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Member #4239
05-27-02, 19:16
Any body living in Cali or visiting there recently? Any information on the quality and friendliness of the girls(both working and regular girls)would be appreciated.
Also appreciate any info regarding the city itself, especially with regards to safety.
Thanks. J.G.

Marbo88
05-30-02, 21:07
To J.G.

If you are afraid about security, probably is better to go to another country, I mean, you will have more risks in Colombia than other countries. I think at present the security is similar in everywhere. You will find dangerus places, as well as safe places. In Cali, the north, where you find many discos and restaurants (Av. 6a.) must be safer than other places in the city. But you have to pay attention!!!

Regarding Girls, you will find very beautiful girls in discos looking for somebody. If you are looking something for money, you can talk to the street girls (there are around those places, too) or go to FLORES FRESCAS (tell to taxi driver for this or another place).
In case that you want to have your company in your room, you can ask to bell boy or buy the newspaper EL PAIS and see CLASIFICADOS (adds) in ESPECIALISTAS section.


Good Luck!!!

Try this HP: www.kaliente.com

Member #4239
05-31-02, 10:13
Thanks a lot for your reply Marbo. J.G.

PanamaJack
06-02-02, 03:14
I went to cali about 6 months ago stayed at this aparthotel right next to the casino at the intercontinental nice place, i think its call rayda; stayed their two weeks spent $150; at the inter would have spent that in one day for a room. any way there was a bar not to far away, about two blocks away, i think it was called "escocia" not shore; went their a couple of times incredeable looking girls a little expensive for cali but, cheap for american standards, think i pay $35 for an hour not many rooms in the bar, but if you want to take then to your hotel room i think $20 exit fee and then you negociate with the girl. can anybody tell me if this place is still open is very convinient and in the safes part of cali with all the major hotels near; one night took me two girls two my room all night cost me $200 had a great time in cali, some of the most beautiful girls that i have seen in my life truly.

Marbo88
06-06-02, 03:57
To Panamajack

Yes that Bar still there, but you should try "Flores frescas" (Every taxi driver knows) the girls there are wonderful too!!!

PanamaJack
06-07-02, 07:01
to marbo88


Actually had a chance to go to "FLORES FRESCAS" but the night i was suppose to go, i went to la sexta with some friends and we met some caleñas that where willing to give it up for free, so you now how that goes; i don't pass up free pussy not in cali anyway. hey i got a question for you; how are thing now in cali?, i wanted to go for july but i don't know, i usually go to panama for a couple of weeks, then from panama fly to cali for a week; the last time i went everybody was telling me how dangerous it was but i know cali somewhat, know what area not to even think about going into, i also have some good friends in cali so they pretty much show me the way around cali. one thing with cali that everybody should know is that, for a tourist it is one of the easiest places that i've been to for scoring free puss... with a gorgeaous ladies you may have to spend some $ on drinks but thats all; alot of times just go to the bars in the area of la sexta, it help to know how to dance salsa and just be nice to the ladies you just don't know how affective that is in a place like cali. well next time i'm going to have to check out "FLORES FRESCAS" how much is it to get in now, i think somebody told me 90.000 pesos.

Marbo88
06-08-02, 01:00
To Panamajack

Yes, you are right about security of the city. The situation here are unknown, we hope the things will change with our new president, but at present I consider is risky to come here especially if you do not speak spanish or are caucasian looking.
I suppose that your friends are Colombian. If so, you can enjoy with your friend's advice. They will know well how are the safest places to enjoy free girls, shows, or some cute girls with different costs. Be careful with girls looking for free sex or cheap costs, some of that girls are drugaddicts. Do not forget: USE PROTECTION EVERYTIME!!!!!!

About cost of FLORES FRESCAS, is one of the high prices places in Cali. You can try to go to "Kaliente" too. I put HP adress in my first message. You can see some of the cute girls working there, unfortunately faces only can see when you met this girls.

If I find another info will ask you

Bye now

PanamaJack
06-08-02, 03:44
marbo88


Yes my friends are colombian and I'm panamanian so i speak fluent spanish, so i really blend in pretty good, they alway tell me that i look and talk like un "costeño". anyway usually the girls that a have picked up in clubs are middle class, i went to meet a couple of this girls family, i guess they tought that i was looking for a wife but not right now i'm having to much fun. their is a lot of caleñas in panama too, thats the reason why i went to cali in the first place, to meet a caleña that i met in panama. I fell in love with caleñas from the first day i set foot in cali, they treated me like a king, not only the girl that i went to meet but her 18 year old sister her beautiful cousins all of them treated me great. After that first time i was hook on caleñas. i've met alot ladies in chipi chape mall that place is like a meat market for the young and beautiful and they are approachable unlike the girls hear in the states, caleñas really know how to strut, i just seat back and watch,its an art form the way they walk just like runway model. I also had a chance to go to this area of cali called la zona rosa they have a bunch of bar with ok girls some stars but it was dirt cheat i pay 15 dollar for a nut, i don't know if this bars are still open. oye compay mandame ha decir cual es el mejor lugar en cali para recojer viejas y escribeme sobre juanchito si todavia tienen esa ley zanahoria y que tan peligroso esta, bueno hermano te veo.

Redbull #1
06-19-02, 22:18
Hey panama and other dudes,

I've done Amsterdam and Costa Rica twice. I met so many hottie Colombianas in CR that I thinking about actually going down there. My girlfriend in CR is from Medellin and in the old forum they said that the Medellin girls were the hottest. Basically I hear conflicting stories about Cali and Medellin as to who has the hottest girls. Have you been out to Medellin? I can't decide if I want to goto Cali or Medellin. I am Latino from the east coast of the US so i speak fluent spanish....but I don't know a single soul in Colombia. I don't want to travel in between cities because I here it's too dangerous. Also, how easy is it to pick-up viejas for free? Thanks for any input.

PanamaJack
06-19-02, 23:31
redbull,



Actually never been to medellin, but alot people called that city metrallin you know what I'm talkin about, traveling in betwen cities is crazy not even if i was colombian; I think cali is safer than medellin but not by much I've met girls from medellin in panama and cali, in my opinion the girls from medellin don't have "el calor y la alegria" that the caleñas have they seen more serious, in colombia they called the peolple from that region paisas, if you go be careful thats pablos town.
If you dance salsa you are in heaven in cali my friend, pussy will flow to you like water you just have to drink it .

Well about the hottest! its hard to say i think me myself like caleñas more they seen to have the smallest waist with some nice round asses not to big just perferct and to me their is more variety in cali I've seen blonde, morenas,trigueña, mulatas, negras and all shades in betwen, blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, you name it; above all, caleñas will bend over backwards to please you if your are a tourist i know mi hermano.

Member #4239
06-20-02, 10:31
Panamajack, Marbo, and all the other experts on Cali
I speak Spanish fluently, but I am a gringo. What kind of possible danger are we talking about? Just getting robbed and losing some money? or are we talking about getting kidnapped, killed and stuff like that?
I am thinking about going down to Cali and getting me a nice young traditional "carinosa" girl for marriage.
Your input is much appreciated. J.G.

PanamaJack
06-21-02, 07:12
J.G.


Colombia at this moment its not a safe destination for gringos or any foreigner even if you speak spanish, I think that in about 6 month thing will be better. I to plan to find me my wife in cali but I'm to far from that right know, the country its at war with some terrorist so we know how that goes.

Redbull #1
06-21-02, 15:54
I'm curious to know if any of you guys have had experience with the numerous Colombian women marriage agencies....There are a lot of hotties on there but I wonder how many really interested in marriage or are they just submitting photos to earn a few bucks.

Also to Panama would you go through an agency or just try to meet them of the street while down there?

PanamaJack
06-21-02, 21:03
redbull,

I think the best way to meet girls in cali for marriage is througth an agency, just make sure their reputable. Usually you can tell what kind of girl she is when you meet her friends and family, if she doesn't want you to met her people asume the worst and move on. A lot people asume that this girls are just looking for a way out of cali, not thru; most are just looking for somebody to be with; in cali a hear that the ratio for male to female 10 to 1, for every male ages 16-28 their 10 females 16-28 so its pretty bad for the ladies and most of the colombian guys now this. If you take into account that the murder rate for a male betwen the ages of 16 to 28 is 9 for every 100 and for the females its 1 for every 100 you understand why their so many more females than males.

Member #4239
06-22-02, 15:11
Thanks for the info Panamajack. Keep us updated please. J.G.

Marbo88
06-26-02, 04:33
To Redbull

Regarding Medellin girls, it is matter of taste, both Cali and Medellin girls are GREAT!!!! I think, if you are looking for some elegant, and model class lookin girl, probably you can find it in Medellin. (After all, is the city of Colombian top models). If you are looking for funny, dancer looking girl, will probably need Cali's girls. Anyway, Colombian girls are kind, good dancers, and good lovers.

About marriaging agencies, I consider, what for? you can find and meet wonderful women everywhere. As Panamajack post before, you can go to Chipichape in Cali, you will find a lot of single girls looking for good man.


To J.G.

As I put in my advice for Panamajack, if you are caucasian with some foreigner accent in your spanish, it is too risky to come here.
At present many majors are threated by guerrillas, and people outside is reduced after 10 pm.


But ... you foreigner guys, have one point in handycap. Colombian girls are looking for foreigners to get marry, because they consider foreigners can appreciate girls as real person.
So, if you guys are looking for something serious, act as you are, and act with kind.


cheers.

Redbull #1
06-26-02, 19:09
Marbo88 and PanamaJack,

Thanks for all of your input......

Redbull #1
06-27-02, 18:27
I have also found that a good way to meet woman is to set-up and account with www.amigos.com This is a latin dating service...I've already been in contact with some chicas from Bogota.

Everyday I read the Reuters news hoping that the situation will begin to improve in Colombia. My girlfriend from Costa Rica isa Colombianita from Medellin and wants me to go visit her in like November. I can't marry her because she's a hooker and she doesn't want to come to the states because she makes too much money in Costa Rica. But I'm interested in Colombia girls for possible marriage because they are so hot and I've ready been married once to a fucking gringa which was a nightmare. Bottom line is I am in my early 30s and I wouldnt mind settle down,,,,,, the girls here suck....And I 've already been to Amsterdam and SJ twice....I think San Jose is the best place for fucking around......Marbo88 and Panama have you guys been to SJ and how does it compare to Colombia or Panama.

What I really need to is make friends with a Colombian dude around here....there everywhere.

PanamaJack
06-28-02, 18:58
redbull,


No dout it would be better to have some friends in colombia if you go. About panama there alot colombianas in panama pros and regular girl, the pussy business in panama its booming,the difference between panama and costa rica its that panama doen't rely on tourist as much, theres alot of commerce, alot of people that come to panama on business, so that pretty much driving the pussy boom in panama. About the girls, think of costa rica with alot more colombianas and thats what panama is; the last time i went to panama I met one of the most beautiful girls that seen in my life she was from barranquilla living in panama with her family so if you get a chance to go to panama you will enjoy its as much as costa rica and its safe not like colombia. Know colombia wait about six month it will get better, I love colombia for the simple fact that most females are so humble, a guess they've suffer so much that they just want to live in peace.

Kdog
07-11-02, 04:18
Cali is safe for Americans. I've been 3 times in the last year and I'm going again at the end of July. I have many US friends that go frequently. There's never even a hint of a problem. I can't believe how many people are afraid to go there. The only people that run into trouble are extremely high profile visitors and misguided visitors who venture into the countryside where there's no government control.

The marriage agencies in Cali are legit and helpful. The women you can meet through these agencies are amazing both inside and out. If you are looking for marriage, this is the place to meet your wife. I'd love nothing more than for all US heterosexual men to grab a Colombian wife so I can laugh at all the US women as they wonder what they did wrong.

Member #4239
07-12-02, 06:56
kdog
I would love to visit Cali and meet a nice woman for marriage. However I have been scared off by the other reports posted here. Also I read the state department travel warning about Colombia, and it sure was scary as well.
But, you feel that all of this is exaggeration?
When you say that the marriage agencies are legit and helpful, which ones specifically are you referring to? Have you or your friends had any dealings with them?
Your response is appreciated. J.G.

Kdog
07-17-02, 04:28
J.G.

Yes, the travel advisory put out by the US government is a little silly. However, I understand why they did it. The Colombian criminals are unique in that they have no interest in harming anyone as long as they get money. The way they get money is by getting companies, family, and/or governments to pay ransom. Our government is basically saying "look, if you get kidnapped in Colombia, you're on your own". You can be 99.9999% sure you won't be kidnapped if you stay in the major cities and you are not a high profile individual or government official. In all honesty, the most frightening part of my trips to Cali were when I arrived back at the Miami airport and had to find my car in the parking lot. I'm convinced that you are at least 10 times more likely to meet a criminal in a city like Miami than one like Cali (with the exception of pick-pocketers which are common in most central and south american countries).

I can strongly recommend the latinbest agency in Cali. www.latinbest.com. But don't pay anything until you arrive in Cali. Once you are there, you can pay a small fee (I think $40) and get access to about 10 photo albums packed with beautiful and available Colombian women. They will make the phone call for you and the girls usually arrive in 15-30 minutes. Then you speak with them for usually about 30 minutes (it helps if you know some Spanish, then generally know very little English). If you hit it off, you can invite them for dinner. They will almost always say yes. In fact, I've never seen them turn down a date. Don't have plans for sex on the first date. These are not slutty women and are generally high-class by Colombian standards.

BYW, you can sleep at the latinbest agency. It's a little corny because it's basically a house and the showers/restrooms are shared by all. I do not recommend staying at the Inter-Continental hotel unless you are really afraid of local Colombian hotels or unless you have a lot of money to throw away. The I-C hotel will cost you about $100 per night while other decent Cali hotels cost about $40 per night.

Member #4239
07-18-02, 08:18
kdog
thanks a lot for the info. J.G.

PanamaJack
07-24-02, 05:08
Kdog,


Tell my something, do you know cali pretty good? can you tell me if there is any other agencies that you tried like tlc. I absolutly love cali it is truly heaven when it comes to women.

Prosal
07-26-02, 13:40
Panama, kdog, your reports on Cali/Barranquilla make me strongly think about a side trip in Colombia during next trip in Brasil...could you inform me about the general cost of life there....kdog recommanded to avoid IC and stay in 40 $ hotels, but what is the average budget (restaurants, discos fees, drinks...) for a night out in Cali ?
Thanks in advance
Pro

Redbull #1
07-26-02, 22:04
Hey Panama and others,

If you guys are think of going the agency route you really need to purchase the "Two Gringos Guide to Meeting Colombian Women" The books is small but very informative. The best part about this is when you purchase it you are allow access to their discussion board which is very similar to this. The difference is that their discussion board focuses on meeting quality women for relationships. The board is loaded with info on every major city in Colombia, where to meeting girls, differences and quality of service that the legitimate agency offers, and the blow by blow action of the reports from guys that go to Colombia. I was shocked at the amount of North American men that head down to Colombia on a weekly basis.

The book is $25 bucks but totally worth it.......their website is www.gringos.com

Those of you who know me from previous posting on this section and the putas in Costa Rica know I'm not bullshiting.

Take care

PanamaJack
07-29-02, 06:16
Just finish talking to my girl in cali, things are not looking so good right know, she told me they found enough explosive in cali to blow up half of the city. Also there is a ton of military in the city, tourism is down big time most of the hotels are half empty. Look guys there is a good chance that if you do decide to go know nothing its going to happen to you, just be aware of the facts so you can take precautions good luck.

marinero38
07-29-02, 17:50
The army is always in Cali because the 3rd Brigade is based here and they patrol around the neighborhoods of the base a lot and they are quite visible. It has been several months since an arms cache has been discovered and, except for yesterday morning, very quiet recently. Yesterday morning a car bomb exploded near the mayor's office at 5:50 a.m., a time when you should not be out on the street in "el Centro" anyway. No one was hurt. Many people confuse the army with the national police because they all wear "army" uniforms. The police have olive green - the army camouflage - and they all carry M-16's or =.

Actually, now is a good time to come to Cali. The exchange rate is really good and you can get some good deals for your $. When you get here, check out El Pais' classified under Especialistas. As long as you don't carry large amounts of cash, try to stand out like a neon sign saying tourist, and use some common sense in staying out of bad areas, you can have a great time here in relative safety.

PanamaJack
07-31-02, 05:39
Marinero,


Men I would love to go to cali right know, the peso its at about 2.400 peso for the dollar shit you can't beat that; I know about that military base, its on the highway heading south right before you hit unicentro. If anybody is been to cali recently tell me if they have a city curfew thanks. Oh marinero can you recommend any specific ad in el pais they have alot of them listed.

marinero38
08-01-02, 02:35
Flores Frescas regularly runs an ad in the classifieds and they say it is one of the best clubs. Another place that has a good reputation is called, I think, Crystal Club. They are on Pasoancho in the south and it is a safe but not tourist area. There is a place on Carrera 50 around Calle 7. Kaliente, which advertises on the internet is a little pricey for what they offer, but the girls are good looking. There are a number of places in the same neighborhood as Flores Frescas. You will see an N in the address. Generally, the north part of Cali is the tourist area, or what remains of it. If you want to go from place to place, take cabs. It is probably best to call on the phone for cabs as they are generally safer. The cabbies know virtually all of the places to go but remember most get a commisison from the clubs they establish relations with so you wont always get a objective opinion. Many of the places do not stay in business too long so the ads are constantly changing and it is hard to say which new places are good. Also, it depends on the girls in each place. Each one is different and probably different with each guy.

There are some areas to stay out of or you will get hurt. Don't go the east side of Cali unless you are with someone with local knowledge. Also don't go in to the hill area south of San Antonio and west of Calle 1. Also, don't carry a lot of cash. There are plenty of ATM's every where and you can get what you need from them if you plan ahead. Don't wear a lot of flashy jewlery and sh*t like that either as it is an invitation to petty thieves. Stay out of el Centro, especially at night. There are a few places in that area but they are not safe and they serve the lowlifes of Cali.

Some of the ads are for "domocilio" only. I don't know too much about these except they can be hit and miss. My experience with hotels was that they didn't really care who you brought in so long as you paid the double rate. But if you bring someone to your room, it is one more reason to use the hotel safe for your valuables. If you have a problem with your hotel, which is very unlikely, you can always use a motel, which are rented out by the hour to locals and are very private.

The biggest problem you are going to find in Cali is that it is so full of good looking women that it is mindnumbing.

PanamaJack
08-01-02, 17:46
Thanks Marinero for the info. when I was in cali one of the things that I use to like to go do was hike up las tres cruses, took about an hour; good place to meet girls specially saturday morning, got alot of dates on that hill, got to the point where I would go just to see fine caleñas in there tight exercise outfits, young and beautiful and in great shape, good spot to see the hold city from the top.

Kdog
08-02-02, 21:45
Pro,

I just returned from another great week in Cali. God, the women are gorgeous and sweet. I would recommend visiting Cali on your next trip to Brazil, but be aware that it's a completely different experience. In Cali, the sex business is not as out in the open and the number of sex clubs is less. On the plus side, I feel the Cali women are even more beautiful (I love their black hair, dark eyes, combined with light skin and great bodies) and I feel the experience is more genuine. Don't get me wrong, I think Brazil is awesome, and depending upon what I'm in the mood for (non-stop sex, for example), I might prefer Brazil.

About the costs in Cali. Most things are dirt cheap, but you must stay away from the tourist traps (Inter-continental comes to mind). Great dinner for $4 (8 Mil), taxi almost anywhere for $2 (4 Mil), and hotel for $40 (80 Mil). Do not rent a car. The taxi's are safe and cheap with one exception, from the airport it's a bit expensive ($15 or 30 Mil).

Please be aware you MUST pay an airport exit tax of $25 or 65 Mil IN CASH. If you don't bring enough cash to the airport and your ATM card doesn't work at the airport, plan on staying in Cali another night.

Good luck

PanamaJack
08-03-02, 03:36
kdog,


My friend details, more details please I've been dying to go to Cali this summer you lucky bastar, how is the situation right know as we speak; is there many tourists in the city usually guys looking for caleñas. I envy you lucky dog, I'm going to travel for december hopefully for the hold month like I did my last trip to Cali.

Member #4239
08-03-02, 08:50
kdog....lucky dog...we all envy you man...keep the posts coming. J.G.

Kdog
08-03-02, 22:23
PanamaJack,

I noticed fewer Americans on my trip last week, but I wasn't paying very close attention. There was definitely a stronger military presence at the airport. Guards were everywhere. They gave me two complete searches inside the airport and my taxi was searched just outside the airport. I didn't notice anything unusual in the city. It didn't "feel" dangerous to me, but my sences were blinded by the beautiful women. As always, be aware of pick-pocketers. I've never run into it, but they tell me it's common in some parts of Cali.

I don't know much about the marriage agencies in Cali other than latinbest, but I believe they are all legit. Whatever the agency, I suggest negotiating the price. Tell them another agency offered you a better price and request half. Spend the money you save on the beautiful Colombian women.

Those who plan on visiting one of the marriage agencies, please pay for the taxi when you invite a woman to the agency. It costs the girl approx $2 each way and that's a lot of money for them. The Colombian women are usually too proud to ask for the money, but they will greatly appreciate it when you offer it to them.

Johan007
08-03-02, 23:01
KDOG,

love your posts.
I hear that Cali actualy hasthe prettiest ladies in all colombia.
Did you visit Barq. as well?? medellin???
Is it true that in Bogota are more high profeesional women and less sweet girls??

Could you please tell us some prices of SW and their services???
Did you fly from Miami directly to Cali...or via Bogota??

Did you also had an "GFE" there...???

Been thinking to make the big step to Col. next year feb/march.(If things not get worse down there)
Maybe be settling down in SA permanently but NOT in Colombia;-)

Been thinking about Costa Rica or Venezuela.
Seems that there is a shortage on save& cheap hotels with incall SW's...;-)
I just might want to start such a service for decent gents from the US/Europe.
Only thing is I have to improve my spanish;-) and to make some "contacts"....;-)

Johan.

Kdog
08-04-02, 17:08
Johan,

I've never been to Barq or Medellin. I live in Miami and all the Colombians claim Medellin has beautiful and sweet women just like Cali. I've been to Bogota and it sucks! The weather is miserable (cloudy, cool, and rainy) and I've yet to meet a friendly person there. Everything is more expensive too.

I've never picked up a SW in Cali because I'm always in a taxi which makes it ackward. The women in Frescas are beautiful and will give you an excellent GFE for $70 US including the room. Most will also give out their phone number so you can meet again outside the club.

I always fly direct from Miami. I believe Aces and American are the only two non-stops from Miami. Aces has much better food, other than that, I didn't notice much difference.

For a safe, beautiful country with great women, Costa Rica is a good choice. However, I plan on living in Colombia one day. The houses are extremely cheap and I prefer the women, food, and culture in Cali. Brazil and Costa Rica are a close second for me.

Kdog

marinero38
08-05-02, 17:38
December is a great time to come to Cali because it is Feria time and everyone is in a partying mood. Lot'sa salsa, parties everywhere, and the women are looking their best. Only problem, everyone else is here too and demand goes up.

Between now and Feria is a good time to come if you like things a little quieter. Still plenty of action but the supply exceeds demand and so you can get a little more for your peso. SW's are on la Sexta even as late as 6:00am but it ain't too safe messing with them. You never know who they are or whether they are working rip offs with an associate. Be very careful in that regard. Personally, I don't think it is worth the risk when you can do so well with girls in the local casas or with servicio domicilio out of news paper ads.

Been to Margarita Is. in Venezuela. My take: It was overpriced and the women couldn't hold a candle to Colombianas both in looks and attitude.

marinero38
08-06-02, 03:42
Hey, when you're in S Am, you gotta expand your possibilities, specially if you want to get laid. Besides, dancing to Musica Tropical is sexier.:-)

Member #4239
08-06-02, 16:35
To Monkey(aka Nibu Raphael)
What was your last post about? It is total non-sense. You are trying to mess up the Cali site as well? Why don't you confine your non sensical ramblings to the Peru site? Is there any place in this forum where we can get away from your bull shit?

Gpiper
08-07-02, 01:45
yo Nibu, I don't like salsa either. But when it comes to nailing beautiful latin girls, i'll pretend i like that shit during my whole vacation if necessary!.. Lets stay on the sex track with your posts...More interesting!

marinero38
08-07-02, 02:33
oyyyy, you mean all those incredible women I see at Chango dancing to salsa, meringe, ... are gay????? Sure doen't seem like it to me. ;~) And anyhow, who cares if you can take one or two home with you.

