Monterrey

[Member #3453]

A trip to MTY serves to profoundly illustrate to one's self, just how void of depravity our otherwise normal existence really is back in the Wasteland.

For that reason, for at least two weeks after having returned to the US, I go through almost a mourning process, a result of realizing the void that exists with respect to the lack of MTY style depravity I am missing by being absent from MTY, and because of the harsh reality of being so cruely isolated within the Gringa-ized environment of the USA.

By the third week of my return, I've been mesmorized sufficiently by the Norte Americano experience, that my lock step, Gringo, existence has seized my psyche once again. I find myself becoming relatively oblivious to what I so vividly realized was so lacking in my life during the two short weeks earlier when I returned home. I suspect that were I to have the discipline to remain gone from MTY for over four weeks, I would likely grow numb to the realities of what I am missing. Such is the life of 98% of the male population in the US. You don't miss what you don't know and have never experienced.

In order to feel "ALIVE," this is why, as WastedG said, we ALL plan our next trips as we are getting on the plane. Monterrey is a drug...make no mistake.


Hmmm. Can't believe no one has anything to say for almost a week! I still cannot wipe the smile off my face after my adventures in Monterrey last week. Thanks everybody for the "attaboys!"

I have one more observation that I would like to make. A couple of the girls I was with last week were willing to do anal. Especially the "prettiest girl" at the MP. I have "assumed" the girls are pretty conservative, but maybe that's because I was too much of a gentleman? Is that a general practice? Or did I just find a couple of "liberals?"

[Ken Tucky]

And I'm an addict! OMG! You guys need to quit this moaning. Just admit it; besides that IS the first step. Going back to the same place and expecting different results is the definition of.... Well, I know the definition of "crazy" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. These B-I-t-C-H-e-S are just a "fix." No matter which one we try to own (i.e. GFE) we will get screwed (in every since of the word). That's the reason I do not try to establish anything long-term. I live for today, because if I think the results will ever be any different in the end, then I am K-W-A-Y-Z!

[Member #3453]

You're precisely right. The results are never quite the same each time we return, and the expecation level is always to achieve at least the same, if not better results, each time. I believe you have stumbled, intelligently of course, onto the source of my many emotional roller coaster experiences in MTY. It is, indeed, much wiser to go with NO expectations, and to let it all happen naturally, and more importantly, to view the girls without any degree of emotional significance.

I am a control freak, and prefer to orchestrate everything according to my premeditated plan, which, after many years of attempting to pull it off, something that I should know better as a result of my many failed "attempts," is simply NOT possible in MTY. I have a great track record pulling it off, but nothing is ever good enough, and for every five attempts at duplicating the perfection that I once may have experienced, there is always one that throws me back.

But, with respect to viewing the girls as just a fix, more or less as meat to the slaughter...well, that is where I have the problem. For the sake of the GFE, I must view them, at least temporarily while on the ground in MTY, with some degree of legitimacy. The wiser perspective is to view them as meat to the slaughter, as just a fix. Unfortunately, for the sake of the GFE, by my assigning them credit where no credit is due, I set myself up for disappointments. They are, afterall, hos...but, of course, they are also "females" first, and sometimes, if one can catch them in an unguarded moment, they stop acting like hos, and project a depth of sincerity that produces the GFE effect. Very complicated process, and dangerous for me, emotionally. I'll be there again this Saturday through the night of 8/31. Come on down and join the fray.


And I'm an addict! OMG! You guys need to quit this moaning. Just admit it; besides that IS the first step. Going back to the same place and expecting different results is the definition of.... Well, I know the definition of "crazy" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. These B-I-t-C-H-e-S are just a "fix." No matter which one we try to own (i.e. GFE) we will get screwed (in every since of the word). That's the reason I do not try to establish anything long-term. I live for today, because if I think the results will ever be any different in the end, then I am K-W-A-Y-Z!

[Austin Hotel]

I will be in MTY on the evening of Sept 5 for a meeting on Sept 6 (and then back home). Usually when I come town I hook up with someone at my hotel. Used an escort service and, funny, two different escort services sent me the same girl. Ah Sofia - nice, but a little chunky and I'd like to try something different.

Can anyone offer suggestions on either a particular girl I could call or a service you're comfortable with.

I very much appreciate the dialogue on the site and thank you in advance for any assistance.

Austin

[MonterreyDude]

that is one of the reasons i do not ever recomend escort services.
anyway austin, check out the links, might help you out... though i do not vouch for them.

http://www.regioscorts.com/

http://www.alondra21.********.com/

www.2muchmodel.com

www.passion.com.mx

http://www.goldengirls.com.mx/main.html?src=%2f

http://www.lasflorecitas.com.mx/

http://www.gratisweb.com/lolitasregias/

www.bombonesdelcontry.com.mx





i will be in mty on the evening of sept 5 for a meeting on sept 6 (and then back home). usually when i come town i hook up with someone at my hotel. used an escort service and, funny, two different escort services sent me the same girl. ah sofia - nice, but a little chunky and i'd like to try something different.

can anyone offer suggestions on either a particular girl i could call or a service you're comfortable with.

i very much appreciate the dialogue on the site and thank you in advance for any assistance.

austin

[Strike 69]

Some other Escort sites:

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/ (pretty girls but expensive)

http://www.2muchmodel.com

http://www.misses.com.mx (This is offers both Incall and Outcall services, they have very pretty girls but also is very expensive)

And some Incalls

http://www.misses.com.mx

http://reducline.8k.com/

http://www.astriddspa.com/

www.pompis.com.mx

Monterrey is called the la ciudad de los Table Dance (The Strip Club City) too bad it doesn't have many options regarding scorts services I hope someday it will be called also one of the best spots for escorting like Mexico City or Montreal (I prefer escorts cuz I a shy guy. I like strip clubs too. But escorts are like ordering a pizza when you are hungry. Right to your room, you eat you get satisfaction and that's it. But in the other hand there's bait and switch and nasty surprises appears sometimes)

[Strike 69]

And please guys I'm beggin all of you. Answer please:

Where can I find a girl like this in MTY? (no matter the cost, no matter if it's in a strip club or massage parlor or escort) :

http://www.clubnikiv.com/

Translation: I'm looking for pretty girls with huge tits who provides full service ( preferently natural tits. D or DD cup will do the job but if there's bigger I will not complain hehe)

Thank you in advance

[Austin Hotel]

Many thanks Carlos and Strike.

From reviewing the site, I feel honored to have received Carlos' input. I must admit that while I'm not shy, the escort arrangement feels much safer to me. But I'm an adventurous guy and would like to try the other stuff, but only if accompanied by a veteran.

Carlos, if you have any interest in showing a novice to MTY the ropes, I'the be much appreciative. Though I don't speak Spanish. Don't know how much of a problem that would be.

I'll need to subscribe in order to communicate directly with you.

Thanks again,

Austin

PS. Funny thing as I reflect, my username and email username, which I adopted back in 2004 is the result of being scammed out of $200 at an Omni Hotel in Austin Texas. Thus Austin Hotel! But to be honest, I learned my lesson and hadn't had any problems in my many, many hotel encounters since.

This is a great site.

[Member #3453]

"other hand there's bait and switch and nasty surprises appears sometimes"

Oh, so true...but, even if you pick them right off the stage, nude as the day they were born, you can sometimes end up with a dudd. Luck of the draw, or a significant amount of interviewing first, either way you just never really know for sure until the moment of truth.


Some other Escort sites:

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/ (pretty girls but expensive)

http://www.2muchmodel.com

http://www.misses.com.mx (This is offers both Incall and Outcall services, they have very pretty girls but also is very expensive)

And some Incalls

http://www.misses.com.mx

http://reducline.8k.com/

http://www.astriddspa.com/

www.pompis.com.mx

Monterrey is called the la ciudad de los Table Dance (The Strip Club City) too bad it doesn't have many options regarding scorts services I hope someday it will be called also one of the best spots for escorting like Mexico City or Montreal (I prefer escorts cuz I a shy guy. I like strip clubs too. But escorts are like ordering a pizza when you are hungry. Right to your room, you eat you get satisfaction and that's it. But in the other hand there's bait and switch and nasty surprises appears sometimes)

[MonterreyDude]

In Monterrey?
No where....



And please guys I'm beggin all of you. Answer please:

Where can I find a girl like this in MTY? (no matter the cost, no matter if it's in a strip club or massage parlor or escort) :

http://www.clubnikiv.com/

Translation: I'm looking for pretty girls with huge tits who provides full service ( preferently natural tits. D or DD cup will do the job but if there's bigger I will not complain hehe)

Thank you in advance

[MonterreyDude]

Austin, I'll be glad to help you out.
Please, when posible, PM so I can answer your questions in a more direct way.
And don't worry about Spanish, you might be new to the scene but you'll manage...




Many thanks Carlos and Strike.

From reviewing the site, I feel honored to have received Carlos' input. I must admit that while I'm not shy, the escort arrangement feels much safer to me. But I'm an adventurous guy and would like to try the other stuff, but only if accompanied by a veteran.

Carlos, if you have any interest in showing a novice to MTY the ropes, I'the be much appreciative. Though I don't speak Spanish. Don't know how much of a problem that would be.

I'll need to subscribe in order to communicate directly with you.

Thanks again,

Austin

PS. Funny thing as I reflect, my username and email username, which I adopted back in 2004 is the result of being scammed out of $200 at an Omni Hotel in Austin Texas. Thus Austin Hotel! But to be honest, I learned my lesson and hadn't had any problems in my many, many hotel encounters since.

This is a great site.

[MonterreyDude]

There are many resons why Monterrey is not the escort capital.
Mainly cause when the business started they were famous for poor delivery and now, they are still famous for that....
There are many escort services, but with so an uneven quality and some with high prices (up to level with USA prices) that people just opt for MPs and SCs.



Some other Escort sites:

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/ (pretty girls but expensive)

http://www.2muchmodel.com

http://www.misses.com.mx (This is offers both Incall and Outcall services, they have very pretty girls but also is very expensive)

And some Incalls

http://www.misses.com.mx

http://reducline.8k.com/

http://www.astriddspa.com/

www.pompis.com.mx

Monterrey is called the la ciudad de los Table Dance (The Strip Club City) too bad it doesn't have many options regarding scorts services I hope someday it will be called also one of the best spots for escorting like Mexico City or Montreal (I prefer escorts cuz I a shy guy. I like strip clubs too. But escorts are like ordering a pizza when you are hungry. Right to your room, you eat you get satisfaction and that's it. But in the other hand there's bait and switch and nasty surprises appears sometimes)

[Member #3453]

i visited el infinito last night, just briefly. they have changed the privados back to the other side of the building again, to the original location on the north side of the building. i guess they made the roof repairs they were needing. my "g" girl said they closed that side because of a leaky roof last time i was in town. i arrived about 7:30-8:00pm, and when i went into the privados with my girl, i noticed that the booths were absolutely filthy, more so than usual, numerous pieces of tp all over the floors of the booths, disgusting...really bad.

i visited givenchy looking for givenchy new girl, hoping that she would want to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me again, but she did not seem to be working. i fully intend to actually bar fine this girl. her attention and interest level approaches my "g" girl, but i sense that givenchy girl does not have quite the sweetness about her that i like. but, givenchy girl does have the depraved desire that i like. i got the impression last time that she doesn't work too often. givenchy was about the same as last time. i saw a girl dancing on the stage when i arrived, one that kind of caught my interest, and one that i ultimately took into the privados. once i arrived in the privados, i realized that i had taken her into the privados before, a very sweet girl. i have this real difficult tendency to forget the girls from one trip to the next unless i really concentrate on them, especially when the girls are married or i have determined that they are not really decent candidates for going on salida.

for some reason, like einstein, (double :d) i put insignificant things out of my mind to concentrate on the more important things. so, once i eliminate them from consideration, i absent mindedly just forget having taken some of these vestal virgins into the privados, only to find out again that they are either married, can't go on salida, have boyfriends, etc...

but, christy did say she would do full service in the private room or the privados, so it might be fun. christy is kind of like a "g" girl substitute, but maybe a little less of a hot body, a little more pouchy look, but still good compared to "g," and certainly a really sweet attitude, like "g." so, i kept her in the privados for three dances just to reacquaint myself with her, and to set up a possible trist in the private room. for her part, it is about 400 pesos for quite a bit of time in the private room. i reported on the cost last time, and i believe it's around 350 pesos to rent the private room.

of course, you will also have to buy her a few drinks for whatever time you are in there. i believe it's a two hour long period that you an spend with them in the private room. frankly, i really like this private room at givenchy because, from my point of view, you can really test drive a girl, almost as though she were back at your hotel, just to determine how she is prior to actually paying to take her on salida, which will typically cost you more than double for the girl's part of the deal, most girls costing around 1000 pesos for two hours at your hotel.

this way, if you have a hunch that she might be good, you can try her out in the private room for about 400 pesos. i feel a little restricted in the private room. i don't have all my props, and there isn't really a bed, only a couch. but, you can get a really good sense of the potential for less than half the price.

if she proves out, then you can get to know her better with a salida later on during other visits. i will definitely visit the private room a few times at givenchy this trip. the selection at givenchy, as far as shear numbers, is certainly better than it ever was in the past. this place has the potential to equal el infinito eventually, imho, and already surpasses matehuela. even the selection seems to be improving.

next, i stopped into tangalay hoping to get a glimpse of precocious one's "s" girl. but, i was pursued by a skagg, and forced to extract myself from the situation. it was very busy in tangalay, and i asked if the skagg girl knew "s" but she played dumb. i finally gave up that endeavor, not wanting to attract any other fea hanger's on, so i decided that po could help me find her later, some other day. i proceeded to walk from tangalay to el cielo at this point in the evening, around 9pm.

it is at this point, while walking to el cielo that i glanced over in the direction of beibies. i have been in this clubs a few times, and decided that i would scope it out with more thoroughness this time, believing that i needed to find a few more viable alternative clubs for additional options.

we are, as a club of guys, running into one another too much by frequenting some of the same clubs. frankly, the selection in el infinito is limited for me due to my loyalty to my "g" girl, but otherwise, my amigos have dibs on a lot of different girls there.

it's just my own psychological hangup, one that i also sense from my amigos for their parts, to avoid the girls of my amigos, unless the girls absolutely throw themselves at me. i just prefer to be in ignorant bliss, knowing full well, of course, what these girls do for a living, but liking it less if they are doing it with the likes of, god forbid, carlos, wastedg, mr. l, round the world, precocious one, and the list keeps growing.

i don't know, maybe i am also starting to feel too constrained, too well known, and just a little bored with frequenting the same clubs. i had started to have this same attitude when i began to frequent pasarelas about 6-8 months ago. now, i am very widely known there, have a lot of options, but even there, i don't really want to wear out my welcome. so, i am actively looking for other options.

anyway, to broaden my options within different clubs is my goal this trip. it may also prove interesting with respect to posting updates on places that may not have been reported on her too much previously. additional details on my initial and brief first experience in beibis can be found in the usb section.

i will return there to finally arrive at an ultimate conclusion, but it seems to have no less potential than some of the other clubs we frequent.

[Member #3453]

After visiting Beibis, I ventured over to El Cielo. I sat for a while, looking for anything with potential. The only girl that I considered was sitting with another girl, unoccupied. She had kind of a "punky" and "grunge" look. She had this piercing right through her lower lip. I don't really remember her name. She was a flaca guera. Anyway, I thought she had a nice smile, and she kept looking in my direction. I have never seen her before, and she later told me she had worked there for a few months.

I finally decided just to leave, and when I walked past her, she gave me a big smile, and I noticed just a sweet twinkle in her eye. I actually walked completely past her, and probably would have just headed to the hotel to make a few phone calls, but the waiter was mopping the floor in the way of my path to the door. The floor was really wet...hazardous really, and I had already walked past "Punky." But, because I was forced to stop on my way to the door, and because I was still thinking about this girl's seemingly sweet and friendly attitude, I decided just to walk back to her and say hello. When I turned around abruptly, I noticed that she had turned completely around in her chair to watch me walk out of the club. When our eyes met, I sensed that she might have some potential. I took ahold of her hand and up the stairs we went to the privados.

It turns out that she actually spoke very good English, having worked in San Diego for a while. She spoke pretty good English for a girl that, according to her, had only lived in San Diego for a month. Anyway, the lip ring thing really turns me off, and I would prefer her without it, but attitude is everything, IMHO.

We hit it off really well. But, her initial reaction to my inquiring about her doing salidas was not postive. I just asked her if she does them, and she said no, that she is slow to trust strangers, and that she really prefers to work in the club. I still sense she has potential for future salidas, but this one would take a little work, getting to know her better, etc...but, I think she will go...it's going to take some time and some work. You have to choose your battles, and I decided that this one would have to wait. I held her to three privados, and promised to return later to see her.

I proceeded to the hotel to freshen up. I decided to head over to Pasarelas around 11:15pm. Stay tuned....

[Member #3453]

I arrived at Pasarelas, and inadvertently took a seat, it turns out, next to Cindy #1. She was occupied with another dude, and she would peak around the guy to see what I was up to, acknowledging me, waiving covertly behind the guy's back a little bit. I noticed that she appeared that she would be tied up a while with this dude.

Anyway, what really is of strategic value is what happened next. The waiter had ventured off the find me an acceptable delgada. Anyway, guess whom he returns with?

None other than WastedG's "X" girl of El Infinito fame. WastedG's "X" girl has been away from the club scene for about a month, and no longer works at El Infinito. Actually, I believe she has not been working for a month, and I believe now, in retrospect, that she told me she just started that night.

I sometimes get the details of what they tell me mixed up, or I simply can't hear what they're saying with all the loud music and noise in the clubs, and because they are speaking rapid fire Spanish. But, I believe she told me that she just started that night, and that she had not worked for a month.

What was of significant value with respect to my influencing circumstances with Cindy #1 is that when "X" saw me, she almost screamed my name, and embraced me on the couch, exhibiting what appeared to be a very familiar and significantly sincere affection for me.

Now, to understand the meaning of this embrace, you would have to realize that she was embracing me as an amigo to WastedG, strictly as a friend. But, to the unfamiliar and suspicious eye, she appeared to be one of my best girls. Cindy #1 had to be thinking, "does USB know every frickin' young, HOT girl in MTY." Anyway, I hope that "X's" totally innocent display had a good strategic effect on Cindy #1 as being more than it really was.

This same display by "X" was also witnessed by New Pasarelas girl. I have been really undecided about new Pasarelas girl after my last trip because she just didn't make me feel that she was a decent candidate for salidas. But, last night, while she was sitting with another dude, she made a lot of attempts to get me to stay, jesturing to me that she would only be tied up a few more moments, seemingly wanting me to please stand by for her to break free.

I waited a while, but got bored waiting. I decided that by leaving, it would probably have even a better effect for Sunday night, or possibly a weeknight, preferably a rainy one. I think this girl will go on salida, and I think she's going through the decision process. Once the girls go on salida once, they are into the abis and rarely return to their comparatively tame club existence.

So, I expect that once she finally goes, if she hasn't already, the flood gates will have opened for my opportunity to take her on salida. And, if I'm lucky, she might decide that I will be her first. That's happened a number of times to me, and it's always really fun because the girls go into it with some initial fear and concern, only to realize that it sure as hell beats a night working in the bar. That's usually when the flood gates open wide, and they are salida material for all to follow.

With it being Saturday night, Cindy #1 doesn't typically have to worry about being patronized. She is a popular girl. But, on weeknights, and especially rainy week nights, she will be highly motivated to make sure she keeps me interested, which is always fun. The same can be said of New Pasarelas girl. That's why WastedG's "X" girl showing up could not have been more timely for my other interests in the club.

With other girls competing for your attention in full view of the other, it many times proves to be a great catalyst to future sessions with them, the jealous. They just feel they have to work harder to keep you as a client. I realize that flies in the face of my strategy with my "G" girl, but "G" girl IS having to work for my attentions more lately, just differently than my creating jealousies that motivate her. I am faithful to my "G" girl in her bar, and I intend to continue along that same strategic line.

While I was at Pasarelas, I was told that my "X" girl, not to be confused with WastedG's "X" girl, no longer worked at Pasarelas, and that she had moved over to Harem. So, after becoming bored waiting for New Pasarelas Girl to break free of her dude, I decided to head over to Harem to see if I could find my "X" girl. I waited about a half hour for my "X" girl to get done in the privados. She finally came down, and we sat for a while. I thought she drank her drink a little too fast for my liking, so I dismissed her, nicely of course, saying I was tired and needed to go to the hotel to sleep. I told her I would return Sunday night to see her again. She is going to have to learn that drinking too fast is NOT the best strategy to keep me interested.

While in Pasarelas, I also saw a girl, WastedG's flame from yesteryear, his "D" girl. She was very sweet to me, and seemingly trying to cultivate me as a future client, constantly eying me, smiling profusely as she sat with another dude, seemingly taking interest in me. She got the last of the galletas that night. There was barely a half a cookie left, and she was savoring it like she had not eaten in a week. Her body, by the way, was HOT, HOT, HOT. She, of course, came over and paid all kinds of attention to me, asked about WastedG, etc....But, as WastedG has reported, she is probably not the best choice for GFE or tranquil experiences, verdad?

Anway, Sunday is another day....stay tuned. I'm optomistic.

[MonterreyDude]

There is one thing USB that needs to be pointed out again... we had that chat last time you were here.
Has to do with your Cindy #1....

From your point of view, you want nothing with Cindy #1, yet you see her, you talk to her, you buy her drinks, want a salida with her...
What do you think is on her mind???
Please answer me that.

If you insist on dealing with her in front of the rest of the girls, what do you think they are thinking???

If you get a girl and then jump back to Cindy #1... don't you think she won't brag her seniority with you and rub it to the girls???

From your posts, I think she still thinks she is USB's senior girl.

Iam begining to believe that is why the Pasarelas A girl is not hooking with you.





I arrived at Pasarelas, and inadvertently took a seat, it turns out, next to Cindy #1. She was occupied with another dude, and she would peak around the guy to see what I was up to, acknowledging me, waiving covertly behind the guy's back a little bit. I noticed that she appeared that she would be tied up a while with this dude.

Anyway, what really is of strategic value is what happened next. The waiter had ventured off the find me an acceptable delgada. Anyway, guess whom he returns with?

None other than WastedG's "X" girl of El Infinito fame. WastedG's "X" girl has been away from the club scene for about a month, and no longer works at El Infinito. Actually, I believe she has not been working for a month, and I believe now, in retrospect, that she told me she just started that night.

I sometimes get the details of what they tell me mixed up, or I simply can't hear what they're saying with all the loud music and noise in the clubs, and because they are speaking rapid fire Spanish. But, I believe she told me that she just started that night, and that she had not worked for a month.

What was of significant value with respect to my influencing circumstances with Cindy #1 is that when "X" saw me, she almost screamed my name, and embraced me on the couch, exhibiting what appeared to be a very familiar and significantly sincere affection for me.

Now, to understand the meaning of this embrace, you would have to realize that she was embracing me as an amigo to WastedG, strictly as a friend. But, to the unfamiliar and suspicious eye, she appeared to be one of my best girls. Cindy #1 had to be thinking, "does USB know every frickin' young, HOT girl in MTY." Anyway, I hope that "X's" totally innocent display had a good strategic effect on Cindy #1 as being more than it really was.

This same display by "X" was also witnessed by New Pasarelas girl. I have been really undecided about new Pasarelas girl after my last trip because she just didn't make me feel that she was a decent candidate for salidas. But, last night, while she was sitting with another dude, she made a lot of attempts to get me to stay, jesturing to me that she would only be tied up a few more moments, seemingly wanting me to please stand by for her to break free.

I waited a while, but got bored waiting. I decided that by leaving, it would probably have even a better effect for Sunday night, or possibly a weeknight, preferably a rainy one. I think this girl will go on salida, and I think she's going through the decision process. Once the girls go on salida once, they are into the abis and rarely return to their comparatively tame club existence.

So, I expect that once she finally goes, if she hasn't already, the flood gates will have opened for my opportunity to take her on salida. And, if I'm lucky, she might decide that I will be her first. That's happened a number of times to me, and it's always really fun because the girls go into it with some initial fear and concern, only to realize that it sure as hell beats a night working in the bar. That's usually when the flood gates open wide, and they are salida material for all to follow.

With it being Saturday night, Cindy #1 doesn't typically have to worry about being patronized. She is a popular girl. But, on weeknights, and especially rainy week nights, she will be highly motivated to make sure she keeps me interested, which is always fun. The same can be said of New Pasarelas girl. That's why WastedG's "X" girl showing up could not have been more timely for my other interests in the club.

With other girls competing for your attention in full view of the other, it many times proves to be a great catalyst to future sessions with them, the jealous. They just feel they have to work harder to keep you as a client. I realize that flies in the face of my strategy with my "G" girl, but "G" girl IS having to work for my attentions more lately, just differently than my creating jealousies that motivate her. I am faithful to my "G" girl in her bar, and I intend to continue along that same strategic line.

While I was at Pasarelas, I was told that my "X" girl, not to be confused with WastedG's "X" girl, no longer worked at Pasarelas, and that she had moved over to Harem. So, after becoming bored waiting for New Pasarelas Girl to break free of her dude, I decided to head over to Harem to see if I could find my "X" girl. I waited about a half hour for my "X" girl to get done in the privados. She finally came down, and we sat for a while. I thought she drank her drink a little too fast for my liking, so I dismissed her, nicely of course, saying I was tired and needed to go to the hotel to sleep. I told her I would return Sunday night to see her again. She is going to have to learn that drinking too fast is NOT the best strategy to keep me interested.

While in Pasarelas, I also saw a girl, WastedG's flame from yesteryear, his "D" girl. She was very sweet to me, and seemingly trying to cultivate me as a future client, constantly eying me, smiling profusely as she sat with another dude, seemingly taking interest in me. She got the last of the galletas that night. There was barely a half a cookie left, and she was savoring it like she had not eaten in a week. Her body, by the way, was HOT, HOT, HOT. She, of course, came over and paid all kinds of attention to me, asked about WastedG, etc....But, as WastedG has reported, she is probably not the best choice for GFE or tranquil experiences, verdad?

Anway, Sunday is another day....stay tuned. I'm optomistic.

[Member #3453]

No, I actually do expect certain things from Cindy #1, if she wants to maintain her position at all. She knows that now. Because, for the last several trips, up until I bar fined her again this last time, she was losing ground and she could really feel it.

And, yes, she does have seniority. As I said before, especially after this last time I bar fined her last month, she could not have acted any better than she did with me on salida this last time. We get along quite well. She is delivering what I like to maintain her position. She knows exactly what I like and she knows to deliver it or suffer the boycott in the club.

As for the "A" girl, it is I that have not asked her out on salida. Ask Precocious One. The "A" girl will go on salida with me, but I do not think she will be worth the effort at bar fining her. I think she's too young and sassy. So, it's not really a matter of my wanting her and not getting her. It's the other way around. Besides, she is quite possibly not working there anymore. Nobody has seen her for two weeks. But, I expect she will probably be back.

As for my "X" girl that now works in Harem, by having all these girls in the mix as competition, I believe it has made her less competitive for my attentions. So, you see, depending on the indivdiual girl, and the overall dynamic of the individual personalities in the bar amongst the bar girls themselves, that is what dictates strategy, and it's also what makes strategy complicated.

There is no right or wrong answer because the individual personality component plays such a huge roll in the overall dynamic. I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm saying that I think the strategy is making more girls available to me than before in Pasarelas...by playing the Cabrone, just as you guys are suggesting I do, I have access to many more than I believe I would have otherwise had access to had I stuck only to Cindy #1 and made a loyalty commitment. Or...are you trying to tell me I should give Cindy #1 the exclusivity that I afford to my "G" girl? I think not. She does not deserve it, but she is fast approaching that distinction if her performance on salida continues along the same vain. Get it?

With regard to NEW Pasarelas girl, the jury is still out on her. She is seemingly jumping into the Cabronish competition with both feet. I have yet to assess whether her decision to go on salida is being influenced by my giving her the cold shoulder in the bar, thereby also cutting her off from drink buying as a result of giving me the vestal virgin treatment. Frankly, I think I am turning her around, but I am in a different place with her versus Cindy #1, my "X' girl (Harem), and the "A" girl. Now, with WastedG's "X" girl jumping into the mix, upsetting the apple cart completely, I have yet to determine the effects of that little display of hers last night. It should be fun :D


There is one thing USB that needs to be pointed out again... we had that chat last time you were here.
Has to do with your Cindy #1....

From your point of view, you want nothing with Cindy #1, yet you see her, you talk to her, you buy her drinks, want a salida with her...
What do you think is on her mind???
Please answer me that.

If you insist on dealing with her in front of the rest of the girls, what do you think they are thinking???

If you get a girl and then jump back to Cindy #1... don't you think she won't brag her seniority with you and rub it to the girls???

From your posts, I think she still thinks she is USB's senior girl.

Iam begining to believe that is why the Pasarelas A girl is not hooking with you.

[Precocious One]

No, I actually do expect certain things from Cindy #1, if she wants to maintain her position at all. She knows that now. Because, for the last several trips, up until I bar fined her again this last time, she was losing ground and she could really feel it.

And, yes, she does have seniority. As I said before, especially after this last time I bar fined her last month, she could not have acted any better than she did with me on salida this last time. We get along quite well. She is delivering what I like to maintain her position. She knows exactly what I like and she knows to deliver it or suffer the boycott in the club.

As for the "A" girl, it is I that have not asked her out on salida. Ask Precocious One. The "A" girl will go on salida with me, but I do not think she will be worth the effort at bar fining her. I think she's too young and sassy. So, it's not really a matter of my wanting her and not getting her. It's the other way around. Besides, she is quite possibly not working there anymore. Nobody has seen her for two weeks. But, I expect she will probably be back.

As for my "X" girl that now works in Harem, by having all these girls in the mix as competition, I believe it has made her less competitive for my attentions. So, you see, depending on the indivdiual girl, and the overall dynamic of the individual personalities in the bar amongst the bar girls themselves, that is what dictates strategy, and it's also what makes strategy complicated.

There is no right or wrong answer because the individual personality component plays such a huge roll in the overall dynamic. I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm saying that I think the strategy is making more girls available to me than before in Pasarelas...by playing the Cabrone, just as you guys are suggesting I do, I have access to many more than I believe I would have otherwise had access to had I stuck only to Cindy #1 and made a loyalty commitment. Or...are you trying to tell me I should give Cindy #1 the exclusivity that I afford to my "G" girl? I think not. She does not deserve it, but she is fast approaching that distinction if her performance on salida continues along the same vain. Get it?

With regard to NEW Pasarelas girl, the jury is still out on her. She is seemingly jumping into the Cabronish competition with both feet. I have yet to assess whether her decision to go on salida is being influenced by my giving her the cold shoulder in the bar, thereby also cutting her off from drink buying as a result of giving me the vestal virgin treatment. Frankly, I think I am turning her around, but I am in a different place with her versus Cindy #1, my "X' girl (Harem), and the "A" girl. Now, with WastedG's "X" girl jumping into the mix, upsetting the apple cart completely, I have yet to determine the effects of that little display of hers last night. It should be fun :D"A" girl will definately go on salida with you. All you need is some little pieces of paper with the pictures of dead presidents on them and you should have no problem. By the way, the Tangalay girl no longer works there. She was transferred to another bar down the street and I forgot the name of it. The owners are the same as Tangalay and they apparantly just took it over. It has been over two weeks since I have last seen her. The reason I know she works there is that three girls at Tangalay that I have never spoken to came up to tell me were she now worked. I actually tipped them for being so nice and helpful.

[MonterreyDude]

Partenon, La Cava, Waikiki, Cascabel, Las Nenas....???

And that's what I've been telling USB... his Pasarelas A girl won't go out with him for a reason... I still vouch Cindy #1 has to do with it.



"A" girl will definately go on salida with you. All you need is some little pieces of paper with the pictures of dead presidents on them and you should have no problem. By the way, the Tangalay girl no longer works there. She was transferred to another bar down the street and I forgot the name of it. The owners are the same as Tangalay and they apparantly just took it over. It has been over two weeks since I have last seen her. The reason I know she works there is that three girls at Tangalay that I have never spoken to came up to tell me were she now worked. I actually tipped them for being so nice and helpful.

[Member #3453]

I made the rounds again last night to the above mentioned clubs. My initial impression was that it was possibly going to be a very dull night. There weren't seemingly many girls to choose from early on when I decided to start making the rounds about 8pm. My "G" girl was off last night, so I took WastedG's "P" girl into the privados to help her out. Things were really slow for the afternoon shift of girls last night. I stuffed her full of cookies and candy, and further established myself with her as my "G" girl's "Gringo Loco." Obviously, with "P" girl being a friend of my "G" girl, there was NO hanky panky. WastedG, your "P" girl is expecting you, and you better be rock hard. I got her all wet for you (NOT!!!)

Realizing that I was wasting my time in El Infinito I decided to venture over to Givenchy. I stayed long enough for one drink, scoped out the girls, but there was really nothing there that caught my fancy.

I then ventured over to Tangalay around 9pm to see if I could finally meet Precocious One's "S" girl. She was sitting against the North wall with some dude, and appeared that she would be occupied for a while. She got up eventually and headed into the back through the curtain, so I assumed that perhaps he and finished with her, so I sent a waiter after her to put me on the waiting list. The waiter eventually brought her over to me, introduced her, and I talked to her just for a moment. She told me that she was tied up for just a few more minutes, and to please wait for her to get free. Well, she sat with the dude for another few minutes, then, when they were done, she was handed off to another dude that was in line ahead of me. I decided that I didn't have the time to wait around, so when the presentation began, I decided I would take one of the older girls off the stage, one that has always pursued me relentlessly. I took her into the privados, and talked to her a while, molesting her appropriately for a while. She kept pushing me to purchase a BJ or FS, but I told her I didn't like the service in the privados, and that I generally preferred salidas. She was really pushing me to spend money on her, showing me her empty little fecha purse.

As I mentioned, it was pretty slow in the clubs last night. There were ominous rain clouds about the time I was in Tangalay, and you could see that the girls were going to be enduring a slow night, especially if the rains did actually come...and boy, did they...about 11pm. So, last night was a good night to find a bargain.

Anyway, back to Tangalay relic...She told me she was 32 years old. But, for a girl that age, she had a pretty decent body. I decided that she might be a good salida if the price were right, so I started negotiating. She told me she would go with me, stay for four hours, and that I would have to pay 800 pesos. She just kep telling me that she needed the money for her son's school, and showing me her empty purse. I had some apprehension about actually bar fining her, so I told her I would call her the next day so she could come to my hotel. That way, I told her, I wouldn't also have to pay the salida to the bar. She agreed, made sure her number was punched into my cell phone, and we exited the privados.

Next, I decided to go over to Pasarelas where I found my new "B" girl. She was pretty good, lying with me prone across the couch, allowing me to grope and fondle her endlessly. I think she enjoyed it because she stayed like that for a long time. We were probably sitting together for an hour, and I bought her one drink. I broached the subject of salidas, but didn't push, not really being even so sure that I wanted to pay for one that night, not quite yet.

So, with respect to whether she will decide to go, well, it still remains to be seen. If I pull out all the stops and start to patronize her more with Jarras (pitchers at 250 pesos each), she might see the merit in finally making the decision.

Cindy #1 came on the scene after I was already sitting with my "B" girl, and I promised to sit with her next when "B" went to the bathroom. But, Cindy #1 got occupied with another dude, seemed content, seemed like she was getting plenty of drinks being bought for her. Anyway, I decided again that I don't particularly like waiting, so I bolted, motioning goodbye to Cindy #1, and mouthing to her "manana, ok?"

The highlight of the night is when I returned to Givenchy after finishing up at Pasarelas. I was determined to try to find something on the night shift at one of the bars somewhere. I figured that by being in the bars around 8pm, that I had possibly overlooked some of the available inventory that would have been arriving around that same time, and that some of the night shift girls might still be in their dressing rooms getting ready when I was visiting around 8-9pm.

I found several decent girls at Givenchy. I have to say that Givenchy has shown me some of the best potential lately. It seems to have at least two or three girls that are eligible for selection whenever I arrive, so that's not too bad for a relatively small bar, with a comparatively sparse selection compared to El Infinito. My night concluded with my bar fining a girl from Givenchy, and I was pleased to eventually realize that my fun was just beginning. Stay tuned...

[Member #3453]

when i revisited givenchy about 12:30pm, i saw at least four girls that were eligible contestants for salida action. the one that i finally selected was in the dance que, and was up on stage pretty soon after i sat down. i intially noticed two or three girls sitting on the couch, one sprawled asleep, and the other two just talking between themselves and eyeing me occassionally.

i first noticed the object of my desires standing back behind where the girls were sitting on the couch, she talking to one of the managers. i didn't know if she was occupied or what, but she definitely was hot. i could see the outline of her body, and that she had a cute face.

she would eventually walk toward the stage. she was just apparently waiting her turn in the que and was up next to dance. she danced well, and i got a little bit of a better view of her potential as she danced on stage, and especially when the clothes came off. she had some very nice boobs, au natural of course, but perfect size and a really sexy shape.

so, she did her dance, and during the process, which lasted three or four songs, i told the waiter that i wanted to talk to her when she was done. the waiter dutifully brought her to me when she was finish dancing.

she attracted me because she has a hot body, and a pretty damned cute face. she reminds me in the face of my "marcella girl," originally of harem fame. you remember marcella gril carlos, she eventually working for a short time at obsession after leaving el cielo and tangala after leaving harem.

anyway, as she approached me with the waiter, and i smiled at her, she blurted out my name, and smiled really big, and said, "i know you." i have to say, i have seen sooooo many girls in mty that many times they are a blurr, especially back in the day when i was more active, sometimes seeing two or three girls in one day. this one in particular remembered me, but i had forgotten her completely. she has the body type i like, delgada, but with some really wicked curves, beautiful boobs, and a very cute face, including a really cute smile. she also has a roxanna kind of personality. she is very close to roxanna of el infinito fame, but new givenchy girl has natural breasts.

i asked her where she knew me from...she told me that i used to see her in don gume. i remember visiting her at don gume, but i do not remember having ever bar fined her...it was a complete blank. but, when i pressed her for details, she told me that i had taken her to the best western on madero at galeana about three years ago. she distinctly remembered me. i believe she may have told me that i bar fined her from pasarelas, which would have made more sense because i don't recall bar fining anyone from don gume.

now, listen, i do not drink. so, i can't blame such a poor memory on having excessive booze at the time. anyway, she further explains that she is also the sister of gina, a girl i also bar fined from pasarelas. i have not seen gina in ages. my new givenchy girl, i will call her "t" girl, then told me gina had not worked in the business for a long time, that she became pregnant, and has children now.

i really liked "t" girl's personality. she is very fun loving...a roxanna substitute. so, i decided to bar fine her. she held me to a hard bargain, 1500 pesos, and i didn't argue. i decided i would bar fine her this time, prove myself once again, and maybe beat her down on price on subsequent visits.

i also decided to pay the double bar fine, which amounted to 500 pesos. so, all in all, for a four hour romp with "t" girl, it cost me $200. that's kind of pricey, even for me to agree to. i like to hold the girls to 1000 pesos. but, i just had to talk to her more, and possibly cultivate another good alternative girl.

when we finally got back to the hotel, we listened to some music, surfed the internet looking for some information on a disease that her prima has. all of these girls have relatives with exotic diseases, and when they see my laptop, they are quick to begin their research on every relative's exotic disease. i feel like dr. usb, and they are in my room for an office visit...ok, i am their gynocologist then. but, i find that this interaction time, the time during which i just talk to them, get to know them, play around, joke around, etc...are times that serve me well in the final analysis, and this was no exception.

anyway, we finally ended up in bed. now, initially, during maybe the first twenty minutes, i started to think that this girl was just going to be a fish. she was kind of non-responsive, and just a little too passive in bed, certainly more so than i am used to, and more than i prefer. i still think that might be her worst detractor, that she is not one to initiate things...the male has to take the lead with her. whereas, with some other girls, they take the lead, and you better get with the program because they are literally [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) you otherwise. but, "t" girl was simply not this type.

so, after having previously defined my gfe, you all know that she was not really stacking up to even a mediocre rating at first. but, you have to also realize, i am comparing her to the performance i regularly, and with total an complete consistency, experience from my "g" girl. the comparisons to performance are night and day. plus, when one starts to worry about what one is spending, as you feverishly attempt every move known to man to spark the fire, you begin to feel buyer's remorse.

but, after about twenty minutes of foreplay, a little pocket rocket action, i started to see the fish transforming into a bit of a shark. that realization gave me hope, and i continued with my regular regimen of foreplay. eventually, she became pretty hot, lots of sighing, writhing around a little. but, still not quite a girl that i could put into the gfe category. don't misunderstand, she is great company, with a roxanna style personality. so, time spent with her is a lot of fun. but, she does not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you. she has a lot to learn.

when we finally got it together, she kind of transformed into a gfe encounter with respect to her own level of depravity. things concluded with a spark that i was pleased to finally ignite within her. once the inferno did ignite, she was no disappointment. tight???? aye chihuahua!!!! one of the tighest i have ever had the pleasure of...yes, indeedy!!!

she stayed until 4am. so, here you go guys...another alternative added to my range of selection. but, i have to say...why do i rave about my "g" girl so much??? because, as good as "t" girl ended up being, "g" trounces her hands down, no comparison whatsoever.

"t" girl made me promise to call her today. she wants to go to dinner with me to chilis, see me again in the biblical sense, asking me when i have to leave. we are planning for an october wedding :d right after i marry my "g" girl first. we will all live happily ever after...

[El Cabron 007]

Excellent - thanks Bob, I'll make sure I return the favor with your G girl as well. Only difference is, I will not worry about my girl being buddies with yours. I am not limited in my choices and I will not let one girl dictate who I see or do. verdad? (forgot to put a smile .... ;))

3 days and counting ...


so I took WastedG's "P" girl into the privados to help her out. Things were really slow for the afternoon shift of girls last night. I stuffed her full of cookies and candy, and further established myself with her as my "G" girl's "Gringo Loco." Obviously, with "P" girl being a friend of my "G" girl, there was NO hanky panky. WastedG, your "P" girl is expecting you, and you better be rock hard. I got her all wet for you (NOT!!!)

[LiveForToday]

I will be in Monterrey Aug the 30 thru Sept 4, this will be my 4 trip, can anyone give me the adres or web site to the MP on Alameda, and a few more MP in the area?

[Member #3453]

My "G" girl does not dictate...it is my own, self-imposed restraint, tied directly to strategy, and also out of respect for my amigos that I find other options. In addition, I try to be something different than my "G" girl is used to. I have so many options to play on the side, that I simply do not have to risk my interactions with her by by molesting other girls in her same bar.

Because, literally, in MTY there are hundreds of options open to me. I really don't have to molest the girlfriends of my amigos. There are more girls to go around than you could shake a stick at. I realize the girls are there, doing their jobs. But, if I know an amigo feels something for one of theirs, I will only be friends with the girl, and also because I feel that I am something different to my "G" girl, and I enjoy seeing her enjoy that distinction.

By the way, when I was just in Givenchy a few minutes ago, your "X" girl's esposo contacted me out of the blue, seeing me from across the room. I have never formerly met her, and did not know her formerly as such. She knew me this time, for some odd reason, just like my face had been on the ten most wanted list. I remember last month when I had found her working in Givenchy that I thought she was pretty HOT, thin, etc...and I had taken her into the privados. Turns out, it was your "X" girls esposo, but I did not know it at the time. I did not follow all that drama, plus she is a night shift girl, and at the time, I was more involved with my G girl to pay attention to what was going on with the night shift. Her esposo told me that she left Infinito because there was simply too much jealousy between the two girls. I assume X is now at Pasarelas for the same reason.

Anyway, in talking to her tonight, she did not remember going into the privados with me last month, and last month, she had no clue who I was...just another MF to her. I remember thinking that she was pretty HOT, and I even asked her the cost of going on a salida and was quoted 2000 pesos for her part, plus the bar fine. She did not remember talking to me last month.

Somehow, between my one and only prior contact with her and tonight, she is well aware of my identity, and actually sent a waiter over to me to deliver a note from her asking me, "Hi, no has, visto a "X." When the waiter delivered it to me, I gazed over in her direction and she had a big smile on her face and waived hello.

She ditched the dude she was with to come over to say hello to me. She asked me to buy her a drink, which I did, primarily so I could see what was on her mind. I guess I was curious more than anything, that she asked me this question in a note, and that she was asking me about "X."

She directly asked me if YOU were in town. I decided that I would not disclose to her that you were coming in, thinking that it may complicate your efforts at hooking up with "X." So, I told her that you were not in town, and that I did not know anything about anything.

So, you see, while you are molesting my "G" girl behind my back, I am taking consumate care of you, the devoted and sincere friend that I am, verdad?

Here is a further explanation of my reasoning with respect to the exclusivity angle...

I believe that there is a definite kind of pride within their bar. They love having a "loyal" and "faithful" patron. It establishes social status for them within the pecking order of their bar, and to have loyal patrons that seek no others gives them that sociological bar girl pride.

That is what I give her by being faithful to her within her own bar. It has nothing really to do with my being naive about what she does in her job. It is more that I am giving her a gift by wanting to only see her. I am giving her a gift out of my appreciation for her.

If she chooses to do otherwise to me, then it reflects on her, but my own conscience is clear, and my intensions, to give her something in return for her appreciation of me when we are together, is my reason for not seeing others in her same bar. Besides, I have so many other options in the countless other bars...giving her such a gift is easy for me to do, and I see the pride she has from believing that I am devoted to her.

And, the truth is, were I to have the option, I would select her each and every time over all the others. So, my gift to her is based on a legitimate preference to see her over the others that are otherwise available to me in other bars.

:D (I forgot to say that I did not forget to put a smile :D)






Excellent - thanks Bob, I'll make sure I return the favor with your G girl as well. Only difference is, I will not worry about my girl being buddies with yours. I am not limited in my choices and I will not let one girl dictate who I see or do. verdad? (forgot to put a smile .... ;))

3 days and counting ...

[El Cabron 007]

Oh wow Bob, that was awesome. So much packed into a single punch:

1- You confirmed what I knew, or thought I knew, all along. It’s a love triangle between X, me and her she-husband. I am just caught in the middle. How sweet. No wonder. This explains lotta lotta stuff.

2- I’ll tell you a secret. I knew you met this girl before from a previous post of yours. But I did not want to say anything. I was waiting for this exact moment to see what becomes of her. And there it was. Now you know too. Small world, ha?

3- Again, X sneaks out to see me behind her she-husband’s back. I still can not get over it. Why me? I know X loves me. I love her too. But knowing she is risking her so-called marriage life for a moment with me? Priceless.

4- S does the same thing. She has a live in boyfriend and he does not know she does salidas with me. You should see her look both ways before she leaves the club and always insists on getting out of the taxi a block before me. Sneaking out? A hooker afraid of being seen with me yet she services dudes all day long. I still don’t get it. China girl was even worse. She had a scared look on her face when she left my hotel and always refused that I walk her back tot he club.

But as for your G and my P, go for it Bob. Have your way with P. I really do not care. Better my friend than a stranger. Better yet, bar-fine the both of them together. Get a full load of the pleasure you fly tons of miles for. I really do not care. And I know you like her.

As for your G girl, I joked with her last time to take her upstairs. Absolutely not she said. She said I was a friend of Bob and I am not a client. Her and T are the only girls who say no to me while all the others practically beg me for a privado. At least to get some money out of me.

But that was a great report about X and her she-husband. Thank you. Awesome, Bob, awesome.

Wanna hear something worse? Something Carlos would kill me for? Last week on Saturday, X and I were out and she suggested we both go to Givinchy's, seeing that I was able to get her into Infifito and I that got T into Givinchy's before to see her, she wanted me to take her into Givinchy's to make her esposa jealous. That evil grin on her face was priceless. But I knew better to get invloved in such games. Love to but ain't gonna. Right Carlos?

2 days and couting. Now I have real plans for X. Thanks Bob. But Carlos and I have plans for you as well. Get ready for a great ride.

Wasted



By the way, when I was just in Givenchy a few minutes ago, your "X" girl's esposo contacted me out of the blue, seeing me from across the room. I have never formerly met her, and did not know her formerly as such. She knew me this time, for some odd reason, just like my face had been on the ten most wanted list. I remember last month when I had found her working in Givenchy that I thought she was pretty HOT, thin, etc...and I had taken her into the privados. Turns out, it was your "X" girls esposo, but I did not know it at the time. I did not follow all that drama, plus she is a night shift girl, and at the time, I was more involved with my G girl to pay attention to what was going on with the night shift. Her esposo told me that she left Infinito because there was simply too much jealousy between the two girls. I assume X is now at Pasarelas for the same reason.

Anyway, in talking to her tonight, she did not remember going into the privados with me last month, and last month, she had no clue who I was...just another MF to her. I remember thinking that she was pretty HOT, and I even asked her the cost of going on a salida and was quoted 2000 pesos for her part, plus the bar fine. She did not remember talking to me last month.

Somehow, between my one and only prior contact with her and tonight, she is well aware of my identity, and actually sent a waiter over to me to deliver a note from her asking me, "Hi, no has, visto a "X." When the waiter delivered it to me, I gazed over in her direction and she had a big smile on her face and waived hello.

She ditched the dude she was with to come over to say hello to me. She asked me to buy her a drink, which I did, primarily so I could see what was on her mind. I guess I was curious more than anything, that she asked me this question in a note, and that she was asking me about "X."

She directly asked me if YOU were in town. I decided that I would not disclose to her that you were coming in, thinking that it may complicate your efforts at hooking up with "X." So, I told her that you were not in town, and that I did not know anything about anything.

So, you see, while you are molesting my "G" girl behind my back, I am taking consumate care of you, the devoted and sincere friend that I am, verdad?

[MonterreyDude]

Live, what MP on Alameda???
Need more descriptions to identify it... and then again, maybe they don't have a website..





I will be in Monterrey Aug the 30 thru Sept 4, this will be my 4 trip, can anyone give me the adres or web site to the MP on Alameda, and a few more MP in the area?

[MonterreyDude]

Both of you guys USB and Wasted... do not mess with X girls esposa AKA as that girl.
Am not kidding... you see it as laughing matter but I see it as SERIOUS matter.
You partake things as if you are confortably sitting in the US, but you are dabbling in stuff you never take seriously.

Just consider that X's esposo had the nerve to ask USB about X and she specillly asked about Wasted... and either both of you are dumb, but she is starting to add 2+2=5... she is thinking wrong that the answer to finding her and maybe the blame that she is gone befalls on the gringos.

When are both of you going to take the business seriously and treat it with respect, not with contempt???

Let me tell you that in all my years this is the first time I see a ho asking a customer about her girl.. even lesbian lovers.

Please start taking very carefully.

Iam astounded that just for thrill seeking both of you are getting into the mess of a couple splitting, but not an ordinary couple, I mean a lesbian hooker and very disturbed couple.

What part of this do you not understand???

Let me tell you how seriously I see this: If you keep up with this plain, childish, stupidity, Iam not going to let myself be seen with you at either the Infinito nor the Givenchy

Am not kidding....

Iam local... you guys can run away. Not me.






My "G" girl does not dictate...it is my own, self-imposed restraint, tied directly to strategy, and also out of respect for my amigos that I find other options. In addition, I try to be something different than my "G" girl is used to. I have so many options to play on the side, that I simply do not have to risk my interactions with her by by molesting other girls in her same bar.

Because, literally, in MTY there are hundreds of options open to me. I really don't have to molest the girlfriends of my amigos. There are more girls to go around than you could shake a stick at. I realize the girls are there, doing their jobs. But, if I know an amigo feels something for one of theirs, I will only be friends with the girl, and also because I feel that I am something different to my "G" girl, and I enjoy seeing her enjoy that distinction.

By the way, when I was just in Givenchy a few minutes ago, your "X" girl's esposo contacted me out of the blue, seeing me from across the room. I have never formerly met her, and did not know her formerly as such. She knew me this time, for some odd reason, just like my face had been on the ten most wanted list. I remember last month when I had found her working in Givenchy that I thought she was pretty HOT, thin, etc...and I had taken her into the privados. Turns out, it was your "X" girls esposo, but I did not know it at the time. I did not follow all that drama, plus she is a night shift girl, and at the time, I was more involved with my G girl to pay attention to what was going on with the night shift. Her esposo told me that she left Infinito because there was simply too much jealousy between the two girls. I assume X is now at Pasarelas for the same reason.

Anyway, in talking to her tonight, she did not remember going into the privados with me last month, and last month, she had no clue who I was...just another MF to her. I remember thinking that she was pretty HOT, and I even asked her the cost of going on a salida and was quoted 2000 pesos for her part, plus the bar fine. She did not remember talking to me last month.

Somehow, between my one and only prior contact with her and tonight, she is well aware of my identity, and actually sent a waiter over to me to deliver a note from her asking me, "Hi, no has, visto a "X." When the waiter delivered it to me, I gazed over in her direction and she had a big smile on her face and waived hello.

She ditched the dude she was with to come over to say hello to me. She asked me to buy her a drink, which I did, primarily so I could see what was on her mind. I guess I was curious more than anything, that she asked me this question in a note, and that she was asking me about "X."

She directly asked me if YOU were in town. I decided that I would not disclose to her that you were coming in, thinking that it may complicate your efforts at hooking up with "X." So, I told her that you were not in town, and that I did not know anything about anything.

So, you see, while you are molesting my "G" girl behind my back, I am taking consumate care of you, the devoted and sincere friend that I am, verdad?

Here is a further explanation of my reasoning with respect to the exclusivity angle...

I believe that there is a definite kind of pride within their bar. They love having a "loyal" and "faithful" patron. It establishes social status for them within the pecking order of their bar, and to have loyal patrons that seek no others gives them that sociological bar girl pride.

That is what I give her by being faithful to her within her own bar. It has nothing really to do with my being naive about what she does in her job. It is more that I am giving her a gift by wanting to only see her. I am giving her a gift out of my appreciation for her.

If she chooses to do otherwise to me, then it reflects on her, but my own conscience is clear, and my intensions, to give her something in return for her appreciation of me when we are together, is my reason for not seeing others in her same bar. Besides, I have so many other options in the countless other bars...giving her such a gift is easy for me to do, and I see the pride she has from believing that I am devoted to her.

And, the truth is, were I to have the option, I would select her each and every time over all the others. So, my gift to her is based on a legitimate preference to see her over the others that are otherwise available to me in other bars.

:D (I forgot to say that I did not forget to put a smile :D)

[LiveForToday]

If you can give me some address of some MP, up town, I know the Madero area, so I will have an idea were to go. Il be staying in the Padre Meir area?

[El Cabron 007]

Your message can not be any clearer.

It's the thrill of the hunt that gets me in situations like these. And you are correct. I admit I am excited about the idea but if I think with my upper head instead of my lower, I should see things your way.

I do see it as a laughing matter and an experience I can treasure. But will the price be worth the experience? Probably not.

Wasted


Both of you guys USB and Wasted... do not mess with X girls esposa AKA as that girl.
Am not kidding... you see it as laughing matter but I see it as SERIOUS matter.
You partake things as if you are confortably sitting in the US, but you are dabbling in stuff you never take seriously.

Just consider that X's esposo had the nerve to ask USB about X and she specillly asked about Wasted... and either both of you are dumb, but she is starting to add 2+2=5... she is thinking wrong that the answer to finding her and maybe the blame that she is gone befalls on the gringos.

When are both of you going to take the business seriously and treat it with respect, not with contempt???

Let me tell you that in all my years this is the first time I see a ho asking a customer about her girl.. even lesbian lovers.

Please start taking very carefully.

Iam astounded that just for thrill seeking both of you are getting into the mess of a couple splitting, but not an ordinary couple, I mean a lesbian hooker and very disturbed couple.

What part of this do you not understand???

Let me tell you how seriously I see this: If you keep up with this plain, childish, stupidity, Iam not going to let myself be seen with you at either the Infinito nor the Givenchy

Am not kidding....

Iam local... you guys can run away. Not me.

[Member #3453]

Both of you guys USB and Wasted... do not mess with X girls esposa AKA as that girl.

I understand your apprehension at being dragged into the circumstance between X and her esposo, but I would not even conteplate not going to Givenchy and Pasarelas, my two most favorite bars, with my amigos, regardless of the circumstances.

I guess my point here is that if we really are concerned about being in the middle, we would have to avoid those bars all together, because, whether you like it or not, you and I are inextricably linked to WastedG, and his girl, by association.

Keep in mind, when I bought "X"s esposo a drink, I was totally alone, and I did not know who she was. I have stopped buying "X" drinks at Pasarelas, which I have only done one time, and have not done now for two days, and now, knowing whom she is, I will no longer patronize her esposo either at Givenchy.

Those are just two of the plethera of crazy bar girls in these clubs. I agree with you that WastedG needs to consider his options carefully, and that he should consider the potential downside. But, if I were to completely extract myself from the situation, it would mean that I must not only avoid paretaking in the delights of El Infinito for "G" girl reasons, but also avoid Givenchy and Pasarelas for fear that I might be a casualty as an innocent bystander.

I would NEVER consider limiting my brand of activity, partying with my amigos in my three most favorite bars, on account of a couple of nutty bar girls.

One can reach the same conclusions about associating with hos in general, that it is a pass time that has the potential to ultimately ruin us, especially those of us in our respective positions. So, the advice to avoid these kinds of girls, when there are so many of them (crazy) represented in the bars of MTY in general, far more than just "X "and her esposo, is to contemplate retirement from the hobby, verdad?

My take on this is to be cordual to all concerned, not participate in the charade between them, and simply be a bystander in an environment where we expose ourselves continually and routinely to our potential ultimate decline in the long run anyway.

To do otherwise is to also contemplate just staying home...I understand your apprehension due to your living in MTY, but I can't be a jerk to girls that have done nothing to me. I prefer to just play nice, to act dumb around them, and not patronize them...that is my position going forward.

Everyone is always talking about having the "control." That would be the ultimate loss of control if I were to have to avoid congregating in my favorite bars with my amigos on account of a couple of crazy bar girls.

Consider the implications of your position Carlos. That gives them all the control. Your appeal is with WastedG, and it seems that he understands your apprehension. I expect he will seriously consider your position, and contemplate the effect of your apprehensions upon his own strategic plans and activities with his "X" girl.

For my part...I am done with it, but only to the extent that I am not an unknown to them, and neither are you, whether you are alone or with us. They will never believe we are not in continual contact with one another.

[MonterreyDude]

Ok with the "loud and clear".
So to seal our deal, Wasted, I suggest we share the Infinito G-girl between the 2 of us.
I mean, USB is a friend he SHOULD share.

Agree?


Your message can not be any clearer.

It's the thrill of the hunt that gets me in situations like these. And you are correct. I admit I am excited about the idea but if I think with my upper head instead of my lower, I should see things your way.

I do see it as a laughing matter and an experience I can treasure. But will the price be worth the experience? Probably not.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

It is, I suppose, up to "my" G Girl. One thing I have learned...when it comes to true romance, we males are definitely NOT in control, no matter if we might think we are in control, or try to be. It is the law of nature...

Funny thing was, when I was in the privados with her on Saturday, she brought the subject of her silicone boobs up, saying they are "not too hard," trying to convince me that they are not too hard and firm as I have suggested is my distaste for them in general.

She encouraged me then and there to road test them again so she could convince me that I might like them now that she "told" me they are not too hard, as if telling me would change everthing, and that I would be convinced if I just fondled them one more time. Actually, exposing me to them more and more is a good strategy on her part.

I have to admit, they are not as hard as some....I guess she is converting me with the shear strength of her charming personality. I love her dearly.

Please....if you know what is good for you both, you will leave my G girl alone or I will sic "X" and her esposo on you by having some clandestined conversations with them in Pasarelas and Givenchy, planting seeds of deceit and discontent. I just want one girl...can't a guy be fiel to his hos??? :D


Ok with the "loud and clear".
So to seal our deal, Wasted, I suggest we share the Infinito G-girl between the 2 of us.
I mean, USB is a friend he SHOULD share.

Agree?

[MonterreyDude]

Live... the Padre Mier area only has the Stauts #1 MP to the West of the main downtown area.. as a matter of fact on Padre Mier St, close to Venustiano Carranza.

You have to go North of Padre Mier to find MPs.
Intenzzo for example, is on Rayon St bordered by Juan Ignacion Rayon and Matamoros.

Misses is on Tapia St. (web site: www.misses.com.mx)

Dunno if you know Signore (www.signore.com.mx)

Or Marcella (www.pompis.com.mx)

But if you know Madero St, that is the place to be for MPs.... there are more on the fringe area of the downtown area, boasting they are better than the rest.
Those are to the West of Diego de Montemayor St.
INcluded are: Romanos, Horoscope, Habana, Deborah's and Status #2



If you can give me some address of some MP, up town, I know the Madero area, so I will have an idea were to go. Il be staying in the Padre Meir area?

[El Cabron 007]

ha ha. You mean we stand in line waiting for her to take us one at a time while Bob watches? Better yet, let's line the girl up and take them all up, play musical chairs with them. Imagine the traffic with P running from m e to Bob, D running from you to me, P G running from Bob to you, Bob running from P to you, you running from .... where were you? ummm .. to Bob. You and Bob together in one booth? Me ending up with all three girls? Is that what you mean?

OK. I'll do it.



Ok with the "loud and clear".
So to seal our deal, Wasted, I suggest we share the Infinito G-girl between the 2 of us.
I mean, USB is a friend he SHOULD share.

Agree?

[MonterreyDude]

Exactly.... good idea, ain't it???



ha ha. You mean we stand in line waiting for her to take us one at a time while Bob watches? Better yet, let's line the girl up and take them all up, play musical chairs with them. Imagine the traffic with P running from m e to Bob, D running from you to me, P G running from Bob to you, Bob running from P to you, you running from .... where were you? ummm .. to Bob. You and Bob together in one booth? Me ending up with all three girls? Is that what you mean?

OK. I'll do it.

[Member #3453]

Exactly.... good idea, ain't it???


I am not worried...After seeing the depth of her passions yesterday and feeling her "commitment" last night, SHE WON'T knowingly do it to me...hahahahahahahahahaha :D

Sure, she has her job...which she loathes to the extent that it's akin to cleaning toilets at Dodger Stadium...but, I also know the depth of responsibility to her mother, her son, and the effects on her from an irresponsible family. She has little choice. She is burdened with the responsibility, having the destinction of being sole provider for others in her family that are either too sick to contribute, too lazy, too irresponsible, or too young.

We hear this stuff articulated from girls all the time. But, I am becoming increasingly convinced that there are some girls doing it out of legitimate need, and some that are doing it because they are simply lazy and rotten girls.

My "G" girl IS an angel locked in her own kind of hell. She routinely criticizes her own behavior, and is visibly depressed at the thought of what she has had to become. She is not the typical ho.

As MJ once suggested, I am seriously considering paying her to get out of the biz. We will see what that entails. But, frankly, when I come to MTY lately, I routinely spend about $1200 on entertainment, entertainment that is nowhere near the satsifaction I get from my G girl. I would gladly give it to her were she to work a regular job and take my supplemental income each month, seeing me for the week I am here. I would take her over any of the pros in the clubs, bar none, and by a really WIDE margain.

[MonterreyDude]

usb says: "as mj once suggested, i am seriously considering paying her to get out of the biz."

this doesn't work at all... it is only a palliative.
it is not only paying her to stop working, she has to learn to save, to administer, to know how banks work.

it is not just doing a one time payment thing, buy her enough time to let her find another job...

and precisely at this moment you are catching her in a crisis you should distance yourslef away from.
and iam not kidding... samething but different as we have been telling wasted.
literally it is none of your business to be involved with a ho up to consider retiring her, nor are you the good samaritan to be helping others without considering the moral and psycological consequences on your person.

you are dealing with a total misunderstood empathy that is making you dizzy.

these are going to be harsh words, but she is in a hole that she can not climb out of unless lots of time and effort are dedicated to do it.

there are other parameters to be taken in consideration... you may want to make her quit of her job so she can do something else.... can she?
she has a speech impediment that will block her.

the most important one: how about the family? it is universal, not limited to hos: you may want to extend the hand of help, but others close to her may want to rip it off just to get to the money.

you are aproaching a decision without really knowing her at all.

on the long run you'll pay too much for too little...




i am not worried...after seeing the depth of her passions yesterday and feeling her "commitment" last night, she won't knowingly do it to me...hahahahahahahahahaha :d

sure, she has her job...which she loathes to the extent that it's akin to cleaning toilets at dodger stadium...but, i also know the depth of responsibility to her mother, her son, and the effects on her from an irresponsible family. she has little choice. she is burdened with the responsibility, having the destinction of being sole provider for others in her family that are either too sick to contribute, too lazy, too irresponsible, or too young.

we hear this stuff articulated from girls all the time. but, i am becoming increasingly convinced that there are some girls doing it out of legitimate need, and some that are doing it because they are simply lazy and rotten girls.

my "g" girl is an angel locked in her own kind of hell. she routinely criticizes her own behavior, and is visibly depressed at the thought of what she has had to become. she is not the typical ho.

as mj once suggested, i am seriously considering paying her to get out of the biz. we will see what that entails. but, frankly, when i come to mty lately, i routinely spend about $1200 on entertainment, entertainment that is nowhere near the satsifaction i get from my g girl. i would gladly give it to her were she to work a regular job and take my supplemental income each month, seeing me for the week i am here. i would take her over any of the pros in the clubs, bar none, and by a really wide margain.

