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Phunluv
09-15-09, 00:20
I seriously don't get it.. I'm not a marriage councelor, but why are some guys in such a rush to get married? The only reason I see is if you want kids. Any other reason and a novia is just fine. Why do think the divorce rates in your country is high? It's from all the people rushing into marriage. Go to a foreign country where the economy is even worse.. then multiply the divorce rate about a thousand. The odds are even worse.Exactly. I think it's social pressures that lead so many men astray. Plus years of watching bs Hollywood movies that show men and women falling in love and then marrying in ways that are complete fabrications, nothing to do with real life, and yet people fall for this nonsense.

So the consensus is if you're not married by a certain age, you're either gay or there's something wrong with you; and divorced women are also judgmental about men who have never married by a certain age (as if their prospects for remarriage are any better, their loss I guess). I say you just got to have the cojones to reject the social bs and live the way you see fit, not this societal mirage that's painted for us.

Daves Pison
09-15-09, 03:31
Brother this is your fault, many guys think when you go to Colombia to meet this paisas you are going to be able to buy love. Mijo you are a Sucker this happens to alot af men when you visit medallo. Just live and learn how to play this game. I visit Colombia 5 times per year and I play with all of them not in a hurry to marry this hoes not at all.


No I won't. Don't get me wrong, but what I wrote was about ONE girl from Colombia. I like the people there, I like the country, unfortunately I picked the wrong girl.

I was many times in Colombia, spent the time with her. Under the given circumstances it was not possible to bring her to Germany. She had no job, no bank account and all these things they are asking for before they give a Visa. After travelling for 1.5 years to Colombia we married there. After that she got a 90 days Visa, but only under the condition that I booked a language course for her. During all this time there have been some cases which let me doubt on her, but never I expected the outcome. It was like this, that she lived before with her novio and the times after our marriage when she was alone over there to visit her "family". Sure, now I say how stupid I was, but during that time with her I always put my doubts to the background. When we have been together to Colombia or when we lived together in Germany she was the cutest esposa you can imagine. Of course there have been from beginning these questions to help her family, but damn I married her and her family was also my family. So I paid her a salary via my company to her Colombian account. Later I had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. She used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.

And yes, all this can happen with a european or american woman too. What scared me was the way she played this game for more than 2 years. Finally the doubts I had became too much. Furthermore she has a sister who is living in Spain and she told me the story. Worse on all this is, I can't proof if it is right or not. And the sister in Spain is only her "half-sister". Maybe she is just jealous because she and her husband have it quite difficult over there and they don't know how to survive.

Therefore again, does anybody know a detectiv in Pereira?

Fabone
09-15-09, 13:50
I say you just got to have the cojones to reject the social bs and live the way you see fit, not this societal mirage that's painted for us.I don't agree with the whole but WOW: I like this part!

Spot on!

Ricker
09-15-09, 18:52
Many of those posting here will share this general view and to be honest with you, I think that they have a valid point and have every right to enjoy many women over many years with no strings attached.

Of course your final line is unrealistic for most guys.

If that were posible for me and most posting here, Colombia would be one crowded place. Hahaha

There are guys who want to share more than a bed with a great woman.

They'd like to bring a "good choice of a woman" back and live life with her.

Sure kids "could" be part of their plans but sharing all that life has to offer, might be their primary reason. Everyone is wired slightly different.

To each their own but having enjoyed both lifestyles to great lenghts, I find it hard to be so one sided in my opinion.

I choose to support both.Senor Fabone, you may be fairly new to this board, however, you are definitely not new to Colombia and it's culture.

This ISG has it's share of characters, and it's drama at times, but every once in a while a new guy shows up with some pretty good wisdom and not all bravado.

I've enjoyed your posts.

Thanks

Bango Cheito
09-15-09, 21:50
Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.

Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.

I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.

If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.

RobbyPump
09-15-09, 22:10
After reading reports from several forums about where I should go to learn Spanish and chase Chicas, I've decided to focus on Columbia and the Dominican Republic.

Of course the whole affair is still 9 months away and I'm open to additional info, so this isn't set in stone. Still, that's the way I'm leaning right now.

Thanks heaps to all of you whi offerd advice. I tried to PM thanks to all of you, but if I missed one or two I apologise and offer my appreciaition.

Any advice on how to find affordable (less than $900 US a month) apartments for the 10 weeks, advice on language schools or intructors (those that have already offerd advice on this I'll be in touch) and any other tidbits would be gladly accepted.

As I move closer to leraving I'll keep you all up to date.

Thanks

Manizales911
09-16-09, 14:38
Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.

Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.

I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.

If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.Dude,

No need for all the hostility take a freekin' valium or something. That said, you are spot on that most Colombians wouldn't leave their beloved country if given the chance, some absolutely would but most wouldn't. My novia knows she has a standing offer to move to the states any time she wants to and would never even give it a thought and she comes from a very poor barrio.

Miami77
09-16-09, 14:46
I can rent you a furnished apartment in a nice neighborhood in Barranquilla for $150/month which will include all of your utilities. It's in a Strato 6 neighborhood. The bus stops infront of the house and takes you to the Universidad del Norte where you can study Spanish at the best school in the city. The cost for the Spanish classes is approx $4.50 per hour and you can do about 2 hours per day in the evening.


After reading reports from several forums about where I should go to learn Spanish and chase Chicas, I've decided to focus on Columbia and the Dominican Republic.

Of course the whole affair is still 9 months away and I'm open to additional info, so this isn't set in stone. Still, that's the way I'm leaning right now.

Thanks heaps to all of you whi offerd advice. I tried to PM thanks to all of you, but if I missed one or two I apologise and offer my appreciaition.

Any advice on how to find affordable (less than $900 US a month) apartments for the 10 weeks, advice on language schools or intructors (those that have already offerd advice on this I'll be in touch) and any other tidbits would be gladly accepted.

As I move closer to leraving I'll keep you all up to date.

Thanks

Fabone
09-16-09, 15:29
Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.

Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesn't mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.

I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.

If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.Leaving and never coming back?

I assume that you are in Colombia? Bogota?

If you have lived in Colombia for the past year, I'm sure you are speaking from experience and although no 2 people share the same experience, your advice warrants full attention.

From my experience with Colombia, I find it to be a "bitter sweet" place for the Colombians. The truth is, they can't walk away from the ATM counting their cash like we can in most neighborhoods here. Most have seen someone stabbed, shot, or a dead body or two. They've all watched someone get mugged/robbed.

But with the lack of regulation comes freedoms. Freedom to a people with a passion for life! They love to live. They know their neighbors. They look you in the eye when you talk to them and are not slow to flash a smile!

It's a unique place, Colombia.

I know Colombianos here in the US. I think that they all smile in fond memory when they speak of Colombia. Although here, most choose to buy homes in Colombia to retire to one day. And I say that's cool too.

But Bango says he's not coming back? If I understood you correctly?

I've never lived this personally, but I can imagine that the old adage "It's a nice place to visit, I wouldn't want to live there" could apply for Bango based on his experience. However with sites such as "poor but happy" being in existence, it's obvious that there are other opinions too.

Bango makes another good point on the "monogamous wife" comment.

He wants to share and be shared. That's a strong and liberal position that flies in the face of conventional thinking and my hat is off to him. That's cool.

I tend to think of a woman's sexuality as a scale in a spectrum:

On the left end there's the virgin who will not have sex until she is married.

On the right is the full blown puta that will bang you any time, anywhere and she don't give a sh! % who knows about it.

In between those two extremes exists the vast majority. With differing sexual appetites and self projections. I tend to like my "fun girls" somewhat right of center. She tends to be fun and allows me to have fun too.

But if I really care for some one, I selfishly want her somewhere center of the far left and dead center.

It's crazy but I think there are a lot of guys who tend to look women only as one extreme or the other.

Hell, Bango is way ahead of me. He wants girls who will not only let him bang others but he's ok with her banging others too.

I'm ok with this with "fun" girls, but my "dream" girl would be faithful to me and only me while she would be ok with me banging other chicas as I felt I wanted to. Hahahahaha

All kidding aside, Bango makes one more good point here when he says that: It is VERY presumptuous of us to think that we are going to "rescue" these girls from this life, this place.

Here's the fact. Now listen carefully here:

The majority of the good, healthy family type girls that leave their country, culture, language & family one day and move to another country. No matter how prosperous, no matter how much in love. Go thru withdrawals and end up in depression. They end up moving home. (Can work both ways, look at Bango's first sentence)

The more mature the woman the more likely she can handle the change. (There goes the idea of bringing that little 19 year old home! Darn! )

Now an opportunistic chica will be ALL OVER IT and divorce your as$, take half then, without looking back, move on up the ladder. Whatever that may be.

Look guys, opinions are like. Well you know.

Just use your head (the big one).

And remember: It Ain't Ever Black & White Out There! Ever

Bango Cheito
09-16-09, 21:33
Yes sir, I'm here in beautiful Bogota Colombia. And NEVER going back.

I also have 15 years previously hanging out with the Colombian community in Toronto and NY where I previously lived. Most Colombians can not STAND being out of their country. I'd say like 98 or 99% of them.

It is definitely more dangerous than here, and I have the knife scars to prove it. But I still feel the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Let me just say once you get in the right circle here you'd be SURPRISED how open minded people can be.

RobbyPump
09-17-09, 01:29
Sorry about my atrocious spelling in the title of my last posting. Must have been thinking of the chicas rather than checking my diction. So to speak.

Miami. I'll keep you in mind and thanks for the offer. I've still got a while to go until final plans need to laid.

Caballero Oscuro
09-17-09, 04:08
After reading reports from several forums about where I should go to learn Spanish and chase Chicas, I've decided to focus on Columbia and the Dominican Republic.

Of course the whole affair is still 9 months away and I'm open to additional info, so this isn't set in stone. Still, that's the way I'm leaning right now.

Thanks heaps to all of you whi offerd advice. I tried to PM thanks to all of you, but if I missed one or two I apologise and offer my appreciaition.

Any advice on how to find affordable (less than $900 US a month) apartments for the 10 weeks, advice on language schools or intructors (those that have already offerd advice on this I'll be in touch) and any other tidbits would be gladly accepted.

As I move closer to leraving I'll keep you all up to date.

ThanksI would definitely recommend against taking classes in the DR. Dominican Spanish is very regional and unique. Give the regionalized dialect of MDE/Antioquia and the Costeña dialect in CTG/BAQ. BOG may be your best bet in Colombia (note the spelling) to learn neutral Spanish. I went to a language school in Lima. I found that Peruvian Spanish is very neutral and easier to understand. PM me if you want details on the school.

Legal Tender
09-17-09, 05:34
Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.

Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.

I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.

If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.I guess my logic was all screwed up. I was under the impression that Colombia is a poor, dirty and dangerous country. I thought making it possible for a beautiful and intelligent student to come to the U.S. to get a degree from a U.S. university would be a good thing. Certainly she wants to return to Colombia to help "her" people. I thought that this rescue, and that is what it is, would evidence a great respect and hope for her future.

Colombia is different. One might certainly chose it over another place. And, no doubt, it has qualities that can't be found anywhere else - especially its women. In most instances people want to live in their "homeland". Some have bitter experiences and would never want to return there. I just thought that it was a good idea to help a very bright Colombian girl to become educated in the U.S. Am I missing something?

Only good energy, where ever you are, and what ever you are running from.

Lusifer69
09-17-09, 09:06
I'm planning a trip to the Baranquillan Carnival.

Any info or advice would be much appreciated.

PS: Also if you have info on rental apartments in Baranquilla that would be great.

Thanks!

Calizum
09-17-09, 13:30
Yes sir, I'm here in beautiful Bogota Colombia. And NEVER going back.

I also have 15 years previously hanging out with the Colombian community in Toronto and NY where I previously lived. Most Colombians can not STAND being out of their country. I'd say like 98 or 99% of them.

It is definitely more dangerous than here, and I have the knife scars to prove it. But I still feel the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Let me just say once you get in the right circle here you'd be SURPRISED how open minded people can be.Im Medellin born Colombian and came to the US when I wuz 2 yrs old, Im 40 know and I know the Colombian culture in religion politics blah blah blah, and the majority and let me say this again the majority of Colombians want to live a better life financially and not worried about walking the streets in Colombia. And eye tell u from first hand that the majority would love to live and work here in the US. Again there is two type of society, well off and the poor. The poor always support communism and so forth like in Cuba, the poor love Castro regime, but the intelligent and wise successfull knows whats up and know that there is better life here in the states, 98% what a joke! I always hear different than a chica talking to gringos ear, eye know when I exchange info from the same chicas they luv to treat u and tell u what u want to hear, but eye get the real story, just keeping it real.

Karloz

AddictedToWomen
09-17-09, 14:18
I just thought that it was a good idea to help a very bright Colombian girl to become educated in the USA Am I missing something? I think so. A very bright Colombian girl (or guy) can get almost free tertiary education at Colombia's top university. Why would they want to almost bankrupt themselves to attend a US university which on the whole are of poorer quality?

Bango Cheito
09-17-09, 22:52
Dangerous, yes, poor, no, it's about on the median line as far as PPP goes, there are as many countries poorer than Colombia as are richer, dirty, depends on how you define dirty.

To the other dude, you don't even LIVE here, how would you know what people think? I don't care if you were born here, that means nothing in the long run. Colombia has no higher percentage of its population living in the exterior than do Canada Australia New Zealand and the UK.

Getting an education in a US university, well it all depends on the institution obviously. High school level or below, Colombian education KILLS US education. Hands down.

The more I stay here the more I learn NOT to underrate things here. Take that for what it's worth.

Legal Tender
09-18-09, 00:05
I think so. A very bright Colombian girl (or guy) can get almost free tertiary education at Colombia's top university. Why would they want to almost bankrupt themselves to attend a US university which on the whole are of poorer quality? Incorrect facts leads to faulty conclusions. According to USA News & World Report's ranking of the World's Best Colleges & Universities, there is not a single Colombian university in the top 400. The highest ranking institution in Sur Americano is University of Campinas (Unicamp) in Brazil, which is ranked 249th. 13 of the top 20 are in the USA And, providing this opportunity to a worthy Colombian girl, damn sure won't bankrupt me. But, thanks for the viewpoint.

University of Campinas (Unicamp)

Manizales911
09-18-09, 03:17
Im Medellin born Colombian and came to the US when I wuz 2 yrs old, Im 40 know and I know the Colombian culture in religion politics blah blah blah, and the majority and let me say this again the majority of Colombians want to live a better life financially and not worried about walking the streets in Colombia. And eye tell u from first hand that the majority would love to live and work here in the US. Again there is two type of society, well off and the poor. The poor always support communism and so forth like in Cuba, the poor love Castro regime, but the intelligent and wise successfull knows whats up and know that there is better life here in the states, 98% what a joke! I always hear different than a chica talking to gringos ear, eye know when I exchange info from the same chicas they luv to treat u and tell u what u want to hear, but eye get the real story, just keeping it real.

KarlozIf you came to the U.S. when you were two years old what makes you an authority on what Colombians living in Colombia want? Bango is living in Colombia currently so he should know what he's talking about, not you.

Ricker
09-18-09, 03:36
... eye know when I exchange info from the same chicas they luv to treat u and tell u what u want to hear, but eye get the real story, just keeping it real ...

KarlozEye just loved your post.

Thanks for keeping it real.

Eye am glad we have you for that.

AddictedToWomen
09-18-09, 13:19
Incorrect facts leads to faulty conclusions. According to USA News & World Report's ranking of the World's Best Colleges & Universities, there is not a single Colombian university in the top 400. The highest ranking institution in Sur Americano is University of Campinas (Unicamp) in Brazil, which is ranked 249th. 13 of the top 20 are in the USA And, providing this opportunity to a worthy Colombian girl, damn sure won't bankrupt me. But, thanks for the viewpoint.

University of Campinas (Unicamp)Well I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you re universities. Sure there are some good universities in the US: that's not my point. My point is that the *majority* of universities in the US are very iffy. And given a choice between an almost free tertiary education at the very highly regarded National University and bankrupting yourself to get a degree from an iffy US university I know what I'd do.

HoleRanger
09-18-09, 16:43
I recently received an advertisement for the above visa type from a so called law firm. Is anybody familiar with this type of visa? Below is some of the ad:

Colombian Residency Tips: The Permanent Friend Visa other wise known as the companeros permanente visa is another Colombia Residency.Alternative to the marriage visa, but requires less paperwork in time to process. once this visa is processed you can stay in Colombia for two years before you have to renew the visa. For this month only we are charging a small fee of only US$300 to process paperwork necessary to get this visa in Colombia.

Thanks and enjoy!

Bango Cheito
09-18-09, 16:59
Once again, if you're sending the girl to a top notch school in the US, yeah, it will be worth it, if you're sending her to a community college or such, she's probably better off getting educated in Colombia. There's no doubt the top schools in the US are serious business, but there's also a good number of universities in the US where the PROFESSORS much less the students are functionally illiterate (a good part of the CUNY system in NYC comes to mind).

No truer words could be said. Take EVERYTHING everybody in Colombia tells you with a grain of salt until they PROVE themselves worthy of trust. Telling people what they want to hear in order to smooth things over is deeply engrained into Latin culture, and Colombians are total experts at it.

Furysys
09-18-09, 18:08
Question for anyone who knows. I understand Hooters is now open in Poblado, is this true? And if so, are they showing the NFL games?

Calizum
09-18-09, 18:34
If you came to the USA When you were two years old what makes you an authority on what Colombians living in Colombia want? Bango is living in Colombia currently so he should know what he's talking about, not you.I left out that since I wuz two to my senior year, I would go to Medellin or better yet antioquia every summer and after that I have lived there back here in the states due to my business especially in Manrique. Medellin is my soul city from birth and my place of rest when I die.

Look if you where to wear a pilot uniform or any other uniform, the fact is people will treat you the way you dress, groom, skin color, your origin birth state, tongue and speak there paisa tongue spanish, treat you differently. Any chica, tika, gal, ***** or whatever will treat and approach a gringo way differently to me and if he is also latin, well a fat latin cat male will have the inside trak. But that don't matter as there is plenty to share, as a matter of fact if you live in any of these country, there to many to handle and your contact list on your phone is beyond any single monger can handle. But remember these women know how 2 please because of the ca$h. Period.

I have a dear buddy that I introduce a gorgeous shakira Paisa like tika, he fell in love with her cause she treated him like a king. She did everything from cooking in the morning to get his nuts off, freaky in bed but a lady in the streets like we all want, they got married, I warned him but as soon as his volatile company assets shrunk and dissapeared in the states, she left him quicker than quick. This is most common scenario. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.

Have a nice happy mongering weekend.

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Daves Pison
09-19-09, 00:04
HOOTERS IS IN ENVIGADO PAPA, you go to medellin to watch the nfl is kind a looser thinking to do for myself don't spend too much time watching these gorillas kill eachother not when i'm in medallo, I rather explore the sexual wildsides of the paisas or maybe the hooter girls ahhhhh this is a paradise full of fine paisas all over antioquia.


Question for anyone who knows. I understand Hooters is now open in Poblado, is this true? And if so, are they showing the NFL games?

Fabone
09-19-09, 00:45
I left out that since I wuz two to my senior year, I would go to Medellin or better yet antioquia every summer and after that I have lived there back here in the states due to my business especially in Manrique. Medellin is my soul city from birth and my place of rest when I die.

Look if you where to wear a pilot uniform or any other uniform, the fact is people will treat you the way you dress, groom, skin color, your origin birth state, tongue and speak there paisa tongue spanish, treat you differently. Any chica, tika, gal, ***** or whatever will treat and approach a gringo way differently to me and if he is also latin, well a fat latin cat male will have the inside trak. But that don't matter as there is plenty to share, as a matter of fact if you live in any of these country, there to many to handle and your contact list on your phone is beyond any single monger can handle. But remember these women know how 2 please because of the ca$h. Period.

I have a dear buddy that I introduce a gorgeous shakira Paisa like tika, he fell in love with her cause she treated him like a king. She did everything from cooking in the morning to get his nuts off, freaky in bed but a lady in the streets like we all want, they got married, I warned him but as soon as his volatile company assets shrunk and dissapeared in the states, she left him quicker than quick. This is most common scenario. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.

Have a nice happy mongering weekend.

Non-English text deleted by AdminYou have an interestng way of putting things but I'd say two things:

1) You DO understand the Colombian culture better than most on this post due to the fact that you were raised by your Colombian parents here AND that they made sure to send you to Colombia each summer. You ARE Colombiano. Of course you have the advantage of a US cultural infuence too.

2) You are young and although you "know" Colombia, you are limited by the experience that you have and therefore can still have plenty to learn. About Both Colombian & US cultures, their women and life itself. And that's OK. Hell, it's normal.

You still speak in generalities regarding latinas and believe me I know, there DO exist chicas who prefer a "fat cat" smooth as$ gringo over latino.

Though "generally" speaking you are correct. Also there DO exists chicas that aren't focused on "the cash", as you put it.

You know a guy who fell for a paisa who took him for a ride.

I know another guy who married & brought his girl back to the US and get this: In over 3 years she's never ask for a dime, she worships the ground he walks on AND she's fuat#ing HOT!

Man I know several success stories with these girls. You just have to see past the BS and find the right one. IF that is your goal.

My advice: Enjoy them, guard your heart, get a LOT of experience ant test, test, test. Eventually you'l recognize the differences in these girls.

Good post Calizum!

Member #3435
09-19-09, 02:10
Look if you where to wear a pilot uniform or any other uniform, the fact is people will treat you the way you dress, groom, skin color, your origin birth state, tongue and speak there paisa tongue spanish, treat you differently. Any chica, tika, gal, ***** or whatever will treat and approach a gringo way differently to me and if he is also latin, well a fat latin cat male will have the inside trak. But that don't matter as there is plenty to share, as a matter of fact if you live in any of these country, there to many to handle and your contact list on your phone is beyond any single monger can handle. But remember these women know how 2 please because of the ca$h. Period.

Dude: If Eye "where to wear a pilot uniform........"

Sorry, you lost me.

Psychman
09-19-09, 02:44
. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.Anyone who disagrees with this statement needs 50 sessions of therapy before their next mongering trip.

Manizales911
09-19-09, 04:01
Once again, if you're sending the girl to a top notch school in the US, yeah, it will be worth it, if you're sending her to a community college or such, she's probably better off getting educated in Colombia. There's no doubt the top schools in the US are serious business, but there's also a good number of universities in the US where the PROFESSORS much less the students are functionally illiterate (a good part of the CUNY system in NYC comes to mind).

