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Rovnak
05-04-05, 06:19
Cachorro,

I am specifically asking about Sampa. Wow, your response is depressing.

I thought that previous threads had said that Brasilian businessmen just routinely expense a double so that they can entertain guests. But I had generally expected it was carte blanche on the guest, as long as you did not try to bring in two at a time. Still I asked and your response is appreciated even if it is an unfortunate response, particularly since I had two girlfriends I was hoping to entertain alternately.

So I guess this means one should really find a girl friendly place up front. Which leads to the other question. How does one find this out in advance? It seems like the list here is sketchy. Is anyone confident that it is consistent within a brand, like Parthenon? Parthenon and Mercure and Ibis are all part of Accorhotels, but they seem to have somewhat different internal branding. Too bad we don't have a sticky thread on this subject.

MoonDog
05-04-05, 08:26
So I guess this means one should really find a girl friendly place up front. Which leads to the other question. How does one find this out in advance?
Most all the hotels in Sao Paulo are guest friendly, just not two at a time. A few will try to charge a fee for guests.

The best way is to call the hotel, ask to speak to the reception, and ask them directly.

Moondog

Prosal
05-04-05, 09:45
In Sao Paulo, I usually stay in Parthenons Privilege or Colonnades, both in Moema ; in both, the reception staff have NEVER bothered me with girls IDs, as they've never charged me for additionnal guests, even when I come back from Love Story at 7am with two garotas (which is quite frequent). Parthenon Excellence in Pinheiros is good too, and girl-friendly as well.

Parthenons, being aparthotels, don't apply the same rules than traditionnal hotels like Mercure or Ibis concerning the number of guests allowed at the same time.

Anyway there's in SP a new Marriott Serviced Apartments, which seems VERY nice, with a perfect location in Itaim Bibi, and that I plan to book for a one month stay. The rates on the on-line reservations are way too high and IMO can be cut to half by calling directly. Report to follow. http://marriott.com/property/propertypage.mi?marshaCode=SAOER

About Parthenons in Rio, I've been staying in Parthenon Queen Elisabeth, Parthenon Arpoador, and in the recently open Parthenon Long Stay Botafogo (which is cheaper and as good) ; in all of them, girls IDs are always checked at the reception, but there's no extra fee. BTW and always about Rio they'll open later this year a new one on the northern side of the Lagoa, in Jardim Botanico, which could be good too. I like this area, tourists-free.

Hope this help.

Pro

Rovnak
05-04-05, 17:17
Thanks Pro,

Based on my experience at the Mercure's I suspect at those places it may depend on who is working the desk. Whereas, as you say, the aparthotels may have a guest friendly policy.

I am considering the Parthenon The World which is in Vila Olimpia / Itaim Bibi. Are you familiar with it at all? I was in that area visiting my favorite clinica The Palms so this would be convenient for some daytime strolls. At night I take cabs so it doesn't really matter where I am, but this location seem pretty centrally located.

The Jardim Paulista area was very nice, and I wouldn't mind being back there, but it wasn't so special. I suspect other places are intersting as well.

What are your reasons for normally staying in Moema and what are your reasons for intending to stay in Itaim Bibi in future? I have noticed that you are a fairly big spender so I assume that you would not recommend any Parthenons that are dumps? The Parthenon St. Germain frankly was totally worn out and musty. But as I have said it is the oldest Parthenon in chain. Do the two Parthenons that you have experience with in Moema compare reasonably with the Mercure's in terms of room modernity?

Junior
05-04-05, 18:52
I stayed at the new Marriott in march. Nice aparthotel with good bright rooms and nice furniture.

Staff was cool with guests and I never had any problems - well except the night when the receptionist looked twice as hot the girl I had picked up - almost felt tempted to ask them to change jobs for a few hours.

Only downside is that they do not offer 24 hour roomservice if you fancy a snack after the deed.

All in all I would certainly recommend staying there.

Prosal
05-04-05, 19:31
The Parthenon Times Square Colonnades, which is located Rua Jamaris in Moema (at the same location you'll find also the Times Square Diamond which is a few clicks behind) is from what I know the most luxurious Parthenon in town. It's anyway the most expensive, this being relative, as the rates are only 20/30 reals higher than the other ones. The one rooms apartments are very modern and clean, with wooden floors, nice bathrooms, ect .... really nice. Yet swimming pool is so-so and shaded.

It's in front of the Music Hall where there's often good concerts, and at walking distance to Ibirapuera Mall, which is very convenient for day-time strolls. There's many restaurants around, and Bahamas is really close, as Moulin Rouge on Av Bandeirantes /Santo Amaro and many other clubs and MPs ; neighbourhoods like Itaim, Vila Olimpia, Brooklin (Cafe Gauguin is my headquarters before hitting Centro and Love Story) and Jardins are close too. Yet Pinheiros (Bomboa) and Centro are quite far.

Anyway Moema, Itaim Bibi and Pinheiros are the best and most lively areas to stay in SP. I've never stayed in Parthenon The World but Itaim is nice and you can't be wrong with the location.

Hope this help

Pro

Prosal
05-04-05, 19:36
Junior, thanks for the report.

What kind of rate did you get at the Marriott Apartments, have you any information about their long stay (one month) discounted rates ?

Thanks for those precisions.

Pro

Junior
05-05-05, 06:05
Junior, thanks for the report.

What kind of rate did you get at the Marriott Apartments, have you any information about their long stay (one month) discounted rates ?

Thanks for those precisions.

Pro

I stayed for only a few nights booked through their corporate website. I think it was app. US$ 130 a night or so. I did not look into long stay rates.

Genghis Khan
05-05-05, 09:24
Do these aparthotels have a concierge?

GK

Junior
05-05-05, 10:43
I don't think they have a dedicated concierge, but the reception staff were very helpful when I had questions reg. the city, restaurants etc.
I am sure they will call and make reservations for you if you do not speak portuguese, if that is your interest.
Most of the staff spoke english, including the young lady who cleaned my apartment.

Bubba Boy
05-06-05, 19:21
the question in regards to sampa is a valid one. sampa is a large flat city (well mostly) and with the endless rows of similar buildings quite hard to locate yourself. it is not like rio or a new york where you can always look up at a landmark and know where you are.

i have only stayed about 3 weeks in total in sampa and to me the main action occurs in centro around the kilt/love story area where there are maybe a dozen clubs. then the big and expensive clubs (bomboa , cafe photo etc) are all rep001tered around the jardin's areas to the south west, and large area maybe 10kms by 10kms.

i personally prefer to stay at the mercure downtown in centro which is in the same street as love story and 2 blocks from kilt/cocktail/mylove etc. great hotel for the price at only r120 per night if booked over the internet. the same hotel in rio would cost about r200 and in europe probably 250euros. i tend to find staying out in the south west a little "bland".

Rovnak
05-08-05, 07:03
pluto2 put together a very good post called "work in progress 5.0" which is a about 6 pages back in this forum. he lists the various places that are concensus favorites. try reading that and cross referencing with map.

the only place in sampa with a true red light concentration of adult entertainment places is the centro. the other bairos all have boites and clinicas but they are usually a cab ride from each other. these are rep001tered in pinheiros, moema, brooklin, etc. the jardins itself does not have many places that i know of. but a lot of mongers like to stay there because it is safe with good restaraunts and relatively close to enough entertainment.

Rovnak
05-08-05, 09:10
This club looks to be very high end. Its located by Shopping Ibirapuera. It may be a recently opened club.
The gpguia first entry is only from June 2004.
Reviews: Todos TD (16) TD NEUTRO (0) TD POSITIVO (14) TD NEGATIVO (2)

Maybe Pro is familiar with it?

http://www.akaza.com.br/fotosakasa.htm

Check out those suites. If the girls are equally high end, might be worth checking out. Looks like they average about 40 girls each night.

From gpguia the breakdown on prices:
AKAZA Club
ENDEREÇO: Alameda dos Pamaris, 83 Moema
TELEFONES: (11) 5092-5975 / 5542-5136
ENTRADA: R$90 sendo R$40 consumíveis R$10 couvert artístico R$40 entrada
SUÍTES: R$59 à R$89
GAROTAS: à partir de R$150 por 1:00 no local, algumas chegam estourando de R$300 até R$500, tem que negociar direto com a GP.
PROMOÇÃO: até 10/12/2004 de 2a. e 6a. feira a entrada é liberada se vc imprimir o cupom no site deles e apresentar na recepçã

Rovnak
05-08-05, 09:33
I wrote to at least one of the Parthenons and asked explicitly if I could have guests for no extra charge and the answer was "yes, no problem".

Also here are the Parthenons and their dates of construction. As you can see, only the St. Germain and the Les Jardins are long in tooth. The rest are all pretty recent vintage.


Parthenon Central Towers 2001
Parthenon Saint Germain 1985
Parthenon Les Jardins 1990

Pinheiros
Parthenon the Excellence 2000

Villa Mariana
Parthenon Saint Lawrence 2000

Itaim Bibi
Parthenon the Town 1999
Parthenon Executive One 2000
Parthenon the World 2001
Parthenon the Must 1998
Parthenon Royal Brooklin 2000

Moema
Parthenon le Corbusier 2001
Parthenon Stella Vega 2001
Parthenon the Privillege 2000
Parthenon Times SQ Colonnade 2000

Santo Amaro
Parthenon Nacoes Unidas 2000

Hey Pro, any idea why the Times SQ Colonade rates are like 20R per night higher than the Times SQ Diamond?
They seem to have exactly the same address - Av. Jamaris, 100. You have mentioned staying at Colonade. Have you checked out Diamond? Is Colonade significantly better?

Prosal
05-09-05, 15:57
You're right, both are the same adress, yet Colonnades is significantly better than Diamond, worth the extra 20 reals IMO.

Never been to Akaza ; it's now on my to-do list !!

Cheers

Pro

Surfing71
05-11-05, 13:37
This is my first post on this forum, though I am a great user, many thanks to all the other members.

I spent a full week in Sampa (last week) and these are my findings.

I arrived on Sunday so the only viable option for sunday night was Bahamas. I went to Bahamas on Sunday at 19h and went back to the hotel (Gran Melia) with the girls. The girl was OK. We agreed on 200 + 100 exit fee. I though it was 200 R$ and the girl had 200 US$ in mind. but she accepted the 200R$. very nice

On Monday, I moved from Gran Melia hotel (They ask for 75 R$ to let the girl go in the room, so stay away from that hotel) to Gran Estanplaza, just in front of Cafe Gauguin. At 23h, I went to Cafe Gauguin. extremly slow action. there were max 10 girls. quality was low. I talked to two or three girls, but none of them accepted uncovered BJ. I Finally found a pro. she asked for 300 R$ and we stayed 2 hours in the hotel room. fair.

Tuesday, re-cafe Gauguin, extremly slow action same situation as monday.
Decided to go back with two girls I was discussed with. they accepted 350 R$ for two girls and two hours. In the Hotel room, they wanted to be paid in advance (what I did) they eated, and then refused uncovered BJ. I took 200 R$ back and asked them to feel free to go. so no action on tuesday, despite mini 400 R$ (150 left to the girls + 90 entry fee + 120 exit drinks for the girls + my beers).

Wednesday, decided to go to Bomboa. Full of people. good atmosphere. Took a nice girl back at the hotel, pay the girl 400 R$. good sex skill, refused uncovered BJ because piercing on the tonge. After all 400R$ was to much for skill, bahaviour and time (who said I am dummy?)

Thursday, Bomboa again at 20H. something really strange happened. at around 10 PM, All the girl suddenly chenge their clothes to wear blue jeans and "standard" clothes (instead of being half or totally necked). I asked a girl what was happening and she said the federal police was arriving in the club. 30 min later, all the girls were asked to got out from the club: nightmare at the club entrance. Men could not exit. After 1 hour in the queue and after all the girls went out, I paid my 100 R$, took a taxi back to my Hotel (in front of Cafe Gauguin) and decided to stop and see the action in Gauguin. Again, slow action. Took a girl for 300R$ (this time she accepted BBBJ). she was very GF and average body.

Friday, was tired from a long working day. went agin to gauguin, thinking that friday was probably a good day. I entered the club at around 22h. Exremely slow action, less than 10 girls. Took one that was extremly cute and looked friendly. agreed on 300$. she promised BBBJ. in the room, after a good diner from Room service, refused BBBJ, and said my penis was to big for her. she asked If I had a cream for lubrification (we are not talking greek!!!). I said no. I asked her when she wanted, she was unable to respond, saying it was my fault because I did not have the cream; I asked to give my money back and get out. She started to cry. As I cannot afford to see a woman crying, I asked her to give me only part of my money. she showed some pictures of her song and bla bla bla, I asked to go, she said she wanted know to have sex and I refused I just let her go with the monney.

As a conclusion Cafe Gauguin does not appear to such a good place and I am not lucky (police in Bomboa). also, stay away from Gran Melia if you do not want to pay 75$ extra for a guest.

Member #4351
05-11-05, 15:26
Just found out that I have to go to Sao Paulo for an event the second week in June. It is being held in the Expo Center Norte. I can get what looks like a decent price $53 at the Golden Tulip Paulista Plaza. Does anyone have any experience with this hotel? I can also get a special price at the: Holiday Inn Parque Anhembi, Novotel Center Norte, Golden Tulip Park Plaza, and the Hampton Park. As long as I have to be in Sao Paulo, I might as well take the opportunity for some mongering activities and would hate to end up in some place that is going to give me a hard time. Thanks.

Davis150
05-12-05, 00:32
Those prices are outrageous! Service unacceptable! Are you overpaying or do I need to increase my budget for July?

Rovnak
05-12-05, 05:36
What the hell is that about? Anybody aware of this happening before? What is the normal reason for such a crackdown? Is it just the typical "raise the graft" power move by some corrupt officials?

Surfing71
05-12-05, 14:19
i think i overpay. the fact that i do not speek portugese does not help.

for the police, i did not see them actually, but the club closed and reason given by girl i was speaking with was that the federal police was about the get in bomboa.

Vatel69
05-13-05, 06:39
A whole area has been targeted in SP. Campo Belo is the major target but it will eventually go for the other places. Reason been most places located in residential areas(Bahamas, Bomboa) are not as accepted as the boites in the downtown area. Cafe Photo was relocated due to complaints from the neighbours. Jd America was closed down last year for the same reason. Another reason been they don´t have permit and licenses in most cases.

Prosal
05-13-05, 09:48
Some Bomboa' regulars have posted on gpguia that they expect a definitive closing.

:-(

Macunaima
05-13-05, 16:30
folks,

i've been saying this for about a year now and it's generally been poo-pooed by mongers who seem to believe that the brazilian givernment has no power to do anything at all.

there's an anti-prostituion crusade brewing here and it's aimed directly at gringos. last year brazil got 400,000 usd from the un to fight sexual tourism and the trafficking of women. the first step in this process has been pilot schemes in forteleza and recife. sp and rio are next on the list. here in rio we are gearing up for what we suspect will be a hightened level of harassment building into the new year.

now, what all this means practically is anyone's guess. but in sp, it's meant local residents' associations coming together with far-right christian groups to apply as much legal pressure as possible against the sex trade, generally with the federal government's blessing.

to a certain degree, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. the scene in sp and here in rio is beginning to get out of hand and tighter regulation - if properly administered - would probably be to everyone's benefit. however, my guess is that this crackdown will just increase opportunities for graft and scams.

what you can do to protect yourself:

1) always carry a valid photo id. a very common anti-gringo scam, used here in moments like these, is to demand id. technically, a foreigner must carry valid photo id everywhere he goes while in brazil. if you don't have it, the cops can delay and harass you, even run you down to the precinct house, all in the name of fishing for a bribe. taking five minutes of your time to go to a cartório and get an "official" xerox of your passport photo page and visa (15 minutes of your time and mayber 10 reais cost) wouls probably be a very good idea. that way, you have something, at least, and you takle no risks with your passport. be aware, however, that some cops won't except even "official" copies - they want to see a real photo id. so to be extra safe, carry something "real" with your photo on it as well.

2) be very, very careful about the age of the women you go with. ask a pro's age. if you have any doubts, ask to see her id. if she gets offended say "look, honey, put your thumb over your name if you must but i want to see a photo and a birthdate that puts you over 18". as i've mentioned on another thread, a new scam in recife and forteleza these days - so we hear in rio - involves pros claiming to be **** after the act in order to get more cash. with the cops in these towns looking for any excuse to bust "****s", it seems to me that people should be more careful than usual about this sort of thing. caveat emptor.

MoonDog
05-13-05, 23:46
What you can do to protect yourself:

1) ALWAYS carry a valid photo ID.

Good information. Thanks.

Moondog

Rovnak
05-14-05, 05:09
Can someone who can read Portuguese well read the gpguia postings and provide a summary. From what I can read it suggests that those who were in the rooms at the time of the raid, men and women, were taken to the police station and were interviewed/held until 6:30 am. But I thought someone here posted that the house was forewarned that a raid was coming and everyone started leaving, so how could anyone be in the rooms? I must be missing something.

http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=73&start=390&sid=15d5d975add43619eb7f23c5373fc50d

Anyway, it does not sound good for Bomboa and possibly other houses in the richer bairos. And this, just when I thought I had discovered a new home!!! sigh. I feel bad for the girls at this point since they were pleasant and lovely.

Someone on the ground please monitor and report on the climate since I am currently planning on returning in July ... but if it is a bad time I can make other plans.

BTW, I thought prostitution WAS legal and only pimping was illegal, so what are they busting them for? What are the risks to the customer?

MoonDog
05-14-05, 08:18
Has anybody been to this club? http://www.akaza.com.br

Is it worth going to? From the map, it looks as if it is near FranceBel.

Moondog

Member #4643
05-14-05, 21:30
Colleagues:

I just finished hearing about the raid at Bomboa from someone who says they know several people who were there. It sounds to me like a few other boites were raided as well, including Millenium (I am sobbing as I write this). Apparantly some people-both girls and clients- were taken to the police station for several hours of questioning. But, not everyone was treated to this experience.

The "deal" is that it is illegal to rent rooms on the premises where prostitution is being practiced. Places like Kilt and Bahamas (where I have never been, so I may be mistaken) don't have rooms, and did not get raided.

Incidentally, the clubs re opened and were raided again. They are open again tonight, but I think I will have a quiet night in my hotel with a couple of hookers I will order up from MClass. I have two bottles of single malt scotch, a fresh bottle of levitra and enough pent up urge from my 14 hour plane trip lasts night that I can pass on the boite experience for tonight.

From what I read here, Moondog should be in town soon. I will be looking for his update. In the meantime, I have scheduled the rest of my trip here to return via Rio.

Rovnak
05-14-05, 22:53
Thanks Forest,

Que Pena!!!!

Keep us posted.

FWIW, Bahamas does have rooms on premise. Cafe Photo and Romanza do not have rooms. I am not sure which other boites do not have rooms as well.

I feel like I jinxed Sao Paulo. One visit and the whole edifice is crumbing. :) I hope not.

By the way. It sounds like the solution is that the clubs just should not "rent" rooms. Seems simple enough to me but I'm not sure if it is legally viable. Raise the price of the liquor and don't charge for the rooms.

MoonDog
05-15-05, 01:07
Forest,

Thanks for the info. I will have a few visits to SP in the next few weeks, so will pass on anything that I find out. For now, I might play it safe and not use the rooms on premises.

Moondog

Starfe
05-15-05, 03:36
Just as I was moving away from the escorts service " They pull me back in ".
Worse things in life to deal with.

I have always had pretty good luck with
http://www.ellass.com.br/principal.asp

Stick with the ones that show their faces to avoid the bait & switch.

Not much luck with mclass lately. The quality has been rather poor

Regards and stay safe

Starfe

MoonDog
05-15-05, 03:48
Just as I was moving away from the escorts service " They pull me back in ".
So, who did you see? :)

Moondog

Rovnak
05-15-05, 04:11
Starfe,

Good point, yes, there are still many options.

Re ellass. Is the vip section available to non-Brazilians? Some sites require identifying information that is only available to Brazilians. Second, do all the escorts show their faces in the VIP photos? My experience with other Sampa escort sites is that most often an escort will either show her face in both the public and the vip areas or in neither. So the vip areas don't always add that much more visual information. One thing for sure, that Ariane on the home page shows one tight body in her 2 minute video.

Starfe
05-15-05, 12:46
Moondog,

Rafaela ( a tad more weight then her pics show ) maybe more then a tad. But i like them big.

Aghata ( the tad part again but a real worker )

Annna Claire ; i was very happy with her but remember i don't ask for much other then bbbj with any of them.

Karen was good but not great. Although she said I was the greatest lover she ever had under 2.38 minutes. The session lasted 23 minutes from the time she entered the room till the moment she left ( and thats including room service )


Agatha: another beast i enjoyed. big girls break my heart.

I am so afraid of picking up something lately. There are always a few Yhat will have sex with. Only a few.

There were a few black ones that are no longer there that I liked. Seems they are all gone.

Again it takes multiple calls to reach these girls. I was really starting to move my business to fracenbel and Bahamas the last 2 trips.

Rovnak,

I only use the page you can pull up . I Have never seen the VIP part. I did subscribe to MCLASS but canceled it after a few month due to the poor choices and difficult time reaching the girls.
you might also try http://www.frenesy.com.br/conteudo/frenesy.htm

watch out for the bait & switch here. when you hit gold it really is gold on this site.




starfe

Starfe
05-15-05, 13:13
First I stay at the Hyatt:
I book 2 massages a day, everyday. One at 12pm the other at 6pm. Totally straight

At 1:30pm I taxi over to Francenbel for 2 sessions.So i finish about 4:30 to get back for my 6pm massage at the Hyatt. Dinner at the Japanese (Kinu ) dining spot at the hotel .

I might call an escort for 8pm then I usually go to Bomboa or Bahamas to finish off the night at around 10:30pm. In bed by 2am at the lastest.

A little boring for some but it works for me.

MoonDog
05-15-05, 14:13
A little boring for some but it works for me.
Being handled by six beautiful girls in one day is not boring. :)

Thanks for the update on Ellass.

Moondog

Rovnak
05-15-05, 18:36
The latest posting on the gpguia thread is pretty informative, though it is by a newly registered poster, aptly named "Doggy". According to Doggy, there are two angles being worked. The first angle is a personal thing between Bomboa and a single Judge who lives in the area. This judge wants to shut down Bomboa because he does not want them in his neighborhood. This is a not in my backyard case. Therefore the raid was isolated to Bomboa. I see no other evidence on gpguia that any other places were hit. Though, I would suspect Donna Cafe would eventually be targeted as it is ony a few blocks from Bomboa.

The second angle is that the Mayor of Sampa wants to eliminate the profiteering from prostitution, not prostitution per se. I don't quite understand this phrase "os inferninhos de 20 e 30 reais no qual metade fica na casa 10 ou 15 reias e a outra metade é pra garota." I assume it refers to splitting of $ between house and GDP. Why he uses the 20-30R value is unclear to me, perhaps he is referring to the room fee. What is inferninhos? Anyway, the mayor wants to end this across the board in Sampa. Basically, it sounds like the industry may have to evolve to more "take out" boites, like Cafe Photo, unless they can find a business model where the house is not implicated in the profit of the individual act.

Pluto2
05-15-05, 19:18
I have seen this before (Latin America) where a neighborhood wants the establshiment closed. Usually, the wives and daughters are getting too many looks on their streets and the wife is beginning to ask too many questions. This is especially true in the areas occupied by the new-growing middle class.

Once the wives club gets on the mayors ass, and they are asking their husbands too many questions, the place gets shut down quickly. In the case I am familiar with, the health dept. shut them down after they refused to go quietly. All places in the bar areas and commercial areas were left alone as long as there were no signs, no criminal activity and no one milling around outside. Low profile.

If they are just picking on one or two places, what Rovnak is saying is probably spot on. Kiss these places goodby since the garden club will not stop until they are gone.

As to going after the fixed address establishments: When it was wide open in Italy many years ago, the pimps were mininal (usually some macho boyfriend that was too lazy or stupied to hold a job), the girls were the eyes of the PD for real crime and the scene was limited to areas where the garden club was not offended. The crime in these areas was also zero point zero even though it may have been a commercial area at night or a "rough area". Since the big crack down over the last 30 years, the girls are now mostly Nigerian imports that the Albanian pimps get hooked on heroin and the scene is full of AIDS, (illeagle aliens) violence and brutal pimps in addition to real slavery for the girls. If the girls go to the PD they are deported, once they obviously have aids the pimps dump them on the street for deportation back to Nigeria. This is the big improvement in civic morality by the politicians. Most politicos keep girls on the side and have the "gentlemens clubs" were there are higher end girls on staff.

The current Italian government was trying to fix the problem with legalization and the resurection of fixed addresses with known employees that had to pass the health dept. inspection, but I think they ran out of steam before they could get it passed.

The Italian presence in Forteleza probably explains the "crack down" there as expessed by an Italian poster on this board. The same non-sense for a display of public morality. I bet half the big rollers are there with their mistresses from Italy or pre arranged black girls (which they are crazy about)and then signing the grants to stamp out the local scene with foreign aid when they get home. If it follows the Italian virtuous-model, begin looking for heavily armed pimps in Forteleza since the PD is now the enemy of the working girls and working to keep the girls under the control of the pimps.

Truant
05-16-05, 04:16
My favorita from Bomboa has confirmed with me that Bomboa is not closed!

I will go there tomorrow to check it out. But she assures me it is business as usual!

Member #1314

RexG
05-16-05, 05:39
I've got a few of rookie questions about Sampa. But first maybe I should try to chip in a little. In trying to figure out where to stay for my first visit, I did a little research on distances between a few hotels in different areas and the garota places that interest me. In the list below, there are 3 distances provided for each establishment. These are the distances from the establishment to Mercure Downtown, Mercure Jardins, and Parthenon The World, respectively. (Sorry but I couldn't figure out how to do reasonable formatting in my post.)

Establishment (Mercure Downtown, Mercure Jardins, Parthenon The World)

Millenium (7.85km, 6.51km, 13.73km)
My Way (?, 4.65km, 2.59km)
Bamboa (3.84km, 2.76km, 8.46km)
Bahamas (10.64km, 8.05km, 3.14km)
Eu e Elas (4.46km, 4.65km, 8.53km)
W.E. (2.59km, 1.41km, 7.39km)
The Palms (8.59km, 5.96km, <1km)
Cafe Gauguin (?, 8.63km, 3.31km)
Love Story (<1km, ?, 6.87km)
Jardim America (4.81km, 2.23km, ?)
Donna Cafe (?, 2.53km, ?)

From my point of view, Mercure Jardins wins out location wise, and I have reserved a room there. However, the events of the past few days are making me think that:
1) maybe I should migrate closer to the Love Story area downtown,
2) a hotel’s girl friendliness is now becoming more important.

I have been following this thread for a while now, but I'm still not confident of a hotel selection in the area of the Mercure Downtown. (Mercure Downtown would be fine except for possible low girl-friendliness.) Any tips on girl friendly hotels in the Love Story neighborhood would be greatly appreciated.

I have visited Rio a few times and will go there after spending a few days in Sampa. From my previous trips, I've learned that knowing a little Portuguese would significantly improve the overall experience with a garota. So I ordered an “Unforgettable Languages” CD over the Internet. I try to study every day. It's great. I can now confidently assert, "a lagosta verde quer a janela ou o teto duro". (The green lobster wants the window or the hard roof.) You just never know when that might come in handy.

OK, now for the rookie questions:

1. Rio is conveniently informal (allows traveling light). My perception is that SP is a little more “uptown” in terms of dress. What is the recommended attire for, say, Bahamas? For the high end W.E.?

2. When arranging for services at a clinica, do you negotiate the FS stuff with the receptionist or do you do that later with the girl?

3. Can you shower at a clinica before getting started with the girl? (During the day I may walk a considerable distance to a clinica.)

Special thanks to Rovnak, Forest, Sterfe, Pluto2 (and others) for helping us all gain some perspective about the recent events. For a while I was thinking I might completely scratch SP from my itinerary.

Pluto2
05-16-05, 16:25
Where to stay: Any of the Mercure properties or the Rennaisance if U have more money.

Jardim is a relatively upscale neighborhood that is central to most of the city and has lots of mid to high end restaurants, shops, movie theaters. It is very middle to upper class with very few problems. Personally, I would not sleep in Centro on a bet. Pay the 10R cab ride each way. Book and pay for a double room when U check in if you are going to be having guests, remember that your safety is the guest signing in at the front desk, it is their country and the hotel staff knows what they are doing. Don't fight the system.

When U arrive U will want to buy some 1.5l bottles of water for drinking. Save your bags and clean up your room after the party. If U ask the maid staff to clean up after the party, expect to get completely frozen out by the staff of the hotel, who can blame them. The hotel staffs are not prueds, but remember that their dignity can be easily offended by what they see as a lack of repect. Asking someone else to clean up the mess after the party would be a good indicator that U don't respect the staff. Tip your maid and other service staff the first day U get there and greet them when U see them.

Dress, newer-clean jeans with a crease, if U want formal with leather shoes and a good shirt. Unless U are going to the ballet or have lunch with the Mayor, U will be acceptable. If U must, bring a navy sport jacket and a pair of dress pants. Excellent walking shoes or sneakers are recommended and shorts-cargo pants are fine. If U are not sure, pack half empty and buy clothes after U arrive. Gringo indicators are shorts with socks pulled up, so wear no socks or short socks with sneakers if U want to go in disguise.

Almost all clinics are one price, paid when U check in. If U want something really special, U will have to ask your attendant and expect to pay more. Tips are not required for normal service and should not be requested by the service staff.

Definitely take a shower when U check into the room, the garota will definitely appreciate it along with any other grooming U may do. Put yourself in their sandals. Remember that in these societies dignity and respect go hand in hand, the more respect U demonstrate the better your treatment will be across the board. This will be true of everyone that U deal with. Even the garotas will respond well to the more formal "come via a senora". If U want respect, give it. If U are a regular at any establishment of any kind, your treatment will just keep on getting better. For this reason, I freqent places that I like.

If U use your cab stand, door man, maid, desk staff with respect, (respect= good maners, consideration, recognizing them) they will not only give U the same, they will look out for U. Its not just about tipping.

Rovnak
05-16-05, 16:57
Rex,

You do your work like me. I too have done all those distance calculations. I did stay at Mercure Jardins and aside from the girl friendliness it was very good and the location was fine. For a first time visit to Sao Paulo, I would recommend the Jardin Paulista, since it is safe and convenient. The big knock on the Mercure is the girl friendliness. I will not go back because of it. They charged me 50R for each visitor per day!!! Forget it. And I have not received assurances on this forum that even if I ponied up for a two adults room reservation, they still might try to hold you to exactly 1 visitor the entire time. This does not matter if you do not intend to bring any girls back to hotel. It all depends on your model.

If I was going to try and stay in the J Paulista area again I would just stay at one of the many aparthotels that are right near the Parthenon St. Germain. You can just walk into any of these and say "I'm not happy at my other hotel, what is the rate here?" I did that and they were all very reasonable, 90 to 130R per day. And since they were "residential flats" (i.e aparthotels) they will be girl friendly. Here is a web site that lists residential flats by bairo. The

http://sao-paulo.biz-stay.com/home.cfm

The Fortune Residence & Executive Service on Rua Haddock Lobo looked very high end when I walked by so I did not even ask, but on the internet there is a $55 US special available.
http://reservations.biz-stay.com/hotel/10003787-11277092O.html
It is literally only about 2 blocks from Mercure Jardins.

Personally, I am planning on staying at the Parthenon World or the Parthenon Times Square. I just want to check out another part of the city. And since I like the clinicas, I like being closer to them as they are all clustered down south in Moema, Vila Olimpia and Campo Belo. It is also close to Bahamas, and some other night clubs that I want to check out. It is not convenient to Centro however.

Clinicas - you definitely need to research to find out which ones require tips and which are "completo". If the ad does not say "completo" then they expect a separate tip for full service. You only negotiate that with the garota and you only know what to expect from research. The higher end clinicas are of this sort - Francebel, The Palms, My Way, and CalCenter all require separate tip.

The only club I entered that seemed to have a higher dress code was W.E. I went in with a nice t-shirt and new jeans and they let me in, but I was only checking it out. I did not stay. If I went back I would wear nicer clothes to that club. Same may go for Photo, but I have not been there yet.

Pluto2
05-16-05, 19:45
Rex,

After reading Rovnaks post an idea came to mind.

Call ahead and ask the clinic if the price is complete, if U speak slowly they can help U in many cases. Many of the popular clinics are listed on my report on page 7 with the phone numbers and web links. Rovnak also did an excellent walking report for a number of the places. Brooklin is good and fixed price as is Antares. Cab to both.

When I say stay at any of the Mercure properties, I meant stay at any of the Accor properties, the company that owns Mercure and Parthenon and Sofitel, I would not stay at their lower end properties unless I was broke.

Pluto2

RexG
05-17-05, 05:42
Thanks for answering my questions. I'm still a little uncertain where to stay, but I'm making progress. I wish that Parthenon St. Germain weren't a dump. As suggested, I'll probably keep my reservation at Mercure Jardins, and then look around after I get there. I'm also curious about Parthenon Les Jardins, another older Parthenon. The location is good, but I find it odd that it isn't listed at the Accor hotels [English] web site.

Surferr3
05-17-05, 06:15
Rex,

I never had a problem at Mercure Jardins with the girls. I LOVED the location and also loved the fact it was close to the Renaissance and Jardins in general. I will stay there on all of my future trips until there are girl problems.

Have fun.

Cachorro
05-17-05, 06:51
Had a 7 hour stopover in Sao Paulo, which was too long to spend at the airport. So decided to check out a clinica during the day.

Inspired by Rovnak's report, decided to check out the places near Congonhas airport. Confirmed with the gpguia.net and decided on Chantily. If you want to arrive here by taxi, best to have the exact address with you. Even the taxi drivers at Congonhas (3 blocks away) don't know this place.

I had a really good experience here. 7 girls available, I chose Raquel, pretty morenaça from Bahia. We proceeded with 1 hour of enthusiastic massage and sex, DFK, BBBJ. Great session. The room itself is pretty basic, a thin futon mattress on the floor, Japanese style.

The reception were excellent, very friendly. They asked at the end if everything went OK, which for me is the sign of a good establishment.

100r for one hour, plus a 10r tip to the "mina" for an excellent experience.

Rovnak
05-17-05, 10:05
Cachorro,

Glad you enjoyed Chantily. That has to be the best value for the $ in Sampa. I too saw Raquel, what a doll. Beautiful face, and she definitely gets into it if she likes you. The thai massage with her body lubed up makes for very slippery and hot full service. I loved hearing her heavy breathing as she rubbed herself on my back. Wow, I'm ready to go back right now!!

I also had a great time just chatting with the very friendly receptionist while I was waiting for a cab. Very, very nice people.

BTW, the taxi drivers might know it by its previous name, Clinica Campo Belo, I believe. Or they might know Clinica Cherry or Francebel both of which are within 2 blocks of Chantily.

Starfe
05-17-05, 17:18
Cachorro,

If there is a wesite for Chantily could you please post it.

thanks

Rovnak
05-17-05, 17:44
Chantily site is not functional now. Don't expect the world, this is not a high end place, but Raquel is a bargain. I can't speak for any of the other girls.

Clínica Chantily
Rua Sapoti, nº 41 - Campo Belo
Prox. Aeroporto de Congonhas
Fone: 5041-7740
Massagem comum R$ 70,00
Massagem completa R$ 100,00

This may work ...
Tell them that you saw them on gpguia - to get promocion !!!!
promoção para a galera do gpguia valido desde novembro de 2004
deve se identificar que viu a promoção no gpguia
massagem completa 1/2 hora R$ 50,00
massagem completa 1 hora R$ 85,00

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re Mercure Jardins - they definitely have a "rate adjustment" policy for guests. Why they enforce it for some and not others, I don't know. I suspect if you stroll through confidently with a girl on your arm or if she strolls confidently up to your room without drawing staff attention they may just not notice.

Alternatively, they had a vendetta against me because I had coerced them into giving me a free night and they were getting their $ back through this backdoor charge. See, when I left the St. Germain, the receptionist sold me on the Accor Hotel's frequent guest card and he insisted that I had enough points 1500 for an immediate free night at Mercure. I did not want to pay the fee for the card, I think it was 40R, but he insisted I already had enough points to use on this trip, based on the 4 days at Mercure Trianon, the 2 in St. Germain, and the 3 I was going for at Mercure Jardins. Then when I got to the Mercure, they said "oh no, for this place you need 5000 points for a free night". I said, "Well then I want to cancel my frequent guest card, the St. Germain guy said 1500 was enough points." Anyway, the manager came out and insisted that they would give me a free night because of the confusion. That was nice! However, when they wound up charging me for the guests, it was nearly a break even. So maybe the manager had instructed them to put the hammer down on the gringo. Who knows.

Surfer - what is the Rennaisance? Why is proximity to that important?

