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Phunluv
03-11-10, 07:06
It's very dicey what you should do in these situations. They could very well be the real policia. You can't tell if they show you a fake ID. You can't run because the real policia might shoot you. Sometimes it's better to just pay them off because you're on vacation. I suggest to minimize losses. Only carry with you what will get you through the day. In addition, have 2 stacks of money. 1 hidden and one small stack in your front pockets (not too small that they'll want to shake your pockets for more).I agree 100% about having 2 stacks of money, but there's nothing "dicey" about this situation. Just say nothing else, and walk away fast or run away. The only undercover police in Colombia that I know of are the ones working against the narco-trafficking. There was a story of 12 female undercover agents that befriended and seduced (lol!, they must have been recruited from a strip joint) members of a pilot cartel.

The police in Colombia, the real ones anyway who are in uniform, are trustworthy for the most part. It's not like in Mexico or Brazil where you might be equally concerned of both the cops and the crooks. The only likely situation I can think of where a gringo tourist might be detained is if he was caught buying a joint in a public, outdoors setting (that's what bathrooms are for); maybe also for just smoking it in public; but just look around and see what the locals are doing and that should give you a good idea what's ok and what's not.

Not my thing really but just an fyi for those who do it.

Cream on Top
03-11-10, 14:31
It's very dicey what you should do in these situations. They could very well be the real policia. You can't tell if they show you a fake ID. You can't run because the real policia might shoot you. Sometimes it's better to just pay them off because you're on vacation. I suggest to minimize losses. Only carry with you what will get you through the day. In addition, have 2 stacks of money. 1 hidden and one small stack in your front pockets (not too small that they'll want to shake your pockets for more).Its not as dicey when they let you make contact to the "real" police, That's why it is better to have these numbers (as mentioned in my text) IN your cell phone. Real police will NOT bother you want to call tourist police. As they understand you are comitted to your own safety. And "if" they bother. Remain in PUBLIC on the STREET. Sooner or later, they will let you go, as their game won't work.. Also when it "would" be real police. They know, they cannot touch you with their game. Giving in to them = loosing. Sticking to your correct intentions and remaining determined is your best shot.

I "do" agree about your 2 stacks option of money. Though the best is to keep a daily volume and no more in your pockets or any place you feel comfortable with. Keep the rest in a safe place in your hotel. A safe deposit box or even under the TV set (cleaning women don't move a TV set to clean your room. It's too heavy for them anyway)

AddictedToWomen
03-11-10, 16:05
This has happened to me. They will accept pesos Luckily I didn't have too much on me.

This scam ramps up so slowly so by the time alarm bells start ringing in your head you're already in danger. I agree about the potential for this to turn violent, so I did what I was told and got out as soon as I could.

What *I* would do next time this happens would be to tell him his I'd card is fake and walk off. If he persists, then insist he calls a uniformed patrol. Go into a large store if necessary and ask them to call 112 to report a fake cop.

I'm thinking this would cya if it turned out is *was* a real one. Whatever you do don't go off the populated area with them.


A new treat is occuring nowadays to victimize tourists. An old guy presents himself as a tourist, asking a road or something else. This happens MID DAY in bright daylight! Meanwhile, a few feet away, another guy is observing and listening what answers are been given to the old man. Once the old man get a reply to make understand he is talking to a tourist, the "other" guy comes into action. Showing a false Police ID to you and the old man, and asks you and the old man to follow him for a police interrogation. The "other" guy is well dressed with a tie and everything, but in civil clothings. Presenting himself as an undercover agent to protect tourists and people against drug abuse and sales of drugs on the street. Once you follow him (you and the old guy), there will be explained, the police interrogation in the police station will take 2 upto 3 hours, and "if" you like, you can handle the interrogation a block (or something) away from the "fake" police station to win time. You are demanded to show your passport, open your bag (or anything you carry with you) for a check up. They take notice of your passport number, name, want your home address (a complete set up to make it look realistic). Others are into the game as well, once you make allegations you do not belief him. Same "gogo" with men having false police ID's. They take your passport and move on so you cannot see him anymore, return after a few minutes and tel you the station now is looking for information about your passport meanwhile they ask you how much money you have with you. Want you to show the money. They also ask the old man to do the same (who is standing next to you). As an example the old man gives a bunch of US dollars to the fake Police officer. He looks at the dollars and tells the old man, he will return in a few minutes with his money. And so he does. (it is to verify the serial numbers of the dollar bills). Next are YOU! You will do, as the old man (believe me! They are "VERY" convincing). Once you counted your money in front of them, they will take over the money (as they did with the old man, to check the numbers on the bills), then you can start to panic, but it is too late! He turns away from you (so you see his back and made a few passes away from you), you ask him to come back, because you do not longer trust the situation. But in the meantime they will have taken out money from your bundle you gave to him. (and not the outside bills, but from within the "inside"). He will return, to show trust in you! Hands over to you your money again. You will put away your money "immediately" without counting it, because you know, its not safe to show off your money on the street like that. He will tell you, that you "seem" ok, and will bring you back to the spot where you have been first contacted. Meanwhile telling you stories how dangerous it can be and to be alert for anything. You will get the hell out of there, because you feel very bad. Once returned to your hotel, and checking your money you WILL see, there is a bunch missing!

Contacting the Police afterwards, does not make a lot of sense. They are aware of this "new" treat, but cannot do a lot. These guys work very "efficient", "quickly on scene somewhere in the city", and vanish as quickly as they come into an area, to return to another aera the next day. Probably they only work for about 30 up to 60 minutes maximum, so they will not get caught.

BEWARE!

My advice: walk with a minimum of foreign money into this area. They do not seem to be interested in Colombian Pesos (I had 400. 000 Pesos on me and did not take away any bill. But search and take Dollars and Euro.

Stay calm, It is possible they have firearms, knives or something else with them.

When they talk about the police station they want to bring you, DO NOT follow them. Their story "may" alter, but be sure, there is NO police station, where they want to bring you. Ask them IMMEDIATELY to call a patrol car to bring you to this "so called" police station (and not an "ordinary" taxi or car) got it?

Remain in PUBLIC and on the STREET, do not go with them into a closed place away from the crowd. So you are at ANY moment surrounded by "other" people.

Stick on your opinion: YOU WANT an official investigator, in official police clothes and an official police car to bring you to the Police station! Be sure, they will LOOSE the game when you stick to this!

If possible, once you are in Bogota, put in your cell phone the official number of a police station, and or tourist police office. CAll them the moment you run into these guys, when they don't stop to bug you.

Tourist Police (Policía de turismo). Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana). Phone: 112

Centro Internacional

Carrera 13 #2 6-62.

Sede Policía de Turismo

Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Office hours: From 7:00 am to 7:00 pm

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Speedyg50
03-11-10, 19:07
If guys bothered to do any research before coming to Colombia, they'd know this is a very very old scam (one of many I should add) and goes back 25 years or more.

Get real.

Don't carry any money

Don't carry a passport

Don't talk to any stranger that approaches you

Keep walking.

OR. Ask to see their ID

Tell them you live in Medellin and lets to to a Police station of your own choice.

Pretend to make a call to a Colombian friend who is coming to help you.

Last resort. Start shouting POLICIA and screaming. That always works

Golfinho
03-12-10, 02:33
i would not travel by land south of cali this point at any hour. it's too dangerous. a friend of mine almost died in january. 5 crazy motherfuckers with guns tried to blockade the van (he was touring with a band) and when the van didn't stop they rep001tered and the opened fire on the vehicle. the driver had his cheek grazed by a bullet.

detroit is on the whole more dangerous than just about anywhere in colombia, but the difference is in detroit there are really safe areas and really fucked up areas and everybody knows where they are. in colombian cities, crime is a lot more democratic. it can hit you in the best of surroundings.a colombiana friend from pasto takes the bus up to cali from time to time. i was thinking to travel with her next time (a couple weeks from now, actually) stopping over in popayan, then on to pasto. haven't heard anything about this being unsafe until your story, which obviously gives reason to pause.

AddictedToWomen
03-12-10, 16:32
don't carry any moneynot very practical advice that, is it?


ask to see their idyou missed the point: they *have* id.

El Rey De Pollo
03-16-10, 13:06
Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.

John Gault
03-16-10, 19:59
Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.Lets see two guys aged 22 and 24. There are thousands of girls dying to hang with you at least 18 years old. Why look for possible trouble? You are right IMHO about the age laws, but the 14 age is mostly considered for Colombians not Gringo's. Also forget for a minute the law and think about possible trouble with the familys of these girls. That could be far worse than a law hassle.

Mackin
03-17-10, 00:29
if you are coming fron the u. s stay away from **** girls. it may be legal there, i don't remember because i don't want them, but you can be prosecuted in the usa for the little deed. no need to take a chance. eighteen and up only.

Hioctane
03-17-10, 03:23
Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.It's been covered many times. I believe most countries say it's the age of consent in your home country. To be on the safe side, stick to 18 and above. Worse thing is to be arrested in a foreign country.

El Rey De Pollo
03-17-10, 22:20
Guys,

Thanks for the responses. I get the moral thing. That was really not my question. My question was pure law.

I am from England. Luckily not under U.S laws anywhere in the world.

It's not about just finding a hole. Easy to say there are plenty of 18 or 25 year olds. Sure. But if the girl I am interested in is indeed 17 then I can't just take the next in line who is 22 - just because she is 22.

I did search first, found no facts, but plenty of answers like the ones below. Thanks for those, but no clear legal answer yet.

So interested in pure law. What is the legal age of consent IN COLOMBIA for sex without pay?

NkosiMan
03-19-10, 01:48
Hello, Gents,

I'm a long-time observer, but rare contributor. I've spent many days in Brazil, the DR and throughout Africa, however now, I would like to try Colombia. The ladies there judging from the pictures you gentlemen post are impressive to say the least. I've read this forum extensively and learned quite a bit about the game (many thanks), and tried to ascertain the answer from simply reading. Nevertheless, my question remains.

Where and how would you recommend I go about having the best experience money can buy in Colombia? Specifically, what hotel/apartments should I consider? Any upscale-escort services I should be aware of? Is there yet another way to contact English-speaking model-quality women? Any particular city that would have exceptional accommodations? In essence, if money were no object, describe what you would lay-out for yourselves on your next trip to Colombia.

Thanks in advance for all your useful and serious replies.

Nkosiman

Hioctane
03-19-10, 01:57
Guys,

Thanks for the responses. I get the moral thing. That was really not my question. My question was pure law.

I am from England. Luckily not under U.S laws anywhere in the world.

It's not about just finding a hole. Easy to say there are plenty of 18 or 25 year olds. Sure. But if the girl I am interested in is indeed 17 then I can't just take the next in line who is 22 - just because she is 22.

I did search first, found no facts, but plenty of answers like the ones below. Thanks for those, but no clear legal answer yet.

So interested in pure law. What is the legal age of consent IN COLOMBIA for sex without pay?I see what you mean.. In England it appears to be 16. I think to be on the safe side, it should be no less than your home country if it is greater than your destination country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Colombia

Member #4349
03-19-10, 11:09
Find somewhere else to discuss regular girls. Further discussion like this, however "innocent" WILL bring the feminazis and LE.

Stop it. Period.

John Gault
03-19-10, 22:04
Hello, Gents,

I'm a long-time observer, but rare contributor. I've spent many days in Brazil, the DR and throughout Africa, however now, I would like to try Colombia. The ladies there judging from the pictures you gentlemen post are impressive to say the least. I've read this forum extensively and learned quite a bit about the game (many thanks), and tried to ascertain the answer from simply reading. Nevertheless, my question remains.

Where and how would you recommend I go about having the best experience money can buy in Colombia? Specifically, what hotel/apartments should I consider? Any upscale-escort services I should be aware of? Is there yet another way to contact English-speaking model-quality women? Any particular city that would have exceptional accommodations? In essence, if money were no object, describe what you would lay-out for yourselves on your next trip to Colombia.

Thanks in advance for all your useful and serious replies.

NkosimanYou do not mention if you have any Spanish speaking ablity. No matter what if you have money to burn then go to CTG. Get a nice apartment near the beach and LDV. Hang out at LDV after 11PM and if the girls don't suit you there then take a short taxi ride to the Old City and go to Isis. The girls there are awesome but expensive. If I had plenty of money that is what I would do.

El Rey De Pollo
03-20-10, 00:42
Ah well, to complicate things even further :-) I am Swedish living in England. Swedish national. 15 years age of consent there. Not that I am interested in girls that age, but it should be possible to ask a pure law question (and an important one for men who travel like we do at that!) on these forums without being asked not to. I am clearly not asking for tips on how to find under 18 prepagos or anything like that.

Thanks for the answers although I have to say I am still confused.


I see what you mean.. In England it appears to be 16. I think to be on the safe side, it should be no less than your home country if it is greater than your destination country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Colombia

JazzPlayer
03-20-10, 02:50
Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.You are a fool. I sure get the fact that you are 24 and your buddy 22. I rate you and your post as "bulado of the year".

Please get yourself to Colombia asap, I can't wait to read about you in the newspaper.

Why is it that folks don't read what has come before, easy, today's crop of 24 and 22 year olds in the EE.UU can't read.

YMMV,

Jazz

Hioctane
03-20-10, 05:11
You do not mention if you have any Spanish speaking ablity. No matter what if you have money to burn then go to CTG. Get a nice apartment near the beach and LDV. Hang out at LDV after 11PM and if the girls don't suit you there then take a short taxi ride to the Old City and go to Isis. The girls there are awesome but expensive. If I had plenty of money that is what I would do.He mentioned he is looking for English speaking, so he probably doesn't speak any Spanish.

BayBoy
03-20-10, 15:23
Mesocorny,

To answer your question directly. The age of consent here in Colombia is the age of consent in Sweden for you, which is 15. Thats all you need to know.

I wouldnt play with fire. Try maduras.

Chesscat
03-20-10, 15:26
For US citizens, this law applies, appearing to rule out, in draconian fashion, relations with under-18

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/trafficking.html

Chesscat
03-20-10, 15:30
A little more law for you'll

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2423.html

Caveat emptor!

Bonhead
03-20-10, 18:48
Hello, Gents,

I'm a long-time observer, but rare contributor. I've spent many days in Brazil, the DR and throughout Africa, however now, I would like to try Colombia. The ladies there judging from the pictures you gentlemen post are impressive to say the least. I've read this forum extensively and learned quite a bit about the game (many thanks), and tried to ascertain the answer from simply reading. Nevertheless, my question remains.

Where and how would you recommend I go about having the best experience money can buy in Colombia? Specifically, what hotel/apartments should I consider? Any upscale-escort services I should be aware of? Is there yet another way to contact English-speaking model-quality women? Any particular city that would have exceptional accommodations? In essence, if money were no object, describe what you would lay-out for yourselves on your next trip to Colombia.

Thanks in advance for all your useful and serious replies.

NkosimanIf money were no object for me, I would be in Sao Paulo. But you say you've been to Brasil and moving on to Colombia.

Medellin would be my stop. I would rent an amazing house (not penthouse b/c of the traffic/noise and not wanting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off neighbors) and pay two or three guys that come highly recommended to just bring me hotties (and whatever else I need) all day long. I'd give the guys a commission of USD$50 for every girl they bring (they and the girl would get nothing if the girl is less than an stunner) and pay the girl $75 for a session and $100-$150 for the night.

My only venturing out would be maybe to hit the clubs, to eat and gamble at the casinos.

Tj Texan
03-20-10, 19:02
I am thinking about making it over to one of the Colombian cities during holy week. I understand about this time frame in Latin America, but I am wondering if Bogota, Medellin or Cali would just be completely dead with many businesses closed, in particular the clubs and casas?

El Rey De Pollo
03-20-10, 22:39
chesrep001 and bayboy, thanks for useful info and links.

jazzplayer: a fool is someone who don't familiarize himself with the law and just goes ahead. oh and you're a fool as well, but a different kind.

Member #3435
03-21-10, 01:56
I am thinking about making it over to one of the Colombian cities during holy week. I understand about this time frame in Latin America, but I am wondering if Bogota, Medellin or Cali would just be completely dead with many businesses closed, in particular the clubs and casas?Any action spot in Latin America is dead, muerto, morto during holy week. Same as Christmas.

I'm surprised this subject even comes up as often as it does.

Forget about it.

All the best, Schwmm

Hioctane
03-21-10, 20:48
If money were no object for me, I would be in Sao Paulo. But you say you've been to Brasil and moving on to Colombia.

Medellin would be my stop. I would rent an amazing house (not penthouse b/c of the traffic/noise and not wanting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off neighbors) and pay two or three guys that come highly recommended to just bring me hotties (and whatever else I need) all day long. I'd give the guys a commission of USD$50 for every girl they bring (they and the girl would get nothing if the girl is less than an stunner) and pay the girl $75 for a session and $100-$150 for the night.

My only venturing out would be maybe to hit the clubs, to eat and gamble at the casinos.If money was no object, I'd be in Macau. You're treated like a king and you don't have your choice of 10 but 100 beautiful women at one time.

Hioctane
03-21-10, 20:49
Any action spot in Latin America is dead, muerto, morto during holy week. Same as Christmas.

I'm surprised this subject even comes up as often as it does.

Forget about it.

All the best, SchwmmThese times is when your little black book comes in handy.

Golfinho
03-22-10, 00:30
If money was no object, I'd be in Macau. You're treated like a king and you don't have your choice of 10 but 100 beautiful women at one time.
Yeah, and they're all Asian if that's the kind of beauty you prefer. And imported, too: go to their home countries and pick them up much cheaper. Been there recently? They only Russians still in town are ones doing the stage shows in the casinos.

Vitrea
03-22-10, 04:47
Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

V

Escort King
03-22-10, 05:53
Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

VIf she can get to the Caribbean she can get to Panama.

Zing23
03-22-10, 06:13
There is no problem getting a short term visa to Panama. I think they can do it at the airport. Just a a short time ago no visa at all was required.


Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

V

Hioctane
03-22-10, 07:25
Yeah, and they're all Asian if that's the kind of beauty you prefer. And imported, too: go to their home countries and pick them up much cheaper. Been there recently? They only Russians still in town are ones doing the stage shows in the casinos.This guy was talking about money being no object.

I haven't been there yet, but I'm itching to go.. The 16 hour flight, double price of flight and the 2-3x cost of women don't make me in a rush to go though.

If money and time was no object I would experience every country on earth.

Shark Bait
03-22-10, 15:14
Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

VColombians do not need a visa to visit Panama. They have to have a minimum of 500 dollars in cash and they have to purchase a round trip ticket
. I know this because I dated a Colombian girl and she would come to Panama to visit me on diving trips in Panama.

Golfinho
03-22-10, 21:27
This guy was talking about money being no object.

I haven't been there yet, but I'm itching to go.. The 16 hour flight, double price of flight and the 2-3x cost of women don't make me in a rush to go though.

If money and time was no object I would experience every country on earth.Believe I posted about this after I was in Macau back in January. Yeah, its another box to check, and not really an expensive one. Thing is, you want to go to every country to experience the local girls: in Macau, they're all imported. Its like doing Colombianas in Panama or Costa Rica: all biz and no fun.

Vitrea
03-23-10, 02:08
Colombians do not need a visa to visit Panama. They have to have a minimum of 500 dollars in cash and they have to purchase a round trip ticket
. I know this because I dated a Colombian girl and she would come to Panama to visit me on diving trips in Panama.Hah! Diving. Just like I am planning on doing. Thank you guys. You guys are awesome. What are your favorite diving places in Panama? If you think that is off topic, you can can PM me.

I dove off of Santa Catalina two years ago the diving was OK but the beach and remote setting was a blast.

Hioctane
03-23-10, 20:07
Believe I posted about this after I was in Macau back in January. Yeah, its another box to check, and not really an expensive one. Thing is, you want to go to every country to experience the local girls: in Macau, they're all imported. Its like doing Colombianas in Panama or Costa Rica: all biz and no fun.I don't know what you consider expensive.. I just read a report about Macau. $250 for 1/hr is a tad bit expensive even if you are getting a spa treatment in addition.

Vitrea
03-24-10, 01:06
She said that she wanted to go to Mexico but could not or would not be able to get a visa! I don't remember the specifics. Are Mexican visas hard for Colombian chicas? Any information is appreciated.

I am a US citizen with good friends in Mexico who are Mexican citizens. Can or my mexican friends some how "sponsor" her to come see me in Mexico or is it a useless venture?

Thanks

Hioctane
03-24-10, 14:33
She said that she wanted to go to Mexico but could not or would not be able to get a visa! I don't remember the specifics. Are Mexican visas hard for Colombian chicas? Any information is appreciated.

I am a US citizen with good friends in Mexico who are Mexican citizens. Can or my mexican friends some how "sponsor" her to come see me in Mexico or is it a useless venture?

ThanksI believe they don't need visas for anywhere in South America. Getting a visa involves having bank accounts and money in it which most don't have.

Golfinho
03-25-10, 02:00
I don't know what you consider expensive.. I just read a report about Macau. $250 for 1/hr is a tad bit expensive even if you are getting a spa treatment in addition.Someone may have paid that; I did not. If you ever get around to planning a trip there, or just have idle curiousity, take it to the Macau forum, or send a PM and I'll halp you with any questions.

Golfinho
03-25-10, 02:04
I believe they don't need visas for anywhere in South America. Getting a visa involves having bank accounts and money in it which most don't have. Colombianas don't need visas for Brazil and Peru. Know because I took one to both places recently. When we were researching places to go, it is astonishing to see how many countries require visas of Colombians. Including S. American countries. Better to stick with Brasilieras to take with you on your 'round the world jaunts. Or at least to the sex-deprived countries.

Dealdo
03-25-10, 04:39
She said that she wanted to go to Mexico but could not or would not be able to get a visa! I don't remember the specifics. Are Mexican visas hard for Colombian chicas? Any information is appreciated.

I am a US citizen with good friends in Mexico who are Mexican citizens. Can or my mexican friends some how "sponsor" her to come see me in Mexico or is it a useless venture?

ThanksAs far as I know Mexico is the hardest country in SA to issue a visa for the rest of the continent. Brasil and Chile had free entry but not anymore. So if she has no bank account will be as hard as getting a US visa. You know, tourist visa with a round trip to Cancun reservations in a good hotel and money to spend, a propriety and good job in Colombia are a most to present.

Vitrea
03-25-10, 08:13
As far as I know Mexico is the hardest country in SA to issue a visa for the rest of the continent. Brasil and Chile had free entry but not anymore. So if she has no bank account will be as hard as getting a US visa. You know, tourist visa with a round trip to Cancun reservations in a good hotel and money to spend, a propriety and good job in Colombia are a most to present.Thank you Blackhawk69, Zingadoon, Hioctane and Dealdo. Very helpful indeed.

V

Kukulkan
03-25-10, 11:51
If you plan to take the girl to Mexico, buy her a Tour to Mexico, From the Travel agency, they will be More than Happy to help, and work with you in that matter. Try maybe Copa air lines

My Two mexican pesos.

And let me Know when you are coming to Cancun, so we can have a few Beers.

Cheers from Cancun,

Kukulkan


As far as I know Mexico is the hardest country in SA to issue a visa for the rest of the continent. Brasil and Chile had free entry but not anymore. So if she has no bank account will be as hard as getting a US visa. You know, tourist visa with a round trip to Cancun reservations in a good hotel and money to spend, a propriety and good job in Colombia are a most to present.

Vitrea
03-26-10, 00:37
If you plan to take the girl to Mexico, buy her a Tour to Mexico, From the Travel agency, they will be More than Happy to help, and work with you in that matter. Try maybe Copa air lines

My Two mexican pesos.

And let me Know when you are coming to Cancun, so we can have a few Beers.

Cheers from Cancun,

KukulkanThank you very much.

Trash Talking
03-27-10, 11:23
I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?

Golfinho
03-28-10, 02:38
I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?A Thought: Just GO. Pick a place, and just go. Make your own experience, instead of trying to recreate someone elses.

Gonzo
03-28-10, 06:48
Tt,

My situation is exactly the same a yours, but only work 50hr a week. I don't travel as often and prefer quality over quantity: I don't do the super low end but I do try to pay reasonable prices, keeping it sane for future mongers.

My $02. Colombia is great, but it is far from an "up and cumming" mecca: it has already arrived, for better or worse, in the mongering world. Those of us who have gone there for the past few years have been able to take advantage of the poor economic situation in CO, but it too is stabilizing (that being said, there will always be boatload of poor but beautiful women ready, willing and able). It's still peaking, IMO, though there's always the guy. You know. The complainer or the reminiscer: "oh man, it it shot here, the Hawaiian shirt and shorts dudes have spoiled it all, I remember the good ol' days when I could get a 9 for 200 pesos por TLN". I want to go back: Colombianas, despite their street-smart attitudes sometimes, have that carinosa attitude that is addictive.

