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You are right Cachorro!
If a girl can convince a desperate European or American guy that she is a "girlfriend" who needs money to stay away from her job, then she is all set!
Just ask Papai Noel for the presentinhos and she will get more money than most people in Brazil working full-time!
Then she can fuck Brazilian guys she likes, go to Help with her friends to make even more money, and suck her man dry by being his "girlfriend" whenever he is in town!
I have also been in Rio de Janeiro recently and saw many many Americans in Meia Pataca, and for some reason they were all wearing NBA jerseys and playing rap music with a big radio! What is going on?
Are Americans so insecure that they must take with them such things to other countries? Do they think that this is IMPRESSIVE to the prostitutes? I could not believe, and it was almost too funny to see so many American men thinking they are SOO COOL, playing their music, sitting with prostitutes and just staring at them because they do not speak portuguese!
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Hey guys. No sense posting on and on and on about this topic. The truth of the matter is that time will tell if what you think is real is. Time is the great equalizer. Everyone is making valid points. Cutting Edge is correct when he points out that if a girl is serious she will take you to where she lives. She will let you see her life. She will take you to her parent's house. She'll introduce you to her family.
Leo is correct when he says there are exceptions to every assumption. Although a lot of guys would like to think they are the authority and "expert" on Rio. None of us are. We are all still learning. Anyone that thinks they are a Rio expert is deluded.
A relationship with any girl takes time like Johan posted. Just because you see a girl every trip to Rio doesn't make that a serious girlfriend. I'm sure that everyone has their own story but each situation is different. Saying all girls in Help are jaded pro's is like saying all guys that go to Help are losers that can't get laid without paying for it. (Yes, many are but probably not all of you out there).
Good luck all.
Saint
Guys,
Girls that likes you don't stay with you because of money. But sometimes because of what they do and who they are, they do ask for money. Just learn to say NO. If they still stay with you then you know.
Girls that like you will stay with you without asking for much. But what I look for is good sex so she must be wet, and that is usually a good start; personality, hygiene, and compatibility comes next.
I usually give them small gifts that you would normally give normal girlfriends and treat them nice, but that's all. When they ask for money, I tell them "Sorry, but that would make me feel like another customer and ...".
Each girl is different with a different situation. Go with the flow and have fun. There is always another one around the corner.
W.
Saint,
Amen brother. This is why you are the Saint. Now. one and all listen to the Saint....Saint speaks the truth and in the truth we shall find light and salvation. Yes, brothers we are gathered here at the church of "Whats Happening Now." I will not pontificate further on the subjects of love, marriage and other relationships in mongering territories. Enough has been said. However, the old expression, "Let the buyer beware" does seem most appropriate. And, what was the expression P.T. Barnum had??
I am headed back to Rio November 12th and staying until December 3. Also, going to Rio again in Jan....14 Jan to 4 Feb. Guess I have fallen in love. Alas, there are so many lovely ladies I can't let just one of them monopolize my days and nights. I learned the hard way...married three times. All three wives had the same name....plaintiff. Now I find out you can just rent them....mercy what a wonderful world it is.
Grshel1
Grshel1
Ha ha. you are so funny. you are some successful dude. after three ex-wives (plaintiffs) you still have the $$$ to pursue a hobby in RJ? i thought most men will be living below proverty line by now.
Cutting Edge
10-07-03, 23:51
Hi guys, seems we have a hot topic here. From reading down the last posts, it seems that the more experienced Riophiles have realised that trying to find a GF/wife? in Copacabana, in particular Help is about as productive as banging your head on a wall.
A few points were raised namely;
- semi-quote ""if girls want a good night out they go to Help""
- Why would an attractive looking 18yo looking for a good night out not go down to Lapa, Leblon etc, but instead go to Help full of fat and grey 60yo's trying to dance to techno music. When I get to that age(if I live that long) I'll take things slow and keep my dignity, not blob about the dance floor making a fool of myself.
As mentioned previously, any normal girl in Rio would not be seen dead in Help, even some of the GDP's (Garota de programmas) feel the same way and run from the taxi just infront directly in without stopping to avoid being spotted. The figure of only 400 out of 500 were HC was also banded about. In reality that figure is close to 499. The only occasions I've found "normal type" chicks in there is when out of towners from other states accidently stumble in without realising what the place is.
Some other observations;
- a friend of mine told me that the sooner you start paying the less you pay. This is illustrated when you hang out at Rio Sul for a while and see those long time GDP's dragging some hapless gringo around with a stack of bursting shopping bags. So the guy got free sex for three days, but then the girl has nothing to wear tonight!! Only one solution!! buy buy buy!!!
- be also aware, many of the shops in Rio Sul allow the girls to return the clothes and get their(your) money back with a slight commission on the sales agents part. I'm aware of this due to a GF of a friend not being aware that I understood her conversion with the assistant.
- these shopping trips are to be avoided at all costs, as the costs will be high. On one occasion we went into a shop, the guys GF appeared with four expensive garments(I thought she was going to try them on), however she threw them onto the counter and the assistant started to add things up ready for my friends CC. :-(
- a lot of the girls live in towns outside of Rio(Bangu, Campo Grande etc), and commute daily. Many have the problem of waiting for a bus and don't want to be hanging about in the streets for hours after Help is closed. This may account for some guys getting free stuff(the girl wanted a bed for the night??
- Other girls sleep is what are termed 'vagas', literal translation is 'space'. Basically its an apartment rammed with beds/bunk beds and the girls each get a locker for their clothes. They are charged in the region of 30R$ per day. Some have to share beds, pretty uncomfortable conditions. Again, a lot of girls would rather sleep in a nice hotel room with just one other person there. You must have all noticed how some girls will stay in your bed until 4pm!! Another reason to explain freebies/cheap deals.
- Americans vs Europeans....a Brasilian can visit any country in the EEC(I think France may vary in this respect) for two visits of 90days each in 1 year with no visa. With a European, the chick only needs to convince the guy to buy her a plane ticket, whereas with an American guy, its a long winded task of getting visa's and possibly interviews. These girls want to get to Europe to work in the massage palours etc there. Many of these girls do stints in Spain and Italy, where they can earn a lot more there. Getting a guy to fly them there is a big help(no pun intended).
- If you tell a girl you are looking to take a girl back to Europe etc, or have done previously, then you will make yourself a bigger target for the piranhas. I don't see the point in making a prostitute/ex prostitute your GF or dare I say it, your wife. As pointed out by Johan, once a ho, always a ho, its amazing how many return to visit their families and end up in Help that very night.
- Cachorro mentioned 'Papai Noels', thats Father Christmas to you and me. Now we know what a guy means when he says "he's just pulled a cracker".
CE
Antoninho, I don't understand your motivation behind being rude. If my input offends your sense of wisdom, then feel free to expound -- but try to do so with a little more tact.
As it is, this Rio board so often degenerates into pathetic, reprisal-oriented commentary that I tend to avoid it (keeping my general comments to the more focussed Sao Paulo section). Oh well. No big deal -- I'm probably pissing in the wind, here; I guess it can't be helped that this Rio section catches the westerly breeze that blows so warm off of Copacabana and Ipanema.
Mixing my metaphors,
JWadd
I came to the Rio board looking for some info for my FIRST trip, but all I see is page after page after page of useless bickering.
This is the "reports" section isn't it or is it the general B.S. section.
I couldn't tell:)
While you guys decide on 'who's got a bigger dick', how about some "reports".
Just my $.02
Dead right Badass,
I'm just back from a 2 week trip to Rio and my intention was to make a contribution.
However judging from posts over the past few months, my report would no doubt be disputed, bickered about and analysed to death.
Think I'll stick to other countries in WSG. I'll re-visit here in a couple of months to see if things have improved and may make a posting then.
Cutting Edge
10-08-03, 20:18
Dogass and Badgus, I don't see what your posts refer to. Over the last week we've had a big discussion relating to the the psychology and motivation of the girls of Copacabana. Of course there will be differing view points, thats why its called a discussion forum. If you want to learn about Rio, I think you need to pay attention, currently there are around 10 Rio old hands posting here.
Badass, I did a search and noticed that you visit Thailand a lot. You need to know that things in Brasil are much different, rather than selecting a girl from a gold fish bowl as in BKK, the girls sort of select you in Rio. Its more of an illusion of a GF/BF relationship that a strict business transaction. Thats why the debate over the last few days has gone as it has, as its too easy to become emotionally involved with these girls. Partly for this reason, guys are reluctant to name girls, give tel nos etc(hey its their GF you are talking about!!)
Doggus, please post your report, just hope you didn't pay for any heart operations while you were down there!!
CE
ps who was comparing penis size???
I refuse to prolong the misery by getting into tit for tat replies with anyone.
I'll post again when I have a specific question for my first trip.
Adios.
Guys:
In less than 30 hrs. I am scheduled to fly to RIO. Please don't make me depress with all these recent non-sense. I have followed many of your posts in other forums. Most of you enriched this site with meaningful contributions in the past. All of a sudden, you guys are facing collective brain paralysis. When somebody in love, don't try to reason with him. Everybody has the right to learn from their own adventures. As long as there was no deliberate mis-information presented, leave the subject alone.
Now let me try to change the tone a little bit. Although I will be in Rio, my heart will remain in New York with my beloved Yankees. Is there any place near Rio Roiss hotel, I could watch live telecast of ALCS? Nationally FOX network is carrying the telecast. Saturday, Clemens vs Pedro......now that is something to look forward to.
Bandy
Sorry SAINT and GRSHER1, not near enough said here.
JWADD, you're not pissing in the wind. Sorry if I offended you, would have liked a little bit more input thats all, your views not jut an endorsement of cutting edges .
CUTTING EDGE- you talked about that these girls made a conscious decision to work in help and you refer to girls who work in pao de quiejo. maybe`` looks`` have something to do with their decision . when was the last time you saw a 10 working in poa de quiejo or the likes . anyways as you should know if you are a frequent visitor to help many girls that work in normal jobs do go to help the odd time to supplement their income . on my last visit there a pal of mine met 2 real nice girls that worked in a laundry full time and they came to help once a month or so to supplement their meagre income .
You say that it would be easier for these pretty girls to develop a relationship with a local rich guy who obviously speaks the lingo. sure the lingo part is correct but that was not a problem for me because i spoke pretty good portuguese to my girl when i met her but now she speaks near perfect english (it is astounding how intelligent some of these girls are - they can learn English so quickly).
About the brazilian rich guys . there is a large divide between rich and poor in brazil . even between middle class and poor there is a large divide . an earlier poster said that brazilian guys would not have a relationship with a working girl and i think that this would certainly be true of a poor working girl . but apart for the willingness of rich brazilian guys to get involved with these girls there is also a problem for many of these girls to get involved with these guys . the girls i have met have a distaste for brazilian men in general . let me explain why . all 3 girls i got to know real well come from broken marriages . in 2 cases the father left the home when the going got tough and ended up with a younger girl . in the third case the father was very abusive to his daughter and it came to a head one day and she and the mother left. Two of these girls also had problems with their first boyfriend. in each case their boyfriends had sex with one of their friends , these boyfriends were their first love and this was a real betrayl . also many brazilain guys have a reputation for being over "machista " with their girl . it is very common in brazil for the boyfriend to go out with his friends and have a good time going to bars and stuff. but this is not acceptable for the girlfriend to do. When they get married this is totally unacceptable. The wife must stay at home.
Bandy:
I'm pretty sure Shennagin's (Ipanema, Rua Visconde de Piraja) will carry it.
Tom B.
RIO NUT- the girl you boast about taking to matto grosso for free who said that she was happy to get away from having to sleep ``with many old guys in a week `` must have been none to pretty then eh? from my experience in help a pretty girl would not need to sleep with some ``old guy`` plenty of young pretty guys around to pay the dollars . if she was pretty then she was going with the old guys solely for the higher price and then i must deduce that money is very important to her so why should she go with you for free?
you say that these girls would replace a guy with a richer client if the opportunity arose . well this is the exact opposite of what my girl did in regard to me . before i met her her former``client``was very wealthy indeed . he travels to rio a number of times a year . i only met my girl because this guy headed back to europe . he wanted my girl to go with him . said he would buy an apartment for her . this guy used to phone her on her cellphone when i was with her pleading with her to accept his offer . this guy even called me a shit guy because i was not wealthy and that i was no good for her - bastard never even met me . i could go on to describe this guy in great detail and some of you rio regulars would know him but that would be a bad idea .
even my girlfriend told me about this guy is true because i corroborated it with contacts in rio .
JackDaniels
10-08-03, 23:03
I have been reading this stuff about Help and the kind of girl who goes there.
I have been there a few times and this is what I have observed. Yes, there are the "hardcore" regulars who go there. It is a job for them and so be it. It is also a fact that there are the infrequent suppliers who go there - once a month, weekends only, when they feel like it, whenever..... . Supplementing their regular income from their jobs from the laundry, supermarket, office etc is a reality in Help. If you are lucky, and I have been, you could get one of these infrequent suppliers and have a truly wonderful GFE.
Let's not generalise, the "market" changes daily and especially at weekends.
So take your chances and have fun.
Cheers.
sorry guys having some serious problems with my computer - got soe kind of worm , having to post as fast as i can,hence the errors in some of my posts.
JOHAN-i agree with you fully on the serious upper class brazilian girls. real pain in the ass with a real attitude problem regarding any gringo visiting rio short term- best to be avoided.
what you said about ``once a pro always a pro``borrowed from your friends in the hotel business but endorsed by yourself . do you mean then that these girls are in this business for life?
at what stage to your knowledge do they become a pro?
is a girl that works in the likes of help once a week a pro in your view? i`ll be really interested to hear your replies?
Bandy
Check the bar upstairs in the lobby of the Marriot Hotel in Copa, Ave Atlantica. I was able to see Monday Night Football there last year, plus the staff speaks english. If they don't have your game ask the concierge to call Shenanagens before you go over to Ipanema. They have sports on the TV there but it varies as to what you can see. Also, T.G.I.Fridays at the big mall down in Baja has ESPN so maybe they could hook you up(last resort?). Oh, I almost forgot, the Outback Steakhouse near Rio Sul Mall had American sports broadcasts at one time but not sure if they still do or if they are still in operation.....I like to gamble on sports and had a helluva time last year during college football bowl season !!! Good Luck.
BTW, I will be in Rio 10/14 to 10/19 so if you want hangout drop me a line. I visit Rio often and would be happy to buy you a beer and share info. I don't carry a cell so if you want to hook up let me know and we will make plans to meet.....same goes for anyone else that will be in Rio next week....
Off topic question (sorry!)...does anyone have info on how to arrange a CHEAP flight fro Rio to Santiago, Chile ??? Trying to book from the U.S. and not finding very good fares (650 US). Anyone know a reliable travel agent in Rio. I know Bobby at Blame it on Rio but.........
Lastly, lets get back to posting good, reliable info about mongering....if you believe you have found love with a Brazilian Pro/Non-pro more power to ya and lets leave it at that. If, on the other hand, you think guys are getting suckered just be happy it isn't you....
Life is Good....but oh so short...peace.
RxHammer and Tomb,
Thanks for the info. I will be at Rio Roiss during that time. Ask for me (same handle) at the front desk. Will love to meet a fellow monger and exchange notes.
Antoninho,
You obviously found somebody who you really care for. This is strictly a private matter between you and the lady. You really don't need validation from this board. Please give this subject a rest.
Bandy
RxHammer,
During my recent stay in Rio I use a local agency to purchase a domestic ticket. The showed and quoted me the screen price from Varigs website.
From Rio Roiss you walk past Blame It On Rio up to the first major road. Cross at the pedestrian crossing and then walk about 100ft to your left. It is a combined travel agency and exchange bureau.
They were very helpful and came across very honest. I paid with credit card and they did not abuse it.
Thunderthrust
10-11-03, 10:21
Hey guys,
Just got back a couple of weeks ago from my second trip to rio, my first one having been in February this year. I m really annoyed that I didnt discover the place until I was 30. Oh well, better late than never.
Went to Help most nights and thought it was pretty good on the whole. Plenty great looking women and I found that most nights I would come accross women who I hadnt seen or noticed before. Was generally paying between 100 and 200 reals for an all nighter although on the first night I was there, the chick who I ended up with didnt ask for any cash. She wasnt one of the best looking chicks there right enough but if I d seen her in a bar at home then I d have definitely considered her worth a crack at. One of my all nighters wouldnt put out in the morning which I thought was pretty poor. I would rather she had shipped her tits out after I d shagged her the night before. I m pleased to say that she was the exception and had some great morning sex with the others. Got on well with most of the girls that I met. I really liked this chick from Sao Paolo who I met 3 days before I was due to leave and she seemed to be suggesting that it was more pleasure than work for her. She was really quite stunning, with gorgeoous full lips, cracking legs and a vagina like a mouses ear. Spent two nights with her. On the second night I just arranged for her to come to my hotel and we just stayed in and had sober porn sex which was really quite good. On my last night in Rio I decided to put her to the test and see if she really did like me. I met her in Help and told her that with it being my last night I had no cash left. She said she didnt believe me and we just parted company on good terms and exchanged e mail addresses. When I got home she e mailed me to say that she had left with a client and had then come back to Help to find me and spend the night (free of charge) but I was already with another girl. Not sure whether to be flattered by that or not. Probably not. I reckon this was typical of the vast majority Help girls. Even if they did genuinely like a guy, money always always would come first. I think it is just a bonus for them if their client is not an ageing sweat hog. Would also say that this is a generalisation and no doubt ther are exceptions to this. Had a fantasic time in any event. On a night out at home I often spend more than I was spending in Help and still go home on my own and even if you do pull theres absolutely no guarantee that your skin boat will be sailing to tuna town.
Also checked out 4 termas while I was there. Quatro, L'uomo, Solarium and aeroporto. I liked Aeroporto least just because of the atmosphere and there were less good looking women than in the others. In fact there were a few real monsters. One or two good looking ones aswell so not all bad. Before I went to rio I was determined that I was going to have a threesome but I never quite got round to it. I suppose at the time I felt that I was going to have my hands full with just one of those termas chicks. Really kicking myself now and a 3some is top of my agenda next time round which will have to be soon as I m getting withdrawals already! In L'uomo hooked up with a blonde girl called Letitia. She was really quite good fun and I got ,what up to that point in my life, the best blow job I d ever had and at the end of the session she got me to come in her face which was ace. However, in Solarium Letitias BJ wa surpassed in some style by some other blonde(dont remember her name).
Anyway, I m sure you get the picture guys. I had a ball.
Happy shagging.
I visited Rio with three friends a few weeks back for the weekend. One friend had lived in Brazil for a few years and spoke fluent Portugese but it was the first trip for the rest of us.
The first night we went to Help. We started the evening around 10pm at the cafe just outside Help surveying the talent which was quite a bit of fun in its own right. Caught the attention of a couple of attractive (8+) ladies and they came over for a chat. Laura was a beautiful mulatto with an exotic look. Her friend Stephanie was a tall, slim, brunette with an extremely body. We had fun talking for a bit (Laura's English was excellent but Stephanie didn't speak any English). Laura got a call and excused herself saying that she would be back within the hour and that I should wait for her in Help so the rest of us went to Help at that point.
All trash talking about Help that's been going on is completely inconsistent with what I experienced when I walked inside. The sheer energy of the place was overpowering and everyone seemed to be having a great time dancing and drinking. It would be easy to mistake it for a normal disco with the only giveaway being the number of good looking, unattached women (they tend to move in packs at a normal club). I had an excellent time just crusing the place and, after giving Laura an hour or so, asked a cute (7), slim, dark haired, young lady to dance. That's the other Help giveaway as in a normal club, a girl 25 years younger than me would have looked at me as if I crawled out from under a rock if I asked her to dance. Instead, Laura (a quite popular name), joined me on the dance floor, and a short time later, we headed back to the hotel for a 300R$ TLN.
Her performance was excellent. Very much a GFE except for a CBJ (which I kind of expected given the reports I'd read). She was playful, full of energy, and seemed to genuinely enjoy herself. She had a nice body with firm tits, responsive nipples, and great muscle tone. If she's an example of a hardened pro, than I've been really wrong to think that expression meant something bad. All in all, an excellent start for my visit. She left me a phone number and e-mail address.
Stephanie also turned in a rocking performance for one friend. She became his benchmark for the rest of the trip and he still speaks of her with awe in his voice. 300$R but she only stayed until about 4am and CBJ.
The other two girls my friends pulled out were not at the same level. They did the "sick baby" routine and left after a couple of hours but were only $150R$ and BBBJ so it wasn't like it was a terrible experience.
Day 2.
By the way, we are examples of the old, rich gringos that are spoiling the market. Sorry, but in all honesty, if the girls want to be with us instead of cheap, young guys, that works for me just fine.
Spent most of the day hanging at the beach and visiting Sugar Loaf. Laura (the one that had disappeared the previous night) had left me a phone number but it didn't work as it was from her home and was out of area in Rio. Fortunately (and a bit surprisingly), she called me at the hotel and left a message with a number that did work. We arranged to meet in the hotel bar at 10pm. My three friends headed out to check out other places with the one that had lived in Rio leading the way while I waited for Laura to arrive.
Their evening was pretty much a disaster with 2 of the 3 failing to find anyone. They went to a "regular" club and, while the worked fine for the Portugese speaker, my other two friends were completely frozen out. They were so bummed out that they went back to the hotel at about 2am. The next day they agreed that was a major mistake and that they should have just gone to Help at that point.
On the other hand, my evening was terrific. Laura is a lot of fun to talk with and her performance in bed was excellent. When you spend time with someone like her, you begin to understand why guys do what appears to be really stupid things some times. I was disappointed by another CBJ but other than that it was as good as it gets. Really a sweet girl. 300R$ and TLN. If I had been staying longer, I would definitely have seen her again and again.
Day 3.
I really thought that I should see more of Rio than just Help and my hotel, so I did the logical think and went to a therma (Solarium) in the afternoon. The facilities were not a match for a good German FKK but were acceptable. The girls were all quite nice and I ended with a pair of blonde hardbodies that claimed to be sisters. Anything more than a 40 minute session would have killed me. DFK, BBBJ, and DATY were all enjoyed by all. The girls were not interactive (maybe they really were sisters) so I was kept pretty busy. A great time for a bit over 300$R.
I was tempted to call Laura again but since it was my last night in Rio, I decided to go to Help instead. The Sunday night crowd was only 1/2 the size of Friday night but there were still plenty of acceptable ladies. I ended up with Pamela. A tall, dark, slender dancing machine, she was with her friend Flavia who was shorter, a bit cuter, and had close to a perfect body. We spent a fair amount of time dancing before heading back to the hotel for the usual 300$R TLN. She was the wildest of all the girls I'd seen in Rio and delivered an outstanding BBBJ. If I had been staying longer, I would have been stressed out having to choose between spending time with her or Laura.
My friend had a terrific time with Flavia and he rated her as the best of the trip for him (although Laura in BA made it close). This was a different friend than the one that had gone with Stephanie on Friday night so they each had one terrific experience. I, however, felt like the king with four great experiences in three days with five beautiful women. I didn't think any place could ever be as good as Rio (but that was before I visited Buenos Aires).
As far as I am concerned, Help is the best damn club on the entire planet as six of the seven ladies we pulled in three days were outstanding and the seventh was still pretty good. My friend that spoke Portugese had the worst experience and that was just that she left earlier than he wanted. He had no complaints about either performance or price. Maybe speaking Portugese is actually a bad thing when it comes to Help!
RxHammer,
Thank you very much for the Marriot tip. Watched the Yankee game at the sports bar. Yankees own, what else I could ask for more! Just waiting for the round two: Pedro vs Zimmer. By the way, later on realized, I could have watched the game at my hotel room. ESPN was carrying it live.
After two days, my friend I came to the dreadful conclusion that we are having more fun here than Buenos Aires, which I never thought was possible. Although BsAs is very dear to my heart, I definitely like to visit here again, and again and again.
Terma's price are already posted by many. I am paying R$200 for TLN from Help. Most of them stay upto 2 PM. Last night's girl already commented that there are more things to see here than just going to Help. So she promised to take us to more conventional places. Let us see what future holds.
Will write a detailed report, after getting back to US.
Bandy
Hello,
I am looking for a list of useful Portuguese phrases. It seems that the Pimsleur CD's do not cover phrases such as:
-I would like a bbbj.
-Suck harder.
-Can I cum in your mouth?
-How much is anal sex?
-Please, I promise to be gentle.
-Wake up. I want to have sex again.
-You have beautiful breast.
-Please lick my ass?
-Lets take a shower together.
-Doggie style please.
-Bend over.
-Oh God, I am going to cum.
-Did you cum? ( Ha ha. Of course she did.)
I would appreciate any help on the above phrases or any other useful phrases. Maybe it would be a good idea to start a language section for each country? That is just a suggestion.
Thanks,
Hojo
how to cuss in brazillian'
http://www.brazzil.com/blamay98.htm
Junior,
Thanks for the tip on the travel agent, I'll check it out.
Bandy,
I will be in Rio Tuesday the 14th, I have an apartment on Djalma Ulrich right around the corner from Help. My first stop that night will be Monte Carlo termas at 7pm so come on and joy the the fun!!!!!! I'll be the American guy in a white robe and flip-flop's (HA!!!) OK,OK, I'm 6ft tall white guy with a shaved head and goatee....come on down and the drinks are on me. If not I will be out in front of Help around 1 or 1:30am......
If you have the chance see as much of Rio as possible. I know the women are a HUGE disstraction and if you don't have alot of time it is easy to miss out on what the city has to offer...
12 hours and counting til take-off......
RxHammer
Hi there,
I have been reading the reports for a few months and this is my first contribution.
I travel to Rio 2/3 times a year and enjoy greatly the pleasures on offer mainly in termas but also through local agencies (I speak decent portuguese).
I was in Rio 3 weeks ago and visited L'Uomo (by a mile my favourite terma) everyday. I have never left disappointed as the service is outstanding. I normally go for 2 sessions with different girls with an intermission in the hands of Jacqueline (the in house masseuse) who put my body back in shape after the combined ordeal of the 10 hour flight plus the demands of the garotas (never to be underestimated)
Although bbbjs are a norm (I have been visiting for the last 5 years) I did notice a noticeable increase in the number of girls initially trying to give cbjs (around 4 out of 10)
Of the last batch, my top choice would be Diana (sweet tall dark mulata with the most amazing backside and a terrific smile)
On the minus side of my stay would be experience this time around with the agency girls.
As I tend to arrive in Rio early on a saturday morning I like to get in the mood by taking a garota to one of the motels at Av. Niemeyer with suites with outdoor pools If the weather is good I find that there are a few things better in life than lying in the morning sunbathing whilst a horny 20 year old displays all her oral talents on you.
This time around the chosen garota was Stefany from(www.ciaplus.com.br) As you will see from the site her 19 year old body was perfect. Face trailing quite a lot behind. Her skills were fine but she was (unlike most brazilian pros) quite grumpy and dry (at least with me)
For those of you who can undertand portuguese I recommend the local site (www. hotside.com.br) which combines a list of picures of pros with a discussion group. Most locals rave about all the girls at Karla Models (only available weekdays), all under 22 and anal enthusiasts, this apparently being the most important skill for brazilian men. The usual rate is 150R for 2 hours plus taxi
On the subject of food and accomodation let me advice you against the Ipanema Inn. The guest policy is straightforward (presentation of ID in reception) location is great (right behind Caesar Park Hotel) and value very good (around 65US for a double) However, there is a very very popular bar 50 meters away which means that from 4 am those who want to carry on partying once the bar closes, do so under the hotel. Let me tell you, the cariocas party very loudly and the hotel windows fail miserably when soundproofing is concerned (I was on a 7th floor!) This is the last thing you want when you come back from a marathon at L´Uomo.
Foodwise I find that the lobster moqueca (palm oil & coconut milk stew from Bahia) at Siri Mole (2 branches, one in the center and the other in Copacabana) is unbeatable
On the much abused topic of lasting relationships with pros, I became infatuated with the brazilian version of Christy Turlington (with the sex skills of Jenna Jameson). Her "war name" was Agatha. I met her through a site where she advertised a "dupla" (threesome) with a good friend of her. I have never met a more beautiful woman (let alone pro) She also worked at Montecarlo for over a year under a different name.
Whenever I visited Rio and had a couple of spare days we travelled to nearby beach resorts such as Buzios or Paraty were the "honeymoon" (rather than GFE) experience was beyond words. Well, this godess has just married a californian stockbroking whizzkid whom she met at Montecarlo who has selfishly retired her from her trade. A sad day for all of us who enjoyed her!
RxHammer,
Just did Monte Carlo on Saturday. Probably will meet you at Help. Luomo experience was also out of the world. Went to Marcana on Sunday, for the Flemingo vs Vosco match. Bet on Flemingo for 2-0 outcome. Final score was 2-1 at the last minute. Still having a good time. Last night's experience from Help was a disaster with capital D. I don't want to detail the event. Hope this is an exception to the otherwise woderful time we are having.
Bandy
Hi Guys,
I will be in Rio in a few day time for about a week and will be checking out Luomo and Clinica Antares. If anyone fancies meeting up, please post here.
Hodges
Hello to you all,
I've been to Rio been to atleast five times and stayed around 10 days on each visit. A friend and I are pondering the idea of starting our own termal. I was wondering if any body has any information, thoughts, or ideas that they would be so kind to share, such as... costs, legal aspects, are there any termals for sale, if so how much? We both have the capital to get the business started and running, I just want to get some additional input from guys who have been there and enjoy the promise land.
Any information no matter how negative or positive will be greatly appreciated, this is a venture that I would give my all to make it a success and hopefully, better than some of the termals that are all ready out there.
Thanks,
Carlos 91
Trippleecks
10-15-03, 01:02
Firstly it's spelled TERMA. Once you've mastered that, you should learn as much Portuguese as you can so you can ask "just who gets these payoffs". Then if the right people will actually allow you to open one, bring BIG BUCKS because once the words out that foreigner with money is going to open a TERMA the prices for everything else will double or triple..
oi CARLOS i`d be careful who`s shoes you may step on with that idea of yours but if you succeed fair play to you .
anybody know a guy from boston or denver heading to rio in the next couple of weeks to visit his girlfriend? i know that is pretty vague but i have some info. that he may be interested in hearing.
something just occured to me today - you know us guys here have the power to look after one another if we chose to do so .
i`ll give you an example-
cutting edge wrote in a post recently about these working girls heading to the web cafes on copa . he talked about at any one time how many of them hang out there writing to their various ``boyfriends``. well ,when i was visiting some of these web cafes in copa on my last visit something interesting happened( twice actually) i have a yahoo address and when i went to sign in the girl just before me forgot to sign out so i automatically was in her e mail account . i could read all her stuff and write to whoever she had written to . she had written to a couple of guys in america ( aint i a nosey bastard) . what i was really looking for was she screwing any guys for money and one guy had asked her did she receive the money but on reading further i did`nt see any malice in what she was doing . this guy could have been her husband or boyfriend - i really did`nt know. but i was just thinking that if this was some girl screwing lots of guys for money or something i would have had the power to stop it right there by informing them all . has this ever happened to any of you guys ?
i just think that we should all help each other out if it is possible .
i am not telling you guys this because it has any relevance to my situation at the present time but i heard a story today that annoyed me and maybe i can do something to put things right.
Ferolga777
10-15-03, 16:42
antoninho,
Every man is free to throw his money away. If these men were going to Brasil to develop relationships with regular girls then, chances are the girls won't play them.
On the other hand, if they developed their relationships with prostitutes, then, if they send them money, they are throwing their money away. It's their choice. It's not my problem and it's not your problem. It's their psychological defiencies at play. They need counseling.
IMHO,
ferolga
FEROLGA- if you had some psychological deficiency, but did`nt know it , would you like if i made you aware that you were being two timed ( or 3 or4 ) and screwded around by your ``girlfriend``?
in my view ferolga, with regarding to the rio scene at least, sometimes there can be a very thin line between a ``normal girl``and a ``working girl `` .
Antoninho,
I have to ask. If you feel it's proper for guys to help each other out, did you go ahead and drop the line to those guys you found in her email account. You mentioned that wasn't the only time this happened to you. Have you ever taken the opportunity to expose one of these girls?