No truer words could be said. Take EVERYTHING everybody in Colombia tells you with a grain of salt until they PROVE themselves worthy of trust. Telling people what they want to hear in order to smooth things over is deeply engrained into Latin culture, and Colombians are total experts at it.Funny you mention illiterate professors. My oldest daughter goes to a university in Connecticut. She called me the other day which was her first day of school and told me her English Composition professor wrote the title of the class on the blackboard and spelled composition c-o-m-p-E-s-i-t-i-o-n.

I almost pissed my pants laughing until I remembered I was paying 15K a year for her to have a professor that can't f**king spell.

AddictedToWomen
09-19-09, 17:25
Seems to be a dreadful outbreak of chatspeak on this thread.

Would someone care to tell me exactly why all readers have to spend time deciphering this crap just so one person can save a few seconds typing?

Calizum
09-19-09, 19:24
You have an interestng way of putting things but I'd say two things:

1) You DO understand the Colombian culture better than most on this post due to the fact that you were raised by your Colombian parents here AND that they made sure to send you to Colombia each summer. You ARE Colombiano. Of course you have the advantage of a US cultural infuence too.

2) You are young and although you "know" Colombia, you are limited by the experience that you have and therefore can still have plenty to learn. About Both Colombian & US cultures, their women and life itself. And that's OK. Hell, it's normal.

You still speak in generalities regarding latinas and believe me I know, there DO exist chicas who prefer a "fat cat" smooth as$ gringo over latino.

Though "generally" speaking you are correct. Also there DO exists chicas that aren't focused on "the cash", as you put it.

You know a guy who fell for a paisa who took him for a ride.

I know another guy who married & brought his girl back to the US and get this: In over 3 years she's never ask for a dime, she worships the ground he walks on AND she's fuat#ing HOT!

Man I know several success stories with these girls. You just have to see past the BS and find the right one. IF that is your goal.

My advice: Enjoy them, guard your heart, get a LOT of experience ant test, test, test. Eventually you'l recognize the differences in these girls.

Good post Calizum!1. Yes I know the majority of course there are those gems out there like a needle in the haystack but when u live there is easier to find them.

2. Well Im already going thru my middle age crisis as Im in my 40s so Im not young nor old I am going thru that ripe age like a nice green mango, u bite it with salt then straight down with fire water or as we Paisa say aguardiente!

And going off topics on what the majority Colombians want to try the American Economy, well its not flourishing lately but it aint no percentage as stated b 4.

Eye <3 Colombia

Fabone
09-19-09, 20:03
Anyone who disagrees with this statement needs 50 sessions of therapy before their next mongering trip.lmao!

And they call it "common" sense.

Psychman's right.

If you're fishing for bass, get off the ocean and find a lake.

Now with that said, stranger things HAVE happened but the odds are soooooo heavy against you, why even risk it? !

Fabone
09-19-09, 20:38
Incorrect facts leads to faulty conclusions. According to USA News & World Report's ranking of the World's Best Colleges & Universities, there is not a single Colombian university in the top 400. The highest ranking institution in Sur Americano is University of Campinas (Unicamp) in Brazil, which is ranked 249th. 13 of the top 20 are in the USA And, providing this opportunity to a worthy Colombian girl, damn sure won't bankrupt me. But, thanks for the viewpoint.

University of Campinas (Unicamp)Awesome LT.

Most Colombianos suffer from some type of superiority complex.

I've heard from several Colombianos how much better their educaion is than the US. The stories site examples of Colombianos who studied in the US and returned to Colombia to attwend ther only to find themselves way behind.

I thought that sounded like BS.

Thanks for the input LT.

Member #3435
09-20-09, 03:57
Awesome LT.

Most Colombianos suffer from some type of superiority complex.

I've heard from several Colombianos how much better their educaion is than the US. The stories site examples of Colombianos who studied in the US and returned to Colombia to attwend ther only to find themselves way behind.

I thought that sounded like BS.

Thanks for the input LT.US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.

However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).

Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?

It's because it's the best.

Just my observation, Schwmm

Legal Tender
09-20-09, 06:10
The Colombian that I have experienced is a dichotomy and a sea of contridictions. The Colombians, without exception, that I know of have tremendous pride in their country and their particular geographic area. Yet, they want to leave in droves. My amiga copied me on an e-mail that she sent to a friend in Argentina. What stuck in my memory was the phrase: "I am happy that you were able to escape from Colombia." Yet, she boasts that Medellin has the most interesting culture, best universities, best people in all of the world.

Why would any of these beautiful young women want to leave Colombia? I assume there are all kinds of motives, especially given their inherent dislike of the yankees. Do we romanticize Colombia when we don't acknowledge Colombia's violent past, its present, and its foreseeable future. What is the hope for most young and beautiful Colombian girls? Find a young and handsome Colombian dude? And what would be his job? I think we call them "criminals".

The present Colombian government has hitched "their" stars to the USA Of A. Colombia's society, at its core, is corrupt, and that is incontrovertible. The USA Will have military in three different bases in Colombia. And those in power will certainly benefit financially. What does that matter here? The university students that I have talked with, with one exception, feel invaded.

The smart ones - the serious university students can enrich anyone's life. Some of them want to come to the U.S. in hope of finally working for the U.N. or other governmental organization or NGO so they can have power to change Colombia. Passion is intoxicating. And, combined with an ass that ought to be insured, it's all good.

Is it of interest to collectively understand how this shared history colors the values, culture and trustworthness of these beautiful creatures?

Bimbo Boy
09-20-09, 13:52
US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.

However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).

Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment? ... SchwmmFrom my experience (I have been both a student and a professor in one of the top 5 US scientific universities), the level of US universities is very uneven.

The top 10 are the best in the world, no contest. Then the level drops dramatically. One can get better and cheaper education in many other places in the world.
Colombia has a long academic tradition. It was the center of the Spanish Empire, with all the administration and civil servants.

Regards. B.B.

Manizales911
09-20-09, 16:29
US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.

However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).

Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?

It's because it's the best.

Just my observation, SchwmmI have been to my novia's niece's elementary school a couple dozen times to pick her up from school and can tell you first hand that you are correct that the grade schools are much,much better than here in the U.S. as my children here in the U.S. are not far removed from grade school. The facilities may be much older but they are neat as a pin and spotless and everything is much more organized and disciplined than here in the U.S.. The most striking thing to me is every kid has a smile on their face when they are in the classroom whereas the kids in the U.S. are half asleep and have pusses on their faces,a bunch of spoiled brats I'm afraid to say.

Golfinho
09-20-09, 18:54
The Colombian that I have experienced is a dichotomy and a sea of contridictions. The Colombians, without exception, that I know of have tremendous pride in their country and their particular geographic area. Yet, they want to leave in droves. My amiga copied me on an e-mail that she sent to a friend in Argentina. What stuck in my memory was the phrase: "I am happy that you were able to escape from Colombia." Yet, she boasts that Medellin has the most interesting culture, best universities, best people in all of the world.

Why would any of these beautiful young women want to leave Colombia? I assume there are all kinds of motives, especially given their inherent dislike of the yankees. Do we romanticize Colombia when we don't acknowledge Colombia's violent past, its present, and its foreseeable future. What is the hope for most young and beautiful Colombian girls? Find a young and handsome Colombian dude? And what would be his job? I think we call them "criminals".

The present Colombian government has hitched "their" stars to the USA Of A. Colombia's society, at its core, is corrupt, and that is incontrovertible. The USA Will have military in three different bases in Colombia. And those in power will certainly benefit financially. What does that matter here? The university students that I have talked with, with one exception, feel invaded.

The smart ones - the serious university students can enrich anyone's life. Some of them want to come to the U.S. in hope of finally working for the U.N. or other governmental organization or NGO so they can have power to change Colombia. Passion is intoxicating. And, combined with an ass that ought to be insured, it's all good.

Is it of interest to collectively understand how this shared history colors the values, culture and trustworthness of these beautiful creatures?No one leaves their native land if they're on the top of the heap. Our own Homeland was peopled by those who couldn't cut it in the country in which they were born. Even the Pilgrims: if they were around today they'd all be Mike Huckabee voters. Think about it; people move for a fresh chance or a better opportunity. Hold a winning hand and you stand pat.

Green Machine
09-21-09, 01:08
I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.

Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?

Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.

After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.

Thanks for the tips.

AddictedToWomen
09-21-09, 03:54
Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?

It's because it's the best.iirc the increase in foreign enrolment at the top US schools started increasing after the UK jacked up their prices for foreign students at their own public schools.

Oxford & Cambridge still have sufficient cachet to hold their against all comers but I believe that the otherwise top notch UK schools may have lost out to their US rivals.

I also, coincidentally, remember a ND professor tell me some years ago that the money most parents spent to send their offspring there was wasted: the reputation was much better than the education. I understand that ND is no Harvard, but its not some nameless state college either.

Oliver 0205
09-21-09, 09:42
I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.

Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?

Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.

After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.

Thanks for the tips.Best would be to check the site of the embassy of the country where you would like to go with her. There you can see for which countries they require a Visa or not.

But from experience I can tell you that Colombians need nearly for every country a Visa. Some are easy to get, some are not.

Golfinho
09-21-09, 19:09
I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.

Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?

Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.

After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.

Thanks for the tips.For whatever reasons, many countries require visas for Colombians. (Unlike Brazilians, as someone who travels around the world a bit, you probably knew this.) They can get into Brazil, argentina, Peru and a few others w/o visas. Some countries let them in with entry visas at the border. Go to Panama City with her, have a touristic visit and make the rounds of the Central American embassy Consulates to get visas. If nothing pans out, go to Peru, Argentina. Brazil. I believe that Chile also lets them in w/o a visa. Actually am doing this route myself.

Peter Fonda
09-21-09, 21:03
Anybody wants to be a wingman? From 24 to 30

Mel. Are you in Bogota?

Bango Cheito
09-21-09, 22:21
I recently fell for this gorgeous girl here, and am really good friends with her best friend. Her best friend was moving heaven and earth to get us together, but the girl went back with her ex bf, whom her friend can't stand (nobody in her circle can stand him, actually). She wrote her on her Facebook how happy she was that the two of them are back together again.

Same thing, your friend saying I'm glad you finally escaped. It's not from the bottom of the heart, it's just simple politeness. Colombians value politeness almost to a fault at times. You have to take comments like that with a grain of salt, like I said previously.

AddictedToWomen
09-24-09, 07:56
Colombians value politeness almost to a fault at times. You're clearly not brushing up against the hijos de putas that I seem to with seemingly increasing regularity.

Bango Cheito
09-25-09, 00:03
Could have something to do with coming here from NYC instead. :P And being in Bogota and not in some provincial city.

FoxesHunter
09-26-09, 17:25
Hi,

I'd like to know your opinion between Brazilian and Colombian girls.

What are hotter? What is more expensive for sex?

Thanks

Hioctane
09-27-09, 03:38
Hi,

I'd like to know your opinion between Brazilian and Colombian girls.

What are hotter? What is more expensive for sex?

ThanksMy next trip is probably to Brazil. If been doing a lot of research and talking to other mongers..

Here's what they tell me. Brazilians have better bodies but Colombians have better faces. Anywhere near water the women are going to be darker. Medellin Colombia probably has the fairest skin women.

Prices are comparable if you venture into Centro in Brazil (I hear mixed things about the safety). Otherwise the touristy places are more expensive.

One thing that stands out about Brazil is that they have FS bath houses that pamper you.

Doc Bill
09-27-09, 05:55
Those damn Colombian mosquitos are just like their women. They sting the heck out of you and keep biting long after you´re gone!

I'm covered with (all sorts of) bites!

Hioctane
09-27-09, 16:24
Those damn Colombian mosquitos are just like their women. They sting the heck out of you and keep biting long after you´re gone!

I'm covered with (all sorts of) bites!Maybe that's why everyone wears long pants! I've been here twice and haven't gotten bitten once yet. It might be because I'm from the States where the mosquitos are crazy strong and I'm resistant!

Bologna
09-27-09, 16:55
You're clearly not brushing up against the hijos de putas that I seem to with seemingly increasing regularity.Also, try waiting for something in a situation where a line forms, not in a formal place like a bank or hotel, but in the open free world and the custom seems to be whoever can push their way to the front and be the most demanding is "the next in line".

John Gault
09-29-09, 14:46
Spirit in Nov. starts service to Armenia. the last post is over a year old. Does anyone have any info on this location? I hear the weather is great there and since MDE is getting more risky, I wonder if this could be virgin territory? LOL

Av8r
10-02-09, 22:47
I'd like to visit other places like San Andres or Cartagena on my next trip, but don't want to drive up to MDE. I can't seem to find any info for flying out of Olaya Herrera. I found the Aires airline site, but they seem to have no flights going anywhere. Any info would help. My first choice is San Andres. I'd love to do some scuba diving there.

SlamCity7777
10-03-09, 11:32
My next trip is probably to Brazil. If been doing a lot of research and talking to other mongers..

Here's what they tell me. Brazilians have better bodies but Colombians have better faces. Anywhere near water the women are going to be darker. Medellin Colombia probably has the fairest skin women.

Prices are comparable if you venture into Centro in Brazil (I hear mixed things about the safety). Otherwise the touristy places are more expensive.

One thing that stands out about Brazil is that they have FS bath houses that pamper you.IMO

Colombian gilrs hands down, prettier, better bodies(over all), better attitudes.

Brazilian girls seems to have a high ratio of butter faces.

Blourghus
10-03-09, 18:05
Spirit in Nov. starts service to Armenia. the last post is over a year old. Does anyone have any info on this location? I hear the weather is great there and since MDE is getting more risky, I wonder if this could be virgin territory? LOLArmenia has, in my opinion, the most beautiful girls in the country. However, the mongering there is not that good. There are about 3-4 pretty good bars/strip-clubs, but in my opinion the girls in the bars are pretty rough, they don't look like the "nice girls" who you see at the public. Of course, there are a few good ones, but nothing at all like bars in Medellin.

But, the two towns close to Armenia, which do have stellar mongering scenes are Pereira and Manizales. Both of these cities have someone of most beautiful women in the country (Pereira's reputation is nothing short of absolutely legendary). There are many great bars in both of the cities. In Pereira: Flores Frescas, Star Club, La Whiskeria. In Manizales: Oasis, Sammy, Joy, & Banana's.

You don't need to fly to any of these places. Manizales is 4 hour bus ride from Medellin (or, Armenia 4 hours from Cali), and all of these cities are 1 hour apart from each other by bus. I personally prefer Bogota (esp. Santa Fe) to any of these places including Medellin, but I absolutely love the whole Coffee Axis region also.

AddictedToWomen
10-03-09, 20:34
I'd like to visit other places like San Andres or Cartagena on my next trip, but don't want to drive up to MDE. I can't seem to find any info for flying out of Olaya Herrera. I found the Aires airline site, but they seem to have no flights going anywhere. Any info would help. My first choice is San Andres. I'd love to do some scuba diving there.No one here use google anymore?

Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaya_Herrera_Airport#Scheduled_services

Mr Varna
10-03-09, 23:28
I warned him but as soon as his volatile company assets shrunk and dissapeared in the states, she left him quicker than quick. This is most common scenario. So what I'm saying for those of you who really want to keep one, don't look 4 her at the mansion, try other places.Have a nice happy mongering weekend

We are all in the same boat in my opinion. The girls split when we go broke and we split when they go fat... So how to avoid someone splitting? make sure you never go broke. Dont overborrow, take it slow and in the long run you will be fine. For the woman, never go fat.

Bango Cheito
10-03-09, 23:51
To me, Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil have the most beautiful girls in the world, in about that order. Colombia has an amazing variety not just of physical types but of mentalities as well, there's something here for everybody, IF you know where to look.

Colombia and Brazil are both great for mongering, Brazil probably has a slight edge as far as how things are set up. Prices are pretty similar, depending on currency fluctuations etc.

I think in both countries people vastly overestimate how easy it is to pick up a non-pro, however. I'm doing OK here but by no means am I drowning in pussy. The bar is set EXTREMELY high for competition here, and despite what the peanut gallery says, the truly cream of the group drop dead gorgeous girls don't really give two shits how much money you have. You have to be super smooth in conversation (in SPANISH of course), depending on the girl you have to be extremely good looking, a great dancer, etc.

Av8r
10-04-09, 03:32
Of course I tried that first, but if you take the time to look through the link, you'll find there are no actual flights to San Andres displayed.

I was hoping for some inside info rather than simple google searches.

Hanskanns
10-04-09, 14:40
Pues, since routes change very often, I would neither rely on wikipedia nor most probably outdated info.

Why not check with the airlines directly, as far as I remember, you'll be unable to book tix online from EOH with Satena (generally) and EasyFly (only Colombian/ some South American CC accepted).

Ricker
10-05-09, 15:45
IMO

Colombian gilrs hands down, prettier, better bodies(over all), better attitudes.

Brazilian girls seems to have a high ratio of butter faces.Though I have to agree that IMO las Colombianas win overall for the prettier faces, the Brasilieras win hands down in the last 2 categories, better bodies and attitudes.

Mr Varna
10-05-09, 22:13
I want to go to Colombia, stay at a nice beach and meet some nice looking girls, dont care if they like me for money or not (I will pay). But where should i go? were is the nicest beach with the least crime? It would save me from having to go around myself to find out. I can afford to hire an armed body guard, but would that just draw more attention to me and end up kicking myself in the back after or would it be smart?

Thanks in advance.

Hog Dog
10-05-09, 22:44
IMO

Colombian gilrs hands down, prettier, better bodies(over all), better attitudes.

Brazilian girls seems to have a high ratio of butter faces.Forgive my ignorance, but what the H*LL is a "butter face"? (Haven't ever heard that term before)

Manizales911
10-06-09, 13:33
Forgive my ignorance, but what the H*LL is a "butter face"? (Haven't ever heard that term before)Everything about her was hot "But Her Face".

Max Mojo
10-06-09, 13:47
Great body, but her face! Hence butter face

Calizum
10-06-09, 18:21
Forgive my ignorance, but what the H*LL is a "butter face"? (Haven't ever heard that term before)Everything looks good but her face, and thats old like decades old.

Bango Cheito
10-06-09, 18:42
Beaches and mongering in Colombia don't mix very well. All the decent beaches are in real remote areas. You'd have to find your girl in the city and then take her there. And they'd have to trust you enough to go.

Butterface. Nice body, but her Face.

Hioctane
10-07-09, 05:51
I want to go to Colombia, stay at a nice beach and meet some nice looking girls, dont care if they like me for money or not (I will pay). But where should i go? were is the nicest beach with the least crime? It would save me from having to go around myself to find out. I can afford to hire an armed body guard, but would that just draw more attention to me and end up kicking myself in the back after or would it be smart?

Thanks in advance.If you must have a beach, your best bet is Cartegena. Prices will of course be more expensive because of all the tourists.

Fabone
10-07-09, 14:06
If you must have a beach, your best bet is Cartegena. Prices will of course be more expensive because of all the tourists.Spot on.

The Hollywood Beach area there near Laguito & Boca Brande is fine for meeting chicas.

Beware of Tony & the like but you can have a nice time in that area even doing business with those guys if you keep them in check.

And to Bango's point, if you find a girl that you like, take her out to one of the islands one morning... some of those beaches are great!

John Gault
10-07-09, 16:32
I want to go to Colombia, stay at a nice beach and meet some nice looking girls, dont care if they like me for money or not (I will pay). But where should i go? were is the nicest beach with the least crime? It would save me from having to go around myself to find out. I can afford to hire an armed body guard, but would that just draw more attention to me and end up kicking myself in the back after or would it be smart?

Thanks in advance.Santa Marta has some pretty nice beaches in the area with calm and pretty clear water. Also if as you who seem to have deep pockets then go to Flamingos. expensive, but some very hot chica's to be had.

Gonzo
10-10-09, 18:37
I was in MDE in September and talked to Tom33. I assure you he is fine. He'll be back. I ended up living with some mutual chica friends, and that was an interesting experience, to say the least.


Does anyone know what has happened to member Tom 33?. He has posted alot of quality information, but has not posted now in a long time.

I hope he is alright.

David Smash
10-12-09, 01:05
Where would be a good place to stay for a first time visitor who has been to MDE and speak SOME spanish?

Daves Pison
10-12-09, 19:36
Very nice hostal to stay in the center of the action 2 blocks from parke lleras you got all the bars clubs I have stayed here everytime I visit Medellin you deal with with the owner brian cool guy.


Where would be a good place to stay for a first time visitor who has been to MDE and speak SOME spanish?

Oh Ya Papi
10-22-09, 06:04
man this sucks.


colombia dollar sales in market finished for year, zuluaga says

by alexander cuadros and andrea jaramillo

oct. 16 (bloomberg) -- colombia’s government will refrain from selling dollars in the market for the rest of the year and the central bank may take steps to stem the peso’s rally, finance minister oscar ivan zuluaga said.

the government will leave about $500 million in dividends from state oil company ecopetrol sa abroad and sell an equal amount of peso bonds locally to compensate for the deferred revenue, zuluaga told reporters in bogota yesterday after meeting with president alvaro uribe and central bank board members to discuss the peso.

the colombian currency has risen 28 percent against the u.s. dollar in the past six months, the second-most among 171 currencies tracked by bloomberg after the seychelles rupee. the peso rally “is fundamentally due to expectations of government sale of dollars this year,” zuluaga said.

uribe earlier this week urged the central bank to find a “solution” to the gains in the peso, which he said has caused exporters to cut jobs as they get less local currency for goods sold abroad such as flowers and coffee.

zuluaga, who is also president of the central bank’s board, said banco de la republica may take measures to ease the peso’s rally when policy makers next meet on oct. 23.

strong foreign direct investment flows have caused the peso to rally, according to alberto bernal, head of emerging markets research at bulltick securities corp. in miami.

mining investments

foreign direct investment in the mining industry more than doubled in the first half of the year to $1.72 billion from $817 million in the same period a year ago, the central bank said last month. foreign investment fell 10 percent in the first six months of the year to $4.9 billion from $5.4 billion a year earlier, the report said.

“colombia is a victim of its own success,” said bernal. “uribe’s policies are market friendly unlike that of some of his neighbors, making it attractive for foreign investment.”

measures the central bank may take to weaken the peso include buying dollars in the foreign-exchange market, lowering reserve requirements and buying back peso bonds, known as tes, nick chamie, head of emerging markets research at rbc capital markets, wrote in a note yesterday.

when asked about capital controls, zuluaga said that dollars coming into colombia are long-term flows associated with foreign direct investment and not short-term portfolio investments.

reduced incentives

in a bid to stem a rally in the peso in 2007, the central bank ordered companies and investors taking loans abroad to deposit 40 percent of the funds in the central bank for six months to reduce the incentive to bring in short-term capital. the finance ministry in 2007 imposed deposit requirements on new portfolio investment in the country, such as the purchase of bonds and stocks. the capital controls were abolished last year.

the central bank may also lower interest rates a half percentage point to 3.5 percent in its next meeting, according to bernal. policy makers last cut the benchmark overnight lending rate a half-percentage point to 4 percent on sept. 25, a move aimed in part at stemming the peso’s advance.

