Medellin Reports

[Huacho]

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigos_con_derechos

Amigos con derechos is the commonly used term in many parts of latam. My mistake was gender-based I. E. Derechas instead of derechos.Understood. I've heard both, as well as amigos sin compromiso (s). You can see from the movie title translations, it's pretty regional. The 'a roce' part, guessing you would not hear that outside of Spain.

[MaddTraveler]

Be carefully drinking generally with women here. Don't let them set the pace. I made a mistake last weekend that was a real wakeup call for me personally, so I'll share. I date a bunch here as well as seeing some pros. Anyway I invited a girl to lunch last Saturday, and also had a date set up that night. Things went really well with the first girl. We got along well, good convo, to the point we went to a bar and were kissing. Eventually the convo turned to going back to my place. I'd told her that I had plans that night and as we were arriving at my place she asked if I was seeing another woman. I admitted yes but that I wanted to spend more time with her as we were getting along. Anyway she said cool and let's order some aguardiente and dance. The mistake I made with her there was letting her set the pace drinking. I was probably being a bit macho but some of these girls can drink and she could dance too. So I let myself get carried away. I was keeping an eye and serving but she was pushing to do another and another shot. Anyway I got pretty drunk with her over a couple hours and was not thinking of the other date at all at that point. She said she wanted to take some pictures with me on my phone and did. Before you know it she's messaging the girl I was supposed to see from my phone saying I'm too drunk to go out and sending her a photo of her and I kissing. I get the feeling she was jealous and wanted to cock block me. But I was pretty clearly played by her. Luckily she didn't steal anything or harm me. But she could have. She even apologized the next day. But my mistake was thinking 1) aguardiente isn't that strong and 2) a little 120 pound woman couldn't outdrink me. Lessons are 1) don't get pressured into drinking heavily here by anyone especially if you don't know them. Colombians love to drink and can apply peer pressure pretty hard. 2) Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy). 3) Be careful generally. I've spent a bunch of time in Colombia and generally think I'm pretty safe. But I fuck up from time to time as well. The point is to learn from your mistakes and also the mistakes of others. I've never been robbed here or been in any uncomfortable situations. I've also had some amazing experiences and made some great connections.I don't think you made any mistakes. When I feel the vibe I just go with the flow and enjoy it. However I never get totally drunk and always fully aware of what's going on. The fact that you did that, I'd say that's enough and same thing with instincts as you can tell who's a decent / normal girl vs a sneaky one that would rob you. Most guys who get drugged to tell the tale usually admits they themselves noticed the red flags and ignored them. Didn't sound like you noticed any major flags.

The pic sending thing is normal, LOL. Seriously girls are petty and they do that. If anything that'll get you more play as your 2nd date will know you have options. It is a thing.

Even with all the bad news locally you still have to enjoy your life a bit. Live with no regrets, just control the odds a bit more next time and your straight. Back in town this Weekend and my wives are all line up LOL. Lets go!!

[Belem148]

Right on. That's never failed me going to places like Gustos. Get their WhatApp and contact them the next day and 300 k or less is no problem. If you absolutely have to do them that night when you meet them in the club, you'll likely have to pay up.

I also like the way you told her you'd do all night for X amount if you had good chemistry. Test drive short time is always a good idea before committing to more time together.I prefer to turn a long time into a short time if it's not going well.

[ChicagoMan]

Alright, my buddy and I need help.

I've been coming here for four years and he's been living here for six months in a very committed relationship with a beautiful Colombian.

Tomorrow, he has his first six hour window of freedom in six months. He badly needs a break from his commitment.

Here's the problem, I've seriously done it all. Probably not all. But I can't decide what's the best option for this tiny window. Take him to casas? He hates el Centro and street walkers. Just looking for any ideas to jog the ol party bank. We're looking to make a memory.

Thank you all. Sorry that you have to put up with my brain fart.

[Bill]

Alright, my buddy and I need help.

I've been coming here for four years and he's been living here for six months in a very committed relationship with a beautiful Colombian.

Tomorrow, he has his first six hour window of freedom in six months. He badly needs a break from his commitment.

Here's the problem, I've seriously done it all. Probably not all. But I can't decide what's the best option for this tiny window. Take him to casas? He hates el Centro and street walkers. Just looking for any ideas to jog the ol party bank. We're looking to make a memory.

Thank you all. Sorry that you have to put up with my brain fart.Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.

[Dcfan77]

She will do the leche test.


Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.

[Dcfan77]

Even more to think about. Who's cheating on who. LOL.


Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL..

[Recondite]

I'd agree with your definition in principle. In my experience, girls fit on a whole spectrum from pro as hell (I. E., USD per hour), though she's buying me drinks and small gifts and has paid for all her own transportation. Where I personally draw the line between nonpro and semipro is whether I'm strictly paying her car and babysitter or she's happy to take a little more money. If I ask her how much she needs for her taxi and babysitter after sex and she comes back with "da me lo que quieres," then she's getting into semipro or, as I like to say, postpago, territory. Now, I think many Colombian women wouldn't see it this way. There is a common culture here of boyfriends or guys paying for nails, hair, etc. But I see it this way, and you do, too.

Also, you are 100% right about the correlation between her having a job (I won't even go out with a girl on a date if she's unemployed), what barrio she lives in, and overall appearance (I. E. How conservatively does she dress, how many tattoos and what size, and being a good girl/nonpro that is a safer date. But I honed in on these things over time as I got more familiar with Medellin and Colombia.


What is your definition of nonpros? Mine is chicks that are not hookers and are not expecting money after having sex. With my definition, I have been through more nonpros in Colombia than a little bit over the last 20 years. I would say my risk of being drugged by them was zero. This is normal chicks with normal jobs and families. I am not speaking of someone that has popped out of the barrio with a bunch of tattoos ready to party and only wants "taxi money". I am talking about someone that has to be at work or school tomorrow morning at 8 am.

[Combo]

Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.I know you're joking, but I agree with this view. If it's legitimately a committed relationship and he wants it to continue that way, why risk her finding out? There's a good chance she will try to get someone to watch / follow you.

[MongerHunger]

Alright, my buddy and I need help.

I've been coming here for four years and he's been living here for six months in a very committed relationship with a beautiful Colombian.

Tomorrow, he has his first six hour window of freedom in six months. He badly needs a break from his commitment.

Here's the problem, I've seriously done it all. Probably not all. But I can't decide what's the best option for this tiny window. Take him to casas? He hates el Centro and street walkers. Just looking for any ideas to jog the ol party bank. We're looking to make a memory.

Thank you all. Sorry that you have to put up with my brain fart.Now his girlfriend has a 6 hour window of opportunity. If he needs a break from his commitment then she definitely needs a break from him and she is happy that he will be gone for 6 hours so she can have her fun too and Pablo has been waiting for her to signal that the time is right. Take your friend to a case so he can pick from a line up of his choosing. Tell him to try not to think about what his girlfriend will be doing while he's gone and just to focus on the mission at hand. Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.

[KapnAmerica]

I am writing this report more than 2 weeks after the fact, but better late than never, I suppose.

My return flight from Lima on Thursday, June 13th had a long layover in Medellin, one that became much longer thanks to the flooding in Ft. Lauderdale which caused the Florida Governor to declare a state of emergency. The next available flight was in the wee hours of the morning on Saturday, June 15th. I was actually a bit amused by the situation, as there are many worse places to be stranded than Medellin on a Thursday & Friday night. But there are also better places as well.

The immigration line was chock full of foreigners. Any foreigner who visits Medellin finds out very soon after arrival that this city is not happy to see you. They have no problem making you stand for up to 2 hours in line just to get your passport stamped. With little to no air conditioning, no food, no water, and no bathroom (unless you want to lose your place in line). There are six customs agents who perform the task of manually processing a line of hundreds of foreigners. It almost seems at times like they want to make the experience as slow and painful as possible to deter people from coming to the city. I honestly believe that it would be faster and more comfortable in many cases to fly directly to Bogota or Cartagena from a foreign location just to go through immigration (which takes just a few minutes) and then hop on a domestic flight to Medellin. I would be willing to bet someone who did that could make it to MDE ground transportation sooner than a person who flew directly to Medellin and landed at around 1:00 pm.

How is it that cities like Bogota and Lima with many times more population and visitors can process foreigners in just a matter of minutes? I spent over an hour and a half in the immigration line in Medellin and there were many people behind me who had to wait longer than that. The message is pretty clear. Medellin is, at best, ambivalent about whether you spend your tourist dollars in their city. At worst, they would prefer that you turn around and go back home. I was really amazed at the number of foreigners who stood in line and waited for what seemed like an eternity with smiles on their faces, like they were about to enter Disney World. If the immigration officials told them to drop their pants and spin around in a circle ten times while jumping, they probably would have gladly done it. Wise up, folks. There are many better places in world to visit than a city that openly has contempt for tourists.

But being stuck as I was, I really had no choice. I sucked it up and made it through the line.

As far as getting to the city, I have become quite fond of riding the bus to the San Diego Centro Comericial for 15 k pesos. It is as fast as the taxi, nearly as comfortable, and no need to make small talk. It is about a 200 meter walk from the bus stop to the Centro Comercial, but once you get there you have plenty of options to grab a bite to eat, buy water, snacks and other essentials from the Exito, and exchange currency. The best rate I found was at Euro Servicios at the north end. They offered 3. 82 mil per dollar at a time when the "official" rate shown on Google was 4. 145 mil per dollar. Wasn't thrilled about it, but it was better than the rate I get at my bank at home and way better than the rate offered at the airport.

The taxi or Uber to your hotel should not cost more than 20 k pesos, so in all it saves a good 70-80 k pesos to hop on the bus, which basically pays for dinner and the Exito trip itself. And of course the bus stores your luggage for the trip, so you are riding in relative comfort and safety. It makes a lot of sense. The only downside is there is no air-conditioning on the bus, so make sure to sit by a cracked window. (Also no air conditioning in most Medellin Ubers, and it is rarely sweltering hot, so not a huge drawback).

Gusto's: I figured I would check out the scene at Gusto's Bar in Lleras Park for Thursday night. I was kept away by rain during my first pass through Medellin earlier in the month. It was raining again on the 13th, but I borrowed an umbrella from the hotel. I arrived a little before 11 pm and I don't recall being charged a cover at the door. It is usually 20 k pesos.

Many chicas inside (probably 25-30) and a very favorable chica to guy ratio with the guys being in the single digits. I sat beside another American guy at the bar and we both bought a bottle of water for around 18 k pesos. I scanned the room but did not see any chicas that looked like amateurs or semi-pros. They all looked like hardcore pros, staring at me with dollar signs in their eyes. One chica who was built like Kim Khardashian and dressed in a cute little jumpsuit outfit caught my eye and seemed at least mildly friendly so I invited her over to sit by me. We chatted for a little while and she asked me to buy her a drink. I usually don't do that, but she seemed nice enough so I figured what the heck. Cost was 42 k. One nice thing about Gusto's is they have a professional DJ so the music and vibe is top notch (but deafening). My chica began dancing and grinding against me, which I very much enjoyed and made the drink I bought her seem worth it. Soon she proposed going to my hotel for three hours for 1. 2 million pesos. I said how about one hour for 400 k. She countered with 500 k and I kind of shrugged. I said I probably wanted to go to some other clubs first. She said let's go, and I followed her out of the club and downstairs. When we got downstairs, I suggested we go to one of the clubs across the street. She was much more interested in going back to my hotel. At that point, I was very sure that I did not want to take this girl back to my hotel. She was a very pretty high end WG, maybe early 30's, at least an 8 on most scales. But her body was way to curvy for my tastes. A nice tight stomach and cute face but with Beyonce or Kim Khardashian type proportions. And I could tell by her personality that she was way too experienced and was likely to be either trouble or poor service. So there was zero chance she was coming back with me.

I told her that it was late and I was probably going to just go back to my hotel and rest. The chica felt like I was scared she was going to drug me, so she started telling me how she was very safe and she knew the owner of Gusto's, who she said was a foreigner himself, and that all the girls there are safe. She also said she couldn't return to the club after walking out. I apologized but told her that was really not my problem. She immediately reduced the price to 400 k. I told her it still was a "no" for me. Around that time, she gestured for one of the door guys at Gusto's to come over and join the conversation. I explained to him that I was tired and planned to go back to the hotel alone. He said ok, but you should at least tip the girl for her time. I told him I already bought her a drink at the bar so that was my tip. He suggested I tip her 100 k pesos. For what? That pissed me off. I said how about 20 k pesos. He laughed and said 20 k is nothing, like $5 man. I said ok, how about 10 k pesos. Same reaction. So I pulled a crisp 5 k peso note out of my wallet and offered it to her. She backed away from it like it was a pair of dirty underwear. I put the note back in wallet. She then turned to the guy and asked if she should call the police. I tried hard not to smirk as the guy gave her an incredulous look and told her that no one should call the police. Did she really think the police were going to come and scold or arrest me for NOT engaging in temporarily banned prostitution? That comment just confirmed that I 100% made the right decision by not going any further with that chica. I told both of them feliz noche, and turned and walked out of the park.

Needless to say, I don't advise doing what I did, especially if you plan to returning to the area soon. There is no way of knowing what kind of connections a chica has and it's never a good idea to piss people off when in a foreign country. I don't plan on going back to Gusto's again any time in the near future. But it did feel quite satisfying to give the proverbial middle finger to two entitled Colombians who saw me as just another dumb tourist to be shaken down.

Fase II: After leaving Parque Lleras, I grabbed a bite to eat and then headed to Fase II for the second time in as many weeks. I arrived at around 1:00 am And the talent level was much higher than I had ever seen it. After paying a 40 k cover, I bought my standard 10 k bottle and sat down on a bar stool right between two chicas who, in all honesty probably could both push for being 9's on some scale. One was an absolute stunner, tall and fit with what looked to be Asian features and piercing eyes. She could easily have been a professional model. I chatted with her for a while, and she tried to fake some enthusiasm, but it soon became clear to me that she had zero interest in anything but my money. She claimed to be burned and raised in Medellin and said she was 100% paisa. Doubtful. I sensed she was just going through the motions and completely lost interest.

So I swiveled in my chair and began talking to the other 9 sitting on my left, who seemed quite a bit more eager for my attention. She was slim and was wearing a classy but revealing evening dress with short hair that ended just below her jaw. Imagine a very young version of Morena Baccarin. Very light skin; she almost looked more European than Latina. She told me she was a 24-year-old college student majoring in fashion design. That made a lot of sense given her dress and hair style. She had a very classy and sophisticated air. Claimed to have been born raised in Medellin. (Doubtful.) We started talking about the places we had visited and she told me how she had been to Italy and showed me several pictures. Talked about how the fashion designs she saw in Italy inspired her. All of this was in Spanish, of course. Neither of these chicas spoke one word of English. But having been in Latin America for about two weeks at this point, my Spanish ability was really starting to peak and I was actually enjoying having some pretty engaging conversations. Neither of the girls asked me to buy them a drink, which I appreciated. Of course, the entire time we talked, I was having to tip the dancers who made their rounds after coming off stage, 2 k to 4 k pesos each. I would estimate I shelled out 18 k pesos in tips.

Well, we talked for probably 45 minutes, and what happened next was against my better judgment but completely inevitable. I ended up taking her to the back room for the standard 400 k pesos. There just was simply no way I could pass up a young, pretty and intelligent college girl who had traveled the world. She was a very different type of girl than I was used to meeting in Medellin, and a very different look than I was used to seeing in Latin America. So I had to sample.

The process at Fase II is to pay 400 k at the end of the bar, then go through a backdoor into a open hallway type area with what appear to be hotel rooms and a front desk. The girl gets a key from the front desk, and a condom I think, and then you both proceed to the assigned room. In the room, I went down on her with the dental dam for what seemed like an eternity, with little noticeable effect on her. She then gave a very spirited covered blowjob, keeping eye contact with me almost the entire time. We fucked in missionary and doggie, but when any illusion that she was enjoying sex vanished when I pulled out and changed condoms. She started to get in the shower, and I was confused. Are we done? She said that her job was "over" after one condom. I told her that I usually go through multiple condoms. By this point, her demeanor had entirely changed from warm (at the bar), to luke warm (on the way to the room), to frosty. She lectured me on how that's not allowed at Fase II. After some back and forth, she did seem to feel bad for me and offered to continue with the second condom but emphasized that I needed to finish very soon. So I give her credit for that. She started blowing me again, but my mood was already shot. No way I was going to be able to meet her strict time demands, so why even start. I told her it was fine and let's just end it. I walked out of the room feeling unsatisfied, disappointed, and sad. Sad that I had once again been duped into shelling out money for a meaningless and unsatisfying experience. I didn't even ask her for her WhatsApp, which is a very low bar for me. I just did not want to see that girl again. She blew me a kiss as she walked back into the bar, and I reluctantly returned the gesture. I got an Uber and returned to the hotel, feeling down and defeated.

Bottom line, Fase II and Gusto's are just not the places for me. They are kind of the epitome of everything that is wrong with the oversaturated Medellin mongering scene. Fase II would have been a fine option if I had just gone there just to talk to girls. The conversation with the second girl was great and I was enjoying my time. However, taking her to the back room was a mistake. A complete waste of money that dented my confidence and morale. Pretty sad when the only thing that ruins your night is getting laid. It is another lesson learned though, and seeing the difference between the girl at Fase II and the girls in Lima taught me quite a bit about the type of girls I enjoy having sex with and the type of girls I would be better off to avoid. The difference between me stumbling out of Room 32 at Lima's Las Sirenitas chongo, punch drunk with satisfaction and oozing swagger and confidence, and coming out of the room at Fase II, sad and disillusioned, is just so stark. But hey, mongering can't be all rainbows and butterflies. Hard lessons must be learned.

Total damage for the night at both clubs, including drinks and Uber fare: 580 k pesos. Total number of nuts: zero. Talent level: high and plentiful. Satisfaction: low.

El Centro: On Friday, I decided to make my first mongering excursion to El Centro in the heart of Medellin. I had been to Plaza Botero before, but only to sight-see with my girlfriend.

I arrived at around 5:45 at Plaza Botero. On the way there, my Uber driver drove through the barrio just north of the Plaza, called Estacion Villa. It was probably the roughest looking place I've ever been through. Garbage piled up on the street, homeless and deranged looking people wandering everywhere. It made the homeless area in Santa Fe, Bogota look very tame in comparison. As we got closer to Botero, the environment cleared up a bit. Once I got out of the Uber, I walked along the north side of Botero and saw only two chicas who *might* have been WGs. Both looked like they were in their 40's, probably homeless, and one was squatting down with her dress pulled up to her knees and was taking a piss in a sewer drain not far from one of the statues. That told me all I needed to know about the streetwalker scene in that area.

I proceeded on to a bar that has been described in this thread as Conejitas. The bar has apparently been renamed "Hilton Grill". I went inside and found a stage with a pole and two chicas sitting at the tables. The prices at the bar were shockingly cheap. A bottle of water cost 5 k pesos. I think a beer cost 6 k or 7 k. If you really wanted to splurge and buy a "lady drink" - una bebida dama. That would set you back a whopping 8 k. I talked briefly to one of the chicas. She said that 100 k pesos buys 30 minutes of sex in the back room. I probably could have gotten the price lower but she had a cold personality and I wasn't interested. I confirmed that more chicas would show up later in the evening and promised to return.

I then took an Uber to visit the fabled "New Life Casa" - a brothel so famous among Medellin mongers that it has its own thread in this forum. For you fine gentlemen who have visited this establishment, I have just one question for you. Where the hell is it? I vaguely remember reading a post on this forum many moons ago that it was difficult to find and not to trust Google. Well, I trusted Google. I went to exactly where "New Life" appears on Google Maps. CL. 66 C #41 A 26. I ended up at what appeared to be someone's house, right at the moment the resident was arriving home with his girlfriend. He asked if he could help me. (Very nice guy, I shudder to imagine how someone in the US would react if a stranger showed up on their doorstep in pitch darkness). He directed me down the street and up a steep hill. I went down a dark alley and ran into three guys. They directed me back to where I was before. I walked in circles for several minutes. Many people in the area, many taxis, but zero places that looked like they could be brothels. Was this place even open at 6:45 pm? I didn't know. I eventually gave up and took a taxi back to Botero.

I returned to Hilton Grill a little after 7 pm and two chicas had become nine chicas. There were about the same number of guys, most of them looked like working class local Colombians. One of the chicas was Asian with glasses, probably mid to late 30's, and she seemed desperate for my attention. I was not interested. The other eight showed no interest in me at all. Not even a flirtatious glance. One was pretty good looking, maybe a 6, but I couldn't get her attention.

One of the girls took the stage and performed a pretty good nude pole dance to music. I ordered a beer and took in the laid back atmosphere. It was probably the grittiest bar I've been to in Latin America. The place did not even have a bathroom. Just two urinals against the wall with a three-foot high wall surrounding it, so that you were completely visible to everyone in the room from the waist up. It was the first time I've ever taken a piss in plain view of a room full of people. I can only imagine what the back room was like, but I didn't stick around long enough to find out. I called an Uber and headed to Laureles.

Having not blown my load in 48 hours, and with my time and options dwindling, I went to my old trusty watering hole, Luna Lunera Club. You will read many glowing reports about Luna Lunera in this thread, and rest assured that those men know what they are talking about. After you have wandered around wasting time and money and being disappointed by every other dead end or mongering tourist trap in the city, Luna Lunera is like an Oasis in the desert. I forget what the cover charge is. Maybe 25 k pesos. But whatever it is, it is a bargain if you come at the right time. The place is open 24 hours so you are never out of luck. I think during low times there is no cover.

As far as I know, the only club in Medellin that actually likes to see foreigners and cares about giving them a good experience is Luna Lunera. The man at the door, who I suppose is the owner, greets you warmly like you are extended family. The staff is courteous. The atmosphere is clean and relaxing (but no entertainment and not much music). And the chicas. Well, the chicas range from very doable to smoking hot, as ol' Tom Jackin might say.

The prices are not cheap, but still reasonable. It used to be a standard 300 k for one hour with a chica in one of the rooms upstairs. But like all things in Medellin, the price has recently increased with inflation. It now costs 310 k pesos for one hour.

Let me give you fellas a free piece of advice. The place you want to be in Medellin on Friday night, at exactly 8 pm, is at Luna Lunera Club. I didn't know this until my recently visit, but apparently 8 pm is the start of the night shift. And they don't just trot them out one at time. Oh no. They open the flood gates.

So when I showed up just before 8, there were a couple chicas who came in at the same time as me. One was smoking hot and smiled flirtatiously at me as she walked in. I definitely had my sights set on her from the ggages. I went into the bar area, bought a Smirnoff and sat down and talked to the only chica in the room at the time. She was pretty good looking and I bought her a drink. We chatted for a bit. Turns out her shift was just ending and she left. A minute later, right at 8:00, about a dozen gorgeous chicas in bikinis walked into the room. I was the only guy there and I felt like damn Hugh Hefner. I picked one out to talk to. She was cute, nice enough, and very doable. But just as we were getting to know each other, the girl who caught my eye at the door walked in the room with her friend. I am generally pretty polite, but I was going to get what I wanted that night. I called her over to sit with me and the girl I was talking with. The girl I was talking with suggested we do a 3-some, but I wasn't falling for that one. I told them I only had enough energy for one, and that since I saw the girl at the door first, it was only fair to choose her. The other girl acted very polite and told me it was fine, but I sensed she was pissed off and jealous. I really didn't care. She'll get over it.

So I took my favorite girl upstairs. I love the rooms at Luna Lunera. They are spacious with big beds, a mirror, and a TV. They have adequate bathrooms and showers and some faint neon lights that give the room a very sexy feel and sets the mood. I always feel like I am in an amateur porn film when I am in there.

The girl I chose was an absolute gem. She does not blow you away when she is fully clothed, but her body is so on point. Full be+ Cup natural tits and a soft perfectly shaped ass. A cute angelic face straight out of an erotic modeling set. She has a light skin tone but black features, sort of like Zendaya. Can't be a day over 22. Probably one of the top 5 hottest girls I've ever banged. I'll give why'all her name if you happen to stop by there: Angelica.

Any way, we had a very nice session. She clearly was not that into sex with me, or maybe she was just inexperienced or shy. I was fine with that. Blowjob was covered. Some girls there will blow you uncovered of you ask for that before you go to the room. Sex was covered too, of course. I didn't bother going down on her with the dental dam, so I didn't warm her up properly. But after all the crap I had been through the night before, I was focused on getting my pleasure from this girl without any BS. So I just dove right in without warming her up. She took it like a champ and was very eager to please. I can tell you that when I was balls deep inside of her, with that cute basket-ball sized bubble butt slapping against me, I was on Cloud 9. I also fucked her laying on the side while holding her tits. Just the feel of her perfectly soft tits and ass was worth the price of admission. The tight pussy was just a bonus. And about 30 minutes in, I reached a glorious climax in doggy style.

My understanding is that, most of the time at Luna Lunera, the girl will let you have as many shots as you want in the allotted hour. I don't know if Anjelica would have allowed that, because I was totally spent. I got her WhatsApp and may hit her up the next time I am in town. I generally prefer nympho type girls and don't go back to the ones who don't seem to enjoy sex or be particularly attracted to me. But I'd be willing to make an exception for this girl. That's if she's still on the market when I return, which I kind of doubt.

So needless to say, I flew back home later that night feeling very satisfied in spite of striking out at my first four stops in the city. When all else fails in Medellin, when your wallet is light as a feather and your balls are turning a light shade of blue, head to Luna Lunera!

And if any of you guys know a place similar to Luna Lunera in one of the less touristy barrios of Medellin (or another Colombian city) for about half the price, please advise! Along with directions to New Life casa.

[Nounce]

"New Life" appears on Google Maps. CL. 66 C #41 A 26. It's 56. Not 66. It's a day time place. You probably missed 90% of SG scene based on your description. You messed up on Conejitas. Those are two different bars. There is another popular one Grill Nueva Avenida a few doors down Conejitas on the same block

[Mr Enternational]

Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.But he better bring soap from his place. You think his girlfriend will not know if he has used a different soap? Also, that would make him smell too fresh. So he had better jog in place for about 15 minutes after washing up. Myself, I used to bathe in my car's exhaust before going home. My dad kept a bottle of liquor under the seat in his truck and would always take a swig before going into the house whether he had been drinking or not.

[Mr Enternational]

I honestly believe that it would be faster and more comfortable in many cases to fly directly to Bogota or Cartagena from a foreign location just to go through immigration (which takes just a few minutes) and then hop on a domestic flight to Medellin. I would be willing to bet someone who did that could make it to MDE ground transportation sooner than a person who flew directly to Medellin and landed at around 1:00 pm.

How is it that cities like Bogota and Lima with many times more population and visitors can process foreigners in just a matter of minutes?Either you have not been to Bogota in a long time or you just happened to arrive at a lucky time. Even in the old airport that was a much smaller room, it was as slow as it is today. Not unusual for it to take an hour and a half to get through that line.

[Sangnyc21]

I am writing this report more than 2 weeks after the fact, but better late than never, I suppose.

My return flight from Lima on Thursday, June 13th had a long layover in Medellin, one that became much longer thanks to the flooding in Ft. Lauderdale which caused the Florida Governor to declare a state of emergency. The next available flight was in the wee hours of the morning on Saturday, June 15th. I was actually a bit amused by the situation, as there are many worse places to be stranded than Medellin on a Thursday & Friday night. But there are also better places as well.

The immigration line was chock full of foreigners. Any foreigner who visits Medellin finds out very soon after arrival that this city is not happy to see you. They have no problem making you stand for up to 2 hours in line just to get your passport stamped. With little to no air conditioning, no food, no water, and no bathroom (unless you want to lose your place in line). There are six customs agents who perform the task of manually processing a line of hundreds of foreigners. It almost seems at times like they want to make the experience as slow and painful as possible to deter people from coming to the city.This is a great report. And I don't mean this in any offensive way. My friend who travels to Colombia all the time as well is the exact same way.

But an issue you're having is that you're not accepting the fact this is the new Colombia. The one that has been infused with the western ways. Meaning that 100 usd or 400 mil isn't viewed the same way anymore. Parque Lleras is like Miami now. 200 usd use to get tln and on a weekend now will only get you an hour with a girl at Gustos.

Fase Dos and La Isla girls are the same. Friendly until they get their money.

[KapnAmerica]

Either you have not been to Bogota in a long time or you just happened to arrive at a lucky time. Even in the old airport that was a much smaller room, it was as slow as it is today. Not unusual for it to take an hour and a half to get through that line.Really. I was in Bogota in February and April. I don't think I waited 10 minutes either time.

In February, I arrived at 1:15 pm on a Sunday and in April I arrived at noon on a Saturday. Maybe that's the sweet spot or maybe I was just lucky. But I was shocked at how easy it was to get through immigration. On the way out in February, I didn't even need to see an officer, just scanned my passport in a machine. Took less than a minute.

Maybe one day my luck will run out in Bogota, but right now Medellin is right up there with Manila on my list of airports I want to avoid.

[KapnAmerica]

It's 56. Not 66. It's a day time place. You probably missed 90% of SG scene based on your description. You messed up on Conejitas. Those are two different bars. There is another popular one Grill Nueva Avenida a few doors down Conejitas on the same blockThanks for the info. Google really screwed me up. I looked for similar clubs on that street (Avenida Cundenamarca) near Hilton Grill, but they all looked like regular bars. What street is Conejitas and Avenida Nueva on? I will say that my taxi was driving me toward Laureles at around 7:40 pm, I did notice some street walkers leaned up against the outside of some bars on the street just to the northwest of Botero (Carrera 54). But it was too late at that point. I also did a sweep of all 4 corners of Botero park before getting in the taxi. Maybe 3 chicas standing idly who looked pretty rough. I was expecting to see them in standing in clusters and strolling around like in Poblado. Nothing like that. Maybe Poblado is where they all went after sundown on Friday evening, but they sure weren't in Parque Botero proper around 7:30 pm.

[Medclubber]

Around that time, she gestured for one of the door guys at Gusto's to come over and join the conversation. I explained to him that I was tired and planned to go back to the hotel alone. He said ok, but you should at least tip the girl for her time. I told him I already bought her a drink at the bar so that was my tip. He suggested I tip her 100 k pesos. For what? That pissed me off. I said how about 20 k pesos. He laughed and said 20 k is nothing, like $5 man. I said ok, how about 10 k pesos. Same reaction. So I pulled a crisp 5 k peso note out of my wallet and offered it to her. She backed away from it like it was a pair of dirty underwear. I put the note back in wallet. She then turned to the guy and asked if she should call the police. I tried hard not to smirk as the guy gave her an incredulous look and told her that no one should call the police. Did she really think the police were going to come and scold or arrest me for NOT engaging in temporarily banned prostitution? That comment just confirmed that I 100% made the right decision by not going any further with that chica. I told both of them feliz noche, and turned and walked out of the park.

