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Tom Cruze
09-28-07, 03:21
Hey guys,

I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?

Thanks

Tom Cruze
09-28-07, 03:58
One more question: what's your best approach in testing a chica you met and assume she is a non-pro to see if she would go for P4P without blowing the situation?

Cachorro
09-28-07, 21:36
One more question: what's your best approach in testing a chica you met and assume she is a non-pro to see if she would go for P4P without blowing the situation?
Meet up with her in person and bring a Colombian friend of yours who is a fast talker, hustler type. Male or female, doesn't matter. Pour some drinks. After a while, your friend propositions the girl discreetly "this is what X wants, but he is too polite to ask...". If the girl gets upset, you can say your friend did not talk to you first and was trying to do you a favor, but misinterpreted what you wanted. If she gets angry, you can say "sorry that this happened, let's never hang out with (friend) again".

Another idea. Talk to her in a general sense "I have heard that sometimes people in Colombia do..." (describe the prepago thing). See what her reaction is. If she isn't telling straight away, you can ask if she has friends that think it's OK, or something. Once you get her stated opinion, you decide whether to make a play or not.

If you want to hit her up for a prepago thing, do it without delay (not too many dates).

Key words to use if you are discussing this kind of thing:
regalo (gift)
pasarla bien (have a good time)
motel (love motel)

Talk about what a nice person you are, I'm easygoing blah blah blah. You want her to visualize that it will be a good time, you'll be respectful and nothing problematic is going to happen.

Tom Cruze
09-29-07, 00:44
Meet up with her in person and bring a Colombian friend of yours who is a fast talker, hustler type. Male or female, doesn't matter. Pour some drinks. After a while, your friend propositions the girl discreetly "this is what X wants, but he is too polite to ask...". If the girl gets upset, you can say your friend did not talk to you first and was trying to do you a favor, but misinterpreted what you wanted. If she gets angry, you can say "sorry that this happened, let's never hang out with (friend) again".

Another idea. Talk to her in a general sense "I have heard that sometimes people in Colombia do..." (describe the prepago thing). See what her reaction is. If she isn't telling straight away, you can ask if she has friends that think it's OK, or something. Once you get her stated opinion, you decide whether to make a play or not.

If you want to hit her up for a prepago thing, do it without delay (not too many dates).

Key words to use if you are discussing this kind of thing:
regalo (gift)
pasarla bien (have a good time)
motel (love motel)

Talk about what a nice person you are, I'm easygoing blah blah blah. You want her to visualize that it will be a good time, you'll be respectful and nothing problematic is going to happen.Dude, this is super advice. Many gracias a ti.

Tom 33
09-29-07, 14:55
I think it was the rise that was unexpected, as least by me, not the drop. What caused the usd to suddenly gain some strength against the cop?

Now back under 2000: We seem to be on the road to resumption of toilet-paper dollar normality:

http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=usdcop=x;range=3m;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined
Don't believe everything you read. I made ATM withdrawals the last 2 days and got over 2000 each time.

Tom 33
09-29-07, 14:57
Hey guys,

I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?

Thanks
Split the bill? Jejejeje. No lo creo en Colombia.

Bimbo Boy
09-29-07, 17:14
The lesson there, is that it is much safer to go out in strange places with a wingman that can take care of you if things go wrong ...
Regards. BB.

Tom Cruze
10-08-07, 19:44
Split the bill? Jejejeje. No lo creo en Colombia.Okay, so I have a question for you more experienced guys with this situation.

Is it a given that if you pay for a chica's airfare into town she knows what she is getting into, i.e., your gonna bang her throughout her stay?

Malodr
10-09-07, 01:14
Okay, so I have a question for you more experienced guys with this situation.

Is it a given that if you pay for a chica's airfare into town she knows what she is getting into, i.e., your gonna bang her throughout her stay?Nothing is ever a given there or antwhere else. She might be using you as a way to get to see family there.

Tom 33
10-09-07, 01:56
Okay, so I have a question for you more experienced guys with this situation.

Is it a given that if you pay for a chica's airfare into town she knows what she is getting into, i.e., your gonna bang her throughout her stay?
Under most circumstances, yes. However, she will not behave like your puta. You won't get her to suck and fuck on demand. You will have to schmooze her a little.

The answer above assumes that you know the girl and have spent some time with her in the past. If you are talking about an Internet novia, she might be a 14-year-old boy. All bets are off.

Ricker
10-09-07, 03:28
Hey guys,

I have a quick question I could use your help on: What is the best way to handle meeting chica from another city, e.g., from Bucaramanga? Fly her in on my dime, split the bill, or other approach?

Thanks

Much easier just to go see her. If it doesn't work out with her, you can easily escape, explore the city, go back home.
It's just easier.

If this is a chica you met on the internet, and it's a first meeting, I'd definitely recommned you visit her. They are rarely what you expect.

Good luck amigo!

Winner71
10-09-07, 04:09
I agree.. just go see her. Truth is, chances are you may hit it off and yes you will be like novias and it should be a rather easy lay even if you have no game. Thing is, you may find that you wish you weren't with her 24/7 and wish you had the opportunity to explore with other chicas. Fly her in and you don't have that option. I agree with el Maestro Ricker, just go see her.

hmmmm... I met the love of my life online... cybercupido to be exact (don't tell Nibu). That was before I had the secret Ricker manual.



Much easier just to go see her. If it doesn't work out with her, you can easily escape, explore the city, go back home.
It's just easier.

If this is a chica you met on the internet, and it's a first meeting, I'd definitely recommned you visit her. They are rarely what you expect.

Good luck amigo!

MiamiHeatLuver
10-17-07, 18:34
"CITIBANK Introduces Foreign ATM Fee
Those damned thieving banks are raising there levels of thievery again. The moment I have been dreading has arrived.

Citibank this week introduced a foreign ATM fee of Gs25,000($US5). I was using a VISA card from the US.

I was given a message announcing the charge and an opportunity to cancel, which I did. I then went to an ABM-AMRO and extracted money there. There was no message of a fee, the ATM operated in a normal fashion, so I assume there was none until I can check the account.

It looks like Citibank is leading the pack in robbery. I fear the other banks will follow. Avoidance of ATM fees is becoming an ever bigger issue. If I were to use my Wells FEEgo card(God forbid) to withdraw $US400(an amount still possible here) it would cost me:

Wells FEEgo: Foreign ATM=$5, International Transaction 3%=$12, Total=$17
Visa foreign currency 1%= $4
Citibank foreign ATM= $5
Grand total= $US26 to extract $US400!!! = 6.5%

At a time they are paying <1% per YEAR for checking interest.

And as the banks create greater monopolies, they get harder to avoid. Another classic example of robbing the little people. Thank the corporate imperialists in power"


Is this true in COLOMBIA as well? It must be,, but I was just there last week and it was still 1% at CITIBANK.

Who and what bank are people using to get money out? and at what rate is overall is the "best" for instance 500k pesos at a time?

Winner71
10-17-07, 19:39
When using ATM's in Colombia I use both my Compass and Wells Fargo ATM cards. I have found that Compass is better. I typically make all my withdrawals from a Davienda ATM(about 90% of the time)

With Compass I am charged no fees from the other ATM or by Compass. however 1% is taken out of the calcualtion, which is that 1% Visa fee.

With Wells Fargo I am charged $5.00 (only 1 time) and the rate is better sometimes for some odd reason than I get with my Compass ATM so I came to the conclusion that they either do not take out the 1% Visa fee. Or it could be that maybe one bank uses the rate at the end of the day while the other maybe uses the previous days or next days rate.


Regardless, if you do like me... which is take out the max on each withdrawal (500k pesos at Davienda) then Compass is the best bet as that comes out to the only fee being the 1% visa fee which is 5k pesos. If you use Wells Fargo then it's a $5 fee and like I said, I don't think I'm being hit that 1% fee. I tracked it for many months.

As for the example you copy and pasted??? Can't vouch for it. Granted I have not experimented with this in the last 4 months. But for the last 4 years this has been my experience.

I was considering getting a Citibank card thinking I would not be charged anything (solely because I really just do not like Compass Bank... for other reasons). However, if I am going to be hit with fees on top of the 1% customary Visa fee, I will not. Based on your post, it sounds like that is the case. Anyone else use Citibank that can fill us in.



"CITIBANK Introduces Foreign ATM Fee
Those damned thieving banks are raising there levels of thievery again. The moment I have been dreading has arrived.

Citibank this week introduced a foreign ATM fee of Gs25,000($US5). I was using a VISA card from the US.

I was given a message announcing the charge and an opportunity to cancel, which I did. I then went to an ABM-AMRO and extracted money there. There was no message of a fee, the ATM operated in a normal fashion, so I assume there was none until I can check the account.

It looks like Citibank is leading the pack in robbery. I fear the other banks will follow. Avoidance of ATM fees is becoming an ever bigger issue. If I were to use my Wells FEEgo card(God forbid) to withdraw $US400(an amount still possible here) it would cost me:

Wells FEEgo: Foreign ATM=$5, International Transaction 3%=$12, Total=$17
Visa foreign currency 1%= $4
Citibank foreign ATM= $5
Grand total= $US26 to extract $US400!!! = 6.5%

At a time they are paying <1% per YEAR for checking interest.

And as the banks create greater monopolies, they get harder to avoid. Another classic example of robbing the little people. Thank the corporate imperialists in power"


Is this true in COLOMBIA as well? It must be,, but I was just there last week and it was still 1% at CITIBANK.

Who and what bank are people using to get money out? and at what rate is overall is the "best" for instance 500k pesos at a time?

Tom 33
10-17-07, 22:49
I use CapitalOne for both credit and debit transactions. For the debit transactions, I have a money market account that pays around 5% interest. You can also write 5 checks on that account per month. Neither type of transaction costs anything. There is no 1% foreign transaction fee nor is there a flat fee. The exchange rate approximates the Interbank rate.

The debit card belongs only to the Plus network. So far I have been able to use the card at Bancafe(recently purchased by Davivienda), BBVA, and AV Villas. I have seen other ATMs that advertise the Plus network. Some of those do not accept my card.

Bonhead
10-17-07, 23:15
Here is a fairly definite source for information related to ATM and Forex Fees:
http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange

Blunderer
10-17-07, 23:45
Anyone tried opening a local bank account and using http://xe.com/fx

It wouldn't be worth it for a short term stay, but for more than a couple of weeks, it could be a bit of a winner, you'd just withdraw money from your local card rather than your foreign one.

Kukulkan
10-18-07, 04:02
I use CapitalOne for both credit and debit transactions. For the debit transactions, I have a money market account that pays around 5% interest. You can also write 5 checks on that account per month. Neither type of transaction costs anything. There is no 1% foreign transaction fee nor is there a flat fee. The exchange rate approximates the Interbank rate.

The debit card belongs only to the Plus network. So far I have been able to use the card at Bancafe(recently purchased by Davivienda), BBVA, and AV Villas. I have seen other ATMs that advertise the Plus network. Some of those do not accept my card.How Much Money can you take per transaction?

And how much is the max money you can take each day.

Thanks Tom Tom

Glad to know you are back in pussyland.

Kukulkan

Tom 33
10-18-07, 10:19
Anyone tried opening a local bank account and using http://xe.com/fx

It wouldn't be worth it for a short term stay, but for more than a couple of weeks, it could be a bit of a winner, you'd just withdraw money from your local card rather than your foreign one.
Don't even think about trying to open a Colombian bank account unless you have a VISA.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-18-07, 20:40
ok, So after talking to a CITIBANK supervisor on the phone for a half hour and being clear as day with him, he gave me a list of countries that charge a 1% fee for withdrawing money or some branches will charge ZERO fees. He told me it really depends on the branch. SO not believing anything anybody tells me on the phone, I GO IN TO THE BRANCH and wait in line to speak to a Customer service rep, NOW she seems to concur, that it really depends on the individual branch and she is not aware of ANY CITIBANK % hikes in the near future as well. AND this seem to concur with my bank statement where I have withdrawn MANY pesos at the CITIBANK'S on Ave Poblado for NO CHARGE.. the one at the Blockbuster and the one a little North of Oviedo Mall on the main calle Poblado.. NOW she said for sure the best exchange rate always would 9 out of 10 times be at CITIBANK and she could not confirm IF THE EXCHANGE FEE was built into the transaction, but it didnt seem so since the exchange was right on and pretty good!

10-09 ATM CASH WITHDRAWAL
Cra 43 A No1A Sur49 Medel $ 50.20
10-09 ATM CASH WITHDRAWAL
BCO INDUST. COLOMBIANO POBLAD $ 148.65
10-09 ATM CASH WITHDRAWAL
Cra 43 A No1A Sur49 Medel $ 250.82
10-09 ATM CASH WITHDRAWAL
Cra 43 A No1A Sur49 Medel $ 401.64

MiamiHeatLuver
10-18-07, 20:49
Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much abliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards!

Acuerpado
10-18-07, 21:39
I have no experience sending a vehicle from the US to Colombia.

However, I shipped an SUV from Miami to Puerto Barrios, Guatemala 2 years ago. I wouldn't do it again.

Clearing U.S. customs is made infinitely more easy by using the services of shipping agent in the U.S. My vehicle was shipped with Seaboard Marine (www.seaboardmarine.com), which also has routes to Colombia. The actual cost of paying the shipping agent and the shipping company is reasonable. However, in Guatemala i had to pay an exorbitant tax rate before my Chevy cleared customs. If you're going to be in CTG or BAQ anytime soon, i suggest you go to the Seaboard Marine office, make friends with a cute girl that works there, and have her explain the entire process once the vehicle arrives there. That was what I did in Guatemala.

If I ever spend an extended period in Colombia, I'll buy a vehicle there, which will save lots of money and tons of headache.

Hopefully, someone else here will have info on this tax required to bring a foreign vehicle into Colombia.

Tom 33
10-19-07, 00:35
How Much Money can you take per transaction?

And how much is the max money you can take each day.

Thanks Tom Tom

Glad to know you are back in pussyland.

Kukulkan
The ATM sets the amount per transaction. However, when there is no cost, the amount per transaction is irrelevant. I can withdraw up to US$500 per day.

Hoof Hunter
10-19-07, 00:41
Not worth it. Not much of a decision.

Stick with the basics (taxis/buses/planes). If determined to drive, you can rent there at astronomical rates. Combined, however, still would be a small fraction of what you'll pay trying to ship it to Colombia THEN trying to claim it from customs, both ways. Not even close. Then there's the insurance deal.

It's been discussed many times on the non-monger boards.


Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much abliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards!

Tom 33
10-19-07, 00:41
Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much abliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards!
Taxis and buses are cheap. Shipping a car is not. And hassling with aduana is a nightmare. The import tax is punishing.

And Colombia is not yet safe enough for you to be driving all over between cities. How much is your ass worth?

However, there is a bill pending in the Colombian legislature that would eliminate the import tax in your situation. When or if the bill will pass is anyone's guess.

SpiderMonkey
10-19-07, 00:56
Taxis and buses are cheap. Shipping a car is not. And hassling with aduana is a nightmare. The import tax is punishing.

And Colombia is not yet safe enough for you to be driving all over between cities. How much is your ass worth?

However, there is a bill pending in the Colombian legislature that would eliminate the import tax in your situation. When or if the bill will pass is anyone's guess. Tom,

Lets not forget that most warrantys are voided when exiting a country. Something to ckeck into gents.

Spider

Bango Cheito
10-19-07, 04:19
IMHO you'd have to be crazy to want to drive down there PERIOD. Stick to taxis and public transport.

Kukulkan
10-19-07, 04:41
The ATM sets the amount per transaction. However, when there is no cost, the amount per transaction is irrelevant. I can withdraw up to US$500 per day.Thank's One more time, tom, I gat the same from my bank, I use one time my Mexican Account, ATM, and I get fuck big time, someone, gat the number and password, and they drain about 5 G USD 50, 000. 00 mexican pesos, Thats was 5 years a go, I stick whit the USA Acount, no problem since that F*****G day

Kukulkan

I did get my money back From Banamex

Jericho10
10-20-07, 01:10
Can anyone provide any info on what countries can Colombians go without a formal Visa, e. G, Panama? By a formal Visa, I mean one that has to be submitted months in advance. I've read that Colombians can go to Panama and purchase something like a tourist visa at the airport. I would like to take my novia on vacation to some nice resort area, or maybe on a cruise. She already has her passport. Thanks for any info.

Ted Nugent
10-20-07, 09:46
Can anyone help me with a basic issue?

I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.

As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.

Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.

What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?

What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?

Tom 33
10-20-07, 11:58
Can anyone provide any info on what countries can Colombians go without a formal Visa, e. G, Panama? By a formal Visa, I mean one that has to be submitted months in advance. I've read that Colombians can go to Panama and purchase something like a tourist visa at the airport. I would like to take my novia on vacation to some nice resort area, or maybe on a cruise. She already has her passport. Thanks for any info.
Go to San Andreas Island. It is just off the coast of Nicaragua, but it is part of Colombia.

LocoGringo
10-20-07, 12:48
Colombians do not need a Visa to go to Brazil, only certain innoculations required if you have been in Colombia recently. Avianca has flights, use your ff miles and it is nice to have a openminded girlfriend in Brazil. I do not believe that Argentina, Peru or most of the South American countries require a Visa. Barbados also does not require one. Unless you are a diver not a lot to do in San Andres, imho.

Jericho10
10-21-07, 00:17
Thanks LocoGringo and Tom,

I have a timeshare that I exchange to go to various places. I used it to take my novia and her kids to Santa Marta this past summer. (Yes, I had fun w/ her even w/ the kids along.) I plan to use to to try and go to San Andreas, Cartegena, Panama, and maybe some of these other places.


Colombians do not need a Visa to go to Brazil, only certain innoculations required if you have been in Colombia recently. Avianca has flights, use your ff miles and it is nice to have a openminded girlfriend in Brazil. I do not believe that Argentina, Peru or most of the South American countries require a Visa. Barbados also does not require one. Unless you are a diver not a lot to do in San Andres, imho.

Cachorro
10-21-07, 00:32
Can anyone help me with a basic issue?

I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.

As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.

Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.

What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?

What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?
Just buy the phone in Colombia.

All you need is to bring a passport and make one photocopy of it for them to keep. Go to any shopping mall, choose a phone and get it activated on the spot. $50 will get you a good brand, low end phone, complete with a phone number and some call credit.

Even if you brought the phone with you, you'd have to go through this same process to get a local Colombian phone number.

Kdogg21
10-21-07, 02:23
Can anyone help me with a basic issue?

I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.

As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.

Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.

What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?

What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?
Get a quad band and you will have no trouble with frequencies.

Jericho10
10-21-07, 03:02
Get a quad band phone, as you'll be able to use it whereever GSM is available, including AT&T/TMobil in the US. I got a quad band Moto Razr V3 from Amazon.com also, and it works fine. My novia helped me get a SIM card. The Motorola website also sells unlocked phones, for a little more. You want want to consider buying it from them as you'll have the Motorola OEM warranty. Also my phone was set to some weird oriental language and I would have had trouble setting it to English. My novia asked the sales person who sold me a SIM card to help. She opened up a similar brand new phone and by comparing the menu commands side by side was able to switch it to English. With my limited espanol, I would have had trouble explaining/asking for this kind of help.

Buena suerte


Can anyone help me with a basic issue?

I've always hated cell phones, I still hate cell phones and I always will hate cell phones.

As a pragmatist, however, I finally admit and recognize that a cell phone is nearly a necessity in Colombia.

Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.

What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?

What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?

Phunluv
10-21-07, 07:42
Amazon.com now offers unlocked cell phones with a 90-day warranty. I want to buy an unlocked cell phone for usage in Colombia.

What type of unlocked cell phone should I buy for usage in Colombia?

What GSM frequency is used in Colombia?You can also shop around for unlocked cell phones on eBay. Colombia uses the same GSM frequencies as the U.S. so almost any modern GSM phone that works in the states should work down there as long as it's unlocked. But follow kdogg's advise, a quad-phone is usable pretty much anywhere, including the EU and Asia.

I hate cell phones too. . . the phones may be relatively cheap there, but calls are expensive especially Comcel which has the best coverage (at least in Medellin, could be different in other cities). So yes, get a cheap cell phone, but also use the street vendors where the prices are 200 to 300 pesos a minute. Those are the cheapest rates that I've seen out there. Calling from your cell will be significantly more than that, especially with Comcel.

By the way, I still use my Skype account whenever I can even IN Colombia because the highest rate I've been charged is 10 cents a minute (about 200 pesos) for cell phones. So try to make as many cellular calls as you can from your laptop when you're still in your apartment, or from the street vendors. If your apt. has a land-line, you can make local calls of course to other land lines but it's not common to be able to call cell phones from a land line, just too expensive for most Colombians, that's why I say just use Skype in your apartment for calling cell phones. You can make any type of call if you're staying in a nice hotel but you will pay premium for that.

I'd advise NOT to bring an expensive phone, I lost my Motorola SLVR L2 partying late one night with my buddies, which I got for around $75 on eBay. At least it wasn't my $300 Nokia smartphone but it still was an ouch. As much as Colombians love their fancy cell phones, it's just not worth the potential grief and cost for foreign visitors to bring a top-of-the-line cell, you're going to end up worried half the time about losing it or having it stolen. There are other ways to impress your colombiana date. ;)

Phunluv
10-21-07, 08:04
Im thinking about spending next summer in COLOMBIA between MDE and CLO, Is it worth trying to ship my SUV down there? I mean fly to SANTA MARTA or CTG or Baranquilla and pick it up, then drive it from there. Im thinking ALL the $$$ i will be spending on TAXIS and flights or buses will be recouped on the shipping process.. Of course there will be some kind of contract that I will be sending it back upon my departure.. Ive never seen this brought-up here in the forums and if anybody has any link or info, it would be much obliged. Or if its just NOT worth it.. regards!Don't mean to rag on you but weren't you boasting about a 3 pop TLN for 90K pesos? But now you're willing to spend 9 million pesos (or more!) to bring an SUV to Colombia?? It's funny how some guys will haggle with a puta for 10K pesos (pride and ego thing I guess) but the wallet is wide open for other stuff. :) I think the import duty/tax for cars is 20 or 30 percent so that alone is crazy not to mention the cost of transporting it and dealing with the locals involved in the whole process. Yuck, not my idea of a fun vacation. If you want to blow millions of pesos, better off using a private driver all the time or just fly between the cities.

You live in Miami right? If you've flown on Avianca and have a freq. flyer account with them, you should have enough miles for a free internal flight or two. I have 30K plus miles on Avianca and if I had an extended stay, I'd definitely use them up to get me around.

Also, as someone mentioned already, the roads between the cities can be pretty iffy in some spots. Why risk damaging your car on unfamiliar roads? And let's not forget the crazy local drivers whether camionetas or cochecitos. Ever went with a group of friends out to a finca for the weekend? I can't imagine driving those roads myself, too stressful, I'd gladly take the bus which is far far cheaper. Who wants hassles when they're on vacation?

Finally, you mentioned once you're part Asian. An Asian looking guy driving an SUV on rural roads from Cali to Medellin?? That ain't low profile. I know Colombia isn't as dangerous as it used to be, but I'd say it's still the smart thing to do to keep a low profile, especially if you plan on staying for a couple of months.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-21-07, 13:44
Don't mean to rag on you but weren't you boasting about a 3 pop TLN for 90K pesos? But now you're willing to spend 9 million pesos (or more!) to bring an SUV to Colombia?? It's funny how some guys will haggle with a puta for 10K pesos (pride and ego thing I guess) but the wallet is wide open for other stuff. :) I think the import duty/tax for cars is 20 or 30 percent so that alone is crazy not to mention the cost of transporting it and dealing with the locals involved in the whole process. Yuck, not my idea of a fun vacation. If you want to blow millions of pesos, better off using a private driver all the time or just fly between the cities.

You live in Miami right? If you've flown on Avianca and have a freq. flyer account with them, you should have enough miles for a free internal flight or two. I have 30K plus miles on Avianca and if I had an extended stay, I'd definitely use them up to get me around.

Also, as someone mentioned already, the roads between the cities can be pretty iffy in some spots. Why risk damaging your car on unfamiliar roads? And let's not forget the crazy local drivers whether camionetas or cochecitos. Ever went with a group of friends out to a finca for the weekend? I can't imagine driving those roads myself, too stressful, I'd gladly take the bus which is far far cheaper. Who wants hassles when they're on vacation?

Finally, you mentioned once you're part Asian. An Asian looking guy driving an SUV on rural roads from Cali to Medellin?? That ain't low profile. I know Colombia isn't as dangerous as it used to be, but I'd say it's still the smart thing to do to keep a low profile, especially if you plan on staying for a couple of months.

How can you "rag" on me? I dont even know you! I try not to take any information shared here personally. How you can let some words written about you(sometimes condecending) in a sex-forum bother you is beyond me. First of all, the bringing my car down, it was just a question, and I dont know if other people have done it or if its feasable monetarily wise. I dont know or didnt know if it would be 9mil pesos if thats what you say it is plus shipping. People told me hear that its not worth it so most likely I will shun it. I have driven all over Peru and have been to Colombia long enough and enough times where I was ready to give it a shot. 2nd 80 TLN should be comon ground, Not a boast. lol, funny I dont remember a "gloating" tone in that post, just stating the facts. p.s I fly A.A. because of the miles I get using my A.A. business credit card. lol

Ricker
10-21-07, 15:40
...
I hate cell phones too. . . the phones may be relatively cheap there, but calls are expensive especially Comcel which has the best coverage (at least in Medellin, could be different in other cities). So yes, get a cheap cell phone, but also use the street vendors where the prices are 200 to 300 pesos a minute. Those are the cheapest rates that I've seen out there. Calling from your cell will be significantly more than that, especially with Comcel ...


I'm not sure what the hatred of cel phones is all about ... but ...
I personally love the cel phone. You're right, the useage rates can be high, big deal, just don't chat away.

I'm saying the obvious here, but the cel is great for storing chicas numbers and info, taxistas, etc, etc.

Like you say, use the street vendor phones to make your calls when able, but have your cel to store your info and have as a backup.

I actually have 2 colombian cels. One I keep as a backup to store important numbers just in case the other gets lost / stolen.

Make sure you're good at putting the cel on silent mode though. Don't want to have your cel ringing away when you're with another chica :)

One of the first things I get for a new guy I bring to Colombia is a cel phone ... almost essential if you're into meeting and going out with various chicas.

Take care amigos :)

Cubanut
10-21-07, 15:47
Gents,

I hope someone can assist:

A friend of mine has a container full of furniture that he wants to bring to Medellin. He has been told of a few places that supposedly can do it. However, he has some reserves about who to go with.

So the question is: Has anyone (or anyone you know) actually had a container shipped to Colombia successfully and with little to no problem? If so can you post something here or pass along a contact number or email to my friend to get some general info as to who was used and how they did. Or you can e-mail me at cuba_nut@yahoo.com


Thanks,


Cubanut

MiamiHeatLuver
10-21-07, 16:00
Gents,

I hope someone can assist:

A friend of mine has a container full of furniture that he wants to bring to Medellin. He has been told of a few places that supposedly can do it. However, he has some reserves about who to go with.

So the question is: Has anyone (or anyone you know) actually had a container shipped to Colombia successfully and with little to no problem? If so can you post something here or pass along a contact number or email to my friend to get some general info as to who was used and how they did. Or you can e-mail me at cuba_nut@yahoo.com


Thanks,


Cubanut

This place was given to me by ACUERPADO! www.seaboardmarine.com

Phunluv
10-21-07, 17:22
i'm not sure what the hatred of cel phones is all about ... but ...
i personally love the cel phone. you're right, the useage rates can be high, big deal, just don't chat away.

i'm saying the obvious here, but the cel is great for storing chicas numbers and info, taxistas, etc, etc.

like you say, use the street vendor phones to make your calls when able, but have your cel to store your info and have as a backup.

i actually have 2 colombian cels. one i keep as a backup to store important numbers just in case the other gets lost / stolen.

make sure you're good at putting the cel on silent mode though. don't want to have your cel ringing away when you're with another chica :)

one of the first things i get for a new guy i bring to colombia is a cel phone ... almost essential if you're into meeting and going out with various chicas.

take care amigos :)i agree with you 110% about the importance of cell phones. maybe hate is too strong a word, i'm just not a chit-chat type of person so i've never really cared for cell phones. it's just one more thing to carry and keep track of which i find annoying sometimes, i like a simple life. :)

notice how you rarely see colombianos blab away on their cell phones unlike the states. many chicas want that flashy motorola razr, but they'll rarely call you on it, just "timbrar" ha! even high-estrata colombianos, they love to sport their flashy phones, but when it comes to having minutes, well that's a different story. ;)

just a pet peeve of mine, imho the cell phone business is a racket in that country. everything else in colombia is so affordable like food, taxis, and chicas. it's just crazy to me that hiring a taxista for an hour costs far far less than 60 min on a cell. at least that's the way i look at it! people don't want to overpay the chicas. . . i say yes to that of course but i don't want to make the cell phone companies rich either, you can easily blow a lot of money in minutes because all these chicas expect you to call them, they will usually only "timbrar" you.

yes, do bring a backup phone and do know your silent mode. i also keep all important #s and contacts online and on my laptop, not to mention a hard copy.

Phunluv
10-21-07, 17:32
First of all, the bringing my car down, it was just a question, and I dont know if other people have done it or if its feasable monetarily wise. I dont know or didnt know if it would be 9mil pesos if thats what you say it is plus shipping. People told me hear that its not worth it so most likely I will shun it.I figure your SUV would be valued at least 20K USD so that's $4000 in import taxes given a 20% rate but it could be way higher, say 30%, I honestly don't remember. That's where I got the 9 million COP estimate. But it could be even way higher than that which is just crazy. Just think of all the 80-100K COP TLNs you could get for that kind of money!! ;) As for the other stuff, it just seemed amusing the juxtaposition of a 90K COP TLN and the $money$ (and hassle!) involved in importing a car, that's why I posted, no offense intended.

Bango Cheito
10-22-07, 04:47
i hope nobody in admin minds, but this would be an appropriate place to plug the discussion forum at www.colombianblog.com ... i mod the "moving to colombia" section there and am very proud of it, it's an excellent resource.

my personal take as somebody who is just some months away from moving to colombia more or less permanently--- take as little with you as possible, there is almost nothing in colombia that you can't buy at the same price or cheaper than the us. at any rate, twice moved = once burnt down in the best of circumstances. and colombian customs is a ***** from hell on wheels and steroids, horror stories abound about people getting shit permanently confirep001ed and auctioned off.

as for shipping a new or even fairly new suv

-it won't fit in practically any colombian parking space and won't even fit on some roads
-it will get trashed all to hell within a year if you use it for going back and forth from the coast
-there's a possibility that it may be stolen
-unless you are used to driving in a place like colombia you also have an elevated risk of getting into an accident
-you will not save money over other methods of transportation. gas is expensive in colombia and so are tolls etc. for many destinations, unless you are filling your car up with people and getting everybody to split the costs (fat fucking chance of that), you can wind up paying more to get there by car than you would getting a ticket on a top of the line bus to the same destination, this not taking into account wear and tear or any other of the above points.