I for one would have probably sent some emails if I were in your shoes. I feel we should take care of one another as well. Stupid morons or not, nobody deserves a cheating/hustling GF.
I'm usually over in the Asian posts, but I'm rolling to Rio this coming Feb. So I'm doing my homework here.
I've spent a lot of time in Asia and I can't count the stories I've heard of girls doing the exact same thing. In fact, I've met girls with up to four different men kicking them back cash every so often. These girls didn't even have to work to get by. They live in a third-world country and pull more in income than I do just for sucking off some shmuck when ever he rolls in for holiday.
I know every guy has to learn his own lessons. And trusting a ***** should be a 'no-brainer' at best, but allowing women to take advantage of your ignorant brothers isn't cool. Let those hoes earn their share on the street.
RioNut Posted,
"I have also been in Rio de Janeiro recently and saw many many Americans in Meia Pataca, and for some reason they were all wearing NBA jerseys and playing rap music with a big radio! What is going on?"
"Are Americans so insecure that they must take with them such things to other countries? Do they think that this is IMPRESSIVE to the prostitutes? I could not believe, and it was almost too funny to see so many American men thinking they are SOO COOL, playing their music, sitting with prostitutes and just staring at them because they do not speak portuguese!"
I'm not quiet sure how to respond with this, but it's got to be in defense. I can't wait to get to Rio with my large group of American friends and BLAST my AMERICAN music while wearing my AMERICAN attire. And if we happen to offened you don't hesitate to express your opinion. I'm sure we'll take it to heart.
The morale here? Do your own thing and have your own good time. Don't slam some fellas for enjoying themselves. Who cares if they sat in silence with some *****s. Doesn't that make it sweater? I'm in heaven when I can keep a girl to keep her mouth shut.
And screw all that 'blend with the culture', 'experience new things' crap. When you're in Rio you're there for two things - have a good time and get laid. If I want to act like a Brazilian or even possessed the least bit of curiousity about them, I wouldn't be hanging around with their part of society that most Brazilians won't even socialize with.
Spin the Globe
10-17-03, 16:37
Hello All,
This report is a little over one month old-but, still relevant. So, I will add a little info from my latest (second) trip to Rio.
My first trip was for 2 weeks, over last New Year's Day. This one was shorter-9 days in the off-season. This trip was every bit as good , but in an entirely different way. Over New Year's, Help was packed--and the competition for the excellent girls was high. On this trip there was far more talent and less guys--so it was a much better scene.
My first day, I arrived after the long flight and went to Meia Pataca. I was settling in with a couple of beers--when an amazing 19yr old started giving me the eye--I invited her over -bought her a couple of drinks and started chatting in my limited Portuguese and her limited English. After a while her equally pretty friend joined-us and we decided to all head-out. They agreed to a rate of $R100- each for the session
My hotel only allows one guest at a time–so the girls suggested a love motel. I have seen this one mentioned in the forum a couple of times–VIPS. We arrived and I don’t remember the exact cost of the rooms–I believe some started for 30 Reis or so.. The girls said their favorite was this one suite with a convertible roof and pool. I paid 100-R for this room and it was amazing. The girls didn’t insist on this –we could have gone for the more plain-standard room. But they said this room was so good that I had to see it. They even offered to discount their own rates of 100-R each for the session-if I booked this room. So, who am I to argue. Well this room was amazing. A stocked bar-you pay for any drinks taken–after you leave. The place was clean-with a bedroom on the ground floor–and upstairs a bath/shower with sauna–then the topper-the second level had a pool–with a room that at the touch of a button- the roof opens and you can see the sky/stars.
I believe the rate was for 4 hours. We stayed the full time and it was an amazing experience with 2 beautiful, talented girls. We had several sessions, including bbbj and the girls alternating their mouth’s on all the key parts. Very cool start to the trip.
The rest of the trip was also very good. I went to Help nightly and to the termas during the day.
4X4 was very good–as advertised quite a few blondes there.
Also, at Help I found the talent to be better at this time of year, as compared to their summer season. . I like the smaller petite-hard body type of girls, and have a preference for blondes. Although, for the sake of variety, I do partake of the sexy morenas as well. On this trip I did meet a couple of amazing blondes. I spent a couple of days with one, breaking my no-repeat rule–she was just so sweet/beautiful and fun. The blondes all seem to come from Porto Alegre-I guess that area had a lot of German settlers. She said the city is much cleaner/safer than Rio/and SP. And that many of the girls there looked like her-fair skinned blondes–not the bottle blondes you often see in Brazil.
Anyway, maybe on my next trip I will have to check-out Porto Alegre.
All in all I would recommend going to Brazil off-season. Not as packed and a lot of these out-of-town girls go home to visit their families well before the holiday season. So, you won’t find them in Rio. Of course, you do get a whole different crew of girls that come to Rio to work just for the holidays–but these seem to be a different lot.
The beach scene was slow, and not as fun as during the summer season–but more relaxed. The weather was not as hot/humid as during their summer months, so walking the city, and dining out was much more pleasant. So it was a different experience–each was good in its own way. Rio is a great city, and I welcome the chance to go again, anytime of year.
Enjoy
Termas are almost impossible to open unless you have really, really good legal support. Don't fool yourself into thinking this has anything to do with "corruption" or greasing the right palms. The laws governing termas are simply very, very rigorous and complex. Why? Because the Brazilian government knows what goes on there and - believe it or not - we've had a long and relatively progressive history of regulating prostitution in this country. This is why Rio is more like Amsterdam than, say, Thailand.
Opening a termas isn't like opening a bar: it's not just a question of money but of legal permission. It's no coincidence that you guys have all been going to the same basic 8 termas for the past decade. If just anyone could open one in Rio, they'd be as ubiquitous as video rental stores.
Night Crawler
10-20-03, 00:33
Hi Guys
Which of the termas in Rio are the best at the moment (have the most beautiful girls) and what is the pricerange?
Can anyone recommend any outcall girls that are really good? It's important that they look good and have some nice breasts..
Furthermore I will be in Rio from the end of October to arround X-mas time so if anyone wants to meet up for some brooskies and tall tales or something of that kind please let me know. This will be my first time in Rio so I'm a bit of a newbie...
Now to another question.. I'm wondering if I dare go bareback on the BJs. Risk should be minimal but still.. Any suggestions??
Thats about it for this time.
Take Care and Stay Safe
N
Hey!
Anyone of the guys following this board in Rio right now and would like to go out looking for some girls together? Am 28 and from Sweden and first time in Rio...
Peter
NightCrawler
Take a shower right after session and take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).
As for terma selection, girls are recycling and switching termas.
In Oct, I liked Solarium, Monte Carlo best due to girls attitude. Centaurus had best selection. 4x4 and 65 were good to go too. Luomo was trailing a bit. Not sure about Aeroporto and Rio Antigo but they have been trailing lately.
I saw several girls from Centaurus at 4x4, have seen Solarium, Monte Carlo girls at Centaurus, Monte Carlo is a mess with several Solarium and Luomo girls, Solarium has several 4x4 girls.
Girls move away, come back then reappear.
The most beautiful girls? It all depends on taste.
For hard bodies go to Rio. For more cosmopolitan looks, go to Sao Paulo.
Most termas are well divided among blondes and morenas with fewer mulattas. Go to terma 502 if you like 100% mulattas.
Expect most girls to be in mid 20's in termas with a few teens and late 20's.
Night Crawler
10-21-03, 16:31
Thanx For the tips Athos.
I'm a breasts and legs man. It's important they have a nice atitude and nice looks.. Colour is not that central to me. Pity I'm not an assman I've seen some amazing looking asses on these girls.. :-)
I saw that e.g. Barra VIPs girls are supposed to get tested once a month for various STDs. (If understood the Portuguese correctly) I don't know how reliable the info is but this would surely be a good idea. I think they check the girls that work in the cathouses in Nevada once a week. I would gladly pay a little more and have peace of mind.
Do you know any Thermas have a similar system?
V
To Macunaima
Question regarding your comment '
This is why Rio is more like Amsterdam than Thailand.
I just came back from Rio and loved it more than Thailand. I was thinking of going to the Fkk clubs in 2004 and maybe Amsterdam.
Did you mean it is more acceptable and organized, controlled, regulated, monitorered, and allowed to a degree?
I never been to Amsterdam?
Do they have lots of Sex bars, sex clubs like Rio?
Lots of street walkers, and hookers who hang out at bars.
What does Amsterdam have equal to Rio Termas?
I am researching my next place sto visit?
I just returned back From Brazil I spent 9 days in Sao Paulo and 7 days in Rio.
I loved the Termas in Rio.
I went to Monte Carlo, Luomos, 4X4, Solarium, Centaurus,.
I went to Luomos 3 times. 4X4 twice the rest once.
Watched the Help Disco talent enter Help Discowith a good selection.
I stayed in apartment in Copacapana area and is within walking distance to Luomos and Monte Carlo.
If you go to 4X4 stop by Rio Sul Shopping mall to look at the Model quality retail workers.
My favorite Termas are Luomos, 4X4. Solarium, for Quality and service the Girls provided.
I got a dupla in Monte CArlo cheaper than I had one girl at Centaurus.
If your on a budget dont go to Centaurus.
I also visit Barberallas- lots of girls around 40 to 50 for take out only, with good selection of woman.
Rabo Verde
10-22-03, 01:50
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Do you know where 65 is? go one street north and you find 4x4 right?
Well go another street rua Alfandega and you can find terma 502. Except on other side of rua Branco.
502 has a very detailed menu for program, R$50 for 30 min, another price for 40 min and other for 60 min. R$10 min cover includes drinks. Maybe 50 girls or more. They have daily special, when i was there 30 min dupla for R$80.
Chupon
Do you work at Varig?
LAX to Brazil, Varig prices are only for planes flying to Japan so very few seats available.
Hi Everyone,
Trying to finalize my Rio trip and I found a week's stay deal with airfare from LAX for 1200 using a brazilspecial.net plus an additional 70 bucks per night after 5 nights. The stay is from Dec 27 through Jan 3rd.
I saw where the posted the Varig flights below for $660 EA.
My question: are the rooms going to be hard to get around New Years? Has anyone else used Brazilspecial.net if so, how good is it?
Lastly, any good means of transporation from SP to Rio if I used frequent flyer miles to get into SP then to Rio?
Thanks!
CT
Well, Watcher, prostitution is legal in Brazil: pimping and paedofilia aren't.
This means that the girls have a lot more control over their work habits, schedule, etc.
As for termas, basically most of the girls I met work several different jobs at once. One or two termas, dancing at a bar, street/bar hooking at Help or Meia Pataca.
To be allowed into a termas, a woman has to be registered and this generally means showing a negative, recent STD exam and getting on the owner's good side. The owner can't literally "hire" them as that would be pimping, but he can choose who he lets in and who he doesn't. I'm sure there are some under the table bribes, but that seems unecessary to me. The owner gets his cut on drinks, entrance fee and cabin rental.
Seeking advice from hardened vets or anyone else. Traveled in May and had a great trip. Met a great girl and spent the better part of the last 3 days with her. She has e-mailed very regularly since then, even when I have not sent one in quite a while. Wants to meet me at the airport for next trip which is next month. Not sure I want to stay exclusive, but as long as I don't sense she is trying to take advantage (any suggested trip to Rio Sul will be the end of it), I am glad to enjoy her company. I'm curious as to why she is motivated the way she is. Have been down 4 times and this is the first time it's been like this. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
I love Brasil, almost all the women are amazing! It is the country to loose your shyness and try to talk to any woman who catches your eye. My friend picked up a girl on the beach at Copa (we were waiting for her to ask for $ but she was Brazilian tourist in Rio just looking for a hot time, amazing). I was not as fortunate, but did meet a woman on the street during the day, thought I'd test my luck. Turned out she was not a full-time worker, but she knew what I wanted and asked for 100r, Brazilian women seem to be a lot more open about being approached for sex than women back home. It's worth apporaching each woman, you never know.
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Just came back from 10 days trip to Rio. All I can say is “wow!” I always looked forward to trip reports from others and learned a lot from them in the past. Now it is my turn to give something back. Although I have nothing new to add regarding the hobby scene in terms of discovering new clubs or termas, I strongly believe that every individual experience is unique and adds a new dimension in evaluating the same things from different perspective. Although, I primarily enjoy going to Buenos Aires, Rio was always in my agenda and after this trip I am totally sold on Rio. This is one fine place I definitely is looking forward to coming back.
I want to thank you all for your excellent contributions in the past. Because of abundance of invaluable information in this board, my task was really easy, once I landed in Rio. My friend and I planned this trip for a while and everything went according to our agenda. This included not only the girl actions, but also plenty of sight seeing, watching the World Championship beach Volleyball games on Copa beach, watching soccer match at the Maracana, running/walking on the beach and eating in excellent restaurants and of course watching the every Yankees game on live TV(whenever possible). We could not have planned a better trip! Except for one disaster experience with a garota de programa, I have nothing but memorable encounters from this adventure.
Girl actions were strictly limited to termas and Help. Went several times to Meia Pataca, Terr. Atlantico, Mabs etc. Nothing came close to ignite my interest.
Following are my takes on the current Rio scene. These are my exclusive views and I am totally aware that most of you may not agree with me in all counts. So let’s all agree to disagree.
One last caveat: the report is narrative and long. I will try to do it in few parts. If you are bored, just skip it. Anyway, in my view, this board is in dire need of a juicy trip report.
HOTEL:
We stayed the entire time in Rio Roiss. Cannot say enough good things about the management or the staff. They indirectly waived the 10% tax (that has been instituted recently) by reducing the room rate. I checked out at 7 PM on my day of departure and never paid any extra for the day. Driver picked us from the airport on time. Once in the hotel, Luiz, the desk clerk was cool enough to explain the various necessary staffs, including the garota actions, in details. They always kept a watchful eye on our welfare. On one occasion (will explain later) they helped us avert a potential serious situation. The rooms are very acceptable. Maid service is excellent. The breakfast is very good and goes until 11 AM (very important). Drivers are always available wherever you want to go and they charge, most of the time, less than the taxi. This is my preferred place to stay in Copa. I really felt at home.
TERMAS:
L’uomo:
This was our first night in Rio and from all the readings in this forum, we wanted our first terma experience to be at Luomo. Sure enough, we were not disappointed. Compared to other termas, this one provides a very cozy atmosphere. Many beautiful doable girls. I laid my eyes on a 20 Yr. old tall and slender Morena with short brown hair. She reminded me of a young Julliet Lewis including that characteristic husky and very sexy voice. Marcella used to work at Centaurus and left that place only a few weeks ago. We spent almost an hour cuddling on the sofa. When I asked her for a suite, she found out that waiting time is more than an hour. I could not hold it any more and opted for the deluxe suite. Marcella is a college student finishing her degree in Physical Education. She amply demonstrated that during our session in the suite. The experience was extraordinary. She really likes the “backdoor”. All other options were offered freely. My friend, JH, also had a great session. While relaxing, I already made up my mind that I have to pay a repeat visit to this establishment. I already knew Marcela took a special liking in me (which she expressed many times in the room and later in the bar). So I asked Marcella whether she would mind if I take a different girl next time. She was very cool about it and told me I can have any girl I want. So different from the Thai bar girls!
Went back to Luomo after 5 days. Marcela came and gave me a big hug and introduced to her friend Nicole. She is 22 and very pretty and attractive. White skin with dark long hair. While I was talking to Nicole, I noticed a stunning white girl with mousy blond hair sitting in the corner. I asked Marcela to bring her to me. She is Carol, 24, from Porto Alegre, only working in Luomo for 3 months and will go back to PA in November. She worked in Crystal Boite at Foz. This was a very memorable romantic encounter. She is an excellent kisser, and very feminine. This session was truly a love-making episode. All positions were offered including anal. After the session, we all got back inside the bar. Both Marcela and Carol were on my both sides and the usual touching and cuddling continued. I asked Carol whether she goes to Help. She told me that only once she and her 20 yr. old sister, also worked at Luomo, went to Help. A drug related fight broke out and somebody broke an ashtray on her sister’s face. The poor girl is still out of commission and recovering from that wound. Be careful guys while you are in Help! (On my last night, when I reached Help around 1 AM, my regular girl told me that there was a fight inside the disco just an hour ago). Since Saturday night will be my last night at Rio, I asked Marcela whether she wants to go out for dinner. She said she is only allowed to take off one day a week and she might be able to come to my hotel at 9:00 PM and then spent the night. JH and I left L'uomo at 1 AM. While we were coming out, I saw bunch of girls were also leaving L'uomo. Apparently L'uomo has two shifts, 4 PM – 1 AM and 5 PM – 2 AM. One of them was Nicole. I offered her to come with me. But she told me somebody is offering her R$300 for 1 hour. I told her to run, not just walk. I gave her a big kiss and planned to make her my next victim.
As suspected, Marcela never showed up on Saturday. I called her cell and nobody answered. So on Sunday, before leaving for the airport for my trip back to US, I decided to pay a visit to L'uomo. This is one of the few termas, which is open on Sundays. I reached around 4:15 PM. I saw Marcela and asked her why didn’t she show up the night before. She told me she could not take the day off and she is not allowed to answer phone inside the terma. I sat with Marcela and asked whether Nicole is here today. She went inside and brought back Nicole. Two gorgeous girls are sitting on my both sides and a kinky idea is beginning to grow inside me. This trip, so far, I never had a three-some. So, I asked Marcela whether she likes girls. A wide grin appeared on her face and nodded her head vigorously implying affirmation. Then I asked Nicole whether she is game with the idea. Nicole is little shy as well as tentative. But I wanted to make sure that they are really into each other. Marcela is pushing Nicole and finally Nicole gave in. I took them in a corner and asked them to kiss each other. They said they are not allowed to do this inside the bar. I didn’t care. Finally, they did and I was convinced that I was in for a good time. Still I was left with one more hurdle to cross. I asked Nicole whether she likes anal action. She jumped. She never did it. I have an “anal virgin” on my hand! The plan is becoming very intriguing! I told her I would only do the session, if she does anal. I knew Nicole likes me and I was not really going to push her. But I was playing around and wanted to see what happens. Meanwhile, my partner in crime, Marcela, pleading Nicole on my behalf. She was telling her that I am very gentle (I already had a session with her) and it won’t hurt her. (Later on Marcela told me that she did not have any session for two nights and became very horny when she saw me). All of a sudden, Nicole put her hand inside my robe and grabbed my johnson to make sure I was not too big. I just came from the shower and passed the test in flying color. Then she ordered two shots of tequilas. Anything you want honey! Soon after, we embarked on a journey, which to this day surpassed all my wild imagination. Marcella is the horny dominatrix. She jumped on Nicole and started kissing her. Then she threw her on the bed and started eating her. Nicole has such an absolutely stunning body and equally inviting snatch that I could not resist the temptation. I willingly joined in the feast. Gradually, the tequila took effect and Nicole became very active. She started going down me while Marcela still continued her testy supper. Then Marcella ordered me to do her from the backdoor while she is down on Nicole. I obliged without any hesitation. This girl is truly an anal freak! Then both of them started working on me. I was in heaven! All three bodies became one in wild and mutually inclusive move. Then came the time for Nicole to lose her “anal virginity”. It was a sight to behold. Marcella was prepping her for more than 5 min with KY jelly. Then it was time for me to drive down the Hershey highway! Nicole’s face twinged. I must have heard the word “devagar” more than 1000 times. It took almost 15 min, before Nicole could relax the muscle and beginning to enjoy. I could see the painful pleasure in her eyes. For sure, she won’t be able to sit for a long time tonight. More than 40 mins have passed. We changed position. Marcella reached climax on a cowgirl position. I finished Marcella on the backside and came all over her face. We took shower and Marcella told me Nicole still did not climaxed. Time is on the essence. We probably had less than 10 min for the session. Marcella ordered tequila in the suite and I prepared myself for a repeat performance. They both started working on me and soon I became hard and Nicole took the cowgirl position. Within 5 min, I witnessed Mt. Vesuvius explode. Vocę goze? She hid her face on my chest. Now Nicole wants me to come for the second time. I said it is impossible. First of all, it takes me long time to come and at my age the production of “leite” also takes long time. Nicole was relentless. She kept on blowing me vigorously. The girl must have magic touch. After few minutes, I came all over her mouth and face without giving her any pre-warning. She was startled, jumped up and ran for the shower. Telephone rang and we all broke into laugh.
I looked at the watch. It is 6:45. I have to leave hotel at 7 PM for the airport. I gave both girls a big kiss and promise to leave a nice tip at the front desk. They were begging me to come back next day. I said sure (never tell them when you are actually leaving). Até logo. Total dent in the wallet R$ 492.00 plus tips.
What a way to end a fantastic trip! How can I forget Rio! I will see you baby again and again…..
Part II follows……..
Bandy
Part II of the report…….
TERMAS MONTE CARLO:
Watched the Yankees vs. Red Sox, Game 3 of the ALCS in the Sports bar at Marriott. Game was finished around 9 PM. I am happy as a clam, because the Yankees won. JH and I were contemplating whether to squeeze in a terma action before our usual trip to Help. We decided on Monte Carlo. We reached around 9:15 PM and came to know it closes at 11:30 PM on Saturdays. Too little time! Anyway, when I first stepped foot inside the bar, I did not spot any real talent that I could be excited about. Then I saw her! A tall white blond in the bar. I knew we didn’t have much time to fool around. I just went over and grabbed her. A beautiful,playful, naughty face. In addition, she had a pair of wonderful breasts. My friend JH later on told me that he was very keen to touch her breast but restrained himself out of respect of our friendship. Melissa is a 21 yr. old mother of one 6 yr. old daughter. We had some drinks and lots of cuddling and touching. Around 10:30 we headed for the cabina for a 40 min session. The cabina was very small and I was quite disappointed. However, all those shortcomings were erased by the memorable carnal encounters with Melissa. She was really great in both giving and receiving pleasure. Only drawback of the session was that she is one of those few women who take long time to climax. She pounded on for more than 20 min on top of me. It was beginning to hurt me. But finally when she came, I thought she died on me. She squeezed me very hard with big scream and started hyperventilating. She was laying down on my chest for more than 5 min before she could gain enough energy to move. I whispered in her ear to let her know that she still had a job to finish. Telephone rang and I quickly finished in missionary position.
When came back inside the bar, I found JH in seventh heaven. He just came back from his maiden voyage of a three-some experience and totally floating in the air. I was so happy for him! We both had wonderful sessions. However, as opposed to L’uomo, for my taste, the number of doable girls in Monte Carlo is very limited. I only liked Melissa. May be it was Saturday, may be all the good-looking girls were in the cabina having sessions. But I could not think of coming back here for another try.
While settling our accounts, one American proclaimed that he is going to sell his house in US and move to Rio. Frequent visits to termas have known to cause short-term brain malfunction!
A word on Monte Carlo’s pricing policy: If you take two girls, you are charged for the room only once, and separately charged for the two girls, which you must pay by cash. For example, one 40 min session in standard cabin is R$140, (R$40 for the cabin and R$100 for the girl). If you take two girls, total charge will be R$240 instead of R$280. In L’uomo, they just double the charge of a single girl rate (in this case it will be R$280). Kudos to this establishment for their sensible pricing structure. You are renting the room for 40 min. Why the termas will charge double for the rent when you have two girls in the room is beyond my comprehension.
TERMAS 4X4:
I know I will be flamed for my comment on this terma. But remember my opening statement; these are all my own personal views. This terma is well reviewed in this forum many times over and at one point we were considering to start our trip with this terma. In retrospect, I am glad we didn’t do it. I never been so disappointed with the quality of the girls. I was told there were more blond women in this terma compared to others. Not true! Unless I am color blind. This was on a Monday and we reached around 7 PM. Because of its downtown location, the bar is full of wall-to-wall men. I don’t mind women’s touch. But constantly feeling the touch of men is not very appetizing. I felt like I am in a crowded bus in a third world country. I thought of getting out of that place and go to L’oumo. But that would have been a mistake too! Anyway, finally we could grab a table. All the girls were started hitting on us. My friend JH is more forgiving than me and paid some attention to some of these girls. I could not bring myself up to engage in any reasonable chitchat with them. Bottom line was the garotas were all very unattractive. We paid a trip upstairs in the VIP room. Same story. Less crowd but no stunner also. The same girls were circulating between the two bars. After about an hour, the show started. I went close to the stage. Now that’s something separates this place from other termas. These were full nude spread shows. Great music, great enthusiastic performances by all the dancers. I was interested in one of the dancers and was told that they were not on the menu. Meanwhile, JH showed somewhat reluctant interest in one of the girls. I never objected to any of his choice before. But this night I was blunt. I told him, if he takes this particular girl I wont consider him my friend anymore. She was really ugly! He quickly searched for an alternative and found a nice one for his taste. I already made up my mind. I was not going to waste any bullet in this place. JH retreated to a suite for an hour session around 10:30 PM. (You must take the hour option; the difference is only R$20 as compared to 40 min session). I told him I would wait inside the bar for him. At this point, the crowd beginning to dissipate. I started to breathe easy. Another set of dancers was on the stage and I started to enjoy the show. Suddenly, I felt someone is massaging my back. I turned around. A very eager pair of eyes is staring at me. I spotted her before and never was interested. But since I have some time to kill and no one is around, I initiated some conversation with her. She is a tall, tanned, somewhat(?) blond haired girl. Her name is Luna. She was all over me and insisting on going to cabina. She already knew my friend is having a session. By that time, she touched me enough inside the robe that I was aroused. I started to have second thought. But still I restrained myself and politely told her that I am very tired and may be come back tomorrow for her. She had a dejected look on her face and went to sit in a corner. My friend came back from his session. He was satisfied with his girl but said L’uomo and Monte Carlo were better. All of a sudden, I spotted one particular girl who was approaching us from the other end of the stage. The reason I never spotted her before is that she was sitting way up front with some guys and never mingled in the main area. I was spellbound with her beauty. Now my general preference is white skinned or morena with dark hair girls. Blonds are ok if they are really gorgeous. I never paid any attention to darker skinned girls. She was a mulata. I must say I was really fortunate to make her acquaintance. The beauty she radiated has nothing to do with sex. She just floored me with her eyes, hair and smile. I made up my mind. I want her. But Luna is still sitting in the corner and watching me. I didn’t want to insult her. So I told my friend to bring the girl out of the bar and I am waiting outside.
By now, it is almost 11:40 PM. I grabbed her hand and went straight to the VIP room. I ordered drinks and started kissing her passionately. She reciprocated beautifully and I knew I have a winner in my hand. By the way, her name is Mel. Has a 6 yr. old daughter (what’s wrong with all of them, being a mommy at the age of 15!). Started working at 4X4 on Sept. 11. Very fresh!
What transpired in the suite will remain fixate forever in my memory. She slowly started with a dance number standing on the bed on top of me while I was in supine position. Gradually coming down and kissing me. And from there on our natural moves took over. It was never a wild sex. But all the elements were there in exact proportions. She provided me with an experience of a girl friend, a wife, a porno star (squeezing every drop in her lips and mouths for several minutes until I have nothing more to spare). Normally I never go for a second round (because the first round already takes long time). But with her it felt so natural. She climaxed in a cowgirl position and we just hold each other for a while which felt like an eternity. The hour was almost over. We took a shower. I hugged her and freely admitted that I had one of the best times in my life. I told her I felt I knew her for a long time and everything felt very natural. Then she confessed the unthinkable. She told me I was her first client for the night and that’s why she also enjoyed the session very much. I could not believe it. All the time I hear that these girls have 5 or 6 sessions a night. It was 1’o clock in the morning and she is so beautiful. How it was possible that she never had any session before me! She said most of the Brazilians come here for drinking and they rarely do sessions. While coming out of the room I met her prima. She also confirmed that I was her first customer. Then she took me to the front desk and asked the clerk to show me the ledger book to confirm her assertion. At this point, I started laughing. I told her it does not matter to me. However, it was very important for her to establish that she was not lying. She scored very high point in my book. At certain level I must have felt little better knowing that I was the only man for her tonight. She slipped her telephone number in the middle of stairs avoiding the camera eye. They all gave their numbers without asking. May be she really enjoyed my company. I know I did. The only regret of my trip that I could not repeat a session with Mel. She was willing to come to my hotel. But I simply ran out of time.
What started as a disaster, turned out to be one of the most memorable experiences of my life. I must start paying attention to mulatas from this day forward. They really know how to make a man happy.
Mel is an exception. I still stand by my opening remark. 4 x 4 is overrated.
To be continued on Part III…..
Bandy
Bandy, thanks for your reports.
But, you mention you were dissapointed by 4x4, and also that you arrived at 7p.
Gentlemen, IMO, 4x4 is great - but if you're not going to get there before 5p and beat the crowd of downton Carioco workingmen, then don't go at all. One's opinion of 4x4 can swing 180-degrees based on arrival time of afternoon vs. afterwork.
Not that it's not fun when it's packed, but it's an entirely different place. I recall one afternoon, maybe 3p or 4p, counting 7 men and over 35 girls. Later, while still having a good time, at about 7p or 8p, there were over 200 people there maybe, and men must have outnumbered the girls I'd guess.
Leo,
You are absolutely right. I knew about the timing issue. Although, I must say, I was not prepared for such a crowd. My disappointment was with the quality of the girls. Nothing extraordinary. I believe, Athos hit the right point. These girls circulate among these few well known termas. And at times, certain terma can be full of good looking girls and vice versa. Still going through my notes and trying to finish up the rest of the reports. Hope you guys like it.
Bandy
Brandy,
Nice reports. I am having a really hard time now finding my flight and since you are fresh from Rio I have a question to ask.
This will be my first time to South Amercia and my friends have started trying to talk me into going to Argentina as opposed to Brazil. Which, in your opinion, as more stunners- Brazil (Rio) or Argentina (BA)?
My tastes are slightly different then yours. I like the tanned but hot latin girls. I am extremely picky having been spoiled with California girls!
Thanks for the help!
CT-
Part III of the report…….
TERMAS 65:
Since the day we stepped into our hotel, all the guys from bellboys to desk clerks to drivers were raving in unison regarding 65. According to them this is the best terma in Rio. I was totally confused. I never saw any report in this forum claiming such a distinction. However, after contemplating for few days, my friend and I decided to pay them a visit.
Termas 65 is in downtown, next street from the 4 x 4. We returned from our sight seeing tour of Sugar Loaf and Cocovado and reached 65 around 8 PM. When we entered the bar, I was startled. Inordinate number of blond women. Although it is in downtown, the crowd was considerably less than 4 x 4. I took a drink and started talking with an attractive white blond girl. Her name is Larissa. 21 yr. old, no children. I noticed she had fake boobs. I asked her whether her boobs were real. She said no. I asked whether her hair was real. She answered no. Then I asked whether she has anything that was real. She broke into hysteric laugh and pointed a finger towards her box. I breathed a sigh of relief. I was curious about this unusual abundance of blond women in this terma and I asked her whether these were real blond. Out of 14 women, she identified only one natural blond. She said that Brazilian men love blond girls and naturally they color their hair. At that point I realized why the hotel staff were marveling about this place.
Larissa was funny and extremely adorable. But her fake boobs were a concern for me. I decided to wait and look for other possible alternative. I found a reasonably attractive tall blond (what’s new!) girl. I invited her on the sofa and asked her whether she would like to drink something. She ordered a drink. However, when I tried to kiss her, I felt her response was quite cold. My antenna went straight up. This never happens in terma. They normally try to entice you. Here I was trying to get something going, and she was quite unresponsive. Her drink came and she did the unthinkable. She passed the drink to her friend sitting next to her. I was pissed. I asked her whether she ordered the drink for her or for her friend. If it was for her friend, then the friend should come and sit with me. She got rattled and did not know how to answer. Larissa was looking at me from the other side of the room. I signalled her to come. She ran and jumped on my lap. At least I knew that with her I was guaranteed a good time. I never looked at the other girl the entire time. Meanwhile, my friend JH also selected a lovely little morena. We both proceeded to have an hour session in the suite.
