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Bango Cheito
05-01-11, 07:39
It has been mystery to me for a long time. I need to go to bed around 1am everyday no matter what. How could these guys in the 50s and 60s drink untill 6 in the morning? What time do they get up? 1pm?I aint that old yet but if I'm not working I get up around 1 or 2pm. I hate mornings.

Free pussy not only is almost never free, it's generally been hit as much as any WG, and often with less protection involved. Any Colombia who readily gives it up for a foreigner probably has had 1000s of miles of cock run through her already. Keepin it real.

Cyberdas
05-01-11, 08:10
Not to discourage anyone from trying to get their fair share of "free" pussy in Colombia (or most of Latin America (if not all) for that matter) but unfortunately, you have take things with a grain of salt and accept the fact that things have become very out-of-control in terms of "non-pro" relationships. IMHO, one is almost just better off going down the straight P4P route as this will, at the end, save you a ton of dough, energies, be. S, and time.

I have been saying this for some time. That there are two sets of rules "non-pro" chicas in Colombia (and other L. A. Countries as well) apply: a) those that apply to the locals and be) those that apply to all the other dumb-asses (foreigners) that visit and even live there. Sad but true. And I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this board, au contraire, it's just to somewhat reinforce what Bango Cheito has said. I'm sure most of you know this already, but the girls there put out to local men with less hassles, costs, and be. S. Than they would for us out-of-towners. It's really amazing to see how badly local men can threat them as they don't given them any $$, they don't buy them jack sh*t, they could care less for them, bang them without protection and then bang other girls in the same manner as well. All this while knowing what time it is with them and yet, still falling for them each time. Guys there drink and party like drunken sailors and could give a rat's ass about them. While we sensitive, gentlemen, considerate,"Americanized" men threat them in opposite manners only to get the shaft at the end.

Colombianos don't pay and they get to ball them natural with no rubber and make them fall in love with them, while they're at it, and we out-of-towners have to pay for that "free" pussy one way or another, while being careful not to go in without protection out of fear of purposefully getting knocked-up by us (or claiming to be when in reality it was by their local novios) and all with a 90% + chance of getting the shaft or being taken as a free trip to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Brother P
05-01-11, 10:32
I agree 100. My "Amiga" was talking about visiting me in America, and blah, blah, blah. Then five minutes later she's telling me," you know I'm working"! Really? I could have put the dinner and drink money toward a session! I guess the lesson is have a good time. But don't forget, its not real.


Not to discourage anyone from trying to get their fair share of "free" pussy in Colombia (or most of Latin America (if not all) for that matter) but unfortunately, you have take things with a grain of salt and accept the fact that things have become very out-of-control in terms of "non-pro" relationships. IMHO, one is almost just better off going down the straight P4P route as this will, at the end, save you a ton of dough, energies, be. S, and time.

I have been saying this for some time. That there are two sets of rules "non-pro" chicas in Colombia (and other L. A. Countries as well) apply: a) those that apply to the locals and be) those that apply to all the other dumb-asses (foreigners) that visit and even live there. Sad but true. And I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this board, au contraire, it's just to somewhat reinforce what Bango Cheito has said. I'm sure most of you know this already, but the girls there put out to local men with less hassles, costs, and be. S. Than they would for us out-of-towners. It's really amazing to see how badly local men can threat them as they don't given them any $$, they don't buy them jack sh*t, they could care less for them, bang them without protection and then bang other girls in the same manner as well. All this while knowing what time it is with them and yet, still falling for them each time. Guys there drink and party like drunken sailors and could give a rat's ass about them. While we sensitive, gentlemen, considerate,"Americanized" men threat them in opposite manners only to get the shaft at the end.

Colombianos don't pay and they get to ball them natural with no rubber and make them fall in love with them, while they're at it, and we out-of-towners have to pay for that "free" pussy one way or another, while being careful not to go in without protection out of fear of purposefully getting knocked-up by us (or claiming to be when in reality it was by their local novios) and all with a 90% + chance of getting the shaft or being taken as a free trip to the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Artful
05-01-11, 13:13
Hi.

1) Is there any way to get a Colombian prepaid phone to work (specifically receive messages / calls) in Europe? I think not but thought I'd ask anyway.

2) Is there a service where you can buy a Colombian number that will receive text messages and calls, just like Skype 'online number' service? This would be perfect but they don't support Colombian so I'm wondering if there's an alternative.

TIA.

A

Hillbilly69
05-01-11, 13:21
Hi.

1) Is there any way to get a Colombian prepaid phone to work (specifically receive messages / calls) in Europe? I think not but thought I'd ask anyway.

2) Is there a service where you can buy a Colombian number that will receive text messages and calls, just like Skype 'online number' service? This would be perfect but they don't support Colombian so I'm wondering if there's an alternative.

TIA.

ARomance Latina has free Colombian texting with membership I think. So if you had internet phone in Europe you could send recieve text messages in this way.

Hioctane
05-02-11, 07:14
Romance Latina has free Colombian texting with membership I think. So if you had internet phone in Europe you could send recieve text messages in this way.With RL, you can send text but not receive. You do have to be a paid member though. You can also check out heywire. They have free apps for iPhone and Android that can text for free.

Artful
05-02-11, 21:07
Thanks Hicotane and Hillbilly, but I was really looking for was a virtual Colombian number that can send and receive texts, as my prepaid Colombian Movistar isn't working now in Europe.


With RL, you can send text but not receive. You do have to be a paid member though. You can also check out heywire. They have free apps for iPhone and Android that can text for free.

MiamiHeatLuver
05-03-11, 20:09
Some funny shit in this thread! LOL

Mr Enternational
05-04-11, 05:20
I have been saying this for some time. That there are two sets of rules "non-pro" chicas in Colombia (and other L. A. Countries as well) apply: a) those that apply to the locals and be) those that apply to all the other dumb-asses (foreigners) that visit and even live there. Sad but true. And I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this board, au contraire, it's just to somewhat reinforce what Bango Cheito has said. I'm sure most of you know this already, but the girls there put out to local men with less hassles, costs, and be. S. Than they would for us out-of-towners. It's really amazing to see how badly local men can threat them as they don't given them any $$, they don't buy them jack sh*t, they could care less for them, bang them without protection and then bang other girls in the same manner as well. All this while knowing what time it is with them and yet, still falling for them each time. Guys there drink and party like drunken sailors and could give a rat's ass about them. While we sensitive, gentlemen, considerate,"Americanized" men threat them in opposite manners only to get the shaft at the end.I'm American and my experience is the same as you describe for locals. The two or three times that women brought up anything about money or thinking I was going to spend a lot of money for whatever reason I have cut them off at the root. But it is the same for me where ever I am. As people have said before on this forum, if you don't have a way with women at home, then you shouldn't expect to have it in foreign lands. Unless you are confusing it with someone who is just trying to use you.

I don't stay at Dann Carlton or the Marriott; I don't eat at nice restaurants; hell, I do not even take taxis if I do not have to. When I am with a girl we are on the bus, going to the mall food court, going to the movies, or cooking at home. I'm not doing anything with her or showing her anything that she could not have done with the average local guy. And they are happy with just spending time with me. If they bring up something that costs more than I am willing to pay then I say,"I am not rich baby," and they understand.

A lot of times a guy may run into problems when they start out by throwing money around. And it is apparent from the prices some guys pay for P4P. I personally have never paid more than 50K pesos for P4P in Colombia and my P4P there is very limited due to the time I spend with non-pros. How could guys possibly believe they would spend more with a non-pro there? Colombia is very economical. That is one of the reasons I like it so much.

Of course I don't buy girls anything either. What would I need to buy them? Why would I need to buy them anything? I am not their father. I have my own daughter to provide for. If I give them anything then it is usually a t-shirt or key chain from someplace I have been or a coffee mug from Walmart with my city on it. And again, they are happy with that.

Hioctane
05-04-11, 15:22
I have been saying this for some time. That there are two sets of rules "non-pro" chicas in Colombia (and other L. A. Countries as well) apply: a) those that apply to the locals and be) those that apply to all the other dumb-asses (foreigners) that visit and even live there. Sad but true. And I'm not saying this to offend anyone on this board, au contraire, it's just to somewhat reinforce what Bango Cheito has said. I'm sure most of you know this already, but the girls there put out to local men with less hassles, costs, and be. S. Than they would for us out-of-towners. It's really amazing to see how badly local men can threat them as they don't given them any $$, they don't buy them jack sh*t, they could care less for them, bang them without protection and then bang other girls in the same manner as well. All this while knowing what time it is with them and yet, still falling for them each time. Guys there drink and party like drunken sailors and could give a rat's ass about them. While we sensitive, gentlemen, considerate,"Americanized" men threat them in opposite manners only to get the shaft at the end.There seems to be some confusion with the definition of "non-pro." The type of chicas you speak of are in fact pros or at the very least semi-pros. In my book a "non-pro"/civilian, does not ask for money nor expect it. IMO, if they they have met more than one gringo. They have probably moved into the "semi-pro" category.

Ricker
05-04-11, 16:44
... People assume their lives are just like everyone elses. They're not. Speak spanish, have money, plan ahead, be in good shape and you are going to get laid. Hell you can get laid just with the promise of security ("money") alone unless you're an idiot or would rather pay for them to leave. I like to have a GF that doesn't smoke, speaks no english, has never met a foreigner, lives with mom and drinks jugo de pina while I'm drinking my pilsen.I have to admit, I agree with this completely.

Guys assume that everyone has the same experience as them, and it's just not true.

Totally depends on your attributes and planning as stated above.

Brother P
05-04-11, 18:01
For the record. Someone posted about an unpleasant experience with a game running chica and ended the post with, p4p is the best way. I shared an similar experience, and agreed that p4p is the best way.

Now, I don't understand how you guys have taken this mean I think we all share the same lives and experiences, clearly we don't. I was responding to a post that I quoted! Peace to all!


I have to admit, I agree with this completely.

Guys assume that everyone has the same experience as them, and it's just not true.

Totally depends on your attributes and planning as stated above.

MiamiHeatLuver
05-04-11, 18:09
For those mongers calling all of their "NOVIAS" this could be a solution to buying your novia a computer to skype with, phone cards. Even might work out cheaper than buying all of those ORBITEL recharges. When you must call those novias cellphones only because they claim they do not have a landline. LOL

Member #4351
05-04-11, 18:30
There seems to be some confusion with the definition of "non-pro." The type of chicas you speak of are in fact pros or at the very least semi-pros. In my book a "non-pro"/civilian, does not ask for money nor expect it. IMO, if they they have met more than one gringo. They have probably moved into the "semi-pro" category.As Jack Nicholson said to Randy Quaid in the film "Cinderella Liberty",: "let me tell you something about pussy kid, sooner or later, in one way or another, you always end up paying for it."

John Gault
05-04-11, 18:57
I'm American and my experience is the same as you describe for locals. The two or three times that women brought up anything about money or thinking I was going to spend a lot of money for whatever reason I have cut them off at the root. But it is the same for me where ever I am. As people have said before on this forum, if you don't have a way with women at home, then you shouldn't expect to have it in foreign lands. Unless you are confusing it with someone who is just trying to use you.

I don't stay at Dann Carlton or the Marriott; I don't eat at nice restaurants; hell, I do not even take taxis if I do not have to. When I am with a girl we are on the bus, going to the mall food court, going to the movies, or cooking at home. I'm not doing anything with her or showing her anything that she could not have done with the average local guy. And they are happy with just spending time with me. If they bring up something that costs more than I am willing to pay then I say,"I am not rich baby," and they understand.

A lot of times a guy may run into problems when they start out by throwing money around. And it is apparent from the prices some guys pay for P4P. I personally have never paid more than 50K pesos for P4P in Colombia and my P4P there is very limited due to the time I spend with non-pros. How could guys possibly believe they would spend more with a non-pro there? Colombia is very economical. That is one of the reasons I like it so much.

Of course I don't buy girls anything either. What would I need to buy them? Why would I need to buy them anything? I am not their father. I have my own daughter to provide for. If I give them anything then it is usually a t-shirt or key chain from someplace I have been or a coffee mug from Walmart with my city on it. And again, they are happy with that. I enjoyed your post. I even picked up a pointer or two.

I think the key to your thoughts here is to not make a big splash money wise when you first get involved with a Chica.

If you start off by eating in fancy resturants, then it is hard to give them street food the next day.

A movie or something to eat should make them happy as most of their Colombian Novios don't even do that much.

Myself I made the mistake of giving a Non pro 20K taxi money because I did not have a 10K bill. After that it would be hard the next time to give her less. A small example, sure, but I think makes the point.

The only issue I don't agree with you is the gift part. On her birthday or other important events then I feel a gift is a nice thing. Hell it makes me feel good to see the look on their face. If they have a child and you buy a 5K toy that is also great for me.

As far as the over paying by Gringos for P4P I believe it is really getting out of hand. This mentality of { hey I'm on vacation } will help pave the way for a Costa Rica atmosphere. Really guys if you use your head a little it will beneifit us all in the long run. In my experence maybe less than 5 % of the Pros I have talked to have never come down in price. To make matters more clear I am not talking about trying to get a Mayorista Chica down from her 30K price. I'm talking about the Girls who open up with a 200 to 300K price. She will take less and if not then around the corner there may be a gem for half the price. Remember, you are the Hunter not the Prey.

John Gault
05-04-11, 19:02
As Jack Nicholson said to Randy Quaid in the film "Cinderella Liberty",: "let me tell you something about pussy kid, sooner or later, in one way or another, you always end up paying for it."Cinderella Liberty. I think I would like to see that one again. I liked the scene at the start of the movie when the female lead was shooting pool.

LuckyEddie
05-04-11, 20:53
There seems to be some confusion with the definition of "non-pro." The type of chicas you speak of are in fact pros or at the very least semi-pros. In my book a "non-pro"/civilian, does not ask for money nor expect it. IMO, if they they have met more than one gringo. They have probably moved into the "semi-pro" category.I can't say I really agree with this last line.


For the record. Someone posted about an unpleasant experience with a game running chica and ended the post with, p4p is the best way. I shared an similar experience, and agreed that p4p is the best way.

Now, I don't understand how you guys have taken this mean I think we all share the same lives and experiences, clearly we don't. I was responding to a post that I quoted! Peace to all! I am on the other side of this and disagree, in a friendly way of course. I think it costs less the non P4P girl.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=1131821&viewfull=1#post1131821

First off all here is the issue. It may not be your issue:

A) Guys that make prepagos their "girlfriend" and call them "non-pro girlfriends"

B) Guys that are way older with a "girlfriend" waaay out of their league and call them "non-pro girlfriends"

Both of the above "Girlfriends" are looking for money (any wonder?) , lie, have other boyfriends, play games, etc. They are not really "non-pro girlfriends"

So, the guy ends up spending more money, playing games, dealing with lies and taking abuse. Getting played. Of course this "non-pro girlfriend" costs a lot more than a pro. But she is not a real non-pro. She is and always was a puta or if she is a non-pro she is a waaaay out of the guy's league. Meaning he is the "sugar daddy".

Think about yourself at 22 years old living in Colombia with tons of young hot girlfriend options, yet you have to date a 50 year old German immigrant who looks like Rosie O Donnel? She better be shelling out the bucks, right? You don't care how cultured Rosie is or how well she cooks or has travelled the world or even if she speaks your language fluently. There HAS to be something in it for you. Even then you are still going to bang your 19 year old hottie on the side and maybe even her 20 year old cousin. You are going to have to lie and play games with Rosie.

Regular non pros in Colombia who are in your league do not cost more than putas if you have a real girl. Not a situation from the above A) or B).

Of course all girls cost some money:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSKxw2B2PU&feature=related

But real Colombian girls cost less than Colombian putas and less than all girls in your home country.

Because, as opposed to your home country, things overall cost less in third world countries and the girls expect less. Out to dinner and a movie, a little gift here and there, pay the taxi, bring a cake.

In your home country you need to make big bucks, big job, new car, well dressed, fancy restuarants, splurge on big ticket items, Broadway shows, vacations, bottles of wine and cosmopolitans and martinis just like Sex and the City. You name it.

In Colombia you take her to the movies and afterwards she drinks a beer and a shot of rum. You don't even need to have a car!

SlamCity7777
05-05-11, 00:26
The topic of girlfriend vs prepagos always pops up form time to time and it's ALWAYS the same BS.

Any and everything has and could happen to you if you're open to the oportunity. I've been lucky enough to have met and made girlfriends with non-prepagos / normal girls all over South America. Not bragging just a fact. I've paid for girls more hot and less hot than my actual novias. I've developed actual friendships / what ever you want to call it with prepagos to the point where I have been invited to diner and family parties.

Bottom line: You / We all pay for pussy. One way or another we all pay so why hate? If dude A wants to call chick A his Novia but he has to hit the ATM when they go out; show me how this is different?

As for Old Guys with young hot chicks, I'm tired of the hating. I'm still on the young side of the fence (Early 30's but look 20ish) but have learned that it's WHO YOU ARE. If you provide companionship and or security or even straight cash who cares? Who are we to judge?

People stop hating! If you see some old dude in Parque Gringo (let's kill the Gringo chatter too, it's just a pronoun not a pejorative so leave it alone) and he is with some chica hotter than the one you have or if you don't have one. Step your game up! Be cool and nice to the girls, kill them with kindness but don't' be a sucker, do this on your terms not theirs, learn some spanish! Smile, Age is a number but cool is forever!

Brother P
05-05-11, 01:58
I see your point. A TRUE non pro GF will be cheaper than a puts, and if you have the time and espanol skills, probably a better experience.


I can't say I really agree with this last line.

I am on the other side of this and disagree, in a friendly way of course. I think it costs less the non P4P girl.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=1131821&viewfull=1#post1131821

First off all here is the issue. It may not be your issue:

A) Guys that make prepagos their "girlfriend" and call them "non-pro girlfriends"

B) Guys that are way older with a "girlfriend" waaay out of their league and call them "non-pro girlfriends"

Both of the above "Girlfriends" are looking for money (any wonder?) , lie, have other boyfriends, play games, etc. They are not really "non-pro girlfriends"

So, the guy ends up spending more money, playing games, dealing with lies and taking abuse. Getting played. Of course this "non-pro girlfriend" costs a lot more than a pro. But she is not a real non-pro. She is and always was a puta or if she is a non-pro she is a waaaay out of the guy's league. Meaning he is the "sugar daddy".

Think about yourself at 22 years old living in Colombia with tons of young hot girlfriend options, yet you have to date a 50 year old German immigrant who looks like Rosie O Donnel? She better be shelling out the bucks, right? You don't care how cultured Rosie is or how well she cooks or has travelled the world or even if she speaks your language fluently. There HAS to be something in it for you. Even then you are still going to bang your 19 year old hottie on the side and maybe even her 20 year old cousin. You are going to have to lie and play games with Rosie.

Regular non pros in Colombia who are in your league do not cost more than putas if you have a real girl. Not a situation from the above A) or B).

Of course all girls cost some money:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSKxw2B2PU&feature=related

But real Colombian girls cost less than Colombian putas and less than all girls in your home country.

Because, as opposed to your home country, things overall cost less in third world countries and the girls expect less. Out to dinner and a movie, a little gift here and there, pay the taxi, bring a cake.

In your home country you need to make big bucks, big job, new car, well dressed, fancy restuarants, splurge on big ticket items, Broadway shows, vacations, bottles of wine and cosmopolitans and martinis just like Sex and the City. You name it.

In Colombia you take her to the movies and afterwards she drinks a beer and a shot of rum. You don't even need to have a car!

LuckyEddie
05-05-11, 03:59
I see your point. A TRUE non pro GF will be cheaper than a puts, and if you have the time and espanol skills, probably a better experience.Living here helps too. Otherwise I wouldn't bother either and just stick with the pros. Much easier. Mixing the two is where one runs into problems.

A puta is a puta and a non working girl is a non working girl and none the twain shall meet.

LuckyEddie
05-05-11, 15:15
I see your point. A TRUE non pro GF will be cheaper than a puts, and if you have the time and espanol skills, probably a better experience.Agreed. Especially the time thing. Most girls with their shit half together aren't into the 2 week vacationing foreigner (nor the foreign guy way out of her league). The slutty girls will be and therein lies the grey area - and lastly the pros as long as your money is green.

I guess my post was to address the guys who say they are all girls are putas and all liars and all have other novios and it just costs less to screw putas as opposed to non pros. This is simply not true. These guys just never get to meet and date the regular girls.

A guy with decent game, average income living in Colombia going after girls somewhat in his league can find paradise. Feminine, good cooks, knows her place, is a great sensual lover, sweet, in great shape, beers and a half a pint of rum, doesn't need much to be happy; just a guy in her league who is not a player.

Me on a mongering vacation (2 weeks minimum) I don't bother with the regular girls nor the grey area girls And just hit the pros and be done with it. No need to fall in love with the the grey area Girls , pretending they are really into me and that they are regular girls.

Just find a good pro you click with, treat her well, get with her a handful of times and the service goes up. Many of these pros are super cool and awesome to hang with. Many times this is preferable, IMHO.

With this 5-10 years ago the vactioner could come back a few months later and pick up with this girl (and others) right where he left off, same price, same attitude. The girl on second or third return may no longer be a pro but have a menial job somewhere and thus is thrilled to have you come back and take her out. Everything was great.

But today that situation is much more scarce.

Today oftimes on return of the vacationer the process almost needs to start all over again with a different girl as the previous girl has discovered more foreigners, charges more, may not be available (a higher paying John calls her last minute so she cancels with you) and overall she is more a hardened pro. So prices are up and availiblity and quality go down. She does not tell you this so you come back and waste almost a week with "my kid is sick" but you are no longer the best option for her to make money. You are at the lower price point. Your diamond in the rough just may have "hit the Big Time". Mostly thanks to the internet boards for foreigners, internet boards for the ladies to post their photos to meet dates and PCs and internet are cheaper now so even estrato 2 girls have internet right in the comfort of their own homes.

Keepers are gold and may go sour at any time. This is now a mining process for girls with an unpredictable level of quality and shelflife on return of the foreigner.

Bango Cheito
05-05-11, 16:14
From my experience, even the juice-drinking lives with mom has to be home at 10pm kind of girl is still a puta at heart. There are three kinds of women in this world, putas out in the open, putas operating on the down low, and putas who don't even know their own true nature. But that nature NEVER changes.

My Colombian ex wasn't a puta when I met her, but she became one later, for many reasons. I spent 5 years with her in total, although the first part of that was long distance. We had real good times and real bad times.

One day I ran some rough numbers. For all the amazing mind-blowing barrier-stomping sex we had, and for what the relationship cost me in cold hard cash, I'd say I came about even compared to P4P. But I had a will of IRON with that girl. The other guys in her life have been repeatedly bled dry by her material interests :P (which also goes to show that Colombian men aren't really making out like bandits with these girls either!).

My American Newyorican ex wife was definitely a net loss, I woulda been better off with P4P. By quite a long shot, even at inflated NY prices for pussy compared to here.

The girl I had a 2 month fling with who was from another city, I made out like a bandit in those terms. I bought a few little gifts for her, took my own bus to visit her (when she came here she paid her own transport) , paid the hotel (45k a night 2 people, the hotel owner appreciates the frequent business) , when I was in her city she paid the food and taxis etc and I did the same for her. And we had the best sex I ever had. She's also firmly a semi-pro, NOT a non-pro.

The non-pros I think will tend to be a WORSE deal as they will be worse in bed and less honest about the way things are REALLY working in the relationship. Like I said, they may not even really know their own true intentions. 99% of human beings are actually totally out of touch with their own selves.

But don't fool yourselves, Colombia is a VICIOUSLY competitive country, these women are all beautifully turned out for a REASON, they have goals in mind ALL THE TIME and you are corollary to them at best. All this romance and sweet-talk shit here is just a veil hiding the reality. And the Colombianas play this game better than any other women I have ever seen. Women all over the world WILL trade up given the opportunity. And your 40 year old veterana "non-pro" GF is JUST as likely to get some on the side as any hot 20 year old. Reality check over!

Hioctane
05-05-11, 17:46
I can't say I really agree with this last line.

I am on the other side of this and disagree, in a friendly way of course. I think it costs less the non P4P girl.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=1131821&viewfull=1#post1131821

First off all here is the issue. It may not be your issue:

A) Guys that make prepagos their "girlfriend" and call them "non-pro girlfriends"

B) Guys that are way older with a "girlfriend" waaay out of their league and call them "non-pro girlfriends"

Both of the above "Girlfriends" are looking for money (any wonder?) , lie, have other boyfriends, play games, etc. They are not really "non-pro girlfriends"

So, the guy ends up spending more money, playing games, dealing with lies and taking abuse. Getting played. Of course this "non-pro girlfriend" costs a lot more than a pro. But she is not a real non-pro. She is and always was a puta or if she is a non-pro she is a waaaay out of the guy's league. Meaning he is the "sugar daddy".

Think about yourself at 22 years old living in Colombia with tons of young hot girlfriend options, yet you have to date a 50 year old German immigrant who looks like Rosie O Donnel? She better be shelling out the bucks, right? You don't care how cultured Rosie is or how well she cooks or has travelled the world or even if she speaks your language fluently. There HAS to be something in it for you. Even then you are still going to bang your 19 year old hottie on the side and maybe even her 20 year old cousin. You are going to have to lie and play games with Rosie.

Regular non pros in Colombia who are in your league do not cost more than putas if you have a real girl. Not a situation from the above A) or B).

Of course all girls cost some money:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSKxw2B2PU&feature=related

But real Colombian girls cost less than Colombian putas and less than all girls in your home country.

Because, as opposed to your home country, things overall cost less in third world countries and the girls expect less. Out to dinner and a movie, a little gift here and there, pay the taxi, bring a cake.

In your home country you need to make big bucks, big job, new car, well dressed, fancy restuarants, splurge on big ticket items, Broadway shows, vacations, bottles of wine and cosmopolitans and martinis just like Sex and the City. You name it.

In Colombia you take her to the movies and afterwards she drinks a beer and a shot of rum. You don't even need to have a car! I just meant that if a chica gets used to a certain lifestyle, they won't turn back. If a gringo showers her with gifts no matter how small, soon she will start thinking. What if I have 5 gringo friends that come visit me? I'm not saying all or like that, but it's just the natural order of things. When you get something nice, you want more. If you take a chica back home, she will turn into a gringa. No doubt about it!

Anyways, very well written. That is exactly what I mean by it being cheaper with a "real" non-pro.

LuckyEddie
05-05-11, 18:06
-There are three kinds of women in this world, putas out in the open, putas operating on the down low, and putas who don't even know their own true nature. But that nature NEVER changes.

-My Colombian ex wasn't a puta when I met her, but she became one later, for many reasons.

-We had real good times and real bad times.

One day I ran some rough numbers. For all the amazing mind-blowing barrier-stomping sex we had, And for what the relationship cost me in cold hard cash, I'd say I came about even compared to P4P.

My American Newyorican ex wife was definitely a net loss, I woulda been better off with P4P. By quite a long shot, even at inflated NY prices for pussy compared to here.

-The girl I had a 2 month fling with who was from another city, I made out like a bandit in those terms. And we had the best sex I ever had. She's also firmly a semi-pro, NOT a non-pro.

-The non-pros I think will tend to be a WORSE deal as they will be worse in bed and less honest about the way things are REALLY working in the relationship.

But don't fool yourselves, Colombia is a VICIOUSLY competitive country, these women are all beautifully turned out for a REASON, they have goals in mind ALL THE TIME and you are corollary to them at best.

-Women all over the world WILL trade up given the opportunity. And your 40 year old veterana "non-pro" GF is JUST as likely to get some on the side as any hot 20 year old. Reality check over!"One day I ran some rough numbers."

