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Admin
01-01-05, 02:00
Thread Starter.

XXL
01-01-05, 03:01
Cali vs SP

I was 7 times in Cali but the last time was 3 years ago. Cali is going down and down since the Cartel was dismantled. I heard the security situation was not improving, that the guerrilla was coming closer ... But none of this, as far as I know, has never deterred anyone from enjoying Cali. I fact, when I flew to Cali, the old, rusted and undermaintained MD-jets of Avianca flying the line Bogota-Cali was what most scared me. It's some time now since they had a crash, so the Gods of statistics are getting impatient, beware and tremble!

With the Real down from its heights, the monetary situation is pretty much the same in both places, with Cali perhaps still 15% cheaper.

Taxis, a big part of any monger's budget, are 50% cheaper in Cali than in SP. On the other hand, SP's subway is totally safe and a remarkably efficient means of going about this sprawling city during daytime.

Hotels may be a problem in Cali: few to choose from and they are not very good. Some very good value for money in SP as far as accomodation is concerned but same problem with "addicionales", i.e. they make you pay to have a girl in and it's often cheaper to take the girl to one of the "moteles".

The girls are about as beautiful in both places, with more dark-skinned ones in SP. On the whole, SP is a bigger place, with many layers of night-life, from the seedy to the classy. But Cali is by no means a small place: considering it only has 1.5 million souls compared to 10 million in SP, its nigh-life is very substantial! What Cali lacks compared to SP is (1) real high-class places and (2) blue movie theaters with girls prowling between rows offering hand jobs. You find these two things in SP.

Coke as much a part of daily life in SP than in Cali.

Condoms equally compulsory in both places.

Cali has an astonishing concentration of marriage agencies and a big percentage of girls are interested in getting married to a gringo. No such thing in SP where girls seem perfectly satisfied with trading sex for money and enjoying life in their "Pais Tropical".

If time is no problem for you, try out both places. I am sure they are the two single hottest places in SA right now.

xxl

Athos
01-01-05, 03:53
Ah Moondog, you just broke my heart. I did see a resemblance to Cindy from MClass but I was hoping for the best.
Dam she looks so hot on Ellass. I'll pass then.
Thanks

MoonDog
01-01-05, 04:30
Those photos were taken a few yeas ago, and chances are she looks a bit better now. I will try and get some more photos later in January.

She is a great girl, and a lot of fun.

Have a great year in 2005 and enjoy the life,

Moondog

Athos
01-01-05, 05:43
Thanks for doing the research and report about Cindy/Karina Moondog.

Bambino
01-01-05, 06:03
Athos,

My man, you must really be on a hunt for the Pet of the Week. Because the hottie in Moondog's photos, is smokin'!

MoonDog
01-01-05, 06:21
That's the fun of it all. :)

Happy new Year to all, and enjoy the life.

Moondog

HokieVT
01-01-05, 17:09
I have never used either service, can I ask why one would be prefered over the other? Also what additional information can one provide for these services such as are girls same as on site? cost for services? experiences with girls? Do they have anyone who speaks English for booking?........we're heading down for our annual trip at the end of February and would love to try these sites. Thank you in advance.

Biggie Smalls
01-01-05, 18:50
Happy New Years Mongers! I hope this one is just that much more enjoyable for all of us in our favorite past time!!

Well, Im back from spending Dec. in the good ol US of A and I've got a lot of catching up to do. I plan on not getting back into the work mode until around the 20th. I need these first 20 days to make up for the month I missed of mongering, so Im gonna double up..ha ha!

I say that to say this. If you are here or coming through, PM me, and we can go out and create some great posts for the WSG.

I hope to give you guys some good post this month.

Ate breve,

BS

MoonDog
01-01-05, 18:59
HokieVT,

Look at the phone numbers given for the girl on the website. If it is the same number for all the girls, it is an agency, and they will want top $$$. If the numbers are all different, then you are talking directly to the girl herself. Most of the girls are wysiwyg, but if one shows up who is definitely not her, and you are not satisfied with the replacement, send her on her way. That is the advantage of the clubs, as you can get a "feel" :) for the girl and her attitude before you have her come over.

Many of the girls will ask towards the higher end from the clubs, but offer them a time and place the next afternoon, and they will usually agree to less, or for a longer time. Tell them that you have had too many beers that night or some other reason.

The best way is not even to mention money, just treat them like a normal girl, where the two of you know the outcome already. Treat her nice, make her laugh, and if you two get along great, then definitely give her an amount geared toward the high side plus taxi. For 2-3 hours, then go with R$300 or a bit more if you want. If she just eats and runs, and you two really do not have any chemistry, then stick with minumum, say R$150-200 for the hour. It all depends on you and her.

If you go in the same club again, and the same girl sees you and wants to go again, and you are not so inclined, just be up front with her and tell her that you want to experience other girls. They will understand, and will try and lower their prices so that you will go with them again. The choice is up to you.

Have fun, and enjoy the life,

Moondog

Kinesics
01-02-05, 16:20
I would never know that what's in your store. Those photo's of Cindy/Karina were one set of many trophies that you have acquired over a few years. Good job and I (or we are) am proud of you! Take care and hope to see you soon in SP. O2G

MoonDog
01-02-05, 17:39
Off2Golf,

Thanks for the nice words. There are many more just like her waiting for everybody's company and $$.

The best to all in 2005 and enjoy the life. :)

Moondog

Ecanto
01-04-05, 13:43
Greetings to everyone,

I spent three days in Sao Paulo in mid-December. My report below focuses on aspects that (to an extent) go underreported on this board. This means I will not report on places like Bomboa but rather on other options open to you in SP.

But first of all, two things about the city itself. Firstly, I personally found SP more enjoyable than Rio. This is in large part due to the fact that SP is not a city where you usually find tourists – even though I am as white as it goes, people originally assumed (that is until I opened my mouth) that I was brazilian (if that was true on the street, it was less true in clubs). What this means is among other thing that cab drivers do not try to swindle you and no one pesters you on the street. Which brings me to the issue of personal security/safety – I found the situation far less precarious that I assumed, reading this board and other sources. Provided that you blend in, don't walk about with a camera, you are able to go most (if not all) places without feeling ill at ease (see below). This does not mean that risks don't exist, but that taking the subway on your own or wander a bit at night is not as daunting as some make it sound. Just need to use a bit of commonsense!

Cinema globo – As it had been referred to on this board once or twice, I decided to try my luck. It was in fact rather fun. You enter that cinema for 5 reais, and take a seat. There are ladies walking up and down the aisles, trying to hook up with you. I spotted a cute "morena" and joined her at the bar. We chatted for more than half an hour (she gets a cut on the beers you buy, but giving the low prices, it doesn’t really matter). When then headed to a sort of small cubicle where the only piece of furniture was an armchair (apparently there are rooms but they are in the process of being revamped), where we proceeded to do the deed. Given the price (40 reais and I bet they overcharge me) and the responsiveness of the girl, it was really worth it. If you look for a new cultural experience and to learn new armchair positions, it is really worth it. Although it would not suit those looking for a minimum of comfort.

Eight story building on Limeira street – here again, a new cultural experience, at least for a new comer to Brazil like me. You walk up and down the eight floors (better be fit if you do it several time to check all the girls) to select a girl. The quality ranges from poor to cute. I went there twice and both time found girls that were more than ok. The standard price seems to be 15 reais – can't beat it if you seek cheap action to get started before higher quality encounters. Here again, safety did not seem to be an issue.

Clinicas – Clinicas are a good way to start your day too – they open between 11am and 12 pm. Price and quality vary greatly among clinicas, but the gpguia.net has a list of all of them that enable you to narrow down your choice. By picking a middle of the range clinica, you will have one hour of fun for 100 to 120 Reais all inclusive (ie you pay the entire amount at the reception). The choice of girls is not always outstanding, but at least fair. In any case, if you don’t like the offer, you are entirely free to walk out. No pressure whatsoever to consume.

Escorts/acompanhantes – They are a great way to spend your afternoons. They may be sometimes booked in the evening but certainly not before. This may be why they are usually fairly responsive if you offer to meet them at any time during that period of the day. As already mentioned on this board, when you identify an escort on a website, you need to typed her tel. number on google.com.br to see whether she works for an agency or on her own (ie avoid agencies, they are likely to try the old bait and switch trick). Once you've done that, you should also go to gpguia.net – using the search function, you can usually get a pretty good assessment of the lady, including prices, performances and services performed. Proceeding this way, I was able to single out and visit a few escorts that performed above par (euphemism). It usually cost me 150 Reais for a 90 min. session, which I usually extended to two hours. In fact, the only difficult part in this was to converse with them on the phone and set up an appointment (my Portuguese is really basic).A way to go around is to single out a few escorts on websites that publish an email address, submit your request by electronic means and then just confirm the rendez-vous by telephone. If you proceed this way, in my experience, you are able to meet ladies of the club level (Bomboa et al.) at a fraction of the price.

Finally, the night club Love Story – I was lucky insofar as I was able to meet up with someone else from this board to head to LS, which made the experience quite enjoyable (if you read this, thanks again for the evening). The place is fun in its own right, ie simply to sit and watch. Approaching girls is really easy if you feel like it, no one will turn you down. The trick rather seems to find the girl that will perform than to merely find a girl (even though it is 8am, some will ask you for US$ 100 – drop them right there).

Ecanto

QuackUp
01-05-05, 22:19
Hi,

To all the SP regulars, have any of you tried this website, www.garotasplayboy.com? I saw it listed in a magazine the hotel staff gave me last summer. Some of the girls look pretty good so hopefully it's not a bait and switch. I will be back in August to test out if nobody knows.

Thanks,

Q

XXL
01-06-05, 20:16
I've just taken a look at the site and I would write if off without hesitation.

If you click on "Acompanhantes", you get a page with thumbnails of girls. The girls named "Hana" and "Elenice", for instance, have featured in Paul Raymond's soft porn publications ("Men's Wordl", "Club", "Mayfair"). Most of the girls on this page are probably no more Brazilian than you and me.

xxl

QuackUp
01-06-05, 21:01
XXl,

Thanks, I guess I will stay away from that website.

Q

Kuranyi
01-07-05, 20:51
After 5 days in Buenos Aires I am in Sao Paulo from the 8.1.05 to 13.1.05.If someone wants to meet for a beer pm me.

See you,

Kuranyi

JavMav
01-11-05, 13:21
So nobody posts here between controversies?

About a 50% chance I'll be there Thursday morning for a one-day mongering event of epic proportions. I'll know in several hours. If so, I'd be happy to meet Kuranyi and anybody else.

My plan is try Bomboa's, as I missed it last time. That will cover food and drinks. Then, perhaps, the strip joints (I hate going home alone).

I'll post in a few hours.

Mav'

Geriatno
01-12-05, 01:48
hello friends,

will be in sp next week and i am looking for an aparthotel (parthenon type) with the following:

1. must be in the jardins area
2. must have high speed internet in the room
3. must have a fitness center (not just a pool)

any leads? thanks in advance

geriatno

Cronky
01-12-05, 02:41
(1) I'll be in SP in March. It'll be my first time there. It's almost impossible to find busty garotas in Rio. Busty for me is D cup and up.

Will I be able to find busty garotas in SP?

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I keep hearing that there are many garotas in SP of Japanese descent. They're almost impossible to find in Rio.

(2) Are there any clubs/termas/etc. that specialize in garotas of Japanese descent?

Any recommendations/suggestions/leads would be much appreciated.

Starfe
01-12-05, 18:25
I called the Hyatt to find out the policy about bringing girls back for the night. I got an interesting answer: they have a book on girls at the front desk that they recommend. Hotel rooms are $121 a night and I told them that's my limit. They said " come on down ".
You got to love Brazil.

Starfe

Kinesics
01-12-05, 18:43
Cronky,

I have not seen abundant D's and DD's in Sao Paulo but a few can be found. If you found it, it could have been artificially enhanced.

Same story is for Japanese decentants in the trade but again a few can be found. I have seen two or three in Cafe Photo and a couple in Bomboa. If your "mission" is to conquer them in Sao Paulo, you may try the agencies via websites or othewise. You will have better chances to pick and choose from their lineup. Good luck!

Kinesics
01-12-05, 18:50
Starfe,

This is sufficient cause for me to switch to Hyatt from Hilton Morumbi in Brooklyn. Room rate is certainly better than Hilton Morumbi. Is Hyatt also in near Hilton Morumbi? I thought I saw it in the area. Thanks for sharing the information. O2G

Cronky
01-12-05, 19:05
Off2Golf,

Thanks for the suggestions. While I'm in SP, I'd like to find what I can't find in RJ, i.e., busty and/or japanese women. If I can't find either, I have no trouble "settling" for a beautiful brazilian girl with a big, phat booty.

Cronky

Biggie Smalls
01-12-05, 19:15
Well gents, I had hoped to have more updates for you this week but being as the clubs have been slow due to the first of the year crap, I have opted for more overnight trips out of town with my "girlfriend". Still, sex has been off the hook and I even have a tan...ha ha. Got to make the best of any situation.

But I did get out last Thursday. Went to "Donna", walked in, walked out. There was maybe 3 or 4 girls there that I could see. And 3 guys. The host apologized and said please return next week and it will be much different. We will see.

I ended up back at Cafe Millenari (http://www.cafemillenari.com.br/) a place I reported on a few months back. I found it with over 20 girls and maybe 10 or 15 guys. There were only 2 girls I was interested in by sight. I had 4 girls sit and talk with me for a while but nothing clicked. I finally told the girls I didnt want to offend but now I wanted to invite someone over to the table and they were cool.

Out of the two I was eye balling, I decided against the prettier. Her attitude walking around gave my gut a bad feeling (Ive learned to go with my gut). So I walked over to the bar and struck up a conversation with Fernanda. Reminded me of Will Smiths wife, Jada Pinket? I said reminded me bros, didnt say was as pretty. Immediately it was a 1000 times better than the conversations I was having with the other 4. I invited her back to my table. We had great conversation lot of laughing, she was very cool. She was burning me on the drinks, I knew it but didnt care. I let her order a energy drink with whiskey twice. They do this because it counts as four instead of two. I usually dont permit this but I was enjoying her company so I let it slide (R25 x 4 her drinks).

Long story short, oops too late, anyhow, we started negotiating. She said R300 for take out, R150 for an hour in the rooms, or R100 for a half hour in the rooms. I bullshitted her bout how much fun we were going to have if she left with me, blah blah blah, and got her down to R200 for take out.

She then informed me there was a house fee of R150 for take out. I told her to sit tight. I went to the door man, who confirmed. I told him no way, so he called the manager, and the manager said, tonight is very slow, R100. I said no, tonight is very, very slow, how about R70. He agreed.

Took her to Hotel Savvoy on Augusta. Great sex. She even tied ol Biggie up to the bed post. Have to admit, I trusted her, but I secretly untied my hands during sex and just pretended to be tied because common sense was working. Funny thing was, she was like a premature ejaculator...ha ha. She had an orgasm about 5 minutes into it. Then another like 10 minutes. Hey, Im not trying to say it was me! I do alot of garotas here and none are collapsing in five minutes...ha ha. But she had a great appetite and was aggressive. After each one, she was right back at it in full stride. She stayed with me multiple sessions before and after sleep until noon the next day.

I took her back to Millenari where I guess she lives through the week. I recommend her and plan on returning to do it again. So on that note, dont ruin it for me and say, hey, tie me up like you did that guy the other night. Then she'll know I kiss and tell, and will damper my relationship there. Thanks for looking out.

Run down:
R50 to enter
R70 House take out fee
R200 for garota
R100 for her drinks

Hope this educates and helps...until next time.

Biggie

Starfe
01-12-05, 20:59
I have only stayed at the Emiliano hotel and there rates are now $238 U.S..

The Hyatt is a few blocks from the Hilton. Not the best area during the night or day but they have a great in house spa and i will still hit all the same spots + they have a fantastic Japanese restaurant in the hotel. I had dinner there last month.
Book online for that price. You can actual wait till the day you leave since the hotel always has rooms.

Starfe

Almotu
01-13-05, 03:01
geriatno,

i would look into the transamerica flat group they have several properties around the jardins area. (http://www.transamericaflats.com.br/flats/frameset_flats.htm) also blue tree might work for you.

during the last time that i checked into the in room high speed internet requirement, none of the parthenon chain and the ibis chain did not have them. the higher end mercure or sofitel might.

the renassiance might have in room internet access as well.

good luck,

almotu

Athos
01-13-05, 08:16
you can try the parthenon st germain, perfectly located on rua padre joao manoel, free fast speed internet. actually all parthenon have free internet these days. small gym by the top floor but enough to get the job done.

Harry58
01-13-05, 08:39
I called the Hyatt to find out the policy about bringing girls back for the night. I got an interesting answer: they have a book on girls at the front desk that they recommend. Hotel rooms are $121 a night and I told them that's my limit. They said " come on down ".

You got to love Brazil.

StarfeThank Starfe for information! I'll be at Hyatt on 18th Feb.

If you have more information about book and girl on it pls post.

Many thanks

Harry

Genghis Khan
01-13-05, 10:06
Starfe and Off2Golf,

I bet this book they are talking about is the Catátalogo Golden. Thanks for
the tip. I will stay there on my next trip too.

GK

Jose Marcia
01-14-05, 14:21
Here is an email that I received. If anyone is interested, these places may be worth checking. Cuidado!

Lista de puteiros em São Paulo: SEMPRE TEM UM PERTO DE VC!!!

Zona Sul:

ANA ROSA Rua Machado de Assis, 449 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Rua Joaquim Távora, 135 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Rua Vergueiro, 2.339 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
BROOKLIN Rua Álvaro Rodrigues, 383 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Rua Bartolomeu Feio, 483 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Jaceru, 177 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Rua Michigan, 931 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Texas, 1.132 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
CAMPO BELO Rua Antonio Macedo Soares, 2.030 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Conde de Porto Alegre, 1.618 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Conde de Porto Alegre, 1.899 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora> = R$ 40,00
Rua Demóstenes, 65 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Demóstenes, 245 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Jesuíno Maciel, 1.746 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Otávio Tarquínio de Souza, 75 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$
40,00
Rua Otávio Tarquínio de Souza, 95 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$
40,00
Rua Otávio Tarquínio de Souza, 320 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora =
R$ 40,00
Rua Otávio Tarquínio de Souza, 1.100 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora =
R$ 40,00
CONCEIÇÃO Rua Pedro Severino, 288 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
IBIRAPUERA Rua Joinville, 468 IPIRANGA Rua Mariano Procópio, 35 Rua Tabor, 726 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
ITAIM BIBI Rua Elvira Ferraz, 199 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
JABAQUARA Rua das Cassuarinas, 22 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua das Oiticicas, 41 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua dos Buritis, 273 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Farjalla Koraicho, 489 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua General Valdomiro de Lima, 67 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00 JARDIM PAULISTA Rua Batataes, 270 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Avenida Brigadeiro Luiz Antonio, 4.554 - 1/ 2 hora = R$ 60,00 // 1 hora = R $ 80,00
Alameda Franca, 175 - 1/2 hora = R$ 80,00 // 1 hora = R$ 100,00
Alameda Jaú, 480 - 1/2 hora = R$ 70,00 // 1 hora = R$ 90,00
Alameda Joaquim Eugênio de Lima, 1.674 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 80,00
MIRANDOPOLIS Avenida Casemiro da Rocha, 468 - 1/2 hora = R$ 45,00 // 1 hora = R$> 65,00
Rua das Rosas, 732 - 1/2 hora = R$ 45,00 // 1 hora = R$ 65,00
Rua dos Iris, 36 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 30,00
MOEMA Avenida dos Eucaliptos, 657 - 1/2 hora = R$ 60,00 // 1 hora = R$ 80,00
Alameda dos Jurupis, 835 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Alameda dos Jurupis, 1.408 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00 Avenida Jandira, 970 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
PARAÍSO Rua Manoel da Nóbrega, 812 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
PRAÇA DA ÁRVORE Rua Caramuru, 55 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Caramuru, 246 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Caramuru, 286 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Guarau, 137 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Guarau, 161 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Jua, 154 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Pitangueiras, 125 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Pirituba, 303 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
SAO JUDAS Avenida Jabaquara, 2.604 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Panamericana, 84 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Soares de Avelar, 142 - 1/2 hora = R$ 25,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
SAÚDE Avenida Miguel Estéfano, 299 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Alcatrazes, 225 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Pereira Estefano, 218 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Uranio, 178 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
VILA MARIANA Rua Afonso Celso, 146 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Afonso Celso, 871 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Afonso Celso, 964 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Correia Vasquez, 48 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Avenida Domingos de Moraes, 1.190 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Avenida Domingos de Moraes, 1.460 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Avenida Domingos de Moraes, 2.218 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Avenida Domingos de Moraes, 2.228/2.236 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Cubatão, 948 - Rua dos Otonis, 541 - 1/2 hora = R$ 45,00 // 1 hora = R$ 65,00
Rua Francisco Cruz, 124 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora R$ 40,00
Rua Loefgreen, 887 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Loefgreen, 1.435 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Loefgreen, 1.448 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Rua Mairinque, 281 - Rua Ouvidor Peleja, 111 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora
R$ 30,00
Rua Vergueiro, 3.374

Zona Leste:

ARTUR ALVIM >Rua Dr. Luiz Aires, 1.590 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
MOOCA >Rua Tobias Barreto, 636 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
PENHA Rua Guaiauna, 118 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Guaiauna, 419 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Guaiauna, 679 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
SAO MIGUEL PAULISTA Rua Cumaru, 8 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
TATUAPÉ Rua Azevedo Soares, 1.609 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Caraguatai, 118 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Emilio Mallet, 288 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Monte Serrat, 481 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Serra de Botucatu, 31 - 1/2 hora = R$ 25,00 // 1 hora R$ 50,00
Rua Serra de Japi, 791 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Serra de Jurea, 268 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Serra de Jurea, 400 - 1/2 hora R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
VILA CARRÃO Rua Apucarana, 735 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00 Rua Conselheiro Carrão, 317 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Conselheiro Carrão, 559 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Padre Adelino, 1.958 - Rua Padre Estevao Pernet, 1.376 - 1/2 hora = R$20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Serra de Botucatu, 734 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Serra de Botucatu, 770 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Serra de Botucatu, 836 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Vilela, 942 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00

Zona Norte:

BAIRRO DO LIMÃO Avenida Professor Celestino Bourrol, 1701 - 1/2 hora = R$ 35,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
SANTANA Sua Alfredo Pujol, 98 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00 Rua Coronel Marcilio Franco, 145 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00 Rua Darzan, 358 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Dr. Zuquim, 53 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Dr. Zuquim, 422 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Dr. Zuquim, 1.153 Rua Ezequiel Freire, 565 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1
hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Gabriel Piza, 515 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 80,00
Rua Gabriel Piza, 548 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Avenida General Ataliba Leonel, 825 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Jovita, 237 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Jovita, 546 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Leite de Moraes, 337 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Leite de Moraes, 365 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Viri, 74 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00

Zona Oeste:

ÁGUA BRANCA Rua Crasso, 195 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
HIGIENOPOLIS Alameda Barros, 186 - apto. 1502 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 //
1 hora = R$ 60,00
LAPA Rua Catão, 663 - 1/2 hora = R$ 110,00 // 1 hora = R$ 140,00
Rua Clelia, 1.835 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Coriolano, 1.988 - 1/ 2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Avenida Imperatriz Leopoldina, 987 - 1/2 hora = R$ 25,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Monteiro de Mello, 679 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Sabaúna, 178 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Trajano, 113 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
PERDIZES Rua Cayowaa, 173 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
PINHEIROS >Rua Cunha Gago, 717 - 1/2 hora = R$ 55,00 // 1 hora = R$ 75,00 Rua Francisco Leitao, 571 >Rua Melo Palheta, 270 - 1/2 hora = R$ 50,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
POMPÉIA Avenida Pompéia, 1.457 - 1/2 hora = R$ 55,00 // 1 hora = R$ 80,00 Avenida Pompéia, 1.855 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Venâncio Aires, 781 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
VILA LEOPOLDINA Rua Guaipa, 431
VILA MADALENA Rua Fradique Coutinho, 830 - 1/2 hora = R$ 55,00 // 1 hora = R$ 75,00
Rua Mourato Coelho, 621 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 60,00
Rua Mourato Coelho, 1.023 - 1/2 hora = R$ 40,00 // 1 hora = R$ 70,00
Rua Paracue, 150 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00

Centro:

Edificio Andradas - Rua dos Andradas, 69 Edificio Itatiaia - Rua Barao de Limeira, 134 Praca Roosevelt, 112 - Apto. 41 Rua Dr. Cesario Mota Junior, 568 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua General Jardim, 242 CONSOLAÇÃO Rua da Consolação, 1.735 - 1/2
hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua da Consolacao, 2.322 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00 LIBERDADE Rua Barão de Iguape, 620 Praça Carlos Gomes, 103 Rua Conselheiro Furtado, 151 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua da Gloria, 138 Rua dos Estudantes, 241 - apto. 11 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Rua Lavapés, 31 Rua Thomaz Gonzaga, 55 SANTA IFIGENIA Rua General Osorio, 623 Rua Santa Efigenia, 308 Regiao do Grande

ABC:

SANTO ANDRÉ Avenida Dom Pedro II, 1914 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
Travessa Sao Joao, 74 - 1/2 hora = R$ 20,00 // 1 hora = R$ 40,00
SÃO BERNARDO DO CAMPO >Rua Ari Barroso, 5 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Caspio, 335 - 1/2 hora = R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Java, 217 - 1/2 hora R$ 30,00 // 1 hora = R$ 50,00
Rua Tremembé, 32 - 1/2 hora = R$ 60,00 // 1 hora = R$ 80,00

Geriatno
01-16-05, 18:03
Hi all,

Thanks for the great suggestions re: aparthotel. I have chosen the Parthenon in Jardins.

I will be in SP Jan 19-23. PM me if you are interested in exploring the city together- always nice to have a wingman.

I am from California, like a good party. My portuguese is not good at all, I let my basic espanol get me around in Brasil, and it is somewhat of a challenge!! This will be my 3rd trip to Brasil, am learning the ropes.

And thanks for that comprehensive list, Jose Marcia. I plan to check some out

Cheers

Geriatno

MoonDog
01-17-05, 07:40
after an all night flight, it was a beautiful sight to my eyes to see a gorgeous girl standing in front of the hotel waiting for her car to be brought around as we drove up. after getting my bags, i looked up and saw that she was gone, but as i got closer, she came out again just as her car was being brought up. she was beautiful, dressed very nicely, and had most likely spent the night with a lucky guy welcome to brazil. i spoke a few words to her, but she was in a hurry and drove off. the bellmen tried to get her number for me later, but they were unsuccessful. damn, better luck next time.

while browsing the internet for the escort agencies, a friend of mine popped up on im, and we started chatting. he suggested www.frenesy.com.br and i tried to call lucinha, http://www.frenesy.com.br/conteudo/abertura/lucinha/lucinha.htm, but could not get through. so he tried and got right through, and it was set up. we did a google search on her phone number and thought it might be an agency, which it turned out to be. i had my doubts that the one on the website would show up, but decided to give it a go anyway. i almost missed her, as i went downstairs to buy some condoms, and just as i hit the lobby, i saw a cute girl in a yellow top walking out. i almost went after her, but did not, and went to the store in the hotel. walking through the lobby again, the bellman came up to me and asked if i was expecting a guest. after answering yes, he pointed across the phone to the girl using a public phone, and it was the same girl that was seen earlier. after getting her attention, and confirming that she was there for me, the sad realization was that she was not the same girl as was on the website. her attitude was top notch though, and she was cute, had healthy tits, and a nice figure, so why not? during the course of the time we were together, references were made to the website photo and she kept on insisting that it was her. obviously it was not, but she was a great performer, and gave me a great massage afterward. she was a great girl, and well worth the time invested. sleep took care of the rest of the afternoon, and meeting co-workers for a beer later was on the agenda as well.

while meeting for a few drinks, the thought of visiting café foto again had been running through my mind. a quick phone call established that dinner would be served if requested. the co-workers did not want to go with me, so i said adios, and walked out to get a cab. this was not one of the regular cabs that the hotel uses, but one that was dropping off someone in front of the hotel. i got in, expecting a short ride to foto, but that was short lived. the first clue that something was not right was that the driver started explaining to me his every reason for taking a round about way. then he stopped at least 4 times to ask directions, and always seemed to take the long way from those points. i told him to turn off the meter, but he kept insisting that foto was close by. what should have been a r$15-20 cab ride was now pushing r$40. when he finally found foto, the meter said $r43.50. i gave him r$20, told the security guards at foto that he was jerking around customers, and to not use him. they chased him off, i paid the entrance fee of r$160, and went in.

it was about 9:00 by this time, and there were about 10 girls around. dinner was ordered, served, and there was no shortage of beautiful garotas looking for attention. the best way i can describe this place is attending a cocktail party or wedding reception, with about 100 girls in attendance, all dressed beautifully to the nines, and all available for you. that is a real problem as you do not know who to choose as there are so many of the garotas, and not that many guys. this was a thursday night, and the eye contact was fierce. it seemed like you had to employ the same techniques as when giving a speech to an audience, looking over the audience and towards the other side of the room. you could not miss though, the stares of the girls trying to get your attention, and if you did not want to encourage her, had to reserve looking at her until she was looking the other way. then the fun started when she would swing around and catch you looking at her. it was a riot, as they would get a good laugh out of it. the garotas were very polite though. if you bought them a drink, and still wanted to move around a bit, you just had to tell her that she was free to move around if she wanted. they would accept it and move on.

there were plenty of beautiful girls there, but i wanted attitude along with it, and someone who was in no hurry to rush off or maybe even come back the next day. the first girl i started talking to was beautiful, long blonde hair, slim, but she brought her friend into the picture. she also wanted to leave early as she was leaving for curitiba the next day. another girl was pretty, and could speak good english, but started asking for presents from the u.s. that was another turnoff.

around 11:30, the 2nd floor opened, and this night, the third floor was open as well. the third floor is usually reserved for private parties or for entertaining special guests, but tonight it was open, and is a very quiet place to talk. while looking around, a girl that i had seen earlier caught my eye. she was not the tall, statuesque, model type, that we look at in magazines and such, but i loved her smile, and she was more of the girl next door type. we spent some time talking, she was doing everything right, so we made the decision to leave together. she asked me if i prefer to take care of the money before or after, i said after, as i did not like talking about money in the club. as we were walking down the stairs, she stopped and said she had to get an agreement between us before we left. i rolled my eyes and said, “ok, give me a number.” she stated $200 u.s., i mentioned that i only had reals, and countered with r$400. she accepted and we left to a local club for some nice music and close dancing. after a few dances, she told me that she was now my girlfriend in sao paulo.

at the hotel, she was as affectionate as could be, took a bath with me washing her body, and it was a very entertaining night. sexually she was top notch. she wanted to stay at the rest of the night, but also wanted to leave for her house, as she did not want to walk to walk out in the morning in her clothes that she had on the night before. she left around 0300, and then came back the next day around 2:00. she looked great that day, dressed in nice jeans, and that beautiful smile of hers. needing some things back in the room, we returned, and no sooner had we entered did she plop herself down on the bed. her smile at me was all it took for another round.

there was no talk about money at all during the afternoon, but the other shoe dropped when she talked about going shopping. i knew there had to be a catch, but was not a bit worried, as the time with her was quite enjoyable. going by the pool area on the way out of the hotel, she put her hand over my eyes so that i would not look at the other girls. i really laughed at this, and said that she could have any guy she wanted after i left. she said that while we were together today, her time was with me. that is a nice way to put it, so i behaved myself the rest of the afternoon.

we stopped for lunch, i picked up a few items for myself locally, and we headed out to a large shopping mall. i mentioned that i had been here before, and the questions immediately started: who? when? where did you meet her? sheez, they never stop. i laughed and told her not to worry, as this was about two years ago. she gave me a smirky smile, i squeezed her butt and said, ”come on, let’s go in.” she said, “ok,” and we went in the mall. the time was very relaxing with her, having an ice cream, buying her a white camisole with a matching pair of panties, and stopping at a sex shop nearby.

i was cracking up as she wanted to go into the store and buy something, as she was going to get the full $200 out of me one way or the other. anyway, while looking around, she starting looking at a huge, vibrating dildo. the guy in the store wanted r$300 for it and i just said no. i told her to buy it if she wanted it so bad. then we were looking at some mugs in all sorts of shapes, tits, balls and a penis, etc. she wanted one of them, and then the guy started to make all sorts of deals if we took both the dildo and the mug together. we went back and forth on the price, and finally settled. i told sue that because i bought this dildo for her, that next time she had to bring a girl friend to join us. she said ok, but that i could not touch her. ha, let’s see how far that goes. :)

back at the hotel, she modeled the camisole, and it was a riot messing around with the dildo with “the girl next door.” all in all, it was a great way to spend two days in sao paulo. just thought i would share this story with you.

enjoy the life,

moondog

Rovnak
01-28-05, 10:07
Forgive the novice question,

Any recommendations on breaking down the time spent between SP and Rio for a two week trip in April?

I will start off in SP for sure, have bizness for two days and then have 10 days vacation.

I am interested in what the veterans would recommend for maximizing mongering pleasure. I have never been to South America, but speak reasonable Spanish, will study basic Port before trip. Will read the entire forum. But I have to make my plane reservations and would like some opinions on how to split up the time. I have no interest in conventional tourism, in it strictly for the booty.

Thanks in advance

XXL
01-29-05, 09:10
To Cronky :

You will see plenty of chesty women in SP but, like elsewhere in SA, plastic surgery is rampant, so it comes down to whether you mind the tits being fakes. Brazilians have a joking way of enquiring about the genuineness of secondary sexual characteristics : "è natural ou comprado ("is it natural or was it bought?").

Now girls of Asian origin. In the local linguo, they are called "Nissei". You will come across the word in the classfied ads section of Folha de Sao Paulo. I once booked one who had thus advertised. She was of Asian race all right, but rather ugly. Those girls are in the minority so they will try to sell their "asianness" even if they have little to offer in the way of looks. I remember spotting one or two good-looking ones in Kilt (rua Nestor Pestana, in the Consolaçao district, a well-know, rather upmarket place).

xxl

Kinesics
01-29-05, 19:33
Thanks for sharing envious but great story in SP!

I am glad to hear that Cafe Photo is still going strong without any compromise. I have not been in Photo for almost a year. I might be able to work out my schedule to be in SP for the week of 21st of February.

Getting right onto the business after overnight flight tells me that your priority has never been compromised. My hat's off to you!

Hope to see you soon! O2G

XXL
01-30-05, 09:22
Whoop, I've hardly been able to access the forum these past two weeks. Nothing to do with bandwith, I have broadband.

Still, here are passwords to three of the major sites. Since URLs are not allowed, you will have first to find the sites. You can do so by searching for "[Name of site] + [acompanhante]".