“inflation is low and given slow growth, there is room for more cuts,” said bernal. “that would help calm expectations of a further strengthening of the peso.”

Artisttyp
11-06-09, 03:29
I was curious to know how quickly things get back to "mongering" normal in Colombia after the holidays? Some places are just a no go during the holidays.

I am looking into going somewhere from the 5 of jan until the end of the month.

Cali came to mind again. Hopefully my back won't go out this time.

Thanks for the tips.

Artisttyp

Bango Cheito
11-06-09, 21:48
Bog really doesn't get back on its feet again till February. The rest of the country is fine by Jan 10 or so. Many places are better during the holidays, Cali, Manizales, Popayan and Pasto all have celebrations that draw people during that time. Pasto's Carnival is from the 2-7 this year and the Feria De Manizales es from the 2-10. CTG is popping that time of year but also expensive.

Artisttyp
11-11-09, 21:16
I was curious to know if anyone has done MDE to Cali by bus and can somebody refer me to a bus company with executive class seating ? I would be happy to pay whatever it costs.

*A bathroom on board is a must have for me.

Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?


Also can anyone tell me if there is a "centro" in cali like in medellin ? I am asking this in hopes of locating economic hotels. In medellin's centro you can walk around and find several of these hotels.

* Does somebody not recommend staying in economic hotels in cali due to extreme heat and the need for a good AC ? What are you thoughts ?


Thank you for your time.

Artisttyp

Justafool
11-12-09, 17:02
But I have never seen "first class" bus sevices. I think it is teminal Sur, and all the buses are the same. Quite comfortable with a small bathroom for all to use but at times it was locked.

The seats are comfortable and they do show a DVD (so if you want to hand one over they and ask them to play it for you.

There are afew compaies Boliviana comes to mind. I am not sure which I rode to Cali but I have used to others for Buga and surrounding areas.

I usually take the last bus out about 10:30 so I can arrive and enjoy the day but this has backfired at times when the bus was stuck in some mountain due to a mudslide or something.

Sit back enjoy!


I was curious to know if anyone has done MDE to Cali by bus and can somebody refer me to a bus company with executive class seating ? I would be happy to pay whatever it costs.

*A bathroom on board is a must have for me.

Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?

Thank you for your time.

Artisttyp

Blourghus
11-13-09, 02:27
Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?I have done the whole thing by bus, but in segments, i.e. Cali->Armenia, Manizales->Medellin.

Smack dab in the middle of Medellin and Cali is the Eje Cafetera with the three departments of Risalrada (Pereira), Qundio (Armenia), and Caldas (Manizales). Definitely highly worth spending some time in.

This is one of the most beautiful areas in the world with gorgeous and stunning green mountains and rolling coffee fields. Incredible weather. Manizales is a very photogenic city, very quaint, hilly little streets, colorful buildings, just gorgeous, VERY FRIENDLY PEOPLE. Great place to take photos. It is a very cool city.

Highly recommend you check out the National Coffee Park (near Armenia) - very beautiful place and a great place to take photos. One of the top tourist attractions in the country. Pereira is perhaps the least interesting of the three cities, although you have plenty of cool stuff nearby (such as bungee jumping of the very cool bridge in town, or skydiving over coffee fields, Santa Rosa de Cabal - hot springs). Tons of cool little traditional towns ('pueblos paisas') which attract tourists on weekends.

For mongering, Pereira is amazing (and has some of the sexiest women in Colombia - this is where Sin Tetas No Hay Paraiso comes from), also Manizales is great. Armenia not so much at least IMHO (but has very beautiful women!!).

IMHO, this is whole area is more interesting and much more beautiful than Cali or Medellin.

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Artisttyp
11-14-09, 03:30
Blourghus,

This is an excellent response. Thank you so much.

Can you tell me if atm's are readily available in each of those towns?

I'd like to see Cali before I decide where to go next. I was thinking of hitting a few towns on the way back to Medellin.

I assume 1 or 2 days in each town is sufficient?

Thanks Again,

Artisttyp

Manizales911
11-15-09, 01:50
Blourghus,

This is an excellent response. Thank you so much.

Can you tell me if atm's are readily available in each of those towns?

I'd like to see Cali before I decide where to go next. I was thinking of hitting a few towns on the way back to Medellin.

I assume 1 or 2 days in each town is sufficient?

Thanks Again,

ArtisttypATM's are readily available in all of these towns,I probably don't have to tell you this but as a fellow monger it is my duty,watch your back while using ATM's and don't use them at night.

I am planning on being in Manizales from December until March with the exception of a week or two back in the states so if you decide to go through there hit me up.

Midwest
11-15-09, 04:53
I thought i'd share this 11/10/09 travel warning from US Dept. of state:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html

Still plenty of oppurtunity for a good time. just have to stay alert at ALL times. stakes are too high for complacency.


ATM's are readily available in all of these towns,I probably don't have to tell you this but as a fellow monger it is my duty,watch your back while using ATM's and don't use them at night.

FoxesHunter
11-15-09, 11:46
IMHO, this is whole area is more interesting and much more beautiful than Cali or Medellin.Hi,

You are confirming what I have always thought. I know Colombia is a wonderful country and the best land is Cafetera Area. But never I have gone there because I have always read very few news about it. Now I am again more demoralized because I am reading these wonderful lines without any indication about fucking.

FoxesHunter
11-15-09, 11:50
IMHO, this is whole area is more interesting and much more beautiful than Cali or Medellin.Hi,

You are confirming what I have always thought. I know Colombia is a wonderful country and the best land is Cafetera Area. But never I have gone there because I have always read very few news about it. Now I am again more demoralized because I am reading these wonderful lines without any indication about fucking.

Member #3435
11-15-09, 19:47
I was curious to know if anyone has done MDE to Cali by bus and can somebody refer me to a bus company with executive class seating ? I would be happy to pay whatever it costs.

*A bathroom on board is a must have for me.

Are there any towns along the way worth a stay over as far as mongering or photography is concerned ?


Also can anyone tell me if there is a "centro" in cali like in medellin ? I am asking this in hopes of locating economic hotels. In medellin's centro you can walk around and find several of these hotels.

* Does somebody not recommend staying in economic hotels in cali due to extreme heat and the need for a good AC ? What are you thoughts ?

Thank you for your time.

ArtisttypI don't mean to rain on anyone's parade as there has been a lot of good info put out here but just let me put this out there for the record.

Allthough most of the country side has been pacified and the road system is secure and I know Robert & Aussie Greg and thousands of others travel these roads routinely parts of the Department of El Valle are still hot. In particular. And I know you're not interested in this leg. The corredor from Cali to Buenaventura would be extremely foolish to travel overland, IMO.

News reports come out from time to time of skimishes between the Army & the FARC from various parts of El Valle, including the northern part.

I've done the tour of the Eje Cafetero. Armenia, Pereira, Manizales and can attest that this IS secure but they are only about 60 70 kms apart so the stretches are much shorter.

I also think although I've never done it, that the roads between Medellin and el Eje Cafetero are secure. I'ts when you start venturing into El Valle that I would get extra cautious.

Just my two cents and for the record.

Schwmm

Golfinho
11-16-09, 19:52
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade as there has been a lot of good info put out here but just let me put this out there for the record.

Allthough most of the country side has been pacified and the road system is secure and I know Robert & Aussie Greg and thousands of others travel these roads routinely parts of the Department of El Valle are still hot. In particular. And I know you're not interested in this leg. The corredor from Cali to Buenaventura would be extremely foolish to travel overland, IMO.

News reports come out from time to time of skimishes between the Army & the FARC from various parts of El Valle, including the northern part.

I've done the tour of the Eje Cafetero. Armenia, Pereira, Manizales and can attest that this IS secure but they are only about 60 70 kms apart so the stretches are much shorter.

I also think although I've never done it, that the roads between Medellin and el Eje Cafetero are secure. I'ts when you start venturing into El Valle that I would get extra cautious.

Just my two cents and for the record.

SchwmmI rented a car at the airport in Medellin and drove to Manizales, Periera, Armenia, and many smaller cities, pueblitos, and termales all last week. Verdict: SAFE. and my spanish isn't that great. Doing it again, I'd definitely get the GPS though. for 11.000 pesos per day with Localiza. The countryside south from Pintada to Pereira is some of the most beautiful I've ever seen (been to 60 countries) equal to world's finest. HIghly recommended, just need patience with the slow trucks on the mountains, hills and curves. And it is a toll road. Also drove around Cali last summer, main roads only and within about an hour of the city. Plan to go from Cali to Pasto next time,

Artisttyp
11-16-09, 21:17
Hi,

You are confirming what I have always thought. I know Colombia is a wonderful country and the best land is Cafetera Area. But never I have gone there because I have always read very few news about it. Now I am again more demoralized because I am reading these wonderful lines without any indication about fucking.I think everybody has contributed something of value. As far as "fucking" is concerned my guess is periera would be the best bet. Why? From what I've read it seems to be more of a city than armenia and manizales. Meaning that it attracts more of a business crowd. The other areas thread seems to agree with this. One post that stuck out to me was a member mentioning something like "go to the centro and you will see them all over". IMHO this is a good sign. The other towns seem to need a cab driver or someone to direct you to the right places.

Also worth mentioning is periera is very close to both armenia and manizales which makes it a good base for day trips to those towns. If I like what I see somewhere else I might stay there. These days I never limit myself to little "quaint" towns. I usually only last a few hours.

This is all speculatiing. If I am wrong or if anyone else can add something feel free.

Just going 30 minutes out of Medellin was a huge change. Usually the MDE trips I take are hardcore monger trips. I'd like to get a little more out of it this next trip. What to do in the country side when there are cities full of cheap women. Catch 22!

Member #3435
11-17-09, 01:24
I rented a car at the airport in Medellin and drove to Manizales, Periera, Armenia, and many smaller cities, pueblitos, and termales all last week. Verdict: SAFE. and my spanish isn't that great. Doing it again, I'd definitely get the GPS though. for 11.000 pesos per day with Localiza. The countryside south from Pintada to Pereira is some of the most beautiful I've ever seen (been to 60 countries) equal to world's finest. HIghly recommended, just need patience with the slow trucks on the mountains, hills and curves. And it is a toll road. Also drove around Cali last summer, main roads only and within about an hour of the city. Plan to go from Cali to Pasto next time,Very good to hear.

Regarding driving from Cali to Pasto: For me, no way. The departments of Cauca, Narino y Putumayo are constantly in the news as hot spots.

You'll probably make and I'm sure you'll have a great time but, IMO, why risk it?

Despite the great strides made in the Uribe era, some areas of Colombia are still "fly in. Fly out only" zones IMO.

All the best, Schwmm

AddictedToWomen
11-17-09, 21:09
Despite the great strides made in the Uribe era, some areas of Colombia are still "fly in. Fly out only" zones IMO.

All the best, SchwmmYep. "A country of islands accessible only by plane", as a friend once described it to me.

Member #4349
11-18-09, 12:48
I'd rather my passport wasn't stamped with CTG airport entry and exit stamps.... you know for, ahem, personal reasons.

Is this possible?

Questner
11-18-09, 19:04
I'm planning 2 weeks trip to Colombia: 1-2 days in Bogota only if necessary and the rest split between Cartagena and Medellin. How do I optimize where to fly into from YYZ (MDE, BOG or CTG) and the order of the cities? Which local flight to take? Should I buy local flights in Colombia or before the trip?

Please add your suggestions.

Caballero Oscuro
11-19-09, 05:30
I'm planning 2 weeks trip to Colombia: 1-2 days in Bogota only if necessary and the rest split between Cartagena and Medellin. How do I optimize where to fly into from YYZ (MDE, BOG or CTG) and the order of the cities? Which local flight to take? Should I buy local flights in Colombia or before the trip?

Please add your suggestions.BOG is great to use as a hub. You can reach every city in the country from there. Try Aires me and my buddies recently used them for a round trip MDE to CTG. They were very reasonably priced and had excellent service.

AddictedToWomen
11-19-09, 15:14
I'd rather my passport wasn't stamped with CTG airport entry and exit stamps.... you know for, ahem, personal reasons.

Is this possible?Enter through another port and fly internally.

Member #3435
11-22-09, 18:32
The below article relates to a discussion a few posts back of overland security in some places of Colombia, particularly the southwest. It is pasted form the Latin America Herald Tribune. It was all over the Colombian news reports on Fri & Saturday.

I post it just to illustrate the type of attack that can happen in some parts of the country that, IMO, would be foolish or at least not worth the risk to travel overland. This is just one example. I't not an isolated incident.


Six Die as Colombian Rebels Set Bus on Fire

BOGOTA – Six people were killed Friday when leftist FARC rebels waylaid and burned a bus in the southwestern Colombian province of Nariño, a regional official told Efe.

“We know about four adults and two children who burned to death,” provincial government secretary Fabio Trujillo said, adding that the death toll could turn out to be higher.

The incident took place on the road linking Pasto, the provincial capital, and the Pacific port of Tumaco.

Citing witness accounts, Trujillo said the driver of the first bus to pass the spot where the rebels were laying in wait sped past despite the shots fired by the guerrillas.

When the driver of the next bus to come along did pull over, the rebels set the vehicle ablaze without first ensuring that all of the passengers were safely out, witnesses told authorities.

Trujillo said the attack was mounted by “guerrillas from the Mariscal Sucre column of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (known as the FARC) that operate in that region.”

Police and soldiers subsequently engaged the rebels who took part in Friday’s assault, Trujillo told Efe by telephone from Pasto.

Nariño, which borders Ecuador, is plagued by strife involving the FARC, Colombian security forces, right-wing militias and common criminals engaged in smuggling.

The FARC has battled a succession of Colombian governments since 1964. Once numbering as many as 20,000, the FARC is now thought to have around 9,000 combatants. EFE

Daves Pison
11-22-09, 23:48
Check the Chicago times the city's has gone a 75% murder rate increase in the last 4 years drugs crimes we have it in USA so don't be a fool and get the facts straight we have as much in our cities komo to overtown in miami and see how long you last.


The below article relates to a discussion a few posts back of overland security in some places of Colombia, particularly the southwest. It is pasted form the Latin America Herald Tribune. It was all over the Colombian news reports on Fri & Saturday.

I post it just to illustrate the type of attack that can happen in some parts of the country that, IMO, would be foolish or at least not worth the risk to travel overland. This is just one example. I't not an isolated incident.

Member #3435
11-23-09, 14:58
Check the Chicago times the city's has gone a 75% murder rate increase in the last 4 years drugs crimes we have it in USA so don't be a fool and get the facts straight we have as much in our cities komo to overtown in miami and see how long you last.I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?

The facts are published in multiple press sources.

Daves Pison
11-23-09, 19:55
Let's no tend to believe the press man they're just relly on trash reports just to have negative vibe o control on the public


I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?

The facts are published in multiple press sources.

Chris Bigdog
11-24-09, 04:27
Thank you so much guys!

Have always been very impressed with the thoughtful and well described adventures on this board

Would you mind comparing Medellin Mansion vs. Cali Castle for me and others?

I've been to the mansion, but not to Cali, but was somewhat disappointed that no one in Medellin spoke any english, at all.

At the mansion, bc the girls spoke so little english, the conversations even among the mongers were mostly in Spanish...

Is Cali any better?

Thanks so much!

Daves Pison
11-25-09, 14:18
Where do you think you are.?

Come on put your feet on the ground you visited Colombia learn some spanish ohhh. And this is not thoughtful.

Mayority of gringos showing up in Medellin they think they're visiting an american city everyone is going to be with open arms speaking your native tongue wrong wrong by the way Cali is worse don't even come here to many walmart gringos hanging in the wrong spots or sicarios would be looking for the gringo that cannot speak a word in spanish to get some cash. People like you should stay away from Colombia you give us a bad rap. And also colombianas don't wanna talk to you they just see dollar signs on your forehead. If your honestly wanna monger in Colombia or any other south american country you should put an effort to lear the country's native tongue if you wanna get laid the real way learn the native tongue. Mongers like you just show up in Colombia and paid most of the girl higher prices you are killing us man get some common sense instead of complaining about nobody speaks english in Medellin you should learn the native tongue you're not in USA my brother different rules applied to inmigrants from the north in Colombia. Hopefully you take this as a learning advised

Love paisas to the end


Thank you so much guys!

Have always been very impressed with the thoughtful and well described adventures on this board

Would you mind comparing Medellin Mansion vs. Cali Castle for me and others?

I've been to the mansion, but not to Cali, but was somewhat disappointed that no one in Medellin spoke any english, at all.

At the mansion, bc the girls spoke so little english, the conversations even among the mongers were mostly in Spanish.

Is Cali any better?

Thanks so much!

Rainman3
11-25-09, 17:38
Thank you so much guys!

Have always been very impressed with the thoughtful and well described adventures on this board

Would you mind comparing Medellin Mansion vs. Cali Castle for me and others?

I've been to the mansion, but not to Cali, but was somewhat disappointed that no one in Medellin spoke any english, at all.

At the mansion, bc the girls spoke so little english, the conversations even among the mongers were mostly in Spanish...

Is Cali any better?

Thanks so much!Chris,

Colombia is not Costa Rica!

If you are going to travel here and have any real chance of connecting with the locals you are going to have to do your homework and put in the time and effort to learn Spanish. Once you do you will have much more fun on your trips anywhere in Latin America and be able to get around with much more independence.
Learning Spanish is a gift that you give to yourself and it is one that you will never regret. It is also a show of respect to the locals that you took the time and effort to learn some of their language.

If I had it my way every gringo whose Spanish was limited to ; hola, cerveza, bano and cuanto cuesta would be forbid entrance.

Either get to studying or resign yourself to trips to CR and Cozumel.

I have just never understood the guys who felt that they could travel to places like Colombia without having a basic grasp of the language.

And this is coming from a "good ole southern boy" who is still working on his English. LOL!

Not flaming you hermano but Colombia is Colombia !

Legal Tender
11-25-09, 19:49
Where do you think you are.?

Come on put your feet on the ground you visited Colombia learn some spanish ohhh. And this is not thoughtful.

Mayority of gringos showing up in Medellin they think they're visiting an american city everyone is going to be with open arms speaking your native tongue wrong wrong by the way Cali is worse don't even come here to many walmart gringos hanging in the wrong spots or sicarios would be looking for the gringo that cannot speak a word in spanish to get some cash. People like you should stay away from Colombia you give us a bad rap. And also colombianas don't wanna talk to you they just see dollar signs on your forehead. If your honestly wanna monger in Colombia or any other south american country you should put an effort to lear the country's native tongue if you wanna get laid the real way learn the native tongue. Mongers like you just show up in Colombia and paid most of the girl higher prices you are killing us man get some common sense instead of complaining about nobody speaks english in Medellin you should learn the native tongue you're not in USA my brother different rules applied to inmigrants from the north in Colombia. Hopefully you take this as a learning advised

Love paisas to the endThe logic is a little contorted, but I get the point: gringos that don't speak Spanish pay more, and that is adversely affecting those who do speak Spanish. We still go by the rule of supply and demand, regardless of the language or country. Those who don't know the language pay more. More importantly, if you don't speak the language you can watch the party. If you speak the language, you can be in the party.

Medellin is beautiful in so many respects. Go there, and if you at least attempt to learn and speak a little Spanish you will be rewarded. In any event, only good energy!

Davekphp
11-26-09, 15:36
Hello,

I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 i have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also i am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.

Manizales911
11-26-09, 16:06
Hello,

I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.Because it is your first trip and can't compare it to another trip in which you COULD speak spanish it will appear to you that it didn't affect it much as you will still have a blast as long as you RTFF and follow the advise given. That said, knowing spanish will enhance your mongering game tenfold at least. I first went to Colombia without any spanish skills and when I got back I studied spanish pretty much every day since and still do as I am a slow learner when it comes to language. I am at probably intermediate level now and it makes a HUGE difference. I would strongly recommend that you hire a guide or stay at the Medellin Mansion or Parcero's place and the Bogota VIP Hotel for your first trip. Have fun.

Dealdo
11-26-09, 18:33
Hello,

I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.Dude, you will be fine, But you will miss the best of all. Speaking the language opens a wide door into the local party action and interactive relation. You will be able to go to the "prives" they will try to communicate to make business some of then are Bilingual check on the LIST, you can go aesy to restaurants also speak to the bar tenders at the clubs, and probably pick a girl up who speaks English, there are some just like anywhere else but most of them don't want to learn it or they consider it a very hard language to learn. Since Medellin is not a very tourist spot until lately, People still rooted to their provincial life, They have a beautiful language, plenty of good music, literature etc in their own language, So this will take time for them to feel they need bad to learn English, girls kind of force the gringos to learn their language if they want a piece of that nooky.

I can't recommend any English speaker driver because all I know can say a word, but the list is full of them.

So good luck and if you have time to learn something start practicing.

BayBoy
11-26-09, 18:34
To Dave,

Please, please take a Spanish class before you come to Colombia. There is very little English spoken in Medellin and Bogota.

If you stayed in Poblado in Medellin or the Zona Rosa in Bogota you could probably get by. But if you go beyond those areas, there's no mucho Ingles hablado.

Check the drivers list on WT69 for Ingles speakers.

Out

Midwest
11-27-09, 01:04
If you haven't already, subscribe, (it's only 20 bucks). You can get a good feel of what's out there by viewing the pics. Also, I've gotten & given great info thru pm'ing when discretion is in order for all concerned.

And/or

Rtff for English speaking drivers that have been recommended by members with more than a 1 or 2 posts to avoid self-promoters disguised as mongers.

And/or

Just book a room at the mansion.

They have everything you need there. I stayed there on my 1st trip. Greg is a good guy. Not once, but twice, I was short on c. O. P. (like a dumbass) late at night & greg loaned me some pesos til the next day when I can convert USA d. To c. O. P.

I think he sets the tone at the mansion: everybody from the staff to other mongers staying there are friendly & willing to help.

Hope this helps.





Hello,

I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 i have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also i am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.

Furysys
11-27-09, 03:18
Will be in Medellin starting tomorrow for the next couple of weeks. I usually hang out at Cafe Le Bon in Poblado, and will be spending mornings in a spanish immersion course, for the first week anyway. Anybody around, please say Hi, I am usually reading Portifolio, with a dictionary, to improve my rather shaky hold on espanol.

