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Member #3453

08-19-09, 13:12

In writing this it started to take on a very negative sounding kind of assessment that I really didn't mean to convey. But, it just illustrates the stark contrast that is Monterrey compared to Asia.

Keep in mind however, that I prefer Monterrey to all other venues, mostly because of circumstances I've been able to manage for myself, ones that are not typical for the infrequent visitor...For the average visitor, even with experience, it is only rewarding when everything is in perfect alignment, which is not typical without significant work being necessary. Monterrey is definitely not a world class mongering destination.

It's really nothing like Bangkok or Pattaya...I would caution you that the girl mentality in Monterrey is totally different than what you'll find in Asia. The girls in Asia have no illusions about why they're there. Many of the girls in Monterrey can be sort of delusional about why they're there.

In Monterrey, compared to Asia, you're going to find a much higher percentage of girls that view themselves as "entertainers," some of which will not leave their club environments with anyone, and even a small percentage that will have a reluctance to provide full service on premise. There are some that will restrict their activities to dancing, maybe bouncing on your lap in the privados, covered BJs, etc...And, unlike Asia, EVERYTHING is covered, especially in the bars, not that you would desire anything else, but that is a major distinction compared to Asia. Don't be surprised if you even find that some girls have a Cherry Girl kind of mentality if you've had any experience in the Philippines.

In Asia, ALL girls will go back to your hotel, stay all night, do anything and everything, etc...and for a price that is literally a third of what you'll be expected to pay in Monterrey for a tenth of the time.

In addition, all night back at your hotel is almost unheard of in Monterrey. You will find most of the girls reluctant to spend more than 1.5 hours back at your hotel. The girls are required by their employers to be back at work within 1.5 hours of leaving the club with you, and many of the girls will attempt to cut out early, some enticing you with promises of two hours or more, but actually cutting out as soon as they can when the deed is done.

And, there's a huge percentage that will bait you along with buying them drinks in the bars, promising you the moon, but bleeding your wallet dry buying them drinks, never really intending to leave the bar with you at all. Remember this...in Monterrey, the girls can make as much money bleeding your wallet dry on drinks as they can going back to your hotel. So, MANY will promise you the moon, and leave you with blue balls, not something you are used to if you know the Asian venues. The reason??? Supply and Demand. Simply put, there are a lot more of us than there are of them. In Asia, it's just the opposite. So, keep that in mind if you start to wander back toward an asian kind of strategy.

There are just so many guys in Monterrey that are willing to part with gobs of money squandered on girls that laugh at their jokes, and tell them they are guapo, that the girls do not have to do anything bit sit in their clubs and bleed their wallets dry on drinks and do a little meaningless grinding and conversation in the privados. Supply and Demand permits the girls to get away with it. There are just too many of us, and so comparatively few of them. It is just the opposite of that in Asia.

If you can project the effect that the supply and demand dynamic has on the sex scene in Monterrey, you'll have an advantage over the average visitor with experience elsewhere in the World that has to learn the hard way.

You're going to find that many HOT girls that you would think might be great back at the hotel, are relatively poor lovers, something that you rarely find lacking in Asia. For that reason, you have to really invest some time to find something worth taking back to the hotel. But investment must be metered, just enough spent on drinks and privados, just enough to make a calculated guess with respect to taking them back to your hotel.

It becomes a matter of wasted time taking back a cold fish, a time watcher, a "are you done yet" queen, etc...versus spending time first in the club, gaging their anticipated performance back at your hotel without pissing away a fortune in drinks on a "promiser."

So, Monterrey is a lot more work. There's a lot more failure experienced to achieve eventual success compared to Asia.

In Asia, there is a "sex tourism" kind of mentality. Whereas, Monterrey strip clubs offer more of an entertainment venue, with sex being available under structured circumstances, but for a very expensive price tag compared to Asia, and a quality that's ten times more likely to disappoint on an individual provider basis compared to Asia. So, if you like the Asia kind of experience, it's a lot more work to find that in Monterrey.

Without putting in the work at the club level making your selection, I think you might come away disappointed. There is no "red zone." There are so many different venues in Monterrey that you'll probably feel a little overwhelmed making a decision where to go. Things are so spread out, and there is no one "zona" where you can optimize your time.

I suspect that you'll feel like your time is slipping away without a specific plan of action in advance, especially because the interviewing process in the clubs can be somewhat time consuming if you want to avoid all the pitfalls. But, it's either put in the time in the interviewing process or pay the piper when you get them back to your room and find out they're a real disappointment.

I would put the following clubs on your short list. Mainly because these clubs offer a good likelihood of your finding what you're looking for. Based on your acceptance of the Sheraton environment versus the "No Tell Hotels," I suspect you will not particularly appreciate the lower end clubs like El Infinito, Tangalay, El Cielo, Matehuela, etc...

I don't know your preferences for sure, but I suspect that you may have a taste where you enjoy a little higher level of comfort. For that reason, I'm recommending you spend your time in the medium level clubs, and that you avoid the lower end clubs, other than perhaps just to scope them out for curiosity's sake. And, even if you do scope out the lower level bars, I think you might find them to have kind of a rough and nasty element to them that I suspect will ultimately turn you off.

So, with time being of the essence, you may not want to waste time in the Lower End Bars at all.

Medium Level:
Casino
Bahamas
Harem
Pasarelas
Azul Tequilla
And there are countless others...

Thanks for the hint Amigo mio. Sheraton looks good.

I've read a lot of posts, but I didn't find much advice where to go. So were to start? Other web sources don't give advice either. Is there a red light area. (like Bangkok or Pattaya?)

Thanks again,

Woody

Super Gato

08-20-09, 02:42

somebody is watching us.

this piece is in spanish, but the video part says that monterrey is a sex tourism point of intrest.

http://www.milenio.com/node/254370

the expert couldn't be so wrong!!!!

was the map feature from el norte below part of this story or did they do their own story on it? when i searched the site i kept running up against the pay wall. the el norte map looks like a feature a paper would do as to promote something like a nightlife guide.

i'm not surprised by the sensationalism in the piece like mty being a leading world class sex tourism point of interest. or the sensationalism surrounding the exploitation or the **** girls. like unospongebob says, 99.9% of the mongers in mty are local and it on very people's sex tourism itineraries. the border towns -- especially tijuana -- are much more wider known outside mexico for the booty trade. but sensationalism sells newspapers and gets people to watch the channel.

from the article:

this information was partly derived from interviews with 20 women who are in this situation.

not really a representative sample since many more working girls are on stage at infinito during the presentations.

unrelated question: after watching the video i watch the milenio live feed and saw something that bugged me from when i was watching the channel in tijuana last weekend... the live mexico city channel will have the time in mexico and then rotate to show the other time zones. but the pacific time was an hour earlier than it should be. the offset is 2 hours from central so when i was watching the channel it would say 18:00, 17:00 montaña, 16:00 sonora, and 15:00 pacifico. but this time of year the those freaks in arizona (i was born there so i can talk about them) and sonora are the same time as pacifico because they never change in the spring/fall. and so the pacifico time should have said 16:00. it was driving me nuts and was responsible for me getting to adelita an hour before the shift change! that was on sunday and it is still that way now three days later! has it been that way since the time change? if i can't believe them on something as time as the time, how can i know the reports about monterrey being a sex tourism hotspot are true?

MonterreyDude

08-20-09, 08:11

el norte newspaper and milenio did their things apart.

remember that journalists seldom really know in depth what they handle or write about.

the boss just sends the reporter to do his job and he does it in the best of ways... mostly as in this case, medicore.

from what i gather, el norte's map is way out of touch (places clubs that are closed like givenchy or misses many) and milenio got impressed by an "expert" that did 20 interviews and that was that and the truth became a parameter acording to the expert.

short story, i've been trying to get in touch with some of the journalists that did the story, but i guess they have their own agenda, meaning old news is not good news.

so the "expert" rules for the mean time.

and of course i agree with usb, monterrey is 99.5 % local.

i mean, asides from some very good mongers, some very nice people, who the hell will like to come to monterrey for sex trade???

no one.

was the map feature from el norte below part of this story or did they do their own story on it? when i searched the site i kept running up against the pay wall. the el norte map looks like a feature a paper would do as to promote something like a nightlife guide.

i'm not surprised by the sensationalism in the piece like mty being a leading world class sex tourism point of interest. or the sensationalism surrounding the exploitation or the **** girls. like unospongebob says, 99.9% of the mongers in mty are local and it on very people's sex tourism itineraries. the border towns -- especially tijuana -- are much more wider known outside mexico for the booty trade. but sensationalism sells newspapers and gets people to watch the channel.

from the article:

not really a representative sample since many more working girls are on stage at infinito during the presentations.

unrelated question: after watching the video i watch the milenio live feed and saw something that bugged me from when i was watching the channel in tijuana last weekend... the live mexico city channel will have the time in mexico and then rotate to show the other time zones. but the pacific time was an hour earlier than it should be. the offset is 2 hours from central so when i was watching the channel it would say 18:00, 17:00 montaña, 16:00 sonora, and 15:00 pacifico. but this time of year the those freaks in arizona (i was born there so i can talk about them) and sonora are the same time as pacifico because they never change in the spring/fall. and so the pacifico time should have said 16:00. it was driving me nuts and was responsible for me getting to adelita an hour before the shift change! that was on sunday and it is still that way now three days later! has it been that way since the time change? if i can't believe them on something as time as the time, how can i know the reports about monterrey being a sex tourism hotspot are true?

Precocious One

08-20-09, 15:06

was the map feature from el norte below part of this story or did they do their own story on it? when i searched the site i kept running up against the pay wall. the el norte map looks like a feature a paper would do as to promote something like a nightlife guide.

i'm not surprised by the sensationalism in the piece like mty being a leading world class sex tourism point of interest. or the sensationalism surrounding the exploitation or the **** girls. like unospongebob says, 99.9% of the mongers in mty are local and it on very people's sex tourism itineraries. the border towns -- especially tijuana -- are much more wider known outside mexico for the booty trade. but sensationalism sells newspapers and gets people to watch the channel.

from the article:

not really a representative sample since many more working girls are on stage at infinito during the presentations.

unrelated question: after watching the video i watch the milenio live feed and saw something that bugged me from when i was watching the channel in tijuana last weekend... the live mexico city channel will have the time in mexico and then rotate to show the other time zones. but the pacific time was an hour earlier than it should be. the offset is 2 hours from central so when i was watching the channel it would say 18:00, 17:00 montaña, 16:00 sonora, and 15:00 pacifico. but this time of year the those freaks in arizona (i was born there so i can talk about them) and sonora are the same time as pacifico because they never change in the spring/fall. and so the pacifico time should have said 16:00. it was driving me nuts and was responsible for me getting to adelita an hour before the shift change! that was on sunday and it is still that way now three days later! has it been that way since the time change? if i can't believe them on something as time as the time, how can i know the reports about monterrey being a sex tourism hotspot are true?

rumor has it that someone at el norte saw another established website here in monterrey that had the map and elected to do a story on pay for play. the particular website in question gets some 20 posts a day and, at times, names of women, places and recommendations are given. this pertains to strippers, escorts and masajitas. it is read entirely in spanish and the bloggers there appear to be strictly mexican nationals.

this is my third time living here in monterrey at an average of six months for each particular period. and it is primarily for that of learning the language, vacation and the sex trade. compared to other locales, the cost here for women, after you are considered and treated like a monterrey resident, is at worse 15-20 percent more than other comparable south american and central american locales, especially at today's favorable exchange rate. i have come up with this conclusion after having done research on all the other isg latin american threads reading posts, evaluating total costs and observing photos. and if you have a car here the costs are relatively the same after taking the need for daily transportation(taxis) into consideration. also, the sex workers here are visually inspected twice a month and blood-tested once every three months which is completely obligatory in many other countries of interest. i have absolutely no complaints regarding the quality of women or the level of services that i am currently receiving here in monterrey, mx.

keep in mind that i am a younger guy, speak passable spanish, somewhat attractive and in excellent physical shape which may be attributable to my positive outlook on monterrey mongering, both pro and non-pro. for some of us here, gfe(when a girl permits herself to orgasm when you are inside of here) can happen on the very first encounter. if a guy is not happy here and is upset with the service level being afforded to him by the management and girls here in monterrey, it's probably best for both parties to the agreement that he find another place to monger as he and his money are in all probability not really wanted here. 99 percent of the guys who visit here that fullfill the majority of the above-mentioned physical parameters will be perfectly satisifed with their experience regarding pay for play here in monterrey.

other than the numerous choices of casa de citas, at the end of the day monterrey is just another city in mexico offering sex for sale at various locales.

nothing more, nothing less.

MonterreyDude

08-20-09, 18:08

Super Gato is a semi regular to Monterrrey.

Expert monger in NL, TJ and Reynosa.

A total veteran.

No need to try to coach him.

Rumor has it that someone at El Norte saw another established website here in Monterrey that had the map and elected to do a story on pay for play. The particular website in question gets some 20 posts a day and, at times, names of women, places and recommendations are given. This pertains to strippers, escorts and masajitas. It is read entirely in Spanish and the bloggers there appear to be strictly Mexican Nationals.

This is my third time living here in Monterrey at an average of six months for each particular period. And it is primarily for that of learning the language, vacation and the sex trade. Compared to other locales, the cost here for women, after you are considered and treated like a Monterrey resident, is at worse 15-20 percent more than other comparable South American and Central American locales, especially at today's favorable exchange rate. I have come up with this conclusion after having done research on all the other ISG Latin American threads reading posts, evaluating total costs and observing photos. And if you have a car here the costs are relatively the same after taking the need for daily transportation(taxis) into consideration. Also, the sex workers here are visually inspected twice a month and blood-tested once every three months which is completely obligatory in many other countries of interest. I have absolutely no complaints regarding the quality of women or the level of services that I am currently receiving here in Monterrey, MX.

Keep in mind that I am a younger guy, speak passable Spanish, somewhat attractive and in excellent physical shape which may be attributable to my positive outlook on Monterrey mongering, both pro and non-pro. For some of us here, GFE(when a girl permits herself to orgasm when you are inside of here) can happen on the very first encounter. If a guy is not happy here and is upset with the service level being afforded to him by the management and girls here in Monterrey, it's probably best for both parties to the agreement that he find another place to monger as he and his money are in all probability not really wanted here. 99 percent of the guys who visit here that fullfill the majority of the above-mentioned physical parameters will be perfectly satisifed with their experience regarding pay for play here in Monterrey.

Other than the numerous choices of casa de citas, at the end of the day Monterrey is just another city in Mexico offering sex for sale at various locales.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Member #3453

08-20-09, 20:31

There are far more ringers in Monterrey than good providers. One-time, or occasional visitors, regardless of their self perceived "prowess, " are lambs for the slaughter against the professional bar girl in Monterrey. Experience counts, and time taken assessing providers is the best recommendation one can receive.

It's a matter of supply and demand. There is far more demand for services than supply. Therefore, the girls have a deluge of guys that are younger than these guys, better looking than these guys, better shape then these guys, more Gringo than these guys, etc. And, even more importantly, more foolish with their money than these guys. And, the girls are pros at making you think they'll be good, turning on the charm in the clubs.

But, get them back to the room, and so many of them are duds. Especially with the occasional, or one time visitors. They know you will never be back. So many of the girls are lazy, and lack any kind of effort in really providing a porn star experience. It's all about getting as much of your money in as short a period of time as possible. So, those of you that are one time visitors, or infrequent visitors, are better served by doing your homework in the clubs, taking some time to assess the talent with a very critical eye.

No matter how much physical prowess one has, do not think the girls are so easy impressed that you can turn a lousy provider into a porn star experience. You can't turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The secret, regardless of one's physical prowess, is that the female nature is much less impressed by things physical/visual, and much more persuaded by things emotional/psychological. These truths are part of Female Nature 101. So, relying on things that you perceive as impressive to them, will result in they using it against you to sink the hook deeply.

The Monterrey Bar Girls are outstanding actresses. If you do not know them well, you will never really know what they're thinking and feeling. It is possible to get close to them if you're a regular, and then you might just understand them. But, for most newbie or occasional visitors, they will pander to these guy's ego, take these guys for a ride, and not the other way around. If you choose wisely though, these guys might just be convinced that these guys are all part of the same mutual admiration society, and these guys go away happy, not really ever knowing what they're really thinking, right?

Member #3453

08-20-09, 21:11

If you are applying my comments to anything you may have posted, then it's entirely in your own mind. I made no references to your post, nor did I "quote" your post in any way. I am doing the same as you...giving advice, advice that is not derived from anything you may have said, but made from my own observations about comments that some apparently believe their prowess to somehow make them less susceptible to bar girl strategies. I am not being offensive or calling you names. My singular comments are made in disagreement with a particular strategy. I am not in violation of the rules in making my comments. And, when I use the word "you" in quotes, it is designed to be applied to all that such generalities may apply.

Please do no comment on my posts.

Super Gato

08-21-09, 01:31

Keep in mind that I am a younger guy, speak passable Spanish, somewhat attractive and in excellent physical shape which may be attributable to my positive outlook on Monterrey mongering, both pro and non-pro. For some of us here, GFE(when a girl permits herself to orgasm when you are inside of here) can happen on the very first encounter.

Wow I wish I was a such a ladies man like you who make the ladies all purr on the first encounter. I'd never seen GFE defined that way.

AmigoMio is an incredible resource for the scene in Monterrey and always enjoy his posts as well as being able to hit the bars with him when I'm in town.

Precocious One

08-21-09, 02:40

Wow I wish I was a such a ladies man like you who make the ladies all purr on the first encounter. I'd never seen GFE defined that way.

AmigoMio is an incredible resource for the scene in Monterrey and always enjoy his posts as well as being able to hit the bars with him when I'm in town.How in the world did you perversely construe my statement in regards to the Monterrey sex scene which consisted of, "For some of us here, GFE(when a girl permits herself to orgasm when you are inside of her) can happen on the very first encounter," to me thinking that I am "such a ladies man," "who make the ladies all purr"?

Super Gato, are you trying to say that you have never had a service provider have an orgasm with you on the very first encounter?

No, I am not a self-proclaimed "ladies man" and if you read my 230+ posts you will see that I am also not the kind of guy who comes onto an anonymous sexsite and brags about himself. I have physically described myself here strictly in defense and those that have met me know that the description is valid and have never disputed it.

And, if you thoroughly read the post that you are making reference to, you will clearly see that I said "can" as opposed to "all" regarding service providers and GFE on the very first encounter. And yes, GFE to me is only when a girl finishes, which they may only do on three or four seperate occasions with you before they show you the door as most do not want to continually put out that kind of effort or the initial physical attraction simply wears off. Many other guys define GFE within the same context. Believe me, I am not the first nor will I be the last. The female orgasm, when you are inside of her, is the ultimate form of GFE.

Also, if you have been reading the Monterrey thread, you should already know that the only self-proclaimed "ladies man" here is your buddy, Amigomio. Just re-read posts 1567, 1634, 1636 and 1679 of this same thread. After you read it, I think that you will agree. I still can't figure out with all these girls that he proclaims to have why he ultimately ends up at all those 100-200 peso casa de citas(post 1748) to pay for sex.

PS

By the way, I do agree with you that Amigomio is a very good resource here for visiting mongers and his map is actually famous. And, it's great that you're friends with him.

It just so happens that he and I don't get along and that's the reason why it's best we don't interact. He just won't let it go, whatever it is he is holding onto.

Member #3453

08-21-09, 07:55

Super Gato

08-21-09, 15:35

GFE is an emotional investment given by the girl, to enhance the overall experience. I don't believe it can be measured solely by the delivery of orgasm, which is simply a mechanical technique properly applied. GFE is something felt by the male, resulting directly from the female's emotional investment in the encounter.

That's always been my working definition. A woman's orgasm isn't as purely mechanical as a dude's orgasm, most women tend to come vaginally when they're more emotionally invested in a guy. Although with civilians I will do all I can for her to come. When it is p4p, I'm more concerned about my getting off first and foremost. She's getting paid; if gets off then that's her propina. Not to say I'm not treating her well during our time together. But ultimately, it is a business transaction.

Precocious One

08-21-09, 15:55

That's always been my working definition. A woman's orgasm isn't as purely mechanical as a dude's orgasm, most women tend to come vaginally when they're more emotionally invested in a guy. Although with civilians I will do all I can for her to come. When it is p4p, I'm more concerned about my getting off first and foremost. She's getting paid; if gets off then that's her propina. Not to say I'm not treating her well during our time together. But ultimately, it is a business transaction.

My point exactly. All non-pro GF's are emotionally invested and a women's internal orgasm, by and large, is an emotional investment. That is why many of us here believe that a service provider's orgasm, when you are inside of her, is the pinnacle of success in regards to GFE.

I had a new girl last week that I met at an MP that told me straight-out that she was not going to DFK with me, the mandatory prescience for GFE. I asked her seven times, in succession, "Yo quiero besarte." Whenever she tried to say something to me or refute my advances, "Yo quiero besarte." On my eighth attempt she gave up the DFK.

And then she gave up the GFE.

The GFE was all over my stomach(MISH), running down her leg, and onto the bedsheet. Awesome. Incredible. Victory.

I returned two days later(I don't f_ck around when it comes to GFE) and once inside of the room she specifically told me that there was going to be no more DFK and no more GFE. It was a one time thing and she doesn't provide that service to her clients.

She refunded my money(I elected to not partake in her services), I kissed her on the cheek for providing me the GFE for that one and only time, and I was out the door.

This is what guys that share the same definition of GFE as myself are up against here in Monterrey.

Allday.

Everyday.

Member #3453

08-21-09, 18:18

Her orgasm is not the measure by which one receives GFE. GFE is an emotional reaction to us, and not a physical one. It does not surprise me that GFE is not encountered, therefore, on subsequent visits.

Girls do not want to lose physical control at the expense of their emotional well being, which is paramount to all females, even pros. That's why many pros withhold GFE, and perform only in the physical sense.

They are perfectly willing to experience the physical pleasure of orgasm, but they refuse to even kiss us on the lips, just further evidence that their state of mind with respect to having physical sex with us is separate from their emotional side, they separating the act of sex in their minds from their emotional side, represented to them in the form of kissing, further evidence that orgasm does not necessarily translate into defining GFE.

There have been so many girls that have orgasmed, and I forgot about them five minutes after the door hit them in the butt on the way out, strictly mechanical sex, nothing special...I mean, we males always cum, right?

Whereas, there are a number of others that did not orgasm, but I remember them vividly as GFE. I repeat with them often, whether they orgasm or not.

I can get mechanical sex anywhere, and watch them orgasm, shutter, and shiver, all day long...

GFE, on the other hand, is significantly less common, and significantly more important to my overall satisfaction, which is, afterall, the object of the game, verdad? And, if I work at it with genuine sincerity, focusing mostly on emotional things, the GFE just keeps getting better and better. The affection, the kissing, the hugs, el carino, and the orgasms follow with increased frequency as the cost continues to go down, and the amount of time spent by them goes up. GFE, by that definition, is the goal of my endeavors.

MonterreyDude

08-21-09, 19:04

Many options, many ways life turns.

My 2 cents: We as individuals look for a certain kind of girl that will fullfill our wishes and fit what we are paying for too.

In my specific case I will look for girls that kiss and will like to have orgasms and have such an experience that when they see me walking again into the SC or MP I can see them grinning and thinking that they will once again have fun with me.

Ok, that's me.

There is no rule of thumb here.

In my case Iam 50 years old and I have never ever had so many GFs running around, more than I can remember even when I was 30 or 40.

But still, being 50 it makes me be twice, triple or cuadruple as carfull as in not to lose them to younger guys, which is the mayor threat here.

Case in point, I had a distinguished monger from an other forum in Mty a couple of weeks ago.

This guy is 30 with Easter Europe genes, which made him stand out all over the places I took him too.

A girl at Casino just fell for him on the spot, literally on the spot in such a way that she told me that she would charge him 500 pesos to see him outside the club (when a girl says she charges him half the regular rate, that means that once out of sight, it will be free) and when the guy jokingly said if she wanted to go to Mexico City for the weekend, in a split second she answered YES!!!.

There is no rule of thumb.

But one thing is true: If the girls put an act, we as customers must put an act by ourselves. One that surpasses them.

Her orgasm is not the measure by which one receives GFE. GFE is an emotional reaction to us, and not a physical one. It does not surprise me that GFE is not encountered, therefore, on subsequent visits.

Girls do not want to lose physical control at the expense of their emotional well being, which is paramount to all females, even pros. That's why many pros withhold GFE, and perform only in the physical sense.

They are perfectly willing to experience the physical pleasure of orgasm, but they refuse to even kiss us on the lips, just further evidence that their state of mind with respect to having physical sex with us is separate from their emotional side, they separating the act of sex in their minds from their emotional side, represented to them in the form of kissing, further evidence that orgasm does not necessarily translate into defining GFE.

There have been so many girls that have orgasmed, and I forgot about them five minutes after the door hit them in the butt on the way out, strictly mechanical sex, nothing special...I mean, we males always cum, right?

Whereas, there are a number of others that did not orgasm, but I remember them vividly as GFE. I repeat with them often, whether they orgasm or not. I can get mechanical sex anywhere, and watch them orgasm, shutter, and shiver, all day long...GFE, on the other hand, is significantly less common, and significantly more important to my overall satisfaction, which is, afterall, the object of the game, verdad?

On another note,
Amigomio is surpassing me in the number of posts...uhmmmm, don't know if like that. :-))) Just joking "C."

MonterreyDude

08-21-09, 19:42

Strip Club Updates.

Givenchy has permantly closed.
The Old Givenchy has been merged with the Infinito to use the stage as a third one, making Infinito an enormous club now.

Partenon is still the same ugly club as always, but together with Tangalay, both have benefited of the closing of both Old and New Givenchys.

Partenon still has the same setting, a 3 pronged stage, old style tables, smelly booths, but the girl manifest is impressive.
Tons of girls, not many to my liking (we Mexicans have engrained in our genes a caste system that sees the kind of girls working here as bottom of the barrel kind) but anyway, tons of options.

And cheap salida/barfine too.

One thing is true about all the big medium priced clubs like Casino, Bahamas, Pasarelas, Harem, Infinito and Partenon.
All are boasting lineups of 40-50 girls now.

Incredible.

MonterreyDude

08-21-09, 20:22

Woody, this is my Monterrey map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111503405859056842911.0004453c3d2b791e9f99a&ll=25.682762,-100.310926&spn=0.042388,0.068836&z=14&om=0

It's a Google map I've been composing.
Includes MPs, SCs and hotels (Sheraton included).

One thing is that it seems you haven't been to Monterrey.
Monterrey is a big city, with no Red Zone.

As you see in the map, everything is spread all over.

Check it out and if you have any questions, please ask them.

Thanks for the hint Amigo mio. Sheraton looks good.

I've read a lot of posts, but I didn't find much advice where to go. So were to start? Other web sources don't give advice either. Is there a red light area. (like Bangkok or Pattaya?)

Thanks again,

Woody

Super Gato

08-21-09, 21:31

There have been so many girls that have orgasmed, and I forgot about them five minutes after the door hit them in the butt on the way out, strictly mechanical sex, nothing special...I mean, we males always cum, right?

Whereas, there are a number of others that did not orgasm, but I remember them vividly as GFE. I repeat with them often, whether they orgasm or not.

I can get mechanical sex anywhere, and watch them orgasm, shutter, and shiver, all day long...

Whether she comes or not my number one criteria is her enthusiasm and what she puts into my orgasm. Just like a good girlfriend would do. Again, if she's a civilian I'm going to go out of my way to make her see god.

My current Nuevolaredense favorita gives me a great PSE every time. Her energy and enthusiasm and he desire to get me off is how she gets my repeat business (and her smoking hot body and looks). She often comes as well but I never forget that she's in the room to collect the pesos I leave on her dresser. She knows I act as a gentleman (versus the kids in her age group) and treat her like a lady and she'll often get off with me, but her investment in me is because doesn't want to lose me to her sisters in the club (not really a worry lately has she is far and away the hottest girl... and her sister does literally work in the same club but not nearly as hot...now her prima, that's another story). She knows I poke other girls when I'm in town and is alright with that, but she knows how to keep me coming back for more.

My favorite reason for mongering is to find new girls. I'll like having favoritas everywhere I visit in case I hit a town when there aren't girls up to my standards. Some on these boards hate the scene at f*ck shops like Adelita and Hong Kong but that's what I love and I can tell before I get upstairs if she's going to cogerme con gusto or just going to lay there like a stuck up *****.

Getting back to MTY, I definitely need to get down and see the expanded Infinito. I'm hoping they're getting lots of tasty new talent for their new stage.

Super Gato

08-21-09, 21:40

Sheraton Ambassador at the downtown hotel district.
Very good hotel.

Not quite close to the action, but girl friendly, yes.

After that one, there are many good ones, but none accept female company within their premises.

I've stayed at the Sheraton several times and for a girl friendly hotel, there isn't much better. Still, of course you must use discretion as it is a family hotel and 99% of the guests aren't mongers.

As one of the major hotels in the area instead of having regular taxis with meters, there are special hotel taxis which are in nicer, larger sedans with AC, but they cost more. I found if you exit the hotel to the right and walk toward the Metro station at the end of the pedestrian mall (see Amigomio's map) you'll run into a taxis that will take you to the bars on Villagran for a fraction of the price. (regardless of taxi type, many drivers will feign not knowing where places like Infinito are and will try and steer you toward a high-end strip club... these guys know where Infinito is. They'll say these bars are dangerous but they aren't. Don't fall for their tricks the high-end fleece joint pay them for delivering guys to their establishment).

Member #3453

08-22-09, 05:57

Basically, if you were familiar with the old Givenchy, they just knocked the wall out between the two, taking the bar area out of what was the South Wall of El Infinito. You can now gaze from what used to be the confines of El Infinito into the expanded side which was formerly the Old Givenchy. The room where the Old Givenchy used to be is almost like it's been untouched. The stage in the same place, the stairway up the to the Old Givenchy privados is still in the same place, the seating arrangement is basically the same, etc...

But, it struck me kind of Twilight Zone-ish, seeing exact remnants of the Old Givenchy as you gaze from the Infinito side, and simultaneously coming to the realization that the Old Givenchy will never be again, but that it still exists there visually as it once was. Weird!!!

Oh, it was never really a great resource, the Old Givenchy...It was very iffy, but sometimes offered an occasionally surprisingly good bar fine. I felt a kind of melancholy when scoping it out perhaps wondering if what I was seeing is the end of an era.

I've also missed the resource that the now closed "New" Givenchy offered. If you compare the resources offered by the lower end club scene, it sort of seemed as though the pool of options might have started to dry up a little bit compared to ten years ago, when I first started coming to Monterrey.

But, optimistically, I am extremely impressed with the options offered at Parthenon, a former sh*thole of a place. The girls at Parthenon are quite inexperienced with respect to their knowing their business, very young (almost scarily so), thin, HOT, willing, and cheap. It, along with some spill over that seems to have occurred at Tangalay from the closing of the New Givenchy, seems to have given us a kind of renewal along the Villa Gran Gauntlet with respect to the low end bar scene.

However, I just have to comment that, while what I see at Parthenon lately has me impressed, I am suspicious that the girls working there will not last long. When a bar engages in it's kind of violations of minimum employee eligibility standards, it could quite seriously jeopardize their license to do business. So, it would not surprise me if Parthenon regressed to it's old self in relatively short order as an act of self preservation.

Getting back to MTY, I definitely need to get down and see the expanded Infinito. I'm hoping they're getting lots of tasty new talent for their new stage.

Woody53

08-22-09, 07:18

Wow, that's great! A map like yours is a perfect aid to get around. (And, as mentioned elsewhere, to keep taxi drivers on track :-) I'm really curios about MTY.
Thanks’ again for you help, Amigomio!

Woody, this is my Monterrey map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111503405859056842911.0004453c3d2b791e9f99a&ll=25.682762,-100.310926&spn=0.042388,0.068836&z=14&om=0

It's a Google map I've been composing.
Includes MPs, SCs and hotels (Sheraton included).

One thing is that it seems you haven't been to Monterrey.
Monterrey is a big city, with no Red Zone.

As you see in the map, everything is spread all over.

Check it out and if you have any questions, please ask them.

MonterreyDude

08-22-09, 18:43

Thank you Woody.

Check the map, see where the Sheraton is located in reference to the clubs.

Beware of the clubs close by, like Reno and Spugna.

Both are expensive tourist traps.

And if you have any questions, just place them here.

Wow, that's great! A map like yours is a perfect aid to get around. (And, as mentioned elsewhere, to keep taxi drivers on track :-) I'm really curios about MTY.

Thanks’ again for you help, Amigomio!

Zoom 21

09-21-09, 18:24

Captbb

09-22-09, 12:51

Precocious One

09-23-09, 15:23

I have not been to Mexico in over 30 yesrs.

I dogo to CR, Colombia and Vevezual often.

Scecure parking overnight or best.

I going to drive this trip.

I can't fly broke leg thing to do regarding car.

Hello Captbb,

Make sure that you pick up MX auto insurance once you cross the border. You may also want to pay for a MX car permit(around $20.00) as the policia can theoretically impound your car if you do not register it at customs(I have never had a problem in the four years, off and on, that I have lived in MX). Also, if you have a BofA ATM card, they won't charge you a fee if you use Santander Bank. The ATM's also give the best exchange rates that are generally three to four percent better than the money exchange centers or banks.

Send me a PM if you need any recommendations of Casa de Cita girls. I have six or seven that I can refer to you that provide excellent service.

PS

Last week, the Holiday Inn Express(1-800-000-04-04/52-81-8125-4600x170) had a sign out that was claiming a weekday promotion of buy one get one free. I don't know if it meant a free night as I never checked it out. It is on the corner of Ave. Colon and Idelfonso Vasquez and is conveniently located close to the majority of strip clubs and Casa de Citas in Monterrey Centro.

MonterreyDude

09-24-09, 08:12

Captbb.
In 30 years Mexico has changed a lot.

Do not expect it to be as cheap as CR, Colombia or Vene at all.

Do not expect cheap accomodations.

100 dlls over there can get you a Toda la Noche as here, you only get one hour in average.

If you are looking for experiences equivalent to those you can get at Cali, Bogota or Medellin... you won't.

You won't see girls in abundance as in those places nor as in the numbers that can be found there.

Monterrey does not cater to monger tourism as Bogota or Brazil.

Girls are hot, but in Monterrey, girls are not as desperate for money as their Central America and Southern American counterparts.

So expect surcharges to a regular rate to get whatever comes to your mind.

I have not been to Mexico in over 30 yesrs.

I dogo to CR, Colombia and Vevezual often.

Scecure parking overnight or best.

I going to drive this trip.

I can't fly broke leg thing to do regarding car.

Precocious One

09-24-09, 16:29

Sorry for the late report but I was busy with Girlfriend.

I spend 1 day in Monterrey before going to see my regular girl in Reynosa, wake Up @ 11:00 am and went to the MP Signore, this is a real chip place and I spend 150 pesos for full service and and extra 100 for a bbbj.

Later the same day went to the MP Romanos and have a full service with a girl name Monserrrat, She was lactating and I have real fun sucking up her jugs, the total cost was 600 pesos which is not bad comparing with the prices I found in Poza Rica.

After taking supper went to the SC Infinito.I was real impress with the place. It has change a lot after my visit 2 years ago. I got a full service upstairs in the small booth for 300 pesos, I don't remember the name of the girl.

After a couple beers I invite a girl to sit with me and I ask her about a TLN deal. She charge 1350 pesos 350 for the club and 1000 for her. Take her to my room and spend the rest of the night with Her. She stays @ 3.00 hrs and it was a real GF service. She was pregnant in an early stage and she was really horny or a real good actress. I reserve her name for myself but if you go this Infinito SC you will find a lot of girls to choose from.

Zoom

Although I hadn't pursued any new P4P in over a month since I have had a non-pro GF occupying my time, the above numbers given by Zoom 21 are what a visiting monger should expect to pay when pursuing sex in Monterrey, MX.

I did happen to step out the other day for the first time in five or so weeks and tried a new location. $700 pesos/hour($52.00 at current exchange) with a strong eight. A worthless massage was followed by attempted BBBJ, attempted BBFS(I believe that she tried to pull me in MISH sin condom), Besos Negros and sincere DFK to COB finish. No tip was ever asked for or mentioned prior to the completion of the session. Two other locations I know of are also offering buy four sessions get one free. A 20 percent discount. This practice was completely unheard of last year. A new place I know of tried to offer $500 pesos/40 minute massage/HJ. Within two months they are now F/S for $500 pesos. From my perspective, the conditions right now are optimum for P4P and have never been better in the last three years that I have lived here in Monterrey.

In my opinion, the economic climate is unequivocally getting worse here. There are no visible "green shoots" and none that I foresee in the immediate future. CRE for lease/sale signs are probably running at a 10 percent rate throughout the city and everyone I talk to states that business is down a minimum of 30 percent(YOY) and has gotten progressively worse in the last two months, synonymous with Mexico's recent unprecedented(other than GD1) cumulative 10 percent GDP decline in Q1&2 of 2009.

For me personally, I believe that $700 pesos($52.00) can get a guy great sex here in Monterrey, MX.

No problem.

As always, established ISG members can PM me for the name and location of the above-mentioned session.

Member #3453

09-25-09, 04:37

To put everything in proper perspective with respect to comparing Monterrey to Colombia for example...I routinely paid no more than $28 for todo la noche, and on one occasion, the girl even bringing her cousin with her the next night, they showing up on my door step, patrolling outside my rental apartment as they waited for me to arrive back to my apartment one evening.

I rented a very large, fully furnished apartment for no more than about $38 a night, right on the beach mind you. Now, granted, it has been just a few years since I visited Colombia (no more than 5 years). But, the point is, if there's a crisis in Mexico driving down prices, what do you think is occurring in countries whose populations are really poor? So, I would not be surprised to find a similar circumstance there now. But, regardless, I can guarantee that the prices in Monterrey will prove to ultimately be at least 4 times higher than what can be found in Colombia for example for the same level of quality.

$28 for two girls for todo la noche...And, I have friends that own property in Colombia that routinely tell me of their similar exploits, they being able to achieve unbelievable results from the mere offer of a pizza or sandwich to what amounts to a sometimes starving population of young girls that are virtually penniless, some of them sleeping on the beach at night, they jumping at the chance to stretch out on a nice clean bed in the lap of virtual luxury.

Certainly, there are some nice girls to be found in Monterrey, but they will NEVER show up looking for you for anything less than about $60 an hour. And, truthfully, I can count on one hand the numbers of girls that have shown up looking for business, whereas it's standard operating procedure in Colombia, South America, and the whole of Asia.

The point is, it's a totally and completely different level of need in Colombia, or any of the South American Countries, versus Monterrey. The girls in Monterrey are available for P4P, but make no mistake, in comparison to South American prices, you will pay at least, and I mean AT LEAST, three times the cost, you will get one tenth the time spent, and the quality of selection simply does not compare unless you're willing to spend at least 15 times the cost you're used to spending in South America and/or Asia.

And to add insult to injury, in Monterrey you will not receive nearly the level of routine GFE that accompanies a Colombia or Asia kind of experience without significantly working to know the personality of the girl you're with.

Anyone who hopes eternal that they will come to Monterrey and receive the same level of GFE one is used to receiving in South America or Asia, for even ten times what they're used to paying in the notorious venues, is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but I just cringe at any comparison of Monterrey to some of the notorious destinations. There simply is no comparison, and to expect that the expectations of those that have hybrid expectations will be met for mongers that frequent the notorious venues by coming to Monterrey, is just ludicrous.

Anyone routinely traveling to Colombia and/or South America, or Asia, for that matter, after having experienced that level of GFE, and the "totality" of the sex tourism experience offered in those other venues, in comparing Monterrey, will never, ever be satisfied with the results they will find patronizing one of Monterrey's MPs. That is not to criticize the MP experience, but it's simply an acknowledgment that the type of monger traveling to the notorious venues is looking for a different kind of experience than what is offered in the MPs of Monterrey. There simply is NO comparison between the two.

And, while the strip clubs can result in the same level of experience as what is routinely found in the notorious venues, the cost will be staggering in comparison, and the work involved in getting to know the girl sufficiently to extract a similar GFE experience requires inordinate amounts of time in comparison to the little work that is necessary in the notorious venues.

Word to the wise...To those who are widely traveled with worldly experience...just keep your expectations in perspective, and visit Monterrey with no illusions. Only then will you possibly enjoy your experience in Monterrey. But, honestly, I suspect you will be kind of wishing you were elsewhere as you compare the uncomparable.

For those that live in or routinely frequent Monterrey, and are able to spend significant amounts of time there, their quality of result can be more in tune with a hybrid GFE experience. Such is the case for me, spending sufficient amounts of time to truly cultivate not only a legitimate relationship, but also having become sufficiently intimately familiar with large numbers of girls, thereby yielding for me, and for all others that are regular visitors, or residents of Monterrey, experiences similar to what can be achieved in the notorious worldwide venues, albeit at a cost that's still 3 to 5 times higher than some other venues.

Even with all the advantage we regulars have over the one time, or infrequent visitor, the cost is still significantly higher than what is available in the worldwide notorious venues. I mean, having a legitimate GF is certainly not inexpensive, and apart from the GF, the pros all expect you to pay because, even if you are good friends, they expect you to take care of them. Besides, taking care of them is in your own best interests if you expect to glean the best possible experiences. I always pay, and I always show them I care about them, and I do. However, in most cases, I am able to reduce the costs significantly in relation to time spent, usually, I believe, because I have become a friend, and I am not strictly their client.

But, realistically, were I not in a legitimate relationship, and were I not enjoying a return to Monterrey to visit mis amigos, I would not be choosing to visit Monterrey as often as I do, which amounts to a significant part of my life at this juncture.

But, I have no desire to live in Mexico because my lifestyle in the USA far surpasses what I would be able to achieve in Monterrey. And that's a direct commentary on the high cost of actually living in Monterrey versus most other major US Cities. Simply put, were I strictly interested in achieving the best experiences, I would be off to Rio, Colombia, and had I the time to travel, probably Asia. Without a doubt.

Simply put, for most, the cost to travel to Monterrey is almost as much as if you fly to the Philippines, where if you ever experience that venue, Monterrey will pale so significantly in comparison that you will wonder about your own sanity in ever having considered visiting Monterrey in the first place. It's that stark a contrast.

Lets be honest, people like us who visit Monterrey regularly are not saving one thin dime by limiting our decisions to travel to Monterrey versus other venues. The costs are so significantly less for P4P in the other notorious venues, that the travel costs are so mitigated by those reduced costs, that it is literally no more expensive to travel to the notorious venues than to Monterrey, unless you live close to the border and choose to drive down.

Aside from my own legitimate relationship with a gorgeous, HOT, and unbelievably sexy "Diva," (Amigomio's words), and her absolutely alluring GFE that motivates me back to Monterrey....not to mention my need to check up on Amigomio and jab him with my critique of his methods and strategies (just joking C :-))))) ), and to deliver my famous cookies to he and his harem of girls, the travel time required to go to the notorious venues limits my own present availability to travel to the promised lands.

Apart from my own positive circumstances, and the positive circumstances experienced by those of us who either frequent or live in Monterrey, it would be a disappointing comparison to a whole host of other, much more rewarding venues were our limitations not time related, or directly related to our own personal relationship circumstances.

But, there is the legitimate argument about the allure of Latin girls, something that I have compared to almost all other ethnic categories. For me, there is no better "GF" experience attainable than what I've found in my own legitimate Mexican GF. And, generally speaking, I personally enjoy the personalities and the sensuality of Latin girls much more than the Asian girls.

So, for me, I am choosing to pay for my preferred kind of experience. Unfortunately, I am paying much more than would be necessary had I no legitimate Mexican GF, and had I the additional time and the logistical justification with respect to my business interests to travel more extensively.

Realistically, gleaning the GFE from your legitimate GF, requires you to be as generous to her, costing you more than if you paid for it with pros. But, on the other hand, if your goal is to achieve the most intense GFE possible, being generous with your GF, and showing her your devotion to her, is part and parcel to motivating her own behavior toward you, and such "investment" is absolutely mandatory if you expect reciprical GFE from her, whether she is your wife, a GF, a pro, or a non-pro. The basic elements of motivation exist regardless of which category of girl you're dealing with.

Like some, I am in sort of a holding pattern in Monterrey, and making the best of it. But, make no mistake, my comments about Monterrey are bitter sweet because Monterrey has actually been "bery bery guuud to me."

Doubt98

09-26-09, 12:27

Precocious One

09-26-09, 18:04

Uno you started this so I'll add to it. You are correct about Monterrey being expensive to get to, the women are not bargains, and GFE is hard to find. But the things that Monterrey has going for it are the cabs are safe, which is rare, the areas of town where we go are safe to walk in. If you plan ahead the rooms are very reasonable. My favorite thing is the location of all those clubs within such a short distance of each other.

I'm sure there are plenty of venues all over the world that would be great to explore and eventually I will. But Monterrey is quick to get to, not prohibitively expensive, and hasn't disappointed me yet.

To sum it up, it may not be cheap, may not be the best, but it damn sure is user friendly.

If you monger for extended periods at a time, the ability to have a vehicle in Mexico is worth at least $500/month(6650 pesos/approximately 10 sessions) when factoring your budget and comparing other destinations.

I cannot stress enough to anyone that has thought about taking some time off to simply enjoy life and fu_k hot Mexicanas how absolutely ripe the conditions are right now here in Monterrey, MX. Other than three "hickeys" that I currently have on my neck, things have never been better for me in the last three years that I have lived here.

As recently evidenced by Zoom 21's TLN(toda la noche) deal, $1000 pesos($75.00) can go a long way for a guy here in Monterrey, MX.

MonterreyDude

09-26-09, 22:25

Precociuos, if you read Zoom's post, it wasn't exactly a TLN.

It was 3 hours.

That's hardly a TLN.

If you monger for extended periods at a time, the ability to have a vehicle in Mexico is worth at least $500/month(6650 pesos/approximately 10 sessions) when factoring your budget and comparing other destinations.

I cannot stress enough to anyone that has thought about taking some time off to simply enjoy life and fu_k hot Mexicanas how absolutely ripe the conditions are right now here in Monterrey, MX. Other than three "hickeys" that I currently have on my neck, things have never been better for me in the last three years that I have lived here.

As recently evidenced by Zoom 21's TLN(toda la noche) deal, $1000 pesos($75.00) can go a long way for a guy here in Monterrey, MX.

MonterreyDude

09-26-09, 22:30

Doubt, you are damn right Monterrey is user friendly and it is also cheap if compared to other cities like Guadalajara, and small towns like Saltillo, Toluca, Veracruz, San Luis Potosi, Puebla, etc.

But damn if am curious to see the girls of South America, land of the cheap.

Uno you started this so I'll add to it. You are correct about Monterrey being expensive to get to, the women are not bargains, and GFE is hard to find. But the things that Monterrey has going for it are the cabs are safe, which is rare, the areas of town where we go are safe to walk in. If you plan ahead the rooms are very reasonable. My favorite thing is the location of all those clubs within such a short distance of each other.

I'm sure there are plenty of venues all over the world that would be great to explore and eventually I will. But Monterrey is quick to get to, not prohibitively expensive, and hasn't disappointed me yet.

To sum it up, it may not be cheap, may not be the best, but it damn sure is user friendly.

Member #3453

09-27-09, 13:17

Yes, and in the notorious venues, TLN is defined as girls following you around, turning true TLN into morning, noon, and night. A lot of girls are looking for security, and won't let you go once they find you, and especially if they like you.

Remember, supply and demand is completely opposite Monterrey. So, there are so many more girls, and so few a number of mongers. So, when they find you, they're quite motivated to hang on, lest they be thrown back into their impoverished condition. And, they are all operating in that mind set. It is common to experience not only TLN, but TLS (Todo La Semana)...all week long.

And, I might also suggest too that it is quite another "motivation" to just want money, not really being in true poverty, but simply poor, ie: Monterrey Girls, versus being in abject poverty, ie: South America.

That level of need almost acts as a catalyst for BFE (boyfriend experience), and the resulting GFE. Remember, ALL girls want security, regardless of where you find them, even the USA. So, I believe the intensity of GFE found in comparison to Monterrey is directly related to the poverty levels, resulting in what we perceive is very cheap TLN.

So, compared to Monterrey, it's not even a comparable discussion...

And, one additional observation...most guys, unless there truly is significant chemistry for them, are dying for the girls to finally leave, as the girls go kicking and screaming. Because literally, there is no stronger chemistry for them than to sense that their savior from abject poverty is in their midst.

Boy, what a difference between that and the attitudes and living conditions of the girls in Monterrey, verdad?

Precociuos, if you read Zoom's post, it wasn't exactly a TLN.

It was 3 hours.

That's hardly a TLN.

Member #3453

09-27-09, 13:40

Very well put...While the level of violent crime, mostly drug related, has escalated considerably over the last ten years. I am seemingly still able to walk the streets at night to this day, and I have never, EVER been accosted. I am continually warned by natives of Monterrey, girls, waiters, etc..to be very careful doing so. They all seem to sincerely believe we are taking our safety into our own hands by walking at night between the clubs in El Centro.