B Player
08-11-02, 19:28
NEED HELP! going to Col. for the 1st time,only Bogata, Iam looking for information on where to find the best working girls. Any info. on clubs,bars,hotels,restaurnts,parts of town,WEB SITES etc... would be of great help.I have had no luck finding web sites with pic. phone numbers,prices etc..of girls in Col. like I have for other latin countries.Is this not the way its done in Colombia?

PanamaJack
09-19-02, 02:32
Everybody its got there opinion about what type of chicas they like. Like the saying goes "in the eye of the beholder", in my personal opinion from my travels to Cali, Bogota, Cartagena and of course traveling to Panama quiet often, I absolutly love Cali for one reason the "caleñas" they might be beautiful chicas in medellin,and all over colombia but I've never seen so many with such increadeable bodies until I went to Cali my friend, I can sit here and write all kind of stuff, but you got to go and see it yourself. One thing a absolutly love on a women its a small waist, round ass and a pretty face; no other place in colombia has more culonas than Cali in my opinion, of all shades, Anybody gets a chance to go before december tell me if a bar full of putas called "escocia" near the hotel intercontinental its still open.

JamesBond69
09-19-02, 02:43
>Cali or medellin...

I think any Colombian will tell you that the most beautiful women in Colombia are from Cali.

Second is Medellin but the girls there are beautiful but a bit proud, like fashion models.

Cali is the capital of Rumba. In short, the girls like to party and hard. There is no moral holding back but unlike Brazil the girls also have some real substance to them, even the pros.

Colombia is tempting for a serious hobbyist but...

That said....if you don't know Spanish well, can't blend in with the locals, look America - these days you are at serious risk in Colombia except for Cartagena, which is still free of most of the violence.

Zippy
09-19-02, 22:24
In my opinion, Cali edges out Medellin overall for chicas. They both have an abundance of gorgeous women, however, their are many more options (P4P wise) in Cali.

MRC
09-28-02, 01:20
I am going to Cali in the next few weeks any recommendations. This is my first time in Columbia and Cali. What to expect re Hotels prices brothels etc.

Member #4239
09-29-02, 10:43
Hi guys
Previously we had discussed marriage/introduction agencies at this site(city of Cali). I just wanted to let you know that I have posted my experience with an introduction agency(please see the Guadalajara, Mexico section). I would appreciate it if those of you who have had dealings with introduction agencies in Cali could post your experience/recommendations. Thanks. J.G.

Johan007
10-04-02, 01:00
Guys,

How great is the change I meet a decent calena girl during my holiday in February next year who will travel with me (and my friend) to Cartagena???
I like long black hair,Bubble BUtt and some tits as well.

I prefer 23-28 year old...I am (nearly) 36.
Are the malls a good "hunting ground"?? I speak some spanish.

another question....what is better pick up SW on the street or in a brothel?
I'd rather like some non-pro action.

bye.
Johan.

Johan007
11-21-02, 15:10
Nibu,
like I said before Ido NOT go to Colombia.
Even yesterday some bombs went off in Santa Martha killing 2 and injuring another 10 people.
And this area in the North was supposed "Farc-free".....yeah right.

All in all I think Colombia is NOT safe right now.
Not in Cali.....not in medellin and certainly not in Bogota.

cheers.

Johan.

PS: I do intend to plan a real gangbang. (Bolivia???Brasil???)

Ricker
11-26-02, 19:36
Just got back from a trip to Barranquilla and Cali ... had no problems. Everyone said to stay safe ... keep in the cities and definitely stay away from the countryside. Had a great time in both cities.
Found a place in Barranquilla named JUERNES, girls hang out and chat and dance with you ... take out service is about $20 to $40 negotiable. It was fun.
In Cali did Flores Frescas, price about $40 in house and $120 all night take out. Concentrated more on non-pro girls in Cali ... was my first time to Cali but definitely not my last ... it is now my favorite city on earth ... beautiful, sexy, nice approachable women who love you if you're nice to them. I saw and met beautiful girls I wouldn't be able to even talk to in the states.
Never felt in danger ... stayed at hotel CASA DEL PORTAL near ave Sexta ... about $40 per night incl tax and breakfast ... very nice and chica friendly.

Member #4239
11-27-02, 09:40
Ricker...good report
How long were you there for? On business or pleasure? Cali was completely safe? Where did you meet the non-pro girls?
Regards. J.G.

Ricker
11-27-02, 22:04
J.G. , it was my first time to Cali, had to visit after hearing so many great things about it. I was there for 4 days only on a visit after checking out Barranquilla and Bogota.

I've been going for years all over Central America and Venezuela for both work and pleasure and i absolutely loved the atmosphere in Cali ... friendly and fun but yet relaxed.

Don't know if i was just lucky but everyone i met was really cool, i speak OK spanish, especially for a gringo and everyone, from the chicas to taxistas were pleased that a gringo could talk to them ... it really pays dividends and you don't have to be perfect by any means.

I met the non-pro girls just by going to normal places ... hotels, mall, restaurants, the ave sexta bars and just smiling and going up and saying "hola". Something that never works in the U.S.
Just about every girl I approached, that didn't turn out to have a boyfriend or esposo was very friendly and happy to go out.

My favorite girls was a beauty i met in a hotel lobby just by accident. She was coming by to see her sister who worked there and i was staring at her cause she was HOT and she just smiled.
I figured, what the hell ... i said hi and asked her out and she said ok immediately and told me later ... not all the girls will admit it but 99 out of a hundred wish for a gringo boyfriend.

Anyway, she turned out to be only 19 and i'm close to 40 and she didn't care and i sure didn't care. Just be nice and if you like a girl, ask her out and she'll prob. say "Si".

by the way ... never felt any danger at all ... more dangerous in Miami if you take a wrong turn ... just don't leave the cities.

Member #4239
11-28-02, 08:18
Ricker
Thanks for the reply.
Did you by any chance have any dealings with any marriage agencies? If so, can you tell us a little bit about it. J.G.

Ricker
11-29-02, 18:30
J.G.
While in Cali I saw an ad for an open house at a marriage agency so i went to check it out. Turns out it was a thing for ladies to sign up and not for guys but the owner took me to the office to show me photos of girls and discuss their service.

When I was looking at some photo albums and the owner left the room, a really cute girl came in to make a phone call and i said hi, talked for about 3 minutes and i asked her out ... so we snuck out and spent the day and night together. That was just luck ... but again it shows how open and willing the ladies are in Cali if you're just nice and smile and treat them with respect ... which i don't think they're used to. I'm just an average gringo and speak OK but far from perfect spanish.

As far as prices, the agency wanted $300 for 3 weeks of phone nmbrs and also included some sort of get together one night with guys and girls.

I personally believe, if you're just willing to go out and about and meet people girls and guys (they always have friends), you don't need the agency. If you're in a hurry and just want to meet the girls thru photos, an agency can work too ... just not for me.
I tried it once in Barranquilla, it was fun, but i liked meeting everyday people more.

I would check out the newspaper classifieds in EL PAIS, has a listing and ads for marriage agencies. You can visit some and negotiate prices if that's the route you want to take.

By the way, I found the name of a "reservado" (casa with chicas for hire) a taxista gave me and he said it was numero uno: EVENTOS LIZ , didn't get a chance to check it out thogh

Headhunter2000
12-01-02, 03:07
Ricker, I am planning my first visit to Colombia in 2003. I am debating between Cartagena and Cali--haven't decided yet. I am a gringo with decent Spanish skills. My game plan is to try to meet non-pros. I will go after pros only if I strike out with the regular girls, or if I see something really special. You said you stayed at "Casa Del Portal." Would you stay there again? How can I contact this hotel to book a room? Do they have hot water, A/C, and safes in the rooms? (I guess I am a spoiled American, heh heh.) Have you been to Cartagena? I am leaning towards Cali, but some of my friends want to try Cartagena. Unfortunately I don't have time to do both cities. Is Cali better than Cartagena for meeting non-pros?

Member #4239
12-01-02, 05:22
Thanks Ricker for your useful and excellent reports. J.G.

Ricker
12-06-02, 03:30
Just got back from another short trip to Cali, I LOVE that place ... everywhere you look ... beautiful calenas.

Anyway, I don't know Cartegena at all, I've read some good posts in the Cartegena section though. I can though highly recommend Cali ... if you like young, sexy women wearing hip huggers, you'll like Cali, especially Thursday thru Saturday. As a matter of fact, I was just there on a Tues / Wed and had a great time.

I was fortunate and met a couple guys on this trip that gave me some tips on Cali. One guy was doing a Marriage agency deal and took me by the place to check it out. I don't have the name of the place with me but tomorrow i'll make another post with the info.

I learned you can easily negotiate any type of deal with these agencies. Per day deals for like $20 a day to look at the photos and make selections, weekly rates, etc. You can also live at the agency which a lot of guys do and negotiate the price of the room with the agency fee ... one guy told me he paid $60 per night and it included unlimited dates with the agency girls.

Anyway, a lot of guys use the agencies on a per day basis and still go out and do their own hunting like at Chipi-Chape mall. Not a bad method if you're there for a limited time and want to get max exposure to lots of girls ... I think i might even give it a shot next time.

I'll put the name of this agency in my next post but all the gringos there ... seemed to be old pros at this told me they had used the other agencies in town and this was the best by far... and the owner who i met was really cool ... and his secretaries in the office were hot.

Another tip ... if you plan to use pros and bring them to your hotel, don't sleep at the agency hotel ... obviously not a good mix.
Just get your own hotel and do a daily / weekly rate for dates with the agency.

I went to Cali thinking i was going to call this girl i met last week but i went out first on my own exploring a bit and met this absolutely beautiful senorita. Ended up spending most of my time with this new girl but when she was working, i still hit the mall and met a few more girls. I'll tell you ... just be nice and make eye contact ... if a girl smiles at you ... talk to her.

Sorry so long just wanted to throw out some info. I'm going thru a slight depression now having just left Cali, but i'll be back in a couple weeks.

Zippy
12-06-02, 05:38
Hey Ricker...

Good reports! I'll be heading back to Cartagena and Cali Dec 14th - Jan 6th and your reports are getting me psyched up again!

Member #4239
12-06-02, 13:37
Good work Ricker. Keep it up. J.G.

Headhunter2000
12-07-02, 17:46
I'll second that. Ricker, I'm looking forward to the follow-up report that you promised us. Also, I have a few questions about Cali that are not really "on-topic" for this board. Would you mind answering these via e-mail? Please contact me at: username at hotmail. Thanks. It is hard to find travel information about Colombia. I noticed Lonely Planet hasn't updated their Colombia guidebook since 1995!

Ricker
12-08-02, 05:31
OK, the name of the hotel I use is Hotel Casa del Portal.
I've never made a reservation, I just show up but their mumber is 660-3393 or 660-3395. located at Ave 6A No. 28N-23, tell the taxista it's near Chippi-Chappe.

Cost per night is 90,000 / about $36 US incl the tax ... they asked at first for 110,000 but just negotiate for 15 seconds and they'll lower the rate.
Hotel room is nice - big bed, hot water, AC ... only a safe at the front desk though. I like the place ... close to everything I like and really nice people working there ... they are happy you're there.

As for the agency I was introduced to ... the name is: All Colombian Girls ... owner is Ricardo Pedroza ... his secretary Iveth speaks pretty good english.
located Ave 8 Norte, No. 24N-30 .... telephone 667-8514.
Also see www.allcolombiangirls.com

Buenas suerte ... i'll be there again soon ... I love Cali!

Rendorseg
12-12-02, 18:11
I'll be in Cali the last week of the December and was wondering if any other Mongers will be... My idea is to perhaps have a, er, um, little group action... It should be the "Feria" there then and there will be lots of calenas (local Cali chicks) around.

For the purpose of such an event my thought is to go to a few of the "clubs", make the selection,, etc. I've read over the series of threads in this group and I just see that the Crystal Club is the best. Which other clubs are there that my WSG brothers might recommend (if that is indeed what they recommend)?

-Looks like there is that "Flores Frescas" (what's that, though?) and then there is the website for the Kaliente Club www.kaliente.com (some guys say it was nice).
-There is also this other site/club http://www.amigascali.1hwy.com/photo.html. (funny thing is that Platnym Argentina has far better looking pics but I know that in Cali there are hot looking calenas - not all their pics get on these sites...)
-I read in one earlier email that in the "Escocia" club one can get a lady for $35/hr with an exit fee of $20 - but once out the door of course it is likely all negotiable (ie: for an overnighter...)

Anyone game who might be there then? Oh, I speak Spanish quite well, nearly fluently. I'm in good physical shape, look reasonably good, and with my appearance I can fit in the background and not seem like an overt American, so I'll also be there for finding regular ladies for LTR and/or STR purposes but I have no illusions of bringing them to any such group event....

I do not have time to get that "Two Gringos Guide to Meeting Colombian Women" but I do wonder what the highlights are, redbull2372? Looks like one ought to spend time just walking up and down in the ChippiChappe Mall which is purportedly a nice meet market, for our purposes... going to the bars in the area of La Sexta (Av 6a) appears to be another good thing and it is supposedly better to do that with a few savvy guys.

Note starting on the 20th there will be a beauty contest for "Miss Feria" (see article titled "Las comunas muestran su belleza"

http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/HOY/MTR/C212N2.html#)

XXL
12-14-02, 23:45
Cali accommodation

Hotel usually charge extra when for visitors (the so-called "adicional"). I remember the Aristi hotel only did so for nightly visits, not for daytime visits. All the same, here's a tip regarding accommodation if you're looking for an alternative to hotels (although, I must say, it is two and a half years since I was in Cali).

If they are still operating, these two places are worth a try:

1) Apart Hotel Monte Carlo. This is situated in the Versailles district, a five minute's walk from the Avenida Sexta. Very close to the Amex office. It also has a middle-sized supermarket nearby. "Apart Hotel Monte Carlo in Versailles, cerca del almacén Olímpica" should get you there in a cab. (Olímpica is the supermarket's name). The area gets a little bit deserted after nightfall, which means walking is not safe, not even to the nearby Sexta. By the way, this place is very close to Flores Frescas (a ten minutes' walk, again if walking were an option). Prices, say like Aristi, but better value for money.

2) Edifício Los Cerros. This is situated on the other side of the Sexta, at the foot of the hill (="cerro") where you see the crosses on top ("las tres cruces"). Also a five minutes' walk to the Sexta, but don't try it after dark either.

I don't have any phone numbers.

Small tip about girls : the El Pais newspaper has a column with call-girl agencies (Classificados --> Otras Profesionales). I used their services dozens of time, and I was seldom disappointed. I remember getting good service from a pimp who went by the name of David in the ads.

Other tip about introduction agencies : I registered in one of them five years ago (Latin Best, I think, in the La Flora district). I paid 500 dollars up front for life membership. When I turned up one and a half year later though, I was told that "the rules have changed" and that I would have to contribute again if I wished to have meetings arranged. A scam. Paying on a short-term basis is certainly better, or maybe forgetting about introduction agencies altogether.

Rendorseg
12-16-02, 19:11
Thanks for those tips.
In the last week of December in Cali they will have an absolutely wild Feria - the salsa equivalent of Rio's carnaval, parades & parties till dawn. (check out www.caliescali.com and follow the link to the Feria) Cali is the salsa capital of the world and it will be one big party town! Would be fun to set up some kind of group thang w/WSG bros but I know it'll be fun in any case.
Rendorseg

XXL
12-18-02, 10:52
Feria de Cali

I was there once during the Feria, then I decided it was best to avoid that time of the year.

The Feria de Cali is not a popular street festival like in Brazil. What happens is that salsa groups from all Latin America give concerts in soccer stadiums. Even salsa lovers are sometimes reluctant to go to those concerts because of the big crowds and possible rowdiness.

Many people come to Cali just for the Feria so the town tends to get very full and accommodation may get scarce. Even call-girls get more business (I remember calling an agency once during the Feria and being told they'd run out of chicas because they'd sent eight to the Intercontinental hotel). Another nuisance I remember is that it was difficult to get from one side of town to the other (from the Northern part to the Southern part) because some connecting roads were blocked on account of a parade.

Cokeheads should also beware because I was told the police keeps a more watchful eye on foreign visitors during the Feria than at other times.

Right after the Feria, around New Year, everything gets quiet, too quiet in fact. Many chicas go away to visit relatives and there isn't much action on the night life circuit.

Don't let this discourage you, however, it is mainly a matter of taste : I avoid the Feria in Cali as well as Carnival in Brazil but some people seek out such events on account of the special atmosphere.

RCrusoe
12-19-02, 08:26
Greetings to the Gentlemen of this forum and Happy Holidays!

I am making my first trip to Cali in January. Of course I am going there for the beautiful girls, but also want to learn Spanish.

I have doing research on the web but the only reputable thing I have found for a Intensive Spanish Course in Cali is Berlitz which is quite expensive ( US$31/hour for private lessons). Does anyone know of a really good Spanish language school in Cali besides Berlitz? Much obliged for any assistance.

XXL
12-19-02, 11:49
Hi rcrusoe!

You'll find Colombian women with college degrees who will be delighted to give you private tuition for half (or a third of) that price!

You might advertise in EL PAIS.

E.g. : "Caballero norteamericano busca cursos privados de español etc."

I think you can pay the ad on line, only I don't know whether they have a securitised server for credit card transactions.

Ricker
12-24-02, 18:03
Just got back from Cali again ... I'll tell you, it gets better everytime I go. I'm sure it's because I'm making new contacts each time and making friends.

For the PFP scene, a colombian guy showed me a good place for a daytime session. It's called "clinica ... " address is:
Ave 2 norte , #23N 37.
A lot of upper class type guys in there drinking and talking and from 15 to 25 girls that come out and introduce themselves.
The price incredibly is only 30,000 pesos for an hour, about $12.
Nice girls, clean rooms, not elegant but nice and appreciative.
I tipped 10,000 pesos and the girl was very very happy.

Spent most of my time meeting real girls. First night met 2 girls from Medellin in Cali for the fiesta, absolutely stunning. Me and a colombian friend went dancing with them till 5 AM. I can't really dance salsa but just kind of went with the flow. After a few beers noone cares. I will learn this salsa though because all the girls love it.

Then I met this Calena in a bar where you sit and listen to music and watch MTV on big screen TVs. This girl is the sweetest girl i've ever met and i spent the rest of my time with her. Went dancing, drinking and even christmas carolling with her.
Matter of fact I'm going back to Cali on the 30th to spend new years with her and her family.

I almost did the marriage agency thing, which I think can be good if you do the pay by week thing ... but i think if you can meet some of the locals, like guys that work in the clubs or hotels, they'll introduce you to friends and their friends and so forth ... takes some time and luck though.

Anyway, good luck, hapy holidays and enjoy Cali ... I love that place.

Ferolga777
12-24-02, 20:13
Hello Ricker

I am glad that you enjoyed your time in Locombia.

Question: From the sound of your post it seems that you felt safe during your stay. Would that be an accurate statement?

Turbolover
01-02-03, 11:50
XXL,

Re: Tutelege and extracurriculars, and your writing...

"You'll find Colombian women with college degrees who will be delighted to give you private tuition for half (or a third of) that price!

You might advertise in EL PAIS.

E.g. : "Caballero norteamericano busca cursos privados de español etc." "

I am curious if such an advertisement could attract the wrong type of attention and cause bad guys to string me up in the junngle for ransome. I'd love to learn Spanish with all the extracurricular that are possible too, but postings from summer would recommend low profiles. I have caught the grist of recent postings and the reasonable safety of Columbia as contrasted to mid-year, but if it is safe to advertise identity and contact info as N. American then call me Columbian!

XXL
01-07-03, 21:33
Xthrax

OK, you might leave the "norteamericano" part out. You might go for "extranjero" (foreigner) instead.

A good idea would be to publish a cellular phone number in the ad and meet the girls first at some neutral location in town.

After all, if you register in an agency like so many Americans do in Cali, you will meet girls who will know who you are and even know your social status and address in Columbia and in the US. Some of these girls might have guerrilla ties too, if you think along these lines.

I don't see why an ad in the main city newspaper carries a greater risk than other pursuits mongers usually engage in while in Cali.

Antifreeze
03-12-03, 21:43
I went to that place named la Clinica this week (actually twice), and think that it is a great place. The address is calle 2 Norte #23N37. The place is clean, well maintained, and the women are numerous (up to about 20) and all decent person as far as I can tell. When one comes in, all women will be called out and will shake your hand telleing you her name. You then say which one you want to the doorman. You then pay $25 000 pesos (less than $10) and you then have an half hour with the lady that performs extremely well her duties. I tipped the girl $5 000 pesos and each were happy. I'd recomend that place to anyone to keep the prices low. When people pay high prices for sex, they end up destroying the entire industry with inflationary pressures. Enjoy!

Rendorseg
03-17-03, 00:18
Anybody else heading out to Cali during the last week of April?

Antifreeze
03-19-03, 17:00
Since I'm in Cali, I had the opportunity to visit only 'La Clinica' (which is a terrific place), because of a lack of specific addresses and comments related to other places. Contrarely to what is said on this forum, I had only bad experiences asking taxi drivers to take me to places (and I am fluent in Spanish).

Could people post names of places of businesses with addresses so I can ask my taxi driver to take me there with the address?

I pretty much like the formula of 'la clinica del amor' because there is a good selection of women, and they do not harrass customers. But, feel free to throw anything in there with the address or extremely specific directions.

Thank you all!

Antifreeze

Antifreeze
04-04-03, 20:49
rendorseg: I am in Cali, and now live here. Maybe we could meet during your stay.

Rendorseg
04-05-03, 00:01
Sorry Amigo - last minute emergency resulted in my not going now... may be out in a few months though... Have fun! Which hotel'ya at?


Originally posted by antifreeze
rendorseg: I am in Cali, and now live here. Maybe we could meet during your stay.

Rendorseg
04-05-03, 00:03
By the way, I had actually good experiences with the taxi drivers there.... seek and ye shall find. What'd be good would be to find a lovely 1 or 2 day gal, a semi pro... are you finding any leads on such hot babes there? Good luck and enjoy!!!!!!!


Originally posted by rendorseg
Sorry Amigo - last minute emergency resulted in my not going now... may be out in a few months though... Have fun! Which hotel'ya at?

Antifreeze
04-05-03, 16:59
I live in Cali now. So, my hotel is home. Spending a full $200/month on my 1800 sq. foot appartment on the 9th floor with georgious view on the mountains (can't beat that).

I had a ride with a taxi driver that talked the other day. I asked for places similar to la Clinica, preferably to the north, and he came with that list.

1) At the corner of Avenida 4 and Calle 20 Norte, there is a place (don't know the name and haven't checked on it yet).
2) Then one can ask to go to la 'zona rosa en la carrera 15'. Every taxi driver knows where that is (downtown Cali - once again I have not been there and will post results when I will).
3) More south, there is a place called 'Cupido' that is supposed to be just great (I will post again the results when I will go there).

Antifreeze
04-06-03, 05:53
OK, I've been looking at some places that the taxi driver talked about, and I have some addresses to help you get there.

The first address is Carrera 66 #9-61. That's in the south. I don't know the name of the place. I went there around 2PM on a Saturday, so there was not a great selection of women (only 4 of them). I did not even taste any of them and went away (so I don't even know how much they charge - silly me).

A block away from there is 'Cupidos'. The address is Autopista Sur #65A-28B. Oncew again, it was pretty early on a Saturday afternoon, and there were only 3 women and didn't even care for any of them. I did ask how much was asked for an half hour, and it is at 30 000 pesos (a full $10US).

MRC
04-07-03, 01:19
antifreez, I am interested in geting an apartment as well. I want to purchase one if I can Is your apartment an apartment hotel if so can you share the name of this apartment building. Thanks in advance

PanamaJack
04-07-03, 10:19
Cali is fun place to visit, I can only image how much fun it is to live there. Planning on visiting cali when I move to panama in may, only a 45 min. flight from cali. looking forward to visiting cali often once I move, life its to short enjoy.

Antifreeze
04-07-03, 17:09
MRC, renting an appartment is cheap but you have to bend over backwards for all the requirements related to paperwork. That is, most probably, the landlord will ask for someone to endorse that has what is called "propredad raise" (owns a house in Colombia) and has some revenue. So, assuming that you don't have any family down here, it basically kills the deal. The way around this, is to give a full 6 months of rent up front. But, beware, should you get burned, you do not have a great legal system behind you to help you get your money back. So, overall, renting is a risky business. Buying is also somewhere risky, although it is cheap. If you buy, make sure that you occupy the place. If the place was used by someone that you don't even know for 2 years, that person now owns the place. That is part of a special law targeting to help all the people displaced by war. So, one of 2 things. You live in there, or you pay (or charge rent) with a correct notarized contract to someone where it is clearly stipulated that you still own the place. Consult a lawyer. I may have said a lot of false things based on fragmented information.

