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05-09-02, 03:36
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Mill Just
05-09-02, 08:36
Hello All.....I hope everybody finds us here! I'll be back soon with my first report on the new forum....

Miller 2K

Prokofiev
05-11-02, 17:07
Hello Miller,
It is going to take awhile for everyone to figure out the new system. Meanwhile, any updates on Morelia? I'm going to make another trip in July or August. Plan to visit Puebla, Queretaro and Morelia again. Looking for good weather. I have posted messages in Puebla and Queretaro but maybe you have some info on these cities? There was an old post - Sept 2001 - concerning "The Casa"? Have you been there? Plan to study more Spanish in each city. Best wishes, -P

Mill Just
05-13-02, 05:27
Hiya Proko...

Nothing really new to report about Morelia. I've been happy with my usual routine...I did want to report on something fairly unique to Mexico. In the time that I've spent here, I've been slowly, but surely let in on a few secrets. The biggest of which is the population of women who have "normal" shops, but also provide services in the back of their stores. This is a well-kept secret that I wasn't informed of until very recently. The women are usually older and of a lower quality than the usual "pro", but they are also lower in price. For instance, there might be a video store where you can rent movies and then have sex with the woman in a room in back for an additional fee. Of course, all of this is after you've become a reliable person in her eyes (this might not be useful to a tourist because it's taken me almost a year and a half to be let in on these perks). If she doesn't know you well enough, she will deny everything and run you out of her store. These women are usually ex pros who are single mothers. They've raised enough money from their old jobs to buy "legit" business, but they still take on a small group of prefered clients for extra cash. I can't vouch for the quality of their service because I've never used one before, but I can assure you that these semi-pros DO exist. If you ever see a convenience store full of older men or a clothing shop where the owner is always in the back room, then you will see for yourself. I'm not sure where exactly these places are in Morelia, but the small town where I live has three such places that I know of. The taxistas in Morelia, though, have always been eager to take me to places where the ladies work out of their homes. But, as I said, I'm happy with my usual routine for now.

...Queretaro is a nice little city. I've only spent a few hours there, but it looks to be a city along the lines of Morelia, Leon, San Luis Potasi, etc. In other words, it is a mid-sized city with beautiful women and friendly people. I've never been hunting in Queretaro, but I did notice that there were I think two strip clubs close to the bus station. One looked fairly new, the other a bit run-down. Sorry, I can't provide names. As for Puebla, I have no idea. I've been to Pachuca, Hidalgo and I can strongly recommend that place. By the way, if you're ever in Pachuca visit "Real del Monte". It's a French colony in the mountains where the scenery is beautiful, the air is fresh, and the food is unbelievable.

...as for "looking for good weather"....The weather is ALWAYS good in Morelia...

Hope I helped

Mill Just
05-27-02, 08:00
Hello...Is the Michoacan section just about dead? As a matter of fact, the whole Mexico section is in pretty bad shape since the move to the New Forum. C'mon people! Start posting!

Well, I just spent the weekend in Morelia and there are a couple of new things to report:

I called up the Elegance escort service again and got hooked up with a girl named Karina. The service was very good, she had a decent body (a little heavy on the bottom--but that's not a bad thing in my opinion), but her face was perfect. She could've had the prettiest face I have ever seen on an escort. She had gorgeous gray eyes that she swore were natural. I kid you not, she could be on magazines! I got her private cell number so we can make arrangements away from the ageny. The service charges 800 pesos for the hour, but we will meet for 600 pesos privately. She also mentioned that she would be willing to bring along another woman and have a 3-some with me. I don't know if she's bi-sexual, but I'll let you know when/if I take her up on her offer. I won't give out her cell number until I ask her permission, but she seems very willing to meet Americans. The only thing is that she only works days (until 7 pm) because she told me that she still lives at home and that her parents think she works as a secretary.

As for the SW scene. The action on Santiago Tapia, between Leon Guzman and the Conservatorio de las Rosas seems to be picking up. Usually, there are just a few older street walkers hanging out, but this time there were at least 7 or 8 at two PM and more in the evening hours. The quality has improved as well. There are some younger girls working there now. I didn't get a chance to check out the SW action on Heroes de Nocupetaro, "behind" the old bus terminal. Maybe there was a crackdown in that area and the ladies are moving away. I don't know, but I intend to find out. That is, if anyone's even reading this forum anymore!

Take care and be safe my brothers...

Prokofiev
05-27-02, 21:26
Hola Miller!,

I was thinking the same thing. Where is everyone? Cupido? El Pollo? Tito? Cupido, please assure us you are still interested in Chicas! I couldn't tell which messages on the old forum were real and which were bogus. No impersonations allowed on the new forum!
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Miller, Will be in Morelia 1st week of August, with stops in Queretaro and Puebla. I received a good response on the Queretaro board for info on La Yegua. Please pass on the cell phone number of Karina if possible. How old is she? As far as the two women scene is concerned, I've had less than happy experiences with more than one woman. The reason is that it allows the women to talk and bond with one another instead of with me! I want the woman's undivided attention and the whole GFE that I love is pretty much out the window with another woman (or man) in bed. Plus it usually costs twice as much and I would rather spend that money on two dates than only one. Of course if you've never done it or the sight of 2 girls making love drives you crazy, Go for it.
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Peace, -P

Mill Just
05-29-02, 06:54
Proko...

Keep us posted on your findings in Queretaro. I've heard nothing but good things from the folks on the board. I'm looking to have a bit of a tour of Mexico sometime this year and I want to visit places where I haven't "gone hunting" before.

As for Cupido...I thought that there was an imposter posting under his name, but now that he hasn't posted in such a long time I'm starting to think that maybe he DID discover the she-males. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but it's sad to lose a good guy to the "other" team...

In another section, you wondered how you could meet older single women (in a non-professional manner). Well, just start giving English lessons. Since I started working here, I think every single mother, young widow, and unmarried woman over 30 has been through my doors. Too bad I'm stuck on the younger girls, though. Seriously, though, the older women see an outsider (someone who doesn't think less of a single mother or an unmarried adult woman) and they want to see if they can get a Gringo. The problem with them is that they are mostly very beaten-down and desperate. The culture beats on them so much that they often develop emotional problems. It's true what you said, though. The young women are breathtaking and the older ladies are frumpy. There seems to be no middle ground. Women here have a hard life. Try staying young-looking after 7 kids, an abusive, alcoholic husband and having to do back-breaking chores in the blazing sun. Your best bet in finding an attractive, older woman is to look for a professional (doctora, teacher, etc.). My only suggestion is to work hard when you're here to make some friendships with ladies, hand out your e-mail address and you'll be surprised how many woman will be willing to communicate long distance and wait patiently for you visits once or twice a year. Having an American boyfriend is a status symbol and they will be very patient until your next trip. I did the same thing two years ago when I first arrived and I've had a few girlfriends and at least a half dozen good friends who are always willing to present me to another friend.

good luck and be careful...

Prokofiev
05-29-02, 23:56
Miller,
Thanks for the reply. I KNOW that the english lessons would be killer, but I am never in one place more than a week. Maybe in the future I will rent a house for a month or two. I usually study spanish in one of the local schools and I make it a point to attend the english-spanish exchange hour, usually in the late afternoon or night. A GREAT way to meet the locals! Although the vast majority of students are very young, there are usually several older students and the teachers as well. I taught several english classes here in the US last month at a local school, to help out my spanish teacher who runs the operation. First day of classes I hook-up with a 35 yo woman from China! I wasn't really looking for it , but it definitely came to me. What a woman! I now give her private lessons in my home and she has become my girlfriend. I really was looking for a latina - and there were many- but this is just too good to turn down. I may start posting on the China board! - but what a tough language! I thought spanish was hard. . .
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Also don't forget the Karina cell phone number. I will remind you in 5-6 weeks, right before I leave. I will of course post all my experiences. Keep the Faith ... - P

Gpiper
06-12-02, 03:03
Hey Miller,
Have never neen to Morelia. where in mexico is it and how is the climate? Am thinking of returning to Mexico for a while in september. I was last there in AGUAS in '99. i like em young too (18-25). How is the ratio there, and are they friendly like in Ags.? Is it a fun town, or is it boring like Ags. was?..I'm interested in teaching english in the fall. do you know any schools hiring? My spanish is descent, and by sept. i'll have my masters degree and a tefl cert. Also, how far is Morelia from the ocean, and where is the nearest airport? Thanks for any info!!

Mill Just
06-12-02, 06:30
gpiper...

If you like women, aged 18-25, then Morelia is your town. Morelia is the capital of the state of Michoacan and it's also a college city. So, the place is loaded with young, attractive people. Also, because of so many young people, there are many clubs and discos to meet all needs. Morelia is in Central Mexico, about a 5 and 1/2 hour drive West of Mexico City. The temp. is almost always about 80-85 degrees Farenheit. Morelia has its own International airport, but you'll have to check which US cities it serves. (I know for a fact that it serves Chicago and San Francisco, but I'm not too sure about other cities). The beach is a distance, but with the good weather, beautiful mountain ranges, and gorgeous ladies, you won't care.

The population is aprox 1.5 million, but the population acts much like a small city. They are warm and open and open-minded. Americans are very welcome and almost always become the most popular persons at the club or party. Don't worry about tourist traps too much because almost everything is on the up and up. I've never been cheated or taken advantage of because I was a Gringo. On the contrary, I've received special treatment most of the time.

I teach English in a nearby town and I don't have any sort of certificate. I just came down here, printed up some flyers, and started. What you'll realize down here when you live in Mexico for some time is that everything is better done under the table. I was worried about certificates and visas when I first came here, but almost the entire population prefers to do business away from the authorities. So, I work for myself, charge whatever I like, and take time off whenever I want. The gov't doesn't ever bother me because they honestly don't care. That's fine by me. If you must go through the "proper channels", there are always Institutes that are looking for teachers. English is very important in Morelia because the University system in the state of Michoacan demands a score of 80% or higher in English in order to graduate (at least that's what I've been told)

If you want some more specific info, let me know...hope I helped

Gpiper
06-14-02, 02:34
Miller,
Thanks for the info! i am now seriously considering trekking down to Morelia from Miami, FL(where i live now) in September, for at least a few months. .a few more questions: So you're an english tutor? i did that in Aguas 3 years ago. What kind of money do you make and do you have enough clients to cover room, board, and a little partying? ? I'm not too crazy about working at a school, because of the 1 yr. contract commitment thing, and if i don't like the city for whatever reason, i don't want to get tied down there. I still don't know if i want to work and stay in 1 Mexican town for close to a year, or just pick up some part-time tutor gig in a few different cities, and sample the cities for a few months each. Last time i was in aguas i was staying with an american buddy of mine. He's now back in the states with his mexican fiancee, so i will be traveling solo, which isn't as fun...Morelia sounds like it's a lot more happening then Aguas. Are the girls real religious in Morelia? You make it sound like americans are almost treated like royalty in morelia. It sound like they're even friendlier then in Aguas. In aguas, there was 1 college where the girls were actually quite stuckup. How far do you live from Morelia? Is it easy to get around without one's car? You mentioned the weather is real warm. Is that year round? when i was in Aguas, it would go down to 35 degrees early in the am november -january. I wasn't prepared for that.. As far as the strip clubs and esteticas are concerned.. are there many there, or do you rely on the friendliness and numbers of the college girls in town to hook up gratis? Maybe you can supply me with some more specific info on schools also..And what about accomodations? What does it usually run to have a decent 1 bedroom apt. with electric, and air if possible? Thanks again!!

Cherubino
06-14-02, 06:16
gpiper

I feel the need to jump into this conversation if for no other reason than to give you some other perspectives.

I can tell you need to spend some more time in Mexico so you will better understand the dichotomy which exists between the American and Mexican lifestyles; and the contrast between rich and poor in Mexico. Read what Miller2k has written about "living like an American" for a better idea of what I mean.

I have friends both Americans and Mexicans. Every visit I get an earful of bellyaching about abysmal economic conditions from both sides.

One Mexican friend has a decent job, adequate little house, maid once a week, laundry girl to wash and iron his clothes, part-time cook to do his grocery shopping and prepare his meals, telephone, internet service, cable TV, and satellite dish. He lives in an inexpensive area. He makes US$60 a week and thinks his economic outlook sucks.

One American friend always complains to me about her $250 electric bill, $2.50 per gallon gas, high cost of maintaining two vehicles, high cost of imported American brands, and the trouble finding good help (1 chauffeur, 2 maids, 1 cook, 1 gardener) who will not steal her blind. She lives in an expensive tourist area with the other gringos. She says she is having trouble making ends meet with US$2,500 per month and thinks her economic outlook sucks.

Somewhere in between lies the truth of what it costs to live in Mexico. I listen to both sides because I have the same interests as you.

Mill Just
06-14-02, 07:00
gpiper...I'll try to answer as many question as I can (I wish I had someone to ask when I first came to live in Mexico. It would've saved a lot of time and money):

I make about 7,000 pesos a month (9 in the summer). This is more than suffiecient to cover room and board, and at least one or two weekends of partying a month ( I also charge people to translate documents). The students are plentiful and if I wanted to work 18 hour days, I'd have enough students....I live about a 1 and a half hour drive from Morelia...I don't have a car and I don't need one because my town is small and Morelia is full of cheap taxis (20-25 pesos to anywhere in the city)...It's always about the same temperature (maybe a tiny bit warmer in March and April)...Religion is a big part of the Mexican existence, but you'll find most of the girls are religious at home, religious at church, but more liberal-minded in a relationship...I don't know about being treated like royalty, but the people tend to be out-going and they have bent over backwards to help me out...There are a few strip clubs (not too sure about the estheticas) that I would highly recommend. They are not tourist traps and everything is reasonably priced. There are quite a few escort services with a good selection of girls. I would rate the escorts and strippers as better than anyother place I've been to in Mexico with regards to price and quality of service...But, if you prefer to go "traditional", you certainly, as a Gringo, have a leg up in the whole dating scene....Where I live, I can rent a big house with all services for about 800-1,000 pesos a month. Of course, my cost of living is less since I don't live in a big city. In Morelia, I've heard of apartments going anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 pesos (sometimes mores for larger places). Look in the "Voz de Michoacan" newspaper. Most places don't have air conditioning because the building materials they use are naturally insulated. It could be very hot outside and you'd feel chilly inside...Don't have too much info on schools, but I know that there are many institutes in Morelia and the surrounding area...

...What Cherubino is refering to is that, as Americans, we are accustomed to a standard of living that just doesn't exist very often in Mexico. We are used to living in a disposable culture of new cars every two years, electrical appliances everywhere, eating out at will, etc. If you live like this and make a Mexican salary, you will go broke. 6,000 pesos a month is plenty to live a very comfortable life if you live a simple life. Eat out only every so often, make do with your old TV, hang on to your VCR for another year before buying the DVD. When I first got here, I was living like a tourist and I faced the cold, hard realities fast. Money is not as replenishable in Mexico as it is in the USA. In Mexico, you need to worry about the necessities, while Americans take those things for granted. "Living like an American" means spending money on things that aren't necessary, treating luxuries like necessities. I'm happy here and I don't have to worry about money now, but I'm still aware that this might change. I always think long and hard now abouth whether I REALLY need something before I buy it...

Hope I helped...If you need anything else, let me know...

Gpiper
06-15-02, 20:49
cherubino, miller:
thanks for all the info. Didn't quite understand everything you were trying to tell me cherubino. I have lived in mexico before, albeit for only 4 months in '99 in Aguas. I have a cAR, BUT know i WON'T BE NEEDING IT DOWN THERE. i ALSO HAVE a NICE TV, DVD, ETC., DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRACTICAL TO BRING DOWN THERE (shipping expense). I won't be coming down empty handed with only $70 in my pocket and no job or place lined up like my friend did 3 yrs. ago.. When you were talking about the girl with 2 cars, who made $,2500 pr. month, was she working in mexico or the states? ..I'll also have to consider my financial situation. Even though i've saved a bit of money, I have more debt due to student loans i've accrued for these darn degrees. I may have the opportunity of picking from a few jobs here in the states that would pay me $45-50g to start, I could make a major dent in these loans over the next 2 yrs. and i could vacation worry free in Mexico twice a year for 10 days, or go down to Mexico in sept., work and be content making no more than 8,000 pesos a month and having my debt accrue over 1G per yr. in interest alone! It's obviously something you guys can't decide for me. But this guy on GDL site named Montes seems to have a good idea of staying in the states working and saving until he has 100G and is debt free and can make his move down to Mexico and live comfortably and work part-time for a long time. That's something I'll consider as i'm, open to suggestions...Miller..1 more question..Why do you live in a little town(name?) 1.5 hrs. away from morelia if you like Morelia as much as you do (especially with all the girls and decent nite life there)?...And as far as the strip clubs and escort services, If i do head to Morelia, i'll contact you before i leave to get some names of places and possibly chicas you may have run into over there, and hopefully i'll be able to give you guys my own report in the 'action' scene down there, so you can get a break from all my questions!...Piper out.

Prokofiev
06-16-02, 22:46
Okay Piper,
This is just my opinion but ...
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It sounds to me like you are in your late 20's, have student loans and a negative net worth. You are thinking of moving to Mexico and trying to get a job there for a few years while you say you have US job offers around 50K to start. Crazy idea. Why go further in debt by struggling to work in the Mexican economy? It is clear from your posts that you are not remotely like Miller2k in your outlook on life. Believe me from experience, you will be far happier saving a few bucks and starting a career before its too late. If you like women, you will find that money and status count no matter where you live. Even more so in Mexico. In your 20's and early 30's you can get laid anywhere - broke or not. But if you want to remain a player at 35, 40 and beyond you have to have something to show you are a man of means. Women want the security and peace of mind that comes from a man who can take care of himself and her. This is the one invariant I have found in a lifetime of chasing tail around the world. Class, culture, education, manners, status and money will see you through for the rest of your life. You don't have to flaunt wealth (and shouldn't-especially in Mexico) but having it makes everything easier. Make some money, visit Mexico on trips and 20 years from now you can write your own ticket. - P

Mill Just
06-18-02, 06:20
hiya piper...I live in a town called Cd. Hidalgo. I originally moved there because a friend of a friend had a house I could use there for free. That has changed, though. So why am I still here if Morelia is so great? Well, in the two years that I've been here I've grown to like the people and I've developed quite a few close relations. There's also an economic advantage to living in a smaller town: No competition. In Morelia, there are many English Institutes and quite a few Americans. But here, I am the only Gringo in town and I have no competition. It's either study with me or get on a bus for a couple of hours. Having said all that, though, I am planning at least a partial move to Morelia in the near future.

just to touch on a point you made. I left the USA because I wanted to get away from all the materialism. My life is very simple now and that's the way I wanted it. I get the feeling that you want to leave the USA and still want to live like you did in the States. That's fine. To each his own, but I will warn you that you might be very disillusioned. The first few months here are blissful: You have a pocket full of cash and everything's rosy. Then, somewhere around the end of your first year, reality starts to hit hard. Even with your savings and the money you make from working, you will find yourself slowly sliding downhill economically. The problem here is that they nickel and dime you to death. 20 pesos here, 30 there and pretty soon you are living barely from payment to payment. That's how the people live here, they borrow from one to pay another. Of course, all of this can be overcome. I did. But I did so by simplifying my lifestyle even moreso than I had intended. So, Prokofiev is right. If you want to live in luxury and never have to worry about money, save up a dozen or so years and move down south.

When/If you decide to come down I will be more than happy to give you a few names and act as a guide...

Cupido Morboso
06-19-02, 08:15
Miller and Prokoliev:
I'm still interested in Chicas...

:)

I'm out of the country (Japan/Korea/Russia), I have limited Internet access, I'll be back Oct/Nov,
Leave some Morelianas for me...

Regards,

Cupido Morboso,

P.S.

I have girlfriend now so....no hobby... for some time...

Prokofiev
06-22-02, 20:58
Cupido,

Glad to see you're still "here", at least in spirit. Two of my favorite places are Morelia (all of central Mexico) and Barcelona. You seem to have strong connections and good info on both places. Will be in Barcelona again for a month in November. Welcome back.

Miller. The reason I strongly recommend earning and saving some cash$$$ is NOT so one can live in luxury. I've always lived beneath my means as a matter of choice - and you can live simply in the US as well as Mexico. For me, it's a matter of freedom and security. If living in Morelia is a little too expensive for you, how could you ever live in Guadalajara or Mex City, much less NY, London, Paris etc.? Maybe none of this interests you, but the freedom to live or travel where you want, how you want, is very important to me. Security doesn't mean living in a castle with guards to watch over your possessions. But it does mean that you can pay your medical expenses for an operation or long hospital stay. That you don't have to worry about missing work and not eating. I believe you could live a very similar life in the US and still make some money for your future. At a later date, you can then drop out and return to Mexico or where ever with more of a security blanket. I worked in a high paying job for over 20 years yet never bought a car. I took the bus to work - and enjoyed it, while others drove sportscars and bought boats. It all depends on the individual and what they want. I value experiences, not possessions yet I need to have options available. The wealthy man can live where and how he chooses. The poor man has few options. A few sacrifices early in life can assure your future. Peace - P

Mill Just
06-24-02, 05:32
Cupido...Welcome Back!!! We thought that we'd lost you to the Pink Team!!! (just kidding).

Proko...I didn't mean to imply that you were looking for luxury. It just seemed that Gpiper was concerned about the big lifestyle change involved in moving to Mexico. Having money aside for emergencies is good and strongly recommended. I came here with a relatively small amount saved and I was lucky enough to not need extra cash for an emergency. I've always lived a gypsy lifestyle (except for the horrible, horrible stint in corporate America) and I've been lucky enough to have an angel on my shoulder the whole time- this is not the case with most people. I wanted to drop out completely because I felt that even the slightest amoung of "security" would hold me down and prevent me from making my lifestyle change. Almost like learning to swim, but never letting go of the boat. To each his own. That's the beauty of life, but I feel that my current hapiness is entirely due to the fact that I made the committment to change with all my heart.

Cupido Morboso
06-25-02, 09:19
Prokoliev:
I know this is not the right forum but I must tell you...I love Spain, I like Barcelona (a lot) but I prefer smaller cities, my favorite cities in Spain are (in order):

1.- the Marbella/ Torremolinos/ Fungirola/Malaga/Gibraltar area (Costa del Sol),
2.- Oviedo (Principado de Asturias),
3.- San Sebastian,
4.- Santander/El Sardinero beach,
5.- La Coruña (suburb) and Santiago de Compostela (Galicia),
6.- Sevilla
7.-Zaragoza
8.- Barcelona
9.- Madrid


I like to visit Spain in Feb/March (I like the weather),
If you want my advice on Spain post your questions on the Spain forum, will be a pleasure to help,

if you return to Morelia and want a GFE/amateur, call Mrs. NORA (tel. 3133486), read my postings about her (old forum), she will set you up with an amateur, don't forget to tell her that a "friend" sent you... it's important or she will hung up,


Regards

CM

Miller: try Nora once or twice, you will not regret it,

Prokofiev
09-11-02, 22:18
Was back in Morelia several weeks ago, just when the server went down! The weather was good but it rained every day.
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Finally found the hotel "behind the old bus station". Several young girls on the street, somewhat aggressive in looking for tricks. Definitely not shy and several were rather good looking but with that druggie look. Going price still 200 pesos but to my surprise NONE of them would consider a BJ! A 15 min lay is the only thing on the menu. I tried to reason with them, a BJ is cleaner and less work, but they all said no. I couldn't believe it.
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Decided to pass and look at the area by the conservatorio. Several older women there but still no BJ! Maybe I'm paranoid, but I wasn't in the mood for a STD. Finally found a cute morena, late 30's who took me to her hotel for a total of 150 pesos which included the room. Cheap, but no oral. Is this a new rule? Had no problem last time. I ended up getting a HJ (!) while she sat on my face giving me a spectacular view of her goods - which seemed in tip-top working order. Actually was kind of exciting and only $15. More later . . P

El Mojado
09-13-02, 07:42
Hello Everyone! (Especially Miller2k & Proko!)

Hey, this is my first post but I've been watching for over a year now on here. I've been scratching at the keys waiting for the discussion forums to come back online (Many thanks Jackson!).

Well, I feel I have a lot in common with Miller2K and Proko -- I love Morelia very much. I have traveled to Mexico at least 2 to 3 times a year for the last five years and I was fortunate enough to spend upwards of 2 to 3 months each trip. I actually had a single, steady girlfriend for over 2 years in the city of Uruapan which is very close to Morelia (85 peso bus ride, $8.50USD)

I agree with Miller2k in terms of Mexicanas as girlfriends, they will wait for you to return, but be careful. They do want to marry and tend to look at living in the US as their best chance to have a good life. I don't agree with that -- the U.S. is where the money's at as Proko advised to another user in the Guad forum, but as Miller2k said, it's not a place for true freedom -- you're a slave to the corporate world unless you make a heck of a lot of money and are not divorced with alimony and support payments and limited visitation with your children. The best thing I've seen is to make your money and get out.

My girlfriend got her own ideas and we broke up... after that I discovered all the fun I was missing!!! Uruapan is a happening city all its own and I'll post soon about my adventures there! Out of three women I met at the strip / sex clubs, all three were very nice, two spent the whole night with me on several occasions and these two gave me exquisite GFE! ($300 to $700 pesos prices as recent as December 2001) None spoke english - I'm fluent in Spanish.

So my question for Miller2k and Proko -- I've zero experience in Morelia. I tried to go to one of the stripper clubs there once that was listed in the old forums and I actually got there too late, it was closed and too late to even get a last minute girl. I like the idea of the SW's behind where the old bus station was, but I'd like to know if there is anything like the massage parlors of Guadalajara that sound REALLY good (I might almost want to live in Guad just for that ;) Is there anything in that same price range that is decent in Morelia ($350 to max of $500 Mexican Pesos)

However, I love Morelia and I have a few friends there and I like the student atmosphere and the restaurants and food. And it's close to my old watering hole of Uruapan in case there is no middle ground between the $200 peso, 15 minute quickie SW and the $1,500 peso 2 hour dancer.

Now I'm looking to live in Morelia unless I get convinced to go to Guad. I'm planning on moving in September of 2003, I've already got some money saved up but want to sock away another year of U.S. wages before I head into Mexico and try out my "Mexicano" approach to living life.

Anyway... I'd like to talk more about that with you Miller2k if we could. I'm curious how you can afford to live in Mexico with what you earn AND still be able to go a "mongering". I plan on cooking my own food and cleaning my own place, so no maid and no chef. Though if I could work out something with one of the chicas and pay her to do my laundry and a little more on the side for some extra $ then that's cool too ;)

Miller, since you are down in the Michoacan area, can you let me know what the going price is for a house in Morelia (2 bedroom or so) or an apartment with a cochera, (parking area) for a truck? If the truck turns into a problem, I'll get rid of it, but I'll be moving with it and legalizing it in Mexico (it's a datsun/nissan 1980 P/U, the kind that are all over that area of Mexico - easy to fix and easy to get parts).

I'm budgeting about $8,000 pesos per month with no more than $2,500 pesos per month going to pay the rent. You can get anything from a small house to a 2 bedroom apartment in Guadalajara for that price. That would leave me with plenty to buy food, go out once in a while to eat at the Colibri restaurant, go catch a movie, etc. Plus, I think I'd have enough for checking out the chicas at least 2X per month, not the $200 peso ones, more like the $500 to $750 peso ones. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to just have a few regular chicas to choose from, maybe 2 or 3 or 4 with the option of sampling a new tasty chica every once in a while :)

I was originally trying to budget just $8000 USD per year for 6,500 pesos a month, but it'll probably be more like $10,000 USD per year. Either way, working in the U.S. for some months out of the year would probably be what I end up doing like my Mexicano brother counterparts, only at least I'll be spared of having to risk my life crossing over the border since I have valid U.S. and Mexican passports.

O.K. I'll post more later in the weekend. I had some trouble getting this post up. But Miller, you need to visit Uruapan and check it out... It's quite a place and the ladies are very nice at the strip clubs. There are no Gringos hardly there, but there are locals who are returning from working in the U.S. and when they're around, forget it... the ladies are all taken.

-- El Mojado....

Prokofiev
09-14-02, 04:10
Mojado,
Good to hear from someone new. I went to a Morelia massage parlor (actually a house) back in Feb and wrote about it. Look in the archives. But it was going to be 800 pesos,so it was not cheap. I know of no commercial establishment, like in Guadalajara.
In fact everything seems to be 150 or 200 on the street or 800 to 1000 from outcall services. See Millers and Cupidos recommendations.
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What I like most about Morelia is 1) the climate and 2) the friendly people. It has a more liberal attitude than other parts of Mexico. But it is not as cheap as some other cities.
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As far as other advice as to moving there, it depends on how old you are, do you have Mexican connections or heritage, money, a job and what do you want from life. You already know my take on things. Earn your money in the US and move later. You won't regret it. Miller has chosen another path and is happy. Also despite all our writings about SW's and call girls, in the end a girlfriend or wife is much more important - and I think Miller would agree with that. Pay for play wears thin REAL fast. It may be the spice of life, but it is not the main course. I can't imagine moving there for that reason. But why not have both? Dating Mexicanas has been more interesting and fun (albeit confusing) than 150 peso SW's.
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Miller can tell you more about actually living there and Cupido probably knows the most. Has (or had) a house in Morelia, I believe. Good luck. -P

Mill Just
09-15-02, 06:53
Sorry if I've been a bit indifferent about posting lately, there've been a few unpleasant experiences that have made me question the point of posting here...but then a post like Mojado's comes along...

As usual, Proko is right about everything. Having a Mexican girlfriend is much better in the long run than going with SW's, club girls, or escorts (although these have almost always been tremendous experiences for me.) I've taken a break from my "hobby" because I'm now in a steady relationship and I couldn't be happier. When a Mexican woman is in love with you, she will give her entire being to you (almost to the point of making you feel guilty).

But, anyway, it's still great to just have some fun for a while, so I'll answer your questions, Mojado, to the best of my knowledge:

With a decent amount of effort on your part, you can pull in about 8-10 thousand pesos a month (at least 6) and that can pay your bills, pay for a couple of beautiful ladies, and still allow you to take an occasional vacation. I live in a neighboring small town so the cost of living is a lot lower and I can live comfortably (I have internet service, a satellite dish, a steady stream of mail-order products from the USA, and I still have enough to take two trips back to the USA a year. Of course, YMMV. Maybe if I lived in Morelia , with a lot more temptation to spend, I would have less (but I would also be able to charge my students more) So, it's all relative. Rents in Morelia vary from 1,500 to 10,000 pesos, depending on what you are looking for and where. Basically, everything in the city is good and there isn't much of a crime problem (compared to the other big cities). I've seen two bedroom apartments, close to the University area go for about 2,500 pesos. Personally, I would recommend ditching the truck before you come because many people drive insanely here and traffic in the downtown area is terrible. Also, there are some crazy traffic laws here that often are just pretexts from the transit cops to ask for a bribe. For 20-25 pesos a taxista will take you anywhere you need. Every person that I've met who's brought a car from the USA has regretted it. The money from the sale of your truck could mean another few months of easy living.

Morelia is my favorite place in Mexico because, aside from our hobby, the atmosphere is just awesome. The club life at night is small, but very warm and friendly and the people will open their arms to you and help you in the transition as you get accustomed to the city.

If there's anything else that you'd like to know, feel free to e-mail me at: justice4pm@hotmail.com

I'd be happy to help out in anyway possible and maybe you can give me a few tips on Uruapan.

Prokofiev: I've also been shut down with regard to oral sex with the SW's. There was only one time where I was able to get oral sex from a SW, but usually I go for the oral thing with the escorts. They are always game (Even most of the club girls balk at the idea). One SW asked me if the women in the USA were very "caliente". I asked why and she said that American men always ask for oral sex. From what was hinted at, many feel that oral sex is a perversion. Thank the Catholic Church for that! Even the prostitutes have moral hang-ups. But here's a tip, I bought some flavored condoms in the USA and brought them out before I asked for oral. The girl was amused and a bit curious and that was the one time that I got oral sex from a SW. It's worth a try if you don't mind covered BJ's.

Hope I helped....

El Mojado
09-16-02, 02:54
Hi Miller2K & Proko!

Thanks for your replies on here.. and yes, I will admit myself that when I was involved with my girlfriend in Mexico it was a very beautiful thing. I was faithful to her our entire relationship and I really cared about her. Not surprisingly, I became very close to her family and I am still in touch with them. They love me to death and were very shocked at her actions and saddened by the end of the relationship. And as strange as it may sound to some, but you two and anyone else who's been loved not just by a Mexicana but by her family, they still care about me a lot and I still visit them every time I am in Mexico out of caring and respect. Plus I made some really special ties there. I've watched some of my "neices and nephews" (They still insist on calling me "Uncle" and treat me as part of their family) grow and learn and I've encouraged them to do well in their studies. They live in a very small town with no paved roads just outside of La Piedad in Michoacan.

So... in many ways I agree with you both -- A mexican girlfriend and a Mexican wife are the only way I would have a girlfriend and marry and would certainly be much better than risking HIV and STD's and bad experiences with SW's and such... but I don't know if I'm ready to "settle down" just yet. And I really would not even touch a U.S. woman (from my area, SF bay area) with my worst enemy's penis!!! I don't know what it's like for other people in less "tech" areas in the U.S. but this is the shit hole of the universe it seems when it comes to really mean, cut-throat and materialistic women. I'm a "nice guy" and they simply eat us up alive here. When I am in Mexico, the women warm up so much to the "nice guy" that it's a wonderful experience... and more so with the SW's They appreciate us all the more because when you treat them with respect and caring they return it 5 times as much.

The women I mentioned in my other post, I gave them food and candy for their children after we had spent the night together. I took them out to the cab and paid the cab fare myself in my pantuflas (slippers) the next morning, and two of these women actually let me come over and see them at their homes and I met their children. It didn't happen right away but that to me is much more valuable than a $200 pesos 15-min "release". And though these women do what they do, they love their children, they honor their children and they deserve our respect even when you're haggling about price. (and no, the children didn't know I was a "John", I was introduced as a visiting teacher from the U.S.)

The women I had these experiences with live in Uruapan. One I lost touch with sadly - she may still be there and if she is, she worked at the stripper club called "Western Dance" and went by the name of "Yasmin". She is in her early 30's now and was widowed when her husband was killed in a drug related situation 6 years ago (He was from Apatzingan, a very rough place notorious for Narcos) and left her with 5 children to raise on her own. Her house was really tiny, cinderblock and tin roof 1 room home with a makeshift "room" on the roof for her oldest sons and in an unincorporated area of Uruapan past the Colonia Sol Naciente where the streets are dirt and the homes have no running water and only a few have electricity. I always brought things for all 5 of the children and some of the neighbor kids whenever I came to Uruapan and that helped keep them thinking I was a teacher and they actually used the materials - notebooks, pencils, pens, and such and appreciated them more than the candy I brought (and toothbrushes too).

This woman (Yasmine) NEVER charged me more than $350 pesos for an entire night with her, and at times I gave her a little more but she never asked for more. She showed me pictures of herself and her family and husband when he was alive from an album she had and she lived better before and she was shown filming her family with a videocamera in one pic and obviously wasn't as impoverished all her life. She has a sister who lives in Col Sol Naciente who lives in a very nice house and she helps Yasmine out with the kids a lot and Yasmine seems to get by. It's a hard life and I know she appreciated my friendship, even though I was a "john".

The other woman, a very attractive 24 year old who celebrates her birthday in late November, has two children and her husband left the U.S. and stopped sending her money after a few months and stopped contact. He could be incarcerated or maybe he figured he'd be better off with another lady here in the U.S. and he could forget about the two kids he had with her. She goes by "Andrea" and was at the "Club Tabledance" in Uruapan. She let me videotape her before we "did the deed" :) She probably would have let me tape the "deed" but I didn't think it was appropriate to do that or ask for that. It would have been one hot video though... she must not have had sex for a while because she just would not stop and after I shot my load she lied with me and cuddled me for a while and then asked me if I had more condoms... That got me going and she "jump started" me literally and I can still remember the sensations! We've stayed in contact via snail mail and she sent me pics of her playing with her kids and I actually met her once at her house and delivered some of those "blo-pens" for her kids and some candy and she received me and hugged me lightly and kissed me on the cheeks in the traditional friend greeting of Mexico. I didn't want to attract any strange attention to her because she is a married woman and lives a few doors down from her parents, so I politely talked with her just inside the doorway and arranged for that evenings "pachanga" later at my hotel.

I plan on seeing her again and definitely in remaining friends no matter what happens. She's sent me some information regarding rentals in Uruapan, but it's just very hard to find much over there and I do not expect her to mail stuff out to me at $15 USD a pop through Mexico Express. I'd rather she spend her money on her kids and I'll find something some other way.

Anyway... these are the kinds of experiences I crave -- it's human contact and that's so lacking in the states at least where I live. I know it's "against the code" to marry one of these ladies but being friends with them is something I want and that comes naturally. I want to know I can trust the woman I'm sleeping with in the event I do fall asleep in her arms. I don't want to wind up like that song "Trendy" Ricky Martin sings (La Vida Loca...)
And I know what happens when you sleep with a woman from this area of the U.S.... she'll cut off your balls rip your wings off, hermano!

So this is a long post and the topic is not the "standard" on here as I've seen over the year I've been reading this site. But in the end, Yes... I would really love to be in a loving relationship with just one woman who appreciated me and truly cared about me. Until that day comes, I'll be checking this site and looking forward to being in Mexico.

Regarding the economics of Mexico, I'll email you at your email more with info and questions on that (and Uruapan, which I'll post again here for the "People"). But I will say this... I don't mind living in an area with little "creature comforts". Just give me some electricity, a Tinaco on my roof that gets warm at mid-day so I can take a shower without freezing my balls off, a 2 burner propane camp stove and two sinks... one for cooking (with maybe a 3/4 HP garbage disposal that I'll bring from the US), and one where I can handwash my clothes on those rippled things. I don't mind washing clothing at all that way. For sensitive stuff, I can always contract it out to someone in the neighborhood after figuring out who would do it for some money and maybe some english help or help with something else. I don't think I want a phone though I'd miss the internet. Still, living over there what would I need the internet for :) Cybercafes are cheap and if you take a used laptop with you as you cross the border (free, not tax) you can write and edit any email you want to send and just cut and paste it at the cybercafe and you're done in 10 minutes and you can send about 5 long messages as attachments or as cut and pasted emails.

Anyway... this is long - hopefully not too long.

Thanks for your comments on here and I'm really glad to hear that you have a wonderful girlfriend now Miller2K! Just don't bring her to the U.S. or she might turn bad :/ I'll tell you more about that in the email, at least my observations of what I have seen happen over the years.

Sincerely,

El Mojado...

Gpiper
09-22-02, 02:54
sorry el mojado, you lost me after the 3rd paragraph....too long!!

Cupido Morboso
09-23-02, 08:03
MOJADO:

I'd like to help you MOVING TO MEXICO...it's easy if you really want to,


Most EU contries ask anybody who wants to move there to have at least $100,000US in the bank and a minimum $600US monthly income, Most countries have similar rules,
If you want to (permanently) move to Mexico (or any other country) you'll need a similar amount of money, Mexico is not cheap, and you can't work legally if you are not "mexican citizen", or until you are, If you want to live in Mexico, get a mexican passport as soon as possible (2-5 years),

I also recommend to:

1.- buy a house in order to keep a "clean/low" budget, rents are not cheap,

2.- buy local health insurance, Medical Treatment in Mexico is very expensive, if you get sick you can spend all your life savings very fast,
I recommend to buy the Inbursa Plan (www.segurosinbursa.com) with a $10,000 pesos "deducible", instead of the normal $3000, this will cut the annual cost by 70%, Medical Insurance will cost a few hundred dollars a year but may save you a lot of $$$,

3.- TIMING is very important, (ex., today is a good day to move to Argentina, the recent 3.6 to 1 devaluation of the Arg. Peso helps A LOT!!, I believe the Mexican Peso will devaluate VERY soon...)

P.S.
If you have a good house/income and you are an "ok guy", you will have a young, beautiful mexican girl in your bed very soon, you don't have to do anything, she will find you,



Cupido Morboso

Mill Just
09-24-02, 07:08
Cupido.....

WELCOME BACK....However, I beg to differ about a couple of the things that you said.

Most Americans think in a "go by the book" way of thinking. The fact of the matter is that Mexico is a wide-open country with very flexible laws. On paper, living in Mexico is a bit of an ordeal. We, as Americans, are used to living by the laws because the system usually works, it's usually fair and just. Mexico (unfortunately for the citizens) is not like that. I moved here with just a little over 8 thousand dollars- no bank account in the USA and no work lined up for myself. I've been here now for more than 2.5 years and I've yet to encounter a problem with my less-than legal status. I even travel back to the USA every so often without a valid visa. The authorities just don't care if I'm here unless I become a political activist or a criminal. And even if they did swoop down on me, the worst they could do is send me back to the USA. I've had steady employment and income since I've been here and, despite the fact that I "can't work", several institutes have offered me jobs. (When I tell them that I'm not legally allowed to work, they laugh out loud and tell me "no hay problema con eso". Hell, they even offer to pay for my false documents).