[Precocious One]

I am not worried...After seeing the depth of her passions yesterday and feeling her "commitment" last night, SHE WON'T knowingly do it to me...hahahahahahahahahaha :D

Sure, she has her job...which she loathes to the extent that it's akin to cleaning toilets at Dodger Stadium...but, I also know the depth of responsibility to her mother, her son, and the effects on her from an irresponsible family. She has little choice. She is burdened with the responsibility, having the destinction of being sole provider for others in her family that are either too sick to contribute, too lazy, too irresponsible, or too young.

We hear this stuff articulated from girls all the time. But, I am becoming increasingly convinced that there are some girls doing it out of legitimate need, and some that are doing it because they are simply lazy and rotten girls.

My "G" girl IS an angel locked in her own kind of hell. She routinely criticizes her own behavior, and is visibly depressed at the thought of what she has had to become. She is not the typical ho.

As MJ once suggested, I am seriously considering paying her to get out of the biz. We will see what that entails. But, frankly, when I come to MTY lately, I routinely spend about $1200 on entertainment, entertainment that is nowhere near the satsifaction I get from my G girl. I would gladly give it to her were she to work a regular job and take my supplemental income each month, seeing me for the week I am here. I would take her over any of the pros in the clubs, bar none, and by a really WIDE margain."I routinely spend about $1200 on entertainment,"

I am averaging about $125/week on my non-pro GF. Last weekend, we took a little trip to Reynosa and McAllen TX. With shopping, food, lodging, gas and entertainment, I spent about $175 on her for a three-day period. With the amount of time you spend here (once a month for a one week period) coupled with your incessant desire and infatuation for GFE, you should try to find a non-pro. I am 100 percent positive that you can pull it off.

As for Reynosa, I highly-recommend a bar called Tico's Sports Bar. It is a couple blocks from Sierra Madre Brewing Company. Seven pool tables, security, reasonable drink prices, good hospitality and some non-pro action. Although I was the only gringo in the place, none of the other patrons seemed to mind that I was dating one of their nationals.

The bar also carries all the PPV fights. Fuc_ing Randy Couture is the man. He's like 44-years-old and just participated in one of the greatest UFC fights ever. Forty-fuc_ing-four years-old? Apparantly, he even had his arm broken by a Gonzanga high kick before KO'ing him by GNP.

[Member #3453]

usb says: "as mj once suggested, i am seriously considering paying her to get out of the biz."

this doesn't work at all... it is only a palliative.

of course, you are correct in your conclusions. i, of course, realize all those things. and, of course, when i broached the subject with her, pressing her on coming up with a number, she couldn't do it, not wanting to make commitments that i think she already knows she can not fulfill to me.

she claims that after we became serious, she no longer went on salidas, almost a year ago she claims. she has been on one with four hombres, all of which she named specifically, all of which i know, myself included in the four. i appreciate that about her, that if she is to be believed, she has ceased that activity for my benefit and at my request.

it is entirely another matter for a girl who makes obscene amounts of money compared to her peers to stop working in the clubs, money she needs for things that are astronomically expensive in the comparison to the expenditures of average mexicanos, medical things, drugs for her mother, support of her entire family, etc....

i, of course, realize all those things. but, it is true, i feel in my soul that she is worthy of rescue. oh, what the hell...i am just going to leave everything status quo. in the light of full intelligent, unemotional, contemplation, we all know that nothing will probably change...and as you said, in light of my personal circumstances, it can't and shouldn't. it is merely a palliative whim, correcto.

i am a softy at heart...you know it. you should have seen me in the pi. i sent my bar fine back home after she cried about being stuck in ac away from her family, not wanting to do that kind of work, etc...she was a total sweetheard, charmed me beyond belief.

but, honestly, to experience the joy on that girl's face, and the excitement in her voice, telling her family by cell phone that she was returning to the southern remote part of the pi, a dream that she just could not believe was possible. it was quite special. even the "hard and fast" infamous porker was touched in our collective van ride to the airport in manila when we all simulataneously departed the pi the same day. according to porker, she has never turned up back in the ac after i sent her home. she is probably starving on some god forsaken remote island near general santos province, about the furthest, most remote, god foresaken place you could live in the pi.

there, i saved at least one sweety from her dreaded fate, verdad? or did i? for the ones that want to be there, i don't care too much about them. but, for ones that it seems to bother, it touches me deeply inside. awwwwwww....at that sweet! :d

[MonterreyDude]

your reference to your adventure in pi exactly touches the point.

you just don't know what really happened, do you? you can only suppose.

and again, as i told the good wasted, you are getting into things that go way beyond your comprehension because you can only suppose what their life is, extrapolate a lot and end in knowing nothing.

i don't believe will ever understand what they go thru unless we are in their shoes, getting picked by an unknown stranger and getting paid money for blowing a penis.

get it?
you can only imagine... truth defies any explanation.

again, what i told wasted on his x girl... stay away and don't get involved.

have fun, but just don't get involved.



of course, you are correct in your conclusions. i, of course, realize all those things. and, of course, when i broached the subject with her, pressing her on coming up with a number, she couldn't do it, not wanting to make commitments that i think she already knows she can not fulfill to me.

she claims that after we became serious, she no longer went on salidas, almost a year ago she claims. she has been on one with four hombres, all of which she named specifically, all of which i know, myself included in the four. i appreciate that about her, that if she is to be believed, she has ceased that activity for my benefit and at my request.

it is entirely another matter for a girl who makes obscene amounts of money compared to her peers to stop working in the clubs, money she needs for things that are astronomically expensive in the comparison to the expenditures of average mexicanos, medical things, drugs for her mother, support of her entire family, etc....

i, of course, realize all those things. but, it is true, i feel in my soul that she is worthy of rescue. oh, what the hell...i am just going to leave everything status quo. in the light of full intelligent, unemotional, contemplation, we all know that nothing will probably change...and as you said, in light of my personal circumstances, it can't and shouldn't. it is merely a palliative whim, correcto.

i am a softy at heart...you know it. you should have seen me in the pi. i sent my bar fine back home after she cried about being stuck in ac away from her family, not wanting to do that kind of work, etc...she was a total sweetheard, charmed me beyond belief.

but, honestly, to experience the joy on that girl's face, and the excitement in her voice, telling her family by cell phone that she was returning to the southern remote part of the pi, a dream that she just could not believe was possible. it was quite special. even the "hard and fast" infamous porker was touched in our collective van ride to the airport in manila when we all simulataneously departed the pi the same day. according to porker, she has never turned up back in the ac after i sent her home. she is probably starving on some god forsaken remote island near general santos province, about the furthest, most remote, god foresaken place you could live in the pi.

there, i saved at least one sweety from her dreaded fate, verdad? or did i? for the ones that want to be there, i don't care too much about them. but, for ones that it seems to bother, it touches me deeply inside. awwwwwww....at that sweet! :d

[Member #3453]

You are right, philosophically, of course. But, I do not judge her because I am no better than she is. I am worse. She is doing what she does out of a need to make a decent living, primarily for the benefit of her family members, whether we decide she has a legitimate need or not, or whether society decides she is the lowest of the low for making her kinds of choices or not...In that, you are correct. We really can't know the depth of her despair for choosing to suck strange to support her family.

I have been fucking literally hundreds of girls for my own pleasure and enjoyment, all of them unknown pussies.

I suppose we can all fool ourselves that our's are legitimate needs too, but they don't come close to the need associated with one's subsistence, and certainly not with respect to her sacrifice, if indeed she is as responsible for the well being of others in her family as I believe she is.

Besides, I do not see her arriving at work in a BMW like the hos in the US do. I don't see one ounce of greed in her, none for she choosing to do what she does, and none with me in our interactions. Fact is, were we to actually look in the mirror together, I suspect that my comparison with her would not neccesarily fare any better in the eyes of a benevolent God.

And, the fact that I can not really imagine her having to endure the extent of her work environment is exactly the source of my empathy for her. I see a virtue in her personality that transcends her assignment by society as a ho, and I sense a sacrifice in her, not an opportunistic or mercenary component to her personality.

I am way beyond not being "involved" anyway. Although, your's is exactly the advice I have been known to spout as well. The advice is sound. But, once your "involved," you're "involved."

I can't just turn my back on her, or discount her merely on account of her choices so far in life. Even if she is sometimes disengenous for her own selfish reasons, which I doubt, I still care about her, just as I care for all my friends. I will not treat her badly by ignoring her attributes, ones that hugely transcend her detractors, or imagine that I am somehow better than she is. I am not.

I am now wearing my body armor...let the Skittle Gauntlet begin :D

For the sake of the ISG community, and the sensitivities of "Regular" Members, I offer to continue this discussion in the USB section where it belongs.

By the way, at the rate of growth, the USB section will surpass the Monterrey section in very short order. It is currently growing at a rate of 10:1 according to the number of posts in the same amount of ammortized time, it will contain more posts in less than one year, than the MTY section has amassed in five years.


Your reference to your adventure in PI exactly touches the point.

You just don't know what really happened, do you? you can only suppose.

And again, as I told the good Wasted, you are getting into things that go way beyond your comprehension because you can only suppose what their life is, extrapolate a lot and end in knowing nothing.

I don't believe will ever understand what they go thru unless we are in their shoes, getting picked by an unknown stranger and getting paid money for blowing a penis.

Get it?
You can only imagine... truth defies any explanation.

Again, what I told Wasted on his X girl... stay away and don't get involved.

Have fun, but just don't get involved.

[Strike 69]

Where can I find girls GFE or PSE with this caliber of tits in Mty (as you can see I love women with HUGE tits) and if they are natural then so much better :

http://www.donita-dunes.net/big_tit...a_Stylez_16.jpg

http://www.babes-direct.com/trina/688_1f.jpg

http://photos.freeones.com/v_variou...photo_009.shtml

Please guys, money is not an issue (neither Spanish) so please any information regarding "chichonas" who provides good services is much apprecieted

[MonterreyDude]

Will this do???

http://www.sensualrubi.com/

I think this IS what you are looking for Strike....



Where can I find girls GFE or PSE with this caliber of tits in Mty (as you can see I love women with HUGE tits) and if they are natural then so much better :

http://www.donita-dunes.net/big_tit...a_Stylez_16.jpg

http://www.babes-direct.com/trina/688_1f.jpg

http://photos.freeones.com/v_variou...photo_009.shtml

Please guys, money is not an issue (neither Spanish) so please any information regarding "chichonas" who provides good services is much apprecieted

[Strike 69]

Will this do???

http://www.sensualrubi.com/

I think this IS what you are looking for Strike....


Thanks Carlos ... but this time you are the one with old news.....I already know Rubi (from Mexico city... she has adds in Mexico Baires and Divas) and no..... I like bigger tits than that.... (even tough she provides good service, bbbj, dfk, daty, russian, msog, and anal cost 500 pesos extra ).

I like tits tits this caliber ... up to 100 centimeters minimum (120 cm will be a dream come true) like her:


http://www.mexicobaires.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=82

And in fact that's the body type I like in women... a voluptuos one.. the escort from the ad has it all big tits (100 cm) relative small waist (63 cm) and big hips and ass (100 cm).

You are a "conocedor" Carlos so I'm pretty sure you know one or two girls in clubs that fulfills the chest requiriments hehehe.

[MonterreyDude]

Damn!!!! beaten to it!!!

How about this one Strike????

http://www.lucesazules.com/115734.html

The description does say "busto GRANDE"....

Check Mariana at

http://www.kasandra.com.mx/6501c.html







Thanks Carlos ... but this time you are the one with old news.....I already know Rubi (from Mexico city... she has adds in Mexico Baires and Divas) and no..... I like bigger tits than that.... (even tough she provides good service, bbbj, dfk, daty, russian, msog, and anal cost 500 pesos extra ).

I like tits tits this caliber ... up to 100 centimeters minimum (120 cm will be a dream come true) like her:


http://www.mexicobaires.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=82

And in fact that's the body type I like in women... a voluptuos one.. the escort from the ad has it all big tits (100 cm) relative small waist (63 cm) and big hips and ass (100 cm).

You are a "conocedor" Carlos so I'm pretty sure you know one or two girls in clubs that fulfills the chest requiriments hehehe.

[Strike 69]

Thanks Carlos...... but after reading some previous post I don't know if those escorts sites are trust worthy or bait and switch. What would be your suggestion in clubs?? Which one have pretty big titted girls? Somebody told me that in the obssession not long a ago there were some..... What would be your suggestion.

By the way I was a Regular member a few days ago (before posting the previous post) and now suddently I'm a Senior member what happened????


By the way I'm pretty sure that the Mexican immigration officers eat US immigration officers for breakfast!!!... I was reading in the newspaper that an Argentinian woman who offered escort services was deported from Mty.. now I'm reading that a Brazilian working girl was deported from Monterrey also..... man.... there's no way we can enjoy foreign girls that way.... what a sad situation...... do you think this ugly situation regarding Mexican immigration and customs will change in the near future??'
I dont' want another France or Sweden (they were great mongering destinations but now the scene is dead, in Sweden its thanks to the feminist bullshit) here in Mexico.......

And how also I know there's no porn industry in Mexico..... how about boosting that area???? It will be great to have a local quality porn industry, Private Media group or any other serious adult industry corporation can have some representation here in Mexico... (in fact I'm pretty sure that's the long term objetive of the current annual pseudo sex festival in the DF, I bet that the adult industry want to accustom to the population because they see a profitable market in Mexico but with the current conservative customs are an obstacle to achieve that) ..... or is it illegal too????? Please don't say it is.............

[El Cabron 007]

By the way I was a Regular member a few days ago (before posting the previous post) and now suddently I'm a Senior member what happened????
....

That means you are aging fast. You are getting old like the rest of us trying to find an honest hooker in Monterrey.

just kidding ... I hope you can take a joke Strike.

Wasted

[Strike 69]

That means you are aging fast. You are getting old like the rest of us trying to find an honest hooker in Monterrey.

just kidding ... I hope you can take a joke Strike.

Wasted


No problem Wasted.... hahaha

By the way... any information on club (or mp) girls with huge natural tits porn star type or at least a girl with tits like this:


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45690


it's appreciated...

I think the girl of the picture is club girl from Baja California

[Member #3453]

Being bumped to a senior member means you have risen to a distinction shared with the likes of me...scary uhhhhh?

I believe that your best opportunity for large busted women, unless you frequent the massage parlors where the women are not only large busted, but usually also grossly over weight in addition to also being large busted, would be in the high end clubs. It will be expensive, no doubt. But, as you said, money is no object. I have seen more large busted girls, ones with equally attractive bodies, in:

Prestige
Amnesia
Obsession
Poisson
Premiere

Even in the lower end clubs, many of the large busted women are, for my taste, too over weight to have my consideration. Curiously enough, there is even a large busted girl walking around Prestige, but she is probably at least 260 lbs. Therein lies your dilema. How she has survived all these years is beyond my wildest imagination, but she has. She is a regular. She must suck some mean...yes indeedy.

I know this has been recommended once, but, testimonials are important.


Porker, a "busty" officianado, seems to really prefer Seniore over almost any other MP these days, almost visiting it exclusively lately. Got to believe he is finding his preference there.


No problem Wasted.... hahaha

By the way... any information on club (or mp) girls with huge natural tits porn star type or at least a girl with tits like this:


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45690


it's appreciated...

I think the girl of the picture is club girl from Baja California

[MonterreyDude]

Pornography per se is prohibited by law.
THere is a very deep deep underground industry working in Mexico city, but anything here in Monterrey is quickly disbanded.



Thanks Carlos...... but after reading some previous post I don't know if those escorts sites are trust worthy or bait and switch. What would be your suggestion in clubs?? Which one have pretty big titted girls? Somebody told me that in the obssession not long a ago there were some..... What would be your suggestion.

By the way I was a Regular member a few days ago (before posting the previous post) and now suddently I'm a Senior member what happened????


By the way I'm pretty sure that the Mexican immigration officers eat US immigration officers for breakfast!!!... I was reading in the newspaper that an Argentinian woman who offered escort services was deported from Mty.. now I'm reading that a Brazilian working girl was deported from Monterrey also..... man.... there's no way we can enjoy foreign girls that way.... what a sad situation...... do you think this ugly situation regarding Mexican immigration and customs will change in the near future??'
I dont' want another France or Sweden (they were great mongering destinations but now the scene is dead, in Sweden its thanks to the feminist bullshit) here in Mexico.......

And how also I know there's no porn industry in Mexico..... how about boosting that area???? It will be great to have a local quality porn industry, Private Media group or any other serious adult industry corporation can have some representation here in Mexico... (in fact I'm pretty sure that's the long term objetive of the current annual pseudo sex festival in the DF, I bet that the adult industry want to accustom to the population because they see a profitable market in Mexico but with the current conservative customs are an obstacle to achieve that) ..... or is it illegal too????? Please don't say it is.............

[Strike 69]

Pornography per se is prohibited by law.
THere is a very deep deep underground industry working in Mexico city, but anything here in Monterrey is quickly disbanded.


That means for example if I am a Private Media Group Shareholder and I want to boost the creation of a serious adult industry in Mexico I will go to jail only for that??? Even if I do everything according to law?? like paying taxes and all that stuff???

This cannot be even Argentina and Brazil has its own local adult industry. By the way I'm talking about production with straight sex between adults with no other stuff like anything illegal or disgusting involve

[El Cabron 007]

Strike,

If you don't mind me asking, why do you keep touching on the legality of things while there is plenty to be had in Monterrey? Everything you are looking for is there but you just have to go out and find it. The thrill of the hunt is just as fun.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're asking way too many questions that are being answered with the word "Illegal". Why not just take what’s out there, enjoy it and let those nice people be?

Peace

Wasted


That means for example if I am a Private Media Group Shareholder and I want to boost the creation of a serious adult industry in Mexico I will go to jail only for that??? Even if I do everything according to law?? like paying taxes and all that stuff???

[Strike 69]

Strike,

If you don't mind me asking, why do you keep touching on the legality of things while there is plenty to be had in Monterrey? Everything you are looking for is there but you just have to go out and find it. The thrill of the hunt is just as fun.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're asking way too many questions that are being answered with the word "Illegal". Why not just take what’s out there, enjoy it and let those nice people be?

Peace

Wasted

No it's not that.. but it's just that I see a great potencia here for a better sex market (wheter the clubs will grow like the FKK clubs in Germany or like the Saunas in Scotland) and I don't believe why Mexico is behind some other countries regarding a local adult industry since there's such potencial for that here but because a double moral standard it doesn't exist.

And about the legal or Illegal stuff I'm asking those question because I was a former shareholder of that company PRVT on Nasdaq it's the simbol (I sold my stocks because the trend of the market was going down and I lost a lot of money,) and I do wanted in a near future to open some representation here. I have also a Mexican passport (not for nothing I speak perfect Spanish) so I wanted to know all l the legal procedure (like paying taxes) of opening such a business here.

Don't worry I'm not taking it the wrong way, I understand your concern about a guy that suddenly appears and start asking all those question.... the issue is Monterrey is a good mongering (so much better than Guadalajara) city but still far from perfect (it cannot match Buenos Aires for example)...and I want it to become an almost perfect mongering city..... .maybe I am wrong who knows??? You tell me your opinion

And I see no reason why the local population cannot enjoy European pussy, Asian pussy, African pussy or even South American pussy (I talk with some South American escorts in the DF and they told me they are afraid of coming to Monterrey because of fear to deportation from Mexican Immigration) only because the US has a "wonderful" idea as Carlos told me in recent post.
One thing is the human traffic (which I'm againt it) and other is to bring foreign girls in a legal way (with working visas) paid them for their job and thread them (in the measure of possible) with respect and allow them to leave and get back to their home countries once they wish to do it........but again maybe I'm talking it too serious.


Greetings

[El Cabron 007]

This is very interesting. I had no idea your intentions were beyond simple chat or looking for action. You have 'business' and dollars in mind.

I have traveled the world and seen a little of what's out there. I will not claim to be an expert .... but ... I think Monterrey, and could be all of Mexico in general, is just beautiful the way it is. The fact that the mongering seen does not stand out, and an average person coming to Monterrey for the first time will have no idea of the availability of those exotic venues is, in my opinion, what make Monterrey so charming. I must insist on the word 'Charming'.

Otherwise, if Monterrey becomes a hardened mongering town, the sweetness and innocence of those girls will seize to exist. I will no longer be able to call a girl at her home and see if she wants to go see a movie of go to a club. I will no longer answer my door and see 2 cute crunchy girls at my door saying "Hoollaaaa".

Neither will I hear the girl on the phone explaining to her mother or many friends that "I am with Wasted" and they all know who I am. Or will I? Maybe too cute for a man looking for hookers. But I see a charm in having a girl come over to sleep with me and go out to the mall, movies, coffee ... etc with Wasted the next day. Spending 20 minutes chatting with my buddy Mr. L on my laptop because they all know him is, again, charming.

So you see? I think I like Monterrey as it is. Maybe the factors of familiarity and addiction are what drive me. But I like it just the way it is. Charming.

And thank you for keeping an open mind.

Wasted.


No it's not that.. but it's just that I see a great potencia here for a better sex market (wheter the clubs will grow like the FKK clubs in Germany or like the Saunas in Scotland) and I don't believe why Mexico is behind some other countries regarding a local adult industry since there's such potencial for that here but because a double moral standard it doesn't exist.

And about the legal or Illegal stuff I'm asking those question because I was a former shareholder of that company PRVT on Nasdaq it's the simbol (I sold my stocks because the trend of the market was going down and I lost a lot of money,) and I do wanted in a near future to open some representation here. I have also a Mexican passport (not for nothing I speak perfect Spanish) so I wanted to know all l the legal procedure (like paying taxes) of opening such a business here.

Don't worry I'm not taking it the wrong way, I understand your concern about a guy that suddenly appears and start asking all those question.... the issue is Monterrey is a good mongering (so much better than Guadalajara) city but still far from perfect (it cannot match Buenos Aires for example)...and I want it to become an almost perfect mongering city..... .maybe I am wrong who knows??? You tell me your opinion


Greetings

[Precocious One]

I had an hour to kill before my legitimate massage and I stumbled upon a MP that I would actually recommend. At least for that particular day. Bad Girls is located about a mile from Reforma and the clubs. It is on the main street going toward the strip clubs and going away from Padre Meir. Anyway, on this particular day, there were only two girls working at about 2:00 PM. One was about 25 and cute and the other could have been 20 and very, very cute. A newer, clean establishment and the proprietor even spoke english. Did not check to see if they took cc's. I believe that I was quoted 35/hh and 45/h.

[Precocious One]

Not a bad deal for hh or h. It may be a good option to go kick back and let the girl do all the work after I am knocked out from the clubs.

I would not use my credit cards in SC's or MP's. I mentioned before that I had a $1,400 charge for mail order item from Spain on one of my cards during the time I was in Monterrey and used that card. No more credit cards if I can help it.

Wait, am I not supposed to post here? How does this work?

WastedMy ATM debit card got hit last night. A withdrawal was taken out in the city of Zapopan which is close to Mexico City. For the record, I have only used this card for cash withdrawals and not for purchases and exclusively at two different Banamex locations. What was interesting was that the amount taken from the account was for the identical amount I normally withdraw.

[Precocious One]

" What was interesting was that the amount taken from the account was for the identical amount I normally withdraw "

Don't jump to conclusions on this. Sometimes the withdrawal is posted under a different location. Or it could just be a bank error that will be reversed. Contact your bank and point out the error. It may turn out to be nothing . . .

Good Luck, -PActually, my bank's (Chase) fraud department stated that they have had problems in foreign countries regarding security issues. And the way the debits post on my online account actually show the location of the withdrawals so more than likely it to had to have been a breach of security as I still have my card and no one has my PIN except me. For those of you that live here, the Banamex in question is on Vasconcelos next to the Gigante in Colonia del Valle. Thanks for your support though.

By the way, if I recall correctly you are a Monterrey MP connoisseur. I am going to head over to Bad Girls next week. It seemed very promising the other day. I'll post a full report.

[Andreo]

This is the third time back! I went to Pasarelas last time and had a great time.

I am currently wondering around barrio antigo and thinking about tonight.

Can someone give me the address of Pasarela and opening times please?

Also anyone know what time Nueva Luna opens?

Carlos. Fancy a beer on me?

Thanks!

[MonterreyDude]

Andreo, Pasarelas opens at 4 pm, closes at daybreak on the weekends.

Address of the Pasarelas is Avenida Madero in the middle of Doctor Coss and Arista Streets.




This is the third time back! I went to Pasarelas last time and had a great time.

I am currently wondering around barrio antigo and thinking about tonight.

Can someone give me the address of Pasarela and opening times please?

Also anyone know what time Nueva Luna opens?

Carlos. Fancy a beer on me?

Thanks!

[Andreo]

Well,

A bit about me, I have lived in Europe, travelled extensively and find myself in Monterrey more frequently as time progresses.

I thought I would share this evenings activites.

I started around 9pm (today is Sunday!) at Pasarella. It was dead. People coming and staying a short time. There were 4 girls dancing.

Now this is coming from a gringo newbie OK? I got fairly well fleeced tonight. I am not a US citizen, suffice to say I get around. I forgot / didn't ask about prices.... However, I did have a real good time!

So, back to Pasarella. I would say there were less than 10 guys there and everyone was looking at the beautiful (8) girl sitting next to / on me. I don't speak much more than tourist spanish - I've only been to a spanish speaking country three times (this being the third) - and so it can be a little dull. She made little attempt at communicating and I kind of gave up. After feeding her beer and a privado, which she had to be pushed into, I left and looked at what else was around.

I wondered down the road and was looking for Excalibur (I read the reviews of distinction before I left) but rather stumbled across the Harem..

OK, not as nice, but it made up for with atmosphere, music and people! A nice girl called Vanessa (2nd of the night - well, similar to vanessa anyway) came across (compared to Pasarella where she was almost dragged - and kind of wished she didn't make it) and even though I was being exceptionally friendly, she cracked me.

Again, I got caught in the buying the girl (and her friend) a beer) but had a real good time. I went for a dance and ended up with something more... My choice this time! She was overall a kind of GFE.

In Harem I would say that half of them were 8/9 and above and there were about 20 ladies there. A distinct difference to the dead Pasarella.

When I walked into Pasarella I heard "Gringo" which I guess amounts a stupid cash cow, whereas I paid 10pesos to get into Harem and after messing around being funny with the waiter the whole place was great!

I would say that as a newbie to Monterrey, I will definitely be looking around. I am picking up and learning useful phrases which really do help.

Hey guess what americanos! Shouting english (or whatever it is you speak) doesn't help people understand! ;-)

Anyway, thats about it. I just thought I would write something as I noticed on the other forums about the amount of visitors and lurkers and no posters. Maybe this will help..

By the way, if there are any suggestions on MP's I would appreciate it. I am staying close to Barrio Antiguo (sp?)

Thanks again for a wealth of information!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Andreo]

Thanks! I posted something in the regular members section!


Andreo, Pasarelas opens at 4 pm, closes at daybreak on the weekends.

Address of the Pasarelas is Avenida Madero in the middle of Doctor Coss and Arista Streets.

[Precocious One]

USB,

I wouldn't fret too much on the married part. With these girls, you never know. Carlos claimed that the girl at Tangalay is married and she is not. Although she still lives with her ex-husband DJ who is now driving a cab for a living, they are happily divorced, or so she claims. But then again, who knows? Maybe she still is married. Regardless, I know she is still doing salidas as the last time I was with her she gave her phone number to a guy that she said previously had four or five salidas with. I thought it was kind of cool that she knew I was pretty secure in myself in that I would not get jealous of her trying to drum-up old business. Or maybe it was new business? What I do know is that it really is none of my business. Again, who truly knows with these girls?

[Builder99]

It's been almost 3 years since my last trip to MTY - and during that breif visit Mr. Carlos Perez's advice and council led me to a few SC's where I had a great time.

I have just found myself booking a flight to MTY to help out a customer. I arrive Sunday around noon - head to the worksite should only take 2 or 3 hours to fix their problem - then I have nothing to do Sunday night or Monday untill the plane leaves @ 4pm.

1st question - What hotel is good? - near to some action SC/MP?

2nd question - Is there any action on Sunday afternoon/evenings?

Thank you so much for any input - I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate this forum and the ability to call upon your experience.

Regards,

Builder

[MonterreyDude]

The mongers favor the Plaza del Arco hotel in any of both addresses they have:

http://www.proximahoteles.com/

Sundays will be a little slow but Infinito, Matehuala, Givenchy are open.
So is the Harem and the Pasarelas MCs.

MP's, almost all on the downtown area are open, but quality, that I can't vouch for.
Favorite is signore at www.signore.com.mx





It's been almost 3 years since my last trip to MTY - and during that breif visit Mr. Carlos Perez's advice and council led me to a few SC's where I had a great time.

I have just found myself booking a flight to MTY to help out a customer. I arrive Sunday around noon - head to the worksite should only take 2 or 3 hours to fix their problem - then I have nothing to do Sunday night or Monday untill the plane leaves @ 4pm.

1st question - What hotel is good? - near to some action SC/MP?

2nd question - Is there any action on Sunday afternoon/evenings?

Thank you so much for any input - I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate this forum and the ability to call upon your experience.

Regards,

Builder

[Member #3453]

With respect to Givenchy, the quality of selection there is significantly better than it ever used to be. It is immediately North of El Infinito. On Sundays, these clubs will all likely be kind of sparse with respect to selection. The best hours in the clubs will be from 8pm to 2am. If you go any earlier, you will likely find a disappointing selection, so don't even consider it. You will waste more money than if you just opt to go after 8pm. But, just so you know, shift change is at 11pm, so if you do go earlier to scope it out, you can sometimes find some decent girls from the afternoon shift. So, if you want to really scope out the totality of selection, go just before 9pm, and you should see the full range of selection from both shifts. There is also usually a presentation on stage during this same period at both clubs...

Carlos at which hours are the presentations at El Infinito and Givenchy so he can catch both shifts?

I don't know if you remember Givenchy from your former trip, but it used to be the club immediately South of El Infinito, and it was always typically quite poor with respect to selection. All that has changed lately. They are probably almost the next best alternative to El Infinito with respect to it being a lower end bar and it having the same kind of selection, both in numbers and quality. El Infinito is still better, but Givenchy is catching up fast, and sometimes, on occassion, it is superior lately.

You will also notice that Givenchy has a significantly larger, and significantly nicer facility compared to the old place, maybe even compared to El Infinito currently. Plus, they even have two private rooms on premises where you can take a girl for (2) or (4) hours respectively. The bigger room costs 500 pesos (4 hours), and the smaller room costs 350 pesos (2 hours). If you don't want to bring them back to your hotel, or you prefer to stay in a nicer, luxury hotel, one that isn't girl friends like the PDA, then the private room is a nice option. Take them up for a privado to test drive them, then opt for the private room. I found that some girls that will not leave with you on salida will give you full service in the private room, no problem.

As a side bar, one girl, the wife (she-husband) of WastedG's lesbian "X" girl once quoted me 2000 pesos to go on salida, and the same amount to go to the private room in Givenchy, this before I knew who she was, and before I knew better than to associate with her for fear of being dragged into the drama that routinely unfolds between the two girls. Anyway...I digress, but it is illustrative of the potential attempts to overcharge a Gringo with respect to salida action and/or private room action, this before she actually knew whom she was dealing with.

The girls rates to go on salida should be between 1000-1200 pesos, no more, and you may be able to negotiate that down on a Sunday night to as low as 500-800 pesos depending on their desperation level and what time of month it is with respect to the rent being owed. Of course, you will have the cost of the salida to pay if you go off site, 350 pesos, in addition to the girl's compensation.

Back to Givenchy...The rooms have nice couches, tvs, etc...One word of caution however, the girls are encouraged to order drinks in the rooms during the course of your stay there, and depending on the girl, they will consume beverages to the tune of probably one every fifteen minutes or less, beverages you will have to pay for. But, drink prices are cheaper than almost anywhere else, so from that perspective, it's not too bad.

The girl's compensation should run you no more than 1000 pesos, that in addition to the cost of the room. You may be able to negotiate them for less. I once took one of the girls into the smaller private room for about 500-600 pesos, if my memory serves me correctly, and she consumed a drink every 15-20 minutes. I think the drink costs was around 50-60 pesos...Carlos can confirm that.

For a girl friendly hotel, PDA is proably your best bet. There is also a PDA affiliate named Plaza Del Arco Express located approximately two or three blocks to the East on Madero. It is part of the same group and it should also be girl friendly.

I checked out a new hotel last time I was in town. It is really within close walking distance of the gauntlet of clubs on Villa Gran, El Infinito, Givenchy, and Tangalay, plus it's within very close walking distance of El Cielo, and the lowest of the low, the club "Babes," as well. The hotel is called Hotel Legar, 752 Rayon Nte., Monterrey. I haven't stayed there yet, but I did tour it for future potential. It is cheaper than PDA, and according to my research, it is girlfriendly. The furnishings in the room are probably a little rougher compared to PDA, but the bed seemed firm and comfortable, working A/C, TV, Phones, Free local calls, etc...

It seems like a decent alternative to PDA if you want something even closer to the clubs on Villa Gran, something within very close walking distance. From there, you could walk to all those clubs within 3 minutes, not to mention the huge numbers of MPs in that exact area.

The cost is also a little cheaper than PDA. I was quoted 503 pesos for two persons, and 462 pesos for one. I would try the one person rate and take my chances that they would charge you for two ultimately if you brought a girl back. I always pay the one person rate, and nobody ever charges me for bringing a girl back, and I've brought a lot of girls back over the years. In Monterrey, the two person rate at the lower end hotels seemingly only applies if two people are actually staying the room long term, and not with respect to bringing guests in such as what you might find in Asia for example. But, of course, if you want more towels, etc...the two person rate might be more convenient.

Oh, yeah, they also have a continental breakfast that is free. Also, I was told they have free wireless internet, and it may be accessible from some of the rooms, but I was told that it is more successfully used from the breakfast area where they serve the free continental breakfast.

Have fun...



It's been almost 3 years since my last trip to MTY - and during that breif visit Mr. Carlos Perez's advice and council led me to a few SC's where I had a great time.

I have just found myself booking a flight to MTY to help out a customer. I arrive Sunday around noon - head to the worksite should only take 2 or 3 hours to fix their problem - then I have nothing to do Sunday night or Monday untill the plane leaves @ 4pm.

1st question - What hotel is good? - near to some action SC/MP?

2nd question - Is there any action on Sunday afternoon/evenings?

Thank you so much for any input - I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate this forum and the ability to call upon your experience.

Regards,

Builder

[Andreo]

So what is the going rate at Signore?

Gracias!


"Gringo... cash cow... Correct. This is the exact translation of Gringo . . ."

Wrong: anyone that pays close attention to the this forum, asks the pertinent questions, expresses his doubts searching for advise and gets the idea of how the city moves, will not be treated that way at the clubs.

[Builder99]

Mr. Perez, the last time (3 yrs) I was in your beautiful city I had a jpg/gif map of the club locations. Is this something you still have available?

Thank you,

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[Precocious One]

I went back to Bad Girls MP today after it looked so promising last week. Again, two girls working at around 4:00 pm, however, these girls were of lesser quality than before although still above the Signore standard. I chose a 22-year-old Monterrey native for one hour at 450 pesos. A half hour is 350 pesos. This girl actually tried her best to give me a massage and after about 15 minutes I flipped over. Now, this childless girl had a pretty nice body clothed and unclothed but she had this disturbing case of Little Red Dots around her legs, almost like mosquito bites. After I gave her a 200 pesos tip, I proceeded in removing all of her clothing. As she layed next to me licking my chest and stroking my semi-hard cock, I then noticed more of these Little Red Dots around her groin area. Now, being the inquisitive monger that I am, I decided to have a closer look at these Little Red Dots. As far as I could tell, they were not actually in her now wet puss, but nonetheless, very disturbing. About this time, my fourth beer started wearing off and I decided that it would probably be best for me to get out than get off. I jumped in the clean shower, washed off with what appears to have been liquid anti-bacterial soap, and out the door I went. One thing about this place is that it appears to be clean. A supposed new sheet was placed on the bed in my presence as well as a towel that was fresh or possibly just freshly-folded after the last John. Still, probably a better value than the other MP's. I believe that I just got unlucky in my selection.

[MonterreyDude]

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Mr. Perez, the last time (3 yrs) I was in your beautiful city I had a jpg/gif map of the club locations. Is this something you still have available?

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[MonterreyDude]

Presentation times: 3, 5, 7, 9, 10:30 pm...


USB says: "With respect to Givenchy, the quality of selection there is significantly better than it ever used to be. It is immediately North of El Infinito. On Sundays, these clubs will all likely be kind of sparse with respect to selection. The best hours in the clubs will be from 8pm to 2am. If you go any earlier, you will likely find a disappointing selection, so don't even consider it. You will waste more money than if you just opt to go after 8pm. But, just so you know, shift change is at 11pm, so if you do go earlier to scope it out, you can sometimes find some decent girls from the afternoon shift. So, if you want to really scope out the totality of selection, go just before 9pm, and you should see the full range of selection from both shifts. There is also usually a presentation on stage during this same period at both clubs..."

I don't agree... might have improved for the eye, but not in substance.
Some of the girls are the worst mercenaries I have ever been with.
This girls have it easy with the quota they need for the salary: 12 privados as opposed to the Infinito where the quota is 30 privados.
So they go to the quick peso, no quality involved....




With respect to Givenchy, the quality of selection there is significantly better than it ever used to be. It is immediately North of El Infinito. On Sundays, these clubs will all likely be kind of sparse with respect to selection. The best hours in the clubs will be from 8pm to 2am. If you go any earlier, you will likely find a disappointing selection, so don't even consider it. You will waste more money than if you just opt to go after 8pm. But, just so you know, shift change is at 11pm, so if you do go earlier to scope it out, you can sometimes find some decent girls from the afternoon shift. So, if you want to really scope out the totality of selection, go just before 9pm, and you should see the full range of selection from both shifts. There is also usually a presentation on stage during this same period at both clubs...

Carlos at which hours are the presentations at El Infinito and Givenchy so he can catch both shifts?


Have fun...

[Member #3453]

I don't agree... might have improved for the eye, but not in substance. Some of the girls are the worst mercenaries I have ever been with. This girls have it easy with the quota they need for the salary: 12 privados as opposed to the Infinito where the quota is 30 privados.
So they go to the quick peso, no quality involved....

I realize that because I am comparatively limited with respect to my activities in El Infinito these days, that perhaps my optomism with respect to Givenchy is conveniently embellished for my own reassurance. That realization has occurred to me.

But, I am still interested in hearing the specific details of why you judge it this way, Carlos. Give me some specific examples of why you've formed that conclusion. I don't mean that to sound like a challenge, but I am more interested to know based on your specific attempts with specific girls there rather than generalizations.

That is an interesting observation with respect to the numbers of privados required. But, it would seem to me they would have significantly less incentive to be mercenary, requiring only 12 privados to make salary. If they have it so easy, why would they choose to be mercenary?

It would seem that they would be less mercenary, and provide even better service so as to make as much as they possibly can in the future by providing good service to an established customer base without all the pressure associated with their salida quota, especially after having already earned their salary.

It seems to me that they would not have the pressure that the Infinito girls have to play you along in the privados, thereby skillfully extending the time they take to bring you off, etc...subsequently resulting in more privados for them, and higher prices for you as a consumer of their service.

You know, it occurs to me that most of your activities, Carlos, are generally limited to the services rendered in the clubs, whereas my activities are primarily on salida. So, with respect to the difference in the two kinds of activities, I can see where my own experiences in the privados may not be an accurate assessment within the same context as yours.

I don't do anything in the privados other than to interview the girls. So, in that respect, I suppose I have no direct experience with respect to how the girls might "put-out," and to what extent they may have mercenary attitudes in the privados.

What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc...I speak with respect to my former experience with the Infinito girls because at this juncture, I am relatively inactive there other than to fraternize with my friends from yesteryear, they talking my ear off. :D

I've found that distinction noticeable between the two clubs. But, I consider that kind of activity, delaying you in the privados for as long as possible, to be more mercenary not less. I guess it's all in how you interpret it, and the extent of your satisfaction with them with regard to strictly partaking in privado action.

You may be interpreting some of what you're experiencing from the girls in Givenchy as mercenary, when in reality, it is simply "personality inneptitude" in comparison to the skill level of the girls in El Infinito to charm you. From my perspective, I wouldn't term it mercenary with respect to attitude in Givenchy, just comparative inneptitude.

However, of course, you have more experiences with them than I do, visiting the clubs on a weekly basis. I will admit that you have a wider sampling range from which to draw conclusions, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm contradicting your assessment. Perhaps it's a matter of symantics. I have noticed a difference in the "charm" level, or skill level, of the girls with respect to their enticement abilities. But, the overall, eventual results, for me, have been quite satisfying so far at Givenchy.

I don't say that it's better than El Infinito at this juncture, but I do say that it is improving, and has the potential to eventually become as good. I am strictly making that prediction based on the improvements at the facility itself, and the vastly improved selection in comparison to the Old Givenchy.

I have three instances out of three specific attempts, 3 for 3, that make me optomistic, but admittedly my experience is based on a limited sampling in comparison to yours, and considering the differences in our mongering styles (Salidas versus Privados and in-house services), we might have a different perspective.

I remind you that the sister of Gina from Pasarelas, my "T" girl, the girl I bar fined from Givenchy last time, she was not in any way mercenary with me when she went on salida. She was quite the opposite, very friendly, very affectionate, totally compliant, a little slow in warming up sexually, but not bad, just not to my high standard, but eventually coming to a nice simmer, and a firecracker ending. Remember, as you yourself once said, I have very high, sometimes unrealistic, expectations from the girls I select. So, for me to endorse the girls I've selected from Givenchy, it is no small accomplishment for them.

And, I also took one of the girls into the private room on the trip prior to my last visit. I had literally "unbelievable" service with that one, uncharacteristic service, animalistic, affectionate beyond belief, totally uninhibited, absolutely no holding back, almost a "G" girl level of attention. No mercenary attitude there.

However, as I previously mentioned, in the private room, there is a push to sell drinks, but they're no worse at pushing them than in any of the other clubs, and the drinks are cheap, 50 pesos. They will drink about one every 15-20 minutes. That isn't out of the ordinary, certainly not mercenary.

I have a third one in Givenchy that will not go on salida, but she will go into the private room, a real sweetheart too. She is kind of a cross between my "G" girl in looks, but possibly just a little bigger...not much...perfectly acceptable. I showed her to you last time I was there. I am going to take her for a spin in the private room on my next trip...maybe the big private room this time :D

I did run into the "she-husband" to WastedG's "X" girl, and yes, she IS a mercenary. But, I recognized it in her immediately, and held her to only one privado. But, there are many of the same just like her in El Infinito, verdad?

You must admit, regardless of your own experiences with mercenary attitude, in comparison to the old Givenchy, the new Givenchy is worlds apart.

Remember, I was surprised when I found you gawking at the possibilities in Givenchy the last time I was in town, the night I was feeling under the weather, and we ended up over at Tangalay together.

You are at least looking at the prospects in the New Givenchy. I don't ever remember you making the effort in the Old Givenchy in the past. I don't think I ever ran into you in the old Givenchy, NOT IN OVER FIVE YEARS...It was so uncharacteristic to find you in Givenchy, that it was akin to finding you in La Cava with Porker. So, there must be something to it!

[MonterreyDude]

Givenchy is a different kind of fraternity than that of the Infinito due to the kind of customers that go to the club.

You might notice the girls, I notice the whole package deal and the level of customers there is different in the sense that the Givenchy clients are apt to drink more than their counterparts at the Infinito and spend less on girls.

Being this, the girls at Givenchy can expect less income and this is true, cause the customers expect oral or even FS from just a couple of privados, no payment for extras.

So the girls might get only the salary (400 pesos) and a the commision for the 12 privados (300 pesos), totaling 700 pesos average for the girls per day. This kind of girls do not expect more but do expect less some days.

If they expected more, willing to get more and capable to get more, they would be working at the Infinito, not the Givenchy.
As simple as that.
You yourself have pointed out this in your post: "What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc"

Again, I didn't like the setup of the old Givenchy, I like the new Givenchy.
But that allows me to see the girls from different advantage points.

Of the 4 girls I've tried, 2 are married, one is living with one of the Givenchy's security guards and the 4th had a boyfriend that didn't want to see her working.

Why do I know this? Cause they spilled it out on the spot.
When have we heard the Infinito girls talking about this when you set foot for the first time in a privado? never, cause they are more pro-ish.

And yes, I get my references from inclub experiences, I am not willing to spend on drama queens, Oscar winning actresses or plain old "she just laid there" girls.

And of course I see the girls outside the clubs. Thing is when any of you guys are in town I just tell them "sorry girl, got friends to go around with and friends come in first".







I realize that because I am comparatively limited with respect to my activities in El Infinito these days, that perhaps my optomism with respect to Givenchy is conveniently embellished for my own reassurance. That realization has occurred to me.

But, I am still interested in hearing the specific details of why you judge it this way, Carlos. Give me some specific examples of why you've formed that conclusion. I don't mean that to sound like a challenge, but I am more interested to know based on your specific attempts with specific girls there rather than generalizations.

That is an interesting observation with respect to the numbers of privados required. But, it would seem to me they would have significantly less incentive to be mercenary, requiring only 12 privados to make salary. If they have it so easy, why would they choose to be mercenary?

It would seem that they would be less mercenary, and provide even better service so as to make as much as they possibly can in the future by providing good service to an established customer base without all the pressure associated with their salida quota, especially after having already earned their salary.

It seems to me that they would not have the pressure that the Infinito girls have to play you along in the privados, thereby skillfully extending the time they take to bring you off, etc...subsequently resulting in more privados for them, and higher prices for you as a consumer of their service.

You know, it occurs to me that most of your activities, Carlos, are generally limited to the services rendered in the clubs, whereas my activities are primarily on salida. So, with respect to the difference in the two kinds of activities, I can see where my own experiences in the privados may not be an accurate assessment within the same context as yours.

I don't do anything in the privados other than to interview the girls. So, in that respect, I suppose I have no direct experience with respect to how the girls might "put-out," and to what extent they may have mercenary attitudes in the privados.

What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc...I speak with respect to my former experience with the Infinito girls because at this juncture, I am relatively inactive there other than to fraternize with my friends from yesteryear, they talking my ear off. :D

I've found that distinction noticeable between the two clubs. But, I consider that kind of activity, delaying you in the privados for as long as possible, to be more mercenary not less. I guess it's all in how you interpret it, and the extent of your satisfaction with them with regard to strictly partaking in privado action.

You may be interpreting some of what you're experiencing from the girls in Givenchy as mercenary, when in reality, it is simply "personality inneptitude" in comparison to the skill level of the girls in El Infinito to charm you. From my perspective, I wouldn't term it mercenary with respect to attitude in Givenchy, just comparative inneptitude.

However, of course, you have more experiences with them than I do, visiting the clubs on a weekly basis. I will admit that you have a wider sampling range from which to draw conclusions, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm contradicting your assessment. Perhaps it's a matter of symantics. I have noticed a difference in the "charm" level, or skill level, of the girls with respect to their enticement abilities. But, the overall, eventual results, for me, have been quite satisfying so far at Givenchy.

I don't say that it's better than El Infinito at this juncture, but I do say that it is improving, and has the potential to eventually become as good. I am strictly making that prediction based on the improvements at the facility itself, and the vastly improved selection in comparison to the Old Givenchy.

I have three instances out of three specific attempts, 3 for 3, that make me optomistic, but admittedly my experience is based on a limited sampling in comparison to yours, and considering the differences in our mongering styles (Salidas versus Privados and in-house services), we might have a different perspective.

I remind you that the sister of Gina from Pasarelas, my "T" girl, the girl I bar fined from Givenchy last time, she was not in any way mercenary with me when she went on salida. She was quite the opposite, very friendly, very affectionate, totally compliant, a little slow in warming up sexually, but not bad, just not to my high standard, but eventually coming to a nice simmer, and a firecracker ending. Remember, as you yourself once said, I have very high, sometimes unrealistic, expectations from the girls I select. So, for me to endorse the girls I've selected from Givenchy, it is no small accomplishment for them.

And, I also took one of the girls into the private room on the trip prior to my last visit. I had literally "unbelievable" service with that one, uncharacteristic service, animalistic, affectionate beyond belief, totally uninhibited, absolutely no holding back, almost a "G" girl level of attention. No mercenary attitude there.

However, as I previously mentioned, in the private room, there is a push to sell drinks, but they're no worse at pushing them than in any of the other clubs, and the drinks are cheap, 50 pesos. They will drink about one every 15-20 minutes. That isn't out of the ordinary, certainly not mercenary.

I have a third one in Givenchy that will not go on salida, but she will go into the private room, a real sweetheart too. She is kind of a cross between my "G" girl in looks, but possibly just a little bigger...not much...perfectly acceptable. I showed her to you last time I was there. I am going to take her for a spin in the private room on my next trip...maybe the big private room this time :D

I did run into the "she-husband" to WastedG's "X" girl, and yes, she IS a mercenary. But, I recognized it in her immediately, and held her to only one privado. But, there are many of the same just like her in El Infinito, verdad?

You must admit, regardless of your own experiences with mercenary attitude, in comparison to the old Givenchy, the new Givenchy is worlds apart.

Remember, I was surprised when I found you gawking at the possibilities in Givenchy the last time I was in town, the night I was feeling under the weather, and we ended up over at Tangalay together.

You are at least looking at the prospects in the New Givenchy. I don't ever remember you making the effort in the Old Givenchy in the past. I don't think I ever ran into you in the old Givenchy, NOT IN OVER FIVE YEARS...It was so uncharacteristic to find you in Givenchy, that it was akin to finding you in La Cava with Porker. So, there must be something to it!

[Member #3453]

Givenchy is a different kind of fraternity than that of the Infinito due to the kind of customers that go to the club.

It would seem then, based on your assessment, that I should be able to get the the girls to go on salida cheaper than what the girls will agree to at El Infinito, simply because the girls earn less at Givenchy than the girls earn while on duty at El Infinito. But, so far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Armed with your assessment in the back of my mind, I plan to employ a slightly different approach to see if your theories might also have a direct effect on the pricing charged for salidas. Theoretically, knowing what they typically make in an entire shift is invaluable in also formulating strategy with respect to their motivation to go on salida for less.

Based on your assessment, I should be able to routinely get the girls away from Givenchy for as little as 500-700 pesos, plus the bar fine, and possibly even arrange meeting them at times when they are off work, when I will not even have to pay a bar fine, all for between 500-700 pesos inclusive.

To further substantiate your point of view, I have, in the past, from the Old Givenchy, been able to get them for comparatively less than from El Infinito, and including even the girls at El Cielo as well, with it usually costing between 600-800 pesos, plus the bar fine, and in one instance, even getting one to meet me for as little as 350 pesos after work, no bar fine.

However, the pricing quoted to me by the girls at the new Givenchy seems to be on par with El Infinito these days, more expensive than before, and possibly, depending on the girl, sometimes even slightly more expensive than what I can normally negotiate at El Infinito for a two hour salida.

That's why I find your assessment interesting. I plan to test it with much more thoroughness next time I'm in town.

[MonterreyDude]

That might be cause you are $U$B$
They see you as a gulible gringo.... they don't see you as a guy that knows his way around both Givenchy and Infinito.
Am sure once they start quoting prices and you bringing them down, they'll know you know...




It would seem then, based on your assessment, that I should be able to get the the girls to go on salida cheaper than what the girls will agree to at El Infinito, simply because the girls earn less at Givenchy than the girls earn while on duty at El Infinito. But, so far, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Armed with your assessment in the back of my mind, I plan to employ a slightly different approach to see if your theories might also have a direct effect on the pricing charged for salidas. Theoretically, knowing what they typically make in an entire shift is invaluable in also formulating strategy with respect to their motivation to go on salida for less.

Based on your assessment, I should be able to routinely get the girls away from Givenchy for as little as 500-700 pesos, plus the bar fine, and possibly even arrange meeting them at times when they are off work, when I will not even have to pay a bar fine, all for between 500-700 pesos inclusive.

To further substantiate your point of view, I have, in the past, from the Old Givenchy, been able to get them for comparatively less than from El Infinito, and including even the girls at El Cielo as well, with it usually costing between 600-800 pesos, plus the bar fine, and in one instance, even getting one to meet me for as little as 350 pesos after work, no bar fine.

However, the pricing quoted to me by the girls at the new Givenchy seems to be on par with El Infinito these days, more expensive than before, and possibly, depending on the girl, sometimes even slightly more expensive than what I can normally negotiate at El Infinito for a two hour salida.

That's why I find your assessment interesting. I plan to test it with much more thoroughness next time I'm in town.

[Member #3453]

That might be cause you are $U$B$
They see you as a gulible gringo.... they don't see you as a guy that knows his way around both Givenchy and Infinito.
Am sure once they start quoting prices and you bringing them down, they'll know you know...


Agreed...a few of the Givenchy girls know me, in the sense that they have seen me around, and they know I am harmless. But, few of them know me like the Infinito girls know me, the later realizing that I was there before they were born :D

[MonterreyDude]

USB: I've been to Givenchy a couple of times and I haven't seen anyone that resambles Laisha (Pasarelas name), Gina's sister.

Are you sure she is around?
I have to point out that Laisha is older than Gina and we are talking 3 and a half years, almost 4... as I recall Gina was 19-20 and Laisha was 22-23.

Are you dealing with a 26 year old????




I realize that because I am comparatively limited with respect to my activities in El Infinito these days, that perhaps my optomism with respect to Givenchy is conveniently embellished for my own reassurance. That realization has occurred to me.

But, I am still interested in hearing the specific details of why you judge it this way, Carlos. Give me some specific examples of why you've formed that conclusion. I don't mean that to sound like a challenge, but I am more interested to know based on your specific attempts with specific girls there rather than generalizations.

That is an interesting observation with respect to the numbers of privados required. But, it would seem to me they would have significantly less incentive to be mercenary, requiring only 12 privados to make salary. If they have it so easy, why would they choose to be mercenary?

It would seem that they would be less mercenary, and provide even better service so as to make as much as they possibly can in the future by providing good service to an established customer base without all the pressure associated with their salida quota, especially after having already earned their salary.

It seems to me that they would not have the pressure that the Infinito girls have to play you along in the privados, thereby skillfully extending the time they take to bring you off, etc...subsequently resulting in more privados for them, and higher prices for you as a consumer of their service.

You know, it occurs to me that most of your activities, Carlos, are generally limited to the services rendered in the clubs, whereas my activities are primarily on salida. So, with respect to the difference in the two kinds of activities, I can see where my own experiences in the privados may not be an accurate assessment within the same context as yours.

I don't do anything in the privados other than to interview the girls. So, in that respect, I suppose I have no direct experience with respect to how the girls might "put-out," and to what extent they may have mercenary attitudes in the privados.

What I have noticed with them is a lesser desire, seemingly, to keep me in the privados as long as the Infinito girls. Maybe it's because I know a lot of the Infinito girls. The girls in El Infinito will do anything to keep you there, talk your ear off, bring you right to the brink and then back off, prolonging their time, playing little games, etc...I speak with respect to my former experience with the Infinito girls because at this juncture, I am relatively inactive there other than to fraternize with my friends from yesteryear, they talking my ear off. :D

I've found that distinction noticeable between the two clubs. But, I consider that kind of activity, delaying you in the privados for as long as possible, to be more mercenary not less. I guess it's all in how you interpret it, and the extent of your satisfaction with them with regard to strictly partaking in privado action.

You may be interpreting some of what you're experiencing from the girls in Givenchy as mercenary, when in reality, it is simply "personality inneptitude" in comparison to the skill level of the girls in El Infinito to charm you. From my perspective, I wouldn't term it mercenary with respect to attitude in Givenchy, just comparative inneptitude.

However, of course, you have more experiences with them than I do, visiting the clubs on a weekly basis. I will admit that you have a wider sampling range from which to draw conclusions, so I don't mean this to sound like I'm contradicting your assessment. Perhaps it's a matter of symantics. I have noticed a difference in the "charm" level, or skill level, of the girls with respect to their enticement abilities. But, the overall, eventual results, for me, have been quite satisfying so far at Givenchy.

I don't say that it's better than El Infinito at this juncture, but I do say that it is improving, and has the potential to eventually become as good. I am strictly making that prediction based on the improvements at the facility itself, and the vastly improved selection in comparison to the Old Givenchy.

I have three instances out of three specific attempts, 3 for 3, that make me optomistic, but admittedly my experience is based on a limited sampling in comparison to yours, and considering the differences in our mongering styles (Salidas versus Privados and in-house services), we might have a different perspective.

I remind you that the sister of Gina from Pasarelas, my "T" girl, the girl I bar fined from Givenchy last time, she was not in any way mercenary with me when she went on salida. She was quite the opposite, very friendly, very affectionate, totally compliant, a little slow in warming up sexually, but not bad, just not to my high standard, but eventually coming to a nice simmer, and a firecracker ending. Remember, as you yourself once said, I have very high, sometimes unrealistic, expectations from the girls I select. So, for me to endorse the girls I've selected from Givenchy, it is no small accomplishment for them.

And, I also took one of the girls into the private room on the trip prior to my last visit. I had literally "unbelievable" service with that one, uncharacteristic service, animalistic, affectionate beyond belief, totally uninhibited, absolutely no holding back, almost a "G" girl level of attention. No mercenary attitude there.

However, as I previously mentioned, in the private room, there is a push to sell drinks, but they're no worse at pushing them than in any of the other clubs, and the drinks are cheap, 50 pesos. They will drink about one every 15-20 minutes. That isn't out of the ordinary, certainly not mercenary.

I have a third one in Givenchy that will not go on salida, but she will go into the private room, a real sweetheart too. She is kind of a cross between my "G" girl in looks, but possibly just a little bigger...not much...perfectly acceptable. I showed her to you last time I was there. I am going to take her for a spin in the private room on my next trip...maybe the big private room this time :D

I did run into the "she-husband" to WastedG's "X" girl, and yes, she IS a mercenary. But, I recognized it in her immediately, and held her to only one privado. But, there are many of the same just like her in El Infinito, verdad?

You must admit, regardless of your own experiences with mercenary attitude, in comparison to the old Givenchy, the new Givenchy is worlds apart.

Remember, I was surprised when I found you gawking at the possibilities in Givenchy the last time I was in town, the night I was feeling under the weather, and we ended up over at Tangalay together.

You are at least looking at the prospects in the New Givenchy. I don't ever remember you making the effort in the Old Givenchy in the past. I don't think I ever ran into you in the old Givenchy, NOT IN OVER FIVE YEARS...It was so uncharacteristic to find you in Givenchy, that it was akin to finding you in La Cava with Porker. So, there must be something to it!

[Member #3453]

USB: I've been to Givenchy a couple of times and I haven't seen anyone that resambles Laisha (Pasarelas name), Gina's sister.

Are you sure she is around?
I have to point out that Laisha is older than Gina and we are talking 3 and a half years, almost 4... as I recall Gina was 19-20 and Laisha was 22-23.

Are you dealing with a 26 year old????

It is quite possible that I am dealing with a 26 year old girl. You know how we have always talked about the older girls having a changed attitude. This one has "our" proper attitude, which really gives her away as being a little older than she was originally telling me. She has just a little wrinkled laugh line here or there, around the eyes, at the corners of the mouth, etc...still attractive, but it gives her away, meaning she is probably a little older than she told me, which if I remember correctly, she said she was 24. Of course, most of them like to shave a few years off of reality, so that would make her possibly 26. She was still also dealing with some acne, maybe it was caused by the makeup to a certain extent, or, even at 26 it is still something of an issue for them. It should be starting to clear up naturally. I have all but forgotten what it's like to be 26...perhaps my memory fades in my old age :D

She claims she is the sister to Gina. I have not seen her working at Givenchy before last month. And, when I looked for her on subsequent nights last month, she was not there. She was working the night shft, so you'll need to look for her later in the evening. I think it could very well be Laisha. I don't really know how she would have been so aware of where I was staying a few years ago otherwise, or that she would have specifically named Gina to me as my girlfriend from Pasarelas a couple of years ago. I did bring Gina back to the Best Western at Galeana about three years ago, but for the life of me, I don't remember doing it with Laisha. I'll send you her stage name at Givenchy via PM in case you want to look for her, along with her phone number. Maybe you can find out when she is working next and arrange to say hello to her for me, or you, or whomever. Maybe you can ask around to the waiters and find out if she's just a weekend warrior or if she's in there more frequently. When I looked for her again later in the week last month, she was not there. But, honestly, with my "G" girl with me each night, I am not really sure I spent the amount of time I would normally have spent trying to find her again, plus I had that terrible cold too. But, remember, she wasn't there on Thursday night when the two of us were there together later in the evening, the same night we left to go to Tangalay too. And, I had talked to her by phone earlier in the week, intending to meet her again, but my "G" girl finally came into the picture and there was no need. So, point being, I know Laisha's cell phone number is good and that it works.

I think she was pretty decent as a bar fine. I don't really feel like she is particularly "special" to me, at least not yet, not in the same sense as I have always protected my favorites. So, you are hereby free to molest her at will, not that you require my permission, but I know you are a good dude..."G" has told me of your concern for me, and your respect for my feelings. Although, I will probably regret giving Laisha to you because she did show very definite promise, and I believe she could be molded into a pretty good bar fine, a candidate for my own personal stash if I could solicit just a little more from her in proper response.

Actually too, in contrast to Gina, her attitude was not mercenary in the least with me. So, maybe the years are catching up to her. Afterall, one of the most mercenary of all time, Cindy #1, has turned over a new leaf with me lately, choosing instead to play along with all my little idiosyncrasies. Just another testimonial that they all have to come down off their pedestal sometime, and meet reality as their age progresses, becoming fatter, ugly, or both.

Don't misunderstand, Laisha was a good bar fine, but there were just a few adjustments that I would have to make to propel her to stardom according to the USB "Asia Girl" standard of performance. Unrealistic??? A sometimes Frustating Endeavor on my part? YES! Unsually Disappointing??? Perhaps!
But it keeps life in MTY interesting. :D

[Affligem]

Hi everyone,

I have read pages and pages of this Monterrey forum but did not find a list of GF hotels. I am looking for something close to the barrio antigua, price doesn't matter. I was thinking Crown Plaza, but the only hotel comment I found was about this hotel, and said it was NOT GF. Can you help?

Thanks!

[MonterreyDude]

GF hotels near the Barrio Antiguo will only be the Sheraton Ambassador.
No more.
The CP, the Radisson Ancira have very tight security. No visitors to the rooms.
Someone told me that the HoJo may permit girls inside but not always...





Hi everyone,

I have read pages and pages of this Monterrey forum but did not find a list of GF hotels. I am looking for something close to the barrio antigua, price doesn't matter. I was thinking Crown Plaza, but the only hotel comment I found was about this hotel, and said it was NOT GF. Can you help?

Thanks!

[Member #3453]

GF hotels near the Barrio Antiguo will only be the Sheraton Ambassador.
No more.
The CP, the Radisson Ancira have very tight security. No visitors to the rooms.
Someone told me that the HoJo may permit girls inside but not always...


There are only a few girl friendly hotels in all of MTY, and as Carlos indicated, most, 99.9%, of the luxury hotels DO NOT permit girls. The Barrio is a little out of your way with respect to being logistically close to ground zero and the clubs. If you have the option, and you want a good girlfriendly hotel, cheaper, and of course, more austere, but relatively comfortable for mongering sake, you can stay at Plaza Del Arco, located at Madero and Pino Suarez. It is within walking distance of the hotels, or about a 2 minute cab ride. They are totally girl friendly. If you stay near Barrio Antiguo, you will be about 15 minutes by taxi, depending on traffic, from ground zero and the clubs. Check my report in the Reports of Distinction section for additional logistical information, the one posted by Prokofiev. There may even be some information on GF hotels, but there aren't many to be had.

[Affligem]

Thanks for the hotel info, so only the Sheraton is an option it seems. I prefer to be close to the barrio antigua. Is renting an apartment for 4-5 days an option?

Thanks again!

[MonterreyDude]

The only one I know that offers suites by the day or week is this one:

http://www.dioh.com/suites/index.htm

Check it out.
By the way, did you get my maps Affligem???



Thanks for the hotel info, so only the Sheraton is an option it seems. I prefer to be close to the barrio antigua. Is renting an apartment for 4-5 days an option?

Thanks again!