But, the reality is, I have walked those streets, some of them admittedly dark and spooky at times, but never had a feeling that anybody I might randomly come across under those circumstances had any ill intentions whatsoever toward me. I am, being a Gringo, probably about twice the size of most Mexicanos...so maybe that helps. But, literally, I have come across small groups of men who would be a much more formidable opposition in numbers, but I have never felt threatened by them, never in the least. Try going to a place like RIO and walking the dark streets at night...even with a gun!

And, another good thing...the Police in El Centro are everywhere. I've heard said that if you walk in the Areas of Apodaca at night, it is very dangerous. So, maybe they just have El Centro under control, and some of the other areas of Monterrey, where we don't typically frequent, there are the petty and violent crime levels that motivate the natives to warn us accordingly.

The other thing that I really like about Monterrey is the health checks on the girls working in the clubs and MPs. Regardless of the precautions that all should be taking with the girls, it's nice to know there's another line of defense.

In the notorious venues of the World, that's not really the case, and you'll find a much higher incidents of AIDS, and other sexually transmitted diseases. Now, if you're careful with your own precautions, then you have that covered. But, frankly, no matter how careful we are, whom among us would really choose to knowingly pay attention to a diseased girl? The chances of you doing so are higher in the notorious venues than in Monterrey, although some do slip through the cracks in Monterrey.

I have personally known several girls that have been found to have VD on the occasion of their health check, and they were fired from their jobs in the strip clubs. And, in their world, once they are fired from their jobs for having been found diseased, they can NEVER obtain a permit to work in the "industry" again...unless they do so under false pretenses of course.

In comparing the proximity of the clubs, in most of the notorious venues of the World, the clubs are literally stacked on top of each other, even more easily accessible than Monterrey. Comparatively, the Monterrey venue is spread out and much more difficult to navigate.

The notorious venues are actually like a mongering Disney Land. It's a total "no brainer." In Monterrey, you have to kind of know where to go (ie: Amigomio's map, buddies on the ground, this forum, PM's of advice, etc).

In the notorious venues, you can literally just show up, know nothing, and aimlessly stumble upon Meca without so much as any pre-preparation, and that includes hotel availability, etc...Compared to Monterrey, in the notorious venues, you can't help but fall into nirvana blindfolded.

See, we forget just how experienced we truly are with respect to Monterrey, and we take for granted all of the logistic advice at our fingertips through the forums. I think it's a comparatively difficult venue to navigate when comparing the notorious venues. I remember first arriving in Monterrey ten years ago, and were it not for Amigomio, his map, this forum, etc..., I would have been totally lost.

And, IMO, that is what I value these forums for, not as recommendations on girls, or revelations about the specific number of shots on goal, etc...but, for logistical recommendations in finding specifically where one can find the kind of experience one is looking for. I don't need to know the specifics of member's exploits. I need to know the overall conclusions about clubs, MPs, logistic data, etc...

If reports focus on logistics and upon the overall ratings of places concerning selection, types of girls, cost, strategy, etc...then that's what I'm looking for with respect to actually researching a venue. I can make my own decisions about specific girls once I get there. I pay no attention to specific recommendations about girls because it's always a matter of individual preferences anyway.

I realize, of course, that my own preferences are not what some may enjoy the forums for. I'm just saying that for me, it's not that I am not amused or entertained by some of the "shots on goal" stories, etc..., but, because of my time in the game, I'm more interested in the logistics and the strategy related posts.

In my opinion, for example, strategy is a much more important element to success in Monterrey, concerning my own personal enjoyment, than would be necessary in the notorious venues. I believe this is the case for the reasons previously articulated here about supply and demand, impoverished need versus mere wants, etc...

So, there we go...this forum has been so dead lately. This is food for thought and commentary. I invite all to respond. Lets get it going again. Winter is coming and we're gonna need something to entertain us when the weather turns cold.

Uno you started this so I'll add to it. You are correct about Monterrey being expensive to get to, the women are not bargains, and GFE is hard to find. But the things that Monterrey has going for it are the cabs are safe, which is rare, the areas of town where we go are safe to walk in. If you plan ahead the rooms are very reasonable. My favorite thing is the location of all those clubs within such a short distance of each other.

I'm sure there are plenty of venues all over the world that would be great to explore and eventually I will. But Monterrey is quick to get to, not prohibitively expensive, and hasn't disappointed me yet.

To sum it up, it may not be cheap, may not be the best, but it damn sure is user friendly.

Precocious One

09-27-09, 21:48

Precociuos, if you read Zoom's post, it wasn't exactly a TLN.

It was 3 hours.

That's hardly a TLN.

Hello Amigomio,

This is the fourth time that I am asking you to not comment on my posts. I think that it is best for the Monterrey forum that you continue to give your "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey and I will continue to give my "American" perspective of Monterrey without us having to interact. Others that read our posts can then come up with their own conclusions. I really want nothing to do with you.

Thanks.

PS

By the way, I am not doubting the fact that you need to pay $100.00($1335 pesos at today's exchange rate) for one hour of sex(post #1788 of this same thread). And that's unfortunate for you as some of us here pay far less. I believe that it is quite possible that there may be less "demand" for certain guys from the "supply" here in Monterrey and that is why some guys such as yourself need to pay more for sex. That truly is unfortunate but it is what it is.

From my personal experience and what I have read here, normal guys such as myself and recent visitors Zoom 21 and Marius 67 don't seem to have a problem with the supply of available women that provide GFE here in Monterrey for a reasonable price($700 pesos, $52.00 US at current exchange, for anywhere from 40 minutes to two hours).

And, fortunately for us, we do not have to pay $1335 pesos for an average of one hour of sex.

MonterreyDude

09-27-09, 22:40

Excuse me Precocious.

Are you ordering me something?

Cause this is not your Forum either.

And I was pointing you out that 3 hours is not a Toda la Noche.

And this is not from the "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey.
This is from the UNIVERSAL perspective that a Toda la Noche involves the girl staying with the monger all night, going to sleep with him, waking up after sun break, and maybe after a morning quickie, leave.

A Toda la Noche will range for any monger, be it in the "Mexican" perspective, "American" or "European", in the 3000 - 5000 pesos, IF you can find it.
Cause it's HARD to get it in Monterrey.

Toda la Noche is what El Cabron has had, Mr L, Unspongebob, and several other mongers I have met via this forum. And their's is the "Amercian" perspective of Toda la Noche.

Not mine.

Hello Amigomio,

This is the fourth time that I am asking you to not comment on my posts. I think that it is best for the Monterrey forum that you continue to give your "Mexican" perspective of Monterrey and I will continue to give my "American" perspective of Monterrey without interaction. Others that read our posts can then come up with their own conclusions. I really want nothing to do with you.

Thanks.

PS

By the way, I am not doubting the fact that you need to pay $100($1335 pesos at todays exchange rate) for one hour of sex(post #1788 of this same thread). And that's unfortunate for you as some of us here pay far less. I believe that it is quite possible that there may be less "demand" for certain guys from the "supply" here in Monterrey and that is why some guys such as yourself need to pay more. That truly is unfortunate but it is what it is.

From my personal experience and what I read here, normal guys such as myself and recent visitors Zoom 21 and Marius 67 don't seem to have a problem with the supply of available women that provide GFE here in Monterrey for a reasonable price($700 pesos, or $52.00 US at current exchange, for anywhere from 40 minutes to two hours).

And, fortunately for us, we do not have to pay $1335 pesos for an average of one hour of sex.

Precocious One

09-27-09, 22:52

Precocious One

09-27-09, 23:01

Member #3453

09-28-09, 01:43

Posting here opens you up to differing opinions. If you write something, expect to be commented upon. If you disagree with the rebuttal, than how about articulating your points of view with intelligent, well developed reasoning, and leave out the insults. And, by the way, before I am accused of targeting any one individual, the word "you" is being utilized in the general sense.

Any of us that can not read politely written, differing points of view, without responding with insults, should just refrain from commenting to begin with. It is a violation of the rules to insult others, and there should be swift and immediate consequences. If you have a different point of view, or you want to express your disagreement, then fine. But, why all the personal attacks?

So, to comment further...

Amigomio is not raining on anyone's parade concerning the definition of todo la noche. He merely pointed out that distinction to characterize the difference between Colombia, where todo la noche is todo la noche, and where one of the other poster's has significant experience, versus Monterrey.

I agree with Amigomio's goal, to help clarify what to expect within the context of a visitor's return to Monterrey. Girls DO NOT, as a general practice, offer todo la noche in Monterrey, period, certainly not for 1000 pesos. Where's the harm in pointing out that distinction?

The bottom line is, we are free to comment, and will do so when commentary is made on the site, regardless of who is making the commentary, responding with our opinions, and offering our perspectives, right along with everybody else.

We are not, ourselves, free to restrict the commentary of others, not even if we ourselves request that someone not comment on our posts. That's simply not the way it works.

If someone has a justifiable grievance, then it is addressable with Jackson. And, nobody, other than Jackson himself, will restrict us from making polite commentary in accordance with the published rules of this site, and even he, Jackson, is ethically bound by his own rules of engagement.

And, if any of us should get out of line with our comments, that person deserves to pay the ultimate price, and should, as some previously have. For my part, I resolve to make polite comments, and to offer my opinions in accordance with the rules of the site. But, they will always be comments based on all the postings of all the other contributors here.

If not, what good is it, other than to be reading one dominant individual's means by which to grandstand one and only one dictatorial opinion. And, so as not to be wrongfully and mistakenly accused of targeting anyone in particular, I am referring to "one dominant individual" in the theoretical, generic sense, and not as a specific reference to any one person.

Domination is not defined as the number, length, or range of comments offered. No, that is "participation." Domination is a blatant desire to restrict the commentary of others, and to rule the bandwidth through intimidation, insults, back biting, etc..., and to have little tolerance for the differing commentary or participation from others.

We need diversity of opinion, and a full range of commentary to glean the very best knowledge and range of perspective from the site that we can. Plus, it's more entertaining, and significantly more interesting, if others feel that they can post here unmolested as long as they make polite commentary.

Member #3453

09-28-09, 07:51

With respect to Strip Clubs...the overall average cost is set not only by the individual girls, but also by the clubs. The salida costs vary anywhere from 350 pesos to 850 pesos for 1.5 - 2 hours. The salida prices can escalate even higher if you have GRINGO written across your forehead, and permit the bar to get away with charging you more.

Most girls charge between 600 pesos and 2000 pesos, depending on the girl and depending on her own self perceived worth. Truth is, I have had girls that cost me as little as 500 pesos that met me after their shifts, no bar fine, that were significantly more charming and enjoyable than the ones that cost 2000 pesos, and had a 1000 peso bar fine.

There are some girls that quote 5000 pesos. Personally, I wouldn't pay 5000 pesos to see Winged Pegasus. But, some girls think they're the sixth wonder of the world. Anyway, we're talking averages here, so...

The main difference in cost between the cost of girls in strip clubs versus MPs, is that you do not pay bar fines at MPs. The extra 350 to 850 pesos is not assessed at an MP like it is at the strip club in order to compensate the bar for opportunity cost lost when you take their employee out of commission for 1.5-2 hours. In addition, the cost is less because the time spent is typically less, between 45 minutes to one hour, tops, in an MP, versus 1.5-2 hours in a strip club salida.

As for todo la noche, it is almost unheard of on the Strip Club level, and never heard of on the MP level. The reality is, if you pay a salida to the bar, the bar demands that the girl return in the prescribed time. Most girls adhere to the prescribed time because their bosses demand it. So, even if a girl wanted to stay todo la noche, the likelihood is very remote that they would do so, because the boss says "be back here in no more than 2 hours or else."

If a girl stays todo la noche, you have caught her at the end of her shift, and she is putting the financial icing on the cake after having earned her full salary in the bar for the night, and she is off the clock.

However, it's very rare for a girl to stay todo la noche in Monterrey also because so many of them have kids. Most want to cut out asap so they can return home to their children. 95% of them will hold you to 2 hours even if you happened to meet them after their shift.

Now, if you can, through your own individual effort, convince her to stay longer, assuming you want her to stay longer, then your ahead, or not. Frankly, I know just as many guys that want them to leave sooner than later.

I've had them stay all night for 500 pesos, plus a 350 peso bar fine. I've had them leave with me after their shifts in the bar, stay todo la noche, and no bar fine. I've had them stay for 2 hours, 350 pesos for the bar fine, and 1000 pesos for the girl. If you live in or frequent Monterrey, you can do better if the stars are all in alignment.

However, for the one-time or infrequent visitor, 1350 pesos is the average cost for girl + bar fine, if you take them out of one of the lower end bars. Prices escalate from there in the medium to higher priced bars, mostly because the bar fine itself is higher.

Most girls in Monterrey will go for 1000 pesos for 2 hours regardless of whether they work in a lower end or medium level bar, and most girls working in the higher end bars are quite expensive in comparison, some charging 2000-3000 pesos. And, some maniacs are actually quoting as high as 5000 pesos.

In the MPs, the price is fixed, and there is no expertise at negotiation, no charm required whatsoever to achieve a better price. If they're offering an improved price, they're offering it to everybody. If you are a one-time or infrequent visitor to the MPs, it's more likely that you will be up-charged for anything and everything they can think of, removal of tops, kissing, BBBJ, etc...

In contrast, I have never been extorted with up charges by a strip club girl on salida, not even the worst of the lot.

MonterreyDude

09-28-09, 17:08

I think 850 pesos is low compared to other clubs.

There are clubs that quote higher salida rates, like Harem is now quoting 1000 pesos as a barfine.

And Poisson is quoting 2000 pesos barfine.

They do this, of course, so everything is done the in-call way so the House gets all the money.

And yes, MPs do not offer out-calls, but there are exceptions of high class "casa de citas" like Misses and Models that offer both in-call and out-call.
But we are talking here 1,500-2000 pesos just for one hour, in-call.

Out-call is another story.

With respect to Strip Clubs...the overall average cost is set not only by the individual girls, but also by the clubs. The salida costs vary anywhere from 350 pesos to 850 pesos for 1.5 - 2 hours. The salida prices can escalate even higher if you have GRINGO written across your forehead, and permit the bar to get away with charging you more.

Most girls charge between 600 pesos and 2000 pesos, depending on the girl and depending on her own self perceived worth. Truth is, I have had girls that cost me as little as 500 pesos that met me after their shifts, no bar fine, that were significantly more charming and enjoyable than the ones that cost 2000 pesos, and had a 1000 peso bar fine.

There are some girls that quote 5000 pesos. Personally, I wouldn't pay 5000 pesos to see Winged Pegasus. But, some girls think they're the sixth wonder of the world. Anyway, we're talking averages here, so...

The main difference in cost between the cost of girls in strip clubs versus MPs, is that you do not pay bar fines at MPs. The extra 350 to 850 pesos is not assessed at an MP like it is at the strip club in order to compensate the bar for opportunity cost lost when you take their employee out of commission for 1.5-2 hours. In addition, the cost is less because the time spent is typically less, between 45 minutes to one hour, tops, in an MP, versus 1.5-2 hours in a strip club salida.

As for todo la noche, it is almost unheard of on the Strip Club level, and never heard of on the MP level. The reality is, if you pay a salida to the bar, the bar demands that the girl return in the prescribed time. Most girls adhere to the prescribed time because their bosses demand it. So, even if a girl wanted to stay todo la noche, the likelihood is very remote that they would do so, because the boss says "be back here in no more than 2 hours or else."

If a girl stays todo la noche, you have caught her at the end of her shift, and she is putting the financial icing on the cake after having earned her full salary in the bar for the night, and she is off the clock.

However, it's very rare for a girl to stay todo la noche in Monterrey also because so many of them have kids. Most want to cut out asap so they can return home to their children. 95% of them will hold you to 2 hours even if you happened to meet them after their shift.

Now, if you can, through your own individual effort, convince her to stay longer, assuming you want her to stay longer, then your ahead, or not. Frankly, I know just as many guys that want them to leave sooner than later.

I've had them stay all night for 500 pesos, plus a 350 peso bar fine. I've had them leave with me after their shifts in the bar, stay todo la noche, and no bar fine. I've had them stay for 2 hours, 350 pesos for the bar fine, and 1000 pesos for the girl. If you live in or frequent Monterrey, you can do better if the stars are all in alignment.

However, for the one-time or infrequent visitor, 1350 pesos is the average cost for girl + bar fine, if you take them out of one of the lower end bars. Prices escalate from there in the medium to higher priced bars, mostly because the bar fine itself is higher.

Most girls in Monterrey will go for 1000 pesos for 2 hours regardless of whether they work in a lower end or medium level bar, and most girls working in the higher end bars are quite expensive in comparison, some charging 2000-3000 pesos. And, some maniacs are actually quoting as high as 5000 pesos.

In the MPs, the price is fixed, and there is no expertise at negotiation, no charm required whatsoever to achieve a better price. If they're offering an improved price, they're offering it to everybody. If you are a one-time or infrequent visitor to the MPs, it's more likely that you will be up-charged for anything and everything they can think of, removal of tops, kissing, BBBJ, etc...

In contrast, I have never been extorted with up charges by a strip club girl on salida, not even the worst of the lot.

Member #3453

09-28-09, 19:54

Yeah, I was shocked recently to hear that Bahamas is charging 1000 pesos for a bar fine...MUST I reiterate....BAHAMAS! You add another 1000 pesos for the girl, and your getting up there.

And, because of the house increasing the bar fines lately, it seems that the girls are sometimes feeling the pinch, offering their services at a slightly lower rate to make up for the increase in bar fine, they realizing that they will never get "out" if they don't balance out the damages somehow.

And, lets not forget that services are also offered on-site at most of the clubs. I remember asking recently at Pasarelas, and being told it was something like 850 pesos for a half hour of full service there. 850 PESOS? For Pasarelas??? Truth is, several places have recently quoted on site services to me, and I just tune them out after hearing the numbers...completely forgetting even what was specifically said so as not to clutter my mind with such drivel.

And get this, when a financial "crisis" strikes, the clubs do not seem to adopt a business model of lowering prices to attract more paying clients, thereby increasing cash flow. No, the clubs have an opposite strategy, one that I have never quite been able to understand, but they do it anyway. That's right, they raise the prices with this delusional expectation that they will make up profitability on what paying clients they do still have coming in by fleecing as many as will tolerate it.

Personally, it may be the case that prices are going down in the MPs...I don't know. I swore them off a long time ago. But, generally speaking, I am seeing a slight trend up, not down, with respect to salida costs in the strip clubs, and it mostly has to do with bar fine costs. But, even as there are some girls coming off price to make up the difference, there are just as many quoting higher prices than one might expect to pay just two years ago.

So, if you take the strip clubs out of the mix, and all you have left are the MPs, whether they be high end, low end, mid level...doesn't matter. Believe me, compared to the notorious venues of the World, they are a huge disappointment on ALL FRONTS! Quality of selection, lack of todo la noche, bait and switch tactics, time being cut short, up-sell extortionistic tactics, high price in comparison for literally a 20th of the time, etc...

Believe me, anybody that has frequented the notorious venues of the World would be totally and completely appalled being limited to only the services found in the MPs of Monterrey, and the strip clubs are not much better in comparison. We that frequent Monterrey do so because of logistics, primarily. Some is better than none, and NONE is the USA. So...

Not trying to start a fight, but anybody that's been around will tell you the same thing. So, when guys indicate that they are coming to Monterrey, and they have knowledge of the more notorious venues, I don't want them pointing a finger at my post and thinking that I was full of BS in recommending they're going to be having a great time in comparison to what they're used to.

It simply does not compare, and I would feel disingenuous in recommending to them otherwise. I prefer to set them up for realistic expectations so they can come and enjoy what Monterrey does have to offer without feeling they were led down some prim rose path by my comments.

I think 850 pesos is low compared to other clubs.

There are clubs that quote higher salida rates, like Harem is now quoting 1000 pesos as a barfine.

And Poisson is quoting 2000 pesos barfine.

They do this, of course, so everything is done the in-call way so the House gets all the money.

And yes, MPs do not offer out-calls, but there are exceptions of high class "casa de citas" like Misses and Models that offer both in-call and out-call.
But we are talking here 1,500-2000 pesos just for one hour, in-call.

Out-call is another story.

MonterreyDude

09-29-09, 05:48

USB says: "a financial crisis".

Let me point out that this crisis is not ours.
It does not originate within Mexican boundaries.

It is the US of A 100%

If someone is really going to get the blunt of crisis is the US, not us.

We were screwed long time ago back in 1994 when we had our credit bubble blow on us.

And we came out of that one pretty clean. You know why? Because real estate does NOT go down in Mexico.
Crisis or no crisis it never goes down, so the value just keeps going up.

Even when talking of homes and buldings that might be 10, 20 years old.

So this time the US is getting the short end of the stick, not us.

Of course many workers have lost their jobs here in Mexico, but last time the companies just shut down and dissapeared.
Right now they are there, waiting to jump into the coat tails when the US starts to go up again.
Like for example, GM is expanding operations thanks to the "clunkers" rebate in the US.
Car sales are better over there, jobs are starting to go up in Mexico.

In the meanwhile, the clubs are going full steam ahead.
We as regular folk are still going to the US for shopping.
Laredo, The Rio Grande Valley, specially McAllen, Texas and South Padre Island would be dead if not for us during this crisis even with a 20% depreciation of the Peso Vs the Dollar.

But no USB, sorry to tell you, no financial crisis in Mexico this time around.

Blame the US for your troubles... yeah, us too, we are blaming the US for our problems.

Yeah, I was shocked recently to hear that Bahamas is charging 1000 pesos for a bar fine...MUST I reiterate....BAHAMAS! You add another 1000 pesos for the girl, and your getting up there.

And, because of the house increasing the bar fines lately, it seems that the girls are sometimes feeling the pinch, offering their services at a slightly lower rate to make up for the increase in bar fine, they realizing that they will never get "out" if they don't balance out the damages somehow.

And, lets not forget that services are also offered on-site at most of the clubs. I remember asking recently at Pasarelas, and being told it was something like 850 pesos for a half hour of full service there. 850 PESOS? For Pasarelas??? Truth is, several places have recently quoted on site services to me, and I just tune them out after hearing the numbers...completely forgetting even what was specifically said so as not to clutter my mind with such drivel.

And get this, when a financial "crisis" strikes, the clubs do not seem to adopt a business model of lowering prices to attract more paying clients, thereby increasing cash flow. No, the clubs have an opposite strategy, one that I have never quite been able to understand, but they do it anyway. That's right, they raise the prices with this delusional expectation that they will make up profitability on what paying clients they do still have coming in by fleecing as many as will tolerate it.

Personally, it may be the case that prices are going down in the MPs...I don't know. I swore them off a long time ago. But, generally speaking, I am seeing a slight trend up, not down, with respect to salida costs in the strip clubs, and it mostly has to do with bar fine costs. But, even as there are some girls coming off price to make up the difference, there are just as many quoting higher prices than one might expect to pay just two years ago.

So, if you take the strip clubs out of the mix, and all you have left are the MPs, whether they be high end, low end, mid level...doesn't matter. Believe me, compared to the notorious venues of the World, they are a huge disappointment on ALL FRONTS! Quality of selection, lack of todo la noche, bait and switch tactics, time being cut short, up-sell extortionistic tactics, high price in comparison for literally a 20th of the time, etc...

Believe me, anybody that has frequented the notorious venues of the World would be totally and completely appalled being limited to only the services found in the MPs of Monterrey, and the strip clubs are not much better in comparison. We that frequent Monterrey do so because of logistics, primarily. Some is better than none, and NONE is the USA. So...

Not trying to start a fight, but anybody that's been around will tell you the same thing. So, when guys indicate that they are coming to Monterrey, and they have knowledge of the more notorious venues, I don't want them pointing a finger at my post and thinking that I was full of BS in recommending they're going to be having a great time in comparison to what they're used to.

It simply does not compare, and I would feel disingenuous in recommending to them otherwise. I prefer to set them up for realistic expectations so they can come and enjoy what Monterrey does have to offer without feeling they were led down some prim rose path by my comments.

Member #3453

09-29-09, 13:09

well, we disagree as to whether there is a worldwide financial crisis that effects mexico or not. truth is the financial "crisis" is worldwide, and does effect mexico.

if you're saying that the effect of the us financial crisis has an effect on the worldwide economy, then i agree with that. but, to say that mexico has no affects from the us crisis is not accurate.

i have conducted a highly scientific poll...a poll of bar girls, all of them harvard graduates, they graduating magnum .357 "cum loud hey," and they all tell me that they're experiencing the mexico "crisis" on their level. they all tell me how their business is way down. we all know that the majority of their business is derived from mexicanos, not norte americanos. so, according to each and every one of the girls i talk to, their business is noticeably down, and they are enduring the effects of their own crisis. i may have mis-characterized mexico's current economic decline as a "crisis" per se, but mexico is still feeling a powerful recession none the less.

so, if your real estate industry is still strong, then that's a bright spot. in my particular area of the us, the real estate prices for most properties are not down by huge amounts compared to florida, nevada, california, etc...so, not every part of the us is so economically devastated with respect to real estate values dropping as some other parts of the country.

interestingly, in the us, you can not build a home for significantly less than what you might have expected to pay for it several years ago. so, in my opinion, the real estate "crisis" is an over correction brought on by a confidence failure in the overall us economy. so, assuming that the real estate values are actually devalued right now, their true value is not currently reflected, just as their true value was not accurately reflected prior to the us economic crisis occurring.

and, lets face it, our us real estate values were hugely inflated before, and perhaps real estate values in mexico were not over the course of the last several years, thereby avoiding a huge adjustment of values in mexico, and avoiding a real estate crisis in mexico as compared to the usa.

each of our industries can be analyzed separately, and should be, in order to know the true extent of the "crisis" for each. but, in my own industry, there most certainly is a "crisis." and, mine is a huge part of the us economy, with many businesses are off as much as 50% compared to two years ago.

but to the disagreement at hand...when i talk to my mexico counterparts within my same industry, they tell me that they are experiencing as sharp a decline in revenues as their us counterparts. these are mexican nationals i'm dealing with, residents of monterrey, with businesses that are based in mexico, mostly selling to other mexican based businesses, owned in large part by mexicanos.

the bright spot for visitors from the usa is that we get a lot more mexican pesos for our us dollars these days. this seemed to coincidentally occur just during the last year or so, and coincidentally, just as the decline in economic activity began, during the "crisis," which amigomio says does not exist in mexico. that suggests that there is something financial going on in mexico compared to two years ago, thankfully. better to be in it together, yes? :-)

in china, literally, by far the most wildly expanding economy in the world, energy consumption is significantly down, and the chinese are feeling huge declines in economic activity within their manufacturing sector.

so, see, there is a worldwide financial crisis, and it does effect everyone, including mexico.

now, granted, these effects may be the cause of the crooked bastards in the us banking industry fleecing not only the people of the us but also economic investors worldwide, and the us governments complicit behavior over the last few years in not properly regulating what i perceive as illegal and unethical activities perpetrated by those sobs. but, regardless of who caused it, it still has a huge effect on the entire worldwide economy.

once that domino starts to fall, the entire world falls with it, including mexico. actually, especially mexico, which is so closely tied to the us economy.

just as obama, ,whose policies i am for the most part significantly opposed to concerning fiscal responsibility, said in a speech to the united nations recently..."other nations of the world can no longer castigate the u.s. as a go-it-alone bully while still demanding it cure all ills." probably one of the the only things i agree with him on.

it is always the fault of the usa, but the usa is the first country every other country calls upon for help in times of trouble, and gets it. the usa never gets the credit for what good it does do, good that far out weighs the negative. the usa only gets the blame for causing all the world's problems, or not doing even more than it already does, while already exceeding every other nations efforts by a huge margin, every time, all the while as other countries are virtually silent or hiding from their responsibilities. the world's only superpower will always be the easiest target. i am curious were the country of china to assume that similar distinction some day, whether the countries of the world would rely so heavily upon it for help, or whether fear would replace the animosity of attitudes endured by the usa from other countries for its unappreciated benevolence these days.

see, amigomio and i disagree all the time. but, people can remain friends and disagree. disagreement is not disrespect.

usb says: "a financial crisis".

let me point out that this crisis is not ours.
it does not originate within mexican boundaries.

it is the us of a 100%

if someone is really going to get the blunt of crisis is the us, not us.

we were screwed long time ago back in 1994 when we had our credit bubble blow on us.

and we came out of that one pretty clean. you know why? because real estate does not go down in mexico.
crisis or no crisis it never goes down, so the value just keeps going up.

even when talking of homes and buldings that might be 10, 20 years old.

so this time the us is getting the short end of the stick, not us.

of course many workers have lost their jobs here in mexico, but last time the companies just shut down and dissapeared.
right now they are there, waiting to jump into the coat tails when the us starts to go up again.
like for example, gm is expanding operations thanks to the "clunkers" rebate in the us.
car sales are better over there, jobs are starting to go up in mexico.

in the meanwhile, the clubs are going full steam ahead.
we as regular folk are still going to the us for shopping.
laredo, the rio grande valley, specially mcallen, texas and south padre island would be dead if not for us during this crisis even with a 20% depreciation of the peso vs the dollar.

but no usb, sorry to tell you, no financial crisis in mexico this time around.

blame the us for your troubles... yeah, us too, we are blaming the us for our problems.

MonterreyDude

09-29-09, 16:58

one problem with my friend usb is that he believes everything the club girls tell him.

i never pay attention to them... i hear, but it comes in one side, and out the other.

besides, business is bad as long as it is bad to that specific girl or girl in turn.
that has always been their eternal lament.

come on! look at infinito expanding to a 3 ring circus, and hell, it is always full... and we are talking working class patrons here.

tangalay? partenon????

right now, it is business as always with it's regular cycles.
everytime that september comes, as it always do, it changes the face of the clubs.

come september, girls that worked from january thru summer, might have to change their working habits at the clubs or stop them at all due to their school agenda.

it has always been like that: september thru october-november, some clubs will feel the blunt of the girls leaving, none coming in and clients stop going cause they have to adapt their children school schedule.

besides a severe cataclysim happened en august that hurt the business horribly, worse than any crisis.

total smoking ban everywhere.

usb wasn't here when that happened. clubs like prestige, obsession that have an afternoon shift were deserted, devoid of customers.

night shift clubs like harem, pasarelas and casino had atendency drop 80%.

it's all in a state of recup, but this is weird because clubs like prestige, harem are not working class clubs, the customers are middle up caste, so they are not used to taking orders (not even a law) that orders them to forget doing what they consider an act of pleasure (yes smoking).
so they stop going in protest.

working class clubs, like partenon, tangalay, infinito, it's the opposite. their patrons are used to taking orders, so they obeyed the no smoking ban without a tweet.

anyway, and i have always told usb this, a club is good for him if he finds the girls he likes, which is wrong.
he never sees a club with objective taste, cause his tastes are different from the local patrons.

and crisis-wise usb didn't get the point.

this time in mexico, guys with money did not get hurt.
they still have the money.
there is still business in hold, waiting to pick up.
usb doesn't get this part cause it's the first time the us get caught in a crisis this big.
he sees it as "worldwide", yes, but started by the us. it didn't come out of the blue all over the world.

this time everyone got hurt in the us, even the rich and famous and it's going to leave some deep, deep scars in the american society.

look at some of the effects it has done: a highly publisized news bit where women are going to work at the cathouses of nevada cause either they have no jobs or they lost them.

the news carring this means that the spillover is so big that it's noticable.
yes, it's to obvious: american woman more than ever are turning into prostitution to get money to survive.

i remember the news bit, the girl says "i will be here for 6 months till things estabilize and then i'll look for normal work"

yeah, right... where have i heard that before?
here at the clubs and those girls are still working there.

again, in the us, poverty will be more noticable, and the definition of "rich" will change.
you will no longer admire the "true rich", you will scoff at them and blame them of the faliure of the us, making them isolate themselves from society and only move around with heavy armed escorts and bodyguards.

just wait a couple of years and you'll understand.

well, we disagree as to whether there is a worldwide financial crisis that effects mexico or not. truth is the financial "crisis" is worldwide, and does effect mexico.

if you're saying that the effect of the us financial crisis has an effect on the worldwide economy, then i agree with that. but, to say that mexico has no affects from the us crisis is not accurate.

i have conducted a highly scientific poll...a poll of bar girls, all of them harvard graduates, they graduating magnum .357 "cum loud hey," and they all tell me that they're experiencing the mexico "crisis" on their level. they all tell me how their business is way down. we all know that the majority of their business is derived from mexicanos, not norte americanos. so, according to each and every one of the girls i talk to, their business is noticeably down, and they are enduring the effects of their own crisis. i may have mis-characterized mexico's current economic decline as a "crisis" per se, but mexico is still feeling a powerful recession none the less.

so, if your real estate industry is still strong, then that's a bright spot. in my particular area of the us, the real estate prices for most properties are not down by huge amounts compared to florida, nevada, california, etc...so, not every part of the us is so economically devastated with respect to real estate values dropping as some other parts of the country.

interestingly, in the us, you can not build a home for significantly less than what you might have expected to pay for it several years ago. so, in my opinion, the real estate "crisis" is an over correction brought on by a confidence failure in the overall us economy. so, assuming that the real estate values are actually devalued right now, their true value is not currently reflected, just as their true value was not accurately reflected prior to the us economic crisis occurring.

and, lets face it, our us real estate values were hugely inflated before, and perhaps real estate values in mexico were not over the course of the last several years, thereby avoiding a huge adjustment of values in mexico, and avoiding a real estate crisis in mexico as compared to the usa.

each of our industries can be analyzed separately, and should be, in order to know the true extent of the "crisis" for each. but, in my own industry, there most certainly is a "crisis." and, mine is a huge part of the us economy, with many businesses are off as much as 50% compared to two years ago.

but to the disagreement at hand...when i talk to my mexico counterparts within my same industry, they tell me that they are experiencing as sharp a decline in revenues as their us counterparts. these are mexican nationals i'm dealing with, residents of monterrey, with businesses that are based in mexico, mostly selling to other mexican based businesses, owned in large part by mexicanos.

the bright spot for visitors from the usa is that we get a lot more mexican pesos for our us dollars these days. this seemed to coincidentally occur just during the last year or so, and coincidentally, just as the decline in economic activity began, during the "crisis," which amigomio says does not exist in mexico. that suggests that there is something financial going on in mexico compared to two years ago, thankfully. better to be in it together, yes? :-)

in china, literally, by far the most wildly expanding economy in the world, energy consumption is significantly down, and the chinese are feeling huge declines in economic activity within their manufacturing sector.

so, see, there is a worldwide financial crisis, and it does effect everyone, including mexico.

now, granted, these effects may be the cause of the crooked bastards in the us banking industry fleecing not only the people of the us but also economic investors worldwide, and the us governments complicit behavior over the last few years in not properly regulating what i perceive as illegal and unethical activities perpetrated by those sobs. but, regardless of who caused it, it still has a huge effect on the entire worldwide economy.

once that domino starts to fall, the entire world falls with it, including mexico. actually, especially mexico, which is so closely tied to the us economy.

just as obama, ,whose policies i am for the most part significantly opposed to concerning fiscal responsibility, said in a speech to the united nations recently..."other nations of the world can no longer castigate the u.s. as a go-it-alone bully while still demanding it cure all ills." probably one of the the only things i agree with him on.

it is always the fault of the usa, but the usa is the first country every other country calls upon for help in times of trouble, and gets it. the usa never gets the credit for what good it does do, good that far out weighs the negative. the usa only gets the blame for causing all the world's problems, or not doing even more than it already does, while already exceeding every other nations efforts by a huge margin, every time, all the while as other countries are virtually silent or hiding from their responsibilities. the world's only superpower will always be the easiest target. i am curious were the country of china to assume that similar distinction some day, whether the countries of the world would rely so heavily upon it for help, or whether fear would replace the animosity of attitudes endured by the usa from other countries for its unappreciated benevolence these days.

see, amigomio and i disagree all the time. but, people can remain friends and disagree. disagreement is not disrespect.

Member #3453

09-29-09, 20:06

Well, the thing you're not considering is that the entire third stage at El Infinito is the former stage of Givenchi. And, El Infinito owns the building, so it cost them nothing to knock out a wall.

They have so many extra waiters, just on the Infinito side, that they did not need any new additional personnel to staff the old Givenchi "space."

So, the reality is, any additional business being realized at El Infinito is merely taking up of the huge void left by two closed Givenchis, one of which was becoming quite busy in its formative months of operation, which would have been prior to the "crisis."

I think that El Infinito is the model of success for all clubs in its category to follow. Some clubs are going in that direction, and becoming more successful as a result, ie: Parthenon. It is the success of their business plan that makes them successful, so they are busy in down times. But, not all clubs in Monterrey are flourishing.

The economy in Mexico is not expanding, but contracting as the World turns from Mexico to China for goods and services.

If you were to statistically poll all the clubs in the city, I suspect there is an average decline in business overall compared to two years ago. You can't single out just El Infinito and assume that all are doing as well as they did two years ago. El Infinito is "THE" success story in Monterrey. They are to be congratulated on implementing a successful business plan, but it has little to do with the Mexican economy.

And, yes, there will always be "The Rich" Worldwide. But, even the rich are seeing massive declines in their fortunes, and that includes the majority of the rich in Mexico. Now, certainly, it does not impact their life styles, but it is having an effect, which can be partially observed in an escalating unemployment rate, not only in Mexico, but across the World, including the USA.

As for many more women going to work in the "life" right here in the USA. It would certainly be refreshing to have such a scenario available everywhere in the USA, and at similiar prices to Mexico. But, to have more of them in Nevada...well, it's meaningless to me. Costs as much to fly to Nevada as to Mexico. Besides, whom among us wants a Gringa anyway.

Monterrey style fun in the USA???? Nawww, never happen :-( Stop taunting us :-)

One problem with my friend USB is that he believes everything the club girls tell him.

I never pay attention to them... I hear, but it comes in one side, and out the other.

Besides, business is bad as long as it is bad to that specific girl or girl in turn.
That has always been their eternal lament.

Come on! Look at Infinito expanding to a 3 ring circus, and hell, it is always full... and we are talking working class patrons here.

Tangalay? Partenon????

Right now, it is business as always with it's regular cycles.
Everytime that September comes, as it always do, it changes the face of the clubs.

Come September, girls that worked from January thru summer, might have to change their working habits at the clubs or stop them at all due to their school agenda.

It has always been like that: September thru October-November, some clubs will feel the blunt of the girls leaving, none coming in and clients stop going cause they have to adapt their children school schedule.

Besides a severe cataclysim happened en August that hurt the business horribly, worse than any crisis.

Total smoking ban everywhere.

USB wasn't here when that happened. Clubs like Prestige, Obsession that have an afternoon shift were deserted, devoid of customers.

Night shift clubs like Harem, Pasarelas and Casino had atendency drop 80%.

It's all in a state of recup, but this is weird because clubs like Prestige, Harem are not working class clubs, the customers are middle up caste, so they are not used to taking orders (not even a law) that orders them to forget doing what they consider an act of pleasure (yes smoking).
So they stop going in protest.

Working class clubs, like Partenon, Tangalay, Infinito, it's the opposite. Their patrons are used to taking orders, so they obeyed the no smoking ban without a tweet.

Anyway, and I have always told USB this, a club is good for him if he finds the girls he likes, which is wrong.
He never sees a club with objective taste, cause his tastes are different from the local patrons.

And crisis-wise USB didn't get the point.

This time in Mexico, guys with money did not get hurt.
They still have the money.
There is still business in hold, waiting to pick up.
USB doesn't get this part cause it's the first time the US get caught in a crisis this big.
He sees it as "worldwide", yes, but started by the US. It didn't come out of the blue all over the world.

This time everyone got hurt in the US, even the rich and famous and it's going to leave some deep, deep scars in the American society.

Look at some of the effects it has done: A highly publisized news bit where women are going to work at the cathouses of Nevada cause either they have no jobs or they lost them.

The news carring this means that the spillover is so big that it's noticable.
Yes, it's to obvious: American woman more than ever are turning into prostitution to get money to survive.

I remember the news bit, the girl says "I will be here for 6 months till things estabilize and then I'll look for normal work"

Yeah, right... where have I heard that before?
Here at the clubs and those girls are still working there.

Again, in the US, poverty will be more noticable, and the definition of "rich" will change.
You will no longer admire the "true rich", you will scoff at them and blame them of the faliure of the US, making them isolate themselves from society and only move around with heavy armed escorts and bodyguards.

Just wait a couple of years and you'll understand.

MonterreyDude

09-29-09, 20:48

"But, even the rich are seeing massive declines in their fortunes, and that includes the majority of the rich in Mexico"

Nonononononono!!!!

You are so wrong here.
Don't mix oil and water here.

There are the "rich" and the RICH.

You are mixing the people that make a fortune based on comercial enterprises, so called succes stories AND the guys that are just plain totally rich.

They are the ones that get rich during an economic bonanza and the same that still are rich during an economic downturn and will get richer when everything goes up.

For example, in Mexico we have the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim owner of the monopoly Telmex, so rich, he has the power not to appear in Forbes Magazine.
He appeared one year on the top and the next he's off the list.

How he did that? Because he has the money to do it.

No my friend.

In Mexico, contrarty to the US, many of the monopolistic companies are owned by one person, no board of directors, no CEO, no nothing,
Plain fat owner.

Of those, we have said Carlos Slim, Ricardo Salinas Pliego that owns TV Azteca and Emilio Azcarraga that owns Televisa.

Those guys are getting richer by the second, but losing pesos from their fortunes???
Never.

The US has lost those kind of rich guys.
The guys on Forbes are rich cause they get a high salary, high commisions, and net worth of a company that depends on many factors.

In Mexico, they control those factors... they OWN the factors.

Don't mix the rich with the RICH.
Those, the RICH, you don't hear or see them at all.

Well, the thing you're not considering is that the entire third stage at El Infinito is the former stage of Givenchi. And, El Infinito owns the building, so it cost them nothing to knock out a wall.

They have so many extra waiters, just on the Infinito side, that they did not need any new additional personnel to staff the old Givenchi "space."

So, the reality is, any additional business being realized at El Infinito is merely taking up of the huge void left by two closed Givenchis, one of which was becoming quite busy in its formative months of operation, which would have been prior to the "crisis."

I think that El Infinito is the model of success for all clubs in its category to follow. Some clubs are going in that direction, and becoming more successful as a result, ie: Parthenon. It is the success of their business plan that makes them successful, so they are busy in down times. But, not all clubs in Monterrey are flourishing.

The economy in Mexico is not expanding, but contracting as the World turns from Mexico to China for goods and services.

If you were to statistically poll all the clubs in the city, I suspect there is an average decline in business overall compared to two years ago. You can't single out just El Infinito and assume that all are doing as well as they did two years ago. El Infinito is "THE" success story in Monterrey. They are to be congratulated on implementing a successful business plan, but it has little to do with the Mexican economy.

And, yes, there will always be "The Rich" Worldwide. But, even the rich are seeing massive declines in their fortunes, and that includes the majority of the rich in Mexico. Now, certainly, it does not impact their life styles, but it is having an effect, which can be partially observed in an escalating unemployment rate, not only in Mexico, but across the World, including the USA.

As for many more women going to work in the "life" right here in the USA. It would certainly be refreshing to have such a scenario available everywhere in the USA, and at similiar prices to Mexico. But, to have more of them in Nevada...well, it's meaningless to me. Costs as much to fly to Nevada as to Mexico. Besides, whom among us wants a Gringa anyway.

Monterrey style fun in the USA???? Nawww, never happen :-( Stop taunting us :-)

Sound7

09-29-09, 22:43

It is a cycle that started with NAFTA , USA to Mexico in the early 1990's. China has been a shaker and mover since reclaiming Hong Kong. China has strong parternership relationship with Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran and many others. Lowest cost producer to a world producer.
China has shifted production to Vietnam, Cambodia and Loas.

Vincent Fox the past President of Mexico saw the trend and noted Mexico is no match to China in labor, material and skill.

Now American's notice China. A real red Dragon.
US owes China three tillion dollars plus interest. Amount that is growing.

Warren Buffett or Bill Gates is no match for the Mexican rich.

The US legal system controls what "fun means."

The economy in Mexico is not expanding, but contracting as the World turns from Mexico to China for goods and services.

Monterrey style fun in the USA???? Nawww, never happen :-( Stop taunting us :-)

Member #3453

09-30-09, 04:02

Hola,

I agree with all of what you said...And, it truly is enjoyable to see another contributor participate. Your post was so "colorful," it woke me up from a self induced hypnotic stuper :-)))

My only clarification is that both Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are richer than what's his name...uh, the Mexicano....uhhh, oh yeah, "Skim" Pickings, something like that. But, admittedly, Slim would have much more effective buying power. So, practically speaking, he is probably richer, granted...

But, more importantly, of the 106 richest billionaires in the World, the United States boasts 38% of that number, while Mexico boasts only .0188679% of that number, meaning TWO...that is Slim something, uhhhh, I'll get it right, Carlos Slim Helú...that's him, and Alberto Bailleres is the second richest Mexicano...but way, way down the list.

The United States dominates the World in the Richest Number of Billionaires out of a total 106 Billionaires. And, statistically, the US has quite a few more of the richest billionaires than any other country represented, the next of which I believe might have been Germany, India, France, the UK. But, all of them significantly under represented in comparison to the USA.

My source...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires_%282009%29#cite_note-heirs-5[/url]

Ain't the Internet grand! I would have never known this stuff without it.

It is a cycle that started with NAFTA , USA to Mexico in the early 1990's. China has been a shaker and mover since reclaiming Hong Kong. China has strong parternership relationship with Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran and many others. Lowest cost producer to a world producer.
China has shifted production to Vietnam, Cambodia and Loas.

Vincent Fox the past President of Mexico saw the trend and noted Mexico is no match to China in labor, material and skill.

Now American's notice China. A real red Dragon.
US owes China three tillion dollars plus interest. Amount that is growing.

Warren Buffett or Bill Gates is no match for the Mexican rich.

The US legal system controls what "fun means."

Sound7

09-30-09, 04:40

I hear what you are indicating.

Warren Buffett is a front for the Chinese party. Warren invest 3 billion as preferred stock holder at 10% annual return in GE. Heard of 10% return in 2009 ? The GE stock drops by 45%.

Yesterday, according to SEC rules he has a major stock holding in a major Chinese Men clothing company. He has given up on America but he knows how to suck the taxpayer's money. AIG one of his x-holding company. Man from Nebraska is a true Chinese showman in gringo colors. Keep an eye on him.

Chinese party has $3 tillions IOU from the US Federal Reserve. I am sorry to bring this to you attention. Dollar will skid againt the Yuan as it has done so in the last 12 years unofficially. Pesos will stay about the same for this year.

US is interested in sending farming product cultivation which are labor intensitive back to Mexico & SA. California central will feel it first than the Imperial Valley. Starting with tomatoes. Watch as happens. as it has already started.

Rich Mexicans know how to please the US. Monoply or drug cartel as long as it does not impact US Congress everything is :cool:

OB's time is out. He has lost the democratic momentum. He is now just a Bushee

Brazil. 2016 Olymics. Friday is the day for the results.

Viva Lula.

Member #3453

09-30-09, 04:50

GOLD is the short term answer as the dollar takes a dive...

As the borrowing continues, the political hacks mortgage the US just to make it seem like we're prosperous. They want to extend the bubble for their own self serving political interests, misleading the public into believing everything is just fine as we dig ourselves deeper into a hole each passing day.

To them, power is the only thing that matters, and they'll project whatever illusions are necessary to make the average unsuspecting and economically uneducated person return them to power in return for the promise of effortless security. That's how we got into this mess to begin with. It's not a matter of Donkeys or Elephants, Red or Blue...the fiscal policies are the same old ****.

I heard an interesting and actually amusing quote today from Margaret Thatcher. She said:

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

I hear what you are indicating.

Warren Buffett is a front for the Chinese party. Warren invest 3 billion as preferred stock holder at 10% annual return in GE. Heard of 10% return in 2009 ? The GE stock drops by 45%.

Yesterday, according to SEC rules he has a major stock holding in a major Chinese Men clothing company. He has given up on America but he knows how to suck the taxpayer's money. AIG one of his x-holding company. Man from Nebraska is a true Chinese showman in gringo colors. Keep an eye on him.

Chinese party has $3 tillions IOU from the US Federal Reserve. I am sorry to bring this to you attention. Dollar will skid againt the Yuan as it has done so in the last 12 years unofficially. Pesos will stay about the same for this year.

US is interested in sending farming product cultivation which are labor intensitive back to Mexico & SA. California central will feel it first than the Imperial Valley. Starting with tomatoes. Watch as happens. as it has already started.

Rich Mexicans know how to please the US. Monoply or drug cartel as long as it does not impact US Congress everything is :cool:

OB's time is out. He has lost the democratic momentum. He is now just a Bushee

Brazil. 2016 Olymics. Friday is the day for the results.

Viva Lula.

One Wing Low

09-30-09, 06:39

This guy Sound7 is in just about every thread in the world. He likes to talk about big international socio, politico, economic issues.

The old guys in the China thread are afraid of him. They sound like a bunch of whiny little punks next to Sound 7.

I hear what you are indicating.

Warren Buffett is a front for the Chinese party. Warren invest 3 billion as preferred stock holder at 10% annual return in GE. Heard of 10% return in 2009 ? The GE stock drops by 45%.