I haven't been to Venezuela and I want to go. I'm close with some Venezuelan ex-pats, and though I'm sure that their POV is colored by their hatred for Chavez, the do say that the crime situation is pretty bad. I've also heard that the clubs in Santa Margharita islands were closed, and the anti-American sentiment among some of the faithful runs high. But as the investment saying goes, "buy with the cannons and sell with the bugles", and that applies to mongerdom also. But the regulars in the VZ forums would know better, and of course, I defer to Ricker, who has been there a lot. The movie "El Secuestro Express" is not exactly a rose for VZ tourism either.


I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller.

Jelly Donut
03-28-10, 14:50
Any thoughts?I think Colombia currently trumps Venezuela. I've been touring the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Colombia since 2003. Like the man says, folks like Ricker have more experience and tend to present the situation with clarity. Venezuela may be the future, but only once the oil runs out.

Chesscat
03-28-10, 20:14
Zingadoon makes a great point, it's all in your head. Make it your own place. That's what I intend to do in Medellin, all the ingredients are there. All powerful imagination.

Member #3435
03-29-10, 02:34
I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?Well thought out and articulated. Especially regarding the analysis of the present and future situation in Brazil.

I don't have the time to respond in depth so here's one quick opinion regarding the attractiveness of Venezuela.

I don't see it for VZ and here's why:

1) Price. Forgive if I'm wrong, but I think general pricing in VZ has always been higher than Colombia.

2) Skyrocketing petty and serious crime.

3) Tense social, economic situation. Inflation, water & electricity shortages & blackouts, some food scarcity, political unrest, etc, etc.

4) If you're a USA citizen, the added hassle or threat of unfriendly customs and police officials.

There's more. Those are the main ones that come to mind.

Unless you're evaluating it under the same senario as for Brazil. That is, once Chavez goes or is thrown out, all hell will break loose and hot VZ pussy will be available at fire sale prices. Hard to judge considering hyper-inflation would likely also be in play.

All the best, Schwmm

Golfinho
03-29-10, 16:05
Well thought out and articulated. Especially regarding the analysis of the present and future situation in Brazil.

I don't have the time to respond in depth so here's one quick opinion regarding the attractiveness of Venezuela.

I don't see it for VZ and here's why:

1) Price. Forgive if I'm wrong, but I think general pricing in VZ has always been higher than Colombia.

2) Skyrocketing petty and serious crime.

3) Tense social, economic situation. Inflation, water & electricity shortages & blackouts, some food scarcity, political unrest, etc, etc.

4) If you're a USA citizen, the added hassle or threat of unfriendly customs and police officials.

There's more. Those are the main ones that come to mind.

Unless you're evaluating it under the same senario as for Brazil. That is, once Chavez goes or is thrown out, all hell will break loose and hot VZ pussy will be available at fire sale prices. Hard to judge considering hyper-inflation would likely also be in play.

All the best, SchwmmVenezuela was a great place to be before Chavez -- as those who were there can attest. Anyone who likes, enjoys, or needs a little edge to his experiences shouldn't be discouraged from going. Besides, once the present regime is out, you'll have missed the chance to have experienced Venezuela in its present incarnation. And, isn't having experiences what its all about? As for the women -- they haven't gone anywhere just because of politics.

BayBoy
03-29-10, 17:47
I've been to quite a few countries in Central and So. America (CR, Panama, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Peru etc.) and can compare a few things. Medellin has the best sex scene of them all.

Availability day and nite, volume of chicas, selection and looks, and most important price.

In my opinion you can't get it all in one place.

I wish Medellin had better food/restaurant choices and a more cosmopolitan/ sophisticated atmosphere like in Buenos Aires.

I wish there was better tourist, travel choices like in Peru and Brazil.

BUT on the plus side, I can drink the water, enjoy the great weather, ride the Metro system, and prices are cheap. Plus the people are friendly.

Since we're all in the ISG, then the sexo is very important to us, as compared to the backpack, enviro crowd. To me Medellin is it.

Manizales911
03-29-10, 18:31
Hey Gogo,

I tried to send you the second half of my "rant" about Cartagena but your box is full and couldn't accept any more messages.

PM me dude.

Later Man
03-30-10, 14:59
Anyone know if cialis can be purchased at any old farmacia in Bogota or if I need to go to a particular chain?

Thanks!

Kickboxer151
03-31-10, 04:49
Anyone know if cialis can be purchased at any old farmacia in Bogota or if I need to go to a particular chain?

Thanks!The grocery store Pomona has a drug counter where you can buy.

Good Luck

John Gault
03-31-10, 15:44
A long and interesting trip comes to an end today as I soon leave for the airport. 6 weeks total in MDE than trips in between to Cali, BAQ and San Andres.

I Have met some good fellow mongers on this trip and enough can not be said of the value of a good Wingman.

I hooked up with some non pros in those citys and it just reinforces my feelings

That for me the Pros are my best bet. Mostly I have been going from Girl to girl in each city looking for that perfect GFE. I now have one in BAQ and two in MDE. I spent my last day yesterday between the two in MDE and as I was walking to the store in Mayorista this morning I saw a women that might be fun, but my sore nuts said enough is enough.

One thing for sure I will never stay over 60 days in Colombia again. Those three trip to D. A. S. Is another report that I should write at another time.

Manizales911
03-31-10, 23:55
A long and interesting trip comes to an end today as I soon leave for the airport. 6 weeks total in MDE than trips in between to Cali, BAQ and San Andres.

I Have met some good fellow mongers on this trip and enough can not be said of the value of a good Wingman.

I hooked up with some non pros in those citys and it just reinforces my feelings

That for me the Pros are my best bet. Mostly I have been going from Girl to girl in each city looking for that perfect GFE. I now have one in BAQ and two in MDE. I spent my last day yesterday between the two in MDE and as I was walking to the store in Mayorista this morning I saw a women that might be fun, but my sore nuts said enough is enough.

One thing for sure I will never stay over 60 days in Colombia again. Those three trip to D. A. S. Is another report that I should write at another time.Vics, glad to hear you had a good trip. Please though, when you are home and have had time to rest please let us know how your dealings with DAS went. I only did it once but it was awhile ago. I may be in need of doing it again in the not too distant future in order to stay my full 90 days and would like to hear about your experience.

John Gault
04-01-10, 03:09
I can thank Spirit Airlines for the time to write this report as my flight is delayed for about four hours from Laderdale.

The first trip to DAS in Belen, MDE was to find out that I needed to come back when I was 60 days in country. I asked for the application form to fill out at my apt., but I was not given one. I return on my 60th day with all the numerous copies and photos and I am told the fee is 70, 100 pesos. I put the money on the counter, but I am then told I need to go to Banco Colombia for a money order. That is another taxi ride back and forth. Now I am fingerprinted and they also photografh me. So I feel it is over and then I am told to come back three days for the stamp on my passport. I finally get my stamp and then today at the airport in MDE the final indignation is I am told I owe now 64,000 pesos more. I said what about the 70, 100 I already paid and that brought some blank stares.

Lessions learned the hard way are always ingrained, so Iwill never stay over the time limit again.

Ricker
04-01-10, 04:47
Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47, 000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat.Well, hmmmm, first of all I totally disagree on your assesment of Brazil.

I've been hanging out there quite a bit lately and I find it a breath of fresh air.

If you know what you're doing, it can be quite rewarding and inexpensive.

Brazil is much more than just Rio by the way. At least for me.

Colombia is not the next Mecca, it's been a Mecca for some time now.

Venezuela, well several years ago I was hanging out there quite a bit.

I loved it!

I actually found the chicas even more exotic than the Colombiana in general.

Schwmmr makes some valid points though as to the potential danger (in Caracas) and some anti-American sentiment by officials.

As far as prices go, the black-market will bring you lots of bang for your buck.

Last I checked, guys were getting 5000 to 1, and with prices similar to Colombia, that's fantastic.

I would definitely recommend having spanish skills to visit Venezuela though, even more than in the now touristy Colombia.

The next Mecca, well I'm going to keep that a secret this time :)

Good luck!

Artisttyp
04-01-10, 05:02
One thing for sure I will never stay over 60 days in Colombia again. Vic,

This is a strong statement. Why would you not want to spend 60 days in colombia again? When I left I said to myself I had to come back and stay 60 days the next time.

Great trip and great reporting.

Blk Big Bootyluv
04-01-10, 18:34
Being a novice monger-er (about 7 years internationally) I've gotten off to a fast start: Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Caribbean, Mexico. I am looking forward to experiencing Colombia this July. I have a group of several wingmen. My wingmen are more advanced monger-ers than I and are fierce negotiators.

After experiencing Rio and the disparaging pricing, from the lower class neighbors, Villa Mimosa to the trendy termas, i can empathize with you about the decline of the mongering activities and the subsequent "clean up" that is yet to come. When I was there I was very disappointed about the value of the USD, contrarily I was over joyed at the quality of women and the invaluable sexual skill set possessed by the Brazilian women, some of the best I have experienced in my life. Unfortunately, my joy was short lived; I receive a report from a wingman of mine, his report indicated that the change is already underway. Help has closed and Miapitakas(SP) no longer allows the women to hangout there and "work". The consequence of this forced mongerers to venture further out to have "experiences. So, my joy will not be carried over to my next trip to Rio for the 2016 games?

In July I plan to visit Medellin, Cali, Cartagena and possibly Barranquilla, as I have heard good things about all these locales. It is in my hopes that I am able to experience all the cities within a 2 week period.

I would like to experience Venezuela, but i'm not sure if it is safe for Americans after the reign of terror from GWB?

Later


I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?

Daves Pison
04-10-10, 17:58
Stay away from Cali just my advise. The sicarios just opened a new office in la sexta and are just looking for the quick buck. Goto Medellin more gringo friendly and the quality of girls is better.


Being a novice monger-er (about 7 years internationally) I've gotten off to a fast start: Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Caribbean, Mexico. I am looking forward to experiencing Colombia this July. I have a group of several wingmen. My wingmen are more advanced monger-ers than I and are fierce negotiators.

After experiencing Rio and the disparaging pricing, from the lower class neighbors, Villa Mimosa to the trendy termas, i can empathize with you about the decline of the mongering activities and the subsequent "clean up" that is yet to come. When I was there I was very disappointed about the value of the USD, contrarily I was over joyed at the quality of women and the invaluable sexual skill set possessed by the Brazilian women, some of the best I have experienced in my life. Unfortunately, my joy was short lived; I receive a report from a wingman of mine, his report indicated that the change is already underway. Help has closed and Miapitakas(SP) no longer allows the women to hangout there and "work". The consequence of this forced mongerers to venture further out to have "experiences. So, my joy will not be carried over to my next trip to Rio for the 2016 games?

In July I plan to visit Medellin, Cali, Cartagena and possibly Barranquilla, as I have heard good things about all these locales. It is in my hopes that I am able to experience all the cities within a 2 week period.

I would like to experience Venezuela, but i'm not sure if it is safe for Americans after the reign of terror from GWB?

Later

AddictedToWomen
04-11-10, 01:16
Poorbuthappy, that bulwark of non-mongering advice about our favorite country is no more, brought down, it would appear, by elements similar to those which have cause problems here.

Alternatives appear to be mango biche, run by an ex-pbh mod, and colombia experts, which used to be owned by the pbh guy but now seems to be under new ownership.

El Minetero
04-15-10, 00:38
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I'm in Atlanta, I wanted to ship two boxes to Pereira. I had the boxes my things arrived in put in another, triple wall box with two inches of foam padding on all sides between the boxes. Avianca Express has a website with it's American offices and affiliates listed. There was one 5 miles from my parent's house. They charged $1.80 per pound, delivered to my door in Pereira, and 29% customs fees on declared value. A great value, I thought, except that my packages were oversized. For the two boxes combined I paid an additional $230 for oversize. The limits are 150cm length + width + depth, and 110 pounds. I still came out ahead of what it would have cost to check them on Delta, and Delta only accepts boxes checked as stand-by. If I had known the limits ahead of time, it would have been economical. I had 75 pounds and $360 of value. If it had been within size limits, it would have cost $270, about half of what it would have cost as excess luggage on Delta.

I feel secure in using the service because the contents are large objects of no immediate resale value. One box is a bust (statue), an onyx bowl and plate. The other box is 4 candle sticks and two statues. I was considering shipping a third footlocker as well, but if it contains small items, they might be more attractive to pilfering. And you can't put food or vitamins in unaccompianied baggage.

I tried to contact ServiEntrega, but basically was reminded why the Third World is the Turd Wurld.

I'll report on my receipt of what I shipped.

El Minetero

Member #3435
04-15-10, 14:12
Here is the proof:[/QUOTE]Hey dude can't wait for this sweet little gal want to enjoy my life with her in Kolkata.

Can you send me a message? Pleased send me her contact info to [Email address deleted by Admin] me her contacts and all want to get in touch with dis gal
I'm in Atlanta, I wanted to ship two boxes to Pereira. I had the boxes my things arrived in put in another, triple wall box with two inches of foam padding on all sides between the boxes. Avianca Express has a website with it's American offices and affiliates listed. There was one 5 miles from my parent's house. They charged $1. 80 per pound, delivered to my door in Pereira, and 29% customs fees on declared value. A great value, I thought, except that my packages were oversized. For the two boxes combined I paid an additional $230 for oversize. The limits are 150cm length + width + depth, and 110 pounds. I still came out ahead of what it would have cost to check them on Delta, and Delta only accepts boxes checked as stand-by. If I had known the limits ahead of time, it would have been economical. I had 75 pounds and $360 of value. If it had been within size limits, it would have cost $270, about half of what it would have cost as excess luggage on Delta.

I feel secure in using the service because the contents are large objects of no immediate resale value. One box is a bust (statue), an onyx bowl and plate. The other box is 4 candle sticks and two statues. I was considering shipping a third footlocker as well, but if it contains small items, they might be more attractive to pilfering. And you can't put food or vitamins in unaccompianied baggage.

I tried to contact ServiEntrega, but basically was reminded why the Third World is the Turd Wurld.

I'll report on my receipt of what I shipped.

El MineteroMinetero:

Good to hear you got your stuff there. I know what a hassle and sometimes stressful that can B.

For the record and as info to the board; I shipped parcels several times with two small time operators that can do it for a fraction of the price that Avianca, Fedex, UPS, US Postal Service or any other big name carrier can do it.

One is Medrano Express www.medranoexpress.com and the other, I can't recall the name right now.

They both delivered to the door in Colombia, took about 6-7 days, and had drop off points at Tienda Latinas in my area. You drop your parcel off at your local tienda that contracts with one of these services and they have pick-ups 2 or 3 days a week. They consolidate the parcels at their central facility and put them on a plane in Miami.

Cost $50 or less per normal sized parcel and deliver to the door in Colombia and other countries in LA. Always came through, never had a problem, and they offer insurance if you want it.

Check around at your local Tienda Latinas. BTW, these are good places to buy calling cards too and even run into a hot latina now and then.

All the best, Schwmm

Member #3435
04-15-10, 23:46
Not sure how that text at the top of my last post, above Minetero's quote, got in there. It wasn't me.

Schwmm

Bango Cheito
04-16-10, 21:08
Weird, I posted this I THOUGHT a couple days ago but it didn't show up... it's not like something so innocuous would have been modded, I guess I slipped on the send button..

there is another general Colombia info site.... www.colombianblog.com that may be of help....


Poorbuthappy, that bulwark of non-mongering advice about our favorite country is no more, brought down, it would appear, by elements similar to those which have cause problems here.

Alternatives appear to be mango biche, run by an ex-pbh mod, and colombia experts, which used to be owned by the pbh guy but now seems to be under new ownership.

Member #3435
04-17-10, 13:55
I paid the fee to join their $9 club. They offered me some workable flights so I planned a trip and itinerary around those flights.

When I try to purchase the tickets, the website will not proccess the transaction using one of my existing credit cards. The only way the transaction will proceed is if you choose to sign up for and use their "Free Spirit" credit card.

Now my itinerary is blown since the flights & fares I was trying to take advantage of expired and the website is still giving me the same problem, even with adjusted dates.

Customer help is non-existant. Their call center is offshore and can't help you with tech support for the website or $9 club fares AND they have noone to refer you too. All they can do is book flights with normal priced fares PLUS a booking fee for using the call center instead of booking online.

The help option on the website is also no help. I finally found the email address for their tech support and sent a private email describing my problem and requesting assistance. That was last night, 12 hours ago. I received an automated response email advising that they received my email and that it would be processed in the order in which it was received. Still waiting.

Any forum members have any experience or tips for dealing with this problem.

I'd heard they can be a ***** to deal with but this is horrendous. They offer a fare and flight but then make it impossible to purchase it.

Thanks,

Schwmm

JazzPlayer
04-17-10, 18:47
Vics, glad to hear you had a good trip. Please though, when you are home and have had time to rest please let us know how your dealings with DAS went. I only did it once but it was awhile ago. I may be in need of doing it again in the not too distant future in order to stay my full 90 days and would like to hear about your experience.It's a very easy process if you know Colombia and speak passable Spanish. It takes four total days to complete. First you have to go to DAS, go early, there is always a line. You have to have identification and you have to leave your cell phone at the guard shack.

Next you go in an receive the paperwork. They give you a check list of everything you need to do. Just follow the list and bingo you are in.

You have to have passport size photos, pay the bill at Banco de Colombia only certain banks accept the money(secret: go to the bank in Laureles next to Estadio, there is never a line) multiple copies of the documents you fill out and copies of your passport. Then you go back to DAS with all your copies and your payment receipt.

Then you have to wait at DAS for your turn, they give you a little "ficha" a poker chip with a number. The folks in DAS, there are only two clerks that deal with this, are always having a bad day. They were they only angry Colombians I ever met for 90 days in the country. Anyway they take all your paperwork, inspect your passport, take your fingerprints and photo, and then you have to come back in three days.

When you come back you don't have to wait very long at all they just take you in the back, hand stamp your passport, write on the stamp and you are on your way. One final caveat, when you get to the airport you have to pay an additional tax, not the regular exit tax but another one. It was a surprise American Air didn't know how to deal with it and it was a little scary at first, but you just have to be polite and pay the tax, I think it was 50 or 75K pesos.

It's an easy process if you follow the steps and recall it's Colombia during the steps.

Chau,

Jazz

Pinche Gringo
04-18-10, 04:40
I have visited many countries in my 45 years and have mongered in most of them. I still believe that Colombian women are the best looking and the funnest in the world. Wish I was there now.

El Rey De Pollo
04-18-10, 07:46
I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.

Hioctane
04-19-10, 00:53
I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.Are you doing more than just looking and smiling at them? Colombianas are accustomed to guys making the first move. It helps if you speak spanish. And if you don't. Then attempting to speak spanish with a dictionary will go a long way.

Manizales911
04-19-10, 02:53
I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.The first question is do you speak spanish? If you do speak spanish than it has to be something to do with your personality or approach to the girls amigo because Colombianas are extremely friendly and enjoy hanging out with spanish speaking well mannered foreigners.

John Gault
04-19-10, 03:52
It's a very easy process if you know Colombia and speak passable Spanish. It takes four total days to complete. First you have to go to DAS, go early, there is always a line. You have to have identification and you have to leave your cell phone at the guard shack.

Next you go in an receive the paperwork. They give you a check list of everything you need to do. Just follow the list and bingo you are in.

You have to have passport size photos, pay the bill at Banco de Colombia only certain banks accept the money(secret: go to the bank in Laureles next to Estadio, there is never a line) multiple copies of the documents you fill out and copies of your passport. Then you go back to DAS with all your copies and your payment receipt.

Then you have to wait at DAS for your turn, they give you a little "ficha" a poker chip with a number. The folks in DAS, there are only two clerks that deal with this, are always having a bad day. They were they only angry Colombians I ever met for 90 days in the country. Anyway they take all your paperwork, inspect your passport, take your fingerprints and photo, and then you have to come back in three days.

When you come back you don't have to wait very long at all they just take you in the back, hand stamp your passport, write on the stamp and you are on your way. One final caveat, when you get to the airport you have to pay an additional tax, not the regular exit tax but another one. It was a surprise American Air didn't know how to deal with it and it was a little scary at first, but you just have to be polite and pay the tax, I think it was 50 or 75K pesos.

It's an easy process if you follow the steps and recall it's Colombia during the steps.

Chau,

JazzMr. Jass,

Thanks for answering his question. I agree with what you said of the process except that on the check list I was given there was no mention that a money order was needed so when I tried to pay the fee in cash I was then told I needed a money order. This intailed another round trip taxi to a bank. All I can say is I wish I had your frame of mind in these kind of matters. For you to say this was an easy process, I would hate to see what you call a tough process. I was 6 days over my limit in Colombia and I will never deal with DAS again if I can avoid them. Like you said about the additional payment 74, 000 K at the airport after paying the 70, 100K at DAS to me was the final indignation. I go to Colombia to have fun, not be tortured and have to jump thru hoops.

John Gault
04-19-10, 04:16
I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.Lets C. Young, good looking, blond hair, blue eyes. You are having no luck? The only answer is you are not able to talk to these beautiful creatures.

Please do not be offended but you are asking for advice and if what you say is true than something is really wrong with what is happening to you in Colombia. Many of us old timers would love to have your advantages. I wish you good luck in the future and maybe it is just a case of bad luck and the next day you could be swimming in fine Pussy.

One question. You say the weather is cold. I have never found BAQ, MDE, Cali and CTG cold, but mostly very warm except MDE which is just perfect.

El Rey De Pollo
04-19-10, 08:09
Guys, thanks for coming back to me. I take no offense at all.

Thing is, I speak Spanish close to fluently! I've done my share of travel in South America and Cuba, and I know that Spanish is a must. I don't want to go crazy on my horn here, but I am saying it to add to the mystery: I am swimming in girls in all these others places. Regulars from the streets and discos. Hot young girls.

In Colombia? Thousands of girls looking at smiling, but not the young hotties. And if I approach looks a bit like they are afraid all the other people or friends around will think they are prepagos.

Spanish? Yes. Extensive travel experience in Latin America? Yes. Decent looking and young enough? Yes.

So I have next to know idea what gives. All I know is I fucked a fat girl with no less than three children last night, and that marked the record of the ugliest girl I have been with in Latin America.

Hilltopper
04-19-10, 13:34
I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. Have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.While I agree with the others that being fluent or at least half-way fluent in Spanish greatly increases your chances, I feel compelled to share with you the below observation. Keep in mind that this observation applies to me, an average-looking, 40-something, gringo when in Colombia. I don't know if it applies to you or anyone else, but it certainly applies to me.

For me to be successful in having sexual encounters with non-pros in Colombia, I have to do one of the following:

1) Build a rapport, friendship, trust with her via the internet/video chat (and then phone, as she'll like the attention of me calling to let her know that I'm thinking of her) over the course of a month or two prior to meeting her in person. Each woman I've met this way already had a strong romantic interest and desire upon my arrival.

2) Be introduced by an amigo/amiga in Colombia who knows me and trusts me as being a guy who will show respect to thier amiga, prima, etc.

3) Meet a chica at the mall, working in a store, etc., and then take the time to build a rapport, establish a mutual interest, go places together (dates), etc. The old "courting" from back-in-the-day.

I've found the non-pros to follow more traditional rules-kinda like the way things were in the States prior to the sexual revolution of the 60's, etc. The chances of me picking-up a non-pro any other way in Colombia are pretty much zilch. If I pick-up a Colombiana and bang her that same day absent any of the three foregoing things happening first, then there's a 99% chance she's a pro or semi-pro.

Again, those are my observations as they pertain to me, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are commonplace for other foreigners who are just visiting or passing-through Colombia.

It can be alot of work/chase, but also provide for one hell of a sexual encounter. But then I end-up with a girlfriend who wants exclusivity. And alas, I'd rather have my freedom without drama or confrontation, so I've learned that mostly bangin' the pros and semi-pros in Colombia is the best course of action for me.

Best of luck in your adventure and encounters. Oh, and you might want to try bangin' a pro/semi-pro instead of chokin' the monkey back at the apartment, LOL.

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Ricker
04-19-10, 17:57
. It helps if you speak spanish.

And if you don't. Then attempting to speak spanish with a dictionary will go a long wayThat's an understatement!

Speaking spanish is not just a help, it's almost imperative to mix with the non-pros.

If you don't, you're severely limiting yourself.

Your youth and pretty blue eyes can only get ya so far. It gets your foot in the door and then you have to be able to rap a bit.

The speaking with a dictionary, well of course it's better than nada, but truthfully, though it may be a bit humorous at first, it's very limiting and difficult to be a cool cat scurrying for words in a dictionary.

Hey, anything is possible, but to anyone that digs traveling to latin America and digs the latinas, learn the language.

Hilltopper
04-19-10, 20:38
In Colombia? Thousands of girls looking at smiling, but not the young hotties. And if I approach looks a bit like they are afraid all the other people or friends around will think they are prepagos.Bingo!