Pluto2
05-18-05, 05:34
http://www.clinicachantilly.com.br/

Surferr3
05-18-05, 06:33
The Renaissance is a great hotel 2-3 blocks from the Mercure. It is up the hill and a Marriott property.

The hotel is 4-5 star and a nice place to have a scotch or two. Being an American, its a great place to drop into as the staff is very accommadating in all departments. Also, there has been a few times I stayed at the Mercure where they didnt have enough money for the exchange. I walked up to the Renaissance and cashed in.

Last note about the Mercure.

Moondog often raves about a nice Irish Pub (forgot the name) in close proximity to the Renaissance. It is a short 2 minute walk from the Mercure on the same street and a great place to get an ale.

Damn I wish I was coming to SP soon! Traveling to Manila and Vietnam for the first time in two weeks. Hope to catch up with you mongers (Forest too) later this year. Enjoy Brazil amigos.

MoonDog
05-19-05, 16:34
Moondog often raves about a nice Irish Pub (forgot the name) in close proximity to the Renaissance. It is a short 2 minute walk from the Mercure on the same street and a great place to get an ale.
Surferr3,

I think you are referring to O'Malley's. I do not rave about it, as there are a few nasty pros working it. Guys have had trouble ranging from police problems to having things stolen from some of the girls there. If you stick to the nomal girls here, you should have no problem.

The other Irish pub which is a great place to meet non-pros is "All Black." I'm not sure of the exact location, but it is close in proximity to O' Malleys. It is about 5 steps above O'Malley's in clientle, and the girls are beautiful. This is not the place to be looking for pros. Any hotel will have the location.

With regard to the Renaissance hotel, even if you are not staying there, the Havana Club upstairs is a great place to take a girl for music and dancing.

Moondog

Prosal
05-19-05, 20:49
All Black is in Jardins, rua Oscar Freire ;

Yet this place is packed with expats and to chase non-pros ("paquerar"), gringos-free spots like Bar Balcao (a real good place, Jardim Paulista), Elephante (Moema, very close to the Ibirapuera Uni), Show Bar (Pinheiros), or Acuçar (nice and buzzy cuban bar, Itaim Bibi) are FAR better.

There's TONS of good and friendly regular bars in town, here is a good site covering the regular nightlife in SP : baladacerta.com.br.

Pro.

MoonDog
05-21-05, 01:45
A couple of co-workers and I ventured out in Sao Paulo recently, and had a fun filled two days. Both of them were players, but one was not familiar with Sao Paulo, so we decided to show him the high and low end of SP. I had called Karen Roche, http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=389, a few days before we left, just to tell her that I would be in SP in a few days. Upon arrival, I quickly got some sleep, and then gave her a call around 12:30. We agreed on 2:00, and she arrived right on time. Damn she turned heads as she walked in the reception with a little black dress. Hell, it could have been sleepwear, as she had no bra underneath, and you could see her tits very nicely. I wish these girls would dress a little more conservatively when they walk in the hotel. She was very affectionate, friendly, and absolutely gorgeous. She was going to spend one hour, but stayed closer to two. I walked her home, and she turned heads the entire time. If she keeps her good attitude, as she matures a bit from her 20 years, she will be an excellent companion for anyone going to SP in the years to come.

After she left, I took care of some personal items. Around 5, I met Sphereless from one of the other boards in the hotel lobby, and my two co-workers joined us for a walk along Rua Augusta. I just wanted to show the newbie some of the places that were available close to the hotel, and we stopped in Balnero. It is kind of a lower class Terma, but sometimes, some of the girls there really belong in higher class establishments. Not all of them mind you, but I’ve met enough along Augusta to keep me going back for a look see. The newbie was funny, as he latched on to a very pretty girl. She gave him a tour of the individual rooms, and he swore that he would not go in one. 30 minutes later, he is gone. We were all laughing at this, and then left about 7:30, as we had an 8:30 meeting with other guys at the hotel.

I had talked to my girl, J, during the day, and although we wanted to take the newbie to Bomboa that evening, she was a bit apprehensive as there had been a couple of police raids on the place. It is located in a residential neighborhood, and the neighbors are fussing about it. So expect it to be moved to a different location sometime in the future. We were supposed to meet another couple of guys from other boards, Genghis Kahn, and Biggie Smalls, but GK was sick and could not make it. So the four of us headed out to dinner at a local restaurant. During dinner, I received a call from Youngtom. He had just flown in from BA, and we hooked up at the restaurant. Jo and I decided on taking the guys to Cage Gauguin, as it was upscale, and we knew a lot of the people there. We finished dinner and headed to the club. Upon being seated, my old girlfriend, T came running over, gave me a hug, and tried to put the guilt trip on me because I did not fuck her last time, and I took some other “ugly girls.” I told her that J did not want any of my previous girl friends. She said that since J was not her yet, we should go upstairs. This was funny, and she was her old spunky self, constantly playing around, loved being the center of attention, and has a body that is absolutely gorgeous. Her hair is different now, more straight, and shorter, but still looks great.

We spent the next few hours really enjoying the atmosphere. There were only about 20 girls working that night, but it is a very upscale club, and the girls are very nice. The bartenders will keep pouring drinks unless you tell them to stop, so be careful about letting him open up additional bottles if you really do not want them. The room is R$80, and if you take two girls, it is twice that amount. Two drinks are required to get the girls out of there if you want to leave with her. This club is not for the guy on a limited budget, but it is a lot of fun, and a great place to take a group of friends. The have numerous shows as well during the night. The price for all five of us for entrance fee, all sorts of drinks for us and the girls was $R1500 about $121 U.S. each. Not too bad of a price for the entertainment and fun we had. The rooms are really nice as well. J and I took a girl that we had been with before, but that was a mistake. I was not that enthused with her the first time, and now J has excluded her from the list as well. We got back to the hotel around 0400, and crashed until around noon. After another round with J and room service, she had to leave.

When talking to Youngtom the night before, we had made plans to hit Bomboa in the afternoon, and we hooked up there around 4:00. The other guys did not want to go. My goal was to select a girl, take her back for some photos and fun, and then get ready to leave. It was a bit quiet during that time frame, but there were enough girls walking around to give you plenty of eye candy. After fending off the sharks, Youngtom and I were just talking, and I noticed a very beautiful hard body with natural tits looking in my direction. She was very cute as well, so I invited her over. Shortly after that we talked about leaving, and she started with $R500. I jus told her no, and said that she was free to leave. She immediately countered with R$300, and we agreed. It is now $R100 to take the girl out of the club. She changed and looked absolutely beautiful in her street clothes. Her performance and attitude were great. She was in no hurry to leave, and pleased me in everyway, She was rewarded with a nice tip, and she really deserved it.

Enjoy the life gentlemen,

Moondog

Genghis Khan
05-23-05, 19:49
I landed at Guarulhos airport around 05:20 and used about half an hour clearing passport check, waiting for my luggage and clearing customs. Fellow member on this board Biggie Smalls had so graciously agreed to be my driver on this trip. He would not pick me up at the airport until 06:50 though as this was the original scheduled arrival for my flight. It was only when checking in on my connecting flight in Paris that I learned that this flight was changed to depart one hour earlier than scheduled. As I didn’t have Biggie Smalls cell phone number, it was not possible to get hold of him and tell him.

After a 14 hour flight with a time difference of five hours, no sleep and an unwelcome aroma from the clothes I was still wearing after having sweated in them trying to sleep during the flight, I was really longing for a shower and some sleep.

Biggie Smalls showed up on time and drove me to Grand Hotel Ca`d`Oro on Rua Augusta near Kilt whose entrance I could see from my hotel window. This is a very service minded hotel that will fulfil your every need - business or pleasure. As usual on my travels I had prepared a schedule for this trip and sent to Biggie Smalls along with a number of revisions before I departed from home. This schedule included 25 restaurants and 10 club visits during my 10 day visit in Sao Paulo. The receptionist didn’t even blink when I handed him the schedule and wanted him to make the restaurant reservations.

Bringing girls up to the room was no problem. The girls had to sign in of course, but otherwise the staff just smiled when I brought my date for the evening and presented her as my guest. The reception staff even went out to buy condoms in the middle of the night and brought them up to my room when my girl for the first evening had forgotten to bring her own condoms and mine had been removed from my luggage along with my razor when I got my suitcase from the luggage belt on Guarulhos airport. This act of incredible service saved my night and I am very grateful for this. I have to laugh when thinking back on the expression on the face of the man who knocked on my door and handed me two packs of condoms. It looked almost as if he had been running out to buy the condoms as sweat ran down his face and he was breathing heavily. I am however getting ahead of myself now.

After having sent some clothes for laundry, showered and slept for a few hours, Biggie Smalls replacement driver showed up to take me to lunch at the Japanese restaurant Yabany. Biggie Smalls was sick and he had arranged for an employee of his as a replacement driver until he got well. I will call him Junior. Thanks Biggie!! Yabany has got beautiful interior and quite good food. What brought my attention however was the sensationally beautiful hostess. I simply couldn’t get my eyes off her. She was almost worth the visit alone.

Junior showed up again an hour later as agreed and took me back to the hotel where more sleep was due.

Dinner reservation was made at the French restaurant Cafè Antiqüe, a great place which is among a handful of restaurants with three stars in Guia Josimar Melo (sort of a Michelin Guide of restaurants for Sao Paulo). I ordered the Menu Degustacao and a bottle of wine. To cut to the chase – great restaurant, great food and great wine. Highly recommended!

After the meal I had agreed with Junior that he should pick me up and take me to W.E. at Rua Peixoto Gomide 263. As many of you already know W.E. is short for Washington and Edson (the previous owners of W and Jardim America). Their new place used to be an aparthotel and have a bar with two floors and a terrace outside. There are rooms in the house where you can bring your girl/girls for a period of 3 hours for R$600,- pr. garota or you can do a take out for R$800,-. Consumption is an additional minimum of R$160,- I believe. They also have suites and a presidential suite which are R$800,- and R$1500,-. The presidential suite has got a swimming pool.

Anyway the best thing about this place is that it is packed with special girls. By special I mean that they are more or less required to deliver a true GFE by the managers. Some of these girls are absolutely beautiful. Not many speak much English, but the hostess does and she will help you with whatever you want.

I like to dress up and my non-Brazilian looks soon had the girls swarming around me. I don’t like to be pressured by the girls into taking them home, so I was a little uncomfortable with all this attention. I mostly like to approach the girls I am interested in and I soon found the excuse that I didn’t speak much Portuguese helped me get some space.

Washington recognized me and came over to greet me welcome. I think that is quite incredible as it is more than a year since I saw him the last time and he doesn’t talk any English while I don’t talk any Portuguese. So we have never actually had any conversations. Still he recognized me!

A more reserved and very polite but yet attractive morena that spoke English very well soon got my attention. Milla proved to be a great choice in my opinion. Milla is calm and quite, easy to talk to and when in the bedroom she turns into a wildcat. She reminded me of my all time W favourite – Najla. I told Milla about Najla and Milla knew her very well. She told me that Najla would come later that night and she would introduce me to her.

After a few caipirinhas while sitting at the bar with Milla she soon excused herself and returned with Najla who recognized me immediately – even though I hadn’t seen her in two years. She handed me an issue of Playboy magazine where she was spread over six pages. An incredibly beautiful girl who is without a doubt the best GFE I have ever had. This girl is as close to a ten as I have come – and now she was looking even more amazing than the last time I saw her. She told me that she would be back on Monday (this day was Thursday) if I wanted to try Milla this evening.

I had a great time with Milla in W.E. and we took a taxi back to my hotel after about three hours. I paid a total of R$1086 for our drinks and for her time until next morning. She stayed with me until I was ready to go for lunch the next day.

I am no small guy but she handled me like I was a little boy when she threw me around in several positions in the bedroom. The next morning I was woken up by her BBBJ. She took every drop of my love medicine. I find that a little disgusting and told her that although I liked what she had done, she didn’t have to do it again if she would prefer not to.

She just replied that she thought that it was a really nice shower. Soon after she entered the bathroom, cleaned up and left. I went back to sleep.

Similar reports of day 2 to 10 will follow later.


BTW - here is Najla
http://playboy.abril.com.br/galeriast/galeria_18587_0.shtml

GK

Genghis Khan
05-24-05, 11:55
After Milla had given me an unforgettable BBBJCIM, she showered and left. I promised that I would come back to W.E. every day the next week. I went happily back to sleep for a few hours until Junior was supposed to pick me up for lunch around 12:30.

Junior showed up at our agreed time and drove me to the Japanese restaurant Kosushi for lunch. Kosushis interior is quite similar to Yabany – even down to the similar chairs. Kosushi does however have a small garden in the back of the restaurant with a very tall wooden fountain. This fountain and the tranquil music makes a relaxing atmosphere. The food is at a level above that served at Yabany – absolutely great. Try the Sakerinha – a caipirinha made from Sake with passion fruit.

Junior picked me up as agreed again one and a half hour later and took me back to my hotel. I felt the jetlag quite heavily this day and went back to sleep for a few hours until Junior would pick me up for dinner. Dinner today would be at the other French restaurant on my schedule - Le Coq Hardy. It is also a three star restaurant in Guia Josimar Melo. The food was good but not really as great as at Cafè Antiqüe yesterday and the courses I wanted and had read about in Brazilian web guides were taken off the menu – like the ice cream of foie gras and honey and the poached truffles. The win list was great though and overall a highly recommended restaurant!

I have never been to Washington and Edson previous club Jardim America. On my last trip to Sao Paulo it was on top of my list of things I wanted to do, but I scheduled it for my last days of my trip. Unfortunately I had to go home earlier than planned and never made it to Jardim America. Now that Edson and Washington had moved on from Jardim America to W.E., it has been reported as a quite empty place. Still I wanted to see what it was like and since this was a Friday, W.E. would not be at its peak today anyway. So Junior took me to Jardim America on Alameda Gabriel Monteiro da Silva 479, Jardins.

Fortunately the place was still open. Biggie Smalls had checked it out on the previous Friday at around 9:30 and found it closed. Junior told me that he had been there a couple of times before and wanted to join me if I would not mind. I didn’t mind of course and since he spoke both Portuguese and English might actually be of good help too. Junior managed to talk himself out of the entrance fee and minimum consumption by acting as my interpreter.

Let me start by telling that I would have loved to be around Jar dim America when it was full of girls. Now there was only five present. We passed one of these girls on our way in – and she was a really good looking blonde. She didn’t seem to pay much attention to us however when we passed her. The seating area at Jar dim America is a beautiful fully enclosed garden with small tables and parasols. In the middle of the garden is a big screen that shows music videos.

We sat down and I ordered a Caiprinha. The waiter told us that the new owner was Jorge (a previous manager of Donna Café and Akaza) and that Carlos still was manager. No other girls than the blonde I noticed by the reception appealed to me, so I was prepared to leave as soon as we had finished our drinks. The girl at by the reception did not seem interested in joining us. After a while she came over to our table anyway. She spoke no English, so Juniors skills came in handy. Her name was Adriane and she was from Porto Alegre. She had a very European like look about her with green eyes, blonde hair and long slender legs, but she did pack a nice Brazilian bunda. Adriane was not a typical party girl that you will find at W.E. She seemed quiet, almost shy at times. She told us that after Edson and Washington had left Jardim America, the girls that lived in the Jardim America house now worked freelance. They were free to work at Cafè Photo or W.E. if they wanted. She also told us that Thursdays were special at Jardim America because they would host what she called an international night. They will invite a chef to cook some international food and the decoration will be made in the same theme. There would be more girls (around 40) she said, because on Thursdays they would not be allowed to freelance.

After a while Junior wanted to retire, so he left us. I told him I would try my luck with Adriane even though she didn’t speak any English. It turned out okay. Language is not really a problem if one is interested in understanding each other. I know some very basic Portuguese and she knew some very basic English. After about two hours of chatting and getting to know each other we decided to leave, so I called Junior and he picked us up.
The price was $R310 for our drinks and for her exit fee. Then her price was R$350 for the entire night until next morning. Her price was negotiated directly with her and paid to her in cash when she left my hotel room.

When Junior picked us up Adriane wanted to know if we could go somewhere to have something to eat and that was no problem, so Junior took us to the Italian restaurant Arleccinho (formerly Palazzo Grimaldi). This is a nice restaurant with a wide selection of pasta and seafood and quite cheap wine. Pasta for both of us with a bottle of white Italian wine put me back around R$170 – a nice place to go if you want something good and inexpensive.

After dinner Junior picked us up again and took us back to the hotel. I have to tell you now that after she had removed her makeup, showered and taken off her clothes, Adriane was not as hot anymore. I think she must have been in her mid thirties and she later told me that she had a baby. Anyway her sex was sweet and affectionate and overall I don’t regret having spent time with her although I could probably have found someone even hotter somewhere else.

The next morning she showered and left me at around 9. I went happily back to sleep.

GK

Surferr3
05-25-05, 06:55
Great stuff. Thanks for the infomative insight to your trip. Looking forward to day three!

Genghis Khan
05-25-05, 18:07
After Adriane had left I went back to sleep for a few hours until Junior was to pick me up again at around 12:30 to take me to lunch at Baby Beef Rubaiyat. This restaurant has been voted the best restaurant specializing in meat in the magazine Veja Sao Paulo seven years in a row. It is not a churrascaria. You have to order from an a la carte menu, but their picanha summus is the best steak I have ever had. This was a highly recommended restaurant with great service and with a price tag that will not scare you away. I had a picanha summus, a baked potato with, garlic steamed broccoli and two caipirinhas for R$104.

The jet lag and time difference was still clouding my mind quite heavily. So when Junior picked me up again an hour later, I told him to take me back to my hotel because I wanted to sleep some more. I was looking forward to an evening with Biggie Smalls as he had told me he would join me to Café Photo tonight. W.E. is not open on Saturdays and Sundays, so I would try Café Photo today.

Biggie Smalls picked me up at the hotel around 7 and took me to Fasano where I was going to dine this evening. I had really high expectations of Fasano as it is supposed to be probably the best restaurant in South America and Fasano certainly didn’t disappoint. I arrived about twenty minutes before they opened, so I had two Caipirinhas in their magnificent bar before I was shown my table inside the restaurant. This was without a doubt the best restaurant on this trip, but it should be with the prices charged here. I had a five course meal including dessert from the a la carte menu and a bottle of wine. It amounted to R$1086. About half of that price was the wine. It was the only restaurant I visited with an Italian Amarone wine in stock. They are my favourites – so I couldn’t turn down the opportunity.

Biggie Smalls picked me up again at 9:30 and drove us to Café Photo. On Saturdays the second floor is closed in Café Photo and the entrance is reduced from R$160 to R$100. The entrance includes two drinks rather than three on weeknights. The place was packed when we got there so we looked around a bit before sitting down at a table beside the stairs.

My experience of Café Photo in the past has been that your breath will be taken away when you enter. The environment and the girls are stunning. However when you bring a girl back to the hotel in proper lighting and she removes her clothes and makeup – she is not so hot anymore and the attitude is almost always rush, rush, rush to get back to Café Photo to reel in another client. Having said that, Café Photo seems to have some gems that will give you a great GFE and still look good when you get her home. In the past it has always been possible to bring them down from their initial R$600 – R$500. This time was different – maybe it was because this Saturday was more crowded than I have been used to on Saturdays.

I ordered a Caipirinha and Biggie Smalls ordered a Hi-Fi. What is it about this Hi-Fi? Orange juice and vodka is called a screwdriver all around the world, but not in Brazil. Here they call it a Hi-Fi. Anyway soon several girls gathered in a ring around our table. It’s quite entertaining as the girls in Café Photo are not allowed to approach you unless you call them over, but they will do everything in their power to get your attention and your eye contact. Once they have eye contact they will try to make you call them over. First I waved a mulatta over to your table and started chatting with her. She seemed quite nice, respectful, well mannered and easy to talk to. She spoke perfect English. After a while I asked her how much she wanted for the entire night. She replied R$600 and I said I would not give her more than R$400. She replied that for R$400 she would stay one hour. She would simply not come down from these prices so I sent her on her way.

After a while I called over a blonde – tall, slender and in my mind very good looking. She was willing to come down to R$400 plus taxi home for three hours, so I took my chance. It might have been the alcohol clouding my mind, but I got the distinct impression from our car ride back to the hotel that she didn’t like me and when sitting in Biggie Smalls car I noticed acne scars all over her face underneath her make up. So here we go again – the same Café Photo mistake I thought. Back in the hotel room it turned out to be true. She wanted to rush things to finish up early and go back to Café Photo. I like taking my time and was in really no hurry. When she removed her clothes she was not very hot anymore and her attitude was like other Café Photo girls in my mind - all business. She wanted me to hurry – fuck her hard – come fast and then leave. So after she had removed her clothes, I didn’t want to go any further. I gave her half her money R$200 – no taxi money – and sent her out. The fact that I don’t even remember her name (because I always do), proves that this was the biggest mistake of the entire trip to Sao Paulo.

After she had left I went down to Big Ben, the club next door to my hotel. Biggie Smalls was waiting for me there but had to leave when I got in. No girls appealed to me so I left and walked to over to Kilt to see what it was like. The same story happened here. No girls appealed to me, so I watched the live show and went back to the hotel and slept until the next morning.

GK

Starfe
05-25-05, 23:43
Genghis Khan,
I really enjoy you're posts. You dining stories are as good as you're monger adventures. I to have had a few flops over at Cafe Photo but for some reason I keep going back for more. I think I have had enough of the place. I think you mentioned Bahamas. I happen to think you get plenty of bang for you're buck there. I like it better then Bomboas.

You might want to try the Japanese restaurant at the Hyatt. I think its outstanding but a bit out of the way. They also have a fantastic spa there that I use on a daily basis for a straight massage. ( you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone by doing both during the day )
Just a thought.

Keep the posts coming.

thanks

Starfe

Rovnak
05-26-05, 07:55
Nice reviews, GK,

Don't sweat the lemon from Photo. In Sao Paulo at the big places, I don't think its the house, its just the girl. In Rio at a termas like Solarium, the house seems to be very concerned with the quality of the staff. But at the big places in Sampa, I think its just a collection of girls and there are lemons in the bunch.

I too had a lemon from Romanza and a lot of guys wanted to say "its the house". But I bet if I took my time and interacted a bit more socially I would have found a winner. I had a great time at Bahamas despite many guys saying its not a good house. Whatever.

I also don't agree with the conventional wisdom that the part timers are better than the full timers. I had great emotionally rewarding times with clinica girls and a lousy time with a true full time student who works two nights a week at Romanza. In fact, its quite possible some semi-pros are even more uptight about the business and unwilling to let themselves enjoy the act, whereas some full time pros are absolute sexual enthusiasts.

But I will agree that not being able to see the girl partially unclothed is a big disadvantage. For me, I can just tell so much more about the woman's sexuality by seeing her body and the way she presents herself. Both of the lackluster times I had were with fully clothed girls. Also the lighting is important. One of my complaints about Millenium is that it was so dark and smoky that it was hard to see the girls. Bomboa on the other hand is nicely lit and there are no bad surprises, WYSIWYG.

Genghis Khan
05-26-05, 11:27
It was actually kind of nice to wake up alone this morning and not having to get up to pay the girl when she was ready to leave. At the same time it felt kind of lonely as I like waking up with a warm body next to mine, but I am not going to get all soft and mushy on you now as this is a mongering trip and not a love quest.

This was a Sunday and it is not a great variety of choices to choose from on Sundays, but I knew that Bahamas would be open and had my mind was set on going there.

Around 12:30 Junior picked me up at my hotel and took me to the restaurant Cantaloup for lunch. This restaurant was probably the best surprise on my trip. They serve contemporary food in a nice yet stylish environment. The restaurant is located in an old warehouse where half of the space now is made into a garden with a fountain and the other half of the space into a more formal dining room. The two spaces blend seamlessly together and you can choose to sit wherever you want. The menu is large and they serve very innovative cuisine. I chose the foie gras soup with veal tartar, the duck breast with truffles and cranberry sauce and chocolate ravioli filled with banana. They also had a great wine list, but I chose water now because I was a bit hung over from last night. A great restaurant which I should have chosen as a dinner spot instead to fully enjoy it without the hangover. I paid R$158 for the entire meal – a bargain in my opinion compared to other restaurants in Sao Paulo at this level.

Junior picked me up again at 2:30 and drove me back to my hotel. In order to cope with the time difference, the now fading jet lag and the hangover, I chose to sleep every day after lunch. This proved a good choice later in the evening. I am not twenty anymore, so drinking, fucking and staying up until the wee hours every day requires some rest.

Dinner reservation this night was made at the Italian restaurant Massimo. Junior picked me up again around 6:45 and drove me to the restaurant. Massimo is one of the Sao Paulo classics and has been around for years. They don’t accept credit cards though so be prepared if you go here. The interior and service is on par with Fasano, the menu smaller (although Fasanos menu is huge) and more classic Italian. I chose the tuna carpaccio and the variety of grilled seafood. At this hour I am usually alone in the restaurant and this was the case this night too. About half way into the meal another guest arrived - a man with pale skin, black hair, black beard and a black suite. Later that night we bumped into each other at Bahamas too. If you are around on this board, please let me know who you are. I chose the house white wine with my food and the total bill was R$402.

Junior picked me up again at 9:15. Please notice that Biggie Smalls and Junior are always on time, highly reliable and a great choice if you are looking for a driver or a guide. The taxies are not reliable and certainly more expensive. After the meal Junior took me directly to Bahamas. I have been to Bahamas two times before, but never on a Sunday and on both occasions after I had been somewhere else first. So I have always arrived late at Bahamas. At this hour on Sunday it was great. There were several great looking girls around and almost no male clients except for my fellow diner from Massimo.

Three girls immediately stood out as the best looking girls. One very small, but very fit morena with quite dark skin colour. Two other morenas with a little lighter skin colour. The small one was the hottest and I waved her over to my seat.

If you have never been to Bahamas let me take brief pause to explain. Bahamas has probably the most stylish environment of the Sao Paulo clubs except for Cafè Photo. There is a big boite with a stage for strip shows (no shows on Sundays though) and a big seating area with a bar. Downstairs is a sauna and showers, and upstairs are rooms for bringing the clients for some fun. All rooms are made of Italian marble. Apparently Oscar the owner (and the owner of Brazilian penthouse) has set up a new hotel right next door. I haven’t read or heard anything about that hotel, but it would be interesting to know what it is like.

Most of the girls will dress in skimpy bikinis, so you are in no doubt what you get. At the end of the boite is a pool table where some of the girls usually play pool. It is kind of entertaining to watch the pool table because the girls playing pool are so lightly dressed. I am sure you can imagine a girl dressed in a tiny bikini bending way over to make a shot. Not at all bad. Ha-ha…. The whole place has got the feel of a Rio terma rather than a Sao Paulo boite.

The girl I called over spoke perfect English and her name was Caroline, but she calls herself Carol. She told me that she was a samba dancer travelling all over the country doing samba shows and had been in the samba show of several of the higher ranked samba schools in both Rio and Sao Paulo. She also told me that she used to be a dancer on the Sao Paulo TV show hosted by GuGu. Her body was hard, obviously well trained and she had silicon implants. I don’t like to do the girls in house. It is always a rush and I like to spend some time enjoying myself and talking to the girls, so when she wanted to know if I wanted to take her upstairs I told her that I preferred a takeout. She told me that she could not sleep with me until the next morning because she was a student and needed to study the next morning, but time was not an issue and she would stay as long as I whished. She wanted R$600 for this, but I talked her down to R$450 which I paid to her in cash when she left my hotel room.

Since time was not an issue and I had agreed with Junior that he would pick me up at 12:00, I told her that I had no rush to leave when she asked if I was ready to go. She had no objections to this and we stayed and chatted, kissed and felt up on each other for more than an hour before we were ready to go. The whole evening felt exactly like in a Rio terma except for the takeout. Her exit fee and my drinks where a total of R$107 paid to the house.

When we got to my hotel room and she removed her high heels, she proved to be really small. She reached me up to the middle of my chest and I had to bend down to kiss her. A small, hard and well trained body has got its advantages. She was so tight, it was almost painful – in a good way. Overall great sex – though CBJ only. I would have had her come back if I had more time in Sao Paulo. I had my mind set on Najla for the next days though, so I didn’t promise to call her.

She left me at around 4:00 and I went happily to sleep.

GK

Genghis Khan
05-26-05, 11:44
Genghis Khan,
I really enjoy you're posts. You dining stories are as good as you're monger adventures. I to have had a few flops over at Cafe Photo but for some reason I keep going back for more. I think I have had enough of the place. I think you mentioned Bahamas. I happen to think you get plenty of bang for you're buck there. I like it better then Bomboas.

You might want to try the Japanese restaurant at the Hyatt. I think its outstanding but a bit out of the way. They also have a fantastic spa there that I use on a daily basis for a straight massage. ( you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone by doing both during the day )
Just a thought.

Keep the posts coming.

thanks

Starfe

Starfe,
Thanks for the nice words.
I know what you mean about going back to Photo. I do the same and I will not stop now. Its the illusion of someday finding someone in there that will actually be as good as they dress up to be that makes me come back - and if I manage to find one of those, I think it all has been worth it.

Before I went to Sao Paulo this time I spent a lot of time on the internet researching which restaurants I wanted to visit. Kinu almost made it on my list, but in the end I thought from what I read that the others I chose would be better. I will definetly try it and the French restaurant at Hyatt (Eau) on my next trip though.

GK

Genghis Khan
05-26-05, 12:10
Nice reviews, GK,

Don't sweat the lemon from Photo. In Sao Paulo at the big places, I don't think its the house, its just the girl. In Rio at a termas like Solarium, the house seems to be very concerned with the quality of the staff. But at the big places in Sampa, I think its just a collection of girls and there are lemons in the bunch.

I too had a lemon from Romanza and a lot of guys wanted to say "its the house". But I bet if I took my time and interacted a bit more socially I would have found a winner. I had a great time at Bahamas despite many guys saying its not a good house. Whatever.

I also don't agree with the conventional wisdom that the part timers are better than the full timers. I had great emotionally rewarding times with clinica girls and a lousy time with a true full time student who works two nights a week at Romanza. In fact, its quite possible some semi-pros are even more uptight about the business and unwilling to let themselves enjoy the act, whereas some full time pros are absolute sexual enthusiasts.

But I will agree that not being able to see the girl partially unclothed is a big disadvantage. For me, I can just tell so much more about the woman's sexuality by seeing her body and the way she presents herself. Both of the lackluster times I had were with fully clothed girls. Also the lighting is important. One of my complaints about Millenium is that it was so dark and smoky that it was hard to see the girls. Bomboa on the other hand is nicely lit and there are no bad surprises, WYSIWYG.

Rovnak,
I actually think that in places like Photo and Romanza where the girls work freelance and don`t answer to any boss about their behaviour, they will generally not give you as good time as the ones working in places like W.E. where the managers actually requires a GFE. In places like Photo and Romanza they can get away with charging high prices and then not deliver because it has got no consequence for them. So in my opinion it is a combination of the staff and the girls.
GK

Carrib
05-26-05, 13:01
Excellent and well-rounded review of Sampa. You are definitely raising the bar. Sorry about the bad experience at Photo. At these prices, you should expect, or demand GFE and get TOP notch quality babes. For the reasons you mentioned, I've only mongered in Sampa a couple of times as I feel you get more bang for your buck in other cities. You could still get bad servvice but then again you are not out 400-600 reals.

I look forward to your posts.

Monger on

Starfe
05-26-05, 15:02
I had the sunday brunch also. It includes both Japanese & french food since both are connected by a hallway.

I ususally stay at the Emiliano for its location but on my next trip I booked the Hyatt since I end up taking a taxi there everyday for the spa. Will be testing its girl friendliness in 3 weeks. I need the front desk to book all my escorts, so it should be interesting. The Emiliano is outstanding at doing that for me.

Starfe

Genghis Khan
05-26-05, 15:35
I had the sunday brunch also. It includes both Japanese & french food since both are connected by a hallway.

I ususally stay at the Emiliano for its location but on my next trip I booked the Hyatt since I end up taking a taxi there everyday for the spa. Will be testing its girl friendliness in 3 weeks. I need the front desk to book all my escorts, so it should be interesting. The Emiliano is outstanding at doing that for me.

Starfe

I stayed at the Gran Estanplaza on my last trip to Sao Paulo. It is just a stone throw away from the Hyatt. This time I wanted something closer to the main attractions as I am not in Sao Paulo for business - just pleasure he-he....

GK

Biggie Smalls
05-26-05, 22:19
All Black is in Jardins, rua Oscar Freire ;

Yet this place is packed with expats and to chase non-pros ("paquerar"), gringos-free spots like Bar Balcao (a real good place, Jardim Paulista), Elephante (Moema, very close to the Ibirapuera Uni), Show Bar (Pinheiros), or Acuçar (nice and buzzy cuban bar, Itaim Bibi) are FAR better.

There's TONS of good and friendly regular bars in town, here is a good site covering the regular nightlife in SP : baladacerta.com.br.

Pro.Wanted to know if any of you guys have more experience with these clubs/bars? Thinking about trying some out, but for example, I went with my girlfriend and her cousin to "Show Bar". We were in line, and I noticed everyone else in line looked 15. I swear I thought it was a teen club so I left the line!!!! Anyone actually been there?

Biggie Smalls

Boozer
05-27-05, 03:58
Genghis - thanks for the great posts, especially on the less frequently reviewed spots like WE and Jardim America.

Photo has been hit and miss for me as well. This discussion reminds me of my last visit there (late last year). Interestingly, the hostess insisted on explaining that I should agree everything with the girl BEFORE I left, as they could not do anything about misunderstandings later. They must have had a bunch of unsatisfied customers return to complain, and I guess she thought I was a good candidate (must have looked like a newbie).

Since my Portuguese is very minimal, she offered to translate for me and also volunteered to point out the English-speaking girls. I was pleasantly surprised that they were that customer oriented. Turns out I found a decent date that evening. I will occasionally check out Photo on future trips, but it is not at the top of my list.

I'm looking forward to reading about the rest of your trip - and being jealous!

Prosal
05-27-05, 09:09
Biggie S

The only area to clearly avoid is Vila Olimpia where most of the discos and bars are frequented by teenagers.

I'm surprised about Show Bar, I personnaly always enjoyed the place ; Pinheiros has anyway a more pleasant and easygoing atmosphere and a much more older crowd than Vila Olimpia/Itaim .... in Jardins, Hotel Unique lounge is very good on Thursdays, filled with the "cream of the crop" of SP.

Pro

Genghis Khan
05-27-05, 12:30
Genghis - thanks for the great posts, especially on the less frequently reviewed spots like WE and Jardim America.

Photo has been hit and miss for me as well. This discussion reminds me of my last visit there (late last year). Interestingly, the hostess insisted on explaining that I should agree everything with the girl BEFORE I left, as they could not do anything about misunderstandings later. They must have had a bunch of unsatisfied customers return to complain, and I guess she thought I was a good candidate (must have looked like a newbie).

Since my Portuguese is very minimal, she offered to translate for me and also volunteered to point out the English-speaking girls. I was pleasantly surprised that they were that customer oriented. Turns out I found a decent date that evening. I will occasionally check out Photo on future trips, but it is not at the top of my list.

I'm looking forward to reading about the rest of your trip - and being jealous!

I see your point, but as you I am no newbie and know that everything has to to be negotiated before. The point is that these girls will not stick to their promises when you get back to the hotel. They will say they misunderstood you or that she is not so good in english or your portugese is bad so she didn`t understand you. They will basicly find an excuse to get out of the situation.

GK

Genghis Khan
05-27-05, 16:22
I slept late this morning and when I finally woke up, I had to hurry showering, shaving and get dressed in order to be ready in time for Junior to pick me up at 12:30.

My lunch today was booked at the restaurant La Tambouille. This restaurant was very stylish and the service very good. I had the carpaccio with mozzarella cheese and the filet mignon filled with mozzarella cheese. In addition I had one caipirinha and one glass of the house red wine. Great service, good food and a nice interior but not among the top five of this trip. I paid R$189 for the meal.

After the lunch, Junior picked me up at 2:30 and took me back to my hotel as usual. He told me that Biggie Smalls was getting better now and would take me to dinner and W.E. tonight. Like the other days I needed some more rest in order to be ready for this night’s adventure.

When Biggie Smalls picked me up at 6:30, he had brought along his girl friend. They were going to have a meal somewhere close to where I was going to eat and then both were to join me to W.E. My dinner tonight was at the number 1 restaurant for contemporary cuisine in Sao Paulo – D.O.M. If you have never had a meal here – you certainly have missed something special. In my opinion this was the second best restaurant of my trip – only beaten by Fasano, but the price tag was below half of Fasano. Have a look at www.restaurantedom.com.br
I had two small starters – Tuna tartar with foie gras and sea eel with foie gras and sweet banana. Main course was sesame seed tuna with sautéed palm hearts and mushrooms with ginger. Dessert was a chocolate pyramid filled with tamarind cream. As a wine with the starters and the main course, I chose a white Riesling. This was a meal for the history books. The bill amounted to R$412 with a cup of coffee at the end. This restaurant is great. You simply must try it.

Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend picked me up as agreed at 9 and we all took off to W.E. At the entrance to W.E. Washington greeted us welcome and we were shown to a table in the corner beside the entrance. Within a couple of minutes after we had ordered our drinks, a waiter came up to me and told me that he knew I preferred English speaking girls. He told me that they had a rather fresh girl who had recently moved from England. She was very good – he said. Did I want him to bring her over – sure, why not. Seconds later a girl who claimed she had lived in England for years came over to our table. She didn’t have a British accent though and she was not really that hot. So Biggie Smalls asked me if I liked her, and I said not particularly. So he called the waiter over and told him not to bring anymore girls over until I had seen her and approved first. The girl at our table spoke a little with Biggie Smalls girlfriend too and the girlfriend obviously didn’t like the situation. Apparently the “British girl” had tried to recruit Biggie Smalls girlfriend – or at least it seemed that way to her. So after a while we sent the “British” girl away. Biggie Smalls wanted to know if I wanted him to ask for Najla – and I approved. It turned out that Najla didn’t work today anyway. She had been invited to join a television show similar to Big Brother and was going to be away the entire week. I was a little disappointed, but there were a lot of hot girls around on Thursday so I was in no doubt that I would find someone tonight too.

After a few caipirinhas and some small talk between Biggie Smalls and me, the waitor came over one more time and wanted to know if I would like him to bring another girl over. The girl he wanted to show me was standing around the bar and I seemed to recognize her. I asked him what her name was and he answered Sol. It was kind of surreal as on Thursday I had been asking around for her – and this night I had not recognized her. It might be because she had changed her hair and wore a hair band today. While the “British” girl had been sitting at our table I seemed to notice that a really hot girl had sat down at the bar, but every time I tried to look over – the “British” girl put her face in the way.

I don’t know if you have read my trip report from about a year ago when I was at a party at Washington’s house when he worked at W Unico. Well, one of the girls from the threesome that evening was Sol – and she is one of the few girls I think of as special. She is slender, with long legs and a small tight butt. Her face is very beautiful and she is very energetic. Whenever music is playing she simply has to sing, dance and move around. Her sparkling eyes light up her face.

She sat down at our table and it was obvious she didn’t recognize me. After having introduced herself I leaned forward and asked if she remembered me. From the table behind us Washington laughed and it seemed that he actually remembered that I had been with Sol. She didn’t remember me, but after I had reminded her about our night with Gabriella she at least said that she remembered me. I don’t know if she was pretending or not.

So after “how are you doing” and catching up on things, Biggie Smalls excused himself and his girlfriend. They wanted to retire and I understand that it wasn’t as fun for them – his girlfriend having been tried recruited! While I had been talking to Sol, Milla (my girl from Thursday) had arrived and sat at the bar. She constantly tried to make eye contact with me. After a while she came over to our table and said hello with a kiss on my cheek. She whispered in my ear that Sol was a great choice. I told her that I had been with her before and that I too thought Sol was great. Milla whispered again in my ear that “her dog is great, try her dog”. I was really puzzled by this until I understood that Milla referred to “sex doggie style”. I laughed a little to myself about this, but made a note in my head to try her dog. Sol had her own car, so she drove us back to my hotel. I paid R$1306 for our drinks and Sols company.

Back at the hotel we showered together and had a really good time in bed. I usually don’t go down on working girls, but the sex was so much like sex with a girlfriend and she smelled good and looked clean so I did it anyway – and really enjoyed it – and from what I could tell she did so too. Her dog was indeed great and she provided a very nice BBBJ.

After sex we watched TV for an hour or two and then back to another round of sex. This girl absolutely wore me out.

Her great performance and attitude really messed with my mind, so when she told me that she really liked me and that she had to see me again – in fact she wanted to be my Brazilian girlfriend, I agreed. She then told me that I could not see Milla or Najla again – she didn’t like that. If I did, she would really be mad at me. No alarm clocks went off in my blissful state of mind, so I simply agreed. I usually never go with a working girl twice without at least some time in between to clear my head, but this time my rule was nowhere near popping into my head.

We made an agreement that I should call her the next day after she had come home from work, and we would go out and have a nice evening at a restaurant and then back to the hotel. She would drive, so no need for Biggie Smalls or Junior. I agreed, kissed her goodnight and went to sleep.

GK

MoonDog
05-27-05, 16:26
I see your point, but as you I am no newbie and know that everything has to to be negotiated before. The point is that these girls will not stick to their promises when you get back to the hotel. They will say they misunderstood you or that she is not so good in english or your portugese is bad so she didn`t understand you. They will basicly find an excuse to get out of the situation.

GK
GK,

Thanks for the great series of posts. Sorry I missed you the other night as it would have been fun to try W.E.

With reference to Foto and pricing, I never even talk about money unlesss they bring it up. If their performance is good, and in no hurry to leave, they are rewarded nicely. If they just eat and run, then their salary is reduced. PBS, Performance Based Salary.

Moondog

Genghis Khan
05-27-05, 16:49
GK,

Thanks for the great series of posts. Sorry I missed you the other night as it would have been fun to try W.E.

With reference to Foto and pricing, I never even talk about money unlesss they bring it up. If their performance is good, and in no hurry to leave, they are rewarded nicely. If they just eat and run, then their salary is reduced. PBS, Performance Based Salary.

Moondog

Yes, it would have been great to go somewhere together. My next trip is planned for october or november. Maybe we could try again then.

Your routine at Foto is very good, but although I have not been there more than a few times I have never met a girl that don`t bring up the subject of money. It might be that I am attracted to the wrong kind of girls or maybe it is because I am obviously not brazilian and don`t speak portugese.

GK

MoonDog
05-27-05, 17:20
Yes, it would have been great to go somewhere together. My next trip is planned for october or november. Maybe we could try again then.

Your routine at Foto is very good, but although I have not been there more than a few times I have never met a girl that don`t bring up the subject of money. It might be that I am attracted to the wrong kind of girls or maybe it is because I am obviously not brazilian and don`t speak portugese.

GK
Actually, neither on your part. I am as non-Brazilian as they come, and speak just a few words(less than 10) of Portuguese. Money is never brought up. If they do, I either agree or disagree. They usually change their minds if I tell them they are free to go. They then come back with a number much less than the previous number they threw out.

Moondog

Almotu
05-27-05, 23:53
GK,

Good post! Where is W.E.? Is it an exclusive club where only members can bring guests to or can anyone dressed decent get in?

How much exactly was the cost of Sol's company for the night? 600? 800? You only gave the total.

Thanks in advance,

Almotu

Almotu
05-28-05, 00:32
moondog,

karen roche has always been an obsession of mine. she went by a different name before but she had always gotten poor reviews on the brazilian monger boards. one of my pet peeves is if a girl don't kiss on the mouth, next is the obvious cbj. i read on those boards that her lack of enthusiasm is due to having a long time boyfriend. now that i read your lovely report could you elaborate on her performance and attitude. how much did she charge you? in the past i read it was $r200 for 90mins which seems like a bargain just to have those natural breasts to suck on. is she as beautiful as her photos?

hopeful,

almotu

Genghis Khan
05-28-05, 10:06
GK,

Good post! Where is W.E.? Is it an exclusive club where only members can bring guests to or can anyone dressed decent get in?

How much exactly was the cost of Sol's company for the night? 600? 800? You only gave the total.

Thanks in advance,

Almotu
Almotu,
W.E. is a normal club like Millenium or Bomboa. Anyone is welcome. The prices are R$160 minimum for consumption. I end up drinking more every time. I am not sure how many drinks the minimum consumption covers. They have rooms in the house where you can bring your choice of girl. The prices depend on what type of room you choose. Normal room is R$600, Suite is R$800 and the presidential suite is R$1500. You have the girl for three hours. You can also take the girl out to your hotel or motel. That is R$800. This is the normal pricing. In addition they have special girls that will cost more. Sol is R$1000 for takeout. Everything is paid directly to the club when you leave. They even have a book whith really special girls all the way up to R$5000. The girls from W.E. told me that they get 50% of their price. The rest goes to the house. The address is Rua Peixoto Gomide 263, Jardins. Read my post from Day 1 for more details about W.E.

GK

MoonDog
05-28-05, 14:17
moondog,

karen roche has always been an obsession of mine. she went by a different name before but she had always gotten poor reviews on the brazilian monger boards. one of my pet peeves is if a girl don't kiss on the mouth, next is the obvious cbj. i read on those boards that her lack of enthusiasm is due to having a long time boyfriend. now that i read your lovely report could you elaborate on her performance and attitude. how much did she charge you? in the past i read it was $r200 for 90mins which seems like a bargain just to have those natural breasts to suck on. is she as beautiful as her photos?

hopeful,

almotu
almotu,

she is every bit of a gfe as you will want. over the phone she quoted r$300 for an hour, but stayed for two. her photos are accurate.

moondog

MoonDog
05-28-05, 16:24
Since having such good luck from the Ellass website, I decided to try it again, this time with Tati. I called her a few days before arriving in Sao Paulo, and she told me to call her when I arrived. The plan was to meet her in the afternoon, and then meet my regular girl later that evening, along with LAGuy and Athos, and a co-worker. The night of departure from the U.S, I called my girl and she said that she would be unable to meet me and to go have a good time. So now the plans changed, and I just thought that this would be a night on the town with the guys after the escort session. It is amazing how plans can change so fast, and for the better.

After arrival and getting some sleep, I called Tati and we agreed on 4:00. Taking care of some personal items took up most of the time, and after completion, the rest of the time I just waited for her while browsing on the internet. There was a lot of rain that day, and traffic was heavy, so when it was about 35 minutes past the appointed time, I gave her a call. She said that she was only 5 minutes away, so I went to the reception to wait for her. She looked beautiful while signing in, with long blonde hair, and a very pretty smile. As we got off the elevator and started walking toward the room, I took her hand and she immediately started rubbing my hand and stroking my arm. Now you can take this two ways, one that she wants to get you worked up so that you will get off quickly and she can go home, or two, that she really enjoys the intimacy and wants to please. Stay tuned.

She did not hesitate once in the room, and was a complete GFE, with no intention of leaving anytime soon, and satisfied me in every way. Later while just lying there, she asked me what I was going to do that night. This was now about 6:00, and I was to meet the other guys around 8 or 8:30. I told her the plans, and she had the attitude in her voice that I would be better off with her. So wanting to cover all the bases, I asked her if she would join us as we had planned on going out to Millenium, and did she want to stay all night with me? She thought about 2 seconds, and said yes. She then said I was free to talk to the other girls and that she would not be jealous. Ha, we all know how that goes. I also told her that she could choose another girl to join us if she wanted. Things were rapidly falling into place. She had her own car and lived fairly close by, so she left to go home and to come back.

There is no telling what Brazileras will wear when you ask them to change to go out to a party atmosphere. This was no exception. We all met as planned in the lobby of the hotel around 8 and waited for her. She could have stopped traffic a block away in her short, pink, cocktail dress that she showed up in. As I brought her into the hotel bar area to meet the other guys, heads turned left and right. She was absolutely gorgeous. I never did get a photo of the cocktail dress, but will try again.

We were to have dinner at Millenium, and hook up with Athos and his friends there. We never did meet. He was there at the time, but I found out later that he was upstairs. Not a bad place to be at Millenium. Let me say this first about Millenium, the food was lousy, and this is the last time I will lever take a girl there to eat. I felt like I cheated her, as she deserved much more than what they provided. Personal opinion only, it is best to have dinner somewhere else, and then go to the club. Anyway, it was fun watching the girls check each other out as they were looking at Tati’s pink dress all night long. LA Guy made contact early, and then joined back up with us. As my co-worker did not care to partake in the activities at the club, the three of us decided to split and go to another club where the music was good, and the dance floor was large. Leaving Millenium was another story.

Be sure and bring your passport or copy of a passport, or other identification to the club. You are given a card that all of entrance fees and consumption are put on during the night. When we checked in, my co-worker did not have any ID with him, so he and Tati were put on my bill. During dinner and later, everything within our circle of three was put on my card. So while checking out, the bill came to R$390 and I paid it. As we were leaving, they stopped us and said that R$390 was only for one person, and they needed two times more than that. This was absolute bull, and after a bit of arguing, I did notice that my co-worker’s entrance fee was not put on there. I convinced them finally that all three of us were on the same tab, but that his entrance fee was left off. That was paid, and we were let out, but not before they tried everything in the book to extract more money out of us. Bottom line, everybody have their own card, and keep track of their consumption. This is the second time that I have been there and they have tried to pad the bill.

Anyway, Tati wanted more action than the subdued atmosphere that the new club provided, so guess where she wants to go? Love Story. Off we go, and we end up having a really good time. Tati was all wound up on Red Bull and Vodkas, as she had been drinking that earlier in the evening at Millenium. It is really a turn on to be able to grab the cheeks of a young beautiful ass under a pink dress while she is dancing away. Loved it. My co-worker hooked up with a girl at Love Story, but she turned out to be a complete flop. Pretty, but absolutely a dud in the sack.

Back in the room, Tati stepped into the bathroom, came out completely naked, pounced on the bed and wanted me to service her. Who am I to argue with a beautiful girl like that? The best part was waking up about 1:00 the next day, and having a beautiful naked Brazilera smiling at you with that long blonde hair flowing over her natural tits. She gave me a kiss, said “Good Morning,” and then started in on another round. These girls never stop, and they are simply amazing in their zest for fun and sex. She left to go home and change, and then came back and we went to lunch, and spend the next few hours just relaxing and talking. I will see her again.

The photos on her website, http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=417, are definitely her, and in the first photo, her figure is absolutely like that. This is the second time that I have used www.ellass.com.br with great results. With regard to money, it was never even mentioned throughout the entire two days she spent with me. She was compensated very nicely, as she was the complete girl friend, and a girl that I will see again and again. She is pretty, fun to be with, and awesome in the sack. Bring your energy if you come to see her.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog.

Genghis Khan
05-28-05, 17:08
Moondog,

Great post as usual. I really regret not meeting you, but I hope we will run into each other some time.

GK

MoonDog
05-28-05, 18:28
GK,

Our paths will cross one day. Until then,

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Genghis Khan
05-28-05, 23:17
I woke up early this morning with a major headache. I had forgotten to turn off the air condition before I went to sleep. I live in a cooler climate than Sao Paulo and have to keep the temperature down during sex here in order to not overheat. Anyway the air condition was set on the lowest temperature and on full effect last night. Now my throat was really sore since I had forgotten to turn it off before going to sleep. Thinking back on last night I was now in two minds about what to do. I had two alternative schedules this day. I had agreed with Sol that I would call her between 5 and 6 and later we would do something together. On the other hand I had also made an agreement with Moondog that I would meet him in the lobby of his hotel around 8:30 or later. I had mentioned to Sol the night before that I had this agreement with some friends and asked her if she wanted to come along. She really had no objections to coming along. So my plan was to take her with me and meet up with Moondog and the others. You can read about their adventure in his post a few days ago.

If you have read my posts from last year, you would know that I am a reserved person. I prefer the company of people I know unless I have a drink or two – at least on social occasions. Smalltalk is not my big thing. I think Biggie Smalls can attest to that. When the day started like this, with a major headache, soar throat and generally not in my best shape, I decided not to drink anything today in order to recover for some more adventures tomorrow. So I decided that unless I was feeling considerably better during the day, I would cancel my meeting with Moondog and the others – and stay in with Sol instead. I am sorry Moondog. I hope we can meet another time at different circumstances.

I shaved and showered before Junior picked me up at 12:30 in order to drive me to my lunch reservation at the Italian restaurant Vecchio Torino. This is another restaurant with three stars in the Guia Josimar Melo, so the food is supposed to be great. Junior had provided perfect service for me during these days, so I had told him a couple of days ago that I would buy him lunch – he could choose lunch destination from my schedule. He chose Vecchio Torino, so we went in together. He had a glass of red wine – I had water. I don’t remember what he ate, but afterwards he told me that he thought it was the best pasta he had ever had. I had a small risotto as a starter and lamb with mustard and truffle sauce as main course. Junior also had a dessert. Service and atmosphere was great, but I don’t think Vecchio Torino is as good as the two top Italian restaurants in Sao Paulo – Fasano and Massimo. The price was R$318 for our meal.

When I got back to the hotel, I quickly got back to sleep and slept heavily for a couple of hours. Again I was in doubt about what to do tonight as my headache had gotten worse. I thought about calling Sol and tell her that I could not make it. I set the alarm on my bedside clock to 5, popped two pills and went back to sleep for an hour.

When I woke up by the alarm I felt a little better, so I showered and shaved. I called Sol and we agreed that she would come to my hotel at 9:30. I had no intention of taking Sol along with me to the restaurant By Adriano Kanashiro. I have read about By Adriano Kanashiro in several web magazines and the dining experience there is special. I had preordered their menu degustacao which basically puts you at the sushi bar balcony and the chef makes you his best meal from the best ingredients he can get that day.

I like to dine alone. I think I enjoy the food more if I am not distracted by a conversation. You might find this odd, but it is the best way I can truly fully enjoy a great meal. I do like to eat in company with others too. I am not asocial, but when I truly want to enjoy a special dinner – I usually dine alone. That is why I didn’t bring Sol with me on this one.

Junior picked me up at the hotel at 6:30 as agreed. Before I got into his car I checked with the reception at the hotel that my reservation was OK. According to the receptionist everything was set. When Junior and I got to the restaurant, it was closed. According to the restaurant next door, By Adriano Kanashiro had been closed for a couple of weeks. I couldn’t believe it, the hotel which I had heard so many great things about, provided this kind of service. Several other choices for restaurant popped into my head like Kinu, Suntory and Shimo, but I didn’t know their addresses and neither did Junior. Finally Junior recommended I tried the Japanese restaurant Jam Warehouse which was fairly close. He had been there on several occasions and thought it was pretty good. So I took Junior recommendation and dined at Jam Warehouse. The dinner was nothing special, but OK and I saved room for a potential dinner with Sol later as she had told me the day before that she would like for us to go out to eat.

Junior picked me up again about an hour later and took me back to my hotel. I told him he I didn’t need his services for the rest of the day, but the next day would go ahead as scheduled. Then I walked into the reception and told them that the restaurant they told me they had made reservation at were closed. The receptionist said that was odd as he had spoken to the owner of the restaurant himself and the restaurant owner had commented that since I wanted to have the menu degustacao, I would probably like to sit at the balcony. I didn’t believe a world he was saying, but I decided not to pursue the matter any further.

Around 9:30 the reception called my room and informed me that miss Sol had arrived – and a couple of minutes later she knocked on my door. When I opened the door she greeted me with a long kiss and took my hand while leading me into the room. She had dressed conservatively (I like that when taking working girls out) and was wearing a long skirt and a top that didn’t reveal much. She told me that she had been to the stylist where she had done her hair and nails both on her fingers and toes for this occasion – which she showed me. I told her that I wasn’t feeling my best today, so even though I was sure she would have loved to go to some club dancing the night away – I wasn’t feeling up for that today. She told me that she had no such plans. She wanted to go somewhere to eat and then go back to the hotel for some cuddling as she put it.

She suggested we should go to a churrascaria called Barbacoa because it was both good food and not too expensive. I wasn’t all that hungry anyway, so I was just glad she didn’t pick a very fancy spot for us. When we got in the car, I didn’t recognize it. I seemed to remember that her car was white. Today it wasn’t white. So I asked her if she used another car today. She laughed at this and told that it was indeed the same car. She made fun of this all evening – she simply would not let it go because I answered that it must be because I was a little drunk last night.

Barbacoa was good – not like Baby Beef Rubaiyat, but an alternative if you are into the churrascaria thing. She told me a lot of personal things about herself that I will not put up on this board, but again she really made me feel that she liked me and that this was more of a girlfriend experience than a date with a working girl.

After the meal we went back to my hotel where we shared a drink in the bar before retiring to my hotel room. Again she performed the same routine – shower together - sex twice – BBBJ – very passionate and a lot of cuddling afterwards. Again she had to leave around 4:00 because she had to go to work early next morning.

I went back to sleep after we had made a date for the next evening. I would call her between 5 and 6 and she would come over to my hotel.

GK

MoonDog
05-28-05, 23:53
So I decided that unless I was feeling considerably better during the day, I would cancel my meeting with Moondog and the others – and stay in with Sol instead. I am sorry Moondog. I hope we can meet another time at different circumstances.
GK,

No need to feel bad, as being in the company of a beautiful garota is a great way to feel better. :)

Take care,

MD

Genghis Khan
05-29-05, 13:53
When I woke up this morning I felt much better, no hangovers, no jet lag and I was getting used to the time difference now. I showered, shaved and waited in the reception for Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend who picked me up as agreed at 12:30.

In the reception area of Ca’d’Oro there is one computer with free access to internet. I never asked if there were any other computers somewhere else on the hotel where you could pay to access the internet. Anyway if there is one issue I would criticize about this hotel so far it would be that this single computer was always occupied. There is a sign beside the computer saying that it shouldn’t be accessed more than 15 minutes, but no guests seem to care and neither do the receptionists. One or two more computers would have been great or the receptionists should have tried to follow up more on their rule.

My lunch reservation today was at the Italian restaurant Pomodori. Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend would dine at another restaurant close by and come back to pick me up about an hour after they let me off at Pomodori. Pomodori is a small bistro like restaurant with great food. I had ravioli filled with crayfish with foie gras as a starter, ossobuco with foie gras as main course and espuma of fresh coconut as dessert. The restaurant was kind enough to treat me to a cup of coffee and a shot of grappa on the house. This was a great place with a small cosy atmosphere and great service. Highly recommended. I paid R$191 for the meal. I drank one caipirinha while looking at the menu, but had only water with my meal.

After the meal Biggie Smalls took me back to the hotel. He told me that nobody would be able to take me to my scheduled dinner at Kinoshita because both he and Junior had to take care of some personal business. I told him that I would take a taxi there, and he promised Junior would pick me up after the meal at 8:30.

When I got back to my hotel I started planning for the rest of the evening. My thoughts were on what to do about Sol. I was fairly close to getting more emotionally involved with her than I felt comfortable with and I wasn’t really sure where I had her. I was fairly sure that it was all business to her. This is sort of a new situation for me. As I wrote in the report from day 5, I rarely go with a girl twice. There are several reasons for that rule. I don’t like to get emotionally involved myself. I don’t like the girls feeling that they “own me” or have any kind of first priority over me. The most important reason however is that what I like most about going out in Sao Paulo is the hunt for a new hottie. The feeling of being in control, or on top of the situation is a big turn on. I have the power to choose whoever I want among the selection of girls present. When you do repeats, the situation kind of turns around and the girl is in control. She knows you think she is special and that will put her in control.

I did plan to go back to W.E. on this trip and Sol had told me that she didn’t like me seeing any other women in there. That statement is what I am talking about. It puts her in control. I decided that I would dump Sol and maybe get back to her on the last day of my trip. It would bring me back in control of the situation. I didn’t want to have a scene inside W.E., so I decided to call her and tell her before she saw me with another girl inside W.E. Since I am kind of new to this situation, I wasn’t sure how to break it to her. So what I ended up with as an excuse might seem a bit stupid to you, but it worked. I called her and told her I needed a break because I didn’t want to get emotionally involved and I was getting very close. She asked if this meant that I didn’t want her to come over to my hotel and I answered yes. She told me the problem was just in my head and I replied that I knew it was just in my head, but the problem still remained. She accepted this and I told her that I would go back to W.E. this evening and hoped she wouldn’t make a scene. She replied that it was no problem..

After the conversation I felt quite relieved, so I went back to sleep as usual to gather strength for my nightly activities. When I woke up I felt refreshed and was looking forward to my dinner at Kinoshita with anticipation. I showered and called the reception in order to get at taxi.

My dinner reservation tonight was at the Japanese restaurant Kinoshita. They have a similar setup with their menu degustacao as By Adriano Kanashiro used to have, but Kinoshitas menu degustacao is supposed to be even more special. The chef will make you his specials which is not on the menu. Guia Josimar Melo rates this as the best Japanese meal in town. The chef will sit beside you during the entire meal and shares with you his recommendations for how to eat his creations to enjoy it the most as well as chatting with you. The meal consist of five small courses and dessert – absolutely fantastic. This was the second best Japanese restaurant I visited in Sao Paulo. It was only beaten by Jun Sakamoto which I wrote about in my trip reports from march last year and which will be in my trip report from day 9. I paid R$324 for my meal here. I lost count of the sakes I had. It must have been around 4 or 5.

Junior picked me up as agreed at 8:30 and took me to W.E. When I entered both Edson and Washington came over to greet me welcome and they showed me to “my” table in the corner by the entrance. Both Milla and Sol was present but at this hour no other girls really appealed to me. The selection was not as good as back on Thursday – and there seemed to have been spread a word around that I didn’t want to speak with anybody that didn’t speak English. After a while Milla came over to my table and sat down. I told her upfront that I was looking for someone new tonight. She said it was no problem. She sat down and we talked for a while about what I had been doing this weekend. While we were talking I was checking out the other girls and after a while one of the waiters came over and told me he had a new girl tonight who spoke some basic English. I looked over towards the bar and a really hot blonde with blue eyes, a firm muscular stomach which she showed off below her very short top and a very nice rounded typical Brazilian bunda was waiting for my decision. I told the waiter that I would like her to join me, so she came over, kissed me on the cheek and introduced herself as Andrea. Her face was just incredibly gorgeous – a borderline ten and her body seemed very nice as well. She was wearing jeans though and that will firm things up a bit that are not so firm – if you know what I mean. I was in no doubt however that with that firm stomach she would not need to hide anything. Milla and Andrea spoke a few words in Portugese and Milla told me that she had told Andrea that Milla and I were just friends. Somehow this didn’t turn out as I had hoped because Andrea never really joined our conversation and Milla kept talking and talking, so there was basically no chance for neither Andrea nor me to join in. After three or four caipirinhas, I was not really as aware of what was happening as I should have been and after a while Andrea excused herself and left our table. When she was about to get up, I interrupted Milla and asked Andrea if she was leaving. She told me that her basic English didn’t allow her to follow our conversation. So she left.

The rest of the night went by with Milla clinging on to me wherever I went and Sol stopping by us at regular intervals too. Nobody else came over to me and I didn’t see anybody else that appealed to me as Andrea had left upstairs to a room with another customer. Milla came with all sorts of suggestions about what she wanted us to do. Some of these suggestions got me quite upset. I don’t want to put it out on a public board, but I will tell you that I would never have done or been a part of what she suggested. The worst was that she would not let it go and kept nagging and nagging but finally she understood that I was not going to be convinced about that particular suggestion. Sol and Milla tried convincing me into doing a threesome with them. I told them that I didn’t think that my hotel would allow two guests at the same time. They suggested that we go to a room in the house and I told them that I was looking for a girl that would stay with me during the night and give me a repeat performance in the morning. Sol finally tried to convince me that we could go to her house and that she and Milla would give me a special price. In the end I got it through to them that I wasn’t up for a threesome this evening.

When they gave up on their threesome suggestions, we were basically alone in W.E. A couple of girls and two other guests were left. I considered my options – I could take Milla with me. I knew she provided great sex even though she was not among the top ten when it came to her looks in W.E. – or I could go to Cafè Photo and take a look at the leftovers there. I opted for the first alternative and decided to take Milla home. She excused herself for a few minutes before we were ready to go. She and Sol went into the elevator and took off to one of the rooms in the house. She came back about half an hour later and I asked her what she had been doing. She told me that she had just wanted to freshen up a bit. This night I paid R$1254 and we took a taxi back to my hotel.

During the taxi ride and in my hotel room I noticed that Millas eyes were red and her behaviour had changed somewhat. She was wilder and sex was just awesome. She really went for it and was even more passionate and wild than the first night of my stay in Sao Paulo. I was quite convinced that she and Sol might have acted upon Millas suggestion alone when they were up in their room. I am sure you understand what I am referring to now.

Since I was quite sure what Milla and Sol had done during that half hour at W.E. yesterday, I didn’t want to spend any more time with her. So when we woke up the next morning, I told her that I had an early appointment with a friend and that I couldn’t be with her. She got a little mad and told me that she couldn’t believe that I would choose my friend over her, but she showered and left.

I got back to sleep and made a note in my head that if Milla tried to hook up with me this night I would turn her down firmly.

GK

MoonDog
05-29-05, 16:15
GK,

You are correct in your decision in telling Sol exactly what you wanted. They respect a firm decision, and even if you go into the same club, you are under no obligation to take them, and they know that. Thanks for a great series of reports.

Moondog

Starfe
05-31-05, 19:54
A day without you're posts is like day without sunshine.

Genghis Khan
05-31-05, 21:24
A day without you're posts is like day without sunshine.
Thanks Starfe,
I have been loaded with work today and will be so the next couple of
days. My last installments will be on the board towards the weekend.
GK

Genghis Khan
06-01-05, 12:47
When I woke up, the time was 12:00. It was only half an hour until Biggie Smalls was supposed to pick me up for lunch. I showered, shaved and went down to the reception. Biggie Smalls, his girlfriend and Junior was waiting for me already to take me to lunch.

My lunch reservation today was at the Italian restaurant La Vecchia Cucina. They left me off at the restaurant and promised to pick me up again an hour later. La Vecchia Cucina is a classy Italian restaurant with main focus on pasta. I had the foie gras as a starter and a small portion of ravioli filled with ricotta cheese and a syrup and cinnamon sauce. I had just water to drink with my meal. The price was R$89. The food was good but not among the best Italian restaurants.

Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend were waiting for me when I had paid the bill and went outside to look for them. They drove me back to my hotel where I went back to sleep as usual at this hour. When I woke up, I sent some clothes away to the laundry and showered.

Biggie Smalls arrived at the hotel to pick me up as agreed at 18:30. He wanted to join me to my club visits today. Since I wanted to buy him dinner one day in order to show my gratitude for his excellent services, I invited him to dinner with me at the Japanese restaurant Shundi e Tomodachi. I need to keep this place in mind as it was a perfect spot to take that special garota - very romantic atmosphere. The food was also very good, but I ordered their Omakassè Tomodachi II menu. It is a series of small dishes. This meal proved way too much food for one person, so the next time I will order something from the sushi bar instead. Good quality food and very nice atmosphere. Highly recommended. I paid R$284 for hour meal together. I had sake with my meal and I don’t remember what Biggie Smalls drank. Biggie Smalls had just six pieces of maki.

Today was Thursday, so I was not sure what I wanted to do today. I had three options that I thought could be interesting. We could go back to Jardim America and find out what their international night was all about. I feared that it would be all sales talk though. We could go to W.E. and I could try to hook up with Andrea again or maybe some new hottie was around. In the end we decided to try the old W on Rua Alvorada 550, Vila Olympia which I had read on another board had been reopened recently.

It proved difficult to find the location of Rua Alvorada 550. I don’t blame Biggie Smalls for having difficulty finding it though as I have had the same problem with taxies trying to find the place too. In the end we managed to find it. I didn’t recognize the building as they had renovated the façade. I had read on other boards that the new owner of Jardim America, Jorge, now was in charge of W too. When we entered W it was still the same inside. This place brings back some very good memories from a time when it used to be packed with extraordinary women. Now only six or seven girls were present. We were shown to a table in the bar area of the club. For a more detailed description of what W looks like inside, take a look at my trip report from March last year. Four girls were introduced to us and sat down at our table. Biggie Smalls ordered a hi-fi and I ordered a caipirinha. None of the girls at our table spoke any English and none of them appealed to me. Biggie Smalls talked with them while we finished our drinks. One of the girls told us that they would have an introduction party this coming Tuesday and that it would be around forty girls present. She also said that the new owner was not Jorge but Maurizio and Marcello. These are the same owners in charge as the last time I was here in March last year. We were also told that Jardim America now was only a complex with flats for the girls. This was obviously not true as we had been there the previous Friday and checked it out for ourselves. After having finished our drinks Biggie Smalls managed to talk us out of our minimum consumption fee, and then we were on our way to W.E. again.

As this was a Thursday, I hoped W.E. would be as packed as last Thursday. When we arrived no tables were available, but once Washington and Edson recognized us they immediately greeted us welcome and gave us the table they were sitting at. It was incidentally “my” table at the corner by the entrance.

Last Thursday I had noticed two stunning girls which I hadn’t noticed during the other days at W.E. I hoped they would be present today, but they were not. Biggie Smalls ordered a hi-fi and I ordered a caipirinha. After a while Sol came over to our table with another girl which she basically planted in the available chair next to me. She was not a girl I wanted company with and I think Sol did this because she was a little mad at me. The girl spoke no Portuguese and I don’t remember her name. We talked a little bit with Biggie Smalls acting as a translator before she understood that we were not interested and then she left. After a while Biggie Smalls retired and I asked a waiter if he could find Andrea for me. He told me to wait as she was upstairs at the moment.

After I had waited about half an hour she came down and obviously knew that I had asked for her. She waved at me and made a few rounds greeting some people she knew before she came over to my table and kissed me on my cheek too. I asked her if she wanted to sit down with me and she just replied – “But you don’t speak Portuguese. You need to learn.”. I was a little pissed by this – I had waited for her about half an hour and now she didn’t even want to talk to me. I swore a little to myself and asked the waiter for my bill. I wanted to leave and go to Cafè Photo because no other girl really appealed to me as this Thursday was a bit slower than last Thursday.

While I paid my bill, I really didn’t notice what was happening around me. Obviously something must have happened as Andrea came back to me and sat down. It almost seemed as someone had told her to go back to me – but I am not sure about this. I looked around, but could see neither Washington nor Edson nearby. “I need to practice my English”, she said. Anyway Andrea told that last night when Milla had been talking to Andrea in Portugese, Milla had said to Andrea that I didn’t want Andreas company. If you read my trip report from last night, you would know that Milla told me something completely different. She said that she had told Andrea that Milla and I were just friends. As I wrote yesterday Andrea has got long blonde hair, blue eyes and a really gorgeous face – a borderline ten. She has got a tight muscular stomach which she likes to show off below a short top. As yesterday she was wearing tight jeans which showed off her typical round Brazilian butt. She is very calm, quiet and matches my personality well. I asked her if she wanted something to drink, but she preferred something to eat. So I let her order a small shrimp dish. While she ate she told me that she had worked for Edson for more than five years and that several of the old “W girls” that used to be her roommates had retired from the business and married customers from W.

After she had eaten she wanted to know if I wanted to go upstairs to a room with her. I told her that I preferred to do takeouts. She replied that she couldn’t leave with me. This week she had only worked yesterday and she needed to do more customers today, she said. I was quite sure that this was not an attitude Washington or Edson would like their girls to have towards a repeating customer, so I decided to try out how far she would take this. I asked her if it would be possible to compensate her for the loss of business somehow if she came with me. She told me that I could give her a present. I asked her how much she wanted, but she wouldn’t tell me. She wanted me to tell her how much I wanted to give her. I told her this was not my first time in W.E.. I knew the standard pricing was R$800 for a takeout. While we were talking about this, I noticed Washington looking at us. I decided I didn’t want to take this role play any further, so I asked for a waiter that spoke English. My intention was to tell the waiter what Andrea was doing and also ask if it was a regular policy that the girls should ask for presents to compensate for lost business when the customers do takeouts. Andrea suddenly changed her attitude and said a waiter wouldn’t be needed. She would go with me – no present was necessary. She excused herself for a few minutes. She needed to talk to Edson, she said.

When she came back, she told me that Edson had told her it was no problem to go with me and that I was very trustworthy and like a brother to him. When the bill was presented to me they had reduced Andreas regular price from R$800 to R$704. I am not really sure what happened that night, but it seems to me that Washington and Edson gave me a special price as an apology for Andreas little trick. Great service. I don’t remember the total bill from this night, but it was around R$1100 I think including Biggie Smalls two drinks which I paid since he paid my drink at W.

When Andrea and I was ready to go, Washington and Edson showed us into the reception area because when I decided to go with Andrea, they needed some information about the hotel I was staying at. I am not sure why they needed that this time time because they didn't need it any other days. They logged the information into a book. They wanted the hotels phone number and address. They also arranged a driver working in the club to take us to my hotel.

When we went outside the club waiting for the driver to get his car, Sol was also standing there waving another customer off as he left. She came over to me and whispered in my ear – “Are you going to take her to your hotel?”. I answered yes, kissed her on her cheek and told her that I would be back tomorrow and I would look for her then.

When we got up to my room, Andrea wanted to know everything Sol and I had done and what Milla and I had done in bed. She wanted to know if they had slept with me and if they had done repeat performances the next morning. It seemed that she was eager to copy the performance I enjoyed the most.

After she had showered and came out of the bathroom with no clothes, I got a little disappointed because her butt and legs packed a few more pounds than I find attractive. She told me that she had a child as if she noticed that I looked a little disappointed.