While waiting near the elevator for our girls, one cutie came to us and tried to convince us for a three-some. She said that she knew both Larissa and JH’s girl and she was willing to go with either one of them. This girl had a wonderful pair of breasts. I saw JH was looking straight at the headlights. He asked her whether those were real. The girl just unzipped them and took JH’s hand and put it on her treasures. JH started playing with them. I thought I should join in the fun too. This girl really had great boobs. This was going on in front of other girls near an elevator. Things Rio makes you do! The elevator door opened and our girls also came back. The cutie tried to do a hard sell, but there was no taker.
The suite was quite large as compared to other termas. I took a quick shower and the session commenced. Larissa provided an extraordinary blowjob. The girl can really deep-throat. She had an absolutely gorgeous body. Larissa tried her best to please me, but the fake boobs constantly bothered me. The sex was….just sex. Nothing memorable. I finished in anal position. These Brazilian girls really got some butts!
I took another quick shower and Larissa started to give me a massage. Then the most embarrassing thing happened. Within minutes I fell asleep. Constant cycle of coming from Help at early morning, sight seeing in the afternoon and, then terma in the evening, made me totally sleep deprived. Practically, I was not getting more than 2 hours of sleep in a day.
When I woke up, I was totally disoriented. I had no idea where I was. Then I vaguely started to see a girl in the shower. It was a quite eerie feeling, which reminded me the famous shower scene from the movie Psycho. Then I realized Larissa was in the shower and was pointing to her watch indicating that the time was up. I felt embarrassed but fresh. I could never imagined how a mere 30 min nap can make you feel so rejuvenated. Help….here I come.
Termas 65….If you could get over the fake blond issue, there are quite a few doable girls.
CENTAURUS:
This was my last night at Rio. JH just left for the airport for his trip back to US. I was feeling little sad. For the last 9 days we were practically inseparable. Marcela from L’oumo was supposed to come at 9 PM. Somehow, I was beginning to doubt whether she will ever show up. I waited until 9:30 and called her cell. No answer. I decided to go to Centaurus.
It was only 10 min ride to Ipenema. Paid the required R$290 at the entrance and received the locker key. While I was opening the locker, one of the garotas came with the towel and stood very close to me. I heard that they try to assign somebody when you first come in. I just got very angry. I frowned and asked her what she was doing here. "I am going to help you", was her answer. "Ok, come in the shower and wash me", I replied. She got startled. I told her to go back to her friends.
Before I could enter the bar, I was accosted by Flabiana near the staircase. This was the girl I met last night at Help. She is extremely beautiful and I almost took her. The only unsolved issue was that she could only stay for 2 hours, not TLN. The deal fell through. I only do TLN at night. However, Flabiana told me that she only comes to Help on Thursdays and Fridays and does not work anywhere else. This time I caught her red-handed and she became very embarrassed and started kissing me. I said that the deal was still on, if she came for TLN. She said that we will talk about it later. I entered the bar. Now, this is what I call the collection of good-looking women! There were at least 20 girls I could have done a session in a heartbeat. My eyes got fixated on a gorgeous blond. She started smiling at me and I did not feel like wasting any time. I invited her over and things flew naturally. She is Beatrice, 20 Yr. old Psychology student. She has a extremely fair skin and beautiful eyes. She is definitely one of the top 5 most beautiful girls I ever been with. The entire time I could not take my eyes of her. She is one really pretty girl. Too bad, I could not risk taking my expensive digital camera inside the terma. She will forever be fixated in my memory.
It was a forty-minute session in the cabina. The size of the cabina was quite acceptable, not as crimpy as in Monte Carlo. She told me to wait inside the room and went to take a shower. She came back within 10 minutes and our session started. What a body! Every inch of her structure is simply spectacular. The skin is baby soft and the box is unbelievably inviting. She was very romantic, offered every position, including anal. I finished on her face. Some sight to behold. After the session, she quickly wrote her e-mail address on a napkin and begged me to write to her. All I could think that I wish I was 20 years younger!
I came back inside the bar and took a drink. Flabiana came to see me. She introduced her 20 yr. old sister, equally beautiful. Flabiana is only 3 years older than her. I asked her that instead of protecting a younger sister, why she was teaching her the trick of the trade. We all had a laugh. Flabiana still was not able to do TLN tonight. Tomorrow morning she is leaving for a friend’s wedding. This was Saturday night and Centaurus was closing at 12. Four of the girls (all gorgeous) accosted me and they all wanted to go to Help. I was game. I had to catch the end of the Yankees game. I told them to go to Help and I will meet them at 1 AM. Great girls!
Centaurus: A great collection of most beautiful girls under one roof. My kind of place!
Part IV of the report will follow…..
Bandy
Bandy, excellent reports, keep up the good work!
Athos, that terma 502 sounds great, I love mulattas! How is the level of quality? Do you know at what time it usually opens? Is it easy to recognise it from the street or is it hidden?
Also, to anyone with good knowledge of the semi-pro and non-pro sides of Rio, I'm really interested in getting names and addresses of discos, bars, bars areas, etc where there is a chance (even if it is slight) of picking up non/semi-pros.
Finally, are there any newspapers or magazines where the independent pros and apartments with pros advertise? I'd like to take a look at this aspect of the Rio meat market too.
My next sexpedition to Rio will take place in few weeks and I am now finalising my research on all pussy-related facts about Rio, so any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
I am about to go on my 2nd trip to to Rio in January. On the 1st trip I went to 4X4, Luomo, Solarium and Terma 65.
Terma 65 on a whole, had the best looking and friendliest garotas of all the termas I went to. This place was tricky to get phone numbers from the girls though, they are not allowed to have pens but I have a great souvenir of a bar of soap with a phone number scratched in with a room key.
4X4 had pretty girls but aggressive (very pro-attitude) but if you get there before 5PM it is the best bang for your buck (pun intended), they kickback the entrance fee if you take a garota before 5PM and the differential between a 40 miniute and an hour in a suite is only R$20 so that was a no brainer. Got out of there relatively cheap. Make sure you go to the back boite with your garota before going to the suites. No one seems to know about it and you can have a goos half hour of foreplay and kissing and stuff before you go to your suite for the real deal.
Solarium had very pretty girls and lively but kind of far from where I was staying and was very crowded in the evening. I went with a beautiful garota and had a great time. They also do strip shows in the boite which is always fun.
Luomo was fun and I like the little strip shows that they do. I got rooked into gettin the big suite which was nothing special but the girl had a great attitude.
All termas I went to completa was the norm and always offered. All girls gave their numbers out and I did a couple in-calls with them. Prices were about R$150 but they stay LTN and have no problem with all you can boink.
Part IV and the final part of the report........
HELP Discoteca:
What else can I say about this place that has not been said before! I loved this place. There were plenty of girls for everyone's taste. I never felt the girls (that I encountered) were hardcore pro. Their company, both inside and outside the club, was very enjoyable. Except for one disaster episode (my brain must have taken a day off that night!), all of my experiences were quite memorable. However, there is one drawback. After going 9 consecutive nights, there was nothing left for imagination. The music became boring, and started seeing the same girls over and over again making the choice somewhat limited. You must take a break and try to go somewhere else just for the sake of a change. One safety issue reminder: although personally I never witnessed, but time to time some horrible fights are known to break up in Help.
Elainey:
This was our first night in Help. I was still sucking up the ambiance of this world famous place. I saw in front of me one very attractive white girl doing the movement of Hula dancing. I was curious and asked her whether she was familiar with Hula. She showed ignorance, but our conversations flowed freely. She ordered a Red Bull (watch out! definite signal that things are not going to go well). We danced a little and the negotiations started. I had my flat out rejection. She wants R$200 for 2 hrs. And I only do TLN at night and don't pay more than R$200. My maiden attempt at Help was unsuccessful. I just had a wonderful session at the terma. So I thought, this night I could take some rest and was not willing to chance another rejection. I was slowly sipping my drink. All of a sudden one girl approached me like a freight train from the dance floor, got hold of my hands and pulled me back to the dance floor. Guys, meet Elainey. She is 22 yr. old morena, no children. She works part time as a nursing technologist. She has a gorgeous figure, and her eyes and hair were very attractive. I took an immediate liking in her. Her personality was so charming, I had no hesitation that she was coming with me that night. She never ordered a drink and was quite passionate on the dance floor. My standard negotiations of R$200 TLN, payment later and BBBJ were all accepted. Meanwhile, my friend JH also found his lady for the night and four of us took our first walk from Help to our hotel.
Elainey started kissing me inside the elevator in front of my friend and his girl. Before I got a chance to close the door properly, she threw me on the bed and jumped on me. She was a lose cat. A wild, wild action filled few hours followed. At one point, I really thought that I was not going to survive the ordeal. Except anal, everything was on the menu. In fact, none of the girls I took from Help, did anal. The only flaw of her body is that her boobs are on the small side. After the deed, we took shower and she became an absolutely adorable doll. Totally different person. We cuddled for sometime and I rest my head against her thick curley hair which smelled like heaven. I fell asleep. Elainey left around 1 PM .
Take a look at her picture under the Photo Gallery section.
Reneta, Reneta, Reneta...........
Remember the name. Disaster with capital D. Try to avoid her at all cost. It was a Sunday. The worst day to go to Help. Less girls with lesser quality. Somehow, that night I was a sex hungry maniac. All I wanted was to F*** somebody. Naturally, I was thinking with my small head and left the bigger one at home. First I picked a girl, who was obviously drunk. Since I noticed her the night before and liked, I naturally made the deal with her. I even told my friend that tonight I am taking this drunk girl back to my hotel. But after two more Red Bulls, she fell. Even my little head told me, "no go"! It was approaching 4 ‘O clock and I had no prospect in sight! Then I proposed to a dark, reasonably attractive girl. Deal was almost consumed, when she uttered the very unappetizing words ... "in US they charge $200 an hour". Honey, we are in Rio not in US. Tchau! The only one left at this point.....you guessed it....Reneta. She is definitely attractive. 23 yr. old, white, with dark blond hair. Used to work at Café Foto and Bahamas in Sao Paulo. We came to the hotel and things were going great. After the shower, we got under the sheet. At this time, she received a phone call. It was her room mate who lost the key and wants her spare key from her. She started yelling at her. Her mood is now totally off. I tried to initiate something, but she shoved me off. She wanted to sleep. I said ok, but you won't get paid. My God!, she went wild. She said I insulted her and started crying profusely. At this point, my bigger head prevailed and I started to see the big picture. I strongly suspected she was on drugs. Her behavior was totally irrational. She went on top of me and said let's f***. I said no. Pay me the money. At this point I really wanted to get rid of her. I immediately paid the money and told her to leave. Now she wanted to sleep with me. She put her head on my chest and held me tightly. At certain level I was really feeling sorry for her but on the other hand this charade was getting too much. Finally at 9 AM, I really put my foot down and told her to leave. This is the first time in my life, I really paid somebody to leave! I never got a chance to see her naked. Next night, when we went to Help, she came to my friend and asked for me. She found me and gave me a big hug and said sorry. I asked her whether she was on drugs. Of course she denied. I bought her a drink and said goodbye. I always like to close a chapter with somewhat acceptable ending. Otherwise it would have bothered me the whole time.
Graciela:
This night in Help, I was looking for one of my regulars but could not find her. All of a sudden I saw Graciela. She generally does not come to Help. She seldom works from one of the better restaurants. I forgot the name. She is a 20 yr. old student. I took a look at her face and died. All I could think of looking at that face while going down on me. Her built was on the chubby side. Otherwise everything was flawless. In the room she was extraordinarily passionate. It was one of the most memorable encounters I will always cherish. She left around 2 PM. She was dying to see me again, but time was so limited! Next time I really have to come to Rio for longer time.
Take a look at her picture under Photo Gallery section.
Taciana:
This night I told my friend that I have spotted one very attractive girl last night and if I see her again, I would like to take her. I was searching on the dance floor for her and within minutes I spotted her dancing with her friend. Her shirt had a New York logo and I called her. I asked her what she was doing wearing My City on her chest. "Oh! you are from New York?" Ice was broken. We started dancing. By any stretch of imagination I am not a good dancer. But that night I really felt like dancing with her and I felt she was also enjoying. We stopped for a while and went for drinks. She wanted only water! Holy cow! She passed the Red Bull test. In my opinion, if a girl likes you, she won't go for expensive drink. The most any girl asked was up to R$5 drink. I used to give them a R$20 bill just to check. They will buy the less expensive drink and return the change. None of the "Red Bull" girls, I ended up taking. Anyway, her name is Taciana and she was visiting her cousin at Rio for two weeks. She was from Sao Paulo, works in Café Foto. She is 21 yr old and has one child. We danced a little bit and then headed for the hotel.
While in the elevator, I told her that tonight we will be married and tomorrow afternoon we will be divorced. Agreed? And if she wants, my friend can be the priest and perform the wedding ceremony. We had a chuckle! We started addressing each other "honey"! I could not believe how beautiful the experience was! Not only she had a gorgeous body, but she also had a wonderful personality. I felt I knew her for a long time. It was truly a love making encounter and I felt I was sleeping with a true girlfriend. These Brazilian girls really know how to make a man happy! We went for breakfast around 11 AM. After breakfast, she initiated another round. Great girl!
Two nights later, I entered Help around 1 AM. Taciana noticed me and screamed across the dance floor "Honey! are we married or divorced?" Needless to say, that night we got married again followed by an amicable divorce in the afternoon which cost me only R$200 and a candy bar. Taciana and I left Rio on the same day. Unfortunately, our final destinations were different. This one telephone number I will carry. If I happen to be at SAMPA, I will try to get in touch with her. Of all the girls I met, she really stands out. And it has nothing to do with sex. She is a great person to spend time with.
Take a look at her picture under Photo Gallery section.
PR:
I only know her real name, so let's just call her PR. She is 18 years old (will be 19 in Dec.), tall, very attractive morena with dark hair. I met her in Help on my second night. I spotted her the night before and when I talked to her she said that she had also noticed me. I asked why did she remember me. She answered that she thought I was Portuguese, because I dressed conservatively. We took some drinks (not Red Bull) and went upstairs. This is the only girl in this entire trip who could speak fluent English. So far, I was operating on my limited Portuguese and Spanish skills. I felt at home. She is a student who aspires to be a lawyer someday. We talked, talked and talked. My favorite activity. I noticed a definite quirkiness (in a nice way) in her behavior. Her presence became very much intellectually stimulating. She had always some regimented answer ready. I met my match. Our age difference gradually started to diminish and I found many common grounds to talk about. I really started to like her, but not in a romantic way! It was more like a friend, pal. At the hotel, we again talked a lot. I asked her that she is only 18, why she is wasting her life like this. She speaks such a good English that there must be various job opportunities that other Help girls may not have. She said she worked as event promoter as well as interpreter. But money is very poor and she has a lot of financial obligations. Then she asked me a question that I was not quite prepared for. She asked me that since I am an well educated person, why do I sleep with prostitutes. Valid question! Only no working girl ever asked this before. I met my match. I gave my standard answer that at this age it is better for me to rent than buy. Then I told her some of my personal circumstances which led to these mongering activities. I saw her eyes got teary. She said she was sorry and will not ask this kind of question again. I felt tired and wanted to sleep. She had a wonderful pair of breasts. I asked her if it was ok that I hold her breast and sleep (my quirkiness). She took my arm around her and placed it on her breast. I fell asleep. We got up around 11 AM and went for breakfast. After breakfast, we had our first sex. Terrible! She does not know anything. She is in this business for just three months, and does not know anything about pleasing a man. I proclaimed this was the worst sex I ever had in my life. She answered back," you are right, I also didn't like it". I met my match! This girl is beginning to get into my head. I might have to see her again.
Two nights later, I entered in Help and saw PR was sitting on the sofa. One look at her and I became a basketcase. She looked so beautiful! I went and gave her a kiss. "Did you think about me?" I asked. "No, but I thought all the time about what you said the other night" she replied. How can you not like this girl! I told her that she was coming with me tonight. I told her to go and mingle with her friends and I would come back for her within an hour. This night she sang some Portugese songs. Beautiful voice. She announced that today's sex will be better. Only better part was that this time she gave me a brief BBBJ followed by the same "no good " sex. I totally gave up hope on this part of our liaison. My friend JH, who by now she is quite fond of, wanted to see some normal clubs. We got tired of Help. So I asked her whether she will be our guide and take us to some other clubs. She agreed.
Following night three of us went out for dinner at Porcao in Ipenema. The food was excellent but I was kind of sad. They were telecasting live the last game of the ALCS and Yankees were down 4-1. We finished dinner and headed for the "No Name Bar", near Barberella. This bar has a Scottish owner and the music was supposed to be good. We ordered some drinks and spent some time, but all of us did not like the music or the ambience. So our only fall back option was....where else, but Help. We entered Help and I saw, in the big projection TV, the Yankees game was still going on. I could not believe it! I thought the game would be over by now. PR wanted to dance. I told her to go and take a sit. I was fixated on the game. She was mad and left. Yankees won in a dramatic fashion and I started jumping. Everybody was looking at me. I ran to meet my friend or PR. I met PR halfway down the floor and just lifted her and started screaming "My team won!". "What game is this, football?" she asked. What a come backer! Then she started complaining. "Do you know how many men approached me? You left me alone!". "So what did you tell them", I asked. "Excuse me, that's all" she replied. That night things got really interesting. Not the sex, that's still "no good". But she opened herself a lot. I learned so many stuff about her personal life, that I started to feel very sad. Such a young age and she has to carry so much burden! Three mongers want to marry her. One half crazy monger is madly in love with her. She introduced him to me the other night in Help and he wanted her to go away with him. She told him to go home and she was going with me. She apologized profusely for this and I told her not to sweat. The things they go thorough!
On my last night at Rio , I went to Centaurus and made plan to meet four girls from that place in Help. I came to Help at 1 AM and met my new friends. I bought drinks for all of them and started talking. I danced with one of them and was contemplating who to take home for my last night. Then in the corner of my eyes, I saw PR walked in. I took one look at her and melted. Why mess with a sure thing. Great company, bad sex. I can live with that. I wanted to spend my last night in Rio with her. I gave her a kiss and said "let's go". "Let's dance a little bit", she replied . After an hour, I took the last walk from Help to my hotel. In the room I asked her "Why do you like me?" "Because you let me sleep. Other guys will jump on me the moment they walk in the room" she said. I really like this girl. What an honest mind. Only a 18 yr. old can think that way. She is still not corrupted with the poison of her trade. Then she enquired "why do you ask so many questions?". "Because someday I plan to write a book", I replied. "Did you write books before", she asked. "No, but I wrote a lot of scientific papers" I replied. "How big are they?" she enquired. "May be 20-30 pages each", I replied. "Tell me something what you are going to write", she asked. I had some idea and described briefly my plot. She was intrigued. "Tell me more" she insisted. I just lightly kissed her forehead and said "go back to sleep, I will tell you more in the morning". She held me tight and I fell asleep within minutes.
I woke up around 11 AM and could not find PR next to me. The room was dark and I was worried. Then I saw she was sleeping on the next bed. "What happened", I asked. "You snored on my ear the whole night. I couldn't sleep. I came in this bed in the morning"she complained. I realized why the hotel provides the other bed. It's a safety device for garotas for protection from customers who snore.
She came back to my bed and we cuddled for a while. We washed, performed for the last time our "no good" sex and hit the shower. Her eyes got teary while leaving. Only she knew I was leaving today. I gave her some gifts and planted a kiss for the last time. She made me promise to write her every week. "How many guys have your e-mail", I asked. "May be 100", she replied. I held her for a minute and said goodbye. PR, I will never forget you! I will always cherish our time together. Hope you realize your dream and become a lawyer someday!
CRIME and SAFETY:
I loved Rio and I always felt safe wherever we went. I took my expensive digital and video camera and shot in public. Never felt unsafe. People are wonderful and very friendly. Only one night, things got little hairy. Every night, while coming back from Help, all four of us (My friend and I and our dates) walked together. This night, Taciana was with me. A group of young kids, mostly girls accosted us for money. I saw a very tall black guy came behind me. I got startled. But Taciana told me not to worry. This was a security guard from Help. The kids went away. Moments later, they were again on to us. We started walking fast. My friend's date made the mistake of opening her purse and gave some money to the kids. Obviously we got separated. Taciana and I was alone near the Othon Palace hotel. I was calling my friend to catch up with us, but the kids were still bothering them. Meanwhile, a medium built black guy, standing about 5 ft in front of me yelled "Hey Gringo"! I think this was a racket. They employ the little kids to distract us and then they try to rob us. I told Taciana not to answer him and walk fast. This guy also started walking ahead of us and another guy joined him. The first guy made a left turn and hid near the wall and the second guy went ahead of us. I told Taciana to avoid the corner and walk on the street. By now we were very close to Rio Roiss. The night manager of our hotel saw in the mirror that the other guy was hiding behind the wall. He immediately sent the bell boy out to help us. Meanwhile some night guards of the Othon Palace Hotel also came out. My friend and his date finally caught up with us. The kids were still coming. But seeing all those guards, finally they all backed out. Although nothing really happened, I felt a bad taste in my mouth. Taciana had a pair of boots on. She proclaimed that she would have kicked that guy's rear end. What a girl! From next night on, Othon Palace stationed a guard on the Meia Pataca side and left their lights on for the whole night. I never saw a single rouge soul after that night.
I hope you guys have fun reading this report. I certainly enjoyed writing it.
Bandy
Hi guys,
Am heading to Rio end of Nov for the 2nd time after having such a wikkkkkid time there in March. Pretty much got to know the termas scene and the girls at Help so know what am doing there - just need some info and your guidence on couple of things:
Does anyone know if VIP's have rates for like a whole weekend or even a week? and how much? Would be pretty expensive if they charged like 3x8hrs as daily rate?
Which escort service do u recommend where u get the actual girls u order and where there are no problems speaking english to order girls when u call them up? Didnt try escorts last time so really want to this time...
Lastly and most important, hehehe! Is it true that you can you buy Viagra at counter anywhere and if so where please? Near Copa or Ipa Beach would be great ;-)
Thanks all and am sure will bump in to at least a couple of you guys in Help or termas as am going to be in Brazil for a month, but probably in Rio for 2 weeks.
Cheers :-)
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize proper names. To avoid future delays, please capitalize the first letters of proper names, including names of people, places, countries, cities, streets, nationalities, etc. in future reports.Thanks!
Bandy, re: "Reneta" (do you mean Renata?) it's a very interesting story. The only question I have is why you thought she was on drugs or irrational. She seems highly rational to me.
Got a phone call that upset her - for whatever reason (ever think it may not have been about a key at all?). didn't want to fuck afterwards. Hey, sounds normal to me. Then when you didn't want to pay, threw a fit. Again, sounds real normal, given what came later: you paid. The proper term the pros use for this is "fazer escândulo" and they're experts at it. It's a very normal occurence when a john tries to welsh on a trick - whether or not it was performed to service.
You may not have been happy with the outcome, but it sounds like she got what she wanted, so I wouldn't classify her behavior as "irrational" just because she didn't please you.
Unless there's something else you didn't tell us, her behavior sounds a lot more "normal" than Tatiana's.
Help and "girlfriends".
Folks, I've lived a long time here in Rio, speak extremely fluent Portuguese and, in general, know the orla scene very, very well. Now, this doesn't make my take on things "God's own truth", but I would say it puts me a few lengths ahead of the guys who can barely speak the language and would get lost outside of Copacabana without a guide. Furthermore, I'm not a john, nor do I condemn them or prostitutes. This means that it's relatively easier for me to talk to some of these women more honestly than y'all without feeling the need to play the moralistic prat.
So here's my take on the eternal "can one find a real girlfriend at Help?" bit...
I can tell you right now, categorically, that Help has a very, very bad reputation among people who live in Rio. There aren't many "normal" carioca women to be found there. Sure, on an average night, there might be some "non-professional" girls hanging out there, but they're generally not looking to pick YOU up unless they are 1) looking to turn a very ocasional trick or 2) hoping to snag a gringo boyfriend.
The first case is very, very rare, despite what your "girlfriends" may tell you. Why? Well put it this way, friends: most women are extremely adverse to turning tricks and wouldn't do it unless you paid them a HELL of a lot of money. Once they've done it, however, and have seen the cash that can be made, why would they go back to making R$300 a month as a medical technician and working those insane hours? I think it's slightly more likely that there may be student types working Help to pay for classes, but again, I'd caution men against fooling themselves into thinking that it's an occasional thing. From what I've seen and heard, unless a woman is VERY good, she needs to hit Help for something like 4 nights in a row before she scores. It's thus not a winning proposition for a girl whose low on cash to spend something like R$50 on the off chance that she MIGHT make 4 - 6 times that. Help only pays off if you do it regularly.
In the second case, I'd caution you guys that there is more than one way of getting paid: a relatively steady relationship with a boyfriend who pays all your nightlife bills, buys you presents, takes you on trips and may even (who knows?) pay for you to come visit him in his home country if he is a gringo is nothing to sneaze at.
Furthermore, stop and reflect on three more facts. First of all most of you are very ignorant (sorry!) about regular life and culture here in Brazil. It's thus very easy for a girl to tell whatever story she likes and have a great chance of having it believed, particularly if it fits in with what the guy already wants to believe. Secondly, these girls are GREAT students of behavior. While you may know a few words of Portuguese (or, more likely, Spanish) many of them have picked up quite a lot of English. They do this night after night and have heard the same old stories by gringo men crying in their beer over "cruel hearted American women" time and again. They pretty much KNOW what you want: sex and a pretty, sympathetic face looking back at you and saying your the greatest guy she's ever met. Do you know what they want? Given what I've seen on this board, I really doubt it. Finally, prostitutes ARE REGULAR WOMEN, TOO! They can play one game as easily as another and switch back and forth as the situation requires.
I've interviewed plenty of girls who quite openly talk about how they present themselves to gringos. Very few of them will say "Yes, I'm a ***** and this is what I do full time," to men without any reservations. What's the point? It's not how the girl wants to think of herself and CERTAINLY not how the john wants to think of her. The john wants a GFE. He wants to feel that, all things considered, he could've laid this girl without paying for her. It costs the girl nothing to play into that fantasy and might make her quite a bit indeed! Look at Bandy's "Taciana": now there's a girl who knows which side of the bread the butter ought to go! By playing into Bandy's GFE fantasy, she got him to pay for her twice in three days. 400R$ in 3 days is a nice piece of work on the orla, any way you cut it, and all for being pleasant and calling Bandy "honey" while she had sex with him.
Furthermore, I've talked to girls who will completely play into the GFE fantasy if the mood strikes them, they're temporarily flush and the john in question looks like he's a soft touch. Why? Because they can often get a of a lot more out of a "boyfriend" in presents and bills paid than they can in straight-up reais for services rendered. There's little preventing her from working on the side when he's not looking and if things break down, she can always go back to straight hooking. If she's REALLY lucky, he might even invite her to visit him outside of Brazil. All things considered, it's a risk the girls can occasionally take, especially if they've got all their bills paid and a little nest egg in the bank in case of emergencies. In this case, do you think the girl is liable to admit that she works as a ***** most of the time? No way! She's a manicurist, a student, a dental technician, a beautician or what have you who comes to Help because she "just likes sex and wants to have a good time".
Well, I hate to break this to the folks out there who believe this myth, but for the price of admission to Help and a couple of drinks, one can go to any one of a number of clubs where the music's better, the beer's cheaper, the party more happening AND where the men speak one's langauge and there's jsut as good if not better chance of getting laid. Women don't have to LOOK for places where it's easy to get laid in Rio, you know: dick is available 24/7 anywhere they want it. There is one - and ONLY one - reason to go to Help if one is a woman and looking for sex: there, one can find gringo men willing to pay top dollar for it.
Now I'll be the first to admit that very occasionally an innocent might stumble through the front door and be caught up in the "fun", but by and large, Help isn't a Brazilian's idea of a good time. The atmosphere and kind of music that's played there is not to be found in any other bar in the city (other than similar sex tourism joints) and if it were, those places would go out of business quite quickly. It's not the kind of place any woman goes to for a good time unless she's already part of the prostitution scene in Copa or unless she's taking a quick trip to check out and laugh at the gringo/pro zoo - usually with her boyfriend.
(BTW, Help was recently profiled in Veja Rio as being a great place to do exactly this.)
Help is a bizarre place to be for us. It's not nice, nor comfortable because it's not geared to Brazilian, but rather to gringo tastes. In fact, for most of my women friends here in Rio - of any class - Help is the last place they'd be caught dead alone.
So have fun at Help, but don't let your illusions get the better of you. The women there are there for one thing only; some of them may just be better at hiding that one thing from you. Seeing as how so many of you have been open about your horrible experiences with women whom you've loved and later found out were gold-diggers, I think it's meet to warn you all: DO NOT fall in love with women from Help. They are, in the local vernacular, mercenárias.
Here's a bit in response to Cutting Edge's generally good advice.
"The girls HAVE BRASILIAN BOYFRIENDS!!!"
Actually CE, it's been my experience that many of them have girlfriends as well. Ever wonder why there's so many butch types hanging around the orls? Well, now you know.
"Brasilian girls are generous with their love, just go to one of the web cafes on the blocks near Help, everyday you will see them writing email after email to all their lovers worldwide."
This isn't a problem with brasileiras per se, but with the type of girl who's making bank on the orla. About one of the most singularly stupid things someone recently told me is "Brazilian women are pretty much all alike; they all come from the same culture, after all".
Uh huh. and so are American men pretty much all alike, right?
"What I found incredulous was that they would get all these CHANCES with a comparatively rich gringo, then sneak off to be with some real low life who looks like an extra from the Cidade de Deus movie."
Well, as far as I understand it, CE, here's how the logic goes:
"I fuck gringos for pay, but I fuck Joăo Carlos for love. He's a REAL man. i don't need to look at the "marriageable" qualities of Joăo because he's the man I LOVE. I wouldn't know what to do without him."
In other words, all the romantic tendencies they normally suppress 24/7 in order to beable to blow gringo john after john are allowed full reign with Joăo (or Maria, as the case may be) precisely because he could NEVER be a john.
"Girls(outside Help) who speak English are generally long term *****s, best avoided unless you know no Portuguese whatsoever."
There's a great flow between Help, the sidealk, the bars and even the pista. Given her situation, a girl might choose to work any one of these areas on a given night. So I really don't think there's much difference between the girls in Help and those outside. of it. The ones in it just had cash to spend that night and decided to risk a zero for a potential payback.
"If you think you have a real GF, ask to go to her families house. This tends to weed out a lot of the timewasters."
It's been my experience that many girls looking for a papai noel know this trick and are quick to use it to "prove" their sincerity. Be wary.
" Learn Portuguese, it has one advantage, you can understand what a girl is saying about you under your nose(you learn the truth very quickly that way)."
Best advice yet!
If you want to get a taste of some cutural happenings, there is a great African Exhibition going on in the Downtown Banco do Brasil branch. This includes a live theater performance by various groups (Entrance R$10 for the performance only). I think the exhibition runs up to Nov.2. This was a suggestion from our guide of the Sugarloaf tour and sure enough, we were not disappointed. And if you happened to get bored, 4 x 4 is just few streets down the road.
Bandy
Bandy: You are the man.
In case anyone has not taken Bandy's extremely well-written and thorough posts absolute seriously, let me say this: take his advice.
I read one of his earlier posts about Luomo, and having been to Centaurus about a year and a half ago on my first round through Rio, thought I would git it a chance. I scribbled his description of Marcella and Nicole on a piece of paper and showed up (see Bandy's earlier post on threesome at Luomo).
So I go to the bar, get a drink, turn around, survey the floor, and look for the tall morena with short hair. Oh, what's this, somebody with short hair not 10 feet from me walking across the floor? I ask if she is Marcella, she smiles, she is... helloooooo.
I swear it only took me 2 minutes and we were talking at the bar. Let me say, as a good monger, she is god damn beyond your wildest dreams. Beautiful, cute, smart, nice, need I say more? Very light brown hair, the finest you've ever run your hands through. Grandmother is Swiss, and she has such a pretty complexion. She is also fit, being a phys-ed major.