Living in Colombia is just plain fun and excitement. When you wake up in the morning, you basicaly don't have a clue how your day is going to flow, and you are almost always hapilly surprised. Way different then the US where you wake up and get on the cruise control for a full day to complete and get to the next one (everything is way too predictable there - which affects your prospects of getting surprised).

Living in Colombia is like getting back to the 70's. People will stop and actually talk to you. You can't go and see someone for 2 minutes, you need to stop and accept their coffee and that is a good thing. Women are beautiful and georgious at the same time. They are not affraid to be feminine and will compete with other women to get to you (doesn't that feel great).

AddictedToWomen
04-08-03, 16:54
antifreeze has it right about the finca raíz. Unless you have a landlord who is used to working in a US/European manner you will have to own property, or have a cofiadoro (cosignator) who does.

I've never heard about putting down 6 months deposit. Maybe that would work, or maybe a secured bank account with the money in it to be paid out monthly?

Be careful.

Antifreeze
04-08-03, 23:00
I am just coming back from another session at la Clinica del amor (Av. 2Norte #23N23), but this time paid for one hour with a lady that I tried before and rocked my world (34000 pesos = $12USD). Once again, the selection of women was great. This place is really the best bet one could take if in town for a couple of days only.

I also found another place near there. The address is Av. 2Norte #24N105. Should you go there, you will see just a normal residence, like most of those places, they do not advertize much, you need to ring and they'll open. There were 4 decent girls but didn't care to taste any of them. The good thing about that area is that there are at least 4 places to go at walking distance. So, if one is bad, get to the next one.

Addresses close to each other in that area:
Av. 2Norte #23N37
Av. 2 Norte #23N23
Av. 2 Norte #24N105

I don't have the address of the 4th one, but it is a bit more east that la Clinica del amor.

Enjoy!

Antifreeze
04-13-03, 18:37
I've been to the place at Av. 2 Norte #24N105 and it ended up pretty good. For an half hour it is 27 000 pesos (a little less than $10USD). I chose a girl named Clara. She is 20 years old and has an ass that you could follow to hell. The room was great. They even put some energy into putting a pseudo-romantic mood in there (better than the other places where it is pretty raw). Clara was delicious although she did not perform anything fancy (not even oral sex). She works at that place for only 3 weeks, so I can understand the lack of diversity or else. Just one negative note, is that the host tried to charge me 30 000 pesos for the half hour. I felt that he was not genuine about the price, so I asked him if he is sure about the price because I heard different (as if I did, but in reality did not). At which point he lowered the price to 27 000 pesos.

Antifreeze
04-13-03, 18:46
A lot of places are closed during holly week. I found one that is opened: Avenida Roosvelt 37-11.

Enjoy!

Kdog
04-24-03, 02:39
Anybody know how the pay-for-sex scene in Cali is during Christmas week? Unfortunately that is the only week I'll be there this year. As Antifreeze pointed out, Easter week was pretty dead. I'm sure hoping Christmas week is better.

Ricker
04-26-03, 05:03
I was in Cali last year right before XMas. It was a blast, lots of fiestas on Avenida Sexta. I remember meeting a lot of chicas visiting from other cities in Colombia for the Cali Festival ... think it's spelled the 'ferria'.
Good time to be there. PFP scene was good too that week.
Easter week is different. It's the 'semana santa' which is more tranquilo.
Buenas Suerte.

Antifreeze
04-26-03, 19:28
one of the reason why 'la semana santa' sucks so much is because their religion prevent them from opening their legs during that week. it's a bit special, but i spoke about that to a couple of ladies and they do follow that rule. that is, during the entire week they do not have sex. so the availability of ladies goes down dramaticaly and the ones that are available is not really that much of an experience. i'd believe that xmas will be different since it is the time of the year where they get wild during la feria.

here's a quick note about ladies in colombia. it is so much of a change from the us that it is just plain incredible that it is on the same planet. the ladies that you will meet in closed houses are extremely decent persons that, most of them, ended there by a series of misfortune of life. i met one which lost her husband in a moto accident (motorcycle is extremely dangerous here) and is left alone to take care of her kid. so she does that because she has to. there are many like that. the bottom line is that for a cali woman to prostitute herself, she needs less of a rupture with herself than for anywhere else i know. that is, sex is good and fun for them, and they do not throw this in the back alley of their mind. so, when times are difficult, they fall back on that. i met a lot of them that are student and do this part time in order to continue studying. treat them with respect since they are respectful person that handle their responsibilities what ever the price. showing them respect will often result in getting some extra on the job.

as for the women that are not in closed houses, it is also impressive. they are almost full time in the business of attracting men. they spend a fortune on clothes. they'll go ahead and get a boob job or fix anything that will end up giving them an advantage to get a man. i know many of my wife's friends that got boob and or nose jobs and are just drop dead georgious. i often walk on the street and cross a georgious woman that will look at me directly in my eyes (in the us she would probably spit her gum under my shoes before looking away really fast). i am so unused to this that i am the one looking away when that happens. silly me! i guess i'll need some time to get used to that. bottom line is that you are not a threat to them here, you are a treat. they will not only give you the time of the day, but will also give you all her time from her day.

personally, i don't want a mistress. but i could easily get one. getting a mistress to me is the worst cheating one could do to her wife. getting a working woman doesn't involve feelings other that pure copulation. but a mistress is more of a complete relationship that i wouldn't allow. at one point, you begin to care more about one than the other, and then you're the only one to suffer. one thing that my wife can't offer me is diversity. she can't change ass or boob every week. with prositutes, i get that. with a mistress, i am left with the same void...

so. there is a bit of everything for everyone in here. living in cali is a blast. cost of living is low, infrastructure is great (high speed internet, reliable electricity and more), and life is just more complete than in the boring states of america.

Zippy
04-26-03, 20:42
EXCELLENT post, Antifreeze! I've been to Cali several times and dated a chica there for a time. I agree with everything you say. Calinas are quite special and I'd also have to mention that the chicas of Medellin are wonderful as well. The P4P scene is better in Cali, though IMHO....

PanamaJack
04-29-03, 09:45
Great post Antifreeze! I've gotten the opportunity to travel to Cali several times once for a period of 3 month last year, I had a girlfriend that I met in Panama, she was from Cali blew me away until I set foot in Cali and saw so many females that looked as good or even better than my girl and like my girl friendly and approchable. I enjoyed Cali so much, I didn't want to leave when it came time for me to go back to the states. Almost got married in Cali but I was fucking around so much behind my girlfriend back that at one point she found out that I had fucked her cousin, its increadible all of her female cousins are so fucking beautiful and all of them treated me like a GOD, I often wonder if I could live in Cali. When I was in Cali I rented a aparthotel in a great neighborhood, it was right across the street from the casino of the intercontinental hotel, the name of the place was Rayda nice apartments it cost me 275 a month great service anything I wanted they would get, female friendly, cleaned my room every day even did my laundry, matter of fact the owner offer to sell me an apartment, about two blocks from Escocia a bar full of pros. a great place to pick up females. I truly miss Cali, I'm in the planning stage of relocating to Panama. I might consider buying a apartment in Cali since I'm going to be so close, good luck Antifreeze.

Antifreeze
05-05-03, 16:48
We had a party on Saturday with my wife's extended family. First, let me know that Colombians know how to party (at least they know how to start it, but need to be reminded by foreigners like me how to end the thing at 4 AM).

There was some of her cousins in there. Got in their inner circle when they were talking among themselves. Georgious babes! One of them was talking about the fact that she consulted a psychic in order to get advice on how to get a man (not even an husband, just a man). And she looks fabulous. I know her and know that she is quality material. Another one, she's a bomb, looks terrific, has boobs that make you go at the plastic surgeon and ask to get a hand operation to get bigger hands to handle those boobs. She states that it's been almost one year without a boyfriend or nothing. She doesn't like to go out so doesn't meet many people. And, she's a doctor with a real job! What a frickin catch. My sister in law (twin sister of my wife) is saving money for a boob job. Once again, quite a catch. Problem with those type of people, which I believe are the real people one wants to meet in Cali, is that they rarely go outside of the family. It's pretty difficult for foreigners to get to know them since they'll never have any context where to meet them. There is one thing that they had in commun, they were all talking that they were going at an agency the following week. So, agencies I guess are a good magnet for nice candidates. Here's a note on that though. Should you meet someone special there, you'll be forced to rush yourself into marriage if you want something out of it. Knowing that you're a foreigner, you'll probably won't have sex before marriage (or really little of it), and for the purpose of paperwork, you'll need to provide your girl a status to bring her back to whereever.

Other than that, I still enjoy the scene down here. I had a terrific 20 years old this weekend. God she was good. And we just stayed in bed and chated for almost an hour. It's funny that even prostitutes seem never to have been fucked once in their lives. That is, I take my time, and I let them enjoy themselves as much as I do. But then, they look at you as if it was the first time that they were ever fucked well in their life. They don't want you to go and ask for more. That one I had this weekend after I got done once, asked me to stay, and jumped on me after another half hour. She then told me that it has been a long time for her... I don't know where Colombians guys are or what they are doing, but WOW, Cali is quite an experience. Today, I'll go and see a nude billiard. It's a billiard where women are all nude. May or may not be good (women could be horrible). I will try to post results. There is another place like that up north that is just a bar though. Female are all nude and you can sip a beer. Welcome to planet Cali...

Surfer
05-05-03, 18:43
Hey antifreeeze, I want to meet the Doctor (tell her I am a lawyer in California who LOVES big boobed Latinas!). Seriously, thinking of going to Cali in two weeks but do NOT want to join a marriage agency. I can email her my picture and a description if you'll be so kind as to email me her email address. My Spanish is pretty decent so language is no barrier.

Also, if you need anything brought down to you from the US let me know. Please email me at XTNSurfer@hotmail.com. Hope to hear from you. (Check Brasil & Indonesia folders for my prior reports on WSG if interested in verifying that I am a contributor, not a taker).

Aussie Greg
05-07-03, 13:56
Gidday antifreeze,

Great post Freeze, I hope it is true.

I'm coming to South America the end of June and was just going to Rio, SP and BA in Arg but now after your post I'm coming to Cali.

In 1995 I met this girl in Hong Kong and we hit it of and she said she came from Cali and the most beautifull girls come from Cali in all South America, I beleived her then and after your post it just confirms it.

Alot of water has pasted under the bridge with me since 1995 with me mate.

I'm not into the all night, every night with a different girl thing, been there and done that, I just want to settle down and start a breeding program ( yes I'm a farmer !! )

Mate if you can help me, I'm looking for a girl;

18 to 25 years of age,
5'8'' and taller,
Very slim with very long hair,
Drop dead gorgeous who dresses to kill !!.
Education, Doctor, Nurse, Veterinaryian, Accountant ect.
Olive complection with lighter skin.
Some english but not important.

Freeze, what do you think mate ?. Am I asking for to much ?
Any help would be great if you can.

All the best, regards

Aussie Greg.


Originally posted by antifreeze
We had a party on Saturday with my wife's extended family. First, let me know that Colombians know how to party (at least they know how to start it, but need to be reminded by foreigners like me how to end the thing at 4 AM).

There was some of her cousins in there. Got in their inner circle when they were talking among themselves. Georgious babes! One of them was talking about the fact that she consulted a psychic in order to get advice on how to get a man (not even an husband, just a man). And she looks fabulous. I know her and know that she is quality material. Another one, she's a bomb, looks terrific, has boobs that make you go at the plastic surgeon and ask to get a hand operation to get bigger hands to handle those boobs. She states that it's been almost one year without a boyfriend or nothing. She doesn't like to go out so doesn't meet many people. And, she's a doctor with a real job! What a frickin catch. My sister in law (twin sister of my wife) is saving money for a boob job. Once again, quite a catch. Problem with those type of people, which I believe are the real people one wants to meet in Cali, is that they rarely go outside of the family. It's pretty difficult for foreigners to get to know them since they'll never have any context where to meet them. There is one thing that they had in commun, they were all talking that they were going at an agency the following week. So, agencies I guess are a good magnet for nice candidates. Here's a note on that though. Should you meet someone special there, you'll be forced to rush yourself into marriage if you want something out of it. Knowing that you're a foreigner, you'll probably won't have sex before marriage (or really little of it), and for the purpose of paperwork, you'll need to provide your girl a status to bring her back to whereever.

Other than that, I still enjoy the scene down here. I had a terrific 20 years old this weekend. God she was good. And we just stayed in bed and chated for almost an hour. It's funny that even prostitutes seem never to have been fucked once in their lives. That is, I take my time, and I let them enjoy themselves as much as I do. But then, they look at you as if it was the first time that they were ever fucked well in their life. They don't want you to go and ask for more. That one I had this weekend after I got done once, asked me to stay, and jumped on me after another half hour. She then told me that it has been a long time for her... I don't know where Colombians guys are or what they are doing, but WOW, Cali is quite an experience. Today, I'll go and see a nude billiard. It's a billiard where women are all nude. May or may not be good (women could be horrible). I will try to post results. There is another place like that up north that is just a bar though. Female are all nude and you can sip a beer. Welcome to planet Cali...

Antifreeze
05-08-03, 00:30
Gidday Aussie,

I hope that is all true: well it is... You are welcome to read everyone else's reports, Cali is a special place for inner and outher beauty.

Are you asking for too much with the de4scription that you posted: not at all! One of the things that surprised me the most out of Cali is that there is something for everyone. It is not like Brazil where it seems pretty difficult to get a serious wife down there (could be wrong, haven't been there myself but heard many reports from close friends).

In Cali, if you want a one night stand, you'll get it in a heartbeat. But really the Calena is looking for a serious guy to settle down. Even the prostitutes that I use from time to time they're all for settling down and I am of those who believe that they are not worst human beings because of their profession.

Shall you find a georgious woman in Cali, there is a good chance that you won't have to be affraid about her sleeping around all your life. I married one of those beauties too that one thinks is too good for yourself. She ended up an exceptional wife and even better mother. Sleeping around is something I do (with working women only - no girlfriends allowed) to keep my lower brain busy and is not in response to any void with my wife.

So go ahead and come down here. You should be hapilly surprised. There are some girls that you want to stay away from though. I think the following criterias are important:

1) The girsl that wants to get out of Colombia, whatever the price (and with whoever). She'll use you and throw you away when you'll have met your purpose. I've seen more relations fail with those kind of girls than any else.
2) Too much age difference and situation difference. Don't forget that if a girl is 30 down here, she probably still live with her mom and dad. They have a lot to learn when they hit the real life. Depending if you want to care for her or a team mate that actually supports you, you may want to look at that criteria.
3) English: all women will say that they speak English. But it's bullshit, they really don't. If you have the language barrier and the culture barrier, that accumulates. If you can at least drop the language barrier from there, then you're working towards a better chance of getting things right.

Bottom line, I think, is that if you find a girl that you feel good with and that cries because she doesn't want to leave Colombia and just does it because she likes you, then you hit the jack pot. Take a year to enjoy her and make sure there's no hidden defects and then start producing kids to do us all a favor.

Aussie Greg
05-08-03, 01:10
Good morning Antifreeze,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I will digest what you write and get back to you in a few days but I think your right, take a year.

All the best, take it easy !!

Regards,

Aussie.


Originally posted by antifreeze
Gidday Aussie,

I hope that is all true: well it is... You are welcome to read everyone else's reports, Cali is a special place for inner and outher beauty.

Are you asking for too much with the de4scription that you posted: not at all! One of the things that surprised me the most out of Cali is that there is something for everyone. It is not like Brazil where it seems pretty difficult to get a serious wife down there (could be wrong, haven't been there myself but heard many reports from close friends).

In Cali, if you want a one night stand, you'll get it in a heartbeat. But really the Calena is looking for a serious guy to settle down. Even the prostitutes that I use from time to time they're all for settling down and I am of those who believe that they are not worst human beings because of their profession.

Shall you find a georgious woman in Cali, there is a good chance that you won't have to be affraid about her sleeping around all your life. I married one of those beauties too that one thinks is too good for yourself. She ended up an exceptional wife and even better mother. Sleeping around is something I do (with working women only - no girlfriends allowed) to keep my lower brain busy and is not in response to any void with my wife.

So go ahead and come down here. You should be hapilly surprised. There are some girls that you want to stay away from though. I think the following criterias are important:

1) The girsl that wants to get out of Colombia, whatever the price (and with whoever). She'll use you and throw you away when you'll have met your purpose. I've seen more relations fail with those kind of girls than any else.
2) Too much age difference and situation difference. Don't forget that if a girl is 30 down here, she probably still live with her mom and dad. They have a lot to learn when they hit the real life. Depending if you want to care for her or a team mate that actually supports you, you may want to look at that criteria.
3) English: all women will say that they speak English. But it's bullshit, they really don't. If you have the language barrier and the culture barrier, that accumulates. If you can at least drop the language barrier from there, then you're working towards a better chance of getting things right.

Bottom line, I think, is that if you find a girl that you feel good with and that cries because she doesn't want to leave Colombia and just does it because she likes you, then you hit the jack pot. Take a year to enjoy her and make sure there's no hidden defects and then start producing kids to do us all a favor.

Antifreeze
05-09-03, 05:55
Still discovering underground Cali. I tried to get away from closed houses and give a try to other more bars type places. The result is so-so.

First, I've been at a nudist billard (women are nude, you keep your clothes). Women are good looking and playing pool with a nude woman is a pretty special experience. There is a cover charge of 3000 pesos ($1USD). The address is Carrera 28 #6-37. It is pretty close Roosevelt blvd in the south of Cali. Bottom line is that it is a special experience, but your left to jerk off when you've accumulated enough sexual pressure. Since I personaly do not like to see a nude woman that I can't touch, I will stay away from there. I did ask if one could go to a room, but never got a straight answer. So, I just left, most probably forever.

Later in the week, I've been to a place called Cristal Club (Calle 13 #72-25). This place is full of georgious women. There are times in your life when you meet a woman that is just too good to be true. There was one of those there. She had an ass that one could follow to Hell and boobs that just were the incarnation of perfection. I had to get to a room with her, and we did. What a fuckin crappy attitude she had. First, no conversation what so ever. Then, once in the room, showers (that's actually OK) and then goes ahead and puts 2 condom on my dick (not even erected). Turnas around and starts doing it. At one point I asked her to turn around and she said no, she prefers it that way. I wanted the view if I didn't had the experience. She was the hell of a ***** like I have not seen many times in my life. I didn't do what I came there to do and just left her with her attitude. The south seems to have more beautiful women because of the presence of Universities. They are hard working women paying for their studies. Up north, the only things there are are closed houses, so it's pretty difficult to find new ones unless they advertise in the local newspaper (a lot of them are advertised - but many more are not).

PanamaJack
05-09-03, 06:35
Hey Antifreeze,


Can I ask you a question? What part of Cali do you stay in, How is the situation in the city as we speak. I'm definetly going to Cali this summer but I'm going to be on my own. I have some friends in Cali but I met them throught my exgirlfriend and I really don't even want her to know in going to be their. Also know some caleñas but I want something new, I might try a marriage agency. Any recommendations?

Also have you been to FLORESFRESCAS, is it still expensive? the last time I went there cover was 96.000 colombian pesos but if I'm not mistaken the most beatiful working girl in Cali. Hey also Juanchito have you gotten a chance to go? its a bit rundown but on weekend full of females pros. and semipros.

One thing that [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off about Cali is that there is alot of counterfit colombian pesos circulating, be careful don't exchange large bills with taxi driver they got me that way [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. The colombians can tell right away if is counterfit but my stupid ass couln't tell the difference, oh well you win some you lose some just be careful. Cali to me is still that unforbitten fruit, deadly but oh so intoxicating, happy hunting guys..............

Antifreeze
05-09-03, 07:25
I am from the North. The North and the south are almost 2 different cities for those who do not know. North is relatively residential and has la Avenida Sexta that is the nightlife magnet of Cali. I don't know much the south. It is like an untouched jewel that I discover little by little.

Flores frescas is for turists. Do not waist too much of your money there. Cover charge is extremely high and women quality is not better than other places. That is my point of view of course and some disagree.

Stay away from Juanchito, that place is just full of bandits. As a matter of fact, the first week I came to Cali, we went there with my wife and sister in law. And some bandit stole our car... Needless to say that they won't see me again there.

I am sure that you know panamajack not to pay for an agency from outside Cali. Wait to come here and meet the owner and ask for a 1-2 week price instead of a lifetime membership that will cost you an arm and not have a duration from even a fly's lifetime...

Enjoy Cali!

Aussie Greg
05-13-03, 12:19
Gidday Antifreeze,

I'll try to be in Cali around the 20th June.

I havn't booked any hotel yet and probley wont untill I arrive in the city, the Lonley Planet travel book that I'm reading recommends a few places.

I think what I'll do is just walk the streets at first, a bit of shopping, visit a few night spots ect

I think also I'll try a get a english speaking guide for a few days to show me around and introduce me to a few people.

What do you think antifreeze, do you think this is the way to go !!

Regards,

Aussie.

QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
I am from the North. The North and the south are almost 2 different cities for those who do not know. North is relatively residential and has la Avenida Sexta that is the nightlife magnet of Cali. I don't know much the south. It is like an untouched jewel that I discover little by little.

Flores frescas is for turists. Do not waist too much of your money there. Cover charge is extremely high and women quality is not better than other places. That is my point of view of course and some disagree.

Stay away from Juanchito, that place is just full of bandits. As a matter of fact, the first week I came to Cali, we went there with my wife and sister in law. And some bandit stole our car... Needless to say that they won't see me again there.

I am sure that you know panamajack not to pay for an agency from outside Cali. Wait to come here and meet the owner and ask for a 1-2 week price instead of a lifetime membership that will cost you an arm and not have a duration from even a fly's lifetime...

Enjoy Cali! [/QUOTE]

Antifreeze
05-13-03, 16:48
Gidday Aussie,

I believe that you should at least book your first night at an hotel. Most flights arrive pretty late and you are just so tired when you come in that you don't feel to shop for an hotel. That is at least my personal preference.

A lot of Americans go at the intercontinental. I personaly do not like that hotel. It's a lot like the US abroad... I'd prefer hotel Dam... It is even more luxourious than the intercontinental, about the same price, but has many colombian touch added to it...

As for getting an english translator. Watch out, you may have some people praying on you... Let me see if I can find something secure...

Aussie Greg
05-14-03, 01:58
Hola !, que tal !! Antifreeze,

Thanks very much for your info, am looking forward to having a beer with you and maybe a game of pool !! ( billards )

Yes if the flights come in late at night then thats the way to go, I'm going in to book my flight after I right this letter to you, so I'll no more in that regard.

I'll only be looking for a cheep place to stay untill I get my bearings.

It would be great if you could enquire about an english guide for me, muchas gracias mate.

Will right to let you no about my flights, hasta luego

Aussiegreg.

QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
Gidday Aussie,

I believe that you should at least book your first night at an hotel. Most flights arrive pretty late and you are just so tired when you come in that you don't feel to shop for an hotel. That is at least my personal preference.

A lot of Americans go at the intercontinental. I personaly do not like that hotel. It's a lot like the US abroad... I'd prefer hotel Dam... It is even more luxourious than the intercontinental, about the same price, but has many colombian touch added to it...

As for getting an english translator. Watch out, you may have some people praying on you... Let me see if I can find something secure... [/QUOTE]

PanamaJack
05-14-03, 08:25
Hello aussie,


I totally agree with Antifreeze book a hotel before you set foot in cali at least for one night, believe me you don't want to be walking around Cali at night with your luggage, you become a target right away.

I've stayed at the intercontinental a few times nice hotel but over priced, if thats your cup of tea its a fine hotel. Also stayed at the Windsor plaza wonderful hotel very good service, a bit cheaper than the inter but a alot more intimate, only negative is that its in the north, not alot to do at night becomes desolate. Really it depends on what you want, how long are you going to be in Cali, how much do you want to spend.

About translator, most nice hotels provide translator at a substantially higher rate than a individual translator but at least you know your not going to be jerk around. I wish, I was in Cali for that time, a have a good friend thats a english professor real nice guy and at that time there on summer vacations so his got the time to earn a little money. Good luck Aussie and don't fall in love with the first beatiful girl that smiles at you, take your sweet time and enjoy.........oh also please take the time to go to Chipichape mall on the weekend you will never forget it, God I know I dind't.

Aussie Greg
05-14-03, 11:17
Gidday Panamajack,

Thanks for the advice.

I think I'll be in Cali awhile by all the good reports that I read here.

I've got plenty of time, about 2 months this trip and also I can come back. I must return to Aussie for a couple of months to finish a few things and then I can go back to Cali if things turn out O.K.