Ted Nugent
10-22-07, 05:24
Thanks to all those who helped regarding cell phones in Colombia. Based on the input, I guess I'll buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR in the U. S. And buy a SIM card in Colombia. Thanks, Cachorro, for the tip about the passport and photocopy. You saved me a runaround.

Ricker, I realized a long time ago that people (especially Colombians) don't understand why I hate cell phones. For example, let's say I go to a popular American sports bar. When I go to a sports bar, I go to watch sports or to talk to the people I'm with (or both). I guess I'm weird because everybody else in the bar isn't watching sports or talking to the people that they are with. It seems like everyone is having separate inane conversations on their individual cell phones with people that aren't there. To me, that's absurd.

Start listening to the ubiquitous cell phone conversations of Americans that take place around you all day, everyday. What percentage of those conversations are intelligent or constructive?

In Colombia, the situation is even more absurd. You see Colombians with the latest and greatest cell phones, but they don't have 20K pesos in the bank. They don't even have money for usage of their cell phones. It seems like their priorities are a little screwed up.

Image is everything in Colombia.

And it's not just cell phones. Has anybody noticed the "Old Parr" craze in Colombia? I'm not a scotch drinker, but I doubt that that Old Parr is a good brand of scotch. Any scotch drinkers here? Colombians are adamant that Old Parr is the apex of the liquor universe. Of course, they erroneously call it whiskey instead of scotch. Don't bother trying to inform them that Chivas is a better brand of scotch. And trying to explain that you prefer rum (or vodka or gin) is wasted effort. If you don't buy a bottle of Old Parr, then Colombians assume you must be destitute. Despite the fact that you've been partying every night in Colombia for months.

At any rate, I admit defeat. I am a pragmatist. I am officially laying down my sword, and I am going to become a superficial slave to fashion like most Colombians. I am going to buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR for usage in Colombia. I am tired of explaining to Colombians that I am not destitute because I dislike cell phones. Which ought to be obvious due to the length of my stays in Colombia and my choice of hotels, but Colombian analytical abilities are often lacking. In fact, phone calls to cell phones from my hotel room are far more costly than buying a cell phone and using a cell phone.

Sorry for the rant, and thanks again to those who helped.

Ricker
10-22-07, 12:20
... Ricker, I realized a long time ago that people (especially Colombians) don't understand why I hate cell phones. For example, let's say I go to a popular American sports bar. When I go to a sports bar, I go to watch sports or to talk to the people I'm with (or both). I guess I'm weird because everybody else in the bar isn't watching sports or talking to the people that they are with. It seems like everyone is having separate inane conversations on their individual cell phones with people that aren't there. To me, that's absurd.

Start listening to the ubiquitous cell phone conversations of Americans that take place around you all day, everyday. What percentage of those conversations are intelligent or constructive?

In Colombia, the situation is even more absurd. You see Colombians with the latest and greatest cell phones, but they don't have 20K pesos in the bank. They don't even have money for usage of their cell phones. It seems like their priorities are a little screwed up.

Image is everything in Colombia ...


Like I said before, for me having a cel phone is essential. I don't carry one for image, I carry one because it's a great tool to have.

However, you are sooooo right on about some people who just have to be talking on their phones ... everywhere. And why do they have to talk so loud? Like we all want to hear their conversation.

It's not the cel phone that's ridiculous, it's the dummy that's using it :)

MiamiHeatLuver
10-22-07, 15:15
Thanks to all those who helped regarding cell phones in Colombia. Based on the input, I guess I'll buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR in the U. S. And buy a SIM card in Colombia. Thanks, Cachorro, for the tip about the passport and photocopy. You saved me a runaround.

Ricker, I realized a long time ago that people (especially Colombians) don't understand why I hate cell phones. For example, let's say I go to a popular American sports bar. When I go to a sports bar, I go to watch sports or to talk to the people I'm with (or both). I guess I'm weird because everybody else in the bar isn't watching sports or talking to the people that they are with. It seems like everyone is having separate inane conversations on their individual cell phones with people that aren't there. To me, that's absurd.

Start listening to the ubiquitous cell phone conversations of Americans that take place around you all day, everyday. What percentage of those conversations are intelligent or constructive?

In Colombia, the situation is even more absurd. You see Colombians with the latest and greatest cell phones, but they don't have 20K pesos in the bank. They don't even have money for usage of their cell phones. It seems like their priorities are a little screwed up.

Image is everything in Colombia.

And it's not just cell phones. Has anybody noticed the "Old Parr" craze in Colombia? I'm not a scotch drinker, but I doubt that that Old Parr is a good brand of scotch. Any scotch drinkers here? Colombians are adamant that Old Parr is the apex of the liquor universe. Of course, they erroneously call it whiskey instead of scotch. Don't bother trying to inform them that Chivas is a better brand of scotch. And trying to explain that you prefer rum (or vodka or gin) is wasted effort. If you don't buy a bottle of Old Parr, then Colombians assume you must be destitute. Despite the fact that you've been partying every night in Colombia for months.

At any rate, I admit defeat. I am a pragmatist. I am officially laying down my sword, and I am going to become a superficial slave to fashion like most Colombians. I am going to buy an unlocked black Motorola RAZR for usage in Colombia. I am tired of explaining to Colombians that I am not destitute because I dislike cell phones. Which ought to be obvious due to the length of my stays in Colombia and my choice of hotels, but Colombian analytical abilities are often lacking. In fact, phone calls to cell phones from my hotel room are far more costly than buying a cell phone and using a cell phone.

Sorry for the rant, and thanks again to those who helped.

Everything you said is 100% true and full of irony, especially the part about wanting/having the RAZR and not having lets say 5mil in their pocket and the old parr craze is in full effect! ALSO if you notice EVERYTHING in Colombia is LABELS,, even though 99% is fake bullshit from el centro they dont know the difference between a $100 button down Banana Republic shirt and 10mil copia armani exchange made in china tee.. oh the Irony! he he lol

Bango Cheito
10-22-07, 16:56
Oh guys for fucks sake don't turn this into a thread slagging Colombia.

Point of FACT, this is a monger board, people on it are not generally going to get a good appreciation of the Colombian mindset by hanging around 18 year old grillas.

People all over the Earth act like that, Colombia hardly has a handle on it or is ANY worse than any other place on in the planet. NYC's providers are just as bad for having the latest cellphone and can't afford the minutes, constantly changing numbers because they can't pay the bill etc.

Anybody who thinks Colombia is worse than the US in terms of people knowing to manage their money is totally fucking ignorant about the US!!!

And I don't know a single Colombian who would touch Old Parr. Once again, statements like that just indicate what kind of company you are keeping. When we go out in Bogota, i flat out refuse to order imported liquor, and not once has anybody complained. We always go for a bottle of Caldas or Cristal.

MiamiHeatLuver
10-26-07, 04:29
Found something both stupid and amusing at the same time!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Colombian_Women

Negrofino
10-27-07, 20:25
Does anyone know the going price in MDE? Can anyone recommend a pharmacy in Laureles?

MiamiHeatLuver
10-28-07, 17:23
Does anyone know the going price in MDE? Can anyone recommend a pharmacy in Laureles?

Its expensive in COLOMBIA AND NO GENERIC, about 25k a pill but cheaper if you buy 4 at a time! Like 22k for 4, go to EXITO, best prices!

Just Learning
11-05-07, 03:41
Where could I buy Viagra or Cialis easily in Bogota? Any pharmacy recommendations? Can I just go to a pharmacy and ask for it?

AddictedToWomen
11-05-07, 15:05
Where could I buy Viagra or Cialis easily in Bogota? Any pharmacy recommendations? Can I just go to a pharmacy and ask for it?

Any of the majors like Colsubsido or Citi farmacia (?) are best as you know you're getting the real thing.

Optic Guard
11-05-07, 19:51
I have been watching the board for a long time and I just wonder why there are so many people from other countries preying on newbies. I have been there 2 times but I have been to a lot of other places like Thailand Honduras Philippines and I live in Mexico. The funny thing is Here In Tijuana a lot of guy spend 40 or more to stay near the zona norte but If they drove about 7 mile to the playas of TJ they would pay only 25 dollars for a nice room and safe. So I am wondering why so many guys are paying 80 dollars for a room that in a 3 world country should be a lot cheaper. From what I hear the VIP and the Mansion are very well know though out the city of Medellin with normal woman that they will not even think of going there as I was chatting online with a woman who knew where it was and said to me it was full of putas. So if you are looking for good sex I am sure the non-pro way is the way to go.

I am not flaming the VIP and THE Mansion but there must be places other than there to go if you speak spanish. So I just why does no one just stay in the pension homes? They start at 30 dollars and some are very quiet also. Like the Kiwi and the black sheep has a other house for older guys for me.

Thanks a lot guys If you are looking for putas the by all means I think that the VIP and Mansion are the best for you but we should all just go hunting for woman differently thus keeping the price down.

TOM

Johan007
11-06-07, 13:27
I have been watching the board for a long time and I just wonder why there are so many people from other countries preying on newbies. I have been there 2 times but I have been to a lot of other places like Thailand Honduras Philippines and I live in Mexico. The funny thing is Here In Tijuana a lot of guy spend 40 or more to stay near the zona norte but If they drove about 7 mile to the playas of TJ they would pay only 25 dollars for a nice room and safe. So I am wondering why so many guys are paying 80 dollars for a room that in a 3 world country should be a lot cheaper. From what I hear the VIP and the Mansion are very well know though out the city of Medellin with normal woman that they will not even think of going there as I was chatting online with a woman who knew where it was and said to me it was full of putas. So if you are looking for good sex I am sure the non-pro way is the way to go.

I am not flaming the VIP and THE Mansion but there must be places other than there to go if you speak spanish. So I just why does no one just stay in the pension homes? They start at 30 dollars and some are very quiet also. Like the Kiwi and the black sheep has a other house for older guys for me.

Thanks a lot guys If you are looking for putas the by all means I think that the VIP and Mansion are the best for you but we should all just go hunting for woman differently thus keeping the price down.

TOM

TOM,

you should read the brasil or argentina section for awhile.....if you see what some guys are paying I wonder why most mongers NOT stay in the US at the first place!!!!LOL They realy are ruining the market. 150 USD an hour for a pussy??? in many countries thats a FULL mONTHLY wages!!!
Some guys do not speak spanish.....and are NOT used to haggle over prices.
They THINK that when they order an exspenvive escort hooki for 150 USD in BA or RIO (or whatever SA city)they get good service...well WRONG THINKING!!!;-) Sometimes a 10 dollar streethookie is way better in the sack....;-)
stick arround a while and you see what i mean. I stopped wondering myself a long time ago why somebody would call a 100 dollar hotelroom "cheap"...becoz i think it's NOT. Well anyways.....a lot of showoffs too...LOL

cheers

Johan

Winner71
11-13-07, 04:40
2 interesting articles this week on Colombia. Both could turn out to be devastating news for Colombia in the long run. Though I anticipate the actual occurence of these will tank the peso against the dollar (I.e. we'll get more bang for our buck) in the coming years (no trade agreement with Colombia and a Chavez puppet potentially becoming Colombia's leader), both articles have to be viewed as bad news for the long-term safety of us gringos that love Colombia so much.

Geez, could you imagine if the Farc loving Chavez actually could pull off "buying" the vote thus having one of his puppets winning the Colombian presidential election. This articles states that it is not so far fetched to believe he could do so?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071111/COMMENTARY/111110009

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071109/pl_nm/colombia_trade_dc_1;_ylt=ApY3yhpdoWloqmYbPt.poNOwv7kA

Bango Cheito
11-13-07, 10:20
What a crock of shit. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and disgusting example of yellow journalism.

Compared to some of the retards who fill Congress, much less the Cabinet etc etc.. this is ONE guy who ran on a bunch of promises he will never be able to keep, and moreover his more idiotic ideas are sure to be kept in check by a still very powerful city council totally opposed to them. Not to mention he is OUT OUT OUT in 3 years time come what may. Much like that ******* Uribe is held in check by the Constitutional Court and the Congress down there, so some of his more moronic ideas never see the light of day.

Besides which, the incumbent mayor was from the SAME left of center party as this new guy is and Bogota hasn't gone to the dogs as of late. In fact it's doing better than ever!

Not to mention that there is not a SHRED of evidence that anybody in the Polo is pro-FARC and/or supports them in any way. That is akin to saying Hitler and Stalin were actually in league with each other all through WWII simply because they were both socialists. :P

I'm not happy this guy got in, nor is anybody I know in Bogota, but this too shall pass just like it does in any other democracy. He was duly elected and gets to serve his term, and that's it. Anything else would REALLY be cause for concern.

I love how the US media uniformly attacks anything that happens DEMOCRATICALLY in any other country if it doesn't fall exactly 100% in line with US interests. Fucking morons!

As for the free trade agreement, read it in its entirety, it's up on the web somewhere IIRC, THEN get back to me. If you're hoping for the Colombian economy to be gutted and the middle class to absolutely disappear down there, then the best way for that to happen is if that shit gets signed!

Winner71
11-13-07, 20:11
I too thought the article was a little over the top and I wanted to see others opinions. Especially yours since I know that you are there and would know a bit about the political arena especially in Bogota.


What a crock of shit. I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and disgusting example of yellow journalism.

Compared to some of the retards who fill Congress, much less the Cabinet etc etc.. this is ONE guy who ran on a bunch of promises he will never be able to keep, and moreover his more idiotic ideas are sure to be kept in check by a still very powerful city council totally opposed to them. Not to mention he is OUT OUT OUT in 3 years time come what may. Much like that ******* Uribe is held in check by the Constitutional Court and the Congress down there, so some of his more moronic ideas never see the light of day.

Besides which, the incumbent mayor was from the SAME left of center party as this new guy is and Bogota hasn't gone to the dogs as of late. In fact it's doing better than ever!

Not to mention that there is not a SHRED of evidence that anybody in the Polo is pro-FARC and/or supports them in any way. That is akin to saying Hitler and Stalin were actually in league with each other all through WWII simply because they were both socialists. :P

I'm not happy this guy got in, nor is anybody I know in Bogota, but this too shall pass just like it does in any other democracy. He was duly elected and gets to serve his term, and that's it. Anything else would REALLY be cause for concern.

I love how the US media uniformly attacks anything that happens DEMOCRATICALLY in any other country if it doesn't fall exactly 100% in line with US interests. Fucking morons!

As for the free trade agreement, read it in its entirety, it's up on the web somewhere IIRC, THEN get back to me. If you're hoping for the Colombian economy to be gutted and the middle class to absolutely disappear down there, then the best way for that to happen is if that shit gets signed!

Sebox
11-16-07, 08:46
Looking for information in obtaining a work visa for Colombia. O understand that to obtain one that you need a letter from the hiring company. Any suggestions on obtaining one without the letter or finding a company (any company) to help me with this?

Thanx

Sebox
11-16-07, 13:26
Can anyone help me in regards to obtaining a work visa? Is it possible to get one without having a company writing a letter of hire or are there any companies that I could contact?

MiamiHeatLuver
12-21-07, 18:40
its in the 1900's now,,, and just in time for my trip tomorrow, lol Cant win! he he lol

NYCmat
12-31-07, 04:18
Questions for Columbia--

Are you reqiuerd to get a visa to visit columbia from the u. S?

What are the current rates for the pros of columbia?

All inclusive places there anywhere in columbia?

For 1 week 10 girls how much you think for all included?

Thanks in advance

Rainman3
12-31-07, 15:47
Questions for Columbia--

Are you reqiuerd to get a visa to visit columbia from the u. S?

What are the current rates for the pros of columbia?

All inclusive places there anywhere in columbia?

For 1 week 10 girls how much you think for all included?

Thanks in advanceNot trying to pick on you bro, but I would advise spending some time reading this forum and Im sure you will get the answers to your questions.

For now:

It's C O L O M B I A, not c o l u m b i a

No visa requirement like Brazil

All inclusive places? Define all inclusive

Prices can range form 20K COP ($10USD) short term with a street chica to
350K with a gorgeous prepago. Get what I mean now!

Respectfully,

Rainman3

NYCmat
12-31-07, 21:18
No problem rainman3, would love to but I am in the middle of planning a trip to honduras and I thought someone could just help me out with some info from here. Have no time right now. My friend and I werer talking about columbia and coasta rica for our next trip thats all. Sorry about the miss typo. All inclusive I mean a nice resort that allows you to bring in girls, is safe so we are not kidnapped or anything like that, and anything we need we can have there. That is what I mean. My friend told me bad things about kidnapping etc over there and I do not want that to happen. What are the going rates of the girls in comparrison to U. S. Money? I know the dollar has lost some. Thats ok. Just wondering.

Thanks

Nyc


Not trying to pick on you bro, but I would advise spending some time reading this forum and Im sure you will get the answers to your questions.

For now:

It's C O L O M B I A, not c o l u m b i a

No visa requirement like Brazil

All inclusive places? Define all inclusive

Prices can range form 20K COP ($10USD) short term with a street chica to
350K with a gorgeous prepago. Get what I mean now!

Respectfully,

Rainman3

Tom 33
01-01-08, 10:14
No problem rainman3, would love to but I am in the middle of planning a trip to honduras and I thought someone could just help me out with some info from here. Have no time right now. My friend and I werer talking about columbia and coasta rica for our next trip thats all. Sorry about the miss typo. All inclusive I mean a nice resort that allows you to bring in girls, is safe so we are not kidnapped or anything like that, and anything we need we can have there. That is what I mean. My friend told me bad things about kidnapping etc over there and I do not want that to happen. What are the going rates of the girls in comparrison to U. S. Money? I know the dollar has lost some. Thats ok. Just wondering.

Thanks

NycYou don't bring girls in to all-inclusive places. You can bring a girl. If you want girls, do not go to an all-inclusive.

Try going to the tourist zone in Cartagena. The entire area is quite safe. A newbie should look at paying US$50 to $75 for an hour or two.

Evel Knievel
01-03-08, 22:12
Somebody asked in another thread about how to get involved with the "prepago" networks in Colombia. It seems that an entire thread dedicated to prepagos might be useful due to their increasing popularity in Colombia and their initial complexity for inexperienced gringos. I'll let the moderators make that decision because it is their prerogative.

Without such a thread, this thread seems like the best place to discuss prepagos. Here are some generalizations about the prepago networks, but please keep in mind that the networks are always a little different in each specific city.

Join social networking sites before your trip. The usual sites are Amigos.com, CyberCupido.com, Hi5.com, LatinAmericanCupid.com, Match.com and sexyono.com. I hope other guys can recommend some other sites to add to this list. There is no shortage of prepagos on such sites. Pay special attention to young women that are involved with certain occupations. The most reliable occupations are related to beauty, entertainment, fashion and publicity.

Subtly seek out and meet Colombians of all kind in the airport and on the airplane. Generally, Colombians are very friendly and eager to talk to Americans that are not arrogant. It is an error to limit your conversations to young female Colombians. The airport and airplane are full of affluent Colombians. Middle-aged Colombian men love to impress American men with their knowledge of Colombian women in general and prepagos in particular after some conversation and a couple of drinks. Middle-aged Colombian women love to play cupid if you are seeking a novia.

Stay at a luxury hotel. Talk to the bellmen and taxi drivers, but do not befriend them. Be respectful, but do not become "too friendly" with them. Greet them and talk to them, but do not socialize with them outside the hotel. Ask them about prepagos. Keep in mind that Colombians gossip more than you can imagine. If you ask about prepagos, employees of the hotel will know. If you have a novia, employees of the hotel will tell her about your activities. Never date any female employees of the hotel. Always have women call you on your cell phone instead of through the hotel front desk. Always send women home in a taxi from a taxi service that you called from your room instead of the taxi service associated with your hotel. This is not paranoia. These are lessons I learned the hard way. Beware of gossip.

Subtly begin conversations with Colombians guests of all kinds in the lobby, at the pool, etc. The reasoning is the same as previously discussed regarding airports/airplanes.

All universities have prepagos, but some universities are particularly known to be epicenters of prepagos. Usually the best university for prepagos will be a private university where the middle class girls need to compete with the upper class girls.

Meet people employed or enrolled at modeling agencies, publicity agencies, cosmetology schools, beauty salons, etc. Introduce yourself to the young women promoting products at supermarkets, malls, etc. Such occupations are a very target-rich environment.

Certain dance clubs and bars will have prepagos. The dance clubs and bars that are most popular with foreigners will have the greatest number of prepagos. Ask a male server or bartender for assistance. Treat servers/bartenders like I recommended treating bellmen/taxistas.

Join a marriage agency after arrival. Never join any marriage agency prior to arrival in Colombia. Never buy a "lifetime" membership or any other membership. Negotiate a price per individual introduction, and only pay that price after each introduction has been made. Never pay "sticker price. " The agencies are loaded with prepagos.

Check the classified ads of the primary newspaper of the city. There will be ads for prepagos. The ads are located differently in each city.

Go to *****houses and strip clubs. Treat the women respectfully and they will introduce you to friends that are prepagos.

In fact, the best way to meet new prepagos is by introduction through prepagos that you already know.

As always, please respect your Gringo brethren. Do not pay inflated prices or otherwise support the "dual-pricing" structure that plagues us all.

I know that other guys here must have innovative suggestions of their own so I'll let them take over now.

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Almotu
01-05-08, 09:21
In fact, the best way to meet new prepagos is by introduction through prepagos that you already know.

As always, please respect your Gringo brethren. Do not pay inflated prices or otherwise support the "dual-pricing" structure that plagues us all.Thanks for your post. Some of the problems you have listed, I don't have to worry because I do not have a novia. Do you consider girls that frequent the Medellin Mansion, prepagos? I am not the type of guy that think I will pay a higher amount just to 'take a girl away from another guy' I like to pay a fair price so what is fair in Medellin? The dual-pricing structure you are hinting to is one price for gringos and one of natives, right?

Cachorro
01-05-08, 14:32
Evel, great prepago writeup.

A prepago is the Colombian word for semi-pro. It's a regular girl who part-times as an escort.

Prepago is often used incorrectly on the ISG forum. Someone just referred to Elektra as a good place to pick up prepagos. The girls in Elektra are prostitutes, not prepagos. Pros, not semi-pros.

A large part of the Medellin Mansion, VIP girl lineup would be prepagos.

To Evel's suggestions, I will add:

Who knows prepagos? Young playboy rich kids. Guys who work in modelling. Guys who are active socially.

You can hit up taxi drivers and sometimes they can help. Increase your hit ratio by only asking drivers who are fast talker / hustler type guys, young and don't have a rosary hanging from the rear vision mirror of the taxi.

Taxi drivers who mainly work in tourism and with gringos should all have prepagos. There are plenty of phone numbers on the forum.

Member #3435
01-05-08, 17:35
I'm going to Barranquilla to visit a girlfriend soon. She's demonstrated a propensity to lose or damage cell phones. I see these cheap cell phones ($50. 00 and less) on the shelves in big box stores such as Walmart and I wonder; can these phones be used on a local network in Colombia? If yes, this would be an economical way to set her up with a new phone.

I know my current Motorolla phone workd there. I just had to unlock it and then set it up with Comcel.

Thanks,

Schwmm

Ricker
01-05-08, 19:30
Thanks for your post. Some of the problems you have listed, I don't have to worry because I do not have a novia. Do you consider girls that frequent the Medellin Mansion, prepagos? I am not the type of guy that think I will pay a higher amount just to 'take a girl away from another guy' I like to pay a fair price so what is fair in Medellin? The dual-pricing structure you are hinting to is one price for gringos and one of natives, right?As far as the "dual pricing" goes, one price for dumb / naive / language disabled gringos, and other prices for others :)

Superboy1
01-06-08, 00:12
The girls that go to the Mansion are not Pro`s, and Greg does not allow Pro`s to work from the Mansion, unless invited by one of the guest.

The girl that go there are i would say prepagos and alot are new to the game, so if you are looking for a girlfriend for you time there it is not hard to do so if you treat them right, do not just fuck them treat them with respect give them a good time and trust me you will get you just rewards.

It works for me.

Superboy

MiamiHeatLuver
01-06-08, 02:20
I'm going to Barranquilla to visit a girlfriend soon. She's demonstrated a propensity to lose or damage cell phones. I see these cheap cell phones ($50. 00 and less) on the shelves in big box stores such as Walmart and I wonder; can these phones be used on a local network in Colombia? If yes, this would be an economical way to set her up with a new phone.

I know my current Motorolla phone workd there. I just had to unlock it and then set it up with Comcel.

Thanks,

SchwmmIt should unless it locked, then you will probably need to go to el centro to "abrir la bandas"

MiamiHeatLuver
01-06-08, 02:29
The girls that go to the Mansion are not Pro`s, and Greg does not allow Pro`s to work from the Mansion, unless invited by one of the guest.

SuperboyThe girls at the mansion aren't prepagos? But they sure are tiburones. He he

Member #3435
01-06-08, 06:21
As I was making my rounds this afternoon I figured out by talking with various retail clerks that my idea won't work. Those phones are not 4 band, ie, world phones.

Thanks,

Schwmm

Ricker
01-06-08, 16:21
I'm going to Barranquilla to visit a girlfriend soon. She's demonstrated a propensity to lose or damage cell phones. I see these cheap cell phones ($50. 00 and less) on the shelves in big box stores such as Walmart and I wonder; can these phones be used on a local network in Colombia? If yes, this would be an economical way to set her up with a new phone.

I know my current Motorolla phone workd there. I just had to unlock it and then set it up with Comcel.

Thanks,

SchwmmAmigo, you can buy cel phones in Colombia for as low as $30 bucks sometimes.

I know you can get them for $40.

They definitely work in Colombia :)

Member #3435
01-06-08, 18:24
Amigo, you can buy cel phones in Colombia for as low as $30 bucks sometimes.

I know you can get them for $40.

They definitely work in Colombia :)Ricker,

Hmm. I thought the $50 to $70 range was for the cheapest phones in Colombia. Can you point me in the right direction? Where will we find them in the $30 to $40 range?

Thanks,

Schwmm

Traylor Park
01-06-08, 23:05
Why not let her worry about her own phone?

NO reason to treat her like a baby. If she loses her phone, she's shit-out-of-luck! She's better off, it saves her money from not having to pay the phone bill, which many can't afford to pay.

Generally speaking, Why do Gringos want to spoil the Colombinas? It seems to me that most want to spoil them for their affection by buying them material things. And as they say, "money can't by love." You may go broke trying.

When in Colombia, act and live like a Colombiano, leave the money sacks at home and your gringo customs at the airport when leaving the US.

Vive Colombia!

Xion149
01-07-08, 00:10
As I was making my rounds this afternoon I figured out by talking with various retail clerks that my idea won't work. Those phones are not 4 band, ie, world phones.

Thanks,

SchwmmMotorola V188 unlocked gsm world phone ($34, just search on ebay)

Ricker
01-07-08, 02:20
Why not let her worry about her own phone?

NO reason to treat her like a baby. If she loses her phone, she's shit-out-of-luck! She's better off, it saves her money from not having to pay the phone bill, which many can't afford to pay.

Generally speaking, Why do Gringos want to spoil the Colombinas? It seems to me that most want to spoil them for their affection by buying them material things. And as they say, "money can't by love." You may go broke trying.

When in Colombia, act and live like a Colombiano, leave the money sacks at home and your gringo customs at the airport when leaving the US.

Vive Colombia!Well .... it just depends amigo. IMHO

I don't over-spoil a chica, but there's nothing wrong with helping out a good chica.

I wouldn't go around buying all the pros cel phones, or buying multiple cel phones for chicas that lose them, but to sincerely help someone out is cool in my book. No reason to act like a schmuck and over do-it, but a little kindness goes a long way.

You just have to be able know which chicas to take care of. That's the real trick.

I believe some of the "good" gringo qualities is what helps attract chicas. I wouldn't park all your customs at the airport.

Ricker
01-07-08, 02:25
Ricker,

Hmm. I thought the $50 to $70 range was for the cheapest phones in Colombia. Can you point me in the right direction? Where will we find them in the $30 to $40 range?

Thanks,

SchwmmHmmmm, I just had my taxista buddy in Cali pick me up a Comcel cheapy cel phone for 80K pesos.

There's places all over to buy cel phones. Malls, supermercados, etc.

MiamiHeatLuver
01-07-08, 05:02
Hmmmm, I just had my taxista buddy in Cali pick me up a Comcel cheapy cel phone for 80K pesos.

There's places all over to buy cel phones. Malls, supermercados, etc.Hey hermano I saw signs all over centro for promotion TIGO nokia. I fotget which model for 60mil with 10mil minutos. Not bad at all.

Belldude2
01-07-08, 06:28
Hmmmm, I just had my taxista buddy in Cali pick me up a Comcel cheapy cel phone for 80K pesos.

There's places all over to buy cel phones. Malls, supermercados, etc.Well I have an unlocked motorola and I purchased a Telefonica Movistar sim for 10k and it came with 30k on it already. You can get a c139 unlocked on ebay for about 30 bucks. The phone can make a great gift for a girl too. I brought 2 with me last time just for gifts.

Haunted
01-13-08, 05:27
Hello,

To all the experienced travellers out there.

I'm trying to decide on a 'latina' country, strictly for sexcapades.

Limited spanish skills, fairly experienced traveller, and very limited budget.

Researching Cuba, DR and Colombia right now.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Tom 33
01-13-08, 22:22
Hello,

To all the experienced travellers out there.

I'm trying to decide on a 'latina' country, strictly for sexcapades.

Limited spanish skills, fairly experienced traveller, and very limited budget.

Researching Cuba, DR and Colombia right now.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!Forget Cuba. It's very expensive for a tourist, and it sucks.

Your limited Spanish probably restricts you to Cartagena in Colombia.

It's cheaper to get to the DR from the US or Canada, and your lack of Spanish may not be as much of a problem.

Haunted
01-14-08, 16:54
Thanks for the info!

I have been looking at Colombia a little more, but Cali and Mendellin. Can't find any 'package' deals for either spot. I'll check Cartagena, perhaps I'll have better luck there.

DR definitely has way more options in terms of packages...but I assumed that the girls are much more expensive in DR?

I've travelled to countries before where I have limited language skills, and doesn't really bother me, managed to get by OK. Do you think it is still a bad idea for Colombia given my limited Spanish?

Thanks again!