Needless to say, I don't advise doing what I did, especially if you plan to returning to the area soon. There is no way of knowing what kind of connections a chica has and it's never a good idea to piss people off when in a foreign country. I don't plan on going back to Gusto's again any time in the near future. But it did feel quite satisfying to give the proverbial middle finger to two entitled Colombians who saw me as just another dumb tourist to be shaken down.So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.

[Bill]

Nice to read these fail reports in the MDE thread.

Too many newbies think MDE is a "like shooting fish in a barrel" destination. it is not. LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.
Shit. You act like he had her walk 3 blocks. They were right outside in front of the place. She could have walked right back in and tried her luck with the other 5 gringos that were left. She should have considered herself lucky by taking the 20 because I would have given her the same zero that she ended up with after trying to hustle him. At least she would have had transportation money, but greed put an end to that.

You know what else could close Gusto's doors? If them and the girls keep ripping people off the way they do. But neither the ownership nor the girls seem concerned about that. They see it as having an endless barrel of suckers on their hands. It is Colombia, not Miami (as Sang says they have turned it in to). That is why I stay well away from those gringo clip joints. I wish I would pay a broad for walking outside more than I would pay to actually fuck one in a casa.

[Zeos1]

So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.

[YounGun3393]

Hey yall.

I will be back in MDE in a few months. Pretty excited. I will be there for a week and I have been there earlier this year for a Bach party. Didn't get to sample enough so I want to go back.

What are the prices looking like? I know most of the places in lleras since that's where I stayed. I also went to la Isla where I was quoted 600 k for a girl to come back to my Airbnb for a few hours which isn't all that bad compared to some of the reports I read.

Most of the lleras girl quotes I got were 300/400 k but I made sure to say that I wanted MSOG. Got to be willing to negotiate! Most were cool with it.

How are the prices now? For lleras girls and places like fase2 La isla Luna lunera el centro clubs.

And how are they for TLN?

I'm going with newbies so I want to tell them accurate info.

[KapnAmerica]

So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.I understand your sentiment too, but to clarify, I did not ask her out. That's what she proposed. We did not leave immediately after discussing her rates, but some time after that once we finished our drinks and dancing. I did intend to go to another bar with her, but that changed once she got a little pushy about going straight to my hotel. At that point, I realized I was better off going my own way.

Could I have made it clear to her before we started walking out that leaving the bar with me does not guarantee that she will get paid anything? Sure. Could she have clarified to me that she was expecting some form of payment if she left with me? She could have.

If anything, I think the burden is more on her to clarify expectations. Because she is the professional who does this for a living. The likely reason she didn't her expectations clear is because she knows that ambiguity usually works in her favor when it comes to gringo tourists. It just didn't with me.

If she had told me, "wait, before we go outside, please understand that I expect you to pay me something extra for my time," there is a high chance I would passed and just left on my own. And she would have been left there to check her phone and try to fight off a swarm of competition for the few guys at the bar. But she didn't do that. I doubt she would do it the next time, either. It probably works out in her favor more often than it doesn't.

The problem was, once I decided that I was not interested, she should have been able to walk back into the bar and continue with her night. I can only assume that is what she was allowed to do, because our entire conversation took place in plain view of the 3 doormen at Gusto's. If there is some "rule" that she can't go back in, then Gusto's is to blame for that. Again, that was something she could have told me before she pulled me outside, but didn't. Given that she claimed to personally know the owner, I doubt she had any problem going back into the club that night.

I think 20 k is quite a generous tip for zero service. I forgot to mention that I tipped Anjelica 15 k at Luna Lunera after our session. I would have tipped more but that's all the bills I had smaller than a 50 k note. So why would I "tip" a pushy chica who has provided no service and I am trying to get rid of more than a chica who just gave me quality service and I plan to see again? Actually, why would I tip her anything at all? It makes no sense.

As for Gusto's closing because of guys like me, I'm pretty sure there are some guys on this forum which can tell you about a time not too long ago when the price for a chica was much more reasonable and the selection was just as good or better than it is now. Gusto's would still be thriving if all their customers were like me. But perhaps you might see fewer chicas who wear top-end designer clothing and sneeze on free 20 k notes. Not a big loss in my opinion.

[KapnAmerica]

In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.I agree with you. It was worth 20 k to me.

I would hope it would be worth something to the bar and the chica too, because I just dropped 80 k at their bar and I didn't even get see a pair of tits. But apparently it wasn't worth anything to them.

You see, in Medellin, many establishments think it's not their job to make customer happy and want to come back. It's your job as the customer to make them happy and help pay their bills. Because we, the foreign tourists, are obviously so absurdly wealthy we should be stuffing 50 k notes down people's shirts just for gracing us with their presence. Come on, people.

You don't "tip" a car dealer for trying to sell you a car that you decide not to buy, or even for letting you do a little test drive. That's just the cost of doing business and the fact that effort will be expended in many cases without a sale is baked into the price of the car. Same with chicas. The biggest tip I can give a working chica is to give her my precious time and attention and allow her the opportunity to try to convince me to buy her service. The more opportunities she has, the more success she will have. The opportunity itself has real value. But when she can't close the sale, she doesn't get paid. It's as simple as that.

But if you want to play into the illusion that you are some wealthy foreign benefactor, a la Pretty Woman, who is superior to this helpless street-savy working girl, then go ahead and offer her something to appease your conscience like I did. I highly doubt that locals tip chicas for failed negotiations. But remember, we are not locals. We are foreigners. I. e. , second class humans. Our role in Medellin is to pay what is demanded by high end clubs run by foreigners, and not ask questions about it. And by all means, do what it takes to make them happy, because our job is to live up to their expectations, and not the other way around.

[Sangnyc21]

In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.Most girls live far away from poblado. Factor into that the cab ride and entry fee.

Girls pay 20 k to enter last time I checked. But this was a while ago.

Buying a girl a drink to discuss services etc should not be considered part of the fee LOL. It's a bar full of independent girls. They're not working for the house.

Honestly if it got that far 100 k (23 $) is fair considering he agreed to pay 500 for an hour. So she's already got that money counted in her mind.

[Combo]

Hey yall.

I will be back in MDE in a few months. Pretty excited. I will be there for a week and I have been there earlier this year for a Bach party. Didn't get to sample enough so I want to go back.

I'm going with newbies so I want to tell them accurate info.I love Baroque music, but I think you'll find the women more into Reggaeton in Medellin.

[TheDerilious]

Could I have made it clear to her before we started walking out that leaving the bar with me does not guarantee that she will get paid anything? Sure. Could she have clarified to me that she was expecting some form of payment if she left with me? She could have.

If anything, I think the burden is more on her to clarify expectations. Because she is the professional who does this for a living. The likely reason she didn't her expectations clear is because she knows that ambiguity usually works in her favor when it comes to gringo tourists. It just didn't with me.
Not attacking you in particular, but your example is important for everyone else. I assumed people already knew the basics, but this is a lesson for all mongers at ANY club where you pick up WGs; if you walk out of the club with a girl, she is expecting payment. The girl is here to get paid and isn't being swooned by your game, looks, or sterling personality. If you want to waste time hanging out at clubs, getting a coffee, or even read her your warhammer 40 k fan-fictions, she won't complain, but the expectation is payment. Don't play games and assume there is some sort of test drive going on where she'll drop her price after you woo her. Don't be wishy-washy about details, and always get things confirmed.

And most importantly, NEVER, EVER put the burden on the girl to clarify anything. It's your money and your life and you should never leave that in the hands of a stranger. Kapn was lucky in some ways that things didn't escalate but you all need to remember; you're the foreigner, not the girl. I've seen dudes get their shit pushed in by locals in Thailand for playing games and Medellin is much less nice than Bangkok. All it takes is one white knight or guy having a bad day to decide he wants to step up to put the "arrogant gringo" in his place (with his boys, of course). Cops can't be everywhere and, truthfully, they don't care.

It's a little wild to even think you walked out of the club with this girl thinking that she didn't expect to be paid, as if she was actually interested to go sight-seeing some shitty clubs she's probably been to a hundred times before.

[Mr Enternational]

You see, in Medellin, many establishments think it's not their job to make customer happy and want to come back. It's your job as the customer to make them happy and help pay their bills. Because we, the foreign tourists, are obviously so absurdly wealthy we should be stuffing 50 k notes down people's shirts just for gracing us with their presence. Come on, people.

You don't "tip" a car dealer for trying to sell you a car that you decide not to buy, or even for letting you do a little test drive.

And by all means, do what it takes to make them happy, because our job is to live up to their expectations, and not the other way around.In no other industry does the person paying act like the person providing them the service is doing them a favor. Pussy just does something to some guys to make them think like that. You can still bust a nut without her. She can not pay her rent without you. Who is really doing who a favor?

[KapnAmerica]

Now his girlfriend has a 6 hour window of opportunity. If he needs a break from his commitment then she definitely needs a break from him and she is happy that he will be gone for 6 hours so she can have her fun too and Pablo has been waiting for her to signal that the time is right. Take your friend to a case so he can pick from a line up of his choosing. Tell him to try not to think about what his girlfriend will be doing while he's gone and just to focus on the mission at hand. Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.It's a lazy Sunday afternoon and I can't pass up the temptation to chime in on this one. So here goes.

First, some background. I am a big believer in setting proper expectations on the front end of a relationship and not promising more than you can deliver. I subscribe to the "Mr. E" school of thinking on that subject. It is easier said than done, but once you get a woman to accept that you are not willing to compromise your freedom just to have sex with her, it pays tremendous benefits as the relationship moves along. So the main problem here is that your friend committed to monogamy when he (probably) knew he could not live up to that commitment. Now he is in a predicament of his own making.

My situation is a little bit different, but the recent experience I am going to relate will hopefully give you some comfort. One of my girlfriends lives in Medellin. She knows we live in different countries, and I made it clear to her from the outset that I cannot go without sex for months in between visiting her. That was just a nonstarter for me. I made it clear I didn't expect monogamy from her either. It wasn't easy, but fortunately for me, she values our relationship enough that she has accepted my sexual freedom. I don't tell her anything about my other girlfriends or my sexual activities. We message each other every day and have an amazing relationship.

My problem is that, while sex in my home country or in third countries is within the terms of our understanding, there is an unspoken implication that I will not have sex with other girls in Colombia. Which, of course, I do. For reasons that are completely unjustifiable but that your friend can probably relate to. It's not that I don't have sex with my girlfriend when I am in town. We do, and it's great sex. But I am a man like many of you on here with an appetite for variety and new experiences when it comes to sex. And I don't get that in the US for the reasons that many of you know too well. So traveling to Colombia is an opportunity to quench that appetite, on top of warming up for my main course, my girlfriend, who receives the bulk of my time and affection when I am there.

But needless to say, I would have problems if she found out about my activities in Colombia. It would probably spell the end of our relationship, because it would hurt her a lot and trust would be lost. That's why it's important for me to conceal my secret activities.

So earlier this month, I flew into Medellin on my way to Peru. My girlfriend didn't know I was coming, which is fairly typical. I like to just show up at her apartment unannounced and surprise her. Well, I flew in early afternoon, and suffered through immigration. Did my thing, rested a little at ny hotel in Laureles, and then had one of my Colombiana contacts I met at Luna Lunera come over that night for an hour and a half session for 300 k. It was a good session, not as good as in the club which was phenomenal, but she is a very cute chica who goes the extra mile to make me happy. I blow my load after one week of self-imposed abstinence and I can finally think clearly again.

I woke up the next day and I still had some lead I wanted to get out before what was likely to be a marathon romp with my girlfriend later that evening. So I booked a hotel in Poblado and messaged my favorite Venezuelan contact. This girl is 22 years old and has earned a special place in my heart. Cute young lady with braces and a nice petite body that would fit in in Thailand or PH. She is a normal chica who actually needs the money, because her family is dirt poor. I follow her on Instagram, which is basically dormant, but it makes me sentimental to see her with her family, friends, classmates in high school, etc. I remember where I was in life during those times, and it pulls on my heart strings a little. She is just a regular girl with a positive outlook whose life has been shaped by negative economic forces beyond her control.

One thing about this girl, is she knows how to handle me despite her young age. I am the type who has high expectations and can be fairly impatient. She knows how to talk me down whenever I get riled up. Her and her Venezuelan friend were my first threesome, which did not meet my expectations at the time, but based on the stories I've read on here was probably the best threesome you could possibly hope for. Her friend was a squirter but not as pretty. I halfways hoped her friend would come with her, but I also wanted to save some money for Peru.

Anyway, this girl is hard to contact and coordinate with, because she does not not own a cell phone that works without WIFI. She is that poor. So she has to borrow her friend's phone to message me when she is out of WIFI range. Somehow, I get her over to my hotel within 30 minutes of when she was supposed to arrive (4:30), which is shockingly punctual by her standards. Paid 20 k for her taxi. We never discussed any rates or time. She doesn't have a passport, so the hotel didn't want to let her come to the room. I did the whole "she's my GF, I booked for 2 people" spiel, and they finally said they would let her in for an additional 100 k. I worked them down to 50 k. We both went up to the room, sat on the bed with some snacks, watched TV and caught up on life.

I honestly did not know how things were going to go, because I never mentioned sex to her. One thing was for sure: I was not going to do anything unless she agreed to give me oral without a condom. When I first met her on the street, I was very green and thought a covered blowjob was a universal requirement. I have been kicking myself ever since. This girl has the best oral skills of any girl I've ever been with. Perfect rhythm, angle, depth and hand usage. Keeps going steady and never comes up for air. I love to make her kneel on a pillow beside a mirror and watch her from the side while she goes downtown. Damn it's hot. My dick gets hard just thinking about it. It's obvious that the reason this girl can insist on a condom for BJ and not lose business is because she is so damn good at it.

And it bothers me to no end that the girl who gives the best blowjob ever insists that I wear a condom during the act. All because I agreed to it the first time and set a bad precedent. Well that was going to change this time. No BBBJ, no sex, and no money for her. Cum in mouth was not a requirement; we could work up to that next time. But uncovered oral was absolutely essential. She either blows me bare or she doesn't eat tonight, I thought. I'm putting my foot down, dammit.

Well, she was hungry and wanted to go to dinner. I offered to invite her. She suggested we do "what we are going to do" before we eat dinner. 300 k is our standard, right? Right. That's when I emphasized that I wanted a bare blowjob this time. She said no. I said fine, we don't have to have sex then. Let's just go get dinner. I was dead serious.

Now, I've had disagreements with many girls, but the way this chica handles me is truly remarkable. There is generally two ways this can go. One, the chica sees you are ready to walk and she gives in to your demands. Or two, the chica gets very cold and defensive and tells you how you are still going to pay them for their time no matter what. Or owe them X amount. Or threaten to call the police or someone else. Not this chica. One reason is that she is Venezuelan, is probably in the country illegally, and has very little recourse if I change my mind and decide to reject her services. I knew this, and as much as I liked her, I felt like I had some leverage. I felt like if she saw I was serious and walked away this time, she would accept that insisting on a condom for oral is not worth losing 300 k. But of course I didn't want to lose her from my rotation, which is why I was still going to take her out to dinner. So I guess she was going to eat either way.

And next time, when my head is slumped back and I am enjoying every stroke and slurp of the most satisfying skin-on-mouth blowjob of my life, it would all be worth it. For both of us.

That was my plan.

Anyway, she calmly strokes my arm and says amorrr. You know how service is with me. I said yes, that's how it was at first, but now that we know each other better I thought you could do oral without a condom. Told her how important it was to me. "Amorrr. I can't do that," she says in a very soothing and relaxed tone. Fine, let's just go to dinner. No sex. "Amorrr, I really need this money. " Sorry, not my problem. I am very defensive and pissed. "But amorrr, this is why I came to see you. This is how it always works with us. " She is just stroking my arm and her voice is as soothing as ever. More back and forth for at least 10 minutes. I kept emphasizing, all she has to do is blow me without a condom and all our problems are solved. But she wouldn't budge. I have to give her a lot of credit for that, and the more I argued with her, the more I respected her. And the whole time, she spoke to me in such a sweet and loving tone as she explained that she came her to have sex with me, that is what she intended to do, and I had to wear a condom the entire time we did it. Her soft confidence and power was really mesmerizing. She never gave an inch, but continued to stroke my arm and chest and talk to me in the most soothing tone.

And so, just like when we've had disagreements in the past, this 22-year-old chica sweet-talked me until I cooled down. She argued with me like I was always the one in charge, but she was just persuading me to make the right decision. It was a masterclass in how to subtlety manipulate a man's ego without being obvious about it. At the end of argument, I realized that I wanted to have sex with this girl, even if it was covered. Not because it was the easiest thing to do to keep peace, or because she needed the money, or just to get it over with. But because I truly wanted sex with her. She made me want it with how she treated me with respect and tenderness during our argument. It became a primal urge I could repress but couldn't deny.

So I gave in. Essentially. Needing some way to save face, I told her I would only agree to sex if there was no time limit. I emphasized, no time limit. She said she had to be home in the evening. I said that's not what I mean, I mean we could fuck for two hours or more. Not all night, but however long it took me to get my satisfaction. She agreed to that. If I was going to going to get blown with a condom, I was at least going to get my money's worth. So I threw a pillow down in front of the mirror and she dropped to her knees. Ah, pure (wrapped up) bliss.

After some thorough and titillating oral service, I put her on the bed and ate her pussy with a dental dam. Sex in multiple positions until she complained that she was getting hungry. To be honest, I had places to be, too. So I put her on all fours and finished in her from behind. I don't think I lasted 40 minutes. The orgasm was very intense because I was really worked up from our argument and needed some release. And boy did I get it. That was just what the doctor ordered for my mood and state of mind.

Everything we did happened on top of the sheets, which will become important later in the story.

So after sex, me and my Venezuelan chica went to grab dinner in Provenza. She definitely deserved a tip for another memorable performance on her knees. I told her we could go anywhere she wanted, she actually chose a very reasonable "walk-up" restaurant. I appreciated that. The meal cost 65 k total for both of us.

While talking at dinner, I found out that she had actually had a baby about a month earlier. Apparently, the last time I saw her, she was almost three months pregnant. I do remember that she had a bit of a protruding belly but I thought she was just putting on some weight. I honestly couldn't tell from sex; her pussy was still very tight.

After dinner, we walked back to my hotel. Along the way, she stopped by two different pharmacies. I told her I was in a hurry and thought she was going to ask me to buy something for her. She was very adamant that she was going to pay with her own money. So I stood at the counter with her while she pulled the 300 k peso notes out of her bra and bought diapers and baby formula. Which put quite a dent in that 300 k. Seeing her buy those things with the money I just gave her really made things hit home with me. She had just had sex with me so she could buy food and diapers for her baby. I helped her carry the groceries to the taxi. She didn't ask me to pay her taxi; with the 200 k plus she had left over, she seemed proud to not have to ask for my help. I felt no doubt that I had made the right decision that evening. It was a humbling experience and one I won't soon forget. It confirmed with my own eyes that many of these girls are very genuine people just trying to make ends meet. I hugged her, gave her a kiss on the cheek, and bid her farewell.

Anyway, after that, I gathered my things and went down to the front desk. I told them that I had decided to spend the night at my "girlfriend's" apartment, but didn't want to check out because might return if sleeping without air conditioning turned out to be too much to bear. So if I don't return by tomorrow at 11 am, please check me out. Gave them my key to hold at the front desk. They were fine with it. I never waste a good hotel room. For all I knew, my actual girlfriend could be out of town.

So I took an Uber to my girlfriend's apartment. Arrive at 9 pm. She opens the door. Surprise! She is so elated to see me. The expression on her face is worth the entire trip. Just one problem: her sister broke up with her boyfriend, and she is living with her temporarily. So that throws a wrench in things for obvious reasons. No chance of us doing anything freaky in that small apartment with her sister there.

The good news is I already had a hotel room waiting for us. The bad news. I had just fucked another girl in that hotel room. Gulp!

So do I book an entirely new hotel room like any reasonable man who values his relationship would do? Not this reckless cheap ass. I told her that I already had a hotel room and invited her to stay with me in Poblado. Miraculously, she said she needed to take a shower first. That was my opening. I told her to take her time, I would take an Uber over there and text her the address so she could come when she was ready. Sounded perfectly reasonable and she agreed. Once I sent her the address, I knew there was no turning back.

So I rush back to the hotel. Get the key from the front desk and go upstairs. The first thing I do is pick all the condoms and dental dams out of the trash can with some toilet paper. In my panic, it never occurred to me that I could just take them out of the room and throw them away in the trash can outside. So I remove the bag from the trash can and stuff the damning evidence at the bottom of the can. I then replaced the bag over it and stuffed a wad of toilet paper at the bottom so you couldn't see the bright gold wrappers peaking through the clear plastic bag.

I then completely remade the bed, obsessively scanning every piece of fabric for any sign that another woman had been there. After it had been remade, I fluffed the pillows and as I was doing that, a long black hair fell out from between two of the pillows. Scared the shit out of me. I hid that thing in the closet and proceeded to check every inch of the room, and especially the bathroom where my Venezuelan girl had showered, for other hairs. Made me paranoid as hell. Amazingly, no hairs in the shower or bathroom. I spead out a boquet of red roses I had purchased the day over the bed. Then I wadded up the towel that the other girl had used and quickly went downstairs to give it to the front desk and request more towels. But most importantly, I wanted to emphasize that I was having a guest come over and there should be no mention whatsoever of any other guests I previously had in the room. I assumed there would be some kind of resistance to allowing me have an additional guest in the room in the same day, and I wanted to iron that out before my girlfriend arrived.

My elevator stops in the lobby and I turn toward the front desk. My heart skips a beat. There is my girlfriend, leaned over the counter, looking down while filling out some form. Dressed in just a pair of warmups, with her hair still wet from the shower, she made it to the hotel from her apartment in 20 minutes flat. She doesn't see me and neither do the people at the front desk. With my heart racing, I briskly walk to a row of plants and shove the dirty towel in between them as innocuously as I can.

I then walk over to the front desk and smootly put my arm around my girlfriend. Wow, you're already here love, are you getting checked it? She barely acknowledges me and continues filling out the form. Not atypical for her to be that way when we are in public. She then hands the form to the female desk attendant, who, by sheer luck and the grace of God, was a different person than the male attendant who had checked me and the Venezuelan chica in at 4:30 that afternoon. Apparently the day shift ends at around 9 pm and the night shift takes over. So the lady at the desk had never seen me before. Or the chica I had previously left with. And the hotel apparently had no record that I had another guest in my room. I have to assume that my Venezuelan chica was "off the books" because she did not have a passport and technically could not be allowed into the room under the law. Or maybe she just kept quiet and did me a solid. Whatever the reason she just smiled politely at us and said "welcome, enjoy your stay. "

At this point, I still did not know what my girlfriend had been told before I arrived, so I braced for any backlash as we walked to the elevator. My girlfriend finally looked up at me and made eye contact. She then wrapped her arms around me and pulled me in for a passionate kiss. In my mind, I breathed a deep sigh of relief.

When we arrived at the room, my GF was ecstatic to see the roses I had bought her. I poured her a drink and spread some snacks over the bed. We talked for a while and watched a documentary about the Colombian children who got lost in the Amazon for 40 days and survived. A great film for anyone looking for something to watch.

We then proceeded to have passionate, earth-shaking sex in the same unwashed bed that I had just fucked another girl less than five hours earlier. The sex was so intense (maybe because I was so worked up from all the suspense and drama I had created for myself) that I actually injured my hand from having my bare knuckles slam against the wall while I was gripping the end of the mattress while we fucked in missionary. I didn't even notice the blood until I went to take a shower. The sex was that amazing. She actually was more than a week late on her period this month, so until recently there was reason to suspect we may have conceived that night. How screwed up would that be!

After showering, we cuddled up and fell asleep. Did she smell the scent of another woman on the bed? Or the smell of freshly used condoms or dental dams? If she did, she never gave me any indication. I think it helped my cause a lot that my Venezuelan chica did not wear perfume. I can only assume she can't afford it. That is another detail that surely contributed to me pulling off this audacious and completely unnecessary feat of stupidity. Of course, the fact that the Vennie & I never did anything under the sheets or comforter also probably played a big role in keeping any incriminating scent at bay. Add it the fact that my girlfriend was in an unfamiliar hotel room which she was not used to smelling, further masking the scent.

One thing I didn't have to worry about after sex: hairs. My girlfriend and the Vennie both have black hair of about the same length, so any hairs found in the room from that point on would not arouse any suspicion. But the thing that bothered the shit out of me was the condoms in the trash can. I was constantly worried that my girlfriend would somehow find them when she was in the bathroom taking a shower. And there is no way of explaining my way around that, even though I've never used condoms with her so there is still a glimmer of very implausible deniability. There is no logical reason that a woman would take a trash bag out of a trash can in a hotel, but women do weird shit like that all the time. The risk of her doing that really bothered me.

The next morning, I rebooked the hotel for another night. We headed out for lunch and I pretended to leave something in the hotel room. I went back to the room and disposed of the condoms in a trash can on a different floor. Too important to trust that task to the maid. As we exited, I made it very clear to the maid that we needed room service. Of course, the guy who had checked me and my Vennie "girlfriend" in the previous afternoon was back at the reception. Ironically, he was from Venezuela himself. He instantly knew what was up. I shot him a look as I passed which told him that if he said anything about it, they would never find his body. Returned later that evening to fresh linens. I finally was able to exhale.

So there you have it, fellas. A real life case study that it is possible to have sex with another woman, even in the same bed and on the same day, without your girlfriend finding out. I can assure that I still have all my organs. My GF and I had a great time together and I would say that our long distance relationship is in the best place it's ever been. Would I advise anyone to do what I did? Hell no. I'm not proud of it either. But like so many incredible feats, it takes a dumb overconfident bustard to prove they are possible. Please learn from my foolhardy decisions but don't repeat them. That goes for many of the things I post on this forum.

So what have we learned? I can tell you that an important part of the equation is just being able to act naturally and have a laid back demeanor even when you are hiding something. It's hard to do that if you feel guilty, so put your guilt aside. If you know that something is going to make you feel guilty, don't do it. I did not want my girlfriend to find out about what I did, but I also did not feel guilty about it. So even more than hiding the physical evidence, the most important thing is how you act around her. For me it's easy, because I have nothing but a pure heart for my girlfriend and a clear conscience when it comes to my deep and genuine feelings for her. But my body and lustful mind crave variety and new experiences. Giving in to my urges, rather than repressing them, makes me a happier man and, perhaps, a better boyfriend. That's my view on things.

Funny thing, the following night my girlfriend actually suggested we go to Parque Lleras because she wanted to show me the nightlife of Poblado. I walked around with her, quite amused, pretending like I had never been there before. It was definitely a surreal experience!

Bottom line: act natural, don't feel guilty for addressing your needs, and give the woman reasons to value you and want you in her life (but obviously don't overdo this last part so as to create suspicion). Those actions go a long toward her giving you the benefit of the doubt and things working out in your favor.

[GeorgeCarta22]

Excited to be back so I jumped on the opportunity.

I just want to start off by saying I'm not a centro / street walking girl hunters.

Most of the vets here really like the cheap street centro options. And that's fine. To me those options are usually 0-7 MAX. And the 7 is very hard to come by. If.

You live here I understand why you prefer that. But for me I need the 8-10. Now those ratings are very subjective. Even in clubs I may think a girl is a 10 and another guy thinks she's a 6 or 5. Which is fine. So my review is for the guys with limited time here who like the big titted girls even if theyre fake af.

Started off the night by going to loutron. I think it was 480. Was stick between 3 girls and had to re ask. The last girl I had here (sofia who is a complete stunner) was also there but she was mechanical. I shouldve realized they were all mechanical. Regretted my choice. I honestly forget the girls who name I chose. I think she was from Bogota and althoguht she had huge tits her nips were busted (huge aeriolas if you like that) and very business. Wanted 100 k more for anal or bb but that wasnt my thing. Still a fun time still a great line up. Went early around 6 or 7. Talked to a guy who told us to avoid energy and new life as girls were uggos there. Kinda the same reviews as the forum here. Again I had limited time and didn't want to waste it so I opted out of those places for my trip. (yes I understand theres some nice ones there) but yeah I don't have time.

Now I love clubs. I love feeling a girls vibe before I take her back. I also like actually seeing the girl in different lights. This is why I don't like the facebook or escort calling stuff here. I don't know if the bait and switch is going to happen (I got boned in cartagena once and said never again) so off the gusto I go. Tuesday night. Its raining. Heavy pouring. Damn I forgot I was in rainy season. Club is dead from 10 pm to 12 pm. I head over to glow. Place is moderatly packed. Esp compared to gusto. Also the one next door to glow is packed as well but those girls are more uggos and not my style.

I always take what's app numbers and took a girls number in case I found no one. Luckily I what's apped a girl form my last visit here. She was from gusto. I asked if 300 k was cool to come. She was completely fine with it. I said 700 k for all night if I like you. She agreed. I waited for her. She took a while. Said she lived far. Shared her location and looked like it was true. She arrived at 2 . Pretty much after the deed was done she was getting ready to go. I said you can stay all night. She agreed but then started packing up at 330 am I was like woah woah you're not getting anything if you don't stay till 6 am or 8 am which is the time we agreed was todos noche. She gave a sob story about her resopnsibility with son and takin to school. Which may only be 50% true. So I told her ok if you stay till 4 am you're only getting 200 k more. She said she needed the money and she said if I come back in the morning can I get the extra 300 k. I said fine. She came in the morning and topped me then left.

Wed I went back to the clubs and gusto was slow early again so iheaded to glow. Met this tall guy from europe who stays here 6 months. We cihlled together as we enjoyed the same type of girls. He knew alot and took me to different clubs. He has a lot more money so he said la isla is the best if you get a bottle and table. Seemed like hes rolling in money cause I'm not spending that much money at la isla. Also the last time I went to la isla I was banished to the corner standing area and couldn't see any girls. Was lame af. So we go back to gusto and theres not many girls my type. But in walks my stunner from my last visit. So I take her back. She said she only does 800 k all night now. I am completely head over heels and I say ill do 700 k. I shuoldve bargained per leche like I did last time. Last time I was with her I said 2 for 700 or something like that and she agreed. Well I didn't. And after the first pop she packed up and got ready to go. I had trouble with my equipment so I was ok to hurry her out.

Here's where the problem happen. I started to fall in puppy love like an idiot. With my first girl. I called her back out. Told her ID take her on a date but no sex. We ate. We chilled. She was amazing. She danced on me and had to leave to go get her son. I told her ID give her 200 k for sex right now. She said she had to go but asked to borrow and keept it and shed pay me back later with sex. (red flag) . I said no stood firm. I also gave her money for extra party good which she said she would give me at the club later that night (test to see if she's a bit real or a true thief).