Sex with Andrea was mechanic and not as good as with Sol and Milla. The repeat performance the next morning was equally mechanic and she showered and left my hotel room early the next morning. She had to go to the pharmacy and pick something up for her, son she said. Andera is a very sweet and beautiful girl, but her sex is not top notch in my book.

I went back to sleep.

Stay tuned for my last night in Sao Paulo – Day 9. Even though Fridays are the slowest nights at W.E. – I managed to get a performance like I have never had in Sao Paulo before with two girls quite new to the business.

GK

Bubba Boy
06-01-05, 16:10
Your posts are like a great book, when I am finished I keep wanting more. It also highlights one problem with this board, the good posts, posts that take hours to write, get buried after a month by general chit chat and hence lost for ever. There needs to be a seperate section added, something like "keeper posts" - perhaps locked by a moderator.

Genghis Khan
06-02-05, 09:43
Bubby Boy,

Thanks - because I don't speak Portugese and since I am not in Brazil more than tops twice a year, I rely on boards like this to get the info I need for my trips. Therefor I think I have an obligation to give back what I know too.

GK

Genghis Khan
06-03-05, 22:07
I woke up early this morning and since Biggie Smalls wasn’t going to pick me up until 12:30, I started writing my trip reports for this forum. As I have written before these trip reports are not just for the forums, they are also my personal diary. I use them to catch up on old experiences and old girlfriends before I go on a new trip.

When the clock was approaching 12:30, the phone rang in my room. The receptionist informed me that my driver had arrived. Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend were waiting for me in his car outside the hotels entrance.

My lunch reservation today was at the Portuguese restaurant Antiquarius. This is also a three star restaurant in Guia Josimar Melo. Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend let me off at the restaurant and promised to pick me up again an hour later. Antiquarius specializes in seafood and what the Brazilians and Portuguese calls bacalhau in particular. My country is a big producer of bacalhau, but we export most of it and it is not a favourite among our population. In fact we use it to feed our dogs and cats with. Anyway since this restaurant was considered among the best in Sao Paulo and bacalhau was its speciality, I thought I would try it and see if the Brazillians know something about how to prepare it that we don’t do at home. So I chose a crab stew called Santola as a starter and had the bacalhau lagareira as the main course. The crab stew served in a crab shell was amazing, but the bacalhau was not really what I would call excellent. I find bacalhau way too salty. I had a bottle of red wine with my food. I paid R$356 for my meal here.

Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend picked me up again as agreed an hour after they had left me and took me back to my hotel. I went back to sleep as usual to gather strength for the evening. I woke up about two hours prior to Biggie Smalls scheduled pickup, so I wrote some more in my diary before I showered. Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend picked me up again at 18:30 as agreed.

My dinner reservation tonight was at the most highly regarded Japanese restaurant in Sao Paulo – Jun Sakamoto. I had preordered their menu degustacao. The option is like at the other Japanese restaurants with this menu option – you basically leave everything into the chefs hands. He will make his best from the best raw materials he has got at disposal that day. Jun Sakamoto is a small, formal restaurant. The waiters are dressed in black suits and the take your orders on PDAs and communicate with the kitchen via earpieces – very high tech. The sushi however is made according to old Japanese tradition – behind the sushi bar in front of the guests view. You have to sit at the sushi bar to be able to have the menu degustacao and at Jun Sakamoto there is only room for eight guests at the sushi bar – a reservation is a good idea. Anyway this meal was the best I have ever had at a Japanese restaurant. The fish was so fresh you could feel the resistance when chewing on it. The menu degustacao here was based on sushi compared to Kinoshita where it was based on small contemporary courses. I had five or six sakes with my meal and the bill amounted to R$462. This is a restaurant I have to come back to several times – highly recommended!!!!

Biggie Smalls and his girlfriend picked me up as agreed two hours after they had let me off at the restaurant. They were now to take me to W.E. Since last night I had exchanged e-mails with Marglo from this board. He told me about a great looking redhead he had seen on the opening night of W.E. and before that several times at Jardim America. I was in the mood to try something new and asked Biggie Smalls if he knew a great looking redhead that always was in the company of a black haired girl. Biggie Smalls told me that he thought he knew which girl I was talking about because he knew her black haired girlfriend. He didn’t know the redheads name though.

When I arrived at W.E. it was absolutely dead. Fridays are the worst days here. Edson was around and as usual welcomed me with a handshake and said “muito obrigado”. Fridays are the girls payday, so they usually show up to pick up their pay check and then leave. About ten to fifteen girls were present and among them were Sol. All the girls were sitting around two tables near the bar. So instead of sitting down at my regular seat in the corner by the entrance, I sat down at the bar. The “British” girl from earlier during the week came over and sat down beside me at the bar. She asked how I had been and if I enjoyed myself. I really thought this particular girl wasn’t attractive and she was way too pushy for my taste. I ordered a caipirinha and while the bartender served it to me, he made a motion towards the “British” girl as if he understood that I didn’t like her and she left me. Sol came over to me, kissed me and simply said goodbye. Then she left. There you go for having to be in control. I had not anticipated this, so I was uncertain about what to do now. Maybe I should leave.

While I was finishing my caipirinha two girls entered and sat down at another table. I had noticed them earlier during the week. One of these girls is almost identical to the twins Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson from the TV show “So little time” where they play the twins Riley and Chloe Carlson. The other girl looked very much like the first, but not enough to be her twin sister. After a short while they left.

When I had finished my caipirinha I went over to the hostess. She speaks some basic English and I told her that this was my last night in Sao Paulo during this trip and that I was looking for something special. I asked her if more girls would be coming. She told me that Fridays were the slowest night of the week and that she didn’t think any more girls would arrive. I know they have a book of special girls not normally present in the club. These girls are available on call to them. I am not sure how long time in advance you have to book them. Anyway I asked the hostess if it would be possible to see the book. She excused herself and told me she would look into the matter. She returned a few minutes later and told me that the book was not here today. She told me that she had something she thought would be special if I was interested in trying someone who didn’t speak English. She had understood from my previous visits this week that I would only have girls that spoke English. I stressed the matter that I had never actually made such a statement and that I would like to try someone who didn’t speak English if she thought it would be something special. So she excused herself again.

After a while she came back down with the two girls I referred to earlier who looked very much alike and where one of them was a dead ringer for the Olson twins from “So little time”. We sat down at one of the tables tried to have a conversation. I do understand some very basic Portuguese and they seemed to understand some very basic English too, so we were fine. They told me that they had only been in the business for three weeks. The Olson twin look-alike was called Jennifer and her friend was called Viviane. They were not sisters though – I had to ask. After a little chatting and one more caipirinha for me – a glass of champagne each for the girls, they wanted to know if I would like to have a threesome with them. These girls was so relaxed and much more down to earth than the other girls I had met during this trip. This fact and the recommendation from the hostess convinced me that since it was indeed my last night on this trip I would treat myself to something special. Even though the girls were no 10s or 9s their attitudes were certainly near 10. I thought it wouldn’t be possible to take two girls to my hotel room, so I decided to try a suite in the house.

When we entered into the elevator to go up to the suite, Sol and another girl came down. Sol hadn’t left after all. I didn’t care much for her behaviour earlier this evening, so I didn’t say anything to her and didn’t even look at her. I just went right passed her into the elevator with one girl on each arm.

Inside the room we showered together all three. Viviane had a great body and immediately when she removed her top her nipples where standing erect and she was dripping wet. This girl really wanted it badly. Her butt is amazing and she really doesn’t need to hide it in saggy pants like she did tonight. Jennifers body was also tight. Both had natural breasts. I am not sure how to describe the sex except to save it was probably the best I have ever had. Both girls were really into it and went down on each other as much as they did on me. It felt as if they were almost fighting to have me. I have had some threesomes before. Mostly it is a disappointment because the girls will not have sex with each other and because it usually will turn into jealousy among the girls. These girls were great. I whish I had met them earlier during my trip because then I would have been with them every day. After having used about ten condoms from switching back and forth between the girls, it all ended with me and Viviane in a 69 while Jennifer helped Viviane with a BBBJ. We collapsed on the bed three hours after we had entered the suite.

After we had showered and dressed I gave them a R$200 tip each which I thought they deserved. We exchanged phone numbers and I promised I would call them the next time I was in Sao Paulo. When we got back down into the reception, the club was empty. My bill was R$2100 including all our drinks – some of which had been ordered up to our suite.

They ordered a taxi for me and I went back to my hotel for some sleep.

When I wrote my report from day 1, I promised to give similar reports from day 2 to day 10. I forgot that day 10 was pretty much just lunch and waiting at the airport for my plane.

The lunch was at the restaurant A Figueira Rubaiyat. It was good. Not among the top ten of this trip, but I think it is recommendable. The atmosphere inside is great though, with the big figueira tree growing inside the restaurant. I had foie gras and figs as a starter and their speciality the mixed grilled seafood as main course. I drank only water with my meal. The bill was R$187.

There is not much else to say about my trip – so I will leave you with this but I will be back in October or November and will give you reports then too.

GK – Signing off from Sampa.

MoonDog
06-03-05, 22:14
GK,

I fully enjoyed your reports. Thanks for sharing with us. :)

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Starfe
06-03-05, 22:48
GK,

Your posts have been remarkable to say the least. The reports on dining were a breath of fresh air. What I have learned is that I eat like a peasant .
I will make it a point to broaden my horizons on my next trip down.

Thanks again,

Starfe

Peter P
06-03-05, 22:59
Thanks GK for the great 9 part series!

You can make a movie out of it ;)

Certainly one of the best reports in terms of scope and depth of coverage I've read for sometime. I'll nominate you for 'forum writer of the year' if there was such an award.

Carrib
06-04-05, 03:48
I dont think I can add to these compliments!! talk about how to monger in style. Great food, great wine, fine ass garotas. Your posts are like write-ups in travel and leisure mags with a twist (info on the garotas!)

You should think about starting your own thread. I have enjoyed reading your posts.

Sperto
06-04-05, 12:48
A good way to spend an afternoon in Sampa is to check out the 8-story houses.
- Rua Barão de Limeira 134: 8 floors with lots of women grabbing you, and maybe you grabbing them. It must be hard to find so many ugly women in one place. They could scare dogs. R$ 5-10 sessions. No thanks!
- Rua dos Andrades 69: Again, 8 floors with bottom low standard. I were surprised to fina a blond gem om the second floor. R$10 for what to turned out to be a 30 minutes session. Interesting experience.

- Cine Duque: 8 women offering BJ for R$ 10. All looked like nightmares. Fun to watch.

- Teatro Orion: R$ 10 entrancefee. Room R$ 40. Girl R$ 50-100. Some nice ones. Still not my cup of tea.

I think the best option for cheap sex in Sampa is Rua Agusta.
My favourites are:
- Blue Night: Several nice girls. Room R$ 22. Girl R$ 35 (bargaining).
- Night House: Even more nice girls. Room R$ 20. Girl R$ 40.

Genghis Khan
06-04-05, 14:11
If anyone is interested in phone numbers or addresses to the restaurants I visited, feel free to send me a PM.

GK

Pluto2
06-06-05, 15:09
GK

Why not post your restaurant picks in Sampa?

Just like the other establishments, list the location, style, price and recommendation.

All of us have to come up for air once and a while.

Pluto2

Bandy
06-06-05, 16:57
Pluto 2,

I want to thank you for creating a great SAMPA guide. Following this, I made a booking at Mercure Jardin for a week in August (6 -13). Rate is 180 R weekdays and 134 R weekends. 5% tax will be added. I explicitely asked about the guest policy. Guests are allowed. However, if you book a single room, you have to pay the difference of price (not that much, may be 30 R) between the single and the double room. The Hilton is now manged by somebody else and I could not contact them. If I can do better, guys on ground can comment.

Bandy

Rovnak
06-06-05, 17:38
Bandy, I can assure you from first hand experience that the "rate adjustment" for a guest may be as high as 50R on the weekend. I don't know what it is during the week and maybe it depends on your base rate. And that is per visitor. They adjusted my rate twice in one day.

FL Guy
06-06-05, 17:48
I am preparing for my first trip to San Paulo and have found your post very helpfull. I would love to know of a place/post I should look for to prepare my self for this type of trip? language/money-conversion ect.

Thanks in advance.

Flguy

Genghis Khan
06-06-05, 20:39
I am preparing for my first trip to San Paulo and have found your post very helpfull. I would love to know of a place/post I should look for to prepare my self for this type of trip? language/money-conversion ect.

Thanks in advance.

Flguy

FL Guy,
I am not sure I understand what you are asking for. Could you try to be a little more specific?
GK

Genghis Khan
06-06-05, 20:55
Pluto 2,

OK here are my recommondations.
I haven't visited all of them myself, but I have read reviews or have contacts that visited them. All of them are on my must-do list. The restaurant By Adriano Kanashiro listed among the 5 star entries is currently closed, but will probably reopen soon. The only restaurant I would have awareded 6 stars (Laurent) closed in November, but the chef Laurent Suaudeau will open a new restaurant/hotel late 2006 or early 2007. It should be something to look out for.

5 Stars.
Fasano, 3062-4000, Rua Vitorio Fasano 88, Jardim Paulista - Italian
D.O.M., 3088-076, Rua Barao de Capanema 549, Jardim Paulista - Contemporary Cuicine
Massimo, 3284-0311, Alameda Santos 1826, Jardim Paulista - Italian
Jun Sakamoto, 3088-6019, Rua Lisboa 55, Pinheiros - Japanese
Kinoshita, 3105-4903, Rua de Gloria 168, Liberdade - Japanese
Cantaloup, 3078-3445, Rua Manuel Guedes 474, Itaim Bibi - Contemporary Cuicine
By Adriano Kanashiro, 3078-5361, Rua Doutor Mario Ferraz 441, Itaim Bibi - Japanese

4 Stars.
Cafe Antique, 3062-0882, Rua Haddock Lobo 1416, Jardim Paulista - French
Le Coq Hardy, 3079-3344, Rua Jeronimo da Veiga 461, Itaim Bibi - French
Baby Beef Rubaiyat, 3141-1188, Alameda Santos 88, Paraiso - Beef
Vecchio Torino, 3816-0560, Rua Tavares Cabaral 119, Pinheiros - Italian
La Tambouille, 3079-6277, Avenida 9 de Julho 5925, Jardins - Varied Cuicine
Pomodori, 3168-3123, Rua Doutor Renato Pais de Barros 534, Itaim Bibi - Italian
Mosaic, 3842-0094, Avenida Doutor Cardoso de Melo 1197, Vila Olympia - Japanese
Skye, 3055-4702, Avenida Brigadeiro Luis Antonio 4700, Jardim Paulista - Varied Cuicine
Roanne, 3887-4516, Rua Henrique Martins 631, Jardim Paulista - French
Parigi, 3167-1575, Rua Amauri 275, Itaim Bibi - Varied Cuicine
Freddy, 3167-0977, Praca Dom Gastao Liberal Pinto 111, Itaim Bibi - French
Sabuji, 3814-1240, Rua Sabuji 40, Jaridim Paulistano - Contemporary Cuicine
All Seasons, 3082-3015, Alameda Santos 85, Paraiso - Varied Cuicine
Eau, 6838-3207, Avenida das Nacoes Unidas 13301, Brooklin - French
Kinu, 6838-3208, Avenida das Nacoes Unidas 13301, Brooklin - Japanese
Suntory, 3283-2455, Alameda Campinas 600, Jardim Paulista - Japanese
Chakras, 3062-8813, Rua Melo Alves 294, Jardim Paulista - Contemporary Cuicine

3 Stars.
Yabany, 3078-7773, Rua Professor Atilio Innocenti 53, Vila Olympia - Japanese
Kosushi, 3167-7272, Rua Viradouro 138, Itaim Bibi - Japanese
La Vecchia Cucina, 3079-4042, Rua Pedroso Alvarenga 1088, Itaim Bibi - Italian
Shundi & Tomodachi, 3078-6852, Rua Doutor Mario Ferraz 402, Itaim Bibi - Japanese
Antiquarius, 3082-3015, Alameda Lorena 1884, Jardim Paulista - Portugese (Seafood)
A Figueira Rubaiyat, 3063-3888, Rua Haddock Lobo 1738, Jardim Paulista - Varied Cuicine
A Bela Sintra, 3891-0740, Rua Bela Cintra 2325, Cerqueira Cesar - Portugese (Seafood)
Arleccinho, 3086-0528, Rua Barao de Capanema 568, Jardim Paulista - Italian
Gero, 3064-0005, Rua Haddock Lobo 1629, Jardim Paulista - Italian
Don Curro, 3062-4710, Rua Alves Guimaras 230, Pinheiros - Spanish (Seafood)
Amadeus, 3061-2859, Rua Haddock Lobo 807, Jardim Paulista - Seafood
Fogo de Chao, 5056-1795, Avenida Morieira Guimaraes 964, Moema - Churrascaria
Carlota, 3661-8670, Rua Sergipe 753, Higienopolis - Contemporary Cuicine
Jardineira Grill, 3845-0299, Avenida dos Bandeirantes 1001, Vila Olympia - Churrascaria
Tordesilhas, 3107-7444, Rua Bela Cintra 465, Consolacao - Brazilian
La Risotteria, 3068-8605, Rua Padre Joao Manuel 1156, Jardim Paulista - Italian (Risotto)
Shimo, 3167-2222, Rua Jeronimo da Veiga 74, Jardim Paulista - Japanese
Magari, 3073-0234, Rua Amauri 234, Itaim Bibi - Italian
Bistro Charlo, 3088-6790, Rua Barao da Capanema 440, Jardim Paulista - Varied Cuicine
Leopolldo in Casa, 3816-1363, Rua Joaquim Macedo 135, Jardim Guedala - Varied Cuicine
Shigue, 3885-9606, Rua Doutor Sampaio Viana 294, Paraiso - Japanese
Miyabi, 289-4708, Rua Sao Carlos do Pinhal 241, Bela Vista - Japanese
La Brasserie Erick Jacquin, 3826-5409, Rua Bahia 683, Higienopolis - French
Sendai, 3241-1129, Rua da Gloria 148 Liberdade - Japanese
Arabia, 3064-4776, Rua Haddock Lobo 1397, Jardim Paulista - Arabic
Bolinha, 3061-2010, Avenida Cidade Jardim 53, Jardim Paulistano - Brazilian (Feijoada)
Bargaco, 3085-5058, Rua Oscar Freire 1189, Jardim Paulista - Brazilian (Seafood)
Vento Haragano, 3083-4265, Avenida Reboucas 1001, Jardim Paulista - Churrascaria
Braz, 5561-1736, Rua Grauna 125, Moema - Pizzeria
Osteria Don Boseggia, 3842-5590, Rua Diogo Jacome 591, Vila Nova Conceicao - Pizzeria

GK

Pluto2
06-07-05, 02:06
GK

Thanks for the effort.

In reviewing your list, I think my experinces in Sampa are somewhere between rat on a stick and the three stars you list.

I got spoiled when I lived in Italy and the dollar was equal to a 20x boost in buying power for restaurants and other fun stuff. I ate out three to five times a week in high school at first rate places for about 10US a meal. And yes, a 10 for really full service was about 10- 20 US. Ahhh the good old days.

Ciao

Pluto2

Prosal
06-07-05, 09:27
Funny you mentionned the Cafe Antique, as the chef/partner of this place is a good friend with who I hit daily Love Story when I'm in town. He's in SP since years and is certainly the gringo the most well-known in E.Pestana/Love Story area.

Pro

Genghis Khan
06-07-05, 10:33
Funny you mentionned the Cafe Antique, as the chef/partner of this place is a good friend with who I hit daily Love Story when I'm in town. He's in SP since years and is certainly the gringo the most well-known in E.Pestana/Love Story area.

Pro

Cafe Antique is a great restaurant. Read my trip report from day 1. Tell your friend/chef/partner that I really enjoyed my visit and their cuicine.

GK

RexG
06-08-05, 02:48
Pluto 2,

I want to thank you for creating a great SAMPA guide. Following this, I made a booking at Mercure Jardin for a week in August (6 -13). Rate is 180 R weekdays and 134 R weekends. 5% tax will be added. I explicitely asked about the guest policy. Guests are allowed. However, if you book a single room, you have to pay the difference of price (not that much, may be 30 R) between the single and the double room. The Hilton is now manged by somebody else and I could not contact them. If I can do better, guys on ground can comment.

BandyBandy,

Like you I booked the Mercure Jardins. My first trip to SP is next week! (I've been to Rio twice.) I will probably change my booking however. Here are a couple trivia items I've learned about the Mercure Jardins:

1. After careful study of the Accor website, I have come to the conclusion that the safe deposit box is at the front desk, not in the room. Other Accor hotels explicitly mention that the rooms contain safe deposit boxes. This hotel (Mercure Jardins) explicitly mentions that the safe deposit box is at the front desk. For me, this is a fairly significant consideration since I'm in and out of these safes often on trips like this. (If I am mistaken on this point, perhaps other board members can correct me.)

2. For a long time I had Mercure Jardins and Mercure Downtown mixed up. They are about 3.5km apart. For some reason I thought that Mercure Jardins was next to Love Story. Other posters correct me if I am wrong, but I now believe that Mercure Downtown is near Love Story, not Mercure Jardins. I mention this because you made a reference to the now defunct Hilton Hotel which was also near Love Story. I thought perhaps you might be having the same misconception.

Anyhow I'll probably change my booking to the Mercure Downtown or, more likely, the Grand Hotel Ca’d’Oro.

Ecanto
06-08-05, 20:08
Bandy,

Like you I booked the Mercure Jardins. My first trip to SP is next week! (I've been to Rio twice.) I will probably change my booking however. Here are a couple trivia items I've learned about the Mercure Jardins:

1. After careful study of the Accor website, I have come to the conclusion that the safe deposit box is at the front desk, not in the room. Other Accor hotels explicitly mention that the rooms contain safe deposit boxes. This hotel (Mercure Jardins) explicitly mentions that the safe deposit box is at the front desk. For me, this is a fairly significant consideration since I'm in and out of these safes often on trips like this. (If I am mistaken on this point, perhaps other board members can correct me.)

2. For a long time I had Mercure Jardins and Mercure Downtown mixed up. They are about 3.5km apart. For some reason I thought that Mercure Jardins was next to Love Story. Other posters correct me if I am wrong, but I now believe that Mercure Downtown is near Love Story, not Mercure Jardins. I mention this because you made a reference to the now defunct Hilton Hotel which was also near Love Story. I thought perhaps you might be having the same misconception.

Anyhow I'll probably change my booking to the Mercure Downtown or, more likely, the Grand Hotel Ca’d’Oro.Yep Mercure Downtown is on the same street as Love story, basically 150 yards away. Mercure Jardins is a 10 min. cab ride away from Love story, basically 15 Reais during daytime, about 20 at time (unless you get ripped off).

As far as I can recall, you have your own private safe in both downtown mercure and jardins mercure!

Starfe
06-08-05, 22:57
If someone has a review of this massage house would you please post it.
I have it on my to do list for next week.

http://www.lafleurdejour.com.br/index.asp

Thanks

Starfe

Bandy
06-09-05, 03:41
Anybody has any information about this hotel?

http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/fichehotel/gb/mer/3541/fiche_hotel.shtml

Is this close to Love Story and Kilt? They have a nice internet promotion going. I vaguely remember that few years ago somebody was praising this place. But I never saw any recent report on this apart-hotel at all.

Bandy

Pluto2
06-09-05, 03:54
The Mercure Jardim had a nice electronic safe in the room. So did the the other Accor property that I used in Rio. It was great.

In Da Mix
06-09-05, 03:56
RexG,

I stayed there about 2 weeks ago and the hotel is located in Jardin Paulista area of Sao Paulo. If you go to the map section of Yahoo brazil you can map out the location by entering the address

1) There was a touch pad 4 digit safe in my room

2) The hotel has an excellent location in that it is 3 blocks to the consolacao metro on Avenida Paulista, buses run back and forth to centro on Rua Augusta, and there is a taxi stand on the corner next to the hotel.

3) The hotel is within walking distance of excellent restaurants and the Jardin Paulista prives. However, keep in mind walking involves scaling San Francisco type hills something I rarely see pointed out about Sao Paulo.

Pluto2
06-09-05, 04:01
I thought that I read a review where someone had TD Roisane and was very reved up about it. You might have to dig back 10-15 pages. I did not visit this address but at other places found the photos to be accurate.

If you pick one from the photos you may want to call ahead and reserve, the best looking girls can be heavily booked. At other places I found the difference between 60 minutes and 90 minutes was 30R, I took the extra 30 minutes.

RexG
06-09-05, 04:26
The Mercure Jardim had a nice electronic safe in the room. So did the the other Accor property that I used in Rio. It was great.Thanks for the correction.

Rex

Rovnak
06-09-05, 07:29
Starfe,

I went to La Fleur. I had session with Roseane. She looks like pix, a little older looking in person, at least 30, which is not a problem in my book but may be for some. She is in good condition. She is from Bahia. Very cool personality. She is not a screamer or bouncer or very demonstrative. But if you click with her, her affection is genuine. I characterized her as smouldering. Very nice behind great for doggy. I had a good time. Unfortunately, that house does not do live introductions. They have pix on the wall of the girls. There was one or two others on the wall that I would be interested in trying. Rooms have private showers, bed is small though.

There are 3 other clinicas within walking distance of La Fleur. Cherry, Chantily and Francebel. Cherry does live intros. Chantilly shows a book, and Francebel has pix on wall.

Member #4643
06-11-05, 23:38
If Larissa still works at Francebel, I heartily recommend her. That is, of course, if you like women who are totally into having sex. I have been with her three times now, and she does NOT like to stop. Indeed, on my last occasion, I had been with two other women during the day. After 90 minutes of non-stop action, I finally had my third pop, and collapses in a puddle of sweat clutching my chest from the effort. Larissa looked at me and said sadly, "is that all?" with those beautiful eyes of hers.

Unfortunately, they no longer have her photo on the Francebel web site, but she is a gorgeous blond with very large breasts. But her strength is not her looks (which are great) but her amazing attitude.

Starfe
06-12-05, 12:06
so its fresh for my trip next week

Day 4 tour de clinicas

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Since I relocated for business for a few days to Brooklin, I decided to check out the clinicas during the day. After it absolutely poured cats and dogs at noon, I set out at about 1:30 for a bit of a grand tour.

After getting a look at a local map I realized that Campo Belo and Brooklin are not too far from one another, I knew they were adjacent but I wasn't sure on the distances. So I decided to see as many lineups as possible in area first, only stopping if there seemed a sure thing.

Stop 1 - cab to Bermudas. I was curious about this place since it has a lot of good reviews on gpguia.net. No internet photos on site. So I wanted to see what they had. After taxi had difficult time finding place, I arrive and happily they present their lineup live, one after the other. They had 11 girls available. I met all 11, and I was only intrigued by about 2. So I said, thanks no thanks and went on my way.

Stop 2 - not raining now, so walk sevaral blocks from Bermudas to Clinica Brooklin. They have photos on wall but they also presented lineup live. I was not taken by any of the available girls, but I did see one come out to go off with the customer in front of me who I really liked the look of. That was Michelle. and I think she looks better in person than the photos on site. There were also photos on the wall of a beautiful blonde named Camilla who was in session (naturally).The early bird promocau was 100R complete, no tipping. Good deal, but I put it on back burner. I said "i may come back in an hour for either Camilla or Michelle. I didn't but this is close to my hotel so I may go there tomorrow.

Stop 3 - the Campo Belo - Congonhas cluster. I knew from my prior mapping effort that there were 4 clinicas withing several blocks of one another near Congonhas - Cherry, and Chantily, La Fleur de Jour, Francebel. I decided to circle in that order and see Francebel last since it supposedly had nicest and priciest girls. I figured I would see it last then decide to stay or return to one of the others. It was a cool day after the showers, so I walked nearly the whole way from Brooklin to Campo Belo, but took a cab for the last few blocks when I came to a big hill and realized I might not have much in the tank for the real sport.

Cherry - good price 130R no tipping. They had a live lineup. No great lookers. I knew from internet photos that I was really only interested in Sophia. She was not working today. So off I went to next stop down the road. Walked two short blocks from Cherry to Chantily.

Chantily - best pricing of all - 100R 1hr complete. Again, I knew I was looking for one in particular, morena Raquel based on internet photos and reviews. She was busy naturally. They had very small staff, book with only 7 girls and only 4 working that time. Raquel was supposed to free up at 4:00. So I said "Maybe, I'll come back at 4:00 for Raquel". I should have said "I definitely will come back" but I was not sure at the time. Walked about 6 short blocks to La Fleur de Jour.

La Fleur de Jour - pricing 160R complete. No live lineup, just pix on wall. I was interested in mulata Roseanne but she was busy for 40 more minutes. A Morena Sabrina also looked good and was free. Some others were pretty nice, but I forget names. I was tempted, but I figured, I came this far, I might as well see Francebel first. So I walked the five more blocks to Francebel. This was the only tricky walk as the required turns confused me at one point and I had to double back a block.

Francebel - definitely a different establisment from the others. Large staff of receptionists and security. Different facilities. Pricing - 120 to house, 50 to massagista, and then negotiate for extras - probable total 270-320. No live lineup, only picture gallery. Now, I have been to 5 lower end places that very day, so everything is fresh in my mind. And I went around that gallery and there was no single girl that was better than what I had already passed on. So I said, "so long". And since it was approaching 4:00 I went back to Chantily.

Chantily - 2nd visit 4:00. Unfortunately, while I was touring the neighborhood, someone called and reserved Raquel. So I thought it through, and said "Ok, I want a reservation for Raquel at 5:30". They said ok. And I headed back round the corner to La Fleur.

La Fleur de Jour -2nd visit 4:15 - I found that Roseanne had 10-15 more minute left so I decided to wait. This would me cutting it real close in orde to get back to Chantily for Raquel at 5:30. They let me into room, so I showered ahead of time, and at 4:30 precisely Roseanne walks in. She looks just like pictures. Probably mid 30s but body is well kept. Fantastic butt, probably best I'd seen in SP so far. Smouldering style, not bubbly. She is from Bahia. I said "I'm not interested in massage, so we went right to it. Some foreplay, good kissing, and then multiple positions. DS was outrageously good view. She was enthusiastic, and like I said, smouldering eyes throughout. At 5:15 I hit the mark. First thing that crosses my mind, is "I guess I don't see Raquel now." But after a quick shower, I thought, what the hell, for 100R I'll just take the massage. So I bolted, though I think Roseanne wanted me to stay the remaining 10 minutes, since she was just reclining there naked on the small bed when I left.

Now comes the fun part. I'm walking from La Fleur to Chantily. And I'm thinking, "man, I'm hungry. I have only had breakfast and now its 5:20" And voila, just like that I pass a small bar/restaraunt. I walk up to the bar, as for a big Skol beer. Then I ask the waiter if they have any immediate food. He brings an appetizer skewer of beef squares. I munch down two of those skeweres, sprinkeled with some manioc flour, down the beer, pay the bill and I'm out of there at 5:28. Meal pit stop in precisely 7-8 minutes.

Chantily - 3rd visit 5:32 - Yes, I'm two minutes late. No problem. They are expecting me And they give me another beer on the house. Send me into room. I shower and then Raquel pokes her head into shower. Wow, she has a beautiful face. Nicest face I have seen all day. She is early 20s but she is a little soft around the gut, probably from child. But body is still nice and I am not dissappointed in look at all. After all, I'm just there for the 100R massage. So i lay down, she rubs me down very professionally, very nice massage for about 10 minutes. Then she starts doing Thai massage on my back, and I start thinking "hmm, i may take more than the massage after all." Great Thai massage for about 5 minutes. Then I roll over and she gives me some of the best tongue kissing I have ever received. She says she loves to kiss me. I'm definitely in for more than the massage now. So we go off to the races and she is one hell of a performer. I don't know how loud she was because she was yelling right into my ear but she was enjoying it and she was even giving me directions on her favorite positions. With all the oil from the Thai massage were slipping and sliding just fabulously. And at 6:25, I said "bastante" and we lay still for a bit, then I showered and left with her number. All for 100R.

So that completed the tour. 6 establishments, 2 really good full hour sesions for a total of 260R. Not a bad day.

By the one that was just setting off with a customer when I arrived.

Starfe
06-12-05, 12:11
these posts should have a separate thread so you can find them asap:


Malicia web site (lots of photos of clinic girls and their work places)
http://www.malicia.com.br
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/

Escorts photos and numbers

From STARFE post, recommended escort site
http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=347

From STARFE post, recommended escort site, photos are phenomenal on this site, kudos for the photographer!
http://www.mclass.com.br/scripts/mclass.dll/resp

This place gets mentioned a lot, quality and reliability unknown.
www.sexdreams.com.br

Port. Language site with lots of info on all types of activities and cities
http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/


Bars and Strip Clubs 1st tier clubs

These places are should be first class facilities, staff and management. You are paying top-dollar (300-600R) and should not settle for less. The garotas should run from 7-10s and be able to handle themselves with some class. Most of these places have rooms, but the garotas are also free to leave with you after comping the house. If you take a room on site, you should expect 2-2.5 hrs in it with your garota, ask. Bar and food tabs can be paid with credit cards, “services” must be paid for in cash! Negotiate the price with the garota while you are still in the bar/club. Many of the garotas will give you their cell number if you hit it off, their fees will remain the same. Sounds like Los Vegas before it became a family attraction.

Bomboa American Bar - Pinheiros
R. Capote Valente, 222 SP/SP
Pinheiros - SP - F.
Tel (11) 3064-6494/3063-2944
http://www.bomboa.com.br/
Another popular bar to meet pros
+-150 do programa, this may have gone up too.
This place has a pool, do you bring a swimsuit? Or buff?
ROEBUCK: room R60, or R100 exit fee.
Entry R120 includes, 6 beers, or 4 mixed or 3 top shelf whiskey
Horário: 12:00h às 04:00h
Sábados das 12:00h às 21:00h

Bahamas - Moema
R. dos Chanés, 571-
Telefone: (11) 5542-2748
http://www.cyberbahamas.com.br
- + R$100 ingression + R$70 of the room + GP negotiable (most ask for 200-300)
Flashy, 150 girls, supposedly very "pro" atmosphere. Some love it some hate it
Opens 5 pm and open Sunday
Biggie Smalls has good review, “early Sundays (19hrs) is like shooting fish in a barrel”.

Connection Night Club Strip Club ~ Vila Formosa
Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1.178
Jardim Anália Franco / Tatuapé
Tel: (11) 6674-4702
connectionnightclub@terra.com.br
http://www.connectionvip.com.br
200R for girls in house
COUPE66 reviewed club on WSG

Love Story Centro ~ Republica
Rua Araújo, 232 -
Tel: (11) 231-3101
Entrada R$50,00 (dois drinks)
1/2 entrada R$25 (um drink)
Garotas: R$100 a R$300 (negociação livre com a garota)
http://www.danceterialovestory.com.br/
This place is very loud, so be prepared to shout your price.
Take out only.

Café Millenium ~ Ipiranga
http://www.cafemillenium.com.br/
Rua Coronel Diogo , 1199
Tel: (11) 6914-5588
150,00 garota presentinho (gift)
70,00 quarto (room)
70.00 entrance
near Praca do Monumento
Highly regarded place, some regulars say it is best place in SP now.

Café Gauguin ~ Brooklin
Street Arizona, 1550
(50m of Shopping D&D)
Phone: (11) 5506.5000
www.gauguin.com.br
MOONDOG, Off2Golf & Johnny Jets give positive reviews
Entrance 50R, Rooms on site: 200-300R for girl
Plan on 100-150R for libation

Jardim America ~ Jardim Paulista
Al. Gabriel Monteiro da Silva, 479
tel. 11-3086-0099
(close to Bomboa)
This place closed and remodeled, just reopened
40 GPs, like at Photo, but with rooms on site as well as take out
Assume first tier pricing

Eu & Elas –(Termas) ~ Liberdade
http://www.sperotico.com.br/eu/1.htm
Rua Pires da Mota, 494 (esq. da Av. Aclimação)
Tel.: 11. 3209-2756
supposedly more like smaller Bomboa
Gift 100-150R + 40 quarto + 80 entrada

Café Photo
Av. Hélio Pellegrino, 480 -
Tel.: +55-11-3849.2333 –
E-mail: info@cafephoto.com.br
Entrance fee R$160 includes 4 drinks.
http://www.cafephoto.com.br/
This is an expensive bar-restaurant where pros can be met
Dress nicely
Girls want 200-300R for their services for Brazilian guys
And 300-400 for foreigners, take out only
Girl drinks run 30-80R, can get expensive fast

W.E. (New high end place)~ Bela Vista
Rua Peixoto Gomide 263 (or 269?)
Consumação R$150
Red: R$250 + 10% Red=bottle of Johnny Walker for your use.
Gift: R$600 na casa por 2-2:30 hr.
Sair do local R$800 e você combia o tempo com a garo
This place and Jardim America are Jardins area alternatives to Photo.
Both have a fixed stable, and rooms. Prices are high, but quality is too.