I also would like to see Rio and S.P. in Brazil and B.A. in Argentina but only just a quick look.

I want to spend most of my time in Cali, improve my spanish, which is only a few words, enjoy there food but most of all find Miss Universe to care for my every need in life !!, just take it a day at a time. Maybe go to the coast.

Yes Panamar, I'm looking for a traslator and tour guide but I think Antifreeze maybe has someone for me, I'll check with him first.

Yes I will check out Chipichape Mall.

Accomidation, midrange to cheep hotel or find a Colomian family to live with. I think that would be the way to learn spanish, enjoy the food, culture ect. Any suggestions Panamar !

Muchas gracias Senor Panamajack. por favor if you have any other hints and time to write to me please do, I need all the advice I can get mate.

Regards,
aussie greg


Originally posted by panamajack
Hello aussie,

I totally agree with Antifreeze book a hotel before you set foot in cali at least for one night, believe me you don't want to be walking around Cali at night with your luggage, you become a target right away.

I've stayed at the intercontinental a few times nice hotel but over priced, if thats your cup of tea its a fine hotel. Also stayed at the Windsor plaza wonderful hotel very good service, a bit cheaper than the inter but a alot more intimate, only negative is that its in the north, not alot to do at night becomes desolate. Really it depends on what you want, how long are you going to be in Cali, how much do you want to spend.

About translator, most nice hotels provide translator at a substantially higher rate than a individual translator but at least you know your not going to be jerk around. I wish, I was in Cali for that time, a have a good friend thats a english professor real nice guy and at that time there on summer vacations so his got the time to earn a little money. Good luck Aussie and don't fall in love with the first beatiful girl that smiles at you, take your sweet time and enjoy.........oh also please take the time to go to Chipichape mall on the weekend you will never forget it, God I know I dind't.

Man
05-18-03, 06:52
Hi Antifreeze

I am coming to visit Cali for about 4 days.
Would you recommend this place. It looks decent, homey, and inexpensive. How is the location?

http://www.partres.com/hostalclo/

PanamaJack
05-18-03, 08:09
Hello guys,



Guys a nice place to stay at, in Cali is this aparthotel called RAYDA, very nice place, I paid $150.00 usd. for two weeks, I've also stay there for 3 month straight. The great thing about this place is location, right across the street from the Intercontinental & the Dann. The very best and safest neighbourhood in Cali even at night. The rooms are all suites apartments, very nice rooms, they have housekeeping every day no problems whatsoever. I hope this helps a little, good luck.

StudPlayer
05-18-03, 09:05
here is a link to hotels/accomodations in cali and included you will find information on the RAYDA that panama jack mentions below

http://www.partres.com/hotel/cal.html

Antifreeze
05-19-03, 03:17
I've been to Cali so many times as a turist, and my best choice as for hotel stays Hotel Casa del Alférez (Avenida 9N 9-24 Juanambú, phone 661 8111).

They have a resonable price, have a Colombian touch to their room, and are even cheaper during the weekends. If you feel like something romantic, book one of their 3 suites (2 rooms with a Jacuzi). It will be lower than $100USD per night during the weekend.

Man
05-19-03, 06:07
Thanks Guys.
I appreciate the hotel tips.

Rayda sound good, but they do not seem to have a web site. I will call them and book a week. Is it $75 a week?

Aussie Greg
05-19-03, 10:37
Hola Panamajack,

Yes I think Aparthotel Rayda is the way to go for me to Panama, do you have a address to contact them mate or a telephone number por favor.

Another question, do you think $25 US is a average price for a guide ? or am I paying to much.

Do you have the telephone number of your teacher friend in Cali !!

All the best, adios.

Aussie Greg.

QUOTE]Originally posted by panamajack
Hello guys,

Guys a nice place to stay at, in Cali is this aparthotel called RAYDA, very nice place, I paid $150.00 usd. for two weeks, I've also stay there for 3 month straight. The great thing about this place is location, right across the street from the Intercontinental & the Dann. The very best and safest neighbourhood in Cali even at night. The rooms are all suites apartments, very nice rooms, they have housekeeping every day no problems whatsoever. I hope this helps a little, good luck. [/QUOTE]

Man
05-20-03, 01:59
so what would you recommend I do in Cali besides the abvious?
I have 4 days.
What should I not do?

PanamaJack
05-20-03, 09:03
BUENAS Guys,



Alright this is the telephone number I got from a page online, APARTAHOTEL RAYDA tel. (572)892-4202 from the U.S. dial 011. also (572)892-4204.

Antifreeze I got a question for you, have you ever being to ESCOCIA bar? is near the DANN, I used to walk to that bar often late at night, once I brought 3 girls up to my apartahotel for a all nighter, great pussy some of the best I've ever had. If I recall the name of the 3 girls where yesenia maria, paola, and yolanda. I got the tel. number of yesenia maria but since I haven't been to Cali since about 1 year I don't know if she is still working.

Assuie about my friend I'm going to attempt to contact him before hand to see if he would be interested in translating for you. If so I'll email you his tel. number alright.

About the girls that I met in ESCOCIA, I used to see them saturday morning exercising at las tres cruces, I really coulnd't speak to them because I use to be with my girlfriend but it was fun seen this beauties in their tight exercise outfit walking up the hill made me sick, walking up that hill with a hard on, Only in Cali baby.......

Aussie Greg
05-20-03, 10:20
Gracias Pamama in advance. ( in aussie, thanks mate !! )

Aussie Greg
05-20-03, 10:29
Gidday guy's.

I carnt speak Spanish.
I carnt dance Salsa. (football injures)
I dont give a fuck about their government and country problems.

But I'm giong to Cali to find me Miss Universe, maybe a few of them!

I can't wait to the middle of June.

Aussie.

Man
05-21-03, 01:34
What is the weekly or daily rate at APARTAHOTEL RAYDA tel. I called them, and the guy told me it was $75 a day. Must be my bad Spanish. Anyone knows the weekly rate?

Hey PanamaJack, do you live in panama?

Antifreeze
05-21-03, 03:15
panamajack,

I've never been to ESCOCIA. It sure seems interesting and I'll make sure to pay them a visit.

Aussie Greg,

I was not able to find any trusworthy translator for you. Sorry, you'll have to look through other channels. I'd say that when you'll arrive in Cali, just come north. There are plenty of English teaching companies. Have them propose someone to you. I'd stay away from the newspaper for that since some distorted colombian may want to prey on you...

PanamaJack
05-21-03, 08:00
Hello guys,


My MAN I think that there trying to stick you with what I like to call gringo pricing. This is what you do in this cases tell them when you call, that you have a good friend that recommended this place and that your friend paid $300,000 colombian pesos for a two week stay. tell them to quote you in colombian peso. If I'm not mistaken $300,000 colombian pesos equals to about $145.00 U.S. Dollars. They are really trying to bull shit you, typical colombian business practice. Move on if they don't cut that price by half per day.

About if I live in panama? I'm in the process of moving to Panama this summer, I'm in the states know. I travel to Panama often, I just bought an apartment in Panama city, looking foward to living in the tropics once again, been about 45min by flight from cali. I'm as much a panamanian as an american.

Also Aussie, are you going to try the marriage agencies? do you have any info. on a good agency in Cali?. If I'm not mistaken TLC worldwide is having there tour june 26 at the intercontinental. Has anybody attended this tour? sounds pretty nice, they send me there promotional video shot mostly in cali wow.......

Slick1
05-21-03, 21:20
Just booked a last minute trip to Cali for this memorial day weekend. Have not yet picked a place to stay but I would appreciate any recommendations on hotels in the safest part of town. If anyone will be in town and would like to get together, let me know. While I have been to Buenos Aires 3 times this year I don't know much about Colombia other than the rampant tourist warnings, but I'm willing to see for myself. While I have gone back and read the previous posts, any additional tips would be welcome. Thanks

Aussie Greg
05-21-03, 23:11
Hola Panamajack,

No I didn't know that TLC was having their tour in Cali, I arrive in Cali on the night of the 26th but I might bring it forward a few days or a week because I've finished all my imporntant work now on the farm, the sooner the better for me to start traveling.

I do have a guy in Cali to look after me now and he is lining every thing for me, he is organising me a room in a house with a group of University girls !!!! Ive talked to him on the phone a few times. I got his name and telephone number from another Americain guy that used his servise and raved about it so I'm giving him a go. I teach the girls english and they teach me spanish and supply me food and accomidation, and a few other things !!!, they look after me, they are all studying to be Dentists and one that I'm really interested in has done modeling, is tall, slim, long back hair, shit I better stop, Ive got another month to wait !!!!

Gracias Panamar, adios

Aussie.


QUOTE]Originally posted by panamajack
Hello guys,


My MAN I think that there trying to stick you with what I like to call gringo pricing. This is what you do in this cases tell them when you call, that you have a good friend that recommended this place and that your friend paid $300,000 colombian pesos for a two week stay. tell them to quote you in colombian peso. If I'm not mistaken $300,000 colombian pesos equals to about $145.00 U.S. Dollars. They are really trying to bull shit you, typical colombian business practice. Move on if they don't cut that price by half per day.

About if I live in panama? I'm in the process of moving to Panama this summer, I'm in the states know. I travel to Panama often, I just bought an apartment in Panama city, looking foward to living in the tropics once again, been about 45min by flight from cali. I'm as much a panamanian as an american.

Also Aussie, are you going to try the marriage agencies? do you have any info. on a good agency in Cali?. If I'm not mistaken TLC worldwide is having there tour june 26 at the intercontinental. Has anybody attended this tour? sounds pretty nice, they send me there promotional video shot mostly in cali wow....... [/QUOTE]

Man
05-22-03, 02:04
Hey PanamJack.
It would be intersting to hear your story.

I also moved from the US, and have been living in Panama City for the past 2 years.

I am slowly learning Spanish, and do understand the condept of Gringo prices. They do the same here in Panama.

Send me a note when you get in town, and perhaps we could get together.

Aussie Greg
05-23-03, 04:22
Hi Antifreeze,

I have been quoted 70,000 per day to board at a Colombian family home in the east of Cali city, they feed me and generaly look after me. They also have a son and daugther who will show me around. I think it is the best way to learn spanish is just to be put in a situation where you must, they have many friends who know friends and they know I'm looking for a girlfriend with view to marriage if all goes well. I think I will go with this for a week or so and just takle it as it comes, I can change it if it doesnt work out.

What do you think Freeze, is this price to much or should I do it all my self !!, waiting for your advise and comments, regards

Aussie Greg.


Originally posted by antifreeze
panamajack,

I've never been to ESCOCIA. It sure seems interesting and I'll make sure to pay them a visit.

Aussie Greg,

I was not able to find any trusworthy translator for you. Sorry, you'll have to look through other channels. I'd say that when you'll arrive in Cali, just come north. There are plenty of English teaching companies. Have them propose someone to you. I'd stay away from the newspaper for that since some distorted colombian may want to prey on you...

Aussie Greg
05-23-03, 22:36
Gidday Panamajack and Antifreeze,

Change of plans, I'm boarding with a Colombian family now. Still meeting the Dentist girls.
Yes, I've been lined up with a young "garota", 20 years old, 1.76 cm, yes tall for Colomabian girls so I have been told, learning to be a Dentist, ex model, from good family ect !!.

I've got a man in Cali called Ramon, met him by looking at CH board from a guy called Batman's post. Ramon is doing all the running around for me, he'll be at the airport to pick me up on the 13 June, yes the 13th, I've changed it from the 26th June. After what Ramon told me about the little sweetie that he has for me I went and changed my flight details.

Ramon seems not a bad guy on the phone and speaks very good english, I'm his first "aussie" that he looking after and all he wants from Australia is a Aussie football jumper !! plus cash for his servise of course !!!

O.K., thats all for now, if there are any changes I'll let you guy's know. This trip will be interesting !!

Regards, gracias, adios.

Aussie Greg.

PanamaJack
05-24-03, 08:32
HELLO GUYS,

MAN, a little about me; U.S. military dad, panamanian mom, I move to the U.S. when I was 14, finally return for a visit after I finish college, loved it, so many beautiful girls, different atitude than american girls. So I traveled to panama often, met some of the most beautiful girls that I've ever seen in my life most of them colombian pros. and non pros. Last year help my uncle when he retired move back to panama from the states, this man now is having the time off his life, He told once he fucks more beautiful girls in a month in panama than I do in a hole fucking year living in the states!! lucky fucking bastar.

So know after alot of hard work I'm able to make the move this summer, I would love to get in touch have some drinks, I speak spanish like native, know the culture and the custom I think I'm going to enjoy panama. Hopefully I can travel to cali and other places often from panama city.

Aussie, yes TLC is having a tour for that time in cali, I'm glad you found some help sounds great. What part of town is the house in? I think thats a great idea having somebody to take care of you that also knows the city, nice going Aussie. I hope you enjoy Cali as much as I did, Cali will always be in my agenda good luck guys....

Cowboy1
05-24-03, 15:40
Panamajack and Man. I have been going to Panama City once a month for awhile. It is my favorite place to monger. I like both the Colombian pros and the Panamanian semis. Every trip I come back barely able to walk. I will be in Panama City on June 4-7. Let's meet up spmewhere for some cervesas! My e-mail is DouglSchan@aol.com.

Ricker
05-24-03, 17:16
for Aussie Greg,

Sorry to butt into your conversation here but it seems to me you've got a good deal ... staying with a family in Cali. I did that when I first came to Colombia too.

I have visited Cali many more times since and now live about half the month in Medellin and half in Miami for work.

Being with a family and getting to know them and their friends is invaluable ... especially if you don't speak much spanish. You will meet and make a lot of friends, girls and guys a lot faster this way.

Colombians are very friendly people and generally love "gringos" especially if you're a friendly person too. Once word gets out that you are staying at this family's house, everyone will want to meet you. That was my experience.
I'm just a normal "gringo" and I had girls quarreling over me. Great experience.

My guess is that you will love your time in Cali and meeting all these Colombianas and a weeks time won't be enough. Make sure this family introduces you to Ave Sexta on the weekend and Chippichappe mall.

The only drawback staying with this family is if you want to bring a pro or other girl home for fun, could be tough ... but you can always visit one of the many "casas" for in-house service if needed.

Also, for future, Medellin is fantastic too. Check out my report on Medellin ... I personally like it better than Cali (to live in) ... but Cali is GREAT.

Have fun!! Start learning Spanish ... opens a lot of doors and it doesn't have to be perfect or even close to it.

Ricker
05-24-03, 17:24
For Aussie Greg again,

70,000 pesos is a lot of money for most Colombians per day ... you could definitely get a hotel room and go at it solo if you wanted but if i were you ... as i put in my last report, i'd do the family thing first. You will meet and make so many more friends faster .... you can stay at a hotel and go solo next time.
For about $25 dollars US a day, they will appreciate the money and you will have a great, inexpensive introduction service ... way better than the professional marriage agencies which are expensive and unnecessary if you do what you're doing.

Antifreeze
05-24-03, 21:33
I unconditionally agree with Ricker's last 2 posts regarding your potential stay in a family Aussie Greg. 70000 pesos per day is a lot of money, do not feel shy to negociate. On the other hand, it's the way to visit Cali. You'll have a good time. Even more on the weekends when one or many of those will pick a guitar and Aguardienten will start to flow. There's no price for those unprogramed events...

Enjoy, you seems to be in control in order to get a great trip.

Aussie Greg
05-25-03, 00:29
Hi Guys,

Muchas gracias Anitfreeze and Richer,

I didnt know if I was doing the right thing with the family, since I have not been to Cali, Colombia or South America. I was only doing the best I could, I'm glad for both of your imput and are looking forward very much to meeting Colombian people !! ( the good ones !! ) and reporting back to WSG.

I have just e-mailed back to my agent and asked for a discount on the 70,000 pesos even before I read your responce Freeze this morning, I'll see what they say. I have been going on the prices on the board here on Hotels.

Richer, yes if I find need to find a hotel for a quicky then the short time places are the way to go.

O.K. guy's, thanks alot. Arrive in Cali the 13 June 2003, its a bloody long way from the West Coast of Australia, 3,5 hours to Sydney, 14 hours to L.A. then 4.5 hours to Miami then 4,5 hours to Cali with out all the waiting in between the flights. I'm not looking forward to the flight's only whats at the end of them !!!!

Regards Aussie Greg.


Originally posted by antifreeze
I unconditionally agree with Ricker's last 2 posts regarding your potential stay in a family Aussie Greg. 70000 pesos per day is a lot of money, do not feel shy to negociate. On the other hand, it's the way to visit Cali. You'll have a good time. Even more on the weekends when one or many of those will pick a guitar and Aguardienten will start to flow. There's no price for those unprogramed events...

Enjoy, you seems to be in control in order to get a great trip.

Zippy
05-27-03, 00:01
Aussie Greg,

I know Ramon and I can tell you that he is an upstanding guy. Batman got his name from my initial Cali report which I filed a couple of years ago on TSM, WSA, and other websites.

Tell Ramon his amigo from Chicago says hi!

Aussie Greg
05-27-03, 02:36
Gidday Zippy,

Thanks very much about the news on Ramon, when your traveling half way round the world to a hot spot and relying on people you have not met before its good to know other peoples view's, muchas gracias.

The next time on the telephone talking to him I will say your name, and you say hi to him.

Ramon already has the girls lined up for me.

Thanks again Zippy. regards

Aussie Greg.


Originally posted by Zippy
Aussie Greg,

I know Ramon and I can tell you that he is an upstanding guy. Batman got his name from my initial Cali report which I filed a couple of years ago on TSM, WSA, and other websites.

Tell Ramon his amigo from Chicago says hi!

Man
05-27-03, 03:51
Ok guys, I am just finishing my trip in Cali.
I have been here for 4 days, but I think I got the jist of it.

I have to say, I was disspointed. Being from Panama, I can tell you that Cali while a much bigger city did not impress me.

Although nothing happened to me, you get the obvious sense that everybody is on guard.

When it comes to the quality of the in house places, it was a frightening experience. Dirty and cheap sums it up real good.

After one bad experience, I lost all desire to go on. I took a look at other places, but they are all the same. If I wanted to have sex with the employda, than I may try it. Most girls that I saw were 5-6.

You should come to Panama City and visit Golden Time. Not only does the place offer gorgeous Colombian babes, but at least it is clean and dignified.

Calli is an interesting and one might say a beautiful city, but to say that Cali has the most beautiful girls around is simply not the case.

I think you see many more babes in the US, than you see in Cali. Most girls look alike, and the Latin look gets boring after awhile.

Anyhow, I feel I have learned my lesson. The next time I read reviews, I may want to ask who wrote them. I would much rather pay $100 and have great sex, than pay $20, and throw up later.

Sorry, but I had to vent.

PanamaJack
05-27-03, 07:59
HELLO MAN,

Hey where exactly did you go while in Cali? did you know anything about the city other than what you saw on this page. Cali is not a traditional vacation destination. Its been about a year since I've been to Cali but men as I remenber, Cali was the shit when it came to beautiful girls. I'm from panama and I know about all the colombian girls working in panama, panama its great no dout about it, but in my opinion colombia has much more girls than in panama. I guess maybe if you new someone in cali that could have shown you around it would have been much better. I think most girls in cali don't party like in panama, most get together with friends and have house party, they go to places you would never go. Thats what I notice while in cali with my girlfriend, her female cousins very rearly went out because there was no money or it was unsafe. Oh well sorry about your trip MAN

Oh MAN how much did you pay for your flight from panama to cali?

Zippy
05-27-03, 22:53
I think Man needs to get his eyes checked.

First of all, I know for a fact that most of the Colombianas who end up in the brothels of Panama and Costa Rica are the hard-core type who "graduate" to these countries usually after working for years in the brothels of Cali, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Medellin, etc. So to say that the Colombianas in Panama are better is crazy since you are dealing with the same chicas! That is, except for the fact that you're getting ripped off at US $100 a pop.

I think Man needs to find out where to go before making such gross generalizations about Cali. He basically explained that he gave up "after one bad experience." Jesus, dude, have you traveled much- obviously not! You've never had a bad experience in Panama???!! *****houses are like a box of chocolates...

And I think comments such as the following bring "Man's" credibility into SERIOUS question:

"Most girls look alike, and the Latin look gets boring after awhile."

Well, why the HELL are you visiting South America if you don't like the "Latin look"???? And what the heck are you doing in Panama??? Move to Europe or better yet, go for an overweight, pasty-white, American *****.

And his most hysterical quote of the day:

"I think you see many more babes in the US, than you see in Cali."

If you're talking in quantity, you are right since the US is obviously a much bigger country. But percentage-wise?? I'll take an "average" girl from Colombia (or almost anywhere else in the world for that matter) before I take an "average" American girl.

There are literally 1000's of casas in Cali and to make such generalizations about Cali after a 4 day trip is just absurd. Next time, go there with someone who knows the city instead of aimlessly running around and more or less, giving up after one bad experience.

Did you even try to go to a non-pro disco??

Slick1
05-28-03, 00:39
I too just returned yesterday from my 4 day jaunt down to Cali. I will post a detailed report in a little bit when I get some time. While I have been to Buenos Aires 3 times since September I really knew nothing about Colombia. While I still don't know a whole lot I can tell you this, the Colombian women were some of the most beautiful women I have ever laid my eyes upon. I'll give you a first timers take on Cali probably later tonight but I felt compelled at this time to respond.

PanamaJack
05-28-03, 03:50
Hey guys,

I totally agree with zippy and slick about comparing colombian chicas with american females, even here in the states colombian girls had a reputation for been beautiful, especially in houston men I've seen some girls that stop traffic and come to find out there colombian girls living in houston from cali.

I have nothing against american women some of them are beautiful it really has to do with attitude, most american women that I've encounter don't have a positive attitude toward men in general don't know why thats not the case for latinas. oh well thats my two cents.... I'm glad to here from guys that really enjoy cali, maybe if we can keep low key, it won't turn into rio, BA, costa rica, or panama I hope it never does.

Slick1
05-28-03, 04:54
This report is simply meant to be a first time Cali visitors impression. After only 4 days in the city and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor command of the spanish language, I believe I merely scratched the surface of what this town has to offer. Others on this board will have a lot more to offer in terms of advice, but here goes anyway...

Panama, I really don't think this post or anything we say can ever turn Cali into a hot tourist destination but maybe a little larger influx of capitol spending from some of the more adventurous mongers may help keep those beautiful Calenas at home rather than having to run off to Panama and the like. Actually from having met many of my Buenos Aires board bretheren I don't think you would be too offended by thier arrival. Avery classy group of professionals if I say so myself. I will keep my post as honest as possible.

It was with an overwhelming sense of excitement and fear that I boarded AA 920 out of Miami last Thursday afternoon. My imagination was working overtime conjuring up visions of the oft rumoured Calena vixen interspersed with myself being held captive in a rebel guerilla camp. With no time to plan and little knowledge of the city I didn't know whether I was heading for the candy store or the shooting gallery. The fact the plane was only about 1/3 full made me question again my Memorial Day Weekend choice of destinations. Oh yeah, the commercials for the new documentary about the capture of Pablo Escobar, which played numerous times on the airport TV, did little to ease my sense of apprehension. When these ads did play, I did sense some looks of disgust from the obvious Colombian passengers. Much akin to the look us Italians would give when endless stories of the mafia are aired. I guess its tough to shake the worlds misguided impressions when all they see and hear is of the worst a country has to offer. And with that I was off.

After reading several of the past posts on this board I had decided upon the Dann Carlton as my choice of lodgings. Through the Dann website I emailed my reservation request and heard back shortly thereafter from the corporate VP that an agent would be getting back to me shortly about my plans. Well at least thats what I thought it said but as I already mentioned, my espanol es muy malo. With no time left to wait for a response I headed off knowing my confirming reservation and airport pickup request was a mere formality and the email would be recieved in my absence.

The flight was great. One movie and an episode of Everyone loves Raymond and we were starting our descent. Much more pleasurable than the 8 1/2 hours from hell I was used to with my trips to Buenos Aires. And the stewardesses, who I percieved to be Colombianas, were very nice and cute to boot

Nice landing and short taxi to the terminal and were here. Hmmm, its was about 9pm, since we left late, and the airport here seems pretty much deserted. One other small jet on the tarmac and us. Very dark outside and the terminal itself, empty and not well lit. But then as I say my goodbyes and step out the door of the plane its my first Calena who looks me square in the eyes, smiles and says "buenas". I soon learned that this was the typical Colombian greeting, no matter whether it was dias or noche.