Yesterday, according to SEC rules he has a major stock holding in a major Chinese Men clothing company. He has given up on America but he knows how to suck the taxpayer's money. AIG one of his x-holding company. Man from Nebraska is a true Chinese showman in gringo colors. Keep an eye on him.

Chinese party has $3 tillions IOU from the US Federal Reserve. I am sorry to bring this to you attention. Dollar will skid againt the Yuan as it has done so in the last 12 years unofficially. Pesos will stay about the same for this year.

US is interested in sending farming product cultivation which are labor intensitive back to Mexico & SA. California central will feel it first than the Imperial Valley. Starting with tomatoes. Watch as happens. as it has already started.

Rich Mexicans know how to please the US. Monoply or drug cartel as long as it does not impact US Congress everything is :cool:

OB's time is out. He has lost the democratic momentum. He is now just a Bushee

Brazil. 2016 Olymics. Friday is the day for the results.

Viva Lula.

Precocious One

09-30-09, 16:27

Although speculating on currencies is even more of a manipulated proposition than the equity or bond markets(George Soros is known for single-handedly taking down the English Pound), Mexico's current problem appears to lie deeper than manipulation for profit. They have more structural issues, that relating to oil, their number one commodity.

www.seekingalpha.com/article/157824-mexico-s-declining-oil-production-clarion-call-for-cantarell

I posted something relating to Mexico's oil problems last year(post#181 on the Mexico General Information thread) and, unfortunately for Mexico, things have taken a turn for the worse with their Cantarell cash cow, as graphed in the above-captioned link.

And things are not looking much better for their subordinate Chicontepec.

www.petroleumworld.com/story09092918.htm

Since 40 percent of Mexico's entire government budget is financed directly from the Cantarell, things could get very sketchy here within the next six months if no viable replacement can be found and the well indeed runs dry at the end of 2010(the bond guys are generally the smartest in the room and will short the Pesos well before Dec. 2010).

www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=340513&CategoryId=14091

If you think that the above economic data is bad, things will be far worse if the US and the rest of the world decide that Mexican bonds and its related currency will have no future value...as what happened here in 1994 and the Tequila Crisis. If the US can no longer buy oil from Mexico, in which they are currently our third largest supplier, exactly what would the US need Mexico for?

As for the conditions here relating to PFP, things are so great here, so much better than the previous three years that I have lived in Mexico, I just renewed my six month lease for another four months.

Are the women here desperate?

No.

Are they more accomodating?

Most definately. And probably more so in the near future.

Sound7

09-30-09, 20:16

I agree with your quotes.
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

Yuan is on a rise but fixed and gold is circulating. In ten years dollar has reached a low against Brazil Real by 50%.

I have a project for consideration, what do you think?

Tracking pussy price might be the best indication how things are going in the world. This is going to be hard since no McDonald of pussy exist. Therefore making it a very subjective art. It does not have to be this way since Pussy is treated as a commoditiy in many countries and it is legal to do so. Eventually in all legal markets the price should be posted for the services provided.

We should work on the Pussy Price Index (PPI) and collect the data as an economic investment and forcasting tool. We will need to consider the variation and locations too.

Mexico would be a good starting point, should be relativily easy to do.

We would need to know the price of Big Mac and the pussy price per location to form an index.

I am sorry to say Eilot's girl would not be the first data base. Off the charts.

GOLD is the short term answer as the dollar takes a dive...

As the borrowing continues, the political hacks mortgage the US just to make it seem like we're prosperous. They want to extend the bubble for their own self serving political interests, misleading the public into believing everything is just fine as we dig ourselves deeper into a hole each passing day.

I heard an interesting and actually amusing quote today from Margaret Thatcher. She said:

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

Sound7

09-30-09, 23:07

Tracking pussy price might be the best indication how things are going in the world. This is going to be hard since no McDonald of pussy exist. Therefore very subjective art unless one baselines with the Mac model.

We should work on the Pussy Price Index (PPI) and collect the data as an economic investment and forcasting tool. We will need to consider the variation and locations too.

Mexico would be a good starting point, should be relativily easy to do.

We would need to know the price of Big Mac and the pussy price per location to form an index for different services... Start will all legal location only like Zona Zorta, Tijuana.

What are you afraid of finding out the Big Mac price with pussy price at various location in Tijuana and reporting on this site ? Come on !

This is a PPI effort to help mongers around the world find value pussy in this tough economic situation. One needs constrant stream of reliable data.

You can be the Captain for Tijuana PPI project.

Jackson has noted your RoD in the Tijuana forum. Keep up the good work and reporting.

Sound7

09-30-09, 23:34

Eilot was the governor of the great State of NY who was caught in a sting operation.

He was giving the girl about $3500 to $4500 per session including travel.

Let us know about the cell phone in Monterrey.

Did not mean to bring web traffic to Monterrey but was looking slower pace.

Oh well it is hear now.

Well, there have been more posts here in the last few days than in the last six months. So, we are attracting the "Intellectuals." I guess that's better than nothing. Actually, we need a good mix of the Intellectuals and the Depraved. I consider myself both, but limit my comments to meaningless intellectual drivel in the interest of self preservation on the ground in Monterrey.

Who is Eliot's Girl? You lost me...

Next Post...a newly discovered substantive logistical post that will help some of us with our cell phones in Monterrey. I'll try to get to it tonight.

Member #3453

10-01-09, 14:14

Eliot, oh yeah...old news, had forgotten about him. Correct, do not consider him in your statistics.

Decided my cell phone post was too lengthy. Will rework it and re-post later on.

And, "RoD?" Forgive my ingnorance. What? Jackson, me, Tijuana? Never been there.

Here is a list of RoD acronyms from the internet site "Acronym Finder.com"...

Personally, I am considering the adoption of RoD (Retired on Duty), or perhaps more appropriately, R0D (Rough Old Dog), but don't really like that one....yeah, maybe "Retired on Duty." But, if Jackson wishes to assign something else, well, I'll consider it.

Wondering if I don't have too much time on my hands...which I don't, believe me, I DONT! I just get sucked in...But, my participation is kind of "iffy" here on ISG...Jackson knows.

I will probably choose to fade into the background once again unless encouraged (ie:baited) to do otherwise, leaving the PPI and other such important matters in more capable hands.

ROD Record Of Decision
ROD Read or Die (anime)
ROD Rate Of Descent
ROD Renal Osteodystrophy
ROD Realms of Despair (online game/MUD)
ROD Report Of Discrepancy
ROD Ring of Destruction (gaming guild)
ROD Rewritable Optical Disk
ROD Record Of Discussion
ROD Republic of Djibouti
ROD Record on Demand
ROD Reign of Darkness (song)
ROD Reporting Obligation Database
ROD Return On Debt
ROD Run Out Date
ROD Retired on Duty
ROD Report of Deficiency
ROD Run-Of-Day
ROD Record Oriented Data
ROD Repair-On-Demand (depot repair priority system)
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Eilot was the governor of the great State of NY who was caught in a sting operation.

He was giving the girl about $3500 to $4500 per session including travel.

Let us know about the cell phone in Monterrey.

Did not mean to bring web traffic to Monterrey but was looking slower pace.

Oh well it is hear now.

Member #3453

10-01-09, 14:40

Ok...

In my opinion, a Telcel Phone, with a Telcel CIM card, with a Monterrey number, works better from the US if texting girls than other USA throw away equivalents working through their respective separate systems. For some reason, US based throw aways block or lose a lot of messages between the US and Mexico.

Got a Telcel Mexico Cell Phone? But, can't access the Amigos Telcel System to re-charge it with minutes once you're back in the US...because *333 won't access the Telcel System from the USA, least not from the interior States?

Want to recharge your Telcel Mexico Phone with minutes while your back in the US?

Check out Babblebug.com, and/or PrePaidWireless.com

Both of these services will re-charge Mexico Telcel phones with minutes from anywhere in the world via the internet for a small fee.

Sound7

10-01-09, 21:54

How should a new basic phone at Walmart or Telcel cost?

Thanks for the update.

Ok.

In my opinion, a Telcel Phone, with a Telcel CIM card, with a Monterrey number, works better from the US if texting girls than other USA throw away equivalents working through their respective separate systems. For some reason, US based throw aways block or lose a lot of messages between the US and Mexico.

Got a Telcel Mexico Cell Phone? But, can't access the Amigos Telcel System to re-charge it with minutes once your back in the US because *333 won't access the Telcel System from the USA, least not from the interior States?

Want to recharge your Telcel Mexico Phone with minutes while your back in the US?

Check out Babblebug.com, and/or PrePaidWireless.com

Both of these services will re-charge Mexico Telcel phones with minutes from anywhere in the world via the internet for a small fee.

MonterreyDude

10-02-09, 19:56

350 pesos.

How should a new basic phone at Walmart or Telcel cost?

Thanks for the update.

Member #3453

10-02-09, 21:53

In las pulgas, just the other day, I was able to buy a brand new Nokia, only a basic model, of course. It cost 210 pesos, and that included 100 pesos of air time, the charger, the manuals, etc....completely brand new in a sealed box from Nokia. It works flawlessly...

It was such as good price, I decided to buy it on a whim. I didn't need it. They're handy to have around for girls that you want to keep in touch with that don't have cell phones, or as little regalos for your favoritas. I had a particular girl in mind for it, but decided against it for now.

The new Nokia is sitting back on the shelf back home waiting for a disposition. But, Amigomio, don't I have to keep this new Nokia charged up with minutes like every 60 days or I'll have to buy another CIM card for it, right?

So, I have to give it away soon. But, I'm living here in Monterrey for a while, and won't be going back to the US for awhile. I'll probably have to buy another CIM card for it because I won't be able to retrieve it until after the number expires.

I actually have a Motorola that I use, Model C139, and I have used it for probably at least three years. It's also a very basic model. I don't know if they even make it anymore. I think it was 350 pesos. It's been a work horse. It is indestructible, and totally reliable, apart from the cell phone system sometimes acting up. But, that's no fault of the phone.

Actually, with respect to Walmart, they used to carry this exact same phone back in the US, and I actually have one of them, only the US Go phone is in black. I had some prior experience with that model, and noticed it was quite durable so I purchased it's sister in Monterrey, in Silver color.

The US Go Phone from Motorola is also marked with a C139, but the model number is hard to find, under the battery compartment. But, they are identical phones, except the US Go Phone says Cingular Wireless on the back battery compartment cover. "Cingular Wireless," they don't exist any more, now ATT. So, that's how old the US Go Phone is. I could actually swap their CIM cards and either will work in the US or Mexico. I think the US Go Phone cost around $29.95 at Walmart. But, I really haven't seen it there lately either.

I know so many girls that absolutely destroy their phones, or they lose them...phones that they spent 2000-3000 pesos on. This thing of mine just keeps working, all for 350 pesos.

The store clerk I bought it from in las pulgas also had a model older than mine that she showed me as we were chatting. I think it was a C105, 109, don't remember. It was her own personal cell phone, all full of scratches. She swore by hers, telling me that it has lasted through all kinds of abuse. It looked it too. But, she loved hers. Her model most definitely had been discontinued, and she was a little worried that even my model, which was similar to hers, but just a little newer, was soon going to be history as well and she would not be able to buy a replacement. I have not seen one like mine lately in the cell phone stores, and they used to be abundant here in Monterrey.

350 pesos.

MonterreyDude

10-03-09, 03:50

Balance over 100 pesos can be left without refills for 60 days.

Over 60 days the´phone line is put on hold till you add more balance, but you don't lose your unsed balance.

Over 4 months your line is suspended, pending that you reactivate it.

After 6 months the line is lost.

In las pulgas, just the other day, I was able to buy a brand new Nokia, only a basic model, of course. It cost 210 pesos, and that included 100 pesos of air time, the charger, the manuals, etc....completely brand new in a sealed box from Nokia. It works flawlessly...

It was such as good price, I decided to buy it on a whim. I didn't need it. They're handy to have around for girls that you want to keep in touch with that don't have cell phones, or as little regalos for your favoritas. I had a particular girl in mind for it, but decided against it for now.

The new Nokia is sitting back on the shelf back home waiting for a disposition. But, Amigomio, don't I have to keep this new Nokia charged up with minutes like every 60 days or I'll have to buy another CIM card for it, right?

So, I have to give it away soon. But, I'm living here in Monterrey for a while, and won't be going back to the US for awhile. I'll probably have to buy another CIM card for it because I won't be able to retrieve it until after the number expires.

I actually have a Motorola that I use, Model C139, and I have used it for probably at least three years. It's also a very basic model. I don't know if they even make it anymore. I think it was 350 pesos. It's been a work horse. It is indestructible, and totally reliable, apart from the cell phone system sometimes acting up. But, that's no fault of the phone.

Actually, with respect to Walmart, they used to carry this exact same phone back in the US, and I actually have one of them, only the US Go phone is in black. I had some prior experience with that model, and noticed it was quite durable so I purchased it's sister in Monterrey, in Silver color.

The US Go Phone from Motorola is also marked with a C139, but the model number is hard to find, under the battery compartment. But, they are identical phones, except the US Go Phone says Cingular Wireless on the back battery compartment cover. "Cingular Wireless," they don't exist any more, now ATT. So, that's how old the US Go Phone is. I could actually swap their CIM cards and either will work in the US or Mexico. I think the US Go Phone cost around $29.95 at Walmart. But, I really haven't seen it there lately either.

I know so many girls that absolutely destroy their phones, or they lose them...phones that they spent 2000-3000 pesos on. This thing of mine just keeps working, all for 350 pesos.

The store clerk I bought it from in las pulgas also had a model older than mine that she showed me as we were chatting. I think it was a C105, 109, don't remember. It was her own personal cell phone, all full of scratches. She swore by hers, telling me that it has lasted through all kinds of abuse. It looked it too. But, she loved hers. Her model most definitely had been discontinued, and she was a little worried that even my model, which was similar to hers, but just a little newer, was soon going to be history as well and she would not be able to buy a replacement. I have not seen one like mine lately in the cell phone stores, and they used to be abundant here in Monterrey.

Doubt98

10-03-09, 13:32

Is it true that even in Infinito, Tangalay, and the Partenon there is no smoking? Not even one little cigar? Last time I was down there, they wouldn't allow it and there were no ash trays but a few were discretely doing it. Is that still the case?

Is this the ONE thing that you can do in the US and not do in Mexico?

Member #3453

10-03-09, 14:49

I have some observations that may explain the trends you see with respect to the smoking bans, which I believe is attributable to a political philosophy that I believe exists in Mexico these days, one that is opposed to the Mexico we know and love.

The people here in Mexico are participants in a conflict between their cultural origins being strongly conservative, and political attitudes that are decidedly liberal.

A good many of the issues that define liberal and conservative today are between individual liberty, and government limiting individual freedom ostensibly for the good of society as a whole.

Mexico has always been Conservative in the past, right up to this day with respect to some things...(ie: individual freedom to participate in acts that are prohibited in the USA for the "greater good.")

Unfortunately, Mexico is rapidly changing...adopting the same liberal agenda found in the USA. IMHO, the individual freedoms that we North Americans have found in Mexico, will not last forever because the philosophy of the "greater good" seems to be catching on in Mexico.

The appeal of Mexico has always been "individual freedom." In the past, and to a certain extent still today, individual freedom in some things surpasses that which prevails in the USA. And, specifically, I have to give the Mexican's credit, they've at least made a pretty decent attempt to address the personal freedoms involving sex, and for that, I commend them.

But, Mexico has a very strong history of political and cultural oppression. Therefore, the increasing inclination of most Mexicans toward a liberal philosophy, one that limits individual freedom in favor of the "greater good," is strongly a result of a belief that they need to balance the oppression of the past, and that an equalized society will liberate them. The inclinations of most Mexicans to believe in an increasingly liberal agenda, scares that crap out of me with respect to what we as Norte Americanos have enjoyed for at least 100 years in Mexico.

The problem with a liberal philosophy, and the reason I believe so strongly in responsible, individual freedom, with defined consequences for irresponsible individual behavior, is that when legislating for the greater good, one oppressor is simply displaced by another. The more a liberal agenda is adopted in Mexico, the more oppression the Mexicanos will endure.

Doubt98

10-03-09, 18:25

I have some observations that may explain the trends you see with respect to the smoking bans, which I believe is attributable to a political philosophy that I believe exists in Mexico these days, one that is opposed to the Mexico we know and love.

Yeah, but can I still smoke in the bars?

That's what you have to love about Mexico. They have a thousand rules but they very rarely, or just selectively enforce them. I remember being in the Crowne Plaza and the smoking ban was issued about a year and a half ago. It was for real there. But in the neighborhood bars I noticed that they took away the ash trays and put up signs and never bothered the people who smoked. Is it still that way? Can I be an abusive North American, a true Gringo, and ignore the law, literally blow smoke in the face of institutions of a foreign country?

What's next, no touching during a privado? Are they saving us from ourselves?

Precocious One

10-03-09, 18:26

Smoking is not permitted in restaurants or any enclosed public places in Monterrey with the exception of casinos that have designated areas. I knew of a restaurant that was temporarily closed down about a month ago for apparantly violating the ordinance. A large, obtrusive notice was placed directly in front of the entrance similar to what one receives in the US for building code violations.

I have yet to see someone smoking inside an establishment since the law stringently went into effect, some two months ago.

MonterreyDude

10-03-09, 20:56

Sorry Doubt.

Smoking is no longer allowed at the clubs we go to.
Believe it or not Prestige, Obsession, Casino, Harem, Tanaglay (yes, sorry... Tangalay too) and even Infinito enforce the new law.

Totally.
The girls, the major smokers here, have to dress up and go out to have a smoke.

Yeah, but can I still smoke in the bars?

That's what you have to love about Mexico. They have a thousand rules but they very rarely, or just selectively enforce them. I remember being in the Crowne Plaza and the smoking ban was issued about a year and a half ago. It was for real there. But in the neighborhood bars I noticed that they took away the ash trays and put up signs and never bothered the people who smoked. Is it still that way? Can I be an abusive North American, a true Gringo, and ignore the law, literally blow smoke in the face of institutions of a foreign country?

What's next, no touching during a privado? Are they saving us from ourselves?

Sound7

10-05-09, 08:04

I saw the new manager smoking in the club and I see few ash tray on the table. Did not see any Chicas smoking inside HK.

Same building code but different enforcement pattern.

Sorry Doubt.

Smoking is no longer allowed at the clubs we go to.
Believe it or not Prestige, Obsession, Casino, Harem, Tanaglay (yes, sorry... Tangalay too) and even Infinito enforce the new law.

Totally.
The girls, the major smokers here, have to dress up and go out to have a smoke.

MonterreyDude

10-05-09, 23:55

The border towns, specially Tijuana is like a completly separete universe.

When the whole country was put on hold last April due to the aH1N1 flu, everything closed down, business, food marts, movieplexes, SCs, bars etc, EXCEPT in Tijuana.

Likewise there is a No-Smoking law in place everywhere except TJ.

I saw the new manager smoking in the club and I see few ash tray on the table. Did not see any Chicas smoking inside HK.

Same building code but different enforcement pattern.

Marius 67

10-07-09, 07:00

Hi. Friends. I have been to Monterrey several times and for the life of me cannot find decent food (Taco stands) Can you guys please direct me on good places for food. Also is the Sheraton still girl friendly. I refuse to stay at any Plaza Del Arco due to them telling me "we are not girl friendly". I swear I'am ultra discreet when bringing them back. I am a big fan of taco stands, but everytime I ask a cab driver they take me to awful places. Ghetto nasty. Get sick tacos.

Member #3453

10-08-09, 03:20

I have been sick twice in Monterrey over an entire ten year period. Once, I believe it was the flu, and once it was quite possibly contaminated ice that was supposedly made from filtered water.

One reason I have been so healthy is that I do not take chances. Eating off the rolling taco stands is risking food poisoning. Just stand and watch their food handling procedures, and you'll know what I mean. I feel the same way about some of the taco places that are inside of building store fronts along Madero Avenue. Now if you're a native of Mexico, you may have a different outcome. But, I know many Mexicanos that will not eat off the rolling taco stands, and they are very, very selective with respect to the store front restaurants as well.

I frequent a lot of the US chain restaurants, plus VIPS, Sandbornes, Pollo Loco, El Prestige for lunch buffet during the week (60 pesos and nude girls), and have never had a problem. But, that does limit your choices, and I too agree with you, that I feel somewhat restricted at times with respect to selection, usually feeling it necessary to travel a ways in order to arrive at a place that I feel comfortable eating.

There are times that my GF will choose to eat at places that make me a little nervous. But, even she seems to be relatively careful. I have never witnessed her purchase a meal from a taco stand, period. She will eat in some of the mall restaurants, and those seem ok...maybe. But, even she is seemingly quite careful, and she is of the working class Mexican society that would frequent the taco stands.

Walk through the flea markets, specifically the one that extends between Pino Suarez and Juarez Avenue, One Block North of Madero. There are several taco stands in there that are packed, and they seem like they're quite popular. But if you stand back and watch the process, the openness of the food containers, etc...it sometimes amazes me that the people aren't dying on the sidewalk. But, none the less, I have to admit, they are packed.

Concerning Plaza Del Arco...I am literally the one that found Plaza Del Arco, and that was probably eight or nine years ago. I had bar fined Cindy #1 from a club that was closed not too long ago, TVO. My waiter, Victor, drove us around El Centro until he found a place that said they would take us.

A lot has changed in 8 or 9 years, and I have not stayed at Plaza Del Arco for probably at least 5 years. But, I suspect it's kind of a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing these days. If you walk in there and ask, they'll tell you no. But, for the most part, you bring a girl back there, you can usually pass by the front desk without any problems.

If you bring girls in there during the day, you run a much higher risk of being denied. But, at night, you're likely to have little or no problem. One hint is to access PDA through the garage rather than through the front lobby. The elevator is located right there off the parking garage, and you're much less conspicuous.

There is also the Plaza Del Arco Express, which is just a couple of blocks East from Pino Suarez on Madero Avenue. Both of them have accepted visitors in the room, but there can always be the exception. And, part of the downside to revealing the existence of PDA via the internet, is just the frequency of abuses that take place when a place develops a degree of infamous notoriety, and guys start to descend on it with little or no regard for the discretion that should be used to preserve the "openness" for future generations. And, that literally, could have resulted in them becoming more restrictive than they've even been in the past I suppose.

That's why we always say that there are not many girl friendly hotels in Monterrey, not decent ones, places where you feel comfortable staying. And, that's also why I say that Monterrey is not a mongering destination. It simply isn't even remotely in the same category with respect to having openness in the hotels.

One thing I always hated about PDA was the street noise. It's deafening. The street noise from buses and traffic on Madero and Pino Suarez will keep you awake until late, late at night. That's what caused me to change hotels five years ago.

One of the best ways to overcome the issue of guests in one's room is to pay for two guests in the room when you check in. It's cheap insurance for any place that restricts your bringing a friend back to your room. I've fallen back on that one a few times in my day, not to mention tipping the night clerk. Going into almost any hotel during the day with a h**ker is risky with respect to being accepted there. Wait until at least after about 10pm, and you'll find much more accepting circumstances.

Hi. Friends. I have been to Monterrey several times and for the life of me cannot find decent food (Taco stands) Can you guys please direct me on good places for food. Also is the Sheraton still girl friendly. I refuse to stay at any Plaza Del Arco due to them telling me "we are not girl friendly". I swear I'am ultra discreet when bringing them back. I am a big fan of taco stands, but everytime I ask a cab driver they take me to awful places. Ghetto nasty. Get sick tacos.

MonterreyDude

10-08-09, 07:16

Marius, not even the girls buy food from the taco stands outside the clubs.

Not even me, a local boy, have risked my life eating at a downtown taco stand.

USB is right, go to a decent restaurant or regular fast food gig like McDonald's.

And even then, not even them within the main comercial downtown area.

USB did not mention that the Chilis and the rest of the restaurants that he goes to are on the periphery of the downtown zone, way into the main suburbs of Monterrey, so everything is different: customers, people, quality, etiquet, girls... everything.

And I had noticed that the Plaza del Arco manager, whom I have in my MSN messenger has moved on to another hotel.

With him gone, I see a logical explanation why the PDA is no longer a gril friendly hotel.

That leaves the Sheraton as the one and only in Monterrey.

I have been sick twice in Monterrey over an entire ten year period. Once, I believe it was the flu, and once it was quite possibly contaminated ice that was supposedly made from filtered water.

One reason I have been so healthy is that I do not take chances. Eating off the rolling taco stands is risking food poisoning. Just stand and watch their food handling procedures, and you'll know what I mean. I feel the same way about some of the taco places that are inside of building store fronts along Madero Avenue. Now if you're a native of Mexico, you may have a different outcome. But, I know many Mexicanos that will not eat off the rolling taco stands, and they are very, very selective with respect to the store front restaurants as well.

I frequent a lot of the US chain restaurants, plus VIPS, Sandbornes, Pollo Loco, El Prestige for lunch buffet during the week (60 pesos and nude girls), and have never had a problem. But, that does limit your choices, and I too agree with you, that I feel somewhat restricted at times with respect to selection, usually feeling it necessary to travel a ways in order to arrive at a place that I feel comfortable eating.

There are times that my GF will choose to eat at places that make me a little nervous. But, even she seems to be relatively careful. I have never witnessed her purchase a meal from a taco stand, period. She will eat in some of the mall restaurants, and those seem ok...maybe. But, even she is seemingly quite careful, and she is of the working class Mexican society that would frequent the taco stands.

Walk through the flea markets, specifically the one that extends between Pino Suarez and Juarez Avenue, One Block North of Madero. There are several taco stands in there that are packed, and they seem like they're quite popular. But if you stand back and watch the process, the openness of the food containers, etc...it sometimes amazes me that the people aren't dying on the sidewalk. But, none the less, I have to admit, they are packed.

Concerning Plaza Del Arco...I am literally the one that found Plaza Del Arco, and that was probably eight or nine years ago. I had bar fined Cindy #1 from a club that was closed not too long ago, TVO. My waiter, Victor, drove us around El Centro until he found a place that said they would take us.

A lot has changed in 8 or 9 years, and I have not stayed at Plaza Del Arco for probably at least 5 years. But, I suspect it's kind of a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing these days. If you walk in there and ask, they'll tell you no. But, for the most part, you bring a girl back there, you can usually pass by the front desk without any problems.

If you bring girls in there during the day, you run a much higher risk of being denied. But, at night, you're likely to have little or no problem. One hint is to access PDA through the garage rather than through the front lobby. The elevator is located right there off the parking garage, and you're much less conspicuous.

There is also the Plaza Del Arco Express, which is just a couple of blocks East from Pino Suarez on Madero Avenue. Both of them have accepted visitors in the room, but there can always be the exception. And, part of the downside to revealing the existence of PDA via the internet, is just the frequency of abuses that take place when a place develops a degree of infamous notoriety, and guys start to descend on it with little or no regard for the discretion that should be used to preserve the "openness" for future generations. And, that literally, could have resulted in them becoming more restrictive than they've even been in the past I suppose.

That's why we always say that there are not many girl friendly hotels in Monterrey, not decent ones, places where you feel comfortable staying. And, that's also why I say that Monterrey is not a mongering destination. It simply isn't even remotely in the same category with respect to having openness in the hotels.

One thing I always hated about PDA was the street noise. It's deafening. The street noise from buses and traffic on Madero and Pino Suarez will keep you awake until late, late at night. That's what caused me to change hotels five years ago.

One of the best ways to overcome the issue of guests in one's room is to pay for two guests in the room when you check in. It's cheap insurance for any place that restricts your bringing a friend back to your room. I've fallen back on that one a few times in my day, not to mention tipping the night clerk. Going into almost any hotel during the day with a h**ker is risky with respect to being accepted there. Wait until at least after about 10pm, and you'll find much more accepting circumstances.

Precocious One

10-08-09, 14:01

I have never had a problem eating off of food carts. I used to patronize a seafood cart(these are very popular in Baja and many guys on the TJ forum swear by them) near my rental house in Ensenada four days a week for nine months straight. Shrimp and clam cocktails and ceviche tostadas. The guy had been at the same corner for ten years. I continue to buy whole chicken(twice a week for three years from the same operator), tacos and an occassional hamburger from the stands here in Monterrey. I also used to eat off of a Mexican food truck in Gardena, CA, for five years. What one has to realize is that these food carts have proprietary rights(leases) to their locations(street corner, parking lot, sidewalk, etc.). If they are serving unhealthy food, they risk their business and livelihood just the same as any other stand-alone food establishment. And since these food carts are generally self-owned and operated, one can make a case that some carts are actually safer as they are being completely handled and cared for by the proprietor as opposed to someone making 18 pesos per hour(McDonalds) who has no real vested interest or financial investment in the establishment. From my personal business experience, I was in water purification as a self-operator and I can guarantee you that my business product was superior in quality and care than that of the publically-traded companies as I personally handled and processed everything with no paid employees at the quality control levels.

Are all food carts infallible in their product and delivery?

Probably not.

Are the majority safe for consumption?

Probably so.

PS

FWIW, a food cart next to the now defunct Blanquita does the food delivery service for the girls at the Partenon. Also, the guy who runs the food cart in front of Givenchy's and across the street from the no-tel delivers for the girls at the Tangalay.

MonterreyDude

10-08-09, 16:54

Precocious, there is world of diference eating seafood at Ensenada, which is on the Mexican West coast, than eating seafood in Monterrey, which is inland.
You get it fresh at Ensenada, you get it days old in Monterrey and the carts that sell seafood here, just pack them in coolers with some ice.
During the hot months of summer we get tons of people getting sick from gastrointestinal bugs.

Hell, my son got sick from eating fish at the MARCO musuem and supposedly the restaurant is first class.

And yes, totally right. When mentioning the food I forgot about the carts in the Villagran area.

I was only thinking of the clubs in Madero Ave. Places like Casino the girls get their food from the "nana", the keeping lady at Harem and Pasarelas (I must deduce that Chocolate does too) get them from Hamburgesas del Chino, whihc is a well established taco and hamburger food business.

I have never had a problem eating off of food carts. I used to patronize a seafood cart(these are very popular in Baja and many guys on the TJ forum swear by them) near my rental house in Ensenada four days a week for nine months straight. Shrimp and clam cocktails and ceviche tostadas. The guy had been at the same corner for ten years. I continue to buy whole chicken(twice a week for three years from the same operator), tacos and an occassional hamburger from the stands here in Monterrey. I also used to eat off of a Mexican food truck in Gardena, CA, for five years. What one has to realize is that these food carts have proprietary rights(leases) to their locations(street corner, parking lot, sidewalk, etc.). If they are serving unhealthy food, they risk their business and livelihood just the same as any other stand-alone food establishment. And since these food carts are generally self-owned and operated, one can make a case that some carts are actually safer as they are being completely handled and cared for by the proprietor as opposed to someone making 18 pesos per hour(McDonalds) who has no real vested interest or financial investment in the establishment. From my personal business experience, I was in water purification as a self-operator and I can guarantee you that my business product was superior in quality and care than that of the publically-traded companies as I personally handled and processed everything with no paid employees at the quality control levels.

Are all food carts infallible in their product and delivery?

Probably not.

Are the majority safe for consumption?

Probably so.

PS

FWIW, a food cart next to the now defunct Blanquita does the food delivery service for the girls at the Partenon. Also, the guy who runs the food cart in front of Givenchy's and across the street from the no-tel delivers for the girls at the Tangalay.

Doubt98

10-08-09, 18:17

Every time I am in Monterrey I eat at a stand across the street from the Bus Station. He serves Tacos el vapor. Also, by the 7-eleven by the bus station I have eaten sopas from a lady that has a stand and also another stand that sells tacos. I have never been sick. This is not to say that it won't happen and it probably will. I won't recommend you try them but they do taste different than what you get in the restaurants. Might just be the fumes from the street though.

Member #3453

10-08-09, 21:26

None of the open air food carts in Monterrey that I've seen would pass a Health Department Inspection for food cleanliness. The food is exposed to open air, uncovered, where all kinds of insects can land on the food. The food and utensils are left exposed, unrefrigerated, and susceptible to spoilage and germs.

These carts would never, ever pass a food service inspection by a civilized health department, not to mention the questionable hygiene practices of the preparers themselves.

Now, I am not saying that you guys haven't had some good meals on isolated occasions from these food vendors. And, granted, the smells coming from those carts are heavenly. Many times I've wanted to partake. They smell, and would probably taste absolutely magnificent.

But, really, just stand back first, watch the food handling practices and the hygiene levels of the preparers for five to ten minutes, and you can reach your own conclusions about the food safety.

And, granted, their businesses depend on repeat customers. But, you also have to consider the stomachs of their average patron, and the difference between a Gringo stomach, one that is not used to a lack of cleanliness on a regular basis.

Some Mexicanos are more tolerant than I would be. I am under no illusions, therefore, that my stomach is potentially much more susceptible to gastronomic problems from a lack of cleanliness due my ethnicity, my being a Gringo.

So, I just choose not to risk it. But, if I find a cart that looks clean, and one that I would have no concerns about exposing my Gringo stomach to probably six weeks of gastronomic problems following a meal there, then I'll let you know.

Frankly, to go even further, point one out that I can watch for ten minutes and still feel completely safe with my Gringo Stomach. I vow to visit it, and conduct a thorough review of my observations, which I will post here for all to consider.

I doubt seriously if such a food cart exists in Monterrey. But, it is a valuable subject to explore, one that doesn't risk my fun on the ground by disclosing anything about my specific girls, or clubs of choice, or hotel selections, etc...

So, hey, I'm "IN" as an official food critic on ISG. Frankly, I hope someone can recommend one or more places because I would love to add to my options.

I promise to assess them without bias. But, I will be applying proper food handling practices in each of my assessments of them.

El Cabron 007

10-09-09, 08:39

No smoking law has caught up with TJ as well. But not the clubs.

Hey perverts.

Yep, still alive and, I think, kicking. I am now a resident of TJ as some of you already know. Married to that Reynosa/Monterrey kid I snagged out of the clubs in TJ. It has been almost a year since I met her and I tell you, I now know what it feels like to be a Mexican husband. "Mi amor" is usually followed by "Quiero ....."

The good side of it all is that she barely started working there when I first met her. I caught her early enough. I want to justify hooking up with a club girl but I really can't. I would, and would not, advise others to do the same. One of my very good friends fell in love with a knock out 18 y/o girl at Hong Kong and started thinking of doing the same. I warned him the process is painful.

If I tell Amigo Mio of what i have done at the clubs, he would probably denounce me. We go clubbing once in a while. Some dude blocked her way trying to talk to her. I was out of my seat and at the other end of the club in a heartbeat. I grabbed the guy by the shoulder, pushed him out of the way and yanked her. I did not even see what the dude looked like but he knew I meant “get the fuck out my way you asshole". Of course she cried and made a scene. I made a bigger seen for the entire club to see when I yelled at her to set the fuck down and shut the hell up.

We have our own little house (love nest) and are currently looking to move into a bigger house. We are buying a car .... etc, etc.

But the good side of it all is .... She is going to school. Studying English and taking 3 computer courses. Getting her driver's license and passport. She is finally in good terms with her family. They all lover her dearly and she is shocked when her brothers call her up to wish her a happy birthday .... 1st time ever. Her relatives are in constant touch with her ... suddenly. She cooks for me ... and OMG ... she is an awesome chef. So good that I take pictures of every dish she makes.

What is really amazing is this ..... she has suddenly woken up to the world. She has been asleep and just found out there is a whole different world out there. She is experiencing life from a different angle. She is shocked daily. She is amazed that people actually listen to her and respect her and call her senorita. She is falling in love with herself ... really ... noticing the changes in her personality and looks. She previously wondered why men flirted with her and now they simply say "Good day". Her doctor asked her if she has done something to her face. She looks very happy. She continuously thanks me for opening her eyes and for yanking her out of the "Basora".

When I used to ask her “how could you do this?” She would smile as if I was crazy. Now …. She slaps herself and asks how she could have been so stupid. She has not set foot at her club in over 3 months .. Ever since we visited Monterrey together.

She is making friends with non-working girls. We go out with married couples to fancy restaurants where she is served like a queen. She first gets upset that she does not want to go in. but once in, she loves this new world of family style restaurants.

She loves life and wants to become a .... doctor ...

Watching her change, watching her react, watching her understand, watching her dream, watching her learn is my reward.

Watching her want to vomit when she talks to her old roommates putas is my confirmation. Which I now forbid her to do.

The sad part of it all is …… I found happiness in a ‘you know what’.

El Cabron

The border towns, specially Tijuana is like a completly separete universe.

When the whole country was put on hold last April due to the aH1N1 flu, everything closed down, business, food marts, movieplexes, SCs, bars etc, EXCEPT in Tijuana.

Likewise there is a No-Smoking law in place everywhere except TJ.

Member #3453

10-09-09, 13:28

Yeah, the rewards are huge, and the process is sometimes painful. But, you get to see them blossom, which is a reward that's very hard to put into words. It is kind of like watching kids grow up all over again.

The rewards are so much deeper than what's typically experienced from just a mongering objective. Nothing wrong with that because it's certainly easier to simply monger and forget them. Because, to take it further with one of them certainly does promise a painful journey. It's a LOT of work turning them into girlfriends.

The most difficult part is turning them from their corrupted ways, changing them just enough so that the things you love about them are not lost in the metamorphosis, while simultaneously preserving the corrupt side of them making them "angels en la calle y diablas en la cama." :-)))

You found happiness in a "you know what," but the "you know whats" already seem to at least have half the equation, and seem more enlightened about what we want than many "good girls." The quest toward our ultimate satisfaction seems easier accomplished with a "you know what" than with most good girls, who are virtually clueless, nor do most of them care, with respect to what we really want.

Remember that Eagles Song lyric from "One of These Nights"...Sooooo true!

Look at the link, 1:29 to 1:40...

The story of countless lives, and the quintessential male fantasy, verdad? :-)

As dictator of the World, I decree that all females would be brainwashed with the lyrics of this song, playing it daily from the age of 2, and they WILL grow up knowing their focus in life... :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bL91pazq4&feature=related

"I've been searching for the daughter of the devil himself,
I've been searching for an angel in white,
I've been waiting for a woman who's a little Of both,
and I can feel her but she's nowhere In sight..."

No smoking law has caught up with TJ as well. But not the clubs.

Hey perverts.

Yep, still alive and, I think, kicking. I am now a resident of TJ as some of you already know. Married to that Reynosa/Monterrey kid I snagged out of the clubs in TJ. It has been almost a year since I met her and I tell you, I now know what it feels like to be a Mexican husband. "Mi amor" is usually followed by "Quiero ....."

The good side of it all is that she barely started working there when I first met her. I caught her early enough. I want to justify hooking up with a club girl but I really can't. I would, and would not, advise others to do the same. One of my very good friends fell in love with a knock out 18 y/o girl at Hong Kong and started thinking of doing the same. I warned him the process is painful.

If I tell Amigo Mio of what i have done at the clubs, he would probably denounce me. We go clubbing once in a while. Some dude blocked her way trying to talk to her. I was out of my seat and at the other end of the club in a heartbeat. I grabbed the guy by the shoulder, pushed him out of the way and yanked her. I did not even see what the dude looked like but he knew I meant “get the fuck out my way you asshole". Of course she cried and made a scene. I made a bigger seen for the entire club to see when I yelled at her to set the fuck down and shut the hell up.

We have our own little house (love nest) and are currently looking to move into a bigger house. We are buying a car .... etc, etc.

But the good side of it all is .... She is going to school. Studying English and taking 3 computer courses. Getting her driver's license and passport. She is finally in good terms with her family. They all lover her dearly and she is shocked when her brothers call her up to wish her a happy birthday .... 1st time ever. Her relatives are in constant touch with her ... suddenly. She cooks for me ... and OMG ... she is an awesome chef. So good that I take pictures of every dish she makes.

What is really amazing is this ..... she has suddenly woken up to the world. She has been asleep and just found out there is a whole different world out there. She is experiencing life from a different angle. She is shocked daily. She is amazed that people actually listen to her and respect her and call her senorita. She is falling in love with herself ... really ... noticing the changes in her personality and looks. She previously wondered why men flirted with her and now they simply say "Good day". Her doctor asked her if she has done something to her face. She looks very happy. She continuously thanks me for opening her eyes and for yanking her out of the "Basora".

When I used to ask her “how could you do this?” She would smile as if I was crazy. Now …. She slaps herself and asks how she could have been so stupid. She has not set foot at her club in over 3 months .. Ever since we visited Monterrey together.

She is making friends with non-working girls. We go out with married couples to fancy restaurants where she is served like a queen. She first gets upset that she does not want to go in. but once in, she loves this new world of family style restaurants.

She loves life and wants to become a .... doctor ...

Watching her change, watching her react, watching her understand, watching her dream, watching her learn is my reward.

Watching her want to vomit when she talks to her old roommates putas is my confirmation. Which I now forbid her to do.

The sad part of it all is …… I found happiness in a ‘you know what’.

El Cabron

Precocious One

10-09-09, 14:44

No smoking law has caught up with TJ as well. But not the clubs.

Hey perverts.

Yep, still alive and, I think, kicking. I am now a resident of TJ as some of you already know. Married to that Reynosa/Monterrey kid I snagged out of the clubs in TJ. It has been almost a year since I met her and I tell you, I now know what it feels like to be a Mexican husband. "Mi amor" is usually followed by "Quiero ....."

The good side of it all is that she barely started working there when I first met her. I caught her early enough. I want to justify hooking up with a club girl but I really can't. I would, and would not, advise others to do the same. One of my very good friends fell in love with a knock out 18 y/o girl at Hong Kong and started thinking of doing the same. I warned him the process is painful.

If I tell Amigo Mio of what i have done at the clubs, he would probably denounce me. We go clubbing once in a while. Some dude blocked her way trying to talk to her. I was out of my seat and at the other end of the club in a heartbeat. I grabbed the guy by the shoulder, pushed him out of the way and yanked her. I did not even see what the dude looked like but he knew I meant “get the fuck out my way you asshole". Of course she cried and made a scene. I made a bigger seen for the entire club to see when I yelled at her to set the fuck down and shut the hell up.

We have our own little house (love nest) and are currently looking to move into a bigger house. We are buying a car .... etc, etc.

But the good side of it all is .... She is going to school. Studying English and taking 3 computer courses. Getting her driver's license and passport. She is finally in good terms with her family. They all lover her dearly and she is shocked when her brothers call her up to wish her a happy birthday .... 1st time ever. Her relatives are in constant touch with her ... suddenly. She cooks for me ... and OMG ... she is an awesome chef. So good that I take pictures of every dish she makes.

What is really amazing is this ..... she has suddenly woken up to the world. She has been asleep and just found out there is a whole different world out there. She is experiencing life from a different angle. She is shocked daily. She is amazed that people actually listen to her and respect her and call her senorita. She is falling in love with herself ... really ... noticing the changes in her personality and looks. She previously wondered why men flirted with her and now they simply say "Good day". Her doctor asked her if she has done something to her face. She looks very happy. She continuously thanks me for opening her eyes and for yanking her out of the "Basora".

When I used to ask her “how could you do this?” She would smile as if I was crazy. Now …. She slaps herself and asks how she could have been so stupid. She has not set foot at her club in over 3 months .. Ever since we visited Monterrey together.

She is making friends with non-working girls. We go out with married couples to fancy restaurants where she is served like a queen. She first gets upset that she does not want to go in. but once in, she loves this new world of family style restaurants.

She loves life and wants to become a .... doctor ...

Watching her change, watching her react, watching her understand, watching her dream, watching her learn is my reward.

Watching her want to vomit when she talks to her old roommates putas is my confirmation. Which I now forbid her to do.

The sad part of it all is …… I found happiness in a ‘you know what’.

El Cabron

Hey El Cabron 007,

I was about to say felicitaciones but "you know what" I mean. For whatever it's worth, if any of us old geezers was going to pull it off with one of these girls, my money would have been on you.

I am currently seeing a 25-year-old, non-pro student(I have her on a monthly salary so I guess she's technically a pro)for about two months now but continually tell her that there is no chance of a long-term relationship because of our age difference(17 years). And even having learned about your success story I still don't think that there is a future, nor do I want one.

I guess I'm old fashioned.

Good luck.

Member #3453

10-09-09, 18:08

Don't feel bad...they're all on salary one way or another, wives, girlfriends, h**kers, the later being the cheaper investment by far. But, with investment comes increased responsibility on their part, and ROI for us. Little or no ROI, little or no investment.

When she says "Mi Amor...Quiero..." it's just a sign that he's got her hooked.

Short story...that's all they want, SECURITY. Once they have it, if they're smart, they'll make us happy. If we're the best thing that ever happened to them, and they stiff us on ROI, especially after all our emotional and financial investment, then they don't deserve us anyway.

The age issue goes away pretty quickly once you have your hooks into them. It's not really an issue, not like it is for us. You can make it work if you want to, or not, whatever your preference. But, they'll hold on if they're treated well, and they know you really do care about them. The age issue really has little to do with it. They're a little sensitive to it in public, but I learned a long time ago that their public persona is all an act to conform to society's acceptance of the feminazi imposed age restriction thing. Back in the room, they reveal the way they really feel without any preconceived manipulative provocation aimed at scamming us. After so long a time, you can read them like a book. You know when they're for real.

MonterreyDude

10-09-09, 18:18

LOL...

El Cabron an "old geezer"???

He was the kid in the gang.

Hey El Cabron 007,

I was about to say felicitaciones but "you know what" I mean. For whatever it's worth, if any of us old geezers was going to pull it off with one of these girls, my money would have been on you.

I am currently seeing a 25-year-old, non-pro student(I have her on a monthly salary so I guess she's technically a pro)for about two months now but continually tell her that there is no chance of a long-term relationship because of our age difference(17 years). And even having learned about your success story I still don't think that there is a future, nor do I want one.

I guess I'm old fashioned.

Good luck.

El Cabron 007

10-20-09, 20:49

Ain't old ... let's just say we age well.

Mr. Q had me figured out. He had the right bet. I really wanted this one girl and I believe I have found her. So far, she IS what I am looking for. I too have my bet on you Mr. Q.

And Bob .... oh Bob. You are probably the one that understand but you are far off, yet so very close.

My only pain is ... and this comes as a result of hooking up with a working girl, is that I hate .. I HATE ... her past life. I forbid her of speaking of her past. I hate her past. it drives me nuts. She is a great girl and was laughed at by her friends and called her a "Nun" until she was dragged by one of her puta friends into this basora life. To tell you the truth, I do not know how to put this behind me. I play tricks on my mind and tell myself "those guys had a chance and let her go. How could you let someone like her go?" and now she is mine. All mine.

and the story continues...

Precocious One

10-21-09, 14:02

I"m afraid that I am a bet you are probably going to lose, Cabron.

After maintaining a fairly monogomous relationship for ten weeks or so, I fuc_ed two new girls yesterday and I am going to fu_k me another today.

I thought I had this thing beat.

Apparantly, I was wrong.

Member #3453

10-21-09, 14:42

I suspect that I probably understand the evolution of your circumstances better than most on these boards...Remember when you did not understand my seeking the same dynamic you currently enjoy? Perhaps I opened your eyes. But, with "our" thing comes a pain that is difficult to deal with because we now know them beyond the fantasy.

Fantasy is great, but once you truly know them, and they accept you as something more than a client, the effects of their poor decisions weigh upon us as we contemplate the effects upon someone we actually love. That's why I don't recommend that other mongers seek our same circumstances. I used to talk of these circumstances as GFE, but this is much more than that, and with it carries significant responsibilities, emotional difficulties, etc...

So, I've come to realize that GFE is just an elevated fantasy within the mongering world. That's great...enjoy that too. But, we're dealing with a completely different animal.

You know, girls that are willing to move forward in "the life," are always susceptible to returning to it, or never actually leaving it, performing terrible acts to sustain their living standard in a society that would otherwise force them to live a life of poverty. And, many millions of them do it because they can not contemplate the negative effects that they believe a legitimate lifestyle would have upon their children, who would also live in poverty, and/or live in perpetual daycare as their mothers work 15 hours a day to make a living wage. The girls I know that are in that circumstance of having children or family responsibilities for parents, brothers and sisters, etc...do what they do in "the life" because of the kids, and because they know that the effects upon the kids that a legitimate life would have upon them would be worse than their sacrifice as dancers, h**kers, etc...

In my opinion, there are millions upon millions that try their hand at "the life" over the course of their lifetimes, some trying it and hating it sufficiently to get out right away, some forced to do it to take care of their families whether they hate it or not, some not having the skills, lacking the intelligence, lacking the education, and lacking the other principle element of the "time" to prepare themselves to do anything else. Many of them rationalize that they must take advantage of "the life" while they're young, lest they lose the opportunity to at least have a shot at climbing even partially out of poverty.

There are so, so many that already have children, or are literally taking care of entire families of parents, brothers and sisters, to the extent that living the life is their only one clear option. There are just as many "good girls" that suffer a life of poverty, and would never stoop so low. But, I suspect that those who choose a legitimate, virtuous life, were they under the same circumstances, single mothers, lack of skills, etc...have it even harder than some of our girlfriends that choose "the life" and can keep their legitimate lives separate from the dark side.

