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TheShadow2
07-28-06, 18:46
You guys are worrying me a little...
It used to be the only people going to Colombia were guys with some kind of traveling experience. This just confirms those days are gone. That ain't good.

Luis,
Hopefully the worst thing that will happen is you'll be sitting in the Cartagena airport with your thumb up your ass, waiting for a flight to Chicago that doesn't exist. And last time I checked, Continental can get you from Chicago to Cali only by flying through Houston or New York. If you did some research, you'd find a better alternative would be to fly from O'Hare to Miami ($200) then Miami to Cartagena or Cali ($425).

Dvjhnsn123,
No city I know of is going to be a good experience if you don't at least know the basics of the language they speak there. You're going to struggle from beggining to end. Will you manage to get laid anyway? Probably, if you are determined and have a wallet full of dollars.
But you are much better off breaking in at a location like Costa Rica which is more geared toward tourists and more people speak english. You'll meet plenty of hot Colombiana working girls there and have a better overall trip experience. Start studying spanish if you're going to try and make these kinds of trips, it'll be worth the time and effort believe me.

Capt Crunch
07-30-06, 01:06
I am considering a 1st time trip to Colombia in December or February. What city is suggested for a "newbie". I have been to Costa Rica several times and generally like the setup of the Hotel Del Rey(bars downstairs and hotel room upstairs).

Is there a hotel set up in this fashion in Colombia? other Latin or Asian countries?

Thanks

Capt Crunch

Xion149
07-30-06, 14:04
Any suggestions? I'm leaning to Colombia and would appreciate suggestion for which is the best city for non-Spanish speakers. BTW, I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese.

Thanks.If you want no language difficulty, then Rio hands down.

Only need two words there, obrigado and nao for the touts.

Colombia has more hot women per square foot, no contest.

But Rio certainly has *enough* hot women, and they are WAY sluttier.

Help is fun, I like how my ass is grabbed no less than 20 times on a trip to-and-from the bar.

Surfer
07-30-06, 19:07
If you speak no Spanish, for sure I'd go to Rio. Plus it has way more garotas into competo (anal) and they are better, less inhibited lovers, than Colombianas.

Mangera
07-30-06, 19:28
I have been to Rio several times including a 5 week stay in Brasil just a few weeks ago. I have also been to Bogota, Cucuta, and Cartagena. Being that I speak spanish as well as english, my spanish has taken my visits to Colombia beyond expectation, at least till now (I will be in Medellin for the first time on Moday night). This is not to say one can not have fun in Colombia without speaking spanish, but it makes a huge difference, especially when safety is an issue.

For the reason stated above, I decided a while back after one of my Brasil trips, to take Portuguese lessons here at home, and my last trip was totally different than my previous one's to Rio. I banged a few non-pros than I would not have banged before if I did not speak the language and safety was less of an issue. Same applies to Colombia, spanish will take you a long way.

As to compare the uninhibited sexual appetite of the brasileras to the colombianas, hands down, brasileras take it (e.g. I have never even had to discuss the posibilities of bbbj, its an automatic deal). I have also met some wild colombianas, but with much less frequency.

Gentlemen, make a small effort to learn a little bit of a new language, cause it will take you to places and meeting women that you never would have imagined.

Npaul1
08-02-06, 22:05
Have recently been told I am supposed to be the father, even though the girl said she tested negative for pregnancy and had a period after I was with her.

My Colombian lawyer says not to travel to Colombia anymore, her lawyer may file a criminal complaint against me for non-support of her and the child, maternity expenses, etc. and DAS may stop and arrest me at the border. Though I was married to her, creating a presumption of paternity, I was able to get the marriage annulled in the states. I do not plan on travelling to Colombia any more to participate in the Colombian divorce going on, who can trust their DNA testing anyway? Most Colombian Drs. would alter the results for $100.

Some other guy out there must have been the victim of this before, right?

I will probably just lay back and wait, see if anything happens in the US an defend against it if anything comes thru into the US.

Please advise by PM if you know the procedure and have any advice.

Polvo
08-13-06, 06:58
I am married to a Colombian and came to know Bogota really well through Christmas and other holiday visits. ...Straight Shooter,

This was a superb report - please excuse my tardiness in reading it. I am making an assumption that you got a residence visa through your marriage. What is the overall visa situation in Colombia for non-married gringos trying to retire where life is good (eg investor, residence etc.)?

Thanks

Polvo

Digits
08-17-06, 20:25
I am planning another trip to Colombia and will be staying in Medellin this time. I was interested in taking side trips (2 days or so) to other cities like Cali, Bogota and even Quito. What is the better/less expensive/safer alternative to air travel between these cities?

Thanks.

Digits

Tom 33
08-18-06, 01:06
I rode a bus from MDE to CLO about a year and a half ago. It was cheap and safe. It did take a few hours to become accustomed to vehicles passing in obvious no passing zones. Apparently everyone drives expecting an oncoming vehicle in their lane.

I would not go to Quito over land. The Ecuador/Colombia border area has been hot with guerilla activity lately.

Digits
08-18-06, 06:39
Thanks Tom.

Do you remember how long the MDE-CLO ride was?

AddictedToWomen
08-18-06, 10:55
who can trust their DNA testing anyway? Most Colombian Drs. would alter the results for $100.

Colombia has a good and ethical medical profession. Insist on a report by IDEME (sp?) or one of the other top labs and you'll get an honest result.

AddictedToWomen
08-18-06, 11:02
I rode a bus from MDE to CLO about a year and a half ago. It was cheap and safe. It did take a few hours to become accustomed to vehicles passing in obvious no passing zones. Apparently everyone drives expecting an oncoming vehicle in their lane.

I would not go to Quito over land. The Ecuador/Colombia border area has been hot with guerilla activity lately.

Note sure what the Quito overland route is, but I always check the Travel advice at the UK FCO website. I consider it more reliable than the US one. It's at http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385774

And you can call them and they're happy to advise you on the phone too.

They're currently saying:

We strongly advise against all travel to Putumayo, Arauca, Caqueta, Nariño, Guaviare, Norte de Santander departments and rural areas of Choco because of a high risk to personal safety. For the same reason, we advise against travel to the rural areas of Sucre and Bolivar where one or more of the illegal armed groups and drugs cartels are currently active. The risks to British nationals of being kidnapped, caught up in the fighting, or otherwise of getting into serious trouble are high. The effective authority of the Colombian State in many of these areas is limited. The British Embassy’s ability to try to assist British nationals in trouble in these areas could be similarly limited. Two British backpackers were kidnapped in Choco department's border area with Panama in 2000, and a British backpacker was killed near Quibdo, the provincial capital, in 2001.

We also advise against all travel to rural areas of Antioquia, southern Meta, Valle de Cauca, Cauca departments and to rural areas of Huila department (including San Agustin). The illegal armed groups are active in these areas. However, the capitals of these departments may still be visited by air.

The departments of Norte de Santander and Arauca, and Nariño, Caqueta and Putumayo border Venezuela and Ecuador respectively. The FARC regularly carry out raids on government forces and civilians in these border regions. In January 2005, the Governor’s Office in Arauca was bombed and, in the same month, 17 farmers were killed. The southern departments bordering Ecuador, and also southern Meta department, are also areas in which the Colombian authorities are concentrating their efforts in their war against insurgents and drug-traffickers, as part of the Plan Patriota. There are frequent clashes between government forces and illegal armed groups.

We do not currently advise against travel to Leticia, the jungle town on the Amazonian border with Peru and Brazil.

AUC (or former AUC) members, despite the demobilisation process, continue to set up illegal roadblocks in Sucre and Bolivar departments, providing an increased risk of kidnap and extortion. Likewise, the FARC and ELN are setting up similar roadblocks in Valle de Cauca and Cauca departments.

If you travel to major cities in Colombia, we do encourage you to take sensible precautions. In addition to Bogota, important business centres include Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga and Cartagena. Cartagena is a popular tourist destination and venue for major conferences.

If you intend to visit areas not specifically mentioned in this advice, you should check with the British Embassy's Consular Section in Bogota if you are in any doubt about your safety. You should also check with the Embassy before undertaking any trips to remote areas, even if these are to recognised tourist destinations.

Tom 33
08-18-06, 14:11
The bus from MDE to CLO would take around 11 hours. I broke it into four legs by overnighting in Manizales, Pereira, and Armenia along the way.

Surfer
08-18-06, 17:27
Travel by land South of Jamundi (just South of Cali) is NOT adviseable for foreigners. While Cali to Popayan is less than 4 hours by bus, the safe way is to fly back to BOG where you catch the 4o minute flight to Popayan. Southern Colombia is NOT tourist friendly and heavily policed like Cartgena.

Master Yoda
08-19-06, 10:49
How difficult is it to find ama de casa (housewife) to live with you in Colombia or bring back to the states? I personally prefer to live there so I can have a wife and monger on the side.

Superboy1
08-19-06, 21:13
It is not worth it,when you take a Colombia women back to your country she will change into a western women,and will leave you,becouse she will see alot of nice looking blue eyes blonde hair guys about.
This has not happean to me,but i have heard many a story about it.
So you have to do one of two things,
1. move to Colombia
2.forget about Colombia wife and just be a monger.

Superboy


How difficult is it to find ama de casa (housewife) to live with you in Colombia or bring back to the states? I personally prefer to live there so I can have a wife and monger on the side.

Cubanut
08-19-06, 21:49
The bus from MDE to CLO would take around 11 hours. I broke it into four legs by overnighting in Manizales, Pereira, and Armenia along the way.

Tom 33,

Do you know of any mongering places in Manizales, Pereira or Armenia?

How long of a ride (in hours) would it be by car to Armenia then on to Peieira then Manizales?


Thanks,


Cubanut

Master Yoda
08-19-06, 21:50
It is not worth it,when you take a Colombia women back to your country she will change into a western women,and will leave you,becouse she will see alot of nice looking blue eyes blonde hair guys about.
This has not happean to me,but i have heard many a story about it.
So you have to do one of two things,
1. move to Colombia
2.forget about Colombia wife and just be a monger.

SuperboyThanks superboy. Well I was thinking pf moving, maybe next year but I just wanted to know how easy it is to meet a middle class working girl and turn her into a housewife. I hear that alot of women down there are turning into Aw's.

Fido Dido
08-19-06, 22:13
It is not worth it,when you take a Colombia women back to your country she will change into a western women,and will leave you,becouse she will see alot of nice looking blue eyes blonde hair guys about.Yes Superboy this is a very hard message to us all, but unfortunately it is true what you are saying . . .

Surfer
08-19-06, 22:52
Cubanut: Antifreeze now lives in Perriera and would be happy to show you around I am sure. Mongering scene is OK from what I am told, LOTS of university girls. PM me for his email. 3 hours by taxi from Cali, less than 5 hours from Medellin. Very safe road by all accounts (unlike SOUTH of Cali).

Tom 33
08-20-06, 00:19
How long of a ride (in hours) would it be by car to Armenia then on to Peieira then Manizales?

Cali to Armenia would be about 2 hours. It's another hour or so to Pereira. Then add maybe 2 hours more to Manizales.

I took my trip with a novia. So I never had a chance to go sniffing. There was some nice stuff strutting around.

All three metro areas are 500 - 700,000 people. Manizales is more of a university town. Pereira is the largest and most cosmopolitan. All three seemed pretty safe.

Felipe2006
08-23-06, 14:35
Hi guys,

I´m thinking if going to Latin America later this year - I still have vacation time left over from last year… I´m looking at late October / early November. Anyway, it´ll be my first time there and the trip will be about 2 weeks.

Now my question. Where should I go - Cuba, DR, Colombia or Venezuela? I have read most of the forum reports on these four countries (well, “only” the ones from 2005 & 2006 actually), and I think I have a good idea what to expect in the different places. Btw, I would I´d like to thank all you guys who post such great reports!

Before someone tells me “Brasil”: I´ll probably go there in 2007 – a Brazilian friend of mine is getting married next year and has invited me to come visit. So I am not going now.

I should mention that I speak Spanish fluently – I´ve been to Spain quite often in the past two years, mostly on business, but some fun also. See my posts in the Spain section (February 2006). I´m 35 y.o.

After reviewing the info, these are my impressions – please correct me if I´m wrong in your opinion, feel free to give your advice or point of view!

(1) Cuba: the scene seems to be much slower than a few years ago. Stories of hassles, crackdowns etc. Also I don't like police-states, communist or other, so I guess I´ll pass on Cuba – even though cubanas (the ones I know in Spain) are very fine.

(2) Venezuela: many people seem to complain it´s gotten too expensive & that p4p-action is too “professional” (in the negative sense), no gfe etc. Is that accurate?

(3) DR: some areas over-touristed, but others less so. Many positive reports. Crime less a problem than in Venezuela or Colombia.

(4) Colombia: many good reports. Cartagena vs. Medellin or Cali? Safety could be an issue (?), but I´m not a scared person normally. I guess as long as you do as the locals do & keep your wits about it should be ok.

Right now, I´m leaning to either DR or Colombia. I´d love to do both, but in 12-14 days it´s probably not practical. Anyway, thanks for all the info, hope this post was not too long or too boring.

Felipe2006

Nowrath
09-03-06, 19:23
Gents,

As of 09-03-06 What is the departure tax from CTG via BOG to USA , $28.00 or $30.00.

Thanks,

Nowrath

Hoof Hunter
09-04-06, 16:50
Gents,

As of 09-03-06 What is the departure tax from CTG via BOG to USA , $28.00 or $30.00.

Thanks,

Nowrath

$31USD, or $51USD if you don't get the tax exemption for tourists.

Redbull #1
09-05-06, 15:30
Hi Guys.

Sorry about the question here but I don't have much time. I was wondering if anyone knew if Cialis or Vigara was available in bogota w/o a prescription ? I'm travel there later this month and will report back on the street action.

El Greco
09-05-06, 16:36
Definetely Colombia is the place to go.

If you are looking for a sea resort then Cartagena and San Andres is the best choise. The later accompanied with a chica is a must.

If you don't care about the beaches then the best place is Medellin.

I didn't stay there, because my wing man could not afford it, but I suggest to stay at the Ausie's Greg Mansion or their cheaper choice.

Everything will be handy there for you.

Friday and Saturday early night go to Parque Jerras in Poblado. You will not beleive your eyes.
Later go to the very large Disco the copy of the one in Miami. Sorry I don't recall the name now.

Next time try Buenos Aires too.


El Greco

MiamiHeatLuver
09-05-06, 17:11
Hi Guys.

Sorry about the question here but I don't have much time. I was wondering if anyone knew if Cialis or Vigara was available in bogota w/o a prescription ? I'm travel there later this month and will report back on the street action.
You can get GENERIC VIAGRA at a good discounted rate, There is NO generic Cialis YET only original and those go for like 24k each pill or i heard they sell 4 packs for like 80k, you do NOT need a prescription!

El Austriaco
09-08-06, 07:24
Now my question. Where should I go - Cuba, DR, Colombia or Venezuela?
I have been to all four countries: Cuba (Havanna) for a week in 1998, DR (Santo Domingo/Boca Chica) twice in 2003/2004 for about a month, Colombia once for two weeks last year (Cartagena/Barranquilla), Venezuela (Caracas, Puerto la Cruz) once for three weeks back in 2001. As far as I can tell, your assessment of the individual countries is dead-on. For me, the order would be 1. Colombia, 2. Dominican Republic, 3. Venezuela, 4. Cuba.

A while ago, I wrote a crosscountry comparison to determine the runner-up to Rio de Janeiro (which is still best in my book), including pros and cons of the individual places. Check it out:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460765&postcount=970

Ultimately, I think it depends on how safety-conscious you are. If safety is a prime concern of yours, go to the DR or stick to Cartagena, Colombia. If you are more of a risk-taker, I would definitely say Colombia should be first on your list.

Over time, however, I think you should do all of these countries. All of them are beautiful and have tons to offer, in terms of P4P and otherwise. And please, make sure you go to Brazil, whether your friend gets hitched or not. You owe it to yourself!

Hope this helps,

EA

Redbull #1
09-10-06, 18:37
Thanks MIA Heat!!!

Q Bert
09-10-06, 18:54
Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian

Chivas 1
09-10-06, 19:52
Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

BrianHello Brian,

I have checked on this on a number occasions and I have always been told it is not possible to ship a desk top computer into Colombia for whatever reason I cannot answer and I will be very interested to see how others respond. You can ship a laptop but not a desk top. From speaking to Dell about buying one I also have found that they are much more expensive to purchase in Latin America than in the United States. I know I have ran into the same problems with shipping a computer into Mexico as well as bringing one in as part of my baggage when flying.

Taser
09-10-06, 20:59
Pay a little more and bring it with you on a flight from the USA, or ship with Servientrega. http://www.servientregaww.com.

MJG Dogs
09-10-06, 21:02
Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian

Why not buy a computer in Bogota and not worry about the duties, inspections etc...

Too bad you guys cannot make extra points, even though that was the best game on the TV yesterday. The Ohio State game was a yawner, except for Matthew Mc Coughnagy making a fool out of himself....

Cachorro
09-11-06, 01:26
Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian
The best way to do it is probably not to attempt it at all.

I have heard a few sad stories of things getting held up in customs for many months, or not coming back at all.

An alternative is just to ship the hard drives down via Servientrega or something similar. You would then buy a new computer in Colombia and copy the data across. Even easier, set your computer up back in the US so that you can connect to it via internet, then download off it or use remote desktop to operate it.

FI4451
09-11-06, 04:43
Flying into Colombia from the USA. I fly from Atlanta, to Bogota, to Cartagena- do I clear customs at Bogota or Cartagena or both. Any help would be appreciated. (Destination is Cartagena).

Hoof Hunter
09-11-06, 05:04
Flying into Colombia from the USA. I fly from Atlanta, to Bogota, to Cartagena- do I clear customs at Bogota or Cartagena or both. Any help would be appreciated. (Destination is Cartagena).

Only in Bogota, where you enter the country (Colombia). And in Bogota also, when you're leaving the country (Colombia).

When you return to the USA, you deal with them in Atlanta (entry in the country). You don't deal with customs/immigration leaving the country, as US airlines are supposed to perform security checks on their passengers.

Hope that helps.

Dogman2
09-11-06, 05:11
Flying into Colombia from the USA. I fly from Atlanta, to Bogota, to Cartagena- do I clear customs at Bogota or Cartagena or both. Any help would be appreciated. (Destination is Cartagena).I was surprised to find that you clear customs in Bogota without your luggage. It is checked to your ongoing flight without handling it in Bogota. The arrival in Cartagena is a domestic flight, so there is no customs involved.

Lima Busy
09-11-06, 19:23
Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian
CT,
Unless you are a permanent resident you can not bring in a desktop. I assume you will be in Colombia on a tourist visa. Go to the Colombia govt. website to see other restrictions on tourist or business visa's.

Scooby posted a web address for another website, that I think has a forum that covers this.

Desktops, like a Dell are just assembled parts with a logo stamped on. Once in Colombia find a person who can build one to your specs. I have also known guys who brought all the internals in there luggage and just bought the case,power supply and monitor once they arrived.

LB

FI4451
09-11-06, 19:42
Thanks for the help with my question. I am curious, is 1 hour and 20 minutes enough time to go through BOG customs and make the connecting flight to CTG? I've heard BOG isn't the greatest airport to make connections. Also, Hoof, I don't have to walk my bag through customs?

Hoof Hunter
09-12-06, 03:00
Thanks for the help with my question. I am curious, is 1 hour and 20 minutes enough time to go through BOG customs and make the connecting flight to CTG? I've heard BOG isn't the greatest airport to make connections. Also, Hoof, I don't have to walk my bag through customs?

Bogota isn't the best place to make a connection to a domestic flight from an international one. Problem is, if the international airlines delay at all in departing on-time, you run the risk of missing the last domestic flights out, to CTG, BAQ, Medellin and Cali, all of which depart between 9:15 and 9:45 pm. And of any Avianca flights, those late flights are usually the ones that leave on time, and they do not wait for connection passengers at all.

No, you do not walk your bags through customs. After collecting your bags, as you hand in your customs declaration form, you may be subject to a random search by the military police who secure the airport. Depends on whether you're unlucky enough to get the red light when you push the button.

1 hour and 20 minutes should be plenty of time to make the connection, IF your flight leaves Atlanta and arrives on time. Figure about 30 mins in customs, if you haul ass once the plane doors open. That line in Bogota for customs gets longggg, esp. when 2-3 planes often land at the same time. Also, figure 20 mins in baggage claim, even after the customs wait. Then there's the bus shuttle to the other airport (Puente Aereo) where your flight to CTG departs, figure another 10 mins for that.

