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Legal Tender
08-04-11, 07:55
Just checking on a possible run to the US and I am seeing NOTHING under $850 with the vast majority of airfares to NYC area at $1, 000. 00.

What did you guys do up there, break the airports or something? This is outragous. I just travelled 6 months ago for just under $600. 00.Eddie, have you checked Spirit? I found flights from New York to Medellin in October for under $200. Each way. I figure at least another $100. For all of the extras. Might be an option. Spirit is a cheap bus, but it will get you from point A to point B.

Lord13
08-04-11, 22:19
Hi,

I've been reading the posts and they are very informative. But I was wondering, is Medellin safe enough for a lone gringo who doesn't know a lot of Spanish? I would try to blend in as much as I could and hit the casas in the day. Is this feasible? Will I get targeted and fucked with as soon as I open my mouth?

John Gault
08-05-11, 02:21
Just checking on a possible run to the US and I am seeing NOTHING under $850 with the vast majority of airfares to NYC area at $1, 000. 00.

What did you guys do up there, break the airports or something? This is outragous. I just travelled 6 months ago for just under $600. 00.LE, I feel your pain. My Sept. MDE trip I used miles, and it only cost me $85 in fees, and taxes. Had I not the miles I would not have booked the trip.

Spot oil is down, and the planes are full. Lets not even talk about baggage fees, and paying for the better seats. These airlines are cleaning up.

Viajero
08-05-11, 04:41
Guys,

I need your help here. I contacted one independent escort to stay with me one week on a vacation that I booked. We agreed on the price, but she demanded half upfront. What if she splits on me after taking the money! What is the best way to go about doing this? Should I give her the half in advance? She told me to trust her, yeah right!

Artisttyp
08-05-11, 07:13
Just checking on a possible run to the US and I am seeing NOTHING under $850 with the vast majority of airfares to NYC area at $1, 000. 00.

What did you guys do up there, break the airports or something? This is outragous. I just travelled 6 months ago for just under $600. 00.I am from the NYC area. Best to wait until right after labor day to fly anywhere. There is a few weeks of opportunity when things are pretty slow in the travel industry. Timing is everything.

Ezyngo
08-05-11, 15:20
I am from the NYC area. Best to wait until right after labor day to fly anywhere. There is a few weeks of opportunity when things are pretty slow in the travel industry. Timing is everything.Very true. Wait after Labor Day or after kiddies go back to school signaling their vacation is over. I usually check airfares online on either Tuesday or Wednesday for bargain. I read an article somewhere on Yahoo recommending air travellers looking for bargain to do so.

Good days gents.

EZ

LuckyEddie
08-05-11, 22:18
Eddie, have you checked Spirit? I found flights from New York to Medellin in October for under $200. Each way. I figure at least another $100. For all of the extras. Might be an option. Spirit is a cheap bus, but it will get you from point A to point B.Spirit's website is tough, have to book each leg separately. That being said they do have deals every now and then. Just not now in the summer.

Guys the prices I was quoting (Alll over $1000 in the previous post) are for August. These next few weeks.

BUT.

MDE-NYC (all 3 airports)

Sept 24th. Oct 08th. Note some of these flights are over night 14+ hours with layover etc.

$700 Spirit (fees not yet added to 1 checked and 1 carryon) will be $800.

$800 LACSA / AVIANCA.

$800 LACSA.

$825 Avianca.

$830 American

$830 COPA

$1069 TACA.

$1395 Air Canada

Looks like just north of $800 is the price right now for after Labor Day.

So for now I guess I am stuck down here in PussyHeaven and I wil have to put my trip up to PussyPrison on hold. I hope all the uptight gringas don't mind.

I travel a good deal. This is going to add $2, 500 out of pocket this fiscal year for me (Sept).

OrientalExpress
08-05-11, 22:45
Guys,

I need your help here. I contacted one independent escort to stay with me one week on a vacation that I booked. We agreed on the price, but she demanded half upfront. What if she splits on me after taking the money! What is the best way to go about doing this? Should I give her the half in advance? She told me to trust her, yeah right!Don't be fooled by them. Don't pay in advance. If she still insists. Divide by days and pay it day by day. That is only answer that I can give.

Errol Flynn
08-06-11, 01:32
Guys,

I need your help here. I contacted one independent escort to stay with me one week on a vacation that I booked. We agreed on the price, but she demanded half upfront. What if she splits on me after taking the money! What is the best way to go about doing this? Should I give her the half in advance? She told me to trust her, yeah right!I answered in the MDE thread, but I'll try here too since you seem committed. Unless you know this girl well, under no circumstances should you pay her for half a week up front. MAYBE, pay her for ONE day and see how it goes, by then, hopefully she will have enough trust in you (do you deserve it?) to wait for the rest until the end of the week. I'm not hard hearted, just experienced.

Member #4176
08-06-11, 04:56
LE, I feel your pain. My Sept. MDE trip I used miles, and it only cost me $85 in fees, and taxes. Had I not the miles I would not have booked the trip.

Spot oil is down, and the planes are full. Lets not even talk about baggage fees, and paying for the better seats. These airlines are cleaning up.I used my miles in spirit also. But, only could use it for one way had to pay full for the other leg. Total was about $400. Not toooo bad for Sept.

Viajero
08-06-11, 12:13
I answered in the MDE thread, but I'll try here too since you seem committed. Unless you know this girl well, under no circumstances should you pay her for half a week up front. MAYBE, pay her for ONE day and see how it goes, by then, hopefully she will have enough trust in you (do you deserve it?) to wait for the rest until the end of the week. I'm not hard hearted, just experienced.Thank you kindly and all of those who commented. I do appreciate it sincerely. This question was double posted by mistake on both Medellin and General info. Since this happening in Medellin, it should be moved to Medellin where there are more opinions on this matter.

Ezyngo
08-07-11, 04:03
Hi,

I've been reading the posts and they are very informative. But I was wondering, is Medellin safe enough for a lone gringo who doesn't know a lot of Spanish? I would try to blend in as much as I could and hit the casas in the day. Is this feasible? Will I get targeted and fucked with as soon as I open my mouth?You will be fine. I recommend you stay in Casa Blanca 1 or Casa Blanca 2 (CB1 or CB2). These two hotels are for MDE newbies, full of gringos. Read the other thread named 'Casa Blanca Medellin' if you have not done so for more info, and also other threads too for where to go and where not to go at night and other tips on safety.

Good lucks.

EZ

Up and Cummer
08-07-11, 08:11
I had some fun times in Help in Rio. What I liked about it was that there was pros and non pros there and even the girls had to pay to get in which seem to make them more motivated. On a side note, I have been to Medellin and had fun but found nothing similar to HELP disco. I hit Lleras and some casas, and strip clubs and agencies. But nothing still compares to HELP. So please can anyone HELP a bro out?

John Gault
08-07-11, 22:43
I had some fun times in Help in Rio. What I liked about it was that there was pros and non pros there and even the girls had to pay to get in which seem to make them more motivated. On a side note, I have been to Medellin and had fun but found nothing similar to HELP disco. I hit Lleras and some casas, and strip clubs and agencies. But nothing still compares to HELP. So please can anyone HELP a bro out?Go to LDV in CTG.

Better yet go to Tequilla Rocks in Lima or Classico in Sosua or the Del Ray in Costa Rica.

Forget MDE.

Your comment { the girls had to pay to get in which seem to make them more motivated. }

These girls have babys to feed. That is all the motivation they need.

BTW fellow board memembers, I promise this is the last time I answer a Help in Rio question.

Mr Enternational
08-08-11, 10:27
I had some fun times in Help in Rio. What I liked about it was that there was pros and non pros there and even the girls had to pay to get in which seem to make them more motivated. On a side note, I have been to Medellin and had fun but found nothing similar to HELP disco. I hit Lleras and some casas, and strip clubs and agencies. But nothing still compares to HELP. So please can anyone HELP a bro out?Why does everyone keep trying to relive Help? It's OVER! LDV in Cartagena does not compare. When I was there it was just like a small bar with a parquet floor where nobody was dancing. Classico in Sosua is pretty much the same as LDV but with more people and they are actually dancing. Tequila Rocks in Lima does not compare. That is more so a clip joint for rookies. The closest place to it in the Western Hemisphere would be Love Story in Sao Paulo. But if you insist on a place like Help, you need to come over to Thailand. We have several places just like it in Pattaya. (Bangkok has a couple as well although more expensive.) Lucifer, Mixx, Candy Shop, Insomnia, Tony's, Marine Disco, etc. Each one plays a different type of music and Lucifer, Candy Shop, and Marine Disco have live bands as well. What all of them have in common is that they are filled with girls who will go with you for money and sometimes free. And neither of them is a small venue (well Candy Shop is pretty small). The picture is inside Lucifer.

Omeprazol
08-08-11, 17:11
Thanks for everyones contribution regarding my question about SA chicks. Grateful for the help. Appreciate it. (Especially SlamCity7777). Now to my recent concern; Brazil was my number One choice initially, then I considered Argentina + Colombia my main targets. Up until now. Because recently I found out that travelling to Rio de Janiero will cost somewhat 300 euros (ca 420 dollars) less than flying to BA or Bogota. So even if Colombia and Argentina are cheaper to live in, a visit to Brazil may cost equal when all costs are summed up. To those with experience; am I right about this assumption or way too optimistic (about the costs living in Rio)?

If I travel to South America my main (only) targets are these:

1) Girls, girls, girls. The easier access the better.

2) Hang out at beaches. Which of course requires sunny weather, hot temperatures and sun screen (and bikini chicks)

I predict that in Rio I will have all that in one place whereas in BA and Colombia I have to travel up and down to get my fill. Right?

SlamCity7777
08-08-11, 21:08
Thanks for everyones contribution regarding my question about SA chicks. Grateful for the help. Appreciate it. (Especially SlamCity7777). Now to my recent concern; Brazil was my number One choice initially, then I considered Argentina + Colombia my main targets. Up until now. Because recently I found out that travelling to Rio de Janiero will cost somewhat 300 euros (ca 420 dollars) less than flying to BA or Bogota. So even if Colombia and Argentina are cheaper to live in, a visit to Brazil may cost equal when all costs are summed up. To those with experience; am I right about this assumption or way too optimistic (about the costs living in Rio)?

If I travel to South America my main (only) targets are these:

1) Girls, girls, girls. The easier access the better.

2) Hang out at beaches. Which of course requires sunny weather, hot temperatures and sun screen (and bikini chicks)

I predict that in Rio I will have all that in one place whereas in BA and Colombia I have to travel up and down to get my fill. Right?Hey You are very welcome, Do you mean that we chatted before one on one or that you have enjoyed my posts about Argentina vs Colombia? If you go to Brazil (sorry no intel on Brazil) Arg is a short flight away! Beach you have to give that to Brazil; they just have more coast line and the world famous Brazilian Bikini! Access? From what I've been reading Brazil has certain elements that are missing from Arg. & Col. Have fun and post back about your trip.

You mind if I hit you up for infor about Prauge / Czech Rep?

Member #4394
08-08-11, 22:59
I dnt knw why, my stomach gets sick every time I come to Colombia. Is it because I eat mainly fish? Some of the fish in Medellin maybe frozen and kept for a long time, I believe. I avoid street vendors' food and fruits, and only drink bottled water though. I apprecite any suggestion.

Legal Tender
08-08-11, 23:14
I dnt knw why, my stomach gets sick every time I come to Colombia. Is it because I eat mainly fish? Some of the fish in Medellin maybe frozen and kept for a long time, I believe. I avoid street vendors' food and fruits, and only drink bottled water though. I apprecite any suggestion.Matt, eating pussy that smells and taste like fish will do that. But, once you get passed the smell, you've got it licked. Seriously, sorry you're having stomach problems. Being from Texas, I wouldn't eat Bar-B-Que in New York. Only fish near the sea where it slept the night before. Colombian food is not all that great, in my opinion, but that's a different thread. Hope you are feeling better and wish you only.

Good energy

MiamiHeatLuver
08-08-11, 23:21
I dnt knw why, my stomach gets sick every time I come to Colombia. Is it because I eat mainly fish? Some of the fish in Medellin maybe frozen and kept for a long time, I believe. I avoid street vendors' food and fruits, and only drink bottled water though. I apprecite any suggestion.If you only eat fish you should maybe switch to canned. That fish even in EXITO or Pomona does NOT look fresh. Look at the eyes. The eyes always tell. I wouldn't eat the frozen fish. They probably just freeze the OLD fish. Who knows? Unless you eat the fresh water fish like Tilapia or Cachama, everything must be bought in from the coast. I don't know where the fish market is located in Medellin. They must have one and it must be in el centro somewhere. Ive never been so cant help you there.

Keep your diet Plain and simple. Starches = Pasta, Potatoes, Rice. That will serve as both a binder for your stomach and fill you up at the same time. Nothing foreign there to process. Take some extra strength PEPTO with you and some IMODIUM. Do you eat GREENS and wash them with tap water?

My paisa friends always tell me that the tap water in Medellin is the "best" in Colombia and you can drink it right from the tap. Fuck That. I'd rather pay 2mil and buy a gallon of BRISA then to fuck up my whole vacation. Better be safe than sorry. I always get some kind of squirts in the Caribbean but never in South America "knock on wood" LOL

Omeprazol
08-08-11, 23:51
Hey You are very welcome, Do you mean that we chatted before one on one or that you have enjoyed my posts about Argentina vs Colombia? If you go to Brazil (sorry no intel on Brazil) Arg is a short flight away! Beach you have to give that to Brazil; they just have more coast line and the world famous Brazilian Bikini! Access? From what I've been reading Brazil has certain elements that are missing from Arg. & Col. Have fun and post back about your trip.

You mind if I hit you up for infor about Prauge / Czech Rep?I enjoyed your posts. We have never chatted one on one. My trip, if I go, will be in December or January. Sure, I will try and help you out with Prague. Do you have any specific questions? I know the guys at the Prague thread are quite good and certainely hold way more knowledge about this place than me.

Member #4394
08-09-11, 00:09
Oh, LT. Please feel my pain as a fellow Buddhist. I was naive about the quality of fish in Med. Similar to you, I do not have a stellar opinion about food in Co. In general. Merci.


Matt, eating pussy that smells and taste like fish will do that. But, once you get passed the smell, you've got it licked. Seriously, sorry you're having stomach problems. Being from Texas, I wouldn't eat Bar-B-Que in New York. Only fish near the sea where it slept the night before. Colombian food is not all that great, in my opinion, but that's a different thread. Hope you are feeling better and wish you only.

Good energy

Bango Cheito
08-09-11, 01:55
Oh, LT. Please feel my pain as a fellow Buddhist. I was naive about the quality of fish in Med. Similar to you, I do not have a stellar opinion about food in Co. In general. Merci.I concur. In Bogota and Medellin stick with locally caught fish that's really actually fresh. Don't eat ocean fish or seafood there. Van Camps makes an excellent canned tuna as well.

In Bogota all seafood is frozen by law, which just ruins it for me.

Tap water in Bogota and Medellin is fine. I've never NOT had problems every time I was in the DR, despite not drinking the water. Here in Bogota I drink the shower water every day and drink tap water all day long, never the slightest problem. I did the same in Medellin too. The water is not your worry here. Colombia is better off for potable water than the USA. As a general rule, the hotter the climate the more you have to worry about the water supply, although I also drank Cartagena tap water with no grief. Cartagena water is heavily chlorinated though.

Member #4394
08-09-11, 02:21
Sorry for being uneducated, but is Robalo fresh water fish? I also assume that Bagre, catfish, is fresh water fish too. So Can I assume that, Tilapia, Robalo, and bagre are relatively safe? I like, and therefore frequently ate, cazuela de Mariscos, which includes shrimps, squids, and other unknown fish. Thanks for the great info, esepecially fish eyes. Probably you examine chicas' eyes with the same sharpness as well.
If you only eat fish you should maybe switch to canned. That fish even in EXITO or Pomona does NOT look fresh. Look at the eyes. The eyes always tell. I wouldn't eat the frozen fish. They probably just freeze the OLD fish. Who knows? Unless you eat the fresh water fish like Tilapia or Cachama, everything must be bought in from the coast. I don't know where the fish market is located in Medellin. They must have one and it must be in el centro somewhere. I've never been so can't help you there.

Keep your diet Plain and simple. Starches = Pasta, Potatoes, Rice. That will serve as both a binder for your stomach and fill you up at the same time. Nothing foreign there to process. Take some extra strength PEPTO with you and some IMODIUM. Do you eat GREENS and wash them with tap water?

My paisa friends always tell me that the tap water in Medellin is the "best" in Colombia and you can drink it right from the tap. Fuck That. I'd rather pay 2mil and buy a gallon of BRISA then to fuck up my whole vacation. Better be safe than sorry. I always get some kind of squirts in the Caribbean but never in South America "knock on wood" LOL

Voyajer1
08-09-11, 03:34
They are all from the sea, but some of them can be grown in fish farms in land. If you are getting sick from the seafood, remember that many of the species you mentioned, especially the sea catfish are bottom feeders. So, only thoroughly cooking the fish will kill the more annoying stomach ailments when it comes to fish ingesting certain poisons and what have you at the bottom or at the end of an unprocessed sewer line; however freezing and extreme heat do the trick 99. 9% of the time. In order to be safe, make sure that you see the food literally "Smoking" from the kitchen if you are eating out. Make sure you tell them that you like your food really, really hot. Be safe.


Sorry for being uneducated, but is Robalo fresh water fish? I also assume that Bagre, catfish, is fresh water fish too. So Can I assume that, Tilapia, Robalo, and bagre are relatively safe? I like, and therefore frequently ate, cazuela de Mariscos, which includes shrimps, squids, and other unknown fish. Thanks for the great info, esepecially fish eyes. Probably you examine chicas' eyes with the same sharpness as well.

Bango Cheito
08-09-11, 04:12
Most of the trout and tilapia here are from farms, as is the salmon, although national salmon is still a small industry. Generally salmon here comes from Chile.

Lord13
08-09-11, 10:54
You will be fine. I recommend you stay in Casa Blanca 1 or Casa Blanca 2 (CB1 or CB2). These two hotels are for MDE newbies, full of gringos. Read the other thread named 'Casa Blanca Medellin' if you have not done so for more info, and also other threads too for where to go and where not to go at night and other tips on safety.

Good luck,

EZLooks nice, but a little pricey for me. By the way, is it difficult to get Viagra in Medellin?

Dad Fun 555
08-11-11, 20:01
Does anybody have any information on getting Colombia student visa for long-term stay (by studying Spanish)?

I thought there was a public university (not a "private language school") in Bogota which did this but I cannot find it now.

I would be very interested to hear other's experiences.

Sailor Jim
08-12-11, 16:37
anyone know a link, or off the top of their heads, what the limits are for bringinig in booze and cigars? if i go over the limit what approximately are the charges / taxes? do they confirep001e the 4th bottle on a a hypothetical 3 bottle limit? or do i have the option to pay? do i need to have receipts for the booze and smokes? thanks!

Hasideas Tao
08-12-11, 17:47
So I'm heading to Medellin soon and have heard of some ISG members having success arranging get-togethers from the popular dating sights. My hope is that even the pros on these sites have a bit less mileage than the girls in the clubs and casas. Am I wrong?

I noticed many of the girls put up profiles on all of these sites since it is free to do so but it seems like as of late, Colombian Cupid sees the most activity with the Medellin girls.

Before I start my Colombian Singles Dating Quest, I'm just wondering if anybody has extremely positive or negative experiences, recommendations, how to tell if she's a non pro, what to say to keep prices at a minimum or pointers for weeding out the flakes. For example, it has been suggested, profiles that list having children who live at home will probably create limits on your dates availability and make sleep overs impossible. Also, Colombian Cupid and Latin American Cupid look exactly the same besides the name. I wonder if you get access to both. I suppose I could find that out myself but I hope to get a little dialog on this topic started.

Thanks

EstebanH
08-12-11, 17:58
So I'm heading to Medellin soon and have heard of some ISG members having success arranging get-togethers from the popular dating sights. My hope is that even the pros on these sites have a bit less mileage than the girls in the clubs and casas. Am I wrong?

I noticed many of the girls put up profiles on all of these sites since it is free to do so but it seems like as of late, Colombian Cupid sees the most activity with the Medellin girls.

Before I start my Colombian Singles Dating Quest, I'm just wondering if anybody has extremely positive or negative experiences, recommendations, how to tell if she's a non pro, what to say to keep prices at a minimum or pointers for weeding out the flakes. For example, it has been suggested, profiles that list having children who live at home will probably create limits on your dates availability and make sleep overs impossible. Also, Colombian Cupid and Latin American Cupid look exactly the same besides the name. I wonder if you get access to both. I suppose I could find that out myself but I hope to get a little dialog on this topic started.

ThanksI am in the same position. I am 3 weeks away from arrival. I signed up with Colombian Cupid with the platinum membership. I followed all of the profile making guidelines but I am getting very little activity, positive or negative. I am not sure what I am missing but I am not getting hardly any action.

However, with just a standard profile on Romance Latina I am getting many more hits.

Ezyngo
08-12-11, 18:11
However, with just a standard profile on Romance Latina I am getting many more hits.I personally like RL. It is the only site I used. Have not tried the other. I got more than 4 or 5 contacts before every trip to Medellin from RL. Not all contacts work out. Some have this and that reason not to meet you or delay the meeting. IMHO, about 90% of the women on RL are pros and semi-pros even though when you chat with them online you might think she is a regular girl. Once you take them to bed, MOST of them, and I stress MOST based on my experience, will ask for 'plasticas' before or after. I think they assume gringos or any foreigners have to pay for sex in Colombia. It is a sad fact but in reality, that's what we (as gringos) face.

Good days gents.

EZ

Hillbilly69
08-12-11, 18:56
also, colombian cupid and latin american cupid look exactly the same besides the name. i wonder if you get access to both.not unless you buy a membership for each site.


do they confirep001e the 4th bottle on a a hypothetical 3 bottle limit? or do i have the option to pay? do i need to have receipts for the booze and smokes? thanks!i have brought 4 bottles before, but in a duty free bag. i think you over thinking things they don't give a fuck, they want your tourist money and for you to come back.


by the way, is it difficult to get viagra in medellin?no, any pharmacy has it over the counter but it is called sidenafil in generic form regular viagra is too expensive there.

Member #4176
08-12-11, 19:57
I am in the same position. I am 3 weeks away from arrival. I signed up with Colombian Cupid with the platinum membership. I followed all of the profile making guidelines but I am getting very little activity, positive or negative. I am not sure what I am missing but I am not getting hardly any action.

However, with just a standard profile on Romance Latina I am getting many more hits.The way I see it is that RL is 90% Pros or chicas looking to gas the gringo for a fun night rumbando. So, your going to get a lot more hits. The other sites have a lot of legit (non pros). So, they know a gringo coming to Medellin only for the week or two doesn't want a relation. I have tried RL, badoo, and Colombian Cupid. With RL got many numbers of pros (which were expensive) and with badoo got few numbers of local girls. The local girls I had to wine and dine and in some cases didn't get to seal the deal. I will be going to Medellin on the 12th of Sept and I still have numbers to a few local girls (2 of them from badoo). I usully get the numbers of the girls from the casas. So, I will rotate my time with the pros and nonpros.

Sailor Jim
08-12-11, 23:02
Before I start my Colombian Singles Dating Quest, I'm just wondering if anybody has extremely positive or negative experiences, recommendations, how to tell if she's a non pro, what to say to keep prices at a minimum or pointers for weeding out the flakes.You really need to state what you're looking for. A long term relationshoiip? A wife? Someone to bring back to your home country? You mention keeping prices low so I am guessing you are looking for low mileage putas?

Bad News. The internet is the worst place to find all of the above.

Low milage putas charge a lot more. Especially ones on the internet. With Internet girls in general there is a very high flake rate due to the fact of sheer numbers of guys contacting them. And if they have been on the internet for some time they already have several options of higher paying clients. They weed out the crap from their rolodex. Just like we do. Last minute cancels when Daddy Warbucks calls is commonplace. The problem is there are many fake girl profiles and fake guy profiles which is why CC and LAC are now "verifying" where the member send in Passport and Driver Lic and info for photo and age and loacation verfification.

Which hurts the real girls. However far and few they are on these internet sites. So this means old slobby grandpas go to CC with pictures of younger blond haired studs as thier profile photos, chatting with the girl on the site promising the world to the her meanwhile the girl doesn't even answer your invite to chat (your average photo). The slobby grandpa is jerking off to the girls photos and his conversation with her. You get snubbed and in the long run the girl quits the site because all she is doing is talking in chat to these hot guys who say they are arriving in a week and never do.

If you are trying to go sooper dooper totally non pro girlfriend rout sealing the deal in a short time may not be as easy as it sounds.

Internet in short: Putas are flakey and charge more. Real girls are far and few and are monopolized by super studs. Real or not.

TuDueno
08-13-11, 08:43
Before I start my Colombian Singles Dating Quest, I'm just wondering if anybody has extremely positive or negative experiences, recommendations, how to tell if she's a non pro, what to say to keep prices at a minimum or pointers for weeding out the flakes. For example, it has been suggested, profiles that list having children who live at home will probably create limits on your dates availability and make sleep overs impossible. Also, Colombian Cupid and Latin American Cupid look exactly the same besides the name. I wonder if you get access to both. I suppose I could find that out myself but I hope to get a little dialog on this topic started.

ThanksYou need to figure out yourself. Experience of others won't necessary help. As a matter of fact a lot of pros or semi-pros use these dating sites too. Concerning milelage what do you expect in a country where the age of consent is 14 (!) and consequently some 16 year old girls have already a child (However please note that the age requirement for P2P is 18). Taking into account the variety of girls advertising on dating sites, including faked profiles and pros, my recommendation is to arrange for dates with a number of girls before travelling to Medellin in your case. I do not want to generalize, but as elsewhere in the world Colombian girls know that the easiest way to catch a man is to have sex with him. Thus children that live with the greater family do not necessarely prevent to girl spending the night with you. A "good" girl will probably introduce you to her family quite quickly. But be aware that once you are caught and considered to be part of the family it may be expected that you support them here and there, they call it "colaborar" which simply means you are supposed to pay for let's say the university education. As "novio" you may spend more for having fun with one girl only than you would spend having fun with a lot of working girls during the same period.

Colbrotha
08-13-11, 09:54
You need to figure out yourself. Experience of others won't necessary help. As a matter of fact a lot of pros or semi-pros use these dating sites too. Concerning milelage what do you expect in a country where the age of consent is 14 (!) and consequently some 16 year old girls have already a child (However please note that the age requirement for P2P is 18). Taking into account the variety of girls advertising on dating sites, including faked profiles and pros, my recommendation is to arrange for dates with a number of girls before travelling to Medellin in your case. I do not want to generalize, but as elsewhere in the world Colombian girls know that the easiest way to catch a man is to have sex with him. Thus children that live with the greater family do not necessarely prevent to girl spending the night with you. A "good" girl will probably introduce you to her family quite quickly. But be aware that once you are caught and considered to be part of the family it may be expected that you support them here and there, they call it "colaborar" which simply means you are supposed to pay for let's say the university education. As "novio" you may spend more for having fun with one girl only than you would spend having fun with a lot of working girls during the same period.Estoy de acuerdo with TuDueno. One of the problems with a Machista Society as Colombia is that the man always pays, like it or not. The man takes the lead in every sense, none of this going dutch nonsense like in the US. You can pull a Top Shelf Breezy, your the gringo with the blue passport with an eagle on the front, international minded, world traveler, dollars on your forehead etc. U can have beautiful children, hottest wife on the block, etc. If it goes to that level, better be paid in full or get inevitably played.

John Gault
08-13-11, 14:22
you need to figure out yourself. experience of others won't necessary help. as a matter of fact a lot of pros or semi-pros use these dating sites too. concerning milelage what do you expect in a country where the age of consent is 14 (!) and consequently some 16 year old girls have already a child (however please note that the age requirement for p2p is 18). taking into account the variety of girls advertising on dating sites, including faked profiles and pros, my recommendation is to arrange for dates with a number of girls before travelling to medellin in your case. i do not want to generalize, but as elsewhere in the world colombian girls know that the easiest way to catch a man is to have sex with him. thus children that live with the greater family do not necessarely prevent to girl spending the night with you. a "good" girl will probably introduce you to her family quite quickly. but be aware that once you are caught and considered to be part of the family it may be expected that you support them here and there, they call it "colaborar" which simply means you are supposed to pay for let's say the university education. as "novio" you may spend more for having fun with one girl only than you would spend having fun with a lot of working girls during the same period.you say you may spend more on a novia than a pro. i say you will spend much more and that is a fact. i have stayed with novias from time to time, and it was always the fridge broke down or the washing machine or if she has a car that needs work. as far as the washing machine, and the fridge, when it happened to me, i was never asked to replace or fix them. i just saw how she had to use them and it was to me a thing that needed to be done. now if you are lucky to aviod those pitfalls then going out to eat is now double for you. now i'm sure she is a good cook. seems they all know how to cook. notice how you are buying steak, and fish in the supermarket. wow those grapes from chile look good. all the rest of the family loves this better food than the usual beans and rice. so you like her to have sexy night clothes for you to enjoy. just so happens while you are shopping for those items she sees a pair of jeans she likes. oh yeah while shopping with her, don't let her catch you looking or talking to that cute salesgirl who is wishing you were spending that money on her not your novia. then things for her kids, and medicine. of course going to the discos is another expense. almost forgot all the phone calls you make to her when you are home. god forbid you miss a day without calling her.

all in all, those sweet besos do seem to make it all worthwhile. of course i'm sure some of you brad pitt guys will let us know how they pay almost nothing to have one of these sweet girls. good for you. me i live in the real world.

SlamCity7777
08-13-11, 14:28
This is a very popular topic here as of late and I would like to add my two cents. STOP!

This community is hers so we can talk about where to find sexy-young-women who SCREW for money and if we're lucky provide good service for a reasonable price. We DO NOT care if you want to date non-pros or semi pros. I'm lucky enough to have a cool Colombina novia down there; do all of you want to know about how she hates her boss at the hairsalon? NO you don't because this is a community or posting about screwing professional working girls not the "I want to have a relationship with non pros"

News Flash to all the "Young-Yoked-Studs" out there looking to got to COL on a week long trip to pick up non pros; It ain't going to to happen! The deck is stacked against you in alot of waya but the biggest is that there is a established middle class in Colombia (or more well off / more stable) vs say the DR or Costa Rica where 85-90% of the population is poor so you're ECONOMIC GAME is negated. For most of you Fat-Bald-Cheap-Gringos (FBCG is the term I'll be using from now on in all my posts) out there this was your only shot and that's gone! Think about it; If she's a non pro or even semi pro there is a reason for this, her family is not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor! She does not need to sell off her pussy to you for rent and or bills! If she's not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor then why would she want to spend time with you? In the other countries a girl might want to only be treated to a nice meal, movie, little gift, and some attention from a guy other than Hector or Javier who maker her pay for the one soda and hot dog they share sitting on a street corner. Believe it or not there are guys in Colombia who can take a girl out to a normal date and THEY do speak the language perfectly, they do live there so they can put the time in, and they don't make the girl feel like a total working girl!

Por ejempleo: I was at some mall having lunch with my novia and a few table over there was this FBCG with a very pretty chick in her mid 20's maybe early 30's. From what I could hear it was a first date (year of being a bartender and waiter I can spot a first date a mile away) This clown goes ". We can live in a nice big house. Blah blah blah" and the goes ". I already live in a nice house." and he looks all stupid and what not and all he has to say back to her was ". No I mean like an even BIGGER house!" All this FBCG had to say or offer this girl, his only bait was that he had money, when she didn't need or come off as needing his money he had no other bullets in his gun. I dated a semi-pro for a few months. Friend of a Friends.

If you're NOT hooking up in the states what makes you think you're going to score in Colombia? You're still you no matter where you're at and if you have NO GAME then you have NO GAME! If you're asking questions like "where is a good place to meet non-working girls, how can I tell if she's a part-time-working girl. Ect" then chance are you Sir have no game! Look in the mirror and you know it to be true. Admitting the problem is the first step in addressing the problem.

See below for a list of things you will need if you do want to date non pros in Colombia and pretty much the entire world including the states, use this as a road map / laundry list for all the NEWBIES so ya'll can STOP asking the same 10 questions over and over and over. Oh and use the search function, it's there for a reason.

No Specific Order:

1) Reasonably Handsome: Good looking dude pull fine ass bitches. Simple truth. If you are Tall, Dark, and Handsome then stop reading this list. Handsome trumps all else. If you're a good looking dude pussy will find you! If you're not handsome put your best foot forward and hope for the best.

2) Personality / Charming: You can't change your looks but you can control your attitude. I write this or something like this in almost all my posts because it's true and if you did not know this before. Then you have no game! Be Cool, be Nice, be Funny, stay Positive!

3) Language Skills: Are you kidding me? When I read the posts where some clown says "I speak little to no Spanish will I have a problem meeting non pros?" YES! Imagine going to a job interview and not speaking English. Same shit.

4) Time: Have to put your time in, you have to make the girl feel comfortable with you, time does the trick if you have it. You can't rush these things; women of all countries hate to be rushed. Once again if this is news to you then YOU HAVE NO GAME! If you don't have time then jump in a cab and head to the working girl house.

5) Connections: Friend of a Friend is the BEST way to meet chicks! Always has been; Always will be! Build connections, go to a bar, gym, restaurant and be #2 (see above) but you also need #4 (see above) be cool with another local, the bartender, waitress, buss boy, and if you're lucky you'll get introduced to their circle of friends and BLAMO! You're good! This is how I met my girl, she's a friend of my buddy here in the states, cousin in Colombia. Long story short.

I knew I was "in" when I started getting invited to birthday parties, graduations, ect.

Play the game don't get played.

SlamCity7777
08-13-11, 14:34
you say you may spend more on a novia than a pro. i say you will spend much more and that is a fact. i have stayed with novias from time to time, and it was always the fridge broke down or the washing machine or if she has a car that needs work. as far as the washing machine, and the fridge, when it happened to me, i was never asked to replace or fix them. i just saw how she had to use them and it was to me a thing that needed to be done. now if you are lucky to aviod those pitfalls then going out to eat is now double for you. now i'm sure she is a good cook. seems they all know how to cook. notice how you are buying steak, and fish in the supermarket. wow those grapes from chile look good. all the rest of the family loves this better food than the usual beans and rice. so you like her to have sexy night clothes for you to enjoy. just so happens while you are shopping for those items she sees a pair of jeans she likes. oh yeah while shopping with her, don't let her catch you looking or talking to that cute salesgirl who is wishing you were spending that money on her not your novia. then things for her kids, and medicine. of course going to the discos is another expense. almost forgot all the phone calls you make to her when you are home. god forbid you miss a day without calling her.

all in all, those sweet besos do seem to make it all worthwhile. of course i'm sure some of you brad pitt guys will let us know how they pay almost nothing to have one of these sweet girls. good for you. me i live in the real world.exceptional post sir! i just posted a post with a similar tone. i would love your feedback!

TuDueno
08-13-11, 15:37
I completely agree with JG. I am not a Brad Pitt guy and I know exactly what you are talking about. As far as the "may" is concerned I did not want to discourage Hasideas too much. Guess what Colombianas like most. Shopping.

Member #4394
08-13-11, 17:05
Correct. I always politely decline any invitation by pros and nonpros to meet their families. Once you meet their families, they will start asking you for a bunch of things. Be careful when they say that you are a member of the family.


A "good" girl will probably introduce you to her family quite quickly. But be aware that once you are caught and considered to be part of the family it may be expected that you support them here and there, they call it "colaborar" which simply means you are supposed to pay for let's say the university education. As "novio" you may spend more for having fun with one girl only than you would spend having fun with a lot of working girls during the same period.