Donna Café ~ Pinheiros
R. Henrique Schaumann, 140 - Pinheiros
Tel: 3082-6667
http://www.donnacaffe.com.br/
Donna Cafe is about 2 blocks from Jd America,
Bomboa is 5 blocks up from Donna Cafe
Donna Cafe gets started late. Try to get there after 10pm.
“More upscale than Kilt or Vagao, full notch or two below Photo in class”.

Kilt Shows Strip Club
R. Nestor Pestana, 266
Tel: 258 7207
http://www.kiltshows.com.br
30R entrance fee, girls 200R to go, no rooms.
This place got good reviews and more recently bad ones.
A few drinks and no action can cost over 300R
JWADD prefers three places across the street for slightly less attractive
and substantially less money with FS available on site.


RUA AUGUSTA 2nd & 3rd tier clubs ~ Consolacao

These places should be clean, well maintained-basic facilities and professionally run with no hassles, the same for the rooms. The quality of the staff should run 4-8s with no Harvard grads. Typical visit will probably be 1hr. for 75-100R unless you want to hang around for some reason? Street should be well lit and safe. The staff is freshest when they arrive, so arrive early. Most of these places should open around noon and 14:00hrs Any comments in this area will be helpful especially the exact addresses or landmarks.

Boate Balneario ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta just above 300 North, Near Centro
Entrance 20R sauna & 1 beer
Room: 22R for 40 min. Garota: 50R = 90-95R
This place has a large line up and good reviews
Should be first or second stop on Rua Augusta

Night House ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta, 723
Near cross street: Antonia de Queiroz
Tel: (11) 3259-5428
Prices: Entrance 10R, Beer: 7R ea.
Room: R17 Simple w/o Shower, or 22R "Suite"
Garota R50/40min, must negotiate with the girl
10+22+50= 82R
Girls vary; line up 12, well established house,
Should be first or second stop when shopping Augusta


New Maison Sauna
Rua Augusta
Across from Biblos
Mostly good reviews, large line up
Girls vary, 7R entrance, =80R 1hr.


Nova Babilonia ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta 781
http://www.novababilonia.com.br/ ?
Tel 11 3257-6185
Entrance 5R, Room: 15R, Program 50R =70R
Girls vary, mostly good reviews

Boate Le Paris
Rua Augusta
Clean house, girls vary
75R 40min

Reffered to as “Casarão –(The Large House)”
Rua Augusta, next to Blue Night
Address?
Large staff early 20s, =R75 45min.
Good reviews, staff varies

Biblos
Rua Augusta
=70R 45 min. 5R entrance fee
Some good reviews, girls vary
Rooms just OK

Boate Café Hut ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta 590
Tel.: 3259-8072
Entrance: 5R, Garota 50R, Room 15R =70R


AVOID
Blue Night, Tieta, Caribbean, Emanuelle
Rua Augusta
Consistent Bad reviews
If you have to, stick your head in Blue Night someone claimed to like the staff.





Appartments/ Privates

There are probably 200+ of these places; this is a sample of the ones visited by people that use their computers. If you are a local business man and need service during regular business hours, these are the places for you. You enter, there is a reception area where there is a line-up and you make your pick. Should be fixed prices, deal with the madam. The girls will vary; take the thin ones that the local guys probably don’t like. Oral no-condom and kissing are almost standard, anal is frequent. Call for hours or to reserve a garota. Pay cash.


Prive do Hector ~ Brooklin
Rua Bartolomeu Feio, 483
Brooklin - São Paulo - SP
Tel: (11) 5044-2872 / 5041-0249
http://www.privedohector.com
Open 10-02:00 hrs.
½ hr 40R, 1 hr 60R FS
12 girls on shift, 1/3 do greek
Ayla, Dani and Flavia Brenda are all popular with the Brazilian guys
This place has a large and loyal following


R. Gabriel Piza, 515 ~ Santana
½ hr 40R, 1 hr 80R FS
Opens 10:00 hrs til 02:00 hrs
Loyal following, 6-12 line up
Facility is clean and in good repair; “new rooms 80R” are 20R more than “old rooms”
Girls may be fresher than most of the other places and are reported to be more attractive, higher pay.

Desojes Prive ~ Santa Cruz
Rua dos Otonis, 541
Tel: (11) 5579-2228
http://www.desejosprive.com.br
½ hr 30R, 1 hr 60 FS
Photos of site look clean and well maintained
Priscila for greek very popular


R. Pitangueiras 125 ~ Pç da Árvore
TEL: 11-578-6877
Price 20R ½ hr, 40R FS 1 hr
Hours: opens 10-11hrs
Facility is getting tired and needs a rebuild
Simone is the Greek champion
Reviews of the girls (4-6 in line-up) are pretty good, loyal following.


R. Barão de Limeira, 134 (Prédio só de Privês) ~ St. Cecília
Near: metro Republica
8 story building referred to in WSG posts
This place is popular with locals; some WSG reports report mostly low quality at 1R per minute.

Clinicas

These are an upgrade from the privates and the 2nd and 3rd tier clubs. You are still talking about one hour, the quality can be quite good. There are many to choose from and most get good reviews. Check the web sites, while not all inclusive they are reported to be mostly accurate. Excellent middle of the road alternative.

Clínica Antares ~ Pç da Árvore
Av. Bosque da Saúde, 268
Tel: 578-9389 / 5078-8579
www.clinicaantares.com.br
Metro: Pc da Avore, 1 block walk
R130 FS, 1 hr
Anal few, oral w/o std. kiss some.
Loyal and happy following: web site accurate, book ahead recommended.
M-F: 11hrs ~ 22:00hrs; Sat: 11-20hrs
Good first stop at Clinicas

Discount cupons Antares:
Site Malícia: http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acom.../f.../cupom.htm
Site SexDreams: http://www.sexdreams.com.br/promoco...om_antares.html


Clinica Brooklin ~ Brooklin
Rua Joaquim Guarani 121 - Brooklin - SP/SP
Fone 5181-8000 / 5183-4555 / 5183-8764
http://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br
Preço : 110 Reais , massagem com programa.

Bermuda (good reviews) ~ Brooklin
Rua Ana Alvim 214 –
Tel. (11) 5182 6117
http://www.clinicabermudas.com.br/
1h00 R80,00-130,00

Clinica Cherry ~ Campo Belo
Rua Pascal, 2019 –
Near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport
Tel: (11) 5041-2119 / 5044-5696
http://www.clinicacherry.com.br
1h00: R$ 110.00 – 1h 160,00
Loyal happy customers

Clínica Francebel ~ Campo Belo
Rua Pascal, 1634
Campo Belo
Tel: 11-5533-6955
WSG site has many good reviews
Starfe: gets FS for 220 total, Room - 120R + Girl - 50R + 50R tip
If you believe the Brazilian site, they get little action here
http://www.francebel.com.br

CLINICA Chantily – (good reviews) ~ Campo Belo
Rua Sapoti, nº 41 - Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
Tel: 11-5041-7740
http://www.clinicachantilly.com.br/
½ hr 60R, 1hr 90R full service

Clinica Kin (lots of good reviews) ~ Campo Belo
Rua Visconde de Aguiar Toledo, 358 - Campo Belo
near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport
Tel: 11-5533-4722
http://www.clinicakin.com.br/
1h00 80-90R basic, full service 150R

Clínica Abbóbora ~ Aeroporto
Av. Miruna, 644 • Moema •
Close to: Aeroporto de Congonhas
Tel: (11) 5092-5787 / 5092-4168
www.abbobora.com.br
1 hr full service 120R

Ching Ling ~ Campo Belo
Rua Dr. Jesuíno Maciel, 1.755 -
Tel (11) 5093 6952
http://www.chingling.com.br/
M-F 11-22hr Sat 12-20hr
Prices? Call
Pics of Cindy are impressive, but no Greek

Clínica Berrini (good reviews ++) ~ Campo Belo
Avenida Roque Petroni Jr., 245
Entre os bairros de e Brooklin Paulista
Tel: 5182-1300
http://www.berrinimassagem.com.br
½ hr 80R – 1hr 120R FS

Clínica Quatro Estações (Four Seasons, good reviews++) ~ Vila Mariana
Rua Loefgreen, 1438 -
Metrô Santa Cruz.
Tel (11) 5083 4100
www.quatroestacoesvip.com.br
½ h00 complete 100,00 1h00 complete 140,00

CLÍNICA WASHI ~ Vila Mariana
Rua Doutor José Queirós Aranha, 148
Close to: estação Ana Rosa
Tel: 11- 5579-8587
½ hr 70R, 1 hr 100R full service
No web site, reviews are good.
Looks like staff is 8-10 girls probably not all at once

CLÍNICA BANGKOK ~ Vila Mariana
Praça Monteiro dos Santos, 65
tel.: 5573-4691
Call, this place may be out of business

Clínica Zen ~ Vila Mariana
Endereço: Conselheiro Rodrigues Alves, 516 –
Close to Metro Ana Rosa
Tel: 11-3486-8634
http://www.clinicazen.com.br
100R full service 1 hr


CLÍNICA ANEESH ~ Pompéia
DIREÇÃO: JAQUELINE( EX-TENTAÇÃO)
Rua Tavares Bastos, 543
(travessa da Av. Pompéia, próximo ao Hospital )
(30ish and black girls, photos not bad, aggressive pricing)
TEL: 3673-0480
www.aneesh.com.br
½ hr 50R 1hr 70 complete

Shangri-la ~ Perdizies
Av Pompeia, 1062 - SP/SP
Close to hospital Sao Camilo
Tel: 3873-7739
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/
1 hr 100R full service

Clínica Dra. Oyama ~ Vila Clementino
Rua do Otonis, 694
Near Hospital Sao Paulo
Staff on site looks like 7-10s and thin, all positive reviews
Tel: 11-5572-2498 e 5572-7286
http://www.dra-oyama.com.br
1 hr 120-130R full service, check the price my P is not very good.
Everyone is doing Vanessa Greek

CLÍNICA NEW TIME (good reviews) ~ Liberdade
Rua Nilo,395,
Cross Street: Do Paraíso
In front of Tênis Clube Paulista and close to Hospital Santa Joana
Tel (11) 287-9593
½ hr 80R, 1hr 100R full service, 12 -17:00 hrs, prices go up 20R later
Daniela (dani?) is a favorite of the customers

Clinica Sensualite - Lapa
R. Aurélia, 1526
Tel: (11) 3801-1450
No web site seen
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80R full service, cash price
This place appears to be new and busy, good reviews

Clínica The Palms (this is the high-end) ~ Vila Olímpia
Rua Gomes de Carvalho 416 - V.Olimpia
Midway between Brooklin & Jardines
Major cross street Marginal Pinheiros & Av. Dos Bandeirantes
tel. 11 3044 0366
e-mail thepalms@thepalms.com.br
http://www.thepalms.com.br/ (Site in English and Port)
M-F 11-23 hr, Sat 11-21:30 hr
Staff looks great 8-10s in web photos, can reserve in advance.
Prices look like 100R for house, 200-250R for the girl,
call in advance for prices it appears they speak English.
Recommended to get basic massage + full service to control cost.

SAUNA HOUSE ~ Bela Vista
Avenida Brigadeiro Luís Antônio, 1.278
Tel: 11-288-1818 e 288-9856
Estacionamento com manobrista
Appear to offer outcall
Hours 13:00 til 03:00 M-F, close at 02:00 on Saturday
http://www.saunahouse.com.br still under construction, so info is minimal
Drink plus girl 245R, full service
Looks like staff is 6-8 girls, reviews are positive

Mansão 138 ~ Jardim do Mar
Rua Espérico, 138
São Bernardo do Campo
Cross street: Av Kennedy & Praca Kenzo Uemura
011 4125-3836 4121-1413
www.mansaoelite.com.br
Massage HJ 80R 1 hr, Full service 130R 1 hr
Facility looks nice in web site 8 girls +

MILLENIUM ~ Jardim do Mar
Rua Baffin, 166 –
Jardim do mar - São Bernardo do Campo - SP
Tel: 11-4121-2841
1 hr full service 90R

Love Massage ~ Jardim do Mar
Rua José Monteiro Filho, 85 –
Jardim do Mar – São Bernardo do Campo – SP
Tel: 11-4332-5304
½ hr 60R, 1 hr 90R full service, 2 girls 130R
3-5 girls per shift

My Way ~ Itiam Bibi
Rua Leopoldo Couto Magalhães Jr. n. 777
Cross Street: Brig Faria Lima
Tel: 11-3078-3642 11-3078-6074
www.clinicamyway.com.br (Eng and Port web site)
15 girls, look thin, young and great in pics 8s & 10s
Looks like 1 hr is 100R plus tip, 50 oral, 100R vag. 250R is a typical price
Hours 12:00 to 22:00 M-F, Sat 12-20hrs

La Fleur de Jour ~ Vila Congonhas
Rua Baronesa de Bela Vista, 471
Tel: 5561-0126 / 5533-5030
Giovana, Theis and Desise for Greek
http://www.lafleurdejour.com.br
10+ girls 6-8 Vanessa and Rosianne look good in pics
Looks like 150R full service 1hr, call

Relaxe sem stress
Rua Eng° Figueiredo, 15 (trav. R. Bagé)
Tel: 11-5575-8847 e 5574-0983
No web site, looks like manual only, call

Clinica Femenna ~ Saude
Rua Guapiacu 45
Cross street: Av Jose Maria Whitaker, 400 block
Very close to Moema
Tel: 11-5581-0303
www.clinicafemenna.com.br
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80 full service
Hours 10-21hrs M-F, Sat 10-20hrs
10+ girls on staff 5-7s

Clinica Diva
Rua Antônio de Castro Mendonça Furtado, 180
Close to: Raposo Tavares.
Tel: 11-3726-7122
Hours: 11-?
150 hr full service
10-12 girls on staff
Call I can’t find it with mapping SW

Member #4351
06-13-05, 03:58
A cutie I picked up from Bahamas just left my hotel room. As has been posted previously, it's a good bet for Sunday evenings. The girls I chatted with there mentioned that during the week a large amount of foreigners show up, but on Sundays its mostly locals. I arrived at about 7:15.., following Biggie Smalls 7:30 arrival recommendation, the taxi was a little over 25 reals from Jardins with little traffic on Sunday nights, and took only about 10 minutes, hence my early arrival.

There were some girls still eating when I got there and little by little more arrived in the bar area. SP is a shock for someone who lives in Lima and is used to Peru prices. I have NEVER paid this much for P4P, but thanks to this forum and the GPguia, I had a good idea of the pricing as well as entry and barfine policies. 101 reals to get in, another 100 barfine plus drinks (I had my Arctica and the girl a juice...so I got away cheap -16 reals), all paid with plastic. I prefer my hotel to the on-premise alternative so after chatting awhile to the chosen young lady, started negotiations. She said that to go to a hotel for a couple of hours she would charge from 4 to 5 hundred reals. I told her that thanks to technology I had been able to read what the locals paid for each girl, and it appeared as if no one had ever taken her since I had never read of anyone paying that much. She smiled and we settled on 250 plus taxi. I then made sure that I wasn't getting someone who would insist on a CBJ. She initially said that this was necessary, but changed her mind when I said no way. Back to the hotel for almost three hours. She was a spinner, white, 20 years old with braces. Excellent performance. Thinking of what Genghis Kahn had been paying, I gave her 300 reals plus taxi. Her name is Graci. She gave me her telef., and I might give her a call in the future.

Rovnak
06-13-05, 08:20
Starfe, thanks for reposting that Rovnak report. I really envy that guy. He had a great time in Sampa. What the hell is he doing in the US still? He should get his butt back to Sampa.

And a note to the newbies, don't get thrown off by Genghis Khan's report re pricing. He was exclusively visiting the highest end places. There are plenty of other places that are not as pricey. Pay attention to the rate for the places you are visiting and don't overpay or else the scale creeps up for everyone.

Personally, during my brief visit to W.E. I did not see anybody that warranted a higher price than I had seen elsewhere, and I sensed that as a solo visitor I would not be very comfortable sitting there eating or drinking solo. It seemed like a good place to be with a fellow monger to talk and ultimately choose some girls but as a solo diner or drinker it felt too microscopic and confined, as opposed to the open grazing that you get at Bomboa, Millenium, Bahamas etc. I suspect for GK and others it is not just the girl they are paying for but the entire ambience, but you have to like that particular ambience or else its not worth it.

Genghis Khan
06-13-05, 10:51
Starfe, thanks for reposting that Rovnak report. I really envy that guy. He had a great time in Sampa. What the hell is he doing in the US still? He should get his butt back to Sampa.

And a note to the newbies, don't get thrown off by Genghis Khan's report re pricing. He was exclusively visiting the highest end places. There are plenty of other places that are not as pricey. Pay attention to the rate for the places you are visiting and don't overpay or else the scale creeps up for everyone.

Personally, during my brief visit to W.E. I did not see anybody that warranted a higher price than I had seen elsewhere, and I sensed that as a solo visitor I would not be very comfortable sitting there eating or drinking solo. It seemed like a good place to be with a fellow monger to talk and ultimately choose some girls but as a solo diner or drinker it felt too microscopic and confined, as opposed to the open grazing that you get at Bomboa, Millenium, Bahamas etc. I suspect for GK and others it is not just the girl they are paying for but the entire ambience, but you have to like that particular ambience or else its not worth it.

Rovnak,

I agree with your thoughts. There is no need to pay the amounts W.E. charges if you are looking for something W.E. don't provide. Having said that you should know that what keeps the regulars of Washington and Edson coming back is not the ambience and maybe not the girls looks either. The main attraction is the girls consistantly great attitude and performance. If they don't provide at W.E., they will not work there for long. In my opinion, they seem generally more conserned about their customers satisfaction than other places I have visited. One more aspect that differs W.E. from Bomboa and Millenium is the fact that the ugliest girls will not attatch to you and stay until you tell them to leave. You will be left alone until you call someone you like over or until you tell the waiters to bring them over.

In my opinion comparing W.E. to Bomboa or Millenium is like comparing a five star restaurant to a four star establishment. Sure you can have a really good meal at a four star restaurant and save money compared to the five star establishment, but there is generally a reason for that last star even if it is more expensive.

As to your slight suggestion that I am overpaying, keep in mind that at W.E. the prices are fixed. There is no negotiation about the prices at W.E.

GK

Member #4351
06-13-05, 13:11
Just in case I am the newbie aluded to, what I paid was well within the range of what the locals pay (according to the gpguia). Although I am a newbie in SP, I have seen what price inflation has done in LOS and other venues and therefore am careful not to overpay.

Thanks for the tip on not going to W.E. alone.

Genghis Khan
06-13-05, 17:15
David 33,

I don't think you should be discouraged by Rovnaks personal opinion on this matter. W.E. is a very special place and you are under no obligation what so ever to spend time with any of the garotas if you visit to see what it is all about.

It should be noted however that it might take a bit more than just one visit for them to turn on the magic for you. Repeat customers are treated like royalty even if you are there just to have a drink and never take a girl.

GK

Member #4351
06-13-05, 18:54
Thanks, I might check it out to see what it`s like.

MoonDog
06-13-05, 23:08
The previous two visits to SP had been very successful with Karen and Tati from www.ellass.com.br, so much so that my co-worker wanted Tati in the worst way. From the first time that he saw her, he started asking me for her, if I would give one for the team, and on and on. I laughed, and told him at least eight times, no. This was all done in a friendly manner as we do work well together, and it was rather comical. On our next trip to SP, he knew I had arranged a date for Tati to stay overnight, yet it did not stop him from asking again. What part of no did he not understand? :)

This date with Tati was arranged with some hesitation as I still had not heard from my girl, J. Although she was out of town the previous week, I did not have any idea as to when she was going to come back. Going with the premise that she might still be out of town again for this visit to SP, an overnight date with Tati was cautiously planned. Karen’s photos had also been put on a CD for her, and they had to be personally delivered. :) I wanted to bring Tati a present, so a visit to the duty free shop was in order for some perfume. They also had a small teddy bear in USA logo, so I bought one for her and Karen.

After getting some sleep after arrival, calls were placed to both Tati and Karen, resulting in an answering machine and appointment respectively. I turned on my U.S. cell phone, and there was voicemail from my girl, J, to let me know she was back in SP. Within minutes, my SP cell phone rang, and it was J. There was no way I could deny being in town now, so I answered it. She was happy, but wondered why I had not called her. I told her that I was waiting for her to call me and let me know that she was back in town. She did, and now we were going out again that night, with two other guys as well as my co-worker, and Tati was still supposed to show up, plus the fact that I had J’s favorite perfume nicely gift wrapped along with a teddy bear, which was all meant for another woman. Yikes, now what?

Well, the day is full of three women, two of which are supposed to show up at the same time, so let’s forget everything for a while, muddy up the waters a bit, and go see one of them, Karen. The plan was to just go to her place, give the CD to her, maybe visit for a while, then leave. The programa was not on the agenda, but what is it about a beautiful female, with tits wiggling under a lavender silk teddy that drive a guy nuts? She is so open, friendly, and sweet, and I fell really fast. She went nuts over the small teddy bear while unwrapping it, just like a child on Christmas morning. After a few minutes of looking at the photos on her computer, she looked at me with a sweet devilish smile, and said, “You want programa?” There was no way I could refuse this beautiful young girl, so bubbly and sparkly. I did take a photo with my phone, but it turned out bad so I will not post it here. There will be more photos of her and another girl in the future. She is up for a session with one of her girl friends, so this will be fun.

After leaving Karen, another call was placed to Tati, but still nothing but the recording. It was now about 4:00 .p.m., and I had planned to meet my co-worker at Balnero on Rua Augusta, and to call J around 5:30. After a few beers and playing with T&A at Balnero for a while, I stepped outside and called Tati one more time. Nothing. A call to J had her coming over to around 8:30 or 9:00. I walked back in to Balnero, took another sip of beer and looked my co-worker in the eye and said, “Do you want Tati tonight? She is yours.” His jaw dropped out of place, as he could not believe it. I told him that three strikes and she was out. Later he called Tati and finally got in touch with her.

Around 8:30, the whole show came together in the reception of the hotel. Two other mongers, myself and J, my co-worker and Tati, all having a drink and J not even having any idea as to what was going on with Tati and my co-worker. J had been with us the previous time, so knew him. She asked me later if his girl was an escort girl. I told her that I think so, that he had just called her today. End of discussion, now it was time for some fun. My co-worker and Tati stayed at the hotel. I talked to him the next day, and she stayed all night with him. She said her phone was not working during the first part of the day. Maybe, maybe not, but everything worked out.

Bomboa was packed and really rocking that night, and J knew about 10 of the girls in there, which brought immediate affection from all sides. Very quickly we ran into a favorite for both of us. She is a gorgeous blonde with a beautiful figure, and she and J really get it on together. Last time I was with these two, I had to wait my turn. Before we left for the room, I danced with her a few times. Damn, she was both pretty and sensual on the dance floor, and this was just a preview of the time to come. I will not go into detail, but suffice to say that movies and photos need to be taken. These girls are awesome, separate and together, and will make any man proud with one or both on your arm at anytime.

Around 4:00 a.m., Jo and I headed back to the hotel. Upon walking in the room, there were the two wrapped presents sitting on the bed that I did not give to Tati. J let out a little squeal, and was so surprised. Then the questions started:

J: “How did you know I was going to be here?”

Me: “I didn’t. I just took a chance.”

J: “But what if I was not here, who would you give them to?”

Me: “Nobody. I would have just left them at the concierge’s desk for you.”

J is now giving me the half dagger, half “in love” look. Finally she relents and gives me a big hug. The next day is routine, J using my laptop for her school work, and me just relaxing. After she left, I took care of some personal errands, and just relaxed the rest of the day. Hopefully, I can get J and her friend together for some photos, and Karen and her friend as well. I did call Tati before I left to try and make things right with her, and she was ok with what transpired. Problems over, plus many Reals spent, equals another successful mission. :)

Enjoy the life gentlemen,

Moondog

Rovnak
06-14-05, 08:55
Rovnak,

I agree with your thoughts. There is no need to pay the amounts W.E. charges if you are looking for something W.E. don't provide. Having said that you should know that what keeps the regulars of Washington and Edson coming back is not the ambience and maybe not the girls looks either. The main attraction is the girls consistantly great attitude and performance. If they don't provide at W.E., they will not work there for long. In my opinion, they seem generally more conserned about their customers satisfaction than other places I have visited. One more aspect that differs W.E. from Bomboa and Millenium is the fact that the ugliest girls will not attatch to you and stay until you tell them to leave. You will be left alone until you call someone you like over or until you tell the waiters to bring them over.

In my opinion comparing W.E. to Bomboa or Millenium is like comparing a five star restaurant to a four star establishment. Sure you can have a really good meal at a four star restaurant and save money compared to the five star establishment, but there is generally a reason for that last star even if it is more expensive.

As to your slight suggestion that I am overpaying, keep in mind that at W.E. the prices are fixed. There is no negotiation about the prices at W.E.

GK

Several points. I enjoyed your posts and your style. I just wanted new readers to understand the scale differences. Rio has seen rate creep due to tourists lavishing big $ / Euros, on the girls. Sampa is more insulated but still there is no point in being a soft touch gringo. And I am not suggesting GK was, because he was paying the going rate for the clubs he visited. I was pointing out that the other clubs do not expect the same scale.

As for the difference in price, I respectfully disagree and the 4 **** and 5*** comparison. Then again, I would respectfully disagree that 5 star restaraunts are worth the extra price over 4 star restaraunts. Its a question of value. How much better is a $250 bottle of wine than a $50 bottle. If you have the palette of a somelier, perhaps, but for most of us it is pure impression and suggestion. I payed more for her, and she was working at a high class place therefore she was really better. The same girls that guys rave about at Photo work for 1/2 that at other clubs according to many experienced mongers.

Sure, the WE type clubs will have attentive girls. But you yourself reported several less than stellar encounters and attempts to upsell, and possible drug taking. Perhaps statistically, the WE club girls are marginally better performers, but we are splitting hair on performance. The worst girl in Brasil was probably equal or better in performance to the best girls I've been with elsewhere. The majority of the girls were off the hook for me, including the 100R clinica girls I reported. And I am notoriously, notoriously picky according to my friends. But I do generally take my time and get to know the girls (clinicas excluded), so I get to go with ones who I like. The burden is on me to do a little extra legwork but I don't mind.


Finally, the other thing I don't like about the clubs like WE, aside from the extra cost for the marginal extra value, is that I have a hard time disengaging from someone once I have requested that they come and sit with me. This is the microscopic aspect I was referring to. At clubs like Bomboa you can float around and talk to girls for 1 minute, 5 minutes, or 20 minutes and move in and out like you would at a real bar. At a club where you have to tell the waiter, "please send her over", i feel a certain obligation to chat with the girl for a while and dicomfitted with telling her "ok, I would like to be alone again" or some such exit strategy. If the club were huge and there was an enormous pool to choose from it would not be such a big deal. But when I visited the W.E it was one fairly small dining area with only about 10-15 girls, of which there were only 6 free max. That meant that had I sat down, I would have had to choose from a grand total of 6. That is just too few for me given the high price and no mingle atmosphere. That is also why I susggested that it would be completely different if I was mongering with a buddy, because then I would feel comfortable just eating and chatting and periodically request a girl to join if the vibe was right, rather than sitting there alone and trying to figure out if it made sense to ask the waiter to send the girl across the room over. Just my opinion.

Honestly, GK, how many times did you actually tell girls to leave so that you could talk to another one? At most places I talk to 5 or 6 before I settle, even if that means going back to one of the earlier ones.

Prosal
06-14-05, 12:05
This discussion about prices leave out one thing : the Sao Paulo scene is a local market. Very few girls speak english, and the ones who do are logically the most gringo-oriented (with ALL that imply) and among the most mercenary putas in town.

A monger without portugese has 99% chances to overpay those english-speaking bitches ; on the other side, many girls -pros/semi pros- non english speakers will refuse to go with him, as they'll find this simply "no fun". Period.

Anyway he won't enjoy more than 10% of what this gigantic city has to offer.

IMHO.


Pro

Member #4351
06-14-05, 14:01
Speaking Spanish works more or less.

Genghis Khan
06-14-05, 14:16
Rovnak,

I do see your point of view and I understand, but I think that some might disagree with you - including me. That is the reason why I don't think newbies should be discouraged to try W.E. As I wrote earlier, there is no obligation to take a girl.

I also respectfully disagree that we are splitting hairs concerning the quality of the performance from a girl working at W.E. compared to a girl from Bomboa/Millenium. I have only had one bad performance from a girl from Washington or Edson and they will stay with you all night and the next morning as your company in addition to the sex. For some that is a quality worth the extra price. Some don't like that the girls will hurry out of your hotel room or back down to the boite after sex to find the next "victim".

Concerning your suggestion about drug taking, I didn't explicitly write that there was any drug taking as I don't know this. I have however read that this is quite common among girls at the other clubs as well. So W.E. is probably not worse than anywhere else in this regard.

I would also like to add that from your description of the situation at W.E. when you visited, it was probably a very slow night or very late. Most of the action happens before 11. If that was the only night you have visited, I would suggest you try it again as you have probably gotten the wrong impression.

I admit to not talking to many girls each night before I settled. The reason is not that I don't find a way to get rid of the ones I don't like or because I am not particular about my choice. The reason is simply that in W.E. I don't have to interview that many garotas before I find someone I like. This is basically because all have great attitudes so what you have to be picky about is their looks - and this can be viewed from a distance before you make your choice. You don't have to negotiate about money either. So that is no reason for a good garota to turn sour, which it does in many other establishments.

GK

Rovnak
06-15-05, 08:53
Ok GK,

I see your points as well. I'm probably just irritable about not being in Brasil and jealous that you were there more recently than me.

I totally agree that some will disagree with me. I was just giving the contrarian view because some will also agree with me if they identify with my points. For the record, I don't always agree with my position. Sometimes I just state the contrary to provide a balancing effect. Call this my Libra nature.

If I had walked into WE that night and saw a lights out daydream Brasileira I would probably have payed whatever they asked and I would be here raving about how great that place is. I still want to check out Cafe Photo for myself.

I think our discussion has been good just so that mongers get a complete impression of the place, from both biases. This board was definitely in need of some reviews of the WE style houses and I'm glad you provided it. I had searched high and low for information on WE, Jardim America etc. and found very little.

Peace and may you find your way back to Brasil soon.

Genghis Khan
06-15-05, 18:57
Ok GK,

I see your points as well. I'm probably just irritable about not being in Brasil and jealous that you were there more recently than me.

I totally agree that some will disagree with me. I was just giving the contrarian view because some will also agree with me if they identify with my points. For the record, I don't always agree with my position. Sometimes I just state the contrary to provide a balancing effect. Call this my Libra nature.

If I had walked into WE that night and saw a lights out daydream Brasileira I would probably have payed whatever they asked and I would be here raving about how great that place is. I still want to check out Cafe Photo for myself.

I think our discussion has been good just so that mongers get a complete impression of the place, from both biases. This board was definitely in need of some reviews of the WE style houses and I'm glad you provided it. I had searched high and low for information on WE, Jardim America etc. and found very little.

Peace and may you find your way back to Brasil soon.

Rovnak,

There are no hard feelings on my part what so ever. I like a good discussion and you make your points well - and as you say some might agree with you 100%.

GK

Ecanto
06-15-05, 20:13
This discussion about prices leave out one thing : the Sao Paulo scene is a local market. Very few girls speak english, and the ones who do are logically the most gringo-oriented (with ALL that imply) and among the most mercenary putas in town.

A monger without portugese has 99% chances to overpay those english-speaking bitches ; on the other side, many girls -pros/semi pros- non english speakers will refuse to go with him, as they'll find this simply "no fun". Period.

Anyway he won't enjoy more than 10% of what this gigantic city has to offer.

IMHO.

ProSorry, but I have to disagree. I hardly speak portuguese (meaning I can ask someone her name, and that is about it) and still had fun in SP. It didn't prevent me going to Bomboa, massage parlours or Love Story, and enjoy those places.

Did I overpay? Not if I refer myself to what is said on this board as to what the prices should be. In fact, if you ask me, prices seems more to be a question of attitue than of language. If you look and behave like a sucker, well tough luck!!! The only thing I will grant you is that if you dont speak portuguese, you cannot bullshit people and get a better than normal price.

Frankly, the only difficult thing is, if you are linguistically challenged, to negociate on the telephone. There are no problem when you are face to face.

Starfe
06-16-05, 00:18
the palms massage.

who ever posted this place, a big thank you. i think it was rovnak or pluto. been to francebel & la fleur in the last 24 hours but the palms was the most interesting. tried lotus this afternoon but going back for nicky tonight.
its 150r for the massage and another 75r for bbbj. lotus had my kind of body. she has braces but they dissapear rather quickly duirng the deed. vegas type body with real tits. i would take her in a heart beat at my hotel but she mentioned 300 u.s.. that's crazy since i only bother with them for 1 hour.

nicky looks like a dream. at the palm they show 10 pic of the girls which really help to get a full view.you really need to book ahead as has been posted. i just dropped ( 3pm ) in and they had 6 girls. any of them as good as francebel. this is a very gfe from staff to the therapists.
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saw patricia this afternoon from

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=460

i would rate her a 7.5. not the greatest face but a very smart looking body who does a bbbj. i give alot of orders and she followed them all to a "t" considering neither one of understood each other.
total 275r for 80 minutes. she was right on time which i like.
+ today i had 2 massages at the hyatt so i can slide my way around this town. + i had 2 massages yesterday with another 6 to go by saturday. its overkill in that department. by 12am i am just plain tuckered out. i wish i could go to 3am but those days are long gone.


gk,

i have been eating at the hotel here . not enough time to see 3 or 4 girls and eat in the same day. i will try for 2 of them before friday. ( the list )

franecbel : i saw tatiana. a 9 body. almost to hard for me. she says her tits are real . i say the dr from 90210 worked on them. this was full service 220r for everything. 120r for the room & 100r for bbbj and sex. i really did not want the sex but she really wanted the 100r.

francebel is getting a little stale. same pics over and over again. they need to upgrade the pic room. otherwise its great.

will post on la fleur tomorrow.

i went to bahamas last night also . this is all with 36 hours mind you. i passed on bahamas but i have to say i saw the best crop of girls i ever seen. ever. i was just to tuckered out from arriving yesterday. also american arlines lost my bag so i was wee bit tangy from the same clothes. my bag arrived a few hours ago. gee its nice to change your undies after 36 hours . american airlines also delayed my 777 flight to miami which got the day off to a bad start. they did manage to get me on the non-stop . god i hate that plane ( 763? ) even in business class.

by the way the hyatt staff is wonderful for booking escorts and making calls to find out prices. everyone at the hotel does it. i was worried about that. not anymore.


moondog,

i have feverishly been trying to reach
http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=417 with no luck. i think you mentioned her in your last post. that caught my eye.

sorry for the mixed up report ( spelling & grammar ) but that's how i do it.



regards,

starfe

p.s. the 20m cialis does help

Rovnak
06-16-05, 06:30
Starfe,

Yeah, Palms was my recommendation. That and My Way in the same neighborhood were top clinicas that I visited. I great times with 2 from My Way and 1 from Palms. I thought the quality was so high that I figured I might as well stay in Itaim Bibi next time so I can walk there during the days, and hook up with some after work. The girls in the Palms book would definitely stack up to the top 10% of what I saw in the boites.

Be prepared for a possible drop off at La Fleur. It is half the price and the girls are not as top end for looks. Still there is value, hopefully. I went to La Fleur BEFORE I went to Palms and My Way so I did not experience a drop off. But you on the other hand, started at the top. Cheers.

PS. A Palms I saw little Sabrina. Palms has quite a few model tall girls but I chose Sabrina who is a shortie. But she was the epitome of gostosa, from head to precious little feet. She was new at the time and really really felt like an almost shy girlfriend. I'm not a big bj connoseur like yourself, so I cannot comment on that aspect.

Starfe
06-16-05, 22:13
my 4th massage of the day + a facial. This is getting out of hand.

First the Palms: I saw Kiara. This girl is pure perfection. She is a perfect 10 all around. Great attitude and a body that just does not quite. Dark hair wonderful breasts and a very dedicated worker. I could not take my eyes off her. There is not a flaw on her body except a tattoo on her back. This is a no brainer for those who hate to think much. No english but takes wonderful directions when you point. Again 150R for the room and 50r for HJ and covered bj. She was worth 100 more just to stare at her. This is centerfold material.

Then headed over to No Way where I saw Gabriala.( i like big girls ) Another great body but no where as girl friendly as Kiara. i did see Marcela as i was leaving and will try to see her tom. My problem is I booked Pietra at The Palms. Now Pietra looks much better in person then her pics. She is 5'10" or close to it. All legs and nice tits.