I like that part the best. My numbers are 200K a month for amazing mind-blowing barrier-stomping sex we had All the other stuff you write about, no disrespect, is of little concern to me personally, but thanks for sharing.

Legal Tender
05-05-11, 21:12
The frequent discussion of "pros" or "semi-pros" or "non-pros" really is a refusal to recognize reality. All relationships are contractual. The puta that sells her time an hour at a time is not all that different from the "amateur" that promises lifetime commitment. Every contract should have a consequence for the party that breaches it. Today with no fault divorce, that contract simply means that the partners are together until one decides the "marriage has become unsupportable," whatever the fuck that means. Simply put, if you find one of these girls that you chose to care about, then do it. The karma is from what you give, not what you get. The only thing you can be certain is that she's not fucking someone else when she's fucking you. And that assumes you're not into m / f/m three somes. All women know what they have that we want. God bless those that love to give pleasure. But, all of them will trade, given the proper circumstance. That includes yo mama.

Only good energy.


From my experience, even the juice-drinking lives with mom has to be home at 10pm kind of girl is still a puta at heart. There are three kinds of women in this world, putas out in the open, putas operating on the down low, and putas who don't even know their own true nature. But that nature NEVER changes.

My Colombian ex wasn't a puta when I met her, but she became one later, for many reasons. I spent 5 years with her in total, although the first part of that was long distance. We had real good times and real bad times.

One day I ran some rough numbers. For all the amazing mind-blowing barrier-stomping sex we had, and for what the relationship cost me in cold hard cash, I'd say I came about even compared to P4P. But I had a will of IRON with that girl. The other guys in her life have been repeatedly bled dry by her material interests :P (which also goes to show that Colombian men aren't really making out like bandits with these girls either!).

My American Newyorican ex wife was definitely a net loss, I woulda been better off with P4P. By quite a long shot, even at inflated NY prices for pussy compared to here.

The girl I had a 2 month fling with who was from another city, I made out like a bandit in those terms. I bought a few little gifts for her, took my own bus to visit her (when she came here she paid her own transport) , paid the hotel (45k a night 2 people, the hotel owner appreciates the frequent business) , when I was in her city she paid the food and taxis etc and I did the same for her. And we had the best sex I ever had. She's also firmly a semi-pro, NOT a non-pro.

The non-pros I think will tend to be a WORSE deal as they will be worse in bed and less honest about the way things are REALLY working in the relationship. Like I said, they may not even really know their own true intentions. 99% of human beings are actually totally out of touch with their own selves.

But don't fool yourselves, Colombia is a VICIOUSLY competitive country, these women are all beautifully turned out for a REASON, they have goals in mind ALL THE TIME and you are corollary to them at best. All this romance and sweet-talk shit here is just a veil hiding the reality. And the Colombianas play this game better than any other women I have ever seen. Women all over the world WILL trade up given the opportunity. And your 40 year old veterana "non-pro" GF is JUST as likely to get some on the side as any hot 20 year old. Reality check over!

LuckyEddie
05-05-11, 22:53
But, all of them will trade, given the proper circumstance. That includes yo mamaAnd yo grandmama too! Hehehehe

Brother P
05-05-11, 23:59
Damn LT! Thats a reality check fo yo a* LMAO!


The frequent discussion of "pros" or "semi-pros" or "non-pros" really is a refusal to recognize reality. All relationships are contractual. The puta that sells her time an hour at a time is not all that different from the "amateur" that promises lifetime commitment. Every contract should have a consequence for the party that breaches it. Today with no fault divorce, that contract simply means that the partners are together until one decides the "marriage has become unsupportable," whatever the fuck that means. Simply put, if you find one of these girls that you chose to care about, then do it. The karma is from what you give, not what you get. The only thing you can be certain is that she's not fucking someone else when she's fucking you. And that assumes you're not into m / f/m three somes. All women know what they have that we want. God bless those that love to give pleasure. But, all of them will trade, given the proper circumstance. That includes yo mama.

Only good energy.

John Gault
05-06-11, 03:44
While I have been reading about the latest debate over Pro vs Non Pro I think valid points are made on both sides. I think what is lacking here is the fact that this is a issue that is different for each person. A young good looking guy living in Colombia has a huge advantage in getting true Non Pros over the average ISG monger. That said, at least in my case I need the same type of girl that the young Stud gets. Now any fool knows an older Gringo with not a lot of Spanish will have very little chance to get that choice girl. So the only option is for him to go the Pro route. This way a guy like me can get that 20 year old Stunner. Sure it will cost me some money, but I get what I want the only way I can. So for me it is not a question of which is better, a Pro or Non Pro. It is a question of do I want to keep up the high standards I have set for myself or do I want to drop down in company and go for an older women who is a Non Pro. The key here IMHO is to be completly honest with yourself. The only variable I can throw in the mix is to hunt for that Gem and treat her good for as long as I can till a bigger fish comes along and snaps her up from me. No problem, just time to start the hunt again.

Ricker
05-06-11, 04:24
Agreed. Especially the time thing. Most girls with their shit half together aren't into the 2 week vacationing foreigner (nor the foreign guy way out of her league). The slutty girls will be and therein lies the grey area - and lastly the pros as long as your money is green.

I guess my post was to address the guys who say they are all girls are putas and all liars and all have other novios and it just costs less to screw putas as opposed to non pros. This is simply not true. These guys just never get to meet and date the regular girls.

A guy with decent game, average income living in Colombia going after girls somewhat in his league can find paradise. Feminine, good cooks, knows her place, is a great sensual lover, sweet, in great shape, beers and a half a pint of rum, doesn't need much to be happy; just a guy in her league who is not a player. Great synopsis Lucky.

The true non-pros I have been with have been fantastic as well as very cost-effective.

Like you say though, when trying to mix and or confuse the non-pro world with the pro, things can get a bit upside down.

Bango Cheito
05-06-11, 04:40
I coulda done better but I coulda done a LOT worse.

To me, thinking you've found Mrs. Right is just setting yourself up for failure and heartache, just sayin'

Colombia is a violent country and women prefer to use their pussies as their main weapon.

Bango Cheito
05-06-11, 06:42
Great synopsis Lucky.

The true non-pros I have been with have been fantastic as well as very cost-effective.

Like you say though, when trying to mix and or confuse the non-pro world with the pro, things can get a bit upside down. Sorry guys I beg to differ. They're all liars and NONE of them are going to be faithful.

Anybody who comes down here with the idea that women are MORE faithful than Americans is really really REALLY fucking delusional, and just setting themselves up for a big fall. EVERYBODY here is cheating. EVERYBODY.

LittleTruths
05-06-11, 14:13
While it is true what LuckyEddie says about the meagre chances that an outoftowner has to get it on with true regular gals with half their shit together, I also agree with Bango. Not only in Colombia, but everywhere. Everybody is cheating on everybody given the opportunity and enough time.

There sure are a very small minority of individuals, both male and female, that for whatever personal reason stay true to their lover. Salute to these persons, they are idealists and deserve a lot of respect. But these are rather to be considered the exception that proves the rule.

Black and white are the infinitesimal extremes of the range, most of it all is nothing but endless shades of grey and one better try and come to terms with this fact of life.

Myself I think I've pretty much quit thinking of girls in terms of wh0res or non-wh0res. Human beings are complex creatures and what is true at one given time for someone might no longer be true a moment later for whatever reason or external influence.

Love is a guessing game and a gamble. You can take your chances and play or just sit back and watch people playing.

Hioctane
05-06-11, 15:03
Sorry guys I beg to differ. They're all liars and NONE of them are going to be faithful.

Anybody who comes down here with the idea that women are MORE faithful than Americans is really really REALLY fucking delusional, and just setting themselves up for a big fall. EVERYBODY here is cheating. EVERYBODY.A little bid jaded? We have been talking about cost-effectiveness of a "true non-pro". It has nothing to do with being faithful. That's a whole different issue.

Ricker
05-06-11, 15:20
Sorry guys I beg to differ. They're all liars and NONE of them are going to be faithful.

Anybody who comes down here with the idea that women are MORE faithful than Americans is really really REALLY fucking delusional, and just setting themselves up for a big fall. EVERYBODY here is cheating. EVERYBODY. Wow, what a statement.

You just know that absolutely EVERYONE is cheating.

Obviously you've been burned, and badly.

We've all been burned here and there and that's where you learn and get a bit wiser.

If you come down here, as you say, and you want to meet a real and nice non-pro, you have to relax, be wise and just see what happens and hope for the best that you meet someone you connect with.
If not, move-on, relax and wait. You just can't rush things, that's where trouble starts.

As Lucky Eddie put it, your chances are slim if you're just a 2 week vacationer, a non-spanish speaker, monger only, etc type guy.

If you're NOT a naive, over-eager, Cupidos, Amigos. Com, non-spanish speaking, Captain save-a-hoe, etc, etc type guy, YES, of course you can meet nice girls in Colombia.

I always go into things with my eyes wide open, but I'm not so bitter to say that they're ALL liars and NONE of them will be faithful.

To me that's just silly.

MiamiHeatLuver
05-06-11, 15:30
Wow, what a statement.

You just know that absolutely EVERYONE is cheating.

Obviously you've been burned, and badly.

We've all been burned here and there and that's where you learn and get a bit wiser.

If you come down here, as you say, and you want to meet a real and nice non-pro, you have to relax, be wise and just see what happens and hope for the best that you meet someone you connect with.

If not, move-on, relax and wait. You just can't rush things, that's where trouble starts.

As Lucky Eddie put it, your chances are slim if you're just a 2 week vacationer, a non-spanish speaker, monger only, etc type guy.

If you're NOT a naive, over-eager, Cupidos, Amigos. Com, non-spanish speaking, Captain save-a-hoe, etc, etc type guy, YES, of course you can meet nice girls in Colombia.

I always go into things with my eyes wide open, but I'm not so bitter to say that they're ALL liars and NONE of them will be faithful.

To me that's just silly. I'm sure that he didn't literally mean EVERYBODY, but it just seems like that sometimes both male and female when given the right time and place. My cuñado and his friends all of whom have beautiful steady novias for many years all have their side pieces and I can't even tell you the amount of girls I have been with that have "novios" and even HUSBANDS! Cheating is becoming, trivialized, second nature and now almost expected in most cases where your partner sometimes seems to look the other way.

LuckyEddie
05-06-11, 15:36
So for me it is not a question of which is better, a Pro or Non Pro. It is a question of do I want to keep up the high standards I have set for myself or do I want to drop down in company and go for an older women who is a Non Pro. The key here IMHO is to be completly honest with yourself.Johnny Jumpup Gault I wholeheartedly agree. What is better for one guy may not be better for the next. The debate seemed to have been a main course of "which costs more pros or non pros" with a healthy side of "all non pros are putas as well as cheating, lying, evil women".

Some women are inherently honest, content and do not have the time and energy to roll the dice to sleep with 20 year old Pedro and risk what they have with the man who is actually their "first choice". They are not in Long distance relationships nor are in areas of temptation and their needs are fulfilled. IMHO the Colombiana is not as complex as the gringa.

Obviously these women are scarce, agreed, but do exist.

But being honest with yourself is a total virtue and true measure of a man's integrity becuase if you can't be honest with yourself, well so much about you is just a big lie.

Kinda like the guy who come here once every 2 months on vacation who thinks the 20 year old hottie is really into him is only accepting money from him, that he is the only sponsor, she is off the puta market and they both have a solid relationship. Only to find out big game playing and lies and cheating. Had the guy been honest with himself from day 1 he wouldn't be so bitter today.

LuckyEddie
05-06-11, 16:01
Sorry guys I beg to differ. They're all liars and NONE of them are going to be faithful.

Anybody who comes down here with the idea that women are MORE faithful than Americans is really really REALLY fucking delusional, and just setting themselves up for a big fall. EVERYBODY here is cheating. EVERYBODY.Here is the litmus test as to wether the Colombiana is tolerating the embarrasement of being with you for financial perks (ouch!) , or genuinely a real girl digging you for you, her first choice in a man:

If she hypothetically hit a "$10, 000USD tax free a week for life" lottery tomorrow, you've already been her "boyfriend" for however long: The Questions are:

#1) Are you still the one and only man in her life in the coming months. If you ever were? Or does she dump you?

#2) If she hit that lottery a few months before you ever met can you get her today? Meaning you are lucky enough to run into her at the Exito or mall and ask for her number?

If the answer is "probably not" to your current girl or any girl you get then you are dating women who are settling for you and it's time to be honest and not make them your girlfriends. Or tolerate the games cheating and lies. Best bet go for pros and keep them as pros. Which is the less expensive route and who cares about games lies and if they are evil cheaters? It's not your problem. No need to get bitter again.

LuckyEddie
05-06-11, 23:51
I'm sure that he didn't literally mean EVERYBODY, but it just seems like that sometimes both male and female when given the right time and place. My cuñado and his friends all of whom have beautiful steady novias for many years all have their side pieces and I can't even tell you the amount of girls I have been with that have "novios" and even HUSBANDS! Cheating is becoming, trivialized, second nature and now almost expected in most cases where your partner sometimes seems to look the other way.This is mostly true. I got two steady slam pieces one is with a gringo who visits and other is in a serious relationship with a Caleño who still lives in Cali. Both long distance relationships for these girls. They get lonely.

If both of the guys were here full time with their women I probably would not have them in my ala carte rotation.

Bango Cheito
05-07-11, 08:13
Here in Colombia I pretty much mean EVERYBODY. Everybody worth sticking a penis into anyways.

Jaded, yeah. But eyes wide open. Fact is if you took the financial benefits to the woman out of the picture, hardly any relationship on the Earth would survive. And the ones that DID survive would be the ones based on true primal animal LUST, not on any "commitment" which really at the end of the day just doesn't exist.

Have I been burned? Not really badly. But the shit I have SEEN. Oh man oh man.

Mr Enternational
05-07-11, 11:46
Fact is if you took the financial benefits to the woman out of the picture, hardly any relationship on the Earth would survive. And the ones that DID survive would be the ones based on true primal animal LUST, not on any "commitment"That is why in order to separate the wheat from the chaff I keep them looking good, but NO DOUGH!

Sailor Jim
05-07-11, 17:11
Why does the moderator need to look at my post about an ATM?

LittleTruths
05-07-11, 19:04
why does the moderator need to look at my post about an atm?all new members are monitored at first in order to make sure they are not ****s, weirdos, troublemakers and respect the forum's guidelines.

Cyberdas
05-07-11, 20:37
Great posts, you guys. Keep 'them coming! I find it refreshing how all different angles and sides are defended, argued, supported and dismissed. This makes for a more well-rounded reading and improves the perspective that we all have of women from all walks of life in Colombia. I admit at times sounding jaded in my posts. Like Bango Cheito, I have also been slightly burned and hosed but nothing too bad (I've seen and known of far worse cases). Like Ricker said, such bad experiences help us get wiser (or at least they should). Human beings indeed are a complicated species. Women being the most, of course, and Colombianas particularly are among the top contenders. It would not be fair to speak in the way we do about all of them since like everything else in life, there are exceptions to be made. Such generalizations are to be taken in a manner constructive towards shaping our perception and knowledge. This way, hopefully, we can all increase and / or improve our game and make a better approach next time around. In the end, we are all (generalization?) mongerers who are looking for essentially the same thing and that is the best deal for the least amount of money be it in terms of P4P or non-pro action. Just my two-cents worth. Peace to you all and please keep those great (and not so great) posts coming.

Yujin
05-08-11, 21:32
If you've recently spent anytime in Bogota, or intend to visit, here's an interesting article about recent events (e. G. Armed take-over robbery of hostels, political corruption, traffic congestion) in Bogota. I think Bogota is an interesting city and has made tremendous progress, but for every three steps forward, it seems to take four steps backwards.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/americas/06bogota.html?_r=2&ref=world

On a side note, if you're walking around the centro area, always look where you're walking. Metal utility access covers on sidewalks are stolen and never replaced. If you step into one, you could seriously injury yourself. Amazingly, I also saw a missing manhole cover at an intersection where pedestrians crossed the street. If you fell into that, you'd probably drown with all the recent rain. If you drove into it, that would cause some serious damage to your vehicle. I first noticed the missing manhole cover when I first arrived. Four weeks later, the manhole cover was still missing and nothing was done to warn pedestrians or motorists.

Sailor Jim
05-09-11, 02:15
all new members are monitored at first in order to make sure they are not ****s, weirdos, troublemakers and respect the forum's guidelines.i'll buy that. it was just that some posts made it through immediately and this one was stoppped for review. i thought it was scanning the context and that some word i had written caused it to get flagged, like "atm".

TuDueno
05-16-11, 18:02
I am planning to visit Colombia for the first time in 2 months, and would like to know info on romancelatina. Com, or any other website like it.

I have lived in Brazil so know what to expect to a certain degree in Colombia and have read the forum but if there is any upto date info, pm. Thanks in advance! A whole bunch of pros and semi-pros advertise on romancelatina. At least from Medellin. Not saying that all are likely to be after P4P. At a good indication is: they are young and nevertheless advertising for 20 to 69 years old men.

A lot of the Casa Blanca girls are on romancelatina too.

BayBoy
05-27-11, 17:14
I've been checking out flights from San Francisco to Medellin for my next trip in Sept. I notice American Airlines has upped its fares by $200 roundtrip. Its used to be $700 plus tax. Now its $900 plus tax. I guess the price of fuel is causing this bump.

Lately I've been playing the frequent flyer game. Buying the miles during the bonus periods, and haven't really paid for a flight. But its surprising about the jump in price.

John Gault
05-28-11, 23:16
I've been checking out flights from San Francisco to Medellin for my next trip in Sept. I notice American Airlines has upped its fares by $200 roundtrip. Its used to be $700 plus tax. Now its $900 plus tax. I guess the price of fuel is causing this bump.

Lately I've been playing the frequent flyer game. Buying the miles during the bonus periods, and haven't really paid for a flight. But its surprising about the jump in price. $200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.

Plus the baggage fees and extra money if you want a decent seat.

I have looked at the fares to MDE for the next few months and the only break in price is after Labor day.

It's been since March since I have been to MDE, and going cold turkey for another 3 months is going to be hard for me to face.

Mr Gogo
05-28-11, 23:57
$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.

Plus the baggage fees and extra money if you want a decent seat.

I have looked at the fares to MDE for the next few months and the only break in price is after Labor day.

It's been since March since I have been to MDE, and going cold turkey for another 3 months is going to be hard for me to face.My last trip was March also, and I'm getting that itch. But I refuse to pay double what I was paying a year ago to go anywhere right now. It's going to be along hot summer for me, just resetting. Since 06 iv'e had 25 trip's to Colombia, DR, and CR, but I knew one day there would have to be a lull. Nothing good last forever, and when I can't take it and start looking at flights, the inflated airfares just make me go back into boycott mode.

P. S. I guess you blame Obama for the Tornadoes and earthquakes also LOL.

Ricker
05-29-11, 00:19
$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.

Plus the baggage fees and extra money if you want a decent seat.

I have looked at the fares to MDE for the next few months and the only break in price is after Labor day.

It's been since March since I have been to MDE, and going cold turkey for another 3 months is going to be hard for me to face. Well, I'll be back in the land of the Paisa next week, I'll have to trade my portuguese (Brasil) for spanish again. Though difficult, I'll give it a go haha.

Hope you make it back soon senor Gault, I understand fully the feeling of withdrawls in P-prison.

Hillbilly69
05-29-11, 00:36
$200 must be the target for these airlines. It seems Spirit has jumped their fares about the same amount.I have watched Spirit Fares since they launched, [ anyone notice no more Barraquilla flights? ], it seems about 10 days out to two weeks from the current time the fares are the cheapest.

Cartagena is about 525 from my destination two weeks from now, Medellin slightly higher.

Ssidewineder
05-29-11, 04:09
Hello,

Are there any coastal towns / cities on the Colombian coasts that resemble Pattaya.

Where freelancers stroll the beach? A Latin version of Pattaya?

BayBoy
05-29-11, 06:00
For American Airlines the summer months are the 'high' season where the fares are the highest in price, and then usually the fares go down in Sept. But this time the fares didn't go down, they went even higher.

I've been purchasing frequent flyer miles and go for the 30, 000 mark to get the 'free' flight. I found that its cheaper than buying the flight ticket.

Gary Groundwork
06-01-11, 11:59
Hello,

Are there any coastal towns / cities on the Colombian coasts that resemble Pattaya.

Where freelancers stroll the beach? A Latin version of Pattaya?Nothing even close to Pattaya in Colombia.

Black Hawk69
06-01-11, 22:44
Hello,

Are there any coastal towns / cities on the Colombian coasts that resemble Pattaya.

Where freelancers stroll the beach? A Latin version of Pattaya?The areas Choco and Buenaventura, as I have heard nothing but great things said about these places, and the best part is everything is economically priced, and the girls are basically free with a little charm. As far as the girls go, my understanding is they actually have the best looking girls in all of Colombia, especially if you like morenas, and it is like walking into fantasyland. It is not Pattaya but I am sure you would do quite well there. You will also find these places much much cheaper than Pattaya.

The Navys Fault
06-02-11, 13:32
OK, so, will keep it short and sweet, just like the Colombian gals I will be looking for in about 7 weeks. Heading down for the first time with 5 college buddies (not so young college kids anymore). None have been down before. Some speak so so Spanish. We all did fine in Cuba (twice) and I started this mongoring long ago over in Japan / Phillipines while in the Navy. Hence my username.

Easy Poll.

Best Place to Stay (Prefer apts)

Best Club.

Best Place.

Any other info.

Yes, I have been reading the forms and they are very helpful. Thanks! Dan

Caliguy 2010
06-13-11, 17:28
Hi Fellas quick question been to Colombia a few times and started a sm business down there. Right now I am looking at about 2 mil Cop per month coming to the USA. How do I put this on my income or do I even have to claim since I do not own a property or business store front. Any advise greatly appreciated.

John Gault
06-13-11, 18:44
Hi Fellas quick question been to Colombia a few times and started a sm business down there. Right now I am looking at about 2 mil Cop per month coming to the USA. How do I put this on my income or do I even have to claim since I do not own a property or business store front. Any advise greatly appreciated.Hard to help you with the little info you provided. I guess my main question is how is the money getting to the USA? If it is a regular trackable transaction than I think it is reportable. I also think this is a question for your lawyer.

Remember the only way that caught Al Capone was on income tax evasion.

Caliguy 2010
06-13-11, 19:24
Hard to help you with the little info you provided. I guess my main question is how is the money getting to the USA? If it is a regular trackable transaction than I think it is reportable. I also think this is a question for your lawyer.

Remember the only way that caught Al Capone was on income tax evasion. Yes the money is completely traceable as the business is legal and legit. The money will come via Western Union.

Chesscat
06-14-11, 13:59
The simple answer is that money earned by a US citizen from anywhere in the world is added to his income and taxed by the US, just like US source income. On the other hand, if you pay tax on it in the source country, things get complicated, you may be entitled to an offset of tax paid, stuff like that. But if you are not paying tax on it in Colombia, then simply include the income for US federal income tax purposes.


Yes the money is completely traceable as the business is legal and legit. The money will come via Western Union.

SlamCity7777
06-14-11, 14:24
the simple answer is that money earned by a us citizen from anywhere in the world is added to his income and taxed by the us, just like us source income. on the other hand, if you pay tax on it in the source country, things get complicated, you may be entitled to an offset of tax paid, stuff like that. but if you are not paying tax on it in colombia, then simply include the income for us federal income tax purposes.i have buddy who works international and he said the first 80 you don't have to pay taxes on. is this true?

John Gault
06-14-11, 15:19
Yes the money is completely traceable as the business is legal and legit. The money will come via Western Union.Maybe some other members can help you out with this. See if you can find another method to send money. There has to be something better than dealing with those Crooks.

Caliguy 2010
06-14-11, 17:55
Maybe some other members can help you out with this. See if you can find another method to send money. There has to be something better than dealing with those Crooks.Mr G & C Cat. Thanks again for the helpful info. I am assuming if I claim it in the US only I will also be deducting business expenses. So that will offset my taxes a bit. But again thank you guys for the info. If any member has any info on method to wire $$ other than wester union. Please feel free to PM me. Greatly appreciated. The only other method I can think of is a transfer of $$ from her account to my acct if we have an account with the sAme US bank. Whch I believe CITI has an a branch out there in Ibague. What is the going rate for Western Union anyways. These days. I imagine since the dollar is down I get more dollars for my peso. The dollar I think will only go up from here. I think t has bottomed out.

Chesscat
06-14-11, 18:35
Truly I claim no particular expertise. But here is a link.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p54.pdf

So maybe if you reside abroad you might be eligible for this exclusion. As for those suggesting that you simply try to avoid or evade taxes, that is not a good idea, particularly when you are not dealing with a lot of money in any event, what did you say, $2M a month, that's $12k dollars a year? No, just take a look at the rules and comply.


Mr G & C Cat. Thanks again for the helpful info. I am assuming if I claim it in the US only I will also be deducting business expenses. So that will offset my taxes a bit. But again thank you guys for the info. If any member has any info on method to wire $$ other than wester union. Please feel free to PM me. Greatly appreciated. The only other method I can think of is a transfer of $$ from her account to my acct if we have an account with the sAme US bank. Whch I believe CITI has an a branch out there in Ibague. What is the going rate for Western Union anyways. These days. I imagine since the dollar is down I get more dollars for my peso. The dollar I think will only go up from here. I think t has bottomed out.

Artful
06-14-11, 19:17
Hi.

Has anyone got any recommendations for inexpensive ways for this journey by air? Aviance are wanting $650, 000 which seems a bit pricey. Aires don't have direct flights any more, I think they may have had in the past but not now. Any suggestions appreciated.

A

Caliguy 2010
06-14-11, 19:45
Hi.

Has anyone got any recommendations for inexpensive ways for this journey by air? Aviance are wanting $650, 000 which seems a bit pricey. Aires don't have direct flights any more, I think they may have had in the past but not now. Any suggestions appreciated.

AWhere are you coming from? Spirit air and American. Expedia Orbitz also good picks.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-14-11, 19:45
Hi.

Has anyone got any recommendations for inexpensive ways for this journey by air? Aviance are wanting $650, 000 which seems a bit pricey. Aires don't have direct flights any more, I think they may have had in the past but not now. Any suggestions appreciated.

AIs that the phone or internet price? Try walking into a travel agent or dedicated airline office and paying cash rather then online or on the phone. You will be for sure be stuck with gringo pricing on the phone or online. Like an additional 33 percent. Also last minute buying makes tickets very expensive. When all else fails? Catch a Boliviano Bus at night, wake up in MDE.

Artful
06-14-11, 19:48
That price came from the internet and from an Avianca office at the airport. Will try a travel agent too. Thanks.


Is that the phone or internet price? Try walking into a travel agent or dedicated airline office and paying cash rather then online or on the phone. You will be for sure be stuck with gringo pricing on the phone or online. Like an additional 33. Also last minute buying makes tickets very expensive. When all else fails? Catch a Boliviano Bus at night, wake up in MDE.

Artful
06-14-11, 19:48
I am asking about Cartagena to Medellin.


Where are you coming from? Spirit air and American. Expedia Orbitz also good picks.

Caliguy 2010
06-14-11, 19:50
I am asking about Cartagena to Medellin.Sorry my bad, thought it said ctg or Mde. Yeah Miamiheatlver is right catch the luxury bus and wake up in mde.

Hasideas Tao
06-15-11, 16:26
This sounds like it could be a fun excursion. Does anyone have more info on these buses? Where to find one? How much from MDE to CTG? To BOG? Level of comfort? Number of buses that drive off a cliff per year?