Non-pro Colombianas (and actually, Colombianas in general) are very concerned with their reputation. If they get with a foreigner (especially one who doesn't live there, but is just visiting/tourist) on his first time hitting upon them, they look like you know what. When it comes to non-pros in Colombia, you now know the reason why I have to go through one of the 3 steps I mentioned below to have a sexual encounter with a beautiful, non-pro.

I still think you'd be better off bangin' an attractive, hot, sexy pro or semi-pro than chokin' the monkey or bangin' a gordita. You might want to give it a try!

Bango Cheito
04-20-10, 01:02
The obvious is that "tu no sabes mamar gallo". That's important here, beyond that, Colombians are slow AND have very high standards. But things do vary greatly from city to city. The locals all tell me Medellin is the best bet for picking up non-pros quickly. Medellin or Pereira.

My advice. Fuck the coast and stay in Medellin the last 3 weeks. Barranquilla may be OK but in Cartagena you will get NOTHING. I defend myself pretty well with the non pros here in Bogota and just got back from a real nice trip to Ibague, but I get ZIP in Cartagena.

Oh Ya Papi
04-20-10, 02:06
Keep making friends and they "say" to be patient. I dated many. The colombianas when they like you they take it slow, don't rush it. But when they are ready the go all in, and with passion. The chicks flake alot though.

Also suerte is really bad. It means fuck off go away I am better than you. You are beneath me. I mistakenly said this to a merchant trying to sell us necklaces in med. At dinner he got real pissed and went off on me. My colombian friend said, " why did you say that! " I was like oh shit I didn't know. Anyways its" buena suerte", Ave maria pues.


I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.

El Rey De Pollo
04-20-10, 07:47
Thanks. Great forum with such active feedback. Last night here in dull-as-hell Cali I went home early and don't know why but logged onto Livejasmin. Got to talk with a delgada calena, gave her my number holding no hopes, and what do you know she come over and fucked this afternoon. For free. nah, that's a lie, I gave her a Coke Light.

other than that, what has me puzzled about Colombia is that everyone seems to be locked up in their casas. Expect for Saturday (and friday to some extend) the streets, bars, clubs, restaurants, everything is just eeeempty.

So there aren't even anyone around to practice my game on.

I wonder around Sexta, Parque de Perro, heck saturday night I went out to famous party-suburb Menga, and met at most 5 hot girls. I go home to my studio and log on to hi5 or something like that, and there are one million calenas. Come out, man! I make a call through the list of 20+ girls whos numbers I have off some dating sites, and they all gotta study, do chores, or can't be out at night, or at day. Seems people are scared to leave their houses.

Cartagena that bad? I imagined that Cali would have about a 1000 times more action than Cartagena (being provincial, non-tourist, poorer) but there's nothing around here. So yeah, skipping Cartagena might be an idea. Gotta decide on whether to take the extra days in Medellin or Barranquilla then. Medellin scares me a bit, though, I imagine there are too many gringo mongerers there, I like the non touristy places which is why I chose to spend 10 days in Cali in the first place. Bad decision!

Guess I gotta turn to the pros then. Have no time to date for weeks or months. next time I am off to a country where the girls are promiscuous by nature and will be happy to fuck an 'exotic' different looking guy for free, like Brazil...

For now, Colombia has me puzzled.

Hioctane
04-20-10, 16:31
That's an understatement!

Speaking spanish is not just a help, it's almost imperative to mix with the non-pros.

If you don't, you're severely limiting yourself.

Your youth and pretty blue eyes can only get ya so far. It gets your foot in the door and then you have to be able to rap a bit.

The speaking with a dictionary, well of course it's better than nada, but truthfully, though it may be a bit humorous at first, it's very limiting and difficult to be a cool cat scurrying for words in a dictionary.

Hey, anything is possible, but to anyone that digs traveling to latin America and digs the latinas, learn the language.Well yes, if looks doesn't work, then some basic spanish will get your foot in the door. If you want anything meaningful, you'll need to learn spanish!

Bango Cheito
04-20-10, 16:32
Well here in Bogota people are genuinely THAT busy. They work and study their asses off and have real complicated schedules. So that's part of it as well. I even mentioned that on another forum. I often still bang pros because even though I have several fuckbuddies here, often I can't get an appointment with ANY of them in a typical week.

Hioctane
04-20-10, 16:36
Thanks. Great forum with such active feedback. Last night here in dull-as-hell Cali I went home early and don't know why but logged onto Livejasmin. Got to talk with a delgada calena, gave her my number holding no hopes, and what do you know she come over and fucked this afternoon. For free. nah, that's a lie, I gave her a Coke Light.

other than that, what has me puzzled about Colombia is that everyone seems to be locked up in their casas. Expect for Saturday (and friday to some extend) the streets, bars, clubs, restaurants, everything is just eeeempty.

So there aren't even anyone around to practice my game on.

I wonder around Sexta, Parque de Perro, heck saturday night I went out to famous party-suburb Menga, and met at most 5 hot girls. I go home to my studio and log on to hi5 or something like that, and there are one million calenas. Come out, man! I make a call through the list of 20+ girls whos numbers I have off some dating sites, and they all gotta study, do chores, or can't be out at night, or at day. Seems people are scared to leave their houses.

Cartagena that bad? I imagined that Cali would have about a 1000 times more action than Cartagena (being provincial, non-tourist, poorer) but there's nothing around here. So yeah, skipping Cartagena might be an idea. Gotta decide on whether to take the extra days in Medellin or Barranquilla then. Medellin scares me a bit, though, I imagine there are too many gringo mongerers there, I like the non touristy places which is why I chose to spend 10 days in Cali in the first place. Bad decision!

Guess I gotta turn to the pros then. Have no time to date for weeks or months. next time I am off to a country where the girls are promiscuous by nature and will be happy to fuck an 'exotic' different looking guy for free, like Brazil...

For now, Colombia has me puzzled.I've never been to Cali, but maybe it's more dangerous at night? In Medellin, I have yet to meet a girl that didn't want to go to dinner and dancing. They do flake though and are always tardy.

Medellin is more traveled, but aside from the gringo hot spots. Parque Lleras and Fase Dos. You're not going to see many gringos.

Ricker
04-21-10, 01:45
I've never been to Cali, but maybe it's more dangerous at night? In Medellin, I have yet to meet a girl that didn't want to go to dinner and dancing. They do flake though and are always tardy.

Medellin is more traveled, but aside from the gringo hot spots. Parque Lleras and Fase Dos. You're not going to see many gringos.Cali is a fun city too. Was actually my main hangout for a couple years and was the hot spot in Colombia for gringos before Medellin cleaned it's image and was discovered by gringos.

Plenty of chicas to meet and take out in Cali too, but as HILLTOPPER posted nicely a few posts back, it's best to make contacts and friendships before arriving (goes for any city you visit), otherwise you may be spinning wheels for a bit.

Building trust with non-pros generally takes time and patience.

I think lots of guys have the misconception that they'll simply arrive in Colombia and non-pro chicas will just jump at them.

Like I said, in reality it takes time, patience and of course some luck, at least for me anyway.

I like mixing it up with both the pros and non-pros. Keeps things fun and hopping. Just have to keep 'em seperate

Good luck! :)

Borisut
04-25-10, 12:01
I have planned a 16 day stay in Colombia, I was thinking along the lines of 2 days Bogota, 8 days Cartagena and 6 days Medellin. Any ideas from veterans on adjusting that?

John Gault
04-25-10, 16:21
Things are pretty dead on the Colombia forum lately. I am bored waiting for my next trip to MDE so I am going to mention some of my favorite places in Colombia and maybe that will drum up some interest.

In CTG. LDV and Isis I like. The venders, the heat and the high prices in general I don't like.

In Cali I like to get a good taxi driver to take me to all the Casa's that I would never find on my own. Also like all the different colors of the Chica's.

I don't like the heat and the city is a little to spread out for me.

In BAQ I like Siglo 21 and the hotel Continental, Also the Casino's have the best black jack rules I have ever seen. They let you surrender and also double down after you split aces. I don't like the heat and it is a little more expensive for P4P than MDE.

In Santa Marta The beach is way better than CTG. There is a great resturant on top of the mountain overlooking Rodadero Beach. It is called

Burukuka. I don't mind the heat since I spend a lot of time in the water. Parke Tarone (sic) is also great to C.

P4P is about the same prices as BAQ but not as good a selection of talent.

San Andres is great to take that one special Chica you really want to impress.

MDE has the best weather, Chica prices, and the Metro is also good. I rarely take a taxi once I am in place. My normal day there is Casa trips in the late afternoon, Strip clubs in Centro early evening, and Mayorista late night. I even grab a bite to eat in between all the action. As far as what I don't like, I guess the time when I have to go back to New Jersey.

El Minetero
04-25-10, 21:07
I'm happy to report that the two boxes I shipped with Avianca Express arrived un-dinged, un-opened and un-damaged, about a week and a half after I left them off. If I had known about the dimensions restrictions, it would have been much cheaper.

I came down on a Pensionada Visa last April. It's now expired, and DAS in Pereira tells me that I have to go to the Minesterio de Relaciones Exteriores in Bogota to petetion for the next increment. Does anyone know what documents I need, or if there is a website I can download them from?

Thanks,

El Minetero

Manizales911
04-25-10, 21:45
I have planned a 16 day stay in Colombia, I was thinking along the lines of 2 days Bogota, 8 days Cartagena and 6 days Medellin. Any ideas from veterans on adjusting that?Personally I would eliminate Bogota and do 6 days CTG and 10 days MDE,CTG is a whole helluva lot more expensive than MDE in case you didn't already know.

Chesscat
04-26-10, 02:57
Spirit is considered a cheap flight, but God forbid you change your flight dates. Instead of the normal $100 change fee, basically you get a colonoscopy. My $500 flight is now just shy of $1, 000, for no good reason except a date change. I hope I don't have to change again!

John Gault
04-26-10, 13:43
spirit is considered a cheap flight, but god forbid you change your flight dates. instead of the normal $100 change fee, basically you get a colonoscopy. my $500 flight is now just shy of $1, 000, for no good reason except a date change. i hope i don't have to change again!starting aug. 1st they will be charging a fee for carry on luggage. for me it is really bad since i book the two flights that i need to get to colombia separate as it is usally cheaper that way.

BayBoy
04-26-10, 16:31
I have planned a 16 day stay in Colombia, I was thinking along the lines of 2 days Bogota, 8 days Cartagena and 6 days Medellin. Any ideas from veterans on adjusting that?My suggestion is 3 days in Bogota, 5 days in Cartagena and 8 days in Medellin.

There's a few siteseeing places in Bogota, like taking the funicular to Montserrat etc. plus cases and the Santa Fe district.

I love 'old town' in Cartagena and the beach areas like Laguito, which are pretty safe. But the sexo scene is expensive.

Medellin has the good weather, clean water and a great Metro system. But the sexo scene is the best in So. America. Prices, availability, and variety is great.

Hilltopper
04-27-10, 04:52
spirit is considered a cheap flight, but god forbid you change your flight dates. instead of the normal $100 change fee, basically you get a colonoscopy. my $500 flight is now just shy of $1, 000, for no good reason except a date change. i hope i don't have to change again!i just did the fll. ctg rountrip and have booked another trip for next month. each time the fare was $40 each way, and with usa and col fees, the roundtrip ticket cost was around $230. i paid $19 each way for a checked bag, and $7 each way for a snack and drink. that's $282 for an international rountrip flight, of which only $132 went to spirit. what's not cheap about that?

i've flown spirit to colombia around 20 times, so of course there have been a couple of occasions that i've changed my flight dates. it was a $100 change fee, plus any fare differential. so i always made sure to catch the same fare sale to match the cost of the original ticket so that the only charge was the $100 change fee.

for me, spirit is great, but i always buy when they are having a sale-which is quite frequently. the most i've ever paid was just less than $400, and that included the additional cost of flying in a choice seat.

when you subtract out the gov't fees, etc., and just look at what spirit is charging, it would be hard not to concur that they are low-cost carrier.

i know there are different strokes for different folks, as a buddy of mine almost always pays more for his spirit flights. why? because he doesn't look for or wait on the fare sales. when he's ready to go, he gets online a books a ticket that day. me, i'm checking their site constantly for fare sales and only booking trips at those times. with as frequently as i go, i like saving the $100+ difference between a promotional price and a regular fare.

Hilltopper
04-27-10, 05:24
Starting Aug. 1st they will be charging a fee for carry on luggage. For me it is really bad since I book the two flights that I need to get to Colombia separate as it is usally cheaper that way.Hello, Vic,

I hope all is well your way. We've met before in CTG and I enjoyed the conversation and consider you one of the "good guys" I've met on my travels to Colombia.

I have a different take on Spirit's decision to start charging for carry-on baggage. I'm very happy that they are going to do such and hope it puts a major dent in the number of people who want to bring their "luggage" as a carry-on. Over the last 15+ years this whole carry-on thing has gotten way out of hand. I'm one of those travellers who still flys the old traditional way-you check your "luggage" and your only carry-on is either a briefcase or laptop (and a couple of bottle of tequila purchased at the duty-free store).

Boarding and de-planing times are out of hand due to the volume of people who bring their luggage as a carry-on. On-board safety for flight attendants has deterioted with the large size and sheer number of carry-ons. People are in the aisles cramin' and jamin' their luggage in, some aren't strong enough or tall enough to handle what they have. It's damn ridiculous what people want to bring as a carry-on. Hell, for a person like me who actually only brings a laptop bag on board along with a couple of bottles, if I don't board the plane early, I run the risk of there not being any overhead space due to all the people who don't check their "luggage".

The change was long overdue and is a result of abuse of the original carry-on system by passengers. I say "bravo" Spirit and hope that the other airlines follow. If a person wants the convenience of not having to wait for their "luggage" at the baggage carousel, then make them pay a premium for such a privilege. And make it more expensive that what a person pays who checks their luggage into the belly of the plane!

There won't be a charge for a true carry-on, such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. Maybe now we can go back to having a little sanity in the boarding and de-planing process.

Bandy
04-27-10, 14:29
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Manizales911
04-27-10, 14:44
Hello, Vic,

I hope all is well your way. We've met before in CTG and I enjoyed the conversation and consider you one of the "good guys" I've met on my travels to Colombia.

I have a different take on Spirit's decision to start charging for carry-on baggage. I'm very happy that they are going to do such and hope it puts a major dent in the number of people who want to bring their "luggage" as a carry-on. Over the last 15+ years this whole carry-on thing has gotten way out of hand. I'm one of those travellers who still flys the old traditional way-you check your "luggage" and your only carry-on is either a briefcase or laptop (and a couple of bottle of tequila purchased at the duty-free store).

Boarding and de-planing times are out of hand due to the volume of people who bring their luggage as a carry-on. On-board safety for flight attendants has deterioted with the large size and sheer number of carry-ons. People are in the aisles cramin' and jamin' their luggage in, some aren't strong enough or tall enough to handle what they have. It's damn ridiculous what people want to bring as a carry-on. Hell, for a person like me who actually only brings a laptop bag on board along with a couple of bottles, if I don't board the plane early, I run the risk of there not being any overhead space due to all the people who don't check their "luggage".

The change was long overdue and is a result of abuse of the original carry-on system by passengers. I say "bravo" Spirit and hope that the other airlines follow. If a person wants the convenience of not having to wait for their "luggage" at the baggage carousel, then make them pay a premium for such a privilege. And make it more expensive that what a person pays who checks their luggage into the belly of the plane!

There won't be a charge for a true carry-on, such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. Maybe now we can go back to having a little sanity in the boarding and de-planing process.I couldn't agree more, it's about time. I get so pissed at the idiots that put their suitcases in the overhead sideways two seconds after they tell you over the intercom to please put your wheeled suitcases in WHEELS FIRST so they can accomodate more luggage.

Hioctane
04-27-10, 17:23
Hello, Vic,

I hope all is well your way. We've met before in CTG and I enjoyed the conversation and consider you one of the "good guys" I've met on my travels to Colombia.

I have a different take on Spirit's decision to start charging for carry-on baggage. I'm very happy that they are going to do such and hope it puts a major dent in the number of people who want to bring their "luggage" as a carry-on. Over the last 15+ years this whole carry-on thing has gotten way out of hand. I'm one of those travellers who still flys the old traditional way-you check your "luggage" and your only carry-on is either a briefcase or laptop (and a couple of bottle of tequila purchased at the duty-free store).

Boarding and de-planing times are out of hand due to the volume of people who bring their luggage as a carry-on. On-board safety for flight attendants has deterioted with the large size and sheer number of carry-ons. People are in the aisles cramin' and jamin' their luggage in, some aren't strong enough or tall enough to handle what they have. It's damn ridiculous what people want to bring as a carry-on. Hell, for a person like me who actually only brings a laptop bag on board along with a couple of bottles, if I don't board the plane early, I run the risk of there not being any overhead space due to all the people who don't check their "luggage".

The change was long overdue and is a result of abuse of the original carry-on system by passengers. I say "bravo" Spirit and hope that the other airlines follow. If a person wants the convenience of not having to wait for their "luggage" at the baggage carousel, then make them pay a premium for such a privilege. And make it more expensive that what a person pays who checks their luggage into the belly of the plane!

There won't be a charge for a true carry-on, such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. Maybe now we can go back to having a little sanity in the boarding and de-planing process.The problem I have with this that this is that this is the equivalent of an additional tax. Because luggage of some kind is necessary for any trip.

If the true problem is abuse of carryon and not a case of the airline trying to nickle and dime you to try to make more money, there are alternate solutions:

1) Free check-in bag

2) Strictly enforce the size and weight of a carry-on.

I think this will make everyone happy rather than charging for both and using lower fares to deceive customers.

Hilltopper
04-27-10, 20:21
The problem I have with this that this is that this is the equivalent of an additional tax. Because luggage of some kind is necessary for any trip.

If the true problem is abuse of carryon and not a case of the airline trying to nickle and dime you to try to make more money, there are alternate solutions:

1) Free check-in bag

2) Strictly enforce the size and weight of a carry-on.

I think this will make everyone happy rather than charging for both and using lower fares to deceive customers.With all due respect, I fail to see any deception by Spirit. For example, they have announced over 3 months in advance that they are going to start charging people for carry-on baggage, but that there is still no fee for a true carry-on personal item such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. They've given the reasons for the change, how much they are going to charge, etc.

As someone who has flown them 20+ times to Colombia since they opened their first route in May of 2008, I can tell you with confidence that the reasons they've provided for making the change are not bogus.

I like the having the a la carte options and don't view it as nickling and diming me. If I want a drink or a snack, then I'm happy to pay for it as opposed to it being built into the fare price. If I want to check one or two bags, then I'll pay for it as I so choose. If I now want the convenience of not waiting at the baggage carousel for my luggage, I'll pay for that privilege by paying to have carry-on luggage instead of checking it into the belly of the plan.

With Spirit I have options and only pay for what I want and what suits my travel style. I like that.

Here's an actual example of my trip booked for May (FLL to CTG and back):

Fare: $40 each way

Non-airline gov't/sec fees: $141. 70 for roundtrip

1 checked bag: $19 each way

Add snack and beverage that I'll buy: $7 each way

Total cost: $273. 70, of which $132 goes to Spirit.

I get to make the choices I want and pay only for those choices. I get to customize the trip just for me based on my needs and wants. I end-up taking an international flight that includes a checked bag, a snack and a drink all for $132 charged by Spirit. I sure as hell don't feel nickled and dimed or deceived. It's all right there on their website for me to understand and make my choices-to tailor the trip just the way I like it.

If I want a big front seat, I will happily pay for it. If I want an exit row seat, I will happily pay for it, etc., etc. If I want to not pay for a choice seat and just show-up at the airport to request an aisle seat, then I'll check-in early to improve my chances.

However one cuts it, IMO, I still end-up with a helluva deal from Spirit to fly a direct flight to my favorite destination. $132 to the airline for a roundtrip, non-stop, international flight that includes a checked bag, a snack and a drink.

Hioctane
04-28-10, 16:23
Here's an actual example of my trip booked for May (FLL to CTG and back):

Fare: $40 each way

Non-airline gov't/sec fees: $141. 70 for roundtrip

1 checked bag: $19 each way

Add snack and beverage that I'll buy: $7 each way

Total cost: $273. 70, of which $132 goes to Spirit.All I'm saying is. A virtually unavoidable charge should be tacked onto to the cost of the flight rather than pretending to be an option. I have no problem with charging for food. I also understand why they are doing this. Price of tickets are taxed. Addons are not.

It's like going to a movie theater that charges $5 while everyone else charges $9. When you get in the door, they say another $4 if you want a seat. Sure it's optional. But are you really going to stand for 2 hours?

El Rey De Pollo
04-28-10, 20:55
Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.

El Rey De Pollo
04-28-10, 22:34
Anybody got a tip on a nice, bright 2-3 BR apt. in a secure part of Barranquilla?

Having trouble finding anything interesting there, and don't want the hassle of a hotel.

Manizales911
04-29-10, 12:15
Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.That is the funniest shit I ever heard,"dull-ass Colombia" haha, you must be freeking blind if you aren't finding good looking girls here my friend. When you get to Cartagena go to a club called "La Dolce Vita",if you still make that same statement you should definitely quit the mongering game.

Hioctane
04-29-10, 18:20
Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.Start off with:
casas: Loutrons, New Life, Sexi, Energy
Stripclubs: Fase Dos, San Diego

The addresses are in the lists section (you did print it out right and did do some form of research before going to a foreign country right?). After you check these places out.. go through the rest of the places.

Ricker
04-29-10, 20:40
Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.Imaginate!

Amigo you're either blind, way too picky or just lost!

I just did a casa run here in Medellin. Took me a couple casas but I found a total cutie, 19 years old, new and still sweet.

Got her number for maybe later at my place.

That's just one example. It's really not that difficult.

You should probably cancel all your other side trips and head to Cartagena and the club LDV. You'll find something there. Hopefully.

If not, well then you're destined for a sexless vacation or you may have to stoop down and have sex with all these ugly Colombianas like the rest of us.

Good luck.

El Rey De Pollo
04-29-10, 21:29
That is the funniest shit I ever heard,"dull-ass Colombia" haha, you must be freeking blind if you aren't finding good looking girls here my friend. When you get to Cartagena go to a club called "La Dolce Vita",if you still make that same statement you should definitely quit the mongering game.Any fool can p4p. My disappointment in Colombia stems from the fact that picking up regular good looking girls for fun is close to impossible, as opposed to a number of countries in Latin America where you can pick up 5 cute 18-teen your old girls daily if time permits. Sure, I have had a good 10 plus dates here, but non-pros here does not sleep with a guy on the first date.

Apart from the fact that you are right that there is no lack of prostitutes here, I find most of them to be below average looking. I have visited the 2-3 major strip joints in Bogota, Cali and Medellin and am definately not impressed. have yet to take a single prepago home with me.

If that's funny, then go ahead and laugh. I personally find it depressing.

Bango Cheito
04-30-10, 01:19
That is the funniest shit I ever heard, "dull-ass Colombia" haha, you must be freeking blind if you aren't finding good looking girls here my friend. When you get to Cartagena go to a club called "La Dolce Vita", if you still make that same statement you should definitely quit the mongering game.They say "cada loco con su cabeza". I guess if you prefer flat asses over curvy ones Asia is the place for you.

I wouldn't by any stretch call Colombian women the most ACCESSIBLE on the planet, unless you are paying for it. But I'd defend them to the end on QUALITY.

Viajero
04-30-10, 14:54
Anybody got a tip on a nice, bright 2-3 BR apt. in a secure part of Barranquilla?

Having trouble finding anything interesting there, and don't want the hassle of a hotel.How long you are planning to stay?

Ricker
04-30-10, 17:44
Any fool can p4p. My disappointment in Colombia stems from the fact that picking up regular good looking girls for fun is close to impossible, as opposed to a number of countries in Latin America where you can pick up 5 cute 18-teen your old girls daily if time permits. Sure, I have had a good 10 plus dates here, but non-pros here does not sleep with a guy on the first date.

Apart from the fact that you are right that there is no lack of prostitutes here, I find most of them to be below average looking. I have visited the 2-3 major strip joints in Bogota, Cali and Medellin and am definately not impressed. have yet to take a single prepago home with me.

If that's funny, then go ahead and laugh. I personally find it depressing.Definitely funny!

First of all, in your original post of sadness, you spoke mainly if not completely of the PFP scene.

Personally I find it difficult NOT to meet beautiful girls out here in Medellin, pros or non pros.

Big deal if a non pro doesn't sleep with you on the first date. That's normal. Just show her a little fun and romance and that'll come easily.

As far as the PFP scene, well in my world here in Medellin, of course I see the average looking chicas, lots of them, but there are plenty of beauties too. The hunt is half the fun!

All this aside, I bet you'd be just a blast to hang out with. Hahaha.

Take care and Good Luck to ya.