She ordered water. Good sign, nice girl. I stopped halfway through my beer, order a soda water, and we toasted to water. I gingerly brought up the threesome issue, mentioning that I had heard from a "friend of a friend" that Marcella was really nice, and had a friend... she sort of smiled, but I wasn't sure if she really wanted the threesome or not. Frankly, I was on the fence, since though I had never had a threesome, I really was dying to have quality time with Marcella.
To cut to the chase, I went for the threesome option. But here's where it got interesting. She sort of indicated that she wasn't into Nicole (though pointed her out) and told me to look at this other blond hanging out across the floor. She went over to talk to the blond. She was totally going for it, really begging, but it was clear there was some issue, so she gave up. She then took me out into the hallway, said she had someone else in mind, disappeared, and reappeard with another blond, all smiles. I forget her name, but she was fine, not the most gorgesous, but at this point I really just wanted Marcella, and the blond was a definitely attractive. I followed Marcella and friend to the cabine like a drooling, hungry dog.
So there we were, all three, standing in the small space in front of the huge bed. I'm rubbing Marcella's breasts through her silky robe, kissing her gently. She is kissing blondie's breast, I am kissing them both. Help me. I am really deep kissing Marcella, she gets down on the bed, puts a condom on me and begins sucking (CBJ is the only way fellas, take it from one who has seen the ugly side), then gets up, gets on her knees, and wants me to fuck her from behind. I'm doing it, playing with blondie, and it's beautiful. Out of nowhere, Marcella says she wants it up the back end, swabs on gel, and puts my cock into her tight ass. We are fucking beautifully. After some ubelievable grinding, we are almost flat on the bed. Marcella makes some noise, wants to turn over, and we disengage -- and it's then I see she has come all over the place, soaking the bed. Whew! She pulls of my condom, blondie puts one on, gets down on her knees, and makes me take her doggie style. At this point, I'm just god, so we fuck for awhile, then she wants to ride me. She does. I'm fucking her hard. She begins to make some crazy noises, and clearly is getting off. She comes. Marcella mounts again, we ride, then I am feeling like I really need to come, and lay her down missionary, hold on tight, and come like a goddam firehose. We are all sweaty, happy, and the bed is one unbelievalbe mess.
The next night, where would I be but Luomo? I get there, and there is my Marcella, waiting for me. We hit the bar, get our soda waters, and retire to the couch. We spent a really fun hour just cuddling and chatting, her running her hand over my chest and having fun grabbing my obviously engorged cock. The other girls that night were so great to watch, and we just had fun with it, me marvelling at the perfection of the Brazilian Ass. At some point, a black girl (forget her name), who is an old friend of Marcella's from 4 years ago when she first hit Rio, comes over, and she is also GORGEOUS. She totally wants a threesome, and I can see Marcella believes this girl is gorgeous. She says that this girl can eat her out and make her come in seconds. The girl is also palying with me. So we are just having great fun, I am fondling two unbeliebable girls, lounging, having a great time. But deep down, I'm getting the vibe that marcella might just want a one on one, and although I'm thinking I'm passing up the chance of a lifetime, I'm leaning toward going one on one.
I choose the one on one option. While Marcella is away arranging the room, I tell her friend that maybe next time we can all hook up -- she is really great, just not tonight. She is cool -- she gives me a quick kiss, and everthing's goovy.
Marcella and I fucked like crazy -- no ass adventures, just great sex all around. She is such a gorgeous girl.
Guys, if you ever find Marcella, treat her nice, and tell her her hair is gorgeous. I guess I'd prefer if you didn't mention me, because if I were her I'd think it was odd having this string of guys showing up with intimate knowledge of her previous flings. She is a quality girl, better by far that any of us short-time monger types really deserve.
My only regret is that when I pass through Rio on my way out Thursday, it is her day off. Damn. Am fighting off the temptation to go to Luomo anyway to see what's on.
In closing, cheers all around to Bandy, who has found a diamond in a vast field of diamonds, and pomise you will treat Marcella like a queen.
Happy adventures.
Macunaima. Truer words were never spoken.
It's so funny to watch the Help "piranhas" work these fools.
However, two can play that game, and with some luck and a little game one can pick up a piranha at Help for some good times, for little to NO cost, especially if her bills are already paid and she find you appealing physically.
To Catire and Macunaima,
I respect both of your posts/opinions. For a newbie like me that will be in Rio in 2 weeks, let me know what other places I can go and hook up with some non-professional locals. I'm a handsome black male in my early 30's and don't have to pay to play if you know what I mean. I'm not hating on those who do pay, I have paid in the past too. But if I don't have too, then cool. Please provide me with some other bars/clubs that I can frequent while over there.
Wanderer1000
10-29-03, 01:43
Macunaima -
Thank you for the great information. The information on women only scoring a guy on average every fourth night is enlightening. It's important to remember that a guy usually has more negotiating power than he thinks in places like Help and the surrounding area.
What do you know about the frequency that terma girls get it? Many guys say they see terma girls at Help, and one guy said the terma girls probably have 10 guys a shift at the termas.
You seem to imply that the girls in this profession are not hooking up with as many guys as many of us might normally believe.
Any insight on the real world of terma girls? Thanks.
I haven't checked out the termas as much yet, so I don't have as much to go on. I'd say the girls there have a much more regular cash flow than the ones at Help. Of course, as I mentioned below, the girls at Help often ARE the girls at the termas, too.
Help is a better deal for the women in some cases because they have a little more leeway on what they can do and the deals they can drive. However, there's that 15 to 25 real entrance fee and high drink prices to take into consideration... My theory (and its been pretty well backed up so far) is that a girl will risk Help only if she has her monthly bills already paid, has someone paying door for her, or she's got a gringo in her sites already. I think it'd be DAMN hard to pay one's bills on Help alone. Thus it's not really used by the truly desperate or by many girls "just looking to make ends meet".
There's also high and low season in Rio. Right now it's low season after months of rain and the girls are getting a wee bit desperate. The months before x-mas are always a pain, unless there's a big conference in town or the British frigate on guard in the Malvinas is paying one of its rare port visits.
However, you guys really don't have all that much bargaining power. Prices seem to vary but stay in bounds. Like I said above, a night at Help can easily run a girl around 50R. If all she wants to do is recoup her losses, she's much more likely to head out to the xepa on Prado Jr. than give you a big dscount. Despite what girls may tell you, most of them do NOT get their jollies out of spending time with you. They relax with friends and occasional lovers who are Brazilian and who speak their language.
The rule seems to be gringos pay 150-350, rarely less than that unless the woman really thinks you have "banana" stamped on your forehead. Brazilians pay 50-150. There are different scenes for different prices and a girl who undercuts her competition too often is liable to find that she's not very welcome in certain bars after a time. Or she just might find that someone has slipped ground glass into her blow, as apparently happened at a not-to-be-named bar some months back.
Originally posted by Macunaima
Bandy, re: "Reneta" (do you mean Renata?) it's a very interesting story. The only question I have is why you thought she was on drugs or irrational. She seems highly rational to me.
If you think she is "rational", you can keep her. I am mongering for a long time, and if this were part of "normal" behavior, the law of average would have caught up with me long time ago. This thing never happened to me before. When I hired her, we had an implied contract. If she does not deliver the service and try to sleep on the job, I have every right to refuse payment. I am in the medical field, and the tale-tale sign of drug use is the extreme mood swing. Profusely crying, screaming, jumping up on top of me asking to f**** and in an instant holding me tight and putting her face on my chest and rubbing it as well as crying, are all part of irrational behavior. Once my diagnosis was "drug use", I did not want to destroy her state of fragility by refusing money. The consequences could have been drastically unpleasant. These subjects, when revert back to state of sobriety, become extremely apologetic. This was further confirmed when the following night she looked for me and apologized profusely. If you think that she had conned me successfully and got the money without delivering service, then she would have avoided me like a plague. I could have posted her picture on WSG. I decided against it thinking that when sober, she still might have some redeeming value. Somebody might find her "normal" and have a good time. I didn't want to ruin her trade. One of my friends is going to Rio next week. He saw her picture. He is certainly going to stay away from her. As I said at the beginning of my report, entire content of the report is my personal opinion. Not necessarily everybody has to agree with me.
Bandy
Originally posted by Macunaima
...........Look at Bandy's "Taciana": now there's a girl who knows which side of the bread the butter ought to go! By playing into Bandy's GFE fantasy, she got him to pay for her twice in three days. 400R$ in 3 days is a nice piece of work on the orla, any way you cut it, and all for being pleasant and calling Bandy "honey" while she had sex with him........
What's your point? Would you have praised me for my extreme wit if I could have slept with her for free? A triumph for masculine race! If it was not Taciana, I would have spent that R$200 anyway for some other girl. You seem to be extremely bitter that garotas are making very good easy money and we idiots are paying for it. I never look for a free encounter, because in my book nothing is free. This is a business for both sides, and I always believe in amicable remuneration. I never offer them R$100 or R$300. If somebody is willing to spend 12 to 15 hours with me, I think R$200 is a very fair deal. From the tone of your report it occurs to me that you felt I was an easy prey and Taciana just hooked me with her charming "honey" salutation. My friend, did it ever occur to you that things might have been the other way around? It was I who was fortunate to have Taciana's company that night. In my personal view, mongering activity is a total fantasy. We take vacation, monger at our hearts content and at the end of our vacation, return to our "normal" life. The only reason I am paying a garota, is to provide me with that ultimate fantasy. They are not my girlfriends or my wife; they only exist at the state of illusion. Once the veil of fantasy disappeared, they are simply a piece of meat; I have no need for them. When I say I had the unforgettable experience, it only implies, that the state of fantasy had reached its pinnacle. Taciana provided me that experience better than anybody else did. I rather have a proven commodity at my hand than try different product and end up with another Reneta. So that night when Taciana drew my attention, it was I who was ecstatic with the idea that "tonight" I was secured. In this activity, it is very rare to find someone, who will truly fulfill your fantasy. Taciana, is a rare gem in this business. She didn't have to address me "honey". If she would have called me "hey you", I would have been equally melted. A good business deal is when both parties are happy at the end of the transaction. An air-tight business transaction is when you know beforehand the final outcome--a sure winner. Open your horizon my friend. You can criticize me as much as you want regarding my shortcoming in the intelligence department, but at the end of the day it is I who had the great time. Isn't that the sole purpose of exchanging information at this forum?
Bandy
Originally posted by JW in Rio
Bandy: You are the man.
In case anyone has not taken Bandy's extremely well-written and thorough posts absolute seriously, let me say this: take his advice....
Thanks JW. Now, only if you could convince Marcella to kick back 10% commission for my referral....
I am glad you had great time. She is really a great girl! Have fun all the way!
Bandy
Bandy says:
"I am in the medical field, and the tale-tale sign of drug use is the extreme mood swing."
All I can say is that without falling into the stereotype of "emotional and explosive latinos", Brazilians have been known to have occasional mood swings from time to time that gringos consider to be "extreme". Also, an illegitimate "mood swing" occurs when someone changes their emotional behavior for no good reason. Sounds to me like the phone call to "Reneta" was what set her off. We don't know what that call was about, but I'd be willing to bet it was a lot more serious than a roomate's key problem.
So, she's faking love and pleasure for you, get's a disturbing phone call, doesn't want to have sex anymore (understandable), then realizes that she doesn't have much of a choice if she wants her money, realizes she needs the money, tries to get back in the swing of things, fails and ends up exhausted, crying from being unable to meet the emotional demands of the double-bind she's been placed in.
Again, Bandy, one doesn't need drugs to explain that situation, just a bit of empathy and the realization that what for you is fun is to her a pretty shitty job.
Lord knows I'm certainly grumpy at work when I get bad news from home. And I don't have a boss who's threatening to not pay me if I don't give out service with a smile, either.
Knowing the pros on the orla, I'd say there's a good chance that "Reneta" does do coke, at least ocasionally. But unless you saw some other symptoms, it doesn't sound to me like her "mood swing" was drug induced.
"If she does not deliver the service and try to sleep on the job, I have every right to refuse payment."
Actually, neither of you have any "rights". Your entire contract is implicit, not written down. So both of you have the "right" to try to get away with what you think you can. That's what makes a situation like the one you describe so stressfull for everyone involved. If you had "rights", you could've simply called up management and complained and "Reneta" could've asked for the night off to take care of urgent personal business. This is one of the reasons why being a pro or a john sucks: no security net when bad stuff happens.
"These subjects, when revert back to state of sobriety, become extremely apologetic. This was further confirmed when the following night she looked for me and apologized profusely."
Let's try an alternative hypothesis on for size and see if it fits. Let's say she was just a normal girl caught in a bad psychological double-bind. Let's say she follows normal, culturally approved Brazilian patterns of cordiality. Wouldn't she also appologize to you the next time she sees you? I'd be more inclined to believe it was a drug-induced "surto" if she DIDN'T appologize to you.
"If you think that she had conned me successfully and got the money without delivering service, then she would have avoided me like a plague."
Could be she thinks that YOU were the one acting oddly, demanding sex when she was obviously in some degree of distress as if she could make her body preform on demand.
'Course, seeing as how almost all these women consider themselves "malandas" and you guys rich folks, it's not liable that she's going to return your money along with that apology. In her world view, you have and she doesn't so why shouldn't she take advantage of that fact, especially given the stress that (in her view) you put her through? In Brazil the "bom patrăo" is supposed to understand that these things happen from time to time and forgive his underling's pecadillos.
Again, my opinion is that she was acting pretty damn normally, given the situation and what you describe. I wasn't there, but unless you saw some other physical signs of drug use (dilated pupils, irrythmic breathing, etc.) I'd say you really don't have enough information to go on one way or another.
Regarding "Taciana" (Tatiana?)...
"What's your point? Would you have praised me for my extreme wit if I could have slept with her for free? A triumph for masculine race!"
My point is that it was a minor victory for Tá, given the rules of the market and the game she is playing. SHE got what SHE wanted so it's a triumph for her. That doesn't mean she "won" over "all men" or even over you: she got what she wanted out of it. So apparently did you. No biggie. She certainly knows how to keep her cash flow steady. This is bad or a "triumph for the feminine race" [sic]?
I'd say you would have to have a pretty good understanding of how the malandras work and be a pretty good malandro yourself in order to get a girl from Help to sleep with you twice for free, not pay her in other ways (i.e. expensive shopping trips, trips to great restrauts and/or nightclubs etc.) and cut off contact at the end of the fling exactly as if she were a prostitute and not someone with whom you have an implied reciprocal relationship. In that case, you'd be playing the role of what girls here call a "cafajeste". As for that being a "triumph for the gender", well, I don't know... If what you want to be is a cafajeste, if you were to consider that to be a personal triumph, then sure, sleeping with a lot of women without paying for it would definitely show a deft manipulation of the game's categories on your part and acquire you that rep in short order.
If you'd acquire a rep as a cafajeste, tarado or safado at Help, however, you'd soon find that the regulars wouldn't even approach you to get the time of day. Newbies would probably be told all about you behind your back in the Ladies room and you'd soon have to change your hunting grounds to somewhere else. And if girls DID agree to go with you after your being labeled a "cafajeste", it would be for cash on the barelhead, no bargaining at all. You'd be pretty quickly frozen out.
The girls here compare notes. They work, party and even live together, which is more than you guys can say. this gives them a competitive advantage which shouldn't be underestimated, especially when one takes into consideration the fact that they speak the language and you don't.
"Pode me chamar de cafajeste, Ô!
Eu sou...
Aquele que tem mas năo é.
Gente fina é outra coisa!"
"The only reason I am paying a garota, is to provide me with that ultimate fantasy."
That's why I think Tá's so cool: she's got your game sussed to a "T" and knows how to play it for her maximum advantage. Why you think this reflects negatively on you is beyond me. In my opinion, it only reflects positively on Tá. You got what you want, she got what she wants, so what's the beef?
My only point is that these girls know you mongers very well, but it doesn't seem to me - given most of what I've seen written here - that you guys know them at all. This means is that they have a competitive advantage. Guys who think that girls go to Help for fun and sex instead of cash are making bargaining decisions based on fantasy and not on the world as it is. The girls who go to Help know what your fantasy is all about and can make goodcash by giving it to you.
Look at how this resolves in the real world: "Reneta" gets trashed on this board and has her photo distributed to other guys. "Taciana" gets lauded to the skies and has her photo posted as a great girl to be on the lookout for. Who's probably going to get more custom from the fallout from your interaction, Tá or Rę?
"Open your horizon my friend. You can criticize me as much as you want regarding my shortcoming in the intelligence department, but at the end of the day it is I who had the great time. "
who's criticizing your intelligence? I don't AGREE with some of the remarks you posted. Surely you know that this isn't the same thing as calling you stupid.
It's interesting that you think it is, however...
"Isn't that the sole purpose of exchanging information at this forum?"
This forum has only one purpose? Not according to the disclaimer thread I read.
Hey. I'm giving you some fairly deep insight into how the minds of these girls really work. Because that doesn't seem to jibe with your fantasies of them, you're taking umbrage. But if you'd sit back and stop being so subjective, I'm sure you can put what I'm saying to use.
OttoGraham
10-29-03, 17:50
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Heya my fellow sporting brothers:
Check out my latest Fortaleza report for a little WTF?! communal feeling. I guess you can never be too sure even when you're the most careful that you can be.
Stay sharp guys,
JW
Don't mind Macumena, I know him and he loves to remind gringos how stupid they can be.
In any event, he is right about the girls at Help to an extent. I dated and had a serious relationship with a Brazilian girl who worked at Help and outside Help for over a year. I still think highly of her, but there things you need to know.
First, HELP may seem fun, but it's not brazilian. It's for gringo tastes.
Second, all the girls at Help have a very savy business mentality. If it gets them a boyfriend and into the US, all the better. You are seriously dealing with sharks. There is a fine line between having fun and dating a girl from there. Be very careful. My suggestion is that you just have fun and then go home. Don't get emotionally involved.
Is there really not anyone from the list in Rio right now, who would like to go out and hunt together or have a beer and exchange experiences?
Peter
Young & Restless
10-29-03, 23:54
Hi to all,
I will be headed to Rio at the end of November and wanted to find out what's the scene looking like these days. I've been to Rio a few times already, but I want to checkout a few places there that I might have missed. So far, I've been to Centaurus, Monte Carlos, Barbarellas and Help.
I want to checkout a few of the other termas and a couple of clubs with normal garotas. As far as termas go, I've heard that 4X4, L'uomo and Solarium are good (which other ones am I not mentioning here?), but I'd like to see how some of you that have been there recently rate them (1-10 would be cool). As far as clubs go, I've heard that Nuth is pretty good, but I don't know much about it. I saw one on TV called The Bedroom, but it looked like it had potential to be a major tourist trap. Which clubs are more targeted at gringos and which ones are targeted at locals, and just as important, what would you say the danger risk would be? I'm not too concerned about the girls not speaking English, I've completed Pimsleurs Portuguese III and talk on the phone with a girl that I met in Rio about twice a month (of course I cannot ask her these questions). I'd appreciate any feedback that anyone is willing to give!! I'll give a report on my findings when I return and gladly credit whoever's suggestion that I act upon. Thanks!!
Al Kikuras
10-30-03, 02:50
Macunaima it was nice to finally hear the "other side" of the often presented equation. Your post along with the one you referred to from CE balance out the board quite nicely.
But as someone who has lived in Rio for a very long time, and has friends amongst women of many classes -- you must have the special insight to recommend where the visiting tourist has the opportunity to meet many of the elusive "normal" carioca women.
We can almost all agree that HELP and the termas have been suficiently documented here - while success stories with "normal" carioca women have not. Simply providing the most current loop of clubs/bars of the adventuresome young women of Rio could, *possibly*, even spark the infrequent report of someone here hooking up with a local! ... That is assuming one was as good looking as Member #1310, and been practicing his portuguese as piously as Bizznich ;)
Yes, I completely agree that HELP is the dark mercenaries bunker, and any transactions that follow are just that - transactions. While personally I'm not looking for love, I'd prefer to take a stab at the 'normal' clubs too because I can only imagine Rio has more to offer.
Wanderer1000
10-30-03, 03:38
Hi Bandy -
Enjoyed your great posts - thanks for the time and effort. I sat across from you at Jackson's dinner in Puerto Madero in mid/late June when you were with a beautiful yet quiet chica. Your comments that evening along with following your posts indicate to me that you have the right attitude in approaching the mongering world. I appreciate the GFE a lot, but I always keep the focus on the word "experience" - you're paying for a good performer and the fantasy you can create with her. Getting confused seems to be where so many guys get into trouble.
Macunaima hit you a little too hard in his posts, but I think he helped you clarify some important points that most of us should keep in mind when we're in the trenches out there. Most forums seem to have guys that come on now and then as "experts" in a particular city or region, but some of them, unfortunately, do it with hints of condescension. I think a guy on the ground like Macunaima can add a lot to this forum if he would resist the temptation to take smacks at short-time visitors in the process.
I loved my fantasy in Rio this summer, and I plan to get lost in the fantasyworld of Rio again soon. :)
One thing about Help that is attractive to us Gringos is that it is convenient and easily accessible. Gringos like things that are easy (women included). That is why McDonald’s and microwave food is so popular in the States. If one had enough time to explore Rio (more than the one or two week vacation period that most vacationers get) then, for sure, we would find all the best spots where the locals pick up babes. Help offers gringos a place to go where it is easy to get laid, relatively cheap, and a little like bars in the homeland, and, in my opinion, a perfect place to hang out and get a little R&R. From what I have read, and I am not sure that this is true, "regular" Brazilian women would feel stigmatized hanging with a foreigner. Other Brazilians would see her as a *****. This doesn't bode well for a traveler and the "normal" Brazilian conquest. I did notice though that when I traveled outside of the monger scene ie...Sugarloaf, Corcovado, etc...I found women who would give me VERY strong signals who certainly did not appear to be pros. The best advice I would give to any first timer in Rio would be to try everything and explore. Rio is a truly wonderful city. Just make sure to leave time for the Termas and the nightly homage to Help as I am sure it is where you'll eventually end up.
Long John 200
10-30-03, 06:04
Hi, I will going to Rio for a couple of days in November and most likely will be staying at the Rio Ross hotel. I have a couple of questions about Rio.
How hard is it to find a girl that speaks english ?
What is the going rate for a night with someone from the Help disco ?
Thanks.
Hi Jak,
Thanks. I think I remember you. That night in the "Happening", we all had a great time. Roxana tried to arrange another trip to El Tigre, but it fell through. When are you going back to BsAs?
As you have elluded, successful mongering is an art. I always try to remind everybody, that it is a dangerous game we are playing and a very thin line separates fantasy from reality. So as it is reminded in the horse racing: "bet with your head, not over it".
Happy mongering!
Bandy
Alkikuras and Bizznich
About regulars clubs with 99% cariocas and no hookers, they are countless in Rio : Cutting Edge and TomB already listed some of the better spots (included Lapa on Friday nights) ;
I could add the places where i've been in September, which are fun and friendly spots to visit (snobish discos like Nuth or Bedroom are not my idea of fun places, and IMO the pathetic Help also doesn't enter in this category !! ) ;
Ballroom on Rua Humaita (Botafogo) is a well known and friendly live music venue (one different band every day) and is always packed with a 25/30's crowd ; many girls there, real eye candy place and anyway one of the best venue for live Brasilian music ;
Symbol in centro has the most well known party for singles on Wednesday nights : 'Noite dos solteiros' (open early, around 8pm) with many but really many regulars girls : packed to the walls, a great place to 'paquerar' (flirting/charming) : you'll be the only foreigner there !!
Arco de Teles in Centro (in fact, the little walking streets behind the Arcos from Praca XV) has countless live music venues like Dito & Feito which is THE best place place for 'Happy hour', girls out of offices go there to overdrink and have fun in a simple atmosphere, with tables and chairs in small paved walkings streets, very cool (from 6pm till 10pm) : packed everyday :)
The 'Cobals' (outdoors cafe/terasses complexes with life music )are very populars among a 20/35's crowd : the Cobal in Botafogo has maybe 15 or 20 spots to eat or drink, the promixity of the tables added with cheap drinks and really nice atmosphere make the contacts quite easy ;
There's tons of others good and often packed venues for middle class Cariocas in Leblon, Ipanema, Gavea, Jardim Botanico, Lapa, Santa Teresa and even Niteroi (like the disco 'Touché', where girls are far less snobish than in Rio and as beautifuls, just a bridge to cross ! ) .... could some of the Help's punters be adventurous enough to make a few miles out of Copacabana :) ? ;
Anyway others fellows on the WSG familiars with nightlife in Rio will surely complete the list of the regular spots where scoring is possible with some work .... any new idea is welcome !!!
Cheers
Pro
I'm heading to Rio mid January for 10 days. I was there back in Early Sep and decided to go back again. What's the going rate on one bedroom apartments in Copacabana? What's the weather like then?
Also, I read before but can't find it again a report on what to do (tourist type of stuff) in and around Rio like going to Sugarloaf mountain and The Cristo Redentor. This post had how to get to places by bus and which buses to take. Any other suggestions?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Snooky...
Unifun, I love your logic: "Don't listen to Macuniama! He's right!"
As for "slapping" Bandy, that was really not my intent and I hope he realizes that. I guess there's just no easy way to say "I think you're wrong" and not have it taken as a personal cut.
RE: meeting, dating and bedding "normal" girls.
In my experience, it boils down to two things...
1) Carioca women can have sex whenever they want to. they aren't desperate.
2) You're not going to be around, long term, so you're what is called a "passante" here. The rule here is that women do not "dá p'rum passante".
Every woman I know has made exceptions to that rule, however. Usually, they don't do it because the guy is good looking: they do it because they find him "interesting". What you want to do is be that exception. What you need to craft, then, is an image of yourself in her mind that is exceptional. You thus want to get as far away as possible from the "stereotypical gringo", because stereotypical gringos are not interesting: they are, in fact, laughable.
Here's some tips:
1) Learn Portuguese. THE NUMBER ONE RULE! In fact, it's a given that your access to non-mercenary women is in direct proportion to your fluency in Portuguese.
2) Do NOT go on and on about how much money you make and how professionally respected you are at your job. If she asks, let her know what you do, drop a hint that you are financially stable and then say "But enough about me. What about you?"
3) Idem, do NOT ramble on about your home town or country. Mention it, drop it, and say "But I'd really like to learn more about Brazil. This is an amazing country? Where have you gone? What do you think I should see?"
4) A correlary to the two above: most women are NOT impressed with the fact that you are a gringo. In fact, it might even be a strike against you to some, particularly the more interesting, less mercenary ones.
5) Learn about the culture. Read a couple of Brazilian books and see a few Brazilian films so you have something to discuss with these women that doesn't salient the fact that you are a gringo. Brazilian history is also good, too. Theater is a BIGGIE! Learn about the Brazilian theater and you'll have Patricinha's eating out of your hand in short order.
6) Sympathize with antiamericanism, whatever your personal beliefs might be. Learn to say "Yeah, I hate Bush too".
7) Brazilian music is a great icebreaker, but for god's sake, realize that there's more to it than forró, samba and Gilberto Gil. If you are going to try to talk about samba, have the good grace to read a book or to about it first. Study is key. If guys spent half as much time learning Portuguese or reading decent (non-travel orientated) books about Brazil as they do surfing places like this, they wouldn't HAVE to pay for sex.
8) Do NOT cut the girls out of the conversation when your English-speaking friends show up.
9) If you DO buy them gifts, buy them little romantic things like roses.
10) Ask them to take you around and show an interest in some of the more obscure cultural sites in town as well as Sugar Loaf and the Mangueira samba school. Check out the imperial palace, Café Colombo, or the National Musuem. In fact, ask her to accompany you as a guide around town, say you'll pay for her meals as a "salary", then breakfast at Colombo and/or lunch or happy hour at the palace, followed by sunset on Sugar Loaf and - maybe, if she's up for it - a visit to the Northeasterner fair at night?
Whatever. There's shitloads to do in Rio. Let HER suggest something to you and play the guide. Show you are interested in her town and life and not just in the well-known tourist sites.
Arco da Teles has already been mentioned. Try Uruguaina or the Northeastern fair for a more popular scene.
Lapa has recently been closed down by the Mayor's office. No more Lapa until firther notice. However, the bar scene is still popping around Lavradio: check out Rio Scenarium for a night out that's sure to please almost any girl. Or, if you really want to wow her, casually suggest dinner at the Cais do Oriente and pick up the (100R$+) bill like it was no big deal at all.
That might be better for a second date, though. Make the first one something cheap and cheerful.
Rule of the thumb in Rio is that you rarely get sex on the first date and rarely don't get it on the second. If you haven't gotten laid by the third, something is very wrong.
Also remember that most women here are experts at fending off overly pushy suitors. You want to be laid back, but keep the pressure subtly on. It's a hard trick to pull off and most gringos who try to do it sort of end up looking like polar bears dancing the samba: it's amazing that it can be done, but it isn't what you'd call pretty.
Finally, remember that Brazilians of both sexes and all ages DO love to flirt. Just because someone is flirting with you does not mean that they are ready to jump in bed with you. A flirt is usually an indication that you are allowed to try a come-on, not a signal that the game is already almost won.
In Brazil, we do not "hit on" or "come on to" women: we "sing" them. Think about it.
Pro:
i return to paradise next thursday. i had planned to check out the Niteroi nightlife on my last trip, but was unable to swing it. gonna try again this trip.
have you heard of a club/disco called Noite in centro?
Chingon , sorry never heard of 'Noite', but i beleive it could be the famous Wesnesday party 'Noites de Solteiros' (singles nights) in Symbol ;
There's a disco named 'Night and day' in centro too, av Rio Branco i guess, but never experienced ;
Niteroi is VERY 'in' for the moment and really worth a visit for a good nightlife : if you go, try 'Touché', 'Ciao Martins', 'Piratas Café' or 'Le Village' : no hookers there, but maybe in the crowd few Thermas or Help girls 'off duty' :), at least for those who have the (chance ?) to live in Niteroi and not in Duque de Caxias !!
Cheers
al, lake hit it on the head.
what makes rio such a great place for the so called "monger" also makes it very very very difficult to get and pick up a normal girl. it's not impossible, it's just very difficult.
why?
easy - because everyone will assume she is a ho. and no girl wants others to assume this because she is with you.
you better be a decent speaker of portuguese and you better be a younger and good looking guy to escape this stigma. then, you can possibly escape the scrutiny that everyone will put you thru.
but, if, as is most common, you are older, and the girl younger, darker,
fuhget about it!
you have to get out of rio and make a conscious effort to be as unmonger like in dress, speech, manners, etc as possible.
niteroi could actually work. but you better know the language!
Copa apt's can be found for us$40-70 per night. I believe the links section has the places for booking - Blame it on Rio, GrongoMgmt, EZrentals...
Pro,
What's involved in getting from Copa or Ipa to Niteroi? Is it easy? How much for taxi, and how long a ride? What about the bus (van?) system they have?
Thx!
Cutting Edge
11-01-03, 02:50
Minivans run along NS Copacabana during the day and pass over the causeway to get to Niteroi. However, I generally take a bus(e.g.474) from Copa to Praca XV (praca quinze in Centro), then take the ferry over to Niteroi. These run all night(I seem to remember every 30mins throughout the night).
Somebody mentioned 'Noite', maybe you misheard, it could either be 'noite e dia' in Centro (very near to Cinelandia metro station on Rio Branco or they could have said Nuth (pronounced 'Nooch')which is in Barra. On a Friday evening the bars are packed solid in the area between Praca XV and Rio Branco from 5pm onwards, definately worth a look(edit - Pros already mentioned these).
Regarding Nuth, very snobby and the chicks are fat and ugly from what I saw. Totally overrated as is Baronette in Ipanema.(both have psuedo hookers in attendance).
Charm City Dave
11-01-03, 03:22
Perhaps a little off topic. For those that do go to Rio and are distressed by all the children on the street, consider a contribution to Task Brasil Trust. Giving money to kids on the street does not help them as often the money goes for drugs or to adults who run them. So perhaps giving them money only hurts them. However this group tried to get them off the street. URL is
http://www.taskbrasil.org.uk/
When I used to go to Brazil (before I got held up at gunpoint) I would always send them $50 before I went. Made me feel better about all the money I was spending getting my pipes cleaned while watching all that misery around me.