Is that the phone or internet price? Try walking into a travel agent or dedicated airline office and paying cash rather then online or on the phone. You will be for sure be stuck with gringo pricing on the phone or online. Like an additional 33 percent. Also last minute buying makes tickets very expensive. When all else fails? Catch a Boliviano Bus at night, wake up in MDE.

Hioctane
06-15-11, 16:59
Hi.

Has anyone got any recommendations for inexpensive ways for this journey by air? Aviance are wanting $650, 000 which seems a bit pricey. Aires don't have direct flights any more, I think they may have had in the past but not now. Any suggestions appreciated.

AWhere are you getting this quote from? Online, Avianca's website. I've seen as low as 156k one way. People tell me the cheapest is to pay cash at the counter. I'm just wondering whether you buy it at the counter the day of the flight (right before) or a couple of days in advance. Any one know?

MiamiHeatLuver
06-15-11, 18:47
Number of buses that drive off a cliff per year?Maybe just yours, I wouldn't risk it! Hey, no pain no gain.

Bango Cheito
06-15-11, 20:25
This sounds like it could be a fun excursion. Does anyone have more info on these buses? Where to find one? How much from MDE to CTG? To BOG? Level of comfort? Number of buses that drive off a cliff per year?It's BOLIVARIANO. And it takes about 8 hours. It's much more comfortable than your typical Greyhound, the seats recline quite a ways and you can sleep on them. I ususally take some Mareol as it totally gets rid of the motion sickness and helps you sleep.

John Gault
06-15-11, 21:53
Where are you getting this quote from? Online, Avianca's website. I've seen as low as 156k one way. People tell me the cheapest is to pay cash at the counter. I'm just wondering whether you buy it at the counter the day of the flight (right before) or a couple of days in advance. Any one know?Last time I went from MDE to CTG it cost me about 160K one way. I bought it at the counter at one of the shopping stores about 5 days in advance. I have a Avianca card so I got miles for it.

Sandman0011
06-16-11, 13:55
Anyone coming to Medellin from July 29th-Aug 7th and wanting to get in on the fun of Feria de Las Flores will like this.

A buddy is coordinating a tent along the horse parade (eye candy beyond imagination) for up to about 100 people He can even arrange for you ride in the parade if you want to. I did last year and it was a blast.

Lastly, he has multiple chiva rides of about 4 hours duration. It is essentially a party bus full of people drinking and partying winding up at Mangos or some other disco to continue the festivities.

If interested, contact him directly (His gig, not mine).

Good guy and speaks English very well.

curibe99@yahoo.com

Asianpussylover
06-17-11, 13:20
I'd also add.."don't get drunk or stone."

I somewhat enjoyed the Santa Fe area. I never went into the strip clubs. Instead, I'd frequent the many casas. It was an adventure walking down the different streets checking out the girls in the doorways. There were many gorditas wearing too much make-up, but sometimes there was a gem.

I normally went to Santa Fe around 3:00 PM to 8:00 PM, but I preferred to go there during the daylight hours. Sometimes I'd hang around near the Calle 22 TransMilenio station and watch the chicas arrive. If I saw someone that I'd like, I'd follow her to her casa. I would not recommend this place for a newbie as it is famous for being the most dangerous part of Bogota. I drove by the place in a cab in March. The driver couldn't wait to get out of there. I had never been there before. My buddies down there confirmed that, that is not the place to fuck around. There is a strip club in the international center. Get your rocks off for $10.

Hilltopper
06-17-11, 22:59
I have watched Spirit Fares since they launched, [ anyone notice no more Barraquilla flights? ], it seems about 10 days out to two weeks from the current time the fares are the cheapest.

Cartagena is about 525 from my destination two weeks from now, Medellin slightly higher. I just priced a RT Spirit ticket to CTG from FLL and it was over $600 now (before adding bag fees and reserving a seat). Man, for the past 3 years I've typically paid anywhere from $180 to $330 all-in. During 2008 and 2009 they offered great fares because they were building the route after starting it up in May 2008. During 2010 they had to keep their fares low to combat Aries low introductory fares when they entered the market.

I guess Aries couldn't turn a profit on the direct FLL to CTG route, because they canceled it quite awhile back. Sure wish Aries had stuck around longer with their direct service and low fare fight.

Well, guess it's best to use up the rest of the frequent flyer miles. I used up most of them for the Christmas trip I took 'cause I didn't want to pay those "high season" fares. Since I ain't too keen on these $600+ prices now, I'm going to need to use up pretty much what's left.

Those days of $200 to $300 RT all-in fares sure were nice and a feller could justify a short 4-day weekend trip, etc. With today's prices coming-in near $700 bucks after paying for bags and seats, they won't see me until I have the time to do a 10 to 14 day trip. Just can't see paying $700+ for a long weekend trip. Oh well, guess I better use up those miles before they expire.

Think I'll look into that new route Spirit just opened up with low fares-San Salvador, LOL. Anyone up for a newbie trip to San Salvador?

John Gault
06-17-11, 23:57
I just priced a RT Spirit ticket to CTG from FLL and it was over $600 now (before adding bag fees and reserving a seat). Man, for the past 3 years I've typically paid anywhere from $180 to $330 all-in. During 2008 and 2009 they offered great fares because they were building the route after starting it up in May 2008. During 2010 they had to keep their fares low to combat Aries low introductory fares when they entered the market.

I guess Aries couldn't turn a profit on the direct FLL to CTG route, because they canceled it quite awhile back. Sure wish Aries had stuck around longer with their direct service and low fare fight.

Well, guess it's best to use up the rest of the frequent flyer miles. I used up most of them for the Christmas trip I took 'cause I didn't want to pay those "high season" fares. Since I ain't too keen on these $600+ prices now, I'm going to need to use up pretty much what's left.

Those days of $200 to $300 RT all-in fares sure were nice and a feller could justify a short 4-day weekend trip, etc. With today's prices coming-in near $700 bucks after paying for bags and seats, they won't see me until I have the time to do a 10 to 14 day trip. Just can't see paying $700+ for a long weekend trip. Oh well, guess I better use up those miles before they expire.

Think I'll look into that new route Spirit just opened up with low fares-San Salvador, LOL. Anyone up for a newbie trip to San Salvador? The next more reasonable flights on Spirit are after Labor day. What is starting to burn me up is we all know the fares went up when oil hit around $110 a barrel. Last I looked it was $94 a barrel, but those fucks won't lower the fares even a little. You hit the nail on the head as far as Aires was the key to keeping Spirit fares in line. I remember when they started charging for bags and even carry ons they siad it was going to keep theirs fares low. Yeah right.

If I have to wait till Sept. For a trip I may have to hang up as I won't touch a Gringa with a ten foot pole.

Hilltopper
06-18-11, 00:14
The next more reasonable flights on Spirit are after Labor day. What is starting to burn me up is we all know the fares went up when oil hit around $110 a barrel. Last I looked it was $94 a barrel, but those fucks won't lower the fares even a little. You hit the nail on the head as far as Aires was the key to keeping Spirit fares in line. I remember when they started charging for bags and even carry ons they siad it was going to keep theirs fares low. Yeah right.

If I have to wait till Sept. For a trip I may have to hang up as I won't touch a Gringa with a ten foot pole.

I hear ya. I did go out to Sept and Oct and saw the better fares (still higher than we were able to get them for the past 3 years). I also saw where they backed off to only two days a week during those months (or maybe that was only Oct). Seems like in the past they always had at least 3 flights a week in Sept and Oct.

As you say, not sure I want to hold off until Sept or Oct either, LOL. Plus, did you notice that Spirit also changed their expiration policy for the FF miles? I figure I better go ahead and use them while I still have some left and that will get me there in Aug without having to pay the premium prices.

Hey, have you ever been to San Salvador or know anything about it? LOL.

Caliguy 2010
06-19-11, 06:17
So as I mentioned briefly in a previous post I was startig a small business in Colombia. I just had some money wired via western union. It is a complete rip off. The dollar is at 1780 approx. So if they sent 500 k I was maybe expecting 280 USD minus a fee. Instead I received 243 which means they sold me the dollar at 2075 k per dollar approx. What a rip off.

John Gault
06-19-11, 14:33
I hear ya. I did go out to Sept and Oct and saw the better fares (still higher than we were able to get them for the past 3 years). I also saw where they backed off to only two days a week during those months (or maybe that was only Oct). Seems like in the past they always had at least 3 flights a week in Sept and Oct.

As you say, not sure I want to hold off until Sept or Oct either, LOL. Plus, did you notice that Spirit also changed their expiration policy for the FF miles? I figure I better go ahead and use them while I still have some left and that will get me there in Aug without having to pay the premium prices.

Hey, have you ever been to San Salvador or know anything about it? LOL. No, I know nothing about San Salvador. I have found in the few Countrys that I have visited in Central America that while the Women are hot the interstructure sucks big time. Power outages, bad roads, higher prices for hotels, and way more dangerous than Colombia.

I heard from a old time monger I met a while back that the Island of Roatan off of Hondrus is very good for P4P. I'm not sure of the spelling on that, but I'm sure it would be a good adventure to take on. As I have stated many times in the past { Mongering is a tough job, but someone has to do it }.

Member #4394
06-22-11, 01:20
Is there anyplace (hopefully close to Medellin) I can meet brujo or curandero and experience ayahuasca? Thanks.

Manizales911
06-23-11, 13:58
The sim card in my Colombian monger phone (Comcel) has expired due to lack of use, sad I know, but I am headed back to the promised land in a few weeks and want to get a new one or the old one reactivated. First question is can they transfer my contacts over to the new sim card or do I need to write all of them down and punch them all in on the new one? The other question is how do you say "sim card" in spanish?

Thanks

MiamiHeatLuver
06-23-11, 18:25
The sim card in my Colombian monger phone (Comcel) has expired due to lack of use, sad I know, but I am headed back to the promised land in a few weeks and want to get a new one or the old one reactivated. First question is can they transfer my contacts over to the new sim card or do I need to write all of them down and punch them all in on the new one? The other question is how do you say "sim card" in spanish?

ThanksI don't think you can get your same number because they recycle them so quickly, Walk into comcel and get a new one. I found that using my cheap nokia last month that the SIM saved all of my numbers on the SIM itself as well as on the phone. SO when my old nokia crapped out I just had to change the sim and all of my contacts where on there. Write them all down anyways to be on the safe side. In Colombia you just say "SIM CARD" like "SEEM CARD" and they know what that is. p.s. I had to present some sort of ID in the Comcel store, either driver license or Passport to save you a trip in case you forget.

Vmonger
06-23-11, 18:38
The sim card in my Colombian monger phone (Comcel) has expired due to lack of use, sad I know...Are you sure the sim is expired and not just the minutes? I've used the same Comcel sim card for the last 2 years. Each time I come back I just need to recharge the minutes which expire 30-60 days after you buy them. Normally I recharge every 4 months, but last year I was away for 6 months once. Try recharging the minutes with a cheap 5K COP card first.

Hillbilly69
06-23-11, 19:37
The sim card in my Colombian monger phone (Comcel) has expired due to lack of use, sad I know, but I am headed back to the promised land in a few weeks and want to get a new one or the old one reactivated. First question is can they transfer my contacts over to the new sim card or do I need to write all of them down and punch them all in on the new one? The other question is how do you say "sim card" in spanish?

ThanksI buy SIM cards with minutes already on them phone number already written on the package. The cards cost me 8k pesos each, Tigo or Comcel. I ran into a girl selling them on sidewalk between Plaza Botero and Hollywood shopping Center in Medellin central. She had backpack and a yellow hat. I bought half dozen now I am down to my last one or

I would send you one in the mail. It keeps from dealing with the bullshit hassel of Passport and everything else involved of getting a new one at the phone centers. My contacts carry over on my quad band after changing Sim cards.

Manizales911
06-23-11, 21:26
Are you sure the sim is expired and not just the minutes? I've used the same Comcel sim card for the last 2 years. Each time I come back I just need to recharge the minutes which expire 30-60 days after you buy them. Normally I recharge every 4 months, but last year I was away for 6 months once. Try recharging the minutes with a cheap 5K COP card first.Expired may have been the wrong word to use but I know if you don't use it for more than a year it is no good anymore and it has been a year and a half.

Viking30
06-24-11, 00:17
So why bother with Comcel? I don't know about Tigo, but Movistar doesn't requiere any kind of ID, you just buy the sim card and you're set to go. What's more, Movistar has promotions almost everyday including double or triple the amount you recharge, just pay attention to wheather it's for "todos operadores" or just for other Movistar numbers. I have a Comcel back-up number in a back-up phone and I haven't noticed any difference in coverage quality.


I don't think you can get your same number because they recycle them so quickly, Walk into comcel and get a new one. I found that using my cheap nokia last month that the SIM saved all of my numbers on the SIM itself as well as on the phone. SO when my old nokia crapped out I just had to change the sim and all of my contacts where on there. Write them all down anyways to be on the safe side. In Colombia you just say "SIM CARD" like "SEEM CARD" and they know what that is. p.s. I had to present some sort of ID in the Comcel store, either driver license or Passport to save you a trip in case you forget.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-24-11, 02:04
So why bother with Comcel? I don't know about Tigo, but Movistar doesn't requiere any kind of ID, you just buy the sim card and you're set to go. What's more, Movistar has promotions almost everyday including double or triple the amount you recharge, just pay attention to wheather it's for "todos operadores" or just for other Movistar numbers. I have a Comcel back-up number in a back-up phone and I haven't noticed any difference in coverage quality.Most everybody I know in Colombia uses Comcel then Tigo then Movistar, They seem to go with the Comcel because it has the best coverage nationwide. Also when they call each other it comes out cheapest, anybody who uses their cell a lot will tell you calling another phone carrier eats your minutes at insane rate. You could easily go through a 20mil phone card in one day calling putas, novias on other carriers. Cell phone minutes are a luxury in Colombia thats why everybody's always asking to use yours and everybody is selling them.

As far as service and needing I'd for movistar? I have no clue but I will soon for I am switching over a lady friend of mine to MOVISTAR. They have an unlimited plan prepago for 25k using Blackberry messenger pin. P. S. Comcel and tigo always give me some kind of "bonus" when I recharge at Balotto or at the Punto de pago (cash register)

Manizales911
06-24-11, 02:24
So why bother with Comcel? I don't know about Tigo, but Movistar doesn't requiere any kind of ID, you just buy the sim card and you're set to go. What's more, Movistar has promotions almost everyday including double or triple the amount you recharge, just pay attention to wheather it's for "todos operadores" or just for other Movistar numbers. I have a Comcel back-up number in a back-up phone and I haven't noticed any difference in coverage quality.The big deal is 95% of the people I know in Colombia have Comcel and you use a lot less minutes if you are calling someone on the same carrier. And why do I give a shit if they ask for I'd?

Manizales911
06-24-11, 02:29
I don't think you can get your same number because they recycle them so quickly, Walk into comcel and get a new one. I found that using my cheap nokia last month that the SIM saved all of my numbers on the SIM itself as well as on the phone. SO when my old nokia crapped out I just had to change the sim and all of my contacts where on there. Write them all down anyways to be on the safe side. In Colombia you just say "SIM CARD" like "SEEM CARD" and they know what that is. p.s. I had to present some sort of ID in the Comcel store, either driver license or Passport to save you a trip in case you forget.Thanks MHL, I was pretty sure that if I said "sim card" they would know what I was talking about but I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of all the young hotties in the Comcel store in Manizales.

Pirata2011
06-24-11, 03:13
50% (tops) of the sexy girls are real on a serious site like colombiancupid. Com (they have 40 other sites)

Amolatina and others are pure rip-off sites.

Cupid claims to make an effort in deleting ads by females exposing a supermodel body 90% nude.

But of course, the money comes from frustrated anglosaxon men so they have to permit profiles that are obviuos frauds.

Even if CUPID, being a serious site, they are dependent on the model-in-bikini-ads.

Hioctane
06-24-11, 03:25
So why bother with Comcel? I don't know about Tigo, but Movistar doesn't requiere any kind of ID, you just buy the sim card and you're set to go. What's more, Movistar has promotions almost everyday including double or triple the amount you recharge, just pay attention to wheather it's for "todos operadores" or just for other Movistar numbers. I have a Comcel back-up number in a back-up phone and I haven't noticed any difference in coverage quality.I think if you go to a phone center for any service. I'd is required. There are grey market SIMs for all carriers. The reason you might want to go to go through the whole I'd thing is that these grey SIMs can get deactivated. If you live there or have a business, you might want to make sure you don't lose your number.

As I recall, Comcel is the most expensive to all carriers even to other Comcel phones. Tigo is the cheapest to all including Comcel. I think most girls still have Comcel because it was the original (and still) dominant carrier and everyone got a number with them. Now they don't want to lose that number. Besides most use them to receive calls (free incoming) and not to send calls.

I never really understood how all the promotions work. If someone could list them out it would be great.

Viking30
06-24-11, 23:06
And I think you are right about the I'd thing. I just wanted to point out that registrering your number with your passport is not the only option. Some people might not need it since they are only staying a few days to a few weeks a year and thus probably won't make use of the extra services. Others, for privacy reasons, might prefer not to have their number linked with their personal I'd. I bought both my numbers in official stores, so not much grey market over that. In any case I syncronize my phone every few days, just like you would back-up your HDD on a regular basis. One good reason for registerering your number, though, would be to have your balance transfered to a new card in case you somehow loose the old one or it gets stolen etc.

A way to overcoming the higher tariffs between different carriers could be to buy a double or even a triple sim phone.

And since we're on the subject of personalizing cards, note you can also have your MIO card (in Cali) personalized for the very same reason in case of loss of theft and I imagine it's the same with other transportation cards.


I think if you go to a phone center for any service. I'd is required. There are grey market SIMs for all carriers. The reason you might want to go to go through the whole I'd thing is that these grey SIMs can get deactivated. If you live there or have a business, you might want to make sure you don't lose your number.

As I recall, Comcel is the most expensive to all carriers even to other Comcel phones. Tigo is the cheapest to all including Comcel. I think most girls still have Comcel because it was the original (and still) dominant carrier and everyone got a number with them. Now they don't want to lose that number. Besides most use them to receive calls (free incoming) and not to send calls.

I never really understood how all the promotions work. If someone could list them out it would be great.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-27-11, 02:16
Follow DEA agents on their quest to track down and bust narco-submarines in one of the most violent regions of Colombia- the coastal town of Tumaco. NGC joins the investigation, taking to the streets and swamps with armed marine patrols. We'll meet a drug sub informant who ventures out to mark a sub site for capture- and subsequently goes missing. And meet one of the very first drug sub inventors, now "in hiding" as he shows original "test" footage of his creation. We'll also examine several seized semisubs for clues to their makers. And our cameras are there for a first-time look inside the biggest prey of all- a fully submersible cocaine sub!

Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/cocaine-sub-hunt-5604/Overview#tab-Overview#ixzz1QR1HBZkA.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/cocaine-sub-hunt-5604/Overview#tab-Videos / 10439_00

Gonzo
06-27-11, 06:49
Wired Magazine did an article on a captured sub in May. Truly amazing that they built this under a jungle canopy.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/03/ff_drugsub/all/1?pid=4968&viewall=true


Follow DEA agents on their quest to track down and bust narco-submarines in one of the most violent regions of Colombia- the coastal town of Tumaco. NGC joins the investigation, taking to the streets and swamps with armed marine patrols. We'll meet a drug sub informant who ventures out to mark a sub site for capture- and subsequently goes missing.

Omeprazol
06-29-11, 23:10
Planning on a trip to the Colombia, The Promised Land, in December-Jan. And have some questions. First off is this one:

Is it easy to buy (and find) sex in Columbia? No hassling with police or other authorities?

The Tall Man
06-30-11, 06:23
Planning on a trip to the Colombia, The Promised Land, in December-Jan.And have some questions.First off is this one:

Is it easy to buy (and find) sex in Columbia? No hassling with police or other authorities?The quick is: Yes and Yes there is no hassling.

Have fun!

The Tall Man

EstebanH
06-30-11, 15:51
50% (tops) of the sexy girls are real on a serious site like colombiancupid. Com (they have 40 other sites)

Amolatina and others are pure rip-off sites.

Cupid claims to make an effort in deleting ads by females exposing a supermodel body 90% nude.

But of course, the money comes from frustrated anglosaxon men so they have to permit profiles that are obviuos frauds.

Even if CUPID, being a serious site, they are dependent on the model-in-bikini-ads.What about Romance Latina? Are they legit or hookers.

What is the most common social media site that the chicas in Colombia use? Facebook, Tagged, Hi 5? Anyone have any luck on these sites?

Bango Cheito
06-30-11, 17:05
Prostitution here is 100% legal and regulated. In Bogota paid sex without a condom is actually a misdemeanor, otherwise, do what thou wilt without fear of reprisal. I doubt they'd be able to enforce that one too strictly either, but I always use condoms anyways. :P.

Absolutely everybody in Colombia under 30 is on Facebook. Generally that's how I pick new girls up, like 90% of the time, even living here. You make a quick connection on Face and then meet up in real life. Normal.

It's hard to tell who's who here in Colombia because people are very good at dissimulating things, and many women have charged for sex at one time or another. That doesn't mean the relationship won't be genuine. Best thing is just don't even worry about it, watch how she treats you at all times, and that's it.

The Navys Fault
07-01-11, 03:50
I think if you go to a phone center for any service. I'd is required. There are grey market SIMs for all carriers. The reason you might want to go to go through the whole I'd thing is that these grey SIMs can get deactivated. If you live there or have a business, you might want to make sure you don't lose your number.

As I recall, Comcel is the most expensive to all carriers even to other Comcel phones. Tigo is the cheapest to all including Comcel. I think most girls still have Comcel because it was the original (and still) dominant carrier and everyone got a number with them. Now they don't want to lose that number. Besides most use them to receive calls (free incoming) and not to send calls.

I never really understood how all the promotions work. If someone could list them out it would be great.Will be done for week at end of month. What does cost for cheap phone? Sounds like go with Comcel? Anybody know if Verizon Wireless works down there. Don't want to really use it, but just won't to know if have that option. Thanks!

MiamiHeatLuver
07-01-11, 04:36
Will be done for week at end of month. What does cost for cheap phone? Sounds like go with Comcel? Anybody know if Verizon Wireless works down there. Don't want to really use it, but just won't to know if have that option. Thanks!First things first, do not use your roaming verizon cell. Its like $2. 99 a minute and whats the point? NO local girls can or will call you. Bring an ID and head to the nearest COMCEL store, they're everywhere, and dish out like 60k ($35) for a cheap NOKIA. If you text a lot look for one with a keypad, if you forget what all the girls look like, like I do, get a phone with a camera to inventory log the girls. P. S. You might consider using a COMCEL kiosk in any of the supermarkets so you can do some shopping AND get your cellphone at the same time.

Bango Cheito
07-01-11, 05:43
If you have an unlocked phone that takes SIMcards. Just get a SIM from any provider. Comcel has a deal right now. 8000 for the SIM and it comes with 5000 of minutes. You'll proabbly want to put at least another 10k on there.

Yujin
07-01-11, 07:06
Will be done for week at end of month. What does cost for cheap phone? Sounds like go with Comcel? Anybody know if Verizon Wireless works down there. Don't want to really use it, but just won't to know if have that option. Thanks!Here's a couple of website that I've found helpful about cell phones / SIM cards:

http://www.medellincellphone.com/

http://www.medellinvisitorguide.com/instructionsforusingsimcard.html

Member #4394
07-01-11, 15:54
Can you find RezzRX, natural enhancer pill, in Colombia? Price? Thanks a lot!

Omeprazol
07-03-11, 15:23
What is the look of the typical Colombian chica? White, black, brown or a mixture of everything? Are there more blacks in Cartagena than Bogota / Medellin? Grateful for any response.

Tiny 12
07-03-11, 22:18
What is the look of the typical Colombian chica? White, black, brown or a mixture of everything? Are there more blacks in Cartagena than Bogota / Medellin? Grateful for any response.Omeprazol, the answers to your questions are "there is no typical look," "yes" and "yes", respectively. You'll see everything from women who look 100% Spanish to others who could be from sub-Saharan Africa or 100% indigenous (Indian). And everything in between those three endpoints.

There are more blacks in Cartagena and more Spanish-looking women in Medellin. However, you'll find prostitutes from all over Colombia in Cartagena, many who are light-skinned, and there are blacks in Medellin. Bogota like, say, New York City, is a bit of a melting pot, with no look that predominates.

Omeprazol
07-04-11, 16:25
Is Colombia much cheaper than Argentina and is it easier to find / buy sex there?

Ps. Thanks Tiny 12 for the information! I love melting pots.

The Tall Man
07-04-11, 17:55
Omeprazol, the answers to your questions are "there is no typical look," "yes" and "yes", respectively. You'll see everything from women who look 100% Spanish to others who could be from sub-Saharan Africa or 100% indigenous (Indian). And everything in between those three endpoints.

There are more blacks in Cartagena and more Spanish-looking women in Medellin. However, you'll find prostitutes from all over Colombia in Cartagena, many who are light-skinned, and there are blacks in Medellin. Bogota like, say, New York City, is a bit of a melting pot, with no look that predominates.Tiny is spot on with describing the woman from these different parts. Good job. And yes I will be tasting the Medellin Paisa's again next week!

The Tall Man

Cooldaddyc
07-04-11, 20:32
What about Romance Latina? Are they legit or hookers.

What is the most common social media site that the chicas in Colombia use? Facebook, Tagged, Hi 5? Anyone have any luck on these sites?Latin cupid is probably the safest one. But all the hustlers and hookers use these sights. It's their second atm / western union. Pre-qualify why qualify these broads before you see them.

SlamCity7777
07-04-11, 21:29
Is Colombia much cheaper than Argentina and is it easier to find / buy sex there?

Ps. Thanks Tiny 12 for the information! I love melting pots.Please allow me to help. I've had the pleasure of "living" in both Buenos Aires (Arg. 2 months over 2 trips) and Medellin (4 months total over several trips)

Cheaper? Cheaper is a relative term, you can find sex for $20-$500 in both countries depends on the girl, club, ect. IME I have found no correlation between cost and service in either country. Sure the girlsl might look better from the $500 club than the $50 street girl but she might be a dead fish in the sack and the $50 might rock the house. Also depends on your charm and charisma. Over all I would say it's a toss up. But if you did the math out. Hmmmm. Hmmm. I'd say Argentina is cheaper but it's been a few years since I've been there.

Quality? From top to bottom Colombia has Argentina beat IMO. The top-shelf-girls in COL & ARG are tied. Both have SUPER HOT GIRLS! Sexy and Beautiful and Sluts for money! Hahha. The middle or second tier girls; I would have to give a slight edge to COL but not by much ARG is very good but the girls don't have "that" look I like. And the bottom third definitely goes to COL; so essentially COL has a higher "I'd pay to fuck her " factor for me. But Like I said both have exquisite women you will not be disappointed by either.

BUT! I find that little touches are either included, cheaper, or not as a big of a deal in Argentina. Kissing, BBBJ, CIM, Facials, Booty-Sex ect. You know all the little nice touches that your wife / girlfriend is not cool with! Hahahah. For the most part these services are extra or she wants a "Propina Buena" in Colombia or the worst "No Senor" if you have an uptight chick. BBBJ all day every day in ARG but in Colombia (Bogota especially) it cost more. In Argentina I just asked before I pick her or even during. I was doing this girl from Missiones ARG. Doggie and I put my thumb in her booty and asked If we could do anal and the girl was like "hagale" I think is the expression which means like "cool" or "go ahead" or "all-rite" en english. No mention of extra $$$.

Easier? Both are super easy! During the day Colombia has Casas, Argentina has Privados. At night Argentina has great freelancer clubs, bars, and even restaurants which I love! Have a bite, chat up the girl, if you feel the heat take her out. Colombia has better strip clubs but I like the relaxed environment better in ARG. Plus ARG has an established on-line services that are fair and accurate; well as accurate as you can expect from an On-line-escort! Hhahahaha where this is still up-and-coming for COL.