As for rents....The rent is a lot cheaper than in the States for comparable housing. I can rent a big place in a good location for less than 2 thousand pesos. If you work as a "profesionista", rent is the least of your concerns. And, in the long run, I prefer not to own because of a few whacky property laws that I'm not interested in dealing with.

Medical coverage has yet to be a concern for me. If I needed a serious operation or intensive medical care, I would be on the first plane to the USA, so a medical plan is a moot point. For the little illnesses, they sell penacilin and anti-biotics over the counter, just invest 2 hundred pesos and take some medicine whenever you feel an itch in your throat.

Mojado...I'll send a more detailed message to you via e-mail , answering your questions, tomorrow or ASAP.

Cupido....So how're things going with your lady friend? Hope you are happy and running her ragged...:)

Prokofiev
09-24-02, 16:55
Miller,
I imagine that the reason you would "be on the 1st plane back to the USA" for medical care is that you don't trust the Mexican hospitals for an operation or major medical, correct? But without either Mexican or US medical insurance - or a fat bank account - how would you pay for medical care in the US? Certainly it's a lot cheaper in Mexico and probably only a little more dangerous, or am I wrong? Have you never been to a Mexican doctor or dentist? And how long can someone do that? The idea of some type of insurance -with a high deductible to cover just the big stuff - seems reasonable to me. And the older you get, the more it matters and the more it bothers you.

-P

Mill Just
09-25-02, 06:49
Proko...

The difference in our outlooks probably all boils down to demographics and the reasons that we decide to move down South in the first place. The whole idea of excessive planning and budgeting and worrying about tomorrow is one of the reasons that I left the USA in the first place. I was a slave to maintaining my lifestyle, even if I wasn't fully aware of that urge. Medical coverage and such, to me, would be like taking a generator, a fully-stocked fridge, and a microwave on a camping trip. Of course, if you move to Mexico as a form of retirement and you want to continue with your lifestyle, only in a more relaxed atmosphere....then that's great. Plan away, but I'll warn you that the best plans in Mexico fall apart fairly quickly. So, to each his own.

Personally, I wouldn't trust any Mexican HMO or medical plan. I've seen too many shading dealing with supposed contracts and insurance deals. The one good thing about the USA is that legal contracts are almost always binding. In Mexico, it's an iffy proposition at best. Believe me, one way or the other, insurance or not, you WILL pay. As for the medical treatment in Mexico--- I love Mexico in just about every way, but I would rather do my own operation than go to a doctor here. They ALWAYS want to operate, like they just got their surgical tools and they're itching to try them out. Maybe it's just the doctors that I've experienced, but I would try my luck with a State or Teaching Hospital in the USA any day. I can run down a whole list of horror stories about Mexican doctors ranging from un-sterilized surgical tools to major surgeries for minor ailments to radiation treatments to "cure" various ailments. Of course, as always...YMMV

So, there are various ways to make the move down South and no one is better than the other. It's just odd to me why people would be so obsessive about order and assurances in a land that's so beautiful and carefree. I mean, that's the reason I'm here anyway....but variety is the spice of life, right?

Take care all

El Mojado
09-29-02, 08:17
Hola Everyone!

I've been busy and was waiting for a reply from Miller2K...

And Miller2K, apologies for the LONG email. I'll send only short ones now :) I do overplan my trips to Mexico, though on each I've gotten a ton of things done without mishap except for once.

And thank you Cupido!! Yes, I definitely will be moving to Mexico in 1 year, probably August or September 2003. I've found houses for sale in Uruapan and Morelia (Uruapan price was $15,000 pesos and Morelia was 18,000 pesos) but I didn't recognize the colonia mentioned in Uruapan and the one in Morelia was not mentioned either. Both cities have mostly decent areas but the bad areas are EXTREME. Given my lack of a perfect Mexican accent and my very light looks I need at least a "questionable" colonia versus a dangerous one.

On rents, I've now found a rent price of $1,500 pesos per month in Zamora for a 2 bedroom apartment with some decent qualities that totally make this somewhat high price worth it... (such as it's just across the street from a NURSING COLLEGE!!! OOoohhh HELLO NURSE!!!) ;) I have a friend in Zamora who's really trying to help me out, thank God for little favors ;) So... I'll have to see about that one later on.

And I again agree with you Miller2k --- best laid plans can get totally destroyed in Mexico. However I don't necessarily agree with you on Mexican medicine. I've met some great doctors in Uruapan. They are friends of my parents and family - going back over 35 years. Their children grew up and studied medicine. One is an opthalmologist who is excellent beyond words. A fine doctor, eye surgeon and laser surgeon.

The other is the middle son who is a G.I. doctor (Gastro-intestinal) and he treated me every time I got sick down there and he delivered his sister's babies and has done work for free for the poor and works out of a private hospital. I've been in that hospital many times (not because I was sick, mostly because at that time I was selling laptops to all the doctors there... that was cool in those days). The place is spotless, the instruments are sanitized and super heated to kill the bugs and none of the doctors there are slouches. The all work really hard. It may just be that one hospital that is like this, but I would put my health in their hands.

This hospital is in Uruapan and it is called Fray Juan de San Miguel I believe. I'll always get good care there, so ideally I want to live within 4 hours bus ride of Uruapan. I think they would not charge me outrageous prices as well because I have always given them excellent prices on the things I've sold (My goal was only to cover my airplane and some hotel costs on those trips) and I always provided ongoing "tech support" when I came down. In return I got "free" medical care when I was there. I just had to pay for the medications and they refused to let me pay for the consultation / diagnosis.

Anyway... I do need to work on not planning this move to death. But I can't just put all my money in my belt and drive over to Mexico. I'm not as brave as you were Miller2k!!!

I'm going to have a U.S. bank account. I already have a Mexican bank account and Mexican passport and dual nationality. Worst thing that can happen is that the move fails after a year or two and I come back to the U.S. to work. Nothing different than what I am doing now. And the $40 K I intend on having when I move down there would buy me what in the area I live in? (SF Bay area) A great down payment on a Lexus or a nice Kia and some vacations to Mexico? The median house out here costs over $350,000 USD ... 40K in this job market doesn't mean much. (versus the other 4 letter word I wanted to use).

The way I see it I have 1 year to plan this out. I've got the truck for the move, I will be legalizing it when I cross the border and they'll give me Mexican license plates for the drive through Mexico and Cupido yes, I am sure hoping a Mexicanita finds me when I am down there and makes my life Much more pleasant. It's the time waiting for this to happen that is so tough. But yes, I am pretty darned sure that a Mexicana of worth will find me worthwhile. They've said I'm "guapo" and "de buena onda" many times (friends and the SW's alike). I just need to be careful of the ones who think that life is better in the U.S.

O.K. so much for a short post... but hey, this is better than the one below ;)

Thanks everyone for your comments here. It sure does help.

El Mojado

Prokofiev
09-29-02, 18:44
Mojado,

You have a Mexican passport and dual nationality. Were you born in Mexico? How does one get dual nationality -become a Mexican citizen? Is it worth it - what are the advantages? If I married a Mexicana would I automatically be a Mexican national?
Just wondering. Miller and Cupido probably can answer this as well .

Alien Autopsy
09-29-02, 18:57
Originally posted by Prokofiev
Mojado,

Is it worth it - what are the advantages? If I married a Mexicana would I automatically be a Mexican national?


The biggest advantage of being a Mexican national is that you can own property in Mexico. The Americans that have property in Mexico are constantly threatened with re-possesion by the government through the power of iminent domain.

Explorer8939
09-30-02, 02:58
Are there any girls in Morelia?

Mill Just
09-30-02, 06:14
Hi all...Alien is completely correct about the property ownership issue. An attorney friend here told me that non-Mexican property owners are constantly being hit up for "taxes" that can range from yearly to monthly and in varying amounts, depending on the particular official...That's why I don't even think about buying land here until I get married.

Proko...when I ask the immigration people here about the easiest way to become a legal resident, they always advise me to marry a Mexicana or have a baby with a Mexicana. This sort of cuts through a little of the beaurocracy. There will be MANY women willing to marry an American purely from a business standpoint where you can both fix your respective papers. I've received about 12 offers since I've been here. Personally,though, I've given up trying to fix my papers. It's pointless since it's never been an issue and I usually only end up paying thousands of pesos for a long day and nothing accomplished. According to the Mexican constitution, any person who is a direct descendent of a Mexican national is also a Mexican citizen. So, unless mom or dad are Mexican nationals, you'll have to deal with the same run-around with regard to your papers.

By the way, another lawyer friend in the USA advised me NOT to become a Mexican citizen because the pledge to be a citizen makes you renounce all previous ties or allegiances to other countries and, from a pure legal aspect, the US gov't acknowledges taking an oath of allegiance to another country as a renouncement of your US citizenship. Currently, the US gov't doesn't enforce any such policy and they might never do so, but this isn't something that's protected by the constitution, it's totally a decision of Congress...and as such, it can be changed at any time...

Mojado...don't worry about the length of your e-mails...I didn't get a chance to write because I've been tied up with professional and personal issues...I'll drop you a line after I finish here...

Explorer...my sentiments exactly. We need a few more reports here. I've taken a break from my hobby lately, but I'll be posting a real report very soon...

Take care all...

Cupido Morboso
10-01-02, 08:12
Prokofiev/Miller:
You don't have to pay ANY mexican tax (Property, IVA, Tenencia, etc.)....ever, you are not Mexicans, Mexican taxes are for mexican nationals ONLY,
Mexicans don't have to pay ANY Tax outside Mexico, There are ways to legally avoid paying taxes outside your home country,
(ex. Most countries refund the sale tax paid during your visit)

It's perfectly legal to have 2 or 3 passports or as many as you want,

Miller: There is no problem owning property in Mexico,


Regards

CM

Cupido Morboso
10-01-02, 08:48
Prokofiev/Miller:

I agree with Mojado, You can get World Class doctors and medical care in Mexico, if you know where to look... that's why it's expensive,
(ex. my beautiful young dentist studied in Mexico and Germany, married a German dentist, they practice in Morelia using the best of the World/German Technology),
(lots of German expatriates in Morelia and Michoacan)

The World's best/biggest Insurance Companies have a Mexico Office: ING, New York Life, Travelers, etc., You can safely buy insurance in Mexico, if you have a problem cashing a check, call the NY or London Office, they will help you...I mean, You can buy an International Medical Plan (Insurance) in Mexico and use it abroad, at ANY hospital/Country,

Regards

CM

Gpiper
10-03-02, 04:22
Guys: what happened to all the great sex forum discussions you used to have?! It seems to have vanished. After reading the past 10 posts i now consider myself an expert on Mexican property rights, sales tax, medical insurance and citizenship laws!

Mill Just
10-03-02, 06:46
Hello...

Cupido, I agree that it is possible to find world class health care in Mexico, but I've heard nothing but bad things from the people around me. Maybe the key is sticking to the metropolitan areas for health care.

However, I beg to differ about the "tax" issue. Property taxes are to be paid for property...regardless of whether you are a citizen, resident, or illegal immigrant. They charge the taxes for the land ownership, it's not about the person who happens to own the land.

Here's a true horror story to illustrate my point: An older American friend of mine bought some land in Zitacuaro (about 2 hours east of Morelia) and, over the course of 4 years, he built a very nice house. He came to Mexico about 2 or 3 times a year for vacation, but he had the intention to eventually move here when he felt that he was in a good enough financial situation to retire. Well, about 4 years after he bought the land, he got a frantic phone call from a neighbor that he was paying to take care of the house. The government pulled up and seized the property, furniture and all. They broke through the lock and dead-bolted the door so nobody could enter. Eventually, the house was auctioned off. The official reason for seizing the property was: Failure to pay property tax. He flew down ASAP to try to fight this, but it was too late. He tried to explain that the person he bought the land from never told him about any taxes, but ignorance isn't a defense (especially when the city can benefit from a Gringo's mis-calculations). So, he learned the hard way that regulations DO exist, it's just that they're very "flexibly" enforced.

Sure, anybody can hand over cash in exchange for land or houses, but make sure to dot all your "i's: and cross all your "t's". The previous land-owner only cares about making the sale. The truth is that you can probably live your whole life without ever getting into tax trouble, most authorities just don't care (especially in the smaller towns) and the people don't care (they try to distance themselves from the gov't at all costs), but if it does catch up to you, it'll be a complete nightmare. These things might change from state to state or city to city (or most likely: case by case) so just make sure everything is on the up and up.

With regards to IVA....I pay IVA constantly whenever I pay my satellite TV bill, order a PPV event, make a financial transaction, etc. There are probably ways around it, but the effort required isn't worth it. I just pay the few pesos.

It's prohibited for a foreigner to own property on the border or on either coast. And if you want to own land within the republic, you need a permit from the Mexican Consulate (about 3,000 pesos, renewable yearly). I received this info from the Dept. de Migracion and an immigration attorney. Of course, you can go ahead and just hand over money to a land owner and "buy" their property and you might never have a problem...but what about when/if the Mexican gov't decides to catch on?

The right to double nationality is not a protected freedom as a US citizen. Therefore, things can change. Probably not, but who knows about the future?

Gpiper...I agree, but these things are also important because if you can't get your act together then you can't chase the señoritas. :) Maybe there should be a seperate section about becoming an ex-patriate. However, I will post very soon with an all "entertainment" post.

So long.....From:

THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE

Cupido Morboso
10-03-02, 07:21
www.andreamorelia.com

Any reports/info about the girls in Andrea Morelia?

Regards

CM

Mill Just
10-07-02, 06:02
Hello All....

I took a few moments and stopped in Morelia for a couple of hours on Friday...so I decided to have a little stress relieved.

I decided to pay a visit to the ASAPH massage parlor. As Proko wrote before, this place is more like a residence than a "parlor". It is located in a residential neighborhood in the colonia: Nuevo Chapultapec. I would give you the exact address, but I think that it's a good idea to call ahead and make a reservation. The girl was pushing the idea of making an appointment when I called. And when I got there, she made sure that I did indeed have an appointment. By the way, be careful about some of the street addresses here because many times there is a house with the same address, only with the letter "A" added. For example, there could be a #12 and a #12-A on the same street. This is the case with ASAPH's. I almost made a grave mistake by ringing the doorbell on the wrong house (even though ASAPH has a sign out front)

When I finally got to ASAPH's, an attractive, but young, brunette answered the door in a t-shirt and jeans and led me to an upstairs massage room. She was still school-age because she was working on some homework when I arrived.

The massage room was typical, with a table, mood music, and various scented oils and candles. The girl (I never got her name) left while I disrobed and she later came back in tight pants and a belly shirt. No money was asked for up front (although I paid the 250 pesos for the massage anyway), she just started her massage. It was a pretty good massage and she seemed to know what she was doing. Her ability as a masseuse, combined with the residential, low-key setting and the "No Sexo" statement in their "La Voz" ad, made me think that this was just a straight massage. I was pretty disappointed with that thought, because the girl was just my type. She had the best chest that I've seen in a long time and her school-girl demeanor was making me very "ready".

When the massage was over, she said "listo" and I remained on the table for a while. Then she added that she could also provide other "services" like aroma therapy, a scalp massage, "alivio manual"....."Manual Relief? JACKPOT!!!"

I asked her how much for this additional service and she said 300 pesos. I was feeling my wallet a little full so I asked her if she would take her top off also and she said that that would be an extra 100, but I convinced her to take off her top for nothing extra.

I removed the underwear and hopped back on the table. Then she gave me an excellent HJ with a lubricant while I played with her tits. The mood music and the overall atmosphere made the experience very nice and I didn't feel cheated by "only" having a HJ. I might've been able to talk her into more, but I didn't even try. What made the experience great was her attitude. She acted genuinely embarrassed when she mentioned the "Manual Relief". She would say things like, "me da pena" when she told me about the other services and she actually blushed and turned away shyly a little when I asked the price. This was all probably an act, but I don't care....Bravo!! for the great performance...

After I finished, she said good-bye and I took a shower. I didn't see her again because when I went back downstairs, nobody was around. Then I left and hopped a cab back to downtown. All in all it was a very good experience. I prefer a BJ or FS, but an occasional HJ under the right circumstances is good also.

So, in closing, you can find ASAPH's telephone number in the classified section of "La Voz de Michoacan" newspaper. Call ahead and make an appointment. The massage is 250 pesos and the HJ was an additional 300.

Be safe and have fun.......

Prokofiev
10-08-02, 07:01
Miller,
I remember that house like it was yesterday. And it was probably the same room, although definitely a different woman.

The house seems so ... suburban ... Didn't feel like Mexico.

Keep the Faith, - P

Mill Just
10-22-02, 06:24
Hello all...

I tried the "Touch me" escort agency this weekend. The process is exactly the same as with "Elegance". After a very short wait (maybe 15 minutes), "Yadira" arrived at my hotel room.

She was a young (20), reasonably attractive girl with, seemingly, a lot of passion. She had the typical rounded features of a Mexican woman. She wasn't fat, but she had meat in all the right places. Maybe some people, who are in love with the stereotypical, anorexic, runway model-type might consider her overweight, but in my opinion there's nothing like a woman who is soft like a real woman, not hard like a man with tits.

Anyway, she was very open to all suggestions and I had a great time for the two hours that the agency provided. She gave me a covered BJ while a fingered her and then she got on top and she played cowgirl. I usually like changing positions during sex, but she felt so good that I let her ride away into the sunset. Afterwards, we showered and had a great conversation about Mexico and her family. She was a nice girl and very sweet. I wouldn't think twice about bringing her home to mom. Also, she said that she was new to the business (5 weeks). I don't know about you guys, but that's a turn-on for me.

To summarize: The "Touch Me" agency charges 750 pesos for a 2-hour session. Their phone number can be found in "La Voz de Michoacan" newspaper or at their website: www.touchmemorelia.com. I recommend Yadira and I plan on requesting a friend of hers next time (Her name is Liz and she was described as tall, dark-skinned, and very fun---just my type. Hell, there are very few women that aren't my type!)

There is little new to report about the SW's, but I'll talk about that in my next post.

Mill Just
10-22-02, 07:24
Hello again...

I just thought that I'd take the time to re-submit some material about my beloved Morelia for those who either can't access the archives or don't want to go through all the hassle of looking over 2 years of posts. I'll limit this post to those things that I have first hand knowledge of. For other info, search Prokofiev's and Cupido Morboso's other posts.

Street Walkers:

There are two main areas to hit when looking for SW action.

The primary spot is on the street (behind the old bus terminal) "Heroes de Nocupetaro," about a long block east of the terminal. After 7 or 8, girls stand on the street, in front of a cheap hotel. Sometimes you'll see some earlier, but the action doesn't really start until after dark. The girls usually range from strung-out junkies to hardened young hookers. The selection is pretty good and you will occasionally find a real gem in the bunch. Whenever I go I usually find at least one or two that are hot enough. During the prime time, more or less 7-10 girls will be there to pick from. Police pass by often, but they don't hassle anyone and they're probably just there to get some free action from the girls. The price is 200 pesos for the girl and 50 for the room. You have to do your business in the hotel that they stand in front of. (I've yet to convince one to go to my room). Also, be aware that the 200 pesos is usually for the very basic service (i.e "I'll hike up my skirt and you do me as fast as possible. If you want me to change positions or get completely naked, it'll cost you extra"). Also, oral sex is an extreme rarity. Most of the SWs won't do it even for extra money. After midnight, this area becomes a haven for transvestite SWs, so be careful (unless, of course, that's your thing).

The other area for SWs is on the street "Santiago Tapia", between "El Conservatorio de Las Rosas" and the street "Guadalupe Victoria". (This area is maybe 3 blocks from the area that I previously mentioned. Both places are downtown). This is more or less a place for the older, cheaper SWs. Starting at 1 in the afternoon, they'll be standing on the corners. Like I said, these are the older, more worn-out SWs and they're more likely to go back to your hotel with you. I haven't used them so I can't vouch for the quality of the service. Be aware that there is a lot of foot traffic on that street and many young women dress very provocatively, so just make eye contact with the woman you want and she'll ask you if you want to go to "el cuarto". Also, you can sit in the "Conservatorio" and they will often approach you. Usually, though, it's easy to spot the pro's from the non pro's.

A recent new place is right in front of the old bus terminal, after 1 AM. I've seen pockets of SWs hanging out there ,I assume, after the transies take over the place behind the Terminal.

Escort Services:

I strongly recommend these. The service is usually great and they put the GF in the GFE. I've only used two services here: Elegance (www.elegancemorelia.com) and Touch Me (www.touchmemorelia.com). I strongly recommend both services. I've never been let down (however, I've only used Touch Me once). There are many other services in "La Voz de Michoacan". The prices usually range from 700-800 pesos for one or two hours.

Strib Clubs :

The three best clubs in town are Exesso, Manhattan and Junior's. They are on the same street (Sorry, I can't recall the name of the street). If you strike out at these places, there are many other smaller clubs on the same street. On average a private dance will cost you 120 pesos and for about 500 pesos you can get an extra-private dance in an upstairs room. Full service can run you between 800 and 1200 pesos depending on the girl, the night and your negotiating skills. I once received full service for 500 pesos and another time I was quoted 1000. Many girls won't go to your hotel room, so ask in advance. Also, some of the girls only dance and nothing else, so make friends with the waiter-guy so he can direct you to the ones that provide other services. Once you choose a girl, you're expected to buy her a few drinks before you "close the deal". The drinks aren't as expensive as in other Mexican clubs, but I recommend buying a bottle for a couple hundred pesos just to avoid the hassle of buying drink after drink.

In closing, Morelia is a great place for Americans to go. It's a big city, but it still has a small-town charm. You won't be gouged or hussled and an American will often receive special treatment in certain situations. The "working girls", for the most part, are very interesting, sweet people (especially in the escort services). I've established some friendships with them and they don't seem jaded or suffering from emotional traumas like other girls in the same profession. They seem like normal women doing their job...and liking it. I don't want to sound like a tourism rep. for the city, but this is my favorite place in Mexico by far. The women in Morelia beat all others.

Well, this was kinda long, but there was a lot to say...until next time:

THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE says: "Stay safe and Happy Hunting!!!"

El Mojado
10-30-02, 08:37
hello miller2k!!!

hey, thank you for the great posts on morelia yet again!!!

for some reason, i haven't been able to get into the archive files. i haven't tried tonight, but last week and the weeks prior haven't worked. so, this recent post of yours along with the second below have been great. i'm printing them out and logging them for when i'm in morelia again ;)

i'm still mixed as to which city to choose... morelia has what you have described plus the large female college student population and night clubs. guadalajara has more "flexibility" with the $350 peso massage parlor action that you and proko have described. and uruapan (the city i am most familiar with) has several locations of strip clubs and a very "bargain basement" area that also serves beer at the latest hours where you can hook up with a lady for about $300 pesos and take her to your place for the night or a few hours for that price. but we're talking scraping the bottom of the barrel as well as all the ladies coming from the above strip clubs who did not get enough money or action that night...

so... i think i'll just have to sample them all -- uruapan first for a few months, then guadalajara perhaps for a few and probably morelia in the end and then make the choice :)

uruapan is a good city, though it has grown a lot recently. you need good spanish skills to negotiate with the ladies there. i still hope to post more info on uruapan. i am planning a short trip to mexico in march perhaps and i will probably sample some senoritas in uruapan and at that point i can post some truly current information. the ruling party (pan) has been a bit stern against prostitutes because they are the most religiously afiliated. however, for at least 2 mayoral terms (6 years) since they came to power, the campanita (name for the cheap $300 peso hookup open late, late, late at night and a genuine cantina with dirt floor and outhouse-like bathrooms) was located about 2 city blocks from the presidencia (city government buildings). that may have reflected the pri's preferences, however ;)

but striking out at all other places or if you're super low on pesos and willing to risk your health (wear a condom, please!) the campanita is the place to go. all-local, and you really need to know your spanish. taxis go there and plenty of taxis are there, but the action starts very late -- about 1:30am and onward. do not try to engage the resident sw, she will play with you, but she's dating the main bouncer. i wasted some $$ on drinks for her while i was waiting for the action to start and she flitted away often to hang with her boyfriend. you do not want to boink the main bouncer's girlfriend, not a good idea.

also, we're nearing the time of year that it is not good to go to uruapan. a lot of locals return from the u.s. in their regular migratory pattern for xmas in early to mid november. they come back fat with dollars and ready to score since u.s. women are not that interested in mexican migrant workers. rest assured these ladies are... so the competition is steep and ladies get swept up and away. face it, your dollars are just as green as the other guy's and they speak better spanish than you generally. for that reason i cannot recommend pursuing the hobby in uruapan in the mid to late november month, december and january months. i tried the late november thing last year and it was atrocious at the campanita. i ended up leaving because there were too many guys! (though there were girls a plenty, it was hard to tell who was being "sighted" by other guys and you definitely do not want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off in this place). i should have gotten my gal early on and maybe paid more than the standard $300 to get her to stay with me the night. but i did find a very nice gal the next day at one of the strip joints just as it closed and got her for $700 pesos for about 2 hours at my hotel room. the name of the strip club was, appropriately named, "tabledance". ask any taxi driver at night about this and other like clubs and they will take you to one.

well, that's my mini-report. be aware that some women will attempt to have sex with you without a condom. don't do it, no matter how tempted you are. i did have one give me an uncovered bj back about 3 years ago in uruapan, but i had been going to her a few times and i was o.k. with her doing that. however, i have to mention this because it is really important. (and since that time i've tested negative for everything thank god!)

because of the migrant farmwork and "bracero work" that the mexican men from certain areas of mexico do and how they see sex workers in the u.s. and catch diseases here in the u.s. from whatever source, they're taking those diseases back to mexico with them and they tend to infect their spouses at home and the prostitutes they go "blow their wads" around xmas time with. so, please... wrap your present up with latex so you don't get a surprise yourself that you won't like.

i hope the info on this post was helpful. let me know if you have more specific questions about uruapan and i can post replies in the appropriate section. the 24 y/o womanl i met last year there is no longer working at the "tabledance" and has written me a few times and says she is no longer working as a sw and has moved back in with her parents with her two children. she's a sweetie though and i really do enjoy writing to her and hearing from her. one of my main goals on a future trip to uruapan will be to get her to use the internet :) she's definitely a gem of a friend that i want to keep as a friend (maybe even with "benefits" ;) :)

hasta pronto!

10 months and counting to my hopeful move to mexico!

el mojado

Nibu Raphael
10-31-02, 18:13
Are there streetwalkers in Urapan? What about massage services? What about escorts? How cheap are the hotels in Urupan? What about amatuer Action in Urapan? What other good cities are nearby for sex action near Urapan or Morelia? Any other cities besides Zamora or Colima? I am sure there is. Mexico is like 95 million people. What action is now in the state of Mexico,Chiapas and Oaxaca? What about border brothels near Guatemala like Chetumal? In Chiapas sex action is in Tuxtla Guttierrez Streetwlkers exist there but mostly TVS. I am not sure about San Cristobal La Casas???????????????????????????

El Mojado
11-02-02, 10:26
Wow Nibu! I do like your enthusiasm, but I don't think I'm qualified to answer all of your questions...

But to tell you about what I have seen in Uruapan...


There are no escort services that I know of. The "Newspaper" in Uruapan is a sorry excuse of a single page, double sided folded low quality document that they circulate once a week. I believe that twice a month it actually contains a few sheets... but the print quality is so bad that the ink comes off on your hands. :/ Morelia is much better for this area and Miller2K is the resident expert (sexpert ;) on this. I'd go with his recommendation for escort services.

However, Uruapan does have the sexy and sultry strip joints and the CHEAP Campanita sex joint. That's just a hook up shop for lower end ladies who range in quality from street style SW's to SW's who struck out due to bad turnout at the higher class clubs. But those ladies will ask for more pesos per hour of knocking boots...

Now... as far as "street action", the only thing I saw on a late night after 1AM while walking fromone of my favorite watering holes for booze and internet access (Cafe Sol y Luna -- about 2 blocks from the downtown plaza on a cold, windy street one block away from the second most expensive hotel, (Hotel Plaza). Sol y Luna is very open minded and the sons of the owner have offered to show me the hookers of the area on more than one occasion and I am going to take them up next time :)

But... you can find seedy hotels on the opposite end of the plaza at Hotel Osuega (oswega?). They rent by the hour and I think you can get hookers if you ask at the front desk for "mujeres de cita", though it will probably depend on the receptionist and time of day. Don't ask if it's a woman at the desk... just my gut feeling.

Anyway, a lot of the senoritas I have met and seen at the stripper clubs and other areas come from Apatzingan and from San Juan Nuevo. Many did not complete high school, though some have (including the sweet young lady I hooked up with last year who got out of the SW scene -- She actually has a degree in carpentry and is a damned fine carpenter, but the unfortunate situation in Mexico is that they don't believe women can do trades that men have traditionally done... Sad loss... she's an exquisite wood worker and I hope to have her do some work for me when I live in Mexico, regardless of whether or not we ever "hook up" again. We're still friends thank goodness --- and that's been the best aspect about ever "hooking up" together by far for me!

But again, ask the taxi drivers in Uruapan. San Juan Nuevo is riskier... but I think something goes on there. It's more a of a little town, and they always have a brothel somewhere. It is very religious, but the religious icon (the priest who has been there for over 50 years) retired and a new priest is in there and the people hate his guts. So, chances are that the prostitute scene has increased there. They are still PRI last I heard.

I'd recommend that you go to Euforias on Thursday nights (the night of Barra Libre, or "open bar" where you pay $15 USD for unlimited well drinks and most beers and women are allowed free until 10PM and it is open until about 1 or 2 am. Very nice place to meet ladies, but be nice and courteous. And above all, enjoy the music and scenery. It's owned by an "Ex-Narco", so the bar was funded with drug money, but turns a great profit. The nearby bar called "la scala" is also owned by this ex-narco and it's more of a sombrero place.

A tip... The prostitutes of the town tend to congregate at La Scala on Sunday, their day off, to dance, enjoy and sometimes get tricks. You can get discount prices here depending on your parlaying skills and respect to the ladies. Not a bad place to score and it's relatively safe. Plus, the set up is nice to be able to see the dance floor from almost any "perch" you sit at in this strange "Pyramid" layout bar. Most music is Ranchera style, not Mexican Rock and Roll. Euforias is Mexican Rock and Roll with good looking young Mexicanas and Mexicanos dancing up a storm on the crowded dance floor.

But Morelia is the capital and it's less than 2 hours away. Uruapan has its charms and go to la Jungla if you want to see the best of the best (and most expensive). But go to the Parque Nacional. You'll regret it greatly if you do not. It's a beautiful rainforest in the middle of an urban city of 400,000+ people! Plus the lacquer painted woodwork they make there is the best of all of Michoacan.. it's what Uruapenses do best! Worth a day. Afterwards, go to the restaurant "Bambinos" in the center plaza across the street from the Farmacia Guadalajara. They sell the best tortas and Pizzas I've had in Uruapan. The owners are very nice as well. You'll often find European and American tourists in there and you may occasionally score with a Euro or American woman...!!! I could have had one before, but I was with a Mexicana at the time :) There's no comparison between the two... I'd rather be with a Mexican SW than an American woman ANY DAY!!! I don't care how educated or culturally aware the American woman was...

O.K. hope this has helped. Talk to the Taxi Drivers, the sons of the owner of the Cafe Sol y Luna, and the bartenders at the clubs Euforias, La Scala, and the third dance club Extremo to get your info and tip them about $5 USD (50 pesos) for the info to be safe. Tell them you think U.S. women stink! They'll understand right away. They've heard many such stories from returning Mexican migrant workers who tell of many U.S. women with "inhibitions" or aversions to real men who are honest about their feelings and needs in a relationship for sex.

El Mojado

Tomcat2
11-21-02, 03:26
El Mojado, man I need your advice. I'm going to Morelia next month, and i just want some fun, no girlfriends, just hookers, but I don't want to become some over-pay-american-sucker. Is $50USD enough for an hour sex and $150 for whole night? Can I trust taxi driver or hotel doorman ? Who can give me good information about chicks? How much hotel will cost me, $70/day? Thanks man.

Nibu Raphael
11-21-02, 06:44
Wow El Mojado Great report if you can ever find out about San Juan Nuevo PLEASE Tell us. Who knows when I will get back to Mexico the world is huge now I am in Nazca Peru Check out the Peru other areas post for info on the sex scene in Nazca. Yeh Morelia I been to like 3 times when I roadied for this Famous Heavy Metal band from DF Transmetal. I did not ever see street*****s in Morelia. I did see a POrno cinema like 3 blocks from the Bus station. I never did enter though. I am sure couples also go in there and so do dudes probably with street*****s besides the Homos that go there and other assorted Sex Perverts. Nearby that theatere were killer Restaraunts and food stalls. The Food places on that st. rule. Yeh food in Morelia Rules. The Us Band I was with in Morelia Burnt Offering two of the dudes scored on two hot groupies. Actually I am not sure if they fucked them but the two girls were in love with the two dudes from Chicago. I do also remember getting caught by a Cop pissing oustside of Transmetals bus but he just warned me. Shit In Mexico they are more strict on pissing on the streets. I always had to that in DF With no problem whenever I was drunk here in Peru they do not give a fuck. A Bad custom but Fuck When you got to go you got to go. So Yeh El Mojado tell us more on Morelia and Uruapan??? When will you make it to Zamora or Colima???? I got to go Your PAL NIBU R.......

Mill Just
11-21-02, 07:56
supertomcat...

I know you addressed your question to El Mojado, but....You'll have a blast in Morelia. I'll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

You won't be taken advantage of in Morelia. It's not a tourist trap and the people are pretty fair and honest. I've never heard of a bad or dangerous taxi driver in Morelia. As a matter of fact, almost everything that I've learned about our "hobby" in Mexico has come from taxistas. I've taken literally hundreds of taxis in Morelia at all different hours and to all different locations and I've never run across anything other than pleasant, good-natured guys. Morelia does not have a problem with criminal / pirate taxis like in Mexico City and areas closer to the border. The hotel doormen that I've run across have been equally as helpful and I've never had a problem with bringing girls to my room. Also, unlike the touristy areas, bribes and tips are not constantly required to make things run smoothly. Tip the workers out of courtesy, but even if you don't, they'll still be friendly and helpful.

As for the main event: If you go with an escort service, expect to pay between 600-800 pesos (60-80 US dollars) for one or two hours depending on the service. For 50 US dollars, you could get two sessions with a SW. The all-nighter would be something that you'd have to discuss with the girl. I've never inquired about the all-nighter personally.

A decent hotel downtown will run you between 35-50 US dollars. These are not hooker-hotels or hourly-rate motels..these are normal hotels. I always stay at the Hotel Morelia Imperial because it's downtown, near all the action, it's cheap (375 pesos) and there is absolutely no problem with bringing girls to your room. If you stay at the Holiday Inn or any other American chain, you run the risk of nosey desk clerks and stricter rules about bringing people to your room. The Hotel Morelia Imperial is not a luxury spot, but it's clean and the service is excellent.

If you want more info about SWs, the clubs, the escort services or massages just check out some of the previous posts. If you need more info or some specifics, feel free to e-mail me at justice4pm@hotmail.com. I've lived in this area now for over 2 and 1/2 years and I've never been disappointed here.

Nibu...you are so right about the food. I love to party at the clubs near the Cathedral and then head over to the all-night "La Burbuja" about a half block from the old bus terminal. They have the best food and the most wicked atmosphere. If you ever get back, try the Cochinitas Pibil and the Tacos al Pastor. Damn! That's good eating.

Happy Hunting all....Stay safe and save some for me!

Tomcat2
11-21-02, 18:23
miller2k, thanks man. I sent email to your mail box, please check.

Nibu Raphael
11-21-02, 21:11
Yeh Miller the food by the bus terminal rules hell yeh the tacos rule in Morelia. The place I came twice with bands was a few blocks from the bus station in the other direction yeh by the bus station plenty of hotels and they really did not look that bad looking. As far As I can remember Morelia was a colonial city mixed with modern images. I was though always stuck in that area by the bus terminal. People seemed pretty damn friendly in Morelia too. I did not seem to have any problems there at all yeh that street by the bus terminal all those food stalls and restaraunts seemed to close very very late. Yeh Miller tell us more on the strip clubs,massage brothels and SW Scene in Morelia, ThanXXX Again NIBU R.......................

Tomcat2
11-23-02, 02:22
Guys, I will be Morelia Dec 15. From all the old posts, Morelia is pussy heaven. Is Anybody from this forum in this city or around area? Bad news, I don't speak Spanish. I guess this is a big problem, how can I communicate with chicks, body language? Miller2k: I couldn't find hotel Imperial morelia online, so I booked hotel Mansion Acueducto for my first day. BTW, did you get my mail? I will try to mail you again.

Mill Just
12-02-02, 07:18
Hello All...

I was just cruising my beloved Morelia yesterday doing some Christmas shopping, I had a few extra bucks in my pocket, and a few minutes to kill so I decided to pick up a SW and have a quickie...

Unfortunately, there have been some changes in the usually seem-less transaction. Apparently, there was a dispute between the girls and the owner of the hotel where they do their business. So, now, the girls no longer use that hotel. They pretty much stand in the same area(only maybe 20 feet from where they usually stood), but now you have to walk with them for about a block and a half to get to their new hotel. It's not a well-lit area, but you still feel pretty awkward walking past a bunch of people who know what's about to happen. Also, the hotel is a lot smaller and the push to get you out of the room is a lot faster. There was knocking at our door after only about 5 minutes and the next girl was entering with her client as I was still getting dressed. The girl was OK, but I was not pleased with the rush job. Hopefully, the girls and the owner of the hotel can work something out...

Personally, I was never much of a SW user anyway, so this will not affect me too much. Actually, the quality of the girls has improved since I passed by last. The girls were prettier, but that walk and the rush job at the hotel was a little too much to handle.

Until next time...stay safe and happy hunting!!!

Tomcat2
12-07-02, 03:40
Hello guys, where is everyone? Doing Christmas shopping, and no time chasing pussy? I will go hunting at Morelia next week. Hopefully see you guys around. Miller2k, please check email. Stay safe...

Tomcat2
12-17-02, 04:18
Guys, I will give you my first Morelia pussy hunting report now. This afternoon, I called ELEGENCE. After half hour, Wendy showed up. She is hot, about 5.3, D cup, big tits, suck and fuck. I had a great time, blow job, hand job, and she rie me till end, but I feel a little unhappy, because she asked me $50 for cab, and they charged me $850/hr(Not $800 from old posts). Money is not issue, I just feel that I was little ripped off because I only speak English. Anyway, it is great sex, and I will try other Escort Services later, and give my new reports soon. Have fun. BTW, Miller2k, please check your mailbox.

Tomcat2
12-18-02, 00:01
Guys, here I come again. I called trouchme today. Make sure tell them what kind of girl you want, they sent me a little fat girl first, and I have to give her $50 for sending her back. Then they sent me a skinny one, no English, 34 cup, nice ass, cost me $800 total. I just love those girls. From the newspaper La Voz de Michoacan, there are eight Escort Services, I will try one called Sex One today. Exesso, pretty girls, for $140/3Min private dance, this blone stripper let me touch her all over, $40/beer, cost me around $300USD for having lots of fun on my first day. BTW, there is no flight from Morelia to Ixtapa, how can I get to Ixtapa? How long will take to travel by bus? Please help.

Mill Just
12-26-02, 08:18
Merry Christmas all....

I met up with supertomcat at the Hotel Morelia Imperial on Saturday. He had already been in town for about 5 days before that and he was really blazing a path through the escort services by the time I got there. We grabbed a few beers and swapped some stories. Then we went back to the hotel to order up some women. I called "Elegance" and they were so kind that they sent me 4 girls to choose from. It was a little awkward to answer the door for 4 gorgeous women with the people in the room next door watching, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. My friend "super" was quite famous with the girls as they had already been to his room the previous days. I sent him the one girl that he hadn't "had" already and sent the other two girls back...not because they were ugly, but one of the girls was exactly my type (large-chested, dark-skinned, great ass).

The funniest part of the evening was when "super's" girl called my hotel room and asked to speak with my girl (Laura). Apparently, this was his girl's first day on the job and she was asking advice from my girl such as "How do I start?" and "What do I do next?" We both had a good laugh, but it wasn't so funny when she called again...That's when I had to disconnect the phone...