My advice, do as I do and only use carry-on luggage. You'll make your flight, if you land on time. The baggage claim in Bogota, after customs, is a zoo. Just buy your toiletries (liquids) in CTG, and pack light clothes. You can have your laundry done, and folded, in Laguito for about $3-5/full load. Take them in the morning and get them back that night.

Hope that helps.

Bango Cheito
09-12-06, 05:28
At El Dorado they have a separate line for people making connections within Colombia, so they can make their connecting flights on time. You make a right turn right before getting to the regular immigration line.

Hoof Hunter
09-12-06, 06:27
At El Dorado they have a separate line for people making connections within Colombia, so they can make their connecting flights on time. You make a right turn right before getting to the regular immigration line.

If I'm correct, I believe that line that you're referring to is for international connections, not domestic. For instance, if you're flying Avianca from NYC or Miami with a connection flight from Bogota into Caracas, Sao Paolo, Lima, etc. I think that there are signs saying as much.

Missed a connecting flight to BAQ last year trying that. Flight was late in arriving. LOL!!!

Q Bert
09-12-06, 09:10
CT,
Unless you are a permanent resident you can not bring in a desktop. I assume you will be in Colombia on a tourist visa. Go to the Colombia govt. website to see other restrictions on tourist or business visa's.

Scooby posted a web address for another website, that I think has a forum that covers this.

Desktops, like a Dell are just assembled parts with a logo stamped on. Once in Colombia find a person who can build one to your specs. I have also known guys who brought all the internals in there luggage and just bought the case,power supply and monitor once they arrived.

LB

I will be on a special visa because I own a business in Columbia now. This might be a good question for my lawyer.

Thanks for the help though!

CT

AddictedToWomen
09-12-06, 16:43
CT,
Unless you are a permanent resident you can not bring in a desktop. I assume you will be in Colombia on a tourist visa. Go to the Colombia govt. website to see other restrictions on tourist or business visa's.
LB

This is the first time I've heard this. I took a minitower on my last trip without problems (apart from the damage the TSA did anyway)

MiamiHeatLuver
09-12-06, 17:20
Hey just felt like venting, $910 r/t MIA to MDE/CLO/CTG or BQA on AA? AVIANCA was MORE!!! Like $950? Dec 23-Jan4. I mean WTF? What really bugs me is that my friends from NY ALWAYS seem to pay less than me and this time is no DIFFERENT, LOL I know its a peak holliday season, but it almost feels like price gouging and they do it just because they can. B.S! ahh the price I/We gotta pay to see our ladies. Whether it be Novia or P4P.. Peace "Chino"

Lima Busy
09-12-06, 18:03
This is the first time I've heard this. I took a minitower on my last trip without problems (apart from the damage the TSA did anyway)
I assume you did not declare it on your immigration form and customs did not search your luggage!
LB

Luis The Great
09-13-06, 00:13
Hey just felt like venting, $910 r/t MIA to MDE/CLO/CTG or BQA on AA? AVIANCA was MORE!!! Like $950? Dec 23-Jan4. I mean WTF? What really bugs me is that my friends from NY ALWAYS seem to pay less than me and this time is no DIFFERENT, LOL I know its a peak holliday season, but it almost feels like price gouging and they do it just because they can. B.S! ahh the price I/We gotta pay to see our ladies. Whether it be Novia or P4P.. Peace "Chino"

I want to see my Novia for the holidays Cheapest I could find in continental $1090 round trip Chicago to Cali. I just went in the end of august it was only $695 total. If any body know of anything cheaper let us know.
Unbelievable..........

Hoof Hunter
09-13-06, 01:52
I wouldn't wait too long to book those holiday flights. The prices generally go UP closer to the holiday. It's rare to find cheap flights to Colombia, DR, Jamaica, etc. etc.. as the airlines know that is their prime busy season and the demand is greater than the supply of seats. Therefore, he who delays, pays. People from foreign countries want to go home to spend the holidays with their family. From a US perspective, think of the costs of holiday domestic flights here. More $$$ than normal no matter when you book it.

Best option, be flexible in your dates going and coming. Sometimes seats open up at lower rates, as people may cancel, or the airline releases more seats for sale (codeshare partners). You're gonna have to work to find that low price, meaning daily checking of Expedia, Travelocity, the airline sites directly, etc., and then being ready to jump on it immediately. Set up those low price alerts.

Another option, try to see if you can fly on miles. It's possible, if there are the allocated seats still open.

In Colombia, flights are more expensive also, esp. to the Caribbean coast, as families vacation there during that time. Bogota is a ghost town. Cali has the Feria de Cali during Christmas as well. This is some of what you're competing against.

Suerte

Scooby1
09-13-06, 03:45
I want to see my Novia for the holidays Cheapest I could find in continental $1090 round trip Chicago to Cali. I just went in the end of august it was only $695 total. If any body know of anything cheaper let us know.
Unbelievable..........

Check out http://abstravel.com I found this 560usd price


Requested Cabin: Coach
Date Flight Departing Arriving Stops \ Aircraft Duration Cabin
Sunday, December 03, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1048 E O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 8:35 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 12:35 PM
Non-stop
757 10:30 Coach
Sunday, December 03, 2006 Avianca
AV 039 Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 4:30 PM
Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 8:05 PM
Non-stop
757 Coach

Monday, December 18, 2006 Avianca
AV 038 Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 10:15 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 1:50 PM
Non-stop
757 9:10 Coach
Monday, December 18, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1887 E Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 3:55 PM
O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 6:25 PM
Non-stop
763 Coach



Itinerary pricing

Fare Tax Passenger fee U.S. Dollar
478.00 + 67.00 + 15.00 x 1 Adult = 560.00

Total fare 560.00
Ticketing time limit: Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Chivas 1
09-13-06, 04:19
Check out http://abstravel.com I found this 560usd price

Requested Cabin: Coach
Date Flight Departing Arriving Stops \ Aircraft Duration Cabin
Sunday, December 03, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1048 E O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 8:35 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 12:35 PM
Non-stop
757 10:30 Coach
Sunday, December 03, 2006 Avianca
AV 039 Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 4:30 PM
Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 8:05 PM
Non-stop
757 Coach

Monday, December 18, 2006 Avianca
AV 038 Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 10:15 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 1:50 PM
Non-stop
757 9:10 Coach
Monday, December 18, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1887 E Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 3:55 PM
O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 6:25 PM
Non-stop
763 Coach

Itinerary pricing

Fare Tax Passenger fee U.S. Dollar
478.00 + 67.00 + 15.00 x 1 Adult = 560.00

Total fare 560.00

Ticketing time limit: Wednesday, September 13, 2006Unless I am missing something Luis The Great I have always thought seeing someone over the holidays at this particular time period you are seeking information on meant over Christmas and New Years. Who knows though as some people are very lost and feel Christmas and New Years in conducted on December 3rd. :) If I find something to fit your time period over Christmas and New Years I will p.m you the information but I know the airfare is going to be rediculous.

Luis The Great
09-14-06, 00:22
Your correct I was referring to Christmas season rates. Dec 2x - Jan xth to be exact. I also found in October round trip rates as low as $475. Thats half of what im going to pay in Dec/Jan. $1000 But thats the price I have to pay to be with my Girlfriend for the Holidays. I think I will set up those low rate alerts someone mentioned earlier .

Update: I just checked that website Scooby mentioned.
I found those exact dates for $703 Round trip. Thanks Scooby I owe you one.

Once again thanks for everyones input.

Scooby1
09-14-06, 02:08
I forgot to add the $20.00 service fee ABS Travel charges & there is a small fee to have the tickets mailed to you, I can not remember how much it is. It depends on wether they are overnighted or regular mail, I believe its free if you pick them up at the airport, I was afraid to do that I wanted the tickets in my hand before I left home. Even so they were still the cheapest I could find when I went to Colombia in April/May. Don't forget to tell them to put the tickets on your frequent flyer miles. I had no problems with them and they were very friendly.

Scooby
Happy Mongering

P.S. If you have room can you smuggle me in, in your suitcase LOL

Luis The Great
09-14-06, 02:53
I forgot to add the $20.00 service fee ABS Travel charges & there is a small fee to have the tickets mailed to you, I can not remember how much it is. It depends on wether they are overnighted or regular mail, I believe its free if you pick them up at the airport, I was afraid to do that I wanted the tickets in my hand before I left home. Even so they were still the cheapest I could find when I went to Colombia in April/May. Don't forget to tell them to put the tickets on your frequent flyer miles. I had no problems with them and they were very friendly.


Scooby
Happy Mongering

P.S. If you have room can you smuggle me in, in your suitcase LOL


Sorry I tried that with my girlfriend they stopped us at the suitcase inspection at the airport - Hahahahahahaha

Chivas 1
09-14-06, 03:59
Sorry I tried that with my girlfriend they stopped us at the suitcase inspection at the airport - HahahahahahahaTell it like it is Luis The Great, you are only strickly heterosexual and not bisexual! I do not know why a guy would want to be smuggled in another man's suitcase as that is very strange but it takes all kinds to make the world go around and to each his own along with there sexual preferences!. :) I am still checking on some flights for you Luis so take care man and hopefully I can come across something that will fit the dates you are seeking which is over the Christmas holidays December 2x through January x. Are you sure you do not want to celebrate your holiday on or around December 3rd? :)

Scooby1
09-14-06, 22:26
I think someone is on drugs or maybe they just forgot to take their prozac. Anyone who would think that a joke about being smuggled into Colombia in a suitcase is talking about something homo, must himself have questions about his own sexual preference for even thinking like that. That person needs to "GET A LIFE"!!! Being negitive all the time shows the level of immaturity a person is. God what is that person an bonehead or what.

Cyberdas
09-14-06, 23:57
I thought you guys would get a laugh from this. Here's the link:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14829139/?GT1=8506

The ‘crossed legs’ strike
Wives of Colombia gang members call sex strike against crime

Updated: 2:25 a.m. PT Sept 14, 2006

BOGOTA, Colombia - They are calling it the “crossed legs” strike.

Fretting over crime and violence, girlfriends and wives of gang members in the Colombian city of Pereira have called a ban on sex to persuade their menfolk to give up the gun.

After meeting with the mayor’s office to discuss a disarmament program, a group of women decided to deny their partners their conjugal rights and recorded a song for local radio to urge others to follow their example.

“We met with the wives and girlfriends of gang members and they were worried some were not handing over their guns and that is where they came up with the idea of a vigil or a sex strike,” mayor’s office representative Julio Cesar Gomez said.

“The message they are giving them is disarm or if not then they will decide how, when, where and at what time,” he told Reuters by telephone.

Gomez said the city, in Colombia’s coffee-growing region, reported 480 killings last year.

Crime and violence have dropped in Colombia since 2002 when President Alvaro Uribe was first elected promising to crackdown on left-wing rebels fighting a four-decade insurgency and the illegal militia groups who formed to counter them.

But cocaine-trafficking gangs and armed groups still roam parts of Colombia and murder and kidnappings remain a problem despite the fall in crime statistics.

Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

Superboy1
09-16-06, 21:11
Anyone know of any good car hire places in Medellin,I would only be hiring for about 3days.
I would be greatful for any help

Superboy

Escort King
09-18-06, 00:41
Anyone know of any good car hire places in Medellin,I would only be hiring for about 3days.
I would be greatful for any help

Superboy

A couple were listed a couple of pages ago....

Member #4351
09-19-06, 16:39
When arriving in Bogota on an international flight, is there access to duty free shops like in Lima, or only on the way out?

MiamiHeatLuver
09-19-06, 18:34
You know for that Peter North Load? or any other suppliments?

Hoof Hunter
09-19-06, 19:35
When arriving in Bogota on an international flight, is there access to duty free shops like in Lima, or only on the way out?

When arriving in Bogota internationally, there are no duty-free shops or any shops for that matter before leaving the airport. Only money exchange places.

The Lima arrival set-up is sweet!!!

Member #4351
09-19-06, 19:39
OK, thanks. I`ll buy my gifts in Duty Free, Lima on the way out.

Mangera
09-19-06, 20:28
There is a popular story of Tommy Lee expressing his thoughts on the "load" topic where he states that eating celery, and plenty of it, helps build up loads at a quicker rate than normal (not quickly, just quicker than normal), and contributes to the quantity gathered.

Guess where he got that idea from? Thats right, he personally asked Peter North himself at a Hollywood party a few years ago.

Try it, whats the worse thing that can happen? Its a natural and healthy product. Just my 2 cents worth! Laters!

MiamiHeatLuver
09-19-06, 20:40
There is a popular story of Tommy Lee expressing his thoughts on the "load" topic where he states that eating celery, and plenty of it, helps build up loads at a quicker rate than normal (not quickly, just quicker than normal), and contributes to the quantity gathered.

Guess where he got that idea from? Thats right, he personally asked Peter North himself at a Hollywood party a few years ago.

Try it, whats the worse thing that can happen? Its a natural and healthy product. Just my 2 cents worth! Laters!


CELERY?? HOLY SHIT? I dont know about that one, but i might give it a try just for fun! I also might try the L-Arganine as well, Leaving to Colombia next tuesday and Im going for 3 good nuts daily, you know after your 3rd or 4th nut your huevos start to hurt and NO MORE LECHE,, ha ha lol Peace "Chino"

BeersTerry
09-19-06, 22:23
Then what are you gonna do on the second day ? jaja

Texas Slim
09-22-06, 00:24
Can anybody here steer me in the right direction in getting some assistance with a VISA? My 6 months is coming to an end sometime in November.

* I also have a pretty killer pad on the 21st floor of a new apartment here in Poblado that is going to sit vacant for January and February while I take care of some snowbaording in the US. Not concerned with turning a profit more than finding someone to cover the expenses and keep my plants watered.

Texas Slim
09-22-06, 02:11
Thought I would add a few pics for those interested. Here are the specifics;

1) Approx. 1000 sq. ft.
2) 3 bed / 2 bath
3) 5 minute walt to Metro Aguacatala
4) 10 minute walk to Oviedo & Carullas
5) 15 minute walk to Carrefours
6) The NEW "Palmitas"? club might be 300 yards away. I have a great views of it and everything else from virtually every room in the apartment.
7) Refrigerator & washing machine, microwave - NEW
8) Everything in the apartment is NEW as I bought it all here(MDE) in April/May 2006.
9) EPM's highest available broadband connection at 256k. I've been told that Skype works well with this connection. Local phone connection and line.
10) Cable TV
11) Community pool, 24 hour porteria with guarded gate and electric fencing all the way around the place. It is at the end of a dead end street to boot. Super secure complex. I've never had any issues here.

* No oven. No AC. No SHIT!

* This couldn't be a better location if you don't have a car. Everything is either walking distance or a $1-3 taxi ride.

* I prefer someone to stay as long as possible if not the ENTIRE two months to ease my management burden. Short timers are hard to manage from the USA. I'd rather it sit vacant than have issues.

* I've picked up alot of good information on this site, so I figured I would give a little back.

* Inquire here with questions. If you are in town, feel free to stop by acheck the place out.

Slim

Kickboxer151
09-22-06, 04:17
Im interested please private message me with your contact info.

Thanks



Thought I would add a few pics for those interested. Here are the specifics;

1) Approx. 1000 sq. ft.
2) 3 bed / 2 bath
3) 5 minute walt to Metro Aguacatala
4) 10 minute walk to Oviedo & Carullas
5) 15 minute walk to Carrefours
6) The NEW "Palmitas"? club might be 300 yards away. I have a great views of it and everything else from virtually every room in the apartment.
7) Refrigerator & washing machine, microwave - NEW
8) Everything in the apartment is NEW as I bought it all here(MDE) in April/May 2006.
9) EPM's highest available broadband connection at 256k. I've been told that Skype works well with this connection. Local phone connection and line.
10) Cable TV
11) Community pool, 24 hour porteria with guarded gate and electric fencing all the way around the place. It is at the end of a dead end street to boot. Super secure complex. I've never had any issues here.

* No oven. No AC. No SHIT!

* This couldn't be a better location if you don't have a car. Everything is either walking distance or a $1-3 taxi ride.

* I prefer someone to stay as long as possible if not the ENTIRE two months to ease my management burden. Short timers are hard to manage from the USA. I'd rather it sit vacant than have issues.

* I've picked up alot of good information on this site, so I figured I would give a little back.

* Inquire here with questions. If you are in town, feel free to stop by acheck the place out.

Slim

Escort King
09-22-06, 05:24
Thought I would add a few pics for those interested. Here are the specifics;

1) Approx. 1000 sq. ft.
2) 3 bed / 2 bath
3) 5 minute walt to Metro Aguacatala
4) 10 minute walk to Oviedo & Carullas
5) 15 minute walk to Carrefours
6) The NEW "Palmitas"? club might be 300 yards away. I have a great views of it and everything else from virtually every room in the apartment.
7) Refrigerator & washing machine, microwave - NEW
8) Everything in the apartment is NEW as I bought it all here(MDE) in April/May 2006.
9) EPM's highest available broadband connection at 256k. I've been told that Skype works well with this connection. Local phone connection and line.
10) Cable TV
11) Community pool, 24 hour porteria with guarded gate and electric fencing all the way around the place. It is at the end of a dead end street to boot. Super secure complex. I've never had any issues here.

* No oven. No AC. No SHIT!

* This couldn't be a better location if you don't have a car. Everything is either walking distance or a $1-3 taxi ride.

* I prefer someone to stay as long as possible if not the ENTIRE two months to ease my management burden. Short timers are hard to manage from the USA. I'd rather it sit vacant than have issues.

* I've picked up alot of good information on this site, so I figured I would give a little back.

* Inquire here with questions. If you are in town, feel free to stop by acheck the place out.

Slim

What is the bring in chica thing like? and how much do you need?

Tom 33
09-22-06, 13:53
Can anybody here steer me in the right direction in getting some assistance with a VISA? My 6 months is coming to an end sometime in November.

Go to http://www.colombiaemb.org/opencms/opencms/consulates/visas.html. You can download the application form. You will probably want to hire a Colombian attorney to help decide the type of VISA you want. Then you get your documentation in order and call the nearest embassy in the US for an appointment. If you have everything together, they issue the VISA while you are there. When you first enter Colombia with your new VISA, you must go to the local DAS office within 10 or so days to register the VISA and get your cedula. You must get your initial VISA outside of Colombia.

I have a Rentista VISA. It is good for one year and can be renewed in Bogota or at a US Embassy. I needed a letter from my bank saying that I have more than US$24,000 in an account. This letter must be notarized. Then the notary must be apostilled. Then these documents must be officially translated into Spanish. I brought these documents along with 2 originals of the application and 3 passport photos. Make goddamn certain that you have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed or you will not get the VISA.

Texas Slim
09-22-06, 17:54
KB - I don't currently have PM rights as I need to renew my membership here. I should be up and running with PM shortly and I will send you my contact info.

EK - you can bring whoever you like. It is a privately owned residence. I just need to inforn the guys at the gate who will be staying in the unit and what the skinny is. They are very cool. Nobody looking down their noses here. I'm 15 years older than my novia here and nobody thinks any different. If I were a playboy bringing in new girls every week, it would be no different.

Tom - I'm a little confused. First off, I have already spoken with an attorney who is willing to help to the tune of $500 Americano. I thought this was a bit much. I put him on hold for now.

* If I need to obtain my first VISA outside of Colombia (ie. USA), then why would I hire a Colombian attorney? Isn't he going to be working with the consulate HERE in Colombia. There is a Colombian Embassy in Houston I could visit when I get back to the states. Is this process difficult to do yourself? I like the idea of getting some help as I am kinda lazy when it comes to this type of mindnumbing, beauracratic two step - but is $500 warranted for the process to get some legal help?

Thanks to all for the responses and input.

Dollar Bill
09-22-06, 19:43
U.S. warns of possible bombings in Colombia

POSTED: 1550 GMT (2350 HKT), September 22, 2006 (on CNN.com)


BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- The U.S. Embassy in Colombia has told its staff to stay away from upscale shopping malls and restaurants in the capital, saying it has information that leftist rebels are planning a possible bomb attack.
In an e-mail sent to embassy employees Thursday, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, the U.S. Regional Security Office said that "all personnel are prohibited from frequenting all shopping malls and their immediate surrounding areas" in northern Bogota until October 1.

Talk of the embassy ban dominated radio airwaves as Colombians voiced dismay that U.S. authorities apparently had kept them in the dark about the supposed threat.

The e-mail said the warning was based on intelligence obtained from Colombian authorities.

But Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos denied that Colombian authorities were the source of information about the possible threat from rebels from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.
"I don't know where they got this information," Santos told Caracol Radio on Friday. "We've done a thorough sweep of our intelligence services and can confirm it wasn't us."

U.S. Embassy officials were not immediately available for comment. A spokesman said they were meeting with Colombian defense officials.
One of the "no-go" areas mentioned in the e-mail, a dining district popular with Americans and well-heeled Colombians known as the Pink Zone, has been targeted previously.
In 2003, rebels attacked two bars in the area with grenades, killing a Colombian woman and injuring more than 70 people, including five Americans.