Jan Chris
01-16-08, 04:43
This is the general report of my trip to Colombia which will focus on my meetings with chicas contacted on internet, whereas the other posted in the Bogota and Cartagena section will focus on the mongering aspects.

My main objective was to date a range of Colombian girls in order to start a relationship leading to marriage. My experience has been very similar to Madrugada's one in report #962 which I recommend (everything is true, such as the mobile phone issue and the fact that they do not introduce themselves when they give a phone call, so it can be tricky). This was my second trip to Colombia, although I did not do the first one with a similar intention, however I organized one in Thailand which was partially unsuccessful and decided to build on that experience.

1) Practicalities

A) Accommodation: As often mentioned in this forum, Suites Real 85 in Bogota is a good location (www.suitesreal.com/85). It is a reasonably priced hotel. Rooms have kitchenette. Internet access is free. Service excellent. Safe. Close to the Zona T, Andino Plaza and its nearby restaurants, the Parque de la 93 (20 minutes if you walk, so it is still better to take a cab at night) and a 24 hours open supermarket (where you can buy alcoholic beverage). Unfortunately, far from the more cultural part of the city (La Candeleria) where the nice museum of the Banca de la Republica is located (with the Botero and Gold museums) or entertainment complex such as Mundo Aventura.

I found the restaurant in the Andino area quite expensive (I spent 50 000 pesos for a churascos and a mojito in Dixies), but the food was really good.

In Cartagena, I organized my trip too late to find an available apartment in these condos so I had to stay at the Charlotte. Good location between the old city and the Laguito and excellent service. Wi-fi available in he lobby but no computer.

B) Transportation: taxi is rather cheap, it is better to call for example Taxi Express at 4111111 in Bogota rather than hailing a cab on the street (on the contrary, in Cartagena, there is no need to do that). Their system is automated (select 1 three times), they give you the plate of the vehicle and you are supposed to give a security code to the driver indicated at the end of the message (but if you do not speak spanish they won't make is a problem). Couldn't be more safe. At the airport go to the taxi booth so that they will indicate the fare. Do not use an unofficial one, it will be more expensive.

I had also used the Transmilenio last year, but I always found it difficult to understand the system even though I speak spanish.

C) Money issues: Most banks will not accept traveler cheques nor American Express for cash withdrawal (except Bancolombia). Withdrawals can be limited to 300, 000 pesos, at best 500, 000 which is about one third of what you could normally do in Europe or North America with a basic Visa international card. I was told you can do a second withdrawal just after, but I never tried. So, unless you have a Visa, bring some cash with you, US dollars because most banks, in the Andino center at least, will not change other currencies. Therefore, if you come with euros or canadian dollars, it is advised to change at the airport (which probably does not offer the best rate, but I have not been able to compare).

D) Security: a lot has been said by other forumers on this issue. I consider the area near Andino in Bogota as reasonably safe. Until midnight it is quite crowded. Just exercise basic precaution such as not leaving your drink unattended, carrying a small amount of money, etc. There are some good advice in the British or Canadian Foreign affairs official websites. Have a look at them but they tend to overestimate the risk. In January, Cartagena was so crowded that I hardly see how any serious issue could happen, except maybe with pickpockets, unless you go to the poorest area of the city which no normal human being will do!

2) The chicas

A) The selection: I remember someone in this forum recommended hi5.com to meet some chicas. I was much less successful with this one than www.cybercupido.com. For a relatively cheap 10 USD for a monthly subscription, I contacted over a hundred of chicas and got an amazing rate of replies compared to other similar websites (one third maybe). After a 3-month selection process (which I will not describe here, but you can PM me if you are interested), I ended up with a total of 5 meetings.

The beauty of the Colombian girls is often exaggerated. Like in many countries, there is only a small proportion of stunning ladies (9 or 10). Too many pregnancies have fade the beauty of the mothers or even those who had babies during their teenage time. Overweight is also common.

That being said, what makes Colombian girls particularly attractive in general is their mixed ethnic background (for the majority at least), their warm behavior and uncomplicated attitude, for example re: plastic surgery. Furthermore, because the birth rate has been relatively high two decades ago (surely, the child per mother rate is probably now closer to any other developed country), Colombia has lots of women in the 20-30 year's old range, which is the one of interest for us. As a consequence, the number of stunning beauties per square mile is high in absolute- although not necessarily in relative terms.

That in mind, you also have to take your own "attractiveness potential" into account which includes lots of factors. Considering myself as a 6 or maybe a 7, my target was a 8 rather than a 9 or 10.

B) Jessica: The first 20 year's old chica was one whose picture had received one of the best success rate in Cybercupido (I will indicate her to you if you PM me). But overall, it has been a huge disappointment. Of course, we had chatted quite a lot on Messenger before I traveled, but she was not as nice in person as on webcam (a weak 7, her main asset being a magnificent pair of natural breasts). But above all, she has revealed herself to be not only uneducated (this I knew) but to be totally uninterested in improving her knowledge in whatever field I tried to interest her, even about her own country. When we visited the Gold museum, she was less interested than most of the kids during the guided tour. I came to he conclusion that she would be totally unable to learn English correctly and therefore could not adapt to a foreign country. Also she begged me on few occasions for "presents", which I did respond positively twice without receiving a "thank you". I am sure she thinks that since I am rich (I am not really, but I am for her standard), this small sacrifice did not deserve any thanks.

These 5 days with her would have been a waste of time if I had not taken the opportunity to visit the city by and large and did some "side activities" if you see what I mean.

C) Maria-Elena: Therefore, I had a lot of expectation with my second date, in Cartagena.

From Canada, I had to buy my ticket with Copa Airlines because Avianca overcharges ticket paid for foreign residents. The funny thing is that the flight is operated by Aero Republica, which charges also more foreign cards than national ones. Keep this in mind when you buy your ticket from abroad.

Maria-Elena is 30 year's old lady from Baranquilla, never married, no child, with a decent work in an American company, and a decent level in English. Also very smart (she taught me a lot about he local music, she like to read newspapers and is well informed about the international news in general. She is not a heavy TV watcher and always chose old movies programmes). Clearly, she was looking for a foreign soulmate for "cultural reasons" she admitted, because she just does not like the generally unfaithful Colombians. Really pretty (a solid 8) and extremely caring. Did not have a lot experience with boyfriends and was generally disappointed with them. The other good news was that she had a surgery and her silhouette is curvier than I had expected. When I saw her, it was a blast. Very well proportioned, not too big because her frame is slim, but enough to stand firm in the hand, the surgeon chose the biggest size than would fit to her and make her look still natural, I. E. 300g for each implants. The scar was quite apparent but she had the surgery just 3 months ago so it should look better with the time. Not the best job I have ever seen, but a good job (see attached pic).

So you now understand that I could check it myself. She was uncomplicated, we kissed the second day and had sex the following morning. I made her very horny and she only refrained me at the beginning because she was a little bit shy and anxious about me playing with her tits, since it was the first time ever since her surgery. She is a great kisser and a good lover.

She had to come back to Valledupar were she works and we agreed to see us on the following week end either in Bogota or where she was staying. We had a great time in Bogota because she became less shy and I realized how educated she was while we were talking about politics.

The other face of the coin is. Money issue. I quickly jumped into the subject of what it is to live abroad with a guy like me, that she could not work easily abroad, and she quickly raised the issue of 'who is going to support my mother if I have to resign from my position in Colombia? '. Because she is the eldest of the family and is not married, she supports her mother but also paid for the education of her sister. This is a common problem with middle income or developing countries. Eventually, you have to balance your motivation and be able to judge her sincerity, while being able to impose some limit. Be aware, be careful! While writing these lines I am not 100% sure of her sincerity, I shortly after she left, I wrote her a message to make things clear. I think sooner or later I will know.

D) The third one was a short encounter with an engineer from BogotŠ, a simple lady though, but she never wanted to spend more than a couple of hours with me for the first time. Not very productive therefore. I think she's got a hard body, but she did not revealed much of it. Her face was not super pretty but she is typically the king of unknown mixed background from Colombia that some may like.

E) The fourth date was with an architect, mother of one child, whose best asset was a pair of a 32C natural breast (according to our exchange on Messenger. NB: I am quite sure that the size chart in Colombia differ from the rest of North America because Maria-Elena is 34B but I can guarantee that she has a solid C, so a C must be the equivalent of a D). But she was more interested by friendship than a long term relation. I invited her to a restaurant and the chat was great, she was really uncomplicated. When I talked about my desire as a man for big breasts, she opened her jacket and showed me her assets, of course not entirely as we were in a public place! But enough for me to guess how they're like. Not classy at all but the most spontaneous girl I have ever met in my life. She took my hand like a girlfriend in the cab so I had to tell her no to do that with a western guy because it could be wrongly interpretated.

F) My last date was with a nice 26 year's old mother of two. Although I was spoiled with Maria, I wanted to meet Johanna in person just "to be sure". Johanna is really cute if you consider her two pregnancies. She's got a B cup size breast but it is her firm intention to fix this ASAP, that's a present I would give to her without hesitation as her novio. Therefore, she was an 8 who could easily become a 9. She laughed very much when I told her that and was really uncomplicated. Also she appeared to have an adorable and caring personality whereas Maria had a sort of an attitude which is not my cup of tea (but in the intimacy, she is great). Although I knew Johanna had lost her relatively good job recently, she did not want me to pay my part of the cab when we returned from the movie. Greatly appreciated but declined of course. Her cultural background is simple, but she is intelligent and I believe she could live abroad. The only problem is that her accent is terribly difficult to understand. The last day, she made it impossible for me to meet her. I think she finally concluded that I was not the good guy for me.

Anyway, the more time was passing, the more I was eager to see Maria again. I spent the Friday afternoon buying her some presents, I think that's a sign that I am really found of her, isn't it?

Conclusion: I entirely concur to report #962. Meet at least 3 chicas you have carefully chatted with for 3 to 6 months. Do not expect to have sex easily, it is not necessarily in your interest neither. Behave like a gentleman, they really like to be complimented. Be prepared to pay for everything. Be realistic on your objective, the chica "eager to leave her country ASAP" is a myth if your target is a reasonably well educated and established person. That means also that if you are an average looking man, you cannot have both a stunning AND an educated girl, and I would not recommend trying a chica from the countryside because your conversation will become very limited and you cannot base a long term relation only on sex. Only chose someone graduated from the University and focus on BogotŠ. Finally, do not base your travel only on meeting chicas but also on the touristical aspects, otherwise you could end up with the impression of having lost your time and resources.

Good luck!

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Routard
01-16-08, 13:24
Excellent reports Jan Chris, looks like al the Caribbean mongers end up one day or another in Colombia! I agree with you, I would not consider Colombia as a great monger destination, but amateur action is excellent. I did not use meeting sites on Internet but relied on natural encounters. It was risky regarding the small amount of time I had to score, but I was succesfull, maybe I was just lucky. I had planned to go back to Colombia in February, but my trip is delayed to July. In the meantime, I tried also www.cybercupido.com. It's simply incredible. I had no answers so far, but since I have put my pic, I receive everyday a message of a girl who wants to meet me, I don't even need to make the first move. The funny thing is that's it an international site, but only Colombianas try to contact me, there is for sure a mystical thing between them and me. In fact it's simply impossible for me to meet all those girls during the short amount of time I will spend in Colombia.

Jan Chris, unlike you I am not looking for a long term relation. Don't take me wrong, I don't mix up these girls with hookers, on the contrary. But I respect them too much to make them think I would marry them. I'm afraid girls on meeting site are looking for such kind of relationship. What is your experience with this sample of 5 girls, is it what they are looking for? Another thing, did you have sex will all of them and how long did it take it to get them in your bed?

Degenerate
01-16-08, 20:57
Are there any asian working girls in Colombia? Blonde white girls? Black booty brown suga girls? Clubs to go to with these types?

Thanks guys I'm just fishing for some info.

Trendy Andy
01-17-08, 17:29
Gents,

Let me tell you my story. I am a few months on the amigos website. I am not a model, but for european standards I am goog looking, tall and athletic, in my middle 30. I have uploaded smart fotos, and filled out all that additional stuff, carefully answered the questions. O. K. Let's go!

I wrote to a lot of girls, in spanish language of course. The response was about 10 percent initial; narrowing. So what is the problem? After chatting with chicks online, questioning a colombian women who lives in my country and talking with a compatriot who lives in Colombia I would resume the following (btw, I was in Colombia several times):

The mayority of the girls who puts themselfes on that amigos website are willing to meet a foreigner. Why does this works seemingly not for me? Because closed to all of them are willing to meet men from the US! That is the point! Maybe there is an exception when your are from Italy or Spain. The women are not interested at all to leave their country to live in middle europe, northern europe or the UK. The hollowed land is and keeps the United States. Sadly to say, but that's seemingly true.

Finally, let me add my two cent to "eager to leave their country or argue the converse". When the age difference is no more than 10 years and you are serious in founding a family you should not have big problems (. Of course only when you are from the US. Hahaha.) Who can blame them for not eager to be with a 20. 25 years older guys who treat her like a sex-bunny instead of having kids with a more smart guy and live a more upscaled life than in Colombia? !

Any coments are pretty welcome.

Routard
01-18-08, 01:30
Are there any asian working girls in Colombia? Blonde white girls? Black booty brown suga girls? Clubs to go to with these types?

Thanks guys I'm just fishing for some info.Looks like you have no clue how Colombianas look like. Although most are a mix of all three, you can find black girls, white blonde girls and native indian girls.

Zing23
01-18-08, 16:28
Meet at least 3 chicas you have carefully chatted with for 3 to 6 months. Do not expect to have sex easily, it is not necessarily in your interest neither. Behave like a gentleman, they really like to be complimented. Be prepared to pay for everything. Be realistic on your objective, the chica "eager to leave her country ASAP" is a myth if your target is a reasonably well educated and established person. Excellent report Jan Chris.

We Caribbean mongers do seem to get fixated on Colombia and sometimes have unrealistic ideas!

My experience with Cybercupido worked as follows. I was away from St Maarten for 3 months, so no colombiana pros. I am married, older. I signed up, posted my picture, which is important, but later I changed my picture to "Photo Privado" - which means that only women I contact can see it, not my wife's friends who are browsing. I gave an accurate description of myself, but did not say I was married. I did everything in Spanish, using freetranslation.com and my dictionary when necessary.

Instead of posting some general goals (beauttiful girl who is carinosa, etc.) I said I was looking for a woman that liked my favorite 20 latin ballads, then I listed them.

I was online a lot. I reviewed the list of girls onlline worldwide. When I viewed their profile, they get a notice that someone is looking and they can look at your profile. but in my case there is no pic, only list of songs. In most cases I would get a notice shortly after that someone is looking at my profile. In the beginning I would send a short message, Como estas? (how are you?). about 30% would reply, which is very high.

Eventually i had so many girls that i was emailing with that I stopped sending como estas? I just took the ones that were intrigued and would send the como estas? themselves. This was still at least 1 per day, usually 2.

All countries, all ages, all looks (more average lookers of course). I responded to most of them, except those who said they were looking for a long term relationship. They sent me photos by email.

I learned a lot about these women and their lifes and their countries. I was always gentlemanly and never forward, but many of them upped the emotionaly content in their messages.

I came to the conclusion that most were looking for regular boyfriend or husband, regardless of what they said initially. Some even had visas and could have come to visit me (and my wife!).

Eventually I shut it off. The pressure of continually lying was too much work. But my conclusion is that there are lots of women ready to meet me and bed me, even tho I am old. Not many 21 year old stunners, but plenty of beautiful women 28-38 years old.

I hope to vacation in Colombia by myself in august, so will reactive my actiion 3 weeks before I go. I am not looking for a new wife, ever, any country, forget it. But a girlfriend in each city of colombia, why not?

Zing

Dodger Bulldog
01-19-08, 06:37
When the age difference is no more than 10 years and you are serious in founding a family you should not have big problems (. Of course only when you are from the US. Hahaha.) Who can blame them for not eager to be with a 20. 25 years older guys who treat her like a sex-bunny instead of having kids with a more smart guy and live a more upscaled life than in Colombia? I don't know how old you are, Andy, but I'm guessing that you have lived far less than half of your life expectancy. If so, I have some good news for you.

It is only natural that we bring along the biases we have learned in our own culture when we enter another. It can take a long time to realize how others can truly view things differently.

Latinas in general, and Colombianas specifically, do NOT find youthfulness in a man to be valuable asset. Just the opposite.

It is much more appealing to them for a man to be 40 than 30. And it is even better still to be 50 than 40.

Of course, a younger man has no point of reference on this as he will not yet have had the opportunity to experience this phenomena for himself.

I am actually 51, but I tell all the chicas (whether they are 22, 32, or 42) that I am 60, because it works in my favor. Believe me, I sure wouldn't lie about my age if it wasn't to my advantage.

Those who are younger must think I am completely insane and totally full of shit, because this concept is unthinkable in Western society. It is almost impossible to get ones mind around it.

But it's true in Latin America.

The good news for all of you youngsters out there is that in the years ahead you are only going to become more appealing to the chicas!

Viva la differencia!

DB

MiamiHeatLuver
01-19-08, 07:59
I don't know how old you are, Andy, but I'm guessing that you have lived far less than half of your life expectancy. If so, I have some good news for you.

It is only natural that we bring along the biases we have learned in our own culture when we enter another. It can take a long time to realize how others can truly view things differently.

Latinas in general, and Colombianas specifically, do NOT find youthfulness in a man to be valuable asset. Just the opposite.

It is much more appealing to them for a man to be 40 than 30. And it is even better still to be 50 than 40.

Of course, a younger man will not yet have had the opportunity to experience this phenomena.

I am actually 51, but I tell all the chicas (whether they are 22, 32, or 42) that I am 60, because it works in my favor. Believe me, I sure wouldn't lie about my age if it wasn't to my advantage.

Those who are younger must think I am completely insane and totally full of shit, because this concept is unthinkable in Western society. It is almost impossible to get ones mind around it.

But it's true in Latin America.

The good news for all of you youngsters out there is that in the years ahead you are only going to become more appealing to the chicas!

Viva la differencia!

DBCommon now DB. You can't pass for 60, 50 tops, but I like the strategy.

MJG Dogs
01-19-08, 17:43
I agree with you dodger Bulldog, to an extent.

I think this is true for women that come from poor economic backgrounds, for we gringos represent an opportunity to improve their lives and possibly the lives of their families. I am 45, my novia is 24 and comes from a lower- middle class background.

I am not sure your theroy holds up in the wealthier classes. There I think the older gringo may have a tougher time. IMHO.

Msands
01-19-08, 20:36
Hey Dodger,

Interesting post, enough to make me post my first non-report or advice request. Here's my perspective based on travels and having lived in Latam for 10 years. BTW, I'm 42 but people always guess early or mid 30's.

Yes, some Latin chicks dig the male cougars. Some don't, just look at the age preferrences listed in cypercupido or amigos.com. You could say more Latin chicks tend to go higher in their acceptable age ranges than US/Euro, and Asia is about the same as Latam.

My top 5 theories:

1. Economics. This one's easy. Older dudes, on average, tend to have more spending money. Honies get tired of going to McD's and spotting their 20 yr old novios for gas money.

2. Maturity. For some of us, age brings more confidence and knowledge of women. What (little) I've lost in physical assets I've more than made up in sweet charm and baby-making game. Which is to say I was kind of dork when I was younger: )

3. Youth Burns. Let's admit it. Many of us were man-***** dogs when were in our 20s-30s. Unless we found THE ONE, we were much more likely to have several options going at once. And Young Latin guys take this to a whole new level. Latinas know this. By their mid to late 20's they get tired of getting cheated on and conclude their fidelity chances improve with older dudes.

4. Daddy Complex. I think this is universal, but whether a chick had a dad or missed one growing up, there's always that element of being attracted to the father figure and being taken care of.

5. Bigger Dicks. Few of us were taught that our dicks would get massively large at 40, no one really talks about it! But it's true that gravity takes it toll and those extra 2-3 inches really come in handy (pun intended). If you're under 40 and can't wait, PM me and I'll get you some pre-40 dick growth pills for lo, lo price.

Now, all this bullshit aside, if you gave me a pill that would turn me back to 18. And I could keep everything I've learned. I'd take it in a heartbeat!

Have fun with this.

Peace,

M

Superboy1
01-19-08, 23:12
The girls way of thinking is the older you are the more money you have. Also they like a guy thats only going to be with them and not 10 other girls. And I have notice that the older guys (well most of them) tend to stick to the same 2 or 3 girls.

Superboy

Ricker
01-20-08, 16:36
Hey Dodger,

Interesting post, enough to make me post my first non-report or advice request. Here's my perspective based on travels and having lived in Latam for 10 years. BTW, I'm 42 but people always guess early or mid 30's.

Yes, some Latin chicks dig the male cougars. Some don't, just look at the age preferrences listed in cypercupido or amigos.com. You could say more Latin chicks tend to go higher in their acceptable age ranges than US/Euro, and Asia is about the same as Latam.

My top 5 theories:

1. Economics. This one's easy. Older dudes, on average, tend to have more spending money. Honies get tired of going to McD's and spotting their 20 yr old novios for gas money.

2. Maturity. For some of us, age brings more confidence and knowledge of women. What (little) I've lost in physical assets I've more than made up in sweet charm and baby-making game. Which is to say I was kind of dork when I was younger: )

3. Youth Burns. Let's admit it. Many of us were man-***** dogs when were in our 20s-30s. Unless we found THE ONE, we were much more likely to have several options going at once. And Young Latin guys take this to a whole new level. Latinas know this. By their mid to late 20's they get tired of getting cheated on and conclude their fidelity chances improve with older dudes.

4. Daddy Complex. I think this is universal, but whether a chick had a dad or missed one growing up, there's always that element of being attracted to the father figure and being taken care of.

5. Bigger Dicks. Few of us were taught that our dicks would get massively large at 40, no one really talks about it! But it's true that gravity takes it toll and those extra 2-3 inches really come in handy (pun intended). If you're under 40 and can't wait, PM me and I'll get you some pre-40 dick growth pills for lo, lo price.

Now, all this bullshit aside, if you gave me a pill that would turn me back to 18. And I could keep everything I've learned. I'd take it in a heartbeat!

Have fun with this.

Peace,

MBottom line amigos. It's a total culture difference.

After 15 plus years of traveling quite frequently / semi-living in Latin America, it still amazes me how wonderful the latinas are compared to the western chicas.

It's like a different galaxy :)

All the above listed reasons by Msands, except maybe his big dick theory, are fine, but bottom line is for me, the amazing culture difference.

Take care ....

Wisslis
01-21-08, 15:11
Hi all,

i just returned from a trip to Buceramanga.

Here is my newest work.

I only post maps and can not give any informations about Clubs or prices.
Mayby one of my friends that I traveled with can post some information about the clubs.

If you are at El Castiilo or the Mansion just ask for me (Don Pedrino) if you would like a bigger 1.5 MB map.

Trendy Andy
01-23-08, 15:11
Thanks for your comments, gentīs!

I have not intended a discussion older guys vs. younger guys. I ment rather the "distance problem" than the age.

Nevertheless I have enjoined your reports.

Lwomack58
01-27-08, 17:48
I have placed this under travel plans, but I see more response on this thread.

I am looking for some advice on a couple of cities to visit. First of all I fly out of Medellin on the 26th of Feb. So naturally I will be staying there for a few days. I am looking at either an apartment or the manison/VIP, which is best. My spanish is at the beginners level, meaning very, very basic.

Now the question are:

1. I am coming from Quito, so I can fly pretty much to any of the cities for about the same price. So what would be better, spend a few days in Bogota or Cartagena, or another city? Again my spanish skills are basic.

I have found some fairly cheap places to stay in either city. Just wonder which is best for someone new to Colombia? Plus which has the better women as far as price and best experience level.

I am not new to South America as I have spent 2 1/2 months between Lima and Buenos Airies. Also as far as beach scene, that is not important as I am spending 5 days in N.Peru beaches.

Any help and advice would be wonderful as I have been looking forward to seeing Colombia this whole trip. I also have a friend who lives in MANIZALES if he home, but again don't know the area.

Thanks in a advance.

Routard
02-25-08, 16:36
I was reluctant at first adding this last level. I have trouble promoting marriage, building up a family and making children. I know, itís the keystone of our society, essential for survival of human race. But eternal love has been designed in a time when life expectancy didnít exceed 35. Here are a few bad reasons for marrying a woman:

- She has a hot as. Sure, but will she still have the same ass with 20 more years.

- She loves sex. Sure, any woman at the beginning of a relation loves sex and will do it three times a dayÖany women after 10 years of marriage ends up doing it once or twice a month.

- She is the mother of my kid. Sure, it doesnít mean you that she is the woman of our life.

- She is the only one that wants to marry me. Hey, back to the first lessons!

I would prefer to talk only about simply living together. But it will be hard to keep it only to that with a Latina. There are a couple of reasons for it. One is the visa issue you will have to face when living with a Latina. For administrative reasons, you will most likely end up in a marriage, else it will become impossible to travel with her to your own country. Another one is the cultural aspect, remember a Latina is catholic, living with a man means marriage. And last one, more serious, a Latina will sooner or later come with the issue of having a baby with you.

Hey, if you have reached this level, did you do all the previous steps before or did you jump a couple of ones, especially level 4? There was a reason to put this level 4, if you have jumped it, itís a key issue and you know it. Do you really want a former hooker to be the woman of your life and the possible mother of your children? Of course I assume you took her out of business, else you are still on level 3.

We all understand, it could happen to any of us. After all, who am I to give any judgmental opinion. We meet so many great girls that we can easily meet the one we simply canít leave in her shit. I love those girls, and I hope that each of them will find a great man that will take care of them. They simply deserve it. Iím sure they can be great spouses and great mothers.

Trouble is that she is not only a former hooker, but you are also a former monger. She can easily forget her past, a woman who starts a life with a man simply erases all others from her memory, unlike men. But what about you? Will you always accept her past? I believe a former hooker can only be happy with a man that has no clue about her past. Another issue is that unlike her, you will always be a monger. Mongering is not an issue as long as your wife doesnít know about it. Trouble is that a former hooker will detect much easier when you start to go again with other hookers. You get me, trouble is not her past, itís yours and the fact that you will not be able to deal with her past.

I wonít be able to prevent you from trying if you are in this level, I can simply give one recommendation: NEVER EVER blame her for her past, no matter what happens. You have simply to forget about it and act as if she has never had that past.

So letís assume that you did correctly all the steps and ended up living with a regular Latina. Are things easier? Not really, you just have one issue less. The main issue is still there, a male and female trying to live together in harmony. She is Latina, from a different cultural background. It sure is one more issue, but believe me, itís way nothing compared to the male/female issue. You could easily misinterpreted misunderstandings, blame it to the cultural difference, but 99% is due to the difference between males and females. Anyone trying to live in couple should read ďMan are from Mars, Women from VenusĒ the bestseller from John Gray. I wonít add too much about it if not about what makes it specific living with a Latina. Again I would give the same rule: NEVER EVER blame her for being a Latina.

There are a couple of issues to face, one of them being the location. Are you going to live in your country or her country? If she is already an immigrant in your country when you had met her or if you are an expat in her country, there is no issue, but if you live each in your own country, one of the two has to chose for exile. Most probably, she will have to come to your country. Itís a serious issue, donít believe you did her a favour, rescuing her from a shithole and bringing her to paradise. On the contrary, itís a major sacrifice, she will have to face a cultural gap, discrimination, exile, living far from her beloved family and country.

Even if you are both ready to adapt yourself to each other cultural differences, are your both families also ready for this? Remember, when you marry a Latina, you marry her family. Never try to break her connection with her family. You have to accept this, but if you know how to adapt yourself to other cultures, itís a great feeling being member of a Latino family. Be prepared to visit on a regular basis her home country. The latest should not be real issue, but if you have different religions, you have to accept that your kids will be raised according to her Catholic faith.

Another issue is the rest of the environment, people can be cruel, especially if the ethnical, social, age and beauty difference is too obvious. There will always be that suspicion for others, she married you because of citizenship and money, you married her because you took advantage of it to get her beauty and youth. You probably donít care what other may think, but she certainly will. Remember, Latinas are proud. Be always on her side.

However, despite those issues, I am convinced that a Latina is simply the best choice as a spouse and as a mother, she has so much love to give. We tend to have a very rational way of thinking, a Latina puts emotions and feelings first, thatí all you need to know to understand her. I have watched older couples in Colombia, and Colombianas seem to keep always the same attitude towards the men they love unlike what happens in the Western world. It is simply great to be loved by a Latina. And as last, the key rule: make her happy.

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Routard
02-25-08, 16:38
Whatís the next level, living and marrying a Latina? No, before reaching this level, there is a much more important one to consider. If you are looking for your soulmate, why the hell are you going with hookers? Do you really think that brothels are the best places to find a women to live with? You believe in destiny and that the hooker you met is unique? It seems to me that you havenít learned the previous lessons. Passion between a man and a woman is wonderful, thatís why I live for. Love is so strong that you get the illusion of a unique and eternal feeling. I am so addicted to those wonderful moments when a man meets a woman that I have put all my efforts to get that feeling again. I have learned that it can be repeated over and over.

For a long time I used hookers for my passion addiction. Itís however much more difficult de trigger emotions and passion with hookers than with regular girls whose job is to simulate emotions and who are fed up of meeting so many men. If I managed to be so successful, itís simply because mongering allows to make a quantity of experience simply impossible to get in normal life. I love Zingís theory comparing hookers to simulators for learning about women. Pilots learn safely in simulators to face extreme experience impossible to get during normal flights. Hookers allow experimenting with women.

I have met hundredís of Colombianas throughout all the Caribbean brothels, I have developed not only feelings, but also true friendship with lotís of them and keep in touch for years now, growing with them. They have learned a lot with me about men and customers and I have learned a lot with them about hookers and women. Some even offered to work for me if I could help them to go to work in Europe. I have a good job and donít need money, but it made me realize how easy it is to get to the other side of the mirror, to the dark side of the forceÖ

I had a strong rule to always keep my adventure in the prostitution world not only to protect my personal and family life, but also because I respect too much women to make them believe I am looking for a relation simply to get sex. But experience showed me that hookers are not simulators, but women that can also be hurt. Hookers donít deserve to be hurt in the same way. I know I must stop playing with hookersí feelings.

On the other hand, I wondered if my ďsimulatorĒ experience could help me in real life. I sometimes turn on my GFE radar in real life, and it starts to blink outside a brothel. Tempting to check if the sensor is as reliable in real life isnít it? I decided I had to experiment it for real despite the rules I had made for myself, but far from my home country for safety reasons. Guess which country I chose fro my experiment? Colombia!