I know all of this first hand, and I've seen it played out in my own circumstances. It pulls at your heart strings to know that they are as trapped in the life as a drug addict is trapped by an addiction to narcotics, not because they're addicted to what they do, they actually hate that with a passion, but because they're addicted to the security that their chosen lifestyle provides for their families and children.

And, lets not leave out the obvious...so many thousands of these girls have mental and emotional instability issues that they deal with constantly. They're mental state further hinders their ability to lead legitimate "good girl" lives, and their handicap keeps them from using their intellectual capacity to its fullest potential versus the relatively brainless task of performing services within the context of "the life."

Because they are trapped, they can prepare for no future life beyond whatever enrichment they can find in their present occupational circumstances. The demands of their business, the working hours, the loud music, the liquor, the drugs, the lack of sleep, the exposure to disease, the associations, the lack of self esteem, it weighs on each them, and especially the ones that give-in to all of the above, especially upon those that lack the wisdom to risk damaging themselves to the fullest degree with drugs and excessive amounts of liquor each night of their lives.

With your girl, El Cabron, you found her at the initial stages, at an impressionable stage in her life, before she has children, before she has responsibilities that force her to continue in a lifestyle that most of them hate with a passion, especially after they've become mothers, started to mature, later realizing along with their maturity what they've become, not really understanding previously in life what the effects upon them would be. Regretting their position in life because they have no better alternative, but still appreciating the resource that "the life" provides them with respect to taking care of their kids and families.

She is fortunate, and you have found her in time to turn the tide. That's a wonderful thing. Four or Five years ago, my girl started calling me her "angel." I used to think it was just a term of endearment, nothing really meaningful beyond the flippant norm.

She still calls me her "angel." But, I have come to realize what she really meant from the very beginning, that she really means it, that when she started to use the term, it was from a spiritual perspective, like she thought of me as her protector, her father, her mother...her guardian angel, someone that would be at her side unconditionally. She has told me many times I am her amigo, her boyfriend, her esposo, her todo, so much so over four or five years, that I have all but abandoned any suspicions I may have of her. I accept her unconditionally, and I try to influence her positively in her legitimate life. I give her my commitment, and she counts upon it.

You are fortune that your girl has an alternative in life, still young. Just encourage her to leave her past behind her, and just encourage her forward, making small baby steps in your influences upon her. She has no obligations to distract her from your influence. She will see the depth of your unconditional commitment to her, and your influence upon her will shape her in the positive direction you envision for her.

Good Luck and Congratulations on what you've found in her.

Ain't old ... let's just say we age well.

Mr. Q had me figured out. He had the right bet. I really wanted this one girl and I believe I have found her. So far, she IS what I am looking for. I too have my bet on you Mr. Q.

And Bob .... oh Bob. You are probably the one that understand but you are far off, yet so very close.

My only pain is ... and this comes as a result of hooking up with a working girl, is that I hate .. I HATE ... her past life. I forbid her of speaking of her past. I hate her past. it drives me nuts. She is a great girl and was laughed at by her friends and called her a "Nun" until she was dragged by one of her puta friends into this basora life. To tell you the truth, I do not know how to put this behind me. I play tricks on my mind and tell myself "those guys had a chance and let her go. How could you let someone like her go?" and now she is mine. All mine.

and the story continues...

El Cabron 007

10-21-09, 18:15

Right on the money Bob.

As a matter of fact, she is aching to transform from a nina to a senorita. When I told her she can not become one overnight, she was hurt thinking I meant she could not transform from a puta to a senorita. That's when I stood up, motioned holding her hand, then she wanted to run to the sign that siad "Senoritas'. My final motion was pulling her back telling to slow down a little and walk with me. "Walk, Do not run."

She, and I, have not participated in the SC life since we made out commitment back in June. We do, however, visit Hong Kong frequently to enjoy the music and sometimes with friends. My good friend Mr. L and others come down to visit and we hang out at the club.

First it was hard for both of us when a mother-f_cker dude eyes her. Yep, a previous client. She thought it would be OK to say hello to an old friend. What friend? What the hell do you think this friend wants from you but to visit with you again? She now eyes the floor especially after that last incident when I created a HUGE scene at Hong Kong. I know for a fact she will never eye any of those ash holes again. I never physically hurt her. But that night, I pretty much threw her around as she was angry as a result of my action when i pulled that dude's shoulder so hard that I. myself, was waiting for my fest to dent his face.

But we are OK now. She begs me to never leave her ... and ... we agreed that if I ever leave her, she WILL go home to her mother and finish her studies.

Oh yeah, she is finishing her computer courses in 6 months instead of a 1 1/2 years. She is excelling in her English school and now on to level 4. She openly questions one of her computer professors because he is too lame and wastes her time and tuition money .. well .. my tuition money. She's amazing especially since, when she first joined the school, she was terrified of talking in the classroom. Now, get this, she is the most talkative and the other students back her up when she has a comment. Her words to me were "They listen to me."

The other good factor that is really helping her is that one of her MTY girlfriends was also yanked out by a gringo and had just had their first baby. Another is that she is making friends with girls that had never stepped foot in the clubs. This after she cried because she was so lonely and had no friends early in our life together. it was so hard to be away for a week and having to calm her down because she felt she was jailed.

She reports to me her whereabouts every minute of the day. Not that I do not trust her ... but that I do not trust any Mexican around her. She is very, what's the word?, "every man’s desire"? Can i say that? She turns heads wherever we go. An no Amigo Mio, she is far from looking like a working girl. She was in the beginning. But now, when I show her fotos of the old her, she cries "Filla". And she was. She thought she needed to show her body to get respect ...

Funny story... she comes home angry one day. Why? A hot blond joined her class and is walking around showing off her hot body. She was so jealous because she was no longer the center of attention and her class friends abandoned her. A week later, she comes home so happy. Why? Her class friends are still her friends and they all think that the hot blond is, What's the word Amigo? Sosia, is it? She uses the word "Gorda" which means fat but it stands for idiot, stupid, foul, dumb, ugly ... etc.

I've said too much. I’ll stop here.

El Cabron.

You are fortune that your girl has an alternative in life, still young. Just encourage her to leave her past behind her, and just encourage her forward, making small baby steps in your influences upon her. She has no obligations to distract her from your influence. She will see the depth of your unconditional commitment to her, and your influence upon her will shape her in the positive direction you envision for her.

Good Luck and Congratulations on what you've found in her.

Member #3453

10-22-09, 12:41

Most of us concluded a long time ago that most of the bad girls we know are not really worthy of our caring one bit about them. Most of the bad girls are not worthy of our emotional concern or our financial investment beyond the obvious.

If we find something in one of the them that distinguishes them from all the others, then the first inclination is to preserve it. Once you find that distinction in them, you just can't forget them and walk away. As the relationship progresses, their value to us escalates so that we can't bare to lose what unique charm we originally found in them. We know what "the life" will eventually do to them, and to us.

The effects of "legitimate life" are hard enough upon them, especially if they're enduring poverty within their social class. If they are unique and special, to permit the "the life" to accelerate the pace of their decline is such a waste.

Right on the money Bob.

As a matter of fact, she is aching to transform from a nina to a senorita. When I told her she can not become one overnight, she was hurt thinking I meant she could not transform from a puta to a senorita. That's when I stood up, motioned holding her hand, then she wanted to run to the sign that siad "Senoritas'. My final motion was pulling her back telling to slow down a little and walk with me. "Walk, Do not run."

She, and I, have not participated in the SC life since we made out commitment back in June. We do, however, visit Hong Kong frequently to enjoy the music and sometimes with friends. My good friend Mr. L and others come down to visit and we hang out at the club.

First it was hard for both of us when a mother-f_cker dude eyes her. Yep, a previous client. She thought it would be OK to say hello to an old friend. What friend? What the hell do you think this friend wants from you but to visit with you again? She now eyes the floor especially after that last incident when I created a HUGE scene at Hong Kong. I know for a fact she will never eye any of those ash holes again. I never physically hurt her. But that night, I pretty much threw her around as she was angry as a result of my action when i pulled that dude's shoulder so hard that I. myself, was waiting for my fest to dent his face.

But we are OK now. She begs me to never leave her ... and ... we agreed that if I ever leave her, she WILL go home to her mother and finish her studies.

Oh yeah, she is finishing her computer courses in 6 months instead of a 1 1/2 years. She is excelling in her English school and now on to level 4. She openly questions one of her computer professors because he is too lame and wastes her time and tuition money .. well .. my tuition money. She's amazing especially since, when she first joined the school, she was terrified of talking in the classroom. Now, get this, she is the most talkative and the other students back her up when she has a comment. Her words to me were "They listen to me."

The other good factor that is really helping her is that one of her MTY girlfriends was also yanked out by a gringo and had just had their first baby. Another is that she is making friends with girls that had never stepped foot in the clubs. This after she cried because she was so lonely and had no friends early in our life together. it was so hard to be away for a week and having to calm her down because she felt she was jailed.

She reports to me her whereabouts every minute of the day. Not that I do not trust her ... but that I do not trust any Mexican around her. She is very, what's the word?, "every man’s desire"? Can i say that? She turns heads wherever we go. An no Amigo Mio, she is far from looking like a working girl. She was in the beginning. But now, when I show her fotos of the old her, she cries "Filla". And she was. She thought she needed to show her body to get respect ...

Funny story... she comes home angry one day. Why? A hot blond joined her class and is walking around showing off her hot body. She was so jealous because she was no longer the center of attention and her class friends abandoned her. A week later, she comes home so happy. Why? Her class friends are still her friends and they all think that the hot blond is, What's the word Amigo? Sosia, is it? She uses the word "Gorda" which means fat but it stands for idiot, stupid, foul, dumb, ugly ... etc.

I've said too much. I’ll stop here.

El Cabron.

MonterreyDude

10-23-09, 01:54

Iam going to be the Devil's advocate and you are not going to like what you hear.

You are going to totally hate me after this.

There is one thing you guys have not considered.

We Mexicans live in a caste system.

There are some people set within said caste levels that will only be able to move up to a certain point.

That margin of movement includes lifestyle and the ability to obtain certain types of jobs that pay well.

The girls we know are part of the caste that will always be subjected to earn minimum wage or tops, 5 -10 times the minimum wage.

That is a 1300 pesos to 10,000 pesos a month.

Why do you think they are working for starters, at the clubs?

Cause they are there cause it is impossible for them to get a good paying job, with or without education.

Both of you are dealing from the outside a vicious cycle you have only brushed, but never faced it fully.

You guys are initiating the cycle of the 3Ds: Desire, deception and discovery.

1st D. You are planting the seed of a possibility of improvement

2nd D. Since you are subsidising them, they think they are imporving

3rd D. One of these day they'll discover they been living a falacy.

Oh boy! will that hurt when both of you confront it.

Am not kidding.
This is well documented, has happened many times.

I've told you both in the past that what you are doing is dangerous and you will be hurt emotionaly as you will hurt both your respective girls.

Important point here is... are you willing to understand that this is going to happen?

Most of us concluded a long time ago that most of the bad girls we know are not really worthy of our caring one bit about them. Most of the bad girls are not worthy of our emotional concern or our financial investment beyond the obvious.

If we find something in one of the them that distinguishes them from all the others, then the first inclination is to preserve it. Once you find that distinction in them, you just can't forget them and walk away. As the relationship progresses, their value to us escalates so that we can't bare to lose what unique charm we originally found in them. We know what "the life" will eventually do to them, and to us.

The effects of "legitimate life" are hard enough upon them, especially if they're enduring poverty within their social class. If they are unique and special, to permit the "the life" to accelerate the pace of their decline is such a waste.

Member #3453

10-23-09, 03:10

Well, logically, if they are as doomed as you say, then our being a part of their respective lives has enriched them. Certainly, it has done them no harm.

Remember, according to you, and I agree, they are doomed to suffer the indignities of their subservient positions in Mexican society. So, if we intervene in their doomed existence, and we legitimately help them out, then how can that harm them? They have literally nothing to lose and everything to gain. Arguable, we are their only hope according to your assessment.

When I speak of helping them out, I refer to things that are not only measured by money, but things that come straight from the heart, things that they have recognized as valuable to them beyond a purely monetary measure.

I don't believe that we will find ourselves in the situations we've created forever. We are fully aware of that potential, and prepared for it should it occur. But, until it does, we receive a lot more satisfaction from our relationships than the alternative.

To illustrate, I wouldn't trade the last five years of my time in Monterrey, for the previous five years, during which time I spent the same amount of money, OR MORE, much of which was wasted on a rather large percentage of girls that were quite comparatively disappointing.

Iam going to be the Devil's advocate and you are not going to like what you hear.

You are going to totally hate me after this.

There is one thing you guys have not considered.

We Mexicans live in a caste system.

There are some people set within said caste levels that will only be able to move up to a certain point.

That margin of movement includes lifestyle and the ability to obtain certain types of jobs that pay well.

The girls we know are part of the caste that will always be subjected to earn minimum wage or tops, 5 -10 times the minimum wage.

That is a 1300 pesos to 10,000 pesos a month.

Why do you think they are working for starters, at the clubs?

Cause they are there cause it is impossible for them to get a good paying job, with or without education.

Both of you are dealing from the outside a vicious cycle you have only brushed, but never faced it fully.

You guys are initiating the cycle of the 3Ds: Desire, deception and discovery.

1st D. You are planting the seed of a possibility of improvement

2nd D. Since you are subsidising them, they think they are imporving

3rd D. One of these day they'll discover they been living a falacy.

Oh boy! will that hurt when both of you confront it.

Am not kidding.
This is well documented, has happened many times.

I've told you both in the past that what you are doing is dangerous and you will be hurt emotionaly as you will hurt both your respective girls.

Important point here is... are you willing to understand that this is going to happen?

Sound7

10-23-09, 03:54

USB
Having contact with ones emotion and of another individual for five years is a pure condition. What is the price to experience reality ?

One hopes to experience life with just full of joy and no suffering. what a reality?
Reality is stateless as we may share without even knowing. Hope reality keeps fresh.

Thanks for sharing the thoughts.

MonterreyDude

10-23-09, 07:14

Mmmm...

I must apologize, USB.

You have the situation within grasp and understanding.

Well, logically, if they are as doomed as you say, then our being a part of their respective lives has enriched them. Certainly, it has done them no harm.

Remember, according to you, and I agree, they are doomed to suffer the indignities of their subservient positions in Mexican society. So, if we intervene in their doomed existence, and we legitimately help them out, then how can that harm them? They have literally nothing to lose and everything to gain. Arguable, we are their only hope according to your assessment.

When I speak of helping them out, I refer to things that are not only measured by money, but things that come straight from the heart, things that they have recognized as valuable to them beyond a purely monetary measure.

I don't believe that we will find ourselves in the situations we've created forever. We are fully aware of that potential, and prepared for it should it occur. But, until it does, we receive a lot more satisfaction from our relationships than the alternative.

To illustrate, I wouldn't trade the last five years of my time in Monterrey, for the previous five years, during which time I spent the same amount of money, OR MORE, much of which was wasted on a rather large percentage of girls that were quite comparatively disappointing.

El Cabron 007

10-23-09, 08:58

Yes Amigo Mio. You are 100% correct. And who am I to become the exception?

Although I am enjoying watching her grow, learn, wonder, reach, remember, comprehend, teach and, most of all, appreciate, I am still waiting for that day when all comes crumbling down and we both fall flat on our faces.

But that cannot hurt me nor would it disappoint me. To be even more of an asshole, it may even liberate me; unfortunately. But man, would I feel bad for her ... Damm "the life". Those poor unfortunate souls

We both constantly ask & tell each other:
Her - Until when?
Me - Please do not ever let me down.
Her - Please don't ever leave me.
Her - If you decide to leave, please tell me. I will understand.
Me - You are free to leave anytime (she hates this)
Me - If your future life, when you have another husband ...
etc ...

We are building our future but both are afraid of tomorrow.

You guys are initiating the cycle of the 3Ds: Desire, deception and discovery.

1st D. You are planting the seed of a possibility of improvement
2nd D. Since you are subsidising them, they think they are imporving
3rd D. One of these day they'll discover they been living a falacy.

Oh boy! will that hurt when both of you confront it.

Am not kidding.
This is well documented, has happened many times.

I've told you both in the past that what you are doing is dangerous and you will be hurt emotionaly as you will hurt both your respective girls.

Important point here is... are you willing to understand that this is going to happen?

Member #3453

10-23-09, 13:09

I think the prospect for eventual disappointment looms large, not because any one of us goes into it wanting that, but because we are dealing with girls that have been socialized so much differently than we, in a society foreign to us, one where the ends, in their minds, may justify the means by which they achieve their perception of success.

The goal and objective for us, emotionally, is to come full circle in the relationship, to experience so much of it that we become sort of complacent over the dynamic. So that when it does occur, as El Cabron said, we feel liberated per se.

But, were I to lose her, I would feel a profound emotional emptiness, and I would have lost her love, and that truly is precious to me. I can substitute the sex, but not the love and the legitimate depth of affection, and I know she feels that same way. It's what has kept the dynamic on track for five years.

I remember coming to Monterrey one time in the not too distant past after being absent a few weeks, and believing that she was going to be back visiting relatives, far away from Monterrey when I returned, expecting her not to be there for me. She was having to visit relatives, some kind of family emergency. I had already purchased my tickets to return, so canceling the trip would have cost me some money. Amigomio urged me to come on down anyway, visit the buffets, prowl the clubs, etc...So, I decided I would come down and make the best of it, all the while aching from the prospect of missing her.

I remember arriving that evening of my trip feeling like a lost puppy thinking she was not going to be there, and simultaneously also knowing that I could certainly have the mongering time of my life, just as I had always done in the past if I wanted to.

But, emotionally, my heart bled over the prospect of her absence because I just couldn't stop thinking of how much I was going to miss her. That's why I always say that it isn't about sex. Sex is so abundantly available in Monterrey, that I could replace her in 30 minutes with respect to sex. It's about something much deeper between us, something that we have both committed to because we each benefit in our own individual ways from our relationship, and we do not want to live without that.

To get back to my story...

Remember, I am arriving with her not really knowing whether I would be returning or not, she previously asking me to return after she returns from her trip. So, I could have just as easily gone mongering around town, and she would not have known I was even there. Spies? Yes, she has them, but I know where her spies are, and can easily evade them with absolutely no difficulty.

Would you believe it? What''s the first thing I do after I arrive in Monterrey???

Almost immediately after checking into the hotel, I called her house, just hoping that somehow she might have returned, hoping perhaps that she had never actually left.

One thing you learn from all this fraternization with them is how Mexican bar girls plan to do everything and ultimately end up do nothing :-)).

I was so happy when she answered the phone, and so relieved that she was there for me. She told me that she couldn't go on her trip after all, not enough money, or some other excuse.

Later, she very purposefully pointed out that she has many spies, and that if she were to be gone sometime, she would know what I was up to. She was worried more about she not being there, jealous of the prospect of my being turned loose on the streets of Monterrey without her, than she was about canceling or postponing her trip.

But, she did in fact leave town to tend to her family obligations the very night I returned to the US at the end of that week.

Speaking on behalf of all that are in this situation, if a breakup should occur, I believe that it will be a much greater disappointment for them. Emotionally, the disappointment will be equally shared...Very hurtful indeed!

But, they have much more to lose than we do. They literally receive at least a part of their sustenance from us, we spending probably no more than if we were mongering, throwing money away like we always did before, but now making a donation to our own personal charity, at least we knowing that someone we actually care about is getting the benefit of our money rather than the diablas that work the clubs of Monterrey. In addition to receiving a portion of their support from us, they receive our hearts, and they legitimately know that we care about them very deeply, apart from the sex.

And, if we get restless, there is always the alternative, the playground of Monterrey, verdad? But, the alternative pales quite substantially compared to what one can develop otherwise within the context of these legitimate relationships with them.

However, the chemistry has to be there. Literally, I have NO INTEREST in a relationship with any of the other girls I know, and I know a million of them, ones that are arguably more beautiful by Mexican standards than she, she being probably at least an "8." But, to me, she is always an "11," precious even when she is fighting a terrible cold, etc...and isn't necessarily the most attractive.

But, we truly are in total control of our circumstances El Cabron and me. Just because we choose to "love" them, and demonstrate that to them, through our sincerely, exhibited through our behaviors in addition to money and sex, that doesn't limit us in any way with respect to our ability to return to our version of "the life" if we choose to.

Our options are truly limitless, and their options are relatively finite. Just as Amigomio pointed out with respect to their position within their oppressive society, they have few options. If they make a decision to "cut and run," the consequences for them are much greater, not withstanding the equally painful emotional consequences for us both.

I suspect they are more concerned that they will fall out of favor with us over time, as they age, as we grow accustomed to the charm that captured us initially, etc...They have much more to lose when you consider the totality of our respective circumstances. We have our legitimate lives in tact were our relationships with them to fail. They have little else they can rely upon in life apart from us, especially as the clock ticks by, and they become older. But, the nice thing is, even as they age, we ourselves, the "old guys," age too. And, as we age, their incremental increase in age actually starts to compliment our togetherness, as time narrows the field for them. After each of us has contemplated our relative circumstances in life, the guys and the girls, I believe we've mutually decided to ride this train as long as it's rewarding and reasonably satisfying.

Sound7

10-23-09, 21:10

A true sunset feeling comes to my mind. Living from sunset to sunset.

It is a emotional support between two individual in different culture and language and still serves a purpose in life.

Peace.

I believe we've mutually decided to ride this train as long as it's rewarding and reasonably satisfying.

Sound7

10-25-09, 17:20

What is it about Monterrey Chicas?

I have not been to Monterrey but the place on my short list. I have read the thread.

I have a Shangri-La feeling about Monterrey but reading the thread I am unable to connect the dots.

Is it just an illusion in my mind or will I see Monterrey chicas that would make Shangri-La real for the moment.

MonterreyDude

10-26-09, 03:55

There is nothing special in Monterrey girls to what you can find elsewhere above a simple explanation

People like USB and El Cabron have been coming for years to Monterrey and at that, once a month for a good deal of days.

Usually mongers vist Mexican cities, be it TJ, Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa, and Monterrey just for a quick pop, hit and run, with the "I don't care for a ho mentality" with no intent to make friends with ho's.

Coming down as fequent visitors made both USB and EL Cabron aware that having a relationship with one or several girls was easy as soon as the language barrier disapears and you manage to understand the dynamics of the business.

As simple as me have a nice list if GFs all over the clubs cause I have the benefit of being local and I can visit them several times a week, call them on the phone, see them outside the clubs, etc

Just plain simple: time is on the side of both mongers. They could patiantly choose the girls of their likings and that's it.

What is it about Monterrey Chicas?

I have not been to Monterrey but the place on my short list. I have read the thread.

I have a Shangri-La feeling about Monterrey but reading the thread I am unable to connect the dots.

Is it just an illusion in my mind or will I see Monterrey chicas that would make Shangri-La real for the moment.

Mextexman

10-26-09, 05:33

Hola Amigomio,

I'm thinking about heading down to mty this weekend (Oct. 30th). How about a scouting report. I really enjoy el infinito and el harem, never had much luck at casino. Anything to report? Where are the gueritas hanging out these days? Is alejandra still working at el harem?

Member #3453

10-26-09, 05:34

Amigomio hit the nail on the head. Most guys visit and see the girls only as h**kers. And, for the most part, I would probably recommend that they stay in that mode. Because, few have the opportunity to get to know the girls anyway. So, not staying in a hit and run mode isn't really an option for most.

Personally, I always felt that treating them as h**kers, and taking nothing else into consideration was cruel, if in fact you frequent see these people all the time. Just because I am paying them, doesn't mean that I want to abuse them as people, not emotionally, and not psychologically.

So, I put a lot more work into making them understand my motivations with them. Sometimes it's very hard because they're conditioned to operate within their force field of protection, and sometimes conversely, they're just rotten to the core and you will never reach them.

But, when I see someone all the time, and I start to intimately know them, count them as friends, then I feel an obligation to assess them differently than to merely assign them as h**kers. So, these girls, depending on the girl, have some potential to become friends. If you really find out that you like their personalities, then you can make them more than just friends too.

But, if you really want to know the truth, girls do what they do for a whole bunch of reasons. There are quite a few that really do sacrifice themselves for a greater good, out of love for their families, believing their sacrifice to be a noble one.

And, if you know their individual circumstances, their sacrifices are, in the final in-depth analysis, indeed sometimes noble. So, I always liked getting a little closer to the girls than what most visitors endeavor to do, not because I was particularly interested in turning them into girlfriends, but because I wanted to understand them as people first, in order to determine their worthiness as potential girlfriends, and not just see them with blinders on, thereby inflating my own ego, imagining I am somehow superior to them, when the reality of their lives might suggest something else in its totality.

Yeah, right, we're superior to them. We screw a different girl, or series of girls, every night, and only for our own personal gratification. Conversely, many of them do what they do to sustain at least a hopefully meager existence for themselves, primarily doing so for their families, with little direct compensation enriching them personally. Do you see many of them driving Mercedes Benz' around Monterrey? So, whom is the more virtuous, we or them?

And, lets face it, knowing everything you can about the "enemy," and I use that word tongue and cheek, is the very best policy. I always advocate psychology be used to get what you're truly looking for, not in a disingenuous way, but in a giving and benevolent way, so that what results is a win/win for you and the girl. If they are truly worthy of your considerations along these lines, you'll know it soon enough if you treat them well. If they dump on you as a result of your kindness toward them, then cut them loose.

Because, if they are friends, and especially if they become a little or a lot more than friends, then you really do want the best for them. That's the method I've found to be most successful in getting what I enjoy.

As for the girls of Monterrey being superior, I have seen girls all over the world, and vividly recall being in Costa Rica one time, and wishing I were back in Monterrey, which was about 3 times the cost, at least. So, I do think the Mexican girls are unique in the World. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Monterrey girls are superior. But, I do think that Mexican girls are really great compared to many other venues around the World. And, I only say that because I had that longing to return to Monterrey, kind of a six sense desire to return when I've been in other venues that are, reputation wise, more desirable. But, I also think it has a lot to do with spending the time I've spent in Monterrey, knowing the girls I know, and making the depth of effort I make with them that makes me feel more welcome than I might have felt in other venues. It's kind of like missing the old homestead from your 15th floor penthouse luxury apartment. Sometimes the familiar and the simplest things lure your soul back there.

There is nothing special in Monterrey girls to what you can find elsewhere above a simple explanation

People like USB and El Cabron have been coming for years to Monterrey and at that, once a month for a good deal of days.

Usually mongers vist Mexican cities, be it TJ, Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa, and Monterrey just for a quick pop, hit and run, with the "I don't care for a ho mentality" with no intent to make friends with ho's.

Coming down as fequent visitors made both USB and EL Cabron aware that having a relationship with one or several girls was easy as soon as the language barrier disapears and you manage to understand the dynamics of the business.

As simple as me have a nice list if GFs all over the clubs cause I have the benefit of being local and I can visit them several times a week, call them on the phone, see them outside the clubs, etc

Just plain simple: time is on the side of both mongers. They could patiantly choose the girls of their likings and that's it.

Sound7

10-26-09, 20:20

amigomio:

i agree with you say and it applies 100% to the border town like tj.

mty may have more personality sexo sw to offer and that changes the dynamic equation for good. the chicas are more put in mty and that help too. chica with personality can be good personal therapist or balance act. it appears the city has more strip club with good service.

tj and other locations sw are just move around to various locations frequently. typical tj hk hotie rolls 2500 to 3000 pesos, may be not be much by mty standards. with the current tj economic situation and reported bar fights the number might be much lower. hk chicas are too tried to have any sort of outside relationship other than the club interaction in most cases.

chica with sexo personality chica require seed money to maintain the charm and very few takers in tj and other border locations. exception might be monterrey. more business and state travel to mty takes place than the border towns.
even hilary c has visted mty on official visit this year before the hin! outbreak.

business travelers typically would be more comfortable providing seed money to hottie sexo personality chica for frequent visit and quick access.

bernie madof of ny provided personality sexo girls and drugs to special investment clients. it just took 40 years to be in the press.

personality sexo is a deep emotional mind/body experience and be in demand for some time.

s7

there is nothing special in monterrey girls to what you can find elsewhere above a simple explanation

people like usb and el cabron have been coming for years to monterrey and at that, once a month for a good deal of days.

usually mongers vist mexican cities, be it tj, nuevo laredo, reynosa, and monterrey just for a quick pop, hit and run, with the "i don't care for a ho mentality" with no intent to make friends with ho's.

coming down as fequent visitors made both usb and el cabron aware that having a relationship with one or several girls was easy as soon as the language barrier disapears and you manage to understand the dynamics of the business.

as simple as me have a nice list if gfs all over the clubs cause i have the benefit of being local and i can visit them several times a week, call them on the phone, see them outside the clubs, etc

just plain simple: time is on the side of both mongers. they could patiantly choose the girls of their likings and that's it.

MonterreyDude

10-27-09, 04:28

INfinito on the weekends is BIG.

I don't know if the last time you were here Infinito had expanded to 3 stages, but that has made the club a monstrous club, full of hotties.

Casino and Harem are still good.

Casino is still may favorite, but it seems that you prefer them a little darker and seedier like Harem.

You know your way around.
I know you'll have fun.

Hola Amigomio,

I'm thinking about heading down to mty this weekend (Oct. 30th). How about a scouting report. I really enjoy el infinito and el harem, never had much luck at casino. Anything to report? Where are the gueritas hanging out these days? Is alejandra still working at el harem?

Mextexman

10-27-09, 19:08

Thanks for the info. I will make it a point to go to casino again. Last time I was there, there were a couple of hotties, one in particular had alot of energy, you could tell by the way she walked. Waited around because she was just sitting with a regular buying her a beer, but I got sleepy and headed for the bus station. Any chance of getting together for a beer?

Doubt98

10-28-09, 02:05

Amigomio you never told me that there were darker and seedier than those on Villigran? I'm disappointed you holding back on me like that.

MonterreyDude

10-28-09, 03:25

Of course... Harem is one of them

And Womens.

But you don't like Harem.

Amigomio you never told me that there were darker and seedier than those on Villigran? I'm disappointed you holding back on me like that.

Member #3453

10-28-09, 06:13

Darker and Seedier? I don't see Harem or Womens that way at all. Besides, they are both way more expensive than anything found on Villa Gran.

I've been to Harem many times, and am generally turned off by it. You want LOUD??? Harem is the King of Loud Music in Monterrey. But, it isn't really comparable to the Villa Gran bars, not in format, not in selection, and not in cost. Salida cost is high, drinks are higher than the Villa Gran bars, and the selection of girls is probably about 3-5 years older than a place like El Infinito, and probably 5-10 years older than a place like Parthenon.

Womens, I have heard of that bar for a number of years. But, I do not believe it was on the original set of Amigomio maps. I recently told Amigomio the same thing, that he was holding out on me. So, he recently took me over there, and I was able to soak it up for a little while. The format at Womens is not really the same as the Villa Gran bars either, and the costs are higher there. In answering my accusation, that he was holding out on me for the last ten years, :-))) Amigomio gave me the excuse that he never chose to frequent it often because it was not conveniently located. And, it is way off our normal beaten path of clubs along Madero and down Villa Gran, making it inconvenient for him.

But, Amigomio, are you going to Womens more frequently now? And, if so, do you know something we don't that brings you out of your little corner of the World and down Lincoln Avenue? :-) Because, when I was there, I thought the selection of girls was kind of bland, and that it resembled a bar like Pasarelas or Azul as far as facilities are concerned.

Amigomio you never told me that there were darker and seedier than those on Villigran? I'm disappointed you holding back on me like that.

MonterreyDude

10-28-09, 07:04

No no no.

You may not prefer Harem, Womans and Casino, but there are many mongers that do.

Doubt is one of them, specially since he can smoke (YES Doubt, smoke) at Harem and Casino now.

So Harem is loud? Yes, all the LOUD bars are for the young customers.

No, you are off with the age range too.

And Woman's has always been on my Monterrey Google Map.

Woman's format is almost a copy of Harem's

And I haven't been to Woman's in almost a year.

And one of the wrong things that my friend USB tends to imply is, that if he does not like a club, no one else will like it.

A week ago several mongers from Houston and from another forum had one hell of a time with the afternoon Prestige and Obsession girls and the night girls at Poisson.

USB likes neither of these clubs, specially Obsession.

And these guys did not like Infinito at all.

This guys had no trouble spending money, so they get the girls, the good ones and believe me they were not scammed or robbed since I was there with them, but they had no qualms in paying 4000 pesos for a salida at Poisson.

Diversity is high.

Let they guys have fun at which ever club they desire and find fit to spend their money at.

Darker and Seedier? I don't see Harem or Womens that way at all. Besides, they are both way more expensive than anything found on Villa Gran.

I've been to Harem many times, and am generally turned off by it. You want LOUD??? Harem is the King of Loud Music in Monterrey. But, it isn't really comparable to the Villa Gran bars, not in format, not in selection, and not in cost. Salida cost is high, drinks are higher than the Villa Gran bars, and the selection of girls is probably about 3-5 years older than a place like El Infinito, and probably 5-10 years older than a place like Parthenon.

Womens, I have heard of that bar for a number of years. But, I do not believe it was on the original set of Amigomio maps. I recently told Amigomio the same thing, that he was holding out on me. So, he recently took me over there, and I was able to soak it up for a little while. The format at Womens is not really the same as the Villa Gran bars either, and the costs are higher there. In answering my accusation, that he was holding out on me for the last ten years, :-))) Amigomio gave me the excuse that he never chose to frequent it often because it was not conveniently located. And, it is way off our normal beaten path of clubs along Madero and down Villa Gran, making it inconvenient for him.

But, Amigomio, are you going to Womens more frequently now? And, if so, do you know something we don't that brings you out of your little corner of the World and down Lincoln Avenue? :-) Because, when I was there, I thought the selection of girls was kind of bland, and that it resembled a bar like Pasarelas or Azul as far as facilities are concerned.

Member #3453

10-28-09, 15:26

I must answer the charges...Point #1

With respect to Harem, another example of STUPID management, management who believes they know how to market their services. I am not convinced that the young want their ear drums blown out, nor are they interested in not being able to converse with their girls. If so, then the "young" are just stupid. And, I do not believe the young are stupid. I believe the management IS STUPID!!!! And, IT IS!!! They want to sell drinks, privados, SEX? Then make the environment such that you can sell your product. Their product is not LOUD music? They should be using their assets, ie: girls, more effectively. They can't do that if the girls can't ply their trade because the music is so loud neither the client or the girl can talk to one another. Simple business...

If you can't talk to the girls, you are totally handicapped in the application of any kind of reasonable strategy. You can't interview them to determine their viability, nothing. You are sitting there totally silent, or you're screaming your lungs out, only to imagine you're hearing her say "COMO," as she moves her lips, because you really can't hear her, can you? That's the reason I don't like the loud music. Any intelligently thinking monger that's on his game knows what tools are necessary to be successful in a strip club environment. Maybe the inexperience of the young shows, or perhaps some of the young have no expertise at the "game," so the loud music is convenient. Perhaps they know that if they open their mouths, and are heard, they'll just sabotage themselves, and the club imposed silence is virtual bliss for they who are otherwise clueless anyway...who knows?

Lets face it, the excessively loud music is pandering to the excesses of the DJs desire to dominate the strip club environment with his influence. The DJs are almost entities left to their own devices. They are not managed so the environment is conducive to the business of selling drinks and privados, a fault of the manager, and a hindrance to mongering, not a help.

Concerning my own acceptance of Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas...remember, I used to frequent Pasarelas all the time, but the selection there is very iffy. Sometime it has been good, and worth my patronage, and other times, the place has grown stale, mediocre selection, etc...

With respect to all three bars, Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas, all three of them do have girls that would be generally good on salida. But, the bar fine for those clubs is relatively high, ranging, depending on the whim of the managers at the time, between 750 and 800 pesos. I just find that a little prohibitive when you factor in the cost of girls, which seems to run a little higher than what I'm able to achieve elsewhere. So, it all comes back to salida cost, and getting the very best result for the money spent.

Second Point...Concerning my aversion to spending money at Prestige and Obsession.

So, you are hereby recommending, it seems, that visitors to Monterrey go to the high end bars...I don't think so! You accuse me of having prejudice against Prestige and Obsession, and I do, mainly because they're a rip-off in comparison to what I routinely get, and you yourself have always steered me away from spending excessive amounts of money in those bars.

I do understand why you personally spend some money there, for other extra curricular opportunities that result from your investment there. But, for most of us, investing money there without the weekly follow up necessary to close the deal with the girls for outside activities is just a waste of money.

With respect to Obsession, they have apparently become even more mercenary lately, pushing the girls to aggressively drink their drinks quickly, pushing girls on us that we don't want, threatening customers with actual expulsion when they don't order enough drinks for themselves, much less drinks for the girls, and/or spending up to their ridiculous expectations, even being apparently cricitical if you choose to drink a soft drink or agua mineral, sold at a ridiculous price I might ad, making the profitability on said drink the same as if you ordered their watered down whiskey with copious amounts of ice.

It's all about fleecing the customer, and intimidating them, rather than making the environment enticing enough to solicit your willing patronage. At one time, they had a decent buffet, which has declined so considerably that they should be ashamed of it.

I believe the marketing strategy for Obsession is quite contrary to any kind of intelligent business strategy, and it simply demonstrates a lack of business acumen that resides with that specific management, and often within the high end strip club industry in Monterrey. It serves to alienate customers that routinely, week after week, spend money there, lesser amounts than their newly adopted requirements for civil treatment of well established clients seems to be, but regular paying customers.

They have NO RIGHT to be so arrogant. I could understand their philosophy if the tables were full and there was a line out the door of the place. But, they always have a lot of empty tables...always. There is no line out the door, verdad? They charge you cover for the right to eat the buffet, sit for at least an hour, and consume a drink or two without molestation. What justifies their cover charge if one can't sit in their establishment for an hour and drink a water, or Coke Lite? Frankly, I could not stand to sit in Obsession for more than about an hour, were I alone, before wanting to leave due to boredom and food poisoning anyway... :-)))

Am I gettin' to you yet?

Simply put...I will NOT play their extortionistic games.

It is their responsibility to entice me as a customer, and I have too many other options to be dictated to by arrogant managers that prefer to strong arm customers rather than doing their jobs, and motivating their personal to make the environment such that people spend more money within their establishments. They have NO CREATIVITY and/or marketing skills, period. They only understand the underworld sorts of extortionistic tactics that more resemble a criminal enterprise rather than a legitimate business.

Consider this...If a taxi driver is asked by a Gringo visitor, "any hot spots you can take me to?" and they reply with any of the names of the higher end clubs, such as Prestige, Obsession, Premier, Amnesia...you would say that they are making those recommendations to receive kickbacks from the clubs, and then you would advise the visitor against going there, and recommend to them that they not pick any one of them, that the taxi driver is taking them to be fleeced. Right?

So, I personally believe that those clubs are, for the most part, a place to get fleeced, and that there are much better options available, options that many visitors would prefer if they had a clue, not withstanding the money issues I mentioned before. If you have the money, it's fine. But, on my budget, I find them to be a waste in comparision.

If you are very wealthy, and dropping about $500 a night is not something that you're adverse to doing (personally, I break out in hives at the prospect of doing so), then sure, you can have fun in the higher end bars. And, if you told me that you prefer the comfort level there, and that you just don't like the seedy nature of some of the other clubs we frequent, I would say that I can understand those arguments....

But, you must be prepared to drop about $500 bucks in order to experience the same range of experiences you can obtain for about 1200 to 1800 pesos, or less, in some of the other bars we frequent, whether you choose to partake in a salida, or have all your fun on premises. You can have much more fun, with an equal quality of girl, for a lot less, simply because you can also experience the variety that you really can 't experience for the money by patronizing the high end bars.

I agree that many of the visitors that you say liked their experiences at Prestige and Obsession, did indeed like their experiences. But, I would also say they are making assessments from a relatively sheltered point of reference, that being experience in US strip clubs, which as we all know, are not worthy of our patronage compared to any of our low end Monterrey bars. And, many patrons that go there willingly only get a couple of hours in a strip club every 6 months if they're lucky.

Remember, I am saying all of this within the context of money spent. If you like the high end bars, I have no quarrel, only that there is a price to be willingly paid.

I remember when I first came to Monterrey and experienced Prestige and Obsession, they were like I had found Meca. It's all about point of reference, and experience level. I have to admit I like the facilities in Prestige and Obsession, it is comfortable, the music isn't too loud, there are "some" good looking girls...I do NOT like what I get for the price.

I also remember spending no less than $500US in one sitting at Premier. $500.00 fricken hundred bucks, and it happens all the time, to guys that have no experience in Monterrey. Why was I so foolish??? Because simply put, I was a "babe," not having but one prior visit to Monterrey, and no worldly experience whatsoever, just the pitiful experiences to be had within the US strip club system.

Compared to my prior experience in US strip clubs, I thought that Premier represented heaven on earth...We all know at this juncture, that heaven on earth is available for about 1350 pesos, or considerable less than that if you know what you're doing, or if you frequent the MPs, etc...

It all depends on your not being wide eyed and "GaGa" over thinking you died and went to heaven inside the plushness of the higher end clubs.

No no no.

You may not prefer Harem, Womans and Casino, but there are many mongers that do.

Doubt is one of them, specially since he can smoke (YES Doubt, smoke) at Harem and Casino now.

So Harem is loud? Yes, all the LOUD bars are for the young customers.

No, you are off with the age range too.

And Woman's has always been on my Monterrey Google Map.

Woman's format is almost a copy of Harem's

And I haven't been to Woman's in almost a year.

And one of the wrong things that my friend USB tends to imply is, that if he does not like a club, no one else will like it.

A week ago several mongers from Houston and from another forum had one hell of a time with the afternoon Prestige and Obsession girls and the night girls at Poisson.

USB likes neither of these clubs, specially Obsession.

And these guys did not like Infinito at all.

This guys had no trouble spending money, so they get the girls, the good ones and believe me they were not scammed or robbed since I was there with them, but they had no qualms in paying 4000 pesos for a salida at Poisson.

Diversity is high.

Let they guys have fun at which ever club they desire and find fit to spend their money at.

MonterreyDude

10-28-09, 18:42

Harem is loud.... so?

It's full to the brim of girls (40-50) and customers.

That is truely not a sign of stupid management.

We as customers must not lose the perspective that each club will have it's own signature style and we must be able to identify it so we can adapt.

At Harem the girl specialize in asking for "jarras" or drinks in pitchers, plus dances in booths are abundant here.

Girls don't care if a conversation is going on with the customer, they just want the customer to go ga-ga over her and keep the pitchers coming.

Contrary to this, brother club Casino is almost the opposite.
Music is not as loud, here the girls go for individual drinks and dances are not that plentiful.

Womans's operates on the same level of decibles as Harem, but canned beer is the favorite drink of the girls.

Azul Tequila the girls will ask for beers and they will plop themselves in your lap. Or buy a pitcher and a semi private room and semi XXX action will start

Pasarelas, here the word is get the girls drunk. Not that many private dances going on, just fun on the floor.

All the clubs offer a different ticket for a different show.

One has either to adapt or just look for the club that will suit him the best.

I must answer the charges...Point #1

With respect to Harem, another example of STUPID management, management who believes they know how to market their services. I am not convinced that the young want their ear drums blown out, nor are they interested in not being able to converse with their girls. If so, then the "young" are just stupid. And, I do not believe the young are stupid. I believe the management IS STUPID!!!! And, IT IS!!! They want to sell drinks, privados, SEX? Then make the environment such that you can sell your product. Their product is not LOUD music? They should be using their assets, ie: girls, more effectively. They can't do that if the girls can't ply their trade because the music is so loud neither the client or the girl can talk to one another. Simple business...

If you can't talk to the girls, you are totally handicapped in the application of any kind of reasonable strategy. You can't interview them to determine their viability, nothing. You are sitting there totally silent, or you're screaming your lungs out, only to imagine you're hearing her say "COMO," as she moves her lips, because you really can't hear her, can you? That's the reason I don't like the loud music. Any intelligently thinking monger that's on his game knows what tools are necessary to be successful in a strip club environment. Maybe the inexperience of the young shows, or perhaps some of the young have no expertise at the "game," so the loud music is convenient. Perhaps they know that if they open their mouths, and are heard, they'll just sabotage themselves, and the club imposed silence is virtual bliss for they who are otherwise clueless anyway...who knows?

Lets face it, the excessively loud music is pandering to the excesses of the DJs desire to dominate the strip club environment with his influence. The DJs are almost entities left to their own devices. They are not managed so the environment is conducive to the business of selling drinks and privados, a fault of the manager, and a hindrance to mongering, not a help.

Concerning my own acceptance of Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas...remember, I used to frequent Pasarelas all the time, but the selection there is very iffy. Sometime it has been good, and worth my patronage, and other times, the place has grown stale, mediocre selection, etc...

With respect to all three bars, Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas, all three of them do have girls that would be generally good on salida. But, the bar fine for those clubs is relatively high, ranging, depending on the whim of the managers at the time, between 750 and 800 pesos. I just find that a little prohibitive when you factor in the cost of girls, which seems to run a little higher than what I'm able to achieve elsewhere. So, it all comes back to salida cost, and getting the very best result for the money spent.

Second Point...Concerning my aversion to spending money at Prestige and Obsession.

So, you are hereby recommending, it seems, that visitors to Monterrey go to the high end bars...I don't think so! You accuse me of having prejudice against Prestige and Obsession, and I do, mainly because they're a rip-off in comparison to what I routinely get, and you yourself have always steered me away from spending excessive amounts of money in those bars.

I do understand why you personally spend some money there, for other extra curricular opportunities that result from your investment there. But, for most of us, investing money there without the weekly follow up necessary to close the deal with the girls for outside activities is just a waste of money.

With respect to Obsession, they have apparently become even more mercenary lately, pushing the girls to aggressively drink their drinks quickly, pushing girls on us that we don't want, threatening customers with actual expulsion when they don't order enough drinks for themselves, much less drinks for the girls, and/or spending up to their ridiculous expectations, even being apparently cricitical if you choose to drink a soft drink or agua mineral, sold at a ridiculous price I might ad, making the profitability on said drink the same as if you ordered their watered down whiskey with copious amounts of ice.

It's all about fleecing the customer, and intimidating them, rather than making the environment enticing enough to solicit your willing patronage. At one time, they had a decent buffet, which has declined so considerably that they should be ashamed of it.

I believe the marketing strategy for Obsession is quite contrary to any kind of intelligent business strategy, and it simply demonstrates a lack of business acumen that resides with that specific management, and often within the high end strip club industry in Monterrey. It serves to alienate customers that routinely, week after week, spend money there, lesser amounts than their newly adopted requirements for civil treatment of well established clients seems to be, but regular paying customers.

They have NO RIGHT to be so arrogant. I could understand their philosophy if the tables were full and there was a line out the door of the place. But, they always have a lot of empty tables...always. There is no line out the door, verdad? They charge you cover for the right to eat the buffet, sit for at least an hour, and consume a drink or two without molestation. What justifies their cover charge if one can't sit in their establishment for an hour and drink a water, or Coke Lite? Frankly, I could not stand to sit in Obsession for more than about an hour, were I alone, before wanting to leave due to boredom and food poisoning anyway... :-)))

Am I gettin' to you yet?

Simply put...I will NOT play their extortionistic games.

It is their responsibility to entice me as a customer, and I have too many other options to be dictated to by arrogant managers that prefer to strong arm customers rather than doing their jobs, and motivating their personal to make the environment such that people spend more money within their establishments. They have NO CREATIVITY and/or marketing skills, period. They only understand the underworld sorts of extortionistic tactics that more resemble a criminal enterprise rather than a legitimate business.

Consider this...If a taxi driver is asked by a Gringo visitor, "any hot spots you can take me to?" and they reply with any of the names of the higher end clubs, such as Prestige, Obsession, Premier, Amnesia...you would say that they are making those recommendations to receive kickbacks from the clubs, and then you would advise the visitor against going there, and recommend to them that they not pick any one of them, that the taxi driver is taking them to be fleeced. Right?

So, I personally believe that those clubs are, for the most part, a place to get fleeced, and that there are much better options available, options that many visitors would prefer if they had a clue, not withstanding the money issues I mentioned before. If you have the money, it's fine. But, on my budget, I find them to be a waste in comparision.

If you are very wealthy, and dropping about $500 a night is not something that you're adverse to doing (personally, I break out in hives at the prospect of doing so), then sure, you can have fun in the higher end bars. And, if you told me that you prefer the comfort level there, and that you just don't like the seedy nature of some of the other clubs we frequent, I would say that I can understand those arguments....

But, you must be prepared to drop about $500 bucks in order to experience the same range of experiences you can obtain for about 1200 to 1800 pesos, or less, in some of the other bars we frequent, whether you choose to partake in a salida, or have all your fun on premises. You can have much more fun, with an equal quality of girl, for a lot less, simply because you can also experience the variety that you really can 't experience for the money by patronizing the high end bars.

I agree that many of the visitors that you say liked their experiences at Prestige and Obsession, did indeed like their experiences. But, I would also say they are making assessments from a relatively sheltered point of reference, that being experience in US strip clubs, which as we all know, are not worthy of our patronage compared to any of our low end Monterrey bars. And, many patrons that go there willingly only get a couple of hours in a strip club every 6 months if they're lucky.