But since then, the capital has been largely insulated from deadly violence stemming from a half-century of civil conflict -- a calm that many attribute to law-and-order President Alvaro Uribe's policy of beefing up the military's presence in urban areas.
With more than 500 employees, the U.S. Embassy in Bogota is the headquarters for the multibillion-dollar anti-drug military strategy known as Plan Colombia.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

---

Just to let any mongers in Colombia know the potential risk.

$Bill

Tiofio
09-24-06, 18:11
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/7315

Every new about safety in English is here.

Fliffy
09-25-06, 00:18
Hi All,

New member here but not new to the life. Thanks to all for great info across the many forums here. Great resources like this sure help planning and prep. I and a friend are visiting Colombia for the first time in late Oct and early Nov. Hmmm, I wonder what Halloween is like at Mango's in MDE? Anyway we'll be staying at the Mansion while in MDE and also plan 3-4 days in CTG. I was going over some Spanish language prep with regard to interviewing and negotiating and came up with a question. While I know many Latinas understand English for BJ I still wanted to ask if there is any common Colombian slang that is used for BJ. I'd appreciate any input anyone might have for this word as well as for any other s*x acts.

Thanks! So has anyone been to Mango's for Halloween?

Gonzo
09-25-06, 05:25
Hi All,

While I know many Latinas understand English for BJ I still wanted to ask if there is any common Colombian slang that is used for BJ. I'd appreciate any input anyone might have for this word as well as for any other s*x acts. My fave idiom for BJ, stemming from CTG, is "cocoloco", to be distinguished from "cocoliso", which refers to a totally bald guy, or "shiny coconut head". With that in mind, "cocoloco" would loosely transfer to "giving crazy head", since coconuts sorta look like heads, no?

I've used "mama sin condom" which gets the point across, even though not endemic to Colombia.

Tom 33
09-25-06, 12:04
is another way to ask for BBBJ. Por detras might work for anal.

Actually Colombianas are fairly accomodating. BBBJ and DFK are harder to find in MDE and easier in CTG. Anal is hit or miss. Most do not swallow but don't mind spitting-leche en boca.

Halloween is big in Colombia. I've never been to Mango's for Halloween, but I'm sure they do it up right. LDV in CTG has costume contests.

VipMedellin
09-25-06, 21:28
TEXAS SLIM:

I have an English - Spanish institute so therefore I can obtain student visas for all americans.

The visa procedure takes about ten days and the cost is 350.00 you also get a cedula de extrajeria which is a colombian I.D.

If you have any other questions please let me know it is a very easy process in which I and my staff will walk you through it.

Sincerely,

Albert Licht

Texas Slim
09-26-06, 00:08
Albert,

Give me your contact information (phone numbers) and I will contact you for an appointment. I believe I am right around the corner (or a block or two away) from The VIP.


TEXAS SLIM:

I have an English - Spanish institute so therefore I can obtain student visas for all americans.

The visa procedure takes about ten days and the cost is 350.00 you also get a cedula de extrajeria which is a colombian I.D.

If you have any other questions please let me know it is a very easy process in which I and my staff will walk you through it.

Sincerely,

Albert Licht

VipMedellin
09-26-06, 02:53
My Cel Number Is 3102901719 And My Office Number Is 3137009 Call Me Or Leave Me Your Cel Number And I Will Contact You.

Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

Enigma84
10-04-06, 22:49
Hi all,

Do you think these pick up artist sites could help a man out with their game when hitting on non-pros. Like I said in the barranquilla section I have terrible game here in this country and the women here are just cold. Hopefully Colombians are friendlier.

Anyway here are the sites mysterymthod.com and doubleyourdating.com.

Ricker
10-06-06, 02:19
Colombia is a different universe when it comes to friendly women.

Just be nice .... funny ... friendly ... and don't be shy.

Have fun!

Scooby1
10-06-06, 02:35
And try to learn at least rudamentary Spanish.

Chivas 1
10-07-06, 08:22
Play No Games, I have tentative plans to be in the P.I from November 15th through the 26th so maybe we can have some San Miguels there if these dates corralate to any of yours and of course they will be on me. :) My friend and I been mongering there for years, and we both stay at the Dusit Nikko Hotel in Makati which is a beautiful hotel and close to the action. If you have any questions feel free to ask me and I will do my best to help you make your stay a great one. Another good source for info on the P.I is Surfer, and he actually just got back from there. As far as NewYears in Colombia I cannot tell you what the best city to go to is because I have never been there during those times, but this board has some great members who are very helpful and I am sure they will help you in your decison.

Good luck to you.

Texas Slim
10-07-06, 17:28
Since I had a good initial meeting with Albert, I decided to post some feedback. I called Albert yesterday and we agreed to meet at the DHL building at 1:00 p.m. as I have been living in MDE for approximately 6 months and need a VISA & cedula. Albert showed up right on the button and picked me up to transport me back to the VIP. We arrived at a gated entrance just a block or two off of Avenida Poblado on Calle 21. Very secure and had a man working the entrance. As a matter of fact, you could not even see the house or property until the gate opened allowing for access. Very nice place. Awesome stone paved driveway. Alot of work went into this place at some point in time. There were about a half dozen or so guys hanging around, working on their laptops, etc. We went into Albert's office and he handed me a list of items that would be needed for the two documents. Very organized and very professional. He also agreed to allow me to pay 1/2 now and 1/2 upon issuance of the documents. I will be back on Monday to execute my power of atty and deliver 1/2 of the fee. EZ PZ. We also discussed investors VISA's and the purchase of property. There are definite paths to take when executing ALL of these decisions and Albert seems very versed in the process(es). After 15 minutes or so of discussions, I was walked back out to the gate and a polite gentleman who worked for the VIP assisted me in hailing a taxista. I will report back upon receipt of my new documents. So far, I would highly recommend Albert in this area as you can probably cut somje corners and save a little money, but I prefer the quick and efficient paths to getting things done. Certain things are always worth the money paid, especially good service in Colombia.

Ricker
10-07-06, 20:25
Hey PLAY NO GAMES .....

Funny thing ... I went to that website you posted ... all colombian women ...
and on page nmbr 4 of the chicas profiles, I found an ex-girlfriend of mine ... Kelly Viviana #409.

She was 18 a few years ago ... so she's really prob 21 or 22 now.

Cracks me up. I met her thru a friend back then.

Taker easy.

Ricker
10-07-06, 22:13
Amigo ... PNGames ...

Around that time frame ... end of Dec ... Cali will be in their Ferria or carnival time. Lots of fun ... but on the 31st and on for a week things are pretty dead.

I imagine most cities are more or less the same at the beg of Jan time frame ... chicas on vacation to see family.

I don't like those marriage agency sites ... I would rather meet chicas on Amigos.com or Latincupido.com ... I really don't even do that anymore.
You could try it though ... maybe pay for a few of the e-mail addresses ... see what happens ... remember those hot chicas prob get bunch of emails.

Go to Cartagena, Medellin or Cali and just talk with every hot chica you see ... be funny ... make them laugh ... it's so much more excepted there than in the USA.
Get invited to a party and you'll meet muchas chicas lindas in whatever city in Colombia.

If you're good at talking and making chicas laugh ... you'll make many friends in person.
I'm just another geek but I have this "locura" about my personality that make chicas dig me ... except that most gringas really don't like me ... big deal :)


Suerte amigo!

Ricker
10-08-06, 14:57
Hey Play No Games ... yes, of course Bogota is nice too ... it's just not one of my regular hangouts.

I'll tell you what ... If you're a first timer to Colombia ... you said you don't like the atmosphere of the Med. Mansion type places already ... but you should really think of a stay at the Medellin Castillo ... ask for Robert.

Much more tranquilo there, plus you can always walk down to the Mansion if ya get the urge to check out the party.

The big plus is ... Robert and his staff pointing you in the right direction in Medellin.
I'm sure they will have nice parties / celebrations in December holiday time too.
I may even be there with my girlfriend at that time ... it's nice in December.

You can waste time trying to figure out a city if you're new to it ... these guys can really help you out BIG TIME! And you don't have to hang with all the guys at the Mansion.
You'll prob even meet a guy or 2 who you do mesh with and like to hang with chasing chicas.

Just advice ... I think it would be wise.

Suerte amigo! ...... I'm off to Cali for a few nights :)

Enigma84
10-08-06, 19:51
I just got permission from my boss to take 1 and1/2 weeks off. I gave him some awful excuse to get away. I will be going to BAQ and Cali. I want to see if I can snatch a few non-pros whilst I'm there. I also heard there are nice pro destinations in both places. Just as I was making preparations there was a question at the back of my mind. How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip?

Dr Balling
10-09-06, 11:20
I just got permission from my boss to take 1 and1/2 weeks off. I gave him some awful excuse to get away. I will be going to BAQ and Cali. I want to see if I can snatch a few non-pros whilst I'm there. I also heard there are nice pro destinations in both places. Just as I was making preparations there was a question at the back of my mind. How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip? Enigma,

I don't think that you will find race as an issue in Columbia. I am an african american and I was in Bogota about 4 weeks ago. I am not a Mr. Know-It-All of Columbia, but during my 7 day stay, I have met so many good people there. I felt like they did not see one's skin complexion. Its not everyday they see someone who is an American and has so much more than them. I am only speaking of the hard working citizens and not the pros. If you're looking for non pros, the situation is very promising. It all depends on the lady and the time you may have to put in. 2 hours to 2 or 3 days. Enigma, please stay pleasant and humble and you will be fine. I have plans to return for November for 3 weeks, but I may go back to Quito, Equador.

Good luck to you.

Dr Balling

Hoof Hunter
10-10-06, 03:37
Just go. No worries along that line with non-pro chicas, definitely not with pro chicas. Just get your Spanish game together. Your color will be one of the last things you'll need to worry about.

You might wanna get on amigos.com or cybercupido.com and line some chicas up as well. Great to have local chicas to show you around, if nothing else is popping off. Get ready to get your dance on, in both places.


I just got permission from my boss to take 1 and1/2 weeks off. I gave him some awful excuse to get away. I will be going to BAQ and Cali. I want to see if I can snatch a few non-pros whilst I'm there. I also heard there are nice pro destinations in both places. Just as I was making preparations there was a question at the back of my mind. How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip?

Almotu
10-10-06, 17:36
I posted in the opinions on American Women thread (which don't frequent) but this shit is why we do what we do . . .

http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1544459,00.html

Scooby1
10-11-06, 02:06
Dang what a witch the she should get a foot in her ass (as Red says on That 70's show) thats all she deserves.

Npaul1
10-13-06, 01:16
Does anyone know how to get into Cartagena without using a passport?

Can you get in with a D.L. and US Birth Certificate

I would like to go again, but my lawyer recommended i not go because of possible arrest for possible paternity action/non-support. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I had alot of fun fucking the girls over the years in Cartagena. Unfortunately a girl from Med. says I knocked her up and is trying to get money from me (this was after she had a negative preg test and a period when with me) She had my passport number and my attorney says her attorney may have filed criminal charges against me for non-support.

Anybody got an extra passport? Or a country that will issue a new one for me? thanks.

Sailor2006
10-13-06, 04:16
I poped my first vigra yesterday. I was at false dos, intresting results not what I expected at first. I would use it again.

Lima Busy
10-13-06, 11:30
Does anyone know how to get into Cartagena without using a passport?

Can you get in with a D.L. and US Birth Certificate

I would like to go again, but my lawyer recommended i not go because of possible arrest for possible paternity action/non-support. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I had alot of fun fucking the girls over the years in Cartagena. Unfortunately a girl from Med. says I knocked her up and is trying to get money from me (this was after she had a negative preg test and a period when with me) She had my passport number and my attorney says her attorney may have filed criminal charges against me for non-support.

Anybody got an extra passport? Or a country that will issue a new one for me? thanks.

A better idea is to face this head on and get a DNA test done in the states. Stranger things have happened and on the off chance this is your child, you certainly would want to help support him/her. This happened to a buddy of mine in Peru with a girl he had sex with once while on a weeks vacation. Four years later he sold everything in LA and moved to Lima to try and get custody! I also had a son here in Lima when I was 52 and it is one of the best things that ever happened to me.

I do not know any man that could go thru life with that unanswered question on his mind!

LB

Npaul1
10-13-06, 14:46
Thanks for your comments, Lima. It has been troubling, dealing with this issue, but there really is nothing I can do at this point. The woman has caller ID and does not answer my calls, only communicated thru a lawyer. All I can do is wait until November when the child is supposedly due, and see if I hear from them again. Of course they want money, a house, blah blah blah.

My Colombian lawyer has said not to return to Colombia. I have no way to go back thru customs to court to contest the matter or I could be thrown in a Colombian jail if she filed a criminal complaint for non-support, he said. Of course how do you get a DNA test if the woman is not cooperative also?

I am not too concerned about support for the child, if it is mine, in the 2 years I had known her, I had set up a business down there and planned on being with the woman permanently, that is what hurt very much, and she stole the business from me as well. I know everyone says don't let her put the business in her name, but we all do stupid things in life, and this was not my worst nor largest financial mistake.

Warning another ISG brother not to do the same probably would not help, we all have to make our mistakes ourselves and think we are superhuman enough not to have these problems!

MJG Dogs
10-13-06, 15:51
Great reply Lima Busy-

You have to take responsibilty for your actions and you run the risk when you play uncovered.

N Paul- your passport number changes upon the issuance of a new passport. The question that you have to find out is if the Colombian records will show your old number, chances are they will be able to refernce your old number.

Sorry you have to have a valid passport to enter Colombia, A driver's license, Birth Certificate, or library card, will not cut it........

Ricker
10-13-06, 17:17
Npaul .. why not have your lawyer, or you yourself check w DAS to see if there are warrants. If this woman is deceiving you, thru your lawyer and officials, you can have this proven ... perhaps w/out ever entering Colombia. Suerte amigo.

Jchipper
10-13-06, 18:17
Sounds too bad to be True, Probably is. With a Good Lawyer check DAS records as suggested. It is highly unlikely. The court system in Colombia has been really slow to process request of this nature and to believe it has gotten to Warrant stage. More unlikely. There have been numerous Scams played on Men like you that have a moral base decision system, they use it against Americans in general. We are way too nice when it comes to feelings of others. Stand up and face it head on , get proactive and expose the scam! If more people would fight this shit here in Colombia it would be less of a Problem, kinda like Lawsuits in the USA, Out of Fucn Control! But if the Child is you'res ,Do the Right thing, its you're flesh and Blood and sounds like he may need help with a Bad Mom.

Chipper

Npaul1
10-13-06, 19:49
Ricker,

I asked my lawyer to check to see if any warrant, he said only I could check as I went thru customs, and then it might be to late. Of course a criminal complaint for non-support could be filed at any date, unknown to me.

I emailed DAS, but no response. Would they want me to know and be forewarned so I could avoid their legal processes? Probably DAS would prefer I enter and be arrested.

Thanks for the ideas, guys, until then it is DR and maybe Equador!

NPaul1

Member #4351
10-13-06, 23:59
Non-support??? If the kid hasn´t been born yet, I don´t think that they would have much of a case at this time.

Dodger Bulldog
10-14-06, 00:29
I can't think of a better reason to get a vasectomy. I have been accused twice since I had mine done (and then had the doctor test for sperm count to make sure it worked).

I just laughed my ass off at them!

DB

Surfer
10-14-06, 01:22
Npaul: IMHO you will NOT be detained by DAS upon entering the country. As David mentioned, until the baby is born there is no legal duty of support.

Go there, see if you can suss out if it is REALLY yours. Not sure if a prenatal DNA test is viable, but certainly upon birth the child's blood type will be recorded (which MAY eliminate you from paternity).

If the child is yours, you have a SERIOUS problem. If the child is proven to be not yours, tell her to quit making false accusations and remind her how cheap it is to hire sicarios (assasins) in Medellin.

Not that I advocate it, but it is possible to enter Colombia with no documentation. You can hike across the Darien Gap from Southern Panama or you can catch a boat from Esmeraldas province in Northern Ecuador.
You can also bribe the border guards near Maceio (Venezuelan border), or fly to Tabatinga, Brasil, then cross the undefended border into Leiticia in Amazonas Department. Trying to sneak across the land border in the South would be suicidal due to HEAVY FARC and para presence, LOTS of basuco labs, BLACKHAWK helicopters and elite anti terrorist police etc etc etc).

Enigma: If I were you, I would bail on Colombia and go to Japan where brothers score the hottest non pros at pickup places like Gas Panic in Roppongi or Club Underground in Iwakuni. Japan is the only country I have been to where being Caucasian is a disadvantage for scoring non pros (well with some chicks in the US too, but they do not interest me much at all any more)


Racism is alive and well in Colombia, I assure you. This is particularly true among the Paisa who subscribe to the notion that the whiter the skin, the higher the class. Same idea as in Mexico. If you insist on Latinas, go to Brazil

Npaul1
10-14-06, 05:19
I was married to the woman, but got an anulment here in the US when she started talking about wanting a divorce. She and her attorney started and apparently still have a divorce action going on in Colombia, that is why she could still be claiming spousal support and later child support. Also, there is a presumption of paternity in Colombia if you are married to someone. They are using that divorce action down in Colombia to claim I am the father, despite her admitting to me that she had a period and a negative preg test after I had been with her last.

Best solution, according to my attorney, is to forget about her, though I spent 2 exciting years with her and still am emphatuated with her. It will take some time to forget about her, but she was not truly in love with me, only with my wallet.

If they try to come after me in the US, for paternity and child support, I understand that Colombia and US are not cooperating countries for enforcing child support, like UK and other countries. I probably would ignore any Colombian judgment of paternity since I know she is a gold digger, thief of my business, lier and probably was pregnant by some Colombian when I was back in the US.

I have already consulted a US attorney her and have engaged in asset protection, so there will be nothing for them to attach lien (real or not) to here in the US.

hopefully some of you gents will learn from this, I am not an advocate of vascetomy if you want to have kids later, I had hope for a good life with her but I was just duped and used by this Colombian girl Big time.

Ray X
11-02-06, 15:58
I'm going to be in CTG for about a week with a few friends sometime in mid November. Just wanted to know if any one can recommend of any clubs, restaurants, shopping areas and of course mongering spots.

How is the CTG airport, will we be searched and questioned and will the taxi drivers try to grab our bags before we even set foot outside of the airport.

Any information about CTG would be greatly appreciated, and can I bring back to the states large amounts of coffee with me on the plane.

Thanks!

Tom 33
11-03-06, 00:22
Try reading the forum.

You can probably bring a lot of coffee back with you, but I wouldn't do it. You can buy Colombian coffee on E-Bay and have it shipped to your door. They also tend to scrutinize coffee because it can kill drug odors.

You will be searched but probably not questioned at the airport. The taxi drivers won't be grabbing your bags, but friendly helpers will. Those helpers then expect a tip for putting your bags in the trunk. I suggest that you decline all offers of help and walk up to a taxi on your own. The driver can put your bags in the trunk.

MJG Dogs
11-03-06, 01:18
Actually Tom, in late August when I left CTG, my bags were searched inside and out and x-rayed. I look like an ex-military, not a treehugger, but they checked everything. A few general questions. I alos noticed that the gear of the military at the airport had US stamped on it. When I asked one of the guys , he said it was gear that was given to the colombain government as part of "Plan Colombia". It looked exactly like Army-Navy surplus store gear.

It made me wonder what type of gear our boys have in Iraq and Afghanistan, and jesus after 11/7, it could get much worse. The thought of the cake and croissant party running all three branches makes me wake up in a cold sweat.

Politics aside, I worry about those kids over there, we certainly do a shitty job supporting them, especially the politicians of both parties, led by Lurch of Mass.

Dodger Bulldog
11-03-06, 04:44
Any information about CTG would be greatly appreciated, and can I bring back to the states large amounts of coffee with me on the plane.
Twice I have brought back 20 pounds of coffee from Colombia without any problem.

You don't want to put it in your checked luggage, as I was told they might just slit the bag and let the beans spill out to check for drugs. They aren't going to bother to put it back, so you would be out.

Just put it in your carry on and show them the receipt to prove that it was a legitimate purchase.

The security guy asked why I bought so much. When I told him the price in the U.S., he just nodded and smiled.

DB

Ray X
11-03-06, 05:53
Dodger Bulldog & Tom 33,

Thanks for the info regarding the coffee, but as for personal safety in CTG how safe is it to go out to restaurants, shopping, clubs and mongering. Anything that we should be aware of or try to avoid would be helpful to know aswell. We're just going down there to have a good time without getting into bad situations or having problems.

Thanks again!