For my personal safety I have decided to take Rio off my list of destinations. Though I admit it is a tough place to stay away from.
Yada Yada Yada
Originally posted by Macunaima
......I'd say you would have to have a pretty good understanding of how the malandras work and be a pretty good malandro yourself in order to get a girl from Help to sleep with you twice for free,.......
Who was trying to sleep with these girls for free? “A triumph for masculine race!” was a sarcastic comment about the guys who are looking for free sex. No wonder you completely missed the idea. If you cared to read two lines further down, you would have noticed that I clearly said that I don’t look for free encounter. I have been offered many times free sex, but I always paid. I never let them forget that I am a customer and they are service provider. I always keep the encounter on a business level. So your entire discussion about “cafajeste” is totally misplaced.
My only point is that these girls know you mongers very well, but it doesn't seem to me - given most of what I've seen written here - that you guys know them at all. This means is that they have a competitive advantage. Guys who think that girls go to Help for fun and sex instead of cash are making bargaining decisions based on fantasy and not on the world as it is. The girls who go to Help know what your fantasy is all about and can make goodcash by giving it to you.
This entire paragraph is total non-sense. If the guys who go to Help don’t know that the girls there are after making money, then they should have their head examined. You don’t need a degree in Psychology to know them well, all you need is some skill in the art of negotiation. And again the same recurring theme: “The girls who go to Help know what your fantasy is all about and can make good cash by giving it to you”. What’s wrong with that? That’s exactly what I am after. Unfortunately, not every girl can deliver the goods when the time counts.
Look at how this resolves in the real world: "Reneta" gets trashed on this board and has her photo distributed to other guys. "Taciana" gets lauded to the skies and has her photo posted as a great girl to be on the lookout for. Who's probably going to get more custom from the fallout from your interaction, Tá or Rę?
In real “real world”, Taciana will be selected as the “employee of the year” and will earn a fat bonus for her unparalleled performance. On the other hand, Reneta will be fired on spot.
This forum has only one purpose? Not according to the disclaimer thread I read.
This one you have earned. You got me on technicality. Good job!
Hey. I'm giving you some fairly deep insight into how the minds of these girls really work. Because that doesn't seem to jibe with your fantasies of them, you're taking umbrage. But if you'd sit back and stop being so subjective, I'm sure you can put what I'm saying to use.
Another bragging job. There is a saying that even God has no idea about how a female mind works and you are simply a mere mortal male! I just spent four nights with a young Brazilian girl from Help talking a lot about her business. She is a straight shooter and I got some idea “how these girls operate”. I really have no use of your insight to put to test. So far, I am doing quite well on my own. Thank you!
Now, let me review the two fundamental points that started this controversy:
1. With your vast knowledge about the pros in the orla, you inferred that “Reneta’s” behavior was pretty normal; I don’t. Let’s agree to disagree.
2. Being pleasant and playing into my fantasy, Taciana made me take her two nights and in the process earned good money. I am pulling my hair to find fault with either one of us. Does anyone expect that the garota he is interested will be unpleasant and obnoxious? I am not a gullible idiot and Taciana was not a con artist. She delivered an impeccable service and in the process got paid a fair amount. What’s wrong with that? The main reason they are working in Help is to earn money.
Now I praised her in an open forum and trashed Reneta. In my view, trip reports must include these specifics. If Taciana earn more money because of my report (I doubt it, she is actually from Sao Paulo), more power to her. Look at my report on Marcella of termas L’uomo. Another monger, JW in Rio, found her equally, if not more, appealing. We don’t live in these countries; we are just a short time tourist. With my report, JW saved valuable time and went directly for a superstar. In the process, I felt ecstatic, that I could help a fellow monger. If my report helps Marcella to earn more money, what’s wrong with that? In Costa Rica, “Wanda”, a provider in New Fantasy massage parlor, became so popular through our trip reports, that she decided to retire. She entered in a business hoping to make money and she became wildly successful. I don’t see anything wrong with that. In Buenos Aires board, we are constantly exchanging notes about establishments, escorts, club girls and their performances. In the vast world of working chicas, we got to weed out, as much as possible, the weak and non-performers. These trip reports help us enormously to pre-identify some superstars, saving lots of time and money. This is not the only way, but its sure hell lot better than playing the game blindfolded.
Bandy
Gentlemen:
now that we finally :) know that the girls in Help only want your money and that you (OK: we) guys only want to fuxx them, maybe we can finally come back to discuss more interesting issues here again.
I'll be in Rio a week after carneval 2004 and found previous posts regarding neighboring Niteroi quite interesting. I've been there by day once but the place looked too nice to have an interesting nightlife, or am I wrong? Aside from the discos and other 'regular' nightclub already mentioned, who can make recommendations regarding boites, termas, SWs etc. in Niteroi?
Amor,
Charly Charlinski
Well Bandy,
Like I said, I don't consider the bargaining process between you and Tatiana to be one in which party inevitably loses and the other wins. So I'm a bit confused as to why you think I'm putting you down or calling Ta a con artist.
BTW, I wrote a long post on how to pick up non-pros in Rio. It didn't seem like there was anything censorable in it to me, yet it hasn't appeared here.
Sup? Did it get lost somehow?
God understanding females.
Bandy said:
There is a saying that even God has no idea about how a female mind works and you are simply a mere mortal male!
There is the story of a guy walking along the beach a bit frustrated with life. So he yells out to God, "Just one wish, that's all, just one." The sky darkens, thunder rolls, and God's voice comes booming out of the sky: "Ok Son, you have earned it. What would you like."
The man says, "I would like you to build me a bridge from this beach to Hawaii. I want to be able to go as fast as I want, whenever I want, and put in some electronic guidance so I can relax while I am travelling."
God says, "I can do that, but isn't that a bit materialistic? How about something a bit more basic, something that would help you, and at the same time, honor me."
The man thought about it for a while, and made his request: "Ok, that beautiful creation of yours, the woman. I want to understand her completely. I want to know what she is thinking, what it means when she gives me the silent treatment, why she is so moody around her period, what makes her tick."
God replies, "Do you want 2 lanes or 4 lanes on that bridge?" :)
Moondog
Night Crawler
11-01-03, 17:16
Hi Guys
I've been in Rio for a week now and it´s exceeded my expectations in every way.
I have a bit of a problem though. I'm sharing my apartment with another guy and for reasons I need not go into here this makes it impossible to bring home any women for a good time. I'm guessing that my options are the Thermas. I'm staying in Copacabana so L'oumo is pretty close and I guess I could try that option. Does anyone know what fees they have? Cause there is no such info on their homepage.
If I wanted to cal an outcall girl, are there any cheap but good motels close to Copacabana or something like that one could check into for just a few hours?
Then I have another question. What places to go to in the Ipanema/Copacabana areas where one can meet regular local girls (not like HELP)? We tryed one place in ipanema but they have a covercharge of 50 Reales just to get in. How do regular Cariocas afford that? And how does the cover-charge work? Do you get to spend that amount in the bar or is it just an entry fee?
What about the stripjoints on the Princess Isabell Av. like Frank´s and Ciccolina. Are they any good? Can you buy sex there? I'm asking just cause I need to know if I can bring my roomie or not, he can´t handle it if they get to close.
I would be grateful for any information you could provide me. Thanx for some Great posts by the way. Oh if anyone is in Rio right now and wants to meet for a brooskie to exchange stories please let me know;
Sincerely Yours
N
Cutting Edge
11-01-03, 17:56
going back in history, thousands or millions of years you come across several things that are still around today. all three are predators, they have exceptional hunting skills and highly adapted to locating their prey.
namely;
sharks, crocodiles and prostitutes.
generally, as maca suggested, the majority of guys don't have clue about what makes the girls tick in and around help. many of these guys will strike you as socially inept and with all the will in the world couldn't get a nonpro girl. on occasion you will meet some unattractive old fat man sat with a young girl 40 years his junior. he will then tell you how she loves him and doesn't want his money blah blah. guys like this are common, how can they believe what they say? no disrespect to them, we will all be old someday and i expect their peers are back home playing bingo and sitting home in front of the log fire. but when i'm that age, i'll realise when a girl is playing me for a fool.
maca does stereotype the gringos, but not all guys fall into this category. however, i've seen many good guys give a girl 'the benefit of the doubt' on too many occasions.
infact, most of what maca has said it quite correct, i would disagree in a few respects. in particular renata that bandy encountered. there are some crazy, coked up girls there, with experience you can spot them a mile off. i have heard of other guys were the girl will start breaking things in the room or fighting with the guy. one funny story was about a big black american guy staying at the rr. in the morning when he got his money out to pay her, she grabbed his wad of cash out of his hand as he started to count out her r200 or whatever. she tried to make it to the door but he grabbed the little thing, she then turned and bit a chunk of flesh out of his lower arm!!
in summary, reread the first paragraph and wonder why those three predators ahve survived for so long.
good luck guys
ce
Young & Restless
11-01-03, 19:50
Hi everyone,
I wanted to wait a few days and give everybody a chance to respond to my post.
Pro - thanks for the list of clubs! While I am there, I will checkout at least one of them and give you my personnel assessment on the place.
Al Kikuras - "piously" practicing my Portuguese?!?!? Ouch!! ... Give me a break!! Even after completing Pimsleurs Portuguese III, I still have a very hard time speaking Portuguese. I've even debated on claiming that I do not speak any Portuguese while I am in Brazil this November (in the termas anyway).
My last request is to rate these termas. I know that termas have been the heart of discussion time and time again, but if those of you who have been there recently feel up to rating these on a scale of 1 -10, please do so (and also let me know of ANY good ones that I am not mentioning!!!):
Centaurus
Monte Carlos
4X4
L'uomo
Solarium
Barbarellas (I know this is not a terma, but how's the scene there these days?)
Thanks for everyone's input!! I'll follow-up again when I return in December!!
Macunaima:
can you provide additional info on Rio Scenarium, i.e. where /what is it?
also where is this northeasterner fair? on one of my previous trips i was taken to a fair. it was under a highway, lots of bands, cheap food and drink. there were also little stands, with stuff for sale. it felt like a flea market. it started at night and went on til sunrise. this happens every weekend i was told.
i arrive in 5 days. :-)
thanks Macunaima
Nightcrawler:
do a search on this board, the answers to your questions are there. but generally speaking for R250 a very good time can be had in any termas. and thats over several hours. also you pay as you exit.
regarding the strip clubs:
most of the girls are available for take out. there is a bar fine to take them out. you'll also have to negotiate the fee with the girl. if you can't take them home there are many love motels. only 6-8 hrs stays though. (check the rio yellow pages) and yes, the strippers will come up to you in the club to see if you would like some company.
as far as i know, only Holiday Club has back rooms. However, the strippers are not the best looking girls in rio. Holiday Club is above Balcony American Bar on Av. Atlantica.
no malice intended, but your uptight friend is gonna cost you money and spoil your fun. i'd ditch him (her?); and go have the time of your life.
how long you in Rio? i arrive thursday morning, with my hip friend. :-)
Bizznich et al,
I made extensive use of Centaurus, L'uomo and 4x4 during my september trip.
My favorite is still Centaurus. Upon entry you pay R290 for entrance and a 40 minute program in a normal room. I can confirm previous reports about the reception guy being a complete idiot. Otherwise the staff is very nice including the older lady who runs the girls. It is more expensive than the others, but i think the average quality of the women is higher.
Once you have paid there is the standard locker room and shower room routine after which you move upstairs to the main room. I went approximately on 8 nights on my last trip and never had any problems finding a very attractive girl or two.
There is usually between 50 and 80 girls around. A few really good lookers, a lot of girls who are not 10's but whom i would still definetely have sex with and a few girls ( less than 20% ) whom i would not have sex with.
The sex varied from above average to the fuck of my life, and no real disappointments. All provided BBBJ without me asking for it in advance. Some girls will try to up-sell you to go for a threesome, which is expensive but also highly highly highly recommended - i can not say enough good things about having two gorgeous brasilieras giving a BBBJ jointly.
Some days a few of the girls will perform stripshow and some days there is live music. But the best night was one of those slow nights with only a few clients were the girls and I held our own party with the girls singing, dancing and .....
Rooms are the best I saw in Rio both in terms of size, cleanliness and overall feel. On busy nights there can be a waiting period to get a room, if this is the case you can grap a bed in the "relax room" with your girl(s) and get some more foreplay.
L'uomo scores a solid 2nd for me. Same basic setup, but it is all play before you pay. A 40 minute program in a normal room was R150 as far as i can recall.
I think there was 30 to 50 girls there. Some really good ones, a somewhat narrower middlegroup and quite a few girls i would not have sex with. Having said that on both my visits i had really good sex with a number of really good-looking girls. Again BBBJ were no problem and I also had some great threesomes.
Rooms varied quite a lot, with some rooms being extremely small.
They have a few stripshows during the evening, but for some reason the turn down the lights so you can hard see anything. Besides i often had someone else in my face during the shows.
4x4 was a bit disappointing. The same basic setup with postpay. Rooms and facilities ok, but small. There is also a resturant/bar in the building. A 40 minute program is R130 i think.
The first time I went there was on the day I arrived and I had two very good threesome. The sex was excellent, but once the light got a bit better afterwards i saw that the some of the girls I had had were not up to my normal minimum requirements.
There are very few good looking women there, some in the middle and in my opinion many dogs in 4x4.
On my second visit i looked through the main room and had a drink while waiting to see if someone interesting would turn up. But I decided to leave for another terma rather than settle for what was available.
I only used these three termas as I pretty much decided after a while just to go to Centaurus as I had my hands more than full there.
I paid with credit cards at all places and had no problems. Remember to check your bills before you pay. I had a few examples of small mistakes, which I think were actually honest mistakes.
Please be good to the girls and remember to offer them a drink. The food and drink prices are very reasonable. I payed some food and drinks for some girls I did not have sex with that day. But the next time I was there and wanted to enjoy their company I got the royal treatment. Same thing happens if you choose the same girl two days in a row I discovered at centaurus.
Enjoy Rio.
Junior
Night Crawler
11-01-03, 21:35
Chingon,
I'll be staying in Rio until mid December. I'm staying in Copacabana, close to Ipanema so I'll be here for a while. Let me know if you want to meet for a brooskie and I'll try and "Get away".
Please contact me a private message via the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system.
Thanx for the info also.
Take Care and I look forward to seeing you.
N
Carlos Primeros
11-01-03, 21:51
Practical Advise:
I had been for my X-time in Rio. Enjoyed it and went off to Bunos Aires to have a comparison:
I stayed from 8 October to 20 October in Rio and then left for Buenos Aires.
For many years I have loved and f**k the grils in Rio. That is what I really want - a Mulatta! But I made also a new experience!
The women in Rio are wild, good, sexy and very very lovable. The women in Buenos Aires are more sophisticated. So - what do you want? A walk on the wild side?
I had good and bad experiences in Buenos Aires (see my posting under Argentina) but I had far better experiences in Rio! (Even Rio is much much more dangerous)
If you want to monger, go to the termas - everything is written about them. If you want to make a GFE - go to the Copcabana Beach. I have met the very very best girls there.
If you want to meet sophisticated girls, live in a posh enviroment and have fun with the A.M.A. - go to Buenos Aires!
Here is my report:
Arrived on 8 October in the morning from Lisbon - at 10.00 a.m. I went to Posto 5 to meet my friend Fiscal. He is the one who rents out umbrellas and sun-chairs. A lot of pimps are hanging there around - like this fat jerk Fernando.
I overheard a conversation of his with an american guy - the american asked to translate to a massagista at the beach - how much a massage of 30 minutes is on the beach . He translated the question correct and when she answered that 30 minutes of massage is 30 Reais - he translated "40 Reais". He also got the same guy a Pepsi for 5 Reais - whereas a Pepsi is there for 2 Reais. So - imagine what he will do with the prices of Chicas?
I have noticed that the average American which does not speak Portuguese - is taken for a big ride!
Anyhow - on 8 October my old GF Diana suddenly turned up. She lives in Nova Igauzo - approx. 40 km away from Rio but I suspect that Fiscal called her. Anyhow - we had a good time. Diana is no a pro but if she is short of money she works for a day or two per month. ( I will post a photo later)
On 10 October she had to go back to work and I was a "widower" - for approx. 4 hours. A girl in 4x4 consoled me - all in all I paid 200 Reais - it was worth every penny.
On 11 I met my old GF Carla - I was once (one year ago) with her in Buzios for a week. She told me that a black American wants to marry here but inbetween I am ok to stay with her. I did her a favour and called the American consulate as this "Gentleman" claimed to have her papers processed to get an immigration visa for her - it took 5 minutes (american efficiency) to establish that this gentlman was only bullsh**ing around and nothing was done. Anyhow - she overcame he disappointment relatively fast and again I had to console a lady. (Did I volunteer????? - For sure)
I stayed with Carla until 16 October - she acutally did not mind the introduce me to some of her Girlfriends and on two evenings we made a threesome. On 17 October my friend Fiscal came by at my place with two hotties and we had a feast for a couple of hours. Both did not object to a d.p.
I picked up several girls from Balcony - which is at the Av. Atlantico - just 3 blocks down from MABs. Meanwhile MABs is dead like a rotten fish. At Balcony there are a lot of let us say "darker" girls. If you are into this - this is ok. It happened to me now the third time that I was bothered there by some really drunken girls. That is certainly not what I like.
At my last evening I went to Terma Rosario 69 - unfortunately I met there a girl I once loved very much and this is not the basis for mongering in a Terma. I once hurt her feelings very much and also my feelings had been hurt. So I left for good and the next day I left Rio for Salvador de Bahia.
In Salvador at the Cantina de Lua at Praca de Se the wh**res had a competition of the worst-looking girls. I went to Cascinha de Siri - picked up a stunner and had a very very good night with her. (200 Reais) Looks: 8, bed 9!!!!! The next day I had some dental works done there (I usually have all my dental works done in Brasil - a complete tooth implant there is 400 $ vs. 2.400 $) but luckily I do not need an implant to F**K. I did several girls from 50 for a short-time to 200 for TLN. I made the experience that the semi-pros are the very best. They are not hardend - they show you affection and simpathy. In my carrer of 20 years of a monger (and meanwhile also a proud member of the A.M.A.=Argentinan Mongers Association) I made the experience that the girls from Brazil are the best. Treat them well and they give you really everything you are looking for.
One thing I must also voice what I do not like at the Forum - that is "how cheap can I get a Girl" - Remember - they do this for a living and you get what you pay for. I certainly want not be be taken for a ride but in general - the Brazilian girls are asking only for the money later and are really willing to provide an excellent service.
Treat them well - they deserve it!
Carlos Primeros
Long John 200
11-01-03, 22:14
I will be in Rio from Nov 7 -9. If there is anyone that would like to meet up for a couple of beers. To exchange info or go to the local clubs.
Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system.
Junior,
It's amazing! If you go through my recent report on termas, your rating of those termas exactly matches mine.
I must say, the shows in 4 x4 , were extraordinary. These were full nude spread shows, including real lesbian actions, by multiple beautiful dancers in several shifts. The shows lasted more than half an hour.
I believe, credit card is accepted in all of them, except in Monte Carlo, where you must pay the girls' money (usually R$100) by cash.
Moondog,
Great story! I know something similar, but yours is better.
Macunaima,
I am sure your intentions are honorable. You and Cutting Edge are trying to help with your insight a certain sector of people in which I don't belong. If you lost a post, you should send Jackson an e-mail about it. May be he is still reviewing the post. I hope you kept a copy of the report on your hard drive.
Happy mongering!
Bandy
JUnior.
Any thoughts on paying a higher price at Centaurus than a normal brazilian male pays?
No feelings about the gringo surtax?
(no other terma in town has this kind of crap which is why I will never enter Centaurus unless I get the brazillian rate)
People should keep in mind that before the onslaught of idiot Americans into town in the last couple of years, the termas were (and to some extent are) are a LOCAL institution.
(which is one reason terma prices for the most part have not become dollarized, unlike the Help girls, etc)
Catire,
As I recall the tourist tax is R20 or about $7. I do agree with you that the tourist tax is annoying and that we mongers should in principle work against such discrimination.
However in real life my lust for the beautiful women at Centaurus makes me compromise on my principles. When I travel half way around the world to have a week of fantastic sex I will not settle for anything less than the best just because the place has stupid policies.
With regards to your "stupid americans" comment. I am european, not american. We europeans and americans do drive up prices, but this is much more true at Help and similar places were prices are negotiated on a deal by deal basis. The terma fixed price system actually works in our favor.
One thing I find missing at the termas though, is a frequently fucker program - just like a frequently flier program at the airline companies. That would be so cool.
Junior
Well, my missing report finally popped on a page back. Anyone who hasn't seen it can look for it there.
Rio Scenarium can be found at the far end of R. Lavradio. It's now been expanded to 3 floors and the top floor is a reconstruction of a 19th pharmacy. It is a very happening and interesting place.
As for the Northeasterner fair, yes Chingon, you went to it. It has now been moved into the ruined stadium that was near those overpasses. Much nicer, but there are still not enough bathrooms, which is a problem for women. In the old overpass venue, they could always pick a shadowy corner and squat. Now, there's too much light and they either have to wait in a loooooong line or go outside. Hopefully, this problem will soon be resolved by porta-potties or something.
This fair runs pretty much 24 hours all weekend, every weekend. Sunday morning they uaually have story telling and theater as well.
The fair can be found in Săo Cristovăo. It's a bit of a rough neighborhood - the independent girls who can't get a slot at Vila Mimosa streetwalk a few blocks away near the National Museum (also a worthy sight to see), so if you're really feeling cheap and adventurous (and don't value your life that much) you can take a stroll over there. The rest of you are advised to arrive and leave by cab... ;-)
Cutting Edge
11-02-03, 14:25
Junior, when the R$ weakened to 4:1 to the dollar last year, the termas quickly put up their prices (Centaurus went from 235R$--->290R$ overnight). In all centaurus is a bag of shite, the rude behaviour of the reception staff and hard core attitude of many of the girls would never make me visit again.
You asked about an FF program, well Rio Antigo down in centro has one, you get points for every R$ spent, however it has one of the worst pool of girls (ugly) I've seen in Rio.
Cutting Edge,
I think we all have different experiences at different places. I share your thoughts on the reception staff at Centaurus, but I never had any problems with the girls being to hardcore. There were one or two very aggressive and incredibly high volume girls there but I just avoided them.
At the termas I never had any problems with sending a girl away if I did not want to be with her. Speaking portuguese helps a lot here - you can easily tell a girl you are not interested and she goes away to look for another client.
I have never made it to Rio Antigo and with your report in mind I probably never will. I rather pay more than settle for dogs.
Junior
Just so y'all know, Centaurus' tourist surcharge is completely unconstitutional. The Brazilian constitution is very, very clear on this point: one cannot discriminate between natives and foreigners in providing services.
All it would take is a 'monger brave enough to handle the storm of public laughter and a lawyer willing to handle the case, of which there are plenty, and Centaurus could be in some deep shit, legally speaking. They ARE a legal service provider and must adhere to the law as much as any other service provider.
And for those of you who'll cynically point out that "Brazilian law never works", that's a stereotype. Centaurus certainly doesn't want legal trouble. A group of people seriously threatening them with it would almost certainly cause a policy change.
But y'all would have to quit complaining and hire a lawyer in order to do this.
regarding FF miles at termas:
no entrance fee on the third visit to termas 65 in centro. i'm not sure, but some of the other termas also do this.
nightcrawler:
enable your private message feature so i can contact you.
or send me a PM.
Macunaima:
Rio Scenarium sounds very interesting. is it in centro? is there a cover? live music?
Rio de Janeiro.
There are a lot to say about this marvellous city. Most of it are already said in this forum. I'll just give you another man's opinion.
It doesn't matter how much you travel in Brazil, the most beautiful girls you'll find in Rio de Janeiro.
Non-pro's you can find at many places. The further from Copacabana the more easier.
If you can't stand the snobbish attitude of the girls at People, Trash, W and the other chique discoteques, try a more simple place.
Why not try the rock-club, Emporio, in Ipanema? Quite a young crowd, but many girls eager to meet a gringo.
Might also try the mexican-place, Cozumel, in jardins (in front of Terma Solarium). Pay entrance-fee and have free food , beer and marguerithas. lots of girls. Go early, but not ugly.
Another option is Maurizinho (sorry, changed the name, but the taxi-drivers will know), an after-work discotheque in the center. On Wednesday's the place is crowded. Buffet for free and cheap beer. If you don't like "Go ugly, go early", be quick. About half past eight all the beautiful girls are kissing other men.
An excellent option on a weekday is Arco das telas , also in the center. An alley with several bars and discotheques, where many girls go after their work. Very relaxed and easy-going.
If you're to lazy to get out of Copacabana, then try Copa'dor on a sunday, día das empregadas. Small discotheque located close to Copacabana Palace. Some nice girls to be found.
What about the pro's?
The most convenient and safe way are the termas. Quite nice to dress up in a robe and stroll around choosing a girl. I think most are already said about this places, in this forum,.
The first option most gringos meet, in Rio, is Help. Personally I think Help is a fun place to go for partying with friends, but not for picking up girls. If you want a really beautiful girl you'll have the competition of the guys paying 300 reais for a one-night stand. You'll also have the ugly girls who are imagining somebody will pay them 150 reais. If you can't stand this, just head out to Avenida Atlanticá.
Actually Av Atlantic'a are not only transvestites and drug-addicts. Quite a few nice girls are to be found there.
A more easy option is Meia Pataca or the beach in front of Othon Palace. The beach has the advantage that you'll see what the women has to offer. Also quite easy to get a afternoon-discount. Meia Pataca can be very fun, at least for two days, meeting the women who didn´t get a customer at Help the night before.
Another option is the small brothels, might be found in the classificados, like the apartments in Sigueira Campos etc. If yo're lucky you'll find a beautiful girl.
Then you also have the area around Princes Isabel. A lot of strip-clubs with rough and ugly girls.
So what is the next option? You're maybe to careful to go to a baille do funk in Rocinha? (My god, what a lot of cuties!) You might also think Zona Norte is to far away.
Then try the center. Praca Mauá. First take some big brown bottles of beer at the Filippino Bar. Avoid the street-girls who will approach you there. When you leave the bar, don't go the Scandinavian Bar. A much better option is the Florida Bar. Depending on the day, and how many ships in the harbour, there might be a lot of women. Some really good-looking. Price from 50 reais and up.
So what 's the next option? That's my favourite option - Vila Mimosa! A historical place. Vila Mimosa has been moved around Rio, but are now to be found close to Praca das Bandeiras. According to reports up to 1500 women are working there. This is a wild and sacred (at least for me) paradise.
You take a taxi there, or bus 455 from Av Ns Sra Copacabana. When you get to Praca das bandeiras you get of. None of the other passengers could ever guess where you're going (now I'm lying). Pass the fire station. Head right over the smelling river and enter the hell! My first opinion of Vila Mimosa was that it was something from the "Planet of the apes". I loved it!
The place is quite compact. Coming from the beginning of Av Ceará, you'll first have the new galleria on the right side. Not so many casas, but some nice girlies. The next galleria is also on the right side. Go to the end, you might find a surprise. Then, also on the right side you have the U-turned galleria. Many casas, but a little bit sleazy. Good fun to walk there. All this are on the right side.
The left side might not look so interesting. But if you enter all the alleys and all of the casas, upstairs as well, you'll propably find nicer girls on this side. All depends on when you're going, what new girls that arrived and on your patience.
Many of the girls at Vila Mimosa are dirty and ugly! That's a fact. But you'll also find, maybe 10 %, that are very beautiful. Girls that would have charged a lot if they where working in Copacabana. Many of these girls (often from the out-skirts of Rio) prefer to work in Vila Mimosa beacause they get a lot of customers and they think Vila Mimosa is more safe.
If you'll go to Vila Mimosa on a friday or saturday the place will be busy. You'll also have the opportunity of seeing fights and murders. In the middle of the week it's a good idea to go there about 6 o'clock when the evening-shift starts. Just sit down in a bar and have a big brown-bottled beer in a plastic cup. Enjoy the to-loud funk music and watch the new girls arrive to work.
The secret abou Vila Mimosa is being curious! Put your big nose in all the casas, make friendship with the casa-owners and stay patient. You'll be rewarded.
I think the only danger you might pass is going or leaving Vila Mimosa. This you can avoid by taking a taxi.
The prices are 25 reais, for 30 minutes. The quality of the rooms are very different. Some rooms are disgusting! An option is to take your girl to a motel, close-by. 30 reais for a clean room, 3 hours, with shower, TV , A/C etc.
Some of the girls at Vila Mimosa are wonderful people just trying to support their kids. Treat them with the respect they deserve, and you'll be rewarded. You'll might get several visits, for free, in your apartment by your girl and her friends. ; )
Some people hate Vila Mimosa, "ugly girls and dirty rooms". Me, personally, can't be more happier than when I'm sitting in a simple bar in Vila Mimosa, sipping my cold beer, listening to Funk Proibido, deciding on going with the cutie in the second galeria, third casa right side, or the new girl at the casa in front of the cabellereiro.
Sperto
SPERTO:
God bless you!! That report (below) is exactly the kind of fact-finding, Lonely-Planet-of-sex type of reporting this thread needs. The Rio section is sooooo pitiful.
I've been to about 30 cities in Brasil, sporting in all of them, and am constantly amazed how good the scene is when you get off the tourist track. I guess most of the guys here don't care, don't believe, or don't have the time.
Sorry I couldn't answer your Porto Velho, Rio Brano questions. Haven't been there. I was thinking about making an over-land crossing between Peru and Brasil through that region, but decided against it for various reasons (primarily, I don't have a gun with me -- with Bolivia so destabilized currently, I hear the area is exceedingly rough). Maybe next trip.
Where are you now? I'm in Lima, returning to Rio via Buenos Aires on the 8th (leaving for the States via S. Paulo on the 20th). I'd like to hook up, man.
Gimma a shout-out at your convenience. Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.
JW
Sperto, great report, great attitude and adventurous spirit! Loved it!
Ciao
Spidy
Yes, non-pros are very easy to meet, but definitely get out of Copacabana.
One good option is Via Show: http://www.viashow.com.br/
This is a big warehouse style club. It would be a good solid punt of a football from one end of it to the other. Large, loud and cheesy, but a pretty good place to pick up. Check the website to see what's on (it's also a concert club some nights, hosting the most popular bands in Brazil)
On a normal night it's comfortably full, on a busy night, packed like you wouldn't believe. Drinks are very cheap, R$1 beers and R$1.50 caipirinhas. Cover charge for girls is always free or minimal. So, lots of normal girls can afford the entry fee and then to get drunk.
It's quite a way out of the centre. Count on about R$30 - 40 for a taxi, each way. If you want to reduce this, take the metro all the way to Pavuna first, then taxi from there.
Macunaima, as Lapa bars are currently closed, you mentionned in a precedent post that "barlife is still popping around Rua Do Lavradio" : Is it (like Lapa's bars) busy only on Fridays nights, or some 'happy hour' places like the Arcos de Teles spots ? ?
Thanks
Pro
The Lapa street scene and most of the bars nearest to the aquaduct have been closed. Lavradio is a closed bar scene. Usually costs between 10 and 20 reais to get in, split between minimum consumption and cover. There're almost always live bands playing.
Emporium, in Ipanema, was once a great scene, but too many pros, gringo tourists and muscle-bound jiu-jitsu boys have spoiled it. That's not a good mix: a pro lathers up a steroid pumped member of our local middle-class, he then takes umbrage when she finds a gringo to hump instead. Or a gringo misjudges a normal girl for a pro and her friends take umbrage. In any case, things are likely to turn out badly for the gringo. If you go to Emporium with the intention of picking up women, watch your step very carefully.
The bars on Lavradio are open nights. weds. Thru Sun. seem to be the best times to catch a good show there.
Swede searching a travel-mate for Rio in December!