TweedleD
11-27-09, 09:06
No Spanish muy grande problema. Stay at the mansion they'll take care of you. Read the forum there are listings of english speaking drivers, not many though, Get a phrase book and study a bit, you will have fun.

Davekphp
11-27-09, 14:46
Have just watched a doco on "Scopolamine" (http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2). Apparently it is used by hookers in Colombia to drug their clients. It is derived from a plant and puts the victim in a chemicially induced hypnotic state, and leaves them open to suggestion. The willing victim then hands over all their shit and in the morning has no recollection of it happening. Sound pretty fucked up, has anyone else heard of it or fell victim to it(is this common)?. Also was very intersting doco worth checking it out.

AddictedToWomen
11-27-09, 14:54
I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?

The facts are published in multiple press sources.Unfortunately there's little point in trying to convince some people of the reality of Colombia. Or evolution.

For some all of Colombia is excessivly dangerous. For others there's no part that too dangerous.

Just let them live, and die, in ignorance.

AddictedToWomen
11-27-09, 15:08
Hello,

I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and Bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.Can't speak to Medellin but you can get by in Bogotá without Spanish, but there's no doubt you will be handicapped a bit, but not enough that you'll realise it.

Seek out the wonderful Tatiana who, besides delivering the best blowjob in Bogota, understands/speaks just enough English to make you feel comfortable. PM me for her cell. (She still refuses to pay me commission would you believe?!)

Member #3435
11-28-09, 03:21
Unfortunately there's little point in trying to convince some people of the reality of Colombia. Or evolution.

For some all of Colombia is excessivly dangerous. For others there's no part that too dangerous.

Just let them live, and die, in ignorance.Very well said.

Manizales911
11-28-09, 03:40
Have just watched a doco on "Scopolamine" (http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2). Apparently it is used by hookers in Colombia to drug their clients. It is derived from a plant and puts the victim in a chemicially induced hypnotic state, and leaves them open to suggestion. The willing victim then hands over all their shit and in the morning has no recollection of it happening. Sound pretty fucked up, has anyone else heard of it or fell victim to it(is this common)?. Also was very intersting doco worth checking it out.The use of "Scope" in Colombia is well documented here and in other travel forums. Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try to avoid being a victim of its use doesn't belong here.

Davekphp
11-28-09, 14:00
The use of "Scope" in Colombia is well documented here and in other travel forums..Actually, I would say the opposite. I have been planning my trip to SA for the last 4 months and have spent sometimes 8 hours a day on ISG browsing through posts and not once have I seen any information on "scope". Also I dare say that there are other veteran members in ISG, that it is new to them too.


. Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try being a victim of its use doesn't belong here. If your opinion is based on that fact that someone aware of its use may be able to prevent being drugged, well according to this doco you are wrong. We all know not to leave your drink unattended(common sence), but this stuff can get you fucked up from being inhaled from a distance, let alone having a tiny pinch blown in your face(which is reported to have happened). My point being If this doco is accurate, is that there are virtually no preventable measures that are besides common sence, that will make you not fall victim. That is one of the reasons that it is such a dangerous drug. If you are in a club and you are being targeted, I would say yu wouldn't stand a chance educated about it or not.

Dealdo
11-28-09, 21:46
Yes well said. That Burundanga sht (like locals know that plant from LONG time ago) is a very dangerous drug. In another countries they just put a knife or a gun in you ribs and you may die easier.

Nobody is 100% save in this world. And if somebody is not aware that ALWAYS are risks flying away from their civilized town, then just stay at home watching TV and ordering pizza. Or Get in a cruise where they treat you like cattle or go to Paris and New York, spend a fortune in over pricing restaurants, take pictures of buildings and live long enough to be a bored sorry ass, for not being man enough to see the world.

Is just my personal opinion, nothing wrong on being happy the way you prefer, I just can't stand being in the tourist sack for more than an hour and I feel like that artificial and boring crap is not for me. I take risks I get deep in the sht sometimes, but boy I have tons of fun, even remembering my very bad experiences, no regrets so far.

I won't lie, Colombia is a very dangerous country, Mexico too, Venezuela and Brasil HELL YEAH, so you want to have fun you have to be ready to eventually have a real bad day, or just don't come and go visit your mama and daddy and play tourist, that way you can even buy Afghanistan and stuff.

En buena onda.

DeAldo

Manizales911
11-29-09, 01:39
Actually, I would say the opposite. I have been planning my trip to SA for the last 4 months and have spent sometimes 8 hours a day on ISG browsing through posts and not once have I seen any information on "scope". Also I dare say that there are other veteran members in ISG, that it is new to them too.

If your opinion is based on that fact that someone aware of its use may be able to prevent being drugged, well according to this doco you are wrong. We all know not to leave your drink unattended(common sence), but this stuff can get you fucked up from being inhaled from a distance, let alone having a tiny pinch blown in your face(which is reported to have happened). My point being If this doco is accurate, is that there are virtually no preventable measures that are besides common sence, that will make you not fall victim. That is one of the reasons that it is such a dangerous drug. If you are in a club and you are being targeted, I would say yu wouldn't stand a chance educated about it or not.Dave,

You could be correct that "scope" use isn't talked about on this site,I read and contribute to several forums and it is possible that what I have read about this drug has all come from elsewhere,I'm not sure. One site that I ASSURE you it has been discussed about ad nauseum is the travel site Poorbuthappy.

I never said knowing about "scope" could prevent you from getting drugged but knowing about it would help you TRY,key word Dave is TRY. I can tell you that I have been to Colombia enough times in the last three and a half years to fill my passport and then some and can't count how many times I have seen guys leave their drink unattended. It is more common for a guy to go to the pisser without his drink than with it,that is a fucking fact,just because something is common sense doesn't mean people do it. There are many things that I could say here to help you reduce your chances of getting drugged but it appears as though you are convinced that there isn't anything you can do about it,good luck.

Artisttyp
11-29-09, 06:32
I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.

Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you ? Something seems off.

What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.

Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?

By the way I don't do those drugs anymore. It's been a long time!

I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?

* I do believe in the drugging of victims with other drugs slipped into drinks.

It reminds me of the mexico city story with "knock out " drugs on SW's nipples. If the drug was already on the hooker's nipple SHE would have ingested it by means of skin penetration..true or false ?

La Pepa found in peru is something common but that is also slipped into a drink.

Can any VICTIMS comment on this ?

Oh Ya Papi
11-29-09, 22:15
Here's 2 videos for your answers, a great documentary, check it out.

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2


I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.

Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you ? Something seems off.

What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.

Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?

By the way I don't do those drugs anymore. It's been a long time!

I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?

* I do believe in the drugging of victims with other drugs slipped into drinks.

It reminds me of the mexico city story with "knock out " drugs on SW's nipples. If the drug was already on the hooker's nipple SHE would have ingested it by means of skin penetration..true or false ?

La Pepa found in peru is something common but that is also slipped into a drink.

Can any VICTIMS comment on this ?

Bango Cheito
11-30-09, 03:38
I haven't been hit myself but I personally know four people who HAVE been, in the past year alone. I assure you it's very real and not a bit exaggerated.

Phunluv
11-30-09, 09:31
The burundanga/scopolamine issue is a legit concern, but I suspect there's some hype and urban legend attached to all the mystery surrounding it.

The plant is grown near Bogota, so it's quite common in that area. That's why someone like Bango knows 4 people who were scammed with it, as I believe he lives in that city now.

I don't think it's as much a concern in MDE, CTG, or even Cali. As a tourist or monger, I'd be more worried in those cities about a run of the mill stick-up type robbery or paseo millonario. In those cities, just watch your drink as always. We all know that already anyway, when going out; not just in Colombia, and not just when we're mongering. Even in the states, people's drinks get "spiked. "

However, you should be extra careful with everything you drink and eat on your evenings out in Bogota. Never let it leave your sight, and be suspicious of what's offered to you from other people; yes, even trusted companions, as it's possible for them to unwittingly pass something on to you that's not safe. One guy from the pbh site got scoped from drinking some soup that was a freebie offered to everyone leaving a certain club at closing time. Guess who's soup had the special treat inside?

By the way, this advice applies in both the shadier venues downtown as well as the uptown clubs in the zona rosa despite the higher-class people in those venues.

The "blow-in-your-face" or "scope-on-tits" scams sound like urban legends to me, but I'm not completely sure.

Let's think this through together:

First of all, a hooker putting scope on her tits is obviously putting herself in danger FIRST, unless the effect is NOT transmitted easily through the skin, (unlike a more direct route through the tongue or mouth like when you're sucking on something, or eating, or drinking). So if the scope is not easily transmitted through the skin, then touching the powder that's left on a piece of paper or flyer, another common burundanga tale out there, would be urban legend.

Maybe scope-on-tits is feasible. As a precaution, shower with the girl right before the session, which is what I almost always do anyway wherever I travel (not just in Colombia). I much prefer a freshly showered girl for all the obvious sanitary reasons although I know it doesn't exactly equate into safer sex.

You can also just pour some of your favorite heavy booze on her boobs. The alcohol should wipe off any potential harmful substance and add some nice flavor to them.. Just make sure the booze is not hers, or was out of your sight at any time.

Speaking of booze, the most dangerous substance to a monger remains plain old alcohol. I know some guys simply can not monger sober, maybe it's a lingering guilt thing, or they just can't associate partying with being sober, but if you can avoid drinking excessively, that should reduce the chance of bad stuff happening by at least 80%.

As for the "blow-scope-in-your-face" attack, I can't think of a sure way to avoid such a thing so I can only hope it's just an urban legend. There's no sense in worrying over something like that, you'll just go crazy. Might as well then just stay home and jerk off.

However, just in case it is true, the following occurs to me. You should try doing one or all of the following:

1) duck your head and/or your entire body away from the powder

2) cover your mouth/nose

3) don't inhale deeply, try to exhale instead

4) run away! Call for help, but watch out for any possible accomplice nearby; these burundanga scams are usually done by groups, either professional or semi-pro criminals

Finally, if skin contact is a form of transmission, then the "scope-powder-on-paper-or-flyer" attack is another possibility to worry about. This one is even tougher to avoid. I guess you can just never touch anything a stranger tries to hand to you directly. Or wear gloves although Bogota is usually not that cold!. I know when I'm in BOG, I sometimes hold a flyer I receive by the corner edge or I even shake it a few times in a direction away from me just in case there's anything on it. But I must look pretty paranoid when I do that, LOL!

Davekphp
11-30-09, 13:37
I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.not that I proud of it, I have been pretty drug fucked myself. One night I foolishly took a shit load of xanax. This drug effects your memory to the point that you can't remember that you just dropped one 30 minutes before. So I had another one etc etc. Apparently I left my mates house at 1am, next thing I remember is waking up in a service station 6am(I only know this because of the police report), 100km from my mates, 1 thong on my foot, a meatcleaver hanging out my pants with a security guard on top of me and a shit load of cops TRUE STORY. No shit even to this day I have absolutely no idea where the 5hrs went, where the meat cleaver came from, how I travelled 50km and where I lost one of my thongs. I don't even know why I was even in the service station. So take it from me it is definatley plausable some drugs are HARDCORE




Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you? Something seems off.Looking back at my form with the incident in the servo. Definately plusable




What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.

Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?If it coke you will remember it.


I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe? No. I travelled 50km, lost 5 hrs, accumilated a meat cleaver, lost a thong and then ended up in a service station on the floor with a security gaurd on top of me. Enough said


Can any VICTIMS comment on this?I haven't been a victim but looking back at that fucked up night at the service station, this is definately plausable. DEFINATELY

Davekphp
11-30-09, 14:44
. It is more common for a guy to go to the pisser without his drink than with it, that is a fucking fact, just because something is common sense doesn't mean people do it. Maybe my common sence reaches futher boundaries than these people you decribe that come to Colombia, or maybe they just have none all together. Another possability is they have no idea about drink-spiking. Maybe these are the people you say "don't belong here" because I know for certain how to not get drugged by GBH or Rhohypnol and end up chopped up in a dumpster. Gaurd your drink. A foolproof measure like this (if the doco is entirely correct) to prevent falling a victim of scope is impossible. Sure there are somethings that could help protect you, but these would be common sence for anyone with their head screwed on. But there is no way you entirely avoid the possibility of falling a victim. So. As stated by you "Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try to avoid being a victim of its use doesn't belong here" is absolute rubbish. It should say "Any monger coming here that isn't aware of being drugged up, robbed, beaten and then thrown in a bin and how to try to avoid being a victim of this by using common sence doesn't belong here".

Artisttyp
11-30-09, 15:52
I haven't been hit myself but I personally know four people who HAVE been, in the past year alone. I assure you it's very real and not a bit exaggerated.I went to www.Nih. Gov and wikipedia to see what they had to say. Apparently scopolamine has several legit uses. Wiki mentions that shaman in Colombia have used it for a long time but it didn't say much more.

It can also be used to battle opiate/alcohol addiction and as a recreational drug like LSD.

Wiki is usually spot on and Nih. Gov is probably the most informative medical site online.

Questner
12-01-09, 05:15
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2

Phunluv
12-02-09, 09:17
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2I saw these vids about a year or so ago. I have 2 complaints about these videos. First, the guy that procured for them the scopolamine was quite a character. He acted in such a way that it made me think he was just pulling the legs of these somewhat gullible gringos.

Second, why didn't they take the powder to a toxicology lab in Bogota, or even in the states to see what was exactly in it? An official lab report on that powder could have provided proof for their video clips that what they got was the real thing, as well as possibly help the authorities better understand what these criminals do in preparing the substance.

So I remain a bit suspicious of these videos although most of it was informative and interesting.

Dealdo
12-05-09, 02:50
i noticed that this colombia forum is super slow. when i was to go to colombia i had to wait even 24 hrs or more to have an answer on my reports.

now i see reports get piled up for days and then suddenly they all hit at same time.

comparing with brasil, russia or argentina this is a very slow caterpillar.

there is anything the administrator can do to speed up the posting?

is very annoying to wait one day or more for an answer or to get the reports to the public.

being in medellin i never invited people to hung out because i knew my invitation wouldn't get on time to the public. i couldn't say: "hey guys today we going to meet at san diego club at 11:00 pm or so" nobody would see this but to the next day.

most forums around the world are instant posting. what happen to the colombia board?

thanks a lot for the attention and future answer.

dealdo

Manizales911
12-05-09, 18:06
i noticed that this colombia forum is super slow. when i was to go to colombia i had to wait even 24 hrs or more to have an answer on my reports.

now i see reports get piled up for days and then suddenly they all hit at same time.

comparing with brasil, russia or argentina this is a very slow caterpillar.

there is anything the administrator can do to speed up the posting?

is very annoying to wait one day or more for an answer or to get the reports to the public.

being in medellin i never invited people to hung out because i knew my invitation wouldn't get on time to the public. i couldn't say: "hey guys today we going to meet at san diego club at 11:00 pm or so" nobody would see this but to the next day.

most forums around the world are instant posting. what happen to the colombia board?

thanks a lot for the attention and future answer.

dealdodealdo,

look at the top of the page and you will see that the colombian forum is on full moderation so that means the mod's have to read every post before it is posted and i am sure jackson isn't paying someone 24/7 to do it. i too get frustrated sometimes about this and when traveling it can be an issue. if you pm someone though they should get it right away.

jackson, if you're out there please post a comment to clarify this please.

Admin
12-05-09, 21:26
hi dealdo,

first, please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of spam. it is specifically because i put in the work to monitor posts that the forum is relatively spam free. i don't like all the work, but i know from experience that there's no other option.

second, if i lowered the senior member requirements to 6 months or 25 reports as some have suggested, i would have spammers specifically posting 25 posts within a few days to get the senior member status, and then start spamming the forum. that's what did happen all the time a couple of years ago when i once had the either/or criteria.

third, the isg forum is a compendium of travel reports, not a chat room. i care about the reports, not the chit-chat. therefor, i don't think it's really that big of a deal if, for example, a travel report to rio de janerio is visible at 6pm or not until a few hours later.

fourth, i disagree with your contention that you "need to wait 'ages'". i moderate and approve all new reports at least twice per day, and sometimes several times a day. the average delay is less than 6 hours. i know because i watch the statistics every day. the only time the delay is more than 12 hours is on those few days when i have some issue that prevents me from getting to a computer, such as a day when i may be flying between continents. even then, i usually find an internet cafe at the airports so i can approve the pending reports before i get on my flight and again when i land.

personally, i think you should be commending me for doing such a great job of managing the forum, instead of bitching that i don't do it fast enough.

thanks,

jackson

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i noticed that this colombia forum is super slow. when i was to go to colombia i had to wait even 24 hrs or more to have an answer on my reports.

now i see reports get piled up for days and then suddenly they all hit at same time.

comparing with brasil, russia or argentina this is a very slow caterpillar.

there is anything the administrator can do to speed up the posting?

is very annoying to wait one day or more for an answer or to get the reports to the public.

being in medellin i never invited people to hung out because i knew my invitation wouldn't get on time to the public. i couldn't say: "hey guys today we going to meet at san diego club at 11:00 pm or so" nobody would see this but to the next day.

most forums around the world are instant posting. what happen to the colombia board?

thanks a lot for the attention and future answer.

dealdo

Dealdo
12-06-09, 00:26
Hi Dealdo,

First, please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of SPAM. It is specifically because I put in the work to monitor posts that The Forum is relatively SPAM free. I don't like all the work, but I know from experience that there's no other option.

Second, if I lowered the Senior Member requirements to 6 months OR 25 reports as some have suggested, I would have spammers specifically posting 25 posts within a few days to get the senior member status, and then start spamming the forum. That's what did happen ALL THE TIME a couple of years ago when I once had the either/or criteria.

Third, the ISG Forum is a compendium of travel reports, not a chat room. I care about the reports, not the chit-chat. Therefor, I don't think it's really that big of a deal if, for example, a travel report to Rio de Janerio is visible at 6pm or not until a few hours later.

Fourth, I disagree with your contention that you "need to wait 'ages'". I moderate and approve all new reports at least twice per day, and sometimes several times a day. The average delay is less than 6 hours. I know because I watch the statistics every day. The only time the delay is more than 12 hours is on those few days when I have some issue that prevents me from getting to a computer, such as a day when I may be flying between continents. Even then, I usually find an internet cafe at the airports so I can approve the pending reports before I get on my flight and again when I land.

Personally, I think you should be commending me for doing such a great job of managing the forum, instead of bitching that I don't do it fast enough.

Thanks,

Jackson

========================================================Hahaha Jackson boddy. If I did not know you I would think you are mad, But you are right I should congratulate you for all that hard work you do and all the millions of people who get benefited with your forum.

Bro I didn't know you personally checked every single report! That is A LOT of work!

I thought you had a moderator for every country or every city. And is because I never had such a dilate on the posting from another forums of ISG. As I said, Brasil, Russia and Argentina run pretty smooth (just to put an example), This was my first trip to Medellin and I noticed the difference, Maybe because here we find a LOT of good for nothing spammers. Some of them pay for their advertising, most of them want to have a free banner. You know whom I mean. All those fricking pimps trying ripping us off. Why don't you just ban then out? I think that would be a good solution. LOL. I'm just thinking loud bro, I know you know what you do. I've seen you dealing with a hundred of "boludos" in Argentina and that really amazed me. I do not have that patient, and that's why I'm can't run a show like this big and complicated.

AHH but you know I always try to make your job easier and my reports are not that chit-chatty carp. I try to report useful data for the community.

But if mongers can get together thanks to this forum is also good for the forum itself, because there will be a LOT more reports. Human interaction is the foundation, what it really makes happen all this business, so travel reports are VITAL for the board as well. Just my point of view.

Ok Now I have to get ready for the rest of the night. =)

I hope I can see you soon again in Buenos Aires amigo. Abraxo grande!

DeAldo

Aba Corrado
12-06-09, 05:13
I have searched this forum but have not found info regarding Human Growth Hormone. Can it be purchased in Colombia, especially Cartagena. And does anyone know the price. By the way I have a prescription from a USA doctor.

Thanks

Dealdo
12-09-09, 04:24
I have searched this forum but have not found info regarding Human Growth Hormone. Can it be purchased in Colombia, especially Cartagena. And does anyone know the price. By the way I have a prescription from a USA doctor.

Hgh

Human growth hormone is produced by the pituitary gland and in adolescents is responsible for increase in height and and other body changes. As we age the level of the hormone rapidly decreases after the age of 30. In adults it is responsible for cellular repair and growth. I won't go into length on the subject but there is plenty of information on the topic on anti-aging sites. As well check out a site by Ellis Toussier a guy thats been taking it for 15 years, hes the best looking 65 yr old guy I've ever seen.

ThanksOk Corrado I move this reply to the right section, to not get off topic the Cartagena board.

Is very interesting what you said about it, unfortunately I can't tell you if any Colombian pharmacy sells them. Best try is asking any of your friends in the Country.

But you didn't' talk about the side effects.

It would be so Cool to stay like now! I wouldn't mind to stay like this the rest of the life LOL. Well is what I think now. When all my family gets old and I stay young may be kind of odd don't you think? But in a second thought, who cares LOL!

Aba Corrado
12-09-09, 08:51
Well I wont pretend to be an expert on this substance but I have researched it extensively. In doses normally used for anti-aging purposes (1-2 i.u.) i have not read any harmful effects. There is concern that it can cause cancerous tumors to grow at an elevated rate. however this does not have a lot of support. Doses larger than 5 or 6 i.u can cause alameglia? (not sure of the spelling) which is enlargement of facial and hand bones. rReally there is A lot of information on the web. However I dont believe that this will cause aging to halt, merely to slow it down.

Davekphp
12-10-09, 05:36
How ya going. Just went to the travel doctor to get my shots for my fuck holiday. Anyway the lady suggested "hostage insurance". Do you think this is worth it, and if so how much is it as i cant get an online quote.

Cheers,

Dave

Calizum
12-10-09, 16:37
Hostage insurance? Only if you are well known in politics, religuos organization that gets in the way with rebels like FARC or the mafia, or if you dress like you own top 100 forbes list which I wouldn't dress like nor where alot of jewelry. I would do some more research and blend in with the locals and learn some spanish so you don't stick out like a sore thumb or see if our many members who live there or go alot be your wingman. By the way, there is an impressive spanish school in Costa Rica which I highly recommend than getting hostage insurance.

Hostage insurance LOL no pun intended

Calizum

PS Colombia is a very mixed culture, about ten years the President of Colombia looked like that front guy for Kentucky Fried Chicken, white as can be with white hair and beard. LOL


How ya going. Just went to the travel doctor to get my shots for my fuck holiday. Anyway the lady suggested "hostage insurance". Do you think this is worth it, and if so how much is it as I can't get an online quote.

