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DrMcNaughty
11-24-16, 03:56
I read this article. Sounds like the windsurfing zone has become a party zone! Any action with Venezuelans there?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/venezuelan-windsurfing-mecca-off-course-el-yaque
Bro.
Since I was solo and my main purpose was only mongering I did not do much of Island tourist stuff. I am a canadian citizen but I flew from Medellin, Colombia as I was already there.
Regards,
John.
I was there in 2002 windsurfing, is there much of that going on anymore? Did you fly from Miami? I noticed there are rt flights from Miami for under $250. Are there many spinner types that don't have a badonkadonk ass?
Ok Guys.
So there are several options to choose from in Isla. One plain vanila route which is pretty good is the Heren Club. The best Night club in Isla. Where about 8 to 10 girls work any given day. These girls cost 50,000 bolivar ($18), at todays rate of close to 3000 bolivar per dollar for 30 minutes in the room. I have connection for the manager of this club. Girls can come your place during day for about 100,000 bolivar per hour. These are more hard core girls who are used to fucking many guys a day.
Second option is newspaper online adds which cost about 20,000 ($6) bolivar approx per hour. Girls get about 12,000.
Third option is friends who can find you good looking college girls. Some can range from 20,000 bolivar to 50,000 bolivar per hour. I had some super good connections.
Carrying cash in Venezuela now has become impossible. Think of 3 stacks of $1 bills (100 each). And those 3 stacks equal US $10. Plus no one has any more cash. Most people prefer to use debit card. Now as a foreigner you can't open a bank account so until they come up with new bills in December it is now become a necessity to use some one else debit card. So you sell dollar to some one and they will transfer money to your friend account and you then can easily use the funds.
$ today website rate the day I am leaving today is 2,970 to dollar. Best rate I was offered on transfer of funds was 2850 to a dollar. I was in Venezuela from November 17 to November 27. Exactly 10 days. I saw the worse depreciation of any currency in the world. It depreciated from 1900 to $ to 3000.
If any of you are seriously considering going to Isla and need some contacts ask me via PM.
As per safety of this city. It is as safe as medellin, Colombia pretty much where there is crime in certain parts of the city more and in others it is safe.
Happy Hunting.
JOHN.
Hi John,
Seems like you got an early start to a happy new year.
I'm brand new hear and can't figure out how to use PM (I did check the FAQs). Regarding the contacts you mentioned, care to share? I hope to be going in the next few months and want to get squared away before I get there.
Have a great one!
AJ.
Ok Guys.
So there are several options to choose from in Isla. One plain vanila route which is pretty good is the Heren Club. The best Night club in Isla. Where about 8 to 10 girls work any given day. These girls cost 50,000 bolivar ($18), at todays rate of close to 3000 bolivar per dollar for 30 minutes in the room. I have connection for the manager of this club. Girls can come your place during day for about 100,000 bolivar per hour. These are more hard core girls who are used to fucking many guys a day.
Second option is newspaper online adds which cost about 20,000 ($6) bolivar approx per hour. Girls get about 12,000.
Third option is friends who can find you good looking college girls. Some can range from 20,000 bolivar to 50,000 bolivar per hour. I had some super good connections..===============================================
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At mid-May 2017,1 dollar = 5000 bolivars.
All the strip clubs are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue. Opening at 8pm and closed at 3am (on saturday night, the Harem become a normal disco after 3am with full of youg locals and non-pro chicas).
Harem club: 74000 bolivars for short time including room. As I have already written, the Harem's chicas are physically top model, the best looking in Isla Margarita, but they are cold and unfriendly and but most suck with condom.
Morisson club: 32000 bolivars for short time. About 10 chicas everynight with good look, all are friendly; 120000 bolivars for all night up to 6 am.
Mediterraneos 2 : 38000 bolivars for short time if you paid cash, 48000 bolivars if you paid by credit card. About 20 chicas everynight, some are good looking, some are chubby and ugly. Good atmosphere, David the manager can give you a good exchange rate if you have dollars.