Later that night I go to la isla. My boy told me he took 3 girls home from la isla at 800 k eaach all night. I was like fuck maybe I'm missing out on la isla. I head ther eSUPER early like 930 pm. Its fucking dead. 1 table of dudes. 2 dudes from medellin at the bar. 30 or 40 girls just sitting there. I get a beer and walk around the club. I can't really see the girls. Some are smoking and some are just not my type. I head to bathroom then back to bar. Talk with the dudes from medellin and couple girls approach. THEN this guy was like hey man you're going to have to go to the corner. Wtf what about the other guys from medellin they just get to stay. Whatever so I think maybe I need to buy a bottle. Prices are insane. But no one is there. So I ask the waiter. Hey look. I don't want to drink the liquor but can I get a bottle and table for 300 k cop. He was like no I don't think so. I asked if theres any room for negotiation. He said no. Fuck it. I left. Maybe ill come back if I get nothing.

Back to parque lleras and its opouring outside. Seriosuly pouring. Lots of strreet girls everywhere still. My first girl keeps texting me asking me where I am. I ignore it and go to glow. WOW its empty. Wtf. Guy tried to get me to go in. No seriosuly its like 4 girls. Its so sad. I gues certain nights during the week gusto is popping and other nights its not. Again I pop over the club next to glow. Forget the name. Still same uggos. So I leave and go to gustos on a Thursday. THIS PLACE IS PACKED. Girls every fucking where. This is what happend last time too. Thursday was packed. I see my initaly girl there. I buy her a drink and tell her I want to check out other girls. She's fine with it and says shell give me space. I find a couple girls attrative and eventually take another girl home. Small spinner girl wears heavy make up and I can till she's a little more of a MILF than the younger girls there. She demanded 800 k per hour LOL. I got her down to 500 k per each leche. Still really expensive.

After I'm done with her I immedetiatly hit up my first girl. Its all who I could think about. Tell her I'm thinking about her and she can comeover for 200 k but has to stay till 4 am. Obv no one took her. She agrees. Then she tantalizes me in the house so I ask her 300 k for pop and she agrees. Shouldve bargained but I'm now in love. After I'm done she calls taxi and is getting ready to leave. Reality is fighting my puppy love. I feel like such an idiot as I'm talking about myself.

Sorry this is a long winded almost pointless post but rule #1 always is don't fall in love. This is just straight business.

I kept trying to text this girl after too. So many flags as I'm looking back. I'm such a simp.

So if any of you go after a lazy eye chick vennie with huge fake tits. Just know your boy got played. Lesson trying to be learned. She keeps asking me to go on a trip with her lmao.

[LoveItHere69]

It's a little wild to even think you walked out of the club with this girl thinking that she didn't expect to be paid, as if she was actually interested to go sight-seeing some shitty clubs she's probably been to a hundred times before.Yes yes yes!

She does not need to know anyone in the club. She could have gone back in and told any local there what happened. That guy would have yelled at 2-3 buddies are even local strangers (very common thing to happen). Then go out and stolen everything on your person and maybe left you requiring medical attention. True there are tons of cameras in that area. If that makes you feel safe you are an idiot. Maybe they follow you to a camera-free area. Maybe the cops do something or do nothing. Then your whole trip would be ruined and you go back to your country because your face is messed up and have to explain to everyone why your A $$ got kicked. You owed her 50,000 at least. YOU messed up letting her walk out with you. Amazing this has to be explained to you.

[JohnnieCash]

Thanks for the info. Google really screwed me up. I looked for similar clubs on that street (Avenida Cundenamarca) near Hilton Grill, but they all looked like regular bars. What street is Conejitas and Avenida Nueva on? I will say that my taxi was driving me toward Laureles at around 7:40 pm, I did notice some street walkers leaned up against the outside of some bars on the street just to the northwest of Botero (Carrera 54). But it was too late at that point. I also did a sweep of all 4 corners of Botero park before getting in the taxi. Maybe 3 chicas standing idly who looked pretty rough. I was expecting to see them in standing in clusters and strolling around like in Poblado. Nothing like that. Maybe Poblado is where they all went after sundown on Friday evening, but they sure weren't in Parque Botero proper around 7:30 pm.Botero park / plaza is not where you find most of the SWs, there is usually a couple but you need to go further south around Veracruz church. 40-50 mil + room 10 mil / half h (there are longer time hotels around if needed). Around 8 pm on Friday some start preparing to leave for Lleras but it's still not abandoned and plenty of life. Depends on weather too. Saturday daytime is where there is most girls there, especially if it's the end of the month (payday) and mid-month payday. As for clubs, in Hilton I ever paid 70-80 mil max. Nueva Avenida similar. Conejitas more expensive up to 100. Barra 100-120 (best centro club according to some). Last two have the best facilities. Nueva and Grill Occidental the worst (horrible). Hilton in the middle. New Life you definitely went too late, it's a day time place, recognized easily by blue door. You should've probably got the WT69 Medellin mongering google map, would've made finding things and navigation much easier, most of things in Centro are in walking distance really. Great reports, keep them coming.

[Hobo3]

I'm seeing girls me and my buddies $40 to smash years ago being taken out to France and Switzerland for fancy trips. Are y'all really taking girls who have triple digit body counts to fancy trips around the world? What is wrong with you guys? I texted a few and they said they'd see me as soon as they get back. Wow!

[Medclubber]

Excited to be back so I jumped on the opportunity.

Started off the night by going to loutron. I think it was 480. Was stick between 3 girls and had to re ask. The last girl I had here (sofia who is a complete stunner) was also there but she was mechanical. I shouldve realized they were all mechanical. Regretted my choice. I honestly forget the girls who name I chose. I think she was from Bogota and althoguht she had huge tits her nips were busted (huge aeriolas if you like that) and very business. Wanted 100 k more for anal or bb but that wasnt my thing. Still a fun time still a great line up. Went early around 6 or 7. Talked to a guy who told us to avoid energy and new life as girls were uggos there. Kinda the same reviews as the forum here. Again I had limited time and didn't want to waste it so I opted out of those places for my trip. (yes I understand theres some nice ones there) but yeah I don't have time.Nice report! I was surprised though to read you had a mechanical experience with Sofia, been a couple of times with her and she's always been super passionate with me. But I know she's also really hardcore, definitely not a newbie in the game. I guess like always YMMV with any chica.

And yeah La Isla is weird, been told to 'go to the corner' myself at some times too, but most of the times they just let me sit anywhere as long as they see me drinking I guess. As I go there alone mostly I hate to buy a whole bottle of rum, I mostly just buy a beer or 3-4 and most of the times they seem ok with it. I think once they know you and they know you buy at least a few drinks, they're ok with it.

[KapnAmerica]

Botero park / plaza is not where you find most of the SWs, there is usually a couple but you need to go further south around Veracruz church. 40-50 mil + room 10 mil / half h (there are longer time hotels around if needed). Around 8 pm on Friday some start preparing to leave for Lleras but it's still not abandoned and plenty of life. Depends on weather too. Saturday daytime is where there is most girls there, especially if it's the end of the month (payday) and mid-month payday. As for clubs, in Hilton I ever paid 70-80 mil max. Nueva Avenida similar. Conejitas more expensive up to 100. Barra 100-120 (best centro club according to some). Last two have the best facilities. Nueva and Grill Occidental the worst (horrible). Hilton in the middle. New Life you definitely went too late, it's a day time place, recognized easily by blue door. You should've probably got the WT69 Medellin mongering google map, would've made finding things and navigation much easier, most of things in Centro are in walking distance really. Great reports, keep them coming.Wow, thanks for the info! You just answered all my questions in a single paragraph. Grateful is an understatement!

[GeorgeCarta22]

Nice report! I was surprised though to read you had a mechanical experience with Sofia, been a couple of times with her and she's always been super passionate with me. But I know she's also really hardcore, definitely not a newby in the game. I guess like always YMMV with any chica.

And yeah La Isla is weird, been told to 'go to the corner' myself at some times too, but most of the times they just let me sit anywhere as long as they see me drinking I guess. As I go there alone mostly I hate to buy a whole bottle of rum, I mostly just buy a beer or 3-4 and most of the times they seem ok with it. I think once they know you and they know you buy at least a few drinks, they're ok with it.Sofia- honestly maybe it wasa ymmv, but I remember she had a lot of rules like no DATY and no DFK which might just be standard loutron. The actual sex was great. She's a 10/10 looks for my so I DP fully regret not picking her again. If I were to go back she would be my pick for sure.

La isla: that's good to know but as someone who doesn't frequent there a lot ill prob never put that in that category. You got to sit anywhere if you ordered a beer? Thats crazy to me, they were so quick to give me boundries it was so insane. I dno my experience with la isla has been so poor. Wondering if I should just do a bottle service one night to see the difference. If any.

[Villainy]

Yes yes yes!

She does not need to know anyone in the club. She could have gone back in and told any local there what happened. That guy would have yelled at 2-3 buddies are even local strangers (very common thing to happen). Then go out and stolen everything on your person and maybe left you requiring medical attention. True there are tons of cameras in that area. If that makes you feel safe you are an idiot. Maybe they follow you to a camera-free area. Maybe the cops do something or do nothing. Then your whole trip would be ruined and you go back to your country because your face is messed up and have to explain to everyone why your A $$ got kicked. You owed her 50,000 at least. YOU messed up letting her walk out with you. Amazing this has to be explained to you.I would 'like' your comment if it was an option on the site. Everything you said is exactly right.

[Mr Enternational]

so the hotel didn't want to let her come to the room. I did the whole "she's my GF, I booked for 2 people" spiel, and they finally said they would let her in for an additional 100 k. I worked them down to 50 k.Very important. Just like girls, you were able to negotiate the visitor fee. The first price was not the final price.


For all I knew, my actual girlfriend could be out of town.I do not tell them I am coming either. But I do send a message asking what they are doing.


The good news is I already had a hotel room waiting for us. The bad news. I had just fucked another girl in that hotel room. Gulp!
After showering, we cuddled up and fell asleep. Did she smell the scent of another woman on the bed? Or the smell of freshly used condoms or dental dams?Man. Always clean up before you leave the room. You never know when you are coming back or who you are coming back with. I keep a small bottle of febreeze in my toiletry bag to spray on the bed.

[Dcrist0527]

My chica began dancing and grinding against me, which I very much enjoyed and made the drink I bought her seem worth it. Soon she proposed going to my hotel for three hours for 1. 2 million pesos. I said how about one hour for 400 k. She countered with 500 k and I kind of shrugged. I said I probably wanted to go to some other clubs first. She said let's go, and I followed her out of the club and downstairs. When we got downstairs, I suggested we go to one of the clubs across the street. She was much more interested in going back to my hotel. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I haven't seen anyone state this: The Kapn was negotiating pesos for time. In this instance, he wasn't negotiating per leche. That's no big deal; I never negotiate that way either. But if I make a deal for an amount of pesos for an amount of time, that's exactly what I'm doing. She's agreed to be with me for 3 hours for a payment. If I choose to bang her for 180 minutes, that's what she signed up for. But if I take her to dinner, a movie, a club or any other activity for 180 minutes, I'm saying she has fulfilled her end of the agreement. If she cut it short, then I'd say she's not entitled to the amount. But if the monger just decides to cancel it? Nah.

It seems to me that there was an opportunity for clarity, which the Kapn already acknowledged. Ignoring all the ways this could have gone wrong with locals, I do think if I agree to a price and length, then we've made a deal. I'm not saying Kapn owes her 500 k. But I do think he owes her something for shrugging and following her out.

One last comment here, because we are all suffering from the gringo hatred. Or at least the entitled attitude. But think about this interaction. Girl agrees to get plowed for 500 k. A gringo goes with her, backs out of the deal, and hands her 5 k? We're talking little more than a dollar. I know the conversation devolved and ended poorly and there's more than one person to blame for that. But, it did further cement the gringo impression. I don't know the appropriate amount. 100 k seems too much but handing her a 5 k bill is just borderline insulting.

I'd feel entirely different if the agreement was more clear. And I've done the 'let's go to a different club' approach. But if we come to an agreement of 500 k, unless she fails to hold up her end, I'm on the hook for it. We negotiate time 9 times out of 10.

[Mr Enternational]

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[TheDerilious]

I'm seeing girls me and my buddies $40 to smash years ago being taken out to France and Switzerland for fancy trips. Are y'all really taking girls who have triple digit body counts to fancy trips around the world? What is wrong with you guys? I texted a few and they said they'd see me as soon as they get back. Wow!Who cares about the body count or money paid? That girl you smashed for $40 bucks is most likely giving it for free and with real emotion to some no-name scrub who is cleaning trash down at the panaderia. Mongering is about enjoying a moment's time where you get to have an experience (have sex, feel young, wanted, virile, whatever), even if it's fake. She found her worth in the global market, nothing more or less.

The constant humble bragging about how you get it for cheap or free is no less annoying than rich dudes flaunting their ability to buy supermodels. Stop thinking about other dudes and enjoy your own time.

[Nounce]

Buying her a drink is a courtesy he chose. She didn't bother him for a drink and I would assume you would buy a girl a drink for a quick chat if you want to pay to bang her.
The OP said she asked for a drink. There is no need to buy the girl a drink to just have a few words or initial interview. It's just giving money away to the club. If you want girl to sit and spend time with you, then that is another story.

[Nounce]

One thing about this girl, is she knows how to handle me despite her young age. I am the type who has high expectations and can be fairly impatient. She knows how to talk me down whenever I get riled up.I would just tell her my requirement in WhatsApp and not in person. Given that she just had a kid, that means she had sex without condom with other men. BBBJ should be default. 300 is a large amount of money if she is not a working girl and needs money. 22 is not young in Medellin.

[KapnAmerica]

I would just tell her my requirement in WhatsApp and not in person. Given that she just had a kid, that means she had sex without condom with other men. BBBJ should be default. 300 is a large amount of money if she is not a working girl and needs money. I won't even pay her that much. 22 is not young in Medellin.Well, she claimed she got knocked up by a guy she was in a relationship with who then bailed on her. I believe her. I feel like I am kind of locked in to 300 k at this point, and given her situation, I know it's going to a good cause.

It's a good thing she's only a semi-pro, because I probably wouldn't even have a chance at her if she did it full time. Some rich guy would likely be leaned back in a recliner somewhere in France or Switzerland with his eyes rolling out of the back of his head. This girl has magnificent oral skills.

[SankarShetty]

Who cares about the body count or money paid? That girl you smashed for $40 bucks is most likely giving it for free and with real emotion to some no-name scrub who is cleaning trash down at the panaderia. Mongering is about enjoying a moment's time where you get to have an experience (have sex, feel young, wanted, virile, whatever), even if it's fake. She found her worth in the global market, nothing more or less.

The constant humble bragging about how you get it for cheap or free is no less annoying than rich dudes flaunting their ability to buy supermodels. Stop thinking about other dudes and enjoy your own time.I have personally more than 10 chicas in the past few months who began to travel with their benefactors. The chicas are in Dubai, Turkey and Italy. Couple of them started off in new life and one other centro casa but most come from dating sites and fb. I am amazed at the upward mobility of these chicas. They send me pics of cool resorts off italian coast or from malls in Dubai. I cannot but smile reminiscing the time I spent with them in their barrios in doce Oct. Or popular etc.

I used to feel good taking these chicas from those barrios to bars and restaurants in provenza and envigado. Now some one is taking them to 80 USD drink places in europe. Thats a long way to go.

[Hobo3]

Who cares about the body count or money paid? That girl you smashed for $40 bucks is most likely giving it for free and with real emotion to some no-name scrub who is cleaning trash down at the panaderia. Mongering is about enjoying a moment's time where you get to have an experience (have sex, feel young, wanted, virile, whatever), even if it's fake. She found her worth in the global market, nothing more or less.
What a clown response. Needlessly aggressive way to spew your silly world view. If a guy wants to take a girl who's has a body count in the triple digits on a several thousand dollar trip instead of finding a non-pro that's on him. Don't get all butt hurt because those of us who can take non-pros on trips find it disgusting and utterly sad for some men, that's their only option. I'm not bragging about spending $40. That's what the experience was worth for 15 minutes of pleasure. It's people like you who feel like there's nothing wrong with spending endless amounts of money on pros. You're part of the reason the prices are going up. With your silly "Hey Guys if you want to spend $500 for one night with a girl who's going to bang 5 other guys that week go ahead and do it" nonsense. Not everybody shares your world view, and I don't appreciate you trying to force that pathetic worldview down my throat. Here we all have different perspectives and you should respect that instead of getting butt hurt and telling people how they should see the world.

[Sangnyc21]

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[Nounce]

I probably wouldn't even have a chance at her if she did it full timeI think this is because she does not know how things work, or how to find customers. That is why you don't have to pay her that much and can negotiate from the position of strength. You can always have more sessions with her to make her work for your money. Money is like drug. They can get addicted to it in her situation. If you pay her more per fuck, you are going to lose some leverage.

[Recondite]

I can relate to those cleanup issues. I've definitely been on my hands and knees searching for stray hairs or worse yet condoms and condom wrappers. For me it's about not wanting to come off as a complete man working girl as well as coming off as neat and clean. I do date a bunch and also embrace ambiguity, which is fhe opposite of most of you and prevailing advice. But its worked really well for me. Lately I've been buying and bringing 5 ML atomizers I fill with 4 or 5 of my favorite scents. Partly It's fun to ask girls which one they like best and tailor to them as well as having options for myself. More importantly, I also spray the bed with a different one than the one I'm wearing that day if I've after having a girl over.

My question to you is have you asked your girlfriend if she's open to the idea of a trio? It might just be my luck but my ex and another couple semi / nonpro girls I know are cool with trios. I've known one of those girls for a year and a half and just had my first trio with her recentlu. She's been catching feelings for me a bit and morphed from a semipro to coming over for free and our sex has just been getting crazier and crazier. Anyway during the trio she must have squirted 4 times including with the other girl getting her off with a vibrator. Mind you she'd never been with another girl before and I had no idea how it was going to go. What was hot, though, was when we talked afterwards she said what turned her on the most was pleasing me and watching me during the trio. I knew she was a pleaser but that turned it up a notch. She knows I see other women and doesn't make any demands on me besides condoms with other girls. But I personally would have no issue committing to a woman who would be open to trios or swinging and limiting my experiences with other women to shared activities.

Anyway, the point is you can find girls that are up for trios and swinging here pretty easily and your girlfriend might be one of them. I've yet to meet a Colombian woman wirh sexual hangups and I've never had a negative response to a respectful conversation about sexual likes and dislikes. If she's into trios or open to swinging its perfect way to have your cake and eat it too without risking your relationship.



One thing I didn't have to worry about after sex: hairs. My girlfriend and the Vennie both have black hair of about the same length, so any hairs found in the room from that point on would not arouse any suspicion. But the thing that bothered the shit out of me was the condoms in the trash can. I was constantly worried that my girlfriend would somehow find them when she was in the bathroom taking a shower. And there is no way of explaining my way around that, even though I've never used condoms with her so there is still a glimmer of very implausible deniability. There is no logical reason that a woman would take a trash bag out of a trash can in a hotel, but women do weird shit like that

[KapnAmerica]

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I haven't seen anyone state this: The Kapn was negotiating pesos for time. In this instance, he wasn't negotiating per leche. That's no big deal; I never negotiate that way either. But if I make a deal for an amount of pesos for an amount of time, that's exactly what I'm doing. She's agreed to be with me for 3 hours for a payment. If I choose to bang her for 180 minutes, that's what she signed up for. But if I take her to dinner, a movie, a club or any other activity for 180 minutes, I'm saying she has fulfilled her end of the agreement. If she cut it short, then I'd say she's not entitled to the amount. But if the monger just decides to cancel it? Nah.

It seems to me that there was an opportunity for clarity, which the Kapn already acknowledged. Ignoring all the ways this could have gone wrong with locals, I do think if I agree to a price and length, then we've made a deal. I'm not saying Kapn owes her 500 k. But I do think he owes her something for shrugging and following her out.

One last comment here, because we are all suffering from the gringo hatred. Or at least the entitled attitude. But think about this interaction. Girl agrees to get plowed for 500 k. A gringo goes with her, backs out of the deal, and hands her 5 k? We're talking little more than a dollar. I know the conversation devolved and ended poorly and there's more than one person to blame for that. But, it did further cement the gringo impression. I don't know the appropriate amount. 100 k seems too much but handing her a 5 k bill is just borderline insulting.

I'd feel entirely different if the agreement was more clear. And I've done the 'let's go to a different club' approach. But if we come to an agreement of 500 k, unless she fails to hold up her end, I'm on the hook for it. We negotiate time 9 times out of 10.I respect your view on this and it honestly is something I have never really thought hard about. In my relatively short time mongering, I have always assumed that the clock does not "start" until, at the very earliest, the moment the girl and I step into the hotel room or private room. I generally assume that the clock doesn't start until our clothes start coming off or there is some type of foreplay. And many times I will look at my watch before we get started and confirm that the time has just now started and ends at X time. Then set my watch on the nightstand so I can pace myself. I have never yet had a single girl tell me that the clock started before we walked in the room.

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.

But honestly, I can't really prove you wrong. I usually do ask how much it costs for a certain amount of time and get a price. I have never specified when the time starts. I have always assumed that "one hour" means "one hour of sex. " And I think it does to most people. No one is agreeing to pay a chica 500 k to go to dinner or a movie with them. But I really hate having to rely on an unspoken assumption to get what I bargained for.

So thank you for your response, because I know it is going to save me trouble down the road. I can assure you that if I had gone to the room with that girl and she had told me that I was already 20 minutes into my hour, I would have been irate. Just hearing your view confirms that I made a great decision to walk away as soon as my ears stopped ringing. That situation was about to go south very quickly.

I have been tempted to walk into bars with a typed-out and printed piece of paper folded in my pocket which spells out in explicit detail all of my terms and conditions for a sex-for-money agreement. Including when the clock starts, when money will be paid, and any allowable deductions for incomplete performance. With a blank space for the time and amount of money, and two blanks at the bottom for me and the chica to sign. One copy for me, one copy for her. I have brushed that idea aside because it seems overly formal and tacky. But the more time I have spent in Colombia, and the more viewpoints like yours I have seen in this forum, the more I feel like doing that should be common procedure. It some ways it seems sad, but in other ways it seems almost necessary.

I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?

The insulting thing is when someone starts "converting" pesos to dollars to justify foreigners paying more money simply because they are foreigners. As has been reiterated on this thread, Medellin is not Miami. Just like it costs a chica money to get to the club, it costs us money to get to the club too. Our time when we are there is also valuable, I would say just as valuable as the chicas. So when I start hearing comments like "that's only $20" from greedy tourist-trap operating Colombians, I think, "there are many people in this city who worked hard all day and didn't make that much. " What makes them feel entitled to more than others earn in a day, just because they think they can guilt a foreigner from a wealthy into paying it? The insult is thinking we are dumb enough to fall for it.

I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " But don't pay what the door man suggested, that's too much. But make sure to pay enough that you don't get beaten up by random dudes trying to defend her honor. Haha. I just have to shake my head and say to each his own.

As for the reputation of gringos in Medellin, that's already been shot to pieces hasn't it? Maybe if we had more gringos walking away from questionable situations, our reputation would actually improve. Just a thought.

All I really ask is to be treated the same as a local or a Latino tourist. I can tell you that when I was in Lima, I felt that I was treated the same as a local in virtually every respect, and maybe even better in some instances. And I really appreciated that. Meanwhile, gringo tourists in Medellin collectively seem to have no problem with the adult entertainment industry treating them like social pariahs and walking ATMs. If we don't start demanding some respect, it will only get worse. Fortunately, Medellin isn't the only place to monger. So maybe many of those punters waiting in that snaking immigration line should consider heading to greener pastures in Latin America. I honestly think the city of Medellin would prefer that; they don't seem to want us there.

[KapnAmerica]

I can relate to those cleanup issues. I've definitely been on my hands and knees searching for stray hairs or worse yet condoms and condom wrappers. For me it's about not wanting to come off as a complete man working girl as well as coming off as neat and clean. I do date a bunch and also embrace ambiguity, which is fhe opposite of most of you and prevailing advice. But its worked really well for me. Lately I've been buying and bringing 5 ML atomizers I fill with 4 or 5 of my favorite scents. Partly It's fun to ask girls which one they like best and tailor to them as well as having options for myself. More importantly, I also spray the bed with a different one than the one I'm wearing that day if I've after having a girl over.

My question to you is have you asked your girlfriend if she's open to the idea of a trio? It might just be my luck but my ex and another couple semi / nonpro girls I know are cool with trios. I've known one of those girls for a year and a half and just had my first trio with her recentlu. She's been catching feelings for me a bit and morphed from a semipro to coming over for free and our sex has just been getting crazier and crazier. Anyway during the trio she must have squirted 4 times including with the other girl getting her off with a vibrator. Mind you she'd never been with another girl before and I had no idea how it was going to go. What was hot, though, was when we talked afterwards she said what turned her on the most was pleasing me and watching me during the trio. I knew she was a pleaser but that turned it up a notch. She knows I see other women and doesn't make any demands on me besides condoms with other girls. But I personally would have no issue committing to a woman who would be open to trios or swinging and limiting my experiences with other women to shared activities.

Anyway, the point is you can find girls that are up for trios and swinging here pretty easily and your girlfriend might be one of them. I've yet to meet a Colombian woman wirh sexual hangups and I've never had a negative response to a respectful conversation about sexual likes and dislikes. If she's into trios or open to swinging its perfect way to have your cake and eat it too without risking your relationship.I am 99.9% certain that my girlfriend would recoil at the idea of a trio. So sure, in fact, that I would not even suggest it. Honestly, the idea does not appeal to me, because I like to keep my relationship with her and my mongering activities completely separate. I might have a change of heart once she and I get quite a bit older.

And based on your description of your threesome, I am now sure that mine did not go as well as possible. Congrats on finding a real gem there. I wouldn't mind having a regular girl who is genuinely into threesomes, but haven't been lucky enough to find one yet.

[GeorgeCarta22]

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I haven't seen anyone state this: The Kapn was negotiating pesos for time. In this instance, he wasn't negotiating per leche. That's no big deal; I never negotiate that way either.

0.Interesting. Just curious why you negotiate that way.

I guess to argue against myself sometimes I pop fast and sometimes I chilling with the girl. I dno I'm wondering if I'm missing out on an opportunity I didn't think about by negotiating per hour instead.

[Mr Enternational]

I would 'like' your comment if it was an option on the site. Everything you said is exactly right.If this is the case then why even go outside of your house? Local goons do not need a hooker that walked outside and did not get paid as an excuse to whoop a foreigner's ass and take his money. They can whoop your ass and take all your money on gp and not have to split it with some random hooker. You guys and these old wives tales.

[Mr Enternational]

But if we come to an agreement of 500 k, unless she fails to hold up her end, I'm on the hook for it. We negotiate time 9 times out of 10.You know how many hookers have gone with someone and did not hold up their end? Then what? Does she say I know I promised a blow job without a condom, but I will not do that. Only give me 350 K instead of the 500 K you promised. No she does not. She still wants the 500 K. So whether she holds up her end or not, you are still on the hook for the full money.

Then if he had taken her and things went awry, people would say you should have seen the red flags. I do not know about you, but I am definitely not paying for red flags. Either way the shit goes, people are always going to say the monger is at fault.

She can walk out with 5 dudes per night and start some goofy shit when they get outside. Let some people tell it, each person should still give her 100,000 pesos, so she goes home with 500,000 pesos for doing shit all night except escorting folks outside. Then down the road you got people complaining about how the girls do, when they fostered it by paying them anyway when they did it. Guys are their own worst enemy when it comes to women.

[Mr Enternational]

Well, she claimed she got knocked up by a guy she was in a relationship with who then bailed on her. That was your time to say and look at me still here and you will not even suck my dick without a condom. I must be doing something wrong if you are going to treat a guy that leaves you like a king, but one that keeps giving you 300 K like a stranger.

[Dcrist0527]

Interesting. Just curious why you negotiate that way.

I guess to argue against myself sometimes I pop fast and sometimes I chilling with the girl. I dno I'm wondering if I'm missing out on an opportunity I didn't think about by negotiating per hour instead.I could be very wrong. But I'm operating on the assumption most of us negotiate in terms of time. That's what the Kapn said, but I do know some negotiate per shot. Why do I negotiate on time? Well, two reasons. One: I'm old. On a good day I get two shots. So I try for a daytime shot and a nighttime option. A second shot won't happen without a couple hours in between. Getting old sucks. Haha But almost as importantly, I do not want to be rushed. In fact, there are few things that are more of a turnoff to me than a chica trying to speed things along. Especially with a condom, I'm pretty lucky if I shoot off in 30 minutes. So generally, I prefer longer dates. Somewhere between 2 and 3 hours is my sweet spot. I like to make some level of connection. I am convinced that is the most important ingredient to a less transactional interaction. I'm just not into wham bam now leave. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, if that's what you enjoy. It's just not me. So, for those reasons, I always negotiate time.

[KapnAmerica]

That was your time to say and look at me still here and you will not even suck my dick without a condom. I must be doing something wrong if you are going to treat a guy that leaves you like a king, but one that keeps giving you 300 K like a stranger.Haha! Man, I tried everything. I actually didn't find out about her having a baby until after the deed was done and we were at dinner. Maybe I could have used that one if I had known sooner. I'll definitely tuck it away for next time.

Now that she has made me think about it so much and has put up so much resistance, it will be quite a thrill if she ever does it for me. Maybe that's her plan. Keep me satisfied but always wanting more.

[MiamiBoy1]

I respect your view on this and it honestly is something I have never really thought hard about. In my relatively short time mongering, I have always assumed that the clock does not "start" until, at the very earliest, the moment the girl and I step into the hotel room or private room. I generally assume that the clock doesn't start until our clothes start coming off or there is some type of foreplay. And many times I will look at my watch before we get started and confirm that the time has just now started and ends at X time. Then set my watch on the nightstand so I can pace myself. I have never yet had a single girl tell me that the clock started before we walked in the room.

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.

But honestly, I can't really prove you wrong. I usually do ask how much it costs for a certain amount of time and get a price. I have never specified when the time starts. I have always assumed that "one hour" means "one hour of sex. " And I think it does to most people. No one is agreeing to pay a chica 500 k to go to dinner or a movie with them. But I really hate having to rely on an unspoken assumption to get what I bargained for.

So thank you for your response, because I know it is going to save me trouble down the road. I can assure you that if I had gone to the room with that girl and she had told me that I was already 20 minutes into my hour, I would have been irate. Just hearing your view confirms that I made a great decision to walk away as soon as my ears stopped ringing. That situation was about to go south very quickly.

I have been tempted to walk into bars with a typed-out and printed piece of paper folded in my pocket which spells out in explicit detail all of my terms and conditions for a sex-for-money agreement. Including when the clock starts, when money will be paid, and any allowable deductions for incomplete performance. With a blank space for the time and amount of money, and two blanks at the bottom for me and the chica to sign. One copy for me, one copy for her. I have brushed that idea aside because it seems overly formal and tacky. But the more time I have spent in Colombia, and the more viewpoints like yours I have seen in this forum, the more I feel like doing that should be common procedure. It some ways it seems sad, but in other ways it seems almost necessary.