In fact my GFE radar turned out to be as efficient in real life. There is one difference: in a brothel all girls try to approach you and say yes, while in real world none come to you even those who like you. The GFE radar is the key of success in both worlds.

After having visited 50 countries over the world, I realized that Colombia was the country where I found the most girls that turned me on. For some reason, it seems also that itís the easiest country where I turn on girls. Itís probably again a matter of chemistry, I guess each has itís own country that works best for him. I found mine after years of travelling, again a matter of checking as much as possible. There is no other country in the world where so many women smile at me. Some have reported different experiences and claim better success in other countries that didnít do it for me. Each his own, again the theory of chemistry.

How does it work? The fact is that Colombianas simply never refuse an invitation for a drink. I saw even a cute girl with a T-shirt ďOffer this girl a drinkĒ written in English! Things canít be clearer. Why, simply because she is always ready to check the available options. I got this explanation from a Colombiana. When I explained that Western countries girls could be offended if invited for a drink, she simply couldnít understand it. I had also trouble explaining what was sexual harassment, an unknown meaning in Colombia. Donít be shy offering a drink to any girl you meet even in the street, I have never been refused. But watch out, if it is natural to offer a drink to a girl or even a meal, this does not commit her in anyway, and she is still not in your bed, unlike Western countries. The second step is the ritual exchange of phone numbers. Thatís why itís important having a local cell phone. If you have her phone, you are on the right path. If you call back and she accepts a second invitation, then itís rock and roll.

One thing about cell phone. A Latina usually never gives her name when she calls you back. You are supposed to recognize her from her voice as you are not supposed having met other girls of course. Watch out for this, memorise her name in your phone cell and be prepared to it, else you will mix things up. Watch out also to put your phonecell on silent mode when with a Latina. Not answering an entering phone call is highly suspicious for her.

Where do you meet the girls? Anywhere I would say. What is important is speaking all day long to any girl you meet, even those who donít turn you on. It must be a way of living. Any Colombiana will reply to a smile or to an ďHola!Ē. Ask any stupid question or say anything stupid about the weather or whatsoever, it doesnít matter that much. Just one sentence is enough, she usually will continue conversation. After a few sentence, there is nothing wrong to invite her for a drink. I have heard several theories, one is that there are 7 girls for one guy in BogotŠ. I donít really believe in these stats. Another one is that if nearly all Colombianas are very good looking, the males are much less attractive. This is not my theory, I donít feel qualified to judge males, I got this theory from several Colombianas. My experience is that Colombianas are simply passionate, full of love, eager to please a man and canít live without loving someone. Colombianas from my experience seem also to love what is probably exotic for them, tall and blond, but I canít say for sure if itís only the girls I meet or a general opinion. For sure I love Colombianas and they seem to love me as much as I do.

Is this only possible in Colombia? I guess not, I simply was in my comfort zone with Colombianas. I was once with a friend I used to monger with. He relies on me to find the best mongering places, but one time I was in a destination without brothels. I went with him to a regular nightclub, be he simply assumed it was a brothel as he was used to it when he was with me. I saw him approaching two girls and within minutes he brought them to our table for sharing a drink. I had to warn him he wasnít dealing with hookers, but he had approached them with such self confidence that it simply worked. You get the idea, just try it yourself.

So, whatís the reason for continuing paying when you get much better for free ? When in Latin America, I tend not to go anymore to brothels but to go instead to regular nightclubs. Itís very easy to meet regular girls, especially if you have some Latin dancing skills. It becomes also more difficult for me to spend so much money in an FKK party while I could get for the same amount a flight to BogotŠ and meet my girlfriends.

Except the approach, I didnít feel much difference between my ďsimulator ď experience and the real experience. Real Colombianas have unshaved pussy, turn the light down and donít enter naked in bed, and of course I donít wonder anymore if I am still supposed to pay or not, but thatís about it. It made me realize how sincere the hookers had been and that there emotions where not simulated.

A few words about dating sites. I have started to visit meeting sites such as www.amigos.com, www.latinamericacupid.com, and my favorite one www.cybercupido.com the later is completely free. It seemed to me too virtual at first, but I was amazed about the success rate, how easy it was to meet dozens of sexy girls. In fact, what happens in these sites is exactly what happens in the real world. I guess itís still difficult to meet someone in the Western World with it, but itís a great tool to meet Latinas. I checked the stats in www.cybercupido.com and guess what? Colombia is the only country in the world where the female members outnumber the male members. Colombianas are the most important group on this site, confirming what I had felt when in Colombia. In fact, once in Colombia you donít really need a meeting site but it makes simply the first move through Internet easier than in the street. Donít expect any answers however without picture, it is seen as suspicious. But once you put a picture, expect to receive daily messages. However, the Latinas on these sites have no cyber fantasies, they want to meet for real. If you are not supposed to come soon to visit their country, they will not insist. Needless to say, most Latinas on these sites are looking for a real relation, no simple adventure.

When reaching this level, I would say that itís easier to date real girls than going into dangerous relationships with hookers. A Colombiana is a wonderful lover, beautiful and sexy, passionate and loving, devoted and faithful, happy and easy going. There si nothing greater than being loved by a Colombiana.

Will I stop mongering? In fact I know that in both options I can get passion but I can also hurt. The expert level is that, getting the emotions and feeling of a woman from a hooker but also approaching a woman as easily as a hooker. Getting from a hooker what you get from a woman and getting from a woman what you get from a hooker. I have reached this expert level only with Colombianas. When you have learned to fly, you walk forever looking the sky. My sky is Colombia.

Colombia, el riesgo es que te quieras quedar...

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Routard
02-25-08, 16:40
Next lesson, we are reaching the danger zone: how to manage a relationship with a Latina. This time, itís not a goal to reach, but an issue to manage. If you reach this level, I simply hope you have had enough experience with the previous levels, else you are in deep trouble. Anyway, sooner or later, you will have to face it in your mongering career, we have all been there.

First, a few recommendations that will help you not to avoid but to delay the moment you will have to face this issue:

- Never hunt in your home country
- Change each time your hunting destination
- In each hunting destination, change each time your clubs
- In each club change each time of girls

If you start to see on a regular basis a girl from level 2, you are in the danger zone and will soon lose control over the situation. It usually starts with an Email exchange to keep in touch. Giving your phone number is the first wrong step you will make. A brothels is a secured and discrete environment who allows to keep a clear separation between fantasy and reality, between our monger life and real life. As a monger, we decide when itís time to go for hunting, enter our monger character and head to the brothels. But now, we start to undergo the events. We receive heart breaking Emails, an overflow of SMS and phonecalls at any given time. Itís easy to forget a girl with time and distance, much more difficult when daily contacts remind you the intimate and passionate moments spend together. Itís simply impossible to continue living your comfortable normal life while a girl is struggling with an unfair life and you are her only light in the dark. You will soon make the next steps: meeting her outside the brothel, having sex without paying and here you are dating a hooker.

The latest communications techniques. Itís amazing how Latinas are comfortable with these techniques: Emails, SMS, MSN, Skype, videoconference, meeting sitesÖBut their interests in high tech are just focused on one simple goal: keeping in touch with their beloved, family, friends, noviosÖWhen you are with a Latina, she will never leave her most precious tool, her phonecell. It rings all day long. When you are far from her and have the novio status, you will receive several SMS or Emails a day.

A few things about Latinas to understand better what has happened. Unlike Africa or Asia, there are few cultural differences between the Western World and Latin America. Even Western Europe with a strong Mediterranean influence is much closer to the Latin American culture than to the Slavic Eastern European culture. This explains why a relationship with a Latina can me so strong as long as there is no linguistic barrier.

Unlike other third world countries, people in Latin America are too happy to live in their country and need too much to stay close to their family to dream about immigration. A Westerner is not just a visa opportunity for a Latina. Most Latinas are single mothers who have learned to live without a man. Hookers have a tough job, but they are financially independent. Unlike hookers in Western countries, they are not victims of human traffic. I have even been impressed when I discovered the apartment in BogotŠ of one of them I know for years now. Latina hookers are brave, but they are deeply in need of love. They are sincerely able to forget about your monger status and their hooker status and love passionately. They donít need financial support anymore, they just need love, a man who loves and respect her, who can listen to her and share her good and bad moments of life.

The money issue. As long as you continue paying for the time spend together, everything is fine, you are still on the previous level. You pay for time and sex, feelings and emotions are free for both. There is no commitment on both side, we canít speak of a real relationship.

Some do the opposite, they start to pay more than what is requested. Never forget, you can pay for sex, not for love. Paying more will not trigger any kind of love, it might even trigger lack of respect from her side. She might simply transform this relation into a good way to make money. In fact, you should never go halfway. If you start to spend a lot of money with a girl, you can only do this for one reason: to get her out of the business, take care of her and live with her.

Here is the key rule: a girl make a living through prostitution, ask money to a man and ask him to love her. She has to chose two out of these three. If a hooker asks money, heís a customer, if she doesnít ask for money itís a lover. If she receives money from her lover that takes care of her, then she canít prostitute herself with other men. Donít fool yourself believing in any romance if you still continue paying a hooker. Social difference between you and her has nothing to do with it. Remember, a hooker who loves actually GIVES money, itís what is usually called a pimp.

Once you start not to pay anymore for sex and time, you are getting into a true relationship which involves mutual commitment. You have reached the novio status. It might sound strange, but it actually involves fidelity from your side, even and especially with pros. Watch out, prostitution is a small world, she will easily know if you donít respect your loyalty. Worse, most chicaís will soon know about it and will never agree to go with a collegueís novio. The fact that she goes with other men is not to put into consideration in her eyes. For her itís simply her job, for you itís having fun. Believe me, there is a clear difference for her when she has sex with he novio or with her customers.

The difference is made trough feelings and emotions, but also in a more practical way without money exchange andÖwithout condom. A condom is related to her job, itís a symbolical protection to make a distance with customers. Donít take me wrong, I am not pretending here that a hooker doing bareback is a proof of love, some do it simply out of stupidity. I am saying that a serious hooker in love who usually doesnít do bareback during her job needs to make a difference between her customers and her novio. Itís a serious issue of course, but again not the one you have in mind. Itís way more easy to make a girl pregnant than to catch a STD. You heart me. Latinas have a strong female instinct of procreation. When she falls in love, she feels the need to be fertilized and have a baby with him. Remember, a Latina is full of love, maternal love allows her eternal love and keep something from that man that will escape her once again. Donít believe she will do it to try to get child support from you. Latinas are formatted to take care alone of their child. Still, you will have to live with your conscience, having a child raised by a hooker and struggling with an unfair life in a third world country.

Before you get to this point, your conscience will have to face other issues. Believe me, itís simply inhuman going on with your life when you know that the girl you love is fucked each night by a dozen strangers in a dirty brothel. These girls have to face problems you canít even imagine from your comfortable background. You will have to face them also when you share her daily joys and sorrows. She just needs someone to listen, but it will be impossible to you not to react. You canít let her in a physical danger when she has to face a specific threat, you canít leave her ill without help, you canít leave her facing a sudden major financial problem. You will soon realize that you canít continue living on like this. You will try to push her back, but it will trigger even more feelings. When blowing hot and cold, you will drive a Latina crazy, she will feel as if she is in a Telenovela. Your relation will get stronger and stronger, with mutual passion you just canít imagine. This experience will help you to learn a lot, not about Latinas but about yourself. Thatís why I canít help you more with this.

Depending of your own family life or of the love for her, you will have to decide about this relationship. You can either stop it or either continue, helping her to get out of the business and taking care of her. Stopping such relationship is very difficult, needs determination and frankness, be able to face tears and cries. Your best partners are geographical distance and sense of responsibility for your own family as long as you had followed the safety rules previously given. The second option will be developed in the last lesson, how to live with a Latina. But before, there is a much different one, maybe even the real answer to everything.

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Routard
02-25-08, 16:42
her is the second lesson of chica management. in this intermediate level, the purpose is not to get gfe, but to get real emotions from a chica. there is a huge difference between these two. gfe is a service offered ďas ifĒ she is your ďgirl friendĒ. here, we are speaking about real emotions. to make it more easy, we assume that this time we are not in a short session mode but in a todo la noche. when you spend a complete night with a chica, gfe is almost guaranteed. the chica just wants it to go right when she has to spend a complete night with someone, she will deliver quality service. but here we want to go to the next level. compared to a short session with a customer before and after you, a lot of things can happen in one night between two human beings alone. there might even be real feelings and even without real feelings, the girl might let herself go, enjoy for real and have even an orgasm. very exciting all this, as long as you are ready to make some efforts.

indeed, this second lesson requires a few previous skills. did you really believe you could get the intermediate level simply by reading this lesson? first of all speaking spanish is mandatory. staying like 12 hours with someone without being able to communicate is nerve breaking. yes, i know, there is body language, but sad to say females are more sensitive to oral communication. donít fool yourself, get back to learn! believe me, learning spanish is about the most rewarding effort you might do in your life. it happens to be also the second most important language in the world with plenty of opportunities to practise it. start with a classical pimsleur language method, listen to it in your car instead of losing time in traffic. try to get to a level enough to start to follow spanish tv channels. once you have reached this level, tings go much faster without any effort, as you just need to watch tv or listen to the radio.

for the intermediate lesson, the goal is to try to understand a chica. itís not only a matter of language, but also of cultural gap. depending your own background, this gap might be important or not. get back to work again, document yourself about latin america, his history, geography, sociology, economy and politic. believe me, you will learn a lot about this huge and diverse continent, from the top of the ice cold andes to the sand of the marvellous tropical caribbean beaches, through the amazonian jungle, from the ancient pre-columbian civilisation to the modern skyscrapers of the modern cities. itís also an incredible diversity of cultures and people, a mix of native indians, european conquistadors and african slaves. colombia is at the cross section between central and south america, with a atlantic and pacific coast, it has a bit of everything you can find in latin america. what is true for colombianas is basically true for other latinas. only brazil is a country on itís own, this huge country has a specific culture and language and is very different of the rest of latin america.

trying to understand the colombianas. this is dangerous stuff of course, trying to describe what is a colombiana or a latina. each person is a an individual and generalisation is always a mistake. letís say i simply try to give a few general facts.

african origins are mainly among those living along the atlantic coast. for colombia, this means cities like carthagena and baranquilla. chicas from african origin are fun and laidback. they will easily enjoy sex but are less sensitive regarding feelings, will be more materialistic and less asking for commitment.

native indians are everywhere in latin america, except in countries where they have been exterminated such as argentina, uruguay or salvador. in colombia, they can be found everywhere but mainly in more rural areas such as cali. native indians have had trouble adapting themselves to the modern world. they are usually less educated and poorer. a chica from native indian origin will have a tradition view of marriage. she will be devoted to her man. in bed it might be surprising, but the y tend to try to please and forget about their own pleasure.

european descents are mainly in the bigger cities, in colombia mainly bogota and medellin. they are usually educated and close to the better social classes, which doesnít mean she canít be poor herself. they tend to put high value in self development and feelings. they might be cooler at starting but their passion has no limits.

in fact, most colombianas are a mix of these three origins, their attitude and character are also in the middle somewhere of this. a good advice, watch a few telenovelas if you want to understand a latina. try also to learn more about latin culture, especially music. merengue and bachata, both from dominican republic are easy to learn within an hour, any chica will help you to the basic steps. most teenagers however in latin america will listen to reggaeton, also from santo domingo. itís a very natural dance, especially for mongers, but itís not for the shy or the weak of heart. basically, itís simulates sexual intercourse, so depending your background you may feel comfortable with it or not.

on the other hand, salsa needs at least a good year of practice before you might consider inviting a chica on the dance-floor. you can take salsa dancing lessons everywhere in the world, itís a very popular couple dance. believe me, itís worth the efforts, even the lessons are fun as the girls/boy ratio are in your favour, you will experience how it feels to be an endangered specie. also, not only chicas, but women love to be guided by an experienced dancer. dancing is a vertical expression of a horizontal desire. as a matter of fact, if you master latin dancing, there is really no need anymore to pay for meeting girls in latin america. but iím already jumping to the next stepsÖ

one more thing, you will need before starting the intermediate lesson: check your beginner lesson, over and over. mastering an art goes through experience, try as much different chicas as possible in short time sessions. from your experience, you will learn to improve your approach, your conversation, your attitude, as long as you are open to feedback and adapt yourself each time.

most important of all is that it will help you select a chica. i have developed a so called gps (girlfriendly pussy sensor), it allows me to detect the chica that fits with me, not only the chica i like, but the kind of chica that likes me also, in order to build mutual chemistry. my theory is that in an given club with 50 girls, there might be only 2 or 3 chica i would manage to give real emotions, no matter the strategies, the techniques or the efforts i would make to get it. the movie ďhitchĒ, where will smith is a dating expert, gets to exactly the same conclusion : there is no such thing as a winning strategy. itís because itís her and itís him. in real life, trouble is that you might bump into such girl, but she will never comes to you. in a brothel itís the opposite issue, all girls will come to you, and its up to you to detect the right one. here is where mongering experience will help you. only mongering can allow you to meet so many girls and detect a pattern. through regular dating, you would never have come to the requested sample quantity for such analyse and stats. itís not as scientific as it sounds of course, but with the experience you will learn to detect the type of girl that goes best with your own personality. the rest is just a matter of mutual respect and understanding, nothing more. donít forget, the key to success is learning to detect the right girl.

yes, it will take years, but iím simply helping to learn faster. if you canít wait for that, letís assume you have already started some spanish lessons, that you are open to latin culture and you have already some short sessions experience. this lesson will help to increase chances of real emotions during todo la noche.

first issue to face is again selection. during short session, itís not a big deal. you did the wrong choice, never mind, fuck yourself out of the room even if you need to simulate orgasm, return to the bar and get the next one. for an all nighter, things are not that easy, you just have one choice. i canít help you much in this as mutual chemistry is a personal matter. if you have not developed yet your own gfe sensor, one strategy is making a first selection through short session. it doesnít work always, some promising girls during short sessions wonít necessary be much better during todo la noche.

some rely on time, come and visit the girls on a regular basis, develop some kind of friendship if not confidence with a girl before inviting her for a tln. itís a good strategy for selection, but its not because she knows you for some time that you will be guaranteed for mutual chemistry. i guess you know plenty of women around you, you see on a daily basis, but you canít even imagine having sex with. keep focused, on her attitude when she sees you again, on the way she watches at you when you are together.

but if you start to feel something special with a girl during previous short sessions, a good strategy is to date her for another day. it helps her to mentally prepare herself for a todo la noche. she will dress herself in a more convenient way and wait for you that evening, it makes a lot of difference than going for a todo la noche with a girl after she has already processed a couple of other customers before. it requires time however as you need several days to build up such strategy with a girl.

i usually donít have that time in the same place and need to rely to my gfe sensor. i watch all girls in the club, their attitude and behaviour towards other girls and customers. i am not looking for the most beautiful, i simply try to find the one that will suit me most. donít take me wrong, i am not saying that great looking girls are bad performers! just take care that you seam to match together. for example try to imagine yourself walking with her in the street, or look at a mirror if you are with her. it usually is obvious.

girls you notice first with silicon tits, sexy outfit, flashy make-up, confident if not aggressive approach are more likely to be since longer time in the business. they might be great performers, but they have learned over the years not to fall for emotions with customers.

i tend to watch for the wall flowers, the discrete girls who donít speak a word of english, waiting to be approached. some have just started in this business, are homesick and lonely if abroad and far from family and deeply in need of emotional support. you can find some real gems among these girls.

one word about plastic surgery. itís widely used in latin america as beauty is highly valued in these countries. however it remains a dream for most as they canít afford it. hookers will even consider it as an investment and itís the first expense they will make as soon as they have the money. natural tits are the most reliable clue to check if a latina is new in the business. funny is also to notice all those girls with braces in the brothels. it gives them a teenage look, but itís simply that they just got the money to pay for orthodontic healthcare. a great smile and sexy tits, these are the main symbols of beauty for latinas. my opinion is that they donít need plastic surgery, they should instead keep their money and make greater effort to try to loose weight. if the average latina had less fat, i guess i simply would become crazy for the overflow of choice. but each his own of course.

back to selection. letís say you did the right choice. you have the right key, but you must now open the box with it. if you meet your soulmate, nothing may happen if you are not in the right environment and on the right moment. i usually tend to minimize the time in the bar and get her out of her working environment as soon as possible.

letís get back to business first. the most important rule is that you must never ever pay the girl before. the only thing you cantí avoid is the bar fine if there is one. i donít like to negotiate pricing with a girl, but when there is no fixed pricing, the girl will not go for the night before a clear agreement. i usually donít try to negotiate her pricing, for the fixed amount i try to get as much service as i can. iím not the kind of guy making a list of the things i request such as dfk, bbbj, daty etcÖit makes no sense anyway, i have nearly always managed to get what i want during the sessions from girls that had warned previously they donít do this and that. itís a matter of feeling, donít talk about it, make her feel comfortable and get smoothly to it as you would do it with a regular girl. on the other hand, i negotiate usually the time we will stay together. i had been ripped off with my first tln in santo domingo, girls promising tln and leaving in the early morning after only a couple of hours together.

however i bring the subject in a very natural way. i ask her about what she likes to do and offer her to go for it and spend the night together. if she explains me that she would love to spend the night with me and have fun, but that she is here for earning money, i offer her to pay for compensation of the time she canít work in the club. believe me, even hookers appreciate to be respected and seduced. latinas are proud. same for time negotiation. basically, she asks for letís say 200$, i say ok, but we take breakfast together. she asks for 300$, i say ok, but itís your day off, take your swimsuit, we spend all the day together and i bring you back the next evening before the clubs opens again.

letís say you agreed to exit the club or for a meeting the next evening. next is to find what to do. the purpose of spending a whole night with a girl is not to bang her for 12 hours in a raw.
the purpose of tln is to enjoy company, go out in a natural environment and have fun together. one of the greatest thing is to enjoy the frustrated looks of other men who watch at your sexy latina and just donít understand what such great girl is doing with the stupid asshole you are. yeah! you have always watched with envy the other women walking around, this time you are the one who fucks that sexy girl! itís ok to have some primate instinct and be proud of your female trophy. but another very important thing is that it gives you the time to develop a special relationship with the girl before intercourse. keep focused on the goal, you try to get real emotions from the girl, so treat her as if she is a girlfriend.

where could you go? donít make the mistake to bring her to an expensive restaurant. she wonít enjoy sitting without moving for hours in an unusual environment, dealing with unknown codes, eating strange food in company of a scary pervert trying to break silence with conversation of subjects she has no opinion about. believe me, she will probably appreciate much more a regular kentucky friend chicken or pizza hut.

another mistake to avoid is to walk around during daytime in the shopping area. what these girls love most is shopping. yes, it will make her happy, but it will make you poor too!

what these girls usually love are the glamorous places where everybody loves to watch and be watched such as nightclubs, casinos, bars at night , beaches and swimming pools of the main hotels on daytime. but best is simply to ask, some are fed up of the high level of music from her working environment and prefer a more quiet and relaxed place. just do in the same way as you would do with a girlfriend. you have to give her back her dignity for one night, making her forget her hooker status. itís very important to be well dressed. a simple tshirt, cheap jean and sport shoes to try to look young is insulting for her. she wants to be proud to walk around with you. remember that dressing code and social status is highly valued in latin america.

here one of the most efficient strategy i have found although it is not always easy to implement. i have managed on several occasions to invite an escort (itís the best definition) to join a group of friends or business relations for the evening and simply. what matters is that no one knows she is a hooker and that there are among them enough spanish speaking people to allow her to fully interact within the group. itís amazing how these girls can easily play the role as long as you have explained her before how to act. in fact, she will play the character in such a way that she will simply forget she is a hooker, and that is exactly what you are looking for. the result is spectacular, and i mean even when you end up alone at the end of the evening. the ďpretty womanĒ myth is very lively among latinas.

what do we talk about during the evening? the nice thing with a hooker is that these are maybe the only women you can be really yourself with and tell everything. itís very comfortable of course, but i still donít forget to focus on the goal and keep treating her as a usual girlfriend if you want her to be like that also later in bed.

i have usually a very confident attitude with these girls and donít hide anything about my private life. interference is impossible as i monger only outside my home country. i still have learned not to tell about my marital status. a hooker doesnít care of course, but hey, we are looking for the woman behind the hooker. it may sound strange, but marriage is sacred in latin america with a strong catholic culture. even hookers have strong catholic faith, just watch around for religious sign within a latin american brothel. prostitution on the other hand is considered less immoral than infidelity in marriage. prostitution is not a vicious attitude, itís simply considered as a way to survive, nearly a sacrifice in the biblical sense to support family suffering from misery.

on the other hand, love for children is highly valued, itís a good thing to talk about your children. if you act as a divorced man suffering from the distance with your children, you will touch her right in her heart. most of these girls are single mothers. usually, their children are raised my their parents for her to work abroad or in the city. she will have a lot to share about living far from children.

what you should know is that the classical prostitution scheme in latin america is very different from the western prostitution controlled by mafia, pimps and other human traffickers. most latina hookers have no men in their life and are emotionally vulnerable. they live for their family and kids. you should show yourself with great sense of responsibility towards your own kids, in contrast with the assholes that have left them alone raising and supporting their kids. additionally it may be of valuable help later to explain why you canít commit yourself more with her if you feel you are loosing control of your relationship with her. but more about it in the next lesson.

other important thing with latinas, they are proud of their culture and country, especially when abroad. itís insulting for her if you are not even able to point out on a map the country she comes from. i am passionate of latin america, and they love to feel that and share about it as they are homesick when abroad. itís even stronger among colombianas as they have to face abroad the usual reputation about their country: violence, guerrilla and narco traffic. when they meet a foreigner who has fallen in love of their country, they feel as a patriotic duty to be grateful about it and do anything to please.

what does a latina look for with a man? itís not difficult to find the answer, you just need to go to any meeting site such as www.cybercupido.com and read their profiles. all latinas look for a sincere man, faithful, respectful and who will take care of her. they have all been through the classical disillusions of machos disappearing after having left her with the responsibility of raising alone a kid. the telenovelas are also a great source of understanding what the latinas dream of. the ďprincipe azulĒis usually a socially successful mature man that will take care of her. of course, we are not here for marital commitment. just remember that age is not an issue if not valued. donít flash your money and try to impress her with that, you have to act as a successful responsible man who respect and take care of women. westerners have good reputation in the eyes of the latinas, europeans even better. but donít believe they are looking for a visa to leave their country as in other third world countries. latinas love too much their family and country to leave.

enough theory, just relax, be yourself, have a good time with her and forget she is a hooker. i usually avoid physical contact during the evening till we are in the intimacy of a room. no need to grab her tits and ass in public, simply some natural physical contacts such as opening a door, helping her to stand up, protecting her while crossing the street. remember, there is only one exception when physical contact in public is highly valued, itís dancing. with dancing skills you will score high in her books. a latina loves to dance and be leaded by a man as if she is a princess. she will also appreciate the efforts you have made to learn latin dancing, best proof of your passion for latin culture. it also allows her to feel comfortable with your physical contact in a very natural way. if men knew all this, they would make more efforts to try to learn dancing.

enough learned about each other, time for action now. back in your room, you have to make her feel comfortable, as you are now in your territory. latinas are usually well educated, they will not act as if they are at home unless you gave her that permission. explain if she can use the mini fridge, how tv works, where she can leave her clothes, where are the towels to take a shower and so on. i usually start to take a shower and she usually follows. i come back in the room with a towel around my waist, an eye blink to the german fkk.

a few things about safety. if you have paid a bar fine, there is usually no problem, she would be in deep trouble with the club owner if she fucked anything up. most hotels in latin america ask for id when you bring back a female visitor, there is sometimes even an additional charge. itís again for your own safety. but if you have picked up a pro in a nightclub, donít bring her in an anonymous love motel, nothing will guarantee your safety. there are a lot of stories of drugged tourists robbed during their sleep. take care especially if you are not used to travel in latin america. keep your valuables in your safe, lock your stuff in your luggage, donít leave your glass unattended. i know some guys leaving the door key locked up in the safety box to avoid the girl from escaping during the night, but i would not be that paranoiac. rely simply on your instinct.

here we are now in bed. will you be able to get real emotions out of her? donít put too much pressure on yourself, it will not depend very much of your performance in bed. i remember a movie, a little boy asks to a hooker if there is a spot you can make a girl turn crazy by touching it. the hooker replies that he shouldnít dream too much about it. but at the end of the movie, she indicates him that spot: itís her heart. yeah, thatís the trouble with women, even more with latinas, to get an orgasm, emotional stimulation is more important than physical stimulation. however here a few useful things you need to know about female orgasm, nothing specific to latinas even if most of what i have learned was through my experience with colombianas.

for years i believed that a hooker just couldnít get an orgasm. of course, i was so convinced about it that i didnít do anything to give it, there was no reason it would happen. i then learned that my personal attitude had a strong influence on the girlís performance, so i started to take into consideration her comfort and pleasure. i still believed that it was impossible for a woman with a dozen sessions a day to enjoy sex and have an orgasm. i simply made the mistake to believe that female orgasm was similar to male orgasm. what you should know is that an orgasm is an issue for a hooker, as it prevents her from continuing working. a hooker learns to control her body and have sex without feeling anything. the less experienced hookers tend to give therefore mechanical service. the better providers have learned to hide they donít feel anything and can act as if they are enjoying sex. however, when hookers take off their protection, they can again have an orgasm, no matter how many times she had sex before.

why do girls have an orgasm with only some customers and why can we give orgasms only to some girls ? itís simply a matter of mutual chemistry between two persons. women need more feelings than men to enjoy sex. but those who learn to know better their body (hookers are in this category of girls of course)learn also to enjoy sex without feelings. still, even men just enjoy more sex with feelings. feelings are a major factor of success. mutual chemistry can be only physical, but is usually emotional and physical for females.

is there a way to get easier mutual chemistry through attitude? what matters most is to be sincere, respect and have empathy for your partner. there is a theory that we tend to love those who love us. girls are more open if you are open yourself. pnl theory is very interesting, communication specialists know what i mean. women are more sensitive to oral communication, which is usually not maleís best skill. but other senses can be important too, body smell, kiss taste, look in the eyes, skin feelingÖoptimise different senses stimulation, sex is not only about physical rubbing of both genitals. keep eye contact, talk to her in a calm slow voice, kiss her, manage to get her smell your skin, caress her tenderlyÖ.

are sexual skills important for giving an orgasm? yes, but itís just one factor among others. for example a lot of girls seem to react very positively with daty. there are a few biological reasons for that. tongue and lips are soft organs compared to a boned finger or a penis wrapped in a condom. daty allows also better stimulation of the clitoris than with normal intercourse. there are probably also a few emotional reasons, with daty a man is in a position of submission, acting to give and not take pleasure. however, daty requires some experience to be effective. apart from intercourse, another stimulation is fingering or anal, but few girls respond positively, if not an extra charge.

i have learned to improve daty, but it has never mean my favorite option. when there is real chemistry, iím too busy to kiss. my opinion is that female desire comes with kissing. females usually feel that kissing is more intimate than intercourse, some hookers even refuse to kiss, leaving it only for their private life.

intercourse skills can be widely improved trough experience: positions, time extension and orgasm control, adapting rhythm and intensity to the partners reactionsÖof course a premature ejaculator or someone suffering from erectile dysfunction will have trouble giving an orgasm, but no need to be a porn actor. watch out about what is shown in porn movies. it has no other goal than visually stimulating men, donít take it as an example to try to give orgasm. porn shows you basically everything you shouldnít do to please a woman. i have been intimate once with a porn actress. when i watched later one of her movies i realized how different she acted when making love and when fucking for a porn movie.

canít get out of this orgasm faq without answering the usual male question about how important the penis size is to give an orgasm. surprise! it is important. but not the bigger the better. in fact it simply must fit the partnerís body. again, mutual chemistry.

how do we know if the woman has an orgasm? there is a natural suspicion towards hookers that they simulate orgasms. but most hookers wonít try to simulate orgasm unless you ask so. here a few personal stats. during my 200 first sessions, i had not given any orgasm and may be just 10 of them faked an orgasm, which proves that hookers do not usually simulate. after the first orgasm i managed to give, my stats became to improve. two years ago i managed to give orgasm to 1 hooker out of 10 or 20, now i believe i am close to 1 out of 5. there might be a few simulations but most of the time there are clues enough to prove it canít be simulated. still, itís not easy to detect a real female orgasm. each woman reacts different some have discrete orgasm, without any sound or sign while others have biological signs impossible to simulate. i remember that girl with her bright eyes full of energy when we made love and who had her eyelids falling right after her orgasm, that other girl with her skin becoming red, that other one the orgasm had trigged a sudden nipple erection and a chicken skin reflex. there is no greater pleasure than giving pleasure to a woman.

