Monterrey

[MonterreyDude]

Naw.... he's coming back.

By the way, what is this??

"We have the opportunity in Monterrey to interview the girls"

You're the only that interviews them... we talk to them, squeeze all pertinent info while we are squeezing the hell out of the in the privados, and then if desirable, we screw their brains out.

But "interview" them?
Nope.




OK Bob, so you are not coming back down again, right?

[Member #3453]

My interviewing techniques take on just as much depravity as any of yours. There is plenty of squeezing, mucho squeezing, lots of squeezing!!! :-) Make no mistake...

But, my point was a comparison to US interviewing, which is NON-existent. Remember, we have no way of "interviewing" them here. We select them from one or two photos on Craigs List, or Backpage.com, or some other escort website. Then, we talk to them on the phone.

To mention anything of any substance to the girl over the phone can result in your being arrested by the authorities, your being incarcerated, publicly humiliated with your name posted in the newspaper, and a relatively large fine imposed.

So, nothing of substance can be ascertained by even talking with them on the phone because they will hang up on you if you become specific or explicit as to what you expect of them. They do not expose themselves to arrest by discussing vivid illegal details with you by phone. They only talk in generalities, and refer to money in synonyms.

And, here is a piece of legal trivia you might be interested in. If you are in a city situated where there are several ajoining States, and you happen to call a girl that is located just over the State Line from where you are located, if you discuss specifics with her, and/or she comes across State lines to meet you, you are violation of what is known as the "Mann Act."

Or, lets say you are a street walker officionado...If you drive over to the side of town where such action is found, which just always happens to be across State lines, then cruise the streets, find the girl of your dreams, consumate an arrangement, and bring her back across state lines, over to the part of the metro area that is where the all the better hotels are located, you are in violation of the Mann Act.

If you even discuss specific details with her on the phone, and she is across state lines when the conversation is taking place, you are potentially in violation of the Mann Act, the least of which can be charged as "conspiracy" to commit violations of the Mann Act, if those communications utilize phone technology that extends beyond State lines.

"TITLE 18. US Federal Law: Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United
States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

Therefore, such activity is a violation of US Federal Law. The violation of the Mann Act is a felony in the US, and literally the FBI investigates it, US Federal prosecutors prosecute it, and as you can see, you can spend up to five years in Federal Prison engaging in prostitution in the US if you're in violation of the Mann Act. Plus, those penalties do not include the State penalties for violation of prostitution laws, which are in almost every State in the Union, and even where legal, such as the State of Nevada, strictly regulated.

Get the picture???

So, compared to that scenario, we ALL conduct hugely effective interviews in Monterrey by comparison, and yes, I would be crazy not to come back. Of course I'm coming back.

I'm just disappointed that my enjoyment of my kind of scenario "MAY" be compromised by these disclosures about my personal circumstances to her. I just want to have what I have always had with her, and now that has "possibly" been compromised. She didn't show it last time in her behavior or "performance," not even in her availability, after she found out, but the disclosures did effect our scenario. She has a tendency to analyze stuff cognitively when I am gone, and it has the potential to adversely affect my scenario with her when I'm there. It did NOT last time, but...

Of course I'm coming back... :-) But, keep your girls under wraps...I was formerly contained, but things may be changing. USB may not be as effectively contained these days by Angel Girl. I am starting to develop a very Cabronish perspective on the totality of the circumstances. We shall see...only Angel Girl can contain me.


Naw.... he's coming back.

By the way, what is this??

"We have the opportunity in Monterrey to interview the girls"

You're the only that interviews them... we talk to them, squeeze all pertinent info while we are squeezing the hell out of the in the privados, and then if desirable, we screw their brains out.

But "interview" them?
Nope.

[MonterreyDude]

Of course you CAN try to get our girls... thing is you'll never be "cabron" enough to get them.




My interviewing techniques take on just as much depravity as any of yours. There is plenty of squeezing, mucho squeezing, lots of squeezing!!! :-) Make no mistake...

But, my point was a comparison to US interviewing, which is NON-existent. Remember, we have no way of "interviewing" them here. We select them from one or two photos on Craigs List, or Backpage.com, or some other escort website. Then, we talk to them on the phone.

To mention anything of any substance to the girl over the phone can result in your being arrested by the authorities, your being incarcerated, publicly humiliated with your name posted in the newspaper, and a relatively large fine imposed.

So, nothing of substance can be ascertained by even talking with them on the phone because they will hang up on you if you become specific or explicit as to what you expect of them. They do not expose themselves to arrest by discussing vivid illegal details with you by phone. They only talk in generalities, and refer to money in synonyms.

And, here is a piece of legal trivia you might be interested in. If you are in a city situated where there are several ajoining States, and you happen to call a girl that is located just over the State Line from where you are located, if you discuss specifics with her, and/or she comes across State lines to meet you, you are violation of what is known as the "Mann Act."

Or, lets say you are a street walker officionado...If you drive over to the side of town where such action is found, which just always happens to be across State lines, then cruise the streets, find the girl of your dreams, consumate an arrangement, and bring her back across state lines, over to the part of the metro area that is where the all the better hotels are located, you are in violation of the Mann Act.

If you even discuss specific details with her on the phone, and she is across state lines when the conversation is taking place, you are potentially in violation of the Mann Act, the least of which can be charged as "conspiracy" to commit violations of the Mann Act, if those communications utilize phone technology that extends beyond State lines.

"TITLE 18. US Federal Law: Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United
States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

Therefore, such activity is a violation of US Federal Law. The violation of the Mann Act is a felony in the US, and literally the FBI investigates it, US Federal prosecutors prosecute it, and as you can see, you can spend up to five years in Federal Prison engaging in prostitution in the US if you're in violation of the Mann Act. Plus, those penalties do not include the State penalties for violation of prostitution laws, which are in almost every State in the Union, and even where legal, such as the State of Nevada, strictly regulated.

Get the picture???

So, compared to that scenario, we ALL conduct hugely effective interviews in Monterrey by comparison, and yes, I would be crazy not to come back. Of course I'm coming back.

I'm just disappointed that my enjoyment of my kind of scenario "MAY" be compromised by these disclosures about my personal circumstances to her. I just want to have what I have always had with her, and now that has "possibly" been compromised. She didn't show it last time in her behavior or "performance," not even in her availability, after she found out, but the disclosures did effect our scenario. She has a tendency to analyze stuff cognitively when I am gone, and it has the potential to adversely affect my scenario with her when I'm there. It did NOT last time, but...

Of course I'm coming back... :-) But, keep your girls under wraps...I was formerly contained, but things may be changing. USB may not be as effectively contained these days by Angel Girl. I am starting to develop a very Cabronish perspective on the totality of the circumstances. We shall see...only Angel Girl can contain me.

[Member #3453]

I do not get them being a Cabron...that is not my style. And, our definition of "get them" is totally different. But, fear not, frankly, I hope my Angel Girl keeps me on a short leash :-))) Besides, I do not like tall, wide girls...so you're safe...just kidding ;-)

Hey, there was a new girl at El Infinito last time. I took her into the privados. She came highly recommended by Jarras. My Angel Girl was not there, so he told me he had a new girl that was equal. He told me that she was an exact ringer for my Angel Girl. When he introduced us, I did not think she resembled her at all...not even close. But, I decided I would "interview" this supposed "replacement" in the privados.

In the privados, she was really, really dirty, as in really, really slutty. And, of course, she will go on salida with me. I was being loyal to my Angel Girl so I passed her by.

But, there was one other one on the night shift that reminded me of Cindy #2, flaca, morena, naturales, pretty smile, good personality, black hair, pretty eyes, etc...She passed all the interview criteria in the privados, but when I got her back to the room, she was a huge disappointment in some areas, and I mean in some really important areas too.

Literally, she was so sensitive that I could barely even touch her clit. Of course, the pocket rocket was OUT!!! I could not have any fun. And, certainly, she performed the sex act, and it was purely a mechanical experience. If she had not had such a good personality, and been so much fun in that way, she would have been a complete and total bomb.

To be so good in the carino department, great personality, and so poor in everything else. How Tragic!!! What a frickin' waste.

And, why is it when we report OUR experiences on this board, we are never, EVER, given any little blue captions at the bottom of our posts, like the newbies all get when they report something. For example, my review above. Is that not a report on a girl in one of the clubs? I mean what the FUCK does a guy have to do to get recognized. It just demonstrates the prejudice of the administration.


Of course you CAN try to get our girls... thing is you'll never be "cabron" enough to get them.

[Doubt98]

What are the names of some of the waiters in the clubs where you can trust their opinions? I understand the YMMV part with each girl, but they could at least tell you who to avoid. Then you can narrow down the number of who you want to "interview"

[El Cabron 007]

bob's cabronish style:
and i quote "and, when you talk to my prestige girl, please tell her for me "no more drinks," not until she meets me outside ..... there...how's that for being a cabron? "

carlos:
"you *****. if anyone is going to do some *****-slabbing, it will be me."
"you want to have my baby? get away from me."

me? i just don't give a damn. if she's old enough to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), she's old enough for me.


but, keep your girls under wraps...i was formerly contained, but things may be changing. usb may not be as effectively contained these days by angel girl. i am starting to develop a very cabronish perspective on the totality of the circumstances. we shall see...only angel girl can contain me.

[Member #3453]

you know me...i am always playing the psych angles. the board is a very effective sounding board, one where messages are posted, but meanings have a dual purpose.

if i tell carlos what to tell them, what message do you think he will actually deliver? just asking... :-))) my opinion, none... :-))) right?



bob's cabronish style:
and i quote "and, when you talk to my prestige girl, please tell her for me "no more drinks," not until she meets me outside ..... there...how's that for being a cabron? "

carlos:
"you *****. if anyone is going to do some *****-slabbing, it will be me."
"you want to have my baby? get away from me."

me? i just don't give a damn. if she's old enough to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), she's old enough for me.

[Member #3453]

There are none to be trusted. ALL of them, ALL WAITERS, are on the take, one way or the other. The recommendation given to me by the manager was because he thought he understood why I always looked for my Angel Girl. In his case, his recommendations to me were genuinely offered.

But, he, like so many others, have no real comprehension about what I am truly looking for in my girls, and why I ask for her always. Most have tunnel vision, like so many on the boards who fail to understand the depth of my best experiences. Most do not understand why I seek out my kind of experience versus what so many others are otherwise satisfied with.

Most will never know...


What are the names of some of the waiters in the clubs where you can trust their opinions? I understand the YMMV part with each girl, but they could at least tell you who to avoid. Then you can narrow down the number of who you want to "interview"

[El Cabron 007]

I wish it worked that way. Each has his own motives. Trust me.

And in a SC, who will you trust? A hooker? Or the man who delivers her drinks and tries to cheat you out of $100 when he thinks you're drunk?


What are the names of some of the waiters in the clubs where you can trust their opinions? I understand the YMMV part with each girl, but they could at least tell you who to avoid. Then you can narrow down the number of who you want to "interview"

[MonterreyDude]

I agree with both USB and Wasted.
But I would add that I wouldn't even trust any manager.
All of these people will as soon as possible sink a dagger in my back.
None of these people work for us... they work for the House.
They might sometimes back you in moments of trouble, sometimes clear any wrong doings with the tab, sometimes not even that!

Yes, I might recomend a waiter, right there in person at the club, but even then I would tell the monger to be on the look out for a scam.




I wish it worked that way. Each has his own motives. Trust me.

And in a SC, who will you trust? A hooker? Or the man who delivers her drinks and tries to cheat you out of $100 when he thinks you're drunk?

[MonterreyDude]

My friend... you don't know that!!!
Of course I pass along messages, but I have to sweeten the message depending on the girl's humor, or non humor.
I have to twist it around, make some adjustments.

In your case, Angel girl is starting her shift to late, well into 6:30-7:00 pm and on a weekday it is hard for me to be there at that time frame.
But I've managed to pass along the messages...

PS: OK!!! you don't trust me anymore!!!!!!!!
PPS: Maybe you shouldn't.
PPPS: Maybe you should!!!




You know me...I am always playing the psych angles. The board is a very effective sounding board, one where messages are posted, but meanings have a dual purpose.

If I tell Carlos what to tell them, what message do you think he will actually deliver? Just asking... :-))) My opinion, NONE... :-))) Right?

[Member #3453]

First, I want to preface this by saying that this is purely a philosophical discussion about tactics, preferences, goals, and objectives. It is a gentleman's discussion, and I mean no disrespect to my dear friend, Carlos, nor do I wish to convey a lack of inherent trust in Carlos as my dear friend.

I articulate the following to illustrate the differences in my goals and objectives compared to ones articulated by Carlos, WastedG, and almost everyone else on here.

Most simply do not understand me, nor are they sympathetic to the fulfillment that I receive from the kind of successes I have with my girls, such as is the case with Angel Girl. Most are not appreciative in knowing that what I get from that kind of scenario is what motivates me to return, apart from visiting with Carlos, and my amigos of course.

It is a lack of understanding that the potential demise of that circumstance with Angel Girl only serves to discourage my return...seriously. Obviously, if the circumstance with her deteriorate as a result of disclosures, I will have to start over. But, my game is a long-term endeavor, taking literally months, and significantly more work than merely selecting the best piece of ass from the stage at El Infinito.

From that misunderstanding sprouts a misguided comprehension of my tactics, and possibly, on occasion, interventions that sabotage my goals and objectives. And, understandably, those interventions in my scenarios are made innocently, lacking an understanding of what motivates me to return to Monterrey, interventions made employing their own tactics used successfully for them to achieve their brand of successfully realized goals and objectives.

Misguided interventions on my behalf are not done with malice. It's a lack of understanding with respect to differing tactics perhaps, but more importantly, it's a misunderstanding with respect to technique as it relates to our desiring different outcomes with our girls.

So, you see, it isn't a matter of lacking "trust" per se, it is a matter of lacking trust that there is sufficient understanding of my goals and objectives, and or sympathy toward my goals and objectives, for the purposes of motivating me back to Monterrey, and not a lack of trust in my dear friend.

For me, there is simply no value to be gleened in being the Cabron, within my own context of successful accomplishment (ie: "The Hybrid GFE"). At the same time, I fully comprehend that most do not understand what motivates my selection of diametrically opposed tactics, ones that do not conform to their own preferred outcomes. So, I am doubtful that messages can be delivered to assist me in accomplishing my goals, nor are interventions on my behalf usually helpful, because I realize there is little understanding in what is required to solicit my kinds of outcomes.

So, with the lack of understanding comes a misdirected attempt to positively influence outcomes for me, all be it with altruistic and sincere concern for my well being, all made, however, by them, at the risk of my being less interested in returning to scenarios with girls that simply do not fulfill me.



My friend... you don't know that!!!
Of course I pass along messages, but I have to sweeten the message depending on the girl's humor, or non humor.
I have to twist it around, make some adjustments.

In your case, Angel girl is starting her shift to late, well into 6:30-7:00 pm and on a weekday it is hard for me to be there at that time frame.
But I've managed to pass along the messages...

PS: OK!!! you don't trust me anymore!!!!!!!!
PPS: Maybe you shouldn't.
PPPS: Maybe you should!!!

[Cpalace82]

Hey guys

Are Mexican women really the best for wild sex, or is at all hype.

[Cpalace82]

Okay cheers for the heads up ive been chatting to a girl from San Luis Potosi for about a year she works in Ghana for Unicef so she seemed like she might have a good head on her shoulders. Ive been thinking about asking her to visit me in England but ive not dated a Mexican girl so I wasnt sure if it was worth the bother.

Thanks again.

[Bbond]

Hey guys

Are Mexican women really the best for wild sex, or is at all hype.


I actually enjoy their cooking and housekeeping abilities best............lol......

[MonterreyDude]

A girl... how old is she?
Is she still a Mexican resident? She could be a citizen of the world and that changes everything,
Mexican girls, civilian non working girls, per se are closed.
They will open up if a frienship starts, but you can be sure to get boring sex from them.




Okay cheers for the heads up ive been chatting to a girl from San Luis Potosi for about a year she works in Ghana for Unicef so she seemed like she might have a good head on her shoulders. Ive been thinking about asking her to visit me in England but ive not dated a Mexican girl so I wasnt sure if it was worth the bother.

Thanks again.

[El Monger]

First, I want to preface this by saying that this is purely a philosophical discussion about tactics, preferences, goals, and objectives. It is a gentleman's discussion, and I mean no disrespect to my dear friend, Carlos, nor do I wish to convey a lack of inherent trust in Carlos as my dear friend.

I articulate the following to illustrate the differences in my goals and objectives compared to ones articulated by Carlos, WastedG, and almost everyone else on here.

Most simply do not understand me, nor are they sympathetic to the fulfillment that I receive from the kind of successes I have with my girls, such as is the case with Angel Girl. Most are not appreciative in knowing that what I get from that kind of scenario is what motivates me to return, apart from visiting with Carlos, and my amigos of course.

It is a lack of understanding that the potential demise of that circumstance with Angel Girl only serves to discourage my return...seriously. Obviously, if the circumstance with her deteriorate as a result of disclosures, I will have to start over. But, my game is a long-term endeavor, taking literally months, and significantly more work than merely selecting the best piece of ass from the stage at El Infinito.

From that misunderstanding sprouts a misguided comprehension of my tactics, and possibly, on occasion, interventions that sabotage my goals and objectives. And, understandably, those interventions in my scenarios are made innocently, lacking an understanding of what motivates me to return to Monterrey, interventions made employing their own tactics used successfully for them to achieve their brand of successfully realized goals and objectives.

Misguided interventions on my behalf are not done with malice. It's a lack of understanding with respect to differing tactics perhaps, but more importantly, it's a misunderstanding with respect to technique as it relates to our desiring different outcomes with our girls.

So, you see, it isn't a matter of lacking "trust" per se, it is a matter of lacking trust that there is sufficient understanding of my goals and objectives, and or sympathy toward my goals and objectives, for the purposes of motivating me back to Monterrey, and not a lack of trust in my dear friend.

For me, there is simply no value to be gleened in being the Cabron, within my own context of successful accomplishment (ie: "The Hybrid GFE"). At the same time, I fully comprehend that most do not understand what motivates my selection of diametrically opposed tactics, ones that do not conform to their own preferred outcomes. So, I am doubtful that messages can be delivered to assist me in accomplishing my goals, nor are interventions on my behalf usually helpful, because I realize there is little understanding in what is required to solicit my kinds of outcomes.

So, with the lack of understanding comes a misdirected attempt to positively influence outcomes for me, all be it with altruistic and sincere concern for my well being, all made, however, by them, at the risk of my being less interested in returning to scenarios with girls that simply do not fulfill me.What was that? Sounds like an articulation for one self. You didnt say anything besides no one understans you. No offense and this is not a personal attack, but what the hell was that about?

[Cpalace82]

I actually enjoy their cooking and housekeeping abilities best............lol......I've heard their meant to be good at cooking, I like my soft tacos.

[Cpalace82]

A girl... how old is she?

Is she still a Mexican resident? She could be a citizen of the world and that changes everything, Mexican girls, civilian non working girls, per se are closed.

They will open up if a frienship starts, but you can be sure to get boring sex from them.Hey man,

She's 23 shes not a Mexican resident last time she was in Mexico was at christmas to visit family and then went straight back to Ghana afterward to work, her dads from Ghana actually.

The one I speak to opened up to me pretty quick, thing is its so hard to find decent background info on Mexican women on the net regarding what their really like in bed, ive only been able to find a tid bit of info on a couple of messageboards about how jealous they are.

[Member #3453]

What was that? Sounds like an articulation for one self. You didnt say anything besides no one understans you. No offense and this is not a personal attack, but what the hell was that about?

What I wrote can be understood...READ IT SLOWLY!

Mine was a response to a series of posts directed toward me with respect to "MY" preferences and tactics, a response written in correct ENGLISH!!! It was written for "one's self," in defense of "ones's self," yes!!!

It is for "ME," and for "MY" sole gratification, made for "MY" purposes only, and for the purpose of communicating directly with "MY" amigos that frequent Monterrey. The fact that some like yourself simply do not have the capacity to process it, are not interested in reading it, do not agree with it, or do not understand it, is not my concern.

Like you, I don't mean any disrespect, nor is this a personal attack upon you either. But, since you brought it up in such a crass manner...

If you don't like it, then don't read it...simple as that. Your comment about the content of what I choose to write here has as much relevance to me as mine admittedly lacks for you.

When I start to change my ways, as a result of what others may think, or write, that will be the day...You must be new here... :-)))

[Cpalace82]

A girl... how old is she?

Is she still a Mexican resident? She could be a citizen of the world and that changes everything, Mexican girls, civilian non working girls, per se are closed.

They will open up if a frienship starts, but you can be sure to get boring sex from them.She's 23, no she lives in Ghana know for work and only goes back to Mexico at Christmas.

[Member #3453]

In comparing girls across the globe, IMHO, Mexican Girls, and Latin girls in general, have the capacity to be more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across.

If you can cut through the larceny and manipulation that is sometimes so much an integral part of their socialization, and establish a solid friendship with them, something that takes a little effort, they will not disappoint you.



She's 23, no she lives in Ghana know for work and only goes back to Mexico at Christmas.

[MonterreyDude]

USB says: "more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across."

Yes, and that is the undoing of the Mexican woman.
There comes a point that if the girl is open, socially and sexualy, she becomes a trophy for men to hunt.
Men will rate her as a girl that "likes it" and will only look for her for sex.

Slowly but surely she is pushed back by our macho dominated society into seclusion just because she wanted to be liberal.




In comparing girls across the globe, IMHO, Mexican Girls, and Latin girls in general, have the capacity to be more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across.

If you can cut through the larceny and manipulation that is sometimes so much an integral part of their socialization, and establish a solid friendship with them, something that takes a little effort, they will not disappoint you.

[Member #3453]

very wisely put...that certainly is the basis for their undoing, and it is from that knowledge that i so often lament for the poor, misguided nicer girls we know in the clubs, realizing their true natures. but also realizing that their decision to do what they do in the bars is sometimes also made to better the lives of others, financially, and with respect to their futures.

some are depraved, some do it out of sacrifice, some out of laziness, some out of taking the path of least resistance, some out of greed, etc...i know a girl that recently, about a month ago, took a second job in a factory, working two jobs to pay the bills. she told me that it was literally killing her. she was quickly deciding that her job in the bar was not so bad. so, when you do the math, compared to the amount of work done in exchange for effort made in the jobs of the virtuous, according to her, a bar girl's job is comparatively very, very easy. if you aren't born into money, t's really a no-brainer if you have the looks, and the emotional and psychological fortitude to pull it off.

this is not something she was thinking prior to taking the factory job, which she said was far and away ten times the amount of work in retrospect. living a "chaste" girl's existence means working very, very hard to exist in a latin culture. the decision to demean one's self as a bar girl is not so hard to understand when you consider the alternatives, and when you also consider the consequences to the living standard that results from maintaining one's virtuosity.

but, apparently, many girls that literally could assume the job of a bar girl, having the looks and personality necessary to do so, choose an alternate path. as you and porker have told me, the overwhelming majority of girls in mexico, at least with respect to their virtuosity, are not in the category of the girls that we patronize, who are all ultimately labeled as spoiled goods.

optimistically speaking, for a guy like cpalace, who may have found the exception to what we routinely see in the bars, there may be hope for things progressing nicely with his amiga, who may just be one of the many apparently virtuous ones. however, ymmv, and the proof is still always in the pudding.

hopefully, among the more virtuous girls of mexico, there must be some pearls among the swine, girls that are more discerning than to give of themselves to all who seek only sexual favors from them, even if the result enriches them beyond their wildest dreams in comparison to their otherwise virtuous peers. those are the ones, the apparent vast majority of eligible girls in mexico, that could make a man's life paradise on earth.

i realize my sampling of mexican girls is skewed because of the category of girls i've sampled. but, based on the numbers, it seems to me i've sampled enough to sense a generalization about the overall sexuality of latin girls. literally, i believe almost all latin girls run about 30-40 degrees hotter than any other culture i've encountered.

were i a younger man, unattached, knowing what i know now about the nature of latin women, i would definitely seek a mate, girlfriend, wife, companion, etc..., one of latin origins, versus what is available in the us. i believe cpalace said he was in the uk i believe, and i really can't speak to the nature of women in that part of the world, only in comparison primarily to us, latin, and asian girls, ie:thailand, the pi, indonesia, china, cambodia, singapore, etc...but, i feel that i've sampled large enough number from each respective category to form some relatively accurate representative conclusions about their overall appeal.

i believe that based on experience in the three generalized cultures, asian, latin, and american, it boils down to cultural influences as having the primary influence that distinguishes them from one another. even if a potential latin candidate were available in the us, originally from latin cultural origins, but living in the us for anytime more than about two years, i would not want to choose from anyone that may have been tainted by our cultural influences here in the us. and, imho, asian girls are much more frigid than latin girls. so, the choice is clear for me.

there is something about their authentic latin origins that makes them profoundly attractive to me. as i have always said, attitude is everything, and the latin culture, even with it's inherent machoistic flaws, produces some of the most alluring women in existence worldwide, imho.


usb says: "more loving and passionate than any other culture i've come across."

yes, and that is the undoing of the mexican woman.
there comes a point that if the girl is open, socially and sexualy, she becomes a trophy for men to hunt.
men will rate her as a girl that "likes it" and will only look for her for sex.

slowly but surely she is pushed back by our macho dominated society into seclusion just because she wanted to be liberal.

[Cpalace82]

In comparing girls across the globe, IMHO, Mexican Girls, and Latin girls in general, have the capacity to be more loving and passionate than any other culture I've come across.

If you can cut through the larceny and manipulation that is sometimes so much an integral part of their socialization, and establish a solid friendship with them, something that takes a little effort, they will not disappoint you.Interesting little article I found a while ago,the way they describe Mexican women their pretty spot on regarding the sentimentality she acts just the same way, whoever wrote did his homework.

http://www.escapeartist.com/Travel_Mag/Issues/02/Dating_and_Sex_Around_the_World.html

[Cpalace82]

optimistically speaking, for a guy like cpalace, who may have found the exception to what we routinely see in the bars, there may be hope for things progressing nicely with his amiga, who may just be one of the many apparently virtuous ones. however, ymmv, and the proof is still always in the pudding.

hopefully, among the more virtuous girls of mexico, there must be some pearls among the swine, girls that are more discerning than to give of themselves to all who seek only sexual favors from them, even if the result enriches them beyond their wildest dreams in comparison to their otherwise virtuous peers. those are the ones, the apparent vast majority of eligible girls in mexico, that could make a man's life paradise on earth.

i realize my sampling of mexican girls is skewed because of the category of girls i've sampled. but, based on the numbers, it seems to me i've sampled enough to sense a generalization about the overall sexuality of latin girls. literally, i believe almost all latin girls run about 30-40 degrees hotter than any other culture i've encountered.

were i a younger man, unattached, knowing what i know now about the nature of latin women, i would definitely seek a mate, girlfriend, wife, companion, etc..., one of latin origins, versus what is available in the us. i believe cpalace said he was in the uk i believe, and i really can't speak to the nature of women in that part of the world, only in comparison primarily to us, latin, and asian girls, ie:thailand, the pi, indonesia, china, cambodia, singapore, etc...but, i feel that i've sampled large enough number from each respective category to form some relatively accurate representative conclusions about their overall appeal.

i believe that based on experience in the three generalized cultures, asian, latin, and american, it boils down to cultural influences as having the primary influence that distinguishes them from one another. even if a potential latin candidate were available in the us, originally from latin cultural origins, but living in the us for anytime more than about two years, i would not want to choose from anyone that may have been tainted by our cultural influences here in the us. and, imho, asian girls are much more frigid than latin girls. so, the choice is clear for me.

there is something about their authentic latin origins that makes them profoundly attractive to me. as i have always said, attitude is everything, and the latin culture, even with it's inherent machoistic flaws, produces some of the most alluring women in existence worldwide, imho.she does seem to have a good head on her shoulders from what ive learnt of her, i do think spending a year just chatting and getting to really know what shes about and what we have in common is what i needed if i was to consider inviting her to come visit me, otherwise i wouldnt have had a clue what to talk to her about when she was staying with me and that would have been a real drag. english women are okay but im after something diffrent ive had my fill of fake blondes englands overrun by them. i dont know what living in ghana has done for her but im curious to see. i dont know if you guys have noticed if mexican girls are clingy to their boyfriends, im not a guy that has to be with my chick all the time i do need my space.

[El Cabron 007]

my trip started out as bad as it can get. needless to say, i was in a bad mood. so when i arrived late at infinito and none of my regulars were available, let's just say i was not in a forgiving mood.

sweet p comes to me at closing time. sweet as ever with a bright smile. "will you wait for me to get dressed?" she asks. "where are we going?" i played the ignorant customer until she spelled it out ... let's go to your place. all three of us. this including her girlfriend who is a sweet 18 y/o knockout fake blond.

i did not touch her girlfriend. i was not in the mood so she eventually made her graceful exit after a little over an hour. sweet p gave all she could give and i let myself go on her. after 3 hours, she pegged to stop.

the next morning, i was still in a bad mood so i called lady j and asked her to come over. lady j is no longer working the business and had actually sold all her dancing outfits. she has a regular job and is very content. lady j is a true brazilian and does she fight for her man? she was sending the girls running for their lives when i was seeing her at the club. later when i take her with me for lunch at prestige, she made sure none of the girls that came to say hello to me stay over a minute. she gave them a clear message and they got it.

so .. here comes the fun part. carlos comes over around 1 pm and we're setting talking with the room door open. and that's when the brownies hit the fan. lady j walks in looking so pretty. i pull my hand... and feet .. away from sweet p as if i don't want lady j to see us together. they both instantly give me the look .. that look that says 'what the hell are you doing?" even carlos sat back to enjoy the show. i got pinched .. a lot .. by both as i was trying to maintain a loving balance between the both girls. i did not make either one feel she was second. i showed respect to both and sat next to each one for a little to show my affection. i knew deep inside they were both boiling with anger.

sweet p finally left and then sends carlos a txt msg telling him the following:

"please tell wasted not to talk to me anymore. if he sees me at the club, tell him not to try to talk to me as if he never knew me." i thought that was so sweet. just like a little girl breaking up.

i spent my time with lady j. had my fun and sent her on her way after about 5 hours. the i head out to infinito to face my destiny.

the entire club is now aware of the break up. all the girls come by and either tell me that i need punishment or asking why i made sweet p angry. sweet p did not look at me and kept avoiding me. but when i told the manager to grab sweet p by the ear and force her to set with me, she came .. unwillingly .. and sat next to me not saying a word.

i usually let the girls buy candy and nuts from the candy tray dude. each girl usually picks up a candy bar or some gum. this time, sweet p reaches for the biggest box on the tray. i asked her if she has money to pay for it. she got mad and returned it. but i was just teasing and bought it for her.

when i asked her if she does not want me any more, if she does not love me anymore, she said she does love but she is angry with me. ok. so i ask "how long will you be angry for so i would come back then." .... she got so mad and left.

when i talk to the other girls, i tell them that the one i lost the most is angry with me. when i tell them why, they all were shocked and told me i have been a bad boy.

i left to get some cash and on the way back, i stopped by a club i never entered before and i did not have any intentions of ever looking inside. but i thought a time away from the action would do me some good. turns out i was the only customer besides another table and i was buried with girls. one was hot so i took her for a ride after i had one other girl help me get her wet. she was squirming and just about ready to explode.

i head back to infinito 15 minutes before the end of the evening shift. sweet p and her girlfriend were in the line up when i pointed to her girlfriend to come down. she drags sweet p with her and says she is no longer angry with me. sweet p had this shy bride look blushing as she looks at me. she gives me a shy hug accompanied with a shy kiss. "i am not angry with you that much any more."

cool. let's go upstairs. we had some fun and they asked me if we were going out to the clubs tonight. sure ... but my friend lady j is coming too.

man, i can not even begin to describe the looks on their faces. it was like they were frozen in time. speechless. emotionless. just about ready to deliver a killer blow. but i did not care. if she does not like it, she can walk.

now, when she got dressed, she rushes out of the club with a quick look behind her as she leaves. i took it as if she was trying to sneak out on me. i got up walked out behind her and her other girlfriend. i pass by them without saying a word. sweet p and her girlfriend start calling out my name to come back. i return but with a disappointed look. "what's wrong?" nothing ... you want to leave go ahead. they both instantly started to explain to me when i asked why they sneaked out, both instantly start to explain that they were hiding from another girl who wanted to go out.. and she usually does, who wanted to go out with us. sure i said. i did not believe them until the third girlfriend comes out say that she managed to also sneak out without that girl seeing her. ok.. so they might be telling the truth.

i told them to go ahead and i will catch up with them after lady j comes. lady j was no show so i left. but i could not find them in the club so i left and headed to pasarellas to look for one my hot teen girls. no luck. i left to infinito's for a late shift sampling. got me one of those girls that i usually shy away from talking to. she was a professional dancer. very hot that i thought i could not handle her. she turned out to be a real sweetheart. a 21 y/o tiny little thing. she danced on me while i was deep inside her. she was fire.

a finally get to sleep at 6 am. got up at 4 pm and then was pleasantly surprised when i heard a door knock. i thought it was the house keeping lady so i open up and loved the sight of sweet p at the door. she does not work on sundays and usually spend the day with her family. yet, she took time off and came to see me.

i had previously agreed to pay for her hair extensions as a birthday gift. but when i found out how much it costs, i refused. she asked carlos to talk to me about it but i still insisted it was way too much and a waste of money. but now she wants me to split the cost with her. half and half. ok. so when we went out for dinner, i took out some cash and gave it to her.

sweet p is so so so loving when she wants something from me. she can have whatever she wants if she approaches me with that child-like 'please' attitude. she can charm me out of anything if she knew how powerful she can be. but she does not know that. she better not know that.

so there, if you love someone, set them free... i set her free. if she wants to leave, leave.

now i'm trying to figure out what to do with sweet p and lady j. they both want to have lunch with me. one is coming at 1 pm and the other at 2.

i'm waiting....

[Member #3453]

My trip started out as bad as it can get.



I enjoyed reading your escapades WastedG. It occurs to me that your escapades with your two girls is the basis for further discussion about our varied choices of methodology.

While your circumstances and the application of Cabronish methodology seemingly works well for you, within the context of apparently getting you what you want in Monterrey, it does not prove that your "P" girl doesn't have legitimate feelings for you, nor does it mean that she was not jealous in the emotional sense, behind the professional jealously that's part of their regular "routine."

When I assess the sincerity of your P girl versus Lady J, just in their respective demeanors, I sense that Lady J lacks the depth of sincerity that I sense in your P girl. Nobody can really know for sure with these girls. But, just my sixth sense, and witnessing her behavior first hand in the past, over a number of years now, tells me that your P girl was legitimately jealous and angry.

Now, with respect to the Cabronish methods, I agree with you that depending on what you're looking for in return from them, your methods seem to work for you perfectly well. But, how can a Cabronish attitude toward them, demonstrating to them a lack of caring for them beyond the obvious, demonstrating to them that it does not matter whether you see them or not, serve the hybrid GFE'er well with respect to soliciting any actual depth of feeling from them for overall legitimate long-term effect, void of any "act" on their part for monetary gain?

My big question about the "Cabronish" methodology, and where I take issue with that methodology for my own self, is in it being able to solicit a "true" legitimate emotional attachment. And, it can be best illustrated by asking one question. Would you employ those same methods with a loving wife or girlfriend, and expect the relationship to flourish under those same conditions? The answer is a resounding NO!

So, while I totally agree with you about using those methods with MOST of the girls for the run of the mill purposes for most, I do not believe that method works if you are interested in experiencing the hybrid GFE, and experiencing what a "deeper" meaning has to offer.

I am not saying that anyone should seek a deeper meaning in what we do necessarily. I'm just saying that there is simply no way that a legitimate deeper meaning, if that is what one enjoys, is perpetuated by using Cabronish methods. And, to go even further, to perpetuate a Cabronish approach with girls that WILL develop a deeper meaning for Hybrid GFE, the use of Cabronish methods only serves to sabotage the development of a deeper meaning with them, assuming of course, that they are not being totally disingenuous in their professed feelings to begin with, which is always a possibility with the kinds of girls we're dealing with.

I am here to say also say that while many will not believe that a deeper meaning is possible with these kinds of girls, I am also here to testify that it IS most certainly possible. It's a matter of choices, to choose methodologies that solicit what you're looking for. If you're getting all that you seek in what you like from your methods, then nobody can argue with your methods, and I accept them as productive for you.

And...entertaining....:-)))

Say hello to my Angel...:-))) Tell her I miss her.

[MonterreyDude]

Your sixth sense is wrong.
I also treat the girls the same way and the track record is one or more girls per club. Right now I have so many girls that I can't see them all.
I even got texted yesterday by my Casino night girl while being at the Obsession with my afternoon shift girl sitting on my side.
She got angry and demanded that I didn't answer at all cause she's "the only one".
And I did exactly what Wasted does: I didn't pay attention, I just answered the message.
You see? That is the point you don't get.
We don't let the girls get their way.
We get our way with the girls and that can be obtained both being a "cabron" and/or a nice guy.
The thing is how to do it.

And of course the girls have legit feelings for us.
The girls are not made of stone and both Wasted's and my style go straight to the girl's feelings. That is part of getting our way with them. If we didn't do that, we wouldn't get 100% of our money.
But we still need to read them right or a revolution might occur.

And this is not true: "to perpetuate a Cabronish approach with girls that WILL develop a deeper meaning for Hybrid GFE, the use of Cabronish methods only serves to sabotage the development of a deeper meaning with them"

Nope... again a rotund "nope".

There are girls that need to be treated a little rough and there are girls that like it nice and soft.

By rough I mean, we as customers acting tough and inflexible with money, the way we treat them, how we see them, how we deal with them, how we act with other girls and her at the same time.

Angry Girl is one of the girls that likes (and I repeat, "likes") to be treated rough, but your style does not go that way and the soft aproach on these kind of girls only hits you back straight in the eye.
Being soft and nice with rough girls will get you no where and whatever you do, will not straighten them out.

But girls like Angry Girl on the other hand are a total waste of time. They might be good for one or 2 sorties but nothing more. Their type can just not be molded with soft or hard ways.

And this aplies to your system: girls that like it rough and tough (95% of the girls) might go for the novelty of a soft and gentelman touch, but that style outlasts it's novelty pretty darn quickly and they on their hand quickly revert to their system of closing all openings and returning to their ways of controling the customer.
Once the gaps close, there is no way of opening them again.






I enjoyed reading your escapades WastedG. It occurs to me that your escapades with your two girls is the basis for further discussion about our varied choices of methodology.

While your circumstances and the application of Cabronish methodology seemingly works well for you, within the context of apparently getting you what you want in Monterrey, it does not prove that your "P" girl doesn't have legitimate feelings for you, nor does it mean that she was not jealous in the emotional sense, behind the professional jealously that's part of their regular "routine."

When I assess the sincerity of your P girl versus Lady J, just in their respective demeanors, I sense that Lady J lacks the depth of sincerity that I sense in your P girl. Nobody can really know for sure with these girls. But, just my sixth sense, and witnessing her behavior first hand in the past, over a number of years now, tells me that your P girl was legitimately jealous and angry.

Now, with respect to the Cabronish methods, I agree with you that depending on what you're looking for in return from them, your methods seem to work for you perfectly well. But, how can a Cabronish attitude toward them, demonstrating to them a lack of caring for them beyond the obvious, demonstrating to them that it does not matter whether you see them or not, serve the hybrid GFE'er well with respect to soliciting any actual depth of feeling from them for overall legitimate long-term effect, void of any "act" on their part for monetary gain?

My big question about the "Cabronish" methodology, and where I take issue with that methodology for my own self, is in it being able to solicit a "true" legitimate emotional attachment. And, it can be best illustrated by asking one question. Would you employ those same methods with a loving wife or girlfriend, and expect the relationship to flourish under those same conditions? The answer is a resounding NO!

So, while I totally agree with you about using those methods with MOST of the girls for the run of the mill purposes for most, I do not believe that method works if you are interested in experiencing the hybrid GFE, and experiencing what a "deeper" meaning has to offer.

I am not saying that anyone should seek a deeper meaning in what we do necessarily. I'm just saying that there is simply no way that a legitimate deeper meaning, if that is what one enjoys, is perpetuated by using Cabronish methods. And, to go even further, to perpetuate a Cabronish approach with girls that WILL develop a deeper meaning for Hybrid GFE, the use of Cabronish methods only serves to sabotage the development of a deeper meaning with them, assuming of course, that they are not being totally disingenuous in their professed feelings to begin with, which is always a possibility with the kinds of girls we're dealing with.

I am here to say also say that while many will not believe that a deeper meaning is possible with these kinds of girls, I am also here to testify that it IS most certainly possible. It's a matter of choices, to choose methodologies that solicit what you're looking for. If you're getting all that you seek in what you like from your methods, then nobody can argue with your methods, and I accept them as productive for you.

And...entertaining....:-)))

Say hello to my Angel...:-))) Tell her I miss her.

[Member #3453]

Your sixth sense is wrong.
Are you saying, then, that I should try your ways in all circumstances with ALL of my girls? So, you think that if I do, the outcome will be better for me? Or, will it sabotage me in some, and prove me successful in others? You see, there are some girls where I agree with you, and there are some girls where I disagree with you.

Simply put, I do not want such experimentation to negatively influence circumstances where I am sooooo successful currently, where I am in absolute paradise with certain ones of them NOW...that's the bottom line.

If I try your tactics, you are guaranteeing that I will be MORE successful with the ones that I am already successful with, successful in my wildest dreams, right?

Theory is one thing, but living with defeat is quite another when you know that what you're currently enjoying is working quite well with absolutely NO CHANGES. There are already too many outside influences that I have no control over that can, and do, influence my scenarios, sometimes negatively. And, afterall, there are many clubs to experiment with tactics where one does not soil one's own nest. I DO NOT want to foul-up a good thing just to see if the alternative could be...what??? better???? Not possible under the current circumstances with some!!!

I WILL employ the Cabronish tactics with my little manipulator in El Prestige. Lets experiment there first. That should demonstrate whether the Cabronish methods will work for me there. I have already tried everything else with her.

So, what do you advise...How should I play that scenario?

[MonterreyDude]

Somewhere along the line, with editing a changing stuff, I must have deleted the line that said more or less "your style is being soft and gentlemanish to the girls".
That's it. Your style is that one. No changes are available, but adjusting a little to the side of the girls is possible.