Sexdreams

user name : antonio
Password: guinosa
____________________________

Malicia :

user name : palucco
password : parsifal

______________________________

Chantily

user name : bratex
password : 343133


These were still working yesterday. Remember that if several people are trying to access the site simultaneously with the same login data, they may get blocked. So it may be a good idea to try outside Brazil's working hours, when it is less likely that people will be logging in.

xxl

Long Stroker
01-30-05, 10:44
That Sexdreams site is great! Thanks for sharing.

MoonDog
01-30-05, 21:40
Off2Golf,

Thanks.

For shear beauty and ambiance, Cafe Foto is the best. Hope to see you soon.

XXL,

Thanks for sharing the info.

Moondog

Prosal
01-31-05, 12:49
For longer stays (on the uppermarket side), there's a newly opened Marriott Serviced Apartments in Itaim Bibi area, one of the most lively area in town : tons of regular bars and restaurants, close from Moema, Vila Olimpia, Jardims or Pinheiros, ect .... perfect location.

http://marriott.com/property/propertyPage.mi?marshaCode=SAOER ;

Pro

XXL
01-31-05, 13:53
Contatos

User name : Mancha
Password : Verde

These worked for me yesterday. I don't remember if I capitalised the initial letter or not.

As usual, to find the site, search for "contatos acompanhantes" in Google.

It's always interesting to see the restricted pics of a girl because they're usually not as impressive as the one accessible to non members. It helps you to play down your expectations regarding what you will see when the girl knocks at your door.

xxl

Surferr3
02-01-05, 06:59
fez
fez

I'll be in SP on Thursday if anyone's interested in a Cafe Photo run.

Member 9578
02-02-05, 17:40
Seems like I recall reading a post listing some of the sex motels in sao paulo(of course can not find it now).

Does anyone know if there is anything similar to VIPS(that is in rio) in Sao Paulo?

Looking for something that may have multiple rooms, saunas, steambaths, swimming pool, etc to throw a party at.

Thanks

Aussie Greg
02-02-05, 20:23
Gidday guys,

First Id like to thank Moondog for all his information to make my few days en S.P an unbelievable expirence, his insight, places, costs, general experance ect are invaluable to a guy on his first trip to Gods Country !!!!

First place on the list was Bomboa !!! on a Saturday they close early 9.00pm, I got talking to an english speaking Paulanista guy named Vanderley who works there, great guy. I said to him, shit its to early, how about taking me and my mate to some action, Ill buy you a few beers, of we went to Kilt and the other bars there, shit did i get pissed, ended up taking all the guys and chickers there ( the workers not the *****s !! ) to an early breakfast after work at 5.00am.

After two days to recover from that night I got back to Bamboa at around 1.00pm, had 5 girls that afternoon, night, all gave me there private phone numbers, the quality of the girls were from 6 to 8.75 !!! my five girls were all 8.5 to 8.75 range !!, all were GFEx, I can not speak more highly of this place, as for costs, they were a good deal for me !! one girl came home with me for the whole night and didnt charge so that was a bonas !!.

My last night in S.P I again took the Doggie Mans advice and went to Cafe Photo, got there early so had time to stalk my pray !!!!. Picked out a former model, 30 anos, 6ft tall, 50 kilo !!!, a great girl and took her back to my hotel, I dealt with her like an elderly man should !!!! I had to help her to the toilet afterwoulds !!
I guess they have not seen to many aussies at C.F, there was me in shorts, Tshirt, thongs ( like the ones you wear on your feet ) having a great time dancing with my girl and her lesso friends, all these other guys in there suits dressed up to the 9s, trying to show all there money, position in life, noise in the air, spending other peoples money ect !!! fuck them, I was going in for the kill and having fun, I stalked her, through her over my sholder and walked out, through her in the taxi back to my hotel.


Thats it guys, quato dias en S.P., Im now in Medellin, Colombia.

Serte,

Aussie Greg

Rovnak
02-05-05, 23:52
The forum is very helpful, but perhaps some of the older posts are no longer searchable? I have searched for parthenon and only a few recent posts were retreived. I recall reading this forum in years past and finding multiple posting with "parthenon" mentioned. I cannot find them now.

So I may be asking questions which have been answered before.

1. Is http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/ a good site to do the reservations through?

2. I want to make sure I get a room with a bed large enough for 2 people. Would that be "Apartamento Standard com 1 cama casal"?

3. What is the differnce between "Tarifa Balcão" (Tariff Balcony) and "Preco Promocional Internet" (internet promotional price)? Ok, the Balcao is a bit more expensive, but what is the difference in what you are reserving? Is is just the difference b/t a room with a balcony and a room without a balcony?

4. Are reservations made through acorhotels like conventional hotel reservations in respect to when the charges are actuall made and in respect to checking out early? I don't exactly know my full itinerary and may be staying all of time in SP or spending some time in SP and then splitting for Rio. So I would prefer to reserve for the full time in SP and then be free to check out early if I decide that I have had enough of SP and want to head to Rio. I know that some internet reservations are pay up front style and that would defeat my intention.

5. Here is the most important question. Please give opinions on which Parthenon or Parthenons to select. I have up to 10 days to play with so I can even split time in > 1 location, and I know SP is large so that might be a good idea. My only requirements are that the apartment have a good size bed, a kitchenette, a gym (or access to a close gym) and be located close to the action (boites, and providers). I understand that many of the indy accompanhantes are located in the Jardins area. Is that a good reason to stay near there? Basically, i want to sample the full menu - outcalls, Bomboa, Millenium, Love Story, Cafe Photo, Antares or some other top end clinicas.

Thanks in advance.

Rovnak
02-06-05, 00:07
The forum is very helpful, but perhaps some of the older posts are no longer searchable? I have searched for parthenon and only a few recent posts were retreived. I recall reading this forum in years past and finding multiple posting with "parthenon" mentioned. I cannot find them now.

So I may be asking questions which have been answered before.

1. Is http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/ a good site to do the reservations through?

2. I want to make sure I get a room with a bed large enough for 2 people. Would that be "Apartamento Standard com 1 cama casal"?

3. What is the differnce between "Tarifa Balcão" (Tariff Balcony) and "Preco Promocional Internet" (internet promotional price)? Ok, the Balcao is a bit more expensive, but what is the difference in what you are reserving? Is is just the difference b/t a room with a balcony and a room without a balcony?

4. Are reservations made through accorhotels like conventional hotel reservations in respect to when the charges are actuall made and in respect to checking out early? I don't exactly know my full itinerary and may be staying all of time in SP or spending some time in SP and then splitting for Rio. So I would prefer to reserve for the full time in SP and then be free to check out early if I decide that I have had enough of SP and want to head to Rio. I know that some internet reservations are pay up front style and that would defeat my intention.

5. Here is the most important question. Please give opinions on which Parthenon or Parthenons to select. I have up to 10 days to play with so I can even split time in > 1 location, and I know SP is large so that might be a good idea. My only requirements are that the apartment have a good size bed, a kitchenette, a gym (or access to a close gym) and be located close to the action (boites, and providers). I understand that many of the indy accompanhantes are located in the Jardins area. Is that a good reason to stay near there? Basically, i want to sample the full menu - outcalls, Bomboa, Millenium, Love Story, Cafe Photo, Antares or some other top end clinicas.

Thanks in advance.

Rovnak
02-06-05, 00:32
The forum is very helpful, but perhaps some of the older posts are no longer searchable? I have searched for parthenon and only a few recent posts were retreived. I recall reading this forum in years past and finding multiple posting with "parthenon" mentioned. I cannot find them now.

So I may be asking questions which have been answered before.

1. Is http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/ a good site to do the reservations through?

2. I want to make sure I get a room with a bed large enough for 2 people. Would that be "Apartamento Standard com 1 cama casal"?

3. What is the differnce between "Tarifa Balcão" (Tariff Balcony) and "Preco Promocional Internet" (internet promotional price)? Ok, the Balcao is a bit more expensive, but what is the difference in what you are reserving? Is is just the difference b/t a room with a balcony and a room without a balcony?

4. Are reservations made through accorhotels like conventional hotel reservations in respect to when the charges are actuall made and in respect to checking out early? I don't exactly know my full itinerary and may be staying all of time in SP or spending some time in SP and then splitting for Rio. So I would prefer to reserve for the full time in SP and then be free to check out early if I decide that I have had enough of SP and want to head to Rio. I know that some internet reservations are pay up front style and that would defeat my intention.

5. Here is the most important question. Please give opinions on which Parthenon or Parthenons to select. I have up to 10 days to play with so I can even split time in > 1 location, and I know SP is large so that might be a good idea. My only requirements are that the apartment have a good size bed, a kitchenette, a gym (or access to a close gym) and be located close to the action (boites, and providers). I understand that many of the indy accompanhantes are located in the Jardins area. Is that a good reason to stay near there? Basically, i want to sample the full menu - outcalls, Bomboa, Millenium, Love Story, Cafe Photo, Antares or some other top end clinicas.

Thanks in advance.

J Wadd
02-07-05, 12:54
Hiya, guys:

I'll be down in S.P. from March 10th on (in and out for about 6 weeks). I'd be psyched to get together with party people up for the adventure. Give me a p.m. and we'll figure something out.

Happy hunting,
JW

Biggie Smalls
02-08-05, 18:51
Not that many of you talk about "My Love" much...but it has moved to the corner right across from Kilt. I believe it will pick up some better girls now in this location. They will probably stay open on Sundays too and give Kilt some competition.

Speaking of Kilt, I'm sorry I just have to say, I hate that place. The attitude of the staff there SUCKS! I personally have boycotted it. They overcharge and I cant remember but having one good experience there or with a girl from there out of maybe the 30 I've been there. Yeah so why did I keep going back, mostly with friends or because there aint much else on Sunday. But you wont see me there no more. Ok. Move on.

When do the clubs pick back up? Right after Carnival or does it take a few weeks?

Biggie

JavMav
02-11-05, 14:20
Enjoyed 2 free days in SP, ending last night.

Once again, colleagues insisting on eating too much beef delayed the real start of my evening. This eliminated Bomboa, as I needed neither additional food nor drink. One day, I'll get there. My friend, Aussie Greg, has damaged most of the garotas from Columbia through Brazil and into Buenos Aires, so I'll be spending most of the time picking up the pieces.

Anyway, for the second time, I walked the length of R. Augusta several times between 11:30pm and 3:00am. I know the relative safety of this has been debated here. I take some safety measures, but I'm sure there is some risk.

The street girls are, by and large, quite appealing. I got up close and persoanl with 15-20. They ranged in looks from 5-8, with at least 25% being near the top end of that scale.

I skipped the seediest places on the West end (Paulista side). There really is an inverse relationship between street marketing and quality. I went in to several last time. Too TJ-ish.

I went to two "Saunas." Both very near and across the street from the Pan American. I found the wait/management staff very friendly at both locations. Both wanted $R10 which would include 2 drinks. Both agreed to let me in with the obligation only to buy one. Again, I was mostly on to waters at this point, due to engorgement from beef and a handful of beers.

The girls in each place were above average. I'd say 6-8's in both. The first place, the one where a well-lit bar in front serves as the welcome area, and the club is on the same level, had 3-4 real beauties. One 5'10" who could really dance, another a blond with a fun-loving attitude, and one with an absolutely fantastic body and a bright smile. So bright, I fear the teeth aren't real. Oh, well, as long as there is no Adam's apple.

The second had fewer girls overall, and only a couple real hot ones.

Prices were similar. Girls start all over the place, but will settle for $R30-$R50. for a half-hour session. You also need to pay around $R20 for the facilities. By the way, don't even think of buying them a drink. $R30 for a non-alcoholic energy drink.

After the blond at the first place kept screwing with the prices for takeout, I decided to blow her off. Great decision, as I ran into "Brenda" at the second establishment. She is an absolute maniac. Among the nicest bodies I've seen in Brazil. She got off on voyeurism, light spanking, 3 fingers plunged into the back door, which she wanted to do with a bright light, enthusiastic everything. CBJ, which suited me fine in that particular environment. For $US28 + my $2 beer, not a bad way to finish the night.

For those of you bored enough to read this far, there is a reward.

Dani at Clinicakin. Oh, my, Gosh....

The most intense and enjoyable GFE to date. Sweet, passionate, down to earth (not my chicas' normal M.O.), horny, accommodating and enthusiastic. Just f-ing awesome. And I'm jaded, having enjoyed 22 new girls in the last 2 1/2 months. She really stands out.

The clinic is just north of the national airport. I took the metro to Judas, then got a cab the rest of the way for around $R15. You could also take the Aeropuerto bus from Paulista all the way.

Anyway, the downside is that she's leaving between March and June. She spends that time in Tenerife where she gobbles up money.

It is a very friendly clinic. I enjoyed it much more than Antares or Zen. I also saw Cleo, who is very popular. The other girls seemed very nice also. $110 Reals/ $44 Dollars for the hour. Only $150 for a double.

Enough for now. Several more posts for here and a handful for BA. I hope the forum stays up!!

Mav'

Bonhead
02-11-05, 17:11
Guys,

I'm in SP now, drop me a PM if you'd like to meet up. I'm here for two weeks, but would like to hang with some of you tonight and go out (first time here, but 3rd time in Brazil--just got back from 5 days of partying in Salvador).

Rovnak
02-13-05, 03:31
I thought this might help some first timers planning to visit SP. I used the very helpful mapping site http://br.mapas.yahoo.com/ to generate these distances and the best part is they give taxi fare estimates so newbies like myself can know what to expect and can keep cabbies honest by telling them ahead what is expected.

These distances were calculated from the Parthenon St. Germain hotel starting point in Jardim Paulista. Other starting points yeild different results of course:

Hope this helps.

Direction West - North West (Pinheiros)

From St. Germain to Bomboa:
Origem Destino
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Capote Valente 222
Distância total percorrida: 2,57 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 10,20 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 12,00

From St. Germain to Donna Caffé
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Henrique Schaumann 140
Distância total percorrida: 2,63 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 10,40 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 12,20

From St. Germain to Jardim America
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to Al. Gabriel Monteiro da Silva 479
Distância total percorrida: 2,33 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 9,70 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 11,30

From St. Germain to Conniff American Bar
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Horácio Lane 59
Distância total percorrida: 4,38 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 14,10 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 17,10

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Direction East - South East

From St. Germain to JA2 (? new Jardim America club?)
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Peixoto Gomide 263
Distância total percorrida: 1,22 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 7,40 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 8,20

From St. Germain to Eu & Elas
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Pires da Mota 494
Distância total percorrida: 4,75 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 14,90 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 18,10

From St. Germain to Millenium
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Cel. Diogo 1199
Distância total percorrida: 6,61 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 18,80 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 23,30

From St. Germain to Connection
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching 1178
Distância total percorrida: 15,33 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 37,30 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 47,70


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Direction South South West

From St. Germain to Novo Romanza
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to Av. Nove de Julho 5836
Distância total percorrida: 3,82 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 12,90 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 15,50

From St. Germain to Cafe Photo
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to Av. Hélio Pellegrino 480
Distância total percorrida: 5,75 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 17,00 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 20,90

From St. Germain to Club W (Itaim Bibi)
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. Alvorada 550
Distância total percorrida: 6,66 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 18,90 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 23,40

From St. Germain to Bahamas
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 to R. dos Chanes 571
Distância total percorrida: 8,15 km
Táxi - preço aproximado para a Bandeira 1 R$ 22,10 e para Bandeira 2 R$ 27,60

Aussie Greg
02-14-05, 02:47
Hi yar Jav,

Great report Jav.

Its great you had a good time en S.P., if I was not buying a hotel in Medellin, Colombia ( Aussie Greg´s Hotel y Backpackers ) I would be spending mas tiempo en S.P.
Where´s your next hunting ground !!
Regards,

Aussie Greg.


Enjoyed 2 free days in SP, ending last night.

Once again, colleagues insisting on eating too much beef delayed the real start of my evening. This eliminated Bomboa, as I needed neither additional food nor drink. One day, I'll get there. My friend, Aussie Greg, has damaged most of the garotas from Columbia through Brazil and into Buenos Aires, so I'll be spending most of the time picking up the pieces.

Anyway, for the second time, I walked the length of R. Augusta several times between 11:30pm and 3:00am. I know the relative safety of this has been debated here. I take some safety measures, but I'm sure there is some risk.

The street girls are, by and large, quite appealing. I got up close and persoanl with 15-20. They ranged in looks from 5-8, with at least 25% being near the top end of that scale.

I skipped the seediest places on the West end (Paulista side). There really is an inverse relationship between street marketing and quality. I went in to several last time. Too TJ-ish.

I went to two "Saunas." Both very near and across the street from the Pan American. I found the wait/management staff very friendly at both locations. Both wanted $R10 which would include 2 drinks. Both agreed to let me in with the obligation only to buy one. Again, I was mostly on to waters at this point, due to engorgement from beef and a handful of beers.

The girls in each place were above average. I'd say 6-8's in both. The first place, the one where a well-lit bar in front serves as the welcome area, and the club is on the same level, had 3-4 real beauties. One 5'10" who could really dance, another a blond with a fun-loving attitude, and one with an absolutely fantastic body and a bright smile. So bright, I fear the teeth aren't real. Oh, well, as long as there is no Adam's apple.

The second had fewer girls overall, and only a couple real hot ones.

Prices were similar. Girls start all over the place, but will settle for $R30-$R50. for a half-hour session. You also need to pay around $R20 for the facilities. By the way, don't even think of buying them a drink. $R30 for a non-alcoholic energy drink.

After the blond at the first place kept screwing with the prices for takeout, I decided to blow her off. Great decision, as I ran into "Brenda" at the second establishment. She is an absolute maniac. Among the nicest bodies I've seen in Brazil. She got off on voyeurism, light spanking, 3 fingers plunged into the back door, which she wanted to do with a bright light, enthusiastic everything. CBJ, which suited me fine in that particular environment. For $US28 + my $2 beer, not a bad way to finish the night.

For those of you bored enough to read this far, there is a reward.

Dani at Clinicakin. Oh, my, Gosh....

The most intense and enjoyable GFE to date. Sweet, passionate, down to earth (not my chicas' normal M.O.), horny, accommodating and enthusiastic. Just f-ing awesome. And I'm jaded, having enjoyed 22 new girls in the last 2 1/2 months. She really stands out.

The clinic is just north of the national airport. I took the metro to Judas, then got a cab the rest of the way for around $R15. You could also take the Aeropuerto bus from Paulista all the way.

Anyway, the downside is that she's leaving between March and June. She spends that time in Tenerife where she gobbles up money.

It is a very friendly clinic. I enjoyed it much more than Antares or Zen. I also saw Cleo, who is very popular. The other girls seemed very nice also. $110 Reals/ $44 Dollars for the hour. Only $150 for a double.

Enough for now. Several more posts for here and a handful for BA. I hope the forum stays up!!

Mav'

Biggie Smalls
02-14-05, 05:32
Well, the new club is cleaner and has more room than the old my love behind the hilton. The service was a tad bit better. They do keep the beer on ice at your table in a bucket wich I like. When I arrived it was about 16 girls to 5 guys at 1030 PM on Sunday. Probably 2 were hot. About midnight it was 24 to 4.....and 3 or 4 were hot. keep in mind this is Sunday.

They have cabines, look like middle eastern type rooms, for making program, which should be cheaper than hotel. Very nice.

I stayed there 3 hours, drank 9 beers, bought her one vodka, and ended up paying 182 to exit.

I prefer to the Kilt which should be burnt to the ground. Boa noite.

Biggie

JavMav
02-14-05, 16:32
Madellin, Columbia sounds good. I know a guy there with a hotel...

Aussie Greg
02-15-05, 02:29
Does he fly frieght !!!

Aussie Greg


Madellin, Columbia sounds good. I know a guy there with a hotel...

Jaimito Cartero
02-15-05, 08:55
Again, I was mostly on to waters at this point, due to engorgement from beef and a handful of beers.



Sounds like you're having fun as usual. I didn't know you *knew* how to drink water though! You learn something new each day.

MoonDog
02-17-05, 20:39
Plans had been made to go out to a swing club with my regular girl in Sao Paulo, but she was unavailable due to reasons that were not found out until the next day. Due to a late arrival, and not knowing just what was in store, the early evening was spent having a few drinks and dinner with some of my co-workers. During the conversation, one of the guys had never been to Bomboa, and for another, it was his first time to SP. The three of us headed to a Churrascaria for dinner, and then to Bomboa.

Bomboa was rocking that night, Thursday, and after giving the guys a tour, we settled in on a table to watch the fun. The vultures started swarming immediately, and it was fun testing the waters. One very attentive blonde got my attention early on, but in a place like this, you want to see everything before you commit. G was fun, had a few extra pounds, but had a great disposition. Positive first impressions are usually right, and I should have stayed with my gut instincts. Throughout the night, more beer was consumed, making it fun, but clouding my judgment. In the end, one co-worker had already gone home, and the other co worker and I left with our companions for the night. The two girls were friends, and mine had a very soft spoken attitude, and what I thought (after too many beers) was a pretty face. D stayed until the next morning at 6:00 a.m., and when looking at photos later, I had to ask myself why? Sexually she was not the best, yet it probably had more to do with the fact that she snuggled close to me during the night, and that was very satisfying in spite of not being one of the numerous trophies that had been walking around the night before.

After sleeping until noon, there was a message from my girl telling me that she was sorry but was unable to make it over during the day. We talked for a while, and that was it. After hanging up, my thoughts turned to G that I had met the night before. Calling her proved to be futile, as we had a hard time communicating as to the address and time, so I called her back and had one of the bellman talk to her and get everything straightened out. After tipping him R$10, I just went back to the room, browsed the internet for a while, and waited. She arrived about an hour later.

Man, did I ever lose out the night before, as out of about 4 hours that she was with me, we never stopped, except for room service. Even that was sexually orientated in one form or another. Yes she was about 10 lbs heavy, but had huge, natural tits, and liked the sex even as much as my girl. She had her own car, and does quite well for herself. I might have to slip into Sao Paulo undetected to see her again, as she is awesome. She wants so go out to dinner, dancing, maybe a swing club as well, and stay all night next time. During all of this time, money was never even discussed, and I just slipped some bills plus her parking fee into her purse, and told her that was for her home and family, not for sex. She gave me a kiss and was on her way. It was an awesome performance, and will definitely be repeated.

Enjoy the life and the photos,

Moondog

Bonhead
02-18-05, 22:18
I prefer all types of mongering scenes, but for me the street scene is always tops. I rented a car over the weekend and decided to drive around the known street-walker haunts. The first was Joquiem Clube -- various streets near and around the Jockey (horse-racing) Club. At about 10PM the scene was pretty lively, BUT it constituted of about 75% transsexuals. This is normally fine by me--I mean to each his own--but here I was having serious problems in telling apart the genetic girls from the t-girls! I quickly came to the conclusion that the less prettier ones with normal bodies were the genetic girls and the outstanding, shapley, full-figured ones were the t-girls. After about an hour of cruising, and tired of all the police in the area along with seeing a few people getting beat by the police at their checkpoints, I decided to head over to Rua Augusta. It was about 11:30pm by now and the street was PACKED. Many street-walkers and almost 90% of them genetic girls--YES! The going rate here was 50-100R + money for the hotel (around 30-50 Reals). I took back a light skinned morena, 19 yo, fernanda (aren't they all?) with a fine body. The deed itself was not GFE, and more sterile than anything else. 15 minutes later we're both back out on the street, on the hunt--her for dollars and me for more pussy.

Next stop is Indianapolis Ave. This is about a 2 mile stretch of road with, again almost 90% t-girls. These t-girls were even better looking than the ones at Jocquiem so I left this area pretty quick as I was getting seriously flustered catching myself looking at these he-she's in a not you-make-me-sick way. Herein ended my semi-adventerous night. More than anything else, I was quite amazed I was able to navigate the streets of SP in a rental with only a hotel map in hand. If you're in town now, drop me a PM.

More to come...

Starfe
02-19-05, 20:05
I am heading back to Sao Paulo this week. One thing I have never done was takeout service from Bomboa. Could you share with us the price? It looks like you went for all night service but I am short time kind of guy.

could you also post the # for Bahamas if you have it.

thanks

starfe

Member #4643
02-20-05, 23:24
Termas Eu E Elas (Rua Pires da Mota, 494 (esq. da Av. Aclimação; telephone: 11. 3209-2756)) is very highly written about on the Portuguese speaking board GPGuia.net. It has its own web site (http://www.sperotico.com.br/eu/index.htm), and claims to be the oldest house in Sao Paulo, with 25 women present between the ages of 18 and 25. It has rooms on site, as well as (I think- my Portuguese is at an intermediate level) a "Sala dos Prazeres" that is designed for public sex and voyeurism.

I cannot quite figure out how this place works, or if it is worth the trouble to find, but it certainly does alot better than my usual haunts in Sao PAulo (Bomboa and Millenium). Does anyone know this place? Is it a Terma Rio style, a swingers club, combination of the two?

It seems like the prrices are about half of Bomboa and Millenium, and I would sorely like to know what the place is like. Now that the board is up and running again, if someone who has been there could post or send me a PM, that would be terrific.

Thanks!

JavMav
02-21-05, 19:48
Forest,

My Portugese is, well, spanish spoken slowly. However, I did by a pretty good translator off the street. It sure seems like a terma, which would be fun since I don't get to Rio anymore. Next trip, I'll give it a shot.

Finding it doesn't seem too challenging. www.maplink.com.br works okay, especially if you have a good tourist map to keep yourself oriented. I can find anything off of Paulista.

The price is $R79 for entrance which includes the buffet and only 2 drinks. Girls reportedly go for $R100 typically, with reports from $R80 to $R150, which includes side B. Included also is use of saunas, etc. Even with the surcharge in additional drinks, I bet you could spend around $250.

Saturdays are reported as below average, Wednesdays best. There is some monthly event called, "DIA DO SACO CHEIO," which translates to day of the full sack. I assume that has something to do with pay day. The last Friday of every month starting at 15:00.

There does seem to be a voyeur room, but it's hard to tell if it is used by guests or contrived talent.

I'm always up for something new. Next trip...

JavMav
02-21-05, 19:52
Sounds like you're having fun as usual. I didn't know you *knew* how to drink water though! You learn something new each day.

Only during the daylight, or when in the form of melted ice dripping off the strippers in D'Palufo...

JavMav
02-21-05, 20:17
Okay,

Never thought I'd make it to Love Story. That's probably why I forced my body to do it.

Long night made short, I went to All Blacks with colleagues for the first time. Another fun atmosphere unmatched in the states. It's like playing the lottery you cannot lose. Try your best with a chica. Sometimes she likes you, sometimes she doesn't. Then, if she does, party all night. At the end, see if she wants to go to your room. Sometimes they say yes, sometimes no. If no, they probably will date again. If not, who cares?

If they say yes, it is still only a 50-50 chance she'll ask for money. Maybe a little higher in my case since I seem to attract this type of girl in every country on the planet.

So, I got a number, but probably screwed up by leaving abruptly. I just can't find the fun in Brazilian courtship. I got in the taxi and told him, "Rua Augusta." He asked where, and I said, "Surprise me."

Half-way there, I knew he was going to take me to a clip joint. So, I told him the Pan American Hotel. I already spent money on my almost-date, and thought it was time to explore/exploit the street scene.

It was a Friday night, and the hookers where in high, high demand. Bumper to bumper mongers and gang members. Fortunately, they all seemed to be pro-American.

The girls were not interested in haggling too much, especially for tln services. The thing about being on a trip in a foreign land is that there is no hurry to finish. Why spend all night out, then settle for a 30-minute rush job?

So, off to relax at my 2 favorite sauna houses. I spent the most time once again at the one across the street from the Pan Am that requires you to go down the stairs. Brenda, my girlfriend from last time, was there and greeted me enthusiastically. She was a rather different person this time, obviously more sober. So, I continued my search.

I ended up with a girl named Kelly. A nice mermaid costume she had on, lounging around topless with her hair falling upon her tits. Her face was only so-so in the dimly-lit room, and downright scary in the light. Fortunately, by then she'd gotten me well off with some of the best service I've ever received anywhere. She has a totally sweet disposition and would do anything your heart desires, but probably isn't making a whole lot of money.

After a few minutes in the after-glow, I realized that LoveStory was not only open, but in mid-morning form! Only thing, I had no more Reals and no idea where LoveStory was. So, I walked down past Kilt, Cocktail, etc., which were now closed. I found a bank machine, and, then, a taxi. I asked him to take me to Love Story. He looked at me like I was the pathetic gringo that I was, and pointed out his back window. I was not 50' from the entrance.

So, I tucked my tail between my legs, paid him a tip for not being an asshole, and walked into Love Story around 6:30.

Holy Crap!

What a party. I somehow expected something different. I didn't expect such a well-lit, trendy dance party. The girls were hot and I think 90% of the clientele was dancing on the floor or around their seats. I met a really cool American who filled in some of the variables for me, and hooked me up with my girl of choice. Can you imagine? Just walk into a bar filled with beautiful young revelers and choose the hottest chick in the joint? Wow.

So, I stayed until the place closed. I negotiated (poorly) some price with the chick, but I was just too tired to be that excited. Upon leaving, the over-dressed bouncers literally tag-teamed me wanting tips. I asked them for what?? Then they tried to direct me to their unmarked taxi. Screw that. I walked down the street 50' and found a normal taxi. I vaguely noticed that my girlfriend was lagging behind a bit, then stopped. She must have assumed I was bailing on her. All of a sudden, I realized what a good idea that was. It was approaching 9am, and I was done. I gave her a tip and went to sleep.

So, I missed my daytime fun in favor of sleep, although I managed a massage to completion around 6pm. What a night, though.

Mav

Genghis Khan
02-21-05, 23:38
During the last couple of weeks and the next couple of weeks, several
interesting things will happen in Sao Paulo.

About a week ago the previous owners of Jardim America left the club
and opened a new club called W.E. at Rua Peixoto Gomide 263. Apparently
this is like an over-the-top W club and the owners are the same as the
old W. The club is in what looks like an old hotel where customers can
either bring the girls to rooms in the club or do a "take out". The quality of
the girls and the beautiful club has been reported to be like nothing seen in
Sao Paulo so far.

New ownership has taken over Jardim America at Alameda Gabriel Monteiro
da Silva 479 and it will be reopened very shortly.

New ownership has also taken over the old W at Rua Alvorada 550. The
localities has housed a disco called Noctum Club for about a year, but the
club has changed ownership and a new "gentlemens club" will open very
shortly still under the name W.

Hub666,
Are you game for a round of these clubs during the period 12.may - 21.may?

GK

Bonhead
02-22-05, 04:14
Ended up at a great place today. It's in the Brooklyn area and is called "Privê do Hector" --> http://www.privedohector.com

Located at 483 R. Bartolomeu Feio in Brooklin. Not more than 3-5 minute drive from the Hyatt in Brooklin.

Cost is only 40R for 30 minutes. I walked in today and there were about 7 other mongers there. The girls all came out one by one and introduce themseleves to you, give you a peck on the cheek and their name. I sat around for about 30 minutes just checking out the talent and watching the girls come back out to introduce themseleves three or four times as new mongers stepped in. One of the girls (who was available) was playing ring master and asking they guys who they wanted (herself included), letting patrons in and having the girls come out to introduce themseleves. She had a really nice personality, and on second thought, I probably would've done good in choosing her.

They will also serve you drinks, albeit a bit pricey for hard liquor. A whiskey is 30R. I ended up settling on a Skoal for 5R.

I stopped by at 8:30pm on a Monday and they must have had about 15 girls by my counts. The quality varied - but in general it was from about a 5-8. I chose one girl whose name I can't remember, but she was a blonde, baby voice, 19 years old, braces, and decent body--6.5 in the face, 7 in body and overall a 7. No kissing (I didn't want to) and I didn't ask for completa programa, but the service was unrushed and she aimed to please. We both took showers prior and she gave me a good massage.

Upon leaving you have to pay--they accept Visa, Master and local debit cards; and of course, cash. Same price cash or charge. As I was walking out being escorted by Hector himself, I remembered that I wasn't charged for the beer and offered to pay--Hector just gave me a smile and said "Boa Noite."

I urge all of you to check this place out. They don't even have a charge if you want to just stop in to see the talent.

Cheers!

MoonDog
02-22-05, 09:06
I am heading back to Sao Paulo this week. One thing I have never done was takeout service from Bomboa. Could you share with us the price? It looks like you went for all night service but I am short time kind of guy.

could you also post the # for Bahamas if you have it.

thanks

starfe

Starfe,

The cost is R$50 for take out or use of the room on premises. Whatever you negotiate with the girl is up to you. So much depends on the rapport between you two.

I do not have the number of Bahamas.

Moondog

MoonDog
02-22-05, 09:11
Glad you made it to Love Story. It is a fun place. Too bad the flights don't arrive a bit earlier. It would be great to go directly from the airport, check into the hotel, drop off the bags, and head to Love Story to bring back a companion for the morning session. :)

Thanks for the report.

Moondog

MoonDog
02-22-05, 09:12
Thanks for the updates. Sounds like some new reports are due from these clubs.

Moondog

Bonhead
02-25-05, 13:21
Stopped off at Bahamas last night. 100R to enter, does not include any beverages. 70R for a cabine upstairs. Overall, the place is very nice. Cost of drinks was around 20R each. The girls were asking 200-500R. Quality overall was good -- avg. looks of about 7.5, but no super-star stunners. Girls take only cash and I didn't ask about the costs of TLN.

JavMav
02-25-05, 15:32
As more than 1/2 of my high-risk activities have occured in the last 90 days, I think I should submit to a thorough screening. I'll probably be in Sao Paulo next week. Does anyone know of any good private doctors or clinics there?

A hot nurse would help, but I'll settle for an ugly sterile one.

Mav'

Starfe
02-26-05, 04:03
I was there last night also about 2.am after going to Photo and Bomboa's. Talk about cover charges adding up. Thankyou sigma.
I like what I saw there and did 2 girls. I am getting to old for these late night runs.

Francel-bel will get you everything you want from the other places for 1/2 the price.

If you want a straight massage try the new Hyatt. I have been going everyday and its first class. Stay away from the website Frensey. I wait down stairs at the Emiliano with the guys at the front desk just to check out the bait and switch. We were on the floor laughing when some swore they were the girl in the pic. What fucking ball these girls have.

Ellass is pretty stable about the photos and the girls show up on time. They have all been very sweet so far.

Starfe

JavMav
02-26-05, 18:32
Regarding the price at Francebel, I'm having trouble figuring out what to expect. It seems like prices are added on to each other, leading to $R300-$R400 by the time you're finished. Anyone care to explain me?

Still looking for a good doctor or clinic with minimal waiting to get checked out.

Mav'

Starfe
02-26-05, 21:24
$R120 or $44 u.s. (2.71 ) and thats for the biggest room . It could be cheaper.

$$R50 more gets you everything else and i know I pay more then most.

total = $R 170

For those with money to burn try the Fasano hotel . I tried it the last 2 night and its wonderful.

Genghis Khan
02-26-05, 21:48
Starfe,

Is the Fasano hotel girlfriendly?

GK

Starfe
02-27-05, 02:57
YES!!! Just ask for Leo.