I have a decision to make tom : which one or do i go to both places? The traffic getting back to Hyatt at 5pm was a nightmare and that will play a part in where I end up.

I have every intention of getting a piece of tail at Bahamas tonight. My mind says you can do it but my body says " are you kidding ".


I almost forgot, i saw Nicky last night at about 10pm at the Palms. That totally slipped my mind. Will report on that later

It should also be noted that I overpay for everything down here. I pay gringo prices since I am on a tight schedule time wise. I give myself 5 nights to fill my cup and thats not a very long time.

Starfe

Bandy
06-16-05, 22:19
Starfe,

Is full service available at Palms or only BJ? If it is, how much does it cost? Thanks.

Bandy

Starfe
06-17-05, 00:17
Full service all the way. They even had condoms next to the business cards as you check in. There were condoms on the tables in the 3 rooms I have been in. + it seems all the girls carry them in there purses. I did not take full service there just a bj and hj for 155R and a 50r tip.
Francebel was the only place I took full service and you can see the prices below. I have yet to go with a girl at Fancebel that did not pull out a condom at some point during the session.

The few girls I have tried to reach for late night escort service have been impossible to reach on the phone. So be it.

Starfe
06-17-05, 00:35
Rovnak

I could swear that I had a session with Sabrina at Francebel a few months ago. As soon as I saw her pic I knew it. She just melts your heart at first sight.

Hopefully I will have some good news from Bahamas tonight.

Rovnak
06-17-05, 08:16
Palms is not cheap for FS. I think it is 150 to the house and another 150 to the girl, some may ask for more as it is negotiated in room.

As I recall My Way was slightly cheaper at 150 for house and I paid 100 for the garota.

By the way, the "tip" for the garota is called a "presentina".

Testure
06-17-05, 11:15
Speaking of clínicas I was in the Berrini neighbourhood yesterday and passed by Berrini Massagem (www.berrinimassagem.com.br). Nice facilities and lots of girls to choose from. However I thought all of them looked better at the photos on the website than in person. Noticed that even the receptionist was bothered about the girls attitude at the moment and put up small sign telling the girls to smile and look at the client, while doing the presentation. The receptionist is very good, by the way. Very friendly girl that even stopped me from overpaying when I left, as I had misunderstood the prices (probably jetlag...).

Anyway I decided to go with Yasmim, as she had a beautiful, thin body with an amazingly sexy butt, no tattoos except for three small stars on her right foot, which she told me signifies her, her brother and her father as they live together. She is only 18 and wears braces and has somewhat small breasts. She was the nicest looking girl that had the best attitude during presentation and had a cute, shy smile. Does not show her face on website. The session was good, but nothing to get very excited about. We had a nice chat during the massage, but I could tell that she was very shy and this is probably because she has only worked there for a month or so. The biggest problem I had with her is that she would not look me in the eyes while we were having sex. Before and after - no problem! Now, how am I supposed to get excited from a girl acting like that? It may be because of her shyness, but anyway I hated it. Prefer it better when the girls seem to be honestly attracted by you - even if they might be lying! Total cost of session was 100 R$ including FS.

More reports to follow in the next days!

/goettel

Testure
06-18-05, 16:39
Continuing my tour of the massage places in São Paulo yesterday I went to two of them; Zen (www.clinicazen.com.br) and the also well-known Antares (www.clinicaantares.com.br). Zen has really small and basic facilities, but I like it as it is very close to the metro (Ana Rosa station). Also I have always been treated well by the manager when the girls haven't performed in some way and many times recieved sessions for free - just to keep me as a customer. Today however the selection of girls was very poor. I had watched the site's photos and wanted to have a session with Tháis or my backup-choice was Carol. When I walked in there was another customer there and he had just decided on going with Carol and Tháis had went to some kind class. So this left it to only three girls to choose from and neither one of them attracted me that much. Decided on leaving and go to another place.

Ended up at Antares (Metro Praça da Árvore), which is really close to Zen. There the selection was better and I went with Teka (yes, I have a preference for girls aged 18-20!), who is 19 with a nice, curved body, thick ass and just perfect sized breast for me. The session was very good although the massage itself lacked motivation from her side. She just wanted to get it done and make the time pass. When it was time for the front side of the body she lived up and showed herself not to be as innocent as one would expect by a 19-year old. She has some tattoos on her butt and legs, but nothing I got disturbed by. All in all a good performance and I really did appreciate that she was so straight to the point and didn't waste time on chit-chat. I mean, to be honest I really don't care much about her personal life and I don't want her to know much about mine either. The conversation just has to be relaxed and not awkward and shy as yesterday in Berrini. Total price for FS was 150 R$.

See ya all out there!

/goettel

Skyler
06-20-05, 16:53
I will be spending one day in Sao Paulo soon, my first trip there. I will be staying at the Renaissance Hotel, Alameda Santos, 2233. And, I have no Portuguese.

Any suggestions for an upscale clinica or other service near this hotel?

Pluto2
06-21-05, 21:38
If you are English only, cab to and from your destinations.

Clearly write the name, address and phone number of destinations on peices of paper and use the cabs from the hotel, and when you are done, have the restaurant or clinica call and cab for you and put you in it if need be. Obviously write the name and address of the hotel. For all locations, you should also write the name of the neighborhood on your directions.

Examples: Meome, Centro, Jardim etc..

Read Rovnaks report on clinicas. For comfort you might want to go to Francibel since they speak English at the front desk. For that matter you can call several ahead of time, reserve the girl and verify that they speak English.

Overall, the Brazilians are a great bunch and the businesses want to make sure that you are happy.

Happy hunting

Pluto2

PS "Falo solo Englise" should be your first words.

Torujapan
06-22-05, 20:43
Hi all,

Thanks a lot for many good reports.

If somebody is in SP today 22nd and tomorow 23rd, please PM me.

Lets explore this town together.

Thank you,

Rioplayboy

Meat Hog
06-25-05, 14:12
Good news if you have the misfortune of being stuck on an overnight in Guarulhos. Hotel Ibis Guarulhos has decent rooms for 69 Reais. As you enter, a neon light that says "Prive" beckons you from across the street / plaza.

Was there on a weekday night around 10 pm. R$5 cover charge buys one beer. Only 3 girls working. About 5s. There was one black woman who was more like a 7, had a very attractive face and a decent body. Too thick around the waist certainly. Push up bra made her tits very attractive which without the bra were firm but average sized.

She gave very good service. The cost is R$60 which includes 20 for the house. For half hour. She gave the full half hour in a very nice slow blow job, kept sucking and licking even after I came.

Nothing outstanding, but if you're stuck in Guarulhos this may be your best option.

Member #4643
06-25-05, 22:25
There are several boites in Guarulhos , and I have had the pleasure of going to two of them after checking in, rather than sitting in the business class lounge. My experiences have all been excellent.

The first time I did this, I checked in 4 hours ahead of time, and asked a cab to take me to a boite. The second time, I put my bags in the lockers on the lower floor and then picked them up immediately before checking in. Remember to tell the cab what time you need to be back at the airport. The cabs always do the choosing, and I cannot even remember the names of the boites. In general, the flights are so early at night that you will arrive at the boites around 7 pm. You will have a choice of 8 to 10 girls without any male competition whatsoever. This can be tricky, but its not the worst experience in the world. Give yourself an hour to clear immigration when you return and you will be treated to the warm sensation of an extremely tired prostate all the back to Newark, Houston or Miami.

Truant
06-27-05, 14:57
www.cafemillenium.com.br

Price creep happening here in the last 2-3 weeks. Entrada up to R$80 for consumtion. You could have 5 caipirinas for that, however. (R$15 each).
Rooms still R$70 for the hour. Rooms are very good here. A standard room has a large bathtub, shower, queen bed,--nice facilities. Girls asking for R$200 but will accept R$100-R$150 for the hour. The girls live at this establishment. True *****house. The night club is absolutely hot with women and good music. For what you are paying here it is hard to beat anywhere else in SAo PAulo, IMHO.

Prosal
06-28-05, 10:27
Guys

What's the best deal on a round-trip ticket SP-BA-SP ?

Thanks.

Pro

MoonDog
06-28-05, 18:49
This is a recap of events in Sao Paulo and Rio over a period of six days.

Monday

After getting some sleep after arrival, a call to my girl, J, had her coming over later that evening. With the afternoon free, I headed down Rua Augusta to Balnero to meet up with SF4DFish. We had a great time swapping stories and enjoying the women. One particular hard body, E, kept hanging around, so while talking to sf4dfish, I bought her a drink. That brought her closer. It’s amazing what money and alcohol will do with a woman. Fish had to leave, and shortly thereafter, I left with E to go back to the hotel. She was awesome in every way, and after we finished the first round, while walking toward the door, another round started. That round was finished, and walking towards the door again, round three started. This girl was an absolute machine, and was surprised when I had no more “milk” for her. All during this time, money was ever discussed, and when I gave her an amount over and above what she expected, she absolutely squealed with delight. I walked her out to the front, bid her goodbye, and went back to the room absolutely drained.

J called and said she was not going to be over until around 11, which was fine, as it gave me time to relax and recover. When she arrived, we both decided to stay in, as I had to get up early for travel over to Rio the next morning. While just relaxing with her, we were watching a Brazilian program called “Fidelity,” or something like that. This was a riot, as a guy wanted to catch his girl cheating in the act. So he hired another guy to secretly video tape her while she was in his apartment or office. Then on the program, she came out on stage to apologize, and it turned into a Jerry Springer type of show, with the jilted boyfriend throwing punches, and a body guard separating him and his girl. There was also a female version of the same theme, and another segment where a good looking transvestite comes on like the dating game and selects a guy for a date. These guys know perfectly well that she is a transvestite, and they are on the other side of the partition all trying to win a date with her
(him). I had had enough, turned it off, and we slept.

Tuesday Night/Wednesday

After a short flight over to Rio and taking care of some business, an old girlfriend joined me for lunch. She is a beautiful Brazilera, not professional, and for the two years that we dated, she stopped me dead in my tracks. I will not go into details, but suffice to say that she fulfilled me in every way. We stopped dating about for personal reasons, about eight years ago, but have remained very close. It was so good to see her again, but she could not stay long. After she left, I got about an hour nap, then headed to the airport to go back to Sao Paulo.

That evening, LAGuy, two other friends from Sao Paulo, and a co-worker joined J and I at Café Gauguin for some good times. One of the dancers was on stage, and J really took a liking to her. After she finished her routine, we called her over. After a few drinks, the three of us headed upstairs to a room. They were very hesitant about photos, so did not get any. It’s a unique experience being with two girls who are into each other, and it is fun if they treat you as good as they do each other. I was not impressed with the dancer, but let J have her fun. Later she shared the same opinion. Everybody in our group had left when we came downstairs, so we just had one more drink, then left. J and I did some shopping later in the afternoon, and then she had to leave.

A call to Karen set up a time to meet around 5:00, and again, this girl never ceases to amaze me. She is sweet, humble, and does not even think she is pretty. I gave her R$300, and she wanted to give me back R$100 as I was over at her place so the rate was lower. I could not do that, and made her keep it. If you do see her, treat her well and be nice to her. She is an absolute jewel.

Thursday

The day was spent taking care of business and personal matters.

Friday

I headed down Rua Augusta again to see the power house I had found before. She was there, but I was immediately turned off by her asking me for a drink. A massage was needed, and to me that was more satisfying than buying drinks for a cute voice. Even without a happy ending, it was good, as I wanted to save myself for later. J came over and we headed out to the Kilt. When we arrived, I was struck as to the quality and quantity of the girls for a Friday night. For Sao Paulo and many large Latin cities, Friday night is not the best for selection. Yet tonight it was quite good. J knew a lot of the waiters and had friends there as well. We stayed a short time, then left.

Saturday

I had to zip over to Rio again, and after taking care of business a call was placed to Sandman. I joined him, Don, Layne87, and a few other mongers for lunch along Atlantica. It was a good meeting and relaxed time. Afterwards, I just took a walk along the beach as the weather was perfect, and returned to the airport to go back to Sao Paulo. J was waiting for me, looking very sweet on the bed. After a quick shower, we went downstairs to wait for her friend to join us, and the three of us headed out to dinner and then to Cocktail. Cocktail was fun, and we had a great time dancing, and flirting with the girls. There was no one who appealed to either of us for some fun, so we left for the Kilt. It was hopping again, and we stayed for a few hours. One girl, D, was making eyes at me. I pointed her out to J, and J said to forget it, as she was not interested in her. But I was…..hehe. As we were leaving, J had to use the bathroom, and just then D walked by. I said that I could not see her tonight, but asked for her phone number and stuffed it in my pocket. J came back, and we left. One thing that really struck me was the amount of money I spend on three different clubs was less that one night in Café Gauguin. Granted the night in Café Gauguin was filled with room expense, and such, but still we had three times the fun for the same amount. Don’t get me wrong. I like the ambiance of Café Gauguin, but it is not for the faint of heart. It is a higher end establishment, and is a classy place to bring guests. Michael, one of the managers, is a great guy.

Sunday

J had to leave in the afternoon, so I was debating on whom to see, Karen, or another girl from Ellass, or D, that I had met the night before. I called Karen, but she had her phone turned off. I decided to call D, and if she did not answer, then to try the website. D was available, and came over shortly thereafter. The session was somewhat mechanical, and I probably would not repeat, but YMMV.

More Sao Paulo is coming, stay tuned.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Genghis Khan
06-28-05, 20:42
Moondog,

The TV show is called "Test de filidade". On my last trip - the day I stayed
in with Sol at my hotel - we watched the show too. Sol told me that several
of the girls hired in to test men are working or have worked at W or W.E.

GK

MoonDog
06-28-05, 20:43
GK,

Thanks for the info. It was a riot to watch.

Kingfish1
06-30-05, 08:51
Whatis the convertion in dollars for currency?



www.cafemillenium.com.br

Price creep happening here in the last 2-3 weeks. Entrada up to R$80 for consumtion. You could have 5 caipirinas for that, however. (R$15 each).
Rooms still R$70 for the hour. Rooms are very good here. A standard room has a large bathtub, shower, queen bed,--nice facilities. Girls asking for R$200 but will accept R$100-R$150 for the hour. The girls live at this establishment. True *****house. The night club is absolutely hot with women and good music. For what you are paying here it is hard to beat anywhere else in SAo PAulo, IMHO.

Starfe
06-30-05, 22:28
Need I say more!!!!!!!!!!

Stop the insanity please.

Big Bopperino
07-01-05, 22:08
Just in case you didn't already know why, the following excerpts from a Bloomberg article provide a nutshell explanation:

Brazil's Real Rises for 11th Month in 12 on Exports, Rates

June 30 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's currency rose for an 11th month in 12 as record exports and interest rates at a 20-month high increase demand for the real.

Export revenue coupled with an overnight rate of 19.75 percent, twice as high Mexico's, are driving the real's gains, said investors like Luiz Fernando Romano at Banco Brascan SA.

"Not only is the trade balance high, we have rates of almost 20 percent, it's hard to fight that, especially when rates abroad are so low and foreign investors are looking for returns,'' said Romano, head trader at the bank, in a telephone interview from Rio de Janeiro. "We are among the last of the Mohicans with high interest rates.''

The comparable rates in the U.S. and Europe are 3.25 percent and 2 percent respectively.

South America's largest economy recorded a record trade surplus in 2004 of $33.7 billion on increased demand for commodities such as sugar, iron ore and coffee from expanding economies such as China.

While slowing inflation has prompted investors to speculate that policy makers will begin lowering lending rates, few expect a cut before the bank's October meeting.

"There only thing that can stop real is the central bank,'' said Romano. "I don't see the real able to rise beyond 2.20 to the dollar, the central bank won't let it.''

RexG
07-02-05, 06:33
Here is a review of my first ever trip to SP.

As have many others, I stayed at the Mercure Jardins hotel located at the corner of Alameda ITU and Rua Augusta. I paid for a double room (two people). Perhaps I was lucky, but I was not charged extra for the female guests that I invited to my room. This hotel is fine; however, I’m sort of ambivalent in my feelings about the place. The staff absolutely did not hassle me for having a female guest; yet it was clear that this is not a hotel that wants to promote these types of activities. I would have felt uncomfortable having breakfast at this hotel with my overnight guest. Mongering just seems a little out of character for the place. The neighborhood around the hotel is a nice middle class area, and I was surprised by an apparent German influence. Just across the street (and to the left) from the front door of the hotel is a German restaurant offering basic German fare (sauerkraut, spaetzle, pork knuckle) which was quite good. Then if you go up the hill from the hotel on Augusta and turn left on Alameda Santos, walk a block past the Renaissance hotel, you’ll find Bar Munchen, a nice place for a beer and sandwich. It resembles a pub more than a Munich beer hall, but there still is a German flavor to the place.

From the hotel, you walk up the hill on Augusta to reach the Centro area and the boites/prives on Augusta. After you get to the top of the hill, you reach Avenue Paulista, a major artery where there are banks with ATMs. One is Banco Brasil that has several Cirrus-compatible ATMs. While I was there these machines were often down. I found a reliable ATM in the Renaissance Hotel on Alameda Santos, but it does charge a six Real “convenience fee”. As you continue toward Centro on Augusta, the neighborhood starts to get really seedy after you have crossed Avenue Paulista. I decided I didn’t like this area, so I never tried the houses on Augusta, nor did I ever make it as far as Love Story.

The Mercure Jardins hotel is somewhat centrally located within the far-flung array of sex establishments that have been reviewed in this thread. Unfortunately this does not mean that any are close to the hotel. A cab is pretty much required to get anywhere; although W.E. is not too far away. I had great luck with the cabs in SP. I always wrote down the destination, and never had a problem. Most of the drivers seemed to know where the popular establishments were located, and took me there without any hassle. A couple of times, when the driver did not know the location, he checked a thick book of maps and nailed the location exactly. All in all, I had a very good experience with cab drivers. I am convinced that the vast majority of them are totally honest. (Or maybe I was just lucky.)

I visited three clubs and two clinicas during my short stay in SP. I was most anxious to visit W.E., but my timing was bad. I think I arrived too late (9:30PM on a Wednesday). The place was crowded, and the prettiest girls were maybe already taken. My expectations were sky-high about this place, and I think I was a little let down when I discovered that there were some “less than 10” girls there. I decided to leave W.E. and visit Bamboa. When I asked the doorman for a taxi, he escorted me to a private car (clearly not a cab). I was pretty uneasy about this, but got into the car because W.E. has been reported here as having great integrity. When I showed the driver a card saying I wanted to go to Bamboa, the driver looked a little puzzled and asked the doorman about it. Apparently this was a driver in the employ of W.E. who was being asked to transport a customer to the competition. The doorman directed the driver to go ahead, and I was promptly driven over to Bamboa.

I liked Bamboa, although I did not hook up with a memorable garota there. I talked to one girl (Isabelle) who spoke some English. I asked her about the recent police raids. If she can be believed, the trouble was more of a zoning-type dispute having something to do with the location of the rooms or, more probably, the entrance to the rooms. Perhaps the entrance to the rooms was too exposed and upsetting the residents of the neighborhood? Anyhow, this girl told me that modifications had been made to the club, and the issue had been resolved. Indeed, there was no raid the night I was there. The club is a lot of fun. I enjoyed the flirtation game with several ladies. In one breach of etiquette, I agreed to take one lady to a room, but then realized that she was acting too cool/professional to be GFE, and so I told her I changed my mind (before she secured a room). She was reasonably OK about my change of heart, but she told her girl friends about it, and this would come back to haunt me later. Later on I hooked up with a nice looking morena. We proceeded to the counter to get a room. As luck would have it, a blonde (*****) loudly informed my new friend about my earlier faux pas. This was done in Portuguese in front of several other couples who were also waiting for rooms. I don’t know precisely what was said, but I could detect the disdain in her voice. Her treatment of me was much harsher than the treatment I received from the girl I had backed out on. Fortunately, my new friend let it pass, and we went to a room for a good (not great) session.

The third club I visited was Bahamas and it was clearly my favorite. Next time I visit SP, I will stay in a location closer to Bahamas (and Millennium). I met this wonderful, beautiful girl there. Her name is Renata (possibly Remata?). She is tall, dark haired, and beautiful. Flat stomach. Tight ass. She is a mom, but you would never guess by looking at her. She is a very assertive gal, but also very sweet and very friendly. Her sexual style is GFE with a little porn star thrown in for good measure. I managed to visit her three times, and it just got better each time.

I visited My Way and The Palms clinicas. The girls there are lovely indeed. My first choices were unavailable, but the ladies I visited were still quite lovely. At My Way I saw Bia, and at The Palms I saw Duna. In the flesh, both of these girls look as good as they look in their photos, although Duna has darker skin that her photos suggest. Their performance was quite good too. Kissing was included as was DATY. However, I found the clinicas to be somewhat, well, clinical. The overall experience was off the charts compared to anything available in my home country (USA), but somewhat less personal than other experiences I’ve had in Brazil. I think the problem for me is that I love the initial flirtation with a girl in the clubs (and the out & out foreplay that happens in the termas of Rio). When you visit a clinica, you pick a girl from the book and go to the room and shower. She then comes in and you pretty much get started right away. No flirtation, not much foreplay. At least that was my experience.

And finally there was Cinthia from the Ellass website. I had seen her photos on the web site and she looked adorable. Then her photos disappeared from the website a couple weeks before I visited SP. I had recorded her number, so I called her one night after having visited Renata at Bahamas. She agreed to come over to the hotel. In the lobby she acted shy and demure, and she turned out to be quite thin by Brazilian standards. In the elevator she stood close to me and gently clasped my hand. She was indeed adorable. In the room her shyness gave way to playfulness. She kissed me for a long time with wonderful little nibbling kisses. She told me that she had landed a job in her field and that she was disengaging from the escorting business. (That is why she’s no longer on the Ellass web site.) She’s also attending school. We made out for a long time before removing our clothes. When her clothes came off, I found that her thin body was perfect for me – small pert breasts, a very flat stomach, a beautiful firm little butt and gorgeous legs. Her lovemaking was just that – total GFE. That night she left after a couple of hours saying she had to attend class early in the morning. The next night she came back to the hotel and agreed to stay the night as long as I agreed to get up with her in time for a 7AM class. We agreed on an early wake up call. The call came, we had fairly quick farewell sex, and off she went. Of all the girls I met on this trip, this is the one that I greatly miss.

After my short stay in Sao Paulo, I went on to Rio where I stayed for a week. But that’s another story.

Starfe
07-02-05, 12:08
RexG,

Just when I think I can't learn from a new poster " BAM ". Wonderful report.

Picking the right hotel location I feel is critical for a good time in Sao Paulo. Thats my feeling after 7 trips. The traffic seems to be getting worse with the improving economy. You really have to time you're daily excursions around town according to the worst traffic hours. I normally stay at the Emilano because of its location to dining spots and that I feel safe wondering around at night. Bomboa is even within walking distance.

My last trip I tried the Hyatt: business section of town and not a friendly area to walk around but a fantastic spot for reaching Bahamas, My Way and The Palms. I would prefer the lousy location just to avoid the horrible traffic conditions. I am one lazy ass.

A point of interest: I love escorts but I had trouble getting them to come over to the Hyatt versus the Emiliano. Both are very girl friendly. I Have no idea why??? Maybe just to hard to get to and no one resides in the area. Would love some input on the subject. I called about 20 girls from Ellas and offered 100 U.S. + 50 real for the cab. I booked 1 in 4 days.

That's an insult to all escort lovers around the world.


Starfe

Genghis Khan
07-02-05, 15:15
RexG,

Great report.
You seem to have done your research well and visited some of the best spots.

I would just like to clarify some things about W.E. to you and to those who have read my reports, because it seems several have visted W.E. and been dissapointed because of too high expectations.

First of all everybody have got different tastes in women. What I like, may not be what you would prefer.

Secondly how we rate the women might be from a different perspective. For me attitude is the most important aspect. There has to be a great initial physical attraction of course, but having travelled through Europe I have had enough of fantastic looking women who have all kinds of rules of how to touch them, what clothing they will take off and general lack of enthusiasm. In my opiniion the girls from W.E. are special in this aspect - even compared to other clubs in Brazil. The looks of the girls at W.E. are very good - at a level with the best from other clubs in Sao Paulo or even a bit higher, but the place is not filled with just 10s in the looks departement. It is filled with 10s in the GFE department though.

GK

MoonDog
07-02-05, 16:45
Thanks for a good report. Ellass has been a favorite of mine. 2 out of 2 for me, great girls.

Moondog

Surferr3
07-03-05, 06:06
I laughed when you menitoned the taxis.

I have only been to Sao Paulo three times but have come to realize that taxis are a must. SP is a huge town and simply cant be covered by foot.

I visited bahamas my last trip and had the same result as youself. I LOVE that place. I havent visited any of the other "high end" places that I'm sure are top notch as seen in various posts. I can say that on my next visit I will most likely return to Bahamas simply because I know the lay of the land. The babes there are off the chart. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

Regarding Mercure Jardins. I've only stayed once and had very few stares, etc. I still think it is the best when price, location, and service are an issue. Is now my ground zero and I will simply take taxis from there in the future.

Member #4643
07-04-05, 05:19
I concur with Surferr3. In fact, the girls at the front desk know my habits very well (I have been there at least 6 times), and are very cool with the fact that I have a "regular girl" who spends the night with me almost every night there, and I also have one to two girls during the day.

I book a room for two, and never pay extra charges.

I agree that location could be a little better, as there are some very nice neighborhoods in Sao Paulo and I think I might prefer them to Alemeda Itu, but the internet connection is reliable, and this is important for me. As for the taxis- I have no desire to walk anywhere in Sao Paulo after dark. Its simply not wise.

Member #4643
07-04-05, 05:25
I also concur with Surferr3 about Bahamas. I was there with a female friend on my last visit. She picked out a girl and I picked out a girl and we did a foursome. These two girls were to die for- both were thin with great curves. One was tall and impressively built and the other was short with small but nicely shaped breasts. Both were 1000% GFE. Watching one girl eat out my girlfriend while the other worked on me, and then changing partners every 5-10 minutes for an hour was simply the most memorable hour of my life.

It was certainly not cheap (I think it was $500 US for the night), but I certainly will return.

JonRugby
07-04-05, 13:13
Gents.

I am in Sao Paulo on business for the next couple of days. I am hoping to go to a couple of locales in the evenings. Bahamas, Cafe Foto and possibly W.E. are quite high on my list.

Not sure whether I will partake, or whether it would just be for some eye candy and for the experience, but if anyone is headed there over the next couple of days - give me a shout.

Jon

Member #4643
07-04-05, 19:44
i purchased a phone card from speedypin, and the rates are great. however, the damn service is very difficult to use. i often have to re dial 5+ times to actually connect to brazil. sometimes i simply give up and call using mci (my service at home), even though it is far more expensive.

does anyone have any experience with a phone card company that provides excellent service? recommendations would be highly appreciated. thanks

MoonDog
07-04-05, 19:49
i purchased a phone card from speedypin, and the rates are great. however, the damn service is very difficult to use. i often have to re dial 5+ times to actually connect to brazil. sometimes i simply give up and call using mci (my service at home), even though it is far more expensive.

does anyone have any experience with a phone card company that provides excellent service? recommendations would be highly appreciated. thanks
try http://www.uniontelecard.com. get the purple card. good service.

moondog

Member #4643
07-05-05, 02:21
Thanks Moondog. Do you have any experience calling cell phones? The rates quoted are for landlines. More importantly, I am uncertain if the service will actually work. My current girl lives in a town without landlines in the Northwest. Thanks!

MoonDog
07-05-05, 02:32
Thanks Moondog. Do you have any experience calling cell phones? The rates quoted are for landlines. More importantly, I am uncertain if the service will actually work. My current girl lives in a town without landlines in the Northwest. Thanks!
Cell phones are not a problem, but the rates are quite a bit more expensive. That is true with all the calling cards, as it is about 10x more expensive to call a cell phone than a land line using a calling card. It will still carry you a long way, and it is reliable.

Moondog

JonRugby
07-05-05, 11:39
Gents,

I am facing a bit of a dilemna and would appreciate some input from guys who know the area. Basically I have the opportunity of being in Brazil until Sunday. When I have to be at my next meeting.

Now - my problem is I am not sure what to do for the free days. Should I stay in Sao Paulo? Go to Rio? Go into the country?

I am quite keen on doing something physical and cool, but also of course there is option of scoring a gaggleful of beautiful women. Bit of a no-brainer, but of course the problem arises in that there are these kind of women everywhere, so I am led to believe.

Many thanks for any pointers,

Jon.

Surferr3
07-06-05, 06:46
Greetings All,

Can anyone tell me if they've seen this girl?

hxxp://giaadore.com/public/ModelBio.aspx?MODELID=31

Her names Monica Mattos. She's featured on a variety of Brazil porn sites and many searches of google, gpguia, etc.. have come up fruitless. She's a looker I'm hoping to hook in late August.

As always, thanks in advance.

Obrigado.

Almotu
07-06-05, 07:37
Hey gang,

Has anyone ever booked any chicas from this site? Some look pretty hot but as usual many girls' photos are heavily retouched?

Any experiences, good and bad are welcome!

http://www.erosguide.com.br

Tchau,

Almotu

Starfe
07-06-05, 16:49
Difficult decision? I would stay with Sao Paulo and read the last few months worth of posts. You will find all the info you need.......

JonRugby
07-06-05, 21:16
Right then. Quid pro quo, clarice, quid pro quo. There won’t be anything new here for the regulars. But this is my newbie experience, and allayed quite a few of my fears. Perhaps it will help others.

I finally went out last night. After much deliberation I decided to head for Kilt. I am in the Renaissance so the walk to Kilt took me along the Augusta and allowed me the chance to check out the Boates enroute.

I followed the advice of the excellent, excellent detailled post much copied. I stopped in at night House (723), New Maison and Biblos. I couldn't find Boate Balneario and there didn't seem to be a house 300. Night House and New Maison were the best. In all cases on my first pass I approached the door, found someone who could speak English and just looked in. At the place. And at the girls. In all cases I left straight away and was not hassled or charged anything. At the Night House an attractive (v. lge breasted) black girl named Helen showed me around and at New Maison it was the doorman Carlos. The girls at both were 5 - 6 although Helen was probably a low seven. The size of the breasts put me off a little as I associate huge breasts with other curves I am not so keen on. She was a nice girl though and spoke English well, so if it floats your boat? At New Maison I did see one girl who attracted me. She was a good seven. Young looking (turned out to be 20) and very slim and tight. Nice. Her name was Amanda - and we will hear more of her in a little while.

I made my way to kilt, slightly worried I wouldn't find it. For those fellow newbies not in the know. Kilt is a full size scottish castle decked out with christmas tree lights. You can probably see if from planes passing overhead. Pricing was good. At the bar - $35 entry with one drink. At a table - $45 entry with one drink. I chose a table.

I soon had various types and sizes of girls coming up to me. All were friendly, and there were enough girls who spoke English to usually be able to get some kind of information swap. The girls there were okay. When I first arrived I would say mainly 7s with a couple of 8s, but by the time I left there were definitely a couple of 8.5 - 9s around. The show was awful. Half-hearted strip and live sex. Not my cup of tea.

There is a bar tender there called Adrian. South African. He was good. He took care of me, made sure I knew the score. Told me the gringo price is around $200-$300 but that the local price is more like $150. I guess this must be take out? But it seems pretty cheap to bang a 9 for the whole night. Anyway, I spoke to a couple of girls, one of whom I liked a lot. She seemed keen, but I wasn't able to take anything with me last night, and she huffed and puffed a lot when I said it would be another night, maybe. She has to earn money after all. But she was gorgeous!! Really. I left there after about 90 mins. I had two (slow) beers while I was there and bought one of the girls a red wine. Total bill was $100 and I tipped Adrian $20. Best to keep some friendly eyes around.

I decided to go back for Amanda. When I arrived she was speaking to another man, but soon made her excuses. I am 27, look okay and dress well. She seemed quite happy at my prospect. She was happy to chit chat and no pressure at all. Unfortunately I speak more sign language (which I don't at all) than portugese. We communicated badly - she asked if I want to Sit. I said how about sex. And suddenly we were communicating again! She quoted me $80 - but I suspect she would have gone for less. The room was $22 and actually quite okay. Upstairs. We got there, showered. She asked me if I wanted covered or uncovered blow job. (not much of a decision there really). And she gave good head. Then we moved into sex, she again asked me whether I wanted to cover up. I did, clearly, which she liked. I fucked her doggy for about 25 mins. Slipped my finger into her arse which she wasn't totally happy with, but let me do. When time was up I hadn't come yet, so she sucked me off some more. The bell went again - so I asked if I could do the honours. She then stroked my balls while I tossed off into her face. Lots. Every where. All in all a fucking excellent experience. I paid her $100 in the end, as the sex was top rate, and I did spaff over most of her upper body!! Highly recommended if you want some good GFE-do-what-you-want-sex. Amanda.

Something occurred to me last night. I hit it very lucky, but based on the general consensus it is best to establish rules and activities before hand. I am going to go to the phrases section and write the damn things down. Do you suck uncovered? Can I come in your mouth? Etc… Take cards with me, and next time show them to the girls and watch their eyes. Drastic solution. But better that than end up with a mechanical *****. I go soft in about two minutes with those kind of girls.

I chose Kilt mainly due to the route and the worry about finding quality in Cafe Photo and Bamboa on a Tuesday - possibly unfounded but better safe than sorry. I may go back to Kilt - but would certainly like to visit Cafe Photo. The main problem is language. I am youngish (27) and haven't been hit by too many ugly sticks, so I come across okay. I also have the gift of the gab in English, and use it well to charm girls. The language barrier is a bit of an issue there, and so if anyone is around - do let me know!!

Tonight Wednesday I think Café Photo just for drinks followed by Bamboa maybe - and then tomorrow night either Café Photo or Kilt for some take-out. (My clients will have left town by then).

Game on.

JonRugby
07-07-05, 04:21
Okay then.

I just got back from Bamboa and wanted to share my experience.

Again I was not looking to score anything high class - am still performing reconnaisance for tomorrow night. Before I start I should point out I arrived very tired and slightly flu-like. As a result my review may be a little tainted.

It is very different to Kilt. There were maybe as many girls .. perhaps a few more - definitely 100 plus, but there were also more guys than girls. This place was very much "Come get me if you can" as opposed to the overt selling of the girls last night. I was there for about 90 minutes and had any meaningful eye contact with about five girls. Max. Now, I was quite clearly one of the only Gringo's in the room - which may have had something to do with it. And I was still Billy-no-mates on my own - but it was strikingly different to Kilt - where the girls were shooting f*ck me looks from every direction.

I also felt the girls in Bamboa were not quite as hot as last night. Overall the general quality was better - I would say all of the girls were at least a 7 - but I didn't see a single girl for whom I would try and broach tiredness and language barriers. Last night at Kilt there were about 5 I would have crossed the room for. Tonight none.

Having said all that I think that if you are with a crowd, or at least a wingman Bamboa would be a lot of fun. There is a lot of eye-candy around and the drinks are cheap. R$22 for a beer. Prices seem to have gone up 10% since the directory. The entry cover is now $R132 - and this is indeed 6 beers (or cokes - watch that!!).

But for me it was too much like a club back home. You had the usual wankers who frequent clubs - hanging around in groups and leering at all and sundry. I had a number of barging past and forcing way through incidents - so it is much more of a night club pulling atmosphere - and for that effort, frankly, the girls aren't that special.

So not a fan. But if I was here with four or five mates and we wanted to go out for some drinks - and look at some chicks. This would be high on my list. But it is not a place I would go especially to score some top class women.

Tomorrow night - my last night - finally Cafe Photo. If I don't take out from there then it is back to Kilt for Ms Gorgeous.

Carpe.

Eberhard
07-07-05, 08:14
I'm a bit confused about the location of the different Mercure Hotels.

In the last years I always stayed at the Hilton. Since it is shut down I would like to book the Mercure around the corner but I don't know what's the right one.

Who can help me with the correct address? On the accor site I can't identify it.

Chrism1
07-07-05, 21:24
Most of the hot girls have left for Spain for 3 months where they can make two times the cash they will be back end of Aug.

I live in Sp and know most of them.

Really know big deal there all the same fucking hoes lol.

Davis150
07-08-05, 01:15
Does anyone know if you can exchange dollars for reals at Hotel Cadoro? I think the cash exchanges places are closed on a Sundays and that's when I arrive. The rate at the airport is unacceptable.

Thanks

Prosal
07-08-05, 13:23
Tomiz.

You will get poor rates in your hotel.

There's a money changer open on Sundays in the Ibirapuera Mall (third floor), as in all the others large Shopping Center like Morumbi or Iguatemi.

BTW I don't remember that the money changer in Guarulhos was that bad, but the one in Congonhas Airport, open on Sundays, has very acceptable rates. I use it quite frequently, as it's very close from Moema where I usually stay.