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Routard
02-25-08, 16:46
Latinas are sexy, sensual, passionate and sensitive. That's why the experience you will get with a chica depends largely of the chemistry you will be able to build up with her. The purpose of this lesson is how to get GFE in a short session with a chica. The level is beginnerís level, no previous experience required, no language skill required. Sorry for the more experienced among you, but hey, we have all started as newbies.

First step, very important before heading to a club is body hygiene: take a shower, shave yourself, cut your nails, donít drink alcohol or eat garlic. Dress clean and casual depending the class of club but donít dress like a typical tourist: no shorts, no colourful shirt, no banana belt, no baseball cap....For your safety donít bring any valuable except cash money. Donít act as a gringo, come with local money, not US dollar and donít speak any English. If itís the only language you speakÖwell then keep your lips tight.

You enter the club, and usually the less beautiful girls will come approach before you got the time to look around with a clear "Fucky fucky". Even if she is an ugly barrakuda, never be rude with a girl offering you actually sex! Decline politely but firmly: "No, gracias". She will usually insist, so answer you want to rest before: "Qiero descansarme". She will insist asking why: "Porque?". Answer because you are tired "Porque estoy cansado". Most difficult is usually not to find a girl but to get rid of the girls you donít want. If she insists by you don't want girls? "No quires Chicas?" answer this time you want a girl, but a girl in particular: "Quiero una chica, pero une chica en particular". This is usually very effective. There is a sort of chica rule to respect the customer of another chica, they fear catfight. She hen might try to help you find her and ask for her name. Just give any name and if she replies that there is not a girl with such a name : ę No hay Carolina (or whatever) aqui Ľ, then just answer thatí itís her real name: ę Es tu verdadero nombre Ľ. Chicas usually know only the artist names of their competitors.

It might sound a lot of effort simply to get rid of a chica, but itís important. Never go with the first you can find, take your time to chose the right one. Itís also important to stay cool with each girl, you are building up a reputation for the evening in this club. Never avoid her look or turn your head, simply smile each time. Have a small talk even with girls that donít fancy you. Act as if you are a regular, donít look around as if itís your first time. Donít hesitate also to discuss with other customers. You will not only act as a regular, they might be of great help to get useful info. Other Westerners are usually glad to meet fellow travellers and locals are usually honoured to discuss with foreigners. Donít forget also the staff, they wonít forget you at your next visit, especially if you tip them.

Take a beer or better a Coke at the bar by asking: "Quiro una cerbeza" or "Quiero una Coca Cola". Ask the price "Cuanto es?". Please at least try to learn from a phrasebook to count till 100. You will need this each time. At worst you might do hand signs, acting as if the music is too loud.

Once drinking at the bar, you have plenty of time to have a look around. The success depends mostly on the choice of the girl, so take your time. Check the physical appearance, imagine the body. Take care, they have learnt to hide their imperfections behind clothing and make-up, you have to be careful especially with the typical nightclub lighting. Apart from physical appearance, you can learn a lot about her personality trough her attitude towards other chicas and guests. ę La cara es el espejo del alma Ľ, the face is the mirror of the soul. Donít look only for beauty, the physical appearance express usually a good part of her attitude. Try to find the one that seems to match most with yourself, imagine for example yourself both together looking in a mirror. You can learn also a lot by the way she looks at you. Your judgment will become better and better with time and experience.

Usually the most beautiful girls will not approach you, you will have to make the first move. It might sound intimidating, especially if you donít speak Spanish. But you are the one who has to keep control over the process. There is a magical opening sentence: "Hola chica!". If you recognize her from the last time, you can even add you are happy to see her again: "Me alegro de verte".

If it is the first time start the usual introducting questions. What's you're name: "Como te llamas?" My name is..."Me llamo...", How old are you "Cuanto anos tienes?" I'm ... "Tengo..anos" Again you need to count till 100 (well I hope to less). Where do you come from :" De Donde eres?" She will usually reply she is from Colombia "Soy de Colombia" and you will answer "Soy de ...". If she asks anything you can return the question: ę Y tu ? Ľ.

You can always check if she speaks other languages but donít count too much on it: Hablas, InglŤs ? Ľ. If she asks for your Spanish level answer: ę Poco Ľ.

She might soon get the wrong impression you understand everything. Jus tell her ę No entiendo Ľ or ask to speak slower ę Despacio por favor Ľ. If you canít find a word point it out and say ę Como se diseÖ Ľ.

You can communicate easily by using only words and verbs, the way you say it might be enough to replace a full sentence. For example: ę Bailar ? Ľ to invite her for a dance. There are some useful electronic translators, sometimes even software you can download on your mobile phone, chicas love these electronic stuff, especially mobile phones. It allows also to share pics and learn a lot from each other without speaking. Other nice sharing is music you can listen together on a mpeg reader. I have a PDAphone with GPS with all those stuff inside, but also electronic maps to show where I live and ask her to point out where she comes from.

Invite her for a drink, it makes her understand she can stay with you. In some clubs she will receive a tip for making a customer drink, at least she will not feel as if she is loosing of her precious time. Do you want to drink anything? ę Quieres beber algo ? Ľ Please ę Por favor Ľ.

Try to compliment her. I know, it sounds bullshit to you, but believe me any woman in world, even SW love to hear compliments. If it looks difficult to you, just imagine that everytime you give a compliment, her pussy is getting wet. Do it before, during and even after sex, unless you are just looking for quick sex. I'm presuming here that you are looking for GFE sex.

Your eyes turn me crazy "Tus oyos me vuelven loco"
You are the most beautiful girl here "Eres la chica mas guapa de aqui" At least I hope this is true, if you find another girl more beautiful, then go to see her.
I like your smile "Me gusta tu sonrisa"
I like your perfume "Me gusta tu perfume"
You have a wonderful body "Tienes un cuerpo bonito"
What a nice hair "Que pelo!"

Even if you have eyes only for her ass, donít tell it to her, itís too early for that. Itís a hooker, but itís not only a hooker. Go slowly, when you will touch her for the first time on a non sexual related part of her body, tell her how sweet is her skin: ę Tienes un piel muy suave Ľ.

Try to become more personal, asking if her parents are in Colombia "Tus padres viven en Columbia", do you have children "Tienes hijos", do you have brother and sisters "tienes hermanos y hermanas?" are you married "Eres Casada?" She or you willl answer you have one boy and one girl "Tengo un hijo y un hija", you are married "estoy casado"

Don't make it look like a police investigation at that point you need to be sensitive and show compassion. Say that it is not easy working here and having her children there "No es facil trabajar aqui y tus hijos en Colombia". Believe me, she will appreciate it. Being far from her family and children is much harder than her job herself. It might be even the trigger for her to become more personal as you seem to understand her, at least what matters most for her. She might start to speak freely about herself. Your job is to listen. No matter if you don't understand everything, just look interested to what she is telling you and look her straight in her eyes, while you touch her very lightly any part of her body but a sexual zone.

If she feels you are not understanding anything, just apologize saying you were watching how beautiful she is ę Lo siento, estoy mirandote, eres tan bonita ! Ľ. Most important is to keep eye contact, donít watch around for the other chicas! Touch her slightly avoiding any sexual related part of her body. Itís the NLP method, maximize your effect on her by using simultaneously oral, visual and contact communication. Donít forget, itís more important to listen to her than to speak. You might need from time to time to tell anything, try to learn in Spanish a funny story about yourself, it helps to fill the blanks.

After a while, she will bring you back to business and ask you to go to the room. Let her make that move, she will need to make it as she canít discuss all night long. Itís not always useful to negotiate price, rememember, you are supposed to be a regular and know the price list. If there is any doubt, ask "Cuanto es?". Once again, you need to be able to count in Spanish. And here my best advice: never discuss the price she will give, discuss instead ask for the best service.

DFK ? ę Beso con lengua ? Ľ
BBBJ ? ĽChupar sin condom ? Ľ
Anal ę Por el culo Ľ ?

I never ask specifically for anything special. Itís hard for her to promise anything before she knows you, it will be much more easy to get it on a natural way without asking for it. I just make her understand that Iím looking for GFEę Cuidado, soy muy carinoso Ľ . If she uses any word like "fucky...fucky", just correct her and reply you want GFE:"No quiero fucky fucky, quiero hacer el amor". Even if she looks surprised, or finds it funny, she will consider it on another way. You made it clear you didn't come only for a quick fuck like the usual customers, you want more. Itís good also to check she will take her time. Again, I ask it on a natural way, Iím not negotiating for an exact time. ę No tenemos prisa, por favor despacio conmigo Ľ.

Once in the room pay the asked price (once again, I hoped you have learned to count Spanish in order to avoid any problem at that point) and undress. At that point, if you expect GFE, I hope you took care to take a shower and have good breath. Else, you might ask her before if you can ask her bathroom (it is not standard, but they never refused it to me). "Puedo tomar una ducha?" and add that it will be nicer for her "Es mas agradable para ti tambien". You make it clear once again that you are trying to make her having a good time also.

When she is undressed, you defenitly have to give again a compliment."Que maravillosa!" as it is the most intimate moment, ę Caliente ! Ľ ou ę Que guapa ! Ľ.

Start smooth preliminaries, make a difference with the other customers by being very tender. Treat her like a princess. These first moments are very important for the rest of the session. Keep eye contact, never force anything. Kissing is not standard, but if you do it right you will rarely have any refusal. Get sometimes closer to her mouth, and as soon as you feel she will allow it, start to kiss. If you feel she is reluctant, donít force it and try it later, donít let her bring to the point that she needs to warn she doesnít kiss. She needs to feel comfortable first, notice your oral hygiene. Look at her and touch her as if she is very precious.

Never enter your finger in her pussy before you are sure it is wet. It might hurt her, a pussy is very sensitive. Again donít bring her to the point that she needs to tell you fingering is not standard. No need to go deep, clitoris is in the outer part of the pussy, on the top between the outer and the inner lips. check your biological school lessons again. Be careful, the clitoris is even more sensitive than the rest of the pussy. Let her guide you, each girl reacts on a different way. Donít insist if she is doesnít like it, you will ruin the rest of your session if you hurt her.

Performing DATY is rarely refused. If she refuses, there might be a good reason for it so donít insist! Check carefully for hygiene before diving deeply in the plate. Iím not a huge fan of DATY, some girls donít like to kiss after. On the other hand, DATY can be for other girls the only way of getting an orgasm, as fingers have bones and nails and penis donít allow direct skin contact due to condom. The good thing about DATY is that is allows to lubricate the pussy, so she wonít need to put any lub. I hate when a girl comes with her lub tube. Performing DATY requires experience. You might find out for example that itís more effective to stimulate a pussy using your lips than your tongue. But again, each girl is different.

Try to avoid her to start directly with a BJ, as she might try to go direct for intercourse as soon as she notices an erection. What I always refuse is let her put a condom. If she doesnít want to do BBBJ, I have to respect this, of course, but then I rather prefer not to have a BJ. No way I will allow a condom during preliminaries. I know some of you need a BJ to get an erection. Just ask ę puedes chuparme Ľ.

As a reminder, as soon as the condom is on, intercourse will follow soon and as a matter of fact also the end of the session. To delay it when she tries to put the condom, just say : ę Tenemos tiempo Ľ.

Once you're ready for intercourse, let her put you the condom. Again don't let her put any lub. If she is worried about it, lick her pussy or spit on your finger and gently make her pussy wet.

If she still tries to put the lub, just tell her:: ę No necessitas, serť muy suave Ľ. Yu canít blame her for being cautious, some guys act as if they are porn stars. If you feel she is comfortable enough, you can start intercourse on the missionary position. This will allow you to control the most sensitive part, the beginning. start very smoothly, as she needs to get wet by herself. Cowgirl might be also a good start as it allows to control herself the start. Once you feel she is wet enough, you can try all your favorite positions. The doggy style is "Perrito", if you want her to come on you ask "Puedes venir arriba". Take care all the time that she is also comfortable and that she also enjoys it. Try to check her reactions and adapt your position, rhythm or amplitude to it. Be sensitive and ask her also : "Te gusta?". If you did anything wrong, that made have hurt her or feel uncomfortable, ę Lo siento Ľ. Don't forget to compliment her sometimes, even small words like "Rica!" or "Me gusta mucho". Other useful words are slower ę mas suave Ľ, or faster ę mas duro Ľ.

With all these efforts, you have probably reached your goal and you are having GFE. The rest is up to you. Just a few useful words for the end:

Orgasming ę Terminar Ľ
Tip ę propina Ľ
Good by ę Adios Ľ
Tahnk you ę Merci Beaucoup Ľ
Take care ę Cuidate Ľ

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Routard
02-25-08, 16:56
I did my first mongering steps with the Colombianas in the Saint Maarten brothels. Mongering became a real passion, I tried the to discover as much brothels throughout the world as I could. I have had great adventures everywhere, I tried the major sex destinations such as Dominican Republic or Thailand, I visited worldís best brothels such as the German FKK and the Brazilian Termas, but I never felt as much at home as with my Colombianitas in the Caribbean brothels. I became a real Colombiana addicted and did my pilgrimage in each of these islands where these Colombianas go, not only Saint Maarten but also Curacao, Aruba, or Trinidad. I went through all different steps with them, learning how to get GFE, discovering I could get and give real emotions. The first time I discovered I could give an orgasm to a hooker was with a Colombiana. I have developed true friendship with several of them, keeping in touch trough Internet over the years. And of course I felt in love. Each monger will have to face it at least once in his career, I had this experience with a Colombiana. This experience brings all kind of questions as dating a hooker is a serious issue. I ended my pilgrimage in Colombia and felt in love ofÖa country. Once in Colombia, everything turned out real different. I wasnít a monger anymore, I dated regular girls. I hadnít dated girls for 20 years, I was glad that I did this experience again with Colombianas. It made me raise a lot of questions such as why paying if you can get much better for free? Am I still a monger? Colombia had a major impact in my life, it changed a lot of things in my personal and professional life. But sharing daily life with a Latina was the ultimate step that remained. Itís a strange experience. After having hunted throughout the world, the object of my research is now waiting for me each evening in my own home.

ISG has been as diary book for me. I could find back all the different steps of my learning curb with Latinas. Sharing experience is what itís about on ISG. It helped me a lot and I hope I have helped others too. I had written a couple of years ago a Latina Rookie guide. I believed it could be useful to others to write everything I would have liked to know when I discovered Latinas myself. Since then, I have learned much more that could also be useful to others. Thanks to ISG I could find back each different level I went through during all theses years and have divided my guide in five chapters, each representing a different level in the learning phase of Chica management.

Donít take my academical style too serious. I donít pretend to be an expert in this field, I simply try to help others with what I have learned myself during all those years. Iím looking forward your reactions.

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Ricker
02-25-08, 18:11
Wow! What a guide you wrote there amigo!

I just skimmed through it all, but it seems very good. I will print it out and read it on a long flight to South America. Matter of fact, I fly to Brazil on Wed. , I'll read it all then on the flight.

I started my mongering in Centro America and still remember about 10 years ago when I finally visited for the first time Colombia and fell in love with the country, the culture and the chicas.

When reading through your guide, it's easy to see that you are an individual with the skills, the empathy and the heart to see the beauty of the Colombiana, apart from her physical beauty.

Guys should read and learn from your guide. However, one thing I have learned in my travels; not every guy wants to or is able to get into the hearts of these Colombianitas like you seem to have done.

It's cool that you wrote this guide. I don't have the writing skills or patience to write like you.

Bien hecho amigo!

Tom 33
02-26-08, 01:17
R,

Thanks for your take.

Pelo is pubic hair. So you might try cabello when complimenting her hair.

Nortelx
02-26-08, 03:03
Not quite, Tom.

"pelo pķbico" is pubic hair.

In Latin American slang "el vello publico" can also be used to refer to pubic hair. "pelo" is just hair.

Fantasy
02-26-08, 05:24
Routard,

All kidding aside, Your Chica Management report is very well written, and i enjoyed it. I remember, as well, those afternoons in 1994-95 at the Seamans Club, getting to know Colombianas.

Madd Love
02-26-08, 05:55
I was thinking of heading to colombia and never been there. But wanted a little info. What are the prices for the girls? ex all night? 1 hour etc? and also what would be a better place to go? Bogata Medellin? or somwhere else?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks fellas

Cachorro
02-26-08, 06:46
R,

Thanks for your take.

Pelo is pubic hair. So you might try cabello when complimenting her hair.I always understood vello to be pubic hair.

I think pelo can be interchangeable, though I'm not certain.

There are numerous spelling and grammatical errors in the written Spanish. When I find some time, I'll scan through the guide and PM some corrections which could be edited into the report. Unless someone beats me to it.

But let's applaud, this guide of Routard's is great! 5 stars for completeness.

It's a master class for any newbies.

UrbanWildlife
02-26-08, 07:58
Thanks so much Routard for taking the time and effort to write your series of posts. The sharing of your experiences and knowledge in a story form might very well be the best written piece EVER written on Latinas and how to approach and respect them. Just an outstanding job, and it was a real pleasure to read it.

Ricker
02-26-08, 14:43
R,

Thanks for your take.

Pelo is pubic hair. So you might try cabello when complimenting her hair.Hahahaha.

Actually, when talking about a hair on the cabeza (head), cabello is the correct term, however, pelo does not specifically mean pubic hair. Pelo means hair.

Pelo can be used when talking about hair on your arms, legs, back, chest or pubic hair. Also can be used for hair in general ... for example ... "corte de pelo" is a haircut.

Buen dia amigo!

BeersTerry
02-26-08, 16:21
When I used pelo, a paisa corrected me as pelo was used to mean pubic hair whereas when I used the word in another country, it was just hair.

MJG Dogs
02-26-08, 17:44
One of the best insightful reports that I have read. Well done

Bango Cheito
02-26-08, 18:57
Pelo is just slang for "cabello". Your gf was just being a snot!

Tom 33
02-27-08, 15:13
Pelo can be used when talking about hair on your arms, legs, back, chest or pubic hair. Also can be used for hair in general ... for example ... "corte de pelo" is a haircut.Correct. Maybe he meant a to compliment her chest hair?

Ricker
03-02-08, 16:59
Hey guys, as some of you may know, I've been visiting Colombia for a long time.

Recently though, my work has brought me to both Argentina and Brazil.

I still visit frequently and semi-live in Cali.

I say semi-live because though my main girlfriend lives in Cali (where I go for true love and we have an apartment, I am a vagabundo (vagabound) at heart and am always on the move. For work or exploring.

Anyway, I recently wrote an e-mail to a good friend of mine who asked me my opinion on the new cities I'm now visiting versus Colombia.

I apologize to those who don't care to read about either Argentina or Brazil on this Colombia forum, but I think it may be relevant to some who may like to read my take on the comparison of cities / countries.

Here's the email:

Hey mi amigo, nice to hear from you! Sounds like you had a wonderful time con tu noviacita in Colombia. Wish I could've hooked up with you guys. Actually I would've loved to see the fotos of the beautiful places you guys visited. Always nice to see. Ok. On to my experiences in Argentina and Brazil.

Remember, I've only been to each place a couple times now, for 2 days at a time. I'm no expert, but I'm a fast learner with mucha experiencia. I'll also be visitng both places with mucha frequencia for the forseeable future. Imagine that, every couple days visiting either Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo for 2 days at a time.

Am I a lucky cat or what? BUENOS AIRES: Amigo, this is a beautiful city. Like mixing Paris with South America.

I've only skimmed the surface, but what I see, I like.

If you love to sit in a sidewalk cafe sipping a morning coffee and chica watch, there are plenty of places.

If you like having a great, tasty meal, either in a simple outdoor cafe or a place mas elegante, they are plenty. And barrato (inexpensive). The city is full of old architecture and so much fun to explore. I really dig it.

The chicas I see in general are OK. I'd definitely say, you see more beauty walking about in Colombia, IMHO. You will, however, see some absolute stunning muchachas in BA.

I'd give Colombia the definite edge on average beauty, but to be honest, BA wins on the stunners.

Like I posted on the ISG, I believe I made love to the most beautiful chica I've ever been with on my first visit to BA. A natural blonde, bronze tan, sweetheart. Actually met her in an obscure privado. A new pro, but now mi amiguita. Can't wait to see her again, tommorrow! As far as the PFP scene goes. There are many venues for sure. From the expensive clubs to the lesser tier clubs, the many many privados (private apartments with several chicas avail), to the websites of escorts, newspaper ads, etc, there is much to choose from. From my limited BA experience so far though, is that there are many hardened pros. These chicas have seen many a gringo, and definitely know how to grab the pesos if allowed.

Speaking spanish and knowing the game, in BA is even more important than in Colombia or Venezuela, IMO.

I've visited the "gringo hangouts" and have talked with the chicas and the naive type gringos hanging out there.

I laughed, politely, at the offering prices they were asking initially and after chatting and charming them a bit, lowered the asking prices pretty good. I've even made a couple friendships with these chicas already. Overall, the city is much nicer IMO than any in Colombia. Medellin has the better climate though.

Plenty of PFP available. A bit more expensive than Colombia, not by much though.

I would give the Colombianita the definite edge on sweetness. Really hard to beat the sweet Colombiana.

The general people in BA are a bit more reserved than in Colombia. Very nice, but not as quick to open up to you.

In Colombia I've found, you can make a friend very quickly and easy, in BA it takes a bit more to open the people up. They are nice though.

I do love to hear the chicas speak that Argentine espanol though. Sounds pretty sexy. A lot more "shhhhhhh" in their espanol. "Hola, como te sshhhamas? " for example. SAO PAULO, Brazil: Let me put it like this. As much as I dig the city of BA, I love the people of Brazil! I only know Sao Paulo, Brazil but I imagine the rest of Brazil is similar as far as the attitude of the people go. Much more my style of people than in BA. Much more similar to the attitude of people in Colombia, especially the coastal cities of Colombia and Cali. You can make a friend in a minute. Fits my personality. The city is not nearly as nice as BA, IMO. It's like NY city but with much sexier women walking about and available.

Don't get me wrong, the city is nice, nicer than most in Colombia, but not on level with BA. The chicas. I absolutely love. What I really like is all the shapes and sizes and colors of the chicas. From black to white and all in between, I love it! (BA being very much on the light skin). Like I posted earlier on the ISG, I've been with many many women, many beauties in my travels, but I am wowed by the Brazillian garrotas (chicas). In my limited and new experience with them, I am hooked by their absolute love and energy for great sex. I have not had a less than fantastic time yet with a Brazilera. I'd once again give Colombia the nod for general beauty walking the streets, but by a long shot give Brazil the most sexy award. As far as the PFP goes, again many venues in Sao Paulo, could get pretty expensive if you visit the upscale clubs.

Once again I'll say, that's not my style (upscale, high priced) though fun to check out to see if you may be able to schmooze a chica for her phone number for later. I've always found, if a chica digs ya, she digs ya. High priced Pro or not.

I'm, however, the seeker of gems.

In the small hidden places, and once again I hit gold in Sao Paolo.

Actually twice already. Found one sexy beauty in a small prive and another in a lower end sauna. Both loved me like a long lost boyfriend coming home from the war Speaking of the saunas. That is fun! Nothing like it in Colombia.

I loved chatting with the chicas, learning portugues, they enjoyed converting my espanol to portugues, making out with several garrotas (they seem to love kissing), and of course, some GREAT sex! I dig the Brazilera so much, that I am intensifying my studying of portugues. My espanol is pretty good and I really want to learn to schmooze now in portugues. OVERALL: For the nicest city, most to explore and feel the European flavor, as well as plenty of avail PFP. BA of course. For the sexiest chicas on the planet IMHO and the best energy sex IMHO and some real nice, open people. Sao Paulo, Brazil For the sweetest chicas and to fall in love, it's hard to beat the sweet Colombianita. As much as a Brazilera is born to screw your lights out, the Colombiana is born to love and take care of you. Have fun! We'll talk soon amigo. Keep in touch.

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Gary Groundwork
03-02-08, 20:00
I was thinking of heading to colombia and never been there. But wanted a little info. What are the prices for the girls? ex all night? 1 hour etc? and also what would be a better place to go? Bogata Medellin? or somwhere else?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks fellasFor a holiday-cartehena (warm, beaches, loads of girls)

For pure mongering-Bogota

MiamiHeatLuver
03-03-08, 15:05
Or in Colombia already? Seems like Colombia is on the brink of war with Venezuela and Ecuador. I was wondering, if you are in Colombia already, what is the general census and feeling and setiment overall within the locals and/or towards gringos? Also if you plan to travel recently do you have any reservations? I am scheduled to travel this weekend and am worried that the commercial airlines will stop service to and from Colombia during war and I would get stuck there. Oh yeah, Im also worried about dodging bullets in the streets. lol

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html

Sandman0011
03-03-08, 15:23
The Alcaldes office finally posted the official dates for the 2008 Flower Festival (Feria de las Flores) as being August 1st- August 10th.

Better start making your reservations soon if you plan to attend. Look for a small increase over normal prices for most places.

You can find out more at www.medellintravelguide.com/medellin_flowerfestival.html There are links to some videos from last years Cabalgata during the festival.

Sandman

Romello
03-04-08, 03:25
I plan on heading to Colombia in July.

Which city is best for beach, mongering, and nightlife between Cartagena or Barranquilla?

Which city is best for mongering, nightlife, and safe between Bogota, Medellin, or Cali?

AddictedToWomen
03-04-08, 18:21
Or in Colombia already? Seems like Colombia is on the brink of war with Venezuela and Ecuador. I was wondering, if you are in Colombia already, what is the general census and feeling and setiment overall within the locals and/or towards gringos? Also if you plan to travel recently do you have any reservations? I am scheduled to travel this weekend and am worried that the commercial airlines will stop service to and from Colombia during war and I would get stuck there. Oh yeah, Im also worried about dodging bullets in the streets. lol

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.htmlColombia is on the brink of another burst of hot air from Chavez, no more, I suspect.

What's more of concern is if the farc are planning reprisals. If so, it could get nasty. Think car bombs, grenades thrown into bars, attacks on shopping malls.

It wouldn't stop me from visiting but I would exercise a certain restraint.

The good news is it might make Santa Fe safer than P 93!

Gary Groundwork
03-05-08, 04:36
I plan on heading to Colombia in July.

Which city is best for beach, mongering, and nightlife between Cartagena or Barranquilla?

Which city is best for mongering, nightlife, and safe between Bogota, Medellin, or Cali?1) Cartagena

2) Bogota-you have parque 93, the Zona Rosa, Santa Fe and a multitude of other casas.

Bango Cheito
03-05-08, 04:59
Santa Fe really isn't any more dangerous than 93 as it stands now anyways. No paseos millionarios happen in Santa Fe.

Tom 33
03-05-08, 11:39
I plan on heading to Colombia in July.

Which city is best for beach, mongering, and nightlife between Cartagena or Barranquilla?

Which city is best for mongering, nightlife, and safe between Bogota, Medellin, or Cali?There is no beach in BAQ, and it bears little comparison to CTG.

Cali is not safe. Stay away. BOG and MDE both have lots to offer. BOG is colder, as in bring a jacket. If you don't know Colombia well, especially if you don't speak Spanish well, limit yourself to CTG.

Routard
03-05-08, 19:18
As much as a Brazilera is born to screw your lights out, the Colombiana is born to love and take care of you.Great analysis, Ricker. Can't agree more.

Romello
03-06-08, 02:46
There is no beach in BAQ, and it bears little comparison to CTG.

Cali is not safe. Stay away. BOG and MDE both have lots to offer. BOG is colder, as in bring a jacket. If you don't know Colombia well, especially if you don't speak Spanish well, limit yourself to CTG.Thanks for the input.

Ricker
03-07-08, 21:58
Great analysis, Ricker. Can't agree more. Well, I finally read thoroughly the Routard report / guide on Chica Management.

Very well written. Brought back lots of memories.

I'm sure I have graduated through all levels he discussed.

I do have to say that I've met some great chicas working as pros. Some have ended up as girlfriends and others as friends.

Anyway, I agree with nearly everything in his guide. Seems like the guide was geared towards meeting chicas (pros) in brothels, like those Colombian brothels in the Carribean.

Though the concepts remain basically the same when seeking and dating these chicas in Colombia itself, there are differences.

The main difference being that the chicas working in these Carribean brothels are almost imprisoned, having to pay fines if late, no show etc.

The chicas you meet in Colombia are free to do whatever they want. Much easier and much less expensive to get TLN in Colombia. No multas to pay.

As a matter of fact, it's easy to get the TLN for free.

If you treat these chicas right and they really dig you, you can easily move from client to amigo / semi-novio or even novio if you want.

Done it many many times.

Still doing it

I do disagree with the assessment that the chicas in Colombia from African origins will be more materialistic and less sensitive regarding feelings (page 1 of Level 2) I've found that to be absolutely not true.