Hioctane
04-30-10, 23:36
Any fool can p4p. My disappointment in Colombia stems from the fact that picking up regular good looking girls for fun is close to impossible, as opposed to a number of countries in Latin America where you can pick up 5 cute 18-teen your old girls daily if time permits. Sure, I have had a good 10 plus dates here, but non-pros here does not sleep with a guy on the first date.

Apart from the fact that you are right that there is no lack of prostitutes here, I find most of them to be below average looking. I have visited the 2-3 major strip joints in Bogota, Cali and Medellin and am definately not impressed. have yet to take a single prepago home with me.

If that's funny, then go ahead and laugh. I personally find it depressing.Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy... If it is in fact that easy are you sure they are not P4P? Non-pros are like regular girls! They need to be whined and dined! It might take some work and more than one date but a heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!

El Rey De Pollo
05-01-10, 08:29
“Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy”

Brazil, DR, Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, I could go on. In all of these countries any decent looking young Western-looking guy with basic communication skills in the local language, can go out and find a model-type girl any average night and take her home for free. I Speak good Spanish and decent Portuguese (and almost all Romanians speak Spanish). As for Russia and Ukraine got non-nacional friends there, normal looking guys, doing supermodels on a daily basis.

In Brazil and Cuba I can go leave my apartment and be back with a hot 18-year old girl within 3-4 hours, no matter the time of day or day of the week.

Semi-pro is another issue. Don’t mind that once in a while, works out in Cuba and in some places in Brazil and DR. I have no idea as to the semi-pro scene in Col. The girls are ladies, who goes up to some hot well-dressed 20 year old girl in a group of friends and offers her whatever cash to go home and fuck?

“Big deal if a non pro doesn't sleep with you on the first date. That's normal. Just show her a little fun and romance and that'll come easily.”

Who’s got time on a 10 day stay to date the same girl 3-4 times, take her out and wine and dine? I don’t. I may be an asshole, that’s cool, but when I travel to the before mentioned countries I like to have a new girl at least every second day or so.

As for me starting out talking P4P that was then, I was in dull-ass Cali and bored and giving up. If one can’t find free pussy, what’s the next step for a regular guy? I’d rather take home regular girls every day, but I am not spending 6 weeks in Colombia jerking off out over the balcony (aiming at the portero), so P4P it is if P4free is not happening.

Oh, so I called up this Isa recommended in here as I thought that since people recommended here with links, photos must be real. Jesus Christ that’s the dullest piece of pussy I have ever seen. And while she looks decent enough, doesn’t look anything like the photos. So even the escort scene here runs exclusively on fake photos I guess.

And the amount of fat-ass worn-out hookers I have seen in the bars in every town I have been in. Dios mio. I agree that the standard of Colombian women is high, but not in the casas or clubs.

“heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!”

Yeah well, that’s the last place I would ever go with pussy on my mind. Must be – no offense intended – the only country I can imagine that has more fat assed women that Columbia.

Thanks for keeping me buisy. I don’t mind being marked. As I said from the start, I am sure it’s me who don’t get it, and not you. Just baffled that it’s so far from I thought it would be.

El Rey De Pollo
05-01-10, 08:33
How long you are planning to stay?In Barranquilla for 6 days from next week. Love to get some help. Finding absolutely nothing online, and now with just 4-5 days to my arrival there getting a little worried.

Cause it's one thing to be pussy-less in a nice penthouse in Poblado, Medellin. I am sure it's another to be pussy-less in a crap apartment in hot, dirty Barranquilla.

I prefer to jerk off in a nice ambiance.

Gary Groundwork
05-01-10, 20:05
Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy... If it is in fact that easy are you sure they are not P4P? Non-pros are like regular girls! They need to be whined and dined! It might take some work and more than one date but a heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!x2 Mesocorny what othe rplaces are better and easier?

I do agree with you though sometimes Medellin is talked up a bit AND constantly forking out money for girls gets old pretty quick.

Hioctane
05-02-10, 00:03
Brazil, DR, Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, I could go on. In all of these countries any decent looking young Western-looking guy with basic communication skills in the local language, can go out and find a model-type girl any average night and take her home for free. I Speak good Spanish and decent Portuguese (and almost all Romanians speak Spanish). As for Russia and Ukraine got non-nacional friends there, normal looking guys, doing supermodels on a daily basis.

In Brazil and Cuba I can go leave my apartment and be back with a hot 18-year old girl within 3-4 hours, no matter the time of day or day of the week.The only place from that list that I've been to is DR. To me the regular girls there seems harder to be approach. In DR, where do you go and what do you do? Maybe I can get a better idea of what you like.

Phunluv
05-02-10, 07:50
In Barranquilla for 6 days from next week. Love to get some help. Finding absolutely nothing online, and now with just 4-5 days to my arrival there getting a little worried.If you're disappointed with the P4P scene in Cali and Medellin, then I think BAQ will be an almost complete dud for you, you might want to consider a change in plans. I haven't been there but from what I've read in the forums, it's not a big or accessible scene either with pros or non-pros compared to the other Colombian cities.

I'd stay in MDE if I were you and tough it out. BOG and MDE are the easiest cities in Colombia to meet and bed pros or non-pros. If you can't make it happen in either of those two cities, forget the rest of the country.

As for the Cartagena option, I personally think CTG is overrated for either regular tourism or P4P. The heat and touts got to me; not to mention I found the city not all that pretty outside the picturesque Old City. Bocagrande is like a poor-man's Miami Beach, and just as tacky. Still, there's always some sweeties at LDV if you can navigate around the skanks and crazies that now haunt the place, LOL! :)

In any case, staying in MDE and toughing it out is the best way for you to actually learn and achieve something as opposed to jumping around the country. [But only if you're open to learning and adjusting your approach to find something that works for you]

Your Plan B in my opinion is Bogota. It's the most cosmopolitan Colombian city, so the women there are a bit less conservative when it comes to meeting/dating foreigners, although they're not as hot as the paisas and caleñas.

But stop thinking and expecting sex on the first date. You're coming of a bit desperate and frustrated in your posts here; any half-decent colombiana non-pro will sense this as well and that can be a big turnoff for them.

Truth is, while I find many colombianas to be quite pretty, many are also skin deep and flaky. You really need good charm, humor, chit-chat, and bs skills with them, your foreigner status is NOT enough to close the deal with most of the non-pros. Colombianas can blab away for hours, about nothing in particular! Sometimes I'm left in a daze. :) That's why I usually prefer the pros as you cut around all the courtship hassle.

Besides your overeager vibe, it sounds like you picked up some habits or attitudes from your travels in other countries that don't carry over well into this country. Colombia is definitely a different place and you need to respect that. Instead of indulging the hater-ade, think about how you prepared (or did you?) for the trip.

I'm surprised you couldn't find much fun in Cali. Did you read Cubanut's and Jergen's reports and apply their advice? If only the hottest caleñas are acceptable for you, then there's Flores Frescas and the agency lasprofesionales.com although they're not cheap (and I find the women of FF can be quite cold & mechanical).

As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for.

I'm not sure if Lejano Oriente is still around but you may want to check it out. Go to Parque Poblado and ask one of the many taxistas hanging out there if one of them can take you (not all taxistas are allowed to take people there as it's a secret place). I can't guarantee success but if you're running out of options, you can at least check that one off the list. I think it's an interesting place to see, they have some pretty girls although no real stunners.

More practical advice would be to use a local male friend to introduce you to non-pros, or try to talk to one of the club promoters. Once you've gained their trust, those guys can introduce you to the hottest semi-pros or prepagas, although those girls don't come cheap! If you want access to the hottest non-pros and semi-pros, you'll need to network because meeting these girls is usually done through introductions; if you haven't figured it out already the cold approach doesn't work here as often as it does in the other countries you've been in. So Colombia is kind of closed to outsiders that way. . .

I think the jumping around is one factor that's also not helping your game. Stay in one place, be open-minded, take a deep breath and RELAX around the non-pros, try a few different things until something clicks for you. You're running out of time but if you apply the above advice, you might score and more importantly, you might learn something about yourself!

Manizales911
05-02-10, 14:55
“Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy”

Brazil, DR, Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, I could go on. In all of these countries any decent looking young Western-looking guy with basic communication skills in the local language, can go out and find a model-type girl any average night and take her home for free. I Speak good Spanish and decent Portuguese (and almost all Romanians speak Spanish). As for Russia and Ukraine got non-nacional friends there, normal looking guys, doing supermodels on a daily basis.

In Brazil and Cuba I can go leave my apartment and be back with a hot 18-year old girl within 3-4 hours, no matter the time of day or day of the week.

Semi-pro is another issue. Don’t mind that once in a while, works out in Cuba and in some places in Brazil and DR. I have no idea as to the semi-pro scene in Col. The girls are ladies, who goes up to some hot well-dressed 20 year old girl in a group of friends and offers her whatever cash to go home and fuck?

“Big deal if a non pro doesn't sleep with you on the first date. That's normal. Just show her a little fun and romance and that'll come easily.”

Who’s got time on a 10 day stay to date the same girl 3-4 times, take her out and wine and dine? I don’t. I may be an asshole, that’s cool, but when I travel to the before mentioned countries I like to have a new girl at least every second day or so.

As for me starting out talking P4P that was then, I was in dull-ass Cali and bored and giving up. If one can’t find free pussy, what’s the next step for a regular guy? I’d rather take home regular girls every day, but I am not spending 6 weeks in Colombia jerking off out over the balcony (aiming at the portero), so P4P it is if P4free is not happening.

Oh, so I called up this Isa recommended in here as I thought that since people recommended here with links, photos must be real. Jesus Christ that’s the dullest piece of pussy I have ever seen. And while she looks decent enough, doesn’t look anything like the photos. So even the escort scene here runs exclusively on fake photos I guess.

And the amount of fat-ass worn-out hookers I have seen in the bars in every town I have been in. Dios mio. I agree that the standard of Colombian women is high, but not in the casas or clubs.

“heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!”

Yeah well, that’s the last place I would ever go with pussy on my mind. Must be – no offense intended – the only country I can imagine that has more fat assed women that Columbia.

Thanks for keeping me buisy. I don’t mind being marked. As I said from the start, I am sure it’s me who don’t get it, and not you. Just baffled that it’s so far from I thought it would be.Dude, you can't even spell the the name of the damn country correctly and want to hook up with its women for free? Give us all a break,please.

By the way it's Col-o-mbia.

Ricker
05-03-10, 18:10
In Barranquilla for 6 days from next week. Love to get some help. Finding absolutely nothing online, and now with just 4-5 days to my arrival there getting a little worried.

Cause it's one thing to be pussy-less in a nice penthouse in Poblado, Medellin. I am sure it's another to be pussy-less in a crap apartment in hot, dirty Barranquilla.

I prefer to jerk off in a nice ambiance.I actually thought it was against the law to jerk off in Colombia, there's so many chicas that need lovin' ... jajaja

I'd love to help you but it seems that the Colombia you're visiting is completely different than the one I was just in for a couple weeks.

I can hardly go a few hours without falling in love/lust, flirting, finding a new NP contact, meeting a pro who I click with, finding a beauty diamond in the rough.

I do wish you luck

El Rey De Pollo
05-04-10, 00:18
"As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for."

I went there no less than three nights in a row. Nancy called up 3-4 girls every night and promised me next night she would bring girls that suited my taste. I told her it was simple: Young and slim. Every got damned girl presented to me was 25 and with an ass like J. Lo.

As for staying in one place and skipping Cartegena and BAQ, I am here for work and have no choice. I am now in CTG and I totally agree that this is a poor mans Miami Beach. The heat is bad and all the girls are ugly.

Medellin was the place I liked the best, all though that really does not say much as I have yet to fall in love with any place in this country.

Sure, it's got one of the biggest hooker-scenes in the world, but jesus hace I seen lots of ugly hookers.

Thanks for indulging. I have given up trying to get some beauties here. Now just working and going home to sleep. I toured every got damn club in CTG saturday and saw at least 100 prepagos. They were all between ugly and average.

If anyone has a tip on an apartment in BAQ, I would be thrilled. That is the only challenge I have left in this country.

John Gault
05-04-10, 03:23
I actually thought it was against the law to jerk off in Colombia, there's so many chicas that need lovin' ... jajaja

I'd love to help you but it seems that the Colombia you're visiting is completely different than the one I was just in for a couple weeks.

I can hardly go a few hours without falling in love/lust, flirting, finding a new NP contact, meeting a pro who I click with, finding a beauty diamond in the rough.

I do wish you luckMan I was starting to worry about my trip next week to MDE. All these guys saying that they are having trouble getting to screw beautiful women there.

I feel better now knowing that you found some to bag.

Lets see, Casa's in the afternoon, strip clubs after dinner, then Mayorista late at night. Yes I think I will be OK. LOL

El Rey De Pollo
05-04-10, 06:11
You should probably cancel all your other side trips and head to Cartagena and the club LDV. You'll find something there. Hopefully.Okay, this spells my conclusion! Just returned from a seriously boring evening in Cartagena, and thought I would look up this LDV place online, find the address and head there. After some research now realize this is La Dolce Vita, the place I went Saturday night and just dropped into on my way home an hour ago.

Seriously, if this sad joint is the ultimate in Colombia, then my conclusion is that all the wonderful things I have read and heard about Colombia has come from guys with a completely different taste than mine.

Now I was at LDV Saturday night prime time (1-2) and while there was no lack of girls there (at least 30) there was one I would have done for free if I had been more horny, while the rest of them would have to pay serious cash if I was to stick anything in there. What a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers.

I thought I was in a dump my some strange stroke of chance. Turns out I was in the best P4P joint in Colombia?

Just passed by on my way home. Okay, it's Monday night. There were five girls in there, all about as attractive as Barbara Bush. Gee, the horror.

Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.

Hioctane
05-04-10, 06:26
"As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for."

I went there no less than three nights in a row. Nancy called up 3-4 girls every night and promised me next night she would bring girls that suited my taste. I told her it was simple: Young and slim. Every got damned girl presented to me was 25 and with an ass like J. Lo.

As for staying in one place and skipping Cartegena and BAQ, I am here for work and have no choice. I am now in CTG and I totally agree that this is a poor mans Miami Beach. The heat is bad and all the girls are ugly.

Medellin was the place I liked the best, all though that really does not say much as I have yet to fall in love with any place in this country.

Sure, it's got one of the biggest hooker-scenes in the world, but jesus hace I seen lots of ugly hookers.

Thanks for indulging. I have given up trying to get some beauties here. Now just working and going home to sleep. I toured every got damn club in CTG saturday and saw at least 100 prepagos. They were all between ugly and average.

If anyone has a tip on an apartment in BAQ, I would be thrilled. That is the only challenge I have left in this country.Here's an idea. How about you post some pics of girls from other countries that you actually like? Maybe then we can get a better idea of what you are in to and where you should go. If you've seen so many girls and still can't find someone that you like, Colombia might just not be to your taste. Which is very well possible. Just like I would never go to some countries because I know I won't like the girls there. From the pics in the Colombia section, you should be able to tell if you're going to like them though.

John Gault
05-04-10, 13:22
"As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for."

I went there no less than three nights in a row. Nancy called up 3-4 girls every night and promised me next night she would bring girls that suited my taste. I told her it was simple: Young and slim. Every got damned girl presented to me was 25 and with an ass like J. Lo.

As for staying in one place and skipping Cartegena and BAQ, I am here for work and have no choice. I am now in CTG and I totally agree that this is a poor mans Miami Beach. The heat is bad and all the girls are ugly.

Medellin was the place I liked the best, all though that really does not say much as I have yet to fall in love with any place in this country.

Sure, it's got one of the biggest hooker-scenes in the world, but jesus hace I seen lots of ugly hookers.

Thanks for indulging. I have given up trying to get some beauties here. Now just working and going home to sleep. I toured every got damn club in CTG saturday and saw at least 100 prepagos. They were all between ugly and average.

If anyone has a tip on an apartment in BAQ, I would be thrilled. That is the only challenge I have left in this country.I think before you said you were going to be in BAQ for just a few days. Forget an apartment and just go to the Hotel Continatal. It is located in a very safe section near the university. Chica friendly and around $50 a night. I rate it a four star hotel.

As far as you wanting young pretty Flaca's then bring your wallet and go to Luistania. A short taxi ride from the hotel. 10,000 peso cover charge and last time I was there it was 180 K for a real stunner. Now that I think about it there is no place that I have been that has any better looking girls. A few months ago on Wed. nights they have all the girls wearing bras and pantys with the garter belts and hose. Your eyes will bug out. As always collect some numbers. They will be happy to beat the house out of thier cut.

Ricker
05-04-10, 15:54
Man I was starting to worry about my trip next week to MDE. All these guys saying that they are having trouble getting to screw beautiful women there.

I feel better now knowing that you found some to bag.

Lets see, Casa's in the afternoon, strip clubs after dinner, then Mayorista late at night. Yes I think I will be OK. LOLSi amigo, you'll be OK. LOL.

I found some real cuties in the casas last week, and it seems that every little strip club I entered had at least one hot chica just waiting for me.

The Mayorista, well it seemed every night I visited, after midnight, the quality picked up.

As you know, lots of lesser quality chicas out there, but always some hot ones, and I saw a few new ones I hadn't seen before.

Have fun!

El Rey De Pollo
05-04-10, 19:26
Viajero, did you have any tips on an apartment in Barranquilla?

Traveling with a friend. Hotel doesn't make sense as we would need two rooms, and two small rooms would easily be more than a nice apartment.

Bango Cheito
05-04-10, 21:59
The problem is, here in Colombia, a girl having a flat ass is seen as a SHAMEFUL thing. Girls don't even want to leave their house unless they have a curvy ass. Pretty hard to find flat assed girls when the whole culture is against it. I dunno how this guy liked Brazil or DR though, because it's even more of a big-ass (hah) deal over there.

Ricker
05-05-10, 02:59
. Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. Before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.You must be the UNLUCKIEST guy on the planet!

Everywhere you go in Colombia there are only round fat chicks, and every other guy on the planet that visits Colombia falls in love.

Now I haven't been to Cartagena in quite a while but I just left Medellin a few days ago.

I saw, found and had fun with more beautiful flaquitas than I can remember.

Dude, I found them in casas, el Centro Strip clubs, higher end clubs and the Mansion and actually even the Mayorista.

Matter of fact, I found maybe the most beautiful chica I've ever had the pleasure of being with in an el Centro Casa, one off the beaten path that guys don't visit much.

I was stunned when she walked out to present and stayed with her for a few hours.

Tijuana-type latina? Yeah, right. Not even close.

I hope your luck changes amigo, for now you seem to have an ugly-hex thrown on you and you're stuck in Tijuana, something out of the Twilight Zone ... :)

Manizales911
05-05-10, 03:32
Okay, this spells my conclusion! Just returned from a seriously boring evening in Cartagena, and thought I would look up this LDV place online, find the address and head there. After some research now realize this is La Dolce Vita, the place I went Saturday night and just dropped into on my way home an hour ago.

Seriously, if this sad joint is the ultimate in Colombia, then my conclusion is that all the wonderful things I have read and heard about Colombia has come from guys with a completely different taste than mine.

Now I was at LDV Saturday night prime time (1-2) and while there was no lack of girls there (at least 30) there was one I would have done for free if I had been more horny, while the rest of them would have to pay serious cash if I was to stick anything in there. What a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers.

I thought I was in a dump my some strange stroke of chance. Turns out I was in the best P4P joint in Colombia?

Just passed by on my way home. Okay, it's Monday night. There were five girls in there, all about as attractive as Barbara Bush. Gee, the horror.

Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.Dude you're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I have been in LDV plenty of times and though I admit there are plenty of worn out hardcore ***res in there, there is always some hot girls in there.

Viajero
05-05-10, 12:56
You must be the UNLUCKIEST guy on the planet!

Everywhere you go in Colombia there are only round fat chicks, and every other guy on the planet that visits Colombia falls in love.

Now I haven't been to Cartagena in quite a while but I just left Medellin a few days ago.

I saw, found and had fun with more beautiful flaquitas than I can remember.

Dude, I found them in casas, el Centro Strip clubs, higher end clubs and the Mansion and actually even the Mayorista.

Matter of fact, I found maybe the most beautiful chica I've ever had the pleasure of being with in an el Centro Casa, one off the beaten path that guys don't visit much.

I was stunned when she walked out to present and stayed with her for a few hours.

Tijuana-type latina? Yeah, right. Not even close.

I hope your luck changes amigo.

I'm sure glad I've been fortunate and with the good luck in finding hot chicas.Ricker,

I always admire your reports and I am a fan of your's ,I sure wonder what thsi gentleman was talking about. My problem in Colombia was the hardest part is to make up my mind which one I was going to screw that night because they all looked model types.

Viajero
05-05-10, 12:59
Viajero, did you have any tips on an apartment in Barranquilla?

Traveling with a friend. Hotel doesn't make sense as we would need two rooms, and two small rooms would easily be more than a nice apartment.Sorry amigo , I do have little connections there, but the people I know are looking for a long term renter only. Your best bet for a short term rental would be hotels.

Soldierb11
05-05-10, 13:15
The problem is, here in Colombia, a girl having a flat ass is seen as a SHAMEFUL thing. Girls don't even want to leave their house unless they have a curvy ass. Pretty hard to find flat assed girls when the whole culture is against it. I dunno how this guy liked Brazil or DR though, because it's even more of a big-ass (hah) deal over there.So true.

I know a girl in Colombia who saved up some money for plastic surgery. Did she go for breast implant that she probably needs? NO

She went to have her already non-flat ass enlarged.

A big round Latina ass is whats treasured down there.

John Scott
05-05-10, 13:31
I just got back from a week and a half in Cartagena, Colombia. I used "Girlfriend 4 a Week" to supply my sex/travel partner. I know most of the action on this board is for Mongerers who like to find the best girls for the best deals and don't use agencies. To pick up girls in Cartagena you have to either go for street girls or hang out at nightclubs or stripclubs. Which to me is a collosal waste of time. Also these girls normally think in terms of hours or over night, or maybe they aren't professionals at all.

I believe you always end up "paying for it. " I prefer professionals. Amateurs/Non-Pros charge in "Emotional Units" instead of cash. An "Emotional Unit" is a combination of attention and time. Attention can come in all kinds of forms from simple banter and drinks to long term commitments (with meeting her parents and taking her shopping falling some where in between). I have to tell you I'd pay big bucks to avoid an "Emotional Unit" almost every time.

Robert (of GF4W) and I exchanged several e-mails and I settled on Grace, a girl with good English skills, some college and looks between Tyra Banks and Imam, 23 years old. She met me at the airport, I paid $250 for her plane trip from Medellin. We hugged and went looking for the hotel transport I had reserved. When we couldn't find the hotel van I gave her the phone number and she called the hotel to find out where the van was. I don't speak Spanish and I'd never been to Cartagena before. Cartagena is a major tourist destination but not for English speakers.

Having someone who could help me with my Spanish pronunciation, "Quanto? " "He wants to know how much the taxi fair is going to be before you go any further" was invaluable. And having her explain to the waiter who felt my refusal to order wine or a mixed drink with dinner was an insult to his manhood that I was Diabetic and would just order water saved a lot of frustration.

But what I really enjoyed was watching her walk through the room, naked, three or more times a day. I liked that she was willing to wear a sheer Malibu Strings bikini in public, in fact she loved every thing I gave her to wear, even when the blouse kept slipping and revealing her nipple to the public. A week of watching other men stare at her and envy me was pretty great too. (At the beach one day I watched a guy track her with his still camera as she emerged from the ocean in a yellow bikini that put Halle Berry to shame. He kept taking pictures of her even after his girlfriend returned.) And she didn't take offense when I said I wanted to check out a strip club/brothel. In fact she had such a good time the other guys were watching her more than the strippers. And she picked out a really cute girl for us to take back to the hotel for a midnight skinny dip and all night threesome. To say I'm extremely happy with the service "Girlfriend 4 a Week" provided is an incredible understatement. I'm going to Santa Marta, another Caribbean coastal Colombian tourist destination, but not with out "Girlfriend 4 a Week. "

Hioctane
05-05-10, 15:14
Mesocorny,

You're 24 years old! What kind of experience have you actually had?

Viajero
05-05-10, 17:40
I think before you said you were going to be in BAQ for just a few days. Forget an apartment and just go to the Hotel Continatal. It is located in a very safe section near the university. Chica friendly and around $50 a night. I rate it a four star hotel.

As far as you wanting young pretty Flaca's then bring your wallet and go to Luistania. A short taxi ride from the hotel. 10,000 peso cover charge and last time I was there it was 180 K for a real stunner. Now that I think about it there is no place that I have been that has any better looking girls. A few months ago on Wed. nights they have all the girls wearing bras and pantys with the garter belts and hose. Your eyes will bug out. As always collect some numbers. They will be happy to beat the house out of thier cut.I think Lusitania in Barranquilla is a rip off and not worth it at all.Girls too aggressive and you can tell from their behavior all they want is what's in your wallet.I wish they have casas like Casa de Piedra in Medellin , I found that to be the best value for your money in all of Colombia.