Cheers,

Dave

Member #3435
12-10-09, 18:02
How ya going. Just went to the travel doctor to get my shots for my fuck holiday. Anyway the lady suggested "hostage insurance". Do you think this is worth it, and if so how much is it as i cant get an online quote.

Cheers,

DaveOverkill. Only needed by some expats working & living permanently in-country for some deep pocketed large company or with high personal net worth.

Kidnappings are targeted, rarely random.

Just don't travel overland through the known red zones

All the best, Schwmm

Skirtchsnbadguy
12-16-09, 11:40
Mostly true. However, bone growth only happens after insane dosages like 20 I. U. Per day.

If you want anti-aging try test.

Or do what my 'friend' is doing and get on 2 I. U. Per day of hgh and 200mg/wk of test. My friend has a doctor script for the test. The hgh is cheap if you know where to look. And no I don't know where you can look, so do not pm me.

IMO none of the above will help if you don't work out and eat right.


Well I wont pretend to be an expert on this substance but I have researched it extensively. In doses normally used for anti-aging purposes (1-2 i.u.) i have not read any harmful effects. There is concern that it can cause cancerous tumors to grow at an elevated rate. however this does not have a lot of support. Doses larger than 5 or 6 i.u can cause alameglia? (not sure of the spelling) which is enlargement of facial and hand bones. rReally there is A lot of information on the web. However I dont believe that this will cause aging to halt, merely to slow it down.

MS Clive
12-17-09, 09:40
Ran across a book on Amazon kindle called "Men's guide to Colombia" - makes for good bedroom reading.

Gary Groundwork
12-19-09, 01:48
Mostly true. However, bone growth only happens after insane dosages like 20 I. U. Per day.

If you want anti-aging try test.

Or do what my 'friend' is doing and get on 2 I. U. Per day of hgh and 200mg/wk of test. My friend has a doctor script for the test. The hgh is cheap if you know where to look. And no I don't know where you can look, so do not pm me.

IMO none of the above will help if you don't work out and eat right.That depends on your goals. If its for bodybuilding reasons then no. But for anti aging it will help.

Test will shutdown your natural test production by fucking with your HPTA system. This means you won't be able to get a boner naturally. So if your gona go this path be prepared to do it for life. Could also produce acne and hair loss.

Hgh can also fuck with your pituitary gland in the brain.

Hgh for its price is over rated. But sure if you have money to burn it will help shed fat and make your skin look better but like any drug comes with its risks and side affects.

These drugs are only worth it if your old and your natural systems are depleted. Otherwise your just damaging your bodies endocrine system

Dealdo
12-19-09, 10:43
That depends on your goals. If its for bodybuilding reasons then no. But for anti aging it will help.

Test will shutdown your natural test production by fucking with your HPTA system. This means you won't be able to get a boner naturally. So if your gona go this path be prepared to do it for life. Could also produce acne and hair loss.

Hgh can also fuck with your pituitary gland in the brain.

Hgh for its price is over rated. But sure if you have money to burn it will help shed fat and make your skin look better but like any drug comes with its risks and side affects.

These drugs are only worth it if your old and your natural systems are depleted. Otherwise your just damaging your bodies endocrine systemAwesome report Gary, you really sound like a well informed doctor.

THAT'S exactly what I wanted to know. I had that feeling about it.

Nop, that is not for me, Leading a healthy life and working out is the best I have found to feel good and make the girls happy. (Or at least think that I make them happy LOL).

Corrado says it helps him to be sexually powerful. But I won't take the risk,

I'm OK now. I just wanted to be young forever HAHAHA who doesn't right?

Gary Groundwork
12-20-09, 00:18
Nop, that is not for me, Leading a healthy life and working out is the best I have found to feel good and make the girls happy. (Or at least think that I make them happy LOL).

Corrado says it helps him to be sexually powerful. But I won't take the risk,

I'm OK now. I just wanted to be young forever HAHAHA who doesn't right?Corrado feels great now and yes I bet he wants to bone everything in sight but what he is also doing at the same time (I don't know if he realises) is shutting down his bodies natural testosterone production. The longer he stays on the harder it will be to get it back. If he stays on too long he risks permanently shutting down his HPTA system.

When he stops taking the test he will have zero of the hormone in his body causing depression, weight loss, zero sex drive and no chance of getting it up. It could take months for it to kick back in again depending on how long he has been on for and his age. If you don't care about your bodies natural ability to produce this hormone then go for it.

As for HGH at $15 an I/u at 2 I/u's a day minimum hardly worth it IMO. Not to mention the fact you only see results after 6 months to a year.

Like I said though if you are old and have loads of money why not give it a shot?

Dealdo
12-21-09, 03:26
Corrado feels great now and yes I bet he wants to bone everything in sight but what he is also doing at the same time (I don't know if he realises) is shutting down his bodies natural testosterone production. The longer he stays on the harder it will be to get it back. If he stays on too long he risks permanently shutting down his HPTA system.

When he stops taking the test he will have zero of the hormone in his body causing depression, weight loss, zero sex drive and no chance of getting it up. It could take months for it to kick back in again depending on how long he has been on for and his age. If you don't care about your bodies natural ability to produce this hormone then go for it.

As for HGH at $15 an I/u at 2 I/u's a day minimum hardly worth it IMO. Not to mention the fact you only see results after 6 months to a year.

Like I said though if you are old and have loads of money why not give it a shot?Thanks for al the information Gary. Well I'm not old but some day I will be, I hope so. And I hope to be rich by them too LOL

Other wise I think I will go to the Shamanes in the Mountains of Mexico to get me some good plants or roots, what ever it works. Saddest thing would be loosing my mojo.

For staying young I heard there are some plants in Asia, Astragalus I guess is the name is any good? Ginseng too but is so genetically alterated what we have here that I dough it it works any more.

Usually plants that are not drugs have no side effects or very little.

Keep on banging guys.

Golfinho
12-21-09, 22:47
Thanks for al the information Gary. Well I'm not old but some day I will be, I hope so. And I hope to be rich by them too LOL

Other wise I think I will go to the Shamanes in the Mountains of Mexico to get me some good plants or roots, what ever it works. Saddest thing would be loosing my mojo.

For staying young I heard there are some plants in Asia, Astragalus I guess is the name is any good? Ginseng too but is so genetically alterated what we have here that I dough it it works any more.

Usually plants that are not drugs have no side effects or very little.

Keep on banging guys.I've done the fast and cleanse detox program five times -- in Thailand, it's takes about 10 days to do. Off after New Year's to partake again for what will be an annual activity. Guarantee you will feel absolutely rejuvenated afterwards with a corresponding increase in mojo content and capability.

The Tall Man
12-30-09, 05:51
The last time I was in Bogota was in the winter of 1990. I am planning a trip in the next few months.

Question. Can you purchase Viagra? Do you need a perscription? What is the cost for lets say a 50 mg tab?

Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?

Thanks in adavance for your help.

The Tall Man,

Southern Cal

SlamCity7777
12-30-09, 15:02
The last time I was in Bogota was in the winter of 1990. I am planning a trip in the next few months.

Question. Can you purchase Viagra? Do you need a perscription? What is the cost for lets say a 50 mg tab?

Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?

Thanks in adavance for your help.

The Tall Man,

Southern CalDon't know about the Estrado thing. I bought some Cialis on line from the link that used to be in the top right corner on this page, now there is a pic of Silvia Saint.

I was cool with the product...turns out that its Cialis/Viagra made in India. Worked great for me! At time TOO great and I couldn't make leleche even after like 45-1hr of WORKING and 10-20 HJ...I was exhausted but my Tower of Power was still rocking strong.

Enjoy the trip!

John Gault
12-30-09, 16:25
The last time I was in Bogota was in the winter of 1990. I am planning a trip in the next few months.

Question. Can you purchase Viagra? Do you need a perscription? What is the cost for lets say a 50 mg tab?

Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?

Thanks in adavance for your help.

The Tall Man,

Southern CalGeneric Viagra is around 2,500 peso for the 50 MG tab.

No perscription needed.

Also except for certain types of narcotics no script is needed for anything.

AddictedToWomen
12-31-09, 01:18
Also except for certain types of narcotics no script is needed for anything.And antibiotics now, I'm informed.

And some stuff -- antivirals come to mind -- may be difficult to impossible to find.

AddictedToWomen
12-31-09, 01:35
Can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. I have read that Bogota is divided into various Estrato. Something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher Estrado. I just don't quite get this? Is it a class thing? I have a Colombian friend that lives by Carrera 87. What Estrado would this be?

Thanks in advance for your help.

The Tall Man,

Southern CalEstratos 1-6 plus some new super estratos. Defines how much tax you pay and if you receive or make a contribution on your utility bills, amongst other things. It's a way of the rich subsidising the poor.

Of course, being locombia, they can be defined slightly differently by different organisations, so that the government can say it's 5, but the phone company say it's 4.

I have a large and detailed map but it's too big to upload here

Phunluv
12-31-09, 07:15
can anyone help me with a question about a certain area. i have read that bogota is divided into various estrato. something about 1. 6 with the better areas being the higher estrado. i just don't quite get this? is it a class thing? i have a colombian friend that lives by carrera 87. what estrado would this be?i don't know all the details nor do i have the time to explain fully but it's basically a class thing as you suggest although there are many exceptions and grey areas (see below).

in a nutshell, neighborhoods and even specific buildings or structures are ranked from estrata 1 to 6 with 6 being the highest. the lower the estrata, the less you pay in utilities (and consequently other stuff in nearby businesses tend to be cheaper bringing your cost of living down by quite a bit). this is at least partly subsidized by those who live in the higher estratas. if you live in a 5 or 6 estrata building you're paying more than what the utilities really are worth to subsidize those who live in the 1, 2, 3 estratas. estrata 4 is the baseline.

having said that, some families who can afford to live in a estrata 5 or 6 prefer to live in a 2 or 3 to bring down their cost of living; and other families with social or class aspirations will try to scrape by living in a 5 or 6 area just so that their kids can grow up around the right people. . .

carrera 87 in bogota is to the west, the best neighborhoods in bogota are in the north (above calle 85) and towards the east, closer to the mountains (carreras 1 thru 15) but like i said it's complicated and you can have multiple estratas even in a small neighborhood. . .

carrera 87 sounds a bit away from the p4p action, but why don't you hang out with your buddy in bog for a few days while you get your feet wet before you head out on your own?

The Tall Man
12-31-09, 15:18
Thanks for the info AddictedToWomen, Slamcity7777 and Vics Picks!

I am flying out of LAX (SoCal) on Spirit Airlines through Miami. Never been on Spirit. Any of you guys?

What kinds of small item or gift from LA would be appreciated to give to (A) a woman that I will visit who I have been chatting on-line with and (B) her father / mother / siblings? I have heard that a bottle of wiskey for the father and perfume for the lady.

I heard it is cold in Bogota. I can not recall as I was last there in November 1990. I read somewhere that I should bring a small electric heater (the kind they have a Home Depot).

Thanks all of you & HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

The Tall Man

The Tall Man
01-01-10, 17:02
Thanks Phunluv for the info.

Happy New Year to all and be safe this year!

The Tall Man

AddictedToWomen
01-02-10, 22:40
I heard it is cold in Bogota. I can not recall as I was last there in November 1990. I read somewhere that I should bring a small electric heater (the kind they have a Home Depot).It can be, but this month has been warmer than usual. The good news is that I've seen fan heaters in Home Sentry K19/Cl 116. I've been looking for them for a while but finally having found them haven't had need of one.

The Tall Man
01-09-10, 16:55
Thanks again for the info AddictedToWomen,

I think I will pass on the heater this trip beside, I plan on heading North to San Gil area for about half of my stay and it is warm there.

Be safe all!

The Tall Man

World Travel 69
01-11-10, 04:21
I was watching National Geographic Channel.

They were showing Subs being built inland.

So if you happen to go into the mountains or near the coast and see a boat being built, that could be a Sub, get the hell out of there.

Just a word of caution.

Davekphp
01-11-10, 06:17
Hi everyone,

I have wt69 list, but was wondering if anyone could recommend me a good chica guide in Bogota. Also I am arriving in mid feb so a wingman wold be cool.

Cheers,

Dave

Dealdo
01-17-10, 07:26
1 country that come close to having the night life of Argentina, women of Colombia and food of peru is BRAZIL!

oh hell maybe brazil has it all!

I haven't been to peru but i know it has one of the most diverse cuisine in the world.Depends of taste as always. Brasil doesn't have good food in comparison with Mexico (number one in the continent and in the world for some experts) and even Argentina that is very good on food especially meat. Peru is good too, better than Brasil for sure, because even Brazilians say it, there is better food in other countries., But night life and girls yes, you got that right.

I like all countries actually, different ways, different cultures, amazing music and arts, incredible literature (the way the language allows the imagination to put in paper images and feelings is indescribable), and a singular personality and at the same time bunch of similitudes that give them that identity, Latin American is a beautiful mosaic, very rich in cultures and color,. But the best treasure of the continent, is its people, even though the economic situation is so bad and corruption and mafias are a fucked up cancer, good people and high values still been found in every single country.,

Pretty girls are everywhere. Some places more than others, but that is so global.

BayBoy
01-21-10, 16:28
On my last trip to Medellin in October I took a bus ride to Rio Claro and Doradal (3 hours).

Rio Claro is a nature preserve and ecological area with a river running thru it. There's walking and hiking trails along with things to do on the river. There's a lodge for overnight stays and also a restaurant for meals.

After Rio Claro I hopped the bus a few miles into Doradal. Just outside the town is Hacienda Napoles. This is the former home of drug-czar Pablo Escobar. They've turned it into a wild animal zoo and lodging facilities. Pablo had a large collection of exotic animals and after his killing the local state took over the grounds.

His house is being remodeled to make into a museum. But people can walk the grounds and see his former living area.

Animals that I saw: Hippopotamus, Ostrich, Zebras, Pumas, Llamas, Parrotts, Monkeys, Buffalos, and a Butterfly farm.

I plan to go back on my next trip to Medellin (March). I know this is not a travel website, but I think this is an interesting side trip for mongers.

Dealdo
01-22-10, 06:14
[QUOTE=Coffeelover]*Meat. There is steak and then there is steak. I've had a number of lomo dishes here and the meat has been awful to be polite. Tijuana had way better meat than I've had here.

Dominican Republic- Its good in new york but not in the DR. Just like mexican food is better in california and texas vs mexico

Mexico- Tijuana has decent food and so does Mexico City and oaxaca. Otherwise at least they have italian.Artist. You got me kind of lost bro. Mexico is in your worst places list for food?

But you said you have gotten good dishes there?

And them You said California and Texas has better Mexican food than Mexico it self? HAHAHA. Bro you really have a very bad gringo taste. You know the Mexicans have to change the original flavor of their food in USA for gringos, very same thing the Italianos? They said they have to ruin it to sell it but we love it like that. LOL is true. Anyways probably is not our fault. Our taste is educated since childhood. American food sucks even worst than Colombian but we can't taste the difference.

But something is almost universal (For the world's opinion not the American opinion OK?) All the food never will be better than in their original countries.

We can't compare Domino's from a real good home made pizza in Roma.

The only better food I have tried outside of their original country is frinking McDonals out of USA and is only because other countries use REAL meat. And not genetically alterated mutant cows and mixed with all kind of artificial shit.

But all this is about taste education, I like a lot better the food in their own country, my only problem is the sushi, I can't stand it, sorry but I can't have the taste of a polar bear. My fish has to be cooked, even in lime but cooked, not nasty raw. But that is only me. Everybody is free to like what ever, is OK.

I really can go everywhere with out food being a crucial issue. If a country has soul and magic for me that is my best food.

Dealdo
01-22-10, 06:21
On my last trip to Medellin in October I took a bus ride to Rio Claro and Doradal (3 hours).

Rio Claro is a nature preserve and ecological area with a river running thru it. There's walking and hiking trails along with things to do on the river. There's a lodge for overnight stays and also a restaurant for meals.

After Rio Claro I hopped the bus a few miles into Doradal. Just outside the town is Hacienda Napoles. This is the former home of drug-czar Pablo Escobar. They've turned it into a wild animal zoo and lodging facilities. Pablo had a large collection of exotic animals and after his killing the local state took over the grounds.

His house is being remodeled to make into a museum. But people can walk the grounds and see his former living area.

Animals that I saw: Hippopotamus, Ostrich, Zebras, Pumas, Llamas, Parrotts, Monkeys, Buffalos, and a Butterfly farm.

I plan to go back on my next trip to Medellin (March). I know this is not a travel website, but I think this is an interesting side trip for mongers.Bayboy interesting place.

Your reports are very welcome bro. This is a general information board and all kind of information is appreciated.

You said it. Mongers also do normal tourist activities. Hard to believe? LOL well we are full of surprises.

Bango Cheito
01-22-10, 08:29
Just an update on something that was discussed some months back here, regarding, do regular non-pro girls here in Colombia care about a guy's age?

I have it absolutely confirmed that it WAS a factor in the original case I was talking about, the girl is 20 years old and strongly prefers guys her own age, she had a 26 year old bf but broke up with him partly because she thought he was too old.

HOWEVER there are many other examples absolutely the opposite of that. I know one girl even younger than her who almost exclusively dates guys over 30. Of course she's a prepago so that doesn't count as "non pro". But I have dated 18 and 19 year olds who could care less about anybody's age.

BayBoy
01-22-10, 14:03
I read in the Lonely Planet guide book that Colombians dont like to put spices on their food. They like to eat it plain. Well, to me the main dishes taste bland in Colombia. I dont mind it with the fruits and vegetables, but with the meat cuts they need to spice it up.

My other complaint is that when I've ordered steak its usually a cheap cut of meat. Yes, there is a massive piece of beef or pork or chicken but it needs seasoning.

Client 9
01-22-10, 20:17
Just an update on something that was discussed some months back here, regarding, do regular non-pro girls here in Colombia care about a guy's age?

I have it absolutely confirmed that it WAS a factor in the original case I was talking about, the girl is 20 years old and strongly prefers guys her own age, she had a 26 year old bf but broke up with him partly because she thought he was too old.

HOWEVER there are many other examples absolutely the opposite of that. I know one girl even younger than her who almost exclusively dates guys over 30. Of course she's a prepago so that doesn't count as "non pro". But I have dated 18 and 19 year olds who could care less about anybody's age.In my opinion, most Colombian women do not have an age preference. You either are physically attractive, or you are not. You are either have a fun personality, or you do not. Age is no more than a tertiary factor.

Of course, some do prefer younger men. However, many others prefer older men. Colombian men of all ages are often outrageously immature and irresponsible. The younger they are, the worse their immaturity is. If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?

Some Gringos have difficulty grasping what the reality is for the countless young and beautiful women of Colombia. They have only three real choices. They can date some poor and uneducated Colombian guy from their barrio. They can be the mistress of a financially successful Colombian guy that is married to another woman. Or they can date a foreign guy. These are their three options, and they are their only options. Colombia is much more elitist than most Gringos realize. Generally speaking, financially successful Colombian men will not marry poor women from poor families living in a poor barrio. It just doesn't happen.

Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.

Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man. So get out there and fuck all the young chicas you can. LOL.

Bango Cheito
01-23-10, 03:31
I read in the Lonely Planet guide book that Colombians dont like to put spices on their food. They like to eat it plain. Well, to me the main dishes taste bland in Colombia. I dont mind it with the fruits and vegetables, but with the meat cuts they need to spice it up.

My other complaint is that when I've ordered steak its usually a cheap cut of meat. Yes, there is a massive piece of beef or pork or chicken but it needs seasoning.Ask for ají or guacamole.

Very rare that they wouldn't have ají.

Ricker
01-23-10, 14:46
In my opinion, most Colombian women do not have an age preference. You either are physically attractive, or you are not. You are either have a fun personality, or you do not. Age is no more than a tertiary factor.

Of course, some do prefer younger men. However, many others prefer older men. Colombian men of all ages are often outrageously immature and irresponsible. The younger they are, the worse their immaturity is. If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?

Some Gringos have difficulty grasping what the reality is for the countless young and beautiful women of Colombia. They have only three real choices. They can date some poor and uneducated Colombian guy from their barrio. They can be the mistress of a financially successful Colombian guy that is married to another woman. Or they can date a foreign guy. These are their three options, and they are their only options. Colombia is much more elitist than most Gringos realize. Generally speaking, financially successful Colombian men will not marry poor women from poor families living in a poor barrio. It just doesn't happen.

Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.

Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man. So get out there and fuck all the young chicas you can. LOL.Well, I was going to respond to the post concerning the Colombianas preference on the age of guys, however, senor Client 9, summed it up PERFECTLY.

As I have always said, and always will; age is only a factor if you let it be.
End of story.

Have fun!!

PolyOrchid
01-23-10, 15:00
Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.

LOL.True pearls of wisdom here, Client 9, and as applicable in Colombo as Colombia, Mumbai as Medellin....and I especially concur with your statement "Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want."

Great post!

Dealdo
01-23-10, 16:55
Is it a good idea to buy some COP at the bank in the US to bring with or not.Good question. Does anybody know if there is a big fee for buying foreign currency at the bank? I guess not all the banks have Colombian pesos right?

Banks usually have the official rate that definitely is always better than changing cash in Colombia, you ALWAYS will lose big money in the exchange places, and there is a risk to get fake bills also.

Sometimes the ATM machines in the airport don't have money or they are far away from the exit.

Bologna
01-23-10, 20:07
If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?I would act like a Colombian woman and date both at the same time.


Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man.Not necessarily. This is assuming they are loyal, in which my observations shows otherwise. It's entertaining to watch what a girl does after her foreign novio leaves town.

But you are right, age is for the most part a non issue with most of them. This took me a while to get used to. My American brain just couldn't compute this into a genuine reality.

Dealdo
01-24-10, 14:57
I would act like a Colombian woman and date both at the same time.

Not necessarily. This is assuming they are loyal, in which my observations shows otherwise. It's entertaining to watch what a girl does after her foreign novio leaves town.

But you are right, age is for the most part a non issue with most of them. This took me a while to get used to. My American brain just couldn't compute this into a genuine reality.Ok lets cut the crap. We already talk a lot about them, most of them go out with old foreigners or old locals just for the MONEY. Very few old guys are that "attractive" to them, Those old cool dudes don't even bother to write here their conquers because they are MATURE enough to not play the kid with the new toy. Lets face reality for ones. And enjoy what we can have, our resources are our weapons and don't try to camouflage them for "charm" don't forget there are millions of people reading the board and they can see us more clearly than we do. Some of them are locals that only laugh their guts out reading our fantasies. Some of them know the guys behind the nickname and know who has GFs fucking at will with others for more money or gifts.