If you're only into the travel for Sex this is all the info you'd want I'm thinking. But one important thing I should point out. Buenos Aires is a world class city with amazing things to do, open air markets, modern and safe Metro, history, food, culture, world class soccer or football, amazing night life. World Class City with a great vibe. Colombia is still getting they're head out of the sand so IMO and many guys agree Colombia can get boring at times. I mean how many malls can you go to? No exaggeration; Colombia can get boring after a few visits. Colombia does not have a Wine Region like Mendoza or a natural attraction like Iguzu Falls.

RECAP:

Cost: Push. Both are as cheap or as expensive as you like. It's up to you.

Girls: Slight Edge to Colombia but it's closer than you think. Think photo finish at a horse race.

Access: Both Super easy if you do a little leg work on the boards.

Other: Argentina by a mile. No amount of bandeja paisa or sancocho can touch a good fire grilled Argentina steak (check out No Reservations on the Travel Chanel and see for yourself. Plus all the other stuff. 1 or 2 museum in Bogota or Medellin worth visiting where as Argentina is like a living museum. Plus the European Cafe Culture. AWESOME!

Travel: USA, Canada, or UK (or even further) Colombia would be cheaper and a shorter trip (Brazil has the same draw back as Argentina in this fact)

If I had the time and Money I'd go to both!

AFrom what I remember Arg. Was cheaper that Col. There was a

Devin226
07-04-11, 22:38
I have been to the Dominican Republic many times. I am looking to try something new. I am looking for SKINNY girls with LIGHT skin. The skinnier the better. I like them model thing with perfect bodies and stunning faces. Dominican Republic is known to have darker skin girls with more meat. I'm not into that.

- Is Colombia or Costa Rica better for what I am seeking?

- Which cities? In Columbia, Bogota, Cartajena? Medellin?

- In Costa Rica, San Jose?

Which place will cost the least? In Dominican Republic (Sosua area) , the average is about $65 USD TLD. I'm willing to pay a small premium for nicer looking girls, but I don't want to quadruple the price either. Which place do you suggest?

I am 28-years-old, and pretty decent looking. I prefer places that have TONS of clubs that are filled with working girls. But very skinny stunning model types. Dominican Republic is tricky, because only 2 out of 10 girls fit that criteria. I want to go somewhere better.

The Tall Man
07-05-11, 01:10
I have been to the Dominican Republic many times. I am looking to try something new. I am looking for SKINNY girls with LIGHT skin. The skinnier the better. I like them model thing with perfect bodies and stunning faces. I prefer places that have TONS of clubs that are filled with working girls. But very skinny stunning model types. Dominican Republic is tricky, because only 2 out of 10 girls fit that criteria. I want to go somewhere better.Devin226. First and with due respect, none of them could give a sh*t about your age, your looks, your prowess, they only care about the green stuff in your wallet. If you forget this basic rule you are screwed, I know as I have forgotten this in days past.

You ask for the model, skinny type which country. Answer is NONE of Latin or Central America. It is an oxymoron to expect to find a woman in a Latin country with this look you are searching for. Head over to Eastern Europe. If you still strive for it try Brazil as I have found they have many thin and light skinned beauties.

The beauty of Latin woman is that they have curves. Yes you will find a few skinny ones with light skin in Colombia, I have, but that is the exception.

Have fun, The Tall Man

Questner
07-05-11, 03:51
I have been to the Dominican Republic many times. I am looking to try something new. I am looking for SKINNY girls with LIGHT skin. The skinnier the better. I like them model thing with perfect bodies and stunning faces. Dominican Republic is known to have darker skin girls with more meat. I'm not into that.

- Is Colombia or Costa Rica better for what I am seeking?

- Which cities? In Columbia, Bogota, Cartajena? Medellin?

- In Costa Rica, San Jose?

Which place will cost the least? In Dominican Republic (Sosua area) , the average is about $65 USD TLD. I'm willing to pay a small premium for nicer looking girls, but I don't want to quadruple the price either. Which place do you suggest?

I am 28-years-old, and pretty decent looking. I prefer places that have TONS of clubs that are filled with working girls. But very skinny stunning model types. Dominican Republic is tricky, because only 2 out of 10 girls fit that criteria. I want to go somewhere better.Go to North Korea. Everyone there is skinny and everyone is working.

Reefski
07-05-11, 17:59
Is this the look you're after? Flaca chocolaté. I had this chick yesterday in Medellin and she hit it out of the park. Great, GREAT session.

153677

Reef.


I have been to the Dominican Republic many times. I am looking to try something new. I am looking for SKINNY girls with LIGHT skin. The skinnier the better. I like them model thing with perfect bodies and stunning faces. Dominican Republic is known to have darker skin girls with more meat. I'm not into that.

- Is Colombia or Costa Rica better for what I am seeking?

- Which cities? In Columbia, Bogota, Cartajena? Medellin?

- In Costa Rica, San Jose?

Which place will cost the least? In Dominican Republic (Sosua area) , the average is about $65 USD TLD. I'm willing to pay a small premium for nicer looking girls, but I don't want to quadruple the price either. Which place do you suggest?

I am 28-years-old, and pretty decent looking. I prefer places that have TONS of clubs that are filled with working girls. But very skinny stunning model types. Dominican Republic is tricky, because only 2 out of 10 girls fit that criteria. I want to go somewhere better.

Bango Cheito
07-05-11, 22:54
Devin226. First and with due respect, none of them could give a sh*t about your age, your looks, your prowess, they only care about the green stuff in your wallet. If you forget this basic rule you are screwed, I know as I have forgotten this in days past.

You ask for the model, skinny type which country. Answer is NONE of Latin or Central America. It is an oxymoron to expect to find a woman in a Latin country with this look you are searching for. Head over to Eastern Europe. If you still strive for it try Brazil as I have found they have many thin and light skinned beauties.

The beauty of Latin woman is that they have curves. Yes you will find a few skinny ones with light skin in Colombia, I have, but that is the exception.

Have fun, The Tall ManI concur. Skinny is NOT in here. Women who are too thin get butt implants, for fuck's sakes. If you want thin and white go to EE.

MiamiHeatLuver
07-06-11, 16:29
Since its relatively slow on the Colombian Board.

Here's a free "HANDBOOK" To all YOU Western Union Novios and your Colombian Cupid / Romance Latina "Novias" Follow these rules, it can save you a lot of time, money and heartbreak.

Can anybody add some more cliches'? We can have a lot of fun with this. LOL ALL CREDIT GOES TO ORIGINAL POSTER, WHOEVER YOU ARE!

How to tell a good Colombiana from Grillas and Lobas.

I was having a good discussion with my Colombian friend recently about how to find a truly good woman in Colombia. Everyone knows that Latina women can make very good wives and there is something special about them that is so very attractive.; So, how does a Gringo tell a good woman from a bad woman here. I had long discussion with my friend and have many new insights to share with anyone looking for a GOOD wife or partner. I hope my comments are useful. I'm certain they will cause much comment.; Finding a good woman is EASY. They share many of the following characteristics:

(1) They have a university degree or are in the process of getting one. It has to be a REAL degree and not something like studying to be a hairdresser. More about hairdressers later.;

(2) They go to church regularly.;

(3) They love to work and find satisfaction in it.

(4) They love their family and are typically close to them.

(5) They wear discreet clothes. No rhinestones or anything flashy.

(6) They wear soft spoken shoes and NEVER platform shoes.; There are two other classes of women that you want to AVOID at all costs. Do not associate with them or you will get burned. These women are usually desperate and have particular styles designed to attract drug traffickers or assassin boyfriends. GOOD Colombian men will not associate with these women, only foreigners who do not realize what they are. One of the EASIEST ways to spot one of these women is that she will look at the foreigner and say 'I don't like Colombian men because they are unfaithful' or something like that. If a girlfriend ever told you that, then LOOK OUT. Frankly, they know they cannot attract a good man in Colombia so they hunt foreigners. The two types of women to avoid are called 'Grillas' and Lobas'. A Grilla is a younger woman who is just learning the tricks of the trade and a Loba is an older woman, usually over 35 years old that has learned the tricks of the trade. Here is how you can spot them:

GRILLAS (Lobas in training) & Wears clothes from 'Studio F'; Shiny clothes and Handbags, always copies of the original. ; Wears PLATFORM shoes&; Maybe Silicon breasts but is probably waiting for a foreigner to buy her a pair. ; Long painted nails with DESIGNS like a flower or something. &; Loves to shop in Medellin in 'el Hueco'& Loves WHITE BOOTS; Wears excessive eye makeup; Has unnatural Blond hair; Favorite profession is a hairdresser although can also works in general sales that requires little training.; Goes to Poblado restaurant 'San Carbon' frequently; Prefers Aguardiente and Rum; Says 'Mi Amor' to everyone, even people she just met. ; Loves animal print clothes or bags – usually leopard. ; Hot in bed – because they have had lots of practice before they meet you and will have more practice after you leave. ; May have tattoos – as we say in the USA 'Tramp Stamps'; May have permanent makeup on the face.; Goes to a neighborhood gym frequently; Wears a BRILLIANT WHITE WATCH. Probably to match her white boots. ; Has 2 pierces per earlobe instead of one. ; Wears sunglasses with some large design on the frame.;

LOBAS: Same as the Grillas above but the lobas have some differences because they have had more experience.; Wears GUESS and BEBE ; Still wears SHINY clothes but now they are real designer labels; Uses TOUS handbags; Wears TRUE RELIGION jeans; Has Silicon breasts that are WAY TOO BIG and way overexposed.; Long painted nails without design. ; Has Silicon injected lips and probably nose and butt surgery; MAY have unnatural Blond hair.; Live in Poblado or good parts of Envigaado if in the Medellin area; Drinks Whiskey; It's unlikely that she has a job. She prefers to receive money from foreigners. ; Maybe speaks some English courtesy of some Gringo before you.; Had tattoos (tramp stamps) removed; Wears clothes too young for her age; Goes to gym 5 days a week in the morning and with a trainer – because she does NOT work.; Wears the classic white watch – but designer now compared to the Grilla; Sunglasses are designer and probably Versace. If your woman has 3 or more of the Grilla or Loba traits mentioned above then she probably is one. Enter at your own risk. If she has less than 3 of the traits then she MIGHT be OK. ; That's it. Now my fellow foreigners know the right woman to pick in Colombia and other similar countries. Happy hunting!

Hioctane
07-06-11, 16:37
Finding a good woman is EASY. They share many of the following characteristics:&8232; &8232;

(1) They have a university degree or are in the process of getting one. It has to be a REAL degree and not something like studying to be a hairdresser. More about hairdressers later. &8232;

(2) They go to church regularly. &8232;

(3) They love to work and find satisfaction in it.

&8232; (4) They love their family and are typically close to them. &8232;

(5) They wear discreet clothes. No rhinestones or anything flashy. &8232;

(6) They wear soft spoken shoes and NEVER platform shoes.Isn't that why we came here in the first place? To get away from the boring wife? LOL. Now you want a boring wife in a foreign country? LOL.

Funny read though.

The Tall Man
07-06-11, 21:48
Since its relatively slow on the Colombian Board.

Here's a free "HANDBOOK" To all YOU Western Union Novios and your Colombian Cupid / Romance Latina "Novias" Follow these rules, it can save you a lot of time, money and heartbreak.

Can anybody add some more cliches'? We can have a lot of fun with this. LOL ALL CREDIT GOES TO ORIGINAL POSTER, WHOEVER YOU ARE!

How to tell a good Colombiana from Grillas and Lobas.

I was having a good discussion with my Colombian friend recently about how to find a truly good woman in Colombia. Everyone knows that Latina women can make very good wives and there is something special about them that is so very attractive. ; So, how does a Gringo tell a good woman from a bad woman here. I had long discussion with my friend and have many new insights to share with anyone looking for a GOOD wife or partner. I hope my comments are useful. I'm certain they will cause much comment. ; Finding a good woman is EASY. They share many of the following characteristics:

(1) They have a university degree or are in the process of getting one. It has to be a REAL degree and not something like studying to be a hairdresser. More about hairdressers later. ;

(2) They go to church regularly. ;

(3) They love to work and find satisfaction in it.

(4) They love their family and are typically close to them.

(5) They wear discreet clothes. No rhinestones or anything flashy.

(6) They wear soft spoken shoes and NEVER platform shoes. ; There are two other classes of women that you want to AVOID at all costs. Do not associate with them or you will get burned. These women are usually desperate and have particular styles designed to attract drug traffickers or assassin boyfriends. GOOD Colombian men will not associate with these women, only foreigners who do not realize what they are. One of the EASIEST ways to spot one of these women is that she will look at the foreigner and say 'I don't like Colombian men because they are unfaithful' or something like that. If a girlfriend ever told you that, then LOOK OUT. Frankly, they know they cannot attract a good man in Colombia so they hunt foreigners. The two types of women to avoid are called 'Grillas' and Lobas'. A Grilla is a younger woman who is just learning the tricks of the trade and a Loba is an older woman, usually over 35 years old that has learned the tricks of the trade. Here is how you can spot them:

GRILLAS (Lobas in training) & Wears clothes from 'Studio F'; Shiny clothes and Handbags, always copies of the original. ; Wears PLATFORM shoes&; Maybe Silicon breasts but is probably waiting for a foreigner to buy her a pair. ; Long painted nails with DESIGNS like a flower or something. &; Loves to shop in Medellin in 'el Hueco'& Loves WHITE BOOTS; Wears excessive eye makeup; Has unnatural Blond hair; Favorite profession is a hairdresser although can also works in general sales that requires little training. ; Goes to Poblado restaurant 'San Carbon' frequently; Prefers Aguardiente and Rum; Says 'Mi Amor' to everyone, even people she just met. ; Loves animal print clothes or bags – usually leopard. ; Hot in bed – because they have had lots of practice before they meet you and will have more practice after you leave. ; May have tattoos – as we say in the USA 'Tramp Stamps'; May have permanent makeup on the face. ; Goes to a neighborhood gym frequently; Wears a BRILLIANT WHITE WATCH. Probably to match her white boots. ; Has 2 pierces per earlobe instead of one. ; Wears sunglasses with some large design on the frame. ;

LOBAS: Same as the Grillas above but the lobas have some differences because they have had more experience. ; Wears GUESS and BEBE; Still wears SHINY clothes but now they are real designer labels; Uses TOUS handbags; Wears TRUE RELIGION jeans; Has Silicon breasts that are WAY TOO BIG and way overexposed. ; Long painted nails without design. ; Has Silicon injected lips and probably nose and butt surgery; MAY have unnatural Blond hair. ; Live in Poblado or good parts of Envigaado if in the Medellin area; Drinks Whiskey; It's unlikely that she has a job. She prefers to receive money from foreigners. ; Maybe speaks some English courtesy of some Gringo before you. ; Had tattoos (tramp stamps) removed; Wears clothes too young for her age; Goes to gym 5 days a week in the morning and with a trainer – because she does NOT work. ; Wears the classic white watch – but designer now compared to the Grilla; Sunglasses are designer and probably Versace. If your woman has 3 or more of the Grilla or Loba traits mentioned above then she probably is one. Enter at your own risk. If she has less than 3 of the traits then she MIGHT be OK. ; That's it. Now my fellow foreigners know the right woman to pick in Colombia and other similar countries. Happy hunting!Good read, some of it is spot on, some of it very grey, I have dated both Rolos and Paisas, both prepagos and the highly educated university degree woman, I have partied in Medellin and Bogota, all in all this is a good reminder when I am walking the streets of Medellin next week.

Thanks for sharing, The Tall Man

John Gault
07-06-11, 22:53
Good job MHL,

Yes we need a little action here.

A lot of the non Pro's I have met have some of the traits you mentioned. They all, non pro's and pro's tell me how bad the local men are. My last serious women in BAQ was a hair dresser. LOL.

I think one of the strongest traits, and most easy to spot is the blonde hair. Now a lot of girls in Colombia have different streaks of color in their hair, but the total blondes I think should be very suspect.

If you are looking for a wife or a true GF in Colombia, than you should be like Dick Tracy / Sherlock Holmes. Most of these Gems could fool the devil himself. Boys it's no fun to get your feelings (wallet) hurt.

Artisttyp
07-06-11, 23:01
Please allow me to help. I've had the pleasure of "living" in both Buenos Aires (Arg. 2 months over 2 trips) and Medellin (4 months total over several trips)

Cheaper? Cheaper is a relative term, you can find sex for $20-$500 in both countries depends on the girl, club, ect. IME I have found no correlation between cost and service in either country. Sure the girlsl might look better from the $500 club than the $50 street girl but she might be a dead fish in the sack and the $50 might rock the house. Also depends on your charm and charisma. Over all I would say it's a toss up. But if you did the math out. Hmmmm. Hmmm. I'd say Argentina is cheaper but it's been a few years since I've been there.

Quality? From top to bottom Colombia has Argentina beat IMO. The top-shelf-girls in COL & ARG are tied. Both have SUPER HOT GIRLS! Sexy and Beautiful and Sluts for money! Hahha. The middle or second tier girls; I would have to give a slight edge to COL but not by much ARG is very good but the girls don't have "that" look I like. And the bottom third definitely goes to COL; so essentially COL has a higher "I'd pay to fuck her " factor for me. But Like I said both have exquisite women you will not be disappointed by either.

BUT! I find that little touches are either included, cheaper, or not as a big of a deal in Argentina. Kissing, BBBJ, CIM, Facials, Booty-Sex ect. You know all the little nice touches that your wife / girlfriend is not cool with! Hahahah. For the most part these services are extra or she wants a "Propina Buena" in Colombia or the worst "No Senor" if you have an uptight chick. BBBJ all day every day in ARG but in Colombia (Bogota especially) it cost more. In Argentina I just asked before I pick her or even during. I was doing this girl from Missiones ARG. Doggie and I put my thumb in her booty and asked If we could do anal and the girl was like "hagale" I think is the expression which means like "cool" or "go ahead" or "all-rite" en english. No mention of extra $$$.

Easier? Both are super easy! During the day Colombia has Casas, Argentina has Privados. At night Argentina has great freelancer clubs, bars, and even restaurants which I love! Have a bite, chat up the girl, if you feel the heat take her out. Colombia has better strip clubs but I like the relaxed environment better in ARG. Plus ARG has an established on-line services that are fair and accurate; well as accurate as you can expect from an On-line-escort! Hhahahaha where this is still up-and-coming for COL.

If you're only into the travel for Sex this is all the info you'd want I'm thinking. But one important thing I should point out. Buenos Aires is a world class city with amazing things to do, open air markets, modern and safe Metro, history, food, culture, world class soccer or football, amazing night life. World Class City with a great vibe. Colombia is still getting they're head out of the sand so IMO and many guys agree Colombia can get boring at times. I mean how many malls can you go to? No exaggeration; Colombia can get boring after a few visits. Colombia does not have a Wine Region like Mendoza or a natural attraction like Iguzu Falls.

RECAP:

Cost: Push. Both are as cheap or as expensive as you like. It's up to you.

Girls: Slight Edge to Colombia but it's closer than you think. Think photo finish at a horse race.

Access: Both Super easy if you do a little leg work on the boards.

Other: Argentina by a mile. No amount of bandeja paisa or sancocho can touch a good fire grilled Argentina steak (check out No Reservations on the Travel Chanel and see for yourself. Plus all the other stuff. 1 or 2 museum in Bogota or Medellin worth visiting where as Argentina is like a living museum. Plus the European Cafe Culture. AWESOME!

Travel: USA, Canada, or UK (or even further) Colombia would be cheaper and a shorter trip (Brazil has the same draw back as Argentina in this fact)

If I had the time and Money I'd go to both!

AFrom what I remember Arg. Was cheaper that Col. There was aGreat post. I only disagree with one thing. Somewhere like Medellin is way cheaper than Argentina. I haven't been to BA in a few years but from what I hear everything has gone up (25% inflation) minus the girls. The street scene (minus the cafes) from my experience goes from gross to grosser. Plaza miserie constitution and florida st. Are my only refrences.

Medellin has $25 hotels in the centro. Good luck finding anything but a hostel in BA for that. SW's in Medellin rule. Both casa situations are just about equal. 24/7 privados in BA rule. There is nothing like knowing you can show up 24/7. It's a great feeling.

Thank you for admitting that Colombia is a mall culture. If you don't mall or booze you are in for a very SLOW vacation. Food sucks in Colombia. Great for mongers with acid reflux issue. No spices very bland.

Cyberdas
07-07-11, 05:57
Thank you for admitting that Colombia is a mall culture. If you don't mall or booze you are in for a very SLOW vacation. Food sucks in Colombia. Great for mongers with acid reflux issue. No spices very bland.Food sucks in Colombia? It must be relative. To each their own! Colombian food is very tasty and so is the food that is found there originally from other places such as Italian, Mexican, Chinese, Cuban, and American. I wouldn't trade an awesome burger from Mario Bros, Presto or El Corral for a Big Mac or Whopper either in Colombia or in Sex Prison. Sandwich Qbano has an outlet in South Beach which is so totally worth the drive to enjoy over just about any Cuban place in South Florida. How I miss having access to Manzana, Colombiana, Uva or Naranjada in movie theaters. How about the arepas, corn on the cob, empanadas, churros and perros one can find in just about any corner (granted, some places are cleaner and better than others). The Pizzas and wings are awesome too and it seems like one can eat more of everything down there without worrying as much about gaining weight either.

Mall culture and boozing is true unless you manage to stay in places where access to outdoor activities (if you're into that) are available in terms of proximity and costs. For this, I have decided when I return to visit Locombia, to do so in the center (Boyaca and Bogota (from where one can get out to any other part of the country with relative ease (and costs) either by road or by plane) or head straight into the eastern part of the country (the Santanderes, the llanos) or the south (Huila, Caqueta) where I hear it is much safer now to travel through. You can't beat the great outdoors in these places with great rivers and lakes and awesome mountain ranges with cool pueblos and smaller cities in between. Where also, Colombia being Colombia, one will encounter hot local girls who may or may not compete with the gals from the bigger cities but who will probably be far more approachable and genuine and at a bigger bargain too. The P4P out there is cheaper (believe it or not) and how much better to be able to go camping, river rafting or horseback ridding with a babe over taking her to the mall where in turn she could fall in love with something expensive that you may have to buy for her?

SlamCity7777
07-07-11, 13:47
Great post. I only disagree with one thing. Somewhere like Medellin is way cheaper than Argentina. I haven't been to BA in a few years but from what I hear everything has gone up (25% inflation) minus the girls. The street scene (minus the cafes) from my experience goes from gross to grosser. Plaza miserie constitution and florida st. Are my only refrences.

Medellin has $25 hotels in the centro. Good luck finding anything but a hostel in BA for that. SW's in Medellin rule. Both casa situations are just about equal. 24/7 privados in BA rule. There is nothing like knowing you can show up 24/7. It's a great feeling.

Thank you for admitting that Colombia is a mall culture. If you don't mall or booze you are in for a very SLOW vacation. Food sucks in Colombia. Great for mongers with acid reflux issue. No spices very bland.Thank you for the kind words Artisttyp. I just trolled the Arg board and compared the pricing from 3-4 years ago when I last visited. Too bad the girls didn't drop 30% too! I never have been much of a street walker guy so I did not figure that into my equation.

Bro how great are the All Day-All Night Privados? You land and then an hour ride into BA, settle in, take a nap, now it's 2-3Am NO PROBLEM! Where as in Colombia most everything closes around then. When I was kicking it with my buddy and his local girlfriend* we'd get ready for the club (both regular and Puta) at 1am, roll in 2-3 am and rock out till 2PM! I think it was called Crocodillio or some thing like that, a bar that didn't get going till 4-5AM when all the other Hooker bars and stuff closed. Very good hunting grounds from what I remember, girls jsut looking for any date, you could dictate any terms and she'd be faced with a "Take it or Leave it". I went like twice and loved it every time!

(She could CRUSH 99. 9% of chick in COL. Real & Perky D cups, pretty face, sweet smile, nice, a true lady like chica. He hit a home run with her. A bit lacking in the booty for a Latina chick but great for a USA chick)

Nothing to admit, just the truth, Colombia like a lot of places in the world are mall cultures. Boring.

SlamCity7777
07-07-11, 14:30
Good job MHL,

Yes we need a little action here.

A lot of the non Pro's I have met have some of the traits you mentioned. They all, non pro's and pro's tell me how bad the local men are. My last serious women in BAQ was a hair dresser. LOL.

I think one of the strongest traits, and most easy to spot is the blonde hair. Now a lot of girls in Colombia have different streaks of color in their hair, but the total blondes I think should be very suspect.

If you are looking for a wife or a true GF in Colombia, than you should be like Dick Tracy / Sherlock Holmes. Most of these Gems could fool the devil himself. Boys it's no fun to get your feelings (wallet) hurt.Mr Heat Lover: Fun Read thanks. Too bad you have crap taste in Basket Ball teams! Just kidding, ya'll still 2 o 3 pieces away.

@JG: My current novia is a hair dresser too! RUN!

Seriously the original poster is painting with broad brush strokes and is describing 90% of the women on the planet and not just COL.

If you can't spot a gold digger a mile away and have to ask yourself if he's really into you then chances are you don't want to know the real answer anyway so just enjoy the ride.

SlamCity7777
07-07-11, 15:13
Food sucks in Colombia? It must be relative. To each their own! Colombian food is very tasty and so is the food that is found there originally from other places such as Italian, Mexican, Chinese, Cuban, and American. I wouldn't trade an awesome burger from Mario Bros, Presto or El Corral for a Big Mac or Whopper either in Colombia or in Sex Prison. Sandwich Qbano has an outlet in South Beach which is so totally worth the drive to enjoy over just about any Cuban place in South Florida. How I miss having access to Manzana, Colombiana, Uva or Naranjada in movie theaters. How about the arepas, corn on the cob, empanadas, churros and perros one can find in just about any corner (granted, some places are cleaner and better than others). The Pizzas and wings are awesome too and it seems like one can eat more of everything down there without worrying as much about gaining weight either.

Mall culture and boozing is true unless you manage to stay in places where access to outdoor activities (if you're into that) are available in terms of proximity and costs. For this, I have decided when I return to visit Locombia, to do so in the center (Boyaca and Bogota (from where one can get out to any other part of the country with relative ease (and costs) either by road or by plane) or head straight into the eastern part of the country (the Santanderes, the llanos) or the south (Huila, Caqueta) where I hear it is much safer now to travel through. You can't beat the great outdoors in these places with great rivers and lakes and awesome mountain ranges with cool pueblos and smaller cities in between. Where also, Colombia being Colombia, one will encounter hot local girls who may or may not compete with the gals from the bigger cities but who will probably be far more approachable and genuine and at a bigger bargain too. The P4P out there is cheaper (believe it or not) and how much better to be able to go camping, river rafting or horseback ridding with a babe over taking her to the mall where in turn she could fall in love with something expensive that you may have to buy for her?My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL!

From your post I can see where the issue of "Food Suck in Colombia" could be viewed as relative. Seeing as how you referenced fast food burger joints, street hot dogs, soda flavor at the movies, wings, pizzas as examples to support your argument; explain to me how this is "Colombian Food" more as it's an import from US-Fast Food Culture."Yeah the wings at Hooters are awesome. Colombia has great food" that's what it sound like you're saying. Corral has good burger granted, but so do fifty million other countries and a million little eateries in those countries. Meat, bun, cheese, fixings, that's it. Not too hard. In-and-Out would BURY Corral alive all day every day and twice on Sunday!

Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK!