Bango Cheito
08-13-11, 17:44
There's real worlds and then real worlds.

FACT about Colombian culture. In the REAL Colombia, not the one that gets presented in front of the typical pussy-hunting foreigner, Colombians are very VERY suspicious of people they don't know, people outside their circle. This is why you have so many cousins fucking and even marrying in this culture (my gf's parents were cousins, one of my best friend's parents are cousins and my ex-wife has cousins in her grandparents).

If you're some stranger from another part of the city, much less another COUNTRY, they typically wouldn't consider you family for a long long time. And the converse of what you guys said is actually true. If they accept even 100 pesos from you, it's because you're in the circle. Because of this, they will generally not even let you so much as buy a piece of bread or a lightbulb to support the household because that means they are VALIDATING THE RELATIONSHIP and this is something the typical Colombian mom and dad do NOT do lightly, even if things are going great and everybody gets along.

As a matter of fact, an excellent litmus test of if you have a girl who is really going out with you because she earnestly likes you or a gold digger is how long she waits before introducing you to her parents. Bringing you home to Mama and Papa before the 2 month or even 3 month mark is EXTREMELY counter-cultural in the REAL Colombia. If you find yourself being introduced to the family after a week or two, you have an interesada on your hands, so be CAREFUL. This of course means that the whole family is in on the game, and by associating yourself with these people you have now LOST the trust of the whole neighborhood, which to somebody like me would be important, because I live here full time. This is a big part of the reason gringos are starting to get a bad rep here.

Colbrotha
08-14-11, 00:22
This is a very popular topic here as of late and I would like to add my two cents. STOP!

This community is hers so we can talk about where to find sexy-young-women who SCREW for money and if we're lucky provide good service for a reasonable price. We DO NOT care if you want to date non-pros or semi pros. I'm lucky enough to have a cool Colombina novia down there; do all of you want to know about how she hates her boss at the hairsalon? NO you don't because this is a community or posting about screwing professional working girls not the "I want to have a relationship with non pros"

If you're NOT hooking up in the states what makes you think you're going to score in Colombia? You're still you no matter where you're at and if you have NO GAME then you have NO GAME! If you're asking questions like "where is a good place to meet non-working girls, how can I tell if she's a part-time-working girl. Ect" then chance are you Sir have no game! Look in the mirror and you know it to be true. Admitting the problem is the first step in addressing the problem.

Play the game don't get played.That's a wakeup call if I ever heard one. That's better than a pot of coffee and a cold shower combined. If you don't speak the language and you don't have any friends, stick to the casas. Game is all encompassing and it exudes or manifests through one's swagger. Running around looking like a MARK or scared won't work in the end. Confidence is so important when it comes to pulling Colombianas. Can't say enough about the money either. Let's just stick to the Forum's MO. Peace

Hioctane
08-14-11, 11:21
you say you may spend more on a novia than a pro. i say you will spend much more and that is a fact. i have stayed with novias from time to time, and it was always the fridge broke down or the washing machine or if she has a car that needs work. as far as the washing machine, and the fridge, when it happened to me, i was never asked to replace or fix them. i just saw how she had to use them and it was to me a thing that needed to be done. now if you are lucky to aviod those pitfalls then going out to eat is now double for you. now i'm sure she is a good cook. seems they all know how to cook. notice how you are buying steak, and fish in the supermarket. wow those grapes from chile look good. all the rest of the family loves this better food than the usual beans and rice. so you like her to have sexy night clothes for you to enjoy. just so happens while you are shopping for those items she sees a pair of jeans she likes. oh yeah while shopping with her, don't let her catch you looking or talking to that cute salesgirl who is wishing you were spending that money on her not your novia. then things for her kids, and medicine. of course going to the discos is another expense. almost forgot all the phone calls you make to her when you are home. god forbid you miss a day without calling her.

all in all, those sweet besos do seem to make it all worthwhile. of course i'm sure some of you brad pitt guys will let us know how they pay almost nothing to have one of these sweet girls. good for you. me i live in the real world.that's what you get for dating a poor barrio girl. did it once and can't deal with it. now i prefer going after the educated girls with a steady job that don't need to depend on you for anything.

Hioctane
08-14-11, 11:29
This is a very popular topic here as of late and I would like to add my two cents. STOP!

This community is hers so we can talk about where to find sexy-young-women who SCREW for money and if we're lucky provide good service for a reasonable price. We DO NOT care if you want to date non-pros or semi pros. I'm lucky enough to have a cool Colombina novia down there; do all of you want to know about how she hates her boss at the hairsalon? NO you don't because this is a community or posting about screwing professional working girls not the "I want to have a relationship with non pros"I beg to differ. I want to hear about everything. IMO, this board is about international sex. Paid. Unpaid. Pro. Non pro. Semi pro. Young. Old. It doesn't matter as long as it pertains to SEX internationally. If you are looking for more specific info, more power to you. Just skip over the stuff you don't want to read.

My dos centavos.

Hioctane
08-14-11, 11:40
News Flash to all the "Young-Yoked-Studs" out there looking to got to COL on a week long trip to pick up non pros; It ain't going to to happen! The deck is stacked against you in alot of waya but the biggest is that there is a established middle class in Colombia (or more well off / more stable) vs say the DR or Costa Rica where 85-90% of the population is poor so you're ECONOMIC GAME is negated. For most of you Fat-Bald-Cheap-Gringos (FBCG is the term I'll be using from now on in all my posts) out there this was your only shot and that's gone! Think about it; If she's a non pro or even semi pro there is a reason for this, her family is not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor! She does not need to sell off her pussy to you for rent and or bills! If she's not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor then why would she want to spend time with you? In the other countries a girl might want to only be treated to a nice meal, movie, little gift, and some attention from a guy other than Hector or Javier who maker her pay for the one soda and hot dog they share sitting on a street corner. Believe it or not there are guys in Colombia who can take a girl out to a normal date and THEY do speak the language perfectly, they do live there so they can put the time in, and they don't make the girl feel like a total working girl!Not that it ain't going to happen. The stars have to align. Your conditions are on point.


5) Connections: Friend of a Friend is the BEST way to meet chicks! Always has been; Always will be! Build connections, go to a bar, gym, restaurant and be #2 (see above) but you also need #4 (see above) be cool with another local, the bartender, waitress, buss boy, and if you're lucky you'll get introduced to their circle of friends and BLAMO! You're good! This is how I met my girl, she's a friend of my buddy here in the states, cousin in Colombia. Long story short.

I knew I was "in" when I started getting invited to birthday parties, graduations, ect.Yes this is great, BUT. Don't be like that idiot that got his ass kicked and got run out of the country! If you use friend connects, DO NOT fuck around. Either one girl at a time OR don't lie and get into something serious just to fuck her.

Mr Enternational
08-14-11, 11:41
And the converse of what you guys said is actually true. If they accept even 100 pesos from you, it's because you're in the circle. Because of this, they will generally not even let you so much as buy a piece of bread or a lightbulb to support the householdFinally a man who knows what he is talking about. Where are you guys finding these women who are always begging for things and expecting you to take them shopping? And so what if they did. Are you so afraid to say no?


As a matter of fact, an excellent litmus test of if you have a girl who is really going out with you because she earnestly likes you or a gold digger is how long she waits before introducing you to her parents. Bringing you home to Mama and Papa before the 2 month or even 3 month mark is EXTREMELY counter-cultural in the REAL Colombia. If you find yourself being introduced to the family after a week or two, you have an interesada on your hands, so be CAREFUL.Maybe so, but I'm not a traditional kind of guy. I'm on my game and always to the extreme. One of the first questions I ask a female is,"What is your family going to say if you go out with a foreigner?" Then I ask about meeting her mother because she should not be out with me if her family does not know who I am. This makes them think that this guy must be really serious about me.

But as the point has been made before, if you do not live there, are not a frequent visitor, do not speak Spanish, then stick to the pros. Women are pretty much the same the world around. If they are not pros then they generally are not going to take to and fuck some random Joe that just pops up from out of nowhere no matter how poor and needy they may be.

EstebanH
08-14-11, 14:15
A couple of comments here. Many of your points are true. The tall dark handsome bartender kinda guy will always get fine, hot looking pussie. Generally, these types of girls are flashy and sexy as hell. The kind we would all like to bang.

I will disagree with you on one point. Serious girls, or girls of quality (from any social strata) are not as gullible. For these girls, who have a higher social or moral composition, will see through the bullshit. For these serious girls of quality, power and confidence trump looks, language skills and "game" any day. Women of quality might be teachers or doctors or just ordinary girls. These girls can be hot and extremely sexy, too, but are the real keepers in life. These girls can spot quality when it is there. The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair. Also, I hate to break the news to you young studs who have worked so hard at developing "game"; chances are very high you are going to get fat and / or loose your hair when you get 50+! When you are past your prime you will look like shit and have no money. The difference is that the doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy who can afford to take multiple trips per year and laying down multiple thousands $$$ per trip will still be getting the very best hot latin pussy.


This is a very popular topic here as of late and I would like to add my two cents. STOP!

This community is hers so we can talk about where to find sexy-young-women who SCREW for money and if we're lucky provide good service for a reasonable price. We DO NOT care if you want to date non-pros or semi pros. I'm lucky enough to have a cool Colombina novia down there; do all of you want to know about how she hates her boss at the hairsalon? NO you don't because this is a community or posting about screwing professional working girls not the "I want to have a relationship with non pros"

News Flash to all the "Young-Yoked-Studs" out there looking to got to COL on a week long trip to pick up non pros; It ain't going to to happen! The deck is stacked against you in alot of waya but the biggest is that there is a established middle class in Colombia (or more well off / more stable) vs say the DR or Costa Rica where 85-90% of the population is poor so you're ECONOMIC GAME is negated. For most of you Fat-Bald-Cheap-Gringos (FBCG is the term I'll be using from now on in all my posts) out there this was your only shot and that's gone! Think about it; If she's a non pro or even semi pro there is a reason for this, her family is not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor! She does not need to sell off her pussy to you for rent and or bills! If she's not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor then why would she want to spend time with you? In the other countries a girl might want to only be treated to a nice meal, movie, little gift, and some attention from a guy other than Hector or Javier who maker her pay for the one soda and hot dog they share sitting on a street corner. Believe it or not there are guys in Colombia who can take a girl out to a normal date and THEY do speak the language perfectly, they do live there so they can put the time in, and they don't make the girl feel like a total working girl!

Por ejempleo: I was at some mall having lunch with my novia and a few table over there was this FBCG with a very pretty chick in her mid 20's maybe early 30's. From what I could hear it was a first date (year of being a bartender and waiter I can spot a first date a mile away) This clown goes ". We can live in a nice big house. Blah blah blah" and the goes ". I already live in a nice house." and he looks all stupid and what not and all he has to say back to her was ". No I mean like an even BIGGER house!" All this FBCG had to say or offer this girl, his only bait was that he had money, when she didn't need or come off as needing his money he had no other bullets in his gun. I dated a semi-pro for a few months. Friend of a Friends.

If you're NOT hooking up in the states what makes you think you're going to score in Colombia? You're still you no matter where you're at and if you have NO GAME then you have NO GAME! If you're asking questions like "where is a good place to meet non-working girls, how can I tell if she's a part-time-working girl. Ect" then chance are you Sir have no game! Look in the mirror and you know it to be true. Admitting the problem is the first step in addressing the problem.

See below for a list of things you will need if you do want to date non pros in Colombia and pretty much the entire world including the states, use this as a road map / laundry list for all the NEWBIES so ya'll can STOP asking the same 10 questions over and over and over. Oh and use the search function, it's there for a reason.

No Specific Order:

1) Reasonably Handsome: Good looking dude pull fine ass bitches. Simple truth. If you are Tall, Dark, and Handsome then stop reading this list. Handsome trumps all else. If you're a good looking dude pussy will find you! If you're not handsome put your best foot forward and hope for the best.

2) Personality / Charming: You can't change your looks but you can control your attitude. I write this or something like this in almost all my posts because it's true and if you did not know this before. Then you have no game! Be Cool, be Nice, be Funny, stay Positive!

3) Language Skills: Are you kidding me? When I read the posts where some clown says "I speak little to no Spanish will I have a problem meeting non pros?" YES! Imagine going to a job interview and not speaking English. Same shit.

4) Time: Have to put your time in, you have to make the girl feel comfortable with you, time does the trick if you have it. You can't rush these things; women of all countries hate to be rushed. Once again if this is news to you then YOU HAVE NO GAME! If you don't have time then jump in a cab and head to the working girl house.

5) Connections: Friend of a Friend is the BEST way to meet chicks! Always has been; Always will be! Build connections, go to a bar, gym, restaurant and be #2 (see above) but you also need #4 (see above) be cool with another local, the bartender, waitress, buss boy, and if you're lucky you'll get introduced to their circle of friends and BLAMO! You're good! This is how I met my girl, she's a friend of my buddy here in the states, cousin in Colombia. Long story short.

I knew I was "in" when I started getting invited to birthday parties, graduations, ect.

Play the game don't get played.

John Gault
08-14-11, 15:41
Exceptional Post sir! I just posted a post with a similar tone. I would love your feedback!In your earlier post you said that we are getting tired of answering the same 10 questions. I think you, and me, and most of the senior guys here are at the breaking point on this matter. I see post after post where we answer the same question over, and over. Example [ Is there a Help type disco in MDE? } or { Where can I meet Non pro's? }.

Colombia is reaching the breaking point concerning P4P. I see at the airport now more, and more Mongers. On the plane if I sit near them I am constainly reminding them to keep their voices down as they are getting all excited talking about the upcoming Chicas they are going to be seeing. They don't seem to realize that a lot of people on that plane speak English. I think what bothers me most about this is some of these clowns don't care if they are overheard talking this trash.

On another note. If you are getting your passport filled up, and are running out of room you can try this. When entering the Country of your choice it is wise to ask the officer who stamps your passport to stamp on a page where there are already many stamps. All the times I have asked this I have not been disapointed. I think the reason they comply is the stamp is only a formality as when they run your passport thru their computor, that is all that is really needed.

SlamCity7777
08-14-11, 16:41
A couple of comments here. Many of your points are true. The tall dark handsome bartender kinda guy will always get fine, hot looking pussie. Generally, these types of girls are flashy and sexy as hell. The kind we would all like to bang.

I will disagree with you on one point. Serious girls, or girls of quality (from any social strata) are not as gullible. For these girls, who have a higher social or moral composition, will see through the bullshit. For these serious girls of quality, power and confidence trump looks, language skills and "game" any day. Women of quality might be teachers or doctors or just ordinary girls. These girls can be hot and extremely sexy, too, but are the real keepers in life. These girls can spot quality when it is there. The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair. Also, I hate to break the news to you young studs who have worked so hard at developing "game"; chances are very high you are going to get fat and / or loose your hair when you get 50+! When you are past your prime you will look like shit and have no money. The difference is that the doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy who can afford to take multiple trips per year and laying down multiple thousands $$$ per trip will still be getting the very best hot latin pussy.You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree with you on disagreeing with me. Hahhaha. I'm trying to keep this light and not to start a full beef iwth EstebanH.

You claim is that "The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair". Your argument is that money will make a person more attractive to smarter / a better quality of woman? ON WHAT PLANET? What dream or drugs are you basing this claim on? Game or Swagger is confidence by definition, you can call it charisma or charm or the gift of gab if you are of the older generation.

If you're of advanced age and you have no "Game" (handsome, funny, charming, speak the language if applicable) and you have a 20+ year old super sexy pretty young thing on your arm there is only one thing she's there for SECURITY! South America or China or The States a gold digger is a gold digger. Your money makes her feel secure, car, food, rooms, shelter, cloths, expenses. Ect; that is why you are there! You take away the "success and power" and you got an old dude with nothing going for him. A poor handsome guy is still going to be handsome.

"The difference is that the doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy who can afford to take multiple trips per year and laying down multiple thousands $$$ per trip will still be getting the very best hot latin pussy."

Here again you argue that it is $$$ what will get you "the very best hot latin pussy" NO SHIT? If I'm rich chicks will want to spend my money. Err. I mean time with me? Really?

You can lose money, you can lose power and influence. Your looks will fade but you can retain some of your looks or adapt / age gracefully (all the Movie Stars are in their 45-55 and are still considered very handsome so guys it can be done) and you will and can NEVER LOSE YOUR PERSONALITY! If you're a funny, cool, guy now chances are you'll continue to be so when you're 50+. You might lose your looks but you can keep your game (ONCE again GAME=Charm / Charisma)

(True story I'm holding back the name of the team but the team is in Cali)

Take the owner of the a Pro basket ball team X. He has this super pretty 20+ year old girlfriend who keeps him company, spends time with him, they fly around the world together on trips, she may or may not fuck him (this I don't know) and makes him feel good / young. He keeps her in a the life and light of fame and celebrity his money provides. Fair trade right? Truth be told This girl who I have met on several occasions and is a very smart, pretty, and nice girl; she is getting stuffed by my buddy who is originally from Hawaii who lives in Cali now. My buddy does not own a Pro Basketball team, he does not keep her in her life style, he does not cast a light of celebrity on to her but for some STRANGE and UNKNOWN reason she likes to suck his balls and get her ass slapped and hair pulled by him anyway during doggie. Odd how a 30+ year old surfer guy with 1% body fat living, dirty blond hair, and crushing blue eyes and who lives a "humble" life in Cali can get laid to THE SAME EXACT chick the owner of a pro basketball team calls his girlfriend!

Chances are Mr. Basketball will not lose all his money becasue he has so much of it. If we were to ask him how much pussy he's had in his life vs how much Mr. Surfer has had in his? I'll put my money and lay good odds on Mr. Surfer because he's a funny cool dude who is ALSO GOOD LOOKING!

Let's do a little social experiment: We'll take any "50+ year old successful and powerful" guy who VS 30+ year old handsome guy with good language skills and "game" and put them in ANY SOCIAL situation you want and let's see who ends up getting a phone number, who gets a date, and who ends up getting laid?

Mr."doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy " might have paid for the Chicas to get into the club, paid for their bottle of booze, and even the dress she got on and the shoes on her feet but it is Mr. Cool-Funny-Nice-Fun Guy who is dancing with the girls as you keep the ice cubes cold.

When you spend all your time focusing on money that's all you end up with; Money. When you focus your time on trying to be a better person you end up with. Wait for it. A BETTER PERSON! Who would you rater have fly your wing at a bar or night club? Mr. I make 6 o 7 figures or Mr. Let's do a round of shots with those girls? Oh and a round of shots does not cost a million bucks so the young soon to be ". Past your prime you will look like shit and have no money." guy can still afford to buy the round especially in a SA country but can the rich guy be as cool, funny, charming?

Member #4394
08-14-11, 18:26
How about making a new thread for newbies' questions, so members who are kind will answer the questions? Good idea?


In your earlier post you said that we are getting tired of answering the same 10 questions. I think you, and me, and most of the senior guys here are at the breaking point on this matter. I see post after post where we answer the same question over, and over. Example [ Is there a Help type disco in MDE? } or { Where can I meet Non pro's? }.

Member #4394
08-14-11, 18:30
I agree w / everything here except one. It seems that Paisa girls or Colombianas in general, like "white" handsome guys w / light skin.


This is a very popular topic here as of late and I would like to add my two cents. STOP!

This community is hers so we can talk about where to find sexy-young-women who SCREW for money and if we're lucky provide good service for a reasonable price. We DO NOT care if you want to date non-pros or semi pros. I'm lucky enough to have a cool Colombina novia down there; do all of you want to know about how she hates her boss at the hairsalon? NO you don't because this is a community or posting about screwing professional working girls not the "I want to have a relationship with non pros"

News Flash to all the "Young-Yoked-Studs" out there looking to got to COL on a week long trip to pick up non pros; It ain't going to to happen! The deck is stacked against you in alot of waya but the biggest is that there is a established middle class in Colombia (or more well off / more stable) vs say the DR or Costa Rica where 85-90% of the population is poor so you're ECONOMIC GAME is negated. For most of you Fat-Bald-Cheap-Gringos (FBCG is the term I'll be using from now on in all my posts) out there this was your only shot and that's gone! Think about it; If she's a non pro or even semi pro there is a reason for this, her family is not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor! She does not need to sell off her pussy to you for rent and or bills! If she's not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor then why would she want to spend time with you? In the other countries a girl might want to only be treated to a nice meal, movie, little gift, and some attention from a guy other than Hector or Javier who maker her pay for the one soda and hot dog they share sitting on a street corner. Believe it or not there are guys in Colombia who can take a girl out to a normal date and THEY do speak the language perfectly, they do live there so they can put the time in, and they don't make the girl feel like a total working girl!

Por ejempleo: I was at some mall having lunch with my novia and a few table over there was this FBCG with a very pretty chick in her mid 20's maybe early 30's. From what I could hear it was a first date (year of being a bartender and waiter I can spot a first date a mile away) This clown goes ". We can live in a nice big house. Blah blah blah" and the goes ". I already live in a nice house." and he looks all stupid and what not and all he has to say back to her was ". No I mean like an even BIGGER house!" All this FBCG had to say or offer this girl, his only bait was that he had money, when she didn't need or come off as needing his money he had no other bullets in his gun. I dated a semi-pro for a few months. Friend of a Friends.

If you're NOT hooking up in the states what makes you think you're going to score in Colombia? You're still you no matter where you're at and if you have NO GAME then you have NO GAME! If you're asking questions like "where is a good place to meet non-working girls, how can I tell if she's a part-time-working girl. Ect" then chance are you Sir have no game! Look in the mirror and you know it to be true. Admitting the problem is the first step in addressing the problem.

See below for a list of things you will need if you do want to date non pros in Colombia and pretty much the entire world including the states, use this as a road map / laundry list for all the NEWBIES so ya'll can STOP asking the same 10 questions over and over and over. Oh and use the search function, it's there for a reason.

No Specific Order:

1) Reasonably Handsome: Good looking dude pull fine ass bitches. Simple truth. If you are Tall, Dark, and Handsome then stop reading this list. Handsome trumps all else. If you're a good looking dude pussy will find you! If you're not handsome put your best foot forward and hope for the best.

2) Personality / Charming: You can't change your looks but you can control your attitude. I write this or something like this in almost all my posts because it's true and if you did not know this before. Then you have no game! Be Cool, be Nice, be Funny, stay Positive!

3) Language Skills: Are you kidding me? When I read the posts where some clown says "I speak little to no Spanish will I have a problem meeting non pros?" YES! Imagine going to a job interview and not speaking English. Same shit.

4) Time: Have to put your time in, you have to make the girl feel comfortable with you, time does the trick if you have it. You can't rush these things; women of all countries hate to be rushed. Once again if this is news to you then YOU HAVE NO GAME! If you don't have time then jump in a cab and head to the working girl house.

5) Connections: Friend of a Friend is the BEST way to meet chicks! Always has been; Always will be! Build connections, go to a bar, gym, restaurant and be #2 (see above) but you also need #4 (see above) be cool with another local, the bartender, waitress, buss boy, and if you're lucky you'll get introduced to their circle of friends and BLAMO! You're good! This is how I met my girl, she's a friend of my buddy here in the states, cousin in Colombia. Long story short.

I knew I was "in" when I started getting invited to birthday parties, graduations, ect.

Play the game don't get played.

Member #4394
08-14-11, 18:44
I think psychologists call it biases in representation and illusion, and ordinary people call it sore loser.


A couple of comments here. Many of your points are true. The tall dark handsome bartender kinda guy will always get fine, hot looking pussie. Generally, these types of girls are flashy and sexy as hell. The kind we would all like to bang.

I will disagree with you on one point. Serious girls, or girls of quality (from any social strata) are not as gullible. For these girls, who have a higher social or moral composition, will see through the bullshit. For these serious girls of quality, power and confidence trump looks, language skills and "game" any day. Women of quality might be teachers or doctors or just ordinary girls. These girls can be hot and extremely sexy, too, but are the real keepers in life. These girls can spot quality when it is there. The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair. Also, I hate to break the news to you young studs who have worked so hard at developing "game"; chances are very high you are going to get fat and / or loose your hair when you get 50+! When you are past your prime you will look like shit and have no money. The difference is that the doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy who can afford to take multiple trips per year and laying down multiple thousands $$$ per trip will still be getting the very best hot latin pussy.

Colbrotha
08-15-11, 01:37
You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree with you on disagreeing with me. Hahhaha. I'm trying to keep this light and not to start a full beef iwth EstebanH.

You claim is that "The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair". Your argument is that money will make a person more attractive to smarter / a better quality of woman? ON WHAT PLANET? What dream or drugs are you basing this claim on? Game or Swagger is confidence by definition, you can call it charisma or charm or the gift of gab if you are of the older generation.My Dos Centavos. You both have extremely valid points. The issue is your talking about two different parts of the game, two different beasts. Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game) have pros and cons. The surfer / cool guy has the Game of Youth and Good Looks; The Other has the Game of Wisdom and Experience and C. R. E. A. M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me, WuTang Major Hit Song). One guy is getting pussy thrown at him left and right, the other guy is buying people, assets, countries, etc, ballin out of control, a major shot caller in life.

The older guy can pull BREEZIES all over the world, the younger guy only in his immediate vicinity owing to CASH FLOW issues. The real winner is the sexy, fly woman banging them both, loyal to neither; She has the best of both worlds. Both guys can taste it, most likely neither can hold on to her in the long run. And the irony there, her game will drop as the years kick in, at 40 she'll be a HAS BEEN, with kids, and stretch marks, and getting played by her HUBBY who'll be TAXING another 20 year old. The GAME don't stop, we will all have to improve on our weaknesses before the little blue pill stops working as well, and when that day comes, that' ll be a damn shame.

If you really think about it, neither mix works at the end of the day, only the combination of both.

HAS ANYBODY EVER SEEN THE US TV SHOW CALLED THE MILLIONAIRE MATCHMAKER? Its relevant, because these CATS have no game, not in the US, not in Colombia, not anywhere; hence the demand for this anal-bitchy lady to match up these OBSESSED WORKAHOLIC LOSERS with Millions. If they had any pride (orgullo) , they would OPEN their mouths and give the game of LOVE a shot; or go to the local casas or escort services nearby. Pretty pathetic actually. Hence, all the money in the world won't change your personality or improve YOUR game substantially if you can't hold a conversation, when it is so lacking, as all of those LOSERS are so socially deficient. Anybody can pull up to a hot chick in a Red Ferrari, you still have to get them in the car and have them WILLINGLY drop their panties of their own free will.

Conclusion IMHO, as the earlier posts have mentioned, LOOK IN THE MIRROR, address one's weaknesses, and attack them on a daily basis to be in a constant state of improvement, because from what I've learned when it comes to MONEY, LOOKS, and PERSONALITY, the last item is the only one that can stand on their own. The two example types (OLDER MAN / YOUNG STUD) both have game but are lacking as well, and the Millionaire Matchmaker Losers are lacking in all three AREAS. Peace

LuckyEddie
08-15-11, 04:16
I agree w / everything here except one. It seems that Paisa girls or Colombianas in general, like "white" handsome guys w / light skin.Con ojos claros.

Legal Tender
08-15-11, 06:50
The truth is that the more mature men, while hampered by the effects of age, have a couple of things going for them. They are much more likely to have accumulated wealth, and are more willing to share it. These girls, like women all over the world (except the crazy ones) , want security and protection. In Colombia the flower of the family, could hitch her future to a local novio, but there just not many ways an unconnected Colombian boy can change socio-economic status. And a Colombian dude from a higher strata family is highly unlikely to be serious with some poor girl. Colombians are VERY class conscious.

I believe senior members are more likely to want a long term relationship with and to improve the life of the girl they have chosen, and are able to do it. I'll tell you that the appreciation and gratitude that I have received from my Paisa and her family far exceeds that I have received from my own children, who have never had a need go unmet, and have lived a life of privilege.

The Buddah teaches that the purpose of life is to eliminate the suffering of others. I'm thinking it's time to start a conversation in defense of Western Union novios. Until then,

Only good energy.


A couple of comments here. Many of your points are true. The tall dark handsome bartender kinda guy will always get fine, hot looking pussie. Generally, these types of girls are flashy and sexy as hell. The kind we would all like to bang.

I will disagree with you on one point. Serious girls, or girls of quality (from any social strata) are not as gullible. For these girls, who have a higher social or moral composition, will see through the bullshit. For these serious girls of quality, power and confidence trump looks, language skills and "game" any day. Women of quality might be teachers or doctors or just ordinary girls. These girls can be hot and extremely sexy, too, but are the real keepers in life. These girls can spot quality when it is there. The 50+ year old guy who is powerful and successful in life, is more sexy to them than any cholo-bartender type with good looks and good hair. Also, I hate to break the news to you young studs who have worked so hard at developing "game"; chances are very high you are going to get fat and / or loose your hair when you get 50+! When you are past your prime you will look like shit and have no money. The difference is that the doctor-lawyer-engineer-business owner guy who can afford to take multiple trips per year and laying down multiple thousands $$$ per trip will still be getting the very best hot latin pussy.

LuckyEddie
08-15-11, 15:30
The truth is that the more mature men, while hampered by the effects of age, have a couple of things going for them. They are much more likely to have accumulated wealth, and are more willing to share it. These girls, like women all over the world (except the crazy ones) , want security and protection. In Colombia the flower of the family, could hitch her future to a local novio, but there just not many ways an unconnected Colombian boy can change socio-economic status. And a Colombian dude from a higher strata family is highly unlikely to be serious with some poor girl. Colombians are VERY class conscious.All tremendous points in this quoted excerpt that are spot in. But the majority here are comparing foreigners to foreigners.

Most all of us here are foreigners. Younger or older. In general foreigners feel they are in a different class than colombian men and hardly ever even consider colombian men as "the competition". Most every woman you guys are meeting will tell you how colombian men suck, it's a common thread in many posts here and is the mindset of the board.

Ricker
08-15-11, 16:19
. I believe senior members are more likely to want a long term relationship with and to improve the life of the girl they have chosen, and are able to do it. I'll tell you that the appreciation and gratitude that I have received from my Paisa and her family far exceeds that I have received from my own children, who have never had a need go unmet, and have lived a life of privilege.

The Buddah teaches that the purpose of life is to eliminate the suffering of others. I'm thinking it's time to start a conversation in defense of Western Union novios. Until then,

Only good energy.You said it brother!

Nothing wrong with Western Union and helping someone out, as long you're not getting played, I. E. Your "novia" saying "te amo papi" to 5 other Western Union novios.

There are fantastic girls out there who more than deserve help and whose affection is real, and of course there are the other sharks.

Have fun, and once again, with your eyes open.

Good energy amigos!

LuckyEddie
08-15-11, 16:34
Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game) have pros and cons. The surfer / cool guy has the Game of Youth and Good Looks; The Other has the Game of Wisdom and Experience and C. R. E. A. M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me, WuTang Major Hit Song). One guy is getting pussy thrown at him left and right, the other guy is buying people, assets, countries, etc, ballin out of control, a major shot caller in life.These are the extreme ends:

Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game)

Not every older guy with confidence and cash is a fat bald socially inept bore. Not every young stud has tremendous game and is broke with no means.

Also to most eligible Colombianans a guy making 80K 100K 200K, well it's all the same to them. An 80K generous guy can take her on vacation and go StudioF a few times a year, movies 2X a month and dinner once a week and buy her gifts. If it is that guy's nature. A millionaire can be cheap. No one is showing their financials to these girls and pretty much what we say we do and have back home they need to take that as fact. So, to the Colombiana the guy spending $, (who may not be the one who is the millionaire) in her eyes is the better guy (in the money category that is). Just like the girl who has the bigger tits and tighter snatch and swallows is the better choice over another girl who may have better attributes somewhere else.

I don't know ANY guy here who would settle for a fat ugly woman 10 years his junior. Regardless if she is a good cook, punctual, sincere, loving, faithful and everything else women think is important. Becuase THAT is not important to us.

Most guys here cannot tell the difference between the estrato 2/3 vs 4/5 and know what? Who cares? All that matters is her ass, how she looks and how she is in the sack. Most don't give a crap if she gets her nails done at a salon or her sister does them for her en casa.


because these CATS have no game, not in the US, not in Colombia, not anywhere; Pretty pathetic actually. Hence, all the money in the world won't change your personality or improve YOUR game substantially if you can't hold a conversation, when it is so lacking, as all of those LOSERS are so socially deficient. Anybody can pull up to a hot chick in a Red Ferrari, you still have to get them in the car and have them WILLINGLY drop their panties of their own free will.Gordon Gecko to Bud Fox: "You had what it takes to get into my office. Do you have what it takes to stay"

Think about this guys, in regards to being with a non pro in any country. "I know a beautiful face and a nice body open a lot of doors but if she doesn't have the heart or the brains to back it up the whole bimbo thing gets real tired real fast." -author unknown.

Same for her. Super rich guy in a Ferrari is good to get in the front door but if he is putting her feet to sleep he will always just be a wallet she has no respect for and behind his back she is doinking the pool boy. Guevon.

Ditto the young blond haired rock body 25 year old sufer dude will also get in the door but if he is only in town once every 4 months for a week or if he can't take her out and they are sitting home watching videos every night then she might as well get herself a Colombiano who she can at least talk to.

If you are one of the two above you better count the days until she meets the guys that have the whole package. The guys with game in their 30s in good shape, with money who are also generous with it, have a personality and charisma, dance, speak fluent spanish that are in the same league as these girls with only a 10-20 year age difference who live full time in Colombia.

Member #4394
08-15-11, 17:13
I think a distiction between the realm of objectivity and the realm of wishful thinking is getting unclear here. Who are maintaining / supporting that rich guys are more popular / sexy than handsome guys? Well, they are "gordo, viejo, feo gringos" (according to the words by some chicas in mayorista, centro casas, and CB, but not mine) with money. These girls say that the guys / gringos in question must pay more because no girls want to deal with them. Howver, having money is good. You can buy illusion. You can spend money, and believe that it makes you look sexy. Plus you buy beers to others, and they never disagree with you on anything. Congrats.

BTW, why isn't James Bond a fat, ugly, bald billionaire?


The truth is that the more mature men, while hampered by the effects of age, have a couple of things going for them. They are much more likely to have accumulated wealth, and are more willing to share it. These girls, like women all over the world (except the crazy ones) , want security and protection. In Colombia the flower of the family, could hitch her future to a local novio, but there just not many ways an unconnected Colombian boy can change socio-economic status. And a Colombian dude from a higher strata family is highly unlikely to be serious with some poor girl. Colombians are VERY class conscious.

I believe senior members are more likely to want a long term relationship with and to improve the life of the girl they have chosen, and are able to do it. I'll tell you that the appreciation and gratitude that I have received from my Paisa and her family far exceeds that I have received from my own children, who have never had a need go unmet, and have lived a life of privilege.

The Buddah teaches that the purpose of life is to eliminate the suffering of others. I'm thinking it's time to start a conversation in defense of Western Union novios. Until then,

Only good energy.

EstebanH
08-15-11, 17:51
I think a distiction between the realm of objectivity and the realm of wishful thinking is getting unclear here. Who are maintaining / supporting that rich guys are more popular / sexy than handsome guys? Well, they are "gordo, viejo, feo gringos" (according to the words by some chicas in mayorista, centro casas, and CB, but not mine) with money. These girls say that the guys / gringos in question must pay more because no girls want to deal with them. Howver, having money is good. You can buy illusion. You can spend money, and believe that it makes you look sexy. Plus you buy beers to others, and they never disagree with you on anything. Congrats.