No, one thing to be realized is that you, USB will not be able from one day to another change to a real "cabron" guy.
We have discussed this over the years, that your original style works really good for you. Really, really good.
Specially when you modified your aproach with the cookies.
But you have becomed a little overconfident with this aproach. You think it's fool proof and that it will work with ALL the girls.
That's mistake #1.
Mistake #2 is that is once you establish a rapport with the girl, you think you've done the job. You broke the ice... and that's not true.
You've established rapport but that doesn't mean at all you have control of the situation. None
The other way around: You have failed to notice the girl controling you.
(This aplies to the Prestrige N girl and the one you paid salida at the Harem, the one I openly told you right in front of her that she was not worth it).

This is why you are dissapointed, cause it use to give you good results.
This is my point, you are overconfident that your approach works.
And YES, your approach works, but you have forgotten to pay attention to the mechanics of it.




Are you saying, then, that I should try your ways in all circumstances with ALL of my girls? So, you think that if I do, the outcome will be better for me? Or, will it sabotage me in some, and prove me successful in others? You see, there are some girls where I agree with you, and there are some girls where I disagree with you.

Simply put, I do not want such experimentation to negatively influence circumstances where I am sooooo successful currently, where I am in absolute paradise with certain ones of them NOW...that's the bottom line.

If I try your tactics, you are guaranteeing that I will be MORE successful with the ones that I am already successful with, successful in my wildest dreams, right?

Theory is one thing, but living with defeat is quite another when you know that what you're currently enjoying is working quite well with absolutely NO CHANGES. Afterall, there are many clubs to experiment with tactics where one does not soil one's own nest. I DO NOT want to foul-up a good thing just to see if the alternative could be...what??? better???? Not possible in current circumstances!!!

[El Cabron 007]

Bob, I will try to answer your points one at a time:

1) Yes, Sweet P does in fact have legitimate feelings for me. It's been 3 years now. I took her on salida when she first started working. I've become a known figure with her family. She replies to her mom, sister and friends that she is with her husband and they all understand it's Wasted.

Now get this: She is now asking if she can come home with me. She is going to look into getting a visa. .... we'll see what will happen. I am not taking this issue too seriously. She is not the first and she will not be the last. Besides, I am almost confident she will not get a visa.

I abandoned her a couple of times and she always comes back.

Now this time, she really lost the war because she returned after she asked me to act like we never met. She cannot use that card again.

2) Lady J loves me. She never let me down and never ever bail out on a date. She showers me with affection and she 'claims' I am the only she is seeing now. Bullshit.

3) Yes, I would employ this method ... as in same fashion .. with my wife. As a matter of fact, this is probably why we have been together for so long. I am extremely good to her but she knows better not to get me angry.

4) I guarantee you this: If you try this at home ... I mean Infinito, you will fall flat on your face. You did before. It's like watch someone drive and saying "hey, I can do that" but all you've been watching is how to handle the steering wheel.

Carlos and I team up on the girls. We help each other out. We up-talk each other to the girls. We tell them they would be fools if they do not hold on to us because they will not find a better customer. It works. Most of the time. Of course it does not work when Carlos has his eyes on the girl I want. That son of a fish.



5) Entertaining you said? You bet. Carlos sat down to watch fire fireworks and then lived it when he became the messenger. And when at Infinito, drama filled the club that night. All the girls knew and the manager forced her to set with me. All the while I was enjoying watching evens fold and watching the results of my actions. Down to asking her if she was going to pay for the candy she chose. The fun part was watching Sweet P come down the stage with a blush. I did not think she could blush. She did not blush when I told the hotel front desk that my toilet was plugged because she took a big dump. I think It was Carlos who used it last thou.

Yes, it's fun. I admit that Sweet P's feelings were hurt. But I am sure she's very happy now since she got me to pay for half her hair extension.

So no. Don't do it.




1) .....it does not prove that your "P" girl doesn't have legitimate feelings for you, .....

2) When I assess the sincerity of your P girl versus Lady J, just in their respective demeanors, I sense that Lady J lacks the depth of sincerity that I sense in your P girl.

3) Would you employ those same methods with a loving wife or girlfriend, and expect the relationship to flourish under those same conditions? The answer is a resounding NO!

4) If I try your tactics, you are guaranteeing that I will be MORE successful with the ones that I am already successful with, successful in my wildest dreams, right?

5) And...entertaining....:-)))

[Member #3453]

Bob, I will try to answer your points one at a time:

Well, guys, Carlos and WastedG, I am willing to try it with my N girl at Prestige. I know better than to change my spots with the girls I am successful with now. They like me for the way I am to them, and I do not want to burst that bubble. Obviously, why change what works. But, in cases where certain tactics of mine are not working, I have nothing to lose.

So, guys, give me exact recommendations. When I see the N girl next, how should I play it?

WastedG, while you're there, have Carlos introduce you to my N girl and make an assessment. Give me your best advise. I'll try it. On the N girl, I have nothing to lose.

[El Cabron 007]

Didn't the both of us, Carlos and I, just say, "Don't do it"? ;-)

But anyways, that N girl? I already know her and I already had my way with her. But ... she would be a perfect target to practice on. Although I strongly believe you will not be able to do it. You are too nice of a guy. This is besides the fact that Prestige girls are too tough to get under control. They expect you to by them cars and SUV's. My regular "V" just returned to work after she has been with a client for a few months already. He bought her a car. And Fernanda at Obsession? She got an SUV. These girls expect something besides being the cabron. They want the rich carbon that will buy them a car.

So far, I managed to get 4 Prestige girl out and a couple of the Obsession. And to tell you the truth, it was effortless. I recall the first time I had Fernanda. I did not ask for her again. Since then on, when I walk into the club, she yells out and screams my name and does not leave my side until she finally got the hint.

The other one, if you recall my Monterrey dream girl, it took me forever to get her to come to my hotel. When she finally did, she was coming over every night and had become X girl's squeeze.

Last 2, one was Carlos' little young hot one. But she came only because Carlos gave her permission. Still, that stinker Carlos made her feel so guilty she begged for forgiveness... all because he was being a cabron.

When RTW came down for the first time, I helped him take one Obsession girl out, if you recall, on the same day they met. She showed up to everyone's surprise and to also get in deep trouble because she was seen with him.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.



Well, guys, Carlos and WastedG, I am willing to try it with my N girl at Prestige. I know better than to change my spots with the girls I am successful with now. They like me for the way I am to them, and I do not want to burst that bubble. Obviously, why change what works. But, in cases where certain tactics of mine are not working, I have nothing to lose.

So, guys, give me exact recommendations. When I see the N girl next, how should I play it?

WastedG, while you're there, have Carlos introduce you to my N girl and make an assessment. Give me your best advise. I'll try it. On the N girl, I have nothing to lose.

[Member #3453]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Angry Girl is one of the girls that likes (and I repeat, "likes") to be treated rough/QUOTE]

Remember one thing...You knew Angry Girl when she was a DRUG ADDICT. She is not that way, not really. Remember, I knew her long before the drugs ruined her. It was obvious to me that the drugs altered her personality. The last time I saw her, she was no longer the "Angry Girl," but behaved as her old self.

Drugs do that. I hope she stays off them.

[MonterreyDude]

May I kindly ask what the hell is this: "My angel plays an innocent but emotionally painful game with me, devouring me for her own gratification in the moment, never really intending to hurt me, she not even realizing the extent of the damage she inflicts upon me emotionally, pain resulting from the intensity of her affections, and the sudden withdrawal so harshly imposed by our geography apart."

Do you read what you write?
This is plain evidence that the girls, not "girl".... girls, have YOU under control, not the other way around.

You should care less what they do to you.
You should care less what they think of you.
They should care what you can do to them.
They should care what you think of them.

You need to stop wanting them and them knowing that.
That is your weakness.
And that opening has been exploited by the girls fully.



I was supposed to come down to Monterrey soon, but I have not even purchased my plane tickets, realizing that for each day I see "her," I will suffer thirty days of pure hell afterward, being taunted over the bliss I experienced for one or two days, and being made acutely aware of her absence the rest of the month, missing her attentions like no other for the thirty days I am isolated back in the US.

My angel plays an innocent but emotionally painful game with me, devouring me for her own gratification in the moment, never really intending to hurt me, she not even realizing the extent of the damage she inflicts upon me emotionally, pain resulting from the intensity of her affections, and the sudden withdrawal so harshly imposed by our geography apart.

Some of the girls play the game with malice, some with purely financial motivations, some for fun...She plays the game with other motivations in mind I believe, but oblivious to the consequences she inflicts on me resulting from the intensity of her affections, made with love and sincerity, but the consequences of which she is totally oblivious to.

I can tolerate, and even enjoy, the girls that knowingly play their routine games with me. It's the ones, like my Angel, that are sincere in their affections. Their affections are like endless torture that follows me back to the US each time I visit Monterrey.

You are right...I am not the Cabron. Perhaps this "softy" should just stay here in the vast wasteland to work on casting off this monkey on his back.

[Member #3453]

May I kindly ask...

Yes, of course, you may kindly ask...:-))) But, you are wrong in your assessment of me.

My scenario with Angel Girl is like someone pulled back the curtain on the wizard of Oz. I had such a romantic and legitimized hybrid GFE thing going with her. It was, and could possibly still be. But, the emotional torture...You do not realize the extent of my sacrifice in bringing about this kind of scenario...the emotional cost to me is tremendous.

ONE girl has my heart, Angel Girl, that's IT! I could NOT CARE LESS about the rest of them, period. One girl holds the key to what motivates me, not any of the rest of them. The rest of them have NO influence on me whatsoever. Watch how quickly I return for the "REST OF THEM." How much power do you think the rest of them possess if I choose to remain here in the States?

But, there are other alternatives...

I contemplate the use of that free voucher airline ticket from Continental...$500 bucks to be used to go anywhere I choose...and, time is running out for Monterrey.

[El Cabron 007]

We are still talking about a paying customer and a sex provider relationship, right?

To tell you the truth, I wanted to say a hooker but I thought that would be rude. But come on. Why fool ourselves? Yes, They are cute little hookers. Our regular girls are cute little hookers. And we are the paying customers.

This is whom we are talking about, right?





ONE girl has my heart, Angel Girl, that's IT! I could NOT CARE LESS about the rest of them, period. One girl holds the key to what motivates me, not any of the rest of them. The rest of them have NO influence on me whatsoever. Watch how quickly I return for the "REST OF THEM." How much power do you think the rest of them possess if I choose to remain here in the States?

But, there are other alternatives...

I contemplate the use of that free voucher airline ticket from Continental...$500 bucks to be used to go anywhere I choose...and, time is running out for Monterrey.

[MonterreyDude]

Unspongebob mentioned the Maxi forte pills some posts ago, the generic version of Viagra being sold by the generic drugstores of the downtown area.

I gave them a try, bought a bottle of 4 pills a couple of weeks ago.
Cost,, 180 pesos, half the cost of the same amount of blue pills.
For starters, they come in a bottle several sizes to large for just 4 pills.
The pills are yellow, larger than the 50 mg Viagra dose but not big enough to choke on them.
I defintly liked the price and also I liked cause they are easy to cut (with a pill cutter), much more than Viagra, which I always tended to split them in to damn irregular shapes of different sizes.

I noticed that the yellow formula hits you faster than the blue one.
Under subjective consideration, Tweety Bird pills seem to be a tiny less time efective than the Smurf pill counterparts.
Not much... I don't know.
You know, it depends on what you have eaten, etc.

Strength.... same.
No complaint on that.

Would buy them again over Viagra... yes.

[Member #3453]

An interesting, but relevant piece of history...

Some might think that the word hooker comes from the idea that they are "hooking" their clients, etc...But, the original origins of the use of the word actually were popularized in association with Maj. Gen. Joseph "Fighting Joe" Hooker (1814-79) during the US civil war.

Popular stories attribute the word hooker to the general Hooker in several different ways; sometimes it is said that his men were especially desirous of prostitutes when on leave, and sometimes one hears that Hooker actually let his men keep prostitutes in the barracks.

Some historians have suggested that hooker was, if not coined, at least popularized during the Civil War, and that our general was indeed the cause of this popularization.

The true origin of hooker seems to be the earlier verb hook meaning 'to entice; swindle', and the agent suffix -er, with hooker thus meaning literally 'a person that entices; a swindler'.

I can say that my Angel does not, not in any way, swindle me. She delivers sincerely felt love and affection to me. Sometimes I pay her, sometimes I do not. In our circumstance, therefore, that is not a hooker. Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?...of course not. To us, they are not hookers, they are amigovias. We pay them, sometimes, just as we pay for everything else in this world, for time and effort. The girls simply can not afford, financially, to spend their time with us otherwise. I have contemplated this long and hard, and I've concluded that just because we pay them, it does not mean they don't want to be there, nor does it mean that we are nothing more to them than income. I simply do not believe that. My angel, and a select few others, have dispelled that theory so often that it is simply no longer a doubt in my mind.

But, the financial demands that are a part of everyday life do not go away just because there is sincere love, friendship, affection, and attachment. Consider this, would your wife stay with you if you threw her out on the sidewalk, paid for nothing, and if you acted toward her as though she were manipulating you, in it only for the money and security of your nest? Of course not.

Certainly, one should not compare our relationships with our girls with the commitment of our wives. But, we should also not unfairly categorize our best girls, ones that demonstrate their own brand of commitment to us, as merely hookers, there only because of the money. That is not accurate either. Our girls are somewhere between the crack***** hooker and our wives, in varying degrees, according to their own feelings and attachments to us. My best girls are along the spectrum, in varying degrees, some closer to wifey, some further away from wifey, but my Angel Girl is much closer to a positioning nearer my wife than a crack***** hooker, certainly.

My relationship with Angel Girl is complicated. I realize that I can expect no more of her, and I am really comforted by the knowledge that she is there for me, there for me with her sincerity of affection. Simply put, to patronize a typical hooker in place of her would be a total and complete disappointment. Therefore, in my mind, she is something much more than a hooker, and I also know that in her mind, I am something much more than a client. That is pretty special, and it comforts us both, knowing there is legitimate caring for each other, she more than a hooker, I more than a client, but even something more than just friends.


We are still talking about a paying customer and a sex provider relationship, right?

To tell you the truth, I wanted to say a hooker but I thought that would be rude. But come on. Why fool ourselves? Yes, They are cute little hookers. Our regular girls are cute little hookers. And we are the paying customers.

This is whom we are talking about, right?

[Member #3453]

I noticed that they are not seemingly quite as consistent in the way they work. Did you find that to be true as well, Carlos? As you indicated, there seems to be either a delay, or even an inconsistent potency issue with them on occasion.

I agree that they're easier to cut, and I notice too that they're pretty mild, in the sense that they do not cause the terrible side effects of the 100mg Viagra. Even when you cut the 100mg Viagra into pieces, you will still get some really uncomfortable sinus and headache issues, and even some heartburn.

Carlos recommended that I try cutting the 50mg tablets into halves, and that does work quite well to reduce the side effects, almost no sinus or headache issues, no heartburn. And, I think that possibly the little yellow pills might even produce less than the side effects of the 50mg Viagra pill. But, sometimes, the yellow pills seem just slightly less effective in comparison to Viagra. I also notice that Cialis is slightly less effective for me than Viagra as well.

My only apprehension at taking the yellow pill is whether they're manufacturer is as consistent as Pfizer in their formulation mix, relative to consistent performance. Does anybody know where the yellow pills are manufactured? I guess that is always somewhat of a concern. With Viagra, I am little more confident they are safe, and even though the yellow pills are cheaper, I find myself still wanting to use the 50mg Viagra if given the choice.

Viagra just seems a little more reliably consistent in performance for me based on my early, and still inconclusive, testing.


Unspongebob mentioned the Maxi forte pills some posts ago, the generic version of Viagra being sold by the generic drugstores of the downtown area.

I gave them a try, bought a bottle of 4 pills a couple of weeks ago.
Cost,, 180 pesos, half the cost of the same amount of blue pills.
For starters, they come in a bottle several sizes to large for just 4 pills.
The pills are yellow, larger than the 50 mg Viagra dose but not big enough to choke on them.
I defintly liked the price and also I liked cause they are easy to cut (with a pill cutter), much more than Viagra, which I always tended to split them in to damn irregular shapes of different sizes.

I noticed that the yellow formula hits you faster than the blue one.
Under subjective consideration, Tweety Bird pills seem to be a tiny less time efective than the Smurf pill counterparts.
Not much... I don't know.
You know, it depends on what you have eaten, etc.

Strength.... same.
No complaint on that.

Would buy them again over Viagra... yes.

[MonterreyDude]

The key word here is "slightly".

The difference is noticable, but at the same time am sure you take them after eating something.
Depending on what you eat, makes that difference.

Iam satisfied with the Tweety Bird pills... specially pricewise.

PS: the correct name of the pills is "Maxifort"




I noticed that they are not seemingly quite as consistent in the way they work. Did you find that to be true as well, Carlos? As you indicated, there seems to be either a delay, or even an inconsistent potency issue with them on occasion.

I agree that they're easier to cut, and I notice too that they're pretty mild, in the sense that they do not cause the terrible side effects of the 100mg Viagra. Even when you cut the 100mg Viagra into pieces, you will still get some really uncomfortable sinus and headache issues, and even some heartburn.

Carlos recommended that I try cutting the 50mg tablets into halves, and that does work quite well to reduce the side effects, almost no sinus or headache issues, no heartburn. And, I think that possibly the little yellow pills might even produce less than the side effects of the 50mg Viagra pill. But, sometimes, the yellow pills seem just slightly less effective in comparison to Viagra. I also notice that Cialis is slightly less effective for me than Viagra as well.

My only apprehension at taking the yellow pill is whether they're manufacturer is as consistent as Pfizer in their formulation mix, relative to consistent performance. Does anybody know where the yellow pills are manufactured? I guess that is always somewhat of a concern. With Viagra, I am little more confident they are safe, and even though the yellow pills are cheaper, I find myself still wanting to use the 50mg Viagra if given the choice.

Viagra just seems a little more reliably consistent in performance for me based on my early, and still inconclusive, testing.

[Prokofiev]

" Some might think that the word hooker comes from the idea that they are "hooking" their clients, etc...But, the original origins of the use of the word actually were popularized in association with Maj. Gen. Joseph "Fighting Joe" Hooker (1814-79) during the US civil war "

Bob - That's just urban legend . . . American urban legend. The term HOOKER was used 20-30 years at least before the US Civil War, both in England and the US.

Maybe it became more popular here in the US due to his name, but it existed long before.


From WiKi . . .

" Despite Hooker's reputation as a hard-drinking ladies' man, there is no basis for the popular legend that the slang term for prostitutes is derived from his last name because of parties and a lack of military discipline at his headquarters. Some versions of the legend claim that the band of prostitutes that followed his division were derisively referred to as "General Hooker's Army" or "Hooker's Brigade. Another version claims that Hooker used to keep a band of "soiled doves" in camp, and whenever a stranger to the camp asked a soldier about the identity of these women, he was told "They're Hooker's."[citation needed] However, the term "hooker" was used in print as early as 1845, years before Hooker was a public figure. The prevalence of the Hooker legend may have been at least partly responsible for the popularity of the term. "

[Member #3453]

What first put me on to this was...I was in a hotel on business watching TV Monday night, and on comes a documentary about prostitution and the Civil War. Imagine, a program solely about that subject. Imagine that...what will they think of next?

Of course, they related the stories of General Hooker, and they also made claims that the term originated with him. Historically, I also knew that was not the case as I am a bit of a history buff myself.

You are quite correct that the term was not coined through the exploits of General Hooker, but it is believed that the use of the term in the US was popularized during the Civil War due to Hooker's notoriety, and the scandalous sensationalism of the time.

You ARE paying attention... :-)


Bob - That's just urban legend . . . American urban legend. The term HOOKER was used 20-30 years at least before the US Civil War, both in England and the US.

[El Cabron 007]

OK Bob. Here are the facts:

1-My Sweet P is a hooker.
2-My Lady J is a hooker.
3-My Crunchy S is a crunchy hooker.
4-My Slutty S is a slutty hooker.
5-My non-working 18 y/o girl (NON WORKING) is a non-working hooker.
6-My 18 y/o Brenda from a non SC bar is a damn hot hot hooker.
7-My Monterrey 'dream come true' hottest girl in Monterrey is a hooker.
8-Every single girl that works in the club and gets paid for sex is a hooker.

Sweet P stands with her hand on her hip and puts out her other hand "Wasted, dame dinero."

I have never, at any time, no way, no how, ever taken any of these girls back to my room and not pay them. I have never taken any upstairs and not pay them. Well, except for this one time when Carlos' previous hot D girl gave me my birthday gift.

"Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?..." Of course she does. I dare you not pay G girl 2 or 3 consecutive trips and make it clear that you have intentions of paying. Tell me how long she will be 'your' G girl.

Yes Bob, they are only there for the money. Maybe better company and more fun than other clients. But if I do not pay at the end of the day, I only expect to see her again when she returns to collect.

And I will never categories those girls as our wives. Not even close. I joke, even though everyone knows that Sweet P is my Monterrey wife number 1, about her being my wife. But this last trip I told her that her fake blond girlfriend is my number 2 Monterrey wife. So, if she gets angry with me again, I will instantly replace her with her close girlfriend.

When I was labeling each of the girls, I labeled Sweet P as my number 1 wife and my Crunchy S as my ****. She asked me if she was my number 1 ****.

Come on Bob. Wake up and smell the fish. We can get as close as we can to those girl, that will not change the fact that they are still hookers. We may get used to the idea and start justifying the ends because of the needs, but they are still hookers. We could sincerely care for those girls but that will not change the fact that ..... if we do not pay them, they will be saying "Next ..."

At one point, Sweet P was so relaxed and worry free with me that she excused herself from my table so she can go service a mufo who has been waiting for her. I told that she has 2 options. She can leave but to never come back or if she does not leave to never ever repeat this stupidly sickening mistake again. She could not stop thinking and acting like a hooker. Oh, and she stayed.

What the hell do you call a girl who dances naked on stage with about 75 drunk hoodlums groping her and when she's done, some of those mufos line up waiting to take her upstairs?



I can say that my Angel does not, not in any way, swindle me. She delivers sincerely felt love and affection to me. Sometimes I pay her, sometimes I do not. In our circumstance, therefore, that is not a hooker. Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?...of course not. To us, they are not hookers, they are amigovias. We pay them, sometimes, just as we pay for everything else in this world, for time and effort. The girls simply can not afford, financially, to spend their time with us otherwise. I have contemplated this long and hard, and I've concluded that just because we pay them, it does not mean they don't want to be there, nor does it mean that we are nothing more to them than income. I simply do not believe that. My angel, and a select few others, have dispelled that theory so often that it is simply no longer a doubt in my mind.

But, we should also not unfairly categorize our best girls, ones that demonstrate their own brand of commitment to us, as merely hookers, there only because of the money. That is not accurate either. Our girls are somewhere between the crack***** hooker and our wives, in varying degrees, according to their own feelings and attachments to us. My best girls are along the spectrum, in varying degrees, some closer to wifey, some further away from wifey, but my Angel Girl is much closer to a positioning nearer my wife than a crack***** hooker, certainly.

[Member #3453]

Check out my response in the USB Section...


OK Bob. Here are the facts:

1-My Sweet P is a hooker.
2-My Lady J is a hooker.
3-My Crunchy S is a crunchy hooker.
4-My Slutty S is a slutty hooker.
5-My non-working 18 y/o girl (NON WORKING) is a non-working hooker.
6-My 18 y/o Brenda from a non SC bar is a damn hot hot hooker.
7-My Monterrey 'dream come true' hottest girl in Monterrey is a hooker.
8-Every single girl that works in the club and gets paid for sex is a hooker.

Sweet P stands with her hand on her hip and puts out her other hand "Wasted, dame dinero."

I have never, at any time, no way, no how, ever taken any of these girls back to my room and not pay them. I have never taken any upstairs and not pay them. Well, except for this one time when Carlos' previous hot D girl gave me my birthday gift.

"Do you feel that your P girl swindles you, Wasted?..." Of course she does. I dare you not pay G girl 2 or 3 consecutive trips and make it clear that you have intentions of paying. Tell me how long she will be 'your' G girl.

Yes Bob, they are only there for the money. Maybe better company and more fun than other clients. But if I do not pay at the end of the day, I only expect to see her again when she returns to collect.

And I will never categories those girls as our wives. Not even close. I joke, even though everyone knows that Sweet P is my Monterrey wife number 1, about her being my wife. But this last trip I told her that her fake blond girlfriend is my number 2 Monterrey wife. So, if she gets angry with me again, I will instantly replace her with her close girlfriend.

When I was labeling each of the girls, I labeled Sweet P as my number 1 wife and my Crunchy S as my ****. She asked me if she was my number 1 ****.

Come on Bob. Wake up and smell the fish. We can get as close as we can to those girl, that will not change the fact that they are still hookers. We may get used to the idea and start justifying the ends because of the needs, but they are still hookers. We could sincerely care for those girls but that will not change the fact that ..... if we do not pay them, they will be saying "Next ..."

At one point, Sweet P was so relaxed and worry free with me that she excused herself from my table so she can go service a mufo who has been waiting for her. I told that she has 2 options. She can leave but to never come back or if she does not leave to never ever repeat this stupidly sickening mistake again. She could not stop thinking and acting like a hooker. Oh, and she stayed.

What the hell do you call a girl who dances naked on stage with about 75 drunk hoodlums groping her and when she's done, some of those mufos line up waiting to take her upstairs?

[Doubt98]

Does anyone have an opinion of the Crowne Plaza downtown? I doubt it's girl friendly but what about the location and that stuff?

[MonterreyDude]

Yep, it ain't girl friendly.
You'd need to have a car to park downstairs and jump directly into the elevator and then your floor.
Security is right there at the doors of the elevators.

Ok, location and stuff.
It's on my Google Map.
The link's on the #7 post on Reports of Distinction .
It's in the hotel district, that places you not walking distance from the clubs but a taxi ride away.
The clubs close to the CP are the Spugna and the Reno, which are rippoffs.
The hotel is good, they have an incredible Sunday lunch buffet.
The Lobby Bar is legendary cause on Fridays and Saturdays you can pick civilian girls there.
But that brings us back to square one... you can't take them to the room.

A much better hotel choice is the Sheraton Ambassador, but am sure you mention the CP cause you have points to cash????





Does anyone have an opinion of the Crowne Plaza downtown? I doubt it's girl friendly but what about the location and that stuff?

[Doubt98]

Yes I do have points. And the Sunday buffet is incredible? Cool. On the web site they are offering a deal for 5000 points a night. I think that is about 15000 off the normal.

I pulled it up off your map earlier. That map is a stroke of genius! Thanks again for all your work. You've been working on perfecting a map for a while now. I think you've done it.

[MonterreyDude]

You are lucky cause am going to start charging for the map!

No really, the Sundy lunch buffete IS incredible.




Yes I do have points. And the Sunday buffet is incredible? Cool. On the web site they are offering a deal for 5000 points a night. I think that is about 15000 off the normal.

I pulled it up off your map earlier. That map is a stroke of genius! Thanks again for all your work. You've been working on perfecting a map for a while now. I think you've done it.

[MonterreyDude]

I tried a different dosage of the Maxifort pills, the Tweety Bird ones.

Tried half a pill and yes, in less than half an hour I couldn't stand from the seat at the club cause I looked awkward pointing thru my pants.
That means it hits faster and effectively than Smurf ones
Again, how much they last... dunno. The effect lingers but there is a point that "lingers" mixes with my normal super macho capacities, so I just don't know which is which.

NOW... something I noticed this time.
I posted that they cut easily.
This TIME... they crumbled when split. So I ended with more waste than last time I tried cutting them.




The key word here is "slightly".

The difference is noticable, but at the same time am sure you take them after eating something.
Depending on what you eat, makes that difference.

Iam satisfied with the Tweety Bird pills... specially pricewise.

PS: the correct name of the pills is "Maxifort"

[Member #3453]

I tried half a pill of the tweety bird pill as well, but it did not have that same kind of effect as you experienced. It was perfectly effective, but I did not have an uncontrollable hard-on. You must have also had some additional effective stimulus there to help it along. Unfortunately, here in the wilderness of the heartland, we have NO strip clubs to serve as a more thorough testing ground for such things.

Actually, I recall thinking that the half dosage of the tweety bird pill really did not cause the flushing or the warming sensation I sometimes get with the half dosage of the 50Mg Viagra. The 50Mg half dosage of Viagra is actually quite mild, and it seems to work really well most of the time. But, I sometimes still sense a little flushing from it, and sometimes I also sense that I might need the full 50Mg to be the stud we all know I CAN be :-)))). I believe it produces a slightly more consistently stronger erection than the tweety bird pill however. I supposed it just depends on the circumstances of your body at the time, ie: taking it on full stomach, being tired, ugly tall wide girl :-))) etc...

But, Carlos, I can not thank you enough for your recommendation to reduce to the 50Mg Viagra tablet. That makes life much more comfortable. There have been times that I thought that the after effects of cutting the 100Mg tablet, even into fourths, was simply not worth the headache and sinus pressure, even at 1/4 dosages.

I'll test out some more of the tweety bird pills at 1/2 dosage as well and report accordingly, but so far, it seems even milder than the Viagra with respect to after effects, and at a reduced cost. Because, I remember thinking that going to a 50Mg Viagra tablet was going to be quite a bit more costly than buying the 100Mg tablets and cutting them up. So, if the tweety bird tablets work as well, the cost issue is moot, and the tweety bird tablet will have won my endorsement.


I tried a different dosage of the Maxifort pills, the Tweety Bird ones.

Tried half a pill and yes, in less than half an hour I couldn't stand from the seat at the club cause I looked awkward pointing thru my pants.
That means it hits faster and effectively than Smurf ones
Again, how much they last... dunno. The effect lingers but there is a point that "lingers" mixes with my normal super macho capacities, so I just don't know which is which.

NOW... something I noticed this time.
I posted that they cut easily.
This TIME... they crumbled when split. So I ended with more waste than last time I tried cutting them.

[MonterreyDude]

That is true, proportionately speaking, 50 mg Viagra is more expensive than the 100 mg.

By the way, is there a generic presentation of Cialis just like Maxifort is for Viagra???




I tried half a pill of the tweety bird pill as well, but it did not have that same kind of effect as you experienced. It was perfectly effective, but I did not have an uncontrollable hard-on. You must have also had some additional effective stimulus there to help it along. Unfortunately, here in the wilderness of the heartland, we have NO strip clubs to serve as a more thorough testing ground for such things.

Actually, I recall thinking that the half dosage of the tweety bird pill really did not cause the flushing or the warming sensation I sometimes get with the half dosage of the 50Mg Viagra. The 50Mg half dosage of Viagra is actually quite mild, and it seems to work really well most of the time. But, I sometimes still sense a little flushing from it, and sometimes I also sense that I might need the full 50Mg to be the stud we all know I CAN be :-)))). I believe it produces a slightly more consistently stronger erection than the tweety bird pill however. I supposed it just depends on the circumstances of your body at the time, ie: taking it on full stomach, being tired, ugly tall wide girl :-))) etc...

But, Carlos, I can not thank you enough for your recommendation to reduce to the 50Mg Viagra tablet. That makes life much more comfortable. There have been times that I thought that the after effects of cutting the 100Mg tablet, even into fourths, was simply not worth the headache and sinus pressure, even at 1/4 dosages.

I'll test out some more of the tweety bird pills at 1/2 dosage as well and report accordingly, but so far, it seems even milder than the Viagra with respect to after effects, and at a reduced cost. Because, I remember thinking that going to a 50Mg Viagra tablet was going to be quite a bit more costly than buying the 100Mg tablets and cutting them up. So, if the tweety bird tablets work as well, the cost issue is moot, and the tweety bird tablet will have won my endorsement.

[Member #3453]

I tried the half portion of the tweety pill again, uh, quite recently. It is soooo mild. I am really impressed with that part of it. I really hated the after effects of the 100Mg Viagra that it was enough to swear off sex....well, sometimes.

I mean, who wants to simultaneously know that you have the bliss of sex to look forward to, only to also realize that you will have to endure the discomfort of having taken the smurf pill along with it. I mean, nobody looks forward to a headache, heartburn, sinus condition, and nasal pressure, no matter how damn good my Angel might have made our time together, right? And, there were times where several hours of sex, even the most blissful sex imaginable, was no trade for an entire night of payback discomfort. I refer to the 100Mg cut in sections.

And, while I do think the 50Mg Viagra is stronger and more consistent acting than the tweety bird pill, thereby yielding a very consistent and effective hard-on, more so than the tweety bird pill, the after effects of the tweety bird pill seem to be worth my being just slightly less of a stud, certainly less than I know I can potentially be with Viagra, just in order to be virtually side effect free with tweety. :-) I theorize that it is because the pills are larger, cut with some other substance, that the effect is somehow minimized compared to the 50Mg Viagra. Maybe there's some kind of buffering agent in there. So, the pill being larger may play an important benefit that Viagra should consider. The chemical content of the pills is supposed to be the exact same chemical.

With respect to the Cialis replacement, I was not told of a Cialis replacement when I picked mine up. Cialis is really inconsistent for me. I always have doubts about it lasting as long as it is advertised to last. I am always concerned that it might fizzle out right when I need it most. It is supposed to last 36 hours. It seems it lasts closer to maybe 24 hours, or possibly even less sometimes. Whereas, at least with Viagra, I can feel it working. And, even with the tweety bird Viagra generic, I can still feel some sensation, although, thankfully, ever so slight a sensation.




That is true, proportionately speaking, 50 mg Viagra is more expensive than the 100 mg.

By the way, is there a generic presentation of Cialis just like Maxifort is for Viagra???

[Cpalace82]

Hey guys,

Have you guys ever been duped by a Mexican girl, I found a shocker today I was surfing the web and came across these pics funny thing is these are some of the ones she pass on as her self. I attached one she sent me that looked pretty genuine.

http://galleries2.ftvcash.com/First-Time-Video/galleries/Alexa/X/58/791695

[Member #3453]

The real question should have been, "have you ever NOT been duped by a Mexican girl." The two words, "duped" and "Mexicana" are synonymous with one another.

Looks like a pro to me....But, honestly, even if she is a solid pro, the whole California thing, the Egyptian and Latin thing all mixed together, I'm just not sure if your gettin' the real deal with respect to a true Latina.

My rule of thumb is if they've been in the US over 6 months they're spoiled goods. :-))) And without the influence of a true Latin background with respect to cultural influences, I just doubt if you'll enjoy the full measure of the potential Latina experience.

Actually, WastedG may have a better feel for the depravity of Middle Eastern Girls, ie: Egyptian, even though, of course, I also realize there are vast differences with respect to cultural influences in that part of the World. But, none the less, WastedG, comment on the Middle Eastern Girl experience versus our beloved Mexicanas. I anticipate your reply to be most interesting. I have literally never engaged in such flesh, and have always wondered...

But, CPalance, in looking at the photos, it sure looks like her. Actually, the girl in the photo, versus the girl depicted in the website, looks more enticing to me, friendly, genuine, personality, beautiful smile, etc...Her potentially enchanting personality comes through in the lone photo. She could dupe me with the best of them with that smile. Best of luck!


Hey guys,

Have you guys ever been duped by a Mexican girl, I found a shocker today I was surfing the web and came across these pics funny thing is these are some of the ones she pass on as her self. I attached one she sent me that looked pretty genuine.

http://galleries2.ftvcash.com/First-Time-Video/galleries/Alexa/X/58/791695

[Cpalace82]

I looked at the girls website, and all the ones she sent me are from the website, so I dont know what the deal is its odd because why would you take the chance to fly out to see a guy when its not you in the pics makes no sense to me.

Thanks though man.


The real question should have been, "have you ever NOT been duped by a Mexican girl." The two words, "duped" and "Mexicana" are synonymous with one another.

Looks like a pro to me....But, honestly, even if she is a solid pro, the whole California thing, the Egyptian and Latin thing all mixed together, I'm just not sure if your gettin' the real deal with respect to a true Latina.

My rule of thumb is if they've been in the US over 6 months they're spoiled goods. :-))) And without the influence of a true Latin background with respect to cultural influences, I just doubt if you'll enjoy the full measure of the potential Latina experience.

Actually, WastedG may have a better feel for the depravity of Middle Eastern Girls, ie: Egyptian, even though, of course, I also realize there are vast differences with respect to cultural influences in that part of the World. But, none the less, WastedG, comment on the Middle Eastern Girl experience versus our beloved Mexicanas. I anticipate your reply to be most interesting. I have literally never engaged in such flesh, and have always wondered...

But, CPalance, in looking at the photos, it sure looks like her. Actually, the girl in the photo, versus the girl depicted in the website, looks more enticing to me, friendly, genuine, personality, beautiful smile, etc...Her potentially enchanting personality comes through in the lone photo. She could dupe me with the best of them with that smile. Best of luck!

[Super Gato]

AmigoMio was kind enough to give me the grand tour of his city when I was in Monterrey last week. He is well known by the ladies and the meseros at all of the bars we went to. We hit the familiar places and he pointed out the various alphabet girls of Bob and Wasted and he kept me out of trouble.

Along with guidance and his amazing Google map I felt at home when I passed through Monterrey again on Monday night. Definitely slower on Mondays than toward the weekend but still a good time.

Thank you again AmigoMio and I'll see you a lot more once the vivaAerobus service starts next month!

[MonterreyDude]

Viva Vivaerobus!!!

I'll see you Super... sorry I missed you on Monday.
I'll check on the Woman's girls... say "hi" for you.



AmigoMio was kind enough to give me the grand tour of his city when I was in Monterrey last week. He is well known by the ladies and the meseros at all of the bars we went to. We hit the familiar places and he pointed out the various alphabet girls of Bob and Wasted and he kept me out of trouble.

Along with guidance and his amazing Google map I felt at home when I passed through Monterrey again on Monday night. Definitely slower on Mondays than toward the weekend but still a good time.

Thank you again AmigoMio and I'll see you a lot more once the vivaAerobus service starts next month!

[MonterreyDude]

The Maxifort pills, the generic version of Viagra do hit hard, fast and good.

Usually I have tried them at night, so I could only see results till I went to bed.
This time I tried them at noon.
I split a couple of them, took a 1/4... in 20 minutes the thing was working so good the girl I was with kept asking after action "why is it still sticking out?".

I will NOT try half a dosage. I don't need it. It scares me to take half a pill... might end all day with a "thing" pointing thru my pants.

[Hot Dog]

I decided on my first night to start rather luckily with Poisson, ranked as a second tier establishment. It’s a pretty classic strip club with take away. Dark, loud, pretty comfortable red ? velvet type banquettes with tables around a huge dance floor at some distance from some tables, approx 120 peso (US$10) entrance fee, 35 peso for a beer. There is a rather fast, English speaking Indian here who bought girls and negotiated as intermediary. He said they had 40 girls in but I reckon the number was closer to 15 odd. I sent 2 or 3 away before settling on a perfectly acceptable quite pretty chica who initially asked $4,000 peso but rapidly reduced to US$200 possibly urged on by the Indian to whom I then agreed an overgenerous tip of US$30 for which I made him come back to the hotel to collect as I was out of cash on the deal. (He definitely needs controlling and I suggest when he first tells you the rules and he talks about tip you make it clear how much you will pay. Be clear you will not pay a percentage tip but will give him us$20 if he gets a good girl at a good price). The system here seems to be that you pay the club up front and they settle with the girl. I forgot to check how much she actually got. Take away club fee was US$ 120. Outside usual taxi scam 100 peso as opposed to 35 each way to take us to the hotel and then the Indian back. I got the impression they would have charged 100 whatever.

So to the Sheraton Ambassador where she has no ID so the desk checks with security and security checks with the desk, so we are about to enter a Mexican stand off (where on earth does that expression come from….someone?) but by this time I have bullied my way to the elevator and tell them she’s my responsibility and we are off. A quick shower and start work on the boobs and hey presto you know you got an ingénue winner when even that starts to work a head of steam. And so to DATY and in pretty short order she comes and I load her up cow girl and without much trouble she has got herself off three times and her legs are shaking and continue to do so until she’s leaving a very happy bunny!

Next day Saturday and I try to check out the 60 peso lunch buffets at Prestige, closed and then Amnesia, closed. I have a trooper for a taxi driver and without really knowing where these places are he keeps jumping out of the cab to check as we head for the massage houses Misses and then Marcella. With the rain and traffic this process takes about an hour and a half (135 pesos on the clock). Misses is actually at the back of what looks like a two car garage (prominently signed with a street number, I think 364) you go up a first flight and take first door on left. It’s pretty grubby and I saw 6 girls at 3pm. The best two were 500 pesos for massage only with in room negotiation re a covered blow job. The other 3 who were all ok ish were US$180 for 40 minutes full service. They were all ok looking but I made my excuses and left; I need a bit of romance.

Then on to Marcella which we eventually found, again at the back of a one car garage but rather better signed. Here 5 girls of whom only two acceptable and though tempted by a pretty blond? could not get the confidence that he and I understood each other. He wanted 500 pesos but what for I am not sure; he kept saying yes to full sex but I had my doubts so left, partly as I had made an arrangement with previous nights girl to come around at 7pm.

Need less to say she didn’t show up but I think she would have found dealing with the front desk stuff too daunting in any event.

So out at 9pm heading for Premiere. I misunderstood; in theory this is just a lap dancing place at 220 peso a dance, 55 peso a beer and 120 peso entrance and I thought it was a strip with take aways. Fairly ornate and grand with huge staircase and pictures but “lap dancing”, what a waste of time. About the 4th girl that came by I found very acceptable and we started negotiating from different ends of the spectrum. She looked curious when I suggested coming to my hotel and said she wasn’t allowed but to go to the “rooms” she wanted 20 dances ie about us$400 but then with agreement of a “boss” offered 10 dances to go to the room. I said how long. She was so happy at the prospect that she said all night. I kept going on about full sex and to this I think she said 15 dances but then when we went to check out the rooms upstairs they were a series of large drawing rooms and small booths each of which had a single comfortable chair; all of this open to the corridor and dimly lit. What you could or could not get away with in those booths I have no idea and wasn’t about to pay 200U.S.$ to find out. I also like to be comfortable when I’m screwing.
So went to reception to pay for the beer which clearly not the right place and in so doing met the manager who looks like a bouncer but is charming (Marcos Amaya) who ended up lending me his driver for a couple of hours to tour places more to my fancy (120 pesos). If I understood him right he said Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado were all under same management and were all lap dancing places. In hindsight I think he would have let me take my girl back to the hotel and I think she would have come for 300 U.S. Marcos was not very complementary about Casablanca on the basis it was just a brothel and he thought that Infinito’s other customers might be dangerous to my health.