That's like saying Morton's The Steak House and McDonalds are in the same league because they both have beef on their menus. I took my novia to a fancy Seafood Joint in Bogota right on Parque 93. I got the Paella (granted not a Colombian dish but one that a Colombian had to conceptualize, taste and put on the menu) it was BLAND and poorly executed, shrimp over cooked, rice undercooked, ect.

I believe most members who share my perspective are referring to the nicer restaurants or actual restaurants in general where you get a COOKED meal and not just something warmed up like a burger or hot dot. Over cooked chicken, poorly executed dishes, miss understood concepts of food, over priced everything, The food sucks in Colombia; well it does if you have desire to eat anything delicious any any real food that is

You do make many valid point about mall culture but most of us mongers stick to the cities, Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, Medellin, all of which are lacking in the immediate area for activities. It is the comment "I hear it is much safer now to travel through" much safer is not totally safe and Me, Myself, and I. We enjoy total safety or as close as we can get in any given environment.

Hioctane
07-07-11, 15:42
My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL!I would have to agree with you. The problem is that Colombians don't like spicy foods. IMO, you need some spice to make a good meal. The food was just too salty and a bit bland.

El Vagabundo
07-07-11, 16:16
Because no one would go and pay for this swill if there was a choice. Even in Miami, where there are millions of Colombians, they do not have many Colombian resturants.

IN N' OUT – IN N' OUT, that's what a hamburger is all about. I would give my eye teeth to have an in and'out here in Cartagena. Taco Bell is coming and most of the fast food restaurants here do not know it yet, but they are doomed. After living here for over 5 years I rarely eat out as even in the best restaurants, the ones that are famous here, the food is average at best. If out back steak house had a franchise here, the best steak houses in all of Colombia could not compete.

9 out of 10 Colombians do not even know how to use an oven. Most restaurants do not have one and even if you were serving something truly of great quality, the Colombian palette is so un sophisticated, they could not eat it. Beans, rice, chard chicken, meat and pork. They even serve calentado for breakfast in most restaurants. That is left over beans and rice from last night. That is all they eat and all they can accept. Over cooked, over salted, over priced. That is a fact, not my opinion.

Ricker
07-07-11, 16:59
Is this the look you're after? Flaca chocolaté. I had this chick yesterday in Medellin and she hit it out of the park. Great, GREAT session.

153677

Reef.Great foto Reefmeister!

You know I love the morenitas. Chocolates like her!

If she's on the program, I hope you set me up!

Gracias por la foto!

Ricker
07-07-11, 17:14
Food sucks in Colombia? It must be relative. To each their own! .Well that's the bottom line;"to each their own".

Personally though, I've been to BA (Argentina) , Colombia, and Brazil for that matter, many times over.

Though I'm not a food guru, and food is not my top priority, I'd easily give Argentina the nod for best food.

Colombia, however, wins hands down in the people department, meaning the carino (love and affection) of the people in general, the non-pro regular girls as well as the PFP.

Argentina (BA) is a distant third in that all important category IMO.

Brazil wins as far as sexuality in general goes and the sexual liveliness of the women, no doubt about that.

My, Ricker's list, for what it's worth:

1. Colombia for love and affection, but avoid hair dressers haha (joke) , actually it's easy to spot the gold diggers, just think with the big head first, though easier said than done.

2. Brazil for the best sex and overall sexuality.

3. Argentina for the best steak. Hey I know you can get good sex in Argentina, the scene is well organized for sure, but IMO it's just not as good as either Colombia or Brazil.

Member #4394
07-07-11, 18:33
Food at high-end restaurants are similar among SA cities, I believe. I like chicas in Colombia but do not have good opinion about the people's behavior in Colombia. Colombians lie all the time, they got used to it and they are not embarrased or feel shame about lies and BS. Also depending upon your race, their attitude to you, thereby your experience in Colombia, differ a lot. Most of you may disagree, but most of you are caucasians, thereby did not experience the way colored people are treated. I am Asian, and "a lot" of people come to me and do weired or stupid things to me. I noticed that they do not do the same to westerner-gringos, or to me when I am with gringos. Young, educated people are nice. But old, drunken guys are absolute losers. Plus, pedestrians on the street are not treated better than cockroaches.


My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL!

From your post I can see where the issue of "Food Suck in Colombia" could be viewed as relative. Seeing as how you referenced fast food burger joints, street hot dogs, soda flavor at the movies, wings, pizzas as examples to support your argument; explain to me how this is "Colombian Food" more as it's an import from US-Fast Food Culture."Yeah the wings at Hooters are awesome. Colombia has great food" that's what it sound like you're saying. Corral has good burger granted, but so do fifty million other countries and a million little eateries in those countries. Meat, bun, cheese, fixings, that's it. Not too hard. In-and-Out would BURY Corral alive all day every day and twice on Sunday!

Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK!

That's like saying Morton's The Steak House and McDonalds are in the same league because they both have beef on their menus. I took my novia to a fancy Seafood Joint in Bogota right on Parque 93. I got the Paella (granted not a Colombian dish but one that a Colombian had to conceptualize, taste and put on the menu) it was BLAND and poorly executed, shrimp over cooked, rice undercooked, ect.

I believe most members who share my perspective are referring to the nicer restaurants or actual restaurants in general where you get a COOKED meal and not just something warmed up like a burger or hot dot. Over cooked chicken, poorly executed dishes, miss understood concepts of food, over priced everything, The food sucks in Colombia; well it does if you have desire to eat anything delicious any any real food that is

You do make many valid point about mall culture but most of us mongers stick to the cities, Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, Medellin, all of which are lacking in the immediate area for activities. It is the comment "I hear it is much safer now to travel through" much safer is not totally safe and Me, Myself, and I. We enjoy total safety or as close as we can get in any given environment.

Legal Tender
07-07-11, 20:37
I like chicas in Colombia but do not have good opinion about the people's behavior in Colombia. Colombians lie all the time, they got used to it and they are not embarrased or feel shame about lies and BS. .Not true. They only lie when their mouths are moving. My impression is that the rule in Colombia is certainly, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider. There is a simple solution: don't believe anything you are told, and don't have any expectations. If you follow these simple rules you won't be disappointed.

Only good energy!

The Tall Man
07-07-11, 22:09
Not true. They only lie when their mouths are moving. My impression is that the rule in Colombia is certainly, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider. There is a simple solution: don't believe anything you are told, and don't have any expectations. If you follow these simple rules you won't be disappointed.

Only good energy!LegarTender is spot on."The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider", yes this is the culture and the norm.

Here in the states you are respected and valued in business and in relationships of all sorts when you "let your yes mean yes and your no, no" but in Colombia this straight shooter concept simply does not register in their brains. I have discussed this with my Colombian friends and other gringos who are very familiar with the culture.

The Tall Man

The Tall Man
07-07-11, 22:17
Because no one would go and pay for this swill if there was a choice. Even in Miami, where there are millions of Colombians, they do not have many Colombian resturants.

IN N' OUT – IN N' OUT, that's what a hamburger is all about. I would give my eye teeth to have an in and'out here in Cartagena. Taco Bell is coming and most of the fast food restaurants here do not know it yet, but they are doomed. After living here for over 5 years I rarely eat out as even in the best restaurants, the ones that are famous here, the food is average at best. If out back steak house had a franchise here, the best steak houses in all of Colombia could not compete.

9 out of 10 Colombians do not even know how to use an oven. Most restaurants do not have one and even if you were serving something truly of great quality, the Colombian palette is so un sophisticated, they could not eat it. Beans, rice, chard chicken, meat and pork. They even serve calentado for breakfast in most restaurants. That is left over beans and rice from last night. That is all they eat and all they can accept. Over cooked, over salted, over priced. That is a fact, not my opinion.El Vag. You must be from SoCal, I also was raised on IN N' OUT and heck there is one a block from my house here in LA. But bro 5 years, wow. The first thing I always do when flying back into LAX is stop at the IN N' OUT right off the 405 in Torrance.

I will confirm that Colombian food sucks! Period, end of story! Bland, salty, absolutely no imagination with it, certainly nothing healthy at all, they eat it just to fill their gut with something, that's what Colombian food is!

I will be in Medellin next week, maybe I should look for a good location for an IN N' OUT in Park Llares, jejejejeje How do you say Double-Double with onions and pickle in espanol.)

The Tall Man

Hilltopper
07-07-11, 22:21
Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK!Well I've certainly enjoyed other dishes than only the three you named, such as Ajiaco Bogotano, Cazuela de Mariscos, and Lechona served with envueltos. Are they native to Colombia? I don't know, but I do know that the locals presented them to me as if they were a "proud" dish from their particular region of Colombia. Oh, there's the one I haven't had called La ternera a la llanera o mamona. Again, probably found in other countries in Latin America as well, but with its own Colombian twist. I mean who wouldn't enjoy a festive party amongst family and friends with plenty of drink and veal on a spear cooked over a wood fire?

I can also remember different occasions at different houses where the man of the house brought out his "stash" of hot picante sauce. One time it was when the wife had made a dish that was very similar to what we would call jambalaya, but prepared without any spicy seasoning. He and I both "spiked" our dish with the picante, but the women and children did not (which is not that unusual even in the States). Another time in a totally different household and in a totally different region of Colombia, the wife served sanchocho de pescado and the man of that house also proudly went and retrieved his stash of picante sauce to share with me. Again, the women and children passed on adding the picante to their dish.

While I know that everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, I believe a person can find some delicious fresh, whole food to eat in Colombia. My system responds very well to the absence of the overload of preservatives that are typically more widespread in the standard fare eaten in the States.

If I think back to my last trip to Colombia, let's see there was (among other things) suckling pig, filet mignon topped with blue cheese, veal in a wine sauce, prawns (seasoned and with wine sauce) , large tiger shrimp (seasoned and with a wine sauce) , excellent sushi (tuna, salmon, squid, etc, prepared by a guy hailing from Venezuela and of Japanese descent) , red snapper, calamari, grouper, escargot, sanchocho de pescado, pork tenderloin, more fresh fruit than I can name, delicious homemade soups and homemade fruit juices, etc. My palate certainly didn't feel deprived.

To me, it's kind of what you make of it or are open to, what you expose yourself to, and what you like and dislike. Just a different perspective I suppose.

Member #4394
07-08-11, 00:23
Great explanation. Probably human taste is developped (and fixed) before one becomes 6-7 yearls old (or much earlier). I lived in louisiana for 10 years, and I saw many "Americans" visiting Louisiana complained about "too hot and too salty" food. Also Louisiana people consider the food in Non-south bland and poor. BTW, I like bread and cakes in Colombia. American cakes are too "sugary" for me. Both American and Colombian beers are poor. But there are some great microbrewed beers in the USA, specially in Cali.


Well I've certainly enjoyed other dishes than only the three you named, such as Ajiaco Bogotano, Cazuela de Mariscos, and Lechona served with envueltos. Are they native to Colombia? I don't know, but I do know that the locals presented them to me as if they were a "proud" dish from their particular region of Colombia. Oh, there's the one I haven't had called La ternera a la llanera o mamona. Again, probably found in other countries in Latin America as well, but with its own Colombian twist. I mean who wouldn't enjoy a festive party amongst family and friends with plenty of drink and veal on a spear cooked over a wood fire?

I can also remember different occasions at different houses where the man of the house brought out his "stash" of hot picante sauce. One time it was when the wife had made a dish that was very similar to what we would call jambalaya, but prepared without any spicy seasoning. He and I both "spiked" our dish with the picante, but the women and children did not (which is not that unusual even in the States). Another time in a totally different household and in a totally different region of Colombia, the wife served sanchocho de pescado and the man of that house also proudly went and retrieved his stash of picante sauce to share with me. Again, the women and children passed on adding the picante to their dish.

While I know that everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, I believe a person can find some delicious fresh, whole food to eat in Colombia. My system responds very well to the absence of the overload of preservatives that are typically more widespread in the standard fare eaten in the States.

If I think back to my last trip to Colombia, let's see there was (among other things) suckling pig, filet mignon topped with blue cheese, veal in a wine sauce, prawns (seasoned and with wine sauce) , large tiger shrimp (seasoned and with a wine sauce) , excellent sushi (tuna, salmon, squid, etc, prepared by a guy hailing from Venezuela and of Japanese descent) , red snapper, calamari, grouper, escargot, sanchocho de pescado, pork tenderloin, more fresh fruit than I can name, delicious homemade soups and homemade fruit juices, etc. My palate certainly didn't feel deprived.

To me, it's kind of what you make of it or are open to, what you expose yourself to, and what you like and dislike. Just a different perspective I suppose.

SlamCity7777
07-08-11, 00:37
Well I've certainly enjoyed other dishes than only the three you named, such as Ajiaco Bogotano, Cazuela de Mariscos, and Lechona served with envueltos. Are they native to Colombia? I don't know, but I do know that the locals presented them to me as if they were a "proud" dish from their particular region of Colombia. Oh, there's the one I haven't had called La ternera a la llanera o mamona. Again, probably found in other countries in Latin America as well, but with its own Colombian twist. I mean who wouldn't enjoy a festive party amongst family and friends with plenty of drink and veal on a spear cooked over a wood fire?

I can also remember different occasions at different houses where the man of the house brought out his "stash" of hot picante sauce. One time it was when the wife had made a dish that was very similar to what we would call jambalaya, but prepared without any spicy seasoning. He and I both "spiked" our dish with the picante, but the women and children did not (which is not that unusual even in the States). Another time in a totally different household and in a totally different region of Colombia, the wife served sanchocho de pescado and the man of that house also proudly went and retrieved his stash of picante sauce to share with me. Again, the women and children passed on adding the picante to their dish.

While I know that everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, I believe a person can find some delicious fresh, whole food to eat in Colombia. My system responds very well to the absence of the overload of preservatives that are typically more widespread in the standard fare eaten in the States.

If I think back to my last trip to Colombia, let's see there was (among other things) suckling pig, filet mignon topped with blue cheese, veal in a wine sauce, prawns (seasoned and with wine sauce) , large tiger shrimp (seasoned and with a wine sauce) , excellent sushi (tuna, salmon, squid, etc, prepared by a guy hailing from Venezuela and of Japanese descent) , red snapper, calamari, grouper, escargot, sanchocho de pescado, pork tenderloin, more fresh fruit than I can name, delicious homemade soups and homemade fruit juices, etc. My palate certainly didn't feel deprived.

To me, it's kind of what you make of it or are open to, what you expose yourself to, and what you like and dislike. Just a different perspective I suppose.Fair enough. You offer a much more informed response with supportability information.

I like food. I enjoy everything from In-and-Out burgers to Steaks at Peter Lugers to Lobsters and Steamers in Maine. I have worked for more than one guest judge on "Top Chef" and eaten at the restaurants at a dozen more. Not a food snob or a jerk who calls himself a "Foodie" but when a BOLD declaration such as "The Food in Colombia is Good." and street hot dogs, middle of the pack burgers, and a poor representation of pizza are offered as example of good food well. I can't let that ride!

I'm done with talking about food. Back to working girls and the Men who chase them!

Cyberdas
07-08-11, 04:07
My gut-shot reaction to the first part of this post is "You got to be kidding me!" but I'll stay civil and respond accordingly. LOL!

From your post I can see where the issue of "Food Suck in Colombia" could be viewed as relative. Seeing as how you referenced fast food burger joints, street hot dogs, soda flavor at the movies, wings, pizzas as examples to support your argument; explain to me how this is "Colombian Food" more as it's an import from US-Fast Food Culture."Yeah the wings at Hooters are awesome. Colombia has great food" that's what it sound like you're saying. Corral has good burger granted, but so do fifty million other countries and a million little eateries in those countries. Meat, bun, cheese, fixings, that's it. Not too hard. In-and-Out would BURY Corral alive all day every day and twice on Sunday!

Name me one local native dish of Colombia other than Bandeja Paisa, Arepas, San Cocho, and the legendary Colombian street hot dog. You can't because the food does in fact SUCK!

That's like saying Morton's The Steak House and McDonalds are in the same league because they both have beef on their menus. I took my novia to a fancy Seafood Joint in Bogota right on Parque 93. I got the Paella (granted not a Colombian dish but one that a Colombian had to conceptualize, taste and put on the menu) it was BLAND and poorly executed, shrimp over cooked, rice undercooked, ect.

I believe most members who share my perspective are referring to the nicer restaurants or actual restaurants in general where you get a COOKED meal and not just something warmed up like a burger or hot dot. Over cooked chicken, poorly executed dishes, miss understood concepts of food, over priced everything, The food sucks in Colombia; well it does if you have desire to eat anything delicious any any real food that is

You do make many valid point about mall culture but most of us mongers stick to the cities, Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, Medellin, all of which are lacking in the immediate area for activities. It is the comment "I hear it is much safer now to travel through" much safer is not totally safe and Me, Myself, and I. We enjoy total safety or as close as we can get in any given environment.Why thank you, Slamcity7777, for staying civil and for responding accordingly. I'm sure glad things didn't get out of hand even though I detected to have touched on a sensitive nerve with regards to American and Colombian food with you (and others). It's funny to see how out of nowhere this forum turned into heated discussions about cuisines. It's probably good for a change of conversation from the normal and usual. Although I don't understand what I said could have raised such a firestorm. For a moment I thought I had said something negative about Medellin in the MDE forum where those guys there don't play with anything bad being said about Paisas and Medellin. But for the General Discussion area, I was really surprised to see the types of responses that were forthcoming.

In my argument I referenced fast food in comparing that of American with that of Colombian. Since I had mentioned that it was something relative and to each their own. Then my own (speaking from a relative perspective, that is) is that Colombian food does not suck and that in turn, even the fast food from Gringoland that is found in Colombia is for the most part (as I did mention that some places where better than others) better than the grub you find in similar (though not in absolute terms) junk food mills and joints thoughout Sex Prison. I wasn't trying to start any beef with anyone or anything for providing with an opinion in countering your original "Colombian Food Sucks" statement, sir. How can I explained American-imitaded fast food in Colombia as being better than Taco Bell and Inn-and-Out (or rather McDonalds or Burger King as my original examples were)? I really would not know how to scientifically break it down for you if that is what you are looking for here. And I won't either. Screw you! But I can tell you this much, the ingredients that are used in the elaboration of not only imitation junk food but most other foods in Colombia (and most of Latin America including Argentina) are more natural, with less artificial be. S, with salt, sugar, oils that are less harmful to your body and vegetables and what not that are more fresh and that have not been frozen and had so many chemicals added to them for preserving. Thus partly the high levels of obesity in the USA since the opposite is true over here.

I lived in L. A. For over ten years and I won't deny also enjoying a delicious Inn-and-Out burger (I would frequent the one in Westwood down the street from UCLA) or even a Tommy's chilli Burger or a Pink's chilli dog on Melrose Ave and La Brea. How about Tito's Tacos off of Venice Blvd and Sepulveda or El Tepayac in City Terrace (some of the best burritos anywhere) for close to authentic Mexican food. Let me not get into the Chinese, Japanese and Thai food that is found there as well.

Dude, tons of Colombian dishes exist so I don't know where you are getting your grub while mongering in Locombia, but there are plenty of authentic and delicious Colombian plates aside from the Bandeja Paisa such as Lengua Sudada, Posta, Mondongo, morcilla rellena, patacon pisado, higado encebollado, papas chorreadas. The food also changes by region. Along the coasts you will find a lot of seafood but so will you in the Amazons. In the Andean region (the area most frequented by mongerers including yourself) traditional dishes also vary slightly as for example from Medellin to Bogota to Cali.

You find Colombian food to be bland, not prepared with enough spices, over executed, under cooked, miss understood and even overpriced. Wow, my gut reaction to that (to borrow your words) would also have to be "you got to be kidding me!". Dude, so McDonald's, Burger King and Subway must be up your alley in terms of what stands for delicious and real food? Granted, I did enjoy the subway sandwiches in Oviedo Mall in Medellin and the McDonald's coffee and ice cream cones (an American imitation?) with arequipe are worth a trip to any McDonald's in Colombia for (though probably not to be consumed in combination). The good thing is that Taco Bell will be arriving in Colombia soon and if the TLC passes approval in Congress, then perhaps the ingredients and food used for preparing dishes in Colombia will be American and therefore they might come close to meeting your palate standards. Don't want to go mongering where only the women are edible but not the food. That wouldn't be a good thing, now would it? But perhaps in keeping with the American fast food tradition and culture, you would have to stick to the very few expatriate food joints in Colombia to help you R&R from mongering. Unless you go vegan and survive on a liquid and canned food diet only.

And as far as you and yourself sticking to the all-too familiar destinations of Cali, Bogota, Medellin because of total safety concerns. Stay there. Or better yet and for total safety, stay at home instead where you won't go wrong with the food and awesome fast food junk and honest and good white Americans as opposed to those lying and deceitful Colombians. Most of those mentioned Colombian cities are going downhill a la Costa Rica and Mexico style because of so many gringos (no offense intended to all gringos here) who drive up the prices (along with the mafiosos) for just about everything. Including mongering and the overpriced food you mentioned. As I posted previously, it is exactly these kind of places that I will be steering clear from as me, myself and I will go to where the food is either caught and prepared right away or because of lack of knowledge, culture or resources, will be (to borrow your words once again) bland, not prepared with enough spices, over executed, under cooked, miss understood and even overpriced. And this has been to me my own! I don't expect people to agree with me even though I suspect the majority of Colombianos (including the chicas you monger with) would. But then again, this is a forum for (mostly) white people to share information about mongering and the like so probably little meaning will my opinions carry with the cyber population here.

Mr Enternational
07-08-11, 04:33
9 out of 10 Colombians do not even know how to use an oven. Most restaurants do not have one and even if you were serving something truly of great quality, the Colombian palette is so un sophisticated, they could not eat it.Is that why my Colombiana did not know how to light the oven and she loves my cooking?

BayBoy
07-08-11, 05:54
I'd like to say what I do like about Colombian food. Its the side dishes on the plate beside the main dish.

Its the veggies and salad (cole slaw?) , rice and beans, Plantain and patacons. All healthy stuff.

The main dishes are another matter. 4 main categories: carne, chicken, pork and fish. Mostly its a cheap cut of beef and pork. Tilapia, or Robalo for the fish. But the helpings are big and filling.

MiamiHeatLuver
07-08-11, 12:27
There's a whole thread for Colombian Food, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3118-Colombian-Food

Some Colombian food they get right, others not even close. The food while NOT bland has many of the same spices. It will never hold a candle to PERU though as far as quality and variety or ARGENTINA for its wines and meats products.

Hasideas Tao
07-08-11, 13:54
LegarTender is spot on."The lack of straightforwardness is part of the culture where the ends justify the means. And, there is no embarrassment or shame because the interest is always on instant gratification. The idea that decisions have consequences is a concern or concept that most Colombians I've met don't consider", yes this is the culture and the norm.

Here in the states you are respected and valued in business and in relationships of all sorts when you "let your yes mean yes and your no, no" but in Colombia this straight shooter concept simply does not register in their brains. I have discussed this with my Colombian friends and other gringos who are very familiar with the culture.

The Tall ManPersonally, I find Colombia very straightforward. Sure, people have their tricks but it's taken me all of 1 week to understand the M. O.

I feel in the states, as a consumer, you need a lawyer to decipher the terms and conditions of just about any transaction. Coupons, frequent shopper cards, loyalty programs, points miles, sales. 3 for $5, buy 3 get one free. 0% APR, expiration dates, teasers, hidden fees. To me, none of it is very straightforward. Seems to me like anything revolving around exchange of money in the states has purposely confusing, misleading and hidden information. Sure, they do it in Colombia too but I find it is not nearly as complex or sophisticated. My favorite trick in Colombia is when asking for 1 of anything, somehow I often end up receiving and paying for 2.

El Vagabundo
07-08-11, 23:40
El Vag. You must be from SoCal, I also was raised on IN N' OUT and heck there is one a block from my house here in LA. But bro 5 years, wow. The first thing I always do when flying back into LAX is stop at the IN N' OUT right off the 405 in Torrance.

I will confirm that Colombian food sucks! Period, end of story! Bland, salty, absolutely no imagination with it, certainly nothing healthy at all, they eat it just to fill their gut with something, that's what Colombian food is!

I will be in Medellin next week, maybe I should look for a good location for an IN N' OUT in Park Llares, jejejejeje How do you say Double-Double with onions and pickle in espanol.)

The Tall ManTall Man, yes you are spot on. Born in Pasadena and raised in OC (Tustin) until the age of 26. Spent 20 more years in SLO County and now living here in this food wasteland. I remember when I was just a teenager, we would pile several of us in a car, go to the forum and catch a Tull concert, or Zappa, The Who, Led Zeplin, so on and so forth. We would always end up, stoned and rockin at Tommys, downing chiliburgers and orange soda. Those were the days.

Now it is arepas, san cocho and of course 'Pink Tacos'

Life could be worse for a fat old fart.

The Tall Man
07-09-11, 08:13
Tall Man, yes you are spot on. Born in Pasadena and raised in OC (Tustin) until the age of 26. Spent 20 more years in SLO County and now living here in this food wasteland. I remember when I was just a teenager, we would pile several of us in a car, go to the forum and catch a Tull concert, or Zappa, The Who, Led Zeplin, so on and so forth. We would always end up, stoned and rockin at Tommys, downing chiliburgers and orange soda. Those were the days.

Now it is arepas, san cocho and of course 'Pink Tacos'

Life could be worse for a fat old fart.Yep your just a few years older then me. I hear you. I was born in Glendale but raised in San Gabriel Valley (Covina) , lived a bit south of where you grew up in Tustin Ranch for 16 years, got tired of the rat race and now considering moving to Colombia.

Like you music has been and is a big part of my life. So I will miss both the IN N' OUT and the concerts here in SoCal. A few weeks ago U2 was at Anaheim Stadium, John Fogerty was at San Juan Cap about a month ago, on and on. You saw some great bands! Two months ago was at the Forum (can't even count how many concerts I have seen there) and caught this hard German band Rammstein. Just the ambiance of the Forum brings back fond memories like you have.

Regards, The Tall Man

Bango Cheito
07-11-11, 17:41
As for food, it varies a LOT depending on the city. Cartagena and Bogota both have lots of real good upscale restaurants that match anything else in the world, the other cities not so much. Medellin despite being the 2nd biggest city in the country I found to be surprisinly provincial. But in Bogota there is a WIDE selection of great cuisine. Not to mention street food ROCKS anywhere in Colombia. The best hamburger I've ever had in my life can be found on the corner of 8th and 46th in Chapinero, at night only.

As for music, I moved here FOR the music principally, as that's what I do for a living. We just had Rock Al Parque here. 4 days of 12 hours of bands on 3 separate stages with almost 120k people per day attending. Once again, depends a LOT on which city you're in and how the local city council leans. Some cities (Pereira for example) are quite big on culture and sponsor lots of cultural events throughout the year. Others not so much.

TuDueno
07-13-11, 19:47
What an endless discussion. I only can say that whatever food I got prepared in a Colombian family was excellent. The food in real Colombian non fastfood restaurants in the countryside was excellent too. I have no idea why people are complaining that Colombian food is not spicy. With all these spicy sauces around in Colombia one can make every dish spicy. And finally who cares about the quality of fast food? This is junk everywhere in the world. After all I thought that this forum is about eating juicy pussies. For the later purpose it is certainly worth to visit Colombia.

Brother P
07-16-11, 21:11
Brethren,

I've been talking and e mailing with a cutie I meet on Colombian Cupid. I'm planning to hang out with her my next trip. She lives in Itagui, which I know is where Mayorista is. My question is, is there a good part of Itagui?