Hilltopper
05-06-10, 00:28
Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.There you go fellas, you'll want to skip Colombia unless your preference is for fatties or uglies. Stick with Panama, Costa Rica, DR, etc., and leave Colombia for those of us who like 'em fat or with faces that shatter mirrors.

Now you know the real reason why I'll be back in Colombia again next week....to do my best Richard Simmons impersonation of trying to whip those pounds off heavy-bottom Colombianas, lmao.

Manizales911
05-06-10, 13:09
I just got back from a week and a half in Cartagena, Colombia. I used "Girlfriend 4 a Week" to supply my sex/travel partner. I know most of the action on this board is for Mongerers who like to find the best girls for the best deals and don't use agencies. To pick up girls in Cartagena you have to either go for street girls or hang out at nightclubs or stripclubs. Which to me is a collosal waste of time. Also these girls normally think in terms of hours or over night, or maybe they aren't professionals at all.

I believe you always end up "paying for it. " I prefer professionals. Amateurs/Non-Pros charge in "Emotional Units" instead of cash. An "Emotional Unit" is a combination of attention and time. Attention can come in all kinds of forms from simple banter and drinks to long term commitments (with meeting her parents and taking her shopping falling some where in between). I have to tell you I'd pay big bucks to avoid an "Emotional Unit" almost every time.

Robert (of GF4W) and I exchanged several e-mails and I settled on Grace, a girl with good English skills, some college and looks between Tyra Banks and Imam, 23 years old. She met me at the airport, I paid $250 for her plane trip from Medellin. We hugged and went looking for the hotel transport I had reserved. When we couldn't find the hotel van I gave her the phone number and she called the hotel to find out where the van was. I don't speak Spanish and I'd never been to Cartagena before. Cartagena is a major tourist destination but not for English speakers.

Having someone who could help me with my Spanish pronunciation, "Quanto? " "He wants to know how much the taxi fair is going to be before you go any further" was invaluable. And having her explain to the waiter who felt my refusal to order wine or a mixed drink with dinner was an insult to his manhood that I was Diabetic and would just order water saved a lot of frustration.

But what I really enjoyed was watching her walk through the room, naked, three or more times a day. I liked that she was willing to wear a sheer Malibu Strings bikini in public, in fact she loved every thing I gave her to wear, even when the blouse kept slipping and revealing her nipple to the public. A week of watching other men stare at her and envy me was pretty great too. (At the beach one day I watched a guy track her with his still camera as she emerged from the ocean in a yellow bikini that put Halle Berry to shame. He kept taking pictures of her even after his girlfriend returned.) And she didn't take offense when I said I wanted to check out a strip club/brothel. In fact she had such a good time the other guys were watching her more than the strippers. And she picked out a really cute girl for us to take back to the hotel for a midnight skinny dip and all night threesome. To say I'm extremely happy with the service "Girlfriend 4 a Week" provided is an incredible understatement. I'm going to Santa Marta, another Caribbean coastal Colombian tourist destination, but not with out "Girlfriend 4 a Week. "Sounds like you had a great time and that's what it's all about.

There will be a few here that will probably flame you for over paying for your companionship but it's your money and if you can afford to do what you do then more power to you.

Ricker
05-07-10, 18:31
Sounds like you had a great time and that's what it's all about.

There will be a few here that will probably flame you for over paying for your companionship but it's your money and if you can afford to do what you do then more power to you.That´s the truth baby!

If you can afford it and you had fun, good for you.

A more experienced Colombia traveler and Spanish speaker could find the same fun for much less, however, seems that you totally enjoyed your time, so for you it was money well spent for great memories.

Ricker
05-07-10, 18:35
Ricker,

... My problem in Colombia was the hardest part is to make up my mind which one I was going to screw that night because they all looked model types.That´s the truth amigo!

Most of the time the hardest part is which chica to call and the scheduling around all the chicas, but what a great problem to have!

I'm in Brazil now facing the same problems. Hahaha.

Taker easy

Vitrea
05-08-10, 01:01
[QUOTE=John Scott]I just got back from a week and a half in Cartagena, Colombia. I used "Girlfriend 4 a Week" to supply my sex/travel partner. I know most of the action on this board is for Mongerers who like to find the best girls for the best deals and [QUOTE]Very good first report. Can't wait to hear about your St Marta report. I remember answering a question from you about phones. How did that work out?

El Rey De Pollo
05-12-10, 00:30
Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me, and what an infantile way or debating.

Lucky for me I have but a few days left here. Gave up a long time ago so have relaxed on the beaches on the coast without looking for anything. Now in Bogota waiting to leave. Sure, I may be the unluckiest guy on earth, but I find that in Colombia if you want to do a regular young girl it takes time, and I don't have that if I am in each city 4-5 days. Sure, there are 5 million hookers here, so for those that are satisfied with doing prepagos Colombia is probably a nice place.

Now take it easy. You should be happy Colombia is not for everyone, so that it doesn't turn into Pattaya. Me, I think Colombia is the dullest place south of Mexico to look for sex.

Thanks for the feedback to those who understand the concept of debate. It's been a pleasure.

Ricker
05-12-10, 15:37
Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me, and what an infantile way or debating.

Lucky for me I have but a few days left here. Gave up a long time ago so have relaxed on the beaches on the coast without looking for anything. Now in Bogota waiting to leave. Sure, I may be the unluckiest guy on earth, but I find that in Colombia if you want to do a regular young girl it takes time, and I don't have that if I am in each city 4-5 days. Sure, there are 5 million hookers here, so for those that are satisfied with doing prepagos Colombia is probably a nice place.You're right amigo, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Of course.

I think it just baffled guys, including me, when you post that all you see is fat, ugly, tijuana tubbies in Colombia.

At first you posted of your experience with the pros, and that you couldn't find any to your liking.

Then you posted that you were really interested in the non-pros only and that anybody could get a pro, but you wanted the beautiful, young non pros.

OK great, and I agree that if it's the beautiful non pro you're looking for, it may just take more than 4-5 days to get them to dig ya and sleep with ya.

Obviously you have to treat the non-pros differently than the pros.

I personally take it very slow with the non-pros. I know some guys like the quick kill, but I don't.

I love to have fun with 'them, charm them, be romantic and cool, take my time, no rush.

I love the build up.

I don't need to jump 'them like a horny teenager, that's what the pros are for ehh.

Now we each have our own idea of fun, but maybe if you relaxed your tolerance a bit and understand that not all the pros are going to be your dream girl, and that they come in all shapes and sizes, and that YES, believe it or not, there are some beauties out there, just maybe you may not have to be alone and bored in Colombia.

I think mixing it up a bit between meeting non-pros and having fun with some pros is perfect.

Maybe you could just meet some non-pros and keep in contact for when you return one day.

I know you're a young dude, but I think if you relaxed your thinking just a bit you might not waste such great opportunites, such as being in Colombia.

Good luck amigo, I'm guessing that one day you may just appreciate what Colombia has to offer.

Member #3435
05-12-10, 18:32
Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me.No only that but inept too.

Adiós & all the best,

Schwmm

Viajero
05-12-10, 21:35
I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?

Superboy1
05-12-10, 22:50
I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?LOL it happeans all the time with me, but do not let it get to you, She may really like you, but it is also a game these girls play, she only wants you to sleep with her and no body else so that you spend more time and give her more money.

The way i see it, as look as you are paying for it, you can go with any girl you want, she is only jealous becouse you are giving your money to someone else and not her, but when she refuses money from you, well that a different matter.

Hioctane
05-13-10, 04:31
You're right amigo, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Of course.

I think it just baffled guys, including me, when you post that all you see is fat, ugly, tijuana tubbies in Colombia.Agree with you 100% Ricker.

Mesocorny, Your standards seem so high. Now I'm interested in some place that you consider is even better than than Medellin! How about some photos too of these smoking hot girls.

Hioctane
05-13-10, 04:33
I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?They are prepagos but they are still human and female! I find the best is to be serious and straight with them... meaning being up front that they are special but your are still going to be seeing other women.

Bango Cheito
05-13-10, 05:49
I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?It's all about the REPEAT business. Girls need repeat clients in order to get the volume they need to be successful.

PLUS some of them are looking at the marrano angle and maybe she was hoping to reel you in.

PLUS it could have been authentic. Prepagos are still women and are not made of wood especially if you are good in bed.

Phunluv
05-13-10, 08:11
Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me, and what an infantile way or debating.You can't be surprised you got some grief when with little history or reports to your record you made some very definitive statements denigrating one of the more popular P4P countries out there. You came of sounding like a troll.

As for your problems with the non-pros, I didn't realize until I reread your earlier posts one possible reason why you weren't too successful. You describe yourself as 24 and Swedish, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. That might work wonders for you in the states or in other countries like Brazil but the thing about Colombian women is they tend to prefer older men, even some of the really young ones.

So it may seem counter-intuitive but you might want to wait a few years and come back when you're 30; but if you're in CTG now, see if you can befriend some Israelis as the ones that come to party in Cartagena are very young and don't have much of a problem getting laid, maybe you'll get some more useful ideas from observing them.

Also, if you had been in CTG at the end of May when the college girls from the interior of the country are done with their semester and start going to the coast for fun and sun, you may have had better results. In that context, you have more working in your favor because you're meeting the girls in "vacation mode" hundreds of miles away from their homes and families. . .

I don't think you're "full of shit" but you did come off sounding callow and inexperienced despite the list of countries you boasted success in, of which I would point out the DR and Brazil certainly have MORE fatties than in Colombia. Only Cuba (which you also mentioned) has skinnier girls and that's because the socialist diet has those girls half-starved! :)

So when you write LDV was just "a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers" it's funny, I got a good laugh, and there's a grain of truth to that but I also know it's exaggeration because the last time I was there, I pulled a girl that's as skinny as they come, and she was pretty with a good attitude, good skills in bed, no bs or flakiness.

So I'd say don't give up on Colombia. Come back in a couple of years and spend at least two weeks in one place if you're serious about making it with the non-pros. Setting up some dates beforehand by chatting with some girls in the cupid web sites can help but you need to be chatting and calling these girls for at least several weeks before your visit so they'll take you seriously. The other way is as I mentioned in my last post: having a local friend to hang out with so you can meet and be introduced to dozens of girls.

Bango Cheito
05-14-10, 05:44
No doubt the DR is an easier place to get laid than Colombia, but like you said, the quality IMHO is much higher in Colombia, not just in terms of looks but attitude, open mindedness etc.

Cubanut
05-15-10, 06:43
You can't be surprised you got some grief when with little history or reports to your record you made some very definitive statements denigrating one of the more popular P4P countries out there. You came of sounding like a troll.

As for your problems with the non-pros, I didn't realize until I reread your earlier posts one possible reason why you weren't too successful. You describe yourself as 24 and Swedish, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. That might work wonders for you in the states or in other countries like Brazil but the thing about Colombian women is they tend to prefer older men, even some of the really young ones.

So it may seem counter-intuitive but you might want to wait a few years and come back when you're 30; but if you're in CTG now, see if you can befriend some Israelis as the ones that come to party in Cartagena are very young and don't have much of a problem getting laid, maybe you'll get some more useful ideas from observing them.

Also, if you had been in CTG at the end of May when the college girls from the interior of the country are done with their semester and start going to the coast for fun and sun, you may have had better results. In that context, you have more working in your favor because you're meeting the girls in "vacation mode" hundreds of miles away from their homes and families. . .

I don't think you're "full of shit" but you did come off sounding callow and inexperienced despite the list of countries you boasted success in, of which I would point out the DR and Brazil certainly have MORE fatties than in Colombia. Only Cuba (which you also mentioned) has skinnier girls and that's because the socialist diet has those girls half-starved! :)

So when you write LDV was just "a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers" it's funny, I got a good laugh, and there's a grain of truth to that but I also know it's exaggeration because the last time I was there, I pulled a girl that's as skinny as they come, and she was pretty with a good attitude, good skills in bed, no bs or flakiness.

So I'd say don't give up on Colombia. Come back in a couple of years and spend at least two weeks in one place if you're serious about making it with the non-pros. Setting up some dates beforehand by chatting with some girls in the cupid web sites can help but you need to be chatting and calling these girls for at least several weeks before your visit so they'll take you seriously. The other way is as I mentioned in my last post: having a local friend to hang out with so you can meet and be introduced to dozens of girls.Phunluv,

I think you hit the problem on the head. I do think that Colombian girls are quite aware that they can be played by the young and attractive foreigners as oppose to being able to play the older ones. Or at least being more in control.

I agree that in places like Cuba, Brazil, DR etc. The girls do like the younger "cutie" types but there is something to be said about being more of a man's man in Colombia. Many older foreigners embody that attractive look.

In fact I had a travel buddy that is also young, tall and blue eyed and in Cuba and Brazil he constantly had girls flaunting over him. Many told him straight out they wanted to fuck him for free just so he would give them a blue-eyed baby. The SAME friend came to Medellin ONCE and has never returned because he just didn't get the same vibe or have the same appeal.

I AM SO GLAD that the young Colombianas DO prefer older men! Like I said they know they can be played by younger attractive men (like the girls always saytheir boyfriends play them). So why should they think a young and attractive foreigner would be any different.

As a side note: I wrote a while back about a young fella I only knew through emails that infiltrated the "In Crowd" of the young and beautiful Paisas only to fuck his friends "virgin" sister and then get his ass beat for doing it.

A 24 year old Swede with blonde hair and blue eyes that likes to fuck a different non-pro girl every 2nd day can have fun in Cuba, Brazil, DR etc. But in Colombia, that same fella may end up the same way my friend did (beaten to a pulp) because of just that.

Mesocorny,

You have years of good sex before you. Enjoy what life brings you and pursue that which it doesn't. But please be respectful and mindful that EVERYONE'S opinion in this world matters.

Oh BTW- Who the heck ever said going to LDV at 1-2 am was a good idea? (Mesocorny wrote that this is when he went) By that time all the hotties have been pulled for the night. I used go right before the doors opened for business and sit and wait for the pussy to show up (outside). Many times pulling a hottie before she even entered LDV. The fuck did I need to sit in a bar for when I had booze and a jacuzzi back at the apartment?

Cheers,

Cubanut

PS. You never mentioned anything about visiting Casa Blanca (previously La Mansion). Too bad because you could have easily hooked up with young model looking types. Like Angie.

Sammytheman
05-16-10, 02:23
Guys I just subscribed to colombiancupid.com I wanted to know how do you guys interact with girls? Do you buy a premium membership? Its just that when I try to send chix emails, it asks me to buy shit!

Thanks.

Phunluv
05-16-10, 08:03
phunluv,

i think you hit the problem on the head. i do think that colombian girls are quite aware that they can be played by the young and attractive foreigners as oppose to being able to play the older ones. or at least being more in control.

i agree that in places like cuba, brazil, dr etc. the girls do like the younger "cutie" types but there is something to be said about being more of a man's man in colombia. many older foreigners embody that attractive look.thanks cn. that's a good point about the girls knowing you're just there to play them and "pump and dump." i was actually thinking more along cultural and economic lines but i don't want to get into a whole spiel on that, i'll just give an example:

you mentioned your young friend's problems in medellin; that reminds me when i was chatting last week with a 30 yr old bogotana i dated and bedded a couple of times (we still talk over the phone every once in a while) who laughingly told me about a "ken doll" who was trying to get with her. i found the "ken doll" reference interesting because she said it in a joking, even disparaging way which got me thinking about mesocorny's issues when he posted his followup.

don't get me wrong. they're attracted to the "ken doll" but that may not be enough to get her to fuck him much less consider him as serious bf material. plus, there's always the gossip circuit and peer pressure that young non-pros are particularly subjected to. that can be another barrier or factor working against meso (as well as with older mongers).

Ricker
05-16-10, 20:22
... In fact I had a travel buddy that is also young, tall and blue eyed and in Cuba and Brazil he constantly had girls flaunting over him. Many told him straight out they wanted to fuck him for free just so he would give them a blue-eyed baby. The SAME friend came to Medellin ONCE and has never returned because he just didn't get the same vibe or have the same appeal.

I AM SO GLAD that the young Colombianas DO prefer older men! Like I said they know they can be played by younger attractive men (like the girls always saytheir boyfriends play them). So why should they think a young and attractive foreigner would be any different ...I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.

I don't really notice a difference really between Colombia and Brazil in that respect.

Just like in Colombia, as you see in areas like Parque Lleras, where the more affluent hang out, the girls will generally be with guys their own age.

I've observed the same in Brazil.

At the social-economic levels where the younger native guys tend to be more jerk-offs, the girls tend to appreciate the older guy. In both Colombia and Brazil as well as countries in between.

I do have to add, though the beauty in the faces of some Paisas you'll see is hard to match, I would give a definite edge in general to the Brasileira in terms of overall sexyness and attitude.

Good luck amigos.

Soldierb11
05-17-10, 01:35
I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.

I don't really notice a difference really between Colombia and Brazil in that respect.

Just like in Colombia, as you see in areas like Parque Lleras, where the more affluent hang out, the girls will generally be with guys their own age.

I've observed the same in Brazil.

At the social-economic levels where the younger native guys tend to be more jerk-offs, the girls tend to appreciate the older guy. In both Colombia and Brazil as well as countries in between.

I do have to add, though the beauty in the faces of some Paisas you'll see is hard to match, I would give a definite edge in general to the Brasileira in terms of overall sexyness and attitude.

Good luck amigos.Thats exactly what I have seen too, the colombianas really prefer older guys.

Mi novia down in Colombia says I am almost too young for her(she is 25 and I am 41)

Her 1st boyfriend was 45 when she was 15, and when she was 18 she had a kid with a dude in his forties.

Her cousin told me pretty much the same story, 1st boyfriend when she was 15 and guy was in forties.

Great news for all of us.

Phunluv
05-17-10, 06:01
I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.Ricker,

I know you've been praising Sao Paulo for awhile now and I was considering skipping Rio and checking out SP on my next trip to Brazil but SP is so enormous and I've read about the insane traffic problems there. I know this is way off-topic but was wondering how you deal with, or work around that. You can PM me or post something in the Brazil board so we can keep this page about Colombia. :)

Goga Fung
05-17-10, 06:40
Guys I just subscribed to colombiancupid.com I wanted to know how do you guys interact with girls? Do you buy a premium membership? Its just that when I try to send chix emails, it asks me to buy shit!

Thanks.I think you need to pay something($20-30) in order to contact girls. For multiple months they give discount. I subscribed to Colombiancupid a year ago, and actually met a couple of girls, one was my girlfriend for a while. So in my opinion it is not a bad deal. Also another site http://www.romancelatina.com/ gives at least one month free, and then some monthly fee $6 I believe.
I believe such websites is a good way to get girls info prior to your trip, and it actually saves you money and time, therefore I do not have any problem with the fact that their service is not free.

Bango Cheito
05-17-10, 21:51
I do have to make a little contribution on this subject. It would seem that really Colombian girls don't give much of a flying fuck about the age of guys they love, to them love is love and they really don't care about things like that. The one I thought it made such a big difference to is just a fucking liar. It does seem to make a big difference not being fat though! The more weight I lose the better I do.

European Man
05-18-10, 00:28
Hi to all,

Could somebody say to me how and where(city) is possible to obtain the LONG time in Colobia?

Is it possible to find girls in disco/street obtaining the long time for reasonable prices? (I'm saying if is possible to obtain the same result how in Pattaya, Angels city and so on where you pay the night with illimitated sessions to freelances.)

If it is possible do you know the range of prices(I know that could be difference among girls but one thing is 20-30 EUR and another thing is 100-150 EUR!)

Do you have experience about its?

Regards

Ricker
05-18-10, 00:28
Ricker,

I know you've been praising Sao Paulo for awhile now and I was considering skipping Rio and checking out SP on my next trip to Brazil but SP is so enormous and I've read about the insane traffic problems there. I know this is way off-topic but was wondering how you deal with, or work around that. You can PM me or post something in the Brazil board so we can keep this page about Colombia. :)Hey, I'll get back to ya soon on that amigo.

I'm on the road traveling at the moment.

In a few days.

Taker easy!!

Sammytheman
05-18-10, 06:28
Thats exactly what I have seen too, the colombianas really prefer older guys.

Mi novia down in Colombia says I am almost too young for her(she is 25 and I am 41)

Her 1st boyfriend was 45 when she was 15, and when she was 18 she had a kid with a dude in his forties.

Her cousin told me pretty much the same story, 1st boyfriend when she was 15 and guy was in forties.

Great news for all of us.Not only Colombians. I think in poor countries women don't give a fook how old you are as long as you are rich or even better, from a rich 1st world country. When I was in Dominican Republic, my driver was in his early 40s, average looking, but he had money!!! This guys would flirt with bartenders / waitresses as young as 18 and they would flirt back.

Hioctane
05-18-10, 14:28
Hi to all,

Could somebody say to me how and where(city) is possible to obtain the LONG time in Colobia?

Is it possible to find girls in disco/street obtaining the long time for reasonable prices? (I'm saying if is possible to obtain the same result how in Pattaya, Angels city and so on where you pay the night with illimitated sessions to freelances.)

If it is possible do you know the range of prices(I know that could be difference among girls but one thing is 20-30 EUR and another thing is 100-150 EUR!)

Do you have experience about its?

RegardsWhat is your definition of "long time"? A night? A day + night? A couple of days, weeks, months? Do you speak spanish? Obviously it helps more if you do. The range of prices vary so much depending on how you treat them.

Viajero
05-18-10, 20:27
What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.

Bango Cheito
05-19-10, 07:06
Welcome to Colombia bro. I've been saying this all along. Colombian women are awesome but they are NOT easy catches. Not the ones that are worth it anyways.

I don't know why you are asking for advice on here when she gave you the perfect advice already (although if you scroll down a page or so you will find I already said the exact same thing). Make sure your Spanish is excellent, learn to dance, learn the local culture. Colombian women are very much into the idea of falling in love with you IF you bring shit to the table, and that means shit over and above what you have in your wallet. Good luck!


What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.

Goga Fung
05-19-10, 15:03
What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.She was probably testing you. Or she just did not wanna be your GF anyways, not because of Spanish or dancing. If you were there only for a week, then it would explain a lot. It is better to tell her you were gonna move to Colombia.

What she said was complete BS. I do not think they care too much about dancing, but they probably more care about your Spanish. You could have told her that she was gonna teach you Spanish and dancing.

One year ago I had a GF(a professional girl) in Colombia for a while, went to probably 5-6 dates dates first before any sex, had good time going to restaurants and places, while she was on her period gave real great BJ, she did not give crap about my dancing, never danced with her. Also she was helping with Spanish, explaining different shit.

But then got tired of thinking of her, spending too much time, etc.. I had to sneak out to go to casas, then lying to her that I was doing some repairs in my apartment. So I chose not to have any girlfriends there anymore, too much BS, their jelausy, etc.. although it's good way to learn Spanish and some romantic words which you can later use with other girls.

Also before her I dumped another girl(had only 2 dates with her), she got very upset and asked a thousand questions in emails why I did it. I do not like to do this kinda stuff.

So eventually I switched back to "easy" girls. For me its much more fun than "non-pros". I can tell them anything I want, I can ask anything, I can change them anytime. They do not get offended. Still the amount of money spend is pretty much comparable. Instead of going to dinners, events, travel, gifts, the money goes directly to the "pros". So I guess it depends on what you like. You can chose what you want to do. For non-pros you definitely need much more time and nerves.

John Gault
05-19-10, 15:50
What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.The on line dating sites are your best bet. Also you must learn how to dance. Not only very important to the Chicas but would be fun for you also.

On second thought just do like me and stick with the Pro's. If your ego needs boosting then pretend that they really like you.

All women want something from you as you want something from them. It is just way more honest to deal with a good Pro. In Colombia there are plenty of good honest pro's. You just have to hunt for them.

Good luck.

Marines
05-19-10, 16:30
I have an apartment in Bogota, I get girlfriends and GFE pro's all the time. I have not been to medallin yet.

I speak spanish and travel live in Bogota 2 weeks out of the month. (god bless stock options)

Question: Is it really worth my time going to Medallin for non-pro's...? If I strike out one night, are there (pre-pago's) or non mechanical woman that work for school money etc?

I am good looking, bodybuilder physic...and have money to spend so I am not cheap.

Bogota is my backyard, so just curious if I would have as much fun in Medallin knowing I dont like to pay, rather find local first then pay if I strike out.

Thanks guys!

European Man
05-20-10, 01:44
What is your definition of "long time"? A night? A day + night? A couple of days, weeks, months? Do you speak spanish? Obviously it helps more if you do. The range of prices vary so much depending on how you treat them.Hi,

I intend the night and yes I understand spanish.

El Rey De Pollo
05-20-10, 02:49
PS. You never mentioned anything about visiting Casa Blanca (previously La Mansion). Too bad because you could have easily hooked up with young model looking types. Like Angie.What's she a model for Marlboro?