I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?

The insulting thing is when someone starts "converting" pesos to dollars to justify foreigners paying more money simply because they are foreigners. As has been reiterated on this thread, Medellin is not Miami. Just like it costs a chica money to get to the club, it costs us money to get to the club too. Our time when we are there is also valuable, I would say just as valuable as the chicas. So when I start hearing comments like "that's only $20" from greedy tourist-trap operating Colombians, I think, "there are many people in this city who worked hard all day and didn't make that much. " What makes them feel entitled to more than others earn in a day, just because they think they can guilt a foreigner from a wealthy into paying it? The insult is thinking we are dumb enough to fall for it.

I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " But don't pay what the door man suggested, that's too much. But make sure to pay enough that you don't get beaten up by random dudes trying to defend her honor. Haha. I just have to shake my head and say to each his own.

As for the reputation of gringos in Medellin, that's already been shot to pieces hasn't it? Maybe if we had more gringos walking away from questionable situations, our reputation would actually improve. Just a thought.

All I really ask is to be treated the same as a local or a Latino tourist. I can tell you that when I was in Lima, I felt that I was treated the same as a local in virtually every respect, and maybe even better in some instances. And I really appreciated that. Meanwhile, gringo tourists in Medellin collectively seem to have no problem with the adult entertainment industry treating them like social pariahs and walking ATMs. If we don't start demanding some respect, it will only get worse. Fortunately, Medellin isn't the only place to monger. So maybe many of those punters waiting in that snaking immigration line should consider heading to greener pastures in Latin America. I honestly think the city of Medellin would prefer that; they don't seem to want us there.My understanding is the deal was 500 mil for 1 HR of sex, correct? If so, why did you want to check out another club with her? You expected her to hang out with you at some other place for some time, and only after that, head back to your hotel? This doesn't make any sense. Of course she wanted to go straight to your hotel, and once you are done, probably head back to gustos to get another client or just call it a night and go home. Another thing, is that you bailed out once you got out of the club. You could not make up your mind while in the club? I don't get it. Either you are interested in fucking her and make a deal you commit to, or don't make a deal at all. Make up your mind, you are a grown man.

[Nounce]

I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did.You made many questionable choices that put yourself in a disadvantageous position. What matters is what would you do next time in the same situation?

[Nounce]

You're just a bitter soul that hates on women .Then don't call those women ugly. They are just innocent bystanders.

[TheDerilious]

I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " But don't pay what the door man suggested, that's too much. But make sure to pay enough that you don't get beaten up by random dudes trying to defend her honor. Haha. I just have to shake my head and say to each his own.
Yeah, don't get me wrong; I don't think there was a "correct" amount to pay her and I think you did the best you could in that situation since that is a major edge case in the situation of cancelling a session. I think you paid a reasonable amount for what the situation entailed since you "made good" on cancelling the session and the bouncer let you walk off. In another situation, with another bouncer, you might have had to pay more or get your ass kicked and that would have been described to you explicitly. And whatever you paid that that point would have been fair.

The important part to note (and how to better handle the situation in the future) is you should just know that walking out of the bar with a chick is an admission that you want to pay for sex and that is the expectation. Yes, you have some leeway to get back to you place and the "clock" doesn't start until you generally get to the apartment, but there is an expectation of paying a chick for time wasted unless she is the one trying to back out. You can't just expect to take a prepago out to bars for hours on end then start the clock / pay for a 30 minute sex session. Again, your situation was an edge case on the other end of the spectrum and some girls might have even let it slide, but it's still the expectation to adhere to.

[KapnAmerica]

My understanding is the deal was 500 mil for 1 HR of sex, correct? If so, why did you want to check out another club with her? You expected her to hang out with you at some other place for some time, and only after that, head back to your hotel? This doesn't make any sense. Of course she wanted to go straight to your hotel, and once you are done, probably head back to gustos to get another client or just call it a night and go home. Another thing, is that you bailed out once you got out of the club. You could not make up your mind while in the club? I don't get it. Either you are interested in fucking her and make a deal you commit to, or don't make a deal at all. Make up your mind, you are a grown man.Thanks for the advice, Miami Boy. I didn't make a deal and no, I could not make up my mind while I was in the club. Maybe after some more flirting and clubbing I could have been convinced to fuck her for 400 k, but at the time we stepped out of the club, it was a definite "no" for me. 500 k was her counteroffer and, although that is a reasonable counter in Gusto's, that was never going to happen no matter how much time we spent together.

So she seemed like a nice enough girl in the club, and I wanted to give her the opportunity to persuade me further to take her to bed, by perhaps accompanying me to other clubs. Her demeanor changed once we got outside the club and that was a big turn off for me. She didn't seem interested in investing more time and energy to convince me to make a deal for sex, which up to that point, I hadn't made. So that's when I made up my mind to walk away. Like a grown man.

Now that I know some on this forum could have construed her counteroffer as proposing 500 k for an hour of doing anything, I am very glad I made the decision I did. Because I could have spent an hour with that girl at another club, thinking she was trying hard to earn my business, and then she could have claimed I owed her 500 k. What a disaster that would have been.

For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.

As for the guys who say "that's not how it works", well, that's how it works with me. Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. If she wants my money badly enough, she'll do what it takes to get me to agree to give it to her. If I want her pussy badly enough, I'll do what she requires for me to get it. But what I won't do is guilt myself into handing out free money that hasn't been earned.

Next time I am in a Colombian club or bar, I'm going to do a little experiment. I am going to ask the girl early on in the conversation whether she expects money for anything other than sex. If she says yes, I will tell her thank you and that will be the end of our conversation. On to the next one. If she says no, we proceed on. I'll then emphasize that the time she spends with me that night may not ultimately lead to sex, and she might not receive any money from spending time with me. Are you ok with that? She either accepts or the conversation ends. I'll be sure to report back on the results.

[KapnAmerica]

The important part to note (and how to better handle the situation in the future) is you should just know that walking out of the bar with a chick is an admission that you want to pay for sex and that is the expectation. Yes, you have some leeway to get back to you place and the "clock" doesn't start until you generally get to the apartment, but there is an expectation of paying a chick for time wasted unless she is the one trying to back out. You can't just expect to take a prepago out to bars for hours on end then start the clock / pay for a 30 minute sex session. Again, your situation was an edge case on the other end of the spectrum and some girls might have even let it slide, but it's still the expectation to adhere to.Thanks for the kind words and good advice. It's good to know what the general expectations are. Now I know more about when I need to communicate and clarify my way of approaching things which is not in line with those standard expectations, to avoid awkward situations and misunderstanding in the future.

[Dcrist0527]

I respect your view on this and it honestly is something I have never really thought hard about. In my relatively short time mongering, I have always assumed that the clock does not "start" until, at the very earliest, the moment the girl and I step into the hotel room or private room. I generally assume that the clock doesn't start until our clothes start coming off or there is some type of foreplay. And many times I will look at my watch before we get started and confirm that the time has just now started and ends at X time. Then set my watch on the nightstand so I can pace myself. I have never yet had a single girl tell me that the clock started before we walked in the room.

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.Hopefully, others will weigh in here. All I can do is offer my approach and my experience. My perspective: I don't think the time necessarily starts for a 20 minute taxi ride. But if you're going to hang out in other bars for an hour or more, then yes, I think she'd expect to be compensated for that time. Said differently, a taxi ride time is the cost of doing business for her. Going to other clubs is over and above that. But that's just my opinion and we all know about opinions. LOL.


I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?I'll agree to disagree here. I totally get what you are saying. And honestly, I can't come up with the right amount. This is a bad analogy. But one reason I don't do alot of mileroticos, facebook, escort sites is because it's somewhat site unseen. If I agree to an hour with a girl from mileroticos and I end up wanting to back out for whatever reason after she arrives, I think it's fair to throw her 20 k or so for taxi and time wasted. Again, bad analogy because your girl wasn't really out any money. (I frequent Gustos often and I'm calling BS on her not being allowed back in. I know first hand they can go back in, so I think she's lying about that.) Like I said, I'll respectfully disagree because I think 20 k or maybe 40 k feels right to me.


I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " I'm stating the obvious. But brother, you don't own any of us anything. It's your money and your decisions. Opinions are like assholes, right? My own included. My only valid piece of advice would be to come to a more firm agreement before leaving with her. You said you shrugged. So yes, I can see where you can say there was no firm agreement.

You make a fair point about "it's only a couple dollars. " For me, I am ok wasting $4 to keep the peace if we're talking about a grey area. You mentioned being treated like a local. Again. Just my opinion. It'll never happen. I think some gringos that live there year round probably get some discounts and benefits. But they still aren't locals. It's a fact I despise but 95% of paisas see green when they see Americans. It takes a long time to overcome that dynamic and it'll never happen unless you're there full time.

I appreciate your response and best of luck, brother.

[Dcrist0527]

You know how many hookers have gone with someone and did not hold up their end? Then what? Does she say I know I promised a blow job without a condom, but I will not do that. Only give me 350 K instead of the 500 K you promised. No she does not. She still wants the 500 K. So whether she holds up her end or not, you are still on the hook for the full money.

Then if he had taken her and things went awry, people would say you should have seen the red flags. I do not know about you, but I am definitely not paying for red flags. Either way the shit goes, people are always going to say the monger is at fault.

She can walk out with 5 dudes per night and start some goofy shit when they get outside. Let some people tell it, each person should still give her 100,000 pesos, so she goes home with 500,000 pesos for doing shit all night except escorting folks outside. Then down the road you got people complaining about how the girls do, when they fostered it by paying them anyway when they did it. Guys are their own worst enemy when it comes to women.We're talking about two very different things. In your scenairo, there is a clear agreement. And she didn't hold up her end of the argument. To be honest, I guess I've been lucky but I've never had that come up. Colombia or elsewhere, I've never had a girl not deliever on what we discussed. (Talent level aside. LOL) So I can only answer hypothetically but if she doesn't hold up her end of the deal, neither am I. I'm not paying for services not rendered. Call the police. LOL I realize the bravado I'm able to employ in a hypothetical. But I'd go to the mat if she backs out of services we agree to.

That's very different than what the OP stated. There was a somewhat ambiguous agreement. They hadn't even gone in a taxi. And I'm saying 20 k, not 150 k difference. Listen, I see both sides on this. An argument can be made for either side. In the end, as I said, I think the monger is at fault because they were negotiating TIME. If I'm going to consume a not insignificant amount of her time by going to other clubs, I do think she'd expect to be compensated for that time. He did not consume that time so he doesn't owe her the 500 k. My interpretation was the monger was at fault for the ambiguity and 5 usd seems like a small concession. Is that mandatory? Of course not. But just my opinion. Did my $5 just ruin the price structure? No, it did not.

[Mr Enternational]

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.

I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?Blows my mind too. But you have to understand this is gringo culture that they have brought to Colombia. This is how they have turned the place into Miamillin.

You can go into a strip club or casa where Colombians are and watch them drink and shoot the shit with a girl and touch on her all afternoon or night. When they get up to go home after not fucking the chick, they leave nothing and are expected to leave nothing. But with gringo culture you must even pay the chick for buying her a drink and her having a conversation with you because you are "taking up her time. ".

[Villainy]

If this is the case then why even go outside of your house? Local goons do not need a hooker that walked outside and did not get paid as an excuse to whoop a foreigner's ass and take his money. They can whoop your ass and take all your money on gp and not have to split it with some random hooker. You guys and these old wives tales.I'm not sure what your point was. If, indeed, there was one. I live in Medellin. I haven't gotten my ass kicked, mostly because I am not stupid enough to give anyone a reason. I don't walk out of a contact / meeting bar with a girl and then decide I don't want to go with her after-all AND refuse to give her something that will soothe the situation. Did she deserve it? No, probably not. But a smarter person might think of it as insurance. 10 or 15 dollars worth of COP insures she isn't pissed and I don't have to worry that she might have a primo or ex in the area who would put me in the ICU just for being an asshole.

[TheDerilious]

What a clown response. Needlessly aggressive way to spew your silly world view. If a guy wants to take a girl who's has a body count in the triple digits on a several thousand dollar trip instead of finding a non-pro that's on him. Don't get all butt hurt because those of us who can take non-pros on trips find it disgusting and utterly sad for some men, that's their only option. I'm not bragging about spending $40. That's what the experience was worth for 15 minutes of pleasure. It's people like you who feel like there's nothing wrong with spending endless amounts of money on pros. You're part of the reason the prices are going up. With your silly "Hey Guys if you want to spend $500 for one night with a girl who's going to bang 5 other guys that week go ahead and do it" nonsense. Not everybody shares your world view, and I don't appreciate you trying to force that pathetic worldview down my throat. Here we all have different perspectives and you should respect that instead of getting butt hurt and telling people how they should see the world.So you get to post the 1 millionth iteration of "why are simps paying girls more than 20 k, they are all Centro rats" but me calling out the behavior is "forcing a worldview"? The snowflake behavior is wild sometimes. I respect people finding the best deal that works for them. Yes, there is a line on overpaying for girls that is frustrating and I, myself, would never pay for a girl's OF unless I was getting a private 1-on-1 meetup from it, but most of these complaints always boil down the perceived injustice of being priced out of a market rather than actually missing out on beautiful women.

If I really did think people should spend whatever they want, I wouldn't be coming to Medellin in August to sample the women. I would just be paying OF models or something. It's just tiring to hear about people crying over oil sheiks paying girls to come to Dubai. Those dudes are rich. Those thousands they spend are worth less to them the 50 k pesos you are spending in Centro. Make peace with it. If you want to talk about price inflation or Lleras pricing, sure, but the rest is just complaining.

[Sangnyc21]

So you get to post the 1 millionth iteration of "why are simps paying girls more than 20 k, they are all Centro rats" but me calling out the behavior is "forcing a worldview"? The snowflake behavior is wild sometimes. I respect people finding the best deal that works for them. Yes, there is a line on overpaying for girls that is frustrating and I, myself, would never pay for a girl's OF unless I was getting a private 1-on-1 meetup from it, but most of these complaints always boil down the perceived injustice of being priced out of a market rather than actually missing out on beautiful women.

If I really did think people should spend whatever they want, I wouldn't be coming to Medellin in August to sample the women. I would just be paying OF models or something. It's just tiring to hear about people crying over oil sheiks paying girls to come to Dubai. Those dudes are rich. Those thousands they spend are worth less to them the 50 k pesos you are spending in Centro. Make peace with it. If you want to talk about price inflation or Lleras pricing, sure, but the rest is just complaining.The constant beating of the same dead horse from same exact type of monger. You're ruining the price LOL.

The best quote I ever heard to debunk this dumb theory.

"What one pays for his steak will not effect the price of what one pays for his burger ".

[GeorgeCarta22]

I could be very wrong. But I'm operating on the assumption most of us negotiate in terms of time. That's what the Kapn said, but I do know some negotiate per shot. Why do I negotiate on time? Well, two reasons. One: I'm old. On a good day I get two shots. So I try for a daytime shot and a nighttime option. A second shot won't happen without a couple hours in between. Getting old sucks. Haha But almost as importantly, I do not want to be rushed. In fact, there are few things that are more of a turnoff to me than a chica trying to speed things along. Especially with a condom, I'm pretty lucky if I shoot off in 30 minutes. So generally, I prefer longer dates. Somewhere between 2 and 3 hours is my sweet spot. I like to make some level of connection. I am convinced that is the most important ingredient to a less transactional interaction. I'm just not into wham bam now leave. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, if that's what you enjoy. It's just not me. So, for those reasons, I always negotiate time.I am sorta getting on the older side. Tmi my guy needs meds to stay up sometimes esp if I'm on party treats.

So I completely agree with what you said. I also agree making a connections makes the sex more enjoyable for me too.

Oddly enough even though I agree with all your points I still negotiate per shot. At least in my small experience. The girls hurry and rush out but don't hury me as much in the bed.

[GeorgeCarta22]

Thanks for the advice, Miami Boy. I didn't make a deal and no, I could not make up my mind while I was in the club. Maybe after some more flirting and clubbing I could have been convinced to fuck her for 400 k, but at the time we stepped out of the club, it was a definite "no" for me. 500 k was her counteroffer and, although that is a reasonable counter in Gusto's, that was never going to happen no matter how much time we spent together.

So she seemed like a nice enough girl in the club, and I wanted to give her the opportunity to persuade me further to take her to bed, by perhaps accompanying me to other clubs. Her demeanor changed once we got outside the club and that was a big turn off for me. She didn't seem interested in investing more time and energy to convince me to make a deal for sex, which up to that point, I hadn't made. So that's when I made up my mind to walk away. Like a grown man.

Honestly I have no idea what these guys are arguing about with their opinions.

I COMPLETELY agree with what you did.

Once I feel a sudden shift or the thing I "bought" is no longer the product I wanted. I am NOT buying it. Whatever you did after. Who cares. Whatever. You still kept that money in your pocket. Better then paying for buyers remorse. Good report BTW.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm seeing girls me and my buddies $40 to smash years ago being taken out to France and Switzerland for fancy trips. Are y'all really taking girls who have triple digit body counts to fancy trips around the world? What is wrong with you guys? I texted a few and they said they'd see me as soon as they get back. Wow!So I see this black girl in Santa Fe once and she is smoking. I am spent but she was the hottest girl I had seen there. On a return trip, I run into it, and she is even better looking up close. She is a workout fiend and has a chiseled body. I think I pay her 50,000 k which is like $12.50 at the time, and she is great in the sack and finishes off with a killer massage. Then we get the fucking knock at the door. I hated it but I really had to go.

I get her number and text her when I return. I ruin things for other guys because this time I ask her, "How much is it so that everyone leaves the fuck alone for a hour?" So we are $25 instead of $12.50. I guess I fucked things up paying that but in reality it was $12.50 for the girl and $12.50 not to be bugged.

The back rub is amazing. I go with that first because I just got off the flight. Then we move onto the main course. We have been texting. She is more comfortable with me and vice versa and she puts me inside her without a condom. Unlike any other time in Santa Fe, the sex is volcanic.

She is so fucking good I start talking about taking her on a trip. Now I mentioned somewhere in Colombia, but if I wanted to go to France and Switzerland, yeah, I would pay her what it took to come. I am not sure what price I would pay but if she was down with taking a trip and asked for $500 a day, I would have done it. What is my alternative? The cost of a woman of that quality in France or Switzerland is $500 an hour and the SF gal would be with me for the day, gives killer massages, fucks me bare, and I happened to like her. The chances of getting better in France or Switzerland is slim to none.

For the life of me, I have never heard a guy balk at fucking a girl with a high body count. I have seen that with relationships but not with just fucking. If any guy with some average looking woman tried to tell me his woman was better because she had a lower body count, I would have laughed in this face.

And then there is the final reason not to do this trip is the market back in Colombia. Are you really asking me or any other guy to give up a week of great sex because of some randos on the internet? LOL. You mean you would give up bareback sex with a women with a killer body for me? LOL. Get the fuck out of here!

[Sangnyc21]

My understanding is the deal was 500 mil for 1 HR of sex, correct? If so, why did you want to check out another club with her? You expected her to hang out with you at some other place for some time, and only after that, head back to your hotel? This doesn't make any sense. Of course she wanted to go straight to your hotel, and once you are done, probably head back to gustos to get another client or just call it a night and go home. Another thing, is that you bailed out once you got out of the club. You could not make up your mind while in the club? I don't get it. Either you are interested in fucking her and make a deal you commit to, or don't make a deal at all. Make up your mind, you are a grown man.If 500 mil is considered high end to people and you're expecting full on GFE treatment from girls in higher end establishments then I think Colombia is not the place for you anymore.

La isla is 550 mil standard price for 45 min for a CBJ and CFS. So idk what people are expecting. Maybe the fb scene or centro scene is better off for ones budget is service is most important requirement.

[Sangnyc21]

Thanks for the advice, Miami Boy. I didn't make a deal and no, I could not make up my mind while I was in the club. Maybe after some more flirting and clubbing I could have been convinced to fuck her for 400 k, but at the time we stepped out of the club, it was a definite "no" for me. 500 k was her counteroffer and, although that is a reasonable counter in Gusto's, that was never going to happen no matter how much time we spent together.

So she seemed like a nice enough girl in the club, and I wanted to give her the opportunity to persuade me further to take her to bed, by perhaps accompanying me to other clubs. Her demeanor changed once we got outside the club and that was a big turn off for me. She didn't seem interested in investing more time and energy to convince me to make a deal for sex, which up to that point, I hadn't made. So that's when I made up my mind to walk away. Like a grown man.

Now that I know some on this forum could have construed her counteroffer as proposing 500 k for an hour of doing anything, I am very glad I made the decision I did. Because I could have spent an hour with that girl at another club, thinking she was trying hard to earn my business, and then she could have claimed I owed her 500 k. What a disaster that would have been.

For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.

As for the guys who say "that's not how it works", well, that's how it works with me. Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. If she wants my money badly enough, she'll do what it takes to get me to agree to give it to her. If I want her pussy badly enough, I'll do what she requires for me to get it. But what I won't do is guilt myself into handing out free money that hasn't been earned.

Next time I am in a Colombian club or bar, I'm going to do a little experiment. I am going to ask the girl early on in the conversation whether she expects money for anything other than sex. If she says yes, I will tell her thank you and that will be the end of our conversation. On to the next one. If she says no, we proceed on. I'll then emphasize that the time she spends with me that night may not ultimately lead to sex, and she might not receive any money from spending time with me. Are you ok with that? She either accepts or the conversation ends. I'll be sure to report back on the results.For 400 k in Poblado you want a Gustos girl to seduce you all night and hop around other clubs with the off chance that you're still going to turn her down at the end of the night. And meanwhile if she is hot she is certain to make double or triple that on one night on a weekend.

The issue here is I don't think you understand the logistics of the current state of Medellin.

You're not bringing gold you're bringing a knife to a machine gun fight if you're thinking 400 k is going to get you all that in Gustos. But you were there on a slow night. And I'm with Miami boy. I was understanding that you made the agreement. She wanted 600 you got her down to 500. Then outside she desperately was willing to go down to your 400.

Times have changed. Look at the migracióand line in medellin. When I first started going literally no one was on line. Now it's a 3 hour wait all day with the line running up to walkway. It's common sense. Girls know they have options.

[Recondite]

The default expectation I've found for most girls off Facebook or social media is more that they are sticking around for 2 or 3 hours and fucking once, maybe more if they are into it. They will leave faster and only fuck you once if you are lame. But I will write off or have a clarifying conversation with any woman who quotes me per hour in Medellin. Usually when I state I don't do per hour and what my experience has been they agree / back off for the price we had been talking about. Now a casa or Mileroticos girl is different. That's going to be more strictly time based. But the expectation is you are going to go for a second or more polvo if you book an hour. I was doing an hour at Zandalys for 80 k and a couple polvos when I was in Medellin last week (with extras costing a bit more depending).


I could be very wrong. But I'm operating on the assumption most of us negotiate in terms of time. That's what the Kapn said, but I do know some negotiate per shot. Why do I negotiate on time? Well, two reasons. One: I'm old. On a good day I get two shots. So I try for a daytime shot and a nighttime option. A second shot won't happen without a couple hours in between. Getting old sucks. Haha But almost as importantly, I do not want to be rushed. In fact, there are few things that are more of a turnoff to me than a chica trying to speed things along. Especially with a condom, I'm pretty lucky if I shoot off in 30 minutes. So generally, I prefer longer dates. Somewhere between 2 and 3 hours is my sweet spot. I like to make some level of connection. I am convinced that is the most important ingredient to a less transactional interaction. I'm just not into wham bam now leave. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, if that's what you enjoy. It's just not me. So, for those reasons, I always negotiate time.

[Lucky Nuts]

I love Baroque music, but I think you'll find the women more into Reggaeton in Medellin.My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.

[Combo]

My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.I was responding to the poster that said he went to a Bach party in Medellin (if I'm not mistaken). I love the composer J.S. Bach, but I have to think this Bach is something completely different (maybe Electronica?). If there is such an event for J.S. Bach, I'd love to know when / where it is.

Yes, both Reggaeton and Electronica are what most of the chicas like.

[MiamiBoy1]

For 400 k in Poblado you want a Gustos girl to seduce you all night and hop around other clubs with the off chance that you're still going to turn her down at the end of the night. And meanwhile if she is hot she is certain to make double or triple that on one night on a weekend.

The issue here is I don't think you understand the logistics of the current state of Medellin.

You're not bringing gold you're bringing a knife to a machine gun fight if you're thinking 400 k is going to get you all that in Gustos. But you were there on a slow night. And I'm with Miami boy. I was understanding that you made the agreement. She wanted 600 you got her down to 500. Then outside she desperately was willing to go down to your 400.

Times have changed. Look at the migraciand line in medellin. When I first started going literally no one was on line. Now it's a 3 hour wait all day with the line running up to walkway. It's common sense. Girls know they have options.His experiment will fail and he will proudly be pleasuring himself in his hotel room, thinking what an alpha male he is rejecting all these women and saving the money. There is nothing wrong with being picky and negotiating rates and services, but his approach is just ridiculous and will get him nowhere. Women will think he is weird af.

[MongerHunger]

My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.I prefer Vallenato and Cumbia. True Colombian music, not imported.

[Belem148]

Thanks for the report. Did you have any issues with bringing in the girls? Planning a trip for next month and looking at either Hotel Park 10 or Intercontinental.Intercontinental charges a USD $150 joiner fee for each girl after the firstbgirl. Different vibe at this hotel as it's a business hotel.

[Belem148]

I remember over the past years thinking that there is a real shortage of nice places to stay for individuals at reasonable rates in MDE. Unless you like to stay in a cell-like apartment on the 20th floor of a non-descript tower block with no access to the outside world. I liked Dann Carlton best for short stays, but they pushed up their rates a lot over the years. I wouldn't blow so much money on a long stay there. Rooms are ok but the pool area is fantastic. There is a cheap hotel on Pqe Poblado that I like bcos its only 3 or 4 storeys and one has dozens of places to eat and drink on your doorstep. Its called Tik hotel these days. Both charge a small amount extra for booking in as 2 guests instead of one. Think of it as an extra breakfast fee if you like. But I don't stay in Poblado these days. I find it very fake and full of wannabees.

Airbnb. Is a money making racket for its shareholders. Imagine every booking in the world paying a 15% to some shareholder half way across the world for. For what? Nothing actually. It should be a crime. And they encourage landlords to subscribe in to their system of forever increasing prices when city occupancy is high. But if you want to use it to get a high rise cell box at an over inflated price, select the option for 'I want the entire unit', otherwise you will be sharing your hookers with other flatmates.Dann Carlton charges a USD $99 fee for each guest for each day. The first girl is free but you have to register her with you when you check into the hotel or you will pay the $99 for her as well for each day. They collect the fee at the time you bring the girl in and you register her at reception. You can't add it to your bill with other incidentals like food and drinks at the pool and pay when you check out. Staying there is not worth it unless you have a girlfriend situation ans she checks in with you. Like you said, they have pushed up their rates the last few years. You used to be able to get a standard room for $80-90 a night and I have seen rates jump to $$112 to as high as $170 a night depending on which nights you book.

[JustTK]

I feel like I am kind of locked in to 300 k at this point, and given her situation, I know it's going to a good cause. It's a good thing she's only a semi-pro.It just sounds like you had an epiphany with this girl, that is all. Her situation is the reality of most people in the Economic South, it's the same story that is told by millions of others. I think you simply opened your eyes once in your life and saw the reality for it is. Many guys don't even do it that often. And many more just don't care.

[JustTK]

Now that I know some on this forum could have construed her counteroffer as proposing 500 k for an hour of doing anything, I am very glad I made the decision I did. Because I could have spent an hour with that girl at another club, thinking she was trying hard to earn my business, and then she could have claimed I owed her 500 k. What a disaster that would have been.

For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.
OMG, you must have thought you were in some club in some Western City, chatting up a regular girl. But you were in Gusto's, negotating with a hooker. Ofc she wanted to go straight to your hotel and fuck. It's baffling to hear anyone would think otherwise. Why would she want to waste her own time, drinking in another place with you instead of earning money? She was working and you were her customer.

[MoonShot]

The constant beating of the same dead horse from same exact type of monger. You're ruining the price LOL.

The best quote I ever heard to debunk this dumb theory.

"What one pays for his steak will not effect the price of what one pays for his burger ".You are overpaying and ruining the city is a common refrain on discussion boards for almost all mongering countries. The market price is based on what guys are willing to pay, and if guys are willing to pay more now, then perhaps the market price has shifted. Supply and demand. Medellin has gotten more popular in the past few years and there are just more guys visiting.

I don't worry about what other guys are paying. It is their money and they can do what they want with their money.

I go to Medellin to have some fun. I have a price range in mind that I am comfortable with. I find young attractive girls who are willing to accept that price and everyone is happy. I don't really know what others are paying other than what a few guys tell me personally or these anonymous posts on this thread which may or may not be true. On every trip so far, finding these girls has not been a problem.

So this is my take.

Go to Medellin. Spend what you can afford. Have fun. Don't worry about what other guys are doing.

[Knowledge]

You captured the airbnb game in Poblado / Provenza / Laureles well. There is quite a bit more price and quality variety in the rest of the city. The problem is the time it takes to learn to navigate the city and travel back to Parque Lleras across traffic jams. It's not a good use of time for guys coming here for a few days at a time.


I remember over the past years thinking that there is a real shortage of nice places to stay for individuals at reasonable rates in MDE. Unless you like to stay in a cell-like apartment on the 20th floor of a non-descript tower block with no access to the outside world. I liked Dann Carlton best for short stays, but they pushed up their rates a lot over the years. I wouldn't blow so much money on a long stay there. Rooms are ok but the pool area is fantastic. There is a cheap hotel on Pqe Poblado that I like bcos its only 3 or 4 storeys and one has dozens of places to eat and drink on your doorstep. Its called Tik hotel these days. Both charge a small amount extra for booking in as 2 guests instead of one. Think of it as an extra breakfast fee if you like. But I don't stay in Poblado these days. I find it very fake and full of wannabees.

Airbnb. Is a money making racket for its shareholders. Imagine every booking in the world paying a 15% to some shareholder half way across the world for. For what? Nothing actually. It should be a crime. And they encourage landlords to subscribe in to their system of forever increasing prices when city occupancy is high. But if you want to use it to get a high rise cell box at an over inflated price, select the option for 'I want the entire unit', otherwise you will be sharing your hookers with other flatmates.

[Mr Enternational]

if she doesn't hold up her end of the deal, neither am I. I'm not paying for services not rendered. Call the police. LOL I realize the bravado I'm able to employ in a hypothetical. But I'd go to the mat if she backs out of services we agree to.The police? She is going to calls those goons that people say are at her beg and call!