[El Cabron 007]

Every year, on November 1st (All Saints Day) and 2nd (All Souls Day), something unique takes place in many areas of Mexico: Day of the Dead festivities. While it's strange for most of us to accept the fact that "death" and "festivities" can go hand-in-hand, for most Mexicans, the two are intricately entwined. This all stems from the ancient indigenous peoples of Mexico (Purepecha, Nahua, Totonac and Otomí) who believed that the souls of the dead return each year to visit with their living relatives - to eat, drink and be merry. Just like they did when they were living.

Día de los Muertos - It sounds so mysterious, Mexico's celebration for when dead relatives, both young and old, are allowed to return to the mortal world for two days to visit loved ones. Spirits coming down and walking among the living, sampling earthly treats and joining in the festival ... it sounds like a merry version of our Halloween holiday.

But instead of scarry goblins and blood curdling shrieks, the people in Mexico welcome the spirits of their families with the delicious smell of food in the air, tasty candies decorated like skulls, and lighted candles to guide them home again. Gravestones are decorated, and the whole family will gather in the graveyard to await and pay respects to the deceased.

http://www.mexonline.com/dayofthedead.htm

Wasted

[Porker]

Haven't read much here for awhile, behind on my homework, but some stuff:

Drink prices: YOUR beer will usually cost between $1.75 and 3 bucks, with the average at the mid-range clubs 2 bucks or less. Ladies' drinks range from 5-15 bucks usually. Be careful in the "higher class" places because girls often are brought a double drink whether you or the girl asked for it or not. Most customers are extreme pussies and won't say a word about this because they don't want their high-class prostitute to think they are cheap. These same guys almost NEVER get laid by those girls.

Sex prices: You can get laid in the massage places for 150-300 pesos. The sex ranges from average to bad. But for some here that are RAH RAH MTY, it surely IS a much better value than what you can get in the States. Sex in the truly private dances (not those conducted in a semi-private area like the medium-priced ripoff places specialize in) can be had from 20-30 bucks plus the cost of the privados. The girls you will find in even the lower end strip clubs can be quite attractive. USB has done a great job of talking about the costs of his "salidas" from the strip clubs. If you are willing to spend it, 150 bucks will get you some good GFE in MTY with a pretty hot girl.

Thanks to all of the guys here for keeping up their posts.

Re: Wasted's comment about MTY girls becoming "hardened pros", it all depends on your perspective. I'd bet most wouldn't seem that way to someone used to dropping 300-500 USD a day, but to ME, they make Asian girls look like altruistic SAINTS.

Re: girl friendly hotels, andybody ever stay at the Holiday Inn Express? With their parking lot setup, seems like it's be easy to get a girl to one's room without the front desk knowing anything. Of course, maybe they have parking lot security extorting bribes -- I've never stayed there, so I don't know.

[Precocious One]

After spending four days in Cancun with my GF, it was readily apparant after one strip club encounter the value Monterrey represents. 250 pesos for one partially-clothed privada and 3000 pesos for a one-shot F/S from about a seven. And it didn't get much better in Cozumel Isla. 2000 pesos for a gorda chica F/S accompanied by 40 pesos cervezas. I have no idea what the copa dama prices were and did not care to inquire. Absolutely unbelievable.

On the other hand, the local economy is poor. Rents there are 3000-3500 pesos for a 200 meter townhouse in a good neighborhood a little more than five miles from the action. It appeared to me that only some of the clubs/hotels are profitable and the rest barely making it if that due to overbuilding. The one I stayed at was in BK. Waiters in the non-corporate restaurants standing outside almost begging for business. My experiance is that Cancun could provide a good opportunity for non-pro GFE but absolutely atrocious for P4P.

[Member #3453]

Porker, check your email...I am back to MTY 9/29-10/6.

With respect to Asian girls, the only Asian girls these guys know of Porker, is the ones that have wildly, but attractively, deluted blood lines from ancestors that may have come to Mexico 150 years ago to do the labor that the Mexicanos would not do. Uhmmmm, dejavue...

They do not fully appreciate the "altruistic sainthood" that we know exists in Asia, verdad. It is NOT all price gentleman...but, admitedly, the travel time will kill ya.

I'm not complaining about my precious Mexicanas. Frankly, I prefer their looks, and the charm of their culture to all other nationalities...

BUT, and this a big BUT, it only took me SIX FRICKIN' YEARS to find (1) Mexicana that comes even remotely close in her delivery of attitude and attentiveness that is routinely available in Asia from 95% of the girls. But who's counting???

If I factor in the price points, travel time not withstanding, it just starts to make me cry, so I try not to think about it. :D Have a nice day :D Carlos, MJ...


Mill, as you say, living here as a local (as you are local in Morelia) really gives you the truely GFE some can only dream and others that only get a small sample.

Our friend Porker lives in Saltillo, 40 minutes away from Mty, a desert for his tastes so he used to come to Mty for fun.

Now he hoards money just to go to SEA for fun 3 times a year.
I do agree that SEA might be a paradise, but for those whose travel habits take them over there. SEA is to damn far away to do those trips as routine just for a couple of days of fun to justify that it is cheaper than Monterrey.

[MonterreyDude]

Speak for yourself USB... 6 years?
Me, it takes me just a couple of walks around the clubs to find one.
You should go for tall and ugly as I do... never fails.



Porker, check your email...I am back to MTY 9/29-10/6.

With respect to Asian girls, the only Asian girls these guys know of Porker, is the ones that have wildly, but attractively, deluted blood lines from ancestors that may have come to Mexico 150 years ago to do the labor that the Mexicanos would not do. Uhmmmm, dejavue...

They do not fully appreciate the "altruistic sainthood" that we know exists in Asia, verdad. It is NOT all price gentleman...but, admitedly, the travel time will kill ya.

I'm not complaining about my precious Mexicanas. Frankly, I prefer their looks, and the charm of their culture to all other nationalities...

BUT, and this a big BUT, it only took me SIX FRICKIN' YEARS to find (1) Mexicana that comes even remotely close in her delivery of attitude and attentiveness that is routinely available in Asia from 95% of the girls. But who's counting???

If I factor in the price points, travel time not withstanding, it just starts to make me cry, so I try not to think about it. :D Have a nice day :D Carlos, MJ...

[Member #3453]

Speak for yourself USB... 6 years?
Me, it takes me just a couple of walks around the clubs to find one.
You should go for tall and ugly as I do... never fails.

Ok, well, 6 years might be a slight exaggeration. You know me...I don't really exaggerate, right?

Only one problem with tall and ugly...It makes me short and stubby. :D

[Member #3453]

You can't say anything to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off...You are getting your share of cookies regardless of your misguided opinions and preferences. :D

We can continue this heated debate when I arrive. You can demonstrate to me how the girls of Mexico, and more specifically, how the girls of Morelia provide such an unbelievably superior experience. I am sincerely anticipating a vast selection of flaca morena, corn fed Morelianas. I am hoping to find something akin to my "G" girl, something from the country, wide eyed, infatuated with the Gringo, etc... :D

Nothing like a little pressure...hahahaha :D

Back to the argument at hand...

I mean, MJ, have you really looked at some photos of those HOT Thai girls...I mean comon' man. On a per capita basis, those Thai girls are HOT, HOT, HOT...Now, if you want to criticize the other Asian ethnic groups, I can sort of see your point, except there are some extremely HOT Philipinas in Manilla, extremely HOT...but overall, I can see what you mean with respect to many of the varied Asian ethnic classes. I probably agree with you. But, man, those HOT Thai girls....there are a ton of them.

Of course...between you and me, I would tread lightly on the Philipinas when making your comments. You know, Porker is kind of partial there, and well, I wouldn't want you to experience the full depth of Porker's creative writing abilities. Frankly, I warn you, he is perhaps our match with respect to a sharp tongue, and even to the extent of his being capable of very lengthy commentary as well. I know he doesn't demonstrate that capacity here, but take my word for it, he conducts himself in a very restrained manner here.

Frankly, I wish Porker was a little more on the offensive with respect to this debate. It could be very entertaining indeed :D

By the way MJ, Carlos just emailed me to say that the damned hotel we were booked at cancelled our reservation...something about being friends of yours :D Our not being important enough...I don't know.

Seriously, all kidding aside, we are looking for another hotel because they cancelled our reservation. So put together a list and let us know via email so we aren't bedding down in the streets, trying to carry on salidas in the middle of the streets of Morelia.


I don't want to say anything too controversial here because I don't want to risk Uno not bringing me cookies when he comes to Morelia, but...

Finding a good GFE (and I mean really good GFE) is a bit of a catch-22 situation because you're not going to get it if the chicas see you as a customer, but you'd never get to meet them unless you were a customer...Go figure! The only solution, as Carlos said, is either to set your standards lower and go for a less beautiful chica who knows she HAS to give better service than her stunner amigas OR get ready to work a chica for years in order to get what you want from her.

Whatever the case, though, you will never, ever see me in SEA for mongering. I'd rather have an expensive meal that tastes great than a bland meal that is very cheap and readily available.

[MonterreyDude]

Hotel is back in track....





You can't say anything to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off...You are getting your share of cookies regardless of your misguided opinions and preferences. :D

We can continue this heated debate when I arrive. You can demonstrate to me how the girls of Mexico, and more specifically, how the girls of Morelia provide such an unbelievably superior experience. I am sincerely anticipating a vast selection of flaca morena, corn fed Morelianas. I am hoping to find something akin to my "G" girl, something from the country, wide eyed, infatuated with the Gringo, etc... :D

Nothing like a little pressure...hahahaha :D

Back to the argument at hand...

I mean, MJ, have you really looked at some photos of those HOT Thai girls...I mean comon' man. On a per capita basis, those Thai girls are HOT, HOT, HOT...Now, if you want to criticize the other Asian ethnic groups, I can sort of see your point, except there are some extremely HOT Philipinas in Manilla, extremely HOT...but overall, I can see what you mean with respect to many of the varied Asian ethnic classes. I probably agree with you. But, man, those HOT Thai girls....there are a ton of them.

Of course...between you and me, I would tread lightly on the Philipinas when making your comments. You know, Porker is kind of partial there, and well, I wouldn't want you to experience the full depth of Porker's creative writing abilities. Frankly, I warn you, he is perhaps our match with respect to a sharp tongue, and even to the extent of his being capable of very lengthy commentary as well. I know he doesn't demonstrate that capacity here, but take my word for it, he conducts himself in a very restrained manner here.

Frankly, I wish Porker was a little more on the offensive with respect to this debate. It could be very entertaining indeed :D

By the way MJ, Carlos just emailed me to say that the damned hotel we were booked at cancelled our reservation...something about being friends of yours :D Our not being important enough...I don't know.

Seriously, all kidding aside, we are looking for another hotel because they cancelled our reservation. So put together a list and let us know via email so we aren't bedding down in the streets, trying to carry on salidas in the middle of the streets of Morelia.

[Precocious One]

You went to Cancun and surrounding areas on the low season, hurricane season as a matter of fact.

Am sure you got a 2x1 deal getting over there, right?

(if not, you blew it)

You have no idea of the amount of people that go in the Summer time (Americans, Argentinians, Europeans).

Forget Summer time, Christmas and New Years are booked and full by now... and the prices to pay!!!6200 pesos for two including flight, shuttle service to/from airport, ocean-view w/three nights including buffet breakfast. I don't think it can get much cheaper than that. Also, I did it on a moment's notice.

I believe that future mongers should definately consider Cancun as a possible locale for non-pro GF action and residency. The locale women there were as friendly as Monterrey and proficient English was a requirement for employment. Not to mention all the receptive women coming there to vacation with limited inhibitions, loose lips and spread legs.

[Porker]

Any of you bashing Asia without ever having gone their are exercising extreme stupidity. And as USB mentions, it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes. And I have seen the looks that some of you are calling "expensive meals", and all I gotta say about that is that DOG FOOD would probably be a very satisfying meal if you had never had anything better! Mexican prostitutes are really, really poor substitutes for their Asian sisters in any category you care to mention.

[DrBrew1]

Any of you bashing Asia without ever having gone their are exercising extreme stupidity. And as USB mentions, it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes. And I have seen the looks that some of you are calling "expensive meals", and all I gotta say about that is that DOG FOOD would probably be a very satisfying meal if you had never had anything better! Mexican prostitutes are really, really poor substitutes for their Asian sisters in any category you care to mention.It's never good to bash another location as all monger destinations have there good and bad points.As long as it works for you thats all that matters.

[Member #3453]

Yes, Porker, that should stir the pot nicely... :D So, well articulated and to the point.

Hear...hear...price is NOT the issue. It is entirely attitude and quality of experience.

Do you know how long it has taken me to find a handful of girls in Mexico that would compare to even the least of the selection in Asia with respect to attitude?

It has taken at least six years to find a handful in Mexico, when in just one night in Asia I could find five times that number working the bars in Angeles or Pattaya. It is a significant amount of work and potential aggravation to do so in Mexico, while it is totally painless to do so in Asia. They are falling out of the trees and from the sky in Asia. They are like blades of grass or grains of sand at the beach. You can NOT say that about Mexico.

Look how long it has taken me to cultivate GFE with my "G" girl...two frickin' years. MJ is right. It takes forever to find even a few good, reliable GFE girls in Mexico. In Asia, I would be having the almost identical GFE the same night we meet. GFE exists in Mexico. I have living proof of it. But, it's a lot of work in comparison.

Price is certainly a pleasant fringe benefit, but it is not what really distinguishes the two venues. And, while I sincerely appreciate the look of the young HOT Mexicana more than the average Asian girl, for reasons I have previously articulated, don't think that the Asian girls could not compete with them head to head in the looks department, perfect asses, cute faces, perfect hard bodies, charming personalities, and all.

If it's flaca, brown, bunnies...If it's spinners you like...there is an abundance in the PI, as well as many numerous Thai girls that are just as sexy and alurring as any Mexicana, and well into bar girl old age, over 25. Hell, I've seen grandmas in Asia that make some 25 year old bar girls in Mexico look pitiful. Asian girls age very graciously in comparison.


Any of you bashing Asia without ever having gone their are exercising extreme stupidity. And as USB mentions, it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes. And I have seen the looks that some of you are calling "expensive meals", and all I gotta say about that is that DOG FOOD would probably be a very satisfying meal if you had never had anything better! Mexican prostitutes are really, really poor substitutes for their Asian sisters in any category you care to mention.

[MonterreyDude]

Both Porker and USB agree in this: "it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes."

So now we've come to the point that price is not the issue.
Good. Glad to hear that.

Let me point one thing here. Porker still sacrifices the nearnes of Monterrey to the farness of SEA... that I will never understand now that we are clear on the "price is not the issue".

If price is not the issue, well am having one hell of a time over here.

USB: you have stopped understanding the game and you have been told 1000's of times by all of us. You have not adapted to the changing business over here in Monterrey, the rotation of girls has left you perplexed and you don't even try to readapt to all that happens around you.

Let me point out that recent emails are now showing hope that finally USB has understood that his renewed relationship to Cindy #1 is a total waste of time... the girl is dead wieght and instead of looking for new talent, USB spent tons of time wasting time on a crazy, selfdestructive ho.

I hope finally USB reinvents himself into a new generation of girls...





Any of you bashing Asia without ever having gone their are exercising extreme stupidity. And as USB mentions, it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes. And I have seen the looks that some of you are calling "expensive meals", and all I gotta say about that is that DOG FOOD would probably be a very satisfying meal if you had never had anything better! Mexican prostitutes are really, really poor substitutes for their Asian sisters in any category you care to mention.

[Member #3453]

Price is not the issue when considering attitude. Even when you pay through the nose, generally speaking, you do NOT get good attitude in Mexico. So, regardless of price, you can not spend enough to routinely get good attitude in Mexico. No, I will go even farther, you can not pay enough to even get mediocre attitude in Mexico in comparison.

So, in that respect, price is certainly a consideration, but not in the way you're looking at it. Meaning, you literally CAN NOT SPEND ENOUGH in Mexico to get comparable attitude to the girls in Asia, period. With respect to looks, HOT Asian girls are just as HOT as Mexicanas when comparing the two, and provided both are considered HOT.

With respect to my understanding the game, I only want to play the game on my own terms. If it means that I must throw gobs of money at hos that typically do not respond with good attitude, then I am just as satisfied sitting at the mall and drooling over the good girls all walk by. The result is virtually the same.

With respect to Cindy #1, just because Carlos does not like her doesn't mean that she isn't delivering the goods the way I like them delivered. Her delivery, and attitude, have been outstanding toward me lately, unlike many of her competitors in the bars.

If Carlos and Cindy #1 are biased against one another it is because the two perpetuate their little war. If neither side softens their attitude, the war just keeps perpetuating itself. Carlos refers to her as a "crazy, self destructive ho." They are all crazy, self destructive hos, verdad? It all boils down to whether they perform well. You would have me selecting fat and tall girls were I to leave it up to you. Instead, even with Cindy #1 being ever so slightly larger than her former self, she is still HOT, HOT, HOT, and TIGHT, TIGHT, TIGHT...and she delivers significant corino at this juncture.

Case in point, if I compare her to "J" in Prestige, a girl that I've spent money on with drinks, a girl that always "acts" but leaves me with blue balls, promises, stands me up, etc...then which of the two girls am I better off spending money and time with.

I am better off with Cindy #1. She shows up, stays long time, offers it free even if she knows I am a good guy and will pay her anyway, is glad to be there, is sexy, HOT, tight, beautiful breasts, good attitude, mucho corino, etc...

Now, I agree that there are other options out there that I might be better off using my time to find and cultivate. She is certainly not in the same category with me emotionally as my "G" girl. But, she is still a good bar fine, and a girl that is far superior, with me, than many, many, many, many, many, many other options. Need I be any more illustrative.

Carlos says "I hope finally USB reinvents himself into a new generation of girls..." NO, no, no, no...you have it all backwards. I am the client...the girls have to reinvent themselves to entice me, not the other way around.

You see, with that statement, you prove your point. It illustrates the work you must engage in with respect to Mexican girls.

In Asia, I do not have to even try, no reinvention, no effort, no big bucks, no no-shows, no problems, no disappointments...just total and complete satsifaction.







Both Porker and USB agree in this: "it's not even really price that's the factor, it's attitudes."

So now we've come to the point that price is not the issue.
Good. Glad to hear that.

Let me point one thing here. Porker still sacrifices the nearnes of Monterrey to the farness of SEA... that I will never understand now that we are clear on the "price is not the issue".

If price is not the issue, well am having one hell of a time over here.

USB: you have stopped understanding the game and you have been told 1000's of times by all of us. You have not adapted to the changing business over here in Monterrey, the rotation of girls has left you perplexed and you don't even try to readapt to all that happens around you.

Let me point out that recent emails are now showing hope that finally USB has understood that his renewed relationship to Cindy #1 is a total waste of time... the girl is dead wieght and instead of looking for new talent, USB spent tons of time wasting time on a crazy, selfdestructive ho.

I hope finally USB reinvents himself into a new generation of girls...

[Member #3453]

i am coming to morelia to discern the quality of selection, and of course, to make your acquaintance in person. but, since i am making that effort, you must now come to asia to dispell your preconceived biases, biases that, frankly, keep you from having a blast with asian girls. do not limit yourself with your own preconceived biases. it only serves to limit the fun you can have.

my friend, all asian girls do not look like yoko ono. there are many really hot options. i agree with you that latinas are the favored nationality. they would, imho, on a per capita basis, probably walk away with the title if they only had a decent attitude.

but, believe me, there are tons and tons of hot asian girls. and, it's not that they "act" mindless or that they are simply cum recepticals to be ravished like a blow up doll. that is a very inaccurate assessment, one that keeps you "mired in morelia." no, you must expand your horizons...

in fact you must focus literally on the horizon, literally...get out of morelia and take an relaxing, comfortable, short and cheap, 26 hour plane ride to the orient as soon as you have the chance, verdad?

hey, that might be a good title for a trip report, "mired in morelia" :d

hopefully not...i'm sure that will not be the case...but, the title amuses me. don't worry, if i post in the morelia section, i'll be a good boy...i promise.

no, i am looking forward to finding some good chicas in morelia, and i have a totally open mind, and a restless heart. i am giddy at the thought of experiencing some good prospective gfes :d

back to the debate at hand...

the asian girls are just as engaging, just as hot, just as charming in every way, especially the philipinas. imho, the philipinas are probably the closest comparison to the mexicanas with respect to ethinic similarity, but of course, at a fifth of the price for 12 times the amount of time, and then some.

they are so abundantly available in the bars, that they are like the grains of sand at the beach, certainly more numerous a selection than even in the abundant numbers of girls working the clubs of monterrey. plus, the philipinas even speak relatively fluent ingles, unlike their counterparts that live right next to the usa.

and, interestingly, the idea articulated by carlos that my showing my "g" girl photos of her competition in asia, he believing that it would only serve to make her believe that she was rescuing me from the ethnic underclass, in reality served to make her even more attentive.

i have some more photos of the girls in thailand that i'll bring with me this trip. these are hot, hot, hot girls. she will be totally jealous. i expect i will be the victim of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) many times over as a result of her insecurities. :d


porker...

i guess it all comes down to taste. i have very rarely seen an asian girl who has appealed to me physically. just not my thing. many mexican girls are also not my thing...but take the hottest latin girl and stack her up to the hottest asian girl and there's absolutely no debate who comes out on top...at least in my opinion. i think as mongers we all have "our thing" and no amount of nay-saying can change our minds. it's not stupidity to not go somewhere when the chicas just don't appeal to them. would you go to a chinese restaurant when you don't like chinese food?

and, therefore, a 24-hour flight across the globe does not hold any interest for me when what i want is just at arms length. duh!

and with regard to the submissive attitude that many like in sea...also not my thing. i like to bite a chica that will bite me back. i want a real, live human being and not a blank-headed sperm depository who would probably eat that dog food if you gave it to them...again, just my personal tastes.

have fun

[MonterreyDude]

USB say: "I hope finally USB reinvents himself into a new generation of girls..." NO, no, no, no...you have it all backwards. I am the client...the girls have to reinvent themselves to entice me, not the other way around.
You see, with that statement, you prove your point. It illustrates the work you must engage in with respect to Mexican girls.
In Asia, I do not have to even try, no reinvention, no effort, no big bucks, no no-shows, no problems, no disappointments...just total and complete satsifaction"

You so wrong here.
The girls do not care to adapt to customers, they never had. That is one of the things that Porker well justifies his disatisfaction with Monterrey.
And I still wonder why you still bring the SEA up, when you are unable to travel over there.
Of course you might go, like once each every other year, but that puts you on the side that the expense and effort are not worth the trip.

And again, you are stuck to the past, when we have talked and I have read that things are changing rapidly over there, with prices going up and the girls changing their style of work.

And Cindy #1.
One of these whe is going to stab you again in the back.
And the J girl at the Prestige.
How many times must you be told that she is married, even if she tells you that she is not? She is good company at the Prestige, but you expect so much from her....








Price is not the issue when considering attitude. Even when you pay through the nose, generally speaking, you do NOT get good attitude in Mexico. So, regardless of price, you can not spend enough to routinely get good attitude in Mexico. No, I will go even farther, you can not pay enough to even get mediocre attitude in Mexico in comparison.

So, in that respect, price is certainly a consideration, but not in the way you're looking at it. Meaning, you literally CAN NOT SPEND ENOUGH in Mexico to get comparable attitude to the girls in Asia, period. With respect to looks, HOT Asian girls are just as HOT as Mexicanas when comparing the two, and provided both are considered HOT.

With respect to my understanding the game, I only want to play the game on my own terms. If it means that I must throw gobs of money at hos that typically do not respond with good attitude, then I am just as satisfied sitting at the mall and drooling over the good girls all walk by. The result is virtually the same.

With respect to Cindy #1, just because Carlos does not like her doesn't mean that she isn't delivering the goods the way I like them delivered. Her delivery, and attitude, have been outstanding toward me lately, unlike many of her competitors in the bars.

If Carlos and Cindy #1 are biased against one another it is because the two perpetuate their little war. If neither side softens their attitude, the war just keeps perpetuating itself. Carlos refers to her as a "crazy, self destructive ho." They are all crazy, self destructive hos, verdad? It all boils down to whether they perform well. You would have me selecting fat and tall girls were I to leave it up to you. Instead, even with Cindy #1 being ever so slightly larger than her former self, she is still HOT, HOT, HOT, and TIGHT, TIGHT, TIGHT...and she delivers significant corino at this juncture.

Case in point, if I compare her to "J" in Prestige, a girl that I've spent money on with drinks, a girl that always "acts" but leaves me with blue balls, promises, stands me up, etc...then which of the two girls am I better off spending money and time with.

I am better off with Cindy #1. She shows up, stays long time, offers it free even if she knows I am a good guy and will pay her anyway, is glad to be there, is sexy, HOT, tight, beautiful breasts, good attitude, mucho corino, etc...

Now, I agree that there are other options out there that I might be better off using my time to find and cultivate. She is certainly not in the same category with me emotionally as my "G" girl. But, she is still a good bar fine, and a girl that is far superior, with me, than many, many, many, many, many, many other options. Need I be any more illustrative.

Carlos says "I hope finally USB reinvents himself into a new generation of girls..." NO, no, no, no...you have it all backwards. I am the client...the girls have to reinvent themselves to entice me, not the other way around.

You see, with that statement, you prove your point. It illustrates the work you must engage in with respect to Mexican girls.

In Asia, I do not have to even try, no reinvention, no effort, no big bucks, no no-shows, no problems, no disappointments...just total and complete satsifaction.

[MonterreyDude]

usb: "and, interestingly, the idea articulated by carlos that my showing my "g" girl photos of her competition in asia, he believing that it would only serve to make her believe that she was rescuing me from the ethnic underclass, in reality served to make her even more attentive.
i have some more photos of the girls in thailand that i'll bring with me this trip. these are hot, hot, hot girls. she will be totally jealous. i expect i will be the victim of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) many times over as a result of her insecurities."

excuse me i didn't show her any pictures. you did, not me.
and this comment "her insecurities".
see? you jump into conlusions that are not there.
one week away from here usb, is like a century to them business wise.
the boob job she had has changed her a lot...





i am coming to morelia to discern the quality of selection, and of course, to make your acquaintance in person. but, since i am making that effort, you must now come to asia to dispell your preconceived biases, biases that, frankly, keep you from having a blast with asian girls. do not limit yourself with your own preconceived biases. it only serves to limit the fun you can have.

my friend, all asian girls do not look like yoko ono. there are many really hot options. i agree with you that latinas are the favored nationality. they would, imho, on a per capita basis, probably walk away with the title if they only had a decent attitude.

but, believe me, there are tons and tons of hot asian girls. and, it's not that they "act" mindless or that they are simply cum recepticals to be ravished like a blow up doll. that is a very inaccurate assessment, one that keeps you "mired in morelia." no, you must expand your horizons...

in fact you must focus literally on the horizon, literally...get out of morelia and take an relaxing, comfortable, short and cheap, 26 hour plane ride to the orient as soon as you have the chance, verdad?

hey, that might be a good title for a trip report, "mired in morelia" :d

hopefully not...i'm sure that will not be the case...but, the title amuses me. don't worry, if i post in the morelia section, i'll be a good boy...i promise.

no, i am looking forward to finding some good chicas in morelia, and i have a totally open mind, and a restless heart. i am giddy at the thought of experiencing some good prospective gfes :d

back to the debate at hand...

the asian girls are just as engaging, just as hot, just as charming in every way, especially the philipinas. imho, the philipinas are probably the closest comparison to the mexicanas with respect to ethinic similarity, but of course, at a fifth of the price for 12 times the amount of time, and then some.

they are so abundantly available in the bars, that they are like the grains of sand at the beach, certainly more numerous a selection than even in the abundant numbers of girls working the clubs of monterrey. plus, the philipinas even speak relatively fluent ingles, unlike their counterparts that live right next to the usa.

and, interestingly, the idea articulated by carlos that my showing my "g" girl photos of her competition in asia, he believing that it would only serve to make her believe that she was rescuing me from the ethnic underclass, in reality served to make her even more attentive.

i have some more photos of the girls in thailand that i'll bring with me this trip. these are hot, hot, hot girls. she will be totally jealous. i expect i will be the victim of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) many times over as a result of her insecurities. :d

[Member #3453]

i am moving this to the usb section, where you will find a plethera of ideas and rebuttal... :d



usb: "and, interestingly, the idea articulated by carlos that my showing my "g" girl photos of her competition in asia, he believing that it would only serve to make her believe that she was rescuing me from the ethnic underclass, in reality served to make her even more attentive.
i have some more photos of the girls in thailand that i'll bring with me this trip. these are hot, hot, hot girls. she will be totally jealous. i expect i will be the victim of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) many times over as a result of her insecurities."

excuse me i didn't show her any pictures. you did, not me.
and this comment "her insecurities".
see? you jump into conlusions that are not there.
one week away from here usb, is like a century to them business wise.
the boob job she had has changed her a lot...

[Precocious One]

Ran into a new club last night but didn't remember it's name. It is across the street from Partegon(?) next to the hooker no-tell and the taco stand. A stone's throw away from Infinito on the same side of the street. It is very small and the stage is a circular one-hooker platform about 3feet x 3feet. The place could probably only occupy a maximum of 60 people.

There were about 15 hoes in the place of which 5 were doable. I passed the time with a 20-year-old, six-foot tall blonde with a very, very nice body and a pretty face. A very strong seven if not an eight. 60 peso copa damas and 15 peso beers. After my Cancun experience, this was a welcoming change. Anyway, she claimed that she was previously employed at Paseralas and came here to help start up the new club if you can even call it that. The privadas and salidas take place upstairs and you need to exit the club to get there. 3 x 100 pesos for the privadas and she qouted me 250 pesos/half hour and 400 pesos/one hour for F/S.

Have fun.

[Member #3453]

i made the rounds last night, el infinito, el ceilo, givenchy, tangalay, pasarelas, and i peeked into veibes, but there was only one girl on stage, a fat one, so i moved on. but, it was still early then, probably no later than 7:30pm. veibis is an easy place to scope out on the way walking to el cielo, so why not. but, last night, it was totally disappointing. but, checking it out can't hurt. i do not endorse it, but it is painless to check it, so i did.

i did have a couple of privados with a new girl in el cielo. she had a pretty hard body, but didn't do salidas, so i let her go after the second one. with those kinds of answers about doing privados, typically it's usually because the girl doesn't know you, and she is just being careful. there are vestal virgins of course, but i find that usually it's just a stall until they feel comfortable that you are a safe bet. usually, if i return to patronize them several times, i find that they are willing to go with little or no provocation.

i also had another privado with my "g" girl's twin, "c." she is smaller than my "g" girl, but many mistake her for "g." but, really, if you analyse their body types, she is much smaller built. she has the same facial structure, etc...but, they are really two very different body types, especially now in light of "g"s boob job. i also found it interesting that "c" had colored her hair to be a dishwater blondish color, perhaps attempting to distinguish herself from "g." it is common knowledge in el infinito that the two girls, at first glance, are commonly mistaken as the same girl, especially prior to "gs" alterations.

the "c'" girl was much friendlier to me this time in the privados. i asked her why she was so afraid of me before, and she told me that she didn't know my personality then, and that she wondered if i was a bad hombre. uhhhhm, curious statement coming from here. but, this time, she was very sweet, very comfortable, and she showed some promise. but, again, she also claimed not to go on salida. so, the downside to spending time and effort on some girls is not really knowing whether they are just reluctant about going until they know you, or whether they truly are vestal virgins. i will probably keep working on her. i am very careful just to talk to her in the privados and not to do too much because i don't need the complications with respect to my "g" girl, both of them being on the same shift in the same bar. it just isn't worth wasting what is inherent in my "g" girl with respect to performance versus what is an unknown potential in the "c" girl look alike. speaking of my "g" girl...

i tried to find my "g" girl, called both at her house and her cell, but no answer. and, no texts from her yesterday at all, the first time in five weeks. she has texted me daily, sometimes numerous times, ever since i left last time. she was not at work. we had planned to meet, and i know she would have been there if possible. i believe she may have had to run down to san luis potosi. she had told me that she may be moving closer to the city, which would make our logistics so much easier, so perhaps she engaged in the move. i noticed that she texted me the last week or so saying she had a lot of work she was engaged in. anyway, it's no big deal, because i know i'll see her later in the week.

frankly, her absence provides me an opportunity to search for some additional talent. i checked the clubs last night, not really intending to bar fine a girl, but i did find one on the night shift at el infinito. i think wastedg probably bar fined her before. when we were in the privados, she asked me my name...and i told her "my name was wastededg, only his real name of course."

now, i did this for two reasons...one, i figured that if i bar fined her, she would remember me as "wastedg," and that if i was discrete in paying the salida, remaining well under the radar by laying low, there would be less of a possibility that my "g" girl would find out about it. i was there at late night, 2am. i know word travels fast in the same bar, but i decided that this girl was just a little too dull witted to cause me any problems, provided i was discrete in bar fining her. so, i kept my seat, laid low as she got changed, left very quickly after she came down, and i do not believe i was witnessed leaving by any blabber mouths, like angry girl for example. plus, the manager that is usually there was no longer on duty at 2am, so i dealt with a new manager that i was formerly unfamiliar with, although he did seem to recognize me. i believe he actually vouched for me as this new girl inquired about my paying for a salida.

anyway, my conversation continued with this new girl in the privados...

she said she has an amigo named wastedg, a gringo, living in the us. i asked, "ah, where does he live," and she replied "in the state of xxxx," my same state, hahahahaha....i decided that wastedg had used my state of residence, but given her his real name. she asked me where i live, and i told her "i live in xxxx," the state where wastedg lives :d

i had never met this girl before, but i know wastedg frequents that night shift more lately than every before. i decided that the chances of another guy coming into el infinito and meeting this girl, and telling her he is from my same state, and she remembering him, and the state, unless he is a regular, is just too much a coincidence. i decided that it had to be a regular visitor, and i just imagined that it was our favorite wastedgman...

to my knowledge, i believe we are among a very distinct group of regular gringo visitors to mty, and the likelihood that she would remember a gringo from my state, and with his name, was too over the top for me to think it was anything else but my amigo :-))))) but, maybe not....but, the likelihood was close enough that i had to laugh when she was telling me all this.

anyway, the subject of salidas came up...

she first tried to get me to pay 1500 pesos, but i just refused, telling her no. then, she worked to get me to take she and her friend, 1500 pesos each plus the bar fine for each....that would have been about 3700 pesos, "no...comon,' give me a break, ok?" then, i told her i only had 1000 pesos. then she said that i had to pay her up front. i said that i would pay the salida to the bar, 350 pesos, and that i would pay her afterward.

she would not do it. she insisted i pay her first. that is in the usb general order manual, do not pay them up front. well, as far as i was concerned, i was not going to pay her first. i suggested that i would pay the salida to the bar, and pay her cut to the manager, and that she would have to return to the bar at 5am to get her money.

this is the commonly accepted procedure. in fact, it is the procedure that most of you will endure if you bar fine a girl from el infinito. you will generally have to pay the whole fee up front to the management to hold for the girl upon her return when she shows up to pick up her salary, your fee included in her nightly pay.

i had gotten away from this procedure because most of the girls know me, and they agree to be paid afterward. so, usually all i have to do is pay the salida fee to the bar, and i can settle up with the girls afterward.

so, the girls will usually allow me to pay them afterward, but full payment to the bar is also a very common procedure for most. you will also have to produce an official id of come kind. in my case, i use my visa because it has very minimal information, omitting your address information etc...the bars accept it as official id because if it's good enough for mexican immigration, they figure it's good enough for them. the visa issued through airline travel is very brief with information about you, and it's better than giving them some other more detailed id.

i didn't have good feelings about bar fining this one from the beginning, but i was getting tired, and i decided that i needed to give another girl an opportunity to make it onto the usb "approved providers list," even though i was skeptical from the beginning, and really should listen to that little voice in my head instead of my pants.

i told her i would only pay a total of 1350 pesos, and to forget it otherwise. when we finally left the privados, i thought we had decided that we would not be going on salida, but she sat me in a chair at the foot of the stairway to the privados, and told me to hold on, "un moment, por forvor."

at this, i decided that she sensed her opportunity was quickly slipping away, and that she didn't want this fish to swim off. so, she conferred with her boss about payment terms, told her novia we were leaving on salida, remember, she told me she was bi-sexual, and she went to get changed.

anyway, imho, in the final analysis, she was a total disaster...but, a nice likeable girl. she asked me why i did not like my time with her. she was just one of those that is too damned much work. you know, you have to work too hard to get her worked up, then she is too ticklish here or there, or she is too embarrassed, or she is this, or she is that, or time is ticking away and she needs to return to the bar, etc...

anyway, she was very sweet, but just too much fuckin' work. she liked the pocket rocket, and she was constantly kissing me, and telling me she liked me, "oh, me amor, tu ojos, tu eres mi novio verdad...etc." so, from that perspective, i think she liked me, but she was just too much aggravation. she was very affectionate, very gfe and demonstrative toward me in affectionate ways, but there is a lot more to a successful equation than just carino in order for gfe to kick in. if the gfe kicks in the legitimate sexual passion follows nicely. this girl lacked sexual passion. she had plenty of affectionate passion, perfect realy, but no sexual passion.

that is what distinguishes the good girls from the disappointments. i sat with her on the bed afterward, and told her she was just too young, that she did not know how to deliver sex the proper way, with gfe, and that i was looking for something better than all the damned mfs in the clubs. how is that for balls??? quite the cabrone, verdad???

but, frankly, i am damned sick and tired of paying 1350 pesos, five privados, and not getting "g" girl performance levels....it's that simple. i am with my "g" girl for a reason...and, while all on isg like to accuse me of wanting to have a legitimate relationship with a bar girl, i am merely wanting to have the best potential outcome in return for my money. whether i am attached to her emotionally is of little consequence one way or the other because intellectually i am in total control of my behaviors.

the fact that i like my "g" girl, or even that i love her, and/or more accurately love the legitimacy of her affections, does not mean i am intending to have a legit relationship with her. my liasons with her consist of times in the hotel room, in restaurants, in las tiendas very infrequently, at the movies occassionally, occassional conversations long distance by cell phone, and numerous text messages.

we are close, but i am not contemplating a legit arrangement with her. it's just that we are close, amigos romanticos, friends, help mates, horny for each other, etc...simply put, there is an intensity to our relationship that exceeds the norm, and one well worth paying to enjoy. we do care for each other, and i believe her feelings are legit, but it stops there. we both know it can be nothing more, nor do i want it, nor should it be. so, to set that record straight, i am not having, nor do i desire a "legitimate" relationship with a bar girl, i do desire a legitimate "affair" with a bar girl.

but, this girl last night, in comparison to my "g" girl, is what has me aggravated about most of the bar fines in mty. so, is it any wonder i seek out and wish to preserve, or hord, a girl like my "g" girl that is particularly well suited to my preferences? i think not. and, after last night, and after knowing better than to waste my money on some of them, i not only think not, i know not.

anyway, with respect to this new girl at el infinito, i decided that if asked, i am entitled to the privelege, and have paid sufficiently for the legitimate justification to tell her in a caring and gentle manner, where her performance is lacking. i feel that after having paid the money, she is obligated to listening to a kindly delivered, fatherly critique of her shitty delivery skills. i was very caring when i told her she wasn't worth a shit. but, she asked me why...so i told her.

i did not bring it up, she did. she knew i wasn't happy, but i am always amiable and laid-back, not confrontational, not abusive, not cold, or anything like that. i am always still very friendly and kind to them, even when i have just spent 1350 pesos for something that i could just as easily performed more satisfactorily with my hand.

she listened intently, asking questions. she gave me her number and asked me to call her today, to give her another chance. i told her i would have to make her a charity case, that she was going to take a lot of work, that she had much to learn, but that she would have to loosen up a lot, or i am done with her.

i told her nicely, warmly, at least as warmly as i could, as a nice guy, but sometimes the truth has a very stark reality. we were still friends after i told her, and i think she saw a potential pay check flying away in the wind if she didn't turn it around. i had told her how i am back her every month, and that i have the money. but, i told her if she wants me to call her, things have to change.

i told her she knew how to have sex, but she did not know how to make love, and that i would have to teach her. i told her that she was only 19 years old, and that i suspected that she had never had sex with a man with any depth of feeling, and that it would take a lot of learning on her part for her to see beyond the mechanical delivery of sex. i told her that i am not sure she has the ability to comprehend yet at her young, impetuous age.

that is what distinguishes me from other dudes, my demand for the gfe, and it is also what distinguishes my best girls from other bar girls when making my assessments of their quality of delivery. they either get it or they don't, and if they don't, they are either salvageable or not. this one may not be salvageable.

i am skeptical, but i'm willing to give her one more chance. i took the time to explain what i want from a bar fine, and what i expect. she really seemed to like the idea of that, it being much more romantic a scenario than she is used to when delivering sex in the privados. problem is, she doesn't know how to be a good girlfriend...what a damned shame. do mexican dudes find decent girlfriends here in mexico??? i am honestly beginning to wonder.

does it sound like i am damanding??? damned straight....i am paying big money by world standards for 1.5 hours of disappointment. don't misunderstand, i am not this direct with the girls that disappointement me. but, you guys here need to know the depth of my disgust at the available competent range of selection in comparison to some other venues.

now, part of this is my own fault for not listening to the little voice in my head instead of....but, who knows, maybe i can mold her into something worth a damned.

she told me that she wanted to come back to see me tonight, and that if i would call her, she would come to my hotel at 3pm to 8pm tomorrw, that she would stay five hours with me, and that she wanted to see me again, to talk, and to have some fun, and to learn what i like. she said she was limited to the two hours by her manager tonight, but that she wanted to come back to see me long time. she suggested that she could return to spend the night. then, of course, she asked for some taxi money to return after she gets off, hahahahah, you gotta love-em for trying, verdad? but, then after suggesting that she would return to sleep with me all night, she decided that she would be better off coming the following day.

well, that's a start...we'll see if she can be molded. but, shit, i don't have unlimited time, and unlimited damned funds to throw away on amateurs. a lot of these girls here in mty are a poor excuse for a professional hooker. that is the issue.

why is it that i have to teach some girls how to fuck with gfe feeling, feeling that is so easily procured in other worldwide venues???. i told her "ok," with a smirk on my face, that i would call her the next day...as if to say "you are a lot of damned work...this is a fuckin' nuisance." there are too many other options out there waiting to be discovered. i only have so much time. i am going to have to send the message that she not waste my time. she gets one more chance. that's it.

this is the perfect example of why i am so critical of mexican bar girls, and not of asian bar girls. in asia, this kind of experience is very, very, infrequent, period...there is very little bullshit, and i am growing increasingly intolerant of girls that are amateur hookers.

don't misunderstand, i know i sound ticked off, but i am very sweet to the girls, even when i am delivering the death blow. i would never make them feel bad. i always deliver the truth with as much tenderness as possible. but, afterall, i am the one paying, and i am out the 1350 pesos.

she insisted that she give me her phone number about three times during the full course of the two hours we were together, and the last time she was really concerned that i have it. so, i got a pen out of my briefcase and had her write it for me. her real name is kristal...her stage name starts with an "s." she is a dishwater blonde, pretty hot body, 19 years old, plain face, but one that i could eventually learn to love.

she has, imho, very sexy tits. she kind of has the tits of a 14 year old girl, not that i would know such things with any direct knowledge (seriously), but suffice it to say they are very nubile indeed, and of relatively decent sized. i would say maybe about 32-34s, but very sexy shape, very perky, and of course, her ass is nice and small and round too. she has one child, so she has just an ever so slight pounch there, not washboard flat abs, but close enough to original perfection to still look pretty hot.

carlos, she is bi-sexual, and she wanted me to take her girlfriend with us last night. i told her i would give her a test drive tonight, and that if she worked out, i would book the two of them this week.

i promise to take photos of them if i do get them to my hotel room this week...

i did take a few good photos of this girl posing nude, so i will show them to you this week carlos. she assured me that she was bi-sexual, and that she is still attracted to men, even if she has a novia. based on her demonstrative affections, i think she is attracted to men, at least she convinced me she was attracted to me, even if her delivery of sex itself requires a lot more work. she was a good kisser, and in that respect, she may have promise with respect to gfe. but, she is going to take a lot of work.

but, i also think that it could be interesting to take a couple of gay girls back to my hotel for fun and games. i'll see if i have the time to do it this week. maybe i can book it without paying the salida fees. i have her number and i think she would set it up with no problem whatsoever with her novia. i think they crave it in fact.

anyway, it was kind of an aggravating endeavor, but maybe i can mold her into something decent. i did it with "t" at givenchy last time. she started out slowly but simmered into a cat in heat. i did not see her working at givenchy this time either. i did visit most of the clubs several times so i could assess the afternoon and night shift selections. but, no "t" (gina's sister). i did text her last week, and she said she wanted to go on salida. so, i might followup with her on her cell phone for some action outside of work. she texted that she is off on mondays. i will check for her again tonight in givenchy.

earlier in the evening i had visited givenchy and taken "c" into the privados. she is my old friend there, possibly a vestal virgin, but last night she agreed to see me outside, after my having visited with her in the privados now for several visits. she is one that i've been working on. now, when she sees me, she at least has a big trusting smile. before, she had told me that she had a boyfriend, didn't go out, etc...

i decided that she might not feel comfortable, that maybe she didn't know me, and was just reluctant with respect to the dangers of going on salidas. or, who knows, maybe she has a boyfriend waiter in the bar or something. last night she was really much more receptive, telling me she does not have a boyfriend, but still not agreeing to go on salida.

but, then, after we talked a while, she said that she would like to go with me, but that she couldn't go until friday night. so, she made me promise to get her friday night. she is kind of "g" girl look alike, but not nearly the hard body. but, she is morena, a slightly flabby pounch, and has a cute smile, and a nice disposition...she may have potential. she is not as much a hotty as some, but being cute as a button makes up for any detractors.

i checked out pasarelas, and i sat with a fat bottomed girl, a little older and heaver than i like, but she was sweet so i bought her a drink. she finally had to dance in the rotation, which was four stages wide last night. so, i told her i had to leave, that i didn't have time to wait that long for her to get done with all the dance ques. i only saw two familiar girls in pasarelas last night. i was approached by four girls that knew me, and wanted cookies and dulces, which i graciously distibuted, but only one of them was doable.

she is probably a little taller than i generally fall for, but she has a nice face, and i like her personality. i will check her out further, time permitting. as we were just getting acquainted, she had to leave to enter the dance que also, this being prior to my having a chance to buy her a drink and really get to charm her and visa versa. with four stages, it's akin to entering an abis of no return. so, i wrote her off as being busy for at least 40 minutes or more as she works her way through to each stage to dance.

so, that is last night's escapades....more to follow tomorrow.

[Precocious One]

Wasted-

My bank (Chase) refunded my money and I have pretty much concluded that my info was probably stolen at the Banamex ATM in Colonial Del Valle next to the Gigante. I still have my card, no one has my PIN and the withdrawal was for the exact amount I normally withdraw. I forgot the town's name they took the money out of but it was about two hours from Mexico City.

[Precocious One]

"DO NOT PAY THEM UP FRONT."

I try not to pay for ANYTHING up front. Ever. Having done business in the most litigious, narcissistic and acquisitve state in the entire US, life to me is just one big drug deal.

[MonterreyDude]

There are a couple of things here... you are withelding the money thinking that way you'll get a better service???
You are pretty wrong there.

And if you get a bad service... what?
You are not going to pay?

I just don't get it... what is the difference of paying up front or later???

I mean, you have to pay... if you don't pay, you are pretty getting into deep trouble next time they see you around.




"DO NOT PAY THEM UP FRONT."

I try not to pay for ANYTHING up front. Ever. Having done business in the most litigious, narcissistic and acquisitve state in the entire US, life to me is just one big drug deal.

[Member #3453]

The fees are NOT paid up front as a general practice in most parts of the world, with the exception of the fees paid to the house for their cut only.

Frankly, they will all gladly take your payment up front, but here in Mexico in the clubs, is a rarity for me. I am almost never made to pay the house the full fee if I tell them I will pay the girl afterward. But, remember, they will always take your money. I always explain to the girl in advance that I have the money to pay the house, and that their cut is in my hotel room, period. If they want to earn the money, they can take the plunge.

I do not pay the house the full fee at El Infinito, El Cielo, or Pasarelas. But, the standard practice seems to be to pay the full fee at Matehuala, and some other clubs. So, there IS NO standard anything. The rules are left up to the managers. If the girl wants the money, you simply inform her that she will be paid upon completion,and most of the managers will go along with that if you don't throw your money at them...Paying for salidas is something I know a hell of a lot about. The only way I would ever choose to pay a girl upfront, is to pay her through the management so she realizes that she does not have the money in the bag quite yet. It is a psychological advantage for you as a monger to control the money.

Frankly, I prefer to hold the psychological cards rather than part with my money with no degree of "influence" being present whatsoever. Oh, the stories I could tell about the wisdom of holding the money in your possession until you are at least partially satisfied with the outcome.

It has nothing to do with whether you are actually intending to pay. It has everything to do with playing the psychological game, negotiating your position when she is wanting to get lazy, or trying to run a game on you by cutting time or using some BS excuse to hold back this or that. With the lazy ones, while they are acting up, you simply tell them that you are paying for their performance, and that they have yet to be paid. Most of them will jump on the band wagon rather than have you hit the frickin' roof over poor performance issues, or worse yet, take your complaints to their bosses where they will have to answer to their behavior.

Once she is paid, you have nothing to bargain with when she won't deliver the promised goods. It simply gives you an opportunity to pursuade her during the course of her stay with you, the merits in delivering to your expectations. The threat of non-payment is always a psychological motivator. Plus, you have the threat of making a scene with their boss over your complaint, the nasty propsect of they having to address an escalated confrontation with a client in front of their manager.

I don't say that you should attempt to stiff them, but that you should keep yourself in a bargaining position at all times until you are relatively satisfied.
I have had a number of them that are a total disaster in Monterrey...I just got done with one from the night shift at El Infinito. I will relate the detail of that story soon, and you will not believe it. And, you will not believe how I handled it, and how much it cost me to handle it with and eye to the future. She was paid in full...and for NO SEX. The situation dictates the tactic.

And, with respect to getting your money back. Don't forget that I did that exact same thing at the Old Givenchy when the girl delivered poor service. I saw the manager of the bar, and while they would not part with their salida fee, they DID impose on the girl to make a refund, which she did.

So, while it is not common, getting them to hold the girl to some reasonable standard of performance is possible because I personally did it. I don't say it's common, but it is doable. Now, imagine if you showed up at the club, not having paid the girl, and they know you are a regular, and a good customer, one of credibility with respect to your long standing record of being a buen cleinte, and you complained about her service, and could back it up, such as I did at Givenchy. You would be in a much better position to bargain with the manager, and appeal to his business sense, hopefully so he will intervene on your behalf with the girl, just as the manager did for me at Givenchy, pursuading her that she was wrong, and that she should make it, if not completely right, then at least partially right.

They do have some leverage with the girls that are under their employ. And, provided you can back up your claims, and provided you have credibility in the bars, your reputation can be of immense value in getting the bars to intervene on your behalf with some influence over the girls.

But, again, it isn't with any intention of holding back their payment in the end unless service is just absolutely horrible or mis-represented. It is more a matter of psychology, which I have been preaching here from day one, and a subject that seems to be given little or no legitimate consideration on the boards.

Psychology is the key to everything, and that includes P4P in spades.


There are a couple of things here... you are withelding the money thinking that way you'll get a better service???
You are pretty wrong there.

And if you get a bad service... what?
You are not going to pay?

I just don't get it... what is the difference of paying up front or later???

I mean, you have to pay... if you don't pay, you are pretty getting into deep trouble next time they see you around.

[Precocious One]

The fees are NOT paid up front as a general practice in most parts of the world, with the exception of the fees paid to the house for their cut only.

Frankly, they will all gladly take your payment up front, but here in Mexico in the clubs, is a rarity for me. I am almost never made to pay the house the full fee if I tell them I will pay the girl afterward. But, remember, they will always take your money. I always explain to the girl in advance that I have the money to pay the house, and that their cut is in my hotel room, period. If they want to earn the money, they can take the plunge.

I do not pay the house the full fee at El Infinito, El Cielo, or Pasarelas. But, the standard practice seems to be to pay the full fee at Matehuala, and some other clubs. So, there IS NO standard anything. The rules are left up to the managers. If the girl wants the money, you simply inform her that she will be paid upon completion,and most of the managers will go along with that if you don't throw your money at them...Paying for salidas is something I know a hell of a lot about. The only way I would ever choose to pay a girl upfront, is to pay her through the management so she realizes that she does not have the money in the bag quite yet. It is a psychological advantage for you as a monger to control the money.

Frankly, I prefer to hold the psychological cards rather than part with my money with no degree of "influence" being present whatsoever. Oh, the stories I could tell about the wisdom of holding the money in your possession until you are at least partially satisfied with the outcome.

It has nothing to do with whether you are actually intending to pay. It has everything to do with playing the psychological game, negotiating your position when she is wanting to get lazy, or trying to run a game on you by cutting time or using some BS excuse to hold back this or that. With the lazy ones, while they are acting up, you simply tell them that you are paying for their performance, and that they have yet to be paid. Most of them will jump on the band wagon rather than have you hit the frickin' roof over poor performance issues, or worse yet, take your complaints to their bosses where they will have to answer to their behavior.

Once she is paid, you have nothing to bargain with when she won't deliver the promised goods. It simply gives you an opportunity to pursuade her during the course of her stay with you, the merits in delivering to your expectations. The threat of non-payment is always a psychological motivator. Plus, you have the threat of making a scene with their boss over your complaint, the nasty propsect of they having to address an escalated confrontation with a client in front of their manager.

I don't say that you should attempt to stiff them, but that you should keep yourself in a bargaining position at all times until you are relatively satisfied.
I have had a number of them that are a total disaster in Monterrey...I just got done with one from the night shift at El Infinito. I will relate the detail of that story soon, and you will not believe it. And, you will not believe how I handled it, and how much it cost me to handle it with and eye to the future. She was paid in full...and for NO SEX. The situation dictates the tactic.

And, with respect to getting your money back. Don't forget that I did that exact same thing at the Old Givenchy when the girl delivered poor service. I saw the manager of the bar, and while they would not part with their salida fee, they DID impose on the girl to make a refund, which she did.

So, while it is not common, getting them to hold the girl to some reasonable standard of performance is possible because I personally did it. I don't say it's common, but it is doable. Now, imagine if you showed up at the club, not having paid the girl, and they know you are a regular, and a good customer, one of credibility with respect to your long standing record of being a buen cleinte, and you complained about her service, and could back it up, such as I did at Givenchy. You would be in a much better position to bargain with the manager, and appeal to his business sense, hopefully so he will intervene on your behalf with the girl, just as the manager did for me at Givenchy, pursuading her that she was wrong, and that she should make it, if not completely right, then at least partially right.

They do have some leverage with the girls that are under their employ. And, provided you can back up your claims, and provided you have credibility in the bars, your reputation can be of immense value in getting the bars to intervene on your behalf with some influence over the girls.

But, again, it isn't with any intention of holding back their payment in the end unless service is just absolutely horrible or mis-represented. It is more a matter of psychology, which I have been preaching here from day one, and a subject that seems to be given little or no legitimate consideration on the boards.

Psychology is the key to everything, and that includes P4P in spades.Well said. I laughed thinking about the notion of you, Wasted or Mr. L receiving a horrible session from an Infinito girl and not paying and losing your fingers or having a baseball bat taken to you. Bwahahahaha!

I believe that particular girl would be blackballed before you guys would encounter any problems.

Apples to apples, there is far more bad in the US than in MX. Why is it that we have more lawyers per capita than any nation in the world? I would walk down the most dangerous streets in MX before I was caught walking alone on a dark Compton street.

[MonterreyDude]

No P, you are totally wrong.
Here in Monterrey, the House has the upper hand always.
If you move around the clubs thinking that, you are going to head straight int deep trouble.




Try heading onto the streets of LA and pay up front or even half down for a service based professional. Regardless if it's a hooker, plumber or contractor, you will eventually come up short sooner rather than later.

I have only once in my 150+ MP visits ever had to stiff a provider. This Korean hounded me to hurry when she performed the HJ. Well, I hurried alright. Right out of the fuc_ing door along with my customary $40 tip. The only "poor slob" is the monger that allows the provider to control the situation. Of all my visits, both US and MX, I have never been told to pay the tip up front. Only the fixed costs of the house fee.

Don't know if it's different here in Central Mexico, but the universal proverbial statement is.

"He who holds the gold makes the rules."

Unbelievable. Letting a hooker have the "upper hand" or control my financial situation? If I wanted that, I would go get married.

[Precocious One]

For the very, very few mongers that are oblivoius to how a third world country operates yes, you never run a tab because you will pay. That is a given. The culpability factor. You pay as you go or point of sale. Conversely, try running a tab in Carson, CA or Detroit, Mi and attempt to walk on it. The results will more than likely be the same there as in MX. In fact, the clubs in Monterrey are probably far, far safer. You start licking on some of that fine chocolate and I'm sure one of the brothas ain't gonna take to kindly to it. He may even let you know about it. Enough with this tough guy machismo MX bullsh_t. We have the same precarious environments in the US. And then some. MX is NOT Colombia although some people are trying to make it out to be. If you get a baseball bat inflicted upon yourself, there is a good chance you probably deserved it. US or MX.

I pretty much have had NO problems in MX and have nothing but good to say about the people and their country. It is an absolute great place for an ex-patriate to consider. And it is only the Wild West if one makes it out to be or chooses to believe so. Generally, MX people tend to be very happy with very little. It is one of the reasons I absolutely love this country. A total antithesis of the typical self-absorbed American and it's ingrained culture. I have a very, very attractive younger Monterrey GF and have never been confronted, subtle or not, by other MX nationals due to jealousy or overt animosity. Not saying that a problem will never occur, but that problem could occur in the US as well.

I cannot speak for all mongers, but it has become a complete joke to me that some here believe that we "have a lot to learn" about how to "survive" in MX. Well, I survived in the most fierce competitive business environment in the US. I have also "survived" a year and a half in MX. Worrying about a MX hoe taking advantage of me is comical, at best. Some of the experienced ISG mongers that read some of these posts here must be seriously, seriously laughing after having endured the roughest parts of Central and South America.

When I read some of these machismo posts, I know that's what I do.

[Member #3453]

I always said the house has the upper hand in Mexico, and I agree with what you're saying about my not being a "loaded" customer. But, having a known, reliable reputation can't hurt, especially when the object is to amiably state your case, and to rely on the benevolence of a manager that knows you.

I do not advocate making demands, but using pursuasive abilities to communicate, and possibly solicit support from the manager, which is what happened exactly with respect to my situation at Givenchy. The manager was instrumental in managing the situation.

However, frankly, were you to go to management with a complaint regarding all the hundreds of lousy bar fines that proliferate in Mexico, I can certainly see how your credibility would be effected because they really don't give a shit in the final analysis. No, you have to pick and choose your battles, and the complaint needs to be aggregious(sp) by even Mexico standards in order to have an aire of credibility.

I still think that paying the girl's part up front, unless the house requires it, which some do, is a foolish "choice" on the part of the monger, if given a choice, because it gives you absolutely no room to wiggle.

If given the choice...think about it.

At least if you hold onto your money until afterward, you have some bargaining power with the chica. Perhaps it isn't much, perhaps it will be ineffective, perhaps you will still pay regardless of her service, but at least you are not totally without some kind of psychological bargaining chip in the moment, be it ever so slight.

My point has always been that to offer to pay upfront, when it is not required, or to negotiate terms and price with a chica from a position of pre-established vulnerability, is not the better choice to make if given an alternative to pay her afterward.

And if the house has no objections, why would you not choose to hold out payment until after. Where is the advantage to paying the girl up front? There is none.

Again, I hate to beat a dead horse, but the infrastructure with respect to P4P in Mexico is skewed totally against the patron in every respect. Conversely, in most other venues around the world, with very few acceptions, the precedure is almost universally to pay the chica afterward. It is part of Mongering 101, frankly.

In Asia, for example, when service is shitty, the girl is very often kicked out of the room with nothing, or sometimes no propina, or sometimes with a part of the original bargain. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the trip reports of the Asia Sections versus the Mexico Sections of this and/or any other board.

The contrast in service level expectations is plainly illustrated by what is easily read in the trip reports, with a preference for the Asia satisfaction level probably being conservatively at least 100 to 1 among those that know both venues. Notice I am not disussing selection, but strictly the business model. And, frankly, in most instances, I believe that such superiority with respect to satisfaction level is directly linked to being in control of the funds, and having the option to penalize poor performance. So, isn't it smarter, if given the choice, to error on the side of at least having some degree of influence over the outcome, even if ever so slight in Mexico on account of it's preditory business model, which I gladly concede after you so eloquently pointed it out?


There a couple of things USB writes without giving a couple of seconds to thought.

USB is known at the clubs as a returning American customer, one way or another, the House and the girls know that he is trustworthy.

Up to now, USB is so at home at places like the Prestige, Obsession, TVO, Pasarelas... all the moderate priced clubs, BUT, here you have to check your soul at the door and the House owns it till you pay your bill and exit the club.

At this places you don't pay any service up front, they go to the tab. Never mind if you don't pay upfront, you HAVE to pay. There is no option.

I guess none of my American friends have seen what happens to a customer if he refuses to pay or is in disagreement with the tab. After getting one hell of beating, they hand you over to the police.
Worst part is you still have to pay the House.

What Mill Just and I are trying to get through is that what ever your thoughts, even if you think you are "withelding" payment, you already PAYED up front the moment you decided to take a girl out (or doing her in the club).

Let me see: has any one reading this post "witheld" payment from a girl even if he recieved a shitty deal, "lay flat on bed" girl, "cadaver" type, no emotion, no GFE, no nothing?

You see? you are paying up front on all conditions....

I know USB got a refund once, but I keep thinking an angel was on his side that day... usually they just play dumb and turn their back on you and if you insist, they surround you with security and kick you out.

And I just don't want to contradict USB, but my friend sees himself as a good customer, a reputable one...
Oh damn... USB, you are having real misguided thoughts here.
I am making them public, just for the sake of other mongers: a reputable customer at the clubs is one that spends tons of money with out second thoughts, not one that takes a girl out once or twice a week every each other month.
It is one that leaves a mark at the club, one that will be remembered by managers, waiters and girls.
One that spends 5000 pesos and up and leaves 1000 pesos tip to spread around.
(5000 pesos is a conservative figure... I've seen guys pay 350,000 peso bill without blinking)
Even me as a local, as a guy that spends 1000 pesos per visit, am a regular customer, but Iam not a good customer for the clubs.

Please take the latter in consideration, do not think that by paying a 350 peso salida, that makes you a good customer.
Remember that the 1000 pesos (or whatever you pay the girl) is not for the House...
The House loses on those kind of deals.

[Member #3453]

Preface: Ok, so I owe you guys a trip report that covers the last 48 hours or so. I'll break this into two or more segments so you will be able to read one and come back to this Section to continue the saga. I contemplated long and hard about whether to post this, worrying that it would make me seem to be a naive, amateur...I ultimately decided that I am secure in my skin, and while I knew that I would be giving the likes of MJ and others plenty of skittles as ammunition in the process, I decided that I would make such as sacrifice out of my feeling sorry for those of you sitting at home in the wasteland, knowing that you probably could use a good laugh, even at my expense.

But, after 24 hours of contemplation, I decided that the entertainment value probably supercedes my need to seem like the Cabronish Master that I aspire to being, and that I would prefer to generally demonstrate, at least with some degree of consistency, that I am much smarter than this when firing on all cylinders, but that this story would undoubtedly serve to embarrass me now and into the future...I hope you will all tread lightly, and not assume that I am, in fact, typically this stupid with respect to my decision making processes when selecting girls, or that this somehow is actually evidence that my experience level is over stated and misrepresented.

Just for the record, I know better than to follow this path....but, you know how it is, you just sometimes get into a funk and your ability to think rationally at all times is on hold. And, to listen to the little voice in your head versus your pants is the better tactic of course. Well, I wasn't listening to the little voice, so chalk this off to it being an off night intellectually. I sacrifice my own ego gratification in relating this story for the betterment of ISG, and to hopefully entertain some of you that are stuck in the wasteland :D Enjoy...

Sunday night: This night went relatively routine. I bar fined my "G" girl (which stands for "G" spot girl, not her real name) around 7pm from work, paying the double bar fine of 700 pesos, and we went to the hotel, enjoyed each other's company until she had to leave around 11pm. I gave her 1000 pesos to cover the time she lost not working in the bar, and she spent about 4 hours with me that evening before leaving for home. It went very well, and she told me that the following night she would spend the night with me todo la noche. So, Monday night, I did the same thing again, bar fined her at about 7pm, paid the double bar fine of 700 pesos, and we were off.