Dpilzbo
07-17-11, 03:10
But it's all relative. Since I do not know your background or what you are familiar / comfortable with I do not know what you consider "bad". You mentioned Mayorista so I am guessing you think that is bad. (I personally love the area but maybe because I have not limited myself to the strip and late night visits but that's me.) If that is the case then yes, there are better areas in Itaguii. I will say that from what my friends living there tell me, Itaguii is one of the rougher areas as a whole. I know ladies that live in Itaguii, I have visited them and it was like a typical neighborhood here in my city. Some people think that is bad. LOL. So I still say. It's all relative. How does her living in Itaguii matter though? Meet her in a place you are comfortable and go from there.

DP

Lmarcone
07-17-11, 04:05
Brethren,

I've been talking and e mailing with a cutie I meet on Colombian Cupid. I'm planning to hang out with her my next trip. She lives in Itagui, which I know is where Mayorista is. My question is, is there a good part of Itagui?Yes there is. Other side of autopista / metro-line than Mayorista. The Parque or main plaza / square of Itaguii is lovely actually. It is like the Parque of Envigado- if you are familiar. Ask her to meet you there- the "parque".

Buena suerte, hermano!

Mr Gogo
07-17-11, 05:47
Brethren,

I've been talking and e mailing with a cutie I meet on Colombian Cupid. I'm planning to hang out with her my next trip. She lives in Itagui, which I know is where Mayorista is. My question is, is there a good part of Itagui?Look man, don't be running up in anywhere in Colombia unless you first develope a comfort zone. Invite her to you place a few times to develope a vibe. Hang out with her there. Study her as a person. Is she rushing? Is she nervous? Is she not trustworthy? You need to know these things before you go to her crib. You are the judge. Don't go for the " your special" "I like you" bullshit. I've been in the bario of most latin Amreican counties, and in Colombia you have to make sure, otherwise you will be leaving naked, and crying fo yo momma.

Brother P
07-17-11, 05:58
[Gracias mi amigo!

QUOTE=Lmarcone; 1177269]Yes there is. Other side of autopista / metro-line than Mayorista. The Parque or main plaza / square of Itaguii is lovely actually. It is like the Parque of Envigado- if you are familiar. Ask her to meet you there- the "parque".

Buena suerte, hermano![/QUOTE]

Chesscat
07-17-11, 15:16
mr. gogo opines that it is inadvisable or perhaps dangerous to visit her home. i respectfully disagree. also, re sizing her up with great caution, i assume this guy is of normal intelligence and can figure it out. the worst that can happen, with any likelihood, is that he bangs her for a while and then decides he needs his space. going to her home, i think that is fun. usually they have a kid, and you get to meet mom and perhaps pops, and see how they live. i like stuff like that. i went to a girl's home in itagui, and not a particularly nice part of itagui, and had fun and got to know the girl better. so i say go for it and have a great time! have a cook out, you buy the steaks, wtf.

chesrep001
aka "mr. non-pro"

Brother P
07-17-11, 16:21
Thanks for the input gentleman! I will definetly have her meet me at my place initially. Get to know her in person as opposed to the phone calls and e mails. Probably eat in LLeres and hang out at palamira. But if she seems cool I will go her house and meet her family and all that. You only live once right? Being able to walk in Loutrons or Fase Dos and bang any chick I see is one great experence! But dealing with WGs gets a little old sometimes. Sometimes! LOL!

Furysys
07-17-11, 16:51
Itagui has some nice areas and some very ugly areas. The outlet mall which I pretty sure is in Itagui proper is fine, but there are other very dangerous areas. I went with the now ex-novia to Bello, and that.

Was not the best of areas, but this was after I'd gotten to know her well. Bring her up to LLeras, have coffee or dinner, then you'll know. I wouldn't do it straight away

MiamiHeatLuver
07-17-11, 17:29
Any good "decent" girl will NOT go to your apartment by herself for the first time and will always want to bring a friend or 2 for "safety in numbers" I give them some leeway on that topic. I mean what decent girl would just come over just like that after talking on the phone and chatting on the internet? A couple of things because it can become very expensive. After one or two times and you have built that confidence level with her, make sure you make it very clear that you really like her friends but you came there to spend time with her and that her friends shouldn't assume they can go out and hang every time that you guys go out. They will try to pull that shit on you.

Also get a good read of these girls because some are crooks and like to work in teams and drug you (small possibility but very possible) she's not the only one who has the right to have some concern but I don't like strangers coming over and casing my place and belongings either.

Since she might not come over by herself. Meet over at the Giant Exito market in Itagui and have some coffee or come up a more north and meet and TESORO eat and walk around, build up that trust factor both ways. C. C. And Especially R. L. Is about 80% girls fishing for WU novios and gold diggers.

Brother P
07-17-11, 19:56
Thanks for the insight into the culture. Hmmm, I told her I was going to Barranquilla after MDE and she asked if she could come along. I told her no, but maybe she's not a non pro. I'll find out. I need to watch what I tell chicas!


Any good "decent" girl will NOT go to your apartment by herself for the first time and will always want to bring a friend or 2 for "safety in numbers" I give them some leeway on that topic. I mean what decent girl would just come over just like that after talking on the phone and chatting on the internet? A couple of things because it can become very expensive. After one or two times and you have built that confidence level with her, make sure you make it very clear that you really like her friends but you came there to spend time with her and that her friends shouldn't assume they can go out and hang every time that you guys go out. They will try to pull that shit on you.

Also get a good read of these girls because some are crooks and like to work in teams and drug you (small possibility but very possible) she's not the only one who has the right to have some concern but I don't like strangers coming over and casing my place and belongings either.

Since she might not come over by herself. Meet over at the Giant Exito market in Itagui and have some coffee or come up a more north and meet and TESORO eat and walk around, build up that trust factor both ways. C. C. And Especially R. L. Is about 80% girls fishing for WU novios and gold diggers.

Brother P
07-17-11, 21:15
Another question comes to mind. This chica says she's no paisa. She's from Monteria, she says she can make more money in Medellin. She sales ladies underwear. My question in, is there a big difference in the attitudes and values between Paisas and Costenas? Some of the coolest and most fun chicas I've meet so far were from Cali!

MiamiHeatLuver
07-17-11, 23:22
Another question comes to mind. This chica says she's no paisa. She's from Monteria, she says she can make more money in Medellin. She sales ladies underwear. My question in, is there a big difference in the attitudes and values between Paisas and Costenas? Some of the coolest and most fun chicas I've meet so far were from Cali!No doubt about it. The paisas are the most superficial bitches on the planet. They are the worst I've experienced after extensive time in the 4 major cities. They think they are the upper class mainstream Colombians and have a 100 percent, see, want, envious, jealous attitude. I have to admit there are more humble Colombianas in other cities. A lot of this has to do with foreigners invading Medellin and them getting spoiled as well. A few problems arise ONCE a nice humble girl from a humble city arrives to work. She makes friends in Medellin and is QUICKLY TRANSFORMED into a PAISA with a PAISA ATTITUDE and all.

Chesscat
07-18-11, 00:04
Again I respectfully disagree with a brother. The reason I go to Medellín, IS FOR THE PAISAS. They are beautiful, and aim to please. At least the ones I hang with.

Brother P
07-18-11, 00:18
Once again I thank everyone for there input! I'm glad that I can kick it with people who have more experince instead of learning everything the hard way! My next trip isn't until November, but I will post on the results of this little experiment.

Brother P
07-18-11, 00:28
brother chess,

thanks for your contribution, i appreciate your help truly. what i'm talking about is the possibilty of having something a little more fulfilling than the usual p4p situation. for sure, the wg paisa give gfe as the norm. but speaking for myself, i'm only good for two pops a day. a brother could use a little company for the other 22! lol! can a dude have a cool amiga to kick it with when i'm in town and not be a western union novio and all that bs?


again i respectfully disagree with a brother. the reason i go to medellín, is for the paisas. they are beautiful, and aim to please. at least the ones i hang with.

Chesscat
07-18-11, 02:23
Can a dude have a cool amiga to kick it with when in town and not be a western union novio? I would say no. Not unless you are young, good-looking and rich. But that works everywhere. If you're a normal monger, older, overweight, balding, white, then I would say no. The goal for me is for me to enjoy their youth and beauty, and they get the dough they want and need. Works for me, works for them. You can hang with them to some extent, got out to eat before or after, go to a club, depending on your age, but they should be compensated. If a paisa were hanging with me for free, I would be asking what's wrong with this picture?

But looking for something beyond the slam, bam thank you mam, I understand that. It's a question of how much more are you looking for? One time I watched a movie with a paisa, that was good. I've had paisas spend the night, that was good. I've gone out to eat with them, fun. I've gone on day trips with them, also fun. Something beyond the cloud of dust you do want, and you can get something more, but how much more, that's hard to say. My approach is to get as much as I can squeeze out of a relationship with a working girl. It's fun and no one gets hurt.

As far as sending them money, that's never really advisable, and always up to you.

Brother P
07-18-11, 02:35
point taken. thank you sir!


can a dude have a cool amiga to kick it with when in town and not be a western union novio? i would say no. not unless you are young, good-looking and rich. but that works everywhere. if you're a normal monger, older, overweight, balding, white, then i would say no. the goal for me is for me to enjoy their youth and beauty, and they get the dough they want and need. works for me, works for them. you can hang with them to some extent, got out to eat before or after, go to a club, depending on your age, but they should be compensated. if a paisa were hanging with me for free, i would be asking what's wrong with this picture?

but looking for something beyond the slam, bam thank you mam, i understand that. it's a question of how much more are you looking for? one time i watched a movie with a paisa, that was good. i've had paisas spend the night, that was good. i've gone out to eat with them, fun. i've gone on day trips with them, also fun. something beyond the cloud of dust you do want, and you can get something more, but how much more, that's hard to say. my approach is to get as much as i can squeeze out of a relationship with a working girl. it's fun and no one gets hurt.

as far as sending them money, that's never really advisable, and always up to you.

Hioctane
07-18-11, 05:38
can a dude have a cool amiga to kick it with when in town and not be a western union novio? i would say no. not unless you are young, good-looking and rich. but that works everywhere. if you're a normal monger, older, overweight, balding, white, then i would say no. the goal for me is for me to enjoy their youth and beauty, and they get the dough they want and need. works for me, works for them. you can hang with them to some extent, got out to eat before or after, go to a club, depending on your age, but they should be compensated. if a paisa were hanging with me for free, i would be asking what's wrong with this picture?

but looking for something beyond the slam, bam thank you mam, i understand that. it's a question of how much more are you looking for? one time i watched a movie with a paisa, that was good. i've had paisas spend the night, that was good. i've gone out to eat with them, fun. i've gone on day trips with them, also fun. something beyond the cloud of dust you do want, and you can get something more, but how much more, that's hard to say. my approach is to get as much as i can squeeze out of a relationship with a working girl. it's fun and no one gets hurt.

as far as sending them money, that's never really advisable, and always up to you.it's very possible to find a cool amiga without being a wu novio. then again i'm younger and in decent shape. i think your idea of a normal monger is off. imo, there are more and more younger mongers. i've met many on my trips and we all like the idea of a nsa relationship. i think that's the attraction and not to get married like some of the older gents. however i do want to point out it is not a good idea to lead the chicas on and promise them marriage and a visa. be up front and you will have a cool amiga without the wu aspect. with the movies coming out about this subject."no strings attached" and "friends with benefits," feel them out. it's easier to do this with chicas close to your age though.

Optic Guard
07-18-11, 16:19
I live on the road in a RV and I sell a product in military bases and gun show and good swap meets but I am wondering if you are looking

For an normal woman around 30 or 45 and there seems to be a lot of them where I am looking and some are really nice looking. Can anyone who live in

Medellin contact me at Skype or By email opticguard@gamil.com And give me some true scoop about about Medellin. I am more interested in.

Friends With Benefit or living together. Frank Casio is selling rooms so I know he is busy I will probably stay with him when I am in Medellin.

My Spanish is fairly good and I know spanish culture. But I hope to get a friend on skype

Thanks a lot.

TOM

John Gault
07-18-11, 18:36
I live on the road in a RV and I sell a product in military bases and gun show and good swap meets but I am wondering if you are looking

For an normal woman around 30 or 45 and there seems to be a lot of them where I am looking and some are really nice looking. Can anyone who live in

Medellin contact me at Skype or By email opticguard@gamil.com And give me some true scoop about about Medellin. I am more interested in.

Friends With Benefit or living together. Frank Casio is selling rooms so I know he is busy I will probably stay with him when I am in Medellin.

My Spanish is fairly good and I know spanish culture. But I hope to get a friend on skype

Thanks a lot.

TOMAs you stated about women 30 to 45. There are a ton of them in Colombia as the local men want the younger girls. If you stick to the older women you will have more than you know what to do with. One thing you must be careful of. Even some of the older girls are either P4P or have done it when they were younger. Of course it does not appear you are looking to get married so I would not let a girls past stand in your way if she fits the bill.

Legal Tender
07-18-11, 19:57
It's very possible to find a cool amiga without being a WU novio. Then again I'm younger and in decent shape. I think your idea of a normal monger is off. IMO, there are more and more younger mongers. I've met many on my trips and we all like the idea of a NSA relationship. I think that's the attraction and not to get married like some of the older gents. However I do want to point out it is not a good idea to lead the chicas on and promise them marriage and a visa. Be up front and you will have a cool amiga WITHOUT the WU aspect. With the movies coming out about this subject."No Strings Attached" and "Friends With Benefits," feel them out. It's easier to do this with chicas close to your age though.Too bad that youth is wasted on the young. Then again, I'm not younger and questionable "decent" shape. My point is that there is no such thing as an NSA relationship. Everyone has expectations that run the gamut of marriage and living happily after to just having some time with an enjoyable companion. Unfortunately, perhaps, all parties have expectations. It's as simple as this: give what you have to offer and take what is freely given to you. And, along the road, if you can do things that make these girls or maybe just one girl's life a little less stressful, a little less difficult, and maybe with a little hope for the future, then the narcissistic component of an NSA relationship is diminished. The NSA becomes I feel good about myself because I've cared about another human being.

Only good energy!

Bango Cheito
07-18-11, 20:57
The paisas are some of my favorite peoples here, I find the costeñas to be the ones who are shallow and materialistic and uninformed. I like the rolas for intellectual stimulation and the paisas for warmth and the WOW factor. The costeñas remind me too much of the chickenheads I left behind in NYC.

Bango Cheito
07-18-11, 21:21
Too bad that youth is wasted on the young. Then again, I'm not younger and questionable "decent" shape. My point is that there is no such thing as an NSA relationship. Everyone has expectations that run the gamut of marriage and living happily after to just having some time with an enjoyable companion. Unfortunately, perhaps, all parties have expectations. It's as simple as this: give what you have to offer and take what is freely given to you. And, along the road, if you can do things that make these girls or maybe just one girl's life a little less stressful, a little less difficult, and maybe with a little hope for the future, then the narcissistic component of an NSA relationship is diminished. The NSA becomes I feel good about myself because I've cared about another human being.

Only good energy!I think you can have an NSA defined as a relationship where what each has to offer the other is no more no less than sex. BUT both parties have to be very much attracted to each other and enjoy each other immensley in the sack.

Optic Guard
07-18-11, 23:51
I understand that sex isn't the only thing, but I enjoy older woman and from what I can see young men like young women and young woman

Like money and young men rarely have that I myself have am not looking for marriage as its not in my gene's But friends are a lot better for

Me that way we can have a honest relationship I am not a GREEN CARD. That being said I see on some sites that there are so many nice looking

30 to 45 year old's that need some good loving. Young girls are ok but they don't have very good communication skills. My spanish skill are good

Enough to have a good conversation and not get bored. I have a site that is free and wow some of them woman are out right hot young guys

See age and then not interested but older woman will be a lot more interesting because of the chase and catch LOL.

Thanks

Tom

Legal Tender
07-19-11, 04:20
I think you can have an NSA defined as a relationship where what each has to offer the other is no more no less than sex. BUT both parties have to be very much attracted to each other and enjoy each other immensley in the sack.What you describe is lust, not a NSA relationship. Sure, two folks can be so attracted to each other that they literally can't keep their hands off of each other. When I was much younger, I remember going to see Bo Derek in the movie "10." I went with my dad and a couple of his buddies. I was old enough to lust after Bo as did my dad and his friends. I overheard one say to the other: "Just remember guys, no matter how hot she is, there's some dude who is tired of fucking her. And so it goes. As for the lust laden maiden of which you refer, sooner or later she will be thinking,"what am I getting out of this other than great sex"? Women want security and protection. That's not me saying that, it's biology. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend Robert Wright's "The Moral Animal: Why We Are the Way We Are: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology." The closest "relationship" to an NSA one is the one with a sex worker: I will give you X if you spend Y time with me which includes sex. And, please act like there is some passion, even if you are thinking about your Colombian novio while your're sharing your body.

NSA. It doesn't exist. Ain't nothing free from some anticipated benefit.

Only good energy

Ricker
07-19-11, 16:20
What you describe is lust, not a NSA relationship. Sure, two folks can be so attracted to each other that they literally can't keep their hands off of each other. When I was much younger, I remember going to see Bo Derek in the movie "10." I went with my dad and a couple of his buddies. I was old enough to lust after Bo as did my dad and his friends. I overheard one say to the other: "Just remember guys, no matter how hot she is, there's some dude who is tired of fucking her. And so it goes. As for the lust laden maiden of which you refer, sooner or later she will be thinking,"what am I getting out of this other than great sex"? Women want security and protection. That's not me saying that, it's biology. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend Robert Wright's "The Moral Animal: Why We Are the Way We Are: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology." The closest "relationship" to an NSA one is the one with a sex worker: I will give you X if you spend Y time with me which includes sex. And, please act like there is some passion, even if you are thinking about your Colombian novio while your're sharing your body.

NSA. It doesn't exist. Ain't nothing free from some anticipated benefit.

Only good energyNothing like a new loving relationship, however, though he wasn't referring to women, I can relate Kenny Roger's words to relationships with women:

"... If you're going to play the game, then you got to learn to play it right, you got to know when to HOLD 'em, know when to FOLD 'em, know when to WALK away and know when to RUN..."

Have fun, learn to read the women you're with, be honest with yourself and don't be a fool or a patsy.

Only the best of energy please

Bango Cheito
07-19-11, 18:10
Nothing like a new loving relationship, however, though he wasn't referring to women, I can relate Kenny Roger's words to relationships with women:

". If you're going to play the game, then you got to learn to play it right, you got to know when to HOLD 'them, know when to FOLD 'them, know when to WALK away and know when to RUN."

Have fun, learn to read the women you're with, be honest with yourself and don't be a fool or a patsy.

Only the best of energy pleaseI will read your book, and in return you should read "Sperm Wars". Evolutionary biology at its best.

I never meant to say that an NSA relationship would be stable over the long term. I think for a relationship to have long-term stability there has to be an element of mutual support an edification. OR one party takes advantage of the other party and the other party doesn't mind. Which is actually the most common form of long-term relationship.

I've never had it happen to me personally but I've seen it happen to my friend, where a girl pays his transportation from one city to another, rents him a hotel room, and pays his food just so she can fuck him.

I think for me the big problem is that women are obsessed with making themsleves PHYSICALLY attractive to men, and men dont give a flying FUCK about making themselves physically attractive to women. Many men, including me some years ago, thought that "money is the best aphrodisiac" as the site's slogan says. I believe now that that's a total myth!

Hioctane
07-19-11, 18:20
What you describe is lust, not a NSA relationship. Sure, two folks can be so attracted to each other that they literally can't keep their hands off of each other. When I was much younger, I remember going to see Bo Derek in the movie "10." I went with my dad and a couple of his buddies. I was old enough to lust after Bo as did my dad and his friends. I overheard one say to the other: "Just remember guys, no matter how hot she is, there's some dude who is tired of fucking her. And so it goes. As for the lust laden maiden of which you refer, sooner or later she will be thinking,"what am I getting out of this other than great sex"? Women want security and protection. That's not me saying that, it's biology. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend Robert Wright's "The Moral Animal: Why We Are the Way We Are: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology." The closest "relationship" to an NSA one is the one with a sex worker: I will give you X if you spend Y time with me which includes sex. And, please act like there is some passion, even if you are thinking about your Colombian novio while your're sharing your body.

NSA. It doesn't exist. Ain't nothing free from some anticipated benefit.

Only good energyWhat you describe is not an NSA relationship either. It's a quasi-relationship. An open relationship. In a true NSA relationship. There are no commitments. You are good friends. You enjoy each other's company. However, she can fuck who she wants and you can fuck who you want. If she is busy or you are busy (date / friends). That is fine. There is no jealousy. You might give her money / gifts here or there. Birthdays, holidays, dire need (once in a while). However this is not expected (with a sex worker it is). If feelings start to develop. You need to get out! What is she getting out of this if not security? Sex when she doesn't have a boyfriend. A great friend. Someone to go out and have a nice dinner with. Partying. Etc. There are lots of elements of a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship. BUT there is no commitment!

Legal Tender
07-19-11, 22:05
Many men, including me some years ago, thought that "money is the best aphrodisiac" as the site's slogan says. I believe now that that's a total myth!You seek to under-mind the very foundation of the "monger" culture. What you call a "slogan" only shows lack of respect and commitment to the foundation of the brotherhood. Silly,"money is the best aphrodisiac" is the constitution, not a slogan.

Only good energy!

Bango Cheito
07-20-11, 02:01
You seek to under-mind the very foundation of the "monger" culture. What you call a "slogan" only shows lack of respect and commitment to the foundation of the brotherhood. Silly,"money is the best aphrodisiac" is the constitution, not a slogan.

Only good energy!HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAH!

That's "undermine"

Admittedly I haven't been mongering much this year and at all lately since I got hooked up again, but we ARE planning a couple of threesomes with a couple of my favorite p4p girls.

I think the greatest YMMV factor however is how a girl reacts to you on a physical level, and even in p4p this makes a helluva difference. Another factor is how good you are in bed. Especially with the p4p crowd a guy with a good tongue can get real popular ;)

MiamiHeatLuver
07-20-11, 02:55
Especially with the p4p crowd a guy with a good tongue can get real popular ;)Or a guy with a handy Pocket Rocket. The girls act shy like "WTF is that?" but after a little taste? The can't get enough and always want me to give it to them as a little gift. No Way!

Legal Tender
07-21-11, 04:26
Nothing like a new loving relationship, however, though he wasn't referring to women, I can relate Kenny Roger's words to relationships with women:

". If you're going to play the game, then you got to learn to play it right, you got to know when to HOLD 'them, know when to FOLD 'them, know when to WALK away and know when to RUN."

Have fun, learn to read the women you're with, be honest with yourself and don't be a fool or a patsy.

Only the best of energy pleaseI understand your reference to Kenny Roger's words. Your adaptation of his lyrics to one's relationship with a women has the ring of truth. But, what do you do when you are "pot committed"? My Paisa has 3 more years of the university here in the states. Some days I think it's a great deal; some days I'm thinking how to "fold'them." Of course, the fact that her ass is so fine that it ought to be an museum, seems to keep creeping into my decisions. Damn addictions: find one that "fits" and it has such power, don't you think?

I'll say this - it's a very interesting experiment. And, carried out with only good energy.

Ricker
07-21-11, 13:29
I understand your reference to Kenny Roger's words. Your adaptation of his lyrics to one's relationship with a women has the ring of truth. But, what do you do when you are "pot committed"? My Paisa has 3 more years of the university here in the states. Some days I think it's a great deal; some days I'm thinking how to "fold'them." Of course, the fact that her ass is so fine that it ought to be an museum, seems to keep creeping into my decisions. Damn addictions: find one that "fits" and it has such power, don't you think?

I'll say this. It's a very interesting experiment. And, carried out with only good energy.Well, if you've got a keeper, then of course that's when you "HOLD them (her)".

I've got a couple keepers myself, out of many candidates over the years, however, I keep them in their native countries, the USA just seems to spoil and change things with these girls, seen it many times with convinced friends who later got burned.

Always plenty of other nice ass out there that is also so fine, I find new ones all the time haha, don't we all?

A nice ass alone will not make me that silly, as to bring one to the homeland, I got to be able to "walk away or run" when needed. .

The best of energy to all!

Chesscat
07-22-11, 23:43
there does not seem to be much info re guatapé. can someone recommend some hotels, and activities? thanks.

chesrep001

Hillbilly69
07-23-11, 01:06
there does not seem to be much info re guatapé. can someone recommend some hotels, and activities? thanks.

chesrep001boat rides, zip line, el penol, penol church repica a pueblito paisa replica, tourist chics.

hotels there is bunch but i would park my ass at la fogata just because it is on the guatape malecon has restaraunt, disco.

Hillbilly69
07-23-11, 01:12
there does not seem to be much info re guatapé. can someone recommend some hotels, and activities? thanks.

chesrep001boat rides, zip line, el penol, penol church repica a pueblito paisa replica, tourist chics.

hotels there is bunch but i would park my ass at la fogata just because it is on the guatape malecon has restaraunt, disco.

Chesscat
07-23-11, 01:24
Nice pics Hillbilly, and good info. Thanks.


Boat rides, Zip line, El Penol, Penol Church Repica a Pueblito Paisa replica, tourist chics.

Hotels there is bunch but I would park my ass at La fogata just because it is on the Guatape Malecon has restaraunt, disco.

BayBoy
07-23-11, 17:17
The macho thing to do in Guatape is to climb to the top of Penol, all 644 concrete steps. Its a big tall granite rock just outside of town. I've done it a few times. Also, there's a couple of snack-souvenir shops on the top. You can take a bus from Caribe bus station, its a 1 1/2 hr ride.

AirJunky
07-24-11, 00:36
I don't know about macho but I know fun and for me it's getting with a couple buds like Bob and loading Richards House Boat up with booze and Chica's for a lake cruise and late nighters in the Jacuzzi. I normally mix in some water skiing as well. Not sure if this link will get deleted but you can google El Penol Lake Tours or pm me for info.

http://www.fincasagroturisticas.com/oferta/elpenol/reyneptuno/

http://ski-colombia.com/

Hasideas Tao
07-24-11, 18:45
Is a keeper someone you want to marry? For me that would also mean I were planning to live in Colombia. No more casas? Quite an conundrum.


Well, if you've got a keeper, then of course that's when you "HOLD them (her)".

I've got a couple keepers myself, out of many candidates over the years, however, I keep them in their native countries, the USA just seems to spoil and change things with these girls, seen it many times with convinced friends who later got burned.

Always plenty of other nice ass out there that is also so fine, I find new ones all the time haha, don't we all?

A nice ass alone will not make me that silly, as to bring one to the homeland, I got to be able to "walk away or run" when needed. .

The best of energy to all!

Legal Tender
07-25-11, 01:32
Is a keeper someone you want to marry? For me that would also mean I were planning to live in Colombia. No more casas? Quite an conundrum.I don't think Ricker thinks a "keeper" equals spouse. I hope he writes something because your question was about his writing. I think anyone's approach to these situations is heuristic by definition. In my world, a "keeper" is a girl that you choose to love. It's a verb, so it means to want to do what you choose to do to make her life better. My "keeper" is a serious student of politics and can't wait to get back to Colombia to change the system. I figure that if that's her dream, an education from an excellent university in the United States will only help her. She now knows English grammar better than I do. And, I'm getting great pleasure in seeing her grow into and educated, articulate and successful young woman. I get a real kick out of her typical Paisa fieriness which is especially observable when she talks about the discussions in her political science classes. She can't understand why these educated fellow students do not embrace her Marx's ideology. Her typical Paisa fieriness is especially displayed during sex, too. Everything is ephemeral. But, during the meantime, I'm usually happy with my commitment: to provide an education for her. I guess I get GFE experiences because I have a GF? Just say'in.