Remember, I am saying all of this within the context of money spent. If you like the high end bars, I have no quarrel, only that there is a price to be willingly paid.

I remember when I first came to Monterrey and experienced Prestige and Obsession, they were like I had found Meca. It's all about point of reference, and experience level. I have to admit I like the facilities in Prestige and Obsession, it is comfortable, the music isn't too loud, there are "some" good looking girls...I do NOT like what I get for the price.

I also remember spending no less than $500US in one sitting at Premier. $500.00 fricken hundred bucks, and it happens all the time, to guys that have no experience in Monterrey. Why was I so foolish??? Because simply put, I was a "babe," not having but one prior visit to Monterrey, and no worldly experience whatsoever, just the pitiful experiences to be had within the US strip club system.

Compared to my prior experience in US strip clubs, I thought that Premier represented heaven on earth...We all know at this juncture, that heaven on earth is available for about 1350 pesos, or considerable less than that if you know what you're doing, or if you frequent the MPs, etc...

It all depends on your not being wide eyed and "GaGa" over thinking you died and went to heaven inside the plushness of the higher end clubs.

Mextexman

10-28-09, 18:58

Compadre. Mil desculpas. Did not mean to get you in trouble con nuestro amigos. It does show that we do pay attention to your posts and your advice. Maybe one day we can ALL have a cerveza and discuss this face to face. USB does bring up the point about the loud music, but when you do not hear muy bien to begin with like myself. Pues. Maybe I will visit Womens just to check it out. Buen dia.

Adios

Member #3453

10-28-09, 19:37

Sure, no quarrel with you on "each to his own liking." My own opinions are strictly my own. And, each of us has to make up his mind what they like. I did not mean to imply there is particularly a right or wrong from the customer's perspective. I just happen to believe that management shoots themselves in the foot with some of their decisions. Harem is really busy...I have to give you that. But, I think it's in spite of themselves at times, and a credit to the girls, as you said. Who knows, if the girls could use the depths of their charm instead of putting in ear plugs, and being limited to using only their bodies to impress, maybe there would not be an open seat in the house, and a line to get in the place would be forming at the front door, something I have never witnessed there, versus El Infinito, where lines form all the time, and I am frequently shoulder to shoulder with so many hombres scrambling to find a seat.

I know, lets start a comparison like we've been reading on the local Monterrey website, one between El Infinito, arguably the best managed club in the city, compared to all the want to be's.

Don't worry TexMexMan, he's in perpetual trouble with me... :-)))))

One has either to adapt or just look for the club that will suit him the best.

Bbond

10-29-09, 09:33

not mean to imply there is particularly a right or wrong from the customer's perspective.. :-)))))

Don't ever forget that.......... customer's perspective.........that's all you are a "customer"........

Member #3453

10-29-09, 15:48

Well, I don't really know if you're implying that I sometimes enjoy a status as more than just a customer with some of the bars I frequent, or with some of the girls I see, or both. Your comment was unspecific. But, rest assured, I do enjoy a status within some of the bars that provides a level of status that exceeds the treatment of the average "customer."

And, on the other hand, were you referencing my overall philosophy with respect to my relationship with some girls, the very point of my posts are not self congratulatory or self servicing. The point of my posts is to illustrate that all things are possible. Those who actually know me, and the specifics of my circumstances, including my status within the bar scene or with certain girls, are well aware of the distinction between my being a customer or otherwise.

My point in bringing the subject up to begin with is to personally testify to what is possible, assuming those kinds of results are individually desirable. I thoroughly acknowledge "To each his own."

Actually, my perspective on this subject is probably even more cynical than your own. That is, I believe that whether you're in a legitimate relationship or merely a customer, either way, you "pay," and you "give" in order to "get" what you're looking for. I don't see any distinction whether you're dealing with H**KERS, bars, or legitimate "good girl" girlfriends.

I am not viewing the world through rose colored glasses. Just playing the game with my eyes wide open, and achieving my brand of success, according to my own assessment, which is all that really matters anyway. My goal is to experience success to its absolute highest satisfaction level attainable according to my own criteria both with respect to the bars I frequent and the girls I see.

That does not mean there is no cost associated with success, not whether you're in a legitimate relationship with one of them, or whether your viewed by them as a client, or whether you're in a legitimate relationship with a "good girl," and/or dealing with individual personalities within the bar scene.

My methods work well for me, and my satisfaction level is the absolute best it has ever been. That's a personal assessment that each and every one of us has to individually make, and we each employ our own strategy accordingly to get there.

My purpose is to relate my own strategy for consideration. I am totally open to hearing other strategies and other definitions of success. I invite and welcome other perspectives, but I often find that many perspectives do not apply to my own criteria, and/or my own definition of success.

But, it must also be said, that in order for my strategies and results to be successful, the psychology inherent in the girl is really important, whether she is vulnerable to my own desire for a certain outcome. That's why Amigomio regularly accuses me of attracting only certain kinds of girls. He can elaborate on that. But, none the less, those specific kinds of girls open up all kinds of possibilities, and were they not of a certain type, I probably wouldn't really want them, or be satisfied with them anyway.

I find that most mongers are not in tune with my results, and I often find that my comments are often totally misinterpreted because the reader may have no point of reference from which to even remotely understand where I'm coming from.

If that be the case with respect to your warning, I sincerely apologize if I sound naive, or my comments strike some kind of defensive chord for some.

Don't ever forget that.......... customer's perspective.........that's all you are a "customer"........

Member #3453

10-29-09, 21:02

I was contemplating Amigomio's comments last night concerning the distinction between these bars. I concur completely with his assessment.

His IS, most definitely, the very best, most concise, most accurate assessment of each of these clubs, and what distinguishes them from one another, that I have ever seen...

I recommend a full consideration of his comments in making your selection if you come to Monterrey, and also that you thoroughly examine your inner-self in order to know which of these you're likely to have the most fun in based on his assessment.

Excellent Job Amigomio!!!!!

It's full to the brim of girls (40-50) and customers.

At Harem the girl specialize in asking for "jarras" or drinks in pitchers, plus dances in booths are abundant here.

Contrary to this, brother club Casino is almost the opposite.
Music is not as loud, here the girls go for individual drinks and dances are not that plentiful.

Womans's operates on the same level of decibles as Harem, but canned beer is the favorite drink of the girls.

Azul Tequila the girls will ask for beers and they will plop themselves in your lap. Or buy a pitcher and a semi private room and semi XXX action will start

Pasarelas, here the word is get the girls drunk. Not that many private dances going on, just fun on the floor.

All the clubs offer a different ticket for a different show.

One has either to adapt or just look for the club that will suit him the best.

Mextexman

10-30-09, 04:54

I have been thinking about all of the recent posts and quite frankly it is a very individual choice. I come to mty to blow a little steam, am here maybe 8 hours max, so time is of the essence to me. That is why I like harem or el infinito, pace is quicker, girls friskier, get right to the point of the matter. If I lived in mty, then I would probably like casino, slower pace, music not so loud, visit with the girls. Don't get me wrong, I like casino, girls are pretty, but they just happen to move at a slower pace. I was there one night, and there were 30 girls with 30 clients sitting around the stage. Great if your one of the 30 guys, lousy if you are only going to be in town for 8 hours, they just keep ordering beers.

Just my humble opinion.

Member #3453

10-30-09, 15:07

Amigomio routinely chastises me, within the medium level bar scene, for sometimes being a little too impatient, a little too particular, and a little too quick to dismiss girls that I don't believe fit my criteria. He regularly accuses me of targeting what he perceives as the most unattainable of the lot, thereby wasting other opportunities that he perceives as perfectly acceptable candidates for me.

I believe that I actually do frustrate him quite a bit because he always seems a little incredulous when I don't buy one of them a second drink, etc...:-))

I send just them away nicely, making some polite excuse...I do so because I am able to discern their eligibility in a relatively short period of time. But, if you're buying drinks in the medium level bars like Casino, the interviewing process is prolonged sufficiently that you can't just send them away in rapid fire sequence once you've made the determination. In the medium level bars, you're stuck with them for at least 20 minutes each, getting the waiters to bring you la cuenta at the end of the evening, leaving a tip for them, etc...

I can literally visit, and make assessments of candidates in probably three lower end bars in the time it takes to visit one medium level bar. There are times that I have swooped into El Infinito, assessed 3 or 4 candidates in the privados, and moved on to the next bar, all in less than twenty minutes.

Due to the time constraints you mentioned, you sometimes have to "process" volume rather than take the time to thoroughly assess eligibility. For that reason, if you have time constraints like most of us do, there simply isn't a better environment than the lower end bars, where you have scores of girls walking around, where you can cut right to the chase, and you are able to reach a relatively inexpensive, time sensitive conclusion.

Those that live full-time in Monterrey have time on their side. And, while I do spend much more time in Monterrey than most, I am not always there, day in and day out, to "break them down," so to speak. But, fortunately for me, I am there quite often, and for relatively extended periods of time, which acquaints me with huge numbers of girls, and gives me the opportunity to quickly pick up where I left off. But, even with an increased presence, I still usually see the merit in processing volume, which means visiting a lot of lower end bars, doing hit and runs to cut right to the chase.

In my own case, with a GF occupying my time, I've become much more interested in just enjoying the ambiance and relaxation within the medium level bar scene, and my focus on bar fining girls has become secondary. The pressure to "produce" is off. I find myself sufficiently occupied otherwise that my focus on processing volume hasn't been a priority. Therefore, my goal with respect to selecting clubs, and my focus, has sort of changed a little, not so much urgency to process volume, thereby giving me the breathing room to enjoy clubs like Casino more than I ever have in the past, just to relax, buy a drink, kill some time with mis amigos, etc...with no eye toward bar fining them.

Personally, I think that the Amigomio types become a little bored with the lower end bar scene, they wanting a little more social stimulation most of the time, they employing more subtle and calculated strategies to continue enjoying a hobby that may have all but become routine to them were they to concentrate like many of us otherwise have to in such a hit and run fashion in just the austere environment of the lower end bar scene. That isn't to imply that Amigomio doesn't do hit and runs, he does. But, his hit and runs are more akin to the tortoise than the hair, he being able to stop and smell the roses along the way, something that most occasional visitors do not have the luxury to enjoy.

I have been thinking about all of the recent posts and quite frankly it is a very individual choice. I come to mty to blow a little steam, am here maybe 8 hours max, so time is of the essence to me. That is why I like harem or el infinito, pace is quicker, girls friskier, get right to the point of the matter. If I lived in mty, then I would probably like casino, slower pace, music not so loud, visit with the girls. Don't get me wrong, I like casino, girls are pretty, but they just happen to move at a slower pace. I was there one night, and there were 30 girls with 30 clients sitting around the stage. Great if your one of the 30 guys, lousy if you are only going to be in town for 8 hours, they just keep ordering beers.

Just my humble opinion.

Sound7

10-31-09, 16:29

It agree to disagree situation when it comes to location and taste.

Amigomio routinely chastises me, within the medium level bar scene, for sometimes being a little too impatient, a little too particular, and a little too quick to dismiss girls that I don't believe fit my criteria. He regularly accuses me of targeting what he perceives as the most unattainable of the lot, thereby wasting other opportunities that he perceives as perfectly acceptable candidates for me.

I believe that I actually do frustrate him quite a bit because he always seems a little incredulous when I don't buy one of them a second drink, etc...:-))

I send just them away nicely, making some polite excuse...I do so because I am able to discern their eligibility in a relatively short period of time. But, if you're buying drinks in the medium level bars like Casino, the interviewing process is prolonged sufficiently that you can't just send them away in rapid fire sequence once you've made the determination. In the medium level bars, you're stuck with them for at least 20 minutes each, getting the waiters to bring you la cuenta at the end of the evening, leaving a tip for them, etc...

I can literally visit, and make assessments of candidates in probably three lower end bars in the time it takes to visit one medium level bar. There are times that I have swooped into El Infinito, assessed 3 or 4 candidates in the privados, and moved on to the next bar, all in less than twenty minutes.

Due to the time constraints you mentioned, you sometimes have to "process" volume rather than take the time to thoroughly assess eligibility. For that reason, if you have time constraints like most of us do, there simply isn't a better environment than the lower end bars, where you have scores of girls walking around, where you can cut right to the chase, and you are able to reach a relatively inexpensive, time sensitive conclusion.

Those that live full-time in Monterrey have time on their side. And, while I do spend much more time in Monterrey than most, I am not always there, day in and day out, to "break them down," so to speak. But, fortunately for me, I am there quite often, and for relatively extended periods of time, which acquaints me with huge numbers of girls, and gives me the opportunity to quickly pick up where I left off. But, even with an increased presence, I still usually see the merit in processing volume, which means visiting a lot of lower end bars, doing hit and runs to cut right to the chase.

In my own case, with a GF occupying my time, I've become much more interested in just enjoying the ambiance and relaxation within the medium level bar scene, and my focus on bar fining girls has become secondary. The pressure to "produce" is off. I find myself sufficiently occupied otherwise that my focus on processing volume hasn't been a priority. Therefore, my goal with respect to selecting clubs, and my focus, has sort of changed a little, not so much urgency to process volume, thereby giving me the breathing room to enjoy clubs like Casino more than I ever have in the past, just to relax, buy a drink, kill some time with mis amigos, etc...with no eye toward bar fining them.

Personally, I think that the Amigomio types become a little bored with the lower end bar scene, they wanting a little more social stimulation most of the time, they employing more subtle and calculated strategies to continue enjoying a hobby that may have all but become routine to them were they to concentrate like many of us otherwise have to in such a hit and run fashion in just the austere environment of the lower end bar scene. That isn't to imply that Amigomio doesn't do hit and runs, he does. But, his hit and runs are more akin to the tortoise than the hair, he being able to stop and smell the roses along the way, something that most occasional visitors do not have the luxury to enjoy.

MonterreyDude

10-31-09, 18:08

I don't get bored with the working class clubs.

Kind of exciting once in while.

Two weeks ago changed came around Infinito when one of the young veteran girls just came up to me and ordered me to take her to a privado, which I was caught of guard and accepted.

Last weekend she repeated this and we spent one hour at the privados doing the wild thing.

Coming down I was corraled by 2 of my gfs demanding where the hell I was hiding all that time.
I went there yesterday and one of them poped from nowhere and demanded some privado time.
She cornered me upstairs at the booth, and gave me a F/S freebie (of course I paid her... not charging a customer is a double end knife. It's their way to get us under their control).

NOOOOoooooo!

I love the lower end bar scene.... that's where I learned to expect the unexpected!!!

Amigomio routinely chastises me, within the medium level bar scene, for sometimes being a little too impatient, a little too particular, and a little too quick to dismiss girls that I don't believe fit my criteria. He regularly accuses me of targeting what he perceives as the most unattainable of the lot, thereby wasting other opportunities that he perceives as perfectly acceptable candidates for me.

I believe that I actually do frustrate him quite a bit because he always seems a little incredulous when I don't buy one of them a second drink, etc...:-))

I send just them away nicely, making some polite excuse...I do so because I am able to discern their eligibility in a relatively short period of time. But, if you're buying drinks in the medium level bars like Casino, the interviewing process is prolonged sufficiently that you can't just send them away in rapid fire sequence once you've made the determination. In the medium level bars, you're stuck with them for at least 20 minutes each, getting the waiters to bring you la cuenta at the end of the evening, leaving a tip for them, etc...

I can literally visit, and make assessments of candidates in probably three lower end bars in the time it takes to visit one medium level bar. There are times that I have swooped into El Infinito, assessed 3 or 4 candidates in the privados, and moved on to the next bar, all in less than twenty minutes.

Due to the time constraints you mentioned, you sometimes have to "process" volume rather than take the time to thoroughly assess eligibility. For that reason, if you have time constraints like most of us do, there simply isn't a better environment than the lower end bars, where you have scores of girls walking around, where you can cut right to the chase, and you are able to reach a relatively inexpensive, time sensitive conclusion.

Those that live full-time in Monterrey have time on their side. And, while I do spend much more time in Monterrey than most, I am not always there, day in and day out, to "break them down," so to speak. But, fortunately for me, I am there quite often, and for relatively extended periods of time, which acquaints me with huge numbers of girls, and gives me the opportunity to quickly pick up where I left off. But, even with an increased presence, I still usually see the merit in processing volume, which means visiting a lot of lower end bars, doing hit and runs to cut right to the chase.

In my own case, with a GF occupying my time, I've become much more interested in just enjoying the ambiance and relaxation within the medium level bar scene, and my focus on bar fining girls has become secondary. The pressure to "produce" is off. I find myself sufficiently occupied otherwise that my focus on processing volume hasn't been a priority. Therefore, my goal with respect to selecting clubs, and my focus, has sort of changed a little, not so much urgency to process volume, thereby giving me the breathing room to enjoy clubs like Casino more than I ever have in the past, just to relax, buy a drink, kill some time with mis amigos, etc...with no eye toward bar fining them.

Personally, I think that the Amigomio types become a little bored with the lower end bar scene, they wanting a little more social stimulation most of the time, they employing more subtle and calculated strategies to continue enjoying a hobby that may have all but become routine to them were they to concentrate like many of us otherwise have to in such a hit and run fashion in just the austere environment of the lower end bar scene. That isn't to imply that Amigomio doesn't do hit and runs, he does. But, his hit and runs are more akin to the tortoise than the hair, he being able to stop and smell the roses along the way, something that most occasional visitors do not have the luxury to enjoy.

Doubt98

11-01-09, 15:03

I think you might be on to something Amigomio. I believe you have inadvertently summed up something I have been thinking about for several years. When you mentioned that in the lower end bars the fun is "expecting the unexpected." That is true. That is the fun there. Anything can happen and if you hang around long enough it will.

The upper end clubs are very predictable in what goes on. Not that there are no surprises at all, just fewer. But if you pay enough, anything can happen. The same ending is possible in both places, just the route arriving there is different.

I happen to enjoy the lower end clubs because you are hunting for the "diamond in the rough." At the upper end clubs, you are not guaranteed a diamond but a lot of the flakey, weird, or even crazy ones have been weeded out by the management. Not that this is a perfect analogy but it does seem consistent. I have seen girls in the lower end clubs and wondered why there weren't in the better clubs. I have also seen girls in the upper end clubs and wondered how in the hell did they get here? Maybe someone can explain that? I mean, if a girl walks into a club to apply for a job, no one knows her, and she dresses the part, would they be able to tell where she came from? From what caste she was? I don't believe for a minute she could come across as from the top echelons of society but couldn't she move up a rung or two?

Member #3453

11-01-09, 18:39

I've concluded that it's often the girl's decision to initially work at a particular bar, more so than it's the bar's decision to hire them based on any "match" that the bar management may perceive exists. I believe the girls choose to work where they believe they will be comfortable (ie: among friends, lighting considerations, work hours, comfort level, type of clients, type of environment, etc...).

To illustrate, I've seen girls that I wondered how bar management would have believed that a particular girl had any chance in hell of being successful (ie: fat, ugly, older, etc...). But, there they are. And, they are sometimes there year after year.

So, the bar management is either on par with Albert Einstein with respect to selection of girls, or they are simply lucky with respect to some of the girls that apply to them, are physically unattractive, subsequently agree to work there, and are subsequently successful.

With some of the girls that last contrary to the odds against them, it truly is a tribute to the charm of their personalities, and the range of their sexual prowess. In those cases, I believe that the wisdom of bar management in the selection process has no part to play in the success they ultimately enjoy from girls that we would think, from all outward appearances, have everything going against them with respect to potential for success.

The bar management's strategy? Throw as much mud at the wall as possible, and some is likely to stick...

I have seen girls in the lower end clubs and wondered why there weren't in the better clubs. I have also seen girls in the upper end clubs and wondered how in the hell did they get here?

MonterreyDude

11-01-09, 22:08

Damn... both friends USB and D98 are still trying to find the logic of how things work at clubs, from their point of view.

How many times both of you guys must be reminded that the House will accept any girl as long as it makes money for them?

You guys don't come that much to Monterrey so you lose track of the girls, but I constantly see them come and go, girls that last as long as a day and girls that adapt so well to the club and become hard veterans that will stay, but now the other way around, as long as they not the House, can make money at the club.

And the kind of girl, the type... the caste.

Yes, you don't notice, but we do.

Any girl from the upper tier clubs can work at the lower ones, but they don't, cause the girls can make much more money at the upper class ones without breaking the sweat that girls at the lower class clubs have too.

Contrary to that, and yes, we Mexicans can notice the diference in girls, the lower class club girls will not be accepted by management cause they are not of the "class" of the 5 star club (or 4 star club).

And even worse, the customers of the 4 or 5 star club WIL NOT accept the girl.
You see, mainly it's not management, it's the customers that define who or what stays at the club.

At the 4 or 5 star clubs, customers are upper middle to high class, looking for great looking girls. Girls that don't look like the maids that work at home.

At places like Infinito, customers are working class guys. They get the caste that's one or 2 notches below the 4 or 5 star clubs.

Of course they want great looking girls. Great looking cheap girls, but that does not include the kind working at places like Amensia, Prestige or Obsession on the night shifts.

Lets say you compare side by side a girl, lets say, just as an example, Adriana from Prestige and Denisse from Infinito.

Both great girls, but you'll see vast diferences in skin, facelines, ethnic marks, etc.

Many guys don't, cause again, you lose track of the girls, you don't pay attention to the girls you don't want or like, you simply don't care, which is a customers prerogative and well done, cause you don't have the time to spend on these kind of things.

What I don't get... WHY DON'T YOU GUYS BELEIVE ME!!!!!!

LOL, I have pointed out this many times, for years and we are still stuck in square 2!!!!

I've concluded that it's often the girl's decision to initially work at a particular bar, more so than it's the bar's decision to hire them based on any "match" that the bar management may perceive exists. I believe the girls choose to work where they believe they will be comfortable (ie: among friends, lighting considerations, work hours, comfort level, type of clients, type of environment, etc...).

To illustrate, I've seen girls that I wondered how bar management would have believed that a particular girl had any chance in hell of being successful (ie: fat, ugly, older, etc...). But, there they are. And, they are sometimes there year after year.

So, the bar management is either on par with Albert Einstein with respect to selection of girls, or they are simply lucky with respect to some of the girls that apply to them, are physically unattractive, subsequently agree to work there, and are subsequently successful.

With some of the girls that last contrary to the odds against them, it truly is a tribute to the charm of their personalities, and the range of their sexual prowess. In those cases, I believe that the wisdom of bar management in the selection process has no part to play in the success they ultimately enjoy from girls that we would think, from all outward appearances, have everything going against them with respect to potential for success.

The bar management's strategy? Throw as much mud at the wall as possible, and some is likely to stick...

Member #3453

11-02-09, 04:44

Mainly, I think we mostly agree...I DO, REALLY, I DOOOOOOO accept your point of view concerning the cast system, and all of its influence upon the "WHY" certain things are the way they are.

But, I still say that the girls make the decision about where they're going to work, all be it with an eye toward their perception of their own success as it relates to where they fit within the cast system. For surely, they must know their place and apply for those jobs accordingly then, right?

One thing you're right about though. If I may be so bold...Speaking for us all, we Gringos, we do not see the distinction between the Morenas in one club, say Prestige, and the Morenas we see in El Infinito for example.

We do not see it, never have, never will. I've found girls from the lower cast in Prestige, and they don't look any different to me than the girls in El Infinito from the same social strata. I have eyes, I can see...

I can see the skin tone, the facial features, the ethnic influences of your Mexican indians, etc...I can see it. The management in the clubs may attempt to make selection based on cast, but they still hire girls from outside their lofty ideals it seems because I see them working there.

That doesn't mean that I do not take your word that such a distinction exists, and that it's quite evident to most Mexicans, or that it has a direct influence on which girl is popular or not.

With your cast system firmly entrenched, you have told me that certain girls from the lower cast are still considered Divas, and quite popular none the less, even with their lower cast facial bone structures, their dark brown skin, their dark black hair, etc...

Because, you know what I say? HOT is HOT is HOT is HOT!!! Period...And, cast system or not, certain girls can, and do, transcend the cast system to be successful in spite of their ethnic origins.

Frankly, I say, THANK GOD such a system exists in your country. It has produced such opportunities for me in the clubs, you would not believe it. Because, one thing I have learned, and one thing I do see quite vividly is that being a Gringo is the number ONE advantage evident to me from your cast system, other than having lots of money perhaps.

My Gringo heritage affords me automatic status and eligibility within your system, built-in desirability where I am otherwise virtually ignored in a world of Bitchy Gringas.

That is the first lesson you learn in Mexico as a newbie Gringo. You receive automatic status, automatic horny sexual interest, automatic respect, and automatic, almost unlimited access to so many Mexican girls, and especially with certain ones that are so obviously smitten with us due to the effects upon them from your cast system.

I am humbly and eternally in Mexico's debt. Muchas Gracias Mexico...

Damn... both friends USB and D98 are still trying to find the logic of how things work at clubs, from their point of view.

How many times both of you guys must be reminded that the House will accept any girl as long as it makes money for them?

You guys don't come that much to Monterrey so you lose track of the girls, but I constantly see them come and go, girls that last as long as a day and girls that adapt so well to the club and become hard veterans that will stay, but now the other way around, as long as they not the House, can make money at the club.

And the kind of girl, the type... the caste.

Yes, you don't notice, but we do.

Any girl from the upper tier clubs can work at the lower ones, but they don't, cause the girls can make much more money at the upper class ones without breaking the sweat that girls at the lower class clubs have too.

Contrary to that, and yes, we Mexicans can notice the diference in girls, the lower class club girls will not be accepted by management cause they are not of the "class" of the 5 star club (or 4 star club).

And even worse, the customers of the 4 or 5 star club WIL NOT accept the girl.
You see, mainly it's not management, it's the customers that define who or what stays at the club.

At the 4 or 5 star clubs, customers are upper middle to high class, looking for great looking girls. Girls that don't look like the maids that work at home.

At places like Infinito, customers are working class guys. They get the caste that's one or 2 notches below the 4 or 5 star clubs.

Of course they want great looking girls. Great looking cheap girls, but that does not include the kind working at places like Amensia, Prestige or Obsession on the night shifts.

Lets say you compare side by side a girl, lets say, just as an example, Adriana from Prestige and Denisse from Infinito.

Both great girls, but you'll see vast diferences in skin, facelines, ethnic marks, etc.

Many guys don't, cause again, you lose track of the girls, you don't pay attention to the girls you don't want or like, you simply don't care, which is a customers prerogative and well done, cause you don't have the time to spend on these kind of things.

What I don't get... WHY DON'T YOU GUYS BELEIVE ME!!!!!!

LOL, I have pointed out this many times, for years and we are still stuck in square 2!!!!

El Cabron 007

11-02-09, 20:14

Totally off. I do not agree. Why?

Because you are a gringo, you only think as a gringo. You are right that this gives you/us some advantage in that it intrigues the girls. But hold on just a minute gringo:

you do not set with the locals. Those cabrones in the clubs. The players, the real players. Don't forget Bob, you are classified as a gringo who is tight. Where as there are those local cabrones that spend like there is no tomorrow. There are the not so rich locals that screw 10 girls in a single visit. There is that Amigo Mio who has a lineup of girls in every club. Those girls will drop everything to jump on Amigo Mio's horney bone.

You, being the gringo, are gentle with the girls. Yes, you are nice. But those putas do not want a gentle fly by night soft gringo with cookies. They want the cabron that pulls them by the hair and shows them where to blow. Call her fat and ugly and she will cling on to you like you were the last man on earth. Yes. The nice girls and the nasty ones as well. Mexican girls want a carbon, not a lindo.

You need to hang out with those locals. Then, and only then, you will learn that you have been living in your own world thinking you are the gift those girls have been dreaming of.

Nope, you are a hell of a nice gringo and they love you for that. But the gringo you are not, and will never be, is when you tell one chica to bring you another because she will not do what the other will.

El Cabron

One thing you're right about though. If I may be so bold...Speaking for us all, we Gringos, we do not see the distinction between the Morenas in one club, say Prestige, and the Morenas we see in El Infinito for example.

We do not see it, never have, never will. I've found girls from the lower cast in Prestige, and they don't look any different to me than the girls in El Infinito from the same social strata. I have eyes, I can see...

I am humbly and eternally in Mexico's debt. Muchas Gracias Mexico...

Member #3453

11-03-09, 01:59

Definition of Gringo...

"Gringo is a Spanish word used in Mexico and other parts of Latin America, generally to denote people from the United States. The term can be applied to any person who is known, or assumed to be, from the United States regardless of race, or it can denote a strong association or assimilation into American society and culture. Recorded evidence suggests it was used in Spain long before it crossed the Atlantic to denote foreign, non-native speakers of Spanish. Although it has various anecdotal etymologies, and various connotative or interpretive meanings, its source appears to be "griego", the Spanish word for "a Greek person" that serves as a colloquial shorthand for any foreign (non-Spanish) person."

So, yes, I am most definitely a Gringo...I am a Gringo that's not so naive as to be conned by those putas. I hang on to my dough, and they play hell conning me out of it. And, if they do get it out of me, they've definitely earned it. So, whom is the wiser, they or me?

Yes, I think like a Gringo because I am a Gringo. And, as a Gringo, I am having it my way, or it ain't happenin,' verdad? We Gringos truly are stubborn and demanding. We have a worldwide reputation to uphold. We Americans are the Cabrons of the world.

And, the hell those putas don't want my cookies!!!! You should have heard them when the well ran dry on Friday. Amigomio had to put them all on suicide watch over at Obsession.

Amigomio, do they want the cookies? :-)))

Watch what you say....I see, Noooooooooo???? Well then, NO MORE COOKIES for las putas!!! :-))) See how that one goes over, verdad? :-)))

El Cabron, you have not tasted my lastest cookie, a NEW ONE, completely different than the previous genre...one that I just introduced to those despicable putas this week, and to Amigomio of course, the most despicable, cabronish, puta-iser of them all.

And, you have not heard of my most recent triumph El Cabron...Home-made, delicious pizza, from scratch...really...the dough, the sauce, three kinds of cheeses, blended to form a culinary delight. Magnificent! And, even locally made, including locally made home-made cookies these days, right there in Monterrey, made right there in our own kitchen...made exclusively by you know who with me supervising.

So, now you know...It has come to this, making pizzas, delivering cookies to Putas/Amigomio. How things have deteriorated. I am almost completely domesticated now, hen pecked, shuckin' & jivin,' scratching around just to hopefully get a little in between slaving over a hot oven. What a pitty. I need a vacation...maybe Asia with Porker one of these days, who knows?

NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU EL CABRON!!! :-)))

Totally off. I do not agree. Why?

Because you are a gringo, you only think as a gringo. You are right that this gives you/us some advantage in that it intrigues the girls. But hold on just a minute gringo:

you do not set with the locals. Those cabrones in the clubs. The players, the real players. Don't forget Bob, you are classified as a gringo who is tight. Where as there are those local cabrones that spend like there is no tomorrow. There are the not so rich locals that screw 10 girls in a single visit. There is that Amigo Mio who has a lineup of girls in every club. Those girls will drop everything to jump on Amigo Mio's horney bone.

You, being the gringo, are gentle with the girls. Yes, you are nice. But those putas do not want a gentle fly by night soft gringo with cookies. They want the cabron that pulls them by the hair and shows them where to blow. Call her fat and ugly and she will cling on to you like you were the last man on earth. Yes. The nice girls and the nasty ones as well. Mexican girls want a carbon, not a lindo.

You need to hang out with those locals. Then, and only then, you will learn that you have been living in your own world thinking you are the gift those girls have been dreaming of.

Nope, you are a hell of a nice gringo and they love you for that. But the gringo you are not, and will never be, is when you tell one chica to bring you another because she will not do what the other will.

El Cabron

MonterreyDude

11-03-09, 08:55

Notice that we are talking "pizza".

Well, let me tell you guys that one of ElCabron's girls (I think she was one of his), the R girl, jumped me coming out of the little boy's room.

(By the way, ElCabron, the "D" girl from the night shift is trying to make up with me, with graphical images of what I used to do to her).

Told me to take her upstairs.... wave her off and went with one of my favoritas.

Saw her at the line-up, decided to take her up.

Wonderful sex.

Week after that she wanted a reprise.

I paid the formidable number of 16 (!!!) privados, that is 64 minutes of sex, non stop with the R girl.

Went down, went to the mens room (now it's the MEN room), and coming out I bump into to of my alternate girls, both demanding where the hell I was.

Just acted dumb, told them I had no money and left.

Damn if the new and expanded Infinito is a place to expect the unexpected.

Definition of Gringo...

"Gringo is a Spanish word used in Mexico and other parts of Latin America, generally to denote people from the United States. The term can be applied to any person who is known, or assumed to be, from the United States regardless of race, or it can denote a strong association or assimilation into American society and culture. Recorded evidence suggests it was used in Spain long before it crossed the Atlantic to denote foreign, non-native speakers of Spanish. Although it has various anecdotal etymologies, and various connotative or interpretive meanings, its source appears to be "griego", the Spanish word for "a Greek person" that serves as a colloquial shorthand for any foreign (non-Spanish) person."

So, yes, I am most definitely a Gringo...I am a Gringo that's not so naive as to be conned by those putas. I hang on to my dough, and they play hell conning me out of it. And, if they do get it out of me, they've definitely earned it. So, whom is the wiser, they or me?

Yes, I think like a Gringo because I am a Gringo. And, as a Gringo, I am having it my way, or it ain't happenin,' verdad? We Gringos truly are stubborn and demanding. We have a worldwide reputation to uphold. We Americans are the Cabrons of the world.

And, the hell those putas don't want my cookies!!!! You should have heard them when the well ran dry on Friday. Amigomio had to put them all on suicide watch over at Obsession.

Amigomio, do they want the cookies? :-)))

Watch what you say....I see, Noooooooooo???? Well then, NO MORE COOKIES for las putas!!! :-))) See how that one goes over, verdad? :-)))

El Cabron, you have not tasted my lastest cookie, a NEW ONE, completely different than the previous genre...one that I just introduced to those despicable putas this week, and to Amigomio of course, the most despicable, cabronish, puta-iser of them all.

And, you have not heard of my most recent triumph El Cabron...Home-made, delicious pizza, from scratch...really...the dough, the sauce, three kinds of cheeses, blended to form a culinary delight. Magnificent! And, even locally made, including locally made home-made cookies these days, right there in Monterrey, made right there in our own kitchen...made exclusively by you know who with me supervising.

So, now you know...It has come to this, making pizzas, delivering cookies to Putas/Amigomio. How things have deteriorated. I am almost completely domesticated now, hen pecked, shuckin' & jivin,' scratching around just to hopefully get a little in between slaving over a hot oven. What a pitty. I need a vacation...maybe Asia with Porker one of these days, who knows?

NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU EL CABRON!!! :-)))

El Cabron 007

11-03-09, 21:02

And there you have it. The definition of a Cabron vs a sweetheart gringo.

You, Bob, either miss the point completely or just play " la la lalala" .. we are not talking "feed the birds". We are not talking "petting zoo". We are talking sex club .. we are talking "take the b8ch upstairs, turn her around and screw her brains out". We are talking We are talking "Jaras coming up looking for me asking if I was on a marathon".

Who is the R girl?

Out of all the girls at El Infi, Crunch S was my favorite. And so was Slutty S ... no, Slutty S had the hots for Crunchy S. Slutty S loved taking me upstairs with Crunchy S. Crunchy S never had a girl but melted in the arms of Slutty S. Until, of course, Amigo Mio sent Sweet P to look for me upstairs and caught me with my pants down, Crunchy S facing the wall, Slutty S fingering ... well ... use your imagination and you will not be far off.

Back to you Bob. There is a whole new world in the clubs that you do not see because you are in the company of yourself. Forget G girl and forget Hybrid GFE. I am talking jumping into el info and having the waiters kick 4 dudes out of my table then 10 putas setting with you each competing to be your prize for the night. Amigo Mio's girl at Prestige French kissing me when he turns his back. Challenging Amigo Mio if I can take his all-time favorita home and she, in his face, says yes. Then he dumps her and hides all his girls from me. he has not introduced me to any of his girls in over 2 years. We are talking Amigo Mio, Mr. L and I sharing a hotel room with our girls and me having to see his ugly naked butt.

We are talking Mr. L saying "hey, your girl has nice nalgas" and me, in a heartbeat, switching girls.

We are talking Mr. L not finding anyone to his liking at the club. Not a problem, take mine.

That's some of the Cabronish attitude you will never see in MTY because you are in the company of the gringo Bob.

El Cabron

Notice that we are talking "pizza".

Well, let me tell you guys that one of ElCabron's girls (I think she was one of his), the R girl, jumped me coming out of the little boy's room.

(By the way, ElCabron, the "D" girl from the night shift is trying to make up with me, with graphical images of what I used to do to her).

Told me to take her upstairs.... wave her off and went with one of my favoritas.

Saw her at the line-up, decided to take her up.

Wonderful sex.

Week after that she wanted a reprise.

I paid the formidable number of 16 (!!!) privados, that is 64 minutes of sex, non stop with the R girl.

Went down, went to the mens room (now it's the MEN room), and coming out I bump into to of my alternate girls, both demanding where the hell I was.

Just acted dumb, told them I had no money and left.

Damn if the new and expanded Infinito is a place to expect the unexpected.

Member #3453

11-04-09, 02:01

Here's the time line...

Make pizza, maybe a few galletas, between about 12:00 noon, to maybe 6-7pm. Enjoying the domesticated life...having fun, building upon something really, really good, and something that has proved to be so worthwhile and rewarding over the last five years. And, literally, I would not trade that for all the girls in El Infinito crammed into my hotel room at the same time, buck naked...Uhmmmm, well, maybe I wouldn't trade it...

You know how boring Monterrey is during the day. Except for my time at the buffets with Carlos? It is !!!EXCRUCIATINGLY!!! boring otherwise.

You see, strictly from the theoretical perspective, if I were of the mind to do otherwise, I am virtually free after 11pm each night. Face it, the bars don't even get rolling until after 11pm, right?

Now, what do you think I am doing between about 11pm and 4am-sometimes 5am? Uhmmmm???

I don't disclose the specifics here. I have learned my lesson. NO ONE knows...Not you, not the board, not even Carlos...

That's right, I'm in bed certainly...You think I'm asleep? Maybe, maybe not...

But, rest assured, I am not in some uncomfortable, back breaking, chair in El Infinito for 60 minutes buying some puta privados, which by my conservative estimate, would be costing the average patron at least $750 pesos in 4 minute songs (ie: 50 pesos x 15 privados = 60 minutes = 750 pesos), then at least 400-800 more pesos for "extras." A grand total of 1550 pesos. But, to be fair, I'll assume a conservative estimate of 1150 pesos (400 pesos for extras at the El Cabron discount).

Now, if I were, and I'm not saying I was, in bed, I would be in bed at my hotel for at least, and I mean the very least, 2 hours, to the tune of 1350 pesos, max, no "extras" cost, nada...

So, taken in the privados at a rate of 19 pesos per minute at El Infinito, or taken in my own "beddy by" at a rate of 22.5 pesos per minute...that's, count-em, 3.5 pesos more per minute to have total comfort and complete and total control of all circumstances, verdad?

And, not only that, but it is just quite possible that under the right conditions, the right GFE, the moon is full, the radio waves from mars are coming in loud in clear, whatever, that the two hour limit can turn into much, much longer a time, all for the SAME PRICE or less than those who choose to develop ruptured discs in the privados of El Infinito!

As for rubbing asses with El Cabron and Mr. L...no offense, none taken I'm sure, but I will pass on that exchange of intimacy. I'll do it my way, gracias... :-)))

And that, my goooood friends, is...

TOUCHET!!! :-)))

And there you have it. The definition of a Cabron vs a sweetheart gringo.

You, Bob, either miss the point completely or just play " la la lalala" .. we are not talking "feed the birds". We are not talking "petting zoo". We are talking sex club .. we are talking "take the b8ch upstairs, turn her around and screw her brains out". We are talking We are talking "Jaras coming up looking for me asking if I was on a marathon".

Who is the R girl?

Out of all the girls at El Infi, Crunch S was my favorite. And so was Slutty S ... no, Slutty S had the hots for Crunchy S. Slutty S loved taking me upstairs with Crunchy S. Crunchy S never had a girl but melted in the arms of Slutty S. Until, of course, Amigo Mio sent Sweet P to look for me upstairs and caught me with my pants down, Crunchy S facing the wall, Slutty S fingering ... well ... use your imagination and you will not be far off.

Back to you Bob. There is a whole new world in the clubs that you do not see because you are in the company of yourself. Forget G girl and forget Hybrid GFE. I am talking jumping into el info and having the waiters kick 4 dudes out of my table then 10 putas setting with you each competing to be your prize for the night. Amigo Mio's girl at Prestige French kissing me when he turns his back. Challenging Amigo Mio if I can take his all-time favorita home and she, in his face, says yes. Then he dumps her and hides all his girls from me. he has not introduced me to any of his girls in over 2 years. We are talking Amigo Mio, Mr. L and I sharing a hotel room with our girls and me having to see his ugly naked butt.

We are talking Mr. L saying "hey, your girl has nice nalgas" and me, in a heartbeat, switching girls.

We are talking Mr. L not finding anyone to his liking at the club. Not a problem, take mine.

That's some of the Cabronish attitude you will never see in MTY because you are in the company of the gringo Bob.

El Cabron

El Cabron 007

11-04-09, 08:33

touché this ... :-)

man, you have not changed a bit... still driving me nuts brancing off the issue and leading the conversation to ... well .. no where ...

bob, you started by analyzing the girls. you were sounding like the gringo expert who knows what the girls want and how they do it. now you want to tell me what 'you' do in the midnight hours .... no man. we are still talking putas in a sex club ... not a sweetheart gringo.

back to my point ... you do not see the real stage. you see the el gringo bob stage. and that, my friends, it your own creation and your own imagination.

x-girl was raped at the age of 10. sweet p was abandoned with 3 children. crunchy s wanted to buy a house for her mother. tania wanted to go to college. x-girl married her lesbian she-husband who supported her studies. she hated smelly drunk men ... and on and on and on. young girls, pobres, fools are working the clubs only to give all their money to their pimps. other cry every night wondering what tell they will tell their children about life. others quit to shack up with a gringo who gives them the good life only to disappear in a us jail for a couple of years returning to a wife and child ....

cabrones like us feed this "life".

and that, my good friends, is ... touché

what are your plans for december? i am thinking 3rd weekend ... maybe.

and that, my goooood friends, is...

touchet!!! :-)))

MonterreyDude

11-04-09, 09:05

damn if we are still talking pizza here.

nope... we don't pay attention to their lives.

if we would, we wouldn't do what we do to them.

specially you guys, not elcabron that has her girl on a totally different relationship than the ones he had before over here in monterrey.

elcabron is trying to make a little diference, even if its only one girl.

by the way, sweet p has retired, s is long gone, x no longer talks to me (again), t is no longer at el infi.

new generation of girls coming along.

am going to sound rough, but am looking forward to new horizons.
nevermind the girls that are gone now.

am looking foward for the new girls.

touché this ... :-)

man, you have not changed a bit... still driving me nuts brancing off the issue and leading the conversation to ... well .. no where ...

bob, you started by analyzing the girls. you were sounding like the gringo expert who knows what the girls want and how they do it. now you want to tell me what 'you' do in the midnight hours .... no man. we are still talking putas in a sex club ... not a sweetheart gringo.

back to my point ... you do not see the real stage. you see the el gringo bob stage. and that, my friends, it your own creation and your own imagination.

x-girl was raped at the age of 10. sweet p was abandoned with 3 children. crunchy s wanted to buy a house for her mother. tania wanted to go to college. x-girl married her lesbian she-husband who supported her studies. she hated smelly drunk men ... and on and on and on. young girls, pobres, fools are working the clubs only to give all their money to their pimps. other cry every night wondering what tell they will tell their children about life. others quit to shack up with a gringo who gives them the good life only to disappear in a us jail for a couple of years returning to a wife and child ....

cabrones like us feed this "life".

and that, my good friends, is ... touché

what are your plans for december? i am thinking 3rd weekend ... maybe.

Member #3453

11-04-09, 14:40

i am not leading the conversation nowhere...i am leading it in circles. :-)))

first, with respect to what i do, or don't do, in the bars, that was presented hypothetically to demonstrate that what is "real" between us and them, and what is fantasy have little to do with one another.

my point was that were i so inclined, i am free to prowl the clubs at night. and, if i do, usually it's to sit in the bar and to strictly socialize with them, and not much else. because, literally, what i have for "real" is so totally sufficient for me, that i am not really typically interested in bar fining them. this is a realization that one simply can't just turn off and on. you're either satiated or not. literally, there are times that i am simply so satiated with my girl, that i really couldn't care less otherwise.

amigomio is right...we are making a difference in the pitiful lives of at least two of them. we can't save the world, so we have each selected one that has touched us more deeply than all the rest, and made a difference in their lives, taken them under our wing, and let them into our hearts.

we know a ton of girls, verdad? so, that's a testament to their uniqueness. each of us feels that our own girls deserve our "special" consideration, and we have responded accordingly to that uniqueness.

the rest of them do not deserve our special consideration because we do not feel compelled. they are not unique according to our terms. our girls know we are sincere with them, and that we truly believe in their uniqueness. my theory? that's why our girls know we are for "real," and it's the single biggest influence upon them that makes us "real" for them.

both, you and amigomio are correct, that is...i do not advocate getting to know the girls on a personal level, unless you see something in them that distinguishes them so substantially from the rest, that you "feel" the motivation to take it beyond mongering. i agree that it's wisest, and also more fun, less expensive, less work, etc...to isolate yourself, just as they isolate themselves.

but, conversely, if you find one where the chemistry is right, the personalities click, the friendships blossom, etc...then, expect for an escalation to it becoming "real." but, be warned, it is not only extremely rewarding, but also simultaneously painful, because, afterall, it is "real" and life ain't easy. and, to go even further, what is "real" is not mongering...

so, monger on or make it "real," or both. one has little to do with the other.

and, finally, your most vivid statement, "cabrons like us feed this life..."

cabrons like "us" ?????

finally, you admit it...unospongebob is officially a cabron as declared by el cabron himself.

however, in the case of what is "real," unospongebob is a "sweet heart gringo" with the potential to act as a cabron if he wanted to...which he does not! it is a choice one individually makes, to be a cabron.

unospongebob has the ability, the opportunity, the personality, etc..to act the cabron, but he does not feel the need, nor the desire. unospongebob is satiated. see the distinction?

by the way, remember, third and fourth week will be terrible. they're all going home for christmas, and their kids get off school for at least a couple weeks before christmas. a lot of the girls will be running around making preparations to travel, preparing for the holidays, etc...there will, of course, be those that are working right up to the last minute to buy gifts and prepare financially for travel arrangements. but, many will be absent.

make it the second week of december and you should be ok...

touché this ... :-)

man, you have not changed a bit... still driving me nuts brancing off the issue and leading the conversation to ... well .. no where ...

bob, you started by analyzing the girls. you were sounding like the gringo expert who knows what the girls want and how they do it. now you want to tell me what 'you' do in the midnight hours .... no man. we are still talking putas in a sex club ... not a sweetheart gringo.

back to my point ... you do not see the real stage. you see the el gringo bob stage. and that, my friends, it your own creation and your own imagination.

x-girl was raped at the age of 10. sweet p was abandoned with 3 children. crunchy s wanted to buy a house for her mother. tania wanted to go to college. x-girl married her lesbian she-husband who supported her studies. she hated smelly drunk men ... and on and on and on. young girls, pobres, fools are working the clubs only to give all their money to their pimps. other cry every night wondering what tell they will tell their children about life. others quit to shack up with a gringo who gives them the good life only to disappear in a us jail for a couple of years returning to a wife and child ....

cabrones like us feed this "life".

and that, my good friends, is ... touché

what are your plans for december? i am thinking 3rd weekend ... maybe.

MonterreyDude

11-04-09, 18:06

Unspongebob a Cabron?

Nope.

There are many reasons why he's not.

1. The margin of girls from where he makes his pickings is too slim. His breathing room for errors is so small that mostly he will get deceptions instead of triumphs.

2. USB is a magnet for the Great Fakes, incredible actresses that will do his very whim in the club, but outside all facades go down.

3. He is still unable to discern who is good and who isn't at first sight.

4, Keeps losing track of girls.

5. Am not saying anymore... I done with my diet, if I keep going I won't get cookies.

I am not leading the conversation nowhere...I am leading it in circles. :-)))

First, with respect to what I do, or don't do, in the bars, that was presented hypothetically to demonstrate that what is "real" between us and them, and what is fantasy have little to do with one another.

My point was that were I so inclined, I am free to prowl the clubs at night. And, if I do, usually it's to sit in the bar and to strictly socialize with them, and not much else. Because, literally, what I have for "real" is so totally sufficient for me, that I am not really typically interested in bar fining them. This is a realization that one simply can't just turn off and on. You're either satiated or not. Literally, there are times that I am simply so satiated with my girl, that I really couldn't care less otherwise.

Amigomio is right...we are making a difference in the pitiful lives of at least two of them. We can't save the world, so we have each selected one that has touched us more deeply than all the rest, and made a difference in their lives, taken them under our wing, and let them into our hearts.

We know a TON of girls, verdad? So, that's a testament to their uniqueness. Each of us feels that our own girls deserve our "special" consideration, and we have responded accordingly to that uniqueness.