Monday night: We left her bar and wanted to try to see the Bourne Ultimatum movie. Unfortunately, neither of us was prepared for exactly where to see it, plus time had gotten away from us a little bit because she was tied up in the privados, and came down a little later than we both anticipated. Anyway, after running around to find a theater for that particular movie, we were unsuccessful in locating it at a time that it would be showing that would accommodate us. So, we went to dinner at the seafood restaurant in Bario Antigua, Mariscos y Aquanas (?). We went there last month at her suggestion, and it was excellent. She likes sea food, so I decided that I would go there again. They have a shrimp dish that she ordered last time that is outstanding, so I was kind of salivating for that myself this time and ordered it. It was delicious. We eventually made our way back to the hotel after dinner and enjoyed a few hours in the room before she had to leave around 11pm.

Well, even though I was totally satiated with her that evening before she left, she always delivering a great session, one full of absolute sincere emotion, passion, and affection, I was restless. So, I decided I would visit a few clubs with the intention of just socializing and having a little banter with the chicas. I first went to Pasarelas and it was absolutely dead...only three patrons in the bar around 12:00am, and probably no less than 15 chicas, which is typically a really good thing, one that is usually quite good for potential bargains on salida. Of course, I brought the cookies, dulces, etc...and they swarmed me like locusts.

The purpose of the cookies, candy, etc...is not to engraciate myself to the girls, to impress them, or to somehow try to buy their attention, but to utilize those sundry items to establish a feeling of la fiesta. It does work, and it does permit me to meet and engage a wide range of girls. Many, many girls in these bars know me for my sundry items, many that I do not even remember from one trip to the next. None the less, they approach me without so much as a hesitation once they have initially taken the bait on prior visits, and some of them whom I did not formerly know, approach me in a very familiar and confortable manner, simply because they have witnessed other girls interacting with me, and that I do not bite. Some girls are simply not that outgoing, and sometimes they will hang back if they don't know you. Some bar girls are just a little shy. The cookie/candy routine seems to break the ice, and it brings a lot of girls to the forefront where I can assess them a little easier, at least getting a little more of feel for their personilities and their demeanors, versus admiring them from afar. Plus, it permits me to make a cursory assessment of them without buying them drinks, or spending too much time with those that I might ultimately determine are wall flowers or intelletual boring by having just a few minutes of conversation with them over a cookie or candy run. If I find that during the cookie or candy run they intrigue me, then I will sometimes invite them for a drink, or I will keep them in the back of my mind for a future invite.

Well, my time at Pasarelas was relatively uneventful. While there were a ton of girls and very few patrons, none of the girls there intrigued me suffiiciently for me to hang around. Plus, I figured that my "G" girl had already delivered the goods earlier, so my motivations were not particularly depraved enough to settle for anything under the quality level of J-Lo or something similiar.

Keep in mind that if you like the advantage of few patrons in the bars and a lot of girls, which sets you up very well for negotiating salidas, Sunday and Monday, and to a slightly less extent, Tuesday nights, are really outstanding. The girls can't make any money because the patrons aren't in the bars. And, if you come at the end of the month, right before the rent is due, the girls are at a real disadvantage, needing your patronage on salida to make any real money. Additionally, the bars will sometimes negotiate a salida more rapidly, and even in some cases, though rarely, they will discount the salida to get your money up front, especially if they believe the other result might mean you will be leaving without spending any money. The discounted salida fees for the bar are not common, but they do occur. I have personally negotiated one with Pasarelas, with the assistance of the girl I was bar fining, doing it at least once in the past. If you're smart, you will use that to your advantage and negotiate a slight discount for yourself by soliciting her intervention with management, or more importantly, negotiate directly with both the bar and the chica for a little more time on salida to enjoy them fully, all at the normal or reduced salida price.

[Member #3453]

So, I left Pasarelas after buying a drink for a girl, "T" girl, one that used to work at Obsession, and had apparently been exiled to Pasarelas, probaby because she is second string, getting fatter and older. I was not particularly impressed with her, but bought her a drink, not because I was really interested in her, but to keep all the really fat sharks from circling my table.

I talked with her a while, and determined her to probably be relatively mercenary. But, I have to admit, she drank the drink very, very slowly, and she did try to engage me in conversation. I was impressed with that. I think she comes from a background that probably teaches them to guzzle as quickly as possible, but I think she read the writing on the wall with me, and I think she wanted to be there....but, in reality, where and what else does she have to do with three patrons in the bar, and fifteen other girls to compete with?

I decided to go to El Infinito because I wanted to interview a "G" girl look-alike that works the night shift. This girl has a more petite body, and is actually not as hot as my "G" spot girl. I remember intially interviewing this girl in the privados about three or four months ago, and thinking that she was really very cold. I interviewed her on each subsequent trip to help her to loosen up. Eventually, each trip, she became a little warmer toward me. She is only 18 years old. Frankly, I believe she had never interacted with older men before taking the job at El Infinito, and I think the prospect of fraternizing sexually with her father was probably quite a turn off.

But, I believe that with the additional months of experience, and after having learned to interact with older men in the privados, she probably lost a lot of her fear of older men, and in fact, might even possibly find them enjoyable at this juncture. This particular trip, I noticed a significant thawed and more familiar and likeable attitude and demeanor from her.

In the past she has always declined to go on salida. However, when I asked her this time, she actually said maybe. After I joked with her a while, I noticed that we were getting along very well, and that she seemed to actually have taken a liking to me. We were hitting it off really well. When I asked her about going on salida this time, she said she had never gone on salida, and that she only works within the club, that she thinks going on salida is dangerous. She told me that she would not go on salida with me before, but that she had changed her mind, thinking that perhaps she would make an exception with me, that she no longer feared me, that I was a nice guy afterall.

However, I made a critical mistake here, and this where the story starts to get interesting (embarrassing :D). With the intention of demonstrating that I wanted to merely take her on salida to get to know her better, I told her that if she doesn't want to do anything she doesn't have to, that we can talk, do whatever she wants, go as far as she wants, listen to music, all just to get to know each other better. Of course, I figured that one thing would lead to another, and we would be having some fun pretty quickly after arriving at the room.

So, I kept asking her if she wanted to go...and she said she couldn't that night, maybe later, but not tonight, maybe not this week, etc...but, maybe on Saturday or Sunday. I told her that I was going to be leaving town on Saturday, and I kept pressing her, never really realizing the reason she was putting me off....duhhhhhhhhhhh. :D

Anyway, she finally agreed to go, but really did not know any of the details of paying salidas, etc...I informed her that the bar would accept 350 pesos as her bar fine, and that I would pay her 1000 pesos for going with me. She said that she thinks its for 1.5 hours only. I told her they would agree to let her go for 2 hours if I pressed them.

Now, keep in mind, she is under the impression that she does not have to do anything with me, that we are going on salida to get "better acquainted," and that she has already told me that she would prefer to go with me at the end of the week, which I interpreted as a stall tactic at the time, rather than a legitimate reason not to go right then. Again, the head on my shoulders did not intelletually process all the possibilities. Frankly, I attribute this lapse to my own impetuous youthful mind gone giddy over the idea that I was finally actually worming my way into this girl's psyche, and that all my prior work at charming her was finally, possibly, going to pay off.

Well, I bar fined her, an 18 year old dumb girl, one that I have been working on for a while, one that has never gone on salida with anyone else, one that is relatively "dumb" in the sense that young girls are "dumb" with respect to the male expectation level while in the throws of sexual excitement. And, with my thinking that I would simply charm her pants off in bed and the rest would be history.

So, we arrive at my hotel, and for 1.5 hours we talk, listen to music, etc....and we are growing to be pretty good friends. I got her out of her clothes, all the way down to her panties when she tells me she can not do anything because she is menstrating.

Now, remember what I had told her about not having to do anything if she doesn't want to. So, she literally says, "you said we are just going to get acquainted, that I do not have to do anything tonight, remember." I just smiled and said, "tiene reson." So, I pulled out the pocket rock, and for 1000 pesos, I massaged her clit through the panties, massaged and kissed her bare chest, smooched with her, and did everything else I can think of, everything except sex. And, not even a blow job was offered. But, frankly, at this point, I was so tickled by the prospect of having been so skillfully duped, that I was a little giddy, even thinking that this would make great material for ISG. I was not angry, nor was I even really disappointed. I was playfully amused. :D

She asked me why I wasn't angry with her for not being able to have sex, and for her agreeing to go with me without she delivering sex. I told her that I wanted to demonstrate to her that I was sincere in wanting to know her better as a person, and that maybe later she will agree to go with me for the right reasons. She told me that she will go with me on Saturday or Sunday, that by Saturday or Sunday she she be ready, and that she thought I was a really nice guy, kissing me, and telling me how much she liked me.

So, you see, I may have been the mark in her little game this time, and depending on whether I finally decide that I want to take her on salida again, I personally believe that she will deliver with a more sincere kind of attitude than I would have othewise possibly experienced from her that particular night.

However, at her own detriment, in getting to know her for the hour and half, I determined that she has a relatively boring personality, and that she may or may not be fun to seduce, perhaps she offering me little more than to enjoy the range of her reactions, assuming she exhibits any. I have yet to determine in my own mind whether I am sufficiently interested in bar fining her a second time. I have no doubts that she will deliver the second time, but I am just not sure she has the personality and the attutude that would be conducive to GFE.

I am planning to return to see her once again in the privados to see what her demeanor is, to gage whether my interactions with her have established the base for a GFE encounter. Some girls are just not very responsive, and I sense that she might be one of these starfish types, so whether I am really interested in bar fining her again remains to be seen.

But, as a consulation, I figured that even though she cost me 1350 pesos for just a little more than a peck on the cheek, I likely might have saved myself a lot of time and energy in pursuing her otherwise. I mean, privados can add up over time. It would not take to long to be spending quite a bit on her to ascertain only a fraction of what I was able to ascertain about her on salida. I don't say it was a smart expenditure, but I do say that I did gleen sufficient enough intelligence on her to have a better feel for the possibilities, and to gage my future interest level.

So, eventually, when time expired, she got dressed, and we went down to find her a taxi so she could go back to work. She ultimately left, and I was back in my room, contemplating the wasted money, feeling a little down, even a little worried that my "G" spot girl might find out and be angry, all over bar fining a girl where I got little more than a peck on the cheek.

I finally just decided that I would probably be better off confining myself to bed rest for the remainder of the night, so I finally crawled in bed about 3:30am, slightly depressed, and a little bit deflated. I was really tired, and decided that I just needed to get some rest so I would be thinking more clearly.

Plus, the next day, my "G" girl was planning to return at 9am so we could spend the day together before she had to go to work. The timing of my "G'" girl's return did not work out with respect to 9am, but I was thinking that if I didn't get some rest, I would be dragging around all day with her, and that I would be a consumate bore for her.

So, I'm snoozing away when...

At 5:30am...there comes a very loud knock on my hotel room door....:D

More to follow...

[MonterreyDude]

I want to make on point clear on USB's posts.
He makes them sound as if getting girls at the Monterrey clubs is easy.
Well, it ain't.

Let me point out that for every girl that "reads the writing in the wall" on USB, there are 5 that discard him as a customer on the spot and never have the intention of starting a business relationship with him.

We all have suffered that.

None of us (Wasted, USB, Round the World and me) have ever dealt with the heavy weights at the clubs, the night girls at the 5 star clubs.

Getting the real stunners is hard and expensive and maybe even something that will depleate your wallet and give you little in exchange.

Again, it is not easy getting the adecuate girl.

It's a matter of having a good eye, of having the knack at the clubs of beign able to find the right girl in the bunch that will suit our needs.









So, I left Pasarelas after buying a drink for a girl, "T" girl, one that used to work at Obsession, and had apparently been exiled to Pasarelas, probaby because she is second string, getting fatter and older. I was not particularly impressed with her, but bought her a drink, not because I was really interested in her, but to keep all the really fat sharks from circling my table.

I talked with her a while, and determined her to probably be relatively mercenary. But, I have to admit, she drank the drink very, very slowly, and she did try to engage me in conversation. I was impressed with that. I think she comes from a background that probably teaches them to guzzle as quickly as possible, but I think she read the writing on the wall with me, and I think she wanted to be there....but, in reality, where and what else does she have to do with three patrons in the bar, and fifteen other girls to compete with?

I decided to go to El Infinito because I wanted to interview a "G" girl look-alike that works the night shift. This girl has a more petite body, and is actually not as hot as my "G" spot girl. I remember intially interviewing this girl in the privados about three or four months ago, and thinking that she was really very cold. I interviewed her on each subsequent trip to help her to loosen up. Eventually, each trip, she became a little warmer toward me. She is only 18 years old. Frankly, I believe she had never interacted with older men before taking the job at El Infinito, and I think the prospect of fraternizing sexually with her father was probably quite a turn off.

But, I believe that with the additional months of experience, and after having learned to interact with older men in the privados, she probably lost a lot of her fear of older men, and in fact, might even possibly find them enjoyable at this juncture. This particular trip, I noticed a significant thawed and more familiar and likeable attitude and demeanor from her.

In the past she has always declined to go on salida. However, when I asked her this time, she actually said maybe. After I joked with her a while, I noticed that we were getting along very well, and that she seemed to actually have taken a liking to me. We were hitting it off really well. When I asked her about going on salida this time, she said she had never gone on salida, and that she only works within the club, that she thinks going on salida is dangerous. She told me that she would not go on salida with me before, but that she had changed her mind, thinking that perhaps she would make an acception with me, that she no longer feared me, that I was a nice guy afterall.

However, I made a critical mistake here, and this where the story starts to get interesting (embarrassing :D). With the intention of demonstrating that I wanted to merely take her on salida to get to know her better, I told her that if she doesn't want to do anything she doesn't have to, that we can talk, do whatever she wants, go as far as she wants, listen to music, all just to get to know each other better. Of course, I figured that one thing would lead to another, and we would be having some fun pretty quickly after arriving at the room.

So, I kept asking her if she wanted to go...and she said she couldn't that night, maybe later, but not tonight, maybe not this week, etc...but, maybe on Saturday or Sunday. I told her that I was going to be leaving town on Saturday, and I kept pressing her, never really realizing the reason she was putting me off....duhhhhhhhhhhh. :D

Anyway, she finally agreed to go, but really did not know any of the details of paying salidas, etc...I informed her that the bar would accept 350 pesos as her bar fine, and that I would pay her 1000 pesos for going with me. She said that she thinks its for 1.5 hours only. I told her they would agree to let her go for 2 hours if I pressed them.

Now, keep in mind, she is under the impression that she does not have to do anything with me, that we are going on salida to get "better acquainted," and that she has already told me that she would prefer to go with me at the end of the week, which I interpreted as a stall tactic at the time, rather than a legitimate reason not to go right then. Again, the head on my shoulders did not intelletually process all the possibilities. Frankly, I attribute this lapse to my own impetuous youthful mind gone giddy over the idea that I was finally actually worming my way into this girl's psyche, and that all my prior work at charming her was finally, possibly, going to pay off.

Well, I bar fined her, an 18 year old dumb girl, one that I have been working on for a while, one that has never gone on salida with anyone else, one that is relatively "dumb" in the sense that young girls are "dumb" with respect to the male expectation level while in the throws of sexual excitement. And, with my thinking that I would simply charm her pants off in bed and the rest would be history.

So, we arrive at my hotel, and for 1.5 hours we talk, listen to music, etc....and we are growing to be pretty good friends. I got her out of her clothes, all the way down to her panties when she tells me she can not do anything because she is menstrating.

Now, remember what I had told her about not having to do anything if she doesn't want to. So, she literally says, "you said we are just going to get acquainted, that I do not have to do anything tonight, remember." I just smiled and said, "tiene reson." So, I pulled out the pocket rock, and for 1000 pesos, I massaged her clit through the panties, massaged and kissed her bare chest, smooched with her, and did everything else I can think of, everything except sex. And, not even a blow job was offered. But, frankly, at this point, I was so tickled by the prospect of having been so skillfully duped, that I was a little giddy, even thinking that this would make great material for ISG. I was not angry, nor was I even really disappointed. I was playfully amused. :D

She asked me why I wasn't angry with her for not being able to have sex, and for her agreeing to go with me without she delivering sex. I told her that I wanted to demonstrate to her that I was sincere in wanting to know her better as a person, and that maybe later she will agree to go with me for the right reasons. She told me that she will go with me on Saturday or Sunday, that by Saturday or Sunday she she be ready, and that she thought I was a really nice guy, kissing me, and telling me how much she liked me.

So, you see, I may have been the mark in her little game this time, and depending on whether I finally decide that I want to take her on salida again, I personally believe that she will deliver with a more sincere kind of attitude than I would have othewise possibly experienced from her that particular night.

However, at her own detriment, in getting to know her for the hour and half, I determined that she has a relatively boring personality, and that she may or may not be fun to seduce, perhaps she offering me little more than to enjoy the range of her reactions, assuming she exhibits any. I have yet to determine in my own mind whether I am sufficiently interested in bar fining her a second time. I have no doubts that she will deliver the second time, but I am just not sure she has the personality and the attutude that would be conducive to GFE.

I am planning to return to see her once again in the privados to see what her demeanor is, to gage whether my interactions with her have established the base for a GFE encounter. Some girls are just not very responsive, and I sense that she might be one of these starfish types, so whether I am really interested in bar fining her again remains to be seen.

But, as a consulation, I figured that even though she cost me 1350 pesos for just a little more than a peck on the cheek, I likely might have saved myself a lot of time and energy in pursuing her otherwise. I mean, privados can add up over time. It would not take to long to be spending quite a bit on her to ascertain only a fraction of what I was able to ascertain about her on salida. I don't say it was a smart expenditure, but I do say that I did gleen sufficient enough intelligence on her to have a better feel for the possibilities, and to gage my future interest level.

So, eventually, when time expired, she got dressed, and we went down to find her a taxi so she could go back to work. She ultimately left, and I was back in my room, contemplating the wasted money, feeling a little down, even a little worried that my "G" spot girl might find out and be angry, all over bar fining a girl where I got little more than a peck on the cheek.

I finally just decided that I would probably be better off confining myself to bed rest for the remainder of the night, so I finally crawled in bed about 3:30am, slightly depressed, and a little bit deflated. I was really tired, and decided that I just needed to get some rest so I would be thinking more clearly.

Plus, the next day, my "G" girl was planning to return at 9am so we could spend the day together before she had to go to work. The timing of my "G'" girl's return did not work out with respect to 9am, but I was thinking that if I didn't get some rest, I would be dragging around all day with her, and that I would be a consumate bore for her.

So, I'm snoozing away when...

At 5:30am...there comes a very loud knock on my hotel room door....:D

More to follow...

[Member #3453]

I will get to the continuation of Chapter III in a bit, but first I would like to also concur with Carlos, but clarify something he said.

Carlos said "Let me point out that for every girl that "reads the writing in the wall" on USB, there are 5 that discard him as a customer on the spot and never have the intention of starting a business relationship with him."

Keep in mind that you will get each and every girl you go after in Monterrey, statistically with respect to my following estimates, if you aren't limited by the money you have to spend, versus the performance that you prefer to experience. The two concepts, "money" and "performance" are mutually exclusive to one another, and they are unique to each and every one of us in our own personal circumstances, some of us having wildly varied preferences, and just as many of us having wildly varying bank accounts.

Frankly, were I to spent the money required to get the girls, which I do not, my track record here would most definitely be certainly higher than 20%. I don't spend the money, so I DO NOT get 80% of what I might otherwise attempt to go after. Idon't even go after them if I think their cost is going to be prohibitive. So, they are immediately eliminated from the running.

But, more important a consideration is that even once I assess a particular girl's attributes, regardless of whether I am able to get her to go with me for less, or whether I choose to spend wildly on her, it mostly boils down to chemistry between us and how much I want to spend to get what I think she can deliver.

Once the money motivations are determined, the issue comes into play with respect to performance. When Carlos makes reference to girls "reading the writing on the wall" about us, it is really more an issue of my "reading the writing on the wall about them," and more specifically, whether their performance with me with respect to GFE potential holds reasonable promise in exchange for "reasonable" expenditures. Of course, there are always brain farts like you are reading in Chapters I, II, and eventually, Chapter III, that will serve to spike the estimates.

Just keep in mind that if money were not an object, your success record on salida goes up incrementally with respect to not only how much you offer to pay them on salida, but also with respect to how much money you throw around in the clubs.

If you are a high rolling drug dealer, throwing money around in the clubs, supporting a girl's position within her job, and you also have no limitations as to the amount of money that you're willing to pay the girls to go on salida, then I suspect your success record would be really quite high, maybe as high as 80%.

If you are a corporate exec, doing the same thing, a respectable, and handsome, nice, young hunk of a business man, I suspect your success rates would be no less than 99.9%.

But, I also think there is a very small percentage of girls in the clubs that are more discriminating with respect to whom they want a business relationship with. That would be the 20% that have limits, some don't go on salida, some want a nice, safe guy, some want a BFE, some find a particular chemistry that they like in particular guys and no amount of money is necessarily going to make them better performers either way, etc...

That all having been further explained, the rest of Carlos conclusions are totally accurate. It ain't easy...not because the girls aren't easy, but more because finding the girl with the right chemistry, at the right price, can be quite difficult.

You are only limited by your own imagination, your own aversion to spending, your own particular preferences with respect to performance, and your own ability and intrinsic skill to also charm the girls from an intellectual and psychological perspective, perhaps motivating them into wanting to go with you when you have varied lesser degrees of these other financial and/or physical advantages.


I want to make on point clear on USB's posts.
He makes them sound as if getting girls at the Monterrey clubs is easy.
Well, it ain't.

Let me point out that for every girl that "reads the writing in the wall" on USB, there are 5 that discard him as a customer on the spot and never have the intention of starting a business relationship with him.

We all have suffered that.

None of us (Wasted, USB, Round the World and me) have ever dealt with the heavy weights at the clubs, the night girls at the 5 star clubs.

Getting the real stunners is hard and expensive and maybe even something that will depleate your wallet and give you little in exchange.

Again, it is not easy getting the adecuate girl.

It's a matter of having a good eye, of having the knack at the clubs of beign able to find the right girl in the bunch that will suit our needs.

[Member #3453]

so, to pick up where i left off, i get a knock on my door at 5:30am, right?

ok, you guys remember the girl i bar fined on sunday night, the one that was a disaster, the bi-sexual girl that had such wierd reactions to all the conventional stimulation techniques?

well, there she was behind the peephole....big as life at 5:30am, just three hours after i had dropped my "g" spot lookalike girl at the taxi. immediately, i thought, "ahhhhhh, life is good.!!!" :d

i am giddy thinking that even when i had just spent 1350 pesos on a "g" girl lookalike, and feeling kind of down, this girl shows up at my door after her shift at work. ahhhhhh, sweet...my now believing it was all poetic justice. i part with my money foolishly in the one sense, and i get a freebie as a result of having endured that, as the universe balances itself out. muy bien...

frankly, when i saw her through the peephole, it reminded me of the philipines, and for a moment, i had kind of a flashback of nastalgic regret that i was not indeed in the pi this very moment. but, i immediately realized that to be experiencing this in monterrey was truly unique.

you may remember that the "bi-sexual wierd girl" made me promise to call her to give her a second chance, but this one was just wierd enough that i just didn't feel that she would ever really live up to even the least of my expectations. and, frankly, i kept feeling like the victim in a holloween movie, wondering if she was going to pull out a 12" carving knife, chainsaw, or machete, and leave me for dead....she is really that wierd.

that having been said, obviously the opportunity to possibly get a freebie, even from a homicidal maniac, was more than the little head in my pants could pass up. :d even when all the indicators were that she had no potential. so, like a dummy, i let her in when she asked permission to stay.

i told her immediately that i have no money, and there would be no money involved. she agreed, of course i am sure she was also simultaneously believing she could prevail on my soft hearted, benevolent, save the bar girl stupidity the longer she stayed.

the first round of wierdness came when she said that the desk clerk had told her that she could not stay. i assumed he merely wanted to hear that i was ok with permitting her to stay. so, i slipped on my jeans and walked down the hall where i could look down from the veranda to tell the desk clerk that she being there was ok.

when i did so, he immediately said that it was not permissable to have three people in a room. i told him that i was the only one in the room. he had apparently seen me bring my "g" spot girl lookalike into the room, and he had not seen her leave. so, he assumed i was having a little orgy in the room with two girls.

i have never pushed the limits at the hotel to see just how far i might be able to go, and while i was not in violation of the policy because "lookalike" had already left, it is good to know that were i to attempt such a thing, it would not be met with an aire of cooperation.

although, i do believe that different desk clerks here would have a different approach to my escapades, and provided the right one is working, i don't really think that having two girls up to the room would be an issue, especially with a few well placed pesos and some assurances that everything would be tranquilo.

anyway, he accepted that i was the only one in the room, and he waived me off with little more than an ignoring look indicating that he would not give me any more grief. so, "wierd girl" and i returned to the room so that i could either be murdered in my sleep, or brought to extasy. fortunately the former did not occur, and we still have a long way to go to achieve the later.

she stayed for a while and fondled her, attempted all my former moves from saturday night, she assuring me that she would have a different kind of reaction. well, of course, as luck would have it, there was no change...i was somewhat frustrated, and i enjoyed fondling her boobs, attempting all my moves, etc...but, finally, i realized the futility of it all.

i remember laying back and closing my eyes, and she asked me if i was sleepy. i said yes, and she suggested that we sleep and cuddle, which she did quite well, even with plenty of kissing and carino. eventually, i just was exhausted from having seen three girls that day, and i decided that, even if she had a few knives stashed up her snatch, that i would be ok.

anyway, "wierd girl" and i slept for a while together, and evenutally, it was about 8am. so, i got up to check email, etc..., and to begin followup on the day's business issues. she just kept sleeping from about 8am to 9:30am. finally, she stirred and became aware that i was not in bed, and that i was typing on the laptop. she eventually got up, and starting getting dressed.

after she was dressed she hit me up for money. i told her i didn't have much money, which of course was a huge lie. i probably had about 4000 pesos in my false pocket in my jeans. but, i always keep two stashes of money, one of relatively modest amounts, and the other in the false pockets. i pulled out a 200 pesos bill, and gave it to her, telling her that was all i had...she suggested 500 pesos, then 300 pesos, and she persisted for a relatively short period of time.

i just told her i would not pay her for sleeping in my bed all night. i did feel that i had a sufficient amount of fun with her, fondling her beautiful breasts, and attempting all my other moves, enough so that i figured i would keep her as a friend, and give her a stipend amount for effort.

afterall, i am a fair minded monger, even when i do have strictly held standards of performance. i decided that i would have at least spent that same amount in the privados if i had kept her in there for (4) songs, and i had been fondling her for at least five times that amount of time. so, i decided that with her coming to find me in the room, i would give her something for making the effort, and for the time spent fondling her body. i realize that many would choose tactically not to permit this kind of behavior, but i am used to it, it being a very common occurrence in other venues of the world.

truth is, she offered to have sex many times, asking me if i had condoms, telling me a bunch of times that she need to fuck!!! she was quite insistant that she needed sex, and she was diddling herself feaverishly to get off.

but, of course, when i touched her with all the standard techniques that are othewise very effective for me on 99% of the girls i have ever known, all in varying degrees, admittedly, she had the most bizarro reactions, almost like a girl with the nerve condition where touching them causes them pain. she was so sensitive that to touch her in certain spots seemed to cause her discomfort. very "a" typical indeed.

i just told her i had no condoms, and that i could not have sex with her. of course, i have an ample stash of condoms. but, without the right reactions, the sex is of no interest to me, per se. i had already had a huge amount of sex this week as it was, and i didn't feel that having sex with her was going to satisfy an already satiated state of being.

the truth is, i just decided that if i could not get her to respond with the proper reactions, that sex was going to prove to be no better than a street girl in the alley way. so, i just figured that if i told her i had no condoms, she would give up on the idea, and preferrably i was hoping she would either shut up, go to sleep, or leave me in peace. :d

fortunately, she still had the mental sanity to tell me that she can not have sex without a condom...so, i threw my arms up in the air and said, oh well, maybe next time.

i know i am sounding kind of rough on this girl. her personality is actually quite charming. i actually like being with her, and to her credit, she is very lovable. it is just such a damned shame that she has such a messed up reaction to typically effective stimulation techniques.

finally, she left and i decided that she was never to be bar fined again, of course. last night, when she saw me at the bar, she sat with me at my table, and asked if we could go on salida again. i just shook my head, told her she didn't like our time together. she insisted how much she loved me, and that she just wanted to go with me to be loved. uhmmmmm, this girl is just so wierd. i actually think she likes all the carino, but she is not sexually receptive.

the next afternoon, my "g" spot girl showed up at around 2:30pm and we went to see a movie. i told her that she should not be pissing off her managers, but she just said that spending time with me is more important to her. she said she would have to listen to their bs for a while, but that she would literally let it go in one ear and out the other.

she told me that she makes salary without exception, and that when she has pushed them to the limits as far as skipping work, she has never been suspended or anything. she told me that she believes they can not afford to suspend her because it costs them money to take her out of the rotation. my "g" spot girl, for being a relatively uneducated girl, is pretty crafty.

fact is, i think she has them totally pegged, and that she knows what she's doing. she has, afterall, been working in the business for a few years now. anyway, my conscience is clear. i have told her to tow the line at work, and she just tells me that she wants to be with me when i'm here. she wants to have fun, and forget her responsibilities, and that she wants to simply be like a normal girl when i am here.

she feels that she is entitled to take some time off work to be with me if she wants to, and she told me that she will do that regardless of what they have to say to her. on wednesday, she spent from about 2:30pm to 10:30pm with me, 8 hours. i gave her 1000 pesos to cover her losses at work. we had a great time back in the room. i believe we arrived back around 5:30pm, and we made love all evening until she had to leave. there has been none more sincere than my "g" spot girl. bless her heart.

but, frankly, i believe that i may have jeapardized my position with her by bar fining her lookalike. i am going to tell her what i did, that i did it to make her jealous, and see where it leads me. i simply do not want her hearing it from anybody else in the bar. i frankly, think that i will be better off telling her, than attempting to go behind her back. fortunately for me, the lookalike was menstrating or i would not even have the excuse that i did not have sex with her, no matter how unbelievable that may sound.

more to follow with a news flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am so happy!!!!!

[MonterreyDude]

usb says: "she told me that she makes salary without exception, and that when she has pushed them to the limits as far as skipping work, she has never been suspended or anything. she told me that she believes they can not afford to suspend her because it costs them money to take her out of the rotation. my "g" spot girl, for being a relatively uneducated girl, is pretty crafty.
fact is, i think she has them totally pegged, and that she knows what she's doing."

key word here is "i think".... and you are wrong.
the house cares for money, but then come a point where the balance tips to the side of authority.
the house rules and even if g is a girl that leaves money to them, they will not allow a girl to have an upper hand over them.
she has no power over them and they have all the power they could wish for.

you are playing a very insensitive game here.
am going to be frank and tell you that in rality you are playing only for yourself.

your saying that she wants to be with you even if she makes less or close to no money staying with you.
you are saying that she has pressed her limits with the house to be with you.
you have said that she doesn't care about those things.

very insensitive from your part: she is jeopardiozing her lively income and you are not even batting an eyelash.

you should be the first one to sacrifice himself, let her work and see her on her free time, not the other way around being that you'r free and distract her from work.
we gotta talk usb... cause one of these days, that likable monster that passes for a manager is going to kick her out.




so, to pick up where i left off, i get a knock on my door at 5:30am, right?

ok, you guys remember the girl i bar fined on sunday night, the one that was a disaster, the bi-sexual girl that had such wierd reactions to all the conventional stimulation techniques?

well, there she was behind the peephole....big as life at 5:30am, just three hours after i had dropped my "g" spot lookalike girl at the taxi. immediately, i thought, "ahhhhhh, life is good.!!!" :d

i am giddy thinking that even when i had just spent 1350 pesos on a "g" girl lookalike, and feeling kind of down, this girl shows up at my door after her shift at work. ahhhhhh, sweet...my now believing it was all poetic justice. i part with my money foolishly in the one sense, and i get a freebie as a result of having endured that, as the universe balances itself out. muy bien...

frankly, when i saw her through the peephole, it reminded me of the philipines, and for a moment, i had kind of a flashback of nastalgic regret that i was not indeed in the pi this very moment. but, i immediately realized that to be experiencing this in monterrey was truly unique.

you may remember that the "bi-sexual wierd girl" made me promise to call her to give her a second chance, but this one was just wierd enough that i just didn't feel that she would ever really live up to even the least of my expectations. and, frankly, i kept feeling like the victim in a holloween movie, wondering if she was going to pull out a 12" carving knife, chainsaw, or machete, and leave me for dead....she is really that wierd.

that having been said, obviously the opportunity to possibly get a freebie, even from a homicidal maniac, was more than the little head in my pants could pass up. :d even when all the indicators were that she had no potential. so, like a dummy, i let her in when she asked permission to stay.

i told her immediately that i have no money, and there would be no money involved. she agreed, of course i am sure she was also simultaneously believing she could prevail on my soft hearted, benevolent, save the bar girl stupidity the longer she stayed.

the first round of wierdness came when she said that the desk clerk had told her that she could not stay. i assumed he merely wanted to hear that i was ok with permitting her to stay. so, i slipped on my jeans and walked down the hall where i could look down from the veranda to tell the desk clerk that she being there was ok.

when i did so, he immediately said that it was not permissable to have three people in a room. i told him that i was the only one in the room. he had apparently seen me bring my "g" spot girl lookalike into the room, and he had not seen her leave. so, he assumed i was having a little orgy in the room with two girls.

i have never pushed the limits at the hotel to see just how far i might be able to go, and while i was not in violation of the policy because "lookalike" had already left, it is good to know that were i to attempt such a thing, it would not be met with an aire of cooperation.

although, i do believe that different desk clerks here would have a different approach to my escapades, and provided the right one is working, i don't really think that having two girls up to the room would be an issue, especially with a few well placed pesos and some assurances that everything would be tranquilo.

anyway, he accepted that i was the only one in the room, and he waived me off with little more than an ignoring look indicating that he would not give me any more grief. so, "wierd girl" and i returned to the room so that i could either be murdered in my sleep, or brought to extasy. fortunately the former did not occur, and we still have a long way to go to achieve the later.

she stayed for a while and fondled her, attempted all my former moves from saturday night, she assuring me that she would have a different kind of reaction. well, of course, as luck would have it, there was no change...i was somewhat frustrated, and i enjoyed fondling her boobs, attempting all my moves, etc...but, finally, i realized the futility of it all.

i remember laying back and closing my eyes, and she asked me if i was sleepy. i said yes, and she suggested that we sleep and cuddle, which she did quite well, even with plenty of kissing and carino. eventually, i just was exhausted from having seen three girls that day, and i decided that, even if she had a few knives stashed up her snatch, that i would be ok.

anyway, "wierd girl" and i slept for a while together, and evenutally, it was about 8am. so, i got up to check email, etc..., and to begin followup on the day's business issues. she just kept sleeping from about 8am to 9:30am. finally, she stirred and became aware that i was not in bed, and that i was typing on the laptop. she eventually got up, and starting getting dressed.

after she was dressed she hit me up for money. i told her i didn't have much money, which of course was a huge lie. i probably had about 4000 pesos in my false pocket in my jeans. but, i always keep two stashes of money, one of relatively modest amounts, and the other in the false pockets. i pulled out a 200 pesos bill, and gave it to her, telling her that was all i had...she suggested 500 pesos, then 300 pesos, and she persisted for a relatively short period of time.

i just told her i would not pay her for sleeping in my bed all night. i did feel that i had a sufficient amount of fun with her, fondling her beautiful breasts, and attempting all my other moves, enough so that i figured i would keep her as a friend, and give her a stipend amount for effort.

afterall, i am a fair minded monger, even when i do have strictly held standards of performance. i decided that i would have at least spent that same amount in the privados if i had kept her in there for (4) songs, and i had been fondling her for at least five times that amount of time. so, i decided that with her coming to find me in the room, i would give her something for making the effort, and for the time spent fondling her body. i realize that many would choose tactically not to permit this kind of behavior, but i am used to it, it being a very common occurrence in other venues of the world.

truth is, she offered to have sex many times, asking me if i had condoms, telling me a bunch of times that she need to fuck!!! she was quite insistant that she needed sex, and she was diddling herself feaverishly to get off.

but, of course, when i touched her with all the standard techniques that are othewise very effective for me on 99% of the girls i have ever known, all in varying degrees, admittedly, she had the most bizarro reactions, almost like a girl with the nerve condition where touching them causes them pain. she was so sensitive that to touch her in certain spots seemed to cause her discomfort. very "a" typical indeed.

i just told her i had no condoms, and that i could not have sex with her. of course, i have an ample stash of condoms. but, without the right reactions, the sex is of no interest to me, per se. i had already had a huge amount of sex this week as it was, and i didn't feel that having sex with her was going to satisfy an already satiated state of being.

the truth is, i just decided that if i could not get her to respond with the proper reactions, that sex was going to prove to be no better than a street girl in the alley way. so, i just figured that if i told her i had no condoms, she would give up on the idea, and preferrably i was hoping she would either shut up, go to sleep, or leave me in peace. :d

fortunately, she still had the mental sanity to tell me that she can not have sex without a condom...so, i threw my arms up in the air and said, oh well, maybe next time.

i know i am sounding kind of rough on this girl. her personality is actually quite charming. i actually like being with her, and to her credit, she is very lovable. it is just such a damned shame that she has such a messed up reaction to typically effective stimulation techniques.

finally, she left and i decided that she was never to be bar fined again, of course. last night, when she saw me at the bar, she sat with me at my table, and asked if we could go on salida again. i just shook my head, told her she didn't like our time together. she insisted how much she loved me, and that she just wanted to go with me to be loved. uhmmmmm, this girl is just so wierd. i actually think she likes all the carino, but she is not sexually receptive.

the next afternoon, my "g" spot girl showed up at around 2:30pm and we went to see a movie. i told her that she should not be pissing off her managers, but she just said that spending time with me is more important to her. she said she would have to listen to their bs for a while, but that she would literally let it go in one ear and out the other.

she told me that she makes salary without exception, and that when she has pushed them to the limits as far as skipping work, she has never been suspended or anything. she told me that she believes they can not afford to suspend her because it costs them money to take her out of the rotation. my "g" spot girl, for being a relatively uneducated girl, is pretty crafty.

fact is, i think she has them totally pegged, and that she knows what she's doing. she has, afterall, been working in the business for a few years now. anyway, my conscience is clear. i have told her to tow the line at work, and she just tells me that she wants to be with me when i'm here. she wants to have fun, and forget her responsibilities, and that she wants to simply be like a normal girl when i am here.

she feels that she is entitled to take some time off work to be with me if she wants to, and she told me that she will do that regardless of what they have to say to her. on wednesday, she spent from about 2:30pm to 10:30pm with me, 8 hours. i gave her 1000 pesos to cover her losses at work. we had a great time back in the room. i believe we arrived back around 5:30pm, and we made love all evening until she had to leave. there has been none more sincere than my "g" spot girl. bless her heart.

but, frankly, i believe that i may have jeapardized my position with her by bar fining her lookalike. i am going to tell her what i did, that i did it to make her jealous, and see where it leads me. i simply do not want her hearing it from anybody else in the bar. i frankly, think that i will be better off telling her, than attempting to go behind her back. fortunately for me, the lookalike was menstrating or i would not even have the excuse that i did not have sex with her, no matter how unbelievable that may sound.

more to follow with a news flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am so happy!!!!!

[Member #3453]

cause one of these days, that likable monster that passes for a manager is going to kick her out.

i realize what you are saying, and that they do of course have the upper hand if they choose to discipline or fire her at the bar. i absolutely do not encourage her to play those kinds of games at her job. i encourage her to do just the opposite. but, she wants to do what she wants to do. i can't force her to go to work. i quized her yesterday about it, and in no uncertain terms, she told me no questions, her mind is made up!!! simply put, she wants a normal life.

besides, in all frankness, according to her, she is not concerned for her job in the bar. i know it's a job where she sees much more money than is normally earned, but she does not want to be doing it forever, and has dreams to leave it, probably sooner than anyone imagines, and possibly for a very far away destination where she has other options apparently planned for. i learned this at my own disappointment this week.

her apparent intention is to attempt to locate far away from monterrey, but in questioning me, she may decide instead to located nearer the border, reynosa, laredo??? i don't know for sure, but she has discussed it in very serious terms with me, and she believes that it will occur with relative lightening speed.

don't misunderstand, i am not saying i believe they can achieve their hopes and dreams, especially when they are relatively uneducated as she is, and maybe her hopes to get out of the business are just pipe dreams. but, truth be known, they all get out sooner or later, if not because they have other opportunities, but because the aging process forces many of them into a more legitimate activity.

in my opinion, she is relatively ready to leave it intellectually and emotionally. if she chooses to do so, i will encourage her to do it for her psychological well being, and at the detriment of her finances. on the other hand, if she can make her life more enjoyable by playing both ends against the middle, and remaining in it for as long as her youth will permit her to exist in it, that is fine too. she is, afterall, almost 25 years old. she does not legitimately have that many years left in it, so i doubt she would be losing that much financially compared to if she were leaving it at 19 years of age. and, there is more than one bar in town. so, what she would be losing if she were to work elsewhere, compared to what she might earn at another bar, is negligible.

frankly, knowing her as i do, she is miserable in a life that offers her only the financial gratification of being a successful bar girl, working six days a week, loud music, drunken mexicanos, late hours, the social stigma, no social life, no legitimate romantic opportunites, a job lacking all the emotionally enriching experiences that are part of a normal girl's life.

if the truth be known, she would probably gladly sweep the floors at heb for 400 pesos a week if she were to have the opportunity for a legitimate life with somebody that loves her. i could not really in good conscience advise her to do otherwise knowing her the way i do, and the needs she has.

[Member #3453]

Angry Girl defrosts....

Last night, after my "G" spot girl left to go home around 10pm, I visited El Infinito, Givenchy, Pasarelas, and Harem.

My purpose in visiting El Infinito was to find a way to patch things up with Angry Girl. My tactic, after hearing from WastedG that she was always asking about how I am doing, and wanting my cookies, etc...was to bring a few cookies in a bag, to give them to Jaras, the boss, and to tell him to give them to her from an unknown source. In the past, of course, she would never accept anything from me offered directly to her in friendship. So, when I arrived at El Infinito, I called Jaras over and asked him to take them to her but not to tell her from whom they came from.

Jaras came back to me and told me that she said, "Oh how sweet." Uhmmmm, an interesting reply, considering I would have expected to have her throw them across the room, and punch Jaras out for even trying it to pass her something from me. I have witnessed her haul off and slap certain offending persons right across the face with the strength of Mike Tyson.

This girl had a very aggressive attitude and demeanor for at least the last year and a half. I was to talk to her in detail later in the privados, and be made aware of what caused such a personality change in her, one that I sensed 1.5 years ago, after having experienced her as the girl she most surely has returned to being now. Her demeanor compared to a year ago is like Jeckle and Hyde.

I suspected that based on WastedG's testimony, and her decidely softened reply, and acceptance of the postre, that perhaps she was having a change of heart. I did not really realize what a metamorphis had taken place as a result of some significant changes in her life concerning drug abuse.

Anyway, I left it at that, Jaras delivering the cookies and she accepting them, making myself seen, but not heard, walking around to see how she would react to seeing me. In the past, she would always avoid looking at me. This time, she looked right at me and smiled. I sensed a personality change in her, even though she did not really make an effort at this juncture to say hello, or to acknowledge me with body language. She was, at least, not ignoring me, it seemed.

Anyway, I decided that I would let the whole idea of rekindling an acquaintance stew with her for a while, and that I would leave El Infinito and visit Givenchy.

I went into Givenchy and had a very pleasant surprise. I walked around the stage, eyeing all the talent. I can tell you that Givenchy has a lot of girls now, especially on Wednesday thru Saturday nights, some of which are significantly improved with respect to looks compared to the old Givenchy, and including shear numbers.

The important thing is that as I approached the stage closest to the front door, and gazed upon the hot girl on stage, not really recognizing her particularly because it was pretty dark, she screamed out my name and ran to the edge of the stage to talk to me, asking me why I didn't call her to go on salida yet, why I had been in town all week already and no phone call, she talking to me as the music played away, she ignoring her dance responsibilities and staying to talk to me for what seemed like an eternity, etc...I had actually looked for her a couple of times during the past week, but she was really not in evidence there. I have her number, but I've literally been so busy that to work her into the schedule would have taken some significant effort.

When she finally got done dancing, we went into the privados and arranged for me to return later to pick her up after her shift. It would eventually turn out that she would ask me to wait for her around 3am to get off, and as I was waiting and waiting because she was tied up with another dude, one that was literally pawing her senseless, and seemingly with no end in site, I would eventually be asked to leave by some asshole waiter/jr. manager because I wasn't drinking anything while waiting, even though I had taken at least one other girl during the half hour I was waiting. I took one girl into the privados and spent 100 pesos during my wait.

I just decided it wasn't worth the effort to make a plea to the actual manager of the place, and because I was tired, I just said "me voy," and left. Fuck-em. The same thing happened to me the other night when I was waiting for my "G" spot girl lookalike girl to get dressed to go on salida, this after I had paid the manager a double fuckin' bar fine of 700 pesos.

The waiter/jr. manager actual began to escort me out the door as I was waiting for her to come down from the dressing room. I turned to him and instructed him that he better check with the manager before he escorts me out the door. He let go of my arm, and left me totally alone after that.

I am getting very damned sick and tired of spending money in these damned bars, and because I am not drinking a fucking coke-lite every frickin' minute, being asked to leave as a result of these damned leaching waiters, seemingly they out numbering the girls almost ten to one sometimes. Next time, I will order the cheapest damned drink on the menu and nurse it beyond all fuckin' human comprehension.

Do I sound pissed??? :D Well, I am...My point is that I am spending money in these bars, as much as anybody else, and probably a hell of a lot more than most Mexicano of modest means. The actual managers know it. I do not say I am a spending like a drug dealer on vacation, but I do spend some reasonably high dollars in their bars on privados and salidas.

The next time, I am definitely asking to see the manager, and I will detail for them just how much money I do spend in their establishments, and exactly how much more I spend than to nurse a frickin' beer every hour,and more importantly, just how much I plan to spend at their competing bar across the street after I am asked to leave theirs? I have to first learn how to say all that eloquently in Spanish. Carlos???? :D

But, apparently the evil eye I gave the waiter/jr. manager in El Infinito was enough to send him a message. I was kind of surprised he gave up so easily at my hard assed looks, but wonders never cease. As for the Givenchy Jr. Manager, I should have taken the time to call him on the carpet as well, but I was simply too tired to fight the battle. I may go looking for him tonight to set the record straight.

If this sounds like I am a loose cannon with no intellegent game with respect to dealing with Mexicanos, it is not the case. I am a consumate professional, and especially those that are Jr. Managers that are not properly evaluating their paying clientelle will undoubtedly be at least given something to think about. I hope that upper management has more brains. When he kicked me out of Givenchy, I had no less than 5000 pesos in my false pocket. But, first, ya gotta give me something worth buying, and not treat me with such disrespect.

So, point being, when you go to these clubs, just as MJ, Carlos, and others have pointed out, you're dealing with the dumbest assed people on the face of the earth with regard to intellegent business accumen, people in management positions. Tread litely and act with decorum and professionalism or they will undoubtedly never comprehend that they have chosen to kick the crap out of one of probably their comparatively richest potential customers on the floor...the average Gringo. Thanks for listening...that felt good :D

More to follow...

[MonterreyDude]

I had a chat with USB in the afternoon, told him his point of view is wrong.
There are guys at moderate priced clubs whos job is to catch people not drinking. Such people are told whether he drinks or leaves.
After all, imagine if everyone can go into a club an just stare at naked ladies.

You have to ran a tab at the 5 star clubs. Same thing, if you stop drinking, they bring you the bill so you can leave.
(USB hasn't suffered this at the high end clubs cause at least one of us is drinking, anteing up the tab).

The club's business is making money, not entertaing pedestrains for free.

Iam mostly surprised that USB feels this way, when he is a veteran of Monterrey. And yet with all his years of coming down here he has not payed attention of the people ejected from the clubs cause they are not drinking, just gawking at the girls.

That is why I always carry a drink in my hand, cause I know the consequences.

Again guys reading these posts: Do not be overconfident... you have to order drinks at clubs (be it alcohol, beer or soft drink), be seen drinking and not nursing an empty glass.

Like I said before many times, we are not good customers, we are just regulars with some knowladge of the girls.





Angry Girl defrosts....

Last night, after my "G" spot girl left to go home around 10pm, I visited El Infinito, Givenchy, Pasarelas, and Harem.

My purpose in visiting El Infinito was to find a way to patch things up with Angry Girl. My tactic, after hearing from WastedG that she was always asking about how I am doing, and wanting my cookies, etc...was to bring a few cookies in a bag, to give them to Jaras, the boss, and to tell him to give them to her from an unknown source. In the past, of course, she would never accept anything from me offered directly to her in friendship. So, when I arrived at El Infinito, I called Jaras over and asked him to take them to her but not to tell her from whom they came from.

Jaras came back to me and told me that she said, "Oh how sweet." Uhmmmm, an interesting reply, considering I would have expected to have her throw them across the room, and punch Jaras out for even trying it to pass her something from me. I have witnessed her haul off and slap certain offending persons right across the face with the strength of Mike Tyson.

This girl had a very aggressive attitude and demeanor for at least the last year and a half. I was to talk to her in detail later in the privados, and be made aware of what caused such a personality change in her, one that I sensed 1.5 years ago, after having experienced her as the girl she most surely has returned to being now. Her demeanor compared to a year ago is like Jeckle and Hyde.

I suspected that based on WastedG's testimony, and her decidely softened reply, and acceptance of the postre, that perhaps she was having a change of heart. I did not really realize what a metamorphis had taken place as a result of some significant changes in her life concerning drug abuse.

Anyway, I left it at that, Jaras delivering the cookies and she accepting them, making myself seen, but not heard, walking around to see how she would react to seeing me. In the past, she would always avoid looking at me. This time, she looked right at me and smiled. I sensed a personality change in her, even though she did not really make an effort at this juncture to say hello, or to acknowledge me with body language. She was, at least, not ignoring me, it seemed.

Anyway, I decided that I would let the whole idea of rekindling an acquaintance stew with her for a while, and that I would leave El Infinito and visit Givenchy.

I went into Givenchy and had a very pleasant surprise. I walked around the stage, eyeing all the talent. I can tell you that Givenchy has a lot of girls now, especially on Wednesday thru Saturday nights, some of which are significantly improved with respect to looks compared to the old Givenchy, and including shear numbers.

The important thing is that as I approached the stage closest to the front door, and gazed upon the hot girl on stage, not really recognizing her particularly because it was pretty dark, she screamed out my name and ran to the edge of the stage to talk to me, asking me why I didn't call her to go on salida yet, why I had been in town all week already and no phone call, she talking to me as the music played away, she ignoring her dance responsibilities and staying to talk to me for what seemed like an eternity, etc...I had actually looked for her a couple of times during the past week, but she was really not in evidence there. I have her number, but I've literally been so busy that to work her into the schedule would have taken some significant effort.

When she finally got done dancing, we went into the privados and arranged for me to return later to pick her up after her shift. It would eventually turn out that she would ask me to wait for her around 3am to get off, and as I was waiting and waiting because she was tied up with another dude, one that was literally pawing her senseless, and seemingly with no end in site, I would eventually be asked to leave by some asshole waiter/jr. manager because I wasn't drinking anything while waiting, even though I had taken at least one other girl during the half hour I was waiting. I took one girl into the privados and spent 100 pesos during my wait.

I just decided it wasn't worth the effort to make a plea to the actual manager of the place, and because I was tired, I just said "me voy," and left. Fuck-em. The same thing happened to me the other night when I was waiting for my "G" spot girl lookalike girl to get dressed to go on salida, this after I had paid the manager a double fuckin' bar fine of 700 pesos.

The waiter/jr. manager actual began to escort me out the door as I was waiting for her to come down from the dressing room. I turned to him and instructed him that he better check with the manager before he escorts me out the door. He let go of my arm, and left me totally alone after that.

I am getting very damned sick and tired of spending money in these damned bars, and because I am not drinking a fucking coke-lite every frickin' minute, being asked to leave as a result of these damned leaching waiters, seemingly they out numbering the girls almost ten to one sometimes. Next time, I will order the cheapest damned drink on the menu and nurse it beyond all fuckin' human comprehension.

Do I sound pissed??? :D Well, I am...My point is that I am spending money in these bars, as much as anybody else, and probably a hell of a lot more than most Mexicano of modest means. The actual managers know it. I do not say I am a spending like a drug dealer on vacation, but I do spend some reasonably high dollars in their bars on privados and salidas.

The next time, I am definitely asking to see the manager, and I will detail for them just how much money I do spend in their establishments, and exactly how much more I spend than to nurse a frickin' beer every hour,and more importantly, just how much I plan to spend at their competing bar across the street after I am asked to leave theirs? I have to first learn how to say all that eloquently in Spanish. Carlos???? :D

But, apparently the evil eye I gave the waiter/jr. manager in El Infinito was enough to send him a message. I was kind of surprised he gave up so easily at my hard assed looks, but wonders never cease. As for the Givenchy Jr. Manager, I should have taken the time to call him on the carpet as well, but I was simply too tired to fight the battle. I may go looking for him tonight to set the record straight.

If this sounds like I am a loose cannon with no intellegent game with respect to dealing with Mexicanos, it is not the case. I am a consumate professional, and especially those that are Jr. Managers that are not properly evaluating their paying clientelle will undoubtedly be at least given something to think about. I hope that upper management has more brains. When he kicked me out of Givenchy, I had no less than 5000 pesos in my false pocket. But, first, ya gotta give me something worth buying, and not treat me with such disrespect.

So, point being, when you go to these clubs, just as MJ, Carlos, and others have pointed out, you're dealing with the dumbest assed people on the face of the earth with regard to intellegent business accumen, people in management positions. Tread litely and act with decorum and professionalism or they will undoubtedly never comprehend that they have chosen to kick the crap out of one of probably their comparatively richest potential customers on the floor...the average Gringo. Thanks for listening...that felt good :D

More to follow...

[Porker]

The true deadbeats never get ejected from places like Infinito or Matehuala, because you can easily pick up some beer some guy left behind on his wasy to the privadao areas and carry it around with you!

[Member #3453]

You guys all make some very reasonable points...and, in order to prevail under such a system, you just have to learn either to walk away, or just opt for another beer to drive them back into the shadows.

With respect to Carlos' post, I certainly understand that you can't have patrons standing around watching the girls, and paying nothing to the house. But, frankly, within the range of less than two hours, I had spent 700 pesos in El Infinito, and in less than one hour at Givenchy, at least 100 pesos.

I do NOT see where economic formulas suggest that I was not just as profitable partaking in the privados, and the bar fine, as a regular beer drinking customer over that same time span. None of us is big spenders that would impress them, but we are comparatively probably bigger spenders than 90% of their clientele. I mean, common' look at those guys sitting around the stages, the ones that nurse a beer for hours and don't have the money other than to cop a feel at ring side.

If the profit margin on the sale of the beer is 100%, that would mean that 50 pesos of profit would equate to my having drunk a couple of beers in that time span with respect to the dance in the privados. Assuming an average beer is around $3.50, and assuming that profit is 100%, that would be about $1.75 per beer, which equates to my having spent on 2.85 beers over the course of about an hour in Givenchy.

And, with respect to the bar fine, they are getting their 350 pesos per two hour period. How many of those guys sitting around the stages drinking beer are spending 175 pesos per hour? NOT LIKELY!!! I am with Porker on that one...More of them are scamming the house than that.

If you do the math, the argument that I am not just as profitable to them in partaking in other services is non-sense. I suspect that they have their profits totally calculated right down to the number, making all aspects of their business equally profitable, beer and services, based on time versus COGS. If they don't they are seriously inept.

No, this is just another example of the "system" that prevails. No matter how much I may love Mexican girls, my amigos, the language, the colorful aspects of Mexican culture, etc...the P4P system continues to generate many negatively felt feelings for many guys, especially Gringos, ranging from the hassles created by the cops in TJ, to being kicked out of a bar for not drinking in lieu of spending on other services that are very likely more profitable for them than the sale of a couple of beers over the course of a little over an hour.

I am probably more profitable for them per hour than 90% of the average patrons in the bar at one time. That conclusion supports MJ's conclusions with respect to their lack of business accumen. I will go even further than that and suggest that most of those goons they have working in the bars are more interested in demonstrating their macho images than they are in running a profitable and growing business.


I had a chat with USB in the afternoon, told him his point of view is wrong.
There are guys at moderate priced clubs whos job is to catch people not drinking. Such people are told whether he drinks or leaves.
After all, imagine if everyone can go into a club an just stare at naked ladies.

You have to ran a tab at the 5 star clubs. Same thing, if you stop drinking, they bring you the bill so you can leave.
(USB hasn't suffered this at the high end clubs cause at least one of us is drinking, anteing up the tab).

The club's business is making money, not entertaing pedestrains for free.

Iam mostly surprised that USB feels this way, when he is a veteran of Monterrey. And yet with all his years of coming down here he has not payed attention of the people ejected from the clubs cause they are not drinking, just gawking at the girls.

That is why I always carry a drink in my hand, cause I know the consequences.

Again guys reading these posts: Do not be overconfident... you have to order drinks at clubs (be it alcohol, beer or soft drink), be seen drinking and not nursing an empty glass.

Like I said before many times, we are not good customers, we are just regulars with some knowladge of the girls.

[MonterreyDude]

You see... your starting point is wrong.
You were talking about it yesterday, but I totally forgot that maybe you didn't know that the local brewery is an agresive producer of beer for a thirsty market.
I know as a fact that the Matehuala, Givenchy, Infinito, El Cielo quadrangle is the #2 buyer of beer in the city. You might see guys nursing beers for an hour, but at the same time, there are hundreds drinking lots of beer as a whole in the 4 clubs.
In the US, beer has an added value tax that increases the price. The bottle is not returnable, again, raises the price. The net profit of beer in the US is nothing comparable to Mexican beer, it is not taxed as over there. That is why you find beer at 15 pesos a bottle.
I have prevailed in the system cause I've know for 25 years now that to mantain the House in state of bliss, you must consume.
Yes, it is monstruous idiot that thinks that that is the way to do business.
But for the moment, they have the upper hand, not the customer.

Remember we always talk about leaving a mark?
You are leaving the mark of a bad customer.
Even with the high rotation of security guards and submanagers, they pretty well know who is who around them.
One day they might be at Givenchy, but tomorrow you might bump into them at Tangalay... and am sure they will remember the bad gringo customer.

You are denoting arrogance and arrogance does not mix well at the clubs.






You guys all make some very reasonable points...and, in order to prevail under such a system, you just have to learn either to walk away, or just opt for another beer to drive them back into the shadows.

With respect to Carlos' post, I certainly understand that you can't have patrons standing around watching the girls, and paying nothing to the house. But, frankly, within the range of less than two hours, I had spent 700 pesos in El Infinito, and in less than one hour at Givenchy, at least 100 pesos.

I do NOT see where economic formulas suggest that I was not just as profitable partaking in the privados, and the bar fine, as a regular beer drinking customer over that same time span. None of us is big spenders that would impress them, but we are comparatively probably bigger spenders than 90% of their clientele. I mean, common' look at those guys sitting around the stages, the ones that nurse a beer for hours and don't have the money other than to cop a feel at ring side.

If the profit margin on the sale of the beer is 100%, that would mean that 50 pesos of profit would equate to my having drunk a couple of beers in that time span with respect to the dance in the privados. Assuming an average beer is around $3.50, and assuming that profit is 100%, that would be about $1.75 per beer, which equates to my having spent on 2.85 beers over the course of about an hour in Givenchy.

And, with respect to the bar fine, they are getting their 350 pesos per two hour period. How many of those guys sitting around the stages drinking beer are spending 175 pesos per hour? NOT LIKELY!!! I am with Porker on that one...More of them are scamming the house than that.

If you do the math, the argument that I am not just as profitable to them in partaking in other services is non-sense. I suspect that they have their profits totally calculated right down to the number, making all aspects of their business equally profitable, beer and services, based on time versus COGS. If they don't they are seriously inept.

No, this is just another example of the "system" that prevails. No matter how much I may love Mexican girls, my amigos, the language, the colorful aspects of Mexican culture, etc...the P4P system continues to generate many negatively felt feelings for many guys, especially Gringos, ranging from the hassles created by the cops in TJ, to being kicked out of a bar for not drinking in lieu of spending on other services that are very likely more profitable for them than the sale of a couple of beers over the course of a little over an hour.

I am probably more profitable for them per hour than 90% of the average patrons in the bar at one time. That conclusion supports MJ's conclusions with respect to their lack of business accumen. I will go even further than that and suggest that most of those goons they have working in the bars are more interested in demonstrating their macho images than they are in running a profitable and growing business.

[Member #3453]

You are denoting arrogance and arrogance does not mix well at the clubs.

Thinking with an intellegent point of view and expressing it anonymously on ISG has nothing to do with "exhibiting" arrogance in the clubs. To analyze a business model, and to comment from an educated perspective with respect to one's observations is not exhibiting arrogance. I am merely expressing an opinion held by thousands upon thousands of patrons, both Gringos and Mexicanos.

Stupidity is stupidity in business with respect to how they treat their patrons, and the overall affect that pissing off patrons has on the business. Plus, while they may have cheaper beer available here, I do NOT believe that Corona, or any other Mexican beer company, sacrifices their profit margin to see their distributors of the merchandise profit at percentages that exceed a particular formula.

Cheaper beer in Mexico has nothing to do with profit margin realized in the clubs. If they buy in large quantity, certainly they can realize a higher profit margin than the taco vendor in la calle, but the producer is still not going to give it away.

At the cost of an average, popular branded beer, I see little evidence that my assumptions are that far off with respect to their anticipated profit from the sale of one beer.

The producer is going to be the one making the profit because they dictate and manipulate the price and the profit margins realized by the distributors of the product.

Besides, I suspect that the profit formula they use can almost be directly tied to the amount of money they charge for privados and salidas, with an hourly anticipated ideal sale per patron per hour being somewhere in the range of $17.50US per patron. If that holds true, that would mean that their best case scenario beer sales to be about (1) one beer every fifteen minutes per patron, with their probably being a certain number of patrons required to establish their breakeven point. Breakeven point is critical, and pissing off regular patrons that spend what we do, which is the life blood of their business, is stupid.

As another observation that directly supports my conclusions, and also establishes a rough estimate of their anticipated sales per customer per hour, if you take a girl into one of the private rooms at Givenchy, guess how many beers she will likely order per hour...between 3-4 per hour if you're lucky, definitley no less, and 5-6 per hour if she is a true star with management. This generally even holds true at almost any of the clubs. Take a look at the number of drinks you get out of a jarra, 250-350 pesos, approximately 3 drinks per pitcher, and how long it takes the average girl to drink it down.

Analyze this...

The girls earn their salary based on producing a certain number of Privados, which is their incentive to produce. If their quota to earn salary is (30) privados per eight hour day, that would be an average of 3.75 privados per hour if gaging their forecasted optimum performance at a place like El Infinito. If that holds true, then you can assume that their hourly anticipated sale per patron from Privados is $18.75US per patron.

See how close those numbers work out with respect to sales per patron per hour? Were I to guestimate at their formula, I would say based just on this cursory examination, and my own quick observations, that they optimumly like to see a patron spend between $17.50US and $18.75US per hour, per patron.

And, of course, there has to be a minimum number of patrons on the floor at all times to achieve profitability. If you go around pissing off patrons because you don't have enough patrons on the floor at 3am, and you are not acheiving your goal due to a lack of patrons on the floor, then it seems monumentally stupid to be pissing what patrons you do have off, ones that are spending money in the range you have established as optimum, and to drive them to another bar because you want to demonstrate how macho you are, and intimidate patrons into spending more in your bar, rather than motivating them properly to do so, that in a city where there are literally hundreds of options offering virtually the same experiences to the patron. Notice, I do not fault them for expelling patrons that are not spending any money, only for fucking with those of us that do.

You see, you can easily use math, if you are experienced enough dealing with these bars, and you certainly are, much more so than I, you can simply work backwards in your calculations based on what they charge for services versus the cost of a beer, and on behaviors, just to determine just where the upper management is considering their optimum average client's expenditures to be with respect to profitability. But again, break even point, which directly correlates to the average number of patrons on the floor, is key to being in business or going bankrupt. They are dependent of regular customer expenditures, and NOT HIGH ROLLERS. I know their common assumption is that the high roller is their key to success, but that only demonstrates their lack of education and experience with respect to managing a business, no matter if it's a strip club, a car dealership, a dry cleaners, etc...

So, to be pissing off your regular patrons without provocation, when they are spending in excess of your optimum formula, whether it be on beer or services, is STUPID!!!

I do not say I'm a "good" client, but when I spend 300-400 pesos in the privados in less than an hour, which I routinely do, or buy two salidas over a period of four hours, I am, mathematically, much better than even their optimum client, the one that maintains their consistent profititability, ones that, without them, were they only to rely only on the high rollers, would otherwise put them OUT OF BUSINESS.