Off to immigration we march to where a single file line forms. It was here that I was glad the plane was 2/3 empty since the line moved very slowly and of course I was near the end. I reach the desk and when I tell him I'm American he takes my passport into the back but returned a few minutes later. What was that all about I wondered, but with the armed guards watching me closely I just continued on to the tax exempt desk(?) and down to baggage claim. In Baggage claim the National Police were out in force and I was told to go to numero cuatro for inspection. I was told to open my bag, but what the heck, so was everyone else. They did not ask me to open my camera bag and more importantly my accessories kit. For it was there amongst the copious volume of condoms that the true purpose of my visit existed. Zipper back up the bag and out the door.

Outside there were people waiting for arrivals but a short distance beyond, the darkness loomed. 2 more cute Calenas look me direct in the eye and smile. I could get used to this I thought to myself. Okay, so where is the driver from the hotel holding the sign with my name. Short walk back and forth to the edge of darkness confirmed in my mind that maybe I should have waited for my confirming email. Oh well, I can just stand here looking more and more like the lost tourist or I can hop in that cab, act like I know what I'm doing, and hope for the best. So I hopped and hoped.

We were off into the darkness. Windows open, no a/c, and dashboard lights that continually faded to darkness despite the drivers best efforts at keeping them illuminated. The road to Cali is a dark one my friends. With each car coming up behind us flashing his lights, I didn't know whether the signal was to move over because we were going too slow or the drivers friends had arrived and I was the next statistic. Driving along with no street lights there was not much to see, but there was a smell that lingered in the air. Can't quite put my finger on it but it seemed to be a cross between barbequeing meats and the sweet pungent aroma of rotting fruits and garbage. After about 15 minutes in the dark we clearly were approaching civilization and the edges of the city. Now I could see more, but this city is not all that well lit either. To give you an example, it seemed to me that the tallest building in Cali was a rather tall building with 3 crosses brightly lit on top. And as it turned out, right across from my hotel. Now you frequent visitors to Cali know that there is no tall building with 3 crosses on top, but a first timer like me had to wait for the sun to rise before I realized, after looking out my hotel window, that it was a mountain on which the crosses were perched, and not a building. For my friends from the Argentina board, I knew I wasn't in Recoleta anymore Toto.

There truly is no comparison between the cities of Cali and Buenos Aires with the exception that they both have a lot of taxis and beautiful women. To compare the two is to like compare the Salsa with the Tango. Steamy, hot, and sexy or do you like smooth, suave and sophisticated. I personally like both and appreciate the differences.

So I arrive at the Dann Carlton knowing in the back of my mind that since there was not a car waiting at the airport, there probably was not a room waiting at the front desk either. Nice hotel. Well, at least the lobby was nice, since as you may have already guessed I didn't get to see the rooms since there was no reservation and no rooms available. Between prayers that I wouldn't be sleeping in the park across the street on the banks of the river Cali, the front desk man graciously called the Intercontinental for me and got me a room. And the rate he got me was about 30 dollars cheaper than the best rate for the same room on the internet. So if you have a friend in Cali, have him call and make your reservation. The english speaking bellboy walked me across the street and with the money I was saving I got a suite at the Inter. for 90 dollars a night. Breakfast included. Nice hotel, nice pool, and a very nice suite. As an aside, breakfast was great. Between the 11 different fresh squeezed juices, buffet of eggs, melted queso, fruits,breads, carne, and ohh those continuous refills of fresh Colombian cafe con leche, this was my favorite meal of the day.

Continuing,went up and took a quick shower and headed back down for I didn't head this far to sleep alone. Asked the girl at the front desk where a good bar was and she went outside and found her taxi driver friend Carlos. Taxi drivers at the Inter. go thru an interview process to be allowed to pickup passengers at this hotel. Guarantees safety and a good car. Other taxis can drop you off there but only their approved drivers can gain access past security to wait for a fare. Carlos was great. Wish I spoke better spanish to converse with him. Always had a smile and since I am a big tipper he was always eager to help me with my next days travel plans. Since I was alone I always had him come in the chica bars and houses with me. Felt safer with a local and I didn't really have to twist his arm to hard. First night he knew right off what I wanted and he took me to Flores de Fresca. At least amongst the cab drivers, this was the best spot for girls in Cali. I don't know because my explorations were limited but I can say I was truly impressed by the quality of the girls. Damn were they sexy in their low slung hip hugger jeans and bare middriffs. I believe actually that this clothing ensemble is the official uniform in Cali for all girls 13 thru 30. Guys from the BA board, this scene is vastly different than the clubs surrounding Recoleta, but since its getting late I think I will sign off now and continue with my first Cali Chica adventure tommorow.

BUENAS everyone

HarryDHo
05-28-03, 06:19
I was in Cali last year for 5 weeks. The most active place at night is La Zona Rosa. In fact, I think every city in Colombia has a tourst section called La Zona Rosa. The bar owner or manager will flag down a girl if you ask him to. Although I was rolled twice, once at gunpoint, I did have a good time. Spanish is easy to learn and Colombian women are the most beautiful of all latin women; I believe even more so than in Brazil. But, not everything is as it appears. Colombia is the capital of the marriage agency. Since night time is so dangerous, the best way to meet someone is through an agency. The foreigner pays. She does not. The biggest one going is the meetings held at Hotel Incontinental. Its $1,000 plus for the dumbest of men but the veterans will sit in the lobbie. After 5 weeks, a Colombian city can get boring because you are so limited where you can travel because of the extreme danger there. I couldn't even get a cabbie to take me to the country in fear he would loose his cab to an attacker. The best looking women seemed to come from Medallin.

Aussie Greg
05-28-03, 08:25
Gidday board,

Nice report so far SLICK1, looking forward to your further reports.

Aussie Greg.

ViajeroTropico
05-28-03, 18:44
slick1, can't wait for you to finish your report. Having visited Cali once before, in 1999, it will interesting to hear current impressions. Just for your information, 'buenas' or 'muy buenas' without any addition of dia, noche, etc, is quite common in lots of places in Latin America right now, just like 'porfa" instead of the complete 'por favor' is as well, as a slang term, not in formal conversation. Will be watching for the rest of your story...

Slick1
05-29-03, 05:27
Cali, part 2


Just got back from my local tapas bar. Had to get a small dose of Latina to get me thru the day. One cute Colombiana works there but alas I sense she has already become somewhat Americanized. Please excuse the rest of the report as it will probably be influenced to some degree by the pitcher of sangria I just finished.

Ok, so where did I leave off. Allright , Carlos and I just arrived at Flores de fresca. Not far from the Hotel Intercontinental but if you don't know the scene , you will never find it. Believe me, Cali is dark. Passed some streetwalkers on the way, along the river, but Carlos tells me these are transvestis. I'll take his word for it.

We pull into a dark gravely driveway and park the cab. Flores appears to be a 2 story house with no telltale signs from the outside that this is a club. There are several guys at the archway, which passes as the entrance, and they say it is 15000 pesos to get in. I guess that is @ 5-7 dollars depending on the exchange rate. The hotel was giving 2500 pesos to the dollar even though the official rate was probably more like 2900. I pay for the 2 of us to get in and we head thru the door. But first we are frisked. This was the first of about 20 times I was frisked on this trip, that is if you don't count the chicas ! Actually, my 2nd time at Flores the lights came up and 4 members of the Nacional Police came in and frisked everyone and searched behind and under all the seats for weapons. After seeing these hot chicas, I hoped what I was toting in my underwear would not be mistaken for a 357 magnum.

Well back to the trip. Up about a flight of stairs we come to a rooom with a stage in the middle and a good amount of Colombian guys seated around the perimeter of the room. This is not Madahos my fellow BA mongers but rather, not much more than the barebone minimum in decor. There is a low platform rectangular stage in the middle but not much else. Well except for the 30 or so beautiful chicas dancing in their low slung hip huggers and halter tops. Wow ! These girls are hot. And I thought the Brazileras had the market cornered on great asses. They can also gyrate those hips like I have never seen before. I think I am the only gringo in the joint, but who cares. Several of the more aggressive girls start to vie for my attention and I realized it would not be an easy choice. After a few songs of dancing with the hip huggers and halters, the jeans all come off. Several minutes later and the tops vanish as well. Hot, Hot, Hot!!!

And then, they are gone. Don't despair my friends for it is not the end but merely time for the lesbian show. Now I witnessed the lesbi show at Nuevo Estilo in BA. Amatuers pure amatuers, but aqui, strap on central here we cum. The way these girls pounded away made me somewhat envious of their skills. After its was over they will ask for a tip, but 1-2000 pesos should easily suffice. If you are not seated with a good vantage point initially, do not despair because these girls will move to all parts of the stage to insure all get a good look. I was told later on from my chica friend that all the girls are required to perform the lesbi show but there are only 2 a night. It is up to the management which 2 girls get picked to perform. Along with the lesbis, there are 1 or 2 other girls that do perform a striptease but it pales in comparison. By the way, this is the only place that I ever payed a cover charge in Cali, but I was told that this is the only place that puts on a show.

So, it was not long before Valentina started to put the moves on and park herself in the seat next to me. She was hot, but I felt like she was a little too agressive. Besides I was not yet ready to choose. I also don't really remember what the prices were that they were quoting, but this is the most expensive club in Cali as far as i am aware. I get the feeling they specialize in gringo pricing, but my chica says the Colombians pay the same price. They do have rooms on premises and I think the price for an hour with a girl is somewhere between 100,000-200,000 pesos. Don't hold me to this as I never did use the rooms there. One thing I liked over BA is that the scene starts much earlier here and the clubs close at 2 am. Many of the girls will tell you to wait until 2 and you will not have to pay the barfine which at Flores was 70,000 pesos the time I took my girl out.

After about 1 1/2 hours Carlos and I left. I think Carlos thought that I felt the prices were too steep, but rather I merely wanted to see a little more of the Cali scene. We went to a place fairly close to Flores but I don't know the name. Looked like a little house from the outside with I believe a sphinx painted on the wall over the entrance. Inside it was pretty grungy but they had about 30 girls. Once you sit down the word goes out and one by one the girls come up to you and either kiss your cheek or shake your hand and introduce themselves. Since I was tired I knew I should choose and when I saw a beautiful butt across the room in a little bikini, I selected. She was a 19 year old sweet little girl whose name I do not remember. 80,000 pesos for the whole night with 40,000 as the barfine. What was that, about 27 dollars for a night of sex with a cute 19 year old. She was very nice and sweet and we had a good time. She left early the next morning and I went down for breakfast. Hey the sex was good but you don't want to miss breakfast. Did I mention the Cafe con Leche.

You know, it is late and the Sangria really is clouding my senses. I will finish this report manana. Adios

HappyGoLucky
05-29-03, 16:48
Awesome reports Slick!! I'm sorry we didn't meet when I was in BA during April!! Now I'm itching to go to Cali!! Hey, did you get the impression that lighter skinned gringos (like me and Jackson) are more at risk in Cali? Maybe I can meet you down there one of these days!! All the best, HAPPY.

Slick1
05-29-03, 22:05
Happy

Except for a little bit of a tan, I myself am a light skin gringo. In no way do I believe the locals ever mistook me for one of thier own. Judging by the sizeable police and army presence in Cali, I have to believe they are there for a reason and that everyone is at risk. From what I hear it is the wealthier Colombians most at risk. I don't know if this is true but I was told that only one American was ever abducted and was set free the next day. The dangers are real, but likewise if you make the wrong turn in Miami or Newark the same dangers exist. I always took precautions, but I really never felt threatened. I really enjoyed the Colombian people and felt that although they may appear a little rougher with their darker features, they may have been even more hospitable and friendly than the portenos. Actually I just purchased the complete Pimsleur language set because I really felt like I was missing out by not being able to converse on a higher level with these people.
For safety purposes I believe it is probably always better to travel in numbers. I was alone but I made a quick friend in Carlos my driver and brought him in every club with me. If our schedules coincide, I would be glad to meet you down there. I was actually even considering returning around the July 4th weekend. That should give Carlos enough time to put together a whole bevy of beauties.

I'll continue my Cali report tonight.

Slick1
05-29-03, 22:15
Oh I forgot to mention that I checked my bank statement today online and confirmed that it is much more economical to just get your money out of the many ATMs in Cali. I did not see many cambios like in BA and did change my first 100 US at the hotel for 2500 pesos. This is about a 14 dollar penalty from the exchange rate thru the ATM use. Plenty of banks and ATMs in Cali including Citibank. Although there was a 200,000 limit at Citibank you simply had to just punch in your transaction several times in succession until you had what you needed. Plus its probably better to not carry a lot of cash and just get it when you need it. They say though to carry enough to satisfy any would be robber.

Aussie Greg
05-30-03, 00:21
Hi SLICK1,
Aussie Greg here:

I'll be in Cali from the 13 June to 5 August or there abouts, might go to San Angres for a week or two with a beautifull calena but most of the time I'll be in Cali.

If you would like to meet up and go for a beer, thats no problem. I will not have a cellphone there but can give you my taxi drivers number, he will know where I'm at.

All the best,

Aussie Greg.


Originally posted by slick1
Oh I forgot to mention that I checked my bank statement today online and confirmed that it is much more economical to just get your money out of the many ATMs in Cali. I did not see many cambios like in BA and did change my first 100 US at the hotel for 2500 pesos. This is about a 14 dollar penalty from the exchange rate thru the ATM use. Plenty of banks and ATMs in Cali including Citibank. Although there was a 200,000 limit at Citibank you simply had to just punch in your transaction several times in succession until you had what you needed. Plus its probably better to not carry a lot of cash and just get it when you need it. They say though to carry enough to satisfy any would be robber.

Slick1
05-30-03, 02:23
Cali part 3

As a point of clarification, when I refered in my last post to the darker feature of the Colombians making them appear rougher I was refering to the jet black hair and brows on the men. As well they also tend to look at you with a rather stern look as if you don't belong. I found however that a mere hello or Hola in most every case usually brought about a smile and a handshake. Simply taking the small step of breaking the ice truly revealed a very warm and hospitable people. By the way that same jet black hair and well trimmed brow on the ladies is truly what adds to the stunning beauty of many of these women. The ladies told me that they go to great lengths to always look good which includes trips to the beauty salon just about every other day for styling and manicures.Vanity is a virtue. They say there usually are just as many men getting worked on. You will notice an unusually large number of Estetica centers where everything from liposuction to teeth whitening occurs. If you have time for a little body work, Colombia might be the bargain you are looking for. It appears the women go to great lengths there to look good and it shows. While the jet black mane is incredible the women use these centers religiously to bleach that same hair on the rest of their bodies or laser it off completely. I guess you can tell I'm a bit smitten with these Calenas.

After my initial night with my 19 year old friend whose name I now remember as being Adrianna, I ate and headed out to the pool chaizes for some R&R. A few fresh squeezed Limonades and agua puras later and I was feeling much more hydrated and refreshed. Although I only laid in the sun , well actually the clouds, for several hours I did manage to get quite sunburned. Be wary of the sun here for it is strong. Of those 3 hours there really only was about 30 minutes of sun and I had a bit of a base tan to boot.

After my rest I went to the spa for a massage. 22,000 pesos for a great 1 hour massage that really hit the spot. Yes, it was a legitimate massage. Next time I think I'll hit the Esteticas for some rejuvenation work. After my massage I headed to Chippechappe. This is the mall that everyone goes to for some social interaction because it didn't seem like anyone was buying anything. Lots of outdoor stands to eat and drink and peoplewatch, for that is the true highlight of a trip to Chippechappe. Friday was not the best day but Saturday when the chicas are off work, there truly were some incredible sights to behold. Lots of staring opportunity here my friends. What really got me was the way many of the girls would stare even when they are on the arm of a man. These girls are not afraid to look you in the eye and give you the onceover. Since I was there with a girl on saturday I did not test the market but it doesn't look to difficult to meet some hot prospects.

Friday night my man Carlos showed up right on time and rang my room to let me know he was downstairs. Off to a very good steak dinner at Las dos Parillas which I believe was on Avenida Sexta. There is also a seafood restaurant attached which is also very good. Took my date there the following evening for langostinos. Both meals were excellant and I highly recommend both for food and service. Though I didn't have time to really compare many restaurants I would hazzard a guess that these were both two of the more expensive restaurants in town. The seafood was much more expensive than the Carne. My bife de chorizo was 25000 pesos or about 9 dollars for one great steak. Actually it was the bottle of champagne that doubled the bill. The seafood restaurant was about double the price of the carne side. Beautiful setting on both sides of the restaurant and if you want to take a girl to a very nice spot I don't think she'll be disappointed with either.

After the great meal it was back to Flores. Much the same ladies but probably less men on Fri. night. Had an absolute knockout sitting next to me at my table, 5'8", 19 or 20 years old,jet black hair, gorgeous face and body, and yet I couldn't take my eyes off the cute little blonde dancing on stage with the most beautiful smile I have ever seen. I found that when you have a girl with you at the table you still are fair game for all the other chicas until you actually head out the door with a girl. It seems to me that the girls actually turn up the powers of sexual persuasion a notch in an all out effort to lure you away from the girl at hand. And I must tell you it works. This little blonde vixen stole me right out of the arms of a perfect ten. Something about that smile I guess.

It was only about 11pm and I didn't want to wait till closing for my chica so I paid a 70,000 barfine and off we went. Great thing I saw with Cali as opposed to BA is that things get going much earlier here and the clubs close at 2:00 as opposed to 5:00 in BA. Many of the girls will tell you to wait until 2:00 and when the clubs close they will meet you and you won't have to pay the club. The other alternative is to use the rooms in the clubs, which I did not as I was quite content with the superior air conditioning in my suite. Thats another thing, dress light because AC is not that good or non existant. Cali has a fantastic climate however and I don't think it ever gets too bad.

Took my sweet little girl and off we went. I had a great time and the sex was great. I guess this is what you would refer to as the ultimate girlfriend experience but I don't think I ever had a girlfriend that was this good. I'm not one for really getting into the details of my sexual encounters but believe me from my first 2 girls in Colombia these girls know how to please a man. And it seems like they enjoy doing so. Since I had such a great time I told her to come by tommorrow and we would have lunch at around 1. She gave me her # and she took down the one at my hotel. She beat me to the call the following day and asked me if I planned to call. I truly did, but since I was not sure what time she got up I decided to wait. Anyway she came over and we had lunch at the pizzeria in the hotel. We had plans to hang by the pool but she forgot her bikini. Damn, and know what are we going to do. Oh well, we were forced to proceed to Plan B and make do by having sex all afternoon in my room. This included a great session in the jaccuzzi sized bathtub. Actually we alternated in and out of the tub a couple times until she left to go get ready for our night on the town.

After she left I got my daily evening call from my buddy Carlos to let me know he was here. I went down to talk and told him about my girl and that she was coming to meet me for dinner at 8 and that the 2 of us were going to go solo tonight. He seemed a bit disappointed but I said if he was around he could take us to the restaurant. 8:00 came and I went down to meet my girl. Saw her arrive in a cab looking absolutely doll like. I looked around for Carlos and did not see him so I just hopped into her cab. Gave her a kiss and I told her I was looking for Carlos. At that moment the driver turned around and lo and behold it was Carlos with a big smile on his face. He had actually gone to pick up my date and bring her to the hotel. We got to the Seafood restaurant, I think it was called something like Las girasoles, but I may be wrong. This time Carlos waited in the taxi and my date and I had a wonderful romantic dinner.

After dinner we got in the taxi and Carlos took off to destination unknown. We were about 15 or 20 minutes outside of the hotel zone in an area that made me really wonder if we were heading into rebel territory. All of a sudden we traverse a small bridge and we are in the land of the Salsa Clubs, Juanchito I believe it is called. Down the road another mile and it is Club Chango for us. This place was really happening. It is a large club with 2 big circular dance floors with tiered booth seating around the dance floors. Instead of individual drinks the thing in Cali is to buy the whole bottle and the waiter will set you up with the ice and mixes. Vodka y naranja for us. The girls here love to dance and I must say I really enjoyed watching them dance. I took a couple spins with my date but like my spanish language difficulties I am not all that proficient in salsa either. But that doesn't mean I can't truly appreciate those that are.My girl was hot, but so were most of the other female patrons. A veritable smorgasbord of sexy latinas. I don't know how a single male would do here because it did appear that most of the girls were on a date although there were a few tables of just girls. Maybe it depends on the day of the week. Naturally Salsa at the Club Chango had to be followed up with more Sexa at the Hotel Intercontinental.

I may have missed a day but I think you all get the flavor of my stay in Cali. Oh yeah one thing I forgot. On 1 free afternoon I did head over to one of those marriage agencias to see what the deal was. Since it was Sunday the regular help was not in but met a couple of nice guys who were using the service. I was pretty much curious to see if these truly were marriage agencies or another alternative to the casas or Flores for getting set up with chicas for fun. I still don't know the answer but I don't see why you would need them in Cali. To each his own but I would stick to the regular avenues.

My last evening was spent once again with my little lady. Carlos came by and we both went to pick her up. Went out for some fruitsalad con helado and then a drive to an area that looks out over the city at night. Bad thing with Cali is that the departing flights back to Miami are very early in the morning and they advise to get there a couple hours early, although I encountered no delays. But they do take their security seriously here so be prepared for long lines anyway.. Didn't even have time for one last breakfast buffet at the hotel and no mas Cafe con Leche. But there was Carlos, right on time whisking me back thru the darkness to Cali International. You know on the way back that darkness was not quite as daunting as it was on arrival. Cali was now much more to me than just the name of a cartel. I will return.

Buenas !

MoonDog
05-30-03, 04:00
Slick,

That was a great report. Now you have me thinking of going.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog :)

Zippy
05-30-03, 04:06
Nice report, Slick. I think you really captured the flavor of this amazing city...

PanamaJack
05-30-03, 08:37
Buenas slick,

I'm too planning on been in cali at the beginning of july, looking forward to it, great report thats the cali that I remenber. I have a good friend that drives taxi in cali too, he knows cali inside out its a good way to really hit up the casas. I'm suprise that your taxi driver did not tell you about ESCOCIA its about two blocks from the Dann walking towards the river on the left hand side, a little touristy but men as many beauties as flores frescas remenber for next time. Another good spot for picking up caleñas is la avenida sexta, I pick up some beauties they also have some casas within the area good area for just haging out. Good report Slick maybe I'll cacth you on your next go around.

Slick1
05-31-03, 13:16
Aussie and Panama

If I do make it back to Cali next month I would enjoy hooking up for a beer or two. Actually there was a very good selection of regular girls at a place called La casa de Cerveza. I think they said it was fairly new and had a very big crowd inside and out. They take an approx. 6 inch wide and 3 1/2 foot long plastic tube with a spigot on it and fill it with beer and put it on your table. Whenever you are empty you can pour your own right there. There was one table of about 12 girls who were all about 18 - 20 years old and 5'9" - 6'0" tall. Dressed like and looking like supermodels. Everyone of them. Must have been another beauty contest going on. Hear they happen just about every week down there. The rest of the crowd also had many cute girls.

Panama, even though I forgot to mention it, my driver did take me to Escocia, actually I thought the name was Esconces but I was a little drunk. It was as you say only a couple blocks down from the hotels. Maybe it was just the night or time I went but the girls were well below the quality at Fresca. Many were packing quite a few extra pounds which I didn't see elsewhere. There was one very pretty girl who I made continual eye contact with but she was pretty much trapped in a booth with two guys and not likely to escape any time soon. I did really enjoy the music selection at this club and would return just to see that I just didn't hit it on the wrong day.

JamesBond69
05-31-03, 17:11
Originally posted by slick1
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Very interesting post slick1. You are a true adventurer.

I'm a Buenos Aires fanatic but I've mongered in Colombia in Cartagena, where the best chicas are from Cali. No question the calinas are really hot but the security concerns are such that overall I prefer Buenos Aires.

Anyway if you want to post further I would be interested in more comparisons of Buenos Aires to Cali.

Again thank you for sharing your experiences.

Antifreeze
05-31-03, 19:12
I've lived in Cali for the past 6 months. Security concerns are, I believe, way exagerated (other than the security of the status of your girlfriend that may be bumped to ex-girlfriend at any given day if you are on the weak side).

Life is great here. Every single aspect of life is just so more relax. I truly appreciated Slick's report and congratulate him for his accurate perception in such little time. Cali is a jewel, not much tourism down here, and foreigners are most often welcome as Calenos anywhere. You do not feel like a foreigner here by the way you are interacting with people.

I would highly recomend staying as far away of Flores Frescas as possible. There, you are a foreigner with those high prices. Girls are not cutter than any closed house I've been to. I've put addresses of many of them that are on 2 AV. Norte (and have more if you want). By paying high prices, you inflate the prices for all of us, which makes it thougher to get good service for a reasonable price. I rarely pay more than $30 000 pesos for complete service that is worth the girlfriend experience.