[KapnAmerica]

For 400 k in Poblado you want a Gustos girl to seduce you all night and hop around other clubs with the off chance that you're still going to turn her down at the end of the night. And meanwhile if she is hot she is certain to make double or triple that on one night on a weekend.

The issue here is I don't think you understand the logistics of the current state of Medellin.

You're not bringing gold you're bringing a knife to a machine gun fight if you're thinking 400 k is going to get you all that in Gustos. But you were there on a slow night. And I'm with Miami boy. I was understanding that you made the agreement. She wanted 600 you got her down to 500. Then outside she desperately was willing to go down to your 400.

Times have changed. Look at the migraciand line in medellin. When I first started going literally no one was on line. Now it's a 3 hour wait all day with the line running up to walkway. It's common sense. Girls know they have options.I understand the logistics. But it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a point-and-shoot one night stand with a chica who is churning through guys like cigarettes, then I agree it's not a good approach. But if you are looking for that diamond-in-the-rough amateur or semi-pro who might become a long term connection, I think it's a decent approach even if it will fail more times that not. The best things in life rarely come easy, and you don't attract the high quality girls by acting like every other guy they've dealt with in the past.

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.

[Mr Enternational]

I was responding to the poster that said he went to a Bach party in Medellin (if I'm not mistaken). I love the composer J.S. Bach, but I have to think this Bach is something completely different (maybe Electronica?).LOL. Bachelor!

[Mr Enternational]

OMG, you must have thought you were in some club in some Western City, chatting up a regular girl. But you were in Gusto's, negotating with a hooker.Or he could have thought he was in the old Rio at Help or the old Sosua. You did not have to discuss money and the girl would stay with you for even days until you told her it was time to go. You would go on tours and they would show you around the city. That is my definition of GFE. Pretty much the only place I know that is still like that is the discos in Pattaya.


Ofc she wanted to go straight to your hotel and fuck. It's baffling to hear anyone would think otherwise. Why would she want to waste her own time, drinking in another place with you instead of earning money? She was working and you were her customer.The crux of the matter is as Sang said, times have changed. It seems that freelance mongering these days is only good for an on the clock orgasm (which you can get at casas and fuck houses way cheaper), none of that chilling and hanging out stuff that is was before. Now it is all cum and go.

[MiamiBoy1]

I understand the logistics. But it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a point-and-shoot one night stand with a chica who is churning through guys like cigarettes, then I agree it's not a good approach. But if you are looking for that diamond-in-the-rough amateur or semi-pro who might become a long term connection, I think it's a decent approach even if it will fail more times that not. The best things in life rarely come easy, and you don't attract the high quality girls by acting like every other guy they've dealt with in the past.

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.Gustos is a point and shoot place, just like a casa or a strip club, with the exception that the girls are freelancers and you don't fuck on site. Your approach has the same rate of success as of finding a long-term girlfriend among the girls working Lleras or Botero plaza.

[JohnnieCash]

My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.Can you send some examples of the electronica songs you refer to? I prefer reggaeton too.

[TheDerilious]

I understand the logistics. But it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a point-and-shoot one night stand with a chica who is churning through guys like cigarettes, then I agree it's not a good approach. But if you are looking for that diamond-in-the-rough amateur or semi-pro who might become a long term connection, I think it's a decent approach even if it will fail more times that not. The best things in life rarely come easy, and you don't attract the high quality girls by acting like every other guy they've dealt with in the past.

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.Gusto (and many of the bars in Lleras) isn't a semi-pro bar, brother. It's a "high-end" hooker pick-up bar without private rooms that caters to foreigners and the rich. Gusto is not a bar for girls who are just playing around or just hang out, it's for ladies who are looking to do P4 P with foreigner customers who often don't even speak Spanish. You pay a premium for more attractive women who are more likely to give good PSE experiences and passable GFE experiences than Centro girls where there is no expectation of that. I've had better experiences with GFE from those girls than Centro girls and I find that the girls are more likely to not clock-watch after you agree to terms and get them back to the apartment and then show off your personality. But these girls are not going anywhere for free to start with, until you build rapport. I've found that the girls are perfectly willing to stay longer (sometimes it's hard to get them to leave), but they do know their value and aren't going to give you free days since it's their job. When the night comes around, they will usually leave to go back to the bars to make their money.

If you're really looking for a semi-pro, maybe try the streetwalkers around Lleras since they "might" not be super experienced in the game, though good luck with that. Better yet, look into some trendy bars in Provenza and Laureles where you can generally game up the chicks. The girls are not generally there to get picked up but Colombian women are not explicitly against a little P4 P and some are open for a little action if the they vibe with you and the price is right. It's the best advice I can give if you really want to do a multiple-hour vetting session before pulling the trigger on a sale.

[TheDerilious]

Or he could have thought he was in the old Rio at Help or the old Sosua. You did not have to discuss money and the girl would stay with you for even days until you told her it was time to go. You would go on tours and they would show you around the city. That is my definition of GFE. Pretty much the only place I know that is still like that is the discos in Pattaya.

The crux of the matter is as Sang said, times have changed. It seems that freelance mongering these days is only good for an on the clock orgasm (which you can get at casas and fuck houses way cheaper), none of that chilling and hanging out stuff that is was before. Now it is all cum and go.Maybe I'm biased, but I feel like a lot people remember these "good old days" and forget the fact that they were young in those days. It is much easier to pick up girls for free or for days a time when you are attractive and can generally pass off as a real boyfriend. I'm still in that zone and I've been able to swing longer term arrangements with women after getting past the first hookup. But more importantly, I wouldn't go to prostitute locations for that sort of thing. For example, you can just meet and hook up with women on Tinder in Europe if amateur or semi-pro is your game. You don't walk into the Red-light district of Amsterdam and expect to get wined and dined there. I don't think freelance mongering is that bad, nowadays, it's just more explicit. You have to pay a fee to get them into the door, where you can then wine and dine them a bit and make that connection. Some of these guys are acting like latinas are prudes when it's the exact opposite. Just go to a trendy bar and game them up if you need to scratch your "amateur" itch. If you're in Bangkok, don't go to Nana and look for freebies. Just hit up one of the smaller bars outside the main tourist area and hunt there. What's hard about that?

It's about understanding how the game is now, rather than wanting it to go back to what it was. Girls, nowadays, are less prudish so you don't need a HELP in Rio to corral foreigner-friendly girls. You just go to trendy places and do what you do.

[KapnAmerica]

you don't need a HELP in Rio to corral foreigner-friendly girls.


Or he could have thought he was in the old Rio at Help or the old Sosua. You did not have to discuss money and the girl would stay with you for even days until you told her it was time to go. You would go on tours and they would show you around the city. That is my definition of GFE. Pretty much the only place I know that is still like that is the discos in Pattaya.So there's a place called Help in Rio with GFE potential? I haven't been to Brazil yet but I'm taking notes.

I've also never been to Pattaya or Thermae for that matter, although I plan to visit both soon. I'm pretty skeptical of both places from what I've read and I have grown to dislike Thai girls in general. Not too optimistic but I have a solid backup plan if they don't work out for me.

[Nounce]

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.You did not explicitly have an agreement but you sent out signals that you agreed implicitly. First one is you followed the girl out. Second one is that you invited the girl to another club. You are lucky she gave you a way out or you are going to get a very expensive CBJ again. My response is not about right or wrong. It is about not putting oneself in a bad position like you did.

An alternative is to invite the girl to talk, don't have to buy drink yet. You can start with something like Are you good in bed? Then go from there. I personally will keep my hands out of her and completely passive physically up to this point. If your requirements are met during the conversation, you can tell her you want to spend more time in the club with her. If she agrees, you can start to make out with her or buy her drink if you want. At this point, you should be prepared to take her back later unless something goes wrong. This is how these places can work for you

[Nounce]

It seems that freelance mongering these days is only good for an on the clock orgasm (which you can get at casas and fuck houses way cheaper), none of that chilling and hanging out stuff that is was before. Now it is all cum and go.Not exactly, the girls are there to work. You take away her opportunity to make a living if you take up all her working hours and not pay her which is what the OP implied he might do.

In Brazil, I can still go to boates or termas, sit down and talk to the girls at length and don't have to pay or not buy drink. The locals do the same. But Brazil in a level higher in several aspects.

[Lucky Nuts]

Can you send some examples of the electronica songs you refer to? I prefer reggaeton too.I don't know shit about electronica. When a chica asks to change the music I pull up youtube on my laptop and tell her to select a mix of what she likes so that the music doesn't stop at the wrong moment. As you can imagine it takes these chicas all of 5 or 10 seconds to make that happen. I just verify that it's an hour or more playlist. A couple have closed youtube and pull up some other site they know with their favorite elec music. So anyhow I have no idea which songs. They all sound the same to me. Reggaeton music on the other hand has a great beat for banging to the music.

[Belem148]

So there's a place called Help in Rio with GFE potential? I haven't been to Brazil yet but I'm taking notes.

I've also never been to Pattaya or Thermae for that matter, although I plan to visit both soon. I'm pretty skeptical of both places from what I've read and I have grown to dislike Thai girls in general. Not too optimistic but I have a solid backup plan if they don't work out for me.Help in Rio has been closed since 2010 and Thernae in Bangkok has been closed for years.

[TheDerilious]

So there's a place called Help in Rio with GFE potential? I haven't been to Brazil yet but I'm taking notes.No it was a club that shut down in the 2010's as part of a World Cup cleanup effort that was in the main tourist area of Rio. It was a huge club that, similar to Gusto, was where all of the prostitutes that catered to tourists showed up. It might have been more general even further back, but it was pretty firmly a tourist place when I went. I only went twice before it closed and I was extremely green in those days (19 years old, my first time) but I didn't see any freebies being given out as Mr. E stated. You could go from girl to girl and grind on them, buy them drinks, and try to talk to them over the pounding, loud music but it wasn't like you could waste hours doing that. You negotiated an amount and then left with the girl. Girls weren't super cheap, either and the top girls seemed to charge a reasonably high amount.

[JohnnieCash]

I don't know shit about electronica. When a chica asks to change the music I pull up youtube on my laptop and tell her to select a mix of what she likes so that the music doesn't stop at the wrong moment. As you can imagine it takes these chicas all of 5 or 10 seconds to make that happen. I just verify that it's an hour or more playlist. A couple have closed youtube and pull up some other site they know with their favorite elec music. So anyhow I have no idea which songs. They all sound the same to me. Reggaeton music on the other hand has a great beat for banging to the music.Fair enough. Was just curious what different people they consider electronica here. The 'problem' for reggaeton is that not all reggaeton is made equal. There are songs straight about fucking and partying but plenty are quite 'romantic' and about love, intimacy, heartbreak etc, which for Spanish speakers might not be ideal to listen to in all circumstances since they do understand every word that's being said. When she's in cuddly mood she might not want to hear a song about hard fucking and 'you're my puta' and when she's in horny mood she might not want to hear about tears and heartbreak. Electronic music, usually no words, so no such problems. Agreed that reggaeton has better beat for banging, electronica bit is usually too fast, more for club dancing and tussi heads (plus it's somewhat boring and mechanical).

[Mr Enternational]

but it wasn't like you could waste hours doing that. You negotiated an amount and then left with the girl. Girls weren't super cheap, either and the top girls seemed to charge a reasonably high amount.You could definitely waste hours doing that as well as waste it with them at the restaurant, Terraco Atlantico, out front. And it was super cheap. I used to give those chicks 100 reais per night at an exchange rate of 3. 89. So that was $25. The most I have seen reported in that thread of someone giving them is 300 reais which was $77. When they announced World Cup and Olympics the exchange rate dropped to 1.52. So that 100 reais was then $65 and the 300 reais $197. My experience with that is what makes me say be careful of what you pay, because today's $65 may turn into tomorrow's $197 on exchange rate alone.

[Dcrist0527]

The police? She is going to calls those goons that people say are at her beg and call!Maybe. But you're missing the larger point. I firmly believe that hasn't happened to me (lower service than agreed upon) because they respect me because I treat them with respect. This comment is not directed at you, per se. But you can be firm with price and expectations while still treating someone well. Many on this board wonder why they get robotic service after negotiating a price difference of 20 k. If I get a quote that is unreasonable, I move on. There are a million other fish in the sea that is Medellin. Haggling over a few dollars feels pointless. Find someone that is in the price range you are comfortable with. I read all the time about insane prices being paid at Gustos, for example. I've never paid those prices. I've found that a drink and a respectful conversation is all it takes to lower that price before it's even said. I'm not talking about the sharks. If a monger can't spot them quickly, well. That's mongering 101.

Back to the point, I don't think it would even ever get to the point of police or thugs. There are ways to resolve or prevent things from going that route. Respect is the key.

And despite what many on this board say, respect does not mean overpaying or being a simp. Is it 100% foolproof? Of course not. But so far I'm batting 1. 000.

[Nounce]

I didn't see any freebies being given out as Mr. E stated..

I don't get the same conclusion. He said no talking about price. He did not say not paying. One possibility is that he gave an amount he decided to the girl at the end,


Gusto is not a bar for girls who are just playing around or just hang out, it's for ladies who are looking to do P4 P with foreigner customers who often don't even speak Spanish. You pay a premium for more attractive women who are more likely to give good PSE experiences and passable GFE experiences than Centro girls where there is no expectation of that. This I am pretty sure is not the norm. It is actually the opposite. Just read all the reports that almost all of them got CBJ, no kissing, the higher the price, the less service they got. These places have changed because most customers that visit them are willing to spend a lot and demand less in return. Read Gobacho's posts. He saved up a bunch of condoms because he did not have to use them in El Centro.

It's similar with pettier girls. The man already hard by looking at them so some of these girls do not need to learned how to please man. The girls that can charge a lot more money usually have less incentive to perform better as far as Medellin is concerned because they are likely to have some money saved already and these guys come and go so they don't have the incentive or urgency. The kind of spending is not sustainable and kind of not smart to do everyday for an average person.

One has to know the poster's background before coming to a conclusion, some examples about Loutron:



This is why I love Loutron, guarantied service on what is promised. If the service is bad, complain and you get another girl.


Once you pay the base fee and get in the room, the women start to upcharge. Kiss on the lips, extra. Touching her pussy, extra. She touch your dick, extra. They get creative. Extra position than mish, extra $$.

Never was like that before. They talk among themselves and you get the $$ shaft. Basic fee is only they wrap the dick and you put it in their pussy an inch, more than that they charge extra. If you move it around, that's called the "helicopter", and they charge extra.


This is generally why I never go there. CBJ is standard and up charge is not really worth it.

If you are someone like One, then follow what he is doing. If you are someone like Two or Three, then their posts are more valuable to you

In addition to Loutron, here is La Isla. It was not like this before. Spending more does not always get better service in Medellin.



La Isla is weird, been told to 'go to the corner' myself at some times too

[Invincicle]

Help in Rio has been closed since 2010 and Thernae in Bangkok has been closed for years.I was just there in October and Thermae was open.

[Fun Luvr]

I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?


For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.

[Aaragon2022]

I have personally more than 10 chicas in the past few months who began to travel with their benefactors. The chicas are in Dubai, Turkey and Italy. Couple of them started off in new life and one other centro casa but most come from dating sites and fb. I am amazed at the upward mobility of these chicas. They send me pics of cool resorts off italian coast or from malls in Dubai. I cannot but smile reminiscing the time I spent with them in their barrios in doce Oct. Or popular etc.

I used to feel good taking these chicas from those barrios to bars and restaurants in provenza and envigado. Now some one is taking them to 80 USD drink places in europe. Thats a long way to go.I know this is an older report but couldn't hold on commenting about chica's who have moved up. Used to fuck this girl in Houston for $200. Found her on seeking. Honestly the experience were just ok. She was max a 6 or 7. I hit her up after 2 years and now she wants 400. I ask her to send her insta so I can look up her recent pics to make sure she hasn't become fat. I see the pics and decide 400 was too much for me but still follow her on insta. Last month she posted pics on a private jet and yacht in Milan. This chica used to be work at one of the clubs or working girl houses in Medellin. She told me her life story once. From there to private jets and yachts was a big jump IMO. And this wasn't a one time thing. She has been posting pics of her at different vacation spots.

[Sangnyc21]

I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?I found this statement to be wild also.

[Aaragon2022]

We are 3 friends who are traveling to Medellin from different parts of the US to Medellin. None of us are into hard core escorts or SW's. We are in our late 40's and primarily see girls from seeking. I personally have mongered in Dubai, Germany, UK, Mexico etc but once I tasted the sugar daddy life, have not seen hourly escorts. One of my friends has visited Colombia a couple of times and can speak passable Spanish. We have talked to a bunch of girls from seeking and have some good candidates in the pipeline. I have read through 50 pages of reports and have a general idea.

Damn you guys argue a lot in this forum. Can't believe there are posts going back and forth because one dude did not want to pay more than 20 K to a girl he walked out of a club with.

Anyway, we are staying at a hotel in poblado and know we shouldn't do any stupid shit like typical gringos. All of us are pretty sane and can keep pur heads low. I have been concerned about the drugging though. I don't have any specific questions but would love some generic advise on what to do and what not to do.

Our plan is to speed date a bunch of candidates and then figure out who we want to spend most of our time with. Personally, sex is important but I am coming more for the party vibe and going out.

Appreciate any guidance or advice.

[Gabacho]

I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?"invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed" definitely sounds like something a woman would say. Usually it is men getting the the women into bed, not the other way around.

You may be on to something here, FunLuvr. I agree that the way the post is written it sounds like it is not written from a man's point of view.

[KapnAmerica]

I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?You're right, women in the US sure do take their sweet time before deciding if they want to pay a man for a one night stand. I'm always like, "hey, I'll be your stud tonight for a free drink and a hundred dollar bill. Let's go fuck. " But all they want to do is talk, flirt and feel up on me for hours on end. I try to be polite, but I aint got time for that shit. I'm at the bar to make some travelin' money.

These American women think they can take up all my time and not pay me a dime for it. It pisses me off too. I feel like such a hypocrite now.

[KapnAmerica]

Help in Rio has been closed since 2010 and Thernae in Bangkok has been closed for years.Well shit, so much for that. I figured this Zam guy was full of it.


ST for Thermae girls is 3 k for one hour, 5 k for 2 hours.

Most of them will complain about pain after 15 minutes after taking all the money upfront and make life hell for you in the room.

I had 3 experiences in Thermae, and each time it got worse.

Until 2022, you could pay 3 k for 2 hours and some of my friends got girls for just 4 k for the whole night.

These days, they kinda have an understanding. Even they agree to everything in the club, they won't do much apart from opening legs for penetrations in the room.

[TheDerilious]

I don't get the same conclusion. He said no talking about price. He did not say not paying. One possibility is that he gave an amount he decided to the girl at the end,Yeah that makes sense. I visited at the real tail-end of that place so it must have been much more tourist-ified by that point. All the girls had a price that was negotiated before leaving. But then again, I always ask at some point in the conversation (I would never leave it up to chance) and the girls didn't shy away from saying it.



This I am pretty sure is not the norm. It is actually the opposite. Just read all the reports that almost all of them got CBJ, no kissing, the higher the price, the less service they got. These places have changed because most customers that visit them are willing to spend a lot and demand less in return. Read Gobacho's posts. He saved up a bunch of condoms because he did not have to use them in El Centro.

It's similar with pettier girls. The man already hard by looking at them so some of these girls do not need to learned how to please man. The girls that can charge a lot more money usually have less incentive to perform better as far as Medellin is concerned because they are likely to have some money saved already and these guys come and go so they don't have the incentive or urgency. The kind of spending is not sustainable and kind of not smart to do everyday for an average person.
That's not my experience at all but I am just one person. I consider "passable" GFE to be a decent IOP (Illusion of Passion). Any girl I've taken from Gusto has given me following (just note that I usually book a TLN experience around 500 K from when I last visited 2 years ago, no clue what it costs now).

1) No rush to get started. We can sit and talk and have a glass of wine or a drink before getting down.

2) Kissing with tongue. All the girls gave it willingly, though some of the girls did seem to shy away from too much. But I've never been refused outright. And most of them did do it more passionately as the session wore on.

3) CBJ does seem to be the standard here but I don't really mind since it doesn't affect my performance yet (it probably gives me more time LOL). That could drop points for others but it's not a negative on my side.

4) Sex can be mechanical but it never turned into a deadfish situation. No major restrictions on positions and I have never gotten the dreaded 2-minute "leche papi, leche" call. The worst leche calls have come from online escorts here, followed by Strip club girls, in my experience. If I pound away for too long, the girls obviously get tired but most all girls do that outside a few of the real gems.

5) Since I book TLN, all of the girls have stuck around for more drinks, food, and hot tub (I always book a place with one since I like using them to relax). Usually one or two more shots before I call it a night. I don't like to sleep with them so I ask them to leave after a few hours and they always oblige.

Big caveat, I am conversational in Spanish, even if it is gringo spanish, so I am able to talk to them about family and interests which seems to help break the ice. I always tell the girls that I'm looking for a "romantic" experience and it has seemed to help. These are my experiences and YMMV but I find that Lleras girls do provide a decent baseline compared to the other options. I will be back in August to try again so I'll report what has changed. Will plan to try out a few from Lleras / Gusto, casas, online, and maybe Centro. Online has been the worst imo since the variance is crazy; sometimes it's amazing and often it's a bad casa experience with a Gusto's pricetag.

[Gabacho]

I was just there in October and Thermae was open.A little RTFF in the Bangkok section proves that thermaes are still open.

[AmorPorFavor]

I know this is an older report but couldn't hold on commenting about chica's who have moved up. Used to fuck this girl in Houston for $200. Found her on seeking. Honestly the experience were just ok. She was max a 6 or 7. I hit her up after 2 years and now she wants 400. I ask her to send her insta so I can look up her recent pics to make sure she hasn't become fat. I see the pics and decide 400 was too much for me but still follow her on insta. Last month she posted pics on a private jet and yacht in Milan. This chica used to be work at one of the clubs or working girl houses in Medellin. She told me her life story once. From there to private jets and yachts was a big jump IMO. And this wasn't a one time thing. She has been posting pics of her at different vacation spots.I'm seeing this too. Some putas I've been with and others I follow are getting taken on expensive trips in Europe, Carribean, Mexico, you name it. They are able to meet guys able and willing to spend a lot of money to travel with them. But these are smoking hot girls. Some take the trips with their girlfriends paying for themselves. Those are usually to Mexico and LatAm. They really live it up.

[SlowBlow]

I found my type on the pages and asked her over sight unseen. I can tell when someone is my type. I either like big paisa ass or young coastal girls with big tits. In the case of the latter, she arrived and checked out well. No kids and perfect pierced tits. She doesn't even work much because she's going back to Cartagena to study.

I know some people don't like "ordering" sight unseen but the truth is even if you see what you like in person there's no guarantee the service will be good.

Well she just wasn't that interested. It's hard for me to get hard just looking and touching a little bit, I need some initiative from the other person. After I finally got hard from a CBJ, I put her in missionary and I guess because she wasn't lubed (she wouldn't let me touch) we just couldn't get it in and she pushed against me with her legs so I couldn't even push it in. I don't know if she was super tight or just super dry or what but it wasn't working.

Anyway I'm willing to try it with her again because she's so sexy but idk. I really like some initiative which just wasn't there. It’s really hard to know what you’re going to get because I was with another girl in Bogota who charged less, and basically gave me the full GFE calling me cute, passionate kisses and hand holding during sex, everything.

[KapnAmerica]

I don't know, maybe I am just not as desperate to get laid as some and I would rather take a pass than ruin what would otherwise be a pretty enjoyable night with a sour experience. I find that girls who work hard to earn my business usually give better service than the ones who don't.

Like most guys, it's a pretty call for me to have a one night stand with a girl I find attractive for free or well below market rate. If she's a real looker with a good personality, it's probably not going to be too hard to convince me to go up to 300 k, because that's a pretty standard rate and I don't expect too many self-respecting girls in Medellin to accept less than that for quality service.

But on June 13th, I have a girl who is wanting to be the fifth girl I've banged in the past 36 hours, and she wants me to pay her 400 k? That is the equivalent of $20 USD more than all four girls I just banged in Peru the previous day COMBINED. And it's going to take a LOT of convincing for me to pay that for a girl I am on the fence about from the get-go. But I'll give her a chance if she's willing to work for it.

So that's got to be taken into account too. Some guys are more desperate than others. My level of desperation is usually pretty low, but on that night it was even lower than usual. That said, I did end up banging a chica that night for 400 k. She was a top-end stunner and put in quite a bit of effort to convince me to do it. End result: I regretted it. Not a good experience and a lesson learned. Next time I'll use better judgment and do a better job clarifying my expectations in the bedroom on the front end.

But yeah, my default setting is that a girl who does not blow me away with her looks or personality is going to have to do a lot of convincing to get me to pay her the equivalent of $100 USD for sex. Now if she wants to offer up that pussy for free or at a bargain price, that's a different story.

[Gabacho]

Read Gobacho's posts. He saved up a bunch of condoms because he did not have to use them in El Centro.You talking about these, Nounce?

[LoveItHere69]

Damn you guys argue a lot in this forum. Can't believe there are posts going back and forth because one dude did not want to pay more than 20 K to a girl he walked out of a club with.
.You and so many others can read but can not comprehend the moral of the story. The main issue was not about money. It was about safety. Colombians are hot heads that easily can "go off". Any issue with a girl in Colombia can easily and very quickly end up 2 times worse than most other places around the world for the exact same situation. Did you RTFF or even read regular news? There is a general "We hate foreigners attitude" going around. So that 2 times is now bumped up to a 3 times more serious condition.

[Nounce]

That's not my experience at all but I am just one person. Dcrist0527 also has good result so 2 of you. I think what you described is not PSE, passable GFE yes.

A so called 9 and 10 will be rare by definition so you are not going to find them easily anywhere. As long as they are from the same background as others, many will start low like most others. The reasons they started low is because what you think is low is already a lot of money to them when they are new. They don't know how it works and they don't how to find customers. I know because I met a few and I asked them. These girls will do more than you described, and pretty much everything I asked. Even that, the sex just lacks something. For me, I will choose the better looking girl the first time, but I choose better sex after that.

[DiscoverFL]

We are 3 friends who are traveling to Medellin from different parts of the US to Medellin. None of us are into hard core escorts or SW's. We are in our late 40's and primarily see girls from seeking. I personally have mongered in Dubai, Germany, UK, Mexico etc but once I tasted the sugar daddy life, have not seen hourly escorts. One of my friends has visited Colombia a couple of times and can speak passable Spanish. We have talked to a bunch of girls from seeking and have some good candidates in the pipeline. I have read through 50 pages of reports and have a general idea.

Anyway, we are staying at a hotel in poblado and know we shouldn't do any stupid shit like typical gringos. All of us are pretty sane and can keep pur heads low. I have been concerned about the drugging though. I don't have any specific questions but would love some generic advise on what to do and what not to do.

Our plan is to speed date a bunch of candidates and then figure out who we want to spend most of our time with. Personally, sex is important, but I am coming more for the party vibe and going out.
You will be fine, no need to be all paranoid. First thing is to find out if your hotel will let you bring a girlfriend back in, and if so -- any fees involved with that. Prevents surprises. Second, networking for girls seems to be your challenge -- so it depends how long you are staying. The Mansion's 'cave bar' is a hangout for vetted girls, or half a dozen clubs in the Park Lleras area. Girls themselves tend to give each other the advice that they should seek a minimum of $300 k COP for being with a guy ($75 USD), but to raise it to $600 k COP minimum if being picked up in Park Lleras clubs ($150 USD) - due to extra risk involved. How they negotiate individually is up to them and your individual style, etc. Also, don't get caught by the newbie trick of being quoted a price without currency. You'll be thinking it is 'Pesos' and they will flip it on you later to have meant 'Dollares'. Personally, I don't even negotiate pricing anymore. I just tell them "don't worry I will take good care of you" and then pay them $300 - $500 COP afterwards based on how well it went, how I liked it, and if I plan to see her again.

The girls are passionate, friendly, and into a GF experience if you have at least the minimum likeable personality and give them the opportunity. Flirt, buy a drink, buy some food, treat them like a low-budget sugar daddy and they will love you for it. They are not clock watchers. But if you go in wanting to know 'how much for 1 HR' or treating them like sluts / hookers right off the bat (I've seen rough guys literally yell out in a club 'mira puta, ven aca! They will snap right up into mechanical-pro-mode and take you for a quick ride and all your cash. These girls all carry the fantasy of 'maybe this guy is the one who will take me away from all of this' so without misleading them, it is easy to be charming and let them follow the fantasy. You are fantasizing that they are your girlfriend for the night, let them make their own fantasy about you. I really can't reiterate this enough. I've had the most hardcore pro girls there become total teenage lovers and give me amazing nights just by treating her like a gentleman with some class and raising her self-esteem and showing some respect.

Final advice, look for classier girls (better clothing, better makeup, better hair) who are doing better and evade the mini-groups of 'peladas' (that's what they call broke girls), the more desperate or pushy ones would be the ones I would evade. This has nothing to do with how pretty they are, but with how they care for themselves and how their life is going. Also, they mostly know each other at any place. So it doesn't hurt to talk up one girl and have her give you her opinion on other girls. They are not the jealous type when it comes to this and many a 'wingman' girl has gotten me the best recommendations for the cost of a free drink and some chat.

If you can message here, drop me a note and I can recommend some good initial contacts.

[Mr Enternational]

I know this is an older report but couldn't hold on commenting about chica's who have moved up. Last month she posted pics on a private jet and yacht in Milan. This chica used to be work at one of the clubs or working girl houses in Medellin. She told me her life story once. From there to private jets and yachts was a big jump IMO. And this wasn't a one time thing. She has been posting pics of her at different vacation spots.How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.

[Knowledge]

These are facts.


How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.

[Aaragon2022]

You will be fine, no need to be all paranoid. First thing is to find out if your hotel will let you bring a girlfriend back in, and if so -- any fees involved with that. Prevents surprises. Second, networking for girls seems to be your challenge

If you can message here, drop me a note and I can recommend some good initial contacts.Thank you! Advice is much appreciated. [Deleted by Admin] Will try to get it back again using bit coin.

As I mentioned, for the last 12 years or so, I have been primarily using the sugar daddy card to play and have been with a variety of hotties here in the US from $150 to $350 per date. I am quite the charmer when it comes to dating.

[MiamiBoy1]

How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.

[Mr Enternational]

You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.Did he say he was fucking models? Did he say the chicks he is seeing on Instagram that are traveling are models? How did you bring models into the conversation? Most models are not going around fucking foreigners for money.

[Turgid]

You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.From previous posts I am convinced that for some posters women commonly regarded as ugly crackheads are their models.