Pro

Marglo
07-08-05, 15:16
I love hotel Ca d Oro but don't exchange money at the hotel. They do it as a service for guests and the rate is horrible. I always exchange at the airport. I find the rate acceptable and it is easy, fast, and safe. The rate is no different than any money exchange owned by the banks.

Genghis Khan
07-08-05, 17:00
Does anyone know if you can exchange dollars for reals at Hotel Cadoro? I think the cash exchanges places are closed on a Sundays and that's when I arrive. The rate at the airport is unacceptable.

Thanks
Yes, they will be able to exchange your dollars.

GK

Pluto2
07-09-05, 05:10
Suggest that you carry as little cash as possible and hit the ATM at the bank every day for your cash needs.

Bank of Brazil on R Augusta and Paulista is excellent in the ATM department and has lots of security for about one block around the bank including lots of cops with guns. The hotel Ceasar on Paulista 50 meters from BoBr. also has an exchange window.

In fact, I used the Bank of Brazil in Rio and SP heavily at various locations with good results every time. Typically I would draw 300R at a time and return my ATM card to my hotel room safe.

Hope this helps

Starfe
07-10-05, 21:37
I would like to know if anyone has stayed at the Meliá Jardim Europa & what would be the review please? From beds to service and location. I am a hotel nut and want to try them all.

Thanks


I have asked Jackson on numerous occasions to hold a special thread for Pluto2 & Rovnak's posts & Mr Khan's of course. Pro should make that list.

We need an update thread that always stays fresh with new locations to visit, stay & eat.

RexG
07-11-05, 05:45
I checked www.maps2everywhere.com and does anyone have advice on what is the best map to get for Sao Paulo? I am looking for a map with all the barios and streets.The Sao Paulo tourist map that was available (no charge) in the lobby of the Mercure Jardins hotel was quite good in my opinion. It identifies all the barios and shows the streets in pretty good detail. For me, it was great in making some sense about all the places that have been discussed in this thread. This map is produced by "Discovery Mapas". You can see the details about this map at their website, but, unfortunately, everthing on the website is too small to be useful. The website is "http://www.discoverymapas.com.br/guia_sp.htm#". The map I am talking about is shown unfolded in the "Lado Mapa" image on that web page. The real paper version of that image is 20 inches by 29 inches, and I think it is quite good. I'm sure it can't identify all the streets in such a large city, but it does a good job of covering the important ones. The barios are clearly identified. If you can read Portuguese, maybe you can figure out how to obtain a copy of this map before you arrive in SP.

Athos
07-11-05, 07:39
I checked www.maps2everywhere.com and does anyone have advice on what is the best map to get for Sao Paulo? I am looking for a map with all the barios and streets.

Here is best street map for Brasil
http://turismo.terra.com.br/mapas/

another good one
http://maplink.uol.com.br/index.htm

inside hotel room, look at yellow pages, excellent sp street map at beginning.

Almotu
07-16-05, 17:28
I will get into Sao Paulo this Tuesday or Wednesday (July 19, 20th) for one week if anyone's around that would like to hang out please post contact info here or PM me. I have done Sampa a few trips but as always would like broaden my horizons. My normal routine has been Bomboa, Antares, Cafe Millenium and Nestor Pestana area bars like Kilt, Cocktail, etc.

Would like to share expenses with like minded wingman (guide) for explore the escort scene, higher end clubs, massage places and even prives.

Almotu

Starfe
07-19-05, 17:16
Its been very quiet around here....... to Quiet

Tommy America
07-20-05, 00:57
When I was last in Sao Paulo (May), Donna Caffe was closed for remodeling. Does anyone know if it has yet reopened? If yes, how is it?

MoonDog
07-20-05, 16:40
Almotu and I went to Cafe Gauguin last night, and there were some very beautiful girls in attendance, around 50 of them. Since Bomboa has been closed, this seems to be the place to go. It is big, very roomy, beautiful rooms upstairs, and good management. Ask for Michael.

For directions and other info, see www.gauguin.com.br.

RexG
07-21-05, 03:53
Almotu and I went to Cafe Gauguin last night, and there were some very beautiful girls in attendance, around 50 of them. Since Bomboa has been closed, this seems to be the place to go. It is big, very roomy, beautiful rooms upstairs, and good management. Ask for Michael.

For directions and other info, see www.gauguin.com.br.Bomboa has been closed?

Vatel69
07-21-05, 21:31
Donna Caffe won´t be open for a long time. The last owners closed shop without paying girls and suppliers.
Jd. America: they are trying to open again but it won´t be easy. Due to creditors and zoning problems.
The people that was operating Jd America is trying to revive the original W on Alvorada.
There is a low in the girls avaiable at the moment because it´s school holiday here and many girls went back home. There has been a growth in the movement of girls going to Mexico and Europe.
World Cup next year is predicted to be very bad for mongers in Brazil. A lot of girls will be trying to get to Germany to work there during its duration.

Almotu
07-21-05, 22:35
To anyone worried about the exchange rate, the websites x-rates.com and oanda.com had been reporting $R2.35 but I got $R2.45 in Rio, one night HELP was giving $R2.50 and I just got $R2.45 at Shopping Ibirapuera.

I always exchange $500USD or more, it can give you leverage to get the best available rate.

MoonDog
07-21-05, 22:36
Bomboa has been closed?
Yes, permanantely in it's present location. It may open in another location in time, but for now the girls are going elsewhere. Many were in Cafe Gaugin the other night.

Moondog

Almotu
07-21-05, 22:49
To all,

It is sad to report that BOMBOA has indeed been closed since last Friday. Not sure if this is going to be permanent. A girl that I know who worked there confirmed it and now she is trying to find new work. Going back to Cafe Photo and I am meeting her tonight at Bahamas.

I hung out with MoonDog the other night for my first time at Cafe Gauguin and had a great time. We were treated like most VIPs in Vegas and high end strip clubs in the States. Michael, our host spoke good English and comp'd us drinks and some munchies. The action got hopping about 11:00pm with very professional quality strip shows. Entry is $R80 and rooms are available on premises. I think if you want to take out a girl, you have to buy her two drinks (which are overpriced - $R30 for Coconut water!! ... agua de coco)
Then you negotiate with the girl.

Cafe Gauguin is located:

Rua Arizona, 1550
Brookilin, Sao Paulo
CEP 04567-003
011-55-11-5506-5000

Almotu
07-21-05, 23:05
For anyone interested,

I visited with JWadd last April when he stayed here which was part of the Accor Hotels chain. It was a super location, two blocks from Love Story and walking distance to Nestor Pestana clubs like Kilt and Cocktail.

I kept on trying to book a room there for this trip but never could on the accorhotels website. I decided to call them directly. Turns out they are now under Atlantica Hotels banner. Prices are about $R125 per night for a double. I am pretty sure that remain girl-friendly. You can earn points towards airline frequent flyer miles (Varig smiles) and hotel stays part of the Comfort Inn chain in Brazil and the US.

Since I am part of the Compliments frequent stay program with Accor I decided to book a room at a Parthenon in Moema. The Privilege Flat which is 5 block from Shopping Ibirapuera. The biggest problem staying here is there are hardly any late night conveniences like pharmacies, places to eat around every corner like in Jardins or Centro. A 24 hour Pao de Azucar is 6/7 blocks away.

Around the main drag - Av Ibirapuera there are a lot of affordable Brazilian chain hotels also Sonestra, The Bristol Ibirapuera, Blue Tree, Melia, etc.

I think during the day I can walk to some of the massage parlours nearby!

MoonDog
07-22-05, 15:14
My girl, J, was nowhere to be found on the few days before I got to SP, and I did not know where she was. After getting some sleep the first day in Sao Paulo, I was on my way out to the jewelry store when I ran into a couple of other co-workers. They wanted to see some of the daytime places, so they went to a cigar bar to have a beer and waited for me to return from the jewelry store. On the way, I stopped by Karen’s place, and wanted to see if she would come to the party on the 28th. She preferred not, and seems to be a very quiet girl. She prefers to just have the guys call her and tell her that she was recommended. She is very open to a quiet one on one with a guy rather than the club scene or party. After leaving the jewelry store, I picked up the other guys and we headed out to some of the places along Rua Augusta.

We got paired up with two of the girls, and had a session in the club. Then one of the guys thought it would be good to take them out to dinner, and have them stay with us, as we both had to get up early the next day. My girl was absolutely fun with dancing, and her sensuality was top notch, but was only 18. That sort of put a damper on things for me, but not before we had another session before dinner back at the hotel, after dinner at the hotel, and again at about 0300. I had to leave for Rio early the next morning, and by the time we got there, after taking care of some quick business, I was completely drained and just slept until it was time to return to Sao Paulo. It was raining anyway, but sunshine came to my eyes after seeing my old girl friend at the airport.

When I was not able to contact J, I called one of my former girl friends, T, to see if she was going to be at the club. She said yes, so we agreed to meet there. I was also to meet another guy from the boards, Almotu, and we hooked up at Gauguin, and had a good time. That place is a class act, and the manager, Michael speaks good English and is a great guy. Bomboa is now officially closed, and many of the girls are heading to Gauguin. There were plenty of babes there that night, and there will be a lot more next week. I was talking to one girl, but told her not to plan on hanging around too long as my former girlfriend was going to meet me there. She was ok with that, and T came right over as soon as she came in. She is a show stopper, and still amazes me with her energy. Both of us were separate for a while, but when it was time to go, as she was talking to another guy, I ran my finger down her back, and said, “Let’s go.” We left. It was like old home week with her, laughing, poking fun at each other, and just holding her naked next to me talking about old times. She was awesome in the sack as always, and will make a guy a great wife and mother for their kids. I’ve told her that many times, and still believe that.

I slept till about noon the next day, and then J called about 1230. She had been up to Bahia, and had left her phone at home by mistake. Bahia is a very small town, with very little communications, and she had no way to get in touch with me. We met for lunch around two, and then went to the jewelry store to pick up a gift. J’s birthday was coming up, and I was going to get something for her and surprise her next week. Since she was there, I let her pick it out, and we got her a nice set of earrings and a pendant. Then as we were walking out of the mall, she wanted to look into a small store for some sleepwear. I bought her three sleeping outfits, and she really looked cute in them. It was fun poking my head in the changing room and watching her perfect body change clothes and teasing her. Back to the hotel for a round, and after I just fell asleep on her tits while she put her arms around me and watched TV. Then it was time to go, all too soon.

Until next week, gentlemen, enjoy the life.

Moondog

Genghis Khan
07-22-05, 20:29
Donna Caffe won´t be open for a long time. The last owners closed shop without paying girls and suppliers.
Jd. America: they are trying to open again but it won´t be easy. Due to creditors and zoning problems.
The people that was operating Jd America is trying to revive the original W on Alvorada.
There is a low in the girls avaiable at the moment because it´s school holiday here and many girls went back home. There has been a growth in the movement of girls going to Mexico and Europe.
World Cup next year is predicted to be very bad for mongers in Brazil. A lot of girls will be trying to get to Germany to work there during its duration.

Hub666,
Do you know if Carlos is still around at JA or W? When I was visiting both of these clubs back in May they were almost deserted (5-6 girls in each club). I really hope they will make something out of both clubs.

BTW, you don't have to ask around for Lu anymore. She was not the redhead I was looking for. Do you by any chance know a natural, curly red haired girl with freckles. She used to work at Jd. America and was present at the opening of W.E. She is about 5'9 and 130 lbs. She always attracts a lot of attention. She is always accompanied by a tall black haired girlfriend.

BTW, I am going back to Sao Paulo first week October and last week November - I hope you are around.

GK

Almotu
07-23-05, 21:22
To all,

I have not been here in Sao Paulo for a couple of months now (last time - April). Since I arrived this past Tuesday after a week in Rio, I can clearly say that one has to work harder and spend more money for a good time than in Rio. I am lucky enough that the few phone numbers that I have still works and my former GFEs still are available to me.

With Bomboa closed, it has definitely left a void in my social calendar. I always had a good time there even when it was packed with guys on a Thursday night I can always find a garota willing to make-out and flirt with. Here's a very brief summary of my trip here so far.

Tuesday - Cafe Gauguin - hung out with MoonDog. I grabbed one of few cuties that I was interested in. Entry was $R80. Got comped a few beers. But still need to buy at least two drinks to take my girl out. 4 drinks (Red Bull & Agua de Coco = $R30 each) Bottle Bohemia Beer = $R20. Negotiate 2 hours back at the hotel with her = $R300! Taxis to and from the club = $R40 The complete evening = $R560! She ended up staying til next morning thank god. I went back to Gauguin Friday night after debating with her whether she should come directly to my hotel. We had a good 2-2.5 hour foreplay session in the club the first night so I did not want to take the chance that she would come to the hotel and wham bam for only the 2 hours and then split. I get to Gauguin on Friday around 10:15pm, there were maybe 20 girls there, maybe 3 that I was hot for. For safety sake, I took out my girl from Tuesday, Taty. I bought the bare minimum of drinks to take her out for 2 hours again - this time she couldn't even stay the night - my bill from Gauguin = $R203. Entire evening = $R540! She was nice enough not to hit me for taxi money leaving. I really like her even though she only gave a CBJ. But she is a work in progress, not quite fiery GFE yet.

Thursday - went to Bahamas - $R101 entry, bought 3 drinks (while chatting a few girls up) + 1 hour with a girl upstairs in a room. Garota was average. There were maybe 5 superhotties which were already taken. But otherwise, too many guys, too much silicone on the girls, mercenary style (. . . where are you from . . . let's go upstairs . . . can you buy me a drink?) I was not overly impressed. Kind of fun to which some girls work the webcams for the internet perverts who can tell them to strip, etc. (www.ow.com.br) I heard the average quote opening quote was $R400 for the hour session plus $R70 for the room. I got Isabelle for $R250. At the end of the night, my wallet was $R516 + $R8 (cab) lighter.

To contrast this, last week in Rio (granted I had a lot more GFE phone numbers) and most of the places (termas, HELP) were much closer . . . I spent from $R120 for an escort for two hours on the low end to $R335 for a 40min session plus a few beers at Centaurus on the high end. Average p*ssy was $R150.

I am going to Clinica Cherry and Kilt and some of the Augusta places before I leave next Wednesday. Hopefully I can find a few diamonds in the rough but it seems to me I have less and less reasons to come to Sao Paulo.

The hotel/flat accommodations are cheaper here in Sao Paulo. I stayed at the Princess Copacabana in Rio and paid $R246+tax per night and I am staying at the Parthenon The Privilege Flat in Moema for $R128 weekday and $R104 weekend. So that's the PLUS for visiting Sao Paulo. Food etc are more expensive than Rio!

Almotu

Member #4643
07-24-05, 15:30
1. Almotu: you need to empty your mailbox. My PMs to you are getting bounced.

2. Has anyone tried Eu & Elas in Liberdade? This place is said to be really cool. On top of having greqat looking girls, it is said to have a swingers room where you can get it on (in public) with several girls. I have never read anyone's account of this place, and would love to know if it is worthy.

I have copied the info from a previous posting:

http://www.sperotico.com.br/eu/1.htm
Rua Pires da Mota, 494 (esq. da Av. Aclimação)
Tel.: 11. 3209-2756

Almotu
07-24-05, 21:21
Decided to check out the cheap saunas on R. Augusta yesterday (Saturday) From Moema, I took a bus on Av Ipirapuera to the Metro station Vila Mariana and then took the subway to Jardins = $R4.10 total. Took a short taxi ride to check out Night House = $R6.00. It was around 7:30pm and apparently too early. Night House was the dive I expected (not in a bad way), there were 3 girls inside - 1 floosie with a big rack and 2 others in street clothes that were not in hooker mode yet. All were mulatas and only 1 of them looked good to me. The guy that let me in for the free look told me to come back around 9pm when things usually pick up.

I remember an old post about Casarao so I went there next. They would not let me in for a free look but entry was only $R10 and included 2 beers so I paid and went in. This place was similarly run down and there were 6 available girls. One decent looking blonde was in deep conversation with a man at the bar. The rest were forgettable except for a fresh faced cutie who was napping on one of the padded benches. She reminds me of the actress Ever Carradine. She had a denim skirt on which gave me a good look at her smooth thighs. Unfortunately, she was not very friendly (maybe, shy?) Around 8pm, she and other girls disappeared - I think she went to eat dinner but I never saw her again that evening.

The girls that were left had a lot mileage on them and an blonde old bag chatted with me a little before trying to get me to buy her a $R30 drinkie. I turned down her advance and she left me alone. A morena dressed in a slutty tearaway mini and looking stacked caught my eye. She had gotten to work while I was on my second beer. She was not gorgeous to say the least but had a open sluttiness that got me going on this particular night. KAREN, was 29y.o. looked a cross between Cher and the maid "Rosario' from "Will & Grace" when they were 20 years younger :-P! Her body was in decent shape, large C cups tits that she had no problem baring. She let me grope her and suck on her tits liberally right there at the bar. At one point she laid down on the bench we were sitting on lifted up her mini skirt and showed me her trimmed p*ssy and engorged clit! She was wet and definitely wild. By now, my tool was in full attention. Unfortunately, she was not a big fan of kissing on the lips. Her initial quote was $R100/60mins but gave me a deal $R80. The room cost $R22 per 30mins and they charged $R44 for 60mins. (55% of the cost of the p*ssy! outrageous) I had to pay the cashier $R124 first before getting a key to go upstairs to a room. There was a shower in the rundown room which had a queen sized platform of a bed in it. KAREN give a decent BBBJ but by now I had lost the hard-on that I got downstairs from the foreplay in the bar. From the start I think I got really excited by the seediness of the whole scene but the reality of the room was a turn off. Another problem was though KAREN was very sexual, when it was apparent that my hard-on was not holding on, she started masturbating herself furiously and gestured for me to do the same. I had to continually steer her attention back to my Mr. Happy. I was able to cum in the end which was OK but not ideal. Another huge minus was that they did not have any DRY clean towels. I had to wipe myself with a damp towel which made me feel un-clean even after showering.

After my session, I returned to the bar downstairs - KAREN went out to buy cigarettes and I hung around checking out what was around. I spotted the blonde from the bar earlier who was now free (damn!) and a cute morena in jeans sitting in a booth watching a porno film being shown on one of their TVs (shit! wish I waited). There was one client who sat with the blonde old bag who chatted with me earlier and a younger blonde - kinda plain. By now I was drained, a bit sleepy and was uneasy about the cleaniness from my shower so I left in another 10 minutes time. While saying goodbye to KAREN at the reception street side, more decent looking girls arrived! The time was 10:30pm.

My cab ride back to my flat in Moema was $R22! (Jumped into the shower right away once I got to my room 8-) I would definitely go back to Casarao (maybe I will bring my own towel next time) and might check out Night House again on another day. I was told both places would be closed on Sundays. The good thing about these Augusta places is that if there is nothing good, I can take a short hop to the Nestor Pestana clubs - KILT, Vagao, Cocktail and My Love. There about 6 other of these bar/sauna places which are aimed for the locals. I saw enough quality girls that I think it would be worth a look for monger. The girls was not dressed as nice as those at Gauguin or Bahamas but I think I can find a GDP to have as much FUN with there as in the higher end clubs. In the end, I spent less than 25% that I spent the night before at Bahamas! I never asked about take out from Casarao or Night House, though so hopefully someone can offer their insight on that topic.

CASARAO American Bar
Rua Augusta, 791
11-3256-6162

Credit cards accepted
$R10 entry (2 beers - beers are $R5, girl drinks $R15-$R30 each)
quotes for 30min, 40min & 60min sessions
$R17 room w/o shower for 30mins/40mins (?)
$R22 room w/ shower for 30mins/40mins (?)
Not sure if girls quotes differ, figure $R80-$R100 for 60mins and $R60 for 40mins

MoonDog
07-25-05, 15:58
Skanky places can be a lot of fun, and once in a while, you can pull a gem out of there.

Thanks for the report. :)

Moondog

Latina Addict
07-29-05, 22:03
Ok, this is for you overly fucking sensitive mongers,... if being called an ¨" overpaying, timid, missing out on great, hot pussy,... stupid little fuck" is going to inflame you, or be pissed off at the likes of an outspoken fuck like me, then keep your comments to yourself or read on.
VERY recently went at 4 PM in the afternoon to my favorite 8 flloors of *****s. Yes, there were the overly aggrressive, ugly, fat hungry ones that grab your dick... BUT, out of the 50+++ putas there on this afternoon I went, literally there were 3 absolute stunners! They were all 19 years old. Any of us, I mean ANY of us would double take passing these chicks on the street! I chose a smoking hot, 9.5, yes on any scale 9.5 for a quick 15min/15 real session and just wailed her! She wailed me back, CBJ, no mouth kissing, just, a hot, hey wanna fuck?.. session. Kind of like most of our dreams, huh? Dream of running across a smoking chick, going into a little, semi claen cabina, throwing on a rubber and just fuck, fuck, fuck! 15 minutes of slamming, getting a nut, and going for a beer. Ahhhh More time is 1 Real per minute if you choose.
Now, as you all know, I normally like the TLN GFE, but shit! This is every high school boys fantasy here!
Now, I spoke with all 3 stunners (no english) and all said they either do not work outside of the building, or live with boys. SHIT!. Oh well, I have taken princesses out of there before for 80R TLN, and will continue to try to sudceed again.
If most of you wanna continue to be, over paying, whining, spend too much timelooking for pussy, pussies, go right ahead. But for myself and a few of my buddies, we will continue to enjoy what every dude in Sao Paulo does, this building and its hidden treasures....
Latina Addict

Jasss
07-29-05, 22:14
Well that place sounds good to me.

Exactly where is this place? In sp.

Starfe
07-30-05, 04:17
I have never read of a complaint from posters on this thread about who pays what for sex. We all run in different circles but have the same goals in mind. Go easy on us old geezers that are set in our ways.

Regards
Starfe

Will be arriving in S.P. on Aug 2nd for 5 nights. I need to get out of the Texas heat worse then I need the pussy.

Pluto2
07-30-05, 05:43
WOW

You may want to follow Starfe's lead and get out of the heat too.

Luke Choi
07-30-05, 06:30
Guys,

I will go to Sao Paulo on Aug. 4th ~ 6th. This is first time in SP.

I would like to get together for fun.

Jaimito Cartero
07-30-05, 06:43
I have never read of a complaint from posters on this thread about who pays what for sex. We all run in different circles but have the same goals in mind. Go easy on us old geezers that are set in our ways.

Regards
Starfe

Will be arriving in S.P. on Aug 2nd for 5 nights. I need to get out of the Texas heat worse then I need the pussy.

It's not that hot in Texas. Although you may be delusional, because you're putting pussy in second place. Heatstroke, maybe? :)

Luke Choi
07-31-05, 06:22
Hey,

I am trying to get a girl from girls delivery.com.br.

The on this site is real then i will definately call them up.

How much it will be for 1 hour?

Anybody knows it?

Thanks in advance.

Tommy America
07-31-05, 22:12
Has anyone tried a club called "Pauliceia" in the Pinheiros area close to Bomboa, Donna Caffe, and Jardim America? I am hearing a lot about it from business friends living in Sao Paulo. I'd be interested in the comments of anyone who may have tried it: how does it compare to other clubs? etc. With all the other clubs in the that immediate area either closed or under reconstruction, it would be nice to find something new in the area.

www.pauliceia.net

Rua dos Pinheiros 473
Pinheiros, Sao Paulo, SP

Telephone: (11) 3064-8392

MoonDog
08-01-05, 08:42
This board and others have produced some great friendships, and this past gathering was a good example This trip to Sao Paulo was to be my last, as retirement from my present job will not allow regular trips to Brazil for business. The decision was made to have it on a Thursday night as that night is very good for club activities. The location of Café Gauguin, www.gauguin.com.br, was chosen as the management was honest, friendly, spoke great English, and the facilities were top notch. Soon, private messages and emails had Defconsul, along with TurfDoc and the Brotherhood coming from the U.S, Sandman, SweetMesquite, BluesTravleler, Gr8***, and a new guy, Chave, coming from Rio, some local gentlemen from Sao Paulo, and a few co-workers. Many more friends and posters were invited, not all could make it, but in the end, we had a great group of guys to hang out with.

Upon arrival on Wednesday morning and after getting some sleep, I called TurfDoc, and we agreed to meet that evening for a drink. My girl, J came over in the afternoon, and we went to a jewelry store to complete her gift from last week. Shortly after that, she left and was to come back later that evening. One of my co-workers wanted to get a good massage, so I took him down Rua Augusta to Balnero. It is a bit skanky in there, but he was quite satisfied with the massage. My cell phone did not get reception all the time inside, so by the time we got out, there was a message from Sandman. I tried to call back to his room, but the group had already left for dinner and he mentioned one of the clubs so that we could meet the group later. After cleaning up, TurfDoc and I met downstairs, along with his girl. My girl, J, was not coming over until later, so we decided to go to Ecco restaurant for dinner. It is a great place to take a girl, with a lot of scenery, especially the hostesses. After dinner, we headed back to the hotel, TurfDoc and company retired for the night, and I waited for J.

While waiting, a gorgeous girl, Michelle, came walking in. I looked at her, told her that she was a beautiful girl, and she immediately offered her phone number. That is where the beauty stopped though, as she was really a shark full of lies and deceit, and this will be evident later. While taking down her number, J walked in, and caught me in the act. I just played it down and said that I was going to give it to some of my co-workers, and that the girl was there to meet a client, which was all true. We all sat down for a drink, and then out of the blue, J invited her to the party. I told J later that I was uncomfortable with this, as I did not trust her, but the invitation had already gone out. Later that evening, J told me that Michelle had told her that I wanted to take her up to my room before J arrived. That was a total lie, and I pointed that fact out to J. Shortly thereafter, we dropped the entire conversation.

J had left one of her cell phones in a taxi and was on a mission to find it. Trying to find a lost cell phone in one of the many thousands of taxis in a city of 24,000,000 sounded nearly impossible, but she had a plan. She knew the taxi driver took many fares to the Kilt, so we went, hoping to find him. After staying at the Kilt for a while and buying a few drinks for good friends, we went outside to check on the taxis. J started talking to one of the drivers, and it turned out that he knew the address of the driver that J was looking for. So off we went at about midnight, along winding, bumpy roads, to a small group of apartments way out of town. The taxi was out in front, and we started to banging on the gate, and hollering, trying to wake him up. Finally a light turned on, and he came out and opened the car. J dove in looking all over the seats, and finally found the cell phone wedged in back of the rear seat. A big smile came over her face, and we departed for the hotel.

Early Thursday morning, I had to zip over to Rio, but before leaving, I was able to get in touch with Sandman and explain what happened. We agreed to meet at the club later that evening. I also had been trying to get in touch with Michael, the manager of Café Gauguin, but had no luck reaching him on his cell. Finally, my previous girlfriend, T, called me. She had been in contact with Michael all week, and had been setting up the party, as she really wanted to make it good. After a few phone calls back and forth between her and myself, Sandman, TurfDoc, and J, everybody agreed on a time and place to meet. All this was going on while conducting business in Rio and having lunch with a previous girlfriend, and it was with great anticipation that I stepped on the hotel property again to get ready for the party.

About a week before, a few phone calls were placed to Karen, http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=389, Paula, and Tati, http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=417, asking them if they would like to go to the party as well. This was somewhat of a mistake on my part, as I just thought they would like to meet a great group of guys, and have a good time as well. They were free to do as they pleased, to make a little money on the side if they wanted, and could leave with whoever they wanted. More on this later. Karen is more of a quiet person, so was not up for a party. Paula agreed to go, and I finally got in touch with Tati early Thursday evening. She agreed to come to hotel around 10:15 p.m. This was perfect as J was arriving around the same time, and 11:00 p.m. was a good time to get to the club. I had explained to J that I had met Tati through my co-worker, as he had been with her a few weeks ago. J was good with that, and the stage was set.

After getting cleaned up, I met TurfDoc and the Brotherhood in the hotel lobby. What a great group of guys. They each had a girl with them, and within 5 minutes, Michelle and her friend showed up. We all talked and hung around a bit while waiting for J and Tati. Well, 10:15 turned into 11:15, and it was always the standard answer when I would call to see where they were: “10 minutes more” was the reply. Then it was, “five minutes,” then, “two minutes,” Whatever time they told, I had to double it. They finally showed up and we left for the club. We also got in contact with the manager, Michael, to let him know what was going on.

Upon arrival, the place was packed. There was the normal Thursday night business, coupled with a Playboy bunny selection contest on stage. I was never sure if it was the real Playboy organization, but it was great eye candy anyway. The party was in full swing, and all the Rio guys were there, plus local friends from Sao Paulo, plus a few friends of friends. I introduced the girls to everyone, and it was great to meet some of the guys from the boards. I was not worried about Paula, along with Michelle and her friend, but more concerned about Tati, as I believe she was a bit new to the club scene. I introduced her to a lot of great guys, but she always seemed to be a bit reserved. Later she told me that she really did not come here to work, but to come with me and my girl and have fun. Ok, so no problem with that and J was ok with that as well. I kept her close, made sure she had what she needed, and was doing ok. She tends to dress down a bit, but her figure is absolutely top notch with her natural tits. She is a jewel in the sack with soft DFK as well.

The party was in full swing when all of a sudden J and T got up on a table in front of me and started dancing. Then the manager, Michael, came over and said, “Moondog, I think you are feeling a bit ill, these girls are too much for you. Come here, I have someone to help you.” Sure enough, a girl dressed up in a nurse’s outfit, complete with a “medical kit,” took me by the hand and led me on stage. The whole crowd started cheering and such, and she had me drop my pants and lay flat on the stage. She then did a strip and was all over me on the stage. It was all in fun, and when it was over, a cake with a sparkler was presented as a gift. It was a very nice gesture, and it was shared with everybody around.

Sandman and company left a bit early, as these guys had been partying all during the day as well, and Sandman was not feeling very well. Many of the guys in the club were pairing up with the girls, but Michelle and her friend went home alone. Seems they wanted large amounts of money for their company, to the tune of $1000 a day. I believe Paula wanted me to pay her for being there, but that was not the way it was going to work that night. Michael had brought along a girl to join J and I. That made a party of three, and there was Tati, all alone and smiling. I could not leave her alone, so now we had four beautiful girls in the group.

All of a sudden, T unhooked my belt, folded it in half, and started to whip my ass with it. “Bad doggie, bad doggie,” she said. “Move doggie, upstairs.” This continued until all four girls and I were up in a private lounge area waiting until the suite was cleaned. While recovering from my beating and relaxing with the girls, my cell phone rang. This was now 2:20 a.m. It was one of my co-workers, calling to tell me that he was sorry that he could not make it. Within a few seconds after hanging up, it rang again. When I looked on the caller ID, it was a girl that I had met in Balnero on Rua Augusta, so I ignored it, and shut off the ring. J did not ignore it though, and started asking questions. I said it was a wrong number, but she called it back and started in on her in rapid fire Portuguese to leave her man alone. My belt was laying beside me, and she picked it up and started whipping me saying, “Bad Doggie, Bad Doggie.” I pulled Bill Clinton out and said, “What’d I do?” Then they all got in the act and took turns. It was time to calm these stallions down, and so we headed for the room.

No details here, other that the fact that J was ticked later as I ate another girl first instead of her. I told her not to worry, that she was still number one. We had a tit feeling contest to see if I could determine whose tits I was feeling while blindfolded. We all won that one. Then there was the Dildo. These girls get into some kinky stuff, and J paid R$1000 for this huge battery powered dildo that gyrated in both directions with various adjustable levels of vibration and movement. Different parts of the dildo moved and gyrated at different times. Tati started in on DFK, one girl began a hand job, one a bbbj, and J stuck the dildo in my ass and turned in on. This was all going on at once, and there was no stopping these girls, nor did I want to. We had such a great time together, that J wants all four of us to go to the beach together for a weekend when it gets warmer. It is hard to argue with success. I was a bit bummed, as with four beautiful naked girls all around me, they would not allow photos. Maybe I can get them on a boat, as that might put them in a more relaxed environment.

When the session was over, we just relaxed a bit downstairs, talking with Michael and thanking him for everything. We then left and headed back to the hotel. J was a bit down, as I was not going to come back on a regular basis any more. I told her not to worry, that when I do come back, it will be for a longer time and we can go places that were not possible while working. We slept until early afternoon, then I called Sandman and TurfDoc to see what their plans were. They were going to Bahamas later in the afternoon, so J and I took care of some shopping, and then joined the others later for a short while. We just stopped in for a few drinks to say hi, and then had to leave as the traffic was heavy going back to the hotel. We had told the taxi driver to wait as he knew what he was doing, and took us back on the side streets in record time to the hotel. I had to leave 30 minutes later for the airport, so it worked out well.

Retirement just means changing jobs, as there is no way I am going to give up exploring new areas. Exploring SP has been a wild ride and I was glad to share the experience on these boards. I have met some great guys and have made life long friends. For this I am very grateful that I’ve had the opportunity to learn from others and to share my findings as well.

Take care gentlemen, and enjoy the life.

Moondog

Starfe
08-01-05, 13:23
Wishing you all the best in whatever venture ( or adventure ) you tackle.
You have made my life a whole lot easier.

Best wishes,

Starfe

Bandy
08-01-05, 16:57
Moondog,

Never met you in person, but you have enriched my trips with your wonderful reports. Thanks a lot! May be someday our path will cross. Good luck in your future endeavors!

Bandy

MoonDog
08-01-05, 17:19
Starfe and Bandy,

Thanks for the kind words. It as been a great ride, and I was happy to share.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Regulr Travlr
08-01-05, 23:01
I recently had my the ball and chain removed (along with a good portion of my wallet). However I have saved enough along with some FF miles and AMEX points to provide for a celebration trip. I am planning to burn some miles for my trip to South America. However, I am looking for advice on inter and intra country flights. I would like to take advantage of my time there and visit Sao Paolo, Rio and Buenos Aires.

Any thoughts on best city to use as an international arrival and departure point? What airlines are available for reasonable travel while in SA?

I have been an active lurker (oxymoron?) for the past few months and am trying to avoid stupid questions. The site has provided a lot of info and I soon hope to reciprocate with trip reports.

Thanks

Boozer
08-02-05, 00:21
I want to add my thanks to you Moondog, you've been a straight shooter, a big help, and all-around class act. I look forward to reading future ISG posts in whatever area your next career takes you!

MoonDog
08-02-05, 02:19
Thanks for the kind words. I will return to SP from time to time, just not as often. I really have enjoyed the comradeship among the members here, and the ones that I have met have been class individuals.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Boozer
08-02-05, 03:01
With Bomboa closed for good (or at least for now), is there another place that is open in the early afternoon for fun (aside from the massage places)? I guess Millenium opens for lunch, does anyone know if more than food is available? I will probably have an afternoon free before returning on a late flight from GRU in a few weeks, and would like to spend it with some willing Paulistas.

MoonDog
08-02-05, 07:10
With Bomboa closed for good (or at least for now), is there another place that is open in the early afternoon for fun (aside from the massage places)? I guess Millenium opens for lunch, does anyone know if more than food is available? I will probably have an afternoon free before returning on a late flight from GRU in a few weeks, and would like to spend it with some willing Paulistas.

Try Bahamas, near the domestic Airport.

Luke Choi
08-02-05, 19:35
Hi,

I am going to stay at Hyatt hotel in SP.

Would you recommend some near massage / club location from this hotel?

This is first time trip to SP so I am blind.

Your help would be highly appreciated.

Genghis Khan
08-02-05, 22:25
It seems Bomboa will reopen August 08.

GK

Boozer
08-03-05, 00:10
Ghengis, thanks for the news on Bomboa, I always wanted to have brunch and a hottie there!

MoonDog, I didn't know Bahamas opened that early, will keep that in mind if Bomboa doesn't open on time (I'll be passing through in about 3 weeks)

MoonDog
08-03-05, 03:10
Ghengis, thanks for the news on Bomboa, I always wanted to have brunch and a hottie there!

MoonDog, I didn't know Bahamas opened that early, will keep that in mind if Bomboa doesn't open on time (I'll be passing through in about 3 weeks)
Some of us were in there around 3:00 the other afternoon, and there were plenty of girls.

Rovnak
08-03-05, 06:21
GK,

Just curious, can you elaborate on Bomboa future and the cause of this latest shutdown. Is this latest incident another byproduct of the vendetta from the judge who resides in the area?

Are you back in Sampa or relating info from friends on the ground?

thanks

Genghis Khan
08-03-05, 07:49
GK,

Just curious, can you elaborate on Bomboa future and the cause of this latest shutdown. Is this latest incident another byproduct of the vendetta from the judge who resides in the area?

Are you back in Sampa or relating info from friends on the ground?

thanks

Rovnak,

I have this info from a friend - he got it from an employee at Bomboa.
That is all I know - I have not investigated this much as I am no frequent
visitor at Bomboa.