The Hyatt is also and I went to see the Hilton in morumbi ( spelling ) and they are also very girl friendly. I was to shy to ask about " the book ".

If you like Japanese food the Hyatt has 1 of the best I have ever eaten at. At least in this part of the world. The Sukiyaki was out of this world. Who would have thunk it.
By the way Bomboa's was great tonight at 7pm. I think I was the only guy there with about 20 girls working. Off to Photo's

The taxis are getting expensive.

Starfe

Rovnak
02-27-05, 09:37
Starfe,

Please clarify. Is the 50R, that you cite, the "manual massage" fee or the "complete massage" fee?

I was under the impression that at francebel, you had to cough up 3 payments:

Room - 120R
Nominal massage fee - 50R
Negotiated tip for FS "presentinho" - ? (i thought guys were paying 100R or more for this) bringing total to 270 or more. At least that is what I am reading on the gpguia review site.

http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=169&start=180

Starfe
03-01-05, 04:08
Room - 120R
Nominal massage fee - 50R

thats all it took to get laid & I'm the guy that always over pays.

Starfe

J Wadd
03-05-05, 01:23
Heya, guys:

I should be touching down in S.P. on the 10th (assuming I can make my tight layover in Chicago). I'll be staying in/around Pr. Republica and would be psyched for a buddy or two. I know the city really well and plan to go after my personal record of 20-or-so girls in a week.

Gimme a shout out,
JWadd

Roebuck
03-05-05, 17:22
Effective 28 Feb Bomboa raised it's prices to R60 for room on site. R100 exit fee for the girl. So now we are R120 for entry includes, 6 beers, or 4 mixed or 3 top shelf whiskey, plus R100 for the exit, and the girls are starting to ask for more. Quality of girls seems to be declining, still very good. Tues-Thurs are packed. If you need english assist ask for Wonderly, Head waiter type of guy very helpful.

Happy Hunting

Starfe
03-06-05, 01:57
Bomboa has raised there prices . i picked 2 girls last week and paid them both 200r each + 150R for the room for 1 hour. I always overpay it seems. I think I had only water that night also.

The girls were outstanding together. I find the best time to get there is around 6 or 7 pm at the latest because it becomes a zoo after 10pm.
Wonderly was a pleasure to deal with. thanks for reminding me of that Roebuck.

Even though Bahamas was little more expensive I like the choices better there then Bomboa's. I went there at 1am and had a great time deciding who to jump. I think the entrace fee with the room was 160R. Its starting to get expensive when you add in the taxis but i really love this town. For those not caring about hotel prices you might want to look at the Hyatt. Not the greatest location but a 10 minute cabride to anywhere.

Starfe

MoonDog
03-06-05, 10:04
Does Bomboa still have the dinner buffet? Last time I was there I did not notice it. Maybe I got there too late.

Moondog

Rovnak
03-06-05, 10:25
Does anyone have any first hand experience with this The Palms mp?

http://www.thepalms.com.br/massagistas.html

The girls pictured are quite a collection of beauties if the pix are representative. I was curious about the pricing structure, as none is listed. I suspect this falls into the category of house fee plus negotiated tip with lady, but am looking for the guideilnes.

BTW - a lot of the MP places list a variety of massages with slightly different prices for each. Does it matter which "type" of massage one pays for if one is not really interested in the massage at all?

I'm not referring to thos places which indicate in their massage list that one massage type is "manual relaxation" and the other is "complete relaxation". I understand those to be code for hj and fs. Those are typically the places where no tipping is required.

I'm specifically asking whether the "type" of massage matters in the places where tipping IS required. Since that is a negotiated fee. Does the type of massage you request indicate your interest in negotiating extras? Or are the same extras available regardless of the type of massage you nominally pay for?

John Jab
03-06-05, 16:34
is there a web page with photos of the therapists at francebel? i couldnt find it at their web site ( www.francebel.com.br )

if so a link would be appreciated ..

thanks in advance!

Starfe
03-06-05, 17:31
I don't think I saw it there on my 7pm visit. I could be mistaken.

Tommy America
03-06-05, 22:58
Has anyone tried the Movie Cafe recently? I was in SP back in January and stopped in several times. It was a lot of fun --- kind of like Donna Caffe in years gone by. Most of the staff (manager, florr manager/mistress, doormen) are from Donna Caffe as are many of the girls. Live music, reasonable drinks and prices...inside of club is not quite as nice as Donna is, but everything else is great.

Tommy America
03-06-05, 23:00
Has anyone tried the Movie Cafe recently? I was in SP back in January and stopped in several times. It was a lot of fun --- kind of like Donna Caffe in years gone by. Most of the staff (manager, floor manager/mistress, doormen) are from Donna Caffe as are many of the girls. Live music, reasonable drinks and prices...inside of club is not quite as nice as Donna is, but everything else is great.

J Wadd
03-07-05, 11:44
Hiya, guys:

Check out my posts in the Photo Gallery section.

Enjoy,
JW

QuackUp
03-08-05, 10:42
J wadd,

Thanks for the photo's. They were awesome! I can't wait until the end of August when I will be visiting both Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

Q

Ecanto
03-08-05, 22:19
I should arrive in SP on March 18 - I take it you will have already left? Or not?

In any case, thanks for all the photos. I have a question though - since the Hilton is shut (the one in centro) what is your replacement?


Heya, guys:

I should be touching down in S.P. on the 10th (assuming I can make my tight layover in Chicago). I'll be staying in/around Pr. Republica and would be psyched for a buddy or two. I know the city really well and plan to go after my personal record of 20-or-so girls in a week.

Gimme a shout out,
JWadd

J Wadd
03-09-05, 11:31
...That's too bad about the Hilton. Good rallying-point.

The "Mercure Sao Paulo Downtown" (search for it on the Accor hotel chain site) is just around the corner (literally) and is business-adequate.

I've never stayed there, but I recommended it to another poster and he said it was good. Not only is it girl friendly, but I think I remember him saying that they never charged him a guest fee. Dunno for sure.

I stay in this area basically because it's central and cheap. It's S.P.'s grittier side, but not that bad. I travel for months at a time -- so I try to keep hotels in-and-around 30USD/night when I can.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

JavMav
03-09-05, 20:29
As I posted, I did get to try Love Story my last trip. Did you get most of the girls from you pic's directly from the various clubs, or at Love Story after hours?

I found the atmosphere at Love Story amazing. Like college kids at a disco in Cancun for the first time. But, it was unbelievably loud. Plus EVERYBODY dances. How in the world do you negotiate in there?

For semi-pro's (more pro- than semi-), are there any better places than O'Malley's or All Blacks, in your (or other's) opinion(s)?

Personally, you can have O'Malleys. All Blacks was fun, but it would seem there are alternatives.

Mav'

Pimpolho
03-10-05, 00:11
...
Personally, you can have O'Malleys...Last but not least I like to have a drink in O’Malleys because one of the waitresses there is my lover.

The *****s there are not after my fancy. Too old and too ugly but it seems a lot of the Gringos are crazy about them because all of the girls speak a reasonable English.

Is one of you a regular customer in O’Malleys?

Aussie Greg
03-10-05, 14:53
Gidday,

The english speaking guy named Vanderley at Bamboa is a great guy, if any you guys need help their ask for him, he organised my girlfriend to jump in the pool with me so she could give me a headjob while every body else was watching the football, again he is a great guy.

Aussie Greg

Member #4643
03-11-05, 01:55
These hotels are EXTREMELY girl friendly, but they charge 35 reals each time you bring a girl to your room. I always pay cash to avoid the charge showing up on my bill (which the company pays for). The management always sends the girls up from the lobbty accompanied by a porter, and I typically pay him the 35 reals plus a 5 reals tip.

I have never bothered to see if they will waive this fee if you book a double room (many businessmen might prefer to do manage the garota situation this way). I would be interested in knowing this, as my company would pay for double room without questioning me, but would never pay for a guest fee.

If you go to the Mercure in Jardins and sit in the lobby watching the traffic, you will see MANY gorgeous women sign in at the front desk. This is a particularly amusing way to pass the time in SP.

Joe Boy
03-11-05, 03:44
I know this is probably a strange thing to ask, but are there Japanese/Russian girls in Sao Paulo? I know Sao Paulo has a big Japanese area.

Thanks

Joe Boy

Aussie Greg
03-11-05, 15:18
Forest,

I stayed at the Mercure in Jardins but I didnt sit in the lobby watching the gorgeous woman sign in, I was in my room waiting for them to arrive.

When were you their, maybe you were seeing all my girlfriends !!!

Regards,

Aussie Greg.


I was waiting in the rooms for t
These hotels are EXTREMELY girl friendly, but they charge 35 reals each time you bring a girl to your room. I always pay cash to avoid the charge showing up on my bill (which the company pays for). The management always sends the girls up from the lobbty accompanied by a porter, and I typically pay him the 35 reals plus a 5 reals tip.

I have never bothered to see if they will waive this fee if you book a double room (many businessmen might prefer to do manage the garota situation this way). I would be interested in knowing this, as my company would pay for double room without questioning me, but would never pay for a guest fee.

If you go to the Mercure in Jardins and sit in the lobby watching the traffic, you will see MANY gorgeous women sign in at the front desk. This is a particularly amusing way to pass the time in SP.

J Wadd
03-11-05, 20:29
Well brothers, day one of S.P. was a little embarrassing. Got in late, missed Nomad at Kilt and paid too much for b.s. I hooked up with two girls (one at Kilt and one at Vagao Plaza), both for 200R (why didn´t I negotiate??) -- but got fuckin´shelled by sundry costs (drinks, etc.). Fucking amateur! Each bill was just under 200R in exit fees! Sigh. The current shit exchange rate doesn´t help, either.

Still, this place is absolutely unbelievable. The quality of women is so good here. There must of been about 50 7s & 8s at Kilt.

Also, my favorite little club My Love has moved to across the street from Kilt. Did not check it out.

As it is, I dropped around 300USD (150 of it was drink/etc. b.s.) last night for two girls (the sex, at least, was good). Argh! It´s been a year and a half since I´ve been here -- maybe I can console myself with that.

No pics.

Jav Man: Heya, bro -- only the last Photo girl was taken out of Love Story. All others were from various clubs around S.P.

Gonna turn this around!
JW

Member #4643
03-12-05, 00:30
Aussie: those were your garotas checking in? If so, you have great taste.

I have to admit that when the prostate gets overworked, I like to amuse myself by simply checking out the ladies. I am over the half century mark, and occasionally, I cannot make the machinery shoot (thanks to Viagra, it always gets hard, however). Checking out sex workers is always fun for me, espcially when I am incapable for engaging them! I am good for about two sessions per day. After two or three days, I typically need a rest, but I try to never give in to the temptation to rest.

Getting old sucks, but getting sucked never gets old.

Pluto2
03-12-05, 05:59
Doing some homework for my trip:

Clínica Antares - Pç da Árvore
Av. Bosque da Saúde, 268
Tel: 578-9389 / 5078-8579
www.clinicaantares.com.br
R$ 80,00 -120,00

Discount cupons Antares:
Site Malícia: www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/f.../cupom.htm
Site SexDreams: www.sexdreams.com.br/promocoes/cupom_antares.html

Clinica Brooklin
Rua Joaquim Guarani 121 - Brooklin - SP/SP
Fone 5181-8000 / 5183-4555 / 5183-8764
site : http://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br
Preço : 110 Reais , massagem com programa.

Clinica Cherry
Rua Pascal, 2019 - Aeroporto
(near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport)
Phone: (11) 5041-2119 / 5044-5696
http://www.clinicacherry.com.br
1h00: R$ 110.00 – 1h 160,00

Bermuda (good reviews)
Rua Ana Alvim 214 – Brooklin
Tel. (11) 5182 6117
http://www.clinicabermudas.com.br/
1h00 R80,00-130,00


Clínica Quatro Estações (Four Seasons, good reviews++)
Rua Loefgreen, 1438 - Vila Mariana
Metrô Santa Cruz.
Tel (11) 5083 4100
www.quatroestacoesvip.com.br
½ h00 complete 100,00 1h00 complete 140,00

Clínica Berrini (good reviews ++)
Avenida Roque Petroni Jr., 245
Entre os bairros de Campo Belo e Brooklin Paulista
Telefone: 5182-1300
http://www.berrinimassagem.com.br
½ h00 80,00 – 1h00 120,00 complete

Clinica Kin - Campo Belo (lots of good reviews)
Rua Visconde de Aguiar Toledo, 358 - Campo Belo
(near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport)
T:5533-4722
http://www.clinicakin.com.br/
1h00 80-90R basic, full service 150R

Pluto2
03-12-05, 07:02
CLÍNICA ANEESH (30ish and black girls, photos not bad, aggressive pricing)
DIREÇÃO: JAQUELINE( EX-TENTAÇÃO)
Rua Tavares Bastos, 543- Pompéia
(travessa da Av. Pompéia, próximo ao Hospital )
TEL: 3673-0480
www.aneesh.com.br
½ hr 50R 1hr 70 complete

Shangri-la
Av Pompeia, 1062 - SP/SP
Close to hospital Sao Camilo
Fone: 3873-7739
Site: http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/
1 hr 100R full service

Malicia web site (lots of photos of clinic girls and their work places)
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/freeclinics/03048/

CLINICA Chantily – (good reviews)
Rua Sapoti, nº 41 - Campo Belo
Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
Fone: 5041-7740
http://www.clinicachantilly.com.br/
½ hr 60R, 1hr 90R full service

Clínica Dra. Oyama (staff on site looks like 7-10s and thin, all positive reviews))
Rua do Otonis, 694
Vila Clementino
Near Hospital Sao Paulo
Telefones: 5572-2498 e 5572-7286
Site: http://www.dra-oyama.com.br
1 hr 120-130R full service, check the price my P is not very good.
Everyone is doing Vanessa Greek

CLÍNICA NEW TIME (good reviews)
Rua Nilo,395,Paraíso
In front of Tênis Clube Paulista and close to Hospital Santa Joana)
Tel (11) 287-9593
½ hr 80R, 1hr 100R full service, 12 -17:00 hrs, prices go up 20R later
Daniela (dani?) is a favorite of the customers

Clínica Abbóbora
Av. Miruna, 644 • Moema •
Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
(11) 5092-5787 / 5092-4168
www.abbobora.com.br
1 hr full service 120R

Pluto2
03-13-05, 06:33
Some useful web sites

Urban Metros World Wide ( English)
Sao Paulo Metro Maps and Information
Site lists all Urban Metros World Wide
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/spau/sao-paulo.htm


City of Sao Paulo Official Metro (site in Port. And English)
Great maps and info.
http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ingles/index.asp

MapLink
http://maplink.uol.com.br/index.asp
Great mapping software, can show location and driving directions


Malicia web site (lots of photos of clinic girls and their work places)
http://www.malicia.com.br
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/


Escorts photos and numbers
www.pimp.com.br


Bars and Strip Clubs

Café Photo
Av. Hélio Pellegrino, 480 -
São Paulo - Brasil -
Tel.: +55-11-3849.2333 –
E-mail: info@cafephoto.com.br
Entrance fee R$160 includes 4 drinks.
http://www.cafephoto.com.br/
This is an expensive bar-restaurant where pros can be met
Dress nicely
Girls want 200-300R for their services, take out only

Bomboa American Bar - Pinheiros
R. Capote Valente, 222 SP/SP
Pinheiros - SP - F.
Tel (11) 3064-6494/3063-2944
http://www.bomboa.com.br/
Another popular bar to meet pros
80 de consumação, 50 do quarto e 150 do programa
This place has a pool, do you bring a swimsuit? Or buff?
Horário: 12:00h às 04:00h
Sábados das 12:00h às 21:00h

Orion Theater Strip club
Rua Aurora, 753 - Centro –
São Paulo/SP - Brasil –
Tel: (11) 221•3948
www.teatroorion.com.br
Pros working the club

Connection Night Club Strip Club
Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1.178 –
Jardim Anália Franco / Tatuapé
Tel: (11) 6674-4702
connectionnightclub@terra.com.br
http://www.connectionvip.com.br
200R for girls take out only

Kilt Shows Strip Club
R. Nestor Pestana, 266
Tel: 258 7207
http://www.kiltshows.com.br
30R entrance fee, girls 200R to go
This place gets good reviews

Clinicas

Clínica Antares - Pç da Árvore
Av. Bosque da Saúde, 268
Tel: 578-9389 / 5078-8579
www.clinicaantares.com.br
R$ 80,00 -120,00

Discount cupons Antares:
Site Malícia: www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/f.../cupom.htm
Site SexDreams: www.sexdreams.com.br/promocoes/cupom_antares.html


Clinica Brooklin
Rua Joaquim Guarani 121 - Brooklin - SP/SP
Fone 5181-8000 / 5183-4555 / 5183-8764
site : http://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br
Preço : 110 Reais , massagem com programa.


Clinica Cherry
Rua Pascal, 2019 - Aeroporto
(near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport)
Phone: (11) 5041-2119 / 5044-5696
http://www.clinicacherry.com.br
1h00: R$ 110.00 – 1h 160,00

Bermuda (good reviews)
Rua Ana Alvim 214 – Brooklin
Tel. (11) 5182 6117
http://www.clinicabermudas.com.br/
1h00 R80,00-130,00


Clínica Quatro Estações (Four Seasons, good reviews++)
Rua Loefgreen, 1438 - Vila Mariana
Metrô Santa Cruz.
Tel (11) 5083 4100
www.quatroestacoesvip.com.br
½ h00 complete 100,00 1h00 complete 140,00

Clínica Berrini (good reviews ++)
Avenida Roque Petroni Jr., 245
Entre os bairros de Campo Belo e Brooklin Paulista
Telefone: 5182-1300
http://www.berrinimassagem.com.br
½ h00 80,00 – 1h00 120,00 complete

Clinica Kin - Campo Belo (lots of good reviews)
Rua Visconde de Aguiar Toledo, 358 - Campo Belo
(near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport)
T:5533-4722
http://www.clinicakin.com.br/
1h00 80-90R basic, full service 150R


CLÍNICA ANEESH (30ish and black girls, photos not bad, aggressive pricing)
DIREÇÃO: JAQUELINE( EX-TENTAÇÃO)
Rua Tavares Bastos, 543- Pompéia
(travessa da Av. Pompéia, próximo ao Hospital )
TEL: 3673-0480
www.aneesh.com.br
½ hr 50R 1hr 70 complete

Shangri-la
Av Pompeia, 1062 - SP/SP
Close to hospital Sao Camilo
Fone: 3873-7739
Site: http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/
1 hr 100R full service



CLINICA Chantily – (good reviews)
Rua Sapoti, nº 41 - Campo Belo
Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
Fone: 5041-7740
http://www.clinicachantilly.com.br/
½ hr 60R, 1hr 90R full service

Clínica Dra. Oyama (staff on site looks like 7-10s and thin, all positive reviews))
Rua do Otonis, 694
Vila Clementino
Near Hospital Sao Paulo
Telefones: 5572-2498 e 5572-7286
Site: http://www.dra-oyama.com.br
1 hr 120-130R full service, check the price my P is not very good.
Everyone is doing Vanessa Greek

CLÍNICA NEW TIME (good reviews)
Rua Nilo,395,Paraíso
In front of Tênis Clube Paulista and close to Hospital Santa Joana)
Tel (11) 287-9593
½ hr 80R, 1hr 100R full service, 12 -17:00 hrs, prices go up 20R later
Daniela (dani?) is a favorite of the customers

Clínica Abbóbora
Av. Miruna, 644 • Moema •
Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
(11) 5092-5787 / 5092-4168
www.abbobora.com.br
1 hr full service 120R

Ching Ling
Rua Dr. Jesuíno Maciel, 1.755 - Campo Belo
Tel (11) 5093 6952
http://www.chingling.com.br/
M-F 11-22hr Sat 12-20hr
Prices? Call
Pics of Cindy are impressive, but no Greek


Clinica Sensualite
R. Aurélia, 1526 - Lapa
Tel: (11) 3801-1450
No web site seen
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80R full service, cash price
This place appears to be new and busy, good reviews

CLÍNICA BANGKOK
Praça Monteiro dos Santos, 65
Vila Mariana
tel.: 5573-4691
Call, this place may be out of business

Clínica The Palms - Vila Olímpia (this is the high-end)
Rua Gomes de Carvalho 416 - V.Olimpia
Midway between Brooklin & Jardines
Major cross street Marginal Pinheiros & Av. Dos Bandeirantes
tel. 11 3044 0366
e-mail thepalms@thepalms.com.br
http://www.thepalms.com.br/ (Site in English and Port)
M-F 11-23 hr, Sat 11-21:30 hr
Staff looks great 8-10s in web photos, can reserve in advance.
Prices look like 100R for house, 200-250R for the girl,
call in advance for prices it appears they speak English.
Recommended to get basic massage + full service to control cost.




CLÍNICA WASHI
Rua Doutor José Queirós Aranha, 148
Vila Mariana
Close to: estação Ana Rosa
Telefone: 5579-8587
½ hr 70R, 1 hr 100R full service
No web site, reviews are good.
Looks like staff is 8-10 girls probably not all at once

SAUNA HOUSE - Bela Vista
Avenida Brigadeiro Luís Antônio, 1.278
Tels.: 288-1818 e 288-9856
Estacionamento com manobrista
Appear to offer outcall
Hours 13:00 til 03:00 M-F, close at 02:00 on Saturday
Site: http://www.saunahouse.com.br still under construction, so info is minimal
Drink plus girl 245R, full service
Looks like staff is 6-8 girls, reviews are positive

Mansão 138 Jardim
Rua Espérico, 138 - Jardim do Mar
São Bernardo do Campo
Cross street: Av Kennedy & Praca Kenzo Uemura
011 4125-3836 4121-1413
www.mansaoelite.com.br
Massage HJ 80R 1 hr, Full service 130R 1 hr
Facility looks nice in web site 8 girls +

MILLENIUM - Jardim
Rua Baffin, 166 –
Jardim do mar - São Bernardo do Campo - SP
Tel: 11-4121-2841
1 hr full service 90R

My Way Itiam Bibi
Rua Leopoldo Couto Magalhães Jr. n. 777
Cross Street: Brig Faria Lima
Tel: 11-3078-3642 11-3078-6074
www.clinicamyway.com.br (Eng and Port web site)
15 girls, look thin, young and great in pics 8s & 10s
Looks like 1 hr is 100R plus tip, 50 oral, 100R vag. 250R is a typical price
Hours 12:00 to 22:00 M-F, Sat 12-20hrs


La Fleur de Jour
Rua Baronesa de Bela Vista, 471
Vila Congonhas
Tel: 5561-0126 / 5533-5030
Giovana, Theis and Desise for Greek
Site: http://www.lafleurdejour.com.br
10+ girls 6-8 Vanessa and Rosianne look good in pics
Looks like 150R full service 1hr, call

Clínica Zen - Vila Mariana
Endereço: Conselheiro Rodrigues Alves, 516 –
Close to Metro Ana Rosa
Telefone: 3486-8634
Site: www.clinicazen.com.br
100R full service 1 hr

Relaxe sem stress
Rua Eng° Figueiredo, 15 (trav. R. Bagé)
Tel: 11-5575-8847 e 5574-0983
No web site, looks like manual only, call

Clinica Femenna
Rua Guapiacu 45
Cross street: Av Jose Maria Whitaker
Tel: 11-5581-0303
www.clinicafemenna.com.br
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80 full service
Hours 10-21hrs M-F, Sat 10-20hrs
10+ girls on staff 5-7s

Clínica Francebel Campo Belo
Rua Pascal, 1634
Campo Belo
Telefone: 5533-6955
This place is expensive and mostly legit
250R massage plus extras if lucky
Site: http://www.francebel.com.br

Clinica Diva
Rua Antônio de Castro Mendonça Furtado, 180
Close to: Raposo Tavares.
Tel: 3726-7122
Hours: 11-?
150 hr full service
10-12 girls on staff


Love Massage Jardim do Mar
Rua José Monteiro Filho, 85 –
Jardim do Mar – São Bernardo do Campo – SP
Tel: 4332-5304
½ hr 60R, 1 hr 90R full service, 2 girls 130R
3-5 girls per shift

Starfe
03-13-05, 15:43
We need this as a separate thread so it does not get lost over time. You really are doing a great service to all who visit S.P. . I will pm Jackson regarding this matter.

thanks so much,

Starfe

Starfe
03-13-05, 15:49
Looks like a total bait and switch. Been there done that. I would take that off unless you really have booked girls from there. Just my thoughts.

This site has been pretty reputable compared to the other I have used:

http://www.ellass.com.br/principal.asp

starfe

Pluto2
03-13-05, 16:29
Some useful web sites

Urban Metros World Wide ( English)
Sao Paulo Metro Maps and Information
Site lists all Urban Metros World Wide
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/spau/sao-paulo.htm

City of Sao Paulo Official Metro (site in Port. And English)
Great maps and info.
http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ingles/index.asp

MapLink
http://maplink.uol.com.br/index.asp Great mapping software, can show location and driving directions

More Maps
www.apontador.com.br
http://mapas.terra.com.br/mapas/
www.guiamais.com.br


Good Places to stay from JWADD post
Two good choices are the downtown Hilton (the one near pr. Republica) and the Mercure Hotel (of the Accor chain) http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/index.html
Both are business hotels in the 30-75 USD/night range.

Both are girl friendly and each one is basically the left and right neighbor of Love Story -- the epicenter of sex in S.P. (more or less). This area is also my favorite part of S.P. -- everything’s in walking distance (and the "mugging level" around here isn't too bad) w/ plenty of restaurants/shops around.

A street I prefer is Rua Augusta in Jardins, more down to earth shops, cafes etc


Malicia web site (lots of photos of clinic girls and their work places)
http://www.malicia.com.br
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/

Escorts photos and numbers

From STARFE post, recommended escort site
http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=347

From STARFE post, recommended escort site, photos are phenomenal on this site http://www.mclass.com.br/scripts/mclass.dll/resp

www.sexdreams.com.br

Port. Language site with lots of info on all types of activities and cities
http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/


Bars and Strip Clubs

Café Photo
Av. Hélio Pellegrino, 480 -
São Paulo - Brasil -
Tel.: +55-11-3849.2333 –
E-mail: info@cafephoto.com.br
Entrance fee R$160 includes 4 drinks.
http://www.cafephoto.com.br/
This is an expensive bar-restaurant where pros can be met
Dress nicely
Girls want 200-300R for their services, take out only

Bomboa American Bar - Pinheiros
R. Capote Valente, 222 SP/SP
Pinheiros - SP - F.
Tel (11) 3064-6494/3063-2944
http://www.bomboa.com.br/
Another popular bar to meet pros
80 de consumação, 50 do quarto e 150 do programa
This place has a pool, do you bring a swimsuit? Or buff?
Horário: 12:00h às 04:00h
Sábados das 12:00h às 21:00h

Orion Theater Strip club
Rua Aurora, 753 - Centro –
São Paulo/SP - Brasil –
Tel: (11) 221•3948
www.teatroorion.com.br
Pros working the club

Connection Night Club Strip Club
Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1.178 –
Jardim Anália Franco / Tatuapé
Tel: (11) 6674-4702
connectionnightclub@terra.com.br
http://www.connectionvip.com.br
200R for girls in house
COUPE66 reviewed club on WSG

Kilt Shows Strip Club
R. Nestor Pestana, 266
Tel: 258 7207
http://www.kiltshows.com.br
30R entrance fee, girls 200R to go
This place gets good reviews


Appartments/ Privates

There are probably 200+ of these places, this is a sample of the ones visited by people that use their computers.

R. Pitangueiras 125 - Pç da Árvore
TEL: 11-578-6877
Price 20R ½ hr, 40R FS 1 hr
Simone is the Greek champion
Reviews of the girls are pretty good

Prive do Hector
Rua Bartolomeu Feio, 483
Brooklin - São Paulo - SP
Fones: (11) 5044-2872 / 5041-0249
http://www.privedohector.com
½ hr 40R, 1 hr 60R FS
12 girls on shift, most do greek
This place has a large and loyal following

R. Gabriel Piza, 515 - Santana
½ hr 40R, 1 hr 80R FS
Loyal following

R. Barão de Limeira, 134 (Prédio só de Privês) - St. Cecília
prox ao metro Republica)
8 story building refered to in other posts?
15R for 15 min?
This place is popular

Rua dos Otonis, 541
T:5081-7465
½ hr 30R, 1 hr 60 FS
Priscila for greek very popular



Clinicas

Clínica Antares - Pç da Árvore
Av. Bosque da Saúde, 268
Tel: 578-9389 / 5078-8579
www.clinicaantares.com.br
R$ 80,00 -120,00

Discount cupons Antares:
Site Malícia: www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/f.../cupom.htm
Site SexDreams: www.sexdreams.com.br/promocoes/cupom_antares.html


Clinica Brooklin
Rua Joaquim Guarani 121 - Brooklin - SP/SP
Fone 5181-8000 / 5183-4555 / 5183-8764
http://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br
Preço : 110 Reais , massagem com programa.


Clinica Cherry
Rua Pascal, 2019 - Aeroporto
near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport
Tel: (11) 5041-2119 / 5044-5696
http://www.clinicacherry.com.br
1h00: R$ 110.00 – 1h 160,00

Bermuda (good reviews)
Rua Ana Alvim 214 – Brooklin
Tel. (11) 5182 6117
http://www.clinicabermudas.com.br/
1h00 R80,00-130,00


Clínica Quatro Estações (Four Seasons, good reviews++)
Rua Loefgreen, 1438 - Vila Mariana
Metrô Santa Cruz.
Tel (11) 5083 4100
www.quatroestacoesvip.com.br
½ h00 complete 100,00 1h00 complete 140,00

Clínica Berrini (good reviews ++)
Avenida Roque Petroni Jr., 245
Entre os bairros de Campo Belo e Brooklin Paulista
Tel: 5182-1300
http://www.berrinimassagem.com.br
½ h00 80,00 – 1h00 120,00 complete

Clinica Kin - Campo Belo (lots of good reviews)
Rua Visconde de Aguiar Toledo, 358 - Campo Belo
near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport
Tel: 11-5533-4722
http://www.clinicakin.com.br/
1h00 80-90R basic, full service 150R


CLÍNICA ANEESH (30ish and black girls, photos not bad, aggressive pricing)
DIREÇÃO: JAQUELINE( EX-TENTAÇÃO)
Rua Tavares Bastos, 543- Pompéia
(travessa da Av. Pompéia, próximo ao Hospital )
TEL: 3673-0480
www.aneesh.com.br
½ hr 50R 1hr 70 complete

Shangri-la
Av Pompeia, 1062 - SP/SP
Close to hospital Sao Camilo
Tel: 3873-7739
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/
1 hr 100R full service



CLINICA Chantily – (good reviews)
Rua Sapoti, nº 41 - Campo Belo
Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
Tel: 11-5041-7740
http://www.clinicachantilly.com.br/
½ hr 60R, 1hr 90R full service

Clínica Dra. Oyama (staff on site looks like 7-10s and thin, all positive reviews))
Rua do Otonis, 694
Vila Clementino
Near Hospital Sao Paulo
Tel: 11-5572-2498 e 5572-7286
http://www.dra-oyama.com.br
1 hr 120-130R full service, check the price my P is not very good.
Everyone is doing Vanessa Greek

CLÍNICA NEW TIME (good reviews)
Rua Nilo,395,Paraíso
In front of Tênis Clube Paulista and close to Hospital Santa Joana
Tel (11) 287-9593
½ hr 80R, 1hr 100R full service, 12 -17:00 hrs, prices go up 20R later
Daniela (dani?) is a favorite of the customers

Clínica Abbóbora
Av. Miruna, 644 • Moema •
Close to: Aeroporto de Congonhas
Tel: (11) 5092-5787 / 5092-4168
www.abbobora.com.br
1 hr full service 120R

Ching Ling
Rua Dr. Jesuíno Maciel, 1.755 - Campo Belo
Tel (11) 5093 6952
http://www.chingling.com.br/
M-F 11-22hr Sat 12-20hr
Prices? Call
Pics of Cindy are impressive, but no Greek


Clinica Sensualite
R. Aurélia, 1526 - Lapa
Tel: (11) 3801-1450
No web site seen
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80R full service, cash price
This place appears to be new and busy, good reviews

CLÍNICA BANGKOK
Praça Monteiro dos Santos, 65
Vila Mariana
tel.: 5573-4691
Call, this place may be out of business

Clínica The Palms - Vila Olímpia (this is the high-end)
Rua Gomes de Carvalho 416 - V.Olimpia
Midway between Brooklin & Jardines
Major cross street Marginal Pinheiros & Av. Dos Bandeirantes
tel. 11 3044 0366
e-mail thepalms@thepalms.com.br
http://www.thepalms.com.br/ (Site in English and Port)
M-F 11-23 hr, Sat 11-21:30 hr
Staff looks great 8-10s in web photos, can reserve in advance.
Prices look like 100R for house, 200-250R for the girl,
call in advance for prices it appears they speak English.
Recommended to get basic massage + full service to control cost.




CLÍNICA WASHI
Rua Doutor José Queirós Aranha, 148
Vila Mariana
Close to: estação Ana Rosa
Tel: 11- 5579-8587
½ hr 70R, 1 hr 100R full service
No web site, reviews are good.
Looks like staff is 8-10 girls probably not all at once

SAUNA HOUSE - Bela Vista
Avenida Brigadeiro Luís Antônio, 1.278
Tel: 11-288-1818 e 288-9856
Estacionamento com manobrista
Appear to offer outcall
Hours 13:00 til 03:00 M-F, close at 02:00 on Saturday
http://www.saunahouse.com.br still under construction, so info is minimal
Drink plus girl 245R, full service
Looks like staff is 6-8 girls, reviews are positive

Mansão 138 Jardim
Rua Espérico, 138 - Jardim do Mar
São Bernardo do Campo
Cross street: Av Kennedy & Praca Kenzo Uemura
011 4125-3836 4121-1413
www.mansaoelite.com.br
Massage HJ 80R 1 hr, Full service 130R 1 hr
Facility looks nice in web site 8 girls +

MILLENIUM - Jardim
Rua Baffin, 166 –
Jardim do mar - São Bernardo do Campo - SP
Tel: 11-4121-2841
1 hr full service 90R

My Way Itiam Bibi
Rua Leopoldo Couto Magalhães Jr. n. 777
Cross Street: Brig Faria Lima
Tel: 11-3078-3642 11-3078-6074
www.clinicamyway.com.br (Eng and Port web site)
15 girls, look thin, young and great in pics 8s & 10s
Looks like 1 hr is 100R plus tip, 50 oral, 100R vag. 250R is a typical price
Hours 12:00 to 22:00 M-F, Sat 12-20hrs


La Fleur de Jour
Rua Baronesa de Bela Vista, 471
Vila Congonhas
Tel: 5561-0126 / 5533-5030
Giovana, Theis and Desise for Greek
http://www.lafleurdejour.com.br
10+ girls 6-8 Vanessa and Rosianne look good in pics
Looks like 150R full service 1hr, call

Clínica Zen - Vila Mariana
Endereço: Conselheiro Rodrigues Alves, 516 –
Close to Metro Ana Rosa
Tel: 11-3486-8634
http://www.clinicazen.com.br
100R full service 1 hr

Relaxe sem stress
Rua Eng° Figueiredo, 15 (trav. R. Bagé)
Tel: 11-5575-8847 e 5574-0983
No web site, looks like manual only, call

Clinica Femenna
Rua Guapiacu 45
Cross street: Av Jose Maria Whitaker
Tel: 11-5581-0303
www.clinicafemenna.com.br
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80 full service
Hours 10-21hrs M-F, Sat 10-20hrs
10+ girls on staff 5-7s

Clínica Francebel Campo Belo
Rua Pascal, 1634
Campo Belo
Tel: 11-5533-6955
This place is expensive, WSG site has many good reviews
250R massage plus extras
http://www.francebel.com.br

Clinica Diva
Rua Antônio de Castro Mendonça Furtado, 180
Close to: Raposo Tavares.
Tel: 11-3726-7122
Hours: 11-?
150 hr full service
10-12 girls on staff


Love Massage Jardim do Mar
Rua José Monteiro Filho, 85 –
Jardim do Mar – São Bernardo do Campo – SP
Tel: 11-4332-5304
½ hr 60R, 1 hr 90R full service, 2 girls 130R
3-5 girls per shift

XXL
03-13-05, 20:25
I'm back from SP and I swear I'll make good on the promise I've made to myself not to visit Brazil again (or, for that matter SA) for some time.