Sorry, dude, couldn't help it. I take it from your name we share interest in the same country. I have been around in Colombia, and although honestly not impressed with the girls there, this one looks like she needs a good 20 hour nap.

Chesscat
05-20-10, 14:59
OK, I'll take her.

John Gault
05-20-10, 15:05
So many guys lately posting how they are not that impressed with the girls in Colombia. Just yesterday I took a rare stroll in Pobaldo (I am mostly a Centro or Mayorista hunter). Anyway while walking from the Parke to the Metro I saw two Stunners and at least 5 or 6 others who were very pretty.

In the 11 days I have been here I have been drooling over all the women here who I need to have. You guys need to tell me where you see girls better than the ones I am looking at right now. If you will do that for me then my next trip will be at that location.

El Rey De Pollo
05-21-10, 02:23
In attempt to contribute to this, and somewhat following up on the mesocorny guys attack on Colombia, here are my two centavos.

Well, background, first, since first post in Colombia forum: Cuba regular. Not because it's best for mongering, but because it's like my second home. Been to Colombia twice, both times for 1½ month. Been in all parts of Colombia, so know the country well, but would not call myself near the expert on Colombia as I probably am on Cuba. 35 but all the girls over there think I am 25-28. Nice looking, no bodybuilder, just a straight up decent looking guy with semi-blond hair and nice blue eyes (I am not that nice, luckily my eyes say so :-)

Anyway,

Taking a stroll in Poblado, especially a stroll around Lleras on a Friday or Saturday night, there is no place on earth where one will see more good looking girls.

Like the corny guy, my taste is the young, slim, beauties. Plenty of those. Hundreds. And even for a guy like myself into 18-19 year olds, the quality there is so massive, that I even see plenty of 25 and 30 year olds, even some 40-50 year old MILF's, I'd do anytime.

But are they (generally speaking) doable? No.

Colombian woman er not desperate for 'white' men as they are in many other countries in that hemisphere. Or at least, it's not in their culture to act so. Sure, they're doable if you live in Medellin and you're willing to take them out, get to know them, charm them, use money on them. But are any of these girls going to go home with you on that first night even if you're young, speak spanish and can do some charming? No way. They're approachable, yes. Colombianas are not arrogant. But it's not going any further than that. Talk is fine, fuck is bad.

So then there are strip joints and casas, and I must agree that for a guy who likes slim women, Colombia is not the place. Again, unless you live there, and have all the time (and money) in the world to date, date and date. Because the far part of Colombian prepagos, I agree, are, how shall we put it, 'con carne'. Not only with the tits but also with the ass. I can't believe when I meet a girl there with a nice, small, round ass, and she seriously plans to get implants. In the god damn ass! I hate the plastic-work going on in Colombia. It's gone waaay overboard. It's like every girl, when she turns 18 and sets goals for her life, says to herself: I want a boyfriend, a nice house, a car, new tits and ass.

Where in Centro do you hunt? When I go in there, I hit 3-4 stripjoints and never saw anyone hot. And from the cab I see the streetwalkers. Talking about ugly hookers. Mayrista, I must admit, no expert there. Been there, but not looked for girls. But when you mention it in the same sentence as Centro I take it it's similar. If that is your type of girls, and the types of girls that makes you guys love Colombia, then count me out.

I love Colombia. But it's far from my favourite place to go for women. To me it's like this: The hot ones are only available to date and for steady relationships and the pros are 95% fat-assed or just not attractive. I admit there are gems, but jesus christ does someone with my taste have to spend many nights and go through many clubs and casas to find a gem.

So for straight up mongering, i would take Brazil any day of the week. Argentina as well. Costa Rica. I could go on. Cuba is a different subject. I can score there as I can't believe myself, and get a new hot 18 year old flaquita every day. But that's from being there about 3 years in total, speaking spanish and knowing how things work there. I see thousands of lost gringos there wandering around with no luck. The other thing is that I like myself a colored girl, and to be honest there are few hot white girls available in Cuba. Then there's the hassle in Cuba and the people that hang around you like flies 24/7 hoping you'll drop a dollar. None of that in Colombia (Exceptfor on the coast). I love that about Colombia: That a foreigner is just another person walking and that they have self-respect enough to leave people the fuck alone.

So in conclusion. If the Colombian-style voloptuos latina with tits and big round ass is your thing, I wouldn't know where to advice you to go. And if P4P is your only interest on top, then I can imagine that Colombia is paradise for you. Because god damned there are lots of hookers en Colombia! Have any of you ever known a normal colombiana who did not have at least 2-3 friends who were prepagos? I have not.

Me, I like myself a young flaquita who is promiscuous enough to fuck the first day she meets a guy (because I'm an asshole that just wants pussy and new girls all the time). And so Colombia is not for me in that aspect.

My dos centavos.


So many guys lately posting how they are not inpressed with the girls in Colombia. Just yesterday I took a rare stroll in Pobaldo (I am mostly a Centro or Mayorista hunter). Anyway while walking from the Parke to the Metro I saw two Stunners and at least 5 or 6 others who were very pretty.

In the 11 days I have been here I have been drooling over all the women here who I need to have. You guys need to tell me where you see girls better than the ones I am looking at right now. If you will do that for me than my next trip will be at that location.

Cubanut
05-21-10, 13:59
In attempt to contribute to this, and somewhat following up on the mesocorny guys attack on Colombia, here are my two centavos.El Rey De Pollo,

You could at least have the decency to advise the readers that up to a few days ago your handle on this board was Mesocorny. So your follow up on the "Mesocorny guys attack on Colombia" is actually your "continuing attack" but just under a different name.

Please be respectful that not everyone can agree on all things especially when it comes to Mongering. Example is you and I love Cuba yet there are a ton of guys that will say Cuba is shit and the girls are fat and ugly. You and I know different.

So while so many guys (myself included) write about how much they enjoy Colombia, why do you think you were attacked out here for saying that all the girls you see in Colombia are fat and ugly?

Everyone has a different taste in women. You have made it clear (over & over again) you like them thin and gorgeous (and free). Yet you won't take (or don't have) the time to get with the ones you want. This is a fact yourself have admitted has been your biggest problem. Thankfully I like them all. All I ask is that they have all their teeth.

You have written how you love Colombia in a few posts but you have made it clear (several times) that you don't like Colombia for Mongering. So "Happy Mongering" elsewhere.

I am wondering how many more times will you post and tell us how much you are disappointed with mongering in Colombia (and under what name)?

Cheers,

Cubanut

Bango Cheito
05-21-10, 15:14
I agree in many ways, I date NPs all the time here. And sometimes you don't even kiss on the first date. It's just the way things are here.

I have even had girls on many many occasions tell me that they want the first date to be simple, grab a cup of coffee and talk, nothing more. They don't want any expensive dates until they get to know me better.

Bango Cheito
05-21-10, 15:19
1) nobody no matter how promiscuous, wants to be fucked once and then ignored. it just feels like shit. colombian girls are generally smart enough not to fall for this.

2) the girls are very rightly concerned about somebody slipping something in their drink and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) them. that's why they want to get to know you before they trust you. scopolamine is the ultimate date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug.

Hioctane
05-21-10, 17:32
In attempt to contribute to this, and somewhat following up on the mesocorny guys attack on Colombia, here are my two centavos.

Well, background, first, since first post in Colombia forum: Cuba regular. Not because it's best for mongering, but because it's like my second home. Been to Colombia twice, both times for 1½ month. Been in all parts of Colombia, so know the country well, but would not call myself near the expert on Colombia as I probably am on Cuba. 35 but all the girls over there think I am 25-28. Nice looking, no bodybuilder, just a straight up decent looking guy with semi-blond hair and nice blue eyes (I am not that nice, luckily my eyes say so :-)

Anyway,

Taking a stroll in Poblado, especially a stroll around Lleras on a Friday or Saturday night, there is no place on earth where one will see more good looking girls.

Like the corny guy, my taste is the young, slim, beauties. Plenty of those. Hundreds. And even for a guy like myself into 18-19 year olds, the quality there is so massive, that I even see plenty of 25 and 30 year olds, even some 40-50 year old MILF's, I'd do anytime.

But are they (generally speaking) doable? No.

Colombian woman er not desperate for 'white' men as they are in many other countries in that hemisphere. Or at least, it's not in their culture to act so. Sure, they're doable if you live in Medellin and you're willing to take them out, get to know them, charm them, use money on them. But are any of these girls going to go home with you on that first night even if you're young, speak spanish and can do some charming? No way. They're approachable, yes. Colombianas are not arrogant. But it's not going any further than that. Talk is fine, fuck is bad.

So then there are strip joints and casas, and I must agree that for a guy who likes slim women, Colombia is not the place. Again, unless you live there, and have all the time (and money) in the world to date, date and date. Because the far part of Colombian prepagos, I agree, are, how shall we put it, 'con carne'. Not only with the tits but also with the ass. I can't believe when I meet a girl there with a nice, small, round ass, and she seriously plans to get implants. In the god damn ass! I hate the plastic-work going on in Colombia. It's gone waaay overboard. It's like every girl, when she turns 18 and sets goals for her life, says to herself: I want a boyfriend, a nice house, a car, new tits and ass.

Where in Centro do you hunt? When I go in there, I hit 3-4 stripjoints and never saw anyone hot. And from the cab I see the streetwalkers. Talking about ugly hookers. Mayrista, I must admit, no expert there. Been there, but not looked for girls. But when you mention it in the same sentence as Centro I take it it's similar. If that is your type of girls, and the types of girls that makes you guys love Colombia, then count me out.

I love Colombia. But it's far from my favourite place to go for women. To me it's like this: The hot ones are only available to date and for steady relationships and the pros are 95% fat-assed or just not attractive. I admit there are gems, but jesus christ does someone with my taste have to spend many nights and go through many clubs and casas to find a gem.

So for straight up mongering, i would take Brazil any day of the week. Argentina as well. Costa Rica. I could go on. Cuba is a different subject. I can score there as I can't believe myself, and get a new hot 18 year old flaquita every day. But that's from being there about 3 years in total, speaking spanish and knowing how things work there. I see thousands of lost gringos there wandering around with no luck. The other thing is that I like myself a colored girl, and to be honest there are few hot white girls available in Cuba. Then there's the hassle in Cuba and the people that hang around you like flies 24/7 hoping you'll drop a dollar. None of that in Colombia (Exceptfor on the coast). I love that about Colombia: That a foreigner is just another person walking and that they have self-respect enough to leave people the fuck alone.

So in conclusion. If the Colombian-style voloptuos latina with tits and big round ass is your thing, I wouldn't know where to advice you to go. And if P4P is your only interest on top, then I can imagine that Colombia is paradise for you. Because god damned there are lots of hookers en Colombia! Have any of you ever known a normal colombiana who did not have at least 2-3 friends who were prepagos? I have not.

Me, I like myself a young flaquita who is promiscuous enough to fuck the first day she meets a guy (because I'm an asshole that just wants pussy and new girls all the time). And so Colombia is not for me in that aspect.

My dos centavos.Hl Rey,

Thanks for your dos centavos! Your preferences give a clearly picture of why Colombia is not the best place for you. Like I've said many times. Everyone has their own tastes. I would agree. If you like slim and natural, Colombia might not be for you. I (and many others) like to call it the "boob capital" of the world. Colombianas are into plastic surgery. Boobs and ass. Again, if natural is your thing. Might want to look elsewhere. As for light and dark. If you like light, go to MDE. If you like dark, go to the coast. As for Mayorista and El Centro. They are no where close. In El Centro, I'm talking about the casas. It's where the new young, up and comers start out. You're likely find more naturals there (before they can afford their implants). As for girls that will sleep with you on the first date. Doesn't that make them a pro in a non-pro disguise? It's like saying you picked up a non-pro and fucked her on the first date in Sosua DR. Hello. There are no non-pros in Sosua DR (generalizing here). LOL

Different strokes for different folks!

Chesscat
05-21-10, 21:52
no actually mr. pollo's report is very well done. but as for me i don't get the guys who can't find what they want in medellin. when i go back, i could, and may very well, arrange to be with v the first night, see the 2nd, w the 3rd, then l, m and a, and then start with new girls. or i could start with new girls. but in any event, i agree with what a number of guys have whispered lately, your experience is yours, only, that is, mine is my own world. anyway, i'm working on my salsa, which most of my friends think is kind of strange, but i will surprise them! also, on my next trip i'm going to try out as many love motels as i can manage, and report back to you. i like the idea of a lazy jacuzzi with the beautiful girls i know, before consummating our friendship (again). but again, it is what it is, for you, and for no one else.

chesrep001

Hioctane
05-22-10, 06:03
Does anybody have the contact info of a recommended lawyer in Medellin?

Preferably one that speaks English. I'm looking for someone that has a business law background.

Phunluv
05-22-10, 08:12
If you're looking to get laid with a non-pro on the first date, then Cuba is probably your best bet. Yet Cuba is an exception in so many ways, what else could you expect from a communist basket case country where 99% of the women under 30 would leave it if given the chance? Plus it's the Caribbean which is more sensual, laid back about sex, etc. So boasting about one's "success" in Cuba with the non-pros is like boasting about the fish you shot in the barrel! :)

If you can't stand the sight or touch of silicone, then Colombia may not be for you. I will also concede that Colombia has its share of fatties, especially as you go down into the lower-end venues. But in sum, I've seen and sessioned more flacas than gordas. Unless you absolutely insist in model-thin girls 100% of the time, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Just take a look at Cubanut's latest batch of pics from Casa Blanca, he doesn't seem to have any problem finding flacas, LOL! But if model-thin top-shelf is your thing, you'll have to do some more research and legwork and networking than just reading the ISG reports.

Finally, I've become skeptical over this monger "hat trick" of bedding a "non-pro" on the first date. I actually think that's more likely to happen in the states than in a Latin country, with the notable exceptions of Cuba (and Brazil in 2nd place); so there's no need to travel far if that's you're thing, there are better options or ways to achieve that.

And in any case, I suspect most of the colombianas your average gringo can close the deal with on the first date are either crazy sluts or part-time pros. In other words, you weren't the first guy they screwed on a first date and you most certainly won't be the last! LMAO! Maybe I'm getting too old and cynical, but what's the big deal here? I don't see much of a difference anymore between that and sessioning with a pro. And often enough, I prefer the straightforward dealing with the pro, than putting up with all the bs of the dating process with the "non-pro" not to mention her flakiness.

Napalm
05-22-10, 15:59
So eventually I switched back to "easy" girls. For me its much more fun than "non-pros". I can tell them anything I want, I can ask anything, I can change them anytime. They do not get offended. Still the amount of money spend is pretty much comparable. Instead of going to dinners, events, travel, gifts, the money goes directly to the "pros". So I guess it depends on what you like. You can chose what you want to do. For non-pros you definitely need much more time and nerves.This is why I prefer to pay for pussy! I like strange. I just want to fuck lots of different beautiful women. I dislike playing games and having to dance around the fact that I just want to fuck as soon as possible. If some guys like the chase and feeling of conquest of bedding a non pro then more power to them. If you've got a steady girl that's not a gold digger it may indeed be a little cheaper than paying for it all the time but like I said. I like strange. I like sticking my pecker in hot young girls that I just met not more than a few minutes ago.

I think if I ever did have the urge to chase after some non pro tail I would probably do it after I had already hit a casa or whatever. Bust my daily nut and then when I was dealing with the non pro I wouldn't be so horny and just thinking about trying to bone.

As a side note I think all my years of mongering have finally caught up to me. Now when I'm stateside and boning a "normal" girl I always feel like getting up and leaving as soon as I bust a nut. Even when she's at my place! It's like torture laying there with her afterward and wondering how I can get her to leave as soon as possible and still be able to get some at a later date.

Bango Cheito
05-22-10, 17:48
Actually ime. The regular colombian girls and boys do not like surgery. It's kind of a subculture here. It's really not the social norm either. But once again the girls that are likely not to be operated are also the ones who want to hang out with you a month or two before they give up the poon.


Hl Rey,

Thanks for your dos centavos! Your preferences give a clearly picture of why Colombia is not the best place for you. Like I've said many times. Everyone has their own tastes. I would agree. If you like slim and natural, Colombia might not be for you. I (and many others) like to call it the "boob capital" of the world. Colombianas are into plastic surgery. Boobs and ass. Again, if natural is your thing. Might want to look elsewhere. As for light and dark. If you like light, go to MDE. If you like dark, go to the coast. As for Mayorista and El Centro. They are no where close. In El Centro, I'm talking about the casas. It's where the new young, up and comers start out. You're likely find more naturals there (before they can afford their implants). As for girls that will sleep with you on the first date. Doesn't that make them a pro in a non-pro disguise? It's like saying you picked up a non-pro and fucked her on the first date in Sosua DR. Hello. There are no non-pros in Sosua DR (generalizing here). LOL

Different strokes for different folks!

El Rey De Pollo
05-23-10, 00:37
not sure i said cuba was easy for doing non-pros the first night. i think i said i have seen a shitload of disappointed mongers scraping themselves around the streets finding nothing. the good girls there are generally speaking scared to shit to just talk to a foreigner because that can get them in a world of shit with the authorities, their neighbors. or both.

in fact, i find cuba more and more uncharmiong and uninteresting in that aspect. 15 years ago it was amazing. not you have a a population thats frightened to talk with foreigners. and the putas, people say havana is full of hookers, but if you spend months there and hit the 5-7 big clubs on a regular basis, you will soon realize it's the same 100 hookers touring the clubs.

i don't mind silicone above so much. below i find it stupid. but that's because i never got into that fat-latin-booty thing. but i see there are loads of websites only with big-ass latinas, so it must be popular.

actually, my personal opinion is that south america as a whole has just about been ruined. i first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. that is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. this is just how i am seeing it. i could be wrong and just have lost my overview. and memories from back then may have been painted.

cubanut? what the heck are you talking about? i know you from before. i changed my name from traveling gring to this name a few days ago. because the first was always a typo. i think we've talked on the cuba forum in the past?

in any case, don't know the guy. and sure ain't the guy. ask jackson to check my ip. whatever.

Ricker
05-23-10, 15:02
Actually, my personal opinion is that South America as a whole has just about been ruined. I first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. Too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. That is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. Which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. This is just how I am seeing it. I could be wrong and just have lost my overview. And memories from back then may have been painted.I agree with you, but not completely.

There are still areas in SA where not many gringos travel or have traveled, and lots of good fun is still about.

I know where you´re coming from though and I feel the same way about the more traveled and popular destinations of SA.

Soldierb11
05-23-10, 16:17
Imo all pussy is P4P in one way or the other. There are 3 different, basic approaches and all acceptable and just a matter of personal preference.

#1- go to a casa like Atenea in MDE and pay about 30kCOP for an half hour. Or have Tony hook you up on the beach in CTG for a short time girl

#2- go to a place like LDV in CTG, find a pro there and pay about 200COP for TLN and then if you have a good connection extend it into a GFE and spend a few more days with her

#3- pickup some non-pro in a club, shopping mall, beach, etc.

Date 1- maybe just a coffee somewhere (25k)

Date 2-Take her to a nice dinner in Plaza San Pedro (100k or more depending on drink choices) then maybe dancing(another 50k for entrance and drinks)

Date 3- another dinner perhaps in Argentinean steak house(at least 100k) then more dancing and hopefully then she will go home with you and give up the pussy.

Hopefully she gives it up and you don't have to go on dates 4-5 to get what you want

Doesn't matter which strategy we use, we still always P4P(even back home) Each of us prefers different approaches and to each their own.

Right now I usually prefer #2, that doesn't make it the best way, its just the way I prefer at this time

Since there has been a lot of talk recently about #3, how to get that non-pro. I have just a few suggestions

1. LEARN SOME SPANISH, to score with a non-pro it is essential. Now you do not have to be fluent just a good background and then work on your spanish down in Colombia with a lovely "long haired dictionary"

2. Clothes- Colombia is NOT Pattaya. Do not go out at night in cargo shorts, a Singha beer tank top and sandals. Try long pants, button up shirt and nice shoes and your odds will go up significantly compared to the guy next to you in his "Thailand mongering uniform"

3. Dancing- the better dancer you are the easier it will be to pickup a non-pro. But do not be discouraged if you can't dance just try try try. Latinas love to dance(obviously) and enjoy teaching you how.

4. Age differences- it is very common for colombianas to date men 15 years or more older than they are. A good percentage of them actually prefer an older man. Age does not matter to them very much its your attitude. So if you are 55 and act young and energetic you will have much better luck than a 45 year old thats acts old and worn out. If you are 25, do not act like a frat boy on spring break in Cancun. Latinas prefer a little maturity in their men, in fact if I was 25 years old and in Colombia I would lie and say I was 32 years or something.

Anyways that my 2 pesos, doesn't matter what you do as long as you are enjoying yourself.

Hilltopper
05-23-10, 18:36
not sure i said cuba was easy for doing non-pros the first night. i think i said i have seen a shitload of disappointed mongers scraping themselves around the streets finding nothing. the good girls there are generally speaking scared to shit to just talk to a foreigner because that can get them in a world of shit with the authorities, their neighbors. or both.

in fact, i find cuba more and more uncharmiong and uninteresting in that aspect. 15 years ago it was amazing. not you have a a population thats frightened to talk with foreigners. and the putas, people say havana is full of hookers, but if you spend months there and hit the 5-7 big clubs on a regular basis, you will soon realize it's the same 100 hookers touring the clubs.

i don't mind silicone above so much. below i find it stupid. but that's because i never got into that fat-latin-booty thing. but i see there are loads of websites only with big-ass latinas, so it must be popular.

actually, my personal opinion is that south america as a whole has just about been ruined. i first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. that is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. this is just how i am seeing it. i could be wrong and just have lost my overview. and memories from back then may have been painted.

cubanut? what the heck are you talking about? i know you from before. i changed my name from traveling gring to this name a few days ago. because the first was always a typo. i think we've talked on the cuba forum in the past?

in any case, don't know the guy. and sure ain't the guy. ask jackson to check my ip. whatever.i'm sure it must be a software glitch that has caused the poster mesco's posts to be combined with your travelling gring posts and now el rey de pollo posts. i'm convinced it has to be a glitch because after reading back through the history of your trip reports it's obvious to see that there are many inconsistancies in factual information reported by the 3 different (yet combined) poster names on various forums here, i.e., your age, expierences, etc. the only common traits the three posters appear to have is that they are antagonistic toward other posters, and as an astute poster so eloquently opined below---full of shit.

has to be a software glitch....right?

Dcpublius
05-24-10, 04:25
I will be coming up to Bogota this weekend for a few days. Is there a Bogota 101 FAQ anywhere? I'm used to places like Bangkok where newbs can get around the scene very easily. I don't speak any Spanish. What's my play? Searched the net. Found lots of minute details. But little general info on how newbs should proceed.

El Rey De Pollo
05-24-10, 14:04
I must lack something in the brain-department, but don't understand nada of what you're saying. Please hook up with Jackson for an IP check or explain to me in simple words what combination you are talking about. Going through your own posting history you seem to have severe problems expressing yourself, even though I take it English is your primary language. So I take you calling me antagonistic and full of shit with a grain of salt. Allow me to call you a sorry sucker trying to suck up to veteran posters at every chance presented. I can't really call you full of shit, as you seem to have no opinions of your own, but your tongue must have a constant taste of shit from all the asslicking you're doing.

In any case, please explain to a full-of-shit retard like myself what the fuck you are talking about, and how many names you think I am posting under and how you would prefer to document that.


I'm sure it must be a software glitch that has caused the poster Mesco's posts to be combined with your Travelling Gring posts and now El Rey De Pollo posts. I'm convinced it has to be a glitch because after reading back through the history of your trip reports it's obvious to see that there are many inconsistancies in factual information reported by the 3 different (yet combined) poster names on various forums here, i.e., your age, expierences, etc. The only common traits the three posters appear to have is that they are antagonistic toward other posters, and as an astute poster so eloquently opined below---full of shit.

Has to be a software glitch....right?

Rainman3
05-24-10, 15:54
I will be coming up to Bogota this weekend for a few days. Is there a Bogota 101 FAQ anywhere? I'm used to places like Bangkok where newbs can get around the scene very easily. I don't speak any Spanish. What's my play? Searched the net. Found lots of minute details. But little general info on how newbs should proceed.Bro,

With no Spanish skills you will definitley need a guide in Bogota.

Things would have been much easier for you if you would have booked Medellin and stayed at one of the Monger Motels and barring that Cartagena would have been easier.

Be careful, be safe Y Buena Suerte!

Rainman3

Hilltopper
05-24-10, 21:27
Dude, click on your own reporting history and you will see that the reports from Travelling Gring, Mesocorny and El Rey De Pollo are all from the same poster-you. That's what Cubanut called you out on when you replied to Mesocorny's post as El Rey De Pollo. You were commenting on your own report, but presenting it to us here that you were a different poster than Mesocorny.