GK

Starfe
08-03-05, 22:07
http://www.thepalms.com.br/

As a first timer you can not go wrong here. Its about a 15 minute taxi ride. i find the quality here to be outstanding. Did 2 of the girls yesterday( Kiara & Lotus )

It get crowded at times so you should call first to book a time & room. R155 for 1 hour.

When all else fails France-Bel is a great standy. i had 2 gems today. its a bit cheaper.

Both places are 12 minutes from each other

Starfe

Luke Choi
08-03-05, 22:56
At Palms there are two menus such as seg a sex and Sabados? I don't know the meaning for this?

Could you please let me know the meanings?

Member 9578
08-04-05, 03:57
Starfe,

I assume the R$155 fee for the room only? If so what are the girls is asking?

On another note Connection night club isnt mentioned much here, has anyone tried it out?

Thanks,

Kos Hunter

Starfe
08-04-05, 16:36
Genghis i know you had a friend who lives here?

I need someone here in Sao Paulo to help me make appt for escorts. He or she must speak english and i will pay them $20 u.s. for any appt made. please pm me asap. Man can live by massages and Bahamas only.

Seems the Hilton which is great will not help me out with the calls.

Moondog,

i pulled a girl out of rue with the help or you're good friend. You bring smiles to the face of so many .............

Starfe

Bubba Boy
08-05-05, 01:39
Seg: is short for Monday
Sex: is short for Friday.
Sabado is Saturday.

Hence the place is open Mon thru Fri & Sat'day.

Luke Choi
08-05-05, 03:51
I don't speak Portuegse so I asked doorman in hotel to help me out.

I gave him escort girl telephone number and he made about 5 calls and finally agreed R200 + taxi fare. (I gave him R20 tip)

Now I am waiting this girl in my room.

I will post it later.

Vatel69
08-05-05, 23:26
Hub666,
Do you know if Carlos is still around at JA or W? When I was visiting both of these clubs back in May they were almost deserted (5-6 girls in each club). I really hope they will make something out of both clubs.

BTW, you don't have to ask around for Lu anymore. She was not the redhead I was looking for. Do you by any chance know a natural, curly red haired girl with freckles. She used to work at Jd. America and was present at the opening of W.E. She is about 5'9 and 130 lbs. She always attracts a lot of attention. She is always accompanied by a tall black haired girlfriend.

BTW, I am going back to Sao Paulo first week October and last week November - I hope you are around.

GK

GK,
Carlos should be at JA. He is one of the partners left there. They reopened last week.
I don´t know the redhead but I will ask around. I will be going there next week.
I plan to be in SP at that time.

Biggie Smalls
08-07-05, 15:39
After a few months of travel, Biggie Smalls will be home in Sao Paulo around the 10th. I got some catching up to do. If you're in town. PM me.

Cosmo69
08-08-05, 14:32
Gentlemen,

I will spend the 18th until 20th in Sampo and appreciate a wingmen for a few cold ones.

One question I have thought : As I arrive around 6 am at the international airport I am usually in my hotelroom (Hyatt or Sofitel) at around 8-9 am and would really love some early time stress-relieve but have not been successfull during this early time of day.

Any helpfull suggestions were to have fun in the morning ?? are highly appreciated.

Carpe diem

Kiko

Rovnak
08-09-05, 05:08
Looks like I will have to postpone my return to Sampa AGAIN!! Sigh.

I hope to make up for it by staying 3 to 4 weeks in either January or February or some combination of the two.

Is there anything I should take into consideration in scheduling? Obviously, the big thing is Carnival. I have never been, not sure if I want to, as I prefer the non tourist scene to the overly tourist scene. But then again its Carnival in Brasil, so maybe I'd be a dope not to try to include that. On the other hand that would mean waiting longer, as my current thinking is to head down right after Xmas.

Any opinions?

Elmo
08-09-05, 06:06
Carnival for 2006 will be the last weekend in Feb 2006 - basically Fri Feb 24, 2006 through Tues Feb 28, 2006. The scene in Sampa will be very dead during this time - most places will be closed during Carnival and in the days leading up to it, lots of Sampa garotas head to Rio about a week or so before Carnival begins for some fun and extra reais. Rio is just loaded with garotas - and tourists - during Carnaval. Sampa does have its own Carnival celebration, and it is a pretty big one, but it is a pale imitation of Rio's. As long as long as you head back home from Sampa by the middle of Feb - I don't think your mongering activites will be impacted at all.

Right after xmas is not recommended either - the period between xmas and new years is pretty dead. I would wait until after the new year to head down.

Khunjbl
08-09-05, 18:45
Elmo is dead on ... follow his instructions and you will have a way better time. SP between Christmas and New Years blows.. Carnival time .. Is also very bad for mongering in SP. Would like to also include weekends in SP .... way less selection then Mon- Thurs .
Good luck and enjoy the garotas.

Bandy
08-10-05, 17:42
Although, I had been in Brazil before, however, this is my maiden trip here. I profusely thank Pluto2 for creating the invaluable SP guide. A special thanks to RexG for providing information regarding hotels via PM. Thanks to all long time posters on this board for providing all the wonderful information in the past which made planning my trip ``a piece of cake´´.
I came to SP on Aug 6, however, I am having problem to access this site. Finally, today (Aug. 8), I could find one to report my two cents. I am not going to report about any new places. However, wherever possible, I would like to point out some new information, mostly the price structures. Personally, I don´t look for a waterhole for release. So every experience must have to be unique in its own way. So when I say that I didn´t like her, it only reflects my opinion. Others might find their services quite wonderful. Also, I don´t partake in cheap places, so those reports are out. This is a 18 day trip : 8 days between Sao Paulo and Rio and 10 days in Buenos Aires. I used my AA advantage miles for this trip, exclusively.

Day 1.

Reached SP at 9 AM from New York via connection at Dallas. My friend, joined me from States at 10 AM in GRU. I was wondering about the exchange rate. Inside the customs it was R 2.19 per dollar, outside 2.22. A airport worker approached us regarding taxi and also for money exchange. I never did it in my life, but R 2.22 was hard to swallow. This guy offered R 2.3, I bargained and finally got a rate of R 2.35. In Buenos Aires, we always worry about fake bills. I tried to check few of them and then finally gave up. He had an airport ID, looked genuine, and my friend and I exchanged a total of $USD 600. The taxi ride to Jardins took R75. It is a standard fare.
After a wonderful PM from RexG, we decided to stay in Mercure Jardins. Read RexG´s detailed report of 7/02/05. This is an excellent hotel for our purpose. Rooms, shower, bed (huge king), safe, everything I liked. Initially, the weekend price was R 134 and weekday price was R 180. From the very first moment, I had a wonderful exchange with the desk clerk. I told him that I am planning to bring 4 garotas per day, so he should not even think of charging me any extra for the girl. He laughed and said that each of us have a double room and therefore won´t be charged any extra for the girls. Things were going so good that I manged to bring the weekday price down to R 170 a night.
It has been posted many times, but I was really not ready for the walk up the hills. May be 20 years ago, it wouldn´t have been a problem. But now even the walk-up the hills needs careful planning. Even the young desk girls at the hotel were complaining about this four blocks up-hill walk to Av.Paulista.
We first enquired about the money changing places nearby. So far we found the best place to be MUNDY, at the corner of Alameda Franca and Rua Augusta, about four blocks downhill from our hotel. Today the bank exchange rate is R 2.29 and this place offered R 2.42.
Initally, our plan was 4 nights in SP and 3 nights in Rio, since we liked Rio so much in the past. So I already bought round trip tickets in GOL for GRU-GIG. Since the days are numbered, we wanted to make the best of the situations and tried to cover at least two most dicusssed places in SP each day. We started for Clinica Anteras around 4 PM using metro. It is Saturday, so Anteras will be closed by 8 PM. During the first exchange from green line to blue line inside the Metro, we were lost. We were rescued by a 20 year old stunningly beautiful Brazilian medical student from Racife. She spent half a year in Toronto and hence her english was much better than my Portugese. She was continuosly asking us why we want to go to the Praça de Abore metro station. She knew there was nothing exciting to see. I offered her to come with us as our guide. Finally I had to tell her that we are meeting some friends for dinner (it was not a total lie since I had every intention of dinning at the Y).
We reached Antares around 5 :30 PM. A total of 11 girls were working, however, only 4 were available for us. I was looking at the books and thinking of Paula, when a call came for her. So it was reduced to 3 girls. We both liked Taty, but she was available only for massage, not for the full program. I already made up my mind that I will not take part in the activities. My friend was interested in Kelli, who would be released in another 10 minutes. While waiting, a delivery boy showed up with some food. Two girls from inside came up and received the food. One of the girls immediately got my attention. Absolute gorgous figure and very attractive face. I asked the front desk girl, what was her name. She was Livia. I booked her immediately and waited for her her in the room. See what a live unintentioal line up can do! The pictures in the book sometimes don´t do them justice.
What can I say about my first experience in SP! She was 22, never married, no children. What a body and what a tight box! It started with DFK and ended up with multiple orgasms for both of us in various positions, including lots of DATY. A total GFE. I was more than satisfied. Only drawback was CBJ. But the whole experience was so good that I didn´t force the issue. R150 per hour (price change?)
By now we were a veteran of SP Metro system. It was around 8 PM. Our return journey was a piece of cake with three exchanges. There are lots of people in the subway at this time. Although, at one of the exchanges (Paraiso), there were running around, police activity and arrests, it never bothered me a bit. I see that in New York subway everyday. For me this subway was very cool when lots of people are around. May be I won´t take it at 11 PM.
We had a nice dinner at Viena, on Rua Augusta, about three blocks from the hotel. I told my friend that I will rest for couple of hours and then hit for a club around midnight. I never could get an ounce of sleep during my 10+hours of flight from Dallas. After two rounds in Anteras, I was feeling very tired. I hit the sack and woke -up at 4:30 in the morning. What the hell! I turned over and went back to sleep.

Bandy

Bandy
08-10-05, 18:46
As you can see, I wrote this report a few days ago. This site is down all the time. I lost all mental notes to write detail reports. I will try my best to collect my thoughts.

Day 2.

It is a Sunday. Our first objective was to attend the Sunday antique flea market near the Art Museum as well as a visit to the Museum. Entry to the Museum was R10. It was a lovely day and people were enjoyng time with their family. Across the street from the museum along Ave. Paulista there are many arts and crafts vendors.
My friend bought two contemporary paintings to bring back home. It was a steal at R350.

Since Bahama´s was open Sunday (5 PM to 2:30 AM), it was our first target of the night. We took a taxi in front of the hotel. The driver confirmed he knows where Bahama is. It turns out he only knew the general Moema area. It was a classic adventure. He stopped at nearly every corner and asked for directions. At a certain point, he felt embarrased and stopped the meter at R 26. Another 10 min. later we reached Bahamas around 10:00 PM. I gave him R 30 anyway.

Entrance was R 101. They give you a key and you pay everything during exit. It has been said before that although, being a Sunday the chica count is limited, but so does the number of men. I counted about 40 girls and a total of 5 men including us. Most of the girls are gorgeous. However, the girl I most wanted to meet never made a move from her spot and just stood there. By now we were getting hit by several beauties. Basically, the girls won`t approach you unless you motion to have them come over, and, although a few will come over and introduce themselves to you and try to start a conversation, they are not aggressive and you can easily shoo them away at this point. One of them was Isabella. a Brazilian of Spanish decent. For me there never was a language barrier, so we hit it off well. I bought her a drink (R 20 for a small glass of champagne). But soon things started deteriorating. She talks too much (big problem for me). She has a car and lots of high expectations which I was not willing to meet. I am an experienced monger, know very well the price structure. So I ditched her when she kind of suggested that because she likes me so much she is willing to take R 400 for an hour in upstairs room. By now I already spotted a beauty. She is Juliana from Curitiba. Absolute gorgeous face which melted me in an instant. We had a great chat. She asked for R 300. We settled for R 200 for an hour. Meanwhile my friend got an ex-model and went up stairs.

In the room,things started un-raveling very soon for the worst. Nothing gets me going unless there is DFK. She opted for very light kissing and I knew I am in for a bad time. Out comes the clothes. She had a vertical eight inch scar straight down the thorax, a proof of a serious auto accident which resulted in a perforated intestine. This girl is simply lucky to be alive. BBBJ was passable. The face is still beautiful. I tried to concentrate on that and somehow was able to finish in doggy position. Among all the beautiful girls, I had the luck to draw the short end of the stick.

My friend and I came down to the main area almost at the same time. Isabella did some last minute effort to entice me again. Soon we left for KILT around 1:30 in the morning. The cab driver knew what he was doing. Before starting, he said the fare will be R 33; After we reached KILT, the meter showed R 32. He sure knows his way!

Entry fee is R 30. You pay at the end. Girl´s drink R35. KILT is good on Sunday because many of the other clubs are closed. While, that being the case, there was not a large number of quality of girls to chose from, I met three girls from Cafe Photo. Because Bomboa is out of commission, severel girls from Bomboa were there: as were the usual KILT girls.

At this point, my game plan is very defined. I will only take a girl for TLN. The Cafe Photo girl was very interesting. But she had a 5 Yr. old at home and only could stay for 3 hours. So no deal was consummated. Meanwhile, there was a totally awesome very freaky lesbian show going on stage. The main girl had an outstanding body and I was interested to see her in close range. This time I drew the right stick; at the end of the show, this pair was going around among the patrons to show off their craft. The girl sat next to my stool, spread open her legs and the other girl started eating her out...a sight to behold! Worth the entrance fee alone !

By now I have concentrate my entire energy on one particular beauty, who at that point was quite busy with two guys. I knew either I would have her or say good night. Well, my luck was changing for sure. To make a long story short, she was in my arms in 10 minutes. I could not keep my eyes off her. She is 19, has a perfect body and an abundance of energy. R 200 for TLN. My friend took the Cafe Photo Girl who had her own car. The exit price for each of us was R71 ( they charge some tax). All four of us soon arrived at our hotel around 3 AM.

What can I say, Selma was truly beautiful and we really enjoyed each other. The blow job started in the shower. She was extremely energetic and wet during sex. Had a very satisfactory orgasm. All positions (never asked for anal) tried and finished all over her body at the end of mish. She held me tight and fell asleep soon. Wish I were 19 again!

Bandy

Bandy
08-10-05, 20:14
Day 3

Woke up around 10 and we all went to breakfast in the hotel. Selma received a call from her friend who is recovering from a surgery in a local hospital. It is in Japan town and Selma enquired whether we would like to go to see her. At this point it was quite obvious to me that she wants to hang around with me as much as possible. Being in the medical field myself, I thought of visiting the hospital as well as the neighborhood is a wonderful opportunity to experience some other aspect of this great city.

Taxi ride cost R 12 and 20 min. You can really see a different neighborhood (mostly oriental). The hospital was small but clean. The room had all the necessary accessories for emergency medical attention. The nurse came twice while we were there and had a great attitude. Looked like attending staffs were quite friendly. I had a generally good first impression about this hospital.

This neighborhood was near the Libertade Metro stop. We had a great lunch in one of the asian buffet restaurants (across the entrance of the metro stop)which sells food by the weight. The food was excellent and reasonable.

It was about 3 PM by now. Selma still wanted to hang around with us. But I had to say good-bye to her at this point. I gave her a kiss and reluctantly promised to see her again.

During our trip back to the hotel, we started thinking back seriously about our RIO trip. See, by this time, we basically started liking SAMPA too much. And soon it became a reality that we need to spend more time to visit all the boliches and clinicas. At this point, we were willing to take the loss on the plane ticket. I e-mailed the hotel in RIO and cancelled the reservation. Then I called GOL and cancelled the flight. The good news is I will get back 80 percent of the total value of the ticket. A loss of a little over R 100.

Tonight is slated for Millenium. We picked the taxi in front of the hotel and we struck gold. The driver´s name is Newton. He knows all the boliches. He is married and has five girlfriends on the side. In fact, he received a call from one of them on our way to Millenium. I started addressing him ``Sir Issac`` and asked him to come back the next night around 9:30 PM for another boliche hunting.

The entry fee is R 80. Needs ID. We entered the main area and found there were many pretty girls hanging around and only a few men were the target. I was immediately taken by the girl who was dancing on the stage. An absolute stunner. However, she had to come to me. Lots of girls were started hitting on us. I was just waiting for that special one to come to me. And in a few minutes she and her friend were passing by me. She directly smiled at me and I just grabbed her hand and made her sit on my lap. My friend was also interested in her friend and soon the four of us retired in a cozy corner in a booth.

Things were great. She is Rafaela; 20 year old tall morena with a stunning figure. She ordered a beer and we were chatting away. Now I was under the impression from previous reports that the price in this place is fixed at R150 an hour. So I was totally shocked when she asked for R 250. I got immediately angry. I thought she was trying to take advantage of my apparent vulnerability. I never lose my head in this situation. If I pay somebody more its because I wanted to, but not due to my stupidity. That will bother me for the entire trip. I stuck to my price of R 150. She got up and left. I knew I lost the best girl and was ready to say good-bye to Millenium. Meanwhile, my friend already made a deal with the other girl and was ready to go up.

I was wondering around the floor and was met by an attendent. He introduced me as ``Shrek``. I was still fuming and asked him `whether he was ``Shrek 1 or 2``. I am sure the humor flew right over his head but he answered ``Shrek 2``. I broke into laugh and decided to unload my frustration on him. My portugese is reasonably well and when I finished he apolozised for the confusion. He said that although it is true that most of the girls will charge R150 there are a handful of special girls who commands premium of up to R300. Rafaela is the best here and he was surprised that she even offered R 250. Normally she charges R 300 and because she liked me she already gave a discount. Discount my foot! I told to myself. Anyway, he escorted me through the floor and asked me which girl I want. Well, I knew I only liked Rafaela. Just to please him I went along with the charade. At the end of the boliche, I saw Rafaela, sitting alone, with her back behind us. I just went to her and messed up her hair with my fingers. I asked her what was her problem. I liked her a lot and offered her R 160. She came back with R 200. I encounterd with R 180. She screamed and said what´s an additional R 20 to me. I said that I know it is nothing but it is my pride. I will give you R 180. If I like her service, she will get some tips.

Soon we retired upstairs. A quick note, if you want to pay the garota price by credit card, there is a 20 percent surcharge. I don´t want to say too much about Rafaela. The best experience so far. When she disrobed, I was at a loss for words. The body is simply fantastic; the BBBJ is fantastic; everything she did is superb. We connected immensely in personal level. She reminded me of a girl (who I still miss) that I knew from Rio. I am glad that it all worked out at the end. I would have missed a great experience had I not gone back to her.
We each paid R 150 (R 80 entrance and R 70 room) during exit. They totally forgot to add all the drinks. At least we saved R 60.
We came back to My love in Centro. We waited for a sex show, which did not really happen. There were a few doable girls. I really was not in a mood to do another. I had a mind boggling experience with Rafaela not too long ago. Anyway, I offered one girl for TLN, she refused. Came back to hotel around 4 AM. Glad to have a much needed sleep.

Bandy

Kinesics
08-10-05, 22:42
Moondog,

I am sorry that I could not make to SP for your retirement party as I have been covered with boatload of work which delayed my trip. I will be SP next week.

I am sure we will cross each other's path one way or the other in future.

Until then, good luck and enjoy your life! O2G

Surferr3
08-11-05, 06:02
Fricking awesome update dude.

Clear, concise, and to the point. Great to see a fresh perspective of SP. Looking forward to your coming days. Have fun and thanks again.

Genghis Khan
08-11-05, 09:33
To all Bomboa fans - its open again.

GK

Bandy
08-11-05, 16:54
Went to Cafe Photo last night. Entrance is now R 190 including 4 drinks. The house was packed with beautiful girls. More later.

Bandy

Vatel69
08-11-05, 18:01
Greetings All,

Can anyone tell me if they've seen this girl?

hxxp://giaadore.com/public/ModelBio.aspx?MODELID=31

Her names Monica Mattos. She's featured on a variety of Brazil porn sites and many searches of google, gpguia, etc.. have come up fruitless. She's a looker I'm hoping to hook in late August.

As always, thanks in advance.

Obrigado.

Here is her contact in Sao Paulo.
http://www.adesso.com.br/modelos/monicamattos
Phone#: 9813-4905

Bandy
08-11-05, 18:06
Day 4

Since I saw their pictures in the Sex Dream web site, in this trip, I was only interested to meet only two internet girls. One of them was Luana Ferraz and the other one was Karen Roche. Since Luana had an unlisted number, I e-mailed her before coming. She promptly answered back and informed me that she is in Curitiba now but if things change she will contact me again. So now, only one I want to see is Karen. Then I read Moondog´s wonderful report about her (Karen appears in Ellas website also) and my interest intensified. This day, around 5 PM, I called her. We hit it off great over the phone. Her rate was R 250 in my hotel or R 200 in her place for an hour. Once I find out her place, we both started laughing. She was around the corner from my hotel. So going to her place was a no brainer. We made an appointment for 7 PM.

I took a leiserly walk and reached to her place in two minutes. She opened the door, hugged me and took me out to the balcony and pointed to my hotel. We were so close!
Karen Roche....what can I say! Her pictures don´t do her justice. She is more beautiful in person. Her body is picture perfect. And those breasts! She is 21 and studying to be a lawyer. The time just flew by. She provided more than GFE. She allowed lots of naked pictures, although she reminded me that these are exclusively for my own viewing pleasure. At the end we got involved in more philosophical discussions about life in general. She didn´t want me to leave. By now one and half hour already passed and I had a dinner reservation. I reluctantly said good-bye and tried to give her a R 20 tip on top of the R 200. She refused to take it, but I pushed it to her anyway. If you are into internet girls, don´t let this one get away. She truly is a gem! Thank you Moondog for reviewing her before.

We had our dinner and waited for our Taxi driver, Newton. He was fashionably late for 30 min. Tonight´s target was Café Gauguin. We reached there around 11 PM. May be it was a tuesday or whatever, I was totally disappointed with the collection. Nothing extra-ordinary considering it is a high end club. Anyway, I got involved with talking with a nice girl, although she knew I am not interested to take her. She gave me a lot of information about the club and pointed to a group of six girls who were from Bomboa. These Bomboa girls are now behaving like refugees, going from club to club. On our way, Newton already informed us that he saw lot of police activities around Bomboa and he will let us know when Bomboa is open. We earlier called Bomboa and the manager said it will open on Thursday. Let´s see.
Anyway, the shows in Café Gauguin were nice and I was killing time watching those. My friend already found sombody and went up staires. All of a sudden, a very pretty girl (I never spotted her before) approched me from behind and pulled me on the dance floor. Now, I rarely dance, especially in these kind of places. However, this girl was something! She was an excellent dancer and we were on the floor for almost 20 min. At one point we became the only couple on the floor and we finally took a seat. At these point she totally won me over. She was simply beautiful. Her name is Karen and she is 22 yr. old. I ordered a drink for her and we started talking. However, I was only interested in TLN and being alone looked like she was also available. I offered her R 200, but she wanted on-site only. I upped the offer to R 250 at my hotel and issued her an ultimatum that this offer is valid for only next 30 sec. She was totally confused. I felt a major part of her wanted to come with me but her pride was not allowing her to give in. I pointed at my watch and said 30 sec has passed. I kissed her and paid my bills and hit the exit. I will never forget the confusing look on Karen´s face. She kept on staring at me as long as possible.

We came back to Cocktail at Centro. Two welcome girls immediately got my attention. I did not know that they were in the program. My friend did one of them on-site. I took the tall, most beautiful girl in this place for TLN; Some body! Her name is Jackeline and 24 years old. We came to hotel around 4 AM. Both of us were very sleepy. I told her to sleep. Sex can wait for a while. It felt so good when she wrapped her arms around me and fell asleep. Life is truly good.

Bandy

Surferr3
08-12-05, 05:51
Thanks for responding HUB!!

She was just listed on Chantily a week ago and I'm planning a TD with her in a few short weeks. I have a buddy who will be seeing her in the next week or so to let me know if she is the real deal.

Way cool to help out with the link. I'll let you know if I give it a run.

Regards,

surferr3

Cosmo69
08-12-05, 14:16
Gentlemen,

From reading the forum it seems that Friday is a rather slow day for action.

I appreciate any good advice and if someone is arround , also a wingman for some fun. Will be in Sao Thursday/Friday 18/19.

Saludos,

Kiko

Bandy
08-12-05, 19:52
Day 5

Had a wonderful session with Jackeline around 9 AM. Then both of us went back to sleep. Around 1 PM Jackeline left with the hope that I see her again. I rarely repeat, however, showed enough interest and kept the number.

At 7:30 we had a dinner reservation in Baby Beef Rubaiyat. We opted for the buffet, and a bottle of Argentine wine. Total damage R 250 for both of us.

Newton showed up on time and we headed for Cafe Photo. We reached there around 10:30 AM and faced the sticker shock. Entrance is R 190. The lady told me that the price increase took effect a month ago. You still can have four drinks (two whiskeys) with the admission.

My first impression was that the club is too small for so many women. There were wall to wall garotas. Although average is very high, there were some dogs also in that bunch. No doubt, there were some truly beautiful women. By the way, both my friend I agreed, that the band was the shittest we ever heard. Within half an hour, the place was jam packed . Thank god, they opened the upstairs around 11:30 PM and I could breath in properly. Upstaires setting is really great and you can have opportunity to talk to the women without feeling closed in. I had nice conversations with lots of beautiful garotas. However, except one, I was not interested with any one of them. She is Gaby and I was so turned on by her that I could have done her right then and there. She also knew that. But I always have a problem with short session. She could only come to my hotel for one hour. I never negotiated the price after that.

It is about 2 AM and I was willing to go home alone, since so far I was not interested in anybody, except Gaby. I flirted with lots of them and got a drink for Gaby and her friend (using my coupons). Now this happens to me all the time. Whenever I try to leave the boite, somehow I discover a gem who I never spotted before. Tonight was no exception. I met Claudia, a 20 yr old, totally model quality beauty. Thin, spectacular figure , blonde etc. etc. I didn´t waste too much time. A deal was struck. R 400 for 3 hours at my hotel.
By this time, my friend also picked somebody. I congratulated him for having the forsight of picking women who have their own car. In 10 min four of us were in her car. Before leaving Photo, Gaby came to me and gave her phone number and asked me to call next afternoon.

Claudia is truly a beautiful girl with a spectacular figure. We had a shower together for half an hour. Only regret that she did not allow any picture. It was a CBJ, which I did not mind. And the sex was..............? To others, it might be mind boggling, but I started discovering a 10 year old girl in a 20 yr. old body. She was a girl not a women. She is her father´s daughter. She only goes to Photo three or four times a month, when she needs money for cell phone and some personal staffs. Like any parents, they pay for everything. In the morning, she is going to the dentist for braces. All these talks made me loose all interest in her. I really felt I am talking to a school girl and felt that she had no business in being here in my room. She was laying next to me and carressing me. I looked at her naked body one last time and told her to go home. Her face lit-up and thanked me profusely for letting her leave early. I wished, I were with Gaby!

Bandy

Bandy
08-12-05, 21:04
Day 6

My friend and I went to Paulista Shopping mall around 11 AM using Metro and had a quick breakfast there. This mall is nothing compared to US malls. I don´t know why it is a tourist attraction.

We already scheduled a private 3 hour city tour in the afternoon. A 73 yr old guy, Zaire, showed up. Mostly driving through city, a pit stop in the university, snake institute, and a gem store in Jardins. We were not very impressed. There was almost no narration, unless prompted by one of us. Total damage was R 189 for both of us. This tour is not recommended. You can see all the downtown spots on your own, if you take the metro to stop Parque Republica.

I called Gaby around 6 PM. She answered with a very sleepy voice. I knew from my experience that I don´t want her now. These kids party all night and sleeps through the afternoon and evening. In Buenos Aires, a girl I knew, showed up at 11 PM for an appointment at 5 PM. I heard the same sleepy voice in Gaby. Still she was not totally out of her wits. She was bargaining to get R 300. I told her to go back to sleep.

In our agenda, by now, we had completed to visit all the major clubs, except Bomboa, whcich still not opened. Newton showed up on time and again gave the same bad news...Bomboa is still closed. There is a chance it may open on Friday.

We already decided, that if Bomboa is closed, we will pay a repeat visit to Bahama. After 25 min and R 23 later, we reached Bahama around 10 :30 PM. What a difference it makes, when a driver knows his way around town (read my previous report on Bahama).

Bahama was simply hopping tonight. Lots of beauties. So far, I liked this club even better than Photo. I could compare the collection from Sunday and today (Thursday). I could spot only a handful of girls from Sunday. A totally new and beautiful crew today. Within few minutes I spotted a girl who was doing the live webcast(fully clothed as opposed to other 3 girls). I was immediately taken by her. When her time was up (only one hour in a night for the webcast) she came into the main floor. She was passing by me and smiled at me. I was totally lost. A model without the attitutude. I grabbed her and we immediately hit it off. The show started, lights went down and we started DFK. Things were going so good that the thought of unsucessful money negotiations never crossed my mind. I am only looking for TLN and she was an ideal candidate. She is from Porto Alegre. Pat is 25 and has a 5 year old son. She is only working in Bahama from April, and during each month, she lives in SP with a friend for 2 weeks (and works in Bahama for only few days a week) and spends two weeks in Porto Alegre with her son and perents.
Well the dreaded negotiations started. She agreed on TLN, but asked R 500. I countered with R 300. She came up with R 400. I absolutely refused. I felt very sad when she walked away. I knew that I lost a part of my heart although I was very proud of myself that I did´t allow my little head to take over. Since that time I was a passive witness to all the good things were happening in front of me. Every second I has thinking of Pat. I was watching all the beauties going up with patrons and coming back within an hour. Not my game, really! Meanwhile, a mulata from Salvador, started dancing exoticly in front of me, really started DFK, massaging my johnson, running her fingers through my hair, caressing me with her bunda.........I almost felt I was in a room upstaires with her. I got a raging hard on and for a second, I almost thought of taking her upstaires. But thought of Pat again occupied my mind and I told the girl that I am very tired and could not go with her. Time is almost 2 AM now. My friend has found a girl and waiting for a room to free up. I got tired of standing and took a seat. All of a sudden I felt a warm hand on my chest. Pat is rubbing her head and hand on my chest. That same infectious smile which left me for dead not too long ago. I repeated my offer and she asked R 350. I stood pat on R 300. She did not say anything, just gave me a very erotic look. I kissed her deeply and she reciprocated.
I told her that we got to wait for an hour for my friend who just went up. The time passed very fast while we carressed each other. It was about 3:30 AM, when we went to the exit. My friend made a deal with Barbara for TLN and soon all four of us headed for our hotel in Jardins in a taxi. There is R 100 exit fee to the house to take a girl out.

We went inside my room and I ordered room service. Put on soft music and we started dancing. From that moment on everything is still a blurr. A sweet dream! Her body is of a perfect model. Her face is heavenly. I took lots of pictures. We showered for more than 40 min. Lots of kissing and blowjobs. The whole experience was more than GFE. I don´t mind saying that this was probably the best love making experience I ever had with a working girl. She came twice. She became so much involved that she let me finish on her face and inside her mouth. We cleaned up. Clock is showing 7 AM. She put her head on my chest and we both fell asleep. I struck gold tonight!

Bandy

Bandy
08-13-05, 22:11
Bomboa has technically opened from wednesday. We went on Friday (Aug.12) and the rooms were full of garotas. Now the bad news:
Entry is now R 132, which includes 4 whiskeys (8 yr old) or caipirinhas, 6 beers and may be 10 sodas. Exit fee for the girls is R 100 and onsite room fee is R 70. There were good vibes. More later.

Bandy

Bandy
08-13-05, 22:55
Day 7

Pat´s cell phone woke us up around 11 AM. Her roommate was calling. While she was on phone, I quickly snapped a naked picture of her. She looked so gorgous, I really did not let this opportunity go by. She got little upset and told me that nobody ever taken her naked pictures. I told her that this is exclusively for me and she has nothing to worry about. We had a wonderful round of love making and we opted for more sleep. At around 2:30, we went for lunch. I had a decision to make. She can either come to my place early and leave early (she has a flight to catch from GRU to Porto Alegre at 5 AM) or I can stop the whole thing right there and spend the last night in SP in Bomboa. I opted for the second choice. Around 4 PM, I put her in a taxi and said my goodbye. We exchanged all the e-mails and phone numbers. I definitely like to see her again in my next trip.

I asked our hotel manager to call Bomboa and make sure it is open. He confirmed the opening and we were on our way to Bomboa around 9:30 PM in Newton´s taxi. At the door, we were met with Vanderley, who shared a wealth of information about the temporary closure. You guys all know about it. It was a permit problem regarding the boliche within a restaurant. Anyway, he assured that all the problems are behind them now and they will have a special party to celebrate the re-opening sometimes next month. There were at least 100+ garotas but very few clients. Lots of people still do not know that it has opened. Also, Friday is kind of slow anyway.

I reported below the price increase. I asked Vanderley that I take only soft drinks or water, how am I going to consume R 132 worth of drinks. He then suggested that during checkout, we both should submit our key together and one´s credit could be applied to the other. Throuhout the night I had many conversations with Vanderley. A consumate professional and a great person to talk to. I never give my e-mail to these places. But I was so impressed with Vanderley that I gave him my e-mail when he wanted to place me in their future notification systems. A great guy!
I started seeing lots of girls who I met during last few days in other boliches. My friend already went upstairs with a girl. I liked a girl, Tatiana, and asked her to join me on the sofa. We DFK`d and I bought a drink for her. I am planning to spend the whole R 132. She is a morena and has a beautiful face. Body is not that great. Then she lit a cigarette and I promptly said goodbye. This last night I wanted to do somebody totally different. I am doing all these white skin model types. Tonight, I wanted a mulata and soon I found one. In my eyes Amanda was the best. She is probably the tallest garota (1.9 m) I ever went with. I met her earlier in Millenium. She rememberd me. And when I saw her body tonight, I had no hesitation. She was giving a lapdance (you have to be there to see this; a totally explicit full contact dance) to a patron on the table. What a figure! Not an ounce of fat. Absolute super model. She is studying to be a flight attendent. I told her that she will have no problem to find a job. Very soon I took her upstaires. The service was stupendous and I was a very happy person. When I came back to the bar, Amanda and several friends joined me again. We all were having great time. I was buying drinks for them. Vanderley was keeping a close eye on the bill and soon I went over. It is around 3 AM. I wanted to take another girl home to keep my average 2 per day. I almost ran out of cash. I had no money left over for the garota exit fee (R 100). Vanderley said not to worry. Tonight is slow and they will close at 3:30 (instead of 4 AM) and asked me to tell the girl to meet me outside. I went to Tatiana, offered her R 150 at my hotel for few hours. Initially she asked R 200 but finally agreed to join me. I made sure there was no cigarette involved.

Sex was alright. She had more pleasures than I did. I attained my daily quota. She left around 5 :30 AM, and I went back to sleep.

Day 8

Around 8 AM, I went down for breakfast at the hotel and left for the airport in a taxi driven by a friend of Newton soon after. My flight to Buneos Aires took-off from GRU at eactly 12:16 PM. Goodbye Sao Paulo.

Bandy

Member #4643
08-14-05, 14:03
I am not much of a very late night person, but this morning I awoke alone at 5 am hankering for some action. I remembered reading about Love Story being a late night/early morning place, so I grabbed a cab down to the bar.

I was rather surprised by the scene. There was vitrually non stop 1000 decibel techno rock, and dozens upon dozens of girls. But, there were at least twice as many guys, mostly in their mid 20s-early 30s (I would say that in total, there were several hundred people jammed into the disco). As a 50 yo guy there, I was a little perplexed although still willing to compete. I lost my shyness with women, especially women who are usually paid for their time in bed, several decades ago.

Ultimately, I found someone for an early morning fix back at my hotel, but it was a lot of effort. My question remains: are all of the girls in Love Story available (assuming you can ply them away from their young studs)? Lots of girls dance alone, and I assume these are a little easier to pick up, but in the loud din of the action, even my reasonably advanced Portuguese was not undertandable to most of the girls.

I would appreciate if someone could wisen me up to how this place works, the best way to hook up in a relatively quick way, etc. I want to digest the wisdom, and try again when I return next month.

J Wadd
08-14-05, 21:02
...Yeah, most (if not all) of the women there are availabile. Typically, the girls show up there around 2:30-3 a.m. from the town's various clubs. While they do come to make money, they also come to dance -- so it's not like other clubs, here, in that you're not always guaranteed that they'll drop everything and leave with you.

If you do a search for Love Story on this board, you'll find detailed description after detailed description on it. Good luck.

You've got to learn to stay up late in S.P. Nothing happening worth going to until midnight.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

Paul02
08-15-05, 03:33
I am thinking of going to SP at the end of the month. Can anyone give me an update on the status of the W clubs? I am mainly interested in the quantity and quality of the girls at each of the clubs. Also, which club is currently considered the best.

Thanks