Mercure Downtown still has a 50BR fee on girls. It is now full most of the time and service leaves much to be desired. I had to really insist to get my room cleaned at least every other day. Was it because they have a shortage of manpower or did they want to make me understand that customers like me were not really wanted?

The area around Praça da República has lost My Love, but also the disco Happy Night. Some of the porn theaters around Ipiranga/Sao Joao which had girls doing hand-job don't have girls any more (e.g. Cine Ouro). Cine Globo now has a lot of girls but the number of male patrons has gone up too.

Watching people walk by, one is amazed at the quantity of stunners in SP. Two things though:
1) One out of five stunners is a transvestite, a so-called "boneca".
2) Whole-body plastic surgery is rampant

I still don't know what to think about point 1. Reportedly, many TVs are not even working as prostitutes. Being a TV simply seems an accepted alternative way of life in SP. Many men who don't look one little bit like being gay are often seen parading a "stunning" TV through the SP streets. I've speculated with Brazilian friends on what kind of relationship both partners we supposed to have with one another. No one seems to know for certain. It could be just an exhibitionism thing, i.e. the man is no more gay than you and me: he just wants to be seen in the company of a "stunner", and TVs happen to be available and more willing to oblige than women, who are becoming quite spoiled and expensive. On the one hand I think it's a bit sick, on the other hand it has the merit of encroaching on women's monopoly. At least Brazil will never cease to amaze us!

About point 2, half of the surgery done in SP must be cosmetic. It's no longer just tits, it's waist-thinning (lipo + rib removal) and butt-flaring, the works. And it's not mature women with flagging flesh either, it's young women in their twenties. Since no cosmetic surgery lasts forever, you might say Brazil is sitting on a sanitary time-bomb. If having a pinched waist and bubble butt made those birds better in terms of sex and feelings, I would be the last one to complain but I think it achieves the opposite: it sends them on an ego trip in which we men play no interesting part.

Fancy the reaction of the SP disco girl if she heard me confessing to having been a happy and HIV-negative barebacker throughout Asia and Africa for the past 15 years. By now, it might even be a crime in Brazil to have sex without a condom, who knows? She might call the police and have me arrested. But if I proposed her ten thousand euros to have her otherwise young and already shapely body pumped up with silicon, she would grab the offer and go under the knife without looking back.

Have you guys noticed how boring and repetitive Brazilian music has become? We're not there for the music but the fate of music in such a musical country as Brazil is symptomatic of what it's coming to. Samba was what made me love Brazil and its women even before I set foot there. By now I guess most Brazilian teenagers can't even dance to samba any more. It's reggae, US (trash) music and a degenerate form of Axé which looks and sounds like aerobics.

It about time I closed my account with SA. Indonesia will be my haunt from now on, with the odd week in the Cameroons. Adeus garotas! Adios chicas! Your mothers were all right.

xxl

Member #4643
03-13-05, 22:54
i must say that xxl's message is a bit depressing. however, his recent experience may simply reflect a string of bad luck (plus an intolerance for tvs and plastic surgery that means nothing to me). i have never had bad service at the mercure. it is a budget hotel, but i always got my room cleaned daily; the high speed internet service is almost high speed, and about half the time, my female friends enter for free.

on the other hand, it looks like xxl and i are amused by a different sector of the sex industry. i am not into the mps that specialize in hjs, nor the very inexpensive prives, which require some effort to find and even more effort if you want to find beautiful women. i am a huge fan of bomboa and millenium, the internet escort girl scene (some of whom have become regulars- almost real girlfriends) and a few girls whom i have a real relationship with. i have done especially well by making friends with girls from the boites, and seeing them regularly outside of kilt, bomboa, love story, etc. several members of this board have introduced me to fantastic women, and i have really profitted from this. and, having spent 200 pounds sterling for an hour with an asian lady in london last week, i think the prices in brazil are incredibly reasonable. finally, when one goes outside of the big cities, both the p4p and the non pro sex are totally delightful, and incredibly inexpensive.

i would not give up on brazil, but realize that certain aspects of the sex industry there are better than others. i try to take advantage of the strengths of the country, and ignore its weaknesses.

i am gearing up for 21 days in brazil over the next 5 weeks. it may not be cameroon (i would love to hear about cameroon some more!!! the board has very little about western africa, and i have heard it is fantastic for sex. i hope that xxl will report), but i still find brazilian women to be heavenly.

finally, as st patrick's day is upon us, i thought i would leave the brazil board with a joke that fits thematically with this board. i am not posting it in the ireland section, because p4p in ireland is a serious dissapointment, and i will not be returning to ireland willingly anytime soon:

-two irishmen were sitting at a pub having beer and watching the brothel across the street.
-they saw a baptist minister walk into the brothel, and one of them said,
-"aye, 'tis a shame to see a man of the cloth goin' bad."
-then they saw a rabbi enter the brothel, and the other irishman said,
-"aye, 'tis a shame to see that the jews are fallin' victim to temptation as well."
-then they see a catholic priest enter the brothel, and one of the
irishmen said, "what a terrible pity...one of the girls must be dying.

Aussie Greg
03-14-05, 14:24
Gidday guys,

I back up Forest words and Im sorry XXL.

I stayed at the Mercure, had great service and became friends with the staff.

All the girls at Bamboa were GFE, they fucked like animals and of course I had to do the same to them !!!!! they loved it. After Medellin en Colombia I would pick San Paulo, well not maybe to live but Sur Brazil for shore.

This is just me view and what happened to me, regards.

Aussie Greg.

Clandestine782
03-14-05, 20:30
I have heard some bad things about the racial situation in Brazil. Notably, dark= bad.

Two things that I've noticed about the women on all these sites onto which I have been clicking:

1. All the women look like white women.
2. They all have shaved vaginas.

Is it likely that I will have to go to lower class establishments to find more "Latin" looking women? Is it considered erotic to have a shaved vagina? I like hair, dammit! I don't want to have to search the entire continent to find an intact bush. Comments? I don't mind if you send me the answers via private messaging.

XXL
03-14-05, 22:45
In my view, shaven pussies are the rule in Brazil just like in most developped countries, and it's not a question of race.

I toured some of Germany's major swinging clubs a couple of years ago with an girl from Benin (West Africa). In each club, the girl was in the top twenty percent of all women present in the way of looks. Still, we (as a couple) met with a high degree of rejection, even from very inferior-looking couples. I realised this may have been partly because my girl had all her body hairs in place. I understand some degree of "shavenness" is now expected from men as well among the younger generation!

The trend is global and suffers few exceptions. If you browse through soft porn mags like Paul Raymond's (Club, Mayfair, Men'World), you'll notice that not a single one of the girls has hairs nowadays.

Returning to Brazil, this goes to show that Brazil is not a developping country any more. It is a country of global trends. Sex is no longer an animal act. It is a clean, medical act: condoms (=no bodily fluids), no hairs, no body odours etc. The trendiest girls also have the regulatory tattoo and piercing.

In Asia, as far as I know, hairs are the rule although they will usually smell of soap. In Africa not only will you very rarely find a shaven female body, but her hairy parts will often be dewy with sweat or other goodies. This is great if, like me, you like the animal side of sex.

xxl

Member #4643
03-15-05, 00:46
XXL- you need to get out of the cities in Brazil. Sao Paulo is almost as cosmopolitan as NYC, in my view. The girls there barely notice the existence of middle aged guys like me, unless they are in the sex industry. They know that the girls of Europe and America are shaving their pussies. And, they do not think of themselves as any less trendy and sophisticated as their European and American counterparts.

Fortuneatly, Brazil tolerates prostitution, and the girls need money more than their New York counterparts.

In the countryside of Brazil, I find that picking up freebies/GFEs is quite simple. It usually requires two dates, but I have never not managed to bed down a girl who held my interest for that long.

Africa sounds incredible. So little of any interest has been written about Africa on this or any other board. I encourage you to fill in the gaps.

As for the taste of pussy, I have found that rural girls in Brazil, the DR and China all have plenty of hair, and a sublime (and not soapy) flavor. It may be the influence of TV or the internet, or a response to economics that I do not entirely understand, but the differences between city and rural women crosses cultures.

J Wadd
03-15-05, 01:26
Well, it's been on-again off-again here in SP over the last few days. I've been hangin' with A Nomad for the last few days (great guy), and we've been bouncing around a bit.

Day two was alright. I had two girls in My Love for 100R each. One must buy a "lady drink" first (25R) then you can either take them out or do it in a "cabin" (like having sex in the back of a bus). It works, but it's tight.

Funnily, when I was with the second girl a Brasileiro boldly entered our cabin and rattled off some super-fast Portuguese. I said "yes" and he sat down beside me (she was on her knees giving me head at the time). I guess he asked if he could watch. Funny. The girl went ballistic and he left laughing. We high-fived on the way out (I would have said "no" if I had understood).

My Love has now moved across the street from Kilt. It's the cheapest club (more or less) in that area (not including Rua Augusta clubs). Girls for 100R can't be beat. They're pretty, too.

And, by the way, fuck Kilt. Junior (another WSG-ite and great guy) and I hung out there last night and paid 225R for 6 beers and a Smirnoff Ice (the entrance fee had been waived). That's 80-90USD. Extortion. Still, the girls are fairly pretty there...

On Saturday A Nomad and I went to Photo. It was pretty dead (Sat. is "wife night" in SP). The upstairs was totally closed and entrance fee was down from 130R to 100R. A Nomad got in with a T-shirt (by the way). Girls still want +/-400R for sex. Good place for phone numbers and cheaper deals for the following day.

Junior, A Nomad and I checked out Moulin Rouge for the first time last night. It's not that good (though it was dead). Average entrance fee (about 30R -- can't remember exactly), with beds on-site. Girls were about 100R for a half-hour, rooms were average price (30R or so). Big problem here is that it's basically an unwritten house rule that the girls won't give a BBBJ. That's a deal killer as far as I'm concerned.

Just got back from Millenium (local spelling). Great club. Going to Bomboa tonight.

So far, I'd only give my trip so far a B. No awesome sex yet. Maybe I'm jaded. Send out the good karma, brothers (and I thank you). I seem to need it.

I'll post up again when I have more to say.

Happy Hunting,
JW

P.S. The pics are rolling in -- but I can't find an internet cafe with front/user-side USB ports. I'll continue to look.

Rovnak
03-15-05, 06:56
Jav Mav,

Can you post anything more on All Black pub? I had that listed as a place to visit on the weekend, based on a review in Brasil Rough Guide toursit guide, since I will be staying only a block or two away from it.

Of course that guide said nothing about mongering. I assumed it was just a conventional club. It seems you are suggesting it is something of a magnet club for semi-pro's or pros. If true what is the common protocol. Are the working girls aggressive in making contact with you and do they bring up $ in the bar? I never worked a semi pro place in Brasil and have not read much about that scene.

Biggie Smalls
03-15-05, 13:44
Thanks JWadd for commenting "fuck Kilt"! If you check my post from the last couple months (all 2005) I've been bitching about Kilts service and prices, but felt alone. Because everyone keeps talking how great it is. Finally, confirmation I'm not alone. Ha ha! If you dont know Sampa, you might think its an ok place, if you do know this city and the industry, you know its bullshit.

BTW, still in SP?

BS

Pluto2
03-15-05, 21:25
Greetings,

I am trying to get Rev 5.0 completed, which may be my last effort for some time on compiling the action in SP. Any feedback that can make the 5.0 better will be appreciated. I'm hopping to come down in a few weeks.

Reading some of the comments on the board, I am reminded of something that a short balding accountant said as a quip a few years ago.

"If girls in their 20s are interested in guys over forty they want money, some of it or all of it"

The high end disco pros are making between $50K and $75K US a year in a country where the average income is approximately $7K. This would be like making approx. $250K a year in the US. As much as most doctors, corporate CEOs and top attornies. My guess is that the alternative is waiting tables, cutting hair or working in a botique and then getting hosed down by the boyfriend after they make him dinner. Little wonder they will do anything to their bodies to get the money. Most will try to land a husband once they pass their prime.

The girls that work in the fixed address clinics are the next step down from the glamor girls and have more anonimity (sp), they are less likely to run into their uncle at the shop. These girls probably earn close to the disco girls (also the outcall girls) but do higher volume. I'm guessing that a lot of these girls work a few days a week, or come and go a few weeks at a time. Need money for clothes etc..

I'll have to investigate, but the fixed address private appartments probably do the most business, lower prices and the girls are more normal. If run by a good madam, these places are by far the most reliable and while the girls are not "stunners", a good madam will have very presentable stable in the 5-8 range that gets hammered 8-10 times a day and still enjoy their work. These girls also have to show up for work regularly and perform every day they are on, good employees with no drug or alcohol problems. Usually the busiest places with the best madams are near the business or government district where the money is and offer 30-60 min. quality service typically from 10-20hrs, when things slow down. If somone can identify these appartments it would be great. While you may not feel like the 20 somethings are after you, the price, service and reliability are hard to beat, especially if you want something during the day and still have engergy to go to the clubs for a second pop at night.

Rovnak
03-16-05, 08:48
Adjustments:

Photo -
Girl drinks are 30-80 R - watch out
seems most girls have short time and TLN rates.
Most TLN rates I've seen are 300-400 after negotiation

According to Roebuck:
Effective 28 Feb Bomboa raised it's prices to R60 for room on site. R100 exit fee for the girl. So now we are R120 for entry includes, 6 beers, or 4 mixed or 3 top shelf whiskey, plus R100 for the exit (where exit is "Bar fine" to take girl to your place)

According to Starfe, francebel is not nearly as expensive as you and I thought, and the gpguia reviews would suggest. I am still a bit confused on this one.
According to Starfe he gets FS for 170 total
Room - 120R
Girl - 50R
"thats all it took to get laid & I'm the guy that always over pays."

Additions Boites:
-------------------------


Café Millenium
http://www.cafemillenium.com.br/
Rua Coronel Diogo , 1199 - Jd. da Glória (Ipiranga)
Tel: (11) 6914-5588
Hours - ?
Preço da bagaça:
150,00 garota presentinho
70,00 quarto
70.00 is cover
near Praca do Monumento
Highly regarded place, some regulars say it is best place in SP now.


Reopened high end place

Jardim America
Al. Gabriel Monteiro da Silva, 479
F. 3086-0099
(close to Bomboa)
This place closed and remodeled and just reopened
40 GPs, like a Photo, but with rooms on site as well as take out
Not sure of the pricing, but it is expensive


New high end place:

Rua Peixoto Gomide 263 (or 269?)
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 R. Peixoto Gomide 269 (one guy said 263?)
Consumação R$150
Red: R$250 + 10%
GPs: R$600 na casa por 2-2:30 R$600
Sair do local R$800 e você combia o tempo com a garo
This is successor to W and splinter from Jardim America
(I wish I understood what this 'bottle of red" is all about. It sounds like it is a bar fine where you must buy an overpriced bottle of wine in order to do one of the ladies? Can someone clarify?)
This place is considered, like Jardim America, an Jardins area alternatives to Photo, that have a fixed stable of girls, and rooms on location. Price is outrageously high, but supposedly quality is too.)


Bahamas
R. dos Chanés, 571- Moema
Telefone: (11) 5542-2748
http://www.cyberbahamas.com.br
- + R$100 ingression + R$70 of the room + GP negotiable (most ask for 200-300)
Flashy, 150 girls, supposedly very "pro" atmosphere. Some love it some hate it
Opens 4 pm


Donna Caffé - Pinheiros
Donna Caffé
R. Henrique Schaumann, 140 - Pinheiros
Tel: 3082-6667
http://www.donnacaffe.com.br/
Donna Cafe is about 2 blocks from Jd America and Bomboa is 5 blocks up from Donna Cafe
Donna Cafe gets started late. Try to get there after 10pm. They advertise a happy hour,
It is more upscale than Kilt or Vagao, but certain a full notch or two below Photo in terms of high-class charm.


Eu & Elas -
http://www.sperotico.com.br/eu/1.htm
Rua Pires da Mota, 494 (esq. da Av. Aclimação)
Tel.: 11. 3209-2756
supposedly more like smaller Bomboa
Horário de Funcionamento:
2.ª a 6ª das 15 às 1hs.
Sábados e Feriados das 14 ás 22 hs.
CUSTO: R$ 100-150 programa + 40 quarto + 80 entrada

Pluto2
03-16-05, 20:04
Thanks for the feedback, info has been incoroprated.

Can anyone suggest good hotels, near the metro In Jardin or near by that are safe, reasonably priced and friendly. Also apartments or other options.

Thanks,

Pluto2

J Wadd
03-16-05, 21:06
Biggie Smalls: Right on, right on!

A Nomad and I checked out the 8 story apartment brothel in Centro (342 Av. Barao, right off Pr. Republica next to Hotel Candanense (sp?)). Despite warnings on site, it's totally safe. It is, though, a low-end dump. 50 or so girls, not one of them cute or below 30% body fat. Supposedly 1R/minute.

Millenium is shaping up to be my favorite place in SP. Cheap with lots of girls. Bomboa is also good. Photo is just too expensive. Playmates can be found anywhere if you look.

Got the "sacred cow" service in Love Story again. Let in for 20R (about half price), and every employee in the place came up and mooched for tips. Sucks. Still, it's kinda fun in a Spring Break kind of way. Oh well.

Got a great little morena on Rua Augusta last night. 100R for everything (80Rsex + 20R for quarto and drink). Pretty good deal. It's the something-"Night" sauna.

Of the boites on the Kilt street, I'd have to say that My Love, Vagao Plaza and Cocktail are the best. Kilt has the most talent, but is too close to being a drink rip-off club for me to recommend.

Off to Fortaleza tonight with Junior. Look for me there.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

P.S. Thanks for the karma! Right after I asked for it I got a freaky stunner at Bomboa who fucked me like I was Rocco Siffredi! Opa!!

Genghis Khan
03-17-05, 11:00
Jardim America
Al. Gabriel Monteiro da Silva, 479
F. 3086-0099
(close to Bomboa)
This place closed and remodeled and just reopened
40 GPs, like a Photo, but with rooms on site as well as take out
Not sure of the pricing, but it is expensive


New high end place:

Rua Peixoto Gomide 263 (or 269?)
R. Pe. João Manoel 202 R. Peixoto Gomide 269 (one guy said 263?)
Consumação R$150
Red: R$250 + 10%
GPs: R$600 na casa por 2-2:30 R$600
Sair do local R$800 e você combia o tempo com a garo
This is successor to W and splinter from Jardim America
(I wish I understood what this 'bottle of red" is all about. It sounds like it is a bar fine where you must buy an overpriced bottle of wine in order to do one of the ladies? Can someone clarify?)
This place is considered, like Jardim America, an Jardins area alternatives to Photo, that have a fixed stable of girls, and rooms on location. Price is outrageously high, but supposedly quality is too.)


W.E. - Rua Peixoto Gomide 263 (269 is wrong).
F. - 3231-2555.
The bottle of red is a slang for a bottle of Johhny Walker Red Label.
Another expression for this is the whisky club. If you buy a bottle
of Red Label or other types of whiskies (Red Label is the cheapest
at R$250), they will keep the bottle for you when you leave and
you will be able to drink from it the next time you arrive in addition
to having free entry and cosumption for you and the people in your
party as long as you have your bottle. Normally the consumption is
R$150 minimum, which means that you have to pay this no matter
if you drink for R$150 or not. The prices for the garotas is R$600 for
a room in the club for a couple of hours and R$800 for take out until
the next morning. They do however have "special garotas" all the
way up to $R5000. These special ladies are not normally present in
the club, but they have a book available for you to choose from.
These ladies are former playboy models etc.

The whisky club consept is also at work at Jardim America. I believe
the pricing at "new" Jardim America is R$500,-.

BTW, The new owners of Jardim America have also reopend W at
Rua Alvorada 550. They have the same pricing structure but no
rooms in the club.

GK

Bonhead
03-17-05, 15:28
Holy smokes! These places GK mentions below are hella pricey. I guess you get what you pay for. Those places below would be serious "splurges" for my budget. Any of you jetsetters with deep pockets try these places out yet? Would love to hear your experiences.

Ecanto
03-17-05, 21:52
It is Thursday evening, I am at the airport waiting for my flight to take off (surfing on wifi). I will be in Sao Paulo tomorrow (Friday) for a few days (dont know how many days yet, but at least three). If anyone is interested in hooking up, please PM me.

I would be interested not only in meeting people to go to the places mentionned on this board, but also to visit some straightforward Sao Paulo bars and clubs. In fact, if anyone has any recommendation in that respect, those would be most welcome!!!

Regards

Rovnak
03-18-05, 07:37
GK,

Thanks for the clarification on the whiskey clubs. What is your opinion of these places? I will be based in the Jardins area for a week. Obviously, I won't be going for the "bottle of red" approach. Are these places just more exclusive hang outs for the guys with $$ to burn, who want to sit around with other wealthy guys, smoke cigars and hit some beauties? Or are the girls really much better than what you find at Millenium and Bomboa? I'm only interested in the women, so the cigars and whiskey and ambience are non factors for me.

For comparison, I think the girls pictured at the high end massage parlor The Palms http://www.thepalms.com.br/massagistas.html are pretty hot. Would you characterize them as typical of what you would find at the JA or W or the new place? Or are those high end places outrageously stocked?

Prosal
03-18-05, 09:57
Bonhead

Sao Paulo is pricey ; I personnaly can't even imagine to spend less than 600 reals/night, excluding garotas fees, here are my average expenses :

Entrance/ladies drinks/snacks in Photo, Gauguin, Bomboa or wherever (100/150 reals), taxis, one or two beers/ladies drinks in Vargao or My Love, then in Love Story (the highlight of my nights in town) a tip to the manager to be placed at a VIP table, one Red Label bottle (250 reals), sodas, few Coronas, maybe some sushis, tequila shots for some girls (25 reals each) and tips to the waiter and security Hulks ......

An amount still reasonnable to be treated like a king in fabulous places full of avalaibles stunners. IMO.

Pro

Genghis Khan
03-18-05, 21:17
Rovnak,

It is not easy to answer your question in just a few sentences, but I will try.
Basicly W, W Unico, Jardim America and W.E. has been run by the same
owners/management. The name of the clubs they have operated over the
past years have changed and the physical address of the clubs have
changed, but in every other regard all of these clubs have basicly been the
same as long as this ownership/management has stayed. W Unico is not in
operation anymore.

The prices are quite high but what you get is in my opinion quite different
from other clubs in Sao Paulo. The staff never try to push you into
taking a girl out and they are very reliable. You will never get cheated in
their club. They will always do their very best in order to ensure you have
a good time. The staff is constantly circulating and asking if everything is
to your satisfaction, and if it is not they will help you in every way they
can. For instance the owner of W Unico drove me and my selected girl
back to my hotel himself (after I had spent all the cash I had brought
with me in his club and couldn`t afford a taxi).

I have never tried any of the girls in their book, nor have I ever heard of
anybody doing so. The girls in their club is at Cafe Photo level or maybe a
notch above. That means at level or above with the best in Sao Paulo. The
best thing about these girls is that you are basicly guaranteed a great GFE.
The girls are mostly quite new to the business and don`t have the typical
hardcore attitude shown by many girls in other clubs. The girls will work only
a few weeks and are then replaced by new girls. The owner does this
because he thinks that girls very new to the business will provide the best
GFE.

Everything is paid directly to the club. This is in my opinion an advantage
because this means that the girl will get her money from her boss and he
is very concerned about repeating customers. The staff will ask you if your
experience was to your satisfaction after completion.

If you are with a group, you will be able to have a party set up for you
at a private house with the company of the girls of your selection from
their book. This is probably the ultimate experience.

In my opinion there are no better places than this around and I will always
come back whatever name and address they have. What you get is a great
experience of being taken care of by both the management and their girls.

Concerning the whisky club, I think I might have been a bit unclear - if
you buy a bottle of Red Label at R$250 and come back another time,
you have saved R$50 because as long as you have something left
on your bottle you don`t pay anything for consumption. If you don`t
have a bottle you pay a minimum of R$150 for every visit.

BTW, the club and management/ownership I am refering to is now present
only at W.E.

Have fun,
GK

Member #4643
03-19-05, 03:03
In the past, Sunday night in Sao Paulo meant either finding an independent escort, or going to Kilt. Sundays are dead in Sao Paulo, but unfortunately, I will arive in SP just a few minutes before midnight next Saturday.

Does anyone have anything new or imaginative to do on a Sunday. Keep in mind that I am not referring to a trip to the zoo! I refer to having sex, preferably with more than one lady!

Hot To Cool
03-19-05, 03:49
Forest,

I suggest that you go to Cafe Royal near Praca Republica and near Rua Augusta. Their address is Nestor Pestana 255, Consolacao , Sao Paulo and they close at 430 AM on Saturday nights. On a recent Saturday night I sat with a stunning 5ft10 blonde with fake jugs but awesome body named Marjorie. Two drinks for her at 30 R each and your drink at 15R gives you the right to take her upstairs to a cabine where you negotiate a rate with her(or she may leave it up to you). You could also conceivably negotiate a rate for Sunday with her. I hope this helps.

Hot To Cool

Hot To Cool
03-19-05, 04:22
Forest,

In reference to the above boite, drinks for the garota are probably 50 R each not 30 R, plus there is a cabine or room rental fee of about 50 R. In any case the quality of garota is pretty high here.

Though Antares clinica is closed on Sunday, I recently went on a Wednesday afternoon and picked Susana out of a book that the receptionist lets you look at. She is a model quality 10, a 5ft7 blonde with natural breasts who does multiple positions covered with DFK allowed. The only negative with her is that she is a clock watcher. Antares is near the Praca de Arvore Metro station on the North south line at Bosque de Saude 268. Total damage paid after the hour is up is 150 R( no tipping needed), which is paid to the receptionist.

Hot To Cool

Rovnak
03-19-05, 04:57
Rovnak,

Concerning the whisky club, I think I might have been a bit unclear - if
you buy a bottle of Red Label at R$250 and come back another time,
you have saved R$50 because as long as you have something left
on your bottle you don`t pay anything for consumption. If you don`t
have a bottle you pay a minimum of R$150 for every visit.

BTW, the club and management/ownership I am refering to is now present
only at W.E.

Have fun,
GKVery nice information GK. I am just thinking about options and your information is highly valued.

As for the quoted part. I see what you are saying abou the 250 for the bottle instead of 2 X 150 for separate entrances. However, is the 150 a "minimum" that one has to spend on consumption of drinks OR food? Since I don't drink whisky, maybe I would be better off spending 150 each time and putting the 150 toward some food? Am I making sense?

Are these places subject to the same "slow" effect on Friday and Saturday that is always mentioned in regard to Sampa clubs? Obviously, there are probably fewer men. But I am hoping that since the girls are somewhat "contracted" to the house, maybe the ratio of girls to men is as good or better on Friday and Saturday than the M-Thurs crowd?

Also, I thought I read elsewhere that the girls at these clubs are less likely to arrange for a separate rendezvous than the girls at some of the other clubs. I had the impression that they were more closely watched by the management, which is both good and bad. Good as you point out, since the management is interested in their service. But perhaps bad if that makes them unavailable for a separate date. For instance, I will be in Sampa over the weekend, so when i arrive on Friday, I will probably want to go somewhere on Friday and Saturday where I can ALSO look for a stunner who might want to spend Sunday with me when everything is closed.

Jay Dub
03-19-05, 08:04
I've lived in West Africa (Ghana & Nigeria) and the women there shave, and there is literally no body odor. I don't know that part of Africa you've been, but the hair and the body odor, is really not something that myself, and others experience when in Africa, West Africa in particular.

In fact, its weird because I am the kind of guy who after living here in the states, kinda dig and have grown to like a bit of hair and musky odor, but hey, that's just me.

Genghis Khan
03-19-05, 09:20
Forest,

Bahamas is open on Sundays too.

GK

Member #4643
03-19-05, 15:55
GK:

This is terrific news! Bahamas has an excellent reputation, and I will definitely plan to check it out. Is the Sunday selection decent there? As you know, the garotas often take Sunday off as a family day (para visitar a mãe, o pai e também o neném).

Actually, one of my best Sunday experiences ever resulted from an encounter with a young lady named Luana Ferraz, who was a nursing student and advertised on MClass. She was literally the only person I could reach on a Sunday afternoon, and with an early evening flight back home scheduled, I was desparate for a last minute souvenir. Her oral skills, as they say, were inesquecível, and despite the fact that she was only supposed to stay for an hour, she overstayed by several, and I nearly missed my plane! Sadly, I no longer see Luana advertising. I think she is wasting her skills changing bedpans now.

I don't disparage the independent girls, they can just be hard to find, and i greatly prefer the clubs where you know what you are getting before you enter into any deals.

Genghis Khan
03-19-05, 16:46
Forest,

I have never been to Bahamas on a Sunday, so I don`t know what the
selection is like. I do however believe it might be a bit limited compared
to other days of the week.

GK

RexG
03-19-05, 21:57
Pluto2,

Having visited Rio twice in '04, I think I'm ready to graduate to the big city. For planning purposes, your web sites guide is terrific. Thanks for pulling this together.

I humbly offer a couple of suggestions. You might provide further hotel info since there are probably multiple Hiltons & Mercure's in downtown. I think you are referring to the following Mercure hotel:

Mercure Sao Paulo Jardins
Address : ALAMEDA ITU 1151
AT RUA AUGUSTA - CERQUEIRA CESAR
Tel : (+55)11/30897555
Fax : (+55)11/30897550
E-mail : reservasmjardins@accorhotels.com.br

Also, while I can comfortably handle a city of Rio's size, I am a little intimidated at the thought of moving around in the world's third largest city. Perhaps you could include some general tips for moving about. Are taxis safe? cheap? Is the metro useful in getting to some of the clubs? Is it safer than Rio to walk after darK?

Thanks again,

Rex

Rovnak
03-19-05, 22:31
Forest,

I don't recall where I read it. But I have a note saying that Connection Night Club is also open on Sundays. I do not know the hours.

Rovnak
03-20-05, 01:07
Rex,

Most of what you ask is covered in the forum. Here are short answers. I have not been to SP, but I have gathered this information in preparation for my trip.

Metro:
Upside fast, clean and reliable. Best option in daytime if your destination is near one of the stations.

Downside - many destinations are not near the stations.

Generally, not recommended for nightime travel.

Taxis
Upside - pretty cheap. Two rates, Bandeira A (before 10pm) and Bandeira B (after 10pm).

Downside - traffic can be very bad and distances can be vey large depending on point A and point B.

So you should prepare by getting familiar with the locations of the places you want to go. The best resource for this that I have found is the yahoo.com.br "mapas" feature. There you can enter a source address (say your hotel) and a destination address (say Bomboa's address), and it will show you the route and also the taxi fare. For instance most of the taxi fares from my base in Jardim Paulista look to be between 10R for the near places and up to 40R (one way) for the further places.

Tip - Also, I just got done preparing some index cards with the addresses of the places I am considering visiting. Then I can simply show the card to the taxi driver and not have to worry about miscommunication. The street names are ridiculously unmemorable in SP. So on the front of the card I have written "Bomboa American Bar" and on the back I have the full address. I will show th e taxi driver the address first and if he is still confused I will show him the establishment name. And if he is still confused, I will get another cab.

Tip - get a map. I got the fleximap from Insight. This covers a reasonable portion of the extremely large city. Some monger sights are on the map, many are off the map. Still, at least I have a good sense of the layout of the city, the bairros, the metro, and the distances.

Genghis Khan
03-20-05, 08:27
Rovnak,

If you don`t drink whisky, the whisky club obviously will not be a good choice.
The R$150 minimum for consumption used to be for food and drinks at W and
Jardim America, but I am not sure if they serve food at W.E. They probably
do.

These clubs are not open on Saturdays - only Monday to Friday and Friday
is usually slower than the other days like in most other clubs in Sampa.

At Jardim America it was no problem to arrange a date with the girl directly
for a lower fee after the club closed. I am not sure how this works
at W.E.

What might be a problem during the weekends is that if the owner has set
up a party at the private house, your girl might be spoken for.

GK

Member #4643
03-20-05, 13:59
Hotels in Sao Paulo all have taxi stands right outside their doors. These stands are populated by drivers whom are approved by the hotel. The same is true of the boites (or at least the ones that I know, such as Bomboa and Millenium). However, waving down a taxi on the street is dicey. This is how people get robbed or worse. Nevertheless, I have done it and have lived to tell the tale. I will say, however, that these are the cab drivers who have tried to charge me double.

If you are in need of a reliable taxi, it is usually a good idea to look for a major hotel and use the cabs lined up outside. Remember, work is hard to find in Sao Paulo, and if you complain, these cab drivers could loose the right to line up outside of whatever location that they work.

As for walking in the streets in Sao Paulo- its like any other big city. Never recommended at night except in crowded areas. NEVER. Its just as dangerous as walking at night in Rio.

Marglo
03-20-05, 19:33
I do not recommend depending on taxis in Sao Paulo. Find a driver you like and who knows the city, pay him 30 reals per hour and you will save yourself much unnecessary aggravation. The rule in Sao Paulo is that taxi drivers have no idea where they are going and will keep driving until one realizes that the driver is lost. No fun. Keep a driver 4 hours and it still just costs 120 reals and you will get where you are going and have a driver to take you and your young lady back to the hotel.

Also, I would not allow a hotel in Sao Paulo to charge a guest fee. Sao Paulo is full of hotels who need business. If you see a guest charge just have it removed, but that said always have your guest register.

The new W club is amazing and the women are total GFEs. As far as getting a phone number just ask and you will receive. The only problem will be if she lives in a W house. In that case you may need to wait until the weekend to see her outside.

Biggie Smalls
03-21-05, 12:53
To comment on Marglos message: Ill be that dirver if anyone needs! It would be my pleasure.