Zidaho
11-03-06, 08:18
I have a dirty white boy suprise for the next Cartegena baggage inspector who plays like he is sniffing my shit.

And yes you are right about splitting bags open, I am going to bring lots of extra zip lock bags because they sliced through at least a dozen of my highly organized bags and releasing the contents on common tables in plain view of taxi drivers, passengers, families, etc. In all candor I was in a state of shock at the time!! Several of the bags were just ripped open.

The way they pretended to snif my shit, what BS . . . but if they want to play dirty I can too . . . I am going to plant several choice frothy loads in various discretely placed spots and hopefully I can get some pictures of them passing my sex toys around amongst themselves, holding them up, pointing at them and amusing themselves in front of me and the public. Those Cartegena inspectors really know how to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) a dirty white boy off. Ha, ha.

MJG Dogs
11-03-06, 08:31
real smart zidaho. Cartagena is not Berkeley or san francisco. You get smug with the Colombian Military and they will drag you outside and beat your ass. If I were you I would just keep my mouth shut. There is no branch of the ACLU or American Trial Lawyers Associations for you to complain to.

Dodger Bulldog has the right idea- show a receipt explain why, be polite. No problem.

Pana Nyc
11-03-06, 08:35
How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip?
Dont worry about anything, as long as pockets are filled with GREEN US DOLLARS you should have no problem in Colombia. Im a Moreno Panamenian and I have slayed many hoes in Panama from Colombia around the BAQ, CALI, MED area and had no problems they where feeling me and my dollars bigtime. I plan on making a trip to Colombia 2007 it will be interesting to see how Colombians will react to me once Im on their turf now, since they are treated like shit in Panama but not by me but my fellow countrymen, but I have money so who gives a fuck what they think about me!!!!

Zidaho
11-03-06, 08:37
It still ticks me off!

Tom 33
11-03-06, 12:58
Dodger Bulldog & Tom 33,

Thanks for the info regarding the coffee, but as for personal safety in CTG how safe is it to go out to restaurants, shopping, clubs and mongering. Anything that we should be aware of or try to avoid would be helpful to know aswell. We're just going down there to have a good time without getting into bad situations or having problems.

Thanks again!

If you stay in the tourist zone, you can freely walk alone 24/7. However, don't get drunk, wear fancy jewelry, or flash cash.

Dogs, for some reason you are always more thoroughly searched when you leave the country. Count on it.

Surfer
11-03-06, 18:17
Dogs: Take the rightwing political rhetoric elsewhere please. It is a violation of forum rules and will only get the thread off topic when the 60% of Americans who do not approve of the job your side is doing respond. Express your views in the voting booth next Tuesday why don't you (polls indicate your side needs every vote it can get LOL!).

Z: NEVER fuck with customs IN ANY COUNTRY. They have all the power, you have none. Not all smugglers look like "tree hugers"; many look like rednecks or ex military (some are CURRENT military attached to Plan Colombia-does anybody read the news?).

They have always been polite to me (though I have never taken international flight through Cartagena). I have brought coffee back (for friends as I have never touched the stuff in my life) several times without incident. Once leaving from BOG I had several packages in my carry on and they guy slit one of the packages with a box cutter, sniffed it, then carefully taped over the slit and repacked it. Being courteous works wonders with customs and police the World over; giving them attitude will get it back in spades. Just smile and be polite.

Zidaho
11-03-06, 18:32
I think it was the fact they made a public display of all my toys which irked me. Oh well, I'll just smear a load on the vibrator before I pack this time, maybe that will scare them away. At least it will make me feel better!!

What are they looking for coming IN to Colombia anyway . . . large sums of cash??

El Cubanito
11-03-06, 21:37
Need help to see which city is best for me to go to Colombia for a week. I have read Cali, Catargena, Medellin and Bogota site. But all of these cities seem to be pretty good for the P4P scene.

I have read thought that some Colombiana would not want to hang with you fif they knew you were only staying for 7 days. So I just stay at Aussie Greg or VIP since this is my first time to Colombia?

Please guys give me recomendations.

El Cubanito

PS Yo hablo Espanol muy bien amigos.

MJG Dogs
11-04-06, 04:17
medellin- stay at VIP
or
Cartagena- rent an apartment from Mery or Juan ventura

Bogota and cali- Nope, not for first timers.....

MJG Dogs
11-04-06, 04:27
I think it was the fact they made a public display of all my toys which irked me. Oh well, I'll just smear a load on the vibrator before I pack this time, maybe that will scare them away. At least it will make me feel better!!

What are they looking for coming IN to Colombia anyway . . . large sums of cash??

Zidaho- you are correct about incoming. Large amounts of cash be a red flag.
You do need to follow the advice of Lawyer Surfer regarding fucking
with customs.

Surfer-Relax, I knew I would get your goat. I knew I would draw you out.
where have you been? How is life in Bahgdad by the bay? Don't fret.
I really could care less about Tuesday. They are all the same. Now 2008
is a different story.....

Surfer
11-04-06, 05:28
Colombia is unusual in that it is the only country I know where foreign tourists are just as subject to search as locals (most countries they search the locals looking for electronics and jewelry and valuables not declared). I hear Cuban customs can also be like that but they are looking more for gifts or subversive materials etc. Money laundering is clearly one of the primary concerns in Colombia (the DIAN folks at the airport are the money police).

What is really odd is that it is only at Cartagena and Medellin that it seems to happen. Never had an issue at Cali or Bogota, the primary entry points I used (though I have flown AA from MIA into Rio Negro/MED 3 or 4 times) .

Biffy
11-04-06, 13:01
All my luggage was thoroughly searched going into and out of both CTG and BAQ.

BAQ was worse with a moving line searched no fewer than 4 times, by different people, "those are the airport security, next its the customs, then army etc etc". All were polite and I have nothing to worry about (except maybe bad taste in clothing...).

It does add considerably to the time you have to spend in the airport before returning whereever you are going.

Worth it for the pussy though.

Furiouz
11-06-06, 21:24
What is going on folks. Giving up the rat race for the next few years to travel the world while I'm young, healthy and good looking. I am really interested in learning the history of Colombia, exploring it's cities and culture and learning Spanish. SO a few questions for the ex-pats and Colombian locals. I would like to teach English and learn Spanish, are there many jobs available for teaching English? Where do I start? Are there many jobs for room and board? Which is the best city to start looking for work? I would only come to Colombia with about 2500-3000 USD or so. Hopefully I can secure a room or small studio for a few months whilst looking for work.
If anyone wants to put up a hard worker for room and board in COlombia, please contact me.
I hope this post does not violate board policy.

Cheers.

My name is Malvin, and I approve this message.

Sniper Mike
11-07-06, 01:56
I think if you are only bringing a few thousand dollars, you are going to have to get a job asap.

Problem is that getting a job isn't that easy unless you have qualifications. To teach English, you will need a TEFL or CELTA certificate. You can pay for the classes, but there goes your money. If you want to do something else, you will need qualifications as well.

You can easily rent for $400 a month for a decent small apartment. But with your budget, I would not look to Monger very long. At $30 USD a pop (basically), you need free pussy.

Problem is that free pussy isn't really free. You are going to have to pay for some dates for a non-pro.

So my point is, you need to figure out a way to generate income.

Lastly, you need a Visa to stay past 6 months. Do you have a plan for that? An employer may sponsor you, but again you will need to be qualified.

So not to put a damper on your situation, but unless you plan for employment ahead of time, you are in trouble.

Now if you said you had $20K or $30K, that might be a different story.

Good luck, I hope it works out for you.

Cyberdas
11-07-06, 20:29
Here's the link to the TEFL website:

http://www.tefl.com/

It seems to be loaded with a lot of usefull and resorcefull information. BTW, I'm also looking into relocating to Colombia for a while with only a few grand in savings. IMHO, as long as you keep your costs of living down while finding a way of generating some sort of income, one should be able to survive for the short-term (at the very least).

Coming accross some "free" / non-p4p pussy SHOULD not be nearly as impossibly hard as it is in SEX PRISON USA. Who knows, maybe you can even hook-up with a good local chica who will in turn help you out and be by your side. Who knows? It might well be worth a try. That or sit around waiting to marry an AW who, as has been exhaustively discussed in this forum (and many others as well), most likely will turn you into a wage slave and gradually cease to provide in any terms of love, affection, sex, consideration etc.......

The question for me boils down to: Do I want to risk living the rest of my life with perhaps some form of decent living standards (with the way things have been going, the possibility of this becoming harder are increasingly high) and living miserably with very little or no play. Or would I want to live with the risks associated with living abroad and thus being subjected to all the elements that come with the territories (so to speak) and perhaps, find myself living happier and God knows, even healthier and merrier???? I don't know but I sure as hell want to give it a try. Just my two cents worth. Peace!!!

Furiouz
11-08-06, 20:12
Thanks for the responses, guys. I found a company that subsidizes TEFL training in a variety of cities worldwide. You have to teach for them for a year, and there are no locations in South America at all. Ah, well, beggars can't be chosers and I wish to experiance more than just a 50 hour work week in this short life.
Regarding mongering...I really have zero trouble attracting women, even in this hell hole of a place called Los Angeles. This has GOT to be the Worst city in the US to date. Too many princesses, not enough real girls. But yet, I find beautiful, quality women to hook up with...they are just not from LA. LoL. I have enough looks and brains to attract most women, I am confident I will meet a few willing tour guides that want to wrap their legs around a well built young brotha.

Cheers again for the advice.


PS- Cyberdas...go for it, my friend. Life is too short and the world is large.

Cyberdas
11-10-06, 21:14
Amen to what you said, Furiouz; no doubt there buddy!!

I also live in this hell hole of a place called Los Angeles where all the women (even the porkers and the bfu's) have this PRINCESS complex. It's got to be tied with with NYC in terms of dating and meeting real girls. Add to that the deep-running racial tensions that exists in this lock-up block of SEX PRISON USA and you get the recipe for the blues - for a lifetime, too!!!!

Would you be able to provide me with the company who subsidizes TEFL training? I don't really care if the cities available are not in South America. I just need to get the h*** out of here before I go nuttier than I already am.

Peace!!

Zidaho
11-11-06, 07:31
WHo would I contact about renting some lighting photograpy equipment?? Not that I am a porn star but I definitly wanna to be!! Actually I am mostly doing this for the love of the craft. Thank you in advance.

Jon32
11-19-06, 14:15
Hey guys, wondering if anyone has been to the Medellin casinos. I saw on casinocity.com that the only one that has poker is caribe?

If anyone has been to this one, would you know if they have high stakes no limit?

I tried sending them an email, but the link doesnt work,any help would be great thanks.

Dickfer
12-14-06, 15:42
Anyone know of reliable internet site in Colombia where I can order gifts to a Colombian address? A company who also has physical presence so that the chica can exchange the merchandise would be a plus.

Thanks!

MiamiHeatLuver
12-14-06, 15:54
Anyone know of reliable internet site in Colombia where I can order gifts to a Colombian address? A company who also has physical presence so that the chica can exchange the merchandise would be a plus.

Thanks!

I use this company to send gifts to the novia, everything comes a described and is good quality, I dont know about exchanges though! www.1vende.com Peace "Chino"

Tom 33
12-14-06, 16:01
Anyone know of reliable internet site in Colombia where I can order gifts to a Colombian address? A company who also has physical presence so that the chica can exchange the merchandise would be a plus.

Thanks!

Try http://www.virtualexito.com/. Exito is the Wal Mart of Colombia. I ordered a TV set and it was delivered to my living room in CTG in 3 days.

MiamiHeatLuver
12-14-06, 16:38
Try http://www.virtualexito.com/. Exito is the Wal Mart of Colombia. I ordered a TV set and it was delivered to my living room in CTG in 3 days.

Exito delivers?? But do they charge? What is the minimum, i wonder? I dont think there gonna deliver, flowers, candy, and stuffed animals though! lol. In Colombia some things are really cheap while other things are unbeleiveably expensive! Id rather go to BRANDSMART and bring electronics with me, because name brand electronics, not that "Made in China" crap, are like double or triple rates in COLOMBIA, Kinda like cell phone minutes! lol Peace "Chino"

Tom 33
12-14-06, 19:05
Exito delivers?? But do they charge? What is the minimum, i wonder? I dont think there gonna deliver, flowers, candy, and stuffed animals though! lol. In Colombia some things are really cheap while other things are unbeleiveably expensive! Id rather go to BRANDSMART and bring electronics with me, because name brand electronics, not that "Made in China" crap, are like double or triple rates in COLOMBIA, Kinda like cell phone minutes! lol Peace "Chino"

Exito charged me 20K to deliver the TV, and that was before they had a store in CTG. Then the closest store was in BAQ. I don't know about flowers and candy. Check the website.

Kdogg21
12-28-06, 00:55
Could someone please tell me what Colombia is like around Easter for chicas. Are there amny around? Do the cities shut down? Most of my experience is in countries like the Dr where they shut everything down over the Good Friday Easter weekend. I am thinking of going but don't want to be there with nothing to do.

Thanks.

IamLookin
12-28-06, 12:03
I have made a number of trips ( 2 in July and 1 in mid November ) and now planning to go again in mid to late January. Last time I went, immigration asked me alot of questions on what I was doing there becasue I usually stay for a short time ( 4 days ). I told them I have a girlfriend but I was a bit uncomfortable with the grilling i took from them. I always say I have a gf , which is partially true. The first two times, I had separate novias and the third was strictly mongering. Now the 4th I plan to be a combination of both. ( different novia each time I went ). Should I be concerned with immigration?

thanks

Hunter
12-28-06, 12:12
Things are quieter in Easter in general, but most bars etc will still be open.

Cartagena is quite full of Colombian tourists in Easter, but not overly full like Miss Colombia or Christmas/New Year.

Hunter

Bango Cheito
01-05-07, 06:27
Excellent point Cubanut; Colombianas do not get wide and sloppy like gringas after popping one out of the oven. Some possible reasons why?

1. No family leave act- Colombianas have to get back off of their asses, where
as gringas get paid for 3-6 months by their employers- so the gringas sit
around and watch The View and Oprah, and eat doritos...

2. Colombianas walk more- gringas get into their SUV's to go around the corner
to go to the store

3. Colombianas do more manual labor around the house, where as the gringa
has her whirlpool duet washer and dryer, Convection microwave and
robotic vacuum cleaner, or she has the illegal nanny named Lucia with
the Gold and Cement filled front teeth do the laundry, vaccum, dust etc...
meanwhile fat gringa is back on the couch watched even fatter Rosie
O'donnell on the view.

4. Colombiana is horny and likes sex, wants to please her man, thus the extra water weight gets burned off fast, where as the gringa loves her TV shows,
talks on the cellphone with her yenta and gringa friends and the bitches at
her husband whom has worked 10-12 hours a day. Tonight she is bitching about the kitchen cabinets needing to be replaced, she wants the ones she saw on the Home Improvement channel that run about $10,000. Husband is tired and wants to relax , gringa gets pissed off becuase hubby says "what is wrong with the existing cabinets?", gringa says no sex, no blowjob etc....
Gringo says fuck it and falls asleep, gringa raids the refrigerator for a bowl of Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey or eats a PayDay bar.

You get the picture......


Total bullshit. It is very common for Colombian families Estrato 3 and up to have a full-time maid, sometimes even a live-in. Only the poorest 1/3 of Colombians ever wash dishes or clean up after themselves. And EVERY living unit in Colombia has a washer hook-up, I've never even heard of a place there that doesn't have one, aside from places that actually don't even have water.

Colombians actually have MORE family leave by law than Americans do. Federally we only get 12 weeks BENEFITS, not even necessarily any pay.

The real reason is that the food supply in the USA/Canada is severely compromised whereas down there they eat much better quality fresher food.

And last but not least, don't forget the availability of good and cheap SURGERY.

Those are the real reasons!

George90
01-05-07, 10:52
I agree with Bango. Colombian women are *generally* less over weight than AWs mainly due to the better diet. Just go to your local grocery store and see how much the fresh fruits and vegetables, the fruit juices, and milk cost. Then go to the section for soft drink, candy, and potato chips and look at their prices.

When in Colombia, do the same thing. What I found is that chips and candy are WAY more expensive. Fresh fruit and fresh vegetables are WAY cheaper. AND there is a much greater variety of fruits and vegetables. The meat as well is less fatty and has WAY fewer hormones and drugs designed to make the cows grow faster. Food is just healthier there and with fewer calories and easier to digest.

Cars are also more expensive, so fewer drive them. People walk more. When I travel there, I eat more, I walk more, and I lose weight!

Eaglestar
01-06-07, 09:37
Be careful when entering the US of A with your laptop

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/24/business/laptop.php

Sylvester
01-07-07, 18:21
What are they looking for coming IN to Colombia anyway . . . large sums of cash??They are looking for firearms.

Sun Devil
01-12-07, 22:43
I am planning to go to Cartagena next month but all the cheaper tickets tend to have an overnight layover in Bogota. I was planning to stay overnight in San Jose, CR, like I ususlly do, but all the Copa flights the next day cost as much as my round trip ticket from PHX to CTG.

Has anyone done this? If so, can I pick up my all of my luggages and go to a hotel room and come back the next day and recheck them in without any hassle? Or do I have to put all my necessary overnight items, including clothes, in my carry-on because I won't be able to have any access to my check-in bags.

Phoenix Phx
01-13-07, 01:50
I am planning to go to Cartagena next month but all the cheaper tickets tend to have an overnight layover in Bogota. I was planning to stay overnight in San Jose, CR, like I ususlly do, but all the Copa flights the next day cost as much as my round trip ticket from PHX to CTG.

Has anyone done this? If so, can I pick up my all of my luggages and go to a hotel room and come back the next day and recheck them in without any hassle? Or do I have to put all my necessary overnight items, including clothes, in my carry-on because I won't be able to have any access to my check-in bags.I do a layover everytime I go to CTG in BOG. I always just do a a carry on but have shared a taxi with with guys who had checked bags. There is no problem picking up your bags, taking them to a hotel and bringing them back the next day. If you are landing at about 10:00 PM in BOG expect a possible long line though to get through immigration plus the additional security line to get out of the area where bags are picked up.

AddictedToWomen
01-13-07, 02:34
They are looking for firearms.I chatted with the guy who searched me last time I came in and he said he was looking for cash (presumably repatriation of drug money).

Though this time my case just got x-rayed. Go figure.

Mule69
01-13-07, 06:50
I chatted with the guy who searched me last time I came in and he said he was looking for cash (presumably repatriation of drug money).

Though this time my case just got x-rayed. Go figure.
I had a similar experience my first trip to Cartagena.Being the only American on the flight from Panama after I cleared customs I was asked to follow a policeman to a room where I was patted down and they counted my money.Five cops,watched and I had bad thoughts as this was my first time in Colombia! After determining I had less than 10K(much less) I was on my way.

Scooby1
01-13-07, 17:07
Just got this e-mail today some interesting facts if true.


Is Colombia as safe as the U.S.?

Cities in Colombia, the world's biggest cocaine exporter infamous for crimes related to its four-decade-old guerrilla war, have become as safe as those in the United States, according to a poll by a Bogota think tank.

Urban crime has fallen as part of President Alvaro Uribe's popular crackdown on Marxist rebels who still control wide rural areas. He has stepped up patrols to reduced kidnappings on the highways.

From October 2005 through the same month last year, 15 of every 100 Colombians said they had been the victim of some type of crime compared with 17 out of every 100 in the United States, said the poll published on Thursday by the Security and Democracy foundation.

"Colombians have developed sophisticated techniques of survival, such as refusing to give out personal information and women driving with their bags in the trunk of their cars rather than in the passenger seat. This helps," said Pablo Casas, who prepared the poll.

The survey, held in Colombia's six biggest cities, also showed the Andean country compares well with Great Britain, which registers 24 crime victims out of every 100 citizens.

The think tank said the poll is 95.5 percent reliable and more accurate than official figures as many crimes go unreported here.

It did not take into account the thousands who are killed or displaced in the war every year, or the average three Colombians per day who step on land mines.

Despite billions of dollars in U.S. aid aimed in part at fighting Colombia's insurgency, the guerrillas still rule wide swathes of countryside with an iron fist. Their operations are funded by cocaine trade, and to a lesser extent by kidnappings.

The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, dragged four civilians out of their village homes and executed them on January 1 in northern province of Antioquia, local officials said.

"The government has a lot to do before it can claim to have taken control of the whole country," Casas said. "Illegal groups are still fighting for control of rural cocaine-producing land, and that accounts for Colombia's overall high murder rate."

Twenty six Colombians out of every 100,000 are murdered with firearms each year compared to the world average of three to four out of every 100,000, according to the United Nations.

Hope this info is good for all you guys that havent visit Colombia.