So to the tour, first place I have forgotten but only had a couple of visible girls and then tried Venus Palace. This was pretty empty at 11pm ish but has pleasant white leatherette sofas around a dance floor and a clean and upmarket feel. I was leaving again for lack of girls but chased out by an English speaking smooth wheeler dealer Mexican who chatted to my guide and promised a decent girl. This he did deliver rather handsomely and then tries to persuade me to stay. They have a couple of large and strange rooms upstairs with shower and Jacuzzi and more white sofas but no bed. I can have either of these rooms for US$500 including a couple of drinks and the girl. Then he takes me downstairs to a couple of rooms on the main thoroughfare to the girls changing room. Good clean looking double beds for US$100 but it only served to remind me I had a really rather nice room at the hotel for what would only be 50 bucks more but then the money problem starts; I said max 200 US and he discussed with the girl and said 230; I said ok (she only got 200). He had said us$150 bar fine and then returns and says he has just checked the “price list” and it’s gone up to 200. He is clearly just picking numbers out of the air but this is a “forget it” offence so I prepare to leave and he goes back to consult and returns to say ok to 150. This has all taken about 30 minutes and he now tries to add up what I owe him; 230 plus 150. He can’t do this and I’m watching in amazement when he comes up with 400. I say no, it’s 380 so he says the extra is something for MY chauffeur!!! Finally having agreed 380 he says he will get a check/la quenta. 5 mins pass so now in desperation I approach the pay desk with the heavies and the boss and we eventually settle up but not without them agonizing over the mathematics.

The girl however is very attractive and a star and rather unknown to me has lots of orgasms as she said afterwards but at moment of climax she was no great finisher but pretty much went straight on to the next. The result of this was that I spent an inordinate time on the oral but she had a good time anyway.

So I ended up leaving slightly short of action and also short of any of the truly passionate encounters occasionally offered by the South Americans.

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[Member #3453]

Hot Dog,

Let me just preface these comments by saying that I appreciate your candid report, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your exploits. We need more reports like this.

What I am about to comment on is what this board was meant to address to begin with. It should not be construed as a criticism or flame in any way, but as constructive commentary to assist all that visit Monterrey. It is opinion meant to be constructive for the average visitor to enhance their experiences. It is given in that spirit.

I must honestly say that I visibly winced after almost every sentence of your post. I literally remember my first few times in Monterrey. I succumbed to a total and complete fleecing by Poisson. I once spent $500US in that club, all in a matter of about 3-4 hours maximum. So, your expenditures are not uncommon for the average visitor, especially visiting Gringos that have only the US standard from which to draw a comparison.

The important lesson to consider now is that were I to spend $500US in Monterrey now, knowing what I know after six years of visiting there regularly, I would fully expect to get a minimum of no less than probably three to four days worth of sessions for that same $500US, each at least two hours long.

Now, granted, I know the lay of the land in Monterrey better than most, and those skills yield very inexpensive session for me as a result. However, that having been said, and speaking conservatively for the average visitor, you can expect to get about two hours for a total of about $2300 pesos, including the salida fee, from most of the medium level clubs, and with girls of comparable quality to what you found at Poisson.

It pays to do the research before you arrive in Monterrey if at all possible. This is a perfect example of what you get when you patronize the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey.

Gents, take heed to the prices quoted below. And, remember, NEVER take the advice of a taxi driver.

And, one thing I believe should be clarified, something that I'm sure was simply an innocent mis-statement, that Poisson is a 2nd Tier Establishment. Poisson is one of the very top tier establishments, meaning it is one of the most expensive clubs in Monterrey. It is plush, and it is very comfortable. But, with respect to bang for the buck, it is very, very expensive in comparison to so many other options.


I decided on my first night to start rather luckily with Poisson, ranked as a second tier establishment. It’s a pretty classic strip club with take away. Dark, loud, pretty comfortable red ? velvet type banquettes with tables around a huge dance floor at some distance from some tables, approx 120 peso (US$10) entrance fee, 35 peso for a beer. There is a rather fast, English speaking Indian here who bought girls and negotiated as intermediary. He said they had 40 girls in but I reckon the number was closer to 15 odd. I sent 2 or 3 away before settling on a perfectly acceptable quite pretty chica who initially asked $4,000 peso but rapidly reduced to US$200 possibly urged on by the Indian to whom I then agreed an overgenerous tip of US$30 for which I made him come back to the hotel to collect as I was out of cash on the deal. (He definitely needs controlling and I suggest when he first tells you the rules and he talks about tip you make it clear how much you will pay. Be clear you will not pay a percentage tip but will give him us$20 if he gets a good girl at a good price). The system here seems to be that you pay the club up front and they settle with the girl. I forgot to check how much she actually got. Take away club fee was US$ 120. Outside usual taxi scam 100 peso as opposed to 35 each way to take us to the hotel and then the Indian back. I got the impression they would have charged 100 whatever.

So to the Sheraton Ambassador where she has no ID so the desk checks with security and security checks with the desk, so we are about to enter a Mexican stand off (where on earth does that expression come from….someone?) but by this time I have bullied my way to the elevator and tell them she’s my responsibility and we are off. A quick shower and start work on the boobs and hey presto you know you got an ingénue winner when even that starts to work a head of steam. And so to DATY and in pretty short order she comes and I load her up cow girl and without much trouble she has got herself off three times and her legs are shaking and continue to do so until she’s leaving a very happy bunny!

Next day Saturday and I try to check out the 60 peso lunch buffets at Prestige, closed and then Amnesia, closed. I have a trooper for a taxi driver and without really knowing where these places are he keeps jumping out of the cab to check as we head for the massage houses Misses and then Marcella. With the rain and traffic this process takes about an hour and a half (135 pesos on the clock). Misses is actually at the back of what looks like a two car garage (prominently signed with a street number, I think 364) you go up a first flight and take first door on left. It’s pretty grubby and I saw 6 girls at 3pm. The best two were 500 pesos for massage only with in room negotiation re a covered blow job. The other 3 who were all ok ish were US$180 for 40 minutes full service. They were all ok looking but I made my excuses and left; I need a bit of romance.

Then on to Marcella which we eventually found, again at the back of a one car garage but rather better signed. Here 5 girls of whom only two acceptable and though tempted by a pretty blond? could not get the confidence that he and I understood each other. He wanted 500 pesos but what for I am not sure; he kept saying yes to full sex but I had my doubts so left, partly as I had made an arrangement with previous nights girl to come around at 7pm.

Need less to say she didn’t show up but I think she would have found dealing with the front desk stuff too daunting in any event.

So out at 9pm heading for Premiere. I misunderstood; in theory this is just a lap dancing place at 220 peso a dance, 55 peso a beer and 120 peso entrance and I thought it was a strip with take aways. Fairly ornate and grand with huge staircase and pictures but “lap dancing”, what a waste of time. About the 4th girl that came by I found very acceptable and we started negotiating from different ends of the spectrum. She looked curious when I suggested coming to my hotel and said she wasn’t allowed but to go to the “rooms” she wanted 20 dances ie about us$400 but then with agreement of a “boss” offered 10 dances to go to the room. I said how long. She was so happy at the prospect that she said all night. I kept going on about full sex and to this I think she said 15 dances but then when we went to check out the rooms upstairs they were a series of large drawing rooms and small booths each of which had a single comfortable chair; all of this open to the corridor and dimly lit. What you could or could not get away with in those booths I have no idea and wasn’t about to pay 200U.S.$ to find out. I also like to be comfortable when I’m screwing.
So went to reception to pay for the beer which clearly not the right place and in so doing met the manager who looks like a bouncer but is charming (Marcos Amaya) who ended up lending me his driver for a couple of hours to tour places more to my fancy (120 pesos). If I understood him right he said Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado were all under same management and were all lap dancing places. In hindsight I think he would have let me take my girl back to the hotel and I think she would have come for 300 U.S. Marcos was not very complementary about Casablanca on the basis it was just a brothel and he thought that Infinito’s other customers might be dangerous to my health.

So to the tour, first place I have forgotten but only had a couple of visible girls and then tried Venus Palace. This was pretty empty at 11pm ish but has pleasant white leatherette sofas around a dance floor and a clean and upmarket feel. I was leaving again for lack of girls but chased out by an English speaking smooth wheeler dealer Mexican who chatted to my guide and promised a decent girl. This he did deliver rather handsomely and then tries to persuade me to stay. They have a couple of large and strange rooms upstairs with shower and Jacuzzi and more white sofas but no bed. I can have either of these rooms for US$500 including a couple of drinks and the girl. Then he takes me downstairs to a couple of rooms on the main thoroughfare to the girls changing room. Good clean looking double beds for US$100 but it only served to remind me I had a really rather nice room at the hotel for what would only be 50 bucks more but then the money problem starts; I said max 200 US and he discussed with the girl and said 230; I said ok (she only got 200). He had said us$150 bar fine and then returns and says he has just checked the “price list” and it’s gone up to 200. He is clearly just picking numbers out of the air but this is a “forget it” offence so I prepare to leave and he goes back to consult and returns to say ok to 150. This has all taken about 30 minutes and he now tries to add up what I owe him; 230 plus 150. He can’t do this and I’m watching in amazement when he comes up with 400. I say no, it’s 380 so he says the extra is something for MY chauffeur!!! Finally having agreed 380 he says he will get a check/la quenta. 5 mins pass so now in desperation I approach the pay desk with the heavies and the boss and we eventually settle up but not without them agonizing over the mathematics.

The girl however is very attractive and a star and rather unknown to me has lots of orgasms as she said afterwards but at moment of climax she was no great finisher but pretty much went straight on to the next. The result of this was that I spent an inordinate time on the oral but she had a good time anyway.

So I ended up leaving slightly short of action and also short of any of the truly passionate encounters occasionally offered by the South Americans.

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[MonterreyDude]

Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Up and down the tourist traps.
You need tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige, all in the night shift.
And you were quoted "gringo prices" all over.
Not even me as a local do I dare go without a big bundle of bills.

And Poisson is NOT the most expensive club, it's Amnesia and Premiere.

And one word of advice: never ever go to a 5 star club in a hotel cab, you will be surcharged always by the strip club.




Hot Dog,

Let me just preface these comments by saying that I appreciate your candid report, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your exploits. We need more reports like this.

What I am about to comment on is what this board was meant to address to begin with. It should not be construed as a criticism or flame in any way, but as constructive commentary to assist all that visit Monterrey. It is opinion meant to be constructive for the average visitor to enhance their experiences. It is given in that spirit.

I must honestly say that I visibly winced after almost every sentence of your post. I literally remember my first few times in Monterrey. I succumbed to a total and complete fleecing by Poisson. I once spent $500US in that club, all in a matter of about 3-4 hours maximum. So, your expenditures are not uncommon for the average visitor, especially visiting Gringos that have only the US standard from which to draw a comparison.

The important lesson to consider now is that were I to spend $500US in Monterrey now, knowing what I know after six years of visiting there regularly, I would fully expect to get a minimum of no less than probably three to four days worth of sessions for that same $500US, each at least two hours long.

Now, granted, I know the lay of the land in Monterrey better than most, and those skills yield very inexpensive session for me as a result. However, that having been said, and speaking conservatively for the average visitor, you can expect to get about two hours for a total of about $2300 pesos, including the salida fee, from most of the medium level clubs, and with girls of comparable quality to what you found at Poisson.

It pays to do the research before you arrive in Monterrey if at all possible. This is a perfect example of what you get when you patronize the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey.

Gents, take heed to the prices quoted below. And, remember, NEVER take the advice of a taxi driver.

And, one thing I believe should be clarified, something that I'm sure was simply an innocent mis-statement, that Poisson is a 2nd Tier Establishment. Poisson is one of the very top tier establishments, meaning it is one of the most expensive clubs in Monterrey. It is plush, and it is very comfortable. But, with respect to bang for the buck, it is very, very expensive in comparison to so many other options.

[El Cabron 007]

You two done?


Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Up and down the tourist traps.
You need tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige, all in the night shift.
And you were quoted "gringo prices" all over.
Not even me as a local do I dare go without a big bundle of bills.

And Poisson is NOT the most expensive club, it's Amnesia and Premiere.

And one word of advice: never ever go to a 5 star club in a hotel cab, you will be surcharged always by the strip club.

[MonterreyDude]

Wasted, you can pass along the experience you had a couple of trips back, how a Sheraton cab took you to a place you knew (Obsession) and how the cab driver charged you extra, plus he signed up at the Obsession list to get his kickback.
Remember how the hostess told us "how am I going to tell the waiters to charge you the kickback for the driver???"
How could she if you are a regular of the club.



You two done?

[El Cabron 007]

Yeah. That sucked big time. But I reported him and have not seen him since then.


Wasted, you can pass along the experience you had a couple of trips back, how a Sheraton cab took you to a place you knew (Obsession) and how the cab driver charged you extra, plus he signed up at the Obsession list to get his kickback.
Remember how the hostess told us "how am I going to tell the waiters to charge you the kickback for the driver???"
How could she if you are a regular of the club.

[Wild Bill Keith]

A few questions:

Are the Monterrey drug wars we read about in the U.S. impacting any strip clubs?

Are Infinitos and Matehuala still good? Any other nearby suggestions?

Does the Plaza del Arco remain a 'girl friendly' place?

And, Amigomio -- will you please post again where your excellent map is located?

[MonterreyDude]

Let me answer your questions:

#1. Drug wars impacting the SC in what sense? I still go there 4 times a week and regular life is normal, nowhere as close as the danger that looms at the border towns.
Check this link:

www.multimedios.tv

On the right hand side going down you'll se a link that says "Sintonizenos en Internet", there you can check the daily newsacasts going on at 6:00 am, 12:00 and 7:00pm (CST) so you can see with your own eyes that the city has the normal kind of life you can expect of a 4 million people metropolis.

By the way, Monterrey violent? Can we compare Monterrey to Chicago or the Detroit area that are far more violent that Tijuana?

#2 Infinito (not plural nor posesive sense) and Matehuala are still good, yes. The first way above the second. Recomend other places? Check my map. My favorite watering holes aside Infinito are Harem and Pasarelas on Madero Ave. but there are still more options.

#3. Plaza del Arco still girl friendly. I will be sincere. I don't know. Wasted used to stay there but has opted to move to a better hotel, sacrificing the "girl friendly" optoon in exchange of a better service.

#4. And my map can be found at the "Links to Reports of Distinction" section, post 7.




A few questions:

Are the Monterrey drug wars we read about in the U.S. impacting any strip clubs?

Are Infinitos and Matehuala still good? Any other nearby suggestions?

Does the Plaza del Arco remain a 'girl friendly' place?

And, Amigomio -- will you please post again where your excellent map is located?

[Super Gato]

www.multimedios.tv



Mutlimedios. Home of the hottie weather girls.

[MonterreyDude]

Check out this blog:

http://diosasdelclima. ********. com/


Dedicated to all the SexyWeather Girls of all the Monterrey local channels.

Check Mayte Carranco... I really love that one.




Mutlimedios. Home of the hottie weather girls.

[Super Gato]

Check out this blog:

http://diosasdelclima. ********. com/


Dedicated to all the SexyWeather Girls of all the Monterrey local channels.

Check Mayte Carranco... I really love that one.

Wow! Mayte is nice. I also like Karla Luna. And Gaby Rojas. And todas otras.

[MonterreyDude]

They did a special celebrating the Weather girl moms.

Karla Marqueda and Karla Luna are moms.
Turns out Karla Luna was pregnant at age 15. She's 27-29 right now.
Any of you can do the math...




Wow! Mayte is nice. I also like Karla Luna. And Gaby Rojas. And todas otras.

[Super Gato]

They did a special celebrating the Weather girl moms.

Karla Marqueda and Karla Luna are moms.
Turns out Karla Luna was pregnant at age 15. She's 27-29 right now.
Any of you can do the math...

So if Karla's kid follows in her footsteps, Karla will be an abuela by 30. Never thought I'd see a GILF.

[Gringo Wadero]

Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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[Member #3453]

I'm not really sure about the progress of the metro out to San Nicholas. Carlos is probably up on that however.

What I can comment on is your aversion to running a tab. Over time, I too have become quite adverse to running tabs in certain bars. If I run a tab, it's when I'm with Carlos, and he runs interference for us both. The clubs that run tabs don't ever insist that I run a tab. They all seem willing to accept payment at the time the drinks are delivered. This seems true with the exception of places like Prestige and Obsession where there is a cover charge tacked onto the bill, etc...But, if I am not mistaken, even at Prestige and Obsession, you can pay the cover at the door, and still pay as you go. Carlos can clarify the accepted procedures at the higher end bars like Prestige, Obsession, Poisson, Amnesia, etc...You should have no problem paying as you go at the medium level bars, TVO, Harem, Pasarelas, Casino, Spugna, etc...

Lately, one of the worst offending bars for scamming tabs has been Pasarelas. But, Pasarelas, depending on what month and week you visit, can be a very good place to visit with respect to selection of girls. So, rather than throw the baby out with the bath water, I just make them accept payment at the time they deliver the drinks. I simply pay as I go.

And furthermore, I am always careful to call their direct attention to the denomination of bills I am giving them, almost in a cartoonish characterization of body language and verbal expression so they resist the temptation to switch from the 200 pesos bill to the 20 peso bill.

Believe it or not, they have tried that switch several times. You know, you hand them a 200 pesos bill, and with slight of hand, they produce, seconds later, a 20 pesos bill as they are fishing for change, trying to make you believe that you mistakenly gave them a 20 pesos bill instead of a 200 peso bill.

You know, if you don't have your glasses on, or it's dark, doubt as to what you actually gave them can creep into your mind. So, I always make it kind of an exaggerated specticle, and concentrate specifically when I give them the dough. That tactic seems to have stopped their nonsense for now.

As for the cost of full service in a place like El Infinito, I think the F/S cost is closer to 400 pesos + songs in the privados. I believe a blow job is around 200 pesos + songs. As for your not being able to enjoy salidas, I would recommend the upper level massage parlors as a decent alternative. It isn't quite the same, but it's better than the hard back, back breaking chairs in El Infinito. But, of course, the cost is a consideration in comparison. However, I have concluded that the cost of El Infinito with respect to time is relatively high. I mean, usually, with respect to F/S, you can rarely get out of the privados without paying for a series of songs. My typical bill in the privados on the very, very rare occassion that I would visit them and endulge is usually between 500-600 pesos all inclusive. Eventually, it just seems like it's good money throw after bad when you realize that a salida from one of the bars for up to 2 hours is 1350 pesos. But, of course, your constraints are certainly understandable with respect to co-workers etc...That's why I suggest the massage parlors as an alternative.



Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

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[MonterreyDude]

Gringo Wadero... what is it? 2, 3 years since your last visit?
I guess you are staying again at the Hampton or the Holiday Inn in San Nicolas area.

The new metro line is still not operating at the area you are staying. Maybe in the Fall season. The closest station working is at the University. To far from your hotel.
And yes, the main junction of stations is at El Arco in the downtown area.

First of all check at the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread, post #7, you'll find a link to a Google map I made of the city.
It includes, SC, MP's, restaurants (incluidng El Gaucho), malls... tons of stuff I didn't pass along in my old maps.

El Gaucho is on the second page of the marker links.
And no: el Gaucho is always full. Make a reservation. A hotel taxi will get you there, no problem at all.
Return trip, am sure El Gaucho staff will get you a cab. Just be specific on the hotel and the area you are staying.

Yes, prices at the Villagran area, specificaly pointing at Infinito have changed.
100-150 pesos for Bj
300-350 pesos for a FS
50 pesos per 4 minute private dance

But Infinito is still the place to be.

Gringo, you know the drill: feel free to ask your questions.





Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[A Toda Maquina]

Say, Might see you around this weekend.

Regards, Atm(Aka:Chango).


Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[MonterreyDude]

Gringo Wadero...
I think Doubt98, another guy from another forum and me were witness to your "sticking out like a sore thumb".
If it was you, we were right behind you.
You were having so much fun at ring side that we decided not to disturb you.
And boy... I got in, went elsewhere, went meet the guys, went back and you were still there...
Isn't Infinito still the place to be???




Hello Carlos and company. I'm going to be in town later this week after a couple years away and I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

My employer likes us to stay out North in the San Nicolas area. Do you know if the new metro line is operating that far out? I saw that some new stations are opening "in the spring" but beyond that it wasn't clear.

Where exactly does the main station sit. Is it over near the KFC and the arco or is it more west?

I have always preferred the Villa Gran area clubs for their great value. I avoid any club that insists on running a tab. In the past, 200 pesos seemed to be the fair value chica fee for in-house FS. Is that still the case or might it have gone up some? Is the average fee somewhat higher at Infinito compared to the sister clubs? Salida is not a viable option because of hotel and coworker constraints.

My favorite non-club attraction is El Gaucho restaurant. Is there a more busy time of night that might be avoided? I seem to recall that it was kind of on a side street. Would you expect it to be a challenge to get a cab for the ride home?

I like to sit at the stage and I stick out like a sore thumb. If anyone happens to be around come up and say hi. Thanks for any and all advise.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Gringo Wadero]

Gringo Wadero.

I think Doubt98, another guy from another forum and me were witness to your "sticking out like a sore thumb".

If it was you, we were right behind you.

You were having so much fun at ring side that we decided not to disturb you. And boy. I got in, went elsewhere, went meet the guys, went back and you were still there.

Isn't Infinito still the place to be? Was it Friday or Saturday? By coincidence I sat at the front stage close to the entrance both nights. I'm guessing you saw me Saturday around 8 to 10PM. Infinito had strong line ups, especially the Friday early group. To be honest though, I never really gained much momentum there compared to prior visits. My best time was actually had at Matahuala late Saturday going well into Sunday. Thanks for your earlier feedback. I'll add some observations in a day or two.

[MonterreyDude]

We saw you on Saturday... I think it was you.
You were sitting almost smack in the middle of the #1 stage, to the right of the steps, right after the bulge that forms the end of it.

Anyway, you took a lot of girls upstairs.... you had fun, didn't you?



Was it Friday or Saturday? By coincidence I sat at the front stage close to the entrance both nights. I'm guessing you saw me Saturday around 8 to 10PM. Infinito had strong line ups, especially the Friday early group. To be honest though, I never really gained much momentum there compared to prior visits. My best time was actually had at Matahuala late Saturday going well into Sunday. Thanks for your earlier feedback. I'll add some observations in a day or two.

[Gringo Wadero]

We saw you on Saturday... I think it was you.
You were sitting almost smack in the middle of the #1 stage, to the right of the steps, right after the bulge that forms the end of it.

Anyway, you took a lot of girls upstairs.... you had fun, didn't you?Yea that was me and I remember going on a bit of a splurge for about 45 minutes on Saturday. Those girls didn't turn out to be that great. Perhaps, on a busy night, they weren't making much effort because I wasn't committing to extra services. It was worth going but I wouldn't rank it in the top half of all Monterrey club visits.

That was a lull in an otherwise good trip. There was a quick afternoon stop at Signore that was a solid value (200P+50 tip). The room had A/C running in advance which was a life saver on a really hot day.

On Saturday I went to El Gaucho for an early dinner and it was awesome. They serve enormous steaks and great desserts with very good service.

I went to Matehaula for the first time in three years at 10PM Sat. I wasn't expecting much but it was packed and rockin'. They played Metallica and Ramstein exactly as I recall from my first visit six years ago. They've probably played it every night since then.

To my eyes the girls as a group were equal to Infinito and had more energy. There were a couple of cute little spinners that caught my eye. I had some nice dances with a little blond with a slightly punk look. She quoted 300 pesos for FS which I declined for some reason. Later it hit me that I was leaving town in the AM and there wasn't going to be much better even when I do come back. I approached her at a slow point and she accepted 250 pesos. It left the club about 3:30AM happy and ready for home.

That case illustrates the niche for in-club FS. Its a trade off of quality experience for max convenience. I hadn't even planned on anything of the sort but the girls were just right and at least there was the option to make a game time decision. Having said that I'd probably have to think hard before paying more than 300P. One of the earlier duds had quoted 400 but there was no way that was the rock bottom price. All of this refers to the chica fee only.

I went to El Cielo several times as well. Some of my best all time Monterrey stories happened there and they have Claudia who is my favorite.

Unospongebob touched on getting clipped when paying with big bills and that led to a very curious occurrence at El Cielo late Friday. I had used all my small bills at Infinito earlier and when I entered El Cielo knew I was going to have buy a beer with a 200 peso bill. I displayed the bill's value prominently and the waiter clearly repeated the correct value out loud. He then went through an exercise where he slipped the 200 into the bottom of his stack with one hand while shuffling bills with the other and then first offered change for a 50 and then for a 100 and finally the correct change all in about ten seconds. He didn't make any effort to argue etc. I had been there the previous two nights and it was almost like he was just messing with me.

I'd say if you must pay with a big bill make sure to clearly display the bill and state the value. Try not to let go until they acknowledge it. Don't look away until you get all the change. If you look away, that's when they might pull out a smaller bill and act like it was yours.

In fairness, in roughly 50 visits to the three clubs mentioned here, I can not recall having a issue with price or getting correct change. I have never been to the higher end clubs to be able to comment. I had heard of several issues with tabs at higher end clubs before I ever set foot in town.

Also at El Cielo, there was one hyper little honey that just flat out attempted FS on me without any sort of discussion or agreement what so ever. During a regular privado she started messing around with her hands which isn't that rare in and of itself. After a couple minutes she goes and gets a condom. I'm thinking she's gonna do a HJ. That wouldn't be a first for El Cielo either. Within 15 seconds she moves in like she going to get serious. I had to force myself to put an end to it. I couldn't risk following through and then having her name her own price when it was done.

Maybe when I return in July I'll try buying a few drinks for the girls and see how that turns out. To this point I have always sat at the stage and avoided buying drinks. But it seems the stage action has mellowed somewhat compared to a few years ago and I felt like it was distracting me from picking girls for privado. At times I got up and stood elsewhere to better view the background and see if any of the other girls stood out.

I expect to be back in July. Carlos please order up come nice 90 degree days. 107F on Friday was a little too much.

Oh well. Enough for this trip. Have fun and be safe.

[Member #3453]

Good advise...keep your eye on the ball at all times with these waiters. Some of them are regulars that have been at it for many years. Those guys, while they are not to generally to be trusted either, especially concerning chica recommendations, at least they have a motivator to treat their repeat customers as honestly as possible for the promise of future decent tips.

Usually, with the seasoned "professional" waiters, the most they will attempt is to fain an "innocent" mistake on the bill. If they know you're a repeat customer, and you come to their bar all the time, they will make a pretty decent attempt at being honest with respect to not going so far as to attempt to swindle you with the peso bill switch tactic.

There are times, usually late at night, usually with the air full of smoke, usually with my eyes burning from being up until 4am four or five nights in a row, that the difficulty in discerning which bill I gave them is most difficult for me. I'm tired, frazzled, etc...

As for the present state of affairs in the low end bars. I have visited El Infinito recently, and they're late night line-up during the week, IMHO, leaves something to be desired, ditto that at Matehuala, and el Cielo both.

Now, this really only applies to the week nights. The weekends are a totally different animal. But, keep in mind, there is a hell of a lot more competition on weekends. The girls are simply not as motivated to leave the bars, or even to spend time with you if you aren't puking pesos on them in the bar. For my part, the weekend nights are just too hectic, too much competition, high prices, too many scams, too much greed, too many drunk Mexicanos, People in the street, etc...

I also visited Givenchy UNO over the last couple of weeks, which is now open in the spot where the original Givenchy was first located, South of El Infinito. Givenchy Dos is to the North of El Infinito. Anyway, Givenchy Uno was pretty disappointing. They only had about two girls in the place at midnight. I basically walked in, scoped out the talent, and walked out. With respect to some of these lower end bars lately, I'm not terribly impressed. What IS HAPPENING????? I did find one in El Cielo last time. She was flaca, willing, available for salidas, etc...So, there is hope. But, I have to tell you, the search is getting harder and harder.

I also recently visited Harem. Some might be interested in knowing that they've spruced up the Harem a little bit, expanded it some. When you pull up to the place, you'll notice it has a bigger foot print. They bought out that place next door, the restaurant. I think that restaurant was supposedly half way decent a place. I never tried it, but I think several visitors from the boards have wandered in there for something to eat and talked favorably of it. Anyway, Harem has expanded to a second stage area to the East in the place of that restaurant, ajoining the main bar area. Usually, they have one chica over there. The girls wander between the two separated rooms, but there usually doesn't seem to be too many working the new addition whenever I've checked it out.

Secondarily, the privado area upstairs has been completely relocated, and revamped. Frankly, I am relatively disappointed in it. They have reduced the size of the booths, leaving only space to sit where the girl straddles you in front, sitting on your lap. And, the chairs are not cushy like they used to be. Additionally, it was hot as hades up there. In one instance, I took a very hot, as in "perfect body," girl up for a privado, gave the attendant 200 pesos, intending to get my full measure of songs. But, as time progressed, my girl and I got so uncomfortable that we both decided to exit the privados and go back downstairs. She even got my 100 pesos back from the attendant for me without my even asking. I had fully expected to lose it, but the heat was unbearable.

IMHO, the rank and file are trying to send management a message that they don't want to work up there....It's too damned HOT! Otherwise, there is little reason she would recover my 100 pesos from the attendant. I think they would like to see management losing money up there until the air is turned on. Under ANY other circumstances, the girls would NOT have recovered my money from the attendant. I would have been totally on my own.

Also, with the same girl, the attendant at the privados attempted to swindle an extra 200 pesos by misquoting price to me. She refused to be a party to the scam, telling him something in rapid fire Spanish that I could not discern. But, I got the distinct impression she was putting him in his place, and protecting her own investment. But, my theory, the discomfort upstairs is something the girls are not willing to tolerate. I have never had a girl looking after my financial condition with such concern. So, I can only conclude that have their own motivations for doing so.




Yea that was me and I remember going on a bit of a splurge for about 45 minutes on Saturday. Those girls didn't turn out to be that great. Perhaps, on a busy night, they weren't making much effort because I wasn't committing to extra services. It was worth going but I wouldn't rank it in the top half of all Monterrey club visits.

That was a lull in an otherwise good trip. There was a quick afternoon stop at Signore that was a solid value (200P+50 tip). The room had A/C running in advance which was a life saver on a really hot day.

On Saturday I went to El Gaucho for an early dinner and it was awesome. They serve enormous steaks and great desserts with very good service.

I went to Matehaula for the first time in three years at 10PM Sat. I wasn't expecting much but it was packed and rockin'. They played Metallica and Ramstein exactly as I recall from my first visit six years ago. They've probably played it every night since then.

To my eyes the girls as a group were equal to Infinito and had more energy. There were a couple of cute little spinners that caught my eye. I had some nice dances with a little blond with a slightly punk look. She quoted 300 pesos for FS which I declined for some reason. Later it hit me that I was leaving town in the AM and there wasn't going to be much better even when I do come back. I approached her at a slow point and she accepted 250 pesos. It left the club about 3:30AM happy and ready for home.

That case illustrates the niche for in-club FS. Its a trade off of quality experience for max convenience. I hadn't even planned on anything of the sort but the girls were just right and at least there was the option to make a game time decision. Having said that I'd probably have to think hard before paying more than 300P. One of the earlier duds had quoted 400 but there was no way that was the rock bottom price. All of this refers to the chica fee only.

I went to El Cielo several times as well. Some of my best all time Monterrey stories happened there and they have Claudia who is my favorite.

Unospongebob touched on getting clipped when paying with big bills and that led to a very curious occurrence at El Cielo late Friday. I had used all my small bills at Infinito earlier and when I entered El Cielo knew I was going to have buy a beer with a 200 peso bill. I displayed the bill's value prominently and the waiter clearly repeated the correct value out loud. He then went through an exercise where he slipped the 200 into the bottom of his stack with one hand while shuffling bills with the other and then first offered change for a 50 and then for a 100 and finally the correct change all in about ten seconds. He didn't make any effort to argue etc. I had been there the previous two nights and it was almost like he was just messing with me.

I'd say if you must pay with a big bill make sure to clearly display the bill and state the value. Try not to let go until they acknowledge it. Don't look away until you get all the change. If you look away, that's when they might pull out a smaller bill and act like it was yours.

In fairness, in roughly 50 visits to the three clubs mentioned here, I can not recall having a issue with price or getting correct change. I have never been to the higher end clubs to be able to comment. I had heard of several issues with tabs at higher end clubs before I ever set foot in town.

Also at El Cielo, there was one hyper little honey that just flat out attempted FS on me without any sort of discussion or agreement what so ever. During a regular privado she started messing around with her hands which isn't that rare in and of itself. After a couple minutes she goes and gets a condom. I'm thinking she's gonna do a HJ. That wouldn't be a first for El Cielo either. Within 15 seconds she moves in like she going to get serious. I had to force myself to put an end to it. I couldn't risk following through and then having her name her own price when it was done.

Maybe when I return in July I'll try buying a few drinks for the girls and see how that turns out. To this point I have always sat at the stage and avoided buying drinks. But it seems the stage action has mellowed somewhat compared to a few years ago and I felt like it was distracting me from picking girls for privado. At times I got up and stood elsewhere to better view the background and see if any of the other girls stood out.

I expect to be back in July. Carlos please order up come nice 90 degree days. 107F on Friday was a little too much.

Oh well. Enough for this trip. Have fun and be safe.

[Hot Dog]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Ref my trip in April apologies for my delay in responding and I don’t have a problem with any of your comments on my waywardness; I am sure I probably over paid; but I still have a question. Assuming I want to go to a "high end club" and I am completely relaxed about “patronizing the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey” and I have “tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige” but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?

If you spend “tons of money” at the above clubs in their open booths are we just talking glorified lap dances or what ? Because I’m not interested in lap dances. Whilst I might want to watch a show, have a few drinks and possibly screw on the premises I am keener on take out to the best hotel that will suffer take outs!

So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??

I had read from you guys earlier posts that a couple of clubs definitely don’t do take out but what clubs have rooms and what have open booths and what take out ?

Or put another way: was what I was looking for actually available at Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado or not ?

Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?

[Member #3453]

Sure, we mean no criticism whatsoever. These are just comments of our experiences, and each has his own criteria to judge their own unique satisfaction levels achieved.

Honestly, it has been about 7 years since I even entertained the idea of actually going to meet with a girl from one of the high end clubs. I worked on one in Obsession when I first started coming to Monterrey. Compared to the effort made at actually getting her to eventually show up after work hours, and compared to the lesser amount of work invested in getting the girls from the lower end bars out on salida, the effort was about ten fold in the high end bars.

In the end, the literal cost was identical. However, the cost of drinks was significantly higher with respect to wining and dining a high end club girl versus just spending about 10 minutes interviewing a girl from the lower end bars, and away we go.

Frankly, the end result with respect to quality of experience has always been identical. Just because they're from the high end bars versus the lower end bars does NOT dictate the quality of experience, nor does it really dictate the "hardened" attitude you refer to, nor does it even dictate the quality of selection.

I know a lot more girls from the high end bars, the expensive Divas, that are significantly harder, colder, more clinical in their approaches, than many, many, many other options in the lower end bars. But, if you must have one of the Divas, then they are likely to cost you 3000-5000 pesos, plus drinks on getting them to agree to meet you outside the bar. Time spent? probably and hour or two, no more.

Just recently, I am working on a new girl at Colorados. She agrees to go with me for 1000 pesos. No, not only does she just agree, she is literally almost begging to make the money. She is not one of the Divas that control the club floor. There are always those girls that are so in control of the floor, using the shear power of their sex appeal and the force of their personalities, that they are, IMHO, way over priced, and likely a big disappointment.

The higher end bars forbid the girls to see customers outside their establishments, and many girls simply will not consider it because it's akin to risking their jobs. Some will eventually consider it, but only after they have you totally pegged, which takes a number of consistent visits, and a number of drinks to establish your credibility with them.

Therefore, if you are an infrequent visitor, you can not realistically expect to meet a girl on her day off, nor pay a salida for high end bar activities at your hotel. Carlos probably knows the schedule of pricing for on-site activities at the high end bars. I don't because I have no interest in that kind of experience, and have never really fully investigated it. I do know one thing, compared to what I can routinely get, it is extremely expensive, and likely to be very disappointing compared to the control of the scenario that I have from within my own hotel room environment.

Typically, I believe the cost to be around 600 pesos for 15 minutes in the privados at a high end bar. That includes a nude dance. The rest of the cost is upsold services that range the entire gambit, all the way to full service. Carlos can elaborate on those on-site, high end bar costs for full service.

To specifically answer your questions,

"but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?"

You're on the right track. Those are the high end bars. And, the selections and environments in them change with respect to selection. Most of the high end bars have private quarters for on-site activities. I would suggest that you really make the rounds, and then return to the one that, at any one particular time, seems most promising.

One thing is consistent, they all vary with respect to timing, and unless you canvass them in a "drive-by" kind of way, you may be spending your time in one place, when another is really better suited for what you're looking for.

With the lower end bars, I am known to simply cruise in the door, canvass the available talent, and to exit the building, all in less than 2 minutes. I may delay my departure long enough to scope out what may be hidden from view, busy in the privados simultaneous to my visit. But, I don't like wasting my time sitting in bars without some kind of obvious payoff potential.

This is more difficult to do in the high end bars due to the cover charge, and because of the way you are ushered in by fawning waiters. This difficulty escalates as you move from category to category, low end to medium, and medium to high end. So, there are limitations to canvassing them as I suggest.

To further address your questions...
"So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??"

With high end bars, everything, full service, etc....IS available, but only on-site to the extent of my comments above.

"Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?"

As I mentioned above, salidas from the higher end places are not typically available. Carlos may know of some exceptions, and he can comment accordingly.




[QUOTE=Amigomio]Am going to sum it up in a different way than USB... Hot Dog: you were had.

Ref my trip in April apologies for my delay in responding and I don’t have a problem with any of your comments on my waywardness; I am sure I probably over paid; but I still have a question. Assuming I want to go to a "high end club" and I am completely relaxed about “patronizing the absolutely MOST frickin' expensive clubs in Monterrey” and I have “tons of money to have fun at the Premiere, Amnesia, Colorados and at Obsession and Prestige” but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?

If you spend “tons of money” at the above clubs in their open booths are we just talking glorified lap dances or what ? Because I’m not interested in lap dances. Whilst I might want to watch a show, have a few drinks and possibly screw on the premises I am keener on take out to the best hotel that will suffer take outs!

So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??

I had read from you guys earlier posts that a couple of clubs definitely don’t do take out but what clubs have rooms and what have open booths and what take out ?

Or put another way: was what I was looking for actually available at Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado or not ?

Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?

[MonterreyDude]

That is right.
There are no "salidas" at the high end clubs like Amnesia, Premiere, Prestige, Obsession.

The rest are negotiable, like the 800 peso tab at the Pasarelas and Harem, and so on, or the 350 pesos at the Infinito.
Iam not up to date with the charges done at Poisson, but more or less I do believe they are over 100 dlls, like you paid.




Sure, we mean no criticism whatsoever. These are just comments of our experiences, and each has his own criteria to judge their own unique satisfaction levels achieved.

Honestly, it has been about 7 years since I even entertained the idea of actually going to meet with a girl from one of the high end clubs. I worked on one in Obsession when I first started coming to Monterrey. Compared to the effort made at actually getting her to eventually show up after work hours, and compared to the lesser amount of work invested in getting the girls from the lower end bars out on salida, the effort was about ten fold in the high end bars.

In the end, the literal cost was identical. However, the cost of drinks was significantly higher with respect to wining and dining a high end club girl versus just spending about 10 minutes interviewing a girl from the lower end bars, and away we go.

Frankly, the end result with respect to quality of experience has always been identical. Just because they're from the high end bars versus the lower end bars does NOT dictate the quality of experience, nor does it really dictate the "hardened" attitude you refer to, nor does it even dictate the quality of selection.

I know a lot more girls from the high end bars, the expensive Divas, that are significantly harder, colder, more clinical in their approaches, than many, many, many other options in the lower end bars. But, if you must have one of the Divas, then they are likely to cost you 3000-5000 pesos, plus drinks on getting them to agree to meet you outside the bar. Time spent? probably and hour or two, no more.

Just recently, I am working on a new girl at Colorados. She agrees to go with me for 1000 pesos. No, not only does she just agree, she is literally almost begging to make the money. She is not one of the Divas that control the club floor. There are always those girls that are so in control of the floor, using the shear power of their sex appeal and the force of their personalities, that they are, IMHO, way over priced, and likely a big disappointment.

The higher end bars forbid the girls to see customers outside their establishments, and many girls simply will not consider it because it's akin to risking their jobs. Some will eventually consider it, but only after they have you totally pegged, which takes a number of consistent visits, and a number of drinks to establish your credibility with them.

Therefore, if you are an infrequent visitor, you can not realistically expect to meet a girl on her day off, nor pay a salida for high end bar activities at your hotel. Carlos probably knows the schedule of pricing for on-site activities at the high end bars. I don't because I have no interest in that kind of experience, and have never really fully investigated it. I do know one thing, compared to what I can routinely get, it is extremely expensive, and likely to be very disappointing compared to the control of the scenario that I have from within my own hotel room environment.

Typically, I believe the cost to be around 600 pesos for 15 minutes in the privados at a high end bar. That includes a nude dance. The rest of the cost is upsold services that range the entire gambit, all the way to full service. Carlos can elaborate on those on-site, high end bar costs for full service.

To specifically answer your questions,

"but do not on the other hand want to pay just for the sake of comfortable chairs and fauning lackeys but do want the nicer friendlier less hardened prettier girls (which to some extent I got) where do you go?"

You're on the right track. Those are the high end bars. And, the selections and environments in them change with respect to selection. Most of the high end bars have private quarters for on-site activities. I would suggest that you really make the rounds, and then return to the one that, at any one particular time, seems most promising.

One thing is consistent, they all vary with respect to timing, and unless you canvass them in a "drive-by" kind of way, you may be spending your time in one place, when another is really better suited for what you're looking for.

With the lower end bars, I am known to simply cruise in the door, canvass the available talent, and to exit the building, all in less than 2 minutes. I may delay my departure long enough to scope out what may be hidden from view, busy in the privados simultaneous to my visit. But, I don't like wasting my time sitting in bars without some kind of obvious payoff potential.

This is more difficult to do in the high end bars due to the cover charge, and because of the way you are ushered in by fawning waiters. This difficulty escalates as you move from category to category, low end to medium, and medium to high end. So, there are limitations to canvassing them as I suggest.