BTW, why isn't James Bond a fat, ugly, bald billionaire?Ok Matt,

I will make more distinctions in regards to my comments. Fat, disgusting men of any age will always be revolting to girls. Lets differentiate older successful guys with added weight and thin / no hair. Most of the guys that I am referring to that go down there are successful, fine gentlemen that have good personalities, hygiene and disposable income. These are the men who have created and sustain the traveling P4P industry. Of course its an illusion. Were it not for these guys, this forum would not exist.

When I look around at young people today in the States there are more obese guys of the younger generation than there ever was when I was coming of age (1970's). I am 56, I have less than 20% body fat, I run six miles 4 days each week, I can bench press over 200 lbs and still have all my hair.

BTW. James Bond is a fictional character played by genetically gifted and highly paid actors.

Member #4394
08-15-11, 18:11
Ok Matt,

I will make more distinctions in regards to my comments. Fat, disgusting men of any age will always be revolting to girls. Lets differentiate older successful guys with added weight and thin / no hair. Most of the guys that I am referring to that go down there are successful, fine gentlemen that have good personalities, hygiene and disposable income. These are the men who have created and sustain the traveling P4P industry. Of course its an illusion. Were it not for these guys, this forum would not exist.You are failing to reject / invalidate my point. Rather you are supporting my point.


I am 56, I have less than 20% body fat, I run six miles 4 days each week, I can bench press over 200 lbs and still have all my hair.That's great. You are better than my shape. I only run 1-2 miles evry day. Even if you are not rich (in colombian standard) girls will be after you.


BTW. James Bond is a fictional character played by genetically gifted and highly paid actors.I did not know that he was fictional. I thought he was playing cards and drinking Martini in Monaco this week.

Sailor Jim
08-15-11, 21:02
These are the extreme ends:

Both types (Older / distinguised / experienced/$$game vs. Younger / Yoked Out / Handsome / Broke as a Joke Game)

Not every older guy with confidence and cash is a fat bald socially inept bore. Not every young stud has tremendous game and is broke with no means.

Also to most eligible Colombianans a guy making 80K 100K 200K, well it's all the same to them. An 80K generous guy can take her on vacation and go StudioF a few times a year, movies 2X a month and dinner once a week and buy her gifts. If it is that guy's nature. A millionaire can be cheap. No one is showing their financials to these girls and pretty much what we say we do and have back home they need to take that as fact. So, to the Colombiana the guy spending $, (who may not be the one who is the millionaire) in her eyes is the better guy (in the money category that is). Just like the girl who has the bigger tits and tighter snatch and swallows is the better choice over another girl who may have better attributes somewhere else.

I don't know ANY guy here who would settle for a fat ugly woman 10 years his junior. Regardless if she is a good cook, punctual, sincere, loving, faithful and everything else women think is important. Becuase THAT is not important to us.

Most guys here cannot tell the difference between the estrato 2/3 vs 4/5 and know what? Who cares? All that matters is her ass, how she looks and how she is in the sack. Most don't give a crap if she gets her nails done at a salon or her sister does them for her en casa.

Gordon Gecko to Bud Fox: "You had what it takes to get into my office. Do you have what it takes to stay"

Think about this guys, in regards to being with a non pro in any country. "I know a beautiful face and a nice body open a lot of doors but if she doesn't have the heart or the brains to back it up the whole bimbo thing gets real tired real fast." -author unknown.

Same for her. Super rich guy in a Ferrari is good to get in the front door but if he is putting her feet to sleep he will always just be a wallet she has no respect for and behind his back she is doinking the pool boy. Guevon.

Ditto the young blond haired rock body 25 year old sufer dude will also get in the door but if he is only in town once every 4 months for a week or if he can't take her out and they are sitting home watching videos every night then she might as well get herself a Colombiano who she can at least talk to.

If you are one of the two above you better count the days until she meets the guys that have the whole package. The guys with game in their 30s in good shape, with money who are also generous with it, have a personality and charisma, dance, speak fluent spanish that are in the same league as these girls with only a 10-20 year age difference who live full time in Colombia.Not every older guy is a stump and not every younger guy has a clue.

Sailor Jim
08-15-11, 22:35
I went to Italy and France about 5 years ago. Not once did I feel the need to log onto ANY website or read ANY book about how to meet women (non pros. As if they need a label).

The fact that one needs to ask that question means you don't have game and probably have issues with the ladies back home. You prob have not figured out how to be a man or how to treat a woman. And you know what? It's already too late. There is no class on how to step it up. It is and will always be an obvious act you cannot sustain.

Does James Bond or Brad Pitt need to search the web to find out how to meet girls for their upcoming vacation? I think not.

If you have to ask you are most likely going to have a problem and should stick to pros. Colombia is Colombia not Pluto and women are women. The only reason to ask about Non Pros in another country is if you have problems with non pros in your own country.

Sorry for the harsh words, but they had to be said.

SlamCity7777
08-15-11, 23:25
I went to Italy and France about 5 years ago. Not once did I feel the need to log onto ANY website or read ANY book about how to meet women (non pros. As if they need a label).

The fact that one needs to ask that question means you don't have game and probably have issues with the ladies back home. You prob have not figured out how to be a man or how to treat a woman. And you know what? It's already too late. There is no class on how to step it up. It is and will always be an obvious act you cannot sustain.

Does James Bond or Brad Pitt need to search the web to find out how to meet girls for their upcoming vacation? I think not.

If you have to ask you are most likely going to have a problem and should stick to pros. Colombia is Colombia not Pluto and women are women. The only reason to ask about Non Pros in another country is if you have problems with non pros in your own country.

Sorry for the harsh words, but they had to be said.What a can of worms we've opned! How is this so hard for some of you guys to understand? Ya'll acting like a gang of monkeys trying to figure out an algebra problem in ancient Latin! Salor Jim you post is spot on! I applaud your "tough love" tone in this post. It did have to be said.

How does that expression go?"If you have to ask how much it is than you can' afford it." Same principle applies, but with girls instead of money; if you're asking how, where, when, to meet normal girls then chances are you'd fail if you ever did find yourself with some normal girls (non working girls!). We use this forum to find quality working girls! Normal girls are everywhere! Professional working girls are not! That is why we need and enjoy this community; to find Sexy Chicks who screw for money and for us to stay safe while doing so!

We are talking about non-pros / normal girls/ not working girls. Keep this in mind it seems some people are are wavering between the two and this is an important distinction.

Those in the "Older Rich Gentlemen" camp: Your money will only take you to the door (pussy) , the person you are will determine if that door opens and you get to stroll in. Same with the "Younger Normal Gentlemen" Same shit. You're looks will take you to the door but if you same some lame / jerk style stuff you're not getting laid.

If you're in good shape. 45-55, and you might be mistaken for the "Worlds Most Interesting Ma" and you have disposable income then good for you! I'm betting you're not. When push comes to shove for a one night stand or to start off a relationship or just hooking up. Handsome and stupid will trump Rich and Nice. For the short term. Long term. Too many factors to generalize. But we're talking meeting non-pros so.

It's that simple, the person you are IS what is important in life; all aspects of life not just picking up chicks. At the end of the day you die and if you have lead a life of being cool and helping other people you'll die a rich person and we well thought of. If you were some rich jerk in life for all of your life you'll die a rich jerk and be remembered as such!

The last thing about Regular Girls: If you have never picked up a girl (either phone number, hook up, or sex) at a bar, restaurant, club, coffee shop, super market, random location / ect. You're not going to be able to do it in a foreign country where you have little to no language skills and for shit sure the girl does not either! No matter how rich or handsome you are regardless of age!

Member #4394
08-15-11, 23:47
I think you are missing the point. If a rich old guy is sexier than a young or middle-aged handsome guy, as some members believe, why isn't Bond a big, old billionaire? Thanks.


I went to Italy and France about 5 years ago. Not once did I feel the need to log onto ANY website or read ANY book about how to meet women (non pros. As if they need a label).

The fact that one needs to ask that question means you don't have game and probably have issues with the ladies back home. You prob have not figured out how to be a man or how to treat a woman. And you know what? It's already too late. There is no class on how to step it up. It is and will always be an obvious act you cannot sustain.

Does James Bond or Brad Pitt need to search the web to find out how to meet girls for their upcoming vacation? I think not.

If you have to ask you are most likely going to have a problem and should stick to pros. Colombia is Colombia not Pluto and women are women. The only reason to ask about Non Pros in another country is if you have problems with non pros in your own country.

Sorry for the harsh words, but they had to be said.

Bango Cheito
08-16-11, 00:57
1) If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money.

2) Where the fuck does this "I'm the man so I should pay for dates" etc shit come from? Do you guys know what YEAR it is? If you're paying for shit with a woman, you should just go with p4p. PERIOD! If a guy and a girl don't have money to do anything and wind up watching videos every night, how the hell is that not every bit as much the woman's responsibility as it is the man's?

3) The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed. This comes with experience, and p4p is the BEST for really ramping up your abilities quickly, especially if you take things on that tip instead of just looking out for your own pleasure.

4) YMMV is ALL ABOUT the fact that a lot of guys may have a lot of money, but money can't buy everything. This is why we see so many reports about chica X in casa Y where one guy gets BBBJTCIMNQNS and GFE and all the other acronyms and some other dude gets rushed out the door almost before he pops. The biggie is maintaining your body in good shape, and this can still be done WAY past 50.

5) Colombian women by and large PREFER Colombian men. They like a guy they can talk to, that has a whole culture in common with them. Not to mention Colombians take a lot better care of themselves than North Americans, and that includes the men. ASIDE FROM THEIR MONEY most foreingers are actually at a DISADVANTAGE on the dating market here. You may get some action on the "exotic factor" but that doesn't go as far as you might think it will.

John Gault
08-16-11, 03:54
Pro, non pro, Game, no game. Old and fat or young stud. Who really gives a fuck but the guy himself. You guys can write about this till your blue in the face, and guess what? No one will change his opinion because of what the opposing side writes.

All I can say is I will be in Colombia next month, and I will send out trip reports with facts. Not how many orgasimos I gave the girls, but prices, locations and general news that a true monger can use.

Viajero
08-16-11, 11:06
What a fair $amount to give a young and pretty Paisita to spend a week vacation with con sexo?

Lexb
08-16-11, 11:16
All I can say is I will be in Colombia next month, and I will send out trip reports with facts. Not how many orgasimos I gave the girls, but prices, locations and general news that a true monger can use.

All I can say is that I wish all posters had this intention as I'm soooo sick of reading about performances, techniques and "sexual scorecards" that I could vomit!

So, PLEASE, PLEASE and PLEASE guys, we, in general, know how to perform the sex act so we don't need "Penthouse Forumesq-like" reports.

To quote Jack Webb through his character of Sgt. Joe Friday."Just the facts" (and I know I'm really dating myself with this). just exactly what JG is going to do!

Speedbump
08-16-11, 15:34
I was in CTG last October during the elections. All alcohol sales were prohibited from Midnight Friday until Midnight Sunday. All clubs were closed. Does any-one know the dates of the eletion this year?

LuckyEddie
08-16-11, 16:47
i was in ctg last october during the elections. all alcohol sales were prohibited from midnight friday until midnight sunday. all clubs were closed. does any-one know the dates of the eletion this year?octubre 29. inicia la ley seca.

octubre 30. inmunidad de comisiones escrutadoras.

octubre 30. día de la eleccióand.

octubre 31. la comisióand escrutadora debe asistir a la sede de la registraduría.

octubre 31. fin de la ley seca.

drink in the bars on 27th friday night

dry all weekend even liquor stores.

drink again monday the 31st.

technically it is against the law to sell and drink, so if you are having a party keep the noise down. not that anyone ever gets busted for drinking in the privacy of their own home but if you have an obnoxios gringo party and some cops with a hard on.

Bango Cheito
08-17-11, 02:20
All I can say is that I wish all posters had this intention as I'm soooo sick of reading about performances, techniques and "sexual scorecards" that I could vomit!

So, PLEASE, PLEASE and PLEASE guys, we, in general, know how to perform the sex act so we don't need "Penthouse Forumesq-like" reports.

To quote Jack Webb through his character of Sgt. Joe Friday."Just the facts" (and I know I'm really dating myself with this). Just exactly what JG is going to do!That's what the Reports sections are for. This is the General Info section.

Colbrotha
08-17-11, 02:55
That's what the Reports sections are for. This is the General Info section.I agree 100. The GAME has many facets to it. Senior members have contributed a lot of their mongering wisdom to newbies in this forum. We all stand to improve in as much as we are concerned about the best / safest places / best deals / juicy and non-juicy details of one's endeavors in these casas. All experiences should be welcome including the questions about "Where to go to meet non-pros?"

Has anybody ever gotten a freebie from a pro? I'm sure many have and many will. Inquiring minds want to know. Peace.

Bobsthrobbinknob
08-17-11, 04:05
1) If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money.

2) Where the fuck does this "I'm the man so I should pay for dates" etc shit come from? Do you guys know what YEAR it is? If you're paying for shit with a woman, you should just go with p4p. PERIOD! If a guy and a girl don't have money to do anything and wind up watching videos every night, how the hell is that not every bit as much the woman's responsibility as it is the man's?

3) The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed. This comes with experience, and p4p is the BEST for really ramping up your abilities quickly, especially if you take things on that tip instead of just looking out for your own pleasure.

4) YMMV is ALL ABOUT the fact that a lot of guys may have a lot of money, but money can't buy everything. This is why we see so many reports about chica X in casa Y where one guy gets BBBJTCIMNQNS and GFE and all the other acronyms and some other dude gets rushed out the door almost before he pops. The biggie is maintaining your body in good shape, and this can still be done WAY past 50.

5) Colombian women by and large PREFER Colombian men. They like a guy they can talk to, that has a whole culture in common with them. Not to mention Colombians take a lot better care of themselves than North Americans, and that includes the men. ASIDE FROM THEIR MONEY most foreingers are actually at a DISADVANTAGE on the dating market here. You may get some action on the "exotic factor" but that doesn't go as far as you might think it will.Wow, I have a very different experience there. Better that is

Voyajer1
08-17-11, 08:09
We've talked about this one over and over and over again. The GFE, getting the most bang for the buck, right? This is all about the paying customer and how he's perceived by the provider. If you treat the the provider like a lady, well YMMV.

Was there a connection with her before the encounter?

Can you communicate with her in her language?

How good is HER reputation as far as her mattress skills?

How good is your reputation, how do THEY perceive you?

Did you guys communicate and agree on everything that was to take place in the sack before you went there with her?

Did you nickel and dime her or you both agreed on the $$$ in an ammicable fashion before the deed?

I can go on and on on all the criteria for a nice encounter with a provider. But one thing I can tell mention from my experience is that you can attract a lot more bees with honey than with black pepper.

Showing indifference while with her will get you a certain response from her, ie, not caring if she got off for example. Not that that's what we are paying for; we are in this for OUR pleasure. Period, Are we not? However, making the effort to insure that the experience was enjoyable for the both of you, will yield more satisfying and prolonged encounters than not. That much is certain IMHO.

There have been times when my time was up on plenty of those cheap casas (Several countries) and since she was having such a great time, SHE will extend the time for HER enjoyment, no extra charge. They end up wanting to be your friend for the trip (Don't get tooo attached, though, if you like to stick and move like I do) ; but it gives you the option of a sure fire, guaranteed, atomic hot encounter when you feel like repeating with that provider. I know I'm doing things right by the amount of cream that squirts out of their privates, we need towel (s) to keep things tydy. I am not saying this happens 100% all the time, but I do get my fare share of really wet spots in the cama if you know what I mean.

The point I'm trying to make is this: Put a little effort into making the expereince enjoyable for her and your milleage will most definetly go much further than if you just don't care.


You are a paying customer, you gave her a 100K. How much does it cost her or how much effort is it to mutter the sentence "I had 2 orgasms"? I just said it (I was lying) and you know what? I can say it again. And again with little or no effort.

Was very close to a working girl who I think still does a mansion lesbo show. Told me that out of the 100 time they say they come they come once. Surely it was you.

Q: How des a real man satisfy a puta?

A: A real man doesn't care.

John Gault
08-17-11, 12:49
I agree 100. The GAME has many facets to it. Senior members have contributed a lot of their mongering wisdom to newbies in this forum. We all stand to improve in as much as we are concerned about the best / safest places / best deals / juicy and non-juicy details of one's endeavors in these casas. All experiences should be welcome including the questions about "Where to go to meet non-pros?"

Has anybody ever gotten a freebie from a pro? I'm sure many have and many will. Inquiring minds want to know. Peace.Only one women in Mayorista gave me a few free ones. In the past I had taken her a few times. This night I bought her a drink, and for some reason I was a little down in the dumps. She said lets go, and I said I did not want to. She said come on I won't charge you. This happened twice. After that I did a threesome with her and I paid for that one. She seemed into girls herself as she was really into it with the other chica. Her name is Gloria, and she is in her late 30's or early 40's. She cuts hair at the Prado metro station so she is only a part time Pro now. She speaks some English, and has told me in the past she was a Fase Dos girl. Thinking about it now when I'm in MDE on my next trip I will give her a spin.

That makes sense as at my age I rarely take the 18 year old models. I feel much more comfortable with women in their late 20's or the 30's. This really holds true when I take one to go dancing. For me to make a night of it with a friendly Chica is great fun.

Sky Ryder
08-17-11, 13:02
What a can of worms we've opned! How is this so hard for some of you guys to understand? Ya'll acting like a gang of monkeys trying to figure out an algebra problem in ancient Latin! Salor Jim you post is spot on! I applaud your "tough love" tone in this post. It did have to be said.I am curious at what point either of you were appointed as the "one" that determined the purpose of this "open" forum. Last time I checked that person was the owner of the forum. To suppose that you can impose your idea of purpose as the mores of the many is fraught with arrogance.

I am not James Bond and neither did I sleep at a H. I. Express last night, but I can tell you that if you try to run the same "game" on girls in every country, that you run on the ones "back home", you will find yourself sleeping alone in some places. I suspect that was the purpose of the questions, to get some hints on how to approach a lady on "her turf" and not insult her or embarrass her.

Now I will admit that some things seem to be accepted world wide, but even being a gentleman is taken as a sign of weakness in some cultures, and in others the order of the day.

I didn't find it to be "tough love" at all, more over just someone trying to propose their opinion as fact. Just my humble opinion!

Speedbump
08-17-11, 14:40
Thanks Eddie. I couldn't find that info anywhere. Cartagena was still fun, but it was a little more work.


Octubre 29. Inicia la ley seca.

Octubre 30. Inmunidad de comisiones escrutadoras.

Octubre 30. Día de la eleccióand.

Octubre 31. La comisióand escrutadora debe asistir a la sede de la Registraduría.

Octubre 31. Fin de la ley seca.

Drink in the bars on 27th Friday night

Dry all weekend EVEN LIQUOR STORES.

Drink Again Monday the 31st.

Technically it is against the law to sell AND DRINK, so if you are having a party keep the noise down. Not that anyone ever gets busted for drinking in the privacy of their own home but if you have an obnoxios gringo party and some cops with a hard on.

Hioctane
08-17-11, 16:20
Only one women in Mayorista gave me a few free ones. In the past I had taken her a few times. This night I bought her a drink, and for some reason I was a little down in the dumps. She said lets go, and I said I did not want to. She said come on I won't charge you. This happened twice. After that I did a threesome with her and I paid for that one. She seemed into girls herself as she was really into it with the other chica. Her name is Gloria, and she is in her late 30's or early 40's. She cuts hair at the Prado metro station so she is only a part time Pro now. She speaks some English, and has told me in the past she was a Fase Dos girl. Thinking about it now when I'm in MDE on my next trip I will give her a spin.

That makes sense as at my age I rarely take the 18 year old models. I feel much more comfortable with women in their late 20's or the 30's. This really holds true when I take one to go dancing. For me to make a night of it with a friendly Chica is great fun.Comfort is not from their exact age. It's from their relative age to you. If your'e in your 30s. You can get away with a 18year old chica. If you're 60, you should be going after someone in their 40s. It's more comfortable for all involved. No staring and the obvious,"that is her john" look. It's fun to go out without the judgement.

Here's my freebie story. I went to a stripclub and there was this hottie no one was paying much attention to. She was a bit reserved. I opened a bottle with her. I forget why but I didn't take her that night. We had a nice talk. Next night I did the same thing. Near closing, I asked if she wanted to finish the bottle at my place. She said sure but she had to stay until past closing. To my surprise she did come and paid for her own taxi! It was a great night. She never asked for money. In the morning, I gave her taxi money and whatever I had left from the previous night (about 50k). She never looked. After that, I just give her 50k for taxi when she comes over. She is so sweet. I'll probably get her a gift next time. I could have probably got away with not paying anything, but I know she needs the money.

Bango Cheito
08-17-11, 19:48
My freebie experiences: I met my ex in a videochat and later married her. She worked either in chat or hooking the whole 5 years we were together. After we fell in love she gave me everything for free. In NYC I had a few hookers who I met at the underground club circuit (almost nonexistent now) who later we became friends and in some instances FWB. I'm good in bed and I like to be really freaky which appeals to pros who have to go though the same fuck-and-suck routine day in and day out. Also there were a couple girls from around the country here who charge for it under other circumstances but they gave it to me for free, including one stunner who charged a million or two a night to traquetos and executives.

Mr Enternational
08-17-11, 19:53
Comfort is not from their exact age. It's from their relative age to you. If your'e in your 30s. You can get away with a 18year old chica. If you're 60, you should be going after someone in their 40s. It's more comfortable for all involved. No staring and the obvious,"that is her john" look. It's fun to go out without the judgement.I have made a decision and I no longer give a fuck. I am 39 now, but when I turn 60 I will get married to the finest 30 year old I can find from Thailand, Colombia, or Brazil. And I will not be marrying a dumb ass hooker either.

My influence is a TV show called Modern Family (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1442437/) where Ed O'Neil (65 in real life. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0642145/) portrays an older, retired gentleman who is married to a much younger Colombian woman played by Sofia Vergara (39 in real life http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005527/).

I have 21 years left to live out my fantasies and after will be the biggest fantasy of them all.

SlamCity7777
08-17-11, 22:52
I have made a decision and I no longer give a fuck. I am 39 now, but when I turn 60 I will get married to the finest 30 year old I can find from Thailand, Colombia, or Brazil. And I will not be marrying a dumb ass hooker either.

My influence is a TV show called Modern Family

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1442437/

Where Ed O'Neil (65 in real life.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0642145/

Portrays an older, retired gentleman who is married to a much younger Colombian woman played by Sofia Vergara (39 in real life.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005527/


I have 21 years left to live out my fantasies and after will be the biggest fantasy of them all.Whoa BUNDY! I love Modern Family. Yeah dude I feel you. I see friends and assorted friends or friends marring these chics who I wouldn't even fuck for fun or practice and he's marring her! Go for yours! Do what you feel! Hater going to hate; true playas going to shine!

Colbrotha
08-18-11, 02:43
My freebie experience: It happened in March of this year. I met a girl in a casa in Bucaramanga. She was trying to figure me out all night. She kept asking me where are you from? I kept telling her to guess and crap like that. My accent isn't a gringo one and I don't look gringo, well not exactly anyways. Because I'm mixed Colombian / Korean / Samoan. But obviously, we give it away little by little, clothes we wear, swagger, different points of view, etc. Continuing with the story, after polishing a bottle of Rum and Coke, we do the deed and I paid. I came too quick, and she didn't like that. We go back to the table, Polish off another bottle, and she whispers to me that its a sexual fantasy (sueno erotico) of hers to bang an ORIENTAL fellow (whatever, I guess, haven't heard that one before, the shit you hear from pros in Colombia) ; that she wants to tax all night when she gets off work. So we do, and its great, she never asked for anything, gave her taxi fare in the morning. I saw her a few more times after that, never paid her for anything else, but I did give her money because she has 3 kids.

It was starting to turn into something else in her eyes unfortunately. I realized that I wasn't going to be Captain Save-A-Ho, so it ended. She even threw the "M" word in conversation, so I knew it was time to run, plus my vacation of one month was coming to and end. I guess my experience is something beyond a freebie, because she was starting to get serious and she had stopped / or at least said she was going to stop being a pro. A different flip to the freebie idea, still wanted to share it to the forum. Peace.

P. S. From the words of TOO SHORT (infamous Bay Area rapper) :"You can't turn a ho into a housewife", and I really liked this girl, but las manas, las manas, thats the worse about it all.

Amb832
08-20-11, 08:13
I will be visiting Colombia for the first time in February. Just wondering which of these cities would be the best for a newbie?

LuckyEddie
08-20-11, 16:02
I will be visiting Colombia for the first time in February. Just wondering which of these cities would be the best for a newbie?Cartagena is the safest of the three has a beach, lots of women in bikinis and guys seem to get freebies from beach girls somehow, don't ask me.

Cartagena has nice scenery besides the women, the walled city, clubs and shops. The best thing is that top notch women from all over the country go there to work. So you have beauties from Medellin, Bogotá, Cali, Manizales, La Costa. You name it.

There are top end hotel / restuarants / P4P venues and cheaper hotel / Restaurants / P4P venues. Many things are close together but a cab ride in all 3 is gosh darn inexpensive. If a variety of women with little learning curve is what you are looking for you can't can't wrong in Cartagena.

You need to pick what is right for you.

Legal Tender
08-22-11, 06:39
1) If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money.

2) Where the fuck does this "I'm the man so I should pay for dates" etc shit come from? Do you guys know what YEAR it is? If you're paying for shit with a woman, you should just go with p4p. PERIOD! If a guy and a girl don't have money to do anything and wind up watching videos every night, how the hell is that not every bit as much the woman's responsibility as it is the man's?

3) The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed. This comes with experience, and p4p is the BEST for really ramping up your abilities quickly, especially if you take things on that tip instead of just looking out for your own pleasure.

4) YMMV is ALL ABOUT the fact that a lot of guys may have a lot of money, but money can't buy everything. This is why we see so many reports about chica X in casa Y where one guy gets BBBJTCIMNQNS and GFE and all the other acronyms and some other dude gets rushed out the door almost before he pops. The biggie is maintaining your body in good shape, and this can still be done WAY past 50.

5) Colombian women by and large PREFER Colombian men. They like a guy they can talk to, that has a whole culture in common with them. Not to mention Colombians take a lot better care of themselves than North Americans, and that includes the men. ASIDE FROM THEIR MONEY most foreingers are actually at a DISADVANTAGE on the dating market here. You may get some action on the "exotic factor" but that doesn't go as far as you might think it will.Superficial opinions usually amuse me, but this missive just illustrates the different experiences and expectations that we bring to Colombia. One one end of the spectrum is the guy who comes to Colombia with the intention of meeting his beautiful princess and living happy ever after in his country, of course. On the other end is the true sex tourist who sees these beautiful Colombian girls as the ideal sex worker. They treat them as the sex workers that many of them are, and as Bango opines, if you can fuck them well enough, then the professionalism disappears and they all want to have your baby. Either of these extremes are rooted in profound narcissism.

Bango is right, Money can't buy everything. But, it's way ahead of what's in second place. It can buy a whole lot in Colombia. I speak with some experience, although my Colombian girl is now studying in the USA But, I'm happy that on the first of the month, I'm at the Western Union sending the administration fee for the apartment I bought for her and in which her family is now living. I always send a few extra pesos. And before you suggest that I'm getting played, I don't do any damn thing in life that I don't want to do. I'm happy knowing that whenever my Colombiana chooses to go wherever she decides to travel on the journey of her life, she has a casa. It's something everyone should have, don't you think?

My point is simply this: most of us are more financially secure than most of the young women we meet. If there is one that you find that is worth your attention, just a little financial assistance goes a long way. Anyone knows pretty quickly if he has found a "normal" girl that is just working at the mall or some other legitimate job, or is going to school. Or, one that just practices the fantasy that they are serious about their future. I'm just say'in, try a little love. Try to enhance someone else's life. You get the intimacy that money or being a sexual athlete can't obtain, and you get the sex from a girl that actually believes that someone cares about them, without this notion of a house with a white picket fence or a marriage. I believe this approach is consistent with my philosophy of.

Only good energy!

Mr Enternational
08-22-11, 10:53
If I take a two week vacation I might go to Bogota one week and Medellin the other week. Or would it be better staying in one city for two weeks?Diversify your portfolio. No need to stay in one place for two weeks. Then too I wouldn't stay in Bogota for an entire week. For two weeks I would say Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Cali if you have never been to either of them.

Amb832
08-22-11, 14:30
Diversify your portfolio. No need to stay in one place for two weeks. Then too I wouldn't stay in Bogota for an entire week. For two weeks I would say Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Cali if you have never been to either of them.This will be my first trip to Colombia. You're right I will probably hit up different cities. Just trying to get an idea of what cities would be good for a newbie. I think I will definitely go to Medellin for the majority of my visit then fly to another nearby city. I would like to go to a beach town, but they seem to be out of the way.

Newbie questions.

Do Colombian women pro or non pro initiate convo with gringos like in other countries or are they more reserved?

Is it easy to tell a pro from a non pro if I'm walking down the street, in a bar or club, or just hanging out somewhere? I don't want to disrespect any woman assuming she's a working girl.

Hioctane
08-22-11, 16:18
This will be my first trip to Colombia. You're right I will probably hit up different cities. Just trying to get an idea of what cities would be good for a newbie. I think I will definitely go to Medellin for the majority of my visit then fly to another nearby city. I would like to go to a beach town, but they seem to be out of the way.

Newbie questions.

Do Colombian women pro or non pro initiate convo with gringos like in other countries or are they more reserved?

Is it easy to tell a pro from a non pro if I'm walking down the street, in a bar or club, or just hanging out somewhere? I don't want to disrespect any woman assuming she's a working girl.Colombian women are more reserved. You will need to initiate.

It is really hard to tell a pro from a non pro unless you are in a pro area like Mayorista. If you see a girl with a gringo, there is a good chance she is a pro. Especially if the dude doesn't speak Spanish.

Ricker
08-22-11, 16:29
Superficial opinions usually amuse me, but this missive just illustrates the different experiences and expectations that we bring to Colombia ...

... My point is simply this: most of us are more financially secure than most of the young women we meet. If there is one that you find that is worth your attention, just a little financial assistance goes a long way. Anyone knows pretty quickly if he has found a "normal" girl that is just working at the mall or some other legitimate job, or is going to school. Or, one that just practices the fantasy that they are serious about their future. I'm just say'in, try a little love. Try to enhance someone else's life. You get the intimacy that money or being a sexual athlete can't obtain, and you get the sex from a girl that actually believes that someone cares about them, without this notion of a house with a white picket fence or a marriage. I believe this approach is consistent with my philosophy of.

Only good energy!You've got a good heart LT.

I liked your post.
Nothing wrong at all with helping out the deserving.
Great energy and very rewarding as well.

Amb832
08-22-11, 20:18
Colombian women are more reserved. You will need to initiate.

It is really hard to tell a pro from a non pro unless you are in a pro area like Mayorista. If you see a girl with a gringo, there is a good chance she is a pro. Especially if the dude doesn't speak Spanish.That's the only thing that might keep my from approaching a Colombian woman and start a convo. I know little Spanish now. Enough to ask basic questions and make some comments. My trip is not until February so I got 6 months to get better. Worse case if my Spanish is still not that great I will just call up an escort service.

Just wondering has anyone had any good luck meeting women from dominicancupid. Com?

SlamCity7777
08-23-11, 14:04
That's the only thing that might keep my from approaching a Colombian woman and start a convo. I know little Spanish now. Enough to ask basic questions and make some comments. My trip is not until February so I got 6 months to get better. Worse case if my Spanish is still not that great I will just call up an escort service.

Just wondering has anyone had any good luck meeting women from dominicancupid. Com?I need to say thank you to the Amb832; I think he's the first member who has EVER posted anything along the lines of trying to learn or get better at Spanish! WELL DONE SIR! Most the payasos on this board think their "gringo spanish" or a translator app on their big boy phone will be enough. You're on the right track. Learn or improve your language skills if you want a NORMAL GIRL! Not that hard to understand!

A friendly tip; Don't waste that time you have in your house speaking into a computer head set or filling out _____ in a work book or watching Telemundo or Univision. These thing help but are foundation builders and not indicative of real life. I can read about doing open heart surgery but when it comes time for "live fire" well as you can imagine it's not the same. Spanish is WAY faster in real life and full of slang and accents. I have lived in Peru, Argentina, Colombia, and Mexico (long visits over a month in duration several times*) and have a minor in Spanish so excuse me if I'm a bit of a know it all. Go to a Mexican Restaurant or any restaurant or any where you can chat with some native spanish speakers. Make friends with them and just talk to them like they were your english speaking friends, how's your day? That guys a jerk, have you seen this or that show or movie? Ext. Get known and chat them up. Your language skills will improve SO FAST!

What I did: I worked in several restaurants in college and had my co-workers help me with my home work and assignments, helped them with their english and paper work for visas / taxes and that sort of bullshit we became actual friends and we started to hang out, got invited to parties and clubs (Only non Spanish guy in a club full of want to-be-gangsters!) , played soccer on the weekends. Ect. One of those buddies from Colombia had me bring a bunch of crap to his moms house and when I did they were so pleased to hear stories of her son and how he was doing well in America and had American buddies (pretty much only me) they had me over for diner a few night later. THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends was there to meet me! I'm 2ish years with my novia (not a working girl cause I know her family! She works at a hair salon 6 day a week 10 hours a day for short money. You have to respect that hustle). Novia could easily be a girl at a car show / trade show or a want to be model, that level of hot and sexy. I am very luck she is a good girl from a good family who I can trust. She never asks questions when I tell her some bold faced lies to go to the working girl house with my boys. What more could a monger ask for?

My older buddy did the same thing in a way. He spoke 0% spanish, went into this Tai restaurant pretty much every night late for diner. The lady and her husband (from DR) worked there and their little kid would be sitting in a booth struggling with his homework. Dude being a SUPER great guy, good solid person stared helping the kid while he ate every night for weeks if not months. The kid started pulling "As" in every subject! When the family went home guess who was invited home to the DR for a visit? Dude was! And guess who was was paraded around and introduced to the THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends? Dude! He ended up marring one of the gilrs who was like 20 years her junior, She was and still is BEAUTIFUL! He's still a nice guy, who has a nice family and the kid who he helped learn english and with his home work is looking at grad schools now.

Clearly you can't hope to ever have this happen to you, they either happen or they don't you can't force them or go into a situation planning for this to happen. You have to have "good" in your heart and do it to help other people for the sake of helping other people. These examples also lend credence to my personal philosophy of "Be cool, be easy, be nice" and good thing will happen to you if you let them.

In closing Make Friends with Spanish Speaking people, it will help your language skills and you never know what would or could happen! You jsut have to be open minded enough to let it happen!

I've never tried dominicancupid but I have had like 100 or so dates (real dates with normal girls) from Colombiacupid their sister site I'd think. Join CC and star PMing tons of girls, start an on line convo, read her messages with out using a translator and take it from there.

Hioctane
08-23-11, 17:50
I will be visiting Colombia for the first time in February. Just wondering which of these cities would be the best for a newbie?This is hillarious. LuckyEddie and BlackHawk points you away from their respective home turfs.

I have been to Medellin. I haven't been to Cartagena yet, but will soon. Here's my opinion based on my research and some facts. Make an informed decision for yourself.

Medellin.

Pros.

- cheap casas starting at 30k.

- great nonpro scene.

Cons.

- no free lance clubs (other than online, casas, and Mayorista it's a bit hard to find pros)

- no beach.

- things are spread apart. Will need some spanish or a guide to navigate the first time.

Cartagena.

Pros.

- beach.

- freelance clubs.

- variety of girls from all over Colombia.

Cons.

- expensive casas starting at 150k.

Housing is slightly more expensive in Cartagena. But not that much so.