Best regards,


George Marson
Love Seekers Latin Dating Service
Email: writeusloveseekers@gmail
Website Temp: latinloveseekers.spaces.live
Medellin, Colombia

Ponderosa
01-14-07, 16:22
Gentlemen,

I am looking to broaden my international travels to Columbia. I am taking my 3rd trip to the DR next month, but have read so much about Columbia that I thought it worth a visit. I am a US resident and speak spanish at a beginner+ level.

I am a punter on a budget, and need to use my airline miles to truly make the trip affordable. I would like to visit Medellin, but my airline only flies into Bogota.

1) What, if any, is the best way to travel from Bogota to Medellin? I have rented a car at other locations, but normally only after the first trip to get a lay of the land.

2) Am I looking at the right city to start my Columbian mongering career, or should I just stay in Bogota or elsewhere?

3) It appears that VIP and the Mansion are my best bets as a first timer here. Am I right?

Thanks in advance for the info.

Ponderosa

MiamiHeatLuver
01-26-07, 17:48
In my business i travel quite a bit, but here is my problem. Me and my novia are quite serious and talk like 4 times a day not including text's. Usually when i call her she can see on her caller ID that i am calling from a foreign number, but this time I am traveling to MDE to see NOIVA #2. I told my girl im going to Puerto Rico on business, is there anyway to mask my caller ID, from MDE to CLO? I dont want to call her from my US cell.. way too much $$$. Or should i just get a satellite phone? The rates arent too bad! Or any Ideas will we greatly appreciated..

Gimmedub
01-26-07, 20:19
That's what I do - cheap, internet telephoney, and if she becomes a little more tech. savy you get her on skype and you talk for free.

Good luck!


In my business i travel quite a bit, but here is my problem. Me and my novia are quite serious and talk like 4 times a day not including text's. Usually when i call her she can see on her caller ID that i am calling from a foreign number, but this time I am traveling to MDE to see NOIVA #2. I told my girl im going to Puerto Rico on business, is there anyway to mask my caller ID, from MDE to CLO? I dont want to call her from my US cell.. way too much $$$. Or should i just get a satellite phone? The rates arent too bad! Or any Ideas will we greatly appreciated..

Scooby1
01-26-07, 21:17
Ponderosa

You are correct to stay at one of the places that you mentioned. Medellin is not a hard city to figure out pm me & ill send you a copy of Scooby's Medellin Travelers Guide. In it you will find tons of stuff about Medellin and the mongering scene.

Scooby

Lima Busy
01-26-07, 21:26
Adriana Aguirre, who works as a baby sitter in Stamford, Connecticut, sends $500 to Colombia each month for her two children's food and schooling. Since October, she's transferred an extra $200 monthly to buy them a home.

``It's a big sacrifice,'' says Aguirre, 29, who left her hometown of Medellin for the U.S. six years ago. ``But it's all for my family's well-being.''

Colombian officials are encouraging former residents like Aguirre to become investors rather than consumers as a novel way to keep inflation from rising above its 2006 rate of 4.48 percent. The government is sponsoring real estate fairs in the U.S. and Europe to steer expatriates toward buying homes. Other organizations have created programs to help families use so- called remittances from relatives abroad to start businesses.

``The more remittances are channeled toward the purchase of homes and durable goods and the creation of productive projects that help generate employment, the healthier the economy,'' says Daniel Nino, head economist at Bancolombia SA in Bogota. ``This helps take away inflationary pressures stemming from consumer demand.''

Money sent home by Colombians who have lived abroad for more than a year rose to a record $3.3 billion in 2005, more than double the amount of foreign currency generated by coal, the nation's biggest export after oil, according to the central bank. In 2006, remittances were on course to set a new annual high after jumping 19 percent to $2.85 billion in the first nine months. The bank hasn't published full-year figures.

Channeling Resources

``We want to channel these resources toward savings and investment, which help boost growth, instead of consumer spending,'' Foreign Affairs Minister Maria Consuelo Araujo, 35, said in October, the day before she left Bogota for the real estate fair in New York at which Aguirre bought her house.

Colombians have purchased close to $100 million at the real estate fairs, which have been held once a year in Madrid, Miami and New York since 2005, according to the foreign affairs ministry.

At an October fair at Penn Plaza Pavilion in midtown Manhattan, Colombian real estate developers and construction companies offered units in about 500 building projects in 38 cities. Some of the 105 stands at the fair were set up by Colombian banks offering mortgages.

At the fair, Aguirre arranged to buy a 60-square-meter (640- square-foot) home for 39 million pesos ($17,337), and financed the purchase through a $200-a-month mortgage from Bogota-based Red Multibanca Colpatria SA.

Inflation

Colombia needs to contain inflation if economic growth is to continue to be buoyant, says Alberto Ramos, a senior Latin America economist at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in New York.

While the 4.48 percent increase in consumer prices last year fell within the central bank's target of 4 percent to 5 percent, the bank will probably increase interest rates to prevent strong growth from fueling inflation in 2007, says Ramos.

``The economy needs to slow down so it can maintain a steady pace, before inflation kicks in and hurts growth,'' says Ramos.

Last year the bank raised its benchmark rate six times to 7.5 percent, the highest since March 2002, from 6 percent. Ramos forecasts it will lift its lending rate to 8 percent in 2007.

Colombia grew 7.7 percent in the third quarter of 2006, its fastest pace since 1978, as President Alvaro Uribe's successes in clamping down on drug-financed terrorists encouraged business to expand. The economy grew an average of 3.9 percent a year from 2002, when Uribe took office, through 2005.

Expatriate Remittances

With more than 8 percent of its 41 million citizens living abroad, Colombia was the third-largest recipient of expatriate remittances in Latin America in 2005, according to the Inter- American Development Bank. Ahead of Colombia were Mexico, with $20 billion, and Brazil, with $6 billion. On average, migrants from Latin America send $200 to $300 a month back to their home countries, the Washington-based bank says.

Some Colombians fled their country because they feared for their safety in a nation torn by a four-decade war between the government and guerrillas. Others, like Aguirre, left in search of a better job. Most live in the U.S. or Spain.

In the central province of Quindio, Eliana Ayala and five friends have used funds from relatives living in Spain to set up a company that prepares meat and poultry products.

``We had the idea of creating our small business so we could do more with the money our relatives are sending us than just spending it on our basic needs such as food and clothing,'' Ayala, 29, says as she slices a piece of stuffed chicken.

Aid From Spain

Their company, which is run out of an abandoned hospital, was established with the help of the chamber of commerce of Armenia, the provincial capital, and the city of Madrid. The two organizations set up a project that provides technical and marketing assistance, and awards loans to Quindio residents who receive remittances from Spain and want to set up a business.

About 150 families in Quindio have taken advantage of the program, establishing workshops that produce items ranging from handicrafts and leather goods to fried snacks. The idea is for participants to invest at least 20 percent of the money they receive from abroad in the business.

``Remittances aren't going to last forever, and my husband and I have three small kids to support,'' says Ayala, whose cousin sends her as much as 400,000 pesos every other month. ``The best use I can make of that money is to invest it. It's very satisfying to generate your own income.''

Rebuilding Economy

Such small businesses are helping rebuild Quindio's economy, which was ravaged by a 1999 earthquake that killed about 1,200 people. The disaster was followed in 2001 and 2002 by a plunge in the price of coffee, the province's main agricultural product. By 2003, one in five of Quindio's worker's were without a job, forcing many to seek work elsewhere.

Economic growth under Uribe hasn't stemmed the exodus of workers. Unemployment of 11 percent is among the highest in the region. In the first six months of 2006, the number of Colombians who left their homeland and didn't return rose to 219,876 from 159,353 in the same period of 2003, government figures show.

While many Colombian expatriates say they plan to return to their homeland sometime in the future, they aren't prepared to give up their U.S. and European salaries in the foreseeable future. In Colombia, the minimum monthly wage is 433,700 pesos ($193) compared with about $890 in the U.S., based on a 40-hour work week.

``I just couldn't bring up my kids with what I was earning in Colombia,'' says Aguirre, a divorcee who emigrated in 2000, leaving her son, then six, and daughter, then four, with her mother and sister. Aguirre hasn't returned since.

MiamiHeatLuver
01-26-07, 21:46
Buy a calling card in the US that masks it's call numbers. Most cards you buy from a convenience store do this. Then call the card access number here in the States from Colombia, then of course, make the call just as if you were using the card to call Colombia from the US. It costs a little more, but it works. If you call from a "cabina" in Colombia it won't cost much at all, or use a Colombian long distance calling card to call your US calling card (have I confused you yet?)YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! I understand Completely! I think it will be better / cheaper to call from a CABINA with a US phone Card than COLOMBIAN phone card. NOW why didn't I think of that? The most important thing is to get the US phone card though, or everything might be in jeopardy, no?

Superboy1
01-26-07, 22:33
In my business i travel quite a bit, but here is my problem. Me and my novia are quite serious and talk like 4 times a day not including text's. Usually when i call her she can see on her caller ID that i am calling from a foreign number, but this time I am traveling to MDE to see NOIVA #2. I told my girl im going to Puerto Rico on business, is there anyway to mask my caller ID, from MDE to CLO? I dont want to call her from my US cell.. way too much $$$. Or should i just get a satellite phone? The rates arent too bad! Or any Ideas will we greatly appreciated..You should stop being a bad boy , and have one girlfriend and save some girls for the rest of us :-) Then you would not have this problem.

Scooby1
01-29-07, 16:47
El Chapo

Here is the address that shows what countries only need a passport to enter Colombia of which Mexico is one.
http://www.colombiaemb.org/opencms/opencms/consulates/tourist.html

Black Page
01-30-07, 15:57
In my business i travel quite a bit, but here is my problem. Me and my novia are quite serious and talk like 4 times a day not including text's. Usually when i call her she can see on her caller ID that i am calling from a foreign number, but this time I am traveling to MDE to see NOIVA #2. I told my girl im going to Puerto Rico on business, is there anyway to mask my caller ID, from MDE to CLO? I dont want to call her from my US cell.. way too much $$$. Or should i just get a satellite phone? The rates arent too bad! Or any Ideas will we greatly appreciated..WOW!

I had exactly the same problem 2 months ago!

I went to California for business from Europe. I had 1 week free, so I decided to make a short detour to Cartagena before coming back. (dont laugh. I didnt want to miss this opportunity. Bogota is just 12 hours away...).

How to mask the caller ID? (actually, I was concerned about the country code, not even the area code).

Skype is the answer. In any hotel room you have Internet. With SkypeOut you can call any fixed number for 2 cents/min or so. Quality is bad, but you can say you are calling with Skype because you are surfing the net.

Master Yoda
01-30-07, 16:46
Hey guys,
I will be in Colombia tomorrow. Where is Playboy mansion? and how do I get there?

Also when I am in BAQ where are some good nightclubs and places to meet women? Are there any parlours down here. Thanks

Black Page
01-31-07, 01:09
YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! I understand Completely! I think it will be better / cheaper to call from a CABINA with a US phone Card than COLOMBIAN phone card. NOW why didn't I think of that? The most important thing is to get the US phone card though, or everything might be in jeopardy, no?Be very careful. Make first a test, if you can, with a friend, to check WHAT NUMBER is displayed when you call using that phone card.

I tell you this because usually, when I am abroad, I use a phone credit card issued by my national phone company (I am European). I enter a free (like a 800) number in the country where I am, then I am connected to the network of my country. To dial a number of my country, I enter only the area code, not the country code, because "I am already there". (it is a credit card, because at the end of the month the total amount is billed to my VISA credit card; it is not prepaid).

Well, surprising enough, sometimes the COUNTRY CODE of the place where I am physically does appear on the receiving phone. The system of my telephone company takes the ID of the line from where I am calling and transfer it, in part, to the receiver. Not always, but sometimes.

Be careful. If you say "hi, I am in Texas" but the display on your wife's phone shows a damn 0057, it would be difficult to explain.

Ricker
02-03-07, 21:22
Will I encounter any problems with bringing in sex toys such as the irabbit vibrator and a pocket rocket when I enter Bogota?

No problems amigo .... just chuckles from the Policia when they inspect your bag. When and if they ask about your toys, you could just say, with a smile and a wink; "me novia le encanta jugar en la cama" .... or somethng like that. (my girlfriend loves to play in bed).

Suerte!

Ricker
02-03-07, 21:24
I have been using Tel 3 Advantage calling cards for quite some time but the service has really declined so I am now looking for alternatives to call countries such as Colombia. Does anyone have any recommendations?.

I still have not recieved any response to my question below about bringing sex toys into Bogota. I hope someone out there will be kind enough to respond to my two questions here on this thread. Thank you in advance for your kindness in doing so.

I use ORRBITEL COLOMBIA calling card, 6cents/min or
COLOMBIA ETB calling card, 5 cents/mn

:)

Tootie
02-06-07, 03:27
Can someone lend me a few pointers on a first timer to Columbia. Which of these 3 are the best to go. It will be a small group 4-5, and have traveled before to Rio and CR many times. Our next trip is to Argentina and we were hoping to stop in columbia on the way.

Thanks

JK

Mule69
02-06-07, 17:50
Can someone lend me a few pointers on a first timer to Columbia. Which of these 3 are the best to go. It will be a small group 4-5, and have traveled before to Rio and CR many times. Our next trip is to Argentina and we were hoping to stop in columbia on the way.

Thanks

JK It's Colombia! I will say Medellin but for ease I would include Cartagena.Cali will be last choice,,for safety reasons.

Gonzo
02-07-07, 01:41
There's cafe, drogas, chicas and emeralds, as major Colombian exports, next is gold?

From the SF Chronicle
(full article at http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/06/BUGQENV5AE1.DTL)


Colombian gold rush
If country can limit its internal violence, the precious metal could make for rich pickings


02-06) 04:00 PST Segovia, Colombia -- Sweat pours off the back of Luis Villegas as he shovels mineral-rich ore into a sluice. Next to him, another man pans for gold and a third pours mercury from a yogurt carton into his pan to separate the gold from the ore.

Behind them, three wooden poles, thick as telegraph posts, that form part of an old-fashioned stamp mill perform their ceaseless dance, pounding the gray, gold-bearing rock into a fine grit.

It looks like a scene from California's Gold Rush. In fact, it's modern day Colombia, where -- with the exception of the yogurt carton -- small-scale miners still use virtually the same technology that brought riches to San Francisco more than 150 years ago.

"What I find astonishing is Colombia's gold mines produce over 1 million ounces of gold per year and yet it has no major gold producer," says Peter Bolt, director of Cambridge Mineral Resources, a London company looking to bring modern mining techniques to the country.

Colombia may be on the verge of its own gold rush, mining experts say.

Colombia's gold reserves haven't been tapped in part because of 50 years of armed conflict involving the army, left-wing guerrillas, right-wing death squads and drug cartels, a lethal mix that made mining dangerous. But as security measures put in place by President Alvaro Uribe prove successful in quelling violence, the clamor for the precious yellow metal is proving irresistible.

As much as 40 percent of Colombia has not even been geologically mapped. Industry experts think there are rich pickings to be had.

"A steady flow of mining companies into the country has begun, and the potential of Colombia is there for all to see (with small-scale) gold mines spread across the length and breadth of the country," Bolt said.

The three belts of Andean cordillera that straddle Colombia have yet to feel the drill bits of modern exploration equipment. Miners are convinced "that there exist large undiscovered reserves," says Archak Bedrossian, an international gold consultant and trader.

Peru, Colombia's neighbor to the south, produces about 210 tons of gold per year. Some believe Colombia could surpass that.

"There is more gold in Colombia than there ever was in Peru," said Ian Park, president of Compañia Minera de Caldas, a Canadian-owned mining company

Of the 23 tons of gold that Colombia mines each year, 15 are produced in the west-central state of Antioquia. The Segovia and Frontino mining districts are there. Ten tons is panned by small-scale miners who produce less than 1 to 2 ounces of gold per day using the antiquated methods brought to the region by fortune-seeking Cornish miners from England in the 19th century, just like the Cornishmen who flocked to California during the Gold Rush.

Antioquia's picturesque green hills, on which cattle graze between plots of sugarcane, have been the heart of Colombia's gold production for centuries. Many of the indigenous gold ornaments and objects that hypnotized Spanish conquistadors hundreds of years ago came from this region.

Asomineros, a mining trade group, estimates that there are 1,500 small-scale gold workings employing 200,000 miners in the state. Men can be seen standing thigh-deep in the creeks, shoveling gravel into sluices in the hope of finding gold flakes and nuggets.

"I have some luck, enough to get by," said Hernan Ortega, a sun-bronzed man in his 40s, as he took a break from hoisting shovels of rock from the fast moving stream.

In Marmato, in Caldas state to the south, the hills are riddled with adits, the tunnels supported by wooden beams that the miners excavate to follow gold veins.

The humid, dimly lit tunnels are small and hazardous to navigate. Miners push handcarts all day to haul out ore and waste rock. Temperatures reach 122 degrees Fahrenheit. With no power tools, almost everything is done by hand.

Industrial-scale miners seek a mother lode, a deposit that contains a gold-bearing vein sufficient to produce in commercial quantities for several years.

"The veins being exploited typically average 2 meters in width and contain 15 to 20 grams of gold per ton, with bonanza grades above 1,000 grams locally," said Colin Andrew, Cambridge Mineral's managing director.

In laymen's terms, that means there's a lot of gold here.

Having spent more than $45 million to date exploring its Angostura gold property near Bucaramanga, in Santander department, the Canadian company Greystar Resources has found a multitude of veins containing 10 million ounces of gold.

"We have identified over 120 veins in the deposit (including) 60 higher-grade shoots where the veins intersect," said Greystar Executive Vice President Frederick Felder.

Wherever there is gold production in Colombia there are ancient stamp mills nestled into the mountain, the mechanical dinosaurs that were first used more than 500 years ago and that linger into the 21st century. Antioquia alone has 500 of the stamp mills, similar to those first used in Renaissance Europe, Asomineros estimates.

The government hopes that an influx of foreign investment will create jobs, modernize mining techniques and make the industry more productive.

One of the biggest challenges is curbing deadly environmental practices that are integral to Colombia's antiquated mining tradition. Authorities want to restrict use of toxic mercury and cyanide, substances used for ore processing that are now openly dumped into streams.

"Exploitation of Colombia's great gold potential has to be with modern technology that allows higher mineral recovery and better social and environmental conditions," said Carlos Uribe, director of Asomineros.

At a small mill near the Quintana mine where Cambridge Mineral is exploring, miners add mercury, a neurotoxin with highly toxic vapors, to the wok-size steel pan that is used to agglomerate gold particles, using their fingers to mix it into the grit.

"The people have problems with mercury, it stays in their bodies," said Antonio Castillo, mine manager at Quintana.

Once the grit has been panned away, the remaining liquid is poured into a piece of cloth and the mercury squeezed out through the fabric to leave a ball of gold-mercury amalgam. The miners perform the task without gloves or masks to protect them against the fumes that damage the lungs, kidneys and brain.

Much of the mercury ends up in local rivers, threatening a legacy not unlike that which California faced from its Gold Rush years. The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that 3 million pounds of mercury entered Sierra Nevada watersheds during the gold boom.

In Segovia, a threadbare mining town of 60,000 about 120 miles from Medellin, every shop has a sign in the window that says "we buy gold." In the central plaza stands a golden statue of a woman, Mother Earth, from whose belly a miner removes ore with a pick.

Bez Bezarra
02-08-07, 04:07
Is Colombia safe?

it must be since only 15 of every 100 Colombians said they had been the victim of some type of crime.



I guess all the dead murdered and missing kidnapped colombians
had a hard time answering the survey.

Realeasygoing
02-11-07, 18:54
Santa Marta looks like a good vacation location?

Does any one on this board go there?

What are monger/punter friendly hotels?

MiamiHeatLuver
02-12-07, 03:00
Fortune-seeking women swell with desire for drug barons

John Harlow and Sally Gillespe, The Times, UK. September 3, 2006

(Bogota) THE sorry television saga of a pretty young woman who undergoes breast enlargement to win the heart of a drug dealer is gripping Colombia, where the series reflects an unparalleled boom in plastic surgery.

The story of Katherine, a desperate teenager struggling to escape poverty, is told in a nightly drama called Sin Tetas No Hay Paraiso, or Without Breasts There Is No Paradise.




More and more young office workers, who earn an average of £120 a month, are paying £800 for breast augmentation. Five years ago 30,000 Colombians had implants; this year more than 100,000 procedures are expected to be carried out..

Gustavo Bolivar Moreno, an investigative reporter and author of a bestselling book about would-be molls that inspired the series, has been praised for revealing the bleak truths about many young women’s ambitions. “All adolescent girls are self-conscious about their bodies,” he said. “But I have met 13-year-olds saving up surgery money specifically to reach their ultimate goal — a cocaine smuggler.