As a matter of fact I've found the "lighter skin" chicas of Medellin to be the most materialistic of all.

And my latest "dark skin" Colombian beauty is the most sensitive I've had in Colombia.

I also think it's funny the part about Westerners have a good reputation, Europeans EVEN better.

I think senor Routard must be from Europe

Truth is, Westerners in general are held in high regard.

I've actually heard from my Colombian friends that some europeans can be a bit "colder" in personality.

Whatever, just was funny for me to read that in the guide

I LOVED the part about GPS (Girlfriend Pussy Sensor). Right on amigo.

A good monger, chica seeker, chica lover, etc must develop this sixth sense to be successful.

Funny thing happen to me the other day. I was in a club in Buenos Aires, Argentina. A beautiful, sexy chica entered the club. She semed different. Her walk, her smile, her sexiness.

I said to my buddies that she must be Colombian.

The chica heard me and smiled, approached me and said "como sabias? " (how did you know? )

I just smiled and said "no es dificil, las Colombianas son las mas bellas del mundo"

That was my GPS at work

Great guide! Thanks and Good Luck senor!

PS. Also funny, your espanol for THANK YOU on page 4 is MERCI BEAUCOUP

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Routard
03-10-08, 15:34
Well, I finally read thoroughly the Routard report / guide on Chica Management. Anyway, I agree with nearly everything in his guide.There is no better compliment coming from the expert you are!


I do disagree with the assessment that the chicas in Colombia from African origins will be more materialistic and less sensitive regarding feelings (page 1 of Level 2) I've found that to be absolutely not true.Good to hear, I guess I have this feeling due to a few personal bad experiences.


I also think it's funny the part about Westerners have a good reputation, Europeans EVEN better.As far as I could experience it, they don't make a difference between Europeans or Americans in Latin America, both being referred as gringos. There is only one difference, when it comes to political opinions, there are sometimes some strong anti-US opinions.


Also funny, your espanol for THANK YOU on page 4 is MERCI BEAUCOUPHehe! the first version of my Chica Guide was on a French forum for a French friend who was deeply in need of help. I guess I have missed a few translations.

Thanks for your input Ricker.

Ricker
03-10-08, 18:02
There is no better compliment coming from the expert you are!

As far as I could experience it, they don't make a difference between Europeans or Americans in Latin America, both being referred as gringos. There is only one difference, when it comes to political opinions, there are sometimes some strong anti-US opinions.


Thanks for your input Ricker.Hahahaha. Wouldn't exactly say I was an expert, I've just got lots of experience.

You're right on about the politics though, but even more true in other S. American countries apart from Colombia. Colombia being the most alligned politically with the US. I'm in Brasil at the moment.

From the get go, I let them know that I'm a lover not a fighter Un gringo dulce.

Take care mi amigo! Good luck out there!

MJG Dogs
03-10-08, 19:43
This is nothing new, at times is gets worse. Look what happened to Nixon when he was VP, when he visited the shithole known as Venezuela in the 1950's, he was pelted with food and threatened. It gets stoked more by the European media these days, which is not surprising since the european elite deep deep down hate americans, always have and always will. The thing that is so stupid is that americans are too blind to see this and the democrats want to be in the good graces of Brussels again, what the fuck for? Chavez will see the same fate as Allende did in due time.

In Colombia I do not think it is hatred, like it is in Venezuela, but resentment and a feeling that americans owe them something. This seems to be more pronounced among the poor. Many colombians think that we have a money tree in our backyards that we water and then pick the bills from its branches.

Optic Guard
03-10-08, 20:13
I have been a member of this forum for about 4 years and I would like to know why no one uses the hostels systems to go to places like Manzales or Piera or even Medellin.

I have seen a lot of the for about 20 dollars.

2# how is the monger with older woman there around 30 and above I have not heard much.

Just asking,

Tom

Trendy Andy
03-11-08, 18:03
IMHO the reason why europeans are more "intriguing" - the are less in colombia than americans! Further, the US is known by TV or maybe personal, while europe is so much away.

Everytime I owned I am german I get positive feedback at all. Also there are f.e. german schools in colombia, arts interchange and many more. And, sadly to say, after 1945 a lot germans headed to south america, undesired in germany but welcomed in SA and they brought a lot of good things.

AddictedToWomen
03-11-08, 18:10
...since the european elite deep deep down hate americans, always have and always will.

...americans are too blind to see this and the democrats want to be in the good graces of Brussels again, what the fuck for?

... a feeling that americans owe them something. This seems to be more pronounced among the poor. Many colombians think that we have a money tree in our backyards that we water and then pick the bills from its branches.I don't know where to start with this! Since when did Europeans hate Americans? (I assume you mean US Americans? Or are you extending that to the inhabitants of two continents?) Sure there are some, but xenophobia is alive and kicking back home too last time I checked.

I ain't seen much evidence that the Democrats cow-tow to Brussels but Europe's certainly a large economic block now that any government wanting to enhance trade would ignore at its peril.

And finally something with relevance to Colombia: Many poor don't hate US citizens exclusively. They hate *all* ricos equally, regardless of race, color, creed, or nationality. Its a very disempowering attitude as its logical conclusion is that they can't do anything their own economic situation, so they don't.

MJG Dogs
03-11-08, 23:08
I did not say all Europeans hate citizens of the USA, but certainly the European elites and European media do. The constant bashing of the american people, american laws, is overboard and quite frankly I am sick of it. After Bush leaves in 2009, nothing will change, they will still hate us.

I did not say colombians hate us, but resent us, and your analysis is spot on as to why. Where as Venezuela has been hostile to americans since the 1950's.

Trendy Andy,

You may be on to something, but there are probably more Germans in Argentina, paraguay and Urugray than Colombia. Yes more gringos in Colombia.

Client 9
03-13-08, 05:18
I have been following the recent posts to this thread, and I decided to offer the opinion of a contrarian.

Routard's series is excellent and I agree with almost all of it. I want to emphasize the bottom line, however. The bottom line is that you will not know what Routard knows until you speak Spanish. The ability to speak Spanish will increase both the quantity and quality of your experiences with Colombian women beyond your wildest imagination.

Colombian men are experts at telling women what they want to hear. Likewise, Colombian women are experts at telling men what they want to hear. Colombian women do not prefer European men over American men. Furthermore, Colombian women do not prefer American men over Colombian men. I hate to burst some egos around here, but that's the truth.

Like women everywhere on Planet Earth, Colombian women prefer successful men over unsuccessful men. There are more beautiful women in the world than successful men, especially in Colombia. Furthermore, Colombia is an extremely elitist society.

Colombian women will say that they prefer foreign men for three simple reasons. First, that's what foreign men want to hear. Second, foreign men in Colombia are more likely to be financially successful than Colombian men. Third, successful Colombian men do not take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular Colombian woman may be.

Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. Colombian women prefer men from South America over men from North America. Colombian women prefer North American men over European men. Colombian women prefer European men over Asian men. And so on and so forth. Again, I hate to burst any egos but that's the truth.

Fortunately, these geographic preferences are far less of a priority for Colombian women than the universal preference of global women everywhere for successful men over unsuccessful men.

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Ricker
03-13-08, 23:23
Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. Colombian women prefer men from South America over men from North America. Colombian women prefer North American men over European men. Colombian women prefer European men over Asian men. And so on and so forth. Again, I hate to burst any egos but that's the truth.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Hmmmm. You must be visiting a different Colombia than me then.

I've been going to Colombia for years, many years, and I have many Colombian friends, male and female, and have had many girlfriends. My spanish is very good.

Your observations IMHO are way off. Not sure how you came to those conclusions about Colombian chicas preferring South American men, etc.

I do agree with the part about speaking spanish though. It absolutely opens doors and makes the whole experience so much better.

Take care

Routard
03-14-08, 01:37
Like women everywhere on Planet Earth, Colombian women prefer successful men over unsuccessful men. There are more beautiful women in the world than successful men, especially in Colombia. It's one of the keypoint of my chica management guide. Excellent input.

It took me days of efforts to write down all I had learnt about Colombianas in a useful guide, and I feel sorry to read that it's used just to start an irrelevant transatlantic confrontation. Hey, read it gain, and use it instead to get the ultimate experience: una Colombiana enamorada.

Client 9
03-14-08, 05:46
Hmmmm. You must be visiting a different Colombia than me then.

I've been going to Colombia for years, many years, and I have many Colombian friends, male and female, and have had many girlfriends. My spanish is very good.

Your observations IMHO are way off. Not sure how you came to those conclusions about Colombian chicas preferring South American men, etc.

I do agree with the part about speaking spanish though. It absolutely opens doors and makes the whole experience so much better.

Take careHello Ricker,

No, I'm going to the same Colombia you do. I've been traveling to Latin America (including Colombia) for 15 years. I also have lived and worked in multiple American cities with significant Colombian populations. I speak Spanish very well. I have had countless Colombian girlfriends, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. I feel my conclusions are accurate, and I'll explain why because you seem interested.

First, Colombian women prefer men that speak their language. Do most North American men speak Spanish fluently? Do most South American men speak Spanish fluently?

Second, Colombian women prefer men that understand their culture. Do most North American men understand Latino culture in general or Colombian culture in particular? Do most South American men understand Latino culture?

Third, Colombian women prefer men that can dance salse and merengue. Do most North American men dance salsa and merengue? Do most South American men dance salsa and merengue?

Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress?

Do I need to continue? Ricker, do you agree or disagree?

Again, Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. However, this is virtually irrelevant. Why? Because of far greater priority to Colombian women is the preference for successful men over unsuccessful men. There are very few successful men in Colombia, but there are many beautiful women in Colombia. Those same beautiful Colombian women seek foreign men due to the lack of successful Colombian men in Colombia. Furthermore, most successful Colombian men rarely take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular poor Colombian woman may be.

Ricker, I have explained my conclusions. Please explain why you conclude that Colombian women prefer North American men over South American men. I am interested in your explanation.

Thanks Ricker.

Johan007
03-14-08, 12:51
It's one of the keypoint of my chica management guide. Excellent input.

It took me days of efforts to write down all I had learnt about Colombianas in a useful guide, and I feel sorry to read that it's used just to start an irrelevant transatlantic confrontation. Hey, read it gain, and use it instead to get the ultimate experience: una Colombiana enamorada.I would agree. It's doesn't matter your nationality or colour or religeon. If you treat a woman good. And have MONEY they ALL will like you

Knowing spanish and having "dinero"opens all doors and most pussies

Lets just keep that in mind.

My 2 cents.

Johan

Trendy Andy
03-14-08, 17:27
Gents,

I am glad, that beside the ". How many girls I have fucked in Colombia. " there is space for some serious discussion like this.

What is the most important in every culture when men and women concur? First: age Second: looks

Of course there a girls, who like to be with much older guys like father complex or who knows. Otherwise why they prefer older guys over younger guys is the material status and probably loyalty. Young, good looking and rich. That's what women desire is, Colombia is no exception.

Nonetheless the mayority of colombianas like to stay with gringos, from US or europe, anyway. Why? Because we are DIFFERENT! We are not better, nor more bad, we are just different! Different in looks, behavior and settings. Call us exotic, if you want so. Summary: Don't try to imitate colombians or brazilians or whomever. Be yourself. It's not a panacea but I have still good success with that.

Indeed, when ist comes to marriage, founding a family or similars normally everybody knows contrasts are not benefits. Commonalities attract!

Ricker
03-14-08, 19:31
.... Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress? ....Hahahaha. Well, how can I argue with that?

I guess I should preface my statement with: In my experience with las Colombianas, whether they have been friends or novias, many have expressed their desire to meet a serious North American man.

Not one has expressed her desire to meet a cowboy boot, big buckle, sandle, cargo short, sideway baseball hat wearing guy Of course not.

Basically for la Colombiana, seems the most desireable trait in a man is his fidelity. Of course a man's ability to provide is pretty high up there too, but fidelity is what they dream of.

ALL South American men are famous for their INFIDELTY.

North American men are generally thought of as gentle, kind and faithful to their woman. Just as most Colombianas think that the typical gringa is cold and not loving.

Every Colombiana I've ever met would choose a faithful, serious man over one who can spin them around on the dance floor. In a heart-beat!

You are correct amigo. I'm only referring to serious guys. Guys who speak or who are at least learning spanish, and not the stupid tourist type like you described.

That's my take amigo. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

Take care!

AddictedToWomen
03-14-08, 20:27
There are very few successful men in ColombiaSorry, this is just _so_ wrong. There are loads of successful men in Colombia, and most professionals live a much more comfortable life then comparable North Americans or Europeans.

Case in point? When you're looking for an apt to buy or rent in Colombia, how many come with a room for a live-in maid?

For those who do have the itch to escape, it was explained to me thusly by a young Colombian filly:

The poor have the sueŮo mexicano.
The lower-middle classes have the sueŮo nor-americano.
The upper-middle classes have the sueŮo europeo

I actually think that's a bit simplistic, but I see what she means.

Sailor2006
03-14-08, 21:26
All subjects are realative and nothing is 100%

But I have to agree with client#9, and dissagree with ricker, however there are MANY "gringos" like ricker who do very well with colombian ladies, and I am going to go out on a limb and say this but I think "gringos" who behave and act like latin men do better then those gringos who continue to keep a "american style about them" those who are very good spanish speakers and suavy with the women do very well, in addition to haveing money and being physically fit and look well.

This fantasy that any gringo can come to Colombia and get any girl he wants is just that fantasy. Women here despit saying that colombian men treat them horrible will always long for a man of the country who can dance, speak and belive in that same values and lived the same lifestyle they live, many women here in order to live a better lifestyle will date and even marry a gringo, and the quality of the relationship is based on the conduct of the two invloved.


Hello Ricker,

No, I'm going to the same Colombia you do. I've been traveling to Latin America (including Colombia) for 15 years. I also have lived and worked in multiple American cities with significant Colombian populations. I speak Spanish very well. I have had countless Colombian girlfriends, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. I feel my conclusions are accurate, and I'll explain why because you seem interested.

First, Colombian women prefer men that speak their language. Do most North American men speak Spanish fluently? Do most South American men speak Spanish fluently?

Second, Colombian women prefer men that understand their culture. Do most North American men understand Latino culture in general or Colombian culture in particular? Do most South American men understand Latino culture?

Third, Colombian women prefer men that can dance salse and merengue. Do most North American men dance salsa and merengue? Do most South American men dance salsa and merengue?

Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress?

Do I need to continue? Ricker, do you agree or disagree?

Again, Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. However, this is virtually irrelevant. Why? Because of far greater priority to Colombian women is the preference for successful men over unsuccessful men. There are very few successful men in Colombia, but there are many beautiful women in Colombia. Those same beautiful Colombian women seek foreign men due to the lack of successful Colombian men in Colombia. Furthermore, most successful Colombian men rarely take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular poor Colombian woman may be.

Ricker, I have explained my conclusions. Please explain why you conclude that Colombian women prefer North American men over South American men. I am interested in your explanation.

Thanks Ricker.

Johan007
03-15-08, 00:01
I want to add that women ALSO are very unfaithfull all over SA; in fact allover the world (except maybe for some retard extrem muslim countries)

You guys realy think only MEN are (can be) unfaithfull?

WRONG! I am sick and tired to hear on most internet sites that the women keep whining about the fact that men cheat on them. There are probably as much women that cheat on their guy aswell.

I know enough Brazilians, Colombians and Dominican women that are UNFAITHFULL to their spouses. In fact in most cases they cheat on eachother!

With all respect lets get REAL here

Johan

Madd Love
03-15-08, 19:30
Hello Ricker,

No, I'm going to the same Colombia you do. I've been traveling to Latin America (including Colombia) for 15 years. I also have lived and worked in multiple American cities with significant Colombian populations. I speak Spanish very well. I have had countless Colombian girlfriends, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. I feel my conclusions are accurate, and I'll explain why because you seem interested.

First, Colombian women prefer men that speak their language. Do most North American men speak Spanish fluently? Do most South American men speak Spanish fluently?

Second, Colombian women prefer men that understand their culture. Do most North American men understand Latino culture in general or Colombian culture in particular? Do most South American men understand Latino culture?

Third, Colombian women prefer men that can dance salse and merengue. Do most North American men dance salsa and merengue? Do most South American men dance salsa and merengue?

Fourth, Colombian women do not prefer men that wear cowboy boots, sandals, cargo shorts, tanktops, baseball hats, cowboy hats, etc. How do North American men dress? How do South American men dress?

Do I need to continue? Ricker, do you agree or disagree?

Again, Colombian women prefer Colombian men over foreign men. However, this is virtually irrelevant. Why? Because of far greater priority to Colombian women is the preference for successful men over unsuccessful men. There are very few successful men in Colombia, but there are many beautiful women in Colombia. Those same beautiful Colombian women seek foreign men due to the lack of successful Colombian men in Colombia. Furthermore, most successful Colombian men rarely take poor Colombian women seriously no matter how beautiful a particular poor Colombian woman may be.

Ricker, I have explained my conclusions. Please explain why you conclude that Colombian women prefer North American men over South American men. I am interested in your explanation.

Thanks Ricker.Like a previous comment posted earlier, none of those questions on the list are relevant if you treat a woman good and have money thats all you need. Thats all a woman wants to be treated good in all ways. And everything will follow if you like her and she likes you. She will want to learn your culture and you will want to know hers. Those questions seem anti American/ anti Espanol.

Trendy Andy
03-15-08, 22:16
Under the flag of the above let me only report my own experiences and observings.

Primary: Money is not an asset in SA, money is a condition! When you take out girls, you have to pay for food, drinks, clubbing and similars. Regardless of being gringo or latino.

The mayority of the girls are nosy. I remember my first time in "Mangoīs", Medellin years ago. It happened 3 or 4 times groups waved me over to ask: de donde eres? Beyond that one time 2 girls waved me over to feed me with drinks! Both married, their husbands beside. My question, why one of the girls act aroud with their cell I get the answer: we call over a a friend who is single, porque no tienes novia - estar solo no es bueno. O.k., all that happend before the increase of gringos.

In Medellin and Cartagena I was approached by girls who asked me, if I do allow fotos of me and together with them. Of course affirmed but asked why. The answer was: porque eres lindo.

So, IMO it is not correct to say donīt fool yourself with non-pros or semi pros. It should called better donīt fool yourself while take a look in the mirror! Young, goodlooking and stylish thatīs not the only way to score, but itīs the easiest way.

Finally: Of course everyone is cheating each other. But women are in a more weak position. Have laughed a lot about baseball caps and cargo pants. About that thing I am pretty sure; colombian men are not popular because of their style.

Cachorro
03-16-08, 06:50
Cut and paste from the Quito board.




716865

Someone is ruining Club 122

Just a quick update regarding Club 122. Last Monday, Tung and I were there in the afternoon and the place was, for whatever reason, packed with gringos. I mean, multiple groups of them. Tung joked that fichas would be raised to $10 the next day. But for me, OK, no problem, there's enough eight dollar pussy to go around, right? Fine by me.

So, I take up Karla, a petite, dark skinned girl from the coast. How about some photos? No face and no nude pics, because she knows about the internet. Apparently, some guy made a sex video of her and posted it on the internet. Then she laughs at my $1 propina offer, saying gringos give her much more. Finally had to convince her that I would give her some repeat business if she would give me a couple of tame, faceless photos.

Then, I take up a black girl from GYE, she denies photos. Then, I ask about her coming over to my place after work. Well, a gringo offered her $100 for TLN so she won't budge from that. Thanks a lot, John Q. Smith.

So, is Quito going the way of CR, DR and Rio? I don't know. I don't think so, but something is definitely changing. Just to put it in perspective, I've probably met more ISGers in the last four weeks here in Ecuador than in the last four years I've been a member of this site!

Just some food for thought.It's the age old debate. Does posting information lead to the deterioration of a mongering location? We all have our own opinions.

If you've recently been to a great mongering spot somewhere in Colombia, and you don't see it written about on ISG. Ask yourself "why? " before you go ahead and rave about it here on the forum. Please!

GringoLoco2
03-16-08, 16:44
I disagree. Most Colombian men that go out dress much nicer than American men. The women like you because you are different. People like something they are not use to. Don't you remember in high school there would always be a good looking foreign exchange student that everyone wanted to bang? The grass is always greener.


About that thing I am pretty sure; colombian men are not popular because of their style.

AddictedToWomen
03-16-08, 16:54
Young, goodlooking and stylish thatīs not the only way to score, but itīs the easiest way.Probably. But old, fat, balding, and as ugly as a train wreck still got me more (non-pro) pussy than I could cope with, so those like me don't need to give up just yet!

Ricker
03-16-08, 19:09
I want to add that women ALSO are very unfaithfull all over SA; in fact allover the world (except maybe for some retard extrem muslim countries)

You guys realy think only MEN are (can be) unfaithfull?

WRONG! I am sick and tired to hear on most internet sites that the women keep whining about the fact that men cheat on them. There are probably as much women that cheat on their guy aswell.

I know enough Brazilians, Colombians and Dominican women that are UNFAITHFULL to their spouses. In fact in most cases they cheat on eachother!

With all respect lets get REAL here

JohanWell, unfortunately I have to AGREE with Johan here. Hahaha.

I'm in Sao Paulo, Brazil at the moment. Yesterday I was with 2 Brazillian girls that I had met the previous week. One in the early afternoon, and one in the noche (night)

Both of these chicas had live-in boyfriends, and with each one, when we were resting in bed together, their respective boyfriends called and they said they were shopping or visiting friends.

They said their boyfriends were good men and did not want to leave them but they were not so good at the love making. One boyfriend was a French guy. Imagine that. I guess that negates the myth of the Frenchmen

Is it my fault I'm such a charming, sensitive guy and thoughtful lover? . Hahhaha

I do feel a little guilty, but I guess Johan is right. It's a crazy world. Hard to turn down almost free loving, and no commitment.

Take care amigos.

Ricker
03-16-08, 19:22
Cut and paste from the Quito board.

It's the age old debate. Does posting information lead to the deterioration of a mongering location? We all have our own opinions.

If you've recently been to a great mongering spot somewhere in Colombia, and you don't see it written about on ISG. Ask yourself "why? " before you go ahead and rave about it here on the forum. Please!Well said amigo.

I loved going to Medellin before it became popular!

Do I still enjoy it? Of course! But it was much better and cheaper before.

Imagine Loutron, the exclusive massage casa in Poblado, was expensive in my eyes just a few short years ago at 80k pesos. Hahaha.

San Diego of Medellin was a place where you could find some real gems for cheap. It's a bit different now eh?

I still have one place I go to in Medellin where I believe I am the only gringo to step foot in. Should I post about it here?

Well, I have to keep one place where I can still feel special.

I'm sure it will eventually be discovered.

I am pretty good friends with one of the owners of the Mansion / Castillo in Medellin. He says, Medellin sure isn't what it used to be with all the gringos coming in, but man is it good for business!

Take care

Gary Groundwork
03-17-08, 02:29
Well said amigo.

I loved going to Medellin before it became popular!

Do I still enjoy it? Of course! But it was much better and cheaper before.

Imagine Loutron, the exclusive massage casa in Poblado, was expensive in my eyes just a few short years ago at 80k pesos. Hahaha.

San Diego of Medellin was a place where you could find some real gems for cheap. It's a bit different now eh?

I still have one place I go to in Medellin where I believe I am the only gringo to step foot in. Should I post about it here?

Well, I have to keep one place where I can still feel special.

I'm sure it will eventually be discovered.

I am pretty good friends with one of the owners of the Mansion / Castillo in Medellin. He says, Medellin sure isn't what it used to be with all the gringos coming in, but man is it good for business!

Take careThis is spot on. Medellin is fast becoming too popular with gringos. I tend to stick to Bogota and Cali now where there are still tons of places where you can find gems and good prices.

Bdhabtz
03-17-08, 06:12
Its about midnight and I can't seem to get any sleep. I have spent the last hour reading different reports and I decided to add to the thread.

I see that some of the guys have used the different websites to try to line up girls that are non-pro, more cultured or anything else than the regular P4P. I have some great experiences with that and some bad ones. *one big thing to note you have to either be single or have a great amount of alone time since this is a time investment and its very hard to accomplish in less than 3 months.

A little background on who I am since I have been a member for a while but really not posted very much.

I was born in Latin America but I grew up my whole life in the States, which creates a little dilemma. To everyone who knows me they would refer to me as Hispanic because of my name and birth place but everyone I meet in Latin American countries refers to me as a Gringo because I never really lived in Latin America and grew up in the States. My Spanish is perfect but dated since I learned it at home and school yet I don't know the local idioms people are using.

In the last few years I really started to travel more to Latin America and I have spent time in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. Usually with a gf and then solo or with a buddy to do some mongering.

Ok, back to the website story. I was surfing the Web and I ran across a site www.latinamericancupid.com and decided to check it out. I had never used a and online dating site and decided what the hell lets see how this turns out.

I posted my profile, some good pics, riding motorcycles, pics from other cities, Paris, London and then I worked on my profile. The gist of my message was that I wanted to meet women that I shared similarities and were interested in a friendship and more (pure BS, I just wanted some hot ass but obviously I could not put that)

The site lets you send winks, or emails since initially did not have a good plan I was all over the place and the responses were lame. Specially since I was not getting any from the hottest girls.

I devised a new and created an email template (I spent some time really playing with the words so the women could dig it) that was personal enough but I could quickly adjust for each girls profile. I then created a list of all the women I wanted to meet and sent it out (when you are creating a list in the website you can use filters, I did no kids, age 21-35, college educated, Very attractive to attractive looks and athletic body types). I called it the shotgun approach, blast it to everyone and see what happens.

Initally I sent it out to about 50 women in different cities in Colombia, I got back about 65-70% response rate. I then followed up with a second email asking them to send me a recent photo with the date stamp and I attached recent pics of me so they would get the point. This time I still had a response rate better than 50%. Now I started to prioritize who I wanted to meet. I discarded cities I would not go to, and I focused on Medellin, Bogota, Pereira, Manizales and Armenia.

After the first to emails came the chatting on MSN, at this point you will realize that some are more interested than others and the list begins to get smaller. Also once I started chatting with them the personalities come out and some are just not my type. Finally I had a list of about 10 girls that I was in regular contact with and then I made my travel plans.

I have to tell you that I went to Medellin in May of 2006, with a buddy of mine (born in the US but raised in Venezuela, speaks English with a think accent and all, total opposite of my situation) and started to hook up with these girls. Most of them I went out twice or three times before I got laid and all of them where from el Poblado. With 3 I met the parents and 1 even took me to the private club her family is a member of.

I totally agree with some of the posts regarding the class system in Colombia and I use it to my advantage. I know that there are some hot poor girls but I want a girl with some class, educated, and that has a good network of friends. Mejor rosca en Medellin. Also the higher educated girls tend to not have kids, can afford the gym, have passports and many of them visas.

I will have to write a separate report on the ones that came over to the states to visit me.

The website has worked so well that usually before a trip to Colombia I start up again 3 of 4 months before and go at it.

I will post some pics of the girls I met, but I have to block out the faces since they are regular girls and they deserve a little privacy.

I will be leaving for Medellin in 2 days I have some other girls lined up for this trip. I think they will even be better than the ones from last time.

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Tom 33
03-17-08, 12:13
This is spot on. Medellin is fast becoming too popular with gringos. I tend to stick to Bogota and Cali now where there are still tons of places where you can find gems and good prices.There are still a ton of such places in MedellŪn as well. You never see many Gringos near my estrato 4 house for example.

You can have Cali. There are just too many problems there these days.

And I do not accept the theory that Gringos ruin things anyway. Some of my best friends are Gringos. Wait, hell, I am a Gringo too.

Gary Groundwork
03-18-08, 02:02
And I do not accept the theory that Gringos ruin things anyway. Some of my best friends are Gringos. Wait, hell, I am a Gringo too.Are you telling me you don't think Gringo's have ANY affect on the price of chicks etc and what chicks expect from a gringo?

The amount of stupid cunts I see walking around with these hot birds buying them fkn whatever they want and thinking the girl actually loves/likes them is ridiculous.

Tom 33
03-18-08, 11:56
Are you telling me you don't think Gringo's have ANY affect on the price of chicks etc and what chicks expect from a gringo?

The amount of stupid cunts I see walking around with these hot birds buying them fkn whatever they want and thinking the girl actually loves/likes them is ridiculous.Some people doing stupid stuff is not going to ruin a city of 3.3 million, especially when most of those people are confined to certain areas and venues. If you want to frequent those places only, you are hopeless anyway. And you aren't going to know enough to say that anything is ruined anyway.

Trendy Andy
03-18-08, 16:04
I agree with you above all to the terms of class and education. Good report! But tell me, where did you stay in Medellin?


Its about midnight and I can't seem to get any sleep. I have spent the last hour reading different reports and I decided to add to the thread.

I see that some of the guys have used the different websites to try to line up girls that are non-pro, more cultured or anything else than the regular P4P. I have some great experiences with that and some bad ones. *one big thing to note you have to either be single or have a great amount of alone time since this is a time investment and its very hard to accomplish in less than 3 months.

A little background on who I am since I have been a member for a while but really not posted very much.

I was born in Latin America but I grew up my whole life in the States, which creates a little dilemma. To everyone who knows me they would refer to me as Hispanic because of my name and birth place but everyone I meet in Latin American countries refers to me as a Gringo because I never really lived in Latin America and grew up in the States. My Spanish is perfect but dated since I learned it at home and school yet I don't know the local idioms people are using.

In the last few years I really started to travel more to Latin America and I have spent time in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. Usually with a gf and then solo or with a buddy to do some mongering.

Ok, back to the website story. I was surfing the Web and I ran across a site www.latinamericancupid.com and decided to check it out. I had never used a and online dating site and decided what the hell lets see how this turns out.

I posted my profile, some good pics, riding motorcycles, pics from other cities, Paris, London and then I worked on my profile. The gist of my message was that I wanted to meet women that I shared similarities and were interested in a friendship and more (pure BS, I just wanted some hot ass but obviously I could not put that)

The site lets you send winks, or emails since initially did not have a good plan I was all over the place and the responses were lame. Specially since I was not getting any from the hottest girls.

I devised a new and created an email template (I spent some time really playing with the words so the women could dig it) that was personal enough but I could quickly adjust for each girls profile. I then created a list of all the women I wanted to meet and sent it out (when you are creating a list in the website you can use filters, I did no kids, age 21-35, college educated, Very attractive to attractive looks and athletic body types). I called it the shotgun approach, blast it to everyone and see what happens.