[MiamiBoy1]

From previous posts I am convinced that for some posters women commonly regarded as ugly crackheads are their models.And that's fine if they think that way. But don't tell me you eat a steak for the price of a whopper.

[Elvis 2008]

How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.LOL. According to Victoria's Secret Chief Marketing Officer Edward Razik, fewer than 100 women in the world have the potential to be a Victoria's Secret model.

VS angel height requirements usually vary anywhere between 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet tall. But, along with height, body measurements are also required. This is because they prefer an hourglass figure in order to model their clothing, such as lingerie. Therefor, a 34-inch bust, a 24-inch waist and 34-inch hips are desired. However, minor variations are acceptable if the model has more desirable attributes, such as a beautiful face.

Minimum requirements include smooth skin, silky hair, and a toned body. But, all in all, the most crucial part of a VS angel is the models face. The model must have a small nose, high cheek bones, full lips, and very chiseled features. They do not get the advantages of photoshop like Instagram or magazine models do.

So, believe it or not, no matter how beautiful the model, if they are reluctant and are not able to work well with others they will not be accepted.

Younger models are much more preferred unless an older model has a very strong foot in the modeling industry. So, anywhere from 1822 years of age.

End of link.


Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.Do you have to go to Harvard or Oxford to be considered educated?

And if a woman is five eight to six foot at eighteen with those body dimensions and personality, why would she be working El Centro versus working as a model given how rare women like this are?

So the normal path for Colombian Victoria Secret model types is el centro then Gusto's then seeking and then modeling? Do you have the name of one high end Colombian model who has taken that path or are you just doing this mental masturbation where this is what you want to believe?

[MoonShot]

You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.I don't agree with MiamiBoy1 on much but on this, I would agree. If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil, you are going to be disappointed unless your standards are low. Girls are smart enough to figure out their worth to men. Their friends will tell them that they can make much more from gringos in Poblado because they are pretty and that is where she will go.

[MiamiBoy1]

I don't agree with MiamiBoy1 on much but on this, I would agree. If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil, you are going to be disappointed unless your standards are low. Girls are smart enough to figure out their worth to men. Their friends will tell them that they can make much more from gringos in Poblado because they are pretty and that is where she will go.What amazes me is that some dummies think any hot girl absolutely has to start her "career" with selling pussy for 40 k and then slowly make her way up to much higher rates, trips overseas, etc. No, dummies, she doesn't have to. If she is really hot and doesn't live in isolation, she can go online and find a rich sugar daddy, or a few of them. Or she can start working at Gusto or a similar place. She doesn't need years of experience to do that. I don't know a single chick that used to take 40 k for sex. Not now, not years ago. Yeah, hoeflation exists everywhere in the world, but like I said, a steak never costs the same as a whopper and never will.

[Mr Enternational]

And that's fine if they think that way. But don't tell me you eat a steak for the price of a whopper.You can not deny there are many here eating whoppers for the price of a steak! But if they are that delusional, it could just as well be steak to them.


So the normal path for Colombian Victoria Secret model types is el centro then Gusto's then seeking and then modeling? Do you have the name of one high end Colombian model who has taken that path or are you just doing this mental masturbation where this is what you want to believe?Maybe you read my post wrong. The OP said he is seeing chicks that he used to fuck for a small amount on yachts and private jets now. I said these chicks are the same chicks that started out selling pussy for cheap where they are from (as he is a witness to because he fucked them before they were on the jets and yachts and European getaways). None of them were highly educated chicks or models. They are just regular chicks from the block. And he is witnessing this with his own experience now. I never said anyone was a model. I said they are not models.

You guys act like these chicks went outside when they turned 18 and people instantly started giving them 5 million pesos to fuck and flying them all over the world. They did not go from zero to private jets or zero to Luna Lunera for that matter.

[Knowledge]

It's a bit more complicated than that. All the girls in Centro are not bottom of the barrel and all the girls in Poblado are not models or even pretty. As I've written in the past, it's not generally worth the time for guys here on short visits to look for quality in Centro. It is very time consuming to find the buried treasure. A more efficient use of time, for not much more money, is to use the casas. I'm not a Poblado expert but I've spent more than enough time in Parque Lleras and Provenza to know who is available for what they charge. There are girls who work both arena but they are beside the point. I wouldn't personally mind using Poblado if I did not have to stay up past midnight to do it and if I did not have to later explain why I am in a youtube video presented as heaven knows what.


I don't agree with MiamiBoy1 on much but on this, I would agree. If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil, you are going to be disappointed unless your standards are low. Girls are smart enough to figure out their worth to men. Their friends will tell them that they can make much more from gringos in Poblado because they are pretty and that is where she will go.

[Nounce]

LOL. I think you take it too literally. What will be your choice among the following 3. You can session with 1 each day, and you can repeat the same choice. What will be your choice?.

1. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 6, study engineering in college, new. 1 million.
2. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, has worked for 6 years. 1 million.
3. 7.5 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, new. 200 mil.

[SlowBlow]

I'the far rather have a 6 that's a 10 in bed than a 10 that's a 6 in bed The two are not correlated at all.

Of course ideally both would be nice, however I'the much rather take my chances on the 6 than wasting a bunch of money on 10's.

[Nounce]

If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil.What price do you think they should start with? Where can you find 9 and 10 every time?

[MaddTraveler]

I'the far rather have a 6 that's a 10 in bed than a 10 that's a 6 in bed The two are not correlated at all.

Of course ideally both would be nice, however I'the much rather take my chances on the 6 than wasting a bunch of money on 10's.I think low key most people do that even if they don't admit it. Plus when a session goes bad and you just wasted 400 k or more, you feel it like a kick in the balls.

This is very simple:

If you're on a 5-10 days' vacation and was sexless back home for several months then yes you should go after the best for the experience. It doesn't matter if you spend 1 m pesos daily cause you worked and saved 2-4 k usd for your trip. But if you live here or staying a month or longer then you want to budget that shit and mostly go for the local rates 50 k+ and once a week or so you can waste some money on a 300 k+ girl.

Why visit here for 5 days and only fuck street wg for 50 k? You want the experience.

[MiamiBoy1]

I think you take it too literally. What will be your choice among the following 3. You can session with 1 each day, and you can repeat the same choice. What will be your choice?.

1. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 6, study engineering in college, new. 1 million.
2. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, has worked for 6 years. 1 million.
3. 7.5 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, new. 200 mil.This is easy choice. Option 1. I have never paid 1 million cop in Colombia, but heck, if we are talking about a true stunner 10/10 with college education that comes from a decent family, 250 usd sounds like a good deal.

I doubt though that you can get 7. 5 for 200 mil nowadays. More likely, 400-450.

[MaddTraveler]

How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.Mr E schooling once again.

Only thing I'd add is for dudes to stop assuming shit. What Mr E wrote applies to the majority, bc this is a poor fucking country and they dictated their cheap local rates. It doesn't mean they all started at centro, but also in the local clubs and casas. There are also casas in their barrios that no gringos know about. Obviously some get lucky and know their worth, either through friend influence or their education and go straight to Seeking or Gusto and never had to start low. But this is Col, and still a 3rd world country according to their GDP so yeah for us 50 k per fuck is nothing but remember daily salary in this country / min wage is 40 k per day. So making 50 k for few min isn't a bad income. Plus those venues are about volume and the pretty girls go home with 300 k or more.

If you have been coming to Col for many years, you've experienced this. I've personally met many from centro, centro clubs where they started at the 50-120 k and then moved to Gusto and Lleras and then never step foot in centro again. Some still go and rotate, the average ones. But I know quite many from Gusto and the park asking 600 k min that started from the street. It's not even something that need discussion LOL, the guys disagreeing either haven't been here long enough or still don't know shit about Colombia.

[KapnAmerica]

This is easy choice. Option 1. I have never paid 1 million cop in Colombia, but heck, if we are talking about a true stunner 10/10 with college education that comes from a decent family, 250 usd sounds like a good deal.

I doubt though that you can get 7. 5 for 200 mil nowadays. More likely, 400-450.Very enlightening response.

[Mr Enternational]

What will be your choice among the following 3. You can session with 1 each day, and you can repeat the same choice. What will be your choice?.

1. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 6, study engineering in college, new. 1 million.
2. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, has worked for 6 years. 1 million.
3. 7.5 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, new. 200 mil.This is an easy choice. I am doing one session and I am not fucking her education nor where she is from. I am fucking her pussy. To me one of the 10's would not be worth 5 times the cost of the 7. 5. I am in the same boat as Kapn. I just don't put a big value on pussy like some guys do. Not like pussy is scarce and I can not get it unless I pay for it. I monger for the fun of it, not because I need to. Just like an airbnb or rental car; I do not see a need in dropping a lot of money for a rental chick.

[Nounce]

This is easy choice. Option 1. I have never paid 1 million cop in Colombia, but heck, if we are talking about a true stunner 10/10 with college education that comes from a decent family, 250 usd sounds like a good deal.

I doubt though that you can get 7. 5 for 200 mil nowadays. More likely, 400-450.Like I said to EV to not take it too literally. You can assign any number if you want. Your answer verify a point that I want to know.

Based on your post, you think the market is very efficient. My experience tells me it is not. I can't find the attractive ones on my own but I have generous friends who shared. I am pretty sure we are not off much in our view. A common thought is the girls are considered hot but not the type we prefer. We know someone will take them off the market when discovered despite they are not our type. A girl who is above 5'7, slender, fit with long legs is what I am talking about. The only thing I can't describe and maybe questionable is the face.

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?

[MiamiBoy1]

Like I said to EV to not take it too literally. You can assign any number if you want. Your answer verify a point that I want to know.

Based on your post, you think the market is very efficient. My experience tells me it is not. I can't find the attractive ones on my own but I have generous friends who shared. I am pretty sure we are not off much in our view. A common thought is the girls are considered hot but not the type we prefer. We know someone will take them off the market when discovered despite they are not our type. A girl who is above 5'7, slender, fit with long legs is what I am talking about. The only thing I can't describe and maybe questionable is the face.

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?Well, as I said before, I don't know a single girl that used to charge 40 k pesos and now charges 400 k or 1 million or whatever, because they never worked casas or El Centro streets and were smart enough not to sell themselves short. These girls have never been desperate enough to charge 40 k. I have met girls who used to charge, let's say, 300-350 around the pandemic or shortly after, and now charge double or even triple, but the reason for that is the booming of passport bros movement and tourism in general. Everything is up, rents, food, etc. No wonder they start charging more. Also, the 8's to 10's market is extremely small and inefficient, the rates are all over the place (but generally high) and the girls are asking whatever they think they can get. There is very little supply of 8's and above, but high demand for them, therefore the rates are high, and have always been high relative to the rest of the market.

[MoonShot]

Like I said to EV to not take it too literally. You can assign any number if you want. Your answer verify a point that I want to know.

Based on your post, you think the market is very efficient. My experience tells me it is not. I can't find the attractive ones on my own but I have generous friends who shared. I am pretty sure we are not off much in our view. A common thought is the girls are considered hot but not the type we prefer. We know someone will take them off the market when discovered despite they are not our type. A girl who is above 5'7, slender, fit with long legs is what I am talking about. The only thing I can't describe and maybe questionable is the face.

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?Posts by anonymous strangers about what nameless girls allegedly told them aren't proof of anything. Anyone can post anything but that doesn't mean that it is true. Someone just posted that Bangkok freelancer bar Thermae Cafe has been closed for years but that is easily proven to be false. Guys say that some nameless girl told them that she used to work at El Centro and now she works in Parque Llerras. He posted it so it must be true, right? It may be the case that he was told that by the girl (which may or may not have happened) but you don't know whether the girl is telling him the truth because there are no names. Maybe she did tell him that but that doesn't mean it is true.

I always take what guys post here with a grain of salt because I don't know what is true and not true. I definitely would not take it as evidence that something must be true.

[Medclubber]

This is why I love Loutron, guarantied service on what is promised. If the service is bad, complain and you get another girl.Well I just had a less satisfying experience at Loutron. I was there at peak hour (Friday around 18:00) so a lot of girls were occupied. None of the available ones got my attention so I decided to wait 30 minutes to see if a better one became available. To kill the time I was watching my phone. Then the waitress steps towards me "sir you can't use your phone when the girls are walking by", I said ok, she left and immediately returned "did you take photos"? I said, no, of course not, just killing time. She said "can I see your phone please", which got me flabbergausted. I said, hesitantly, ok. She took my phone, walked around the corner, where a girl was waiting who obviously complained. Together they went through my photos, of course nothing there, then I heard the girl saying "check his whatsapp too", so they went through my messages. After about a minute she came back with my phone and didn't even apologize!! I told her, so you take my phone, you confirmed I did nothing of which I was accused and you didn't even say sorry"? She then said "ok, sorry" but it didn't feel like she meant it at all. I then walked to the hostess, who knows me well, I'm a regular there, I told her what just had happened and she just said "Of course you weren't taking any photo's".

This was really a bummer. I mean, sure, if a girl really thinks a customer is taking photo's I can understand they need to check. But I never pointed my phone towards any girl. And then when they take that decision to revise a phone and make a customer feel uncomfortable with that situation, you'd expect that the LEAST they'd do is offer you free drinks for the situation. No such thing. So think again about Loutron and "guaranteed service". This honestly has never ever happened to me before and god knows I have some mongering history.

[Medclubber]

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?Well that's easy. There are enough not so hot ones that start of at a cheap place like some bar in el Centro and then move up to other places, why wouldn't that happen? But a really hot one knows her worth, she's not going to sell her pussy for 40 k at some dirty bar in El Centro. She's used to have guys hit her up all her life, she knows she's hot (oftentimes they even think they're hotter than they are), she's heard stories about friends in Dubai making $1000 usd a night, why the hell would she start for 40 k in some cheap bar? This just makes no sense and obviously never happens.

Truth be told, I've never mongered at el centro, I frikking hate that place, heard enough Colombian stories about robberies, stabbing etc. Been there for some other businesses and I always hate that place. I've seen video's on youtube though, there are tons of those vids, and yet have to find a hot girl in them. Best I've seen is maybe a 6.5-7 and those are really scarce. Tons of fat ones and crack heads though.

[Nounce]

Well, as I said before, I removed the last part, assume the "same place" is estrato 1 just to be specific. What do you disagree about the following quote? I know one can nitpick so be generous please.



Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood. THIS SETENCE IS REMOVEDSo you also think it is inefficient. My observation is not all of them can get the price they want. Some need time to figure it out, and a 8 or 9 would behave the same way as a 5 to ask for date before then. Some may have a job, and the money they get from sex is a lot relative to their pay from regular job. They don't even know they are underpaid.


. the 8's to 10's market is extremely small and inefficient, the rates are all over the place (but generally high) and the girls are asking whatever they think they can get.

[Mr Enternational]

But a really hot one knows her worth, she's not going to sell her pussy for 40 k at some dirty bar in El Centro. She's used to have guys hit her up all her life, she knows she's hotDude, all women have been hit on by guys all their lives! Not just the ones you think are pretty and "know their worth. ".

[Mojo Bandit]

The Medellin style of robbery has invaded New York City. Except that instead of taking iPhones and gold chains from tourists, these guys are taking Rolexes and expensive jewelry from the patrons at expensive restaurants in Manhattan and the hip parts of Brooklyn.

Armed bandits, two up mounted on mopeds are terrorizing upscale New Yorkers

It definitely serves to the argument that it can happen anywhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/05/nyregion/nyc-restaurant-robberies.html?smid=url-share

[JustTK]

But if your definition of a "steak" is a pretty girl with a princess complex and no bedroom skills, or one who will not admit that she learned the ropes from guys like Pablo or Mr. E, then bon Appetit.Hehe, right. It's not like some girl that MB thinks is hot bcos she is going to charge him 500 mil for a game of chess, is going to own up to the fact that she used to work in Botero. As you say, it's not like these girls go to a Sex Ed School to learn the ropes. The good ones do the hard yards to gain the experience. MB just prefers to live in his fantasy world in which a stork drops them from the sky with no previous history.

[Medclubber]

Dude, all women have been hit on by guys all their lives! Not just the ones you think are pretty and "know their worth. ".Sure an ugly centro chica might get hit up occasionally by an old timer like yourself but I highly doubt that will make her think she's the hottest girl in town. The hot ones are used to men turning their heads all the time.

Anyway I'll let you live in your fantasy world where young hot women start their career at those cheap ass dirty bars that you go to and can be had for 40 k.

[MoonShot]

Hehe, right. It's not like some girl that MB thinks is hot bcos she is going to charge him 500 mil for a game of chess, is going to own up to the fact that she used to work in Botero. As you say, it's not like these girls go to a Sex Ed School to learn the ropes. The good ones do the hard yards to gain the experience. MB just prefers to live in his fantasy world in which a stork drops them from the sky with no previous history.You don't need to work in El Centro to "learn the ropes". These girls have experience with their boyfriends and it is just a matter of making the jump from having sex with guys you like to having sex with guys you don't really like. You don't need experience to work in this line of business. In fact, I would say that some guys would prefer girls who don't have that much experience and are new to the game.

[Nounce]

Posts by anonymous strangers about what nameless girls allegedly told them aren't proof of anything. .Use common sense please. If you know any locals, ask them if they know places like La Isla, or Gusto. That may help you understand and make your own judgement so you don't limit yourself by what you know.

Also, SA used to be good but it is not now. Can you figure out why?

And this.


market is extremely small and inefficient, the rates are all over the place (but generally high)

[MiamiBoy1]

I removed the last part, assume the "same place" is estrato 1 just to be specific. What do you disagree about the following quote? I know one can nitpick so be generous please.
I have already answered this in my prior posts. Thank god, Mr E and I fuck different girls, even if these girls come from the same neighborhood. Beauty is not neighborhood dependent. However, most other things, like level of education, median income (and hence, level of desperation when it comes to selling pussy), etc do depend on where a girl lives. The lower her estrato is, the more ghetto she is. What I mean by ghetto, is the way she talks, dresses, carries herself, etc. I try to avoid estrato 1 and 2 chicks and focus on estrato 3 to 5 because in general they are just a better company and provide much better service. But if you think pussy is pussy, and you fuck whatever moves, estrato wouldn't matter much. However, even in the lowest estrato, 40 k pesos will only get you an ugly hood rat.

[Incrociatore]

I have already answered this in my prior posts. Thank god, Mr E and I fuck different girls, even if these girls come from the same neighborhood. Beauty is not neighborhood dependent. However, most other things, like level of education, median income (and hence, level of desperation when it comes to selling pussy), etc do depend on where a girl lives. The lower her estrato is, the more ghetto she is. What I mean by ghetto, is the way she talks, dresses, carries herself, etc. I try to avoid estrato 1 and 2 chicks and focus on estrato 3 to 5 because in general they are just a better company and provide much better service. But if you think pussy is pussy, and you fuck whatever moves, estrato wouldn't matter much. However, even in the lowest estrato, 40 k pesos will only get you an ugly hood rat.I disagree, sometimes you find pearls en El Centro for less than 40 k. An expert monger should know that paying more does not always get you a better treatment. There are girls asking a lot of money with a terrible attitude.

[Mr Enternational]

In fact, I would say that some guys would prefer girls who don't have that much experience and are new to the game.I do not have an Instagram, neither have I seen the pictures the original poster talked about of chicks on yachts and private planes. But I am willing to bet dollars to donuts they are not 18,19, 20,21, 22,23 ,24,25. I would also agree that some guys prefer girls that do not have that much experience, some guys prefer downtown, some guys prefer other guys, some guys can prefer an infinite amount of some things.

[Mr Enternational]

You think a girl should bend over backwards for you for 400 k pesos.

Bitter guys who truly don't know the value of money. You expect a beautiful woman to try to seduce you and make you want her when at the end of the day you're paying for her body based on her appearance?? The only girls that work like this are the mediocre or below average girls because they know they can't compete based on beauty.Well considering that beautiful women are selling ass, beautiful women are going to UAE to suck the dicks of camels and to get shitted on, I think the verdict is already out on the things that beautiful women will do. (Unless you assert that all the women doing these things are ugly as you are known to do when you disagree with someone else's experience.).

So is the line being drawn that a beautiful woman should not bend over backwards for him per se, or is it just that 400 K is not enough for her to fulfill what he wanted? If not, then how much would have been enough?

Everybody is talking about the GFE and PSE they get for 300 K, but how dare someone mention the BOBE (Bend Over Backwards Experience) they want. A beautiful woman would just assume literally get shitted on than to bend over backwards for 400 K is what you are saying?

[Sangnyc21]

Well considering that beautiful women are selling ass, beautiful women are going to UAE to suck the dicks of camels and to get shitted on, I think the verdict is already out on the things that beautiful women will do. (Unless you assert that all the women doing these things are ugly as you are known to do when you disagree with someone else's experience.).

So is the line being drawn that a beautiful woman should not bend over backwards for him per se, or is it just that 400 K is not enough for her to fulfill what he wanted? If not, then how much would have been enough?

Everybody is talking about the GFE and PSE they get for 300 K, but how dare someone mention the BOBE (Bend Over Backwards Experience) they want. A beautiful woman would just assume literally get shitted on than to bend over backwards for 400 K is what you are saying?Don't talk about things you don't know anything about. For those beautiful girls to get shitted on has a 30 k usd price tag. So why are you always jumping out your lane? Who said they getting shitted on for 400 k pesos.

[Nounce]

Everybody is talking about the GFE and PSE they get for 300 K, but how dare someone mention the BOBE (Bend Over Backwards Experience) they want. A beautiful
woman would just assume literally get shitted on than to bend over backwards for 400 K is what you are saying?I think that is not what they are against. One is the girl is paid very well to perform a task. The other is the girl not being paid.

[Nounce]

Thank god, Mr E and I fuck different girlsThat is why I don't understand why you even respond like he is talking about you.

[MaddTraveler]

I disagree, sometimes you find pearls en El Centro for less than 40 k. An expert monger should know that paying more does not always get you a better treatment. There are girls asking a lot of money with a terrible attitude.Agreed. Also some slowtards are forgetting something very important. Or didn't forget and just clueless:

We left or have travelled outside of the US for women due to many of the same things they're looking for from so-called higher-class women here in Col. The higher the class she's in, the worse her attitude will be along with arrogance and entitlements you'll deal with; just like in the US. I can't stand a bougee fake body and fake ass sophisticated high mileage money hungry wg with bunch of cheap boat photos LOL.

The fellas who hate centro girls or estrato 1-2 girls (as if they'd know) might as well stay back home to deal with arrogant women with good jobs, better clothing and makeups. Not that those things arent important, but the women that come from humble beginnings are 10 x better usually.

For men, status and class matters more, always been. For women, we mostly seek someone we can deal with. Almost like their edu and job has only 10% value, we appreciate it but not mandatory. Whereas for us it's mandatory, like 80-90%. 99 out of 100 decent women won't date a man with no money or job. So it hurts my brain when I see a man desperately speak about a woman that has this and that. That shit don't matter to real men unless you are a user and loser, sort of like the jobless type that want a sugar mom. It's our job to elevate them. It's why for each 1000 sugar daddies, maybe you'll find 1 sugar mom, or for 1 male hooker for each 10,000 wg. Basically, dicks are free and only us men must bring something to the table, not them.

It's not only about male dominance, it's also about feeling appreciated for being a provider and protector of our household. So during these silly arguments of class, don't forget why we travel in the first place. It is to find women that are less entitled, less arrogant, and understand their role in society to allow us men to lead, provide or SHARE the responsibility without them wanting to wear the pants. As we're discussing attitudes and treatments, this indeed goes both for working girls or normal girls.

The fools arguing have zero proof where their dimes come from or their origins. The only way they'd know would be to inspect the birth certificates LOL. Any wg can move from an estrato 1 or centro and move later to El Poblado. I know many, fucked them from centro from 50 k and then moved up and never step foot DT again. Not just assuming.

In fact I came back in town this past week to meet 3 friends that came here, two firstimers, of which twice they hooked up with girls in lleras and paid 400 k that I personally banged for 50 k in centro. Obviously I whispered that intel but you can't cockblock a horny dude who didn't even negotiate LOL.

When it comes to these wgs, you have to try all types if you wish to make a comparison. Or at least just say this is what you prefer, and don't talk of something you don't know. Meaning unless you've been to centro and the poorest barrios like some of us, and have also popped bottles in Poblado, SA, FB, actually experienced everything, it's just a bunch of gibberish talk and assumptions.

Not trying to be a jerk but last thing I'll say is this: Imagine a dude born in a prison and lived there his whole life, he'd swear that his BF or husband and where he's sticking it is the best in the world. I mean, we can empathize with him, but he'd have zero right to claim that's better than our women since he never tried.

People should only speak on what they know. Stop pretending and assuming shit your clueless about.

[SlowBlow]

You think a girl should bend over backwards for you for 400 k pesos. Sit there trying to seduce you when she could make triple that in one night on a weekend if she was hot.400 k is a lot of money in Colombia. That's like 6-8 x more than an educated girl could make daily. There's not enough gringos in Colombia to pay every beautiful working girl there that amount daily, so there will be days that they don't work and see that kind of money. The market is not efficient. Girls aren't strictly valued by their looks and how good they are in bed. They charge what someone is willing to pay and I promise you there's days that they don't get any business at all no matter how beautiful and amazing they are.

It's not expecting too much to pay 200-400 k and expect good service at the least. Guess what? If the service sucks, they won't get repeat business. It's in their interest to get repeat business not only for their income but for their safety. If you treat one person great and they see you 10 times well you made more and it was less risky than providing shit service to 10 seperate people.

I could not give any less of a shit if a WG girl is educated, classy, has great conversation, etc. If she's pretty, fucks good, and is clean, that's all that matters.

[Sangnyc21]

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia. That's like 6-8 x more than an educated girl could make daily. There's not enough gringos in Colombia to pay every beautiful working girl there that amount daily, so there will be days that they don't work and see that kind of money. The market is not efficient. Girls aren't strictly valued by their looks and how good they are in bed. They charge what someone is willing to pay and I promise you there's days that they don't get any business at all no matter how beautiful and amazing they are.

It's not expecting too much to pay 200-400 k and expect good service at the least. Guess what? If the service sucks, they won't get repeat business. It's in their interest to get repeat business not only for their income but for their safety. If you treat one person great and they see you 10 times well you made more and it was less risky than providing shit service to 10 seperate people.

I could not give any less of a shit if a WG girl is educated, classy, has great conversation, etc. If she's pretty, fucks good, and is clean, that's all that matters.Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogotá? No it really isn't.

[Nounce]

tattoos on their hands, fingers, necks, etc. Long ass fake eyelashes and makeup. Wearing pajamas and slippers, wtf? Or see through skirts or tops with no bra underneath. Disgusting. But she is a great fuck. LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogot? No it really isn't.400 K is a lot of money in Colombia, but it is not a lot of money when in a room full of foreigners is what I am reading. That is like when I am talking to a chick from a third world country and she tells me the amount of something is not much. Then when I tell her to pay it, it is crickets. It is not much money when it is coming out if your pocket, but it is a lot of money when it is coming out of theirs..

I know a chick that pays the babysitter 30 K to keep a kid overnight. That babysitter would need to keep 13 kids for that kind of dosh.

[MiamiBoy1]

I have been mongering since I was 15 years old and #6 is totally correct concerning hookers. Higher prices almost never means higher quality. I absolutely have seen no correlation anywhere in the world (mongered on five continents) between the price I paid the hooker and how good the experience was. None. Zero.I have seen the exact opposite. The best experiences I have ever had were with the girls that cost more. And the best looking girls I have been with, also cost more. The only thing I agree on is that higher price does not guarantee a better service, which varies on a case by case basis.

[JohnnieCash]

Then when I tell her to pay it, it is crickets. It is not much money when it is coming out if your pocket, but it is a lot of money when it is coming out of theirs..

I know a chick that pays the babysitter 30 K to keep a kid overnight. That babysitter would need to keep 13 kids for that kind of dosh.Exactly. Not even talking about her paying it directly, gents just ask for 300 mil discount, since it's not a lot of money after all and it's not even going out their pocket anyway, and see how not a lot magically turns into the opposite.

It's not a lot of money for foreign mongers which is what counts really. Girls seem to be convinced that someone will come along eventually and pay it, since they are happy to reportedly pass on lowball offers if the night is young and just wait, and, reportedly it does appear that many mongers pay those asking prices without negotiation, so here we are. Yes, if all mongers would unionize and said 100 mil max the hos would just take it and still be happy (beats slaving in normal job 8 h-10 h for 50 mil) but that's never going to happen. More tourists equals more overspending and overbidding one another equals rising ho prices. Understandably whoring is appealing to many chicas for this reason, where else would they get a week, 2 week or even month's local salary just for one 'date' and without that much effort ("ah, but it's so hard to wait whole night wearing high hills" bithc please).

[Huacho]

I have seen the exact opposite. The best experiences I have ever had were with the girls that cost more. And the best looking girls I have been with, also cost more. The only thing I agree on is that higher price does not guarantee a better service, which varies on a case by case basis.But that's because you're heavily focused on looks and I'm not. I'm heavily focused on sex. The best looking woman I ever fucked was also some of the best sex, but that was merely a coincidence from a sample size of hundreds. She was also very inexpensive so I rest my case.

[ILoveColombia]

Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogota? No it really isn't.Price in US, 1000 Us dollars.

= https://topescortbabes.com/miami/escorts/Treasure-Pleasure_4035870.

Top escort, charging 400 USD, Miami typical price for her level, similar prices applies for Western Europe.

Mileroticos, PhotoPrepagos, Las Increibles, Pasionprepagos, top prepagos at 370 k COP down to 200, even 170.

"People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options. ".

The whole report is screaming, Raise our rates NOW! With 300%.

Never payed anything like it in Europe, Asia, nor South America.

Gringos, extranjeros are maybe 1 of 100 of the clients for prepagos in total, maybe 5% for the good looking ones and maybe 10% of the really expensive.

Medellin is not westernized, small fractions of the city are in the most expensive areas, like a few hundreds gringos in a metropol with 4 million inhabitants.

Girls in Medellin = Medellin is like a magnet. Of the 50 million people in Colombia, 15 uses Medellin as its center. In a personal-service work as Prepago it means that it gets the majority of all the good looking ones from a population at least 3 times bigger than the city itself.

I estimate that around very good looking girls 100,000 work as prepagos in Medellin during a year, the majority for 1-2-3-4 months when they save a lot of money which they then uses for university, children, family, .

There are always 10 times more girls than customers!

We talk about a large portion of the female population. The young ones 18-30, x 5 times as Medellin is a magnet. ; many girls are beautiful when young, but not many men can spend a lot of money on prepagos in Colombia, 100 k COP still gets you good sex for the locals!

I know a lot about this since I'm fluent in Spanish since many years, learning it in South America. That specific knowledge saves me 50% of my prepago expenses!