To further address your questions...
"So if one said that on my terms Venus Palace and Poisson fitted the bill; what actually is available at Prestige, Amnesia, Premiere and Colorado ??"

With high end bars, everything, full service, etc....IS available, but only on-site to the extent of my comments above.

"Finally if I paid us$ 200 –220 for the girl plus us$120 –150 take out salida fee respectively at Poisson and Venus Palace what is the best price we should be aiming at ?"

As I mentioned above, salidas from the higher end places are not typically available. Carlos may know of some exceptions, and he can comment accordingly.



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[Member #3453]

You know, I am really very disappointed at the quality of the buffet at Obsession versus Prestige. The quality of the buffet has plummeted at Obsession. The drink prices are less at Obsession however, and considerably less. So, if you're contemplating a visit to a particular high end club, and you want to have the most bang for the buck concerning drink prices, then Obsession is really quite a bargain.

I recall being at Obsession in the not too distant past, and I was kind of surprised how cheap the drinks were. I had come from Prestige the prior day, and I am always kind of shocked at the totality of the costs that accrue over at Prestige. I don't even remember the literal cost differences by the drink, only that when they bring the final check, I recall being really pleasantly surprised at Obsession after having endured the cost of Prestige the previous day. And I recall thinking that I had not really purchased more or less from either of them.

All should also remember that the girls will almost always attempt to order Tecate or a double, unless they're familiar with you as a customer. This is especially true at Prestige. They will make the attempt, but always remember that the cost is astronomical. Just make sure that you tell them no doubles, and no Tecate. Just tell them you want single drinks. Just show them in sign language, if you don't know Spanish, that you only want the small ones. Otherwise, you will be sorry. The literal cost of a Tecate, a single can of beer, is 240 pesos....ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, if it's a buffet lunch you're after, Prestige is really, really quite good! The drink costs are higher than Obsession, by quite a bit. But, if you just want a nice lunch, some good scenery, and even if you are relatively conservative with the numbers of drinks you purchase, then it's a good time.

But, just remember, at night, all the high end bars are really astronomically expensive. That's why I do not patronize them past 5pm, period. If I visit a high end bar, it's to enjoy the buffet, usually Prestige, and in the case of Obsession, the buffet is so disappointing that I am very conservative at what I choose to eat there. At Obsession these days, I just reserve my fun to socializing with the girls.

[El Cabron 007]

Bob, I was setting at my usual table last niht when that lady who sells outfits to the girls was talking to me. She asked about you. She plain straight forward told me 2 things:
1- She thinks you are a handsom man, and ...
2- She wants you ... Yes .. She likes you and asked me to let you know.

So there. Now you know.

But I very politly told her that you like them below 20 years old.

Wasted

[Member #3453]

Great...I am attracting old women...Just what I had in mind :-))))

Consider this logic...Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer, verdad?

But USB rises above it all....This illustrates the power of positive thinking.

As we age, do we not believe a young girl to be as beautiful to us at our SIGNIFICANTLY advanced ages, as we would have thought them to be when we were 20?

So, that having been established. Is it not also correct to assume, that girls have the same kind of attraction at age 40+...as they would quite possibly have had at age 20? I mean, I am as attracted to certain girls in the same way as I am now attracted to certain girls. I like them short, thin, morena, cute face, fantastic body...nothing's changed with my age with respect to what attracts me, verdad?

Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?

Also, it comes to mind, a line from a movie I recently went to with my 24 year old Mexican girlfriend. We attended the movie "Venus," with Peter O'toole. In the movie, I enjoyed the delivery of a particular line.

Peter O'toole is an old man, probably 90 years old, and he has a young girl staying with he and another 90 year old room mate. Peter O'toole and the young girl form an emotional friendship. At one point, Peter O'toole is as interested in at least looking at this girls body, kissing her, etc, as he was when he was 20, even though his is sexually impotent.

At one point in the movie, Peter O'toole tells the young girl, "A woman's body is the single most beautiful thing that a man will ever see in his lifetime." The young girl asks, "and what is the most beautiful thing a woman will ever see?" Peter O'toole replies by saying, "Her first born child." Ahhhh, excellent line indeed. This movie was about a young girl, literally faling in emotional love with a 90 year old man. I know it sounds crazy. But, if we fully understand woman, it is not impossible.

I hold onto this potential truth, and it sustains me....ahhhhhhh!!! Further psychobabelian analysis is called for....What say you all?


Bob, I was setting at my usual table last niht when that lady who sells outfits to the girls was talking to me. She asked about you. She plain straight forward told me 2 things:
1- She thinks you are a handsom man, and ...
2- She wants you ... Yes .. She likes you and asked me to let you know.

So there. Now you know.

But I very politly told her that you like them below 20 years old.

Wasted

[MonterreyDude]

"Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?"

Answer: No.

I talked once the subject with my Obsession GF. Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.
If she had stayed in the "bright side", on a regular job, she would have never ever turned to look at an older guy, specialy me, that Iam 25 years older than her.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

Once they leave the business, their point of view of life reverts a normal status of references, of checks and balances they once belong to.
The first thing they do once they star moving around in the normal world is totally forget whatever reminds them of their former selves and in the case of my GF and me... that would be me.

Anyway, I would be the first to let them go.
Once they forget the old checks and balances and go back to normalcy, there is no stopping them from doing what ever they want to do.
That includes doing stupid things.
The money we pay them puts the break on them. Their ho job puts the break on them too.

PS: "Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer"

Only you USB, could think that way. Me, I love mature women...
.. of course the CORRECT WORDING refering to the lady that selld dresses to the girls should be UGLY OLDER WOMEN!!!!
Now that is a total downer!!!!!






Great...I am attracting old women...Just what I had in mind :-))))

Consider this logic...Most would consider such a revelation, that an older woman is attracted to us, as a bit of a downer, verdad?

But USB rises above it all....This illustrates the power of positive thinking.

As we age, do we not believe a young girl to be as beautiful to us at our SIGNIFICANTLY advanced ages, as we would have thought them to be when we were 20?

So, that having been established. Is it not also correct to assume, that girls have the same kind of attraction at age 40+...as they would quite possibly have had at age 20? I mean, I am as attracted to certain girls in the same way as I am now attracted to certain girls. I like them short, thin, morena, cute face, fantastic body...nothing's changed with my age with respect to what attracts me, verdad?

Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?

Also, it comes to mind, a line from a movie I recently went to with my 24 year old Mexican girlfriend. We attended the movie "Venus," with Peter O'toole. In the movie, I enjoyed the delivery of a particular line.

Peter O'toole is an old man, probably 90 years old, and he has a young girl staying with he and another 90 year old room mate. Peter O'toole and the young girl form an emotional friendship. At one point, Peter O'toole is as interested in at least looking at this girls body, kissing her, etc, as he was when he was 20, even though his is sexually impotent.

At one point in the movie, Peter O'toole tells the young girl, "A woman's body is the single most beautiful thing that a man will ever see in his lifetime." The young girl asks, "and what is the most beautiful thing a woman will ever see?" Peter O'toole replies by saying, "Her first born child." Ahhhh, excellent line indeed. This movie was about a young girl, literally faling in emotional love with a 90 year old man. I know it sounds crazy. But, if we fully understand woman, it is not impossible.

I hold onto this potential truth, and it sustains me....ahhhhhhh!!! Further psychobabelian analysis is called for....What say you all?

[El Cabron 007]

It is very interesting that you would go the distance and ask them those questions.

I would expect that the girls who leave the business do not go cold turkey. I think they go through phases.

One of those early phases, right after they actually leave the clubs, is a short period of complete boycott of the business followed by the desire to lookup her regular clients and go house calls or out on dates with them. That I do not see as romance at all. I see it as a side job but without the hassle of the club. She shows the guy a good time and then collects her regular fee, if not plus extras if she sweat talks her way to the guy's heart making him think he is the one and only. I know. I am the one and only for Lady J who totally quit the club scene.

Another phase is when they move in or marry someone from the club. She then realizes a few month or a year later that she was only giving him a long session but at home instead of the club. Wouldn't all of us love to take a girl out on a one year salida? No club fees no nothing. You just feed her and help her continue to be pretty. Good deal.

?? But fall in love with us ?? To them we are old ugly perverts just like we enjoy their company but know real well we are dealing with cute little sl8ts.

OK. That's it for now.

Wasted.


Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

[Super Gato]

"Therefore, logically, to extrapolate, if a 40+ (hopefully meaning age and not dress size :-), women is attracted to us at that age, is it not realistically possible that girls in their 20s might not also have the same level of attraction as their 40+ counterparts?"

Answer: No.

I talked once the subject with my Obsession GF. Asked her if she thought BEFORE she started working at a SC, if she could fall for an older guy.
She said no.
If she had stayed in the "bright side", on a regular job, she would have never ever turned to look at an older guy, specialy me, that Iam 25 years older than her.

I also asked her the following question: "Do you think you would still like me once you return to a regular job in the bright side and you forget the SC job"?
She just stared at me... I answered for her: "no".

Once they leave the business, their point of view of life reverts a normal status of references, of checks and balances they once belong to.
The first thing they do once they star moving around in the normal world is totally forget whatever reminds them of their former selves and in the case of my GF and me... that would be me.


The girls were being honest.

Non working girls in 18-30 don't even see older guys. Just to go to the mall and watch them --- in Monterrey or any city really. They don't see you. You are invisible. You can be standing right in front of them and they won't see you. They'll bump into you because they didn't see you. If you stare too long, the girl's less attractive friend might notice and tell her that a creepy old guy is leering at her.

Now by flashing the right amount of cash you can get her attention. But it would be cheaper and probably a better experience to go to a pro. And of course, if you're exceptionally guapo or famoso they'll see you. But we regular guys are invisible. We're their dad's age.

My taste in women is the same since I was a teenager: 18-24. When I was in my late 20s, these girls stopped seeing me. I became invisible. So now I satisfy my desires for the 18-24 year olds by going to the pros. When I walk into one of the clubs on Carlos' list, the chicas will see me. I don't mind this arrangement because even though I like a lot of the music younger people listen to and I probably am emotionally closer to their age, we don't have a lot in common.

There are some mature women (25+) that will catch my eye in clubs, but women around my age will see me on the street so I don't need to get on a plane and go to Mexico. I'm not invisible.

[Member #3453]

I have been in other countries, including South American Countries, where the age difference is a common occurence. I have seen this in Asian Countries as well. These are not hookers and their Johns.

Even most recently in Monterrey, when my girlfriend and I were sitting eating a delicious Helados Sultana Ice Cream in the Plaza Real Shopping Center. There, waiting in line for a taxi at the curb were a couple that were at least 25 years apart in age. The girl, probably in her 20s, the guy probably in his late 40s to early 50s. They were just a normal couple.

My girl even commented when I noticed the age difference between them. She quickly said that they appeared to be just a normal couple to her. She even jabbed me a bit, saying that she bets he does not even venture into the clubs. She thought they were a totally legit couple.

It is not an uncommon thing. Perhaps it not as common a thing in a metropolis like Monterrey, a sophisticated city with contemporary stereotypes, modern day sociology, and feminazi values. Super Gato is right, they will stare right through us. Of course, they have no frame of reference from which to buck the sociological stigmas.

Most girls have never been with an older man. So, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. The better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. Those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. Those are truly the enlightened girls. Their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.

Finally, how many movie stars, rock stars, etc...have women half their ages. These women are attracted by the something other than physical attraction. They are attracted by the totality of package, the money, the power, the fame, the experience, etc...Conversely, how many older movie actresses and classic rock divas have twenty year old husbands?

My point is, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you're older, you have to use all your abilities, resources, talents, experience understanding women....things that the 20 something males are clueless about. I refuse to believe that a twenty year old kid can touch me when it comes to understanding the female mind. Write yourselves off if you want to...

[MonterreyDude]

Of course there are exceptions... but I would have need to have seen this said couple.

Believe me USB... you WANT to SEE... therefore you must have acomodated.

You might have believed there was a 25 year diference but it might have been less than 10 years.

There is a point in our years where we don't see difference between a 20 year old and a 26-28 even a 30 year old.

My Obsss GF is just 26 and she doesn't look over 20 years.
My Harem GF is 28 and she doesn't seem over 24-25

We tend to see the span of age that encompasses the 20's as... one single year.
It's like my 28 year old friend at Pasarelas.. I bet you USB, you thought she was in her early 20's.

At our age, their age will trick us....




I have been in other countries, including South American Countries, where the age difference is a common occurence. I have seen this in Asian Countries as well. These are not hookers and their Johns.

Even most recently in Monterrey, when my girlfriend and I were sitting eating a delicious Helados Sultana Ice Cream in the Plaza Real Shopping Center. There, waiting in line for a taxi at the curb were a couple that were at least 25 years apart in age. The girl, probably in her 20s, the guy probably in his late 40s to early 50s. They were just a normal couple.

My girl even commented when I noticed the age difference between them. She quickly said that they appeared to be just a normal couple to her. She even jabbed me a bit, saying that she bets he does not even venture into the clubs. She thought they were a totally legit couple.

It is not an uncommon thing. Perhaps it not as common a thing in a metropolis like Monterrey, a sophisticated city with contemporary stereotypes, modern day sociology, and feminazi values. Super Gato is right, they will stare right through us. Of course, they have no frame of reference from which to buck the sociological stigmas.

Most girls have never been with an older man. So, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. The better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. Those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. Those are truly the enlightened girls. Their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.

Finally, how many movie stars, rock stars, etc...have women half their ages. These women are attracted by the something other than physical attraction. They are attracted by the totality of package, the money, the power, the fame, the experience, etc...Conversely, how many older movie actresses and classic rock divas have twenty year old husbands?

My point is, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you're older, you have to use all your abilities, resources, talents, experience understanding women....things that the 20 something males are clueless about. I refuse to believe that a twenty year old kid can touch me when it comes to understanding the female mind. Write yourselves off if you want to...

[Member #3453]

Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me.

With respect to our recent experience sitting on the benches at Plaza Real, looking at the couple waiting for the taxi, I made this comment to my GFE that I believed the girl looked to be about mid to late 20s. She said she thought she looked 18-19 years old. The guy was definitely in his late 40s early 50s, perhaps even as old as 56-58 years old. The girl could have been older than she looked, perhaps as old as 26-30 years old, although I believe her to definitely appear much younger than thirty years old.

I remember talking recently to a girl at Obsession. She was telling me about her family. She told me her father was 65 years old, and her mother is 45 years old. I asked if they are happy, and she said they are very happy together. I was simply asking questions about her life, her family, and not hinting at any age difference. I think that age difference was more accepted a number of years ago, and it's less common today than it may have formerly been in Mexico. But, none the less, it does still routinely exist there, certainly more so than in the USA, where the phenomenon is virtually non-existent. I find these things out about the families of the girls when I am casually talking to them. You would be surprised how often they reveal the age difference between their parents is between 10-20 years. Even in the case of my own GFs parents, the age difference is about 20 years.

I believe however, that as Mexico becomes closer and closer sociologically to the USA, this phenomenon will virtually vanish. However, if you examine other culture of world, you will find that this phenomenon is still alive and well in many places.

I don't necessarily believe these things because I am "wanting" them to be true. I am simply making observations of what I've observed to be true about other couples, without bias, sometimes through direct observation, and through lines of questioning that reveal the reality.

Believe me, I realize that this phenomenon is not the rule of thumb in Monterrey. I realize that it's probably a more common situation in more rural parts of Mexico. I realize that the more common situation is what we all observe, people of similar ages getting together.

However, I also realize, from my own personal experiences with these club girls, that regardless of their inherent preference to see men in the same age range, it does not preclude us from turning them from their sociologically imposed predisposition to have a prejudice against being open to, and enjoying their time with, an older man.

My point is, I have simply broken the barrier myself, and realize that I limit my own potential possibilities if I adopt the same preconceived notions imposed primarily by society's taboos, when I know the girls are not really that bias in the privacy of my own bedroom where they can hide from the stigma.

If the girls respond to your questions about whether they would typically like seeing you as an older man, they are simply mimicking what they are expected to say, and also revealing what they would prefer their own scenarios to be. But, it does not necessarily mean that in your particular circumstance, they are not surprised themselves at how much they actually enjoy being with you, almost afraid to admit it to themselves for fear of being considered "strange." What they say, and how you can make them feel, are two different things entirely. I have proven it many times over.

I am merely saying not to allow your biases to limit your own aspirations to break through the sociological age barrier. It can and is routinely broken, if you want it, and work at it. It's just that we have to work harder at it than the 20 somethings, and we have to use things other than the advantage of younger age to achieve it.

But, then again, we have huge advantages over the 20 somethings in life experiences, and hopefully at understanding what motivates a women. Plus, remember, the 20 somethings are lazy, taking their advantage for granted. We, on the other hand, realize our handicap, and we realize the necessity of bringing all of our skills to bear if we are to succeed in circumstances where they do not have to even try. Their lack in effort, and their taking their age advantage for granted, is my best ally. Because, most Mexican girls are really not too thrilled, emotionally, with their 20 something boyfriends. Just ask them.

The bottom line is that with "good" girls, we will never get a chance. But, thank GOD, with these bar girls, we get the opportunity to introduce ourselves to them. For the sake of money, we are given our opportunity to transcend the physical act and have a shot at something deeper, something legit. If we are lucky, we can get much more than we bargained for in the initial transaction. That is all I am saying.


Of course there are exceptions... but I would have need to have seen this said couple.

Believe me USB... you WANT to SEE... therefore you must have acomodated.

You might have believed there was a 25 year diference but it might have been less than 10 years.

There is a point in our years where we don't see difference between a 20 year old and a 26-28 even a 30 year old.

My Obsss GF is just 26 and she doesn't look over 20 years.
My Harem GF is 28 and she doesn't seem over 24-25

We tend to see the span of age that encompasses the 20's as... one single year.
It's like my 28 year old friend at Pasarelas.. I bet you USB, you thought she was in her early 20's.

At our age, their age will trick us....

[MonterreyDude]

Whoa down!!!!

"Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc..."

What do you think the girls think of us???
Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits.

I have told you many times that you guys have the fortune of not being able to understand 90% of what the girls say and boy, are you lucky.
I have to deal with them coming up to me and saying right up front saying "where do you meet all those crazy geezers".
They don't care if they offend or not, or risk losing a potential customer cause they got tons of boys after them.

By now I still see that you have not regained touch with what you are dealing with and the worst part is that did talk about this last time you were here.
One of my recomendations has always been, keep track of the girls, make a register of them, the usual who, what and where so that when you come back you know who you should be with and who not to lose time with.

You always say 2 things when you come to Monterrey:
I don't have time to waste. I need to get the girl quickly.

This has been your total perdition many times.
Your reasoning has been that you will not see the girl the next time you come back... and by now, you have come back many many times and you still have contact with the same club manifest.
And you burn the fuse too fast with the girls trying to hit at them too quickly.
And again, it's a lesson you haven't learned.


And speaking of enchiladas...
My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intelectualy mature than their 18-20something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls.
Which is an irrefutable fact.

There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls.
(May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction).








Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me.

With respect to our recent experience sitting on the benches at Plaza Real, looking at the couple waiting for the taxi, I made this comment to my GFE that I believed the girl looked to be about mid to late 20s. She said she thought she looked 18-19 years old. The guy was definitely in his late 40s early 50s, perhaps even as old as 56-58 years old. The girl could have been older than she looked, perhaps as old as 26-30 years old, although I believe her to definitely appear much younger than thirty years old.

I remember talking recently to a girl at Obsession. She was telling me about her family. She told me her father was 65 years old, and her mother is 45 years old. I asked if they are happy, and she said they are very happy together. I was simply asking questions about her life, her family, and not hinting at any age difference. I think that age difference was more accepted a number of years ago, and it's less common today than it may have formerly been in Mexico. But, none the less, it does still routinely exist there, certainly more so than in the USA, where the phenomenon is virtually non-existent. I find these things out about the families of the girls when I am casually talking to them. You would be surprised how often they reveal the age difference between their parents is between 10-20 years. Even in the case of my own GFs parents, the age difference is about 20 years.

I believe however, that as Mexico becomes closer and closer sociologically to the USA, this phenomenon will virtually vanish. However, if you examine other culture of world, you will find that this phenomenon is still alive and well in many places.

I don't necessarily believe these things because I am "wanting" them to be true. I am simply making observations of what I've observed to be true about other couples, without bias, sometimes through direct observation, and through lines of questioning that reveal the reality.

Believe me, I realize that this phenomenon is not the rule of thumb in Monterrey. I realize that it's probably a more common situation in more rural parts of Mexico. I realize that the more common situation is what we all observe, people of similar ages getting together.

However, I also realize, from my own personal experiences with these club girls, that regardless of their inherent preference to see men in the same age range, it does not preclude us from turning them from their sociologically imposed predisposition to have a prejudice against being open to, and enjoying their time with, an older man.

My point is, I have simply broken the barrier myself, and realize that I limit my own potential possibilities if I adopt the same preconceived notions imposed primarily by society's taboos, when I know the girls are not really that bias in the privacy of my own bedroom where they can hide from the stigma.

If the girls respond to your questions about whether they would typically like seeing you as an older man, they are simply mimicking what they are expected to say, and also revealing what they would prefer their own scenarios to be. But, it does not necessarily mean that in your particular circumstance, they are not surprised themselves at how much they actually enjoy being with you, almost afraid to admit it to themselves for fear of being considered "strange." What they say, and how you can make them feel, are two different things entirely. I have proven it many times over.

I am merely saying not to allow your biases to limit your own aspirations to break through the sociological age barrier. It can and is routinely broken, if you want it, and work at it. It's just that we have to work harder at it than the 20 somethings, and we have to use things other than the advantage of younger age to achieve it.

But, then again, we have huge advantages over the 20 somethings in life experiences, and hopefully at understanding what motivates a women. Plus, remember, the 20 somethings are lazy, taking their advantage for granted. We, on the other hand, realize our handicap, and we realize the necessity of bringing all of our skills to bear if we are to succeed in circumstances where they do not have to even try. Their lack in effort, and their taking their age advantage for granted, is my best ally. Because, most Mexican girls are really not too thrilled, emotionally, with their 20 something boyfriends. Just ask them.

The bottom line is that with "good" girls, we will never get a chance. But, thank GOD, with these bar girls, we get the opportunity to introduce ourselves to them. For the sake of money, we are given our opportunity to transcend the physical act and have a shot at something deeper, something legit. If we are lucky, we can get much more than we bargained for in the initial transaction. That is all I am saying.

[Member #3453]

Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.

[MonterreyDude]

You evaded your own statement:
In your post say and I quote, "Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

You later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

Iam not talking about your GF, I said what truely is said by the girls. And Iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

And again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
The girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

You know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is SO OLD".
You know why? Cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

And since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

PS: CIndy #1??? When are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? That she is crazy? That she is bipolar???
Am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which YOU ARE NOT) to go back looking for her.




Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.

[Member #3453]

we are, afterall, getting older, and we all look like mature men. but, i say, so what?

i have a lot of clients that start out with a big "no," only to eventually be so dependent on me in our eventual business relationships that they will not leave me the hell alone :-)))

i have no doubt that the girls recognize me, and us, as older men, and that there is generally no natural attraction to us. but, i also know that woman are totally different then men, and that they can be reachable emotionally. once they are emotionally attached, they are as available legitimately, certainly in the privacy of my room, hiding from the stigma imposed by society, and sometimes even including public displays of affection, as if we were 20 years old.

if i was saying that i can attract them through the shear force of my appearance alone, then i would accept your conclusions. the problem is, i have proven countless times that they can be reached in other ways. once that is accomplished, there is no obstacle, perhaps even quite the opposite.

i simply have too many personal examples of girls that have demonstrated they are reachable to be convinced that i should accept the prospect of failure before i even make the effort, just because i am a mature male.

first, we must use the money to receive the opportunity. that is the first distinction. because, literally, our young stud competitors do not even need to be sitting in the bars paying money for sex. but, that is the pre-requisite for us. thank god for the girls that are available to us. by paying the money, we get a legitimate shot at them psychologically, which eventually turns their initial aversions to us into legitimate desire. this is what distinguishes men from women. thank god for the distinction. because literally where young women are most definitely reachable and attractable emotionally, young men are generally not. you, meaning the reader, must think like a woman. not an easy task, not something we totally understand, not something we are created to do, and certainly not something we like admitting we have an emotional inclination at.

again, i am reaching them by getting into their heads. frankly, it is a much more powerful and lasting tool than any physical attraction might ultimately prove to be anyway. if i were a newbie at this, then i would accept your conclusions. but, i am not a newbie, and i have proven these theories over and over again. they work. mine is a message of hope for all mature men, if they will listen.

currently, with my gf, i have proven this theory in spades. in her case, i am faithful and relatively unavailable otherwise, and i will continue to do so to preserve the relationship. but, were it to end, i have no doubt that i can re-establish similar relationships, even now, even though i am growing incrementally older. but, i do agree that it will eventually become incrementally more difficult as i grow older each year.

with respect to cindy #1, i will see her as a friend, but only within the controlled environment of the club for the sake of my gf. cindy #1 is definitely nutty, but i believe that most of them have some kind of clinical mental defect, just in varying degrees. i have never felt in danger from her unless you consider being raped a danger. :-)



you evaded your own statement:
in your post say and i quote, "girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when i make a judgment as to my interest level. most of the time, i am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. to me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...i mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

you later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. she does not think i am the pits. certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...but, i have a lot of girls that do not think i am the pits. no, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

iam not talking about your gf, i said what truely is said by the girls. and iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

and again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
the girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

you know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is so old".
you know why? cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

and since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

ps: cindy #1??? when are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? that she is crazy? that she is bipolar???
am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which you are not) to go back looking for her.

[Doubt98]

I know this is a little late but there is the Rule of 32. When a man becomes 32 he officially becomes invisible to any woman under 21. The exception to this rule is for every million $ the man has, he gets 3 years knocked off his age. The sad thing is the rule is exponential. That is why J. Howard Marshal had to have 3/4 of a billion to get Anna Nicole.

[Super Gato]

most girls have never been with an older man. so, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. the better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. those are truly the enlightened girls. their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.


oh please. this has nothing to do with sociology and society. a "may-december" relationship is totally acceptable in the us and most other countries. the extreme cases -- ana nicole smith and that old geezer, tony randal and his hot young wife, larry king, hugh hefner -- are seen by most as skeezy but people aren't outside their homes burning torches.

when you're with your young novia in monterrey, the locals may whisper that she's just seeing you for the money. no one is thinking: i bet she loves him because he's such a nice guy. not trying pick on you, it could be anyone in that old guy/young girl situation. as a gringo, some in mexico may assume that you're rich. and when the girl is seeing an older guy of another ethnicity, there could even be more stigma attached to her. "she thinks she too good to date a mexican man? what a puta." i could tell by the disgust on the older better to do thai women's faces they felt that way about the little hottie on my arm.

in the us older women who are not "cougars" or didn't marry an older guy themselves will criticize the guy by asking why doesn't he date girls his own age? my answer is simple: why on earth would he want to? guys would do it if they could.

the girls in the clubs are with older men because:
a) older men have money
b) older men frequent the clubs

yes, younger guys go to clubs but many don't go with the girl because they can get it for free elsewhere. and they don't have as much plata as the older guys.

some girls will tell you that they prefer older clients because they are more experienced, better lovers, blah blah blah. but they are telling you this because you are the older man. of course she's not going to say she prefers you to hot built younger guys. if her choices were purely physical she wouldn't screw an older guy for the same reason you won't go with an older woman. who prefers sagging, wrinkling old versus smooth and tight?

women look for security in relationships in all cultures. in the 21st century anywhere on the planet this equates to the guy having money. this is why you see mexican men with wives that are 20 years younger. a young mexican guy -- like his peers in most of the world -- doesn't have the financial resources of a 40 year old guy. this is why you see it in asia and and the us as well. it is all about the money. there's fame too, but most of the time they are intertwined.

how many homeless broke guys have young girlfriends? i'm not saying that all women are gold diggers, but you don't see them with broke ass guys. when you do see it among the not-rich guys and younger women, remember wealth is relative. i'm by no means rich, but compared to a girl that makes 6 dollars a day working her ass off, i'm bill effing gates.

in the very rare cases of an older woman with a younger guy it is almost 100% assumed that he is with her for the money. many rich women see it the same way we guys do: why should i be with an fat old bald guy who can't get it up when i can have a young stud for nothing more than the price to lease a bmw? her friends are jealous. the guy closes his eyes and thinks of his car. and she gets her stud.

the girl spots the older guys out in the clubs because she knows they have more money and she's going to be more likely to extract it from him than she would with a younger guy. these girls might not have finished school but they're very smart. the are like the tigresses looking for get for for her cubs. she can go for the old slow water buffalo that will feed her cubs for days or she can go for a tastier impala that would take a lot of effort and only feed the cubs for one meal.

and we guys? we look for looks and health and vitality in women. that means youth. even though we just want to have 30 minutes with her on the bed, biologically we're attracted to them for their ability to produce offspring. and logically an older woman might be a better mother to your offspring -- more caring, better equipped for the emotional aspects. your cave man brain throws logic out the window.

i'm not saying this to be negative, but it is a fact of life. especially in the clubs. i'm not saying it is right or fair. but a lot of things in life are like that. so i use it to my advantage as much as i can when i'm mongering.

[Member #3453]

look, this is just a friendly philosophical discussion. whether anyone buys into it is of no importance to me. frankly, the more that discount it, the better it is for me.

if you sincerely analyze almost every one of your comments, all are based on society's norms and expectations, and not upon the girl's actual reaction in private.

you admit in your post that they risk society's ridicule for even having been seen with middle aged men. almost the entire post is related directly to reactions of others...more accurately, that is the definition of social psychology.

i say, take them away from society's scrutiny, and it's a totally different ballgame. i am not talking about 95 year old men, such as what you refer to in your comments, but to men that are still vital, interesting, healthy, etc...just middle aged, not 95 years old like tony randall, or hugh hefner.

my point is that young girls are truly motivated by different things than young men, motivations you yourself have touched on in your post, such as the security aspect, among others. most of what most men believe motivates a woman is from a man's perspective. in my opinion, applying a male perspective to female psychology is to totally and completely misunderstand what fully and completely motivates women, apart from the obvious biological motivations, which are not nearly as strong in women as in men.

the important point is that all those reasons you gave for them being with us legitimately as older men are a "turn-on" for them, a "turn-on" as much for them as a hard body is a turn on for us as men.

it doesn't matter to me "why" the girls choose to be there extraordinarily. it only matters to me to what extent they are there, and to what degree of legitimacy they are there. they are there sometimes for many hours on end, sometimes for almost no money, and consistently so, not from may to december, but sometimes for years on end. that is how i know there is some degree of legitimacy from them.

there can be no other reason they are there. they are there because they are motivated to be there for "other" reasons than just a hard body and a flat stomach. frankly, i believe they remain there for reasons most men will never fully comprehend, emotional reasons. of one thing i am totally sure, when legitimacy of feeling exists, it is not entirely for the money.

believe what you want. i have proven to myself that much younger girls can be motivated in ways that most men never fully comprehend, for reasons that are not always motivated only be the money, and that the age difference is not such an insurmountable obstacle to a legitimate attraction.

to all middle aged men:

young girls are not legitimately attracted by physical attributes alone, but through a combination of things, the most powerful of which is emotion, influenced by your expertise with respect to psychological manipulation.

i don't mean to imply using a disingenuous psychological manipulation necessarily. in my case, the psychological manipulations are sincere, meant to solicit a sincere and legitimate affection between two people, a hybrid gfe, even a monogamous gfe if achievable.

you see, i agree with most of your conclusions concerning our handicap with respect to conventionally attracting young girls as a mature male. imho, psychological manipulation is the only tool we as mature men have at our disposal. i am here to testify that this approach definitely does work. it is not always successful, not all girls are good candidates, results are not always consistent in all cases, it is not easy, it is not predictable, and it is not usually initially cheap. but, over time, if one is persistent, it can and does work.

if successful, you can develop in them a psychological dependence, one that yields great sex, significantly legitimate love and affection, friendship, and a level of intimacy that is not usually experienced by the average monger, and you can do so without being twenty years old. of that, i am personally convinced and totally sure.

always remember, money gives them the excuse to be there, the sociological and economical excuse. they are oblivious to what they are ultimately getting themselves into. if everything works as planned they are really quite pleasantly surprised. thank god the money excuse is there as their egocentric psychological justification.

it's like the spider and the fly. :-))))))))))))



oh please. this has nothing to do with sociology and society. a "may-december" relationship is totally acceptable in the us and most other countries. the extreme cases -- ana nicole smith and that old geezer, tony randal and his hot young wife, larry king, hugh hefner -- are seen by most as skeezy but people aren't outside their homes burning torches.

when you're with your young novia in monterrey, the locals may whisper that she's just seeing you for the money. no one is thinking: i bet she loves him because he's such a nice guy. not trying pick on you, it could be anyone in that old guy/young girl situation. as a gringo, some in mexico may assume that you're rich. and when the girl is seeing an older guy of another ethnicity, there could even be more stigma attached to her. "she thinks she too good to date a mexican man? what a puta." i could tell by the disgust on the older better to do thai women's faces they felt that way about the little hottie on my arm.

in the us older women who are not "cougars" or didn't marry an older guy themselves will criticize the guy by asking why doesn't he date girls his own age? my answer is simple: why on earth would he want to? guys would do it if they could.

the girls in the clubs are with older men because:
a) older men have money
b) older men frequent the clubs

yes, younger guys go to clubs but many don't go with the girl because they can get it for free elsewhere. and they don't have as much plata as the older guys.

some girls will tell you that they prefer older clients because they are more experienced, better lovers, blah blah blah. but they are telling you this because you are the older man. of course she's not going to say she prefers you to hot built younger guys. if her choices were purely physical she wouldn't screw an older guy for the same reason you won't go with an older woman. who prefers sagging, wrinkling old versus smooth and tight?

women look for security in relationships in all cultures. in the 21st century anywhere on the planet this equates to the guy having money. this is why you see mexican men with wives that are 20 years younger. a young mexican guy -- like his peers in most of the world -- doesn't have the financial resources of a 40 year old guy. this is why you see it in asia and and the us as well. it is all about the money. there's fame too, but most of the time they are intertwined.

how many homeless broke guys have young girlfriends? i'm not saying that all women are gold diggers, but you don't see them with broke ass guys. when you do see it among the not-rich guys and younger women, remember wealth is relative. i'm by no means rich, but compared to a girl that makes 6 dollars a day working her ass off, i'm bill effing gates.

in the very rare cases of an older woman with a younger guy it is almost 100% assumed that he is with her for the money. many rich women see it the same way we guys do: why should i be with an fat old bald guy who can't get it up when i can have a young stud for nothing more than the price to lease a bmw? her friends are jealous. the guy closes his eyes and thinks of his car. and she gets her stud.

the girl spots the older guys out in the clubs because she knows they have more money and she's going to be more likely to extract it from him than she would with a younger guy. these girls might not have finished school but they're very smart. the are like the tigresses looking for get for for her cubs. she can go for the old slow water buffalo that will feed her cubs for days or she can go for a tastier impala that would take a lot of effort and only feed the cubs for one meal.

and we guys? we look for looks and health and vitality in women. that means youth. even though we just want to have 30 minutes with her on the bed, biologically we're attracted to them for their ability to produce offspring. and logically an older woman might be a better mother to your offspring -- more caring, better equipped for the emotional aspects. your cave man brain throws logic out the window.

i'm not saying this to be negative, but it is a fact of life. especially in the clubs. i'm not saying it is right or fair. but a lot of things in life are like that. so i use it to my advantage as much as i can when i'm mongering.

[MonterreyDude]

Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I kee saying that he is totally wrong.
His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship/friendship/etc.

I have complained many times to USB that he is TOO DAMN FRIENDLY to the girls, when you have to be TOO DAMN MEAN with the girls.

Iam extremely rough with them, incredibly rough.
The girls give me their phone numbers (I have tons of them) and of course they expect me to call them. When I don't they ask me later "why didn't you call?" and I answer "why should I... it's a waste of time"
When they ask me "where were you" I answer "at Infinito screwing other girls"...
They totally hate this...

BRB.... this post is not finished.




Look, this is just a friendly philosophical discussion. Whether anyone buys into it is of no importance to me. Frankly, the more that discount it, the better it is for me.

If you sincerely analyze almost every one of your comments, ALL are based on society's norms and expectations, and not upon the girl's actual reaction in private.

You admit in your post that they risk society's ridicule for even having been seen with middle aged men. Almost the entire post is related directly to reactions of others...more accurately, that is the definition of Social Psychology.

I say, take them away from society's scrutiny, and it's a totally different ballgame. I am not talking about 95 year old men, such as what you refer to in your comments, but to men that are still vital, interesting, healthy, etc...just middle aged, NOT 95 years old like Tony Randall, or Hugh Hefner.

My point is that young girls are truly motivated by different things than young men, motivations you yourself have touched on in your post, such as the security aspect, among others. Most of what most men believe motivates a woman is from a man's perspective. In my opinion, applying a male perspective to female psychology is to totally and completely misunderstand what fully and completely motivates women, apart from the obvious biological motivations, which are not nearly as strong in women as in men.

The important point is that all those reasons you gave for them being with us legitimately as older men are a "turn-on" for them, a "turn-on" as much for them as a hard body is a turn on for us as men.

It doesn't matter to me "WHY" the girls choose to be there extraordinarily. It only matters to me to what extent they are there, and to what degree of legitimacy they are there. They are there sometimes for many hours on end, sometimes for almost no money, and consistently so, not from May to December, but sometimes for years on end. That is how I know there is some degree of legitimacy from them.

There can be NO other reason they are there. They are there because they are motivated to be there for "OTHER" reasons than just a hard body and a flat stomach. Frankly, I believe they remain there for reasons most men will never fully comprehend, emotional reasons. Of one thing I am totally sure, when legitimacy of feeling exists, it is not entirely for the money.

Believe what you want. I have proven to myself that much younger girls can be motivated in ways that most men never fully comprehend, for reasons that are not always motivated only be the money, and that the age difference is not such an insurmountable obstacle to a legitimate attraction.

To all middle aged men:

Young girls are not legitimately attracted by physical attributes alone, but through a combination of things, the most powerful of which is emotion, influenced by your expertise with respect to psychological manipulation.

I don't mean to imply using a disingenuous psychological manipulation necessarily. In my case, the psychological manipulations are sincere, meant to solicit a sincere and legitimate affection between two people, a hybrid GFE, even a monogamous GFE if achievable.

You see, I agree with most of your conclusions concerning our handicap with respect to conventionally attracting young girls as a mature male. IMHO, Psychological Manipulation is the only tool we as mature men have at our disposal. I am here to testify that this approach definitely does work. It is not always successful, not all girls are good candidates, results are not always consistent in all cases, it is NOT easy, it is not predictable, and it is not usually initially cheap. But, over time, if one is persistent, it can and does work.

If successful, you can develop in them a psychological dependence, one that yields great sex, significantly legitimate love and affection, friendship, and a level of intimacy that is not usually experienced by the average monger, and you can do so without being twenty years old. Of that, I am personally convinced and totally sure.

Always remember, money gives them the excuse to be there, the sociological and economical excuse. They are oblivious to what they are ultimately getting themselves into. If everything works as planned they are really quite pleasantly surprised. Thank God the money excuse is there as their egocentric psychological justification.

It's like the spider and the fly. :-))))))))))))

[Member #3453]

First, we DO NOT disagree with respect to having a proper strategy for mongering. Certainly, if they are competing for your attention, competing for your business, then their motivation is not an emotional psychological attachment, but a financial one. I understand your strategy with them, and agree with it completely.

Amigomio says, "Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I keep saying that he is totally wrong. His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship, friendship, etc."

I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time.

When I have made mistakes with my GF in the past, slipping back to my old strategies in my interactions with her, it has truly jeopardized what we have together. So, I am doing everything right with her to get what I know is possible within the definition of a hybrid GFE. A hybrid GFE is not really mongering. It is having a legitimate GF. I am not mongering with my GF. That is the distinction.

I try to turn girls that have one kind of motivation, primarily financial, into girls that will yield an altogether different kind of experience, with a minimal financial motivation to their behavior. I get less diversity of action as a result, but I also get a different experience too. For that reason, I am relatively faithful to one girl at this juncture because I don't want my behavior to jeopardize what I like experiencing with her on salida, and because I have legitimately developed feelings for her as well. Were I to conduct myself differently with her, it would ruin the dynamic between us. I can not have it both ways.

I look for a girl to spend hours with me, do all kinds of activities, a girl that actually wants to be there because we are close...a real "relationship," all-be-it one that is most definitely not conventional sociologically, but one that does have a deeper meaning than what you generally find mongering.

I have found that in one girl, and I enjoy my time with her sincerely. But, at the same time, I give up the mongering kind of experience because mongering and maintaining the environment for that relationship do not mix. If I monger, it has to been done with an eye to what might decline with her were I to be caught by her mongering openly.

But, with respect to the comments about a middle aged male not being able to attract and keep a young girl half his age. It is definitely doable, and it is doable with minimal expenditures of money compared to the normal cost of mongering per se. The investment is made up front, just as in mongering normally. But, later, once the relationship is established, the cost is minimal. I have achieved it. That's why I find the comments of na-sayers to be wrong. I have personally been there and done that as a middle aged male.

Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention. It was great for what I want from them within the club, but it will not yield for me what I truly enjoy on salida, not if I maintain that same kind of attitude with them individually. They were strictly competing from my money in the club. There is no emotional attachment. I enjoyed my time with them in the club, but I have little expectation for anything that even remotely approaches hybrid GFE like I get from my GF on salida. I am making some progress with one of them, the other I just met. We will see. I am starting out using your methods, and they work quite well for me initially. They give me exactly what I enjoy in the club, and they break the ice. But, if I employ those same methods to take the scenario further, I will not be successful. Your initial strategies work quite well. But, if you seek what I seek, you have to change over to the USB strategy at some point to bring the scenario along further. But, as we all know, you are not looking for my kind of scenario. It would be detrimental to your circumstances living in Monterrey. For me, it is an altogether different set of circumstances, and I thrive on my hybrid GFE.

I am nice to some that I work on for salida, and I am different to others of them that are strictly for fun and games, sometimes taking them on salida, sometimes having fun with them only within the club. But, the reality is, generally, I am with my GF. Frankly, she gives me so much sex and attention, that I do not really care one way or the other whether I even touch another girl. I am totally and completely satiated by her. Frankly, I believe she believes that if she wears me out, I will be a good boy. She is smart. She stays with me long time, wears me out, and we are both happy.