Laura was a great girl. She wasn't a wild woman and she was a bit on the passive side, but she was a real sweetheart and it was a total GFE. Afterwards, we held eachother and I tickled her after she told me how ticklish she was because I wanted to hear her great laugh. This was one of the few times when I really felt a connection with an escort. I'll give her a call soon... (by the way, the prices at Elegance were all the same: 800 per hour plus 50 for the taxi)

Well, after we finished, "super" and I took a walk and I gave him a tour of the SW area behind the bus station, the area by the "Conservatorio de las Rosas" as well as a few other places. The SW action was kinda slow (probably due to the Holiday) so only the grizzled veterans were there. Later we went to a Rock Club, but it was a little slow there as well (also due to the Holiday). Morelia is a University Town and vacation time can be slow, but thankfully not for the "ladies"

I hope SuperTomcat had a great time and I know that I'm not the only one who's looking forward to a more detailed report when he gets back to the USA .

Super........Thanks for the beers and remember to keep in touch! Hope you had a blast in my Morelia. Not knowing Spanish may have made it hard to order in a restaurant, but you managed to get laid everyday...These things have a way of working themselves out...

To everyone else: I hope you had a great X-mas and I wish you all a Happy and Safe New Year!!!!!!!!!

From: THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE

Beavis
12-26-02, 18:42
Hey Miller2K

Good report. One of my regulars in Marabu is from Morelia. 800 pesos an hour with 4 girls delivered to choose from sounds like the deal. That might have to be added to the list of future mongering locations. The great part about Morelia is I can drive there contra getting on an airplane. Sounds like a good road trip 1st night in Monterrey and then Morelia. Thanks for the info.

Explorer8939
12-27-02, 05:37
Please don't be scared off by these reports of girls for 800 pesos an hour, and hundreds of dollars for extended sessions. Morelia really isn't that expensive, some guys just don't know how to monger.

Tomcat2
12-27-02, 21:14
Happy New Year everyone, and for my friend Miller2k,
From sunshine Morelia to snow-white Chicago, it's quite of difference world. When I sit from my computer writing this article, I feel a little sad. I miss that beautiful city, nice weather, delicious food, and above all- attractive Mexican girls. As other hobbyists did, I’m going to give a full of report of my journey.
I arrived Morelia at 1 o’clock at morning. The Morelia airport is so small, it only has two gates. You will never get lost! There is no money exchanging place, and I had to pay cab driver $22USD for taking me to the downtown. Form my last couple of reports, you had a little background information about sex industry in Morelia. I met Miller2k at hotel lobby. He is a awesome fellow, and it is little disappointment because he only stayed there for one night. Hopefully, next time he could show me the whole city.
There are eight escort services listed on newspaper, but girls told me that two of them are same agency: Elegance and Fashion. I tried all of agencies, the prices are range from $800pesoes/hr to $ 900pesoes/3hrs. Remember, you will get what you pay. Elegance charges $800/hr, and Dream charge$900/3hrs which is cheapest. I had Michelle from Elegance. She is about 5’8”, 34 cup, great ass, 125lb, she is 8.5/10. What a beautiful creature! There is one negative part about, she was one of those girls who just lay on the bed and let’s you do everything. She was also shy, when we having sex, she covered her face with her hand. Good news, Jessica still works for Elegance. From the old posts, we all knew she is a attractive girl .I will give her8/10 If you like skinny blonde , get her. If you enjoy quantity, and don’t care too much quality, call Dream. They provide girls for $900/3hrs. Warning, even you told the agency that you need skinny girls. The agency still send to your girls who are 15-25lb overweight. Well, maybe that’s your cup of tea. Touch Me is also a good quality service. I had Marion, and Debby, they are both attractive 7. During my last day in Morelia, I found a gem!!!! It was X-MAS day, I need a big Christmas gift for myself. I call Elegance, Touch Me and other agencies, but neither they told me no girls working nor nobody picked up the phone. After 2 hours calling, I almost gave up. Then I called Touch Me again, they told me that all girls were out, but there was a model who works part time. She charges $1500/1.5hrs. I thought a while, “What a hell”, I said, “ It’s Christmas, I will take it.” After half hour, Damaris showed up in my room. Good God, she is a perfect 10!!!! 5’6”, brown hair, 33 cup, about 110lb, that’s my favor girl. She is also great on bed.(Sorry guys, I don’t like to display my sex life for everybody, so I skipped that part.)
I’m planing my next trip to Morelia, Miller2k, I hope you can plan a 4-5 days break for, so we can have a real “bachelor party”. Maybe you can hook me up with some local girls, or maybe I will try some SWs. Take care.
Supertomcat

Mill Just
12-27-02, 23:34
Glad you had fun, Supertomcat...see ya when you get back...


Explorer...800 pesos an hour for a model-quality escort is a lot for you? Sorry...I don't know what to say. We could probably get cheaper, but the point is to have FUN, not to haggle over prices like a grandma with coupons at the check-out line...

The best part of Morelia is that its a buyer's market. If it's too expensive for me, I just don't go or I settle for a SW. You ALWAYS get what you pay for as "Supertomcat" said. You may talk these girls down a few pesos, but the service WILL suffer. Maybe that's why some people continuously have mediocre or bad experiences with escorts. Women are women and you'd be crazy to think that you'd get an equal experience by paying less. In the "non-pro" world, what would get you laid faster: a meal at a fancy restaurant or a Happy Meal at McDonald's?

Not to sound harsh, but the real point of mongering is to HAVE FUN, right? If you can't / won't pay the price then I don't know what to say...

To each his own, but when I party I like to get laid, not haggle over 5 or 10 bucks....It's pure pleasure for me, baby!

Adios all...

El Mojado
12-31-02, 08:22
Hello Everyone!!! Especiall Miller2K and Proko!!!

Sorry I have been away from the website for a little while... I've been swamped with work and also tied up with the holidays, but I've got some breathing space again :)

Hey,Supertomcat, I'm sorry I wasn't able to field your questions but you got the best person on the site here to help you and be your guide that day :) Miller2K knows the most about Morelia and I happen to agree with him on the Morelianas! :)

I will actually be in Morelia myself around the 20th of January and I'm heading to Uruapan to drop off some gifts to friends of my family and I'll be seeing that sweet chica who I've been corresponding with who used to work at the Tabledance in Uruapan. I have a very good feeling that we'll be spending a little time together and I am thankful I won't need to "cruise" around for company ;) I'm going to definitely try to get some pics of her this time, G to X rated if she's willing. I'm sure the G' rated pics will be fine plus I really want to walk with her in the Parque Nacional (national park) -- that's romantic and I know she'll appreciate it (and we'll both appreciate it later in the sack!)

I'm also heading to Zamora and La Piedad. Zamora has (as I've been told) a very good nursing college. Imagine lots of young female nursing students aged 19 to 24... If that sounds like heaven to you then wish me luck!!! :) I'm just curious to see what's there and what their impression of American men is and possibly for future reference. I'm definitely into the GFE and I wouldn't mind having a GF instead of cruising around for the GFE in different settings... though it works for now :)

I'm curious if anyone has information on La Piedad... I have been to this city a few times but I have always been too busy to check into it. Anyway, I won't have too much time on my hands but I might... I will try to check things out.

O.K. that's all for now, I'm sure I'll have something to report to you when I get back from my trip. Hasta pronto and everyone have a SAFE and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

El Mojado

Nibu Raphael
01-11-03, 19:38
Wow El Mojado How about updated info on Zamora,Uruapan and La Piedad????????'' I know La Piedad is the smallest of all 3. Any updates will be appreciated............

Tomcat2
02-02-03, 07:44
Guys, GOOD NEWS: Airfare from Chicago to Morelia is on sale!!! Cheapest is $353(1 stop) and another is $427(Non-stop) from ORBITZ. I checked Mexicana Website which is $534! Hurry up, I had my. One month from pussy heaven, what a luck man I am!

Tomcat2
02-07-03, 07:10
Could someone tell me how to make an cell phone call from US to Morelia. I try to call my friend several days, but the call never go through. I dial 011-52-44-443-xxx-xxxx, but dosen't work. Thanks.

Tomcat2
02-08-03, 19:14
Thank you Cupido, I will try to call my friend later. I read all your old posts, and you are the one of legend mongers in Morelia. Too bad, it's been long time you didn't post on Morelia section. Are you still in Morelia or you are in some other pussy heavens?
Have fun, and enjoy life.

Tomcat2
03-03-03, 00:46
Hi guys, I will be going to Morelia next week. If any monger want to have fun, please drop me a line.

DiabloMactavish
03-05-03, 04:06
Originally posted by supertomcat001
Could someone tell me how to make an cell phone call from US to Morelia. I try to call my friend several days, but the call never go through. I dial 011-52-44-443-xxx-xxxx, but dosen't work. Thanks.

When you call cell phones out of their area code, you drop the 044 prefix, and treat them like normal telephones.

I don't know the area codes for morelia, but san miguel would be like this (I am sure you can extrapolate):

cell in san miguel de allende:

044 415 100 1234

from the US

011 52 415 100 1234
________

hope that helps.

Mill Just
03-17-03, 07:37
Howdy All.....

Just came back from my beloved Morelia once again and I thought I'd make a report based on my experiences (good and bad).

I was planning on spending about a week there and go hunting with "supertomcat", but I had a family emergency and I was only able to salvage a 3 day weekend.

When I got to Morelia on Friday afternoon, "supertomcat" had already blazed a trail through most of the services and a few of the local places. I'll leave the details for him to explain. Needless to say, he was quite happy and very, very satisfied. I think the Morelia "bug" has bit him...

As for me... I made some purchases for my business and then returned to my room to make a call to "Elegance". The routine was the same and in less than a half an hour, "Crystal" arrived at my door. She was a bit cold at first and she tried the old "it costs 1000 an hour" scam, but she gave in for the usual 800 after I made a point of putting my money back into my pants pocket. Once that silliness was out of the way, she was very good and well-worth the price. Physically, she was about 5' 6'' with shoulder-length dark brown hair, she was lean, but not skinny, decent sized chest, dark skin, and a very pretty face. She stayed for more than the hour because I later found out that she was a journalism student at the University (After I told her my name, she recognized me from something I wrote for a local publication and she wanted to interview me for a class project .) All in all it was a nice experience (as usual when it comes to "Elegance" girls.)

On the other hand.......I can not say this strongly enough: STAY FAR AWAY FROM THE "SEXIS" ESCORT SERVICE.

I was flipping through the newspaper (La Voz) on Saturday and I came across the "Sexis" ad. They were having a promotion (1 hour for 500 pesos). And based upon the lower price and previous positive posts about their service, I decided to give them a try. What a mistake. It started out well enough. The lady on the phone was very specific when she asked what I wanted. (she went as far as to ask if I had a preference for eye color). So, I described what I wanted that night (a blonde, light-skinned, tall young woman with a nice chest) and I waited. What arrived at my door was 2 short, obese, very ugly women. For the first time since coming to Morelia I sent both girls away and called up the service again to ask for them to send others. Of course, both of the girls asked for 50 pesos for cab fare, so I was already 100 pesos down. About a half hour later, another 2 girls arrived. And once again they were not even close to what I wanted. At that point I was sick of the hassle and I just kept the one that was the least repulsive. (Now I was down 150 pesos and 1 hour of my time had been wasted).

But wait...there's more! So, I settled in with "Daniela" and tried to make the best of a bad situation. But things just got worse...she was so frigid that I had to practically beg her to take her clothes off. Everything was a chore. I even had to practically pry her legs apart so I could take down her panties. She wouldn't accomodate me in anything. I had to put the condom on myself...I had to disrobe her...I had to convince her to get on the bed...and when things weren't comfortable during the act she closed her legs and sat up. I haven't had so much trouble getting laid since high school. Eventually, I got frustrated, ripped the condom off and told her to just give me a hand job. She even goofed that up by squeezing too tight. Eventually, I finished and I was happy to see her go. And what a pisser---She had the nerve to give me her private cell phone number!!! Like I would ever even think of calling her again. I'd rather jerk off in the shower.

I should've gone on the town with "supertomcat" and had his very nice, beautiful girl set me up with a friend...but at least I learned a very valuable lesson: NEVER CALL SEXIS AGAIN. (All in all it cost me 700 pesos for a lousy hand job from an ugly, disinterested girl)

So, to sum things up: "Elegance" was good as usual and they remain the best service in Morelia. "Sexis" sucked big time and the girls are maybe just a half-notch up from street walkers , and that's only because they come to your room whereas the SW's only do business in their own little hotels.

But live and learn, right? All in all, I had a great time these last three days. The women are beautiful and the food is good and the nightlife is awesome. "Supertomcat" had even a better time and he gave me some leads for my next trip. (He made friends with a couple of locals who spoke English and they took him around town before I came)

By the way, "super" e-mail me because last night, right after you checked out "Montserrat" called the front desk and they passed me the message when I came stumbling through the doors this morning.

So, for now.......stay safe and be real...and always be happy!!!! Always merry and bright!!!

Prokofiev
03-17-03, 07:47
Miller,

You asked for a blonde? In Mexico? . . .

Mill Just
03-17-03, 07:58
Howdy Proko...

I usually go for the dark-haired, Morenas but I had an urge for a rubia that time. As you know, there are many blondes (natural or "enhanced") in Mexico contrary to what some may think. And to be more specific, Daniela from "sexis" was indeed a blonde (but not natural)....I wanted the "Shakira-type" and I got the "bleached, female Danny DeVito-type"...I was stupid for staying with her, but as I said: Live and learn!

Take care...

Tomcat2
03-19-03, 07:37
Hi Miller2k:
Thanks for the great post. I really miss Morelia, and Montserrat. She is a such sweet girl.

TjMax
03-23-03, 21:38
Originally posted by supertomcat001
Hi guys, I will be going to Morelia next week. If any monger want to have fun, please drop me a line.

So where is Morelia and is it safe for a spanish chalenged newbie...

I had a great experiance in Tj recently (see post) but a little more into the weekend GFE experiance....

Any information would be appreciated...

-Max

Mill Just
03-25-03, 08:10
Howdy TjMax...

Morelia is a great city for many reasons.

The people are very friendly and open. I've lived in Mexico for about 3 years now in a small town about and hour and a half from Morelia. Every time I go to Morelia I get the red carpet treatment. In more touristy areas, being an American works against you because all of the prices get jacked up as soon as they see a "Gringo". In Morelia, the prices are reasonable and in some cases I've even benefitted from being a "Gringo". These benefits end up being free drinks, extra hours with a girl, or invitations for dinner. As always, you will find some people who will try to overcharge the "rich" Gringo, but these people are few and far between.

Also, Morelia is a very safe city when it comes to crime. In all of my time here I've never felt unsafe or threatened in anyway. I've staggered through the streets at all hours of the day and night after leaving bars or clubs and I've never been bothered. The taxis are safe and there is no problem with hailing one from the street. As a matter of fact, the taxistas are some of the friendliest people I've met in Mexico. On the other side, hail a cab in Mexico City and you stand a good chance of winding up in a ditch with your throat cut.

Morelia is a college town so you will find many beautiful, 18-24 yr old women and a very nice nightlife. Also, because many majors require English as a second language, there is a growing number of people who can at least speak some English (There are also many people who've lived in the US for a period of time and can speak English).

I'm not affiliated with the tourism dept, but I strongly recommend that you come on down. Morelia is a beautiful colonial city which in many ways is very European in attitude and architecture. If you come for a few days I can guarantee that you won't want to leave--just ask "Supertomcat"

When it comes to our hobby, I usually prefer an hour or two and then have them leave. Extended "dates" can be arranged, but you will want to go through the girls themselves and not the agency. The agency will want to charge you for each hour, but the girl will give you a discounted rate. Supertomcat should be able to help you with this. He arranged a 24 hour, overnight deal if I remember correctly for about 1500-2000 pesos (about 150-200 US dollars) which included multiple "encounters", dinner dates, and an outing to a disco. Of course, it helps if the girl is crazy about you. Many of these "extended stay" girls are in the business only for the adventure and don't really care about the money as much as the single moms who need to be paid in hourly chunks. So, I recommend that you call a service (all of the details are listed in previous posts) and if you like the girl, ask her if she is available for an "all-nighter". Language might be a problem with the girls, but with a little smarts you can communicate what you want.

If you want "regular" girls, it will be hard to strike out if you're even a half-way decent guy. Given a weeks time, (if you try, of course) you can have a couple of dates lined up. Just remember that with non-pros things take a long time to heat up and you might not even get a kiss until the 3rd or 4th date, but once you've gained her trust she will give herself to you 100%.

Well, I hope I helped. If you have any specific questions just post them and there are many people here who can help.

Cupido Morboso
03-28-03, 11:21
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Originally posted by miller2k
>On the other side, hail a cab in Mexico City and you stand a >good chance of winding up in a ditch with your throat cut.
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Miller2k:
I disagree, Mexico City is by far the most dangerous city in MEXICO but... is safe if you compare it with New Orleans, NYC, LA or Miami, US cities have higher crime rates, MC doesn't make it to the top 10 (US crime rates)....
you'll find that murder rates in US cities are higher...(Internet research)

I've been visiting Mexico city for 35 years, NEVER ANY problem...

Regards

CM

Mill Just
03-29-03, 08:17
Heya Cupido!!!!

Glad to see that you're still with us. Post once in a while and share your world of experience...

Well, maybe I was a bit over dramatic when talking about Mexico City. I've been there a few times and , aside from VERY outrageously large bar tabs, I've never had a problem there..but could that be that I was aware of the dangers from the get go and I was just more cautious?

At any rate, I don't have the crime stats, but from a first hand, anecdotal perspective I've yet to run across either a resident or a frequent visitor to Mexico City here who doesn't have a good "I was a victim of a crime" story. It is a fact, though, that it is estimated that as high as 60% of the crimes in Mexico City are never reported because the people see the police as either inept, crooked or both. So, any stats are off to begin with. As Americans, we are in love with charts and stats, but most of Mexico lives far away from the written word and the clipboard. And in the area of Tepito (sp?), the police are seldom brave enough to even venture into this zone.

I've told all of my friends here that Mexico City is like any other big city, just watch where you are going and stay on the beaten path and you'll be fine. Hailing cabs off the street may result in nothing more offensive than a costly cab ride, but why take unneccesary risks, right? What should frighten tourists is not so much the chance of crime as the idea that you are in an unfamiliar land and you are ignorant to the scams and set-ups that may or may not be waiting for you. Also, if you do happen to be a victim of crime, you have no power and cannot rely on any authority to help you.

Also, never go with the people who hand out cards for strip clubs in La Zona Rosa. They give you the card and offer to take you to the hottest spot in town which, conveniently enough, just happens to be a couple of blocks away on a side street. My neighbor was robbed and pistol-whipped by one of these guys.

Once again, you probably won't be the victim of a crime in Mexico City, but you stand a much greater chance of being one. Why take the added risk? The prices are ridiculous and the girls are shockingly low-class as compared to other, much smaller cities. Unless you are on business or you want to visit the Pyramids, I can't understand why anyone would want to visit Mexico City. But to each his own...right?

Anyway, Cupido tell us what you've been up to.

Cupido Morboso
03-29-03, 10:18
Miller2k:

Mexico City is the World's biggest city and all big cities have a lot of scary and wonderful places, MC has some "dangerous zones" just...avoid them, stay out of ANY tourist area (Downtown, Airport, Polanco, Zona Rosa, Del Valle, Roma, Insurgentes, Doctores, Tepito, Zocalo, etc. ) and you'll be 99.9% safe, I mean GO TO THE SUBURBS...
If you are looking for some 'company', avoid the Zona Rosa, it's a tourist area and a ripoff (outrageously large bar tabs),

I'm convinced, Mexico City is p**y paradise, also has some of the most beautiful girls in the World, example: several Mexico City girls are married to rich/royal europeans (Genoveva Casanova, Adriana Abascal, Cristina Hanna, etc., etc.), you need to know where to find the beautiful girls, they are not in the "danger zone", smart chilangos don't live/work near this area anymore, go to the new, hidden, upper middle class areas like Interlomas, ...they NEVER go downtown...they stay in the suburbs...
(Prokoliev: MEXICO and Mexico city have some gorgeous blondes...you can't say there are no blondes in MEX...)

When I go to MC, I always stay close to the Interlomas Mall, you'll find anything you need in this area, a Hotel, escorts, amateurs, restaurants, a Mall, etc., the Interlomas area is the 'Bel Air' of Mexico City (but it's not expensive), some young amateurs/semi-pros look for customers in the Interlomas Mall, hang outside the Cinepolis Interlomas on a friday/saturday afternoon and you'll know what i mean (look for the "lost" girl walking alone and wearing very small clothes),

I recently was in Miami/Miami Beach.... comparing MIA with MEX, I've found that:

- Miami has a higher stolen car rate,
- Miami has a higher murder rate,
- Miami escorts are expensive $350 US+, similar escorts charge $80US in MC,
- you can find a few streetwalkers in Miami, most of them are fat, ugly or both, you can find younger, prettier and inexpensive girls among the thousands of Mexico city's streetwalkers, Sullivan street has 200-300 streetwalkers at night (10-11pm), and the area is 99.9 % SECURE (heavy police presence) with many cheap hotels within a walking distance, the scene is similar to Morelia's "triangulito" (where the streetwalkers are),
- Downtown Miami (and NW from there, where the streetwalkers hang) is very dangerous, especially at night,
- Miami has a lot of "antros" but most suck, you will NOT get laid,
- I love thin and tall latin-european and latin-american girls, i don't like 'most' blondes, fat or chubby girls, so, for that reason, at least for me, Interlomas Mall has more beautiful/gorgeous girls (weekend afternoon) in the Cinepolis area than Aventura Mall Miami, since I love to look for "lost" girls in Malls....Interlomas is my favorite mall in the world........(Santa Fe Mall a few miles away is second place)


Mexico City has 428 table dance "antros" (quoted from...http://www.aeropuertosmexico.com/Cd_Mex/vida_nocturna.htm), many massage parlors, hundreds of escort services (check the newspaper ads at http://www.aviso-oportuno.com.mx under Servicios>masajes), world class discos, malls and restaurants, great 'underground' *****houses (like Ing. Norman's house), some of MC's best kept secrets are easy to find if you ask the right people.... (not the taxistas, they don't go to Norman's...),

:)

Regards

CM

Tomcat2
03-30-03, 21:51
Back from 9 days in my favorite city. lots to cover, some to directly answer questions posted by Miller2k in the last week, the rest of my just to provide some detail info.
Escort services
There are a dozen of them in Morelia, you can find them in the newspaper La Voz. Most of them have price, few of them don't. The prices range from $400 to $800/hr. They also have some special prices which range from $1200 to $1500/hr( so-call model).
Karina
she was the first girl i had upon my arrival . she is from “Geisha”(Tel 391-3097) wanted $800 peso for 1hr or $1000 for longer which is 1.5hr. She is a attravtive girl, about 5'5", 34-28-34 with brown hair.
Paulina
she is from "elegance", charged same as Karina, she told me she was 20, and that could be about right, although she looks closer to 23, and she has a two years old daughter. She is 5'3", with light-skin and fake blonde hair.
Massage
There are 8-10 messages listed on newspaper, half of them are real massages. I found one in downtown: Disfruta La Delicia De Relajarate(Tel 317-4784). there are four girls, three of them are very pretty. Grecia, she is 5'7", with nice tits and bad teeth. With $1000/hr, she will give you full service which include CBJ, any position. She has two kids, so she only can go to your hotel after 11:00PM for $700/hr(Please don't tell other girls, that's our after-hour deal). Liz is about 20, with lovely tits and red hair. She will give you a HJ for $300(you can also take off her bra and play with those nice tits) and CBJ for $700(which is too much for me). She is only one who wouldn't do full-service(I even offer her$2000 just for teasing her, of course I will not pay that silly price).

Strip club
Manhattan is good spot if you are a rich guy. There are 15-20 girls, almost half of them from South American. Girls are hot, young, but expensive. You need spend $300-$500 for their drinks first, then go upstairs with $1000/hr.
There are some cheaper strip clubs for local. $100 for six beers, and girl's drinks only $40(compare with Manhattan's $150 girl's drinks), but they are small, and no gringo. They have 4-6 strippers(pretty girls), and 30-40 so-call chatting girls from chubby 4 to attractive 8(you need pay $40 for her drink, she will chat, dance with you about 20-30min, then you can negotiate with her about full-service. My friend told me the price is about $400, but I never try.) Do not go there at weekend, it will be packed by local guys.

Prokofiev
03-30-03, 22:18
SuperTom,

Was the massage at that parlor any good or was it just light touching and sex? 300 pesos for a full massage and HJ is a pretty good deal. Or is it 300 extra? Details please.

Also do you speak Spanish well? It doesn't seem that English is your first language - although I may be wrong.

Miller,

You can't see why anyone would visit Mexico City? How about the museums, restaurants, music, ballet, art and history? It is a world class city with alot to see and do. If you only want sex, I would agree. It's like going to New York ONLY for sex. But there is so much to see and do in Mex City and I have never had a problem . . . in the subway, buses, taxis, walking late at night. Of course, that doesn't mean it's safe. But we have already discussed that several times on this forum. But I must agree with Cupido . . . I love Mexico City. But as soon as I'm robbed the first time I'll probably change my mind. Regards, -P

Mill Just
03-31-03, 11:11
Okay guys, I plead ignorance with regards to Mexico City. I have never had a really pleasurable time with the "ladies" there and I found the prices WAY too jacked up for my tastes--especially when you are actually making a living here and have to spend pesos. Despite all of that, though, I still believe that its possible that I've just yet to hit the right places. Give me another 33 years, Cupido. However, I will never buy the argument that Mexico City is as safe as you claim. Too many horror stories have passed before these ears and most crimes NEVER get reported and, therefore are never part of the crime stats. And Proko, I've never been into museums very much...Always had the idea that they were places for dead things. I prefer to participate in the culture...

In any case, y'all may be right, but when I weigh all the pros and cons, the only reasonable decision for me to make is the one that I made 3 years ago--stick with the mid-sized cities. Just the sheer size of Mexico City turns me off--If I wanted a sprawling metropolis, I would still be living in the USA.

So, anyway, pardon my lack of experience. Personally, I pull up just short of hating Mexico City. I've always believed that its the tourist-friendly version of the "real" Mexico. It is watered-down Mexican culture. It would be like going to Las Vegas to discover the "real" American culture: There are many things to do and a lot of fun to be had, but its not really representative. Of course, like I said, maybe I just haven't found the right places yet. That's why it's important for you older guys to POST MORE and set us straight (Stop being greedy and keeping all the good spots to yourselves) :)

Anyway, the name of the game is "FUN", right? So, whatever floats your boat is cool with me...

SuperTom---I was going to tell you this when you were in Morelia, but I forgot. I checked with a friend who frequents "Manhattan" and you were charged almost double for the "lady's" drink. The standard price is between 80-90 pesos. Start up those Spanish classes, buddy, and you'll do a lot better when it comes to prices. See you when you come back.

Prokofiev
03-31-03, 20:56
Miller,

Mexico City = Las Vegas? A watered down Mexico? No way! MC is as real as real can get. Scary real. A better analogy is that MC= New York + Wash DC. As for the girls, I tend to agree that I would look elsewhere . . . but that is probably just due to my ignorance. With 25+ million, there have got to be plenty of gems and a price range for any pocket book. Cupido clearly has explored this angle more than I have.

But I don't want anyone thinking that Mexico City isnt worth visiting. Too many people? Sure. Pollution? Yeah. Crime? For sure. But if I had to recommend a single spot in Mexico for someone to visit, it would still have to be MC.

Later, -P

Mill Just
04-02-03, 08:48
I hate to disagree with you, Proko, but everybody has their own opinions and that's what makes this an interesting world.

I would recommend Mexico City for its historical places and nothing else. The first city that I visited when I moved here was Mexico City and, as a result, I almost went back to the US. Since then, I've visited a few times because I have friends in the area. The clubs are sub-par. Too many tourists inflate the prices and water down the "sabor Mexicano". Sure, people can say that the best places are away from the tourist traps, but in the same breath they'll warn you about not going here or there, about not taking anything of value with you, about how you should dress down or try to blend in...Why bother when so many other places are much safer and just as fun ?(once again, only my opinion) People go on vacation to get away from terrible things like crime and stress and then they have to go to a place where they need to leave everything they have in the hotel safe deposit box out of fear? No thank you...

"Real" Mexico depends on what you're looking for. Sure, Mexico City has a better quality of artist, due solely to the tourism trade and the huge population, but I'm referring to life aside from tourist hot spots. "Real" to me is someplace where you can visit and later tell your friends "THIS is what Mexico is like," rather than "I saw these great artists in Mexico." For me, "reality" lies in the average person, a trip to the outdoor market, etc...

In any case, we've been talking more about Mexico City than Morelia in the Morelia section lately...Let's get back to talking about my favorite Mexican city...

As always...I remain: THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE.

TjMax
04-03-03, 08:09
I was approached by an older American on my newbie trip to the Zona with an offer for young girls who were looking for part time... As a Ne-wbie it was a No-wbie... Too easy for a setup... But I must admit the idea was attractive if it was for real...

He was basically bumming a beer off of me as he was trying to tell me that he would Hook-me-up for $200/night with a young freshman non-pro... I guess he meant semi-pro? I mean, in sports once you get paid you are a pro for life right???? He even offered Friday night through Monday morning for $500 if I would show the girls a good time...

Anyway, I have been thinking about it since I had such a great experience in the Zona... But my one experienced friend said It was beginners luck and not to expect anything like that again...

Miller2K,

What really are the range of services available in Morelia and where do you go for the weekend girls if you are a newbie with bad Spanish…

-Max

P.S. If I am a “Super Moderator” then you guys over 100 posts must be “Super Mongerators”

Mill Just
04-05-03, 10:36
TJ...where exactly did you meet this guy?

well, yeah, you probably had a bit of beginner's lucks because I've only been approached in a similar fashion one time in my 3 years here. I was at a disco and I took a girl out to dance. It turns out that she was a "semi-pro" and offered to be my "novia" for the night or the weekend. Personally, I really don't go for the extended stay girls. I much prefer to take care of business and have them go. When I want companionship, I get a "real" girlfriend.

The range of services in Morelia is just like anywhere else...everything from massage/HJ to a BJ to full service and very often a little of everything. It just depends on the girl/service/your personality/your tastes.

Despite things that have been said here before, a newbie with little Spanish would do good by hooking up with a realiable, bilingual taxi driver who can show you around and translate/negotiate with the girls. A bell boy or desk clerk can also help if you want to talk more in detail with an escort about an extended stay. (negotiate with the girl and not the service.) You'll be luckier when it comes to weekend "dates" if you stick with the younger girls who don't have children. They often work just for the extra cash and/or the thrill of it. (and they might see it as a thrill to hang around with a Gringo for the weekend). Also, don't be ashamed to ask the bell boys or taxistas about the women...you're not in the USA and prostitution is not seen with the same contempt. The vast majority of the men that I know in Mexico have or continue to visit with the "ladies".

I don't know if I gave you what you were looking for, so if you have specific questions, just let me know. I'm always happy to help...

TjMax
04-06-03, 09:23
Thanks for the reply M2K...

I was in Chevaz in TJ... Across from Tropicana...

What are typical rates in morelia?

How does it compare with TJ?

You mentioned that it was a college town...

How does that impact mongering?

Mill Just
04-07-03, 07:10
TJ....

Typical rates in Morelia range from 200 pesos for SWs to 1000 for high-end escorts or "club" girls. Stay away from escort services that advertise in the 400-600 peso range, the SWs are just as good and about half the price. I'm sure that you might actually find a good quality escort in the low-end escort services, but the chances are very, very slim. My preference has always been the "Elegance" escort service. The price is always in the 800 peso range, but the girls are very eager to make side arrangements for anywhere from 500-600 pesos. Just don't tell anyone about your deal because the girl will get fired. I've never been disappointed by the girls at "Elegance". You pay a little extra for the quality , beauty and class. The majority don't even look like prostitutes. They just look like hot college students. The SW scene is good for what it is: a nice back-up stop for a quickie. The better quality girls are usually taken first, so get there (you know, the place mentioned in previous posts as "Behind the old bus terminal") early, at around 7 or 8 in the evening. After 11, the place is a hang-out for transies...

For me, the TJ scene is a little much for me. For whatever reason, Morelia is a lot more of a "wholesome" environment for mongering. The girls usually seem more like "normal" non-pros as opposed to the girls in TJ. I find this a lot more stimulating. A dinner date after an "appointment" with a Morelia escort is not such an outlandish thing.

Being a college town means that there is always a large supply of attractive girls between the ages of 18 and 24. A significant percentage of the girls at the escort services are college students struggling to pay for school. In the non-pro arena, just take a walk around certain places and you'll see all the hot girls in tight pants, mini-skirts and belly-shirts. If you can cruise the malls or the college parks and not have a hard-on within 20 minutes, then you might have to look into the transie scene behind the old bus station after 11 pm. Being a college town also means that there is a good, strong club scene where co-eds go to let down their hair and blow off some steam...

The best part of Morelia is the fact that it's not completely overrun by tourists. Everything is reasonably priced, very few people would even think to run a tourist scam on you and the people (according to my tastes) are just less jaded and more friendly than in much bigger, tourist-heavy areas. Crime is a non-issue. Morelia is a big city, though, with a population of about 1.5 million so if you long for a Big Mac or a KFC combo or a Pizza Hut pan pizza, you can visit those places. There is also a Walmart, Sears and Woolworth if you get homesick.

Well, again, if you have any specifics that I didn't address, please feel free to let me know.

TjMax
04-08-03, 22:04
M2K,

Sounds like paradise for a good looking gringo…

How hard is it for a good looking Americano with poor Spanish to pick up co-eds at the disco? What are the best location & strategy??? Are there better times of year??? Just after midterms??? What is a local special treat (Restaurant, disco or Spa, ???) that the co-eds just cant refuse???

Here in the states the co-eds love to be pampered at a day-spa after a brutal mid-term that did not go well… Always gets their juices flowing, and they always drink too much champagne at dinner when they are laughing… most have no idea how old I am… and I have stopped telling them…

One time I had a great spa-day that turned into a weekend… She had a great time always smiling but when I dropped her off at the dorm she kissed me and asked me how old I was, I said how old do you think I am… She said a young 33… So I gave her a big smile and a hug… and told her she did not want to know… She asked again so I told her she was south a decade or more and she smiled and said that I was sure in good shape for an old dude… and then the smile began to fade as she did the math and realized that I was the same age as her dad… The poor girl broke out crying…

A week latter I saw one of her friends on campus and they told me she was not doing well… It seems that she had made a few calls during the weekend about the great guy she had met and all the fun we had… One of her friends is a good friend of mine and asked me if anything had happened over the weekend and I just smiled… She said “I know, you could not be anything other than a gentleman if they put a gun to your head”… I told her that I had shared my age with her… And she smiled and shook her head and told me that might not be a good idea in the future… It had alarmed her but she had just waited till she got back home before she cried… She told me the girl is ok now, but I just do not want anymore episodes like that… Too much of a softy I guess…

How are the girls with older men in Morelia? I have been told they are more accepting of relationships with older men that look and act young… I truly want them to enjoy the time as well… Just another form of mongering I guess… Not much chance for a long term relationship with a girl 23yrs younger than you… But they do seem to have a good time on our special trips…

I might even be interested in looking for a Co-ed who wants to act as my companion translator on trips to exotic places in Central & North America… Is this realistic given the mores of the girls in Morelia? I have read other places that such things are MUCH more acceptable in Latin America than here in the states…

Ok, I had better stop with the book before Jackson makes me a Super Moderator again…

Thanks for all the info M2K…
I think I am beginning to understand why you always sign off as the “happiest man on earth.”

TjMax
04-08-03, 23:55
SuperTomCat....

M2K's listing aluded to the fact that you might have some experiance with "Overnight" and "weekend" girls from Morelia...

What do you recomend??? Are there any online-personals where i could brows adds or post an ad before going down??? Does your friend have a friend???

What is the night life in morelia like????

Any info would be helpfull...
Airfare from TJ is on sale for $200 round trip!!!

I am thinking that a nice long 4 day 4 night weekend would be a good place to start... Give me a chance to find a co-ed who would enjoy being my companion on some trips I have palnned in mexico and central america...

How would I advertise / look for a co-ed who could also act as companion / translator and spanish teacher?

Thanks in advance...
Sounds like you had a great time in Morelia...

TjMax
04-09-03, 00:08
Originally posted by El Mojado
I'm also heading to Zamora and La Piedad. Zamora has (as I've been told) a very good nursing college. Imagine lots of young female nursing students aged 19 to 24... If that sounds like heaven to you then wish me luck!!! :) I'm just curious to see what's there and what their impression of American men is and possibly for future reference. I'm definitely into the GFE and I wouldn't mind having a GF instead of cruising around for the GFE in different settings... though it works for now :)

El Mojado

What was your impression of Zamora vs Morelia???
I am looking for a location to find a travel companion for latin america that can also act as my translator and spanish teacher...

Full imersion if you know what I mean... :)

I prefer the GF experiance... I just happen to also prefer companions that are young enoughf to keep up with me and me up with them...

Ok, this is my last serial post today...

-Max

Mill Just
04-10-03, 06:17
wow TJ, you're really doing your homework!!!


With regards to the age thing...You'll find that older, "successful" men often take much younger wives. Ask SuperTomcat how many older men with incredibly hot younger women we saw while just walking around. It's not as much of a hang-up as in the States. The women have a more pragmatic view of the whole thing: Is he a good man? Can he provide for me and our children? If the answer is yes to both, then everything else pretty much goes out the window...In my case, I'm 32 years old and my first girlfriend here was 16 (Honest to God, I didn't know that she was 16 until much later and by then she convinced me that it wasn't a big deal). Even though I was twice her age, her parents loved me--I doubt if I'd get the same reaction in the USA!

Finding a travel partner so fast might be a problem. It usually takes a while before the girl really trusts you (but when she does--it's sooooo good). Usually first dates are in public places. Nothing special, just an ice cream and a walk. I usually meet girls who work in stores. I go in a few times and start talking and eventually invite them for an ice cream or a coffee after work. I rarely get turned down, but it does take a little while to win them over. American men have a bad reputation here. American men are the ones who come for vacation, seduce a girl, get her pregnant and then return to the USA never to be heard from again...so they need to be sure that you're different.

The best thing about Mexican women is that you don't really have to impress them. No lavish meals are necessary. No shopping sprees or fancy dates. Just be a good guy and a gentleman and you'll go far. Don't even try the physical stuff until much later. Also, here's a tip that I wished someone had told me: If you want to enter into a romantic relationship with a woman, you have to verbally ask her to be your girlfriend. It's called "declarando" and if you don't do it, they think that you either only want to be friends or that you're playing them for a quickie and that you're probably married. I lost a really good girl a while ago because I didn't understand that custom...

I dodn't know if this advice will do you any good because you won't be spending a great deal of time here, but it might help someone who decided to live here.

Well, gotta run...play safe everyone.

TjMax
04-10-03, 21:08
M2K yo da Man… After reading your posts I think I am not the only one around here that does their research…

Morelia sounds like paradise for Humorous Successful Gentlemen…
Will my true desire to have them teach me Spanish help as well?

Maybe my goal is unrealistic given the time I can spend… If it was TJ no problem… But I would rather meet someone I know at a great destination and spend the week there…

I had hopped to try and build a relationship with a college girl over the internet that might shorten the process a little… Use the first time in Morelia to solidify a friend with benefits relationship before traveling to exotic places together... And see what materializes from there…

Great info on the Girlfriend process and the "declarando"… I am single and always the Gentleman so that is no problem, but I also always tell the truth… So making the "declarando" would have to be in Ernest… Does it work to say you would like them to be your girlfriend for travel?

If not, I might just have to work the semi-pro side of the fence… Any more hints on how to maximize my opportunities in either case?

-Max

Prokofiev
04-10-03, 23:28
TJ,

As far as a teacher/guide/girlfriend goes, it is possible but not that easy. I have been to Mexico (Guadalajara, Morelia, Queretero, MexC, Oaxaca, San Miguel,etc) many times over the last 2 years. For me, the best approach to learning the language is to take lessons - just 2 or 3 hours during the morning and get a feel for the culture and the city. You not only learn Spanish, but you will find out about what is going on in each particular town. You can make friends, hit on fellow students and classmates and learn the language - all very cheap. Some places are only $4-5/hour for group lessons. Well worth it.
I have gone out with several Mexican women. Two teachers, a student and a waitress. The culture is much more formal than in the US. Showing respect is important. I have been shot down twice on the first date for minor dating infractions (touching her arm!). That NEVER would occur in the US or Europe. The first couple dates are SLOW. And since I usually spend only 1 week in a city, it is hard to make progress . . . but very interesting all the same. The women are VERY interested in Americans and finding a woman 10 or even 15 years younger is not hard. But it takes time.

I approach it like this - specialization. I learn Spanish in Spanish schools. I date women for the GFE. And I use pros for quick action. Finding all 3 in one person is going to be tough . . .

Good Luck, -P

TjMax
04-11-03, 00:44
Originally posted by Prokofiev
TJ,

As far as a teacher/guide/girlfriend goes, it is possible but not that easy.

.....