But I really wanted to give you and update on Sundays at Bahamas. I saw a few new post about it and I didnt even know they were open on Sundays. So I saw it as my duty and obligation to you, that I go and report on it.

The website says starting at 4 on Sundays. Incorrect, its 5. Went in at 5:10, not a soul but the staff visible. Paid R101 for entrance w/ no drinks. Told rooms were R71. If you take up two girls same time, the room is R142. You negotiate with the girls directly, cash only.

After 10 minutes, a couple girls begin to drift in from the back area and Im still the only dude. One girls gave me a tour and told me alot about the club and the girls.

I grabbed a menu and saw that vodka was R12. So I ended up going with vodka and OJ.

About 6:15 the numbers were about 35 or 40 girls and only 3 men. About 5 of the girls were pretty hot 8 and 9. Most of the rest were a decent quality. 5-7. No one real ugly. Just a few that were a little too old for me.

At 7:30 the numbers were like 50 to 60 girls and only 5 men. It was like shooting fish in a barrell. The hard part was keeping them away so you could get to one you wanted to talk to. Everytime you sent one away a couple more were waiting on th side lines to jump right down next to you.

But at this ratio and with the girls present, its a great pick for a Sunday place. Fucking blows shitty Kilt out of the water.

I got some phone numbers and plan on meeting out of the club this week. My preference.

I left around 9. There were a lot more men then, maybe 15, and the girls told me the numbers would continue to rise. They are open till 2.

Only problem I had, when I left, my bill said the R12 Vodkas with OJ were R30 each. I told the lady the menu said R12. She just stared at me. I was in a hurry so I said forget about it. So, my advice is, at R18 a pop, stay away from the orange juice....ha ha.

Hope this educates.

Biggie Smalls

Genghis Khan
03-21-05, 22:47
Biggie Smalls,

Thanks for the update on Bahamas on Sundays.
I know where I am going to spend my Sunday nights in Sao Paulo from now
on.

GK

Scotty Monger
03-22-05, 06:30
Been doing my research for a trip to Brazil later this year, so I have been thoroughly reading the forum like a good boy. I have used WSG to research my many trips to Mexico, Thailand, Curacao, Costa Rica & now Brazil.

I have read thousands of posts, many good & informative, some nothing but BS.

I have NEVER read so many excellent & informative posts from one member as those of Biggie Smalls.

Thanks for bringing the great info. & thanks for educating me. I will PM you when I have my travel dates in the hope of meeting you so I can pay you back for the great information (& no BS) that you have conveyed.

Take care,

Scotty

Rovnak
03-22-05, 06:33
Great info Biggie,

From your letter it appears some of the girls were willing to give you numbers even though you did not session with them.

That is a pretty good ratio, 60 gps to 15 guys!!! Hope they have that ratio two weeks from now, I'll set up an interview table right there in the club. "Ok, ladies, take it easy, stay in line please."

Biggie Smalls
03-22-05, 14:34
I'm humbled by your words Scotty, but I will hold you to your offer:) I take my research for this forum very serious. I even take notes on my cell phone. But thats mostly cause I have a drinking problem and wont remember exactly what to post in the morning! Many times the girls will ask me why Im typing on the cell phone so much. Some times I just tell them Im messenging work. Other times (especially if the owner or manager is near) I say Im taking notes to write a review, or that Im a tour guide for gringoes and Im checking out clubs. This gets the ass kissing started with the managers...ha ha.

The girls were a littled spoiled at Bahamas, but thats not always that bad of a thing. I tend to have a knack to find the newbies even in the midst of 60 girls. The girl I spent the most time with and will meet outside the club has only been in SP for 4 weeks. First time working as a GP. My Portuguese has gotten better (living here) so I am able to bullshit better now. I think these two things play in my favor of getting the numbers without sessions. Also keep in mind, alot of these girls have regulars the meet outside of work every week. Dont tell them your just passing through for a week. Tell them you come often for work, and would like their number so you could call them when you are in town.

Thanks again for all the kind words. You've only given me fuel to go out and research more!

Hope this helps and educates.

Biggie Smalls

MoonDog
03-24-05, 19:58
Cast of Characters:

1. Present girl of two years.
2. Former girlfriend of two years before she took off without a word. No email, no phone, no contact, which brought me to number 1.
3. Relative of #2.
4. Very nice and sweet girl who was never a steady, but really fun to be with from time to time over a period of 5 years.
5. Waiter who worked at Café GauGuin who was a good friend of #1.
6. Friend of #5 and #1 working at Bomboa.
7. Girl working at Café Gauguin
8. Wild girl working at Bomboa.
9. Friend of mine from last year, working at Balerno on Rua Augusta.
10. An absolutely super sweet girl who is working at Balerno on Rua Augusta, and friend of 9. She gives an absolutely awesome performance.

This is a story not of photos, but of events that took place over a period of 4 days in Sao Paulo, bringing together the cast mentioned above. I could not have scripted this any better if I tried.

Tuesday

Arrival day had my co-worker and I planning on going out to Balerno in the afternoon, then meeting #1 later that evening for dinner. #1 was supposed to bring along a friend for my co-worker, but that fell through, and that is just as well as her friend was not that much of a player anyway. So we as a group were to have dinner and then go out to a club to find girls that were very much players for #1 and my co-worker, and then head out to a swing club. I met my co-worker at the designated time, but still had to buy a gift to take home, so agreed to meet him at Balerno later. By the time I was able to get everything done and make it to Balerno, he was no where to be seen. While stepping outside to call him, who should come up but #9. Not the best looking, but affectionate as ever, and a very nice girl. The phone call confirmed my co-worker had been there and gone back to the hotel, so I would meet him later. After joining her inside, pretty soon, #10 joined us. Between the two of them, I was no match for their talents, and quickly succumbed to their tag team efforts. It was a fun time, and I left for the hotel to clean up. As #1 was not coming over until around 11:00, I just met my co-worker downstairs and we waited for her in the lobby bar.

She came in looking definitely hot, and seems to get better looking every time I see her. Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not complaining. My co-worker had been feeling a bit under the weather the pervious few days, and so bowed out of the night’s activities. #1 and I headed out to dinner. She has a personal friend who drives her around when needed, and he picked us up after dinner to take us to Café Millenium. He suggested Café GauGuin instead. It really did not matter to us, as we were both up for something new, and it was the girl were after, not so much the club.

Café Gauguin, www.gauguin.com.br, has been open about three years, and is located right next to the Hilton Morumbi area. This was excellent as I was to meet Off2Golf there towards the end of the month. The club has really nice décor, with a stage for shows, and rooms on premises. It caters to the business clientele in the immediate area, so the activities start a bit earlier than other clubs. In any case, there are some beautiful girls working there. They want R$300 to go to the room on premises. Anything outside of that is between you and her. If a bit on the high side, these clubs are a great place to entertain guests and meet some beautiful girls.

Upon walking in, immediately #5 recognized #1, as he used to work with her at another club. After the introductions and small talk, he led us over to a couch and table. Just as we approached the table, #4 walked up to me to say hi. I could do nothing else but introduce her to #1 just to be polite. I had no idea that she was working there.

A little background on #4 is due here. I had not seen her for quite a while, and so a few weeks ago I gave her a call out of the blue. I went out before she arrived for use of an ATM, but had no luck during the short time frame. I only had R$100 with me for this activity, so when she came into the hotel looking fantastic, I felt bad, and told her so. She said not to worry, she trusted me, and let’s just have some fun. Sweet girl.

Back to the club, as #4 was exiting, she mentioned to me not to forget her, and I told her not to worry as I would call her the next day. #1 is watching every move, and asks what is going on. I just said that #4 thanked me for being such a good friend. She did not believe a word of it, but let it drop. #!1 is very good at letting me have some fun once in a while, especially sharing the same girl with her, and letting me have my fun if she is out of town. As she says, “a 30 minute fuck is ok.”

Shortly after that, the waiter came up to me and told me that there is a girl here that knows me, and wants to come over to say hi. I said sure, and here comes #3. I don’t believe this, and immediately I ask where #2 is. 3 tells me that 2 is working there, and will be there tomorrow night. Now #1 is looking at me, with her hands around my neck, saying that she is going to kill me. I pull a Bill Clinton and say, “What’d I do?” We laugh about this as within a few minutes of walking in, the presence of two former girls and the shadow of a third, produces some interesting conversation via the BGN(Brazilian Garota Network). Anyway, #1 is cool about the whole thing, and we settle in for some fun. I made arrangements to be able to call #5 the next day to get in touch with #2. Two other girls are invited over to our table, and #1 gets into a conversation with #7. So now my girl and #7 start getting into it, and we head upstairs for a great time. #7 is very pretty, nice figure, and willingly goes back and forth between both of us. They would not allow photos, but agreed to another session at another time.

Wednesday

Day two had me wake up to the fact that my flight home had been cancelled, and I was booked on the following night’s flight. Another night in Sao Paulo is not hard to take, so after taking care of some personal items, I gave #4 a call, and she came over around 6:30 in the evening. Damn she looked hot in jeans and a tank top. We talked a bit in the room, I gave her the additional money promised, and she understood about my girl, and told me not to worry. Love these girls and their attitudes. So after about 15 minutes of visiting, we parted ways, and I was now just waiting for my girl to come over around 10 or so.

We were supposed to go to a club to pick up another girl for my co-worker, and then the four of us were to head out to a swing club. #1 had never been to Bomboa, and I cautioned her that some of the guys had said that Bomboa would not guys to bring girls into the club. She just said, “Watch me.” I had no doubt, as her tight pants, cute ass, and red top drawing attention to her nice tits would get her in anywhere. Sure enough, they let her in, but gave me two wrist bands, one for each of us. Upon settling in, my co-worker quickly latched on to a girl, and within minutes, #6 sees my girl, and immediately there are hugs and kisses all around. Turns out they know each other from way back. We ordered drinks, made small talk, and all the while I kept watching the ladies walking around.

A beautiful, statuesque blonde, #8, starting walking near me, and after making small talk, I asked her to sit down. She and my girl starting talking very fast between them, and the next thing I know she and my girl are engaged in a giant liplock. I said, “What about me?” She immediately attacked me sitting on the couch. I looked at my girl, we all looked at each other, and off to the room we went. I have never seen two girls get into it as much as they did, and although I was playing around with them, I had to wait until they got off on each other before I had my turn. The buzzer went off way too soon, and so we had another session. After the girls were finished, #8 was talking to my girl, yak, yak, yak. I touched her briefly on her arm, and told her that I wanted her. She said, “C’mon baby.” I looked at my girl, and asked her if it was ok. She gave her approval, and all three of us had another session in every position. What a night, and next time, I am going to get videos and photos. Unbeliveable.

Thursday

I woke up feeling nauseated, chills, and not feeling good at all. I thought about it and decided not to travel that night but put if off until Friday. My girl came over later and just relaxed with me, and that was it.

Friday

My buddy Prazer got in touch with me, as he had just spent the night in SP, and was heading off to Rio that night. Feeling a bit better, I decided to join him at FranceBel, as I had never been there before. He would then leave from the domestic airport, and I would go back to the hotel and get ready for my flight. FrancelBel was everything that it had been built up to be. Beautiful girls, and a very nice atmosphere, combine to make this an excellent way to spend a few hours. After selecting a girl, taking the shower and waiting in the room, she came in. Small talk, a light massage on the feet, and working up the legs, and then it was all over. The massage went out the window for a while, and then we massaged each other. It was an excellent ending to a wild trip, or at least I thought that was the ending. Upon arrival at the hotel, I walked out to buy more credits for my phone. As the place was right on Rua Augusta, and time was still available, I thought, why not? I started immediately down Rua Augusta to Balerno, and after walking in, was immediately greeted by #10. She was ever so sweet and nice, the kind of girl that can make you forget all your problems very easily. Fixing herself up, she would be beautiful babe on your arm at dinner, and dynamite in the sack. A wonderful girl.

Just before leaving, I was able to get in touch with #2 and will see and talk to her next week. I’m curious as to where she disappeared to for two years.

That’s it gentlemen, thanks for staying with me this long.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Starfe
03-25-05, 00:05
This place is a hidden gem when you have free afternoon. I like it better then ordering escorts since there is no bait and switch and you can keep going back to the photo room for more each hour. 3 was my best day which took 5 hours. I alway have a smiley face when I leave . ( just like on the photos )
Avoid the quiche there.

Thanks for the update on Café GauGuin . I was there a few months after it opened and it was rather slow at the time. Its now on my to do list in June.


For those who love great Japanese food you must try the Hyatt just up the street. Out of the world sushi and Sukiyaki .

Starfe

Member #4643
03-26-05, 02:48
Does anyone know of a hotel in Sao Paulo that either has excellent excerzie facilities or is near a great gym? Better yet would be to be near a tennis club.

All of the hotels in Sao Paulo are girl friendly, so this is not an issue for me. Obrigado!

Kinesics
03-26-05, 04:33
Forest,

Hilton Morumbi has great and modern physical exercise facilities at the top floor (may be 28th or 29th floor). On same floor has indoor swimming pool which is reasonable size where you can have laps. The hotel is about two years or so old and therefore most of them are new and up to date facilities.

Staff working at the hotel are very nice and friendly folks and I know a few of them through my frequent stays at the hotel.

I will be staying there next week for one week except Wednesday for day trip to BA. Hope this helps.

O2G

Kinesics
03-26-05, 04:40
Moondog,

Thanks for sharing your recent expedition in Sao Paulo. I am glad to hear that Cafe Gauguin is doing well. It has become my default hang out place as it is walking distance from Hilton Morumbi.

JWadd, if you read this, where are you going to be next week? I will be in SP on Tuesday, Thursday through Saturday.

O2G

Biggie Smalls
03-26-05, 15:13
Forest,

There is a small tennis club on the main drag that connects the end of Paulista and Downtown (near Kilt). You could stay Mercure/Hilton downtown or anything near Paulist and it would be a short cab ride.

Also, if you went to Hilton Morumbi, like suggested, there is an incredible tennis club just on the other side of the marginal. Also just a short cab ride from Hilton Morumbi or any hotel in that area.

Need more info. you can PM me.

Member #4643
03-26-05, 22:48
For a variety of good reasons, the Hilton Morumbi sounds like the place for me. The previous threads make the Cafe Gauguin sound very attractive for an evening of pleasure. Can you guys tell us some more? Cost, are there rooms at the Cafe, quality of the ladies compared with the more famous haunts (Kilts, Bomboa, Millenium, Connection)?

Any other places to check out if one stays at the Hilton Morumbi?

Thanks

MoonDog
03-27-05, 02:11
For a variety of good reasons, the Hilton Morumbi sounds like the place for me. The previous threads make the Cafe Gauguin sound very attractive for an evening of pleasure. Can you guys tell us some more? Cost, are there rooms at the Cafe, quality of the ladies compared with the more famous haunts (Kilts, Bomboa, Millenium, Connection)?

Any other places to check out if one stays at the Hilton Morumbi?

Thanks
Forest,

I forgot what the cost of the drinks was, but the girls want R$300. There are rooms on premises, quite nice, and I do not believe there is an additional fee for the rooms. I will find out for sure on the prices next week. The quality of the girls is as good or better than the other high end clubs.

Others can tell you about the other clubs around there.

Moondog

Member #4643
03-27-05, 02:50
Moondog: when are you going to put together a web site (or at least a primer) for Sao Paulo, like the one you have for Buenos Aires? You are clearly one of the most knowledgable guys on the board, and this city is AMAZING once you get to know your way around!

Please continue to post about the pladces you know. Many thanks

F

P.S. Do you speak Portuguese? Despite your amazing ability to find your way around Sao Paulo, it appears that you do not speak the language. That should be evidence to most of us mongerers that Sao Paulo can be exploited without the need to devote years of study to the language. Obviously, the Japenese and Korean guys in Sao Paulo already understand this.

Hot To Cool
03-27-05, 07:24
Forest,

I second your motion for moondog to write a primer for SP. His primer for BA proved very useful for my first trip to BA.

Hot To Cool

MoonDog
03-27-05, 08:26
Moondog: when are you going to put together a web site (or at least a primer) for Sao Paulo, like the one you have for Buenos Aires? You are clearly one of the most knowledgable guys on the board, and this city is AMAZING once you get to know your way around!

Please continue to post about the pladces you know. Many thanks

F

P.S. Do you speak Portuguese? Despite your amazing ability to find your way around Sao Paulo, it appears that you do not speak the language. That should be evidence to most of us mongerers that Sao Paulo can be exploited without the need to devote years of study to the language. Obviously, the Japenese and Korean guys in Sao Paulo already understand this.
Forest,

Thanks for the nice words, but my knowledge of Sao Paulo is limited to the main clubs, and with a populaton of 24 million, there is a lot to be found. The nice part about it is that most of the clubs that we talk about are fairly close together in the greater scheme of things, but the streets are laid out every which way, so it makes it hard to find your way around even with a map. The streets of BA on the other hand are laid out very nicely, and it is easy to follow. I think that a map of the main places would not be too hard to do. I might give it some thought.

I know only a few words of Spanish and even less of Portuguese, but knowing English speaking garotas helps immensely. Kindness and generosity go a long way as well.

Let me play around with some maps, and see if I can put together something for the new guy in town.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Johnny Jets
03-27-05, 09:25
I visited Cafe Gauguin in November 2004. I am not a regular visitor to such clubs and was nervous about going there. I was dressed in good clothes, but not a suit or tie.

When I arrived at the door I was greeted by a pleasant women who said to me do you speak English, I said yes (as thats the only language I speak) and she asked have you been here before, I said no and she asked would you like to explain how this club works. I said yes.

You may sit a table or the bar. If you see a girl you are interested in talking to just ask the waiter and he will bring her over to talk to you. All the waiters know if the girls speak English or not.

I went to a table and noticed the place has high ceilings and little to no smoke. They have a good air con system. I did not feel anything strange or threatening. It was a well run and pleasant club. Even the music volume was right, loud enough to dance to but not loud enough that you couldn't have a conversation.

I ordered a beer and tried to take in the women there, they were amazing, tall good looking and dressed in incredibly sexy outfits. After lots of smiles from many of them I asked the waiter if I could talk to one striking one.

He said one moment and went and asked if she would like to come to my table. No problem she came over and shook my hand (very formal), I invited her to sit down and she did. She said the girls had to order three drinks, so she started on non alcohlic drinks and continued that way. She spoke good english and had great tits. I asked if the were real and instantly my hand was grabbed and pushed into her cleavage, she asked can you find any silicon, I could not.

The girl asked me if I was wanting to see the strip show which would be one in 15 minutes, I said no I was more interested in going back to my hotel. (staying at the nearby Hilton).

We left soon after and she told me she would have to check in at reception, ugh I thought. But again another nice surprise. The female receptionist asked do you want this women to be your guest, I said yes and she smiled and said that is great and implied isn't wonderful that two people find each other attractive. Oh what a great attitude!

In the bedroom for two hours the sex was wild and passionate. Full on emotions and feelings, almost unbelievable.

She was about 30 and I am 45. There was no agro, snide looks or any other bs in the whole process from the entering the club to the hotel. Just an amazing experience, especially for me who is nervous and negative towards clubs like this.

Rovnak
03-27-05, 10:50
Nice report Johny,

Glad you had a good time. Its refreshing to read a post from someone who appreciates the good differences in Brasil. It seems like a lot of the veterans only want to talk about how things are not as good as they were in "back in the day".

Did you have to pay the club a "bar fine" for the girl to leave with you?

Its curious, the local Brasilan forum gpguia.net actually has a low opinion, relatively speaking of Cafe Gauguin. I read that forum top to bottom and I did not even have Cafe Gaugin on my long list, let alone my short list. Goes to show you how many places there are in SP.

Maybe they, the locals, consider it a "gringo" place. For what its worth, they think the girls elsewhere are "much better". The few reports that I read said "average girls, few real stunners". But that may be because average is great by our standards. Or else, these clubs ebb and flow in terms of talent and maybe this club is hot now. If there is good money to be made there, more hotties will follow the $$.

MoonDog
03-27-05, 15:40
Nice report. I had a talk with one of the waiters, and he said that they do not pad the bill behind your back, charge extra for drinks, etc, as everything is above board. Thanks for a good report, and I will try and add some more this next week.

Moondog

Kinesics
03-27-05, 18:17
Café Gauguin is relatively new establishment in Sao Paulo. Since Hilton Morumbi opened for business about 2.5 years ago, it has been my place to stay while I am in Sao Paulo and the Gauguin was walking distance from Hilton. It was relatively unknown club for fellow mongers on this board.

I reported the Gauguin on the board about year or so ago. Then it was still new and upcoming club in the area and for that reason, its business was somewhat slow. It was mainly targeting local mongers while a few non-locals were spotted here and there. I would speculate that business travelers staying in adjacent US brand hotels might pay them visits based on advice from the hotels’ concierge.

I believe it is still primarily for local mongers for enjoying their evening out. About a year ago or so, the Gauguin was planning to expand for 3rd floor for on-premise rooms for convenience of clients and their ladies. Per reporting, it sounds like the expansion project went in and completed. The Gauguin is somewhat different from other first-tier clubs in SP from the perspectives of atmosphere, pace and attitude of gentle and lay back, and all in all it is good club, at least to my sense and taste.

If I remember correctly, cover charge was about R$40.00 or so per guest which the guest consume the charge. Evening filled with fun at Gauguin would be in range of R$100.00 to R$150.00 per guest if you have good drinks with your lady from the club, a cigar or so and a few laughs. Ladies usually ask for R$200.00 to R$300.00 and no recollection of the bar fine, but not sure as it might have been embedded in the bill.

I am glad that fellow mongers also enjoy the club that I’ve enjoyed. O2G

J Wadd
03-27-05, 20:04
My camera got pick-pocketed today in Cochabamba, Bolivia. So much for all those killer pics (about 50, so far) from S.P. and Fortaleza. I guess I'll try to get my hands on a disposable. Fuck!

The locals are also a little rough with me today (gringo this, etc.). It's Easter Sunday, too... Maybe they know something I don't. Had great pics of shrunken dogs and decapitated bull's heads in the mercado (along with all the standard "vista" pictures).

Need some good karma from my WSG bros,
JWadd

MoonDog
03-27-05, 20:21
Jwadd,

Sorry about the camera loss. You are not alone. Surfer got one stolen in BA a few weeks ago.

Glad it is just the camera, not you. Cameras can be replaced, and there are many garotas waiting to be photographed by you.

Carry on, and enjoy the life,

Moondog

Pluto2
03-28-05, 22:52
I have done my best to make the relevant and accurate. I will try to update this when I return from SP in May. Enjoy

Some useful web sites

Urban Metros World Wide ( English)
Sao Paulo Metro Maps and Information
Site lists all Urban Metros World Wide
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/spau/sao-paulo.htm


City of Sao Paulo Official Metro (site in Port. And English)
Great maps and info.
http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ingles/index.asp

MapLink
http://maplink.uol.com.br/index.asp Great mapping software, can show location and driving directions

Yahoo-Brazil Maps (excellent)
http://br.mapas.yahoo.com/

More Maps
www.apontador.com.br
http://mapas.terra.com.br/mapas/
www.guiamais.com.br

Purchase paper maps
Maps if you plan ahead and want to buy one before you leave
http://www.maps2anywhere.com/Maps/Brazil_map.htm

Translation on the WEB (phenomenal tool)
http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Translates entire web site to/from any language. Not perfect, but darn cool.

Getting around SP safely and efficiently (Forest and Rovnak)

METRO
Upside: fast, clean and reliable. Best option in daytime if your destination is near one of the stations. All travel guides confirm this

Downside: many destinations are not near the stations.
Nighttime Metro: Generally, not recommended for nighttime travel.

TAXIS
Upside: pretty cheap. Two rates, Bandeira A (before 10pm) and Bandeira B (after 10pm).

Downside: traffic can be very bad and distances can be very large depending on point A and point B.

FINDING A SAFE TAXI
Hotels in Sao Paulo all have taxi stands right outside their doors. These stands are populated by drivers whom are approved by the hotel. The same is true of the boites (or at least the ones that I know, such as Bomboa and Millenium). However, waving down a taxi on the street is dicey. This is how people get robbed or worse. Nevertheless, I have done it and have lived to tell the tale. I will say, however, that these are the cab drivers who have tried to charge me double.

If you are in need of a reliable taxi, it is usually a good idea to look for a major hotel and use the cabs lined up outside. Remember, work is hard to find in Sao Paulo, and if you complain, these cab drivers could loose the right to line up outside of whatever location that they work.

TAXI Alternate suggestion: if you can find a reliable cabbie that actually knows his way around, book him in advance and keep him for four hours for approx 120R so that he can wait for you while you take care of business. If you are traveling with 2 or 3 friends this may make a lot of sense.

SURFACE TRAVEL PLANING IN SP
Prepare by getting familiar with the locations of the places you want to go. The best resource for this is the yahoo.com.br "mapas" feature. There you can enter a source address (say your hotel) and a destination address (say Bomboa's address), and it will show you the route and also the taxi fare. For instance most of the taxi fares from my base in Jardim Paulista look to be between 10R for the near places and up to 40R (one way) for the further places.

Tip - Prepare some index cards with the addresses you are considering visiting. Then show the card to the taxi driver to avoid miscommunication. The street names are ridiculously unmemorable in SP. On the front of the card write "Bomboa American Bar" and on the back the full address. Show the taxi driver the address first, and if he is still confused show him the establishment name. And if he is still confused, Get another cab.

WALKING IN SP
As for walking in the streets in Sao Paulo- it’s like any other big city. NEVER recommended at night except in crowded areas. NEVER. It’s just as dangerous as walking at night in Rio. Remember that if you travel alone you are an easier target for bad guys.

Good Places to stay

Jardins, from all accounts, is one of the nicest areas of SP and one of the best places to stay. Listed below are two moderately priced hotels in this are, but there are plenty of others that are probably more luxurious and a lot more money. Demand that “guest fees” be removed from your bill and they will be.

JWADD Both (Hilton www.hilton.com & Mercure) are girl friendly and each one is basically the left and right neighbor of Love Story -- the epicenter of sex in S.P. (more or less). This area is also my favorite part of S.P. -- everything’s in walking distance (and the "mugging level" around here isn't too bad) w/ plenty of restaurants/shops around. Hilton Morumbi also gets high marks.

Rua Augusta in Jardins, more down to earth shops, cafes etc

Mercure Sao Paulo Jardins ($55USD per day approx.)
Hotel code: 3467
Address : ALAMEDA ITU 1151
AT RUA AUGUSTA - CERQUEIRA CESAR
Town : 01421001 SAO PAULO
Country: BRAZIL
Tel : (+55)11/30897555
Fax : (+55)11/30897550
E-mail : reservasmjardins@accorhotels.com.br
http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/index.html
This hotel is part of a large international chain.


Tryp Jardins ($40 USA weekends $50 US weekdays)
Alameda Campinas, 1435 -Jardim Paulista-
01404-002 Sao Paulo ( BRAZIL )
Tel. (+55) 11 38868500
Fax 38868501
http://www.solmelia.com/sol/hoteles/jsp/CHome.jsp?idSolRes=6094
This company’s site has hotels worldwide in their chain.

Weather in Sao Paulo
http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/BRXX0232_f.html (seasonal averages temp and H2O

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/local/BRXX0232?lswe=Sao%20Paulo&lswa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&y=6&x=8
Weather.com up to the minute + history. 10 day forecast kicks A’s

WIKI ON-line Travel Guide
With very intelligent tips, English, plus 3600 other destinations
http://wikitravel.org/en/Brazil Read carefully, 5 minutes well spent OK?

Gringos On-Line Guide
Lots of links on Brazil and Sao Paulo
http://www.gringoes.com/subcategoria.asp?ID_categoria=2&ID_subcategoria=143


Malicia web site (lots of photos of clinic girls and their work places)
http://www.malicia.com.br
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/

Escorts photos and numbers

From STARFE post, recommended escort site
http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=347

From STARFE post, recommended escort site, photos are phenomenal on this site, kudos for the photographer!
http://www.mclass.com.br/scripts/mclass.dll/resp

This place gets mentioned a lot, quality and reliability unknown.
www.sexdreams.com.br

Port. Language site with lots of info on all types of activities and cities
http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/


Bars and Strip Clubs 1st tier clubs

These places are should be first class facilities, staff and management. You are paying top-dollar (300-600R) and should not settle for less. The garotas should run from 7-10s and be able to handle themselves with some class. Most of these places have rooms, but the garotas are also free to leave with you after comping the house. If you take a room on site, you should expect 2-2.5 hrs in it with your garota, ask. Bar and food tabs can be paid with credit cards, “services” must be paid for in cash! Negotiate the price with the garota while you are still in the bar/club. Many of the garotas will give you their cell number if you hit it off, their fees will remain the same. Sounds like Los Vegas before it became a family attraction.

Bomboa American Bar - Pinheiros
R. Capote Valente, 222 SP/SP
Pinheiros - SP - F.
Tel (11) 3064-6494/3063-2944
http://www.bomboa.com.br/
Another popular bar to meet pros
+-150 do programa, this may have gone up too.
This place has a pool, do you bring a swimsuit? Or buff?
ROEBUCK: room R60, or R100 exit fee.
Entry R120 includes, 6 beers, or 4 mixed or 3 top shelf whiskey
Horário: 12:00h às 04:00h
Sábados das 12:00h às 21:00h

Bahamas - Moema
R. dos Chanés, 571-
Telefone: (11) 5542-2748
http://www.cyberbahamas.com.br
- + R$100 ingression + R$70 of the room + GP negotiable (most ask for 200-300)
Flashy, 150 girls, supposedly very "pro" atmosphere. Some love it some hate it
Opens 5 pm and open Sunday
Biggie Smalls has good review, “early Sundays (19hrs) is like shooting fish in a barrel”.

Connection Night Club Strip Club ~ Vila Formosa
Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1.178
Jardim Anália Franco / Tatuapé
Tel: (11) 6674-4702
connectionnightclub@terra.com.br
http://www.connectionvip.com.br
200R for girls in house
COUPE66 reviewed club on WSG

Love Story Centro ~ Republica
Rua Araújo, 232 -
Tel: (11) 231-3101
Entrada R$50,00 (dois drinks)
1/2 entrada R$25 (um drink)
Garotas: R$100 a R$300 (negociação livre com a garota)
http://www.danceterialovestory.com.br/
This place is very loud, so be prepared to shout your price.
Take out only.

Café Millenium ~ Ipiranga
http://www.cafemillenium.com.br/
Rua Coronel Diogo , 1199
Tel: (11) 6914-5588
150,00 garota presentinho (gift)
70,00 quarto (room)
70.00 entrance
near Praca do Monumento
Highly regarded place, some regulars say it is best place in SP now.

Café Gauguin ~ Brooklin
Street Arizona, 1550
(50m of Shopping D&D)
Phone: (11) 5506.5000
www.gauguin.com.br
MOONDOG, Off2Golf & Johnny Jets give positive reviews
Entrance 50R, Rooms on site: 200-300R for girl
Plan on 100-150R for libation

Jardim America ~ Jardim Paulista
Al. Gabriel Monteiro da Silva, 479
tel. 11-3086-0099
(close to Bomboa)
This place closed and remodeled, just reopened
40 GPs, like at Photo, but with rooms on site as well as take out
Assume first tier pricing

Eu & Elas –(Termas) ~ Liberdade
http://www.sperotico.com.br/eu/1.htm
Rua Pires da Mota, 494 (esq. da Av. Aclimação)
Tel.: 11. 3209-2756
supposedly more like smaller Bomboa
Gift 100-150R + 40 quarto + 80 entrada

Café Photo
Av. Hélio Pellegrino, 480 -
Tel.: +55-11-3849.2333 –
E-mail: info@cafephoto.com.br
Entrance fee R$160 includes 4 drinks.
http://www.cafephoto.com.br/
This is an expensive bar-restaurant where pros can be met
Dress nicely
Girls want 200-300R for their services for Brazilian guys
And 300-400 for foreigners, take out only
Girl drinks run 30-80R, can get expensive fast

W.E. (New high end place)~ Bela Vista
Rua Peixoto Gomide 263 (or 269?)
Consumação R$150
Red: R$250 + 10% Red=bottle of Johnny Walker for your use.
Gift: R$600 na casa por 2-2:30 hr.
Sair do local R$800 e você combia o tempo com a garo
This place and Jardim America are Jardins area alternatives to Photo.
Both have a fixed stable, and rooms. Prices are high, but quality is too.

Donna Café ~ Pinheiros
R. Henrique Schaumann, 140 - Pinheiros
Tel: 3082-6667
http://www.donnacaffe.com.br/
Donna Cafe is about 2 blocks from Jd America,
Bomboa is 5 blocks up from Donna Cafe
Donna Cafe gets started late. Try to get there after 10pm.
“More upscale than Kilt or Vagao, full notch or two below Photo in class”.

Kilt Shows Strip Club
R. Nestor Pestana, 266
Tel: 258 7207
http://www.kiltshows.com.br
30R entrance fee, girls 200R to go, no rooms.
This place got good reviews and more recently bad ones.
A few drinks and no action can cost over 300R
JWADD prefers three places across the street for slightly less attractive
and substantially less money with FS available on site.


RUA AUGUSTA 2nd & 3rd tier clubs ~ Consolacao

These places should be clean, well maintained-basic facilities and professionally run with no hassles, the same for the rooms. The quality of the staff should run 4-8s with no Harvard grads. Typical visit will probably be 1hr. for 75-100R unless you want to hang around for some reason? Street should be well lit and safe. The staff is freshest when they arrive, so arrive early. Most of these places should open around noon and 14:00hrs Any comments in this area will be helpful especially the exact addresses or landmarks.

Boate Balneario ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta just above 300 North, Near Centro
Entrance 20R sauna & 1 beer
Room: 22R for 40 min. Garota: 50R = 90-95R
This place has a large line up and good reviews
Should be first or second stop on Rua Augusta

Night House ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta, 723
Near cross street: Antonia de Queiroz
Tel: (11) 3259-5428
Prices: Entrance 10R, Beer: 7R ea.
Room: R17 Simple w/o Shower, or 22R "Suite"
Garota R50/40min, must negotiate with the girl
10+22+50= 82R
Girls vary; line up 12, well established house,
Should be first or second stop when shopping Augusta


New Maison Sauna
Rua Augusta
Across from Biblos
Mostly good reviews, large line up
Girls vary, 7R entrance, =80R 1hr.


Nova Babilonia ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta 781
http://www.novababilonia.com.br/ ?
Tel 11 3257-6185
Entrance 5R, Room: 15R, Program 50R =70R
Girls vary, mostly good reviews

Boate Le Paris
Rua Augusta
Clean house, girls vary
75R 40min

Reffered to as “Casarão –(The Large House)”
Rua Augusta, next to Blue Night
Address?
Large staff early 20s, =R75 45min.
Good reviews, staff varies

Biblos
Rua Augusta
=70R 45 min. 5R entrance fee
Some good reviews, girls vary
Rooms just OK

Boate Café Hut ~ Consolacao
Rua Augusta 590
Tel.: 3259-8072
Entrance: 5R, Garota 50R, Room 15R =70R


AVOID
Blue Night, Tieta, Caribbean, Emanuelle
Rua Augusta
Consistent Bad reviews
If you have to, stick your head in Blue Night someone claimed to like the staff.