Go there, enjoy life, use your skills or savings and forget about the rest.

Member #3435
01-24-10, 19:44
In my opinion, most Colombian women do not have an age preference. You either are physically attractive, or you are not. You are either have a fun personality, or you do not. Age is no more than a tertiary factor.

Of course, some do prefer younger men. However, many others prefer older men. Colombian men of all ages are often outrageously immature and irresponsible. The younger they are, the worse their immaturity is. If you were a young and beautiful Colombian woman, would you date a young Colombian guy or an older foreign guy?

Some Gringos have difficulty grasping what the reality is for the countless young and beautiful women of Colombia. They have only three real choices. They can date some poor and uneducated Colombian guy from their barrio. They can be the mistress of a financially successful Colombian guy that is married to another woman. Or they can date a foreign guy. These are their three options, and they are their only options. Colombia is much more elitist than most Gringos realize. Generally speaking, financially successful Colombian men will not marry poor women from poor families living in a poor barrio. It just doesn't happen.

Anybody here worrying about their age should stop worrying about it. Don't worry about what women want. Worry about what you want. Colombian women do not like anything that indicates insecurity or weakness on the part of a man. Worrying about your age indicates such things to Colombian women. The most attractive things to Colombian women are genuine self-confidence and a fun personality.

Even in the case of those that prefer younger men, the preference is readily abandoned when they meet the "right" older man. So get out there and fuck all the young chicas you can. LOL.Ditto that. Client Nine sums it up perfectly and includes all the elements to understand why it can happen if you understand it & have the prerequesite skills to make it happen.

One addition if I may that was touched on but said in another way; regardles of ages, latin men in Latin America "tend" to be disloyal, and treat their women like shit (including in many cases beating) and gringos are known to behave "for the most part" better and treat their women better. Couple this with the fact that latin women "tend" to be be traditional unlike their north amerincan or Euro counterparts and many gringo men prefer that in a women.

It's a no-brainer match.

Until you take them to your home country but that's another discussion. LOL

All the best, Schwmm

Bango Cheito
01-24-10, 21:58
Age is definitely a tertiary issue, but BOY does physical appearance count.

Most women in the REAL Colombia will go for option number 1 that Client 9 describes. The difference is, those guys are broke, but many of them are physically stunning, and more well educated than the typical gringo, plus they have the advantage of knowing the culture.

Just because they aren't rolling in money doesn't mean they are desparate for it like people in North America are, they have a very different mentality here. They don't NEED money because they aren't addicted to luxury.

The fact is, the more you get out of the rich bubble in the northeast of Bogota the LESS materialistic people become.

The danger of being a foreigner here, especially if you live here full time like I do, is if you carry that "money buys everything" mentality ingrained into us in North America you're going to be MISERABLE here. You will make friends and end up having them shy away from you because of that unless you learn to transcend it.

I'd go so far as to say, once you get out of the gringo chaser and interesada crowd which is a TINY minority here, your money is all but worthless when it comes to winning the heart of a genuine Colombian girl.

Bologna
01-24-10, 22:55
Ok lets cut the crap. We already talk a lot about them, most of them go out with old foreigners or old locals just for the MONEY. Very few old guys are that "attractive" to them, Those old cool dudes don't even bother [...]

Go there, enjoy life, use your skills or savings and forget about the rest.Well said.

Couldn't agree more.

John Gault
01-25-10, 03:13
Ok lets cut the crap. We already talk a lot about them, most of them go out with old foreigners or old locals just for the MONEY. Very few old guys are that "attractive" to them, Those old cool dudes don't even bother to write here their conquers because they are MATURE enough to not play the kid with the new toy. Lets face reality for ones. And enjoy what we can have, our resources are our weapons and don't try to camouflage them for "charm" don't forget there are millions of people reading the board and they can see us more clearly than we do. Some of them are locals that only laugh their guts out reading our fantasies. Some of them know the guys behind the nickname and know who has GFs fucking at will with others for more money or gifts.

Go there, enjoy life, use your skills or savings and forget about the rest.Mr. D, I could not agree more. Just as I look for the GFE from a pretty younger women, they are looking at the Peso that they can get from me. Yes you can be pleasent to each other and have a good time, but her bottom line is her key and I have mine. After many years of dealing with Pros and non pros I'll take the honest pro anytime. It is cheaper in the long run and after I am thru with her I am free to look for a new one.

One more issue. Now I try for the BBBJ with the Pros I deal with. What is funny to me is with a long term girl friend a BJ is not on the menu anymore unless it is your birthday or you bought her a real nice gift. Remember the old joke about why a bride smiles. They know the days of BJ's are over.

Manizales911
01-25-10, 17:36
Good question. Does anybody know if there is a big fee for buying foreign currency at the bank? I guess not all the banks have Colombian pesos right?

Banks usually have the official rate that definitely is always better than changing cash in Colombia, you ALWAYS will lose big money in the exchange places, and there is a risk to get fake bills also.

Sometimes the ATM machines in the airport don't have money or they are far away from the exit.The USA banks will not have the COP in stock but will order them for you and it will take a few days, I don't recommend doing this because they fuck you on the exchange rate just as bad as going to the cambio in the airport. As has been advised a thousand times here just go to an ATM once you are on the ground in Colombia. Just make sure to call your card company prior to leaving the states and advise them of your travels or they may shut the card off after the first time you use it. Bring some dollars also just in case you have problems with your card. Personally, the most important things I do when I travel is I bring $1000. In dollars for emergency funding, three forms of I. D., copies of my passport and two credit/debit cards from different banks. I split up my money, cards and I. D. 's and put them in different places because there is nothing worse than being in a third world country with no I. D. And/or no money, it's happened to me and it sucks ass big time.

Ricker
01-25-10, 19:36
... The danger of being a foreigner here, especially if you live here full time like I do, is if you carry that "money buys everything" mentality ingrained into us in North America you're going to be MISERABLE here. You will make friends and end up having them shy away from you because of that unless you learn to transcend it.

I'd go so far as to say, once you get out of the gringo chaser and interesada crowd which is a TINY minority here, your money is all but worthless when it comes to winning the heart of a genuine Colombian girl.That's a KEY point amigo, which MOST guys: travelers, visitors, foreigners, mongers, etc, never really get to appreciate and really won't fully comprehend.

You can talk and post on the subject til your blue in the face, but guys that have been burned by 'non-pro interesadas', internet dating chicas looking for a better life with 'whoever', dishonest pros, etc, just won't get it.

Life is all about experiences, and learning from them.

You've obviously learned through yours.

I've seen the proverbial 'good, bad and ugly' in Colombia and it has taught me muchisimo.

Good luck.

Hioctane
01-26-10, 08:21
Age is definitely a tertiary issue, but BOY does physical appearance count.

Most women in the REAL Colombia will go for option number 1 that Client 9 describes. The difference is, those guys are broke, but many of them are physically stunning, and more well educated than the typical gringo, plus they have the advantage of knowing the culture.

Just because they aren't rolling in money doesn't mean they are desparate for it like people in North America are, they have a very different mentality here. They don't NEED money because they aren't addicted to luxury.

The fact is, the more you get out of the rich bubble in the northeast of Bogota the LESS materialistic people become.

The danger of being a foreigner here, especially if you live here full time like I do, is if you carry that "money buys everything" mentality ingrained into us in North America you're going to be MISERABLE here. You will make friends and end up having them shy away from you because of that unless you learn to transcend it.

I'd go so far as to say, once you get out of the gringo chaser and interesada crowd which is a TINY minority here, your money is all but worthless when it comes to winning the heart of a genuine Colombian girl.Money is NOT worthless when it comes to Colombian girls or girls ANYWHERE in the world even the US! Women all want the same thing. To be provided for. Sure they can say money doesn't matter. But they would still prefer a guy that can provide for them, take them out on dates, vacations, gifts, etc. Besides, most of the guys here are not looking to marry a Colombian girl. They're just looking to fuck 'them.

You can have the "money buys everything" mentality. You just can't be an asshole about it. The problem is when you think you're better than someone else. You can have money and be a generous guy. It'll be appreciated. I guess that's partly what you're saying.

I'm not sure about the physical appearance issue. You say a girl will prefer a guy that is good looking but poor over a guy that is average looking but has money. With personalities being equal? I dunno about that. I still think they would prefer the guy with the money.

SlamCity7777
01-26-10, 14:48
One more issue. Now I try for the BBBJ with the Pros I deal with. What is funny to me is with a long term girl friend a BJ is not on the menu anymore unless it is your birthday or you bought her a real nice gift. Remember the old joke about why a bride smiles. They know the days of BJ's are over."...the days of BJ's are over."? SOUNDS LIKE HELL!!! LOL!

Hioctane
01-27-10, 01:18
Mr. D, I could not agree more. Just as I look for the GFE from a pretty younger women, they are looking at the Peso that they can get from me. Yes you can be pleasent to each other and have a good time, but her bottom line is her key and I have mine. After many years of dealing with Pros and non pros I'll take the honest pro anytime. It is cheaper in the long run and after I am thru with her I am free to look for a new one.

One more issue. Now I try for the BBBJ with the Pros I deal with. What is funny to me is with a long term girl friend a BJ is not on the menu anymore unless it is your birthday or you bought her a real nice gift. Remember the old joke about why a bride smiles. They know the days of BJ's are over.That would be an ex if that happened!

Bango Cheito
01-27-10, 02:17
In the US money is EVERYTHING when it comes to women.

Here in Colombia, the richest of the Colombians have much of the gringo mentality, but as you go down the socioeconomic ladder things change drastically.

I am EXACTLY saying that in my experience the FINEST women here, women who are not only drop dead gorgeous but razor sharp intelligent, prefer a good looking guy who is broke over an average guy who has all the money in the world.

Of course the average gringo has no idea how to disgtinguish between the real top class women here and the low hanging fruit. Living in the US with all the ugly crass ignorant people kinda fucks up your perception. That's another bitter pill to swallow, but it's the dead up truth.

My life down here, every pound I lose of excess weight, every time I upgrade my wardrobe, etc. Brings me a new degree of success with women. Most of them don't give a fuck about money. A good 90% or more. If you don't have money for the bus they'll pay your fare. If neither of you have money they will hold your hand and walk with you. If you can't afford the condom it's sexo oral.

Hioctane
01-27-10, 08:02
In the US money is EVERYTHING when it comes to women.

Here in Colombia, the richest of the Colombians have much of the gringo mentality, but as you go down the socioeconomic ladder things change drastically.

I am EXACTLY saying that in my experience the FINEST women here, women who are not only drop dead gorgeous but razor sharp intelligent, prefer a good looking guy who is broke over an average guy who has all the money in the world.

Of course the average gringo has no idea how to disgtinguish between the real top class women here and the low hanging fruit. Living in the US with all the ugly crass ignorant people kinda fucks up your perception. That's another bitter pill to swallow, but it's the dead up truth.

My life down here, every pound I lose of excess weight, every time I upgrade my wardrobe, etc. Brings me a new degree of success with women. Most of them don't give a fuck about money. A good 90% or more. If you don't have money for the bus they'll pay your fare. If neither of you have money they will hold your hand and walk with you. If you can't afford the condom it's sexo oral.Looks and class are not synonymous! There are fine, gorgeous and smart women in every class. The ones that don't care about money are in the upper class. Because they have money and don't need your money. If you want to dress up and attract the upper class, that is up to you. But there are just as hot and smart women in the lower class and these won't be stuck up and all into your looks.

Bango Cheito
01-29-10, 21:18
Ime it's the exact opposite. People living in the richer neighborhoods very often do NOT have their own money, in fact, they are often living a financially unsustainable lifestyle for the money they have coming in, so they are totally hungry for money. In the cheaper neighborhoods a person can defend his or herself with next to nothing.

John Gault
02-06-10, 16:40
I am in a 66 day tour of Colombia. It was brought to my attention last night that there is a 60 day limit on each stay in Colombia, and any day over that is a $55 fine. He also said I could go to Belin and get a extension. I looked at my current stamp on Jan. 25th and there is nothing on it about a time limit. I did find on another earlier stamp a 60 day note. I was under the impression that 180 days total for the year was the only limit. Please no guess on this. Respond only if you know for sure.

Thanks in advance.

Manizales911
02-07-10, 17:24
I am in a 66 day tour of Colombia. It was brought to my attention last night that there is a 60 day limit on each stay in Colombia, and any day over that is a $55 fine. He also said I could go to Belin and get a extension. I looked at my current stamp on Jan. 25th and there is nothing on it about a time limit. I did find on another earlier stamp a 60 day note. I was under the impression that 180 days total for the year was the only limit. Please no guess on this. Respond only if you know for sure.

Thanks in advance.180 days total in a year but max 90 days at a time. They almost always give you 60 days,30 days on your first trip to Colombia which is not the case for you. To get 90 days you have to go to DAS and they will extend to 90 no problem. I went through my passport and I have 23 entry stamps and they are all written in for 60 days except my first which was 30,none of them are blank. Because nothing is written on yours you are probably okay but I wouldn't take the chance,I would go to the DAS office,(I used the one in Bogota)and get the extension,if they hold you up at the airport and you miss your flight back it will cost you more than the extension.

AddictedToWomen
02-08-10, 03:13
I am in a 66 day tour of Colombia. It was brought to my attention last night that there is a 60 day limit on each stay in Colombia, and any day over that is a $55 fine. He also said I could go to Belin and get a extension. I looked at my current stamp on Jan. 25th and there is nothing on it about a time limit. I did find on another earlier stamp a 60 day note. I was under the impression that 180 days total for the year was the only limit. Please no guess on this. Respond only if you know for sure.

Thanks in advance.If there's no date on it get to the DAS pdq and see what the story is. Otherwise you have the potential for surprises when leaving the country with no time to sort them out.

60 days is the maximum they can give you on entry now. You can extend at DAS for 30 days at a time, like M911 (isn't that a galaxy?) says.

Goga Fung
02-12-10, 15:09
Can somebody explain what the hell is "Niñeto/Niñato dinero"?

From what I saw yesterday, a girl comes to a gringo and asks for "Niñeto/Niñato dinero". And he just gives her some money. Like 20K+ peso.

It looks like this country is going to be ruined. Now the girls do not have to do shit, only ask gringos for moneys. Just the same as in the back "good ol USA".

BayBoy
02-12-10, 18:37
I did a little research on the internet. The legislative elections in Colombia are on March 14. The presidential election is May 30.

Presidente Uribe still hasnt been approved to be able to run for a 3rd term.

Maybe the 'moral patrols' in Medellin will ease up after that.

Professor 1
02-13-10, 04:56
Can somebody explain what the hell is "Niñeto/Niñato dinero"?

From what I saw yesterday, a girl comes to a gringo and asks for "Niñeto/Niñato dinero". And he just gives her some money. Like 20K+ peso.

It looks like this country is going to be ruined. Now the girls do not have to do shit, only ask gringos for moneys. Just the same as in the back "good ol USA".While I have never been to Colombia, it looks/sounds like little boy/girl money, or money for one's little one. Yes, I had that happen in the DR. I looked indignant and said, in Spanish, that I am not a tourist. Ask one of the tourists. Even the little one had his hand out. Mercy.

HoleRanger
02-14-10, 16:47
I'am thinking about getting an apartment with my girlfriend(Normal girl(non-pro). P. T. Student. Works p. T. A keeper) we've been dating for about 1 year now. Has anyone had experience with"Common Law Marriage" in Colombia? The pros and cons? I've read the "Law 54 of 1990" but just want to hear some real experiences. If you do not live together full time during the year,how this effects the timelines etc?

Thanks,

Enjoy!

Hioctane
02-14-10, 18:53
I'am thinking about getting an apartment with my girlfriend(Normal girl(non-pro). P. T. Student. Works p. T. A keeper) we've been dating for about 1 year now. Has anyone had experience with"Common Law Marriage" in Colombia? The pros and cons? I've read the "Law 54 of 1990" but just want to hear some real experiences.

Thanks,

Enjoy!Why would you want to do that?

Jota73
02-22-10, 05:33
Guys

I am travelling to cartagena in 2 weeks.

Does anyone recommend any guide that can help me finding good girls?

I remember I use to call a guy JULIO in medellin, he use to find me good girls when travelling to paisas region.

Any help is appreciated.

Please send me a PM with contact info.

Mr Enternational
02-22-10, 17:30
I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.

Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.

AddictedToWomen
02-22-10, 17:37
Hello, fellow mongering community,

etc etc etc Err, why do I care?

Bango Cheito
02-22-10, 23:52
Here in Bogota, it is NOT the norm for a boyfriend to help out his girlfriend financially. That's a whole nother level of relationship. Generally the MUTUAL financial support doesn't kick in unless the two people in question are cohabitating. You got a real bad egg there.


I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.

Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.

Hilltopper
02-23-10, 01:00
Would it be better to just giver her 100 mil COP after each time you hit it and keepin' it on that level? So much less complicated than dealin' with a Colombiana novia.


I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.

Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.

Lowkey1
02-23-10, 10:10
I travel a lot for the purpose of mongering in latin countries but have not been to Columbia. I can not decide which city to go to, I am leaning towards Bogota but am open to suggestions or driving points to push me to another city. ANYHOW. I Stumbled across a site called TLC tours that charges 995 for this 4 day thing that has 300 plus women to meet about 50 guys every 6 months or so in Cali. Money is not that big of an issue here, but My question to you guys is this. P4P is obviously avail, but are decent girls that like or desire to be with gringos around? I do like to P4P but then during the day or night at a bar I would like to think I could go out and meet a decent girl and providing we hit it off I wouldn't be asked for money in order to spend the night with her. This tour claims to be decent girls looking for marriage, and since I am 28 and not bad looking I am considering attempting to start to look and if it happens it does, just not with a hooker. Anyhow. Is this tour BS and are the girls here that are seriously interested in guys from USA hard to find? OR is the use of this tour make life easy for meeting these girls? I went to the Philapeans and you could find both anywhere there. Girls that would accept money for what ever your heart desired down to girls that would love to meet a nice man for marriage. I hold a light to the Philiapeans and tend to think its the only country with both kinds of girls readily avail with no gray area. YOu want a hooker. Go to a strip club or free lancer bar or massage parlor. You want to meet a girl, just go out on the town and they are doing anything just to say Hi to you! Fill me in guys. I'm curions. Sorry for so much details in one post. But I have to know and I need the help!

Hioctane
02-23-10, 17:01
I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.

Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.You have to understand... The people in most latin countries are POOR. This is not the United States. The father doesn't normally support their children because they are POOR. To a certain extent, us gringos take advantage of this. Having a GF in latin society implies that you help them out financially. What you said was COLD! If you don't want the drama, get a puta as you put it.

Artisttyp
02-23-10, 20:47
You have to understand... The people in most latin countries are POOR. This is not the United States. The father doesn't normally support their children because they are POOR. To a certain extent, us gringos take advantage of this. Having a GF in latin society implies that you help them out financially. What you said was COLD! If you don't want the drama, get a puta as you put it.I agree 100%. Just reading the story made me cringe.

* Everything is surreal. Most GFE's you meet in latin america have kids or need money. A few want to marry a nice guy and have kids but that usually translates into money anyway.

If you aren't willing to "pull caballo" as meatloaf would say then just pay by the hour. If you still want GFE then expect to pay more and budget accordingly.

Once you figure out your budget you will know when the *cut off point is for your date. Enjoy the memories.

I don't mean to sound obnoxious and of course there are exceptions. However if you stick to this philosophy you will enjoy your time in SA alot more.

At some point some of us become "companion mongers"...willing to pay for a girl just to hang around. I get it trust me but it's too depressing.

Have monger friends and just fuck pfp is my advice.

Dealdo
02-24-10, 07:51
I don’t get this mentality. I am sitting her in Barranquilla. I am going back and forth texting this non-pro who I hit yesterday. She decides to wake up and send me a text asking if I could loan her US$50 because her daughter needs books for school. I told her no. Then she asks me not to put the pictures I took of her on the internet. I’m like why would I do that, they are private. So she says that she is going to leave the house to see if someone can loan her the money. I told her in that case I am going to leave Barranquilla since I won’t be able to see her.

Now this is the part where I always get tripped up. She said that she wants to be my girlfriend but this implies that she has a daughter who I will have to help her with financially. I tell her but your daughter has a father and I also have a daughter whom I have to help. She says she needs a man that will help her and asks if I am going to help her. So I tell her that I want a girlfriend, not a puta.Bro if you want a Gf in Colombia be prepared to deal with her kids expenses and maybe her family's as well. As HighO said, poor girls really need support, if you really love the girl 50k is not a reason to act like a cheap bastard. You wanted to play that game have to deal with it or forget about it, BFs are gone and they are on their own, You may know it, so free sex is out of the menu most of the time in this loving continent. At least this girl ask for her kids, some others ask for plastic surgery and shopping tours to the most expensive malls.

Zippy42
02-24-10, 14:11
Bro if you want a Gf in Colombia be prepared to deal with her kids expenses and maybe her family's as well. As HighO said, poor girls really need support, if you really love the girl 50k is not a reason to act like a cheap bastard. You wanted to play that game have to deal with it or forget about it, BFs are gone and they are on their own, You may know it, so free sex is out of the menu most of the time in this loving continent. At least this girl ask for her kids, some others ask for plastic surgery and shopping tours to the most expensive malls.I have dated many women from all over Colombia in the past 10 years and to avoid the above, just pass on the barrios chicas and ones with Kids, Contrary to popular belief, you can find hot, professional women in Colombia that will not ask for a dime from you and give great GFE. You just have to do your research. Most guys think with a Dingle only, so a poor barrio chica gets them motoring. We all have been lured in by this and it ends up costing a lot more then just paying by the hour, but you go after a more educated women, she usually does not need your help. Last time I paid for more then food and drink, which I would need anyway, was maybe 5 years ago. I still buy them little gifts, but cell phones, expensive clothes, plastic surgery, give me a break, you are only proliferating the problem.

Menteng
02-24-10, 15:02
I'm a foreigner, living in Medellin with a Colombian wife on a (second) visa that is valid for two years. That visa is glued on one of the pages in my passport.

My passport expires at the end of this year while my visa will expire a couple of months after that. That means that when I renew my passport, the old one will be destroyed with the visa(s) in it.

One of you recognize this situation and what was the sequel to that?

Me going to the DAS might give an answer, but before going there I'd like to have some knowledge.