Food is slightly more expensive in Cartagena if you go to the touristy spots. Probably the equivalent of Parque Lleras in Medellin.

Chicas STARTING asking price is more in Cartagena. In some cases 2-3x more. If you speak some Spanish you can get it down considerably (I will see in soon).

IMO, money shouldn't be a deciding factor. Know how much you want to spend and stick to it. If money is an issue, you can get by in Medellin on a super low budget.

Keep in mind all this depends on if you speak some Spanish. If not, expect to be quoted gringo prices (except casas and stripclubs where prices are fixed) and pay considerably more. Hope this paints a clearer picture.

EstebanH
08-23-11, 18:11
I would like to recommend someone who teaches spanish one on one. Her name is Marielena and is located in Ecuador. You can take lessons from her for $8. 00 per hour via Skype. This type of lessons give you one-on-one spanish training. After three months with her, we now start out our lesson with about 10 minutes of chit-chat in spanish. I started out with almost zero spanish. I am amazed at how much I have learned from her. You would not get that from a class or a book or a tape.

Marielena has over 12 years of experience teaching spanish. Here are some articles about her:

http://www.captivatingcuenca.com/marielena-andrade-spanish-teacher.html

http://www.gosouthexpat.com/spanish-lessons-7-per-hour-cuenca-ecuador.html

If you would like to contact her, use this email address: maryelen26@hotmail.com

Send her an email and she will give you a free demo lesson.

Please DO NOT tell her you heard about her on a SEX Forum, LOL! I don't want her to think I am a pervert LOL!


I need to say thank you to the Amb832; I think he's the first member who has EVER posted anything along the lines of trying to learn or get better at Spanish! WELL DONE SIR! Most the payasos on this board think their "gringo spanish" or a translator app on their big boy phone will be enough. You're on the right track. Learn or improve your language skills if you want a NORMAL GIRL! Not that hard to understand!

A friendly tip; Don't waste that time you have in your house speaking into a computer head set or filling out _____ in a work book or watching Telemundo or Univision. These thing help but are foundation builders and not indicative of real life. I can read about doing open heart surgery but when it comes time for "live fire" well as you can imagine it's not the same. Spanish is WAY faster in real life and full of slang and accents. I have lived in Peru, Argentina, Colombia, and Mexico (long visits over a month in duration several times*) and have a minor in Spanish so excuse me if I'm a bit of a know it all. Go to a Mexican Restaurant or any restaurant or any where you can chat with some native spanish speakers. Make friends with them and just talk to them like they were your english speaking friends, how's your day? That guys a jerk, have you seen this or that show or movie? Ext. Get known and chat them up. Your language skills will improve SO FAST!

What I did: I worked in several restaurants in college and had my co-workers help me with my home work and assignments, helped them with their english and paper work for visas / taxes and that sort of bullshit we became actual friends and we started to hang out, got invited to parties and clubs (Only non Spanish guy in a club full of want to-be-gangsters!) , played soccer on the weekends. Ect. One of those buddies from Colombia had me bring a bunch of crap to his moms house and when I did they were so pleased to hear stories of her son and how he was doing well in America and had American buddies (pretty much only me) they had me over for diner a few night later. THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends was there to meet me! I'm 2ish years with my novia (not a working girl cause I know her family! She works at a hair salon 6 day a week 10 hours a day for short money. You have to respect that hustle). Novia could easily be a girl at a car show / trade show or a want to be model, that level of hot and sexy. I am very luck she is a good girl from a good family who I can trust. She never asks questions when I tell her some bold faced lies to go to the working girl house with my boys. What more could a monger ask for?

My older buddy did the same thing in a way. He spoke 0% spanish, went into this Tai restaurant pretty much every night late for diner. The lady and her husband (from DR) worked there and their little kid would be sitting in a booth struggling with his homework. Dude being a SUPER great guy, good solid person stared helping the kid while he ate every night for weeks if not months. The kid started pulling "As" in every subject! When the family went home guess who was invited home to the DR for a visit? Dude was! And guess who was was paraded around and introduced to the THE ENTIRE FAMILY OF YOUNG-PRETTY-SEXY- ELLIGIBLE cousins and sisters and friends? Dude! He ended up marring one of the gilrs who was like 20 years her junior, She was and still is BEAUTIFUL! He's still a nice guy, who has a nice family and the kid who he helped learn english and with his home work is looking at grad schools now.

Clearly you can't hope to ever have this happen to you, they either happen or they don't you can't force them or go into a situation planning for this to happen. You have to have "good" in your heart and do it to help other people for the sake of helping other people. These examples also lend credence to my personal philosophy of "Be cool, be easy, be nice" and good thing will happen to you if you let them.

In closing Make Friends with Spanish Speaking people, it will help your language skills and you never know what would or could happen! You jsut have to be open minded enough to let it happen!

I've never tried dominicancupid but I have had like 100 or so dates (real dates with normal girls) from Colombiacupid their sister site I'd think. Join CC and star PMing tons of girls, start an on line convo, read her messages with out using a translator and take it from there.

Amb832
08-23-11, 18:52
Seems like I'm getting no where studying from a book. I have a few Spanish speaking friends that can help me out. I think I will learn faster by actually chatting with another person.

Sorry I meant to say colombiancupid. Com instead of DC. I sent out a few notes to some of the girls there just to make convoy and ask about the city they live in. Most haven't replied while some gave me their email / messenger names but they're never online. LOL. One chick I had to block because she was begging for money before I even know her name.

Amb832
08-23-11, 18:54
Seems like I'm getting no where studying from a book. I have a few Spanish speaking friends that can help me out. I think I will learn faster by actually chatting with another person.

Sorry I meant to say colombiancupid. Com instead of DC. I sent out a few notes to some of the girls there just to make convoy and ask about the city they live in. Most haven't replied while some gave me their email / messenger names but they're never online. LOL. One chick I had to block because she was begging for money before I even know her name.Typo. Convo instead of convoy

Yujin
08-24-11, 03:22
Seems like I'm getting no where studying from a book. I have a few Spanish speaking friends that can help me out. I think I will learn faster by actually chatting with another person.Natalia Velez teaches Spanish via Skype. Her website is http://elearnspanishonline.com/ She's located in Medellin, but I don't know if she offers private Spanish lessons in Medellin.

Natalia also has a You Tube channel for learning Spanish. If you subscribe to her website http://elearnspanishonline.com/, she provides a transcript of her video lessons on You Tube.

Natalia is "eye candy" which is a bonus, but since she's from Medellin, I've found it helpful to listen to her voice since I sometimes found the Colombian Spanish dialect different than those spoken in Mexico or Ecuador.

Even if you have no desire or intent to learn Spanish, just watching Natalia on her videos wants me to visit Colombia again.

Amb832
08-26-11, 13:48
My trip to Colombia is not until February. If I start practicing in September will that be enough time to know enough Spanish to communicate with the locals?

Colombiancupid update.

I had to delete a chick from my email cause she wasn't interested in talking. She just wanted me to visit some webcam site and pay to see her. LOL. Is there a way to tell if a profile on there is fake or not?

Dornyone
08-26-11, 16:40
The cupid sites are all being watched by the usual scam artists. I have been approached multiple times by "girls" (no photo) from either Ghana or Nigeria.

Within a few sentences you will see the usual sob story begin, how destitute they are etc. After the first one wasted about 5 mins of my time, I started.

Replying that I am really from Nigeria or Ghana depending on the mark. You will be amazed how fast they "block" your profile.

It's a business, the scammer doesn't want to hit on the same mark twice and waste time.


My trip to Colombia is not until February. If I start practicing in September will that be enough time to know enough Spanish to communicate with the locals?

Colombiancupid update.

I had to delete a chick from my email cause she wasn't interested in talking. She just wanted me to visit some webcam site and pay to see her. LOL. Is there a way to tell if a profile on there is fake or not?

SlamCity7777
08-26-11, 18:58
My trip to Colombia is not until February. If I start practicing in September will that be enough time to know enough Spanish to communicate with the locals?

Colombiancupid update.

I had to delete a chick from my email cause she wasn't interested in talking. She just wanted me to visit some webcam site and pay to see her. LOL. Is there a way to tell if a profile on there is fake or not?Thanks again Amb! Trying and wanting to learn Spanish shows you have "heart" and not some Gringo-Dickhead who's going to down load a talking app on his phone!

Well how is your spanish now? Do you learn languages easliy? Could you pass a college 101 class? Start by watching American Movies bubbed in Espanol. You'll pick up phrases and watch a kids show. To converse with a girl on some level you need to get up to 202, for real talks 300 level I'd say. Or just use the linnks below for that online tutorial. OR go to a bar or Spanish food joint and pratice with them. Is there a Men's soccor league in your town? Is there a park where spanish people play on the weekends? If you see a bunch of fat spanish guys fooling around ask to join in. If they're real good you'll just be in the way.

I'm off to hit up a few of my fave spots today! Put the novia on a flight to Medellin and if it wan't for the 3THREE! Hours of traffic and HUGE rain I wuold have gone out last night.

Bango Cheito
08-27-11, 09:25
Superficial opinions usually amuse me, but this missive just illustrates the different experiences and expectations that we bring to Colombia. One one end of the spectrum is the guy who comes to Colombia with the intention of meeting his beautiful princess and living happy ever after in his country, of course. On the other end is the true sex tourist who sees these beautiful Colombian girls as the ideal sex worker. They treat them as the sex workers that many of them are, and as Bango opines, if you can fuck them well enough, then the professionalism disappears and they all want to have your baby. Either of these extremes are rooted in profound narcissism.

Bango is right, Money can't buy everything. But, it's way ahead of what's in second place. It can buy a whole lot in Colombia. I speak with some experience, although my Colombian girl is now studying in the USA But, I'm happy that on the first of the month, I'm at the Western Union sending the administration fee for the apartment I bought for her and in which her family is now living. I always send a few extra pesos. And before you suggest that I'm getting played, I don't do any damn thing in life that I don't want to do. I'm happy knowing that whenever my Colombiana chooses to go wherever she decides to travel on the journey of her life, she has a casa. It's something everyone should have, don't you think?

My point is simply this: most of us are more financially secure than most of the young women we meet. If there is one that you find that is worth your attention, just a little financial assistance goes a long way. Anyone knows pretty quickly if he has found a "normal" girl that is just working at the mall or some other legitimate job, or is going to school. Or, one that just practices the fantasy that they are serious about their future. I'm just say'in, try a little love. Try to enhance someone else's life. You get the intimacy that money or being a sexual athlete can't obtain, and you get the sex from a girl that actually believes that someone cares about them, without this notion of a house with a white picket fence or a marriage. I believe this approach is consistent with my philosophy of.

Only good energy!Talking about superficial, you assumed a lot that is false.

I've been living here for the past 3 years solid, have a permanent visa, work and make and spend Colombian pesos.

I used to rely more on p4p for sex, but especially this year I have more non-pro action. Actually I have a steady gf, but it's an open relationship. We may get a pro or 2 for threesomes sometime down the road but for now it's strictly non-pros. Actually as I write this I couldn't afford a peck on the cheek and a promise from a pro till some payments come in :P.

NOBODY here knows pretty quickly if they've found a "normal" girl. Colombianas fool men who were born and raised here all the time. You as a foreigner who has no roots here don't stand a chance, no matter how worldly you may think you are. I've said it before and I'll say it again. At LEAST 50% of Colombian women between ages 15 and 50 have charged for it at one time or another. The majority of these are women everybody around them THINKS are living saints. I've seen women convince people they are VIRGINS even when I know damn well they ain't :P

Man, to be honest, I'm still reeling with the idea that not even the girl, but her FAMILY moved into an apartment YOU bought, and they are such deadbeats they can't even pay the damn condo fees?

Let me make this perfectly clear. In Colombian culture, decent people do NOT accept handouts from people they are not blood-related to or married to. There is a very very deep stigma associated with this sort of thing here. The fact that somebody accepts money from you even once SHOULD tell you volumes about their character, but I guess it all depends on which head you're thinking with.

It's fine to buy pussy, as long as you watch your ledger carefully and don't get caught in any illusions about your 'princess'. Many of you may find the tone of this offensive, but deep down you can't deny you know I know what I'm talking about.

Take my advice, everybody, pay for it straight up, or don't pay AT ALL. If a girl is serious about you here, SHE should be spending money on YOU. If she never reaches into her own pocket EVER. That's NOT A REAL RELATIONSHIP you have there. This is real life. There's no room for fairy tales here. I think some of you need to bone up on your Machiavelli.

Manizales911
08-27-11, 15:55
The cupid sites are all being watched by the usual scam artists. I have been approached multiple times by "girls" (no photo) from either Ghana or Nigeria.

Within a few sentences you will see the usual sob story begin, how destitute they are etc. After the first one wasted about 5 mins of my time, I started.

Replying that I am really from Nigeria or Ghana depending on the mark. You will be amazed how fast they "block" your profile.

It's a business, the scammer doesn't want to hit on the same mark twice and waste time.I use Colombiancupid all the time and it is pretty damn easy to avoid the scam artists and know pros from non-pros most of the time. I NEVER use pros from sites like this, I am only interested in non / semi pros from there and have been extremely successful but you have to use common sense like NOT responding to a profile without a photo. A list of things that will cull the herd down to a manageable level:

If her age preference range is 20-80 = avoid.

If she posts professionally shot photos wearing Studio F jeans = avoid.

If she immediately gives up her phone number = avoid.

If she obviously has bolt ons = avoid.

If she owns a Blackberry or Iphone with a data / internet package = avoid.

If she lives in Medellin = avoid.

The last one is strictly from my experience and YMMV but I have had zero luck with girls on Colombiancupid that live in Medellin. 90% pros and the ones that aren't pros should be.

Amb832
08-27-11, 17:16
I use Colombiancupid all the time and it is pretty damn easy to avoid the scam artists and know pros from non-pros most of the time. I NEVER use pros from sites like this, I am only interested in non / semi pros from there and have been extremely successful but you have to use common sense like NOT responding to a profile without a photo. A list of things that will cull the herd down to a manageable level:

If her age preference range is 20-80 = avoid.

If she posts professionally shot photos wearing Studio F jeans = avoid.

If she immediately gives up her phone number = avoid.

If she obviously has bolt ons = avoid.

If she owns a Blackberry or Iphone with a data / internet package = avoid.

If she lives in Medellin = avoid.

The last one is strictly from my experience and YMMV but I have had zero luck with girls on Colombiancupid that live in Medellin. 90% pros and the ones that aren't pros should be.If she lives in Medellin = avoid. LOL. Wow. It's that bad?

If she gives up her email = she's a pro too?

Yea I haven't had too many hits or replies even though I have the platinum status. Glad I only paid for one month.

MiamiHeatLuver
08-27-11, 18:16
My trip to Colombia is not until February. If I start practicing in September will that be enough time to know enough Spanish to communicate with the locals?

Colombiancupid update.

I had to delete a chick from my email cause she wasn't interested in talking. She just wanted me to visit some webcam site and pay to see her. LOL. Is there a way to tell if a profile on there is fake or not?Depending how your Spanish is right now will determine how well you will communicate with the locals. Honestly, I don't think its enough time to swoon any non pros but it should be plenty for the P4P's. Plus Colombian Spanish is tricky, There are so so many slang words that are incorporated in every day chit chat that you will NOT find in any translator period.

MiamiHeatLuver
08-27-11, 18:23
I use Colombiancupid all the time and it is pretty damn easy to avoid the scam artists and know pros from non-pros most of the time. I NEVER use pros from sites like this, I am only interested in non / semi pros from there and have been extremely successful but you have to use common sense like NOT responding to a profile without a photo. A list of things that will cull the herd down to a manageable level:

If her age preference range is 20-80 = avoid.

If she posts professionally shot photos wearing Studio F jeans = avoid.

If she immediately gives up her phone number = avoid.

If she obviously has bolt ons = avoid.

If she owns a Blackberry or Iphone with a data / internet package = avoid.

If she lives in Medellin = avoid.

The last one is strictly from my experience and YMMV but I have had zero luck with girls on Colombiancupid that live in Medellin. 90% pros and the ones that aren't pros should be.Pretty good list! If she's always ONLINE with her blackberry or Iphone but cannot easily tell you what she does for work or claims to have a job making the minimum 560k pesos. Where is she getting her extra income to supplement her lifestyle from? To supplement her superficial lifestyle from? One of the good things about Colombianas is that they are so easy to read once you are accustomed to know what to look for. Comes with time, trial and error, experience and friendly advice.

Ezyngo
08-27-11, 20:51
.If she lives in Medellin = avoid.Along those lines, may I add the following, based on my experience:

If she's a single mom with one or two kids and does not have a regular job = AVOID.

If she's an 8+ and between 18-25 = AVOID.

If she's constantly logged on CC (Colombian Cupids) , RL (Romancelatina) , MSN, or Yahoo = AVOID.

If she can't be found online at night and on weekends (Thursday through Sunday) = AVOID.

One last note, no matter where they are found, CC, RL, or others, it has been unanimously agreed upon by many of us mongers that more than 90% of the chicas on these sites are either pros or semi-pros. The rest of them, the non-pros, IMHO, can only be rated a 6 or below, and many are more than 35 years of age or older.

Good days gents.

EZ

EstebanH
08-27-11, 22:13
Enzygo.

I don't get your post here. This site is for "mongers", right? In other words, we are looking for girls to have sex with. What difference is it if she has kids, has / doesn't have a job, or if she is on a dating site? I thought the whole idea here was to meet willing girls to have meaningless sex with.

I think you must be looking for a wife.

Leave all the 18-25, 8+ pro and semi pro girls for me!


Along those lines, may I add the following, based on my experience:

If she's a single mom with one or two kids and does not have a regular job = AVOID.

If she's an 8+ and between 18-25 = AVOID.

If she's constantly logged on CC (Colombian Cupids) , RL (Romancelatina) , MSN, or Yahoo = AVOID.

If she can't be found online at night and on weekends (Thursday through Sunday) = AVOID.

One last note, no matter where they are found, CC, RL, or others, it has been unanimously agreed upon by many of us mongers that more than 90% of the chicas on these sites are either pros or semi-pros. The rest of them, the non-pros, IMHO, can only be rated a 6 or below, and many are more than 35 years of age or older.

Good days gents.

EZ

Legal Tender
08-28-11, 00:59
Enzygo.

I don't get your post here. This site is for "mongers", right? In other words, we are looking for girls to have sex with. What difference is it if she has kids, has / doesn't have a job, or if she is on a dating site? I thought the whole idea here was to meet willing girls to have meaningless sex with.

I think you must be looking for a wife.

Leave all the 18-25, 8+ pro and semi pro girls for me!Let me say that no sex ought to be meaningless. Physical pleasure, pure hedonism, is not meaningless. But, it is meaningless in the core of most all men: Need for appreciation, respect, and intimacy. And, I always smile when I read the ambiguous attempt to differentiate between the pro and semi pros. There's not a female homo sapien that has ever been born that didn't know the value of the vagina.

Most of the men on this site, I believe, given the opportunity would like to find a sexual partner that provides for more than hedonistic satisfaction. That damn sure doesn't have to be a wife. There is a lot of types of relationships in the gray area between an encounter or two, or three with a sex worker and the commitment to a spouse. What I think most of us want is hedonism plus. At least I do, but whatever you're looking for in your search, I wish only.

Good energy!

Ezyngo
08-28-11, 01:44
Enzygo.

I don't get your post here.My post was just to add some 'ahi' to the one by Manizales911, a few posts back. Basically, we were establishing, in his words, 'A list of things that will cull the herd down to a manageable level'.

And no. I am not looking for a wife. I have a girlfriend in each of the 3 largest cities in Colombia. And guess what? None of them have ever mentioned marriage. Thank God. I would have run and run faster and run the fastest. I truly need someone to be with me in between mongering. I mean you can not go to the casas all day long. How much 'leche' do you have? LOL. It can be boring when you find yourself all alone, say in Medellin. In fact, most of us know that there is so much time we spend in the hotel room without a chica and we pop open the laptop to look for the next, and when nothing comes up, we head for La Mayorista. LOL.

Good days gents.

EZ

Ezyngo
08-28-11, 01:49
My post was just to add some 'ahi' to the one by Manizales911Sorry. That was 'Aji' chili sauce.

E

Colbrotha
08-28-11, 01:50
Talking about superficial, you assumed a lot that is false.

Let me make this perfectly clear. In Colombian culture, decent people do NOT accept handouts from people they are not blood-related to or married to. There is a very very deep stigma associated with this sort of thing here. The fact that somebody accepts money from you even once SHOULD tell you volumes about their character, but I guess it all depends on which head you're thinking with.

It's fine to buy pussy, as long as you watch your ledger carefully and don't get caught in any illusions about your 'princess'. Many of you may find the tone of this offensive, but deep down you can't deny you know I know what I'm talking about.

Take my advice, everybody, pay for it straight up, or don't pay AT ALL. If a girl is serious about you here, SHE should be spending money on YOU. If she never reaches into her own pocket EVER. That's NOT A REAL RELATIONSHIP you have there. This is real life. There's no room for fairy tales here. I think some of you need to bone up on your Machiavelli.Bango, all points are extremely valid except your last. I agree about the family not paying at least for the monthly "La Administracion". You know, since you now live there, and I know since I finished up High School In Colombia a few years ago and have roots there now, that the Colombianas are very "mal acostumbradas" when it comes to paying for anything. Maybe, and I mean maybe they'll chip in more if they're from a higher estrato, or if you're just plain LUCKY. I don't look Colombian, am part Colombian, but have been on enough dates to know that they all "LOVE" the part about the man paying for everything a little too much Machista society. If you have a gf that chips in,"Wonderful", I can honestly say that from the bottom of my heart. But that isn't, it hasn't, and never will be the norm in this society. I got an uncle in a LD relationship, he pays for everything when she comes and visits; another uncle in Bogota, he pays for everything also; an aunt in Bucaramanga who pays for everything (an exception, the man is considered a sinverguenza) ; all these relationships are real and valid. Everybody's throwin down big dollars / pesos to hold on to whomever's is their object of affection."Hay que comprar la cuca" my uncle once said. Colombians and visiting foreigners, including myself, are paying for it one way or the other. You can have a real, sustaining, ever so fulfilling relationship in Colombia with a non-pro / local, but when the check comes at the end of the meal, its just a given who's coming out the pocket as she smiles and tells you how "rico" or "sabroso" the meal was.

Legal Tender's quote couldn't be more true in Colombia, especially in the poorer neighbors where the girl is magically a 9 or a 10. You see this all the time in any major city. There's not a female homo sapien that has ever been born that didn't know the value of the vagina. I don't recommend it, but go to the poorer neighborhoods, and you'll see 9's and 10's. And who's their man, some suspect character from the Barrio. I've seen it in Bucaramanga firsthand, Barrios like Regadero, La Cumbre, and CampoHermoso. Notches up and down in those streets, wouldn't recommend it you going up in there even if you were strapped. Peace

MiamiHeatLuver
08-28-11, 03:46
And no. I am not looking for a wife. I have a girlfriend in each of the 3 largest cities in Colombia.That's freaking cool! I got to try that, but having one is more that a handful for me at the moment. Enlighten us player how you are juggling 3 novias in 3 different cities? Don't they each require a high level of attention? Do you have like 3 cell phones as well? Inquiring minds would like to know. Je je

Legal Tender
08-28-11, 08:15
Talking about superficial, you assumed a lot that is false.

I've been living here for the past 3 years solid, have a permanent visa, work and make and spend Colombian pesos.

I used to rely more on p4p for sex, but especially this year I have more non-pro action. Actually I have a steady gf, but it's an open relationship. We may get a pro or 2 for threesomes sometime down the road but for now it's strictly non-pros. Actually as I write this I couldn't afford a peck on the cheek and a promise from a pro till some payments come in :P.

NOBODY here knows pretty quickly if they've found a "normal" girl. Colombianas fool men who were born and raised here all the time. You as a foreigner who has no roots here don't stand a chance, no matter how worldly you may think you are. I've said it before and I'll say it again. At LEAST 50% of Colombian women between ages 15 and 50 have charged for it at one time or another. The majority of these are women everybody around them THINKS are living saints. I've seen women convince people they are VIRGINS even when I know damn well they ain't :P

Man, to be honest, I'm still reeling with the idea that not even the girl, but her FAMILY moved into an apartment YOU bought, and they are such deadbeats they can't even pay the damn condo fees?

Let me make this perfectly clear. In Colombian culture, decent people do NOT accept handouts from people they are not blood-related to or married to. There is a very very deep stigma associated with this sort of thing here. The fact that somebody accepts money from you even once SHOULD tell you volumes about their character, but I guess it all depends on which head you're thinking with.

It's fine to buy pussy, as long as you watch your ledger carefully and don't get caught in any illusions about your 'princess'. Many of you may find the tone of this offensive, but deep down you can't deny you know I know what I'm talking about.

Take my advice, everybody, pay for it straight up, or don't pay AT ALL. If a girl is serious about you here, SHE should be spending money on YOU. If she never reaches into her own pocket EVER. That's NOT A REAL RELATIONSHIP you have there. This is real life. There's no room for fairy tales here. I think some of you need to bone up on your Machiavelli.
Bango, all points are extremely valid except your last. I agree about the family not paying at least for the monthly "La Administracion". You know, since you now live there, and I know since I finished up High School In Colombia a few years ago and have roots there now, that the Colombianas are very "mal acostumbradas" when it comes to paying for anything. Maybe, and I mean maybe they'll chip in more if they're from a higher estrato, or if you're just plain LUCKY. I don't look Colombian, am part Colombian, but have been on enough dates to know that they all "LOVE" the part about the man paying for everything a little too much Machista society. If you have a gf that chips in,"Wonderful", I can honestly say that from the bottom of my heart. But that isn't, it hasn't, and never will be the norm in this society. I got an uncle in a LD relationship, he pays for everything when she comes and visits; another uncle in Bogota, he pays for everything also; an aunt in Bucaramanga who pays for everything (an exception, the man is considered a sinverguenza) ; all these relationships are real and valid. Everybody's throwin down big dollars / pesos to hold on to whomever's is their object of affection."Hay que comprar la cuca" my uncle once said. Colombians and visiting foreigners, including myself, are paying for it one way or the other. You can have a real, sustaining, ever so fulfilling relationship in Colombia with a non-pro / local, but when the check comes at the end of the meal, its just a given who's coming out the pocket as she smiles and tells you how "rico" or "sabroso" the meal was.

Legal Tender's quote couldn't be more true in Colombia, especially in the poorer neighbors where the girl is magically a 9 or a 10. You see this all the time in any major city. There's not a female homo sapien that has ever been born that didn't know the value of the vagina. I don't recommend it, but go to the poorer neighborhoods, and you'll see 9's and 10's. And who's their man, some suspect character from the Barrio. I've seen it in Bucaramanga firsthand, Barrios like Regadero, La Cumbre, and CampoHermoso. Notches up and down in those streets, wouldn't recommend it you going up in there even if you were strapped. PeaceI believe that Bango and I simply see these Colombian girls in a different light. This discussion started or at least was kindled by Bango's statement that anyone who sent money to a Colombian girls was a moron. I came out of the closet and admitted that I'm one of those morons on a fairly big scale. Our friend Bango's viewpoint has got to be influenced by his previous choices, as indicated by his words:

(1)"If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money"

(2)"The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed"

(3)"I met my ex in a videochat and later married her. She worked either in chat or hooking the whole 5 years we were together. It's fine to buy pussy, as long as you watch your ledger carefully and don't get caught in any illusions about your 'princess'. Many of you may find the tone of this offensive, but deep down you can't deny you know I know what I'm talking about"

(4)"Actually I have a steady gf, but it's an open relationship. We may get a pro or 2 for threesomes sometime down the road but for now it's strictly non-pros. Actually as I write this I couldn't afford a peck on the cheek and a promise from a pro till some payments come in."

I didn't find Bango's opinions offensive, but I did find his statement about being caught in "illusions" enlightening. My gut tells me that our friend Bango has been under the "illusion" that he writes about. The Buddha teaches that the source of pain is unfulfilled expectations. Unfulfilled expectations are another way of saying illusion. It can make you bitter.

I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoy what I do for my little Paisa and her family. Her two sisters live with their mother and both of the girls work. Nothing special, but one is in retail and the other in a factory that makes toys. They were not ask to pay anything connected to my Paisa's apartment, except the utilities. My thought was that the money that I sent to them for the "La Administracion" left them a little extra at the end of the month to get something they want or need. Simple as that. I appreciate Colbrotha's view of Colombian society in general, and what these women expect in particular. As Colbrotha's uncle said: "Hay que comprar la cuca." All I know is that the last time my little Paisa and I were preparing to visit Medellin, she was talking on the speaker phone with her mother and two sisters. Of course they were talking a million miles a minute and with the typical Colombian emotion in every word after she told them we were coming for a visit. After a brief discussion of everything Mama was going to cook, etc, I understood,"es maravilloso, el yanqui que viene" It's wonderful, the yankee is coming. And, hell, yes, nobody else pays for anything when the Yankee comes to town. I'm having fun! And for everyone I wish the same and

Only good energy!

John Gault
08-28-11, 13:22
(Mongering was originally created by old guys who had retired, raised kids, and divorced their wives. These older guys wanted to live out their final years in a paradise of young, beautiful women and a tropical climate ).

This statement was part of a post by Mr. Gogo. It fits me to a tee except that I only visit the paradise, not live in it. I have been tempted to live in Colombia, but either the need to see my children or the lure of new spots to monger has kept me in my home Country. I balance this out by at least every other month I monger.

I used to try to date Gringas, but soon after encountering Latin America I saw the folly in this. Now I no more respond to requests by family and friends to meet women in my home country.

Mr. Gogo also pointed out that the older experenced monger tends to try to keep a low key, and not make any waves as he partakes of the festivites. The last thing he wants is to have problems or cause inflation in the monger market place.

It is early morning as I ride out this East Coast storm so I just thought to share some thoughts.

My point is you don't have to be an old time monger to be a gentlemen in Paradise. You younger guys here for maybe a few weeks should try and be a little careful to not disturb the waters too much. The { hey I'm on vacation, and I don't care } is not good for our hobby. Use these short trips you take to really get a feel for the country you are in. Some day (it comes so soon) you will be the older guy.

As far as the Pro or non pro action, it is all good. Myself I dabble in Non Pros very little as I need to go to many flowers, and don't like to try and fool a girl who thinks you are sincere.

In closing Gentlemen, lets all try to help one another as we enjoy ourselfs to the hilt.
Reports from MDE in Sept. soon to follow.

SlamCity7777
08-28-11, 16:47
I believe that Bango and I simply see these Colombian girls in a different light. This discussion started or at least was kindled by Bango's statement that anyone who sent money to a Colombian girls was a moron. I came out of the closet and admitted that I'm one of those morons on a fairly big scale. Our friend Bango's viewpoint has got to be influenced by his previous choices, as indicated by his words:

(1)"If you send a dime, you're a moron. OF COURSE the girl has multiple guys sending her money"

(2)"The best way to keep a girl LONG TERM IMO is to be really good in bed"

(3)"I met my ex in a videochat and later married her. She worked either in chat or hooking the whole 5 years we were together. It's fine to buy pussy, as long as you watch your ledger carefully and don't get caught in any illusions about your 'princess'. Many of you may find the tone of this offensive, but deep down you can't deny you know I know what I'm talking about"

(4)"Actually I have a steady gf, but it's an open relationship. We may get a pro or 2 for threesomes sometime down the road but for now it's strictly non-pros. Actually as I write this I couldn't afford a peck on the cheek and a promise from a pro till some payments come in."

I didn't find Bango's opinions offensive, but I did find his statement about being caught in "illusions" enlightening. My gut tells me that our friend Bango has been under the "illusion" that he writes about. The Buddha teaches that the source of pain is unfulfilled expectations. Unfulfilled expectations are another way of saying illusion. It can make you bitter.

I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoy what I do for my little Paisa and her family. Her two sisters live with their mother and both of the girls work. Nothing special, but one is in retail and the other in a factory that makes toys. They were not ask to pay anything connected to my Paisa's apartment, except the utilities. My thought was that the money that I sent to them for the "La Administracion" left them a little extra at the end of the month to get something they want or need. Simple as that. I appreciate Colbrotha's view of Colombian society in general, and what these women expect in particular. As Colbrotha's uncle said: "Hay que comprar la cuca." All I know is that the last time my little Paisa and I were preparing to visit Medellin, she was talking on the speaker phone with her mother and two sisters. Of course they were talking a million miles a minute and with the typical Colombian emotion in every word after she told them we were coming for a visit. After a brief discussion of everything Mama was going to cook, etc, I understood,"es maravilloso, el yanqui que viene" It's wonderful, the yankee is coming. And, hell, yes, nobody else pays for anything when the Yankee comes to town. I'm having fun! And for everyone I wish the same and

Only good energy!I'm with Legal Tender in the PRO-Camp on helping on this one. I feel lucky and blessed to have met and held a good solid relationship with a BEAUTIFUL, smart, sexy, cool, and funny Colombian chick. I know and trust my girl, if you don't trust yours and are constantly suspicious there probably is a reason for it and you should find yourself a new girl; foreign or domestic. If I spent all my time worrying about what she was doing when I was out of the country and what she may or may not have done in the past I'd be even more stress out than I already am with the economy and work. We all have a past and it's best to remember the good times if you can and leave the negative behind; you'll be a happier person for it.

Much like LT and the other guy who got started iwth Bango who helps his girl out. I have no problem with helping out my girl with bills and such. When I first started helping it was a few bucks for her Bday if I couldn't make it down, for her daughter's birthday, ect. She never once asked for money or told me a sob story in the first year and a half we were together; she would say my daugher has a cold or I have a stomach ache but in the natural flow of our conversions and emails / I'm's. I come from a small city filled with hustlers and con men (a blessing and a curse) so I grew up sorting out bullshit and have the uncanny ability to read between the lines and see peoples true motivation and heart; She never set off my alarms.

I am blessed with a good job and a few small but successful businesses I run for myself. It's only money and you can't take it with you are old sayings that are very true and if we're talking about a few Hundo a month and like I said you can afford it then why not help out a girl (and by extension her family).

The Honest joy and happiness that I can bring to her life and the joy she brings to mine. Well worth it. I feel I come out on top! You know. $500 to me is a few diners and a few night out drinking for me and the boys back home (Or like 1 hooker in the states or 2 decent dates with a Local Chick) big deal! That same pile of money is her rent, daughter's school, utilities, and a few bucks to get her nails done and hair did. I tell her to be smart and use this gift with her own income as a blessing and to save and build for the future but a Colombians love to spend!

Some people get played it happens, some people never learn how to play the game and some people play the game to the best of their abilities. What people don't understand is how to control what is going on around them and it scares them so they shut down their hearts and minds; the good stuff cna't come through if you're doors are shut and locked. Do your best, have proper intent and good things will happen to you.

On the other side check out post 8020 over on the Medellin Topic. Brutal!

Be easy be cool

Socker
08-28-11, 17:25
(Mongering was originally created by old guys who had retired, raised kids, and divorced their wives. These older guys wanted to live out their final years in a paradise of young, beautiful women and a tropical climate ).

This statement was part of a post by Mr. Gogo. It fits me to a tee except that I only visit the paradise, not live in it. I have been tempted to live in Colombia, but either the need to see my children or the lure of new spots to monger has kept me in my home Country. I balance this out by at least every other month I monger.

I used to try to date Gringas, but soon after encountering Latin America I saw the folly in this. Now I no more respond to requests by family and friends to meet women in my home country.

Mr. Gogo also pointed out that the older experenced monger tends to try to keep a low key, and not make any waves as he partakes of the festivites. The last thing he wants is to have problems or cause inflation in the monger market place.