I plan to stay in Cali as long as I live. They are not bringing me back to North-America alive...

If you are affraid of Colombia, I am not angry at you. I actually thank you for being so irrational and feel that your attitude helps preserve those beautiful opportunities down here. Should there not be fear of Colombia, life would be way more expensive and streets would be filled with tourists. That is not what I want for my Cali.

Antifreeze
05-31-03, 20:48
Rastaman,

I sadly am in a poor position to correctly answer your question since I have not had the opportunity to travel to all those places.

It's not all about how they look though, it much more about their attitude toward sex. Cali women are opened and are looking for it, in Medellin, you'll find more Queens without Kingdoms than anywhere else. In Medellin, they are ladies... So, prostitution is not really well seen. In Cali, well, a girl has to do what she has to do to survive, and if she can't enjoy it at the same time as getting a good pay out of it, then jackpot.

I've heard that in Manizales, girls are so slutty that they can't wait to get in the sack to have sex (they'll get sex before even hitting the ground). This is only an inderect report from locals.

If I refer to prositution in this post, it's because I think that almost all women are pros as well as all men are Johns. Women are as superficial as men when they look for a wealthy man as we men are when we're looking for a cute little ass. How people perceive prostitution in an area tells a lot on how people perceive themselves (do you hide it, ignore it, enjoy it, display it or else). In Cali, it's everywhere, That is a sign of an acceptance of it that means that even nonpros are well aware of their instictive backdoors and are not denying themselves the true nature of their beings.

That is surely not the case for Medellin. I can be proven wrong (I have not been there yet), but I met so many girls from Medellin in the States to know that they are not coming from the same planet as the ones from Cali.

Manizales is a mystery to me. I've met the most stuck up girls from there. They do not even enjoy a little swearing when it's really necessary (without being vulgar, you sometimes can communicate vulgar thoughts) - in Cali, it always open a lighted discussion where you can talk about anything to anyone. With Manizales people, I've learned to restrain myself and talk about the weather since I do not believe to have the stuck up requirements to get even a conversation with them.

This is only through limited experience and high subjectivity, but the hell, you asked, I answer.

Question: how many beautiful women do you need in one day? In Cali, you'll find plenty, with the right attitude that corresponds with their body. So, who cares if there would be one or two more in another place. Sex is like money, one needs to control his appetite or he looses his grip over reality, and reality looses grip over him...

Antifreeze
05-31-03, 20:50
replace:

and if she CAN'T enjoy it at the same time as getting a good pay out of it, then jackpot

for:

and if she CAN enjoy it at the same time as getting a good pay out of it, then jackpot

OBVIOUSLY...

Saint
05-31-03, 21:50
Thanks for the nice detailed reports Slick1. I had some yearnings to visit Columbia last year but never went. Maybe in the future. Also, a big thanks to antifreeze who pretty much nailed it when he gave his accurate thoughts on girls.

I admire people that have the guts to just pack it all up and start a new life somewhere else. Who knows...I might do it some day. I'm sure I'll make it to Columbia on one of my adventures. All I know is it seems like it has the highest percentage of girls looking for a gringo husband. When I was on Amigos.com last year I had so many girls from Columbia emailing me. It was amazing how fast they were to give out their phone numbers, email photos and invite you over to visit the family. Of course I passed every time.

Thanks again fellas.

Saint

Antifreeze
06-01-03, 00:49
studplayer,

cali river varies from a fly's [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) to a raging torrent. it is not to perform aquatic sports. near cali, there is a significant lake called lago calima that can meet your purpose though. it is about 2 hours from cali, and i'm sure that you'd be able to get some chicas to go there with you and enjoy your hardware.

cali is most obviously not the right destination if you want to enjoy that on a daily basis, but lago calima. the hell, life is so cheap down here, grab a place in cali and lago calima as well.

come down and see us before you fill a container and move all your stuff. by the way, you may have some import troubles with your boat. as an example, a used car can't be imported in colombia. so, go figure if that non-sense also applies to a boat?

Surfer
06-01-03, 01:21
Just writing to say that yet another experienced World Traveler went to Cali and was smitten; it most certainly belongs at the very top of the pantheon of cities for the experienced monger with Spanish language skills. IMHO, the security concerns are WAY overblown and it struck me as much safer than MANY a city I have visited like Managua, Panama City, TJ, Lima, Rio, Sao Paulo etc

Thanks to antifreeze for his hospitality and friendship. Yo voy a volver pronto, porque Cali es Cali.

Slick1
06-01-03, 04:08
James Bond

I can't really compare BA and Cali. They are vastly different experiences. Outside of the chicas which are beautiful in both locations, when I returned home from BA the first time I was enchanted by the city. After returning from Cali the first time I think it is the people, their attitudes and culture which has me hooked. I recognize BA as a great city which has fallen on hard times and I have always sensed an undertone of sadness to their music, artwork and dance. I love their passion, from the streetside tango to the old man singing in the park. But I have always sensed some sadness amidst all the beauty. Cali to me does not have the architectural beauty of BA although there is a natural beauty to the Cuaca Valley. Its people probably have much less than the Argentinians yet I don't get that same undercurrent of sadness. I know I was infected with the BA bug after returning home and now I suffer the post Cali blues. Just today my girl in Cali left a message on my cell phone and even though I'm still not quite sure what she said, just the sound of her voice made me yearn for a return trip. I'm also infected with the Salsa bug. Downloaded a bunch off the internet. I listen over and over to The Latin Brothers singing " Las Calenas son como las flores". Download this song ! Although my Spanish is not good I'll bet this song really hits it on the head with the Cali girls. Just a feeling I get even though I'm not sure of the translation yet. Oh well, back to my Spanish lessons, next time I will be more prepared. First week in July is starting to look more and more like a reality and I would love to meet anyone else who will be there at the same time. Hopefully I can tap into Antifreezes wealth of knowledge this time around.

PanamaJack
06-01-03, 08:09
SLICK WILLY,

Men I know how you feel after I came back from cali I was sick, sick to my stomach not been around does beautiful caleñas. I would talk to my then girlfriend everyday but men that gets to expensive so I cut hear off, life in cali is throughtly especial, I've never in my life been treated they way this ladies in cali treated me.

I've never been to BA but I have dated girls from BA actually my cousin studied medicine in BA brought a girl back to panama got married, real beautiful girl with a nice disposition. Maybe someday after I settle in panama city, I will travel to BA but right know I'm hook on cali.

You know what hook me beside the small waist, nice asses, and beautiful faces, it was the way the girl bent over backwards to please me. Anything I wanted, I would be talking just a casual conversation about lets say fish, next day I would have a fish on my plate, anytime I wanted a beer my exgirlfriend 17 year sister would go running out the door to go buy it, they spoil me men wether it was a cousin of my ex her mother her friends men they treated me like a fucking king excuse my french.... And it wasn't just my ex and hear family. Well guys good luck and I do hope to see somebody in cali for early july chao..........

Leo
06-03-03, 00:09
Slick, great report... I may have to visit Cali soon! Hey G, what do you think?

Aussie Greg
06-04-03, 12:23
Buenos Guy's,

Just writing to say all is going well, leave to travel to Cali, Colombia on the 11 June ( one more week !! ) Not looking forward to the long flying time. Arrive there on the 13 June, yes two days travel from the west coast of Aussie.

Must spend a night and day in Miami, can any body give me a name of a strip club to go to to kill a bit of time. !!

Ramon my taxi driver, tour guide is waiting with the girls all lined up !!!!! for my selection !!!!.

Diana is busy in the kitchen cooking for me mmmm home cooked Colombian tucker !!!!! ( food in aussie !! ) I hope there beer is good or I'll haft to drink the hard stuff.

Will post every two to three days while I'm in Cali ( thats if the rebels let me out to a internet cafe !! )

All the best, Antifreeze remember that game of billards mate !!

Regards, gracias, adios

Aussie greg.

Slick1
06-05-03, 03:03
The trip is a definite. Will be at the Intercontinental from July 2nd thru the 6th. If anyone will be in town lets hook up for a few beers. I will be bringing a friend from Miami. My chica con la linda sonrisa has called me twice and is eagerly awaiting my return. A pool party at the hotel may be in order, cuba libres are on me!.

B Player
06-05-03, 03:24
Leo, Antifreze,Panama Jack, and Slick.

Slick and Antifreeze , loved your reports, you know Col. very well. I spent 6 weeks in Col. last year mostly Bogota and you are correct that if you keep a low profile and keep to a few simple rules you will be safe and do just fine in Col. Iam looking to be in Cali for 1 month from the end of june till the end of july. I would love to hook up with any of you who will be done there that time of year for a few drinks and hit some night spots(first beers on me ) P.S. does anyone know if Rayda Aparthotel has a web site?

Ricker
06-06-03, 21:42
Having just returned from Medellin to work a couple weeks before going back to Colombia, I wanted to add my 2 cents in here.
First of all, SlLICK1, great report ... sounds like you're hooked on Cali too.

As for the report by MAN about Cali ... absolutely nuts. I've been to the GOLDEN TIME in Panama ... yes it has nice looking chicas, way overpriced and most "way hardened" in the business. You can have Panama ... give me Colombia anyday gracias.

I also admire and envy Antifreeze for now living in Cali ... must be nice never having to leave. I live part time now in Medellin but have to come back to the states to work every 10 days or so. I am however setting up shop in Colombia for my future early retirement ... a man can live like a king for a lot less down here. We all know that.

I also lived in Cali for a bit before meeting my "Paisa" (chica from Medellin) and subsequently moving to Medellin. I'll tell you what, they are both GREAT cities.
Cali has that great flavor about it with Ave Sexta and the way the Calenas love to be sexy.
I'll tell you though, Medellin too is a hidden treasure ... the girls are stunning. There is much more variety of looks in Medellin. You'll see beautiful light skin blondes or jet black hair all the way to Calena looking morenas to the beautiful black skin chicas. And they are very very very friendly here, especially to gringos. Gringos are a lot less common and the girls just stare at you, and with a smile and a little spanish ... you can find more girlfriends than you have time for.

As far as the pay for fun scene .... definitely not as prevalent as Cali ... BUT there are some really great places and more than i thought at first ... just not as easy as Cali. But it is GOOD too.
Please check my Medellin post for the phone nmbr of the hotel i talk about and ask for Robert or Anival, wealth of knowledge on pay for fun scene. Anival is a retired cop from Medellin.

Medellin is better for the street cafes they have, especially near the soccer stadium where you can sit and have a cerveza and smile at girls and make connections. Lots of beautiful ladies walk by about 4pm thru 7 or 8pm and til midnight on weekends. Also Medellin has a lot more malls to roam thru and search for your beautiful colombian.
Definitely the climate is way way nicer in Medellin ... an average of about 70 F to 75 F everyday ... nice and cool.

Sorry for the long report, just wanted to add my thoughts .... also to Aussie:
I also know Ramon, I'd even call him my friend. I just called him the other day from Medellin ... i meet some girls from Medellin that go to Cali for work and give them Ramon's nmbr to help set them up. Good guy ... just tell him exactly what you want ... he's got the full range from nice girls to pay for fun type.

Also, I'm going to hit Cali first on my way back down to Medellin in a couple weeks ... would love to hook up for a cerveza and share notes if you're around ... especially Anti freeze since you're a resident. Chaou

Slick1
06-06-03, 23:09
Ricker, your impressions of Medellin are very persuasive. After my return trip to Cali in July, that could be next.
It sounds like there may be a few of us in Cali during the first week of July. As the time approachs we should develop some plans for a night on the town or party by the pool.

Aussie Greg
06-07-03, 00:50
To SLICK, RICKER, ANTIFREEZE.

Yes pool party would be great at the Inter Con between the 2nd and 6th July.

Ricker, It's good to know more about Ramon, just speaking to him on the telephone he seems a nice guy, every thing is no problem and has already 2 beauties waiting for me.

If you guys want my e-mail address it is

gr4327@yahoo.com.au

Adios amigo's

Aussie greg.


Originally posted by slick1
Ricker, your impressions of Medellin are very persuasive. After my return trip to Cali in July, that could be next.
It sounds like there may be a few of us in Cali during the first week of July. As the time approachs we should develop some plans for a night on the town or party by the pool.

Judd
06-07-03, 01:14
Great report Slick1! Glad to see you enjoyed your trip to Cali. I never had a chance to share with you some of my experiences from Cali when you were in BA. Here’s some tips and things I noticed on my trips (4 in total) to Cali. I don’t claim to be an expert on Colombian society, but offer up as my own observations and talking with other Colombian men. A lot of this stuff is geared towards chasing the amateur puss. Definitely send Ramon an email as he can hook you up with pro's and very hot normal chica's who want to meet Americans/Europeans.

For me, Cali is a little different than BA so I adapt my mongering approach. It’s a little harder to find the stunners in the clubs. They are there, but not in abundance like BA. Keeping this in mind and the sheer number of hot girls milling around the streets of Cali, I spent most of my time trying to hook up with the amateur ass. If I struck out with a non-pro earlier in the night, then I would head to a strip club or pull one off the street to bang. This contradicts our thinking when in BA where we head straight for the strip clubs. As with most cities, Cali get’s better the more often you go especially with the amateur scene. By my third trip, well over half the girls I banged were amateurs as opposed to 90% pros in BA and Lima.

The women of Cali are unlike any other in Colombia. Colombian dudes have told me, the Calena’s tend to give it up quicker then their counterparts from other cities. Reasons being the hot weather, seductive salsa dancing, and competition from other girls. But keep this in mind…Calena’s are extremely jealous. I know you hear this a lot in other South American Countries/Cities. In Cali, the stakes are much higher as the girls are so beautiful and plentiful. The women are very insecure about their looks since society places such a huge emphasis on beauty. Another factor is due to the men being nearly incapable of having a monogamous relationship (can you blame them).

If possible, try to take some Salsa lessons before heading on your next trip to Cali. Foreplay is the key to success with the BA chicks, but a little Salsa/Merengue from a gringo will win the hearts of a Calena. As I’m sure you found out, these girls can bang with the best of them, especially when they feel an attration to you.

On the club scene, most of the popular dance clubs in Cali play Salsa/Merengue music. These are not a good place to go looking to meet chicas as 95% come with men, their dance partner. However, take a hot girl on a date to one of the clubs…you will be noticed by the other chicas and funny things can happen. I had one girl come up to me at the mall, ChipeChape, saying she saw me at the club. Next thing I know, I’m taking her out to the club and breathing heavy with her later that night.

One thing I noticed about the girls, was how they carried themselves in public. Not only are they incredibly beautiful, but even how they walk and their facial expressions are seductive. If you get a chance to hang with Ramon, go to one of the local large supermarkets. Tons of single women working and shopping. One time, we cornered a hot chica shopping . We ended up getting her and her friends to party with us back at my hotel. Almost got laid, but ended up passing out since it was my last night. Another great place to go is to ChipeChape around 6:00 or 7:00pm. They have a couple of small coffee shops where many beautiful woman go to relax and chat. Again, strike up a conversation and get their numbers. These girls love to go out and party. When they start drinking, anything can happen.

I'm not sure when the TLC Worldwide party is being held (usually in either June or July), but this is a great opportunity to meet many hot hot Calena's. Like another dude posted, it's not smart to pay ($1,000US for 2 parties). Just hang out in the bar or lobby of the Inter-Continental to meet and greet. A couple of years ago, with the help of Ramon, I did just that as there were chicas everywhere. Before the end of my trip, I ended up banging 2 of the girls I'd met in the lobby who were at the party.

Lastly, I agree with you...the people in Colombia are amazing. They are very humble and always willing to help you if needed. I remember my first time in Cali. I met a kid on the plane who offered to give me a ride from the airport to save cab fare. His family treated me like a true friend and his uncle ended up showing me some of Cali's more popular attractions. Cali is one of the only cities where I don’t mind meeting the dudes who live there. It’s unbelievable how many women these guys know (they like pimps) and they will hook you up. I met the manager of a small club that Ramon frequents. He had a chica on both arms (his lay's for the night) and I was by myself. He and I really hit it off. By the end of the night, he offered his girls to me. Ramon and I took them back to my hotel (for a nominal fee) and banged both of them. Some of the best sex I’ve ever had.

Good Luck!

Late,
Judd

Zippy
06-07-03, 02:03
Nice reports, guys! Ramon has really come along way since a met him a couple of years ago in Cali and put his contact info. in my report (assuming it is the same Ramon- middle-aged Colombian guy who used to live in New York). Can anybody verify whether this is the same Ramon?

Judd
06-07-03, 02:19
Sounds like him...Grey haired Puerto Rican. By the way, he doesn't drink.

Slick1
06-07-03, 03:28
Hey Judd
Glad to hear from you. I wish I could have picked your brain about Cali while in Buenos Aires but at that time I never knew that is where I would end up over the Memorial day weekend. Wish I could have met Ramon the first trip but I only recieved the contact info on my last night there and plans were already made. I will shoot him off an email about my upcoming trip over the July 4th weekend. I have had quite a bit of telephone contact from the girl in Cali I spent a lot of time with the last time. She knows I am coming back and hopefully I can avoid that infamous Calena jealousy that you speak of. Don't want to hurt her either as she really is very sweet.
I also may take you up on your suggestion about the salsa lessons. Its obvious that the ability to mix it up on the dance floor goes along way with these girls.

Actually the TLC gathering ends on the day I arrive back in Cali. Maybe I'll give my taxi driver buddy a call to tell him to scope out some of the hottest ones and get their numbers. Since he is one of the approved drivers at the Intercontinental and spends much of his time waiting at the entrance, he should be able to take names.

Zippy
06-07-03, 04:12
Judd,

Yep, that's Ramon all right. He's a good guy although I haven't utilized him since my first trip. I'm pretty comfortable in Cali at this point but I might give him a call next time just to say hi.

Slick,

Concerning dance lessons- Unless you are naturally a good dancer and pick up steps quickly, I would suggest you take meringue lessons first since it is much easier to learn IMHO while for most gringos, salsa is more difficult. As long as you can do the basic steps of meringue, you're set. Just make sure you tell your chica you would like to go to a disco where they play at least some meringue as opposed to a salsa disco where they only play the latter.

Have fun! I'll be in Cartagena for a couple of weeks soon before I head over to Medellin for a week.

Antifreeze
06-07-03, 18:53
B.player, Ricker,

I'd be happy to hook up with you guys when you'll be in Cali. I am always interested to meet people from the North that escaped the gravity of the US (mostly people that come to Colombia are lone thinkers that do not much mind what other think, which I am one of those, and that is normally a magnificient match).

Tell me how to reach you (I don't like to put my e-mail address or else here) and we'll work something out.

Just a quick note related to visiting Cali. When you pick a date for your trip, stay away from any 3 day weekend in Cali. There are more of those in Colombia than anywhere I've been, so do your homeworks and make sure that weekends are 2 days. People in Colombia work normally 6 days a week, so having those 3 days weekends is a necessity to cool down the human machine. At first, I used to think that it was a sign of a lazy society, but I get it now that it is because of the nature of things down here. So, when one of those weekends come by, Cali is completely deserted and a sad place to be. It is a sad story when I hear about someone that only came in here for a 3 day weekend (when Colombians don't work on a Friday and Monday), and the city is plain dead! I'll try to get the dates of such weekends so that it shall help people planing to come here.

freeze

Headhunter2000
06-07-03, 20:09
Guys, how do I contact this 'Ramon?' I will be visiting Cali for the first time this September and may want to use his services.

Aussie Greg
06-08-03, 01:35
Headhunter2000,

I have Ramons telephone number but I must ask him if I can give it to you and or post it here on the board.

I am shore he would be looking for more gringo business. I'll call him this morning and see what he says.

Adios amigo's, see you guy's soon in Cali.

Aussie Greg.

Antifreeze, keep the beer cold mate !!!

PanamaJack
06-08-03, 07:20
HEY GUYS,

I remenber when I was in cali once my exgirlfriend cousin took me to this disco, they call it a "VIEJOTECA" its kind of like salsa disco but they play old classic salsa, I was amazed to see so many single non-pros sitting in large group just wanting to be ask to dance, I guess you really have to be a local to know were to hit this spots. if I'm not mistaken its in a area called la floresta vieja.


Also guys I went on a picnic trip with my then ex and her family to the outskirts of cali, if I'm not mistaken its called pance its nice but what really impress me was the amount of caleñas in g-string oh my it was unreal, one thing that you most know its that during the colombian summer they take alot of paseos, "field trips" to the rivers and so on, especially pance if you really want to go and pick up some non-pro caleña thats a good possibility, my ex's dad pick up this hot caleña took her up the river and fuck her, thats cali anytime anywhere. Well guys i'm moving to panama within the next two weeks if everything goes well I will see you in cali for the beginning of july.

Aussie Greg
06-08-03, 09:14
RICKER, hi.

Have you got the two Americain guy's in Medellin e-mail address, the guy's with the Hotel, I have there telephone number, also there web page address with the girls (600)

Would like to check it out.
I'll give them a call when I'm in Cali, I'd like to go to Medellin to have a look around to, probley stay at there Hotel to.

Muchas gracias, amigo.

Aussie Greg.

Zippy
06-08-03, 17:16
HH,

Here is Ramon's contact info- ballesteros@usa.com, tele- 5133458.

Aussie Greg
06-09-03, 04:22
Gidday guy's, yes I can confirm that this is Ramon's e-mail and his telephone number.

He is open for business.

Aussie Greg


QUOTE]Originally posted by Zippy
HH,

Here is Ramon's contact info- ballesteros@usa.com, tele- 5133458. [/QUOTE]

B Player
06-09-03, 20:36
Hey guys;

A word of caution about picking up non-pros at night clubs . Let me start by saying that a good friend of mine is one of the most prominent plastic surgeons in Colombia , he works on all of the top models actresses and singers in Colombia and he informs me that large percentage of the pretty women in Col. have some type of cosmetic surgery done to them and that it is usually paid for by their boy friends which more often then not turns out to be a drug trafficker sine they are the only younger guys in Col. with any kind of money. I have met several of these guys threw my doctor friend and let me tell you this they are not to be messed with. In Col. The woman can be jealous , but the men are infamous for being jealous and crazy when it comes to their women. I have herd stories of men being shot in and outside of bars because they were to aggressive with some ones
girl. The first question I ask a chica when approaching her at a bar is if she has a boyfriend ? If her answer is yes I smile and walk away. Don’t worry if you look hard enough their will always be a pretty chica that has no boyfriend and is dieing to meet a gringo. P.S. To : antifreeze , slick, and whoever else is going to be in Cali in July my E-mail is….. Gregoryanselmo@hotmail.com please contact me and let me know how to get a hold of you while your in Cali.

Peace and good fortune

Slick1
06-10-03, 03:44
Just a quick tip for planning a trip to Cali. Although I like to book online and usually get good deals by surfing the net, I beat the best internet prices by far after calling both the hotel (intercontinental) and airline (Avianca/aces) directly. Over the phone they both offered significant savings over the best internet super saver price. Avianca has many Miami offices and the Hotel in Cali did have english speaking reservationists. At the hotel I just told them what I payed the last time and they said that was fine, despite the fact the website listed the same suite for about 50 dollars more a night. Saved about 75 on the airfare. With the low volume in tourists I guess you don't get the high volume discounts we have come to expect on the web.

B Player
06-10-03, 04:39
Slick,

How much did you pay for your plane ticket and your suit ? I live in Miami also and have not yet purchased my ticket, but I would like to know if I am getting a good deal or not.

Thanks and I am looking forward to meeting you in Cali.

Peace and good fortune

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Toosh
06-10-03, 11:45
I am interested in traveling to Cali but I am not sure of the visa requirements to enter Columbia. Are you required to obtain a visa in advance or at the airport? Also, do the Columbian's charge for the visa and if so how much? Finally, is there an exit fee (like Thailand) to leave Columbia?

AddictedToWomen
06-10-03, 22:49
Originally posted by Toosh
I am interested in traveling to Cali but I am not sure of the visa requirements to enter Columbia. Are you required to obtain a visa in advance or at the airport? Also, do the Columbian's charge for the visa and if so how much? Finally, is there an exit fee (like Thailand) to leave Columbia?

There's a Yahoo group that's pretty good for all this stuff: ColombiaExperts. Best not to mention your hobby though unless you want to get shot down in flames by some members!

Antifreeze
06-11-03, 00:08
Toosh,

Assuming that you are American, you will get a 30 day visa at the airport for no fee. To exit Colombia, you will need to pay something like $15. As an outsider, this is half what Colombians pay. When you arrive in Colombia, you shyould get your exemption stamp. That is a stamp that states that you a re a foreigner and are not requested to pay the full amount as Colombians do. It's better to get this at the arrival instead of the departure since security is so tight in Colombians airport, you will want all your energy when you leave (those are tough flights)...