Mr Enternational
02-24-10, 18:11
here in bogota, it is not the norm for a boyfriend to help out his girlfriend financially. that's a whole nother level of relationship. generally the mutual financial support doesn't kick in unless the two people in question are cohabitating. you got a real bad egg there.
the people in most latin countries are poor. this is not the united states. the father doesn't normally support their children because they are poor. to a certain extent, us gringos take advantage of this. having a gf in latin society implies that you help them out financially. what you said was cold!with my experience it is not the norm for a boyfriend in la society to give his girlfriend money (unless by boyfriend you mean gringo boyfriend). if it is, then where is all this money coming from? is it that the men have money but the women don't? if they are too poor to support their kids how are they handing out sums to a girlfriend that we as gringos are sometimes asked for? i have had a lion's share of girlfriends from mexico, central america, south america, and the dr. the average everyday lady will not ask a man for money, and many insist on carrying a fair share of the load (e. g. paying half or sometimes all). this especially holds true when they are the least bit educated.

around october i called myself trying to deal with a woman about 40 years old who had a nice ass apartment in the north of bogota. she did not have a job. i think her ex-husband was still paying for the place. she was just itching to get married again. why? imho because she was a sorry, lazy broad who wanted someone to take care of her. which is probably why her husband left her in the first place. i told her that it makes more sense to meet someone then decide you want to marry that person. not to decide you want to get married and afterwards find a person that is willing to do it with you.

long story short, i took her, her mom, and her son (who is 20 years old in college studying architecture and has a son as well) to eat sunday dinner. when their driver friend was dropping me at my hotel she asked me for money for her son to get some copies he needed for school. i told her i didn't have money for that. she said, "no problem. we will just go to the atm again. " she told her friend, without approval or acknowledgement from me, to stop at the atm that was near my hotel. i got out of the car and asked how much the copies were going to cost. she told me to get 100,000 pesos. i damn near cursed her out. i had just spent 75,000 pesos feeding her family and she wanted me to just hand them 100,000 more pesos. not the kid. i could see where this was headed so i decided to chalk it up and take the loss. i proceeded to walk the block to my hotel without looking back. now if you are going to tell me this type of thing is normal then i have a 1968 black and white floor model tv to sell you.

i think it is more an issue of home training. whenever i came to cali i would stay at my ex-girlfriend's house. she is now 19 years old. her parents do not have money. her dad is a concrete worker and her mom sews at home. they would always insist i stay at their house and not pay for a hotel when i was dating their daughter. her mom always made 3 meals/day and they would never think of accepting money from me. i went by there last night as a matter of fact. they have gotten a new decorative sofa that is smaller than the old casual one was. so i jokingly asked her mom where was i supposed to sleep now.

when i returned from there last night i talked to an old flame who was going to come by so we could go out about 11:30pm. she ended up not being able to make it; i forget the reason she told me. then this morning she called and apologized that she could not make it. she said the real reason was that she didn't have any money in her purse but she thought she would be able to scrape enough up to come see me. she said she was sorry but she was ashamed to tell me she didn't have any money. i told her that i understood but she did not need any money because i would have paid for the taxi. she repeated that she was really ashamed to tell me. then she invited me to come to her house for lunch.

now, i don't mind paying to take people out, buying them unsolicited gifts, paying for buses and taxis and things of that sort. but to give out cash, i'm just not seeing it. if i give them milk money on monday how are they going to get it for the next six days? (hint: from me again!) the most i am accustomed to a non-pro asking for is a souvenir from some place. now if it was someone i was very close to like my ex here in cali; if something happened and she needed money for school then gladly i would see what i could do. but to hand out money because a girl who i am trying to get to know had a kid with a deadbeat dad i will never do. if we are already fucking then i bring up the hooker line. if not, then i just distance myself from them. i refuse to let them straddle the fence. either you are gf or you are p4p. can't be both.

by the way, the one in barranquilla who asked me for money the other day is back on the train. all it took for me was to stop answering her calls and texts for a couple of days. she has apologized for asking me for money and says that she really likes me and she misses me and wants to be with me. i'm telling you man, you have to nip that shit in the bud. don't let it linger. you have to make it so there will be no doubt in their mind that you will not be the one to play those games with them. remember, there are too many more of them the same place that you got that one from. be able to discern who wants you from who wants your money.

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Hioctane
02-24-10, 19:49
Bro if you want a Gf in Colombia be prepared to deal with her kids expenses and maybe her family's as well. As HighO said, poor girls really need support, if you really love the girl 50k is not a reason to act like a cheap bastard. You wanted to play that game have to deal with it or forget about it, BFs are gone and they are on their own, You may know it, so free sex is out of the menu most of the time in this loving continent. At least this girl ask for her kids, some others ask for plastic surgery and shopping tours to the most expensive malls.I actually prefer they say that they need it for plastic surgery or shopping. That way I can say no without guilt. I just don't like that they use kids as an excuse. If you don't want the problem.. don't have 3 kids before you turn 18! LOL. I don't like to deny kids, but it makes me mad when they use that excuse and they are probably using that same excuse for every extrano they meet.

LocoGringo
02-24-10, 22:44
I have a Colombian visa (permanent) and renewed my US passport. They US) sent my old passport back with the Visa intact, no problema. I also found it cheaper to say I am in Colombia as a tourist as long as I am staying less than 30 days.

Artisttyp
02-24-10, 22:51
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational] I had just spent 75, 000 pesos feeding her family and she wanted me to just hand them 100, 000 more pesos. Not the kid. I could see where this was headed so I decided to chalk it up and take the loss. I proceeded to walk the block to my hotel without looking back.

-You seem like a very nice guy. Someone like myself would have never given them a cent more. The fact that U-turned your back on them walking back to your hotel means nothing. They are 100k richer. I wish that's all it took to make $50 in NYC.

I think it is more an issue of home training. Whenever I came to Cali I would stay at my ex-girlfriend's house. She is now 19 years old. I refuse to let them straddle the fence. Either you are GF or you are P4P. Can't be both.

-It's not my business but how old are you? "She is now 19". There is no such thing at true love between an adult man and a 19 yr old. You and her have absolutely NOTHING in common. It's all about money and "what can you do for me"? You can find that in most Medellin casas. Why make it difficult when it doesn't have to be?

You have to make it so there will be no doubt in their mind that you will not be the one to play those games with them. Remember, there are too many more of them the same place that you got that one from. Be able to discern who wants you from who wants your money.

-You seem like a really nice guy with a heart. I'd keep it under a lock and key while mongering.

Of course this is ALL IMHO.

Mr Enternational
02-24-10, 23:42
I'm a foreigner, living in Medellin with a Colombian wife on a (second) visa that is valid for two years. That visa is glued on one of the pages in my passport.

My passport expires at the end of this year while my visa will expire a couple of months after that. That means that when I renew my passport, the old one will be destroyed with the visa(s) in it.

One of you recognize this situation and what was the sequel to that?

Me going to the DAS might give an answer, but before going there I'd like to have some knowledge.They do not destroy the passport. They only cancel/invalidate it and give it back to you. They know that it contains visas that do not run concurrent with the passport expiration. But just to be safe let them know that you have a visa and in it and you must have it back.

Member #3435
02-25-10, 02:11
I write this with a lot of hesitation since the last time I mentioned the overland security issue in some rural parts of Colombia several posters said I was full of it. So, this is not intended to deter travel to Colombia, just to reiterate and put the info out there. Principally for the newbies. That some areas of Colombia IMO, shouldn't be travelled overland. Particulaly in the southwest allthough there are other areas as well.

For about the past five days Caracol TV & the papers have reported almost daily separate FARC ambushes & hot skirmishes between the the FARC & the Army in the departments of Narino, Cauca & El Valle but quite frankly I didn't recognize any of the names of Municipalities mentioned so I wasn't prompted to post about it.

Well today, all over the Colombian news reports is the story of the the large truck that was ambushed by the FARC on the Panamerican Highway between Cali & Papoyan in Cauca. Two dead. Army responded. Lots of bomb material left behind by the FARC was found nearby. This is normally a secure highway travelled daily by the local population and intercity commercial traffic.

Be smart & have fun, Schwmm

Ricker
02-25-10, 02:29
By the way, the one in Barranquilla who asked me for money the other day is back on the train. All it took for me was to stop answering her calls and texts for a couple of days. She has apologized for asking me for money and says that she really likes me and she misses me and wants to be with me. I'm telling you man, you have to nip that shit in the bud. Don't let it linger. You have to make it so there will be no doubt in their mind that you will not be the one to play those games with them. Remember, there are too many more of them the same place that you got that one from. Be able to discern who wants you from who wants your money.Hmmmm. A tiger don't change it's stripes amigo.

It's your deal, but I wouldn't trust that chica for un segundo.

Good luck.

Hioctane
02-25-10, 03:53
Mr Enternational and Zippy,

Thanks for your enlightening thoughts on this subject.

I'll have to keep this in mind!

Dealdo
02-25-10, 06:46
I actually prefer they say that they need it for plastic surgery or shopping. That way I can say no without guilt. I just don't like that they use kids as an excuse. If you don't want the problem. Don't have 3 kids before U-turn 18! LOL. I don't like to deny kids, but it makes me mad when they use that excuse and they are probably using that same excuse for every extrano they meet.Well well to much mess. I really don't care about Gfs and their plays or not plays. I keep, my self far from them, no need all the complications and stuff, if you guys give them money or deny it is part of your private life, No dramas and scams for me, you guys can have them all =). I just notice they use a lot the gringos in general. But everybody do what they please. That's why we have freedom of action. Lets go back to talking about sex baby.

Menteng
02-25-10, 15:56
LocoGringo and Mr Enternational,

Thanks for the info. I feel much more comfortable now.

John Gault
02-28-10, 20:58
In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.

In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo. Lima would almost come close if you did not have to use so many taxi's while breathing all the pollution.

If only a LDV in MDE and I don't think I would ever leave.

Matter of fact I am in BAQ right now and I think I will cut this visit short and head back to Mayorista pronto.

Hioctane
03-01-10, 18:31
In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.

In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo. Lima would almost come close if you did not have to use so many taxi's while breathing all the pollution.

If only a LDV in MDE and I don't think I would ever leave.

Matter of fact I am in BAQ right now and I think I will cut this visit short and head back to Mayorista pronto.I'm beginning to think that maybe not having a LDV in MDE is a blessing in disguise. It would attract the casual sex tourist and MDE will end being like Cartegena or Costa Rica.

AddictedToWomen
03-01-10, 22:23
I'm a foreigner, living in Medellin with a Colombian wife on a (second) visa that is valid for two years. That visa is glued on one of the pages in my passport.

My passport expires at the end of this year while my visa will expire a couple of months after that. That means that when I renew my passport, the old one will be destroyed with the visa(s) in it.

One of you recognize this situation and what was the sequel to that?

Me going to the DAS might give an answer, but before going there I'd like to have some knowledge.This doesn't sound quite right.

With the first spousal visa you should have gone to DAS and got a 2 year CE. I think this CE can then be converted into a residence visa after that time, though I don't know how that works.

Mr Enternational
03-02-10, 00:29
In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.

In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo.You are telling me. I am in Lima right now and my room is only 35 soles (23, 000 pesos). Beats the 85, 000 and 90, 000 pesos I was paying in Colombia. But I have to admit after being to 60+ countries that Colombia has the most beautiful women on the planet.

BayBoy
03-02-10, 02:06
In the last 38 months, two trips to Cali, a bunch more to CTG and BAQ and Santa Marta, two to San Andres and three visits to MDE I can say without a single doubt in my mind that MDE rules. I would also include Lima, Costa Rica and the DR in the mix.

In the other places except Lima I spend double the money on rooms and sexo. Lima would almost come close if you did not have to use so many taxi's while breathing all the pollution.

If only a LDV in MDE and I don't think I would ever leave.

Matter of fact I am in BAQ right now and I think I will cut this visit short and head back to Mayorista pronto.I agree 100% Vics Picks. I too have been to Lima, CR, DR plus Rio and Buenos Aires. Medellin is the best place for the money. When it comes to selection, chica choice, sexo options, day and night action, cost basis and looks Medellin is #1. Bogota is too big for me, plus I dont like the weather. Cartagena is a great environment, but the prices are too high for me.

Viva Medellin may it stay the way it is.

SlamCity7777
03-02-10, 04:50
I'm beginning to think that maybe not having a LDV in MDE is a blessing in disguise. It would attract the casual sex tourist and MDE will end being like Cartegena or Costa Rica.I'm sorry I can't find LDV on the abbreviation list; it is what?

Yes, I would hate to see Mede lose it's charm that I have become so enamored with.

Hioctane
03-02-10, 08:19
I'm sorry I can't find LDV on the abbreviation list; it is what?

Yes, I would hate to see Mede lose it's charm that I have become so enamored with.It's a freelance club in Cartegena, something that Medellin lacks.

Manizales911
03-02-10, 14:59
I'm beginning to think that maybe not having a LDV in MDE is a blessing in disguise. It would attract the casual sex tourist and MDE will end being like Cartegena or Costa Rica.Hioctane,

Very good point indeed. I always thought that Medellin needed a place like LDV but now I am glad it doesn't. Even though Medellin gets its share of non-spanish speaking gringos it is limited because navigating the "scene" would be very intimidating for most people, I would never try it in my early days, my first few trips to Colombia were to Cartagena. Now that I speak enough spanish to get around I don't go to Cartagena because the prices for food and lodging are too high.

John Gault
03-02-10, 15:02
I'm sorry I can't find LDV on the abbreviation list; it is what?

Yes, I would hate to see Mede lose it's charm that I have become so enamored with.La Dolce Vita is One of the most famous pickup bars in South America. Located in CTG it has many stunners to be had with no bar fine. The starting price they mostly likely ask is $100 but can be gotten for much less with a little effort.

Max Mojo
03-02-10, 17:19
La Dolce Vida (LDV) is a dance club in Cartagena that has free lancers for take out. It's kinda ground zero for the monger scene in the city.

John Gault
03-02-10, 17:55
Newbe check list

After learning many things the hard way I thought I would share some info on helpful travel hints.

1. Before you depart call all banks and credit companys about your plans. Get the international phone numbers for any problems once you are in place. Have at least 2 different ATM cards.

Bring some cash also. Your call depending on how long your trip will B.

2. Keep a list of friends and family phone numbers you may need to call if problems arise.

3. Make a couple of copies of your passport photo page. Do not carry your passport unless you must as a copy will do most anywhere except the airport.

4. Pack so you can only use carry on bags. This will save you time at the airport and also no worry about bags. I have had my bags lost twice and it took each time 2 days to get them back with an extra trip to the airport to retrieve them.

5. At the airport keep most of your cash hidden on your person as this is a most dangerous time for you as crooks know you did not come to their country without money in your pocket.

6. For longer stays get an apartment, for short stays always get a girl friendly hotel close to the action.

7. Never fool around with girls who work at your hotel. I can not stress this enough.

8. Check ISG often on your laptop. Yes a laptop is a great tool for info and down time.

9. Try and hook up with other more experienced Mongers if possible. At the least you will save money on cabs, and no doubt learn a lot from a experienced hand. Also take cabs to bad areas that you visit.

10. At places you want to return get the card. It is way better to show a cab driver a card than use your most likely limited Spanish.

11. Try and learn at least some basic Spanish like numbers and greetings and such. Better yet take a course before you leave home

12. If you are with a person who is from the country you are at and it comes time to get a price on goods or services it would be wise to lay back so the other party does not give a Gringo price

13.. Be a good fellow to the girls you meet. Treat them like a lady and you will be rewarded with most likely good service.

14. Don't over pay or over tip the working girls. Do not spoil things for other Mongers.

15. Try as best as you can to blend in to the local scene. Don't wear shorts to night clubs

16. If you get drunk in a bar you are now a possible target for bad guys. Yes they are out there and are watching for easy prey.

17. This one should have been closer to the top. If you are in for a long stay and are tired the first night then go to bed. Yeah I know you want action, but for me I always wish I would have taken it easy the first night. For you way younger guys you can disregard this warning.

18. Very important. Have fun, this is your time. Make the best of it. If you make a mistake don't sweat it just move on.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Ricker
03-02-10, 18:59
... I have to admit after being to 60+ countries that Colombia has the most beautiful women on the planet.It's all about personal tastes amigo.

I'd give Venezuela at least an equal rating if not better and Brazil ain't lagging too far behind either.

Menteng
03-02-10, 23:56
This doesn't sound quite right.

With the first spousal visa you should have gone to DAS and got a 2 year CE. I think this CE can then be converted into a residence visa after that time, though I don't know how that works.After the second consecutive CE, issued after a second Visa, glued in one's passport, one can opt for residence. I'm in the second CE fase now. Only, like I posted before, my passport, with the second visa in it, will expire before I complete the 4 years. In the past, when the townhall destroys my old passport, I didnt bother. But now I will need an undamaged page where the visa is attached.

Member #3435
03-03-10, 01:26
Newbe check list

17. This one should have been closer to the top. If you are in for a long stay and are tired the first night then go to bed. Yeah I know you want action, but for me I always wish I would have taken it easy the first night. For you way younger guys you can disregard this warning.I think this point (#17, above) is one of the best tips, regardless of age.

I always spend my first few hours; #1 of course, geting settled in the room and then #2, provided I haven't arrive too late in the day, going to the supermarket and stocking up on my supplies: Food, juice, coffee supplies, several litres of good Chilean wine, beer, sodas H20, etc. etc, etc.

You don' have to fuck anything and everying that moves as fast as possible.

Just me I guess.

Schwmm

Manizales911
03-03-10, 04:51
Newbe check list

After learning many things the hard way I thought I would share some info on helpful travel hints.

1. Before you depart call all banks and credit companys about your plans. Get the international phone numbers for any problems once you are in place. Have at least 2 different ATM cards.

Bring some cash also. Your call depending on how long your trip will B.

2. Keep a list of friends and family phone numbers you may need to call if problems arise.

3. Make a couple of copies of your passport photo page. Do not carry your passport unless you must as a copy will do most anywhere except the airport.

4. Pack so you can only use carry on bags. This will save you time at the airport and also no worry about bags. I have had my bags lost twice and it took each time 2 days to get them back with an extra trip to the airport to retrieve them.

5. At the airport keep most of your cash hidden on your person as this is a most dangerous time for you as crooks know you did not come to their country without money in your pocket.

6. For longer stays get an apartment, for short stays always get a girl friendly hotel close to the action.

7. Never fool around with girls who work at your hotel. I can not stress this enough.

8. Check ISG often on your laptop. Yes a laptop is a great tool for info and down time.

9. Try and hook up with other more experienced Mongers if possible. At the least you will save money on cabs, and no doubt learn a lot from a experienced hand. Also take cabs to bad areas that you visit.

10. At places you want to return get the card. It is way better to show a cab driver a card than use your most likely limited Spanish.

11. Try and learn at least some basic Spanish like numbers and greetings and such. Better yet take a course before you leave home

12. If you are with a person who is from the country you are at and it comes time to get a price on goods or services it would be wise to lay back so the other party does not give a Gringo price

13.. Be a good fellow to the girls you meet. Treat them like a lady and you will be rewarded with most likely good service.

14. Don't over pay or over tip the working girls. Do not spoil things for other Mongers.

15. Try as best as you can to blend in to the local scene. Don't wear shorts to night clubs

16. If you get drunk in a bar you are now a possible target for bad guys. Yes they are out there and are watching for easy prey.

17. This one should have been closer to the top. If you are in for a long stay and are tired the first night then go to bed. Yeah I know you want action, but for me I always wish I would have taken it easy the first night. For you way younger guys you can disregard this warning.

18. Very important. Have fun, this is your time. Make the best of it. If you make a mistake don't sweat it just move on.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Excellent advise Vics, only one question,please explain #7,why no messing with the hotel help?

SlamCity7777
03-03-10, 05:12
Big thanks to all of the gentlemen who replied to my post about "La Docle Vida". Very kind of you.

I love this board almost as much as I love Colombia. Well no, but you get what I mean.

Enjoy fellas, I'm shooting for April return!

Bango Cheito
03-03-10, 06:16
Messing with the hotel help is an excellent way to get robbed.

John Gault
03-03-10, 15:03
Excellent advise Vics, only one question,please explain #7,why no messing with the hotel help?How could you bring other girls into your room once you are involved with a staff member. It doesn't matter if they are off that day.There is nothing that goes on in a hotel that is not passed on to interested partys.

Ricker
03-04-10, 03:09
How could you bring other girls into your room once you are involved with a staff member. It doesn't matter if they are off that day.There is nothing that goes on in a hotel that is not passed on to interested partys.You said it brother!

Same reason I stay away from chicas in my work-place.

Too close and too much chitter chatter.

John Gault
03-05-10, 18:14
A lot has been said lately about safety in Colombia. Mostly newbes a little to lazy to read the board. I want to bring up a point on this issue that I think is being overlooked a bit. To me the number one saftey issue in So. America is getting run over on the street by the most agressive drivers I have ever seen. I walk a lot so maybe it is more apparent to me than maybe you other guys. Just the other day I looked both ways and the coast was clear to cross a street in BAQ. No sooner did I step in the street came a car around the corner. Still plenty of time for me to cross, but this Bastard steped on the gas and aimed right for me. I had to really hustle to just make it to the other side of the street. This has happened to me many time over here.

Yes sure there are bad guys to worry about, but IMHO the most pressing danger here is walking across the street. No kidding, I really mean this.

AddictedToWomen
03-06-10, 01:14
Newbe check listI would add:

# Have the hotel empty the mini bar on arrival, especially if you are planning to invite anyone back. Visit the local supermarket to stock up at a reasonable price.

Manizales911
03-06-10, 05:37
A lot has been said lately about safety in Colombia. Mostly newbes a little to lazy to read the board. I want to bring up a point on this issue that I think is being overlooked a bit. To me the number one saftey issue in So. America is getting run over on the street by the most agressive drivers I have ever seen. I walk a lot so maybe it is more apparent to me than maybe you other guys. Just the other day I looked both ways and the coast was clear to cross a street in BAQ. No sooner did I step in the street came a car around the corner. Still plenty of time for me to cross, but this Bastard steped on the gas and aimed right for me. I had to really hustle to just make it to the other side of the street. This has happened to me many time over here.

Yes sure there are bad guys to worry about, but IMHO the most pressing danger here is walking across the street. No kidding, I really mean this.Good point. I never ever walk across the street,I run across even if there are no cars in sight. When they see an obvious gringo like me it turns into a sport for them.

John Gault
03-06-10, 19:28
I would add:

# Have the hotel empty the mini bar on arrival, especially if you are planning to invite anyone back. Visit the local supermarket to stock up at a reasonable price.I just had a Chica have fun with my mini bar.

Maybe in the back of my mind I made this list up so other guys would add to it and I would pick up good intel.