Hi! Anyone that finds Spertos post exactly the way they think are welcome to post me on the private message system. I am going to Rio in the end of November and I will be there one or two months. I am 36, well-educated, and think, probably, as the rest of you, that code of moral is something arbitrary best chosen by yourself. But I DO like and respect women whether there is money involved or not, and you probably think the same. I find my way around Rio and speak Portugues fluently. Lets have a (really cold) beer and bater papo.
Stay Away Joe
11-04-03, 02:44
Regarding Centaurus:
I argued up and down with them about the 20r tourist tax and they just would not relent, some nonsense about I need to see the manager about applying for membership because this is a member club and only locals can be members. The good news is that you don't HAVE to pay the full 290r up front. Here you can stand firm and plop down the 90rm (70r entrance fee plus the 20r tourist tax) to get in without being committed to having to go with a girl. They'll give you attitude with this also but they will ultimately accede. Funny the little things we can complain about in Rio. We are spoiled.
Cutting Edge
11-04-03, 02:47
Arrggh,,,,arrggghh....not AGAIN!!!
SPERTO wrote quote "If you can't stand the snobbish attitude of the girls at People, Trash, W and the other chique discoteques, try a more simple place."
Why do people insist on fabricating information on this board.
FACT
Trash has not been in existence for 3 or more years. The history is;
1. Resumo da Opera (big fire)
2. Renamed "Trash" (attempt to turn the ruins into a venue with close to no financial outlay)
3. Renamed "Meli Melo" (money spent 3 years ago for total refurb with Sushi bar etc.
'W'------> Has been closed for close to 2 years, last time I passed it was a derelict mess(1 month ago).
People (closed maybe 2 years ago)
Peoples Lounge (after refurb) was closed again in June but may reopen.
Oh dear :-(
Best night at Arcos dos Telos is a Friday 5pm onwards.
I've never seen a fight or murder in VM. This area is under the protection of trafficantes and it is not in their business interest for petty criminals to operate.
I think SPERTO must also be taking the long way around to get to VM from PdB. I've never had to cross a smelly river!
Via Show is on Avenida Brasil, around half way upto Nova Iguazu. Be aware, this area has seen many gunfights between trafficantes and the PM/CORE.
Tchau
Hi.
Seems like Cutting Edge got a little upset.
First: I'm not fabricating any information. There are no mis-information about the places that I recommended.
The purpose of my Rio-report were to inform about some of my favourite places in Rio. Places where it's easy to meet women. All in my opinion.
My point was that there exist several discotheques where the attitude are snobbish, and more difficult to pick up a girl. Personally I'm not fond of this places so I didn't recommend any of them. I just gave examples.
Propably, and hopefully, Méli Meló closed. People were at least open in March this year.
If you want to check out the bars and discotheques, where to find Rio brat-pack and reserved women, you could try one of this:
Carolina Café, Jardim Botânico
Devassa, Leblon
Baronetti, Ipanema
Melt, Leblon
00, Gávea
Studio 54, Barra
Nuth, Barra
A correction to myself.: The after-work discotheque in the center is called Symbol (used to be Bymarius). Best on Wednesdays, Single's night.
"I've never seen a fight or murder in VM." Good for you, Cutting Edge. I don't see Vila Mimosa as a violent place, but unfortunately there are fights, sometimes with deadly outcome. Try reading the newspaper or speaking with the girls or casa-owners and you'll know better.
Truly the area is under protection of trafficantes. This doesn't stop the fights. On the other hand it obstruct robberies inside Vila Mimosa. That could be an explanation why the seven French tourists got robbed just outside, heading to Praca das Bandeiras.
Cutting Edge, about the "smelly river". Arriving to Praca das Bandeiras, you'll cross the street. On the right side you have the fire-station. Then you head right. You'll walk under a bridge where the trains cross and there on your right side you'll have a watercourse/river which indeed is very smelly.
From there you can continue straight forward, passing the motorcycles-clubs, and then head right to Vila Mimosa. Another option is heading right after walking under the train-bridge.
About Via Show, recommended by Cachorro. I've never been there but I heard from my friends that the place is excellent.
If some people wants to avoid all places in Rio where there occured gunfights etc, I think they better stay at home or at least at Help.
I'm not fabricating any information at all. I think Cutting Hedge understands this.
Sperto
Cutting Edge
11-04-03, 19:42
Here we go again, another cock and bull merchant. You claim that you haven't fabricated info?? In your previous post you named three placed that are all closed, one for the past three years. Explain that?
Now in your lastest post you're sending guys to GAY CLUBS, excuse me but isn't this a straight board? Namely '00', pronounced zero zero, an indoor/outdoor club next to the Planetarium in Gavea, also very close to PUC.
I guess you're harvesting your info from the LonelyPlanet/SA Handbook/etc, this explains why its all so out of date and sparse.
I noticed your Porto Seguro post, that has to be one of the biggest pieces of fiction on this entire site. Have you actually ever been there(think not!).
Upset I'm not, I just like other people having there time wasted and sent on fools errands.
CE
Cutting Edge.
I really shouldn't answer your comments, which are only insulting. Me "fabricating information", "harvesting from guide-books".
The purpose of this forum is: "To facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women."
I'm providing information I've experienced travelling in Brazil the last 13 years. I'm sure this information can be useful for the other members.
About the Rio-report...Seems like I have to repeat myself.
"The purpose of my Rio-report were to inform about some of my favourite places in Rio. Places where it's easy to meet women. All in my opinion.
My point was that there exist several discotheques where the attitude are snobbish, and more difficult to pick up a girl. Personally I'm not fond of this places so I didn't recommend any of them. I just gave examples. "
My report was recommending good places. The snobbish places (People, Méli meló) were not a part of these recommendations. So "People" changed name to "People Lounge". Big deal.
If you found "00" to be a gay-club, it might be because you didn't go the right day or because no woman found you attractive? I'm so sorry for you.
So, please, tell me what you have against my Porto Seguro report. Not because it interest me a bit. I know after visting Porto Seguro, more than twenty times, what I'm talking about. I'm just curios how you will embarass yourself.
Personally, I think a besser-wisser, should keep his mouth shut instead of making a fool of himself.
Sperto
PEACE!!
How the hell do you get the private messaging system to work, anyway? Neither Nibu or I can figure it out -- granted, neither of us are very smart.
JW
O.k., I figured it out. Send away, Sperto, et. al.
Embarrassed,
JW
P.S. I'll be in Rio on the 8th -- anyone gonna be around?
JWadd: Seems like you're receiving messages.
Nibu: You must enable your private messaging system.
Sperto, P.S, Cutting Edge: I couldn't resist to read your reports on Belém and Manaus. It amused me that you try to complain on information given by me. LOL! I won't bother to correct you.
Cutting Edge
11-05-03, 01:34
Dear Spurto,
Firstly '00' in Gavea, why do I think its a gay club? Maybe because men were kissing each other, dancing together, touching each other up. The toilets there have completely mirrored walls, they have an attendant in the toilets to stop guys abusing the cubicle. Not to mention that every so often the lights go out turning it into a temporary 'dark room'. Maybe its your cup of tea!
If you go to Rio so frequently, why are you so unaware of whats changed? Why do you talk of seeing murders and assaults in VM? Would you like to tell us exactly how many murders you've seen, and what the circumstances were when they occured?
You also fall into that amateurs trap of the ''blonde blue eyes crap''. It maybe news for you, but Brasilian girls prefer Brasilian men over any others(this excludes ho's). If they had to have a foreigner it would be an Italian(I'm neither Italian or Brasilian). Infact, in Rio the one way that ensures that the non-pros will run is to turn up with a bunch of obvious gringos.
Now Porto Seguro. What did I find different? Firstly there are virtually no *****s there. You mention all these girls lining up to get laid??? PS is full of families and mixed groups of lower class 'Barra' type Brasilians(read snobby). In 1 week there I was called 'gringo, blah blah fode se etc' more than than the rest of my 1+ years in Brasil. On many occasions chicks would start talking to me asking if I was a Paulista, but once they found out I wasn't Brasilian things went cold in a flash. Its also full of pit bull cariocas who walk around in gangs and form human walls in the discos using it as a cover to grope/sexually assault girls. During carnaval there this got so bad that guys were grabbing at girls around 13yo in the crowd. On another night some pitbulls tried to drag a girl into their car, several bystanders had to step in to rescue her. The place sucks.
Axe Moi that you mention is actually a few miles from the center on the beach and operates during the day. You may remember the water sprays there? Very close is Vira Sol, in the other direction Toa Toa. About 2/3 of the tourists there are carioca's, many in the vein of the pitbull.(I know this as the MC would ask people to cheer/wave depending on what state they were from).
You suggest girls are very easy there? I found that due to the antics of the Pitbulls that most girls were in Defense Mode and were elbowing,pushing, swearing at any guys that came near them.This was especially so in Porracho in Arrial.
Most importantly you forgot to mention that its very seasonal. Arrial is a ghost town outside of Dec thru March. I once went there in August and counted 7 other people on the Broadway that evening.
So what were my errors regarding Belem?
Carlos Primeros
11-05-03, 05:34
Spurto,
Your preference for Vila Mimosa I can not understand:
Lowest level wh***, dirt, stinking rooms with sperm on the bead-cover from other clients, the whole place stinking of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) - no thank you. I really prefer the elegant, clean, nice girls of Rio!
Cutting Edge - I am sure you do not want to flame somebody and I am sure you do not like to be flamed. King Jax is ruling this forum with an iron fist and that is the only way to run a forum.
Let us concentrate on the Chicas!
Carlos Primeros
i´m off to the land of plenty tomorrow. :-)
l arrive thursday morning. trip reports to follow, if i'm NOT too busy. :-)
hi cutting edge.
i have no more comments to your criticism on my rio report. i think the facts talk for themself.
the purpose om my reports are to give information. not to prove my knowledge to somebody which might have attitude-problems.
about your comment, quote, "you also fall into that amateurs trap of the ''blonde blue eyes crap''. " c.e, you keep misrepresenting what i've written in my reports.
nibu asked if i thought a white guy, who looks very "gringo", would pass more danger at vila mimosa than a black gringo. my answer was no. i told him that "i'm white, blond and has blue eyes." that is, even looking very gringo-like there are no need for worry.
i made no comment at all about brazilian women prefering blonde, blue-eyed men. try not to misrepresent my reports anymore.
the pro's like a gringo that pays well. doesn't matter if he's white, black or green.
for non-pro's, who like gringos, your race, eye-colour etc doesn't matter as much as you know how to treat the brazilian women in a respectful way with good manners.
for non-pro's, who dislike gringos, you don't have to bother at all.
of course it also depends on where you go. in copacabana it's very hard to find a respectable non-pro. in a city with fewer gringos the possibility of meeting non-pro's are much better.
a discussion about what the brazilian women prefer is not necessary. myself got very good response with my blue eyes. that's good enough for me.
about your comments on my porto seguro report which you thought were, quote, " your porto seguro post, that has to be one of the biggest pieces of fiction on this entire site. have you actually ever been there(think not!)."
c.e wrote, "firstly there are virtually no *****s there." c.e, you're wrong, in my porto seguro report i mention 4 places where you'll find pro's. that's just facts.
c.e wrote, "ps is full of families and mixed groups of lower class 'barra' type brasilians(read snobby). " c.e, you're wrong again. porto seguro has a tourist mixture of mainly paulistas, cariocas, mineiras etc. of course there are familys as well, but the excursions (which make up the biggest part of the tourism in porto seguro) are made up mostly by a young crowd, students etc.
c.e, you wrote that your experience of the porto seguro were "lower class 'barra' type brasilians(read snobby)".
that's definitely wrong. the main part are just normal happy people with a great attitude. students who saved their money for being able to buy a one-week excursion to porto seguro.
c.e, people told you "gringo, blah blah fode se etc' more than than the rest of my 1+ years in brasil."" chicks would start talking to me asking if i was a paulista, but once they found out i wasn't brasilian things went cold in a flash."
that is definitely just your personal experience. me and my friends never experienced any hostility against gringos. on the contrary, many women thought it was great to meet gringos. but this depends on yourself and how you treat people.
c.e wrote "its also full of pit bull cariocas who walk around in gangs and form human walls in the discos using it as a cover to grope/sexually assault girls." i shouldn't even bother to comment this. men who behave bad against women can be found at any place. it's definitely nothing that's typical for porto seguro.
c.e, if you think is got so bad during the carnaval, you better stay away from the carnaval in salvador. in comparison porto seguro is much calmer and safer. of course people go wild and party. that's a part of the street-carnavals in brazil. in any of these carnavals fights can occur or even [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124).
c.e wrote "axe moi that you mention is actually a few miles from the center on the beach and operates during the day." well, c.e, all of the beaches are outside porto seguro. about "operates during the day". i did write "daytime dancing lamba-aerobica at axé moi". read my reports more thorough before starting criticizing!
i'm curious, what do you have against cariocas who spend their holiday in porto seguro? if you can't stand them you really should avoid rio.
c.e wrote, "you suggest girls are very easy there? i found that due to the antics of the pitbulls that most girls were in defense mode and were elbowing,pushing, swearing at any guys that came near them.this was especially so in porracho in arrial."
i understand perfectly well if the girls push and swear at guys who are grabbing them. i don't get this treatment, but then i also use a different tactic, that is i'm not grabbing them. again: respect and good manners. easy girls? yes, definitely! that's why i spend so much time there. : ) . (by the way it's "parracho".)
of course, porto seguro and arraial d'ajuda, are seasonal. that's the case with most of the small cities depending on tourism? try going to greece or ibiza in wintertime.
the places gets more crowded during christmas, new year, carnaval-time, eastern and some weeks in july and october. that is in holiday-times.
i love porto seguro. so does my friends, several of them even opened pousadas and bars in porto or arraial.
so, cutting fudge, you really didn't find any errors in my porto seguro report. you only had some very unusual experiences and bad luck with your women.
about your errors in your belém and manaus reports i'll don't bother to comment them. this board is not meant for criticizing details.
i think this forum is excellent. the members provide information based on their experiences. people have different opinions, that's ok, so you shouldn't whine on them.
a good advice, from a fellow member: try to change, be happy, optimistic, curious, open-minded and treat the brazilians with respect and good manners and you'll be treated back very well.
sperto
Sperto i enjoy your reports about undervisited Brasilian cities, your post about Macapa per example gave me a strong desire to visit this town.
I hope your next January trip will take you to more under-reported sex paradises and that you'll share with us your findings ....
However, about Rio (and not talking about Porto Seguro on which i fully agree with Cutting Edge, is the worse Brasil can offer, but on this subject the eternal "to everyone his own"), the 'regular' places that you listed are IMO not updated at all (except for Symbol that you had to adjust twice, and that has been already correctly reported by Macunaima, CE and myself very recently), and quite inaccurate (eg Studio 54 in Barra and the Jardim Botanico spots like Caroline Cafe and Cozumel which are places VERY populars among a EXTREMELY YOUNG crowd, quite hostile to foreigners, and definitively not for us) ;
I sometimes hit Gavea (there's some good regulars spots Placa Santos Dumont) but never heard of '00', so i suspect CE could be right on the subject ;
Don't take this as a flame, just a correction, for the other readers, about the clubs recommanded in your precedent posts ;
Cheers
Pro
Hey guys,
To further emphatize what Pro is saying, it's extremely important that a report about 'regular' hang-out places specifies what's the age target. I can bear to go a boite or casa, even far away, not find anything I like and go back home. But, spending time to get to a disco and find it's a kid's place where I don't belong, would rather [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. In that sense Sperto you didn't told us much about that, anyway it's clear your point is to stay away from snobby places, that often associates with younger and richers crowds.
I never been to Brazil and can't say anything on the specifics of discussion going on now. There are however a couple of things that I'm sure about. First, it's kind of futile to insist that much on the relative 'safety' of a place, counting shootings and insisting on what _really_ happened to _you_. We all know the whole place is not safe, period.
When someone writes one of these suggestive reposts that he did go a place where violent crimes are common, all the way up to homicides, then try to balance with the usual advice about the proper behavoir that saved his ass, that's just an ego show of machism, and we don't need that. Even if doesn't seem obvious, there's no point in trying to categorize a place as more or less dangerous depending on your experience and feeling. There is always a lot of volatility in these things, may be crime in a given area will subside a little for months and then re-explode for reasons that we may only marginally understand.
Another thing. Cutting Edge, you're extremely fast on jumping on people with you don't agree, even go close to call them names. The fact is that no matter how much, in you opinion, you are right and disturbed by inaccuracies, you shouldn't do that unless your intent is to start a flame war as happened already. Nobody has the monopoly of truth, but everyone will respond when attacked.
That's all. Please go on writing your real toughts as I think partially contradictory information is better than nothing at all.
Stay Away Joe
11-05-03, 13:44
There is a new Terma that opened in Botafogo. The address is Rua Paulino Fernandez, 32 in Botafogo. To get there take the Metro to the Botafogo stop and get out at the Voluntarios de Patria exit, walk one block west on Voluntarios and turn left and it is a half block down on the right side. It is open from 4p to 11p. It has only been open for 3 months. The facilities are very clean and has most of what you might expect from a termas except for top talent. There were only 8 girls there by 7p but I was told that they have 20. I think this place needs time to develop. The cost was 20r to enter which could be used as credit towards drinks. It was 90r in the cabine for a half hour and 110r for a cabine for 40 minutes.
On the subject of "00" in Gavea, I went there one night and the crowd certainly seemed to be heterosexual. There was no gay goings on whatsoever. Of course some clubs may have "gay nights" so I can't fully dispute what was mentioned by CE.
On Stoly's note, I should report that the bars along Lavradio, Gomes Freire and Mem de Sá (Scenarium, Casa da Măe Joana, Carioca, Dama da Noite and a half dozen or so others) are mostly a middle-aged, middle-class crowd, though there is always a substantial portion of well-heeled kids. This is because these places cost about 20R$ to get into, what with consumaçăo mínima and cover, so only older or wealthier folks go.
It's an older, more cultured and calmer crowd. Good places, I would think, for a reasonably discrete gringo who speaks a bit of Portuguese to meet a non-pro woman in the 25-35 age bracket. Journalists, professors, musicians, theater people and business folks are the people who frequent these places, along with the more reflective, cultured kind of youth. This is /not/ a pit boy club scene. Music is usually, choro, smaba or early pagode (i.e. Bezerra da Silva e Co. Ltda.)
The Arcos da Telles seems to be where all the richer kids are hanging out now on Fridays and Uruguaina is where the poorer kids and adults go. A shame, because in the old Lapa scene, everyone was hanging out and partying together. Apparently, that worries the City Fathers.
Re: Vila Mimosa. It's dirty, poor and popular, but not all that dangerous. I'd salient Sperto's point, however, that one could easily be mugged upon leaving or arriving. It is NOT the place to go with a loud, boisterous crowd of gringos who think that because they are in Brazil, they don't have to control their sphincters. However, the local English-speaking football teams go down there every now and again with no troubles at all. If you go, I'd advise you to be discrete and dress down. You should have no trouble and if girls at 15 R$ a pop is your thing, then this is then this is the place. Personally, I'd rather stay home and whack off.
I don't use VM for its services, but it IS a great place to hang out and watch lower class Rio unfold in all its multi-colored splendor.
Hi Pro.
Good to hear that you enjoyed my Macapá-report. I loved my time there.
Places that some people like,other dislikes. Quite natural. Me for example love Porto Seguro. I would never go to Brazil without staying there a couple of weeks. On the other hand I dislike Recife, which are popular among many others. I wouldn't complain on Recife because of that.
Whether you like or dislike a place doesn't only depends on what the place has to offer. It also depends on who you get to know and what you get to experience.
My Rio report was meant to recommend places where it's easy to meet pro's or non-pro's. Emporio, Aro das Telas, Symbol, Florida bar, Vila Mimosa etc.
Personally, I dislike, snobbish places. After Cutting Edge first criticizism I wrote name of 7 places where there can be expected to meet Rio brat-pack and reserved women. I thought this made it clear that those 7 places mentioned are nothing worth visiting (in my opinion). Warnings, not recommendations! I don't set my foot in this places unless it's necessary.
Note, on the other hand, the places which I recommended none are out of date.
Pro, just like you said yourself, places like Carolina Cafe etc are not worth a shit as they have a crowd that's gringo-hostile. That's why I didn't recommend (only warned about) that sort of places.
About Cozumel, different opinions, but that's OK. I liked it a lot. Great fun. Could be because there were free beer and drinks, and everybody was chasing each other. Pro, I think you should try Cozumel again on a friday-night when the alcohol is for free (that is after paying the entrance-fee). You might change opinion about this place.
Pro, I don't take this as a flame. Actually I was only surprised that you dislike Porto Seguro. That's OK. I just don't understand the necessarity of correction on the places I didn't recommend. Please, I appreciate if you can inform me which of the RECOMMENDED places that were out of date.
Sperto
Hi Stoly.
I agree of the importance of specifying what kind of crowd that frequents a recommended place.
In my warnings about the snobbish places, that were to avoid, I said that the crowd were "Rio brat-pack and reserved women". I think that description is enough. Don't you?
OK, you want the age target on the places that I recommended.
- Emporio: a young crowd
- Cozumel: young
- Symbol: very mixtured
- Arco das telas: very mixtured
- Copa'dor: young
- Baille do funk: young
About Help, Praca Maua, Filippino Bar, Florida Bar, Vila Mimosa etc I don't think you need a age-target as the girls are all pro's.
Stoly, to make sure you don't meet to many young people, try Symbol and Arco das Telas. Skip the rest of the other non-pro's places.
Truly, you can meet violence at almost any place. Could be in a favela or could be just outside Help. To avoid violence or robberies, don't make yourself an attempting victim. I think none of the members need any specific advice of proper behavior.
The risk of robbery are greater in some places than others. It's more safe to walk at night in Ipanema than in Bell Ford Roxo.
The reason that I'm very fond of visiting places like Vila Mimosa, Baille do Funk or "rough" places in Praca Maua, is simply because I enjoy the atmosphere so much. It has nothing to do with being macho.
I know many people hate those kind of places. They rather sit in a 200 reais terma or outside Help eating dinner with a 200 reais-pro. Excellent, they enjoy it. Me personally prefer a dark bar with bursting music, cheap beer and sleazy women.
Stoly, I think there can be a need for categorizing the danger of a place. For example, might not be the best choice to go to Vila Mimosa nicely dressed up with a stacked wallet.
But I definitely think that just because crimes happened at a place it's not necessary to avoid that place. Just take some precautions.
Sperto
Macunaima
I'll check out the places that you recommended. Sounds interesting.
I agree that Vila Mimosa "is NOT the place to go with a loud, boisterous crowd of gringos". Also agree that "the only danger you might pass is going or leaving Vila Mimosa. This you can avoid by taking a taxi."
Do you have any recommendations on Duque de Caxias?
Sperto
Can someone tell me where there is a quick time motel that is near Mea Petaca? Also, can anyone tell me of their experence in Termas 502, ie quality, quantity and attitudes of the girls. I have been to rio 3 times and will post my experiences when I have more time.
Thanx
Thanks all for the further info. I'll be in Rio mid-december and will try to use it to the max. I want to add something again on the matter of safety. I think it's 110% clear to everyone that Rio is an unsafe place where you can't ever take the luxury of dressing up or carrying valuables with you, no matter if you're going to Villa Mimosa or to Help, to the beach or whatever, and still you can get robbed if you have bad luck.
It doesn't hurt if you repeat this over and over again, but really, I (and I think all the readers here) totally understood. Further discussion should go the appropriate section, including this rant of mine, sorry about that.
I've read all the reports. One guy got robbed in the restaurant. Another while jogging on the beach and escaped by stripping down to bare ass. Another just walking by the street, and someone immediately jumped to ask "what he did wrong to attract the bad guy" - turns out he did nothing wrong still it had happened. We all whish there's a 100% sure method to avoid trouble, unfortunately there is not.
Sperto I didn't meant you showed machism but I remember one report about Villa Mimosa ending with something like "go if your life is not dear to you". Oh yeah, thanks for the encouragement.
By analogy the same volatity, despite abundance of good advice, appears to be present when picking garotas at Help or the like. Some say they got delicious freebies, some say a nice girl turned into trouble in the hotel room. Most of the guys however agree that "avoiding the pirańas that won't budge should get you a good screw for 150-200 Reais". C'mon guys, I like you all, but now is insulting the intelligence of anyone to repeat that - WE GOT THE MESSAGE!!!
Have you noticed however that these same reports often lack the most basic details, like the garota name (and I don't mean the complete, real name) and physical description. It happens all the time to forget girls names, just make a little effort next time! The vote on the scale however is always present, exception, when is about a freebie, I wonder why?
One guy had a bad experience (not in Rio) and purposely avoided making the name of the girl that stole his money!!! Thank you for the bedtime story, but now the next guy that goes there will keep asking himself hmmm is that about to happen to me too?
If you had been reading so far, one final off-topic question: what would be your N.1 destination for new year's eve in Brazil? I've seen Porto Paraty and looked awesome, any experience?
Hi Stoly.
I hope you'll enjoy your visit in Rio.
New Year in Brazil? Why not just spend the New Year in Copacabana? Fire-works, concerts and lots of people. Great fun!
Personally, I'll spend New Year in Porto Seguro. Good party (or the worst place in Brazil according to others).
You could also try Salvador. Less party but you'll get the opportunity of learning bahian culture.
Sperto
Dear All,
I have a post from my time in Rio. It is a bit late (3 weeks) but complete. Went to Luomo termas on a Thursday. Address posted elsewhere but it is on the second floor of a shopping centre at unit 15. Arrived at 6 pm. About 20 girls and 8 other guys. A good selection of girls but only really two I wanted to take. One was taken so I hooked up with "Karina". She is an 8 - tall, dark hair and eyes and good breasts. Had GFE for about 30 minutes in the TV lounge before going to the cabin. Great BBBJ and great sex. A beautiful and nice girl. Much recommended. I only went to one termas having read other reports and think this place is great. Total cost for one hour with Karina 241 Reais including drinks and entrance and GFE before hand. Spent about 3 hours there. Highly recommended.
Regards
Hodges
Cutting Edge
Chill brother!
I have been to porto seguro as my friend was getting married there! I have to agree that its BLOODY EZ TO GET LAID THERE! I do not speak Portugese, but I went to a very local club there (forgot name, too many beers!!) and girls from out of town who are there just to pick up some guys, yes gringos if your definition falls beyond American guys. This was affirmed by some of the PORTUGESE people that were in our fairly young group. These guys go there on holidays sometimes - they are as brazilian as you get.
Now in the club, I was with my english speaking only friends 1st night, I was last person left from group. Suddenly I get grabbed by some Brazilian chick who did not speak English, we danced, kissed and somehow worked our way to the cafe area's leading to the beach and enjoyed a lot of foreplay at 4.30am - very few people walking past, mostly drunk, but dark and hidden behind tables and chairs outside we worked up a steam, she would sometimes say "people" (probably the only word I remember her saying in English!) but I would say "no people" and we just carried on. This continued towards the beach and I spilled me load. She was 7-8 as well, but it didn't matter too much, it was the experience that this horny Brazilian chick gave me that will always stay in my mind. This was march 2003 BTW. Anyway, we just walked back towards my puosada and she wanted to come in, but I knew I would see her again soon (staying there for a week) and kissed her goodnite - was pretty damn exhausted from all the bits of shagging and thought to go to bed with the sweet memory. Anyway, met her again 2 nights and she came over and was all over me, but my bloody luck, that night the bride and groom and family were there so I had to be on my best behaviour and remain in the group :-( Never even knew her name, but will always remember that one! Oh yeah, her friends had hooked up with these gringos as well, they were all there just to have sex, we met one of them on the beach near us and she just introduced this guy with out any shame - she was about to screw his brain out having just met him that night - same as me with my girl!
There were other incidents in many of the beach bars - I had this 6 girl wanting to go for a walk with me on beach and some kissing and BBBJ - the language in that place is sex! I was not even mongering in Porto Seguro, I was there for a wedding, but point is that there are women there to be had for sure. There is a pro joint there with a pool as well, next to some hotel, although never went again. Left mongering duties to when I got back to rio ;-)
Anyway guys, enjoy it all, I know info accuracy is important, but every persons experience is different!
CE: Did you ever go to the Brazilian Bank in Porto Seguro, it has the most amazing women I saw in Brazil working there, I didnt want to leave the place, my friend had to drag me out!
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Cutting Edge
11-06-03, 03:07
Firstly regarding '00'. We went on a Sunday night after somebody recommended it to us. We left(escaped) after 10 mins without buying a drink. I had a short conversation with a girl who while pressing her tits against me as we talked told me she only liked to kiss girls. From the dress of the clientel it was obvious that it was gay. Do you guys go out wearing t-shirts that are just long enough to cover your nipples?
I've spent a long time(continuous) in Rio and many of the places mentioned go through phases. In Dec 2002 to Jan 2003, Emporium on Maria Quiteria was pretty good. During this period there were lots of brasilian tourists in town and they are most likely to talk with a gringo. However, shortly before Carnaval a large number of gays hit town and Emporium for several weeks was nearly 50% gay guys.These people are like locusts, they hunt down a 'cool' place frequented by 'straights', scare them all off then abandon it.In Dec and Jan, Six in Lapa was mega, talking to non-pros was easy, however after carnaval all the holidaying Brasilians had left and gays had started to enter the place. On my last visit there it resembled a rent boy convention(not that I've ever been to one).
Safety issues, I think you're far more likely to get involved in a fight with a disgruntled brat than somebody from the favela. The brats tend to have a high and mighty attitude, the arrival of a gringo with wads of $$$ tends to upset the power balance/pecking order. Of all the places I've been in Rio, Barra has by far had the most anti-gringo sentiment.
Back to Porto Seguro, again I saw no obvious ho's, I didn't get one proposition from one either. Sperto mentioned Broadway in Arrial, Arrial is a tiny village and the broadway is 20 ft wide and about 100 ft long! I think I would have spotted any GDP's after a week there.
On my last trip during carnaval, a large number of guys were of the pitbull type(20-30%). Usually in groups of 6 or 7, roaming around shouting at girls, grabbing tits etc. Sperto made a point about being polite, the problem is when there is a critical mass of idiot guys around, the girls close in for protection and blank everybody. Guys would just grab a girl by the back of the head and force her to kiss him. The other tactic of the pitbull groups is to form a human wall in front of the girls toilets(they have go to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) sometime). As the girls push through they get groped, forced to kiss etc. Now pitbulls make up a tiny tiny fraction of brasilians, but it seems most of them migrate to PS for carnaval at least. Pitbulls also predominantly seem to come from Rio, how many PB's do you see in Macapa?
Cutting Edge.
I'm sorry for your bad luck to meet so many gays.
"00" is a discotheque of the same kind as Baronetti. Might be that they had a gay-night when you went there. To my knowledge it's a straight place.
I can't say if gays frequent Emporio in the carnaval. But at least the rest of the year it's a totally straight place, excluding the bearded waiter. Go there and see for yourself.
Cutting Edge, your description of Arraial d'Ajuda shows your knowledge, quote, "broadway is 20 ft wide and about 100 ft long". Wow, amazing that they can fit at least 30 establishments (restaurants, bars, lambateria, internetcafes, shops and a bakery) in just 100 feet. Very big feet!
Arraial d'Ajuda is "a tiny village". OK, there are only 20000 inhabitants.
C.E, you impress me. You had so many bad experiences in Brazil, girls running away from you, people telling you 'foda se', pitbulls and gays everywhere, lousy food, lack of ATM's and even girls spitting on the floor. Still you keep coming back. That's great!
In Macapá I actually didn't see any pitbulls, but I saw several vira-latas.
Cutting Edge, you tried so eagerly to flame and insult me. I had to answer. Let us put an end to this and concentrate on reporting on the women.
Sperto
Stoly if you're around Sao Paulo during New Year's Eve period i should be pleased to meet you in front of some cervejas : i'll be there from 26 dec untill 12 january (31 Dec in Bomboa and Love Story !!).
Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.
Sperto your posts show that you're a gentleman and a real Brasil's lover : hope we can meet someday too.
StawawayJoe, you remember Prosal on Nana board ? :)
Cheers guys
Greetings friends. I have been to Rio several times in the last three years. I go at least three times a year.