This is where the clubs are exhibitiing their arrogance, and more importantly, demonstrating their lack of business accumen by turning the management of business operations to a bunch of goons, ones that like to play that they are "managers" but have no business accumen, education, or relative experience other than to know how to crack heads and demonstrate their machoism.

[MonterreyDude]

USB: "I am merely expressing an opinion held by thousands upon thousands of patrons, both Gringos and Mexicanos."

This is not true.... you are supposing, extrapolating. I have not seen polls, nor statistics stating this.


"Stupidity is stupidity in business with respect to how they treat their patrons, and the overall affect that pissing off patrons has on the business."

You are not going to kiddie Disneyland, you are going to adult Disneyland, one that labors in the grey fringes of the law.


"I do NOT believe that Corona, or any other Mexican beer company, sacrifices their profit margin to see their distributors of the merchandise profit at percentages that exceed a particular formula."

You are not dealing with Corona, Corona is from Mexico City, you are dealing with Cerveceria Cuahutemoc. They own all the Oxxos, they own the law, thru pressure, they modified the existing laws of sale at retail stores to expand the hours of sale.
Get a load of this: they sell beer to minors at soccer games of both local stadiums and no one lifts a finger.
Cerveceria subsidises bars by giving them chairs, tables, coolers, freezers, the signs that hang outside the bar... they even send crews to paint the place up.



"to their anticipated profit from the sale of one beer."

Ay ay ay..... one beer? Let me tell you that before quiting the drink, I drank 6 beers in 2 hours in the afternoon shift. You are looking at the individual beer, not at the gross sales of one day.


"As another observation that directly supports my conclusions, and also establishes a rough estimate of their anticipated sales per customer per hour, if you take a girl into one of the private rooms at Givenchy, guess how many beers she will likely order per hour...between 3-4 per hour if you're lucky, definitley no less, and 5-6 per hour if she is a true star with management. This generally even holds true at almost any of the clubs. Take a look at the number of drinks you get out of a jarra, 250-350 pesos, approximately 3 drinks per pitcher, and how long it takes the average girl to drink it down."

The girls beers are 50 pesos, guys are 15.... wholesale commercial beer goes for 8.50 pesos.. do the math.
Jarras... just so you can get an idea. The bottle of "wine" the girls drink is Boones wine. They sell it at 350 pesos a bottle. I can get the same wine for 35 pesos at a grocery store. Imagine what is the wholesale price.
Again, do the math.


"If you go around pissing off patrons because you don't have enough patrons on the floor at 3am, and you are not acheiving your goal due to a lack of patrons on the floor, then it seems monumentally stupid to be pissing what patrons you do have off, ones that are spending money in the range you have established as optimum, and to drive them to another bar because you want to demonstrate how macho you are, and intimidate patrons into spending more in your bar,"


They only [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of patrons that don't drink. For the House, patrons that don't drink are no good. Try doing this, at the Prestige without my presence there, see what happens.
(You should take this in account... remember we are treated differently from the other customers. At both the Prestige and Obsession they allow the girls to do far more things than with the regular customers... haven't you noticed that?).

"intimidate patrons into spending more in your bar, rather than motivating them properly to do so, that in a city where there are literally hundreds of options offering virtually the same experiences to the patron. Notice, I do not fault them for expelling patrons that are not spending any money, only for fucking with those of us that do."

And at those hundreds of options, even if they have money in their pocket, they will kick them out again if they don't have a drink in their hands.


.... and I will cut this short, cause I have work to do.







Thinking with an intellegent point of view and expressing it anonymously on ISG has nothing to do with "exhibiting" arrogance in the clubs. To analyze a business model, and to comment from an educated perspective with respect to one's observations is not exhibiting arrogance. I am merely expressing an opinion held by thousands upon thousands of patrons, both Gringos and Mexicanos.

Stupidity is stupidity in business with respect to how they treat their patrons, and the overall affect that pissing off patrons has on the business. Plus, while they may have cheaper beer available here, I do NOT believe that Corona, or any other Mexican beer company, sacrifices their profit margin to see their distributors of the merchandise profit at percentages that exceed a particular formula.

Cheaper beer in Mexico has nothing to do with profit margin realized in the clubs. If they buy in large quantity, certainly they can realize a higher profit margin than the taco vendor in la calle, but the producer is still not going to give it away.

At the cost of an average, popular branded beer, I see little evidence that my assumptions are that far off with respect to their anticipated profit from the sale of one beer.

The producer is going to be the one making the profit because they dictate and manipulate the price and the profit margins realized by the distributors of the product.

Besides, I suspect that the profit formula they use can almost be directly tied to the amount of money they charge for privados and salidas, with an hourly anticipated ideal sale per patron per hour being somewhere in the range of $17.50US per patron. If that holds true, that would mean that their best case scenario beer sales to be about (1) one beer every fifteen minutes per patron, with their probably being a certain number of patrons required to establish their breakeven point. Breakeven point is critical, and pissing off regular patrons that spend what we do, which is the life blood of their business, is stupid.

As another observation that directly supports my conclusions, and also establishes a rough estimate of their anticipated sales per customer per hour, if you take a girl into one of the private rooms at Givenchy, guess how many beers she will likely order per hour...between 3-4 per hour if you're lucky, definitley no less, and 5-6 per hour if she is a true star with management. This generally even holds true at almost any of the clubs. Take a look at the number of drinks you get out of a jarra, 250-350 pesos, approximately 3 drinks per pitcher, and how long it takes the average girl to drink it down.

Analyze this...

The girls earn their salary based on producing a certain number of Privados, which is their incentive to produce. If their quota to earn salary is (30) privados per eight hour day, that would be an average of 3.75 privados per hour if gaging their forecasted optimum performance at a place like El Infinito. If that holds true, then you can assume that their hourly anticipated sale per patron from Privados is $18.75US per patron.

See how close those numbers work out with respect to sales per patron per hour? Were I to guestimate at their formula, I would say based just on this cursory examination, and my own quick observations, that they optimumly like to see a patron spend between $17.50US and $18.75US per hour, per patron.

And, of course, there has to be a minimum number of patrons on the floor at all times to achieve profitability. If you go around pissing off patrons because you don't have enough patrons on the floor at 3am, and you are not acheiving your goal due to a lack of patrons on the floor, then it seems monumentally stupid to be pissing what patrons you do have off, ones that are spending money in the range you have established as optimum, and to drive them to another bar because you want to demonstrate how macho you are, and intimidate patrons into spending more in your bar, rather than motivating them properly to do so, that in a city where there are literally hundreds of options offering virtually the same experiences to the patron. Notice, I do not fault them for expelling patrons that are not spending any money, only for fucking with those of us that do.

You see, you can easily use math, if you are experienced enough dealing with these bars, and you certainly are, much more so than I, you can simply work backwards in your calculations based on what they charge for services versus the cost of a beer, and on behaviors, just to determine just where the upper management is considering their optimum average client's expenditures to be with respect to profitability. But again, break even point, which directly correlates to the average number of patrons on the floor, is key to being in business or going bankrupt. They are dependent of regular customer expenditures, and NOT HIGH ROLLERS. I know their common assumption is that the high roller is their key to success, but that only demonstrates their lack of education and experience with respect to managing a business, no matter if it's a strip club, a car dealership, a dry cleaners, etc...

So, to be pissing off your regular patrons without provocation, when they are spending in excess of your optimum formula, whether it be on beer or services, is STUPID!!!

I do not say I'm a "good" client, but when I spend 300-400 pesos in the privados in less than an hour, which I routinely do, or buy two salidas over a period of four hours, I am, mathematically, much better than even their optimum client, the one that maintains their consistent profititability, ones that, without them, were they only to rely only on the high rollers, would otherwise put them OUT OF BUSINESS.

This is where the clubs are exhibitiing their arrogance, and more importantly, demonstrating their lack of business accumen by turning the management of business operations to a bunch of goons, ones that like to play that they are "managers" but have no business accumen, education, or relative experience other than to know how to crack heads and demonstrate their machoism.

[MonterreyDude]

Wellwhome69...
#1. One of the first rules at the clubs is NEVER pay with a credit card. Me, personally, I stoped paying with plastic in the early 90's.

#2 The clubs can be user friendly... thing is you have to leave a mark, one that shows you are intelligent, that you know how the business runs, and that you might be a potentialy good customer (very important "might be", leave them in doubt that they let go a "very good" customer and they are to blame).

#3 Iam not a good drinker and USB, Wasted, nor me drink alcoholic beverages, but we do buy the girls drinks, that counts too.

#4 Don't worry about the girls being taken in advantage by the clubs. If they feel they are being abused, money being witheld, they just skip the club and move to another one... they are not stupid. They can pretty take care for themsleves.

#5 The important thing is obtaining a balance between spending and the fun you obtain. You have to be pretty much on the look out for that because the clubs always have the upper hand.





This is very true. I have seen it time and time again in business in Mexico. The "typical" Mexican would sacrafice an existing relationship generating an income of $10G's a month for a quick $30G's today. However, there are exceptions to this rule.

The solution that I have found that works is to build a good solid relationship with the one that "you depend on". Get to know their secrets. Like where and how they cheat on their Taxes. Their Slush fund! Who their G/F is and where she lives. Ect, Ect, Ect. You don't have to be so crass to say anything about what you know, except to maybe to say, "This is a no win situation".

I try to spend as little time in these "Show Bars" as possible. I am not a big drinker and I am there for the women. However, I am also guilty. I have paid Tabs that went well over a thousand bucks even after getting the Bill straightened out for Server Fraud. It pisses me off that these Bars really take advantage of these Girls and they really don't appreciate their Customer. If it wasn't for the Girls, who would pay their exorbitant prices and tolerate thier "Billing errors" and 10% surcharges for Credit Card payment? When I will fully retire and my youngest kid is out of the house, perhaps I will start a Union for these girls? : Maybe even contacting the Credit Card companies and back-charging them for their surcharges accross the Board for ever Customer over the past 2-3 years which is a violation of their CC agreements? These Clubs NEED Credit Card support.

[Whome69]

Carlos Perez, Wellwhome69

"#1. One of the first rules at the clubs is NEVER pay with a credit card. Me, personally, I stoped paying with plastic in the early 90's. "

Agreed but sometimes when you go in with a group. Things get out of control. As a rule, I pay as I go in cash. The last time that I was in Monterrey, this is what happened. Three of us ran through our cash. And guess who got stuck with most of the Bill of about $1000 over our Cash? At least they didn't try to overcharge us. At least by much, if they did. I have a good mind for numbers. No one tried any sheninigans with us at any time. We had a great time. I still have "my" Girl's telephone number. LOL! I did call a week later and she did give me her real number. Just need to get back down there. : (:

"#2 The clubs can be user friendly. Thing is you have to leave a mark, one that shows you are intelligent, that you know how the business runs, and that you might be a potentialy good customer (very important "might be", leave them in doubt that they let go a "very good" customer and they are to blame). "

Agreed completely BUT this takes time. The assumption is that the customer is an easy mark until proven otherwise. A customer shouldn't have to prove anything. Maybe this is the difference with the American/Mexican mentality? The American assume the House and servers are basically "honest" while the Mexican knows better.

My point is IF the House/Server sees that they are dealing with a Tourist who may never come back, then they are toast.

I will pay in Dollars if they have a good exchange rate BUT I use small bills. In the past, I have had to fight for "the $20 for a $5 trick". What I have done in the past is mark my money with my initials. The last two times, they tried this, the house lost. Of course, what doesn't help is that I do not speak Spanish well but I do comprehend at a much higher level.

" #3 I am not a good drinker and USB, Wasted, nor me drink alcoholic beverages, but we do buy the girls drinks, that counts too. "

The same for me. A beer an hour? ! My booze consumption is low for a number of reasons. Of course, it helps to pick a girl who is not a complete cow when it comes to drinks. It helps if you keep them entertained. The problem, for me, is that the Club's Music is sooooooooo loud, I can't hear.

Once I get to know them, I do the Salida method or I see them on their Nights off. Remember I enjoy the GFE.

"#4 Don't worry about the girls being taken in advantage by the clubs. If they feel they are being abused, money being witheld, they just skip the club and move to another one. They are not stupid. They can pretty take care for themsleves. "

Agreed to a point but I think you have to agree that it is more complicated and is really based on economics. If the girl thinks she can make the same without the hassle, she is gone. We both know Clubs that have Homes for some of their girls where they are well taken care of. Their laundry and cooking is done for them. The problem in Mexico, is that the House takes a percentage of EVERYTHING. Sometimes even tips. This is what I resent. The girl is doing the work. Lets face it, the Club can be a realy dive but if they great girls, the guys will show up. BTW, this attitude permeates the Business and is just not Mexican.

"#5 The important thing is obtaining a balance between spending and the fun you obtain. You have to be pretty much on the look out for that because the clubs always have the upper hand"

Agreed. Much like Vegas. This is why I like the Salida approach and/or avoid the Big Glitzy Clubs. A quality choice may not be as good in these other establishments. But you can find a good one. If I remember right, you prefer these "smaller less commercial" Clubs too.

Come to think of it, maybe a good comparison is Vegas over Mexico in terms of customer appreciation and how the Customer is treated? In Vegas, the service people are tip driven but they are not as agressive and the House. Much more laid back.

One of these days, since I live in McAllen, I will get there and spend the night.

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[Member #3453]

As Porker reminded me Friday night, advice he had given me months ago, and certainly advice that I took to heart at the time, he said:

"Enjoy the ride while it lasts."

I always knew this thing had a very definite beginning and an eventually painful ending. Frankly, I think it went on much, much longer than I ever anticipated it would, and I also feel that it was beginning to make me feel an obligation to her, and to simultaneously cause me feelings of guilt that I was leading her on, not to mention that it was significantly restraining me with respect to selecting other girls at El Infinito, her bar.

She has decided that as a result of my telling her that I bar fined another girl from Infinito last week, the "C" girl from the night shift, we are no longer together. She told me that it is best that we not see each other, better for us both. I think she was pretty committed to me, as committed as you can expect of a typical bar girl who I believe was generally trying to do the right thing by me. I think she really loves me even still, but I have really disappointed her by bar fining the other girl, one that was extremely mediocre too by the way, and NO comparison even when she has a similar appearance to the "G" girl au natural.

She also keeps telling me she is breaking it off for my own good, and has made reference to moving to TJ to take a job soon, in a couple of months, supposedly a legitimate one, which I sincerely doubt, probably one in the bars of TJ. Obviously, the ultimate purpose of her boob job to begin with I believe.

I believe that seeing me produced a conflict in her soul about what she does for a living, and that she believed in the end that she had to eliminate my influence in order to feel that she could continue in her chosen profession. I do think she was going through some self analysis, and perhaps she decided that she had no alternative in life but to go the bar girl route, and I believe that she concluded that to keep me in the picture threatened her decision making process, and that I would also be ultimately disappointed in her leaving me.

I believe that she knew what she had to do business wise, but was torn doing it with me in her life. My attempts to get her out of the business ultimately failed, as they probably should have. Porker informed that she would have no problem making $1000US a night in TJ.

I think that we had grown very close over the months, and that the disappointments that are too much a part of a long distance romance is what did me in. My telling her that I bar fined another girl was the catalyst, but I could see the writing on the wall now for the last couple of months that the whole arrangement was taunting her, and that it was only a matter of time before things came to an end. She has other influences in her life that made her choose to end it with me so that making her decisions would not be painful for either of us.

She was happy when she was with me, then I went away, leaving her behind, which only served to taunt her emotions each month. She seemed to go through real ups and downs emotionally with respect to trying to have a relationship with a visiting Gringo who lives 600 miles away. And, at some point, I believe she felt and obligation to me knowing that I did have feelings for her, and was returning to see her. But, in reality, I had feelings for the GFE. There is a difference. But, it speaks well of her character, even if she is a bar girl, that even now she worries about my reaction to this turn of events. She is seemingly, genuinely sad over the circumstances.

She told me that she was just so sad, missing the BFE during the time I was gone, and that she just couldn't take it any more. She was very mad at me for the bar fine issue, and thinks I am just as low as all men now, which gave her the excuse to cut it off. But, I think it is perhaps better to have her cutting it off than me disappearing or dumping her with some kind of public display in the bar right in front of her. I think she also cut it off to have mercy on herself, and according to her, to have mercy on me. I assume she is planning to leave town, which may or may not happen, and that she preferred to at least bring it to a close now rather than disappear, and hurt me worse.

For the last year, I tried to be very considerate of her feelings, and I blew it with the bar fine. But, honestly, I was wondering how I was ever going to get out of the relationship that I knew would only ultimately hurt us both. I could see that I was leaving her miserable each time I would leave, but I also didn't want to hurt a girl that I loved for her attentions and genuineness toward me in the moment. She truly was the closest thing to a real girlfriend I have ever experienced...but, that's because she was a real girlfriend. Literally the both of us were engaged in a love of the GFE/BFE. I doubt seriously that she really actually loves me for me like my wife does...It is strictly that she loves the BFE delivered in her preferred way, and she found it in me. I love the GFE delivered in my preferred way, and I found it in her. That is not love between two people, but infatuation with GFE/BFE. It is important to psychologically understand and point out that distinction.

You know, she told me all about having her Mexican boyfriend about 8 months ago, and according to her, he was on hold while we were together. I actually met him once... seemingly a pretty nice guy. She has the same kinds of problems with him being the Cabrone that she eventually believed she had with me with regard to my bar fining another girl. So, much of this Carbron strategy does not really apply according to my experience with Mexican girls. Maybe it applies to them on a subconscious level, but they seem to be looking for the same thing that all Western women seek, a committed and loving boyfriend or husband, one that does not run around on them, but puts them on a pedestal. She had given up on the Mexican boyfriend in favor of seeing me, so she said. He was always chasing another girl on her apparently. But, I am not naive. I am sure that some of her aggravation must have been trying to satisfy the both us with her time, while also simulataneously work in the bar, take care of and spend time with her son, deal with her mother's ailments, etc...

But, I think in the end, she realized that her Mexican boyfriend was at least there for her when she needed a companion, and she told me when we broke up that her intention was to go back to him, that he was nice, like me, she said, which was sweet thing for her say in light of the fact that she was angry with me. I don't know if she ever actually broke up with him the entire time...she says she did, and that she was faithful to me...who knows...probably not.

I think we two still have love for other, and she would not treat me with such malice as Angry Girl did. She is very considerate of my feelings, and feeling a lot of pain too, at least it seems that way based on the way she talks to me now. But, we both also realize the absurdity of trying to continue a romance like this, she more than me.

For my part, I would do it as long as she would have me because I have nothing to lose. However, in thinking it over, she has determined that she has a lot to lose at her job, etc..., not to mention that she was wasting time trying to find a solid relationship with me, one that I told her from the beginning would never go anywhere.

So, when I consider what is best for her, then I believe she has done the right thing. Of course, I always told her that there was never a chance of anything seriously happening between us in hopes she would not get hurt. But, people fall in love, at least within the definition that I previously articulated concerning infatuation and GFE/BFE. At one point, when we were talking about her moving away, she actually asked me with every ounce of sincerity you can imagine, in a kind of passionate, hopeful appeal, to marry her.

Of course, I realize the absurdity of such a thing, but I can't help but think that over the months, she might have felt she had a chance that our getting together could work. I NEVER lead her to believe that, always telling her there was no way due to age factors, distance, jobs, education, culture, etc, etc, etc...But, I think she had hopes initially, she pursued me month to month just as a legitimate girlfriend would, only to experience an emotional roller coaster, and that lately she was seeing that her hopes were a waste of time for her in almost every respect. I believe she was feeling guilty at not paying the right amount of attention to her work responsibilities, her son, her mother, etc...and she told me so.

I feel bad because I let her down with the bar fine last week. But, by the same token, she was letting me down every night she worked in the bar. So, we were hurting each other, and I think she saw that too when she said it was for my own good that we split. She told me that it would be better for me, that I would be free to see other girls, and I know she believes that time away will heal us both. I think she's right.

I believe she became a ho because she lost confidence in men. I believe she is typical in the sense that she has decided that it's in her best interest to exploit men to the best of her ability. I always did believe that. But, between us was a different dynamic going on, one that I thoroughly enjoyed, and the consumate GFE. I never felt that she ever exploited me, but that she treated me with the care and concern of a real girlfriend. I still think she is treating me with the same care and concern of someone who actually does still love me.

For the last year, she has thought of me differently, and her attitudes toward me were conventionally romantic because she thought she had found a man that acts differently toward her, and I did. I did almost exclusively see her for a year, and I treated her like she fantsized her romantic relationship should be. If I bar fined another girl, it was always from another bar, even when I had numerous other opportunities at El Infinito.

By my bar fining another girl, I burst the bubble, her fantasy. According to all outward appearances, I was faithful to her, and it made her feel that she could have a relationship with a man and be happy. That was her mistaken fantasy. But, over time, of course, the fact that she is a ho and I am a monger, not to mention the length of time we were together, and the obsurdity of anything legit actually coming of it, to include hopes that I believe she had for some permanency, simply got in the way of her screwed up life and my legitimate one.

Just to be clear on my state of mind. I love the GFE she delivered. That is my sense of loss. Her performance was not typical in MTY and I "loved" it. If I have any feelings toward her, it's the normal male/female attraction that exists, and that she is a friend, an intimate lover, even though she's a ho. We parted romantically on good terms, she telling me how much she still loves me, crying over breaking it off, etc...but, also telling me that after my having seen another girl, it is not the same for her inside. She feels betrayed while simultaneously feeling the loss of her BFE. I understand completely.

If I have any sadness it's more of a sadness related to having disappointed her for having burst the bubble, pushing her into a harder viewpoint about men. Plus, she's a friend, and I do feel some emotion for her because I have been intimate with her beyond the client/provider relationship, and I don't like to hurt her feelings, which I have.

I loved the dynamic itself, having a legitimately interested girlfriend on the side that showed it in ways that are beyond GFE, realizing of course, simultaneously that she is also a ho. But, with me, she was not acting the ho, but being her legitimate self. But my love of the "fantasy" is where I feel a sense of loss.

Carlos and MJ are so right about certain things with respect to the social class differences. As a result of getting closer than the average monger would ever be to one of these girls, I am so aware of the differences between us, and how opposed our social classes are after having spent a lot of time with her outside the hotel room. I could never be legitimately seen with her in reality, not there in MTY, and not here in the US. Of course, I realize that in spades. I always felt like I was on display when I was out with her in MTY, and I was. But, I just decided that since nobody knew me, the fantasy was worth the slings and arrows of my having been seen with her in public.

I want you to know that I totally realize that I am not really in love with her. I love my wife and family, and the legitimacy of that relationship is obvious when I am back after returning from the fantasy in MTY. My legitimate life back home, serves to dispell any false sense of loss that may creep into my psyche, and I want to articulate that my "G" Spot Girl was just the instrument of my fantasy. Intellectually, I realize all of that, and more. The entire thing with her is like a nice dream, one that you know is not reality, but one you wish you could have every night.

I do think it's a shame these girls down that path, and my heart bleeds for the nice ones like "G" girl. But, she chose her path, and the fate that awaits her is her destiny as a result of the choices she is making. That is my only regret for her, and if I have regrets for her, it is merely as a friend, and not truly as a lost lover per se. She has willingly sacrificed her heart for money, and she will undoubtedly be very wealthy by Mexican standards if she isn't already. But, her heart will continue to bleed as a result. There is always tit for tat when you make those kinds of decisions, and it's especially true for women.

You know, this seems to verify my theory that to be bar fining girls out of El Infinito like WastedG does with his harem, one right in front of the other, at least with respect to my "G" girl, which was originally suggested as a strategy for me to do by almost all giving me advice, does not seem now like it would have been a very good strategy for me to use early on with respect to the preferrable longevity of the GFE.

As it is, I was able to obtain a full year of very good GFE by playing it my way, the exclusivity angle. I doubt if this whole scenario would have lasted much longer even if everything would have gone perfectly, and even if I hadn't made a move to sabatage it by bar fining a girl from the same bar.

I am not sure that I like the ups and downs, or the ultimate affect, of the intense hi-bred GFE, and after having experienced the intensity of this one, my future goal will be to experience the GFE with less sincerity of emotion. That intensity of emotion is a direct result of my own effort made with the girl. I feel that depending on the girl, I am really quite capable of making this happen to some extent again, but I am not really sure that it's worth the emotional ups and downs, the feelings of obligation, and the guilt associated with making them cry over it, etc...

In the past, I always felt that I should not feel guilty because I am playing my little games with hos, and hos are fair game. I would never try to cultivate the hi-bred GFE with a good girl because I would feel terribly guilty building up their expectations without having any sincerity to act on my attentions in a legitimization effort. But, with a ho, such as my "G" girl, I felt she was fair game. I had the significant additional motivation of having her with me for 8-12 hours at a time, all for a donation that was entirely up to me.

I believe she would have gone with me at times for free, if she had the time available away from all the other obligations, but I always chose to at least cover her expenses, time away from work, etc... Now, after knowing my "G" girl as a person, getting into her heart, and she into mine, even though she is a ho, I don't even feel right doing it to her, or ones like her, in the future.

The financial motivation is what really made me push it with her. In the end, I was giving her 1000 pesos for 8-12 hours of her time. That's simply unheard of. The deal was always so good that I just couldn't keep from perpetuating the GFE. Plus, during that particular period, money was tighter during that year that I saw her. So, a hi-bred GFE got me a lot more action for less money than I would typically be able to afford, especially from girls of her category.

Fortunately for me, I was with her long enough that I do not feel I will really miss her body, or crave her ways. I feel relatively satiated. That's a good thing because I can't really imagine how I would feel were I to crave that little body of hers, and crave her emotional attentions and not have access to her on salida, or in the same hi-bred GFE scenario.

You know, another thing that is kind of liberating too is that I felt this obligation to return to perpetuate the GFE as frequently as possible. I was always kind of worried what I might be doing to her, with all her texting and everything, something that demonstrates a girl's constant state of mind. I just felt I should try to come to see her. Now, I am free from that obligation.

I notice too many recent changes in my "G" girl, and changes are usually bad. It started with the fake boobs, and I knew that from that moment forward it was going to be down hill. You know, I did not really know her that well after the first bar fine two years ago. And if you will remember, I did not bar fine her the second time until a year later. She has always been very sweet to me. But, I suspect she was even sweeter during that year between my first bar fining her when she was new, and my bar fining her a year later. It was during that period she was au natural, and probably a lot nicer girl being newer at the game, even nicer than the girl I knew.

With respect to her now being on the "market," if she wasn't already, none will experience with her the depth of emotion that I had with her, and whatever mechanical sex she delivers in the privados will be just that. So, to me, others that I know who find their opportunity with her will wonder what all the fuss was about with respect to my feelings for her.

But, suffice it to say that the fuss is about the GFE emotion that she genuinely gave me in the moment, from her heart, legitimate in every way, and that is was distinguishes her from all the others I have known. That is the loss I feel...

But, the hunt continues...

I know for some, this will seem like it does not belong in the Monterrey section because it contains so much detail about what I am thinking, etc...But, truly, it is a trip report of my experience in Monterrey. In an effort to reduce the length of any rebuttal of opposing commentary, please feel free to post in the USB section. Your discretion as to where you choose to comment is yours, but the post is so lengthy it could possibly cause a lot of similiar discussion related issues that might be more appropriate to the USB Section, versus this actually being a trip report and eligible for posting here.

[MonterreyDude]

Whome...
Stick to cash, no turn of the card here... stick to cash.
Please mark my words, doesn't matter if the bill is high, stick to cash.

Whome says: "Agreed completely BUT this takes time. The assumption is that the customer is an easy mark until proven otherwise."

Nope... you only need to show you know what you are doing... in your case you showed you were good for the House, I just don't know how good it was to you (well, you got a girls phone number... I got tons of them and I don't even call them at all).
And you are right, you ARE a mark, but for the girls. They will place you on the balance the moment you step in to the club. They can judge in a few minutes if you are good, bad or a total waste of time.

Whome says: "The problem in Mexico, is that the House takes a percentage of EVERYTHING. Sometimes even tips."
Who told you this? Cause you go the story wrong. The house controls EVERYTHING. Everything you pay at a club goes through the House. Girls don't get a percentage, they pay a fix rate to the girls per night, commisions on drinks and a fix rate per VIP privados.
When you pay with credit card, sometimes the girls and the waiters don't see the money coming to them, for weeks
And tips... the waiters get their main income or their whole nightly income from tips. They have no salary coming from the house to add to their pocket.
This is not your case Whome, but it is well known that the poorest tippers are the American tourist that visit Monterrey cause they think that they "punishing" the waiter for a bad service (usually a bad bill), by not tipping thinking that the waiter will be payed anyhow a basic salary.

And Whome... you are so right with the Vegas comparison, but you missed the mark by 20 years and back. Monterrey is like old time Vegas-Italian mafia connection... in those days I used to visit old Las Vegas, and wow, were you subject to people telling you "where 's my tip???"
Once, at the now gone Dunes, we got a dinner bill with a note hand written on it not to forget the 15% tip that sounded more like a threat (in 1997 I read that the Dunes kitchen was controled directly by a relative of one of the Italian Mafia bosses.)

Whome: when you come down to Monterrey... post a post.... lots of place to go.





Carlos Perez, Wellwhome69

"#1. One of the first rules at the clubs is NEVER pay with a credit card. Me, personally, I stoped paying with plastic in the early 90's. "

Agreed but sometimes when you go in with a group. Things get out of control. As a rule, I pay as I go in cash. The last time that I was in Monterrey, this is what happened. Three of us ran through our cash. And guess who got stuck with most of the Bill of about $1000 over our Cash? At least they didn't try to overcharge us. At least by much, if they did. I have a good mind for numbers. No one tried any sheninigans with us at any time. We had a great time. I still have "my" Girl's telephone number. LOL! I did call a week later and she did give me her real number. Just need to get back down there. : (:

"#2 The clubs can be user friendly. Thing is you have to leave a mark, one that shows you are intelligent, that you know how the business runs, and that you might be a potentialy good customer (very important "might be", leave them in doubt that they let go a "very good" customer and they are to blame). "

Agreed completely BUT this takes time. The assumption is that the customer is an easy mark until proven otherwise. A customer shouldn't have to prove anything. Maybe this is the difference with the American/Mexican mentality? The American assume the House and servers are basically "honest" while the Mexican knows better.

My point is IF the House/Server sees that they are dealing with a Tourist who may never come back, then they are toast.

I will pay in Dollars if they have a good exchange rate BUT I use small bills. In the past, I have had to fight for "the $20 for a $5 trick". What I have done in the past is mark my money with my initials. The last two times, they tried this, the house lost. Of course, what doesn't help is that I do not speak Spanish well but I do comprehend at a much higher level.

" #3 I am not a good drinker and USB, Wasted, nor me drink alcoholic beverages, but we do buy the girls drinks, that counts too. "

The same for me. A beer an hour? ! My booze consumption is low for a number of reasons. Of course, it helps to pick a girl who is not a complete cow when it comes to drinks. It helps if you keep them entertained. The problem, for me, is that the Club's Music is sooooooooo loud, I can't hear.

Once I get to know them, I do the Salida method or I see them on their Nights off. Remember I enjoy the GFE.

"#4 Don't worry about the girls being taken in advantage by the clubs. If they feel they are being abused, money being witheld, they just skip the club and move to another one. They are not stupid. They can pretty take care for themsleves. "

Agreed to a point but I think you have to agree that it is more complicated and is really based on economics. If the girl thinks she can make the same without the hassle, she is gone. We both know Clubs that have Homes for some of their girls where they are well taken care of. Their laundry and cooking is done for them. The problem in Mexico, is that the House takes a percentage of EVERYTHING. Sometimes even tips. This is what I resent. The girl is doing the work. Lets face it, the Club can be a realy dive but if they great girls, the guys will show up. BTW, this attitude permeates the Business and is just not Mexican.

"#5 The important thing is obtaining a balance between spending and the fun you obtain. You have to be pretty much on the look out for that because the clubs always have the upper hand"

Agreed. Much like Vegas. This is why I like the Salida approach and/or avoid the Big Glitzy Clubs. A quality choice may not be as good in these other establishments. But you can find a good one. If I remember right, you prefer these "smaller less commercial" Clubs too.

Come to think of it, maybe a good comparison is Vegas over Mexico in terms of customer appreciation and how the Customer is treated? In Vegas, the service people are tip driven but they are not as agressive and the House. Much more laid back.

One of these days, since I live in McAllen, I will get there and spend the night.

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[TJnightwalker]

How's the current price and quality from those newspaper ads where they deliver two or three girls to your hotel/home so you can choose the best?

Back in '95 I paid $200 pesos + the taxi's $50. One hour, all positions, all nude. I had great experiences... What about in the present?

[Porker]

1st, 2nd, and 100th: SORRY to USB for his girl cuttting him off. Even if every single one of us passing on advice to him about her relative merits (or, more likely, DEmerits...), anytime , anyWAY you've managed to overvault the usual bargirl-client relationship is a glorious event, a wave that should be ridden until one crashes and burns.

Re: the whole customer and spending patterns posts, USB is 1000% right about Mexican hooker bars being short-sighted and rather retarded. They'd rather enforce rigid rules than realize that the ODD customer might spend 20x more than the average punter that plays the game the average way. Mexican Hooker Bar Management Schools could surely use a few new case studies! But of course, since the "powers that deny you" get their jobs by being idot relatives to either the money men or star earners, what the hell should anybody expect about their business "acumen"?

As I mentioned to USB last week, re: beer prices, from what I have heard about TJ bars, the single most lucrative beer sellers in all of Mexico, the pony beers they deliver for ladies' drink sales are actually FREE as a volume discount to the bars. When these beers are sold at 7 bucks a pop, it's PURE fucking profit.

Of course, that the average horribly pussywhipped Mexican monger's ONLY expectation is that "his" prostitute that he pays 35+ USD per hour to only LAUGH AT HIS JOKES (usually without ANY sort of touching) actually PAYS that money for NOTHING will only underscore the bottom line that mongering in Mexico is betting against a stacked deck, deck rigged in favor of comparatively over-the-hill, overweight, over-spoiled girls.

[Member #3453]

Muchas Gracias for your condolences Porker...But, as I've had more time to contemplate the loss, I realize that what I lost was of little consequence to me in the big scheme of things, and quite possibly a blessing in disguise.

Your former comments comforted me a great deal...I remember vividly, as we passed all the street walking she-males on the road to my hotel in that taxi from Pasarelas, :D that I am a very lucky man indeed with respect to the emotional support, and the solice, I receive upon my return to the States, returning to the comfort of a loving wife and family. :D I am truly blessed. Thank you for pointing that out...I was truly comforted by it.

As I reflect back on the my "G" girl's personality changes over the last two years, it seems that she has changed significantly compared to when I first met her. Initially, she was quite timid, almost humble in her demeanor, very sweet, seemingly needing a "conventional" and loving existence.

Over time, with all the changes, the fake boobs, the colored contact lenses, the desire for a fake ass, she choosing greed over affairs of the heart, etc...I am able to reconcile that perhaps she was turning into something that I did not particularly want to actually witness in the end anyway.

These girls are intrinsically, very, very greedy. It is their greed that supercedes all else, even to their own detriment. One thing this girl sought more than anything in life was a sincere, faithful boyfriend, and ultimately, a husband of the same description. If she had found him, she would have foresaken her dark side for it. I know that without a doubt. That is why she became so angry with me when I told her about bar fining another girl, and it is ultimately why I am isolated from her now. Our relationship, much to my surprise, went way beyond a normal provider/client relationship.

But, the irony is, she is so warped psychologically, mentally, and emotionally, that she has no intrinsic capacity to achieve true happiness in her character. She does not know where to look, how to conduct herself, and more importantly, she does not have the strength of character to deny her addiction of greed in favor of nourishing her heart. She can not settle for a financially typical existence, not even to satisfy the one thing she craves more than any other thing in the whole world, a faithful guy to put her on a pedastal.

Like so many of these bar girls, she is self destructive, sabataging any hope of actually achieving her heart's desire. I thought I had seen something different in her in the beginning, but I now realize that she is like all the rest of them, incapable of making the personal behavioral decisions that might ultimately make her truly happy in life. That is the tragedy, and that is what makes me sad for her after having known her intimately, and I do not mean sexually.

I had worked on my "G" girls psyche for a year, and she was definitely torn between continuing in her present direction, versus changing her life. I could see the confusion going on in her heart and mind. She was torn between making changes that would have made her at least a slightly more virtuous girl, and possibly eligible to actually find the desires of her heart, versus conducting herself in a manner that no self respecting male would ever condone.

But, when I bar fined another girl, I burst a very big bubble, a bubble that consisted of her own blissful dilusions, and the love in her heart was replaced by something else. The greed in her ultimately won out. She decided that she could no longer permit the visiting Gringo to side track her from her addiction...greed.

The power of her addiction (greed), and the influence of those around her, those working to continually corrupt her further, probably to their own enrichment, during times when I did not have an opportunity to have an influence upon her, further corrupted her thinking.

I could see the tug of war in her that was going on each time I would visit Monterrey. I had significant influence on her when I was here, but when I would leave, she would be sucked back into the abis. The power of her dark side, mostly due to my stupidity at bar fining another girl, and bursting her bubble, eventually consumed her, and drove her to the comfort of her addiction. The greed won out.

I can't help but feel that her decision to pursue her dark side more vigorously is the direct result of my insensitivities to her true desires in life. My skepticism about her sincerity, my thinking that she was just another bar girl, my believing that she might have been insincere, my wondering if she was coniving, my believing that she was probably acting, etc...all lead to my making the decision to bar fine another girl, when in reality, she was actually quite salvageable, verdad in her heart, and totally devastated at my insensitive behavior toward her.

I betrayed her. I am now totally convinced that she was actually in the right frame of mind that had the right eligible male actually come along, and had she been able to deny the influences of others that corrupt her thinking, she might possible have been able to experience those things that I know would have made her happy in life.

But now, I fear that what I initially found so charming in her will eventually spoil beyond salvageability as a result of not only my not comprehending the depth of her feelings, but by she continuing to embrace a lifestyle, the effects of which will ultimately make her ineligible for happiness, as it further undermines what I found so attractive in her initially. For that I am truly sorry. I miss my "G" Girl :-(



1st, 2nd, and 100th: SORRY to USB for his girl cuttting him off. Even if every single one of us passing on advice to him about her relative merits (or, more likely, DEmerits...), anytime , anyWAY you've managed to overvault the usual bargirl-client relationship is a glorious event, a wave that should be ridden until one crashes and burns.

Re: the whole customer and spending patterns posts, USB is 1000% right about Mexican hooker bars being short-sighted and rather retarded. They'd rather enforce rigid rules than realize that the ODD customer might spend 20x more than the average punter that plays the game the average way. Mexican Hooker Bar Management Schools could surely use a few new case studies! But of course, since the "powers that deny you" get their jobs by being idot relatives to either the money men or star earners, what the hell should anybody expect about their business "acumen"?

As I mentioned to USB last week, re: beer prices, from what I have heard about TJ bars, the single most lucrative beer sellers in all of Mexico, the pony beers they deliver for ladies' drink sales are actually FREE as a volume discount to the bars. When these beers are sold at 7 bucks a pop, it's PURE fucking profit.

Of course, that the average horribly pussywhipped Mexican monger's ONLY expectation is that "his" prostitute that he pays 35+ USD per hour to only LAUGH AT HIS JOKES (usually without ANY sort of touching) actually PAYS that money for NOTHING will only underscore the bottom line that mongering in Mexico is betting against a stacked deck, deck rigged in favor of comparatively over-the-hill, overweight, over-spoiled girls.

[Andreo]

Not sure if the place I went to is the same, it certainly rings the same.

Banderas? Anyway, it had a very small "caged" dance floor. About 5 girls. Beer was 50 pesos for 2 and the ladies drink was 70.

I took a nice looking girl (5) and went upstairs through the side door and I get a good screw for 130 pesos including condom.. Now the girls were not at all the same quality as El Infinito or even Matahuala(sp?) but hell! It was fun.

Not sure I would go back to spend a lot of time there, but on the otherhand it was a no pressure joint. Music was too loud!


Ran into a new club last night but didn't remember it's name. It is across the street from Partegon(?) next to the hooker no-tell and the taco stand. A stone's throw away from Infinito on the same side of the street. It is very small and the stage is a circular one-hooker platform about 3feet x 3feet. The place could probably only occupy a maximum of 60 people.

There were about 15 hoes in the place of which 5 were doable. I passed the time with a 20-year-old, six-foot tall blonde with a very, very nice body and a pretty face. A very strong seven if not an eight. 60 peso copa damas and 15 peso beers. After my Cancun experience, this was a welcoming change. Anyway, she claimed that she was previously employed at Paseralas and came here to help start up the new club if you can even call it that. The privadas and salidas take place upstairs and you need to exit the club to get there. 3 x 100 pesos for the privadas and she qouted me 250 pesos/half hour and 400 pesos/one hour for F/S.

Have fun.

[MonterreyDude]

TJnightwalker, of course you know you are talking 12 years ago, right?

If you paid only 200 pesos for a service that time, I will freely and openly call you a cheapskate, cause the girl only gets 100 pesos for herself.

But yes, you can still find out calls to hotels that will serve you, all listed at El Sol afternoon newpaper, but now for 400 pesos and 100 for the taxi (Monterrey has changed a lot in 12 years, sir).

PLUS EXTRAS!!!! Besides the girl will ask for them if you want a better service.

Another thing, most if not all of the hotels will not let girls go to your room...

Plus, Monterrey has becomed the most expensive city in Mexico... you'll notice the changes when you come back...






How's the current price and quality from those newspaper ads where they deliver two or three girls to your hotel/home so you can choose the best?

Back in '95 I paid $200 pesos + the taxi's $50. One hour, all positions, all nude. I had great experiences... What about in the present?

[MonterreyDude]

Oh God... you are a dear good friend USB, but the truth is you totally blew it with the G girl.

#1. You never paid heed to advice.
#2. You dedicated too much time to her.
#3. She always had the upper hand.
#4. You violated the first law of ho's: you bar fined a girl from the same club she works in... we have a saying in Spanish that says "eyes that do not see; heart that doesn't feel"... she never knew exactly what you did after she left you... you had more than a bushel out there besides the Infinito girls and you had to land one from that club.... at that moment the G girl knew what she was dealing with: a backstabber.
#5. Please, lets us stick to the true facts: you were "unfaithful" (as in "this guy is wasting money on other ho???? what about me???... that money should be mine!!!) so, she just let you go.
#6. So now you are blaming her cause she opted to change her look? Is it her fault that you only see her for 5 days out of each every other month???
#7. Stop the messiah complex, right now... you do not have and will not have the influence to help anyone in the business... ever.
#8. Damn it!!! there are girls out their that enjoy your company...!!!! WE (and I mean you, me, Wasted, et al) are not getting younger... LOWER your weird standars and open your eyes at new options!!!
#9. Am going to bed (2:50 am)... ponder on this.
#10. Well... did you? Thought about it????






Muchas Gracias for your condolences Porker...But, as I've had more time to contemplate the loss, I realize that what I lost was of little consequence to me in the big scheme of things, and quite possibly a blessing in disguise.

Your former comments comforted me a great deal...I remember vividly, as we passed all the street walking she-males on the road to my hotel in that taxi from Pasarelas, :D that I am a very lucky man indeed with respect to the emotional support, and the solice, I receive upon my return to the States, returning to the comfort of a loving wife and family. :D I am truly blessed. Thank you for pointing that out...I was truly comforted by it.

As I reflect back on the my "G" girl's personality changes over the last two years, it seems that she has changed significantly compared to when I first met her. Initially, she was quite timid, almost humble in her demeanor, very sweet, seemingly needing a "conventional" and loving existence.

Over time, with all the changes, the fake boobs, the colored contact lenses, the desire for a fake ass, she choosing greed over affairs of the heart, etc...I am able to reconcile that perhaps she was turning into something that I did not particularly want to actually witness in the end anyway.

These girls are intrinsically, very, very greedy. It is their greed that supercedes all else, even to their own detriment. One thing this girl sought more than anything in life was a sincere, faithful boyfriend, and ultimately, a husband of the same description. If she had found him, she would have foresaken her dark side for it. I know that without a doubt. That is why she became so angry with me when I told her about bar fining another girl, and it is ultimately why I am isolated from her now. Our relationship, much to my surprise, went way beyond a normal provider/client relationship.

But, the irony is, she is so warped psychologically, mentally, and emotionally, that she has no intrinsic capacity to achieve true happiness in her character. She does not know where to look, how to conduct herself, and more importantly, she does not have the strength of character to deny her addiction of greed in favor of nourishing her heart. She can not settle for a financially typical existence, not even to satisfy the one thing she craves more than any other thing in the whole world, a faithful guy to put her on a pedastal.

Like so many of these bar girls, she is self destructive, sabataging any hope of actually achieving her heart's desire. I thought I had seen something different in her in the beginning, but I now realize that she is like all the rest of them, incapable of making the personal behavioral decisions that might ultimately make her truly happy in life. That is the tragedy, and that is what makes me sad for her after having known her intimately, and I do not mean sexually.

I had worked on my "G" girls psyche for a year, and she was definitely torn between continuing in her present direction, versus changing her life. I could see the confusion going on in her heart and mind. She was torn between making changes that would have made her at least a slightly more virtuous girl, and possibly eligible to actually find the desires of her heart, versus conducting herself in a manner that no self respecting male would ever condone.

But, when I bar fined another girl, I burst a very big bubble, a bubble that consisted of her own blissful dilusions, and the love in her heart was replaced by something else. The greed in her ultimately won out. She decided that she could no longer permit the visiting Gringo to side track her from her addiction...greed.

The power of her addiction (greed), and the influence of those around her, those working to continually corrupt her further, probably to their own enrichment, during times when I did not have an opportunity to have an influence upon her, further corrupted her thinking.

I could see the tug of war in her that was going on each time I would visit Monterrey. I had significant influence on her when I was here, but when I would leave, she would be sucked back into the abis. The power of her dark side, mostly due to my stupidity at bar fining another girl, and bursting her bubble, eventually consumed her, and drove her to the comfort of her addiction. The greed won out.

I can't help but feel that her decision to pursue her dark side more vigorously is the direct result of my insensitivities to her true desires in life. My skepticism about her sincerity, my thinking that she was just another bar girl, my believing that she might have been insincere, my wondering if she was coniving, my believing that she was probably acting, etc...all lead to my making the decision to bar fine another girl, when in reality, she was actually quite salvageable, verdad in her heart, and totally devastated at my insensitive behavior toward her.

I betrayed her. I am now totally convinced that she was actually in the right frame of mind that had the right eligible male actually come along, and had she been able to deny the influences of others that corrupt her thinking, she might possible have been able to experience those things that I know would have made her happy in life.

But now, I fear that what I initially found so charming in her will eventually spoil beyond salvageability as a result of not only my not comprehending the depth of her feelings, but by she continuing to embrace a lifestyle, the effects of which will ultimately make her ineligible for happiness, as it further undermines what I found so attractive in her initially. For that I am truly sorry. I miss my "G" Girl :-(

[TJnightwalker]

If you paid only 200 pesos for a service that time, I will freely and openly call you a cheapskate, cause the girl only gets 100 pesos for herself.
Think about it. $200 pesos back in '95 are not the same $200 as in '07. I am asking for the current price without intention to pay the same amount as 12 years ago, do not play the smart guy, I am not stupid. Think twice before writing your freely and openly comments.

For the current price, thank you.

[MonterreyDude]

TJnightwalker.

Iam a smart guy... yes indeed.
Am local, I live here, so I know how the business works and it works on a base price and the girls make their money on extras.

So pay attention to the deal: It might be years afterward but the 400 peso deal is the starting price for the girl... 200 pesos of 12 years ago are 400 pesos right now, so tip the girl for her services.

Again, you'll find out that Monterrey has change a lot and it is expensive.
Your first conctact with that will be the taxi from the airport to your hotel.

Ask the girl if extras are in order and even if not, at least give her 100 peso tip.

And again, hotels have changed a lot too. To be on the even side and help you out, post the hotel you are staying at... save you some time and money cause 95% of the hotels totally forbid female visitors.

One more thing: When you came in 1995 the business was new and booming and the few services that offered out calls to the hotels really did offer good quality. Now there are literally a dozen business or more with outcalls, but the girl quality is inferior ( the girls make much more money working at strip clubs).

Better quality is offered by this services:

http://www.lucesazules.com/715.html

http://www.regioscorts.com/

www.lindas.com.mx

But you are talking 90 dollars and up.











Think about it. $200 pesos back in '95 are not the same $200 as in '07. I am asking for the current price without intention to pay the same amount as 12 years ago, do not play the smart guy, I am not stupid. Think twice before writing your freely and openly comments.

For the current price, thank you.

[TJnightwalker]

That's a better and respectful way to inform. I appreciate it.

Btw, I worked in Mty for 2 years, happily living in Santa Engracia.

Thanks again.

[MonterreyDude]

TJ... am not respectful, Iam blunt, 100%.
And all the mongers visiting Monterrey know that am 100% honest and a straight arrow.
I never lie to them, never send them up the wrong way.
Notice my posts to USB.. always been honest to him, and if you go way back to his first trip to Monterrey, I told him up front he was wasting his time and money on stupid SC's that exploited the customer...

Santa Engracia... I go to church there.... that means you are business upscale.
No wonder you don't like to be talked back to.... and your response proves it.
I wrote on the offensive cause I've been reading your posts here at the ISG... you are a SW man at Tijuana.
Am sorry, SW are bottom of the barrel here in Mty.... please excuse my reaction.

TJ: we are in mongerland, not businessland... the Colonia del Valle district has becomed Beverly Hills meets Nightmare on Elm Street.
(You should go to church... right in the middle of the service you can hear the mobiles ringing and they don't care to answer as if they are at the movies).
Everyone is an equal at the Monterrey strip clubs and escort service section, so soldier up and take up the flack... if not the girls will eat your money up!!!

Ask your questions, I'll be glad to help you out...




That's a better and respectful way to inform. I appreciate it.

Btw, I worked in Mty for 2 years, happily living in Santa Engracia.

Thanks again.

[Member #3453]

All the Strip Clubs exploit the customer, some more than others, and in varying ways and degrees (ie: Poission versus El Infinito). It is similiarly true of the MPs, all the way down to the individual girls themselves.

The experience in MTY is a constant bargaining session, and to enter into it otherwise is to set yourself up for the fleasing. Sometimes my posts are misconstrued here with respect to my comments about the quality of certain sessions, when really the goals that I always have in mind center around what I can achieve with respect to time spent versus cost, and as those factors relate to GFE, girl quality, repeat performances, affection levels, etc...I am not necessarily looking to get them as cheaply as possible, but simply to find them that deliver the best quality for a reasonable price. To bargain them down too far, simply sabotages the ultimate delivery of the session. So, there is a happy median range of cost that you have to adhere to in order to get the satisfaction level you're looking for.

But, with respect to costs you can expect to find in Monterrey, here is the cost structure the way I interpret it.

If I were to attend an MP, in order to get the level of quality I prefer, and the service I would have to enjoy in order to justify the expenditure, taking into consideration the cost of my traveling to MTY to begin with, I would have to spend no less than 550-650 pesos, including tip.

My expectation level in that price range, frankly, would be relatively conservative. If I were to anticipate getting what I know would be satisfying to me, I expect that I would have to spend at least 700-1500 pesos, plus tip.

I once enjoyed an MP experience at one of the higher end MPs several years ago, Versace, and it cost me 800 pesos for 45 minutes. That pricing is outdated because it had to have been over 4 years ago. It was a "good" experience with a "hot" girl. But, in order to achieve the level of experience that I prefer, the ones that make the travel cost worthwhile, I know in my heart of hearts that I would have to spend probably at least 1200-1700 pesos in a place like Romanos or Misses for example. I choose not to spend the money in the MPs for that reason because I can achieve superior over all quality sessions spending it on the girls in the clubs, because I can get significantly more time out of them than I can in the high end MPs.

If one is a TJ "door girl" kind of monger, then maybe the 500 pesos will suffice in Monterrey MPs. But, literally, you will get street walker/room girl service, and you should expect to bargain hard to make sure they deliver what was promises in your initial negotiations. Keep in mind, some places like Signore are recommended because they are generally superior to the other MPs in quality of experience, getting what you anticipate in exchange for the price paid. But, for every Signore, there are 3-5 MPs where you must watch their every move.

And, a word of warning, don't even attempt to visit MTY with any kind of TJ pre-conceived expectations because you will be disappointed with respect to the cost/service comparison. As Carlos said, Monterrey is a very expensive place to monger in Mexico, and TJ has a price structure that does not compare to MTY, missing an entire range of pricing that is available to you in TJ and not in MTY.

If you analyze the price structure in TJ, there is an entire middle tear of pricing that does not exist in Monterrey. Your lowest range of acceptable service, at least for my opinion, is going to be in the 500 pesos range in MTY. In TJ, there exists a incrementally well dispersed price range that makes choices below the 500 pesos expenditure a viable option where some would anticipate an acceptible level of satisfaction...but, not in Monterrey.

With respect to room girls, we only have the ones that stand outside a few of the hotels at Pino Suarez and Reforma, and outside the bars in the alley to the east of Pino Suarez on Reforma. They are girls that, for the most part, are not attractive, and they number fewer than probably 10-15 girls on a good night or afternoon. The cost in that venue may be akin to TJ, but be prepared to bargain hard to get what was promised.

With regard to street walkers, the "girls" that street walk in Monterrey are primarily "she-males," and there are maybe 5-6 of them on a weekend night. The policia sweep the city looking to remove all streetwalkers from the streets, so they are not a common sight. There may be about 3-4 actual female street walkers on a Saturday night along Madero to the East of El Central, and possibly some walking along the road parallel to Madero immediately to the South, but they are all older, fatter, etc...and, as I said, many, many of them are transvestites.

I don't really know those costs, but I assume they are probably in the 200-300 pesos range. Carlos can confirm or deny that one. Frankly, I don't know if any of us really knows because none of us have tried going that route. When we see them, we just jokingly refer to them as one another's girlfriends, and whisk past them on the way to the clubs. They truly are that poor in quality, except for the transvestities. As is the norm in many other venues such as Thailand, the transvestities actually "look" better than some girls, especially at a glance. So beware if you frequent the streetwalker scene in MTY and Bangkok :D




TJ... am not respectful, Iam blunt, 100%.
And all the mongers visiting Monterrey know that am 100% honest and a straight arrow.
I never lie to them, never send them up the wrong way.
Notice my posts to USB.. always been honest to him, and if you go way back to his first trip to Monterrey, I told him up front he was wasting his time and money on stupid SC's that exploited the customer...

Santa Engracia... I go to church there.... that means you are business upscale.
No wonder you don't like to be talked back to.... and your response proves it.
I wrote on the offensive cause I've been reading your posts here at the ISG... you are a SW man at Tijuana.
Am sorry, SW are bottom of the barrel here in Mty.... please excuse my reaction.

TJ: we are in mongerland, not businessland... the Colonia del Valle district has becomed Beverly Hills meets Nightmare on Elm Street.
(You should go to church... right in the middle of the service you can hear the mobiles ringing and they don't care to answer as if they are at the movies).
Everyone is an equal at the Monterrey strip clubs and escort service section, so soldier up and take up the flack... if not the girls will eat your money up!!!

Ask your questions, I'll be glad to help you out...

[Willa1]

All,

I had the opportunity last week for a quick trip to Monterrey. Arriving Tuesday morning. And thanks guys. Your tips on the clubs were right on. I had excellent experiences at Harem, Excaliber, Poisson's in prior trips. And had the privilage of being escorted by Carlos on my last trip last year, so after reviewing the last couple of weeks of postings, & in spite of my poor spanish, went to Infinito (first excellent recommendation! )around 10: 15 Tuesday night. Ohter than the 'pat down' at the door, an excellent experience. Perfect timing too- got a chance to settle in & in time for the shift change (second excellent recommendation).

One of the waiters (Erik) took pity on me. And set me up between the stages. & kept me out of big trouble. Not speaking spanish is a decided disadvantage. Not from a safety or an opportunity standpoint (all options are still open) & if you stay in control-you won't get ripped off. But you do miss the playful interaction with the girls. Overall, no 10's, but severaal girls who I could have fun with. Anyway. 4 privados with 4 different girls. 2 interesting (50 pesos for 4 minutes). One not so (with a very young, inexperienced, very slim girl). And one that was very good. At least as good as FS in a chair can be. 'C' was extremely attentive. And understanding in getting this middle aged guy prepared (very energetic). And was very 'determined' (in a good way) to make sure I was satisfied. Once complete. Though. She was on to better things. Damage 430 pesos. Overall, given my lack of local language skills, by far the best 'value' for a quick night out.

Did go across the street around 1:30 (Givenchy? ). And was idsappointed. Did not see anyone interesting. So called it a night.

End result. Recommended for all. Spanish would help. But not necessary for a good time.

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[MonterreyDude]

Well, the difference between TJ and Monterrey, and with all due respect to those that go to TJ, is that Tijuana has been getting bottom of the barrel kind of girls, for a long while now.
I have been discussing this at other forums, that all the border towns (NL, Reynosa, Matamoros, Juarez, Tijuana) have frozen in time, with the mongers still paying early 90's prices.
Nowhere in main Mexico can you find good quality girls that charge you 40-60 dlls. Mean price right now is above 90-100 dlls. and up... way up.
Ergo, the best girls have stopped going to border towns, but instead are now aiming for the beach resorts like Los Cabos, Mazatlan, Cancun, Playa del Carmen, Acapulco, where they can charge top dollar: 200-300 dlls.
So even in Monterrey we don't get top quality, only good and above good.

The demiss of the Zonas is inminent and nowhere can this be more visible than at Nuevo Laredo's Boystown, that it is virtualy dead and only the modern SCs are fruitfull and working.



All the Strip Clubs exploit the customer, some more than others, and in varying ways and degrees (ie: Poission versus El Infinito). It is similiarly true of the MPs, all the way down to the individual girls themselves.

The experience in MTY is a constant bargaining session, and to enter into it otherwise is to set yourself up for the fleasing. Sometimes my posts are misconstrued here with respect to my comments about the quality of certain sessions, when really the goals that I always have in mind center around what I can achieve with respect to time spent versus cost, and as those factors relate to GFE, girl quality, repeat performances, affection levels, etc...I am not necessarily looking to get them as cheaply as possible, but simply to find them that deliver the best quality for a reasonable price. To bargain them down too far, simply sabotages the ultimate delivery of the session. So, there is a happy median range of cost that you have to adhere to in order to get the satisfaction level you're looking for.

But, with respect to costs you can expect to find in Monterrey, here is the cost structure the way I interpret it.

If I were to attend an MP, in order to get the level of quality I prefer, and the service I would have to enjoy in order to justify the expenditure, taking into consideration the cost of my traveling to MTY to begin with, I would have to spend no less than 550-650 pesos, including tip.

My expectation level in that price range, frankly, would be relatively conservative. If I were to anticipate getting what I know would be satisfying to me, I expect that I would have to spend at least 700-1500 pesos, plus tip.

I once enjoyed an MP experience at one of the higher end MPs several years ago, Versace, and it cost me 800 pesos for 45 minutes. That pricing is outdated because it had to have been over 4 years ago. It was a "good" experience with a "hot" girl. But, in order to achieve the level of experience that I prefer, the ones that make the travel cost worthwhile, I know in my heart of hearts that I would have to spend probably at least 1200-1700 pesos in a place like Romanos or Misses for example. I choose not to spend the money in the MPs for that reason because I can achieve superior over all quality sessions spending it on the girls in the clubs, because I can get significantly more time out of them than I can in the high end MPs.

If one is a TJ "door girl" kind of monger, then maybe the 500 pesos will suffice in Monterrey MPs. But, literally, you will get street walker/room girl service, and you should expect to bargain hard to make sure they deliver what was promises in your initial negotiations. Keep in mind, some places like Signore are recommended because they are generally superior to the other MPs in quality of experience, getting what you anticipate in exchange for the price paid. But, for every Signore, there are 3-5 MPs where you must watch their every move.

And, a word of warning, don't even attempt to visit MTY with any kind of TJ pre-conceived expectations because you will be disappointed with respect to the cost/service comparison. As Carlos said, Monterrey is a very expensive place to monger in Mexico, and TJ has a price structure that does not compare to MTY, missing an entire range of pricing that is available to you in TJ and not in MTY.

If you analyze the price structure in TJ, there is an entire middle tear of pricing that does not exist in Monterrey. Your lowest range of acceptable service, at least for my opinion, is going to be in the 500 pesos range in MTY. In TJ, there exists a incrementally well dispersed price range that makes choices below the 500 pesos expenditure a viable option where some would anticipate an acceptible level of satisfaction...but, not in Monterrey.

With respect to room girls, we only have the ones that stand outside a few of the hotels at Pino Suarez and Reforma, and outside the bars in the alley to the east of Pino Suarez on Reforma. They are girls that, for the most part, are not attractive, and they number fewer than probably 10-15 girls on a good night or afternoon. The cost in that venue may be akin to TJ, but be prepared to bargain hard to get what was promised.

With regard to street walkers, the "girls" that street walk in Monterrey are primarily "she-males," and there are maybe 5-6 of them on a weekend night. The policia sweep the city looking to remove all streetwalkers from the streets, so they are not a common sight. There may be about 3-4 actual female street walkers on a Saturday night along Madero to the East of El Central, and possibly some walking along the road parallel to Madero immediately to the South, but they are all older, fatter, etc...and, as I said, many, many of them are transvestites.

I don't really know those costs, but I assume they are probably in the 200-300 pesos range. Carlos can confirm or deny that one. Frankly, I don't know if any of us really knows because none of us have tried going that route. When we see them, we just jokingly refer to them as one another's girlfriends, and whisk past them on the way to the clubs. They truly are that poor in quality, except for the transvestities. As is the norm in many other venues such as Thailand, the transvestities actually "look" better than some girls, especially at a glance. So beware if you frequent the streetwalker scene in MTY and Bangkok :D

[Bbond]

......Nuevo Laredo's Boystown, that it is virtualy dead and only the modern SCs are fruitfull and working.


I disagree Carlos, NLBT is dismal, compared to years past, but far from dead.

[MonterreyDude]

Dismal... I stand corrected (good word).

But anyway BB, frozen in time is a good description... and like I been insisting, the search for cheapness is killing NLBT.

You are not getting the best of girls and it is starting to dry up.

Look at the girls that are now moving to Acuña, looking for greener pastures and what's worse, I got girlfriends that are going to Porkerland (Saltillo, Coahulia 40 minutes away from Monterrey, home of the world famous Porker) a town no bigger than 350,000... cause they can get even better money than here in Monterrey.
(My girlfriend told me she can charge 1500-2000 pesos per full service at the club in Saltillo, as as opposed to the 800-900 she gets here in-call).




I disagree Carlos, NLBT is dismal, compared to years past, but far from dead.

[Member #3453]

I've been hearing that the better venue these days with respect to the entertainment along the Texas border is Reynosa, and that NLBT is a shadow of it's former self. Too bad...


Dismal... I stand corrected (good word).

But anyway BB, frozen in time is a good description... and like I been insisting, the search for cheapness is killing NLBT.

You are not getting the best of girls and it is starting to dry up.

Look at the girls that are now moving to Acuña, looking for greener pastures and what's worse, I got girlfriends that are going to Porkerland (Saltillo, Coahulia 40 minutes away from Monterrey, home of the world famous Porker) a town no bigger than 350,000... cause they can get even better money than here in Monterrey.
(My girlfriend told me she can charge 1500-2000 pesos per full service at the club in Saltillo, as as opposed to the 800-900 she gets here in-call).

[MonterreyDude]

At Reynosa they only have 2 places to go too: Lipstick and El Baston Club... and a bunch of low end bars.
And the guys going to Lipstick are complaining that the girls are charging now at or above 800 - 900 pesos.



I've been hearing that the better venue these days with respect to the entertainment along the Texas border is Reynosa, and that NLBT is a shadow of it's former self. Too bad...

[Bbond]

At Reynosa they only have 2 places to go too: Lipstick and El Baston Club... and a bunch of low end bars.
And the guys going to Lipstick are complaining that the girls are charging now at or above 800 - 900 pesos.

Lipsticks? Try 1200 -1500, and up.

[TJnightwalker]

Wtf is wrong with you guys? I just came here with a fucking simple question and you are acting like a bunch of putas waiting to grab the only customer who dare to walk your lonely street? C'mon... grow up!

Over.

[Member #3453]

Wtf is wrong with you guys? I just came here with a fucking simple question and you are acting like a bunch of putas waiting to grab the only customer who dare to walk your lonely street? C'mon... grow up!

Over.

Specifically, what is your complaint TJnighttroller? I don't understand your frustration. Trolling is a waste of our time...You either want the information of not. It seems to me that all have given you a plethera of information. "WTF" is right. As in, WTF are you complaining about. :D

[Member #3453]

Lipsticks? Try 1200 -1500, and up.