The rest of them do not deserve our special consideration because we do not feel compelled. They are not unique according to our terms. Our girls know we are sincere with them, and that we truly believe in their uniqueness. My theory? That's why our girls know we are for "real," and it's the single biggest influence upon them that makes us "real" for them.

Both, you and Amigomio are correct, that is...I do not advocate getting to know the girls on a personal level, unless you see something in them that distinguishes them so substantially from the rest, that you "feel" the motivation to take it beyond mongering. I agree that it's wisest, and also more fun, less expensive, less work, etc...to isolate yourself, just as they isolate themselves.

But, conversely, if you find one where the chemistry is right, the personalities click, the friendships blossom, etc...then, expect for an escalation to it becoming "real." But, be warned, it is not only extremely rewarding, but also simultaneously painful, because, afterall, it is "real" and life ain't easy. And, to go even further, what is "real" is not mongering...

So, monger on OR make it "real," or both. One has little to do with the other.

And, finally, your most vivid statement, "Cabrons like us feed this life..."

Cabrons like "US" ?????

Finally, you admit it...Unospongebob is officially a Cabron as declared by El Cabron himself.

However, in the case of what is "real," Unospongebob is a "Sweet Heart Gringo" with the potential to act as a Cabron if he wanted to...WHICH HE DOES NOT! It is a choice one individually makes, to be a Cabron.

Unospongebob has the ability, the opportunity, the personality, etc..to act the Cabron, but he does not feel the need, nor the desire. Unospongebob is satiated. See the distinction?

By the way, remember, third and fourth week will be terrible. They're all going home for Christmas, and their kids get off school for at least a couple weeks before Christmas. A lot of the girls will be running around making preparations to travel, preparing for the holidays, etc...There will, of course, be those that are working right up to the last minute to buy gifts and prepare financially for travel arrangements. But, many will be absent.

Make it the second week of December and you should be OK...

Mextexman

11-04-09, 18:28

Bus arrived right on time, was at el infinto 5 minutes later and literally ran into a young morenita I had made friends with the last time I was there. She had given me her phone number and we had talked several times, but then she dropped out of sight. Oh well. NEXT! When I saw her Friday night she told me she had her cell stolen along with her purse. Meant mr. Jara, said amigomio was IN THE HOUSE. I do not know the standard mode of operandi, do we meet, do we have an official secret handshake. I trembled in my shoes to meet the great oneknobi. In person no less. So I thought I would pass when he offered to introduce us. Left, had a great dinner/conversation with my friend, tried a restaruant neither she nor I had been to before. Important thing was that she enjoyed herself, for a little 50kg thing she sure could eat. It's nice when you can tell that they really appreciate it. Said she was nervous and had never been to such a nice restaruant. NOW for the interesting part. Needed to stop at an ATM for some "el harem" cash. The taxi driver got down with me. Great guy. Recommended by my friend. Will definitly use him again. He kept me from using the type of ATM that takes in your card. Said some guys program the ATM to swallow your card, they later come back, enter some code, and now they have a real genuine ATM card at their disposal til the am until you figure out how and with whom do you cancel your card. You think your safe because the ATM has it inside. WRONG. Anyway he took me to another location on Madero where you swipe your card, it never leaves your sight or your hand. Just a little bit of info for you brother mongers. On the bus by 5am, breakfast with my buddys at 9am. I love the look on the %&*)(*at#at$ immigration guys when I tell them that dinner turned into breakfast.

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Member #3453

11-05-09, 03:02

1. You're right...the margin is ZERO. As you know, my time is otherwise occupied, so the margin for success is virtually non-existent.

2. That is not what you said. You said I am a magnet for married girls, girls with emotional problems, girls that are "freaky," etc...which I agree with. Thank GOD for them. And, if you are being honest, shouldn't we acknowledge that they are ALL fakes, verdad? That is their job afterall.

3. You're right there...most are not worth bar fining. But, I am the eternal optimist, hoping beyond all reason that I might just stumble aimlessly into another "unique" one.

4. I only lose track of the forgettable...And, frankly, most are not worth my remembering.

5. I advise you to get used to your diet... :-))) Double Touchet!!!

Unspongebob a Cabron?

Nope.

There are many reasons why he's not.

1. The margin of girls from where he makes his pickings is too slim. His breathing room for errors is so small that mostly he will get deceptions instead of triumphs.

2. USB is a magnet for the Great Fakes, incredible actresses that will do his very whim in the club, but outside all facades go down.

3. He is still unable to discern who is good and who isn't at first sight.

4, Keeps losing track of girls.

5. Am not saying anymore... I done with my diet, if I keep going I won't get cookies.

MonterreyDude

11-05-09, 08:41

Jaras did tell me that there was an Americano on the floor.

Sorry I wasn't there but one of my girls had me cornered at one of the privados.
Took me a lot of time to get "rid" of her!!!

Bus arrived right on time, was at el infinto 5 minutes later and literally ran into a young morenita I had made friends with the last time I was there. She had given me her phone number and we had talked several times, but then she dropped out of sight. Oh well. NEXT! When I saw her Friday night she told me she had her cell stolen along with her purse. Meant mr. Jara, said amigomio was IN THE HOUSE. I do not know the standard mode of operandi, do we meet, do we have an official secret handshake. I trembled in my shoes to meet the great oneknobi. In person no less. So I thought I would pass when he offered to introduce us. Left, had a great dinner/conversation with my friend, tried a restaruant neither she nor I had been to before. Important thing was that she enjoyed herself, for a little 50kg thing she sure could eat. It's nice when you can tell that they really appreciate it. Said she was nervous and had never been to such a nice restaruant. NOW for the interesting part. Needed to stop at an ATM for some "el harem" cash. The taxi driver got down with me. Great guy. Recommended by my friend. Will definitly use him again. He kept me from using the type of ATM that takes in your card. Said some guys program the ATM to swallow your card, they later come back, enter some code, and now they have a real genuine ATM card at their disposal til the am until you figure out how and with whom do you cancel your card. You think your safe because the ATM has it inside. WRONG. Anyway he took me to another location on Madero where you swipe your card, it never leaves your sight or your hand. Just a little bit of info for you brother mongers. On the bus by 5am, breakfast with my buddys at 9am. I love the look on the %&*)(*at#at$ immigration guys when I tell them that dinner turned into breakfast.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Mextexman

11-05-09, 19:31

Perhaps next time we can have a cerveza as I really would not enjoy mty if it were not for someone like yourself giving us your input. The least I can do is buy you a beer y darte las gracias. I really enjoyed Mr. Jara, he was very polite and very professional when we spoke. I will probably try to at least say "Hi" next time I am in the club, he is a good guy to know. As some wise monger once said. "I don't pay for sex, I pay for them to leave".

Genghois

11-10-09, 01:19

I'll be in Monterrey, next week, and would love to meet up with a experienced wing man.

I'm not a stranger to the scene, and I've been visiting, off and on, for a few years, but my Spanish is limited and it's always good to meet a fellow ISG member!

Send me a PM. I'll be in town on the 15th

MonterreyDude

11-10-09, 06:28

Be glad to help you out Genghois.

I'll be in Monterrey, next week, and would love to meet up with a experienced wing man.

I'm not a stranger to the scene, and I've been visiting, off and on, for a few years, but my Spanish is limited and it's always good to meet a fellow ISG member!

Send me a PM. I'll be in town on the 15th

MonterreyDude

11-10-09, 20:45

By the way Genghois, you'll be coming in on a slow weekend.

It'll be the weekend when the Dia de la Revolucion is celebrated, so Monday will be a day of rest, mostly everything will closed or totally slow and close to dead.

I'll be in Monterrey, next week, and would love to meet up with a experienced wing man.

I'm not a stranger to the scene, and I've been visiting, off and on, for a few years, but my Spanish is limited and it's always good to meet a fellow ISG member!

Send me a PM. I'll be in town on the 15th

Chipshot

11-11-09, 06:54

I will be visiting Monterrey for business one night (Wednesday Nov 11). I'm staying at the Crown Plaza. If there is any board member who would like to meet for a drink please pm me. Also if anyone has a referral to make with one of the local chicas I would be appreciative. I just joined the board and am grateful for the help.

Thanks!

Chipshot

11-11-09, 18:04

I just recently signed up for this board but am not new to the hobby. I will be in Monterrey for one night November 11 (staying at the Crowne Plaza). If any local guys want to meet for a beer please PM me. Also if anyone has any referrals/recc's I would appreciate it (maduras or easy going, fun younger mujeres are my favorite).

Thanks in advance.

Zygomatic

12-01-09, 05:20

It's that time again, when lot's of us without young children would rather be fucking the women of our dreams in Monterrey, vs spending time with our grown up families.

I will be off for the last 10 days of December and didn't get to go to Monterrey on Thanksgiving weekend.

I am thinking, will I ever see that guatemalan sex slave with the ghetto booty who was an anal expert and begged me to stop only to be pounded to a finish, even deeper? Maybe I will spend a few sessions at Marcelas (Pompis) where for 50$ for the house, I can fuck a super hottie and have a wonderful time with another 50$ tip.

O can my dreams come true this holiday weekend? Amigomio, what are your thoughts?

El Cabron 007

12-10-09, 01:41

I used to joke about getting buried vs getting married. I am married, not buried.

Until now. HELP …

Those of you who are married to Mexican wives owe it to the society of mankind to spell it out. How the hell do you handle a Mexican wife?

Seems like the cabronish personality works best and reaps most rewards but that is not me. I am a lover, not a fighter. Ha-ha, yeah right.

I flex my muscles and that works fine. She bends over backward to keep me happy. I act like I don’t care and she is head over heels. To tell the truth, I enjoy the begging and all the efforts to “please her man”.

But the real me is, unfortunately, like Bob. Hey Bob. I am a loving caring romantic idiot. But that backfires and she is in control. Of course. You drool and they dangle the carrot. You take out the whip and they set, roll over, play dead and shake hands.

So how the hell do you handle a Mexican wife? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

El Cabron

Member #3453

12-10-09, 16:00

This is just my opinion, and it's the way I see it...Of course, differing personalities may make my opinions more or less correct depending on the individuals involved.

Control is a very strong instinct in males. It is also a very attractive quality that attracts females. But, eventually, as you enter into a legitimate relationship with one of these bar girls, and as the relationship progresses over time, the attractiveness of our taking control only appeals to them individually to the extent that they can rely upon it to nourish them emotionally, sexually, and to the extent that our control can physically take good care of them with respect to quality of life.

We can "control" the outcome and keep them coming back for more by appearing to relinquish control to them in order to continue to get what we want, which means we truly are in control because we are choosing to relinquish control.

Therefore, it is merely an illusion of relinquished control. The illusion,as perceived by them, is that we are relinquishing control on account of them, which translates for them into a testament to their uniqueness. That is the aphrodisiac that keeps them coming back for more as the relationship progresses.

I always did say that a Cabronish handling of bar girls is the correct strategy. But, once we cross that divide, we are talking about two entirely different scenarios, legitimate girlfriends versus GFE with h**kers. The strategies are a little different in the sense that you can not be as "harsh" with your GF as you can be with h**kers whose only motivation is money. With our legitimate bar girl girlfriends, we have to be much more caring.

With respect to your specific circumstances El Cabron, when you see her starting to take the circumstances you've created for her for granted, or you sense she is trying to dominate control of the relationship to your dis-satisfaction, then just put a little bit of very subtle doubt in her mind, just a little. Don't call her, don't pay any attention to her, one day, two days, then when she seeks you out, and you can sense her concern building, then come right back with the same former level of devotion.

It's the fear of losing your devotion to her that keeps things going on the right track. But, there's a delicate balance that keeps her delivering what you like. If each of your respective strategies to get what each of you wants goes too far one way or the other, then the relationship suffers. It's not so different than real marriage actually.

And always remember, she has a hell of a lot to lose, much more than you have to lose. Play off of that advantage. Having cultivated relationships with "those kinds of girls," we already know that their insecurities prompted them to enter professions that 90% of girls would never consider. So, they are far more fearful of life without you than most "good girls" would be under similar circumstances.

She is far better off with you now than she will ever likely be again. Make her taste a little bit of what life is like without you. And, I am not talking entirely about what we can do financially for them, but the totality of what we do for them in all respects, emotionally, financially, legitimately caring about them, everything. But, certainly, because their choices in life reveal them to be "that kind of girl" initially, I believe they are much more susceptible to feeling the effects of your monetary influence upon their lives than other kinds of girls. However, that is not to diminish all of the other benefits they "feel" from us. But, the prospect of our not taking care of them does, IMHO, weigh more heavily, and have greater influence upon their minds than the minds of most "good girls." Knowing that they possess those kinds of vulnerabilities is helpful in knowing the extent to which, and how, you can influence their behavior toward you.

It's human nature...they sometimes take us for granted, just as 99%, or countless millions, of legitimate husbands are taken for granted. But, life has a way of beating up on them regularly enough, especially in their kind of society, that if we plant a seed of fear over the prospect of alternative consequences they are apt to see the light pretty quickly, especially our girls who already love us emotionally, but also depend on us for at least a portion of their very existence.

And, don't discount the emotional support we give them. It's worth a ton to them. But, you put the two together, and they're a very powerful combination of influence upon them. And, I don't mean to imply that just because we strategize about them, that we are somehow disingenuous with respect to our sincerity toward them. It's just that we need to employ certain methods to keep things going in the right direction.

Frankly, it is easier dealing with bar girls whose only motivation is money. The strategy is cut and dry, and there are no emotional consequences. That's why I don't bawk at guys that just want to monger, and have no interest in my own kind of scenario. Our path is a lot of work.

So, you see, we are always in control. Just make them think that they are calling the shots in order to keep the effects of the aphrodisiac in full gear, in order to keep them fulfilled so you will also get what you want. Employ the same Cabronish tactics you always used, but turn down the volume of the strategies you've used on club girls in the past to the extent that you can still use your devotion to her to keep things headed in the right direction.

But, it sounds to me that your methods are working fine for you anyway. You said that you act like you don't care and she falls in line. I suspect that what has changed in comparison to your former application of these methods is that you "love her to death," and if you truly are as I am, a loving caring romantic...uhhhhh, "idiot"... :-) then, you "feel" the effects of being the Cabron. You must realize that your romantic and caring side is what motivates the relationship between you, and it's the foundation of her love for you. So, you have to apply the same methods you used before as a Cabron, but apply those methods with tender loving care.

But, bottom line...what ever made you believe that it would end up any differently than any other marriage? All girls get off on having control. As long as I know why I am permitting them to have control, and I am enjoying the "ride" it produces, then I'm happy.

See, the deeper you go, the more you understand....You are morphing uncontrollably into an Unspongebob2. Or, more accurately, El Un-CabronBob. :-)

I used to joke about getting buried vs getting married. I am married, not buried.

Until now. HELP …

Those of you who are married to Mexican wives owe it to the society of mankind to spell it out. How the hell do you handle a Mexican wife?

Seems like the cabronish personality works best and reaps most rewards but that is not me. I am a lover, not a fighter. Ha-ha, yeah right.

I flex my muscles and that works fine. She bends over backward to keep me happy. I act like I don’t care and she is head over heels. To tell the truth, I enjoy the begging and all the efforts to “please her man”.

But the real me is, unfortunately, like Bob. Hey Bob. I am a loving caring romantic idiot. But that backfires and she is in control. Of course. You drool and they dangle the carrot. You take out the whip and they set, roll over, play dead and shake hands.

So how the hell do you handle a Mexican wife? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

El Cabron

El Cabron 007

12-11-09, 01:21

El Un-CabronBob?? HA!

No way Bob. Never. I will not drool. Well ... maybe a little.

But thanks Bob. Well said.

See, the deeper you go, the more you understand....You are morphing uncontrollably into an Unspongebob2. Or, more accurately, El Un-CabronBob. :-)

Member #3453

12-13-09, 15:32

well. there have been some relatively subtle changes in the monterrey scene over the last few months. the re-opening of givenchy several weeks ago, the closing of parthenon no less than approximately two weeks ago, and the shifting of all that talent to other clubs, mixing things up a bit. i thought perhaps some might like a cheat sheet to scope out new frontiers.

first, keep in mind that my comments are very time sensitive, and changes can occur rapidly from one week to the next. so, you can't really rely on things being as i am reporting here, not even if you visit here in the next two weeks.

givenchy has been a complete and total disappointment compared to its former self. i have scoped it out several times, literally walking through, scoping out the talent, walking literally around the stage looking in all directions, lingering long enough to make what is a brief but ample assessment. i wouldn't waste my time. i'll give it a couple more weeks, and scope it out again.

one thing about monterrey...change is constant. if you scope out a bar today, and it stinks, don't fall back on those conclusions forever. it can change, and sometimes it only changes for a few days and it's back to its old lousy self again. or, like in the former new givenchy, and now parthenon, they can morph into some pretty decent venues that actually give el infinito some competition.

first, lets clarify something about parthenon. it was temporarily closed down because some had reported it to have **** girls working there. this, in my opinion, was an inflated charge perpetrated by some patrons to parthenon that interpreted the ages of the girls to be younger than they really were, which caused the newspapers to smell a story they could sensationalize to sell product, something that newspapers in our present day world are notorious for doing all the time.

does anyone of us trust anything we read in the newspapers any more? i for one do not trust a word they say. their only motivation in our modern day society is to promote their particular brand of political indoctrination, primarily leftist political rhetoric, and sensationalize solely for the purpose of selling newspapers.

journalism is, for all intents and purposes, virtually dead. so, you can not rely on the "media" to report the facts. they are only interested in making up lies that serve their own interests. needless to say, when the word made it back to one of the reporters at the newspapers that parthenon was employing ****d girls, they jumped on it, hoping to cause a stir, and serve their own interests.

eventually, due to the sensationalizing of the newspaper, el norte, the municipal government in monterrey responded with a sting operation. did they find a huge number of girls in violation??? not hardly...they only found a grand total of only "two" girls that did not have proper age identification, hardly a testament to parthenon intentionally supplying **** girls in their operation.

fact is, and we all know this is true, on any one day we can find **** girls working in probably 95% of the bars in monterrey. so, while i do not condone their employing **** girls, it was quite obvious that the parthenon incident was sensationalized for the purposes of selling newspapers, and not because el norte, or the municipal government of monterrey, have any particular benevolence concerning the protection of young girls in the sex trade of monterrey.

and, it is true that the girls working at parthenon did appear young, pretty, sexy, and hot, more so than what i typically saw working at other clubs, where many girls are what i consider to be almost middle aged, 23-28 years old. so, yes, parthenon was becoming one of my favorite bars for hot "young," legal girls.

now, the subject of whether hot legally young girls, (ie: 18-19 years old), are particularly good companions on salida, etc...that's a different issue. in my opinion, they are not, and my conclusions relative to the parthenon "young" girls hasn't changed my mind on that particular subject with the exception of perhaps one that i would not really categorize as being among the hottest at parthenon. however, if you like to sit in the bars and enjoy some energetic young, legal, hot girls, then parthenon was becoming a very good venue, perhaps as good as el infinito, which up to then had been the all time champion of bars for hot and relatively young, legal girls.

so, the significance of finding another venue such as parthenon compared to el infinito, for me, was particularly encouraging. unfortunately, in order to sell newspapers, el norte's sensationalizing of the facts caused them to be shut down.

up to very recently, i was not sure where the girls from parthenon went. i had been told they were dispersed out among the other bars along villa gran. but, i had checked along villa gran, and could not locate one of them.

now, there is a particular bar that i don't often frequent named beibi's. it is virtually right across the street and catty cornered to el cielo on arteaga. in the past, it had always been a disappointment, a big disappointment. so, i never frequented there. oh, once in a while i recall visiting and finding a decent girl there, but the consistency was so unreliable that i never really visited with any frequency.

well, i was down on villa gran the other night, and my former waiter from parthenon recognized me walking along the street between el infinito and givenchy. he took me by the arm and walked me up to beibi's, where i found each and every one of my former "legally young" hot girls working.

parthenon is owned by the the same people that own azul tequilla, beibis, mangos, and few others, that according to one of my girlfriends working now at beibis.

so, you see, all of these supposedly "illegal" girls working at parthenon were all actually of legal age, and they are all working "legally" at beibis. i did notice one girl absent from the mix of girls that i knew at parthenon, and i suspected then that she "may" have been too young to be working there. but, the reality is, she was slightly fat, not really in the category of the young hot girls that attracted all the attention, etc...so, she may have been one of the grand total of two that were found to be working illegally at parthenon...why knows?

but, i can say that beibis now boasts the same hot lineup that was at parthenon, and be assured that all that the girls there are most certainly perfectly legal. with all the bars in el centro, especially the bars owned by the parthenon group, having been closely scrutinized for the last couple of weeks, so el norte can sell newspapers, and so the municipal government can boast that they have the best interests of the girls in mind...yeah right!...you can rest assured that the girls that were the subject of this "witch hunt" were all in fact of legal age.

my girlfriends told me that parthenon was actually scheduled to open again last thursday night. but, i checked out it, and that didn't happen. parthenon is likely to be closed for a couple of months. but, the girls seemed pretty convinced it was going to be opening pretty soon again, after having only been closed for a few weeks. they all expected to be working back there again last thursday, but that didn't happen. but, they were all pretty convinced that they would be back working there this week. so, i suspect that parthenon will open sooner than later just based on the expectation that all the girls had for it to re-open soon, as though their management had already prepared them for a move back to their old facility sooner than later.

i really couldn't care less which of the bars they work in, as long as they're out there. the facilities at parthenon are really no different than beibi's. parthenon is a larger facility than beibis. so, beibi's seems really packed full of girls right now. but, were you to move them all over to parthenon, it would be virtually the same number of girls that could always be found there.

one interesting benefit to having all these girls stuffed into a place like beibi's, which is a relatively crappy bar under regular circumstances, one that really has very few patrons under normal conditions, there is very little competition from other patrons compared to parthenon, el infinito, tangalay, etc...

with fewer patrons than usual, all the hotties are walking around doing all they can to attract your attention. some would be turned off by the constant question, "una copa?" but, my ears are relatively deaf to the question after all these years in the bars of monterrey. i just waive them off, and gawk more thoroughly, looking for whatever strikes my fancy that night. of course, as time progresses, and if the girls remain at beibi's, the public will likely begin to hear of beibi's new found attractiveness, and there will be more competition from other patrons.

amigomio had commented to me recently that this situation with parthenon having ****d girls had caused all the clubs in the area to suffer to the extent that so many of them had reductions in the numbers of hot girls that were working, the clubs apparently allowing only girls with legitimate identification to work.

apparently, with all of the attention from the municipal government coming down on the clubs along villa gran and in el centro, it has created a "fear" among bar management. and, there is also a residual effect in that many girls are intimidated by so much scrutiny by armed men, (ie: police, federales, etc...) that they just don't want to be "caught in the cross fire."

with the bar management being especially careful about which girls they're allowing to work, and the girls fearful of the "dangers" inherent in the thugs working within their own government that are entrusted with their safety (ie: the police and federales), it translates into there being a lesser number of girls working in the bars due apprehensions by management and the girls.

now, all of this being the case, then one can only logically conclude that parthenon was no worse than "all" the rest of the bars in el centro. afterall, the raid only produced two supposedly ****d girls at parthenon. and, not that they were actually ****d, but only that they could not produce proper age identification when carded...and there is a difference. but, obviously, all the bars in el centro are guilty to the same degree as parthenon, if not more so, if in fact their numbers of girls are down based on a fear by management that "some" of their girls could shut them down.

i happen to know based on a very intimate knowledge of el infinito in particular that they are being especially careful. logically, if you have nothing to be ashamed of, then why be especially careful? obviously, parthenon's infraction of the rules were no more egregious than all the rest of the bars in el centro. it was definitely a witch hunt, and parthenon has received an undue and unfair slandering against its reputation as a decent bar, one that has every right to be patronized compared to el infinito, tangalay, el cielo, givenchy, etc...

so, now that we have set the record straight with respect to parthenon being no more or less guilty of routine practices employed by each and every one of the bars in monterrey, we can give it credit where credit is due. it is a contender, competing right along side of el infinito, with nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of.

normally, i am quite selfish about reporting these kinds of transitions for fear that my reporting them might hasten the decline of presently favorable circumstances, thereby sabotaging my own enjoyment of the venue. however, i suspect it will be business as usual at parthenon quite soon, and beibi's fifteen minutes of fame will once again be history, with beibi's assuming it's former crappy reputation once again, probably sooner than later. i will be disappointed to see that happen.

too bad they can't just re-populate it with huge numbers of newbie, hot, barely old enough girls, but "legally aged" girls of course....let's all be honest, that's what we like to look at, verdad? who votes for a 35 year old fat mama, versus a barely 18 year old hot, hard bodied, angel, uhmmmm? lets not be too hypocritical about this age issue.

but, it's likely that beibi's will fall back to its former lousy self. i could never really understand why some bars have such lousy lineups. there are so many thousands, hundreds of thousands really, of hot and willing girls in monterrey that need to make a peso, and are willing to go to work in the bars. frankly, there is simply no excuse for bars having such crappy lineups. the supply is huge. it's just another reflection on poor bar management, imho, because supply is certainly not the problem.

one good thing that came out of this whole scenario with the closing of parthenon was my introduction by one of my parthenon (beibi's) girls to mangos, a bar that i had never visited before. when i visited mangos with her, she cleared the way for salidas with no less than four new girls, hot girls, ones i had never met before, all of them making an unsolicited offer to go on salida, not having spoken to me for more than two minutes each. i was apparently "pre-cleared" as a known and trusted entity by my parthenon/beibi's girl. had i wanted to go on salida, the choices between beibi's and mangos would have made for a very interesting evening.

MonterreyDude

12-17-09, 11:22

i must emphasize what usb posted.

contray to what has been reported on different newspapers here in monterrey, our city is not a sex paradise that offers minors all up and down a "zona roja" that does not exist here.

the mexican goverment nor the local authorities condone such things.
if an article comes out that there are minors working at a certain club, the municipality will do it's job and shut down the place, like it did at parthenon.

there is zero tolerance in monterrey for those things.

well. there have been some relatively subtle changes in the monterrey scene over the last few months. the re-opening of givenchy several weeks ago, the closing of parthenon no less than approximately two weeks ago, and the shifting of all that talent to other clubs, mixing things up a bit. i thought perhaps some might like a cheat sheet to scope out new frontiers.

first, keep in mind that my comments are very time sensitive, and changes can occur rapidly from one week to the next. so, you can't really rely on things being as i am reporting here, not even if you visit here in the next two weeks.

givenchy has been a complete and total disappointment compared to its former self. i have scoped it out several times, literally walking through, scoping out the talent, walking literally around the stage looking in all directions, lingering long enough to make what is a brief but ample assessment. i wouldn't waste my time. i'll give it a couple more weeks, and scope it out again.

one thing about monterrey...change is constant. if you scope out a bar today, and it stinks, don't fall back on those conclusions forever. it can change, and sometimes it only changes for a few days and it's back to its old lousy self again. or, like in the former new givenchy, and now parthenon, they can morph into some pretty decent venues that actually give el infinito some competition.

first, lets clarify something about parthenon. it was temporarily closed down because some had reported it to have **** girls working there. this, in my opinion, was an inflated charge perpetrated by some patrons to parthenon that interpreted the ages of the girls to be younger than they really were, which caused the newspapers to smell a story they could sensationalize to sell product, something that newspapers in our present day world are notorious for doing all the time.

does anyone of us trust anything we read in the newspapers any more? i for one do not trust a word they say. their only motivation in our modern day society is to promote their particular brand of political indoctrination, primarily leftist political rhetoric, and sensationalize solely for the purpose of selling newspapers.

journalism is, for all intents and purposes, virtually dead. so, you can not rely on the "media" to report the facts. they are only interested in making up lies that serve their own interests. needless to say, when the word made it back to one of the reporters at the newspapers that parthenon was employing ****d girls, they jumped on it, hoping to cause a stir, and serve their own interests.

eventually, due to the sensationalizing of the newspaper, el norte, the municipal government in monterrey responded with a sting operation. did they find a huge number of girls in violation??? not hardly...they only found a grand total of only "two" girls that did not have proper age identification, hardly a testament to parthenon intentionally supplying **** girls in their operation.

fact is, and we all know this is true, on any one day we can find **** girls working in probably 95% of the bars in monterrey. so, while i do not condone their employing **** girls, it was quite obvious that the parthenon incident was sensationalized for the purposes of selling newspapers, and not because el norte, or the municipal government of monterrey, have any particular benevolence concerning the protection of young girls in the sex trade of monterrey.

and, it is true that the girls working at parthenon did appear young, pretty, sexy, and hot, more so than what i typically saw working at other clubs, where many girls are what i consider to be almost middle aged, 23-28 years old. so, yes, parthenon was becoming one of my favorite bars for hot "young," legal girls.

now, the subject of whether hot legally young girls, (ie: 18-19 years old), are particularly good companions on salida, etc...that's a different issue. in my opinion, they are not, and my conclusions relative to the parthenon "young" girls hasn't changed my mind on that particular subject with the exception of perhaps one that i would not really categorize as being among the hottest at parthenon. however, if you like to sit in the bars and enjoy some energetic young, legal, hot girls, then parthenon was becoming a very good venue, perhaps as good as el infinito, which up to then had been the all time champion of bars for hot and relatively young, legal girls.

so, the significance of finding another venue such as parthenon compared to el infinito, for me, was particularly encouraging. unfortunately, in order to sell newspapers, el norte's sensationalizing of the facts caused them to be shut down.

up to very recently, i was not sure where the girls from parthenon went. i had been told they were dispersed out among the other bars along villa gran. but, i had checked along villa gran, and could not locate one of them.

now, there is a particular bar that i don't often frequent named beibi's. it is virtually right across the street and catty cornered to el cielo on arteaga. in the past, it had always been a disappointment, a big disappointment. so, i never frequented there. oh, once in a while i recall visiting and finding a decent girl there, but the consistency was so unreliable that i never really visited with any frequency.

well, i was down on villa gran the other night, and my former waiter from parthenon recognized me walking along the street between el infinito and givenchy. he took me by the arm and walked me up to beibi's, where i found each and every one of my former "legally young" hot girls working.

parthenon is owned by the the same people that own azul tequilla, beibis, mangos, and few others, that according to one of my girlfriends working now at beibis.

so, you see, all of these supposedly "illegal" girls working at parthenon were all actually of legal age, and they are all working "legally" at beibis. i did notice one girl absent from the mix of girls that i knew at parthenon, and i suspected then that she "may" have been too young to be working there. but, the reality is, she was slightly fat, not really in the category of the young hot girls that attracted all the attention, etc...so, she may have been one of the grand total of two that were found to be working illegally at parthenon...why knows?

but, i can say that beibis now boasts the same hot lineup that was at parthenon, and be assured that all that the girls there are most certainly perfectly legal. with all the bars in el centro, especially the bars owned by the parthenon group, having been closely scrutinized for the last couple of weeks, so el norte can sell newspapers, and so the municipal government can boast that they have the best interests of the girls in mind...yeah right!...you can rest assured that the girls that were the subject of this "witch hunt" were all in fact of legal age.

my girlfriends told me that parthenon was actually scheduled to open again last thursday night. but, i checked out it, and that didn't happen. parthenon is likely to be closed for a couple of months. but, the girls seemed pretty convinced it was going to be opening pretty soon again, after having only been closed for a few weeks. they all expected to be working back there again last thursday, but that didn't happen. but, they were all pretty convinced that they would be back working there this week. so, i suspect that parthenon will open sooner than later just based on the expectation that all the girls had for it to re-open soon, as though their management had already prepared them for a move back to their old facility sooner than later.

i really couldn't care less which of the bars they work in, as long as they're out there. the facilities at parthenon are really no different than beibi's. parthenon is a larger facility than beibis. so, beibi's seems really packed full of girls right now. but, were you to move them all over to parthenon, it would be virtually the same number of girls that could always be found there.

one interesting benefit to having all these girls stuffed into a place like beibi's, which is a relatively crappy bar under regular circumstances, one that really has very few patrons under normal conditions, there is very little competition from other patrons compared to parthenon, el infinito, tangalay, etc...

with fewer patrons than usual, all the hotties are walking around doing all they can to attract your attention. some would be turned off by the constant question, "una copa?" but, my ears are relatively deaf to the question after all these years in the bars of monterrey. i just waive them off, and gawk more thoroughly, looking for whatever strikes my fancy that night. of course, as time progresses, and if the girls remain at beibi's, the public will likely begin to hear of beibi's new found attractiveness, and there will be more competition from other patrons.

amigomio had commented to me recently that this situation with parthenon having ****d girls had caused all the clubs in the area to suffer to the extent that so many of them had reductions in the numbers of hot girls that were working, the clubs apparently allowing only girls with legitimate identification to work.

apparently, with all of the attention from the municipal government coming down on the clubs along villa gran and in el centro, it has created a "fear" among bar management. and, there is also a residual effect in that many girls are intimidated by so much scrutiny by armed men, (ie: police, federales, etc...) that they just don't want to be "caught in the cross fire."

with the bar management being especially careful about which girls they're allowing to work, and the girls fearful of the "dangers" inherent in the thugs working within their own government that are entrusted with their safety (ie: the police and federales), it translates into there being a lesser number of girls working in the bars due apprehensions by management and the girls.

now, all of this being the case, then one can only logically conclude that parthenon was no worse than "all" the rest of the bars in el centro. afterall, the raid only produced two supposedly ****d girls at parthenon. and, not that they were actually ****d, but only that they could not produce proper age identification when carded...and there is a difference. but, obviously, all the bars in el centro are guilty to the same degree as parthenon, if not more so, if in fact their numbers of girls are down based on a fear by management that "some" of their girls could shut them down.

i happen to know based on a very intimate knowledge of el infinito in particular that they are being especially careful. logically, if you have nothing to be ashamed of, then why be especially careful? obviously, parthenon's infraction of the rules were no more egregious than all the rest of the bars in el centro. it was definitely a witch hunt, and parthenon has received an undue and unfair slandering against its reputation as a decent bar, one that has every right to be patronized compared to el infinito, tangalay, el cielo, givenchy, etc...

so, now that we have set the record straight with respect to parthenon being no more or less guilty of routine practices employed by each and every one of the bars in monterrey, we can give it credit where credit is due. it is a contender, competing right along side of el infinito, with nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of.

normally, i am quite selfish about reporting these kinds of transitions for fear that my reporting them might hasten the decline of presently favorable circumstances, thereby sabotaging my own enjoyment of the venue. however, i suspect it will be business as usual at parthenon quite soon, and beibi's fifteen minutes of fame will once again be history, with beibi's assuming it's former crappy reputation once again, probably sooner than later. i will be disappointed to see that happen.

too bad they can't just re-populate it with huge numbers of newbie, hot, barely old enough girls, but "legally aged" girls of course....let's all be honest, that's what we like to look at, verdad? who votes for a 35 year old fat mama, versus a barely 18 year old hot, hard bodied, angel, uhmmmm? lets not be too hypocritical about this age issue.

but, it's likely that beibi's will fall back to its former lousy self. i could never really understand why some bars have such lousy lineups. there are so many thousands, hundreds of thousands really, of hot and willing girls in monterrey that need to make a peso, and are willing to go to work in the bars. frankly, there is simply no excuse for bars having such crappy lineups. the supply is huge. it's just another reflection on poor bar management, imho, because supply is certainly not the problem.

one good thing that came out of this whole scenario with the closing of parthenon was my introduction by one of my parthenon (beibi's) girls to mangos, a bar that i had never visited before. when i visited mangos with her, she cleared the way for salidas with no less than four new girls, hot girls, ones i had never met before, all of them making an unsolicited offer to go on salida, not having spoken to me for more than two minutes each. i was apparently "pre-cleared" as a known and trusted entity by my parthenon/beibi's girl. had i wanted to go on salida, the choices between beibi's and mangos would have made for a very interesting evening.

Member #3453

12-18-09, 15:50

i recall when amigomio brought the editorials in the newspaper to my attention several months ago concerning their charge that monterrey is some kind of sex tourism destination with world class distinction.

at the time, i was baffled as to how any self respecting journalist could conclude such things when it is so blatantly obvious to anyone with experience in the world class venues that there is simply no truth to it whatsoever. such conclusions are laughable to anyone with experience in the more notorious venues of the world.

but, now their agenda has become quite clear to me. as a preface to the unsubstantiated sensationalized charges against parthenon, they were pre-loading their public audience with a ridiculous, but titillating, pre-misconception that monterrey is some kind of sex tourism destination, and then following-up with an even more egregious and titillating charge that not only is monterrey a sex tourism destination, but it is also an illicit sex tourism destination for the procurement of ****d girls.

the newspapers created the story, one lie built upon another, with an eye toward escalating the public reaction even further so as to prolong their agenda, and sell more newspapers. it it not far fetched to believe that with the decline of credibility in journalism these days, some reporters might have even considered providing the under-aged girls in order to prolong the benefits of their fabricated story.

mexican society is disgusted by the exploitation of under-aged girls, and it is even disgusted by the existence of what is otherwise a comparatively mild venue for sexual entertainment. that's why the newspaper believes it can sensationalize. the newspapers know that the buying public will react with disgust, outrage, and morbid curiosity, unlike the buying public in the notorious world class venues where public outrage is virtually non-existent with respect to their tolerance for such things, just more evidence that monterrey does not fit this category as a world class sex tourism destination.

even a subtle reminder in the media to mexican society that mild sexual entertainment is going on in monterrey, and certainly where charges of elicit exploitation of children is possibly occurring, one will see an extraordinary reaction to even the very slightest suggestion that such things may exist in their society, which is exactly what occurred in the parthenon case.

so, the reality is this...monterrey is not a world wide sex destination, far from it. it is even less of a destination for the exploitation of ****d children. what we've been witnessing is simply the sensationalizing of the story by the newspapers to sell product to a public audience that they realize is sufficiently outraged by such things as to bring passionate reaction, titillation, morbid curiosity, and an innocent, naive craving for fabricated and sensationalized news. and, by the way, this is actually contrary to a true sex tourism destination where the public could not care less about the degree to which sex is exploited into a huge and often illicit industry.

the disservice that occurs to monterrey when the newspapers sensationalize, and the government and the public reacts to fabricated charges, is to inadvertently promote to the predators in society that such things actually do exist in monterrey, when in reality there is no such thing occurring. there is a danger that perception can become reality.

by falsely sensationalizing, then over-reacting to what is clearly a false and sensationalized story, it promotes a belief that eventually becomes reality in the minds of misinformed child predators, thereby possibly attracting an element from all over the world that mexican society does not want to attract.

if false accusations continue as a result of the media's self serving interests, the demand for such things is potentially likely to increase as sex tourists and child predators mistakenly flock to monterrey on the word of the newspaper reports, with high hopes and expectations, just as sex tourists flock to bangkok from thailand's willful promotion of itself as a venue for sex tourists and child molesters.

i must emphasize what usb posted.

contray to what has been reported on different newspapers here in monterrey, our city is not a sex paradise that offers minors all up and down a "zona roja" that does not exist here.

the mexican goverment nor the local authorities condone such things.
if an article comes out that there are minors working at a certain club, the municipality will do it's job and shut down the place, like it did at parthenon.

there is zero tolerance in monterrey for those things.

Hog Dog

12-24-09, 19:59

I visit Monterrey frequently and spend about 30 days per year total in the city. Though I sometimes enjoy the clubs that others here mention, my favorite place over the past couple years has been Marcella (Allende 220). It's a short 3 block walk from the Holiday Inn Centro, where I often stay because of the low rates.

I was kind of worried that they wouldn't be open over the Christmas holidays, but the worry was for nothing. They're open til 9 tonight (nochebuena) and they open tomorrow morning (Christmas) at 11. Chica selection seemed a little light to me today though-they had about 5 girls working. I did 2 back to back sessions, one with Carla, one with Sandy. Don't know if either of these 2 are on their website (www.Pompis. Com. Mx), which seems to feature young 19 year olds.

Carla was 30 years old but didn't really look it. Nice figure with large breasts and an excellent, friendly attitude. She offered extras, including anal, but at 1200 pesos (negotiable), I passed and just went for the servicio normal (600 pesos for a CBJ followed by good sex in 3 positions). Talented girl, nice bod, and good technique. I'd do her again.

Sandy was 22 years old but could have passed for 19 easily. Very attractive, clean, and petite. Not quite spinner material, but damn close to it. It was clear that she didn't like doing BJs, and her offered "extras" was basically kissing for 200 pesos or BBBJ for 300 pesos. I was undwhelmed. Anal was not offered, and it was also clear that she was just going through the motions. Technique left a lot to be desired. Great looking girl, excellent body, and very tight pussy, but an unenthusiastic faker. Might repeat, but would probably prefer another chica if a good looker were available.

Feliz navidad!

Zygomatic

12-25-09, 23:07

My Monterrey girlfriend is visiting for the holidays and brought me several magazines that advertise P4P in the back pages. Some advertised service in Christmas and New Years day. Thanks to you and these advertisements I will definitely be going next week.

The possibilities still seem plentify and I'm looking forward to visiting Mercellas, Misses and other Massage Parlors. I may just take the paper on one hand and have the Taxi driver take me to them.

MonterreyDude

12-26-09, 21:35

It is vitually impossible for Monterrey services to offer a good selection on holidays, specially since the girls might live with their families and there is no excuse to leave home telling them "am going to work" when nothing is open.

That is why strip clubs preffer to close their doors, since the best girls will not be present and neither will the best customers.

Hot Dog, one thing... why not expand your MP list with Extravagance?

http://www.extravagancemassage.com

A little further out from your hotel, but a good option.

Check it out... I'll place some more options later on when I find their webpages.

I visit Monterrey frequently and spend about 30 days per year total in the city. Though I sometimes enjoy the clubs that others here mention, my favorite place over the past couple years has been Marcella (Allende 220). It's a short 3 block walk from the Holiday Inn Centro, where I often stay because of the low rates.

I was kind of worried that they wouldn't be open over the Christmas holidays, but the worry was for nothing. They're open til 9 tonight (nochebuena) and they open tomorrow morning (Christmas) at 11. Chica selection seemed a little light to me today though-they had about 5 girls working. I did 2 back to back sessions, one with Carla, one with Sandy. Don't know if either of these 2 are on their website (www.Pompis. Com. Mx), which seems to feature young 19 year olds.

Carla was 30 years old but didn't really look it. Nice figure with large breasts and an excellent, friendly attitude. She offered extras, including anal, but at 1200 pesos (negotiable), I passed and just went for the servicio normal (600 pesos for a CBJ followed by good sex in 3 positions). Talented girl, nice bod, and good technique. I'd do her again.

Sandy was 22 years old but could have passed for 19 easily. Very attractive, clean, and petite. Not quite spinner material, but damn close to it. It was clear that she didn't like doing BJs, and her offered "extras" was basically kissing for 200 pesos or BBBJ for 300 pesos. I was undwhelmed. Anal was not offered, and it was also clear that she was just going through the motions. Technique left a lot to be desired. Great looking girl, excellent body, and very tight pussy, but an unenthusiastic faker. Might repeat, but would probably prefer another chica if a good looker were available.

Feliz navidad!

Hog Dog

12-26-09, 23:34

Hot Dog, one thing... why not expand your MP list with Extravagance?

http://www.extravagancemassage.com

A little further out from your hotel, but a good option.

Check it out... I'll place some more options later on when I find their webpages.Hey, thanks for the recommendation!

I like places en el centro where I can easily walk or get there via taxi with under 50 pesos. Extravagance certainly looks like it fits the bill. I will try it and see if I like it even better than Marcella. The other places I occasionally visit downtown include Verssace and El Baron (though it's been a couple years since I've been to the latter. Last time they seemed to have gone downhill with too many gorditas).

Your reports seem to indicate a preference for the clubs, and places like Infinito are always a lot of fun, but the filthy upstairs privados turn me off and take out always ends up costing more than a session at Marcella, which is clean and well run, so for partaking, I usually prefer the MP route.

Thanks again for the recommendation!

Zygomatic

12-27-09, 09:29

It is vitually impossible for Monterrey services to offer a good selection on holidaysIf the selection in Monterrey over the holiday's is par at best, it still does not deter me from visiting over news years weekend.

I have 2 main reasons:

1) The selection in Texas is always shitty. If we compare it to the selection currently in Monterrey, I will dare to say that Monterrey still beats Texas in rice, quality and quantity

2) Like allot of us, I have extra time to fill which I would prefer to spend it fucking instead of the alternative.

I know you were not talking to me Amigomio, but just thought I would put in my 2 cents..

Thanks,

MonterreyDude

12-28-09, 08:40

I should have more links, but now, being the end of the month, many have run out of bandwidth like Regias

http://www.regias-mty.com/

And Romanos, little brother to Misses, both seem to have disapeared:

http://www.romaxxx.com.mx

http://www.missesdiamante.com.mx

Lets wait till the begining of the new year and see what rings in.

Hey, thanks for the recommendation!

I like places en el centro where I can easily walk or get there via taxi with under 50 pesos. Extravagance certainly looks like it fits the bill. I will try it and see if I like it even better than Marcella. The other places I occasionally visit downtown include Verssace and El Baron (though it's been a couple years since I've been to the latter. Last time they seemed to have gone downhill with too many gorditas).

Your reports seem to indicate a preference for the clubs, and places like Infinito are always a lot of fun, but the filthy upstairs privados turn me off and take out always ends up costing more than a session at Marcella, which is clean and well run, so for partaking, I usually prefer the MP route.

Thanks again for the recommendation!

Hog Dog

12-31-09, 23:16

I tried Extravagance yesterday, but I came away very unimpressed. The 500 peso 20'minute session is an excellent price, but I didn't think the lineup of available chicas was very impressive (though admittedly, this is a holiday week and things may be slower than usual).

Extravagance is nowhere close to being in the same league with Marcella in terms of facilities and cleanliness. The place is just an unmarked door where you press a buzzer and are ushered into a narrow hallway with a couple of sofas scrunched into what little space there is. The doorman calls out the chicas and you make your pick. Rooms are on the grungey side.

Location is on Dr. Coss, about 7 blocks from the old Palacio de Gobierno.

I chose a young, raven haired chica named Daniela. Slim, small breasts, not a beauty, but okay (maybe a 6 in terms of body, 6. 5 in the face). In the room, well. Let's just say that I've met mechanical bulls with sexier technique. She got the job done for 500 pesos, but that's it.

Sooo, given the grungey, less comfortable facilities, less convenient location, worse lineup of chicas and my relatively poor first session there, I'm unlikely to come back to Extravagance anytime soon. Marcella remains a far superior value even if the price is 100 pesos more.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

http://www.extravagancemassage.com

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MonterreyDude

01-03-10, 01:14

Nothing goes on within the Christmas Day and New Year's week.

Girls are away with their kids, or id they attend school, they have no excuse to leave home for it.

You have to wait till first or second week of January to see everthing jump back to normal...

I tried Extravagance yesterday, but I came away very unimpressed. The 500 peso 20'minute session is an excellent price, but I didn't think the lineup of available chicas was very impressive (though admittedly, this is a holiday week and things may be slower than usual).

Extravagance is nowhere close to being in the same league with Marcella in terms of facilities and cleanliness. The place is just an unmarked door where you press a buzzer and are ushered into a narrow hallway with a couple of sofas scrunched into what little space there is. The doorman calls out the chicas and you make your pick. Rooms are on the grungey side.

Location is on Dr. Coss, about 7 blocks from the old Palacio de Gobierno.

I chose a young, raven haired chica named Daniela. Slim, small breasts, not a beauty, but okay (maybe a 6 in terms of body, 6. 5 in the face). In the room, well. Let's just say that I've met mechanical bulls with sexier technique. She got the job done for 500 pesos, but that's it.

Sooo, given the grungey, less comfortable facilities, less convenient location, worse lineup of chicas and my relatively poor first session there, I'm unlikely to come back to Extravagance anytime soon. Marcella remains a far superior value even if the price is 100 pesos more.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

http://www.extravagancemassage.com

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El Cabron 007

01-03-10, 21:42

Hola Cabrones

Carbón vete tranquilito chico

Hog Dog

01-04-10, 20:33

Nothing goes on within the Christmas Day and New Year's week.

Girls are away with their kids, or id they attend school, they have no excuse to leave home for it.

You have to wait till first or second week of January to see everthing jump back to normal...Well, sort of, but not really true.

Places are SLOWER with less selection, but there's no shortage of open strip clubs, massage parlors or escort services. You will have a BETTER selection if you wait until the 1st or 2nd week of January --- no doubt about it --- but saying that "nothing goes on" is just plain 100% WRONG (and I'm not sure what your reason would be for misleading readers into thinking there will be no options).

Hog Dog

01-04-10, 20:46

Before you guys jump on me for saying Amigomio is wrong, let me tell you about a session that backs up his point.

New Years Day things are pretty much dead in Monterrey. There's not many taxis on the streets, 95% of the stores are closed up tight as a drum, and even quite a few of the mongering outlets are limited. I saw some ads the week before Christmas for massage parlors and strip clubs that said they were open regular hours on the holidays, and one of these was my fave MP, Marcella.