I have met so many birds that I lost count. I have been to Help many times as well. I met my very first girl outside of Help. Her name is mariah and I see her on occaision. Although she is a professional girl, I have been to her mothers house for dinner a few times and spent a little time with her son.
Other trips I met other women, professional and civilians.
Regarding the termas, I always went to Monte Carlo because it was close by and I know the faces of the people who run it.
Someone mentioned that they don't take credit cards? They do. AND you never pay a girl directly in Monte Carlos. There is an entrance fee and you pay for what ever you use there, a girl for 40 mins or an hour or whatever. Drinks etc.
Centaurius, I went there twice. I like em young tall, large breasted, round ass and lightly tanned skin.
As far as apartments go. I prefer Leme. It seems quieter and safer. The rents are average. I never use someone off the street to find one. I always use Copacabana Holiday. They are very reputable and their apartments are nice for the money.
I have rented from individuals with success, but my friends rent from street vendors that will tell you they have apartments and things get stolen even in lieu of a door man being present. Money, etc.
There are a couple guys at Mab's that have been around a while. Renaldo is one. Short stocky guy. Gave me a ride from the Airport my first visit. He's a bit of a hustler but he works for Louis on Prado Junior. Luis is next to or close to the cigerrett place and the No Name Bar.
I'd like to hear from those of you that go to Monte Carlo. I haven't been there in a year and I like the stories.
Also, I am wondering if a girl by the name of Valeria is still there. Short cute, looks like Cheryl Crow a little.
Ciao
Cutting Edge
11-06-03, 20:21
Sperto, if you read my previous post you'd see that I went to Emporium frequently and recommended it during Dec-Jan. In the weeks before Carnaval things went pink.
If you want to see the effects of gay locusts take a trip to the area where Rua Visconde da Silva meets Rua Real Grandeza in Botofogo. You'll see a line of derelict bars which lost their trade to the gay invasion.
Ok, maybe the Broadway in Arrial is 150ft long, but the establishments are tiny places about 15ft wide or less. The place is a ghost town outside of Dec-Mar. Where did you get your figure of 20,000 inhabitants from?
Re: Food - I don't like salty fish. Is that a problem?
Re: naarrggghh Gringo! Fode se - Only got this in Porto Seguro.
Re: Atm's - The problem was with Cirrus, not Visa.
I dying to hear about these murders you saw(no pun intended), I've only seen a few RTA's while in Brasil including a few with fatalities. Check this link for some gruesome pics, be warned you may be ill later!
http://images.ogrish.com/2003/302/302_1.jpg
CE
Cutting Edge.
I'm also against gay invasion of the hetereo bars. Luckily it not happened to Emporio yet.
Population of Arraial d'Ajuda. Not because I care of the number of habitants, but take a look at
http://www.trancosobahia.com.br/folhatrancoso.htm.
20000 habitantes. The city/village is growing quickly. Lots of bairros, Campinho, Novo Arraial, Vale dos Gringos etc. The center itself is compact, which I like as it makes it easier to find the cuties.
C.E, In 1995 I worked with some friends running a bar on Broadway. I carried a lot of beer-cases on that street. I can assure you it's more than 500 feet. But who cares?
I still agree with you that the city is very calm indeed, outside the periods I mentioned in earlier report. You know what, I enjoy this a lot. The nice nativas and pro's have noone to go to except to me in my little house. : )
C.E, I enjoy Brazil more than anything else. Not only the women, but a lot more. Unfortunately there are lot of violence. That's a dark side of such a beautiful country. I prefer to keep my further discussions on the women and not on the violence.
That's OK with you?
Sperto
Night Crawler
11-06-03, 22:30
Hi,
I have one more related queston: Where can one get some good Brazilian amateur porn? (Now I know you all are thinking "didn´t you bring your camera?".) Just to get some for my friends back home, and NO, I didn´t bring my video camera. Will next time. Besides, all my friends need not ses my bare ass.
I was at this place called A2. It has a store in both Copacabana and Ipanema, but very few movies and stuff like that, mostly clothes and toys. I want to know where to buy the more local amateur productions, or don´t they have them?
Thats all for this time.
N
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Sperto,
Next time, you might want to "edit" your original post. That way, new readers will never see the uncorrected version.
Bandy
Hey fellow Monger’s,
I have been going to Rio since 1980 before Help was even there. My first trip I didn’t even know that it was a monger’s paradise and I had no encounters just did tourist stuff. I went back a year later and was sitting in the café next to the Rio Palace and said to my friend that something is weird here because all these women are looking at me. Well I snuck one into the Rio Palace and the rest is history.
I have been to Rio about 50 times and besides the Termas and the Boites and Help I have met a few non pros and I mention this since there has been some discussion on this subject lately. These non pros have included American tourists, flight attendants from the US and tourists from other countries in South America. One I would like to mention is a Brazilian girl I met at the beginning of the year on a 10 day trip for me to Rio.
I arrived on a Friday afternoon and as always on my first day I like to break the ice so I ordered a delivery from one of the outcall services called Fantasy, she is not on the site anymore but she was great a nice tall blond from Barra who was visiting her Grandmother in Copacabana so she was at the Debret within 10 minutes. That night I went to Help as usual and had another great session but the next night Saturday night I left the Debret at about 11 PM and walked to DonCamillo restaurant a block away from the Rio Othon Palace. I sat outside in the middle of the seating area. I ordered a drink and looked around at the tables and noticed a young woman sitting alone on the other side. I also noticed that the table next to her was empty. I told the waiter that I wanted to move my table over there and I went and sat down at the table next to her.
It took a while before I spoke to her but when I got the opportunity I did and she seemed friendly and receptive. We spoke all during my dinner and after dinner I bought her a couple of after dinner drinks. I then asked her if she could tell me some good places to go in Rio to listen to music and dance. She told me she likes Chikos bar in Lagoa. I asked her to come with me and she sad yes.
Chikos bar is a great place for the older guys as there were plenty of older single women looking for some companionship. Every time my date went to the ladies room one of these ladies would try and speak to me but I was satisfied with my 25 year old.
Well I spent the whole week with her going to dinner and having fun but had not hit pay dirt all week yet as it was difficult to inviter up to the Debret and she had to get up at 6 in the morning to go to work every day.
I invited her to Buzios for the weekend and she accepted, we went Friday night after work and pay dirt was hit. I had a real nice time with her and even in Buzios I could have left her as there were some local girls that told me they were available but I didn’t do it.
Just to mention when I dropped this girl off every night after dinner I went straight to Help.
Also I plan on going back to Chikos bar on my next trip as there were many available non pro women.
D Bone,
Around the corner from Meia Pataca on Nossa Senhora de Copacabana avenue there is a short stay motel called Vanity. I think its on the corner of Djalma Ulrich which is the street where the Debret is on the corner. I usually stay at the Debret but I go here to Vanity when I come back from Help at 4 in the morning with duplas. The Debret won't let you in with 2 girls at least not the current man at the front desk on the grave shift.
Actually, the bars on Real grandeza didn't lose their clients to the gay invasion. They lost their original clients and did quite well for a couple of years. Then the gay crowd moved on to Lapa and Ipanema and phpt! No more business.
A good friend of mine lost his bar this way.
Truth be told, however, het crowds work in much the same way in Rio. Bottom line: open a bar here in a hot district and you have two years, max, to make bank. After that, expect your business to deep-six and move on.
Espanhola,
I know there has been some talk that Mabs is dead but last November on a Sunday afternoon I spotted some really nice ones there but I didn't partake as I was saving myself for Help that night. I regretted this and went back to Mabs this past March and it was dead. The kind of girls that were there were not the kind I would fly 5000 miles for. So I left and started walking down Copacabana and spotted a cafe that had a stand up bar inside, an American bar. You don't see too many of these in a cafe so I stopped in to get a beer.
I was standing next to a table with mostly average girls sitting at it and one very beautiful dark haired morena. She had a dress on with long slim legs all over the place and a beautiful full rack. I didn't think they were pros as I never heard of this place before of course it is the Balcony bar. Another girl sat down and started bothering 2 gringos sitting at the bar and they were getting annoyed, she was throwing things at them, sticking them with toothpicks, she was real low class. I told her to stop it and she got inflamed and then the bouncer came over and told her to leave.
Then the real nice girl with the long legs asked me to sit down at her table, now I kne something was up. On closer inspection she was beautiful, I told her she was and she got excited, lifted her dress to show me her legs and then pushed those big beautiful breasts together and said to me how about an Espanhola? Well I knew what she meant but I said in my neighborhood we call it a Frenchie but we can call it anything you want today. She told me 50 reais.
I didn't want to go back to the Debret because I really don'y like to parade girls in the lobby during the day so I asked her if we could go across the street and do it on the beach, she said sure. But then I gave that a second thought and didn't think it was the safest idea as it was becoming dusk now so I grabbed a taxi with her.
The taxi ride was fun down to the Debret we were all laughing, me her and the taxi driver calling each other safada, safadinha and other nice names. The taxi cab driver pulls over in front of the Debret on Ave Atlantica and I guess he doesn't pull over far enough and gets sideswiped by a bus, this almost ruined the whole day. I threw him the money and got out with the girl everybody was OK.
In the lobby of the Debret she was the main attraction, it was about 6 pm and there was a crowd and they were all fixated on her. Well up in the room she was superb, she was everything and more that I thought she would be and the Espanhola was out of this world. That was all I did the Espanhola like we had said but now I think we should have done more.
Now when a girl leaves the room in the Debret and get her ID back from the front desk they call you to see if your all right. They didn't call me untill an hour after she left my room which means she met somebody in the hallway and did another session before she left the hotel, double duty.
Hey guys,
Sorry if this is a "newbie" question but for female companionship at the Rio Roiss do you need to get a double room, or is a single room good enough?
Cutting Edge
11-09-03, 04:43
Maca, according to the guy at the Loch Ness Bar he had a lot of expat clients. However when the gays moved in, his regulars moved out. Was this Scottish guy your friend?
Do you remember the Lesbian bar with mirrored windows, it was one of the last to close. We went in there one night, it was about 95% female. Chatted to a few but got no further as was to be expected. It was quite a sight to see stunning girls kissing, groping etc(for real not like a dupla at a terma).
You need a double room to bring a girl in or they charge you the difference for the night (even if she stays an hour).
Yep, that's him Cutting Edge.
His expat clients left, but he did a pretty good take for a while with the gays. Enough to make it worthwhile for him to paint rainbows on the bar's wall, at any rate. But then the gays took off, leaving the place to the dykes. and when the dykes left, that was it.
He is an EXCELLENT cook and wnated to run a restraunt/pub in the first place, so even though he was making some cash flow with the initial gay invasion, it wasn't what he wanted to be doing anyhow. And I think by the time he got himself resigned to running a gay bar, the bottom fell out in baixa Botafogo.
Lord Jim's faced the same problem and solved it by upping their prices, but they have a captive expat market. Loch Ness was just starting out and couldn't go that road.
It's a bummer he closed. I only went down there a couple times, but I miss the food, the pub and him. He was good bloke.
RE: Balcony.
Perhaps there were some non-pros hanging there last November when it started, but it's wall-to-wall pros now.
Cutting Edge
11-10-03, 01:42
Nightcrawler, there is a video store called 'Buttmans' or something similar down in Ipanema. I can't remember the exact street but its down around Rua Ameoba da Farme area and its just around the corner from Rua Prudente de Morais. I guess you just need to walk a few blocks until you find it. They have 1000's of videos, I guess you'll find what you want there. By the way, Brasil uses the PAL system vs NTSC of the states.
There is also the Miami Video Center in Copacabana, its on NS Copacabana, just where Rua Hilario Gouveia meets it(thats the rd where MC is situated).
Cutting Edge
11-10-03, 03:01
Sperto, I checked out your link on that site you mentioned. If you look carefully there are only 5000 people on the electoral register there, the other 15,000 must be seasonal workers etc.
I also noticed that in the Belem thread you took exception that I had mentioned where a large group of homeless people hang out. Considering they are on the main path between shopping mall, hotels and bar do parque, they may end up preventing you from meeting a women later :-).
Rabo Verde
11-10-03, 03:25
CREDIT CARDS IN TERMAS
Most of the termas recently stopped accepting credit cards for P4P but they will let you pay the entrance fee by CC, all else in Reals or Dollars. Presumably some hobbyists were cancelling their charges when they got home, LOL. I pay in dollars as the termas actually give as good or better excahnge rates as the banks!
Cutting Edge
11-10-03, 03:46
Monte Carlo started this a while back, I think its more to do with cash flow. The girl has to be paid on that day, if everybody pays with a CC, they are stuck and run out of cash.
Can you imagine somebody calling up CC disputes back home? How would you explain yourself?
When I was in Rio last month I paid all fees at termas with credit cards except the girl's fees, which were in cash. The only exception to this was at 4X4, which accepted everything on credit card, although that was my least favorite terma.
VILLA MIMOSA, RIO
I checked out Villa Mimosa (sp?) today -- a Monday -- around 4 p.m. While it is seedy and dire, it's about the average for the scene in the poorer, northern citys (e.g. Manaus, Belem). It has that same stinking, dirty port-city feel to it.
I didn't really feel that it was all that dangerous, though. Sure, you can get jacked there no problem, but the area itself is so much like all the rest of the non-touristed Brasil, that if you avoid areas like this, you'll have a hard time seeing a majority of this great country.
All this aside, the action was a little light. I should have gone at night (and probably will tomorrow night).
The place itself is a back-street lined with street-meat vendors and liquor kiosks that back into street-front bars with beds (on one side) and corridors with bars with beds on the other. Get the picture? Very basic, very dirty, very sex-adventure-traveler fun. I recommend it for the experience alone.
Prices seem to be in the 20R range for full service. At 4 p.m. on a Monday, I'd say there were about 50 girls present, only about 5 of which were do-able. But that's me. I'm sure it's better at night.
As for the much reported under-age problem here (and I hesitate even to bring this subject up -- I don't advocate or support sex with minors), I saw no girls that were minors -- so I wouldn't be too overly concerned about being caught in some kind of exotic fake-cop tourist sting.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
Saint, I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind.
There is a picture you posted in VIP's of a girl from the internet site "Company Girl" She is blond with sunglasses and fully dressed, do you remember her name?
When you arrange on the internet for a girl to spend time with at VIP's, do you tell her to meet you there? Where at VIP's, in the lobby? I have never been there before but I want to check it out in a couple of weeks.
Thanks,
Bob.
Cutting Edge
11-11-03, 03:19
Jwadd, glad to hear you made it to VM. Things tend to fluctuate a lot there, some girls only work certain nights. Generally things get better later in the week. We would usually hang out in the bars for a few hours, as the cuties seem to be hiding sometimes. Friday nights tend to be too busy, too many guys and human traffic jams up the alleys. 5pm to 8pm seems the best time of day.
We were always quoted 20R$ + 5/7R$ for the room for 20mins.
Member #1121
11-11-03, 06:43
Fellow board members,
Having read many of the posts here I have decide to visit Rio and BA. I will be in Rio on a Sunday through Tuesday.
What kind of itinery would you guys recommend I follow?
Definitely planning to check out HELP.
Which would be the top 2 termas to go to- L'UOMO and Solarium or others.
Please suggest.
Thanks.
Hi.
Can anybody give recommendations for meeting pro's or non-pro's in Zona Norte?
P. S JWadd, I hope you'll enjoy V M...
CaptainNemo
11-11-03, 19:26
Recently, I was in Rio for the 1st time. I like Help a lot. In the U.S., I am out 3-4 nights a week for bar/club hipping and generally like techno dance music. So, Help is quite fun for me. There are more women than men during 5 nights I was there. I did not see any super gorgeous girls, but there are women for every taste. The fun part is that I can dance, kiss and fondle as many girls as I want. In the Help, these girls were not very open-minded as I like. In the U.S, I can play with girls’ tits and pussies all I want (think about college and Spring Break parties) if I hook up with the girl. U.S. girls have no problem to display such public foreplay (in a discreet way). Help girls would reject to such advance from me in public, but fuck me for money in my room. I guess that Help’s management doesn’t want such public sexual display. Most of guys behave quite gentleman. I did not see many guys engaging in heavy foreplay as I did. But, I am a younger guys and this is what I like to do in the States.
I did not encounter any girls quoting me US $200 for TLN. R$200 seems to be the normal price for me and I never try to bargain it. I post one of girls in the photo section.
Night Crawler
11-11-03, 19:56
Hi,
Edge, thanx for the info on the buttman store, I have to check that one out.
Nemo, I have to disagree with you when it comes to what you get to do with them. I think that the girls in Brasil are very accomodating and friendly. When it comes to help I barely dare to make eye-contact cause I get swamped without it so I don´t know. Sure there is a silly shyness even with the obvious pros but that is just funny.
I think that it has to do more with class than with anything else what they OK before you get back to your place. Fistfucking a girl in the bar prior to taking her home in the US would not make me want to tak her home at all. It all depends on if you go for the trailer trash, as many of the girls are in the "gone wild" videos, or if you prefer something a little more classy. I'm not knocking your chocie of girls, to each his own, just making an observation. The Girls I date at home usually have way more self control than letting anyone do them in the restroom, in general anyways :-)
That's my 2 cents.
N
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Night Crawler
11-11-03, 20:04
Hi again,
I was wondering about the termas. What do you do with your valuables? I usually bring cash so what amount do you think is standard to spend in L´Oumo? How much time does one spend in the public area? Do people bring cameras witht them when they go?
I hate the card system they use herein bars and such. It never says how much you've spent until your supposed to pay. I like to know things like that in advance.
Is Vanity on Nossa Senhora Copacabana a short stay motel? If so, does anyone know the rates; It´s not far from where I live. Maybe a good place for meeting an outcal girl?
Thats all for this time.
Take Care.
N
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CaptainNemo
11-11-03, 20:31
I went to this place in centro for the adventure (that’s why I was in Rio). This place was mentioned on this board. The address is 37 Travessa de Ouvidor, this is a "walking street" off Rua de Ouvidor. Not far from 4X4.
This place is for local people. There is a price list on the wall when walking in. I only understand the number 30. So, I guessed that it was 30R for a pop. It was 3PM. There were about 7 girls. One of them is blonde and seems to be doable. For 30R, what the hell. I take a shot. I pointed my finger at the girl and that’s it (I speak nada Spanish or Portuguese). I paid. She got a condom and a sheet from the old lady behind the counter. We took an elevator to the upper lever. There are a few cabins, separated by a very, very thin wall. It is like office cubic, with a taller wall and a bed. You can clearly hear what the next cabin is doing. For me, it is quite interesting. When you fuck the girl, there are so much noise from other customers and girls in other cabins. It is live porn noise.
When we were done, we took the elevator back to the bar. I saw a cute girl just coming to work. I decided to fuck her too. So, I had a drink and did her. She was kind cold when we were fucking. Somehow, she is the best fuck I did on this trip. Her pussy is so tight. When I fuck her in doggy style, these pussy lips moving with my cock is a very beautiful sight. With her moaning and noise from other cabins, it was very erotic for me.
It was fun.
CaptainNemo
11-11-03, 20:45
When I was on my way to Luomo, I picked up a fly. It is near Copacabana beach. It seems to be a local joint. I decided to check it out. It is called Alibi (Copamodels.com, 2256-3837/2548-0733). From the beach, take Rue Sigueira Campos. It is one block away. There is a public park. On the right side, there is a store. Make a right turn. Next to the store, there is a door. There are many credit card signs (Visa, Amex… )on the door. I went in. There were about 15-20 girls, 2 of them are cute. This is about 4:30PM. There is no customer at all. Girls asked me to sit. I decided to leave. With my language ability, it is too much trouble to figure out how this place works. Luomo would be a better place to kill my afternoon.
CaptainNemo
11-11-03, 20:59
I went to 4X4 on my 1st day in Rio. The quality of girls spread a wide range. It seems that there is no standard or quality control. I was not very impressed. I arrived around 3PM. Very few men. At 6PM, it was bad. I feel like in a sausage factory. There are plenty of women, but there are a lot of guys next to you. Rubbing shoulder with other strange men in a robe is not my kind of fun. Some of guys (probably from the U.S.) have to wrap the robe around their waist to show off their upper body’s muscle. It was getting ugly. I have to take girls to the VIP room to avoid eye pollution and for some quite time.
This was my only time in 4X4.
CaptainNemo
11-11-03, 21:37
I like Luomo a lot. Its facility is good. The atmosphere at bar is nice. All of girls have a nice ass, even though some of faces are not so good.
A few fun things to share.
There is a blonde Natasha. Her ass is hairy. Because she is true blonde (I inspected her ass, unless there is a trend to dye the hair on the ass), I could not see anything on her ass. When I fondled her ass, I was shacked by what my hands felt. There are not that much hair, but there are a few long hairs. I have never encounter such nature wonder due to the well-groom habit of European/US women. If fucking a hairy blonde ass is your thing, you should not miss this one. Let’s hope her not shaving the ass.
It does not seem to be a problem for girls to visit you in the hotel. I have 2 girls from Luomo spending night with me, not at the same night. They do not mind the other one knew about it. They wanted to spend night with me. I have to rotate myself every night for these 2 girls. I think that all of girls are available for hotel night.
On of girls allowed me to look at her purse. I saw her recording how much money she makes every day. For every guy she did, she get R$100. Most of time, she does 3 guys a day. I also saw the money receipt. According to her, there are guys sending her money around world. I saw love letters from some guys. There are guys going to fly her to Europe. Very interesting stuff she share with me.
CaptainNemo
11-11-03, 22:58
Hi NightCrawler
In the termas, I had about R$800 +US$200 with me most of time, even though I never spent that much. Also, I had my digital camera and mobile phone. I felt quite safe to leave them in the locker (maybe I am a fool). Sometime, I carried the camera (it’s small) and phone in my robe pocket.
One of good things about termas is that there are no rip-off drinks. Everything is reasonable priced.
I don’t mind buy girls a drink. It is not expensive. I could spend a few hours on the couch with different girls, without going to the room. Since I don’t speak Portuguese, I did not spend time to learn much about these girls. Just making out with these girls.
Mr. 1121,
Since you arrive on Saturday, 4x4 is not open. You could hit it Monday - be sure to arrive between 3-4p, to avoid crush of post workday business men.
Luomo is a good shot for you on Saturday, arrive say 6-7p.
Help is a must for you on Saturday, as it's worst nights are Sunday and then Monday. Hit the Terrace about 11p, enter Help by Midnight to save 10R off of the cover, or leisurely enter at the optimal time of say 12:30-1a.
You could call among the many options of internet girls.
Monte Carlo is open on Sundays - I've never been pleased with the quality of the girls but read the posts... seems I'm in the minority?
I hear Solarium is gaining momentum - someone else will have to post an update for the the best day/time and costs.
Night Crawler, Sperto: Thanks, guys.
JW
Captain Nemo,
Your comments on the woman's purse confirm two things I'm digging up here...
1) Most pros work several venues, not just one: termas, Help, Bars and maybe even street if money is tight (though no one likes that and they avoid it if they can helpm it).
2) Most pros ALSO work several "non-pro" venues like the LatinEuro dating site, trolling for suckers. Just as an experiment, I wrote to some girls on LatinEuro. One of them wrote back to me in her first e-mail, asking for 100USD for an "English course". Right.
I suppose there are some suckers out there and - just like with the Nigerian Bank scam - all you need are couple of fools to make it worthwhile.
A word to the wise that has been repeated to death here but bears repeating again: if the woman is with you because of your cash, 9 to 1 odds says she's a pro, y'all, whether she charges you openly or not.
Pros love romantic gringos who are willing to believe they "just need a little cash to leave the live". They are called "Papai Noeis" here. Or simply "bananas".
FKK Newbie
11-13-03, 02:17
Hi,
After reading all the reports here I am visiting Rio finally. I must say that I am a bit concerned about the safety there. I have heard about people getting robbed at gunpoint and other bad experiences.
I am looking for advice/tips from fellow experts here to avoid getting into trouble there in Rio. My plan is to visit the main action areas at night including termas, HELP, discos, clubs, etc. I am not looking to bring in the girls to the hotel.
Could you provide any tips on how to get around at night. Should I walk back to my hotel at night after visiting the clubs/termas or should I take a cab? Are cabs safer? I have heard that cab drivers can also rob you? Are there any clubs that must be avoided which are ripoffs? where they can rob you or are unreliable? What kind of places/people must be avoided?
As you know I am being a bit over apprehensive, but I would rather be safe than sorry. So please share with me any tips to stay out of trouble (particularly on getting around using cabs, buses etc. ) from my hotel to the termas/action areas.
Any ideas on hotels near the action areas is also good.
I will greatly appreciate any information on this. Thanks.
Sauna Misto E Ele E Ela,
Has anyone been to Salarium on their Sauna Misto nights or on Saturday when they have Ele E Ela?
I have been there several times when they had Sauna Misto where couples are allowed in and can swing with anybody they want to inside the Termas. I did see some couples and I did speak to some couples but I didn't get anything going.
I did walk in to the sauna and there was a girl in there with 3 guys, they were touching her on her breasts and she was pulling on one of the guys, she was pretty nice too. It didn't last long as I think they got spooked when I entered the sauna and they stopped. During that same day there were other women in the sauna but nothing going on.
I have heard that sometimes this is where the action is, in the sauna but I really didn't see any. I got bored and just grabbed one of the in house modelos and of course that was fine.
Also on Saturday nights the Salarium hosts the swing club Ele E Ela where only couples are allowed in and there are no modelos the night is completely for swingers. I always thought of bringing a friend from Help and checking out what is going on there, has anybody on this board had that experience?
Member #1121
11-13-03, 04:41
Leo,
Thanks a lot for all the information. It was very niformative.
What kind of cover charge does HELP have? R25 or more? Also what is the price of a drink in a terma?
Thanks.
Just arrived in Rio today...a four hour nap and I am ready...alas, it is early evening and nothing is going on yet....and too late to go to the termas. I am not interested in sword fights.
Help charges 15 R from 11 to 12 then at 12 it is 25 R.
Drinks in Help and the termas are very reasonable by US and Brazil standards. Note: Smiroff Ice here is made with Smiroff Vodka....I don´t care for the US version...love it here.
Safety....think three letters C-A-B. Take cabs, they are cheap and safe.
The Rio Ross is the hotel nearest Help (one block) and is one block from the beach. I am in an apartment 100 yards from Help and one block off the beach.
I only use credit cards at very, very nice restaurants and never at termas, Help, or sidewalk restaurants. The ATM card is the key...best exchange rate going.
Looking forward to a great meal this evening...a little chica watching from Terraco Atl. and then dive into Help. May the force be with me.
Life is good.
I will be in Rio the first week of December. Who else will be there?
Come and say hello to me.
Youll know me, Ill be the old guy in Help dancing with a loira or 2 from Santa Catarina. Having the time of my life.
Actually Im not a termas type of guy but maybe this trip (first week of December) I will have to check out Centauraus in order to join the debate. As I always have heard that they have the nicest girls. I did walk in the door once and was turned off by their policy of paying upfront and so much more but Im going to have to try the place once.
I usually just like to hang out at the beach during the day and party till 3 or 4 in Help.
Ill be at HO beach the first week of December 2003.
I do want to ask Saint about VIP's and that girl from COMPANY website. Or anybody else any info on VIP's, do you tell the escort to meet you there or did you go there with them?
Grshel1,
See you in about 9 days. Save some for me. :)
Moondog
RIO – Introduction
The flight was the usual long ordeal but I was able to sleep from DFW to Miami and then get another five or so hours of sleep from MIA to GIG. Being in one of the seats towards the rear of the plane the lines at customs were long. I was passed through without a blink which is always good. With the time changes and the later flight out of MIA I did not get to the apartment until noon. A quick meal was in order and then I planned on hiting a terma. Alas, the nap gods nailed my old butt. A four hour nap and I was ready to go. That is good. No, that was bad. It was still too early to go anywhere and too late to do a terma.
I had a decent meal at Teraco Atl with a nice bottle of charrdonay. The eye candy continued to improve as the opening hour for Help approached. I spent some time talking with a few British sailors that were new in Rio and here for a week. They were thrilled to learn the pricing standards and amazed that almost all of the women in view were available. I do think those young men will enjoy Rio.
I met a couple of nice look ladies before going into Help and ran into them again inside. To make a long story short, we all three ended up in my apartment for a total of 300 R. They had started their pricing at 300 R each. The dupla was great and I did enjoy. The only drawback was CBJ only. Both did like the DATY with Vigel. Afterwards I almost lost it in laughter when one lady offered me her business card. I mean it has her name, her phone and her e-mail. She looked at me and said, “I am a business woman.” True she is. Taisa Abreu...very short black hair, short, and huge natural mammaries. The other lady was short, blond hair, average build, and very sensual. A nice way to ease into the mongering in RIO.
OH, it rained during my nap and last night....all the better for some much needed sleep and rest.
Life is fantastic.
Grshel1,
You're killing me, Im going to be in your shoes exactly come Nov 29 going forward for 10 days. How far is your apartment from Help? I read recently in O Globo that they have a new police force patroling on horseback and walking on the beach undercover, do you see any results of this? Plus they have new cameras on Copacabana to detect petty theft.
Sounds like you had s good deal with 300 reais for a dupla, how long did they stay?
At night walking back to your apartment after Help how is the atmosphere, do you feel safe?
My apartment is 100 meters from the front door of Help. The last two nights I have felt safe walking home from Help, but have not seen added security to speak of. The large hotel one block from Help has finished their remodeling of the lobby and it is now open to the beach side...I do think that has helped. As far a cameras to catch petty thiefs...I don´t think so. I do keep my eyes open, pockets empty except for minimal cash, and avoid groups, but it is only 100 meters. OH...the shit flinger got me today. They are enough to make one avoid Rio all together.
Grshel1,
It's true about the cameras, the Rio police have very new technology of cameras posted around various sites in Copacabana where they can see the theives and call a police officer near by to go and catch him. They are in front of hotels and various shops. They can take a panaramic view or a closeup.
The hotel you are talking about I assume is the Rio Othon Palace that has renovated their lobby, its about time that hotel has been needing a fix up in years but I will never stay there again as I stayed there in 1997 and they wouldn't let me bring any girls in in the evening or my grandmother for tea in the afternoon. I pre paid in the US so I couldn't leave so I took a second room at the Debret and kept them both going because I was tired of going to temparados.
Grshel1, who did you get your apartment from?
My favorite restaurant near Help is Don Camillo.
Siqueria Compos
A poster below previously mentioned the "Termas" that are in the office buliding at the corner of Sequeria Compos and NS de Copacabana. I have been to them on a tour with a friend of mine. They are low rent, basically just office suites set up with cubicles and several girls to choose from but nothing that I liked. But if you go to the corner of Sequeria Compos and NS de Copacabana and make a left and go past that big office building the next big white building on your left. Go in the building take the elevator to the second floor and get off and go left down the hallway on both sides right and left there are 2 doors both of them are Termas. These are different types then Monte Carlo or Solarium but they offer a different type of girl a more innocent type which is less professional looking. One that may have told her Mother she was out babysitting for the day. I had a couple in both places and it was very interesting, this may be something you want to check out.
Hello Grshel1,
My apartment was also very close to Help. It is the closest apartment building you could get.
I left Help one night last week around 2:00AM with a lady friend, and when we got to the front gate of the apartment we were swarmed by 10 small kids (about 7 years of age) begging for money. In the process one of the small girls spit on my lady friends left arm while another kid tried to steal her purse on her right arm. They almost got away with it, but my friend felt the tug on her right shoulder.
From then on, I would carry my friend’s purse like a football (USA version) from Help to my apartment. I spent several nights with her.
On another note, there is a homeless family living in front of the ITAU Bank, close to the intersection of Rua Djalma Urich on Copacabana Avenue, 2 blocks from Help. If you have any food left over from you meals, tell the waiter you want the food “viagi” and he will bag it up for you. That family will be more than happy to take it.
Pop till you drop,
Hojo
Hojo,
Those kids around Help are such a nusience. I hate when you pull up to Help in a taxi and they open the door for you. After you get out of the taxi they are all over you looking for a tip and trying to pick your pocket or steal something.