BBond,

I have been contemplating a revist to Reynosa, primarily to visit with a mongering friend who goes there regularly. But, the cost ratio sounds pretty steep...Is that really 1200-1500 pesos...for what? One hour...45 minutes? On-site or at your hotel? etc...When I initially started to visit Mexico, I started out in NLBT, Reynosa, and Matamoros, but after visiting Monterrey, and after comparing quality of experience, etc...I just never looked back. That was probably over five years ago. If quality has substantially fallen, then perhaps Monterrey is even significantly better now than before in comparison. Mty literally has not changed much in five years. I've changed, but it hasn't. But, frankly, the cost of travel would literally be half the cost of airfaire to Mty versus to Reynosa or Laredo. Plus, if I get a hankerin' for MTY, I am only a three hour bus ride away, 180 pesos.

[MonterreyDude]

I stand corrected again... thank you BB


Lipsticks? Try 1200 -1500, and up.

[MonterreyDude]

USB... I know what you like, and you will absolutly not like the selection offered at Reynosa... and yes, it's 1200-1500 pesos plus the hotel...




BBond,

I have been contemplating a revist to Reynosa, primarily to visit with a mongering friend who goes there regularly. But, the cost ratio sounds pretty steep...Is that really 1200-1500 pesos...for what? One hour...45 minutes? On-site or at your hotel? etc...When I initially started to visit Mexico, I started out in NLBT, Reynosa, and Matamoros, but after visiting Monterrey, and after comparing quality of experience, etc...I just never looked back. That was probably over five years ago. If quality has substantially fallen, then perhaps Monterrey is even significantly better now than before in comparison. Mty literally has not changed much in five years. I've changed, but it hasn't. But, frankly, the cost of travel would literally be half the cost of airfaire to Mty versus to Reynosa or Laredo. Plus, if I get a hankerin' for MTY, I am only a three hour bus ride away, 180 pesos.

[MonterreyDude]

TJ, I answered your post at #2068....
Got lost in the chatter but I wll reproduce it here for your benefit:

TJ... am not respectful, Iam blunt, 100%.
And all the mongers visiting Monterrey know that am 100% honest and a straight arrow.
I never lie to them, never send them up the wrong way.
Notice my posts to USB.. always been honest to him, and if you go way back to his first trip to Monterrey, I told him up front he was wasting his time and money on stupid SC's that exploited the customer...

Santa Engracia... I go to church there.... that means you are business upscale.
No wonder you don't like to be talked back to.... and your response proves it.
I wrote on the offensive cause I've been reading your posts here at the ISG... you are a SW man at Tijuana.
Am sorry, SW are bottom of the barrel here in Mty.... please excuse my reaction.

TJ: we are in mongerland, not businessland... the Colonia del Valle district has becomed Beverly Hills meets Nightmare on Elm Street.
(You should go to church... right in the middle of the service you can hear the mobiles ringing and they don't care to answer as if they are at the movies).
Everyone is an equal at the Monterrey strip clubs and escort service section, so soldier up and take up the flack and... if not the girls will eat your money up!!!

Ask your questions, I'll be glad to help you out...






Wtf is wrong with you guys? I just came here with a fucking simple question and you are acting like a bunch of putas waiting to grab the only customer who dare to walk your lonely street? C'mon... grow up!

Over.

[Albatros]

Hello Carlos Perez,

Some years ago, I was in Monterrey and visited Obsession Club. There was a girl named Kennedy who was quite pretty and I wonder whether that girl keeps working there or if she is working at any other club.

As I will go to Monterrey next week will be grateful if you have some information about her.

Thank you and regards.

[Member #3453]

Anybody ever heard of the following clubs??? Carlos...WastedG??? Anybody?

woman en licon y r ang el frias

I assume these are the names of two clubs, and they were sent to me via bar girl text, in bar girl ebonics. Anybody heard of them, and if so, where exactly are they located? And, if you know something about the clubs, give me a synopsis of them individually. Thanks...

[MonterreyDude]

Hello Albatross...
The working treshold for a girl working at a 5 star club is no more the2-3 years.
Althought I don't go to the Obsession at night, I know as a fact that the manifest has changed 2-3 times over in the last 2 years.

Working at another club... impossible to determine.

There are are too many SC to follow (over 20 SCs). The girls also change their names or mainly, moved from the city or maybe retire.

I can asure you one thing Albatross, there are many more options from where to make a new pick.
I guarantee that to the full extent and I also guarantee that you'll have fun.
The Obsession for the moment boasts 30-40 girls at night.

I must point out that I believe you'll find changes at the club asides from the girls... it is more expensive now than before.

If you have any questions on Monterrey and how things are going on right now... I'll be glad to answer them... put you up to date.





Hello Carlos Perez,

Some years ago, I was in Monterrey and visited Obsession Club. There was a girl named Kennedy who was quite pretty and I wonder whether that girl keeps working there or if she is working at any other club.

As I will go to Monterrey next week will be grateful if you have some information about her.

Thank you and regards.

[MonterreyDude]

It's only one club: Womans, located where told, Lincoln Ave at Rangel Frias.
It is the Harem cloned, at the West side of the City, 10 minutes to the North West of the Casino.
Owned by the owners of the Poisson. Dark, small and seedy as the Harem, with an enlongated stage like the Infinito cutting through the middle.

Who moved over there?




Anybody ever heard of the following clubs??? Carlos...WastedG??? Anybody?

woman en licon y r ang el frias

I assume these are the names of two clubs, and they were sent to me via bar girl text, in bar girl ebonics. Anybody heard of them, and if so, where exactly are they located? And, if you know something about the clubs, give me a synopsis of them individually. Thanks...

[Member #3453]

It's only one club: Womans, located where told, Lincoln Ave at Rangel Frias.
It is the Harem cloned, at the West side of the City, 10 minutes to the North West of the Casino.
Owned by the owners of the Poisson. Dark, small and seedy as the Harem, with an enlongated stage like the Infinito cutting through the middle.

Who moved over there?

That seems pretty far away, verdad? Uhhhhhmmmm, is it worth it to visit that club in the future??? Why would she go over there from Pasarelas??? It sounds like there was a mass firing over a Pasarelas. And, look now at the shitty quality over there. Guess whom???? :D It starts with a "C" or an "S." Yes, she is still texting me...wondering if I am in Monterrey. My "G" girl is not longer an option, but "Womans" Girl is tight, tight, tight, and GFE to the max with me. And, frankly, she spends time. And, if times are slow, she might just need the dough. A very good combination of factors. If you don't want me returning to her, you had better find me other options, and fast...I warn you...hahahahaha :D

[Member #3453]

It's only one club: Womans, located where told, Lincoln Ave at Rangel Frias.
It is the Harem cloned, at the West side of the City, 10 minutes to the North West of the Casino.
Owned by the owners of the Poisson. Dark, small and seedy as the Harem, with an enlongated stage like the Infinito cutting through the middle.

Who moved over there?

That seems pretty far away, verdad? Uhhhhhmmmm, is it worth it to visit that club in the future??? Why would she go over there from Pasarelas??? It sounds like there was a mass firing over a Pasarelas, "A" girl, "X" who is now at the Harem...And, look now at the shitty quality over there at Pasarelas. I did not fully realize that all the decent girls had been fired at Pasarelas when I visited last week. But now, it all makes sense.

Guess whom moved over there???? :D It starts with a "C#1" or an "S." take your pick.

Yes, she is still texting me :D wondering if I am in Monterrey. My "G" girl is no longer an option, but "Womans" Girl is tight, tight, tight.., in fact, much tighter than "G" frankly, and GFE to the max with me. And, frankly, she spends the GFE time I like. And, if times are slow, she might just need the dough. A very good combination of factors.

She texted me last night looking for me. Is business typically slower there than the Madero Avenue Clubs? If so, motivating her could be very interesting.


If you don't want me returning to her, you had better find me other options, and fast...I warn you...moooo ooo hahahahaha :D

[MonterreyDude]

Me?
You are the one that wants a blast form the past... not me.
Told you a hundred times you should have burried her long time ago.
She is bad news and you don't believe it... she openly, frontaly and unebarrassedly controls you.
Need to make it more clear???



That seems pretty far away, verdad? Uhhhhhmmmm, is it worth it to visit that club in the future??? Why would she go over there from Pasarelas??? It sounds like there was a mass firing over a Pasarelas, "A" girl, "X" who is now at the Harem...And, look now at the shitty quality over there at Pasarelas. I did not fully realize that all the decent girls had been fired at Pasarelas when I visited last week. But now, it all makes sense.

Guess whom moved over there???? :D It starts with a "C#1" or an "S." take your pick.

Yes, she is still texting me :D wondering if I am in Monterrey. My "G" girl is no longer an option, but "Womans" Girl is tight, tight, tight.., in fact, much tighter than "G" frankly, and GFE to the max with me. And, frankly, she spends the GFE time I like. And, if times are slow, she might just need the dough. A very good combination of factors.

She texted me last night looking for me. Is business typically slower there than the Madero Avenue Clubs? If so, motivating her could be very interesting.


If you don't want me returning to her, you had better find me other options, and fast...I warn you...moooo ooo hahahahaha :D

[Member #3453]

Me?
You are the one that wants a blast form the past... not me.
Told you a hundred times you should have burried her long time ago.
She is bad news and you don't believe it... she openly, frontaly and unebarrassedly controls you.

Need to make it more clear???How does Cindy #1 control me now. These days? In what specific ways? I will admit that she ran a game on me initially, four years ago. But, that was four years ago.

I fully understand her potential volatilities, but I also know the performance level of other options in comparison, and I know them all first hand, after having been with her since the year 2003 or sooner. In the moment, she is a pretty good performer. The last time I bar fined her, two months ago, she agreed to go to my hotel for free, stayed 5 hours, and I gave her 1000 pesos anyway.

Then, the following day, I went to Pasarelas and sat with an entirely new girl, even with Cindy #1 sitting right by my side while I fondled and entertained her potential next night's replacement.

The 1000 pesos kept "me" in control. She eventually left my side to find other prospects. I fail to see where she has any control over me whatsoever, and she knows it. She is the one in need of my money, and she knows I have many, many, other options. I am in total control over that one.

But, more specifically regarding my "G" girl, how can you postulate that I lost control over anything in that scenario? What? A year of Hi-bred GFE is not significant enough performance to prove my point? How much more control do I need to get 8-12 hour sessions for 1000 pesos, all delivered exactly to my complete and total satisfaction, for as many days of the week I desire her by my side?

Fact is, I was still, even up until the afternoon of October 5th, in total control of my "G" girl until I stupidly bar fined another girl the previous night, and told her about it. It was at that exact moment that I lost control. For an entire year, and up until that very moment, the moment I told her, she was responding to my every whim, and for a fraction of what it costs for P4P in Monterrey.

That is NOT losing control. An entire year of Hi-bred GFE, not just regular GFE, and not the typical shit performance of most MTY SC girls either. But, Hi-bred GFE delivered just exactly how I like it? That is NOT losing control! Doesn't a whole year of that kind of consistent performance count for any sort of testimonial whatsoever. Her track record with me over the course of an entire year speaks for itself.

I sincerely fail to see where I lost control of anything, except of course to pull such a stupid stunt as to sabotage what I had going with my "G" girl. That, I will admit, is exactly when I lost control, exactly 8 days ago. For the previous 365 days, my "G" girl was everything I could ever have hoped for in Monterrey, and then some.

So, now I am at this juncture. So, now, what are the wise and potentially successful recommendations that will fix my problems with my "G" girl at this juncture, eight days after losing control. The lack of control is in the here and now with her? I did not need the advice to proliferate an unbelievable GFE for an entire year. But now, yes. I need the advice.

There is no advice to give because this was not a typical client/bar girl relationship. All the mongering experience in the world will not repair this rift. I need the advice of a true Don Juan to know how to recover this scenario. I am all ears. But, unfortunately, I fear that most that are strictly in the mongering mindset will not really understand how to fix this problem. It is a different scenario than we are used to dealing with, and I need others to think outside the box.

[Whome69]

From a previous post, you were analyzing Reynosa to Mty. May I ask where you live? I live in McAllen. Never been to the Laredo BT. I understand that they are developing a BT in Progresso which is about a 30 minute ride from McAllen.

BTW, I just took the Bus from Monterrey to Reynosa and it was only $15. 75 one way. It seems that the only Currency in the World that has faired worse than our shitty Dollar is the Mexican Peso. Even the Canadian Dollar is worth more than the US Dollar.

[MonterreyDude]

My 2 cents:
Believe me Whome... we all know the quality of girls working at the border town Zonas.

And why complain about a bus fare being $15,75??? Mexico has always been cheaper than the US in many more things that you can think off.
Doctors are cheaper.
Dentists are cheaper.
Utilities are cheaper
Food at the market is cheaper.
Meat at the marker is cheaper...
Gasoline is cheaper
Living in Mexico is easier than in the US.

Again... Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.



From a previous post, you were analyzing Reynosa to Mty. May I ask where you live? I live in McAllen. Never been to the Laredo BT. I understand that they are developing a BT in Progresso which is about a 30 minute ride from McAllen.

BTW, I just took the Bus from Monterrey to Reynosa and it was only $15. 75 one way. It seems that the only Currency in the World that has faired worse than our shitty Dollar is the Mexican Peso. Even the Canadian Dollar is worth more than the US Dollar.

[Member #3453]

Hola Whom69,

I live in a Midwestern City, approximately four to five hours from Laredo by air. I do occassionally travel through Laredo by air when I choose to ride the bus to Monterrey. But, I never really choose to stay for a visit to NLBT because I passed judgement on it compared to MTY over five years ago.

Anyway, the reason I mentioned Reynosa initially was out of my own curiosity, which was peaked by a friend that frequents that area. I really can't comment on the quality of experience in either location, NLBT or Reynosa, with any accuracy these days because I haven't visited there for at least five years. My perceptions five years ago were that MTY is far superior in every respect to both locations, and by a huge margin. But, MTY is a little more difficult venue to logistically learn, so some might find the task somewhat difficult in comparison to having a Zona kind of environment.

Carlos was instrumental in teaching me everything he knows about MTY, so it became quite easy for me there. I am totally comfortable there at this juncture, five years later. So, I opt to visit MTY in lieu of the Zonas on the border.

I have a friend living in Houston, one that I have actually traveled the world with, mongering in the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, and Monterrey. He travels occassionally to Monterrey, but I believe he settles for Reynosa at this juncture instead of making the trip all the way to Monterrey from Houston. Plus, he had some work scheduling limitations that make Reynosa more convenient, at least it is more convenient to visit the border scene than to travel to Monterrey.

I don't know if he'll see this post, and jump in here or not. If so he can confirm or deny his opinions. I know he reads the board, but he is content commenting only infrequently. He seems to prefer to monger in Asia, but the difficulty of travel there prompts him to supplement those trips with something in between, so he opts for Reynosa.

Recently, he told me that Reynosa isn't too bad, and I've been hearing that BT has really declined. I may be imagining it, but I believe he may have said that he believes Reynosa to be superior now to BT. Of course, I don't believe he believes that BT and Reynosa combined can equal Monterrey, but he finds it easier just to travel to Reynosa rather than invest the time, and slight additional expense, of traveling to Monterrey in lieu of Reynosa.

I haven't visited BT or Reynosa in years. Fact is, the one and only time I ever visited Reynosa, was when, literally, the night before my visit, Reynosa was hit with a tornado, and it went directly through the middle of the zona. There were power lines down, no electricity, etc...A great time to visit the Zona for the first time, right? WRONG...no girls, no action to speak of....So, I never really got the chance to fully evaluate it. Plus, it was probably about five years ago that I visited Reynosa for the first time. With respect to BT, the time frame is about the same. In comparing the quality of experience in NLBT, I ultimately decided that Monterrey was so far superior that to waste my time in NLBT, after making such a long trek from the Midwest was ludicrous. So, ever since, I have frequented Monterrey.



From a previous post, you were analyzing Reynosa to Mty. May I ask where you live? I live in McAllen. Never been to the Laredo BT. I understand that they are developing a BT in Progresso which is about a 30 minute ride from McAllen.

BTW, I just took the Bus from Monterrey to Reynosa and it was only $15. 75 one way. It seems that the only Currency in the World that has faired worse than our shitty Dollar is the Mexican Peso. Even the Canadian Dollar is worth more than the US Dollar.

[Frank Lucas]

The Reynosa boystown is no MTY but as USB pointed out, each one has its pros and cons. Reynosa for me is easy to get there and back. While MTY is a little more effort and I just dont have the time these days. Reynosa does have great girls there. I have a relationship with about 7 girls that work there and are my regulars. There are easily 30-40 door girls on the later days of the week, cannot comment on the other days as I have not been there. The conditions in Reynosa are not as bad as one would think. I have heard from a good friend that went to NLBT that its in the shitter now and has been for a while. Most of the clubs that I liked and were reasonable price are gone and no one really goes that much. The boystown in Progresso is sad and not worth a visit, been there and done that, they may have 3 buildings all stocked with fuglies. If there airfare to MTY would go down I could make a return trip soon. I dont do the club girls like USB and Carlos, I stick to the MP's and I believe thus the reason that I dont mind the border town that much, same kind of service and price, but in a better setting in MTY in AC, haha.

[Member #3453]

life may or may not be easier...but, one thing i have noticed about mexico is that it is a damned site noisier than the usa. what is it with all that noise, music blasting from each and every store front, in the streets, blasting music in the clubs, blasting horns at the drop of hat... :d quiet...quiet, i need peace and quiet for a complete recovery.

actually, i agree with mj, it is seemingly much more convenient. by that i mean, regimented, documented, confirmed, organized, disciplined, and quite significantly quieter. i believe that things are more lax in mexico, giving the impression that life is easier. but, it is actually smoke and mirrors. life is made more complicated by a more lax environment.

religion??? watch bill o'reilly tonight...very interesting take on the influence of the catholic church in the us, including the protestant churches as well, and specifically with respect to the hugely declining influence over our society with respect to the formerly powerful influence of the christian religion in general, especially in one city in particular, that is, compared to years past...i won't let it out of the bag, but you will find it most enlightening carlos.

mexico is certainly a reprieve from the confines of a very orderly lifestyle such as what we experience here in the usa. i would return, but i am retired.


i still insist it is easier mj.
like right now, freedom of speech is more to the point here in mexico than in the us.
the catholic religous right now has limited power as compared to the christian religous right in the us.... and wow, did our religous right made us suffer!!!
interest rates for housing and cars and credits are, might be high, but right now there no traps as the housing bubble that just recently burst in the us (thing that happened in 1994 for us).
it's easy for you as a foreign guy to work in mexico, than me going to us and find a job.
the list is long mj...

might be that i chose the wrong word... not easier... less complicated?
is that better????

[Whome69]

My 2 cents:
Believe me Whome... we all know the quality of girls working at the border town Zonas.

And why complain about a bus fare being $15,75??? Mexico has always been cheaper than the US in many more things that you can think off.
Doctors are cheaper.
Dentists are cheaper.
Utilities are cheaper
Food at the market is cheaper.
Meat at the marker is cheaper...
Gasoline is cheaper
Living in Mexico is easier than in the US.

Again... Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

I am NOT complaining about the buses in Mexico. They are clean quality buses that run well. As whicn you know, there is nothing in the USA to compare to the Executive Class of Mexican Bus. My reference to the 15. 75 price (last Thursday) was in response to USB's quoted bus price of $18. The actual price is even less than what he quoted. A bargain to the $40+ toll for the Autopista to Monterrey. I hate ALL Toll roads. The toll has risen over time. Very profitable for the private owners.

Health Care is cheaper in Mexico but you do have to make a "wise choice" in finding a quality provider. Their standards are lower than the USA. And we all know that the Pharmacy is significantly less.

Utilities are cheaper but are not as reliable. I assume you have a Water tank on your home?

Food products are cheaper BUT generally the standard of quality of the fresh market (produce and meats) is lower but you do have a much wider variety of produce. The US and the rest of the world gets the better product exported for obvious reasons. I dealt in Mexico for many years in this area. Is fresh poultry products still more expensive in Mexico? I think most of the Ag. Tarrifs are gone or will be gone by the end of the year BUT Mexico still has problem in Poultry production? I know that the Mexican cold cut/sausage industry drives a demand for US Poultry. What are the concerns for the increase in Corn Prices in the price of Tortillas and other corn related products in Mexico? I hear that Mexican Cokes are going to Corn Syrup from their Cane Syrup? I LOVE Mexican Cokes.

Gasoline at this time is cheaper by about a dime a gallon, but this can change. I have seen higher prices in Mexico. People on both sides of the River take advantage of price differences. Diesel is waaaaaaaaaaaay less in Mexico. A friend of mine goes to Camargo to fill up his Suburban. He lives in Rio Grande City.

My point was not an attack on Mexico. Mexico is a beautiful Country. A truly Capitalistic Country assuming you have $$$$. It looks like I will be involved in a business in Monterrey again. I don't particularly like the new corporate tax rates in Mexico (18%) for Maquillas which won't effect us since we will be a "regular" SA. On the other hand, I will have a "need" to go to Monterrey on a regular basis:

BTW, my reference to the Peso was that it was tied to the Dollar but the Peso continues to erode faster. The Dollar sucks. Last year, I converted over to the Euro at 1. 25 and now it is over 1. 40. A 12%+ return just on the rates.

Granted, the depth of quality of women in Reynosa is nothing compared to Monterrey but you can find a good one if you are willing to wait. In fact the entire City is nothing compared to Monterrey.

One thing about your City that I do not like is your traffic patterns? If you miss an exit, you have to travel "forever" to turn around! Very unforgiving. People complain about the traffic but most major cities suck.

[MonterreyDude]

I know you are not attacking Mexico...

Whome says: "Health Care is cheaper in Mexico but you do have to make a "wise choice" in finding a quality provider. Their standards are lower than the USA. And we all know that the Pharmacy is significantly less."

You know how much I pay for a check up? 500 pesos at an upscale clinic.
You know how much I paid at my dentist at the upscale Colonia del Valle district where everything is expensive? (Clean up, no cavities, but I had a second day job, a coverup job on to teeth that have eroded) 1000 pesos.

Monterrey is in the middle of a dessert, before the El Cuchillo dam and Cerro Prieto Dam, there was a severe shortage of water 80's and back... it is customary, but not inclusive, to have a water tank at home.

"Food products are cheaper BUT generally the standard of quality of the fresh market (produce and meats) is lower"

This is totally untrue... ever heard of e-coli outbreaks in Mexico like in the US???

Poultry.. totally agree.

Corn, I agree... but the rise in price is due to producers selling their stuff to make bio-diesel. AND THIS is going to hit hard food producing in the US, cause the US buys yellow corn from Mexico (yellow corn... we buy white corn from the US)... or is it the other way around???
Well, anyhow, this is going to hit both Mexico and the US hard in 2008




I am NOT complaining about the buses in Mexico. They are clean quality buses that run well. As whicn you know, there is nothing in the USA to compare to the Executive Class of Mexican Bus. My reference to the 15. 75 price (last Thursday) was in response to USB's quoted bus price of $18. The actual price is even less than what he quoted. A bargain to the $40+ toll for the Autopista to Monterrey. I hate ALL Toll roads. The toll has risen over time. Very profitable for the private owners.

Health Care is cheaper in Mexico but you do have to make a "wise choice" in finding a quality provider. Their standards are lower than the USA. And we all know that the Pharmacy is significantly less.

Utilities are cheaper but are not as reliable. I assume you have a Water tank on your home?

Food products are cheaper BUT generally the standard of quality of the fresh market (produce and meats) is lower but you do have a much wider variety of produce. The US and the rest of the world gets the better product exported for obvious reasons. I dealt in Mexico for many years in this area. Is fresh poultry products still more expensive in Mexico? I think most of the Ag. Tarrifs are gone or will be gone by the end of the year BUT Mexico still has problem in Poultry production? I know that the Mexican cold cut/sausage industry drives a demand for US Poultry. What are the concerns for the increase in Corn Prices in the price of Tortillas and other corn related products in Mexico? I hear that Mexican Cokes are going to Corn Syrup from their Cane Syrup? I LOVE Mexican Cokes.

Gasoline at this time is cheaper by about a dime a gallon, but this can change. I have seen higher prices in Mexico. People on both sides of the River take advantage of price differences. Diesel is waaaaaaaaaaaay less in Mexico. A friend of mine goes to Camargo to fill up his Suburban. He lives in Rio Grande City.

My point was not an attack on Mexico. Mexico is a beautiful Country. A truly Capitalistic Country assuming you have $$$$. It looks like I will be involved in a business in Monterrey again. I don't particularly like the new corporate tax rates in Mexico (18%) for Maquillas which won't effect us since we will be a "regular" SA. On the other hand, I will have a "need" to go to Monterrey on a regular basis:

BTW, my reference to the Peso was that it was tied to the Dollar but the Peso continues to erode faster. The Dollar sucks. Last year, I converted over to the Euro at 1. 25 and now it is over 1. 40. A 12%+ return just on the rates.

Granted, the depth of quality of women in Reynosa is nothing compared to Monterrey but you can find a good one if you are willing to wait. In fact the entire City is nothing compared to Monterrey.

One thing about your City that I do not like is your traffic patterns? If you miss an exit, you have to travel "forever" to turn around! Very unforgiving. People complain about the traffic but most major cities suck.

[Whome69]

I know you are not attacking Mexico.

Whome says: "Health Care is cheaper in Mexico but you do have to make a "wise choice" in finding a quality provider. Their standards are lower than the USA. And we all know that the Pharmacy is significantly less. "

You know how much I pay for a check up? 500 pesos at an upscale clinic.

You know how much I paid at my dentist at the upscale Colonia del Valle district where everything is expensive? (Clean up, no cavities, but I had a second day job, a coverup job on to teeth that have eroded) 1000 pesos.

Monterrey is in the middle of a dessert, before the El Cuchillo dam and Cerro Prieto Dam, there was a severe shortage of water 80's and back. It is customary, but not inclusive, to have a water tank at home.

"Food products are cheaper BUT generally the standard of quality of the fresh market (produce and meats) is lower"

This is totally untrue. Ever heard of e-coli outbreaks in Mexico like in the US?

Poultry. Totally agree.

Corn, I agree. But the rise in price is due to producers selling their stuff to make bio-diesel. AND THIS is going to hit hard food producing in the US, cause the US buys yellow corn from Mexico (yellow corn. We buy white corn from the US). Or is it the other way around?

Well, anyhow, this is going to hit both Mexico and the US hard in 2008Health care.

1. I have a $35 Co-pay and the Doc is my client.

2. Dentist. The same. But If I remember right, Cleaning is about $75.

3. The Best Cosmetic Surgeon in the Rio Grande Valley Area practices in Reynosa but lives in Sharyland. (Raul Lopez) His prices are about the same as US Doctors BUT he is "the man" if you want to stay in the area.

Water tanks?

You know better than this. They are not just in Monterrey. Lets be honest. Mexico has chronic problems with water pressure (and quality) all over the Republic. In fact, all of Mexico's basic Utility systems (water, sewer and electric) has problems.

Markets?

As to the fresh product. I was in the business for many years stepping away from daily operations in 1997 and fully retiring from it (active trading) in about 2000. The number of trucks and trains I moved into Mexico City (Central de Abastos) over the years is staggering. I kept my fingers in it. A little bit when I had my processed Poblano and Avocado (and some OJ for the Mexico) business for the Commerical Market (US) in Reynosa and that ended in 2003.

I KNOW my statement to be true. Mexican standards are not the same as ours. I am talking about grading. #1s are not the mainstay in Mexico. Can you find it? Of course, but you will pay for it.

As to E-coli, ect, this is NOT a function of food standards but health standards. Besides the typical Mexican's GI tract is much better than the average American.

For as long I can remember, Mexico has imported yellow corn which is used for animal consumption. Mexico doesn't grow much yellow corn. Mexico also imports signigicant amount of cracked corn. Mexico has been importing larger amounts of White Corn for human consumption but since significant amount of tarrif increases, white corn imports have dropped dramatically. It is used for the Tortillas. Gruma and Groupo Minsa were and still control the process market. I think they control about 90% of the Mexican Market. Gruma is huge and has operations all over the World including the USA. In fact, I think Gruma now generates most of their Revenue from the USA. Also we use to do alot of businesss with Azteca and Maseca.

We boomed when Mexico still had import quotas in place. Just a little secret for obvious reasons. After NAFTA in 94, these quotas were reduced and then eliminated in 1997.

After the Quotas were eliminated, Mexico had a great deal because US Producers would dump their excess production to them at discounts sometimes up to 30% PLUS they got low interest Loans from the US CCC. I understand there are tarrifs BUT as usual, you know, "tarrifs can be worked out! " (wink, wink). There has been a High Tarrif on White corn imports but I bet there are some American companies getting thru and making LOTS of money since the Mexican market price is much higher than US prices.

I have never exported White Corn from Mexico. I don't think there is much of an export market. Whatever corn is grown in Mexico is consumed in Mexico. I think the typical Mexican diet is about 40-50% corn?

There has been some "tense" situations as a result of Tortilla prices some time ago? Mexico is also losing their Corn Farmers partly because subsidies are dropping. Or maybe they have been eliminated by now? HOWEVER, I am not really sure since I have been out of the loop for years.

Another problem in Mexico which I heard about, is that Processors have used Yellow corn for the Tortillas. It was never meant to be used for Human Consumption. Yellow corn was used for obvious reasons. It is cheaper than White corn.

Corn prices are already being seen in US Prices. What is sooo sad? Is that the Processors are using the Yellow Corn prices for the excuse to raise prices in Mexico. Mexican corn is historically above US prices. Even now. I read Corn Production is significantly increasing all over the World but will Mexico lower their Corn prices?

Mexican producers are selling their White Corn for food production. It is not being sold for fuel. I know this.

Capitalism is alive and well in Mexico.

[MonterreyDude]

Anyway..
I prefer Mexico over a country that lives in total, absolute, integral, day after day, fear of terrorist attacks...

... Which will or might not come... but your actual goverment is having a field day using that to pull the strings of a once great country.

I love the following: "Mission acomplished" and "we are at war".

Up to today, the US has not been able to explain what "mission was acomplished" and who the US is at "war" with.

PS: Am so sorry everyone in the world is better fit to resist e-colli over you guys States side... but does that excuse the poor level of sanitary conditions that are starting to prevail in the US???
Back in 92 in the US, when the Jack in the Box e-colli scare went up, no stone was left unturned to finish and stop any possible outbreak like the one that happened.
Now it's standard headline in the news, not even top headline news (might be a little box down in the corner front page)...
... or am I wrong???





Health care.

1. I have a $35 Co-pay and the Doc is my client.

2. Dentist. The same. But If I remember right, Cleaning is about $75.

3. The Best Cosmetic Surgeon in the Rio Grande Valley Area practices in Reynosa but lives in Sharyland. (Raul Lopez) His prices are about the same as US Doctors BUT he is "the man" if you want to stay in the area.

Water tanks?

You know better than this. They are not just in Monterrey. Lets be honest. Mexico has chronic problems with water pressure (and quality) all over the Republic. In fact, all of Mexico's basic Utility systems (water, sewer and electric) has problems.

Markets?

As to the fresh product. I was in the business for many years stepping away from daily operations in 1997 and fully retiring from it (active trading) in about 2000. The number of trucks and trains I moved into Mexico City (Central de Abastos) over the years is staggering. I kept my fingers in it. A little bit when I had my processed Poblano and Avocado (and some OJ for the Mexico) business for the Commerical Market (US) in Reynosa and that ended in 2003.

I KNOW my statement to be true. Mexican standards are not the same as ours. I am talking about grading. #1s are not the mainstay in Mexico. Can you find it? Of course, but you will pay for it.

As to E-coli, ect, this is NOT a function of food standards but health standards. Besides the typical Mexican's GI tract is much better than the average American.

For as long I can remember, Mexico has imported yellow corn which is used for animal consumption. Mexico doesn't grow much yellow corn. Mexico also imports signigicant amount of cracked corn. Mexico has been importing larger amounts of White Corn for human consumption but since significant amount of tarrif increases, white corn imports have dropped dramatically. It is used for the Tortillas. Gruma and Groupo Minsa were and still control the process market. I think they control about 90% of the Mexican Market. Gruma is huge and has operations all over the World including the USA. In fact, I think Gruma now generates most of their Revenue from the USA. Also we use to do alot of businesss with Azteca and Maseca.

We boomed when Mexico still had import quotas in place. Just a little secret for obvious reasons. After NAFTA in 94, these quotas were reduced and then eliminated in 1997.

After the Quotas were eliminated, Mexico had a great deal because US Producers would dump their excess production to them at discounts sometimes up to 30% PLUS they got low interest Loans from the US CCC. I understand there are tarrifs BUT as usual, you know, "tarrifs can be worked out! " (wink, wink). There has been a High Tarrif on White corn imports but I bet there are some American companies getting thru and making LOTS of money since the Mexican market price is much higher than US prices.

I have never exported White Corn from Mexico. I don't think there is much of an export market. Whatever corn is grown in Mexico is consumed in Mexico. I think the typical Mexican diet is about 40-50% corn?

There has been some "tense" situations as a result of Tortilla prices some time ago? Mexico is also losing their Corn Farmers partly because subsidies are dropping. Or maybe they have been eliminated by now? HOWEVER, I am not really sure since I have been out of the loop for years.

Another problem in Mexico which I heard about, is that Processors have used Yellow corn for the Tortillas. It was never meant to be used for Human Consumption. Yellow corn was used for obvious reasons. It is cheaper than White corn.

Corn prices are already being seen in US Prices. What is sooo sad? Is that the Processors are using the Yellow Corn prices for the excuse to raise prices in Mexico. Mexican corn is historically above US prices. Even now. I read Corn Production is significantly increasing all over the World but will Mexico lower their Corn prices?

Mexican producers are selling their White Corn for food production. It is not being sold for fuel. I know this.

Capitalism is alive and well in Mexico.

[Whome69]

Anyway.

I prefer Mexico over a country that lives in total, absolute, integral, day after day, fear of terrorist attacks

Which will or might not come, but your actual goverment is having a field day using that to pull the strings of a once great country.

I love the following: "Mission acomplished" and "we are at war".

Up to today, the US has not been able to explain what "mission was acomplished" and who the US is at "war" with.

PS: Am so sorry everyone in the world is better fit to resist e-colli over you guys States side... but does that excuse the poor level of sanitary conditions that are starting to prevail in the US?

Back in 92 in the US, when the Jack in the Box e-colli scare went up, no stone was left unturned to finish and stop any possible outbreak like the one that happened.
Now it's standard headline in the news, not even top headline news (might be a little box down in the corner front page), or am I wrong?Carlos, you know better. I will remember you to say this again when we are sitting together. My laughter will interrupt you.

We ALL know what the Government says and what the people "think" are two different things. I am sure you are VERY aware of the BS "Wall" that Bush wants to build along our Border. In fact, I have NEVER liked Dumbya. Even when he was Governor of Texas. He is just a patsy. A nice guy, just still a lightweight in the mental department. Sadly, he is controlled by the ultra-conservatives Bible Thumpers and Big Business.

Yes, I will agree that Fox is a better leader than Bush but Fox has his problems too. And the Presidents before Zedillo? Some were really smart and did wonders in building the Country, but sadly, when they left office, they took the "improvements" with them. And the worst one was Salinas. How much is this guy worth? I hated the six year "depression" that hit my area after the change in Presidents.

As to E-Coli, ect? This IS the reality. There have been outbreaks in the past BUT they didn't make the news. It is the nature of the business when you are processing hamberger meat in a large factory setting. What we are seeing is not necessarily a decrease in our standards BUT the increased media coverage which is instant. Our Media is more content in covering Paris Hilton than real news.

However, it is true that our present Administration has let our guard down in the food inspection area. Especially for imports. They have the Business mentality. This "problem" has helped Mexico because many Americans do not trust Chinese made goods now. They do trust Mexico!

I can say with first hand knowledge up thru the late 1990's, the grades of fresh product was higher in the US than in Mexico. I see no reason for any change in this difference over the past number of years.

Now to the health standards, Mexico is different in how fresh meat is distributed in many ways. Do we need to go down this?

I processed Poblano Peppers and Avocados in Reynosa. The Poblanos were no problem since it is hearty and cooked again before processing BUT the Avocados? Much more delicate and we were always on the watch for Listeria. Salmonella, ect. The Plants were operated at US Standards and we were inspected by the USDA. After 911, there were more "security" rules that put into place but they were no big deal. Just more crap from a Government who wants to rule by fear.

I would have no problem living in Mexico, or for that matter, anywhere in the World. Why? The reality is that money rules. If you have money, you can live nicely even in the worst places in the World.

You must admit that for most of the people of the World, it really doesn't really matter who is in power! As long as there is relatively safety free from actual genocide and people can make a good living, then the people don't care! Look at Iraq? How many people were "happy" living in Saddam's Iraq vs the "USA" Iraq? Even in the US, how many people live any different now than before 911? Few! What can I say, there will always be pussies in the World who will blindly follow their Leaders (elected or otherwise).

The same thing is in Mexico about day to day affairs BUT there is a difference. The blow off valve for your Country is the USA. We get some of your best people and some of your your worst (legally and illegally). Mexico would be in much worse shape if wasn't for the US. How much money is sent to Mexico from workers (legal and illegal) in the USA? The Mexican economy can't asorb all of the new workers entering the work force. Mexico NEED's to slow their growth rate in order to really prosper. (HINT: China) Imagine if the USA was able to force all of the Illegals in the USA to return to Mexico? What would happen to Mexico?

FYI, I have a Mexican stomach! I almost never get sick to my stomach but I was born and raised on the Border. Maybe this explains it!

[Albatros]

Thank you for your answer, Carlos.

Well, my question was asked because I read sometime ago in some website that she is not very well right now. As she was really nice with me I wanted to locate her but I just realize it is a nonsense.

Your advice for options are welcome.

Regards.


Hello Albatross...
The working treshold for a girl working at a 5 star club is no more the2-3 years.
Althought I don't go to the Obsession at night, I know as a fact that the manifest has changed 2-3 times over in the last 2 years.

Working at another club... impossible to determine.

There are are too many SC to follow (over 20 SCs). The girls also change their names or mainly, moved from the city or maybe retire.

I can asure you one thing Albatross, there are many more options from where to make a new pick.
I guarantee that to the full extent and I also guarantee that you'll have fun.
The Obsession for the moment boasts 30-40 girls at night.

I must point out that I believe you'll find changes at the club asides from the girls... it is more expensive now than before.

If you have any questions on Monterrey and how things are going on right now... I'll be glad to answer them... put you up to date.

[El Cabron 007]

Although you are both correct. I would give Whome a point. You may move up one step.

Whome argues with 'behind closed doors' facts. What you and I see or hear about what our leaders are doing is a theatrical front for you to enjoy. If you put anything into it beyond the headlines, then you are brain-washed.

Gotta love the C-SPAN senate debates. The ultimate soup opera. Oh so funny how our congressmen are fighting on our behalf. They can kiss my ass. We all know, like Whome said, it is those with money that have the congressmen fighting for them. Don't dwell on this any further. It is those with money. And if anyone believes otherwise, then they fall under the "ignorance is a bless". Those 98% of us who work for the 2%.

Wasted


Carlos, you know better. I will remember you to say this again when we are sitting together. My laughter will interrupt you.

We ALL know what the Government says and what the people "think" are two different things. I am sure you are VERY aware of the BS "Wall" that Bush wants to build along our Border. In fact, I have NEVER liked Dumbya. Even when he was Governor of Texas. He is just a patsy. A nice guy, just still a lightweight in the mental department. Sadly, he is controlled by the ultra-conservatives Bible Thumpers and Big Business.

Yes, I will agree that Fox is a better leader than Bush but Fox has his problems too. And the Presidents before Zedillo? Some were really smart and did wonders in building the Country, but sadly, when they left office, they took the "improvements" with them. And the worst one was Salinas. How much is this guy worth? I hated the six year "depression" that hit my area after the change in Presidents.

As to E-Coli, ect? This IS the reality. There have been outbreaks in the past BUT they didn't make the news. It is the nature of the business when you are processing hamberger meat in a large factory setting. What we are seeing is not necessarily a decrease in our standards BUT the increased media coverage which is instant. Our Media is more content in covering Paris Hilton than real news.

However, it is true that our present Administration has let our guard down in the food inspection area. Especially for imports. They have the Business mentality. This "problem" has helped Mexico because many Americans do not trust Chinese made goods now. They do trust Mexico!

I can say with first hand knowledge up thru the late 1990's, the grades of fresh product was higher in the US than in Mexico. I see no reason for any change in this difference over the past number of years.

Now to the health standards, Mexico is different in how fresh meat is distributed in many ways. Do we need to go down this?

I processed Poblano Peppers and Avocados in Reynosa. The Poblanos were no problem since it is hearty and cooked again before processing BUT the Avocados? Much more delicate and we were always on the watch for Listeria. Salmonella, ect. The Plants were operated at US Standards and we were inspected by the USDA. After 911, there were more "security" rules that put into place but they were no big deal. Just more crap from a Government who wants to rule by fear.

I would have no problem living in Mexico, or for that matter, anywhere in the World. Why? The reality is that money rules. If you have money, you can live nicely even in the worst places in the World.

You must admit that for most of the people of the World, it really doesn't really matter who is in power! As long as there is relatively safety free from actual genocide and people can make a good living, then the people don't care! Look at Iraq? How many people were "happy" living in Saddam's Iraq vs the "USA" Iraq? Even in the US, how many people live any different now than before 911? Few! What can I say, there will always be pussies in the World who will blindly follow their Leaders (elected or otherwise).

The same thing is in Mexico about day to day affairs BUT there is a difference. The blow off valve for your Country is the USA. We get some of your best people and some of your your worst (legally and illegally). Mexico would be in much worse shape if wasn't for the US. How much money is sent to Mexico from workers (legal and illegal) in the USA? The Mexican economy can't asorb all of the new workers entering the work force. Mexico NEED's to slow their growth rate in order to really prosper. (HINT: China) Imagine if the USA was able to force all of the Illegals in the USA to return to Mexico? What would happen to Mexico?

FYI, I have a Mexican stomach! I almost never get sick to my stomach but I was born and raised on the Border. Maybe this explains it!

[The Studd]

Hello all, I'm glad to be posting here for the first time. I would like to write about my latest visit to the best mongering local in Mexico- Monterrey.

I spent 4 days in Monterrey and stayed at the Hotel Moreno on Reforma street in downtown (200 pesos per night and chica friendly. I recommend because it was cheap and very clean.) and here is what I did:

On the first night I went to the Ambassador club on Madero street# 419. There were 20 women there and most were 8-10's. I chose one dark-haired lady named Gisela and had FS for a total of 500 pesos with privados included. Gisela is a tall morena with fake boobs and a snake tattoo on her left wrist. She was just ok.

Then, I went to Club Varron around the corner from the Ambassador on Zaragoza street. Nothing special so I went back to the hotel. I stopped to eat at Pakos Takos on Madero and had 4 delicious steak tacos.

Next night I went to strip club called La Dama on Colon street. In this club there are many Philipine ladies working there and I took one out for a salida at a total of 1500 pesos for 2 hours. Her name was Cruz and she did very good service. I recommend her. Club manager says that there are girls of other nationalities there also. I will return on next trip.

On third night I went to a small club called Sexy Girls on Santiago Tapia street, a little far way from downtown, but the club was good. There were only about 7 girl there but they were cute. I took a blonde named Marisa back to my hotel for a price of 1350 for 1.5 hours. She was very nice and let me do bareback on her but she was out the door as soon as her time was up- no GFE here!

On my last night I decided to visit a few of the MPs. I visited Mamacita's on Madero (#124), Masaje Brenda on Reforma (#319) and Hot on Juarez (#444). The best in selection was Mamacita's because they had 8 girls on site and 4 were muy caliente. All 3's prices were about the same 150 pesos for 30 mins or 300 for 1 hour of FS or similar.

Overall, Although I'm new here on the International Sex Guide I have had several visits to Monterrey and other parts of Mexico. I have enough experience to know that Monterrey is the best mongering destination in all of Mexico. My most recent trip confirmed this.

Thanks to all my new friends here. I hope my information is of use.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Precocious One]

USB-

I read your post and the reason I believe Regular Members post here, at least that was the reason in my case, is because our posts are monitored by Jackson which can take up to a full day for them to register. In that time frame, five or six posts (or more) can occur and the Regular Member's post will be sent to the back more than likely never to be read. As for ulterior motives and why Senior Members are not allowed to post here, that is unknown to me and I share your same sentiment reagading that topic. I used to post here simply to share my unbiased experiences with other mongers and really didn't care if they are Senior Members or Regular Members, or if they are residents of Monterrey or simply visiting mongers. I am sure that is the case with the other members that elected to post on this thread. But, that all changed when a Senior Member elected to treat my posts and knowledge of mongering with inferiority and disdain. Simply put, I am too far ahead to argue with someone so far behind.

Anyway, I will give you a post even though I am really no longer interested in artculating my Monterrey experiences here or anywhere else. And yes, as the title implies, it includes your beloved "G" girl.

So, my Monterrey GF has broken up with me for the fourth time in approximately that many months. It is Wednesday night and I am going to try and find my favorita at the Tangalay to pay for some much needed attention and counseling. Sh_t, she is not there. And to make things worse, this is absolute the most pathetic selection I have ever seen here in quite some time. I sucked down three beers in anticipation for the night shift, a shift that never came or was so subtle in appearance that I never noticed. So, out the door and into the loud confines of the Infinito. Now, I am not a big fan of the Infinito as it tends to be a bit impersonal for a gringo unless you are the honorable and well-renowned Wasted or USB, but tonight ended up different. The Infinito was rocking. I believe I saw Wasted's "X" girl on stage but was not sure. Regardless, the hottest girl in the club. Now, I spotted a girl whom in turn spotted me, smiled, and I instantly knew who she was. The infamous "G" girl. So, I bring here off stage and she instantly mentions your name and not the monicker. She told me who I was and that you had physically described me after our Pasaralas encounter. I take her up to the privados and, as a gentleman to you, never touched or groped her. We simply talked. After the privados, we went down to the club and continued talking and drinking for about an hour. A lot about you and a lot about her. She is still contemplating the TJ thing but is unfortunately still in "make money" mode. We the conversation turned to sex, I simply said I could not as I wanted to respect USB and that I possibly still had a GF. What I did notice, and I am not a psychiatrist nor have I had any formal training, but I get the feeling that it is indeed entirely over but that the smile on her face when discussing your relationship with her was one that she is going to treasure for the rest of her life. I know that sounds kind of cheesy and something that should be on the inside of a Hallmark card, but that is what I got out of our one hour encounter. Anyway, a lovely girl but those fake tits...what was she thinking?

After my "G" girl encounter, I headed over to Banderas and spent some time with a nineteen-year-old cutie. 60 pesos copa damas and a table dance in a completely private 12x15 room at 3 for 100 pesos. Never made it to the third floor where they offer full service, but I believe anything can happen on the second floor as you have your own private room. On this particular night, six chicas were working of which two were doable including the one I did a privada with.

Anyway, there is your post USB. I would have posted sooner to tell you about my encounter with your lovely "G" girl, but just as you have retired from Monterrey mongering, I also have retired from Monterrey posting.

[Precocious One]

"What could you have possibly talked about for an hour?"

Forgot to tell you this. She did mention a "novia" and not of the plutonic nature. If true, do not feel bad. My ex back in the states has a brother who's first wife went gay and remaines so to this very day. He was a solid dude then, and continues to be a solid dude today. As for the hour, the girl at the Tangalay pretty much always gave me that much time. That is why she, as well as that establishment, became my favorites.

Good luck with the mongering retirement. I'll still be reading your posts, just no longer responding to them or anyone else's for that matter.

[Rapito]

Hi everybody. I've been reading this forum for a while and I wanted to get from you some advice. Some do's and don't's for a newbie. First of all, let me tell you that I have never been in a SP or MP. So, I'm a total rookie, a newbie, a novice. I know, some of you will think that I should read the rookie section in the forum. I read it, all of it. However, they talk about places and situations that may not have anything to do with Monterrey. I am also aware of the split opinions what's best between a MP and a SP. I personally prefer try first a MP because it seems to be more discrete and quiet.

I have two main concerns: not to look too naive and be ripped off, and most important, to be able to get out the MP in one piece, without brown eyes, broken arms, a knife in my belly or a bullet in my head.

So, let me start with the issue of looking too naive. Honestly, I don't what to expect after knocking the MP's door. How should I act once I get in? Nice and easy going? Reserved? Cocky or how? Should I take initiative and ask for the girls or just let the guy at the door take the lead? I read that in some places they offer a drink while you choose your girl. At the time of picking my girl, is there a polite way to do it? Or I simply say 'I want her'. What if the girls notices that I am a newbie? Once I'm with the girl in the room, what is the protocol? I guess I need to take a shower and go naked, after that fun will begin. The girl will begin the normal massage (will she be dressed or naked? ) and after a while the fun part will come. Will she suggest the handjob or blowjob or will she do it anyway? Or it's me who needs to ask. When can I start touching the girl. Can I touch her while getting the massage? I'd like to take a more active role, like rubbing her sking, fondle her tits and ass and even finger her. If I want just to stop there, will I be safe? How do I ask for full service?

About security, what if I do something unpolite or that the girl doesn't like. Will she kindly let me know or will start shouting like crazy until a gorilla shows up to break my arms. Also, what if I don't like any of the girls and want to leave. Furthermore, what if while being with the girl I chiken out and want to get out of there?

Guys, I apologize for all these silly questions, but I prefer to know what to expect and play safe. Also, I'm sure that there are many guys wanting answers for these same questiosn.

Regarding the places, I like good looking girls, so I will skip all those under 500 pesos places. I am thinking about Marcella and Misses. Marcella girls look really hot but I don't see anybody talking about them here in the forum. About Misses, I heard that girls there are angels: young, beautiful faces, curvy and tight bodies, but expensive. I wouldn't mind paying 2000 pesos for fucking a young girl that looks like my come-from-a-rich-family coworkers.

Also, sorry about my bad English. Your answers will be greatly appreciated.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MonterreyDude]

Rapito

I guess you have the links to Misses and Marecellas...
Add this one to your list:

http://www.romanosescort.com.mx/main.htm
(Misses little brother...)

and...

http://www.esteticaversace.com/

And speakiing frankly, no monger that visits Monterrey for MP action will go to the expensive ones... they are looking for a quick 20 dollar pop and nothing else.

And please Rapito: "I wouldn't mind paying 2000 pesos for fucking a young girl that looks like my come-from-a-rich-family coworkers"...

... you'll never find rich look alikes, upscale Colonia del Valle girls, at the MPs... let's stick with reality.

#1. Be yourself.
#2. When entering a MP, you'll be shown the girls.
#3. Someone will quote the prices. At upscale MP's the price quoted is the final price.
#4. Am not kidding, just pick a girl and she will take you to the room.
#5. At the upscale MPs, don't worry about being robbed (as a matter of fact, you won't be had at any MP)
#6. I don't do MPs, so I guess it's only Misses that offers drinks.
#7. Just point the girl you want (sorry, but it will have to be on the spot, no time for Q&A)
#8. You pay her.
#9. Once you pay her and if you chicken out, depending on the MP, you'll get your money back, but that takes making a small scene.... not always.
#10. Let me point out one thing.. if something goes wrong, something the girl doesn't like, something that goes beyond a small discussion... they might call the police.
#11. You MAY get ripped off.. but only if you pick a con artist that charges and doesn't deliver.
#12. Just take it easy and go... make your MP pick and go. Am sure you will have fun.

Ask your question Rapito...be glad to help you out...





Hi everybody. I've been reading this forum for a while and I wanted to get from you some advice. Some do's and don't's for a newbie. First of all, let me tell you that I have never been in a SP or MP. So, I'm a total rookie, a newbie, a novice. I know, some of you will think that I should read the rookie section in the forum. I read it, all of it. However, they talk about places and situations that may not have anything to do with Monterrey. I am also aware of the split opinions what's best between a MP and a SP. I personally prefer try first a MP because it seems to be more discrete and quiet.

I have two main concerns: not to look too naive and be ripped off, and most important, to be able to get out the MP in one piece, without brown eyes, broken arms, a knife in my belly or a bullet in my head.

So, let me start with the issue of looking too naive. Honestly, I don't what to expect after knocking the MP's door. How should I act once I get in? Nice and easy going? Reserved? Cocky or how? Should I take initiative and ask for the girls or just let the guy at the door take the lead? I read that in some places they offer a drink while you choose your girl. At the time of picking my girl, is there a polite way to do it? Or I simply say 'I want her'. What if the girls notices that I am a newbie? Once I'm with the girl in the room, what is the protocol? I guess I need to take a shower and go naked, after that fun will begin. The girl will begin the normal massage (will she be dressed or naked? ) and after a while the fun part will come. Will she suggest the handjob or blowjob or will she do it anyway? Or it's me who needs to ask. When can I start touching the girl. Can I touch her while getting the massage? I'd like to take a more active role, like rubbing her sking, fondle her tits and ass and even finger her. If I want just to stop there, will I be safe? How do I ask for full service?

About security, what if I do something unpolite or that the girl doesn't like. Will she kindly let me know or will start shouting like crazy until a gorilla shows up to break my arms. Also, what if I don't like any of the girls and want to leave. Furthermore, what if while being with the girl I chiken out and want to get out of there?

Guys, I apologize for all these silly questions, but I prefer to know what to expect and play safe. Also, I'm sure that there are many guys wanting answers for these same questiosn.

Regarding the places, I like good looking girls, so I will skip all those under 500 pesos places. I am thinking about Marcella and Misses. Marcella girls look really hot but I don't see anybody talking about them here in the forum. About Misses, I heard that girls there are angels: young, beautiful faces, curvy and tight bodies, but expensive. I wouldn't mind paying 2000 pesos for fucking a young girl that looks like my come-from-a-rich-family coworkers.

Also, sorry about my bad English. Your answers will be greatly appreciated.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Member #3453]

Some of these recommendations will seem that they are for a real newbie...but you said you were a real newbie, so here goes. I know you said you would frequent MPs, and you will find much less of a potential for abuse there than in the strip clubs.

With the MPs, the main thing is to establish up front what you expect in return for their service, and to verify the price in advance of ever going to the room. If they try to scam you with add-ons, be firm, but realize that you should not be overly assertive or indignant. Always be very relaxed, and amiable, otherwise, you might find the cops at the door, or even worse, they might throw you out on your ear.

When you walk into an MP, the girls that are available will most likely be seated on couches, or they will be called into the room to do a line up. All will stand for your review, you will scan them over for about 60 seconds at most, and if you want a little longer to consider your options, then you can ask, as they are standing there, the price structure and time requirements. If you have special requests, ask it then to establish what it is you will be receiving, and to verify the price.

Some of the MPs may offer you the opportunity to have a drink so you can interview the girl and gawk at other prospects, but I am not sure which ones, and to what extent the lower to medium level MPs do so. I know that places like Misses and Romanos have that kind of selection environment, but I don't recall the price structure.

Remember that you will also be including a tip with an MP experience. I don't frequent the MPs, but I believe a 100 peso tip is customary in most of the lower to medium level MPs. In the case of high end MP's I suspect the anticipated tip will be slightly more, maybe 200 pesos. Carlos or Prok or somebody can verify that for you.

Here are some strip club pointers too...

1. In order not to stand out as a newbie, you need to dress appropriately so as not to stand out. So, when you visit the clubs, always wear some decent long pants, probably a collared shirt, a decent pair of shoes.

2. Never allow the waiters to run a tab in the clubs. Always pay for your drinks as you receive them, and attempt to give them as close to exact change, with tip, as possible. And, be very careful when you give currency to a waiter, some will accept a 200 peso bill for example, do a switch, and show you a twenty peso bill, intending for you to believe that you gave them a 20 pesos bill. Always, when you give them a bill, repeat to them what you are giving them. For example, repeat to them that you are giving them 200 pesos.

3. Pay in Pesos if possible, it is cheaper than giving them the relative equivalent in dollars. You will never receive change back according to the exchange rate, you will always receive pesos.

4. Wear a false pocket or money belt to contain all of your credit cards and cash. Maintain a minimum amount of cash money either in your pants pocket, or in your shirt pocket.

5. Never access your money belt in public, or even within the club where other will see you do so. Go into the men's room stall, or some other clandestined location, and get more cash out of your money belt if you need it.

6. Always, when you enter a taxi, make sure they have the meter on. Do not use taxis that run without the meter. You should always be able to go between the clubs for less than about 30 pesos one way, usually more like 20 pesos most of the time.

7. If you buy a drink for a girl, and she drinks it in less than ten minutes, dump her and move on to another. You likely selected a shark. You can also say something too her if you see her guzzling too fast. Some will back off if they think you will dump them as a result.

8. You will be asked to buy jarras (pitchers) by the girls within certain clubs. They usually run about 350 pesos ($35US), and they contain the equivalent of about three drinks. They are a relatively decent bargain if you're planning to buy several drinks for one Chica because a jarra is slighly cheaper than three drinks. But, you have to watch their consumption. The girls will possibly abuse you if they believe you are a newbie. Hold them to the equivalent of one drink every 15-20 minutes at least. You have a keeper if she sits for you for longer than 20 minutes and sips the remainder of her drink very slowly.

9. If you do not know Spanish, they will identify you immediately as a potential mark to be fleeced either with incorrect change, drinking too fast, short changing of time in the privados, etc...

10. With respect to being assertive, as mentioned before with the MPs, you can be firm in your convictions, but conduct yourself professionally with considerable decorum, and you should be fine if you have a dispute. If you do have a dispute, let it go, do not hang onto your pride. Once they pass judgement on the issue accept it. Just deal with it, chalk it off to experience, and I would suggest moving onto to other clubs where the likelihood of being taken advantage might be less.

Hope that gets you started...Let us know if you have any further questions. Have a good time.




Hi everybody. I've been reading this forum for a while and I wanted to get from you some advice. Some do's and don't's for a newbie. First of all, let me tell you that I have never been in a SP or MP. So, I'm a total rookie, a newbie, a novice. I know, some of you will think that I should read the rookie section in the forum. I read it, all of it. However, they talk about places and situations that may not have anything to do with Monterrey. I am also aware of the split opinions what's best between a MP and a SP. I personally prefer try first a MP because it seems to be more discrete and quiet.

I have two main concerns: not to look too naive and be ripped off, and most important, to be able to get out the MP in one piece, without brown eyes, broken arms, a knife in my belly or a bullet in my head.

So, let me start with the issue of looking too naive. Honestly, I don't what to expect after knocking the MP's door. How should I act once I get in? Nice and easy going? Reserved? Cocky or how? Should I take initiative and ask for the girls or just let the guy at the door take the lead? I read that in some places they offer a drink while you choose your girl. At the time of picking my girl, is there a polite way to do it? Or I simply say 'I want her'. What if the girls notices that I am a newbie? Once I'm with the girl in the room, what is the protocol? I guess I need to take a shower and go naked, after that fun will begin. The girl will begin the normal massage (will she be dressed or naked? ) and after a while the fun part will come. Will she suggest the handjob or blowjob or will she do it anyway? Or it's me who needs to ask. When can I start touching the girl. Can I touch her while getting the massage? I'd like to take a more active role, like rubbing her sking, fondle her tits and ass and even finger her. If I want just to stop there, will I be safe? How do I ask for full service?

About security, what if I do something unpolite or that the girl doesn't like. Will she kindly let me know or will start shouting like crazy until a gorilla shows up to break my arms. Also, what if I don't like any of the girls and want to leave. Furthermore, what if while being with the girl I chiken out and want to get out of there?

Guys, I apologize for all these silly questions, but I prefer to know what to expect and play safe. Also, I'm sure that there are many guys wanting answers for these same questiosn.

Regarding the places, I like good looking girls, so I will skip all those under 500 pesos places. I am thinking about Marcella and Misses. Marcella girls look really hot but I don't see anybody talking about them here in the forum. About Misses, I heard that girls there are angels: young, beautiful faces, curvy and tight bodies, but expensive. I wouldn't mind paying 2000 pesos for fucking a young girl that looks like my come-from-a-rich-family coworkers.

Also, sorry about my bad English. Your answers will be greatly appreciated.

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[MonterreyDude]

I don't want to contradict my friend USB, but the Rapito is pointing out he wants to go to the expensive MPs like Misses, where the girls charge 2000 pesos.
Action there is different from the low priced MPs.
The 2000 peso price includes everything, specially a good attitude from the girl.
At Versace and Marsella, probably the word tip is not the correct one. The girls will ask for extra money to do extras up front and that should be like 200-400 pesos more, but the girls will quote how much they want before starting.

About SCs.... Several of USB observations do not considere some factors:
There are clubs, the 5 star clubs, where a tab is impossed and you can not avoid it.
The girls will drink their drinks at their own pace. There is no changing that. Again, if you go to the 5 star clubs, the girl must down their single drinks within the span of 2 songs.
If you go to the moderate priced clubs the girls there are more managable, but you are the final judge of the girl. If she is friendly and you like her, stick with her, pay her a couple of drinks and then take her for a couple of dances. If you still want her, stay with her.
This is a very difficult point cause it depends mostly on you. There are girls that will drink the first drink so fast you will think they never brought her one and after that, go slow on you.
There are to many variables on this....





Some of these recommendations will seem that they are for a real newbie...but you said you were a real newbie, so here goes. I know you said you would frequent MPs, and you will find much less of a potential for abuse there than in the strip clubs.

With the MPs, the main thing is to establish up front what you expect in return for their service, and to verify the price in advance of ever going to the room. If they try to scam you with add-ons, be firm, but realize that you should not be overly assertive or indignant. Always be very relaxed, and amiable, otherwise, you might find the cops at the door, or even worse, they might throw you out on your ear.

When you walk into an MP, the girls that are available will most likely be seated on couches, or they will be called into the room to do a line up. All will stand for your review, you will scan them over for about 60 seconds at most, and if you want a little longer to consider your options, then you can ask, as they are standing there, the price structure and time requirements. If you have special requests, ask it then to establish what it is you will be receiving, and to verify the price.

Some of the MPs may offer you the opportunity to have a drink so you can interview the girl and gawk at other prospects, but I am not sure which ones, and to what extent the lower to medium level MPs do so. I know that places like Misses and Romanos have that kind of selection environment, but I don't recall the price structure.

Remember that you will also be including a tip with an MP experience. I don't frequent the MPs, but I believe a 100 peso tip is customary in most of the lower to medium level MPs. In the case of high end MP's I suspect the anticipated tip will be slightly more, maybe 200 pesos. Carlos or Prok or somebody can verify that for you.

Here are some strip club pointers too...

1. In order not to stand out as a newbie, you need to dress appropriately so as not to stand out. So, when you visit the clubs, always wear some decent long pants, probably a collared shirt, a decent pair of shoes.

2. Never allow the waiters to run a tab in the clubs. Always pay for your drinks as you receive them, and attempt to give them as close to exact change, with tip, as possible. And, be very careful when you give currency to a waiter, some will accept a 200 peso bill for example, do a switch, and show you a twenty peso bill, intending for you to believe that you gave them a 20 pesos bill. Always, when you give them a bill, repeat to them what you are giving them. For example, repeat to them that you are giving them 200 pesos.

3. Pay in Pesos if possible, it is cheaper than giving them the relative equivalent in dollars. You will never receive change back according to the exchange rate, you will always receive pesos.

4. Wear a false pocket or money belt to contain all of your credit cards and cash. Maintain a minimum amount of cash money either in your pants pocket, or in your shirt pocket.

5. Never access your money belt in public, or even within the club where other will see you do so. Go into the men's room stall, or some other clandestined location, and get more cash out of your money belt if you need it.

6. Always, when you enter a taxi, make sure they have the meter on. Do not use taxis that run without the meter. You should always be able to go between the clubs for less than about 30 pesos one way, usually more like 20 pesos most of the time.

7. If you buy a drink for a girl, and she drinks it in less than ten minutes, dump her and move on to another. You likely selected a shark. You can also say something too her if you see her guzzling too fast. Some will back off if they think you will dump them as a result.

8. You will be asked to buy jarras (pitchers) by the girls within certain clubs. They usually run about 350 pesos ($35US), and they contain the equivalent of about three drinks. They are a relatively decent bargain if you're planning to buy several drinks for one Chica because a jarra is slighly cheaper than three drinks. But, you have to watch their consumption. The girls will possibly abuse you if they believe you are a newbie. Hold them to the equivalent of one drink every 15-20 minutes at least. You have a keeper if she sits for you for longer than 20 minutes and sips the remainder of her drink very slowly.

9. If you do not know Spanish, they will identify you immediately as a potential mark to be fleeced either with incorrect change, drinking too fast, short changing of time in the privados, etc...

10. With respect to being assertive, as mentioned before with the MPs, you can be firm in your convictions, but conduct yourself professionally with considerable decorum, and you should be fine if you have a dispute. If you do have a dispute, let it go, do not hang onto your pride. Once they pass judgement on the issue accept it. Just deal with it, chalk it off to experience, and I would suggest moving onto to other clubs where the likelihood of being taken advantage might be less.