Appartments/ Privates

There are probably 200+ of these places; this is a sample of the ones visited by people that use their computers. If you are a local business man and need service during regular business hours, these are the places for you. You enter, there is a reception area where there is a line-up and you make your pick. Should be fixed prices, deal with the madam. The girls will vary; take the thin ones that the local guys probably don’t like. Oral no-condom and kissing are almost standard, anal is frequent. Call for hours or to reserve a garota. Pay cash.


Prive do Hector ~ Brooklin
Rua Bartolomeu Feio, 483
Brooklin - São Paulo - SP
Tel: (11) 5044-2872 / 5041-0249
http://www.privedohector.com
Open 10-02:00 hrs.
½ hr 40R, 1 hr 60R FS
12 girls on shift, 1/3 do greek
Ayla, Dani and Flavia Brenda are all popular with the Brazilian guys
This place has a large and loyal following


R. Gabriel Piza, 515 ~ Santana
½ hr 40R, 1 hr 80R FS
Opens 10:00 hrs til 02:00 hrs
Loyal following, 6-12 line up
Facility is clean and in good repair; “new rooms 80R” are 20R more than “old rooms”
Girls may be fresher than most of the other places and are reported to be more attractive, higher pay.

Desojes Prive ~ Santa Cruz
Rua dos Otonis, 541
Tel: (11) 5579-2228
http://www.desejosprive.com.br
½ hr 30R, 1 hr 60 FS
Photos of site look clean and well maintained
Priscila for greek very popular


R. Pitangueiras 125 ~ Pç da Árvore
TEL: 11-578-6877
Price 20R ½ hr, 40R FS 1 hr
Hours: opens 10-11hrs
Facility is getting tired and needs a rebuild
Simone is the Greek champion
Reviews of the girls (4-6 in line-up) are pretty good, loyal following.


R. Barão de Limeira, 134 (Prédio só de Privês) ~ St. Cecília
Near: metro Republica
8 story building referred to in WSG posts
This place is popular with locals; some WSG reports report mostly low quality at 1R per minute.

Clinicas

These are an upgrade from the privates and the 2nd and 3rd tier clubs. You are still talking about one hour, the quality can be quite good. There are many to choose from and most get good reviews. Check the web sites, while not all inclusive they are reported to be mostly accurate. Excellent middle of the road alternative.

Clínica Antares ~ Pç da Árvore
Av. Bosque da Saúde, 268
Tel: 578-9389 / 5078-8579
www.clinicaantares.com.br
Metro: Pc da Avore, 1 block walk
R130 FS, 1 hr
Anal few, oral w/o std. kiss some.
Loyal and happy following: web site accurate, book ahead recommended.
M-F: 11hrs ~ 22:00hrs; Sat: 11-20hrs
Good first stop at Clinicas

Discount cupons Antares:
Site Malícia: www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/f.../cupom.htm
Site SexDreams: www.sexdreams.com.br/promocoes/cupom_antares.html


Clinica Brooklin ~ Brooklin
Rua Joaquim Guarani 121 - Brooklin - SP/SP
Fone 5181-8000 / 5183-4555 / 5183-8764
http://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br
Preço : 110 Reais , massagem com programa.

Bermuda (good reviews) ~ Brooklin
Rua Ana Alvim 214 –
Tel. (11) 5182 6117
http://www.clinicabermudas.com.br/
1h00 R80,00-130,00

Clinica Cherry ~ Campo Belo
Rua Pascal, 2019 –
Near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport
Tel: (11) 5041-2119 / 5044-5696
http://www.clinicacherry.com.br
1h00: R$ 110.00 – 1h 160,00
Loyal happy customers

Clínica Francebel ~ Campo Belo
Rua Pascal, 1634
Campo Belo
Tel: 11-5533-6955
WSG site has many good reviews
Starfe: gets FS for 220 total, Room - 120R + Girl - 50R + 50R tip
If you believe the Brazilian site, they get little action here
http://www.francebel.com.br

CLINICA Chantily – (good reviews) ~ Campo Belo
Rua Sapoti, nº 41 - Close to:. Aeroporto de Congonhas
Tel: 11-5041-7740
http://www.clinicachantilly.com.br/
½ hr 60R, 1hr 90R full service

Clinica Kin (lots of good reviews) ~ Campo Belo
Rua Visconde de Aguiar Toledo, 358 - Campo Belo
near São Paulo - Congonhas Airport
Tel: 11-5533-4722
http://www.clinicakin.com.br/
1h00 80-90R basic, full service 150R

Clínica Abbóbora ~ Aeroporto
Av. Miruna, 644 • Moema •
Close to: Aeroporto de Congonhas
Tel: (11) 5092-5787 / 5092-4168
www.abbobora.com.br
1 hr full service 120R

Ching Ling ~ Campo Belo
Rua Dr. Jesuíno Maciel, 1.755 -
Tel (11) 5093 6952
http://www.chingling.com.br/
M-F 11-22hr Sat 12-20hr
Prices? Call
Pics of Cindy are impressive, but no Greek

Clínica Berrini (good reviews ++) ~ Campo Belo
Avenida Roque Petroni Jr., 245
Entre os bairros de e Brooklin Paulista
Tel: 5182-1300
http://www.berrinimassagem.com.br
½ hr 80R – 1hr 120R FS

Clínica Quatro Estações (Four Seasons, good reviews++) ~ Vila Mariana
Rua Loefgreen, 1438 -
Metrô Santa Cruz.
Tel (11) 5083 4100
www.quatroestacoesvip.com.br
½ h00 complete 100,00 1h00 complete 140,00

CLÍNICA WASHI ~ Vila Mariana
Rua Doutor José Queirós Aranha, 148
Close to: estação Ana Rosa
Tel: 11- 5579-8587
½ hr 70R, 1 hr 100R full service
No web site, reviews are good.
Looks like staff is 8-10 girls probably not all at once

CLÍNICA BANGKOK ~ Vila Mariana
Praça Monteiro dos Santos, 65
tel.: 5573-4691
Call, this place may be out of business

Clínica Zen ~ Vila Mariana
Endereço: Conselheiro Rodrigues Alves, 516 –
Close to Metro Ana Rosa
Tel: 11-3486-8634
http://www.clinicazen.com.br
100R full service 1 hr


CLÍNICA ANEESH ~ Pompéia
DIREÇÃO: JAQUELINE( EX-TENTAÇÃO)
Rua Tavares Bastos, 543
(travessa da Av. Pompéia, próximo ao Hospital )
(30ish and black girls, photos not bad, aggressive pricing)
TEL: 3673-0480
www.aneesh.com.br
½ hr 50R 1hr 70 complete

Shangri-la ~ Perdizies
Av Pompeia, 1062 - SP/SP
Close to hospital Sao Camilo
Tel: 3873-7739
http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanh...ics/03048/
1 hr 100R full service

Clínica Dra. Oyama ~ Vila Clementino
Rua do Otonis, 694
Near Hospital Sao Paulo
Staff on site looks like 7-10s and thin, all positive reviews
Tel: 11-5572-2498 e 5572-7286
http://www.dra-oyama.com.br
1 hr 120-130R full service, check the price my P is not very good.
Everyone is doing Vanessa Greek

CLÍNICA NEW TIME (good reviews) ~ Liberdade
Rua Nilo,395,
Cross Street: Do Paraíso
In front of Tênis Clube Paulista and close to Hospital Santa Joana
Tel (11) 287-9593
½ hr 80R, 1hr 100R full service, 12 -17:00 hrs, prices go up 20R later
Daniela (dani?) is a favorite of the customers

Clinica Sensualite - Lapa
R. Aurélia, 1526
Tel: (11) 3801-1450
No web site seen
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80R full service, cash price
This place appears to be new and busy, good reviews

Clínica The Palms (this is the high-end) ~ Vila Olímpia
Rua Gomes de Carvalho 416 - V.Olimpia
Midway between Brooklin & Jardines
Major cross street Marginal Pinheiros & Av. Dos Bandeirantes
tel. 11 3044 0366
e-mail thepalms@thepalms.com.br
http://www.thepalms.com.br/ (Site in English and Port)
M-F 11-23 hr, Sat 11-21:30 hr
Staff looks great 8-10s in web photos, can reserve in advance.
Prices look like 100R for house, 200-250R for the girl,
call in advance for prices it appears they speak English.
Recommended to get basic massage + full service to control cost.

SAUNA HOUSE ~ Bela Vista
Avenida Brigadeiro Luís Antônio, 1.278
Tel: 11-288-1818 e 288-9856
Estacionamento com manobrista
Appear to offer outcall
Hours 13:00 til 03:00 M-F, close at 02:00 on Saturday
http://www.saunahouse.com.br still under construction, so info is minimal
Drink plus girl 245R, full service
Looks like staff is 6-8 girls, reviews are positive

Mansão 138 ~ Jardim do Mar
Rua Espérico, 138
São Bernardo do Campo
Cross street: Av Kennedy & Praca Kenzo Uemura
011 4125-3836 4121-1413
www.mansaoelite.com.br
Massage HJ 80R 1 hr, Full service 130R 1 hr
Facility looks nice in web site 8 girls +

MILLENIUM ~ Jardim do Mar
Rua Baffin, 166 –
Jardim do mar - São Bernardo do Campo - SP
Tel: 11-4121-2841
1 hr full service 90R

Love Massage ~ Jardim do Mar
Rua José Monteiro Filho, 85 –
Jardim do Mar – São Bernardo do Campo – SP
Tel: 11-4332-5304
½ hr 60R, 1 hr 90R full service, 2 girls 130R
3-5 girls per shift

My Way ~ Itiam Bibi
Rua Leopoldo Couto Magalhães Jr. n. 777
Cross Street: Brig Faria Lima
Tel: 11-3078-3642 11-3078-6074
www.clinicamyway.com.br (Eng and Port web site)
15 girls, look thin, young and great in pics 8s & 10s
Looks like 1 hr is 100R plus tip, 50 oral, 100R vag. 250R is a typical price
Hours 12:00 to 22:00 M-F, Sat 12-20hrs

La Fleur de Jour ~ Vila Congonhas
Rua Baronesa de Bela Vista, 471
Tel: 5561-0126 / 5533-5030
Giovana, Theis and Desise for Greek
http://www.lafleurdejour.com.br
10+ girls 6-8 Vanessa and Rosianne look good in pics
Looks like 150R full service 1hr, call

Relaxe sem stress
Rua Eng° Figueiredo, 15 (trav. R. Bagé)
Tel: 11-5575-8847 e 5574-0983
No web site, looks like manual only, call

Clinica Femenna ~ Saude
Rua Guapiacu 45
Cross street: Av Jose Maria Whitaker, 400 block
Very close to Moema
Tel: 11-5581-0303
www.clinicafemenna.com.br
½ hr 60R, 1hr 80 full service
Hours 10-21hrs M-F, Sat 10-20hrs
10+ girls on staff 5-7s

Clinica Diva
Rua Antônio de Castro Mendonça Furtado, 180
Close to: Raposo Tavares.
Tel: 11-3726-7122
Hours: 11-?
150 hr full service
10-12 girls on staff
Call I can’t find it with mapping SW

Starfe
03-29-05, 00:24
Now we need a special thread so you're info stays on the front burner for all of us to keep tabs on. You have done incredible work for the S.P. travelers. This is as good as anything on the Buenos Aires boards.

Well done

Starfe

Rovnak
03-29-05, 08:59
Bars and Strip Clubs 1st tier clubs[/u]

These places are should be first class facilities, staff and management. You are paying top-dollar (300-600R) and should not settle for less. The garotas should run from 7-10s and be able to handle themselves with some class. Most of these places have rooms, but the garotas are also free to leave with you after comping the house. If you take a room on site, you should expect 2-2.5 hrs in it with your garota, ask. Bar and food tabs can be paid with credit cards, “services” must be paid for in cash! Negotiate the price with the garota while you are still in the bar/club. Many of the garotas will give you their cell number if you hit it off, their fees will remain the same. Sounds like Los Vegas before it became a family attraction.I haven't been there yet, but from what I've read, what you have written applies to the TOP tier, or however, you reorder the list.

The "high society" (my term) or "whiskey club" style clubs that try to cultivate a very "elite" atmosphere and the women are fully clad as opposed to scantily clad. Its those few places where you pay top $$$ for typically at least 2 hours or more. I beleive the GPs here typically turn just one customer per night.

This would list of places would be restricted to Cafe Photo, Jardim America, and the W.E., I think.

Just below them, and very different in style and atmosphere are the other clubs like Bomboa, Millenium, Bahamas, etc. These definitely belong in a different "category" than the social/whiskey style clubs. In these "second tier?" places the girls are scantily clad. There are rooms on premises. The basic sessions are for one hour (or less). And the prices are accordingly less than the clubs I mentioned above.

You may need to insert another tier
Top - Photo , JA, W.E
2nd tier - the remaining ones you have currenlty listed in 1st tier
then bump the current 2nd down to 3rd tier etc.

Genghis Khan
03-29-05, 11:01
Pluto2,

I will be in Sao Paulo in May too. From 12 to 21 to be exact.
Any chances of a meet?

GK

Junior
03-29-05, 19:13
Fellow hobbyists.

I spend a couple of nights in SP with my travelling companion JWadd enjoying the hospitality and companionship of the local service industry.

First night was a sunday so some of the usual places were closed. We decided to head to a club called moulin rouge. The places was almost empty with about 20 girls and a handful of clients. Anyway i quickly choose a pair of lovely fake blond ladies to join me in the upstairs rooms. The warm up in the bar area was very good with lots of lap dancing and kissing. The first disappointment in the room was that the oral sex was covered only - this sucks. The second and even bigger problem was the lack of aircon. I actually had to interrupt the session to take a shower to cool down a bit. All in all not a place i would recommend.

The following day we visited cafe millenium which has evolved nicely since my last trip to Sp a year ago. I still think they have the best onsite rooms in SP, esp. the big suite with a huge jacuzzi and bed. The girls are also better looking than last year.
I was quite sold of to a lovely big tittet fake blond from fortaleza. We asked a friend of hers to join in and off we went. First we spend some fun time palying around in the jacuzzi and then off to the big bed where we did a full hour of nice things. all in all a very good session.

we also had the oppertunity to visit bomboa twice. This is one of my favorite places as I think the atmosphere is very nice and party like. First night we just hung out and relaxed for a while. That was until i spoke Paula dancing around the poole - she looked to damned good - the perfect morena hardbody and with the amazing dancing moves that only a brasiliera will show you. So I quickly decided for a take-out for the night. R500 was the price which was for the full night, actually it turned out to include breakfast at the hotel. Once we got back at the hotel she was even more beautiful and her attitude was just as good as in the club. After a quick shower we were off to the races. Sex in various positions and then just as I was about to come she jumped off and told me to come in her mouth - my kind of lady. The next morning we repeated the program and relaxed a while before heading down for breakfast. Very high marks goes out to paulo - just look at the dance floor and you will know which of the girls is my beloved paula.
Also did an onsite session with beautfiul blond, previously from centaurus in Rio, she was however to professional and unengaged in the sex.

JWadd took my around to see some of the clubs around rua agusta - generally speaking i think these clubs are a waste of time. the girls were not too attractive compared to the higher end places. Kilt deserves a special mention as a complete drinks ripoff -stay away guys.

Next we were off to fortaleza - more too follow.

WolfPack
03-30-05, 06:17
Sup junior and Jwadd. I was at milinium last night also. That place is off the hook. I had no idea that it would be that good in there. Just got back from Bahamas. That place is really good also. Its amazing. Its definately more expensive than Rio but there are models everywhere in SP. I'm glad I came to SP cause I needed a change of pace from Rio. If you guys are still in SP give me a shout.

The pack.

Biggie Smalls
03-30-05, 13:34
Before I start, my hats off to Junior for another, "Fuck Kilt". Thank you. Gringoes should boycott. Now lets move on to my real reason for posting. Francebel.

Gentleman, did the Francebel Clinica yesterday. I think it www.francebel.com.br I've only done one other massage/clinica type place here in Sao Paulo in all the time Ive lived here. It was Clinica Antares. Not complaining about Antares. I would return there. I mean you get the full package for 120 Reis. Pretty girls. Good deal. But as far as the set up and professionalism, it cant touch Francebel. Only some of the girls were working at Antares the day, I went, and the massage sucked (not that we really go for the massage). But again, for a 120 session, its a good choice not knocking it. Just using it as a point of reference for comparrison. That was last fall, I have not went back to any clinica since. Just didnt light my fire and I prefer the boate scene.

So, I got a friend coming in Friday for the weekend. I want to show him a real good time, so I decide being the good friend that I am, that I would go out this week and test drive some girls and locations to try and find some new things to show him. Different from his last trip here. Man, the work I do for my friends.

I ended up at Francebel yesterday, about 530. This place was nice. Very nice. The first thing that caught me by suprise, was I immediately wanted to bed the 3 receptionist. They were smoking hot and werent even the gp's! The one explained everything to me and gave me a short tour. Left me in the picture room. This room is so cool. They got photos pinned up in displays covering the whole room. Under the photo is the girls name and stats. Under that is a half green/half red wheel like you find at a churrascaria. Red up means the girls is in session. Green up, she is free. Half up, means she is about 10 minutes from being freed.

You guys, I am picky, but by the pictures, I'd bang 99% of the girls in there if I met them at a club. And Id pay for a sesson with about 75%. There was some lookers. And get this, they were all working! They all work everyday, all day. Not like some clinicas where the girl is only there on certain days at certain hours. All there, all day. So cool.

If your dream girl is busy, go to the bar, take a sauna, whatever, and come back in 45 minutes. I didnt have that much free time, so I "settled" for a 19 year old maybe half asian with somewhat sexy photos. She was my morena type, but with no chest in the pictures. Now, I prefer either very small natural chest/no chest or big and fake. Just my putting my preferences out there in case you ever go shopping for me :)

She showed up to the room, different. Had dyed her hair blond and got a tit job. But she was smoking hot. Way hotter than her pictures. Trying to make this shorter, she gave an awesome massage. She had a fun personality. She negotiated for R150. We agreed and got to having "relations" as she called it...ha ha. Very good and sweaty "relations".

So, to sum it up. The overall experience was great. Especially for a break in my normal routine of Boates in Sampa. I paid a total of R350. This included the room, the girl, a haircut, tanning bed session (yes Im trying to be a pretty boy), alot of relaxing and 3 showers over a few hour period. The tanning bed sucked (very nice but got no color from it, bulbs are probably too old). The haircut was good. Found a new excuse to end up there every few weeks when Im do for a hair cut.

Im going to pick my friend up Friday and go straight there. Probably have coffee, do a session, sit in the sauna for a couple hours relaxing, do another session. Who knows, get my first manicure...ha ha. Its like a "day at the spa" for your wife, but for mongering dudes like us, pretty cool!

Hope this educates and helps.

Biggie Smalls

Havahopeful
03-30-05, 16:10
First off thanks to everyone for all of the great information posted in this section.

I am going to Brazil for the second time in the last week of May. I am travelling with a friend who is a first timer. I have a girlfriend in Rio that I am going to see, but wanted to show my friend a wild time, have one myself and see a new city while I am at it, so I will spend a weekend in Sao Paulo before going to Rio for the week and having my girlfriend latch on.

I have seen various postings here regarding different locations and prices, but unless I misunderstand all the prices are negotiated. I do not like to negotiate prices with garotas as it takes something away from the experience for me and makes me feel like I am back at work!!!

That is why the Termas and agencies in Rio are ideal for me.

I saw a previous post that referenced a Terma in Sao Paulo, but then I saw another saying there is no such thing. Also I have gone on the M-Class site and am having a little trouble navigating it with my limited Portuguese.

My question are any of the escort agencies reliable and also set price as they are in Rio? or are they more independents?

Also are any of these boites set priced like the Termas, I like the idea of the nightclub feel but just don't want to sit there haggling over dollars with a girl I am trying to have sex with. At the same time I really don't want to overpay and screw things up for everyone else.

Thanks for any help

Starfe
03-30-05, 18:24
Has been dissapointing for me over my last 4 trips.

Each girl you see is an independent.Try ellas and stay with the girls that show there face. Its a lot easier to throw them out without asking them to remove their pants to see if the ass shot is the one in the photo. Figure spending 100 u.s. including cab fare.

Francebel Clinica takes all the guess work out. I am doing less escorts and more of that. On my first few trips I only saw escorts but it has gotten much more difficult to get the girls you booked lately.

Starfe

"screw things up for everyone else" : Ive done that already so don't worry.

Hot To Cool
03-30-05, 18:59
Havahopeful,

There are several boites, Estrelinhas do Parque, to name one, near the bus station Dom Pedro II and the park of the same name. This is in central or downtown Sao Paulo. There is no entry fee, but just a one drink minimum of 3-5R. The cost of the deed is about 30R for 30 minutes or 60 R for 60 minutes, in rooms on premises.

Hot To Cool

Rovnak
03-30-05, 19:20
Starfe,

Have you tried to arrange outside sessions with any of the Francebel girls?

I agree that the face is the differentiator as far as looks go. I mean, by American standards, nearly ALL of the escorts have smoking bodies, so what really sets one apart from the other would be face and of course service. There's no way I'm going to send for a escort in Brasil without seeing her face. There are too many other options where you can select from a live collection rather than an old photo.

Turbo Sport
03-31-05, 00:25
An amazing list. I did check some of the websites out. Mama mia what beautiful girls you have in Brazil!

Starfe
03-31-05, 02:58
Only 1. Helen who later posted her pics on MCLASS. She is no longer listed at the massage house or Mclass. I assume any of the girls would give you there #for the right price. There is so much to pick from I really never bothered since Helen.

Khunjbl
03-31-05, 04:31
Havahopeful,
Sp is great and if you think you will like the night club scene ... you are wrong ..you will love it.
I would not worry about negotiating prices... just pay between 150- 250 reals. I have never had to do much negotiating. Some higher end places you might end up paying around 300 reals though. I usually offer R$ 150 and tell them if they are outstanding then I will tip them another 50 reals.
I wouldn't suggest SP on the weekend though.. especially not for your first time there. Tues- Thurs is really good, but not as much talent around on the weekend. Make sure you hit Cafe Millenium .. tons of talent there right now .
Enjoy

MoonDog
04-01-05, 06:38
Thanks for your efforts. That is an excellent source of info.

Moondog

MoonDog
04-01-05, 06:40
Arrived on Tuesday morning with plans to for my co-worker and I to meet LAGuy and Off2golf and one of his co-workers for dinner and fun that night. My girl, J, would join us later at Café Gauguin, and my ex girl friend P, would be there. J was going to try and bring the girl we had from Bomboa last time, but was unable to get in touch with her. In any case, it all fell into place quite nicely.

The plan was to get some sleep first, then give LAGuy a call. I called him when I first got in, and we set up a place to meet for lunch. After a good lunch and talk, he headed back to a meeting, and I headed to Balneario, on Rua Augusta, and had a session with one of the girls there. Getting back to the room brought on a sinking spell, and I took a nap for about an hour. I met my co-worker and LAGuy in the hotel lobby, and we got in one of the hotel cars and headed for the Hilton Morombi.

Off2Golf met us downstairs and brought up to the executive lounge for some drinks and snacks. It was a nice atmosphere to renew and establish new friendships, and after about an hour, we headed to Jardineiragrill, www.jardineiragrill.com.br. It is one of the best I have ever experienced, as you never had to lift a finger for anything. The waiters were right there for everything at just the right moment. Soon it was time to head to Café Gauguin.

I had met one of the waiters the week before, and had called him earlier that day. He was expecting us, and took me into the club and pointed out P to me. She looked good as ever and was her old spunky self, dancing around and loving to be the center of attention. We talked at length, and when talking to her, I let her know that my three years with her were great, and that I really enjoyed our company together. She had some family problems, and left SP to take care of them. That is why there was no contact for so long. In any case, we parted friends, and she understood about my having a new girl. She then started talking to another guy in the club. The rest of us ordered some drinks, and the other 4 guys quickly adopted themselves to the ladies at hand. J showed up looking great, she met P, and we set out to find a girl or two for some fun. LAGuy was feeling a bit under the weather, and so he bowed out early.

You have to see J’s interaction with the guys and the various girls. It is something to behold, as she is secretly interviewing the girls to see if they are compatible with her. I had one pretty blonde next to me for a while, and wanted her to join us. J told me no, as all she wanted was money, and did not want to share me with her. Ok, scratch that one. I later walked J to the ladies’ room, and was pretending on walking in with her when a sexy black girl grabbed her and pulled her into one of the stalls. I started laughing, and waited for her outside. While waiting, there was a pretty blonde girl sitting outside just resting. I started playing with her hair and making small talk, when J and her new friend came out of the bathroom. The two of them started in on me about messing around with another girl, with a third girl joining them as well. I fully enjoyed the “punishment” and that got them going even more. Then it was back to the table for some drinks and more punishment for having so many ex girlfriends in the same club. They were having a ball with me, and I looked at J, and asked her if she was ready for all four of us to go to the room. She was enthusiastic, and the black girl was a wild child, both in and out of the room. I am not going into details, but suffice to say it was a mistake to have left my camera back at the hotel, as these girls were up for anything, including movies and photos. Next time I will bring it. We closed the place down around 3:30, and headed back to the hotel for some much needed sleep.

P and I still wanted to talk some more, and I had slipped her my phone number and told her to call late in the afternoon. She called around 12:30 when J was still there and wanted to go out shopping as she knew that I had some things to buy. I quickly reduced the volume of the phone so that J could not hear a female voice on the other end, but I’m sure she had an idea as to who it was. I told P to call me back around 5. J was good about the call, and did not ask any questions. Later on, after having room service, she said that she was sometimes a bit jealous. I just told her that, yes, I liked the girls, loved the tits and the sex, but I was not having affairs with any of them, and not helping any of them out the way I was helping her. Just then, with her watching, I transferred her next month’s school tuition into her account for her. She just smiled and gave me a kiss. She is so open and accommodating with me, but just needed a bit of reassurance. She left for school, I did my shopping, P never called again, and so I headed down to Balneario again and hooked up with a favorite there. All too soon, two days came to a close, and I hated to leave.

Café Gauguin is not for the faint of heart as far as pricing goes, but it is a great club to take a few friends to be in a relatively quiet environment. The girls are beautiful, the rooms upstairs are quite nice, and the management is very hospitable, friendly, and honest. The total bill for 4 of us for admission and drinks for all the girls was R$1600. Add to that my additional share of the room, R$80, R$250 each for the two girls, drinks in the room, and my share was about R$1220 or about $447 U.S. for hours of fun and games and having three Brasilerias all to myself.

One more thing, Terma Square, which used to be located near Big Ben and the Kilt, is now closed.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Off Road
04-03-05, 17:47
The Kilt changed ownership a few months back. Tanya (the owner) iwas the owner for many years, she sold to several male investors.

The quality of the Kilt has gone downhill for years, changing from businessmen to locals. I only went there because I knew a lot of the people there, but have not been for about 6 months.

As you can all read, the newer places that are not in Centro are nicer and have higher quality girls.

Rovnak
04-03-05, 19:45
this is a quick report from sp. i arrived friday morning after a long flight. caught the airport bus from cug to mercure trianon. the bus drivers took me right to my hotel even though it was not an official stop. i had planned on getting off at the maksoud plaza and taking short cab to mercure. but bus drivers took me right there, and then the porter insisted on going into the reception to ask them to explain to me that for the return i had to go to maksoud, which i already knew. very nice. mercure trianon is good deal, given the internet discount at 110r per night. high speed internet, modern clean rooms.

friday night, i went to millenium. all the service people there are very attentive and friendly. bartenders are great. i met an american expat at the bar who wanted to know how i could find millenium on my first night in brasil. i said i do my research. anyway, the facilities at millenium are great. the talent on friday night was poor for that club according to the expat. he said this was the b team. still there were probably about 50 gps and 25 men. i chatted up a few, and after a few hours of waiting for the next sophia loren, i decided to go with the first one i had talked to when i had arrived several hours earlier. she was a cute little morena. not beatiful, but cute, more girlish than i usually select. typical morena body, small chest, nice bottom. the session was not spectacular. i would say it was acceptable but not anything to write about. i did take a few pictures, but it was more comical than i had intended it to be. she was doing me reverse cowgirl and i was taking some pix of that behind, and eveytime the flash went off she stopped and insisted on seeing the picture. needless to say, this was funny but interrupted the pace. unfortunately, i erased the pictures. that is in next tale.

saturday afternoon i walked from my hotel to check out a clinica sauna house, just to kill some time since it was not too far from hotel and i always walk around as much as i can in a new city. yikes, terrible vibe. i walked in, saw some depressed massagistas sitting around and walked out. definitely, not recommended, though i sort of knew that going in. nothing lost however.

at 5:00 i went to bomboa. great, great vibe. they had a live band that was just wonderful. i was happy just to listen to the music and drink my beer and eye some of the candy. it was not crowded, but it was lively. atmosphere was much more "fun" than millenium. maybe 50 gps instead of the 200 they supposedly have during midweek. i talked to luis for a while, practising my portuguese. talked to a few gps. i may have seen junior's paula, there was a "dark skinned" morena dancing with incrediblly fast feet. and i bet i talked to the same blonde from rio that junior mentioned. how many other "from rio" blondes could there be in bomboa. she was prettier from a distanct than up close as her mouth was less attractive when speaking, if you get my drift. i passed.

then one saw me swaying to the music in the back and came up to me, wrapped me up, put her twinling eyes right up to mine, and kissed me so passionately my knees practically buckled. it was defintiely "on" with this one. i don't know if i would have picked her on looks alone, though she made my head spin when she walked by, but the way she kissed erased any doubt. after about 30 minutes of getting to know one another bomboa style. we went to room. all i can say is that it was out of this world. she was short with a narrow waist and big curvy violin like hips (the way i like them), velvet smooth skin, light borown auburn hair. after this dynamite session, we drank a bit, then i payed bar fine and she came back to my hotel at 9pm. we made love twice more before trying to fall asleep, then once more during the weest hours of the night, and once again in the morning before she left at noon. the harder i gave it to her the harder she wanted it. i just wish i knew how to make better sex talk in portuguese since that was the only element missing on my part, though she kept up a steady stream of "deliciousa ... gostosa ... foge me(sp?)" and i don't know what else. the only negative, is that she wanted me to come as well every time, and felt bad if i did not come too. while i can bang all night, i can't come on demand, nor do i care, but its hard to express that in beginners portuguese.

needless to say i am dehydrated and played out. oh, i erased the pix of the millenium gp from my camera, because i was hoping to get some of this bomboa lady, and i realized that if she asked to see the pix too, she would probably not be happy about seeing another. anyway, the follow through is that now she wants to spend the rest of the week with me after she returns from visiting parents three days from now. i am torn, because we really click well together and she is very sweet in addition to being fabulous in bed. but i am concerned because, in her own words, she is already getting emotionally attached to me. she said she will not work at bomboa this week because she only wants to be with me, or stay home. i made it clear that i will return to us and have no idea if or when i will return to brasil and i did not want to spend more time with her if she will be sad when i leave. so it is a tough choice. i will decide in three days. i guess most guys on this board have had similar choices in this incredible place. i figured this would happen to me.

MoonDog
04-04-05, 08:37
I am torn, because we really click well together and she is very sweet in addition to being fabulous in bed. But I am concerned because, in her own words, she is already getting emotionally attached to me. She said she will not work at Bomboa this week because she only wants to be with me, or stay home. I made it clear that I will return to US and have no idea if or when I will return to Brasil and I did not want to spend more time with her if she will be sad when I leave. So it is a tough choice. I will decide in three days. I guess most guys on this board have had similar choices in this incredible place. I figured this would happen to me.
Rovnak,

Do not worry about having a special girl for a few days, as it can be quite nice. Have your fun, buy her a few things, treat her nice. Just remember that she will be right back in Bomboa the minute you leave. You can have a great time without getting emotional about it.

Nice report, thenks. :)

Moondog

Rovnak
04-04-05, 15:10
Moondog,

Thanks for feedback. I am not "worried" about her being back in Bomboa. I wish she was back to Bomboa THIS week, so I could take it one day at a time.

I'm worried about her coming on too strong about "waiting for me to return" and "you are the man of my life" and stuff like that. Maybe this is par for the course, with Brasileiras, you seem to juggle quite a few "girlfriends".

Of course the other thing is the opportunity cost, in terms of the girls I will not get to see if I'm spending entire days with this one :) That is my issue.

So there is a bit of a calculus to process here. Appreciate the feedback from veteran like yourself.

MoonDog
04-04-05, 17:45
Moondog,

Thanks for feedback. I am not "worried" about her being back in Bomboa. I wish she was back to Bomboa THIS week, so I could take it one day at a time.

I'm worried about her coming on too strong about "waiting for me to return" and "you are the man of my life" and stuff like that. Maybe this is par for the course, with Brasileiras, you seem to juggle quite a few "girlfriends".

Of course the other thing is the opportunity cost, in terms of the girls I will not get to see if I'm spending entire days with this one :) That is my issue.

So there is a bit of a calculus to process here. Appreciate the feedback from veteran like yourself.
Actually, tell her right up front that you want to see other girls. She might even go for a dupla or tripla. They can be a lot of fun. On the other hand, she may not want to share you like that.

In any case, Brasileras respect you when you tell them how it is, and if you really want to see numerous girls, then do it. You only live once. I've been lucky in that my girlfriends have always been accomodating in my need to see other girls, as long as they were the main girl. They have allowed many twosomes and threesomes, and it has been an absolute blast.

Be up front with her, and see how she reacts. If she is up for it, take her out to a club to pick out another girl. That can be a lot of fun. If not, make a decision, and move in the direction you feel most comfortable with.

Moondog

JavMav
04-04-05, 17:51
Reviewing Pluto's excellent list.

From reading the translated version of GPGUIA, I was under the impression that Kilt has on-site facilities. Not true? Also, going price is reported closer to 100.

In town now. Anybody around today, PM!

Jav

Kinesics
04-04-05, 19:27
Great Time with Fellow Players

As articulated and reported by Moondog, I along with my local staff (Alfredo) had great time with Moondog, his associate and LaGuy (ID on this board) in Café Gauguin after the dinner at my favorite barbeque restaurant in Sao Paulo – Jardinneira Grill.

Café Gauguin has definitely different flare and persona from Photo, Bahamas, Bomboa, Connections or Millennium. It was Tuesday evening and somewhat slow night – number of clients and talents as well. However, the evening was filled with great food, good laughs, excellent friendship and sensual companionships.

As I had to take the first flight out to Buenos Aires, I focused more on having fun with friends and girls, smoking cigars along with a few drinks, rather than taking a girl to the hotel. I rarely make deeds with girls at the premises unless I have absolutely no recourse.