[MongerHunger]

Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogot? No it really isn't.US girls at 1000 usd per hour is not the norm at all. Plenty of top escorts much lower that that. Don't know who your source is but you probably read the National Inquiry Magazine. Also there are plenty of girls in Colombia that are 400 k and below. You are over exaggerating everything that you are talking about. The problem with the higher rates in Colombia is that a lot of guys hangout and get these girls from Gringo infested areas. Any girl in Colombia that quotes her rate in usd is a no go for me. I don't hang out in Gringo areas and clubs and quite frankly if I see a place with lots of Gringos it's not appealing. I want a more local feel in a foreign country. I don't travel to hang around foreigners so you can have that and keep that. I have gotten burned out on Cartagena, Medellin and Bogota with all the tourist traps, scams and high prices for average looking pros. My thing now is to travel to the midsized cities where sometimes there is not a gringo in sight. Not even in the clubs there are gringos, none in the bars, none in the Casas, none on the streets. That is what appeals to me and the prices reflects the local rates. Much much much lower to Colombian rates. Food in restaurants are cheaper, drinks are cheaper, accommodations are cheaper. Everything is on the average Colombian scale and the quality is good. The people in general are much nicer and respectful in the smaller cities and Colombian culture and traditions are more prevalent. The experience is more authentic. So you guys that swim in those gringo infested waters can keep it.

[Mr Enternational]

US girls at 1000 usd per hour is not the norm at all. Plenty of top escorts much lower that that. Don't know who your source is but you probably read the National Inquiry Magazine. Also there are plenty of girls in Colombia that are 400 k and below. You are over exaggerating everything that you are talking about. Not the norm at all. I am from Atlanta and there are plenty of chicks at the strip club that you can fuck for $40. Some folks act like Heidi Fleiss hookering is the norm. And those Bunny Ranch chicks do not appeal to me at all. But since they cost a lot, they must be the best lookers and the best in the sack according to some.

Just like when the foreign hookers invaded Peru and the Peruvian hookers told the news crews they were making $20 before the foreigners came in with lower pricing. Having been to that spot many times, I knew first hand that it only cost $12, not the $20 they wanted to put out to everybody to seem they were "worth more"!

[Mr Enternational]

I don't travel to hang around foreigners so you can have that and keep that. I have gotten burned out on Cartagena, Medellin and Bogota with all the tourist traps, scams and high prices for average looking pros. My thing now is to travel to the midsized cities where sometimes there is not a gringo in sight. Much much much lower to Colombian rates. Food in restaurants are cheaper, drinks are cheaper, accommodations are cheaper. Everything is on the average Colombian scale and the quality is good. The people in general are much nicer and respectful in the smaller cities and Colombian culture and traditions are more prevalent. The experience is more authentic. So you guys that swim in those gringo infested waters can keep it.Exactly. The girl I am with now Is from Cartagena and came to see me in Barranquilla. Last night I asked her this place is much better than Cartagena no? She said yes. There are too many damn tourists crowding everywhere and everything is so expensive.

Yesterday my boy sent a post that the same shit going on in Medellin is going on in Barcelona. They are supposed to outlaw short term apartment rentals in I think the next 10 years, because people from there can no longer afford to get an apartment in their own city. The people are going around squirting water on the tourists.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9Kl_DpCysk/?igsh=NzNiaWhodGtvZjVj

[MongerHunger]

Exactly. The girl I am with now Is from Cartagena and came to see me in Barranquilla. Last night I asked her this place is much better than Cartagena no? She said yes. There are too many damn tourists crowding everywhere and everything is so expensive.

Yesterday my boy sent a post that the same shit going on in Medellin is going on in Barcelona. They are supposed to outlaw short term apartment rentals in I think the next 10 years, because people from there can no longer afford to get an apartment in their own city. The people are going around squirting water on the tourists.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9Kl_DpCysk/?igsh=NzNiaWhodGtvZjVjI feel ya bro. In Cartagena when me and my girl (100% Colombiana) go to Boca Grande / Playa Hollywood to vendors and hawkers / touts are relentless on the beach. You can barely relax and have a conversation without someone coming up to you every 5 minutes. It's like they wait in line to approach you when it's their turn. LOL. Then the massage ladies. Geez! They pop up and just start rubbing your shoulders and asking if you want a massage. Even when you say no they keep at it and keep asking with that plastic container that looks like they got cooking oil in it for massage. Be careful because you can get scammed ordering food on the beach. Better verify the price and double check again. I always use Oscar and never had a problem. My girl knows him and he looks out for us with no upcharge. Also the jetski guys and boat guys scam gringos. Those guys that walk up and down the street trying to sell those tours be scamming too. My girl has the hook up on the boats to nearby Tierra Bomba Island Punta Arena. It includes round-trip and lunch with your own table, shaded and chairs. If you choose the fish they will bring it out fresh and you can pick it so they can cook it. All this for only 40 k. It use to be 35 k. I haven't seen any gringos there or on the boat. She was dying to get out of Cartagena so we went to Guatape, La Piedra and Peol. She loved it and was so glad to get away and I was too.

The guys in this board constantly brag about being in Poblado, hanging out in Provenza, Parque Lleras and Calle 10 like it's a big deal. Those places didn't impress me. I'd rather hang out in Belen, Envigado and Sabeneta if I'm in Medellin. I'd rather go to Laureles over Poblado. Then there's the guys that think their big shots because they get a hooker at La Isla and Fase Dos for 500 k when she works in El Centro during the day for 40 k. Real smart fellas.

[SlowBlow]

Exactly. The girl I am with now Is from Cartagena and came to see me in Barranquilla. Last night I asked her this place is much better than Cartagena no? She said yes. There are too many damn tourists crowding everywhere and everything is so expensive.

Yesterday my boy sent a post that the same shit going on in Medellin is going on in Barcelona. They are supposed to outlaw short term apartment rentals in I think the next 10 years, because people from there can no longer afford to get an apartment in their own city. The people are going around squirting water on the tourists.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9Kl_DpCysk/?igsh=NzNiaWhodGtvZjVjWell it's especially better for a gringo. Cartagena is damn near intolerable as a white tourist. It doesn't matter if you've lived there for years, you will always get bombarded in el centro or on the beaches. In Barranquilla they do not give a shit where you're from until you start talking, much like most of Colombia. I don't look super gringo until I start talking so I can sort of blend in most places, but Cartagena they know from a mile away you aren't Cartagenero. But I've also heard from locals in Medellin and Bogota that they treat them the same way and try to rip them off too.

Barranquilla has some nice apartments for cheap, good malls, cheap food, tourist destinations nearby or you can take a short bus or taxi ride to Santa Marta. It really isn't a bad place to be at all.

Cartagena will always have a special place for me though because I spent so much time there initially and I like the chaos of it a little. And of course there's really no other area like el centro in Colombia. But the cost of housing there has exploded in comparison to the rest of Colombia that it just doesn't make much sense anymore unless you're willing to stay more inland.

Both Bogota and Medellin are huge cities so it's pretty easy to avoid the tourist areas if you want. It's a little harder in Cartagena since it's so small but still doable if you live near the Castellana area but personally I don't like it too much.

[DonCarlos1234]

I am from Atlanta and there are plenty of chicks at the strip club that you can fuck for $40.If only it were true, we would all move to Atlanta. Or was that in 1970? Hippies give it up for free.

[MoonShot]

I am in Medellin now and so far for the first two days it has been a good trip. I know there's been a lot of discussion about girls in Medellin and overpaying and how how Medellin has gone downhill. I can only talk about my personal experiences here and how it has compared to past trips.

For the first 2 days, I have enjoyed girl friend experiences with young attractive girls for a reasonable price and everything else is irrelevant. Price seems to be a very sensitive topic here so I'm not going to mention it. The amount paid was reasonable to me and all parties were happy.

Now things could quickly go downhill in Medellin. So far it has been good. Same as my previous trips the past 2 years. My preference has been Facebook girls since the first trip and it has remained that way.

I am aware of the dangers here so I do take the precautions that others have mentioned in previous posts.

[Mr Enternational]

If only it were true, we would all move to Atlanta. Or was that in 1970? Hippies give it up for free.It is never true until someone finds out it is true. I guess you have never been to Club Blaze or Rain. You have mfs paying $200 and $300 for this tour in Cartagena when right here it says 160,000 pesos. Mfs in the Angeles thread said you have to pay the bar before you leave with the girl when I had said, no you can actually give her the money after. When I said you can fuck chicks in Thailand for 500 baht, mfs said that was not true. Not sure why folks think these things would be something to come on here and lie about. When mfs come share information people want to say it is not true when they have never even tried it.


Thai Friendly just keeps delivering good pussy right to my door. 24/07/365. Figuring this was low season I low balled her for 500 THB / ST. She took it. Like Whoa!

[DiscoverFL]

Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogot? No it really isn't.I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin. But I wanted to reply to this post. Your perceptions of top escorts in the US is incorrect. A top-rated escort (model like looks, not girl-next door) in Miami who does a great GFE and more, with top ratings everywhere, is around $500/ HR. And she doesn't really watch the clock at that rate. Other top ones can be found for $350-400/ HR. Sure; you can always find exceptions that charge more (nothing is separated faster than a fool and his money), but the US top talent average is nowhere near the 1 K you quote.

If you talk to Medellin pros (those who have been doing this actively for 3 years or more), you will learn that yes, Medellin is not what it once was. But not the way you think. They tell me that it is harder and more difficult to find good clients, the 'party-bros' are terrible clients, and the previous wave of retirees and remote workers was much better. Some are moving away to Spain and other locations because they feel Medellin is 'drying up' for good clients. Just because you find the Instagram for some lucky ones who did trips doesn't mean they are all doing trips. While inflation is making everything more expensive, these girls tell me they are having to settle for $300-ish even if that is worth less to them than it was two years ago.

But let's talk what girls charge. They don't have a 'set price'. Most girls relate the money they get to frequency of work. Lots of $300 K guys means they need to get 3-4 (or more) a week to meet their financial needs. Find two $600 k guys and you did the same for half the work. There isn't the biggest 'business sense' here, if they hit their financial budget -- they go to party or shopping, they aren't wise enough to keep working to 'get ahead'. I've explained it before, the girls work with a range, usually looking at a mental minimum. They will take all you are willing to give them, but most will settle for a minimum of $300 k. Doesn't mean they will be thrilled and will most likely want to get a 2nd client that night. If they get $400-500 k then they seem to be more happy and less concerned and will hang with you all night. At $600 k I find most are willing to spend the night unless there's a child / pet situation that needs advance arrangement.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of party-bros are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult. But it doesn't mean those girls at the park clubs are better off financially or of higher quality. It is just the reality of the place and situation.

[Sangnyc21]

I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin. But I wanted to reply to this post. Your perceptions of top escorts in the US is incorrect. A top-rated escort (model like looks, not girl-next door) in Miami who does a great GFE and more, with top ratings everywhere, is around $500/ HR. And she doesn't really watch the clock at that rate. Other top ones can be found for $350-400/ HR. Sure; you can always find exceptions that charge more (nothing is separated faster than a fool and his money), but the US top talent average is nowhere near the 1 K you quote.

If you talk to Medellin pros (those who have been doing this actively for 3 years or more), you will learn that yes, Medellin is not what it once was. But not the way you think. They tell me that it is harder and more difficult to find good clients, the 'party-bros' are terrible clients, and the previous wave of retirees and remote workers was much better. Some are moving away to Spain and other locations because they feel Medellin is 'drying up' for good clients. Just because you find the Instagram for some lucky ones who did trips doesn't mean they are all doing trips. While inflation is making everything more expensive, these girls tell me they are having to settle for $300-ish even if that is worth less to them than it was two years ago.

But let's talk what girls charge. They don't have a 'set price'. Most girls relate the money they get to frequency of work. Lots of $300 K guys means they need to get 3-4 (or more) a week to meet their financial needs. Find two $600 k guys and you did the same for half the work. There isn't the biggest 'business sense' here, if they hit their financial budget -- they go to party or shopping, they aren't wise enough to keep working to 'get ahead'. I've explained it before, the girls work with a range, usually looking at a mental minimum. They will take all you are willing to give them, but most will settle for a minimum of $300 k. Doesn't mean they will be thrilled and will most likely want to get a 2nd client that night. If they get $400-500 k then they seem to be more happy and less concerned and will hang with you all night. At $600 k I find most are willing to spend the night unless there's a child / pet situation that needs advance arrangement.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of party-bros are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult. But it doesn't mean those girls at the park clubs are better off financially or of higher quality. It is just the reality of the place and situation.Each girl individually knows their options and their past experiences on what guys are willing to pay them.

Also the top notch mid 20's escorts in nyc and LA do charge 1000 an hour or close to it. In any country a prostitute will make more than the average working man. So using the country's minimum or average salary is the dumbest thing I hear.

You got hookers in the states driving Bentleys and Benz's that most on here can't afford. Let's just keep it real. It's still becomes much cheaper in Colombia. And there was a point when it was great. But the more a place gets westernized the higher the prices continue to go. Look at Sosua. I laugh at these girls who would have to pay me to fuck them charging 100 $ plus an hour.

[TheDerilious]

Being real, I try to do as the locals do and having read the Colombia prepago review boards, I have seen a lot of reviews that pretty much all gravitate towards the best providers being those who generally charge 150 K+ for incall and / or who often work at the better casas like Ellas. I struggled to find any girls in the 50 K range that had great reviews and most that did have reviews were bad reviews. Those guys do shit on guys for paying 600 K / hour but it didn't seem to be much in the way of a lack of service, but more a sense of overpaying. The prevailing theory on Lleras isn't that the service is bad, but that the price is just too high. 300-400 K / hour seemed to be acceptable for the highly rated girls, even for Colombian locals.

I plan to review a few of the online chicks (or those with social media) next month when I visit to see if they are worth the price they ask for and will report back with some results, but it might also be nice to have a few of our more seasoned mongers who espouse the virtues of the 50 K Centro girls point us in the direction of a few so we can validate. I'd love to have a contact towards that because even the Colombian boards are sparse with those and seem to look down on it. It might be that hunting for 50 k diamonds in Centro is a specialized task that even normie Colombians avoid.

[Sssrsl]

Hello,

will be traveling to Medellin for the first time, I have traveled other South American places but first time to Medellin. Do you have any recommendations on an escort agency or incall girls? Appreciate any other input as well. Thank you!

[Mexica96]

Being real, I try to do as the locals do and having read the Colombia prepago review boards, I have seen a lot of reviews that pretty much all gravitate towards the best providers being those who generally charge 150 K+ for incall and / or who often work at the better casas like Ellas.Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.

[JohnnieCash]

It might be that hunting for 50 k diamonds in Centro is a specialized task that even normie Colombians avoid.Online board crowd, writing extensive reviews and primarily looking for hookers online are generally a different crowd than in-person street mongers. Former read and write reviews and analyze photos in order to make a decision and pull a trigger based on that, then make appointments. Latter roll differently. So it's not a surprise there is not much about street hos (either centro or Poblado) on these forums. Probably not much about strip clubs or bar-girls in there either, yet the clubs are full of locals.

[Knowledge]

Use the search function. Both their locations have been covered extensively. You can also go to their website ellaserotic. Com.


Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.

[TheDerilious]

Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.Ellaserotic (dot) com.

It's mostly an incall agency (not sure if you can request outcall) where a decent number of the girls have good reviews. I have been to their Laureles incall before for a session and it was pretty good. I paid 120 K for an hour 2 years ago so I'm not sure about the prices.

[TheDerilious]

I believe they are the same lot who are also referred to as weekend warriors or one week millionaires, short term visitors who spend freely before heading back to reality.They are a subset of that group. More specifically, it's the guys who are also heavy partiers, drug users, and the type to lose control. Add in a supreme arrogance of owning everything because you have money, and you got yourself a party bro. If you've ever met a frat bro in college, it's the same thing.

[DiscoverFL]

Can you explain to me who the "party-bros" are? I am unfamiliar with that term.LOL. Passport-bros, bitcoin-bros, dozens of terms for these fun-loving stereoid-taking fancy-dress-shirt-wearing oversized-watch lots-of-chains drug-loving heavy-drinking OMG-did-I-get-just-get-drugged crowd. These younger guys that have made Medellin their new party spot. Just for the weekend or week, different than the remote-gig crowd of years past, or the retire-and-live-cheap crowd in pre-Covid. We've always had all types here, but the younger party crowd has really been rising last three years thanks to YouTube and related articles.

[FFlintstone69]

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[FFlintstone69]

I am in Medellin now and so far for the first two days it has been a good trip. I know there's been a lot of discussion about girls in Medellin and overpaying and how how Medellin has gone downhill. I can only talk about my personal experiences here and how it has compared to past trips.

For the first 2 days, I have enjoyed girl friend experiences with young attractive girls for a reasonable price and everything else is irrelevant. Price seems to be a very sensitive topic here so I'm not going to mention it. The amount paid was reasonable to me and all parties were happy.

Now things could quickly go downhill in Medellin. So far it has been good. Same as my previous trips the past 2 years. My preference has been Facebook girls since the first trip and it has remained that way.

I am aware of the dangers here so I do take the precautions that others have mentioned in previous posts.Did you get overcharged so much you are that ashamed you won't even say how much they "got" you for.

[Mr Enternational]

I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin.LOL. For some reason this thread has always had its problems. Before I even thought about going to Medellin the first time, this entire thread was under moderation. I kind of see why now.

[Mojo Bandit]

Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.There is a "search thread" function at the top right of every thread. Two spaces above the first post on that page of the thread. Just above where it says "This forum thread is moderated by Admin" - if you click the little down arrow next to "Search Thread" then a search box opens. For example I entered Ellas Casa and 29 hits popped up. You will get a more thorough answer this way than just asking a member a question they may not have to time to address the question adequately. I am pretty sure it works for guests but I have been a member too long to remember

[MoonShot]

Did you get overcharged so much you are that ashamed you won't even say how much they "got" you for.There is too much debate on prices so I rather not engage in that discussion. In past trip reports, I mentioned prices and it is about the same. Once again, I am not sure what you consider overcharging and it is irrelevant to me. I set the price I am willing to pay and my expectations and if the girl accepts, then we have an agreement. If not, I move on to the next girl. If that is overpaying then that's fine by me. It's my money, right?

Still here in Medellin, still having a good time. Staying safe.

[Knowledge]

You make a good point. The prices themselves are good information we can use to make plans and selections. It's off topic and inappropriate to judge other grown men about what we decide we are willing to pay.


There is too much debate on prices so I rather not engage in that discussion. In past trip reports, I mentioned prices and it is about the same. Once again, I am not sure what you consider overcharging and it is irrelevant to me. I set the price I am willing to pay and my expectations and if the girl accepts, then we have an agreement. If not, I move on to the next girl. If that is overpaying then that's fine by me. It's my money, right?

Still here in Medellin, still having a good time. Staying safe.

[Cassette]

Can any one name the street he "accidentally" goes down at 06:09? Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to go during daylight hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXpPTqer48

[MoonShot]

You make a good point. The prices themselves are good information we can use to make plans and selections. It's off topic and inappropriate to judge other grown men about what we decide we are willing to pay.I've mentioned prices in previous posts but I guess I can share the price range that I offer to girls on Facebook. I offer 200 mil plus taxi and they can choose to accept or counteroffer. I am willing to go to 250 mil if I I really like the girl and she agrees to all my terms. Transportation cost varies depending on where the girl lives generally can be anywhere from 15 mil to 30 mil. I usually pay the driver directly. I prefer girls who are 18 to 21 slim and petite but I like some curvy girls in the mix.

This is just what I do. This is what I personally am willing to pay. I am not saying this is the going rate or that most girls on Facebook will accept it.

Just sharing some information. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Nomars777]

I know this isn't the hotel thread. That thread has almost zero action, so asking here instead, so as to distract from the PPP (price paid for pussy) debate that goes nowhere and yet is ever present.

I want to stay near to El Centro because I like the cheap girls, which are more than good enough for me. They allow for a lot of variety for little money, which is awesome, plus cheap food and drinks nearby, also of good enough quality.

So, I'm seriously debating staying at Nutibara because most of the complaints are about WiFi (don't care) and breakfast (also don't care). So if that's the only downsides and I'm across the street from Plaza Botero and all the action, it seems good.

That said, I do want a nice mattress and clean room, which Nutibara *seems* to have.

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?

Thanks in advance!

Nomars777.

[AmorPorFavor]

There is too much debate on prices so I rather not engage in that discussion. In past trip reports, I mentioned prices and it is about the same. Once again, I am not sure what you consider overcharging and it is irrelevant to me. I set the price I am willing to pay and my expectations and if the girl accepts, then we have an agreement. If not, I move on to the next girl. If that is overpaying then that's fine by me. It's my money, right?

Still here in Medellin, still having a good time. Staying safe.The thing is you will never really know what the other guy is getting for his money in terms of looks and quality of service just what was paid and what he says about it.

[MongerHunger]

Can any one name the street he "accidentally" goes down at 06:09? Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to go during daylight hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXpPTqer48Most likely he went down Carrera 53 in el centro Medellin.

[MongerHunger]

I know this isn't the hotel thread. That thread has almost zero action, so asking here instead, so as to distract from the PPP (price paid for pussy) debate that goes nowhere and yet is ever present.

I want to stay near to El Centro because I like the cheap girls, which are more than good enough for me. They allow for a lot of variety for little money, which is awesome, plus cheap food and drinks nearby, also of good enough quality.

So, I'm seriously debating staying at Nutibara because most of the complaints are about WiFi (don't care) and breakfast (also don't care). So if that's the only downsides and I'm across the street from Plaza Botero and all the action, it seems good.

That said, I do want a nice mattress and clean room, which Nutibara *seems* to have.

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?

Thanks in advance!

Nomars777.I don't have recent info about the hotel but Hotel Nutibara is where I stayed during my very first trip to Medellin many years ago. I had previously been going to Cartagena so much and I wanted to change it up. Also if I'm correct, Hotel Nutibara was the very first hotel that was built in Medellin. A little history there. The rooms were nice and updated. Nice bed. Spacious floor plan. Ig I remember correctly I stayed on the 4th floor at the end of the hall facing the Metro tracks. There is a balcony at the end of hall where you can go outside and see things on the street. The breakfast is a typical light Colombian breakfast. The staff was friendly and the maid was a very sweet woman. I wasn't worried about wifi because I was hooked up with Claro. I don't remember if wifi was an issue. If you take the white bus from the airport it will drop you off right behind the hotel. You will be near Ground Zero and the are some casas within walking distance, ew Life being one of them. Just down from the hotel is Playmates, Faro, Monaco, Grill etc. That area gets very crowded during the day, especially under the Metro. You can find any and everything there. Traverse some streets and there are many options for shopping and food. I got a thing for the Papas Rellenos. Make sure you get in made fresh and not one that's been sitting under a heat lamp all day. Lots of Tinto Girls down there too. Head down near the Guadalupe church, walk down a little and hang a right at the corner.

[Nounce]

The thing is you will never really know what the other guy is getting for his money in terms of looks and quality of service just what was paid and what he says about it.He wrote a very informative post. He is happy and he is in Medellin. Why does he need to know what someone else had?

[MoonShot]

He wrote a very informative post. He is happy and he is in Medellin. Why does he need to know what someone else had?This is my seventh trip to Medellin in 2 1/2 years so I have learned over the years what I like to do and what I don't like to do. I don't like hanging out at the bars in Park Lleras but some guys loves it. I don't know what they pay and I don't care. Some guys love to pick up freelancers in Park Lleras. I don't do that and the prices paid might be interesting for informational purposes but it doesn't really affect me. I just stick what I know and like which is girls on Facebook. There are a large number of girls on Facebook and the price varies. If you contact enough girls, you will find young attractive girls in your price range. That much I know from personal experience.

Some of the stuff I read here is amusing to read when I am not in Medellin. But when I am in Medellin, I just ignore it and just do what I do and try my best to have a good trip the way I like to do things. To each his own.

There are enough stories about druggings and robberies to keep me on alert everyday and with every girl. So far I haven't had any issues but I'm not going to be complacent.

[John Gault]

I know this isn't the hotel thread. That thread has almost zero action, so asking here instead, so as to distract from the PPP (price paid for pussy) debate that goes nowhere and yet is ever present.

I want to stay near to El Centro because I like the cheap girls, which are more than good enough for me. They allow for a lot of variety for little money, which is awesome, plus cheap food and drinks nearby, also of good enough quality.

So, I'm seriously debating staying at Nutibara because most of the complaints are about WiFi (don't care) and breakfast (also don't care). So if that's the only downsides and I'm across the street from Plaza Botero and all the action, it seems good.

That said, I do want a nice mattress and clean room, which Nutibara *seems* to have.

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?

Thanks in advance!

Nomars777.I stayed there a few months ago. Ground zero for all the Centro action. Even the dumb taxi drivers know where it is. Rooms are good size and the in room safe can fit in a laptop. You can bring a girl in before 6 PM with no charge. After 6 I think it is around a 70 K fee.

[Nomars777]

This line had my cracking up: "Even the dumb taxi drivers know where it is!

I agree, taxistas can be super stupid sometimes. Not sure if it's intentional or just how they are. Then again, I've run across some really cool dudes, including the one last time who straight up told me he was a Tussi addict and drove just enough to get his money for his family and his fix. Great guy, I should've gotten his information. One of the nicest, cleanest taxis I'd been in, which for an addict was even more impressive.

Looking forward to Nutibara, booked it for night 1, then Factory Lofts for night 2, and Hotel Bolivariana for nights 3 and 4.

Should have a nice sampling then to know where to return later in the fall this year. .


I stayed there a few months ago. Ground zero for all the Centro action. Even the dumb taxi drivers know where it is. Rooms are good size and the in room safe can fit in a laptop. You can bring a girl in before 6 PM with no charge. After 6 I think it is around a 70 K fee.

[Nomars777]

No one should care how anyone else moves or enjoys Medellin. There are so many places to find girls, so many ways to move through the city, that it just shouldn't matter. Find what you enjoy, what works for you, and just do that.

Nothing else matters.

Enjoy it because life is too short not to!


This is my seventh trip to Medellin in 2 1/2 years so I have learned over the years what I like to do and what I don't like to do. I don't like hanging out at the bars in Park Lleras but some guys loves it. I don't know what they pay and I don't care. Some guys love to pick up freelancers in Park Lleras. I don't do that and the prices paid might be interesting for informational purposes but it doesn't really affect me. I just stick what I know and like which is girls on Facebook. There are a large number of girls on Facebook and the price varies. If you contact enough girls, you will find young attractive girls in your price range. That much I know from personal experience.

Some of the stuff I read here is amusing to read when I am not in Medellin. But when I am in Medellin, I just ignore it and just do what I do and try my best to have a good trip the way I like to do things. To each his own.

There are enough stories about druggings and robberies to keep me on alert everyday and with every girl. So far I haven't had any issues but I'm not going to be complacent.

[MisterJam]

I've mentioned prices in previous posts but I guess I can share the price range that I offer to girls on Facebook. I offer 200 mil plus taxi and they can choose to accept or counteroffer. I am willing to go to 250 mil if I I really like the girl and she agrees to all my terms. Transportation cost varies depending on where the girl lives generally can be anywhere from 15 mil to 30 mil. I usually pay the driver directly. I prefer girls who are 18 to 21 slim and petite but I like some curvy girls in the mix.

This is just what I do. This is what I personally am willing to pay. I am not saying this is the going rate or that most girls on Facebook will accept it.

Just sharing some information. Nothing more, nothing less.Exactly what I pay and do except I don't do curvy. Only slim and petite. I run thru all their friends and family members that look decent. Facebook is the move. I don't do street meat ever. No need because there are literally more than 100 chics in my Facebook friends list that I haven't gotten to yet.

[Aaragon2022]

No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?

3) I am going to stay in a hotel in Poblado. The plan is to get 2 girls to the room everyday. We are there for 3 days. When I booked the room, I booked it for 2 guests. Will the hotel create a stink if I am getting multiple people? The hotel is Hampton inn in Poblado.

4) At this point I have lined up a bunch of dates with girls I have met on seeking. I don't fuck SW's or escorts. Just my thing.

[Knowledge]

I'm still working on building the patience it takes to sort through facebook.


Exactly what I pay and do except I don't do curvy. Only slim and petite. I run thru all their friends and family members that look decent. Facebook is the move. I don't do street meat ever. No need because there are literally more than 100 chics in my Facebook friends list that I haven't gotten to yet.

[MoonShot]

I'm still working on building the patience it takes to sort through facebook.There is a downside to Facebook girls. First, they do not live near where most guys stay. Most girls live in Bello which is about 30 minutes away but with traffic it can take longer. So unlike casas, night club girls and streetwalkers, you need to pay for their transportation so they can get to your hotel and you have to wait for their arrival.

Another downside is that due to traffic and just the general laissez-faire attitude of Latin America, most girls are going to be late. I've had a number of girls at the appointment time tell me that that they are getting ready to call the car right now. Now for me, 7:00 pm Appointment means that you are here at 7:00 pm Not that you are getting ready to go at 7:00 pm But that's just me.

Another big downside is that you're going to get girls who don't show up. You make an appointment. You confirm the appointment and then nothing. You send messages and there was no response. On this trip, it has happened twice to me and it's irritating but I always have a backup plan for this situation.

If these things are going to drive you crazy, Facebook Is not the way to go. Personal experience has taught me that it comes with the territory if you want to play with Facebook girls.

For me, the upside is worth the downside, but I can see that others would say no way.

[Manizales911]

No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?

3) I am going to stay in a hotel in Poblado. The plan is to get 2 girls to the room everyday. We are there for 3 days. When I booked the room, I booked it for 2 guests. Will the hotel create a stink if I am getting multiple people? The hotel is Hampton inn in Poblado.

4) At this point I have lined up a bunch of dates with girls I have met on seeking. I don't fuck SW's or escorts. Just my thing.1. yes, not everyone of course.

2. I bought mine online while in the states and activated it once my boots were on the ground in Meddy, it worked fine.

3. Yes they will create more than a stink, it won't be allowed, just take them to a love motel they're cheap as hell. You should have asked about this prior to booking, duh.

[Knowledge]

My responses appear beneath your questions below.


No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?
This is not something that's ever happened to me but I am aware of the reports. Your question does not specify whether you are referring to Colombia immigration or your home country immigration. In either case, I don't believe you can rule out the possibility. My advice is to take steps so that it would not matter is your phone were inspected. I'm not involved of course but I must say your question strikes me as suspicious, so it's reasonable to assume trained investigators would pick up on the vibes.

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?
I'm not sure what the waiting period for eSIM activation may be. I recommend you sort that out after you are settled in your hotel. There is free wifi at the airport you can use for uber/didi, whatsapp, wifi calling etc. You can even start working facebook if you want to get a head start. I think you will find it more convenient to deal with a wireless store where you won't be pestered by thirsty independent driver offers (don't accept such offers).

[MoonShot]

It can be difficult because the menu is in Spanish or there is no menu and the guy is telling you menu in Spanish. Now in Poblado there are a number of places where some of the staff can speak English and there are English menus but you really let me think yourself if you just go to those places.