Mesocorny showed up on the Colombia forum back in March as a 24 year-old Swede wondering about the legality of bangin' a 17-year old Colombiana (see below), before he and his 22-year old buddy made a return trip to Cartagena.

When you changed your name to El Rey De Pollo, your posts as Mesocorny merged to your new name, along with all your prior posts as Travelling Gring in the Cuba forum.

You were exposed by Cubanut and any person can read back through your prior posts to see that you've presented differning facts as to things like your age, how many times you've been to Cuba, etc.

I orginally responded to you in good faith as Mesocorny to provide you with my experience in dealing with non-pro Colombianas. At the time, I thought you were legit and tried to share helpful information with you, but it was all a hoax on your part. Now, you have zero credibility as far as I'm concerned.

You probably know the old saying-fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'll leave it at being fooled once by Mesocorny and regard anything you now post as El Rey De Pollo as a fairytale.

Top of the day to you.


Originally Posted by Mesocorny

Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.

Pana Nyc
05-24-10, 22:33
Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.


4. Age differences- it is very common for colomebianas to date men 15 years or more older than they are. A good percentage of them actually prefer an older man. Age does not matter to them very much its your attitude. So if you are 55 and act young and energetic you will have much better luck than a 45 year old thats acts old and worn out. If you are 25, do not act like a frat boy on spring break in Cancun. Latinas prefer a little maturity in their men, in fact if I was 25 years old and in Colombia I would lie and say I was 32 years or something.

Anyways that my 2 pesos, doesn't matter what you do as long as you are enjoying yourself.

El Rey De Pollo
05-25-10, 01:25
Okay, got to apologize then. Not for posting under different names, because believe it or not, I am not. But for coming at you. Checked my history and you are right. I've got that guys posts in my posting history as posted under the name I just changed to (simply because gringo makes everyone think I am American...)

Guess this is to no avail. Other than to ask Jackson what's up. You have now presented documentation and it sure looks like documentation. But if you've done your research down through the years I've been on, you'll see that (apart from being antagonistic as you seem to think I am) I've been around the Cuba forum helping out loads of guys. Why the f*** would I suddenly be posting under another name of some 20 year old guy in the Colombia forum wanting help? Wouldn't my chances of getting help be better if I was myself? Someone with a history of helping others and more posts to my name?

mesocorny: Could you post something? Would love to see if a new post from you goes into my history as well. Tried a PM, but can't write you.

Okay, that's cool. I haven't posted anything here for a long time because I was only active on the Cuba forum and that forum got infested with lies. Like the Colombia forum. Guess I shouldn't have returned. Whatever. Cheers and good luck in Colombia. Wish I was there.

Soldierb11
05-25-10, 13:07
Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.I get this from what I have seen and been told. I met a girl last year at LDV, was a great GFE, so I went back and had another great week of GFE with her, now she is more a girlfriend than a GFE and I have been back 3 more times and stay with her at her apartment away from bocagrande and laguito. I have met about 8-10 of her girlfriends and EVERY ONE has a story about their first boyfriend who was much older than they are. Most of the girls started dating colombianos when they were 15-16 years and their b/FS were on average 35 years. Fast forward to now and those girls are 25years and again EVERY ONE of them has a b/f at least 10 years older.

Sure there are always exceptions to every rule and there are certaintly going to be some colombianas that prefer men there own age but I just haven't seen it

Soldierb11
05-25-10, 16:35
Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.U do make a good point about golddiggers though.

The little gang of chicas I know could all be golddiggers and looking for a way up in life. But they are horrible golddiggers because not one of them has a wealthy or extravagant boyfriend. Especially my girlfriend she found in me one of the cheaper bastards around.

Hioctane
05-25-10, 19:18
Okay, got to apologize then. Not for posting under different names, because believe it or not, I am not. But for coming at you. Checked my history and you are right. I've got that guys posts in my posting history as posted under the name I just changed to (simply because gringo makes everyone think I am American.)Dude. You've been busted. Just give up. It's not that you posted under a different name. You CHANGED names.

I guess you didn't read the FAQ:

Changes in your User Name will be reflected in all your past reports. In other words, all your existing reports and your future reports will display your new User Name.

Ricker
05-25-10, 21:30
Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.Parque Lleras is for the rich and famous amigo.

It sure doesn't represent the majority in Colombia, not by a long shot.

My observations on this subject below:

Take care


I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.

I don't really notice a difference really between Colombia and Brazil in that respect.

Just like in Colombia, as you see in areas like Parque Lleras, where the more affluent hang out, the girls will generally be with guys their own age.

I've observed the same in Brazil.

At the social-economic levels where the younger native guys tend to be more jerk-offs, the girls tend to appreciate the older guy. In both Colombia and Brazil as well as countries in between ...



... Good luck amigos.

Ziggy00
05-25-10, 21:44
I was only active on the Cuba forum and that forum got infested with lies. May I ask you what do you mean by that? I'm interested cause I'm planning visiting Cuba for the firs time.

Regards,

El Rey De Pollo
05-26-10, 00:22
Dude, I changed my name from Traveling Gring to El Rey de Pollo. This has/had nothing to do with the situation. Or at least shouldn't have. One can get tired of is name and change it. But what I ended up with was a posting history with the combined posts of three names: Traveling Gring, El Rey de Pollo and Mesocorny.

Busted? I don't know. Sure looks like it. All I can say is I am not this guy. I have asked Jackson to check out how it happened. If he comes back and says there is no error, and I must be Mesocorny and posting under several names, well, then there really isn't anything I can say. Then I won't stick around trying to defend my case. That would be a waste of time.

But I hope Jackson can clear things up. If there are two things in this world I have never wanted to be it is a scizofrenic. and a Swede.


Dude. You've been busted. Just give up. It's not that you posted under a different name. You CHANGED names.

I guess you didn't read the FAQ:

Changes in your User Name will be reflected in all your past reports. In other words, all your existing reports and your future reports will display your new User Name.

Bango Cheito
05-26-10, 04:11
U do make a good point about golddiggers though.

The little gang of chicas I know could all be golddiggers and looking for a way up in life. But they are horrible golddiggers because not one of them has a wealthy or extravagant boyfriend. Especially my girlfriend she found in me one of the cheaper bastards around.From what I've seen, Colombians are just more tolerant of age differences, PERIOD. It could also be a 20 year old dude going out with a 40 year old cuchibarbie. People just don't get hung up about that shit here.

Cubanut
05-26-10, 05:46
Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed.Pana NYC,

You basically have stated the obvious. The older Colombians are NOT dating their younger counterparts in public. Why should they? And what makes anyone think that Parque Lleras is the Meca of Dinner Dating? Medellin is filled with kick ass places to eat that are much more comfortable and discreet.

As a side note, aside from the people watching on a Friday or Saturday night, Parque Lleras is one of the LEAST places I would go to eat. There are much better options such as Palmias, Donde Bupo's, the original Lomo's and even a few other spots that you will rarely find gringos going to so I won't mention them out here (per a request from a friend who loves that fact).

Parque Lleras is frickin NOISY! The competing restaurants music, the cars, the anoying beggars and sales people, etc. Like I said, sure it's nice to see the pussy parade at Parque Lleras, but if you ALREADY have a HOTTIE, no reason to go there for dinner in the public eye.

Cheers,

Cubanut

Phunluv
05-26-10, 16:45
LLeras can be fun with a couple of my colombian local friends and a stable of non-pros. :) But there are certainly better options for one-on-one dates.

As for this whole mesocorny/rey-de-pollo controversy, I read some of rey's reports and I may have to partly retract what I said about non-pros in Cuba. Last time I was there was '04-'05 so it's possible hanging out with non-pros has become more difficult in recent times. That's too bad because the non-pro cubana is quite a treat! But if that's the case, it adds more doubt into mesocorny's recent comments about his ease in scoring non-pros in countries like Cuba (which he specifically mentioned) and his whole spiel/argument.

Whatever the deal is with all these different aliases and their conflicting reports I couldn't care less, but I think ISG readers should have up to date info on whatever they're looking for so I'm adding this partial correction to my previous post.

Hioctane
05-26-10, 18:19
Pana NYC,

You basically have stated the obvious. The older Colombians are NOT dating their younger counterparts in public. Why should they? And what makes anyone think that Parque Lleras is the Meca of Dinner Dating? Medellin is filled with kick ass places to eat that are much more comfortable and discreet.

As a side note, aside from the people watching on a Friday or Saturday night, Parque Lleras is one of the LEAST places I would go to eat. There are much better options such as Palmias, Donde Bupo's, the original Lomo's and even a few other spots that you will rarely find gringos going to so I won't mention them out here (per a request from a friend who loves that fact).

Parque Lleras is frickin NOISY! The competing restaurants music, the cars, the anoying beggars and sales people, etc. Like I said, sure it's nice to see the pussy parade at Parque Lleras, but if you ALREADY have a HOTTIE, no reason to go there for dinner in the public eye.

Cheers,

CubanutExactly right Cuba. Colombians are more discreet about these things. Fernando, the driver at the Mansion, told me this. All Colombian men have 4 women in their lives. The wife, the novia, the puta, and the mistress. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure he mentioned it lots. LOL

Goga Fung
05-26-10, 18:35
Dude, I changed my name from Traveling Gring to El Rey de Pollo. This has/had nothing to do with the situation. Or at least shouldn't have. One can get tired of is name and change it. But what I ended up with was a posting history with the combined posts of three names: Traveling Gring, El Rey de Pollo and Mesocorny.

Busted? I don't know. Sure looks like it. All I can say is I am not this guy. I have asked Jackson to check out how it happened. If he comes back and says there is no error, and I must be Mesocorny and posting under several names, well, then there really isn't anything I can say. Then I won't stick around trying to defend my case. That would be a waste of time.

But I hope Jackson can clear things up. If there are two things in this world I have never wanted to be it is a scizofrenic. and a Swede.I don't really give a crap, just wondering why would you write in one post you were 24 y.o. and in another 35 y.o. :) It is a not a "dating" site, why not stay the same all the time.

Justafool
05-26-10, 23:41
Take the metro and observe the age differences. Hop on one of the Cables getting off at one of the stops and you will notice the age difference. Younger girls do tend to gravitate towards older me. I think this is something that is ingrained in them since it has been happening for years.

I have also see this happen in other countries including Brazil and Panama. Older men tend to be more stable and family oriented. It is a way out of daddies house into her own.

When I am in Colombia I spend a lot of time in Parque Bello and in Niquia, try mingling with those who are not digging and you will see women who want to start families and even date older men.


Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.

Bango Cheito
05-27-10, 16:45
You have to remember though. Medellin is not the whole country. Mentalities vary greatly from valley to valley.

Goga Fung
05-28-10, 23:12
And how the farc do you want me to answer when I'm not 24 nor Swedish nor posting under more than one name.I guess then somebody must have hacked your account and making posts such as these:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=998849&postcount=2021

Strangeman
05-30-10, 01:25
Hola fellow mongers. New guy here. I have RTFF for some time now, but will soon be in a position to contribute as well. This fall I intend to spend a month or more south of the US, most likely in a Spanish immersion class whilst partaking of the local culture (heh). What I am looking for is a place where the cost of living is low(ish), the monger scene is prolific and the amateur scene is fair to good and good diving water is not too far away. Just a couple quick questions for those who know.

- The only Spanish immersion class that may be available is in Cartagena. If that is the case, would you recommend somewhere else (CR, Panama) over Cartagena for mongering?

- From what I understand, the cost of living in Columbia is comparable to Costa Rica, the monger scene is fairly average but cheap and the amateur scene is there but hard to score in. Is this about right?

- Is there good diving around Cartegena? If I did manage to find a class inland (Medellin, Cali) are there enough things to do and explore if I were there for a month? After all, man cannot surviving by mongering alone.

Goga Fung
05-30-10, 03:30
Good work, Sherlock. If you would care to study before you took office as prosecutor you may have seen that we have already established that I have all the guys posts under my name. Feel free to link to every single one if that makes you happy.As you see I never had any intention to insult you. If other people post under your name (this is what I actually thought in contrast to others) , it is better for them to say so. That's it. Sorry for the offtop.

Ricker
05-30-10, 11:32
Good work, Sherlock. If you would care to study before you took office as prosecutor you may have seen that we have already established that I have all the guys posts under my name. Feel free to link to every single one if that makes you happy ...

I think what we may need here is 'my Cousin Vinny' to straighten this whole 'el Rey de Pollo' mystery out.

Really though, does it really matter anymore?
We all get it.

The investigation can stop :)

Bango Cheito
05-30-10, 21:26
Hola fellow mongers. New guy here. I have RTFF for some time now, but will soon be in a position to contribute as well. This fall I intend to spend a month or more south of the US, most likely in a Spanish immersion class whilst partaking of the local culture (heh). What I am looking for is a place where the cost of living is low(ish), the monger scene is prolific and the amateur scene is fair to good and good diving water is not too far away. Just a couple quick questions for those who know.

- The only Spanish immersion class that may be available is in Cartagena. If that is the case, would you recommend somewhere else (CR, Panama) over Cartagena for mongering?

- From what I understand, the cost of living in Columbia is comparable to Costa Rica, the monger scene is fairly average but cheap and the amateur scene is there but hard to score in. Is this about right?

- Is there good diving around Cartegena? If I did manage to find a class inland (Medellin, Cali) are there enough things to do and explore if I were there for a month? After all, man cannot surviving by mongering alone.Cartagena is the most expensive city in Colombia but still nothing compared to Panama or CR.

There is EXCELLENT diving around Cartagena, by Islas de Rosario and Baru etc.

I personally do alright in Bogota, do very well in most other places here I have been, and can't get arrested by non pros in Cartagena. YMMV.

AddictedToWomen
05-30-10, 22:31
The investigation can stop :)Please.

Or take it to www.whogivesafuck.com

El Rey De Pollo
05-31-10, 01:14
I think what we may need here is 'my Cousin Vinny' to straighten this whole 'el Rey de Pollo' mystery out.

Really though, does it really matter anymore?

We all get it.

The investigation can stop :)I have no intention of keeping this up. If smart asses would keave it alone. We already established beyond doubt that in my history I have all the posts of traveling Gring (my previous handle) and El Rey de Pollo (my current) plus the posts of Mesocorny. I sent an e-mail about a week ago to the forum admins explaining and asking for clarification, but have heard nothing, so unless I hear something I guess I am officially also mesocorny and thus officially posting under false names, in which case I am out of here.

Lusifer69
05-31-10, 18:52
Does anyone knows any good apartment for rent in Medellin?

Jericho7
06-02-10, 01:25
Does anyone know if Colombia if/when they'll upgrade to the new credit card technology? Has anybody run into this yet? The article says Brazil and Mexico are upgrading, and considering the credit card theft/scam problems in Colombia (and other countries), it would seem logical for Colombia to follow. Sounds like USA will lag behind.


Americans abroad run into trouble using credit cards

By Roger Yu, USA TODAY

Americans are increasingly facing difficulty using their credit cards abroad.

Chief culprit? Different technology standards.

U.S.-issued cards still have magnetic strips. More cards abroad are issued with encrypted microprocessor chips, and shops and businesses have adjusted the payment process to the varying standard, says Jack Jania of Gemalto, which develops chip cards.

The chip cards — called chip-and-PIN cards because users must enter their personal identification number — are "being deployed everywhere else," he says.

According to trade group Smart Card Alliance, 22 countries are migrating to the chip-and-PIN standard, including many in Western Europe, China, India, Japan, Mexico, Canada and Brazil. They're embracing the new technology because it's more secure than using magnetic strips, Jania says.

In a 2009 survey, consulting firm Aite Group concluded that the majority of U.S. credit and debit card holders had experienced some difficulty using their cards abroad.

Tom Griffin, a book editor at Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door, a website and publisher of travel books, says the issue is frequently discussed in his company's online forum. "It's getting worse."

Griffin experienced the difficulty when he visited his daughter, Emily, who lives in France. When he stopped at an automated gas station on a Sunday — many gas stations are closed on Sunday in France — he found the pump wouldn't accept his credit card. "Fortunately, my daughter's credit card worked," he says. "And I gave her the cash."

The problem is particularly acute at automated kiosks in Europe, such as the vending machines at regional rail stations and bicycle rental racks in Paris, parking meters in parts of London, toll roads and gas stations, all of which accept only chip-and-PIN cards. And the problem could get worse. More unattended pay stations are appearing in Europe.

Visa says most payment terminals in countries that have adopted chip-payment technology can still process U.S. cards. Visa advises American travelers to present their cards to attendants "in the rare instance that a card holder encounters a problem" at self-service machines.

Jania agrees but says European sales clerks are more accustomed to chip-and-PIN cards and often don't know how to process other types. "You have to argue with them to use the card," he says.

It's difficult for U.S. financial institutions to switch to the chip-and-PIN standard because they've invested heavily in the old technology. It'd cost the industry about $8.6 billion to convert, says consulting firm Javelin Strategy & Research.

Wal-Mart, however, is acknowledging more foreign visitors to the U.S. and the chip's international appeal. The retail giant is changing its payment system to begin accepting chip-and-PIN cards.

What should Americans do abroad? "Watch out and use cash," Griffin says.

Cannon 44
06-03-10, 05:29
I think before you said you were going to be in BAQ for just a few days. Forget an apartment and just go to the Hotel Continatal. It is located in a very safe section near the university. Chica friendly and around $50 a night. I rate it a four star hotel.

As far as you wanting young pretty Flaca's then bring your wallet and go to Luistania. A short taxi ride from the hotel. 10,000 peso cover charge and last time I was there it was 180 K for a real stunner. Now that I think about it there is no place that I have been that has any better looking girls. A few months ago on Wed. nights they have all the girls wearing bras and pantys with the garter belts and hose. Your eyes will bug out. As always collect some numbers. They will be happy to beat the house out of thier cut.When I go to BAQ i stay at a house for $24 per night. It's a colombian version of a bed and breakfeast. There are about 4 rooms that can be rented (1 story), great security, kitchen is shared by all tennants and staffed with a maid to cook groceries you supply. I've stayed at the El Prado and the Barranquilla Plaza and this house is hands down the way to go. The owner is an ex Colombian Navy officer and he has like establishments in other cities. it is on calle or cra 77 I get the two confused. I will be staying there this month and if you would like the info just let me know.

Viajero
06-05-10, 13:24
Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.

Goga Fung
06-06-10, 01:57
Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.I think you can already consider yourself "wealthy" if you'd like. Especially if you compare to the "wealthy" making 100-200K or more but still getting shit for their money in USA. I believe it's not about the actual amount of money but what you get in the end.

John Gault
06-06-10, 02:41
Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.First off I give you credit for beiing able to monger at all on your income. It is wise that you save money to monger as most of the money that you would spend in your country would not give you the pleasure you would get on a mongering trip.
Yes it gets expensive for even a budget monger. I try to keep costs down by staying in budget hotels or apts. I also wait for discount airline tickets. I don't take the high end girls but instead hunt for a gem in a more less costly setting. In MDE I rarely take a taxi. I use the Metro and I love to walk so that is a savings. When I find a good one I cut out the middle man ( stripclub or casa boss} and get them to my digs for better action and a more happy girl as she now does not have to share her fee with the house man. Also the drinks in my place are way less costly then in a bar or casa.

Good luck and keep pluging.

Lazy One 1
06-06-10, 14:56
Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.More than wealth, how do some people have the *time* to make trips to Colombia like every month?

For me money is less of an issue (to answer your question I make 5,000 a month after taxes...definitely no tycoon) but time. I get 15 days of paid vacation a year, a standard company policy. What do people do for a living that lets them travel so often?

BayBoy
06-06-10, 15:12
Thats a good question. Do you have to be wealthy to travel? I'm retired and make a little under $3000 a month.

To me it starts with the flight. Im big into frequent flyer miles on American Airlines. The miles add up fast, and I can usually get a free flight within a short time. Plus I check the flight costs from San Francisco and wait to when the flights are at their cheapest during the year.

I always stay at budget hotels, usually 3 *** or 2 stars**. In Medellin its the Nutibara or the Plazuela Nutibara. I dont need a luxury room with all amenities, I can get by in a smaller room with a fan. Plus I bring my own soap and face cloth.

I try to eat at Colombian restaurants or the local places to eat. They can be amazingly cheap and I get huge helpings of food. Many times more than I can eat. Sometimes I just eat half the meal and save the rest for later in the day.

And as far as the mongering goes, Im into street walkers and casas. They're a lot cheaper than escorts, prepagos, and the nite club scene which I cant afford. Some of these streetwalkers will go for as little as $5 a session.

I can afford 2 to 3 trips to Central and So. America per year. And Ive gone to quite a few countries in those regions on my budget.

Furysys
06-08-10, 03:05
Went with the novia thru Antioquia and (I think) Caldas and have a few observations. First, and this goes somewhat to the recent discussion here about costs of mongering, the costs dramatically decrease outside of Medellin. 1 hr on internet in Santa Rosa was 25 cents, parking (we rented a car) was 50 cents for 2 hrs, and they give you enough food for an army for 5 bucks. Also Club Colombias was about 1/2 what they are in Medellin. So, while I did not have a chance to partake in any local action around Periera or Manizales (novia has a tight leash), one can presume that the cost of puta is also lower. Found a very nice hotel in Manizales for 1/2 what you would pay in Medellin.

Visited the Termales Santa Rosa, and if one has time, certainly worth the trip. Go with a chica, I think it would be difficult to find somebody there, we paid 25 bucks a night for a very nice place only about 5 min drive from the termales. REALLY good makeout place, right there in the hot pool, love it.

I think anybody with a little time, some Spanish, and wants to get outside MDE will have no problems with mongering, at a fraction of MDE, which is not too expensive anyway.

Sehns
06-08-10, 05:03
Hey guys,

I am a late 20s Aussie bloke who is visiting Colombia on the 11th of June for a month. Thats only 4 days away, and i'm very excited about it.

I'm really looking for some cool local guys down there who can help me avoid being ripped off and show me around, in exchange i'll be happy to buy you some food and drinks and share some great stories with you!

I'm still deciding between Cartagena and Medellin and have already emailed a few of the apartment rental places listed on here for availabilities. My previous experiences in south america dictate to me that the best deals are usually found on the ground rather than over the internet, so a part of me is thinking of spending a few days staying in a cheap hotel and doing some research for an apartment for 3 weeks once I fly in.

I just upgraded to a paid membership so feel free to IM me or give me some advice by replying in this thread.

I've RTFF but theres a lot of conflicting reports, i think the best thing to do is figure it out for myself when I get there with some expert guidance.

Cheers

Hilltopper
06-08-10, 11:51
Hey guys,

I am a late 20s Aussie bloke who is visiting Colombia on the 11th of June for a month. Thats only 4 days away, and i'm very excited about it.

I'm really looking for some cool local guys down there who can help me avoid being ripped off and show me around, in exchange i'll be happy to buy you some food and drinks and share some great stories with you!

I'm still deciding between Cartagena and Medellin and have already emailed a few of the apartment rental places listed on here for availabilities. My previous experiences in south america dictate to me that the best deals are usually found on the ground rather than over the internet, so a part of me is thinking of spending a few days staying in a cheap hotel and doing some research for an apartment for 3 weeks once I fly in.

I just upgraded to a paid membership so feel free to IM me or give me some advice by replying in this thread.

I've RTFF but theres a lot of conflicting reports, i think the best thing to do is figure it out for myself when I get there with some expert guidance.

CheersCrap, I just tried to send you a 7 paragraph PM, only to get the following response: "Sehns has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."

I should have paid more attention to your saying "just upgraded" and sent a short PM to test whether Jackson has had a chance to activate your PM feature. Live and learn, I'll know better next time, lol. Shoot me a PM once your paid membership is activated. I arrive CTG a day before you and have the 11th open as a "freelance" day. I'd be happy to share any info, etc., about CTG.

Later

Hioctane
06-08-10, 14:51
I think anybody with a little time, some Spanish, and wants to get outside MDE will have no problems with mongering, at a fraction of MDE, which is not too expensive anyway.The issue is not money.. It's always cheaper outside of a big city. It's the safety and time factor. You're going someplace that no one has gone before. You don't know how safe it is and you might be wasting time when on vacation. However, if you're retired, living there and adventurous, it might be worth it to explore.

Bango Cheito
06-18-10, 00:46
I'm replying to a topic being discussed in the Medellin thread right now.

If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

Don't pay more than 50k to have sex with a girl in Colombia unless the girl is AMAZING, unless it's outcall, unless it's LT, or there's a massage included or other special circumstances. Standard prices in Bogota are 30-50k and that's in Bogota.

A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!

I stopped contributing a long time ago to this section precisely because of stupid shit like this. Pearls before swine.

Dick Driven
06-18-10, 14:00
I'm replying to a topic being discussed in the Medellin thread right now.

If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

Don't pay more than 50k to have sex with a girl in Colombia unless the girl is AMAZING, unless it's outcall, unless it's LT, or there's a massage included or other special circumstances. Standard prices in Bogota are 30-50k and that's in Bogota.