What I get from my GF is totally different than what I get mongering. There is a huge distinction. I am merely pointing out that we CAN employ methods that will transcend that initial financial motivation in them. It just depends what you are looking for. In my case, I am looking for a different kind of experience. I have that experience now, and I merely look for other opportunities for a future time when things may change between my GF and me.

But, of course, I also have girls that are strictly for fun. With those girls, I do not make the same kind of effort, use the same kinds of strategies, etc...With girls that are strictly for fun and games, I totally agree with you and your strategies. You don't witness me using those strategies now because I have developed a preference where those kinds of strategies do not serve my ultimate purpose, which is to maintain my best hybrid GFE of all time with a really HOT, very sexy, very loving, very attached, very sweet, totally legitimate GF. However, in saying that, I also realize that things can change. So, I am keeping my eyes open, and watching for other candidates. But, honestly, I do not have the energy to maintain more than one hybrid GFE. It takes all I have to maintain that scenario. To take on more than one would almost literally kill me, and rub me raw.


Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I kee saying that he is totally wrong.
His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship/friendship/etc.

I have complained many times to USB that he is TOO DAMN FRIENDLY to the girls, when you have to be TOO DAMN MEAN with the girls.

Iam extremely rough with them, incredibly rough.
The girls give me their phone numbers (I have tons of them) and of course they expect me to call them. When I don't they ask me later "why didn't you call?" and I answer "why should I... it's a waste of time"
When they ask me "where were you" I answer "at Infinito screwing other girls"...
They totally hate this...

BRB.... this post is not finished.

[MonterreyDude]

I didn't finish my last post cause my wife popped into my studio....

Let me quote USB: "Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention."

This is one of the potential dangers of a monger in a 5 star club, one that USB has totally los track of. Thinking that the girls are competing for his attention.
They are competing, but for money.

I was even told that that the N girl got pissed when I sat the Y girl with you. And the other way around, the Y girl was angry with me cause I sat another girl to my side.
(Said Y girl is part of my Sacred Flock)
The upside of this is that USB had tons of fun. Both Wasted and me were a witness to this. Genuine fun due to the fact the girls were competing for a price... or prize.

A monger needs to be aware of this. Not to lower his guard.
Club girls are our enemies when contact has been established.
We have to be on the defensive cause club girls will take all our money away and they will not care at all if they leave us bankrupt.

We have to turn tables on them. We have to catch them when they slip, not the other way around (one of my mayor complaints of how USB operates... right now he's an open mark to all the girls).

They are the ones that must realize that they, not we are open marks.
They are more vulnerable then we, they depend on us, we can do as we wish with them.

Let me quote USB again: "I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time."

#1 Let me correct you: you've had an on and off relationship with your GF, not a steady one cause you don't live here. Let me add it is a good one. Yes, everything USB posts is true when she meets her. Yes, they do all off work activity he mentions.

#2 She is far far far superior to Cindy #1 which you stubbornly are trying to contact again. Cindy #1 will ruin your relationship with your current GF.
Let me get biblical: Please don't sell your first-born for a plate of lentile.

#3 "I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time."
Let me be sincere on this. You have no LASTING brand of strategy. Wasted has a brand of strategy, so do I. Girls ask me for Wasted. My comrades tell me my girls ask for me when am absent. Girls ask only for "the guy with the cookies"... they don't even remember your name.
CONTRARY TO THIS and please take note, your GF DOES ASK FOR YOU and Iam going to be honest, Angry Girl used to ask for you by name ("used" as in I haven't seen her in a long time).
See the diference? It is a palpable difference.
One that Iam a witness to.


Adendum: had a very intresting incident prior to Wasted's last visit. One of the girls both Wasted and me share at the Infinito asked for him... while I was doing her in a privado.
She was instantly banned from my "Favorites" list (My GFs are part of my "Scared Flock", my "Favorites" are my alternates when none of my GFs are present).
Banned means no talking to them, no privados, no nothing... she fully deserved it.
When Wasted was here, he sat as always at his table like a ton of girls, one was the banned girl. While being there, on a moments notice she turns, with Wasted present and tell me "why haven't you done me anymore?".
That is a close as an apology you'll get from a club girl and I caught her on her weakest most open point with her. Relationship with her is now on my upperhand.
Last Friday I came down with her... one of my GFs comes over, visibly angry and says "why the f**k are you going up with her?"
I just sincerly answered "cause I want to".

This is pitting the girl one another, not making them compete for us, which they are not.
Results are far better than anything else.






First, we DO NOT disagree with respect to having a proper strategy for mongering. Certainly, if they are competing for your attention, competing for your business, then their motivation is not an emotional psychological attachment, but a financial one. I understand your strategy with them, and agree with it completely.

Amigomio says, "Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I keep saying that he is totally wrong. His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship, friendship, etc."

I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time.

When I have made mistakes with my GF in the past, slipping back to my old strategies in my interactions with her, it has truly jeopardized what we have together. So, I am doing everything right with her to get what I know is possible within the definition of a hybrid GFE. A hybrid GFE is not really mongering. It is having a legitimate GF. I am not mongering with my GF. That is the distinction.

I try to turn girls that have one kind of motivation, primarily financial, into girls that will yield an altogether different kind of experience, with a minimal financial motivation to their behavior. I get less diversity of action as a result, but I also get a different experience too. For that reason, I am relatively faithful to one girl at this juncture because I don't want my behavior to jeopardize what I like experiencing with her on salida, and because I have legitimately developed feelings for her as well. Were I to conduct myself differently with her, it would ruin the dynamic between us. I can not have it both ways.

I look for a girl to spend hours with me, do all kinds of activities, a girl that actually wants to be there because we are close...a real "relationship," all-be-it one that is most definitely not conventional sociologically, but one that does have a deeper meaning than what you generally find mongering.

I have found that in one girl, and I enjoy my time with her sincerely. But, at the same time, I give up the mongering kind of experience because mongering and maintaining the environment for that relationship do not mix. If I monger, it has to been done with an eye to what might decline with her were I to be caught by her mongering openly.

But, with respect to the comments about a middle aged male not being able to attract and keep a young girl half his age. It is definitely doable, and it is doable with minimal expenditures of money compared to the normal cost of mongering per se. The investment is made up front, just as in mongering normally. But, later, once the relationship is established, the cost is minimal. I have achieved it. That's why I find the comments of na-sayers to be wrong. I have personally been there and done that as a middle aged male.

Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention. It was great for what I want from them within the club, but it will not yield for me what I truly enjoy on salida, not if I maintain that same kind of attitude with them individually. They were strictly competing from my money in the club. There is no emotional attachment. I enjoyed my time with them in the club, but I have little expectation for anything that even remotely approaches hybrid GFE like I get from my GF on salida. I am making some progress with one of them, the other I just met. We will see. I am starting out using your methods, and they work quite well for me initially. They give me exactly what I enjoy in the club, and they break the ice. But, if I employ those same methods to take the scenario further, I will not be successful. Your initial strategies work quite well. But, if you seek what I seek, you have to change over to the USB strategy at some point to bring the scenario along further. But, as we all know, you are not looking for my kind of scenario. It would be detrimental to your circumstances living in Monterrey. For me, it is an altogether different set of circumstances, and I thrive on my hybrid GFE.

I am nice to some that I work on for salida, and I am different to others of them that are strictly for fun and games, sometimes taking them on salida, sometimes having fun with them only within the club. But, the reality is, generally, I am with my GF. Frankly, she gives me so much sex and attention, that I do not really care one way or the other whether I even touch another girl. I am totally and completely satiated by her. Frankly, I believe she believes that if she wears me out, I will be a good boy. She is smart. She stays with me long time, wears me out, and we are both happy.

What I get from my GF is totally different than what I get mongering. There is a huge distinction. I am merely pointing out that we CAN employ methods that will transcend that initial financial motivation in them. It just depends what you are looking for. In my case, I am looking for a different kind of experience. I have that experience now, and I merely look for other opportunities for a future time when things may change between my GF and me.

But, of course, I also have girls that are strictly for fun. With those girls, I do not make the same kind of effort, use the same kinds of strategies, etc...With girls that are strictly for fun and games, I totally agree with you and your strategies. You don't witness me using those strategies now because I have developed a preference where those kinds of strategies do not serve my ultimate purpose, which is to maintain my best hybrid GFE of all time with a really HOT, very sexy, very loving, very attached, very sweet, totally legitimate GF. However, in saying that, I also realize that things can change. So, I am keeping my eyes open, and watching for other candidates. But, honestly, I do not have the energy to maintain more than one hybrid GFE. It takes all I have to maintain that scenario. To take on more than one would almost literally kill me, and rub me raw.

[Member #3453]

amigomio said, "thinking that the girls are competing for his attention. they are competing, but for money."

the girls in the prestige are competing for me as a client. that, i fully acknowledge. but, i also tell you this...and mark my words, the "n" girl is a candidate for hybrid gfe. that girl has all the signs. she is marked, and she already knows it. she is fighting me, but she will eventually give in. wanna bet? and, fair is fair, you can not intervene to make my chances with her lesser if we bet here, openly in the forum. i will bet you a whole, air tight, locking seal box of cookies that she will some day be in the same category as cindy #1, angry girl, and my gf, provided i am stupid enough to risk it concerning my gf, which i am not at this juncture.

and, with respect to lowering one's guard, there should be some kind of bench mark to measure when one's guard has been lowered, and one has been vicitimized or taken advantage of, right?

i remind you that my bar tab was about 25% less than wasted's bar tab. lets see, mine was 1350 pesos for all afternoon with two girls, having a total and complete blast, being almost literally raped by them. you saw it! but, i venture to speculate, i had 75% more fun than you two guys put together. there now, that should also bring wasted out of hiding. :-)))

amigomio further postulates...

"#1 let me correct you: you've had an on and off relationship with your gf, not a steady one cause you don't live here. let me add it is a good one. yes, everything usb posts is true when she meets her. yes, they do all off work activity he mentions."

finally, you are accurate carlos. my gf and me have a really good thing going, a legitimate love affair. she understands and appreciates what we have together. it is much easier to make her understand me than to try and explain it to some guys on the board. she so easily gets it because she is a female. i understand her desires, and i deliver on them. that actually has little to do with sex, but more to do with emotion. the sexual part is her department, and she delivers. the emotional part is up to me. were it not for her, or ones like her, i would not probably return nearly as often, with the exception of visiting mis amigos of course. i do miss you guys too 'ya know.

amigomio further postulates...

"#2 your gf is far far far superior to cindy #1 which you stubbornly are trying to contact again. cindy #1 will ruin your relationship with your current gf.
let me get biblical: please don't sell your first-born for a plate of lentile."

one of cindy's first questions to me was to ask about the status of my gf. so, i agree with you completely. i must be very careful. i will not compromise my relationship with my gf, of that you can be totally certain. and, even more curious, i got the distinct feeling that cindy #1 would like to occupy the position of my gf, if not for legitimate reasons, or old times sake, then for monetary gain. but, don't worry, she could never, ever come even within a million miles of my gfe with my gf.

"let me be sincere on this. you have no lasting brand of strategy."

wouldn't you call a three year love affair with my gf lasting? wouldn't you call my angry girl asking for me by name for two years after we broke up, lasting? wouldn't you call cindy #1 going with me year after year, seeking my out, asking you directly in casino as to my whereabouts, lasting? i call it lasting. but, i agree that my fun is not nearly as diversified as what you and wasted enjoy. but, again, i don't seek your kind of fun.

"girls ask only for "the guy with the cookies"... they don't even remember your name."

i never tell them my name...remember, i don't ask for them, they seek me out. remember, if i want to make an impression, i will apply myself. if they don't know my name, it's because i couldn't care less if they do or don't know my name. i am not interested in them, period.

"angry girl used to ask for you by name ("used" as in i haven't seen her in a long time)."

yes, i am worried...i have been looking for her for the last three trips. nada.

and, one final comment...isn't this banter back and forth more fun than nothing, week after week after week after week....si?

[El Cabron 007]

You two need to end this. Take a chill pill and move on.

Carlos, you know after all these years, 7? that Bob will not see things your way nor will you be able to change his way of thinking. He is living a dream while blinded by the young cute little chicas. Let him be.

And Bob, you love to argue. You love to post on ISG as much as you love your girl, if not more. You fail to see the point. You pick on a single issue and beat it to death while you seem to overlook what Carlos is saying. You try to read between the lines while there are no lines to read.

Bob will fall for any girl that would kiss him. Even if she turns around and French-kisses me while she is setting with him holding his hand.

Oh yeah, you guys know who I am. No need to elaborate. It was a necessary evil. Had to do it. Leave it at that. Don’t question where and why.

Do not turn this into a drama. These are girls who fok for money.

One last thing: Neither of you has the kind of fun I have. I had about 20 girls lined up for Saturday night. I ditched most of them only because I was too tired by the time I was supposed to go out/ meet them at the nightclubs. Only X-girl was able to catch me returning to my hotel so I could not avoid her. But yeah, you guys have no idea the kind of fun I have. Not 25% and not 75%. Think more like 2000%

And Carlos, thank you for mending the damage I leave behind. You're a true friend.

[MonterreyDude]

Damn... from now it's Le Cabron... lol.

20 girls??? What is it? Are you double cross-eyed or something like that????


Let me explain that mongers reading us are getting mixed signals.
They think Monterrey club girls are easy marks, when we have read time after time that people visiting Monterrey,here and at other forums, are sometimes dissapointed by the way the girls act and the difficulty in getting them at the clubs.

So I am being clear that trying to get a girl has its catch, clubs are tricky sometimes and some work has to be done.
It isn't as USB seems to point out that just by knowing the rules, you are all set, no problem at all.

There are complicated rules of thumb one must know to fully understand.




PS. The N girl at the Prestige a GF candidate?
This girl will not get close to me cause she can't get money out of my pocket. For me she is already old news, come and gone. Am inmune to her charms.
She's never achieved and orgasm, she does not want to have one with a customer, she cares more for her actual BF.
Waste of time.
I got 3 girls at the Prestige pitted against each other, that are far superior than her.








You two need to end this. Take a chill pill and move on.

Carlos, you know after all these years, 7? that Bob will not see things your way nor will you be able to change his way of thinking. He is living a dream while blinded by the young cute little chicas. Let him be.

And Bob, you love to argue. You love to post on ISG as much as you love your girl, if not more. You fail to see the point. You pick on a single issue and beat it to death while you seem to overlook what Carlos is saying. You try to read between the lines while there are no lines to read.

Bob will fall for any girl that would kiss him. Even if she turns around and French-kisses me while she is setting with him holding his hand.

Oh yeah, you guys know who I am. No need to elaborate. It was a necessary evil. Had to do it. Leave it at that. Don’t question where and why.

Do not turn this into a drama. These are girls who fok for money.

One last thing: Neither of you has the kind of fun I have. I had about 20 girls lined up for Saturday night. I ditched most of them only because I was too tired by the time I was supposed to go out/ meet them at the nightclubs. Only X-girl was able to catch me returning to my hotel so I could not avoid her. But yeah, you guys have no idea the kind of fun I have. Not 25% and not 75%. Think more like 2000%

And Carlos, thank you for mending the damage I leave behind. You're a true friend.

[Member #3453]

Of course, it isn't bad crap, it is sane advice. I realize that it is made as though I were a conventional monger. But, of course, we all know I am not. As for the cost factor, the majority of the cost is in travel expense. The cost of girls is literally peanuts in comparison. But, of course, I haven't really mongered in about 2 years. I dabble, but only looking very carefully over my shoulder. Those Mexican girls can be very dangerous when provoked, and my GF is no exception. :-)))


"And, even though Carlos gives me a lot of crap about not understanding the dynamic in Monterrey"

Well, I do it for starters cause you are my friend.
And it ain't bad crap, it's sane crap. You just stopped hearing recomendations.
Sane recomendations that you do not pay attention to and it has cost you money.

[Jinxx]

Are there any laws regarding porn production in Mexico. Is anybody producing porn in Monterrey? I know there's an adult website based in Guadalajara. I see alot of porn coming out of South America but almost nothing from Mexico. Does anybody know anything about this subject?

[El Cabron 007]

OK Carlos. You posted earlier that my X-girl is dangerous and is uncontrollable. I agree and I even admit that she is wild like hell.

Now the story is that she got married a year ago to her lesbian partner, who is just as hot, and I was a condition for their marriage. X-girl was not allowed to be seen with me. On the other hand, when the lesbian partner worked at Infinito, she too was forbidden from even talking to me. So they were both instructed, by each other, not to interact with me. Cool.... while in reality, they would both sneak me into their lives risking it all. Now that was a thrill.

Carlos warned me many times not to mingle with their personal lives.

While you, Carlos, had an incident with X-girl and you refused to even set with me if she was around... well .. she is back and she has broken up with her girl. She came back to me just as loving as ever, if not more. She was again mine against your wise advice. And I mean wise in the full sense....

Now, how shocked were you when I forced X-girl to apologize to you? Do you now see how to tame a tiger?

Do you recall when Dreadvany retuned to Infinito? Do you recall that we both were expecting fireworks when I walked into Infinito? Dreadvany came down from the lineup to say hello to me. Sweet P and Julie yelled out from the stage "Y nosotros?" I had to walk up tot he stage and give them both a hug. All while X-girl was watching with bloody red eyes just about ready to kill us all. And crunchy S just waited her turn. Weren't you shocked when I had them 5 or 7 or .... man .. how many? I had them all at my table and each was acting, or trying to act, like a lady pretending to be my special one?

That was the first time you admitted your shock at how I am able to handle the situation and the dangerous girls. The 2nd time was, as I mentioned above, when X-girl apologized to you. You did not expect that.

OK. Enough of that. I am not trying to complement myself. I just wanted to clarify that these girls are nothing but little cute lovely crunchy hot damm sexy adorable kittens that 'we' must fully control. Never ever allow any of these girls to have control. Not even over another one of our girls.

Well, expect for when they ganged up on of my Sweet P’s friends and paid to have her kicked out o f the club. That I could not control. However, that girl still comes with Sweet P and gives me good love while Sweet P joins when things heat up. Ahhh the pain. Sweet P wants to make sure she earns the right to get paid too. I know what she’s doing.

Later. Be safe.

[MonterreyDude]

Talking about Infinito.

Yesterday was Monday... very funny thing happened at Infinito.
Believe it or not the place by 6 pm was full of girls and for a Monday that is very intersting, since usually Mondays are slow and customers don't carry that much amount of money to spend on the girls.

Hell, the girls were complaining that it was too slow.

One of X's former GFs is back from maternity leave and she still growls at me when ever she sees me. She believes am friends with X, that's why she doesn't like me.

But anyway, my full manifest of GFs was there for the exception of one of the girls El Cabron and me share, one of the 20 girls that sat with him last time he was here (yeah right, 20 girls).

I took my steady GF at Infinito to a privado booth for some quality time, but I only got stares to my dirty desires. She complained that I was taking one girls I shouldn't do.
I felt like I was being slapped in the hands with a ruler.
She did not complain that I go up with others, not even when I go up with 2 girls at the same time.
But there is this girl that I shouldn't even touch.
And that's the part I like: weakness in the arrogance of the girls.

I later took up the other girl both El Cabron and me share. Last Friday I was with one of the girls at a booth when she went past and she started jumping up and down "get her get her... I want to suck her p***y"".
And indeed she did. I told her not go down, to start a new count of dances and before I realized, my other girl had pulled the thong down and was indeed sucking the other girl.
She had this funny look plus a devilish smile while she orgasmed.
Ok, so am with her and we make plans to go today to Prestige for lunch. I want her to meet my Prestige GFs that want to meet Infinito girls.
There is a fetish between club girls, a very funny one: They see Infinito as "trash", but the girls that like girls at other clubs are very intrested in meeting Infinito girls... like something kinky for them.

The other way around also aplies, business wise.
They want to go to the 5 star clubs and see how their counterparts fare.
And sometimes Infinito girls fare far much better than them.
For starter Infinito girls get a 400 pesos salary by making 30 privados, no extras involved here as opposed to 300-350 pesos to Prestige girls for 8 120 pesos drinks.
There's like a little balance there, a little difficult to describe.

Well, by the time I finish with my regular GF, I bumped with USB's GF at the main floor. She told me USB called her and asked her about El Cabron's 20 girl line up.
I told her that, as always, El Cabron exagerates. Make it 5 girls and even then that might be an exageration too.
Well, I was there and if you include me too, that would make 5.






OK Carlos. You posted earlier that my X-girl is dangerous and is uncontrollable. I agree and I even admit that she is wild like hell.

Now the story is that she got married a year ago to her lesbian partner, who is just as hot, and I was a condition for their marriage. X-girl was not allowed to be seen with me. On the other hand, when the lesbian partner worked at Infinito, she too was forbidden from even talking to me. So they were both instructed, by each other, not to interact with me. Cool.... while in reality, they would both sneak me into their lives risking it all. Now that was a thrill.

Carlos warned me many times not to mingle with their personal lives.

While you, Carlos, had an incident with X-girl and you refused to even set with me if she was around... well .. she is back and she has broken up with her girl. She came back to me just as loving as ever, if not more. She was again mine against your wise advice. And I mean wise in the full sense....

Now, how shocked were you when I forced X-girl to apologize to you? Do you now see how to tame a tiger?

Do you recall when Dreadvany retuned to Infinito? Do you recall that we both were expecting fireworks when I walked into Infinito? Dreadvany came down from the lineup to say hello to me. Sweet P and Julie yelled out from the stage "Y nosotros?" I had to walk up tot he stage and give them both a hug. All while X-girl was watching with bloody red eyes just about ready to kill us all. And crunchy S just waited her turn. Weren't you shocked when I had them 5 or 7 or .... man .. how many? I had them all at my table and each was acting, or trying to act, like a lady pretending to be my special one?

That was the first time you admitted your shock at how I am able to handle the situation and the dangerous girls. The 2nd time was, as I mentioned above, when X-girl apologized to you. You did not expect that.

OK. Enough of that. I am not trying to complement myself. I just wanted to clarify that these girls are nothing but little cute lovely crunchy hot damm sexy adorable kittens that 'we' must fully control. Never ever allow any of these girls to have control. Not even over another one of our girls.

Well, expect for when they ganged up on of my Sweet P’s friends and paid to have her kicked out o f the club. That I could not control. However, that girl still comes with Sweet P and gives me good love while Sweet P joins when things heat up. Ahhh the pain. Sweet P wants to make sure she earns the right to get paid too. I know what she’s doing.

Later. Be safe.

[Member #3453]

More specifically, I asked her to name the chosen twenty...She said she knows about five, and she named them. But, of course, I believe El Cabron is also active in other clubs. So, I believe it could be as high as eight or nine, maybe.

Of course, we all know at least twenty girls, all of them potential candidates for our kind of fun. I'll bet I know at least fifty girls. And, while Amigomio believes that all know me only as "the guy with the cookies," there are MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY that know me by first name (They repeatedly also call me by something in Spanish, a term of endearment I believe, "El Mamon" or something, so there). :-)))

So, certainly, with respect to El Cabron's claims, he could be quite busy if he wanted to. But, knowing El Cabron's taste, I suspect he would have a difficult time finding twenty that would actually meet his high standards. All of El Cabron's flock are "10s." He would not let a clinker into the club. Of that I am certain.

But, lets face it, we only have the energy to "entertain" so many. In my case, I only have the energy to entertain "one" these days. We are in-fact choosing the wedding dress now. She is eying a "white" (?) dress in the window of the bridal shop in Plaza Real, the bridal shop right outside the Cinema. :-) But, she tells me that the dresses are much cheaper, and she prefers one in particular, at the store that is close to my hotel. She told me during the same conversation concerning El Cabron's flock, that she dreamt that we were getting married in her church.

I know several guys that actually have Wives in the States, Wives in Mexico, Wives, in fact, all over the world. Uhhhhmmmmm, why would they do that?

Don't worry mis amigos...my GF and me might be a little impetuous, very much in amor, but we aren't crazy or stupid.

I can't wait for the fall out from these comments.... :-)


Talking about Infinito.

Yesterday was Monday... very funny thing happened at Infinito.
Believe it or not the place by 6 pm was full of girls and for a Monday that is very intersting, since usually Mondays are slow and customers don't carry that much amount of money to spend on the girls.

Hell, the girls were complaining that it was too slow.

One of X's former GFs is back from maternity leave and she still growls at me when ever she sees me. She believes am friends with X, that's why she doesn't like me.

But anyway, my full manifest of GFs was there for the exception of one of the girls El Cabron and me share, one of the 20 girls that sat with him last time he was here (yeah right, 20 girls).

I took my steady GF at Infinito to a privado booth for some quality time, but I only got stares to my dirty desires. She complained that I was taking one girls I shouldn't do.
I felt like I was being slapped in the hands with a ruler.
She did not complain that I go up with others, not even when I go up with 2 girls at the same time.
But there is this girl that I shouldn't even touch.
And that's the part I like: weakness in the arrogance of the girls.

I later took up the other girl both El Cabron and me share. Last Friday I was with one of the girls at a booth when she went past and she started jumping up and down "get her get her... I want to suck her p***y"".
And indeed she did. I told her not go down, to start a new count of dances and before I realized, my other girl had pulled the thong down and was indeed sucking the other girl.
She had this funny look plus a devilish smile while she orgasmed.
Ok, so am with her and we make plans to go today to Prestige for lunch. I want her to meet my Prestige GFs that want to meet Infinito girls.
There is a fetish between club girls, a very funny one: They see Infinito as "trash", but the girls that like girls at other clubs are very intrested in meeting Infinito girls... like something kinky for them.

The other way around also aplies, business wise.
They want to go to the 5 star clubs and see how their counterparts fare.
And sometimes Infinito girls fare far much better than them.
For starter Infinito girls get a 400 pesos salary by making 30 privados, no extras involved here as opposed to 300-350 pesos to Prestige girls for 8 120 pesos drinks.
There's like a little balance there, a little difficult to describe.

Well, by the time I finish with my regular GF, I bumped with USB's GF at the main floor. She told me USB called her and asked her about El Cabron's 20 girl line up.
I told her that, as always, El Cabron exagerates. Make it 5 girls and even then that might be an exageration too.
Well, I was there and if you include me too, that would make 5.

[MonterreyDude]

USB, my friend... "Mamon" in Spanish is an insult.



More specifically, I asked her to name the chosen twenty...She said she knows about five, and she named them. But, of course, I believe El Cabron is also active in other clubs. So, I believe it could be as high as eight or nine, maybe.

Of course, we all know at least twenty girls, all of them potential candidates for our kind of fun. I'll bet I know at least fifty girls. And, while Amigomio believes that all know me only as "the guy with the cookies," there are MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY that know me by first name (They repeatedly also call me by something in Spanish, a term of endearment I believe, "El Mamon" or something, so there). :-)))

So, certainly, with respect to El Cabron's claims, he could be quite busy if he wanted to. But, knowing El Cabron's taste, I suspect he would have a difficult time finding twenty that would actually meet his high standards. All of El Cabron's flock are "10s." He would not let a clinker into the club. Of that I am certain.

But, lets face it, we only have the energy to "entertain" so many. In my case, I only have the energy to entertain "one" these days. We are in-fact choosing the wedding dress now. She is eying a "white" (?) dress in the window of the bridal shop in Plaza Real, the bridal shop right outside the Cinema. :-) But, she tells me that the dresses are much cheaper, and she prefers one in particular, at the store that is close to my hotel. She told me during the same conversation concerning El Cabron's flock, that she dreamt that we were getting married in her church.

I know several guys that actually have Wives in the States, Wives in Mexico, Wives, in fact, all over the world. Uhhhhmmmmm, why would they do that?

Don't worry mis amigos...my GF and me might be a little impetuous, very much in amor, but we aren't crazy or stupid.

I can't wait for the fall out from these comments.... :-)

[Member #3453]

USB, my friend... "Mamon" in Spanish is an insult.


I know...at least I learned something from the bogus posts from the past? I was being facetious, just poking fun at myself...notice my :-)))) after I posted that little tidbit?

[MonterreyDude]

And you let them call you that?

One of my GFs once told me that I acted overbearing, looked overpompus... you know my reaction?... "said analysis coming from a ho..."
You need to slap them across the face psycologicaly to let them remember who commands and it ain't them.

Small details you let go past you and they keep on acumulating.




I know...at least I learned something from the bogus posts from the past? I was being facetious, just poking fun at myself...notice my :-)))) after I posted that little tidbit?

[Member #3453]

Nooooooooooooo, my post was a joke on me, by me, inspired by that bogus post by MM a year ago or whenever. They don't call me anything but guapo, rico, mi amor, mi angel, mi baby, etc., etc., etc...


And you let them call you that?

One of my GFs once told me that I acted overbearing, looked overpompus... you know my reaction?... "said analysis coming from a ho..."
You need to slap them across the face psycologicaly to let them remember who commands and it ain't them.

Small details you let go past you and they keep on acumulating.

[MonterreyDude]

Again...you don't get it!!!!
They are PLAYING WITH YOU!!!

My joke now.



Nooooooooooooo, my post was a joke on me, by me, inspired by that bogus post by MM a year ago or whenever. They don't call me anything but guapo, rico, mi amor, mi angel, mi baby, etc., etc., etc...

[Member #3453]

Sure, some are saying guapo, mi angel, mi amor, rico, etc...

and they are thinking "el banco," "el dinero," "los pesos," etc...

Some are thinking "el abuelo," "el hombre muy viejo," such as "A" at Prestige, etc...

and the worst of them are thinking "el mamon." In that, we agree... :-)))

All the more reason to stick with my GF...


Again...you don't get it!!!!
They are PLAYING WITH YOU!!!

My joke now.

[Precocious One]

I want to add some input of my self on this, I had some of my best services in Marcellas, It is hit and miss like AmigoMio said but is worth the try, I go around noon in a week day and before the last of the month or the 15.

I had been visitng this AMP since the 90's.

If you don't like what you see, just come back later.

SD


It is more hit than miss.

Recently checked out MP's Horoscope, Deborahs, Ramono's, Habana's and all the others close to Villagran. All not doable. Horoscope is clean but the others are all dirty. Had sessions at Signore with Tania and Rrue. Complete tongue action with partial rim, bbbj, cof. $30/hour with $30 propina. These two girls are the only one's doable there and I would not repeat. The farthest room to the back has been remodeled with wood paneling, strobe light, remote-controlled TV and A/C.

Visited Marcella's twice and I am impressed. Custom in-room showers, A/C and 20-inch plasmas. $60/40 minutes all inclusive with no tipping except for bbbj and anal. Sessioned with 20-year-old Camille. No tongue-action or bbbj as she has a BF but nonetheless, excellent service. Absolutely fuc_ed my brains out for the entire 40 minute session. She appeared to have a couple of orgasms with uncontrollable leg contractions, but I really didn't care as I am just here to fu_k and not pretend that these girls are in love with me. Regardless, the four beads of sweat simultaneoulsy running down her adolescent-pimpled face onto her pert sweat-drenched a-cup titties was a nice touch. It was such a great session that I could see her slumped over breathing heavily into the in-wall A/C unit trying to catch her breath while I showered(thank you Maxifort). I definately recommend her and gave her a $20 tip even though she did not use her tongue on any part of my body.

Sessioned with 29-year-old Salma. I do not recommend. I had to do all the work and she was a disappointment after experiencing Camille. It was probably all for the better anyway as I needed to work off the 13 beers from the prior night. Tipped her $20 as she performed bbbj.

The guy running the place is Gabriel. Nice guy. Told me that anal is on the list at $50-100 and $20 for bbbj. Not all girls offer the extras as previously mentioned with Camille. All five day-shift girls are doable and I plan to do them all before I proceed onto the night shift girls. That shift starts at 7:00pm. Of all the MP's I have visited in MX, which is probably well over 50, Marcella is tops on the list for value and comfort. A very well run establishment.

Bad Girls MP and the porn star Paris ar no longer in business and are in the process of changing ownership.

[Strike 69]

It is more hit than miss.

Recently checked out MP's Horoscope, Deborahs, Ramono's, Habana's and all the others close to Villagran. All not doable. Horoscope is clean but the others are all dirty. Had sessions at Signore with Tania and Rrue. Complete tongue action with partial rim, bbbj, cof. $30/hour with $30 propina. These two girls are the only one's doable there and I would not repeat. The farthest room to the back has been remodeled with wood paneling, strobe light, remote-controlled TV and A/C.

Visited Marcella's twice and I am impressed. Custom in-room showers, A/C and 20-inch plasmas. $60/40 minutes all inclusive with no tipping except for bbbj and anal. Sessioned with 20-year-old Camille. No tongue-action or bbbj as she has a BF but nonetheless, excellent service. Absolutely fuc_ed my brains out for the entire 40 minute session. She appeared to have a couple of orgasms with uncontrollable leg contractions, but I really didn't care as I am just here to fu_k and not pretend that these girls are in love with me. Regardless, the four beads of sweat simultaneoulsy running down her adolescent-pimpled face onto her pert sweat-drenched a-cup titties was a nice touch. It was such a great session that I could see her slumped over breathing heavily into the in-wall A/C unit trying to catch her breath while I showered(thank you Maxifort). I definately recommend her and gave her a $20 tip even though she did not use her tongue on any part of my body.

Sessioned with 29-year-old Salma. I do not recommend. I had to do all the work and she was a disappointment after experiencing Camille. It was probably all for the better anyway as I needed to work off the 13 beers from the prior night. Tipped her $20 as she performed bbbj.

The guy running the place is Gabriel. Nice guy. Told me that anal is on the list at $50-100 and $20 for bbbj. Not all girls offer the extras as previously mentioned with Camille. All five day-shift girls are doable and I plan to do them all before I proceed onto the night shift girls. That shift starts at 7:00pm. Of all the MP's I have visited in MX, which is probably well over 50, Marcella is tops on the list for value and comfort. A very well run establishment.

Bad Girls MP and the porn star Paris ar no longer in business and are in the process of changing ownership.


Who is that pornstar Paris?? And by the way the marcella is now $ 10 more expensive, they charged $ 50 a few months ago.... Some gems were found in the golden age of the marcella such as: emma, vanessa, linda, maribel. They are all now Indy's.
www.pompis.com.mx

[Precocious One]

Who is that pornstar Paris?? And by the way the marcella is now $ 10 more expensive, they charged $ 50 a few months ago.... Some gems were found in the golden age of the marcella such as: emma, vanessa, linda, maribel. They are all now Indy's.
www.pompis.com.mx

Yes I noticed the rate change from prior posts but the time now allotted is 40 minutes as to what I believe was only 30 miutes prior to the rate increase. Regardless, a solid value.

Paris is a twenty-year old MP provider that used to work at Bad Girls who gave me some total porn star sessions before I returned back to the States last year. I'll never forget the way she got on her hands and knees on a dirty floor without me asking, opened her mouth, and begged me to come on her face and inside her mouth. Then after I finished, she proceeded to suck me off, play with and then swallow my cum. I originally posted this back in November and I hope some of you guys got to experience her. She provided me with my best sex sessions ever pro or non-pro.

If you are planning to come back here in the near future, things have somewhat changed from six months ago. Everyone is nickel and diming me from my Qualitas car insurance(the company tried to sell me a policy for $800 when I only paid $300 last year) to cab drivers that attempt to stiff you for a dollar claiming they have no change. After paying the entrance fee to the Tangalay the other night, the original doorman I gave the money to tried to stiff me for two dollars and I had to wait for the other doorman(standing right by him) to give me the rest of my change. The taco guy across the street conveniently forgot to give me a $1.50 in change and I have encountered two seperate hombres at the dance club who tried to bum drinks off of me. One of the waiters at El Cielo stiffed me for .15 cents. Unfuc_ingbelievable. Of all the times I have lived or vacationed in MX, I have never encountered such money hoarding. Ever. If this is any indication of the contracting MX economy, mongering here should be a better value than normal if that is even possible.

[MonterreyDude]

The contracting Mexican economy?
I think it's the other way around.
The Mexican Peso is "whipping" the Dollar the first time in my life.
Less than a year ago the rate was 11.80 pesos per dollar... we are at 10.40 per dollar today.
And still going down.

And Precocious, who better than you that stayed a long time in Mty would know that things change at the clubs and MPs on a daily basis.





Yes I noticed the rate change from prior posts but the time now allotted is 40 minutes as to what I believe was only 30 miutes prior to the rate increase. Regardless, a solid value.

Paris is a twenty-year old MP provider that used to work at Bad Girls who gave me some total porn star sessions before I returned back to the States last year. I'll never forget the way she got on her hands and knees on a dirty floor without me asking, opened her mouth, and begged me to come on her face and inside her mouth. Then after I finished, she proceeded to suck me off, play with and then swallow my cum. I originally posted this back in November and I hope some of you guys got to experience her. She provided me with my best sex sessions ever pro or non-pro.

If you are planning to come back here in the near future, things have somewhat changed from six months ago. Everyone is nickel and diming me from my Qualitas car insurance(the company tried to sell me a policy for $800 when I only paid $300 last year) to cab drivers that attempt to stiff you for a dollar claiming they have no change. After paying the entrance fee to the Tangalay the other night, the original doorman I gave the money to tried to stiff me for two dollars and I had to wait for the other doorman(standing right by him) to give me the rest of my change. The taco guy across the street conveniently forgot to give me a $1.50 in change and I have encountered two seperate hombres at the dance club who tried to bum drinks off of me. One of the waiters at El Cielo stiffed me for .15 cents. Unfuc_ingbelievable. Of all the times I have lived or vacationed in MX, I have never encountered such money hoarding. Ever. If this is any indication of the contracting MX economy, mongering here should be a better value than normal if that is even possible.

[Doubt98]

On my trip before the last one, I noticed there was a lot of people trying to stiff me on a dollar here, forget my change, not have change. It was everywhere I went. Really pissed me off, it makes things seem like work and you have to keep your guard up all the time. The last time I was there it didn't happen once. So things truly do change day by day. I think the bad time was really just luck (bad luck) and had nothing to do with the any particular event.

Amigomio is correct, the Mexican economy is kicking ass right now. I don't know about the previous 11.80 to 1, but the exchange rate now is the lowest it has been in a long time. Good for them! bad for us travelers.

Maybe elections can change things?

[Precocious One]

On my trip before the last one, I noticed there was a lot of people trying to stiff me on a dollar here, forget my change, not have change. It was everywhere I went. Really pissed me off, it makes things seem like work and you have to keep your guard up all the time. The last time I was there it didn't happen once. So things truly do change day by day. I think the bad time was really just luck (bad luck) and had nothing to do with the any particular event.

Amigomio is correct, the Mexican economy is kicking ass right now. I don't know about the previous 11.80 to 1, but the exchange rate now is the lowest it has been in a long time. Good for them! bad for us travelers.

Maybe elections can change things?

The only reason I exchange currencies now is that $100 bills are frowned on at the clubs and the MP's. The 1.15 is not even worth the time anymore. At Signore, it took almost 10 minutes and two guys to approve my US note. And they had the counterfeit pen and the machine. As for expanding economies after negating current inflation rates, China is pretty much the only country expanding while most all developed countries are contracting. The US is currently experiencing unprecedented levels of asset deflation not seen since the Great Depression. And there is really nothing the Fed can do to stop it.

Before I left the states two weeks ago and on my last drinking night out, a strictly platonic US girlfriend asked me,

"Why don't you just stay here and date girls? What is it with you and Mexico?"

I quickly changed the subject, kept quiet and did not want to jeopardize a friendship. I think this video puts it all into perpective.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX59ZBfjAX4

This is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen. Although she probably doesn't think so, her bigger nose actually makes her all that more gorgeous. One thing about the Mexican singers, they absolutley, positively nail the love songs. Other than possibly Coldplay, the US guys don't even come close.

[Doubt98]

The reason I go to Mexico is because I believe that the Latin women are truly beautiful. Dark complexion, big eyes, smile. The other reason is because it is legal there. I'm not going to get some 20 year old girl in the US because she likes me. I don't even want someone that young around me all the time. Like Charlie Sheen said "I pay them to leave." I know that a lot of US women are high maintenance but not all are bitches. Just like not all Mexican women are the ideal, take care of her man in all ways type of girl. One is not better than the other, it is just that there, they offer something that you can't legally find here.

But that gets me to the statement by Precocious about the asset devaluation. Be careful of media hype. Not all assets are devaluing. Some areas such as Arizona, California, Vegas are in free fall. But you have to put that in perspective. Vegas real property values were increasing at over 40% per year, for several years in a row. So now they are down 30%, if you were a long term investor you've still made a profit. The market is just shaking out the idiots and people trying to get involved in something they really don't understand. As far as stocks, the long term value investors have actually done fairly well. Less than 2 years ago I heard someone ask if Blue chips were done and over. This year that is where the profit has been. It's cyclical as we all know. Our GDP is still growing, a fact that people want to ignore. It might be a percent or even a fraction of a percent but so far it has been positive. That's not contracting.
And to tie this together, I'm going to sell some blue chip Wal-mart for a profit, take that and exchange dollars for pesos at a lower rate than last year and see if I can find a hot young Mexican lady to spend it on.

[Precocious One]

Went back to Disneyland(Marcella) yesterday and had a nice session with Carla. She is about 5'9" and 160 lbs with 20 of those pounds in her D-cup titties. Gave me a complete 10 minute tongue bath before proceeding onto a nice bbbj. Geat service and about 20 minutes into it, she told me not to move proclaiming that she was going to have an orgasm and wanted to grind her way into it. Sure enough, five minutes later she does her best Meg Ryan impersonation and collapses on me. Yeah. Right. Whatever. Regardless, I continue to pound away on her and to my suprise she lets me do CIM! Most excellent. When we finish, her body is covered in sweat and she thanks me for the session. Thank you again, Maxifort(Purex Farmacias)! Now, everytime I finish a session here Gabriel is kind enough to give me a glass of water and let me hang out with him in the waiting area as we discuss Mexico and the US. This particular time, another patron tells me about one of the girls there, Miss Prisa(hurry). Well, Miss Prisa takes a John up and sure enough, no more than 10 minutes later she is finished with him and the John leaves with his tail between his legs. A real man-eater. This girl is a complete tool, a tool I plan on screwing and screwing good. Hopefully, next week I'll session with her and a 37-year-old MILF that previouosly tried to stick her tongue in my mouth.