Initally I sent it out to about 50 women in different cities in Colombia, I got back about 65-70% response rate. I then followed up with a second email asking them to send me a recent photo with the date stamp and I attached recent pics of me so they would get the point. This time I still had a response rate better than 50%. Now I started to prioritize who I wanted to meet. I discarded cities I would not go to, and I focused on Medellin, Bogota, Pereira, Manizales and Armenia.

After the first to emails came the chatting on MSN, at this point you will realize that some are more interested than others and the list begins to get smaller. Also once I started chatting with them the personalities come out and some are just not my type. Finally I had a list of about 10 girls that I was in regular contact with and then I made my travel plans.

I have to tell you that I went to Medellin in May of 2006, with a buddy of mine (born in the US but raised in Venezuela, speaks English with a think accent and all, total opposite of my situation) and started to hook up with these girls. Most of them I went out twice or three times before I got laid and all of them where from el Poblado. With 3 I met the parents and 1 even took me to the private club her family is a member of.

I totally agree with some of the posts regarding the class system in Colombia and I use it to my advantage. I know that there are some hot poor girls but I want a girl with some class, educated, and that has a good network of friends. Mejor rosca en Medellin. Also the higher educated girls tend to not have kids, can afford the gym, have passports and many of them visas.

I will have to write a separate report on the ones that came over to the states to visit me.

The website has worked so well that usually before a trip to Colombia I start up again 3 of 4 months before and go at it.

I will post some pics of the girls I met, but I have to block out the faces since they are regular girls and they deserve a little privacy.

I will be leaving for Medellin in 2 days I have some other girls lined up for this trip. I think they will even be better than the ones from last time.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

UrbanWildlife
03-22-08, 16:29
Hello,

I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:

What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?

Thanks again for the info.!

UrbanWildlife
03-22-08, 20:55
This post is in reference to my inquiry below on what is the best companies to use for calling Colombia.

MiamiHeatLuver provided me the names of a couple excellent referrals I would like to share with the board. If anyone uses these companies send MiamiHeatLuver a message, as they pay a small bonus for referrals, and since this is his information, I would like to see him get the benefits from it.

www.3utelecom.com which has one second billing, and www.pingo.com

Thanks MiamiHeatLuver for the info., however, I am also not sure how much of a luver you are for your Miami Heat these days. ;)

Kickboxer151
03-22-08, 23:04
Hello,

I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:

What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?

Thanks again for the info.!Hey Buddy:

I have international calling on my sprint phone for 17 Cents a Minute. I dumped Tel # when they they lied to me about "credits etc".

Hope that helps

Tom 33
03-23-08, 00:55
Hello,

I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:

What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?

Thanks again for the info.!I have used this prepaid phone card: http://www.phonecardquick.com/details.asp?product=530

It lists $0.081 per minute to MedellŪn, BogotŠ is $0.065, and cell is $0.156. This is a clean card that charges in 1-min, increments and has no other fees. No answer=no charge.

I'm sure you can find something cheaper. Just watch out for extra fees. I went with a little higher price to get clear of those extra fees.

Escort King
03-23-08, 09:48
I would use Skype. It is from your computer and if you go pro for $25 a year you get a voicemail box and lowered rates to overseas and free inter US. Cheap home back up and can use from anywhere on your laptop.

Ricker
03-23-08, 11:11
Hello,

I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:

What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?

Thanks again for the info.!I've been using www.orbitelusa.com for a while.

Inexpensive, no roundups, no probs, recharge, auto recharge.

Have fun!

Jericho10
03-23-08, 13:28
I've been using the Phone Out feature on Yahoo Messenger for almost 2 years. I call my novia every week. Some rates: Bogota $0. 039, Cali $0. 039, Medellin $0. 069, Colombia mobile $0. 109.

It requires downloading the free client software, a computer/laptop and broadband internet connection. There are no extra fees, including no monthly fee and no connection charge. You can call another computer for no charge. Or to call a phone, prepay the Phone Out account. You're only charged for the time you use in 1 min increments.

Lotto6
03-24-08, 03:53
I would use Skype. It is from your computer and if you go pro for $25 a year you get a voicemail box and lowered rates to overseas and free inter US. Cheap home back up and can use from anywhere on your laptop.As Escort King approaches his coveted 1000 post soon, I hope memebers will take a good look back at his posts and see what value he has contributed.

Escort King, stop wasting bandwith. If you travel somewhere, please post your experience! Nobody cares about tidbits. We can find them on our own.

We all know that you want to be a senior memeber. But you must travel and report back like a member like Ricker. That person has been probably the best single source of information for people looking for information.

Remember, we are hear to learn and report back on our experiences! If you don't travel, don't report anything!

Ricker
03-24-08, 15:02
As Escort King approaches his coveted 1000 post soon, I hope memebers will take a good look back at his posts and see what value he has contributed.

Escort King, stop wasting bandwith. If you travel somewhere, please post your experience! Nobody cares about tidbits. We can find them on our own.

We all know that you want to be a senior memeber. But you must travel and report back like a member like Ricker. That person has been probably the best single source of information for people looking for information.

Remember, we are hear to learn and report back on our experiences! If you don't travel, don't report anything!Hahahaha, that's funny.

I get a kick out of the Escort King tidbits, like when someone posted a recent foto of chicas at the Medellin Mansion pool, Escort posts: those chicas are pros at the Mansion.

Great info eh? Hahahaha

No big deal. I get the feeling he's a nice cat, just trying to get involved.

But watch out, I've recently invaded Brasil y Argentina. I'm studying Portugues like a MF hahahaha.

I'm using all my skills down further south to shmoooze the chicas / garotas that have been gringo invaded and spoiled much before Colombia was popular.

Remember, Ricker's #1 rule of chica hunting / schmoozing: You really have to able to speak the language. Of course you can hunt without that skill, but then you are just another gringo dummy with a wallet, looking for sex.

Speaking the lingo trully opens doors, and if you've got any pizaz in your personality and can make the chicas laugh and / or feel comfortable, take them out of their professional mode, the prices come tumbling down.

Heading to Colombia for about a week in a couple days. Mis Colombianas are getting restless that I'm spending too much time further south.

Cali for sure and maybe a side trip first to Barranquilla or perhaps to visit mi amigo, senor Castillo, in Medellin. Decisions decisions

Take care amigos!

UrbanWildlife
03-25-08, 14:41
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/104671/5-Simple-Choices-for-Cheap-Long-Distance

By the way, I took MiamiHeatLuvers advice and bought minutes from Pingo, and the clarity, the connection, is fantastic!. To go along with this excellent service is the price you get. It is definitely worth using, and please, if anyone uses this service contact MiamiHeatLuver through p.m to get his email address for the referral, since it is he who provided me the info. to get this great service. You will be very happy you chose Pingo! ****** 6 stars for this one!

Trendy Andy
03-25-08, 15:47
If it helps: When the girl use a comcel card f . e. you can write SMS on their website www.comcel.com.co for free.


Hello,

I have been using aTel 3 advantage calling card to call Colombia. This card is the type that is rechargeable, and I am suppose to be paying only 12 cents a minute from the United States to call cellular phones with billing at one minute increments. However, this is not the case, as I am being billed according to my call history that is viewable on the internet for 2 minute increments, and for calls that do not go through, such as dead time, or if the call goes through but is not answered. I have contacted Tel 3 Advantage many times in the past about this situation, only to be told that I will be reimbursed, and my complaint will be expedited to the technicians, only to never have anything done. In any even event this gets quite expensive, which brings me to my question:

What is the preferred calling method, and with whom, for you members who regularly call Colombia?

Thanks again for the info.!

Lakehue
03-28-08, 17:19
For you guys having phone issues, I suggest you look into magicJack. Its a USB thumb drive with a phone attachment that allows you to make free calls within the US and the International rates are cheap. For example a call to Colombia (landline) is 5 cents a minute. Like vonage you can tote it around wherever you are in the world.

Shamester
03-30-08, 23:05
Anyone know of a sports bar in Bogota that show American football?

Please advise.

DoloresThomas
04-01-08, 16:45
Anyone know of a sports bar in Bogota that show American football?

Please advise.Lots of gringos watch fotball in sports bars and pubs. Bogota Beer Companies, Irish Pubs (amounting to more than 10 in different areas of the city) and such always have their tvs on, mostly with sports. You just have to tell the bartender to switch to the correct channel, and you'll get to watch the game of your choice (of course, if there are no colombians watching soccer, which they just won't change).

AddictedToWomen
04-01-08, 19:09
If it helps: When the girl use a comcel card f . e. you can write SMS on their website www.comcel.com.co for free.Free-ish. The receiver pays, so many people switch it off.

DirkDingy
04-02-08, 18:28
Would you rather spend two weeks in Bog or CTG or BA?

I have my R&R comming up in 20 days want to know which place is better for:

1) Beauty of women
2) Pliability of women--BBBJ, GFE, turning a pro into a multi-day date
3) Non-mongering activities
4) Prices of girls--BA seems like $200-$250 for an 8-10 for a few hours from Blacks or Mahdallos while BOG or CTG seems like about 1/2 -2/3 of that price
5) Prices of nice accomodation--will be on my own dime as opposed to an expense account.
6) Safety of city and disco scene.
7) Airfare from Dubai/NYC. I see a BOG RT for about $1500 on AA while a trip to EZE is about $1900.

I've been to BOG and CTG about 6 years ago and liked it very much.


Thanks,

DirkDingy

Tiny 12
04-03-08, 01:30
I have two weeks total time spent in B. A. , so am no expert but will give it a stab. I'd pick CTG or B. A..- a toss up for me.

1. For beauty I'd give B. A. The edge, although La Dolce Vita in Cartagena and the top clubs in Bogota (e. G. Casanova) will give any venue in B. A. A run for the money.

2. For me Cartagena was best for GFE and turning a pro into a multi-day date. However as far as pliable goes, B. A. Was best. Of my three outstanding "porn star" experiences in B. A. , though, one was a nonpro and one was Brazilian.

3. Cartagena and B. A. Are both excellent and would be well worth visiting even if there were no *****s. Bogota for me has been so so, but I've never had a chance to get out and see the city.

4. I don't think any of the cities has a price advantage for the chicas. Yeah, you're right, you can pay $200-$250 in Black. The one time I went there I translated for a fellow gringo who paid that for an hour with an absolute dog. I've never pulled a woman from Black or Madaho's, but have been with woman in B. A. As fine as you'll there or anywhere in CTG or BOG for US$100 and under. The private apartments in B. A. Are convenient and affordable.- better in my opinion than comparable options in BOG and CTG.

5. I'll defer to others. I'm on expense account in BOG, and have used primarily apartments in CTG and hotels in B. A. , so hard to compare. CTG and B. A. Appear to be fairly comparable in cost to me though.

6. I felt reasonably save in the neighborhoods I frequented in Cartagena and B. A. Bogota makes me nervous, and I take precautions, especially with taxis. Discos.- no idea.

7. No idea.

Ricker
04-07-08, 15:38
Would you rather spend two weeks in Bog or CTG or BA?

I have my R&R comming up in 20 days want to know which place is better for:

1) Beauty of women
2) Pliability of women--BBBJ, GFE, turning a pro into a multi-day date
3) Non-mongering activities
4) Prices of girls--BA seems like $200-$250 for an 8-10 for a few hours from Blacks or Mahdallos while BOG or CTG seems like about 1/2 -2/3 of that price
5) Prices of nice accomodation--will be on my own dime as opposed to an expense account.
6) Safety of city and disco scene.
7) Airfare from Dubai/NYC. I see a BOG RT for about $1500 on AA while a trip to EZE is about $1900.

I've been to BOG and CTG about 6 years ago and liked it very much.

Thanks,

DirkDingyWell I know Colombia very well, and now have spent some time in BA and though I'm not expert, I know the basic scene there as well.

1. Both Colombia and BA have beautiful women. Hard to answer which are more beautiful. Depends a lot on your own taste.

I'd say BA had some absolute stunners, but in general, for my taste, the average Colombiana is prettier.

I made love to maybe the most beautiful girl ever in BA, and I met her in a small privado. But I had to do lots of searching to find her.

I DO NOT go to and pay the ridiculous prices at the high end clubs in either country, I hunt for the diamonds.

2. I would easily say the Colombiana is the best GFE. No contest.

Funny thing is, the 2 most loving chicas I met in BA, were raised in Colombia.

One was a Peruana, the other from Paraguay, but both raised in Caolombia.

3. Well, if you like the beach, Cartagena has a small, not so great beach, but has nice islands very nearby, easy to reach.

BA is a by far the nicest city. Great restaurants, music, etc.

4. Both countries have their high price venues and less expensive venues. I visited just to see, Madahos, Blacks, etc in BA. I'll never go back. For me ridiculous to pay those prices. For hard-core pros. Funny. But guys do go there and pay, I've seen it.

Of course Colombia has high price venues also. LDV in Cartagena can be expensive, but there are low end options as well.

I always say this. The absolute key to lower prices is your ability with chicas. Speaking spanish. Your personality.

I've seen it in BA, all cities in Colombia, and many other latin cities. What some dude pays a chica, I can get for much less. Because I make them laugh and feel good.

I'm no Don Juan, average looking, but I understand the key is in schmoozing the chica.

One of the best accomplishments of my life is learning and always perfecting my Spanish skills.

5-7. I'll defer these questions to other guys, I'm no expert in these areas.

My favorite country in the world by the way is Colombia. I'd choose it over Brazil, Argentina, etc.

I love chicas, I love the loving, sweet chicas, and Colombia seems to breed them.

Good luck!

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Carnevalisticus
04-12-08, 13:21
whomever

gents,

i am glad, that beside the ". how many girls i have fucked in colombia. " there is space for some serious discussion like this.

what is the most important in every culture when men and women concur? first: age second: looks

of course there a girls, who like to be with much older guys like father complex or who knows. otherwise why they prefer older guys over younger guys is the material status and probably loyalty. young, good looking and rich. that's what women desire is, colombia is no exception.

nonetheless the mayority of colombianas like to stay with gringos, from us or europe, anyway. why? because we are different! we are not better, nor more bad, we are just different! different in looks, behavior and settings. call us exotic, if you want so. summary: don't try to imitate colombians or brazilians or whomever. be yourself. it's not a panacea but i have still good success with that.

indeed, when ist comes to marriage, founding a family or similars normally everybody knows contrasts are not benefits.commonalities attract!

i would like to disagree, you pointed out the exact oposit of an european/american guy (if he is not a hardcore mormone, lol) versus a latin guy. it is exactly that. being a bit more modest, respectfull, "educated". than these crazy testosteron adicted " average latin " guys. i mean, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is still a minor delict, i have been in guatemala and heard that these giels veryoften got killed. to avoid any claims at the police afterwards. and believe it or not, the police cares a sh. t about these things. i have been in mexico. the same. i mean i am german, but that is so far away from "european" views that, there is a diffrence between latin/sa guys (and women) in order to europeans. i would recomand each german woman a week with such an latin lover. and each german man a week with a sweet latin chica. i supose the population problem in germany would be solved either, all german guys would leave the country or sa would have to stand a loss of some millions of their preciouse ladies. lol

to come to an end, i talked with several girls in sa and all (from guatemala, mexico, and costa rica) said the same. latin guys are quickly violent, lazy at home, with the years tending to drink to much, and do not care about the household at all. and i found that to be true, but thats my opinion about that.

viva los chicas,

yours,

c.

Davidb3069
04-13-08, 01:57
Whomever

Gents,

I am glad, that beside the ". How many girls I have fucked in Colombia. " 0there is space for some serious discussion like this.Choosing age over looks would depend on the motivation of the relationship - in my opinion. If the girl is looking for marriage and a family, an older man would likely be more attractive. Older men will generally be more mature, financially stable, and probably more family oriented (ie: they aren't partying every night like the younger guys). If the chick is looking for money and a good time, I would guess she would take the young guy any day. Motivation is the factor.

Colombian chicks that are working girls are a crap shoot when it comes to a relationship. A lot of them are afraid to even be seen with a gringo for fear that they'll be labeled a working girl (if they aren't already). Chances are as soon as you hit the airport, they have moved onto the next guy. It's not uncommon for them to host several guys at the same time. "Western Union" is certainly earning some money from the girls.

It's true that there is probably a big attraction to someone from a different culture. That's what attracts me. I'm not sure that alone is enough to sustain a relationship though. You still need to find some common ground you can work with: goals and desires.

The thing you didn't mention is that some of the girls will never leave the life of the working girl. They just simply like it. It's the better money, the attention from the guys, etc. Given a choice between working as a ho or taking the stable relationship/married life, they will keep working. I've already run into that. That's assuming they don't have a boyfriend or husband already.

David

Bango Cheito
04-13-08, 03:32
The other side of the coin is, Colombian men are sensual and emotionally responsive to Colombian women in a way very few foreigners are, especially ones from non-Romance language speaking cultures, and ESPECIALLY ones who don't speak the language and bother to learn the local customs backwards and forwards. And they tend to have more priorities in common with Colombian women. In the short term, exotic wins hands down every time. In the long term, the waters are a tad muddy.

Tom Cruze
04-13-08, 20:38
bdhabtz,

great report, one of the best i've seen on this site. though i'm sure you know from reading all these posts that the phrase "different folks for different folks definitely applies" here. you and i, however, seem to be tracking on several levels though, so i'll pass along some thoughts and others of like minds.

1. if you haven't done so already, start reading pua (pick up artist) info from guys like mystery and david deangelo. pick up a copy of the game by neil strauss. this will get you into a mind set of attraction theory and an a +b=c formula of picking up women and banging them. you are already have a systemic approach so that should naturally amp your game. just begin understanding the pua mind set and adapt because not all of those skills and technics are applicable to latin american chicas.

2. on these sites like latinamericancupid.com or colombiancupid.com, volume is key. you did right by working up a profile with pics that peek their attraction interest, but don't waste so much time emailing them canned text. just work something up snappy or ping them to see if they respond, which shows that they interested. i ping 15-20 good looking chica each day and get about a 20% response, that's low but over a 2 week period you have about 10 descent chicas from which you can start narrowing down the ones with real potential. in a month, that can be a list of 20-30 chicas.

also, fyi, those sites are full of gringos and old farts and your should know that it will be tough for you (as a latino/colombian looking male) to get the attention of hottest chicas because they are fishing for attractive white gringos under 30 with marriage potential. i think latino match.com may work better but i haven't used it as often. anyway, all those hot chicks are fielding their international options. i connected with a hot 18 yo from that site a few weeks ago and she said that on her first day of membership, she had about 50 emails and pings.

3. next step, get to phone conversation sooner. find a way to make cheap international calls and go from email/chat to cell phone asap. there is no better way to begin filtering chicks than through real voice conversation, but don't talk too much. just enough time to develop some attraction interest, distinguish yourself from the other guys online (who are distance and depend on email and chatting), and to bump them over till your next call as you bridge to the day you can meeting.

at this point, you have become the real deal, not some online penpal / romance potential. the reason why these chicas msn chat so fricken much is because that can afford the calls and minutes, so give them a 5-10 minute buzz if they are good looking enough. also, once you get them on the phone, that the best time to ask for recent pics.

4. okay, here are my thoughts on educated latinas without children. if they have attended university and have a descent career, they are often considered over the hill ( 25 y. o.), not attractive enough to land a latino bf with marriage potential, or they have adopted an independent/cultured attitude like the american women.

after examining my experience and approach with this issue for a few years now, i've come to the conclusion that i am most happiest with with young (<25) hot latinas who will screw my brains out, care for me with her traditional femininity, and in general, treat me like a king.-forget about class and education status that all social programming preferences. fyi, i am a professional latino male in his 40s, never married, no kids.


its about midnight and i can't seem to get any sleep. i have spent the last hour reading different reports and i decided to add to the thread.

i see that some of the guys have used the different websites to try to line up girls that are non-pro, more cultured or anything else than the regular p4p. i have some great experiences with that and some bad ones. *one big thing to note you have to either be single or have a great amount of alone time since this is a time investment and its very hard to accomplish in less than 3 months.

a little background on who i am since i have been a member for a while but really not posted very much.

i was born in latin america but i grew up my whole life in the states, which creates a little dilemma. to everyone who knows me they would refer to me as hispanic because of my name and birth place but everyone i meet in latin american countries refers to me as a gringo because i never really lived in latin america and grew up in the states. my spanish is perfect but dated since i learned it at home and school yet i don't know the local idioms people are using.

in the last few years i really started to travel more to latin america and i have spent time in costa rica, dominican republic, mexico, peru, and colombia. usually with a gf and then solo or with a buddy to do some mongering.

ok, back to the website story. i was surfing the web and i ran across a site www.latinamericancupid.com and decided to check it out. i had never used a and online dating site and decided what the hell lets see how this turns out.

i posted my profile, some good pics, riding motorcycles, pics from other cities, paris, london and then i worked on my profile. the gist of my message was that i wanted to meet women that i shared similarities and were interested in a friendship and more (pure bs, i just wanted some hot ass but obviously i could not put that)

the site lets you send winks, or emails since initially did not have a good plan i was all over the place and the responses were lame. specially since i was not getting any from the hottest girls.

i devised a new and created an email template (i spent some time really playing with the words so the women could dig it) that was personal enough but i could quickly adjust for each girls profile. i then created a list of all the women i wanted to meet and sent it out (when you are creating a list in the website you can use filters, i did no kids, age 21-35, college educated, very attractive to attractive looks and athletic body types). i called it the shotgun approach, blast it to everyone and see what happens.

initally i sent it out to about 50 women in different cities in colombia, i got back about 65-70% response rate. i then followed up with a second email asking them to send me a recent photo with the date stamp and i attached recent pics of me so they would get the point. this time i still had a response rate better than 50%. now i started to prioritize who i wanted to meet. i discarded cities i would not go to, and i focused on medellin, bogota, pereira, manizales and armenia.

after the first to emails came the chatting on msn, at this point you will realize that some are more interested than others and the list begins to get smaller. also once i started chatting with them the personalities come out and some are just not my type. finally i had a list of about 10 girls that i was in regular contact with and then i made my travel plans.

i have to tell you that i went to medellin in may of 2006, with a buddy of mine (born in the us but raised in venezuela, speaks english with a think accent and all, total opposite of my situation) and started to hook up with these girls. most of them i went out twice or three times before i got laid and all of them where from el poblado. with 3 i met the parents and 1 even took me to the private club her family is a member of.

i totally agree with some of the posts regarding the class system in colombia and i use it to my advantage. i know that there are some hot poor girls but i want a girl with some class, educated, and that has a good network of friends. mejor rosca en medellin. also the higher educated girls tend to not have kids, can afford the gym, have passports and many of them visas.

i will have to write a separate report on the ones that came over to the states to visit me.

the website has worked so well that usually before a trip to colombia i start up again 3 of 4 months before and go at it.

i will post some pics of the girls i met, but i have to block out the faces since they are regular girls and they deserve a little privacy.

i will be leaving for medellin in 2 days i have some other girls lined up for this trip. i think they will even be better than the ones from last time.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Davidb3069
04-14-08, 17:04
Great report, one of the best I've seen on this site. Though I'm sure you know from reading all these posts that the phrase "different folks for different folks definitely applies" here. You and I, however, seem to be tracking on several levels though, so I'll pass along some thoughts and others of like minds.Maybe I'm missing the point, but why spend so much effort on dating web sites if you're traveling to the countries? If someone is experienced, they can pick up new girls (live and in person) in a matter of minutes in many cities. My idea of those sites is that they're for people that never intend to meet the girls, or at least not for a long time. I wouldn't want to share my girl with 1000 other guys exchanging emails with her too. After all, this is an international travel forum, right?

David

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UrbanWildlife
04-22-08, 04:46
I will be in Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta arriving in Cartagena at 11pm on April 22nd. If anyone is in any of these cities and wants to have a drink please get in touch. Last trip I met some real cool guys, such as Jluv, Jacque, Numerowon, and a couple of others. As my report stated, it was a great and unforgettable trip for many reasons. I got some great ideas and advice for this trip through email from Winner. It is to bad he got banned, because he provided many on the ISG with excellent information in his reports, through p.m's and through email.

UrbanWildlife
04-27-08, 15:37
Guys,

This goes along with some of the conversation on the Medellin thread at the moment. Yesterday, a group of 4 american guys rented the apartment above me, and last night they had the Techno Music blaring full blast from one in the morning until I left the building a few minutes ago. (9am) They were partying like it was there last party, yelling and screaming, and carrying on in the same manner children would, with no regard to there neighbors e.c.t.

I hope the house partyers on the board here who turn there apartments into frat houses, will take a minute to reflect on the fact, for one, you are not in your house, you do have neighbors, you are a visitor in a foreign country, and treat others with the respect and consideration you would want. If you want a frat house atmosphere stay near a college campus that is conducive to this type of environment.

Tom Cruze
05-20-08, 01:16
Any ever use adult friends finder or similar sites for direct contact for independent pros?

Jon32
05-26-08, 01:11
Anyone know a girl that would be willing to marry a gringo for USA citizenship and pay for the process?

I need colombian citizenship asap(long story). And i figure USA citizenship is worth enough to have the girl pay for the process. (not looking to make $, only cover costs)

Thanks

Carlos Miami
06-01-08, 04:41
Recently published at "El Tiempo" Newspaper, there was an ote on Swing Clubs in Bogota and its Rapid BooM. Some places are in very highly tourist areas like Bliss Swing Club. I is in the middle of all the clubs in Zona Rosa. I've been wondering if anyone has been there with a Non Pro, Pro or colombian Fuckfriend.

I Am very curious and interested.

Thanks!

Bango Cheito
06-02-08, 05:27
In order to get Colombian citizenship, it would take a MINIMUM of 7 years, that's if they'd let you go all the way and get citizenship. They don't give it out for nothing. And in order to get US citizenship it would also take a minimum of 7-9 years from point of entry. You also would have ZERO chance of doing them both simultaneously, it would have to be one first then the other.

Tom 33
06-02-08, 14:48
In order to get Colombian citizenship, it would take a MINIMUM of 7 years, that's if they'd let you go all the way and get citizenship. They don't give it out for nothing. And in order to get US citizenship it would also take a minimum of 7-9 years from point of entry. You also would have ZERO chance of doing them both simultaneously, it would have to be one first then the other.Who would even want Colombian citizenship? Permanent residence is enough. You can get permanent residence many ways. The Investor VISA gives permanent residence immediately. I live with my novia. Because of that I got a Family VISA. After 3 years of holding the Family VISA, I can get a permanent VISA.

Artisttyp
06-03-08, 11:41
I searched the site and found some situational spanish that Routard provided that would be quite helpful. Are there any more situational spanish phrases that someone may have posted that might be helpful? I am trying to learn more of the necessary phrases that fellow mongers may need instead of allot of the spanish lessons that cater more to tourists

We need a Spanish for mongers guide.Since I began learning spanish I've been reading adult oriented mexican comics. You can find them in any mexican neighborhood or down in the subways in nyc. Most of them have to do with sex drugs and violence. Some even take place in bars that a monger might visit. The language used is very colorful. They refer to sexual acts and body parts using local slang.

What I do is underline the good stuff and put them on flash cards to learn.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-03-08, 18:34
Since I began learning spanish I've been reading adult oriented mexican comics. You can find them in any mexican neighborhood or down in the subways in nyc. Most of them have to do with sex drugs and violence. Some even take place in bars that a monger might visit. The language used is very colorful. They refer to sexual acts and body parts using local slang.

What I do is underline the good stuff and put them on flash cards to learn.Being Half LATINO, I find that Mexican spanish is like completely different than, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Argentinian and especially Colombian Spanish. There are different accents and even some non existent words. Such as Gaseosa(soda) is non existent in the caribbean. My best bet would try a happy medium such as Rosetta Stone.

John Gault
06-06-08, 04:23
Since I now have a Novia in BAQ I need the best method to call her as cheap as possible since as you guys know it is hard to get off the phone with them.

Por Favor, Vic

Aussie Mate
06-06-08, 21:33
Since I now have a Novia in BAQ I need the best method to call her as cheap as possible since as you guys know it is hard to get off the phone with them.

Por Favor, VicHey Vick,

Try Pingo.com I've had great success with them so far.

AM

Andyss
06-06-08, 22:39
If she's net savvy, then get her a skype account. Can chat, drop pics and that stuff. If you want phone stuff, then use a VOIP phone, like Vonage.

Skype also has a call out service.


Since I now have a Novia in BAQ I need the best method to call her as cheap as possible since as you guys know it is hard to get off the phone with them.

Por Favor, Vic

Artisttyp
06-08-08, 17:47
I just got off the phone with my bank.

I know not everyone has chase but I wanted to give people and idea of what to expect when taking out money.

I will use $100 as an example.

Per every $100 you will be charged a $3 transaction fee + 3% of the amount (in this case $3)

Bottom line = $6 per every hundred dollars you take out.

I know this is really basic stuff but seeing actual dollar amounts is different than reading about a percentage.

AddictedToWomen
06-09-08, 10:21
I just got off the phone with my bank.

I know not everyone has chase but I wanted to give people and idea of what to expect when taking out money.

I will use $100 as an example.

Per every $100 you will be charged a $3 transaction fee + 3% of the amount (in this case $3)

Bottom line = $6 per every hundred dollars you take out.

I know this is really basic stuff but seeing actual dollar amounts is different than reading about a percentage.Check Citibank's fees for withdrawals from a Citibank a/c at a Colombian ATM.

Zing23
06-10-08, 01:43
Help!

Are Colombian women really this sexy and romantic?

I have known a couple of hundred Colombian working girls in St Maarten. I have liked about half of them as people. So I decided to visit Colombia.

Based on encouragement from my friend Routard, I set as a goal to see if I could romance and seduce some ordinary Colombianas, not just working girls. Even though I am old and way past my prime.

Last year when I was cut off from my St Maarten Colombianas by an 3 month trip, I created a profile on www.cybercupido.com. And trolled for latinas. I decided to go with all I had learned from the prepagos. Intense romanticism and sentimentality. I told very little about myself, mostly true, except that I was still married (at the moment). Then instead of saying that I was a successful businesssman looking for a hot soul mate to spoil, I listed my faavorit movie in spanish (como aqua para chocalate) and my favorite 20 romantic ballads (somos novios by bocelli and aguilera, plus a lot other very sex songs). I had my picture set as "privado", which means that only girls I send a messsage can see the picture, not the general public (my wife or her friends! ? )

I had a lot of great correspondence with many fantastic latinas. I received about 1 or 2 unsolicited inquiries a day from around the world (70% from Colombia).

I was a Gold member (costs $20 or more) because a free member can only send 2 messages a day and has no history of messages. Gold members get a lot of good management features, plus they appear at the start of the list of the men who are on-line. This means that they get a lot more messages.

At the end of my exile from St Maarten I gave up on my cybercupido girls and stopped looking at my profile on cybercupido. If you don't log on, you are not listed in the Hombres On Line, which means that very few women notice you. My Gold member status lapsed.