Marriage? It's not necessary, but it's ephemeral, too. At best it lasts until one partner dies. It is a commitment in which risk can be minimized. A good prenuptial agreement and the risk is only psychological. The "marriage" agreement is illusory. It last until one of the partners decides they don't want to be married anymore. There is no consequence to the party that breaches the agreement. So much for "no fault" divorce, but that's another subject.

No more casas? I could never make that part of the deal. Just couldn't do it. Sex with a sex worker can be great, but it's not like sex with someone who shares your life. My understanding of the Colombian culture is that most women will tolerate non-monogamy unless your activities bring her some kind of humiliation. Just don't be blatant about what you do when you're not with her.

Only good energy!

Mr Enternational
07-25-11, 02:38
Is a keeper someone you want to marry? For me that would also mean I were planning to live in Colombia. No more casas? Quite an conundrum.It may well mean that http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keeper But in this case I don't think he is saying exactly that. He just means someone who he would keep around in his portfolio and not be as quick to shake off or get rid of as others.

Ricker
07-25-11, 03:47
Is a keeper someone you want to marry? For me that would also mean I were planning to live in Colombia. No more casas? Quite an conundrum.
I don't think Ricker thinks a "keeper" equals spouse. I hope he writes something because your question was about his writing. I think anyone's approach to these situations is heuristic by definition. In my world, a "keeper" is a girl that you choose to love .It's simple, a "keeper" is someone special you like / love and want to keep around.

Marriage; been there, done that, not for me.

Also, I agree with Legal T, that just because I'm with a keeper, does not mean I will give up on some discrete PFP fun too.

You just seperate the two worlds.

One is "love" making, the other is "funzies"

Good energy here, como siempre ...

Optic Guard
07-25-11, 18:09
I was thinking of going to Bucaramanga. And I looked on the internet and there was not a lot.

I am not looking young girls but around 30 to 50 and one have there or live there now. I

Need info on apartments and other thing my spanish is good so that will help.

Thanks Tom

MiamiHeatLuver
07-25-11, 19:30
I'm sure you'll have no problem. Do you like them fat too?

ReefWhy not 20-60? Why discriminate? This age range will open a whole another array of prospective candidates!

Joey Smith
07-25-11, 23:17
Just curious guys. But has anyone been able to find a decent priced ticket to Medellin from the US lately. I see now the airlines have raised their prices in regard to the tax issue. I tried all different combinations. Flying thru CTG, Panama City, Bogota, Curacao etc. But no luck.

Anyone find a decent ticket under $400?

Hioctane
07-26-11, 07:14
Just curious guys. But has anyone been able to find a decent priced ticket to Medellin from the US lately. I see now the airlines have raised their prices in regard to the tax issue. I tried all different combinations. Flying thru CTG, Panama City, Bogota, Curacao etc. But no luck.

Anyone find a decent ticket under $400?Flights are insanely expensive now! Airlines are cutting routes. Less competition just makes things worse. I got a flight from Spirit back in March from LGA for 220. Now it's 550+! Insane!

Member #4643
07-26-11, 13:53
I have posted this question elsewhere, but the Colombia board is one of the busiest, and I do not want this to be missed by people with extensive world wide experience.

I am trying to decide where I should spend a week of mongering this fall. I like to have sex with non (or "semi") pros. Of course, non pros require time and effort, so I like to mix them in with pros, making a perfect vacation that typically leaves me exhausted and happy at the end.

There are places where meeting non pros is easy: the DR, for example. I have lots of experience there, and a non-pro can usually be found within a day or two of arrival (on my last trip, I arrived in Sto Domingo at 3 pm, fucked a part-time pro that I picked up at the beach in Boca Chica at 5 pm, picked up my girl whom I had met on Tagged at 7 pm, and fucked her by 8 pm; I picked up a total non pro in a bar two nights later. In between the two non pros, I fucked by novia twice and 4 more girls were P4P. 8 girls in 3 days with 14 sexual encounters. Good exercise at my age!). I do OK with non-pros in Brazil as well (I even have two non pros I see in Rio, which is NOT easy for pickups). But, after countless trips to the DR and Brazil, I am ready for something new.

I read on this board that Indonesia is great, and Jakarta is now at the top of my list followed by Manila. But, before I actually pay for the air, I am curious if anyone knows of any place where non pro action is even easier. Peru? Ukraine? Love tours in Medellin? Macau? Prague?

Where is the easiest place in the world to find and conquer non-pros?

Trust me, I have read the f-ing board, and I am very open to suggestions.

John Gault
07-26-11, 17:32
Just curious guys. But has anyone been able to find a decent priced ticket to Medellin from the US lately. I see now the airlines have raised their prices in regard to the tax issue. I tried all different combinations. Flying thru CTG, Panama City, Bogota, Curacao etc. But no luck.

Anyone find a decent ticket under $400?After Labor day prices may drop, but until Aries airlines gets back on the scene than these robber airlines will have their way with us.

$99 a barrel oil is not helping things either.

One solultion would be to ban all Missonarys from Latin America. They take up a lot of seats to fill these planes up.

95 % are frauds anyway as when Hati had their big earthquake a while back they were the first ones on the plane out of the Country.

I just was in a very expensive all inclusive resort, and it was loaded with these people. Not many poor people to help in that area, but looks good later in church when you share on how many people you helped.

When you get ready to take issue with this post, don't forget I said 95%, not all of them.

MiamiHeatLuver
07-26-11, 18:46
After Labor day prices may drop, but until Aries airlines gets back on the scene than these robber airlines will have their way with us.

$99 a barrel oil is not helping things either.

One solultion would be to ban all Missonarys from Latin America. They take up a lot of seats to fill these planes up.

95 % are frauds anyway as when Hati had their big earthquake a while back they were the first ones on the plane out of the Country.

I just was in a very expensive all inclusive resort, and it was loaded with these people. Not many poor people to help in that area, but looks good later in church when you share on how many people you helped.

When you get ready to take issue with this post, don't forget I said 95, not all of them.$680 on Avianca was the cheapest I could find to MDE and I'm traveling AFTER the feria. AA was like $900. WTF?

Hasideas Tao
07-26-11, 20:46
Really? Is this some kind of unspoken code? I dated a girl from Bogota in NY believing in this code and it turned out she was really not cool with it, even when she went back to Colombia for months at a time. So, if you have a "keeper" do you think there's a good chance she will tolerate you messing with other women so long as you keep it discrete? Is it equally ok and likely for her to turn a few tricks or even have other romantic relationships? I have met a few p4p chicas who said their boyfriends knew nothing about their prepago persona. Some with whom I was even friendly enough to become facebook friends. They have all said their boyfriends know nothing about what they do on the side. Here in NY I have some buddies who kinda go by a similar code of what they don't know won't hurt them. I understand it. I've been there. Hopefully I don't end up in that position again. I am not judging, but to me, that's not tolerance, it's ignorance. I have a friend with a very cool American wife. And he said, it's all about HOW you say it. Never defensive or excited. And also you got to be upfront and honest about your desires from the very start. Always seems like good advice when I think about it, but for me, implementing it is always tricky since I've never had any long term success at it.

Quote by L. T.

My understanding of the Colombian culture is that most women will tolerate non-monogamy unless your activities bring her some kind of humiliation. Just don't be blatant about what you do when you're not with her.

Joey Smith
07-26-11, 23:50
After Labor day prices may drop, but until Aries airlines gets back on the scene than these robber airlines will have their way with us.

$99 a barrel oil is not helping things either.

One solultion would be to ban all Missonarys from Latin America. They take up a lot of seats to fill these planes up.

95 % are frauds anyway as when Hati had their big earthquake a while back they were the first ones on the plane out of the Country.

I just was in a very expensive all inclusive resort, and it was loaded with these people. Not many poor people to help in that area, but looks good later in church when you share on how many people you helped.

When you get ready to take issue with this post, don't forget I said 95, not all of them.Your right about AIRES. Flew them twice last year out of FLL into Medellin. Worth every penny.

I keep checking their upcoming schedule to see if they'll bring back service from FLL into Cartagena and Medellin. No mention yet.

Hioctane
07-27-11, 06:17
Really? Is this some kind of unspoken code? I dated a girl from Bogota in NY believing in this code and it turned out she was really not cool with it, even when she went back to Colombia for months at a time. So, if you have a "keeper" do you think there's a good chance she will tolerate you messing with other women so long as you keep it discrete? Is it equally ok and likely for her to turn a few tricks or even have other romantic relationships? I have met a few p4p chicas who said their boyfriends knew nothing about their prepago persona. Some with whom I was even friendly enough to become facebook friends. They have all said their boyfriends know nothing about what they do on the side. Here in NY I have some buddies who kinda go by a similar code of what they don't know won't hurt them. I understand it. I've been there. Hopefully I don't end up in that position again. I am not judging, but to me, that's not tolerance, it's ignorance. I have a friend with a very cool American wife. And he said, it's all about HOW you say it. Never defensive or excited. And also you got to be upfront and honest about your desires from the very start. Always seems like good advice when I think about it, but for me, implementing it is always tricky since I've never had any long term success at it.

Quote by L. T.

My understanding of the Colombian culture is that most women will tolerate non-monogamy unless your activities bring her some kind of humiliation. Just don't be blatant about what you do when you're not with her.IMO, girls don't tolerate cheating. Not even Colombian girls. What you want is a girl that is cool with an open relationship, better yet a fwb type of deal. If the girl does not know, there will always be trouble.

Also, I just want to say."keeper" in monger terms is much different from your normal definition. A "monger keeper" is someone that you keep in your rolodex, that you will see again and again and (normally it's fuck them and on to the next). It DOES NOT mean you will be monogamous with them.

Gary Groundwork
07-27-11, 11:19
I have posted this question elsewhere, but the Colombia board is one of the busiest, and I do not want this to be missed by people with extensive world wide experience.

I am trying to decide where I should spend a week of mongering this fall. I like to have sex with non (or "semi") pros. Of course, non pros require time and effort, so I like to mix them in with pros, making a perfect vacation that typically leaves me exhausted and happy at the end.

There are places where meeting non pros is easy: the DR, for example. I have lots of experience there, and a non-pro can usually be found within a day or two of arrival (on my last trip, I arrived in Sto Domingo at 3 pm, fucked a part-time pro that I picked up at the beach in Boca Chica at 5 pm, picked up my girl whom I had met on Tagged at 7 pm, and fucked her by 8 pm; I picked up a total non pro in a bar two nights later. In between the two non pros, I fucked by novia twice and 4 more girls were P4P. 8 girls in 3 days with 14 sexual encounters. Good exercise at my age!). I do OK with non-pros in Brazil as well (I even have two non pros I see in Rio, which is NOT easy for pickups). But, after countless trips to the DR and Brazil, I am ready for something new.

I read on this board that Indonesia is great, and Jakarta is now at the top of my list followed by Manila. But, before I actually pay for the air, I am curious if anyone knows of any place where non pro action is even easier. Peru? Ukraine? Love tours in Medellin? Macau? Prague?

Where is the easiest place in the world to find and conquer non-pros?

Trust me, I have read the f-ing board, and I am very open to suggestions.Easiest places for non pros-Peru and ecuador. Nothing has come close for me.

I have heard brazil aswell particularly certain areas and phillipines although never been there.

Grandnash84
07-28-11, 17:53
I was planning a trip to Colombia just for mongering. I am having trouble deciding what city to go to. I am leaning towards going to medallin. I am intrested in going to one city only. Which city has the prettiest gdp's? Which city is the safest and easiest to monger in. I'm attracted to darker skin ladies with big chest and tata's. Any info is appreciated.

MiamiHeatLuver
07-28-11, 18:41
I was planning a trip to Colombia just for mongering. I am having trouble deciding what city to go to. I am leaning towards going to medallin. I am intrested in going to one city only. Which city has the prettiest gdp's? Which city is the safest and easiest to monger in. I'm attracted to darker skin ladies with big chest and tata's. Any info is appreciated.Safest? Darker Skin, Tourist Oriented, Easiest? All P4P, Hit the Coast, Cartagena and LDV and Electra when it opens again. If you want to go to Medellin, definitely hit the gringo compound (mansion) No ocean in MDE though. p.s. of you are looking for Garota sex? I have heard that Colombia cannot even come close to competing with BRAZIL and ANAL is not a given.

Artisttyp
07-28-11, 18:48
I was planning a trip to Colombia just for mongering. I am having trouble deciding what city to go to. I am leaning towards going to medallin. I am intrested in going to one city only. Which city has the prettiest gdp's? Which city is the safest and easiest to monger in. I'm attracted to darker skin ladies with big chest and tata's. Any info is appreciated.You should consider the DR.

Hioctane
07-29-11, 04:08
I was planning a trip to Colombia just for mongering. I am having trouble deciding what city to go to. I am leaning towards going to medallin. I am intrested in going to one city only. Which city has the prettiest gdp's? Which city is the safest and easiest to monger in. I'm attracted to darker skin ladies with big chest and tata's. Any info is appreciated.Medellin chicas are more on the lighter side. You'll want to go to the coasts. In Colombia you'd want to check out Cartagena or Cali. However, all of Colombia you need some Spanish (or a guide). Sosua in DR is probably your best bet. Some chicas speak English.

Bango Cheito
07-29-11, 07:59
IMO, girls don't tolerate cheating. Not even Colombian girls. What you want is a girl that is cool with an open relationship, better yet a fwb type of deal. If the girl does not know, there will always be trouble.

Also, I just want to say."keeper" in monger terms is much different from your normal definition. A "monger keeper" is someone that you keep in your rolodex, that you will see again and again and (normally it's fuck them and on to the next). It DOES NOT mean you will be monogamous with them.Most girls if you tell them you want an open relationship they will balk. If you tell them you love them and want to be with only them and then fuck around on them they won't care NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. Girls say a lot of shit they don't mean because of what it's like socially to be a female in this culture. As a matter of fact in Latin America you can get away with almost anything as long as you do it discreetly. Then again, I guess that applies to anywhere.

I stayed single for 2 years after splitting up with my ex because we had an open relationship and I wanted another one and wasn't willing to settle for anything less. The way I see it, why even bother having a gf if you're just going to lie to her. And I finally found one incredible woman who has the balls to really live an open relationship properly.

A FWB (amigovio or amigo con derechos) agreement with a girl is an entirely different proposition being much more casual in nature. Most Colombian women will be willing to define a relationship as such with you, but be aware you're going to be very low on the totem pole, ESPECIALLY if she has kids and / or a demanding job. If a woman in Colombia accepts this arrangement, you will see her when SHE has the time on HER terms. Generally after a while she gets serious with some other guy and cuts off your services, OR maybe she starts pressuring you to formalize the relationship and be her bf for real. Or you just don't have time to get it together between the two schedules and you become FWB in THEORY only. This is also incredibly hard to pull off without being able to relate to her deeply on a personal and cultural level, which means a DEEP understanding of the Spanish language as spoken in Colombia, of Colombian culture and history etc.

I've lived in Colombia for 3 years and have passed though about 10 or 12 of those FWB situations, with varying degrees of success. However with ALL of them the sex has been highly sporadic. If you want regular sex in Colombia you need to either get a proper gf or pay for it IMO.

I'd say Colombia is not a good choice for easy take-downs of non-pros. For one as I've posted previously a LOT LOT LOT LOT of these women are prepagos on the side and NOBODY knows about it. Colombianas are EXCELLENT at hiding things from the world. For another IMO Colombian women are simply NOT easy conquests. Colombian women are trained from childhood to make men jump through a series of flaming hoops before they give up the poon. Your typical sex and intimacy-starved gringo lands in a place like Colombia and he is A SHEEP AMONG WOLVES.

I must repeat again, if you're not from Colombia, if you're coming for sex and you don't know the language and culture intimately STICK WITH p4p! P4p in Colombia is pretty much ubiquitous can be VERY easy on the wallet and is fairly safe and regulated. Take advantage of this!

Latin Lover77
07-30-11, 04:26
Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days. I do have some concerns though. 1. My spanish sucks. 2. I am not familiar with Barranquilla and the localities. If someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? Will anybody at the airports / hotels speak ANY English? My flight will be from Washington DC in the US to Panama for a short layover and then straight to Barranquilla. Prices range between $500-$600 American for roundtrip. Anybody know of a better deal? Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.

Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?

Lmarcone
07-30-11, 05:35
I'll just address your comunication issue. Go to Orbitel. Com and get a "linea directa"- whoch is a local Colombiab phone # for people tp call you to. Choose (in your case a Barranquilla area z.

Code) and then nominate what phone # the calls get routed to (your cell phone, for example). Also they give you 4 #'s by which to call them and make long-distance calls from- at a good rate.


Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days. I do have some concerns though. 1. My spanish sucks. 2. I am not familiar with Barranquilla and the localities. If someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? Will anybody at the airports / hotels speak ANY English? My flight will be from Washington DC in the US to Panama for a short layover and then straight to Barranquilla. Prices range between $500-$600 American for roundtrip. Anybody know of a better deal? Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.

Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?

SlamCity7777
07-30-11, 12:54
there does not seem to be much info re guatapé. can someone recommend some hotels, and activities? thanks.

chesrep001i saw several posts after mr. cat posted this. how about finca rentals or nice hotels with jaccuzzis in the room? any tips?

Manizales911
07-30-11, 13:57
Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days. I do have some concerns though. 1. My spanish sucks. 2. I am not familiar with Barranquilla and the localities. If someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? Will anybody at the airports / hotels speak ANY English? My flight will be from Washington DC in the US to Panama for a short layover and then straight to Barranquilla. Prices range between $500-$600 American for roundtrip. Anybody know of a better deal? Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.

Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?Okay, first of all she hasn't asked you for money because she hasn't met you yet. The girls that really know how to play this game will always wait until after you have met them and they give you something (sex) to draw you in. I will bet a months pay that within 30 days of your return to the states after meeting her and her giving you the best sex you have ever had that she will hit you up for something.

If you buy her an international phone card she can go to an internet cafe and most of them have phones that she can pay a few pesos to use. Better yet, ask her for her suggestion, if she gives you a quick answer it means she has played this game before and you are being used.

I hope you have found a "good" girl but be VERY careful amigo. 95% of the time I hear stories like this it doesn't end well, I have been there myself but it was a long time ago and I smartened up.

Gary Groundwork
07-30-11, 14:05
Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days. I do have some concerns though. 1. My spanish sucks. 2. I am not familiar with Barranquilla and the localities. If someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? Will anybody at the airports / hotels speak ANY English? My flight will be from Washington DC in the US to Panama for a short layover and then straight to Barranquilla. Prices range between $500-$600 American for roundtrip. Anybody know of a better deal? Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.

Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?You have met her on the internet and you have hit it off.

She hasn't asked for anything. You haven't met up with her yet.

Baranquia is fine during the day. Walking around on your own at night you are a target. Just stick tot he right areas.

Someone in the airport will speak english.

If I was flying to another country for a women I would organise a few more to make the most of my time. Because she is.

Hioctane
07-30-11, 16:19
Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days. I do have some concerns though. 1. My spanish sucks. 2. I am not familiar with Barranquilla and the localities. If someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? Will anybody at the airports / hotels speak ANY English? My flight will be from Washington DC in the US to Panama for a short layover and then straight to Barranquilla. Prices range between $500-$600 American for roundtrip. Anybody know of a better deal? Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.

Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?$600 for 3 days seem hardly worth it. At least a week for those prices.

BTW, women like these are a dime a dozen. I fall in love every day. LOL. The only women that ask you for money are usually P4P. My advice. Talk to some more chicas. Don't fall in love so easily!

John Gault
07-30-11, 17:23
Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days. I do have some concerns though. 1. My spanish sucks. 2. I am not familiar with Barranquilla and the localities. If someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? Will anybody at the airports / hotels speak ANY English? My flight will be from Washington DC in the US to Panama for a short layover and then straight to Barranquilla. Prices range between $500-$600 American for roundtrip. Anybody know of a better deal? Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.

Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?I see no reason for you to worry to much about being flamed for your post.

I'll try to answer a few of your questions.

This is a great hotel in a very safe area.

http://www.elhotelcontinental.com/.

No good hotels that I know of near the airport. 15 minute ride to my hotel.

Your Spanish sucks you say. How are you talking to her? If she speaks English then it does not matter.

3 days? To short a visit for all the time and money you will spend travling.

Not familiar with Barranquilla? She will be your guide so don't worry about that at all.

You say { my spanish sucks. } Well you have to Nov. 14 th to bone up a little.

As far as { Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? } Get out and look around. Day time is pretty safe in the better areas of BAQ. For me to stay the whole time in my room you would have to put a gun to my head.

My most important piece of advice. In case she does not pan out then read the board for P4P options. Write the locations down, and give them to a taxi driver. Keep a card from your hotel to give the driver for when you want to go back to the hotel.

So to sum it up. Stay for at least a week, and bone up on your Spanish.

Good luck.

Ezyngo
07-30-11, 19:29
For months . 1. My spanish sucks.I think you're just being too humble. I would assume you also met a whole slew of other women online, and it's safe to assume again, that about 80% of these women do not know English beyond the healthy expression 'Hello, How are you? '. Give me a benefit of a doubt and also from my own experience, but your Spanish, IMHO, is good enough at the airport so you do not worry about that. I hope that she would be able to go the airport to greet you and the two of you have a nice taxi ride to the hotel. This reminds me of the first taxi ride I had with the first Colombian woman I met online many moons ago in MDE. We started kissing the minute we were inside the taxi at the airport all the way to the hotel. And you all guess right what happened after check-in. LOL.


Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?I have never registered with them. I know I should. They advice that we all should, maybe for the first time in Colombia. After a few trips and when you become familiar with the land, it is your call, IMHO.


Should I basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl?Do you have a contingency plan in case you are not with this girl? I usually have a list of names and phone numbers of other women in case the original plan blows. I am still troubled with your ' 3 days ' stay though. DC is as far from Colombia as Los Angeles where I live. I usually stay for a week in Colombia with or without mi novias when I already spend that much on the airline tickets. You can not do much on a short trip. LOL.

Hope you will enjoy Colombia like I always have, especially in Medellin. It rockssssssssss. I always want to go there whenever I get the chance, and most importantly, to get away from the GRRRRRRRRiiiiiiiNNNNNNgggggggaaaaaaaaassssss.

Good days gents.

EZ

Hioctane
07-30-11, 23:26
Most girls if you tell them you want an open relationship they will balk. If you tell them you love them and want to be with only them and then fuck around on them they won't care NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. Girls say a lot of shit they don't mean because of what it's like socially to be a female in this culture. As a matter of fact in Latin America you can get away with almost anything as long as you do it discreetly. Then again, I guess that applies to anywhere.

I stayed single for 2 years after splitting up with my ex because we had an open relationship and I wanted another one and wasn't willing to settle for anything less. The way I see it, why even bother having a gf if you're just going to lie to her. And I finally found one incredible woman who has the balls to really live an open relationship properly.

A FWB (amigovio or amigo con derechos) agreement with a girl is an entirely different proposition being much more casual in nature. Most Colombian women will be willing to define a relationship as such with you, but be aware you're going to be very low on the totem pole, ESPECIALLY if she has kids and / or a demanding job. If a woman in Colombia accepts this arrangement, you will see her when SHE has the time on HER terms. Generally after a while she gets serious with some other guy and cuts off your services, OR maybe she starts pressuring you to formalize the relationship and be her bf for real. Or you just don't have time to get it together between the two schedules and you become FWB in THEORY only. This is also incredibly hard to pull off without being able to relate to her deeply on a personal and cultural level, which means a DEEP understanding of the Spanish language as spoken in Colombia, of Colombian culture and history etc.

I've lived in Colombia for 3 years and have passed though about 10 or 12 of those FWB situations, with varying degrees of success. However with ALL of them the sex has been highly sporadic. If you want regular sex in Colombia you need to either get a proper gf or pay for it IMO.

I'd say Colombia is not a good choice for easy take-downs of non-pros. For one as I've posted previously a LOT LOT LOT LOT of these women are prepagos on the side and NOBODY knows about it. Colombianas are EXCELLENT at hiding things from the world. For another IMO Colombian women are simply NOT easy conquests. Colombian women are trained from childhood to make men jump through a series of flaming hoops before they give up the poon. Your typical sex and intimacy-starved gringo lands in a place like Colombia and he is A SHEEP AMONG WOLVES.

I must repeat again, if you're not from Colombia, if you're coming for sex and you don't know the language and culture intimately STICK WITH p4p! P4p in Colombia is pretty much ubiquitous can be VERY easy on the wallet and is fairly safe and regulated. Take advantage of this!Of course don't come out and say you want an open relationship in the beginning. Say you want to take things slow and you just want to be "friends" for now. It's easier if you don't live there. Use that as an excuse. IMO, saying you love someone and fuck around on them is just being scum. Here and abroad! No girl wants that. Saying that they tolerate is is bullshit! My friend who's married and mongers on the side uses the same rationalization.

That's why you need many FWBs at once. And if they all busy or no sex you have p4p to fall back on.

I'm not sure what you mean by Colombianas not being easy conquests. If you can fuck her within 3 dates, I think that's easy. No? It's not like the US where it can take months.

I agree with sticking with p4p in the beginning. Let it evolve. You don't want to fall for their charm so fast and get suckered into marriage or whatnot!

World Travel 69
07-31-11, 07:33
Judging by your posts, all of you have not traveled much.

Two or three countries at most.

So Sad. How are helping the not so fortunate?

How can you offer good advice to them?

Ricker
07-31-11, 13:24
Judging by your posts, all of you have not traveled much.

Two or three countries at most.

So Sad. How are helping the not so fortunate?

How can you offer good advice to them?Yeah, but that was just last month, I promise I'll get to more countries next month. Hehehe.

Ezyngo
07-31-11, 21:07
Judging by your posts, all of you have not traveled much.

Two or three countries at most.

So Sad. How are helping the not so fortunate?

How can you offer good advice to them?With all due respect Sir, I must disagree with you. You have to realize that this thread is specifically for Colombia. There are many, many, many experienced, long-time, dedicated gentlemen who have either lived or traveled here for a long time over the years. They have accumulated a 'world' of information, past and current about Colombia, and I, for one, can not say 'thanks' enough to them, and have learned so much from reading their reports. Even though (as your handle indicates) you have gone to many places and countries in the world, and maybe even 'boldly goes when no man has gone before' (love that line from 'Star Trek'. LOL) , I doubt it you have more experiences, information, tips, the dos and the donts about Colombia than the likes of John Gault, Frank Casio, Aussie Greg, and a whole slew of others. Just my two cents and never meant to discredit anyone.

Good days gents.

EZ

Legal Tender
07-31-11, 21:10
Of course don't come out and say you want an open relationship in the beginning. Say you want to take things slow and you just want to be "friends" for now. It's easier if you don't live there. Use that as an excuse. IMO, saying you love someone and fuck around on them is just being scum. Here and abroad! No girl wants that. Saying that they tolerate is is bullshit! My friend who's married and mongers on the side uses the same rationalization.

That's why you need many FWBs at once. And if they all busy or no sex you have p4p to fall back on.

I'm not sure what you mean by Colombianas not being easy conquests. If you can fuck her within 3 dates, I think that's easy. No? It's not like the US where it can take months.

I agree with sticking with p4p in the beginning. Let it evolve. You don't want to fall for their charm so fast and get suckered into marriage or whatnot!With all due respect, I think that you are confusing commitment with love. Saying that you love someone, and having sex with another is not being a "scum" but just an acknowledgment that there is no commitment. Folks, you can certainly love someone, but still enjoy sex with another girl. This whole notion of monogamy based on any relationship short of marriage is really foreign to me. Sex is not love, and love is not sex. Having written that, nothing is better than great sex with a girl that you love.