Hope that gets you started...Let us know if you have any further questions. Have a good time.

[El Cabron 007]

I second that thought on drinks. Different girls drink differently. I have girls that drink only a single drink during their entire 1 or 1.5 hours with me while others down the drink and ask for another while the waiter is still writing down the order. It all depends. Some I tell to slow down, others I tell'em to take a hike and a couple I could care less what they drink. It all depends.

But all of the girls I see at the Obsession and Prestige have learned to slow the hell down or they are out instantly. I ain’t paying 100 or 120 pesos a minute. It all depends.

Keep in mind also that most of the girls at the low end clubs do NOT want drinks. They want to do dances where the meter is running non-stop. Those girls will ask you if you want to dance after or during the first drink. If they sense unwillingness on your part, they will say "A horita Vengo" (?) - "I'll be right back" which actually translates to "See ya".

Some of my regular girls tell me that upfront "Let me go make some money". They worry I might be offended while in fact I welcome the chance to be alone sometimes so I can gauge out other potentials. If I want them, I’ll ask for them.

Other girls will refuse to sit with you completely. You either take them for a dance or they go the next customer. I find those to be the least desirable. I MUST set with the girl and not be rushed whatsoever to get to know her first. Some I intentionally have them set with me and I ignore them to see how much effort they will put into pleasing me.

It all depends.

Wasted



I don't want to contradict my friend USB, but the Rapito is pointing out he wants to go to the expensive MPs like Misses, where the girls charge 2000 pesos.
Action there is different from the low priced MPs.
The 2000 peso price includes everything, specially a good attitude from the girl.
At Versace and Marsella, probably the word tip is not the correct one. The girls will ask for extra money to do extras up front and that should be like 200-400 pesos more, but the girls will quote how much they want before starting.

About SCs.... Several of USB observations do not considere some factors:
There are clubs, the 5 star clubs, where a tab is impossed and you can not avoid it.
The girls will drink their drinks at their own pace. There is no changing that. Again, if you go to the 5 star clubs, the girl must down their single drinks within the span of 2 songs.
If you go to the moderate priced clubs the girls there are more managable, but you are the final judge of the girl. If she is friendly and you like her, stick with her, pay her a couple of drinks and then take her for a couple of dances. If you still want her, stay with her.
This is a very difficult point cause it depends mostly on you. There are girls that will drink the first drink so fast you will think they never brought her one and after that, go slow on you.
There are to many variables on this....

[Member #3453]

You're so welcome...and I'll make sure she knows you plastered her name all over the internet. Maybe she will believe that having her name plastered all over the internet will be good for business. There are conflicting opinions from the girls about that. Some like the referral value, and others become very angry at the prospect. I'll see what she thinks.

The truth is...she is outstanding compared to most girls. Your report simply verifies that my preference for her is more than just BS. She knows how to make love, and not just deliver sex. That is a rare commodity in Monterrey. I know, I have seen hundreds of girls there.

You must realize Mastermind, that I fully understand what she is, a ho. That's how I met her too. And, from those humble beginnings, I found a girl that I really prefer to all the others I've seen in Monterrey. It really doesn't matter though. If you think I am naive enough to really expect that she has not been doing salidas, or that she is not engaged in her business, you sorely underestimate my intelligence.

She always told me she was engaged in her business, especially within the club, I believe she was preparing to put a push on for salidas. She wants a change in her life, and she realizes that the money will get her where she wants to be. She told me that she especially needs to make the money now, and that our seeing each other with the exclusivity that she represented to me formerly was going to be something she could not adhere to now, and that it would not be a good thing for either of us to continue our "arrangement," assuming of course, that she was being discretionary to begin with.

She is a sweet girl, and she likes sex, and she also has a tender heart. If you knew more Spanish, you would understand the significance of that, and how enhanced your time with her would have been. However, I do think that her business is taking a toll on her, and that it incrementally has, over the last couple of years, and especially so since she got the fake boobs. That is the thing that is a shame, that her business, IMHO, has made her less of a good lover than she originally was when I found her in 2005. And, I don't really like her fake boobs...they turn me off frankly.

Perhaps now you can, after having actually seen and experienced her, understand the melancholy I feel for a girl of that quality spending her youth as a ho, when she could just as easily, under the right circumstances, be something entirely different. I just feel that her "talents" are a waste, and I have sampled almost all her competitors. It's a shame that she is not legitimately available to some "good" guy where she can actually be happy in life, something she desperately wants. Few girls have the ability to please that she does. Were she not a ho, she would be a great mistress. But, then, I know her well, the real girl, and not just as everybody's ho. So, I am honest about loving her for who she really is inside, and not just for that body, realizing of course that she has some tremendous personality defects that make her a ho. All that having been said, she is quite exceptional.

I believe though, that based on the content of my reports, I have gotten the very best from her, more than P4P, and I appreciate that from her. It is a gift from her to me, and not something I paid her for. I have commented many times before that what I have with her was, and is, not just sex, per se. We experience something on a different plane that what you described in your report. Yours is a description of she delivering, skillfully, and conscientously, what was promised in exchange for money. Her enjoyment of sex is inherent in her personality, and it is what makes her somewhat exceptional.

What I always thought was so extraordinary with respect to her treatment of me, and still believe it to be so, is that she gave herself to me beyond the sexual act. The sex with her was always outstanding, but there is more between us now. That is the reason you find me "gaga" over her. It has really little to do with the sex. I have had sex with her so much she is like a wife or girlfriend. There is simply something deeper between us that you will not probably comprehend because you are only operating within a mongering mindset. But, suffice it to say, you will never truly experience her "best" as I have.

She may have actually been honest with you with regard to the PDA. I don't stay there now, and haven't for about 2 years. But, she might have gone there with another monger. I don't remember her being familiar with it.

Thanks for the report, but it really doesn't accomplish for you what you had in mind. I am not naive. And, I know her affections for me are real because she has proven them over, and over again. So, because I am already committed in my real life, and because I always said that I would never legitimize a girl from her background, even if I could, which I can't, the realities of her job, fucking for money, really can't affect my real life.

One thing you will find my friend, is that you will not be able to forget her now. Mark my words, and if you find them to be true, that she is unforgetable, let me know in a PM. Actually, your post helps me reconcile my own indecision about whether to return, and to consider what kind of expectation I would have were I to return to MTY. You see, while her delivery of sex is excellent, the sex is not the underlying motivator for me, and there are other girls that are pretty good as far as the sex, some of my private stash, but none that gives me the range of emotion that she delivers. My dilemma is more one of returning to MTY only to disappointed by others after having come off a hi-bred GFE with my "G" girl, and not knowing to what extent my continuing to see her would prove to be as rewarding as before, given that she has a new and concentrated business strategy that seems to be driving her more seriously to earn as much money as she can as quickly as she can.

I don't really get your title...did you have a second session with a girl that was no good, ie: the "Starfish" reference? If so, please post those details as well. I know you said you have more to come...

Go find everybody elses girlfriends too. We should all have such a pleasant wakeup call. WastedG, Carlos...why spare them the gory details.

And, just a suggestion, my sincerely hoping you will at least consider it. Why not remove her real name from the title and body of your report? IMHO, you should really consider the disadvantages of having posted her name for your own best interests. By posting in synonyms you avoid making the girls angry with you when they find out what you did to them on the internet. Just a suggestion for when you come back. And, what purpose does it serve posting her name other than to get back at me. But, honestly, I am uneffected by it. I have had a number of stories relayed to me via PM about her activities. They come as no surprise.





Business brought me back to Monterrey so I figured to give it another shot here and try to have some more good times. This time I did a whole lot of research and dtective work in finding some real easy possibilities for take out from the strip clubs. I have to confess that I have given Unospongebob a lot of crap over the days but his posts provided me with the most help.

So, with international sex guide at hand and the reserach onmy laptop I went to Infinito to look for some good action. I wanted to find that "G" girl that hes always talking about just to see how good she really is. I went to the club and started asking around about a flaca morena with fake boobs who buses in from a town called Garcia. Low and behold the second waiter I asked in my limited Spanish brought her right to me. Turns out her real name is Gallileo. Cute girl with a nice body and ass.

I sat with Gallileo for about 45 minutes when she brought up the topic of a salida. 1000 for her and 350 for the house for 1.5 hours which I negotiated up to 2 hours for same price. We left back to my hotel and I laughed to myself after she said that she had never been before to the PDA. Oh, she must be a virgin! HAHA.

Once in my room I could see why unospongebob is so gaga over her. She is a vey tender lover and really likes sex. She started with a covered BJ and then into FS. Cowgirl and finish in doggie.

Then I broached the subject of anal sex and she just turned away giggling. She said that it would hurt and offerde another BJ instead, but I was smooth and negotiated with her. She gave in when I offered an extra 300 pesos for anal. So much for her being shy! HAHA. I had a good time doing greek on her eventhough it was a little tough getting it in at first. Gallileo was a trooper and stuck with it until I popped but I doubt she’ll be sitting down anytime soon! HAHA

Thanks to you guy on the international sex guide for directing me to her and thanks for making my first night back in Monterrey a memorable one. More to Follow.

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[Member #3453]

Yes Carlos Perez I was there at about that time but who looks at his watch right? HAHA

Unospongebob she did give good service but shes just one hooker among hundreds. She is already forgotten. I don't need my hand held like a little girl and I don't get so gaga over a piece of ass no matter how good it is.

No, she gave you "good" service...she gives me "unfricken believable GFE." Well, if she only gave you good service, that just confirms what I know to be true about what she gives me, which makes me reconsider my decision whether to return.

I know she gives good service, that is her reputation. But, her delivery to me exceeds her reputation signficantly, and her attentions are given without obligation on her part, there is huge difference then between what you received and what I routinely get.

There are a number of girls in my private stash that deliver good service. They do NOT compare with her approach to me. They are all capable of delivering good service, but some are motivated to do so by many other factors to give exceptional service, pulling from inside them to deliver beyond exceptional service because they want to, not because you are their John and they want to deliver the goods for reputation's sake.

If we get HI-Bred GFE, it is usually a function of "OUR" abilities, not their's...Draw your own conclusions about what your contributions to the "service" level might have been, but knowing her preferences, I doubt she remembers you either, except as a pain in her arse. :D

You will only experience your hos as hos, and never the depth of experience that I do, or the depth of experience that is potentially possibly from many of them, because you view them as hos, and I suspect with considerable contempt were I to psychoanalyze you just based on your demeanor here on ISG.

To me, she does not deliver just as a another ho out of a thousand. I don't know where you went wrong...well, actually, I do, but you wouldn't listen to my advice. I have known a thousand of them, all over the world, and she ain't among the majority of them with me. She probably occupies about the upper 3%. I guess it's the difference between me being in her bed and you being there. But, my expectation levels are higher than yours, and I suspect my results are also more rewarding.

I don't know where you went wrong, getting merely "good" service, delivered under some duress I might add, or at least needing to offer her further compensation to get her to agree, that from a girl who gives me everything I ever wanted and them some for peanuts. If I were in that same circumstance, I would not have to offer her anything, it would all come naturally...no money would have been discussed, and she would have been totally into it.

I don't know why you got "good service" and not outstanding Hi-Bred GFE. GFE is "given," and not "service delivered," there is a difference...GFE given willingly, longingly, lovingly...there is a huge difference. I don't expect you to understand...I doubt you've experienced it. But, as long as you're satisfied...I guess that's all we can expect from you.

Now, go find Cindy #1, Angry Girl, and whomever else you think you can use to make your feable attempts to aggravate me further. But, watch out for Cindy #1...she packs a blade.

[El Cabron 007]

Power to you Bob. I am more respectful of you now that I see grace from you. Way to go Bob. You da man.

And Mastermind dude. I can see you walking the sidewalks I frequent. You may as well have laid in on the same beds I so long had so many chicas, sometime 3 or 4. Many times with Mr. L in the next bad or Carlos with his hot Obsession girlfriend. Sweet memories and hot times. PDA rocks being so close to the clubs, a walking distance, and the hotel itself an authentic Mexican Otel. Be careful with the restaurant thu. They use way too much grease.

There is a girl at the Infinito who has returned after a long absence, her name is Stacy. You will not believe she is available at a place like Infinito. Go check her out. You can thank me later.

Be safe.

Wasted


Well, if she only gave you good service, that just confirms what I know to be true about what she gives me, which makes me reconsider my decision whether to return. I know she gives good service, that is her reputation. But, her delivery to me exceeds her reputation signficantly, and is given without obligation on her part, there is huge difference then between what you received and what I routinely get.

There are a number of girls in my private stash that deliver good service. They do NOT compare with her approach to me. They are all capable of delivering good service, but some are motivated on by so many other factors to give exceptional service, pulling from inside them to deliver beyond exceptional service because they want to, not because you are their John and they want to deliver the goods for reputation's sake.

If we get HI-Bred GFE, it is usually a function of "OUR" abilities, not their's...Draw your own conclusions. You will only experience your hos as hos, and never the depth of experience that I do, or the depth of experience that is potentially possibly with many of them, because you view them as hos, and I suspect with considerable contempt were I to psychoanalyze you just based on your demeanor here on ISG.

She is, to me, not delivering just as a another ho out of a thousand. I don't know where you went wrong...well, actually, I do, but you wouldn't listen to my advice. I have known a thousand of them, all over the world, and she ain't among the majority of them with me. She probably occupies about the upper 3%. I guess it's the difference between me being in her bed and you being there. I don't know where you went wrong, getting merely good service, delivered under duress, and not outstanding Hi-Bred GFE service, sservice given, not delivered, and willingly, longingly. But, as long as you're satisfied...I guess that's all we can expect from you.

Now, go find Cindy #1, Angry Girl, and whomever else you think you can use to make your feable attempts to aggravate me further. But, watch out for Cindy #1...she packs a blade.

[Member #3453]

I have a very hard time explaining the difference to some of these guys between GFE that we routinely get from our best girls, and "service delivered," and for that relative commentary posted here, I am seen by them as weak, when in reality I am getting sooooo much more for my money.

The "sensitivities" that are misconstrued in me as weakness are the source of my schtick, and the thing in my approach to them that yields the GFE, and to include the hi-bred GFE when I am very lucky, such as with my "G" girl, and she is my "G" girl.

This sensitivity, the "anti-tough guy" approach, is the thing that permits me to get them for bargain prices, for 2,3,4, or 10 times the amount of time.

Oh well...hard heads will never prosper.


Power to you Bob. I am more respectful of you now that I see grace from you. Way to go Bob. You da man.

And Mastermind dude. I can see you walking the sidewalks I frequent. You may as well have laid in on the same beds I so long had so many chicas, sometime 3 or 4. Many times with Mr. L in the next bad or Carlos with his hot Obsession girlfriend. Sweet memories and hot times. PDA rocks being so close to the clubs, a walking distance, and the hotel itself an authentic Mexican Otel. Be careful with the restaurant thu. They use way too much grease.

There is a girl at the Infinito who has returned after a long absence, her name is Stacy. You will not believe she is available at a place like Infinito. Go check her out. You can thank me later.

Be safe.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

I have to agree with you Bob. Fully.

Even Carlos, the king of Monterrey, told me as I was strongly recommending he that samples one of my girl. He said that what I get from her is not the same she delivers to all the others. She gives me this special spice no one else gets.

You are correct. With these girls, we are like a special guest to them that they appreciate the opportunity to make us happy. Please us beyond plain 'delivery'. I never thought about it that way before. But now that you mentioned it, I guess you always did but I chose to ignore it, I see what you mean.

Not only from the girls. The royal treatment I get at the club I frequent, Prestige, Obsession and Infiniti, and El Cielo in my previous years, that treatment is earned, not bought.

Wasted


I have a very hard time explaining the difference to some of these guys between GFE that we routinely get from our best girls, and "service delivered," and for that, we are seen as weak, when in reality we are getting sooooo much more for our money. The "sensitivities" that are misconstrued in me as weakness are the source of my schtick, and the thing in my approach to them that yields the GFE, and to include the hi-bred GFE. Oh well...hard heads will never prosper.

[Member #3453]

Absolutely...it is treatment given, not purchased. Mastermind purchased my "G" girl...fine, that is her business, and she is good at what she does, she treated him as a client...But, he did not get from her what she gives freely to me, and lovingly. There is such a huge difference. These guys will never get it, they are too thick to open their minds.


I have to agree with you Bob. Fully.

Even Carlos, the king of Monterrey, told me as I was strongly recommending he that samples one of my girl. He said that what I get from her is not the same she delivers to all the others. She gives me this special spice no one else gets.

You are correct. With these girls, we are like a special guest to them that they appreciate the opportunity to make us happy. Please us beyond plain 'delivery'. I never thought about it that way before. But now that you mentioned it, I guess you always did but I chose to ignore it, I see what you mean.

Not only from the girls. The royal treatment I get at the club I frequent, Prestige, Obsession and Infiniti, and El Cielo in my previous years, that treatment is earned, not bought.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Neither do I check my watch.
My reference is the 9:00 Pm line up and how many girls danced after your arrival up to the line up.

I didn't establish the reference... a place that goes on whether it rains, stars are out ,or shines outside must have it's own way of tracking time.



Yes Carlos Perez I was there at about that time but who looks at his watch right? HAHA

Unospongebob she did give good service but shes just one hooker among hundreds. She is already forgotten. I don't need my hand held like a little girl and I don't get so gaga over a piece of ass no matter how good it is.

[El Cabron 007]

I hate to sound cheesy but what the fluck.

I was with one of the girls at the Taboo club one night when the song 'Labios Compartidos' came on. For those of you who need a Spanish lesson, it is 'shared lips'. Talk about not wanting to share his lover with others. Anyways, so when this song came on, my girl looked at me with the sweetest eyes and sang a long to me inserting my name as in 'ya no puedo comparter tus labios, Wasted' When the song finished, she was still setting with her head to the ground. As I left up her head to see her face, I saw tears in her eyes.

y estoy aque boratcho y loco
y mi corazon idiota.

Wasted


Absolutely...it is treatment given, not purchased. Mastermind purchased my "G" girl...fine, that is her business, and she is good at what she does, she treated him as a client...But, he did not get from her what she gives freely to me, and lovingly. There is such a huge difference. These guys will never get it, they are too thick to open their minds.

[MonterreyDude]

Hello Mr. Cheese.... how's everything back home at Cheesy Springs???



I hate to sound cheesy but what the fluck.

I was with one of the girls at the Taboo club one night when the song 'Labios Compartidos' came on. For those of you who need a Spanish lesson, it is 'shared lips'. Talk about not wanting to share his lover with others. Anyways, so when this song came on, my girl looked at me with the sweetest eyes and sang a long to me inserting my name as in 'ya no puedo comparter tus labios, Wasted' When the song finished, she was still setting with her head to the ground. As I left up her head to see her face, I saw tears in her eyes.

y estoy aque boratcho y loco
y mi corazon idiota.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

I know. I know. What can I do? I have a weakness for a pretty face. Not to mention hot bodies.


Hello Mr. Cheese.... how's everything back home at Cheesy Springs???

[El Cabron 007]

I was curious. Do the girl like to do the lineup (presentation) and the dance? I know they hang out by the DJ window and that's where you find them if you are looking for one. Between the men's bathroom and the privado entrance is where you will catch any girl of the girls. Ask Carlos. He knows.

But do they wait for their turn to dance and do they wait for the minute the line up starts? During the 10:30 pm presentation and by the end time, like 10:55 pm, the girls are so restless and gather around the stage steps ready to get off. They run from the stage to their lockers. That's when Wasted gets a wave of instants visits from the girls. So Cute.

I myself see the presentation a savior sometimes when I want the girl to leave or if I need to get a break and just be with my friends or by myself if I was alone. But other times, if I am enjoying a girl's company, I dread it and I dread the cost of 350 pesos if I wanted the girl to stay. Some have enough guts, or should I say are pushy enough?, to ask me "It's presentation time, should I go up or do you want to pay?" Those are usually the ones I do NOT want staying with me.

Last time thou, I had crazy S with me when the manager joined us and motioned the girl to go up. I motioned to him that "no, she is staying with me, you go up" :-) and I paid 300 pesos only. I guess I got a discount because sometimes they charge 350 or even 400.

So, again, the question is: Do the girls prefer to perform or stay on the ground hunting?

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

They prefer the extras... but if you are willing to pay instant privados for them with out taking them up... meaning you are anteing up their quota which will mean an extra 400 pesos from the salary (30 privado quota), plus the commisions, plus the extras.
The girls that start working at 2 pm are aiming for the salary and they have to work extra for the money.
The girls that arrive at 5 pm are in the balance of going for the salary and get money from extras
The girls that arrive at 7 pm will get their main income from extras. It is too late to aim for the 30 privados.




I was curious. Do the girl like to do the lineup (presentation) and the dance? I know they hang out by the DJ window and that's where you find them if you are looking for one. Between the men's bathroom and the privado entrance is where you will catch any girl of the girls. Ask Carlos. He knows.

But do they wait for their turn to dance and do they wait for the minute the line up starts? During the 10:30 pm presentation and by the end time, like 10:55 pm, the girls are so restless and gather around the stage steps ready to get off. They run from the stage to their lockers. That's when Wasted gets a wave of instants visits from the girls. So Cute.

I myself see the presentation a savior sometimes when I want the girl to leave or if I need to get a break and just be with my friends or by myself if I was alone. But other times, if I am enjoying a girl's company, I dread it and I dread the cost of 350 pesos if I wanted the girl to stay. Some have enough guts, or should I say are pushy enough?, to ask me "It's presentation time, should I go up or do you want to pay?" Those are usually the ones I do NOT want staying with me.

Last time thou, I had crazy S with me when the manager joined us and motioned the girl to go up. I motioned to him that "no, she is staying with me, you go up" :-) and I paid 300 pesos only. I guess I got a discount because sometimes they charge 350 or even 400.

So, again, the question is: Do the girls prefer to perform or stay on the ground hunting?

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

Very good Carlos. That makes sense ... and it also adds up:

The early girls are the not so pretty ones who don't expect a wave of customers buying time.

The 5 pm girls are the cute little pretty girls that we usually enjoy

Then the latecomers, the hot ones who have a die-hard fans waiting for them as they come down and not to bee seen again until it's go home time. And even then, I see them stay in privados until way after 11 pm, which is their end of shift time.

So, early bird gets the worm and early worm gets eaten.

Wasted


They prefer the extras... but if you are willing to pay instant privados for them with out taking them up... meaning you are anteing up their quota which will mean an extra 400 pesos from the salary (30 privado quota), plus the commisions, plus the extras.
The girls that start working at 2 pm are aiming for the salary and they have to work extra for the money.
The girls that arrive at 5 pm are in the balance of going for the salary and get money from extras
The girls that arrive at 7 pm will get their main income from extras. It is too late to aim for the 30 privados.

[El Cabron 007]

Many a times, I'd be setting with a girl and some mofo hovers around us or keeps looking our way trying to get the girl's attention. One built enough guts to come ask her "Are you available?" Idiots.

But this one dude that I thought was very courageous came right out and ask 'me' if he can borrow my Sex X for a single dance. And he pretty much got down on his knees. I felt like a pimp. Needless to say, the dude earned it if he is so desperate. And who wouldn't be? Sexy X was the hottest girl on the floor and she spends every minute with me when I'm there.

The girl that a dude asked if she was available laughed in his face. She was Mr. L's "J" girl who keeps me company sometimes.

But Sexy X, when it was time for the presentation, she begged me, "Wasted, please don't let me go on the line up. I want to stay with you." Now how could you say no to that? What horney gringo can turn down such a bleeding from the hottest and tiniest so damm sexy chica who just turned 18? Who is one of only 2 girls in the world that gives me an instant woody (as Carlos calls it) with the touch of her hand? And oh when she dances, she keeps looking at me as if to ask me if I approve of her performance. She throws her undies to me. Then when she comes down naked from the stage, she brushes all the guys aside and does not set down until after a minute of the sexist show on earth right between my knees.

I miss my X girl.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Wasted says: "I miss my X girl."

You miss your X girl? talk about the other way around!!!

I was yesterday (Saturday) at the Infinito, was chatting with USB's G-Girl about a musical group coming down to Monterrey and she was asking how to get tickets for the concert (via Ticketmaster, but these girls need assistance for this). Had to take her to a privado to chat with her cause the drinks mean nothing to her quota.
During the privado chat (4 privados), suddenly out of nowhere, well, right across my booth, my Z girl finishes a session and in flash, she is in the privado, not even going to the guys for her tickets, asking me for a salida.

The G-girl excuses herself so we could keep up the chat.
The Z girl hadn't seen me in a while and it showed (was she good that moment!!!)
I told her I didn't have my ID with me and my Z girl just keeps insisting that she is hot and she wants me... blah, blah, blah, but a very conviencing blah, blah....

I really hated this, cause she was sad when I showed her my wallet, with no valid ID (Mexican drivers license is not a valid ID in Mexico).
And "sad" is an understatement!!!




Many a times, I'd be setting with a girl and some mofo hovers around us or keeps looking our way trying to get the girl's attention. One built enough guts to come ask her "Are you available?" Idiots.

But this one dude that I thought was very courageous came right out and ask 'me' if he can borrow my Sex X for a single dance. And he pretty much got down on his knees. I felt like a pimp. Needless to say, the dude earned it if he is so desperate. And who wouldn't be? Sexy X was the hottest girl on the floor and she spends every minute with me when I'm there.

The girl that a dude asked if she was available laughed in his face. She was Mr. L's "J" girl who keeps me company sometimes.

But Sex X, when it was time for the presentation, she begged me, "Wasted, please don't let me go on the line up. I want to stay with you." Now how could you say no to that? What horney gringo can turn down such a bleeding from the hottest and tiniest so damm sexy chica who just turned 18? Who is one of only 2 girls in the world that gives me an instant woody (as Carlos calls it) with the touch of her hand? And oh when she dances, the keeps looking at me as if to ask me if I approve of her performance. She throws her undies to me. The when she comes down naked from the stage, she brushes all the guys aside and does not set down until after a minute of the sexist show on earth right between my knees.

I miss my X girl.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

Wait a minute. They still ask 'you' for an ID? You'd think after all this time they would know you by now. Or is there no end to this?

I am usually asked for my passport which I wish I did not have to carry with me while clubbing. They make a Xerox copy and give it back to me.

Plus the fact that they ask me which hotel I am staying at. But I sometimes take the girls to another hotel if I am staying in one of the not girl-friendly ones.

Wasted


Wasted says: "I miss my X girl."

You miss your X girl? talk about the other way around!!!

I was yesterday (Saturday) at the Infinito, was chatting with USB's G-Girl about a musical group coming down to Monterrey and she was asking how to get tickets for the concert (via Ticketmaster, but these girls need assistance for this). Had to take her to a privado to chat with her cause the drinks mean nothing to her quota.
During the privado chat (4 privados), suddenly out of nowhere, well, right across my booth, my Z girl finishes a session and in flash, she is in the privado, not even going to the guys for her tickets, asking me for a salida.

The G-girl excuses herself so we could keep up the chat.
The Z girl hadn't seen me in a while and it showed (was she good that moment!!!)
I told her I didn't have my ID with me and my Z girl just keeps insisting that she is hot and she wants me... blah, blah, blah, but a very conviencing blah, blah....

I really hated this, cause she was sad when I showed her my wallet, with no valid ID (Mexican drivers license is not a valid ID in Mexico).
And "sad" is an understatement!!!

[El Cabron 007]

Mastermind, buddy, what the hell? How old are you?

Where do you get off asking the hookers about our names? What good does that serve but your ill intentions? And top it all by showing the girls what we write about them?

Did you know this is Mexico we are dealing with? I hope you will visit frequently enough to learn that these girls can make things happen with a whisper. They can do us harm you don't seem to have the mental abilities to comprehend. What the hell do you think you're doing?

To go down to Monterrey to screw the girls is one thing. But to go screw with the guys who frequent there and put them in danger is completely uncalled for and is not but child play.

What did you accomplish by asking a prostitute about her clients' names? Are you with LE?

And Jackson, for goodness sake., what are doing posting what is probably the worst report on your forum as ROD?

Wasted


I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said no and then I asked if she sees a lot of Americanos. She said that she has some regular American clients but nothing special. I asked if she remembered their names and she gave me three: one that started with a P another with a R and another G. I won't reveal their names since I respect the privacy of my mongering compatriots. She was so charming that I showed her my laptop and my research for my trip. She didn't get offended. She just laughed at all the gushy romantic stuff she read through the translator. I asked her if this was her boyfriend and she said "Ay dios, no. Es muy mamon" (Carlos, what does mamon mean?) and that she thinks its some old guy with a laptop who comes down a lot on business and always wants to be with her all the time. She rolled her eyes and laughed a lot while reading so I think she thought unospongebob was real funny. But shes not mad or embarrased. She is a nice girl and we chatted and read for about an hour. By the way, I learned that her name is actually Galilea, not Galileo, the masculine version.

[Whome69]

This whole section of NL has been very quite for the last few days? I am generally a lurker.

Why so silent! We know.

It is because a poster, Mastermind, an established poster who has probably taken on a new identity for the sole purpose of embarrassing USB (maybe Jackson can check on this). Even though I live less than 2 hours from Monterrey, I haven't spent much time down there "playing" BUT I have learned alot from reading the posts. In fact, even though I am well traveled, I am not a big monger.

Lets face it, why are we here? I am willing to bet, there is some Fantasy aspect involved with everyone and to be honest being on the Net, allows for a very private but public fantasy which allows us to learn new things. For some people, it is more and why should we judge?

Ultimately to be honest, we are looking for "good sex" (GFE++ (USB) or without ties (Carlos)). And perhaps understanding why these girls are involved in the business and their mindsets allows us to get "better girls" and better sessions from them. Verdad? For all we know, they want a guy who wears nice shoes with clean socks and colored underwear! FYI, it just not about the money all of them. Carlos, being a Mexicano, has a very different mindset, understanding and rules vs USB, the Gringo, but this is Good and the reality of the situation. Gringos, good and bad, are handled differently by the girls than a National. However, we want the end result is the same. But I KNOW that the Mexican culture is different than the American. As a side note, I know many Gringos that have the same attitude that Carlos does. It is just not Mexican.

Even you have written that you have had problems of getting the attention of the good looking girls when the Clubs were busy? So perhaps you could get their attention by reading the advice of other people on the Boards. BTW, there are tricks.

USB, Carlos, Wasted, Mill, et al has nothing done to anyone and you don't have the right to attack any one of these people in such a personal way.

In fact, I question your interrogation methods of the lady, I challange you if you think you got the right answers assuming you are reporting truthfully. Remember YOUR mindset which would effect the questions and how you asked them? Did you ask leading questions? Maybe she could tell that you had "hard on" for someone? How do you know she answered truthfully? Did you validate anything she said? Are you really that naive to think that she will tell you everything she knows ABOUT CUSTOMERS just because you asked? A current or Customer that she is pisssed off at? That she will be honest with you; with a Man she has only seen a few times, as a customer, in her life? Especially with a man who doesn't even speak Spanish? She has no idea who or what you are. What does this girl thinks or knows, is locked in her head and not will not come out easily. Remember what she does!

Let me ask this question, how many X wifes and girlfriends are "positive" about their X spouses/boyfriends? Yet, you think these girls are somehow different? For all you know, the G Girl really LOVED USB at one time. But now she is upset and is badmouthing him. Or perhaps she does but will never admit to a paying customer?

And her acting skills? These girls are GREAT actors if they are good at their job. So your report on what she said and did, for me, counts for absolutely nothing. She had NO idea who you were. And her "feelings"? Come on, again, you think women are that honest? LOL! Why didn't you film (with audio) the interview? Perhaps you could have gotten more points with me. But again, who really cares! NOT ME. It proves NOTHING about the past. Let alone the present.

And then it returns to the same picture! It goes back to the reality and situation for each person. How dare you attack someone's perspective! Their history? Were you there? Do you have a Vita that shows that you can perform a forensic psychological analytical investigation? Of course not, so you have NO right to attack USB's position, story or account? Even if it was a COMPLETE fantasy on his part, why shatter it?

Even if the girl directly posted herself, why should I believe it? I wonder what my X wife write about me?

Some may say that USB should respond! ? Why? This is not the forum for this and it shows that he is a true gentleman. Indeed, Jackson should police this area a little more carefully and NOT allow these type of attacks.

If you are not interested in reading USB, et al. Simple answer! Don't READ THEM and then you don't have to respond at the most. If you want, you can write a report that shows a different outcome. People have the right to know. However, lets be honest, we can be with the same girl and have very different reports. Does this mean one person is wrong or lying? No.

But you are being mean spirited. How would you like it if I went to Monterrey, took "G" on a Salida, and asked her about you and she reported that, "He was terrible in bed with a little dick! I just like his money. I luv Whome because you make me cum 3 times" or that, "Mindset was a fat ugly pig who smelled badly! ". It doesn't belong on this board! What you have done is very comparable!

USB knows or should know that posting his personal life, feelings and emotions exposes him to attack but on the other hand, readers should understand that the type of "investigative reporting" that Mastermind has undertaken, even if completely honest, is extremely unreliable, at the very least, because of his methodology. If you believe this "factual" report, then you probably only realized that Bush lied about WMDs just last year.

IMO, USB has let his heart and soul on this Board, and the "investigation" by Mastermind was poorly undertaken and should be discarded in the trashcan. Other people also have let their positions known. But it helps the reader understand their advice and experiences. IT HELPS if you will read it.

AND FYI, On line interpreters are not that good especially for USB's writing style.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Whome69]

Six days at the Best Western on Juarez in mid July.

Very interesting!

LOL!!

[Bbond]

This is a grand taboo........showing girls info we post here will cause SERIOUS consequences. And that is not just here, showing girls stuff from ANY monger board will cause you great disgrace.


Just FYI, mamon basically means sucker.
In México, "mamón" is a bad word, not polite. It is used to express that someone thinks that he is the only one who can do the things well, that he deserves all, and of course his attitude on that way is annoying to others.



She was so charming that I showed her my laptop and my research for my trip. She didn't get offended. She just laughed at all the gushy romantic stuff she read through the translator. I asked her if this was her boyfriend and she said "Ay dios, no. Es muy mamon" (Carlos, what does mamon mean?) and that she thinks its some old guy with a laptop who comes down a lot on business and always wants to be with her all the time. She rolled her eyes and laughed a lot while reading so I think she thought unospongebob was real funny.

[Bbond]

And Jackson, for goodness sake., what are doing posting what is probably the worst report on your forum as ROD?


From what I have seen, a well formatted report of a fair length is AUTOMATICALLY singled out as a possible ROD.
I don't believe Jackson would approve of this guys actions.

[Bbond]

As Carlos says, what this board is for is us mongers to share info, all sorts of info, how and where to find best girls, how to avoid overcharges and rip-offs, etc.

Sure the girls, if they are computer savy, can find and read everything...but it is NOT our place to help them.

Maybe we should move this to another more private board, where new signups are verified.

It is disgusting what Mastermind has done, but I doubt he is the only one that has done so, but rather the only one to openly admit it.

[Member #3453]

Well, lets keep score...The old, "mamon" has gotten 8-12 hour sessions from "G" now for a whole year, all for only 500-1000 pesos per session, spending time I wanted to spend with her my way, and enjoying the shit out of her the entire time, both sexually, socially, and with considerable affection...Asia style.

I don't literally see where the "mamon" has been on the losing end of this deal. Literally, Mastermind, your decision to bar fine her a second time, to spend on a double salida, and to have your "pillow talk" with her only goes to prove my point about her abilities. But, lets also keep something in mind...the entire time I was with "G" girl, I was not paying regular going rates.

What I really think is hilarious is that a girl that you yourself commented on formerly as one you thought was just one among 1000 other options, is a girl that you just could not stop thinking about. You have vouched for my selection criteria by posting your recent report. My advice to you, since you know the depth of her charms, is to be very careful. She knows she has already lost me as a client, and she is trying her best to repair that "relationship" with me at this very moment.

Frankly, I did not believe she to be that disengenous toward me, but at the same time, I always told everyone in my reports that the "fantasy" with me always ended whenever "financial" considerations entered into the arrangement. You can play with my emotions, but the buck stops there, literally. Illustrate for me where my "financial" investment in my "G" had any detrimental effect on my seeing her. And, frankly, if you haven't found out already, she is exceptional to many other options in MTY. So, my decision to see her was well founded,, and you know that now first hand, and you can't refute it, not and also still have any degree of credibility here on ISG.

Frankly, I don't care what "G" told you...she is engaged in her business, telling you about whatever makes her appear sensible to her "John." Hers is a line used to make you want to bar fine her, just as I did, and do. I mean, it wouldn't seem right, a young girl representing to you that she actually wanted to be with an older man like me when she has such a "mamon" like yourself. So, she plays on your ego. But, the reality is, she spent her time with me, willingly, lovingly, and she did so for very little money. I don't know about you, but ain't that the object of the game?

Just ask yourself this...what motivates a girl to travel two hours by bus, one way, with a splitting headache, and sinus infection, to stay with the old "mamon," all for merely getting paid 500 pesos? What causes a girl who is a austensibly a real mercenary, interested in my money only, to spend 8-12 hours with the "old mamon," for an entire year, every three-four weeks at a time, usually a week at a time, every single day of those weeks during the course of the entire year, all for the grand prospect of making 1000 pesos for 8-12 hours spent with him, many times skipping work, jeapardizing her job to be there.

Don't take my word for it, ask the other regulars on here about her time commitments to me, and the obvious jeapardy of those time commitments upon her job. Certainly, I realize what I am dealing with whem I consort with these girls, she included. And, while I thoroughly enjoyed my time with her, I did not jeapardize my real life by having done so. I fed her ego for the entire year or I can assure you, she would not have been there for me.

You are being sucked in just as you accused me. Make no mistake, she can say what ever she wants to say to make her behavior with me seem like she was playing me, and that she was in total control of the situation, but financially, I was in total control at all times. Isn't that the measure of success? Nobody can point to one instance where I did not get an absolute bargain by seeing her.

My point is not to tute my own horn, but to demonstrate that what she says about my being her "mamon," and she spending hours on end with me for peanuts, just doesn't make any sense. She refers to me as her mamon in one respect to you, and spends hours with me otherwise. Her actions reveal her true motivations, period. That is what I always based my assessments on with respect to her sincerity. Her sincerity is directly traceable to her willingness to spend those amounts of time for almost NO MONEY.

I got great GFE from a girl that you confirm in your own testimonials as being far superior to anything else you can find there in Monterrey, as is evidenced by your decision to bar fine her a second time, one of them being a double bar fine. I am reading the lines of your most recent post, and you are as smitten with her delivery of the GFE as I am. You are converting, IMHO, to your having a GFE preference. It is literally the first time, I believe, that you have ever experienced it. It is simply almost not heard of in Mexico. But, in other countries, in Asia, for example, her delivery is par for the course, not something unusual. Just ask anyone who really knows the two venues, Mexico and Asia, and you'll see that what I am telling you about GFE, and worldclass expectations, is true with respect to her exceptional delivery. Until now, you simply never experienced mongering the way I play the game, the way it is played in all the world class venues, the PI, Thailand, Indonesia...

And, while many on here will believe me to be grief stricken over the prospect that "G" is not "in-love" with me, the only grief that I actually feel is the grief that this absolute "gravy train" of a deal is coming to a very likely end...and, truth be known Mastermind, her gravy train ended last month, and she knew it...you are very likely her next "mamon." I really do like, love, appreciate her personality, and her demeanor. Certainly, she is exceptional, and I enjoyed her legitimate attentions. But, in my circumstances, I never expected to take it anywhere other than to anticipate a repeat performance, one hopefully based in some kind of reality from her perspective. I think I got that from her, and had it proved to me over and over for a year.

But, please don't misunderstand my comments about her that seem negative. I love her dearly, and I do not judge her, not for what she austensibly said, and not for having betrayed my confidence by telling you about me, and not for being a ho. I appreciate her for what she was to me when I was there, a total and complete GFE diversion from my real life. And, I do feel that a girl of such talents wastes her life as a ho, regardless of what you say she says about me. I feel sorry for her, that she is what she apparently is. Because, literally, while your story represents her as disengenous, coniving, lying, etc...I actually believe otherwise about her. They are not to be trusted, certainly, but they aren't all bad either. The aspects of her that I can enjoy, I truly appreciate. If in fact her true opinion of me is disengenuous, then I love her still for what she gave me, seemingly given because she wanted to.

I don't necessarily believe the words she told you about me anyway, even when I know that it sounds reasonable for her to say them about me, just because it makes her appear to be stupid otherwise. If I were her, I would represent my Johns to you in the sameway, that I have Gabachos in the US that visit me, a poor, low class girl, a girl with wealthy, educated, and kind men visiting her, just her, for only her. It is an ego boost she craves, and appreciates.

Literally, actions speak much louder than words. Her actions demonstrate to me a different opinion of me than she represented to you for effect, one that had me paying no salida fees and giving her only 1000 pesos at the conclusion of each session, sessions that were todo la noche and 8-12 hours long. She can say whatever she wants, you can represent her comments however you please, but she has demonstrated to me, through her actions, that she wanted to be there. You can not dispute those numbers, the low, low, cost in exchange for extraordinarily long periods of time, and neither can she, assuming any of your or her comments are true.

Remember, all my former posts revolved around "actions" as they relate to finances. I got the best part of the deal for a whole year, and my ONLY remorse is that I have to start looking all over again. I know the relative scarsity of her GFE in MTY, and so do you.

Rest assured, when I find her replacement, you will be totally clueless because I will no longer contribute anything to this forum, certainly nothing of any logistical, or specific detail. Good luck on your own because my "G" girl will sour on you in very short order, and you will begin to pay her accordingly.


Sorry I couldn't post sooner but I had some work things to handle and couldn't take the time to write but I'm here now to report on my last two days in Monterrey.

I have to admit that unospongebob was right about one thing at least. I couldn't help myself but repeat with his "G" girl, Gallileo from the Infinito club. This time I bar fined her for two sessions for 4 hours total. She agreed of course and off we went early on in the evening. We began by having a nice session: BJ, to mish to doggie finish. Then we had some pillow talk. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said no and then I asked if she sees a lot of Americanos. She said that she has some regular American clients but nothing special. I asked if she remembered their names and she gave me three: one that started with a P another with a R and another G. I won't reveal their names since I respect the privacy of my mongering compatriots. She was so charming that I showed her my laptop and my research for my trip. She didn't get offended. She just laughed at all the gushy romantic stuff she read through the translator. I asked her if this was her boyfriend and she said "Ay dios, no. Es muy mamon" (Carlos, what does mamon mean?) and that she thinks its some old guy with a laptop who comes down a lot on business and always wants to be with her all the time. She rolled her eyes and laughed a lot while reading so I think she thought unospongebob was real funny. But shes not mad or embarrased. She is a nice girl and we chatted and read for about an hour. By the way, I learned that her name is actually Galilea, not Galileo, the masculine version.

After the chat we had another session that included a greek lesson. Finally a final session that I upsold to a BBBJ CIM for an extra 500 pesos. I was surprised to still have a decent load in me to blow after having squirted twice before. Only complaint on my last service was that Galilea shut her mouth while I was squirting and could'nt catch it all. And that's not much of a complaint at all :>

I finished the salida by taking her back to Infinito to finish her work night. We said our goodbyes and I promised to come back and visit. She called me an angel, but I actually felt more like a devil at that moment. HAHA.

The next day I went to Faronas MP and had a good deal with a cute spinner brunette named Sandra. 300 for the hour plus 100 more for a tittie fuck to completion without condom.

Next I went back to Signore and sessioned with a girl named Grecia. Again 300 pesos for standard sex and she wouldn't be talked into any other services. Too bad because she was the best MP girl that I had seen all trip. Still good service.

All in all I had a very interesting time in Monterrey on this visit. I made a new friend in Galilea and had some good sex in the MP's for very cheap prices except for MIsses which was well worth the price. Work may bring me back to Monterrey next month and we'll see what awaits me then.

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[Doubt98]

Then we had some pillow talk. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said no and then I asked if she sees a lot of Americanos. She said that she has some regular American clients but nothing special. I asked if she remembered their names and she gave me three: one that started with a P another with a R and another G. I won't reveal their names since I respect the privacy of my mongering compatriots. She was so charming that I showed her my laptop and my research for my trip. She didn't get offended. She just laughed at all the gushy romantic stuff she read through the translator. I asked her if this was her boyfriend and she said "Ay dios, no. Es muy mamon" (Carlos, what does mamon mean?) and that she thinks its some old guy with a laptop who comes down a lot on business and always wants to be with her all the time. She rolled her eyes and laughed a lot while reading so I think she thought unospongebob was real funny. But shes not mad or embarrased. She is a nice girl and we chatted and read for about an hour.


What was she supposed to say? "Yes I do and I wish you were him?"

Mastermind, please quit being an ass.

[Member #3453]

Uhmmm, Doubt98, you pointing that out caused me to notice how he claims she responded to realizing that I was commenting on ISG, she saying, "Oh God,...NO..."

She is realizing just how deep in shit she really was...was she laughing as she read my comments on ISG??? Laughing on the outside, and crying on the inside, likely reading for an hour and understanding the depth of having accepted a salida from this slug, and also simultaneously realizing that she has just stepped in it big time.

At least I have a legitimate track record to draw conclusions about what she really thinks, and all Mastermind has is a twisted agenda against me driving his creativity. We'll see how long she wishes to see Mastermind...he sounds like a real dream boat.

I will see her again soon. I will get her side of the story. And, I will report her reactions to Mastermind. Of course, in his defense, I expect she will probably tell me how repulsed by him she was...I expect her to represent him to me the same way she represented me to him.

If she has already seen ISG, then Mastermind should have no objections to my showing her his contributions. Do any of you guys object to my showing her his contributions, since she has already austensibly seen them and ours?

It is very interesting to me that several days after her encounter with Mastermind, she is communicating with me, asking me where I am, why I haven't returned to MTY, if I am angry with her, calling me her angel verdad...It seems she has decided that maybe I know a lot more than she would prefer me to know. That term, by the way, "Angel," is a term I coined, and one she adopted as her reference for me. She is undoubtedly using it on Mastermind. She has learned well.

She is a tender lover, and she knows absolutely how to deliver the goods with the most unbelievable sensitivity and feeling...As I said, it's not all about sex. I can tell you, in 2005, when I first bar fined her, she was not as good as she is today. I hope you enjoyed the fruits of my labor Mastermind...you got a little taste of Asia in Mexico, something you will almost never find again.

Uhmmm, another thing occurs to me...Is it worth 500-1000 pesos, for a girl to be making all this effort to retain the old Mamon??? What girl in MTY goes through all these gyrations for 500-1000 pesos, while having to invest hours upon hours???

I have visited Monterrey now for six years, and I am here to frickin' tell ya' that they ain't gonna show up if they don't wanna' be there, and especially for 500-1000 pesos, and especially for 8-12 hours/todo la noche, sick, sinus infections, caughing like death warmed over, helping me look for an apartment all day long in the rain, etc...c'mon!!! She has proven it over and over to me. I am NOT insecure in my knowledge about her wanting to be with the old Mamon. The fact that she delivered the goods, just as I have taught her, does not surprise me. My only regret is that the likes of Mastermind got a taste.

And, this statement really kills me Mastermind..."She is a nice girl and we chatted and read for about an hour."

Do you realize the absurdity of your comment...? As I said, you are as fucked up over her as I am. You frickin' HYPOCRIT!!! :D Just kidding...I really don't mean to bait you, I don't really have any agenda with respect to the likes of you, but c'mon???

I understand your thinking she is "special," so do I, because she is exceptional, but to be commenting how nice a girl she is sounds more like "me" than you. Already, even in your most recent post, you're already "dreaming" of your return to her.

C'mon, where is the peanut gallery, commenting on this guy's absurd gullibility?

Mastermind can represent her motivations and her attitudes toward me all he wants, and in whatever way he chooses, and it simply doesn't matter. I have the experience with her over the course of an entire year to measure her by. And now, he has very intelligently given me a hammer to hold over her head, which I suspect will prove even more beneficial to my overall bottom line. Thanks Mastermind, my next visit with her will be very interesting...

By the way, do I sound like a little hurt puppy dog??? Because, I am far from it. She is, in fact, one in a million. But, they have to be shaped into what you are so undeservedly enjoying as a result of a very specific process. I thought you would just prefer to stick to your MP girls, but now...oh....now? You will not be able to forget her, and many others will literally pale in comparison. There are more like her, but you will die of old age trying to find them. No more initials, no names, no photos, no nothing, not even logistics...just my annoying commentary.



Then we had some pillow talk. I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said no and then I asked if she sees a lot of Americanos. She said that she has some regular American clients but nothing special. I asked if she remembered their names and she gave me three: one that started with a P another with a R and another G. I won't reveal their names since I respect the privacy of my mongering compatriots. She was so charming that I showed her my laptop and my research for my trip. She didn't get offended. She just laughed at all the gushy romantic stuff she read through the translator. I asked her if this was her boyfriend and she said "Ay dios, no. Es muy mamon" (Carlos, what does mamon mean?) and that she thinks its some old guy with a laptop who comes down a lot on business and always wants to be with her all the time. She rolled her eyes and laughed a lot while reading so I think she thought unospongebob was real funny. But shes not mad or embarrased. She is a nice girl and we chatted and read for about an hour.


What was she supposed to say? "Yes I do and I wish you were him?"

Mastermind, please quit being an ass.

[Bbond]

No punishment intended...I have simply decided that reporting anything serves me absolutely no purpose, and I will not have this guy, or any like him, following me around MTY picking up my crumbs. I put too much work into my girls just to have the likes of someone like him following me around, fucking up my world. But, consider this, he not only fucks up my world, he fucks with every single one of you on here by showing these girls our "TRADE SECRETS." His contribution is a pock on mongering, and his betrayal only serves to illustrate why I am choosing not to post anything of substantive value in the future. Mastermind has betrayed the trust of every single member of ISG for the sole purpose of getting even with my articulating my own perspectives and preferences.

I agree with you on this one. You will not read any details of the girls I get outstanding service from. Service I have worked hard to get, and want to keep getting it.
Sure these girls are hookers, sure they are just working for the money and will fuck just about anyone that will pay them. But if some effort is put forth a guy can work himself into a preferred client status, someone the girl enjoys being with and she will go out of her way to show it.

[Whome69]

The way that I see it.

1. Personal attacks are not allowed and what MasterMind has done doesn't belong on the Board. Jackson should have never allowed it. Or at least edited it.

2. These "investigative reports" are totally meaningless. Is MM that naive (I am being nice here) to think that he can a honest answer out of one these girls about a "customer" or a friend of theirs? Wow. MM must be the coolest operator in the World. He should join the CIA, they could use his "great" gift. If he is this good in getting answers, he needs to quit his job and do investigative work, I can him lots of work. Anyone who has ANY experience KNOWs that this type of behavior is a JOKE but a a mean spirited joke. I bet if a trusted person, who has known G for years would ask her about him, she would report something very negative. Why does MM assume these girls are idiots? USB, I bet G knows MM's attitude about her. How can you hide the attitude when you call them hos?

3. On the other hand, remember one of the rules of good propaganda; mix truth with lies. So where is the lie and the truth? So he went down there and had some fun. But the rest?


No punishment intended...I have simply decided that reporting anything serves me absolutely no purpose, and I will not have this guy, or any like him, following me around MTY picking up my crumbs. I put too much work into my girls just to have the likes of someone like him following me around, fucking up my world. But, consider this, he not only fucks up my world, he fucks with every single one of you on here by showing these girls our "TRADE SECRETS." His contribution is a pock on mongering, and his betrayal only serves to illustrate why I am choosing not to post anything of substantive value in the future. Mastermind has betrayed the trust of every single member of ISG for the sole purpose of getting even with my articulating my own perspectives and preferences, and to possibly curry favor with a girl he refers to as a ho, but treats like a girlfriend. I never showed ISG to my "g" girl, nor would I have ever done so. There is simply a code of honor, and while some believe me to be stingy with my information, using the metaphors, etc..., I never used ISG against anyone, or to curry favor with one of my girls. And, the issue at hand for Jackson is whether by allowing his posts to stand, it serves the overall good of ISG. How many of you feel comfortable posting anything of substantive detail at this juncture?

[El Cabron 007]

Day 1: Entered El Ceilo looking for my regular. Her name is Paloma. Not there. Waiter, Jamie, recommended a new girl named Gracia. I passed and sipped on my drink watching the girls dance. None looked worth even speaking to until this hot hot hot girl got up to do her act on stage. The Wasted radar registered 10. Told Jamie to bring her to me when she’s done.

This is where being a regular pays off. As she stepped of the stage, there was the usual lineup of assholes waiting for her to take her upstairs to do nasty stuff to her. But my faithful waiter whispered to the big dude and she was hand-delivered to my table.

Her skin was smooth. Firm body and the cutest face. She is very playful and reached her hand into my gringo Old Navy shorts to shake hands with Johnny who was just as enchanted to meet her. Turns out her name was ….. Gracia.

I did not waste anytime and asked Jaime to arrange for a salida. Now in other clubs, they would ask me for an ID and hotel info. But not me, not at El Cielo. In addition to the ID and payment process, the girls usually take up to 30 minutes to get dressed for the outing. Not Gracia. She was down in 5. This is good and bad. It is good so I will not waste time waiting but bad because it means she did not take a shower. Not a problem thu. I do not mind showering the girls myself. It’s a dirty job but somebody’s gotta do it.

When we got to the Otel Plaza Del Arco, I usually take the side door to avoid the walk of shame we all know and dread. But as luck would have it, I have been out most of the day and my room cardkey needed to be renewed. This is one of the things I hate about PDA. You need to scan your room key daily. So I ended up at the front desk with Gracia, Oh so hot Gracia, with her mini skirt. She sat down to wait for me while I too waited my turn to be serviced at the front desk. There was a group in front of me checking in. Gracia sat on a circular couch that is in the center of the lobby. It has a column right smack in the center and then some more decoration on top, which makes the lobby look like a casing or a housing with a folic symbol. In other words, the PDA looks like they have a big dick in the center of their lobby. Here, check it out: http://www.proximahoteles.com/Imagenes/LobbyPda01.JPG

So anyways, I did not realize how short Gracia’s skirt was until she sat down. Here I am with a hooker who is also dressed like on. I usually pay attention to such minor details but this girl had my mind under the covers already and my head was not thinking until I saw her hot damn hot legs. This girl’s got legs. I guess she also knows how to use them.

Finally in my room. Now the dreadful task of showering this girl. OK fine. I’ll give you a nice shower. I always pack some fancy body wash with me just for the girls. If you add fragrance to a sexy hot body, you get.. what? Anyone? Anyone? Nibu? A hard on.

In the shower, I go for the main wash points. Back, underarms nick … and then take my time cleansing the front and back doors while nibbling on the upper lumps. The front door is clean and ready for delivery. The backdoor must always be inspected. This will give me an early indication if I am in for a treat or not. If I do it right, the girl will either enjoy it, tell you to be gentle or simply give you the ‘get the fuck out of here’ notion. She gave me the “despacito, por fa vor”…. Woohoo .. this is going to be a lovely night.

But wait, I would be a fool if I did not get my extras while in the shower. Without full penetration, I let her massage her clit with my rod while I hug her from behind. She started to moan with pleasure. Now I know acting from real, but when the girl gets goose pumps on her ass and thighs, that is not acting. The goose pumps spread rapidly all over her body when Johnny found his way to her colo. That girl was tight and I could tell she was torn between pleasure and pain.

After I towel-dried her upper body, she picked up a fresh towel and started to dry me. She noticed my erection and must have felt sorry for me or she did not want to wait until we got out of the shower. She got down on her knees and made BIG Johnny disappear completely. Where’s Johnny? Her nick was swollen with tight grip and major suction power. She let Johnny come out for air a couple of times but Johnny did not need any air. Johnny needed to be squeezed.

I gathered enough control to pull Johnny out of her throat and did not care if we were still half wet. I carried Gracia back to my bed and laid her towel under us because I knew there would be a mess. She took out her herbs and we fogged up the room with 420. Heaven? Paradise? Ecstasy? Euphoric? Yes, all of the above. This girl came well prepared with her c-size and round firm ass in addition to the perfect smooth-shaved box? What else? Soft firm skin? Beautiful face? Sweet smile? Excellent personality? I could not ask for anything more. Now she tops it all with spices? I think I landed the mother load.

Action starts with us setting up facing each other. She looked me in the eye as she grabbed my dick while I reached for her clit. This little foreplay turned out to be one of the hottest tease sessions I have ever had. The 420 does miracles when accompanied by other candies. You would think this girl had not had sex in years. No she was not acting. Gracia cannot act the goose pumps. She was very intense and I could see it in her face building up to the ultimate orgasm. Don’t know about other men, but watching a girl’s face react during sex is one major turn on. Then you can tell when a girl is being pleasured by the way she grabs my dick. The hand action was getting hotter and hotter every passing second. Her clitoris was getting firmer and her pussy even wetter. That sweet nectar dripping out of her pussy accompanied by an aroused clit topped by her hand caressing my dick sent me to a high worth a million Canadian dollars.

It did not take long, or so it seems, for Gracia to reach the ultimate climax. I kept telling myself that this girl must be my imaginary chica. There is no way this can be true. Her clit got so hard and her face started to frown. (the right word escapes me). She caressed my dick firmer and I could swear my head was about to explode. Her orgasm must have last an entire minute. Again, her face, her clit, her juice and her hand on my dick gauge it all. She was sweating ever so gently. What amazed me about her is that she smelled great. I wanted to eat her but too late.

Can things get any hotter? Of course they can when she slowly guided my finger away from her clit and into the soft firm center of her colo. I get it; she wants to go take a dump … ha ha .. no you idiot .. Snap out of it .. She wants you in her ass.

I laid her on her back and I positioned myself diagonally so that my dick can say hello to her butt. Sweet gorgeous butt. And I worked my way in ever so slowly watching her facial reaction with every push I made driving Johnny deeper and deeper. Her sweet juice worked perfect as an butt lubricant I did not need my ky. She reached down and grabbed my hand. She had me massage her clitoris while she was sucking my other hand. One finger at a time. Which reminded me. I did not get a blow job? Of course I did. I’m too lazy to go back and edit this report but she is great with her lips, throat and tongue. This would be the second blowjob after the one she gave me in t he shower.

Gracia was 18 years old. I would like to think she is not a hardened pro from the sound of her moans. But who knows? She certainly did not come across as a pro but rather a girl having a hell of time getting screwed by Wasted.

When I was just about to blow my load, she pulled back and moved away from me. I gave her the benefit of the doubt and did not react but watched to see what she was about to do. She gets out of bed and moves to the other side where I was laying. Still do not understand why she had to get up. She gets on top of me and played a little before she positioned herself on top of Johnny. As she inserted Johnny in her, she released a child-like moan that gave me chills. Pleasure chills. Eye-to-eye, she rode me very very slowly tightening her grip on my Johnny as she went up, releasing, then tightening again as she went down. I closed my eyes for 2 seconds but could not take it. The pleasure was intense. To my surprise, the reached for the herbs and we lit up another round of 420. This time, it felt like I had 2 girls in my bed. One riding me and another massaging my juevos. Weird but climatic. Then a 3rd imaginary chica joined us and stuck her finger up my ass. Hot damm little momma. Make sure you use one finger and only one finger.

When a man is about to explode, if you let it rip as it comes, it would be 100 times stronger if you hold it and hold it and hold it and hold it and hold it until the your back and legs muscles ache. A pleasurable pain you cannot put into words. I could swear my head must’ve exploded. It took me good full minute to release my load. I could feel the cum ready to shoot out but there was at least 5 seconds between the time I contract to shoot and the time I actually released. 3 shots and I was drained but the sensation did not fade at all and I kept shooting empty bullets although it felt like a fresh load every shot.

We were both drenched in sweat. We took a 10-minute snoozer cuddling and spooning. She still smelled great and I was tempted to take a bit but wizened up and settled for squeezing every inch of her luscious body with gentle ass fingering. Still in a daze from my release, she gently pulled me out of bed and gave me a nice cool shower that was just what I needed to get back to reality.

I walked her back to El Ceilo. She did not change. She stayed in her short skirt and whatever top she had on, I forgot, and sat with me. The mother fucker clients did not waste time sending waiters to my table telling her they want to see her. She would not leave me. She rested her head on my lap and rubbed my inner thighs inside my short while I sipped on my drink and smoked the most delicious cigarette.

I stayed until closing time, 5 am, and said goodbye to Gracia for the first and last time.

I never saw her again.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Indeed Dr.Brew... you will have fun here in Mty.



I will be making my first trip to Mty. Dec 6th to Dec 9th and after reading the forum I think I have enough information to have a good time. I hope to make it down to Mty at least 4 times per year because I think it probably has more potential for me than any other city in Mexico. I can't wait.

[Whome69]

Wow! Are you a writer. Print or film? This is great. You should make a movie, or at least some great scenes for one.

So I assume that you rate this girl a 9.9999999999999999999?


Day 1: Entered El Ceilo looking for my regular. Her name is Paloma. Not there. Waiter, cigarette.

I stayed until closing time, 5 am, and said goodbye to Gracia for the first and last time.

I never saw her again.

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

hey mj,

no man, i am not being a smart alec. i never even met this alec dude :-)

did you check out the big dick in the lobby of the pda? i am surprised no one had said anything about it before.

besides, i am waiting for my
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

wasted


nice report, wasted! much better and more informative than, "i miss my x girl because she sang a song to me at the table last time." too much info is better than too little. :)

i know you are trying to be a smart alec, but don't you think a message board about helping others find a good working girl should actually be about, well, finding a good working girl?

if you're getting great service from some chica, yippeee for you, but if you don't wish to share any details, then keep your mouth shut and bask in the glow of your conquests while pming your personal buddies about how cool you are.

we don't need (or want) to know every detail about your mongering, but some details would be nice. you, personally, used to post some great trip reports, but then the whole "my girl, your girl" crap got into your head. now it's all about patting yourself on your back and posting pm messages on a public forum. i thought that's what uno's section was about...

c'mon, snap out of it, man and get back to being the real wasted and not uno jr. (sorry, uno)

[El Cabron 007]

you know? i was contemplating posting a sizzling hot photo of sexy x for all to see and understand why i am gaga over her. i showed it to carlos he agreed it would probably make the #1 photo on the isg. mind you that i am also in the picture. sexy x is 110% sexy, she just turned 19 and thinks the world of wasted.

now imagine if i posted her name and photo to share with my fellow mongers and this idiot showed that photo to her.

mj, i kid you not, i sat in coffee shops and bars with some of the girls after hours. we shared tables with high-ranking officers in some occasions and we shared tables with high-ranking tambourine men in others. did you ever have a bodyguard guarding the bathroom for you while you go relieve yourself? i was not bs’ing when i said those girls could do things with a whisper. i was talking from 1st hand knowledge. i had guards wipe the crapper seat for me and stand guard while i took care of business…. think about it.

you may not have seen this or it may not be as bad in your backyard. but monterrey, for those who look for it, has a wild wild west side to it that would make your hair grey. one of the girls i took up as my steady knocked out a huge dude at one bar and broke windows and then took out a security guard all in one round. carlos can vouch for this story. she ended up spending her birthday in jail.

like hell i am giving out names for some idiot to go asking for these girls and show them that “i” told. if i were a one-time visitor to monterrey, then fine. i will leave a path of destruction for all to follow. but i am a regular and i know every single girl in the clubs i frequent. i am even able to steal girls from carlos. the poor guy has to hide them from me and skip seeing his favorite girls when i’m in town. new club girls are introduced to me for my approval. girls bleed with me to take them out to my hotel or out clubbing with the girls. how many of us mongers do out with 10 girls at a time? how many of us need 3 rooms at pda to accommodate the girls? how many of us have girls showing up at infinito asking for them? the poor security dudes scratch their heads wondering what the hell i am doing setting with 10 infinito girls and three knockout gorgeous ones are asking for me outside.

so much i cannot talk about that the girls know and can land me in a ditch somewhere. i am not one to travel thousands of miles just to go set next to a girl in a bar.

to tell you the truth, i would much rather monopolies monterrey. the city is so beautiful and has so much to offer that it would be a shame to have someone like that idiot enjoy it. he is not worthy of enjoying it nor is he worthy of knowing where to go and whom to see.

then again, this is just i venting out my reaction to a single stupid post by a narrow-minded idiot. please forgive.

wasted

[MonterreyDude]

Tell me one thing Mill.... I believe you have favoritas down in Morelia.
Real favoritas you favor, that treat you well, far and beyond the regular treatment a regular monger gets.

Would you like this favorita of yours to be groped in front of you by a visitor from out of town that contacted you via the ISG?.
Wouldn't you feel betrayed if this favorita said "yes" to an indescent proposal by said outsider?

That is what I felt, breifly felt, when Wasted attacked one of my former girlfriends... Iam still friends with her, but she is too mercenary, too "go for the money" kind to feel angry that a turncoat I once thought was a friend (aka Wasted) robbed her from me.

No... just kidding.
But really, I do have 2 girls I would be very dissapointed if they accepted any monetery offer from my friends from the US.
That is why, I have never introduced them to him... he's TOO DAMN DANGEROUS.