HappyGoLucky
06-11-03, 01:39
Hey Slick!

"At the hotel I just told them what I payed the last time and they said that was fine, despite the fact the website listed the same suite for about 50 dollars more a night. "

How much are you paying per night at the Intercontinental?
Maybe, I can make it down there over the 4th....

Slick1
06-11-03, 02:13
Happy

I'm paying $90 a night for the 2 room suite , breakfast included. If you don't want the suite the price they gave me on the reg. room the last time was $69 a night. When I called the other night it almost sounded like they would have come even lower if I was in the mood to haggle. I was satisfied with my 90 rate. The suites are nice. Hope you can make it down it sounds like there will be a few of us around. The Dann and Dann Carlton right across the street are also nice hotels.

B Player
06-11-03, 04:55
Guys;

If I want to stay longer than 30 days, does any one know what the procedure is and what it will cost?

B Player
06-12-03, 17:56
Guys,

Just booked my tickets to Col. will travel to Medellin on june 24 for 2 days then of to Cali on the 26th for one fantastic month in paridise. A friend from L.A. will be joiing me for part of the trip, looking forward to meeting up with any wsg members while down there

Peace and good fortune

Toosh
06-13-03, 20:12
Aussie Greg,

Is your e-mail address for Ramon still vaild? I have sent him two e-mails (ballesteros@usa.com) since your post with the contact info and have not received any response. There is a strong probability that I will be going down there in the near future and I would like to get in contact with him.

Slick1
06-14-03, 15:12
B.player

I paid $425 on Aces out of Miami. Look forward to meeting you too.

Antifreeze
06-14-03, 17:48
B.Player,

I used to pay for plane tickets for my mother in law to come and live with us 6 months at a time (don't worry, she's a cool dude and I love having her around), and prices sky-rocket if for more than 30 days. It used to be about $750 at the time... I don't know abput now, but who expects a break over time!!! So, sorry to be the one bringing the bad news...

You may want to consider two one-way tickets (or just use a single 30 day one which you won't use the return part and fly stand by to come back)...

All,

By the way, I keep on going to those houses, and God, they will never bring me back to the US again. Girls are just great and you can go into that boyfriend girlfriend experience pretty deep. They all have their personality and as you get closer, it's a pretty beautiful sight. As an example, I had one this week performing a pretty lengthy foot massage on me (that was after sex that included lengthy and delicious 69), and that foot massage was actually done with her thong! Man, I never thought that having my big toe sucked was that good. In the US, girls will get disgussed just thinking about a foot... Here, I got every single area on each foot massaged by a mouth for about 15 minutes... And loved every minute of it. By the way, I did not know the girl before. All that to say that the industrial age did not totally made it down here. You won't be fucked like the girl before, and she will truly show you here personality. Some are not that good (I had one that refused to throw her gum before sex and kept on eating it like a cow during sex - I don't read the newspaper as I screw you, so throw the chicklet - although she was great looking, she'll never see me again), but most of them are a delight... Bad experiences are the price to pay for the lack industralization of sex down here, I don't care because there's way more rewards...

I tell you guys, but this is our little secret, this place in here is paradise and they are not taking me out of here alive...

B Player
06-19-03, 21:04
Antifreeze, Slick, Aussie Greg

I will be arriving in Cali on Thursday June 26 with a fellow hobbyist. We will be staying at the Hotel San Fernando, tel. # (572)556-4818, under the last name “ Chailaris”. If any of you want to go out that night feel free to contact us there or you can e-mail me with your contact info. I left my e-mail address on a previous report. Slick I am not sure if you will be in town yet, but if you get a chance let me know how to get a hold of you at the Intercontantial hotel, a pool party sounds fun .

B Player
06-19-03, 21:11
Does any one have info. On a good place to rent a cell phone for a month and what I should expect to pay?

Leo
06-21-03, 02:22
I'm scheduled for my first Columbia trip, after 5 Brasil and Argentina trips in the last 12 months. Arriving 26th, 27th or 28th, and looking forward to good times and beautiful caleñas and meeting up with B.player, D, slick1, armani, and any other WSG'ers that will be in town these dates. Buenas!

Slick1
06-21-03, 07:35
B.player, leo

I won't be arriving until the evening of July 2nd with a buddy from Miami. Probably around 9:00 pm. I'll try to come up with some contact info in the mean time. I'll probably see about getting a cell phone when down there. I think they will pretty much lend you the phone and you just purchase the minutes. I think we should be able to come up with enough girls to have a pretty good pool party. I already contacted my cab driver friend to hit up a lot of the girls who will be at the hotel the week before for the TLC event. That event does seem to coincide with both of your schedules. See you in a couple weeks.

Poobah
06-21-03, 23:39
Hello guys. I'm relatively new to this part of the WSG but I'm a member of a few other sites.

I'm going to be making my first trip to Cali and am psyched! I'm reviving my Spanish in anticipation of my arrival Dec. 1.

I've appreciated the reports by slick1, antifreeze, et al.

Antifireeze, if you have a chance, I'd love to hook up when I'm in town.

I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions, but for right now am content to keep digging up information.

Take care! ¡No puedo esperar para conseguir allí!!

Ricker
06-22-03, 18:06
Just got back from a quck trip to Cali and it was as good as ever.
I have a girlfriend in Medellin so I think of Cali as a playground.
Went to a new casa at Ave 2N Calle 25N #105.
Great place! The boss (la heffa) Adriana, was really cool, loved having a gringo there, the prices were unbelievable - $35,000 pesos for an hour - about $12 or 13 dollars, and a great selection of about 15 chicas.
After staying away for over a year, went to Flores frescas. Nice show, hot chicas but the prices ... mucha plata (expensive for service), especially for what's out there in the numerous casas around town.
Also went to Kaliente (from Kaliente.com).
Also some hot chicas but the less expensive casas are just as nice for about half the price.
Anyway, Cali is still heaven for chicas. Non-pros and pros alike are hot and most , really friendly.
Treat these girls nicely and tell them they're beautifull, and you'll be treated like el Rey (the King)

Ricker
06-22-03, 18:13
for B. Player,

You can buy a telephone for pre-paid service. Either Comcel or Bell South.
Both have stores in Chipi Chapi mall.
Usually there are specials they are running, compare both places.
I got a Bell South phone about a year ago on special. Cost about $50 or around there. Pre-paid calls cost about 1000 pesos a minute (33 cents/min), half this rate at night I believe too.
You can buy these pre-paid phone cards just about in any store and these phones work all thru Colombia in any city with no long distance charges thru-out Colombia.
Hope this helps out.

Jaimito Cartero
06-22-03, 20:40
B.Player - If you're looking for longer stays, I'd recommend using frequent flyer miles to do so. No extra miles incurred, and you can change the return for $50 in most cases.

The only downside is the dates available. Sometimes you have to check around a bit, and custom tailor your trip.

I know that on Continental or NWA, it takes 35k miles for Central or South America.

The other option, if you don't have the miles yourself, is to find a travel agent consolidator that has longer length tickets cheap, or one way tickets cheap. I've used www.adventure-bound.com before for one way tickets to Costa Rica that were about 65-75% of a round trip (short time) ticket.

Antifreeze
06-23-03, 01:26
Hi guys,

Well, first the bad news. For those of you that are coming down next week (leo and B. Player), things are going to be pretty slow down here. Yes, it is a puente again (3 day weekend), and calenas love to get the hell out of the city when that happens. So, try to lower your expectations since Cali is a pretty boring place to be when it is a puente.

I'd love to meet you guys when you'll be down here. I am more of a weekday guy though (during nights and weekends, I take care of my wife and kid). But, during weekdays, this is the time that I run around and spead my genes.

I'll see if we can work out something for us to meet. I have a lot of work, but my deadline is for June 30th so that should leave us some time.

If you can change your dates to come a week later, that would be better for you since, like I said a puente weekend is just plain boring in Cali.

Aussie Greg
06-23-03, 19:14
Hi Guys,

Been here a week and just starting to catch my breath !!!

Ramon is busy with all the Gringos, will tell him to check his e-mail, his home telehone number again is 57 2 5133458

Staying down south of Cali in good area with family but carnt bring the girls home !! so I just fuck on site !!

Looking for wife but Ramon deals with the wrong type !!!

Without any Spanish is a big drawback but I'm doing my best !!

My e-mail address is gr4327@yahoo.com.au if anybody wants to go for a beer.

Been to Fresh Flowers, what a rip off, there are some good places on the Rio Cali, dont know the names but good young girls and cheep.

Long weekend this weekend, Im of to see what I can find, all the best to you.

Aussie Greg.

P.S. Went to La casa de Cervesa when Cali played Boca the other night in soccer. The chicks there ( non pro ) were the best I have ever seen in one place at any one time, blew my mind.

Poobah
06-23-03, 19:48
Antifreeze...

Is there some sort of calendar I can check to make sure my dates do not fall on a puente?

B Player
06-24-03, 09:46
Ricker, Jaimito Cartero, guys:

Thanks for all the info.

Slick: You still have to let myself or Leo know how to get ahold of you while your in Cali. E-mail me or leave a post.

Good luck and see you in Cali!

Antifreeze
06-24-03, 22:18
Poobah,

I was indeed looking for that but was not successful at spotting one. If anyone else has that information, please post those dates here because Cali is really borring during puentes.

Leo
06-25-03, 03:32
well, not sure i want to push back the begining of my trip to cali to avoid the puente... but sure can extend the return home to get some more dates not on a puente!

LatinTraveller
06-25-03, 04:31
Normally puentes are on a Monday, the bridge of the weekend, but they can fall on religious holidays and there are also local holidays.

Here are the puentes as far as I know them for then next three months:

June 30
July 20 (but this is a Sunday, and may or may not be moved to Monday)
August 7 (a Thursday and never moved but is the start of a long weekend)
August 18

Johan007
06-25-03, 19:31
Hi mongers,

has anyone
info of flights going to/from Ecuador (Quito) to CALI???
Because I recon there is the HOTTEST puzz from all Sud-Americana !!

Is it "save"....??(sofar you can use this word regarding Colombia)

I am thinking that every good monger ONCE in a lifetime should go to COlombia.
For me MAYBE this moment has come;-)

hasta la vista baby.

Johan.

Leo
06-26-03, 15:09
Slick1-

I think the weekend of the puente is this coming weekend, with Jun/30 being the holiday day - so your arrival won't be impacted... it should be normal Cali life for those dates.

I'll be arriving Friday, meeting up / staying with with B.player. Post here or email me directly sobeleo/at/yahoo/dot/com if you like that better, and we'll leave a message at the desk for you to receive upon arrival so you may find us that evening, Jul/2.

Slick1
06-27-03, 00:31
Leo
Sounds good. I'll drop you an email next week. Enjoy Cali. Stop by the Intercontinental and I don't think the puente will ruin your time. If the TLC ads are true you should have access to about 800 girls in the hotel lobby or by the pool. Give us a quick report on that scene.

Slick1
07-01-03, 11:55
Studplayer

I'll be sure to let you all know,but I don't arrive until tommorow evening. There are a few guys there right now but they are probably finding that the internet accessibility is not as abundant as in places like Buenos Aires.

Slick1
07-07-03, 02:01
Studplayer

Sorry for the lack of reports out of Cali but I was having too good a time to sit down and type. Had a lot of fun hanging out with all the guys from the forum over the last 4 days. Armani, B player, and Leo were a great group of guys to test the non pro Chippechappe mall action with, and I also enjoyed downing some brews at the Casa de Cerveza with Aussie Greg and Antifreeze. I will come right out and confess that this was not really a mongering trip from my perspective as I did spend most of my time with my cute little Calena that I met on my last trip. All of the guys said they were going to rat me out as being a true romantic, rather than a monger, so I figure I better confess from the start. I only went to the clubs and houses on my first night there and it was almost closing time so I really can't even update my last perspectives on the pay for play scene. On that night I did pick up a young cutie outside El Faragon but when we got back to the Intercontinental I had a problem with security since she did not have ID. Since it was late and I was tired I just put her back in the cab with Carlos to take home. I had no problems a month ago but my new advice is to stay away from the Inter. if you want to bring all your girls back to the hotel. It is a nice hotel but you will get killed with extra charges for bringing in Chicas. I paid nothing for my regular girl but she did have to register. I think I only escaped the extra charges because I had a friend at the front desk.
To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure that on my next trip to Cali I will partake of the P4P scene. I don't think it is even necessary. From talking to the other guys I think the consensus was that hanging out at the local spots was more fun and equally rewarding. Chippechappe and Unicenter mall were full of hot Calenas. There are beer stands that attract a lot of local girls. This trip cemented the impression in my mind that these Calenas are some of the most sexy women on earth. Feminine to the max and curves galore.The guys who did partake of the P4P scene seemed a bit underwhelmed with the casa scene but everyone was raving about just hanging out at the beer stands in the mall. Other hot spots on this trip for me were the Peluqueria ( beauty salon) up the street from the hotel along with the spa across the street. At the salon I went for a haircut and the manicurist tried to set my buddy and I up with all the girls in the place. Some were very hot. Also had a great massage from a very cute girl at the spa and then a 2nd cutie turned me into a human fruit salad with a full body treatment of all kinds of tropical fruits, honey and oatmeal. This was a completely legit place but all the girls seemed very happy to meet some gringos and were smiling out the window as we pulled away. Definetly would have asked the tall one out if I didn't already have plans. This brings me to my new perspective on Cali and that is, If you are looking for the so called girlfriend experience, not only from a club girl, but an actual girlfriend, Cali is the place. The way girls make eye contact and are so receptive to being approached is incredible. Believe me, I have never experienced anything like the women in Cali. The other guys, or shall I say the non romantics, were writing down phone numbers as fast as they could. You may have to wine and dine the girls a bit but they are great fun to be with. Another word of advice however is to learn some Spanish. It will make things easier. I am getting better but still have a long way to go.
To sum it all up, I can't wait for my next trip back to Colombia. It may not be Cali again next time, but it will definetly be Colombia. Now I also don't want to give out the impression that Cali is not without its dangers but if you play it safe they can be avoided. I have not yet had a problem but you don't want to let your guard down. The soldiers and heavy police presence are there for a reason, but from my perspective, the vast majority of Colombians are some of the most affable and engaging people I have met. If the visual presence of police with machine guns or being frisked intimidates you, Cali might not be your cup of tea. But it is cheap and the food is good. As an example, after arriving my buddy and I just wanted to relax for a while with some beers and dinner. We had Carlos take us to one of the plentiful local spots and we invited him to join us. We downed about 16 bottles of beer, had three platters of steak and parrilada and I bought 3 of the local street kids a hamburger each and the bill came to 63,000 pesos. About 21-23 dollars. And the food was good. I gave the girl 80,000 pesos and she came running out after our taxi because she wasn't even expecting the rest to be a tip. All in all I enjoyed Cali even more this time.

Oh yeah Studplayer you asked about the climate. Great. It can get warm during the day but not too bad. The nights are beautiful, although if the winds kick up down from the mountains you may need a sweater. Take care all. Would like to see some reports from the other guys in town.

Slick1
07-08-03, 04:07
I don't know why I didn't even bring a paper back for myself. All the time I was down there my friend and I talked about a return trip and renting a place instead of dealing with a hotel. My driver told me for what I pay for one night at the hotel I could rent a nice place for a week. One of the guys down there had the use of a $100,000 4 story townhome on the mountainside that was spectacular. If the purchase price was that much I can only imagine that the rentals for some pretty nice places would be cheap. I am kicking myself now for not investigating the rental scene. I will probably call my driver and see if he can get me some info. which I will gladly pass along. Doubt if they have any english language papers down there but Antifreeze would know best. Thinking already about a labor day weekend return for some fun.

Antifreeze
07-08-03, 04:47
This link brings you to classifieds that are houses for sale, and followed with rentals. Most rentals are made for Colombians only (a lot of paperwork to push, trust me I've been there), but you may be able to find a jewel in there.

http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/paisonline/clasificados/index.php?seccion=1

Antifreeze
07-08-03, 15:03
Stay away from the center (Zona Centro).

Zona Norte is probably the most secure (La Flora in specific).

Zona Sur has a bit of everything.

I don't know much about Zona Oeste and Zona Oriente.

Antifreeze
07-08-03, 20:45
Is W. looking for trouble in Colombia now?

In today's newspaper in Cali, the American embassy had an annoucement requesting all Americans to register with the Embassy. That could be a preemptive step for W. to go and get trouble in other parts of the world (Colombia).

Does the US embassy often puts such ad? Or is this something that could be considered exceptional?

I went to register on the web site as stated in the ad (http://usembassy.state.gov/colombia) and their online registry mechanism does not work. Once the form is filled, you press send and it reports some unfixable error. Uncle Sam's money at work!!! First, pay for the ad. Second, have an unprofessional programer put a little something together during his luch break. Finaly, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) everyone off by doing this...

Slick1
07-09-03, 01:26
You could be right Antifreeze. I don't know if it was you that told me or someone in my office just yesterday, that the USA govt. contracted out to private companies the job of drug surveillance over Colombia, and that one or two got shot down this weekend with 8 americans missing. Keep the Calenas safe brother.

Aussie Greg
07-09-03, 04:45
Buenos Amigos, (shit my Spanish is good now !!! )

Special hi to Antifreeze, I guess we won't be brother inlaws mate, but what a team!

Hi to Slick1 and Jamacian friend ( can't remember your name mate but hi) Good talking about the cricket!

O.K., news

If any you guys are looking for a friendly Colombiam family to live with eather short term or long term (a deal can be made for long term stay) during your visit to Cali, Ive got the place for you.

I've been here for the last month and they treat me as family.

They charge $40.00 per day which includes;

1. Bed and two meals a day, breakfast with eather lunch or dinner.

2. Pick up and return to the Airport by your very own personal body guard, also if you require your body guard service for shopping, ***** house tours ect, available 24 hours a day if required.

3. Personal recomendation by me and I think another well know person who writes on this web site who has been to parties at this house with his wife, mother inlaw during my stay here.

4. House is in the south but in a nice area.

5. Very close to some of the best ***** house out side of Centro Cali which dont see any Gringo,s, other than Antifreeze !!!!!!

6. If you only speak English like me then thats no problem with this family.

7. You only pay Colombian prices which the locals pay when you are with your body guard. Like 37 pesos for an hour with the most beautifull girl of your dreams! Very young to!

8. Very close to Cosmos Shopping Centre and also Uni Shopping Centre (Uni Shopping Centre has the best girls shopping, better than Chippychoppy)

9. You pay all costs other than the above ie, taxi, food cervesas (beers) ect.

Anyway thats the goss, will keep my storys to later on when have time.

If you require this service then e-mail me, I can put you in touch with the family.

gr4327@yahoo.com.au

All the best muchachos and adios.

Aussie Greg.

StudPlayer
07-09-03, 08:14
Slick and Antifreeze... you two are a wealth of information...

Slick I read your post in the Bs. As. section. Very interesting.

Would elaborate on when and where you are getting frisked and by whom in Cali.

Also, what are these other precautions are you taking?

I mean, how dangerous can it be there?

Turbolover
07-09-03, 11:59
Guys,

I am going to Brazil, Arg and Peru, would like to hit Columbia, but no air pass includes this combo.

Would you try to hit Columbia too (paying for ticket in a S. Ameriecan currency) if you had time, or would you make a separate trip from the United States at a different time to see Columbia and Venezuela?

Gracias

Slick1
07-09-03, 12:03
Studplayer

The precautions I take are fairly simple and include such common sense things such as not wearing any type of flashy jewlery. I don't even bring my watch. And I think it is important to have a driver that you trust, especially if you are going to use him to take you to the bank to make ATM withdrawals. I have a driver down there that I take care of well and he is a good guy to hang with. If you know no one down there take your driver in for a beer, I feel there is more safety in numbers and its better than drinking alone. The last thing would be that if you are going to meet the chicas just try to make sure that she is not with a guy. In terms of travelling and sightseeing I have gotten a lot of conflicting info from the locals themselves, so I don't know what to believe. I did go up into the mountain next to Cali to the statue of Christorey where the view of Cali and the Andes was spectacular , but you certainly don't want to go at night. I certainly don't want to sound like an alarmist because I never felt threatened in Cali, but the statistics are somewhat staggering and I don't want to be the next one. It is great fun and I can't wait to return. My chica wants me to go with her to Periera so she can show me around her home. That is supposed to be a beautiful city in the mountains. Heard some very good things about Medellin as well. Some say it is safer than Cali, others no.

As far as being a wealth of info that is where you should pick Antifreezes' mind. He lives there and knows it all and is a good guy. Me, I have just started to scratch the surface of Colombia and can only provide the newbies impressions. Later.

Slick1
07-09-03, 12:10
xthrax

From what I heard travel from Colombia to other parts of SA can be very expensive. I believe Antifreeze told me that to get to Brazil from Col. it is cheaper to fly to Miami and then down to Brazil. From my view of the Cali airport I did not see any of the other SA carriers such as Varig, but Bogota may be different.

Antifreeze
07-09-03, 15:53
You are right Slick. It is not the law of physics that drive the prices for air fares (how close you are), but the laws of economics (offer and demand). For trips like Colombia-Brazil, not much offer and even less demand so prices are way up there even though it is a country adjacent to Colombia. It is about half the price to go through Miami.

This is an insult to intelligence, but there is not much we can do about it. Good luck XThrax. If you find that I am wrong on that subject, please post your information since I do want to travel to other South-America countries also and am restricted by prices.

StudPlayer
07-10-03, 16:51
Panama City is a major hub for TACA so you may want to check the airfares from there.

I did a quick search on travelocity and for around US$600, you can fly Lloyd Aero Boliviana from Panama City and connect through Santa Cruz, Bolivia on your way to Rio. From reading this board, Santa Cruz seems to be a town worth checking out.

Leo
07-11-03, 19:10
leo and b.player are having much fun... expect a nice report with tons of detail upon my return next week, as i have no time for internet and reporting when there are so many beautiful caleñas that don´t have "no" in their vocabulary.

Slick1
07-11-03, 22:03
Leo

You're tearing me up inside. I can picture you and B. player prowling Chippechappe and unicenter every afternoon while the rest of us are stuck here getting ready for another ho hum friday afternoon happy hour. Enjoy the rest of your stay. While the puente may have gotten you off to a slow start it sound like you guys have kicked it into overdrive. Look forward to the reports.

Catire
07-16-03, 01:49
antifreeze.

I think you can get a Cali-Caracas flight for about $300US.

Come and visit me :)

Dollar Bill
07-16-03, 17:13
Antifreeze,

I know that since you are the sole gringo living in Cali, most of us feel comfortable asking you for some assistance. I gone back and read every post on this "Cali" thread because I don't want to ask something that has already been asked.

Anyway, I was in Bogota in April and I will be returning Aug 2nd for a week. The weather had been rainy and cooler, especially in the evening, and I expect the same for this trip.

After reading your posts and the others from all the other great posters on this thread, I WILL TAKE A WEEK OF VACATION AND COME TO "HEAVEN" FOR THE WEEK. My question, How is the weather there? Does it rain every day like Bogota? What types of clothes are acceptable there? In Bogota, normal "gringo wear," (jeans and tennis shoes) is out of the ordinary and draws attention. Dark "Dockers" and non-athletic shoes are more the style there. How about in Cali? Tropical wear is ok? Light colored Dockers and a golf shirt ok or is this out of the norm also?

I have lived in Mexico the last 3 1/2 years, and until April, (my first trip to Colombia), I loved it. I married a Mexican woman a couple of years ago, and if I had been to Colombia before my trip, I wouldn't have gotten married.

I feel the same as Antifreeze; my wife can give me everything I need except for variety. ONCE a monger, ALWAYS a monger. Old habits are very hard to break. Especially when you are around HOT Latinas!!!

For the week in Colombia, I never got so many looks from hot women. ALMOST NEVER IN THE US!

Anyway, If you or any of the other posters have a chance to advise me on the styles, I would be in grateful.

Thanks,

Dollar Bill$

Surfer
07-16-03, 20:06
Catire: Why would antifreeze spend 300 pesos, let alone $300 US Dollars, to go chase skirt in Caracas when he lives in paradise?
You have all this free time on your hands now so the question to be asked is "Why don't you go visit him in Cali?"

Leo
07-16-03, 22:59
I did a two week trip to Cali in Jun/Jul.

Since the primary purpose of this site is to report on pay-4-play action around the world, I don't have a huge write-up to offer... pay-4-play is not so great (compared to Brasil and Argentina, maybe Thailand or Czech) IMHO.