I was a bit disappointed by those push waiters to sell ladies’ drink for ringing up the bill. Two drink coupons comes with R$80.00 cover charge can’t be used for ladies. Well… this is another reason that makes the Photo hold its own class.


Interesting Stories – Part I

As the night gets into the second phase (meaning I am ready to go back to hotel and Moondog is ready to take his three girls to the room), a good-looking lady (Vivi) approached me and started conversation. She was intelligent, articulate and exhibited no rush or suggestion of the transaction. I told her about my next day business agenda and my intent to call her when I return to SP on Thursday morning from BA.

Vivi asked me if I would bring her a perfume for men from Channel Allure as it is not available in general market in SP. She said that she prefers to use men’s cologne than women’s. I told her I would if I see one in duty free shop in either BA or SP. And, I found the one what she asked for in the duty free shop in BA airport and bought one.

Upon returning to SP on Thursday, I had dinner with Alfredo and one other local friend at Kinu in Grand Hyatt in Brooklyn. Vivi joined us for dinner. One of fellow players on this board recommended this restaurant. It was fabulous Japanese restaurant, which has somewhat fusion touch on their Japanese food preparation - good atmosphere, great staff and excellent food! Thanks for the suggestion!

As we were talking about the part 2 of the evening, we decided to check out the Bahamas while Vivi wanted to go to a normal place for music and drinks but were overruled by three men. So she came along.

The Bahamas (at least the first floor) was absolutely jammed and packed at 11:00 p.m. on Thursday night. It still appeared the ration of women to men in two to one at least. Since I was with Vivi, I was chilling out and having good time. Vivi pointed me to a girl (Yvonne) who was a young thing in skimpy black outfit (162cm and 45kg naked – I will cover this in part II) waiting for the announcement of the midnight strip show. Vivi said that she knows Yvonne who used to work at the Photo.

Yvonne possesses the quality in no shortage of being model material – not for fashion modeling but for product modeling like cellular phones, household products, electronic gadgets and the likes.

I asked Vivi to invite Yvonne to join us after her show. So she did. She was a stunning young lady projecting the look of at best 18 years old – dark deep eyes, small head but well balanced to the body and the body with no fat but no bonny skinny. She hung out with us for an hour or so. Because of Vivi, I was attempting to hook Yvonne with Alfredo. He had a few conversations with her and was shocked that she demanded R$600.00 for one hour session at premises and it was the final price!

I explained to Yvonne that I would not have many options that night as I came with Vivi. So she understood but we quickly agreed that we would look for opportunities next day. Vivi and I came back to the hotel at 2:30 a.m. and had great time for a while. She slept through the morning and I left for the business. I left her R$250.00 for her discretional use.

Vivi works at Photo when time permits while she is in second year at a local law school. She came to Café Gauguin with her friend and she found me. She said that Bahamas are famous to local players for stocking girls with big boobs (natural or manufactured) and muscles through physical exercise. When she told me that, I looked around and she was right on the money.

Cover charge for Bahamas is R$101.00 with no drinks. For a few hours of fun for five of us including Yvonne was R$770.00.


Interesting Stories – Part II

I called Yvonne in Friday afternoon. She said she would come to the hotel at 8:00 p.m. or so. Alfredo also invited his girl whom he met in Gauguin on Tuesday. Four of us had drinks and did a bit of chit chat at the executive lounge in Hilton Morumbi. Upon my request of favorite food, Yvonne said that she loves Japanese food (Sushi and Sashimi). So we went to Kinu again – two nights in a row. We had fabulous dinner again and returned to the hotel at around 11:30 p.m.

Alfredo and his girl went up to his room for their deed and Yvonne and I came back to my room. Then we talked about many things. I learned that she will be shooting her first TV commercial (along with other models) for a Brazilian cosmetic company (which Alfredo pointed me to the company store in Shopping Morumbi next day).

She said that she would quit Bahamas if this new opportunity takes off with reasonable trajectory. By the way, I checked her ID (issued by the city of SP) and she will be 21 on May 19th.

She loves to buy Nike sneakers, which is very expensive in Brazil – high-end Nike sneakers are priced at R$550 to R$600. I let her use my laptop to search the Nike sneakers at Nike website. I told her that I would ship one of her favorite findings at the website. She was very happy to hear that and said that she would pay me as the cost is roughly one half in US compared to that in Brazil. I thought her response was cute and good and I smiled her back.

Winning the heart of these girls would not take that much of efforts – showing your sincerity and follow-up’s. Pictures show her face while she was searching the website and body frame (not good photo).

Yvonne invited me to the bathroom and stepped on the scale. She only had bra and bottom underwear. The scale registered 45.6kg and then she dropped the bra and underwear which got her to 45.4kg. Then she went to the toilet and came back and rescaled for 45Kg. Whole routine she showed was so cute and fun which I can’t describe the sequences. Then she put a shower robe on her.

Alfredo came to my room after his deed and letting his girl go home. And we talked a bit more on other topics which I may be able to help Yvonne in her new career or at least financially. He was great help for communications as Yvonne’s English was minimal and my Portuguese does not exist. He went back to his room for rest at 3:00 a.m. While the conversation was in process, she and I were on the bed and she was fooling around with me as if she has been a long time girlfriend.

Yvonne and I took shower and made very lovely and passionate love and she preferred to leave and granted her wishes at around 4:30 a.m. and I fell into a comma for a few hours.

I called her upon returning back to the States and she was happy to receive my call. Yvonne and Vivi are my keepers!

This trip has been extremely productive one from the perspectives of business and personal. A few of fellow players on this board know that I have enjoyed three-year relationship with the girl whom I originally met at the Photo. She decided to go back to her family for many reasons several months ago. Juliana and I have been contact in mainly by phone and these two girls came around in perfect timing.

My apology for long drawn reporting but my intent is to share with you that good thing could happen totally out of blue if you show your best hands. O2G

Bubba Boy
04-04-05, 20:21
Kilt sort of has onsite facilities. The upper - upper level IE directly above the pool table, has small private cubicles where the curtains can be drawn and complete privacy from view can be had, although it is definitely not sound proof. From memory they charged me about R50 for the "room" (definitely have to check this price as my memory of this is a bit blurred) and the girl asked for R200. She took R150 without any trouble for full service, maybe still overpaid a little but she was definitely worth it and hence I was pretty happy with the nights proceedings. Had to do the deed standing up as the couch was kind of small. She gave me the option of purchasing a condom onsite, luckily I had a couple with me.

Rovnak
04-05-05, 02:53
Since I relocated for business for a few days to Brooklin, I decided to check out the clinicas during the day. After it absolutely poured cats and dogs at noon, I set out at about 1:30 for a bit of a grand tour.

After getting a look at a local map I realized that Campo Belo and Brooklin are not too far from one another, I knew they were adjacent but I wasn't sure on the distances. So I decided to see as many lineups as possible in area first, only stopping if there seemed a sure thing.

Stop 1 - cab to Bermudas. I was curious about this place since it has a lot of good reviews on gpguia.net. No internet photos on site. So I wanted to see what they had. After taxi had difficult time finding place, I arrive and happily they present their lineup live, one after the other. They had 11 girls available. I met all 11, and I was only intrigued by about 2. So I said, thanks no thanks and went on my way.

Stop 2 - not raining now, so walk sevaral blocks from Bermudas to Clinica Brooklin. They have photos on wall but they also presented lineup live. I was not taken by any of the available girls, but I did see one come out to go off with the customer in front of me who I really liked the look of. That was Michelle. and I think she looks better in person than the photos on site. There were also photos on the wall of a beautiful blonde named Camilla who was in session (naturally).The early bird promocau was 100R complete, no tipping. Good deal, but I put it on back burner. I said "i may come back in an hour for either Camilla or Michelle. I didn't but this is close to my hotel so I may go there tomorrow.

Stop 3 - the Campo Belo - Congonhas cluster. I knew from my prior mapping effort that there were 4 clinicas withing several blocks of one another near Congonhas - Cherry, and Chantily, La Fleur de Jour, Francebel. I decided to circle in that order and see Francebel last since it supposedly had nicest and priciest girls. I figured I would see it last then decide to stay or return to one of the others. It was a cool day after the showers, so I walked nearly the whole way from Brooklin to Campo Belo, but took a cab for the last few blocks when I came to a big hill and realized I might not have much in the tank for the real sport.

Cherry - good price 130R no tipping. They had a live lineup. No great lookers. I knew from internet photos that I was really only interested in Sophia. She was not working today. So off I went to next stop down the road. Walked two short blocks from Cherry to Chantily.

Chantily - best pricing of all - 100R 1hr complete. Again, I knew I was looking for one in particular, morena Raquel based on internet photos and reviews. She was busy naturally. They had very small staff, book with only 7 girls and only 4 working that time. Raquel was supposed to free up at 4:00. So I said "Maybe, I'll come back at 4:00 for Raquel". I should have said "I definitely will come back" but I was not sure at the time. Walked about 6 short blocks to La Fleur de Jour.

La Fleur de Jour - pricing 160R complete. No live lineup, just pix on wall. I was interested in mulata Roseanne but she was busy for 40 more minutes. A Morena Sabrina also looked good and was free. Some others were pretty nice, but I forget names. I was tempted, but I figured, I came this far, I might as well see Francebel first. So I walked the five more blocks to Francebel. This was the only tricky walk as the required turns confused me at one point and I had to double back a block.

Francebel - definitely a different establisment from the others. Large staff of receptionists and security. Different facilities. Pricing - 120 to house, 50 to massagista, and then negotiate for extras - probable total 270-320. No live lineup, only picture gallery. Now, I have been to 5 lower end places that very day, so everything is fresh in my mind. And I went around that gallery and there was no single girl that was better than what I had already passed on. So I said, "so long". And since it was approaching 4:00 I went back to Chantily.

Chantily - 2nd visit 4:00. Unfortunately, while I was touring the neighborhood, someone called and reserved Raquel. So I thought it through, and said "Ok, I want a reservation for Raquel at 5:30". They said ok. And I headed back round the corner to La Fleur.

La Fleur de Jour -2nd visit 4:15 - I found that Roseanne had 10-15 more minute left so I decided to wait. This would me cutting it real close in orde to get back to Chantily for Raquel at 5:30. They let me into room, so I showered ahead of time, and at 4:30 precisely Roseanne walks in. She looks just like pictures. Probably mid 30s but body is well kept. Fantastic butt, probably best I'd seen in SP so far. Smouldering style, not bubbly. She is from Bahia. I said "I'm not interested in massage, so we went right to it. Some foreplay, good kissing, and then multiple positions. DS was outrageously good view. She was enthusiastic, and like I said, smouldering eyes throughout. At 5:15 I hit the mark. First thing that crosses my mind, is "I guess I don't see Raquel now." But after a quick shower, I thought, what the hell, for 100R I'll just take the massage. So I bolted, though I think Roseanne wanted me to stay the remaining 10 minutes, since she was just reclining there naked on the small bed when I left.

Now comes the fun part. I'm walking from La Fleur to Chantily. And I'm thinking, "man, I'm hungry. I have only had breakfast and now its 5:20" And voila, just like that I pass a small bar/restaraunt. I walk up to the bar, as for a big Skol beer. Then I ask the waiter if they have any immediate food. He brings an appetizer skewer of beef squares. I munch down two of those skeweres, sprinkeled with some manioc flour, down the beer, pay the bill and I'm out of there at 5:28. Meal pit stop in precisely 7-8 minutes.

Chantily - 3rd visit 5:32 - Yes, I'm two minutes late. No problem. They are expecting me And they give me another beer on the house. Send me into room. I shower and then Raquel pokes her head into shower. Wow, she has a beautiful face. Nicest face I have seen all day. She is early 20s but she is a little soft around the gut, probably from child. But body is still nice and I am not dissappointed in look at all. After all, I'm just there for the 100R massage. So i lay down, she rubs me down very professionally, very nice massage for about 10 minutes. Then she starts doing Thai massage on my back, and I start thinking "hmm, i may take more than the massage after all." Great Thai massage for about 5 minutes. Then I roll over and she gives me some of the best tongue kissing I have ever received. She says she loves to kiss me. I'm definitely in for more than the massage now. So we go off to the races and she is one hell of a performer. I don't know how loud she was because she was yelling right into my ear but she was enjoying it and she was even giving me directions on her favorite positions. With all the oil from the Thai massage were slipping and sliding just fabulously. And at 6:25, I said "bastante" and we lay still for a bit, then I showered and left with her number. All for 100R.

So that completed the tour. 6 establishments, 2 really good full hour sesions for a total of 260R. Not a bad day.

By the one that was just setting off with a customer when I arrived.

MoonDog
04-05-05, 03:17
Yvonne and Vivi are my keepers!

So now you are going to keep two of them at once? :) This will be interesting to take them both out to dinner and have a dupla later.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Kinesics
04-05-05, 04:24
Thanks for the report. I would think that your encounter with the lady from Bomboa would be one of the best case scenarios which out of country players could envision. If you would be able to stay in contact with her while you are in the States (I assume) and then she maintains unchanged attitude upon your return to SP, you may have good chance to have your own local girlfriend.

I have had text book case of relationship with a woman whom I had encountered in Cafe Photo and the relationship has lasted for three years until she decided to go back to her family in near Belo Horizonte. I took care of her financially even though she never asked for money or gave me hint of it, treated her like true girlfriend of mine, and gave all my best every night. Only condition imposed by her was to ensure that she is the only one whom I would see and meet while I am in SP. This condition gave me challenges time to time but I subscribed and handled the challenges.

Time will tell you what it is. If your gut feeling tells you to invest your time, I would suggest to follow your instinct which will pay off in nice way.

This is just me and my apporach which may not be a cup of tea for other fellow players.

Enjoy it when you can! O2G

Rovnak
04-08-05, 18:30
Tuesday night, I finished a long day of work, and decided to try a dupla at the Brooklin Massage clinic. However, the girls I wanted were not available and the receptionist was not very friendly on the phone, so I bagged that and decided to walk across the street from my hotel to Cafe Gauguin. However, despite the good reviews, I couldn't bring myself to go in when they told me they only had 11 girls in house at this time, 9:00 pm. So I jumped in a cab and went to Bahamas.

Bahamas has a mixed reputation here but I was MORE than satisfied. The club is well lit, unlike Millenium which is overly dark imho. The girls are good looking, the rooms are nice. I checked out the talent and then made a move for a blonde that had a beatiful face and a outrageous body. Now, I'm a sucker for a high ass to waist ratio (big ass, small waist) and this girl had this in spades. Not to mention she was a natural blonde (Czech descent), and had a sex kitten face. All in all a 9 looker, and she might have been a 10 if only she did not have several tatoos and implants. Now tatoos are usually a BIG turnoff for me. But this girl was so good looking overall and her butt so shapely that I did not even notice the tatoos. Now some might say that she was a "pro" and I won't argue that. She was also obviously well aware of her good looks and was a tad conceited in a sex kitten way. But this was just physical after all, and we hit it off well in the bed, which is all that matters in this case. Wonderful 69 (seixta meia, or seixta novo) with me lookup up at the ceiling mirror showing this gorgeous blonde spread on top of me. Whew. Then onto multiple positions, all enjoyable. All in all, I was very happy and called it a night.

Wed, a brutally long day work. Then, my true vacation began, no more work. I changed hotels, moving to my reservation in the Parthenon St. Germain in Jardim Paulista. This was a MAJOR disappointment. The hotel is under renovation, they were painting my floor and the hotel in general is too long in the tooth. Compared to the Mercure Trianon where I had spent the prior weekend this was a BIG letdown. Eventually, today, Friday, I tranferred to the Mercure Jardins, a much, much better hotel. I would not recommend Parthenon St. Germain at this point.

Wed night, I was tired but could not resist seeing Millenium mid week. When I was there on Friday everyone said "come back midweek there will be many many more girls". So I went back on Wednesday. Problem was there were only a few more girls and way way too many men. This place was a major dissappointment on this trip. There were not truly oustanding ladies in house an I looked at everyone over the 3 hours I was there. There was way too much smoke and the club is so dark you can hardly see the ladies. Eventually, I settled for a tall morena that had a nice Sophia Loren like face. She and I made eye contact across a great distance and I thought she was the one. She was ok in bed. It took her longer to get to the boiling point than the others that I have been with in SP. And her body was not as tight as I had hoped for. But that was my fault for not checking the goods better in the bar. So in total, my two trips to Millenium rank at the bottom of the list for my visit, including clinicas. It just goes to show that YMMV everywhere.

I left Millenium at around 1:00 am and decided to try Donna Cafe as it was in direction of hotel. I got there at around 1:30, walked in the door and it was DEAD. I walked out and thankfully my gypsy cab driver was still there, and I said, "Bomboa". A few blocks later, I'm in Bomboa. Now we are talking. Full house. I circle a few times, and cannot make up my mind. I am looking for one that I saw when I entered but I cannot find her any longer. Then I spot this mulata that had not been visible before. Again, she is head and shoulders above the others in ass to waist ratio. She is a hard body to boot. She and I go to the quiet section and really hit it off well with much kissing. Finally, we go to room and have the most incredible session of my visit so far. She is very physical, knows what she wants, knows what she likes, and it was just outstanding. I absolutely could not ask for more. After this session it was close to closing time at Bomboa, and she offered to drive me to my hotel even though she could not stay with me the rest of the night. But I did not really want more that night. I have a date with her tomorow, Saturday.

Thursday, I hit the wall. Totally exhausted and hung over. I spent the day trying to raise the fluid levels in my dehydrated body. I walked to W.E at 9:00 to check it out but was dissappointed in the talent that I saw inside so I begged off and left. Then I got some gelato and called it a night.

Now it is Friday, I'm in a nice hotel again, and am ready to go hunting.

Rovnak
04-09-05, 03:19
It was abnormally hot in Sampa today. Yes, I'm speaking of the weather. Hot and humid but I'm still in the best place in the world. So after reviewing my options, I decided around 4:00 to make a swing to the clinicas My Way and The Palms. Both are located in Itaim Bibi area. I walked a good distance from my Jardins hotel and caught a cab the last third arriving at My Way around 4:50. All of the garotas mentioned in this report are visible at the respective web sites.

At My Way the rececptionist was very pleasant. They gave me live introductions to the entire house. This lineup is top rank. I would stack their looks up against the best of the boite girls that I have seen so far. I decided on a dupla with Rebeca (who looked much better in person than her pictues) and Thainara. This was my first dupla in Brasil. The two were a good pair, Thainara was at least 5 years older than the 21 year old Rebeca and Thainara sort of lead her partner very nicely. I told them I was not interested in massage so after a quick thai massage on my back we went right at it. The entire first 40 minutes was quite a blur of flesh, one riding my face the other riding the rest of me. Then onto the DS with both of them, then finishing up mish with Thainara who hands down has the tightest grip of anyone I have been with in SP. I think she is one of those gifted women with that extra muscular control below. The last 20 minutes they gave me a great massage. I told them it was like being in paradise with two angels. They laughed and we talked very much during this time, once again, thanks to Pimsleur. I have yet to meet a garota that speaks English, but it has been great because I have had no problem speaking Portuguese to all of them, and they have clearly appreciated it. These two were both delightful and I only wish I had spent more time with them as I know Rebeca wanted more action and was still very hot to trot as I dressed. Thainara had left 5 minutes earlier because of a regular reservation, and the last 5 minutes almost turned into another session with Rebeca. But I had already made up my mind to see The Palms since I was close to it.

So I left My Way and headed off to The Palms. After a few blocks the sky opened up with a real tropical downpour and I took refuge in the most convenient restaurant. This place was LOUD. i had a huge steak and potatoes au gratin. The rain would just not let up so around 7:45 I caught a cab for The Palms. The receptionist on duty was a real pain in the ass. I don't recall her name, but she was not Ana, who I had spoken to on the phone earlier in the week. This other one showed me the book and it is exactly like the lineup on the web site, except that you can see all of the faces and there are more pix of each. Steffi looked great but was not in. Pietra walked by and she is a tall gir for those who like them tall. Two other hot blondes walked by that were finishing up with their clients. This lineup was even more model like than My Way. They were all beauties. I said "I'll take Nicky", the receptionist said something into the phone. Then I saw a page of Sabrina's that I had missed earlier. It knocked me out, so I said "Wait, I prefer Sabrina". And the bitchy receptionist says "Its too late, not possible, I already told Nicky". This was the first occasion in my entire trip that anyone in Brasil had not surpassed my expectations for kindness and friendliness. I was shocked. It could not have been more than one minute since I had said "Nicky ... no wait Sabrina". I said "Its only been a minute!!!" I was prepared to leave in protest, but one of the guys that had come in after me, spoke hurriedly to the receptionist and she grudgingly changed it to Sabrina.

So I go into the BIG room to wait for Sabrina.These rooms are HUGE with platform bed in the center. I'm in the shower when Sabrina enters. She is quite short, at about 5'1 or 5'2, with a stunning exotic face, wonderful hair, ripe, ripe body, really perfect in my book. Every part of her, legs, feet, hands , bombom, small natural titties, Everything is gostosa. Perhaps the prettiest for my taste that I have seen. And she smoulders. She looked me right in the eyes for the longest times during much of the next hour. She clung and reciprocated every action. She told me over and over that she adored me. This alone is worth the trip to Brasil. To hear these absolutely gorgeous women tell you they adore you, it is an unparalleled trip. And I adored her. Life is good here.

That about waps it up for the clinicas. I would rate the beauties at The Palms and My Way as tops, and not surprisingly they command more $$ than the Campo Belo places I previously reported on.

Now to get some rest before my Saturday date.

Kinesics
04-09-05, 03:47
I was in Cafe Gauguin on Tuesday and in Bahamas on Thursday of last week. I got myself two girls - Vivian (2nd year law student) from Gauguin and Yvonne from Bahamas. Gauguin was not too bad on Tuesday and Bahamas was rocking on Thursday.

If I missed from your previous posting, please forgive me. Have you paid your visit to Cafe Photo? What I sense from your posting appears that you may enjoy the atmosphere and scene of Photo.

Thanks for sharing your great stories of SP nights. O2G

Almotu
04-09-05, 14:17
Anyone around, April 11 - 16?

I will be staying at the Parthenon The Excellence which is a couple of blocks away from Bomboa.

Hope it is better than what Rovnak wrote about the St Germain. Could use some pointers from more experienced mongers like Off2Golf, JWadd, et al.

PM me for my e-mail and cell number if anyone is willing to help.

I actually just got my first GSM phone and could use some help putting it to use while in Sao Paulo.

Tchau,

Almotu

Rovnak
04-09-05, 15:40
Almotu,

I will problably be gone for Rio when you arrive. You will have a great time. I love Sampa. The people I have met have been far and away the friendliest in all my travels from service workers, to taxi drivers, to club security, to garottas, todas.

The GSM thing was actually THE MOST DIFFICULT part of my trip so far LOL.

I arrived on a Friday at Mercure Trianon, near Avenida Paulista. I asked hotel clerks (no English) where the nearest TIM or Claro store was. They did not know and could not find out, though I am not sure why. They knew of one many blocks away on Paulista but I could not believe there wasn't one closer. So I went exploring myself. I asked some people on Paulista and that took me to a mini-mall on Paulista. That had a photo shop with a little TIM sign in the window. There was one TIM person working. This young lady set me up with the GSM. There was some confusion as no one in store spoke any English and this was my first day ever trying to speak it to live people. Everything was ok until they started to process my credit card but had not yet asked for my documents. I was concerned because everything I had read suggested that they needed to enter some of your passport and hotel information somewhere in order to activate account. I tried to indicate this concern and it took a few minutes before I understood that she would do this AFTER I had payed for the card. The TIM chip was 25R and included just 5R credit. So I bought an extra 25R credit. Total 50R.

I payed. Then she and I sat at a table. She put the new card in the phone. Took down my ID and hotel residence information. Then she tried to activate the 25R credit. This was the problem. Apparently the system takes 20 minutes or more before it will recognize a new subscriber or something like that. All I know is I sat there for a half hour while she redialed and grimmaced repeatedly. Finally, I left and said I would try at my hotel or return. I did try at my hotel later, but I did not even know the difference b/t the normal ring tone and an abnormal one, so I gave up and returned to shop the next morning. Then she activated it and I was ok. I can dial *222 to check how many R credit I have left. I think it is 1R per minute for non-roaming calls. In fact I am about to activate my second 25R credit now. Hope it is easy.

As for the hotel, the Parthenon St. Germain is the oldest Parthenon. The Excellence is much newer I believe so I think you will be fine.

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Off2Golf,

I have not visited Cafe Photo. Several reasons. No one recommended it for weekends, and during the beginning of the business week I was at hotel with co-workers and did not want to risk returning with a lady on my arm. So that ruled out Mon and Tues. On Wed, I opted for Millenium which was a bad decision and then Bomboa which was a great decision. On Thur I could not drag my ass around I was so tired. On Friday I did not want an overnight guest since today Saturday I have my Bomboa girl visiting. So Photo did not fit into plan. Of course depending on how long my Bomboa girl stays today, I may or may not go somewhere tonight, Saturday. Is Photo worth visiting on Saturday night?

Cheers

Bubba Boy
04-09-05, 16:54
The excellence is a very good hotel, nice and modern, you will not have any problems with it although I did find it to be slightly out of the way.

Kinesics
04-10-05, 00:48
This is what I know about GSM phones.

GSM systems operate at four different bandwidth – 850Mhz, 900Mhz, 1800Mhz and 1900Mhz.

Most of GSM systems outside the USA have been operating at 900Mhz and 1800Mhz while the wireless carriers (i.e Cingular or T-mobile) in the USA adopted 850Mhz and 1900Mhz. Most of GSM based carriers in the world have roaming agreements with other GSM carriers in other countries.

If you have a GSM phone with proper bandwidth support (known as tri-band or quad-band), the phone would more than likely work in other countries through the carriers’ roaming agreements. However, while it is convenient for using a single phone number while traveling, cost per minute for international roaming could range from $1.29 to $3.99 depending on the destinations where the phone is being used.

Alternative to international roaming is to buy a local GSM SIM card and install it to one’s GSM phone. Then the phone becomes a local numbered phone to take advantage of local in-country rate at fraction of the international roaming rate. Another advantage of using a local number is that you would not get billed for incoming calls in most of countries, not all countries.

This is based on assumption that the phone is in ‘unlocked’ mode. This simply means that the phone can function as a wireless phone using different SIM cards. Some of phones are in ‘locked’ mode. This means that the phone only works as a functional wireless phone using the SIM card issued by the wireless carrier.

Case to this point, I have to phones. First is Motorola V3 Razr phone by Cingular which supports quad bands and unlocked. This phone works with all local SIM cards which I purchase in the country to where I travel. Second is Samsung World phone by Verizon which is locked. This phone can be switched from/to CDMA for use in the State and GSM for use in outside the State. If I popped in a SIM card other than the one issued by Verizon, the phone does not work.

So I use both phones while traveling abroad – V3 Razr for local number and World phone for US number roaming internationally.

Rules and regulations for buying and activating local SIM cards widely vary from country to country. I have not personally purchased local SIM cards and do know what sort of processes (or hassles) that one has to go through. Most of my local SIM cards have been arranged by local friends or local staff.

Pre-paid SIM card per-minute rates are a bit more expensive than post-paid SIM card (via monthly billing). If you are casual travelers, I would not think that it would be easy to open a wireless account with monthly billing as one would not have any support document to show being a local.

If you purchased a TIM SIM card, I believe that TIM wireless network access code is 041. You need to use the access code to make a call, especially for those calls to outside of your home area. If you are in SP and have SP number, no need to dial the access code of 041.


Hope this helps! O2G

Kinesics
04-10-05, 01:03
Rovnak,

Cafe Photo is VERY slow on Saturdays from the perspectives of number of talents while you still can find a good one. Saturday slowness would be consistent with other clubs in SP. It is slow enough so that only the frist floor is open. This is down side.

Upside is that entrance/cover charge is discounted to R$105 from R$155 (I am not good with remembering numbers). If you found one whom you like, you have a bit more leverage to negotiate due to slowness. Ratio of men to women is still good.

I had encountered with my girlfriend there on one Saturday about three years ago. She was a newbie to the club and doing part-time to earn money for her new car. She then had subsequently retired from the club and focused on her day job. She has been my sole girlfriend for three years until she decided to go back to home and family recently. Enjoy your stay in Brasil.

O2G

Rovnak
04-10-05, 01:16
Almotu,

What Off2Golf says is all correct. But, perhaps more emphasis is needed on the issue of "unloced" phone. If you do not understand what this means you need to understand it before proceding with any attempts at getting a local SIM chip.

Most GSM phones sold in the US are locked. This means they only work with SIM chips for the carrier who sold you the phone. That is, they only work that way unless you have the phone "unlocked" so that it will work with any SIM chip.

I have a Sony Ericsonn that I purchased from AT&T (my carrier) last year. I would never consider using the AT&T service while roaming internationally. So I payed someone $10 to use some software to unlock the phone before I left the US. Now I can purchase local SIM chips anywhere in the world. But if I had not had the phone unlocked I would have run into all sorts of confusion if I had tried to insert a new chip. So make sure you understand the status of your phone.

MoonDog
04-10-05, 02:18
As Off2golf stated, this has to be done with an unlocked GSM phone.

To get a TIM SIM chip, stand on the corner of Paulista and Rua Aguusta, on the right hand side of the street with the Bank of Brasil to your left. Looking across Paulista and slightly to the the right, you will see an entrance to a shopping mall. Walk straight in(not downstairs), and you will see a TIM booth. They can set you up with a GSM Chip, and you will need your passport.

Once that is done, go past the TIM booth down the escalator and you will see a magazine stand. You can buy the pre-paid cards there, and get about R$100 worth if you plan to call the U.S. or other countries. After you scratch off the protective covering over the numbers, dial *222. It will go through a promotion, and then give you options. Select #1, and enter your card number. The system will repeat it back, and to confirm, press #4. Repeat the process if you want to add more credit from another card. It is all in Portuguese, but if you know the basic numbers in Spanish, you will be able to get through this. You can also buy the pre-paid cards at drug stores and other magazine stands.

Once your phone is working, just dial a local number in Sao Paulo. To call any other area, do the following:

To call another city in Brazil, dial 015 plus the city code. To call Rio, you would dial 015-21-xxxx-xxxx.

To call the U.S., dial 0015-1-area code-number.

From outside of Sao Paulo, you will have to dial 021-city code-number.

I hope this helps,

Moondog

Rovnak
04-10-05, 03:03
Thanks that is a good summary. I had worked through the card process before reading it but that would have made it easier.

The piece of information that I did not know before, and I thank you for, is the 015-citycode-local number part.

Since I have been using the phone in SP to call local SP numbers I have not needed to do that. I have just dialed the 8 digit local numbers and I have been fine.

But when I get to Rio, since I purchased my SIM in SP, I suppose I will be "roaming" and I will have to dial the Rio numbers as you have described. And this is good to know beforehand.

Kinesics
04-10-05, 03:29
My TIM access code of 041 must've been different than that of Sao Paulo as my mobile number is based on Campinas. Sorry for confusion. Cheers... O2G

Rovnak
04-10-05, 15:11
FWIW,

Maybe it depends on who is working the desk, and what time of day or night, but I brought a GP back last night at 1:30 am and I was prepared to just walk into elevator with her, but she hesitated and the clerk said she had to sign in and all. Then he makes me sign some sort of waiver and bill for 50R more. Ugh.

BTW, Mercure is pronounced "Mercury" in Brasil. I thought that perhaps the last "e" was silent but it is not. If you say "Mercur" no one knows what you are talking about.

Also, I had my first real negative (for the price) session. I overpayed for a college student at Romanza on Saturday night. I don't think the problem was the place. They did not pad my tab or anything. There was a very good selection for a Saturday night. I just made the wrong selection. Instead of my usual full room survey, I hastilly engaged a sexily clad blonde near the bar. She was obviously very non-pro which I thought might be a good thing. Wrong!!! I would have preferred a pro in retrospect. We talked for quute a while and everything seemed good, though she was noticeably reticent with her affection, which I inccorrectly attributed to her being a semi-pro. She only does this 2 days a week while at university. Anyway, long story short, she was a total dud in bed. Poor kisser, ok BJ, slow to warm up during FS, complaining about size (and I am by no means large), poor endurance, insufficiently expressive. Given that I have hit it off smashingly with all the others in Brasil, even those I rated just "average", I don't think it was me. She was just too inexperienced and not enough libido for this work. I even took more care to be considerate of her than normal and tried to build things gently but too no real avail.

So much for the "part timers" are better theory. I think they are a bigger YMMV case than the real pros. They are just as much in this for the $$ as the others, though less and may not be as constitutionally fit to do this work.
Maybe you can hit a real home run once in a while but you can also get an overpriced dud. Anyway, live and learn. I have buyers remorse today but will soon get over it.

PS - how did I wind up in Romanz? I had had afternoon visit from Bomboa girl and should have just called it an early night. Butl it was Saturday night 11:00 pm, Bomboa was closed, Photo was farther away and I was actually just planning on casually browsing the Kilt / My Love scene for comparison. But I let the taxi driver talk me into Romanza where I thought they had rooms on site. Oh well, one thing led to another and there you have it . Strike one.

Davis150
04-10-05, 23:14
Here's what I've decided: it's all a fantasy. Maybe I'm a great lay and maybe I'm a great guy, but when the girl who's telling me this is expecting payment, I don't believe it, except when I'm embracing the fantasy during our programa. That said, when I'm looking for great GFE, the semi-pros give the best. The pro's fuck great, but give poor GFE, or GFE that just seems too false to buy into, even for a fantasy. I mean, we're talking about girls here who have at least 60 dicks in 'em a year (if they're part-timers, a thousand if they're pros). Every trip I try to mix it up with a little of both. The girls who are screaming for me to ram their cu, I won't have spend the night because I'd have to sleep with one eye open. The semi-pros are better for overnights. The guys who can't accept this reality, who can't accept that a fantasy is a fantasy, wind up in love and wiring money to Brasil. I'm still trying to talk sense to a friend who fell in love with a HELP garota! Poor bastard. And I know a guy who married one and she wasn't such a sweetheart after she had the ring on her finger and access to his bank account.

Member #4643
04-10-05, 23:21
I have stayed at the Mercure Jardins many times now, and can tell you that the desk clerks are supposed to ask the girls to register and to charge you. However, it was 35 reals for the girl only a few months ago.

If you book a double room, there is no extra charge. This is convenient for business men, whose companies back home will never question the bill (after all, it does not say "double room" on the bill. Furthermore, $65 a night is still pretty cheap).

Romanza has gotten uniformly bad reviews from everyone I know who has been there. You are lucky the bill wasn't padded. I personally think that Saturday night can be very frustrating in Sao Paulo, and intend to fly to Rio on Gol airlines the next time I am stuck in Sao Paulo over the weekend. Gol is cheap, and the girls are a lot cheaper in Rio, so there is practically no money lost.

I would be very grateful to the real veterans on the board if they had some better weekend suggestions for Sao Paulo.

Member #4643
04-10-05, 23:46
I do not know if this works for any other carrier, but T mobile is SIM chip friendly.