I would suggest learning some basics so you know the type of meat that you are eating. Words for chicken, pork, beef and fish are useful. Useful. That way you at least know what meat you are ordering. Take your time and use Google translate to be able to translate the menu and you should be fine.

Just tell the waiter that you need a little bit more time and then just point to the entree that you want.

It can be a little intimidating at first but after while you will be able to get by.

Believe it or not this was one of my worries when I first came to Medellin, would I be able to handle dining in a restaurant where no English is spoken? The answer turn out to be yes in most cases but with some difficulty. The good news is that with each subsequent trip, you start picking up more words on the menu and it just gets easier. Pollo is chicken, cerdo is pork, pescado is fish, and beef has a number of words, res, carne, bistec. Now you may not understand what dish you just ordered, but at least you know it's a chicken dish.

My default dish here is tacos. There are actually a lot of good Mexican taco places.

[MoonShot]

The lines on a Monday afternoon were much shorter, only halfway between the bathroom and the immigration officials. I thought this is great but they were only three immigration officers working and so it still took about 1 hour. Now if the lines were beyond the bathroom as in the past, It would have been 2 hours. There are posters when you get off the plane and when an immigration telling you not to go with underage girls or you could be facing 25 years in jail. Not the most pleasant "Welcome to Medellin" greeting when you first arrive.

[FFlintstone69]

No one should care how anyone else moves or enjoys Medellin. There are so many places to find girls, so many ways to move through the city, that it just shouldn't matter. Find what you enjoy, what works for you, and just do that.

Nothing else matters.

Enjoy it because life is too short not to!You come on this forum to "take" information for your benefit from this community.

But then you turn right around and say screw everyone else.

You sound like a great guy and a fine human being.

[BroncosRob]

How do you guys use Facebook? Facebook dating or something??

[DJHeywood]

No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?

3) I am going to stay in a hotel in Poblado. The plan is to get 2 girls to the room everyday. We are there for 3 days. When I booked the room, I booked it for 2 guests. Will the hotel create a stink if I am getting multiple people? The hotel is Hampton inn in Poblado.

4) At this point I have lined up a bunch of dates with girls I have met on seeking. I don't fuck SW's or escorts. Just my thing.Just my opinions.

1) Never had any immigration checks, or 2nd looks in MDE BOG or CAR. I do usually connect through BOG then MDE. The rare cases I hear were in MDE so maybe they're targeting those Florida direct incoming gringos. Funnily enough, 1 customs MDE agent was a working girl I've seen before.

2) Never changed my esim before but I see the value, but I'm too lazy to be arsed with that. I just do my darnedest to do every thing else "right".

3) Should've wrote that to the hotel beforehand, and discretely just say friends and that you're out there for a wedding or whatever. Plus there's the wildcard on who's on sight, make sure you establish a good, normal presence and rapport with security. Tipping goes a long way and make sure it's the same people.

4) Half my SWs or scorts have Seeking accounts, hybrid "semi pros". Had a couple quick sessions before they meet someone for a formal date. Just saying that the app / website doesn't guarantee their proclivities.

[Huacho]

There is a downside to colombianas en general; all women will always be ridiculously late. Another big downside is that 40% of them don't show up. It comes with the territory if you want to play with colombianasFixed that for you!

[Turgid]

The lines on a Monday afternoon were much shorter, only halfway between the bathroom and the immigration officials. I thought this is great but they were only three immigration officers working and so it still took about 1 hour. Now if the lines were beyond the bathroom as in the past, It would have been 2 hours. There are posters when you get off the plane and when an immigration telling you not to go with underage girls or you could be facing 25 years in jail. Not the most pleasant "Welcome to Medellin" greeting when you first arrive.You got to prefer Thailand to Colombia. I remember in my first visit to Thailand many years ago the immigration official saying to me "So you like Thai girls, eh?" with a huge smile on his face before stamping my passport and sending me on my way.

[Husker Dude]

It can be difficult because the menu is in Spanish or there is no menu and the guy is telling you menu in Spanish. Now in Poblado there are a number of places where some of the staff can speak English and there are English menus but you really let me think yourself if you just go to those places.

I would suggest learning some basics so you know the type of meat that you are eating. Words for chicken, pork, beef and fish are useful. Useful. That way you at least know what meat you are ordering. Take your time and use Google translate to be able to translate the menu and you should be fine.

Just tell the waiter that you need a little bit more time and then just point to the entree that you want.

It can be a little intimidating at first but after while you will be able to get by.

Believe it or not this was one of my worries when I first came to Medellin, would I be able to handle dining in a restaurant where no English is spoken? The answer turn out to be yes in most cases but with some difficulty. The good news is that with each subsequent trip, you start picking up more words on the menu and it just gets easier. Pollo is chicken, cerdo is pork, pescado is fish, and beef has a number of words, res, carne, bistec. Now you may not understand what dish you just ordered, but at least you know it's a chicken dish.

My default dish here is tacos. There are actually a lot of good Mexican taco places.Simple solution. Get the WIFI password for the restaurant, and use Google translator. Use the camera function by holding it over the menu & it translates it for you. Took me a few trips to Colombia before someone showed me this.

[Nomars777]

Check my history. I post LONG reports every time I go anywhere, providing much useful and hopefully humorous information as well to those who would like it or want it.

There are many opinions floated here, most of dubious quality.

I asked for recent experiences on staying at Hotel Nutibara, got good info and posted an opinion, like many others. I did not "take" anything. This is an exchange of information between those who participate in the same activities. Go read my previous posts on Medellin, you may find something of value, or you may not. Either way, that's on you.

After my next visit I will surely post more of my el centro experiences, as that's my preferred area to play in Medellin. As I stated in my opinion you quoted below, there is no right way or wrong way to enjoy Medellin. Go, experience, find out what you like and do that. Don't worry about what someone else does or doesn't do, where they go, what they pay, etc. None of that matters. Do what you like in the way you like it. Period end of story.

Most of all, ENJOY Medellin because life's too short not to!


You come on this forum to "take" information for your benefit from this community.

But then you turn right around and say screw everyone else.

You sound like a great guy and a fine human being.

[MoonShot]

They waved me over to the biometrics machines instead of seeing a human immigration officer. You scan your passport, look at the camera and it's done. Relatively quick. The security lines were also relatively quick. Total time for me from waiting to check in at the airline to waiting at the gate was about half an hour. Not bad at all.

So I did survive another trip without any druggings or robberies.

It was a good trip. I saw the type of girls that I wanted to see for the amount of money that I wanted to pay and I got the type of performance that I expected. All these factors are different for every guy. But if you could satisfy these three factors for yourself on a trip, whatever your criteria, it is a successful trip.

I will say an obvious point. My eighth trip was much better than my first trip. I have to laugh now at all the mistakes I made on my first trip. I think that will be the way it will be for most guys. Expect to make mistakes and learn from it.

[MoonShot]

I got caught up in the software issues affecting flights. The bad news is it wasn't my flight from Medellin to Florida but it was my flight from Florida to my home. If my flight was canceled in Medellin, that's not necessarily such a bad thing to have more time in Medellin. But now I'm stuck in Florida dealing with flight issues. If you were planning to fly to Medellin now, you may be disappointed.

[MoonShot]

Yes, I am stuck in Florida due to the Crowdstrike software issue but let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.

This is my experience from yesterday. I am a member of global entry. I stood in front of the global entry kiosk for about 2 seconds, stood in line for a few minutes and then the immigration official just waved me through.

That was my personal experience and it was pretty good as you can see.

[HumbleHal]

The security lines were also relatively quick. Total time for me from waiting to check in at the airline to waiting at the gate was about half an hour. Not bad at all.

It was a good trip. I saw the type of girls that I wanted to see for the amount of money that I wanted to pay and I got the type of performance that I expected. All these factors are different for every guy. But if you could satisfy these three factors for yourself on a trip, whatever your criteria, it is a successful trip.
Yes, how much was the cost of your airplane ticket, airport parking costs, hotel costs? When you add that together it can be better to pull girls from the internet.

Also your time is worth something too! How many hours ahead of flight do you wait at the airport each way? Travel time to and from the airport? I found it takes about a day of my time each way.

Lately I have found an abundant supply of women from Brazil that are great in bed, ranging from $50 to $300 a session. And they are very affectionate. Brazil women seem to be the latest wave coming into the US on tourist visas and they all overstay thinking they can live here forever, and they need a sugar daddy to help them.

[Contactus]

Hi everyone,

I now live in New Jersey, call it New York, where I spend most of my time. I am looking to take my first mongering trip since moving to USA but for all the options available, can't seem to decide where I should visit. I have posted the same in other forums as well and hoping someone experienced can guide me and Ofcourse, I will write a detailed report post my expiditions.

What I am looking for is a 3/4 get away. I love Latin woman and had a great time in Brazil (before I had even discovered ISG).

I love kissing and Latin woman somehow are the most sensual and great kissers.

I am looking for something safe, where I can chill and have a good time with a few different girls or may be even have someone for the entire day.

I like the it all- 20's,30's,40's,50's- don't care so much about the age, as long as they are pretty and clean. Petite / Curvy- I like them all, beautiful face, good kissers- girl friend experience, I am sucker- am easy to please!

I just need your help in deciding, what would be the best first time travel spot for me, out of the options in the title.

So far Tijauana is number one followed by San Salvado, I want to say Medellin (number really but it just feels very unsafe based on recent reports.).

How much should I budget for my first trip. Say if I want to enjoy 3/4 ladies over 3 days?

Any places to enjoy milfs?

There are a lot of reports but perhaps been a while, these are catered towards new travellers in the region, hopefully your response will help others like me and I will revert with a detailed report post my trip in September.

Thanks in anticipation of your help.

I have enjoyed the most in Dubai and Brazil- Dubai is more Russian and Middle Eastern beauties and I like the club scene. Brazil just has a special place in my heart, I lived there for 6 months and had a blast! If you need any information about those places please let me know.

[Knowledge]

I am still trying to work out whether the cellphones are being inspected in Colombia, in other countries, or both. In any case, it is between a very bad idea and downright reckless to have questionable images on your phone or accessible via your phone, or any other devices under your control.


Yes, I am stuck in Florida due to the Crowdstrike software issue but let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.

This is my experience from yesterday. I am a member of global entry. I stood in front of the global entry kiosk for about 2 seconds, stood in line for a few minutes and then the immigration official just waved me through.

That was my personal experience and it was pretty good as you can see.

[KeviKev68]

Yes, I am stuck in Florida due to the Crowdstrike software issue but let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.

This is my experience from yesterday. I am a member of global entry. I stood in front of the global entry kiosk for about 2 seconds, stood in line for a few minutes and then the immigration official just waved me through.

That was my personal experience and it was pretty good as you can see.It's getting easier each trip I make to Medellin. When I was leaving Medellin they let me go to a kiosk instead of waiting for immigration officer. Yes, Global Entry is worth the investment especially when you land in FLL airport. It only takes minutes while others have to wait in long lines.

[MoonShot]

It's getting easier each trip I make to Medellin. When I was leaving Medellin they let me go to a kiosk instead of waiting for immigration officer. Yes, Global Entry is worth the investment especially when you land in FLL airport. It only takes minutes while others have to wait in long lines.I was also directed to the biometrics kiosk when leaving Medellin. I scanned my passport, looked into the camera and then allowed to pass through without speaking to anyone. My understanding is that they are now allowing Americans to use the biometric kiosks.

[Scatter]

Yes, how much was the cost of your airplane ticket, airport parking costs, hotel costs? When you add that together it can be better to pull girls from the internet.

Also your time is worth something too! How many hours ahead of flight do you wait at the airport each way? Travel time to and from the airport? I found it takes about a day of my time each way.

Lately I have found an abundant supply of women from Brazil that are great in bed, ranging from $50 to $300 a session. And they are very affectionate. Brazil women seem to be the latest wave coming into the US on tourist visas and they all overstay thinking they can live here forever, and they need a sugar daddy to help them.Where do you live and how have you found these women?

[MaddTraveler]

Yes, how much was the cost of your airplane ticket, airport parking costs, hotel costs? When you add that together it can be better to pull girls from the internet.

Also your time is worth something too! How many hours ahead of flight do you wait at the airport each way? Travel time to and from the airport? I found it takes about a day of my time each way.

Lately I have found an abundant supply of women from Brazil that are great in bed, ranging from $50 to $300 a session. And they are very affectionate. Brazil women seem to be the latest wave coming into the US on tourist visas and they all overstay thinking they can live here forever, and they need a sugar daddy to help them.First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.

[Knowledge]

There is a sign at the head of the passport control line inviting foreigners to use the kiosks. I remember the first time I saw it I wondered why there was no English translation on it.


I was also directed to the biometrics kiosk when leaving Medellin. I scanned my passport, looked into the camera and then allowed to pass through without speaking to anyone. My understanding is that they are now allowing Americans to use the biometric kiosks.

[Mr Enternational]

First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison.LOL. I am not about to risk my life or my freedom over some pussy. MFs get so wrapped up, they think traveling is only about pussy. Then they get so complacent with where it is legal, they feel like doing it where it is illegal will save them some money. Until they get caught! That man needs a wake up call.

[Knowledge]

You bring up a very important point. The risk of a criminal record should absolutely be part of deciding whether we engage with providers in countries where it is illegal. My personal opinion is the risks far outweigh the benefit for anyone who is still in the workforce or in a marriage.


First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.

[MoonShot]

First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.The biggest issue in the USA is that, as noted, prostitution is illegal and you can be arrested and your life can be ruined. That is not an issue in Colombia if you see girls of legal age. It is also very expensive in America. The equivalent of GFE with a young attractive girl in my city is about $400 for the hour. Escorts here also require a screening or referrals and sometimes that can be difficult.

I know a lot of guys who come here for a week and have sex everyday. GFE for week in USA would be about $2800 US. You will spend a lot less in Colombia even with airfare and hotel, at least from the East Coast.

[Fun Luvr]

There is a sign at the head of the passport control line inviting foreigners to use the kiosks. I remember the first time I saw it I wondered why there was no English translation on it.I left there last Wednesday and the sign above the kiosks says they are for Colombian citizens, nothing about foreigners. They were not directing any foreigners to the kiosks. I didn't see any sign at the head of the line.

[Gabacho]

First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.I agree 100% with Madd, there is no comparison between illegally practicing the hobby in the US and being free to practice it legally in Colombia or Mexico or any other country where it is legal.

I've mongered in the US back in the days before I discovered Mexico and Colombia. I remember Redbook, Backpage, and SipSap. First of all it is alot more expensive in the US. Secondly the quality is usually shitty (except for this cute Cambodian girl named princess I found on Backpage in Seattle in summer 2011). Thirdly it's almost always covered service. But more importantly it is illegal under the archaic laws of the United States.

Much like how the Jim Crow laws of the south marginalized people of color, prostitution laws in the United States marginalize mongers. Once you are caught in some stupid sting operation, your picture will be plastered all over the local media, the government will do their best to humiliate you in front of your family and friends, and heaven forbid if you have a wife and kids, you'll probably be getting a divorce.

So no, mongering in the united states is not a good idea, and it is not in any way, shape, or form comparable to what it is like in a place like Medellin.

-Gabacho Out.

[YounGun3393]

Based on your posting history you are always asking for help but have never contributed a trip report, so why should others continue to provide you with information?With every trip I've went on I def made a report. I'm just not lucky enough like yall to be out and about so often.

Sooo what are the going rates for parque lleras girls? What would it be for one pop session or TLN. Anything helps TIA.

[JustTK]

Can any one name the street he "accidentally" goes down at 06:09? Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to go during daylight hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXpPTqer48Its just on the extension of Carabobo. The main walkway between Berrio and Pqe de Luces. Its part of the main sex area, but also the main tourist area, so I dunno why he said he made a wrong turn.

[JustTK]

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?
Very nice staff, perfect location by MDE standards, great value (even though they have started pricejacking). Great place for long term. Only issue is with bringing girls back. They say they will charge (after 6 pm I think), but they never charged me but they did charge others. I guess because I was long term. But anyway, I think its 50 mil extra or smthg (incl free breakfast).

Floor 7 has best wifi. Florr 10 has best rooms (with terraces overlooking Plaza Berrio).

[Gabacho]

I left there last Wednesday and the sign above the kiosks says they are for Colombian citizens, nothing about foreigners. They were not directing any foreigners to the kiosks. I didn't see any sign at the head of the line.Maybe they are confusing MDE with BOG. Last time I left thru Bogota they had me use the machine to scan my passport and I didn't have to speak to any immigration officer nor did I get an exit stamp in my passport. By contrast, the last time I left thru Medellin they still did it the old fashioned way where you have to go thru the long line to get to an immigration officer who then has to physically stamp your passport with an exit stamp.

[Aaragon2022]

We were there from 18th through 21. Luckily one of us landed 30 minutes before the other 2, so one of us held the spot for us in the line. Immigration was easy, no questions were asked other than what you are here for. As soon as we got out of the airport we caught one of the white cabs who did not take us to through the tunnel but still made it to Medellin in a decent time. I think the driver was trying to save money on the tolls you have to pay for the tunnel.

All 3 of us started talking to Chica's a couple of weeks prior to landing in Medellin. Our primary hunting ground was seeking. We did not go to any clubs, or try to pick up chica's from Parque Lleras.

We each setup multiple dates during the day and met with like 3 to 4 girls. One for lunch and fun and then one for dinner club and overnight. For lunch and fun we paid an average of 400 to 500 Mil. For overnight our average was 800 Mil. Some key observations.

1) Of the 30 or so girls we met through seeking, only 2 of them seem like regular girls, most were UTR pro's who were interested in getting the most out of us including ordering additional bottles when we went to a club.

2) This was our first time their and frankly were shocked by some of the amounts these girls were asking for. Some wanted $400 per night, one even wanted $1000.

3) Overall the experience was great, especially taking the women to clubs and getting them back to the room for fun.

4) We stayed at the Hampton in Poblado. Hotel was amazing, and if we did not come down to leave the girl they would call the room to check if we were safe. The only challenge was that you had to pay 150 K for each additional girl we registered.

5) The 3 of us had a lot of girls who were common and had to coin toss to get the first shot at the girls. Some would text my friends next day asking to hangout even though they had hung out with me the previous night. I had to tell them that we just hung out last night and that she was my friend's date. Did not really faze them.

6) I fucked 3 girls total on the trip, 2 of them twice. All of them initially said no to BBFS but agreed to it once we got going. I did not partake and consistently used Condom's for sex.

It was a great experience but I don't think I will be making another trip. I have sugar babies in the US, although I pay them higher they don't have a different dick in them everyday and are much more appreciative of the help I give them.

[SlowBlow]

First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. I don't think it would be that hard to find discreet latinas in America. Especially with the influx the past 3 years. Still, the selection / quality to price ratio is always going to be off in the USA. Just really no point.

It probably is a waste of time and money to go back and forth to Colombia or any other country for just sex. VR porn can be infinitely better than a "vaca muerta" experience where there's zero initiation from the girl. Colombia is kinda shitty but it's also kinda great. The culture and cost of living is so much better than in America so there's many reasons to go there and stay a while.

[Huacho]

We were there from 18th through 21. Luckily one of us landed 30 minutes before the other 2, so one of us held the spot for us in the line. Immigration was easy, no questions were asked other than what you are here for. As soon as we got out of the airport we caught one of the white cabs who did not take us to through the tunnel but still made it to Medellin in a decent time. I think the driver was trying to save money on the tolls you have to pay for the tunnel.

All 3 of us started talking to Chica's a couple of weeks prior to landing in Medellin. Our primary hunting ground was seeking. We did not go to any clubs, or try to pick up chica's from Parque Lleras.

We each setup multiple dates during the day and met with like 3 to 4 girls. One for lunch and fun and then one for dinner club and overnight. For lunch and fun we paid an average of 400 to 500 Mil. For overnight our average was 800 Mil. Some key observations.

1) Of the 30 or so girls we met through seeking, only 2 of them seem like regular girls, most were UTR pro's who were interested in getting the most out of us including ordering additional bottles when we went to a club.

2) This was our first time their and frankly were shocked by some of the amounts these girls were asking for. Some wanted $400 per night, one even wanted $1000.

3) Overall the experience was great, especially taking the women to clubs and getting them back to the room for fun.

4) We stayed at the Hampton in Poblado. Hotel was amazing, and if we did not come down to leave the girl they would call the room to check if we were safe. The only challenge was that you had to pay 150 K for each additional girl we registered.

5) The 3 of us had a lot of girls who were common and had to coin toss to get the first shot at the girls. Some would text my friends next day asking to hangout even though they had hung out with me the previous night. I had to tell them that we just hung out last night and that she was my friend's date. Did not really faze them.

6) I fucked 3 girls total on the trip, 2 of them twice. All of them initially said no to BBFS but agreed to it once we got going. I did not partake and consistently used Condom's for sex.

It was a great experience but I don't think I will be making another trip. I have sugar babies in the US, although I pay them higher they don't have a different dick in them everyday and are much more appreciative of the help I give them.Good report, common rookie errors, but it doesn't seem like it's for you anyway if you are confusing things like who is whose "date. " That is not a factor when dealing with women who have sex for (way too much) money, especially not in Colombia. You're for sure better off with your sugar babies.

[Manizales911]

There is a sign at the head of the passport control line inviting foreigners to use the kiosks. I remember the first time I saw it I wondered why there was no English translation on it.I don't know what sign you saw but the kiosks are for Colombian citizens only. I have permanent Colombian residency and even I can't use them.

[BlueChange]

300 K for 1 hour.

Ahh The most hype hooker in all of Medellin and possibly all of Colombia, the Paisa Pornstar review of everyone's favorite. Vanessa.

She needs no introduction but for those who are new here we are talking about Vanessa. She has been working in Medellin on and off for 5 + years. She will say 3 years because she took off for pandemic and lived off tips from her porn / webcam days. Anyway let's get into the action.

Firstly, Vanessa marketing game is insane, she has all the ads on photoprepago, prepago69 , masjaistapaisa, just short of craigslist you can see her everywhere including Twitter! (Which she post content often by herself and with partners).

She is located in one of the more famous prepago buildings in Poblado (I'll omit the name on here but those who know, know).

Booking her is and art in itself, she has a whole system so let me break it down. When you first message her on WhatsApp, you might not ever get a reply. If you want to hear back from message her m-f between 8:55 am and 9:10 am. She is like a busy resturant and booking her is impossible unless you text during this time. I can not stress enough TEXT only. Secondly, have a little bit more Intresting message then "hola" or "est disponible " say something nice like.

"Buenos theas cario, acabo de salir de la ducha, todo fresco, limpio why afeitado, listo para ver que tengas una experiencia increble. " If she doesn't reply back within the first 45 min or so it's a wrap.

And she got booked so move on and try another day.

Ok, let's say you do score a date with her. She will confirm and then confirm 1 HR before. It's important you don't go too early.

And hand around and ask the apt number (it changes) or else she gets sort of mad that another client is distracting her.

Ok, one you get in, she opens the door and you are greeted with a full plastic pasa Barbie complete with full lips, (lip ring sometimes) HUGE fake bolt ONS and a HUGE ass with a small scuplted waist. The softness skin you ever touched. Her face is like famke Jensen if she was pasa and she is a natural dark red head. This might change as she dyes her hair from red to blond to black to coffee.

Her aparment usually has a couple rooms but only her working out of it. She greets you with a DFK and offers a beer or water. Money up front and then comes down to action.

Vanesa is very passionate with kissing, eye contact touching, carreesinf. She went straight for my.

Knnish. I took off all her clothes but she keeps her ridiculously oversized high heels on. She stands about 5 9'.

Them on and 5 3 with them off. We start with more kissing and sucking, she likes a little pull on her nipples and some playful biting. I'm rock hard and she goes to grab a rubber for a covered BJ. She will NEVER do oral naturale and don't ask. She turns down 1 mil for it and has some weird hygenic about it. Ok, I lay there and she sucks me. It's not bad but it's covered and nothing I can do about it. Next she gets on top, no lube and rides. She gets wet and the we switch to missionary. Her super smooth wet pussy feels awesome.

And her 36 DD press against me as I pound deep. She looks me in the eyes and she starts to rub her clit. Bam! She cums hard and does a shake. She isn't finished. We fuck some more and she goes or grab her pink vibrator and sets it to speed three. She said "it's mi novia" I laugh it start sucking her hugh tits as she cums again. Next it's my turn and she starts to suck me more, I ask if I can finish on her tits and she says "oh sooo claro mi gusta" I shoot a huge.

Load all over her as she strokes me even more. I finish my beer and she offers a massage for the remaining 20 min left. I leave happy satisfied and relaxed right before my flight. I can't stress enough, Vanessa is like a tourist attraction and won't be around forever, so enjoy her while she last. She told me she has like 3 years left.

[Elvis 2008]

We each setup multiple dates during the day and met with like 3 to 4 girls. One for lunch and fun and then one for dinner club and overnight. For lunch and fun we paid an average of 400 to 500 Mil. For overnight our average was 800 Mil. Some key observations.

1) Of the 30 or so girls we met through seeking, only 2 of them seem like regular girls, most were UTR pro's who were interested in getting the most out of us including ordering additional bottles when we went to a club.

2) This was our first time their and frankly were shocked by some of the amounts these girls were asking for. Some wanted $400 per night, one even wanted $1000.Wow, things have changed. When I first used seeking in 2019, I think more than half the women I saw I was the first one they had met off seeking. I did have two crazies who wanted $300 and $800 per day but I never went over $140 for a session, always got bare, and was stunned at how many women never even mentioned price. I last used it in 2021.


It was a great experience but I don't think I will be making another trip. I have sugar babies in the US, although I pay them higher they don't have a different dick in them everyday and are much more appreciative of the help I give them.Yeah, I just read this headline on Zero Hedge today, The Percentage Of Americans That Worry They Won't Be Able To Pay Their Bills Is Higher Than It Was During The Great Recession.

After seeing what guys have been paying for the hotties in Colombia and even Mexico, I am not sure it is worth the trouble of going abroad anymore especially if things are this dire in the USA. I first used seeking in 2009 in the USA and it rocked then. In 2018, I remember sending out hundreds of requests and getting like three responses. Around then, I went abroad and things were MUCH better.

Since I have been in Colombia and now know how the women are, if I were seeking out sugar babies now, I would go to college campuses or where young women hang out and be much more direct. If one told me no, I would ask if she had a friend who was interested in being a sugar baby. The women have been I guess the word is trained to seek out men with money, and the higher class women are usually pretty polite. Still, that approach would take time you probably do not have.

But I think the other thing is the good ones are taken or they are in hard to get to areas. When I meet a woman off seeking, I put her in one of four categories: not interested, hooker material, SB material, and very rarely GF or wife material. I have never met GF material off seeking in the USA. I did meet one or two GF material types in Mexico and three in Colombia. I took one off the market, and I have been following my exs on social media, and one just got engaged. She was a sweet as can be teacher, and I am happy for her. The last GF type is still single in a city way off the beaten path.

In short, I think what you are doing and focusing on the USA makes sense at least for now.

And do not worry about Haucho's comments. Like a lot of guys here, he thinks the whole sugar thing is bullshit and all the seeking women are run of the mill hookers engaged in excessively charging men.

[Knowledge]

I am not Colombian. I have used the Medellin kiosk twice.


I don't know what sign you saw but the kiosks are for Colombian citizens only. I have permanent Colombian residency and even I can't use them.

[Sangnyc21]

Wow, things have changed. When I first used seeking in 2019, I think more than half the women I saw I was the first one they had met off seeking. I did have two crazies who wanted $300 and $800 per day but I never went over $140 for a session, always got bare, and was stunned at how many women never even mentioned price. I last used it in 2021.

Yeah, I just read this headline on Zero Hedge today, The Percentage Of Americans That Worry They Won't Be Able To Pay Their Bills Is Higher Than It Was During The Great Recession.

After seeing what guys have been paying for the hotties in Colombia and even Mexico, I am not sure it is worth the trouble of going abroad anymore especially if things are this dire in the USA. I first used seeking in 2009 in the USA and it rocked then. In 2018, I remember sending out hundreds of requests and getting like three responses. Around then, I went abroad and things were MUCH better.

Since I have been in Colombia and now know how the women are, if I were seeking out sugar babies now, I would go to college campuses or where young women hang out and be much more direct. If one told me no, I would ask if she had a friend who was interested in being a sugar baby. The women have been I guess the word is trained to seek out men with money, and the higher class women are usually pretty polite. Still, that approach would take time you probably do not have.

But I think the other thing is the good ones are taken or they are in hard to get to areas. When I meet a woman off seeking, I put her in one of four categories: not interested, hooker material, SB material, and very rarely GF or wife material. I have never met GF material off seeking in the USA. I did meet one or two GF material types in Mexico and three in Colombia. I took one off the market, and I have been following my exs on social media, and one just got engaged. She was a sweet as can be teacher, and I am happy for her. The last GF type is still single in a city way off the beaten path.

In short, I think what you are doing and focusing on the USA makes sense at least for now.

And do not worry about Haucho's comments. Like a lot of guys here, he thinks the whole sugar thing is bullshit and all the seeking women are run of the mill hookers engaged in excessively charging men.Before my trip to Bogota I was on seeking the average price girls were asking was 2-300 usd. At that price point I just simply tell talk to them like a hooker and explicitly what I'm looking for.

[Smokers Rule]

I also am American and used it about a month ago. I think this is new; I was surprised when they told me to use it.

[Mr Enternational]

I don't know what sign you saw but the kiosks are for Colombian citizens only. I have permanent Colombian residency and even I can't use them.Maybe you are talking about the entering kiosks which would be true. Others are talking about the departing kiosks which would also be true.

[Gabacho]

Maybe you are talking about the entering kiosks which would be true. Others are talking about the departing kiosks which would also be true.A friend of mine just left from MDE airport (international flight) this morning and he confirmed that there are no Biomig kiosks for extranjeros. He had to wait in line, speak to a Migracion Colombia agent, and get an exit stamp in his passport. It is only when leaving from BOG El Dorado airport that they have Biomig kiosks for us.

[FFlintstone69]

Before my trip to Bogota I was on seeking the average price girls were asking was 2-300 usd. At that price point I just simply tell talk to them like a hooker and explicitly what I'm looking for.He and others argue that there are different strata for hookers, if that's true, then there is this to explain.

How some mongers are overcharged, different stratas for mongers.

https://www.wbez.org/race-out-loud/2012/08/29/asian-american-men-less-likely-to-date-interacially

I myself thinks there are different strata for hookers, they are as follows.

Doable vs undoable not even at the barrel of a gun (probably 90-95% fall into the later category).

The other strata is pleasers vs scammers.

IME the higher the price a hooker charges the more mercenary she is and the less of a pleaser she is.

In closing, market price is eventually determined by what the outliers pay (are overcharged).