I have been shot down twice on the first date for minor dating infractions (touching her arm!). That NEVER would occur in the US or Europe. The first couple dates are SLOW. And since I usually spend only 1 week in a city, it is hard to make progress . . . but very interesting all the same. The women are VERY interested in Americans and finding a woman 10 or even 15 years younger is not hard. But it takes time.

I approach it like this - specialization. I learn Spanish in Spanish schools. I date women for the GFE. And I use pros for quick action. Finding all 3 in one person is going to be tough . . .

Good Luck, -P

Thanks for the info...

Learning spanish is a secondary goal... Translation is a given if she can speak to me at all... But the general advise here seems to be that a few days or a week is not realistic for a true GF like experiance...

Are there any online services that specialize in the area where I might connect with women from the university?

Or do you have other sugestions for semi-pro...

In other posts from Morelia they spoke of university girls that enjoyed the adventure more than the money... That's the attitude I am looking for...

But everyone says the same thing... It takes time but it is worth it...

Thanks,

-Max

Cupido Morboso
04-11-03, 08:17
TJMax:
It's easy to find a girl to travel with you (but spanish IS required), I've done it, I'm SURE any PRO/Amateur will travel with you if:

- she likes you
- she trust you
- you pay for everything
- she can communicate with you (she can speak english or you can speak spanish)

Look for girls that don't live with their family and don't have children, my advice is to travel with nice and beautiful girls ONLY, I mean...make SURE you like the girl A LOT or you will regret it the next morning (happened to me),

- TRUST (her safety) is the most important issue, she will NOT travel with you if she doesn't TRUST you 100%,
- NEVER offer her money, make SURE she understands that you want to travel with her for pleasure, and it's not a 'business' trip (buy her small gifts),

Have in mind that spending all night with a 'customer' is very personal for a mexican girl (even PRO's), they reserve that privilege only for their boyfriend,

THE LANGUAGE BARRIER

- If you don't speak spanish go (first) to Cancun, Acapulco, or Puerto Vallarta, most people speak english at beach destinations (MEXICO receives +10 million tourists a year, millions of Mexicans work at hotels, restaurants, etc., most of them speak at least some english), you will not have a language barrier problem in these cities,
(tens of thousands of american/canadian college students come to Mexico in spring break, I don't know why but Spring Break in mexican beaches has a 3 to 1 girl/boy ratio, drunk college girls often go to bed alone for the lack of boys, try Puerto Vallarta in spring break...you can have all the college girls you want...)

- If you want to meet mexican college girls try middle class girls (private universities), they have a higher rate of english speaking, liberal and open minded girls,
example: read my Mexico City post (03-30-03), go for Anahuac University girls in the Interlomas Mall, or UDG girls (Guadalajara), I'm sure all speak fluent english....(you will not regret it, they are gorgeous),

If you want to come to Morelia bring a friend who speaks at least some spanish, you'll need him to 'negotiate' with the girls, if you are a Humorous Successful Gentleman and look like Francesco Totti (italian soccer superstar) YOU can have all the college girls YOU want...(Mexican girls love/prefer tall, healthy, 'morenos', age is NOT important),

It's easy to find a gorgeous girlfriend in MEXICO, much more easier than in the US, but you NEED to speak spanish; Spanish is the World's second most spoken language (english is 3th.), as an added bonus, you'll have access to the 15 million latinas in the US, and 200 million in Spain, Andorra, Venezuela, Argentina (the most beautiful girls in this planet), Panama, etc.,
My advice is: learn spanish visiting, having fun and mongering in these countries...

:)

Regards

CM

P.S.
I wanted to travel with a PRO, that was my 'fetish' too, I have done it twice, but I will NOT do it again, not with a PRO,

SteveinBayArea
04-11-03, 18:36
Hi guys,

I am going to going to Urapan in late May alone! I've been many times before. but never been able to indulge. My spanish is passable, enough to get in trouble! I'll be staying at Cupatitzio. I would like to hook up with semi-pro's for a GFE, any idea's where I should look? Also, is there going to be a problem bringing them back to my hotel? What is the protocal without asking?

Steve

TjMax
04-11-03, 21:33
Originally posted by Cupido Morboso
TJMax:
It's easy to find a girl to travel with you (but spanish IS required), I've done it, I'm SURE any PRO/Amateur will travel with you if:

- she likes you
- she trust you
- you pay for everything
- she can communicate with you (she can speak english or you can speak spanish)

- NEVER offer her money, make SURE she understands that you want to travel with her for pleasure, and it's not a 'business' trip (buy her small gifts),

Have in mind that spending all night with a 'customer' is very personal for a mexican girl (even PRO's), they reserve that privilege only for their boyfriend,

Regards

CM



Thanks for the heads up CM¡K

I have the Spanish Travel CD-Rom running in my ears as I write this.

I met a girl from GDL many years ago at a birthday party for my brother¡K She was drop dead gorgeous (Small, Blond, Green Eyes, Slim Firm Body, Great Smile & Laugh), and made it very clear she was interested. I made it very clear I was married at the time. We had a great time drinking and talking that night¡K And she never pushed it further. I know, Sucker¡K But it is how I live. Add to that the GFE I had on my newbie trip to TJ and I would have to agree with you on Gorgeous Latinas

I actually spend a lot of time south of the border working on humanitarian projects and have never had a problem with the people or the language... If you know how to smile you can communicate with just about anyone who wants to listen. The people are wholesome and honest¡K But like everywhere you get concentrations of the bad ones in some areas of the larger cities.

I was hopping for some private instruction to hone my pronunciation skills in everyday environments. Besides I like it so much I might just retire down there some day.

Thanks again for the info.

I will continue to look for an on-line way to meet the girls at the universities¡K Let me know if anybody runs across a good one.

-Max

Tomcat2
04-12-03, 01:50
TJMax:
As Miller2k said, there are so many older man date with younger women. Age is not a issue. If you look for a overnight girl, it will take some time. The price range around $1500-2000. You need ask them at your first date. My friend, a cab driver who speak decent English, showed me around Morelia. He will charge you $8USD/hr.
Prokofiev:
The message costs $250, and a hj costs extra $300. Elizabeth is a gorgeous girl with big tits.
Miller2k:
You are right about the girl's drink. They just wanted to rip-off me. Now I am studying Spanish at school, thank your advice.

Mill Just
04-13-03, 07:59
Greetings all....


TJ...I thought that you were talking about getting a non-pro Mexican woman to be a travel companion. THAT would be just about impossible. (Sometimes it takes a handful of dates before you can even go out together alone) Finding a pro to go with you will still be very difficult, but to paraphrase Cupido: do some interviewing with the pros and see who is sans kids and responsibilities.

With regards to the language barrier: I came to Mexico with a Spanish vocabulary of about 40 words and no sense of Spanish grammar and within a 2 weeks, I had a girlfriend and a couple who wanted to be with me. They thought it was charming when I tried to pronounce Spanish words. Their favorite thing was to have me say something in English. Eventually, I learned from them and from watching Spanish soap operas. My college degree is in linguistics and communication so maybe that made it easier for me to assimilate, but it's a big help to just immerse yourself in the language. Classes are great, but you'll find a difference between formal Spanish and the way people talk to one another on the street. Learning Mexican slang and "modismos" makes it easier to communicate and it also helps a great deal with your mongering...

Being an American is a huge asset when it comes to getting a girlfriend (Especially in a smaller town where not many "Gringos" ever even visit). The only times that I've been without a girlfriend are when I've chosen to be without one. (and if you could se me, you'd know that I'm not exactly a Brad Pitt look alike)Remember, though, you MUST be a gentleman and many of the rules of dating remind one of 19th century customs. Open doors, pull out chairs, no sex talk, hand holding only after a certain number of dates, etc...It's fun, but it does become hard work after a while. However, as I've said before, it's all worth the effort.

By the way, you may want to try a dating service in Mexico to make some contacts. Try Match.com's Mexico section. Personally, I can't vouch for the quality, but it might be a good place to start. Meanwhile, I'll snoop around and see if there's a local service here that might benefit you.

TjMax
04-13-03, 09:48
Thanks M2K, Pro, Tomcat et all….
You guys are the best…

Solid Advise… From everyone…

Be a gentleman… Learn some Spanish… Smile a lot…
Concentrate on the ones w/o children that do not live at home…
Look for the semi-pros that seem to be into it for the adventure & will meet out side the club/bar….
Keep you eye out for that one in a million you just might meet at the store…

It just takes time…

Rates are great from TJ…
I will let you know if I am going to be in the area…

-Max

Dylock
04-13-03, 22:30
I can personally vouch for comunidaddelamor.match.com (the website mentioned a couple of posts ago). It used to be on Yupi.com but got bought out, so the prices went up. Still, it has been a good experience for me (age 28). I have met one girl in person in Mexico, 2 in the US, and gotten literally hundreds of unsolicited messages from around the latin world. It can be harder if you want to find someone from a specific city because then you are depending on a more limited pool of resources to draw from, but the chances are still there.

Dylock
04-13-03, 23:02
Miller2K,
A little over a year ago you posted that you were teaching English as your primary job there. Is that still your deal? How's the income these days? I don't mean to pry and you can refuse to answer, but I am having renewed dreams of moving down there in a couple of years with some savings and doing the same thing you're doing. (I say "a couple of years" so I can build up the savings and close out some other obligations I have.)

Thanks!

Mill Just
04-15-03, 07:40
hello dylock...

Yes, I'm still teaching English and business is as good as usual. I make between 10,000 and 11,000 a month and that's more than enough to live a very comfortable, upper-middle class life. At times the demand for my services is so high that I have a waiting list. I live in a relatively small town and I'm the only "Gringo" in town, so that may explain my good fortune. A bigger city might have more competition. I also make side money with legal translations. In the past months I've helped with migration documents and even a divorce. I translate everything and then download any legal documents that the person here doesn't have. A lawyer here would charge between 1500 and 3000, but I only charge 500 or I've also accepted trades. In addition to the classes and the translations I also load up on electronics and clothing from the US every so often and return here to sell things at a big discount. Anything American sells big time here and the electronics are so outrageously expensive that I can charge double what I payed for the item and it is still about a 40% discount. (A regular, no-frills Sony Discman can cost more than 1200 pesos: I buy for 30 bucks, sell it for 70 and the people still save about 400 pesos here.) Opportunities are wide open, but my classes keep me so busy that I just don't have time.

I live a good life here with an internet connection, satellite dish (so I can see my beloved Chicago Cubs break my heart again), and enough extra money to go mongering and take trips to Las Vegas and Chicago every year. And remember, when I came here I only had 8000 dollars with me.

Have fun and be safe.......

Dylock
04-23-03, 02:22
Thanks M2K. You're an inspiration! Don't know what I can add to that except I will keep on dreaming and working.

Mill Just
06-23-03, 06:15
Hello All....

Sorry that I haven't been able to report for a while. Right now, I'm retired from mongering due to the fact that I have a very cute girlfriend and she keeps me too satisfied to even think about "out sourcing."

In any case, I went with a few friends Saturday to cruise the strip clubs. I guess you could say that they "forced" me...

Here's the report:

I went to 2 clubs Saturday night, Manhattan and Exesso. The first place I went to was "Manhattan".

Manhattan had, by far, the bigger and better selection of girls. Some were absolutely unbelievable. I would range all between 8-10. I invited a girl for a drink and later we had a private dance whch was hot as hell. She gave me a BJ through my pants!!...the suction on that girl was unbelievable!! She offered 15 minutes of full-service for 700 pesos, but she immediately dropped the price to 500. I politely declined, but I was having second thoughts the whole night. In any case, the club was very nice and the girls were extremely friendly for the most part. I don't know how many offered "extras", but the "boletero" (the guy in charge of arranging everything) told me that most were available.

After Manhattan, we went to "Exesso". The quality of Exesso has gone down quite a bit and there were about half as many girls as there were in Manhattan. Also, the girls weren't of the same quality. They weren't ugly, just not as perfect. I didn't have any private dances there, so I don't know if things have changed since my last post about Exesso. It was a nice place, but a bit of a let down when compared to Manhattan. These things run in cycles, though, and in 6 months there might be another hot spot that's better than them all.

The prices in both places were the same:

*Cover Charge: 30 pesos
*Girl's Drink : 75 pesos (single), 150 pesos (double)
*Private Dance for 1 song: 140 pesos
*"Sexy" Private Dance for 15 minutes: 700 pesos (but highly
negotiable)

I Recommend that you buy a bottle instead of buying by the drink. It'll save you money and prevent the constant, "Can I get you another?" interruptions by the waiters. Bottles range from 375 pesos to 2000. Buy a single drink first to see if you like the place and then buy the bottle when you decide to stay.

All in all, the bill for our party of 4, including 4 girls drinks, was $1240 pesos. Add in the 140 that I spent on the private dance, and my share came to about 400 pesos (aprox. $40 US. Try beating that for 3.5 hours in an American strip club)

Sorry to say, SuperTomcat, but I think your taxista took you for a ride so to speak. Either that, or the club jacked things up when they saw you didn't speak Spanish.

By the way, For the people who e-mail me: Please mention WSG Forum in the intro of your e-mail. I'm constantly erasing messages from board members by accident because I get a ton of spam. So, if you've sent me mail in the last few months and I haven't answered then its because I accidentally erased your message and I never even saw it. Sorry.

Take care and play safe.

Tomcat2
06-23-03, 15:50
Hi Miller:
Great report. I’m glad to know that you have a cute girlfriend now. Good for you, too bad for us, because we lost a veteran in mongering business. Since I made some big career changing decision recently, I will go back Morelia next month. Please let me know your work schedule.

Mill Just
10-29-03, 07:27
wow...this place seems kinda quiet! maybe it's better this way....less gringos means lower prices and less attitude from the females. not for me of course, because i am now retired from mongering (my next post might be me announcing my engagement).

anyway, i was visiting morelia recently for a latin american film festival (by the way, salma hayek was here) with my girlfriend and i ran across an old "friend" from the elegance escort agency. her name was jessica and i wrote about her in a previous post (supertomcat: yes, it's the jessica). well, she told me that she had come out of retirement and was back working at elegance. she gave me some info about some recent happenings in morelia:

apparently, the police have been cracking down on the agencies because they suspected many **** girls were being employed. so, the cops have been shaking down the girls and the agencies. prostitution is legal, but they are still pretty shook up with all the police attention. the agencies have been really careful lately about answering the calls. don't think that they are being rude, they're just a little worried. the night before i met jessica, the authorities had carted in all of the working girls at elegance and the phone operator, looking for information about ****d girls. they weren't in danger of being arrested, but nobody wants to be detained and questioned by a bunch of horny cops all night. so, if you call an escort, you might want to stay away from asking for "young women". that might make them think that you are setting them up for a sting. this will all blow over eventually, but for now you might want to be a little understanding about any unusually cold attitude in the usually very friendly morelia.

just wanted to let y'all know what jessica told me. if anybody wants any info on morelia, mongering in the state of michoacan or living in mexico..i'm always happy to help.

adios...from: the happiest man alive!!!!

Tomcat2
10-31-03, 06:23
Miller:
Congratulation for the “might be” engagement. Are you for real? Jessica comes out of retirement and is back working again? That’s great news. Is she still a hottie? I miss Morelia and my dear Montserrat. Now I work my ass up for saving enough money which I could spend for 6-10 months oversea. What do you think, Miller? Are 7-10 grand enough? I met a pretty 19 years old college girl through internet. We had several phone conversation past couple months. She is a really sweet girl who wants to meet me so bad.

Mill Just
11-10-03, 07:03
heya "super",

yes, Jessica is back in business. She said that she just needed a break, but now she's back...and, yes, still a hottie.

I survived here for 6 months or so with a little over 8 thousand, but I lived rent-free in a family home and I live in a smaller town where there is a lower cost of living. You might need more cash or have a shorter stay. The more favorable exchange rate will give you more pesos for the dollar, though. To help you out, I'm including an itemized list of monthly expenses. Of course, YMMV:

Electricity: 30-40 (US)
Telephone: 30-50 (US) depending on how many calls
Gas: 15-20 (US) you buy gas by the tank and one tank
will usually last 6-9 weeks, depending
on how much you cook.
Internet: 17-20 (US) for Prodigy service
Satellite dish: 60-65 (US) for complete package.
Cable: 17-20 (US) in case you don't want to buy a dish.
(Where I live, we only have 2
stations)
Food: 200-300 (US) This includes other grocery store
items like soap and shampoo.
(Also, this can increase or decrease
depending on how much you eat out)
Rent: 136-450 (US) This category will vary greatly

Also, take into account that you will have many misc. expenses (not to mention the GIRLS!!!). It's very easy to spend pesos and your money will disappear very quickly if you don't watch yourself (I went to a local carnival earlier today with my girlfriend and I spent about 1,000 pesos in less than 3 hours. It doesn't sound like much, but take into acount that the average worker makes about 700 pesos a week)

It's possible to live here for an extended amount of time on 7-10 grand, but you will need to make some sacrifices and live within a strict budget and/or have a source of income in Mexico while you live there.

Where did you meet the 19 yr-old? How did you meet her? I have another friend who is thinking of making the move and I'd like to pass the info to him.

Hope this helped....take care.

Member #1412
11-24-03, 16:04
I'm planning a trip to Michoacan soon. I used to live in a small village near Patzcuaro and north of Lazaro Cardenas on the coast. I want to visit old amigos and check out some of the strip clubs and/or MPs. Any recommendations for places in Morelia, Patzcuaro, Uruapan or Lazaro Cardenas.

Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Tomcat2
11-26-03, 05:09
1412:
Miller is an expert about strip club. You can go back reread his reports. When I was in Morelia last time, Manhattan had the bigger and better selection of girls. I would range all between 7-10. There was several hot blondes from Argentina. There were 8-10 messages listed on the newspaper, half of them are real massages. I found one in downtown: Disfruta La Delicia De Relajarate(Tel 317-4784). there were four girls, three of them are very pretty. Grecia, she is 5'7", with nice tits and bad teeth. With $1000/hr, she will give you full service which include CBJ, any position. She has two kids, so she only can go to your hotel after 11:00PM for $700/hr(Please don't tell other girls, that's our after-hour deal). Liz is about 20, with lovely tits. She will give you a HJ for $300(you can also take off her bra and play with those nice tits).

MRLA
11-26-03, 14:40
Miller2K,

Can you please write to me at mrla4@adelphia.net. Have questions about your trip.Not related to the board..

Thanks ,
MRLA

Member #1412
11-26-03, 18:42
What about Lazaro Cardenas and Patzcuaro? Any intersting place to visit in those towns?

Dollar Bill
06-01-04, 21:49
Morelia - Motorcycle trip (5/29)

Drove from Queretaro to Morelia on Saturday on my motorcycle this past Saturday, and boy, Michoacan really is a beautiful state. The views of the hills and mountains are great.

While in Morelia, I stayed in the Hotel Casino (Best Western) right across from the Cathedral. Paid $800 pesos (taxes included) Really nice outside restaurant with lots of women walking by. I think the women in Morelia are prettier than the women of Queretaro. They seem more approachable also, as I got a few looks of approval.

Since I was a little tired after a 3 hour drive (took a wrong turn in Acambaro), and it was still too early for the strip clubs to be open, I had the bellboy call a couple of advertisements in the newspaper and find me a "date" for the early evening.

There were 3 levels of pricing:

Around $600 pesos for the nothing special looking girls
$800 pesos for better looking women
and $1000 for "model quality"

I told the bellboy to get me a beautiful, young (18-20), flaca, nice tits and ass, and if I needed to pay a little more I would.

He called Nueva Imagine (333-1885) and asked for their best. Prices were $1K for the hour, $1200 for 1 1/2 hours, or 1500 for 2 hours. I told the bellboy that I would go for the hour since I did not know how the girl was, and if I liked what I saw, I would go a little longer.

I went out to the pharmacy to get a supply of rubbers and KY Lube (liquido) and then to back to the hotel restaurant to get something to eat and drink and to wait for the girl to show up. About 6:45, I popped a generic version of Viagra that I bought in Colombia last August. I figured I would see her show up in a taxi. At 7:10 the chick still was not there. The bellboy told me to go up to my room and the agency would probably call me prior to sending her out.

About 5 minutes after being in my room, they called and said the girl would be over in 20 minutes. She showed up at 8:00 P.M. and she looked really good. NOT MODEL QUALITY like I had hoped, but still pretty and what a fucking body.

She came up to my room, knocked (or scratched on my door), came in and I was happy. She called the agency and told them that I only wanted her for 1 hour (even though I went with the 2 hour deal). She said that the agency took 50% of the fee, so she was going to pocket the other part.

Her name was Sandra, 27 y/o (not 19 like the agency said), 5'0" bleach blond, 34C tits (natural), nicely shaved bush, a beautiful "budda" butt (like those in Brasil, from the photos I have seen) and great personality. (oh, and a great actress (knows how to moan with the best of them and I know that she was acting - oh well - I got mine 2x). Spoke a few words in English, so most of the conversation was in Spanish.

She proceeded to take off her clothes, and then mine. She asked if I wanted to use my rubbers or hers, and I told her mine.

She rolled one on my "pecker" using her mouth and then proceed to suck on my nuts for a while. Nothing rushed on her part. After a while, I went to DATY and she liked it. (again - Oscar nomination) She got on top of me and used a little of the KY that I had bought. It went in nicely and although she told me that she had a 7 year old, her pussy (although looking big (not the hole but the length) was nice and snug.

After we were finished with round 1, we took a shower and I got a "soapy." She got me hard about 10 mins after I shot my first load. (Thanks to the Generic V). She gave me a BBBJ in the shower and then soaped up her tits and crushed my dick between them. We got out, dried off, and moved to the bed. We moved into the "69" position. After a while, I got her doggy-style on the edge of the bed with me standing behind her. (use some pillows to prop up her chest and got her from behind. (she said that she was not into anal (ok by me)). I did fuck her hard though and after getting my second nut within 45 minutes of the 1st nut, pulled out and noticed a little blood on the tip of my condom. (she said that the sex was a little rough on her pussy but this time - I think that she had really enojoyed herself)

Anyway, it was all good and I was really happy with her service. I asked if she would mind if I posted her phone number on the internet and she said no problem. Her cell phone is: 01-044-443-125-9385

Afterwards, we showered, got dressed and went downstairs to the restaurant and had a couple of drinks and some food for her. (Felt like a GFE at that point). She said that the agency "taxi" was waiting for her and that she would take it to her house, make sure the kid was asleep and then return. I told her that I had to get up early to meet my motorcycle group in a different part of the state of Michoacan, and I would see her on my next trip.

I did not make it out to any of the strip clubs but did find out that the best ones are:
1-Manhattan
2) El Exceso
3) Juniors

These are located on the "Periferico Republica" northwest of the city if you take the road out of the centro heading "north" towards the Aeropuerto. If when taking the Periferico west and you get to the "terminal de Autobuses de Morelia," then you have gone too far.

I will return again and will probably just do a 1 hour session with Sandra and then hit the strip clubs.

Did not see much besides the Cathedral, but I still had a great time :-)

$Bill

Cupido Morboso
07-17-04, 16:32
Hi All:
Last Night I found a new area with "high class" SW's, You can find 2-4 girls late at night (after 11PM) in Acuaducto Avenue, from Lazaro Cardenas Av. to the Honda dealer (Monarca Morelia), this "High Track" has much better looking girls that the ones found in downtown, prices are higher ($500 for a quick one), "quality" is high too...


CM

Rusty Shackle
10-30-04, 15:25
If you read this, it will mean that I have successfully navigated the new software, so good for me!

I recently visited Morelia and had a great time. It's definitely a place I would visit again. Thanks very much to Supertomcat, Cupido Morboso and the other posters for the details that were so useful. This has been one of my favorite groups, and I hope that a new post will remind others to visit and/or to post their experiences.

A special thanks to Miller2k, the most informative of all. I had a chance to talk with him while I was there, and though our schedules didn't mesh for a meeting, I much appreciate his hospitality and generosity.

All of the previously-posted options are still available. In addition, a taxista told me about a "casa de citas" that had recently begun operation. As it turns out, I didn't try it out, but I am looking forward to a return trip in which I plan to give it a look-see, and maybe more ;-)

The SW area on Heroes de Nocupetaro is mainly between Juan Alvarez and Guillermo Prieto. At least that's where the hotel is; I saw SWs on the blocks to either side, too. The girls were out from 6:30pm on, but they told me that the area is taken over by the guys after 9:00pm, which is earlier than was reported before.

I didn't ask where the girls went at that time, because it was after the event, which was standard SW: 200 for basic, plus 60 for the room for 15 minutes. Then 100 more for clothes off, and 50 more for another position. Bored attitude is free. Maybe I'm not a good negotiator, but it was my first event in town and early in her shift, so I wasn't in a good position to drive a hard bargain. But afterwards, I was thinking that I'd try the other options in town before returning. A SW event is not always, but seems to be usually sort of a "low" thrill, of being naughty, and I'd rather have more outright fun.

Next was the strip club Manhattan. The cab ride was 30 pesos from downtown, and the taxista let me out right in front of the building. Here's a tip: the Manhattan entrance is up a hill to the right as you're facing the building. A nice local gentleman showed me when I wandered in and out of the establishment below, which looked like a dance hall of some sort. Definitely not the same thing.

I'm sad to report that Manhattan was not the great experience for me that it seems to have been for earlier posters. All strip clubs are vaccuums for the wallet, but my previous trips to Mexican ones were much better value for the dollar. Prices are similar to what was posted before: 30 to get in, 45 for a beer, 75 for her drink, or 150 for a "double" for her. The girls seemed to be local talent - I saw no sign of South American imports.

Private dances are 160 for 3 minutes, or 600 for 15 minutes. Going upstairs is possible, but expensive, and I didn't try it. I was disappointed when the stripper didn't get completely nude for the private dance, as they had in other Mexican places I had been, and I left. For what it's worth, the taxista said that Excesso was the best place now. Of course that could mean that he gets a tip for bringing in clientele, but the fact is that I don't know. It's right across the street from Manhattan.

The services advertise in the newspaper La Voz, about 8 of them in the copy I bought. I tried Virgin, on advice from Miller2k. He warned me that I'd likely have to send a couple back (at 100 a pop), and I certainly did. I asked on the phone for a "delgadita", a slim girl. I was asked "delgadita o flaquita?", that is "slim or skinny?". We joked about not wanting to see bones, and I was satisfied that they knew what I wanted. Actually, I should have told them that I weigh more than 70kg, and that I wanted a girl who weighed less, because I believe the first one they sent outweighed me. However, she took no for an answer with no problem, and called the agency to tell them I wanted someone slimmer.

When Miriam showed up, she acted as though she expected to be sent back, too, but I kept her. She definitely had a waist, and a nice chest, plus she was pleasant looking. She requested the money up front to be delivered to her driver, something I had not experienced before and that made me uneasy. She left her 2 cell phones as "hostages" and returned pretty promptly. When her top came off I saw she had a some loose skin on her belly, and I assumed she's a mother, fairly recently. I expected the worst then about her tightness, but as it turns out there was absolutely no problem.

She wasn't much for talking, but stayed her hour, and performed well and changed positions whenever asked. I'd repeat, no problem. It was 800 for the hour, and 100 for the "taxi" for each girl who shows up. I've since wondered who was waiting to show up if I had sent Miriam back, but it's too late now. Incidentally, though I called the Virgin service, she gave me a card with Touch Me printed on it, one of the recommended ones from previous posts.

I stayed at the Morelia Imperial. It was inexpensive, and the people there are very nice. A couple of negative for me were the lack of air conditioning and the noise level from the inner courtyard that my room faced. Those things may not matter to you.

For my last event I asked the bellman to get me a girl, slipping him 50 pesos. He called up and asked if I wanted the 1300 peso one, but I told him 800, the same amount I had spent before. He did much better than I did, showing up half an hour later with a real slim cutie, a local university student, that was the highlight of my trip. I don't know which service she came from.

I found Morelia to be a beautiful place, very easy to walk around in. My Spanish is pretty good, so I can't judge the level of difficulty of operating in other languages. I ate whatever I wanted and had zero stomach troubles, and prices are low compared to North American / European levels. I am definitely going back!

Dollar Bill
03-29-05, 23:42
I took a trip to Morelia (and then down to Ixtapa) last week during the "Semana Santa."

I had been to Morelia sometime last year (see report below). On this trip, I wanted to hit the strip joints (since I don't normally get to visit them in Queretaro - the part that sucks about marriage).

As soon as I hit the city limits, I pulled over to talk to a taxi drive about where the strip joints were located. I had an idea, but I wanted to confirm it with a local. He told me that there were many various ones on the "by-pass" or "ring" that runs around Morelia.

I drove the way he pointed and within 5 km, I saw about 5 of them all within 2 blocks of each other. I continued driving and within another 1 km, I saw a little love motel called "Motel Caribe." It appeared to be newer and I drove in there and saw a sign that said 120 pesos (12 hours). I told the girl that I need a room for about 15 hours (since I did not want to check out at 4 am) and she said no problem. (120 pesos total).

I got to do a little sight seeing and Morelia is really a great city for that.

Later on that night, I went to the following strip joints:

Exceso (or something like that)
50 pesos entrance fee
30 pesos beers
15-20 girls (where you can watch them in their dressing room)
180 pesos - table dances (1 song)
600 pesos - private (upstairs) no sex - 15 minutes
I chose the 600 peso option.
I left after about an hour to see another.

Manhattan
30 pesos entrance fee
? beer
10-15 girls (almost all taken by other customers)
Left after 1 beer and walking around to see the talent.

Mirage
? entrance
30 pesos beer
120 ladies drink
80 peso table dance
160 peso private (1 song)
I was given the tour of the on-site rooms available. They wanted like 1000 pesos for the room, and my girl Kelsy wanted 2000 pesos for her. I PASSED!!!
It was a good place and I did end up making plans with Kelsy to come to my motel the next night for a 2 hour appointment. (which I missed because I went to the beach instead).

At the love motel, the night manager, did hook me up with a massage service. I don't remember the name of the service (might have been called Massage - Kiss) but it did cost me 800 pesos for a 1 hour sex session. I added another hour for an extra 500 pesos. The girl said it was her 3rd day working in that type of business (I've heard that before). She said that she was a student and was trying to pay for school. The sex was really good and she was perfect. 19 y/o, small, skinny, nice tits, TIGHT pussy!!! (all the things I like) Her name was Ruby. The love motel got 200 pesos commision from the agency for the referral so I did not pay anything extra to the manager.

Morelia and Mirage is recommended!!!

Stay safe and enjoy life,

$Bill

Munch Lunch
07-31-05, 00:20
I'm heading to Morelia for one week in Sept. The escort service looks good from previous posts; so, I'll be calling some of those.

Also, for SW action in the old part of town what are the cross streets of the SW district? The area is by the old bus terminal? Is that within walking distance of the hotels around the downtown plaza?

Also, anymore recent info on massage places (FS) near downtown? Thanks

Mill Just
08-04-05, 08:52
Boy oh boy time really flies! Long time no see, pals,this is Miller2k. I was having some trouble with identity theft so I changed my name here, but I think the coast is clear now.

Munch,

I can give you the site of the street girls, but mind you I don't have a map in front of me at the moment.

The old bus terminal (el viejo Central Camionera) is on the street "Eduardo Ruiz." Ok, now you are facing the old bus terminal. At the end of the right side of the terminal there's a side street. (On the other side of the street, facing the side of the terminal, there is a sex shop that sells pornos, mags, etc. Try the flavored condoms-- the street girls are more likely to give you head just out of curosity).

So, now you go down the street between the terminal and the sex shop. (no streets are to be crossed---everything's on the same side of the street). You keep walking until you get to the next big street: That's "Avenida Heroes de Nocupetaro (sp)" Street names aren't made too clear, but you know you're there because there's a big flour (harina) factory across the coming and going lanes.

Now that you're facing the large avenue, turn to your right and walk about a half block, where I believe the avenue starts to divide up into 3 different roads. The street girls are lined up in front of a crappy hotel about 60 feet before the corner.

Come for the girls around 7 or 7:30, that's when the girls start arriving. You have a better chance of getting a young, cute girl before they get swept away. As said before in this section: after 10 the freaks come out. The girls all go to the bars and the trannies come out to play. Unless this is your thing or you like to watch drunken gay fist fights at midnight, stay away.

This place is within walking distance of the hotels by the Cathedral. I walk all the time, but beware because the return trip is almost all uphill!

For me, the escorts are the way to go if you are patient and willing to send a girl or two home. There are a lot of love motels on the outskirts of town to get a call girl. This is good if you are travelling with non-mongers or staying at a fancy hotel that won't let girls come up. I stayed recently at the "El Greco" motel on the way in from the airport. The price is 160 pesos per 12 hours and the motel is pretty clean and safe with 24 security at the drive in entrance. There are also a couple of titty bars within walking distance that I'll hit next time.

I've never heard of a massage parlor downtown. I doubt there are any because Morelia is making a concerted effort to preserve the historical downtown for tourism.

Hope I helped and didn't ramble too much. Let me know if you need anything else.

Still the Happiest Man Alive,

Miller2k

Munch Lunch
08-06-05, 01:13
The directions you gave are great; I'll have no problem finding the girls and I'll go early in the evening. I will also try "El Greco" (as you speak Spanish; I wonder if the name describes some of the sexual activites that go on in the hotel?...LOL!). Your right, the escorts are the way to go. But I just got to do a SW too, just to be naugthy. I will post the results when I get back.
Con aprecio, ML

Mill Just
10-26-05, 09:06
I bussed into Morelia one week late for the International Film Festival with my trusty Guia Turistica, Jose at my side. I found Jose at a tittie bar awhile ago in Ciudad Hidalgo cursing at one of the girls for cheating him out of 500 pesos. I liked his spunk and have had him beside me ever since. Anyway, I got 2 rooms at the "no questions asked" Hotel Morelia Imperial at 370 pesos per night. I asked for the most remote room in the hotel and got it, with Jose in the room next door.

We dropped our things off and took to the streets to see what we can get into. Morelia is getting really touristy and commercial and overcrowded. It's still a great place, but I see things probably changing for the worst within the next 7 or 8 years. I hope I'm wrong because this is my favorite city in Mexico by far for its reasonable prices, good service, friendly attitudes, nice night scene and its safety. The girls pass before you, each hotter than the last. This is a college town and reasonably easy to find yourself at a club surrounded by hot 18-22 year olds.

Cut to the chase (Eat and walk and drink and walk some more). I got "La Voz de Michoacan" newspaper and brought Jose with me back to the hotel. I decided on the familiar "Sin Limites" service that I've used many time before (165-64-08). I follow the advice of the man on the phone and go for the "Executive" girl at 1000 pesos per hour and another for my sidekick next door.

In about half an hour I get THE knock. The girls at the door look about the same so I choose mine and send the other one to Jose.

My girl was slim, light-skinned with curly, brown hair. Her name was Ruby. I was not impressed with her looks. I thought for 1000 an hour I would get a model-type as promised. In any case, we started the session with the standard covered blow job. I used an orange-flavored condom to spice things up a little. The BJ was just average and she had an issue with me putting my fingers inside her. I thought to myself "This is going to be a long hour." But she surprised me.

She did multiple positions and climbed around me like a spider monkey. I had her doggie, cowgirl, over the desk in the room, up against the wall, ass up against the mirror and we finally finished in missionary. She drained me! She worked out every bit of juice I had. We finished the hour in bed where she frightened me with her hatred of America rhetoric then she invited me to go dancing with her. I had another engagement, so I declined. I got a spooky vibe from her towards the end of the hour. I recommend Ruby for her acrobatic sex, but not for her looks or her politics.


That night I went with Jose to the Rockantina to see my friend Lalo's band. I got crocked and wound up puking up totopos on the floor of Jose's room.


The next afternoon I called another service "Ositas Candentes" from La Voz (372-74-21). I got quoted 600 pesos for 2 hours with a cute girl. I got two and when they arrived I sent the sluttier looking one to my guia turistica.


My girl, "Abigail" was heavy set and a mother of two (with a bit of a belly and some stretchmarks and tatoos that covered scars on her back), but she had a nice smile and an easy personality so I kept her. She gave an ok covered BJ using a strawberry-flavored condom and follwed it with doggie and reverse cowgirl to completion. We rested afterwards and then she suggested that we have sex again. This time she was wilder and grabbed and tickled my balls as she blew me. We then did reverse cowgirl and finally missonary. I recommend her for her eagerness and her very hot pussy and her "ball play." She isn't a very attractive woman, decent, but not a knockout.

That night I also got in touch with "Janeth," an outstandingly beautiful stripper that I dated for a short while a couple of years back. She never asks for cash, but I always give her some (500-800 pesos). She's my private stash, so I won't share. She did talk about escorting full-time so that she could have more time for herself. If she does this I will share her number. She is one of the best lays I've ever had in my life (pro or not). She's a tease and a very, very dirty girl. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. I need a cold shower now.

Then, after Janeth, I went to the Rockantina again where I astounded Jose by killing I-don't-know-how many-pitchers of beer. At 2 am we stumbled aside the Cathedral and got to "La Burbuja" restaurant for my traditional Cochinita Pibil burrito and tacos al pastor. 3 hours later those food stuffs were hanging all over my hotel bathroom toilet bowl, towel rack and shower door. I collapsed back into my bed and cursed the night.

I did my usual pass-by behind the bus terminal for the 2 days, but very few girls were outside. There was a new, very seedy bar next to the hooker hotel where you take the street girls. The rest of the SW's were probably in the bar, but from what I saw there wasn't much quality those nights inside or outside the bar.

So, in short, I went to Morelia for the film festival and left without seeing even one of the movies. I had a ticket in my pocket when I came back to Ciudad Hidalgo, but my weekend memory was burned with tequila and beer and I don't remember buying any tickets, just sitting next to the fountain in the Conservatorio de las Rosas, watching the red carpet and the tuxedos across the street.

With regards to the girls, I'm in the minority as I would prefer hot women who give mediocre service over mediocre women who give hot service. I would rather bone a lazy model than dog who tries hard. I got great service in Morelia from the 2 escorts I had, but want to know where the knock-outs are in my favorite Mexican city.


Have fun and be safe!

Miller2k

Dollar Bill
03-07-06, 01:18
Well I have reported in this section about my last 2 motorcycle trips to Morelia, so I figured I would report again - this time with photos!!!

On Saturday, I left Queretaro with a buddy from my motorcycle group. We wanted to do a little ride through the Sierra Mil Cumbres (thousand mountain peaks) in Michoacan to Morelia. The ride was extremely beautiful and uneventful.

We arrived to Morelia about 4 in the afternoon to very warm weather. There was some type of convention going on downtown so traffic was very heavy. We were tired from the ride and needed some food and a couple of beers to cool off. Downtown, across from the main church, there are many nice restaurants to choose from. We picked an upper scale place with tables outside. This was a great spot to watch the ladies walk by. We even had 2 hotties sitting at the table next to us.

After eating and enjoying out beers, I recommended going to find a place to stay for the night. I did a little ISG research before leaving and read my post from last spring. I had stayed at a love motel called "Motel Caribe" which was very close to the strip joints. (A report will be posted about that tomorrow).

The prices had gone up at the love motel and now it was $150 pesos per 12 hours vs. the $120 pesos from last year. We told the guy that we were going to stay about 14 hours instead and he said no problem. He even asked us if we wanted a chica. I had a newspaper with some ads in it for chicas so I told him that I was ok. (I will post some jpgs of the ads).

I called one ad. called "CIELO" (heaven) and told the guy what I was looking for small, slim, young, pretty. He said that he would bring a couple of chicas and if I did not like either of them, I was only obligated to pay the taxi.

He showed up with a couple of chicas. One was a 4 on my scale and the other a 6. Since I had more options (calling another agency) I gave him $50 pesos and told them no. I was looking for someone a little more to my liking. He said no problem.

I called another agency called ATENEA claiming $1000 pesos for 3 hours. The lady quoted me $1000 pesos per hour. I asked why her ad. said 3 hours and she said that the girl I wanted only did 1 hour for that same price. I said ok and if I did not like her, I would only pay the taxi. I wanted 2 pops and the full hour if I was going to pay the $1k and she said ok.

When the girl showed up, I really liked what I saw. She was small, cute, young, and thin. (My type).

I gave her the money and she went back downstairs and gave it to her "manager." I followed her and there was another girl down there also. Not what I liked and my buddy, who was staying in the room next to me, passed on the second one also. I gave him a look at mine though and he nodded his head with his approval.

When she was in the room, she said that she remembered me from last year. It was the same girl that I posted on in Spring of 2005. (how funny). She works for a completely different agency now, but it was the same girl. Her name is "Ruby" (working name).

I told her that I wanted 2 pops and she said one. I told her that the lady said 2. She said ok. We got into it pretty fast since I had popped a generic vitamin V that I bought in Colombia last month. It started off with some light kissing and some touching. We stripped down and moved to the bed. She grabbed the lubricated condoms I had laid out and proceeded to give me a CBJ. Since she was not all shaved up, I passed on the DATY but I guess I could have without problems. After only a couple of sucking, she moved to the cowgirl position and started riding me. I enjoyed this position very much and knew I was going to have a second chance for other positions, so I just let her do her "job".