I called T mobile before my last trip to Brazil. They emailed me instructions for unlocking my T mobile phone. I purchased a chip from a TIM store on Av Paulista, and entered in the code. Task finished!

For the cost of the chip, I had a 10 reals credit (the chip was 25 reals). I purchased two TIM phone cards for 25 reals apiece from a nearby pharmacy (the store that sold me the chips was out of phone cards). I called *222. After all of the pre recorded conversation in Portuguese, I punched in the number "1", and then the code on the back of the card. At the end, you are asked to enter in the number "4". I repeated this operation, and then had 60 reals of prepaid time. The cost of a phone call in Sao Paulo is approximately 1.4 reals per minute. Not cheap, but 1/7th the cost of using T mobile roaming.

Once you pay for time, and enter your code into the TIM system, it is good for 90 days.

Rovnak
04-11-05, 02:06
Forest,

I would have left for Rio except that one of the girls I had met at Bomboa wanted to see me this weekend. So she spent Saturday afternoon with me and it was fantastic. That was the reason I was still in SP Saturday night and not in Rio.

Let me also say that I was aware of the bad reviews for Romanza, particularly the bill padding. I did not even have them in my deck of index cards for cabbies that have served me so well. However, it truly was not the fault of the club and I think the talent in house that night was excellent. I just made a bad choice, the fault was mine not the house. It could have easily turned out to be a great night if I had just taken my time and listened to my instincts. I knew this girl was "cooler" than others I had met, and normally I would have backed off. But I had read so much here about the better GFE from the semi-pros that I intellectually overrode my intuition. Bad move in retrospect, but understandalbe. Anyway, I have had so many other great times that I will not dwell on it further. Though admittedly, I wish I still had the $$ left to use in Rio. I'll be posting on that board next.

J Wadd
04-11-05, 02:49
Another shout out, fellas. Sorry to waste the site's space with another reach-out, but if anyone's in town I'm not taking a cold shower, capice? Gimme a pm and we can go hunting together.

JW

Nyc Expat
04-12-05, 17:49
If you are traveling to S.P. read my post #764 on the general info thread.

J Wadd
04-12-05, 20:08
Well, it's been pretty routine. Got in from La Paz Sunday night and trolled the Kilt-area clubs. I still want to underscore how killer that little club My Love is (oppositie Kilt). 15R drinks, 40R for a "private bus seat/booth" (maybe less), and 80-100R for the girls. Many cuties (though no Photo-level stunners). All good.

Went to Photo last night -- upstairs is now closed a majority of the week. I predict Photo will be closed within 2-3 years. Dunno. Their pricing level (160R entrance fee; 600R+/- for the girls) is not realistic or sustainable.

I remember the first time I went to Photo 3-or-so years ago -- there were about 100 8-9s in there -- my jaw hit the floor. Alas, not any more. Still, there are many beauties in there (and 400R is now the more-or-less best bargained price; though 300R is a rare possible price). I got a 6-hour ride for 400R. Kinky byatch!!

With the weak dollar acting like a loadstone around my neck, I'm alot less tolerant of the drink monopolies, exorbitant pricing, cabbie rip-offs, etc. This is for the best, I guess, in the end. Belt-tightening shit and all that all around.

Still, there's no place in the world like Brasil -- and Rio and SP are the epicenters of paradise.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

Almotu
04-15-05, 00:23
Moondog & Off2Golf,

Your information is appreciated. I already have most of 'it' down but have these additional questions. I have an unlocked Cingular Motorola Quad-band phone which I brought to Rio and it was easy installing Brazil Specialist's SIM card (Claro brand). Everything worked fine instantly, I got a local number to call girls from and many times did not have to give them the number because the number showed up on their caller ID.

When I left Rio, I had to give Brazil Specialist his SIM card back and alas that local Rio number. My question is about your detailed information about the TIM branded SIM card. When I purchase the SIM card from the store or kiosk do they give you a local number right away which you can start making cards immediately after you charge up with the pre-paid card? You can keep that number from the first time you activated it for 3 months? You will lose your number after that? Is any other company worth looking into besides TIM? taking into account cost & coverage - Vivo, Claro, etc. If I want to be in local contact in both Sao Paulo and Rio (other cities in the future), should I get a SIM card in each city? or can I use one number? which is more economical, a Rio number or a Sao Paulo number . . . (ie. is a more expensive for me to call a girl in Rio from my phone which has a Sao Paulo number or for me to call a girl in Sao Paulo and I have a Rio number? then switch it around for if the girl is calling me from the city other than where my mobile number resides)

Sorry for being longwinded, thanks

Almotu

MoonDog
04-15-05, 02:36
Almotu,

You can get a local SIM chip in each city, and it might be easier for you that way if you are going to have an extended stay in the city. If you will just be there one or two nights, then do not worry about it. It is up to you.

The TIM card is the AT&T/Cingular partner in Brazil and works well. I do not know about the others, but know that I can not access the internet from my Treo 650 phone with the other networks.

Once you obtain the TIM SIM card, and add credits, it should work within the next hour or sooner, and you are given a local number. The credits are good for 3 months, and if you have not recharged the card, they disappear. After 6 months, the chip goes dormant. If you re-activate it again after 6 months to a year, you might be able to get your old number back again. After a year, you will have to get a new chip and number.

The credits are very inexpensive, and even if you call Rio from Sao Paulo, it is not very expensive. TIM will send you a text message when you have R$3 remaining. For me, it is easier to get a phone in the city that you will spend most of your time in, then just accept the cost of calling another city rather than changing chips all the time.

I've got a chip for Buenos Aires, and one for Sao Paulo, and do travel outside of those locales as well. Calls reach me, and I have no problem making calls to other areas as well.

I hope this helps,

Moondog

MoonDog
04-15-05, 02:41
Went to Photo last night -- upstairs is now closed a majority of the week. I predict Photo will be closed within 2-3 years. Dunno. Their pricing level (160R entrance fee; 600R+/- for the girls) is not realistic or sustainable.

I remember the first time I went to Photo 3-or-so years ago -- there were about 100 8-9s in there -- my jaw hit the floor. Alas, not any more. Still, there are many beauties in there (and 400R is now the more-or-less best bargained price; though 300R is a rare possible price). I got a 6-hour ride for 400R. Kinky byatch!!
JWadd,

Monday is not the best night. Try Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday nights, with Thursday being the best. This is the last chance for the girls to pick up some extra cash before they head out of the city for the weekend. The last two times I have been to Foto, it has been on a Thursday night. Your mention of 100 8-9's is right on the mark.

Moondog

Almotu
04-15-05, 17:44
Moondog,

Thanks for your post. That is exactly the information that I needed. I think I will spend more time in Rio than Sao Paulo. From chatting with some girls, it is interesting that Claro & Vivo seem to be the carriers of choice in Rio while TIM is everywhere in Sao Paulo. Alas, I think I will follow your advice and get a Rio number.

Thanks again,

Almotu

Off Road
04-17-05, 16:20
they were the holiday inn select jaragua, on rua martins fuentes (end of rua agusta near consollçao. recently remodeled. the pricing has now changed. it was 140r inclusive of high speed internet.. now it is 179 for arroom you can purchase internet for 25r.. so you are up in the 225-250 range after taxes and such.. so not a good price performer like it was.

i moved to a flat. suite service sao paulo (major diogo and rua santo antonio). monthly it is 700-1000 depending on the room view. i have one overlooking the pool, a lot of the gals live here too. restaraung, fitness, laundry, furnished, maid service, 500r deposit. you also pay for phone lights and gas. so i figure since i am here for 2 weeks. this is way cheaper, and other advantage.

i am here until the 25th ((i think) anyone want to go out for a drink or dinner. pm me.

Marglo
04-19-05, 14:58
Moondog,

I have had no trouble accessing my E mail from my Treo 650 in Sao Paulo.
The trick seems to be if I do not get access immediately I try again. Usually on the second or third attempt I get my E mail. This works both with Versa Mail and AOL. The system has been improved recently because 6 months ago it was difficult to access E mail. Messaging also works well and is quite inexpensive.

I also use Nextel in Brazil and I find that in Sao Paulo it works very well but I need to use the Treo 650 when I leave Sao Paulo. Nextel is secure and basically you can call the USA for free using direct connect.

Member #4643
04-19-05, 18:51
Does anyone know what happened to the Paulista based mongering site gpguia.net? I cannot log on, and indeed even have been forwarded to a porno spam site.

Losing this site would be a tragedy for me. I rely on it to help me learn Portuguese.

J Wadd
04-19-05, 22:54
I was there about a month ago, and then again three times last week, and on each go-round I was with other cool guys from this site and managed to arrange an orgy with the girls. The first one (with Anders) fell through; but the second (with Almotu) was a big hit (hetero, guys, all hetero).

Both times though (duh), the girls agreed to it -- and even seemed psyched. The pricing was that they'd screw both of us individually for one set price. As it turned out, Almotu and I went to a hotel with an over-sized bed and played porno kings for a few hours (I thought girl-modesty would requre two adjoining rooms).

Anyway, price agreed upon was 600R the first time (w/ Anders), and a little more the second. That's TWO Photo girls for 600R. Pretty good deal (all things considered).

Also want to give a quick shout-out to My Love boite (across the street from Kilt). It's good, it's cheap and there're plenty of good looking women (80R for sex!) w/o the drink price-gouging b.s.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

Member #4643
04-19-05, 23:14
This week, I have been traveling through Sao Paulo. As a result, I only had a few hours for visitations, and both were in afternoon time slots.

I consulted the internet and picked out two ladies who seemed special. After all, if one only has one or two encounters, they better be EXCELLENT.

First, at the recommendation of a fellow mongerer, I arranged some time with Bebeloira. She wanted 500 reals for 1.5 hours, a price I agreed to without complaint (I know for a fact that she will come down to 400 reals). The Bebe is also known as Brenda on MClass (http://www.mclass.com.br/scripts/mclass.dll/det?codaco=1263&retorno=0), has decent reviews on the web site GPguia,net (which I am told will be back soon), and got a rave review from our colleague, surferr3. She looks pretty much the same as in her photos. Indeed, she is very much a GFE. She loves to talk, cuddle and show photos of herself (whom she loves dearly). She has just had a breast enlargement and liposuction, and I suspect that as she ages, her weight will be a problem. But right now, she looks very nice. Indeed, the best augmentation mammoplasty I have ever seen. Looked and felt real.

For 500 reals/90 minutes, I was expecting magic. She did not dissapoint, with one of the best (if not the best) BBBJTC I have ever had. I truly never thought I would feel weak in the knees after a BBBJ, but I was totally wasted when she was done. She strung out the BBBJ for about 25 minutes, taking care not to let me come too soon. We talked for 15 minutes, and then went at it again, this time with some more traditional positions. Remarkably (at least for me), I had a second coming, and collapsed in a pool of sweat. We spent the next 30 minutes (making this a 2 hour session) looking at her photos on the computer. Very nice girl. Good conversationalist, especially if you talk about her favorite topic. Does not do anal. Does not swallow either (but none of the gagging shit in the bathroom that drives me crazy). One hour later, I was at the airport headed for Northern Brazil (and the free pussy that I associate with anywhere but Rio, Sao Paulo and Salvador).

One warning- a fellow mongerer had a bad experience with Bebeloira. I will not repeat because of the price, but if she were priced like the other girls, I would repeat often.

I came back to Sao Paulo today. I had been drooling over Maya (http://www.mclass.com.br/scripts/mclass.dll/det?codaco=1277&retorno=4), AKA Anita Rose, for the last few weeks. Amazingly enough, she picked up her phone and an hour later, she was in my hotel room naked. Maya has a perfect body (which she intends to enhance soon, for inexplicable reasons). she actually looks better than her photos. I would guess that she is 35/24/25. No stretch marks or any other annoying features to her smooth silky skin.

Life can be very very good.

Now, I don't want anyone to get the wrong opinion of this girl when I describe her performance. She is all GFE. She talks, gives opinions, laughs and tells stories. She loves Capitol Inicial, one of my favorite groups, and took the time to explain the lyrics to me when I played one of their recent CDs on my computer. But, despite her 43 positive reviews on GPguia.net, she has become obsessed about disease. This meant a covered BJ, changing condoms for sex (she thinks the thicker condoms are safer), constant lubrication breaks, etc. She has stopped doing anal (in which I rarely partake, so this was not a problem for me). Actually, except for the covered BJ, which was WORTHLESS, the sex was a lot of fun. I had taken some medicine for a headache, and it took me nearly 90 minutes to finish. 90 uninteruppted minutes of pounding in 5 different positions. I was sweating like a pig at the end. She was a trooper!

With GPguia.net down, I hope the Sao Paulo crowd will review the individual hookers. These two were meant to be high level babes, and they were certainly 8s-maybe 9's-in most people's estimation. From the performance standpoint, Bebeloira was amazing if you love BBBJTC. But, she left me incapable of really vigorous sex afterwords (I like to use every moment of my time). In contrast, Maya/Anita Rose's oral skills were impossible to judge because of her phobia with disease. I cannot imagine she will be in the business much longer.

Off Road
04-20-05, 17:44
If you are looking for a good Charrascaria, one of my regulars is Angelica Grille on Ave Angelica in Hiegenopolos (not too far from Centro). The buffet price is about $20R, plus drinks and dessert. It is great quality, large, bright, and good price performer. Open all nights fairly late (we closed it the other night at 1am).

Vatel69
04-20-05, 18:01
First, at the recommendation of a fellow mongerer, I arranged some time with Bebeloira. She wanted 500 reals for 1.5 hours, a price I agreed to without complaint (I know for a fact that she will come down to 400 reals).
For 500 reals/90 minutes, I was expecting magic.

Forest, I don´t know who arranged for you with Bebeloira, but her usual price is R$200,00. That is the price she posted in all the brazilian forums. Sorry man.

Vatel69
04-20-05, 18:04
Gpguia apparently had a very troublesome increase of access to their webpage and they are changing servers. This info was given by one of the administrators.

Member #4643
04-21-05, 00:25
Dear Hub666: No one but I arranged for the Bebeloira, as I speak Portuguese. I guess I got ripped off, although the Brazilian boards are very unreliable about price. I was certainly aware that the price quoted to me was higher than normal, but I do not like to bargain. I feel it may affect the performance of the lady. I just say yes or no when I hear the price.

Please do not bother to flame. I have read this argument too many times.

Adickt
04-21-05, 03:46
Forest, I loved your report but I have a comment I need to get out to all the mongers. Also, this is not directed to you, so please don't be affended, but how can you say that Maya is GFE? I have never had a girl friend who put a tire on my dick to give me head in my whole life, and I am 50 years old. I pick my escorts by looking for GFE. I hate condums, but I have to use them for intercourse due the the STD risk. I end up doing more oral, and love it. I believe it was last year in the Wall Street, an article that wrote about a 5 year study in San Franciso to asses the STD risk of oral sex. I heard it was also in Time Magazine. It was also on the national news that night. They studied 5,000 gay cuples in which one partner was HIV positive and the other was not. They were paid to only participate in oral sex and could swallow. The shocker was that NOT ONE of the HIV negative partners, after all that time, became HIV positive. In addition, not one other STD was passed. However, the article did point out that there are studies that did find a few sdt transmittions. Nothing serious though if treated. I always try and have the girl rinse with something like listerine prior. The biggest risk is passing the bug on from somebody else. She probable would not get it. I have no idea about the reverse. However, I have eaten 500 to 1,000 pussies in my life, and I have never contracted anything whatsoever. It can't just be all luck.
I do get a total STD screen every year with my company payed check-up.
So she is either misinformed, or my guess, she just does not like the tast of dick.
Guys, please do not say a girl is GFE when they do not give BBBJ. That has to be a requirement. Instead, please say that they were GFE-B or something, so we are not mislead, and spend money, and be disappointed. I think we need a thread on what a GFE is.

Member #4643
04-21-05, 06:37
Adickt: I am not certain what GFE means, but this girl was very, very sweet. In most ways, she acted like a girl friend (in fact, I have had girl friends who refused oral sex. Not surprisingly, they never lasted very long). She was just paranoid about exchanging body fluids, even minute amounts. In fact, I agree with you about the value of BBBJ, and think that it is hard to be truly satisfied without it, but GFE is such a non specific term that I used it rather loosely.

I am certain that she does not read the newspapers. That might be why she is filled with misinformation about the risks of oral sex. The figure usually quoted, incidentally, is that when one has unprotected oral sex with an HIV+ person, the risks of getting HIV for the recipient are about 1 per 1000 sexual events. But who knows how reliable such an estimate is. For the male, inidentally, the risks are probably lower unless the girl has problems with her teeth and gums. Thus, I suspect we should all be inspecting our hookers like cowboys inspect their cattle. It certainly would make the intial encounters more interesting.

I must admit that I like the format of the Portuguese boards. When they "test drive" a girl, they are required to rate her in three categories: Does she do anal, does she do oral without a condom, and does she kiss. And, for each girl, there is a running talley. Most girls start out doing all three, and as you follow their reviews over time, they typically drop anal and then some drop oral without. Very few refuse to kiss (unlike their American counterparts). Of course, alot of guys add categories to their individual reviews, and they are very informative (eg, face, body, tits, ass, etc). I would LOVE a test drive section for this board. Sadly, GPGuia.net is down now, otherwise, I suspect I would have found out before calling that Anita Rose no longer did oral without a condom.

in any case, I will refrain from using the term GFE until there is a real definition posted.

Rovnak
04-23-05, 03:16
Well, I'm back from paradise and already jonesing to return as soon as possible. I had a good week in Rio. Rio is definitely less expensive for mongering, and I had some wonderful times, but I am more anxious to return to Sampa.

Overall, I prefer the Sampa scene, even though there are some great terams girls in Rio. I'm stretching to find a complaint here, but the termas staffs are smaller and fairly fixed and the boite areas are small so it is harder to just float and then strike. I prefer the larger clubs in Sampa where you can float around more freely before settling on a choice. And the sheer number of clubs and the number of girls in Sampa make for a larger pool. Not to mention there are fewer tourists in Sampa. But I hope everyone else stays in Rio and leave the Sampa girls to me!!

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here can help me out with some musical education. I know that there are several flavors of Brasilian music, mpb, foro, choro(sp?), axe, samba, samba pagode, etc. I have several good albums that I have enjoyed for years, mostly mpb stuff. Now when I was at Bomboa, on two occassions, Saturday and Wednesday, nights they had live bands. The bands were playing just wonderful music. I can't get one of the numbers played by the Wednesday night band, in particular, out of my head. Does anyone here know whether the Bomboa band(s) music falls into a particular category of samba and, if so, can you recommend any artists/albums that have similar sound. I particularly love the strong sound of the ukelele like guitar that was used by both bands. Bomboa should just sell house recordings for all of us mongers who need something to tide us over until we can return to paradise.

Stowe
04-23-05, 04:32
Hey Forest,

Actually there has never been a known case of HIV transmittal through oral sex. Scientists have discovered that for some unknown reason saliva does something to prevent or kill the HIV virus. I verified this with a medical doctor last year.


That is not to say a mutated virus may not develop.


Suerte,

Bruce

Bobo5
04-23-05, 14:52
Hi guys,

I'll be spending a sunday afternoon and night in Sao Paulo soon, anybody can suggest me some club/terma/etc.?

Keep up with the great job!

MoonDog
04-23-05, 16:18
in any case, I will refrain from using the term GFE until there is a real definition posted.
Forest,

Some of the girl are just like vending machines. You money is put in, she lies there, and you do the deed. Contrast that with a girl that you bring home with you, who is all over you in the club, the taxi, the elevator, and in your room, says nothing about money, attacks you without hesitation, and nothing is held back. A bbbj is definitely part of the program. She is very sweet afterwards, and is in no hurry to leave. That to me is a GFE. Other guys may have different definitions, but this works for me.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Cachorro
04-23-05, 21:06
Rovnak, sorry I was only there once in Bomboa and don't remember the musical style so well.

The ukelele you mention sounds like it might be pagode. For this style, you could try the album by Grupo Revelacao, Ao Vivo no Olimpo, which is great music and an excellent live vibe.

Davis150
04-23-05, 22:46
Thanks for the report. She was on my list, but now she's off. On one of the scort sites she says her rates are $200 w/out anal/$400 with anal. She probably should have been off my list anyway, because I don't pay $400 and I always do anal. But the surgery, for me anyway, is a downer. There are so many georgeous nonsurgically altered garotas in Brazil, that I'd rather not pay to see scars. Plus, with the tit jobs, I always find it disconcerting to see those scars under the titties winking at me as they shake during a hard pounding. Despite the performance, I'll pass.

Thanks for the head's up.

Rovnak
04-24-05, 00:06
Cachorro,

Thanks, I have ordered that album. I will let you know if it is similar.

Big Boss Man
04-24-05, 00:09
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here can help me out with some musical education. I know that there are several flavors of Brasilian music, mpb, foro, choro(sp?), axe, samba, samba pagode, etc. I have several good albums that I have enjoyed for years, mostly mpb stuff. Now when I was at Bomboa, on two occassions, Saturday and Wednesday, nights they had live bands. The bands were playing just wonderful music. I can't get one of the numbers played by the Wednesday night band, in particular, out of my head. Does anyone here know whether the Bomboa band(s) music falls into a particular category of samba and, if so, can you recommend any artists/albums that have similar sound. I particularly love the strong sound of the ukelele like guitar that was used by both bands. Bomboa should just sell house recordings for all of us mongers who need something to tide us over until we can return to paradise.[/QUOTE]When I was in Bomboa in November 2003, there was a Forro' band playing. It is regional music from the North of Brazil. The most famous venue for Forro' is the Pirata club in Forteleza. Because I went to Forteleza on the same trip I remember that I thought the Bomboa band was better than anything I heard in Forteleza. Musicians improve if they are playing a steady regular gig. Of course, given the two year time in between when you and I were there, it does not mean you were listening to Forro'.

Member #4643
04-27-05, 03:27
The GPGUIA.NET site is up and operating. It is clear that the Bebe's prices are all over the place. Recently, guys have been paying 200-250 BR sometimes with anal and sometimes without.

As for the surgical scars, they are not noticable. Even though I paid 500 BR, I have no regrets for the session I had with her. Firstr, its not enough money to matter. Second, why should I begrudge her the fact that she found a guy ready to pay 500BR. I am a capatalist too. But, I am not stupid. Next time its 200 BR or no deal!

Indeed, now that I am back home, my session with the Bebe seems like a very modest cost indeed. I have a session planned with Juliette (http://www.frenchkissmontreal.com/) from Montreal (HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS GFE PROVIDER). $550 Canadian for two hours. The Bebe is a real bargain for me!

Surferr3
04-28-05, 04:25
Just my luck.

Have no plans to monger for at least a month and popped in to see Forests review of bebeloira. (not to mention he saw her based on my strong reccommendation)

Brazil is full of MANY beautiful women. Bebe was a killer experience that I would contemplate reliving. I agree with you Forest in that her prices are high... I forgot what I paid but it was definately more than the average. I saw her based on the strong reviews on gpguia and have to say that she gave me the best BBBJTC (with pics) that I have ever had!! Would I do it again?.... not sure... I have a hard time focusing on one girl when traveling. I like the fact that I can cast out my line and get multiple bites of various prices. Like Forest said, comparing it to US prices it is a bargain like no other. (not to mention it was the best BBBJTC I have ever had)

Great update Forest, I enjoyed reading it and look forward to the next trip!!!

Davis150
04-29-05, 04:26
Okay, she's back on my list.

BebeLoria, her I cum!

Starfe
04-30-05, 15:26
This is starting to hurt!

J Wadd
04-30-05, 22:59
It dropped from 2.76 to 2.52 in the month I was down there. Blah!!

JW

Spidy
05-01-05, 02:17
Typically for me a stay in Sao Paulo means any where from 2 to 5 hours, in the form of a stop over in the airport, on my way to Rio or some other Brazilian city. So finally I am able to make actual stay in SP for a couple of days to check things out. I spent two (2) days in SP in mid-December and two (2) days in mid-April just before for the flight back home.

I think I have partially been afraid to stay in SP due to the sheer size and enormity of the city and population. Not to mention the crime scene. However, I am happy to report that this was not the case. Even at 2:00am in the morning I was walking around alone close to Prca. Republica, Rua Augusta, SP Hilton, Kilt and Love Story areas, with no problems at all. But one should always walk around/take taxis, according their own comfort level.

One thing that I was amazed at was the amount of sex video stores, sex shops and sex theaters to be found in centro. Quite the dizzying area of venues.

Decided to try a number of the sex theaters, don’t really remember the names of the ones I found to be the best, but YMMV. Most charge you about R$5 to enter and have bars and girls and sex cinema for the viewing. Most of the girls will try to hit-you-up for drink, as they get a kick-back and in some places you most pay between R$20-R$40 for a specially drink, which then gives you the privilege to take a gal of your choice to a dark “groping” room or private cabin (if a price for sex is pre-arranged). I simply wanted a lots of afternoon groping and fingering and manage to get a fair amount of grouping for my R$25/drink, but in no time all many of the girls would be asking for you to buy them another drink if you wanted to continue groping. This sucked!! It became annoying in many places and soon after I would just exit and go somewhere else. It was just becoming too expensive for midday and early evening mongering, not too mention the quality of the girls wasn’t really worth it.

I did manage to find a couple of cheaper sex/bar theaters were a tall/large bottle of beer for R$12, would get me ample “groping” and kissing for the money. Only problem was the quality wasn’t great for the most part, but I did mange to find a decent morena (with a good attitude) to get drunk and wild with for a few hours. As it turned out, I manage to convince her into coming back to my hotel (the Mecure, Rua Araujo, R$130/day) for TLN for $120, after she got off work. She turned out to be a great GFE, lots of BBBJs, with several sessions during the night/morning (8:00am departure).

Most of the sex scene revolves around Ipiranga (as posted here before). It is important to note that some of these sex theaters actually serve to a gay audience as well, so be careful when wondering in and out of some of these areas in the theaters, as you may get some strange looks from other guys glancing towards your crotch.

The infamous “8-story sex buildings”. Well after a great deal of walking I mange to find one on Rua dos Andrades (R$10 for 10min.) and another on #134 Al. Br. De Limeira (R$15 for 10min.), both are situated just off Av. Ipiranga. I was looking to get some afternoon BBBJs, but oddly enough, none would give a BBBJ. I did find one older woman (nice enough face, but a little pudgy for my tastes), who said she would give a BBBJ, but I decide to pass. True enough, there can be some gems to be found, but it requires you to run “the ugly 8-story gauntlet” first. If you do find a nice “honey” then sex for R$10-15 is not bad (or whatever you negotiate with them).

All-in-all the “8-story sex buildings” experience was disappointing. At first I thought what a great place for afternoon pussy, but after getting turned down for a BBBJ and not finding enough quality pussy, I got tired of looking. Especially when compared to the quality that can be found in the “converted-motels 2&3 story sex buildings” in Belo Horizonte, SP pails in comparison. Still I like the idea…just hope there are better places for this kind of action in SP, then the two I found.

During the night, I would checkout the SWs along Rua Augusta and some of the bar scene around Rua Ipiranga. The SWs seem to be notably better looking than Rio, but also somewhat more harden. Prices seem fair from what I remember (R$50/half-hr or R$100/hr). I never ventured into the many strip clubs/bars around Rua Augusta, due to the fact I wasn’t interested at the time and the fact I thought they would be all just a con to get me to buy expensive drinks (for ugly/fat women) once inside. Maybe I’ll try next time!

I did get a chance to check out Bomboa in mid-December and again in mid-April. The first time I was very, very impressed with the quality of gals, but not the second time (maybe an off night). Entrance fee of about R$130 was the same both times, but all the girls were asking R$200 a session (April 2005), where as in December 2004, you could negotiate with them. I do remember this “Celine Dione” look-a-like that I wanted to fuck, but she was snapped-up rather quickly as she became available. Ahhh! All-in-all I thought the quality and club was decent and I had a decent time, but IMHO there is better value to be had, with the same quality of girls, at the termas (like 4X4) in Rio.

Love Story (the SP version of Help in Rio), was more my idea of mongering. I hooked up with Ecanto (from WSG, mid Dec 2004) and we enjoyed several beers together, dances with several of the girls and swapped notes on various other cities and places to practice mongering. Very enjoyable, thanks Ecanto and hopefully we can hookup again sometime.

The quality at LS was decent that night (mid Dec 2004), although many of the girls were asking between R$250-350 for TLN (or until you cum, which ever came first, which usually meant 1 to 1.5 hours, because it was usually 5, 6, 7am or later in the morning, when you left with a gal). I managed to hookup with a brunette, with a great body in a nice tight form fitting black dress, by the name Claudia. Much like the Help girls, if you wait long enough, the girls at Love Story will drop their prices. Claudia turned out to be a great fuck. Total GFE, lots of DATY, DFK and BBBJs. No anal although rimming was allowed. At about 8:00am in the morning at LS, we agreed on R$100 for 1 hour, but the sex was so good, I could help but tip another R$50. From her demeanor and attitude I believe she was a semi-pro and only occasionally goes to LS.

Briefly, had a chance to look around (got the “3 minute tour”) at some of the boites like Kilt, Cocktail, Big Ben and was very impressed with the girls, but not some the fees that were charged for entrance and drinks. Maybe next time with more time and sleep, I shall investigate.

SP although somewhat expensive, I had a good time and is worth another visit and with more time (and sleep) I hope to get a better feel for the city that I think has a lot to offer.

Ciao
Spidy

Genghis Khan
05-01-05, 12:55
I will be in Sampa from May 12 to May 21. Anybody else around?

GK

Sphere2
05-01-05, 16:10
Genghis Khan,

I'll be in Sampa May 16 - May 23 (or until May 20 if I go to Rio).

Sphere

Sphere2
05-01-05, 16:42
G K,

I'll be in Sampa May 16 - May 23 unless I go to Rio on May 20.

Sphere

P.S. I posted this once before, but it hasn't show up yet.

MoonDog
05-02-05, 14:08
I'll be in town on the 17th and 18th.

Moondog

Sphere2
05-03-05, 01:25
Moondog,

What are your plans? This is my first trip to Sampa. I'm planning on hitting some clubs, visiting a clinica or two and trying out a few freelancers.

I've been to Rio a few times, and I might stop in for a few days after Sampa. Not that it makes a difference, but I speak basic Portugues.

Sphere

Rovnak
05-03-05, 07:03
Cachorro,

I just got the Revelacao Ao Vivo No Olimpo cd.

It certainly has that ukelele sound I was referring to. But I'm not sure if its the same musically as the bands I heard at Bomboa. For one, the Grupo Revelacao band doesn't do much improvisation in this cd. They seem to stick to the lyrics and its a bit disappointing that there is more of the audience singing than of the band. At least the audience is having a good time. I'm glad I have the cd, don't get me wrong. But the Bomboa band seemed "jazzier", they seemed to improvise a lot instrumentally before returning to the chorus and there was more interplay between the musicians. This Grupo Revalacao seem to play it very straight.

Anyway, I think I am going back to Sampa in July so I will get this straight then.

MoonDog
05-03-05, 08:12
Moondog,

What are your plans? This is my first trip to Sampa. I'm planning on hitting some clubs, visiting a clinica or two and trying out a few freelancers.

I've been to Rio a few times, and I might stop in for a few days after Sampa. Not that it makes a difference, but I speak basic Portugues.

Sphere
Answered via PM.

Moondog

Bobo5
05-03-05, 11:27
Please help with some hints for a lazy Sunday.

Bobo

MoonDog
05-03-05, 16:23
Please help with some hints for a lazy Sunday.

Bobo
The Kilt and some of the surrounding clubs are open on Sunday night. For daytime action, call some of the massage places and escorts. A few will be open and some of the escorts will come over on Sunday. With the escorts, expect to only get around one hit out of about 10-20 tries on a Sunday, but you may get lucky. :)

Moondog

Rovnak
05-03-05, 16:47
Bobo5,

Assuming you are there a few days before Sunday, your best bet would be to take the phone numbers of as many girls you meet before Sunday and ask each one if they are available to meet you on Sunday. That will give you a few options. Also, Bahamas is open on Sunday, see report below. That is a higher end option to Kilt.

I don't know of any respectable clinicas that are open on Sunday.

Rovnak
05-03-05, 17:03
Can someone clarify how the hotels that are not girl friendly handle the situation if you reserve for two adults? Do they still ask each visitor for identification? Do they track who visits and if you have one visitor in the afternoon and another in the evening do they ding you for an extra charge. Effectively, do they expect the "other" party to be a fixed person?

The reason I ask is that last trip I stayed at both the Mercure Trianon and the Mercure Jardins. In both places I only reserved for 1 adult. In the Mercure Trianon I had one overnight visitor and they did not charge me at all.

However, I got dinged badly by the Mercure Jardins. On a Saturday, I had one visitor in the afternoon and another in the evening. In the afternoon I met the lady in the lobby. I did not think I was being observed. In the evening the desk clerk asked the other lady for her id and made me sign a bill adjustment note. Then when I checked out I found out that they had ALSO noted the afternoon girl and therefore charged me 100R adjustment (50 + 50). This is outrageous by them and stupid by me, since the difference b/t 1 adult and 2 adults in a reservation is only 15-20R.

So next trip I hope to be smart. First, is it reasonable to ask the hotel or aparthotel if they charge extra for guests? Or is this the type of thing that you are better off not asking because they are obligated to tell you that you will be charged even if their unwritten policy is not to charge?


Second, if I do reserve for 2 adults, see my original question re how they treat different guests over time.

Finally, there are a lot of aparthotels in the Jardin Paulista that you will not find on the internet that have good rates. When I was unhappy with the Parthenon St. Germain, I walked around the neighborhood and easily found 4 aparthotels or residence hotels around the block. These places were all better than the St. Germain, and were comparably priced. I did not find out about the girl friendliness of them since at that time I assumed they would be. This was before I got dinged by the Mercure Jardins.

Rovnak
05-03-05, 17:20
I have to admit that I love mirrors in the bedroom. I find that the girls like them too. Some of my best memories are from the mirrors in the club rooms. Anybody know of a good hotel or aparthotel with bed visible mirrors?

Cachorro
05-04-05, 01:53
Hotels and guests

It varies from city to city, and depending on the type of hotel they want to run (family / business / short time etc).

If the hotel is not girl friendly, when you mention you want to reserve a double and that your girlfriend is coming later, they`ll ask you her name and note it down. When the girl arrives, ID will be checked and only your nominated guest can go into the room. Other girls will be denied, they`ll simply say that visitors are not permitted in the room.

Surferr3
05-04-05, 05:52
I wrote a review a few months back and had the same dilema regarding Sunday. I took full advantage of LAguys casa report and visited 2 different casas on the Sunday when I was in SP.

Mongering and all aside, I thought Sunday was a great day in SP. The streets were quiet, no traffic, and very peaceful for such a large city. I walked and toured many streets around the Mercure Jardins that I previously avoided due to crowds, traffic, and not knowing where the hell I was going!

I'm jealous man. Take a peak at LAGuys report. I can assure you that when you knock on the door at the Casa's, the girls will be working. Of course, results are and were mixed but sharpen your blade and dive in.