It is early morning as I ride out this East Coast storm so I just thought to share some thoughts.

My point is you don't have to be an old time monger to be a gentlemen in Paradise. You younger guys here for maybe a few weeks should try and be a little careful to not disturb the waters too much. The { hey I'm on vacation, and I don't care } is not good for our hobby. Use these short trips you take to really get a feel for the country you are in. Some day (it comes so soon) you will be the older guy.

As far as the Pro or non pro action, it is all good. Myself I dabble in Non Pros very little as I need to go to many flowers, and don't like to try and fool a girl who thinks you are sincere.

In closing Gentlemen, lets all try to help one another as we enjoy ourselfs to the hilt.

Reports from MDE in Sept. Soon to follow.Hi John, Hope all is well w / you, here are my observations.

I totally agree w / your points about "low profile" in the host country, but young guys can't change. They will be young, energenic and loud. That is their nature and most cannot change. As time goes by they slow down a little and are more understanding of their place and surroundings.

Inflation in "The Mongering Place" is bound to continue. All the good reports from MDE and elsewhere will only add to the demand side of the eqaution. We are all living longer and there are a lot of new mongers in the pipeline. The odds are the price of goods will go up, hopefully I am wrong, but just using logic seems to point to increases in all regards. The one (GOOD) thing about So America is you do need to speak the language in order to fully enjoy the scene. I hope this aspect keeps the demand side down.

The good guys here on the Colombian Board are a double edged sword. On the one side they provide friendly insight and crucial information regarding mongering, here and else where. Why? Because they like people and want to help. But this is how things get overcrowded so no one here can be critical of inflation, especially the nice guys, hahaha.

One last suggestion. If the BM's here want to reduce the number of ugly ignorant post here, the site moderator should install a feature that allows the poster to block certain BM's from viewing their post. Example. I don't like xxx1234 because he is a big mouth jerk so why should I entertain him w / the pics I post. I would rather block him from seeing my post w / pics. I think there should be a feature like this (w / a limit of 5) so a poster can punish by w / holding pics or info. If a feature like this existed you would see a lot less flaming and general ignorant statements. The idiots would have something to lose by being jerks. THIS IS A GOOD IDEA!

Bango Cheito
08-29-11, 00:04
Buddhism actually teaches that "everything is sorrow". That's what they call the "trance of sorrow". Not just unfulfilled expectations. But I'm not a Buddhist anyways, I'm a Thelemite, Thelema teaches that "existence is pure joy". .

I know lots of Colombian relationships that are based on money. I know lots of guys espouse that philosophy. That doesn't make the relationships REAL in my book. A real relationship is based on MUTUAL ATTRACTION. 99. 9999% of "romantic" relationships on planet earth are relationships where the girl doesn't like the guy but has some reason to fake it.

You can "buy" a gf or a wife etc. No problem, as long as you don't expect them to not fuck other guys. This is why I say if you send even 100 pesos you're a fool. Because guys who do this actually think the girl in question is waiting on them, and therefore worth all that money.

I obviously don't have a problem with buying WHATEVER with one's hard-earned money, or I wouldn't be a senior member in the first place. But if one analyzes the situation objectively, one realizes that if one wants to use money to get what one wants in life, maintaining a piece of pussy is not a really efficient way to do it.

-If you want a girl who doesn't fuck around on you, you may as well believe in the fucking tooth fairy. People fuck around, period. To think otherwise is to spit in Mother Nature's face, and she's a big bad ***** who doesn't forgive! There is NO amount of money that can keep a good looking woman from using her assets all over the place. It's even more a fool's bet in Colombia where people are on average very good looking, where the culture allows easily for a lot of shit to happen behind closed doors etc. If somebody were to tell me there is ONE faithful Colombiana I'd laugh in their face, except for nobody who actually LIVES here would ever seriously say that without getting laughed out the room!

-If you want companionship and romance, why would you torture yourself by getting into a long distance relationship? For that matter, if it's just romance you're looking for, why not find a girl who provides that for you WITHOUT having to outlay cash?

-If it's about the sex, p4p is a no brainer in situations like these. Do yourself a favor, do the math and add it up.

Bango Cheito
08-29-11, 00:11
This is the same reason indirectly, but the SAME goddamn reason I haven't posted any of my best information in years.

A bunch of us got mighty sick and tired of putting up good deals on hotels here only to find that idiots who read this forum started driving the prices up and now it costs triple! The same with our favorite watering holes, our favorite brothels etc. Post it here on the forum and in 3-4 months your good spot or good deal is ruined!

I have a huge issue with people overpaying too. People, when you fucking come to Colombia, STOP tipping taxi drivers, stop tipping in GENERAL! Tipping is NOT part of the culture here. And STOP overpaying the girls. Take the Captain Save-a-ho cape off and BURN THAT SHIT, do us all a favor.

I mentioned using one of my favorite p4p girls here in a trio to my gf (if you like dark meat PM me for the info, like I said my best info no longer goes up in public) , she said to me ok but WE WILL SPLIT THE COST OF HER. She doesn't want me paying even THAT 100% out of pocket. Now THAT is a REAL relationship, a relationship where I can be CERTAIN she ain't in it for the money!

Ezyngo
08-30-11, 03:54
how you are juggling 3 novias in 3 different cities? Don't they each require a high level of attention? Do you have like 3 cell phones as well?Seriously, I have only one unlocked cell phone with 3 SIM cards, one for each of the novias. But lately I tend to come to Medellin more often because of the weather and the quality of women. I told each one of them that our relationships are open from the start so there is very little suspicion going on. Typically, I go to Bogota and Cali once or twice a year and each time for a week to enjoy their company and GFE in between mongering. They want me to come more often but I tell them a little white lie that I have too much work all the time. I know it's just a matter of time before they decide to call it quit.

EZ

Legal Tender
08-30-11, 06:51
I certainly must confess that I don't understand Bingo's attitude toward these Colombian girls. I have some pretty good ideas about the genesis of his warped view of the world, but I respect his right to be fucking nuts. But, having written that, Black Hawk's personal attacks are simple inappropriate and unproductive, don't you think. And, in any fucking event, revealing the identity of a member here goes way into foul territory. I'm hoping that the post to which I make this reply was just a joke. If it isn't, I'm going to apologize for Black Hawk and assume he just doesn't know better.

El Minetero
09-02-11, 00:16
For those lucky enough to be residing in Colombia:

The US Embassy will mail you a document of income if you will email them a request with scanned attachments of your supporting documents. Make sure you give them your complete mailing address, phone numbers and your passport information. This can save you a lot of time and trouble. Do this two months in advance of applying for your visa renewal. When your document arrives check ALL details several times. If the Embassy dates the letter 2010 instead of 2011, if they misspell your name or get your passport number wrong, the Ministry of Foreign Relations will not accept it.

Instead of going to the Supercade to get your document legalized, go to Autopista Norte, #166-68. Open continuously from 7:30AM until 7PM. Very quick, few people. Costs 15, 000 pesos per page, bank window next to the legalizing office. Takes about 30 minutes. They also do apostille.

Go to the Ministry of Foreign Relations at Ave 19, #98-03 (they've moved from Cra 13, #93-68). There's a room on the ground floor with a lot of people, this for Colombians to get passports. Go to the right of this to an entrance that is set back, go inside, take the elevator to the third floor. Several police standing around out in front, ask for 'Visas'. The building is called Torre 100. If you go there from the legalizar place on Autopista Norte, #166-68, the building will come up on your right and you can get out right in front. On the third floor, there's a window where you tell the person what you want to apply for. They give you a number and a pay sheet. There's a bank window right next to this. Formerly free, the Pensianado Visa renewal now costs 93, 000 Pesos. Wait until your number comes up, about 30 minutes, go back to the module with your number, speak to an official individually. MAKE SURE ALL YOUR INFORMATION AND DETAILS ARE CORRECT BEFORE HAND. They are sticklers and will send you out to correct any errors. Go back out, wait a little, get called back in to receive your visa and you're finished. Open 7:30AM. 10:30AM. If you're inside at 10:30, you stay until you finish. If not, come back another day. The doors close promptly at 10:30. I saw one woman arrive at 10:32 and be denied entry. She was very upset and screamed 'Me fuiste, me fuiste!

It can be quick and easy, or it can be a travail. My document from the Embassy had the date wrong, out to the Embassy to get another, too late to go back, I had to overnight in a hotel and make all the taxi trips again. The second day, it's noticed that I had received a provisional entry instead of a 60 day tourist visa. WHEN YOU ENTER COLOMBIA, PAY ATTENTION, MAKE SURE YOU GET THE VISA YOU THINK YOU ARE. At 9:30AM I had to go to DAS to get a revision. DAS, Calle 100, #11B-27, Edificio Platino, is down to the corner and 6 blocks up. It took 40 minutes to go, get the revision and get back. I was about ready to run through the streets, crazy, screaming. I get the visa, go directly to the airport. The taxis have a meter and a code sheet to give the correct rate, which is lower than the meter. The driver told me 20, 000, which I thought was double what it should have been, but there were no cops in sight and it was a difference of $5. The airline charged me a 90, 000 peso penalty for changing the date on my ticket. The hotel was 100, 000 pesos. It cost me an extra 250, 000 pesos because the Embassy made an error on the date. They sincerely apologized, but there was no compensation. The Embassy is a fortress, being American doesn't mean anything. All the guards are Colombian, and none of them speak ENGLISH. Do not let the taxi take you to the main entrance. They will not let you in, you will have to go around the block to the consulate entrance, which is a gate in a black iron fence, no sign, no distinguishing details other than a guard box on the inside.

I suggest taking at least 600, 000 pesos, your credit and debit cards, a change or two of clothes and your toiletries. It can take 3 1/2 hours, or it can take two or three days.

Airport to Autopista Norte #166-68, taxi fare 24, 000 pesos. 1 hour in taxi, takes 30 minutes, open continuously 7:30AM. 7PM.

166 to Ministry of Foreign Relations, taxi fare 10, 000 pesos. 40 minutes in taxi, takes about an hour, open 7:30AM. 10:30AM.

MRE to airport. 20 minutes in taxi. 20, 000 pesos fare, which I think was a ripoff. They have a meter and a code sheet for rectifying the rate, make sure they use it.

El Minetero.

Reporting from Pereira, Colombia

El Minetero
09-02-11, 00:32
I forgot to include the email for the US Consulate in Bogota.

ACSBogota@state.gov

John Gault
09-02-11, 03:45
For those lucky enough to be residing in Colombia:

The US Embassy will mail you a document of income if you will email them a request with scanned attachments of your supporting documents. Make sure you give them your complete mailing address, phone numbers and your passport information. This can save you a lot of time and trouble. Do this two months in advance of applying for your visa renewal. When your document arrives check ALL details several times. If the Embassy dates the letter 2010 instead of 2011, if they misspell your name or get your passport number wrong, the Ministry of Foreign Relations will not accept it.

Instead of going to the Supercade to get your document legalized, go to Autopista Norte, #166-68. Open continuously from 7:30AM until 7PM. Very quick, few people. Costs 15, 000 pesos per page, bank window next to the legalizing office. Takes about 30 minutes. They also do apostille.

Go to the Ministry of Foreign Relations at Ave 19, #98-03 (they've moved from Cra 13, #93-68). There's a room on the ground floor with a lot of people, this for Colombians to get passports. Go to the right of this to an entrance that is set back, go inside, take the elevator to the third floor. Several police standing around out in front, ask for 'Visas'. The building is called Torre 100. If you go there from the legalizar place on Autopista Norte, #166-68, the building will come up on your right and you can get out right in front. On the third floor, there's a window where you tell the person what you want to apply for. They give you a number and a pay sheet. There's a bank window right next to this. Formerly free, the Pensianado Visa renewal now costs 93, 000 Pesos. Wait until your number comes up, about 30 minutes, go back to the module with your number, speak to an official individually. MAKE SURE ALL YOUR INFORMATION AND DETAILS ARE CORRECT BEFORE HAND. They are sticklers and will send you out to correct any errors. Go back out, wait a little, get called back in to receive your visa and you're finished. Open 7:30AM. 10:30AM. If you're inside at 10:30, you stay until you finish. If not, come back another day. The doors close promptly at 10:30. I saw one woman arrive at 10:32 and be denied entry. She was very upset and screamed 'Me fuiste, me fuiste!

It can be quick and easy, or it can be a travail. My document from the Embassy had the date wrong, out to the Embassy to get another, too late to go back, I had to overnight in a hotel and make all the taxi trips again. The second day, it's noticed that I had received a provisional entry instead of a 60 day tourist visa. WHEN YOU ENTER COLOMBIA, PAY ATTENTION, MAKE SURE YOU GET THE VISA YOU THINK YOU ARE. At 9:30AM I had to go to DAS to get a revision. DAS, Calle 100, #11B-27, Edificio Platino, is down to the corner and 6 blocks up. It took 40 minutes to go, get the revision and get back. I was about ready to run through the streets, crazy, screaming. I get the visa, go directly to the airport. The taxis have a meter and a code sheet to give the correct rate, which is lower than the meter. The driver told me 20, 000, which I thought was double what it should have been, but there were no cops in sight and it was a difference of $5. The airline charged me a 90, 000 peso penalty for changing the date on my ticket. The hotel was 100, 000 pesos. It cost me an extra 250, 000 pesos because the Embassy made an error on the date. They sincerely apologized, but there was no compensation. The Embassy is a fortress, being American doesn't mean anything. All the guards are Colombian, and none of them speak ENGLISH. Do not let the taxi take you to the main entrance. They will not let you in, you will have to go around the block to the consulate entrance, which is a gate in a black iron fence, no sign, no distinguishing details other than a guard box on the inside.

I suggest taking at least 600, 000 pesos, your credit and debit cards, a change or two of clothes and your toiletries. It can take 3 1/2 hours, or it can take two or three days.

Airport to Autopista Norte #166-68, taxi fare 24, 000 pesos. 1 hour in taxi, takes 30 minutes, open continuously 7:30AM. 7PM.

166 to Ministry of Foreign Relations, taxi fare 10, 000 pesos. 40 minutes in taxi, takes about an hour, open 7:30AM. 10:30AM.

MRE to airport. 20 minutes in taxi. 20, 000 pesos fare, which I think was a ripoff. They have a meter and a code sheet for rectifying the rate, make sure they use it.

El Minetero.

Reporting from Pereira, ColombiaIn Nov. 2010 I found myself on a 66 day trip in Colombia with 60 days stampted on my passport. I posted a trip report on the agony of dealing with DAS in MDE. So if I ever need a visa extension again, instead of jumping thru hoops I will just take a short trip to Panama or Equador. Sure it will cost me more money, but well worth not dealing with those bean counters at DAS.

Bango Cheito
09-02-11, 04:09
Normally the MRE is open till 12pm, except for on the last day of the month, they close at 10:30. And you can go back out and in again if you take a turn.

Mr Enternational
09-02-11, 05:32
This is the same reason indirectly, but the SAME goddamn reason I haven't posted any of my best information in years.

A bunch of us got mighty sick and tired of putting up good deals on hotels here only to find that idiots who read this forum started driving the prices up and now it costs triple! The same with our favorite watering holes, our favorite brothels etc. Post it here on the forum and in 3-4 months your good spot or good deal is ruined!

I have a huge issue with people overpaying too. People, when you fucking come to Colombia, STOP tipping taxi drivers, stop tipping in GENERAL! Tipping is NOT part of the culture here. And STOP overpaying the girls. Take the Captain Save-a-ho cape off and BURN THAT SHIT, do us all a favor.Not to mention that your best hotel will be full from now on when you get ready to use it. You know how they are, but you can't tell them nothing.

Mr Enternational
09-02-11, 05:37
The last one is strictly from my experience and YMMV but I have had zero luck with girls on Colombiancupid that live in Medellin. 90% pros and the ones that aren't pros should be.Maybe that is why I have been to all of the big Colombian cities except Medellin. I have never thought of it that way.

Lmarcone
09-02-11, 05:47
You don't tip cab drivers- you wait for change! If you want to see how it's done: if your with a chica or local, give them the cabfare and let THEM pay- you will see.


This is the same reason indirectly, but the SAME goddamn reason I haven't posted any of my best information in years.

A bunch of us got mighty sick and tired of putting up good deals on hotels here only to find that idiots who read this forum started driving the prices up and now it costs triple! The same with our favorite watering holes, our favorite brothels etc. Post it here on the forum and in 3-4 months your good spot or good deal is ruined!

I have a huge issue with people overpaying too. People, when you fucking come to Colombia, STOP tipping taxi drivers, stop tipping in GENERAL! Tipping is NOT part of the culture here. And STOP overpaying the girls. Take the Captain Save-a-ho cape off and BURN THAT SHIT, do us all a favor.

I mentioned using one of my favorite p4p girls here in a trio to my gf (if you like dark meat PM me for the info, like I said my best info no longer goes up in public) , she said to me ok but WE WILL SPLIT THE COST OF HER. She doesn't want me paying even THAT 100% out of pocket. Now THAT is a REAL relationship, a relationship where I can be CERTAIN she ain't in it for the money!

LuckyEddie
09-02-11, 16:54
this is hillarious. luckyeddie and blackhawk points you away from their respective home turfs.more likely you are hilarious. my monger turf is in sxm and two other areas. not medellin. i don't monger here, i live here, for over 10 years. i love when you mongers come down becuase you spend money in my city and greatly help the economy. regardless of how you act and if you give foreigners a bad name i really don't care as i am on the other side of the line. not a tourist, not a sex tourist. our paths will never ever cross. i never see you. just come on down and give money to the poor barrio putas as it goes to buy [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131), medecine food and to a neighbor who does nails and cuts hair.

if i wanted to serve my very own self interest i would promote medellin and trash every other city. but i have a conscious and think it better for a newbie never having been to colombia to get their feet wet with cartagena. it just makes perfect sense.

for a newbie wanting to get started cartagena is the best. i have been there may times, it is safe friendly has a beach, easy to maneuver, not much of a learning curve and the best part is the girls are from all over colombia. there is a huge variety as many girls do not want to work in their home cities for fear of being caught by family. this is the biggest selling point. also bogotá is this was as well but getting around can be a nightmare.

i would always recommend going to cartagena, get friendly with girls from cali, medellin, bogotá, manizales and barranquilla and get thier contact info. next time back to colombia visit the other cities, hook up with that girl and do the monger scene on the side.

after that decide what is best for you. cartgena just makes great all around sense as a starting point. for the record there exists a group of cartagena goons who guard their coveted cartagena because he doesn't like cheap bastards in their city. why this bothers them i have no idea. blackhawk has never even been to medellin.

LuckyEddie
09-02-11, 17:36
I know lots of Colombian relationships that are based on money. I know lots of guys espouse that philosophy. That doesn't make the relationships REAL in my book. A real relationship is based on MUTUAL ATTRACTION. 99. 9999% of "romantic" relationships on planet earth are relationships where the girl doesn't like the guy but has some reason to fake it.

-If you want a girl who doesn't fuck around on you, you may as well believe in the fucking tooth fairy. There is NO amount of money that can keep a good looking woman from using her assets all over the place.Not wanting to bust into the privatre deabte. But I think that you may be wrongly assuming that LT thinks / wants that she be faithful. Some guys just don't care about that. The chances that she looks at him as if he were a sugar daddy wallet and that she is in love with some other guy she actually sees on a regular basis are probably really high.

But assuming that LT has a problem with that, well, therein lies your mistake. He seems perfectly content with what he has set up and that is a good thing.

Hasideas Tao
09-02-11, 22:57
So I recently signed up with RL a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out how to get a decent dialogue going with these women. You know, establish some rapport and hopefully get a few solid prospects. I am happy to report that Colombian women are much more pro-active as far as actually using all the little tools they provide for contacting other members, when compared to my experience with USA dating sites. They seem to like instant messaging but the girls I wish to talk are not online when I am. Browsing the photos, it often becomes pretty obvious who is a pro and who is not. But it seems like most of them check their email only once or twice a week at the internet cafe as apposed to a gringo who gets every email to his phone.

So like I said, how do you effectively get a dialogue going with them via emails? I'll write something like,"hey pretty dress" or "where did you take that photo? I want to go there!" or "do you like make-up and jewelry?" Regardless, of what I write, the most common responses have been;"you're funny" or "here's my cell, call me when you get to Colombia." I know that will work too but I also know it potentially results in a lot of last minute scrambling which I would like to avoid.

So I'm looking for success stories, tips, trigger words? Is it best to be direct or do you really need to just keep throwing darts until you hit the target?

"What needs to be said that they are looking forward to your arrival? Tell them I'm planning a big dinner party and I want them to come? I hope this will inspire a few good jokes as well as something useful.

Public posting or PM me. Its all good. Thanks!

MiamiHeatLuver
09-02-11, 23:34
So I recently signed up with RL a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out how to get a decent dialogue going with these women. You know, establish some rapport and hopefully get a few solid prospects. I am happy to report that Colombian women are much more pro-active as far as actually using all the little tools they provide for contacting other members, when compared to my experience with USA dating sites. They seem to like instant messaging but the girls I wish to talk are not online when I am. Browsing the photos, it often becomes pretty obvious who is a pro and who is not. But it seems like most of them check their email only once or twice a week at the internet cafe as apposed to a gringo who gets every email to his phone.

So like I said, how do you effectively get a dialogue going with them via emails? I'll write something like,"hey pretty dress" or "where did you take that photo? I want to go there!" or "do you like make-up and jewelry?" Regardless, of what I write, the most common responses have been;"you're funny" or "here's my cell, call me when you get to Colombia." I know that will work too but I also know it potentially results in a lot of last minute scrambling which I would like to avoid.

So I'm looking for success stories, tips, trigger words? Is it best to be direct or do you really need to just keep throwing darts until you hit the target?

"What needs to be said that they are looking forward to your arrival? Tell them I'm planning a big dinner party and I want them to come? I hope this will inspire a few good jokes as well as something useful.

Public posting or PM me. Its all good. Thanks!If you're trying to find a good girl or even a hangout girl on RL? You're going about it all wrong, Its ONLY full of prepagos and get ready for an Invoice when she's done hanging out with you. Have better luck on C. C. Or L. A. C. (vet them carefully) Those girls on R. L. Hardly ever check their PUTA MAIL and only check it when they log on to R. L. Here and there. Try to get some of their facebooks or one of their many MSN screenmames (LOL). If you are feeling really bold, try and get their Blackberry Pins, a good puta will ALWAYS be available via Blackberry Messenger or MSN 24/7. But by then you already know what you have in front of you.

Ricker
09-02-11, 23:34
I'm with Legal Tender in the PRO-Camp on helping on this one. I feel lucky and blessed to have met and held a good solid relationship with a BEAUTIFUL, smart, sexy, cool, and funny Colombian chick. I know and trust my girl, if you don't trust yours and are constantly suspicious there probably is a reason for it and you should find yourself a new girl; foreign or domestic. If I spent all my time worrying about what she was doing when I was out of the country and what she may or may not have done in the past I'd be even more stress out than I already am with the economy and work. We all have a past and it's best to remember the good times if you can and leave the negative behind; you'll be a happier person for it .Yeah, I'm in with the positive thinking camp as well.

Some guys' views and observations are from their world, as they see it, and deem it as the truth for everyone.

To say that "everybody cheats", "anybody that sends money is a moron", "locals never tip", "never ever tip", etc, etc.

Well, I'm glad that's not my world.

Peace amigos.

SlamCity7777
09-03-11, 00:20
So I recently signed up with RL a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out how to get a decent dialogue going with these women. You know, establish some rapport and hopefully get a few solid prospects. I am happy to report that Colombian women are much more pro-active as far as actually using all the little tools they provide for contacting other members, when compared to my experience with USA dating sites. They seem to like instant messaging but the girls I wish to talk are not online when I am. Browsing the photos, it often becomes pretty obvious who is a pro and who is not. But it seems like most of them check their email only once or twice a week at the internet cafe as apposed to a gringo who gets every email to his phone.

So like I said, how do you effectively get a dialogue going with them via emails? I'll write something like,"hey pretty dress" or "where did you take that photo? I want to go there!" or "do you like make-up and jewelry?" Regardless, of what I write, the most common responses have been;"you're funny" or "here's my cell, call me when you get to Colombia." I know that will work too but I also know it potentially results in a lot of last minute scrambling which I would like to avoid.

So I'm looking for success stories, tips, trigger words? Is it best to be direct or do you really need to just keep throwing darts until you hit the target?

"What needs to be said that they are looking forward to your arrival? Tell them I'm planning a big dinner party and I want them to come? I hope this will inspire a few good jokes as well as something useful.

Public posting or PM me. Its all good. Thanks!First let me say thanks for posting this in the appropriate section and I will offer my advice and help but it will be very straight forward and brutally honest.

What are you asking for exactly? How to build a report with a working girl on line or how to strike up a back and forth with a normal girl?

From what you posted it looks like you have no game with WOMEN WHAT SO EVER."Trigger Words",". Keep throwing darts until you hit the target?" Dinner Party"? Do you seriously need to ask these questions? NO there is no trigger word! Is there a trigger word in the USA that gets you laid? Why would there be one in Colombia? (unless it's green card but who wants to go that rought?) YES! GOD YES KEEP shooting darts? It's a numbers game on line and in life too! I can't believe you even would ask! Diner Party? Dude who would you invite other than her or would you invite all the prospects that emailed you back? There a kitchen or dining room in the Hotel you getting? If you have an Apt. Sorry.

I don't mean to be insulting and the sensitivity and tone of voice is lost in cyber space and I mean to be read in a joking / playful manner, but the evidence is ALL OVER your post that you have little to no clue how to talk to women in any country. Dude. Come on now. Seriously? You're asking advice on how to get a convo going on a dating site that is 60-80 working girls? If you want to know if you can give them a Facial or Butt Loving that should be done face to face as you negotiate the price for the service.

The ones who PM'd you back and say call me when you get here. Working girls clearly, no "Normal Girl" is going to give her # to some random stranger on line. Stock up those numbers and try them all and keep the numbers of the good fun girls. Be clear on what you want; Just Sex vs a Date, If not they might want money for the time you spent with her; fucking or not. She's at work and the meter is always running for her and you don't want to foul a good girl with a misunderstanding.

The Girls who did not email you back ARE NOT INTERESTED because they are not working girls because of either A) They do not find you attractive B) You appear to be a clown via your PM. You wrote "hey pretty dress" or "where did you take that photo? I want to go there!" or "do you like make-up and jewelry?"

LOL LOL LOL.

You got to be kidding me? That's the best you can think of? That all you got? You can't see the HUGE FLAW in these comments? Think on it. I'll show you the answer in a few. Ok you got an answer yet? Can you see your mistake? NO? I'll give you a hint, the answers are in the answers "Thank You, The Beach, Yes"

EVERYTHING YOU WROTE CAN BE ANSWERED IN ONE 1 ONE 1 WORD! If you go to a bar do you ask these same sort of "dead end" questions? Let me guess you don't do too well in bars back home? Ask interesting question, engaging questions, try to be funny, ASK ABOUT HER! Ask about Colombia, ask her if she's seen ____ movie or seen ______ show. Do your research and find out about some trash movie and TV show and ask her about it. JUST like in the states girls; both young and old like trash movies and TV showes. Relax and be cool. Or try to be cool.

The girls you want to talk to when you're on line? Try checking on line at a different time maybe? Think about it; Think about women; Think about what info you have on her. FIGURE IT OUT! Girl X, last log in was a few days ago, has a kid works at Jackson Insurance in Bogota. With this info what can you gleam? She's not going to be on line till after 8 at least till she helps la nina with her home work, feeds the la nina, and puts her to bed. If she hasn't logged in in a month she probably gave up the site.

Please take these tips in good spirits, they will help you out IMMENSELY! I know what works for me, you have to find what works for you.

Bango Cheito
09-03-11, 04:10
Yeah, I'm in with the positive thinking camp as well.

Some guys' views and observations are from their world, as they see it, and deem it as the truth for everyone.

To say that "everybody cheats","anybody that sends money is a moron","locals never tip","never ever tip", etc, etc.

Well, I'm glad that's not my world.

Peace amigos.I trust my gf totally. The difference is I don't expect her to not fuck other guys (and girls). As a matter of fact, that's part of the plan! Human beings weren't made to be monogamous. That's the REAL world, not MY world. It's human nature for people to fuck around, men AND women. Here in Colombia people are better looking on average, of BOTH sexes, and hormones are raging. Not to mention most people drink like crazy every weekend, there are love motels all over the city etc.

Me, if there's a gorilla in the room I'd like to see it. In the case of my gf she goes into my Facebook and picks up girls for BOTH of us. Now that's teamwork. And she has nothing to lie to me about because it's all allowed, as long as a condom is involved :P

Hasideas Tao
09-03-11, 05:29
If you're trying to find a good girl or even a hangout girl on RL? You're going about it all wrong, Its ONLY full of prepagos and get ready for an Invoice when she's done hanging out with you. Have better luck on C. C. Or L. A. C. (vet them carefully) Those girls on R. L. Hardly ever check their PUTA MAIL and only check it when they log on to R. L. Here and there. Try to get some of their facebooks or one of their many MSN screenmames (LOL). If you are feeling really bold, try and get their Blackberry Pins, a good puta will ALWAYS be available via Blackberry Messenger or MSN 24/7. But by then you already know what you have in front of you.I'm not so sure I would want them to have MY facebook page. I have some Colombian FB friends, but again, thats after I have already met them. ITs so funny when I see a girls photos and I recognize the place she is in which to me clearlly labels her "pro." Are you saying CC and LAC more of the girls actually ARE students?

Hasideas Tao
09-03-11, 05:35
I trust my gf totally. The difference is I don't expect her to not fuck other guys (and girls). As a matter of fact, that's part of the plan! Human beings weren't made to be monogamous. That's the REAL world, not MY world. It's human nature for people to fuck around, men AND women. Here in Colombia people are better looking on average, of BOTH sexes, and hormones are raging. Not to mention most people drink like crazy every weekend, there are love motels all over the city etc.

Me, if there's a gorilla in the room I'd like to see it. In the case of my gf she goes into my Facebook and picks up girls for BOTH of us. Now that's teamwork. And she has nothing to lie to me about because it's all allowed, as long as a condom is involved :PSo by what means did you meet your perfect GF who sets up threeways for you and with whom you apparently have a mutual respect?

Phunluv
09-03-11, 07:54
Hey people, it's been awhile. Just wanted to say a few things about Bango's posts. I think he's right for the most part although he exaggerates / distorts (as usual) a few things. Also, keep in mind Bango is practically a local there, he works there and gets paid in COP so the rules are a bit diff for him. Furthermore, his experience is based more on people in the capital. I would venture to say the coast is a bit different. I think the costeñas (and to a lesser extent caleñas & paisas) can be a bit more "grosera" or "inculta" and more expecting for the gringo to pay for stuff or the bf to pay for everything. Again, these are stereotypes but there are some noticeable tendencies while one's personal experience can be a bit different.

I would also say class plays into this. My speculation is that quite a number of girls in estrata 3-4 (but especially in my experience 3, LOL!) can be a bit "aspirational" and "pretentious" yet still shamelessly ask for lots of stuff, go figure. Whereas those who are poorer actually have a combination of pride and shame that inhibits them from always being annoying asking for freebies or just plain leeching off the gringo / bf.

John Gault
09-03-11, 16:22
So I recently signed up with RL a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out how to get a decent dialogue going with these women. You know, establish some rapport and hopefully get a few solid prospects. I am happy to report that Colombian women are much more pro-active as far as actually using all the little tools they provide for contacting other members, when compared to my experience with USA dating sites. They seem to like instant messaging but the girls I wish to talk are not online when I am. Browsing the photos, it often becomes pretty obvious who is a pro and who is not. But it seems like most of them check their email only once or twice a week at the internet cafe as apposed to a gringo who gets every email to his phone.

So like I said, how do you effectively get a dialogue going with them via emails? I'll write something like,"hey pretty dress" or "where did you take that photo? I want to go there!" or "do you like make-up and jewelry?" Regardless, of what I write, the most common responses have been;"you're funny" or "here's my cell, call me when you get to Colombia." I know that will work too but I also know it potentially results in a lot of last minute scrambling which I would like to avoid.

So I'm looking for success stories, tips, trigger words? Is it best to be direct or do you really need to just keep throwing darts until you hit the target?

"What needs to be said that they are looking forward to your arrival? Tell them I'm planning a big dinner party and I want them to come? I hope this will inspire a few good jokes as well as something useful.

Public posting or PM me. Its all good. Thanks!First off forget these dating sites as they are mostly Pros who will charge you plenty of money. Stop worrying about getting hooked up. As soon as you arrive in Colombia go straight to the Casas, and street girls. You will get all the sexo you want for a big discount over what you would pay those pros on those sites. Sure there are some non pros on CC, but it is not worth the trouble to sort it out. If non pros are your bag then wait till your in country, and then go to the normal spots to meet girls. If you have some Spanish, and are not bad looking you will will have some luck. Oh yeah almost forgot. You will need a little charm also.

LuckyEddie
09-03-11, 18:48
I agree with most written here. But I take issue with the percentage of putas to regular girls on those sites CC and LAC. It's more like 90% if not higher. Just offer some money for them to come to your hotel, tell them you are looking for a tour giude and novia for your vacation. They all take the money even after saying "no soy prepago". Most say that. Then ask if they have any friends interested in making money."pago bien, claro" ("I pay good money for sure") and before you know it the friends are out of the picture and she is sending you her info so that you can rendezvous.

Those sites are a joke, some of the women do it for fun, they are bored at home and just want to chat, have husbands and whatever, some profiles are gay men chatting with studly you (don't slip on the splooge) and a high percentage of the really hot broad profiles are fake just to generate business.

You can put up a profile with Ronaldo's photos written by James Bond and promise the world and none of the 9s / 10s on the site will ever get back to this superstar profile. Why? Because they are guys who work in Atlanta or North Carolina or wherever the outfit is located. The lower ones the girls that are 7/8 that do answer are flakes, already have many clients, charge big bucks and are looking for the agressive, I don't take no for an answer, alpha male who is ready to splash bucks, who make definite plans and arrival date, who talk really sure of themselves.

This one wants 250K a night.

http://www.colombiancupid.com/es/profile/showProfile/ID/1381351

I could probably make a call and get you a list of about a hundred others but why bother?

You will get tons of numbers that never get answered, email addresses that are never on MSN and it will be a wild goosechase, not worth it. To their defense they apparently put up with a ton of crap from foreigners who never show up. I have two friends in the US who swear by CC but when they get here the girls never show or have some other higher paying client so they get blown off and like John Gault says, they end of doing things the right way and go to the casa where there is a sure thing.

It is a numbers game and you may get something out of it if you don't mind spending lots of money. I tried it one and was not impressed.

Yah half the photos of these poor girls in poblado apartments or the mansion in the background jejejej, the real girls doing these sites are 1 in 30. Maybe less and they get fed up fast and drop within a few weeks.

If you want to avoid overpriced putas, flakey drama and tons of frustration stay away form these sites. If you are looking to jerk off from your home country and don't really care then by all means feel free.

LuckyEddie
09-03-11, 18:50
First off forget these dating sites as they are mostly Pros who will charge you plenty of money. Stop worrying about getting hooked up. As soon as you arrive in Colombia go straight to the Casas, and street girls. You will get all the sexo you want for a big discount over what you would pay those pros on those sites. Sure there are some non pros on CC, but it is not worth the trouble to sort it out. If non pros are your bag then wait till your in country, and then go to the normal spots to meet girls. If you have some Spanish, and are not bad looking you will will have some luck. Oh yeah almost forgot. You will need a little charm also.Sage advice . Working girls are working girls and regualr girls are regular girls and none the twain shall meet. The worst is when you think you have a regualr girl but she is giving it up for money all around town. Happens all the time.