After our first session ended with a pop (mine), I started taking some photos. She was embarrassed with them and deleted a bunch. She left one that did not show her face. I knew that would not be good enough for you guys, so I planned to pull out the camera again later.

About 10 minutes later, I was ready again and we started into our second session. Started again with a little CBJ, moving to cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, modified missionary (her legs together and mine outside of hers) (makes her pussy a little tighter IMHO), modified doggie (with her laying flat on her stomach, her legs together, and my legs outside of hers), then another form of modified doggie style with me standing on the floor and her legs together and her ass at the edge of the bed. Good session, but she was a little "sore" from the banging. I was trying but I could not get off again, and when her phone rang and she started talking to her boyfriend, I grabbed my camera for some more photos. She got off the phone and jumped into the shower. I finally got my facial pics for you guys. She is cute I think and even though her ID said that she was 18, she looked a little older.

She got cleaned up and left after about 59 minutes (I checked my watch). She was a clock-watcher for sure and I probably will not repeat with her again.

My buddy and I went out to the strip joints after that. I will be posting info on those also tomorrow.

Hope you enjoy the photos and the story!

$Bill

Dollar Bill
03-07-06, 01:42
Here are some ads that were in the local newspaper from Morelia. This info was printed on March 4th, 2006.

I called CIELO and the 2 chicas that showed up were not very pretty. (see post below).

I then called ATENEA and got a chica from there. (see post below).

$Bill

Dollar Bill
03-07-06, 02:05
This is info from Spring of 2005



Later on that night, I went to the following strip joints:

Exceso (or something like that)
50 pesos entrance fee
30 pesos beers
15-20 girls (where you can watch them in their dressing room)
180 pesos - table dances (1 song)
600 pesos - private (upstairs) no sex - 15 minutes
I chose the 600 peso option.
I left after about an hour to see another.

Manhattan
30 pesos entrance fee
? beer
10-15 girls (almost all taken by other customers)
Left after 1 beer and walking around to see the talent.

Mirage
? entrance
30 pesos beer
120 ladies drink
80 peso table dance
160 peso private (1 song)

$Bill

Information from March 2006

Excesso
Most upscale - best looking chicas (15-20 chicas)
Normally $50 pesos cover (waived by manager)
Beer - $50 pesos
Chica drink - $80 pesos single, $150 pesos double
Table dance - topless at table - $100 pesos x 3 minutes
"Sexy" dance - nude semi private - $200 pesos x 3 minutes
"Sexy" Privado - nude in private room - $800 pesos x 15 minutes (possibly??? DATY and CBJ)

Manhattan (same owners as Excesso)
less upscale - chicas better but not best (15-20 chicas)
no cover charge (or waived by manager)
no minimum consumption
Beer - $40 pesos
Table Dances - topless at table - $80 pesos x 3 mins
Table Dances - nude in semi private - $140 pesos x 3 mins
Table Dances - nude in private? room - $600 pesos x 15 minutes (possibly??? DATY and CBJ)

Mirage
less upscale - chicas ok but not best (10-15 chicas)
no cover charge (or waived by manager)
no minimum consumption
Beer - $35 pesos
Table Dances - topless at table - $80 pesos x 3 mins
Table Dances - topless in semi private - $130 pesos x 3 mins
Table Dances - topless in semi private - $600 pesos x 15 minutes ( I am not sure able anything included. I think just more time)
Salida - $700 pesos for house plus whatever girl wants. 1-2 hours.

Business cards are attached.

$Bill

Dollar Bill
03-07-06, 02:07
Guys,

Please see my FIRST post/report from March 6th for photos of a chica from Morelia. Other posts from that day are just info for you mongers!

Thanks!

$Bill

El Pato
03-09-06, 00:11
$ Bill

Morelia seems a little more costly than Cali, but the quality looks good.

Expert Joe
04-13-06, 01:02
Hi friends!

Any news about Jessica?, a skinny girl from Morelia. Is she still working in elegance?

Thanks

Mill Just
04-16-06, 08:30
jessica is retired and running a beauty salon in morelia. good for her, too bad for us. she was a real classy woman who always did a great job.

i last sessioned with her a long time ago and she was almost giddy about her then soon-to-be-retirement. escorting bought her a car, a house, a business and some money in the bank, but she was through.

by the way, i don't even think elegance is in business anymore. jessica was telling me last time that they had some problems with the policia for hiring an **** girl and since then they were being harrassed. elegance hasn't advertised in the newspaper here in a very long time. i'm not so sad about that because elegance's quality went downhill very quickly and they never tried to do anything about it.

stay safe and be happy,

miller2k

Mill Just
09-04-06, 08:14
Gave a call to the "Ositas Candentes" (372-74-21) escort service and got sent a girl for 2 hrs at a cost of 600 pesos (including taxi). I'm definitely uncovering a trend with regards to this agency: The girls are plain, but they are much nastier than the girls at the other services.

My girl, Mariana, was about 5ft 2in, had a fair face and big tits. Her body was decent, but a little on the heavy side. I was in a rush that night, so I didn't complain. This chick was a big time clock-watcher, even explaining to me that the 2 hrs mentioned wasn't ever the case and that we were just allowed one FS and then she had to go. Boy, if I wasn't in a rush she would've been out the window after hearing that. I made the most of it, though.

She did the usual: CBJ, Cowgirl, Miss. She wasn't too into it and you could almost hear her counting the minutes before she could leave. It was then that I decided to make a go of it and turn a clunker to a memorable experience. I asked her if I could cum on her face and to my surprise she said yes- very rare around these parts. I proceeded to shoot my load on her while she played with my balls. Afterwards, we showered together and we started grinding into one another until I came again- this time on her ass and lower back.

She split fast after that with barely a good-bye. I was proud of myself for turning a real dud of a night into something pretty nice.

So, from past experiences, the girls at "Ositas" are not as pretty as the ones from the other services, but they are alot more willing to get down and dirty.

Also, there is a casa de citas on Avenida Perriodismo (sp) about 2 blocks from the main offices of La Voz de Michoacan. I will report back with prices and an exact location when I get a chance to visit the place personally.

Mill Just
09-04-06, 08:32
Just thought I'd share info about another place where you can pick up some chicas.

The casino in Plaza Morelia is on the second floor and easily seen from the main entrance of the plaza. Go in that door and you'll see escalators to your left- go up and the place is called Yaks or something similar. It's a pretty small place- There are slot machines, a sports book, and a bingo parlor. The slots are pretty loose, by the way. It closes at 3am but I'm not sure when it opens.

Anyway, from around 1am and on there are a lot of strippers and call girls who come to play. I mean, the place is teaming with chicas! I was literally one of only 3 men there one morning. The chicas are strictly off-duty, but deals can be made and if you strike up a conversation, they will eventually make you an offer. I walked off with a white-hot blonde 2 nights ago for $700 pesos, plus taxi and some tacos. She was a fucking dynamo and she gave me her cell number which I proceeded to leave in my pants pocket while I washed clothes the next day. I really hope to see her again. Her name is Samantha and she was slender and had platinum-blonde straight hair, a pierced belly button and a tattoo of a lizard on her left shoulder. If you see her, snap her up and get her number (AND PASS IT ALONG TO ME!!!!)

Have fun and be safe...

Miller2k

Expert Joe
09-28-06, 21:25
Finally I found Jessica! Yes, she´s in a beauty salon, but she has a massage service too. I ask her for the special service (hand member massage and CBJ), it was expensive ($1000) but fantastic. She's the most pretty woman I have seen in Morelia! Her cell is 3107-1360

Expert Joe
09-28-06, 21:34
It seems that my report failed. Here comes again!

I found Jessica running a beauty salon. She has a massage service too. I ask her for the special one and she gave me a hand dick service and a great CBJ, I pay 1000, expensive but she´s one of the most pretty girls in Morelia: blond, great body a an excelent service. Her phone is 3107-1360.

Expert Joe
09-28-06, 22:52
Can't see my reports! Here we go again!

I found Jessica running a beauty and massage salon in Morelia. I aks her for a special service and gave me a manual and a CBJ for 1000, you may think is quite expensive, but she´s one of the most pretty blond girls in Morelia. Her phone is 3107-1360.

Bye!

Alber X
09-29-06, 20:28
Dear Joe,

Can you tell me the name of beauty and massage salon in Morelia?

I would like to see Jessica first, before calling her.

Thanks.

Expert Joe
10-03-06, 23:12
Albert X,

I don´t remember the salon´s name, but ask her for a hair cut, so you can talk and see her. The salon is in the Chapultepec area, near García de León.

Bye

Mill Just
10-09-06, 07:26
Howdy Boys,

It was with a heavy heart and a melancholy sigh that I departed Morelia today. I will be out of town for the next 3 months and am very sad to leave my favorite city in Mexico. I have an apartment there now and it hurts me all the more since I will be leaving my swinging bachelor pad for the less comforting "hotel in a small town" atmosphere, but oh well...

I passed by the SW section in the famous "behind the old bus terminal" area behind, well, the old bus terminal. I was pleasently surprised. There were a total of 6 girls there- 2 of which were solid 9's on the Street Girl scale (translating to a 6 or 7 in the real world). Definitely doable. I took "Jenny" up to the run-down hotel. The service was as expected for a SW: One position, nothing passionate, No oral, but she wasn't a clock watcher and we had a fairly long session. Overall, pretty good SW experience- in my top 3 best SW sessions. Charge was 60 pesos for the hotel plus 200 pesos for her. She is tall and slender with artificial golden-blonde hair. The other solid SW on scene was shorter, heavier, dark-haired and very popular.

I also went to a new bar and "table dance" club. I went there by accident because I just wanted to grab a quick beer before heading home (I live about 3 minutes from the strip club section of town, by the new Bus Terminal.) In the day, there is a bar upstairs where you can find girls and at 11pm they close to open the table dance downstairs. The quality of these girls is most definitely two noches below what you'll find in the classier strip clubs, but these girls are legitimate party girls who like to have a good time. I had more fun here, at a cheaper cost, than I ever had in Excesso, Mirage, Manhattan, JR's, etc. Beers were 20 pesos for you and 30 for the girl. The salida is 150 pesos for the bar and whatever price you set with the girl (between 400 and 700 pesos depending on how well you negotiate and how desperate the girl is). I met a girl there named Katia and she was the pick of the litter: Big chest, bleached hair and a cute-as-a-button face. Didn't go on a salida with her but got her number, took her to a movie and to a restaurant the next day and hit it for free. All in all Bar La Playa is a cozy place. The bartender is a really good guy, there is no pressure to buy, the prices are right and they have a kick-ass jukebox that plays 2 songs for 5 pesos. The Bar is located right next to the Motel Paraiso and a long block from the New Bus Terminal. It looks like a real dive- and it is, but in the quaint Mexican dive style and I guarantee that you'll be the only Gringo there. Be aware, though, that the number of girls on hand varies. It's open in the day so the girls come filtering in and out. Sometimes you'll see no girls and sometimes there'll be 8-10. It all depends. But even if there are no girls at the moment, its cool just to sit there with the chubby bartender and shoot the shit while listening to some tunes.

Well, that's all for now. I'm really going to miss Morelia for these next 3 months. If you haven't been here I really recommend it. The city is beautiful, the nightlife is superb, and the chicas are among the best you'll find anywhere, considering both looks and attitude.

Have Fun and Play Safe,

Miller2k

Alber X
10-18-06, 18:55
Mill Just,

Can you share with us katia's telephone number?

Regards

AlberX

Mill Just
01-02-07, 22:49
I was recently presented with a unique business opportunity and I need some info on the following company: Caribbean Corp. SA de CV (Elite Escorts Management).

I would appreciate hearing about any info you have on this company. Answer me here or PM me.

I will let you all know why I want to know this after I cross a few T's and dot a few i's.

Thanks in advance, brothers.

Mexican Perro
01-06-07, 05:47
Hi folks,

It is really interesting to see all your post. I am mexican and I live in Morelia, maybe you need some informartion from locals! I have living in Morelia 30 year I know perfect the city. Come on Gringos! There are a lot place to find girls not the ones you mention! Just ask!

Mill Just
01-07-07, 00:22
Hi folks,

It is really interesting to see all your post. I am mexican and I live in Morelia, maybe you need some informartion from locals! I have living in Morelia 30 year I know perfect the city. Come on Gringos! There are a lot place to find girls not the ones you mention! Just ask!

Hola Mexican Perro,

I also live, at least part-time, in Morelia. I'm not there now, though (I'll be back in Mid-February or early March). I've heard mixed reviews about the casa de citas on Perriodismo Ave. I've stayed away because some people have told me that the area has been pretty dangerous lately. Tell me what you know about that place and other casas de citas in Morelia. I also heard of one by Plaza Morelia.

I usually stick to ordering escorts and going with club girls just out of convenience. Why fix what's not broken? But I was curious about how the casas de citas compare.

Y bienvenido a nuestro rincon del cyberspace...

Mexican Perro
01-07-07, 01:43
Ok. There goes the information. Tha "casa de citas" you mention (avenida del periodismo) has aproximately 20 year working! In fact, it is the only casa de citas I have knew in Morelia. I do know if it is still working. I never been there , but I have close friends who did it (10 years ago) . The other one Plaza Morelia, it is interesting. I will investigate. THe best way to know about that places is to ask a Tax Driver. I am entirely sute they will know. And Mill, I tend to thnik that gringos are practical and smart! Be extremely cautious doing night life in Morelia!

Mill Just
01-07-07, 22:31
Ok. There goes the information. Tha "casa de citas" you mention (avenida del periodismo) has aproximately 20 year working! In fact, it is the only casa de citas I have knew in Morelia. I do know if it is still working. I never been there , but I have close friends who did it (10 years ago) . The other one Plaza Morelia, it is interesting. I will investigate. THe best way to know about that places is to ask a Tax Driver. I am entirely sute they will know. And Mill, I tend to thnik that gringos are practical and smart! Be extremely cautious doing night life in Morelia!


Thanks, Perro. I will investigate when I get to town and report here. The taxistas ARE the best source of information.

And with respect to danger in Morelia...It is almost completely safe for us hobbyists. I have been dead-drunk, staggering through the streets of Morelia in the middle of the night for almost 7 years now and have never once felt threatened. There have been problems recently in Morelia with some drug gangs from Monterrey trying to get a foothold in Michoacan, but these problems have not yet affected the general population. And the new president Calderon launched a huge campaign to cut down on the drug-related crime. In Morelia, as in most of the rest of Mexico, you'll only find problems when you look for them...

Gracias de nuevo, mi amigo, y espero que podemos tomar unas chelas frias algun dia y compartir historias de guerra...

Anakim Skywalker
01-31-07, 10:46
Here some pics of good escorts:

Stephany from SEXYS, Take a look:

Anakim Skywalker
01-31-07, 10:59
Cynthia From Sexys Girls!

For only $500 for two hours you can have this beauty.

Anakim Skywalker
02-01-07, 08:58
Take a look this is Dalia from Cielo; $800 for 2 hours.

Anakim Skywalker
02-01-07, 09:10
Her Name is Jaky, and you can have her for only $200.00 pesos for 2 hour.

She is very young but shes worrking, take a look!

Mill Just
02-01-07, 22:46
Thanks so much for posting these pics. Was Jaky a street girl from behind the old bus station?

With the escorts, I recommend sending the first one back and making them send a second choice. You'll get a much better quality girl.

Keep up the good work!

May the Force be with you...

Miller2k

Adelante Siempre
02-02-07, 08:08
Hope her work is not interfering with her senior year at the colegio...

Anakim Skywalker
02-02-07, 17:31
Her name is Tania, realname is Mago, and she can be yours for only $800 for 2 hours. She really likes to be Photographed.

Enjoy her!

Anakim Skywalker
02-02-07, 19:28
This girl is Daniela from Hemisohere agency, shes only 18 and you can have her for $700 for 2 hours, she can doit anal for $300 more. Enjoy Her.

And Jaky is not a streetwalker, she is a student in secundary grade, junior high school, and she works sometimes in Cielo Agency.

Enjoy this girl and have a good hunt!

Adelante Siempre
02-03-07, 07:12
Anakim,
Jaky is the hands down winner as far as I am concerned. I like here eyes too.

Anakim Skywalker
02-03-07, 17:55
This is Ely from Atenea, you can have her for $800 for 2 hours.

She's very hot in bed, and you can do anal to her for $400 more.

Enjoy Ely!

Louie OK
02-04-07, 03:36
Her Name is Jaky, and you can have her for only $200.00 pesos for 2 hour.

She is very young but shes worrking, take a look!200 MP ? Per hour ? WOW!
Yes, I must say that I like that kind of rate.
Here in Tijuana, 15-20 minutes is usually the best we can do.
I look forward to going south again!
Thanks Anakim

Mill Just
02-05-07, 08:56
And Jaky is not a streetwalker, she is a student in secundary grade, junior high school, and she works sometimes in Cielo Agency.



Secundary grade= From 13-16 years old here in Mexico. Very, very, illegaly young. Be careful, bro.

Adelante Siempre
02-06-07, 03:14
Look at that bush, I don't believe a beaver like that belongs to a 16 year old.
She may tell men that because that maybe what they want to hear. A bush like that on a 16 year old, I don't buy it. She is more like 17-18.

Flushy
02-08-07, 22:32
Hey guys,

Did anyone had luck with Jessica during the last few months?

Expert Joe
02-09-07, 18:49
She´s running a massage center, you can find her at "Esteticas". in La Voz. Now she´s Lizbeth. From my point of view she´s the best girl in Morelia, a real class girl.

Mill Just
02-12-07, 20:05
For those of you who care, the Elegance escort service which I raved about in the past, is still in business under a different name. The company is now called "New Imagen" and its listed in the La Voz de Michoacan newspaper alongside the other escort services.

The quality of the chicas had fallen in the last days of the old name due to some legal problems, but I recently had a chance to partake in their service again and it seems that they are back with the same quality girls.

When their service was good, nobody could touch them. They had chicas that were beautiful AND who liked their work (or at least gave that impression). They just get it. They understand what we mongers want. Lets hope that they keep up the good work.

I'll post a report soon.

P.S. And Jessica IS the goods. I never much liked the thin, small-chested blondes, but she was so good that I made her a regular. A real class act. This was something that Elegance was so good at- finding hot chicas who absolutely did not look like prostitutes. If we're talking about the same Jessica and she's still in the business, she's worth the money.

Expert Joe
02-15-07, 18:14
Yes, Lizbeth is the former Jessica, and she´s really a class girl. She gave me the best massage of my life! Find her phone at La Voz, Esteticas, LIZBETH.

Good look

Mill Just
03-09-07, 10:27
"Hot Lady's Club" (or something similar) is a new club, at least to me, that I've been visiting here in Morelia for the last few weeks. The place is like everything that's right about chica bars in Mexico. The atmosphere is excellent and non-pressure, as opposed to some of the "high-end" clubs. Chicas come out every 15 mins or so and do a strip routine while the other chicas sit in a bullpen section waiting for you to select them. That's the best part for me because what I hate most is when you're trying to watch the show and scout out the talents and get pestered every 5 minutes buy some girl looking for a drink or some boletero trying to hussle you into a privada. There was no pressure whatsoever and ,as a result, I made some excellent choices for chicas.

There are usually around 10-20 girls there, most solid 7's or 8's and some 6's and 5's thrown in for the locals (chicas gordas). The peronality of the chicas and the atmosphere of the place make up for the fact that there aren't any 10's on hand. The place is like a legitimate Mexican party zone and everybody seems to be having a blast. In between strippers, the customers even take their chicas on stage to do some dancing. I always have a great time there and it really stands in contrast to some of the higher-end clubs where the chicas are gorgeous, but the prices really prohibit most people from having a good time over a very long period of time. In contrast, I usually spend about 5 hours at the "Hot Lady's Club" and have never spent over 1,500 pesos. (my average is about 900 pesos). It is located on the street "Periferico Paseo de la Republica," right next to the Exesso club. The entrance is shaped like a big champagne bottle.

Beers are 25 pesos for us and 50-100 pesos for the chicas. Another cool thing is that the girls drink beers, which are opened right at the table. This makes the girl stay longer at your table since she is sipping real alcohol as opposed to the watered-down, sugar water that is usually called a "chica drink." By the end of the night, the chicas are tipsy and even more uninhibited! Privadas cost 100 pesos and last 3 mins and there are many 2 for 1 privada promotions. Sex is available on-site and usually quoted at 1,000 pesos for a half hour, but the price quickly bottoms out at 500 pesos after you prove to not be a dumb gringo. Salidas are also available to those who become "trustable" clients. Not sure what the price is, though, since I just make arrangement for meeting the girls after hours.

I have met "Jenny" outside the club a few times already. She is an adorable blonde chica who is really a legit GFE. Aside from the sex, I like her company and I choose to see her on real dates to the movies or a museum. One would never guess that she bumps and grinds on guys' crotches for a living! That's the one thing that sets Morelianas apart from other chicas-for-hire I've been with in Mexico. They act just like regular Mexican women. They are usually so willing to let down their guard and behave like just any normal girl on a date. But once the curtains are drawn....

Everyday living in Morelia has been a blessing. Thank you God for putting Morelia in my path and Thank you chicas for being so beautiful and compassionate and horny beyond belief...

Ardy1473
03-10-07, 00:50
Thanks for the post Mill Just. This is exactly the type of place I love in Mexico, a place where I can stay for a long period of time get somewhat sloshed (and laid) and not spend a shitload of money. I'm going to Morelia for the 1st time in June. Very helpful info I'll definitely check it out.

Mill Just
03-15-07, 12:45
Heya kiddies, I ran into a new SW area here in Morelia. It is on the "Periferico Paseo de la Republica" street between the Construrama and the pedestrian crossing bridge (on the same side of the street as the Construrama).

On Sunday at about 7 pm, I saw 4 really hot chicas soliciting customers. These girls were outstandingly hot (the best SWs I have ever seen, Period!) They had to be bar girls looking to make some money on their night off. Whatever the case, I just had to partake.

I stopped and was quoted 700 pesos for a half hour, FS and Covered BJ. No matter how I tried, I couldn't negotiate down. I weighed the options of overpaying with the fact that these girls were smokin' hot and let "Little Mill Just" make the decision. I chose a short, well-proportioned morena named Sara and off we went to one of the many Motels de paso within a block.

The service was not rushed and very good overall, although the BJ could've been better. Sara stayed the full 30 mins and didn't want to give me her cell number :(

In total, I payed 880 pesos, including the motel and it was worth it. I ordered a pizza afterwards and stayed in the motel for a couple more hours before going back home. Nice night.

I'm not sure if these chicas are standing outside everyday or just sundays, but I would act fast because who knows how long they'll be there. I just can't see the clubs and bars allowing chicas to steal potential customers away from them. Enjoy.

Solenium
03-19-07, 19:44
Her Name is Jaky, and you can have her for only $200.00 pesos for 2 hour.

She is very young but shes worrking, take a look!Nice dude, how can contact her?

MonterreyDude
03-25-07, 07:56
Mil,
Seems to be a broken link in our communications chanell.
I have replied to your PMs, but it seems you haven't read a single one of mine...
No problem, I'll post them here so you can read them with your respective PM inclusive so you won't get mixed up with my responses.
No trouble at all....
But anyway, It's OK if you read only the last one, (Tus Fotos)... I'll be satisfied with that one...

Ps: your thought on Mexico City is quite correct.... Incredible big city and nothing going on.

Mill Just
03-26-07, 02:33
Mil,
Seems to be a broken link in our communications chanell.
I have replied to your PMs, but it seems you haven't read a single one of mine...
No problem, I'll post them here so you can read them with your respective PM inclusive so you won't get mixed up with my responses.
No trouble at all....
But anyway, It's OK if you read only the last one, (Tus Fotos)... I'll be satisfied with that one...

Ps: your thought on Mexico City is quite correct.... Incredible big city and nothing going on.

Welcome to the Morelia section of the ISG. Good to have you aboard. And there indeed is a broken link in our communications because I HAVE read your PM's. I have no idea why your computer hasn't registered them as being read. I just haven't responded because I had nothing in response to what you wrote. You have your story and you're sticking to it ;)

MonterreyDude
03-26-07, 04:31
Very well sir, I'll leave it like that....
And not considering any past post or PM between us, I still agree in your assessment of Mexico City.... something that someone somewhere else does not.



Welcome to the Morelia section of the ISG. Good to have you aboard. And there indeed is a broken link in our communications because I HAVE read your PM's. I have no idea why your computer hasn't registered them as being read. I just haven't responded because I had nothing in response to what you wrote. You have your story and you're sticking to it ;)

Mill Just
03-26-07, 09:07
I have written a lot in this section about Morelia and the mongering scene here. As an American living in Morelia I feel that I have a certain insight as to this scene and how an American would see it. One thing, though, that I have omitted is a post on the psychology of the working chicas and what you might expect from them if you come to my neck of the woods. Usually, I stick to logistics info and don't like to go off on tangents that only serve to clutter the board, but this might directly benefit those of you who come down to Morelia.

First, you have to know that Morelia is not a pussy factory like at the border. There is plenty of quality women to be had, but it requires a little more work on your part. Here is my overview on the strip club/ bar scene in Morelia:

There are many strip clubs and chica bars in the city- actually a disproportionate amount- of all types and classes. I prefer the middle of the road clubs because the prices are right and the chicas are a lot more accommodating. Familiarity is a big key on getting a salida at the strip clubs. The girls need to trust and/or know you for you to get anywhere with most of them. Unless you have great game, look like Brad Pitt or are willing to spend a lot of cash don't expect a lot from the girls. Of course, they will sit with you at the club and let you fondle them, give you incredibly hot privadas and perhaps give you FS or a CBJ in a private room, but the salidas are reserved for those who the girls know and trust. Some chicas will even deny a newbie FS or a CBJ at the club because "they don't do that- they just dance." Believe me, I was told the same thing when I was a newbie, but years later I was getting FS and BBBJ during the privadas by the same girls that had rejected my offers months earlier. Regardless what a chica working at a strip club says, EVERY one of them provides FS. It's just a matter of knowing what their price is and knowing what they want to hear.

Morelia is not a small town, it is a growing metropolis, about the size of Detroit (and it is growing at a larger rate than most Mexican cities), but many of the chicas retain a sort of small town girl attitude. This is both good and bad. The bad is that the girls are slow to trust you. They are slow to open up with you as a foreigner, thus kind of limiting the level of GFE sex you can get from them. The good is that these girls usually aren't mercenaries like in Mexico City, the Beaches and the Border. The few who do try to employ these mercenary strategies , are not very good at it. They will usually melt under the negotiating skills of an experienced monger. I've gotten prices dropped from 1000 to 500 pesos with just one try. Another good thing about some of the girls' hometown attitude is that once you're in good with them, you will get great GFE. Sometimes too great and they won't leave you alone, but that's a problem most of us can happily deal with :)

Seriously, though, some of these girls are very quick to latch on to you as a legit girlfriend. I'm not the most handsome guy in the world, but I'm fairly young and have a good job and there was a time when I was literally crawling with chicas form the clubs who wanted to take me out off the clock. Basically, unlike some of their counterparts in the sex trade in other areas of Mexico, they mostly do not see themselves as sex workers and they don't see the sex profession as a long term deal. Many of these girls see a young, single gringo living in their hometown as way to a better life. After a few bad experiences, I limited myself to just a group of my favorites and am just friends with most of them...friends with benefits, of course ;) I don't usually report on my personal exploits with my "friends" because this is not attainable to most people who just come to town for 2 or 3 days. I live here and have been able to cultivate my contacts and strategies over the course of 7 years. Some of the people from this board who have stayed for a week or 2 in Morelia, have begun to cultivate some personal relationships with the girls. This is much more common here than in the other parts of Mexico that I've visited where the chicas are so eager to get out the door to get their next client. I'm speaking in generalities, of course, because there are all kinds of chicas in Morelia- I'm just talking about the general trend that I've seen based on my experiences.

So, when it comes to the club girls, you really have to put in some time and effort before you get salidas and possible GFE from them. But when you do....it's well worth it. But for those of you who come to town for 2 or 3 days every 6 months or so, there really isn't the time to cultivate a relationship with a chica. That's why I usually recommend the escort services for my mongering brothers who visit Morelia. They are a sure bet and, in the long run, a more economical option (i.e. no chica drinks, no privadas to pay, etc.) Escorts will run you between 400-1000 per hour. The highest recommendation by me is the New Imagen escort service (formerly Elegance). They have the hottest and most customer-oriented chicas.

In summary, if you're in town for a short time and want to get laid, call the escort services in La Voz de Michoacan newspaper and you won't be disappointed, but if you have the time and intent to build a working relationship with a chica- visit the strip clubs or chica bars. With little effort you'll get laid in the low-end and mid-range clubs and over time and with a little patience, you'll get the GFE.

You've never really been loved until you've been loved by a Moreliana...It's well worth the wait.

Take Care and Have Fun

Mexican Perro
03-28-07, 04:44
Mill:

It is true what you wrote in your last post. Even tough I have a naked opinion about that girls. In 90 percent of cases they are single mother who find easier to work in club than to have a regular job in Morelia, regularly a bad pay job. Times I have talked with them I finish with a feeling of sad ad pitty about them. Sure they want a youn gringo like you Mill, they want to jump up their situation! Honestly I prefer to see them more with a mercenary attitude than a parroquial vision of their work.

Mill Just
03-28-07, 08:24
Mill:

It is true what you wrote in your last post. Even tough I have a naked opinion about that girls. In 90 percent of cases they are single mother who find easier to work in club than to have a regular job in Morelia, regularly a bad pay job. Times I have talked with them I finish with a feeling of sad ad pitty about
them. Sure they want a youn gringo like you Mill, they want to jump up their situation! Honestly I prefer to see them more with a mercenary attitude than a parroquial vision of their work.


Hola mi amigo Perro, I guess it all depends on what you look for and what mood you're in at the moment. The mercenary attitude usually gets you rushed, mediocre service, but sometimes you do just want a mechanical quickie. Other times you want the GFE that can be had by hooking up with a chica who wants to impress you. A married man might want the former and a single guy, like me, may choose the latter.

A good portion of the chicas, after a session , have invited me to go eat with them or to a dance club. Sometimes I accept and sometimes I don't - it all depends on the quality of the chica and the mood I'm in. I guess what I'm trying to say is "Different Strokes for Different Folks."

Mill Just
03-31-07, 09:49
A constant debate that has rattled around the ISG for seemingly forever is the one about how many, if any, chicas drinks should one buy. Well here is my take:

I say that you should never buy more than one chica drink for any one chica until you get what you want (sex!).

The truth is that every gringo coming to a strip club or chicas bar in mexico is regarded as a sucker. Period. Let's face the fact that there are enough gullible gringos out there in every Mexican city who gladly throw money around and overpay to the extreme just because they are so happy to not be in a US strip club.

So, right off the bat, we are working at a disadvantage. That's why we have to approach the whole process of finding the right chica for FS with a kamikaze strategy. In an out, get what you want and leave- and show no weakness.

If I see a new girl at a club that catches my eye, I immediately ask her to come over and have a drink with me. I almost never invite a girl who approaches me for a drink. Too mercenary. I observe how she drinks the drink. A guzzle and a plea for another gets her pretty ass booted. If she lets you fondle and grope to your heart's content, that is a good sign. Personally, I'm not one of those guys who gropes a girl at the table, but simple hand-holding and kisses on the cheek will let me know if this girl is a keeper or a dead fish. Anyway, if the chica doesn't chug her sugar water, I ask for a privada. If the privada is hot and I'm allowed a lot of physical contact, she is usually a keeper and I try to go in for the kill (aka the FS or salida). If I can;t get anything from this chica, I will cut her loose before she has a chance to order another drink. In this case, you are down 200 pesos, but at least you got a good privada and some intimate time with the chica. Then you can move on to the next chica and try the same process.

These girls are very good at milking you for money and they will hint at sex forever so that you can keep buying them drinks and getting privadas. Believe me, if you can't get a firm commitment from them about sex in the time it takes to drink a chica drink and give a privada, then it most probably will not be worth the time. Then again, if you like the girl's company and don't care about FS, buying drinks might be the way to go. I know there have been time where I've bought a chica several drinks or a pitcher so that we can continue talking...some girls are special like that.

The real key to getting laid and getting out is to tip the boleteros and/or waiters generously. Give them a big taste up front and promise to give some more on the way out. Upon entering a new club, I tip the friendliest looking boletero 200 pesos and whisper in his ear that I'm looking to get laid and who are the chicas who give FS and/or go on salidas- and that you will give him another generous tip if you leave the club happy ;) . The greed usually takes them over and you get presented a steady stream of FS-friendly chicas. You just saved some money and a whole lot of time in finding the chicas who will put out quickly. I almost never get shafted by these boleteros because I am a very generous and discreet tipper. And, even if these guys just give me the runaround, I really didn't lose that much money. But 99% of the time they direct me right to the loosest of the loose. It's also a good method to pit two boleteros against each other by saying that you're looking for a good FS provider and that you'll give another big tip to the one who finds that special chica for you. The competition will make them work harder and more seriously.

Also, another key to not spendng a lot on chica drinks is to go to the lower-end clubs where the drinks are cheaper and being a gringo may work to your benefit. Not many gringos go to these clubs and upon entering they will have the thought of, "How odd, a gringo, lets see where we can go with this" instead of "Gringo! Lets get him!" While the quality of chicas is, obviously, not as good in the lower-end clubs, there will be less pressure for you to buy and more incentive for the chicas to put out faster. The high-end girls can live off the money they get from drinks, privadas and only the occasional FS or BJ. The lower-end chicas have to rely more on the sex because the drinks are less expensive and there are fewer customer in their clubs. They must hustle a little more. And, even though I say "low-end" chicas, there are many stunners in these clubs who could probably work for some of the mid or high-end clubs.

Well, those are my thoughts on the subject- the thoughts of a cheapskate w h o r e monger who wants to achieve the goal of getting laid at every strip club in Morelia...

Let's hear other philosophies on the whole drink buying thing. What other methods work for you?

Have Fun and Be Safe,

Miller2k

Member #3453
04-05-07, 14:01
I agree with your post completely...

Why spend a lot of money on drinks when you just don't know if you will ever really get anything more than a peck on the cheek? I like to primarily utilize the privados first, even before buying them a drink.

I understand the natural aversion to them approaching you for drinks, that it's a good sign that they are just too mercenary.

Many times, when they approach me, and if they have the look I like, I will stand up and lead them immediately to the privados (50 pesos) in lieu of a first drink, realizing that they may be the mercenary type. But, sometimes, even when they are mercenary, they are still good at their jobs...rare but sometimes. If they are decent in the privados first, then I might graduate to a drink or two to make friends. And, if they are proven providers, I will patronize them in the clubs both with drinks and with privados. That is part of the game...keeping them interested.

Within the privados, I get everything out of the way...Hace Salidas?, How Much?, When?, How Long? What they Like and Don't Like?...and the biggest question of all...Is there any chemistry for GFE?

At least I can hear them in the privados. In my neck of the woods, it's so noisy in most of the strip clubs that I can't usually hear them anyway, so buying them drinks has little value in actually determining their potential. Within the privados the interviewing process is much more productive.

But, the down side is, I probably spend the same, or possibly even more money on them, usually over a shorter period of time, unless they drink really fast, by using the privados compared to buying them several drinks. But, it's usually time well spent in the privados versus on drinks. It's seemingly more efficient at determining their potential without wasting time.


A constant debate that has rattled around the ISG for seemingly forever is the one about how many, if any, chicas drinks should one buy. Well here is my take:

I say that you should never buy more than one chica drink for any one chica until you get what you want (sex!).

The truth is that every gringo coming to a strip club or chicas bar in mexico is regarded as a sucker. Period. Let's face the fact that there are enough gullible gringos out there in every Mexican city who gladly throw money around and overpay to the extreme just because they are so happy to not be in a US strip club.

So, right off the bat, we are working at a disadvantage. That's why we have to approach the whole process of finding the right chica for FS with a kamikaze strategy. In an out, get what you want and leave- and show no weakness.

If I see a new girl at a club that catches my eye, I immediately ask her to come over and have a drink with me. I almost never invite a girl who approaches me for a drink. Too mercenary. I observe how she drinks the drink. A guzzle and a plea for another gets her pretty ass booted. If she lets you fondle and grope to your heart's content, that is a good sign. Personally, I'm not one of those guys who gropes a girl at the table, but simple hand-holding and kisses on the cheek will let me know if this girl is a keeper or a dead fish. Anyway, if the chica doesn't chug her sugar water, I ask for a privada. If the privada is hot and I'm allowed a lot of physical contact, she is usually a keeper and I try to go in for the kill (aka the FS or salida). If I can;t get anything from this chica, I will cut her loose before she has a chance to order another drink. In this case, you are down 200 pesos, but at least you got a good privada and some intimate time with the chica. Then you can move on to the next chica and try the same process.

These girls are very good at milking you for money and they will hint at sex forever so that you can keep buying them drinks and getting privadas. Believe me, if you can't get a firm commitment from them about sex in the time it takes to drink a chica drink and give a privada, then it most probably will not be worth the time. Then again, if you like the girl's company and don't care about FS, buying drinks might be the way to go. I know there have been time where I've bought a chica several drinks or a pitcher so that we can continue talking...some girls are special like that.

The real key to getting laid and getting out is to tip the boleteros and/or waiters generously. Give them a big taste up front and promise to give some more on the way out. Upon entering a new club, I tip the friendliest looking boletero 200 pesos and whisper in his ear that I'm looking to get laid and who are the chicas who give FS and/or go on salidas- and that you will give him another generous tip if you leave the club happy ;) . The greed usually takes them over and you get presented a steady stream of FS-friendly chicas. You just saved some money and a whole lot of time in finding the chicas who will put out quickly. I almost never get shafted by these boleteros because I am a very generous and discreet tipper. And, even if these guys just give me the runaround, I really didn't lose that much money. But 99% of the time they direct me right to the loosest of the loose. It's also a good method to pit two boleteros against each other by saying that you're looking for a good FS provider and that you'll give another big tip to the one who finds that special chica for you. The competition will make them work harder and more seriously.

Also, another key to not spendng a lot on chica drinks is to go to the lower-end clubs where the drinks are cheaper and being a gringo may work to your benefit. Not many gringos go to these clubs and upon entering they will have the thought of, "How odd, a gringo, lets see where we can go with this" instead of "Gringo! Lets get him!" While the quality of chicas is, obviously, not as good in the lower-end clubs, there will be less pressure for you to buy and more incentive for the chicas to put out faster. The high-end girls can live off the money they get from drinks, privadas and only the occasional FS or BJ. The lower-end chicas have to rely more on the sex because the drinks are less expensive and there are fewer customer in their clubs. They must hustle a little more. And, even though I say "low-end" chicas, there are many stunners in these clubs who could probably work for some of the mid or high-end clubs.

Well, those are my thoughts on the subject- the thoughts of a cheapskate w h o r e monger who wants to achieve the goal of getting laid at every strip club in Morelia...

Let's hear other philosophies on the whole drink buying thing. What other methods work for you?