USB and Round the World know them both.

Sorry Wasted.






Then, with all due respect, you should seriously re-consider whether the ISG is the right place for you or if you'd rather just get a private yahoo group and chat with your buddies. I like to share info and give my brothas some help and a heads up. The moment I stop caring about the others and feel that I am above it all, that's the moment I'd need to get packing. May I suggest: MySpace/wasted

And what happened to your atonement for your "sins?" ;)

P.S. And don't get me wrong, Mastermind IS an idiot.

[El Cabron 007]

You almost gave me a heart attack. First part of your post got me thinking of what a bad person I am. Man. I am so sorry. If you feel anything like I do for these girls, then I apologize with all my heart and I promise I will never ever repeat this hideous act again. You have my word on it. I was so blind.


That is what I felt, briefly felt, when Wasted attacked one of my former girlfriends... I am still friends with her, but she is too mercenary, too "go for the money" kind to feel angry that a turncoat I once thought was a friend (aka Wasted) robbed her from me.

No... just kidding.


But on this second half. Thanks man. I appreciate the complement. And MJ, do you see how dangerous Wasted can be? ...



That is why, I have never introduced them to him... he's TOO DAMN DANGEROUS.

USB and Round the World know them both.

Sorry Wasted.
just kidding kids. Go back to your seats and let the keyboard get some rest. There is nothing to see here.

Wasted.

Let's see how this comes out ... this is the first time I split quotes like MJ does.

[MonterreyDude]

Mill:
Another thing.
Everyone that comes to Monterrey gets out full attention, our full help.
We might be a little reserved in the public forum, but for those that have the advantage of the PM system that the ISG offers, we go a little further.
I know as a fact that many people have contacted USB and he has gone the extra mile to help them out, giving them clubs, names, locations...
So have I when they contact me.

We also motivate the mongers that come down here to make personal contact.

There has been no monger that has made contact with any of us that has left the city without having the best of times.
Face to face, there are no holds barred, no name withhelding... only the best for the visitor.

That will be exactly the same treatment you'll get when you come up here to Monterrey... First girls I'll point out to you will be Wasted's... and mine too (mine are better than his).





Then, with all due respect, you should seriously re-consider whether the ISG is the right place for you or if you'd rather just get a private yahoo group and chat with your buddies. I like to share info and give my brothas some help and a heads up. The moment I stop caring about the others and feel that I am above it all, that's the moment I'd need to get packing. May I suggest: MySpace/wasted

And what happened to your atonement for your "sins?" ;)

P.S. And don't get me wrong, Mastermind IS an idiot.

[El Cabron 007]

Thank you Carlos. I was fixing to write something similar. I also think the new comers have a blast watching the characters of this dumb idiotic thread hunt.

No, I am not bragging but I get to hear a lot of comments from people we meet from this board. I’ll let Mr. Q and RTW comment if they want to participate in this aimless debate that will win us peace on earth. What the hell am I saying?

Yes, Mil, you said it before many times and I liked your attitude. When you go to Monterrey, you can let yourself loose on the girls I see and I will even give you their names and tell you how to push which buttons.

Don't bother with Carlos' girls, they are big, fat and ugly....

Sorry Carlos.



Mill:
Another thing.
Everyone that comes to Monterrey gets out full attention, our full help.
We might be a little reserved in the public forum, but for those that have the advantage of the PM system that the ISG offers, we go a little further.
I know as a fact that many people have contacted USB and he has gone the extra mile to help them out, giving them clubs, names, locations...
So have I when they contact me.

We also motivate the mongers that come down here to make personal contact.

There has been no monger that has made contact with any of us that has left the city without having the best of times.
Face to face, there are no holds barred, no name withhelding... only the best for the visitor.

That will be exactly the same treatment you'll get when you come up here to Monterrey... First girls I'll point out to you will be Wasted's... and mine too (mine are better than his).

[Mill Just]

Tell me one thing Mill.... I believe you have favoritas down in Morelia.
Real favoritas you favor, that treat you well, far and beyond the regular treatment a regular monger gets.

Would you like this favorita of yours to be groped in front of you by a visitor from out of town that contacted you via the ISG?.
Wouldn't you feel betrayed if this favorita said "yes" to an indescent proposal by said outsider?

I have no problem with sharing my favoritas as you would've known if you could've made it to the festival. There have been a few times when I've set one of my favoritas up with a friend. After all, they are working girls and, besides, with my history with my favoritas, I know that my buddies wouldn't be getting the same quality of service that I would. So...grope away and make all the indecent proposals you like. They are my favorite HOOKERS, they are not my real girlfriends. Bros before Ho's, right?

There is no chica in any mongering atmosphere that can make me feel betrayed. Betrayal is only a betrayal when you have some sort of vested, romantic interest in a particular chica. Again, there is no chica who is exclusively mine or yours...all are fair game. And if I have that special someone who I never wish to share? Well, she never gets mentioned in the ISG because what would be the purpose of mentioning someone and lording her over the other guys' heads when I have no intention to share her great service with others. ?


Mill:
Another thing.
Everyone that comes to Monterrey gets out full attention, our full help.
We might be a little reserved in the public forum, but for those that have the advantage of the PM system that the ISG offers, we go a little further.
I know as a fact that many people have contacted USB and he has gone the extra mile to help them out, giving them clubs, names, locations...
So have I when they contact me.

We also motivate the mongers that come down here to make personal contact.

There has been no monger that has made contact with any of us that has left the city without having the best of times.
Face to face, there are no holds barred, no name withhelding... only the best for the visitor.

But you miss the point...a guy shouldn't HAVE TO meet with you in person in order to get any info. Some guys are lone hunters and don't want to meet up with other guys. Respect that. Not any one person is bigger than the ISG as a whole. It's not fair to set things up in a way that would make guys come crawling to you in order to get some real info. That's where I think the egos get carried away in here. Info should be readily available for all to access. Sometimes assholes access the info, but mostly real cool dudes who want what we want benefit from our info.

I guess my gripe is that you guys act like you ARE the ISG and all must grovel personally at your feet in order to get anything close to specifics. Like my first grade teacher told me many, many years ago, "You can't MAKE the other kids be your friends..."

[El Cabron 007]

You know what? Now that I look back at it, I think IT IS a nice piece of work if I may say so myself.

Mill, I want to make sure you understand me clearly: I consider you one of only a couple of decent men on this board. You are a straight shooter with style. I love to read your posts, like I said before, regardless of the horse manure we have been going through here. I hate horse manure.

I don't know why this thread has come to be control, if I can use this word, by a couple of guys and will not provide information in the manner you are referring to. Maybe, and I am not pointing to anyone, maybe we have a little bit of decency and we find publishing such info is somehow inappropriate.

I too always volunteer my favorites to my friends. I have no issue with that whatsoever. Matter of act, if I go to a club with a friend, if a new girls joins me and I think she’s worth having around, I pass her on to my friend and will wait for the following catch.

You are correct; this is not how things are run around here. But maybe Monterrey and the Monterrey regulars see things differently. I don't know. Am I to face the judge and the jury because I see things differently?

Wasted



Wow! Are you a writer. Print or film? This is great. You should make a movie, or at least some great scenes for one.

So I assume that you rate this girl a 9.9999999999999999999?

[MonterreyDude]

Mill:
I just stated a fact, an intent, not a rule.
Of course there are many that come to Mty and don't make contact at all.
I always watch them from my seat at the clubs.
How do I know some are mongers? Cause they have the give-aways: some are new to town, but some how land at the "special" clubs like the Infinito or the lunch buffets at the 5 star clubs.
And some boast of reading about the clubs to the girls somewhere in the WWW.
I always try to nullify those thoughts as in "The Web??? what the hell is that???... or must be some stupid chat board".

And then there are many that I just don't care how they fare as long as they are not ripped off.

Mill, you are in the "Friends" list... believe it or not, I've been priming the girls for "that gringo from Morelia... he'll come one day".

Mill... have you read, for example, the SA boards? the SEA boards? here at the ISG???? The postings go more or less like this: "I fucked a girl who's name I don't remember.... I fucked Ana (a dime a dozen name at all clubs)... I paid bar fine for excellent fuck Tanya (which would be boasting, cause the rest of the monger either they won't find a girl under that name or the moner is boasting acts that never came to be).... have you checked "other forums" where guys say they "fucked a door girl who's name I don't remember, but she is the one standing 3rd door from the corner"?????
Or the Border Town threads where posters just name a "I found a nice SW that gave me BBBJ... sorry but I don't recall the name".... "I couldn't find Elsa, but I found a cute 18 year old that gave me a BB (no name given)".
Or the Colombia Mansion threads where mongers just mention a great fuck and no names???? or names of girls that are not there when others go looking for them????
Go to the Bogota, Colombia thread... tell me how many names of chicas are mentioned (just 2 on the first page, and vague descriptions, no specifics)... just tell me how much valid information if thrown around for the monger to read beyond the weather report.
The Thai reports: "A beautiful girl aproached me..." "I fucked a nice 18 year old from a bar filled with tons of girls"...
The China mainland reports: "I can't mention the name"... "I met her somewhere"....

And so on.... and so on.

I have read tons of leading and misleading posts everywhere of mongers that just don't care for the name of the girl or just post a "sui generis" name that does not coincied with reallity cause they don't care for the girl... they just care for themselves.
And GOOD FOR THEM!!!
Let them act as they want.

That does not happen here.... we try to help the guys reading this Thread.









I have no problem with sharing my favoritas as you would've known if you could've made it to the festival. There have been a few times when I've set one of my favoritas up with a friend. After all, they are working girls and, besides, with my history with my favoritas, I know that my buddies wouldn't be getting the same quality of service that I would. So...grope away and make all the indecent proposals you like. They are my favorite HOOKERS, they are not my real girlfriends. Bros before Ho's, right?

There is no chica in any mongering atmosphere that can make me feel betrayed. Betrayal is only a betrayal when you have some sort of vested, romantic interest in a particular chica. Again, there is no chica who is exclusively mine or yours...all are fair game. And if I have that special someone who I never wish to share? Well, she never gets mentioned in the ISG because what would be the purpose of mentioning someone and lording her over the other guys' heads when I have no intention to share her great service with others. ?



But you miss the point...a guy shouldn't HAVE TO meet with you in person in order to get any info. Some guys are lone hunters and don't want to meet up with other guys. Respect that. Not any one person is bigger than the ISG as a whole. It's not fair to set things up in a way that would make guys come crawling to you in order to get some real info. That's where I think the egos get carried away in here. Info should be readily available for all to access. Sometimes assholes access the info, but mostly real cool dudes who want what we want benefit from our info.

I guess my gripe is that you guys act like you ARE the ISG and all must grovel personally at your feet in order to get anything close to specifics. Like my first grade teacher told me many, many years ago, "You can't MAKE the other kids be your friends..."

[Member #3453]

You will also read in just as many of those threads in the "worldclass" venues, the numbers of experienced mongers that have almost ALL developed a policy that to post anything, photos, names, descriptions...anything, is to jeapardize their own fun. You know why they have that attitude? It is because they have learned through experience that to do so sabotages their own fun in the long run.

I've even been noticing over the last three years or so, where many formerly prolific writers, pioneers of the hobby in exotic destinations, highly experienced writers, mongers with considerable game and experience, are expressing remorse at having promoted their favorite venues at all, realizing that their very contributions, due primarily to the proliferation of the internet itself, only serves to spoil their little corner of paradise, that their favorite places are being assaulted by such huge numbers of bohemian newbie mongers, conducting themselves with such disregard for those that follow them, that it's akin to the neanderthal hords invading Maui (ie: paradise).

I always knew better than to provide the detail in my reports, because I am literally well aware of the potential abuses, and I know of the warnings given by mongers that are experienced experts in their respective venues. If you check their posts now against their posts several years ago, you'll find that they have all but dropped off the radar screen, usually offering commentary of opinion only, and nothing whatsoever of substance. They have simply been burned too many times. That IS the reality!

I should not even have posted club references or synonyms with respect to any of the girls I've found. Because, literally, there is always one, and usually many more, that will do exactly what has just occurred here. I knew better than to post anything, but I always had the motivation to at least provide decent logistics, and I was always optomistic that perhaps that what has occurred would not occur to me, hoping foolishly against the odds that my personal space would not be invaded.

Yeah, it will never happen to "me", right? But, through incrementally revealing too much information, my fear of the inevitable became reality. So, what's the answer? There is only one alternative in light of the circumstances.

We are supposed to post in great detail, only to have the neaderthal hords invading Monterrey, potentially spoiling girls, and attempting to sabotage us with girls we have individually developed?

Some of us put considerable effort into developing our best girls. For the most part, our use of the "my" girl descriptions are simply terms of endearment, descriptions used between guys that frequent Monterrey together, as a band of brothers. Even the girls themselves have the same perspective. If the girl knows you are her client, or whatever, they are very careful not to upset the balance of the universe by openly fucking all your known associates. If the truth be known, had my "G" girl known that Mastermind was who he was, that I had any link to him whatsoever, she would never had gone with him on salida, at least not openly.

Frankly, there is no up-side to having others influencing what we get from our best girls. If my concerns for posting anything of substance were not well illustrated in theory before, then the stark reality of that truth is vividly obvious to everyone reading about these circumstances at this juncture.

I thought I had found the answer, that to post in synonyms, providing at least logistics, perhaps some detail about the clubs, would suffice, that it would protect my investments sufficienty. But the reality is, to post anything of specicivity only serves to inhibit your success if you monger regularly in a specific destination.

You guys that want to post about your occassional visits to Monterrey, be my guest, those of you that have no vested interest in what you individually develop with respect to quality of performance. But, for my part, because I regularly invest a considerable amount of travel cost to be in the venue to begin with, and because I devote a considerable effort to developing a girl to a point where she delivers exceptional service, GFE, and is even aware of what exceptional service even is, a characterstic that is not really that abundent in Monterrey to begin with, I've concluded that to offer contributions here that serve only to sabotage my efforts is totally counterproductive to me.

Where is the up-side, or more accurately, where are we as the experienced mongers in MTY, offering helpful commentary, protected from such abuses?

Until the protection is forthcoming from the administration of the site, or I can somehow make reference to my experiences without suffering the slings and arrows of disengeuous mongers, I choose to protect my investments by withholding the specicivity of my exploits, and with good reason, reason that has been so vividly demonstrated here most recently.


Mill:
I just stated a fact, an intent, not a rule.
Of course there are many that come to Mty and don't make contact at all.
I always watch them from my seat at the clubs.
How do I know some are mongers? Cause they have the give-aways: some are new to town, but some how land at the "special" clubs like the Infinito or the lunch buffets at the 5 star clubs.
And some boast of reading about the clubs to the girls somewhere in the WWW.
I always try to nullify those thoughts as in "The Web??? what the hell is that???... or must be some stupid chat board".

And then there are many that I just don't care how they fare as long as they are not ripped off.

Mill, you are in the "Friends" list... believe it or not, I've been priming the girls for "that gringo from Morelia... he'll come one day".

Mill... have you read, for example, the SA boards? the SEA boards? here at the ISG???? The postings go more or less like this: "I fucked a girl who's name I don't remember.... I fucked Ana (a dime a dozen name at all clubs)... I paid bar fine for excellent fuck Tanya (which would be boasting, cause the rest of the monger either they won't find a girl under that name or the moner is boasting acts that never came to be).... have you checked "other forums" where guys say they "fucked a door girl who's name I don't remember, but she is the one standing 3rd door from the corner"?????
Or the Border Town threads where posters just name a "I found a nice SW that gave me BBBJ... sorry but I don't recall the name".... "I couldn't find Elsa, but I found a cute 18 year old that gave me a BB (no name given)".
Or the Colombia Mansion threads where mongers just mention a great fuck and no names???? or names of girls that are not there when others go looking for them????
Go to the Bogota, Colombia thread... tell me how many names of chicas are mentioned (just 2 on the first page, and vague descriptions, no specifics)... just tell me how much valid information if thrown around for the monger to read beyond the weather report.
The Thai reports: "A beautiful girl aproached me..." "I fucked a nice 18 year old from a bar filled with tons of girls"...
The China mainland reports: "I can't mention the name"... "I met her somewhere"....

And so on.... and so on.

I have read tons of leading and misleading posts everywhere of mongers that just don't care for the name of the girl or just post a "sui generis" name that does not coincied with reallity cause they don't care for the girl... they just care for themselves.
And GOOD FOR THEM!!!
Let them act as they want.

That does not happen here.... we try to help the guys reading this Thread.

[Member #3453]

It is a wonderful piece of work...I enjoyed it immensely, all the while comparing it with the forum pages of some steamy newstand sex magazine. Very well written, descriptive, titilating, etc...But, I also believe that WastedG would not write such specifics were this girl to have potential in the here and now for him, or were the experience of his salida with her to be in close proximity to present time.

But, I think the point here is...WastedG has never seen Gracia again, and I am not aware of the time line with respect to his report, but I doubt quite seriously that WastedG would post similiar specifics, such as his consideration at posting "X's" photo, and/or specifics regarding girls he has personally developed, such as "X," or other girls that he is currently relying upon to deliver the goods to him in the near term. Why then, for example, post about Gracia, and not specifically about "X?" I think I know why...

Whom, after having developed your best case scenario with your favorite girl, seeks to point hords of mongers toward a girl that you yourself have developed, conditioned, transformed, whatever...only to have her worn out, jaded, abused, and, yes, spoiled, literally by the increased revenue she is likely to experience as a result of your promotion of her to the mongering hords on the internet? That is the root of my justification for choosing not to promote the best of them on the internet. Who wants the mongering hords wearing them out, spoiling them, throwing tons of money at them, etc...

Where does promoting them on the internet serve our individual purpose for maintaining them in their present condition for as long as possible? We are not dealing with machines here, we are dealing with people, girls that can be very easily influenced to change as a result of their particular choice of profession in and of itself, and specifically with respect to their level of business, and the relative effects on their attitudes as it relates to their success in the business. Imagine the inevitable change that comes with the ego boost of their experiencing huge professional success, and the corresponding detrimental effects on their ego and attitude that come as a result of our internet marketing them. Don't you see...I want them poor, not making huge amounts of money because every monger in Texas is driving to MTY to fuck my "G" girl.

Mastermind is a damned fool for promoting a girl he obviously liked very much to the internet, ISG, only to have her performing multiple ass fucking session to hords of appreciative mongers reading the ISG, he enabling her ultimate, and probably accelerated decline. I am a damned fool for having revealed anything about her at all on the internet because this damned fool, Mastermind, has the short sightedness not to see the big picture.

Frankly, the decline is already manifesting itself incrementally. I have commented on this frequently over the past few months. She was not the quality of girl she is now. She has been "developed" incrementally since I first met her in 2005. But, the reality is, she is not the girl now that she was before the boob job. The subtle effects of that change alone have taken a toll on her attitude, her confidence, her cockiness, and her performance, IMHO.

My perspective has always been that I prefer to preserve my best girls, not add to their hastened decline, an ultimate fate that befoils all of them, some at a varying accelerated pace just as a consequence to their professions, much less pointing the humanity of mongerdom at them through their promotion on the internet. Promoting them to the mongering hords by name only serves to hasten the decline of their performance.

And, the big picture regarding the "my" girl thing has some duality of purpose, one that seems to not only be originating between the "band of brothers," but also one that seems to be part of the code of conduct among the girls. We as regulars to MTY are not totally to blame for the "my" girl scenario developing. The girls themselves have a standard code of conduct they seem to engage in with regular customers, and they are usually quite careful to keep seperate, and to at least hide their indiscretions with the friends of their best clients.


You know what? Now that I look back at it, I think IT IS a nice piece of work if I may say so myself.

Mill, I want to make sure you understand me clearly: I consider you one of only a couple of decent men on this board. You are a straight shooter with style. I love to read your posts, like I said before, regardless of the horse manure we have been going through here. I hate horse manure.

I don't know why this thread has come to be control, if I can use this word, by a couple of guys and will not provide information in the manner you are referring to. Maybe, and I am not pointing to anyone, maybe we have a little bit of decency and we find publishing such info is somehow inappropriate.

I too always volunteer my favorites to my friends. I have no issue with that whatsoever. Matter of act, if I go to a club with a friend, if a new girls joins me and I think she’s worth having around, I pass her on to my friend and will wait for the following catch.

You are correct; this is not how things are run around here. But maybe Monterrey and the Monterrey regulars see things differently. I don't know. Am I to face the judge and the jury because I see things differently?

Wasted

[Member #3453]

I think that after what I discovered about unospongebob maybe all of you guys speak in code because you are lying through your teeth. HAHAWhat do you think you discovered about Unospongebob? How can you say that we are lying through our teeth when you meet the very girl I've been reporting about, and verify that I did, indeed, see her often, and for long periods of time, just as I described in my reports. You have confirmed everything I have written about her in my reports.

You are clammering to revisit her because you have even confirmed the reliability of my assessment of her, confirming her "charming" sensibilities, and your preference for them as is evidenced by your wanting to see her as a regular.

Frankly, one pussy feels like another. By repeating, through regular revisits, with the same girl, just as I did, sometimes seeing others for variety, but preferring her company to others, how can you tell us that you don't need your hand held by "some little girl," when that is what she does best, period.

Every other aspect of her sexual ability is duplicable with any other of my regular girls that I find for variety's sake. My "G" girl provides the emotional component that is so often missing from the mechanical sexual gratification that you claim is your only motivator.

Plus, you are taking at face value, and with considerable potential for misunderstanding due to your admitted limited Spanish speaking skills, certain conclusions about her true feelings, probably because you are biased, and wanting to reach certain conclusions, just as has been articulated here by others, that after having only been with her twice. You believe what you want to believe, but with no hard evidence other than, in your own words, the words of a ho.

Plus, just as many have already pointed out, she is playing games with you, and she is saying what she is expected to say in order to perpetuate the GFE, just as she has learned to do. Remember, on my initial salida with her in 2005, she did not display the same range of ability with respect to approach, which has nothing to do with sex, compared to her approach on an emotional charm level today. Just where do you think, over course the last year, she picked up those skills, learning how to play the GFE? I don't know for sure, but if you check the reports, I'll bet there is one on her from me dating back to 2005. And, if I remember correctly, the detail in my report will reveal that she was a good bar fine, but nothing particularly special then.

I have a considerable history with her now, and what I have with her now is not what I had with her six months ago. Keep one thing in mind, by the time you met her initially, the end of October, she had grown angry with me, ending our "arrangement," cutting me off in early October. She became visibly angry and emotional as a result of my having bar fined another girl. If she refers to me as her "Mamon," it is strictly out of my having angered her, making her jealous, she believing that I cast her aside for another, regardless of whether her motivations are that of a ho or a GF. Believe me, they get jealous on a professional level, even if you wish to discount any legitimacy of feeling from her that I might imply in my reports.

Whether I cast her aside as a provider, or as a legitimate GF/ho, has really nothing to do with her anger level, and nothing to do with her being sincere or insincere in her affections, nor has it anything to do with her reactions to me, nor has it anything to do with my feelings for her, whether they be acted out or legitimate.

Either way, she became jaded after learning that I was looking at others, and she cut me off, it had nothing to do with money, and everything to do with emotional anger and ego. There are quite a few witnesses that can verify her reliability with respect to she spending long periods of time with me, skipping work, jeapardizing her job, etc....I mean, I took some flack from mis amigos because I was spending so much time with her, and I was regretably neglecting my time with them for the entire last year.

My reports have been 100% accurate, and frankly, so are the reports of WastedG, who upon arrival in Monterrey, is literally treated by girls, managers, and waiters like a frickin' rock star. The comments made by Carlos on ISG, and his commitment to helping others have a good time, are impecable, as is testimonially varified by huge numbers of visitors to Monterrey both behind the scenes to we regular visitors, an even quite frequently publicly acknowledged here in the forum.

Mastermind says, "I don't need them to stroke my ego, and I definately don't need to brag about what a stud I am on an anonymous message board like you guys do."

All you do is brag about how much of a stud you are...you offer little else but specific details of your specific acts. You can criticize the content of my reports if you like, but you yourself said that my reports were the most helpful to you of any here. Plus, what did you say at the end of your most recent post? And I quote, that she "warmed up to me." That does not sound like the comment made by a guy who says he just wants quality sexual gratification.

When did I ever refer in my reports to my sexual prowess, or even make reference to specific details of the acts in my sessions? Most of what I report has to do with logistics, psychology, club tactics, my own emotional vulnerabilities. Frankly, I can't recall having related anything specific with respect to my actual acts in any of my postings, no names, no specific acts, nothing other than the result of my having received from a ho, a better deal with respect to quality of GFE, time spent, as it relates to cost, the true measure of success.

How can you accuse me of representing myself as "the stud," while simultaneously accusing me of being emotionally gullible and vulnerable? If in fact that were true, it has little to do with being a stud. You concentrate specifically in detailing your sexual prowess and exploits, and you deny your emotional vulnerability while simultaneously desiring to repeat with a girl whose entire approach is to play the emotional angle.

Remember, she did not play the emotional angle prior to our meeting the second time last October, and my patronizing her regularly every month, a week at a time, each day, for a year. Her act is honed to deliver the GFE, and it's a direct result of she having the ability to assess what I, and others who enjoy GFE, like, and her ability to deliver it.

She is exceptional only because of that, the GFE component. You have inadvertently, through your desires to return and do repeats with her, confirmed your own preference for GFE over MP quality, regardless of the price points. That has always been my own philosophy when comparing why I have a preference for GFE versus mechanical, MP style release. And, I have not attacked others for having a preference for mechanical release, but simply articulated why I prefer the GFE level of performance, one that you obviously prefer as well, but are in denial about.

My endeavors and experiences with these girls were from an entirely different perspective than that of playing the stud, the Cabron, the Mamon. You, on the other hand, have morphed into a guy that demonstrates in his writings a desire to represent himself publicly as one thing, the Cabron, the hard assed, cold hearted stud, while simulataneously demonstrating through his acts, and writings, a desire to experience something altogether different, the emotional GFE.

I know what I like, I look for and cultivate what I like, i train girls that have potential, I experience what I like with some degree of consistent success, even in Mexico, which is not common, and I am criticized by you for having reported my brand of mongering experience.

You have confirmed that my reports, specifically my reports about her performance with respect to GFE, are accurate. If I reported what she said to me, or what I felt from her, or if some believe me to be gullible or emotionally vulnerable to her based on my comments here, that has little or nothing to do with one thinking they are a stud or austensibly reporting lies.

This is not about her...this is about your accusation that our contributions here are illegitimate and valueless. You have no right to make that assessment. If you want to disagree with our opinion of our sessions, etc...fine. But, you have no right to belittle our contributions here, especially because they have always been made with decorum and politeness, certainly prior to the vial attacks taking place.

[Whome69]

I didn't intend to create such a ruckus in here with my posts but maybe people are just not used to actually reading info on this thred anymore and they reacted aggresivley. But I do need to clarify some things: You didn't "intend" to creat a ruckus but you have. I wonder about your people skills with this type of response. BTW, handling a girl, hooker, ho, wife, ect, ect, requires PEOPLE skills. I am sorry your posting shows your level.


1) I never showed Galilea the ISG. I showed her selected writings by her gran mamon. Haha. I have nothing against the majority of you, just against the loudmouth know it alls. And when I asked her about Americanos she offered up the names. I didn't pry her for them. And I didn't post them. I just used their initials just like you guys do with the girls. 1 Just asking a question her the qeustion, "Who your American friends are? " is equivalent of asking a Drug Dealer who his other customers are or letting out a fat juicy fart in the middle of Church and saying, "Aw shit, pardon, I thought it was qoing to be a silent one. " It reflects your "street smarts" and level of experience.

2. If you don't like someone's postings, then filter them. Actually, USB has his own board. Just skip the WHOLE board. Instead, you attack him on a very personal level.

3. BTW, adding detail like in your reports, "She called me an Angel", reflects her GFE service. Some people really like this. Do you really think MOST mongers, let alone the regulars on these boards, are that naive?

4. Why even show her the writings at all? Again, it reflects your street smarts and level of experience.


2) My trips reports are real and gritty. I don't love these girls. I don't need then to stroke my ego and I definately don't need to brag about what a stud I am on an anonymous message board like you guys do. I think that after what I discovered about unospongebob maybe all of you guys speak in code because you are lying through your teeth. HAHA 1 That is great. Different approaches/attitutedes are fine (within reason. Knowingly spreading STD's is NOT fine with the attitude, "I BB because they are only hos! ). 2. Your approach/attitude is NOT THE ONLY one. 3. Haven't you been around to know that most "Providers", even the cold fish ones, will have you saying that you will come back for another session? 4. "I definately don't need to brag" So I guess when you wrote, "I was surprised to still have a decent load in me to blow after having squirted twice before. ". Was a report on her? 99% of the World would consider this bragging.


3) I will continue to post TRIP REPORTS using names and any specifics possible. And if you don't like it, too fricking bad. Jackson is the boss here and not you. Great. Just leave out the personal attacks. I don't even care if you brag, fantasize, drool, whatever.

The post on the G girl would have been fine if you left out the connection to USB. You could have had the same reaction with USB without involving us. It doesn't bother me that you tracked her down. This is the risk of posting to the board. But you did something more when you posted the connection. If you didn't post the connection, he WOULD have known that you were with her. And in fact, you could have put in more detail and "twisted the knife" in USB and no one would have known except USB. Isn't that the "right" way to screw with someone in this format?


So there, nothing will change. You will keep posting your middle aged fake fantasies about hookers loving you and I will keep posting the realities. I don't care about none of you guys who try to attack me everytime I post just because I have different likes than you. Maybe that's why a city of 4 million with thousands of mongers only produces three chumps who post. Nobody wants to deal with you guys. But I will continue to be here posting anything of value that I like.

My next trip is confirmed for the end of November, so unospongebob, get our "G" Girl, Galilea warmed up for me. 1. How do you know they are fantasies?

2. If they are fantasies, why do they bother you so much? Perhaps you need professional help with these issues?

3. And even if they are fantasies, so what? Be sure to tell all of the Strip Clubs and other Sex Oriented businesses in the USA and the World this!

4. Again, I challenge your street smarts. Science doesn't understand how we fall in love with someone. For all we know, the next girl you are with, you will fall in love with. Or at least secretly fall in love with them which is a worse experience or least a heavy infactuation. Don't even try to defend yourself with, "That is impossible! I am happily married, I just want to fuck them and forget them! "

5. Do you know the number of people who read these "three chumps"?

6. Have a good time with G, since you appear to be a regular customer for her.

BTW, since you have made a number of "non-friends" on this Board, you really can't introduce yourself to the regulars on this Board in Mty, can you? I would rather have friends in Mty than enemies! I bet their best knowledge never makes it these Boards. But you will never know!

[El Apodo]

I don't need then to stroke my ego and I definately don't need to brag about what a stud I am on an anonymous message board like you guys do. And yet you do exactly the same thing, how brave.

Thank you for your report. However, you richly deserve all the criticism that is being heaped on you. You have violated one of the basic tenets of boards like this by even MENTIONING the internet. Your failure to own up to committing this most grievous error leads me to believe that you are simply here to stir up crap. Congratulations, you have succeeded.

Have a great day.

EA

[The Studd]

Hello all,

I'm actually living here in Monterrey and loving it as one of the few asians in the city. I will give you a run down of the things I did during the last couple of days.

I now stay full time at the Hotel Moreno on Reforma street in downtown (200 pesos per night and chica friendly. I recommend because it is cheap and very clean.)

I was going to visit the famous Infinito mentioned on this message board, but I heard some very disturbing news from a taxista friend. He said that 3 of the girls from Infinto had been suspended recently for having genital herpes and they were doing bareback! The gossip was confirmed by another friend who frequents the clubs and now refuses to go to Infinito because of the creepy crawlies. If you must go here, double bag it, but I wouldn't risk it for myself.

Instead, I went to the Ambassador club on Madero street# 419. There were 17 women (I counted) there and most were 8-10's. I chose one bottle blonde named Paty and had FS for a total of 500 pesos with privados included. Paty is a short girl with fake boobs. She was ok but nothing to brag about.

I also went back to Club Varron around the corner from the Ambassador on Zaragoza street. I got a BJ from a skinny girl named paola. Good BJ with good foreplay for 400 pesos total. I later stopped to eat at Pakos Takos on Madero and had 5 delicious steak tacos.

Next I went to strip club called La Dama on Colon street. In this club there are many foreign ladies working there and I took one out for a salida at a total of 1500 pesos for 2 hours. Her name was Bridgette from the Ukraine and she did very good service. I recommend her. She is a tall blonde.

I also went to a small club called Sexy Girls on Santiago Tapia street, a little far way from downtown, but the club was good. There were only about 10 girls there but they were cute. I took a morena named Xiomara back to my hotel for a price of 1350 for 1.5 hours. She was very nice and let me dine at the Y, but she smelled funny and I cut it short.

I also decided to visit 2 MPs in the last week. I visited Mamacita's on Madero (#124) and Hot on Juarez (#444). The best in selection was Mamacita's because they had 10 girls on site and half were very cute. Prices were about the same 150 pesos for 30 mins or 300 for 1 hour of FS or similar.

I hope this is what you guys are looking for in here. I have 3 months living here now and boy am I happy. Beautiful chicas everyday and beautiful weather! Viva Mexico!!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Precocious One]

I went to misses last Friday around 3 pm, the selection of the girls has going down from 9's and 10's in my last visit to 5's and 6's and just one girl that was actualy worth the $$. I got 1/2 and BBBJ still and awsome service with multiple pops (Thanks to the blue helper).

The only bad side is that with only one pretty girl you may come dissapointed if this is your first trip.Went to Misses on Monday since my regular at BadGirls was busy. Ten girls working of which two were 10's and seven were 7 and 8's. The last one was a 5 or 6. Grabbed one of the 10's for 2100 pesos and two pops. No BBBJ but was receptive to giving tongue action on cock and balls. A fun time but would not repeat. More of fun sex than porn star sex which I will get into later. Incidentally, the two 10's were hotter than any girl I have seen at the low-end and mid-range clubs. Well, then again, there is Wasted's "X" girl that is arguably as hot but none other that I have ever seen in my five months living here. I believe the other girls are cheaper but I did not inquire about pricing. Excellent facility and the two guys running the show were very hospitable. Also, when here mongering, inform your credit card company that you will be using your card here in MX. Mine was cut off with no notice for preventive fruad issues and it was very embarrasing.

I am going to agree with a recent post by MillJust regarding his "epiphany" regarding MP's. I have recently have had the best sex ever pro or non-pro with a MP girl.

Bad Girls is on Cuahatemoc street just north of calle Cinco de Mayo. I have previously been to this establishment two other times receiving service once.
I have since re-visited five more times requesting the services of Paris. Paris is a strong seven if not eight and total porn-star material. She is 21 years old with one child. She claims to be a student and speaks limited english. 450 pesos for one hour and 450 pesos tip and you are in. Now, my first experience with her the topic of money never came up for her extra services other than the entrance fee. She proceeded to intitiate at 10 minute back massage before exploring every crack and crevice and nook and cranny of my body with her sensual and erotic tongue. Back, neck, ears, hand, fingers, leg, foot, toes and rim. About ten minutes worth. Her tongue could not get enough. On the flip, she went right to work. A deep-throat BBBJ engulfing my rod with a fevor I have never experienced in my life. She was working so hard, I had to tell her to calm down (despachio). Now, I love a good ball-licking while I simlutaneoulsy stroke my rod but she would have none of that. She held my dick-stroking hand down while caressing my balls with her free hand while continuing to suck like a Hoover. After she was sufficiently satisifed with her cock-sucking session, she then stood up on the floor, lifted one leg on the bed, and exposed her now dripping snatch. After about ten minutes of me kissing her breasts while she serviced herself I laid back down to pleasure myself while watching this porn star continue to insert fingers in her pussy and put her cum into her mouth. All the while talking dirty to me. Fuc_ing porn star. Then without any notice...she squirted. That's it. I could not hold on any longer. I told her that I wanted to cum and she immediately got down on her knees without asking and demanded for me to shoot my loaded AK-47 in her mouth. And shoot I did. No less than six or seven bullets into her beautiful mouth, face and hair. She then rubbed my recently-deposited cum with both her hands onto her face, neck and mouth. After there was no more cum left for her to consume and play with, she again proceeded to suck off my still engulfed, blood-gorged and rock hard cock. Again, total porn-star material. And, I never ever had to ask for any of these extra services or the associated costs involved. It was almost like she wanted it.

Now, I have seen this girl an additional four more times and she is a nice girl in addition to being porn star material. Her pussy is always wet and she will even shower you off when done and request a kiss on the cheek when you are leaving. I even had to ask directions once for a location I was going to when I was done and this girl drew me a map with a ruler!! No free hand!!

Of the 150+ MP visits I have had in my life, her sessions have been the best without a doubt.

Paris at BadGirls. A true living Monterrey Porn Star experience.

[Amoroso]

Hello Folks,

I wondered if anyone could offer advice on best route to Monterrey from San Francisco? I've done sfo-Houston-Mtry, but I'm thinking there must be a better way?

Cheers

[MonterreyDude]

Amoroso, back in the 90's I did some traveling from Monterrey to the Frisco area and yes, seems the choices are very limited: either Houston or Dallas and that's about it.

Of course you might opt flying into Los Angeles and flying direct Lax-Mty via Aviacsa.





Hello Folks,

I wondered if anyone could offer advice on best route to Monterrey from San Francisco? I've done sfo-Houston-Mtry, but I'm thinking there must be a better way?

Cheers

[Strike 69]

I skipped this link in my previous report

http://www.escortsmonterrey.net/home.php

Looks like the owner of modelos Monterrey got hot new girls and created a new site with high quality pics.......

If anyone knows how can I add this info in my report in the section of "reports of distinction" please let me know..... it would be another option to escort mongers in Mty.

[MonterreyDude]

Before you decide to add the link to your post... the main reason you see new girls is that the site has always had an enormous volume of rotation of girls.
By the time you come back, am sure at least 3 of the girls will be gone.

And it's also as expensive as Misses.

by the way, add these to your list:

http://www.passion.com.mx/

http://www.goldengirls.com.mx

http://www.lucesazules.com/





I skipped this link in my previous report

http://www.escortsmonterrey.net/home.php

Looks like the owner of modelos Monterrey got hot new girls and created a new site with high quality pics.......

If anyone knows how can I add this info in my report in the section of "reports of distinction" please let me know..... it would be another option to escort mongers in Mty.

[Zoom 21]

Before you decide to add the link to your post... the main reason you see new girls is that the site has always had an enormous volume of rotation of girls.
By the time you come back, am sure at least 3 of the girls will be gone.

And it's also as expensive as Misses.

by the way, add these to your list:

http://www.passion.com.mx/

http://www.goldengirls.com.mx

http://www.lucesazules.com/I went to Luces Azules about 3 months ago, they have an apartment by Fidel Velazquez and Rodrigo Gomez in the north west of the city, the girls were really ugly and fat, the others 2 sites I will check passion this weekend.

[Strike 69]

Before you decide to add the link to your post... the main reason you see new girls is that the site has always had an enormous volume of rotation of girls.
By the time you come back, am sure at least 3 of the girls will be gone.

And it's also as expensive as Misses.

by the way, add these to your list:

http://www.passion.com.mx/

http://www.goldengirls.com.mx

http://www.lucesazules.com/

The last 3 links are already in the list..... I would like to add the link of escorts Monterrey but I don't know how if anyone knows the procedure please say it to me..........

I'm planing a visit to the infamous "Obsession" any tip or recomendation regarding full service with club girls there is welcome the only thing I know so far is that the club is expensive....how much money do I need in order to have a good session there? Any info regarding "salidas" ??? I'm a completely newcomer in that area so please don't skip any advice no matter how obvious it can be.

[Krypto]

If you want to spend a good time for a small amount of money monterrey is the place to be I've read most of the posts on monterrey and believe me everyone seems to be paying way to much for sex I live in monterrey I was born here and if you want to fuck a girl it should only cost you around 16 dollars or 160 peseos for a 30 minute session that includes sucking and fucking and two sexual positions a session always and I stress alway make the girl commit to a full 30 minute session by showing her the time on your watch that way you also know how much time you have left before you try to cum 16 dollars will get you far and girls at this price rate I would say are 6 1/2 out of ten but some very beautifull ladies do appear from time to time for 600 to 700 pesos you can fuck a girl that looks 9 out of ten for a full hour for 1800 to 2000 pesos you can fuck a girl all night take her home even also for 2000 pesos at a strip club called amnesias you can take a girl to your place for 2000 pesos for one hour but not just any girl these girls will probably be the best looking girls you will ever dream to fuck better than playboy and if your lazy like me you can just buy a copy of the local news paper called el sol in the last two pages you will find call out girls that will go to you for 300 pesos around 30 dollars for 30 minutes of sucking and fucking. And if you live closer to the border reynosa boystown is the place to go since it is a tolerance zone you pay 30 pesos roughly 3 dollars at the entrance to some municipal cops and inside this place you will find little houses abot 90 of them like a small town with the doors wide open with the girls standing selling themselves they will judge you by the way you look and adjust their prive to such inferences they will tell you 150 pesos or more at first you should respond I'll give you ten dollars no more or 100 pesos if they say no move on to the next one if they say no for 10 keep on going eventually they will see that you were able to bag one of these chicks for ten and like magic now that they have seen that they will fuck you for ten dollars make sure they know you are a regular and not a dumb ass it doesent mater if you're a gringo buck up people save your money as you can fly round trip to Cancun for 2000 pesos and take another 1500 to 2000 for a two to three day stay of your life time these airline tickets are available at aerobus.com. Mx.

[MonterreyDude]

Obsession is not infamous... Infinito is "infamous", Obsession is a run of the mill 5 star strip club like the ones you can find in the USA... as in EX-PEN-SIVE in the sense that a good time will cost you as low as 100 dlls (as in having a good company with a girl, drinks).
And planning a privado dance will start at 60 dlls for 9 minutes of nothing.
For a full service, think 350 dlls: 200 dlls for a 1/2 hour Vip room, 100 dlls for the girl and 50 dlls for drinks tips and extras....
... and look out for the Jacuzzi room going for 400 dlls for 45 minutes plus what the girl asks for as extra... plus drinks, plus more drinks.
I have seen guys pay 35 THOUSAND dollars for a 24 hour session in a jacuzzi room at brother club Prestige.

in other words: EXPENSIVE.

.... and NO salidas here.

Be also on the look out for the girls that will only have 850 peso pitcher drinks, girls that will double team you for double size drinks (200 pesos each)....

Want to go to the Obsession and big brother flagship Prestige? Yes, you'll find beautiful girls there, but carry a big wallet with a lot of money in it.

The afternoon shift at both clubs is another story.
Softer in the sense that one as a customer is not hurried. You have a decent lunch buffet at the Obsession and a really good one at the PRestige.
Prestige in the afternoon shift is still expensive, Obsession is a little cheaper with drinks around 7 dlls. for the girls.... having fun at this prices means like 80 dlls more or less and that is just having a girl with you, no dances, no privados.

PS: Strike, please point me out to your post # where your list is.. I must have given you those links cause they are not advertised anywhere.... that way I will not repeat links...




The last 3 links are already in the list..... I would like to add the link of escorts Monterrey but I don't know how if anyone knows the procedure please say it to me..........

I'm planing a visit to the infamous "Obsession" any tip or recomendation regarding full service with club girls there is welcome the only thing I know so far is that the club is expensive....how much money do I need in order to have a good session there? Any info regarding "salidas" ??? I'm a completely newcomer in that area so please don't skip any advice no matter how obvious it can be.

[Bbond]

If you want to spend a good time for a small amount of money monterrey is the place to be I've read most of the posts on monterrey and believe me everyone seems to be paying way to much for sex I live in monterrey I was born here and if you want to fuck a girl it should only cost you around 16 dollars or 160 peseos for a 30 minute session that includes sucking and fucking and two sexual positions a session always and I stress alway make the girl commit to a full 30 minute session by showing her the time on your watch that way you also know how much time you have left before you try to cum 16 dollars will get you far and girls at this price rate I would say are 6 1/2 out of ten but some very beautifull ladies do appear from time to time for 600 to 700 pesos you can fuck a girl that looks 9 out of ten for a full hour for 1800 to 2000 pesos you can fuck a girl all night take her home even also for 2000 pesos at a strip club called amnesias you can take a girl to your place for 2000 pesos for one hour but not just any girl these girls will probably be the best looking girls you will ever dream to fuck better than playboy and if your lazy like me you can just buy a copy of the local news paper called el sol in the last two pages you will find call out girls that will go to you for 300 pesos around 30 dollars for 30 minutes of sucking and fucking. And if you live closer to the border reynosa boystown is the place to go since it is a tolerance zone you pay 30 pesos roughly 3 dollars at the entrance to some municipal cops and inside this place you will find little houses abot 90 of them like a small town with the doors wide open with the girls standing selling themselves they will judge you by the way you look and adjust their prive to such inferences they will tell you 150 pesos or more at first you should respond I'll give you ten dollars no more or 100 pesos if they say no move on to the next one if they say no for 10 keep on going eventually they will see that you were able to bag one of these chicks for ten and like magic now that they have seen that they will fuck you for ten dollars make sure they know you are a regular and not a dumb ass it doesent mater if you're a gringo buck up people save your money as you can fly round trip to Cancun for 2000 pesos and take another 1500 to 2000 for a two to three day stay of your life time these airline tickets are available at aerobus.com. Mx.


One of the longest sentences I have ever read.

It is commonly known, if you read Reynosa forum, door girls, for the most part, start at $10 or 100 pesos. Add $10 for oral, add $10 for full nude. Negotiate for 1/2 or full hour.
Monterrey has it's version of door or street girls too, but you won't find them discussed much here.

[MonterreyDude]

BB... one thing are the NLBT and RBT door girls and another thing are the local hotel girls....
I may have reservations with door girls operating at the border zonas, but they are heaven compared to the ones we have here.
Even less if we are talking about the Coyotera door girls....

World famous Porker did his share of checking them out and posted his review long time ago, here and elsewhere (more elsewhere than here). Personaly told me he prefers the ones in NLBT and TJ. Said he had no "fun" with the local ones.
We both shared the feeling that they didn't care for the "gringo".

Anyway, any monger that comes down here and asks for their location in a map, gets it.

PS: You are right BB. Longest sentence I've ever read too. I remember when those posts were held, corrected and the poster singled out by the Administrators, so they wouldn't write that way...........




One of the longest sentences I have ever read.

It is commonly known, if you read Reynosa forum, door girls, for the most part, start at $10 or 100 pesos. Add $10 for oral, add $10 for full nude. Negotiate for 1/2 or full hour.
Monterrey has it's version of door or street girls too, but you won't find them discussed much here.

[El Cabron 007]

So where the hell am I supposed to post my last trip report and upload the pictures and videos and explain how I went down with 24 condoms but have only 8 left? If MJ comments and I reply back, will his response or my reply go to his thread or stay here?

I am so confused.

no wait, I am Wasted.

[Rodeo9112]

Where's the best city to go to for 4-5 days and get the most bang for the buck? Looking to stay away from border towns, moreso looking for well known or Medium sized cities with a degree (even small) of English speakers. Definitely looking for the hottest looking women, even if the price is a little higher. Please post replies or PM me as I'm looking to set up a trip for March or April.

Thanks!

Rodeo

[Strike 69]

Obsession is not infamous... Infinito is "infamous", Obsession is a run of the mill 5 star strip club like the ones you can find in the USA... as in EX-PEN-SIVE in the sense that a good time will cost you as low as 100 dlls (as in having a good company with a girl, drinks).
And planning a privado dance will start at 60 dlls for 9 minutes of nothing.
For a full service, think 350 dlls: 200 dlls for a 1/2 hour Vip room, 100 dlls for the girl and 50 dlls for drinks tips and extras....
... and look out for the Jacuzzi room going for 400 dlls for 45 minutes plus what the girl asks for as extra... plus drinks, plus more drinks.
I have seen guys pay 35 THOUSAND dollars for a 24 hour session in a jacuzzi room at brother club Prestige.

in other words: EXPENSIVE.

.... and NO salidas here.

Be also on the look out for the girls that will only have 850 peso pitcher drinks, girls that will double team you for double size drinks (200 pesos each)....

Want to go to the Obsession and big brother flagship Prestige? Yes, you'll find beautiful girls there, but carry a big wallet with a lot of money in it.

The afternoon shift at both clubs is another story.
Softer in the sense that one as a customer is not hurried. You have a decent lunch buffet at the Obsession and a really good one at the PRestige.
Prestige in the afternoon shift is still expensive, Obsession is a little cheaper with drinks around 7 dlls. for the girls.... having fun at this prices means like 80 dlls more or less and that is just having a girl with you, no dances, no privados.

PS: Strike, please point me out to your post # where your list is.. I must have given you those links cause they are not advertised anywhere.... that way I will not repeat links...


Here's the link of my previous report I want to add a new link (escortsmonterrey.net) but I do not how there's no "edit" boutton anymore.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=660830&postcount=230

Somebody told that that not all the strip clubs in Mty give the option of full service?? It is that true?? So far the Infinito and Obsession are confirmed I guess, how about the Amnesia, Poisson and Metropolis???

And regarding "salidas" the Infinito is the only one which offers that option? How much it cost? and how many hours the girl can stay??? I think it cost 300 pesos / 30 dls per fuck inside the club.

As I said before I don't know much about strip clubs here that's why I ask a lot of stuff that is probably obvious to other mongers so please don't skip any advice no matter how obvious it can be.

The VIP Room in the Obsession is only rent for 1/2 hour at 200 dlls??? So in order to get a good session (fuck) in this club how much money should I carry with me?? How about the girls?? Are they solid 9 and 10's ??? How about if I don't drink that much and only want to there full a good "faje" and maybe a good full service??? It is neccesary to buy drinks like a drunk sailor?? or can I buy drinks only for the girls without any problem???

[MonterreyDude]

All strip clubs offer full service, but all the top ones will cost you a lot... like I said before: EX-PEN-SIVE.

If you want to go to Amnesia and Premiere, be my guest.
FS will at least cost you 4000 pesos here and at Premiere, probably more.
BUT and I repeat, BUT, the night shift at these places offers the only 9's and 10's of the city and I am not kidding.

Poisson will be the next notch down the scale. Not so expensive to call it cheap, but FS will be at this club... around 2000 pesos.

Obsession VIP room... carry 1000 pesos. Plus the girls will ask for a bottle of cheap Boone's wine to get along and no need for more drinks....




Here's the link of my previous report I want to add a new link (escortsmonterrey.net) but I do not how there's no "edit" boutton anymore.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=660830&postcount=230

Somebody told that that not all the strip clubs in Mty give the option of full service?? It is that true?? So far the Infinito and Obsession are confirmed I guess, how about the Amnesia, Poisson and Metropolis???

And regarding "salidas" the Infinito is the only one which offers that option? How much it cost? and how many hours the girl can stay??? I think it cost 300 pesos / 30 dls per fuck inside the club.

As I said before I don't know much about strip clubs here that's why I ask a lot of stuff that is probably obvious to other mongers so please don't skip any advice no matter how obvious it can be.

The VIP Room in the Obsession is only rent for 1/2 hour at 200 dlls??? So in order to get a good session (fuck) in this club how much money should I carry with me?? How about the girls?? Are they solid 9 and 10's ??? How about if I don't drink that much and only want to there full a good "faje" and maybe a good full service??? It is neccesary to buy drinks like a drunk sailor?? or can I buy drinks only for the girls without any problem???

[MonterreyDude]

Rodeo... Monterrey will suit you fine, but it is nothing compare to what you can do price wise at Colombia or Costa Rica.
Check my posts to Strike so you can get an idea of prices here in Mty.




Where's the best city to go to for 4-5 days and get the most bang for the buck? Looking to stay away from border towns, moreso looking for well known or Medium sized cities with a degree (even small) of English speakers. Definitely looking for the hottest looking women, even if the price is a little higher. Please post replies or PM me as I'm looking to set up a trip for March or April.

Thanks!

Rodeo

[Strike 69]

All strip clubs offer full service, but all the top ones will cost you a lot... like I said before: EX-PEN-SIVE.

If you want to go to Amnesia and Premiere, be my guest.
FS will at least cost you 4000 pesos here and at Premiere, probably more.
BUT and I repeat, BUT, the night shift at these places offers the only 9's and 10's of the city and I am not kidding.

Poisson will be the next notch down the scale. Not so expensive to call it cheap, but FS will be at this club... around 2000 pesos.

Obsession VIP room... carry 1000 pesos. Plus the girls will ask for a bottle of cheap Boone's wine to get along and no need for more drinks....

Thanks. I would like to know at which hour starts the night shift in these places?? Full service I suspect is offer inside the club and salidas are forbidden am I right? So I must go there with a budget no less from 5 000 -10 000 pesos in order to have a good session (fuck) with a solid 9 or 10 girl?
How about the buffetes in the Obsession and Prestige? Can anyone go there to have a lunch?

[MonterreyDude]

Answering your questions:

1. 10:00 PM

2. Not forbidden... just plain no salidas.

3. 5-10,000 pesos at the Amnesia or Premiere. 7,500 at the Obsession or Prestige.

4. Of course anyone can go there and have lunch. Lunch buffet starts at 1:30 pM




Thanks. I would like to know at which hour starts the night shift in these places?? Full service I suspect is offer inside the club and salidas are forbidden am I right? So I must go there with a budget no less from 5 000 -10 000 pesos in order to have a good session (fuck) with a solid 9 or 10 girl?
How about the buffetes in the Obsession and Prestige? Can anyone go there to have a lunch?

[Strike 69]

Answering your questions:

1. 10:00 PM

2. Not forbidden... just plain no salidas.

3. 5-10,000 pesos at the Amnesia or Premiere. 7,500 at the Obsession or Prestige.

4. Of course anyone can go there and have lunch. Lunch buffet starts at 1:30 pM

Thanks again amigomio ..

http://www.prestige.com.mx/

I saw in the website of the Prestige that I can make a reservation through internet that means that I can only go there (or any other high end club) with a reservation before hand?? or can I go there without a reservation?. If I print the "pases" available in the website are they valid at the entrance of the club? Also transportation from the hotel to the club is offer, that means that can I call from my hotel and they will take me to the club and back to my hotel even if I go there alone??

The ticket from internet that says: 4 private lapdances plus one bottle of boons dama for 2732 pesos includes also full service or not?? Other says no cover plus buffet plus one private lap dance for 150 pesos ... should I show those tickets at the entrance and also to the girls?? In the prestige site there are a lots of adds showing blonde women... can I found some natural blondes there?

In the high end clubs can I touch the girls while they are on the dance floor or sitted next to me?? You know a good "faje" and also some touching in the lapdances (and maybe some tit sucking) is that allowed or not?? Or only the girls can touch me and I cannot touch them?

Which one has better girls (and buffette) the Obsession or the Prestige?

Sorry to keep asking so many questions but as I said before I'm a newcomer regarding strip clubs here.

[Anonymous]

Good Hunting Fellows,

This is my first report here but happy to say that its not my first visit to Monterrey, the mongering capital of Latin America (until you get to Argentina, anyway)

I spent a solid 8 days in Monterrey and I have just a few things to add to the wealth of information previously posted here:

1) Matehuela (sp?) really went down in quality from last time I was here. Many skanks and gorditas this time and all the hot chicas seemed to migrate to El Infinito and Cielo (the other strip clubs with a decent price)

2) The high end clubs like Amnesia are now flaunting prices similar to what you'd find in Guadalajara and Mexico DF. Chicas are very beautiful but why would you come to Mexico to pay American prices?

3) Of the MPs visited on this trip, the best still seems to be Signore. There were some cute chicas there on this trip and for the price (30 US for FS and an afternoon special of 16 US), how could you complain?

4) Hotel girls off a big, congested street (can't remember the name of the street) look to be completely undoable. The decent-looking ones look strung out and/or dirty and the sane ones are very ugly.

5) Monterrey is still a very expensive city compared to the other Mexican locals. What you save from mongering will go into the cost of living. So, I guess, this is the Universe's way of making things balance out.

Sorry I was a lurker for so long, but I honestly felt that there was nothing I could contribute without actually making a trip to Monterrey. Now I'm here and I will be making many more trip reports with more details. Special thanks to my special buddy in here who indirectly encouraged me to open up my soul to the International Sex Guide.

Happy Trails

[MonterreyDude]

Strike, it is not necesary to reserve.
Trust me. There will always be a place for you.
Yes, the passes are valid... some have a time window. I must be honest, I don't know if the one you mention is valid on the night shift.
It will take me a couple of days to check it out... I won't be at Prestige till next week.
But by all means print the tickets you think you'll need, though only one can be used at a time. You only show it at the entrance, don't worry about the girls, tell the waiter that's running the tab that you have a promotion.
No full service on the "4dances" cupon.

No naturlar blones Strike... sorry about that. Natural blondes can only be found as civilians living at the upper class Colonia del Valle district.

Transportation: yes, they offer transportation, but I have never used it.

No touching on stage, some touching is allowed while the girl sits with you, some full contact allowed during regular dances, depending on the girl, but no "fajes" here.... again, depends on the girl.

Better girls, Obsession, better lunch buffet, Prestige.. though the girls are nice and gets better on the night shift.

And please... keep asking your questions.



Thanks again amigomio ..

http://www.prestige.com.mx/

I saw in the website of the Prestige that I can make a reservation through internet that means that I can only go there (or any other high end club) with a reservation before hand?? or can I go there without a reservation?. If I print the "pases" available in the website are they valid at the entrance of the club? Also transportation from the hotel to the club is offer, that means that can I call from my hotel and they will take me to the club and back to my hotel even if I go there alone??

The ticket from internet that says: 4 private lapdances plus one bottle of boons dama for 2732 pesos includes also full service or not?? Other says no cover plus buffet plus one private lap dance for 150 pesos ... should I show those tickets at the entrance and also to the girls?? In the prestige site there are a lots of adds showing blonde women... can I found some natural blondes there?

In the high end clubs can I touch the girls while they are on the dance floor or sitted next to me?? You know a good "faje" and also some touching in the lapdances (and maybe some tit sucking) is that allowed or not?? Or only the girls can touch me and I cannot touch them?

Which one has better girls (and buffette) the Obsession or the Prestige?

Sorry to keep asking so many questions but as I said before I'm a newcomer regarding strip clubs here.

[Strike 69]

Strike, it is not necesary to reserve.


No naturlar blones Strike... sorry about that. Natural blondes can only be found as civilians living at the upper class Colonia del Valle district.

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I thank you again for your answers, regarding natural blondes I saw a bunch of them in some private colleges here I thought they were foreigners but no, they all were Mexicanas looks like there's some blonde supply here in the uppers classes but is not available in the local sex market which is too bad. There's at least one table dance (or MP) here where can I found at least a couple of natural blondes just for fun? Not even in the Amnesia?

In the Amnesia is the same that the Prestige regarding touching policies or more touching is allowed? By "faje" I mean everything except Full Service (you know when you have a girl sitted next to you, and you wanna kiss and touch every inch of her body). In the Infinito fajes are allowed? Everybody seems to recommend me to spend money in the infamous Infinito instead of the high end clubs? More touching is allowed in the infinito, can I touch girls in the stage there? The night shif has better girls also there? It starts also at 10 pm? What amount of budget should I carry in the Infinito in order to have a good session with full services? Salidas there are Ok isn't it? How much time can the girl be with me?? Full service I think is 300 pesos and lap dances 50 pesos ... how about drinks for the girls?? It is safe to go there alone or it is better to go in group?

Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.

[MonterreyDude]

First of all, let me tell you I checked the transportation stuff on Obsession and Prestige.
You only need to call to get it. Trouble is that only the hostess at the afternoon shift of the Obsession speaks English.
But they will get you from the hotel and back again.

Sorry about the blondes but I must keep answering "no"... let me check on that again next week.

Fajes: no fajes on the night shifts of any 5 star club. The rest of the clubs are a different story and I mean it. But have in mind that it depends on the girl too.

Infinito: yes, you can touch the girls on stage. For a salida, the bar fine is 350 pesos and the girls generally charge 1000 pesos, but their might be instances where the night shift girls might charge 1500 pesos. All this for 1hour-1.5 hours. Again, depends on the girl. And yes, your prices are correct, 300 for a FS plus 50 pesos per 4 minute dance and the girl dirnks are 50 pesos, but many just sit for one drink ask for a privado and if you don't want one, they will just up and leave.







I thank you again for your answers, regarding natural blondes I saw a bunch of them in some private colleges here I thought they were foreigners but no, they all were Mexicanas looks like there's some blonde supply here in the uppers classes but is not available in the local sex market which is too bad. There's at least one table dance (or MP) here where can I found at least a couple of natural blondes just for fun? Not even in the Amnesia?

In the Amnesia is the same that the Prestige regarding touching policies or more touching is allowed? By "faje" I mean everything except Full Service (you know when you have a girl sitted next to you, and you wanna kiss and touch every inch of her body). In the Infinito fajes are allowed? Everybody seems to recommend me to spend money in the infamous Infinito instead of the high end clubs? More touching is allowed in the infinito, can I touch girls in the stage there? The night shif has better girls also there? It starts also at 10 pm? What amount of budget should I carry in the Infinito in order to have a good session with full services? Salidas there are Ok isn't it? How much time can the girl be with me?? Full service I think is 300 pesos and lap dances 50 pesos ... how about drinks for the girls?? It is safe to go there alone or it is better to go in group?

Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.

[Precocious One]

I thank you again for your answers, regarding natural blondes I saw a bunch of them in some private colleges here I thought they were foreigners but no, they all were Mexicanas looks like there's some blonde supply here in the uppers classes but is not available in the local sex market which is too bad. There's at least one table dance (or MP) here where can I found at least a couple of natural blondes just for fun? Not even in the Amnesia?

In the Amnesia is the same that the Prestige regarding touching policies or more touching is allowed? By "faje" I mean everything except Full Service (you know when you have a girl sitted next to you, and you wanna kiss and touch every inch of her body). In the Infinito fajes are allowed? Everybody seems to recommend me to spend money in the infamous Infinito instead of the high end clubs? More touching is allowed in the infinito, can I touch girls in the stage there? The night shif has better girls also there? It starts also at 10 pm? What amount of budget should I carry in the Infinito in order to have a good session with full services? Salidas there are Ok isn't it? How much time can the girl be with me?? Full service I think is 300 pesos and lap dances 50 pesos ... how about drinks for the girls?? It is safe to go there alone or it is better to go in group?

Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.Strike 69,

I did a bleached-blonde(only one that works there) at Misses for 2100 pesos for one hour. Don't remember her name, but she was an absolute ten. Also, she stated that the girls basically split the fee with the house on a 50/50 basis. Other girls were cheaper but this girl was perfect. 5'2", 100 pounds, size 1, seductive tan lines, real b-cups, no c-section, scars or tattos and a fun attitude. She stated that she was available for outside dating and I am sure if she liked you a better value could be had (2000 pesos for 2-3 hours was implied). Anyway, I recommend Misses to any monger although it is expensive. It is a first-class MP in a safe and comfortable neighborhood very close to the clubs.

As for true blondes, they are available in the Colonial del Valle and Valle Montana section on a non-pro basis. They appear to be of European descent. The majority of these women are very, very wealthy. Comparable in net worth to Redondo Beach, CA and Manhattan Beach, CA, respectively. There are two bars next to each other within the Sanborne shopping center in the Colonia Del Valle sector if you want to try your luck, and scoring one of these rich girls will land you in the Monterrey Mongering Hall of Fame. However, it can be done. A bar owner in San Pedro that I patronize told me of an American "runner" (US criminal problems) that landed one of these Colonial del Valle women. I wanted to meet this guy and hear his story, but he apparantly ended up running somewhere else.

[Strike 69]

First of all, let me tell you I checked the transportation stuff on Obsession and Prestige.
You only need to call to get it. Trouble is that only the hostess at the afternoon shift of the Obsession speaks English.
But they will get you from the hotel and back again.
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Firt at all I want to apologize to all for writing the next post in Spanish but I want to thank in a more personal way, sorry again for those who might find the next post disturbing or annoying

Muchas gracias "Amigomio", no tengo problema con que los recepcionistas en los clubs no hablen inglés, hablo español a nivel de hablante nativo, te agradezo mucho tu ayuda, y si no es mucha molestia abusar, te encargaría verificar cuando puedas lo de las rubias naturales, no es posible que al menos un par de ellas no trabajen en alguno de los múltiples tables de Monterrey, deberían importar al menos un par para tener mayor variedad, ojo no tengo nada en contra las morenas, me gustan mucho también pero pues es como cuando vas un buffete la variedad es importante, y las rubias son un simbolo sexual femenino por excelencia. Si necesitas ayuda a algún tipo de orientación con respecto a: Guadalajara, DF, Montreal, Alemania, Inglaterra (Londres), o Europa del este (República Checa, Hungría, Rumania, Rusia, Lituania, Eslovaquia etc) puedes preguntarme con toda confianza y yo encantado de ayudarte.

Saludos