“Not a doctor, or even a footballer, but the type of criminal who, 13 years after the Medellin cartel kingpin Pablo Escobar was killed, still enforce their aesthetic on a generation of women in a brutal fashion.

“Even when the women have gone under the knife to measure up, they are merely used and discarded in the worst possible ways,” he said.

Sin Tetas follows the rise and fall of a girl who prostitutes herself to pay for a D-cup that will attract the attention of a glamorous local thug with dark glasses, armed guards and a swimming pool. In one episode she says she wants to become a moll “because even if my man dies, I will be out of the mud”.

The saga continues until next month but the story of Katherine and her friends is unlikely to end happily. “Her smile was wondrous, but her breasts became her road to hell,” said a trailer for the series on Caracol TV.

Young women interviewed in Bogota last week said they recognised Katherine in the programme. Johanna, a communications student aged 22, said: “It’s really popular because it shows real life. Girls like to be skinny but men want them to have big chests so they go along with it.”

Diana, a 21-year-old student, said: “Of course it’s exaggerated and not all girls go to such extremes to get the surgery, but enough do.”

It remains unquantifiable how many women are setting their sights on a drug dealer, but a Bogota police report suggests up to 350,000 young men, out of Colombia’s 41m people, are or have been involved in the drug trade.

“Americans like to go blonde, but here they like to go big,” said a member of the Colombian Plastic Surgeons Society. “Sometimes you have to calm them down a bit before they damage themselves.”

The Bogota surgeon, who asked not to be identified, estimated that one in six young women in richer cities such as Medellin and Cartagena had had some “work done”, a higher rate than in Beverly Hills.

Some Colombian celebrities are taking a stand against the trend: Shakira, the 29-year-old pop star whose latest hit, Hips Don’t Lie, reached number one, said she considered breast augmentation but then turned against the idea: “I worried that I was not going to be looking good enough for my fans, but I realised I was good looking enough for myself.

“Now I see all these poor women trying to get out of the ghetto with plastic surgery and my heart sinks. I understand why they do it, but not only is the pressure on them cruel but it makes us natural girls look a little bit small.”

Negrofino
02-13-07, 05:21
Great Post

Ferolga777
02-14-07, 08:18
I think that thanks to the introduction of the lists, now I don't have to trudge through the diverse opinions of the members of this site but rather swoop like an eagle and grab my info.

And people can ignore my lyrical posts and get whatever info they need. Best of all worlds. People get to write about shit they give a rat's tail about, for some reason, and no one has to read them.

Ferolga

Lima Busy
02-14-07, 17:51
I have not missed a nightly episode since it began here in Lima a few weeks ago.
Definetly more entertaining than ISG and Katherine beats any girl that ever showed up at the mansion.

LB

MiamiHeatLuver
02-14-07, 18:36
Is there anyway you can think of to get the novia a phone card or More minutes either "comcel or Tigo used to be Ola,, without spending the $14 to send a moneygram, to get a 40k phone card? That method of spending $14 to wire money to buy a 40k phone card doesnt sit well with me.. Thanks

MJG Dogs
02-14-07, 21:12
Tried to access Colombia section on WSA, the entire history and postings have been closed off, anybody know what happened? just curious, Don't fret jackson, this site has ten times as much information and is better managed.

MiamiHeatLuver
02-14-07, 21:30
Tried to access Colombia section on WSA, the entire history and postings have been closed off, anybody know what happened? just curious, Don't fret jackson, this site has ten times as much information and is better managed.

Noticed the same thing,, sent them an email, got an auto-reply answer with some frequently answered questions,, still waiting for any other CORRESPONDENCE.. will fill you in!

StudPlayer
02-18-07, 02:47
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/17/america/LA-GEN-Colombia-Frenchman-Killed.php

French businessman shot dead in Colombia's tourist city of Cartagena

The Associated Press, February 17, 2007

BOGOTA, Colombia: A French businessman was shot dead in Colombia's tourist capital of Cartagena, the Colombian newspaper El Tiempo reported.

Philippe Thiriez, 48, was shot Friday by a man on a motorcycle after leaving a fishing store in the colonial city on the Caribbean coast, the report said. Calls to Cartagena police officials went unanswered Friday night.

Thiriez was the director of the seafood company Sociedad Comercializadora Internacional Antillana SA and lived in Cartagena for several years.

Thiriez's killing comes less than 10 days after an elderly Italian couple were the victims of a robbery that left the woman dead.

Local authorities concerned about the city's image as a tourist destination launched a major manhunt for the woman's killer, offering US$18,000 (€13,720) for his capture. One man has been apprehended.

MJG Dogs
02-18-07, 03:05
re-read the story. this french guy lived in cartagena and had a business in cartagena. I am not sure it is wise to link this to the murdered Italian Tourist.

Tom 33
02-18-07, 13:07
re-read the story. this french guy lived in cartagena and had a business in cartagena. I am not sure it is wise to link this to the murdered Italian Tourist.
And the French guy was executed. Nothing was stolen.

Polvo
02-18-07, 18:29
I have not missed a nightly episode since it began here in Lima a few weeks ago..........LB

Ah! And the title of the show is magnificent. "Sin Tetas no Hay Paradiso".
Without tits I won't have paradise.

I often feel the same way!

Polvo

George90
02-18-07, 20:21
Noticed the same thing,, sent them an email, got an auto-reply answer with some frequently answered questions,, still waiting for any other CORRESPONDENCE.. will fill you in!

I let my subscriptions to WSA and TSM lapse. It didn't make sense to continue paying so much and getting so little compared with ISG. How are those forums doing now? I found them to be lame back in '02 and '03.

Hunter
02-18-07, 20:50
I let my subscriptions to WSA and TSM lapse. It didn't make sense to continue paying so much and getting so little compared with ISG. How are those forums doing now? I found them to be lame back in '02 and '03.WSA seems to be ticking along OK as before, but not a lot on Colombia, in fact all the Colombian files have been accidently deleted, Admin there is trying to get them back up, for a week or so now, no luck yet.

TSM chat board went down hill a few years ago and never recovered, the chat board there was great up until about 2002, although it started going downhill in about 2001.

ISG is by far the best board over all, certainly on Colombia.

Hunter

Geo Daddy
02-19-07, 01:05
Sorry,

W/o wading thru all the posts.

Is this Mansion a generic name for a host house, like the Casa de Chicas in DR? Or a specific place?

Thanx!

g

Cabroncito
02-25-07, 06:11
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Police said they arrested a man Friday in connection with the killing of two clowns in front of dozens of children during a performance, in a case that has convulsed even this violence-hardened South American country.

Walter Bautista, 21, who goes by the alias "My Fish," was being held on charges of murder and trafficking in arms, a police statement said.

Clowns Willington Villamizar, 18, known as "Rony," and Nelson Nunez, 24, known as "Andres," were gunned down Tuesday night in the middle of their circus act in the town of Cucuta, about 400 miles (650 kilometers) northeast of Bogota, near the border with Venezuela.

Acrobats, harlequins, animal trainers and other circus performers staged protests in different parts of the country following the killings, chanting "Justice for the assassins of laughter."

Other circuses held moments of silence for the dead men.

A spokeswoman for the Cucuta police said authorities were investigating the cause of the double slayings, but said they had discounted the reason being the men's jobs.

MrMorton
02-26-07, 02:36
What city would you recommend for the best action in Colombia? Prefer club type atmosphere to brothels.

Thanks in advance.

Mule69
02-28-07, 06:10
I let my subscriptions to WSA and TSM lapse. It didn't make sense to continue paying so much and getting so little compared with ISG. How are those forums doing now? I found them to be lame back in '02 and '03.WSA ain't happening! They "lost" all their info on Colombia. Somehow all the Colombia reports got zapped so no info at all! Bummer!

RioThaiGuy
02-28-07, 21:03
Curious if anyone has been to Villa Vicencio and if its safe for an american to go there. I have been to Barranquilla Bogota and Cartagena.

Thanks in advance

RioThaiGuy
03-01-07, 18:52
are they any laws or limits as to how much of a product you can bring into colombia for selling. also are there any products that some of you have sold there for profit to help pay for your trip. just got back and want to return soon. i can bring health and nutritional products with my company but wonder if they would confirep001e them or if there is a limit. also laptops?

thanks

Jericho10
03-06-07, 02:44
Can anyone confirm/refute that Colombia telephone city codes are changing? It looks like the Medellin city code is being changed from a single digit 4 to three digits 4XY: 421-426, 429, 431, 432, 434-436, 441-444, 447. I doublechecked the city codes and found these listed for Medellin. I guess it's changed to be more like a US area code.

I think that's why I haven't been able to call my novia in Medellin the last few weeks, although other Medellin numbers still seem to work. And I'm having trouble trying to figure out what her city code is. Or maybe I'm totally off base.

Cachorro
03-06-07, 15:50
Can anyone confirm/refute that Colombia telephone city codes are changing? It looks like the Medellin city code is being changed from a single digit 4 to three digits 4XY: 421-426, 429, 431, 432, 434-436, 441-444, 447. I doublechecked the city codes and found these listed for Medellin. I guess it's changed to be more like a US area code.Business as usual with the phones, I think. I was able to call a Medellin number using Skype, the area code is just 4.

Maybe something going on with your calling card?

Doesn't your girl have a cell phone?

Otown51
03-06-07, 20:29
A friend told me about this web site. Its free and I have been on it for a few days and meet several nice chicas.

Master Yoda
03-09-07, 15:43
Hi,
Here is a link to video President Bush's travel to Latin America. Not good so far

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=2061624&ch=1105621&src=news

MJG Dogs
03-10-07, 07:41
Watch bogota on Sunday. The Colombian Military and the police are going to have a field day beating on the leftist students and thugs.

It is funny to see people in Brasil and Colombia calling Bush an "murderer". If memory serves me right haven't several hundred street children been murdered in the flavias of Rio by the police and military? and hasn't colombia been involved in a civil war for 40 years? and didn't some leftist FARC's blow up an Avianca plane in 1989, killing 150 innocent people on board, in order to kill one right wing paramilitary commander?, Or am I not suppose the bring this up ? Or maybe these incidents are also the fault of the United States and its people.

Oh but they will still take our money though...............

MJG Dogs
03-10-07, 08:51
What does a tariff on ethanol have to do with the murdering of street children and the bombing on an avianca flight in 1989? I guess the tariffs are much worse in your mind. Now I know why someday I may have to fight my own citizens in a civil war, you and your type favor the world, I favor my country.... I guess that is the way it is....so keep hating and keep blaming, what does not kill us, strengthens us...

Jon32
03-14-07, 00:05
Does the winner get a prize for who does more fucked up stuff?

AddictedToWomen
03-14-07, 01:11
What does a tariff on ethanol have to do with the murdering of street children and the bombing on an avianca flight in 1989? I guess the tariffs are much worse in your mind. Now I know why someday I may have to fight my own citizens in a civil war, you and your type favor the world, I favor my country.... I guess that is the way it is....so keep hating and keep blaming, what does not kill us, strengthens us...

Last time I checked living in a democracy means that the people, for example the people of Colombia, are allowed to express their opinion without checking with you first.

I realise that's no longer the case in the USA, but it does remain so in the civilized world.

(Ducks and runs for cover...)

MJG Dogs
03-14-07, 07:40
jon 32- probably the winner gets to survive and the loser probably ceases to exist. that is the way it is.....

addicted to woman- nobody is stomping on your rights to free speech. i have an opinion, you have one also. so keep spewing....

Surfer
03-14-07, 16:16
a GFE nympho stoner from the good ole days in Cali

AddictedToWomen
03-18-07, 17:39
a GFE nympho stoner from the good ole days in Cali

*Hot* lass! WOW!

Neh Hoe
03-19-07, 19:44
What is that free web site please?Web site with chica from around the world "badoo.com".

Master Yoda
03-21-07, 00:02
Web site with chica from around the world "badoo.com".better to go to hi5.com if you ask me. too many fake pics there.

Gonzo
03-31-07, 18:27
Here's an article from the LA Times about Mayor Cielo Gonzalez from Neiva, a small city of 350K in the Huila departmento. She needs constant armed guards against attack from the FARC unfortunately. She is 38 years old and if you look at her pix, well, you be the judge:

http://*******.com/26vx6n

The article also underscores the dangers in CO in certain areas outside of the big cities, especially near the 'coca highways'.

Negrofino
03-31-07, 20:02
My GF told me about her. But she couldnt remember her name. I thought she was lying. That woman is beautiful.

Member #4351
03-31-07, 21:13
She´s got my vote.

Mr Enternational
04-01-07, 03:57
Damn the FARC. I think those guards are to keep me away from her!

Doc Bill
04-16-07, 03:36
Does anyone know if there are flights between Colombia and Cuba, and if it's safe to take in terms of US Customs?

Escort King
04-16-07, 04:14
Does anyone know if there are flights between Colombia and Cuba, and if it's safe to take in terms of US Customs?

try the cuba thread have seen it there

Cubanut
04-16-07, 04:19
Does anyone know if there are flights between Colombia and Cuba, and if it's safe to take in terms of US Customs?

Doc Bill,

Cubana airlines has flights in and out of Bogota on Saturdays. Don't know if any other airlines have routes from any Colombian airport to/from the island but Avianca does not.

As far as US customs, I believe it's actually US immigration/homeland security you actually need to worry about , remember that Colombia has very close ties with the USA now and whereas I doubt that the CIA will be watching who comes in/out of Bogota/Cuba flights there always is the possibility of your passport being stamped while coming or leaving Cuba by immigration even if you ask them not to stamp. This is what you may be asked to explain upon arrival back to the USA as well as the part of the declaration form that requires you to write down what countries you visited on your trip. This area of what to do is something you should check the Cuba threads for.


Cheers,


Cubanut

Gruhmbards
04-16-07, 05:21
You can take COPA from Bogota or Medellin with a stop in Panama, the ticket price is aprox US$ 900 roundtrip.


Does anyone know if there are flights between Colombia and Cuba, and if it's safe to take in terms of US Customs?

Tom 33
04-16-07, 12:21
You can take COPA from Bogota or Medellin with a stop in Panama, the ticket price is aprox US$ 900 roundtrip.
Jesus fuck. Shows what a lack of competition does to prices.

My big concern would be an exit stamp from Colombia followed by an entry stamp back into Colombia. Where did you enter in between? And why did you not exit? The Cuban aduana will not stamp a US passport unless you ask them to do so.

Even if there were no risk, Cuba sucks big time. I would not go back again with no risk and a free flight. A Cuban-born friend has offered to guide me, I have refused.

Gruhmbards
04-16-07, 22:15
What you can do is stay a day in Panama so you will have your passport stamped. I've never noted if Colombian inmigration authorities actually "scan" your passport for stamps, but wouldn't suggest to take the risk.

Rgds


Jesus fuck. Shows what a lack of competition does to prices.

My big concern would be an exit stamp from Colombia followed by an entry stamp back into Colombia. Where did you enter in between? And why did you not exit? The Cuban aduana will not stamp a US passport unless you ask them to do so.

Even if there were no risk, Cuba sucks big time. I would not go back again with no risk and a free flight. A Cuban-born friend has offered to guide me, I have refused.

BeersTerry
04-16-07, 22:54
I would assume there are lots of flights between the two as I believe Cuba is the only place Colombians can visit without a passport.

As for the other thing, Cuba is in tough shape. I hear that even the all inclusives are getting pretty shitty. Once you have been shooting fish in a barrel in Colombia, it is alot of work finding girls and dodging cops in Cuba.

The cabs in Cuba are expensive. The food in Cuba is expenisve and shitty. For example, a meal in one of the best restaurants in Bogota for 5 with lots food and wine cost $200 with a healthy tip. Passable food for 4 without alcohol wil cost you at least that.

Winner71
04-17-07, 05:35
- I think you are incorrect regarding a lot of flights from Colombia to Cuba, I've looked into it, solely because I was curious. I actually have no interest in visiting Cuba.

Who told you Colombians can fly to Cuba without a passport? That seems very odd that either government would allow this? Without a passport? Maybe you meant this is the only country Colombians can go to... which would also be incorrect as there are numerous countries Colombians can go to. Maybe you did mean what you said regarding no passport needed... but that sure does seem shocking if true.



I would assume there are lots of flights between the two as I believe Cuba is the only place Colombians can visit without a passport.

As for the other thing, Cuba is in tough shape. I hear that even the all inclusives are getting pretty shitty. Once you have been shooting fish in a barrel in Colombia, it is alot of work finding girls and dodging cops in Cuba.

The cabs in Cuba are expensive. The food in Cuba is expenisve and shitty. For example, a meal in one of the best restaurants in Bogota for 5 with lots food and wine cost $200 with a healthy tip. Passable food for 4 without alcohol wil cost you at least that.

Scooby1
04-17-07, 05:40
You can take COPA from Bogota or Medellin with a stop in Panama, the ticket price is aprox US$ 900 roundtrip.I just checked the COPA website and the tickets are listed including taxes for USD 539.76 round trip.

Gruhmbards
04-17-07, 06:40
Just for clarification: On Nov 2006 I took Medellin-Havanna via Bogota and Panama round trip and paid US 865 (at Nov 2006 exchange rate). I did that only onve as the other times I went to Havanna I departed either from Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo.
My last time in Havanna was Feb 2007 and I must agree that it has become a sort of expensive place to live, and I prefere no doubt other cities for p4p.


I just checked the COPA website and the tickets are listed including taxes for USD 539.76 round trip.

Tom 33
04-17-07, 11:53
What you can do is stay a day in Panama so you will have your passport stamped. I've never noted if Colombian inmigration authorities actually "scan" your passport for stamps, but wouldn't suggest to take the risk.

Rgds
Same deal. You will then get an exit stamp from Panama. Where did you enter later that day?

BeersTerry
04-17-07, 23:35
Who told me ?

Someone who flew his Colombian girlfriend, who did not have a passport, to Cuba.

Joeknowz
04-17-07, 23:44
What countries can colombians visit without a visa?

Arasari
04-22-07, 07:45
First indications of life in Santa Marta.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=580020&postcount=23I think the life has been there for quite some time, and never really explored and reported on.

months ago when I made a few inquires via PM, I was met with some hostile attitudes. and it seemed they wanted to keep it quiet and unspoiled, and wished the worse for me.

I talked in great lenght with many of the girls there. and they did say alot of americans and italians come thru there, but it's mostly seasonal. after learning this I was surprised there wasn't more information on the forums here. so it kinda makes you wonder why? other than keeping prices down from the americans that thru money at some of these girls.

during my 22 day stay there, I only saw about 3 other fat old and balding gringos with young hotties hanging off their arms.

So now the cat is out of the bag, lets invade this place!

Jelly Donut
04-24-07, 01:34
That was a short explanation of why I think your report was important. I ought to have explained with a little more detail.

Last year, I read the basically bleak reports concerning Santa Marta and, even though I knew there was some activity there from reading the Santa Marta newspaper, I decided to go with the consensus opinion here - which was that it made sense to bring a girl with you if you went to Santa Marta.

With your report and photos, you've estabilished that you can have a good time in Santa Marta if you show up alone. This crossed my mind back in November 2006 - that I should go to Santa Marta and just find out what the real deal was there, but I did not have the guts to go and risk coming up dry. Anyway, from my point of view, your report changed how I think about that city. Thanks.


I think the life has been there for quite some time, and never really explored and reported on.

months ago when I made a few inquires via PM, I was met with some hostile attitudes. and it seemed they wanted to keep it quiet and unspoiled, and wished the worse for me.

I talked in great lenght with many of the girls there. and they did say alot of americans and italians come thru there, but it's mostly seasonal. after learning this I was surprised there wasn't more information on the forums here. so it kinda makes you wonder why? other than keeping prices down from the americans that thru money at some of these girls.

during my 22 day stay there, I only saw about 3 other fat old and balding gringos with young hotties hanging off their arms.

So now the cat is out of the bag, lets invade this place!

Arasari
04-25-07, 20:30
That was a short explanation of why I think your report was important. I ought to have explained with a little more detail.

Last year, I read the basically bleak reports concerning Santa Marta and, even though I knew there was some activity there from reading the Santa Marta newspaper, I decided to go with the consensus opinion here - which was that it made sense to bring a girl with you if you went to Santa Marta.

With your report and photos, you've estabilished that you can have a good time in Santa Marta if you show up alone. This crossed my mind back in November 2006 - that I should go to Santa Marta and just find out what the real deal was there, but I did not have the guts to go and risk coming up dry. Anyway, from my point of view, your report changed how I think about that city. Thanks.Glad I could be of assitance. if your into dancing, and hitting the dance clubs, there is one large outdoor/indoor dance club called La Escollera that is full of girls of all shapes sizes and ages on friday and saturday nights.