Have Fun and Be Safe,

Miller2k

Member #3453
04-05-07, 14:46
i have often wondered what percentage of the female population in mexico has turned a trick or two in their lives, during the period of their lives when they were desireable young girls.

i have heard it said when having this kind of discussion, a comparison between what motivates our "amigas," versus the way the good girls conduct themselves, that most of the female population of mexico do not and have never prostituted themselves.

i've heard it said that the deeply conservative attitudes of mexican society keeps a huge majority of mexican girls from even considering such a vocation, whether they are single mothers having diffucult circumstances or not.

i agree that many girls are single mothers, and that many of them say they do it for the kids, sick mothers/fathers, younger brothers and sisters, etc...but, how many of the "good girls" in mexican society have the same sets of circumstances, but refuse to prostitute themselves, instead choosing to live their lives in accordance with society's expectations of them?

i have a personal conflict, one in which i have a huge amount of compassion for the pros i know and like. but, at the same time, i also realize that if my theories about them are true, and i can truly understand what kinds of events in their lives have brought them to a decision to prostitute themselves, then perhaps i can also provide them, through the quality of my approach to them, something that will also naturally translate into gfe for me.

i always try to understand what actually motivates the girls beyond the obvious. there is much more that motivates them beyond the obvious financial opportunities, something emotional. either that, or all the female population of mexico would be hookers on account of need.

it has been my experience that while the girls say they prostitute themselves for "virtuous" reasons, such as family, they're actually doing so as a result of their being emotionally damaged goods. they have decided that their virtuosity is of no value, usually the result of ruined relationships where they have given up all hope of ever being fulfilled in their lives, deciding instead to use their physical assets to make life a little easier in lieu of anticipating a potentially satisfying love life.

anyway, i attempt to dig deeper so that the quality of our encounters have something more meaningful in it for them, something that perhaps satsifies the void within them, the void that motivates them to enter a business that is otherwise austensibly stauchly avoided by their peers....

unless, of course, the theory is true that most mexicanas are actually hookers at some point in their lives due to financial need, a circumstance that i have been assured by most mexicanos is not the case.

if my theories about emotionally damaged goods being the primary cause of their decisions to prostitute themselves is true, over and above financial need, and that such a circumstance is the potential psychological key to exceptional gfe, then delving into their psychology is of huge paramount importance in cultivating gfe.

anyway, even though i feel sorry for them, i see no reason why, if they have made their decision to prostitute themselves anyway, that it can't be a win/win situation. they get my money, and, if my theories are correct, they also get something emotionally nurturing that might be a little more than the average girl is expecting. i get a nice gfe, perhaps one that has a little more sincerity than the average encounter, and sometimes a lot more.

most girls are beyond reach. most have erected a wall to protect them from any vulnerability. but, some are still emotionally reachable, and can be romanced. those are the girls i search for. they are not commonly found, and they required a lot of work. but, ultimately, they are as close to a "real girlfriend" as you will ever get with a hooker.

that is the ultimate gfe. i believe that horny and emotionally committed hooker is so much more skilled with respect to all things sexual. gfe with a sincerely emotionally committed hooker is better than you will typically experience with a "good girl" girlfriend, imho.

mexican girls, with respect to sexuality and personality, put most norte americanas to total and complete shame in almost every respect concerning the way they handle their sexuality. even when i compare the quality of the hookers of mexico to the hookers of north america, there is still no comparison in the superior attitude and performance of mexican hookers versus the ones in the us.

but, that having been said, it makes it also seem that perhaps mexican girls are signficantly more open to contemplating the "professional" life than the girls of north america. does that mean they all experience a higher percentage of failed relationships compared to their peers in north america?

you see, i hear them articulate the reasons they do what they do, but i do not believe them. not that they are lying, but they are justifying their behavior with their own sense of virtuosity, so they feel better about what they do. their reasons are much more intrinsic, part of their emotional vulnerability. they are not really, imho, doing it for virtuous reasons...it is much deeper than that, and not nearly as altruistic as it may appear.

that is why, if i have feelings of compassion for them, it is not compassion for their financial need, but compassion that they have felt the need to abandon their virtuosity for reasons that are emotionally deep within them. i feel sorry for them because they are lost souls, in need of a nurturing environment, and environment that illudes them, or one that they have apparently not experienced, one that they have given up all hope in finding.

so, what percentage of the attractive girls of mexico peddle themselves in some form or another during the times in their lives when they are most attractive? and, of that percentage that chooses to do so, what percentage of them are actually doing it out of need versus convenience, lazyness, greed, lust, emotional void, etc...i don't really know the answer.

and, while mj says that these kinds of issues are not generally a topic he typically brings up, it is a topic that is absolutely the gyst of everything to do with gfe...understanding what motivates the girls.

he is right in pointing out that to the average visitor who only occassionally enters into a particular mongering venue, these issues are of little value. because, you have to be within an environment long enough to actually know the girls to some extent. but, for those that are seeking gfe opportunties, and for those that regularly visit a specific single venue for more than a few days, these issues are at the core of actually realizing and experiencing gfe to its fullest potential.

mj, your posts are sounding more and more like mine...only from a very enlightened and legitimate perspective this time...thanks for the stimulating and interesting posts. now...i will shut up :-) sorry to go on too long again.


mill:

it is true what you wrote in your last post. even tough i have a naked opinion about that girls. in 90 percent of cases they are single mother who find easier to work in club than to have a regular job in morelia, regularly a bad pay job. times i have talked with them i finish with a feeling of sad ad pitty about them. sure they want a youn gringo like you mill, they want to jump up their situation! honestly i prefer to see them more with a mercenary attitude than a parroquial vision of their work.

Mill Just
04-05-07, 20:55
Nice to see you here, UNO, I hope we're not just a passing fancy :)

Let me address a few things that you said in your last two posts :


At least I can hear them in the privados. In my neck of the woods, it's so noisy in most of the strip clubs that I can't usually hear them anyway, so buying them drinks has little value in actually determining their potential. Within the privados the interviewing process is much more productive.Actually, that's one of the reasons I prefer the lower-end clubs as opposed to the high-end ones. They simply don't have the sound system to drown you and your chica out. In some low-end bars here in Morelia there is little, if any music because there is only a jukebox. These are nice places to get to know a chica, although the chicas are not A+ material always.


I've heard it said that the deeply conservative attitudes of Mexican society keeps a huge majority of Mexican girls from even considering such a vocation, whether they are single mothers having diffucult circumstances or not.

I agree that many girls are single mothers, and that many of them say they do it for the kids, sick mothers/fathers, younger brothers and sisters, etc...but, how many of the "good girls" in Mexican society have the same sets of circumstances, but refuse to prostitute themselves, instead choosing to live their lives in accordance with society's expectations of them?

Most girls are beyond reach. Most have erected a wall to protect them from any vulnerability. But, some are still emotionally reachable, and can be romanced. Those are the girls I search for. They are not commonly found, and they required a lot of work. But, ultimately, they are as close to a "real girlfriend" as you will ever get with a hooker.

So, what percentage of the attractive girls of Mexico peddle themselves in some form or another during the times in their lives when they are most attractive? And, of that percentage that chooses to do so, what percentage of them are actually doing it out of need versus convenience, lazyness, greed, lust, emotional void, etc...I don't really know the answer. Of course, the vast majority of Mexican girls would never even consider being a prostitute. But, as I'm sure you've discovered during your many trips to Mexico, the Mexican morality is a lot more complicated and multi-layered than our anglo-saxon, puritanical, black and white morality. For example, a woman can prostitute herself, but not BE a prostitute; One can steal and not BE a thief.

Here in Mexico, a lot more emphasis is put on how something LOOKS and not always how something IS. The social structure is so static and important to the Mexican psyche that everything one does must not permit others to see you as "less" or as a deviant. Using the same rational, a succesful man MUST dress and act a certain way, otherwise, despite his bank account or accomplishments, he is NOT succesful. This really should be talked about in another section, but let's leave it at the fact that appearance is everything here in Mexico and those women who are known prostitutes already know that they are pariahs and misfits- that's why they are so willing to latch onto an American or European man who, aside from not sharing the same morality as the Mexican people, they also don't know the woman and don't know that she has been declared undesirable by society at large.

However, what about the normal woman here in Mexico? The vast majority of the women have never and would never sell themselves, but many more have done it than one would expect.

In my seven years here, I have had a few encounters of P4P that were with oridinary Mexican women. In my first couple of months here, a beautiful college-aged girl came to my house to have some idle "chit-chat." She began talking about how she needed money for a dress and that her family wouldn't get it for her. Well, one thing led to another and we had sex that day in my house. Afterwards, she asked for the money for the dress. I gave it to her just assuming that she was a hooker, but as I discovered more about my neighbors, I discovered that she was just an ordinary girl from a decent, middle-class family. Actually, she just gor married a couple of years ago- in a white dress!

Now, why did she do it? Maybe it was because she needed the money, wanted to get it quick and picked me as an outsider, with a limited knowledge of the language at the time, who wouldn't look down on her as much as a Mexican man would. Maybe, since I was outside the social structure, I would not "rat her out" or spread the word about her activities. Who knows? But I have experienced similar incidences since then, all with girls that would be considered normal, non-pro, girls.

This is not to say that normal Mexican girls are less moral. Actually, from my experiences, I would say that there is very little difference between them and other girls from other parts of the world. It's just the psyche that is different. A Mexican girl needs to be assured that her image is clean to the outside world and what goes on behind closed doors is secondary.

Many working chicas, on the other hand, see us a way to be treated like a regular, moral lady. Of course, some are heartless and cruel, but many will respond to kindness in a way most prostitues won't.

I really regard Morelia as a sort of minor league for mongering in the sense that these are usually corn-fed chicas just working on their game and without a lot of the mercenary attitude that the old pros, who see a dozen or more men a day, have refined. The mercenary chicas in Morelia have usually been imported from the border, Mexico City or Guadalajara. The Morelianas are usually more laid-back and "lady-like." This attitude makes Morelia ripe with GFE, its just that you really have to work at getting it. But that "work" is half the fun, verdad? ;)

Well, at least, that's this gringo's take on things.

Have fun

Mexican Perro
04-08-07, 20:56
Mill and Unsponged:

It is really interesting to read your post! I just arrived from Las Vegas, ( I did not see action, just lose some money!) so I have to do other things before give you a long, long post about what you said. But I am certainly true about one thing. Chicas in Morelia have a double face personality, they want to be putas y señoritas at the same time. This is what made morelianas so interesting and fascinating not only for you, but for everybody! Be happy and safe.

Mexican Perro.

Anakim Skywalker
04-08-07, 21:06
Hi Guys,

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www.moreliaescorts.com

Enjoy it friends!

Member #3453
04-17-07, 12:55
I want to hear more about the girls of Morelia. It is sometimes difficult to describe intrinsic differences in the attitude of girls from different parts of Mexico. I find it very difficult to articulate what makes one classification of girl different and preferable to another. I find that words are not usually sufficient to describe what makes certain categories of girls more GFE than others.

The girl I am seeing now in Monterrey is from San Luis Potosi. She is a "country girl" I am told. I once asked her if she has a rural accent, much like the "farm girls" or "country girls" in the USA. She told me that she does, and that it is sometimes difficult for some to understand in Monterrey. My Spanish is too elementary for me to discern the difference in her dialect.

I get the impression that she believes her dialect really gives her away, and that the mere difference between the way she speaks and the way urban girls speak might have a tendency to isolate her somewhat.

All this is conjecture on my part. I am merely applying my own hunches with respect to the class issues that differentiate the people in Mexico from one another, and to an extent isolate them socially.

But, what intrigues me is the GFE potential from other girls that might have a similar background to my GFE girl in Monterrey.

I have one other GFE girl that displays very similar qualities as well, and she is also from San Luis Potosi, which suggests a trend that might be worthy of inclusion into one's selection criteria. This second girl is really screwed up (aren't they all), but she has a much sweeter personality than you might find among some of the urbanite bar girls in Monterrey.

My experience is that this brand of "sweetness" is seemingly almost a guarantee of superior performance. And, unless I am totally off base, the sweetness feature seems to be more prolific from the rural girls. My girl in Monterrey has a couple of years under he belt at El Infinito, but that does not seem to have affected her manner or spoiled her personality, which one would assume would be the natural course of events. I am starting to conclude that the differentiating factor might be their rural upbringing.

The possibilities that might be inherent, exploring rural Mexico, intrigue me. I realize that Morelia is a relatively large city, but perhaps its inhabitants consist of larger numbers of country girls.




Nice to see you here, UNO, I hope we're not just a passing fancy :)

Let me address a few things that you said in your last two posts :

Actually, that's one of the reasons I prefer the lower-end clubs as opposed to the high-end ones. They simply don't have the sound system to drown you and your chica out. In some low-end bars here in Morelia there is little, if any music because there is only a jukebox. These are nice places to get to know a chica, although the chicas are not A+ material always.

Of course, the vast majority of Mexican girls would never even consider being a prostitute. But, as I'm sure you've discovered during your many trips to Mexico, the Mexican morality is a lot more complicated and multi-layered than our anglo-saxon, puritanical, black and white morality. For example, a woman can prostitute herself, but not BE a prostitute; One can steal and not BE a thief.

Here in Mexico, a lot more emphasis is put on how something LOOKS and not always how something IS. The social structure is so static and important to the Mexican psyche that everything one does must not permit others to see you as "less" or as a deviant. Using the same rational, a succesful man MUST dress and act a certain way, otherwise, despite his bank account or accomplishments, he is NOT succesful. This really should be talked about in another section, but let's leave it at the fact that appearance is everything here in Mexico and those women who are known prostitutes already know that they are pariahs and misfits- that's why they are so willing to latch onto an American or European man who, aside from not sharing the same morality as the Mexican people, they also don't know the woman and don't know that she has been declared undesirable by society at large.

However, what about the normal woman here in Mexico? The vast majority of the women have never and would never sell themselves, but many more have done it than one would expect.

In my seven years here, I have had a few encounters of P4P that were with oridinary Mexican women. In my first couple of months here, a beautiful college-aged girl came to my house to have some idle "chit-chat." She began talking about how she needed money for a dress and that her family wouldn't get it for her. Well, one thing led to another and we had sex that day in my house. Afterwards, she asked for the money for the dress. I gave it to her just assuming that she was a hooker, but as I discovered more about my neighbors, I discovered that she was just an ordinary girl from a decent, middle-class family. Actually, she just gor married a couple of years ago- in a white dress!

Now, why did she do it? Maybe it was because she needed the money, wanted to get it quick and picked me as an outsider, with a limited knowledge of the language at the time, who wouldn't look down on her as much as a Mexican man would. Maybe, since I was outside the social structure, I would not "rat her out" or spread the word about her activities. Who knows? But I have experienced similar incidences since then, all with girls that would be considered normal, non-pro, girls.

This is not to say that normal Mexican girls are less moral. Actually, from my experiences, I would say that there is very little difference between them and other girls from other parts of the world. It's just the psyche that is different. A Mexican girl needs to be assured that her image is clean to the outside world and what goes on behind closed doors is secondary.

Many working chicas, on the other hand, see us a way to be treated like a regular, moral lady. Of course, some are heartless and cruel, but many will respond to kindness in a way most prostitues won't.

I really regard Morelia as a sort of minor league for mongering in the sense that these are usually corn-fed chicas just working on their game and without a lot of the mercenary attitude that the old pros, who see a dozen or more men a day, have refined. The mercenary chicas in Morelia have usually been imported from the border, Mexico City or Guadalajara. The Morelianas are usually more laid-back and "lady-like." This attitude makes Morelia ripe with GFE, its just that you really have to work at getting it. But that "work" is half the fun, verdad? ;)

Well, at least, that's this gringo's take on things.

Have fun

Mill Just
04-18-07, 05:19
Howdy Uno,

The girls of Morelia have impressed me more than most of the girls of the rest of the country. They are real, at least in the sense that they act and talk like regular girls. There are quite a few working girls here that I would've even considered bringing home to mom. Their attitudes and dispositions are such that only the very discerning eye would notice that they were "working" girls. It really is quite the dichotomy because these girls are, without a doubt, prostitutes, but they are often sweet girls who act just like regular women when they're off the clock. Of course, there are some hardened old pros who work just to separate you from your money, but there are fewer of those than in many other parts of Mexico. And, as I'm sure is the case in Monterrey as well, stay away from the high-end clubs if you want GFE. There are simply too many "operators" in these joints who are imported from other areas of Mexico.

Morelia is an odd place in the sense that its a very old city that is just sort of hitting its adolescence. The city is getting very big, the educational level is rising and the economy is stronger here than in some parts. However, the people are still direct descendents of humble, lower middle-class people. There is a general sense of kindness in the air. I could've settled into any area of Mexico, but I chose Morelia because it was the first place where I ever felt wanted in Mexico. In other places I felt more like a product, a client; but here I felt at home. Plus, throw in the chicas and I don't think I'll ever be going back to the States.

Anyway, back to the girls. They really do have a sort of corn-fed innocence to them that is very endearing. Many escorts have invited me to go eat with them or go dancing after a session. And they don't do it in a cynical way, they do it because they respond well to a man who treats them like a lady despite their profession. I can tell you from experience that this is not the case in most of the rest of Mexico. I like that the girls are a little more down to Earth here.

However, their corn-fed attitude is a double edged sword. What makes them so great to me is also what may make them hard to reach for the casual visitor. They are real girls and like real girls, they need a certain amount of courtship. It is not easy for an unknown foreigner to blow into Morelia and sweep a bar or club girl off her feet for a real GFE. The girls are usually on guard more. While being sweet and polite, they are distrustful, suspicious of strangers. Of course, they eventually come around, but it requires a bit more effort on your part. Like I said before, many girls (even the ones who do a dozen salidas a day) will tell you, as an unknown entity, that they don't do salidas. After winning their trust, though, there is no love finer!

The rest of Central Mexico is very sketchy. Real hit and miss, and mostly miss. There are many clubs outside of Morelia that don't even consider FS. A place like Guanajuato City is beautiful, but there is almost no mongering scene to be heard of. The smaller towns in Central Mexico are usually more conducive to our hobby, but the cities are ugly and the accommodations are appalling. The bigger cities are beautiful, but mongering is not very big. Morelia, however, is by far the best mongering destination in Central Mexico, at least for me. There are as many strip clubs and chica bars here than in cities with two or three times the population. Plus, crime is non-existent and the Colonial downtown is beautiful. What else can a guy ask for? Culture, Weather, Blow Jobs Speaking from this gringo's perspective, I am a very happy camper. It's also a small enough place so that you won't feel lost. Maneuvering the streets are pretty easy and most everyone is happy to help a stranger. Morelia is also a college town and there are many young, beautiful non-pro chicas to gawk at between mongering sessions

But enough from me, I'd like to hear more of other guys' opinions on the chicas of Morelia. Speak up fellas.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Member #3453
04-18-07, 15:25
MJ,

My mouth is watering...

Do you think some galletas caseras (sp) (homemade cookies), and some good quality chocolates might loosen up the otherwise "conservative" candidates for GFE if I were to visit Morelia? :-)

MJ,

If you find yourself with spare time...maybe you have already done so, but maybe you should catalog the clubs here, much like I did not too long ago in the Monterrey section, listing them by name and location, in your order of your personal preference and why. That would be something that needs to be posted in the reports of distinction section for sure. I haven't even checked to see if something is listed there already. But, if not, that would serve as a really helpful guide to enable an otherwise clueless vistor to manuever the Morelia venue more easily.

The other thing that is really helpful to a newbie is hotel recommendations, ones where the hotels are located in relatively close proximity to ground zero, and also chica friendly.

Believe it or not, in Monterrey there are a damn site few of them that are actually chica friendly. What is the prognosis for chica friendly hotels in Morelia?

I guess I could take a bus from Monterrey to Morelia, verdad? How long would that take? If Morelia is 500,000 strong, then I may be able to fly directly there out of Monterrey sometime for relatively little money. I am hearing lately that there are some relatively cheap fare airlines springing up in Mexico, kind of like Jetblue and Southwest Airlines in the US. I heard there are several flying out of TJ area for relatively cheap fares to Monterrey and back.


Howdy Uno,

The girls of Morelia have impressed me more than most of the girls of the rest of the country. They are real, at least in the sense that they act and talk like regular girls. There are quite a few working girls here that I would've even considered bringing home to mom. Their attitudes and dispositions are such that only the very discerning eye would notice that they were "working" girls. It really is quite the dichotomy because these girls are, without a doubt, prostitutes, but they are often sweet girls who act just like regular women when they're off the clock. Of course, there are some hardened old pros who work just to separate you from your money, but there are fewer of those than in many other parts of Mexico. And, as I'm sure is the case in Monterrey as well, stay away from the high-end clubs if you want GFE. There are simply too many "operators" in these joints who are imported from other areas of Mexico.

Morelia is an odd place in the sense that its a very old city that is just sort of hitting its adolescence. The city is getting very big, the educational level is rising and the economy is stronger here than in some parts. However, the people are still direct descendents of humble, lower middle-class people. There is a general sense of kindness in the air. I could've settled into any area of Mexico, but I chose Morelia because it was the first place where I ever felt wanted in Mexico. In other places I felt more like a product, a client; but here I felt at home. Plus, throw in the chicas and I don't think I'll ever be going back to the States.

Anyway, back to the girls. They really do have a sort of corn-fed innocence to them that is very endearing. Many escorts have invited me to go eat with them or go dancing after a session. And they don't do it in a cynical way, they do it because they respond well to a man who treats them like a lady despite their profession. I can tell you from experience that this is not the case in most of the rest of Mexico. I like that the girls are a little more down to Earth here.

However, their corn-fed attitude is a double edged sword. What makes them so great to me is also what may make them hard to reach for the casual visitor. They are real girls and like real girls, they need a certain amount of courtship. It is not easy for an unknown foreigner to blow into Morelia and sweep a bar or club girl off her feet for a real GFE. The girls are usually on guard more. While being sweet and polite, they are distrustful, suspicious of strangers. Of course, they eventually come around, but it requires a bit more effort on your part. Like I said before, many girls (even the ones who do a dozen salidas a day) will tell you, as an unknown entity, that they don't do salidas. After winning their trust, though, there is no love finer!

The rest of Central Mexico is very sketchy. Real hit and miss, and mostly miss. There are many clubs outside of Morelia that don't even consider FS. A place like Guanajuato City is beautiful, but there is almost no mongering scene to be heard of. The smaller towns in Central Mexico are usually more conducive to our hobby, but the cities are ugly and the accommodations are appalling. The bigger cities are beautiful, but mongering is not very big. Morelia, however, is by far the best mongering destination in Central Mexico, at least for me. There are as many strip clubs and chica bars here than in cities with two or three times the population. Plus, crime is non-existent and the Colonial downtown is beautiful. What else can a guy ask for? Culture, Weather, Blow Jobs Speaking from this gringo's perspective, I am a very happy camper. It's also a small enough place so that you won't feel lost. Maneuvering the streets are pretty easy and most everyone is happy to help a stranger. Morelia is also a college town and there are many young, beautiful non-pro chicas to gawk at between mongering sessions

But enough from me, I'd like to hear more of other guys' opinions on the chicas of Morelia. Speak up fellas.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Mill Just
04-18-07, 20:29
MJ,

My mouth is watering...

Do you think some galletas caseras (sp) (homemade cookies), and some good quality chocolates might loosen up the otherwise "conservative" candidates for GFE if I were to visit Morelia? :-)

The other thing that is really helpful to a newbie is hotel recommendations, ones where the hotels are located in relatively close proximity to ground zero, and also chica friendly.

Believe it or not, in Monterrey there are a damn site few of them that are actually chica friendly. What is the prognosis for chica friendly hotels in Morelia?

I guess I could take a bus from Monterrey to Morelia, verdad? How long would that take? If Morelia is 500,000 strong, then I may be able to fly directly there out of Monterrey sometime for relatively little money. I am hearing lately that there are some relatively cheap fare airlines springing up in Mexico, kind of like Jetblue and Southwest Airlines in the US. I heard there are several flying out of TJ area for relatively cheap fares to Monterrey and back.I don't know about the cookie thing, can't say that I ever tried it.

By bus, it's about a 12 or 13 hr bus ride from Monterrey to Morelia. When travelling by bus, I usually take Autobuses Americanos. They are pretty decent and the price is right- about 700 pesos one way. It's about an hour by plane. The plane fare between the 2 cities has been very high- like 400 USD. Recently there has been some competition from other airlines and my travel agent told me that there have recently been fares of about 2,000 pesos round trip. Don't know, though, what the current fares are. I'll check into it.
In the past, it was cheaper flying international than domestic.

The hotels are very girl-friendly here. I have never encountered a problem with bringing chicas back to any hotel room. I've stayed at many hotels here and was never even questioned by the staff about this. Actually, when the bellboys see you bringing chicas back, they often offer to find even better chicas for you. The hotel I stayed at most often before I got my apartment was the Hotel Morelia Imperial. It's located downtown, about a block and a half from the main street of Madero. The room rate was 370 pesos per night. It is a no-frills room, but clean and secure and with cable TV. The staff is very friendly and it is very chica-friendly. The only hotels were you might encounter some problem with chicas is in the American chains like the Holiday Inn. There are also many love motels around the city where you can get a room for 12 hrs at a price of about 150 pesos.

When I have more time, I'll write more details about the clubs. For now I'll just say that they are very easy to find since most are located on one street, "Periferico Paseo de la Republica." Read some of my earlier posts for specifics on some of my favorite clubs. I'll post some more details when I get a chance.

Take care and have fun,

Mill

Yorke
05-02-07, 18:40
A couple of weeks ago I went to Morelia for the weekend and called this escorts agency which I can't remember the name, asking for prices and girls' descriptions...

After trying to send me 'cute girls but little fat' and almost aborting the mission, the girl on the phone said. 'Valeria, I'm pretty sure you're gonna like her! Guaranteed!!'. Not the same price for a regular girl (600 pesos), Valeria is 1000 pesos for one hour, but worth it.

She wasn't wrong. Amazing brunette and curly girl. Very young, 22 years old and incredibly suitable. All positions, loves oral sex for her and likes to show you new positions and tricks.

The phone number of the agency is 209-79-40

Somebody knows services in Tepic? I'm going there for the weekend.

Warm regards guys.

Mill Just
05-30-07, 08:11
I went on the prowl here in Morelia for some new talent on Friday and Saturday nights. I initially decided to go to a couple of lower-end bars on Periferico Republica (Bar La Playa, Sexy Lady's Club), but the selection was horrible. A den of porkers at La Playa and a mix of porkers and skanky skinny girls at the "Lady's Club" so I decided to head over to a mid-range club and always a solid choice: "Status, Jr's Men's Club" (Periferico Republica #2036).

It had been a few months since I had gone inside of "Status," but I had never been disappointed by the chicas or the service; It's just that with so many options in Morelia, some clubs get left behind. After Friday and Saturday nights, I will probably not ever leave Status behind again. I had so much fun those 2 nights that it has probably earned a spot on the top of my strip club list.

I first came in on Friday night at about midnight and was very pleased to see a bunch of college guys in attendance. That means that the chicas would be itching for money since these college boys are not big spenders. True enough, there were about 25 chicas in the club (7's-10's) and most of them were just standing around. Few drinks were bought for the chicas and almost no privadas that I could see were bought all night...except by me.

Upon entering, I was reminded of just how small the place is. There is just enough room for a few tables around the runway. Comfortable "VIP" couches are slightly elevated and lined up on the outskirts of the floor, in a shroud of darkness so as to invite naughty behavior. The layout is very cozy and you can get a direct view of the chicas on stage from every spot in the club.

Anyway, I surveyed the scene and watched the chicas do their acts. A few girls aproached me and directly offered me sex in the back for 1,100 pesos. Why 1,100? I have no idea. I wasn't ready for anything yet so I decided to just chill and see what comes along. The stage acts at "Status" were extremely raunchy in comparison to other clubs and even compared to their normal acts that I've seen in the past. One chica stuck a beer bottle in her sweet coochy and used it like a dildo for a decent amount of time, another fingered herself while spread-eagle in the middle of the stage and another chica did a lovely penetration act with a florescent safety stick. Some chicas did just a regular stripping routine, but some definitely flirted with ilegal activity- something that I can't see going on too long.

After the stage show, I was ready for some company and I picked the nice, blonde young lady who did stuff to herself with the beer bottle. She immediately offered to give me 25 minute FS for $1,100 pesos (!), but I declined and she lowered her price to 900. I still declined and opted for a privada instead. She was very good and pulled Mr. Happy out for a brief HJ, I guess to get me in the mood for the FS she was offering. I held strong, though, and bought her a drink instead for 110 (!) pesos. She was constantly feeling me up and deep-throating my beer bottle to get me to a FS session, but I was still strong, even with her lowering the price to 800.

At that point I noticed that it was nearly 3 am and I was starving, so I decided to call it a night and get some tacos. Total damage was 350 pesos for my drinks, her drink, a privada, a tip for the boletero. Plus, I got to see a bunch of hot strippers get naked!

Over tacos, I decided to come back the next day...

The next evening I went back to Status and this time opted to get the FS from my Beer Bottle Babe, but she was hanging with a group of guys and she looked like she had her hands full. Instead, I hooked up with a gorgeous, voluptuous (not fat!) brunette who again, immediately offered me FS for 1,100 pesos. I told her that if she treated me right I would get the FS from her and she proceeded to take me up to a dark VIP sofa in back. We did a lot of exploring and "getting to know eachother." (ie: fingering, mutual masturbation, licking, rubbing, etc...). She was so good that I decided to keep her around longer by getting a pitcher for 350 pesos that lasted her until the time I left the club (about 2.5 hours). I eventually got the FS for the price of 1,100 pesos in a back room made up to be a girl's bedroom. Very nice experience and she was extremely wet and affectionate. In total I spent about 1,700 pesos for 2.5 hours of heavy petting, FS, beer and a tip for my favorire boletero. The price was a little steep, but worth it since I got so much time with the chica. On the way out of the club, I was stopped by the Beer Bottle Babe and she gave me her phone number to make an arrangment for after hours. I just might give her a call and tell all you guys about it ;)

Here's the review of Status, Jr's Men's Club:

Very nice, cozy atmosphere and very little pressure to buy. Most of the chicas were very hot and all were warm and had nice personalities- no sour pusses that I saw. Throw your support around a chubby, dark-skinned boletero named "Tyson." He was a great guy and very helpful (not annoying or pushy) in finding the right chicas.

Here is a list of the prices"

Beer: 30 pesos (a bucket of 6 beers costs $75 pesos and a bucket of 10 costs $125 pesos between 8pm and 11:30 pm)

Chica drinks: 110 pesos. Also, a jarra, which is equal to about 4 or 5 chica drinks, for 350 pesos

Privadas: 110 pesos per song and 500 pesos for a 15 min "extra sexy privada"

FS: seems to be stuck at the 1,100 peso mark, but can be negotiated down. You will have to work your way into a salida since all the chicas prefer to do their business in-house.

Hope I helped somebody out there. Have fun guys...

Mill

Mill Just
07-04-07, 08:14
Saturday night I went out determined to find the casa de citas located near Perriodismo blvd (sp). Finding this place was like trying to find George Bush on 9/11. I asked taxista after taxista over the course of weeks to take me there, but most proclaimed ignorance; and the ones who knew where it was, refused to take me.

Downtown, in front of the old bus terminal, I finally found a taxista who was willing to take me to the casa de citas.

First, let me tell you that there would be no way on God's Green Earth that you would even know that its a brothel. It's located in a quiet, residential neighborhood with absolutely no distinguishing characteristics other than a bright orange light in the inside patio, which is a signal that there are indeed chicas there at that moment.

Anyway, I knocked on the metal bars of the front gate and a short, older man with glasses came out. He kinda looked us over and eventually opened up the gate to let us in. It was at this moment that I reserved the taxi for the hour (100 pesos) because the neighborhood was dead and it would be impossible to find a cab on the way out.

Me and my taxista went inside and were transported into a Wild West *****house. The house was decked out in red velvet and dim lightbulbs. It looked like Graceland in Memphis if it had been deisgned by a Mexican monger on a Cialis jag. The house basically consisted of "living rooms" where you get to "know" the chica and bedrooms, where you REALLY get to know the chica.

As we went inside, there were 3 drunk Mexicans groping 3 working chicas in one "sala" and another 2 drunks doing the same in another room. My taxista and I settled into a room in the back where the Madame offered to bring in all the available chicas to see what we liked. Unfortunately, it was 12:45 in the night and there were just 3 chicas available; none to my liking. Well, one was passable, but I wasn't looking for just passable that night. The best chicas were already taken and the Madame told us that there were other girls on salidas.

The Madame was kinda putting pressure on us to pick the chicas and/or buy a bottle (between 500 and 1,200 pesos). I asked to wait so that I can see if one of the other girls gets free or get a girl as they come back from an outcall, but we were told in very blatant terms that we had to consume if we were allowed to wait. Well, that was my cue to leave and I took my taxista with me.

Ok, despite the bad ending, I would recommend this place because it has great potential. A couple of the chicas that I saw when I entered were absolute stunners; Very cute in a non-pro way. But because I got there so late, the best action was gone. The Madame said that the best time to come is around 9 pm, when all the chicas are there and mostly free.

For those of you who are squeemish about going to real, real Mexican places, then you might want to stay away because, from the odd looks I got, there hasn't been an American in there for years. I think they were amazed that I actually found the place. Obviously, no English is spoken here. And you WILL feel like a fish our of water.

The name of the place is Peguero's (pronounced: peh-uedos). I had actually heard the name of the place before, but didn't put 2 and 2 together. The address is: Vicente Beristain #89 and most taxistas will recognize it as being close to the office of La Voz de Michoacan newspaper. The Madame and the guy working there did their best so that I wouldn't have the address or phone number; several times changing the subject when I asked them the address and basically shielding the address from me while guiding me to the taxi. However, I'm a hard cat to disuade and I had the taxista double back so that I could get the address. I don't think they were being rude about not wanting me to know the address; I just think they they were distrustful of me and my motives. They do a good job of keeping ths place a secret.

The chicas cost between 800-1,200 for the sessions and the groping beforehand. They push the bottles heavily at a cost between 500-1,200 pesos, but it might be worth it if you take into consideration that a bottle will last you all night and allow you all the groping and molesting you want with your chica. They have take-out, but I would be real hesitant unless you know a specific girl there because the quality of the chicas varies so much; There were 8 in total when I went- 3 beauties and 5 beasts.

All in all, A good experience and a decent alternative to strip clubs and escorts. Just be braced for a real, authentic Mexican Casa de Citas...cum stains on red velvet, drunken rancheros and the smell of Sico condoms in the smokey air...

Have Fun,

Mill

Cupido Morboso
07-22-07, 13:47
Hi Mill:
just adding to your post...there is a (good) new Casa de Citas in Morelia, the place is in "La Huerta -Cointzio" road (a few kilometers south of Walmart), the place is a little expensive, but worth it...

I don't have the exact address but take the old road to "Presa de Cointzio", turn right to "Balneario de Cointzio" and find the house with a red light,

Regards

Cupido Morboso



Saturday night I went out determined to find the casa de citas located near Perriodismo blvd (sp). Finding this place was like trying to find George Bush on 9/11. I asked taxista after taxista over the course of weeks to take me there, but most proclaimed ignorance; and the ones who knew where it was, refused to take me.

Downtown, in front of the old bus terminal, I finally found a taxista who was willing to take me to the casa de citas.

First, let me tell you that there would be no way on God's Green Earth that you would even know that its a brothel. It's located in a quiet, residential neighborhood with absolutely no distinguishing characteristics other than a bright orange light in the inside patio, which is a signal that there are indeed chicas there at that moment.

Anyway, I knocked on the metal bars of the front gate and a short, older man with glasses came out. He kinda looked us over and eventually opened up the gate to let us in. It was at this moment that I reserved the taxi for the hour (100 pesos) because the neighborhood was dead and it would be impossible to find a cab on the way out.

Me and my taxista went inside and were transported into a Wild West *****house. The house was decked out in red velvet and dim lightbulbs. It looked like Graceland in Memphis if it had been deisgned by a Mexican monger on a Cialis jag. The house basically consisted of "living rooms" where you get to "know" the chica and bedrooms, where you REALLY get to know the chica.

As we went inside, there were 3 drunk Mexicans groping 3 working chicas in one "sala" and another 2 drunks doing the same in another room. My taxista and I settled into a room in the back where the Madame offered to bring in all the available chicas to see what we liked. Unfortunately, it was 12:45 in the night and there were just 3 chicas available; none to my liking. Well, one was passable, but I wasn't looking for just passable that night. The best chicas were already taken and the Madame told us that there were other girls on salidas.

The Madame was kinda putting pressure on us to pick the chicas and/or buy a bottle (between 500 and 1,200 pesos). I asked to wait so that I can see if one of the other girls gets free or get a girl as they come back from an outcall, but we were told in very blatant terms that we had to consume if we were allowed to wait. Well, that was my cue to leave and I took my taxista with me.

Ok, despite the bad ending, I would recommend this place because it has great potential. A couple of the chicas that I saw when I entered were absolute stunners; Very cute in a non-pro way. But because I got there so late, the best action was gone. The Madame said that the best time to come is around 9 pm, when all the chicas are there and mostly free.

For those of you who are squeemish about going to real, real Mexican places, then you might want to stay away because, from the odd looks I got, there hasn't been an American in there for years. I think they were amazed that I actually found the place. Obviously, no English is spoken here. And you WILL feel like a fish our of water.

The name of the place is Peguero's (pronounced: peh-uedos). I had actually heard the name of the place before, but didn't put 2 and 2 together. The address is: Vicente Beristain #89 and most taxistas will recognize it as being close to the office of La Voz de Michoacan newspaper. The Madame and the guy working there did their best so that I wouldn't have the address or phone number; several times changing the subject when I asked them the address and basically shielding the address from me while guiding me to the taxi. However, I'm a hard cat to disuade and I had the taxista double back so that I could get the address. I don't think they were being rude about not wanting me to know the address; I just think they they were distrustful of me and my motives. They do a good job of keeping ths place a secret.

The chicas cost between 800-1,200 for the sessions and the groping beforehand. They push the bottles heavily at a cost between 500-1,200 pesos, but it might be worth it if you take into consideration that a bottle will last you all night and allow you all the groping and molesting you want with your chica. They have take-out, but I would be real hesitant unless you know a specific girl there because the quality of the chicas varies so much; There were 8 in total when I went- 3 beauties and 5 beasts.

All in all, A good experience and a decent alternative to strip clubs and escorts. Just be braced for a real, authentic Mexican Casa de Citas...cum stains on red velvet, drunken rancheros and the smell of Sico condoms in the smokey air...

Have Fun,

Mill

Mill Just
07-23-07, 02:48
All Hail the King of Morelia!!!!

Welcome back, Cupido! It's been a few years since I've read anything from you. I thought you were retired.

Anyway, thanks for the info; I will try it ASAP. But when you say "A little expensive," what do you mean? What're the prices like?

I had heard about a casa de citas close to plaza La Huerta, but everybody proclaimed ignorance. It's sometimes hard to get these people to open up to you. Maybe they think that the gringos will move in on their turf and ruin things...like we usually do, but, after 7 years here, I think I'm now more Moreliano than Gabacho.

So, any other tidbits to share? Again, welcome back.

Miller2k


Hi Miller:
just adding to your post...there is a (good) new Casa de Citas in Morelia, the place is in "La Huerta -Cointzio" road (a few kilometers south of Walmart), the place is a little expensive, but worth it...

I don't have the exact address but take the old road to "Presa de Cointzio", turn right to "Balneario de Cointzio" and find the house with a red light,

Regards

Cupido Morboso

Mill Just
07-23-07, 04:10
Hey, just letting y'all know that I tried a new escort service a few days ago. The name is Brissa and their ad can be found in La Voz de Michoacan newspaper along with the other escort ads.

I got a fake blonde named "Fanny" and she was quite the little worker! She provided lots of foreplay and GFE-esque lovin'- including DFK! (something rare).

After the extended groping session, we basically went through the usual: oral, various positions and pop. I finished doggie and popped sans-condom. "Fanny" was down for whatever and had no second thought when it came to getting squirted on- kinda makes me wonder what other things she may be down for. I would definitely repeat with her because she was a fun chica, who actually accompanied me to the street after the session, hand in hand.

She is a fake blonde with a decent body- she is not a hardbody, but she is not flabby, either. Just a regular Mexican chica. The one thing that I didn't like about her appearance was a bad tattoo on the the small of her back, but beggars can't be chooser's, right?

Prices was 600 pesos per hour and 800 pesos for two hours. Fanny was not a clock-watcher, but I can't vouch for the other chicas at Brissa.

By the way, Brissa advertises that they will give you a special surprise, but they are all out. Fanny told me that the surprise was a vibrating condom. Maybe next time I'll get mine :)

Have Fun,

Mill

Cupido Morboso
07-23-07, 11:43
Mill:
they charge $1200+ and you have to pay for a bottle of wine to get in the place (saturday night),

BTW: anything over $1200 pesos is "expensive" for me if the girl is not "special" (GFE attitude, beautiful, etc.)...the excepcion to this rule was the $2500 pesos I paid for a "Status" girl a few months ago, she was a solid "10", by far the best girl at "Status", had the looks of a Playmate of the Year, and we had "chemistry" and a lot of fun (lol, ok, not chemistry, 2 hours of GFE attitude),

Morelia is an expensive city, Monterrey girls charge 1/3 the price of Morelia girls for the same service,

>any other tidbits to share?

I'd like to share my opinion, I used to love "Casas", but today, the best bet in Morelia is the Escort Services, they compete for your business (prices are good), and girl quality is very good (in the $600+ range), my advice (dealing with Escort Services) is: always be friendly, take the time to know the girls and the people that work with the girls, no need to pay extra, just learn their names and let them know that you only want to spend a good time with the girls and will never be a problem for them, after some time, the managers will send you the best girls (by then they will know your "taste"),

IMPORTANT: if you want the best girls, tell them what you want, ask them for a description of the girls (take notes, you will need them some other day), avoid weekends, paydays, holidays, nights and "after hours", the best girls have a lot of work, so ask for the best time to call, the best ones almost never work at night (sssshhhh, their parents don't know....lol),


Regards

Cupido Morboso

P.S.
ask THE MANAGERS for the "nuevecitas" and the "imports", like a very beautiful Ukranian girl, reserved only for the best customers and "friends",





>when you say "A little expensive," what do you mean? What're the prices like?