Now when I pull up in a taxi in front of Help I lock all the doors, I pay the taxi driver and then when they think I am ready to get out on their side I slide over to the other side near the street and get out of the taxi real quick then run to the entrance of Help or where I am going. By the time they figure out what happened they are on to the next taxi.
I am also surprised to see that these kids are still there and about that homeless family because there has been a program underway to remove the homeless from the tourist areas and these kids. I guess some things will never change.
I think we were in the same apartment and the same ten kids approached me one evening while standing outside the entrance. The doorman buzzed me in and that avoided a lot of problems. My apartment was through Don and Rhonda....apt 503 at 71 what ever the name of the street behind Help is called.
Don Camillo is a great restaurant. The food at Terrac Atl is not bad.
What is worse than begging kids is the shit slingers. They got me already this trip....they are enough to make me quit coming here and head to BA.
Hello Grshel1,
What is a shit slinger? I hope its not what I think it is.
Hello Grshel1,
I got hit by a shit slinger and did not know what happened. On a very windy day on Avenida Atlatica( very hard to hear if someone is walking behind you), I think what you call a shit slinger got me on my shoe. He was a shoe shiner trying to get my business. He slung shit onto my shoe and then offered to fix it. He wouldn't discuss price. While he was cleaning my shoe I put 2 and 2 together and realized I got had. I threw him a R$10 to prevent an incident and walked away while he tried to clean the other shoe. He pestered me for about 200 feet.
He came back up to me and showed me R$72 on his shoebox. I shrugged him off.
What a jerk. This happened on my way back from Restaurant Sindicato to Help about a week ago. By the way Sindicato has very good food and some beautiful non-pro women there in the evenings.
Pop till you drop,
Hojo
All this talk about a shit slinger is very funny to me because a couple of years ago I had 2 dogs in NY and the sneakers I wore to Rio were the sneakers I wore walking my dogs. My sneakers had shit on them from NY from my dogs and it is the same guy who cleaned my sneakers and I was happy to meet him. It is the same guy because I see him all the time to this day. And he charged a lot of money but I thought it was worth it because he cleaned the shit on my shoes in Rio from my dogs in NY.
Well, since someone mentioned BA...
They play tricks there too. The shit slingering is a classic one, in which they'll try to pickpocket you. But a legist shoe shining is just 1 peso, or about 1 reais. One guy reported his CC stolen while he was attending some business in a sauna, and gunpoint robberies are known to happen, altough generally aimed at business and not individuals. Then there's a variety of schemes/frauds and so on, that have been greatly depicted in the movie, 'the nine queens', but for the most part these really belong to fiction only.
Anyway, I haven't been to Rio yet I can surely say Buenos Aires is safe, and a much more controlled environment. Crime fighting is becoming a first priority and I want to hope to some effect. I haven't been never hassled by anyone and even kid panholding is contained. You see people and kids doing incredibly heavy, dirty work in the streets (cartoneros), yet they mantain very decent clothes and a civil attitude. Don't be afraid to be close to them as they aren't, by any means, bad people.
This off-topic stuff should really go in the dedicated section
Hojo,
Where is Sindicato?
Night Crawler
11-17-03, 23:00
Hi,
Luckilly I´ve never run into any o the shit-slingers but I´ve heard abut them. Lucky for you it was on the shoe and not on your shirt or something like that because I´ve heard that happens as well. But then they work in pair and someone else offers to clean it up for you while you get ripped off.
I thought I'd add a report since by now I´ve been arround the block a few times.
First a few regular joints. I know there was a discussion earlier about Cozumel and whether it was good or not and I tried it last Friday and had a blast. Nice service and fun crowd.. Not as nice looking as the crowd you get in e.g. Baronetti but genuine and I cant´t realy judge from on time. I was there on a Friday and the staff was great took care of me, got me free drinks and even let me cut in line when paying. They even got me a good deal with a taxi-guy friend of theirs for the trip back home. Really great service. Low cover charge too.
Baronetti is probably the place I visit the most with a good crowd on Fridays and Saturdays but the cover charge for guys is realy high. I think R65$ and half of that is pure entrance fee. Also they make you wait at the entrance for a long time until they think enough girls have entered hich can be frustrating.
Guapo Loco: It sucks, don´t go there. To small and packed. A hole in the wall with no atmosphere, no place to talk and no place to move. Maybe OK if you go there to eat but wasn´t my cup of tea..
Nuth: Greatly Overrated. Sucky and WAAAAAY to loud music. And the people there are no fun and not approachable like on all the other places I´ve been.
By the way, is it just me or do the DJs here really suck? Most of them play weird ass shit with an added drumbeat and it really sounds awful. Some of them would be better of just putting a CD on and leaving.
Now the last report comes from L´oumo which was a real positive surprise. Nice looking girls, mostly 7s but as low as 5s and as high as 8s were available. The girl in the reception spoke english and explained everything to me and one of the bartenders spoke english fluently. I have to ask hm a bunch of stuff next time I go there. I wonder If you can get the girl to dress up the way you like, and if the girls get tested for VDs, or is that extra?
I chose a beautiful girl Called Diane and we went to sit in the corner, have our drinks and make out like crazy. She had a great atitude and I would recomend her to anyone. The shows as such weren´t that good really. To me the whole point is to choose a girl. get to check her out a bit and then just go for a room.
Since this was my first time I was quite nervous but as soon as Diane got her hands on me I was as relaxed as ever.
After making out for maby 40 minutes and watchng the shows I asked her to get us a room and she showed me where to freshen up while she did the same. When she was done..she came and got me and we got to the a suite, the one you come to just when you open the door to the suite area.
After that we proceeded making out some more and I fingered both her pusy and her as, both were surprisingly tight and she started to suck my dick like a good girl.. She couldn´t quite get it all down but she was close.
The next fun incident was that she wanted me to fuck her without a condome and put some moition-loition on my dick.. I said -Hold on I´ve got a condome, and she readilly accepted it.
Problem was I had to get cleaned off cause the lubrication would have made me loose it after one thrust, so I hurried and washed up. Didn't get it all off since after 30 minutes of fuckng or so I pulled out and the condom remained inside. She wanted me to continue but I had her brin me off orally instead. Overal a great experience, she gets an 8 overall. Great atitide and amazing ass and legs. Unfortunately not very big breasts. Of course no holes barred.
Thats my 2 cents for this time.
Which o the Thermas had the Jerk working the door? I'm thinking of trying Monte-Carlo next.
Take Care
N
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Another minor scam is with the guy who sells the lottery tickets. As you walk by him he pretends that he accidently dropped one of his lottey tickets that he sells and he tries to impress upon you that it is good luck for you and you should buy it.
Hey Grshel1 I don't know how much longer you have in Rio but you said you like good restaurants, have you tried Porcao's Rio in Flamengo or Satyricon in Ipanema great Italian seafood restaurant or Mio's in Ipanema on Farme de Moeda.
RIO – Day 2-5
Rather than post each day and cover the same things lots of other reports have, let me give you some capsules of what is going on:
1. Lots of cloudy weather, but the weekend was sunny with big crowds on the beaches and in Help.
2. Exchange rate is looking better. Use the ATM´s for the best rates.
3. NFL football at the Marriott is on big, wide, HDTV...available to all...but drinks are stateside costs.
4. The number of new ladies in Help lend credence to a great farm system.
5. I am amazed at the number of ladies in 4X4 that not only remember me from two months ago, they even remember my name.
6. Have heard some horror stories of muggings, being robbed at gunpoint by cops, but have seen nothing but homeless folks sleeping on the sidewalk and a few kids begging around Help.
7. The food is still excellent and cheap.
8. The sessions are still wonderful and cheap.
9. Prices at Help remain the same, but the ladies always want to start high. Bargain them down to 150-200 R.
10. Life is good.
grshel1 says:
5. i am amazed at the number of ladies in 4x4 that not only remember me from two months ago, they even remember my name.
that is part of the lcn, latin chica network. with their 1,000,000 gb memories, they never forget. they are all connected by a fiber optic system between their minds, mouths, and cell phones, and the information travels with the speed of light. :)
see you soon,
moondog
Rabo Verde
11-18-03, 19:18
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Rabo Verde
11-18-03, 19:19
"I am amazed at the number of ladies in 4X4 that not only remember me from two months ago, they even remember my name." This is very helpful as I sometimes forget my name when I am in the Termas...
I just put a good little post in the S.P. section that some of you vets might enjoy.
Happy Hunting,
JW
Rabo Verde
11-19-03, 01:43
Went to Help last night at 10 P.M. Met an LBFM with BH/BE and a TLP and PONT. She wanted $$ for ST, I offered $ for TLN. DEAL! She was a RGF!!! Don't remember her name but she is the 12th girl from the back bar, in the red dress. You guys should try her!
Samba Dancer
On my last trip to Rio on my last night I went to Help and wanted to find something special. I spotted a nice blond all dressed up with a dress on nice legs and big voluptious lips. She was dancing with a friend I went over and talked to her and commented on her lips and she told me exactly what she can do with them, exactly what I was thinking.
After some drinks, dancing and kissing I decided to leave with her as we walkd to the exit I spotted a cute little girl with white skin and brown hair with shorts on and sneakers with an I love NY T shirt on. She caught my eye but I kept leaving with my choice.
Outside of Help was its usual mob scene, people runnung up to you asking if you want a taxi, to buy flowers, to buy chicklets and who knows what else. My girl the blond goes and talks to 2 men, she motions to me and tells me they are friends of her and they will taxi us to my hotel. I told her I don't need a taxi as my hotel is only a block away. I thought this response would have been enough but she continued to talk and continued to insist on the ride. Through the confusion I managed to slip away and decided this uncooperative garota is history.
She finds me as I am making my way back into Help and she has a fit right in front of Help and now we are both screaming at each other in front of Help I told her to get lost that she has a problem and I don't want any part of her. She says to me that she will stop and lets go to my hotel. I told her forget it but by now she signals for 2 guys behind me to help her out. I turn around to watch them and they tell her that they won't help. Well to make a long story short I give her money to get back into Help but she stays outside.
I go back into Help and run into the girl with the I love NY T shirt on. I tell her I love NY too and she responds in perfect english. Sine this was my 10th night in Help and I had never seen her before I asked her if she came here often. Her answer was no I am a virgin. Well we left again to go to my hotel. She has a car parked in the garage of the disco, we get in the car and I notice a case in the back seat. She tells me this is her dancing costume, that she does Samba shows for tourists and she is a ballerina. I told her to take the case up to my room and give me a show.
When we got into the room she dressed up for me in this wild costume, danced all over and after that the sex was incredible, she was tiny and she was tight and this was my 10th night in Rio. Usually of my last night it is difficult to finish the job but this tight thing was so good I finished several jobs quickly. She stayed the night and I hope to see her next week when I arrive in Rio again.
Rio Bob,
Nice move dumping the first garota with her thug friends. Glad you used your instinct.
The T shirtl girl sounds great.
Moondog
Ok, what the hell are some of you guys thinking????
I was just told that there is an American man here in Rio, (most of you know him) that is talking some of you into buying apartments here in Rio as rentals. That much I can understand and actually encourage.
This guy is graciously offering to manage the apartments for you and he’s taking 50% of all the rental fees he collects….. I can’t understand why, when others are only asking 25-30%. The contract he is getting some of you to sign ….. (Now this is the part that floored me), after 10 years the ownership of the apartment actually reverts to HIM…
What the hell are some of you thinking!!!!!!!! If you are interested in buying an apartment in Rio and renting it out you CAN MAKE A BETTER DEAL WITH JUST ABOUT ANYONE......
Rabo Verde
11-20-03, 04:08
Gee that sounds like a GREAT DEAL!!!!
Can I buy some Magic Beans too????
Rabo Verde
11-21-03, 07:23
If you want to see Rio AND Buenos Aires, check out the Internet only sale at www.varig.com. Can do combined trip from Miami or LAX for about $600.
Dear Chuponalgas ,
Thats is a great rate for both cities. I went to the site and couldn't find the package. Can you please tell me where on the site I can read about this.
Thanks in advance.
Hi folks!
I am looking for detailled travel reports about 80 year old Vila Mimosa. Of course I already checked the Rio section of the WSG here but couldn't find too much interesting info, except where it is (on Rua Sotero dos Reis, near Praça da Bandeira in Zona Norte of Rio) and that its a 24/7 place (more or less). I know that it's Rio's largest prostitution place with around 70 houses (about 10 rooms each) that are assembled to look like a run down shopping center. Up to 2000 men visit that place every day I know and that several hundred girls are working there I've learned. A room there costs 5 Rs and a girl not (too) much more (20 Rs for 20 min.). Unfortunately, their website isn't working anymore. Soooo.... BEYOND the info above, what are your experiences (girls, safety and so on)?
Who has experienced VM perosnally lately (not just from hearsay like me) and can provide to us more useful info: I've read that some French tourists were held at gunpoint there this summer. Would you recommed VM to us?
Charly,
You asked for experiences of Vila Mimosa.
Girls: Some official reports says that there are up to 1500 girls working there occasionally (sounds a bit to much to me). The majority of the girls are not attractive. They look worned out, which is understandable considering the number of clients they attend every day. However there are also some very beautiful girls to be found.
Safety: I think the only danger you might pass is going to, or leaving, V M. You can avoid it by taking a cab.
Good thing: So great just to sit down there and observe the scene. It's wild, fun and lively.
Bad things: Some rooms are just to filthy. Can also be annoying when they call down the girl, from your room, before your time ended.
Recommend? Yes, definitely worth a visit. If you find the standard of the girls to low, the rooms to filthy or the whole area disgusting, then at least you got yourself a new experience.
Personally, I love the place!
Charly,
2 friends of mine visited VM while we were in Rio. (I was to tired from earlier excursions) Anyway they both loved VM. And they both said there were some decent looking women there.
Both guys warned though that they wouldn't dare go to VM by themselves. At least have a friend or 2 down there with you.
Thanks (ex-) Sperto!
A couple more questions:
Is it true that you can enter some of the better houses at VM only with an ID? Is a copy of a passport sufficient?
Can you recommend any special places at VM?
What's the best (safest, best selection of girls etc.) time to get there? Is 3 PM an OK time? Is it really going round the clock? Sundays are busy?
Tchau,
Carlos
Charly,
I don't think there are any "better" houses at VM. I can't imagine anybody asking you for ID.
Safest time is daytime, but you will have less girls to choose between. I think between 5 and 8 PM is a good time to go there. The new shift arrived with girls eager to work.
If you go there at 3 PM you'll propably have to look a lot to find a suitable girl.
Sundays might be very busy if there has been a football game at Maracana.
Special places? I have a few favourite casas where I found my girls. There are also many casas where I never found anything interesting at all. I guess it all depends what new girls that arrived. Unfortunately some of the cutest girls don't stand working at VM to long.
Go there and check it out! Be nosy and have patience and you'll be lucky.
Cheers
RIO – Day 6 – 9
Spring time in Rio means clouds, wind and rain. A couple of days were really hot, over 95, last night was long sleeve shirt weather. I finally got out of Rio itself with a little side trip to Buzios. It is a three hour bus ride north and east of Rio. The bus ride costs all of 35 R roundtrip. Seeing the country side and how folks live in Brazil was quite interesting. The village of Buzio was once a sleepy little fishing village. Today it is a busy tourist mecca without the beggars, dirt, and homeless. Lots of good places to eat, clean beaches, and spartan accomodations at the local inns. It was well worth the time and energy to see something besides Rio. For mongering....take your own.
The number of mongers in town is increasing as we approach the Thanksgiving weekend. I have met several from the forum that were only names and postings before. I must say, everyone from the forum that I have met in person is, without exception, a gentleman and a monger. I won´t list the names to protect the guilty(and innocent), but it is nice to see fellow mongers in town.
Help was so crowded last night (Saturday) that I felt obligated to do my part and leave so there would be at least a couple of square feet for someone to move. I think it is the largest crowd I have ever seen inside. Outside was also crowded. Inside there were definitely more women than men, outside the reverse was true. Reminded me of the middle school parties were all the girls are on one side and the boys are on the other. I am sure a goodly number of the folks were able to pair off before the night was over.
Thursday was a holiday here, again. That translates to the downtown termas being closed. One hapless monger went directly from the plane to 4X4, luggage in one hand, and I can guess what in the other hand. Not only was the placed closed, but they also had the steel door down. He commented that a tear did well up in his eye as he looked at the barrier between him and heaven on earth.
With the sun out today, the my plan is to walk along Copa beach, camera ready, one eye watching for shit slingers, and time the trek to end at the Marriott around four to watch a couple of football games. Note: we are three hours ahead of Eastern time so the first game is at four. The second game should be over in time to grab something to eat, then try Help again. Sunday night should be a lot slower.
Life is just wonderful.
Thanks again Sperto! You're really an excellent source of information on the Rio board!
I learned about that ID thing some time ago I believe in O Globo. Anyway: I'll leave my PP in the hotel safe. I normally carry a photo copy of my PP with me anytime anyway when I am outside the US.
I'll definitely check out VM! I'll take a taxi and I guess it should be no problem to flag one down on my way back to Copacabana.
I'll definitively post my experiences here.
Since you're very familiar with the RJ scene Sperto: Do you know of any good places near Rio, like in Niteroi? (I'm adventurous, and though I do like Help, the Rio thermas, and even part of the SW scene, it would be great to experience something new, if you know what I mean).
Hope to hearing from you soon again - same place!
Obrigado, Carlos Carlinscos
Charly,
It's a good idea to always bring a copy of your passport with you in Brazil.
Good places near Rio? I'm not so found of the cities close to Rio. I prefer to head to to the north-east. You might enjoy a trip to Buzios, even though the city doesn't offer any spectacular adventures.
Grshel1
i'm interested in visiting Buzios. a little more info please:
how long did you stay there? how were the accomodations and how much did they cost? did you use one of the local travel agencies or did you just wing it? did you go during the week or weekend and how crowded was it? any nitelife in buzios? i'm planning on returning in mid january. :)
thanks in advance
Chingon,
I have been to Buzios several times in recent years and my first time there was in 1985. It is basically a place to bring your girlfriend but recently I went alone and met a woman that I believed had worked in Help in the past but I turned her down as she was not up too my standards. And last year I went with a girlfriend and met many available women there, go figure.
There is a bar in the center of town as you first walk into town on Rua das Pedras which is Buzios Centro. This place hops and I don't rememebr the name of it. But I was sitting there with my Brazilian girlfriend and we were meeting many people from all over the world. I spoke to a nice older Brazilian woman who worked in town in a shop but she invited me to her house on the beach. I didn't go because I was already with someone. She did point out 3 other women at the bar who were looking for men and Im sure looking for payment of course.
Buzios is 110 miles north east of Rio, I have gone by taxi and it has taken 2 hours each way. Taxi is about 80 - 100 dollars each way. Check out www.buziosonline.com for a list of hotel(pousadas). Last time I stayed at Collana Park and Bobby from blame it on Rio made the res for me and got me a great price, better that I could get by calling myself.
During the high season their summer, January to after Carnival the town is packed with tourists from all over the world be it Europe and middle class Brazilians all young beautiful and non pros except for a few exceptions. You can go there and take a chance in the clubs on your own for a non pro or hope to me a pro (very few but not impossuble) or you can take a girl you met in Help with you because they love to go there. Last year when I got back from Buzios with my non pro girlfriend my pro girlfriend's inside Help asked me where I had been, I told them Buzios and they said to me why didn't you take me, so I will next time.
Buzios has many Pousadas and about 22 different beaches which are all very different and some small and some big but everybody goes to Centro for happy hour and for dinner and late night partying. During the day everybody hangs on the beach and most beaches have restaurants with tables and chairs right on the sand with waiter service, its a great place.
There is a bus as Grshel1 mentioned below and it is cheap but takes a little longer and you pick it up at the Rio bus station Rodoviario and it drops you off in Buzios but not in front of your hotel.
Hotel prices vary but next time I will look into staying in Centro rather than at the beach so I can crawl home at night. Take a look at Brigitras guesthouse or Pousada Sol.
Would like to go to Rio, but need to get a visa. I read from the Brazil consulate web page that it costs $100. A friend told me that it is good for a long time, correct?
Do they issue the visa on a page in your passport? Unfortunately my passport will expire in 11 months and only has a few pages left anyway. Should I apply for a new passport and then apply for the Brasil visa?
My friend also says you need an airplane ticket and hotel reservation before you can apply for the visa. Is this correct?
I appreciate any advice you guys have on the visa topic.
I hear the passport has to be sent to Miami and it takes two days to have the visa approved.
Niteroi
"Since you're very familiar with the RJ scene Sperto: Do you know of any good places near Rio, like in Niteroi? (I'm adventurous, and though I do like Help, the Rio thermas, and even part of the SW scene, it would be great to experience something new, if you know what I mean)."
Im no expert on Niteroi but my Portuguese teacher is from Niteroi and I just asked her this week what is the best way to get back and forth to Niteroi if you wanted to do things there. Well they have the ferry of course but if you are thinking of going to a club late at night then you would have to take a taxi on both sides and on the Niteroi side there may not be as many taxis available as on the Rio beach side and I think the ferry dock is in Botofago. The best way to commute to and from Niteroi is by car either renting a car or a taxi which could get costly.
She also told me they have great beaches there which could be another experience outside of Copacabana.
Niteroi interest me too but I too have not figured out the logistics on how to get back and forth to Copacabana.
Another option is Barra de Tijuca which I think is easier to get to but then many people on this site has experienced Barra especially Nuth and other clubs like that and the reviews have been less than sterling.
When Im in Rio and I will be there next week I always try a couple of nights to go to non pro clubs first to test the waters. Before the night gets too late if I don't see anything promising I make it to Help for the last call. Its the best of both worlds, first you give it the old college try and then you go for the sure thing. I do end up with the sure thing on most nights but I have experienced that as my Portuguese progresses I am having more scores in the non pro world in Rio.
Next week I plan several nights in non pro clubs especially on the weekend but if I have no fish on the hook by 1 am I will be on my way to 3432 Ave. Atlantica Praia de Copacabana, RJ, Brasil.
Tchau e Boa Sorte.
Hello Npaul,
A visa is easy to get. It took about a week and a half to get mine, without rushing it. I did this two months ago. They do charge a $10 processing fee so the visa cost will be $110 total.
I also included a self addressed stamped envelope to hurry the process a little. I sent them a USPS Priority Mail envelope with the postage. When you buy this postage, make sure you tell the Postal Worker you will be using it as a self address stamped envelope. She said it makes a difference.
Also, depending on your location in the USA, you will have to send your application to your states designated office. Make sure the Miami office is your designated office. Go to this site to find your office:
http://www.braziltourism.org/visas.shtml
A note on the Miami office: It seems they only take calls in English between 4:00 and 5:00PM Eastern Standard Time. During this time I spoke to a person with very poor English Skills. Maybe you'll do better.
You do have to have a airline ticket purchased. I sent in a copy of my e-ticket and that was all they needed.
You'll probably be better off getting a new passport. There is a requirement on how many months left on your passport for you to get the visa, but I can't remember how much. Your visa is also good for 5 years, so might as well get all 5 years out of it with a new passport.
For the rest of the information for filling out a tourist visa:
http://www.brasilemb.org/consular_vitem1.shtml
Additionaly if you read this site, it requires you to get vaccinations if you have traveled to certain countries in the past few months.
Pop till you drop,
Hojo
Npaul:
i got my visa over a year ago. my passport with the visa expired this year. i got a new passport. i take both passports with me. i show the visa on the expired passport upon entry into brazil. and they stamp my current passport.
I feel an obligation to make a disparing comment or two about Help disco in Rio. With the holiday influx of Americans, Friday and Saturday night was packed...wall to wall people. Men looking for women, women looking for men, and even a few married or dating couples (surprised me too).
Sunday night I made the mistake of going in at 11:15. The place was almost empty of people. The air was rank, horrid, choking to breathe. I admit the far left bar has had a putrid smell for months and the small fans do nothing to slow the growth of mildew and mold. This time the entire place had the dank, fungal odors wasping from the beer soaked carpet, the fetid smell of spilled drinks mixed with the must of decomposing organic material challenged the senses. On top of this was the smell of minimal cleaning fluids, of polish and oil, and ever so faint a trace of cheap female perfume and male cologne. Added to the admixture of sicking odors was the occasional wisp of ammoniac, perspirant smells of the less than sanitary restrooms and the half hearted attempt to mask the stench with moth balls.
Alas, I stayed to finish my drink. The crowd began to arrive. I obtained a second drink (I had bought two chits upon arrival). The arriving crowd brought in new odors of freshly scrubbed ladies and gentlemen (I use the terms loosely) with their perfumes and colognes, the circulation of air as the air conditioners were hard pressed and working overtime, the renewal of the faux chase, all served to clear the fetid air if not clean the air. Perhaps my olfactory nerves were burning out, perhaps my desire for female companionship was overwhelming my intial revolt, perhaps the intoxication of seeing so many beautiful women clouded my thinking, perhaps the second drink was the key. Add to the crowd the heavy, repeating beat of the loud music, the sexual explicit gyrations of a multitude of Brazilian ladies, each shaking her shapely buttocks in a come hither manner, my head felt light as carnal dreams danced in my mind. Yes, this is Help for all its largeness, unabashed sexual overtones, promises of sexual pleasures (however brief), and the eternal fountain of youth for us old fart Americans that find our way inside.
Life is good!
GrabInBuns
11-25-03, 15:55
Has anyone been to the HaziendaVip Club? I am curious if it is worth checking out.
Grshel1,
You are enjoying the life.
Nice reports,
Moondog
Member #3407
11-25-03, 20:40
Hi Guys,
Some of you may know me from the Peru Forums where I have been an active contributor.
I'm about to leave Peru and embark on an extensive journey to Brazil. I will enter Brazil at the Peru-Leticia, Columbia-Tabatinga, Brazil frontier. From here I will journey via the Amazon River to Tefe, Manaus, to the Atlantic Coast (Belem). Next, I will head south along the coast to Rio, Argentina and continue to Paraguay and Boliva on my way back to Peru.
Does anyone have any experience with Manaus and remote areas along the Amazon River? If so, your input would be greatly appreciated.
Could some of my fellow mongers with experience in Brazil please let me know what I am in for and the best way to proceed?
In particular, I need to know the best way to change money. Are traveller's checks a good idea? I hear they charge commissions to exchange them. What about cash advantages on my Visa debit card? Any problems I should be aware of?
Also, what about visas for US citizens. How long can I stay in Brazil during a one-year period. I hear it is only 6 months and that you have to submit a bunch of paperwork and cash to the federal police after 3 months. Can anyone clarify this visa situation?
I really appreciate any help and advise that experienced brazilian mongers can give me.
DDM
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Dan,
Your visa information for US citizen is quite correct. You are granted multiple entry "tourist" visa, which is valid for 5 years from the date of your first entry. You are allowed 90 days of continuous stay without any problem. However, extension to 180 days requires further paperworks to be submitted to Federal Police (I am not exactly familiar with the kind of paperwork you need). To avoid hassel, your best bet is to cross the border every three months.
Make sure you know beforehand the transaction fee your bank will charge for withdrawing money in foreign country. This last trip, I used exclusively my ATM card for getting cash. After coming back to US, I found out my bank doubled the charge for each transaction beginning the 1st of October. In the process, I lost money on the overall exchange rate. Traveller's checks are generally not recommended, unless you are extremely uncomfortable in carrying dollar or ATM card.
Bandy
Bandy and Dan,
About extension of your visa. Extending the tourist visa at Policia Federal is easy.
1. Go to Policia Federal, paperwork.
2. Go to Banco do Brasil, pay a fee (in April 2003: 22 reais).
3. Go back to Policia Federal and get your new visa (90 days more).
P.S Dress properly when going to Policia Federal.
A new terma in Copa?
A friend of mine just came back from Rio. He tried a newly opened terma in Copa. It is called La Serena (Club Arpoador). The address is Rua Bulhoes de Carvalho, 21-Copacabana. Tel: (21)3813 1052/1053. This is near the intersection with Rua Francisco Otaviano - just next to a gas station. My friend liked the quality of the girls, although their numbers were limited. The place just opened and the Madam promised the number of girls will increase in couple of weeks. May be some mongers on ground can check this place out and do a detailed report, including pricing. Also, can somebody check whether this place charges a tourist surcharge.
Bandy
Hey Bandy,
I'll check it out and report back after arriving in Rio on December 6. Wow the archives and current postings from you senior mongers is just AWESOME. Thank you. I've spent the past 2 weeks reading, cutting, and pasting together a sweet iteniary. Wish I had more time to monger the remote areas of Brazil, like Nibu and JWadd, oh well, maybe next time.
Would anyone like to meet a fellow monger for some hobbying in Rio, I'll be there for about a week, then Sao Paulo for a week, and finally 4-5 days in BA. I'd be honored to buy lunch/dinner/drinks for hanging out a while with a fellow Rio monger!
BTW, I have been nailing a beautiful Peruvian doll these past couple of months. She lives in Boise now. Wow, what a passion for sex! Her talent for pleasing my carnal desires has prompted this trip to SA. Oh baby this is going to be NICE and NASTY!
Member #3407
11-30-03, 01:26
Thanks Sperto, Bandy, and Zidaho. I really appreciate the info.
A few more questions. Can I get dollars from Brazilian banks using my Visa ATM card? Where can I get the best exchange rate for converting dollars to reais?
With respect to immigration. If I leave the country and reenter every three months can I beat the limitation of staying only six months during any one-year period? Sounds too good to be true.
Thanks from your fellow monger,
DDM
P.S. I'm in Iquitos, Peru now getting ready to enter Brazil via the Amazon River. The girls here are living up to their reputation. Go to a club (e.g. Noa Noa) and they pick up the mongers, rather than visa-versa. You guys have got to check out the hot action here in Iquitos in the jungle!
Hey Dandaman,
I remember a post about the ATM exchange rate. In general yes, using ATM is the best. There is a little better rate achieved by opening a Citi Bank checking or savings account as there presence in SA is apparently stronger. I didn't get it opened soon enough before departure, it takes a couple of weeks to get the Citi Bank ATM card. Oh well I'll just pay extra and use my US Bank ATM card this time.
Cool, glad to hear you found hobby in the jungle! I'll check my maps I have no idea where the heck you are. Let me know if you make it through Rio or SP in the next few weeks, I'd love to hear some jungle stories.
Gee, just heard on news Rio had some major flooding Saturday and Sunday. Hope you mongers are keeping your feet dry, and raincoats handy.
Any mongers out there like to scuba dive? I'm setting up a day dive near Ubatuba, Ilah Das Couves, just south of Rio. Thanks to Nibu I'm also going to check out some of the 18th century cities, built from gold money; Ouro Preto, Mariana, Congonhas, and Sabara, finally end up close to Belo Horizonte for the night so mini me can do some sight seeing of his own!
Looking for some help! I am planning a little family vacation and wondering if there is good places to take a family ages 5, 7, 13, 16 and the wife to have family fun in Brazil.? Beach and tour stuff? But also is there any day time action that a father can go have some fun on his own? M.P., Bars and Short time house? What are some good places to stay? Any help would be great?
Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.
Rabo Verde
12-01-03, 06:04
With that size family, you would want to rent an apartment in Rio, cost $75-150 a day for a nice 3 bedroom. You could sneak off to the Termas for an hour at a time.
DanDaMan:
open a Citibank savings account and you'll get a ATM card at the time you open the account. Open a checking account and they'll mail you an ATM/debit card. you also get 4,000 FF miles with American Airlines just for opening a checking account. goto www.Citibank.com for a list of their branches in latin america. Opening an account in the US only requires $100, open an account in Brazil requires R3000!!!!!
Hey JimHart, I'm not very familiar with the area YET, however, check these sites: http://www.rioturismoradical.com.br/
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/location/latamer/brazil/top_twenty18.htm
Check out the second URL maybe Briget Bardot's Beach, a good family place, click on the map of top 20 places when you get to hte site. But I don't know how close to Copo. Maybe Leblon beach or Ipanema beach definitely close to Termas, though I don't know if those two are family oriented. Wish I could be more help.
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