Took a one hour nap to recuperate my 41-year-old body before heading back out to Villagran. Visited my usual stops at the Tangalay, Givenchy, Cielos and the Gorda dance club. One thing about Gorda and Cielos, they show the PPV fights which is great if you are a fan of the sport. Now, the previous Saturday I met a 28-year-old hottie at Gorda and in a momentary lapse of reasoning due to my inebriation, I proceeded to make out with this girl right there at the bar. I do not recommend this type of behavior. Although the Mexican Nationals are very tolerant individuals, making out with one of their hotties in plain view could be deemed as somewhat disrespectful. Anyway, I spot her out and it is on. She takes me upstairs and I pay her $20 bucks for her time with me the other night and for an hour tonight. Well, that hour turned into about three of which two were spent making out. Even though we were in a pretty secluded part of the club, a couple hombres kind of stared me down as I continued to make out with Miss Beauty Queen. In the end, I managed to get a date with her next Saturday night and if she passes her tests, I may be on the receiving end of some discount Monterrey loving.

Fu_k this town is great. Especially if you don't have a non-pro GF to hold you back.

[Precocious One]

The reason I go to Mexico is because I believe that the Latin women are truly beautiful. Dark complexion, big eyes, smile. The other reason is because it is legal there. I'm not going to get some 20 year old girl in the US because she likes me. I don't even want someone that young around me all the time. Like Charlie Sheen said "I pay them to leave." I know that a lot of US women are high maintenance but not all are bitches. Just like not all Mexican women are the ideal, take care of her man in all ways type of girl. One is not better than the other, it is just that there, they offer something that you can't legally find here.

But that gets me to the statement by Precocious about the asset devaluation. Be careful of media hype. Not all assets are devaluing. Some areas such as Arizona, California, Vegas are in free fall. But you have to put that in perspective. Vegas real property values were increasing at over 40% per year, for several years in a row. So now they are down 30%, if you were a long term investor you've still made a profit. The market is just shaking out the idiots and people trying to get involved in something they really don't understand. As far as stocks, the long term value investors have actually done fairly well. Less than 2 years ago I heard someone ask if Blue chips were done and over. This year that is where the profit has been. It's cyclical as we all know. Our GDP is still growing, a fact that people want to ignore. It might be a percent or even a fraction of a percent but so far it has been positive. That's not contracting.
And to tie this together, I'm going to sell some blue chip Wal-mart for a profit, take that and exchange dollars for pesos at a lower rate than last year and see if I can find a hot young Mexican lady to spend it on.

Don't know what part of the US you reside in, but what about this old, used and shriveled-up American girl?
www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/06/27/heart.for.sale.ap/index.html

This stupid former-Realtor thiks she's worth 500k? And to make matters worse, she's probably at least 150k upside-down on her Florida home. Out here in Monterrey, she's probably worth around $60/hour depending if she does bbbj and/or CIM.

Since I would be sick of her snivelling and bitching about 10 sessions into the arrangement, I would save myself approximately 650.4k, give or take a few pesos, by electing for the pay-for-play payment plan.

Fuc_ing American women.

[MonterreyDude]

Let me do some correcting Precocious, just for the guys that don't know and visit Monterrey or will visit the city:

It is not "Cielos", it is El Cielo, brother to Infinito, Givenchy and Matehuala.
It is not "Gordas", it is Sabino Gordo and yes, it is a dance hall.




Went back to Disneyland(Marcella) yesterday and had a nice session with Carla. She is about 5'9" and 160 lbs with 20 of those pounds in her D-cup titties. Gave me a complete 10 minute tongue bath before proceeding onto a nice bbbj. Geat service and about 20 minutes into it, she told me not to move proclaiming that she was going to have an orgasm and wanted to grind her way into it. Sure enough, five minutes later she does her best Meg Ryan impersonation and collapses on me. Yeah. Right. Whatever. Regardless, I continue to pound away on her and to my suprise she lets me do CIM! Most excellent. When we finish, her body is covered in sweat and she thanks me for the session. Thank you again, Maxifort(Purex Farmacias)! Now, everytime I finish a session here Gabriel is kind enough to give me a glass of water and let me hang out with him in the waiting area as we discuss Mexico and the US. This particular time, another patron tells me about one of the girls there, Miss Prisa(hurry). Well, Miss Prisa takes a John up and sure enough, no more than 10 minutes later she is finished with him and the John leaves with his tail between his legs. A real man-eater. This girl is a complete tool, a tool I plan on screwing and screwing good. Hopefully, next week I'll session with her and a 37-year-old MILF that previouosly tried to stick her tongue in my mouth.

Took a one hour nap to recuperate my 41-year-old body before heading back out to Villagran. Visited my usual stops at the Tangalay, Givenchy, Cielos and the Gorda dance club. One thing about Gorda and Cielos, they show the PPV fights which is great if you are a fan of the sport. Now, the previous Saturday I met a 28-year-old hottie at Gorda and in a momentary lapse of reasoning due to my inebriation, I proceeded to make out with this girl right there at the bar. I do not recommend this type of behavior. Although the Mexican Nationals are very tolerant individuals, making out with one of their hotties in plain view could be deemed as somewhat disrespectful. Anyway, I spot her out and it is on. She takes me upstairs and I pay her $20 bucks for her time with me the other night and for an hour tonight. Well, that hour turned into about three of which two were spent making out. Even though we were in a pretty secluded part of the club, a couple hombres kind of stared me down as I continued to make out with Miss Beauty Queen. In the end, I managed to get a date with her next Saturday night and if she passes her tests, I may be on the receiving end of some discount Monterrey loving.

Fu_k this town is great. Especially if you don't have a non-pro GF to hold you back.

[Nuthersucker]

Hello,

I will be visiting Monterrey in a few days and have been planning a well-executed sexual attack on your fine city. Thank you in advance for the info--the map alone is both useful and, in my opinion, a testament to the modern human condition. It will one day take its rightful place in some sort of electronic Smithsonian. A few blanks remain to fill in.

1. I speak some Spanish but am unfamiliar with slang and "adult" language, any tips on words that will be essential to my bargaining/surviving? 2. I would appreciate any tips on nonmongering locales to meet local locas. Swimming pools, hotel bars, clubs, malls. I hope to take a stab at meeting normal chicas before I seek out professionals. B/t/w, forgive me if you run into an elbow, as I am a ruthless coozehound. But as they say, when among mongers.

[MonterreyDude]

Picking up nonworking girls..
The lobby bar at the Crowne Plaza for the 30somehing and upwards group.
Barrio Antiguo scene (on my map) for bars, discos and clubs.
Both cases are valid for weekends only.




Hello,

I will be visiting Monterrey in a few days and have been planning a well-executed sexual attack on your fine city. Thank you in advance for the info--the map alone is both useful and, in my opinion, a testament to the modern human condition. It will one day take its rightful place in some sort of electronic Smithsonian. A few blanks remain to fill in.

1. I speak some Spanish but am unfamiliar with slang and "adult" language, any tips on words that will be essential to my bargaining/surviving? 2. I would appreciate any tips on nonmongering locales to meet local locas. Swimming pools, hotel bars, clubs, malls. I hope to take a stab at meeting normal chicas before I seek out professionals. B/t/w, forgive me if you run into an elbow, as I am a ruthless coozehound. But as they say, when among mongers.

[Precocious One]

Sessioned with the 37-year-old MILF yesterday. A nice experience of fun sex. Do to her personal life, I am respectfully witholding her name. She is a very pretty woman who is remarkably holding up quite well. We fuc_ed on the bed, couch, chair and wall before ending up back on the bed CG with a CIM ending. Complete tongue-bath, bbbj and light RIM were included for the $20 propina. After the session, spent some more time with her discussing various topics of life. A very nice lady indeed.

Went back today and sessioned with twenty-year-old Azul. She has a three-year-old son and is embarassed by her now slightly-distorted but still visually accceptable stomach. She claims to have only been working here a month and it clearly showed. Lots of questions. No tongue bath and I did not ask. Light, worthless back massage leading to bbbj and ball licking. She smelled good and I could not resist kissing her neck in which she returned the favor. Started with CG, RCG then mish. The session started to heat up and then it started to feel good. Real good. Almost too good. Could it be? I pull out and...mutha'fuc_ing broken condom. Fu_k. She quickly gets off and puts on another in which we proceed back to RCG. WTF? What is this red spot on my condom? Blood? I ask her politley and she replies that it is not. Upon further visual inspection, it did not appear to be but at this point, things are not going so well.

Mentally, the session instantly starts going bad. She gamefully tries to please me with chest kissing, ball-sucking and bbbj but for me, the mood has now been ruined. I prepare her for CIM but she babbles something about tres cientos to which I decline and finish COB. I shoot a suprisingly large load under the adverse conditions, one of which catches her pretty face, and she is pleasant in her reaction. For obvious reasons, my worst session here by far. I quickly showered and then proceeded back downstairs to hang out with Gabriel and the MILF while the other five girls lounged in the adjacent room watching TV. Spoke briefly with Miss Prisa and upon closer view, I am no longer interested in having a session with her. She is totally hot, but these girls are infamous for being cold. I continue conversing with the amicable MILF and I would recommend her if this is your kind of thing.

Took Amigomio's treasure map and staked out another MP called Intenzzo which is conveniently just down the street. Two girls were presented to me of which one was very doable. The place seems comparable to a BadGirls setup and a step up above the dirty and unacceptable Villagran locations. $20/hh. Looks somewhat promising and I plan a return trip on Saturday.

The lovely adolescent-faced Camille is no longer at Marcellas and is currently in TJ.

[Precocious One]

[QUOTE=Nuthersucker]Hello,



1. I speak some Spanish but am unfamiliar with slang and "adult" language, any tips on words that will be essential to my bargaining/surviving?


The word "Cuanta" would be a very good start.

[Beavis]

Cuanta is not a word in Spanish.

Cuanto means, "how much or how many", but if you say cuanta they will look at you like, "What the fuck are you trying to say?"

[MonterreyDude]

I agree with withelding names... but, at least name the MP.



Sessioned with the 37-year-old MILF yesterday. A nice experience of fun sex. Do to her personal life, I am respectfully witholding her name. She is a very pretty woman who is remarkably holding up quite well. We fuc_ed on the bed, couch, chair and wall before ending up back on the bed CG with a CIM ending. Complete tongue-bath, bbbj and light RIM were included for the $20 propina. After the session, spent some more time with her discussing various topics of life. A very nice lady indeed.

Went back today and sessioned with twenty-year-old Azul. She has a three-year-old son and is embarassed by her now slightly-distorted but still visually accceptable stomach. She claims to have only been working here a month and it clearly showed. Lots of questions. No tongue bath and I did not ask. Light, worthless back massage leading to bbbj and ball licking. She smelled good and I could not resist kissing her neck in which she returned the favor. Started with CG, RCG then mish. The session started to heat up and then it started to feel good. Real good. Almost too good. Could it be? I pull out and...mutha'fuc_ing broken condom. Fu_k. She quickly gets off and puts on another in which we proceed back to RCG. WTF? What is this red spot on my condom? Blood? I ask her politley and she replies that it is not. Upon further visual inspection, it did not appear to be but at this point, things are not going so well.

Mentally, the session instantly starts going bad. She gamefully tries to please me with chest kissing, ball-sucking and bbbj but for me, the mood has now been ruined. I prepare her for CIM but she babbles something about tres cientos to which I decline and finish COB. I shoot a suprisingly large load under the adverse conditions, one of which catches her pretty face, and she is pleasant in her reaction. For obvious reasons, my worst session here by far. I quickly showered and then proceeded back downstairs to hang out with Gabriel and the MILF while the other five girls lounged in the adjacent room watching TV. Spoke briefly with Miss Prisa and upon closer view, I am no longer interested in having a session with her. She is totally hot, but these girls are infamous for being cold. I continue conversing with the amicable MILF and I would recommend her if this is your kind of thing.

Took Amigomio's treasure map and staked out another MP called Intenzzo which is conveniently just down the street. Two girls were presented to me of which one was very doable. The place seems comparable to a BadGirls setup and a step up above the dirty and unacceptable Villagran locations. $20/hh. Looks somewhat promising and I plan a return trip on Saturday.

The lovely adolescent-faced Camille is no longer at Marcellas and is currently in TJ.

[MonterreyDude]

Precocious...
Iam force to agree with Beavis... he is right.
You are taking as a matter of fact the words you speak in Spanish, but you have to remember that Spanish has gender rooted words.
It's like your interpretation of the Sabino Gordo dance hall as "Gordas".
Sabino Gordo means "Sabino the Fat" as in a man, male implication.
"Gordas" aplies to the female gender and not at all to the bar.

And to further be understood, the place is refered to by locals as "Sabino".




Cuanta is not a word in Spanish.

Cuanto means, "how much or how many", but if you say cuanta they will look at you like, "What the fuck are you trying to say?"

[Member #3453]

Whoa!!! Beavis...what a pleasant surprise...now there's a blast from the past.

With respect to Precocious' word "Gordas," I expect his terminology is probably more accurate with respect to the average size of women found therein than not, si?.

But, I have never really frequented that establishment but one time, with Porker.

Precocious, do tell...it sounds like you go there relatively often. What's the routine, and what's the expectation once there.


Precocious...
Iam force to agree with Beavis... he is right.
You are taking as a matter of fact the words you speak in Spanish, but you have to remember that Spanish has gender rooted words.
It's like your interpretation of the Sabino Gordo dance hall as "Gordas".
Sabino Gordo means "Sabino the Fat" as in a man, male implication.
"Gordas" aplies to the female gender and not at all to the bar.

And to further be understood, the place is refered to by locals as "Sabino".

[Precocious One]

Whoa!!! Beavis...what a pleasant surprise...now there's a blast from the past.

With respect to Precocious' word "Gordas," I expect his terminology is probably more accurate with respect to the average size of women found therein than not, si?.

But, I have never really frequented that establishment but one time, with Porker.

Precocious, do tell...it sounds like you go there relatively often. What's the routine, and what's the expectation once there.

Amigomio is correct. I tend to be somewhat negligent in my reports regarding proper pronunciation. As for cuanto versus cuanta, the latter would be the correct feminine tense as the question would be referring to a ponacha as opposed to something masculine such as a pedal(penis) which I presume a woman would respond to a male escort with "cuanto?". But then again, I could be wrong.

As you know, I am not married which affords me the luxury of mongering for extended periods of time. Consequently, my MO(or stategy as you call it) will be different than the average monger. As with the case of Amigomio, I also possess the same luxury of appearing younger than my biological(41) years. That, coupled with the fact that the girls know I live here and am for the most part somewhat jubilado(retired), they are much less apprehensive to approach a gringo that speaks passable Spanish such as myself. With this in mind, the dance clubs(Sabino, Bar International) can be very prosperous. Not to say that I am not open to a SC girl experience as I had two last year that wanted to put me on their rotation(Sharon of the Tangalay and Anahi of Paseralas). Since I had a non-pro GF pretty much the entire time I was here, I never took them up on their offers of $60 and $100, respectively.

The other night at the newly-remodeled Bar Intenational, I spotted out a totally hot twenty-something-year-old and we made eye contact even though she was with a customer. When she was done with him and returned to her friends, I bought the table a round of drinks without introducing myself and then left the club. Now since I plan on rekindling my affinity for this particular establishment, my stategy of just getting my face and name back out there is completely different than if time were a pressing issue. If I were only here for a week, I would have to make my moves sooner rather than later.

Good to see that you are back with G-girl. For the one and only time I met her, she seemed quite pleasant.

[Precocious One]

Cuanta is not a word in Spanish.

Cuanto means, "how much or how many", but if you say cuanta they will look at you like, "What the fuck are you trying to say?"

"Cuanta" is a Spanish word and is the feminine gender counterpart of cuanto.

At least that is what it says in my 7th edition college textbook "Puntos de partida".

But then again, maybe you are right and the book is wrong. If you have time, you should take it up with the publishers, The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

[Precocious One]

I agree with withelding names... but, at least name the MP.


Marcella. I had previously described the MILF in a prior report naming the location. And I withheld her name only because of her personal issues, completely unrelated to mongering. I will always try to name names, otherwise, wants the sense of reporting if other mongers cannot attempt to share the same sexual experiences? Isn't that the purpose of the ISG?

I would hope that a monger would report here if he were to encounter the porn star Paris instead of hoarding her. It has been six months and I still think about my past sessions with her. It was that good. If said monger were to hoard her, I would not blame him. In fact, she is probaby being hoarded as we speak.

[Precocious One]

After my less than auspicoius experience at Marcella on Wednesday, I was feeling somewhat azul(blue) and thought of the perfect solution...another hook_r. Headed back to Intenzzo MP which seemed somewhat promising the day before. It appears to be a former medical building or could have actually been built specifically as a MP as there are in-room showers. $20/hh and I chose the very pretty Paola, however, not to be confused with the beautiful Paola Rey of pornstar fame. This 25-year-old possesses a very pretty face and a passable body. She has a five-year-old son and has worked at Intenzzo for one year. As she arduously tried to fit on the abused, undersized, 50 thread count sheet on the makeshift three-inch pad masquerading as a mattress, I briefly survey my current environment. Filthy floors, dirty walls and a National Geographic-type bathroom that I will be forced to use once I complete my session. No. These low-end MP's are not for the discriminating monger. As we realize that our futile attempts to fit the under-sized sheet are an obvious waste of time, we undress and I am pleased with Paola and her pretty face. She proceeds onto CBJ(I did not ask for bbbj), ball-licking, partial tongue bath and then CG. She is very accomodating and appears to not entirey dislike her job. I take the full 30 minutes and once the knock on the door occurs, she is kind enough to give me an additional five more minutes of some ball licking prior to my COF ending. A nice girl that I would recommend. Now after the session, like with all girls pro or non-pro, I permit her to shower first. After she is done, I ask for the soap and I get a confused look. Apparantly, that is not included in the $20 entrance fee. She yells something to the manager in rapid Spanish which is entirely unintelligible to me, and I see the manager scurrying off to find my special request. About three minutes later, a bottle of shampoo is presented to me and I am able to shower off my stench of the day. One thing about Signore. The girls have their own private showering area, presumably equiped with soap, which they use after every session. This non-soap thing is really unacceptable to me. It is actually uncalled for as soap is relatively cheap. No. I will not repeat at Intenzzo even though the girls are acceptable in appearance. Gave the pretty Paola a $15 tip, of which she seemed grateful, and off I went to Villagran and the SC's.

After some quality time on Villagran yesterday, some prior thoughts about MX that I remember and am quickly revisiting are that

a) my undeniable love for the Latina has not faded;
b) you cannot go into the SC's thinking I am going to have just one beer;
c) more often than not, the Tangalay is a great club and
d) budgets are meant to be broken.

[Precocious One]

Over the last week, I sessioned at three new establishments(Versace, Las Florecitas, Astrid), revisited Marcella and surveyed four others. With this, I have determined that one must spend between $80 and $100 for an acceptable result and have drawn the conclusion that there are the

A)Good - Versace-$100/hour, high quality girls, average rooms(no porn tv,in- room showers, Air/Heat, slightly run down).
Signore-$50/hour, low quality girls, acceptable rooms(porn,Air/Heat
in-room showers).
Misses -$175-200/hour, premium quality girls, premium rooms
(no porn or in-room showers but all high-end furnishings).
Astrid-$100/50 minutes, high quality girls, above average rooms(tv
but no porn, Air/Heat, in-room showers).
Marcella-$80/40 minutes, good quality girls, premium rooms(porn
Air/Heat, clean, high-end furnishings, in-room showers).
Spacio-$40/hh, low quality girls, average rooms(small, in-room
showers, clean).


B)Bad - This basically includes most MP's that charge between $10-$20 h/h.
The rooms are basically filthy, sub-standard and would violate many
U.S. Building/Safety and Health codes.These places would be deemed
unacceptable by most if not all American mongers that are
accustomed to certain standards set forth by U.S. amps. They are
virtually a waste of time except for entertainment value. Some offer
only cold water showers, no sheets or soap and questionable
practices regarding the hygienic quality of linen/towels.


C)Ugly - Reducline-$60/40 minutes (massage only). This place is truly
amusing. Because of an in-room jacuzzi, the operator now believes
that this facility constitutes Marcella pricing. The fugly presented to
me wanted an additional $50 for sex for a grand total of $110 for 40
minutes. I would not have engaged if she paid me the $110.
Absolutely delusional.
Las Forecitas-$25/hh (full service). Rooms are makeshift cubicles
with no private ceilings or doors. Concrete slab bed with rubber pad
and a cold shower only accessed by overhead water valve. No
soap. No sheets.


Like everything else, there seems to be a pecking order with the MP's. If the girls cannot get into Misses, they go to Versace or Marcella. If they cannot get in there, they migrate to Horoscope, Deborahs, Signore, Spacio or Vivid. In my opinion there really is no reason to go anywhere but the Good, especially if you do not have a car and are regulated to a taxi service.


P.S. All prices quoted above were amounts paid with tip included. Most prices do not include bbbj. Also, avoid Saturday day shift(busy) if possible. I have experienced my best results on Mondays and Tuesdays.

[MonterreyDude]

A girl doesn't just say "today I'll start working at a massage parlor and that one will be Misses".
Trust me when I say that many girls don't even know what Misses is.
They start where they can and once they are in the business they might try up or down once they get to know what kind of MPs are around.

I have seen girls at Romanos, Misses little brother where starting price is 800 pesos, that I would not pay what they charge here.
As a matter of fact one of the girls from Romanos migrated to a place called Miroslava charging 400 pesos as a starting price and still I wouldn't pay what she charges.

By the way, you make it sounds as if Versace, Las Florecitas and Astrid are new joints.
They are not.



Over the last week, I sessioned at three new establishments(Versace, Las Florecitas, Astrid), revisited Marcella and surveyed four others. With this, I have determined that one must spend between $80 and $100 for an acceptable result and have drawn the conclusion that there are the

A)Good - Versace-$100/hour, high quality girls, average rooms(no porn tv,in- room showers, Air/Heat, slightly run down).
Signore-$50/hour, low quality girls, acceptable rooms(porn,Air/Heat
in-room showers).
Misses -$175-200/hour, premium quality girls, premium rooms
(no porn or in-room showers but all high-end furnishings).
Astrid-$100/50 minutes, high quality girls, above average rooms(tv
but no porn, Air/Heat, in-room showers).
Marcella-$80/40 minutes, good quality girls, premium rooms(porn
Air/Heat, clean, high-end furnishings, in-room showers).
Spacio-$40/hh, low quality girls, average rooms(small, in-room
showers, clean).


B)Bad - This basically includes most MP's that charge between $10-$20 h/h.
The rooms are basically filthy, sub-standard and would violate many
U.S. Building/Safety and Health codes.These places would be deemed
unacceptable by most if not all American mongers that are
accustomed to certain standards set forth by U.S. amps. They are
virtually a waste of time except for entertainment value. Some offer
only cold water showers, no sheets or soap and questionable
practices regarding the hygienic quality of linen/towels.


C)Ugly - Reducline-$60/40 minutes (massage only). This place is truly
amusing. Because of an in-room jacuzzi, the operator now believes
that this facility constitutes Marcella pricing. The fugly presented to
me wanted an additional $50 for sex for a grand total of $110 for 40
minutes. I would not have engaged if she paid me the $110.
Absolutely delusional.
Las Forecitas-$25/hh (full service). Rooms are makeshift cubicles
with no private ceilings or doors. Concrete slab bed with rubber pad
and a cold shower only accessed by overhead water valve. No
soap. No sheets.


Like everything else, there seems to be a pecking order with the MP's. If the girls cannot get into Misses, they go to Versace or Marcella. If they cannot get in there, they migrate to Horoscope, Deborahs, Signore, Spacio or Vivid. In my opinion there really is no reason to go anywhere but the Good, especially if you do not have a car and are regulated to a taxi service.


P.S. All prices quoted above were amounts paid with tip included. Most prices do not include bbbj. Also, avoid Saturday day shift(busy) if possible. I have experienced my best results on Mondays and Tuesdays.

[MonterreyDude]

"That is why there will never really be a "right" answer with respect to which is the best venue."

Of course there is a right answer: people that like MPs will always like MPs and distance themselves from SCs and viceversa.
It's a rule of thumb, no special science needs to be aplied here.




Here is one area where Precocious' report is relevant, informative, and deserving of analysis. As a result of reading his reports, it is interesting that my own conclusions about patronizing massage parlors with respect to bang for the buck have not changed, confirmed now most recently upon Precocious' re-examination of the massage parlor scene, and most specifically by his cost analysis.

I can understand that if one can keep costs to around 400 pesos for forty five minutes, and if the typical massage parlor environment is acceptable to one's own sensibilities, then there is possibly merit to the massage parlor scene for some.

But, that having been said, you must know your own sensibilities with respect to your own expectation for satisfaction. The massage parlor experience, on the few occasions that I have returned to it, has always yielded comparative disappointment.

Of course, the cost factor is always a consideration if budgets are limited. So, I fully comprehend the allure of the massage parlor scene. However, if one were to finally conclude that their own personal satisfaction level hinges upon having to spend at least 1000 pesos, then I believe the massage parlor scene is the lesser choice.

If one is going to succumb to the notion that one must typically spend 1000 pesos, minimum, in order to typically achieve overall satisfaction, versus settling for the alternative found in the 400 pesos massage parlor venue, or even partaking in the privado venue in the clubs, then neither of these is the best bang for the buck.

Certainly, in the clubs there is "opportunity costs," buying drinks, etc...to be considered with respect to eventually going on salida. But, ultimately, the potential cost in comparing the 1000 pesos massage parlor scene and the club scene, make the club scene more satisfying, IMHO, when considering the cost versus time spent with us per peso.

To further elaborate, the privado scene in the lower end clubs is NOT an economical endeavor in comparison either. The privado scene is part of my opportunity cost, and a necessary evil, a part of the interview process that can not be avoided. But, fortunately, it can be dispensed with once one is established with a harem. I have seen where a typical session in the privados will cost as much as a medium level massage parlor session, with a 10th of the comfort level afforded by even the lowest of the massage parlor establishments.

There is certainly up front cost associated with the club scene, but I believe that when amortized over time, sometimes getting bar girls down to 500-700 pesos per session once you're established with them, and they typically staying at least a minimum of 1.5 hours, sometimes much longer, sometimes they wanting to stay willingly 3-6-8 hours, the club scene beats the massage parlor scene in the long run, hands down.

But, it all depends on your own expectations. For some, a girl staying 6 hours would drive some guys nuts, no matter what the cost analysis advantages. So, depending on one's own criteria for what is, or is not, a good session, or sufficient time, or cleanliness, or privacy, or intimacy, or affection, or whatever, the massage parlor scene, just like all the scene's in MTY, must be evaluated from a really subjective perspective, and one must know one's self. That is why there will never really be a "right" answer with respect to which is the best venue.

[Precocious One]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Here is one area where Precocious' report is relevant, informative, and deserving of analysis.

Uh, I really don't give a flying fu_k if you or someone else here thinks my reports are "deserving" of analysis. But since you have physically met me, you should have probably already known that. After successfully running numerous businesses on the streets of LA for over a decade, if I had to worry about what every swinging dick thought about me I would probably be bankrupt as opposed to semi-retired. I am not going to speak for the rest of the board here, but the last thing I want to read is another,

"P-girl wants to have my baby even though she knows that L-girl loves me and that N-girl will always wait for me not to mention that my Harem Z-girl fucks me for free and they all tell me that I am the greatest thing since sliced bread."

Regardless, you are correct on your assessment. It is far more economical to get on a SC girls rotation than to frequent MP's. But, one must also consider that MP's provide variety. I have had some awesome sessions the last three weeks which I know would not be duplicated on a return visit.

Like I told you before, you have a good thing with G-girl.

[Strike 69]

Does anyone knows what happened with the Misses website?
The place is still runing but does it has changed the website address?

Somebody told me they have a couple of natural blondes there finally and they do anal for an extra $$$.

[MonterreyDude]

One of the constants of constants of the MP business that advertises via web in Monterrey is informality.
Simply put, they stopped paying cause they just don't care if anyone sees them via the internet.





Does anyone knows what happened with the Misses website?
The place is still runing but does it has changed the website address?

Somebody told me they have a couple of natural blondes there finally and they do anal for an extra $$$.

[Strike 69]

One if the constants of the constants of the MP business that advertises via web in Monterrey is informality.
Simply put, they stopped paying cause they just don't care if anyone sees them via the internet.


Thanks Carlos. I'm not in MTY currently but I will pay a visit to Misses once there.

[Zoom 21]

One of the constants of constants of the MP business that advertises via web in Monterrey is informality.

Simply put, they stopped paying cause they just don't care if anyone sees them via the internet.And do not expect to see any of the girls in the website.

SD

[Precocious One]

Sessioned at three new locations. Miroslava is in a commercial building shared with a car stereo place on the lower level and their location on the upper level. After walking up a precarious flight of unrailed and unprotected stairs(one wrong move and you will be spending the remainder of your time here in a Monterrey hospital), you enter the establishment. $40/30 minutes. The selection was good. I chose Janet whom is a very pretty Latina. But, that is as far as the complements go. An uneventful session barraged with upselling and apathy. Would not repeat. In fact, during the session I ripped off the condom without a release, got dressed and walked out stiffing her of $10.00 as she kept my other $10.00 change from my $50.00. I had promised her a $20 propina and wished that I could have stiffed her for the full amount. It was so bad, I would have been better off digging a hole in the ground and fuc_ing dirt. Nevertheless, the place is clean with nice sheets, in-room shower, A/C and heat but no TV. One final note here is that the location is on the wrong side of Colon and on an industrialized street that is not very well lit or well-populated. I would not recommend this place at night. Even though you are only 100 yards from safety, 99 of those could become very crucial and permanently engraved in your mongering history if you were unfortunate enough to become a victim.

Headed over to Primer Nivel. It is at least a seven dollar cab ride from Villagran. Not good. The aged, 35+ year-old lady would not let me inspect the rooms but was polite in her denial of access. It is $50/hour and because of it's distant location, I would not go back.

Next stop was Sujok 8m. $25/hour. It is now located at 2720 Rio Lerma #1. It is an apartment complex that looks like it's straight out of Compton complete with security bars, broken down cars and a paint job that Earl Scheib could have painted back in the 1980's. Upon entering, it is apparant that the owners did an admirable job on renovating the inside, which consequently, looks nothing like the outside. I was presented with the typical $10-20 h/h type-women. Women that are not doable.

Right around the corner from Sujok 8m is Agencia Bandidas directly across the street from Amnesia Mens Club. $50/hour. Good selection, clean rooms with A/C and heat, fresh sheets and towels along with porn TV. Had a session with 19-year-old Patty who I would probably not re-session with. The thing with these girls is that when they start the propina negotiation up-front, it is probably not going to be a very good experience. Most if not all my sessions have been good if they never ask up-front about the propina.

If one is interested in knowing what a $10-20 h/h Monterrey MP girl looks like, simply head over to the Photo Gallery section and observe the two girls that Amigomio has prominently and proudly put on display for our viewing pleasure. That is pretty much what one can expect. Now, fellow monger Bnlee2 has described Amigomio's girlfriends as "whales", however, I would not go to that extent as a whale is generally referred to as a sea mammal weighing in at an average of 50 tons. These girls may be close but no cigar. I guess some mongers are into this sort of fetish. Not me.

There is one more location that I sessioned at that I am not at liberty to disclose as it is a private establishment and was referred to me by a fellow Mexican National monger while we drank cervezas at one of my favorite watering holes. It is only accessible on a referral basis, so my extremely positive report of the location would be irrelevant and unnecessary for review.


P.S.
One great thing about major Mexican cities is that most have the Caliente Sports Book which offer comparable Vegas Lines. With this in mind...

Antonio Margarito +200. Although most people are picking Cotto, I believe that this is an even money fight. It will more than likely finish inside the distance(over/under 10.5 rounds) and even if you are not a fight fan, this will be the fight of the year and possibly the decade and one that should not be missed. If it does go 12, Margo will probably lose on the cards unless he thoroughly dominates as Cotto is the house(HBO) fighter.

[Slick Willie]

P.S.

One great thing about major Mexican cities is that most have the Caliente Sports Book which offer comparable Vegas Lines. With this in mind...

Antonio Margarito +200. Although most people are picking Cotto, I believe that this is an even money fight. It will more than likely finish inside the distance(over/under 10.5 rounds) and even if you are not a fight fan, this will be the fight of the year and possibly the decade and one that should not be missed. If it does go 12, Margo will probably lose on the cards unless he thoroughly dominates as Cotto is the house(HBO) fighter.Good call on the fight, which Caliente Club do you go to in Monterrey? I used to go to the one in Nuevo Laredo all the time until they closed it down. I even took one of my girl friends there with me one time, which was not a good idea, as she was about the only female non-employee at the place, and we got all kinds of stares, altough we didn't get kicked out.

[MonterreyDude]

Yes runner up, I think I remember you.
And you will indeed have problems finding advise in looking for non pros here.

If you are the guy I think you are, I recomended staying at the downtown hotel district with the options of choosing from the Crowne Plaza, Radisson Ancira, Sheraton Ambassador and the Howard Johnson MOnterrey.
They place you walking distance from the Barrio Antiguo, right across the Macroplaza which has action on the weekends, but for the young and the restless.
And the Crowne Plaza lobby bar caters on the weekend to the 30something scene.

All mentioned hotels in this area are linked to major hotel chains but all are owned by Mexican families, not corporations.

And that is the most I can help you.
Iam not into non pros. Impossible for me to do that kind of action.




Hello, I noticed there are just a few people that post on the monterrey forum but they post alot. Most of the info is not of use to a person thinking about putting a trip together.

I have a wingman and we want to go to mexico, either gautalajara or Monterrey or another city if it makes sense.

I speak fluent spanish, I am in good shape, smart, gringofied and have some money to spend. I like non pros and want to spend 90% of my time chasing non-pros. Don't worry if you think I might have trouble with them, just tell me where I need to stay and where I should be going to find non-pros. I'll be fine. I have asked for info here before and I think Carlos responded, then I ended up going to Colombia again. I want to stay in a nice mexican owned hotel where I feel like I'm getting a deal and not getting ripped off. I would like to be walking distance to shopping, eating and partying. Also, I have read that Monterrey is boring as hell during the day. If you have any ideas on daytime activities I'm all ears. I like the idea of monterrey because it is close and I don't like being away more than a week because I have a family/business. Thanks Guys. Anyone want to meet up I would love to have a city/club tour.

[Strike 69]

Yes runner up, I think I remember you.
And you will indeed have problems finding advise in looking for non pros here.

If you are the guy I think you are, I recomended staying at the downtown hotel district with the options of choosing from the Crowne Plaza, Radisson Ancira, Sheraton Ambassador and the Howard Johnson MOnterrey.
They place you walking distance from the Barrio Antiguo, right across the Macroplaza which has action on the weekends, but for the young and the restless.
And the Crowne Plaza lobby bar caters on the weekend to the 30something scene.

All mentioned hotels in this area are linked to major hotel chains but all are owned by Mexican families, not corporations.

And that is the most I can help you.
Iam not into non pros. Impossible for me to do that kind of action.


Regarding non pros, I became to lazy to try them.
I prefer to order a pro when it is needed rather than spend a lot of money, energy and time trying chase a non pro. Sometimes they are more expensive with no so good result (they don't have the same sexual experience and habilities that a pro has).

[Precocious One]

Good call on the fight, which Caliente Club do you go to in Monterrey? I used to go to the one in Nuevo Laredo all the time until they closed it down. I even took one of my girl friends there with me one time, which was not a good idea, as she was about the only female non-employee at the place, and we got all kinds of stares, altough we didn't get kicked out.

I have only seen two Caliente's here and I believe that I use the one off of Ave. Lazaro Cardenas next to the WalMart. They now charge 3% of your winnings which they never did before. It's very smart of them as it's not like I can just walk across the street and place my bet at the MGM or some other sportsbook.

A nice pick. Ended up getting +190 when it should have been an even money fight. Margo started out at +220 and I think it officially went off at 8/5. The smart money came in heavy on Margo the day of the fight.

[Precocious One]

[QUOTE=Runner Up]Hello, I noticed there are just a few people that post on the monterrey forum but they post alot. Most of the info is not of use to a person thinking about putting a trip together.



You are probably not the only one who thinks that way. A lot of worthless, monotonous and redundant jibberish irrelevant to the ISG or a visiting monger. I don't know why most of these posts by a few people here just don't go on to someone's MySpace blog as opposed to wasting ISG bandwith.

There was a guy that used to post here that went by the moniker's Mill Just/Mastermind that got so fed up with the nonsense that he actually attacked these guys here in a premeditated and malicious scheme executed solely for the purpose of humiliation. There is some serious hate going on in that Mastermind thread.

I went to the Barrio Antigua last weekend and there where a couple Karaoke bars that had an older crowd (mid30's- early 40's). I believe that they are on the cross-streets of Ignacio Allende and Jose Maria Cross Sur. Not too crowded, drink prices where reasonable (25 pesos) and a good ratio of single women. You will do well with your fluent Spanish.

Check out Amigomio's invaluable map for a detailed and birds-eye view of Monterrey. It is on the Reports of Distincton section.

[MonterreyDude]

The main Caliente is on Gonzalitos Ave, right across El Gran Pastor restaurant.




I have only seen two Caliente's here and I believe that I use the one off of Ave. Lazaro Cardenas next to the WalMart. They now charge 3% of your winnings which they never did before. It's very smart of them as it's not like I can just walk across the street and place my bet at the MGM or some other sportsbook.

A nice pick. Ended up getting +190 when it should have been an even money fight. Margo started out at +220 and I think it officially went off at 8/5. The smart money came in heavy on Margo the day of the fight.

[MonterreyDude]

Monterrey Calientes cater to both sexes, not macho style clubs like in the border towns where only men go.
Am sure Precocious can vouch for that.

Slick, am always amused by the way Americans parade their ho's in non ho territory and wonder why they are being stared at.
Cause they stick out like a sore thumb.
It took me a long time to explain, show and demonstrate veterans like ElCabron, USB and others the diferences between ho's and regular normal run of the mill girls.

Thing is we Mexicans can detect a hooker a mile away.




Good call on the fight, which Caliente Club do you go to in Monterrey? I used to go to the one in Nuevo Laredo all the time until they closed it down. I even took one of my girl friends there with me one time, which was not a good idea, as she was about the only female non-employee at the place, and we got all kinds of stares, altough we didn't get kicked out.

[Precocious One]

[QUOTE=Runner Up]Hello, I noticed there are just a few people that post on the monterrey forum but they post alot. Most of the info is not of use to a person thinking about putting a trip together.



You are probably not the only one who thinks that way. A lot of worthless, monotonous and redundant jibberish irrelevant to the ISG or a visiting monger. I don't know why most of these posts by a few people here just don't go on to someone's MySpace blog as opposed to wasting ISG bandwith.

There was a guy that used to post here that went by the moniker's Mill Just/Mastermind that got so fed up with the nonsense that he actually attacked these guys here in a premeditated and malicious scheme executed soley for the purpose of humiliation. There is some serious hate going on in that Mastermind thread.

I went to the Barrio Antigua last weekend and there where a couple Karaoke bars that had an older crowd (mid30's- early 40's). I believe that they are on the cross-streets of Ignacio Allende and Jose Maria Cross Sur. Not too crowded, drink prices where reasonable (25 pesos) and a good ratio of single women. You will do well with your fluent Spanish.

Check out Amigomio's invaluable map for a detailed and birds-eye view of Monterrey. It is on the Reports of Distincton section.

Runner Up-

One more thing. If you do decide to come here, try to post a trip report on your experience. I am also into the non-pro action and would like to know how you guys fared, where you went, what you experienced both good and bad, what you did right and wrong and any and all pointers you can provide.

Your mastery of the Spanish language will be key here. Guys that don't speak any have little if any chance on the non-pro action. It's really not even worth their time.

Bien suerte.

[Precocious One]

Does anyone knows what happened with the Misses website?
The place is still runing but does it has changed the website address?

Somebody told me they have a couple of natural blondes there finally and they do anal for an extra $$$.

www.missesdiamante.com.mx

[Strike 69]

www.missesdiamante.com.mx


Thanks for the link.

Somebody recommended me Ivana and Denisse.
Aurora, Evelyn and Alejandra look tasty too, but I have no references from them. I will check them out next time I arrive to MTY

[MonterreyDude]

Strike... don't think you'll find true blondes here at Misses.



Thanks for the link.

Somebody recommended me Ivana and Denisse.
Aurora, Evelyn and Alejandra look tasty too, but I have no references from them. I will check them out next time I arrive to MTY

[Ssmc2]

I'd take sugardaddys advice if I were you. I've seen at least two of those pics on the site Dosual (excellent in its own right). Caro and Estrella's pics are the ones I'm referring to. But hey maybe they are the chicks on the Dosual site.

[MonterreyDude]

Good call Ssmc2.
They are from Dosual, a website that places on the web pictures of non working girls from Argentina.
Not Mexicans nor girls from Monterrey.
Means not all the pics on the Misses site are true.




I'd take sugardaddys advice if I were you. I've seen at least two of those pics on the site Dosual (excellent in its own right). Caro and Estrella's pics are the ones I'm referring to. But hey maybe they are the chicks on the Dosual site.

[Strike 69]

Strike... don't think you'll find true blondes here at Misses.

In Mexico city it is common to find SP (service providers or working girls) who are natural blondes or blacks but looks like in the rest Mexico is near impossible to find that kind of sex workers...... to bad.

If the DF wasn't that dangerous I will monger there more often.

Maybe in the future this situation will change, so far if you want a sex worker who is natural blonde in MTY the traveling divas in the city are the option but they are Russian roulette (sometimes you find a true jewel sometimes you should have stayed at home instead of hiring one).

[Precocious One]

I'd take sugardaddys advice if I were you. I've seen at least two of those pics on the site Dosual (excellent in its own right). Caro and Estrella's pics are the ones I'm referring to. But hey maybe they are the chicks on the Dosual site.

I believe that the sister club of Misses is Romanos(per Amigomio). I sessioned at Romanos twice this week. $60/30; $80/40; $100/60. Highly recommended. Sessioned both times($80/40) with a twenty-one-year-old girl (cannot give name due to respect of her personal life) who gave me DFK, tongue bath, ball-licking and a five-minute anal lick(after DFK) to COF completion. Not really GFE, but nevertheless great sex. Both were sweat-drenched sessions. $20 propina.

Quality of chicas here is excellent. All the girls are under 25 and no gorditas. In-room showers, small bed with no porn TV. Like Misses, a well-run establishment. After I was finished, the owner wanted to know if my session was acceptable and I got the impression that if a girl gets too many complaints, she will not be employed here very long.