One of the nights I was there, I left at 4am, and there was still plenty of girls there dancing the night away, I am told the club can hold 2k people, but the nights I was there, there was probably around 500-700 people. also the Antigua Club is quite popular.

Also, is it me, or was there other posts that recently disappeared in this thread and the other SM thread?

Winner71
04-25-07, 21:33
Arasari- I erased some of my Santa Marta posts... mainly because I was getting way too much into issues Id prefer not publicize. In a nutshell people should do their own homework on the Santa Marta political arena before just booking a mongering trip to Santa Marta thinking all is peachy.



Glad I could be of assitance. if your into dancing, and hitting the dance clubs, there is one large outdoor/indoor dance club called La Escollera that is full of girls of all shapes sizes and ages on friday and saturday nights.

One of the nights I was there, I left at 4am, and there was still plenty of girls there dancing the night away, I am told the club can hold 2k people, but the nights I was there, there was probably around 500-700 people. also the Antigua Club is quite popular.

Also, is it me, or was there other posts that recently disappeared in this thread and the other SM thread?

Jelly Donut
04-25-07, 22:24
Right. I also had a report there on the Santa Marta thread. I removed it shortly after Winner71 removed a longer report concerning the relationship between business, politics, the paramilitaries, the FARC and drugs - I thought it was a good read, but I think I understand why he removed it.



Arasari- I erased some of my Santa Marta posts... mainly because I was getting way too much into issues Id prefer not publicize. In a nutshell people should do their own homework on the Santa Marta political arena before just booking a mongering trip to Santa Marta thinking all is peachy.

Tom 33
04-25-07, 23:24
Santa Marta is pretty safe, but you might not want to hike to Ciudad Perdida. Unless you have some Wayuu blood running through your veins, you might also want to avoid La Guajira.

I know people who have braved those areas, but I wil not do so any time soon.

It's best to leave the FARC, the ELN and the paras alone.

Arasari
04-25-07, 23:39
Santa Marta is pretty safe, but you might not want to hike to Ciudad Perdida. Unless you have some Wayuu blood running through your veins, you might also want to avoid La Guajira.

I know people who have braved those areas, but I wil not do so any time soon.

It's best to leave the FARC, the ELN and the paras alone.Funny you mention the ciudad perdida hike, I did the hike when I was there, and the tour guide will even take you to a little coke factory for a tip and show the you steps and process on how they make it. but you had better be in tip top shape to make this hike, as it's very brutal on the legs.

Hoof Hunter
04-26-07, 00:34
El Rodadero, 10-15 mins outside of Santa Marta, is pretty safe. Taganga also. Santa Marta itself......not so.

Yes, there are p4p places around, but not advisable, unless you want to become a paraco target. They run the city, and it ain't like how they run Poblado.

Again, it's best to just bring your own chica, hang out in Rodadero with her, and avoid "issues" by deciding to venture into downtown Santa Marta. This was told to me by a couple of taxistas there, both of whom were "affiliated" one way or another. Actually, my Colombian friends were pretty embarassed for them for "airing out dirty laundry." They had just been telling me, there's nothing really worth seeing, which is also true.

Almost did a trip to Riohacha (Guajira) last year, but after getting some advice on the lack of things to do or see there (from Colombian friends in BAQ), I decided against it. I also was told that "I" probably wouldn't have any issues, but then again, that's me. Now, my gringo brothers......not sure pussy's worth taking the chance.


Santa Marta is pretty safe, but you might not want to hike to Ciudad Perdida. Unless you have some Wayuu blood running through your veins, you might also want to avoid La Guajira.

I know people who have braved those areas, but I wil not do so any time soon.

It's best to leave the FARC, the ELN and the paras alone.

Winner71
04-26-07, 01:25
Hoof-

Great post... sums it up. I wouldn't necessarily say one is in danger just for solely being in Santa Marta because truth is no one wants to fuck with you for no reason. But anything can happen.

It's just this whole idea of mongering and going to p4p clubs in Santa Marta is something that seriously needs to be thoroughly thought out... you really don't have any idea whose gal you are screwing around with. And where Hoof Hunter said "both were affilitiated." In Santa Marta everyone is affilitated.. somehow. Everyone is involved. The parmilitaries run the city and everyone knows it. It's their city. If they don't want you there, you won't be there anymore. You [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) 1 person off or mess with 1 gal who you aren't supposed to mess with (even though you are paying her and she's in a brothel) you now could be the next dead gringo in Colombia. It's not like the US where they will start a fight or want an explanation or screw around with you, etc. In Colombia, you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) someone off, anyone will be more than happy to whack you for 5k pesos. Heck, for free in many cases. And don't expect any sort of investigation into your death, because it just won't happen. That's the risk of mongering in Santa Marta and I wanted to get across in the posts that I erased. Common sense one would think, nothing will happen to you in a brothel in Santa Marta because it's a business and you are a paying customer. In most cities that may be true. In Santa Marta, absolutely forget that kind of thinking. Heck anywhere, not just brothels or p4p type venues. You can go sit down at a restaurant and they can walk up to you and whack you. End of story. No one saw anything. That's the way it is.

Rodadero and Taganga as well as Tayrona are beautiful... take your own chica and you wil have an awesome time. In fact, if you hit Escollera in Rodadero on a puente weekend (3 day weekend) or holiday, it might be the best time of your life. Escollera can be very fun. Puente weekends are the time to go. Any other weekend (excluding holidays) can be hit or miss. Might see 1000 people there or you may see 20 people there.

Best advice... Forget about mongering in Santa Marta... and as Hoof Hunter says, Santa Marta is pretty much best if avoided altogether. There really isn't much to see or do anyways.


El Rodadero, 10-15 mins outside of Santa Marta, is pretty safe. Taganga also. Santa Marta itself......not so.

Yes, there are p4p places around, but not advisable, unless you want to become a paraco target. They run the city, and it ain't like how they run Poblado.

Again, it's best to just bring your own chica, hang out in Rodadero with her, and avoid "issues" by deciding to venture into downtown Santa Marta. This was told to me by a couple of taxistas there, both of whom were "affiliated" one way or another. Actually, my Colombian friends were pretty embarassed for them for "airing out dirty laundry." They had just been telling me, there's nothing really worth seeing, which is also true.

Almost did a trip to Riohacha (Guajira) last year, but after getting some advice on the lack of things to do or see there (from Colombian friends in BAQ), I decided against it. I also was told that "I" probably wouldn't have any issues, but then again, that's me. Now, my gringo brothers......not sure pussy's worth taking the chance.

Davidb3069
05-01-07, 00:47
Hoof-

Great post... sums it up. I wouldn't necessarily say one is in danger just for solely being in Santa Marta because truth is no one wants to fuck with you for no reason. But anything can happen.I was just there a month ago or so and it was no problem. I hit all the major clubs in Santa Marta. Gringos draw a bit more attention to themselves there because there aren't many of them that roll through there apparently. But that was it. I was at Flamingos, Banana, Pleyboy, etc. They all greeted and treated me nicely. I had a colombian chick with me so the girls didn't want to approach me. But I didn't feel in danger at any time. Walked the streets in Santa Marta as well. I did opt out of going into a nightclub in the beach area that was a ways from the beach. Because I'm cautious in crowded, secluded areas. But that's just being safe.

Santa Marta isn't a vacation city for gringos. It's a vacation city for colombians. That's what a colombian guy with me told me.

Of course, using common sense and extra caution isn't a bad thing, but staying away from Santa Marta would be a mistake.- it's a nice place. I will be returning there in the next few weeks.

David B.

Davidb3069
05-01-07, 00:58
I talked in great lenght with many of the girls there. and they did say alot of americans and italians come thru there, but it's mostly seasonal. after learning this I was surprised there wasn't more information on the forums here. so it kinda makes you wonder why? other than keeping prices down from the americans that thru money at some of these girls.We were both there at about the same time and I had a good time. I will be back. I'm going to hit Banana, Flamingo and that park I mentioned this time. I think I forgot to mention Banana has live sex shows Saturday and Sunday If I remember correctly. Not really my thing (saw one in Amsterdam once) but some people might like it.

David B.

Luis The Great
05-02-07, 04:17
Im trying to find a cheaper alternative so I can call my girl in Palmira Colombia (27) area code. I am currently using Skyrocket it costs me .10 cents a minute to a land line. I checked Lingo and Vonyage about the same cost. I dont like using calling cards because you dont get the full bang for your buck unless you use the card once. Any Ideas. Im usually spending $60-$100 monthly currently.
Thanks

Mr Enternational
05-02-07, 04:46
Shit. Do a video chat on MSN or Yahoo Messenger. Can't get no cheaper than that.


Im trying to find a cheaper alternative so I can call my girl in Palmira Colombia (27) area code. I am currently using Skyrocket it costs me .10 cents a minute to a land line. I checked Lingo and Vonyage about the same cost. I dont like using calling cards because you dont get the full bang for your buck unless you use the card once. Any Ideas. Im usually spending $60-$100 monthly currently.
Thanks

Bango Cheito
05-02-07, 05:00
Skype works just fine for me. It's 5c a minute to a landline in Colombia, 10c to a cell.

Jericho10
05-02-07, 12:18
the cheapest international phone calls i've found so far is using yahoo messenger phone out. and there's no monthly fee or connection fee. i've been using it to call chicas in colombia and other countries for almost a year now. my sister used it to call from australia. it's also cheaper than vonage. check out their websites and make your own cost comparison. as long as i have access to my laptop and a highspeed internet connection, i don't see any real advantage to skype or vonage.

yahoo messenger phone out
bogota $0.039
cali $0.039
medellin $0.069
mobile $0.109

skypeout
bogota $0.051
cali $0.051
medelling $0.095
mobile $0.099

to call to palmira, the rate will be $0.069 (vs $0.099 for shype), if i'm reading the rates table correctly. note the colombia mobile rate is higher.


im trying to find a cheaper alternative so i can call my girl in palmira colombia (27) area code. i am currently using skyrocket it costs me .10 cents a minute to a land line. i checked lingo and vonyage about the same cost. i dont like using calling cards because you dont get the full bang for your buck unless you use the card once. any ideas. im usually spending $60-$100 monthly currently.
thanks

AddictedToWomen
05-02-07, 13:23
Voipstunt et. al. are EUR 0.02/min. Set the call up on the site, your phone rings, then theirs.

Set up with a non-european address or you'll pay tax on top.

Davidb3069
05-03-07, 01:43
To call to Palmira, the rate will be $0.069 (vs $0.099 for Shype), if I'm reading the rates table correctly. Note the Colombia Mobile rate is higher.I use a company called PhonePeople.com that I pay monthly for a 877 # (toll-free). It can transfer calls to Colombia for less than 10 cents a minute (9. 5 I believe). You can change where it rings too if you want. I call my friends in Colombia with it. And my customers can call me in Colombia as well very reasonably.

It's a whole lot cheaper than the $2 a minute alternative I have with Cingular's worldwide roaming service.

David B.

Scooby1
05-03-07, 22:31
All that sounds like a hassel I just went down to cosco and bought a MCI international phone card and it costs only 9cents per min. to call a house phone or 21 to call a cell & there is no connection fee. You can recharge it by phone and its easy.

John Jr
05-10-07, 03:40
Im looking for a nice place to visit in Colombia in August . I was told cali was nice . What are the pro's and cons of cali and what would be a better option for someone looking for nightlife , nice clean place to stay (under 75$ us per night) and friendly girls of course !

John Jr

Bango Cheito
05-10-07, 05:31
Cali is good for weather (if you like it a little bit on the hot side), and for darker-skinned girls, ranging from a little bit dark to very dark.

It is bad for crime and garbage and general chaos as half the city is under construction and the other half NEEDS it too.

Bogota is obviously going to have the best nightlife in the country, because it is the biggest and wealthiest city. It is the only place in Colombia where you can actually find something going on at night outside of the weekends. The downside of Bogota is the weather (for some, August is actually a nice time to go.)

There are PLENTY of places to stay in any city in Colombia for under $75 a night that are reasonable and nice. Look in the "Lists" for each city in this section. The only city where you may have a problem with that budget is Cartagena because there really isn't much AFAIK between the 4 and 5 star resorts and the ghetto there.

John Jr
05-11-07, 04:02
So what would be the big difference in between Cali , Bogota and Medellin as far as place to visit (and also meet girls) .

John jr

Bango Cheito
05-11-07, 04:50
Bogota has girls from ALL over Colombia in spades, so it's the best part to go to if you just want pure variety.

Medellin has taller thinner lighter skinned girls, many of them are 100% European blood.

Cali has generally more of mix of African Indian and European ancestry. People in Cali are dark, but it varies a lot from neighborhood to neighborhood, block to block girl to girl.

There is also the Caribbean coast (Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla) if you want a more Caribbean look.

Beyond that, I dunno what to tell you, as far as attractions Bogota has a LOT, it has good restaurants (and shitty ones), theater (in Spanish of course), museums, etc. Medellin and Cali have less of that.

I obviously prefer Bogota, in fact so much I'm going to live there pretty soon! But most gringos go to Cali or Cartagena, and nowadays Medellin is starting to get VERY popular.

Bango Cheito
05-12-07, 04:29
I'm gonna quote this and elaborate on it for the benefit of a poster who enquired in another section... remember you can change the 'o' at the end to an 'a' to make it feminine :P

Cachaco is a term used on the coast for people from anywhere in the Andean highlands, i.e. Bogota, Medellin, Manizales etc.

Costeño is a term for someone living in the Atlantic coast, Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla, Valledupar, etc. These people are usually mixed and look like what we would call mulattos. The Atlantic coast I believe encompasses the departments of Atlantico, Bolivar, Magdalena, and La Guajira, which is mostly rural.

Rolo means somebody native to Bogota. It is like Cockney is to London, and is NOT properly used for people outside of the city. Bogota is it's own district , Bogota DC (districto capital) like Washington DC. It is surrounded by the department of Cundinamarca. Many people in Bogota are NOT native Rolos, having come from other parts of the country. The Rolas GENERALLY have a Pocahontas look, but more yellow-skinned, long straight black hair, aquiline features, and fairly short by North American standards.

Bumengense(/a) is someone from Bucaramanga, capital of Santander department. They tend to be taller, brown skinned and big in the ass department (although that can be said about the Costeñas as well.)

Vallunos are people from the department of Valle de Cauca, which includes Cali. Vallunos can be any color but are generally darker. People from Buenaventura are VERY dark.

Chocoanos are people from the department of Chocó which is on the Pacific coast above Buenaventura, and are the darkest people in Colombia on average, many of them being 100% African descent.

Paisas (spelled the same regardless of gender) are people from the Eje Cafetero, Medellin and Manizales, and surrounding areas, encompassing mostly the departments of Antioquia, Caldas, and Quindio. They tend to be the tallest, slimmest, lightest-skinned people in Colombia. In terms of classical beauty Medellin is thought to have the prettiest women in Colombia, but if you like big ass, you might be disappointed.

The Bogota accent is very crisp and formal, and they speak VERY quickly. They often ADD s's onto the ends of words. The Costeños on the other hand speak a lot like Dominicans, and MISS s's for example 'nosotros' becomes 'nojotroj'. The Vallunos speak with a very round soft sensual accent, and the Paisas speak like they have marbles in their mouths and often turn 's' to 'sh' like the Galicians or Portuguese do.


Bogota has girls from ALL over Colombia in spades, so it's the best part to go to if you just want pure variety.

Medellin has taller thinner lighter skinned girls, many of them are 100% European blood.

Cali has generally more of mix of African Indian and European ancestry. People in Cali are dark, but it varies a lot from neighborhood to neighborhood, block to block girl to girl.

There is also the Caribbean coast (Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla) if you want a more Caribbean look.

Beyond that, I dunno what to tell you, as far as attractions Bogota has a LOT, it has good restaurants (and shitty ones), theater (in Spanish of course), museums, etc. Medellin and Cali have less of that.

I obviously prefer Bogota, in fact so much I'm going to live there pretty soon! But most gringos go to Cali or Cartagena, and nowadays Medellin is starting to get VERY popular.

Tom 33
05-12-07, 09:01
Costeño is a term for someone living in the Atlantic coast, Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla, Valledupar, etc.
I have always referred to it as the Caribbean Coast.

Your comments are right on. However, it might be of more help to newbies to flat out tell them to stay the fuck out of Cali. I don't really know Bogota. And Medellin, where I currently live, can be dangerous if you don't know the lay of the land.

The Caribbean Coast is the safest area of Colombia. Cartagena is the safest part of that coast. The tourist zone in Cartagena is the safest part of that city.

Bango Cheito
05-12-07, 11:45
Santa Marta BAQ and Valledupar are NOT safer than Bogota and Medellin. Not by a LONG shot dude. And ESPECIALLY not safer than Bogota.

Bogota and Medellin both have crime WAY down from 10 years ago. The same cannot be said about the coast. Although Cartagena is still the safest city in Colombia, but it's crime is rising lately :(

Bucaramanga is also pretty safe, but out of the way.

Next to Cali, Barranquilla is probably the second most dangerous place. Both cities have quite high incidences of muggings.

Cartagena is also the most EXPENSIVE city in Colombia.

Tom 33
05-12-07, 13:57
Valledupar might be considered Costeno, but it is nowhere near the coast. Santa Marta does have it's Paras. I haven't heard much about guerillas in BAQ especially not on the north side. I guarantee that they are in MDE. I wouldn't recommend that a newbie go to any of the above cities.

Cartagena is the most expensive city in Colombia. But it is not that expensive compared to Costa Rica and Panama. What are your nuts worth?

UrbanWildlife
05-12-07, 14:51
You really did a good job in your decriptions, and I am sure it will help many. It most certainly deserves to be in the reports of distinction thread, and I am happy to see it was nominated.

Hoof Hunter
05-12-07, 17:05
Have you actually been to the cities that you're referring to as dangerous and safe? Or passing along "what you've heard" from others? My personal experience in those cities are far different than you stated.

Just interested because the only things that I can 100% agree with you on is that Cartagena is the most expensive city in Colombia, and that MURDERS in Bogota and Medellin is down from 10 yrs ago. But safe?

To downplay the crime in Bogota is highly misleading, from taxi issues to Trans-milenio and micro bus robberies, to broad daylight street robberies, to having to avoid certain areas of town after 6:00 pm, etc. Crime is common in Bogota, for residents AND visitors.

Medellin is RUN by paracos. For years. Who do you think OWN the majority of Poblado??? Why do you think Poblado is generally hands-off for criminals? Okay, step out of Poblado, Envigado and Laureles, and go up into any of the barrios on the hills. They make up at least 50% of Medellin. Still safe?

Not sure where you're getting your info on BAQ, SM, and Valledupar. Not entirely accurate. Barranquilla is NOT the 2nd most dangerous place in Colombia, not by a long shot. Not sure where you sourced that from.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion I guess.


Santa Marta BAQ and Valledupar are NOT safer than Bogota and Medellin. Not by a LONG shot dude. And ESPECIALLY not safer than Bogota.

Bogota and Medellin both have crime WAY down from 10 years ago. The same cannot be said about the coast. Although Cartagena is still the safest city in Colombia, but it's crime is rising lately :(

Bucaramanga is also pretty safe, but out of the way.

Next to Cali, Barranquilla is probably the second most dangerous place. Both cities have quite high incidences of muggings.

Cartagena is also the most EXPENSIVE city in Colombia.

MiamiHeatLuver
05-12-07, 17:38
The worst ive ever seen.

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BeersTerry
05-12-07, 17:56
As I understand it, the government more or less has control of the Carribena coast. I guess that means no guerilla activity, but there is still the normal crime.

Bogota has guerilla type crime.

If you want to look it up. Bucaramanga is #1 for land mine deaths worldwide. As previously posted, no they don't lay mines in the city. It is the poor farmers surronding the city who are taking the hit.



Thansk for the Rolo, Constena etc clarifications.

Hoof Hunter
05-12-07, 20:17
Doesn't mean there isn't any FARC activity on the Caribbean coast. Just not as much as other places. And I wouldn't go so far as to say the gov't has control of anything. More like tolerated and negotiated.

Cartagena, as we all know, is relatively safe. Esp. since the Colombian Navy is quartered there. However, outside of Bocagrande/Laguito/Castillo Grande/most of Centro, crime is rampant. Paracos are trying to muscle in there in recent years, trying to take over rackets from the local street gangs, making things even more testy.

Barranquilla, historically, hasn't been crime-ridden. Petty crimes (pickpockets, bus robberies, etc.) have increased in recent years, but it's not exactly common. Yes, there are paracos in BAQ. I even know a few. Their attitude is generally let me live and earn for my family, and do not cross me. Easy enough. The demobilization of the paracos has contributed to street crime here as well. However, I easily feel safer in BAQ than Bogota, Cali, or Medellin, 10 days out of 10. 10 nights out of 10. As should be your custom in any part of Colombia, just stay out of Centro (downtown) after dark.