Ricker
09-03-11, 19:01
First off forget these dating sites as they are mostly Pros who will charge you plenty of money. Stop worrying about getting hooked up. As soon as you arrive in Colombia go straight to the Casas, and street girls. You will get all the sexo you want for a big discount over what you would pay those pros on those sites. Sure there are some non pros on CC, but it is not worth the trouble to sort it out. If non pros are your bag then wait till your in country, and then go to the normal spots to meet girls. If you have some Spanish, and are not bad looking you will will have some luck. Oh yeah almost forgot. You will need a little charm also.Best advice in a while.

Play a little online to practice spanish and chevere skills, but when you get to Colombia, most of the internet contacts go to the wayside IMO.

Legal Tender
09-03-11, 23:47
I trust my gf totally. The difference is I don't expect her to not fuck other guys (and girls). As a matter of fact, that's part of the plan! Human beings weren't made to be monogamous. That's the REAL world, not MY world. It's human nature for people to fuck around, men AND women. Here in Colombia people are better looking on average, of BOTH sexes, and hormones are raging. Not to mention most people drink like crazy every weekend, there are love motels all over the city etc.

Me, if there's a gorilla in the room I'd like to see it. In the case of my gf she goes into my Facebook and picks up girls for BOTH of us. Now that's teamwork. And she has nothing to lie to me about because it's all allowed, as long as a condom is involved :PBango, I'm thinking that there is a basic flaw in your opinion. Women complain about how unfair it is that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women get called sluts for the exact same behavior. It's actually not a double standard though, because both scenarios are pretty different in terms of circumstances and consequences. I can think of at least four crucial differences:

First, sleeping around is easier for women. Regardless of how you feel about promiscuity, we can all agree that a guy who manages to rack up a lot of sexual partners has to have some skills. It's challenging for men to rack up partners, even for men with low standards. A man needs social intelligence, interpersonal skills, persistence, thick skin, and plain old dumb luck. For women, though, a vagina and a pulse is often enough. Whenever an accomplishment requires absolutely no challenge, no one respects it. It's just viewed as a lack of self-discipline. People respect those who accomplish challenging feats, while they consider those who overindulge in easily obtained feats as weak, untrustworthy or flawed.

Second, women have potential to do more harm by sleeping around than men do. Say a man sleeps around with a bunch of different women. He's definitely doing harm to these women if he pretends to be monogamous while sleeping around. He may cause them emotional pain by his promiscuity. He may cause unwanted pregnancy. He may spread VD. When women sleep around, however, they can cause not only all these same ill effects but one additional crucial ill effect: the risk of unknown parentage.

If one guy sleeps around with five women, each of whom is monogamous to him, and they all get pregnant, it's a safe bet as to who the father is. If you reverse genders and have one woman who sleeps around with five men who are monogamous to her, and she gets pregnant, the father could be any of the five men. And if one of those men is tricked into raising a baby that isn't his, he's investing time, money, estate and property to provide for a child that isn't carrying his DNA into the next generations, a costly mistake from an evolutionary standpoint.

Our two basic primal drives are to survive and to reproduce, and promiscuous women traditionally make it hard for a man to know for sure whether he is truly reproducing or is secretly raising another man's child. Men stand a lot more to lose from promiscuous women than the other way around. And it's no picnic for the child to not know who his real father is either. And it's a mess for the women carrying on the deception as well. Or just look at any random episode of the Maury show if you don't believe me.

Since the DNA test and the birth control pill didn't exist until recently, there were no reliable ways to prevent pregnancy or prove parentage for most of human history. For this reason society developed a vested interest in preventing promiscuity among women, and society accomplished this by creating the * stigma. And even though the creation of birth control and DNA tests have made this less of a risk than the past, longstanding traditions and customs are not easy for society to break so the * stigma remains.

Third, men have evolutionary reasons to be programmed to sleep around more. A lot of women roll their eyes when they hear that men are 'hard-wired' to sleep around. But from an evolutionary standpoint, it makes total sense. If the two primal drives of humans are to survive and to reproduce, nothing leads to maximum reproduction like one man sleeping with multiple women. If one women sleeps with many men in a nine month period, she can only get pregnant just once. Nine months of rampant promiscuity would give the same result as nine months of highly sexed monogamy: one pregnancy. Now if one man sleeps with many women during a nine month period, you can get many pregnancies during that period. The more women he sleeps with, the more possible pregnancies.

So from an evolutionary standpoint, there are concrete advantages to men being promiscuous compared to women being promiscuous. This doesn't mean that women have evolved to be strictly monogamous. Women have evolved to be somewhat promiscuous too, something men badly underestimate. However they haven't evolved to be as rampantly promiscuous as men.

Fourth, promiscuity poses more risk to women than to men. A woman has more to lose from choosing bad sex partners than a man does. She's the one who gets stuck with going through a pregnancy and taking care of a baby alone if she chooses a deadbeat. For this reason, promiscuous women throughout history have historically been viewed as being a vastly more irresponsible risk takers than promiscuous men, who rightly or wrongly could always run away from the consequences of unwanted pregnancies easier than women could.

These four reasons explain why the longstanding tradition came about of men being rewarded for multiple partners while women get socially punished for similar promiscuity. Of course all this is gradually changing, but we're up against millenia of evolutionary and cultural conditioning here, so don't expect any dramatic overnight reversals.

Understand that I'm just explaining why the double standard came into existence and not condoning or condemning it. This is not an attempt to pass judgment or be self-righteous in any way. It's just an explanation of why the two conditions are treated differently. In all circumstances, I'm wishing. . . .

Only good energy!

Colbrotha
09-04-11, 05:25
So I recently signed up with RL a couple weeks ago and I'm trying to figure out how to get a decent dialogue going with these women. You know, establish some rapport and hopefully get a few solid prospects.

So I'm looking for success stories, tips, trigger words? Is it best to be direct or do you really need to just keep throwing darts until you hit the target?I'm curious. How good is your Spanish? Bien, mas o menos, mas bien poco? Spanish will come into play as soon as you get off the plane. Unfortunately, these women, whom I consider to be the hottest on the planet, are clueless collectively when it comes to speaking English. At times when you mix in the Violence, General Delinquency, Corruption, Insecurity and the most important one "A constant gettin' over / Shark eat Shark / mentality", it's like Heaven and Hell mixed into one big frying pan, not "melting pot". You're best weapon against these foes would be your language skills and your street smarts. Colombians, since birth, are forced unlike the "SOFT" Americans to survive in all conditions. Most women you may encounter, although top shelf in the LOOKS department, may not be that book smart, or business savvy, but extremely acute with "STREET SMARTS".

Slamcity's "tough love" or kidney poking / prodding is very useful as well as Bango's "in your face" ironical at times cynical cold reality posts about the mindset of the modern Colombian woman with respect to relationships with locals / gringos. We can all appreciate the time taken to voice one's opinions like Legal Tender's Essay Format response to the Double Standard.

Lately, members have been discussing the "no-no's" of tipping in Colombia unlike in the US and Europe. Ud sabe porque? Because it's fuckin' up the game for everybody in Colombia. It's raising prices in the SC / MP / CASAS. And they, the Colombianas, are getting more and more spoiled. I was so hoping to check out Loutron on my next visit to Colombia, first visit to Medellin, but from what I've been reading about it lately, it's completely downhill-overpriced, too mechanical, and lowest quality since their inception. I personally have never tipped a Pro, but then again, I don't require all the extras (BBBJ / DATY / GREEK) like other members. I speak the language, and know the culture, but since I don't look Colombian, I stand out. What's the point of all this? DO YOUR BEST TO NOT STAND OUT. It is a disadvantage, and quickly can become a reason for everybody to feed into the "MARK" scenario. Do you know what a "Paseo Millionario" is? And to think that it happens to locals, not even gringos. Can you imagine?

What will you do with yourself when you spot a "10"? Come back and tell the forum your story, that's what, because you will see one soon enough. Peace.

Oh Ya Papi
09-04-11, 05:43
This is dead on. Thanks!


Bango, I'm thinking that there is a basic flaw in your opinion. Women complain about how unfair it is that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women get called sluts for the exact same behavior...

Mr Enternational
09-04-11, 16:01
Bango, I'm thinking that there is a basic flaw in your opinion. Women complain about how unfair it is that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women get called sluts for the exact same behavior. It's actually not a double standard though, because both scenarios are pretty different in terms of circumstances and consequences. I can think of at least four crucial differences:

First, sleeping around is easier for women. Regardless of how you feel about promiscuity, we can all agree that a guy who manages to rack up a lot of sexual partners has to have some skills. It's challenging for men to rack up partners, even for men with low standards. A man needs social intelligence, interpersonal skills, persistence, thick skin, and plain old dumb luck. For women, though, a vagina and a pulse is often enough. Whenever an accomplishment requires absolutely no challenge, no one respects it. It's just viewed as a lack of self-discipline. People respect those who accomplish challenging feats, while they consider those who overindulge in easily obtained feats as weak, untrustworthy or flawed.I agree 99% with what you said. I just think the pulse is optional.

Phunluv
09-04-11, 16:20
Ok fellas, here's the deal with those cupido sites, at least from my experience.

It's just a social tool in your kit, if you're totally relying on it, you're going to run into frustration. I've actually met a bunch of nice non-pros through these sites, but most of those girls will require lots of work and time to bed them. Time that you probably don't have. Still, it's nice to have a non-pro "tour guide" that you can take on outings or evening dates and never worry about the local guys thinking she's a prepaga; even if she's not the hottest thing around, that's a nice advantage, makes me feel more secure and relaxed in social outings with the locals I know. Just remember it's wise to keep the pro and non-pro worlds as separate as possible in this country, otherwise your fun vacation will go down the tubes, and life can even get quite complicated!

I think it's getting harder nowadays though because the good girls have gotten scared away. One girl I've dated through the CC site (and still keep in contact with) told me she's sworn off all those sites because she keeps getting crazy propositions from the guys almost right off the bat. I'm sure she's not the only one who feels that way. Thus the sites become a self-selecting forum for prepagas and the guys who are looking for p4p.

So over time, a number of the "good girls" or even some of the "party-type" non-pros who still think themselves above the prepagas (this is Colombia remember, lots of social bs and pettiness) have left out of frustration, fear, or just plain sick and tired of all the propositions.

So it is possible to meet a "normal" colombiana on these sites, just that it's harder nowadays because the girls are much more guarded; and just keep in mind that "normal" in Colombia means a certain amount of flakiness that not even the local men can avoid, LOL! .

Sailor Jim
09-04-11, 17:42
I agree 99% with what you said. I just think the pulse is optional.What's the one thing a woman has to do in order to be good in bed? Show up. Elliot Gould

Sailor Jim
09-04-11, 17:51
The Colombian Cupid sites are a no win, putas posing as regular girls, saying they are looking for a meaningful relationship and marriage. This so they can get the tourist to fall in love and send money every month. Bring up sex for your vacation and prices come into the discussion- The puta is always a puta.

There are casa girls and mayorista girls on these sites and when you contact them on the site for sex they are wanting to charge LOTS of money. Yet you can have her at the casa, no dinner, no presents, no waste of time, for 35K. And you are not walking the streets with a known puta. The girls on these sites totally play the dumb tourist. Which is why the vets and smart new comers don't even discuss these here. Until now. Don't waste your time, go for the done deal.

Sad thing is tourists come down looking for a wife, fall in love, send money every month, get married, start singing "My Girl" by the Temptations, bring her back home and after she gets citizenship she bolts, was fucking other guys the whole time before and afer and you are left paying alimony and singing Smokey Robinson "The Tears of a Clown."

Bango Cheito
09-04-11, 19:48
So by what means did you meet your perfect GF who sets up threeways for you and with whom you apparently have a mutual respect?I met her in a threesome actually hahahahahaah, no word of a lie.

It was going to be just a real hot night of dirty sex and it wound up blossoming into a serious relationship, with LOTS of hot nights of dirty sex. .

It also took me 2 years to find her. A year ago I was seeing that girl from Ibague, and we were in the same plan, but she just couldn't deal with having a romantic relationship with me when I knew all her dirty little secrets. But all's well that ends well, my current gf and I are going to visit her in 2 weeks and have a threesome!

Bango Cheito
09-04-11, 19:56
Hey people, it's been awhile. Just wanted to say a few things about Bango's posts. I think he's right for the most part although he exaggerates / distorts (as usual) a few things. Also, keep in mind Bango is practically a local there, he works there and gets paid in COP so the rules are a bit diff for him. Furthermore, his experience is based more on people in the capital. I would venture to say the coast is a bit different. I think the costeñas (and to a lesser extent caleñas & paisas) can be a bit more "grosera" or "inculta" and more expecting for the gringo to pay for stuff or the bf to pay for everything. Again, these are stereotypes but there are some noticeable tendencies while one's personal experience can be a bit different.

I would also say class plays into this. My speculation is that quite a number of girls in estrata 3-4 (but especially in my experience 3, LOL!) can be a bit "aspirational" and "pretentious" yet still shamelessly ask for lots of stuff, go figure. Whereas those who are poorer actually have a combination of pride and shame that inhibits them from always being annoying asking for freebies or just plain leeching off the gringo / bf.I'll be the first to admit that. Costeñas are the most materialistic girls in the whole country, they are famous for that wherever you go here. Actually most non-costeño Colombians won't even give the time of day to a costeña, even a stunner, for this reason and others.

I make a point of making it clear to any potential new prospect for pussy that I already have a gf, I work here, make COP and have NO intention of leaving, that I can't stand the USA and only go there to see my kids. That chases off the vast majority of the gold-diggers from jump.

Another big pitfall is the people who just want to brag to people they have a foreigner in their circle of friends, and try to make friends with you just for this purpose.

Especially since I've now got a steady gf, I just go straight for the sex with any new girl who talks to me, unless there's a potential business relationship or some other serious common interest that would warrant a genuine friendship.

Mr Enternational
09-04-11, 20:06
Ok fellas, here's the deal with those cupido sites, at least from my experience.

It's just a social tool in your kit, if you're totally relying on it, you're going to run into frustration. I've actually met a bunch of nice non-pros through these sites, but most of those girls will require lots of work and time to bed them. Time that you probably don't have. Still, it's nice to have a non-pro "tour guide" that you can take on outings or evening dates and never worry about the local guys thinking she's a prepaga; even if she's not the hottest thing around, that's a nice advantage, makes me feel more secure and relaxed in social outings with the locals I know.

I think it's getting harder nowadays though because the good girls have gotten scared away. One girl I've dated through the CC site (and still keep in contact with) told me she's sworn off all those sites because she keeps getting crazy propositions from the guys almost right off the bat. I'm sure she's not the only one who feels that way. Thus the sites become a self-selecting forum for prepagas and the guys who are looking for p4p.

So over time, a number of the "good girls" or even some of the "party-type" non-pros who still think themselves above the prepagas (this is Colombia remember, lots of social bs and pettiness) have left out of frustration, fear, or just plain sick and tired of all the propositions.Phunluv your experience is the closest one that mirrors my own. Except I must add that 9 times out of 10 I am fucking mine on the first time. I can't count on one hand the times I have not. I have been signing up on the site for 3 months every year since August 2005. If there are that many hookers and gold diggers on the site as most of these guy are saying, then I never encounter them. I was even in the DR last week and a friend of mine who lives there said that every girl he meets on the site has asked him for money. I was dumbfounded. That has been the complete opposite of my experience for the past 6 years. As a matter of fact a Dominican girl chewed me out the other day because I offered to pay for the babysitter when she came 3 hours from her house to visit me.

Her: TENDRE QUE BUSCAR UNA BABY SYRY PARA QUE ME CUYDE A MY HYJA (I have to find someone to watch my daughter)

Me: solo dejame saber cuanto cuesta (just let me know how much it costs)

Her: NO YO NO QUYERO NADA YO NO SOY DE ESA CLASE DE MUJER (No. I don't want anything. I am not that type of woman.)

Me: que clase? (What type?)

Her: ME OFENDE YO NO SOY ASY (I'm offended. I am not like that.)

Her: MY AMOR NO TE PREOCUPES YO TRABAJO YO TENGO DYNERO (Baby. Don't worry. I work. I have money.)

Artisttyp
09-04-11, 21:17
First off forget these dating sites as they are mostly Pros who will charge you plenty of money. Stop worrying about getting hooked up. As soon as you arrive in Colombia go straight to the Casas, and street girls. You will get all the sexo you want for a big discount over what you would pay those pros on those sites. Sure there are some non pros on CC, but it is not worth the trouble to sort it out. If non pros are your bag then wait till your in country, and then go to the normal spots to meet girls. If you have some Spanish, and are not bad looking you will will have some luck. Oh yeah almost forgot. You will need a little charm also.This response is golden.

Bango Cheito
09-04-11, 21:48
Bango, I'm thinking that there is a basic flaw in your opinion. Women complain about how unfair it is that men are called studs when they sleep around, yet women get called sluts for the exact same behavior. It's actually not a double standard though, because both scenarios are pretty different in terms of circumstances and consequences. I can think of at least four crucial differences:

First, sleeping around is easier for women. Regardless of how you feel about promiscuity, we can all agree that a guy who manages to rack up a lot of sexual partners has to have some skills. It's challenging for men to rack up partners, even for men with low standards. A man needs social intelligence, interpersonal skills, persistence, thick skin, and plain old dumb luck. For women, though, a vagina and a pulse is often enough. Whenever an accomplishment requires absolutely no challenge, no one respects it. It's just viewed as a lack of self-discipline. People respect those who accomplish challenging feats, while they consider those who overindulge in easily obtained feats as weak, untrustworthy or flawed.I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think this is a deep universal NATURAL truth. I think it's a CULTURAL truth, and thus it varies from culture to culture. Nature is far far FAR stronger than culture.

Here in Colombia you can be stupid broke and a bad conversationalist, but if you're drop dead gorgeous AS A MALE you will get pussy.

Ultimately physical attractiveness is your chief playing card in getting "non-pros" (really meaning getting it without paying for it directly AND indirectly) ANYWHERE in the world. And there are some absolute physical standards that are not dependent on culture as well. Ask the ancient Greeks.

Women are only so hard to get because of the stupid fucked up philosophies we put into practice in our daily lives, byproducts of our rotten deformed and unhealthy religions and other cultural institutions. In the natural world both men and women have easy access to each other!

I really am starting to think we were better off in the Paleo era without all this garbage of "civilization".

Hioctane
09-05-11, 05:51
I agree with most written here. But I take issue with the percentage of putas to regular girls on those sites CC and LAC. It's more like 90% if not higher. Just offer some money for them to come to your hotel, tell them you are looking for a tour giude and novia for your vacation. They all take the money even after saying "no soy prepago". Most say that. Then ask if they have any friends interested in making money."pago bien, claro" ("I pay good money for sure") and before you know it the friends are out of the picture and she is sending you her info so that you can rendezvous.That is precisely why these dating sites have turned to shit. Gringos keep offering girls money as soon as they start talking. Even if they are not prepagos, pretty soon after a couple of times and if somehow something happens in their life and they need money. What do you know. A regular girl just turned into a prepago! There are still some regular girls but it's getting fewer and far between. Dating sites are not the way to get regular girls anymore.

Pirata2011
09-05-11, 15:19
Of course there are a lot of prepagos and gold-diggers on these sites. I would though like to say that I have found several honest and goodlooking girls on Colombian Cupid. But one have to be patient and accept those problems that has been mentioned. CC I find useful for finding female friends since I 'm learing spanish and for every trip it gets better and during my last trip I could participate really well in my colombian friends conversations.

I find Romancelatina, Amolatina, Colombian Sweethearts and several others to be fraud. In some cases the sites themseves are rip-off. In some cases, as Romancelatina, practically all the girls are prepagos.

Even if CC have a lot of prepagos / gold-diggers it is still a good site, considering the circumstances. And one have to be realistic. Maybe a medium goodlooking girlfriend is what you can get. The art of the game is then to keep your visits to prepagos / casas totally separate from your ordinary female friends.

Just my 3 cents.

MiamiHeatLuver
09-05-11, 15:49
These are some things I cannot live without and bring with me over the many years traveling there!

In no particular order:

Condoms, I hate those thick Colombian Today condoms, I like my Kimonos.

Power strips and extension cords, there are never enough power outlets to plug in all of today's electronics in Colombia.. and instead of shit plugged in all over the place, I like all my shit consolidated.

A fan, Yes i travel with a small fan and it comes in handy with NO AC especially in MDE, people say you dont need AC or a FAN in MDE, I say on most days for me that's BS, I like a breeze all the time.

Cialis: There is no generic Cialis and they are like 25k each, so I bring like 10 packs of LA PELA, lol

No LAPTOP, Now all I bring is an IPAD, does everything I need to do and I can leave my business shit separate. Love putting in my earbuds and getting lost on the plane. Plus no nosy novias going through your shit.

Antacid and Aspirin: Waking up with guyabo sucks but waking up with guayabo and heartburn from the cialis and rum is MUCH WORSE!!

Cables and Cords: Dont forget all of the cables and cords and chargers belonging to all of your electronics, Including your cell phones chargers and battery charger for your digital camera.

Memory Cards: I bring at least 6 of them, some for family, novia and friends and the other for mongering purposes. YOU KNOW how much your novia and all girls love looking at all of the pics and vids on your camera. Can you imagine forgetting the wrong memory card in your camera??

Update your IPOD: These girls love the latest music and it will really get them in the mood to dance and get busy. Have the good new shit in your IPOD

Have a good pair of portable speakers: For those late night encounters and dancing!!

Have your little black book: Keep it updated and hidden, lol

Have some nice clothes and dress shirts: Common guys, don't be a walmart gringo!

Digital Color copy of your PASSPORT: I have 2 really nice copies of my passport I take everywhere I go! The original goes right into the safe!

Credit Cards: Call ALL of your credit card companies and give them a "travel advisory" You don't want to get embarrassed when you least expect it right? Then trying to call the FRAUD DEPARTMENT at 4am from a Colombian cell, lol!

Colombian cell: I have 2 of them, One for my novia and one for the BANDIDAS that stays OFF! Imagine your second phone ringing because you forgot to turn it off, and your novia is over??? "Goose is cooked"

Ear Plugs and Eye Mask: I swear this sometimes is the most important thing for me on a trip, It can get noisy in Colombia and these are invaluable. Recharge those batteries.

Packing tape: I know this sounds funny but tape shut good all of those shampoos and creams in your suitcase or they WILL open and blow up all over your shit.

Extra $ store toothbrushes like 10 of them, I like to DFK special friends. I make them brush their teeth and they ain't using mines lol, fuck yeah I do!!

Regalitos: Some little gifts, nothing exorbitant of course, goes a long way! I pick up on sale decent shit from Walgreens and CVS.

I think that's it for now.. I will update as I go along..

Member #4394
09-05-11, 18:23
Good suggestion. I bring quite similar, plus disinfectant wipes (hard to find in Co) , eau de toilet, instant coffee / capuccino I like, Peptobismo and antibiotic gel (though you can buy pills in Co).


These are some things I cannot live without and bring with me over the many years traveling there!

El Greco
09-05-11, 19:06
These are some things I cannot live without and bring with me over the many years traveling there!.Well done.

I am still using some apps that can not work on Ipads so I am taking a longer 5m LAN cable for my 10" net book, some sleeping pills for the first few days to help me overcome the jet lag and 3-4m of light but strong string line in case I buy something that I have to tie better. Especially from the Far East.

Thanks

Bango Cheito
09-05-11, 19:11
Good suggestion. I bring quite similar, plus disinfectant wipes (hard to find in Co) , eau de toilet, instant coffee / capuccino I like, Peptobismo and antibiotic gel (though you can buy pills in Co).I never go anywhere without a pack of wipes. Comes in especially handy as bathrooms don't have TP or they charge for it here. You can buy a pack at Carrefour / Exito and many pharmacys, costs like 1100 or something, cheaper than in the US.

I use the extra-sensible "M" brand condoms, the ones in the white pack. I've never tried Kimonos but they're much better than the "todays". The Dexex aren't bad either, but I prefer the "M". They also have "condones de tarjeta" here which come in a card-sized pack and have little packs of lube that are separate. I don't like the condones de tarjeta, they irritate my tip. Some of my friends swear by them.

You shouldn't brush your teeth OR make your partner (s) brush THEIR teeth 45 minutes before playtime. It's an STD risk.

Hillbilly69
09-05-11, 21:32
i have pretty much what you have plus this stuff, relize i go carry on only, mostly because of lost suitcases and speed.

8 suitcase locks.

bike cable to lock suitcases to bed.

pacsafe security backpack- too many times no room safe or letter openers.

milokie locking device for the room safe.

200 dollars in pesos from previous trip.

wad of 1 and 5 dollar bills, tips for porters, security, and such.

small post-it notes and plenty of pens, taking email and phone numbers on plane of chics lol.

extra unused prepaid phone sim cards from previous trips.

certified copy of birth certificate.

1 flash drive to copy pics off computer and hide from gf lol.

a few containers of orange tic tacs.

cock-lube flavored and i have no idea what it tastes like.

small cans axe body spray that are under tsa size limit that go in quart sized zip lock.

extra zip lock bags for keeping things dry.

under belt hidden money belt.

charcoal pills.

tylenol pm.

skype phone, yes i have the app but need extra privacy at times.

noise cancellation head phones.

ipod nano.

travel pillow hooked to outside of backpack.

2 cameras 1 waterproof floatable handle and extra batteries.

strawberry licorice i watched 2 kids pull out their stash and start chucking theirs one day so now i do the same.

2 pairs sunglasses.

universal battery charger for cell phones and cameras.

in cartagena add large 40 can cooler, football, sun block, flip flops, tennis shoes,a small pac safe fannie pack, shorts beach and dress.

Mr Enternational
09-06-11, 01:21
That is precisely why these dating sites have turned to shit. Gringos keep offering girls money as soon as they start talking. Even if they are not prepagos, pretty soon after a couple of times and if somehow something happens in their life and they need money. What do you know. A regular girl just turned into a prepago! There are still some regular girls but it's getting fewer and far between. Dating sites are not the way to get regular girls anymore.I was just be*tching in the Bangkok thread yesterday. A guy said he met a girl on tagged, they fucked, and he gave her US$50 for a "taxi" without her even asking. First of all you can get from one end of Bangkok to the other in a taxi for $4. Guys in the Philippines keep doing the same shit. I just don't understand why guys keep trying to money to women they meet on dating sites.

LuckyEddie
09-06-11, 02:02
That is precisely why these dating sites have turned to shit. Gringos keep offering girls money as soon as they start talking. Even if they are not prepagos, pretty soon after a couple of times and if somehow something happens in their life and they need money. What do you know. A regular girl just turned into a prepago! There are still some regular girls but it's getting fewer and far between. Dating sites are not the way to get regular girls anymore.These sites have been inundated with pros since around 2008. Gringos offering money and buying gifts started first, in person, and this caused the women to hit the internet and flock to these sites over time. Some of these women are connnected all day long. A good amt of the girls are blatant pros, and the others reveal after a little time. Sorry but it is no secret. Most good girl no npros, non interesada no visa hunters just do't put themselves on the internet. This ain't the US.

My US buddies figured out they are mostly all pros in a week.

Put a profile with 2 pics that are pretty different but obviously you. Hide the uglier one. Send a stack of emails to all kinds of girls, all ages, ignore their age requirements. Mark them as favourites. Profile and email should be "serious relationship, tired of mentiras, looking for the real thing, looking to settle down, I'm a good guy treat women with respect, blah blah blah"

You will get some responses, sure.

After two weeks switch the photo to the uglier one and alter your profile and your mail to "I am coming to Colombia in a week, for a 1 week vacation, looking for a tour guide, someone fun who likes to go out and be romantic" you can even up your age by 5 years. Send to the same list of favourites.

You will get triple response for profile #2 and the girls who do respond will be the hotter ones. The response will be a phone number. Or an email address. You don't even need to ask for it. The same girls who blew you off two weeks earlier with the younge rlooming, younger aged proifle of "looking for a non pro real girl" will be ready to meet you now no questions asked.

Those girls go out with a different gringo every week. Ask them, they will tell you they have not met anyone (or they wil cop to one gringo once). Yet they have been on the site for 4 years.

Put up a slobby old man perv profile and get the same response as your good guy profile. Guess what? Your non pro looking for love,"No soy prepago" will go out with anyone, even your dog.

The CC and LAC sites are a joke for noobs looking for the real girl, non pro thrill. The 1 in 50 that are genuine are total flakes, tough nuts to crack and are not looking for a guy on a 1 week vacation. A waste of time unless you live here, speak the language and even then convincing them that you are not a monger is no easy task. They know better. Foreigner are sex tourists until proven otherwise thanks to Pirry's Sunday night show and countless foreigners here. Are you still going to plame bozos on a sex site because they offer money?

Another issue is that Medellin is loaded with charming foreigners in their late 20s early 30s who have game. The 40+ monger from Skokie just ain't the same anymore in the eyes of the non pros. The gringo boyfriend these days is actually a negative where some years ago it was fashionable.

Johnny Gault hits the nail on the head. Look at artitsyp's quote a few down. For people like us on this board who know better these sites are a frustrating crap shoot and a waste of time.

Legal Tender
09-06-11, 02:38
That is precisely why these dating sites have turned to shit. Gringos keep offering girls money as soon as they start talking. Even if they are not prepagos, pretty soon after a couple of times and if somehow something happens in their life and they need money. What do you know. A regular girl just turned into a prepago! There are still some regular girls but it's getting fewer and far between. Dating sites are not the way to get regular girls anymore.In this world there is no equality or fairness. If you are a person of some financial substance, and a girl from ANY place on this earth who is substantially less affluent than her amigo, novio, benefactor, or whatever label you want to put on in, but I don't think "provider" and "hobbiest" creates a true picture. My assumption is that the dudes that use the dating sites are looking for something other than just sex. There are no "regular" girls in Medellin that are available unless you fly in on your private jet. And without being too argumentative, ask your mama if she was a prepago because the old man gave her some gift before the nuptials. But I guess that is different. I just can't see any difference.

I digressed. If you can "help" in Colombian society, except at the very top of the socio-economic strata, it's expected. So, you gift a few green pieces of paper with dead president's pictures on them, and what do you get in return? Hopefully, some of the best sex you have ever had. One might ever find a slight degree of self satisfaction for having done a good thing. My view, I understand is different than others. I am evangelical about it because it brings. .

Only good energy!

P. S. I'm in Bs As now with my Colombian treasure. Bottom line, I love Medellin, but Bs As is special. It's the start of Spring, so the weather is perfect. I haven't had a meal here that hasn't been simply excellent. With some hesitation, I will state something that would be blasphemous to any fellow Texas. I had the best rib eye that I've even put a lip on. It is rightly called "The Paris of South America." Beautiful weather, great food, many interesting places, and the novelty of sex with a sweet and oh so willing Paisa in an exotic new place is too good to be true. I think I've died and gone to heaven. My Colombiana has to be back for her university classes on Wednesday. It's an all night flight, but she's young, and life is not fair. So long beautiful weather, great food, and interesting places, for the rest give me a to go box (put intended, Bango).

Latin Lover77
09-06-11, 16:40
I am going to Barranquilla in a month, Oct11-Oct16. I read some posts on here that mentioned some great info as to what to take along with me. I didn't even consider taking a power strip to utilize one outlet for my cell to charge and laptop etc. Thanks for that heads up! I plan on taking my own shampoo etc. And securing those in ziplock bags in case they break.

I am curious most of all about how much money I should take with me and if I need to still carry US currency. When I get to the airport exit do I need to pay the taxi using peso's or can I just give us currency? I am not going to shop but to meet a girl I've talked to for the past 4 months and sightsee. We will spend most of the time in the room and doing things I want so what is an expected amount of money that I should bring? I was thinking around $400 american. Should I change it before I leave the US or change it at a bank near the hotel I am staying at? What sucks is that $50 US converts to like 89500 pesos but when I change it here I only get 75000 pesos.

Anybody with some tips or advice for my first trip would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally excited and nervous.

Hioctane
09-06-11, 17:53
Thanks for the list of items you bring on your trips. I'm adding some to my list!

Speaking of bringing stuff. For all those that drink. Is it cheaper to bring your own liquor? Imported products are VERY expensive in Colombia. I don't remember how the prices for liquor at Exito compares to the US.

Hilltopper
09-06-11, 22:25
I am going to Barranquilla in a month, Oct11-Oct16. I read some posts on here that mentioned some great info as to what to take along with me. I didn't even consider taking a power strip to utilize one outlet for my cell to charge and laptop etc. Thanks for that heads up! I plan on taking my own shampoo etc. And securing those in ziplock bags in case they break.

I am curious most of all about how much money I should take with me and if I need to still carry US currency. When I get to the airport exit do I need to pay the taxi using peso's or can I just give us currency? I am not going to shop but to meet a girl I've talked to for the past 4 months and sightsee. We will spend most of the time in the room and doing things I want so what is an expected amount of money that I should bring? I was thinking around $400 american. Should I change it before I leave the US or change it at a bank near the hotel I am staying at? What sucks is that $50 US converts to like 89500 pesos but when I change it here I only get 75000 pesos.

Anybody with some tips or advice for my first trip would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally excited and nervous.

Pay for the taxi (pay for everything) in Colombian Pesos. I suggest you re-program your mind to think in COP as soon as you touch ground and until your board the plane to depart. Since you don't already have some COP with you from a prior trip, I'd hit the ATM at the airport upon arrival prior to hailing a taxi. If you plan on a return trip, be sure to take some pesos (for me 100-200 mil works) home with you (especially some smaller denominations) so that you'll have some with you next time (comes in very handy). I've never changed dollars for COP here in the States prior to a trip 'cause I always have some with me from the previous trip and also hit the ATM at the airport upon arrival in Colombia. If you're a guy who chooses not to use an ATM card, then I could see changing a small amount of dollars (say 20 to 40) to COP prior to your trip just to ensure that you have a few pesos in your pocket prior to hitting the ground. Otherwise just wait to change your dollars to COP after you hit the ground (oh the casa de cambio in the airport typically pays a little less than the others, but more than what you'd get from your USA bank back home).

When I was in CTG recently, the casa de cambio I checked in on was giving 1720 COP per $1 USD, while I received around 1770 (net of a built-in small translation fee; be advised that some USA banks charge a 3% or more fee each international usage) using my ATM card. I typically stick with the ATM machines for getting COP's since I personally prefer not to carry much in USD on my person when traveling. I do always take some USD in case of emergency and to have with me upon my return. I also take more than one ATM card and a credit card as back-up. They all remain in the room safe except when / unless needed.

To me one of the most crucial things mentioned by others below is to make a couple color copies of your passport and to leave your passport in your room safe from the time of your arrival until you go to depart. When outside the apt / room, I carry one color copy with me at all times; the other is a back-up.

How much should you take with you or budget for your trip? I haven't a clue; we all have different tastes, spending habits, etc. If I were you, I'd try to back into it by breaking it down into categories such as alcohol, creepy, food, snacks, restaurants and entertainment, P4P (she may be on the rag or not put out as much as you'd like) , etc, etc. Departmentalize / categorize and then add-up the parts to arrive at your whole, then add a cushion and have some back-up just-in-case.

One last thought, if you haven't already purchased your airline tickets, I'd strongly consider three things: staying a little longer; chatting-up a 2nd and 3rd chica between now and then; and leaving open the possibility of spending a night or two in CTG prior to your departure just in case the girl you're going to see ends-up giving you a severe case of the blue balls. She'll probably make the love to you like never before, but when in Colombia I think you'll find that back-up plans and having / leaving room for flexibility are your dear friend. Actually, not planning too much in advance and having a great deal of flexibility to go with the flow while there is the probably the best advice I can give. I'd caution you about boxing yourself into a bunch of advance set plans with any one or more chicas.