By rearranging my life I was able to schedule a solo 3-week trip to Colombia for thia July. In preparation I updated my cybercupido profile to say that I was visiting Bogota and Medellin in Colombia. And I made my photo public instead of private. I hardly ever sent an unsolociited message to any girls. When I reviewed the women who were online, if I saw one that I liked, I would save her in My Favorites and hit her profile once per day for a few days. She gets a notice when anyone visits her profile. A few of those wrote to me, plus many others that I hadn't noticed. I replied to every one, even those without a picture.

Everything is under control. I have emailed a few SXM girls to set up some sure-thing reunions in Colombia.

Then last weekend I needed to send a message to a hot girl in Bogota, but I had used up my 2 messages for day. So I upgraded my account to Gold again.

Oh my god!

I am now at the head of the on-line list every time I go in to check my messages. During the time it takes me to respond politely to a girl with no foto from honduras (where I am unlikely to visit in the next 5 years), I get 5 new messages from women in Colombia!

Here is a typical message from a colombiana with no foto:

"o. K o. K o. K me parece muy bien me encanta toda clase de musica y esos temas que tu pones ahi de los artista uh no sabes me llevan al alma ahhhh se me habia olvidado saludarte hola como estas me disculpa vale? Si gustas me puedes mandar tu messenger asi podiamos platicar mejor que dices? Chao"

Here is the translation by translate. Google.com (I can figure it out mostly myself at this point, but I like to confirm my translation):

"o. K ok ok I feel very well I love all kinds of music and those items that you put there by the artist not know uh lead me to soul ahhhh I had forgotten I welcome Hello, apology goes like this? Gustas if I can mandar your messenger so podiamos talk better than you say? Chao"

So this woman from Palmira, a city north of Cali that I did not say I was going to visit, and which I probably will never visit, has gone completely crazy for me. I am NOT THAT SPECIAL. I have learned a bit about latin culture and I like it, but there must be younger guys in Colombia who know better than I do what Colombian women want. There are other women sending messages that are even more understandable and enthusiastic and have fotos.

My plan was to stick to Bogota and Medellin for my first trip, and ignore all other women, but now the hottest women from barranquilla are sending messages to me of love and invitation and possibilities.

Please send advise on arranging apppintments with these women and dealing with them. My cybercupido interactions last year led me to beilieve that most of these women (other than a few obvious prepagos that I have actually see on other sites soliciting sex) are looking for permanent soul mates and husbands. If I am successful in my seduction of Colombianas, I am looking for a loving novia in each city and NO MORE WIFES EVER!

Thanks

Zing

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Ricker
06-10-08, 16:00
... Based on encouragement from my friend Routard, I set as a goal to see if I could romance and seduce some ordinary Colombianas, not just working girls. Even though I am old and way past my prime ...

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Amigo,

Don't even think you are past your prime.

Quit thinking in that world. Of the US and Europe.

In South America age is just that, a number. It may sound corny but your real age is how you feel in your heart.

Go to Colombia. Laugh, drink, dance and treat girls kindly and you will have the greatest time.

Good luck

Ricker
06-10-08, 16:04
"o. K o. K o. K me parece muy bien me encanta toda clase de musica y esos temas que tu pones ahi de los artista uh no sabes me llevan al alma ahhhh se me habia olvidado saludarte hola como estas me disculpa vale? Si gustas me puedes mandar tu messenger asi podiamos platicar mejor que dices? Chao"

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Actaually that spanish appears more of a Central American type than of Colombia.

I used to live in Guatemala and they used varias words in that quote you posted that aren't generally used in Colombia.

Ricker
06-10-08, 16:18
... So this woman from Palmira, a city north of Cali that I did not say I was going to visit, and which I probably will never visit, has gone completely crazy for me. I am NOT THAT SPECIAL. I have learned a bit about latin culture and I like it, but there must be younger guys in Colombia who know better than I do what Colombian women want. There are other women sending messages that are even more understandable and enthusiastic and have fotos.

My plan was to stick to Bogota and Medellin for my first trip, and ignore all other women, but now the hottest women from barranquilla are sending messages to me of love and invitation and possibilities.

Please send advise on arranging apppintments with these women and dealing with them. My cybercupido interactions last year led me to beilieve that most of these women (other than a few obvious prepagos that I have actually see on other sites soliciting sex) are looking for permanent soul mates and husbands. If I am successful in my seduction of Colombianas, I am looking for a loving novia in each city and NO MORE WIFES EVER!

Thanks

Zing

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Palmira is right near the airport in Cali, so actually not so far away.

My take on Cybercupido and like sites for meeting chicas.

Lots of fun and a great way to learn and practice spanish. Which by the way is the single most important thing you could do to GREATLY increase your fun and romance in Colombia.

More important than looks, age, dance ability. Being able to COMMUNICATE. I've had chicas choose me over other, younger, better looking dudes because I speak spanish well and can make a chica laugh, and I can whisper sweet things to her. Las Colombianas are muy romanticas.

They love to laugh and be loved.

Meeting chicas on the internet is a crap shoot. You just cannot tell the chemestry between 2 people writing messages.

I've met a couple nice chicas and lots that I just didn't feel it for them after meeting in person.

Once you get to Colombia, there are literally millions of other sweet Colombianitas that have never heard of Cybercupido.

It's a start though. At least you'll have somebody waiting for you and you can also meet their friends and go from there.

Pick a city or 2 and go there. Don't waste all your time on internet chicas.

Most likely the favorite chica you meet on your trip will not be one you met on the internet.

I've found the best chicas in all the countries I've lived and visited have been the ones NOT actively seeking a gringo.

Good luck and have FUN!

Client 9
06-11-08, 23:00
I've found the best chicas in all the countries I've lived and visited have been the ones NOT actively seeking a gringo.I agree with everything Ricker said, especially the highlighted quote.

Every Gringo in Colombia has his own individual priorities and preferences, and that's fine. At one extreme, there are Gringos that only want to meet prostitutes in Colombia. At the other extreme are the masochists that go to Colombia with the sole objective of getting engaged in a week or less by using so-called "marriage agencies. "

Despite these different perspectives, every Gringo needs to keep both eyes wide open regarding Colombian women. For whatever reason, many (probably most) Colombians think that Gringos are complete idiots. It's certainly an interesting assumption given that the United States is the wealthiest and most powerful nation in world history. However, many (probably most) Gringos do behave like complete idiots when in Colombia. There aren't that many Gringos in Colombia, but Colombians do love to gossip about Gringos.

You have to understand Colombian culture. Most Colombians live their whole lives in one city, often in just one neighborhood. Generally they don't go away to college so there is no "Greek System" at the universities. Generally they do not move to another city to find employment either. Colombia is not a mobile society. Think about how many times a typical American moves from one city to another in his lifetime. That's why we have the "Greek System" at universities and matchmaking services for later in life. These things are not necessary in Colombia. Colombians rarely move. Therefore, their social networks are rarely disrupted.

In Colombian culture, women do not seek men. Rather, Colombian men seek women. Colombian men are not timid and emasculated like American men. Colombian women do not want to be viewed as "rebusconas" in their social network because it is not culturally acceptable.

I have met a ton of Colombian women on the internet dating sites. They are often a lot of fun. They are a good opportunity to practice your Spanish, to begin to understand Colombian culture and to get laid.

However, such Colombian women are generally prepagos and they are often very good at hiding that fact. Actually, it's easy to hide such things from a Gringo in Colombia for a week. Think about it.

Don't believe everything Colombian women tell you. Colombians (both men and women) are experts at telling people what they want to hear. Just because a woman doesn't charge you that doesn't mean that she's not a prepago. Just because a woman has a respectable job that doesn't mean that she's not a prepago. Just because a woman is college-educated that doesn't mean that she's not a prepago.

Nice girls are nice girls. Prepagos are prepagos. If you have no interest in a serious relationship, then the internet dating sites are an efficient and economical method for meeting a certain type of Colombian woman. Just keep both eyes wide open. Don't be naive.

If you want a serious relationship, then forget the internet dating sites. Forget the marriage agencies. Forget the dance clubs known to be popular with Gringos. Forget the poolside chicas at luxury hotels on weekends.

Gringos in search of a serious relationship with a Colombian woman should be looking for Colombian women that are not actively seeking Gringos. Be the fisherman, not the fish.

It's easy to meet and date Colombian women. If you can't meet and date women in Colombia, then you can't meet and date women anywhere. All you you need is minimal self-confidence. Just say "hola" and smile.

Ricker
06-12-08, 03:59
I agree with everything Ricker said, especially the highlighted quote ...

... It's easy to meet and date Colombian women. If you can't meet and date women in Colombia, then you can't meet and date women anywhere. All you you need is minimal self-confidence. Just say "hola" and smile.Nice post Client ... especially the first line :)

Just kidding.

Very well written post though.

AddictedToWomen
06-12-08, 11:54
However, such Colombian women are generally prepagos and they are often very good at hiding that fact.I have a lot of friends who hang out on chat and dating sites. Unfortunately they're no more prepagos then US girls who hang out on similar sites are.

Bango Cheito
06-13-08, 06:20
Sorry Client, I'm calling BS on you.

80% of inhabitants of Bogota were born somewhere else. Most big cities in Colombia have sizeable amounts of people who are from elsewhere in the country. Not to mention about 10% of Colombian citizens reside out of the country (which is actually a pretty normal ratio for a country of its size).

Spanish Main
06-17-08, 04:39
I am thinking of wintering in Colombia, say October to March. L. I live in Spain, but even here, the winters are too cold for me.

I would like to stay in a small beach town, safe and friendly, where I can hire a girl or two to look after me. In very way!

Any suggestions from you local experts? Is safety a problem though, for a blonde Englishman?

I am not into great nightlife; just a quiet life with good food, good wine, sunshine and lots of sex.

What should I pay for a modest house in a safe area and two girls each month.

Possible or a silly fantasy?

Perhaps a suggestion for a Spanish-speaking alternative?

I don't like Asia any more!

My perfect scenario would be to live on the edge of town somewhere; to have a scooter to get around; to have two girls living me me for always-available fun. A fairly simple existance besed on food, wine, sun and sex!

I don't want a different girl every day, I was more thinking of paying them to live with me. A bit like a downmarket version of Hugh Hefner!

I am not a bar person, almost reclusive, in a way. To be hidden away in my private hedonistic pleasure palace.

Maybe rent a small cortijo with someone else and a few girls to have fun with.

Interested anyone?

AddictedToWomen
06-17-08, 09:21
Safety is always an issue in Colombia. There are those here who say it isn't, but you need to look at it and judge for yourself where you're happy on the scale between relaxed and paranoid. Personally I go for permanently nervous and suspicious: I find it keeps me out of too much shit.

As to where you build your pleasure palace I have no idea. I did hear that there's a growing group of European retirees setting up on the Atlantic coast. Not Cartagena or Santa Marta, but somewhere smaller. I can try and find out if you want.

Gfechaser
06-18-08, 00:05
Does anyone know about the Medellin Madman?

Spanish Main
06-18-08, 06:28
Safety is always an issue in Colombia. There are those here who say it isn't, but you need to look at it and judge for yourself where you're happy on the scale between relaxed and paranoid. Personally I go for permanently nervous and suspicious: I find it keeps me out of too much shit.

As to where you build your pleasure palace I have no idea. I did hear that there's a growing group of European retirees setting up on the Atlantic coast. Not Cartagena or Santa Marta, but somewhere smaller. I can try and find out if you want.I would appreciate that.

John Gault
06-19-08, 15:54
Hola gentlemen,

When I go to a new place I always look for things to do other than just mongering. In Lima they have a horse racing track.

I have tried many times on the web to find out about horse racing in Columbia with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.

You would be surprised about how many Chicas like horses. I ask them if they would like to see the horses and that works a lot of times so I can kill two birds with one stone.

I have been to Cali and CTG and Baq so I guess the only places left where There will be races is Medellin and Bog.

Thanks,

Vic

Tom 33
06-20-08, 00:29
Hola gentlemen,

When I go to a new place I always look for things to do other than just mongering. In Lima they have a horse racing track.

I have tried many times on the web to find out about horse racing in Columbia with no luck. Any help would be appreciated.

You would be surprised about how many Chicas like horses. I ask them if they would like to see the horses and that works a lot of times so I can kill two birds with one stone.

I have been to Cali and CTG and Baq so I guess the only places left where There will be races is Medellin and Bog.

Thanks,

VicThere was a horse track in Guarne near MedellŪn's international airport. It closed around a year ago.

Client 9
06-20-08, 10:17
I have a lot of friends who hang out on chat and dating sites. Unfortunately they're no more prepagos then US girls who hang out on similar sites are.I have a lot of friends that use the Colombian dating sites, too. In fact, I use the Colombian dating sites. However, I use them with both eyes wide open. Matchmaking services of any kind (marriage agencies, dating sites, etc.) are contrary to Colombian culture. Have you ever seen matchmaking services that introduce Colombian adults to other Colombian adults? Are there fraternities and sororities at the Colombian universities? I have never heard of Colombians of any age using matchmaking services of any kind to meet to other Colombians. Why? Because there is no reason to. Furthermore no Colombian woman wants to be considered "rebuscona" by her family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc.

Almost every prepago that I have met in Colombia did not reveal that they were a prepago until I later confronted them. Almost every prepago that I know is on the Colombian dating sites.

American culture and Colombian culture are different.

Client 9
06-20-08, 10:55
Sorry Client, I'm calling BS on you.

80% of inhabitants of Bogota were born somewhere else. Most big cities in Colombia have sizeable amounts of people who are from elsewhere in the country. Not to mention about 10% of Colombian citizens reside out of the country (which is actually a pretty normal ratio for a country of its size).Well, Bango, I'm going to return the favor by calling BS on you.

First, I don't go to Bogota. I go to Barranquilla, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. Maybe Bogota is very different from the other major cities of Colombia. Maybe 80% of people in Bogota are from other cities as you claim, but I doubt it. It seems like hyperbole.

While I am uncertain about Bogota, I am certain about the other major cities of Colombia. At least 80% of the people that I have met in the other major cities of Colombia were born, raised and have lived their entire lives in the same city. And that's not hyperbole. It's an accurate statement.

Colombia is not a mobile society. In fact, Colombia is a rigid society in every way. Colombia is one of the most isolated countries in the world. Very few people emigrate to Colombia. There is very little tourism in Colombia. Most Colombians have never been to a foreign country. Most Colombians do not speak a foreign language. Colombian exposure to foreigners and foreign cultures is minimal.

Colombian adults do not use matchmaking services to meet other Colombian adults. Colombian universities do not have fraternities and sororities. Matchmaking services are not part of Colombian culture because Colombia is not a mobile society. The social networks of Colombians are rarely disrupted. The social networks of many Americans are constantly disrupted, and that explains the cultural acceptance of matchmaking services in the U. S.

Colombian culture and American culture are different.

Bango Cheito
06-21-08, 04:47
Likewise, I have only ever been to Bogota and the surrounding area, never been past Melgar, but from what I've seen first-hand.

There are sizeable communities in Bogota of Brazilians and Cubans, plus LOTS of people from Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, etc. And there are whole areas of town inhabited by almost nothing but Paisas, other areas inhabited by almost nothing but CosteŮos, others almost entirely by Vallunos, others by Boyacos etc. Not to mention out of the 3 million people that have been displaced in Colombia over the past 50 years at LEAST 50% of them have wound up in Bogota.

And BTW Facebook is MASSIVE in Colombia, just like Orkut is in Brazil. And as far as I'm concerned the average Rolo is more progressive minded in many ways than the average New Yorker or Angelino even.

Colombia Lover
06-21-08, 06:35
Interesting discussion on Bogota. I think there is middle ground between the two of you. I have been to Bogota many times and have friends there. Many of the folks who live in Bogota are, in fact, from Bogota. Families have lived there for many generations. However, there are also quite a few folks from other cities as well. While it is true that Colombians are not migratory by nature, many of them DO, in fact, head to Bogota out of necessity. Either because they could not find work where they lived (economic reasons) or because they were forced out of their homes by the FARC or others. So, while I doubt that Bogota is 80% outsiders, I believe there are a significant number. And we'll never know the true number. But can only guess. Bogota is like no other city in Colombia. For a lot of reasons. So many folks flock to Bogota, but the opportunities are not really there either. Perhaps more so than in small towns, but not anything substantial from what I've seen. When you have doctors and lawyers driving cabs, that tells you something.

CL

Prosal
06-21-08, 15:01
Matchmaking services of any kind (marriage agencies, dating sites, etc.) are contrary to Colombian cultureMay I chime in ? ... obrigado :)

Bango Cheito is right of course. Internet dating/matchmaking is even more popular in South America than in our western countries.

On yahoo encontros.br, the largest brasilian dating site, a single search on [Brasil -> todos estatos -> women -> aged 18 - 30 - > with photos -> looking for men] give something like 637 000 answers. I'm pretty sure that 98% are "normal" women, and not piranhas or putas (or prepagos or whatever).

I'm not a specialist of colombian sites but what is true for Brasil is also surely for Colombia.

Angryant
06-22-08, 21:58
A (Colombiana) friend of mine in Bogota broke her leg in the other day. I would like to send her enough money to cover the medical expenses but I do not have a ton of $$ right now AND she will absolutely not reveal to me how much this has set her back (but I know if I wire some funds into her account, she'll be grateful).

Any idea how much the medical visits and cast / crutches would set a local back??

Thanks for any info or thoughts...
Aa

AddictedToWomen
06-23-08, 07:43
A (Colombiana) friend of mine in Bogota broke her leg in the other day. I would like to send her enough money to cover the medical expenses but I do not have a ton of $$ right now AND she will absolutely not reveal to me how much this has set her back (but I know if I wire some funds into her account, she'll be grateful).

Any idea how much the medical visits and cast / crutches would set a local back??

Thanks for any info or thoughts.

AaCould be almost nothing is she's in CISBEN (sp?). If she's formally employed (even as a domestic) her employer is obliged to provide her with medical insurance in which case there will be a co-pay but it could be as little as a few k.

MJG Dogs
06-24-08, 06:36
Dude;

Live and learn even if it takes four years.

I hope you do not send the next chica any money.

AddictedToWomen
06-24-08, 10:02
I heard something similar by a girlfriend. The store she work in was broken into and things were stolen. She lost her job. Can I send money?

Answer. Yes, I sent her $175. And an email saying good luck, I am looking for another girlfriend (mooch).

This was after 4 years of her sucking money from me.

I was her ATM.My personal circumstances are opening my eyes to the fact that the distance between survival and disaster for many poor Colombian families is razor thin. If you're living hand-to-mouth, supporting your elderly parents, have no savings, and limited access to medical care until its often too late it takes almost nothing to tip you over time after time.

Sure she may be sponging off you. Or it may be that her need for survival is greater than her her need for your cock.

Bango Cheito
06-25-08, 05:52
It's pretty pathetic to feel sorry for Colombians' access to health care when it is BETTER than the access to it here in America. If you really feel you want to use your money to help someone, find someone in your OWN NEIGHBORHOOD who needs it. Colombia may be poorer than the US but it's not THAT bad down there.

AddictedToWomen
06-25-08, 09:13
It's pretty pathetic to feel sorry for Colombians' access to health care when it is BETTER than the access to it here in America. If you really feel you want to use your money to help someone, find someone in your OWN NEIGHBORHOOD who needs it. Colombia may be poorer than the US but it's not THAT bad down there.The US? Hardly an aspiration goal for Colombia.

I can assure you that.- in practice, though not in law.- access to health care at the bottom of the social scale in Colombia is very limited, not free, and interventions late, thereby increasing their cost with knock on effects on the system.

Even if we focus our attention on principal cities and ignore the total lack of care in rural communities, we see seriously I'll people starting to queue very early in the morning (4am) in order to be sufficiently early to get an appointment: if you're too late you're just cut off and have to return the following day.

Owing to that pressure on the system.- and cost.- patients often turn up with progressed illnesses that require costly and urgent treatments. But the patient themselves will be required to pay for certain things, for example certain drugs or a drain tube, likely to beyond their means.

Add to that an economic and sanitary climate such as exists in many parts of Colombia and even the hardest-working poor family is only one misstep from disaster.

There's a couple on one of the other Colombia groups that regularly works with the poor and disadvantaged of Bogota. They've got a site with photos somewhere; I'll see if I can find it.

Lucky Strike
06-25-08, 23:47
Jun 25, 11pm ET, and 3 more re-runs over the next 7 days.

Johan007
06-26-08, 00:34
Well, Bango, I'm going to return the favor by calling BS on you.

First, I don't go to Bogota. I go to Barranquilla, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. Maybe Bogota is very different from the other major cities of Colombia. Maybe 80% of people in Bogota are from other cities as you claim, but I doubt it. It seems like hyperbole.

While I am uncertain about Bogota, I am certain about the other major cities of Colombia. At least 80% of the people that I have met in the other major cities of Colombia were born, raised and have lived their entire lives in the same city. And that's not hyperbole. It's an accurate statement.

Colombia is not a mobile society. In fact, Colombia is a rigid society in every way. Colombia is one of the most isolated countries in the world. Very few people emigrate to Colombia. There is very little tourism in Colombia. Most Colombians have never been to a foreign country. Most Colombians do not speak a foreign language. Colombian exposure to foreigners and foreign cultures is minimal.

Colombian adults do not use matchmaking services to meet other Colombian adults. Colombian universities do not have fraternities and sororities. Matchmaking services are not part of Colombian culture because Colombia is not a mobile society. The social networks of Colombians are rarely disrupted. The social networks of many Americans are constantly disrupted, and that explains the cultural acceptance of matchmaking services in the U. S.

Colombian culture and American culture are different.I would have to agree 100% on that Client9.

fact is in Colombia you do NOT need any matchmaking services...becuase Colombian women do NOT make SEX a big deal! It's a normal thing for them.

Need I say more?

Johan

Bango Cheito
06-26-08, 08:23
No argument that sex is freer there. I'm arguing that they're not as unsophisticated and provincial as people are making them out to be. Otherwise I would NEVER consider moving there.

Player2
06-26-08, 23:43
Hi Guys:

Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.

I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.

I do have experience in int'l travel.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Player2

Ken_Apples
06-27-08, 08:17
Hi Guys,

For different reasons it can be handy to take a chica to a short time motel instead of your hotel / apartment.

Do you guys have some personal favorite short time hotel to reccomend in:

1. Bogota

2. Cartagena

3. Medellin

4. Cali

5. Barranquilla

If you have some personal favorite in any of this cities, please help me out.

Best regards / Ken Apples

Gordo68
06-27-08, 14:46
Really great kick-off deals for airfare to a couple of destinations in Colombia. They start flying on July 24 and have fares starting @ $69 RT from Ft Lauderdale. For those of you who always wanted to go and are flexible on dates.

John Gault
06-28-08, 00:17
Hi Guys:

Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.

I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.

I do have experience in int'l travel.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Player2I have been to BAQ, CTG and Cali so of those 3 places for hard core mongering, Cali wins hands down. With the right taxi driver He will take you to places you will not believe. Be sure to go to the naked pool hall. The quilty is not great but what an experence!

MiamiHeatLuver
06-28-08, 12:26
Hi Guys:

Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.

I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.

I do have experience in int'l travel.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Player2If you don't speak spanish Cali is the last place to go, nobody speaks any english in Cali and you will be eaten alive, if you must go to Colombia, I would suggest monger haven ctg or someplace like the mansion or el castillo in mde. In a place like the mansion you will find other eager mongers in the same position as you who "might" be wiling to help you along, if not you have the mansion staff!

Cabroncito
06-28-08, 21:27
Hi Guys:

Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.

I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.

I do have experience in int'l travel.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Player2Since you don't speak spanish CTG is your best choice.

Where is this naked pool hall vics?

Tjmee
06-29-08, 00:18
What's the corrct term for the naked pool hall its in cali right?

Hm Hw
06-29-08, 00:42
I'm thinking about visiting Colombia and have been browsing the Colombia posts and am surprised at how high the prices are here. Colombia doesn't get as many visitors as Thailand and is also more dangerous/less tourist friendly, yet the prices seem to be about twice as much in Colombia versus Thailand. Is there something special about the women in Colombia that make it worth the higher price?

Hm Hw
06-29-08, 03:17
I'm thinking about visiting Colombia and have been browsing the Colombia posts and am surprised at how high the prices are here. Colombia doesn't get as many visitors as Thailand and is also more dangerous/less tourist friendly, yet the prices seem to be more expensive in Colombia than Thailand. Is there something special about the women in Colombia that make it worth the higher price?

Cabroncito
06-29-08, 20:35
I'm thinking about visiting Colombia and have been browsing the Colombia posts and am surprised at how high the prices are here. Colombia doesn't get as many visitors as Thailand and is also more dangerous/less tourist friendly, yet the prices seem to be more expensive in Colombia than Thailand. Is there something special about the women in Colombia that make it worth the higher price?If you want low prices definitely head to Thailand NOT Colombia. The price difference is closer to 3x lower in Asia. The big draw to Colombia is many of us are bilingual and obviously the flight is shorter, among other things. But I think most of us will agree it is not a budget destination especially with the stronger peso in the last 12mo.

Ricker
06-29-08, 22:28
I have been to BAQ, CTG and Cali so of those 3 places for hard core mongering, Cali wins hands down. With the right taxi driver He will take you to places you will not believe. Be sure to go to the naked pool hall. The quilty is not great but what an experence!Hmmm ... I definitely wouldnīt steer a new guy to Cali on his first trip.

Iīve visted the pool hall a couple times, and though itīs interesting, and like you said, not great quality, it`s definitely not a reason to choose Cali over another city within Colombia.

A visit to Cartagena or the Medellin Mansion would be far more enjoyable for a first time IMHO.

John Gault
06-29-08, 23:50
What's the corrct term for the naked pool hall its in cali right?The name of the place is Bar Billar Discoteka. It is near the Chipi Choppi Mall.

And for the record I did not say that this pool hall was the reason to go to Cali.

Goga Fung
06-30-08, 05:01
Hi Guys:

Please help in deciding which city to go in Colombia.

I dont speak spanish and I have never been to Colombia before.

I do have experience in int'l travel.

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Player2If you do not speak any Spanish, I think there is not much point to go to Colombia. You will miss a lot. Even though taxi drivers usually know some English, and also places like Medellin Mansion will help you a lot, but the girls usually know at most 1-2 words in English. Also girls who come to Mansion charge a lot. I think it would be simpler to go to Curacao where everything is very simple and Colombian girls there are more experienced with foreigners and they are relatively cheap.

Tjmee
06-30-08, 05:03
The Medellin mansion is like a banquet hall, it seems, from what I have checked online and its owned by aussie greg. Its not like a real bar. Is it? They have like bday parties for kids there.

Looking For Eden
06-30-08, 07:48
If you do not speak any Spanish, I think there is not much point to go to Colombia. You will miss a lot. Even though taxi drivers usually know some English, and also places like Medellin Mansion will help you a lot, but the girls usually know at most 1-2 words in English. Also girls who come to Mansion charge a lot. I think it would be simpler to go to Curacao where everything is very simple and Colombian girls there are more experienced with foreigners and they are relatively cheap.I have only been to CTG but in my experience if you wait long enough you can always find a girl that speaks at least some english (more than 1 or 2 words). I have never been to Curacao but Colombia has a lot to offer and where I stayed many spoke english.

Shamester
06-30-08, 21:47
Mongers,

Any recommendations in Bogata to purchase authentic Emeralds, Rubys or Sapphires at good prices?

Thank you.

Goga Fung
06-30-08, 23:32
I have only been to CTG but in my experience if you wait long enough you can always find a girl that speaks at least some english (more than 1 or 2 words). I have never been to Curacao but Colombia has a lot to offer and where I stayed many spoke english.I guess you are right, it looks like there are more English-speaking girls in CTG. But in Medellin and Bogota I have not met any English-speaking working girl. In Medellin I stayed at the Mansion and they do everything to help you around. But at the time when I did not speak much Spanish the experience with girls was quite dumb for me. Of course it was good, but you feel really stupid when they try to say something to you and you don't understand. One girl was asking me if I wanted her to be my girlfriend, but I did not get it. When I learned some Spanish, it was a completely different story.

AddictedToWomen
07-01-08, 09:06
Mongers,

Any recommendations in Bogata to purchase authentic Emeralds, Rubys or Sapphires at good prices?

Thank you.Rubys and Sapphires I don't know anything about, but I looked at how to do this with Emeralds and came to the conclusion that for the average person its nearly impossible. While grading diamonds is straightforward, grading emeralds is not: they have many more variables and can easily be treated to hide flaws from all but the most expert eyes. Consequently most reputable jewellers won't touch them (if you're thinking of resale).

Having said that I do have a source, and emeralds can be graded and certified by state bodies, so if you've found people who would buy them let me know and maybe we can work something out.

Ken_Apples
07-02-08, 00:10
Following the fantastic forum feedback (zero!) on my question regarding lovehouses / short-time motels in Colombia.

I got some private input from Col Bog1 and Johan007 (You Guys Rocks! :) )

So, to help other members searching for lovehouses around Colombia, here comes a list: (from the Colombian "Yellow pages")

I have not tested any of these myself, but if you have + or - from some motel, please contribute to the forum.

Now to the list.

Barranquilla:

http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=barranquilla+

Bogota:

http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=bogota

Cali:

http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=cali

Cartagena:

http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=cartagena

Medellin:

http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=medellin

Santa Marta:

http://www.paginasamarillas.com/pagamanet/web/companyCategory.aspx?ipa=*&npa=Todos+los+Pa%edses&idi=1&txb=moteles&nci=santa+marta

Final words: Again, thanks to all you members who contribute to the better of the forum.

Happy Hunting / Ken Apples

Shamester
07-02-08, 02:17
Thank you Addicted to Women.

I will keep you in mind. Certifications are extremely important if you plan to resell on line. Its less important if you resell to a reputable dealer with the equipment to check the 4 Cs.

Another message board suggested the following Bogota locations:

www.colomguia.com/Paginasdirectorio/Joyerias/joyas3.htm

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Fantasy
07-04-08, 02:49
Keeps pounding the fact that F.A.R.C. was totally out smarted. I wish they would shut up already, before they drive the rebels into town to replace their missing americans. Now is a glorious time to be colombian, but might be a good time to let the dust settle before returning as a monger. I think I will head back to Northern Chile for awhile.

El Minetero
07-09-08, 16:19
What is the situation with Visas to Colombia? How long is it possible to stay on a tourist visa? Is there any kind of retirement visa? What do you do about long stay if you plan to live there?

Thanks,

Khun Talung

Looking For Eden
07-10-08, 05:02
You can stay up to 90 days if you are a US citizen without a visa.