A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!

I stopped contributing a long time ago to this section precisely because of stupid shit like this. Pearls before swine.It may be a good idea for the locals to help the new non locals out a little.

When they arrive in Colombia as a newbie.

This could help the newly arrived form make the mistake of over tipping and fucking up a good thing?

Sehns
06-18-10, 22:13
It may be a good idea for the locals to help the new non locals out a little.

When they arrive in Colombia as a newbie.

This could help the newly arrived form make the mistake of over tipping and fucking up a good thing?Couldn't agree more.. Theres very little support on the forums and from regulars, you really need to do your research when you got here. I've had a bit of trouble so far finding a mongering wing to show me the ropes.

Lots of hate and bitchiness though

Sehns

Bango Cheito
06-18-10, 22:34
I AM helping by posting what I did.

I know another poster with whom I had a big falling out, but he also is a senior member here, and STOPPED posting, ESPECIALLY in the Colombia section.

You can't even post so much as a restaurant suggestion on here because stupid people on this board will go and start tipping big time and next thing you know prices have DOUBLED.

I'm cheap as hell and PROUD of it. I don't want to have to work my ass off my whole life and ruin my health just to have a few dollars in my pocket. I found a country where I can do this. I do NOT want to promote what I'm running away from.

Not to mention, people who come here throwing money around like that, it's like carrying a big sign saying ROB THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And you won't have a SINGLE local looking out for you to warn you about because they DETEST that kind of behavior down here. NOTHING is considered more crass and boorish and overpaying for shit in Colombia. You've been warned... all of you!

Dick Driven
06-19-10, 16:20
I AM helping by posting what I did.

I know another poster with whom I had a big falling out, but he also is a senior member here, and STOPPED posting, ESPECIALLY in the Colombia section.

You can't even post so much as a restaurant suggestion on here because stupid people on this board will go and start tipping big time and next thing you know prices have DOUBLED.

I'm cheap as hell and PROUD of it. I don't want to have to work my ass off my whole life and ruin my health just to have a few dollars in my pocket. I found a country where I can do this. I do NOT want to promote what I'm running away from.

Not to mention, people who come here throwing money around like that, it's like carrying a big sign saying ROB THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And you won't have a SINGLE local looking out for you to warn you about because they DETEST that kind of behavior down here. NOTHING is considered more crass and boorish and overpaying for shit in Colombia. You've been warned... all of you!I feel your pain , and I thank you for the advice. I guess the only thing you can do is keep on post this information over and over again.

I am very aware the the tip is included in the bill and I never tip a taxi driver,
but I may have slipped my favorite girl a little something extra now and then.
Tipping was not a Canadian innovation,It is something that is more wide spread in The USA.

So thanks again , and do keep posting this information.

El Minetero
06-19-10, 19:35
I don't think you will be able to complete Bogota in one day, unless you're lucky. If you don't live there, come in the day before, spend the night, be at the American Consulate when they open, 8am, I think. Present them with your documents of income, and they will give you a letter stating the amount you receive, for free. Go from there to the Supercade, Cra 30 with Calle 26. Their phone number is supposedly (Bogota) 5874000, their website http://www.Cancilleria.gov.co/wps/portal/espanol. Taxistas don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, they'll say, this is the area? It's a tall tower, 12-15 stories, the only one in the vicinity. You don't want the tower, you want the low building to the left. If you have less than 5 documents the website says you don't need an appointment. Go up the steps, if there are girls in yellow vests, get one of them to take you where you get documento legalizar. If not, get in the line on the right to get a number. When you get to the desk, tell them legalizar documento and you don't have a cita, they won't give you a number, just tell you to go over by the right wall. You get to one of the desks in the row by the wall, tell them you're from out of town, have less than 5 documents. There's a really nice looking woman at the next to the last desk, I'm definitely taking some pastries next time. They'll print out a pay form for 15K pesos per document, which you take out just short of the entrance, on the right, there's a bank office, green and white, you pay and get a receipt. You take this back to the person at the desk, they'll tell you, if you're lucky, to come back shortly, or if not, after 2pm. Keep the receipt they give you, you'll need it to reclaim your document(s). When you get your document, if it's before 10, or if not at 7:20 the next day, go to the Ministery de Relaciones Exteriores at Cra 13 #93-68, Parque 93, second floor. I got there about 6:50am, I was number 29. Get there around 6:30am better. You will need: Your statement of income, your passport, 1 copy of the photo page of your passport, one copy of your previous visa, three passport size photos with a WHITE background, one copy of the Solicitude de Visa, Codigo SC-FO-15, Version 2, which you can download, which should already be filled out, with one photo pasted in the box and the other two paper clipped to your documents. You will be given a number at the door, which, if you're near the front of the line, will be called soon. Give your completed paperwork to the clerk, sit, stay. You will be called to receive your passport and visa in one to two hours. Thank you, and done. Ask the guard at the door for two copies of the Solicitude de Visa for next year. They close for the day at 12 noon.

Go to Das to renew your Cedula. You will need your passport, 2 copies of your photo page, visa and cedula, three passport size photos with a BLUE background, a receipt from a specified bank, in Pereira Banco de Bogota Ubicado en la cra 7 #20-28 Plaza de Bolivar, which is actually a little past the plaza rather than facing it, for 140, 000 pesos, deposited to Cuenta #468671300 in the name of Fondo Rotatorio DAS. They have easy to read examples at the form filling desks, but you have to get a form from the guard. Take all these things to, in Pereira, the DAS offices at Ave 30 de Agosto, see Dona Maria Reina in the rear, fill out a form she'll give you, come back in 21 days will some small treat for Maria Reigna (not required) and you're in.

I stayed at the Hotel Las Terrazas, Calle 54A, #3-12, Tel: 255-5777, email: hotellasterrazasatyahoo.com, had a nice room with windows and a queen sized bed, cable TV with English channels, including a breakfast of eggs, toast, coffee or chocolate, juice, for 95K pesos a night. Dona Adela has been there since I first came to Colombia 34 Years ago.

There's a French restaurant just down the street around the corner to the left, good soup and escargot, the chicken was tough.

Down the hill at Calle 54 and Ave 7a, is Pan Fino, been there for 41 years. I bought 8 loaves of dark whole wheat bread to bring back to Pereira, gave away 6 loaves, big hit. If anyone knows of a good German bread bakery in Bogota, please let me know.

Not far away, below Ave 7a is Calle 53, starting about Cra 15, is a section Artisional, all kinds of crafts and neat things. There are at least three small fabric shops in the area where I bought unique looking fabric to have put on stretcher bars, maybe framed, and hang on the wall as art. La Gran Pyramide, Calle 53 #16-73 Local 104, Tel 2354183, on the South side of the street, small entrance going back to an inside store, really nice energetic lady, has all kinds of boxes, trunks, chests, other things, unpainted, but really inexpensive. I got: a mid-sized chest with a curved top, an itty bitty box with a curved top, and two regular sized boxes, all made of pine, painted with transparent lacquer, for 70, 000 pesos.

At La Esquina del Arte, Cra 16 #52-68, Tel 8111049, just down from the South West corner of the intersection of 53 &16, next to the Galleria Acapulco, Vladamir does incredibly good carving, deep, rounded, detailed, the kind I've been looking for, in pine and cedar. He does frames, trunks, beds, custom work. I really wish I hadn't found this place, they're going to get a LOT of my money.

Calle 53 had a 3-4 block stretch of shops with all kinds of neat decorative things, statues, silk flowers. I know this is not the general interest of members, that being PUSSY, but it was a nice area to look through.

El Minetero

Ricker
06-20-10, 01:23
. If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

. A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

. DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

. Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!
Not to mention, people who come here throwing money around like that, it's like carrying a big sign saying ROB THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And you won't have a SINGLE local looking out for you to warn you about because they DETEST that kind of behavior down here. NOTHING is considered more crass and boorish and overpaying for shit in Colombia. You've been warned. All of you!Hey I agree that throwing money around like a fool is stupid and could be dangerous, obviously if the wrong people have any eye on you.

I totally DISAGREE with you on trying to negotiate a chica down to a ridiulous 5k pesos. If that's your style, have at it, it's not for me.

I've been at this game for quite a while, I know what the going rates are, I do not over pay and I'm far from stupid.

I say pay the going rate, don't overpay like an idiot and drive up prices, but I will not be a weenie and negotiate, negotiate, negotiate to the lowest rock bottom price I could possibly get and squeeze every last pesos from the chica.

I'm sure all that rock-bottom negotiating lends to great service and a GFE.

To tell me not to tip someone for a job well done is trully what's ridiculous.

When did you make the rules for everyone?

How do you know that all Colombians detest that.

My MANY Colombian friends don't detest that.

If I want to tip MY maid because she worked her buns off the whole week and took great care of me, then I'll do it.

An extra 20-30lk pesos for her ain't much but it'll keep her smiling and doing a great job.

I you want to vomit and tell every WG that I have a disease (funny), go for it.

A better post would be to advise guys of the going rates and advise against overpaying and explain why in a reasonable manner.

Your post full of threats and warnings is a bit over the top.

Bango Cheito
06-20-10, 13:48
I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.

I put the truth out there, you can take it or leave it, like I said it's your money and your funeral.

If you pay a maid 50k for a day's work you are overpaying.

I don't pay 5k to get laid, these days I generally don't pay shit as I hooked up with a new gf and things are going excellently with her, but the going rate in most places in Bogota is 30-50k. In the mezzanine you get an hour massage with sex for 70k. Anything more is overpaying.

And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.

Ricker
06-20-10, 22:22
I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.

. And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.I've only been visiting Colombia for about 15 years now and lived there for a couple.

Like I said before, I'm not stupid and I don't tip like a chump, and I'm ALWAYS careful.

What do 'they' say behind my back?

That I'm such an idiota cause I tip a couple pesos, I doubt it.

I DON'T tip out of control, and you're CORRECT, you shouldn't, but a LITTLE kindess is not being stupid or breaking anybody's back, and it's not going to get me robbed, it's just being kind.

I'm far from beong a money flasher.

I hear them talk behind your back too BTW. Being muy tacano isn't exactly celebrated either.

Bottom line is, IMO you make some good and valid points but I personally don't agree with your harshness.

Good luck.

Member #3435
06-21-10, 02:14
I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.

I put the truth out there, you can take it or leave it, like I said it's your money and your funeral.

If you pay a maid 50k for a day's work you are overpaying.

I don't pay 5k to get laid, these days I generally don't pay shit as I hooked up with a new gf and things are going excellently with her, but the going rate in most places in Bogota is 30-50k. In the mezzanine you get an hour massage with sex for 70k. Anything more is overpaying.

And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.It's your money and your funeral?

Damn dude. You ARE a piece of work.

And to say that tipping is not appreciated in Colombia is just plain.

Idiotic, ridiculous, stupid.

Bango Cheito
06-21-10, 13:33
I don't know how much you're tipping and when. It's your own judgement. But somebody on here is paying their maid DOUBLE the going rate. That screams "chump" to me. Then he's probably going to log on Colombianblog or another forum and complain about how his silverware keeps going missing.

The time when you absolutely NEVER want to tip is dealing with taxi drivers. They are among the people in Colombia who do the BEST financially. And also there are lots of thieves among them, many of them will repay your tip by calling their thug friends and having them stake you out for a paseo. Same thing with handing some 40k girl two 50k notes and telling her to keep the change.


I've only been visiting Colombia for about 15 years now and lived there for a couple.

Like I said before, I'm not stupid and I don't tip like a chump, and I'm ALWAYS careful.

What do 'they' say behind my back?

That I'm such an idiota cause I tip a couple pesos, I doubt it.

I DON'T tip out of control, and you're CORRECT, you shouldn't, but a LITTLE kindess is not being stupid or breaking anybody's back, and it's not going to get me robbed, it's just being kind.

I'm far from beong a money flasher.

I hear them talk behind your back too BTW. Being muy tacano isn't exactly celebrated either.

Bottom line is, IMO you make some good and valid points but I personally don't agree with your harshness.

Good luck.

Menteng
06-21-10, 16:41
I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.I live in Medellin and would like to move to the city where you live. Looks great to me when they talk behind your back for being a bigspender. Here they talk behind your back when you are a tacano.


If you pay a maid 50k for a day's work you are overpaying.Agree, the going rate in Medellin is 25k to 30k and they expect you provide lunch.


I don't pay 5k to get laid, these days I generally don't pay shit as I hooked up with a new gf and things are going excellently with her,I think a meal or a drink with her will cost more than 10K, not to mention the small gifts. So at the end you will spend more than with a WG. Or do you also cut back on those when with your GF?


And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.Bad luck for me for living in Medellin because here they do appreciate tipping.

Hioctane
06-21-10, 18:43
It's your money and your funeral?

Damn dude. You ARE a piece of work.

And to say that tipping is not appreciated in Colombia is just plain.

Idiotic, ridiculous, stupid.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

Tipping is a western custom.. Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans? They try to impose their will upon others. When you go to another country, learn the language and customs... it will be appreciated more.

Furysys
06-21-10, 20:48
Well, each to his own, I guess, but to say Colombianas do not appreciate being tipped is news to me. I've talked enough to the chicas at Hooter's Medellin, and the Juan Valdez's, and there seems to be nothing they appreciate more than being tipped, given that they make about $300 per month, if they provide nice service and are friendly, why not?

I don't flash money, and don't think I overtip, but if so, so what? I am only one person, and I do not see how in a city of over 3 million like Medellin, my actions would make any real difference. It's how I made it thru university, I am returning the favour, in my small way.

Member #3435
06-21-10, 23:37
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

Tipping is a western custom.. Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans? They try to impose their will upon others. When you go to another country, learn the language and customs... it will be appreciated more.Latin America is not considered Western? Wow! Thanks amigo. It's amazing how many professors there are adding to the forum.

Funny, I wonder why gratuity is commonly but not always included on the bill in restaurants throughout the region so it's always a good idea to check before settling up.

Did you ever stay in a hotel and not tip a bellhop? I know how far THAT will get you.

And that myth about Americans being "hated" so much overseas is way overblown. Sure it's the mindset of many to one extent or another but my experience in Europe and LA is that Americans are welcomed more than "hated".

I wouldn't have gone back hundreds of times in my adult life if it were true.

Keep that Wiki page dogeared for us. I need the education.

Thanks,

Schwmm

Golfinho
06-22-10, 00:06
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

Tipping is a western custom.. Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans? They try to impose their will upon others. When you go to another country, learn the language and customs... it will be appreciated more.Impossible to get through a day in Colombia without hearing the word propina or seeing a hand palm up. What you do is up to you. These guys who are bottom dwelling at the lowest end of the market ought to be prepared for any kind of cheap get-over, after all it may be another country, but they're dealing with their own kind at their level.

AddictedToWomen
06-22-10, 00:19
10% is added to almost all bar/restaurant bills for about 10 years now, so I don't tip there any more.

Other places I may or may not depending on my mood.

Bango Cheito
06-22-10, 02:00
I live in Medellin and would like to move to the city where you live. Looks great to me when they talk behind your back for being a bigspender. Here they talk behind your back when you are a tacano.

Agree, the going rate in Medellin is 25k to 30k and they expect you provide lunch.

I think a meal or a drink with her will cost more than 10K, not to mention the small gifts. So at the end you will spend more than with a WG. Or do you also cut back on those when with your GF?

Bad luck for me for living in Medellin because here they do appreciate tipping.I don't think your average paisa leaves a tip for his or her corrientazo.

And when I go out with my GF we BOTH put money in. She would be severely insulted if I tried to pay for everything. Only interesadas and prepagos do that in the circles I move in.

Actually come to think of it, two good corrientazos with drinks included DOES come to 8-10k. In the REAL Colombia where people make and spend pesos.

LocoGringo
06-22-10, 02:51
Too fuckin funny, it is custom to not tip in Colombia?

No , some of the people are cheap and then it became a custom. People TIP in Colombia, at least in my business they did, at least some did.

Dick Driven
06-22-10, 04:43
Ok, What would the senior members of this form, who have years of experience in Colombia suggest as a correct amount for a tip, say for a half hour at 30,000. For a casa girl?

Phunluv
06-22-10, 06:47
You have to take what Bango says in stride. He's an expat who lives and works in Bogota "living the dream" getting paid in colombian pesos. :)

For a tourist who's just there a week or two, you obviously want to know what the going prices are so you don't throw your money left and right. But being "tacaño" (cheapskate) can backfire on you as well. For taxi rides, I usually just round up to the next 1k or 2k at most if it was a long ride or late at night; it's usually not worth the trouble demanding back exact change. Why [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the driver over $1.25? I guess it depends on the situation, time of day or night, and length of the ride; go with your gut feelings on this.

High end restaurants at Lleras and other upscale neighborhoods, a 10% tip is fine if the service was good (can't remember now but I think the tip is mandatory anyway in some of the higher end places). The cheaper everday joints, don't leave more than 1k cop maybe 2k if it was a big or complicated order. Even just your change with the coins can be enough in many situations. Who wants all that small change jangling in your pockets anyway? Small tips from a visiting gringo are appreciated, and you'll usually get good treatment from the same people should you visit again.

Of course, if you don't plan on any repeat visits for a certain venue, then you can easily get away with not tipping at all.

I don't live in Colombia but from what I've read, I wouldn't pay more than 5K over the "going rate" for the housekeeping. Not because the old afro-colombian lady who's doing the work is going to get lazy, or steal your silverware, or rat on you to the bad guys, LOL, but rather you don't want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off your petty, jealous neighbors if they find out how generous you are. ;) A nice bonus around Christmas and one other major holiday would be a smarter move and greatly appreciated by those ladies (who sometimes have to support 3 generations!).

John Gault
06-22-10, 12:31
Ok, What would the senior members of this form, who have years of experience in Colombia suggest as a correct amount for a tip, say for a half hour at 30, 000. For a casa girl?If a BBBJ is administered then 10K works fine. On my last trip with one girl the BBBJ was also with CIM. That brought a smile to both of us after a 20K tip.

What I also like about tipping for a BBBJ is when you take the same girl again then you do not have to say a word as the BBBJ is given with gusto. I tip to benifit me. I learned this from my father many years ago. He would over tip the same waitress in our favorite resturant and we would get great service and always a free desert. Fellows life is short, why not make people happy and at the same time feel good about yourself.

The bottom line for me is tip if you like, but if you are my Wingman and do not put in your share then hit the road Jack.

Viajero
06-22-10, 12:33
I will be relocating to Colombia from the USA very soon, and can't wait. My wife is Colombian from the cost and that's where she is intending in living and feels strongly about. I, on the other hand have something else in mind. I am planning on mongering on the side of course and dread the cost. First, Cartagena is expensive for my budget real estate, mongering wise, and the heat of course. Barranquilla is not attractive, and the heat is unbearable. As for my taste, I adore paisas and think that maybe where I will settle. However, my wife insists on living on the cost preferably Barranquilla.

I find my self to be fortunate to be able to stay in good health after some tough long years of hard work in the States, I finally called it quits and decided on living permanently in Colombia.

What you dear folks recommend to this poor fellow.

Ricker
06-22-10, 13:20
Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans?Whatever amigo, you can't learn everything from reading a one page fact sheet and spending 3 days at the Mansion.

Enjoy Colombia and it's people, pay the going rate, treat people respectfully, tip approprietly (not rocket science) and don't be a total tacano schmuck.

It's just not that difficult.

People hating Americans?

Well, I've seen the ignorant loud-mouth types getting dirty looks from locals, but I don't appreciate that kind either.

For the most part, and I'm talking in general, throughout SA, Americans are well received and we have a far better reputation with the girls than do the typical local boys.

If you're feeling hated as an American, throw away the fact sheet (wickopedia or whatever) and re-read paragraph 2 above.

Good luck

Golfinho
06-22-10, 13:28
You have to take what Bango says in stride. He's an expat who lives and works in Bogota "living the dream" getting paid in colombian pesos. :)

!).How does 'work' equate into 'living the dream'? Having to work in Latin America (or anywhere) sounds like living the nightmare. But, if you have to be a mug, you have to be a mug somewhere. About propinas: a lot of times the reaction I get when giving a tip determines how I tip the next time. Not expecting anybody to fall over themselves, but act like the tip is your due, or show ingratitude, and another propina won't be coming your way anytime soon. Doesn't everyone tip a 40k casa girl? 5 or 10K always. Ten + especially if you know you'll want to be doing her again.

Menteng
06-22-10, 13:31
I don't think your average paisa leaves a tip for his or her corrientazo.In places where they give you a receipt for the meal and/or drink there is a voluntary propina suggested. So if it is not common, I suppose it will not be mentioned.


And when I go out with my GF we BOTH put money in. She would be severely insulted if I tried to pay for everything. Only interesadas and prepagos do that in the circles I move in.Maybe I'm old-fashioned (no surprise at my age) but if I invite a woman, I take the tab. Even when I invite my wife for dinner, I pay because it was my initiative. It has nothing to do with the circles one moves in. It's about courtesy.


Actually come to think of it, two good corrientazos with drinks included DOES come to 8-10k. In the REAL Colombia where people make and spend pesos.I really would like to move to where you live. In Medellin you pay about 1500 pesos for a gaseosa. Ad a hamburguesa of 4000 pesos and you will exceed the 10k pesos for the two. I mention prices in a small joint here in the neighbourhood, because in the streetstalls you will not get a hamburguesa or perro for less than 6000 pesos. Oh yes, I forgot, banana-chips cost 1000 pesos. But really, do you have your first dates in such places?

Hioctane
06-22-10, 17:23
You have to take what Bango says in stride. He's an expat who lives and works in Bogota "living the dream" getting paid in colombian pesos. :)

For a tourist who's just there a week or two, you obviously want to know what the going prices are so you don't throw your money left and right. But being "tacaño" (cheapskate) can backfire on you as well. For taxi rides, I usually just round up to the next 1k or 2k at most if it was a long ride or late at night; it's usually not worth the trouble demanding back exact change. Why [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the driver over $1.25? I guess it depends on the situation, time of day or night, and length of the ride; go with your gut feelings on this.

High end restaurants at Lleras and other upscale neighborhoods, a 10% tip is fine if the service was good (can't remember now but I think the tip is mandatory anyway in some of the higher end places). The cheaper everday joints, don't leave more than 1k cop maybe 2k if it was a big or complicated order. Even just your change with the coins can be enough in many situations. Who wants all that small change jangling in your pockets anyway? Small tips from a visiting gringo are appreciated, and you'll usually get good treatment from the same people should you visit again.

Of course, if you don't plan on any repeat visits for a certain venue, then you can easily get away with not tipping at all.

I don't live in Colombia but from what I've read, I wouldn't pay more than 5K over the "going rate" for the housekeeping. Not because the old afro-colombian lady who's doing the work is going to get lazy, or steal your silverware, or rat on you to the bad guys, LOL, but rather you don't want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off your petty, jealous neighbors if they find out how generous you are. ;) A nice bonus around Christmas and one other major holiday would be a smarter move and greatly appreciated by those ladies (who sometimes have to support 3 generations!).Phunluv,

I think you hit it on the head. Tipping customs vary from country to country. On my first trip, I didn't know what I was doing and tipped generously so as not to get dirty looks. I didn't know I was overtipping until my local amiga told me so.

I think it would be most useful if we added a customary tipping section to the "lists" so newbies know what they are doing first time and not turn this country into another CR!

Hioctane
06-22-10, 23:28
If a BBBJ is administered then 10K works fine. On my last trip with one girl the BBBJ was also with CIM. That brought a smile to both of us after a 20K tip.

What I also like about tipping for a BBBJ is when you take the same girl again then you do not have to say a word as the BBBJ is given with gusto. I tip to benifit me. I learned this from my father many years ago. He would over tip the same waitress in our favorite resturant and we would get great service and always a free desert. Fellows life is short, why not make people happy and at the same time feel good about yourself.

The bottom line for me is tip if you like, but if you are my Wingman and do not put in your share then hit the road Jack.It's one thing to tip for service.. It's a totally different thing to tip for the sake of tipping (even for shitty service). That is what I detest. That is what people in the States do.. tip for good or bad service.. because it's expected. I would hate for this beautiful country to follow the same example.

Hioctane
06-22-10, 23:38
Whatever amigo, you can't learn everything from reading a one page fact sheet and spending 3 days at the Mansion.

Enjoy Colombia and it's people, pay the going rate, treat people respectfully, tip approprietly (not rocket science) and don't be a total tacano schmuck.

It's just not that difficult.If you've never been to Colombia, how do you know what the "going rate" is? Are you going to find it by reading a fact sheet? Is the going rate what the mansion rate is? You should go to Mayorista and pay the mansion rate? If you've never been to Colombia, what the "appropriate tip" is? Like I said, it varies from country to country and takes experience..

It would be great to keep everyone informed so people don't overtip or undertip because there is no universal standard.