On the otherhand, the non-pro action is OUT OF THIS WORLD, SPECTACULAR! So, who is Cali for? Most important, it's not for the hobbiest that no longer plays the amateur game, the hobbiest that is strictly a pay-4-pay player. It is for the dude that likes both amateur and pay-4-play, and is in it for more than sex, as described below.

Is Cali for You? - I offer the following:

(1)
You are let's say younger (say 20s-40s), not too ugly (although that may not matter), relatively in shape (ie. not obese)... and who knows, even if you're not these, maybe you'll still love Cali and meet many non-pros.

(2)
You hobby not only for the sex, but also for the GFE, or the companionship (not meaning GFE in the bedroom, but GFE as a destination); you like to make a date (as in the sense of time spent with a girl, courtship, etc.), or I mean outside activities (dinner, movie, country club, etc.) of your time with a girl instead of only sex; ... then Cali may be for you.

(3)
You have some skills. I mean, you don't _only_ hobby because you dislike, or you're not good at, meeting non-pros and scoring with non-pros. On your int'l travel you like (or would like) to blend pro and non-pro action. If you still play the game (non-pro) in the U.S., but don't get quite the results you want (who doesn't want more??), and wouldn't mind playing the chase game if it was so EASY, then Cali is for you!

Guys, I really don't mean to offend anyone that doesn't fit these descriptions! I'm trying to provide detail for those that are going or contemplating a trip to Cali.

To be honest, my friends and I saw many dudes that didn't fit these descriptions, and they still loved Cali for the non-pros. I mean, there were gringos that were in their 60s, or were young but not in great physical shape, or were complete dorks in the personality area, and they all were loving Cali (granted many had paid to have introductions made through numerous services).

In Cali, the game is reversed. If you fit the description above, you take on the role of the Swedish supermodel at a college frat party! Girls stare you down, even when they are sitting with a man. You can approach any (well, just about any) women/girl and get a "yes":

"Would you like to meet sometime?"
"YES"

"May I have your number?"
"YES"
...never fake digits, they don't know that one!

...ringgg... "Want to meet me tonight?"
"YES"

Why can't the rest of the world, or the U.S. be this way?

Some girls will give it up the first date, some won't. Some are loooking for material things or golddigging (or blue-digging, as in the passport color!), some are not. This can be used to your advantage, just like they would use their assets to their advantage (I'm not saying use or mistreat girls!).

OK, details to follow in separately written posts.

Leo
07-16-03, 23:26
strip clubs / chica clubs (take out)


flores frescas:

i was so under-amazed at flores frescas. i mean, it was like i couldn't get laid!... like a was black-listed. man, do the girls have attitudes in there. here's my story:

one of our first nights of the trip, say around jun/28, and it's me, b.player, and his friend n... we also have a local caleño cabbie who is fluent in both languages. we know that the going rate is (all prices pesos) 80k for locals, maybe 120 if you get stuck paying full gringo... usualy starting price is 150k, if not us$100 (idiot gringo price)... all these are for an hour.

we all get quoted peso 150k, per hour. we each ask for the 120k - no movement from the girls. we ask for multiple hours, girls stick to 150k per, all the way up to over 1,000k for tdn!!

we had picked out three of the hottest, and even went as far to keep up the conversation right to the cabs. i mean, we watched the three hotest girls get in a taxi to leave, vs. coming with any of us.... and none of us are over 40 years and none are what i'd consider not in atheletic condition. finally, i offered my favorite 150k pesos but for something more than 1 hr (i was that ambiguous about the time requirement) and she left.

i figure the girls had other men that they had planned to meet, but we spent much time with them and they didn't appear to have spoken with that many others.

later in the trip, another friend d, did manage to have nicole (shorter, super cute face, light brown hair, nice body) meet at the apartment - 150k and she bailed as soon as he blew (40-50 minutes).

ok, our favorite girls...

evy or eveylen - smoking hot shorter light haired brunette, about 21, incredible real tits that were large for her body size. claims one child, but i couldn't tell. our friend rigo called her 'the *****', and explained a story about his son's experience with her. b.player is still working to meet her, so maybe i'll be able to update later.

johanna - super cute tiny girl, 18 yr-old, claims one child but you can't tell. only problem with this little spinner is she won't shave her legs (i asked to shave her, and she claimed some alegery) - and sorry, her legs were hairier than mine, and i couldn't do that... i'm not talking common carioca tanned fuzz here, i'm talking forest.

"21" - can't remember this girl's name, but she seemed to always wear some jeans that had a "21" on one thigh.

"butterfly" - again, can't remember her name, but she has the butterfly tatoo right on the small of her back above her ass. i tried to take her home, and offered her the 150k for 1 hr. she said she'd be at my apartament, but she no-showed.

ok, i listed all these girls to let you know that they each failed to allow any of us to spend sex time with them. thus, when you visit, and try for one of them, be prepared with some form of strategy or plan, or at least know that she is the girl of my story.

we found other locations for pay-4-play girls, none with girls quite as hot as these 4-5 girls (although all the others were similar in quality to what we found), but again, cali is not a top flight pay-4-play destination (in s.a., compared to ba or brasil, imho).


faraon:

faraon and faraon del norte (located nextdoor to each other)
calle 2 #23-48
about 4 blocks past the torre de cali tower (tallest building in cali).

i don't believe these places are owned or run by the same people. each has it's own door staff, and entry fees: 15k pesos at faraon (on left) and 10k pesos (or was it 5k pesos?) at faraon del norte (door on right).

both had the same prices for girls:
20 minutes for 30k
30 minutes for 40k
60 minutes for 50k

on my only visit to either, saturday 12-jul, i found about twice as many girls (18 vs. 9 approximately) at the del norte building. girls were mostly prettier also.

b.player and i were turned down by the 3-4 girls we asked for bbbj - all said cbj only. so we decided to skip the bjs and just do the deed. my first choice denied photos, but luckily another girl appeared just in time so i traded to her.

girls seemed to imply that we could have gotten a large room and do say an hour and swapped girls for second rounds, brasil style, but we preferred a simple shot and make tracks to the clubs (love the non-pro action in cali!).

oh, 2 soda or limonade (mix, not fresh) are included with your door charge at faraon del norte.


casas/reservados

these are places where you can do incall real cheap. from the street they look like a residential house, nothing more. the large adress plate and/or security dude (in civilian dress) give them away too.


la clinica del doctor amor:

avenida 2n 23n37 (right along the river)
hours: monday through saturday 9:00am to 10:00pm; closed on sundays
prices: 30 minutes for 25k pesos


non-pros bars/discos

since cali is such a great non-pro city (and not the greatest pay-4-play city)... and since cali has to be one of the easiest cities in the world for picky up non-pros...

here's some info on the best bars and clubs to visit, current as of my jun/jul-03 visit. the bar life is divided into the early slot, which starts as early as about 8p, and everthing must close by 2p; and the late slot, which is discos located out of main-cali that are exempt from the 2p close rule. i suppose the salsa clubs of juancito, or whatever that area is called, fall into the late slot, but i didn't experience these.


la casa de las cervesas:

a great outdoor/indoor (balconies) location for both beers (2,000, giraffa not expensive, they have all columbian brands - club, costeña, lgiths, poker) and drinks (call vodka and tequillas, whiskey likely too, cuervo margarita 8,000). this place is famous enough that all cabbies know it.


mysti-k:

pronounced (mistic-ka), this is the best disco type bar that is open in the early slot. it has a nice open air central area! no cover charge, drinks range from 10k for absolute/quattro, less than 5k for beers, 60k for small bottle of absolute (1/2 fifth?), 15k for red bull equivalent... although the music is loud in most the place, you can find nice spots where it's not (e.g. balcony, outdoor table, etc.). arrive after 10p, leave stay the night if you're not doing a 'disco', or leave about 1p to beat the crowds to the discos. many cabbies do not know this place, as famous as it is (and we couldn't believe they didn't know it!), so note it's 2 blks east of av. sexta on 25th.


forum:

this is a disco/club nextdoor to misti-k. didn't do it, but it's rocking on wednesday night which is ladies night -free drinks all night for ladies! damn, the talent going in there the one wed i was outside (going into mysti-k).

another great 'bar' option for non-pros are the kiosks in the two malls - unicentro and chipechape. the most famous of these (they have all of them in both of the two malls) is "reggae & pop". there is another one, next to a coffe kiosk more or less (in chipechape on the opposite side, next to the center area of the kiddie amusement rides area). they get busy on weekdays beginning at about 4p, and 5p-7p the really start to jam, and go into the evening, say 11p, especially on wed-sat nights. saturday days are good too, say after 2p. beers 2,400 i think, baileys 5k (girls seem to always order this), giraffa 2l 24,000, fresh limonade 1,500.


tienda vieja:

the best program for a sunday is to hit tienda vieja by 6p.

tienda vieja full of non-pro hotties, but you won't find any (well, many) gringos here. most any cabbie will know of it, but if not it's located at "autopista con 44". they play salsa and other local music, and the girls love to dance.

the place is more or less divided into two section as part of the place has a very much indoor feel (hotter, smokier, the albeit high ceiling seems low) and the other half of the place has a very much outdoor feel (high ceiling seems not there, lots of breeze, feels like an outdoor plaza). there are tables everywhere, with two dance floors (one in each area) - but the tables are all taken by 6p.

beers are cheap, an almost fifth of absolute (what's the 4/5s a 5th?) is 60k, i don't believe you can order a cocktail. food is lower quality (think bar food). the place is next door to a rather well known and very good restaraunt called ranchero de jonas.

closes after 11p, although it peaks before 10p. this is a sunday place, although maybe open saturday... not any other days/nights. cover is 3k.


ok, the discos

baioa (or something like that):

this place was packed the one night we went, but it was so loud and all tables so we had no change to even approach girls. thus, a total waste in my book... unless you are bringing a date to dance electronic music (grrrr).


mission:

in yumbo, north of cali, we hit this on consecutive saturday nights. one had a party of visiting djs, and damn, the hottest girls of my trip were there. i met the girl of my dreams that night (non-pro). of course, lots of drug dudes and the entourages of girls... so be careful who you approach. one the next saturday night, with no special event, the place was empty! so, ask around first... 15k cover charge for the night of the event, 10k for the 'normal' night. no cocktails sold, bottle service only (although not expensive). only electronic music.


oxs (or something like that):

nice spot up on the hill. more salsa than electronic music. not the greatest selection of girls the one saturday night we hit it, maybe on others... but great late spot if you have a girl (and she's not coming to your apartment...).


noise:

lots of the girls go to this place. music must vary by night or by time, salsa and/or electronic. we paid no cover on one saturday, but i seem to remember a cover charged on one thursday.


hotel

hostal san fernando:

calle 3, 27-87
phone: +57 (2) 556-4818
prices: from $22 us per night
http://www.calihotel.com/
calihotel@hotmail.com

not really a hostal, but not exactly a hotel.

location is excellent, in the very safe and mellow neighborhood of san fernando. nearby:

dry cleaners (3 or 4 within 0.5-2 blocks)

grocery store (2 blocks, including small pharmacy)

atms (2 are 2 blocks away, 2 others 3 blocks away, and the one at the grocery store is the only atm we found that would give 400k instead of a limit of 300k per transaction)

fruit juice / smoothie spot (3 blocks)

rigoberto (rigo) is the proprietor, and he is super nice, and fluent in english, too (lived in us many years). his internet is slow, so better to hit chipechape, or the great i-cafe in the lobby of the rayda apartments, across from the hotel intercontinental casino.

the staff (girls that do the rooms) are super nice! they will do your laundry for you, although their prices are as much, if not a little more, than the neighborhood cleaners. the phone charges are slightly more than a telecabine: 300/minute for local and 1,600 per minute for cells).

it's a little quirky that you have to have rigo or one of the girls unlock the gate for you with each arrival or departure, but then the place sure is secure.

the airconditioner units are strong! but the fuse blew many times, like almost once per day, during our visit. the typically will fix it immediately, but once rigo was away and it took many hours (tv was thus down also).

water pressure was super!

typical sampling of tv channel options.

you get free access to the club san fernando, a nice high end (for cali) country club with huge pool (fun 5m high dive), restaurant, message, tennis courts, bowling, [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) hall, steam/sauna/hotub. this is a great option for day dates!

they require payment in cash! no credit cards. so use your atm to grab a lot of pesos, as their exchange rate sucked - only 2700 (vs. the interbank rate of around 2860). note, the cambia houses/desks and/or banks likely only gave 2700 or less, maybe only 2500... but that doesn't mean 2700 doesn't suck (sorry rigo).


random other stuff

phone/internt charges:

gsm just hit cali in jul-03. i don't know if you can buy a sim card, but you can buy an unlocked phone for about us$60, and i assume pull the card. no plan is required, and you can from there simply buy cards/codes for usage.

at telecabines the standard is 200 per minute for local calls, and range 500-800 per minute for cellular.

you may also find hawkers along av. sexta that carry cell phones, and allow you to call a cell phone on them for 500 per minute.

internet ranges at 2,000 - 4,000 per hour.


wines:

i'm a amateur collector of reds. i searched long and hard to find a quality wine store in cali. i was looking for top end reds of chile and argentina. don't try carrefour, you won't find them there.

your real only choice is la cava in normandia (a convenient location, not far from the hotel intercontinental), at avenida 4-oeste # 1-108, 892-1319. hours in july were 4p-1a.

we were able to purchase lagarde (they had cab '96, crianza '97, syrah ?, malbec ?) from argentina, and i remember montes and montes alpha of chile (with many others of chile).

the staff is helpful, but be sure to ask if they've personally tried the bottle your discussing, and the prices are great.

Catire
07-17-03, 00:36
Surfer, antifreeze expressed an interest in visiting other cities in the south american region.

Hence my offer.

As to my going there, that would make it a tourist trip with tourist type costs involved, costs I am not willing to incur at the moment.

Headhunter2000
07-17-03, 08:56
Thank you, Leo, for those two excellent posts. I will print them out and use them as a travel guide. You told us everything we need to know, without adding in any extra BS that we don't need to know. A 5-star post.

Leo
07-17-03, 17:23
gracias... just the fact, sir.

Dollar Bill
07-17-03, 23:38
Antifreeze -

Please see my post back a little ways on date 7/16. I am a regular member and Jackson just approved to post. It fell back to when I wrote it, not as the newest post to this section.

Thanks,

Dollar Bill$

B Player
07-17-03, 23:51
Antifreeze

Still in Cali, my report will come later, no time to waste now with soo much action around.

Antifreeze, do you know an English speaking real estate agent and possibly a lawyer? I am thinking about renting an apartment for a year, soo any other information on how to make this process easy would be great.

Leo is right. I haven't heard the word "NO" in allmost 3 weeks. Life is great down here. I want to be just like you antifreeze, well at least a part time resident.

Surfer
07-18-03, 02:09
Leo, Your reporting is spot on! Was there in May, and going back in 2 weeks. The one requirement for doing well with nonpros that you omitted was language ability; VERY few speak even passable Engish (Cali is NOT Copacabana or Recoleta).

I, too, never made it to the salsatecas in Juanchito but hope to this trip. GREAT report.

Leo
07-18-03, 03:13
I completely agree about the language requirement - so much so that I ommitted it because it's so obvious. You're not gonna have fun with amateurs in any country if you don't speak the language - in Brasil, B.A., or Columbia.

Judd
07-18-03, 06:42
Dollar Bill:

I mongered in Cali a couple of years ago in the July/Aug months. It rained off an on reminding me of spring showers in the states. It is still warm and somewhat humid during the day and cools off in the evening. You will be fine with a light jacket.

Cali is the opposite of Bogota with regards to dresswear. In Bogota, Colombian dress is more conservative and professional, whereas Cali is laid back and casual. Gringo wear (jeans and sneakers) actually fits in quite well in Cali since you rarely see the colombian dudes wearing shorts. When hitting the clubs, anything is fair game so attention grabing attire is a good thing. A hipp Hugo Boss type shirt will garner looks from the chicas. The Hawaiin shirts were still popular If I remember correctly.

I also seem to remember this being a good time to pick up amateur puss as there wasn't any school during this time of the year. Like others have stated, ChipeChape is the mecca for picking up amateurs. If one know Spanish, one could easily get 2 to 3 numbers in an afternoon. There is also another mall on the other side of town that you might try. I believe it's called Centro.

I'm sure Slick or Antifreeze can elaborate more on these subjects since I was there a few years ago. Good Luck!

Late,

Judd

Antifreeze
07-18-03, 15:48
Cali is not goog for P4P!!! Did I read that well??? Well, what do you guys need??? Because a woman is intelligent enough not to perform BBBJ on you doesn't make the destination unattractive for P4P, as a matter of fact, it's the other way around.

Thank God they don't go that way, consequently increasing odds of spreading things around.

In Cali, you can get a georgious girl as a wife for an half hour that will cost you less than $10... As you go to those places, they do not send a cow sitting on your side to harrass you for money for an half hour. They all line up, and shake your hand while stating their names, and you call the one you want. Slip her a $10, and get to work. She'll open her legs - there's no such thing as a girl that is a prostitute and feel that your hands can't go down. The Hell slip your thung in there if you want. Then, there's no such thing as getting into a room and the girl asking for another $5 to take her bra off. God I don't miss the US!!!

Well, I must respectfully disagree. Cali is the best P4P city that I've seen. It is not Brazil, but it also doesn't have Brazil prices... And Colombian women are unbeatable. They can make excellent girlfriends as well as terrific wives (can't say that about most Brazilian women).

As for how to dress in Colombia, I agree that jeans are OK, but stay away from sneakers. Colombian woman look at a man from bottom to top with the shoes being their first stop. Sneakers is written GRINGO in flashing neon... And it is not appealing to them. You can go downtown and get a good pair of shoes for about $15, and they just like that.

In the US, to have a leasure appearance is appealing since it shows women that you can pay yourself some vacation once in a while. In Colombia, it's the work type appearance that works since it shows women that you can afford to work...

Dollar Bill
07-18-03, 16:05
Thanks to both Judd and Antifreeze for getting my styling correctly! I really appreciate your advice!

Marino
07-18-03, 17:45
Well, I must respectfully disagree. Cali is the best P4P city that I've seen. It is not Brazil, but it also doesn't have Brazil prices... And Colombian women are unbeatable. They can make excellent girlfriends as well as terrific wives (can't say that about most Brazilian women).[/i]I'm having conflict impression about amateur Calenas here after reading all these posts about them.

If a regular girl is so easy to pick up, and their attitude toward leisure sex is not restrained at all, how can they be a good wife, a good girl friend I won't argue, but a good faithful wife?

Leo
07-18-03, 20:16
Originally posted by Antifreeze
Cali is not goog for P4P!!! Did I read that well??? Well, what do you guys need??? Because a woman is intelligent enough not to perform BBBJ on you doesn't make the destination unattractive for P4P, as a matter of fact, it's the other way around.

...

Well, I must respectfully disagree. Cali is the best P4P city that I've seen. It is not Brazil, but it also doesn't have Brazil prices... And Colombian women are unbeatable. They can make excellent girlfriends as well as terrific wives (can't say that about most Brazilian women).

...


NO, YOU DID NOT READ THAT WELL!!

I said Cali as a pay-4-play destination is not that great. I didn't say it wasn't good, as you imply I wrote. Even you can be quoted saying "it's not Brasil". Well, no, it's not. Brasil is great, Cali isn't Brasil.

Also, I NEVER provided as a reason for my opinion (and it's an opinion, no need to be upset) that one casa's chicas lack of offering BBBJ had anything to do with my opinion. That note was only offered to help others. It's completely false to deduct that this note has any part of my arrival at my concluding opinion.

I would save the word great for a handful of destinations. IMO Cali is not in that handful. It's still good, of course... better than good. Even better, you must be able to note, that my primary reason for my opinion of Cali as a lesser (than the very top) pay-4-play location is that it's so good for non-pay play! If you can't see that I share the opinion that Caleñas may make excellent girlfriends and/or wifes, well, then you must have not understood my posts.

Judd
07-18-03, 22:19
Antifreeze:

Goodpoint about the shoes and P4P. I remember my buddy, Ramon, emailing me before my trip to make sure my shoes to looked sharp. Chicks...its always about the shoes!!!!

I went to a strip club very near the Hotel InterC. I picked this girl who had a beautiful round big butt (her face was marginal). We screwed all night and into the next afternoon. I had a total of 5 rounds with her and it set me back $60,000. Back then the exchange rate was 3,000 to one. I got one of my most enjoyable bang sessions for about $20 bucks! The clubs are not as plentiful and sometimes harder to find then say a place like BA, but you can find some real gems in those clubs.

Do you know anything about the mall on the other side of town? Is it still a good place for amateur action?

Late,

Judd

Slick1
07-19-03, 03:45
Hey Judd, Hope all is well. The mall on the other side of town I believe is called Unicenter and it is worth the trip. Same Reggae and pop beer stands and many beautiful Calenas walking around just ready to stare you down. Only about 20 minutes from the area around the Intercontinental. I have been told that if you want to stay on that side of town that the Pacifico Royal Hotel may be cali's best. Have not verified this fact. But I can verify that a late afternoon and evening at the Reggae and Pop in Unicenter is just as good as Chippechappe.

Catire
07-20-03, 01:47
Hawaiian shirts?

In a Latin country?

that´s pretty funny. YOU wear one.

Kdog
07-20-03, 02:11
Brazil vs. Cali

I've been to Brazil several times and Cali many times. If I were going for straight non-pro sex, I would choose Brazil. If I was looking for a relationship or pro sex, I would choose Cali.

The regular women in Brazil (outside Rio and Sao Paulo) are unbelieveably easy. I'm just a regular American guy and about 50% of the times I've gone to a regular club I've taken a beautiful girl to one of those Brazilian rent-by-the-hour sex hotels (I foget what they're called) within a few hours without much romancing.
However, these are not women I would consider marrying, and in fact, they have no desire for marriage or even a relationship.

The regular women in Cali are not quite as easy, but are much more genuine and seem interested in developing a relationship. Also, they are much more interested in you, as opposed to the Brazilian women who actually make me feel like I'm being used for sex (but I love it!).

As Antifreeze pointed out, the pros in Brazil are much more expensive. The only advantages I can see to Brazil pros are they're easier to get to your hotel (although next to the IC hotel, there is that club called Escobar that has women more than willing to go to your hotel) and there is more variety (blacks, whites, blondes, etc.). Also, Brazil's scene is more organized. All this doesn't offset the high cost though.

I do have a plea for anyone going to Cali. Please please keep the prices low and treat the women well. These are kind, beautiful, and for the most part innocent women. If you want to treat the girl like a ****, go to Brazil, they seem to love it!

-Kdog

XXL
07-21-03, 13:59
Brazil vs. Cali (= Brazil vs. Colombia)

I couldn't resist putting my grain of salt to this thread because I experienced both places and they are rather different in spite of geographic and cultural closeness.

In my view, Brazil no longer a developping country and it shows. X-rated entertainment is highly organized and highly professional. Girls are proud to be earning money on the game and they fancy themselves as "pros", i.e. women who can be financially self-supporting by selling sex for money and owe nothing to men or Society. In fact, it is not exaggerated to say that what you get in Sao Paulo now is what you got in Frankfurt (Germany) 15 years ago (same prices, same commercial sex on offer).

This doesn't mean sex in Brasil is bad, or worse than anywhere else, just that one shouldn't expect much in terms of a "special relationship" or GFE experience. Many mongers would disagree with this, but I think they don't realize how little Brazilian girls are interested in a long-term relationship because they (the mongers) don't speak the lingo. This may seem paradoxical, but the less proficient you are in a language, the more delusions you entertain.

Brazilian women don't need visas to enter the EU so this may be a further reason not to "need" a European boyfriend. Some older women (30-40) may be interested in marriage though, as they feel that time is running out. But if you're out finding a smashing 20-year-old to be your girl-friend, forget it!

Colombia is less advanced on the road to modernity (and feministic hegemony) than Brazil. Girls need a visa to go anywhere so they may "need" you. And girls will also be more desperate for contacts with foreigners, especially in some towns where tourists seldom turn up. Likewise more girls in Colombia will be desperate to get away from violent husbands and warfare than in relatively peaceful Brazil.

All the same, if you're looking for things like: barebacking, GFE, smashing 20-year-olds etc., I would rank Colombia above Brazil, but still far behind other countries in some parts of the world.

xxl

Antifreeze
07-21-03, 16:11
Leo,

I am sorry if I misinterpreted your post. Be assure that I do not want to offend anyone on this boeard regardless of their opinions.

Antifreeze

Poobah
07-21-03, 18:34
For someone who wears tennis shoes in work and play, what kinds of 'nice shoes' do you members buy?