Santa Marta proper isn't the safest of places. Hasn't been for a long time. Plenty of street crime. And well paraco'ed up. Even locals recommend that you just stay in Rodadero. I haven't had any issues in SM proper, but I could easily see where one might experience some. El Rodadero is well-patrolled and located 10-15 minutes outside of SM proper.

Guajiras do whatever the hell they want to do. LOL!!!

Bogota has ALL types of crime, petty and larger. It's always #1 on the list for major "events." For a criminal or the paracos or the guerillas or the military, it's target rich. Just because murders are down, by no means, makes it safe. Maybe safer, but that's subjective to what it was.

Bucaramanga the city might be relatively safe. However, there's serious FARC and paraco activity all surrounding the city. No joke. I know a few families in Bogota who've relocated from Barrancabermeja because of exactly that and more job opportunities. Also, a couple of friends often travel there from B'quilla by bus to buy leather goods and return to sell them in B'quilla at a profit. Supposedly, some of the best leather goods are made in Bucaramanga. They take the bus, but don't recommend that I do. That's good enough for me.

Valledupar the city also is relatively safe. Getting there by bus takes you through some questionable areas, but flying into the city should be fine. Petty crimes, yes, they exist. Vallenato is everywhere, as are universities and general boredom until the wkds. I was supposed to go there by bus a few weeks ago from Barranquilla for the Vallenato Festival, but was too exahusted from partying to embark on a 4 hr bus ride. As stated, Valledupar is nowhere near the coast, but identify as "costeños."

Yeah, Bango, the classifications are pretty spot-on. Good job!!!


As I understand it, the government more or less has control of the Carribena coast. I guess that means no guerilla activity, but there is still the normal crime.

Bogota has guerilla type crime.

If you want to look it up. Bucaramanga is #1 for land mine deaths worldwide. As previously posted, no they don't lay mines in the city. It is the poor farmers surronding the city who are taking the hit.

Thansk for the Rolo, Constena etc clarifications.

Bango Cheito
05-13-07, 01:41
To be clear I have only been to Bogota and surrounding area. I am just talking based on official statistics. How good are official statistics? Well, Colombia uses the FBI's uniform crime reporting methods but for ANY place you have to ask that same question, I consider them a rough guide, no more, no less.

Tom, if you go to CB, do a search for Cali Barranquilla atracos and an article posted several weeks ago will come up from El Tiempo. They just reported that Cali is #1 in the country in atracos (muggings) and Barranquilla is #2. As for homicides per 100k, the latest data is Cali 60 BAQ 53 MDE 35 BOG 16. In comparison Rio was 45 for that same year (2006).

Having said that, the risk of muggings in Bogota is VERY real and not something to be taken lightly either, however taking common-sense precautions (like not being drunk alone on the street at night or taking a taxi parked RIGHT outside a nightclub nobody called for you, don't walk away from and come back to your drink etc.) will go a very long way towards preventing any problems.

Guerilla related activity, I doubt there's much of that anymore there. MDE AND the whole Carib coast are heavy paraco areas for that matter. And somehow I don't think an ISGer is going to be trapising around the peripherial areas of Bucaramanga and step on a land mine :P What Bogota (and EVERY OTHER CITY THERE) does have is gangs of ex-paras extorting and mugging people. I always recommend that people don't go south of the graveyard in Teusaquillo because THAT's where all the halfway houses where these people live are. Nobody would even WANT to do that anyways, there's really nothing there but houses :P

To be brutally frank, if you speak nothing else than English and only want p4p action I'd recommend just taking the longer flight to Rio and heading straight for the thermas where the price is fixed and security is tight and the girls are screened. Spanish is KEY in Colombia, everybody wants to speak it but very few people do. The better your Spanish, the more of Colombia will open up to you, regardless of the city. I went down there for the first time with what I THOUGHT was great Spanish only to realize how terribly we really speak Spanish in NY :P

Based on crime risk, I would DEFINITELY recommend Cartagena or Bogota for the newcomer to Colombia over any other place.

Rodeo9112
05-13-07, 03:26
I previously asked on another thread about gifts to bring on an upcoming trip to Bogota. Someone suggested chocolates. I was wondering, however, how Victoria's Secrets lingere or some of those hot little Playboy outfits might go over. That, and I was considering bringing some "Miami" tank tops and/or Univ or Miami gear. Since it seems like that's where alot of Colombianas are trying to get to. Just asking for opinions. Wouldn't wanna offer the stuff and it be taken the wrong way. I just want to be able to get 2 or 3 girls who'll be willing to latch on to me for a few days without me having to pay. So, I hope to give a small token of appreciation at the end of it all, besides just money. Thanks!

Rodeo

Winner71
05-13-07, 05:20
I think it all depends on what one is worried about as far as crime goes. If one were to take the 7 larger cities plus the countryside and classify crime I think you can pretty much have 2 different lists.
A) bombings/potential of kidnap by guerillas

B) anything from petty crime, pickpockets, stabbings and injuries or death by gun in the middle of a robbery and murder because you pissed the wrong person off. All the time you will see planned muggings/robberies which turn into serious injury or death mainly because no one is going to stop them or look for them. A lot of these can be done by Parachos etc... but that is really not their business.

So the first list(A) in order of most dangerous IMO
1) Cali (wihout a doubt)
2) any area outside of large cities or in the countryside where heavy guerilla activity takes place or small towns with heavy guerila activity.
3) Bogota (it's the capital... shit happens here for press)

Those top 3 are in a league of their own for this category. There is a dropoff in my opionion down to Medellin for this type of activity.

4) Medellin (lots of guerillas but I think the top 3 are in a league of thier own)

There is a very very significant dropoff in my opinion from Medellin to #5, 6, and 7 for this type of activity.

5) Santa Marta (one would think more stuff would happen here due to Paracho control... but when was the last time someone heard of a bomb or kidnapping IN Santa Marta?)
6) Bucaramanga
7) Barranquilla (I've heard of bombs in Barranquilla... but due to guerilla control in Santa Marta and all around Bucaramanga I would still say the odds are greater for this type of crime in Santa Marta or Bucaramanga than Barranquilla even though the stats won't support that opinion)

Now the drop from 5,6, and 7 to Cartagena for this kind of activity is so large.

8) Cartagena (I think the odds of a kidnapping or a bombing in Cartagena is lower than the 50 largest cities in the US)

Ok now the B list... crimes that fall in this category listed above.
1) Cali- No question without a doubt this is #1 for crime.. why? Guerilla area and also think about how many people don't have jobs.
2T) Bogota (a lot more in Bogota than in Barranquilla, but it is also much larger... think about the crime in the largest city in any country... incidence wise it's always toward the top)
2T) Barranquilla- per capita wise and the odds of it happening to YOU are probably greater here than in Bogota. Why is Barranquilla crime higher than crime in Medellin? Answer... a lot less jobs in Barranquilla. And where there aren't a lot of jobs.. shit happens. Further, one might think in Barranquilla that it is safer in the north. This is absolutely incorrect. Most of the muggings and roberies happen in the north. Why? What good does it do to rob someone that doesn't have any money on them. Odds are someone walking down the street in the north has a lot more cash in his pocket or home than someone in the south.
4) Medellin- again.. high guerilla and ex guerilla thugs. Why is Medellin below Barranquilla? Well for one there are a lot more jobs in Medellin, and where there are not a lot of jobs. Shit happens.

I think after those top 4 there is a big drop off to #5.

5) Santa Marta- you just don't hear about robberies in Santa Marta. After all the parachos control the town and take whatever moeny they want from the store owners for "protection" anyways so why would parachos rob a gringo?
6) Bucaramanga
7) Cartagena - I'm assuming the touristy areas when I say Cartagena as most gringos don't venture off to where the real citizens live. Even if they do, Cartagena would still be classified in this 5, 6, 7 group.

I think those are 2 very fair lists. But at the end of the day... you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) the wrong person off or sleep with and then really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the novia of a paracho and you can pretty much assume you are a dead man in any city... I guess that happening deserves it's own list because I think the odds of this happening are greatest in Santa Marta and Medellin because that is where you will find the most novias of Parachos turning tricks. Santa Marta in the bars. Medellin- heck street walkers, bars, chicas you meet at the mall.... you just never know. This may sound kind of stupid.. ie. why would the novia of a paracho or even the novia of a comandante of a paracho be turning tricks or working in a bar in Santa Marta or as a puta in Medellin? It's Colombia and it happens.

That's my opinion on the danger lists and having been to and knowing them all pretty well (with the exception of Bucaramanga) I think it's a pretty accurate opinion regardless of what stats may say. Ah.. and in list #2 I didnt put the entry for countryside/small towns. Why? Because that is very very area driven as well as changing daily. I.e. there's a big difference between the busride from Cartagena to Santa Marta and the busride from say... Tayrona to the Venezuelan border. I.e. I don't recommend getting off the bus and doing much sight-seeing and having a soda pop in Macaio.. nor stopping in Cienaga between Barranquilla and Santa Marta. There are just so many dangerous little areas... and then there are a lot of perfectly safe towns.. so one just cant classify the crime without putting every small town on the list.




To be clear I have only been to Bogota and surrounding area. I am just talking based on official statistics. How good are official statistics? Well, Colombia uses the FBI's uniform crime reporting methods but for ANY place you have to ask that same question, I consider them a rough guide, no more, no less.

Tom, if you go to CB, do a search for Cali Barranquilla atracos and an article posted several weeks ago will come up from El Tiempo. They just reported that Cali is #1 in the country in atracos (muggings) and Barranquilla is #2. As for homicides per 100k, the latest data is Cali 60 BAQ 53 MDE 35 BOG 16. In comparison Rio was 45 for that same year (2006).

Having said that, the risk of muggings in Bogota is VERY real and not something to be taken lightly either, however taking common-sense precautions (like not being drunk alone on the street at night or taking a taxi parked RIGHT outside a nightclub nobody called for you, don't walk away from and come back to your drink etc.) will go a very long way towards preventing any problems.

Guerilla related activity, I doubt there's much of that anymore there. MDE AND the whole Carib coast are heavy paraco areas for that matter. And somehow I don't think an ISGer is going to be trapising around the peripherial areas of Bucaramanga and step on a land mine :P What Bogota (and EVERY OTHER CITY THERE) does have is gangs of ex-paras extorting and mugging people. I always recommend that people don't go south of the graveyard in Teusaquillo because THAT's where all the halfway houses where these people live are. Nobody would even WANT to do that anyways, there's really nothing there but houses :P

To be brutally frank, if you speak nothing else than English and only want p4p action I'd recommend just taking the longer flight to Rio and heading straight for the thermas where the price is fixed and security is tight and the girls are screened. Spanish is KEY in Colombia, everybody wants to speak it but very few people do. The better your Spanish, the more of Colombia will open up to you, regardless of the city. I went down there for the first time with what I THOUGHT was great Spanish only to realize how terribly we really speak Spanish in NY :P

Based on crime risk, I would DEFINITELY recommend Cartagena or Bogota for the newcomer to Colombia over any other place.

Winner71
05-13-07, 05:44
I agree with the names but not necessarily the descriptions. You are making it out like Barranquilleras are dark like people from Cartagena. That is incorrect.

Here's my take...
Barranquilleras are mainly triguena(olive skinned) and generally speaking have great asses, small in the tit department and are premiscuous and easier to get in the sack.

Calenas- again mainly triguenas and generally speaking have good asses and better tits than Barranquilleras. Calenas are known to be great amantes. I.e. married but sleep with others... this happens a lot in Barranquilla as well. But Colombianos would prefer to have a Calena amante because they are known to be more cuerpado. If you have to compare 2 groups I would say Barranquilleras and Calenas are the most similar, with gals from

Bucaramanga pretty similar to both Barranquilleras and Calenas in skin color.. but nowhere near Barrnaquilleras or Calenas in the ass department or attitude department.

Paisas- typically have the best tits. Due to plastic surgery their asses also now compare to Calenas and Barranquilleras. They are much harder to get in the sack though than a Barranquillera or a Calena. Whiter skin than any other city. A lot more attitude than a Barranquillera or Calena.

Cachacas- unfortuntely cachacas drink from a different water kettle. Generally speaking cachacas don't have ass or tits and are the worst in the attitude department. I.e. If a Colombiano (and many extranjeros) asks a cachaca in the street for directions... many won't even stop to reply.
Thing is.. even though cachacas have no tits, ass, and a bad atitude... she still beats the hell out of a gringa in all 3 departments. Ah.. and I should make a clarification. I am refering to a cachaca as a chica from Bogota... but as you pointed out a cachaca can also be the term a costena calls someone from anywhere except the coast. This is true. I should be using the term Rolo as you mentioned. It's just I'm so accustomed to living in Barranquilla and they call them Cacahacas and I do as they do... so. Rolo isnt really in my vocabulary.
chica from Cartagena- mainly black... but also many triguenas.
chica from Guajira- again triguenas and blacks.
And yes.. a costena is anyone from Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Cartagena, Valledupar, Guajira.

Attitude-wise a costena from anywhere typically has a much better attitude than anywhere else. But feature-wise... costenas differ in each of the cities. Ah.. .regarding attiutude to sex... like I said, Calenas are friendly toward it like a Costena. But, one that I left out.... chicas de Pereira... they are considered Paisas and white skinned and bodily features like a chica from Medellin. Difference... Chicas from Medellin.. .big attitude. Chicas from Pereira... tell her to sit down and she'll lie down and open her legs :-)




I'm gonna quote this and elaborate on it for the benefit of a poster who enquired in another section... remember you can change the 'o' at the end to an 'a' to make it feminine :P

Cachaco is a term used on the coast for people from anywhere in the Andean highlands, i.e. Bogota, Medellin, Manizales etc.

Costeño is a term for someone living in the Atlantic coast, Cartagena, Santa Marta, Barranquilla, Valledupar, etc. These people are usually mixed and look like what we would call mulattos. The Atlantic coast I believe encompasses the departments of Atlantico, Bolivar, Magdalena, and La Guajira, which is mostly rural.

Rolo means somebody native to Bogota. It is like Cockney is to London, and is NOT properly used for people outside of the city. Bogota is it's own district , Bogota DC (districto capital) like Washington DC. It is surrounded by the department of Cundinamarca. Many people in Bogota are NOT native Rolos, having come from other parts of the country. The Rolas GENERALLY have a Pocahontas look, but more yellow-skinned, long straight black hair, aquiline features, and fairly short by North American standards.

Bumengense(/a) is someone from Bucaramanga, capital of Santander department. They tend to be taller, brown skinned and big in the ass department (although that can be said about the Costeñas as well.)

Vallunos are people from the department of Valle de Cauca, which includes Cali. Vallunos can be any color but are generally darker. People from Buenaventura are VERY dark.

Chocoanos are people from the department of Chocó which is on the Pacific coast above Buenaventura, and are the darkest people in Colombia on average, many of them being 100% African descent.

Paisas (spelled the same regardless of gender) are people from the Eje Cafetero, Medellin and Manizales, and surrounding areas, encompassing mostly the departments of Antioquia, Caldas, and Quindio. They tend to be the tallest, slimmest, lightest-skinned people in Colombia. In terms of classical beauty Medellin is thought to have the prettiest women in Colombia, but if you like big ass, you might be disappointed.

The Bogota accent is very crisp and formal, and they speak VERY quickly. They often ADD s's onto the ends of words. The Costeños on the other hand speak a lot like Dominicans, and MISS s's for example 'nosotros' becomes 'nojotroj'. The Vallunos speak with a very round soft sensual accent, and the Paisas speak like they have marbles in their mouths and often turn 's' to 'sh' like the Galicians or Portuguese do.

Kongfuwu
05-13-07, 06:31
That is a very good list, one of the best I have ever seen. I would agree also with most of it. Fact is, no matter how much you explain it to people it does not sink in to a lot of their heads.

I met someone once who just had to go backpacking by himself. No matter what was said to him he was convinced all the poor people in the little towns were just good ol' folks who were down on their luck. He got robbed and beaten not far from Cartagena.

I know another guy who was so paranoid about the rest of Colombia he would never leave Cartagena. One night he got robbed by street bums in Central. This is so rare it is almost unheard of. But they must have smelled his fear just like they went after the old lady Italian tourist who they killed. They criminals prey on the weak and stupid.

There are other gringos living in the worse parts of Cali and Bogota. Some of these guys come from some type of criminal background in their own countries. They know how to interact well in those environments and never have a problem even in areas where no normal person would think of going at night. I know one guy who carries a 9mm in unimaginable ghettos just waiting for the opportunity to use it.

I read so many reports with so many perspectives that it becomes a mess of information where nothing is clear anymore. Myself, I lived in South Africa and Rio for several years. There is no city in Colombia I would consider anywhere as dangerous then these two places. Once you live in places like this you begin to sense where to go and where not to go, there really is no need for a guide.

Medellin, for instance, really is a picnic compared to Rio at night. I have walked around Poblado and Evigado at any hour with almost no concern about being robbed. In Rio, if you do not think about where you are going you have a very good chance of getting robbed whereas in Medellin it is the exception. Yet, there are plenty of guys who still talk about Medellin as being this big bad scary place. I am sure walking around in a strata 1 at night in Medellin would be suicide for most people. But who the hell would do that? There is no purpose to go into the ghetto. When I lived in the U.S. I did not go roaming the ghettos at night so why do it in Medellin? 95% of all the crime is happening in the ghetto not in the strata 5 or 6 areas.

Would I consider NYC safe? I would say yes it is. I have no problem walking around Manhattan any time of day or night. Would I go into the NY ghettos at night? Hell no! But that does not make me classify NYC as dangerous. If some guy who lived all his life in Idaho ventured to NYC for the first time, he might classify it wrongly as being unsafe. Maybe he would write to his wife and say "dear, it is very dangerous here! Lots of ghettos!".....but why did he go to the ghetto and not just stay in Manhatten? What happens in the ghettos is irrelevant if you do not go into them! This same logic as it applies to NYC also applies to cities in South America.

For myself, getting robbed in Cartagena is incomprehensible. In Medellin? Maybe if I had realllllllllllllly bad luck. Bogota? I have seen some scary looking street people who would probably stab me in the back if I let them. I just do not turn my back on these people and they turn away when they see you are not nervous. If I was walking around looking scared I would probably have been robbed once or twice in Bogota. Cali? I would say Cali has a very small area for gringos, and only experienced travellers should go there. I never had a problem but sometimes bullets go flying in the wrong direction just like they do in U.S. ghettos. Problem with Cali is most of it is borderline ghetto. Santa Marta? I could care less about those FARC guys or whoever they say is running the place now. FARC has no interest in myself. If I were to get kidnapped it would be a matter of verrrrrrrrrrrry bad luck. Barranquilla has a larger growing upper-class area now than it did 4 years ago. I feel perfectly safe around B.V. shopping area. But it changes fast. As soon as I start seeing locos hanging around I know it is time to turn around.

For a newbie, I would say go to Cartagena, Santa Marta or Medellin and not to worry too much unless you are stupid. But the problem is stupid people do not realize they are stupid, in fact, most think they are very smart. So lets say newbies from Idaho. If you are a first timer from Idaho, here are the places to go. Go to Cartagena but stay in Bocogande and Laguito. Go into central only with another friend because you might find the 7 year old kids intimidating. Go to Santa Marta but only stay in Rodadero or one of the beach resorts. Go to Medellin but stay in Poblado. After you have done these things once, venture out a little more.

Finally, what really cracks me up is how tender and sweet the girls are from some of these areas yet the gringos are PAR-A-NOID. I know tiny 18 year old girls who are afraid of spiders but live in some of the worse areas of Barranquilla and Medellin. They go to their homes without fear. It is true that a local is less likely to get robbed than a gringo but still the locos know these girls have money. I know one girl who is about 85 pounds from a strata 2 in Medellin. She said if the locos bother her she kicks them in the balls and screams. On the other hand, I still read about big fat gringos who are afraid to leave Bocogrande.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Hoof Hunter
05-13-07, 08:31
Not trying to antagonize you. You make some great points. However, with Colombia, you really need to consider the source.

Point in fact, how many Colombians do you know who actually report street crimes to the police? El Tiempo or whoever can use FBI techniques. But Colombians are NOT contacting the police over crimes like people in the USA. Therefore, that info is pretty skewed. To be honest, the rare times that I recall police being called is when something happens to a gringo.

I put more faith the word of mouth of locals, and my own experiences, much moreso than stats.

FoxesHunter
05-13-07, 12:20
Chicas from Pereira... tell her to sit down and she'll lie down and open her legs :-)

I'm sorry I don't agree with you. I am chatting with many peoples around Colombia and they tell me Girls of Perira are more shy compared to girls of Barranquilla. Perhaps the girls of Pereira are less shy when you meet them outside Pereira, in other towns. ;)