The one great thing about the mass proliferation of MP's in Monterrey is that once you get tired of one place...you can just move onto the next.

[Zoom 21]

I'm not use to ask to much in the forums but I want to know if the service from Austin to Monterrey is avaliable?

Or any other option beside the Bus?

[MonterreyDude]

Yes it is.

http://www.vivaaerobus.com

Quite cheap if you live in the Austin area.
Might be a good option if you fly from somewhere else.
Fly into Austin (change terminals via shttle) and then into Monterrey.






I'm not use to ask to much in the forums but I want to know if the service from Austin to Monterrey is avaliable?

Or any other option beside the Bus?

[Slick Willie]

Yes it is.

http://www.vivaaerobus.com

Quite cheap if you live in the Austin area.
Might be a good option if you fly from somewhere else.
Fly into Austin (change terminals via shttle) and then into Monterrey.After you've added in the taxes it's still a lot cheaper on the bus.

[Zoom 21]

Yes it is.

http://www.vivaaerobus.com

Quite cheap if you live in the Austin area.

Might be a good option if you fly from somewhere else.

Fly into Austin (change terminals via shttle) and then into Monterrey.Thank you Amigo Mio, I will try to find a plane to be there labor day weekend.

SD.

[Marius 67]

Hey everyone,

After a long 2 years of Nursing school I'am ready to get back into things. Are salidas as easy as in 2006. And is the best western or the Placa del Arco still good places to bring them back or whats the new hotels that allow chicas. I used to love reading Unspongedsqaure pants and Carlos post they were the best. If any body could answer Thanks and god bless. Just a quik update on major points would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Friends!

[MonterreyDude]

Up to now, after a 2 year span from your last stay, nothing has changed.

New hotels that allows girls... none.
Salidas as easy as before... still easy.





Hey everyone,

After a long 2 years of Nursing school I'am ready to get back into things. Are salidas as easy as in 2006. And is the best western or the Placa del Arco still good places to bring them back or whats the new hotels that allow chicas. I used to love reading Unspongedsqaure pants and Carlos post they were the best. If any body could answer Thanks and god bless. Just a quik update on major points would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Friends!

[Super Gato]

Yes it is.

http://www.vivaaerobus.com

Quite cheap if you live in the Austin area.
Might be a good option if you fly from somewhere else.
Fly into Austin (change terminals via shttle) and then into Monterrey.

There actually isn't a free shuttle between terminals in Austin. You can take a taxi for $25! (up to 4 people) or $10 each for Supershuttle from the main terminal to the South Terminal that has vivaAerobus.

Although the South Terminal is just on the other side of the runways from the main terminal, the drive outside the airport is several miles. The terminal has its own parking and car rental.

It is definitely worth going through Austin if you live in Central Texas. Vivaaerobus's rates are about $200 round trip when all of the fees and taxes are put in. It is still much cheaper and much more convenient than you can find most of the time from San Antonio (Mexicana discontinued the SAT-MTY nonstop flight in April) and Dallas. American from DFW no longer has really cheap fares to MTY (or other Mexican cities). You can sometimes get good deals to MTY on Continental or Aviacsa.

The key to getting a good rate on vivaAerobus is to buy 5 or 6 weeks in the future when the "1 peso" or "10 peso" fares are around. But there are about $75 in fees each way. The highest fare I've seen to Monterrey is 550 pesos then the $75+ in fees (some of the fees are based on a percentage of the fare). Like many airlines, if you check luggage, it costs more. And they charge for everything. They also have an email newsletter with its fare sales on it (Mine comes in Spanish, and about 90% of the offers are for flights from Monterrey to other Mexican cities) but sometimes the Austin flight comes up.

The other negative is the flight from MTY to Austin leaves Monterrey really early in the morning (it leaves at 6:50am). The good part of that is it gets to Austin by about 8am so you can go straight to work from the plane and catch up on sleep at the office. :)

[Zoom 21]

There actually isn't a free shuttle between terminals in Austin. You can take a taxi for $25! (up to 4 people) or $10 each for Supershuttle from the main terminal to the South Terminal that has vivaAerobus.

Although the South Terminal is just on the other side of the runways from the main terminal, the drive outside the airport is several miles. The terminal has its own parking and car rental.

It is definitely worth going through Austin if you live in Central Texas. Vivaaerobus's rates are about $200 round trip when all of the fees and taxes are put in. It is still much cheaper and much more convenient than you can find most of the time from San Antonio (Mexicana discontinued the SAT-MTY nonstop flight in April) and Dallas. American from DFW no longer has really cheap fares to MTY (or other Mexican cities). You can sometimes get good deals to MTY on Continental or Aviacsa.

The key to getting a good rate on vivaAerobus is to buy 5 or 6 weeks in the future when the "1 peso" or "10 peso" fares are around. But there are about $75 in fees each way. The highest fare I've seen to Monterrey is 550 pesos then the $75+ in fees (some of the fees are based on a percentage of the fare). Like many airlines, if you check luggage, it costs more. And they charge for everything. They also have an email newsletter with its fare sales on it (Mine comes in Spanish, and about 90% of the offers are for flights from Monterrey to other Mexican cities) but sometimes the Austin flight comes up.

The other negative is the flight from MTY to Austin leaves Monterrey really early in the morning (it leaves at 6:50am). The good part of that is it gets to Austin by about 8am so you can go straight to work from the plane and catch up on sleep at the office. :)Seems to be to much hassle, I think I'm going to drive then.

SD

[Precocious One]

Seems to be to much hassle, I think I'm going to drive then.

SD


Don't forget to buy insurance. I always purchased mine prior to arrival from AAA. Something like $20/day back in the early to mid 2000's. If you get into an accident here without it, you will probably go to jail until you can post resititution.

Qualitas tried to sell me a one year policy for $800.00 when I first arrived here in June. Fortunately, I had saved my policies from last year as well as the prior year and presented both of the them in which a new special rate($275.00 same as last year) was serendipitously offered to me as I was re-categorized as a renewal.

Yeah.
Right.
That's it.
A special "renewal" rate.

[Oso Grande]

I need a recent report on where to go and what to do in Monterey. More specifically if there is a place similar to HDR in Costa Rica. Also, any location where there seems to be Colombian women.

[Oso Grande]

I am a first time visitor to Monterey. Need to know where to go and what to do. Is there a HRD type of hotel in Monterey? Is there anywhere there seems to be a lot of Colombian women?

[MonterreyDude]

Oso Grande, Monterrey is no where close to Colombia in all senses and the city is not structured as Costa Rica and Colombia as in catering business in favor of international mongers.
Yes, sorry to tell you, you will not find Colombian girls, you will not find as a matter of fact girls from SA except maybe at the 5 star clubs and charging gold for their services.
You will only find Mexican girls.

And no sir. Monterrey is an expensive city. An almost 4 million people city way above in prices to Central American countries.

There are many strip clubs and many massage parlors on all price levels, to be found all over the downtown area, but none focused to tourism, but to local folk.
Although you must have gathered by now that Monterrey will welcome Americans with open arms and Iam not kidding on this.

There are no bars where you can get pros and take them to hotels.
Almost everything is done in-call at the clubs.
You must pay a barfine plus the girls fee if you want to do something with them.
Starting price here is 130 dlls for a 1 -1.5 hour outing and then the girl must go back.
After this, prices jump to 200 dlls and up.
There are even clubs where the girls will not be allowed to leave with a customer. They are even punished if they find out that the girl is making money on the side.

All nighters are almost nil in Monterrey. Girls make more money within the clubs than going out with customers.
( I will give you an example: am writing this just in from my regular club rounds, 2:00 am local time... I spent 40 dlls at the Harem club buying drinks to a girl, a couple of booth dances, my drinks and no sex. And that was cheap for me)

Oso Grande, start budgeting high.
An in-club outing will cost you on the average a low price of 50 dlls at El Infinito going way up into 400 dlls at 5 star clubs like Amnesia and Premiere, with Harem, Pasarelas, Casino and Poisson in the middle.

Oso, check the "Links to Reports of Distinction"
Post #7 has my Monterrey map link.
That WILL give you an idea of the city. It's a 2 page Google Map with everything on it, including clubs, massage parlors, and hotels, malls, plus fast food outlets.

So, now that you know, ask your questions.
We guys here will be glad to answer them.







I am a first time visitor to Monterey. Need to know where to go and what to do. Is there a HRD type of hotel in Monterey? Is there anywhere there seems to be a lot of Colombian women?

[Oso Grande]

Thanks for the info. I frequent Costa Rica and know that several of the Colombian ladies have left HDR for Monterey. I am looking for one in particular her name is Johana. If you run across her I would appreciate a heads up. The girls in Costa Rica are not doing as well as in the past and are looking for more fertile ground.

[Albundy2]

Incredible map!

I'm guessing
SC= strip club
MP= Massage Parlor

What are SM and MC?

Also I'll be going into Monterrey for some meetings and arriving in the AM. Which of the many MPs listed would be a good first stop after dropping luggage?

I'll be occupied in the evenings. Which SCs are good in the afternoons?

[MonterreyDude]

Oso Grande, am sorry but I don't think you'll find an answer for that here.

And am sorry, am biased, I prefer local girls. Always will.
The 6 clubs I go to have only local girls and probably Mexican girls from other parts of the country.

Sincerely speaking it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.




Thanks for the info. I frequent Costa Rica and know that several of the Colombian ladies have left HDR for Monterey. I am looking for one in particular her name is Johana. If you run across her I would appreciate a heads up. The girls in Costa Rica are not doing as well as in the past and are looking for more fertile ground.

[MonterreyDude]

Al, you guessed right.

Plus SM and MC are terms we use here in Monterrey.
SM is "Sala de Masaje"
MC is "Men's Club.

Al, you need to tell me what do you want to pay.
Prices strt at 150 pesos at the always excelent Signore, going up to 2000 pesos at Misses, via Horoscope (350), Versace (600), Marcella (800) and Romanos (1000).

My map should include the MP's webpages (where available) and the MP's open at 10 AM, some closing at 10 PM.

About SC's, you should try them, they close at sun-up.






Incredible map!

I'm guessing
SC= strip club
MP= Massage Parlor

What are SM and MC?

Also I'll be going into Monterrey for some meetings and arriving in the AM. Which of the many MPs listed would be a good first stop after dropping luggage?

I'll be occupied in the evenings. Which SCs are good in the afternoons?

[Precocious One]

Incredible map!

I'm guessing
SC= strip club
MP= Massage Parlor

What are SM and MC?

Also I'll be going into Monterrey for some meetings and arriving in the AM. Which of the many MPs listed would be a good first stop after dropping luggage?

I'll be occupied in the evenings. Which SCs are good in the afternoons?


For the last three months, I have visited about 25+ different MP's and tried about 10 of them. I do not advise the $10-20/hh places you see advertised in the "El Sol" newspaper. They are essentially a waste of time. My recommendations are and in no particular order:

Marcella $60/40 minutes
Misses $160-200/60 minutes
ManGho $160-200/60 minutes-Also a drinking establishment/club
Romanos $60/30;$80/40 and $100/60 minutes
Versace $90/50 minutes
Bandidas $50/60 minutes

I also frequent a private casa($110/90 minutes) that I cannot reveal as it is an invite-only(illegal) establishment. Occasionally, when I am totally hung over, I sometimes see two girls named Rrea and Tania at Signore that I do not fuck(not doable for my standards) but give great one hour tongue-baths($30/hr $30 propina) and will do bbbj with COF. Rrea in particular is a really nice girl. You may also visit Medusass($80/50 minutes) and Giza($100/60 minutes). I have yet to try these MP's but they appear to be excellent establishments.

$20 is considered a very good tip in the Monterrey MP's and you will be welcomed back on a return visit. However, tipping is not required. I only do so because I am a regular at the MP's and want excellent service. You do not need to tip at ManGho, Misses or any MP that charges over $100/hr. The propina is already priced in. Also, if the girl asks for the propina up-front, just fu_k her and leave. In my experience(three times), the sessions have been poor or barely acceptable.

I am heading to Romanos today. Maybe I'll see you there.

P.S.
Make sure you print out Amigomio's invaluable map. Circle the establishment's and give it to the taxi driver. These guys often conveniently get "lost" even though they know exactly where they are going.

P.S.S.
If you need Viagra, Purex Farmacias has a Mexican version called Maxifort which I highly recommend. They run $19.00 for four 50mg tablets. Also, if you plan on using your credit card, call and inform them that you are here in MX. My Chase card once got rejected (fraud prevention) in Misses while I was holding my dick in my hand.

Needless to say, very embarassing. Especially when you are about to fu_k a drop-dead gorgeous, 20-year-old Latina.

[Precocious One]

Thanks for the info. I frequent Costa Rica and know that several of the Colombian ladies have left HDR for Monterey. I am looking for one in particular her name is Johana. If you run across her I would appreciate a heads up. The girls in Costa Rica are not doing as well as in the past and are looking for more fertile ground.


The closest I have come to a Colombian chica is a Cuban girl that works at Paloma Mens Club. Her name is Miranda, 31 years-old with two kids and possesses an absolutely incredible body. She offered herself up for $100/2hour salida and claimed she does not do privados as the section lacked A/C and is uncomfortable.


If Cuban girls are your thing, she appears to be very doable.

[Oso Grande]

The closest I have come to a Colombian chica is a Cuban girl that works at Paloma Mens Club. Her name is Miranda, 31 years-old with two kids and possesses an absolutely incredible body. She offered herself up for $100/2hour salida and claimed she does not do privados as the section lacked A/C and is uncomfortable.

If Cuban girls are your thing, she appears to be very doable.I know she is there with some of her Colombian "amigas". She will probably be in an area that is upperscale or similar to the Del Rey. She is a "9+". If you happen to run across her give me a heads up. Thanks

[Member #3453]

Were I you, I would check Carlos' map for the *****houses, which are probably the closest in format to a Delrey kind of environment.

I would almost totally forget about the massage parlors and lower to medium strip clubs initially.

The higher end strip clubs have some potential if she is really HOT, and/or a very skilled saleswomen. But, there again, being a stripper, essentially a "drink seller," in one Monterrey's higher end strip clubs requires significant game beyond mere appearance, and it's a whole different kind of business than working the Delrey.

The same can be said of the medium to lower end MPs. Check the high end MPs first. Forget about wasting your time in the hotels. Monterrey does not resemble Costa Rica in anyway with respect to hotels. Matter of fact, most of the hotels strictly enforce security rules against any kind of P4P business getting even a slight foothold. Fact is, you will almost find it impossible to find any decent quality high end hotels that permit you to bring girls to your room. There may be some action in the bars around the high end motels, but even if you find her, you will not be getting in at any of the hotels that surround those bars. But, I agree that it would be, and is, like looking for a needle in a haystack in Monterrey's vast P4P industry. Consider this, even when I already know the girl, and I happed to loose track of her, it is a monumental task even finding her again. Sometimes it takes two or three months of putting significant feelers out to find them.

The Delrey, and the environment in Monterrey are very dis-similar. Pardon this crass analogy but, comparing Costa Rica to Monterrey with respect to the scope of the P4P industry is like comparing New York City to Boise, Idaho. Be prepared to confront a whole different way of playing the game compared to Costa Rica. Been there, done both. I think you would be wasting your time in the medium to low end strip clubs, high end, medium, or low end hotels, and/or the low to medium level MPs.

The truth is, after about 8 years of working the Monterrey environment on a monthly basis, Carlos is absolutely correct. I can honestly say I have NEVER encountered a girl from Columbia, or anywhere else per se. For all intents and purposes, they are almost ALL from Mexico. I am almost shocked myself at the realization that I have literally NEVER encountered a girl that came from another country other than Mexico. Of course, they do exist, but really, they are very, very, rare.



I know she is there with some of her Colombian "amigas". She will probably be in an area that is upperscale or similar to the Del Rey. She is a "9+". If you happen to run across her give me a heads up. Thanks

[Precocious One]

It took me two months to finally find a MP girl(Paris) that I was seeing last year. She has retired from the business and is currently being hoarded by her BF. I had lunch with her two weeks ago and still have not had time to set up a session with her as I have four MP girls that I am now seeing on a weekly basis. I currently do not have the time or budget for a fifth although I very badly want to fu_k this Paris girl again.

You may enjoy the S/C girls but they are not for everyone. The up-front expenses(privados, fichas), time and effort are not worth it for some of us. $100 for two hours along with a hotel fee(I never bring hook_rs back to my house. The last thing I need is some tattoed, meth-addict BF banging on my $2500 solid mahogany door.) comes out to $120. The MP girls I see for $70-$110 are all-inclusive. One pop with one particular location(90 minutes/$110) providing two pops if so desired. On a pro-rated cumshot basis, the MP girls are more expensive than the S/C girl but the second pop offered by the S/C girl would need to be drastically discounted from the first. There is obviously more value to having sex with two different girls(at different times) than one, especially one that you have just absolutely, positively fuc_ed the sh_t out of in which both of you have nothing left to give and are completely spent. By contrast, I guess one can somewhat justify a certain pyschiatric, intrinsic value on the 20 minutes or so of down-time between shots in which the S/C hook_r strokes your ego and claims that you are some cabron stud thus enabling you to brag about how great you are on some anonymous sex site. But for most of us here that don't suffer from low self-esteem issues, we just don't need that part of the deal offered by the S/C hook_r. We're just here for scorching, sweat-drenched sex with hot Latinas.

On a cost basis, if a monger where to be coming into Monterrey for a few days or a week, the mid-range MP's($60-100/40-60 minutes) are hands-down the best pure sex value without a doubt.

I get hard just thinking about some of these MP girls that I am currently fuc_ing.

[MonterreyDude]

Precious says: "Good post. Completely absent of any narcissistic, self-absorbed or condescendingly know-it-all comments. Maybe you guys have finally learned something from that Mastermind/Mill Just episode."

Yes, of course we learned from said episode: we learned that thanks to that episode, we will not comment at all on the clubs except on important facts cause there are posters that have no good intentions.

Our help will go to people like Oso Grande that think that Monterrey is like Costa Rica and need some hard explaining that looking for one Colombian girl is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

Which by the way I just realize that I know a girl from Honduras. She told my GF from one of the SCs that she will not mention her nationality as an asset to her work cause now a days it does not help them, on the contrary it is a magnet of INM, the Insitituto Nacional de Migracion, our Migra that is on the lookout for nonMexican girls.
Here in Monterrey they catch them and expel them from the country on the spot.

No Oso Grande, you have no idea of the size of Monterrey nor the ammount of clubs, MPs, due to size of the city.

By the way Prococious, your MP material is invaluable.
It truely is up to the point I include it in my map whenever possible.
(Like am asking now, where is La Paloma that you mentioned earlier).

But you say and I quote "narcissistic, self-absorbed".
Come on Pro, you yourself write here of an MP that none of us can go without a personal invitation... that you are the only lucky guy that can go there.

Why do you post such if it is unreachable to us posters???

One way or another, you are like us.
It's in our nature.





Good post. Completely absent of any narcissistic, self-absorbed or condescendingly know-it-all comments. Maybe you guys have finally learned something from that Mastermind/Mill Just episode.

It took me two months to finally find a MP girl(Paris) that I was seeing last year. She has retired from the business and is currently being hoarded by her BF. I had lunch with her two weeks ago and still have not had time to set up a session with her as I have four MP girls that I am now seeing on a weekly basis. I currently do not have the time or budget for a fifth although I very badly want to fu_k this Paris girl again.

You may enjoy the S/C girls but they are not for everyone. The up-front expenses(privados, fichas), time and effort are not worth it for some of us. $100 for two hours along with a hotel fee(I never bring hook_rs back to my house. The last thing I need is some tattoed, meth-addict BF banging on my $2500 solid mahogany door.) comes out to $120. The MP girls I see for $70-$110 are all-inclusive. One pop with one particular location(90 minutes/$110) providing two pops if so desired. On a pro-rated cumshot basis, the MP girls are more expensive than the S/C girl but the second pop offered by the S/C girl would need to be discounted from the first. There is obviously more value to having sex with two different girls(at different times) than one, especially one that you have just absolutely, positively fuc_ed the sh_t out of in which both of you have nothing left to give and are completely spent. By contrast, I guess one can somewhat justify a certain pyschiatric, intrinsic value on the 20 minutes or so of down-time between shots where the S/C hook_r strokes your ego and claims that you are some cabron stud thus enabling you to brag about how great you are on some anonymous sex site. But for most of us here that don't suffer from low self-esteem issues, we just don't need that part of the deal offered by the S/C hook_r. We're just here for hot, sweat-drenched sex with hot Latinas.

On a cost basis, if a monger where to be coming into Monterrey for a few days or a week, the mid-range MP's($60-100/40-60 minutes) are hands-down the best pure sex value without a doubt.

I get hard just thinking about some of these MP girls that I am currently fuc_ing.

[Precocious One]

La Paloma Mens Club is on the south side of the autopista/Constitution Blvd. Don't know the exact street, just how to get there. Very close to Carranza Calle. It is nothing special. I was there with some Mexican National friends a couple times and would not go back. A smaller version of the Tangalay. It is not a MP and is in the middle of nowhere.

As for the private casa, I was given that location by another Mexican National in confidence. Confidence I choose to honor and would not break here in MX or the U.S. for that matter. The reason I posted it is for other mongers to know that private invite-only casas do exist her in Monterrey and provide excellent value.

[Albundy2]

Thanks Amigo and Precocious.

I do like to get an actual massage when I get a massage. I just want to be sure that the massage is at least included in the massage and which place would be best. $100 or so is what I would expect.

I'm curious about the massage/drink place. Sounds like a german FKK type thing.

As for afternoon SCs, Infinito sounds interesting. Is it worthwhile in the afternoon? I do also want to visit a higher end place if I get the time.

[MonterreyDude]

Albundy2:
MP with a real massage... that I will leave it to Precocious.
I basicly know the regular MPs where sex is the first thing in the agenda.
But one thing I know, none of them are like the German FKK.

Infinito is an intresting place to vist but it can overwhelm you if you don't know how it operates since the girls do not sit and chat with you as in a regular SC.
Yes Infinito is worth the time you can spend there, but it is preferable to get there after 5-6 pm.
Though it opens at 2 pm (as do the brother clubs Givenchy, El Cielo and Matehuala) the best girls start arriving after 5 to begin their shift at the 7 pm presentation.

High end clubs. Glad you asked about them.
Both five star clubs Obsession and Prestige have afternoon shifts with lunch buffets, nice options and nice girls working there.
A relaxed atmosphere compared to Infinito, even if the music is loud enough to drive you nuts.

At night time the best SC to go to is Prestige. Incredible amount of lookers working there and it is not as expensive as it sounds.
Check their web pages:

http://www.prestigevip.com.mx/

http://www.obsessionvip.com/

I never recomend Amnesia and Premiere. They boast being the best of Monterrey and they are, the most expensive ones with little returned compared to the amount of money spent.








Thanks Amigo and Precocious.

I do like to get an actual massage when I get a massage. I just want to be sure that the massage is at least included in the massage and which place would be best. $100 or so is what I would expect.

I'm curious about the massage/drink place. Sounds like a german FKK type thing.

As for afternoon SCs, Infinito sounds interesting. Is it worthwhile in the afternoon? I do also want to visit a higher end place if I get the time.

[Precocious One]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

[Oso Grande]

Amigomio,

Would appreciate website for all up scale clubs in Monterey and Nuevo Laredo.

[MonterreyDude]

precocious, those encounters with my dear friend beavis and others are not exclusive of the wsg and nor of recent times.
we have our fights at the ch, the wsg and lonl forums, plus other defunct ones.

believe me if i clash with them, i do it cause am sick an tired of reading people believing that mexico belongs to them to do or not do as they wish. people that think that mexico works as they think, not as it does per de facto.
and if i don't do it, noboby will clash with them.

believe me prococious, i enjoy every word of what is written in said forums.

and one thing pro, every member that has come to monterrey form those threads and other forums, especially the tj forums, are now monterrey converts.
they might not come again to mty, but believe me, after meeting me and going to the clubs as you did pro, believe me they go back as changed men.

they go back knowing that mexico is not jus tj, that the alternatives are infinite and that they enjoy themsleves in a small example of what the country really is.

and if you go back and read the forums again, you'll see that they are very careful when answering back, cause they know that can i spit fire and acid if they care to be ofensive.

one thing pro, notice that same thing does not happen here at the isg tj thread?
that's because my reputation precedes me as a honest and truthful mexican guy, plus several of the posters know me in person.
they know i know my stuff.

addendum:

let me point out the main discussion things:

1. tj guys bicker cause quality is low. i tell them the girls are moving to places where they get more money, where americans pay top dollar, like the beach resorts at cabos or cancun. they go ballistic and thru the roof with these kind of answers.

2. mongers just don't understand why the waiters and barkers hate americans. i tell them because they don't tip. that pisses them off. why should they tip? get it? they just won't accept that tipping is important in mexico as it is in the us.

3. main fight theme: the girls in tj are no where as close in quality as the ones in monterrey (as an example). prococious. you have been to tj. tell me where you can find better girls. i mean, any girl is better than the sws americans get at la zona or any border towns. as i always say, i admire anyone that gets a lay with a sw... they are brave sobs.

4. and the list goes on.




i pesonally never had anything against you or your buddies. in fact, i immensely enjoyed our one encounter at paseralas with anahi and you gf. and amigomio is, unequivocally, a vital source here on the monterrey thread of the isg. but you seem to conveniently forget that you made some condescending and disparaging remarks to me last year when i was posting on the regular members section, a section that has now been deleted by jackson. remarks i still vividly remember. and since you had physically met me, you should have acknowledged that i am a "real" tough guy, one that doesn't take any sh_t from anyone and finds no need to hide behind a second moniker. for a few of us here, we'll tell someone straight out what the fucks up. if you had disrespected me like that in one of these monterrey bars as opposed to an anonymous sex forum, it could have ended very badly for one of us. and like the movie says, this is no country for old men. semi-retired or not, i just don't give a fu_k.

as for your sc analysis, some of us want absolutley nothing to do with these hook_rs, mp or sc. we don't want to know about their lives, hear about their lives or become a part of their lives other than the one hour a week we meet for a strictly business relationship. because at the end of the day, when the smoke clears and the sun fades away, that is what this is...business. if one where to think of it as anything more, i have a bridge in brooklyn i would like to sell them.


"we have always made our comments within the guidelines of the forum, as opposed to the text written by you quite recently."
-unospongebob


oh really? uh, so i guess what you are insinuating is that only mastermind(hereinafter referred to as mill just) and myself are the only ones that have had a problem with you guys and your "know-it-all" attitudes? there you go again with your irrepressible ego.

why don't you head on over to the wor_d s_x gu_de forum and look into the tijuana section where your buddy amigomio has had some recent "issues" with mongers mikedude, beavis and rep001mandoo 34. in the last six months, these three guys have collectively told amigomio:

a) "fu_k off",
b) "foolish-know-it-all",
c) "es mi ultima puesto hablando mierda con un pendejo como usted.",
d) "un favor para todos, callate."

so please, cut the fuc_ing "we do nothing wrong and everybody loves us" crap. and if you elect to continue on with your holier-than-thou attitude, do us a favor and keep it over on your personal thread. the thread that jackson presumably established for you guys so you would not need to continue to spew you goo over here.

you know what thread i am referring to right?

the thead that no one has posted on for over four months.

yeah. that thread.

[Precocious One]

So, one of my MP regulars has called in sick and I respectfully decline a replacement. One thing about these MP's is if you elect to fu_k another girl while your regular is gone, it will inevitably get back to her especially if the one that took her place does not get along with her. It is a quick and easy way to lose preferential treatment with your favorita. Anyway, I have been looking for a reason to try a new place called Medusass and this unfortunate circumstance gave me a perfect opportunuty to do just such.

But, it was not meant to be.

As I stood idling at an intersection minding my own business, I caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye of what appeared to be a hook_r standing by an apartment smoking a cigarette. Being the inquisitive monger that I am, I just had to check it out. After parking my car(which can be a daunting task in itself in Centro Monterrey), I proceeded onto the location. Once arriving, a fifty-year-old man had now replaced the hook_r and he proceeded to make "fu_ky-fu_ky, suc_y-suc_y" body language in which I had to respond to him in Spanish that this was not needed. $40/40 minutes was then offered to me at a place he referred to as D'Angy. Now, normally I don't partake in the low-end places like this as I have become accostomed to and spoiled by the higher-end places. But since I was already here, I requested the "cattle walk".

Esmerelda is a 26-year-old girl that presented herself well and from a distance, appeared to be very doable. So, up we went to an over-sized room with no bed or bathroom and only a massage table and coach. As she turned on the in-wall A/C unit that looked precariously close to falling out of the wall, I instantly realized that I had made a mistake. As she disrobed, the damage from her three children was readily apparant. However, since there is no "money back guarantee" in this business, I was ready to make the most of it as she did possess a very cute face.

And make the most of it I did.

Now what Esmerelda lacked in beauty due to child-bearing, she certainly made up for in service. Attempted BBBJ, CBJ, ball-licking, full-body tongue bath leading to CG and then Mish. Now, there was a somewhat clean and large sofa in the room and I decided that since I had a full 40 minutes which Esmerelda seemed to have no problem reliquishing, that I would enjoy myself on the sofa while receiving a nice CBJ while watching her through a nearby mirror. Suprisingly, she started to look better. Much better. As she licked my cock and balls, she then raised my legs and proceeded onto besos negros...which then ultimately led to french besos negros. Wow. This girl is good. Then, after deciding to exit the comforts of the sofa, I proceeded back to the massage table and got on all fours to which I then signaled her to come on over.

Mother come to Nature.

And come she did. More french besos negros with ball-licking and HJ. After I could not take this particular immense pleasure anymore, we proceeded back to CG and then back to besos negros. Now, there was a strategically placed clock on the wall which enables an experienced monger to time his cumshot. With about three minutes left to spare, I stood her up and she sat back down on the sofa to accept the COF. As I shot a good six squirts, she gamefully did not flinch nor hide. Most excellent. I wiped her face with a nearby tissue, thanked her for the service and gave her the obligatory $20.00 propina. As we waited for the sole bathroom/shower to become available as it was currently in use, I had a chance to talk with her about the BBBJ she attempted on me and how it is dangerous and why I no longer do it(hat tip Amigomio). She stated that I was only the third person she performed this on and that she just felt like doing it for me. When I pressed her for the reasoning behind her unsolicited french besos negros, she stated to me that she had only done this with her ex-husband and that she did not know what came over her to duplicate this behavior.

With this in mind, as she honestly convinced me of her good intentions, I now gave this encounter a GFE rating even though it was void of my mandatory DFK. Since she had already received her propina, there was really no reason for her to convince me otherwise. The DFK was probably more than likely available, just something I wasn't interested in especially after she attempted BBBJ with an unknown stranger such as myself.

As we jumped into the shower together and lathered ourselves up, she showed me her body and mouth disinfectants, and explained to me how their puss_es are inspected every two weeks which I was already aware of. Just a really nice girl. Very service-oriented and asked on more than one occasion if I was happy with her.

Is it possible to experience GFE without DFK? For this one and only time, solely due to a flattering response, I would have to say yes.

[MonterreyDude]

Am placing the same as in a past post and adding others

These are the Five Star clubs in Monterrey


http://www.prestigevip.com.mx/

http://www.obsessionvip.com/

http://www.coloradosmc.com/

http://www.amnesiamonterrey.com/

http://www.premiermonterrey.com/

http://www.renomonterrey.com/


That's about it.

About Nuevo Laredo, out of my reach. Can't help you there.
Besides, Nuevo Laredo is not in league with Monterrey.




Amigomio,

Would appreciate website for all up scale clubs in Monterey and Nuevo Laredo.

[MonterreyDude]

Prococius... can you give me an update on Bad Girls?
(Cuahutemoc Ave.)

Is it still open?

[Precocious One]

Prococius... can you give me an update on Bad Girls?
(Cuahutemoc Ave.)

Is it still open?

I was there about three weeks ago and some guys were doing some work on the place and claimed that they were going to re-open. I'll stop by tommorow before I hit my regular place and let you know.

I'm still trying to find the time to make it into Medusass. That place looks extremely promising.

But so did Le Baron.

And that experience ended up being very poor.

[MonterreyDude]

Medusass... 800 pesos for an hour, all inclusive price.
Am I right?




I was there about three weeks ago and some guys were doing some work on the place and claimed that they were going to re-open. I'll stop by tommorow before I hit my regular place and let you know.

I'm still trying to find the time to make it into Medusass. That place looks extremely promising.

But so did Le Baron.

And that experience ended up being very poor.

[Precocious One]

I know she is there with some of her Colombian "amigas". She will probably be in an area that is upperscale or similar to the Del Rey. She is a "9+". If you happen to run across her give me a heads up. ThanksI have visited three of my regular MP stops this week and one of the owners stated that he believed that there are Colombiana chicas working at the men's club Amnesia and Metropolis. I generally do not patronize the S/C's anymore, so I cannot authenticate the validity of his statement other than he is a straight-up kind of guy who would have no reason to lie to me. Maybe the regular guys that post here can elaborate. I am visiting my fourth regular stop tommorow, but I wouldn't hold your breath on any more info.

By the way, if you are going to be here on Sunday, September 21, the 1980's rock band Scorpians will playing at the Monterrey Arena if that is your kind of thing.

Good luck with the Colombiana chicas and give a trip report if possible.

[Precocious One]

Medusass... 800 pesos for an hour, all inclusive price.
Am I right?Yes. 800 pesos, all-inclusive, but I believe that it is either 40 or 50 minutes. I can't quite remember as it has been such a long time since I last inquired about it. The webmaster did a great job on their website and I am anxious to go there.

Recently, after allowing one of my regular MP girls(two months) to give me a BBBJ, she then attempted BBFS with me.

That is a no-no and as you have previously stated, if the hook_r is going to allow BBFS/BJ with me, she is going to allow it with almost everyone else. This kind of behavior for me is totally unacceptable and is a quik way to end what was previously a wonderful business realtionship. Very disturbing.

So, I might finally have the time to continue on with some more reconnaissance work that I have abondoned for the last four weeks or so due to a full schedule.

Bad Girls is still out of business complete with a broken window and squalor conditions. Sad. I had my best sexual experiences ever in this place. Kind of like your favorite restaurant closing down.

[MonterreyDude]

Thanks for the Bad Girls info.
I'll knock the place off my Gmap.




Yes. 800 pesos, all-inclusive, but I believe that it is either 40 or 50 minutes. I can't quite remember as it has been such a long time since I last inquired about it. The webmaster did a great job on their website and I am anxious to go there.

Recently, after allowing one of my regular MP girls(two months) to give me a BBBJ, she then attempted BBFS with me.

That is a no-no and as you have previously stated, if the hook_r is going to allow BBFS/BJ with me, she is going to allow it with almost everyone else. This kind of behavior for me is totally unacceptable and is a quik way to end what was previously a wonderful business realtionship. Very disturbing.

So, I might finally have the time to continue on with some more reconnaissance work that I have abondoned for the last four weeks or so due to a full schedule.

Bad Girls is still out of business complete with a broken window and squalor conditions. Sad. I had my best sexual experiences ever in this place. Kind of like your favorite restaurant closing down.

[Oso Grande]

I have visited three of my regular MP stops this week and one of the owners stated that he believed that there are Colombiana chicas working at the men's club Amnesia and Metropolis. I generally do not patronize the S/C's anymore, so I cannot authenticate the validity of his statement other than he is a straight-up kind of guy who would have no reason to lie to me. Maybe the regular guys that post here can elaborate. I am visiting my fourth regular stop tommorow, but I wouldn't hold your breath on any more info.

By the way, if you are going to be here on Sunday, September 21, the 1980's rock band Scorpians will playing at the Monterrey Arena if that is your kind of thing.

Good luck with the Colombiana chicas and give a trip report if possible.I know she is there. It is just a matter of pinpointing where. Like the Del Rey Colombians stay close to each other.

[Precocious One]

Thanks for the Bad Girls info.
I'll knock the place off my Gmap.


And while you are at it, you might want to add D'Angy to your list. The address is Carlos Salazar #1347 Ote. That is the place I went to on Tuesday and, subsequently, gave a report on.

I broke my normal weekly schedule and finally went to www.medusass.com.mx yesterday. A major disappointment. Although the rooms are as descibed in their website, the chicas are not.

30mins/$60; 40/80; 60/100.

The place is located in a very non-descript building with an industrial-type, sliding steel door. I proceeded inside and was greeted by a Marcella-level(7) skinny Latina that was doable. Went to a room with her followed by a fat girl(40 pounds overweight) where she described the prices and services rendered. The fat girl smiled and started to coyly blink her eyes at me as if I was actually going to give her money to have sex with me or something. It was actually somewhat amusing. Kind of like when you are waiting patiently in your car to cross the TJ border and some guy comes up and tries to sell you one of those obtrusive Donald Duck piggy banks. Like, "What the fu_k would I want that for?"

I respectfully declined their services and the fat girl immediately went back and layed her fat as_ down on the sofa to resume watching her Mexican soap opera with her other fat friend who never even presented herself presumably knowing that her efforts would be futile. These two fat girls were not doable.

I probably would have done the skinny girl but there was no manager/owner on duty and my bad/sub-par experiences(three) here in Monterrey have always been when one is not present. The good places I have listed always have someone on duty to make sure rules are followed and experiences are monitored.

This may have just been a bad day, so I will probably return as the place is clean and the rooms are accomodating(Marcella-level).

[MonterreyDude]

Placed D'Angy on the map...



And while you are at it, you might want to add D'Angy to your list. The address is Carlos Salazar #1347 Ote. That is the place I went to on Tuesday and, subsequently, gave a report on.

I broke my normal weekly schedule and finally went to www.medusass.com.mx yesterday. A major disappointment. Although the rooms are as descibed in their website, the chicas are not.

30mins/$60; 40/80; 60/100.

The place is located in a very non-descript building with an industrial-type, sliding steel door. I proceeded inside and was greeted by a Marcella-level(7) skinny Latina that was doable. Went to a room with her followed by a fat girl(40 pounds overweight) where she described the prices and services rendered. The fat girl smiled and started to coyly blink her eyes at me as if I was actually going to give her money to have sex with me or something. It was actually somewhat amusing. Kind of like when you are waiting patiently in your car to cross the TJ border and some guy comes up and tries to sell you one of those obtrusive Donald Duck piggy banks. Like, "What the fu_k would I want that for?"

I respectfully declined their services and the fat girl immediately went back and layed her fat as_ down on the sofa to resume watching her Mexican soap opera with her other fat friend who never even presented herself presumably knowing that her efforts would be futile. These two fat girls were not doable.

I probably would have done the skinny girl but there was no manager/owner on duty and my bad/sub-par experiences(three) here in Monterrey have always been when one is not present. The good places I have listed always have someone on duty to make sure rules are followed and experiences are monitored.

This may have just been a bad day, so I will probably return as the place is clean and the rooms are accomodating(Marcella-level).

[Precocious One]

Placed D'Angy on the map...By the way, I publically apologize to both you and Cabron 007 if I disrespected you guys, as I know I probably did.

Cabron 007 is as who he claims and appears to be a straight-up kind of guy.

You, obviously, are the King of Monterrey in regards to knowlegde of the sex industry here.

Again. My apologies.

[FL Wingman]

Thank you all for your information, you kept the loses to a minimum. I spent most of the time in the SCs by Tangalay. Fun was to be found in most of the larger clubs, but if I only had time for one it would have been Tangalay with a close second being Givenchy I was not a fan of Infineto as it is too dark and too business like. I guess if I was younger and had better eyes, thought less with my big head then it might be different there were good looking girls there.

WARNING

I was had at the Partenon, they use the bad light to do a slight of hand trick with the money, if you hand them a 200 bill they will palm it and hand you a 20 and say that is not enough. Be Warned. These are bad guys. I called the second guy on it but I had lost about 400 before I caught on. This place does not have the quality of girls found at the others mentioned so there is really no reason to be in there other than the private dances are in a better area (a private room which cost the same as the public fuck areas in the other bars, that is if you are not being had)

I did go to Marcella MP, a decent time but kind of business like. I guess I got spoiled in Peru where for the same money you get a steam room and a bath with your beauty of the hour, Lima is great.

All in all I had a great time and look forward to the return.

FL Wingman

[Precocious One]

Stopped by a new MP called Mirage Spa at #326 Rodrigo Gomez. Parked out front and entered the unlocked door to find myself surronded by four undoable girls and one older attractive woman named Illiana.

60min./$35.00

Normally I do not partake at these kind of places, however, the 36-year-old Illiana was very friendly and appeared to be holding up quit well for this type of physically-demanding profession.

Up a flight of decrepit stairs and into a dark room with no operable lighting or one my new amiga was not willing to turn on for fear of exposure. A clean sheet was provided. Immediately offered BBBJ but opted for the CBJ. She then proceeded onto a full tongue bath(armpit included) but no besos neros(did not ask). Good accomodating sex and she faked orgasm twice. The entire session lasted about 40 minutes and ended with COF. No upselling and never a tip request. Once finished, I was able to get a better view of her once she exited the lighted in-room shower and realized that she was indeed a very attractive girl. We continued to talk for about ten minutes as I complimented on how well she was holding up and that I believed that she was once an extremely beautiful girl at a younger age. She then divulged to me that in her heyday, she was once employed at an exclusive MP called Stratus(no longer in business) that charged upwards to $300 per session. She owned her own house and did not have a problem with this particular type of environment.

I let her keep the $15 change as her propina and she actually skipped down the hallway in front of me while singing not because of the tip, but that of her upbeat disposition.

A very nice girl that I would recommend for a good economical fu_k.

[El Cabron 007]

Precocious , you need not apologize to me. But thanks anyways.

Be safe.

Which reminds me ... good self control when it comes to using protection. It is a smart idea to mention it to the board so that readers take note.



By the way, I publically apologize to both you and Cabron 007 if I disrespected you guys, as I know I probably did.

Cabron 007 is as who he claims and appears to be a straight-up kind of guy.

You, obviously, are the King of Monterrey in regards to knowlegde of the sex industry here.

Again. My apologies.

[Precocious One]

Thank you all for your information, you kept the loses to a minimum. I spent most of the time in the SCs by Tangalay. Fun was to be found in most of the larger clubs, but if I only had time for one it would have been Tangalay with a close second being Givenchy I was not a fan of Infineto as it is too dark and too business like. I guess if I was younger and had better eyes, thought less with my big head then it might be different there were good looking girls there.