Miller2k

Mill Just
07-24-07, 06:11
BTW: anything over $1200 pesos is "expensive" for me if the girl is not "special" (GFE attitude, beautiful, etc.)...the excepcion to this rule was the $2500 pesos I paid for a "Status" girl a few months ago, she was a solid "10", by far the best girl at "Status", had the looks of a Playmate of the Year, and we had "chemistry" and a lot of fun (lol, ok, not chemistry, 2 hours of GFE attitude)

2500 pesos? Wow! Man, I've never spent more than 1500 pesos total for a salida with a strip club girl- and that 1,500 price was extremely steep based on my horniness for a Mirage girl and my lack of real Mexican mongering experiences. At this point in the game, I don't think I'd ever pay that much again. The girl would have to have two vaginas and three breasts to make me want to pay so much, lol.

In my opinion, nobody should ever pay more than 1200 pesos for FS in any part of Mexico. There is no reason to pay US prices for Mexican Punani...but there's always the exeption to the rule...And if we're thinking of the same chica at Status, she just may have been worth what you paid!


Morelia is an expensive city, Monterrey girls charge 1/3 the price of Morelia girls for the same service

I have to disagree here. I haven't found it to be so expensive compared to other Mexican cities taking into consideration city size and location. I think the first prices we are quoted are always very inflated. I really don't think that the club owners and working chicas know how to deal with us foreigners and their first instinct is to see how much we'll pay.

What I think Morelia's problem might be is that the sex industry here is a bit on the naive side; There really aren't too many grizzled, veteran mongers here who know how things should be done. The result is them aiming at the occasional local monger who comes in to unload his cash for a quick encounter. Most locals don't have the experience to shop around and work for better prices and service. The prices are paid, so nothing is changed. Mongers in Morelia are naive and too inexperienced...most do not even think of salidas, thus limting the demand and the club's desire to use them. But salidas can be had when you are considered a trusted customer and/or friend. If not in good with the management, get in good with the chicas. Over time build a rapport and take them on salidas after working hours. Right now I have a few private stash chicas who do salidas with me for anywhere from 500-1,000 pesos for 2+ hours and freebies are not unheard of. But it takes a very long time and a lot of Sor Juanas to get their trust. Right now I only occasionally go to the strip clubs or call escort services- and that's when I'm looking for new talent for my private stash.

What we need is a smart club owner to come in here and work things the way they need to be worked and, thus, save us mongers a lot of the leg work needed to get good service at a decent price. Now, the way things currently are, we need to do all the work in finding those few chicas who will give us what we want and not rob us blind.

So, I don't necessarily agree with your statement that Morelia is an expensive city. To the newbie or the monger who only visits for 3 or 4 days a year, strip club chicas will cost you way too much- much the same with any of the twenty+ Mexican cities where I've mongered- strip clubs will bleed you of your money if you don't know your way around them.

That's why I always recommend escorts for the new visitor to Morelia. As an unknown in Morelia, it'll always be tough to get GFE with a hot stripper in your hotel without spending obscene amounts of cash. But I stand firm on my opinion that the chicas of Morelia lend themselves to a good GFE more than the chicas of any other Mexican city where I've mongered. But it could be that I'm biased because I have it so good here...


I'd like to share my opinion, I used to love "Casas", but today, the best bet in Morelia is the Escort Services, they compete for your business (prices are good), and girl quality is very good (in the $600+ range), my advice (dealing with Escort Services) is: always be friendly, take the time to know the girls and the people that work with the girls, no need to pay extra, just learn their names and let them know that you only want to spend a good time with the girls and will never be a problem for them, after some time, the managers will send you the best girls (by then they will know your "taste")

I agree 100%. And if I can add: Be friendly and pleasant, but make sure to ask, especially the first time you use a service, if it'll be ok to send the chica back if she isn't what you're looking for. You can almost always do this with any service, but make sure that you indirectly imply your desire to get a nice date with a nice chica.

There aren't that many gringos in town and your accent will tell. Most chicas are very willing put up that extra little effort to rock a gringo's world. And if you do get stuck with a clunker- it'll cost you 50 pesos to send her back- a small price to pay for getting a higher caliber chica in return. I had one instance where I sent two chicas back, back-to-back and the third one sent to me was an absolute stunner; They brought out the big guns to make me happy and not have me send another girl back. Now, they remember me whenever I call and I always get a good, quality chica.

And yeah, prices have gone down at least 10-20 percent overall since I first came to Morelia 7 years ago. Some escorts are as hot as anything you'd find at a high-end strip club, others are skanks. It all depends on the level of chica you're willing to settle for.

Have Fun,

Mill

Cupido Morboso
07-28-07, 12:31
Mill: I said: "Morelia is an expensive city, Monterrey girls charge 1/3 the price of Morelia girls for the same service"


I have to disagree here. I haven't found it to be so expensive compared to other Mexican cities taking into consideration city size and location.

I mean: Morelia is expensive compared with Monterrey ...

maybe not a third of the price, but service is much cheaper in Monterrey (average), check prices at "El Sol" newspaper (see attached photo, not a single ad over $300 pesos, competition is extremely fierce...lol),
I have about 20 years visiting the "Casas", "Esteticas" and "Spas" in MTY, I know for a fact that a top escort charges only a fraction of a similar girl in Morelia...
Ex.: a top Morelia girl (like Rebeca of Mirage Morelia) charges $2000+ pesos for a 2hr. "date", you can easily find a "look alike" in MTY for only $800,

(ok, ok, one way or another, Morelia is cheap because Rebeca can charge a lot more in L.A. lol)

of course Monterrey has very expensive girls too (ex. the girls of "Casa San Pedro"), but good/very cheap service is VERY easy to find...

(ex.: check the Old Board for reviews of "Casa Saul", the place no longer exists, but it was the best Casa for a long time, prices were cheap (compared with Morelia, Mexico City, GDL, etc.), the girls/service were great...)

"choice" in mty is better too, "les debutants", "nuevecitas", "9's" and "10's" are easier to find...

I agree with you, Queretaro, Leon, Celaya, etc., have similar prices, but Monterrey is a World apart...

Respectfully

Cupido Morboso

Mill Just
07-28-07, 17:26
Agreed. But you are comparing a large, afluent and monger-heavy city like Monterrey to a smaller and less-monger"centric" city like Morelia; also you are comparing MP prices with Escort prices, basically because we really don't have much of a MP scene here. I would like to see more of a MP scene in Morelia just to balance everything out. Right now there are a couple of places, but nowhere near what larger cities like Monterrey and Guadalajara have.

It all boils down to what I posted earlier that the mongers in Morelia, for the most part, are too naive about mongering. Maybe the lack of foreign sex tourism contributes to the fact that things can get frustrating for the newcomer. You know as well as I do that most guys who go to a strip club here in Morelia don't even consider a salida. Therefore, salidas are unusual occurences and the chicas, as well as the club owners, tend to overcharge for these services.

Also, as a Morelia expert, you know that familiarity tends to trump all barriers here. Being a known entity opens up your possibilities for better service at a better price.

When I first started coming here, I plainly could not get a salida at a club. Then, I was quoted outrageous amounts for a salida. Now, after 7 years of laying groundwork and making some connections, I can get saildas at somewhat decent prices, but it definitely came as a function of me being the "loco gringo who wanted to take the chicas out of the club, but was harmless and a good customer."

Part of the charm that Morelia has for me, has to do with the fact that there aren't a lot of hard-core foreign mongers; the place seems a bit more innocent than other venues. However, that same "innocence" sometimes makes it hard for the new guy to come in and get what he wants at a decent price unless he has great game and/or a good amount of time to really become a known entity.

Plus, the non-pro action is awesome. All that, and the fact that they just opened a Starbucks here ( :) ), makes Morelia more than just alright in my book. BJ's, awesome weather AND iced coffee? What could be sweeter? LOL


Mill: I said: "Morelia is an expensive city, Monterrey girls charge 1/3 the price of Morelia girls for the same service"



I mean: Morelia is expensive compared with Monterrey ...

maybe not a third of the price, but service is much cheaper in Monterrey (average), check prices at "El Sol" newspaper (see attached photo, not a single ad over $300 pesos, competition is extremely fierce...lol),
I have about 20 years visiting the "Casas", "Esteticas" and "Spas" in MTY, I know for a fact that a top escort charges only a fraction of a similar girl in Morelia...
Ex.: a top Morelia girl (like Rebeca of Mirage Morelia) charges $2000+ pesos for a 2hr. "date", you can easily find a "look alike" in MTY for only $800,

(ok, ok, one way or another, Morelia is cheap because Rebeca can charge a lot more in L.A. lol)

of course Monterrey has very expensive girls too (ex. the girls of "Casa San Pedro"), but good/very cheap service is VERY easy to find...

(ex.: check the Old Board for reviews of "Casa Saul", the place no longer exists, but it was the best Casa for a long time, prices were cheap (compared with Morelia, Mexico City, GDL, etc.), the girls/service were great...)

"choice" in mty is better too, "les debutants", "nuevecitas", "9's" and "10's" are easier to find...

I agree with you, Queretaro, Leon, Celaya, etc., have similar prices, but Monterrey is a World apart...

Respectfully

Cupido Morboso

Alber X
08-02-07, 10:29
Dear Cupido Morboso:

Can you tell more details about new "casa de citas", because I can't find it. I can't see the red light.

Regards

Alber X

Mill Just
08-03-07, 05:42
Alber, please drop me an e-mail. I accidentally deleted your address and I wanted another link to your blog.

Thanks


Dear Cupido Morboso:

Can you tell more details about new "casa de citas", because I can't find it. I can't see the red light.

Regards

Alber X

Unboncoit
08-12-07, 07:20
Did I understand correctly (newspaper) that police raided 18 night spots in Morelia Friday?

Anything serious or just a show of force?

Mill Just
08-14-07, 07:03
i was out and about on friday and didn't see a thing, but such things happen from time to time and are nothing to be taken seriously, unless you happen to have drugs on you when they raid a club; in that case, you are screwed!

these raids are done, supposedy, to sweep for drugs and **** girls, but they are really a way for the authorities to flex their mucles (and, often, up the ante with regards to the amount of hush money the clubs are paying them.)


did i understand correctly (newspaper) that police raided 18 night spots in morelia friday?

anything serious or just a show of force?

Mill Just
08-15-07, 06:47
I am a lazy monger. Yes, that's right I'm a bad, lazy monger because I settle into a groove and stick with it, thereby limiting my mongering options. Recently I've been too faithful to my pack of regular chicas and have let the other mongering possibilities in Morelia go un-utilized.

However, I'm in the process of changing this and decided to back-peddle a bit and visit a place that I hadn't visited in about 4 years.

The place is called "Masajes Sharon" and its an MP in a residential neighborhood. I had only visited one time before, 4 years ago, and I believe there was only one woman available when I went- and she wasn't all that great, so I put "Sharon" on the back-burner and turned towards other options.

Anyway, I decided to give ol' Sharon another try and boy oh boy was I impressed! I called earlier in the day because appointments are recommended and was given the directions. Upon arriving at the gate of the regular, residential house, I saw a cute blonde head peak her head from behind a curtain. "Nice," I thought to myself, only to be pleasantly surprised again when I saw the rest of her. Her name was Monse and she was a tall blonde, with a good body and an ass to die for! She looked to be in her late twenties or early thirties and well preserved with a nice, short haircut and did I mention her ass?

Monse led me past another chica (younger and a bit chunkier, but with an adorable face and a thicker, but not that fat body. Very doable) and into one of the massage rooms. The room was standard with a massage table, various oils and creams and mood music. However, a minus was that there was no shower or private bathroom in the room. Upon entering, Monse gave me the 411. 200 pesos for the massage, 200 extra for her to get naked, 100 for a hand job, 550 for a BJ and 800 for FS. Everything had to be with a condom and the FS was unlimited and various positions until I popped.

I started with the massage, which was passable and decided to get the FS because she looked so damn good in those jeans. Did I mention her ass? She gave me a brief BJ to get Mr. Happy ready and she climbed on board the Miller Express! One bad thing about MPs is having to do the deed on a massage table because I'm a rather big boy and its not all that comfortable for me. Monse had that problem solved as she directed me to a love seat in the corner of the room. We started the FS with reverse cowgirl, then doggie (did I mention that ass?) and finished with cowgirl on the loveseat. I popped crazy style on the loveseat as she was riding me and we were almost face to face, porno-style. A very nice experience overall.

I recommend Monse as a sweet, pleasant chica who was very tight and wet and very willing to please. There was a sense of sophistication about her as she seemed to actually enjoy her job and, most imoprtantly she seemed to enjoy making me happy. I would say that it was the closest thing to a GFE that I've ever had in a MP. Hell, you could probably classify it as a GFE under any circumstance.

On the way out, I was almost kicking myself as I saw another chica leave a room with her client. I wasn't kicking myself for being with Monse, but I was kicking myself for not waiting to see all the chicas. This chica was HOT and just my type- a thin, dark-skinned and dark-haired princess with such a beautiful face! Nothing against the blondes, but I love those morenas! Oh well, maybe next time...

Masajes Sharon is located on Paseo del Eucalipto #450 in the colonia Pradas Verdes. The telephone number is (443) 139-3003. They're open from 10am to 8pm, Monday through Saturday. They prefer that you make an appointment. I recommend that appointment for between 11 and 2 or between 5 and 8 in order to be sure that all the girls are present.

The place itself is easily accessible because the street Paseo del Eucalipto is a decent-sized street and taxis pass often. Remember, though, to be respectful and quiet since the place is just a regular house in a residential neighborhood and I'm sure they don't want problems with the neighbors.

Monse told me that 5 girls currently work there. I saw three of them, including mine, and was very impressed. These girls were all very attractive and, best of all, they didn't have that "hooker look" to them. They all looked like regular, albeit sexier, girls and were dressed in regular street clothes. Man, I can't wait to sample the rest of them!

All in all I had a great time at Sharon's and I'm glad I took the time to go back to a place that I had mistakenly left for dead so long ago.

By the way, Sharon's can also be found listed in the massage section in La Voz de Michoacan's classifieds where it says in big letters after the listing "No Sexo"...yeah, right.

Have Fun,

Mill

Mill Just
09-06-07, 09:05
saturday, i stopped by two clubs that i don't normally visit, just to see what's what.

my first stop was bar continental, a lower-end club that had 12-15 girls there, as far as i could see. no 10's, but some decent chicas and a few fuglies- including an obese mama in a skin-tight leotard (yikes!). the place itself is kinda dirty and i guess you could call it a dive. there were 3 chicas there that really caught my eye: karlie, a thin, dark-haired beauty who had a great "down-home" charm; carla, a voluptious dish-water blonde who had a great body and face and; a beautiful, light-brown haired spinner with a golden tan and a look of a spoiled bad girl (i can't recall her name).

i passed on karlie just because i wanted to see what else was out there. i passed on carla because she was too mercenary and refused to even talk about a salida until i bought her a drink. i never got a chance to speak with the spinner because she was snatched up immediately after doing her routine on stage. i left soon after that to see what else could be had in the area.

bar continental is typical strip club fare: 3 songs on stage with the last song being the one where they get completely nude.

prices were: 25 pesos for a beer
100 pesos for a chica drink
350 for a pitcher of chica drinks
100 pesos for a privado (there was a 2 for 1 special all night)
500 pesos to the house for a salida (but they will drop it to 350)
700-1000 pesos for an hour with the chica, off premises (this is
highly negotiable)
350 for the house if you take the chica upstairs
700-1000 for sex with the chica on the premises

next, i went to bar climaxxx, which is next to the continental, and nothing has changed there. it is still the wildest of all the clubs on the periferico. and when i say "wild" i mean it in terms of drunken fist fights and bottles flying through the air. the last 3 times i've gone here, fights have broken out and tonight was no different.

now don't get me wrong. i like a nice bar fight as much as the next guy, but i had on a new shirt, so i left after about 30 minutes of chaos wrapped around the occasional stripper. besides, i didn't see one chica worth doing in the place, so i jetted.

i think the problem with bar climaxxx is that the stage is almost on ground level and it snakes along the various tables; tables, which by the way, are so packed in that bottles are constantly being shattered as they get knocked off them. the tables are packed together so tight that its almost impossible to move without bumping into another table.

personally, i like the idea that the stage is ground level and the chicas do their routine as they walk around the tables, but there may be some psycholgical element about it that makes people less respectful of the show and more likely to get involved in side "issues." by the way, the beer costs 25 pesos and the chica drink 100 pesos; privadas cost 100 pesos, but they were also offering 2 for 1. salidas are also available, but there weren't any girls there worth taking out.

next, i crossed the street and walked the half block to mirage, which was by far the best club i visited that night. the place was packed with hot chicas and also packed with horny guys. there are always quite a few chicas at the mirage with fakes breasts- imports from guadalajara- and also a good selection of natural, thin chicas.

salidas are available, but very expensive. i was quoted 1,500 pesos to the club and 1,500 for the chica, but i know that that price is highly negotiable and you can get that price down as far as 50% with the right approach. they also have fs on premise in a room upstairs for 750 pesos to the house and 1,500 for the chica, but, again, that price is highly negotiable.

prices were much higher here than in the other two bars, but rightfully so:

45 pesos for a beer
100 or 150 for the chica drink
130 for a privada

the mirage makes you have a tab and doesn't let you pay as you order, like the other places. this makes it harder for you just to pop in to see what's what.

my favorite part of the night was when i was sitting with a chica here, named tabitha (a smoking hot brunette from guadalajara) who was being critical of one specific chica who had a lot of cosmetic work done. i asked her if she had had any cosmetic surgery and she insisted "no, no. i don't need it." she showed me her breasts to prove the point. later, as she was giving me a privada she had to come clean with what i knew all along- that she had fake boobs. i guess she had to confess because i was about to suck on one of her nipples and i could see a bit of a scar as well as feel the weight of the fake boobs in my hands. why would she even lie about that when she knew i'd get my hands on those things soon enough... :)

after i left the mirage i decided to take one for the team and call one of those 300 peso escorts that advertise in la voz. i was curious to see how good a 300 peso escort was.

i checked myself into the motel paris (150 pesos), which is around the corner from bar climaxxx and called 'em up. 20 mins later i got "the" knock and opened the door. she was ok, but nothing amazing. she was like a cleaner, less strung-out version of the street girls on heroes the nocupetaro street, behind the old bus terminal.

she gave me a decent bj and then i proceeded to hump her. i took awhile since i had been drinking, but i had a decent time. she wasn't neccesarily a clock-watcher, but after i finished she was getting changed and speed-walking out the door. i didn't care, though, as she wasn't all that great a conversationalist anyway.

the service was called chiquititas and they also have "modelos" at a price of 700 per hour. all in all, i got my 300 pesos worth, which isn't saying all that much. i probably would never call them again despite not having a bad time.

so, that was my saturday night on the prowl.

have fun, guys...

mill

Mill Just
09-06-07, 09:31
After a night of debauchery, I have two favorite spots that are open all night.

If I am anywhere near downtown, I MUST stop into La Burbuja, which is a half block down from the old bus terminal. I recommend the Cochinita Pibil and the Tacos al Pastor, along with a bag full of free totopos. Mmmmmm!!! Nothing hits the spot like a nice, starchy late-night meal after a night of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. Also, La Burbuja has an entertaining assortment of clients, ranging from Rancheros to transvestites to street performers (and even, one time, a table of clowns!). Prices are a bit steep (10 pesos per taco), but the portions are big and the food is delicious beyond belief.

Another good late night eatery is called Hamburguesas Gigantes right on the Periferico (where most of the strip clubs are located), almost directly across the street from the Mirage. Again, the tacos al pastor and the burrito al pastor are my favorites. It's not as good as La Burbuja, but its pretty damn good when its late at night and the embrace of a hot stripper is still in your short-term memory.

By the way, I'd like to say hello to the fellow gringo who was finishing up at Hamburguesas Gigantes as I was arriving Saturday night. He was a middle-aged guy with a beautiful chica that looked almost too young. I shook his hand and gave him THE nod as he was taking his chica with him for what would surely be a great night. He may be one of you guys and, if he is, then why the hell don't you report on what happened with your young, young pretty thing? I would surely like to know...

There are other late-night restaurants here in Morelia, but I thought I'd share my two favorites with y'all. The food is great in both places and, in over 7 years here, I've never gotten sick once at either of these places.

Have fun and Bon Apetit,

Mill

TeddyBoy
09-07-07, 06:09
Thank you for your truly outstanding reports from Morelia. I have read them all from the beginning. You are da man.

I will be visiting Morelia the month of January and intend to take Spanish language lessons from the Baden-Powell school. I also hope to meet you and buy you a drink.

I have visited Puerto Vallarta and Cozumel numerous times over the years, as I am a scuba diver. However, I have also been to those places during the summer and, for me, the weather is unbearable.

Since I have reached a point in my career where I can afford to take January through April off each year and since I live in the frigid north, I have decided to look seriously at the central Mexican plains area for possible yearly winter residence. I intend to be in Guadalajara, Lake Chapala, and San Miguel De Allende during February and March.

Having been divorced for double digit years and not in a hurry to do it again….I find mongering [when not in a monogamous relationship] to be an entertaining and fun distraction.

I have enjoyed mongering in Cuba, Argentina, Costa Rica, coastal Mexico and Europe. I am looking forward to checking out the central Mexican scene and will continue to follow your posts.

Clodbuster
09-07-07, 17:16
I will be visiting Morelia the month of January and intend to take Spanish language lessons from the Baden-Powell school. I also hope to meet you and buy you a drink.

Thanks for your Morelila report. I am interested in your plan to take Spanish language lessons at Baden-Powell. I went to ther website and they look like a quality school with reasonable prices. Can you tell us a little more about your decision and plan? Have you been there before? Have you had recommendations from others? Will you stay with a local family? Other Info??
Thanks.

MonterreyDude
09-08-07, 17:26
Mill... got news for you.
I might, just might be visiting Morelia in October for the film festival going on.
I have a relative that is in the movie business and they want all the family support.

Tell you about it later...

Travlnman Ny
09-08-07, 17:50
I'm sorry but I dont see one attractive lady in this entire thread. This certainly wouldnt be a destination I put on my list.

Mill Just
09-09-07, 01:13
Very Cool...It'd be a pleasure to have you...and the film festival is always a hoot...


Mill... got news for you.
I might, just might be visiting Morelia in October for the film festival going on.
I have a relative that is in the movie business and they want all the family support.

Tell you about it later...

Mill Just
09-09-07, 01:18
I'm sorry but I dont see one attractive lady in this entire thread. This certainly wouldnt be a destination I put on my list.

Good...too many gringos spoil a destination, anyway.

And...If you're seeing ladies in this thread, I suggest you put away the airplane glue ...this is not a photo thread.

Member #3453
09-19-07, 14:57
MJ,

I'm coming to Morelia with Carlos. I have baked you some cookies...

Pour some Leche...Get the Skittles ready. :D

Lookin' forward to it.

Set up those corn-fed flaca morenas.

MonterreyDude
09-19-07, 17:44
Never mind the flaca morenas...!!!
Line em up!!!!




MJ,

I'm coming to Morelia with Carlos. I have baked you some cookies...

Pour some Leche...Get the Skittles ready. :D

Lookin' forward to it.

Set up those corn-fed flaca morenas.

Prokofiev
09-19-07, 18:27
" I am interested in your plan to take Spanish language lessons at Baden-Powell. I went to ther website and they look like a quality school with reasonable prices. Have you been there before? "

I have studied Spanish at Morelia Baden-Powell on two different trips for several weeks. I think they have some of the best teachers I have ever encountered - and I've studied at 12-15 schools thru-out Mexico, Spain, Argentina. I give it my highest recommendation. Of course, I talking about serious language study, not just "having fun". I have been at other schools where there was a lot more "stuff" going on - more students, drinking in class, partying after school, etc.

They actually make most of their money teaching English to locals. You can help by attending an afternoon English class or the evening English-Spanish exchange hour. I actually taught several classes, as my Spanish is quite good. They love native English speakers because of the pronunciation problem. Even the best of their English teachers have terrible problems with pronunciation. Also several of the late classes have women 25-40, so it is possible to hit on the English students. I did - although the result was a disaster . . .

The Spanish group classes are usually 2-4 students. I took private 1 on 1 lessons. Depends on your ability and what you hope to accomplish. I take Spanish lessons almost everywhere I travel because:

1) They are cheap and an instant way to tie into the local culture.
2) Can hit on teachers and students.
3) Force my lazy ass to get out of bed by 9am
4) and I even learn a little more Spanish . . .

Good Luck, -P

Mill Just
09-19-07, 20:34
MJ,

I'm coming to Morelia with Carlos. I have baked you some cookies...

Pour some Leche...Get the Skittles ready. :D

Lookin' forward to it.

Set up those corn-fed flaca morenas.

Wow, I never imagined I'd see the day when both Carlos AND Uno would blow their way into my personal space!

I'll tell ya what, Uno, I'll trade you a taste of your cookies for a taste of Morelias finest pies...get it? ;)




Never mind the flaca morenas...!!!
Line em up!!!!

Let's see what you two pros of the big league game can do with some sweet, innocent Morelianas...I suspect that they won't have a chance!

Member #3453
09-19-07, 22:04
Sincerely looking forward to meeting you MJ...

I am bringing you some cookies, really. But, I promise not to embarrass you on your home turf by playing my Monterrey games in Morelia. Fact is, the cookies are for us. And, of course, as a public service, and as a benevolent act of kindness toward all Morelians, I would not want a huge exodus of bar girls from Morelia to Monterrey just because they are having a USB sugar attack...you see, "you can't eat just one."

But, really, honestly, I am looking forward to going somewhere new, a place where nobody knows me. It will be a fresh experience. Too many girls know me in MTY...I am too much a damned fixture. This is my chance to play the game a little differently...see how the other half lives.

See you in a couple of weeks. I feel like Mic Jaggar coming to Peoria.


Wow, I never imagined I'd see the day when both Carlos AND Uno would blow their way into my personal space!

I'll tell ya what, Uno, I'll trade you a taste of your cookies for a taste of Morelias finest pies...get it? ;)




Let's see what you two pros of the big league game can do with some sweet, innocent Morelianas...I suspect that they won't have a chance!

Mill Just
09-20-07, 07:22
See you in a couple of weeks. I feel like Mic Jaggar coming to Peoria.

LOL...Hmmmm...Maybe more like The Monkees coming to Springfield... :D

Member #3453
09-20-07, 14:20
LOL...Hmmmm...Maybe more like The Monkees coming to Springfield... :D


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...OUCH!!!...touchet!!! :D

Clodbuster
09-20-07, 19:08
[QUOTE=Prokofiev I have studied Spanish at Morelia Baden-Powell on two different trips for several weeks. I think they have some of the best teachers I have ever encountered - and I've studied at 12-15 schools thru-out Mexico, Spain, Argentina. I give it my highest recommendation.
1) They are cheap and an instant way to tie into the local culture.
2) Can hit on teachers and students.
3) Force my lazy ass to get out of bed by 9am
4) and I even learn a little more Spanish . . .
[/QUOTE]

Hey Provofiev -
Thanks for the information about these language schools. Sounds like you have lots of experience with these schools. I like the advantages you suggest, especially the "tie into the local culture". Have you ever stayed with a local family, as they offer at Baden-Powell in Morelia? I relaize this would interfere with any mongering activities, but might be a good option to really get a total immersion language experience. Just wondered how comfortable you were if you have tried this. Thanks Again.

Prokofiev
09-20-07, 21:30
Buster,

Yes, I have stayed with families in Puebla and Oaxaca (but NOT in Morelia) and enjoyed both and it worked out fine. Most students doing the home stay option are 18-25 yo. but I did it at 47 and 48 and it was fun and cheap. But you cannot bring home working girls - or any pick-ups for that matter. Each situation is different so it is hard to generalize. In Oaxaca, I did cooking with the lady of the house each day and it was as good as a formal cooking course. Maybe better- although her husband thought the whole thing a little weird - both a man cooking as well as being home with his wife each day. Oh well . . .

In Morelia there are a good number of SW's, but they usually want you to go to a hot sheet motel. I know Miller has done the escort to your room service many times and that would NOT work out so well with a family stay. MP's are not big in Morelia - at least not when I was there, but a few do exist.

Another option with some of the schools is to use them to get you a cheap apartment. If I stay more than about 5 days, I prefer to have more space and a kitchen/fridge. Many of the schools can hook you up with a decent place and that is often worth the tuition right there. Stayed 10 days in an apartment in Oaxaca as well as Merida. Will be in Quito Ecuador next week and I'll have the school owner pick me up at the airport ($6) and I'll stay in an apartment for $21 night. Private lessons with his stable of lady teachers = $4/hr. Can be at the school or use them as tour guides to see the city, eat lunch and practice my conversation skills. He seems very cool so I'll see what happens . . .

If you need more inside info on Baden-Powell or other Spanish school recommendations, just PM me.

Good Luck in Morelia. It's a very pleasant city. -P

Mill Just
09-21-07, 06:54
Yes, teaching and/or taking classes is a short cut to getting in good with the locals.

I have known a few people who have stayed with Mexican families and all had good experiences. Most of the people who take in foreign students are sophisticated, upper-class people who genuinely like Americans.

And with regard to mongering- there are plenty of "love motels" around town where you can rent up to 12 hr chunks for between 160-200 pesos and either bring in escorts or club girls without anyone knowing. Also, as Proko said, there are SW's and MPs that have on-site service...and most of the strip clubs have in-house FS as well.

Just in case someone wants to know, the motel that I recommend most is the Motel Paraiso, which is close to the bus terminal on the Periferico Paseo de la Republica. The cost is 200 pesos per stay, but the facilities are newer and cleaner than the rest of the "moteles de paso". Also, its within easy walking distance of the bus station where you can always be sure to find a taxi. The Motel Paraiso is located next to Bar La Playa, a low-end strip club with a bar on top that is in service during the day (one of the few places open during the day on the Periferico). Salidas at Bar La Playa are solicited and appreciated, but the chicas are usually not top-shelf.


Buster,

Yes, I have stayed with families in Puebla and Oaxaca (but NOT in Morelia) and enjoyed both and it worked out fine. Most students doing the home stay option are 18-25 yo. but I did it at 47 and 48 and it was fun and cheap. But you cannot bring home working girls - or any pick-ups for that matter. Each situation is different so it is hard to generalize. In Oaxaca, I did cooking with the lady of the house each day and it was as good as a formal cooking course. Maybe better- although her husband thought the whole thing a little weird - both a man cooking as well as being home with his wife each day. Oh well . . .

In Morelia there are a good number of SW's, but they usually want you to go to a hot sheet motel. I know Miller has done the escort to your room service many times and that would NOT work out so well with a family stay. MP's are not big in Morelia - at least not when I was there, but a few do exist.

Another option with some of the schools is to use them to get you a cheap apartment. If I stay more than about 5 days, I prefer to have more space and a kitchen/fridge. Many of the schools can hook you up with a decent place and that is often worth the tuition right there. Stayed 10 days in an apartment in Oaxaca as well as Merida. Will be in Quito Ecuador next week and I'll have the school owner pick me up at the airport ($6) and I'll stay in an apartment for $21 night. Private lessons with his stable of lady teachers = $4/hr. Can be at the school or use them as tour guides to see the city, eat lunch and practice my conversation skills. He seems very cool so I'll see what happens . . .

If you need more inside info on Baden-Powell or other Spanish school recommendations, just PM me.

Good Luck in Morelia. It's a very pleasant city. -P

Mill Just
09-26-07, 07:23
Saturday I decided to go back to "Masajes Sharon" since I had a pretty good time last time I was there. Instead of the chica I had last time, Monse, I opted for a cute morena named Vanessa.

After a decent massage, I took her up on her offer to give me a covered BJ. It was a very good BJ and she definitely knew her away around the "wein". Plenty of foreplay, kissing the "zone," ball-licking/fondling and tittie-f**king. Very nice indeed. It was fairly easy for me to convince her to allow me to take off the condom. I finished sans-condom while she was tittie-f**king me. Very, very nice indeed!

Vanessa is a short brunette with an olive complexion and an ample chest. Very cute face. Total cost was 200 pesos for the massage and 350 more for the blue-collar BJ.

For all the contact info and phone number of "Masajes Sharon," just check out post #194 in this same section.

Have Fun.

TeddyBoy
09-26-07, 15:25
Great report Mill. Do you have any photos you could post?

Mill Just
09-27-07, 07:27
Sorry, Rickster. I have to admit that I never tried very hard to take pics of the chicas. Maybe I'll give it a try next time...


Great report Mill. Do you have any photos you could post?

Mill Just
09-30-07, 08:24
Just a couple of details for those in or around Morelia:

In case you get hungry between sessions: The Chili's is up and running and has been for a couple of weeks now...The Applebee's will be opening soon...

The dance hall next to the Burbuja and Cueva de Chucho restaurants downtown (to the left hand side of the old bus terminal) has become a haven for off-duty escorts. The hall is called "Cueva de Chucho Salon de Baile," or something similar and it plays very loud Duranguense and Ranchero music and they have the occasional disco night. Remember, this is a regular dance hall with regular chicas, but it just so happens to also have in its population a good number of working chicas just looking to blow off some steam (and maybe blow something else off as well.)

Ticket price is 80 pesos and the place itself is kinda dumpy, but there are tons of gorgeous non-pro women who go in all sorts of skimpy outfits. I went a few times and saw a few of my old escort friends on the dance floor. A couple of friends also told me that they were approached by working chicas at that same hall, so it may be something to check out. This is also a good place for non-pro action because the girls look good, get tipsy and let down their guard. I plucked a non-pro chica from there last time and had a very good time back at the bachelor pad. She turned out to be a nut, but that's another story for another board...

Have Fun

Prokofiev
10-12-07, 17:40
Just a couple of details for those in or around Morelia:

In case you get hungry between sessions: The Chili's is up and running and has been for a couple of weeks now...The Applebee's will be opening soon...


No me digas! Chilis? Applebees?? Dios Mio!! Mill, my friend, you are slipping. Morleia has some of the best Mexican food around! Don't go over to the dark side . . .

But maybe Carlos and Uno will want to eat there.

Keep the faith, -P

Mill Just
10-14-07, 08:44
LOL. I went over to the dark side a long time ago...and there's no turning back now.

I still love the Mexican food and it IS great here, but after 7+ years here, sometimes you long for a good, greasy hamburger- something that, along with a decent Chicago-style pizza, is sorely lacking in Mexico.

I hate to say it, but Mexican food can be a bit monotonous at times, sorry guys. But, keep in mind that I live here and have been around the food for many years.

And, sorry to say, Carlos and Uno couldn't make it, but maybe it was for the best because I had a sort of epiphany these last few days that I'll talk about in my next post.


No me digas! Chilis? Applebees?? Dios Mio!! Mill, my friend, you are slipping. Morleia has some of the best Mexican food around! Don't go over to the dark side . . .

But maybe Carlos and Uno will want to eat there.

Keep the faith, -P

Mill Just
10-14-07, 10:45
I had some time on my hands the last few days and since Uno and Carlos bailed on their trip to Morelia, I decided to take it upon myself to molest all the Morelianas I could all by myself...

I did the rounds on Wednesday night and was planning on visiting my usual haunts. I first stopped in Hot Lady's Club where I met a girl who said she's an import from Monterrey! How's that for symbolic? She was decent, so I bought her a drink and eased into the topic of FS. She said that she still didn't know how much the girls charged in Morelia, but in MTY they charged 1,300 for in-house FS. LOL! I chuckled aloud, picked up my beer and wished her luck. 1,300 pesos would buy me FS with two much hotter chicas here, so I didn't even wish to negotiate and I left the bar still with a grin on my face.

I then visited a couple of other places. Suddenly, like being struck by a bolt of lightning, I had my epiphany. I heard angels singing and saw a ray of light descend upon me as I came to the ultimate conclusion, a conclusion that was going to save me a ton of money and frustration here in the heartland of Mexico:

STRIP CLUBS ARE FOR A BUNCH OF SAPS!!!!!

I know, for most of you, I am only stating the obvious. To be honest, though, this is something that I learned long ago and only recently started to forget. I am so sick of strip clubs where you have to deal with all these idiots with their hands out, overpriced drinks, chicas who are just so obvious in wanting to suck every coin from your pocket, etc, etc...You end up spending so much for so little in the way of real, quality service. I just think that anyone who consistantly goes to a strip club to get laid is a big sucker with way too much money on their hands.

Now, I didn't come to this conclusion because I had a bad time on Wed. Night. Truth is, I had just as good a time as any. But on my way home, I just realized that I was sick of seeing fake girls in a fake environment surrounded by a bunch of fake-ass glad-handers practically sucking your balls for tips. I was sick of chica's drinks and the whole negotiation process when it comes to sex with them. You won't be seeing me back at a strip club.

So, with this new mindset, I explored other venues in Morelia and made an appointment at Sharon's massage parlor, which I wrote about in previous posts. I made a date with Vanessa, the cute morena with the nice rack. I had a great time with her and got a BBJ, CIM with plenty of foreplay and cuddling. I also got the tour of the place and an introduction to all of the chicas working there. Chicas, who by the way, sat down with me for about an hour while chatting and never once asked for me to buy them a drink or buy them a cigarette or anything. Heck, they even offered me something to eat! I left after about 3 hrs of massage, BJ, and good conversation- all for 550 pesos. No strings attached and no tips begged for. Also, on this same trip, I met the girl who has changed my mongering life...the lovely "K"!!! I am witholding her real name just as others do, just so I can keep her all to myself and I will only share her real name with members I can trust because I just don't want to ruin a good thing. Providers like her simply do not come along too often.

After meeting "K" on Thursday, I knew that I had to make a date with her for Friday. She is a very cute, very young-looking morena with a slender, wonderfully golden-brown body and a stunning smile. I made the appointment with her for 2pm, after she gets out of school (!). She actually showed up early and what proceeded was the single best mongering experience of my life:

We started with a very good massage which evolved into a FS session. She had the cutest, hottest little body and had no babies, so there were no stretch marks or C section scars and everything was just sooo tight on her! Its hard to describe the passion that she delivered in that small massage room, but there was a lot of DFK, deep throat BJ, ball play, mutual masturbation, finger penetration, dining at the Y, every possible position and plenty of writhing and moaning, all culminating with her allowing me to spray all over her tanned, flat belly and her taking a lick for good measure! The session went on for close to two hours while she washed me up with warm towels after the session and gave me a passionate kiss on the way out. She legitimately seemed to enjoy her work and enjoyed making me come as much as possible. The cost for all this was 800 pesos. Now compare that to what I would've got from that cold fish who wanted 1,300 pesos at the club for just pulling my pants down and sticking it in for 15 mins in a some dingy back room.

Again, I recommend Sharon's and you can get all the contact info from my previous posts about the MP. By the way, I met six of the girls who work there and 4 are real stunners while another one is a bit older and the sixth is a fatty with a cute face. All are pleasant girls and the 3 workers with whom I've personally sessioned have all given me excellent service with "K" being at the very top of all lists.

There are also many escort services that offer up some really hot chicas who give very good service at prices that are much more reasonable than anything you'll find in any strip club after factoring in drinks and privados and tips.

So, in conclusion, you guys can have your strip clubs. Keep the noise and the cost and the bad attitudes. I'll be off to the side banging real Morelianas at a fraction of the price. I've finally seen the light and no strip club is ever going to be able to keep my hard-earned money again...

Have Fun,

Mill

Member #3453
10-14-07, 12:54
I had my epiphany

Your post vividly illustrates the difference between the Monterrey venue and the Morelia venue with respect to pricing. In the low end massage parlors of Monterrey, three hours would cost you dearly, at least 1300-1650 pesos, or possibly a little less with a volume discount. And, I shutter to contemplate the cost at Misses or Romanos for three hours, probably around 3000-4000 pesos at least. But, frankly, even for my own strategy in Monterrey, it is possible that finding and romancing some girls from the massage parlor scene could possibly yield good salida material for extended time back at the hotel. That is a real possibility. However, my experience with respect to the selection at the massage parlors of MTY is not good, with the possible exception of places like Misses, Romanos, and Signore. The rest are truly hit and miss. So, for my part, with time always being of the essence, and not having a lot of spare time for the hunt, the strip clubs have always yielding the quickest path to decent selection. But, I think that I will definitely try the MP route at Signore next trip.

Plus, you are also leaving out the comradre that we have in the strip clubs between the gang of mongers that congregate there. It is the comradre that also benefits us signficantly, apart from strictly making selections of girls for salida action.

And, frankly, the escort options in Monterrey are more expensive, and less reliable with respect to selection. The best selection is almost universally found in the strip clubs of Monterrey because girls make more money there than they can in the MPs, or working for escort services. So, your selection is better statistically from the strip clubs. Plus, I always like to select from a nude selection of potential candidates, rather than taking my chances at the unwrapping.

However, I totally sympathize with your frustration in dealing with the strip club scenario. It can be very frustrating, expensive, and I constantly complain about it in the Monterrey section.