Gagoo
03-07-10, 04:11
I'm making plans to go to Columbia for the first time, I'm American and my Canadian friend will me meet there. We don't know more than a few dozen Spanish words.

Of course part of the trip is find girls and otherwise have fun and we want to be and feel safe. We are looking at about an 8 or 9 day trip. Would we be better off going to Cartagena or Medellin? And why? Are they about the same prices for food, drinks and ladies?

Is a bus trip or plane trip to each other reasonable?

Thanks for any info.

Gagoo
03-07-10, 21:02
Cartagena is at least twice as expensive as Medellin for accomodations, food, entertainment, and girls. It is far and away the most expensive city in Colombia. You can plan on spending a minimum of $250.00 dollars a day not counting the cost of your accomodations if you want to party on the beach and in the bars each day/night.

I suggest you go to Medellin and stay at the Casa Blanca (Mansion or El Castillo), or stay at Franks Place, or possibly Parceros Penthouse where you will be able to communicate with many others in similar situations as you, and be around others who know the lay of the land.Thanks for the info, I'll look into staying at those places. And do some more research.

Artisttyp
03-08-10, 17:40
I just had a Chica have fun with my mini bar.

Maybe in the back of my mind I made this list up so other guys would add to it and I would pick up good intel.Vic,

You forgot to mention the monger "doosh bag" . Never leave your hotel without it.

Contents:

Alcohol Wipes
Listerine strips (enough for two)
Condoms
Hand lotion
Mouth Wash
Gum
* Pen and Paper (can't stress this enough)
A city map
Roll on fragrance oil
Smokes/ Lighter

Bango Cheito
03-08-10, 21:57
I would add to this almond oil, best lubrication on the planet!


Vic,

You forgot to mention the monger "doosh bag" . Never leave your hotel without it.

Contents:

Alcohol Wipes
Listerine strips (enough for two)
Condoms
Hand lotion
Mouth Wash
Gum
* Pen and Paper (can't stress this enough)
A city map
Roll on fragrance oil
Smokes/ Lighter

Sky Jump
03-08-10, 22:29
Hi Guys,

Just got back in to Bucuramanga and looking for any current info. Going to be here for a week para gliding and would like to have some fun and prefer casa as my spanish is pretty bad.

in San Gil if you go do stay at Hotel Victoria. Stayed there last year and again this week. Great rates and nice people

last year the suite with fully stocked bar, AC, cable and dvd ect $40mil

This week took a private without AC but had nice small room with cable ect $20mil a night. It's less then the back packers are paying in some of the dorms there. i figure they don't need to know. Why screw it up for the rest of us.

Was talking with a local friend yesterday and he told me they just opened up a new casa bar just out of down. it's across the river hang a left and one kick out of town. Taxi should be able to get you there. I had also been told before there where a few casa's out that way along the river.

Happy hunting,

Sky

Sky Jump
03-08-10, 22:49
Just reading thru the last cpl weeks of Post.

Want to confirm I was also just told by a local and an expat I know living here that things are a little hot between Cali and the Border of Ecuador.

They both said by NO MEANS travel at Night at this time in those areas.

Happy hunting,

Sky

AddictedToWomen
03-08-10, 23:32
I just had a Chica have fun with my mini bar.That'll cost ya more that the fucking!

Caballero Oscuro
03-09-10, 06:32
I'm making plans to go to Columbia for the first time, I'm American and my Canadian friend will me meet there. We don't know more than a few dozen Spanish words.

Of course part of the trip is find girls and otherwise have fun and we want to be and feel safe. We are looking at about an 8 or 9 day trip. Would we be better off going to Cartagena or Medellin? And why? Are they about the same prices for food, drinks and ladies?

Is a bus trip or plane trip to each other reasonable?

Thanks for any info.I'm not trying to deter you from visiting Colombia, but you may want to delay your visit until you've enchanced you language skills at the very least. I've been to 6 different cities in the country and I am in love with the chicas, culture, cuisine, and music of the country. I am Colombia's biggest fan, but I am fully aware of risks I take with every visit. While me and my two traveling buddies always take precautions (dress down, no jewelry, minimal English when on the streets at night, etc.), even the most savy and street smart traveler can find himself in a dangerous situation in this country. Anyone who says the country is safe is either not well informed or is seriously over confident. My last trip I met an expat who was robbed at gunpoint in Parque Lleras at 7pm on a busy street. One of my good friends from grad. School, a Paisita that studied in the USA, told me that most of the people in her family have been robbed. Her dad travels with a bodyguard in an armored car at all times. She told me I was crazy when I told her I go to El Centro and she cussed me out for telling her I was going to Comuna 13. Granted her family has money, but when rateros see gringos. They see plata. If you're speaking English you might as well be a wealthy Colombian businessman.

I would highly recommend that you visit the DR, Costa Rica or even Lima prior to Colombia. Speaking only a few dozen words of Spanish is not going to get it done in MDE, Cali or BAQ. You would probably be ok in CTG, but I would definitely recommend getting some experience in another LA destination first if you already haven't done so. If you decide to go. Do not under any circumstances take a bus between MDE and CTG. Any Colombian that can afford to pay for the flight will fly. Aires has very reasonable flights between the two cities, but you will have to do a BOG stop over. I have traveled by bus, but only along the coast from CTG to BAQ and Santa Marta. The trip was incident free, but extremely eye opening as to the severity of the poverty in Colombia once you head east of the Rio Magdalena in BAQ. I'm from Detroit. I don't scare easily, but Colombia is not a place to take lightly.

John Gault
03-09-10, 14:01
Vic,

You forgot to mention the monger "doosh bag" . Never leave your hotel without it.

Contents:

Alcohol Wipes
Listerine strips (enough for two)
Condoms
Hand lotion
Mouth Wash
Gum
* Pen and Paper (can't stress this enough)
A city map
Roll on fragrance oil
Smokes/ LighterAha, the alcohol wipes. You may have to explain that one to some of our newer friends.

Hioctane
03-09-10, 16:35
I'm not trying to deter you from visiting Colombia, but you may want to delay your visit until you've enchanced you language skills at the very least. I've been to 6 different cities in the country and I am in love with the chicas, culture, cuisine, and music of the country. I am Colombia's biggest fan, but I am fully aware of risks I take with every visit. While me and my two traveling buddies always take precautions (dress down, no jewelry, minimal English when on the streets at night, etc.), even the most savy and street smart traveler can find himself in a dangerous situation in this country. Anyone who says the country is safe is either not well informed or is seriously over confident. My last trip I met an expat who was robbed at gunpoint in Parque Lleras at 7pm on a busy street. One of my good friends from grad. School, a Paisita that studied in the USA, told me that most of the people in her family have been robbed. Her dad travels with a bodyguard in an armored car at all times. She told me I was crazy when I told her I go to El Centro and she cussed me out for telling her I was going to Comuna 13. Granted her family has money, but when rateros see gringos. They see plata. If you're speaking English you might as well be a wealthy Colombian businessman.

I would highly recommend that you visit the DR, Costa Rica or even Lima prior to Colombia. Speaking only a few dozen words of Spanish is not going to get it done in MDE, Cali or BAQ. You would probably be ok in CTG, but I would definitely recommend getting some experience in another LA destination first if you already haven't done so. If you decide to go. Do not under any circumstances take a bus between MDE and CTG. Any Colombian that can afford to pay for the flight will fly. Aires has very reasonable flights between the two cities, but you will have to do a BOG stop over. I have traveled by bus, but only along the coast from CTG to BAQ and Santa Marta. The trip was incident free, but extremely eye opening as to the severity of the poverty in Colombia once you head east of the Rio Magdalena in BAQ. I'm from Detroit. I don't scare easily, but Colombia is not a place to take lightly.Gagoo,

Not true. Spanish is useful, but not necessary. Go to a gringo hotel. Mansion, Frank's, Parcero's, etc. The owners are more than willing to take you around. The gringos who patron them are also more than willing to wing for a newbie. Going by bus from MDE to CTG is doable but not advisable for your first time. It's 14+ hours I think. Also, it depends on your route. Some places you don't want to pass through. You won't know what they are until you get there and talk to some locals.

PaisaPimp
03-09-10, 16:56
This is not true at all. I Live from age 0 to 11 in Medellin from age 11 to 20 in USA now I live back in Colombia for almost 6 years and I have never been Robbed here in Colombia. My advise any country you go just keep the low profile.


I'm not trying to deter you from visiting Colombia, but you may want to delay your visit until you've enchanced you language skills at the very least. I've been to 6 different cities in the country and I am in love with the chicas, culture, cuisine, and music of the country. I am Colombia's biggest fan, but I am fully aware of risks I take with every visit. While me and my two traveling buddies always take precautions (dress down, no jewelry, minimal English when on the streets at night, etc.), even the most savy and street smart traveler can find himself in a dangerous situation in this country. Anyone who says the country is safe is either not well informed or is seriously over confident. My last trip I met an expat who was robbed at gunpoint in Parque Lleras at 7pm on a busy street. One of my good friends from grad. School, a Paisita that studied in the USA, told me that most of the people in her family have been robbed. Her dad travels with a bodyguard in an armored car at all times. She told me I was crazy when I told her I go to El Centro and she cussed me out for telling her I was going to Comuna 13. Granted her family has money, but when rateros see gringos. They see plata. If you're speaking English you might as well be a wealthy Colombian businessman.

I would highly recommend that you visit the DR, Costa Rica or even Lima prior to Colombia. Speaking only a few dozen words of Spanish is not going to get it done in MDE, Cali or BAQ. You would probably be ok in CTG, but I would definitely recommend getting some experience in another LA destination first if you already haven't done so. If you decide to go. Do not under any circumstances take a bus between MDE and CTG. Any Colombian that can afford to pay for the flight will fly. Aires has very reasonable flights between the two cities, but you will have to do a BOG stop over. I have traveled by bus, but only along the coast from CTG to BAQ and Santa Marta. The trip was incident free, but extremely eye opening as to the severity of the poverty in Colombia once you head east of the Rio Magdalena in BAQ. I'm from Detroit. I don't scare easily, but Colombia is not a place to take lightly.

Siwash
03-09-10, 19:15
Hi guys,

I thought I would share my brief impressions of the 2 weeks I spent in Colombia in January.

I went there speaking 0 Spanish really. Spent 4 nights in Bogota banged 3 non pros.

Spent 5 nights in Cartagena. Banged 3 non pros, and had several other dates and other women lined up but didn't pan out. Mostly due to my lack of Spanish.

Spent 4 nights in Medellin, fell in love with the city and a wonderful woman there and I plan another visit soon. I did a few things I consider smart. I stayed close to home after 10 at night. I didn't talk to any Colombian men other than the ones working at my apartment building.

I kept to myself, stayed away from chicas that seemed like trouble and had the time of my life.

Now keep in mind I read almost every post here from the past 2 years before I went, so I had some idea of what not top do and where to avoid.

I also was aware that anything could happen at any time.

Looking forward to my next trip!

Caballero Oscuro
03-10-10, 00:38
This is not true at all. I Live from age 0 to 11 in Medellin from age 11 to 20 in USA now I live back in Colombia for almost 6 years and I have never been Robbed here in Colombia. my advise any country you go just keep the low profile.I never said that everyone gets robbed. I've personally have never been robbed or threatened in Colombia. I merely stated that a good friend, a MDE native, has told me that nearly all of her immediate family has been robbed at some point in the city. I have no reason to believe that she would lie to me about this. The safety situation has improved significantly from the 90s, so maybe her view of her own city is clouded by the past. But nonetheless I am conveying what I've been told and what I have seen. I think anyone posting asking for help should be informed of the negatives and positives. I think it is completely unfair to newbies to just gloss over the very legitimate safety issues. Let people make informed decisions.

Staying at the Mansion and hanging out with other gringos would certainly mitigate the language issue, but personally I never understood why anyone would leave gringolandia on a trip just to meet other gringos and do fish in a barrel mongering. Just my opinion.

Member #3435
03-10-10, 01:38
This is not true at all. I Live from age 0 to 11 in Medellin from age 11 to 20 in USA now I live back in Colombia for almost 6 years and I have never been Robbed here in Colombia. my advise any country you go just keep the low profile.Oh God, where to start?

Your situation & experience has no relevance to what these guys bring. These are two first timers with virtually no Spanish. A street sense that is innate and instinctive to you would be nonexistant for them.

Agree with Hioctane in that the Mansion or Franks would be the exception, or the only smart way to do it with no Spanish. There, anyone can hook up with a hot chica within the confines of a large private residence with lots of English speakers around that you can meet up with if you want to make a foray to the clubs or Mayorista.

Also agree that travelling overland 14 hrs between MDE & CTG would be dumb. It's too arduous and shit CAN happen. Even you carefully choose your trips during only daylight hours what's to say the bus couldn't have a problem along the way and you're stuck out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere after sunset. I doubt any highway robbers or insurgents would understand.

If you want to do some cool overland stuff then tour the Eje Cafetero, Armenia. Pereira. Manizales. The towns are only about 70 km apart, the scenery is spectacular, the roads (once you're out of the cities) are very good and they are secure. It IS the real Colombia. And there are chicas to be had. Especially in Pereira.

Blacknight is absolutely correct.

Enough said, it's all been said before on these various threads. Anyone who down plays the security concern in Colombia is doing a disservice to the unwary traveller.

HelLOOO! It's Colombia!

All the best, Schwmm

Bango Cheito
03-10-10, 04:53
i would not travel by land south of cali this point at any hour. it's too dangerous. a friend of mine almost died in january. 5 crazy motherfuckers with guns tried to blockade the van (he was touring with a band) and when the van didn't stop they rep001tered and the opened fire on the vehicle. the driver had his cheek grazed by a bullet.

detroit is on the whole more dangerous than just about anywhere in colombia, but the difference is in detroit there are really safe areas and really fucked up areas and everybody knows where they are. in colombian cities, crime is a lot more democratic. it can hit you in the best of surroundings.


just reading thru the last cpl weeks of post.

want to confirm i was also just told by a local and an expat i know living here that things are a little hot between cali and the border of ecuador.

they both said by no means travel at night at this time in those areas.

happy hunting,

sky

Cream on Top
03-10-10, 13:09
A new treat is occuring nowadays to victimize tourists. An old guy presents himself as a tourist, asking a road or something else. This happens MID DAY in bright daylight! Meanwhile, a few feet away, another guy is observing and listening what answers are been given to the old man. Once the old man get a reply to make understand he is talking to a tourist, the "other" guy comes into action. Showing a false Police ID to you and the old man, and asks you and the old man to follow him for a police interrogation. The "other" guy is well dressed with a tie and everything, but in civil clothings. Presenting himself as an undercover agent to protect tourists and people against drug abuse and sales of drugs on the street. Once you follow him (you and the old guy), there will be explained, the police interrogation in the police station will take 2 upto 3 hours, and "if" you like, you can handle the interrogation a block (or something) away from the "fake" police station to win time. You are demanded to show your passport, open your bag (or anything you carry with you) for a check up. They take notice of your passport number, name, want your home address (a complete set up to make it look realistic). Others are into the game as well, once you make allegations you do not belief him. Same "gogo" with men having false police ID's. They take your passport and move on so you cannot see him anymore, return after a few minutes and tel you the station now is looking for information about your passport meanwhile they ask you how much money you have with you. Want you to show the money. They also ask the old man to do the same (who is standing next to you). As an example the old man gives a bunch of US dollars to the fake Police officer. He looks at the dollars and tells the old man, he will return in a few minutes with his money. And so he does. (it is to verify the serial numbers of the dollar bills). Next are YOU! You will do, as the old man (believe me! They are "VERY" convincing). Once you counted your money in front of them, they will take over the money (as they did with the old man, to check the numbers on the bills), then you can start to panic, but it is too late! He turns away from you (so you see his back and made a few passes away from you), you ask him to come back, because you do not longer trust the situation. But in the meantime they will have taken out money from your bundle you gave to him. (and not the outside bills, but from within the "inside"). He will return, to show trust in you! Hands over to you your money again. You will put away your money "immediately" without counting it, because you know, its not safe to show off your money on the street like that. He will tell you, that you "seem" ok, and will bring you back to the spot where you have been first contacted. Meanwhile telling you stories how dangerous it can be and to be alert for anything. You will get the hell out of there, because you feel very bad. Once returned to your hotel, and checking your money you WILL see, there is a bunch missing!

Contacting the Police afterwards, does not make a lot of sense. They are aware of this "new" treat, but cannot do a lot. These guys work very "efficient", "quickly on scene somewhere in the city", and vanish as quickly as they come into an area, to return to another aera the next day. Probably they only work for about 30 up to 60 minutes maximum, so they will not get caught.

BEWARE!

My advice: walk with a minimum of foreign money into this area. They do not seem to be interested in Colombian Pesos (I had 400. 000 Pesos on me and did not take away any bill. But search and take Dollars and Euro.

Stay calm, It is possible they have firearms, knives or something else with them.

When they talk about the police station they want to bring you, DO NOT follow them. Their story "may" alter, but be sure, there is NO police station, where they want to bring you. Ask them IMMEDIATELY to call a patrol car to bring you to this "so called" police station (and not an "ordinary" taxi or car) got it?

Remain in PUBLIC and on the STREET, do not go with them into a closed place away from the crowd. So you are at ANY moment surrounded by "other" people.

Stick on your opinion: YOU WANT an official investigator, in official police clothes and an official police car to bring you to the Police station! Be sure, they will LOOSE the game when you stick to this!

If possible, once you are in Bogota, put in your cell phone the official number of a police station, and or tourist police office. CAll them the moment you run into these guys, when they don't stop to bug you.

Tourist Police (Policía de turismo). Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana). Phone: 112

Centro Internacional

Carrera 13 #2 6-62.

Sede Policía de Turismo

Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Office hours: From 7:00 am to 7:00 pm

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Hioctane
03-11-10, 00:28
i would not travel by land south of cali this point at any hour. it's too dangerous. a friend of mine almost died in january. 5 crazy motherfuckers with guns tried to blockade the van (he was touring with a band) and when the van didn't stop they rep001tered and the opened fire on the vehicle. the driver had his cheek grazed by a bullet.

detroit is on the whole more dangerous than just about anywhere in colombia, but the difference is in detroit there are really safe areas and really fucked up areas and everybody knows where they are. in colombian cities, crime is a lot more democratic. it can hit you in the best of surroundings.you should take precautions in any area you are not familiar with, not just south of cali. you're a tourist and not a local who knows where the safe and dangerous areas are. that's the problem and not that crime doesn't discriminate just in colombian cities. even in the best city in the us there is crime. my advice is to stay on the beaten path!

Hioctane
03-11-10, 00:35
A new treat is occuring nowadays to victimize tourists. An old guy presents himself as a tourist, asking a road or something else. This happens MID DAY in bright daylight! Meanwhile, a few feet away, another guy is observing and listening what answers are been given to the old man. Once the old man get a reply to make understand he is talking to a tourist, the "other" guy comes into action. Showing a false Police ID to you and the old man, and asks you and the old man to follow him for a police interrogation. The "other" guy is well dressed with a tie and everything, but in civil clothings. Presenting himself as an undercover agent to protect tourists and people against drug abuse and sales of drugs on the street. Once you follow him (you and the old guy), there will be explained, the police interrogation in the police station will take 2 upto 3 hours, and "if" you like, you can handle the interrogation a block (or something) away from the "fake" police station to win time. You are demanded to show your passport, open your bag (or anything you carry with you) for a check up. They take notice of your passport number, name, want your home address (a complete set up to make it look realistic). Others are into the game as well, once you make allegations you do not belief him. Same "gogo" with men having false police ID's. They take your passport and move on so you cannot see him anymore, return after a few minutes and tel you the station now is looking for information about your passport meanwhile they ask you how much money you have with you. Want you to show the money. They also ask the old man to do the same (who is standing next to you). As an example the old man gives a bunch of US dollars to the fake Police officer. He looks at the dollars and tells the old man, he will return in a few minutes with his money. And so he does. (it is to verify the serial numbers of the dollar bills). Next are YOU! You will do, as the old man (believe me! They are "VERY" convincing). Once you counted your money in front of them, they will take over the money (as they did with the old man, to check the numbers on the bills), then you can start to panic, but it is too late! He turns away from you (so you see his back and made a few passes away from you), you ask him to come back, because you do not longer trust the situation. But in the meantime they will have taken out money from your bundle you gave to him. (and not the outside bills, but from within the "inside"). He will return, to show trust in you! Hands over to you your money again. You will put away your money "immediately" without counting it, because you know, its not safe to show off your money on the street like that. He will tell you, that you "seem" ok, and will bring you back to the spot where you have been first contacted. Meanwhile telling you stories how dangerous it can be and to be alert for anything. You will get the hell out of there, because you feel very bad. Once returned to your hotel, and checking your money you WILL see, there is a bunch missing!

Contacting the Police afterwards, does not make a lot of sense. They are aware of this "new" treat, but cannot do a lot. These guys work very "efficient", "quickly on scene somewhere in the city", and vanish as quickly as they come into an area, to return to another aera the next day. Probably they only work for about 30 up to 60 minutes maximum, so they will not get caught.

BEWARE!

My advice: walk with a minimum of foreign money into this area. They do not seem to be interested in Colombian Pesos (I had 400. 000 Pesos on me and did not take away any bill. But search and take Dollars and Euro.

Stay calm, It is possible they have firearms, knives or something else with them.

When they talk about the police station they want to bring you, DO NOT follow them. Their story "may" alter, but be sure, there is NO police station, where they want to bring you. Ask them IMMEDIATELY to call a patrol car to bring you to this "so called" police station (and not an "ordinary" taxi or car) got it?

Remain in PUBLIC and on the STREET, do not go with them into a closed place away from the crowd. So you are at ANY moment surrounded by "other" people.

Stick on your opinion: YOU WANT an official investigator, in official police clothes and an official police car to bring you to the Police station! Be sure, they will LOOSE the game when you stick to this!

If possible, once you are in Bogota, put in your cell phone the official number of a police station, and or tourist police office. CAll them the moment you run into these guys, when they don't stop to bug you.

Tourist Police (Policía de turismo). Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana). Phone: 112

Centro Internacional

Carrera 13 #2 6-62.

Sede Policía de Turismo

Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Office hours: From 7:00 am to 7:00 pm

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.It's very dicey what you should do in these situations. They could very well be the real policia. You can't tell if they show you a fake ID. You can't run because the real policia might shoot you. Sometimes it's better to just pay them off because you're on vacation. I suggest to minimize losses. Only carry with you what will get you through the day. In addition, have 2 stacks of money. 1 hidden and one small stack in your front pockets (not too small that they'll want to shake your pockets for more).