Having more than one chica's cell number and the flexibility of not being committed to too many set plans will serve you well.

Have a blast!

HT

John Gault
09-06-11, 22:50
I am going to Barranquilla in a month, Oct11-Oct16. I read some posts on here that mentioned some great info as to what to take along with me. I didn't even consider taking a power strip to utilize one outlet for my cell to charge and laptop etc. Thanks for that heads up! I plan on taking my own shampoo etc. And securing those in ziplock bags in case they break.

I am curious most of all about how much money I should take with me and if I need to still carry US currency. When I get to the airport exit do I need to pay the taxi using peso's or can I just give us currency? I am not going to shop but to meet a girl I've talked to for the past 4 months and sightsee. We will spend most of the time in the room and doing things I want so what is an expected amount of money that I should bring? I was thinking around $400 american. Should I change it before I leave the US or change it at a bank near the hotel I am staying at? What sucks is that $50 US converts to like 89500 pesos but when I change it here I only get 75000 pesos.

Anybody with some tips or advice for my first trip would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally excited and nervous.What do you plan on paying for your five nights in your hotel? This will be your major expense if you are staying in a nice hotel. The $400 could be almost killed right then and there.

Sounds like the girl will be with you a lot of the time. That means your food bill is at the very least double than if you were solo.

Don't change your money in the USA. Use a ATM card for pesos, and also have a cash back up if you have trouble with your ATM card. Myself I always have four different ATM cards plus a cash backup, That may sound like overkill, but I have never had to call the USA, and beg for someone to send me money.

To the point, the $400 is cutting it close but possible if you don't include your hotel bill. PM me for a good hotel for around $45.

You can pay for the taxi in pesos or dollars, but it is always better to pay in local currency.

Have fun, and if the girl does not meet your expectations there is always P4P in BAQ.

Hillbilly69
09-06-11, 22:52
Thanks for the list of items you bring on your trips. I'm adding some to my list!

Speaking of bringing stuff. For all those that drink. Is it cheaper to bring your own liquor? Imported products are VERY expensive in Colombia. I don't remember how the prices for liquor at Exito compares to the US.Goes without saying for alot of you, but yea I forgot I get 2 bottles at Duty Free even though I don't drink liquor. I get one bottle Malibu Rum and one bottle Absolute Vodka, especially in CTG inviting chics back to apartment for a party is always good to have some liquor. Whatever I have left in Cartagena I buy cups and ice and share it with Tony, his employees and all the other beach touts on my last day. I had Tony so fucking drunk he couldn't walk or speak more than once and crying like a baby. LOL

Mr Enternational
09-06-11, 23:01
I am curious most of all about how much money I should take with me and if I need to still carry US currency. When I get to the airport exit do I need to pay the taxi using peso's or can I just give us currency? I am not going to shop but to meet a girl I've talked to for the past 4 months and sightsee. We will spend most of the time in the room and doing things I want so what is an expected amount of money that I should bring? I was thinking around $400 american. Should I change it before I leave the US or change it at a bank near the hotel I am staying at? What sucks is that $50 US converts to like 89500 pesos but when I change it here I only get 75000 pesos.

Anybody with some tips or advice for my first trip would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally excited and nervous.NEVER change money in the USA. The rate is always much lower plus they hit you with fees and stuff. Just take your ATM card and get money from the machines.

NEVER attempt to pay people in countries outside of the USA in dollars (unless it is a country such as Panama that uses dollars as their currency.) You are just going to rip yourself off.

I wouldn't think you were going to shop because there is nothing to shop for. Sight see? LOL. There is nothing to sight see either. I think you are making a big mistake. You just better hope this girl even shows up.

Oh and don't forget that hotels in Colombia charge per person not per room. So if you get a room for one person at $45, the same room could be from $60 - $90 if two people stay in it.

MiamiHeatLuver
09-08-11, 16:53
For all of you Western Union Novios, Dia de Amor y Amistad (Colombian Valentines Day, It is a HUGE HUGE deal for them!) is September 17th. So maybe yo would like to change it up a little and get your "novias" something different and more personal instead of the usual wire transfer?

This place has nice gifts, is reliable and delivers door to door. Believe me next time you see your "novia" she won't forget it and will just about guarantee you some good nookie! Je je.

ANYBODY ELSE have some links they want to share?

www.1vende.com

oh and P.S. YES she WILL expect something from you on Feb 14th as well!

Ricker
09-08-11, 17:52
For all of you Western Union Novios, Dia de Amor y Amistad (Colombian Valentines Day, It is a HUGE HUGE deal for them!) is September 17th. So maybe yo would like to change it up a little and get your "novias" something different and more personal instead of the usual wire transfer?Good reminder Heat, thanks amigo!

Ricker
09-08-11, 18:10
Well, I just got back from a 2-week Cali, then Sao Paulo, Brazil run.

PART 1, CALI: Girlfriend time

I spent about a week or so in Cali and for the first time ever in Colombia, I decided I was only going to be with one girl on this trip, my long time girlfriend there of almost 5 years.

I met her when she was 18 and she just keeps getting better.

Anyway, we hung out together practically the whole time in Cali. She's one of those fun, sweet girls who you can just be with and they don't bug ya.

Between exploring, boating, fishing, partying, dancing (I try jajaja) , movies, walks, family, malls, swimming, lounging, etc, etc, and of course bailando en la cama, I had the best time I've ever had in Colombia, really.

I have to say, I stopped by one day at Dr Amor, as I happened to be walking by there, by myself.

I know the guys and lady managers that run the place, said my holas, and sat on one of the sofas for the presentations of the chicas.

Man that place has lots of chicas, I think there was about 40 of them that day.

Anyway, of course there was a little hottie I liked, and I took her to the more private area were you can talk with them a bit.

I have to say I was tempted, she was pretty cute, but again my girlfriend was just a couple blocks away, waiting patiently for me.

I had to make a decision; jump in the sack with this chica for a qucikie, or stick to my vow and go have great GF love with my girl waiting. I chose the latter, giving the little cutie from Dr Amor a little propina for her time and leaving for my girlfriend.
Great decision, as of course she gives me the real love sex as opposed to the boom boom, see ya sex.

Anyway, I had a great time in Cali, seeing the city and it's outlying areas in a different light and not just chasing tail.
It's nice to be with a girl who you know is really into you and not just looking for your loot.


PART 2, SP BRAZIL: Fun

Well I know SP very well, and I don't want to give a full Brazil report here on the Colombian forum, but let me tell you my general observations.
I believe the Colombianas to be the hottest looking chicas on the planet (well maybe tied with the Venezolanas, but of course that country is dicked up at the moment), but let me tell ya, you just cannot beat the Brasileiras for pure sexual energy, they are a special breed for sure.

In Cali I was the monogamous lover, in Brasil my phone was ringing off the hook as I have cultivated many friendships there over the years.

There is an area I visit in Brazil, away from tourists, that is similar to a Mayorista in Medellin, however, (John Gault please close your eyes and visualize this), instead of maybe 80-90 percent Fuglyies like at the Mayo, this place is more like 80 percent hot, which makes it very difficult to select. Sometimes I wish I were more than one guy so I could have more fun in one day, no kidding.
To make it even better, I think I'm the only gringo these girls have ever seen.
I'm like a celebrity haha.
Away from Rio or SP, this place, at least for now, is Ricker's hideaway.
I'm sure some Gringo will eventually discover this place and post about it and Frank Cassio will buy an apartment there haha, but for now it's a treasure.

Legal Tender
09-08-11, 21:55
Anyway, of course there was a little hottie I liked, and I took her to the more private area were you can talk with them a bit.

I have to say I was tempted, she was pretty cute, but again my girlfriend was just a couple blocks away, waiting patiently for me.

I had to make a decision; jump in the sack with this chica for a qucikie, or stick to my vow and go have great GF love with my girl waiting. I chose the latter, giving the little cutie from Dr Amor a little propina for her time and leaving for my girlfriend.

Great decision, as of course she gives me the real love sex as opposed to the boom boom, see ya sex.Ricker, I couldn't agree with you more. But, I'm reminded of the old commercial for the Almond Joy candy."Some times you want a nut, and sometimes you don't." Like my old grand pa once told me."Boy, I don't care how good looking she is, there's some dude that gets tired of fucking just her." Or, put another way, you may have a Ferrari, but that doesn't mean you don't like to take another car for a little spin on occasion. We will all agree that there is nothing better than sex with someone you love and vice versa.

John Gault
09-08-11, 22:07
Just when you thought that they had gouged enough they still are ripping off customers. The latest thing they pulled off was to change the Free Spirit card from Barclays to Bank of America. This was after I paid the $79. 95 fee to Barclays. Now I had to pay a new fee to BOA. OK that was done a few months ago. So today I go online to pay for my bags for my upcoming adventure. The site will not let me get the $9 fare club price for my bags. I was automaticly a member of the $9 fare club with the Barclay card. So after mucho minutes on hold I am now told that the BOA card does not come with the comp. Fare Club. So another $59. 95 down the drain into Spirit's coffers.

Yeah I know if I don't like it then fly with someone else. Trouble is I live near the ACY airport, and Spirit is the only one going to Latin America from that location.

I'm really starting to see the advantage of being an Expat. Less dealing with these Fucks.

John Gault
09-08-11, 23:18
Well, I just got back from a 2-week Cali, then Sao Paulo, Brazil run.

PART 1, CALI: Girlfriend time.

I spent about a week or so in Cali and for the first time ever in Colombia, I decided I was only going to be with one girl on this trip, my long time girlfriend there of almost 5 years.

I met her when she was 18 and she just keeps getting better.

Anyway, we hung out together practically the whole time in Cali. She's one of those fun, sweet girls who you can just be with and they don't bug ya.

Between exploring, boating, fishing, partying, dancing (I try jajaja) , movies, walks, family, malls, swimming, lounging, etc, etc, and of course bailando en la cama, I had the best time I've ever had in Colombia, really.

I have to say, I stopped by one day at Dr Amor, as I happened to be walking by there, by myself.

I know the guys and lady managers that run the place, said my holas, and sat on one of the sofas for the presentations of the chicas.

Man that place has lots of chicas, I think there was about 40 of them that day.

Anyway, of course there was a little hottie I liked, and I took her to the more private area were you can talk with them a bit.

I have to say I was tempted, she was pretty cute, but again my girlfriend was just a couple blocks away, waiting patiently for me.

I had to make a decision; jump in the sack with this chica for a qucikie, or stick to my vow and go have great GF love with my girl waiting. I chose the latter, giving the little cutie from Dr Amor a little propina for her time and leaving for my girlfriend.

Great decision, as of course she gives me the real love sex as opposed to the boom boom, see ya sex.

Anyway, I had a great time in Cali, seeing the city and it's outlying areas in a different light and not just chasing tail.

It's nice to be with a girl who you know is really into you and not just looking for your loot.

PART 2, SP BRAZIL: Fun.

Well I know SP very well, and I don't want to give a full Brazil report here on the Colombian forum, but let me tell you my general observations.

I believe the Colombianas to be the hottest looking chicas on the planet (well maybe tied with the Venezolanas, but of course that country is dicked up at the moment) , but let me tell ya, you just cannot beat the Brasileiras for pure sexual energy, they are a special breed for sure.

In Cali I was the monogamous lover, in Brasil my phone was ringing off the hook as I have cultivated many friendships there over the years.

There is an area I visit in Brazil, away from tourists, that is similar to a Mayorista in Medellin, however, (John Gault please close your eyes and visualize this) , instead of maybe 80-90 percent Fuglyies like at the Mayo, this place is more like 80 percent hot, which makes it very difficult to select. Sometimes I wish I were more than one guy so I could have more fun in one day, no kidding.

To make it even better, I think I'm the only gringo these girls have ever seen.

I'm like a celebrity haha.

Away from Rio or SP, this place, at least for now, is Ricker's hideaway.

I'm sure some Gringo will eventually discover this place and post about it and Frank Cassio will buy an apartment there haha, but for now it's a treasure.As I visualize this my fucking Tongue Is hanging out. I advise you not to come to MDE next week. If I see you I will kidnap you. We have ways to make you talk. LOL

LuckyEddie
09-08-11, 23:28
Just when you thought that they had gouged enough they still are ripping off customers.

I'm really starting to see the advantage of being an Expat. Less dealing with these Fucks.I got to couch with your name on it.

SlamCity7777
09-09-11, 01:53
Just when you thought that they had gouged enough they still are ripping off customers. The latest thing they pulled off was to change the Free Spirit card from Barclays to Bank of America. This was after I paid the $79. 95 fee to Barclays. Now I had to pay a new fee to BOA. OK that was done a few months ago. So today I go online to pay for my bags for my upcoming adventure. The site will not let me get the $9 fare club price for my bags. I was automaticly a member of the $9 fare club with the Barclay card. So after mucho minutes on hold I am now told that the BOA card does not come with the comp. Fare Club. So another $59. 95 down the drain into Spirit's coffers.

Yeah I know if I don't like it then fly with someone else. Trouble is I live near the ACY airport, and Spirit is the only one going to Latin America from that location.

I'm really starting to see the advantage of being an Expat. Less dealing with these Fucks.Are you serious? The Balls on those CHUMPS! I hate Spirit after 1 and only flight! Sorry to hear that. Do what you gots to do. Oh and Bogota Traffic blows. And don't let your novia find a single hair in your hotel or apartment; it'll be a bloody war!

Ricker
09-09-11, 13:35
As I visualize this my fucking Tongue Is hanging out. I advise you not to come to MDE next week. If I see you I will kidnap you. We have ways to make you talk. LOLLooks like a visit to Medellin at the end of Sept into October for me, hopefully I'll avoid the torture hahaha
Ya never know, over a cerveza or so, I may just let some select guys, sworn to secrecy, in on the Brazillian treasure :)

Check out this funny email I got from my Paisa girlfriend while I was in Cali and told her I couldn't make it to Medellin:

... YO ME QUEDE MUY TRISTE POR NO HABERNOS VISTO, ADEMAS TU TE QUEDASTE MUCHOS DIAS EN COLOMBIA Y DEMAS QUE CONOCISTE OTRA MUJER Y LE DISTES MIS REGALOS ...

Basically, she's sad that we didn't see eachother, I stayed lots of days in Colombia, and maybe I met another woman and gave her gifts to the other woman.

Funny, funny.

I think this Paisa may just love me for the loot ($$) eh, haha, but she's pretty hot so I keep her in the rotation, hahaha.

It's all cool as long as you got your eyes open.

Take care amigos.

Ricker
09-09-11, 13:42
For all of you Western Union Novios .By the way Heat, you just went over 1000 posts.

You're spending way too much time on this site hahaha.

Happy 1000!!! :)

MiamiHeatLuver
09-09-11, 15:51
By the way Heat, you just went over 1000 posts.

You're spending way too much time on this site hahaha.

Happy 1000! .Me? Spending too much time on here, hey buddy I have. point 49 posts per day as apposed to your point 64 posts per day papa! Hahahaha LOL. Thanks for the nice words and almost 6 years of friendship. P. S. I have exactly the same experience as you in CALI word for word were I almost feel "guilty?" going to casas? (blasphemy) LOL. Maybe we should retire get out of the game and hang up our condoms? Are we getting that old now LOL? Anyways kind of like you in CALI, for me Colombia in the beginning was 95% putas and the other 5% trying to hook up with the regular chicas. NOW? I can honestly say its the other way around.

John Gault
09-09-11, 17:52
Speaking of a nice Bush there is a scene where

George Clooney's leading lady comes out of a stream with a pair of wet pants that is the most sexy scene in all the movies I have ever watched.

This was a 2010 movie called the 'The American'. It was just on cable. Not a great flim, but that one scene is worth the price of admission.

TheShadow2
09-11-11, 01:35
Just when you thought that they had gouged enough they still are ripping off customers. The latest thing they pulled off was to change the Free Spirit card from Barclays to Bank of America. This was after I paid the $79. 95 fee to Barclays. Now I had to pay a new fee to BOA. OK that was done a few months ago. So today I go online to pay for my bags for my upcoming adventure. The site will not let me get the $9 fare club price for my bags. I was automaticly a member of the $9 fare club with the Barclay card. So after mucho minutes on hold I am now told that the BOA card does not come with the comp. Fare Club. So another $59. 95 down the drain into Spirit's coffers.

Yeah I know if I don't like it then fly with someone else. Trouble is I live near the ACY airport, and Spirit is the only one going to Latin America from that location.

I'm really starting to see the advantage of being an Expat. Less dealing with these Fucks.I was able to transfer over with no additional charge, kept my miles and everything, no problems. Maybe they learned from their mistakes?

TheShadow2
09-11-11, 01:45
One last thought, if you haven't already purchased your airline tickets, I'd strongly consider three things: staying a little longer; chatting-up a 2nd and 3rd chica between now and then; and leaving open the possibility of spending a night or two in CTG prior to your departure just in case the girl you're going to see ends-up giving you a severe case of the blue balls. She'll probably make the love to you like never before, but when in Colombia I think you'll find that back-up plans and having / leaving room for flexibility are your dear friend. Actually, not planning too much in advance and having a great deal of flexibility to go with the flow while there is the probably the best advice I can give. I'd caution you about boxing yourself into a bunch of advance set plans with any one or more chicas.

Having more than one chica's cell number and the flexibility of not being committed to too many set plans will serve you well.

Have a blast!

HT

Best advice you'll ever get right here. Be ready to be flexible, and remember everything you're planning to do will take twice as long simply because you're in Colombia.

SlamCity7777
09-12-11, 02:19
For all of you Western Union Novios, Dia de Amor why Amistad (Colombian Valentines Day, It is a HUGE HUGE deal for them!) is September 17th. So maybe yo would like to change it up a little and get your "novias" something different and more personal instead of the usual wire transfer?

This place has nice gifts, is reliable and delivers door to door. Believe me next time you see your "novia" she won't forget it and will just about guarantee you some good nookie! Je je.

ANYBODY ELSE have some links they want to share?

www.1vende.com

Oh and P. S. YES she WILL expect something from you on Feb 14th as well!I have used DaFlores before. They're only flowers but they are reliable and solid. I think they prices are a bit cheaper too.

Dornyone
09-16-11, 02:12
In planning to visit the Monteria area I did a quick search to see how things are.

http://www.elmeridianodecordoba.com.co/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14684:seis-muertos-en-cordoba&catid=16:judicial&Itemid=13

Looks like I will be steering clear of Cordoba.

Chesscat
09-16-11, 13:48
You just have to make sure you are not in the way of the bullet.

http://cordobaparaelmundo.com/

Check out these guys for an eco-viaje down the Río Sinú.

John Gault
09-22-11, 20:00
Most of the time I post trip reports or add info to other posts. Lately I have been responding to posts that clearly are made either in jest or with no real knowledge of the subject they are reporting on. To me this is not good. I wonder how it feeds a ego to pretend to know a subject when to anyone who has been there knows the post is BS.

This Forum provides good benifit to it's members only when truth be told.

John Gault
09-22-11, 20:59
Anyone know the amount of cartons of cigarettes that can be brought back to the USA without charge.

Hilltopper
09-22-11, 23:03
Anyone know the amount of cartons of cigarettes that can be brought back to the USA without charge.

JG, here's a copy-and-paste from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection web site:

Traveler bringing tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars, bidis, etc.) to the USA for their personal use.

A traveler may include up to 100 cigars and 200 cigarettes in the $800 exemption from duty. USA residents on State Department-licensed travel to Cuba may not bring cigars or other goods back with them from their visit.

Additional cigars and cigarettes may be brought into the country, but they will be subject to duty and taxes. Cigarettes may also be subject to a tax imposed by state and local authorities. Bidis. Essentially flavored cigarettes. Are not generally permitted entry. For pipe / loose tobacco products, contact the port of entry directly.

Once every 31 days, a resident returning from travel from American Samoa, Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI) , or the Virgin Islands of the United States may import 1, 000 cigarettes (5 cartons) , not more than 200 of which acquired elsewhere than in such locations, within the returning resident's $1, 600 exemption from duty and taxes.

For information about duty-exemption or duty rates for other tobacco products, please contact the port of entry directly.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/53/kw/cigarettes/sno/1

John Gault
09-23-11, 01:58
JG, here's a copy-and-paste from the USA Customs and Border Protection web site:

Traveler bringing tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars, bidis, etc.) to the USA for their personal use.

A traveler may include up to 100 cigars and 200 cigarettes in the $800 exemption from duty. USA residents on State Department-licensed travel to Cuba may not bring cigars or other goods back with them from their visit.

Additional cigars and cigarettes may be brought into the country, but they will be subject to duty and taxes. Cigarettes may also be subject to a tax imposed by state and local authorities. Bidis. Essentially flavored cigarettes. Are not generally permitted entry. For pipe / loose tobacco products, contact the port of entry directly.

Once every 31 days, a resident returning from travel from American Samoa, Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI) , or the Virgin Islands of the United States may import 1, 000 cigarettes (5 cartons) , not more than 200 of which acquired elsewhere than in such locations, within the returning resident's $1, 600 exemption from duty and taxes.

For information about duty-exemption or duty rates for other tobacco products, please contact the port of entry directly.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/53/kw/cigarettes/sno/1Thank you HT.

John Gault
09-26-11, 16:25
What I 'm going to say is not new, but I got a real good taste of it last night.

I'm in MDE as I write this after a terrible night last night in Mayorista. Rain as usual here, but had a blackout which really put a damper on mongering. The lights were on when I made a last ditch effort to find a good girl at 2 AM. What I found instead was a table of four Gringos. Come to find out they were all young guys in a total group of nine fellows all from the New Jersey area. These four guys were really nice fellows. I had a long chat with them, and it was like talking to kids on their first trip to Disney Land. There was a lot of Wow, , and gee wiz, and a general feeling of they had found heaven in Colombia. So it got me to thinking how these nine guys will go home, and tell thier friends how great Colombia is, and how it was safe for them.

We all know this is happening in Colombia with the flood of Newbes spreading the word to all their friends.

So I have made my decision. Time for me to pack my tack, and move on to greener pastures. No more Colombia for me as it it so sad to see this Country become another Costa Rica.

Lmarcone
09-26-11, 16:39
Where are they staying? Just curious.


What I 'm going to say is not new, but I got a real good taste of it last night.

I'm in MDE as I write this after a terrible night last night in Mayorista. Rain as usual here, but had a blackout which really put a damper on mongering. The lights were on when I made a last ditch effort to find a good girl at 2 AM. What I found instead was a table of four Gringos. Come to find out they were all young guys in a total group of nine fellows all from the New Jersey area. These four guys were really nice fellows. I had a long chat with them, and it was like talking to kids on their first trip to Disney Land. There was a lot of Wow, , and gee wiz, and a general feeling of they had found heaven in Colombia. So it got me to thinking how these nine guys will go home, and tell thier friends how great Colombia is, and how it was safe for them.

We all know this is happening in Colombia with the flood of Newbes spreading the word to all their friends.

So I have made my decision. Time for me to pack my tack, and move on to greener pastures. No more Colombia for me as it it so sad to see this Country become another Costa Rica.

John Gault
09-26-11, 19:31
Where are they staying? Just curious.They told me they were staying in Laureles. John of Penthouse fame hooked them up.

I was a little drunk when I talked to them but pretty sure they are leaving today.

Dad Fun 555
09-26-11, 20:00
So I have made my decision. Time for me to pack my tack, and move on to greener pastures. No more Colombia for me as it it so sad to see this Country become another Costa Rica.Colombia is a big country with much to explore. Lots of towns (some which have ISG threads, most which don't) where I go into the local titty establishments, and they'll tell me I'm the first gringo there in 2 years. Maybe Medellin is being overrun with tourists; I don't know, as it has been off my personal itinerary for years (I don't consider it one of the better cities in that country). But Colombia is huge and incredibly diverse, and has so much more to offer than just Medellin. Your loss.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-04-11, 14:37
I'm going to sign up and I'm one of the experiment airports. See if we can move things along a little.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/travel/trusted-traveler-program/index.html

(CNN). The Transportation Security Administration on Tuesday will unveil a "trusted traveler" program. One meant to expedite screening at USA airport checkpoints, agency chief John Pistole said.

"As with any initiative, we are testing this pre-screening concept with a small passenger population at limited airports," he said at an aviation security conference in the Netherlands."If proven successful, we will explore expanding the program to additional travelers, airports and airlines."

All participants must be USA citizens, who voluntarily release certain information about themselves.

During its evaluation phase,"TSA PreCheck" will be available only to certain frequent fliers on American and Delta airlines. Flying out of certain airports. Delta passengers must be flying out of Atlanta and Detroit airports, and American Airlines passengers must be flying out of Miami and Dallas airports.

It also will be open to participants in Custom and Border Protection's Trusted Traveler programs, including Global Entry, SENTRI, and NEXUS.

The program won't guarantee expedited security screening, according to Pistole, who said participants would still be subject to "random and unpredictable security measures."

In July, the TSA said it would expand this pilot program to include United, Southwest, JetBlue, US Airways, Alaska Airlines and Hawaiian airlines, and additional airports, once operationally ready.

Currently, the TSA vets passenger lists against "watch lists" of known or suspected terrorists. But the TSA is working with a very limited amount of information about those passengers. Namely a person's full name, date of birth and gender. Under "trusted traveler" programs, travelers voluntarily surrender more information about themselves, giving the government more assurances of who they are.

The amount and nature of the information that will be sought was not disclosed.

There have long been calls for the TSA to adopt a trusted traveler program. Congress and critics have stepped up that demand following two highly publicized incidents, one involving the search of a 6-year-old girl, and the other involving a 95-year-old cancer patient. In both cases, the TSA has said the airport screeners were following established protocols.

But the TSA also has said it is working toward a "risk-based" trusted traveler program that could expedite travel for people believed to present little risk to aviation.

The TSA said in July that Pistole will work with Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan Bersin and the airlines to determine passenger eligibility for this screening project, which is voluntary.

All passengers in the pilot project will be subject to recurrent security checks.

Security experts have long expressed concern about so-called "clean skins". Potential terrorists who enroll in "trusted traveler" programs to avoid scrutiny during a terror mission. But the TSA says it will continue to incorporate random and unpredictable security measures to address such concerns.

Pistole said in July that other layers of security will remain in place, including intelligence gathering and analysis, explosive-detection canine teams, federal air marshals, closed-circuit television monitoring and behavior detection officers.

Hillbilly69
10-04-11, 18:14
International airline Avianca Taca announces that it will begin operating direct flights from Bogota, Colombia to Rio de Janiero, Brazil three times weekly.

Mahaba
10-04-11, 18:37
I have never been to South America as my travels have been so far limited to Southeast Asia and Europe.

However I am willing to give it a try.

I don't speak Spanish and know nothing about the culture or mongering methods other than in this forum.

So, if you don't mind, please advise on a good place to begin a South American visit so as to get my bearings, figure the area out and sample the environment.

Thanks

Mr Enternational
10-05-11, 05:42
I'm thinking about paying a visit to Medellin. So I'm talking to these chicks online telling them that I don't know anything about the place. I ask one girl about where to stay. She says I don't know. Look for a hotel. As if she knows nothing about her city and can not even attempt to point me in the right direction. I tell another girl that I don't know where to stay. She takes it as I don't know where Medellin is located. And she tells me "Colombia en el sur." So I informed her that Medellin is not in the south of Colombia. Are the women in Medellin generally as dense as these two? For someone trying to visit them they are no help at all.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-05-11, 06:26
I'm thinking about paying a visit to Medellin. So I'm talking to these chicks online telling them that I don't know anything about the place. I ask one girl about where to stay. She says I don't know. Look for a hotel. As if she knows nothing about her city and can not even attempt to point me in the right direction. I tell another girl that I don't know where to stay. She takes it as I don't know where Medellin is located. And she tells me "Colombia en el sur." So I informed her that Medellin is not in the south of Colombia. Are the women in Medellin generally as dense as these two? For someone trying to visit them they are no help at all.Just like every country some chicas are complete airheads and have no sense of direction nor geography.

In your case though It does sound like these chicas had / have no interest for small talk with you for whatever reason being so naive and unhelpful.

Dickhead
10-05-11, 08:01
I have never been to South America as my travels have been so far limited to Southeast Asia and Europe. However I am willing to give it a try. I don't speak Spanish and know nothing about the culture or mongering methods other than in this forum. So, if you don't mind, please advise on a good place to begin a South American visit so as to get my bearings, figure the area out and sample the environment. ThanksI am not sure exactly why you would post a general question on South America in the Colombian forum, but I'll bite. I have been to every Spanish-speaking country on the continent and I don't think you can figure out the area or get your bearings by simply going to one country. South America is almost twice as big as Europe, and it comprises many cultures. While it would be somewhere between foolish and inexcusable to arrive anywhere knowing nothing about the culture, I would rate Argentina, Paraguay, Colombia, Ecuador, and Chile in that order if one is considering only mongering. English will not be widely spoken anywhere in South America outside of hotels and tourist areas, but is probably most widely spoken in Chile, in my experience. Argentina is a huge country and has every possible climate. Colombia is quite large as well. Chile has a wide variety of latitude such that most any temperature can be obtained at any time (somewhat true of Argentina as well), and has the advantage that the mountains are extremely close to the coast. Perú is intriguing for a first-timer because it has mountains, beaches, jungle, and desert all in a somewhat compact area, but I don't personally think the mongering is that great. It certainly exists.

Appropriate questions to ask yourself include:

1) Hot weather or cold weather?

2) Smaller towns or larger cities?

3) How much time do you have?

4) How much money do you have?

5) How much balls do you have (it's a relatively dangerous continent)?

One thing I would say is that if you have no Spanish and think you have a lot of balls, you can get in a LOT of trouble. Like dead kind of trouble. If I spoke no Spanish, had plenty of money, wanted to stay out of trouble, and could only go to one city, I would probably go to Santiago de Chile. If I spoke no Spanish, wanted to stay out of trouble, did not have a lot of money, and only wanted to monger, I would go to Asunción, Paraguay, and make sure I was home by 10 PM. If I wanted to party my ass off and had more balls than brains I would go to Colombia. That country can be done on a low budget or on a high budget. If I wanted a sophisticated urban experience with things to do in the daytime and lots of different ways to monger, I would go to Buenos Aires. If I wanted a nice, clean, mellow experience with some mediocre mongering and a fair amount of English, I would go to Uruguay.

If I wanted to shit my guts out the entire time and for weeks or months afterwards, I would go to Perú. So if you choose that country do not forget your Loperamide, and only eat fish in the morning.

Note that I am only rating the Spanish-speaking countries as I have not mongered in Brazil and have not been to the other three non-Spanish cultures. Venezuela sucks totally and is very dangerous, and I did not spend enough time in Bolivia to form an opinion, although I did fuck a couple of hookers in La Paz and one in Lago Titicaca, but she was actually (allegedly) from Puno, Perú. That town is a real shit hole.

Midwest
10-05-11, 08:14
First time I went to Colombia, I went to Medellin & stayed at Casa Blanca I.

The place is a little pricey but it was well worth it.

Aussie Greg is a good guy, he helped me get my bearings,

The whole staff was very professional & helpful.

Even the mongers staying there didn't mind sharing info. & let me tag along. Just a good vibe.

I suggest you read the Medellin Reports & Casa Blanca threads for the last 2-3 months.

If you decide to go there, make your reservations right away, the place gets booked well in advance.

If you decide to venture out by yourself, go to World Traveler's post # 770 in the Medellin lists thread, it's invaluable info I use very time I go to Medellin.

I got to tell you, if you don't know Spanish & look Anglo, just hire one of the drivers in the list. Fernando knows where to take you & knows enough English for you to understand each other.

If you happen to be there the first two weeks of November, PM me.

Best.


I have never been to South America as my travels have been so far limited to Southeast Asia and Europe.

However I am willing to give it a try.

I don't speak Spanish and know nothing about the culture or mongering methods other than in this forum.

So, if you don't mind, please advise on a good place to begin a South American visit so as to get my bearings, figure the area out and sample the environment.

Thanks

MaxLou1970
10-05-11, 19:26
Hello, fellow mongers!

We are two guys planning on visiting Colombia for the first time in Jan / Feb-2012.

We have plenty of experience from Europe and Eastern Europe. One of has spent a wonderful month in Buenos Aires a few years ago. One of the questions we have regarding the chicas. How common is the acceptance of anal sex and deep-throat?

We keep seeing a lot of pretty faces from your posted pictures. This has been the main motivation of choosing Colombia as our next destination. But how kinky are the girls in general? Are there any special places that can be recommended over others?

One of the scenarious we have in mind, is a private party with say 6-8 chicas staying over night. What would be a reasonble ball-park figure for such a venture?

Our humble thanks to anyone helping us out with these important queries!

Max & Dan

SlamCity7777
10-06-11, 02:37
Hello, fellow mongers!

We are two guys planning on visiting Colombia for the first time in Jan / Feb-2012.

We have plenty of experience from Europe and Eastern Europe. One of has spent a wonderful month in Buenos Aires a few years ago. One of the questions we have regarding the chicas. How common is the acceptance of anal sex and deep-throat?

We keep seeing a lot of pretty faces from your posted pictures. This has been the main motivation of choosing Colombia as our next destination. But how kinky are the girls in general? Are there any special places that can be recommended over others?

One of the scenarious we have in mind, is a private party with say 6-8 chicas staying over night. What would be a reasonble ball-park figure for such a venture?

Our humble thanks to anyone helping us out with these important queries!

Max & DanArgentina is AMAZING! If not for the long flight I'd go all the time. I had three trips for a total of 5 months and I loved every second of it!

IME Anal and deep-throat are not as common as in Argentina."Servicio Completo" en Arg is great ($15 extra I belive) but in Colombia I find that most girls are not down with booty sex and for the most part are not as Kinky as the girls in Arg. I could be wrong but from what I see in reports this is the same experience of the others as well. I've gotten a finger or two in the booty during doggie but that's about it and with a few of my favorite regulars.

For the private party; I've never tried to execute such a thing myself and I wish you good luck; sounds awesome! For cost? Depends on your budget and where you recruit the girls from. Bogota-Cartagena-Cali-Medellin (estimate / average) I'd say a TLN is $150K-$250K per chica x 8 so $600-$800 and WAY beyond.

P4P is Colombia is accepted as long as it's not THROWN in peoples faces; like door guys, hotel staff, neighbors, ect. When you parade 8-10 Hookers into the hotel lobby or even in your rented apartment you might be asking for a bit of a hassle as the door guys are more concerned about the permanent residents than the wants and needs of two guys who are looking to party for a week or two. But this depends on where you are staying. It's not like Thailand or the Philippines where it's working girls every where all day every day. More of a chill vibe I'd say. Plus from what I have heard here and in country is when you have two or more girls in your place is when the DRAMA starts. Shit gets stolen, scams get pulled off, boyfriends / pimps / thugs get let in and dudes get tied up and their stuff stolen. Not trying to be negative or to scare you but this is the info I have heard and heard of so I hope it helps.

When I got o Europe I hope I can lean on you guys for some advice!

UKJazzMan
10-06-11, 03:12
Hi, does anybody have any experience of this place? I can't see any reports on here?

Ta

The Tall Man
10-06-11, 06:44
Perfectly said Dickhead, ditto it all.

The Tall Man.