Now, you may have perfectly good results selecting from the escort services, but in Monterrey, you have to be a little skeptical of what they send you. If you are achieving goal with respect to selection through the escort services in Morelia, then more power to you. It just illustrates the differences between the two venues. I do not doubt your assessment of the preferrable venue in Morelia in the least.

I agree with your final conclusions, but not because I would necessarily be adverse to strip clubs, but because the guy, MillJust, has his act together and can find action that is better in other venues besides the strip clubs. I would follow your lead blindly were I to actually be able to be there someday, and I would follow your lead without question. It just goes to show that there is simply no substitute for experience in our respective venues.

Mill Just
10-14-07, 18:52
True...and that's why it's impossible to paint any country's mongering with such broad strokes. Each city is a world unto itself.

I find that Mp and escort chicas here in Morelia are just more natural chicas and more apt to provide GFE and/or extra services. I have been invited out to dance or eat by chicas after many sessions. They are more personable and less mercenary and the relaxed, quiet atmosphere of your hotel or a private massage room offers a much better environment in which to actually hold a conversation with your girl as opposed to the rushed and noisy atmosphere of a strip club. Remember, the escorts and the MP chicas are often real semi-pro girls who actually are hiding their chosen professions and have never been taught how to milk a customer. And if you don't like the quality of the chica sent to you by the escort service? Send 'em back and you'll get another one sent to your door. These services are indeed user friendly and understand that keeping the customer happy is the key to a succesful business.

And as for my comrades...I much prefer to get laid at a cheaper rate and bond with my buddies over a beer and a nice meal in a good restaurant where nobody bothers you.

But I understand that things are set up differently in MTY, so I only speak of my personal likes here.

In general, though, most club girls (even the best) are more hardened than the typical escort or MP girl, who are less polished, more real and more apt to give a real GFE under the right circumstances. Quality of chica is what often tips the scale over to the strip clubs, but not here in Morelia where I've found chicas every bit as gorgeous as strip club chicas at the escort services and MPs at a fraction of the cost and headache.

Now, I'm not even saying that I've been mistreated here at the clubs. I'm just saying that the payoff at the end is often not worth the effort. I don't get hussled or cheated because I know the game, but I just don't need the trouble of being on guard. When I go out, I want to have fun with a hot chica and not have to worry about playing the game.

Have Fun,

Mill


Your post vividly illustrates the difference between the Monterrey venue and the Morelia venue with respect to pricing. In the low end massage parlors of Monterrey, three hours would cost you dearly, at least 1300-1650 pesos, or possibly a little less with a volume discount. And, I shutter to contemplate the cost at Misses or Romanos for three hours, probably around 3000-4000 pesos at least. But, frankly, even for my own strategy in Monterrey, it is possible that finding and romancing some girls from the massage parlor scene could possibly yield good salida material for extended time back at the hotel. That is a real possibility. However, my experience with respect to the selection at the massage parlors of MTY is not good, with the possible exception of places like Misses, Romanos, and Signore. The rest are truly hit and miss. So, for my part, with time always being of the essence, and not having a lot of spare time for the hunt, the strip clubs have always yielding the quickest path to decent selection. But, I think that I will definitely try the MP route at Signore next trip.

Plus, you are also leaving out the comradre that we have in the strip clubs between the gang of mongers that congregate there. It is the comradre that also benefits us signficantly, apart from strictly making selections of girls for salida action.

And, frankly, the escort options in Monterrey are more expensive, and less reliable with respect to selection. The best selection is almost universally found in the strip clubs of Monterrey because girls make more money there than they can in the MPs, or working for escort services. So, your selection is better statistically from the strip clubs. Plus, I always like to select from a nude selection of potential candidates, rather than taking my chances at the unwrapping.

However, I totally sympathize with your frustration in dealing with the strip club scenario. It can be very frustrating, expensive, and I constantly complain about it in the Monterrey section.

Now, you may have perfectly good results selecting from the escort services, but in Monterrey, you have to be a little skeptical of what they send you. If you are achieving goal with respect to selection through the escort services in Morelia, then more power to you. It just illustrates the differences between the two venues. I do not doubt your assessment of the preferrable venue in Morelia in the least.

I agree with your final conclusions, but not because I would necessarily be adverse to strip clubs, but because the guy, MillJust, has his act together and can find action that is better in other venues besides the strip clubs. I would follow your lead blindly were I to actually be able to be there someday, and I would follow your lead without question. It just goes to show that there is simply no substitute for experience in our respective venues.

TeddyBoy
10-14-07, 19:30
Great Thread Mill Just and UnSpongeBob,

This is a facinating discussion of the differences and similarities of Mexican locales.

My guess is a monger's Spanish skills would have to be pretty good to follow Mill Just's method of MP's and escorts.

I am interested to know if rudimentary Spanish would be good enough?

Mill Just
10-14-07, 20:02
Right now, I'm pretty fluent in my Spanish language skills, but I actually got the same amount of GFE action when my Spanish was a little rawer. Believe me when I say that these girls will go that extra mile in order to be able to communicate with a nice gringo.

I said this before and I'll say it again, but Morelia is one of the few larger Mexican cities where being an American actually still works to your advantage.

The sex trade hasn't been so exploited here yet and the chicas don't do a lot of high-volume work, so they don't seem quite as jaded as in other areas. A rare gringo that comes in for service gets the red carpet rolled out for him.

Have Fun,

Mill


Great Thread Mill Just and UnSpongeBob,

This is a facinating discussion of the differences and similarities of Mexican locales.

My guess is a monger's Spanish skills would have to be pretty good to follow Mill Just's method of MP's and escorts.

I am interested to know if rudimentary Spanish would be good enough?

TeddyBoy
10-14-07, 20:17
It always good news to know one is welcome. Thank you for sharing that info Mill Just.

I spent September traveling in England, Scotland, Norway and Germany and was prepared to find at least an underlining feeling of resentment for being an American. I didn't see or sense it. In fact, people were very friendly and I had a great time. I mongered in Edinburgh and Frankfurt FKK clubs. See my ISG posts.

In the end, I believe I would have to say my very best mongering experience has been in Buneos Aries, San Jose, Costa Rica, and Havana. So I guess that makes me a latina-phile of sorts.

I will be staying in Morelia for the month of January and am currently investigating living arrangments. It appears the apartment option may be the way to go as I need internet service.

Where is the best part of town for me to rent? I intend to follow the Mill Just school of mongering and avoid the strip clubs. It's hard for me to get a feel of the size of the city and as such am undecided on whether I should rent a car for my stay. All advice and suggestions are appreciated.

Mill Just
10-14-07, 20:51
Well, Morelia is approx. the size of Detroit. The more up-scale areas are El Centro Historico and Camelinas with Santa Maria and Torreon Nuevo being good areas, but a little far out from downtown and the malls. But anything within the city is safe. Living downtown would be the best option if possible, just so you can get a feel for the city.

Taxi fare here is usually between 30-40 pesos for anywhere in the city. Because Morelia is a colonial city, built long before the idea of traffic was taken into consideration, traffic can be horrendous in the downtown area. For that reason, I would recommend taking a taxi if you stay downtown. With narrow, colonial streets and very little parking available, having a car downtown would be a pain in the ass. But. if you stay downtown, most services will be within walking distance and, besides, the downtown area is simply beautiful.

And if you do need a cab, every place worth visiting in Morelia is swarming with taxis and they are safe and secure. Personally, I had bought a car and sold it recently just because it was becoming more of a liability than an asset when it came to finding parking and dealing with rush hour traffic.

Ask away if you have any further questions...


It always good news to know one is welcome. Thank you for sharing that info Mill Just.

I spent September traveling in England, Scotland, Norway and Germany and was prepared to find at least an underlining feeling of resentment for being an American. I didn't see or sense it. In fact, people were very friendly and I had a great time. I mongered in Edinburgh and Frankfurt FKK clubs. See my ISG posts.

In the end, I believe I would have to say my very best mongering experience has been in Buneos Aries, San Jose, Costa Rica, and Havana. So I guess that makes me a latina-phile of sorts.

I will be staying in Morelia for the month of January and am currently investigating living arrangments. It appears the apartment option may be the way to go as I need internet service.

Where is the best part of town for me to rent? I intend to follow the Mill Just school of mongering and avoid the strip clubs. It's hard for me to get a feel of the size of the city and as such am undecided on whether I should rent a car for my stay. All advice and suggestions are appreciated.

Precocious One
10-16-07, 23:20
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

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Mill Just
10-17-07, 07:26
Wow, Precious...and it only took you about 3 weeks to come up with that witty zinger! LOL. Man, how many years ago was that post? 5? 6? You are definitely a Grade-A moron. LOL. Things have definitely changed since then.

It was truly an epic undertaking, what with you going through 300+ of my posts, over the course of 7 years. You must truly have a rewarding life. May I suggest another hobby like needle point or paint by numbers? The one good thing that can come of you digging so far back into my previous posts is that you've hopefully learned something. We can all hope.

Now, please leave us grown ups alone. You are way out of your league, Precious.

Strike 69
10-26-07, 05:49
I had some time on my hands the last few days and since Uno and Carlos bailed on their trip to Morelia, I decided to take it upon myself to molest all the Morelianas I could all by myself...

I did the rounds on Wednesday night and was planning on visiting my usual haunts. I first stopped in Hot Lady's Club where I met a girl who said she's an import from Monterrey! How's that for symbolic? She was decent, so I bought her a drink and eased into the topic of FS. She said that she still didn't know how much the girls charged in Morelia, but in MTY they charged 1,300 for in-house FS. LOL! I chuckled aloud, picked up my beer and wished her luck. 1,300 pesos would buy me FS with two much hotter chicas here, so I didn't even wish to negotiate and I left the bar still with a grin on my face.

I then visited a couple of other places. Suddenly, like being struck by a bolt of lightning, I had my epiphany. I heard angels singing and saw a ray of light descend upon me as I came to the ultimate conclusion, a conclusion that was going to save me a ton of money and frustration here in the heartland of Mexico:

STRIP CLUBS ARE FOR A BUNCH OF SAPS!!!!!

I know, for most of you, I am only stating the obvious. To be honest, though, this is something that I learned long ago and only recently started to forget. I am so sick of strip clubs where you have to deal with all these idiots with their hands out, overpriced drinks, chicas who are just so obvious in wanting to suck every coin from your pocket, etc, etc...You end up spending so much for so little in the way of real, quality service. I just think that anyone who consistantly goes to a strip club to get laid is a big sucker with way too much money on their hands.

Now, I didn't come to this conclusion because I had a bad time on Wed. Night. Truth is, I had just as good a time as any. But on my way home, I just realized that I was sick of seeing fake girls in a fake environment surrounded by a bunch of fake-ass glad-handers practically sucking your balls for tips. I was sick of chica's drinks and the whole negotiation process when it comes to sex with them. You won't be seeing me back at a strip club.

So, with this new mindset, I explored other venues in Morelia and made an appointment at Sharon's massage parlor, which I wrote about in previous posts. I made a date with Vanessa, the cute morena with the nice rack. I had a great time with her and got a BBJ, CIM with plenty of foreplay and cuddling. I also got the tour of the place and an introduction to all of the chicas working there. Chicas, who by the way, sat down with me for about an hour while chatting and never once asked for me to buy them a drink or buy them a cigarette or anything. Heck, they even offered me something to eat! I left after about 3 hrs of massage, BJ, and good conversation- all for 550 pesos. No strings attached and no tips begged for. Also, on this same trip, I met the girl who has changed my mongering life...the lovely "K"!!! I am witholding her real name just as others do, just so I can keep her all to myself and I will only share her real name with members I can trust because I just don't want to ruin a good thing. Providers like her simply do not come along too often.

After meeting "K" on Thursday, I knew that I had to make a date with her for Friday. She is a very cute, very young-looking morena with a slender, wonderfully golden-brown body and a stunning smile. I made the appointment with her for 2pm, after she gets out of school (!). She actually showed up early and what proceeded was the single best mongering experience of my life:

We started with a very good massage which evolved into a FS session. She had the cutest, hottest little body and had no babies, so there were no stretch marks or C section scars and everything was just sooo tight on her! Its hard to describe the passion that she delivered in that small massage room, but there was a lot of DFK, deep throat BJ, ball play, mutual masturbation, finger penetration, dining at the Y, every possible position and plenty of writhing and moaning, all culminating with her allowing me to spray all over her tanned, flat belly and her taking a lick for good measure! The session went on for close to two hours while she washed me up with warm towels after the session and gave me a passionate kiss on the way out. She legitimately seemed to enjoy her work and enjoyed making me come as much as possible. The cost for all this was 800 pesos. Now compare that to what I would've got from that cold fish who wanted 1,300 pesos at the club for just pulling my pants down and sticking it in for 15 mins in a some dingy back room.

Again, I recommend Sharon's and you can get all the contact info from my previous posts about the MP. By the way, I met six of the girls who work there and 4 are real stunners while another one is a bit older and the sixth is a fatty with a cute face. All are pleasant girls and the 3 workers with whom I've personally sessioned have all given me excellent service with "K" being at the very top of all lists.

There are also many escort services that offer up some really hot chicas who give very good service at prices that are much more reasonable than anything you'll find in any strip club after factoring in drinks and privados and tips.

So, in conclusion, you guys can have your strip clubs. Keep the noise and the cost and the bad attitudes. I'll be off to the side banging real Morelianas at a fraction of the price. I've finally seen the light and no strip club is ever going to be able to keep my hard-earned money again...

Have Fun,

Mill

I'm currently mongering in Monterrey and I have to agree with your thoughts about strip clubs vs escorts. I do like strip clubs in Mty but I found the scene a bit frustrating sometimes. I prefer escort services and sadly in Mty I have found one (maybe two if I include the MP misses which send some girls to outcall services) decent provider of escorts (bomboncitas regias) in contrast there's an obscene aumount of strip clubs here.....

For me escorts are like ordering food to a restaurant when you are hungry.... they arrive right to your room, you eat, you enjoy.... you get satisfaction and tha'ts it..... there's no need to lose time (and money) with privados, drinks at the strip clubs where everybody is watching you .......Dont Misunderstand Me I do like strip clubs but overall I prefer the privacy of a hotel room with an escort in it. That's why I like Mexico city (despite it's a dangerous city) the best escorts I've found in Mexico are in there....

Can you please provide some information about the escort escene in Morelia (Links or some info) I heard that girls are very pretty there ..........

Mill Just
10-26-07, 07:12
I agree completely. I much prefer to have a chica in my room without all the leg work involved with mongering at a strip club. I also like strip clubs and I defintely think that they have their place in the world. But I only like them on an occasional basis and, in my opinion, they aren't very dependable when looking for consistantly good FS. Plus, price is a big drawback as well.

As I was telling Carlos, the escorts' only drawing power is their sex whereas a strip club girl has many other ways to make money (drinks, privados, etc.). In order to make money an escort MUST establish a clientele, and she does this by providing good service. A lazy escort is a poor escort. But believe me, there are plenty of lazy escorts, as well, who simply don't care about the service they provide, but that attitude is much more common among strippers, who are led to believe that they are goddesses.

Probably, 95 of my top 100 mongering experiences have been with either escorts or MPs. So, that says a lot...

Morelia is crawling with escort services and many more pop up every day. Some are as low as 300 pesos per hour and some as high as 1,200. Service is basically the same as what you've seen in Mexico City. You can find several ads for services in the classified section of La Voz de Michoacan newspaper. Many more are around that don't advertise or couldn't make the deadline for publication. Also, there is a casa de citas here that has a delivery service. Quality may be an issue when it comes to the casa de citas, though, because I've seen young beauties there and I've seen pigs. Cold calling might result in you getting sent a porker.

A couple of suggestions, most of which I'm sure you already know:

1) When calling an escort service, always make sure to ask if you can send the chica back if she's not to your liking. You can always do so, but asking the question will let them know that you are likely to return the chica if they send a fugly broad. Typically, it'll cost you 50 pesos in cabfare to send the chica back.

2) Skip the 300 and 400 peso services unless you like low-end chicas who will sprint out the door as soon as you finish. 600 pesos and up is a good price. I've had real beauties show up for 600 pesos and real dogs show up for 800, but the added price will usually weed out the skags.

3) Ask for exclusivas, which are the higher quality chicas. Most escort services will have a class structure going from Edecanes (600 pesos) to Modelos (800) to Exclusivas (1000-1200). Some of the exclusivas will take your breath away!

4) Always get a chica's private cell phone number for after-hour session possibilities. You may end up getting the chica of your choice for up to 50% less than what the service charges you and for longer periods of time. Most chicas will make a side arrangement with you unless you look deranged, like a cop or like a spy for their service.

5) Always book an hour for a service you are using for the first time. Once you like a particular service or chica, the 1.5 or 2 hour rates are more economical.

6) Try to avoid calling late at night when only a few are awake and working- The chica who comes to your door will be in a rush to get to her other clients. Also, avoid calling during holidays. I recommend calling in the early afternoon and I've found that Saturdays (payday!) yield the biggest selection of chicas.

There is a nice blog by a cyber friend that lists many of the escort services in Morelia along with their price structures and phone numbers. The writer of the blog has nothing to do with any of the services and doesn't recommend any specific services. Check your PM for the direction.

Personally, my favorites are Elegance and New Imagen (both owned by the same person). Most of the chicas there are gorgeous and all provide good, passionate service. Their coaches must be excellent. I have never sent back a chica from either of these services. I have also had good experiences with Fashion, Ositas Candentes, Sin Limites and Cielo. I have yet to be burnt by any escort service here in Morelia, but some are just better workers than others.


I'm currently mongering in Monterrey and I have to agree with your thoughts about strip clubs vs escorts. I do like strip clubs in Mty but I found the scene a bit frustrating sometimes. I prefer escort services and sadly in Mty I have found one (maybe two if I include the MP misses which send some girls to outcall services) decent provider of escorts (bomboncitas regias) in contrast there's an obscene aumount of strip clubs here.....

For me escorts are like ordering food to a restaurant when you are hungry.... they arrive right to your room, you eat, you enjoy.... you get satisfaction and tha'ts it..... there's no need to lose time (and money) with privados, drinks at the strip clubs where everybody is watching you .......Dont Misunderstand Me I do like strip clubs but overall I prefer the privacy of a hotel room with an escort in it. That's why I like Mexico city (despite it's a dangerous city) the best escorts I've found in Mexico are in there....

Can you please provide some information about the escort escene in Morelia (Links or some info) I heard that girls are very pretty there ..........

Strike 69
10-26-07, 16:06
i agree completely. i much prefer to have a chica in my room without all the leg work involved with mongering at a strip club. i also like strip clubs and i defintely think that they have their place in the world. but i only like them on an occasional basis and, in my opinion, they aren't very dependable when looking for consistantly good fs. plus, price is a big drawback as well.

as i was telling carlos, the escorts' only drawing power is their sex whereas a strip club girl has many other ways to make money (drinks, privados, etc.). in order to make money an escort must establish a clientele, and she does this by providing good service. a lazy escort is a poor escort. but believe me, there are plenty of lazy escorts, as well, who simply don't care about the service they provide, but that attitude is much more common among strippers, who are led to believe that they are goddesses.

probably, 95 of my top 100 mongering experiences have been with either escorts or mps. so, that says a lot...

s.

again you are absolutely right man!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you very much for the information i was unable to see the link of the blog that you send me through pm (check you pm please for further details).
there's some strip clubs in mty that make profit not for sex itself instead they earn money by selling drinks, they don't care whether you have full service with or not with the girls as long as you keep buying expensive drinks and some of them go even further if you don't buy enough drinks they simple ask you to "leave". gosh i if go to a strip club i'm aspecting to have sex with a hot chica not to get myself drunk instead.

carlos is the expert when comes to strip clubs i'm not, but another thing that i hate is when they don't allow full service. for what is worth going to a club to watch hot girls if you cannot enjoy them?? it's like when you are very hungry you go to a restaurant and you pay in order to see to menu but you find out that you cannot eat ...... just watch..... and nothing more..... that's very frustrating. it should be against human rights to put a man (or woman) horny as hell and prevent him or her to have sexual satisfaction.

other thing that prevents me to "embrace" the strip club scene is that in some clubs you need to go with someone else because it could be dangerous is you go alone, and with escorts the majority of the time you don't need to be accompanied (unless you want a threesome) when you call an agency or independent from a hotel room.

i think strip clubs have their hardcore fans and it's fine with me sometimes it's fun to go there but i think there should be many options available for every sector of the mongering population in mty for example: escorts, mp, strip clubs and many others.... not only strip clubs having 60- 80 % of the sex market there.....

and regarding escorts and mp in mty here's my recommendations:

bomboncitas regias

http://bomboncitasregias.com/home.htm

this is one of the best agencies (along with misses) in mty sometimes they also have independent girls. prices are high (like misses) can very from 250 dollars to 300 dollars.......

they have a forum (foro) in which you can read reviews, get in touch with the latest information (its in spanish if you have any questions contact me and i will translate it for you)

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/foros/index.php

misses

http://www.misses.com.mx/

this is an incall (casa de citas) who also offers outcalls.
they website it has not been updated in long time but the 90 % girls there are hot as hell. always ask what you can do and what you don't with the girl..... if you become "friend" or "regular" of an especific gir you can negotiate some extras $$ like bbbj or daty
prices vary from 170 to 250 usd
to website is only woth to get their adresses and theri phone number.

too much model

http://www.2muchmodel.com

another agency but its ymmv some times you can find a jewel or two sometimes you can find nothing (not even enough working girls) . they have promitions with some girls that include "free hotel room" (they discount you the hotel fee from the total cost of the girl)

regio escorts

http://www.modelosmonterrey.com

they have few girls... but sometimes you can find very pretty an/or hot girls who are gfe ... sometimes not because cuz you cand find some who are ymmv... make sure to ask the type of services of each girl by phone.

luces azules... i haven't tried this one but anyway i'm putting the link:

http://www.lucesazules.com/

i've heard good recomendations about "karla" they say is a 18 y.o. who offers pse services ..

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a couple of tasty teens who work as escorts

http://www.gratisweb.com/lolitasregias/

golden girls

fitness girls working as escorts:

http://www.goldengirls.com.mx/

some mp's:

http://www.romanosescort.com.mx

it's the sister *****house of misses... it's not that expensive but quality of girls also drops a bit

http://www.passion.com.mx

they have some videos of the girls in the website.... ask for "paloma" a chihuahuan girl with the body of a pornstar (she travels often so ask when she will working) .

http://www.lasflorecitas.com.mx/page3.php

this is a low end mp

reducline

http://reducline.8k.com/

it's in carlos salazar ask for andrea a girl with a very tight pussy and a professional of blowjobs... this place is another low end mp.

estetica versace

http://www.esteticaversace.com/

and the infamous marcella mp..... it's a low end mp... (a pop costs 50 dollars) but from time to time they have girls hot as hell (usually teens or very young chicks) if you find a girl that you like ask for her phone number in order to see her outside because the next time you return you maybe won't find her there anymore...........

www.pompis.com.mx


signore

unospongebob can tell you more about this place (i haven't went there yet)

http://www.signore.com.mx/

faraonas

another infamous mp well know in mty

http://www.faraonas.com/

regarding strip clubs (table dances) carlos is the expert... there's too many of them in mty so for further details ask him......

Prokofiev
10-26-07, 18:35
Strike,

This looks like a nice report with plenty of useful info - some of which I have not seen or heard of before. Great . . .

But WHY are you posting it here??? Won't help anyone if it's under the wrong city and region.

I'll try to put it in the MTY Reports of Distinction.

BTW, you seem to spend alot. I saw some nice stuff at Misses myself, but I will not drop $200 US plus in Mexico. Try an afternoon special at Signone for $15.

Cheers, -P

Ezerider
11-03-07, 23:38
Whassup fellas and the occassional gal? New here and have enjoyed reading some of your posts. Pretty informative. I've been a frequent traveler to Latin American countries in the past, but these days it seems I spend more time in Mexico. To be precise, Morelia, at least, parts there abouts. I'm curious to hear from MillJust regarding where to start the search. I'm 41 and not bad to look at and would love to a GFE once or twice a month at least. Quality counts. Apparently I've been doing it all wrong in the past as I enjoyed visits to Strip Clubs, granted usually not getting good deals, but I like that Morelia is a University city and that young women looking for extra cash will be escorts. Plus, it works favorably that they do daytime calls. My nights will not be as available as I'd like for awhile. In any event, I'll be in that area for around 3 to 4 months and would appreciate any help you think worth offering.
later.

Mill Just
11-04-07, 09:00
Hi Eze,

You are completely right about Morelia being a University city and that being a big boost to the escort scene (By the way, its also a big plus in the non-pro scene as well). I was once interviewed for an escort chica's class project after one of our sessions. Kinda tripy to be asked to help with the girl's homework after screwing her in almost every way imagineable.

Morelia is definitely an escort city with a good selection of girls at relatively low prices, minus all the extra hassle and cost of mongering in strip clubs. But deals can still be made at the strip clubs. Although I've been a bit harsh when talking about strip clubs recently, they are definitely an option and good deals can be made with the right strategy, right girl etc. But in my humble opinion, when factoring in chica drinks and the interview process for finding the right girl, you'll end up paying almost three times the amount you'd pay a similarly attractive escort for a session that will most likely be shorter and less "GFE-esque" than her escort competitor.

There are actually some escort that you can take on a date and not have to hide from the rest of polite society. I have dated strippers and most are very lacking in social graces while some are just plain obnoxious. The class factor goes a long way when wanting something other than a quick screw in a motel room.

Eze, if you're going to spend 3 or 4 months here, I suggest that you begin networking with quality providers from day 1. Being a known commodity and having a network of good chicas will go a long way toward getting consistantly good service from the chicas.

You're going to have a blast here. I have mongered in many Mexican cities and the girls from Morelia are the nicest with the softest way about them. Many are indistinguishable from "regular," non-pro chicas.

Ask away if you'd like any specifics.

Have Fun,

Mill

Whassup fellas and the occassional gal? New here and have enjoyed reading some of your posts. Pretty informative. I've been a frequent traveler to Latin American countries in the past, but these days it seems I spend more time in Mexico. To be precise, Morelia, at least, parts there abouts. I'm curious to hear from MillJust regarding where to start the search. I'm 41 and not bad to look at and would love to a GFE once or twice a month at least. Quality counts. Apparently I've been doing it all wrong in the past as I enjoyed visits to Strip Clubs, granted usually not getting good deals, but I like that Morelia is a University city and that young women looking for extra cash will be escorts. Plus, it works favorably that they do daytime calls. My nights will not be as available as I'd like for awhile. In any event, I'll be in that area for around 3 to 4 months and would appreciate any help you think worth offering.
later.

Ezerider
11-04-07, 19:10
say mill, whassup? thanks for the reply--and so speedy. cool.

isn't the internet awesome? i used to gripe a little about all the new "technology" taking the "romance" out of travels. there once was a time you entered into a new town completely a foreigner. if you thought ahead any you might have a copy of the let's go series, but generally speaking you had little if any information to work with. there was something "pure" about the experience. however, i have come to embrace the resources now available to travelers as i realize "romance" is for suckers.

in any event, i should set foot on mexican soil the middle of this month. your approach seems aggressive and i hope i can keep pace with all your future suggestions. i feel like a virgin all over again.

mill, do you have any gals "first-timers" to suggest in the morelia area? or a place to grab a brew and chill with beautiful women creating the ambience? it's nice to know i will be getting reliable info. and won't have to sweat the small stuff. i'm a man that likes a good game plan.

send me in coach, i'm ready!

chillin' eze.

Ezerider
11-04-07, 19:25
Wanted to inquire a little more about the "class" structure. I totally get you when you once wrote that some women aren't appropriate for "societal outings". It would be nice to go out and do something prior or after the "event". I guess I'm old school in that regard. I'll be studying up on my spanish in some structured classes for the first few weeks I'm down there then, of course, it's about keeping it fresh and I love talking to the chica's! A couple on either arm would be a sweet deal, but I'll start with one. Oh, and how are they with the age thing? Most likely it would bother me more than them--at least that's what they might say, but is it true? I mean the fact is Latin women are at their best in the twenties and only a handful seem to age well--regardless of class. I understand the "hard" life predetermines alot but even with those who have a privileged life the vintage look seems gloomy. So twenty-something it is. So what are some ideas for "going out" with an escort to do?

I'll be in touch later.

Eze

Ezerider
11-04-07, 19:53
I've noticed you have a few hundred posts. Are you in the Morelia area? Can you name a place to get ones feet wet. A sure thing with minimum effort that has a face worth facing. Curious to hear your input.

Eze.

Mill Just
11-05-07, 10:29
Eze,

The chicas worth hanging with (i.e. the classy escort-types) are usually working in the services incognito and their families have no idea what they do. But there is no weirdness factor in "dating" an older man. So, given that you hit it off, there is no problem with hanging together at a club or at the movies- especially if you are a well-preserved 41 year old. A much older guy will not see as much "after hours" action just because it is much more difficult to justify being seen with such an old fart without it looking like she is a working girl.

In my case, I'm a young-looking 37 year old who still has a taste for pop music and modern culture. I have dated escorts as young as 19 and nothing was ever thought about it. There have been a couple of times where I've actually picked a chica up at her house for a date and met with her family or friends. Nothing out of the ordinary. However, as I said, if I were a 55 year old picking up the chica at her house, I would look like a john and she would look like a sexoservidora. In that case, age does indeed matter.

Now, once you find a chica that you fancy, and given that she likes you and/or she is single, you can ask her out for a social outing. If you want to pay that's fine, but I have been invited out to eat or to go dancing after sessions quite a few times, all free of charge. If you feel that you have special chemistry with a particular chica, invite her out to one of the exclusive dance clubs or to a high-profile concert or to any other place that might be hard for her to reject. A simple invitation to the hotel or neighborhood bar may allow you to get to know her better. You may have to pay the first time, but if there is any chemistry between you whatsoever, be sure that the next time will be free- especially for a generous, decent looking and charismatic gringo.

However, be aware that you might have to go through a few chicas before you find that perfect "date worthy" escort. But when you do, you now have your foot in the front door and a very good networking opportunity to know other quality chicas without having to do all the grunt work (after all, you will now be deemed a good guy within your chica's personal circle of hot escorts.) Many times a special escort will even give you the low down on all of her friends and offer them to you along with perfect physical descriptions and psychological profiles. But you will have to do your work before you can get into their inner circle and you need to prove that you are a good, honorable and generous guy who won't embarrass them in a social outing.

For the classiest chicas in Morelia, I recommend Elegance or New Imagen. I have found that most of their chicas have good social graces and don't have a hooker look to them. You would never believe that some of them are sex workers. The numbers to both agencies are in the Morelia yellow pages under "Masajes" or just do a search of this thread for previous posts of mine where I gave out their numbers. Both agencies are owned by the same person, but operate under different phone systems.

Have fun,

Mill


Wanted to inquire a little more about the "class" structure. I totally get you when you once wrote that some women aren't appropriate for "societal outings". It would be nice to go out and do something prior or after the "event". I guess I'm old school in that regard. I'll be studying up on my spanish in some structured classes for the first few weeks I'm down there then, of course, it's about keeping it fresh and I love talking to the chica's! A couple on either arm would be a sweet deal, but I'll start with one. Oh, and how are they with the age thing? Most likely it would bother me more than them--at least that's what they might say, but is it true? I mean the fact is Latin women are at their best in the twenties and only a handful seem to age well--regardless of class. I understand the "hard" life predetermines alot but even with those who have a privileged life the vintage look seems gloomy. So twenty-something it is. So what are some ideas for "going out" with an escort to do?

I'll be in touch later.

Eze

Ezerider
11-06-07, 03:25
Dude, man Mill, you're a walking talking book of info. About the mongering scene aren't you? ! Cool to know you, maybe in Morelia we could hook up. In the meantime I'll be studying in Patzcuaro for a few weeks, but with some trips to Morelia no doubt.

I have no worries that I won't be perceived as a preserved 41 year old--well, maybe some, but I do hit the gym and pool regularly. Speaking of which, are those good spots to score?

Got to keep this one brief. I'll inquire more later.

Eze

Ezerider
11-08-07, 00:20
Change of plans I'm headed further south. Thanks for all the input. Continued success.

Eze

Mill Just
11-08-07, 11:48
Good Luck. I hate to rain on anybody's parade, but if you're talking about Southern Mexico, the further South you go, the more horrible the mongering scene. Be ready to pay through the nose for sub-par chicas. You may even want to ditch the idea of mongering in Southern Mexico and try to work the non-pro angle. That's how bad things may get...

Have Fun,

Mill


Change of plans I'm headed further south. Thanks for all the input. Continued success.

Eze

TeddyBoy
11-26-07, 00:00
I have attempted to write you several times but your mail box is full amigo.

I will be arriving in Morelia December 30 and leaving the end of February. I've got an apartment lined up and would like to buy you dinner for all the great posts you have contributed here.

Ardy1473
12-09-07, 23:35
Is Bar La Playa still around?? If it is, is it still bien chingon? I'll be in Morelia in early February and hope to visit there. That juke box was kick ass!

Dollar Bill
12-13-07, 23:23
Hi all,

I am an occasional contributor/reader to this thread as I only catch up/post on it when I travel there from Qro.

It is on my radar to travel to Morelia soon and I hope, meet up with Mill Just. I have been reading his info on this thread for sometime now and always loved reading what he had to say.

Anyway... I have been in contact with Mill Just (off this board) and he wanted to me to pass along this message to you all... THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT HAVE READ HIS REPORTS AND BECAME VIRTUAL FRIENDS WITH HIM ON THIS BOARD.

It is sad that he is not on the ISG board any longer but if you would like to be in contact with him, send ME a PM and I will pass it along to him and also provide to you a way to contact him. He has authorized me doing this for him.

I have asked him for help for my next trip there and I will give you all an update once I return from my trip. Some of the information will be held in confidence but I will share whatever info I can.

Take care all and enjoy the life!

$Bill

PS - His wish is to still help out those that desire his help.

Tiny 12
01-02-08, 23:13
I guess this thread is going to dry up and go away without Mill Just. I never noticed anything antagonistic in his posts. So I'm not sure why his posting privileges were limited and why he left.

Any thoughts from anyone on how we could get him back?

TeddyBoy
01-03-08, 00:13
Any thoughts from anyone on how we could get him back?
I know Jackson. I have stayed in his Beunos Aries/ Recoleta apartment. I enjoyed having dinner with him on several occassions, meeting a few of his many friends and visiting his private Mansion. I have always regarded Jackson with respect and appreciation for the time and information he personally shared with me during my stay. This is beyond the obvious fact that he runs a truly outstanding world class website that is a terrific value. I continue to benefit greatly from the information on his forum.

I also know Mill Just. In fact, I am currently in Morelia and he has shown himself to be a thoughtful and generous man with his time and assistance.
His ISG posts have been a wonderful resource for preparation for my trip and he has shared additional information since I have been hanging out with him.

Frankly........I can't make sense of this issue. As I listened to Mill Just, he seems unclear as to the root of this issue. In fairness, I have not spoken to Jackson regarding this problem. So I don't know his side of the story.

What I do know is that these are two good men who, in my opinion, have the very best interests of the members of ISG at heart. I do wish that there could be an amiable resolution.

Dollar Bill
01-03-08, 00:24
Happy New Years to all!!!

Well, I had an invitation to visit a ranch in Zitacuaro for New Year's weekend so I was in Michoacan. Since I had Friday, Monday, and Tuesday off work, I decided to stop by Morelia on Friday day/night, Saturday day mongering experience.

I re-read some of Mill Just's reports and decided to stop by Massage Sharron. I had a couple of names that he had mentioned. (Monse y Vanessa). I also had the address (with Colonia) and phone number in case I got lost. I found it with some help from a guy on the street.

I entered and Melissa showed me back to the rooms. I asked her about having a session with that cute girl in front. She was a little displeased because I did not choose her, but I guess she got used to it.

The cute girl was named Vanessa and was very cute and sweet. I got a message and a little oral from her. She said that it was a bad time of the month for her but if I wanted full service, a very cute girl was coming in (name held in privacy). I said no problem as I only wanted oral from Vanessa anyway (butt looked too big for my liking but her face was really cute and she was soooooo sweet).

Vanessa finished me off, and cleaned me up. About 10 minutes later (while still waiting in the room), the other girl showed up and was just the way I liked them. I thought she had the ass to die for. We got along great and did the full service session and I left finding my love (lust) for the weekend.

I went back to the hotel (Hotel Alameda (down near the big church)). Got cleaned up and went back down to where I had seen the street walkers hanging out. That was about 6:30 PM and they only wanted 270 pesos. I did not see anything that looked better than my 2nd girl so I went back to the Message Sharron place and choose her again. Had another Full Service with her. Finished up and got her phone number to get a Saturday AM service in my hotel. When I called, there was no answer (She had a party to go on Friday night so I figured she was still sleeping).

I called an escort service called "Nuevo Imagen" (phone number 156-4697) and asked for an "Ejecutivo" (or Model). I asked if the girl would stop at the reception or come straight up to the room? She said straight up to the room. She said the girl would be there in 1/2 hour. She showed up after 1 hour and did NOT make it to the room. The receptionist called me and wanted to charge me a guest fee for the girl. I went downstairs, saw the girl and gave her $100 Pesos for the taxi. I blamed it on the extra room charge, but it was really that the girl was not even a step below the Ejecutivo level. She was 2 steps below. I called the service and complained that the level of beauty was really low. She said that the other girls did not answer and that is why she had to send the other girl. I told her I was not pleased as I had to wait for so long for nothing.

As I had taking a Viagra before the ugly girl showed up, I did not want to waste it. I checked out and headed back to Massage Sharron. Monse answered the door. Normally, this girl is NOT my type of girl (bigger frame not fat but just bigger than I like), but I figured since she had been mentioned by name, I would give her a try. I told her that I was only interested in oral. She said that her price was a little higher ($550) for that and that condom was necessary. I was not turned on by Monse and even the Viagra did help me too much. When time was about up, I told her that was enough and I got cleaned up.

I still had Viagra in my blood and I wanted to use it before I went to Zitacuaro (where I knew I would not get laid) (ALMOST ALWAYS UGLY P4P GIRLS THERE).

I found my way to Hotel Caribe (on the Periferico on the north side near the strip joints). I had called another service (Diosas Prohibidas - 165-6534) on my cell phone before getting there and asked about a model type of girl. I was NOT disappointed again as the girl that showed up was a 9 1/2 in my book. Pretty face, beautiful body, and very sweet. Cost was 1000 pesos + 100 taxi.

We had a great session and was working on session number 2 when the hour was up. I had to get going to Zitacuaro so I did not opt for the second hour. 2 hour session was $1500.

$Bill

Mexican Perro
01-09-08, 05:46
I love to read all these posts. It is very interesting for a Mexican Macho like me to read American opinion of the mongering scene in Morelia. Honestly sometimes gringos have more information than us! I expect to read the forum again.

Happy New Year and be safe!

TeddyBoy
01-09-08, 20:21
Hola Mexican Perro,

I am in Morelia for the rest of January and have an apartment in Centro Historica. I would enjoy meeting you and drinking a cervasa or two. PM me.

Rickster

Maxiimus
03-07-08, 19:26
I am planning a trip to Morelia and I would like to know of any good Hotels?

Thanks,

Max

The Studd
03-10-08, 09:59
I went to Morelia for busines and for fun and I could not believe what I found! This place is a hidden gem with GFE to be had much more than in Monterrey where I live.

I have to admit that 1 year ago I wouldn't have even heard of the city if not for International sex guide and Mill Just. Now I'm wondering what took me so long to come here!

I followed the diretions of Mill Just for Sharon's Massage and went there only to find 4 very attractive girls. I chose a slim, dark-haired beauty whose name escapes me. What proceeded was ten times better than any sex I have ever had, pro or not.

She gave me an excellent massage and then the main event. She was down for anything! I wanted oral without condom-No problemo. I wanted to Cum on her body- No problemo. Every position possible and every act possible was on the list and, unlike Monterrey, there was no upselling whatsoever and everything was delivered with genuine feeling. It was like a day in a real-life porno movie. DFK. Fingering. Anything and everything.

Full sex was 800 pesos total including massage.

BJ was 500 pesos with or without condom inlcuding massage.

Handjob was 300 pesos including massage.

I went to Sharon's all 4 days I was in Morelia and had each girl, except one chubby one. I was pleasantly suprised by all of them and they all acted like real, non-hooker girls. I can't believe how much better they all were compared to the girls I've been with in Monterrey. Not that the Regias are bad, but these Morelia girls are10 times better in bed and 10 times nicer than they are. The Morelia sexoservidoras seem just like regular girls next door!

No time limits, no knocks on the door, no upselling, no drinks to buy, no scams! I am in heaven!

I've already booked a return flight for next month. That's how impressed I am with the GFE there. Having sex with these girls islike having sex with your nympho girlfriend and her 3 friends!

Thanks ISG and thanks Mill Just for sharing your city with us!

Maxiimus, I stayed at Holiday Inn Express with co-workers and place was nice.

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