WARNING

I was had at the Partenon, they use the bad light to do a slight of hand trick with the money, if you hand them a 200 bill they will palm it and hand you a 20 and say that is not enough. Be Warned. These are bad guys. I called the second guy on it but I had lost about 400 before I caught on. This place does not have the quality of girls found at the others mentioned so there is really no reason to be in there other than the private dances are in a better area (a private room which cost the same as the public fuck areas in the other bars, that is if you are not being had)

I did go to Marcella MP, a decent time but kind of business like. I guess I got spoiled in Peru where for the same money you get a steam room and a bath with your beauty of the hour, Lima is great.

All in all I had a great time and look forward to the return.

FL Wingman

That sucks.

Nothing like being ripped off, no matter what the amount. It's the principle of it all.

I have never been taken advantage of like that by a mesero. I always either give them the exact amount or close enough to it and always hold the bill, unfolded, up against the brightest light possible for both of us to verify before relinquishing. If all I have is a $20 or larger, I will go directly to the bar to purchase my drink.

[Precocious One]

after popping a cialis and fuc_ing my weekly, regular mp girl, i headed over to the local s/c to kill a few beers. this cialis sh_t really kicks a_s and before i knew it, i was ready for round two.

trying to stay somewhat in my budget, i headed on over to one of the lower-end mp's. habana is operated by an amicable gentleman pushing 60+ who speaks no english.

$25/40 minutes.

only one marginal chica working and as i was on my way out after respectfully declining the services, she convinced me to stay. ok. nothing like a girl with a good attitude. and she wasn't really that bad. also, i could just close my eyes and pretend she was that gorgeous girl from the s/c that was dancing on stage at worse case scenario.

walked into the dark room, got undressed and waited for my new girlfriend. as she disrobed...ugh. if not for the cialis, i might have upchucked my three beers right then and there. and then,

"cien cincuenta pesos mas por tocar. dos cientos cincuenta es por solo sexo."

bwahahahahaha!!

got my sh_t and got dressed while listening to her trying to renegotiate the deal in her rapid spanish. her little hand was trying to prevent me from leaving the room which i thought was really funny. i gently moved her out of the way to attempt a refund. this was perfect. she gave me a great excuse to get the fu_k out of there. told the old man that she was trying to upsell and he had no problem with the full refund.

i then proceeded onto a place called abril. excellent. two very doable girls at $50/40 minutes. chose a twenty-year-old spinner that went about five foot tall, 95 pounds with natural d-cup titties. a total cutie.

she started off with a complete tongue-bath on my back, arms, neck and legs for a good ten minutes. very nice and her charmin touch was pristine. went for the flip and she continued on with more tongue action. she then proceeded onto my balls and i believed that this girl was a perfect candidate for some dfk. i could not wait to get my tongue into her delicate mouth if allowed.

but then it happened.

attempted bbbj. i swear, some of these latinas cannot keep there mouths off of a condomless cock. in the last week, this is the third new girl i have had that has attempted the bbbj. kindly told her to wrap it up and she seemed a little embarassed. fu_k it. she was so cute and adorable, i dfk'd her anyway. a great session and when the knock came, she let me continue to a cob(partial facial) ending without rushing me.

as we showered together and while scrubbing her back, i told her the dangers of bbbj(herpes, chlamydia, syphlis, venereal warts) and she went on with the typical "i don't do it for everyone you're special" speech that one often hears from these girls.

regardless, a great session and a good value at $50+$20(propina).

[MonterreyDude]

precocious... got a friend in my yahoo group that says that at the abril mp, a girl by the name of abril (same name as the joint... a coincidence) is the best girl in town.
not a looker, but the best cbj in town.

again: for all those reading precocious posts, bbbjs are not the norm here in mty at the mps.... you have to pay for them.
there are some girls that will demand extra money, and yes, extra money for bbbj.

precocious just happens to be a regular and knows his way around.

and by all means, it just happens that one day, you migh just get bump into an mp that is just not worth it....



after popping a cialis and fuc_ing my weekly, regular mp girl, i headed over to the local s/c to kill a few beers. this cialis sh_t really kicks a_s and before i knew it, i was ready for round two.

trying to stay somewhat in my budget, i headed on over to one of the lower-end mp's. habana is operated by an amicable gentleman pushing 60+ who speaks no english.

$25/40 minutes.

only one marginal chica working and as i was on my way out after respectfully declining the services, she convinced me to stay. ok. nothing like a girl with a good attitude. and she wasn't really that bad. also, i could just close my eyes and pretend she was that gorgeous girl from the s/c that was dancing on stage at worse case scenario.

walked into the dark room, got undressed and waited for my new girlfriend. as she disrobed...ugh. if not for the cialis, i might have upchucked my three beers right then and there. and then,

"cien cincuenta pesos mas por tocar. dos cientos cincuenta es por solo sexo."

bwahahahahaha!!

got my sh_t and got dressed while listening to her trying to renegotiate the deal in her rapid spanish. her little hand was trying to prevent me from leaving the room which i thought was really funny. i gently moved her out of the way to attempt a refund. this was perfect. she gave me a great excuse to get the fu_k out of there. told the old man that she was trying to upsell and he had no problem with the full refund.

i then proceeded onto a place called abril. excellent. two very doable girls at $50/40 minutes. chose a twenty-year-old spinner that went about five foot tall, 95 pounds with natural d-cup titties. a total cutie.

she started off with a complete tongue-bath on my back, arms, neck and legs for a good ten minutes. very nice and her charmin touch was pristine. went for the flip and she continued on with more tongue action. she then proceeded onto my balls and i believed that this girl was a perfect candidate for some dfk. i could not wait to get my tongue into her delicate mouth if allowed.

but then it happened.

attempted bbbj. i swear, some of these latinas cannot keep there mouths off of a condomless cock. in the last week, this is the third new girl i have had that has attempted the bbbj. kindly told her to wrap it up and she seemed a little embarassed. fu_k it. she was so cute and adorable, i dfk'd her anyway. a great session and when the knock came, she let me continue to a cob(partial facial) ending without rushing me.

as we showered together and while scrubbing her back, i told her the dangers of bbbj(herpes, chlamydia, syphlis, venereal warts) and she went on with the typical "i don't do it for everyone you're special" speech that one often hears from these girls.

regardless, a great session and a good value at $50+$20(propina).

[Precocious One]

Precocious... got a friend in my Yahoo Group that says that at the Abril MP, a girl by the name of Abril (same name as the joint... a coincidence) is the best girl in town.
Not a looker, but the best CBJ in town.

Again: for all those reading Precocious posts, BBBJs are not the norm here in Mty at the MPs.... you have to pay for them.
There are some girls that will demand extra money, and yes, EXTRA money for BBBJ.

Precocious just happens to be a regular and knows his way around.

And by all means, it just happens that one day, you migh just get bump into an MP that is just not worth it....

"a girl by the name of Abril is the best girl in town."

So, I see you have been holding out on me.

I going to try her out if she passes my physical parameters. The BBBJ thing is very disturbing to me as I immensely enjoy the DFK. That part of the service provides far more value to me as it is far more personal.

As for me being a regular and presented the BBBJ service without requesting it; I shave, shower(with special scented soap), use moderate cologne, manicure, pedicure, mouthwash, brush teeth and dress nicely before my "dates". I also try to treat these MP girls like princesses when I spend time with them.

Maybe this helps.

[MonterreyDude]

Got a new one for you Precocious and your talents:

Extravagance MP

Dr Coss at Carlos Salazar and Treviño streets.




I was there about three weeks ago and some guys were doing some work on the place and claimed that they were going to re-open. I'll stop by tommorow before I hit my regular place and let you know.

I'm still trying to find the time to make it into Medusass. That place looks extremely promising.

But so did Le Baron.

And that experience ended up being very poor.

[Precocious One]

Got a new one for you Precocious and your talents:

Extravagance MP

Dr Coss at Carlos Salazar and Treviño streets.

I am on Carlos Salazar all the time. I have never seen that place. I'll give you a report once I session there. By the way, Abril is the owner(or so she claims) of Abril. Nice lady but, well, not to be disrespectful but I, I just don't, she's not my....

No. I like the young hot chicks. Speaking of such,


Juarez at Romanos.


26-years-old, total hottie, beautiful face with piercing green eyes. Now, I have been sessioning with this stunning Latina for about a month and she is just perfect. Her English is poor, but her attitude is excellent. DFK'd her from the very first session and at times, I have just layed next to her and gazed into those impossibly beautiful green eyes.

And yesterday was no different.

After some ball-licking, CBJ(good girl) and the highly coveted DFK, I mounted her Mish. After about ten minutes of this delirious action, she stradled me CG as this is her favorite way of getting off. Within ten minutes and after a lot of dirty talk, she puckered her face up, gorged her nails into my 17.5" biceps and came.

"Grrrrrrrrrrr. Ooooooohhh. Oooooohhhh!!!"

Oh yeah. This girl is good but she is not finished. Not by a long shot. I kept pumping away while talking dirty(Estoy tus favorito? Ven.Ven.Ven.) all the while trying to keep distracted so I wouldn't come(I like the Vikings +2.5) and within ten minutes, she again exploded on my able, willing and blood-gorged cock.

"Ooooooh. Oooooooh. Ooooooooooh!!!"

She then collapsed on my chest and told me that she was too tired to continue and needed to rest. But that's okay. Because now she was going to feel the wrath of my tongue.

"Quieres mi lengua, otra vez?"

"Siiiii...Sssiiiiiii...."

"Segura?"

"Siiii, Siiiiiiiii"

Went right to work. I couldn't get enough of her love juices and I was drinking it like Gatorade, something I really needed after dripping out about a gallon of my sweat. After about three minutes of this I inserted one finger, then two and worked her G-spot in rapid, machine gun-like succession while simultaneously continuing the DATY.

And then she just couldn't take it anymore.

Squirt...squirt...squirt...squirt,squirt,squirt,squirt,squirt,squirt,squirt,squirt.

All over my hand, my arm and dripping down her beautiful love box.

Incredibe. Simply incredible.

Performed some more Mish and then finished off COB after some ball-licking. She is so beautiful with her sweat glistening off of her bronzed body and face. Jumped into the shower with her and washed her back while continuing to kiss her.

Just a really nice girl.

[Precocious One]

Got a new one for you Precocious and your talents:

Extravagance MP

Dr Coss at Carlos Salazar and Treviño streets.


After having a date with one of my regular MP girls yesterday, I stopped at my favorite seafood restaurant to grab something to eat before heading off to my preferred S/C(El Cielo). After finishing my seafood soup, I still had about a half an hour to kill before the S/C opened(2 PM) so what better way to pass the time than to "check" out a new MP for future reference? Kind of like window-shopping with no intent to buy.

Headed over to Dr. Coss at the corner of Trevino street.

Excellent parking right in front - check
Clean, comfortable environment - check
$50/50min; Good price - check
One beautiful Latina - check
Enough money in my wallet - check
Cialis kicking in for round two - checkmate

Well, so much for that window-shopping plan.

Headed to a large room in the back with one, nineteen-year-old, childless Azul who looked like she just left cheerleading practice. Super cute. Adorable. And I am going to fu_k her. The room is nicely finished with a seperate bathroom, window A/C, couch, massage table and overhead porn TV viewable from all areas of the room. After some light, comical banter we both get undressed and she brushed her teeth while I kissed and dry fu_ked her from behind. Now, normally I am not this forward with the girls but I just couldn't help myself. She was just so adorable and super cute. We then headed straight for the covered table where she administered a worthless back massage. After about five minutes of this I flipped and went immediately to DFK. She then proceeded to suck on my chest, balls, shaft and went for the BBBJ. I stopped her and told her no. Got on top Mish and continued to DFK the cheerleader and suck on her lightly perfumed body. She then attempted to guide me into her bees nest which was now dripping pure honey.

BBFS? Oh my. This is the second time in the last two weeks that I have experienced such bold and unsolicited behavior. Told her to get the condom and in no time flat...I was fu_king the high school cheerleader. More DFK, Mish and then CG.

Did I mention how super cute and adorable this girl is?

Now I am pumping away on the cheerleader and she just couldn't finish so I asked her for some more ball-licking...

which led to Besos Negros...

which led to French Besos Negros.

For what was almost the entire porn scene with Courtney Simpson in one of those Bang Bros. Florida movies, she worked the entire lower half of my body. Just awesome. A great way to spend a Saturday afternoon. When the knock came, she left me finish COB as I did not want to be too presumptuous and ask for COF. Jumped into the cold(no hot water) shower with her and again told her about the dangers of sin condom which appeared to go in one ear and right out the other. She said that she has only been in the business for a week, so I got her phone number just in case she decides on a career change over the weekend. $50+$20 propina.

Thanks, Amigomio for the hookup and tell your Yahoo boys about this cheerleader. You could actually mistake this girl for one of those CDV girls you see hanging out on Calle Mississippi drinking coffee or at the Opa's on Vasconcelos.

Gracias, Amigomio.
Muchas Gracias.

Did I mention how adorable and super cute this nineteen-year-old cheerleader is?

I am going to hit this again on Monday.

Probably Tuesday, too.

[Bob23]

hey guys,

had no idea this place existed. i studied abroad in mty about a year ago. after getting our wallets raped at poison we learned a lot and found out about places like infinito. it became a big underground kind of thing for a lot of us international guys, we even had a code name "the spot".

i'm back in mty now with a few friends for a few months living near the tec. everyone in this forum seems really cool, so if anyone ever wants to head out to some "spots" let me know. even though i've never had problems, i always like going to those areas with a group of people or some locals/or experienced "spot" people.

[MonterreyDude]

bob
inifinito is my second home.
my 3rd home is givenchy, the new one.

see you around.




hey guys,

had no idea this place existed. i studied abroad in mty about a year ago. after getting our wallets raped at poison we learned a lot and found out about places like infinito. it became a big underground kind of thing for a lot of us international guys, we even had a code name "the spot".

i'm back in mty now with a few friends for a few months living near the tec. everyone in this forum seems really cool, so if anyone ever wants to head out to some "spots" let me know. even though i've never had problems, i always like going to those areas with a group of people or some locals/or experienced "spot" people.

[Albundy2]

Amigomio,

Thanks for the info. You say that Infinito is different from other places. It's not clear from the posts I've been able to search through in the forum, how exactly is it different. My spanish is enough to get by, but kind of rusty, and I will likely be there by myself, (unless I run into you in which case I would like to buy you a beer), and I would like to keep the surprises manageable.

[MonterreyDude]

REgular SCs base their operation on drinks.
Grils sits with you, you buy her drinks.

At Infinito, the girls get their salary from doing dances at a booth.
Girls might sit with you for a drink but the first word that comes from their mouth is "do you want a dance".

Dances go for 50 pesos for a 4 minute dance. You buy as many as want or can pay.
At the booths, if you opt for the dance, the girls will offer you oral sex or a full service.
100-150 for oral sex, 300-350 for a full service.
Opt for the lower price.
Plus 30 pesos for a condom (which you must buy) and the total of dances you get (1, 2, 3, 4 and on).

Basicly that's it.
And sincerly it's just that: you see a girl, you take her to the private dance are on the second floor of the Infinito and that's that.







Amigomio,

Thanks for the info. You say that Infinito is different from other places. It's not clear from the posts I've been able to search through in the forum, how exactly is it different. My spanish is enough to get by, but kind of rusty, and I will likely be there by myself, (unless I run into you in which case I would like to buy you a beer), and I would like to keep the surprises manageable.

[Bob23]

Amigomio,

How would I recognize you at infinito?

When do you usually go?

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[Commonglass]

Anyone know the website/address for Marcella. I'm coming back to MTY after a two year haitus and want to check out the MPs. Thanks!

[MonterreyDude]

Very easy, Marcella's website is:

www.pompis.com.mx


Am including Misses, that finally is back again on the web

http://www.missesdiamante.com.mx

And Misses little "cheap" brother Romanos, again on the web.

http://www.romaxxx.com.mx





Anyone know the website/address for Marcella. I'm coming back to MTY after a two year haitus and want to check out the MPs. Thanks!

[Precocious One]

Anyone know the website/address for Marcella. I'm coming back to MTY after a two year haitus and want to check out the MPs. Thanks!

I recommend Romano's over Marcella. The girls there are unequivocally, without a doubt, a step above. The owner runs a good business there and is a hands-on type of guy. The $60 option does not include CBJ.
$60/30; $80/40; $100/60.

Versace is also close by on Carlos Salazar.
$90/50

Also, I have recently been seeing two girls on calle Dr.Coss at Trevino street.
Very, very good service. In fact, I am going there today.
$50/40-50min.

All three of these locations are within a half mile of each other which is very cost effective if using a cab. Be sure to print out Amigomio's treasure map. It is on the Reports of Distinction section. If you are looking for BBBJ, it will more than likely not be offered at Romano's, Misses or Versace. Marcella is a 50/50 split.

[Commonglass]

Thanks, Precocious One. I'll probably hit all of the places on your list in the coming days.

I was trolling through some escort websites that I got from Amigmio:

http://www.lucesazules.com/601.html
http://www.escortsmonterrey.net
http://www.regioscorts.com
http://www.modelosmonterrey.com
http://www.goldengirls.com.mx/main.html?src=%2F

Some of these ladies are very hot and only nominally more expensive than the higher end MPs. Also, most service is for 1.5 to 2 hours instead of just 1 hour. I'm staying in a hotel, and much prefer the comfort of my hotel room to a massage table or privado stall. It seems like the escort route would be the better way to go. That is, unless the escort services bait-and-switch me. Has anyone had a positive experience with an escort service that they can vouch for? Any opinions on the escort scene at all?

Thanks!

[Precocious One]

Thanks, Precocious One. I'll probably hit all of the places on your list in the coming days.

I was trolling through some escort websites that I got from Amigmio:

http://www.lucesazules.com/601.html
http://www.escortsmonterrey.net
http://www.regioscorts.com
http://www.modelosmonterrey.com
http://www.goldengirls.com.mx/main.html?src=%2F

Some of these ladies are very hot and only nominally more expensive than the higher end MPs. Also, most service is for 1.5 to 2 hours instead of just 1 hour. I'm staying in a hotel, and much prefer the comfort of my hotel room to a massage table or privado stall. It seems like the escort route would be the better way to go. That is, unless the escort services bait-and-switch me. Has anyone had a positive experience with an escort service that they can vouch for? Any opinions on the escort scene at all?

Thanks!

Never done the escorts here or in the U.S. The MP's are much cleaner and without the hassles.

Check your inbox regarding your special request.

Good luck.

[Precocious One]

Tried a new place today called Estetica Roma. $50/40 minutes. Really nice establishment and it is apparantly owned by the same proprietor as Le Baron.

Very clean, spacious rooms, in-room a/c, porn tv but no bathroom. Both of these place operate on the same premise of getting you in the door and going for the upsell. Now, I cannot stress enough that once a girl attempts this type of behavior...FU_K her and leave. It is that simple. More than likely, it will be bad service. The girl today actually provided decent service but it is apparant to me that the upsell is not an anomaly for the girls at these particular establishments but the norm, as the same MO was used by a girl at Le Baron. I was not allowed to kiss her breasts, face or touch her privates. For all intents and purposes... it was just two holes, a face and a body. My best sessions here in Monterrey have never asked me for a tip upfront. Ever. In fact, the only bad sessions I have had here was when the girls exhibited such brazen behavior.

For me, there is absolutely nothing worse than an upsell. I would rather jack off to some good porn.

I do not recommend these establishments.

[Strike 69]

Thanks, Precocious One. I'll probably hit all of the places on your list in the coming days.

I was trolling through some escort websites that I got from Amigmio:

http://www.lucesazules.com/601.html
http://www.escortsmonterrey.net
http://www.regioscorts.com
http://www.modelosmonterrey.com
http://www.goldengirls.com.mx/main.html?src=%2F

Some of these ladies are very hot and only nominally more expensive than the higher end MPs. Also, most service is for 1.5 to 2 hours instead of just 1 hour. I'm staying in a hotel, and much prefer the comfort of my hotel room to a massage table or privado stall. It seems like the escort route would be the better way to go. That is, unless the escort services bait-and-switch me. Has anyone had a positive experience with an escort service that they can vouch for? Any opinions on the escort scene at all?

Thanks!


Those sites are missed from the list:

www.bomboncitasregias.com
www.2muchmodel.com


Don't worry on bait and switch in bomboncitas regias, in escorts monterrey, luces azules and 2muchmodel the majority of the time they will send you the girl from the pictures.

From escortsmonterrey I heavily recommend Montse (former Aleyda from misses) if you like big titted (natural) tall white brunette women. Her service is excellent. She allows daty and oral without if you have a good hygiene. Anal cost extra. She's 36D natural

From bomboncitasregias, I recommend Luisana (the best escort in all Monterrey along with Montse in my opinion) she has DD cups naturals and a big wet ass to die for. Luisana performs the best oral and Russian sex in all Monterrey. Sofia an Argentinian girl naturalized Mexican is also a good choice, she's hot and service is very good

From lucesazules Linda and Azul are a must.

Also try the outcall services from misses, I recommend Ivana and Aurora be careful to note that the picutures on the website are not the actual pictures from the girls, they were taken from a soft porn site but the girls in person are indeed very hot (misses is the most expensive high end incall in Monterrey, so hot women are guarantee, the problem is to find someone who provides good service).

http://www.missesdiamante.com.mx/

[Commonglass]

Awesome report, Strike 69! Could you please note pricing for the outcall providers? It's not always clear from the website. Thanks!

[Precocious One]

Awesome report, Strike 69! Could you please note pricing for the outcall providers? It's not always clear from the website. Thanks!


Good stuff, Stirke 69. What are the costs? Time allocation? Shots permitted?

Commonglass, watch out for these S/C girls and the DFK. On Monday, I was making out with one of these hook_rs for about an hour and a half while she was fleecing me for drinks. She had a slight cough but since I was inebriated and enomored at the time, I did not pay too much attention to it.

I have been sick for three straight days.

The same thing happened to me with some Cuban hook_r at the Paloma Mens club. I ended up being sick for five fu_king days with no sex. The thing with these S/C girls is that they need to sell drinks to meet their quota. They could have a pound of phlegm in their mouths and will be more than happy to pass some of it on to you if you are willing to pay for it.

[MonterreyDude]

Come on Precocious, you have to be kidding.

It's an escort service delivered to a hotel.
They don't give out that kind of information and if they do it's highly probable that it differs from girl to girl, from business to business.

Your only obligation is to pay 2000 pesos and up.


And again,... come on Pre!!!
A cold is a cold, you can get it from the massage parlor girls too!

By the way Precocious... can you check my Gmap and see if Extravagance is correctly placed on Dr. Coss street???






Good stuff, Stirke 69. What are the costs? Time allocation? Shots permitted?

Commonglass, watch out for these S/C girls and the DFK. On Monday, I was making out with one of these hook_rs for about an hour and a half while she was fleecing me for drinks. She had a slight cough but since I was inebriated and enomored at the time, I did not pay too much attention to it.

I have been sick for three straight days.

The same thing happened to me with some Cuban hook_r at the Paloma Mens club. I ended up being sick for five fu_king days with no sex. The thing with these S/C girls is that they need to sell drinks to meet their quota. They could have a pound of phlegm in their mouths and will be more than happy to pass some of it on to you if you are willing to pay for it.

[Anyone469]

First,

I have been a long time lurker first time poster and thank you all for the info
from your great posts i am going to Monterrey sept 29-oct 3 and i enjoy overnight guests but from reading here that might be an issue.

does anyone have info on such a hotel that may work with me


Thank again

[Precocious One]

Come on Precocious, you have to be kidding.

It's an escort service delivered to a hotel.
They don't give out that kind of information and if they do it's highly probable that it differs from girl to girl, from business to business.

Your only obligation is to pay 2000 pesos and up.


And again,... come on Pre!!!
A cold is a cold, you can get it from the massage parlor girls too!

By the way Precocious... can you check my Gmap and see if Extravagance is correctly placed on Dr. Coss street???

I tried to access your Gmap but some sort of error message comes up denying access. Maybe you can check it out. Extravagance is on the east side of Dr.Coss about 75 feet north of Trevino.

Yes, I agree with you on the escort thing. And that is the reason I don't do them. But Strike 69 claims that he did not experience a bait-and-switch type set up. And the www.2muchmodel.com place has a special going on right now for $180-200 including room. If that is for 2 hours and unlimited pops, not a bad deal if they are Misses MP quality.

You know I never thought about the Cuban chica getting me sick when I spent some amorous time($110 in fichas;10 cervezas/3 hours) with her, but this last episode was pretty straightfoward as the Mexicana(hat tip) I was with kept sneezing and coughing. Actually, the sneezing was kind of cute which made me want to DFK with her even more. Maybe it was just a coincidence.

Also, I don't have anything against the S/C girls if that was what my post implied. I really just don't have the patience or fortitude to play their games. I want to fu_k, not fu_k around. As for the companionship part that the S/C hook_r offers, that is what I like about the dance clubs. At $10/hour, the girls serve the same purpose for me at a third of the S/C costs. Last weekend, one of the girls that I paid companionship for actually got jealous when she saw me talking to another girl after making my way back from the bathroom. She then instantly offered up the DFK. A great value at $10/hour, especially the jealousy part even if she was just acting.

I am currently at about $80/pop with the MP girls. The S/C girls, even if you eliminate the $35 bookie fee to the club, are about $130 with servicio, hotel and taxi. Sure, you get two pops with the S/C girl as opposed to one with the MP girl, but the second pop is valued less. All in all it is pretty much even. Plus, the hunt is half the fun.

At the MP you know you're going to get it. That eliminates half the work in itself.

All you have to worry about now is if you're going to get the GFE.

[MonterreyDude]

White doorway?
Mirror on the door?
Is that the place?

By the way I checked the link.
Site must have a server error.





I tried to access your Gmap but some sort of error message comes up denying access. Maybe you can check it out. Extravagance is on the east side of Dr.Coss about 75 feet north of Trevino.

Yes, I agree with you on the escort thing. And that is the reason I don't do them. But Strike 69 claims that he did not experience a bait-and-switch type set up. And the www.2muchmodel.com place has a special going on right now for $180-200 including room. If that is for 2 hours and unlimited pops, not a bad deal if they are Misses MP quality.

You know I never thought about the Cuban chica getting me sick when I spent some amorous time($110 in fichas;10 cervezas/3 hours) with her, but this last episode was pretty straightfoward as the Mexicana(hat tip) I was with kept sneezing and coughing. Actually, the sneezing was kind of cute which made me want to DFK with her even more. Maybe it was just a coincidence.

Also, I don't have anything against the S/C girls if that was what my post implied. I just really don't have the patience or fortitude to play their games. I want to fu_k, not fu_k around. As for the companionship part that the S/C hook_r offers, that is what I like about the dance clubs. At $10/hour, the girls serve the same purpose for me at a third of the S/C costs. Last weekend, one of the girls that I paid companionship for actually got jealous when she saw me talking to another girl after making my way back from the bathroom. She then instantly offered up the DFK. A great value at $10/hour, especially the jealousy part even if she was just acting.

I am currently at about $80/pop with the MP girls. The S/C girls, even if you eliminate the $35 bookie fee to the club, are about $130 with servicio, hotel and taxi. Sure, you get two pops with the S/C girl as opposed to one with the MP girl, but the second pop is valued less. All in all it is pretty much even. Plus, the hunt is half the fun.

At the MP you know you're going to get it. That eliminates half the work in itself.

All you have to worry about now is if you're going to get the GFE.

[Precocious One]

White doorway?
Mirror on the door?
Is that the place?

By the way I checked the link.
Site must have a server error.

Yes. There is also a Mexican flag outside. Once you step into the establishment, there is a door to your left that the owner opens to check you in and you then proceed through the white door with the see-through mirror that is directly in front of you.

Like most of these places, no street signage.

[MonterreyDude]

The only 3 hotels that acomodate girls in the downtown area, meaning girl friendly are the Best Western Madero, the Plaza del Arco and the Sheraton Ambassador, being this one the favorite if you are here on business.

5 star and quite good, not as expensive as it sounds.

Ask your questions Anyone, we are here to help.

Check the Reports of Distinction area for post #7 so you can access my map of Monterrey so you can get an idea of the city's layout.





First,

I have been a long time lurker first time poster and thank you all for the info
from your great posts i am going to Monterrey sept 29-oct 3 and i enjoy overnight guests but from reading here that might be an issue.

does anyone have info on such a hotel that may work with me


Thank again

[Strike 69]

For more escorts in MTY I forgot to add the divas website:

Go to:

http://www.zonadivas.com/principal.php

Then go to the left side of the screen and click in the Monterrey section to see what divas (escorts) are currently available in Monterrey.

By the way the are two natural blondes Lua (green eyed) and Karine (a tall blue eyed ) one in divas and the other in bomboncitas regias website (a former diva)

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/home.htm

But from bomboncitasregias site I heavily recommend Luisana, as I said before the best escort in Monterrey in my opinion a perfect 10 in body, and service.

And from http://www.escortsmonterrey.net/ as I said before Montse (former Aleida from misses) is a must, 36D naturals, brunette tall girl with long lengs and white skin the second best escort after Luisana in my opinion.

Price range is between 1800 and 2500 pesos per hour depending of the girl and agency.

[Doubt98]

I've heard that smoking was banned in bars in Mexico. Will I still be able to smoke a cigar in the strip clubs?

[MonterreyDude]

Yes you can.



I've heard that smoking was banned in bars in Mexico. Will I still be able to smoke a cigar in the strip clubs?

[Strike 69]

I want to recommend this girl also. She is another and indy big titted (34D natural) tall white brunette. She's in her early 20's. Offers both incall and outcall services.

http://www.adictaati.com/galeria

Cost is 1500 pesos for slightly more than an hour. Her big tits are absolutly delicious. Recommended positions (besides Russian sex) doggy and cowgirl.

Can anybody recommend me a couple of girls that offer anal sex in their services besides the girls I have mentioned already?

[MonterreyDude]

Strike, several members of my Yahoo group have been with her and am sorry to tell you but those breasts are enhanced, not natural.
But they do recomend her as an acceptable service.
Good above many.



I want to recommend this girl also. She is another and indy big titted (34D natural) tall white brunette. She's in her early 20's. Offers both incall and outcall services.

http://www.adictaati.com/galeria

Cost is 1500 pesos for slightly more than an hour. Her big tits are absolutly delicious. Recommended positions (besides Russian sex) doggy and cowgirl.

Can anybody recommend me a couple of girls that offer anal sex in their services besides the girls I have mentioned already?

[Strike 69]

Strike, several members of my Yahoo group have been with her and am sorry to tell you but those breasts are enhanced, not natural.
But they do recomend her as an acceptable service.
Good above many.

In that case she has a very good surgery, her breast bounced well unlike other hard rock style type of enhaced breast.

[Precocious One]

I've heard that smoking was banned in bars in Mexico. Will I still be able to smoke a cigar in the strip clubs?

No smoking allowed in Givenchy(next to Infinito). There is a sign posted in the club.

As of yesterday, both the Tangalay and El Cielo still permit smoking.
Also, The Tangalay now gives four dances for $10.00. No less than forty Mexicanas there last night. Apparantly, this is not a promotion. It is the new rate good seven days a week.

[Slick Willie]

I've heard that smoking was banned in bars in Mexico. Will I still be able to smoke a cigar in the strip clubs?I was in Nuevo Laredo last night, and smoking was prohibited in all the locals' bars, but not in places like Papagayos. The bars where it is prohibited usually have benchs either outside in front, or in some courtyard in the back where you can smoke.

[MonterreyDude]

Well, smoking is a staplehouse here in Monterrey.
Infinito still allows it and all the clubs of the Prestige-Obsession-Casino-Harem-Bahamas group still allow it.

By the way Precocious, Givenchy does not enforce the no smoke law.
They just placed a sign... that´s it.






I was in Nuevo Laredo last night, and smoking was prohibited in all the locals' bars, but not in places like Papagayos. The bars where it is prohibited usually have benchs either outside in front, or in some courtyard in the back where you can smoke.

[Commonglass]

Best mongering trip to Monterrey so far. First off, my gratitude to AmigoMio for reintroducing me to this spectacular city. For those of you who haven't yet met him, I'd recommend trying to connect on the next trip. Really, a fascinating guy.

Marcella. $60. Grade: A-
Very hot girl there named April who only works on the weekends. Age 19, no babies, petite build, nice ass, beautiful face, and PERFECT natural c cups. She was very naive sexually. She wanted an extra $30 for BBBJ (no thanks) and initially seemed serious about their ridiculous 3 position policy. She had never heard of "russo," declined, and then seemed intrigued. Things picked up from there. Superhot session with a sexy teenager that was sexy in spite of herself. She was a creamer. I joked that she had more leche that I did. $60 to the house. The manager pulled her out of the room before I could give her a tip.

Extravagance MP. $75 (including tip). Grade: A-
Azul was with another customer, but they had a VERY nice selection of girls. I had a session with Allison. I think that this is Precocious One's spinner. Very petite 24 year old who looks 18. Two kids, but no stretch marks. Very tight body and a beautiful face. $60 for an hour and $15 for BBBJ and COF. Besos negros at no charge. Nice, acrobatic session. At the end, I unloaded on her face and hair, and she seemed to like it! She invited me to shower with her after the session. 10am to 10pm Monday through Saturday.

Signores. Grade: D
Alas, Signores is starting to suck. Mediocre lady wanted $30 for BBBJ and COF ("mi cara es mi vida!"). More for CIM ("mi boca es mi boca!"). What are things coming to when Signores wants more than $5 per extra? They offered me a refund and I took it.

Infinito
I haven't been to Infinito in a couple of years, but found that the girls are even hotter than last time! During my trip, I later had sex with her and three other girls at Infinito. She was very nice, another lady was OUTSTANDING, and two were bad. Time of day may have had a lot to do with it. The two bad experiences were around 4am, and I think the girls were just all fucked out. One even told me her pussy was worn out and asked me to feel how swollen it was.

Givenchy
A few hot girls there and basically the same deal and setup as Infinito. I almost hooked up with a hot girl that really wanted me (I have an exotic look and she was curious), but she was literally grabbed by an aggressive Mexican as we were heading upstairs. "Un momento," she said as she went upstairs with him. Screw that. The only other girl that I wanted belonged to, yet again, AmigoMio. He was cool with me sessioning his girls, but it didn't feel right, so I didn't hookup with her.

Casino
I hit this place with AmigoMio. A few beautiful girls (mostly AmigoMio's regulars), but a very expensive and manipulative environment. Getting sex there would have set me back well over $100, so better to flirt and hang out. Casino is physically a much more comfortable environment than Infinito because it has brighter lighting and quieter music. The girls were playing serious game, and almost talked me into a $250 lesbian threesome. $80 buys a lot of high quality sex in Monterrey, so not a good deal. I passed, but this might be a good place if you were after a bar girl relationship.

Mathuela
This place has really gone downhill. The quality of girls was so low that I had a hard time finding one that I would have sex with for free. I sessioned a girl just to get downstairs into the privado area. They've changed it! It's not has open, doesn't have nice furniture, and is basically all stalls just like Infinito. What a waste.

[Precocious One]

Best mongering trip to Monterrey so far. First off, my gratitude to AmigoMio for reintroducing me to this spectacular city. For those of you who haven't yet met him, I'd recommend trying to connect on the next trip. Really, a fascinating guy.

Marcella. $60. Grade: A-
Very hot girl there named April who only works on the weekends. Age 19, no babies, petite build, nice ass, beautiful face, and PERFECT natural c cups. She was very naive sexually. She wanted an extra $30 for BBBJ (no thanks) and initially seemed serious about their ridiculous 3 position policy. She had never heard of "russo," declined, and then seemed intrigued. Things picked up from there. Superhot session with a sexy teenager that was sexy in spite of herself. She was a creamer. I joked that she had more leche that I did. $60 to the house. The manager pulled her out of the room before I could give her a tip.

Extravagance MP. $75 (including tip). Grade: A-
Azul was with another customer, but they had a VERY nice selection of girls. I had a session with Allison. I think that this is Precocious One's spinner. Very petite 24 year old who looks 18. Two kids, but no stretch marks. Very tight body and a beautiful face. $60 for an hour and $15 for BBBJ and COF. Besos negros at no charge. Nice, acrobatic session. At the end, I unloaded on her face and hair, and she seemed to like it! She invited me to shower with her after the session. 10am to 10pm Monday through Saturday.

Signores. Grade: D
Alas, Signores is starting to suck. Mediocre lady wanted $30 for BBBJ and COF ("mi cara es mi vida!"). More for CIM ("mi boca es mi boca!"). What are things coming to when Signores wants more than $5 per extra? They offered me a refund and I took it.

Infinito
I haven't been to Infinito in a couple of years, but found that the girls are even hotter than last time! During my trip, I later had sex with her and three other girls at Infinito. She was very nice, another lady was OUTSTANDING, and two were bad. Time of day may have had a lot to do with it. The two bad experiences were around 4am, and I think the girls were just all fucked out. One even told me her pussy was worn out and asked me to feel how swollen it was.

Givenchy
A few hot girls there and basically the same deal and setup as Infinito. I almost hooked up with a hot girl that really wanted me (I have an exotic look and she was curious), but she was literally grabbed by an aggressive Mexican as we were heading upstairs. "Un momento," she said as she went upstairs with him. Screw that. The only other girl that I wanted belonged to, yet again, AmigoMio. He was cool with me sessioning his girls, but it didn't feel right, so I didn't hookup with her.

Casino
I hit this place with AmigoMio. A few beautiful girls (mostly AmigoMio's regulars), but a very expensive and manipulative environment. Getting sex there would have set me back well over $100, so better to flirt and hang out. Casino is physically a much more comfortable environment than Infinito because it has brighter lighting and quieter music. The girls were playing serious game, and almost talked me into a $250 lesbian threesome. $80 buys a lot of high quality sex in Monterrey, so not a good deal. I passed, but this might be a good place if you were after a bar girl relationship.

Mathuela
This place has really gone downhill. The quality of girls was so low that I had a hard time finding one that I would have sex with for free. I sessioned a girl just to get downstairs into the privado area. They've changed it! It's not has open, doesn't have nice furniture, and is basically all stalls just like Infinito. What a waste.


Signores, et al.

I don't recommend any of the low-end places. They are just not worth my time for the incremental savings. And most especially for a guy who is visiting Monterrey where time and shots are of utmost importance.

It really makes no sense for someone to come here and spend time and money on flight, hotel, taxis and other related expenses and then go cheap on the women.

Too bad you never made it into Romanos. That is an establishment that I would recommend to everyone visiting here.

[MonterreyDude]

Glad to hear those kind of words from you Precocious.
Even if I don't do MPs I agree totally with you.

ON the other hand, mongers coming to Monterrey preffer the quick pop for a buck.

Good for them, cause there are many places here in Monterrey that offer that.

Precocious, you are now what we can say "local". You have time enough in your agenda to go up and down the city.
You have to be open minded with visitors to Monterrey that do not share that luck.

It is their prerogative and we must help them.





Signores, et al.

I don't recommend any of the low-end places. They are just not worth my time for the incremental savings. And most especially for a guy who is visiting Monterrey where time and shots are of upmost importance.

It really makes no sense for a someone to come here and spend time and money on flight, hotel, taxis and other related expenses and then go cheap on the women.

Too bad you never made it into Romanos. That is an establishment that I would recommend to everyone visiting here.

[Precocious One]

For you gambling mongers, the Royale Sports Book is an alternative to the Caliente Sports Book. They offer better odds on the parlays and they have action on the Mayorga/Mosely fight this Saturday night which Caliente does not.

Mayorga +600. If "El Matador" comes to fight and is not there to collect a final paycheck(distinct possibility), he is a very live dog.

At this stage in Mosely's career, he should not be a -900 favorite against any active fighter even if it is taking place in his hometown(Home Depot Center, Carson,CA) and that the outcome in all likelihood will go to the cards.

[Precocious One]

Glad to hear those kind of words from you Precocious.
Even if I don't do MPs I agree totally with you.

ON the other hand, mongers coming to Monterrey preffer the quick pop for a buck.

Good for them, cause there are many places here in Monterrey that offer that.

Precocious, you are now what we can say "local". You have time enough in your agenda to go up and down the city.
You have to be open minded with visitors to Monterrey that do not share that luck.

It is their prerogative and we must help them.


Now if we can agree that 99 percent of these girls by and large want absolutely nothing to do with us other than to seperate us from our money, then the only disagreement we will have is the values of a S/C girl as opposed to a M/P girl.

At the end of the day, both of these girls are selling a fantasy which should never be mistaken for reality.

[Slick Willie]

For you gambling mongers, the Royale Sports Book is an alternative to the Caliente Sports Book. They offer better odds on the parlays and they have action on the Mayorga/Mosely fight this Saturday night which Caliente does not.

Mayorga +600. If "El Matador" comes to fight and is not there to collect a final paycheck(distinct possibility), he is a very live dog.

At this stage in Mosely's career, he should not be a -900 favorite against any active fighter even if it is taking place in his hometown(Home Depot Center, Carson,CA) and that the outcome in all likelihood will go to the cards.Thanks for the tip on the fight. Where is the Royale Sports Book located? I used to bet at the Caliente Club in Nuevo Laredo, then after they closed it down, I tried to open up an internet account with them, but they don't take US(or Canadian) customers. Now I either do my betting live at the Juega Juega Casino in NL, or on the internet with betjamaica, but if Monterrey has a couple of different books, I may just ditch NL completely and come to Monterrey for the week-ends, particularly if the girls there are as good as you and amigomio say they are.

[Precocious One]

Thanks for the tip on the fight. Where is the Royale Sports Book located? I used to bet at the Caliente Club in Nuevo Laredo, then after they closed it down, I tried to open up an internet account with them, but they don't take US(or Canadian) customers. Now I either do my betting live at the Juega Juega Casino in NL, or on the internet with betjamaica, but if Monterrey has a couple of different books, I may just ditch NL completely and come to Monterrey for the week-ends, particularly if the girls there are as good as you and amigomio say they are.

I believe that it is on Calz. San Jeronimo close to Dr. Jose Gonzalez. My ticket actually reads Alegre Sports book but the entrance to the place says Royale Sports Book and Casino.

Mayorga got on his hands and knees and prayed after the weigh-in. That is not something a boxer does if he is simply showing up for a paycheck.

If Mayorga has anything left to give to the sport(Trinidad possibly ruined him.) and performs at 100 percent while an unmotivated and distant Mosely only gives 80 percent...Mosely will lose.