I am not sure exactly why you would post a general question on South America in the Colombian forum, but I'll bite. I have been to every Spanish-speaking country on the continent and I don't think you can figure out the area or get your bearings by simply going to one country. South America is almost twice as big as Europe, and it comprises many cultures. While it would be somewhere between foolish and inexcusable to arrive anywhere knowing nothing about the culture, I would rate Argentina, Paraguay, Colombia, Ecuador, and Chile in that order if one is considering only mongering. English will not be widely spoken anywhere in South America outside of hotels and tourist areas, but is probably most widely spoken in Chile, in my experience. Argentina is a huge country and has every possible climate. Colombia is quite large as well. Chile has a wide variety of latitude such that most any temperature can be obtained at any time (somewhat true of Argentina as well) , and has the advantage that the mountains are extremely close to the coast. Perú is intriguing for a first-timer because it has mountains, beaches, jungle, and desert all in a somewhat compact area, but I don't personally think the mongering is that great. It certainly exists.

Appropriate questions to ask yourself include:

1) Hot weather or cold weather?

2) Smaller towns or larger cities?

3) How much time do you have?

4) How much money do you have?

5) How much balls do you have (it's a relatively dangerous continent)?

One thing I would say is that if you have no Spanish and think you have a lot of balls, you can get in a LOT of trouble. Like dead kind of trouble. If I spoke no Spanish, had plenty of money, wanted to stay out of trouble, and could only go to one city, I would probably go to Santiago de Chile. If I spoke no Spanish, wanted to stay out of trouble, did not have a lot of money, and only wanted to monger, I would go to Asuncióand, Paraguay, and make sure I was home by 10 PM. If I wanted to party my ass off and had more balls than brains I would go to Colombia. That country can be done on a low budget or on a high budget. If I wanted a sophisticated urban experience with things to do in the daytime and lots of different ways to monger, I would go to Buenos Aires. If I wanted a nice, clean, mellow experience with some mediocre mongering and a fair amount of English, I would go to Uruguay.

If I wanted to shit my guts out the entire time and for weeks or months afterwards, I would go to Perú. So if you choose that country do not forget your Loperamide, and only eat fish in the morning.

Note that I am only rating the Spanish-speaking countries as I have not mongered in Brazil and have not been to the other three non-Spanish cultures. Venezuela sucks totally and is very dangerous, and I did not spend enough time in Bolivia to form an opinion, although I did fuck a couple of hookers in La Paz and one in Lago Titicaca, but she was actually (allegedly) from Puno, Perú. That town is a real shit hole.

SlamCity7777
10-07-11, 06:00
I found this excerpt from a recent post by Mr. Goo a senior member about buildings / apartments:

===A few years ago, the building supers were cracking down on mongerers staying there. The residents were saying we were hurting their investments. This was happening mainly in El Pablado. So the building supers were requesting a minimum week stay to crack down on the weekend mongerers. I was told by the rental company to be on best behavior. No orgys, no slutty looking tricks, and no parties. This was funny because the building maid had a girl doing tricks if I wanted. I haven't heard much about this lately, so I guess most guys stay at the mansion. I'm just saying be discreet because you are being watched. ===

Just thought this would help a bit; just so you weren't shocked once you arrive. Good Luck.


Hello, fellow mongers!

We are two guys planning on visiting Colombia for the first time in Jan / Feb-2012.

We have plenty of experience from Europe and Eastern Europe. One of has spent a wonderful month in Buenos Aires a few years ago. One of the questions we have regarding the chicas. How common is the acceptance of anal sex and deep-throat?

We keep seeing a lot of pretty faces from your posted pictures. This has been the main motivation of choosing Colombia as our next destination. But how kinky are the girls in general? Are there any special places that can be recommended over others?

One of the scenarious we have in mind, is a private party with say 6-8 chicas staying over night. What would be a reasonble ball-park figure for such a venture?

Our humble thanks to anyone helping us out with these important queries!

Max & Dan

Gary Groundwork
10-13-11, 05:15
I have never been to South America as my travels have been so far limited to Southeast Asia and Europe.

However I am willing to give it a try.

I don't speak Spanish and know nothing about the culture or mongering methods other than in this forum.

So, if you don't mind, please advise on a good place to begin a South American visit so as to get my bearings, figure the area out and sample the environment.

ThanksBrazil-hot women, great parties, loads to do, beautiful beaches, best sex you can have. There are towns north and south not over run with gringos which are gold mines.

Venezuela-non pro action is amazing-no gringos these days. Some say danderous I never have a problem, just take care. Hot women.

Peru-easiest place in the world to score non pros along with ecuador.

Colombia-Medellin-not what it used to be. Hot non pros becoming difficult. Gringos everywhere. Hot prepagos. Not much to do there until weekends. Cartegena has a beach, old city is beautiful, hot prepagos.

Rest of Colombia does nothing for me. Cali most overated place in Colombia-hot, boring, dangerous and the women have nothing on paisas. Bogota-rain, cold, traffic jams. Baranquia-boring and hot.

Cartegena and Medellin ate the two obvious choices. Then again I'm not the type of person that travels to another country just to spend my days in shopping centres looking at girls.

Chilie-don't know it very well-not interested all that much

EstebanH
10-13-11, 16:57
Brazil-hot women, great parties, loads to do, beautiful beaches, best sex you can have. There are towns north and south not over run with gringos which are gold mines.

Venezuela-non pro action is amazing-no gringos these days. Some say danderous I never have a problem, just take care. Hot women.

Peru-easiest place in the world to score non pros along with ecuador.

Colombia-Medellin-not what it used to be. Hot non pros becoming difficult. Gringos everywhere. Hot prepagos. Not much to do there until weekends. Cartegena has a beach, old city is beautiful, hot prepagos.

Rest of Colombia does nothing for me. Cali most overated place in Colombia-hot, boring, dangerous and the women have nothing on paisas. Bogota-rain, cold, traffic jams. Baranquia-boring and hot.

Cartegena and Medellin ate the two obvious choices. Then again I'm not the type of person that travels to another country just to spend my days in shopping centres looking at girls.

Chilie-don't know it very well-not interested all that muchGary,

I was in Medellin for 2 weeks in September. I stayed in Poblado for the first few days and then moved over to Laureles. I keep hearing how Medellin is over run with gringos. Occasionaly I would see gringos in Poblado but once I moved over to Laureles, I never saw another single gringo for one whole week! I rode the metro everywhere, went to El Centro and quite a few other places. I really don't understand the sentiment that gringos "are everywhere". In a country of 47 million people, the number of gringos visiting is a tiny droplet.

Ricker
10-14-11, 03:43
Brazil-hot women, great parties, loads to do, beautiful beaches, best sex you can have. There are towns north and south not over run with gringos which are gold mines.

Venezuela-non pro action is amazing-no gringos these days. Some say danderous I never have a problem, just take care. Hot women.

Peru-easiest place in the world to score non pros along with ecuador.

Colombia-Medellin-not what it used to be. Hot non pros becoming difficult. Gringos everywhere. Hot prepagos. Not much to do there until weekends. Cartegena has a beach, old city is beautiful, hot prepagos.

Rest of Colombia does nothing for me. Cali most overated place in Colombia-hot, boring, dangerous and the women have nothing on paisas. Bogota-rain, cold, traffic jams. Baranquia-boring and hot.

Cartegena and Medellin ate the two obvious choices. Then again I'm not the type of person that travels to another country just to spend my days in shopping centres looking at girls.

Chilie-don't know it very well-not interested all that muchI like your assesment and agree, though I personally dig Cali, you're right the city is nothing special, but I have special friends and contacts there, and I enjoy your spelling of "Baranquia" :)

Mr Enternational
10-14-11, 04:04
I like your assesment and agree, though I personally dig Cali, you're right the city is nothing special, but I have special friends and contacts there,I third that, except my experience of Venezuela is that it's freakin expensive for a third world place.

Gary Groundwork
10-14-11, 12:43
Gary,

I was in Medellin for 2 weeks in September. I stayed in Poblado for the first few days and then moved over to Laureles. I keep hearing how Medellin is over run with gringos. Occasionaly I would see gringos in Poblado but once I moved over to Laureles, I never saw another single gringo for one whole week! I rode the metro everywhere, went to El Centro and quite a few other places. I really don't understand the sentiment that gringos "are everywhere". In a country of 47 million people, the number of gringos visiting is a tiny droplet.Esteban if you were in Medellin 5/10 years ago you would know what I mean. I'm not sure if you were or not of course.

Put it this way you wouldn't even see a gringo in LLeras. Lucky to see one or two. There was a real novelty factor with the girls. That has seriously worn off now. In fact it has almost done a full circle where some of the girls will tell you it can even be seen as being a negative thing being with a gringo in some circles.

Venezuela is the opposite. Hardly a gringo around now. Easy work. Still not easy as Peru but hotter women.

Hasideas Tao
10-14-11, 14:53
Hello, all,

Just returned from a fantastic trip to Medellin. Now if I could just kick this post nasal drip I acquired on the plane home!

I have to say that learning Spanish really pays off. I have these CDs in my car that have been repeating over and over for months. Sitting in traffic has never been more productive. Being able to spend a full day with a chica and even a second date changes the game completely! My Spanish is not great but I can get by. At times, the gringo tax was in full effect, especially during my short stay at CB. But otherwise, with just a little patience and putting forth a good effort, I was shown an unaccountable amount of compassion and generosity. In general, the people are so freaking friendly it makes me sad when I realize how desperate and impatient we gringos act in spite of all the luxuries and conveniences we so blindly take for granted. I think to make a better impression while visiting their country, we just need to slow down a little. I recommend games. Cards, dice, checkers. Whatever you can think of. I found a backgammon board in my apartment! Hours of entertainment, fabulous prizes and limited demand for Spanish vocabulary! Question. Whats the best way to get to and from the major cities. Specifically to CTG from MDE? I know in Peru, plane tickets are a lot less expensive if a local resident buys them. Is this the case in Colombia as well? Post in the forum or PM me. Thanks. Positive energy to all.

EstebanH
10-14-11, 18:14
Esteban if you were in Medellin 5/10 years ago you would know what I mean. I'm not sure if you were or not of course.

Put it this way you wouldn't even see a gringo in LLeras. Lucky to see one or two. There was a real novelty factor with the girls. That has seriously worn off now. In fact it has almost done a full circle where some of the girls will tell you it can even be seen as being a negative thing being with a gringo in some circles.

Venezuela is the opposite. Hardly a gringo around now. Easy work. Still not easy as Peru but hotter women.OK, I get what you are saying about the novelty factor, but Colombia is still way better than Costa Rica and I always have a blast when I go to Costa Rica. Plus, the ladies are cheaper.

I know absolutely nothing about Venezuela but my impressions of the place is that it is a cesspool waiting to boil over. Sure, there may be some hot women there but the disdain for Americans must be palpable. Educate me if you know better.

Chesscat
10-15-11, 17:02
A good way to learn Spanish, once you reach a certain level, is listening to music. For Mexican standards, you can listen to Vincente Fernandez, Lucha Villa or Jose Jose among many others. Also, Roberto Carlos. The top album for Mexican classics, for learning, and a great album by any measure, is Canta en Español, by Eydie Gormet.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-15-11, 17:48
a good way to learn spanish, once you reach a certain level, is listening to music. for mexican standards, you can listen to vincente fernandez, lucha villa or jose jose among many others. also, roberto carlos. the top album for mexican classics, for learning, and a great album by any measure, is canta en español, by eydie gormet.yeah and if you want to learn spanish with a colombian accent? google, look up and watch every episode of "suso el paspi" that should give you the edge, how to speak proper colombian spanish, some practice and most importantly how to score with these colombianas! try it out!

Chesscat
10-16-11, 05:14
I don't know if you are joking or not, but really this is the truth, watch a popular television show and you will, if you study, pick up colloquial Spanish. Like in Mexico, they are constantly quoting El Chavo del Ocho. It may not be proper Mexican or Colombian Spanish, but the goal should be to speak street Spanish, rather than proper Spanish. So TV, like Suso el Paspi, or el Chavo del Ocho, is really a good source.


Yeah and if you want to learn Spanish with a Colombian accent? Google, look up and watch every episode of "Suso el Paspi" That should give you the edge, how to speak proper Colombian Spanish, some practice and most importantly how to score with these Colombianas! Try it out!

Yujin
10-16-11, 05:55
a good way to learn spanish, once you reach a certain level, is listening to music.i agree. i'm constantly listening to spanish music and it has helped me to learn and retain spanish and it's not as boring as pimsleur or other similar "learn and listen" courses. since i'm a visual learner, when i listen to spanish music, i like to read the lyrics. this allows me to recognize the words and learn spanish slang / phrases, how spanish words are spelled and conjugated, etc. i've found spanish music videos with subtitled lyrics are particularly helpful. there are several youtube channels, but since i'm a fan of la oreja de van gogh, i've found this youtube channel to be one of my favorite since their song lyrics are subtitled.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ksbkmojo?feature=mhee

Bango Cheito
10-16-11, 09:26
El Chavo is also popular here in Colombia.

Don't try to pick up Spanish from Roberto Carlos, he's Brazilian and sings with a pretty thick accent.

SlamCity7777
10-16-11, 13:11
I agree. I'm constantly listening to Spanish music and it has helped me to learn and retain Spanish and it's not as boring as Pimsleur or other similar "learn and listen" courses. Since I'm a visual learner, when I listen to Spanish music, I like to read the lyrics. This allows me to recognize the words and learn Spanish slang / phrases, how Spanish words are spelled and conjugated, etc. I've found Spanish music videos with subtitled lyrics are particularly helpful. There are several YouTube channels, but since I'm a fan of La Oreja de Van Gogh, I've found this YouTube channel to be one of my favorite since their song lyrics are subtitled.

http://www.youtube.com/user/KSBKmojo?feature=mheeLike the it says movies are huge. Watch an old movie you know well or an action movie that has limited story complexities. NO ENGLISH sub titles, and just watch and listen. When the guy jumps from a train and yells "Ten cuidado". What did we learn? Be careful. Or when the hero kisses the girl "Te amo / quiero" thats right I love you.

This will not improve your grammar but it will improve your listening skills and show you little phrases for situations & Ect

John Gault
10-24-11, 16:51
1. I want to look like a young Paul Newman (blue eyes ).

2. Be able to dance like Fred Astaire.

3. Have the money of Bill Gates.

4. Speak Spanish like Ricky Ricardo (thanks Ricker for that one)

5. Be as funny as Collin Quinn.

There I think that should entitle me to get some fine Latina Non Pro Pussy.

You Can
10-24-11, 17:31
Who you kidding? I seen your act! You already got all that going for you!


1. I want to look like a young Paul Newman (blue eyes ).

2. Be able to dance like Fred Astaire.

3. Have the money of Bill Gates.

4. Speak Spanish like Ricky Ricardo (thanks Ricker for that one)

5. Be as funny as Collin Quinn.

There I think that should entitle me to get some fine Latina Non Pro Pussy.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-24-11, 18:22
1. I want to look like a young Paul Newman (blue eyes ).

2. Be able to dance like Fred Astaire.

3. Have the money of Bill Gates.

4. Speak Spanish like Ricky Ricardo (thanks Ricker for that one)

5. Be as funny as Collin Quinn.

There I think that should entitle me to get some fine Latina Non Pro Pussy.You're missing THREE BIG ONES. Counting and writing down the amount of orgasms you give each girl, The THOUSANDS of girls you've bedded and last but not least the year and amount of times you've been to Colombia since 1990 (counting all of those of passports and stamps) LOL

EstebanH
10-25-11, 16:35
1. I want to look like a young Paul Newman (blue eyes ).

2. Be able to dance like Fred Astaire.

3. Have the money of Bill Gates.

4. Speak Spanish like Ricky Ricardo (thanks Ricker for that one)

5. Be as funny as Collin Quinn.

There I think that should entitle me to get some fine Latina Non Pro Pussy.6. A dong like John Holmes

John Gault
10-25-11, 17:40
I make these lists from time to time to stir up a little action on the boards.

How could I forget all the Orgasimos, and also leaving out the important big dong.

Funny the passport stamps were mentioned as I just spent $142, and many hours in Philadelphia getting 48 new pages on my old passport. It would have been $82, but there was a $60 extra charge to get it done for the trip I am now on in Nica land. The girls are great in Nicaragua, but the intrastructure sucks big time. The other day over 24 houirs with no power, and the roads have more big holes than a $6 Lima hooker.

You Can, I know you are excited about your upcoming trip to CTG. Give it a good home brother.

Dickhead
10-25-11, 18:28
I have had additional pages put in my passport twice and it was free. Is this a new fee?

John Gault
10-25-11, 19:34
I have had additional pages put in my passport twice and it was free. Is this a new fee?I had the 48 pages put in on Oct. 13 this year.

Man you must do a lot of border crossings to get it done twice.

Mr Enternational
10-25-11, 20:59
I have had additional pages put in my passport twice and it was free. Is this a new fee?New passport fees for the USA Passport Book, the USA Passport Card, and other passport services went into effect on Tuesday, July 13, 2010. I got my new passport complete with extra pages on July 12, 2010 the day before it went into effect, so I'm good for another 9 years hopefully. If you have Global Entry it saves a lot of space in your passport because you do not get a stamp when you enter the USA through an airport that has Global Entry service.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/fees/fees_5079.html

Renewal Fee.

Adult Passport Book & Card $140.

Adult Passport Book $110.

Adult Passport Card If you currently hold a valid Passport Book or Card $30.

Expedited Service $60.

Add Pages to Passport $82.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/fees/fees_837.html

Dickhead
10-25-11, 22:02
Thanks for the info. Fuck me, but thanks for the info. I don't think I got 48 pages. Let me see. First addition says A thru X so that is 24. Those are all full now. Second addition also A through X but in the first case, one page cannot be used due to general info and in the second case two pages are unusable. The additions look very different even though I got them both in the same place (the US Embassy in Buenos Aires). I got about 18 or so of those left and the passport expires in a year and a half.

Cock sucking nickel and dime bullshit fees.

Mr Enternational
10-25-11, 23:32
Thanks for the info. Fuck me, but thanks for the info. I don't think I got 48 pages. Let me see. First addition says A thru X so that is 24. Those are all full now. Second addition also A through X but in the first case, one page cannot be used due to general info and in the second case two pages are unusable. The additions look very different even though I got them both in the same place (the US Embassy in Buenos Aires). I got about 18 or so of those left and the passport expires in a year and a half.

Cock sucking nickel and dime bullshit fees.On the new one with extra pages, pages 8-48 can be used for stamps. I'm already up to page 20. It sux because most places give you an entry and an exit stamp. But chalk it up to the cost of doing business.

Mel365
10-26-11, 02:21
I have 72 pages in my passport and need more. I never paid to have the pages added in the USA.

I have 3 years to go so I think I will have to have more pages added twice. Next time I will get a commercial pasport. I also joined the GOES thing that takes your pasport info and fingerprints and no more lines incoming to the USA and no USA entry stamps.

Mel.


I had the 48 pages put in on Oct. 13 this year.

Man you must do a lot of border crossings to get it done twice.

Bango Cheito
10-26-11, 22:24
1. I want to look like a young Paul Newman (blue eyes ).

2. Be able to dance like Fred Astaire.

3. Have the money of Bill Gates.

4. Speak Spanish like Ricky Ricardo (thanks Ricker for that one)

5. Be as funny as Collin Quinn.

There I think that should entitle me to get some fine Latina Non Pro Pussy.You don't want to speak Spanish with a bad Cuban accent do you? Pick a Colombian, and one from the INTERIOR at that! :P

Mr Enternational
10-27-11, 06:50
Reposted from the Morality of Prostitution thread:


Living as an expat in Colombia for 3 years has majorly opened my eyes to human nature. People here have a lot MORE sex than North Americans, and it's not because they have more free time (they certainly don't here in the big city) or any other reason, it's because by and large people are more physically ATTRACTIVE to one another here. A woman's pickiness goes OUT THE WINDOW the moment she sees a guy who PHYSICALLY fulfills her last expectation. She will pay the hotel room, bring breakfast in bed, tolerate other women in the picture or even open up her latent bi side for the guy, even pay his personal expenses, you name it. It's all about DEGREE OF ATTRACTION. This just never happens in North America because as ugly as the women are, the men are even uglier.

I'm also beginning to realize how awesome the ancient Greeks were with their aesthetics, and how RIGHT they were. I was quite the little relativist for awhile, but have come around to realize there are actually many absolutes in the universe. Being fat in ancient Greece was considered such an offense to society, it was sometimes even worth the death penalty! In contrast, we DELIBERATELY inject chemicals into the food so that our appetites are unnaturally stimulated to the point where we over-consume and wind up with health problems as a result :OFirst, physical attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder. So just because I think a woman is quite adorable, it doesn't mean you will see her the same way. Just about every photo posted on ISG can attest to that. So that is really a moot point.

As for a woman going above and beyond, I have experienced this around the world, North America included. I don't think the cause of it has anything to do with the woman only being physically attracted to a guy. That seems quite ridiculous.

As for size preference that is more so an issue of time and place. Men from many African cultures prefer bigger women. What about the women of Samoa and other Pacific Islanders? Are those people big because of eating or does genetics play a part? As far as the times are concerned here is an excerpt from Women's Conflicts about Eating and Sexuality by Rosalyn Meado and Lillie Weiss:

Although no woman wanted to be fat, her definition of normal weight was very different from what it is today. In one of the few diet articles appearing in the Ladies' Home Journal (July 1955) , a woman who lost 100 pounds is seen as now being slim, her dress size only 14 or 16, and her weight 150 pounds. While a 150-pound woman wearing a size 14 or 16 would not be considered slim today, twelve was considered the perfect dress size.

There are plenty of fat people in Colombia and even the people who are not fat definitely eat heartily. My Colombiana being one of them. Since I last saw her she has gained so much weight. We went out to Lenos & Carbon. She had a parrilla of meats and a separate plate of sides and she ate every bit of it and said that she was not yet full. I had half of a mixed platter that was intended for 2 people and I could not eat it all. I saw others come in and order huge grilled steaks and chicken with all the trimmings as well. I told my girl there was no way they would eat all of that. Lo and behold they cleaned their plates, men and women alike.

We walked around the mall and I got a cone with one scoop of ice cream. We then went to see a movie and my girlfriend got a large sprite and drank all of it. When we came out of the movie she went to Crepes and Waffles and she got 3 scoops of ice cream in a cup that came with a little cake and chocolate syrup toppings. I had to speak up right then. But you know what she said? She said this is nothing, I usually get more than this. And to think I was still full from the dinner.

As far as people there having more sex, if this is true then it is probably because there isn't shit else to do but go to the mall. As many times as I have been to Colombia I am just realizing this. Before my trip I incessantly asked my girl what we were going to do. She would never answer. The first two days we went from mall to mall and for fucking what? Not a damn thing but to walk around in circles. I swear if I would have gone to another Unicentro, Cosmocentro, Astocentro, Megacentro or what the fuck ever other kind of -centro that I was going to hurt somebody. After all these years of going to Colombia I guess I was too busy running around chasing tail to realize there was nothing else to do but run around and chase tail. Being with only one person made me realize that.

On a different note I am so damn tired of hearing music all fucking day long. How about some peace and quiet for a change? First I have to wake up to music videos on the TV. Then I walk around the neighborhood and people are blasting music from their homes. Then when it is time to sleep I can't because it's the middle of the night and music is still being blasted from people's homes. I asked my girlfriend why they do this and her reply was that it was a Colombian thing. I said yes, but don't they realize that sometimes other people want to relax and rest inside their own homes and do other things with their families without being bothered by their music? I told her that in my country neither the neighbors nor the police would stand for it.

After this trip I think my Colombia days are pretty much numbered. I still need to visit Medellin and San Andres to check those places out. I don't even see the women as being as beautiful as I used to think. Don't get me wrong, they are damn beautiful and I still think they are some of the most beautiful in the world, but I'm not as stuck on them as I used to be. Maybe it's just that the all-around Thailand experience has ruined my ass.

Almotu
10-27-11, 21:39
Mr. E: I consider you a well-travelled hobbyist. So with Colombia sliding off your list, where would you go to for your Latina fix in the future?

I have only been to Medellin and I think it is relatively quiet so you definitely should visit.

Sky Ryder
10-27-11, 22:22
I have had additional pages put in my passport twice and it was free. Is this a new fee?Yes DH it is a new fee. I think it actually went into effect last year, because I had to pay when I had them added in HK last year I am pretty sure. I have (had) seven years left on the passport, and had added new pages three times already. I was trying to convince the consulate in Shanghai to add one more set, but no go. She told me that two was the max (this is true, but the girl in HK said they would try and squeeze a third set in for me since I had to pay for it) so I wound up getting a new passport with 50 some pages. They also allowed me to get a second passport since I go thru them so fast. I had to get a letter from my employer for the second passport, stating the reason for all the travel and need for visas to many countries, etc.

One trip from China to HK is four stamps, doesn't take too long to fill up.

So now I have to travel with three passports, one new one, one cancelled with the visas that are still current, and the second current passport to try use it up first. The second passport is only good for two years.

I feel like James Bond or something, except they are all the same name and country of issue. And of course I don't have beautiful, classy women begging to sleep with me in my 6 star hotels. And nobody is shooting at me. And I don't look like Sean Connery. Then or now.

I can deal without the shooting part, but I wouldn't mind having his women and his expense account.

Bango Cheito
10-28-11, 03:34
Well I moved here from NYC so you can hear a pin drop in comparison.

As for things to do, well, once again I'm coming from NYC and there's even more to do, sucks I have to work here for a living because I'd still have something to do every day, and I'm talking music, theater, art galleries, etc. Not to mention the potential for travelling and visiting the most INCREDIBLE national parks, damn you can hop on a plane at Bogota airport and be in the Amazon in just over an hour! Or pristine Caribbean beaches in San Andres, or Pereira which is like a 24 hour party town.

I think there are some absolutes about physical appearance. Tall is better than short, too fat and too skinny are BOTH bad. Women are most attractive with lots of hips and ass and slim waists. Men are attractive with the classic "X" figure, well defined lats, big shoulders, once again slim waist. Long hair trumps short in both women AND men, no matter WHAT any culture tells us. And generally skin that's not too pink and not too dark is the most physically attractive. People liking people really fat or liking them really white is not the deepest things. These are just indicators of wealth and social status in many cultures. True physical attraction is MUCH MUCH more powerful than that.

Mr Enternational
10-28-11, 04:48
Mr. E: I consider you a well-travelled hobbyist. So with Colombia sliding off your list, where would you go to for your Latina fix in the future?

I have only been to Medellin and I think it is relatively quiet so you definitely should visit.I think I'm giving the Latina thing a break for now and concentrating on Thailand. I mean what other Latinas can beat Colombianas anyway? None that I have ever seen (although I have not been to Cuba, Honduras, Bolivia, Paraguay or Chile - the people who I know that have been to those places have not been itching to go back). My top all-around women on the planet are still Brazilians, Colombians, and Thais (not necessarily in that order). I will still have them in my head, but they are not in my heart right now. I keep thinking of two fine ass Colombianas I saw in the airport when I was leaving out of Bogota. They were with two Average Joes. When I tell you these two girls were turning every man's head that they walked past I mean that shit. Those guys must have been their brothers or cousins or something. I should have taken out my camera is what I should have done.

BayBoy
10-28-11, 19:47
Recently I looked at airfares to Colombia from California (SFO) and the prices have gone through the roof. Its $1100 to Bogota and $1200 to Medellin. Thats with American Airlines. I don't know if other airlines have gone up the same. But whats up with that? A year ago it was $700 rt to Medellin. I can't believe what American is doing. These prices were for Jan. And Feb. The 'low season'. Its way higher for Nov. And December. I guess Colombia is getting more popular with the tourists and they're going to cash in on it.

Going to Nicaragua in Jan. Its only $580 rt from SFO.

Montanaland
10-28-11, 20:59
Recently I looked at airfares to Colombia from California (SFO) and the prices have gone through the roof. Its $1100 to Bogota and $1200 to Medellin. Thats with American Airlines. I don't know if other airlines have gone up the same. But whats up with that? A year ago it was $700 rt to Medellin. I can't believe what American is doing. These prices were for Jan. And Feb. The 'low season'. Its way higher for Nov. And December. I guess Colombia is getting more popular with the tourists and they're going to cash in on it.

Going to Nicaragua in Jan. Its only $580 rt from SFO.May I offer up NN's recent article on using skyscanner?

http://naughtynomad.com/2011/10/14/travel-hack-insanely-cheap-flights/

You Can
10-29-11, 12:57
All the airlines are way up, I always paid around 320. Round trip from atlantic city to Cartagena and now its around 700. With good seats and bag fees. Its insane. Same with continental from Newark to Puerto plata, I use to pay 340. Round trip now its 750.


Recently I looked at airfares to Colombia from California (SFO) and the prices have gone through the roof. Its $1100 to Bogota and $1200 to Medellin. Thats with American Airlines. I don't know if other airlines have gone up the same. But whats up with that? A year ago it was $700 rt to Medellin. I can't believe what American is doing. These prices were for Jan. And Feb. The 'low season'. Its way higher for Nov. And December. I guess Colombia is getting more popular with the tourists and they're going to cash in on it.

Going to Nicaragua in Jan. Its only $580 rt from SFO.

John Gault
10-29-11, 18:27
All the airlines are way up, I always paid around 320. Round trip from atlantic city to Cartagena and now its around 700. With good seats and bag fees. Its insane. Same with continental from Newark to Puerto plata, I use to pay 340. Round trip now its 750.Many years ago the mens club I belonged to ran junkets from Philadelphia to Las Vegas. It was great, and cheaper than a regular flight. We had all kind of drawings, and card playing on the flight. We had our own booze, and food. We passed the hat and the flight attendants were very happy with that for them.

I know it is a pipe dream, but it would be great if someone could make charters to exotic places for Mongers.

Imagine 200 guys off the plane, and all ready for action. It would be the fleet was in for the WG's. LOL.

Meanwhile the airlines wet their beaks a little to much for my taste.

If we could only get rid of all the backpackers, and stinking phony missonarys then there would be more seats open for the (Mongers) true adventurer.

Before anyone jumps on me for my Missonary comment let me give two examples.

1. After the earthquake in Haiti the first ones on the plane home were them,

2. In the most expensive resort on the west coast of Nicaragua while I was staying there, it was loaded with these so called do gooders.

Fuck it I rest my case.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-29-11, 18:38
If we could only get rid of all the backpackers, and stinking phony missonarys then there would be more seats open for the (Mongers) true adventurer.A lot of my hotter lady friends on facebook, I have been noticing more and more sporadic gringos popping up in their club pictures from lleras, palmas and shit like that. I ask them "who are these gringos?". And they tell me some shit like "oh I met him in the club and he's here with a large group of 50 on a missionary from Norte Carloinas" I was like yeah right.

John Gault
10-30-11, 19:51
I am in Nicaragua now, but felt the Colombia forum should know of what just happened to me. On my last trip, and now this one I have been ripped off by uising my ATM cards. I use my hand to cover my pin, and make sure I'm alone, but it does not matter. The scam is when I use the card on say Oct. 28th they make phony charges before that date. Very strange I arrived in MGA on Oct. 18th, and did not use the card till Oct. 28th but they had a picnic hitting me with four tranactions that cleaned out my account. Lucky I only had $600 in that account, but I am not a happy camper. This has soured me on Nicaragua, but if I ever return it will be with cash only.

Lets hope they don't start these tricks in Colombia as I only use ATM's there with no problems so far.

BTW in 10 business days I should know if my claim will get my money back. TD Bank is great. They let me file my dispute on the phone while E- Trade is making me fill out papers when I get home.

You Can
10-30-11, 21:07
Thanks for the info, because I always use my atm card when in Cartagena. I heard these thieves can do this but have never had it happen to me and I hope I never do.


I am in Nicaragua now, but felt the Colombia forum should know of what just happened to me. On my last trip, and now this one I have been ripped off by uising my ATM cards. I use my hand to cover my pin, and make sure I'm alone, but it does not matter. The scam is when I use the card on say Oct. 28th they make phony charges before that date. Very strange I arrived in MGA on Oct. 18th, and did not use the card till Oct. 28th but they had a picnic hitting me with four tranactions that cleaned out my account. Lucky I only had $600 in that account, but I am not a happy camper. This has soured me on Nicaragua, but if I ever return it will be with cash only.

Lets hope they don't start these tricks in Colombia as I only use ATM's there with no problems so far.

BTW in 10 business days I should know if my claim will get my money back. TD Bank is great. They let me file my dispute on the phone while E- Trade is making me fill out papers when I get home.

SlamCity7777
10-30-11, 21:18
I am in Nicaragua now, but felt the Colombia forum should know of what just happened to me. On my last trip, and now this one I have been ripped off by uising my ATM cards. I use my hand to cover my pin, and make sure I'm alone, but it does not matter. The scam is when I use the card on say Oct. 28th they make phony charges before that date. Very strange I arrived in MGA on Oct. 18th, and did not use the card till Oct. 28th but they had a picnic hitting me with four tranactions that cleaned out my account. Lucky I only had $600 in that account, but I am not a happy camper. This has soured me on Nicaragua, but if I ever return it will be with cash only.

Lets hope they don't start these tricks in Colombia as I only use ATM's there with no problems so far.

BTW in 10 business days I should know if my claim will get my money back. TD Bank is great. They let me file my dispute on the phone while E- Trade is making me fill out papers when I get home.So how do they do it? What do they do? For example I only use Davidenda or what ever the name of the bank in Colombia with the little house for it's logo and have never had a problem. Do you mean like a Hi-end skim scam where they hook up a "chinger" to an given ATM and record your info?

Any and all details would be most helpful and appreciated.

Manizales911
10-31-11, 14:41
So how do they do it? What do they do? For example I only use Davidenda or what ever the name of the bank in Colombia with the little house for it's logo and have never had a problem. Do you mean like a Hi-end skim scam where they hook up a "chinger" to an given ATM and record your info?

Any and all details would be most helpful and appreciated.My understanding is that they do it one of two ways. Both methods are used to capture your card number and pin number. Once they have it they just clone the card. One method is to put put a card reading device over the existing device on the machine, this in my opinion should be easy to spot. The other way is to put high tech miniature cameras in the area of the ATM that allows them to zoom in and see the card number and watch you punch in your pin. The newest cameras use infrared that can see the heat left behind from your fingers hitting the keypad. Both methods are used in Colombia. I don't use my cards anymore, I do take them as an emergency backup but I am of the opinion it is safer to just bring in USD and go to a cambio. I take a taxi straight from the airport to my apartment or hotel and lock 50% in the safe and 50% in my luggage and exchange about 2 or 3 days worth of spending money at a time. The last time I used a card on one of my trips was six months ago in a hotel in the DR, the hotel double charged me and I had to dispute it.

John Gault
10-31-11, 19:55
So how do they do it? What do they do? For example I only use Davidenda or what ever the name of the bank in Colombia with the little house for it's logo and have never had a problem. Do you mean like a Hi-end skim scam where they hook up a "chinger" to an given ATM and record your info?

Any and all details would be most helpful and appreciated.Fuck if I know how they do it. I also use Davidenda in Mayorista. Never a problem, and you can get 720k. Of course it can get bad there also.

Bango Cheito
11-01-11, 00:19
So how do they do it? What do they do? For example I only use Davidenda or what ever the name of the bank in Colombia with the little house for it's logo and have never had a problem. Do you mean like a Hi-end skim scam where they hook up a "chinger" to an given ATM and record your info?

Any and all details would be most helpful and appreciated.They install a second scanner which transmits the data wirelessly over the internet. It's almost impossible to detect. They were doing this a lot in ATMS in New York too.

SlamCity7777
11-01-11, 01:35
They install a second scanner which transmits the data wirelessly over the internet. It's almost impossible to detect. They were doing this a lot in ATMS in New York too.For real? WOW! Are some of the banks in on this? Don't thy monitor they're ATMs? I remember hearing about a huge scam in the states where they hid recorders at Gas Station pumps, Pin pads in convince stores. Places like that; but never in a dedicated bank atm. Now you got me all shook!