Usually, on a typical afternoon, you'd find at least a half dozen young women to choose from, but on New Years Day at about 4pm, there were exactly TWO working (and no customers either, judging from all the open doors upstairs). I chose Cynthia, who isn't anywhere close to the cutest girl you'd usually find there, but she's got a good attitude (and loves kissing, which some of the girls won't do, or will charge extra for). A little chunky and a couple tats that distract me, but she's enthusiastic and that counts for something with me. Nice technique on a CBJ and she'd have probably been good for the usual "3 positions" except that I wasn't going to last past 2 positions, if ya know what I mean.

Best 600-peso "New Years Party" of the year (even if the guest list was a bit small).

So anyway, not a lot to choose from, but the options ARE still out there.

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El Cabron 007

01-05-10, 06:56

Was just about to do just that ... but you did well ...

However, if you take someone like Amigo or ... well .. me for example, we are used to being surrounded by chicas we like and may play with a couple of them, if not 3, 4 or more. Now change channels to a new year's day or xmas when, instead of 60, there are 5 girls working. I counted them. Five girls.

Add to that the fact that we may not like any of the available selection.

This counts as "Nothing goes on"

Before you guys jump on me for saying Amigomio is wrong, let me tell you about a session that backs up his point.

Hog Dog

01-06-10, 10:15

I was walking along Hidalgo next to the Gran Ancira hotel and noticed a mens club that I'd never been in before --- I think it was called Reno --- right next door to Hotel Colonial.

Unfortunately, it was afternoon and the place was closed, so couldn't check it out to see what they had to offer. Has anybody visited this place or know anything about it?

I suspect it's a rip-off, but am hoping otherwise since it's within easy crawling-home-drunk-at-2am distance from so many centro hotels.

Member #3453

01-06-10, 11:31

Actually, anyone that has been in Monterrey for long periods of time will become incrementally less impressed, taking it for granted, and become more critical with the overall scene as time goes by.

I recall when I started coming to Monterrey ten years ago, I was literally awe struck at that time. But, ten years later, it takes a lot more to impress me. So, frequent exposure has a tendency to promote a numbing effect, and one can sometimes take Monterrey a little too much for granted (ie:nothing goes on). This is especially true of those of us living in Monterrey, living so close to the well.

The pickings this time of year are so thin as compared to the norm that anyone who really knows Monterrey well can only be comparatively disappointed around the holidays. Not to say there is nothing to choose from, but comparatively, "nothing goes on."

I suppose that were you to compare a "nothing goes on" circumstance to the US strip club scene at high season, Monterrey, even at it's slowest pace, is far superior. So, everything is relative.

Locals have a tendency to take Monterrey's delights relatively for granted, and generally skip the prospect of being so comparatively disappointed around the holidays. With this reduction in patrons, a reduction in girls isn't too far behind. It appears to locals as a comparative "ghost town" environment when the holiday season comes around.

Most locals, and 90% of girls, usually take a few weeks off during that time of year, not even stepping foot in clubs for several weeks, while the whole system prepares for a re-emergence around January 14th...which happens to be a Thursday this year, exactly the day that you will see, incrementally, many more girls return to work as they capitalize on the week end opportunities, and skip the comparatively slow first part of that week...my prediction.

Well, sort of, but not really true.

Places are SLOWER with less selection, but there's no shortage of open strip clubs, massage parlors or escort services. You will have a BETTER selection if you wait until the 1st or 2nd week of January --- no doubt about it --- but saying that "nothing goes on" is just plain 100% WRONG (and I'm not sure what your reason would be for misleading readers into thinking there will be no options).

MonterreyDude

01-06-10, 20:12

Reno is not new to that part of the downtown area. The club is part of the Amnesia MC familiy, meaning extremely expensive.

http://www.renomonterrey.com/

And closed during the afternoon?
They have an afternoon shift, was this recent or during the Christmas holidays?

Anyway, girls here quote outcalls as high as 4000 pesos (by outcalls, the girls do it to the back of Reno, which as other MCs, forbid girls doing things out side premises).

In other words and as per your definition, yes, Reno is a rip-off.

I was walking along Hidalgo next to the Gran Ancira hotel and noticed a mens club that I'd never been in before --- I think it was called Reno --- right next door to Hotel Colonial.

Unfortunately, it was afternoon and the place was closed, so couldn't check it out to see what they had to offer. Has anybody visited this place or know anything about it?

I suspect it's a rip-off, but am hoping otherwise since it's within easy crawling-home-drunk-at-2am distance from so many centro hotels.

Hog Dog

01-07-10, 01:40

The pickings this time of year are so thin as compared to the norm that anyone who really knows Monterrey well can only be comparatively disappointed around the holidays. Not to say there is nothing to choose from, but comparatively, "nothing goes on."

I suppose that were you to compare a "nothing goes on" circumstance to the US strip club scene at high season, Monterrey, even at it's slowest pace, is far superior. So, everything is relative.

Locals have a tendency to take Monterrey's delights relatively for granted, and generally skip the prospect of being so comparatively disappointed around the holidays. With this reduction in patrons, a reduction in girls isn't too far behind. It appears to locals as a comparative "ghost town" environment when the holiday season comes around.

You're definitely on target there, Mr. Unsponge.

While you guys who enjoy Monterrey 24/7 might see things as slow at this time of year, us out-of-towners might be coming from the repressed U.S. where P4P is illegal, discouraged, hidden, expensive, and fraught with risk. So even what you see as "slim pickings" looks like a smorgasbord feast.

If you're in the U.S., your choices are often:
* a $20 BJ from an old, ugly drugged out SW
* a trip downtown or a $300 citation from the police when the good-looking SW turns out to be a cop
* a $160 massage from an unknown quantity advertising on craigslist whose add clearly said "GFE"
* innumerable $20 lap dances in a strip club, hoping something will happen that never does
* a $400 escort who doesn't look like her picture and who starts getting dressed to leave when you pop just 15 minutes into your "1 hour session"

Like Einstein says, "it's all relative".

Strike 69

01-07-10, 08:39

You're definitely on target there, Mr. Unsponge.

While you guys who enjoy Monterrey 24/7 might see things as slow at this time of year, us out-of-towners might be coming from the repressed U.S. where P4P is illegal, discouraged, hidden, expensive, and fraught with risk. So even what you see as "slim pickings" looks like a smorgasbord feast.

If you're in the U.S., your choices are often:
* a $20 BJ from an old, ugly drugged out SW
* a trip downtown or a $300 citation from the police when the good-looking SW turns out to be a cop
* a $160 massage from an unknown quantity advertising on craigslist whose add clearly said "GFE"
* innumerable $20 lap dances in a strip club, hoping something will happen that never does
* a $400 escort who doesn't look like her picture and who starts getting dressed to leave when you pop just 15 minutes into your "1 hour session"

Like Einstein says, "it's all relative".

I wonder if the US porn industry is also under attack of some conservatives right now??? I am more familiarized with European adult companies (Private Media Group, Marc Dorcel) but given the repressive sexual enviroment you describe and we all know, I wonder how American porn companies (Zero Tolerance, Vivid) manage to shot porn movies in the US????.

MonterreyDude

01-07-10, 09:16

I think you are like 8 years late.

During the Bush administration porn took real good flak as in all major porn producers must have in hand proof of age, always.
Most of the collateral damage of these 8 years can be felt on laws governing several countries where if you are caught with pics of naked ladies within your possesion, AND you do not have proof of age, you go straight to jail for having pics of minors (even if they are not minors).

Plus the law that states that any electronic memory media (memory cards, lap tops) are subjectable to search by Homeland Security Inspectors on the border checks... all Bush fall out.

So back in the US, it's borderline with porn producers: on one side porn claims 1st Ammendment on the other, villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Very delicate balance.

I wonder if the US porn industry is also under attack of some conservatives right now??? I am more familiarized with European adult companies (Private Media Group, Marc Dorcel) but given the repressive sexual enviroment you describe and we all know, I wonder how American porn companies (Zero Tolerance, Vivid) manage to shot porn movies in the US????.

Member #3453

01-07-10, 14:38

Blame Bush AGAIN? We are coming to the end of the Blame Bush era, and there will soon be a day of reckoning...and, I am not a defender of George Bush, who was, frankly, a poor excuse for a true conservative, perhaps even a fiscal leftist in sheep's clothing.

I myself subscribe to a fiscally conservative/libertarian view, hence the dichotomy you find in me here, as evidenced by frequent visits to houses of ill repute and strip clubs, and my otherwise depraved nature revealed on the boards.

:-)))

Frankly, concerning the porn industry, I've heard it the other way around, that the actions of the Bush Administration actually saved the "legitimate" porn industry. The porn industry in the US has experienced some of its most profitable years, and strongest growth during the Bush Administration.

Remember, how child porn exploded during the Bush Administration, and the public outrage over child porn was affecting the porn industry as a whole.
I recall public outrage being so hysterical over the proliferation of child porn that US society's reaction threatened to completely shut down the legitimate porn industry.

It's quite possible that without stricter, no tolerance, enforcement of child porn laws, the entire porn industry could have experienced it's doom had they not taken steps to isolate, and aggressively prosecute, that aspect of the porn industry that the public was finding so intolerable.

The Bush Administration may have unwittingly preserved the "legitimate" porn industry by sharply focusing their attention on a problem that could have had huge restrictive implications on the porn industry as a whole. As it stands now, the porn industry flourishes almost like no other industry with respect to growth, even now during a "depression" such as we've not seen since 1932.

The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $13 billion dollars in gross revenues annually. An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers. Figures for the 2006 & 2005 US Porn Industry Revenue Statistics show $13.33 and $12.62 billion respectively, the exact period in which the Bush Administration is being blamed for killing the porn industry. US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC...all of this occurring during the Bush Administration.

If we are going to Blame Bush for everything, then we must also be fair, and blame him accordingly...

With respect to the laws governing search and seizure of electronic media, that practice began with other law enforcement agencies that had little or nothing to do with the charge of border protection.

During that period in time, the legal issues involving the search of electronic media were uncharted waters, and have to this day been evolving. My feeling is that the proliferation of that technology came of age during the Bush Administration, and those laws were not necessarily something perpetrated by the Bush Administration upon society.

The US courts have been the deciding factor as to the legality of searching electronic media for evidence, and border protection simply exercised their broader powers of search and seizure as that methodology matured in other unrelated law enforcement endeavors, and as court verdicts established legal precedent for search and seizure of evidence involving electronic media.

The people working in border protection always had the right to search anything as you cross the border, and to seize and prosecute anything they interpreted as contraband. But, it's only after other law enforcement agencies began to use the search and seizure of electronic media to build cases that Border Protection started to see electronic media as potentially eligible for such scrutiny.

I think you are like 8 years late.

During the Bush administration porn took real good flak as in all mayor porn producers must have in hand proof of age, always.
Most of the collateral damage of these 8 years can be felt on laws governing several countries where if you are caught with pics of naked ladies within your possesion, AND you do not have proof of age, you go straight to jail for having pics of minors (even if they are not minors).

Plus the law that states that any electronic memory media (memory cards, lap tops) are subjectable to search by Homeland Security Inspectors on the border checks... all Bush fall out.

So back in the US, it's borderline with porn producers: on one side porn claims 1st Ammendment on the other, villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Very delicate balance.

MonterreyDude

01-08-10, 03:07

Oh no, porn suffered a lot.

I remember an instance that was used as an excuse to try to give the industry a whipping: A big name porno star returned with Aids from Brazil and passed it a long to a couple of starlets.

A starlet gave it to a couple of guys and a shemale star also got it.

Using those 3 examples, the forces of prudence wanted to impose the condom as a standard on all people part of the pornography industry.

Of course that would have been the end of the industry as a money maker.
I remember the big shots said that that would force them to go underground and film as they used to back in the 60-70s.

The ammount of money they were making on the early 2000's is a sign that the industry was on an uphill trend.
The uphill was due to the internet and the industry paying attention to this brand new venue and still they were being attacked.

In those years, everything was underfire: swingers, webcams, amatuer porno productions... some providers refused to allow people to use their services to transmit cam to cam sex acts.

Yahoo and MSN for a while were not aproving chat rooms that offer sex PtoP. MSN disbanded their Communites cause they were being used by people in a sex way.
I don't know if any of you remember, but for a while both providers were going not to allow cam transmissions.
Those policies are no longer enforced or were never taken in consideration.

Am posting two of the scandalous articles from way back in 2004.
The second one speaks of a *gasp* impending epidemic due to the lack of control. They even wrote down the names of all the actors that had contact with the guy from Brazil.

April 15, 2004
Str8 Star with AIDS - Partners Named
As reported in AVN (Adult Video News), straight porn star Darren James has been confirmed as being HIV positive. Click [CONTINUE] to read the whole story.
Why is this news?
Yes, people sero-convert every day and it's sad that anyone should catch the disease. Darren James assumes that he contracted the disease from unprotected sex with a woman in Rio March 10, and has worked with up to twelve porn actresses since that date. What bothers me is that AVN has published the names of all the women he has worked with and all the men that have had sex with them! They have all been placed on a quarantine list. AIM's Sharon Mitchel is suggesting a moratorium on porn production until all parties have been tested.
Straight porn companies seldom use condoms and prefer to have all performers tested before a shoot. AIM claimed that their procedures have significantly reduced transmission of STD in the straight porn industry.
Should gay porn producers adopt the same rules? Would you want your name published for having sex with an infected partner? Would gay porn producers voluntarily abide by quarantines, or production moratoriums?

**********

Health officials Wednesday obtained a list of the legal names of 53 adult-movie actors who were known to have had sexual contact with two actors infected with HIV or with someone else who had sex with the two. Details below.

The Day After: Adult Industry Scrambles to Prevent Epidemic
By: Scott Ross
04-15-2004

LOS ANGELES - Yesterday, the day after veteran performer Darren James was confirmed as HIV-positive, the adult industry was attempting to ascertain how far the virus may have spread, knowing that certain knowledge that it the virus hasn’t spread won’t come until June.
No other HIV-positive results have turned up as of yet.
The number of women known to have worked with Darren James during the time he is suspected to have been working while HIV-positive stayed at twelve, where it is expected stay. The twelve women are known as the “first-generation,” signifying their status as having had sex with James, the person who unknowingly brought the virus into the industry.
Adult Industry Medical Healthcare (AIM) foundation is currently concentrating on identifying the second-generation, people that have worked with members of the first-generation on or after the date that James had worked with them. The list continues to grow.
Brock, Dominico, Mark, Sledge Hammer, Brian Pumper, Steven St. Croix, Alex Saunders, Tony Sexton, Brian Surewood, and L.T. Turner were added to the second-generation list yesterday.
Tony Tedeschi, Jim Beem, and Jay Ashley have also been reported as belonging to the second-generation by the production company that shot the scene, but have not been added to the quarantine list by AIM yet.
Talent placed on the second-generation list on Tuesday were: Carlos Mendes, Mark Anthony, T.T. Boy, Sean Michaels, Julian St. Jox, Mark Davis, Jason Zupalo, Duane Commings, Judy Starr and Marco T.

Blame Bush AGAIN? We are coming to the end of the Blame Bush era, and there will soon be a day of reckoning...and, I am not a defender of George Bush, who was, frankly, a poor excuse for a true conservative, perhaps even a fiscal leftist in sheep's clothing.

I myself subscribe to a fiscally conservative/libertarian view, hence the dichotomy you find in me here, as evidenced by frequent visits to houses of ill repute and strip clubs, and my otherwise depraved nature revealed on the boards.

:-)))

Frankly, concerning the porn industry, I've heard it the other way around, that the actions of the Bush Administration actually saved the "legitimate" porn industry. The porn industry in the US has experienced some of its most profitable years, and strongest growth during the Bush Administration.

Remember, how child porn exploded during the Bush Administration, and the public outrage over child porn was affecting the porn industry as a whole.
I recall public outrage being so hysterical over the proliferation of child porn that US society's reaction threatened to completely shut down the legitimate porn industry.

It's quite possible that without stricter, no tolerance, enforcement of child porn laws, the entire porn industry could have experienced it's doom had they not taken steps to isolate, and aggressively prosecute, that aspect of the porn industry that the public was finding so intolerable.

The Bush Administration may have unwittingly preserved the "legitimate" porn industry by sharply focusing their attention on a problem that could have had huge restrictive implications on the porn industry as a whole. As it stands now, the porn industry flourishes almost like no other industry with respect to growth, even now during a "depression" such as we've not seen since 1932.

The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $13 billion dollars in gross revenues annually. An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers. Figures for the 2006 & 2005 US Porn Industry Revenue Statistics show $13.33 and $12.62 billion respectively, the exact period in which the Bush Administration is being blamed for killing the porn industry. US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC...all of this occurring during the Bush Administration.

If we are going to Blame Bush for everything, then we must also be fair, and blame him accordingly...

With respect to the laws governing search and seizure of electronic media, that practice began with other law enforcement agencies that had little or nothing to do with the charge of border protection.

During that period in time, the legal issues involving the search of electronic media were uncharted waters, and have to this day been evolving. My feeling is that the proliferation of that technology came of age during the Bush Administration, and those laws were not necessarily something perpetrated by the Bush Administration upon society.

The US courts have been the deciding factor as to the legality of searching electronic media for evidence, and border protection simply exercised their broader powers of search and seizure as that methodology matured in other unrelated law enforcement endeavors, and as court verdicts established legal precedent for search and seizure of evidence involving electronic media.

The people working in border protection always had the right to search anything as you cross the border, and to seize and prosecute anything they interpreted as contraband. But, it's only after other law enforcement agencies began to use the search and seizure of electronic media to build cases that Border Protection started to see electronic media as potentially eligible for such scrutiny.

Doubt98

01-09-10, 15:37

Plus the law that states that any electronic memory media (memory cards, lap tops) are subjectable to search by Homeland Security Inspectors on the border checks... all Bush fall out.

When you cross the border you do not have the same Constitutional protections that you have in your everyday life. The Supreme Court decided that long before Bush was in office. In fact they ruled that you have little or no rights when gaining entry to the country. Citizen or not.

The search of the media cards is just an extension of the search powers they already had. Plus, people like to forget that the provisions in the Patriot Act were just recently renewed by President Obama, with little to no modification.

I was there between Christmas and New Years. The selection was small but I did manage to find something worthwhile. Not a 'best I've ever had' experience but got my money's worth.

El Cabron I am always amazed how you can corral 2 or 3 of those crazy women. I have a hard time keeping 1 under control.

Hog Dog

01-09-10, 15:50

Blame Bush AGAIN? We are coming to the end of the Blame Bush era, and there will soon be a day of reckoning...and, I am not a defender of George Bush, who was, frankly, a poor excuse for a true conservative, perhaps even a fiscal leftist in sheep's clothing.

Ohhhh, I don't know. Considering the magnitude of the damage Bush and his cronies did to the U.S. and other countries, there will be messes to clean up well into the next decade (not to mention of blame very appropriately placed at his sorry ass doorstep).

No more to say about that though since politics generally bores me. Except for the sex scandals that is.

Have you ever noticed that Republicans seems to have sorry-ass sex scandals too? They need to read International Sex Guide more often. If they did, they wouldn't be getting into messes like SC Gov. Mark Sandford, hopping a plane to Argentina to hook up with a woman who wasn't even very hot. What an idiot! He could have read Jackson's posts in the Argentina Private board and found DOZENS of smokin' hot women who would put a shit eatin' grin on his face for sure.

And don't even get me started on that idiot Senator Craig from Idaho. Trolling for gay men in the Minneapolis airport?! How lame is THAT!?!?!

Democrats do sex scandals better. At least New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer did. He'd read the boards to find out about escort services and had hooked himself up with a pretty hot looking young woman. I'd have definitely done her. But I wouldn't want to be paying the kind of sky-high prices that Spitzer was supposedly dipping into funds to pony up. Surely he could have found just as attractive ho's for half the price. Idiot!

Member #3453

01-10-10, 06:40

Considering the magnitude of the damage Bush and his cronies did to the U.S. and other countries
I object to the "Blame Bush" b/s because it's meant to distract from holding accountable all of leftists from both parties that were truly responsible for sabotaging the economies of the world with their self serving social engineering and their already historically failed academic elitist fiscal experiments.

I was fortunate to read an article listing in some detail the numbers of times these failed fiscal policies have been tried throughout history, and there are countless examples of the same policies being implemented throughout history, policies identical to what they're promoting now, policies that have failed miserably at every turn, to the extent that the economies of the world free fall to correction each time they're tried.

Then the idiots in power forget the lessons of history and start it all over again about every 20 years. Literally, in history, all across the globe, there are examples of these failed policies all the way back as far as 500 years, each example occurring about every twenty years throughout history. A very enlightening article indeed, one that reveals the folly of our inept, relatively uneducated politicians.

And now, we are all going to get the same thing done to us by ten fold as the "Anointed One" perpetrates even greater experimentation upon the already weary American Citizenry, something that I fear is likely to bankrupt the USA and pilfer whatever wealth remains in the world unless Americans demand a drastic and swift correction of present day policy.

And, you're right, Jackson will delete all this political commentary unless we also contribute something on subject...Lets see, well, how 'bout I comment on what I've been reading on one of the Spanish Speaking Local Monterrey forums...

One of the guys that posts on the Spanish speaking boards decided that he was going to be giving up going to the strip clubs so he could stop drinking. Said he was retiring, and that he would no longer be posting because he was giving up the "teibols," as he put it.

I was kind of shocked...Mexican dude, in his early 20's, giving up drinking, and also giving up "the tables" as a valiant means to an end. Commendable, but hardly realistic, IMHO. And, what a waste. Twenty years old, all those youthful advantages squandered away as he tries to find himself.

Oh, what I would have done at twenty years old turned loose in Monterrey. Unfortunately, I was clueless at that age, exiled to the waste land, not really knowing what I was missing, and little or no money to invest.

My opinion, if you want to stop drinking, then give up the booze, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I strictly drink either botellas de agua natural con hielo (bottled water with ice), or coke lite con hielo (diet coke with ice).

I don't have anything against those who enjoy alcohol, but ordering alcohol is the absolute last thing on my mind when I enter the clubs. I drink alcohol when conducting business, but am fortunate in that I could not care less about it otherwise. For me, it is strictly business. One less vice to deal with, verdad? For me, it's easy to dispense with the alcohol, but perhaps for someone whose focused upon it, the mere exposure in a club setting is too much to bare.

From a mongering perspective, if alcohol is your primary focus, it will most assuredly sabotage your effectiveness at the mongering game, and distract you in implementation of your best chosen strategies, not to mention slowly and stealthfully drain your mongering budjet.

On the other hand, if alcohol is your primary focus, then you might as well be drinking with a hot babe on your lap. :-) So, to each his own.

Member #3453

01-10-10, 15:37

El Cabron I am always amazed how you can corral 2 or 3 of those crazy women. I have a hard time keeping 1 under control.

El Cabron has gone the way of the Sponge, and passing all of his time with his novia verdad, except doing so in alternate venues these days. Although, I suspect he is still sampling the occasional delights that abound, I can't be sure. I suspect the days of 2, 3, and 4 girls all running around naked in his room are, for all intents and purposes, a relative thing of the past, memories to be cherished. I'll ask him to comment on that one.

Hog Dog

01-10-10, 21:22

If you're looking for a decent MP in Monterrey, LeBaron (in el centro, at Tapia 329) is a fairly good bet.

Several years ago, I was going there fairly often, and still would except that Marcella strikes me as a much more pleasant experience overall, and I've been having pretty good luck with independent escorts.

Last time I sessioned at LeBaron, it was okay --- not great, but I still got my money's worth. I didn't have any recent, specific recommendations on hand, so just dropped in and chose from the available lineup. I selected a girl who went by the name Rebeca. She had a few extra pounds in the panza, but a nice smile that warmed my icy heart.

The rooms are smaller and nowhere near as comfortable as at Marcella, but they get the job done and are several notches better than at the spas with the el cheapo prices advertised in El Sol.

She told me she was 25, but the body said "more like 30". She had a pretty decent attitude (not great, but okay), though her technique was not what I liked. She had this "control freak" approach in which, every time my hands would wander from where she wanted them, she shoved them back in their place. She wanted to control the pacing too: I often like to slow things down a bit --- but she was a pumper. Some guys probably like that, just like some guys might think it's a turn-on when a strip club girl slaps her own ass (I don't...but to each his own).

Anyway, if you're checking out Monterrey MPs, Le Baron might do okay for you. It'll cost a couple hundred pesos more than some of the MPs you'll see mentioned here and elsewhere, but I'm not convinced that it's really worth paying too much more (I still think Marcella is better).

Zygomatic

01-12-10, 06:17

Well, sort of, but not really true.

Places are SLOWER with less selection, but there's no shortage of open strip clubs, massage parlors or escort services. You will have a BETTER selection if you wait until the 1st or 2nd week of January --- no doubt about it --- but saying that "nothing goes on" is just plain 100% WRONG (and I'm not sure what your reason would be for misleading readers into thinking there will be no options).I really needed to find out how Monterrey really is during the holidays, especially since most Americans have PTO during these days. I went to Marcellas, Misses and a few Massage parlors. The one day when I drove on Villagran and everything seemed dead was either new years eve or new years day, I can't remember exactly.

I do remember that Infinto was closed both days but the Tangalay, right in front was open. I went in there and there were hot girls, but the door guy said that you could not take them outside the club since the selection was not a large.

I remember I fucked 2 girls back to back at a MP off villagran. I would say that the selection was 35% of what it usually is during a general weekend.

I must say that Mercellas was good and I hit Misses January 2nd and the selection was jaw dropping.. I have literrally never seen so many hot girls in one room at the same time so close... about 5 10's and 1 8.5.

Hog Dog

01-13-10, 00:44

I must say that Mercellas was good and I hit Misses January 2nd and the selection was jaw dropping.. I have literrally never seen so many hot girls in one room at the same time so close... about 5 10's and 1 8.5.

Awesome!!!

What's Misses like? Nice place?? Expensive?

Zygomatic

01-13-10, 03:17

Awesome!

What's Misses like? Nice place? Expensive?Misses is on 624 Tapia, between Rayon and Pino Suares. There is no sign, but the gates will be open, very nice brown house and the letters 624 on the side.

Like I said, the ladies are the best of the best and they run between 1200 to 1800 pesos, but don't be suprised if they try to upsell you. I paid 1800 plus 200 tip for my 10. Let me know if you try it.

BTW, I would like to ask you a question.. I saw the Express Holiday Inn on Hidalgo street? Anyways, like you said, it's a 3 short block walk and chances are you will not run into anyone at night. However, do you always stay at the Holiday Inn Express? Sometime I get scared going to Marcellas because I end up walking to Guactemoc and takes me at lest 5 mins to catch a taxi.

MonterreyDude

01-13-10, 08:15

Let me do some fine tuning here if you are taking a taxi.

The address is: Tapia 624 poniente entre Pino Suarez y Rayon (place always the big street first as a reference, not the first street acording to the traffic flow)

If going on taxi, do not tip the girls, cause your price, with just a few exceptions, will be 1800-2000 due to driver kickbacks.

And fairly said by a local, me, the girls at Misses are good, but not that top notch as they were when the business originaly opened.
Girls now tend to rotate around Versace, Regias, independent escorts, etc. and mainly they are composed of girls that want more money for less sex with customers.

The best? I don't think so.
Misses #1? Fame still surrounds this in-call still making it #1

Misses is on 624 Tapia, between Rayon and Pino Suares. There is no sign, but the gates will be open, very nice brown house and the letters 624 on the side.

Like I said, the ladies are the best of the best and they run between 1200 to 1800 pesos, but don't be suprised if they try to upsell you. I paid 1800 plus 200 tip for my 10. Let me know if you try it.

BTW, I would like to ask you a question.. I saw the Express Holiday Inn on Hidalgo street? Anyways, like you said, it's a 3 short block walk and chances are you will not run into anyone at night. However, do you always stay at the Holiday Inn Express? Sometime I get scared going to Marcellas because I end up walking to Guactemoc and takes me at lest 5 mins to catch a taxi.

Hog Dog

01-13-10, 23:32

BTW, I would like to ask you a question.. I saw the Express Holiday Inn on Hidalgo street? Anyways, like you said, it's a 3 short block walk and chances are you will not run into anyone at night. However, do you always stay at the Holiday Inn Express? Sometime I get scared going to Marcellas because I end up walking to Guactemoc and takes me at lest 5 mins to catch a taxi.

I stay at different places around town. Depends on what I've got planned, where I get good rates, etc.

The hotel I'd mentioned before as being an easy walk to Marcella is a regular Holiday Inn (not an HI Express), and it's the one at Padre Mier 194, with one side of the hotel having an entrance on Padre Mier, and the other having an entrance onto Morelos (where it terminates at Hidalgo).

From this hotel, it's a very easy walk to Marcella, just down the hill 2 blocks on Benito Juarez, then take a left into Allende, which is a narrow street. I probably wouldn't do this walk late at night either, but on an afternoon, with lots of people on the street, I feel safe enough.

Hog Dog

01-13-10, 23:36

If going on taxi, do not tip the girls, cause your price, with just a few exceptions, will be 1800-2000 due to driver kickbacks.

And fairly said by a local, me, the girls at Misses are good, but not that top notch as they were when the business originaly opened.
Girls now tend to rotate around Versace, Regias, independent escorts, etc. and mainly they are composed of girls that want more money for less sex with customers.

The best? I don't think so.
Misses #1? Fame still surrounds this in-call still making it #1

Very interesting.

I've been wondering what *THE BEST* MPs were in Monterrey and whether or not there were any really high-end brothels.

I recall being in Monterrey several years ago (sheesh, maybe it was even like 10 years back), and there was a place called Divain that had VERY hot girls --- like model quality, and they had a very nice facility. I recall the damage being over US$300, so it definitely was not a cheap option.

Any thoughts on what the best places would be these days for a guy looking for a very comfortable session with higher class girl ?

MonterreyDude

01-14-10, 07:15

Divain is still there, but 10 years are 10 years.

You went there at the very end of the era of the Monterrey Brothels, when not only Divain but Casablanca ruled the city and lap dancing was almost on the verge of erasing them from the face of the Earth.

High class girls? Same girls you can find working at the strip clubs and not mainly at MPs where they don't get the same ammount of money into their pockets.

And the damage 300 dlls.

Sorry to tell you Hot Dog, but the regular price was 1800 pesos, all included (room, girl's drinks, girls pay), just make the conversion at the exchange rate of those times.

I think you were ripped-off.

Well other options for higher end girls would be either Lucesazules or Bomboncitas regias, but those girls are way into the 3000 pesos mark per hour, and believe me, I don't think they are worth the money.

Mainly I have a strict discipline for these kind of things: Girl I haven't met, talked to her or seen her body language is worth zero to me.
That is why I don't care a lot for escort services that hide the girls faces (good for them, I wouldn't show my face in Monterrey... I understand the reasons) but I would never pay high amounts of money for girls I have never shaked hand with before, if you understand.

I preffer up to a point the MPs cause at least you can see them and pick them.
Might be scant seconds to do that, but I preffer that to no faces.

Very interesting.

I've been wondering what *THE BEST* MPs were in Monterrey and whether or not there were any really high-end brothels.

I recall being in Monterrey several years ago (sheesh, maybe it was even like 10 years back), and there was a place called Divain that had VERY hot girls --- like model quality, and they had a very nice facility. I recall the damage being over US$300, so it definitely was not a cheap option.

Any thoughts on what the best places would be these days for a guy looking for a very comfortable session with higher class girl ?

Hog Dog

01-15-10, 21:00

Mainly I have a strict discipline for these kind of things: Girl I haven't met, talked to her or seen her body language is worth zero to me.
That is why I don't care a lot for escort services that hide the girls faces (good for them, I wouldn't show my face in Monterrey... I understand the reasons) but I would never pay high amounts of money for girls I have never shaked hand with before, if you understand.

I preffer up to a point the MPs cause at least you can see them and pick them.
Might be scant seconds to do that, but I preffer that to no faces.

I disagree with you about many things, but on this matter I agree COMPLETELY.

It's bad enough dealing with "bait and switch" providers who send girls out who look NOTHING like their photos, but the risk is all that much greater when you don't show faces. Besides, an ugly face on a nice bod is worse than a pretty face on a chica who might be overweight or have small tits or a flat ass.

Always better to see what you're buying.

MonterreyDude

01-15-10, 23:01

Thank you Hot Dog: ""bait and switch", that is the word I kind of lost mentioning in my post and providers in Monterrey excel in that.

Am sure HD, you've had a few experiences on your own with ""bait and switch": Escort services that have not updated their websites, nor their pics, so when a customer asks for "X" girl they send "Y".

Ever happened to you??

I disagree with you about many things, but on this matter I agree COMPLETELY.

It's bad enough dealing with "bait and switch" providers who send girls out who look NOTHING like their photos, but the risk is all that much greater when you don't show faces. Besides, an ugly face on a nice bod is worse than a pretty face on a chica who might be overweight or have small tits or a flat ass.

Always better to see what you're buying.

Blue Skies

01-16-10, 00:11

Quick trip to MTY, will have overnight stay tomorrow night, Saturday, 16 Jan, any recommendation for night of "fun", also contacts for a good dependable driver, thanks pm me.

Blue skies

Strike 69

01-16-10, 01:49

MonterreyDude

01-16-10, 07:28

Depends on the hotel you are staying.

If it's one of the big ones, any of the cab drivers bases at the hotel will charge you per hour to keep you on the good track.

Of course one thing is that same driver you get will only home in on the big expensive strip clubs that will give him nice paybacks.
Or the expensive MPs, every which way.

Quick trip to MTY, will have overnight stay tomorrow night, Saturday, 16 Jan, any recommendation for night of "fun", also contacts for a good dependable driver, thanks pm me.

Blue skies

Doubt98

01-16-10, 14:16

Quick trip to MTY, will have overnight stay tomorrow night, Saturday, 16 Jan, any recommendation for night of "fun", also contacts for a good dependable driver, thanks pm me.

Blue skies

Have a cab driver take you to El Infinito and drop you off. Then just walk around that area and hit the clubs. There is plenty to do in a 3 block area.

Member #3453

01-18-10, 16:31

any recommendation for night of "fun", also contacts for a good dependable driver

I'm a little late with this reply, but maybe my reply will assist others with logistics and selections. My routine lately seems to have boiled down to the following agenda:

El Infinito
Givenchy
Tango
Beibis
El Cielo

El Infinito, Givenchy and Tango are all right next to each other on the East Side of the street. As you walk North from El Infinito, you will pass right by Givenchy, and then to Tango.

I feel compelled to mention some specific things about Tango, and also with respect to Beibis as well. Many of the girls that were formerly working in Parthenon, which would have made the top of my list in a position on par with El Infinito, was closed a few months ago, but is scheduled to re-open in February apparently. Many of those Parthenon girls are for the meantime now working in Beibis and Tango. In the past, I would not have wasted my time on either of these bars. But, literally, in the last two months, both have become major contenders for my attention, and deserve as much scrutiny as El Infinito.

El Cielo and Beibis are almost right across the street from each other. Walk North from El Infinito to Arteaga, which is two blocks North of El Infinito. Then walk West on Arteaga for about 1/8 mile. El Cielo will be on your left as you walk East on Arteaga. If you walk down the road that runs South on the North side of El Cielo, you'll find Beibis not more than a block away.

Many guys seem to visit Tangalay, which is right across the street from El Infinito. But, I have to be honest and say that I have never really been impressed with the place, not in over 10 years of giving the place a fair opportunity. It has a lot of patrons, and there are quite a few girls. But, I have always found that the majority of the girls there are not of the category that I find attractive, or many of them are kind of flabby, saggy, too heavy, too old, etc...I don't know...the thought of the place kind of disappoints me. I have tried giving it a chance many times. But, I just haven't ever really had any luck in there with respect to selection, or attitude.

With respect to safely walking between Villagran and El Cielo/Beibis on Arteaga, I have walked that area for ten years, sometimes at 3am in the morning and NEVER, EVER experienced so much as even a hint of any danger or threat. Walk with awareness, but so far, it's been safe.

With respect to reliable taxi drivers, again I have never, ever had any threat of danger or concern with hailing any of the taxis that are clearly marked as such and randomly selected off the street. The white taxis seem to be generally cleaner and a notch above the green ones, many of them having air conditioning in the summer time. But, probably 50% of the green ones are on par with the white ones with respect to condition of the taxi itself.

The only issue with taxis is the occasional driver that doesn't know where he's going, or the mildly annoying suggestion that they take you to alternate clubs where they earn kick backs, etc...but, I expect them to upsell for kickbacks if they can get away with it, and/or provided I am dumb enough to give them the chance.

If you mention going to El Infinito, and they start in with recommending other bars, just tell them that you don't want to go to Amnesia, Prestige, Obsession, Poisson, or anywhere else except the list I have revealed here. If they start in, I just tell them all of them are too expensive, and you have no money, "ellos estan demasiado cado, y no tengo dinero."

In finding El Infinito, I always tell them to take me to the intersection of Villagran and Carlos Salizar.. I don't tell them to take me to El Infinito, although 99% will know exactly where it is. But, by not mentioning a strip club by name, this eliminates their attempts to sway you into going to some other bar. Just tell them to drop you at the corner of Villagran and Carlos Salizar, and walk South on Villagran. They may have a suspicion about where you're headed, but they do not know for sure that you are not headed to a legitimate business in the area. And, while it seems kind of strange, most will not bring up the clubs unless you tell them that's were you're going, even though there is such a high concentration of them in the area. Most taxi drivers will not bring up that you might be going to a bar unless you mention them specifically...odd but true.

Certainly, if you want to go other places later, then no problem, I recommend it. But, visit the ones I mentioned first because if you were to miss them, you would be missing a major pool of selection. As alternates, and if you prefer a higher level of comfort, then I would recommend visiting Azul Tequilla, Pasarelas, Harem, and Casino.

But, I recommend that you start out with the bars I recommended in the first part of this post before moving on to the next (ie:more expensive) level.

Hog Dog

01-18-10, 17:32

Thank you Hot Dog: ""bait and switch", that is the word I kind of lost mentioning in my post and providers in Monterrey excel in that.

Am sure HD, you've had a few experiences on your own with ""bait and switch": Escort services that have not updated their websites, nor their pics, so when a customer asks for "X" girl they send "Y".

Ever happened to you??

I think that's happened to just about everyone at one time or another. To me, fat bodies and tattoos are total turnoffs. The worst "bait and switch" experience I had was when I called an escort service that showed pics of a lean and clean young body (no face shots) and the girl who showed up was slim enough, but when she took off her clothes, there was enough ink there to print a Tolstoy novel!

What do you do THEN? Do you send her packing after she's naked in your bed, or just roll with the flow??

Hog Dog

01-18-10, 17:46

The only issue with taxis is the occasional driver that doesn't know where he's going, or the mildly annoying suggestion that they take you to alternate clubs where they earn kick backs, etc...but, I expect them to upsell for kickbacks if they can get away with it, and/or provided I am dumb enough to give them the chance.

Agreed.

There's a flip side to this though. If you're unfamiliar with a city, or even if you're just looking to expand a bit, letting the taxi driver recommend some new places (even if he does get a kickback) can be a good way to discover talent and new options.

Super Gato

01-18-10, 21:46

With respect to reliable taxi drivers, again I have never, ever had any threat of danger or concern with hailing any of the taxis that are clearly marked as such and randomly selected off the street. The white taxis seem to be generally cleaner and a notch above the green ones, many of them having air conditioning in the summer time. But, probably 50% of the green ones are on par with the white ones with respect to condition of the taxi itself.

The only issue with taxis is the occasional driver that doesn't know where he's going, or the mildly annoying suggestion that they take you to alternate clubs where they earn kick backs, etc...but, I expect them to upsell for kickbacks if they can get away with it, and/or provided I am dumb enough to give them the chance.

If you mention going to El Infinito, and they start in with recommending other bars, just tell them that you don't want to go to Amnesia, Prestige, Obsession, Poisson, or anywhere else except the list I have revealed here. If they start in, I just tell them all of them are too expensive, and you have no money, "ellos estan demasiado cado, y no tengo dinero."

In finding El Infinito, I always tell them to take me to the intersection of Villagran and Carlos Salizar.. I don't tell them to take me to El Infinito, although 99% will know exactly where it is. But, by not mentioning a strip club by name, this eliminates their attempts to sway you into going to some other bar. Just tell them to drop you at the corner of Villagran and Carlos Salizar, and walk South on Villagran. They may have a suspicion about where you're headed, but they do not know for sure that you are not headed to a legitimate business in the area. And, while it seems kind of strange, most will not bring up the clubs unless you tell them that's were you're going, even though there is such a high concentration of them in the area. Most taxi drivers will not bring up that you might be going to a bar unless you mention them specifically...odd but true.

I concur. When I go to Monterrey and take taxis I've found if you say you're going to Infinito the driver may feign not knowing or say it is really dangerous, the club is closed, and the girls are dirty and ugly and suggest a clip joint. If they say they don't know where it is I'll tell them the cross street. 100% of the time they'll take me to Infinito. This is a taxi driver tactic in almost every city I've been in but if you're insistent and don't look like a sucker, they'll take you where you want to go.

When I stay at the Sheraton, I'll tend not to take the special hotel taxis that are in front, I'll walk down the block to the street near the Metro station and take a regular taxi. It is cheaper and in the hotel cab they tend to be worse about trying not to take me to Infinito. I guess they think since I'm stay at the Sheraton I'm rolling in cash or something (I use my points from traveling for work to stay there for free). Since they don't have a meter, they'll end up charging at least double what the regular taxis charge.

I will take these taxis when I'm not going to the bars, but unlike USB, they see me as a lone gringo and will always ask if I want to go to a table dance club. I've also hired one of them for a day to go do things like go to the caves and for a tour around the city (and a mission to find a power adaptor for a Mac). The hotel taxis are generally bigger, cleaner, more comfortable and have AC with is critical in the summertime.

Ssmc2

01-19-10, 19:49

Amigomio,

I noticed in your Yahoo Groups photos some girls from a site called Conejitas. Is this an escort service? I was also wondering if any of the escort "handlers" from these agencies speak english?

MonterreyDude

01-19-10, 20:54

I think yes.

Let me check it out.

Amigomio,

I noticed in your Yahoo Groups photos some girls from a site called Conejitas. Is this an escort service? I was also wondering if any of the escort "handlers" from these agencies speak english?

MonterreyDude

01-21-10, 09:22

Supposedly the Conejitas manager speaks English... well at least he said that.

I can not vouch fully for him, but let me try via some other contact with them.

Amigomio,

I noticed in your Yahoo Groups photos some girls from a site called Conejitas. Is this an escort service? I was also wondering if any of the escort "handlers" from these agencies speak english?

Ssmc2

01-21-10, 17:51

I really appreciate you checking into that for me. Btw, do most of these escort services have someone on the other end of the phone that speaks English when I call? Since my Spanish is pretty much non-existent I would think I am going to have problems if they don't.

MonterreyDude

01-22-10, 01:43

I've checked Conejitas.

The handler speaks English.

I really appreciate you checking into that for me. Btw, do most of these escort services have someone on the other end of the phone that speaks English when I call? Since my Spanish is pretty much non-existent I would think I am going to have problems if they don't.

Mextexman

02-09-10, 10:01

Amigo, what is going on. Have not seen your posts lately. Thinking about a trip to mty within the next month. Where are the gueritas hangin out?

MonterreyDude

02-10-10, 07:48

HEY!!!
Iam not a beast of burden, am a human being!!!!

No, gotta put my notes together so I won't miss some of the clubs like I did Reno.

Amigo, what is going on. Have not seen your posts lately. Thinking about a trip to mty within the next month. Where are the gueritas hangin out?

Willa1

03-02-10, 02:58

HEY!

Iam not a beast of burden, am a human being!!!!

No, gotta put my notes together so I won't miss some of the clubs like I did Reno.Hi Amigomio,

I hope you are doing OK. It has been 3 years since I was last in Monterrey. And about 4 years since you gave me a great tour! Do you still have your infamous map? I will be in Monterrey the week of Mar 22. Looking forward to a re-union!

Will

MonterreyDude

03-06-10, 18:10

Sorry for the delay.
Here's the link to my map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111503405859056842911.0004453c3d2b791e9f99a&ll=25.682762,-100.310926&spn=0.042388,0.068836&z=14&om=0

See you later this month... you won't believe how Infinito has changed since your last trip (Matehuala is now as close to zero as possible).
Also Harem and Casino have gone from big to bigger.

Hi Amigomio,

I hope you are doing OK. It has been 3 years since I was last in Monterrey. And about 4 years since you gave me a great tour! Do you still have your infamous map? I will be in Monterrey the week of Mar 22. Looking forward to a re-union!

Will

Marius 67

03-07-10, 02:00

Well I liked Monterrey so much that I moved to Rio Grande city from Dallas, Tx. But all is not well in the Mexican Boarder States Tamaulipas and Nuevo Lion. The Zetas and the Cartel del Gulfo are at War! I live about four miles from the international bridge; very close to a city named Camargo. It's been gun fire off and on the last two weeks. I kid you not. You could smell the gun smoke from my house. I'am not trying to scare anybody. But, The Mcallen Moniter Newspaper reported that Monterrey would be one of the main battle grounds for this war. The Mexican press has remained silent due to threats. And with only limited reports from the Mexican government from clashes with the cartels. It broke my heart that a city, I grew up in (Miguel Aleman) was attacked by the Cartel Del Guflo. (they managed to kill 6 police officers and several civilians). The sitituation is very tense right now on the border. I have never seen it this bad before. What is so Shocking to me is that when the Cartel Del Gulfo attcked Miguel Aleman, they literally came in the city with large signs on there trucks Claiming they were CDG (Cartel Del Gulfo!), Kinda reminded me of Hamas extremist groups. This has occured during the last two weeks.

Member #3453

03-07-10, 15:36

Yes, and Friday evening, there was a Dateline Report on Television regarding a Mexican Gentleman that was kidnapped from his ranch in San Maguel de Allende. Here is a summary of the program from the internet.

"The son of a Mexican newspaper tycoon “Eduardo Garcia Valseca” was driving his jeep, while his former model wife Jayne Rager sits on the passenger side. They lived on their ranch just outside the beautiful San Miguel de Allende. Eduardo Garcia Valseca parked their vehicle in the parking lot of the Waldorf School, which they founded. While Jayne, his wife, took the children inside the school. Eduardo Garcia Valseca waits in his jeep for her return. They were about to leave when an SUV stops in front of Eduardo Garcia Valseca jeep, men with handguns came out of the vehicle smashed the windows of the jeeps the couple was thrown into the SUV with a thick cotton sacks on ther heads, while Eduardo Garcia Valseca was handcuffed, his wife’s feet and wrists were duct taped. While Jayne was freed the next morning Eduardo Garcia Valseca spent over 7-1/2 months in captivity. Kidnappers asked for $8 million they paid a little less than $1 million in random."

Sr. Valseca was lucky to have been eventually released, not to mention his being lucky to be alive. He had been kept in a wooden box, no toilet, just a bucket, almost no food, etc...By the time he was released, he was so emaciated from near starvation, also having been shot twice, and tortured repeatedly, that he was barely recognizable from his former self. He literally looked like a skeleton. The Valseca family now lives in the USA because they can no longer be safe living in his native Mexico, which he loved dearly.

There is ONLY one solution to the problem in Mexico. Arm your good law abiding citizens. Allow them to protect their own lives. Because once armed, the excesses of government, and the excesses of the criminal element, will be very quickly brought under control by the "People."

There is a ray of hope. I heard from a taxi driver in Monterrey just the other day that there is apparently some kind of measure on the ballot in Mexico that will permit citizens to legally possess firearms. I don't know how true that is, but if true, it is literally their ONLY hope.

Well I liked Monterrey so much that I moved to Rio Grande city from Dallas, Tx. But all is not well in the Mexican Boarder States Tamaulipas and Nuevo Lion. The Zetas and the Cartel del Gulfo are at War! I live about four miles from the international bridge; very close to a city named Camargo. It's been gun fire off and on the last two weeks. I kid you not. You could smell the gun smoke from my house. I'am not trying to scare anybody. But, The Mcallen Moniter Newspaper reported that Monterrey would be one of the main battle grounds for this war. The Mexican press has remained silent due to threats. And with only limited reports from the Mexican government from clashes with the cartels. It broke my heart that a city, I grew up in (Miguel Aleman) was attacked by the Cartel Del Guflo. (they managed to kill 6 police officers and several civilians). The sitituation is very tense right now on the border. I have never seen it this bad before. What is so Shocking to me is that when the Cartel Del Gulfo attcked Miguel Aleman, they literally came in the city with large signs on there trucks Claiming they were CDG (Cartel Del Gulfo!), Kinda reminded me of Hamas extremist groups. This has occured during the last two weeks.

MonterreyDude

03-08-10, 02:18

Gun possesion in Mexico... nope, not true.

What? You think we are as crazy as your "right to bear arms"???

Not at all.

The Mexican Constitution has no "right to bear arms" at all.

Yes, and Friday evening, there was a Dateline Report on Television regarding a Mexican Gentleman that was kidnapped from his ranch in San Maguel de Allende. Here is a summary of the program from the internet.