And, if it takes anyone months, anywhere, to get into an intimate sexual relationship, I say ditch the *****. That kind of behavior is just negoiating sexual pleasure for promises of happy ever after. Everything is ephemeral. The real problem comes with, as Bango alluded to, that men come to Colombia both starved for sex and for intimacy. You won't find intimacy with the prepagos. And you won't find intimacy without some kind of interest and care for the girl with whom you want to have an intimate relationship. Want sex? It's easier to find in Colombia than a diet coke. Want intimacy? Then you are going to have to give some love. Love is a verb. Simply doing whatever you can and whatever you want to make her life better. We all know by instinct that if you give, you get, or you move on. It's not rocket science.

Yes, again as Bango wrote, in South America, especially, women will tolerate sexual excisions as long as you don't "rub it in their face." What all women want, unless they are fucking nuts, is security and protection. It's biology. It's worldwide. It's the human condition.

Finally, the whole notion of someone getting "played" or "suckered" is foreign to me. I don't do anything that I don't want to do. Now, sometimes I find myself in the position of realizing that I said that I would do something that I wished that I hadn't said, but I do what I say I'm going to do. Take responsibility for your decisions. If anyone perceives himself as being sucked or played, then he is simply failing to accept responsibility for his decisions.

I didn't think anyone could disagree with what Bango wrote. It was right on and obviously the product of years of experience with Colombian women, Colombian history, and society.

Hioctane, I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I respectfully think you're missing the boat.

Only good energy!

Brother P
07-31-11, 21:30
Very well articulated! After a few trips of getting all the sex I needed, I realized I needed something more, intimacy! However, like you said, you aint going to find it with the prepagos! This is where I started meeting girls on CC, and Latin Cupid, trying to screen them so as not to "get played". But as you stated, I can't get played, I can only make good ar bad decisions. Man up and own your decisions! Church! LOL!


With all due respect, I think that you are confusing commitment with love. Saying that you love someone, and having sex with another is not being a "scum" but just an acknowledgment that there is no commitment. Folks, you can certainly love someone, but still enjoy sex with another girl. This whole notion of monogamy based on any relationship short of marriage is really foreign to me. Sex is not love, and love is not sex. Having written that, nothing is better than great sex with a girl that you love.

And, if it takes anyone months, anywhere, to get into an intimate sexual relationship, I say ditch the. That kind of behavior is just negoiating sexual pleasure for promises of happy ever after. Everything is ephemeral. The real problem comes with, as Bango alluded to, that men come to Colombia both starved for sex and for intimacy. You won't find intimacy with the prepagos. And you won't find intimacy without some kind of interest and care for the girl with whom you want to have an intimate relationship. Want sex? It's easier to find in Colombia than a diet coke. Want intimacy? Then you are going to have to give some love. Love is a verb. Simply doing whatever you can and whatever you want to make her life better. We all know by instinct that if you give, you get, or you move on. It's not rocket science.

Yes, again as Bango wrote, in South America, especially, women will tolerate sexual excisions as long as you don't "rub it in their face." What all women want, unless they are fucking nuts, is security and protection. It's biology. It's worldwide. It's the human condition.

Finally, the whole notion of someone getting "played" or "suckered" is foreign to me. I don't do anything that I don't want to do. Now, sometimes I find myself in the position of realizing that I said that I would do something that I wished that I hadn't said, but I do what I say I'm going to do. Take responsibility for your decisions. If anyone perceives himself as being sucked or played, then he is simply failing to accept responsibility for his decisions.

I didn't think anyone could disagree with what Bango wrote. It was right on and obviously the product of years of experience with Colombian women, Colombian history, and society.

Hioctane, I appreciate and respect your point of view, but I respectfully think you're missing the boat.

Only good energy!

Mr Enternational
08-01-11, 06:53
Don't flame me for this. I've read some of the general reviews on Colombian women and especially those in Barranquilla. I met a girl online that lives in Barranquilla and we've hit it off. She has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. For months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. She does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. I am looking at November 14th for 3 days.Do not put all of your eggs in one basket. Do not go out of your way for one chick who may or may not show. If you do this I guarantee you will spend most of your time alone. NEWSFLASH: There isn't shit to do in Barranquilla. You said she didn't even have a cell phone. I don't know of any Colombiana who does not have a phone. But if this is truly the case then it is safe to assume she lives with family. If she lives with family the chances are slim that she will be able to stay with you. She will have to be home by a certain time. Say 10pm. And she will show up to see you about 1pm. So you will spend 9 hours a day with her. You will be alone the other 13.

What I am suggesting is that you instead buy a ticket to Medellin. Now I have never been to that city but we all know it is the place to go for foreigners who want to have fun. You tell your girl you will buy her a bus ticket from Barranquilla to Medellin* This will solve 2 problems. 1. She will be forced to stay with you the whole time. 2. If by chance she doesn't show up you can still have all the fun you want with working girls.

*I live in the south of Thailand. Last week I asked a girl of mine who lives in the north when she was coming to visit. She said she would come when I bought her a ticket. I'm a quick thinker. I said okay. I will go buy you a bus ticket tomorrow. She said no it has to be a plane ticket. I'm not riding the bus. Can you believe it? A beggar trying to be a chooser. Biotch when you get some money that is when you can decide what type of ticket you are getting.


Lastly, I want to send a cell phone to her before I get there. Again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but I told her that I wanted to send it to her so we can talk. Unless someone on here thinks I should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area I live. Would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in Barranquilla.You are trying to create a problem where there isn't one. She can go to an internet cafe and you both can use Skype or an instant messenger program that has video and voice.


Is there anything I should know before I travel besides registering my trip with the US consulate and to basically have fun?As Reef said, do you really think they give a damn? Hell, didn't even know it could be done. And what are the effects of doing it? You are a grown man and shouldn't need a babysitter.

Let me also add that I have been in your shoes before. My first time to Colombia was because I had met a girl on a website. She was a lawyer from Cucuta. I didn't speak any Spanish and she didn't speak any English. But I did speak Portuguese so that made it easier. I bought a translator from Target (which was not worth a damn so I ended up taking it back) and a pocket dictionary. She rode the bus 14 hours to Bogota, leaving the night before my flight. We spent 3 good days together. We went to the Cathedral of Salt and all that shit. The night before I was to go back home she was hinting at me buying her a plane ticket to go home but I kept blowing it off acting like I didn't understand. The next morning when I was leaving she started asking about the ticket again and jumping up and down pulling on my arm as I was leaving out the door. If I would have known then what I know now I would have bought it. It was probably no more than $70 but I didn't know that at the time. I told her I didn't have any money. She said but you have credit cards. LOL. I told her there was one flight out of Colombia per day to where I was going and I wasn't about to miss it dealing with her. Then I walked out. She only spoke to me once after that and that was to tell me off. Since then I have learned to build better relationships with Colombianas. After being to more than 100 countries, to me Colombianas are the best women all-around on the planet.

Now I have to get back to my $30 TLN who has already been here 12 hours! Amazing Thailand.

Hioctane
08-01-11, 07:39
With all due respect, I think that you are confusing commitment with love. Saying that you love someone, and having sex with another is not being a "scum" but just an acknowledgment that there is no commitment. Folks, you can certainly love someone, but still enjoy sex with another girl. This whole notion of monogamy based on any relationship short of marriage is really foreign to me. Sex is not love, and love is not sex. Having written that, nothing is better than great sex with a girl that you love.I think you misunderstood what I said."Saying you love someone". Aka "leading her on" to get her in the sack (meanwhile you are fucking every girl under the sun) is a scumbag move. This leads to the argument of always paying. P4p. So there is no pretense as to the type of relationship you have. However, p4p lacks the intimacy that some crave. All I'm saying is "DON'T BE A SCUMBAG!" Don't use commitment as a weapon to get sex.

TuDueno
08-01-11, 11:15
don't flame me for this. i've read some of the general reviews on colombian women and especially those in barranquilla. i met a girl online that lives in barranquilla and we've hit it off. she has not once asked for money which is great because that is my first sign to split from further talking. for months now she never asked for money, gifts, talked about a sick child / family member, or hinted to me that she wants anything monetary from me. she does however want me to plan a short trip to spend a few days with her. i am looking at november 14th for 3 days. i do have some concerns though. 1. my spanish sucks. 2. i am not familiar with barranquilla and the localities. if someone is familiar with the place shoot me a pm with what hotels are clean and secure near the airport. should i basically stay glued to my hotel or venture out on my own during daylight hours with or without my girl? will anybody at the airports / hotels speak any english? my flight will be from washington dc in the us to panama for a short layover and then straight to barranquilla. prices range between $500-$600 american for roundtrip. anybody know of a better deal? lastly, i want to send a cell phone to her before i get there. again, she didn't ask for one or hint that she needed one but i told her that i wanted to send it to her so we can talk. unless someone on here thinks i should just buy a international calling card (prepaid) which was have many in the area i live. would she be able to use the calling card on a pay phone or is there no payphone in barranquilla.

is there anything i should know before i travel besides registering my trip with the us consulate and to basically have fun?board members did already give you valid information. if your spanish "sucks" i wonder how you communiate with her. now some more info for you: barranquilla airport is not in a nice neighbourhood, just the opposite malambo can be considered as a quite dangerous place apart from it is an ugly place. so no hotel in that area that in adition is far from the center (taxi ride about 16 k cop). for a 3 day stay the hotel recommended is ok, for a longer stay i would recommend an appartment which gives more privacy. in any case stay in the better neighbourhoods in the north of the city. indeed your girl should be able to pick you up at the airport upon arrival. this is the normal and all my colombian friends do it. she may even await you with some family members. she has no cellphone. as mentioned by others quite strange becaus almost all colombianas even from the poorest urban families do have one. do not send one from the us. if you like and in order to speed up future communication you can buy her one in colombia. best offers with prepaid card about 40 k cop. of course she may ask for a more fency model. blackberry is state of the art, but i do not recommend to buy such a device. a simple cellphone is good enough to enable you to call her at any time. some more about the city. it sucks to my opinion. very hot climate, windy nevertheless and as a consequence very dusty. my family used to clean the house at least once a day. close the airport you have the city of soledad which seems to be a part of barranquilla. de facto it is, but from an administrative view it is another city. soledad is ever more dirty than barranquilla and you should not go to some neighbourhoods there, for example avoid soledad 2000 in any case (even if your girl lives there). my ex-wife and friends are from soledad so i do always have some locals with me, but nevertheless we avoid to pass trough certain areas. if you tell me from which neighbourhood "barrio" you girl is, i may be in the position to give more information. as others already warned, there is almost nothing to do in barranquilla if you are on your own, and it is far from any suitable beach. you may which to go to the swimming pool of hotel prado which used to be open for public against fee of course for non-hotel guests. as this hotel is under renovation i do not know the present situation. nevertheless good luck.

World Travel 69
08-01-11, 14:12
I am talking about the few that have not been helping others. The ones that jump on some guys, because they ask questions that seem simple to some, but need a little more information.


With all due respect Sir, I must disagree with you. You have to realize that this thread is specifically for Colombia. There are many, many, many experienced, long-time, dedicated gentlemen who have either lived or traveled here for a long time over the years. They have accumulated a 'world' of information, past and current about Colombia, and I, for one, can not say 'thanks' enough to them, and have learned so much from reading their reports. Even though (as your handle indicates) you have gone to many places and countries in the world, and maybe even 'boldly goes when no man has gone before' (love that line from 'Star Trek'. LOL) , I doubt it you have more experiences, information, tips, the dos and the donts about Colombia than the likes of John Gault, Frank Casio, Aussie Greg, and a whole slew of others. Just my two cents and never meant to discredit anyone.

Good days gents.

EZ

Optic Guard
08-01-11, 17:00
I am wondering if it is possible to find a nice apartment around

Medellin or surrounding areas fir about 300 dollars amonth.

I live the weather ther but I hope to fine a nice place near Medellin or maybe Bello

Thanks alot

Tom

Ricker
08-01-11, 17:05
Do not put all of your eggs in one basket. Do not go out of your way for one chick who may or may not show. If you do this I guarantee you will spend most of your time alone. NEWSFLASH: There isn't shit to do in Barranquilla. You said she didn't even have a cell phone. I don't know of any Colombiana who does not have a phone. But if this is truly the case then it is safe to assume she lives with family. If she lives with family the chances are slim that she will be able to stay with you. She will have to be home by a certain time. Say 10pm. And she will show up to see you about 1pm. So you will spend 9 hours a day with her. You will be alone the other 13 .Hey, this guy (Mr E) speaks from experience.

Read his post twice, and remember, one of the main rules of the game; always have a backup plan, always.

MiamiHeatLuver
08-01-11, 17:41
Let me also add that I have been in your shoes before. My first time to Colombia was because I had met a girl on a website. She was a lawyer from Cucuta. I didn't speak any Spanish and she didn't speak any English. But I did speak Portuguese so that made it easier. I bought a translator from Target (which was not worth a damn so I ended up taking it back) and a pocket dictionary. She rode the bus 14 hours to Bogota, leaving the night before my flight. We spent 3 good days together. We went to the Cathedral of Salt and all that shit. The night before I was to go back home she was hinting at me buying her a plane ticket to go home but I kept blowing it off acting like I didn't understand. The next morning when I was leaving she started asking about the ticket again and jumping up and down pulling on my arm as I was leaving out the door. If I would have known then what I know now I would have bought it. It was probably no more than $70 but I didn't know that at the time. I told her I didn't have any money. She said but you have credit cards. LOL. I told her there was one flight out of Colombia per day to where I was going and I wasn't about to miss it dealing with her. Then I walked out. She only spoke to me once after that and that was to tell me off. Since then I have learned to build better relationships with Colombianas. After being to more than 100 countries, to me Colombianas are the best women all-around on the planet.

Now I have to get back to my $30 TLN who has already been here 12 hours! Amazing Thailand.Mr E, a girl just spent 3 days with you and all she asked you for (begging) was a $70 plane ticket so she didn't have to take the 14hr bus ride? Chichipato LOL. Common bro most air travel with Colombia itself is rather inexpensive. As for Colombianas being the "best all around women" Is painting with the broadest of brushes. Just THIS comment MINE, that they are also the biggest liars, cheats, thieves, scammers. How do you know a Colombiana is lying? Her mouth is moving. They will look you directly in the eye and tell you everything you want to hear to satisfy you and then try to change the subject. P. S. To the original poster Mr E. Is right. I don't know any Colombiana without a cell phone. If she starts asking for Blackberrys or Iphones Run for the hills.

MiamiHeatLuver
08-01-11, 17:53
I am wondering if it is possible to find a nice apartment around

Medellin or surrounding areas fir about 300 dollars amonth.

I live the weather ther but I hope to fine a nice place near Medellin or maybe Bello

Thanks alot

TomBello IS PART of Medellin, just the very north end. For sure you will find something there for 550k (Nice room) but it is not the safest of areas. You need to have your wits about you. Have you noticed the putas? Most of them are from this area. A plus There is a real nice mall and Exito right next to the the Metro station in Bello (Niquia) You will see the "se arrienda" signs everywhere.

Furysys
08-01-11, 22:55
I was called a misogynist yesterday because I say that about ALL women, not just colombianas! Also, in relation to cellphones, it is weird a chica does not.

Have one. I have been in el centro casas with some of them, and half the time the damn thing goes off. Probably she wants the guy to buy her one,

Bberrys are out of style, the least she should expect is a top of the line Iphone

Dpilzbo
08-01-11, 23:16
I think Bello is not part of Medellin but a separate city like Envigado. I am pretty sure of this but may be wrong. Still good information MHL.

DP

Ezyngo
08-02-11, 04:06
I think Bello is not part of Medellin but a separate city like Envigado. I am pretty sure of this but may be wrong. Still good information MHL.

DPI concur with DP. Bello is a municipality like sabaneta, itagui, and envigado, and the like. It is not part of Medellin. And Yes. I can't tell you how many putas I met are from Bello.

EZ

MiamiHeatLuver
08-02-11, 05:03
I concur with DP. Bello is a municipality like sabaneta, itagui, and envigado, and the like. It is not part of Medellin. And Yes. I can't tell you how many putas I met are from Bello.

EZHere is a quote from Wikipedia and while I agree the wording is just semantics we are both right. "Bello is a town and municipality in Antioquia Department, Colombia and is a suburb of Medellin, the department capital. Bello is part of the Metropolitan Area of Medellin." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bello, _Antioquia

LuckyEddie
08-02-11, 14:54
I concur with DP. Bello is a municipality like sabaneta, itagui, and envigado, and the like. It is not part of Medellin. And Yes. I can't tell you how many putas I met are from Bello.

EZLa Estrella and Caldas are also not in Medellin.

Putas working in Medellin will say they are from Itagui or Bello and the high class wannabees will say Envigado. And many are from where they say they are. But many are not and don't want to tell you where they are really from. This for many reasons from security, but mainly embarrasment."Where do you live?" is a very common gringo first or second question in Medellin and is considered chismoso or nosey here. Paisas will ask that question but later in the conversation and if it is clear that the two people involved in the conversation are from different estratos, yes it is usually obvious, the question is asked even less and doesn't really matter. Two paisas meeting for the first time are more apt to ask "What do you do?" in that initial conversation.

Some folks from los barrios populares feel attacked when asked where they live and it is so common to respond with another better neighborhood closest to where they really live. Last night a taxista told me he was from between Caicedo and Sucre and did not want to mention El Pinal. It's just the way it is.

If the putas say they are from "Bello" then they don't have to worry about some lovesick John showing up on their doorstep. Also if you go TLN with them they can charge you more for the cab if they are coming from Bello or some onther municipio to your love pad in Poblado. Even though they may be from close by Guayabal or Trinidad. Bello has almost half of the population as Medellin proper and is very big. As is Envigado.

Putas from Medellin working abroad will lie and say they are from Pereira because they have the same accent there as in Medellin. The putas working abroad do not want to be Identified in the their home town as a puta. Especially since so many Johns are bouncing between the Caribbean and Costa Rica and Medellin.

Hioctane
08-02-11, 16:32
I concur with DP. Bello is a municipality like sabaneta, itagui, and envigado, and the like. It is not part of Medellin. And Yes. I can't tell you how many putas I met are from Bello.

EZWithout getting into the proper wording. Bello, Sabeneta, Itagui, Evigado are all barrios (neighborhoods). Medellin is composed of many barrios.

Think of it this way:

State City Neighborhood.

Antioquia Medellin Bello, Sabeneta, etc.

Hioctane
08-02-11, 16:47
Mr E, a girl just spent 3 days with you and all she asked you for (begging) was a $70 plane ticket so she didn't have to take the 14hr bus ride? Chichipato LOL. Common bro most air travel with Colombia itself is rather inexpensive. As for Colombianas being the "best all around women" Is painting with the broadest of brushes. Just THIS comment MINE, that they are also the biggest liars, cheats, thieves, scammers. How do you know a Colombiana is lying? Her mouth is moving. They will look you directly in the eye and tell you everything you want to hear to satisfy you and then try to change the subject. P. S. To the original poster Mr E. Is right. I don't know any Colombiana without a cell phone. If she starts asking for Blackberrys or Iphones Run for the hills.I agree. That is a little messed up. Actually a lot. The honorable think to do after fucking a girl is paying for her way home! He should have researched it in advance. How much by bus, plane taxi. After knowing that it took her 14 hours to go see him!

MiamiHeatLuver
08-02-11, 17:28
Ouch, I'm sure the cartels can't be too pleased about this nab! Loll.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/01/2340943/feds-seize-drug-sub-with-75-tons.html

Bango Cheito
08-02-11, 18:58
I wouldn't buy a girl a plane ticket becuase *I* usually wind up with my ass on that bus. I've been to 18 Colombian cities and only ever been on ONE national flight, despite them being cheap and all. Besides unless it's more than 12 hours on the bus it's just as convenient to take a bus and SLEEP during that time. You take 3 or 4 of those Mareol pills and you're out for a good 8 or 9 hours. Plus aside from Bogota and Medellin the terminals are usually conveniently located in the cities, and the airports are always on the outskirts.

Bango Cheito
08-02-11, 19:02
Without getting into the proper wording. Bello, Sabeneta, Itagui, Evigado are all barrios (neighborhoods). Medellin is composed of many barrios.

Think of it this way:

State City Neighborhood.

Antioquia Medellin Bello, Sabeneta, etc.I know that Itagui Sabaneta and Envigado ARE actually separate municipalities because I have friends who live in those areas. I'm also told that Bello is the same. They have separate local governments, but cooperate on things like the metro, which will eventually reach all the way to Sabaneta.

Bango Cheito
08-02-11, 19:04
And in the case of my current gf, SHE was the one who INSISTED on an open relationship to me. She told me "there is NO way I'm going to be happy having sex with only one person and I don't want to lie to you". Admittedly that's pretty rare ANYWHERE on Earth, I just lucked out this time. But if you want to be an idealist, you can hold out like I did. Or really it wasn't so much idealism. I just didn't see the point of having a "close" relationship with someone and having to lie just to make the relationship work. So I stuck with FWB and p4p for 2 years.

Latin Lover77
08-03-11, 03:27
So my girl in Barranquilla gave me a number to call her and I am having one helava time trying to call. I got a 300* number and I'm trying to call from the US using a calling card. This dumb calling card says to call the card number for my area, enter the pin, dial 011 to reach out of country numbers, and then I found through websites that I have to dial 57 before the number she gave. Problem is that it doesn't work. Another website says that things are different for home pays as compared to cell phones. Can someone please PM me and help me out. I was suppose to call tonight but since it didn't go through I would like to try again tomorrow. Not sure it matter, but I'm calling from Washington DC. Any help appreciated.

Sidenote- Got my trip planned for Oct-31-Nov. 6 for any of you traveling to Barranquilla.

LuckyEddie
08-03-11, 03:50
Without getting into the proper wording. Bello, Sabeneta, Itagui, Evigado are all barrios (neighborhoods). Medellin is composed of many barrios.

Think of it this way:

State City Neighborhood.

Antioquia Medellin Bello, Sabeneta, etc.There is no way to say this nicely but I will try. You are totally wrong. Bello, Sabaneta, Envigado, MEDELLIN, Itagui, La Estrella and Caldas are all on the same level and are all municipalities that contain many comunas that contain many barrios.

So there is no difference. To say Envigado is a barrio, well you are two levels too low. If someone tells you they live in Envigado you can ask "which barrio?" and you could even say,"Oh, so you don't live in Medellin" and that is a correct statement. When you are at Frank's Place you had to leave the municipio of Medellin to get there. He is located in the "municipio de Itagui" it its "Comuna 4" in barrio "central Mayorista"

Bello has 10 comunas and those comunas have about 80 barrios.

Medellin has 16 comunas and about 250 barrios.

NO disrespect intended, just clearing it up.

Let's leave it at that and not even bother with corregimientos like Santa Elena.

Hioctane
08-03-11, 04:05
I know that Itagui Sabaneta and Envigado ARE actually separate municipalities because I have friends who live in those areas. I'm also told that Bello is the same. They have separate local governments, but cooperate on things like the metro, which will eventually reach all the way to Sabaneta.Disregard everything I said. I flunked geography. LOL

MiamiHeatLuver
08-03-11, 04:26
So my girl in Barranquilla gave me a number to call her and I am having one helava time trying to call. I got a 300* number and I'm trying to call from the US using a calling card. This dumb calling card says to call the card number for my area, enter the pin, dial 011 to reach out of country numbers, and then I found through websites that I have to dial 57 before the number she gave. Problem is that it doesn't work. Another website says that things are different for home pays as compared to cell phones. Can someone please PM me and help me out. I was suppose to call tonight but since it didn't go through I would like to try again tomorrow. Not sure it matter, but I'm calling from Washington DC. Any help appreciated.

Sidenote- Got my trip planned for Oct-31-Nov. 6 for any of you traveling to Barranquilla.Anything starting with 300 is a cellphone, so it would be 011 57 3xx xxx xxxx.

And Baranquilla city code is 5. So it would be 011 57 5 xxx xxxx.

So once your calling card ask you to enter the number after you put your pin in. It will be one of the 2

Kukulkan
08-03-11, 06:25
Dial 01157300+ number.

My two Colombian CENTS.


So my girl in Barranquilla gave me a number to call her and I am having one helava time trying to call. I got a 300* number and I'm trying to call from the US using a calling card. This dumb calling card says to call the card number for my area, enter the pin, dial 011 to reach out of country numbers, and then I found through websites that I have to dial 57 before the number she gave. Problem is that it doesn't work. Another website says that things are different for home pays as compared to cell phones. Can someone please PM me and help me out. I was suppose to call tonight but since it didn't go through I would like to try again tomorrow. Not sure it matter, but I'm calling from Washington DC. Any help appreciated.

Sidenote- Got my trip planned for Oct-31-Nov. 6 for any of you traveling to Barranquilla.

Viajero
08-03-11, 10:46
Anything starting with 300 is a cellphone, so it would be 011 57 3xx xxx xxxx.

And Baranquilla city code is 5. So it would be 011 57 5 xxx xxxx.

So once your calling card ask you to enter the number after you put your pin in. It will be one of the 2If you are calling a Colombian city to a cell phone number, you do not have to enter the city code number. You only enter the city code number if you are calling a "fijo" home phone. Maybe that is why the confusion starts, Make sure of that when you are calling Colombia from the states. It can be very frustrating.

Mr Enternational
08-03-11, 18:00
So my girl in Barranquilla gave me a number to call her and I am having one helava time trying to call.I'm sitting here trying to figure out what you two will talk about on the phone seeing that you don't speak Spanish and she doesn't speak English.

MiamiHeatLuver
08-03-11, 18:05
If you are calling a Colombian city to a cell phone number, you do not have to enter the city code number. You only enter the city code number if you are calling a "fijo" home phone. Maybe that is why the confusion starts, Make sure of that when you are calling Colombia from the states. It can be very frustrating.What? His question is applying to him being in D. C. And calling Colombia. We're not talking about once he's in Colombia and needs to call fijo to fijo either local or long distance or Cell to fijo. That's a whole nother can of worms.

MiamiHeatLuver
08-03-11, 18:07
I'm sitting here trying to figure out what you two will talk about on the phone seeing that you don't speak Spanish and she doesn't speak English.Bingo, his posts are almost borderline "trollish" I mean you can't hand gesture or sign via telephone with a calling card.

LuckyEddie
08-03-11, 19:30
Just checking on a possible run to the US and I am seeing NOTHING under $850 with the vast majority of airfares to NYC area at $1,000.00.

What did you guys do up there, break the airports or something? This is outragous. I just travelled 6 months ago for just under $600.00.

Hilltopper
08-04-11, 02:05
Dial 01157300+ number.

My two Colombian CENTS.Exacto. There you go LatinLover, a concise, accurate answer for you for only two cents.

Hilltopper
08-04-11, 02:49
There is no way to say this nicely but I will try. You are totally wrong. Bello, Sabaneta, Envigado, MEDELLIN, Itagui, La Estrella and Caldas are all on the same level and are all municipalities that contain many comunas that contain many barrios.

So there is no difference. To say Envigado is a barrio, well you are two levels too low. If someone tells you they live in Envigado you can ask "which barrio?" and you could even say,"Oh, so you don't live in Medellin" and that is a correct statement. When you are at Frank's Place you had to leave the municipio of Medellin to get there. He is located in the "municipio de Itagui" it its "Comuna 4" in barrio "central Mayorista"

Bello has 10 comunas and those comunas have about 80 barrios.

Medellin has 16 comunas and about 250 barrios.

NO disrespect intended, just clearing it up.

Let's leave it at that and not even bother with corregimientos like Santa Elena.Can't imagine someone trying to convince us that the second largest city in the department, with its own mayor and separate local government, is really a part of Medellin. I mean come on, isn't it possible to state the freakin' obvious, (all at once)"I was wrong." Reminds me of when I was a kid from one of the episodes of the Fonzie from Happy Days struggling to say "I'm wrong". Freakin' hilarious, the fragile human psychic.