"The son of a Mexican newspaper tycoon “Eduardo Garcia Valseca” was driving his jeep, while his former model wife Jayne Rager sits on the passenger side. They lived on their ranch just outside the beautiful San Miguel de Allende. Eduardo Garcia Valseca parked their vehicle in the parking lot of the Waldorf School, which they founded. While Jayne, his wife, took the children inside the school. Eduardo Garcia Valseca waits in his jeep for her return. They were about to leave when an SUV stops in front of Eduardo Garcia Valseca jeep, men with handguns came out of the vehicle smashed the windows of the jeeps the couple was thrown into the SUV with a thick cotton sacks on ther heads, while Eduardo Garcia Valseca was handcuffed, his wife’s feet and wrists were duct taped. While Jayne was freed the next morning Eduardo Garcia Valseca spent over 7-1/2 months in captivity. Kidnappers asked for $8 million they paid a little less than $1 million in random."

Sr. Valseca was lucky to have been eventually released, not to mention his being lucky to be alive. He had been kept in a wooden box, no toilet, just a bucket, almost no food, etc...By the time he was released, he was so emaciated from near starvation, also having been shot twice, and tortured repeatedly, that he was barely recognizable from his former self. He literally looked like a skeleton. The Valseca family now lives in the USA because they can no longer be safe living in his native Mexico, which he loved dearly.

There is ONLY one solution to the problem in Mexico. Arm your good law abiding citizens. Allow them to protect their own lives. Because once armed, the excesses of government, and the excesses of the criminal element, will be very quickly brought under control by the "People."

There is a ray of hope. I heard from a taxi driver in Monterrey just the other day that there is apparently some kind of measure on the ballot in Mexico that will permit citizens to legally possess firearms. I don't know how true that is, but if true, it is literally their ONLY hope.

Member #3453

03-08-10, 03:43

Well, here's the test...Where does Mr. Valseca, a Mexican Citizen of prominent standing feel the safest? Is it in the land of the proverbial "guns nuts," ie: the USA, or in the land of "slow moving and incompetent Justice, where the average Mexican Citizen is victimized directly by a criminal element more powerful than the Mexican Government itself, which, as we both know, is more often than not, frequently one in the same.

And, remember, if we have an occasional nut case slip through the cracks, so be it, I'll take my chances. Because, I can shoot back, not only at the nut cases, but at the criminals, versus your virtual helplessness against the huge armies of violent criminals you have in your society, all of them armed, all of them ruthlessly pursuing a virtually helpless society of lambs to the slaughter.

Gun possesion in Mexico... nope, not true.

What? You think we are as crazy as you "right to bear arms" American nuts???

Not at all.

Of course, being well informed tof the controversy of the 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms..."

The Mexican Constitution has no "right to bear arms" at all.

Well neither does the US Constitution beyond "a well regulated Militia", but be my guest.

Actually what I mean, after a few educated chats with USB is that well, it is your "right" to "bear arms" (supposedly) but what is not correct is that EVERYONE should have that right, including nut cases and criminals, which every day is more notorious in the US.
More people that shouldn't be bearing arms are bearing arms.

Trainman

03-12-10, 17:50

I shall be in Monterrey in June or July for 6 or 7 days on business, does anyone know of a guide that can help me to get what I want, without any fuss or messing about.

Also, which Hotels would be best to stay in and are girl friendly.

Any help would be appreciated, due to lack of ground time, and if anyone can help, this means more fun, less of a wild goose chase.

I shall then be going onto Monclova. anyone have any ideas where I should stay, and also where the action is.

Any help appreciated

Trainman

MonterreyDude

03-14-10, 00:26

This is your guide Trainman.
The ISG.

Better than paying a guy that will charge you a lot and only take you to expensive places where he'll get kickbacks.

Ask your questions Trainman.

For starters there is only one girl friendly hotel left in Monterrey and that is the Sheraton Ambassador.

I shall be in Monterrey in June or July for 6 or 7 days on business, does anyone know of a guide that can help me to get what I want, without any fuss or messing about.

Also, which Hotels would be best to stay in and are girl friendly.

Any help would be appreciated, due to lack of ground time, and if anyone can help, this means more fun, less of a wild goose chase.

I shall then be going onto Monclova. anyone have any ideas where I should stay, and also where the action is.

Any help appreciated

Trainman

Trainman

03-18-10, 09:25

Where should I go to pick up the girls to take back to my hotel.

Will the girls stay all night, and what prices do you have to pay per hour is USD

Will the girls do owo and facial finish

Is it possible to get 2 girls for all nighter back at Hotel, and is it easy to find 2 girls to perform full lesbian

What is the likelyhood of them allowing filming

Please any advise before I go would be a great help.

Many thanks

Trainman

Member #3453

03-18-10, 21:26

"Where should I go to pick up the girls to take back to my hotel."

The girls at the low end bars will typically cost you less per hour than were you to go to the medium level bars:

Low End Bars = El Infinito, Tangalay, El Cielo, Tango, Beibi's
Medium Level Bars = Casino, Harem, Azul Tequilla, Pasarelas, Woman's

"Will the girls stay all night, and what prices do you have to pay per hour is USD?"

Girls will not typically stay all night...they will stay 1.5 hours maximum per $100.00US to $200.00US spent (approximately) + $35.00US to $80.00US per 1.5 hours for the bar fine. If you want more than "conventional" covered sex, be prepared to spend for add-ons. Because you are not a regular, and because you will be unknown to them, strictly a business proposition in their eyes. The girls are usually quite mercenary, very independent, and often a disappointment with respect to being Porn Star Quality, regardless of how HOT they may look, and/or how alluring they may initially act in the bar.

They will look for every opportunity to exploit you because of the circumstances that you present to them with your "list" of requirements. They will not look upon you as an "Amigovio," a distinction that many regulars enjoy, and a distinction in approach that often results in strong GFE characteristics being exhibited by them toward their known regulars. You will be strictly an opportunity for them to make money, with very little incentive for them to perform to your expectations.

Mexican girls are NOT benevolent when it comes to making money, so expect them to be more inclined to scam you by promising the moon, then holding out on delivering to your expectation, versus delivering the kind of Porn Star "performance" you're looking for.

On the other hand, Mexican girls can be very generous with their legitimate affections, even when you're paying them, but only if you take the time to get close to them, and demonstrate to them that you are more than just out to exploit them as sex objects only.

"Will the girls do/allow a facial finish?"

Cash is KING. Explain to them what you want, in advance, and be prepared to PAY BIG for them to do it. Many will require you to add an additional $25-$50US for extras.

"Is it possible to get 2 girls for all nighter back at Hotel, and is it easy to find 2 girls to perform full lesbian?"

It is possible, but you are likely to have to pay for the privilege, probably to tune of $25 to $50 US more per act. But, your larger issue is going to be finding a hotel they will even allow one of them in, much less two of them.

Simply put, there is only one hotel in Monterrey that will allow a guest into the hotel with a working girl, much less two or more at the same time. That hotel is the Sheraton Ambassador Hotel. Were you to attempt to bring two of them in at once to any hotel in Monterrey, that will likely be seen, even at the Sheraton, even as a regular guest, with considerable objection without some significant bribery taking place with key gate keepers at the hotels.

I am referring here to hotels that are legitimate hotels. There are, of course, many "no tell" hotels, and they will be no big problem with whatever you have in mind. Those will typically cost you about $10US to $20US per hour, but they are the pits to stay at. My suggestion would be to have your hotel for comfort, and to arrange some time at a "no-tell" hotel for your activities with the girls.

"What is the likelihood of them allowing filming?"

They will allow photos and filming. But, be prepared to PAY BIG for the privilege. Most of the girls in the business are in it for the short term, just to make some extra money. And, many of them would be significantly appalled at the prospect of anyone ever finding out that they worked in a bar, much less that they prostituted themselves on salida, and/or that they were the actresses in a porno.

So, they are very protective of their night time activities, and they draw a very hard line emotional and psychological distinction between what they do for extra money, and their normal everyday lives. That having been said, many of them will flinch at being filmed, and some will not even permit photos either. It just depends on the girls. Were I to estimate it, I would say that 30-40% will permit photos, and 20-30% will probably allow filming, mostly because you are not a regular. That percentage widens when they know you and when you have the significant advantage of familiarity.

The bottom line advise is to make them understand everything that's expected up front before you ever agree to take them out of the bar. Then, expect most of them to deliver about 50 percent of what they promise. My advice would be to tie their performance to specific amounts in tips that will be paid at the end of the session, and make them vividly understand that the only way they will receive those specific amounts in tips is to perform to your total and complete satisfaction. Because, without dangling the carrot of additional BIG MONEY, if your experience is even mildly satisfactory with most Mexican girls, you're significantly beating the averages.

Albert Punter

03-22-10, 02:50

...
For starters there is only one girl friendly hotel left in Monterrey and that is the Sheraton Ambassador.
Holiday Inn Centro is too

Bbond

03-22-10, 08:46

They will look for every opportunity to exploit you because of the circumstances that you present to them with your "list" of requirements. They will not look upon you as an "Amigovio," a distinction that many regulars enjoy, and a distinction in approach that often results in strong GFE characteristics being exhibited by them toward their known regulars. You will be strictly an opportunity for them to make money, with very little incentive for them to perform to your expectations.

Just read this again, and holy shit it hit hard, this is the truth that many think they are above. Believe it, because that's just how it is.

Member #3453

03-22-10, 15:08

The Porn Star Experience is attainable, but it is such an unbelievable rarity in Mexico that disappointment can probably be anticipated in at least 90% of the encounters in Mexico without significant work being invested in advance.

To have the expectation that one can blow into town, in Mexico, and expect to receive a Porn Star Experience, is almost delusional within the context of discussing the temperament of Mexican Girls.

I have all but abandoned wasting my money on Mexican girls that I can not turn into "Amigovias." If I try to take the easy way out, even trying to throw money at them as a motivator, I have learned that the typical result will be a futile and disappointing strategy in the vast majority of cases. Why?

Because the girls that are the best candidates for a Porn Star Experience can be "reached" apart from expenditures of large sums of money, and those that can not be reached possess a temperament that should automatically exclude them from one's eligible pool of selection.

Girls that are "reachable" are few and far between, so spending too much money on the rest, even to ascertain their eligibility, can be a tricky venture in Mexico. This is what distinguishes Mexico from other notorious venues like Asia, where the Porn Star Experience can be attainable without so much as 10 seconds worth of preparation.

Personally, I think it's a cultural thing, that Mexican girls are raised with kind of an independent chip on their shoulders, and that Mexican girls are not as "needy" with respect to their literal daily existence as girls in other parts of the World where literal poverty is a motivator to their cooperative behavior. In that respect I suppose money is a factor. But, the amounts spent for girls in Asia has no comparison to what it would be required to get the same result here in Mexico.

I don't mean my comments as a criticism of Mexican girls. Mexican girls appeal to me more than the Asian girls. The right Mexican girls seem to be able to maintain sort of a dignity that makes the ones that do engage in GFE seem like real girlfriends, which can ultimately produce the Porn Star Experience if we work on them in advance.

Just read this again, and holy shit it hit hard, this is the truth that many think they are above. Believe it, because that's just how it is.

MonterreyDude

03-22-10, 18:52

Albert, Girl Friendly hotels are the ones where you have NO problem at all to get girls in, not that the ones where you have to manage a way of how to aproach a securty guard and be able to bribe him.

Since you posted last time that you would not reveal openly how you got girls into the HIC, I must guess that means that you have to bribe security to get the girl in.
That, Albert, is not a GF hotel.

Holiday Inn Centro is too

Bbond

03-22-10, 18:58

The Porn Star Experience is attainable, but it is such an unbelievable rarity in Mexico that disappointment can probably be anticipated in at least 90% of the encounters in Mexico without significant work being invested in advance.

Yes, it is attainable, and I have found that the best candidates, here in NL anyway, are not the best lookers hence don't get as many offers or opportunities to make money. The best looking PSE girl I have here I found in a bar when she was relatively new, and I had a reputation in the bar, know all wait staff etc, so she was comfortable with me from the start. The PSE did not come on the 1st night, took about 3 trips to room before she cut loose, and now I think she has as good of a time as I do.

MonterreyDude

03-22-10, 19:31

Trainman, what you are asking for IS expensive like hell in Monterrey.

You need to scale down a little, cause you are talking anything in the vecinity of 500 dlls up and even then, you might not get what you want.

Trainman, let's start from square one: What is your planned budget for a night like the one you have in mind.

By the way, totally forget about filming.
Girls are not dumb, they know they might end in the WWW.

Where should I go to pick up the girls to take back to my hotel.

Will the girls stay all night, and what prices do you have to pay per hour is USD

Will the girls do owo and facial finish

Is it possible to get 2 girls for all nighter back at Hotel, and is it easy to find 2 girls to perform full lesbian

What is the likelyhood of them allowing filming

Please any advise before I go would be a great help.

Many thanks

Trainman

MonterreyDude

03-22-10, 19:49

1. Bbond, of course the girls think they are above us.
Don't tell me this is the first time you've noticed?
But the word "think" is precisely where one must concentrate when dealing with them.

Thing is you must let it be known to them that you are the one that has the money in hand, ergo, you ARE above them and they are nothing more than ho's.
New generation of girls should know their place in the Mexican caste system if they are in the ho business.
In the mean time, I fairly pretend that I favor girls at some clubs, but I also let them know that I have other girls at other clubs that are willing to acomodate me.

A fair problem is the quantity of girls from where to choose from and our age.
Bbond, you are fairly limited in your hunting grounds of NL but I know you have your own batch of "favoritas", extremly good girls that favor you.

Age is #1 obstacle and damn if the new generation of girls favor the young and single clients over the older and more consistent customers.

Point in case: I never let them place themselves over me and USB has seen me openly shun girls that think they can be better than me.

2. Unspongebob, shame on you saying that PSE is almost nil in Monterrey.
In all your trips to Mexico you have constantly avoided all the girls that offer precisely that, PSE, cause you in your own way you have been looking for other kind of girls.
Hell!!! there are girls that are so PPSE (porn square), that I avoid them!!!
How many times have I pointed out girls to you that are wildcats and you just go "no, too tall, too thin, not a flaca morena, too thick, too much fair skinned, naw... don't like her".
Like you liked my former GF from Harem... funny cause she used to be a nice quiet kitten, no PSE with her, but opposite to my actual GF from Casino which is not of your tastes cause she's older and has big knockers (naturals) and happens to be a sex degenerate.

But let it be known that USB might not be fairly familiar to the PSE of Monterrey, which is totally OK with him cause he's looking for a different kind of girl.
And that is his prerrogative.

PS: What USB refers to as "amigovias" should be "amigomias" a possesive tense of my handle as in "my girlfriends".

Just read this again, and holy shit it hit hard, this is the truth that many think they are above. Believe it, because that's just how it is.

Super Gato

03-23-10, 00:59

The Porn Star Experience is attainable, but it is such an unbelievable rarity in Mexico that disappointment can probably be anticipated in at least 90% of the encounters in Mexico without significant work being invested in advance.

Yes, it is attainable, and I have found that the best candidates, here in NL anyway, are not the best lookers hence don't get as many offers or opportunities to make money. The best looking PSE girl I have here I found in a bar when she was relatively new, and I had a reputation in the bar, know all wait staff etc, so she was comfortable with me from the start. The PSE did not come on the 1st night, took about 3 trips to room before she cut loose, and now I think she has as good of a time as I do.

What does PSE mean to you? I'm a happy camper on my trips across the border to the clubs because I get PSE all the damn time. Is it Trainman's list? For me it isn't. For me it all about banging a smoking hot babe where she's there to get me off. She's into positions that accentuate her body and allows you to see what is going on. So of course, the lights are on. In the rooms with porno on the TV, she suggests we try the maneuvers they're doing on TV. No love. No hugs and kisses and GFE stuff. She bangs the hell out of me and I leave the room with a big smile on my face. I'll repeat with the repeatable ones or seek out new ones. I'm rarely disappointed because that's what I go in looking for. A smokin' hottie won't give GFE. So you bang the hell out of her porno style.

My point is, like GFE, it seems there's a giant difference in how people define these things.

Bbond

03-23-10, 06:01

What does PSE mean to you?

For me, PSE is just that. Exactly as you see in a porn flick. Turn her anyway you want, no complaint, stand her, sit her, screw in the shower. I am not in love with her, I am paying for sex, so give it to me anyway I want. Very few will do, what I consider, TRUE PSE, come in mouth, come on face, etc. But some will, and quite willingly.

Bbond

03-23-10, 06:14

1. Bbond, of course the girls think they are above us.
Don't tell me this is the first time you've noticed?
But the word "think" is precisely where one must concentrate when dealing with them.

Amigomio, I have quite a reputation with the girls here in NL, some believe me to be a total asshole. Why? Before I bring a girl home I get some assurance from her considering what she is comfortable with, we get back to my place and she hesitates, she is fired, on the spot, NO COMPENSATION.
I brought a girl home one night, she promised the world, when we got her she wanted me to pay her first, then opted for me just to put money where she could see it, no foreplay, -0-, no BBBJ that she agreed to. She tried to put a condom, after agreeing to BBFS, on a 1/2 hard dick, then tried to shove a 1/2 hard dick in her. She was fired, NO COMPENSATION, get dressed get the fuck out, fired. She stood looking at me asking for her payment, I told her go and go now, if you won't deliver as we agreed, then get the fuck out and don't bother trying to negotiate a return.

A kicker, tho, I went back and found her sister, who told me she was not like that and I would have a good time, and boy did I.

Super Gato

03-23-10, 10:00

For me, PSE is just that. Exactly as you see in a porn flick. Turn her anyway you want, no complaint, stand her, sit her, screw in the shower. I am not in love with her, I am paying for sex, so give it to me anyway I want. Very few will do, what I consider, TRUE PSE, come in mouth, come on face, etc. But some will, and quite willingly.

We're on the same page. The true PSE chica will also get into fun hot positions for you. Stuff that is uncomfortable for her, but she knows her clientes like it. The leave the stripper shoes on and put one leg on her dressing table and bends over in front of a mirror is great. Except sometimes with those shoes the chaparitas are too tall for me unless I get on my toes. Without the shoes, she's too short.

Although a staple of porno, I'm not too down with come on face. I also could care less about anal. I know that makes me weird. CIM happens on occasion, but if she's really doing PSE I've shot my wad into the condom or on her ass or chest so the point is moot.

But more than anything to me is her attitude of "I'm going to bang the crap out of this guy" makes all the difference in the world.

Albert Punter

03-23-10, 12:53

I never, repeat never, bribed security. Just used a "discrete" way in.

Anyhow, some girls informed me they have entered this hotel easily from front door.

Albert, Girl Friendly hotels are the ones where you have NO problem at all to get girls in, not that the ones where you have to manage a way of how to aproach a securty guard and be able to bribe him.

Since you posted last time that you would not reveal openly how you got girls into the HIC, I must guess that means that you have to bribe security to get the girl in.
That, Albert, is not a GF hotel.

Albert Punter

03-23-10, 12:59

May I suggest you try Azul ?
Probably she is what you look for: available to everything you may imagine and not outrageously expensive.

Member #3453

03-23-10, 18:30

Granted, the PSE and GFE are concepts that are truly subjective to each monger.

I find that if a girl, through her personality, and her approach to me, is able to convince me that she has a legitimate interest in seeing me, apart from just the money, then GFE, and certainly PSE, is just an almost natural outcome. And, I draw everyone's attention to this as well...Notice that I said that they are able to "convince" me of their sincerity, not that they truly possess it.

There are girls out there that exhibit those characteristics, and meet my kind of criteria. But, most of the girls that we draw upon have very hardened hearts, and they are not open to what I look for. So, the field narrows considerably because the pool of selection is full of really cold, really hardened contenders.

Then, when you heap on my superficial criteria that Amigomio accused me of, criteria I am also quite guilty of, then it just narrows the pool even further, making my actually finding them a relatively big job.

But, they're out there. Hence my criticism that, for me, there are very few that I would categorize as GFE. With respect to my trying to find PSE, I would say that I drop the "carino" criteria, and rely mostly on whether they "initiate."

Many Mexican Girls are very lazy. Many of them do not want to work for what you've agreed to pay them. Many are content to let you do all the work, simply contemplating the thought of where they're going to spend the money.

There are so many Mexican Girls that are totally clueless about what will make their sessions better, and an even greater number that could not care less about even wanting to make their sessions better. There are even more of them that are not even smart enough to recognize that you may be a very lucrative gravy train were they to invest some effort in the experience. They do not respect us as clients, and as literal cash cows. To their own detriment they lack the intelligence to recognize what they should be doing for their own good.

I believe this is due to the Mexican Girl culture, that it has them entering into agreements with almost a larcenous attitude. So, very often, more often than not, the result is girls that are simply going through the motions. Once the scam is complete to get you to agree to go on salida, any prospect for actual delivery of expectations is totally disregarded.

I would rather be sitting in my room alone when I mistakenly bring one of them back to my room, one that has turned on the charm in the bar, is clearly capable of the PSE, if not the GFE, only to abandon all sense of responsibility and obligation to deliver upon anticipations they created, only to reveal their true nature, almost like they have split personalities once you get them back to the hotel. There are a ton of them out there like this. Hence, my reason for having a prejudicial and critical assessment that so many Mexican Girls are a disappointment. Because, so many truly are...at least within the club scene.

I do think there may also be a huge distinction between the Escorts many of you see, versus the club girls I endeavor to find, and this may account for some of my prejudice. The escorts rely on their ability to "sell." Maybe they deliver the PSE more consistently because that's their business. Whereas, the club girls are engaged in a public persona designed to sell drinks and privados in the near term, which requires a certain amount of "personality" to achieve success. But, maybe if they're not selling drinks or privados, they just stupidly turn off the charm once they sink the hook. It's like once some of them "leave the stage," the public persona they use to sell drinks and privados, they abandon any awareness, or sense of self serving urgency, that the selling never really stops. Whereas, the Escorts know that the selling never really stops.

What does PSE mean to you? I'm a happy camper on my trips across the border to the clubs because I get PSE all the damn time. Is it Trainman's list? For me it isn't. For me it all about banging a smoking hot babe where she's there to get me off. She's into positions that accentuate her body and allows you to see what is going on. So of course, the lights are on. In the rooms with porno on the TV, she suggests we try the maneuvers they're doing on TV. No love. No hugs and kisses and GFE stuff. She bangs the hell out of me and I leave the room with a big smile on my face. I'll repeat with the repeatable ones or seek out new ones. I'm rarely disappointed because that's what I go in looking for. A smokin' hottie won't give GFE. So you bang the hell out of her porno style.

My point is, like GFE, it seems there's a giant difference in how people define these things.

MonterreyDude

03-23-10, 21:56

Albert, come on: What do you think the services that places girls in your room do?

Bribe security.

Your tally includes the bribe.

I never, repeat never, bribed security. Just used a "discrete" way in.

Anyhow, some girls informed me they have entered this hotel easily from front door.

MonterreyDude

03-23-10, 22:00

I was going to recomend Azul too, but the gentleman is asking a lot.
Lesbian, all nighter with 2 of lucesazules' girls might carry a hefty tab.

That's why I asked Trainman for his budget for starters.

By the way Albert, a rumor says half of lucesazules girls have gone rouge.
Seems they went to another agency.
When I get the link I'll post it here, see if they are the ones you know or just the agency getting rid of the excess fat.

May I suggest you try Azul ?
Probably she is what you look for: available to everything you may imagine and not outrageously expensive.

MonterreyDude

03-23-10, 22:09

Bbond... "some believe me to be a total asshole"

Good for you.
Exactly the same thing I do when confronted with the same situation.

My "Don't tell me this is the first time you've noticed?" comment was written only in irony.
Of course I know you are fully qualified for stomping ho territories.

Amigomio, I have quite a reputation with the girls here in NL, some believe me to be a total asshole. Why? Before I bring a girl home I get some assurance from her considering what she is comfortable with, we get back to my place and she hesitates, she is fired, on the spot, NO COMPENSATION.
I brought a girl home one night, she promised the world, when we got her she wanted me to pay her first, then opted for me just to put money where she could see it, no foreplay, -0-, no BBBJ that she agreed to. She tried to put a condom, after agreeing to BBFS, on a 1/2 hard dick, then tried to shove a 1/2 hard dick in her. She was fired, NO COMPENSATION, get dressed get the fuck out, fired. She stood looking at me asking for her payment, I told her go and go now, if you won't deliver as we agreed, then get the fuck out and don't bother trying to negotiate a return.

A kicker, tho, I went back and found her sister, who told me she was not like that and I would have a good time, and boy did I.

MonterreyDude

03-23-10, 22:14

My friend USB is going to kill me after this:

"Many Mexican Girls are very lazy. Many of them do not want to work for what you've agreed to pay them. Many are content to let you do all the work, simply contemplating the thought of where they're going to spend the money."

Specially since after commenting on his post, am meeting him for lunch.

Mexican girls are lazy, cause USB is not the kind of man that commands the presence of a demanding customer.
The girls know the moment USB lays foot on a club, what he wants, instead of being an enigma, he is marked as a "no customer".

They know he is looking for certain types of girls and USB will find them.
But the mayority do not like what USB wants.

That's why they act lazy, not willing to do their job, etc.

And reflecting on what BBond mantioned in his post, the best move to this kind of attitude is, like what he and me do when dealing with girls, just get rid of the girl and show them we know our stuff, not show the weaknesses that they can use against us.

Granted, the PSE and GFE are concepts that are truly subjective to each monger.

I find that if a girl, through her personality, and her approach to me, is able to convince me that she has a legitimate interest in seeing me, apart from just the money, then GFE, and certainly PSE, is just an almost natural outcome. And, I draw everyone's attention to this as well...Notice that I said that they are able to "convince" me of their sincerity, not that they truly possess it.

There are girls out there that exhibit those characteristics, and meet my kind of criteria. But, most of the girls that we draw upon have very hardened hearts, and they are not open to what I look for. So, the field narrows considerably because the pool of selection is full of really cold, really hardened contenders.

Then, when you heap on my superficial criteria that Amigomio accused me of, criteria I am also quite guilty of, then it just narrows the pool even further, making my actually finding them a relatively big job.

But, they're out there. Hence my criticism that, for me, there are very few that I would categorize as GFE. With respect to my trying to find PSE, I would say that I drop the "carino" criteria, and rely mostly on whether they "initiate."

Many Mexican Girls are very lazy. Many of them do not want to work for what you've agreed to pay them. Many are content to let you do all the work, simply contemplating the thought of where they're going to spend the money.

There are so many Mexican Girls that are totally clueless about what will make their sessions better, and an even greater number that could not care less about even wanting to make their sessions better. There are even more of them that are not even smart enough to recognize that you may be a very lucrative gravy train were they to invest some effort in the experience. They do not respect us as clients, and as literal cash cows. To their own detriment they lack the intelligence to recognize what they should be doing for their own good.

I believe this is due to the Mexican Girl culture, that it has them entering into agreements with almost a larcenous attitude. So, very often, more often than not, the result is girls that are simply going through the motions. Once the scam is complete to get you to agree to go on salida, any prospect for actual delivery of expectations is totally disregarded.

I would rather be sitting in my room alone when I mistakenly bring one of them back to my room, one that has turned on the charm in the bar, is clearly capable of the PSE, if not the GFE, only to abandon all sense of responsibility and obligation to deliver upon anticipations they created, only to reveal their true nature, almost like they have split personalities once you get them back to the hotel. There are a ton of them out there like this. Hence, my reason for having a prejudicial and critical assessment that so many Mexican Girls are a disappointment. Because, so many truly are...at least within the club scene.

I do think there may also be a huge distinction between the Escorts many of you see, versus the club girls I endeavor to find, and this may account for some of my prejudice. The escorts rely on their ability to "sell." Maybe they deliver the PSE more consistently because that's their business. Whereas, the club girls are engaged in a public persona designed to sell drinks and privados in the near term, which requires a certain amount of "personality" to achieve success. But, maybe if they're not selling drinks or privados, they just stupidly turn off the charm once they sink the hook. It's like once some of them "leave the stage," the public persona they use to sell drinks and privados, they abandon any awareness, or sense of self serving urgency, that the selling never really stops. Whereas, the Escorts know that the selling never really stops.

Albert Punter

03-24-10, 02:46

Well I cannot comment about relationship between services and security.
I can only tell you that I never personally bribed anyone.

Albert, come on: What do you think the services that places girls in your room do?

Bribe security.

Your tally includes the bribe.

Albert Punter

03-24-10, 02:48

I have noticed some fresh meat in their website, which is not bad at all as there is now more choice for my taste.

...
By the way Albert, a rumor says half of lucesazules girls have gone rouge.
Seems they went to another agency.
When I get the link I'll post it here, see if they are the ones you know or just the agency getting rid of the excess fat.

MonterreyDude

03-24-10, 03:38

Albert, Misses has uploaded real pictures of their girls.

www.misses.com.mx

And right now, at least for a brief perioed of time, I can vouch that they have some nice ladies working there.

I have noticed some fresh meat in their website,
which is not bad at all as there is now more choice for my taste.

Member #3453

03-24-10, 09:46

While you are getting rid of your disappointments, I am ten miles ahead of you, not even patronizing most of them to begin with. That's why they see me as a "NO CUSTOMER." Because, that's exactly what I am. The best move is not to waste your time and money to begin with if you perceive them as scam artists.

Besides, I'm talking about lazy girls inside the club environment that misrepresent themselves to you, promising the moon, and delivering San Nicolas. I'm talking about lazy girls on salida. That's where the rubber meets the road. And, lets face it, most of the bar girls we know are scam artists. We can both count on one hand how many of the bars girls we know are worth anything. You know full well that the majority are a waste of time.

Lets take an example, of all the bar girls at El Prestige that are working, how many does Amigomio believe are worth spending time and money on? I'll tell you...probably about 4 out of 40. Not terribly impressive odds, verdad?

I say that the process takes a lot more work and experience if you expect to get even close to PSE out of the majority of bar girls we know. So, for someone to come down to Monterrey with little or no experience, little or no time on the ground here, etc...and have them expecting to find that they will routinely achieve PSE from the pool of bar girls we know...I still say FAT CHANCE!

Mexican girls are lazy, cause USB is not the kind of man that commands the presence of a demanding customer. The girls know the moment USB lays foot on a club, what he wants, instead of being an enigma, he is marked as a "no customer". They know he is looking for certain types of girls and USB will find them. But the mayority do not like what USB wants. That's why they act lazy, not willing to do their job, etc. And reflecting on what BBond mantioned in his post, the best move to this kind of attitude is, like what he and me do when dealing with girls, just get rid of the girl and show them we know our stuff, not show the weaknesses that they can use against us.

Trainman

03-24-10, 10:32

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the heated discussions.

If you could just let me know, which places to go to to find the girls, in your opinions, which is the best place for the hottest looking totty, and which hotel to book into.

If any of you have experience of any escort agencies or if the doormen of the hotel if bribed a few dollars will get me what I want, and which hotel.

Cheers, keep up the good works.

Trainman

MonterreyDude

03-24-10, 19:02

Actually at Prestige, right now, only 1.

Thing is that the afternoon girls are more the domestic/home kind of nice/decent girls than the night shift girls.

The night shift girls are pro's, the afternoon girls are only there for a quick buck, make some money for school and get out of the business if possible.
Many of them, when they finish their shift, prefer their boyfriends, their parents, their pets, over extra money.

And let me remind mongers reading this that USB has a very narrow margin in mind when selecting girls. (something that is changing, hopefuly) cause he speaks of being able to count all the girls worth it on one hand.

Me, right now I have 2 regular GFs that don't work at the clubs, they are escorts (USB has met them). 2 regular club girls (one at Harem and one at Casino) and 5 backups (the Prestige girl, 2 at Harem and 2 at Infinito).
That makes it 9.

Asides from that, there are my regular quickies, my alternates, any extra that lands on my lap.
Of all of those, USB has only paid attention to one, the Prestige girl.

For him, the rest are too old, too tall, too thick, not a flaca-morena... things we talked about here a couple of days ago.
I mean, it is USB's style and I respect it, but I have been begging for him to widen his horizons.
He has been losing so many opportunites neglecting some of the girls that want USB's friendship.
Again, hopefuly I will be able to change his mind one of these days.

PS: I used to have more girls, but am slowing down a little. I can't go to as many clubs as before... not enough time.

While you are getting rid of your disappointments, I am ten miles ahead of you, not even patronizing most of them to begin with. That's why they see me as a "NO CUSTOMER." Because, that's exactly what I am. The best move is not to waste your time and money to begin with if you perceive them as scam artists.

Besides, I'm talking about lazy girls inside the club environment that misrepresent themselves to you, promising the moon, and delivering San Nicolas. I'm talking about lazy girls on salida. That's where the rubber meets the road. And, lets face it, most of the bar girls we know are scam artists. We can both count on one hand how many of the bars girls we know are worth anything. You know full well that the majority are a waste of time.

Lets take an example, of all the bar girls at El Prestige that are working, how many does Amigomio believe are worth spending time and money on? I'll tell you...probably about 4 out of 40. Not terribly impressive odds, verdad?

I say that the process takes a lot more work and experience if you expect to get even close to PSE out of the majority of bar girls we know. So, for someone to come down to Monterrey with little or no experience, little or no time on the ground here, etc...and have them expecting to find that they will routinely achieve PSE from the pool of bar girls we know...I still say FAT CHANCE!

Marius 67

03-25-10, 00:37

I often liked going to the Massage Parlors in Waco, Tx. But since I moved here to South Texas I can't' find any decent massage parlors that offer a decent HJ at the end of the session or anything else?. I know we do not go for massages in Monterrey, But can any body point me in the right direction to get a legit massage with with optional HJ towards the end of the session.

Thanks

Member #3453

03-25-10, 05:03

Amigomio and me are like brothers...so, there is never really a seriously heated discussion, just passionate, but totally friendly disagreements, mostly discussions concerning his liberal ideology versus my conservative politics. But, for some reason, only where the USA is concerned. We have not yet applied our respective political viewpoints as they concern his own country, which I find kind of curious when you consider Mexico's HUGE range of Social, Criminal, and Corruption Oriented Political problems, he always wanting to critique the United States with very little analysis in comparison to Mexico's range of political antics.

My friend, I just counted up the number of girls I am currently seeing. I have no less than (7) "girlfriends," and one "Real Mexican Girlfriend." Amigomio doesn't really know the full range of my activities. He only observes my lack of interest in girls at El Prestige, Obsession, Casino, Harem, etc...and he has very little appreciation for what I am really up to most of the time. You see, his bars are not my bars...that's a huge distinction. Simply put, he has no knowledge of my endeavors outside his main bars.

And, regarding Prestige and Obsession, I go there strictly for the buffet, and some titillating conversation, just playful fun, nothing more, mostly for the very reasons that Amigomio stated concerning the types of girls working the afternoon shifts. So, why waste your time spending too much on them, or making any significant effort with them.

So, the accusations that I am not playing the field as much as I should be, when you also consider that I am not Mexican, Spanish being my second language, that I split my time between my home in the USA and my home in Monterrey...well, I don't think I am doing too badly overall.

And, when you consider the constraints of my admittedly narrow criteria for acceptance into the USB circle of amigas, I am not progressing too badly in comparison to Amigomio based on his confessions here as to his numbers of girlfriends. I don't have Amigomio's advantages either, being constantly available to work the girls 24 hours a day.

So, you see Amigomio, I am not at all squandering my opportunities...Far from it. I'm actually having some difficulty juggling them all, especially with a real GF in the mix. But, the real analysis is this...of the girls I have found to be acceptable, I've probably thoroughly interviewed ten times that number, and disqualified as many as 200 girls as being a useless endeavor. That's my point about Mexican Bar Girls. There are a ton of real clunkers, and it requires work to find the good ones.

Actually at Prestige, right now, only 1.

Thing is that the afternoon girls are more the domestic/home kind of nice/decent girls than the night shift girls.

The night shift girls are pro's, the afternoon girls are only there for a quick buck, make some money for school and get out of the business if possible.
Many of them, when they finish their shift, prefer their boyfriends, their parents, their pets, over extra money.

And let me remind mongers reading this that USB has a very narrow margin in mind when selecting girls. (something that is changing, hopefuly) cause he speaks of being able to count all the girls worth it on one hand.

Me, right now I have 2 regular GFs that don't work at the clubs, they are escorts (USB has met them). 2 regular club girls (one at Harem and one at Casino) and 5 backups (the Prestige girl, 2 at Harem and 2 at Infinito).
That makes it 9.

Asides from that, there are my regular quickies, my alternates, any extra that lands on my lap.
Of all of those, USB has only paid attention to one, the Prestige girl.

For him, the rest are too old, too tall, too thick, not a flaca-morena... things we talked about here a couple of days ago.
I mean, it is USB's style and I respect it, but I have been begging for him to widen his horizons.
He has been losing so many opportunites neglecting some of the girls that want USB's friendship.
Again, hopefuly I will be able to change his mind one of these days.

PS: I used to have more girls, but am slowing down a little. I can't go to as many clubs as before... not enough time.

MonterreyDude

03-25-10, 07:25

Give me 24 hours.
Let me check it out with my yahoo group members here in Monterrey.

I often liked going to the Massage Parlors in Waco, Tx. But since I moved here to South Texas I can't' find any decent massage parlors that offer a decent HJ at the end of the session or anything else?. I know we do not go for massages in Monterrey, But can any body point me in the right direction to get a legit massage with with optional HJ towards the end of the session.

Thanks

MonterreyDude

03-25-10, 19:53

It's almost 1 pm local Monterrey time and my friends at my Yahoo group are asking me: "why just a handjob???"

LOL...

Give me 24 hours.
Let me check it out with my yahoo group members here in Monterrey.

MonterreyDude

03-25-10, 20:50

Am doing a copy/paste here from one of my members:

DEFINITIVAMENTE VALERIA SPA masaje E X E L E N T E, final feliz y no hay extras.
yo en lo personal he hido una vez y me gusto mucho
VALERIA masajista profesional, damas y caballeros
1648-0205
cel. 811389-6546
SALUDOS

Valeria a masseuse that offers massage and happy ending, no other extras.
Seems she has her own spa.

I often liked going to the Massage Parlors in Waco, Tx. But since I moved here to South Texas I can't' find any decent massage parlors that offer a decent HJ at the end of the session or anything else?. I know we do not go for massages in Monterrey, But can any body point me in the right direction to get a legit massage with with optional HJ towards the end of the session.

Thanks

Marius 67

03-26-10, 00:49

Am doing a copy/paste here from one of my members:

DEFINITIVAMENTE VALERIA SPA masaje E X E L E N T E, final feliz y no hay extras.
yo en lo personal he hido una vez y me gusto mucho
VALERIA masajista profesional, damas y caballeros
1648-0205
cel. 811389-6546
SALUDOS

Valeria a masseuse that offers massage and happy ending, no other extras.
Seems she has her own spa.Thank you!

Hopefully. I will be able to find her and enjoy a well deserved massaje. I am deeply in your Debt. Amigomio.

If I can ever do anything. Just ask. Again Thank You Sir.

MonterreyDude

03-26-10, 09:04

Am getting more info on this lady tomorrow.
She is supposedly like 33 years old and very good on her craft.

Thank you!

Hopefully. I will be able to find her and enjoy a well deserved massaje. I am deeply in your Debt. Amigomio.

If I can ever do anything. Just ask. Again Thank You Sir.

MonterreyDude

03-27-10, 09:03

Doubt98

03-27-10, 13:43

I know many of you guys buy medicines in Mexico, some of you at the border towns.
In april, all antibiotics will be sold only with a medical prescription in Mexico.

Asides from being harsh and stupid, it will be done next month.

This newspaper link has a complete list of the antibiotics that will no longer be available to us:

http://www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp?id=173245

I have always wondered about the Dr.'s adjacent to some of the pharmacies. How much does it cost to get a prescription from one of them? Can they write a prescription for most anything? And a general question I have always wondered; what about crossing the border with a prescription from Mexico. As long as you have a prescription will they not hassle you?

Bbond

03-27-10, 15:12

i have always wondered about the dr.'s adjacent to some of the pharmacies. how much does it cost to get a prescription from one of them? can they write a prescription for most anything? and a general question i have always wondered; what about crossing the border with a prescription from mexico. as long as you have a prescription will they not hassle you?

here in nl, 30-40 pesos will get you a consulta and an rx. i assume they can write for anything, that is why they are bext door to the farmacia, so both can make $$.

us cbp ain't dumb, they know how easy meds are obtained here, and have rules what is and isn't allow to pass.

i see and hear of a lot of americans bringing meds to the usa, the most important thing is to declare them at the border, failure to do so is smuggling, even if the meds are legit.

from about.com

medication
rule of thumb: when you go abroad, take the medicines you will need, no more, no less. narcotics and certain other drugs with a high potential for abuse - rohypnol, ghb and fen-phen, to name a few - may not be brought into the united states, and there are severe penalties for trying to do so. if you need medicines that contain potentially addictive drugs or narcotics (e.g., some cough medicines, tranquilizers, sleeping pills, antidepressants or stimulants), do the following:

* declare all drugs, medicinals, and similar products to the appropriate cbp official;
* carry such substances in their original containers;
* carry only the quantity of such substances that a person with that condition (e.g., chronic pain) would normally carry for his/her personal use; and
* carry a prescription or written statement from your physician that the substances are being used under a doctor's supervision and that they are necessary for your physical well being while traveling.

u.s. residents entering the united states at international land borders who are carrying a validly obtained controlled substance (other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or lsd), are subject to certain additional requirements. if a u.s. resident wants to bring in a controlled substance (other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or lsd) but does not have a prescription for the substance issued by a u.s.-licensed practitioner (e.g., physician, dentist, etc.) who is registered with, and authorized by, the drug enforcement administration to prescribe the medication, the individual may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication into the united states. if the u.s. resident has a prescription for the controlled substance issued by a dea registrant, more than 50 dosage units may be imported by that person, provided all other legal requirements are met.

please note that only medications that can be legally prescribed in the united states may be imported for personal use. be aware that possession of certain substances may also violate state laws. as a general rule, the fda does not allow the importation of prescription drugs that were purchased outside the united states. please see their web site for information about the enforcement policy for personal use quantities.

warning: the u.s. food and drug administration prohibits the importation, by mail or in person, of fraudulent prescription and nonprescription drugs and medical devices. these include unorthodox “cures” for such medical conditions as cancer, aids, arthritis or multiple sclerosis. although such drugs or devices may be legal elsewhere, if the fda has not approved them for use in the united states, they may not legally enter the country and will be confirep001ed, even if they were obtained under a foreign physician’s prescription.

then this is what cbp has to say..

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/clearing/restricted/medication_drugs.xml

medication/drugs
the federal food, drug, and cosmetic act (the act) prohibits persons from importing into the united states any prescription drug that has not been approved for sale by the united states food and drug administration (fda), or which is adulterated or misbranded within the meaning of the act. moreover, in those instances where a united states manufacturer makes an fda-approved prescription drug and sends it abroad, the act also prohibits any person other than the original manufacturer from importing the drug back into the united states. thus, in virtually all instances, individual citizens are prohibited from importing prescription drugs into the united states.

fda enforcement policy regarding the personal importation of violative drugs
the fda has developed guidance entitled “coverage of personal importations” which sets forth the fda enforcement priorities with respect to the personal importation of unapproved new drugs by individuals for their personal use. under this guidance, as an exercise of enforcement discretion, fda may allow an individual entering the united states to import a three month supply of an unapproved drug if all of the following conditions are met:

1. the intended use of the drug is for a serious condition for which effective treatment may not be available domestically;
2. the drug will not be distributed commercially by the importer;
3. the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk;
4. the individual seeking to import the product affirms in writing that the drug is for the patient’s own use and provides the name and address of the doctor licensed in the united states responsible for his or her treatment with the product, or provides evidence that the product is for the continuation of a treatment begun in a foreign country.

Strike 69

03-28-10, 14:00

It's almost 1 pm local Monterrey time and my friends at my Yahoo group are asking me: "why just a handjob???"

LOL...

Amigomio can you please recommend a couple of girls with a body similar of that of the legendary erotic movies of "ficheras" (porn star type) ? For example like Vicky Palacios:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTP9-IVAJGo

MonterreyDude

03-28-10, 20:20

Strike, you can find girls exactly like her at clubs like Harem and Casino.

Preferably Casino, where the girls are not as agresive fichawise as in Harem

But names... sorry, you'd need to wait till after our Easter Week for me to get you names.
Am off-duty for one week.

But Casino is a good option.

Amigomio can you please recommend a couple of girls with a body similar of that of the legendary erotic movies of "ficheras" (porn star type) ? For example like Vicky Palacios:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTP9-IVAJGo

Marius 67

04-06-10, 18:19

This shoot-out was in Tampico Mexico on April 3rd.

Please moderater do not censore the link I will post. This is to show are friends here; the potential risk we take for going to Mexico.

Mexico is pure chaos right now in the boarder states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.

I'am not saying not to go. But use common sense. When sitting at the clubs; sit somewhere that makes you a hard target and an easy way to get out of a bad situation. If possible go in pairs. Be smart and don't take any

Unnecessary.

This happened at a popular Strip Club in Tampico.

Please do not censore as this is a legitimate News article

http://www.blogdelnarco.com/fotos-de-la-balacera-en-tampico-table-dance-mirage/

MonterreyDude

04-07-10, 17:06

Marius, perhaps your recomendation should have been posted at the "Other Areas" thread cause Tampico is 5 hours away from Monterrey by land.

I would have been preferable if you'd said "if you go to Mexico don't go to stripclubs owned by narcs, and be careful when at Tampico cause the federal forces are indeed after what's left of the Zetas."

Also, Tampico is NOT a border town, this is one half of the twin cities of Tampico and Ciudad Madero, oil towns on the Gulf Coast.

Perhaps you should also read in the news that the Zetas, former gunslingers to the Cartel del Golfo are on the run and are being hunted by everyone, army, navy, other cartels.

Perhaps you also don't know that they have been pushed from the State of Tamaulipas border towns to the middle of the country and you are seeing the last of the local bastions trying to defend what little they got.

Hopefully this will over in a couple of months.

This shoot-out was in Tampico Mexico on April 3rd.

Please moderater do not censore the link I will post. This is to show are friends here; the potential risk we take for going to Mexico.

Mexico is pure chaos right now in the boarder states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.

I'am not saying not to go. But use common sense. When sitting at the clubs; sit somewhere that makes you a hard target and an easy way to get out of a bad situation. If possible go in pairs. Be smart and don't take any

Unnecessary.

This happened at a popular Strip Club in Tampico.

Please do not censore as this is a legitimate News article

http://www.blogdelnarco.com/fotos-de-la-balacera-en-tampico-table-dance-mirage/

Super Gato

04-08-10, 00:43

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Also, Tampico is NOT a border town, this is one half of the twin cities of Tampico and Ciudad Madero, oil towns on the Gulf Coast.

Now Amigomio, remember in another forum I pointed out US news media referring to Monterrey as a border town. Apparently, Ms. South Carolina was right when she said that more people needed maps.

Member #3453

04-08-10, 02:18

Last month, as I was traveling by bus between Monterrey and the US border, I paused to reflect on all the violence that I had been hearing about, sometimes wondering over the course of the 3.5 hour trip, if I was perhaps being a little too careless in coming back to Monterrey so often, that I might just be risking my own neck foolishly, feeling a little apprehensive at being a Gringo in Mexico.

I specifically recall, as the bus pulled into the outskirts of Monterrey, noticing that life is pretty much as usual. The closer we got to El Centro, the more normal everything seemed to be, everybody going about their daily business, everybody seeming as though nothing had really changed as far as their own safety is concerned, amidst what is most definitely a statistical increase in violent crime.

Certainly, the increase in violence is quite noticeable if you examine the statistics. But, having noticed how things appeared to be so normal as I came into the heart of Monterrey that day on the bus, it put everything in it's proper perspective, and I felt a lot more at ease about being there.

Monterrey is not Beirut, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Fact is, Monterrey is not probably any worse right now than some of our major US Cities, where I heard a few weekends ago, there were 16 people shot in Chicago on one weekend night.

If you were to visit Chicago, just as I first entered Monterrey on that bus, you would never know that it is such a violent place. Because, just like Chicago, life goes on in Monterrey, and the inhabitants are treating their own everyday existence just as routinely as they always have, with not much more than a matter of fact acknowledgment that things have gotten worse compared to a few years ago. Everybody is just a little more alert, a little more careful, and a little less carefree. But, life goes on for the 99.99% of them that are never even remotely touched by the statistical increase in violent crime.

And, that is what comforts me in my decision to return, that 99.9% of us beat the odds day in and day out whether we are in Chicago or Monterrey. For me, the added risk of being harmed just isn't worth the psychological harm that would result to my psyche were I to eliminate the delights of Monterrey from my life in favor of what is a comparatively delusional perception of safety achieved by staying in my own home town.

This shoot-out was in Tampico Mexico on April 3rd.

Please moderater do not censore the link I will post. This is to show are friends here; the potential risk we take for going to Mexico.

Mexico is pure chaos right now in the boarder states of Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon.

I'am not saying not to go. But use common sense. When sitting at the clubs; sit somewhere that makes you a hard target and an easy way to get out of a bad situation. If possible go in pairs. Be smart and don't take any

Unnecessary.

This happened at a popular Strip Club in Tampico.

Please do not censore as this is a legitimate News article

http://www.blogdelnarco.com/fotos-de-la-balacera-en-tampico-table-dance-mirage/