Hawaii: 10 up to 15 chicas, big club with a dancing floor. 30000 bolivars for short time.
Lady drink cost 3000 bolivars (the chica get 2000).
After spending 2 or 3 nights in the club with tthe girls, they learn to know you and trust you, and most agree to meet you on day time to have fun in your hotel or on the beach.
At mid-May 2017,1 dollar = 5000 bolivars.
All the strip clubs are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue. Opening at 8pm and closed at 3am (on saturday night, the Harem become a normal disco after 3am with full of youg locals and non-pro chicas).
Harem club: 74000 bolivars for short time including room. As I have already written, the Harem's chicas are physically top model, the best looking in Isla Margarita, but they are cold and unfriendly and but most suck with condom.
Morisson club: 32000 bolivars for short time. About 10 chicas everynight with good look, all are friendly; 120000 bolivars for all night up to 6 am.
Mediterraneos 2 : 38000 bolivars for short time if you paid cash, 48000 bolivars if you paid by credit card. About 20 chicas everynight, some are good looking, some are chubby and ugly. Good atmosphere, David the manager can give you a good exchange rate if you have dollars.
Hawaii: 10 up to 15 chicas, big club with a dancing floor. 30000 bolivars for short time.
Lady drink cost 3000 bolivars (the chica get 2000).
After spending 2 or 3 nights in the club with tthe girls, they learn to know you and trust you, and most agree to meet you on day time to have fun in your hotel or on the beach.The problem is how to get to Isla Margarita: I was planning a trip myself for December and apparently neither Conviasa nor Avior are flying direct from Maiquetia to Porlamar. Help Haitek!
The problem is how to get to Isla Margarita: I was planning a trip myself for December and apparently neither Conviasa nor Avior are flying direct from Maiquetia to Porlamar. Help Haitek!You must go to Caracas to catch a flight to Isla Margarita. You may take a bus to Puerto La cruz or Cumana and take a boat to Isla Margarita.
I'm looking for some monger action in south america. Colombia looks pretty open on the web. I can see a ton of fetish like stuff available with a lot of the girls. Should I expect the same in Isla Margarita? Do girls do the crazy stuff like swallow, lick ass, get [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101), do threesomes? How rare are girls who do that kind of stuff?
I also heard some guy got a girl for a week. Stayed at her place. She cooked / cleaned and he just fucked her without condoms whenever he wanted. How rare is it to get that setup?
I'm going to south America soon and there isn't much specific girl service information. Is it hard to get extra monger services like swallow, threesome, ass lick, G shower, etc or is it pretty standard stuff here?
I'm going to south America soon and there isn't much specific girl service information. Is it hard to get extra monger services like swallow, threesome, ass lick, G shower, etc or is it pretty standard stuff here?Check my pictures in the galery photo thread.
Check my pictures in the galery photo thread.Thanks Haitek, I guess it's pretty common?
I get the black market exchange on facebook or localbitcoin.com for the local currency but I hear there's a shortage of bank notes. Do the locals you guys contact / hotels usually have enough notes? My plan is to visit all the strip clubs (thanks Haitek for the price updates), and sample some escorts. Is there something like sexycaracas.com for Isla Margarita and does anyone have any contacts for cute college girls that they can share? I'm planning to go in November or January (I hear December is dead because of Christmas).
When reading all the forums, it looks like food isn't a problem. It's just toilet paper and tooth paste that's a problem? It doesn't look like I can book a direct or indirect flight from the US so I'm guessing I should just book a flight to Maracaibo and then buy a ticket to isla of margarita while I'm at the Maracaibo airport?
So far from what I've gathered, Caracas is too dangerous (can't go out after dark) so that leaves Isla Margarita, Maracaibo and Puerto La Cruz? Isla Margarita has strip clubs but the other two lack them? Puerto La Cruz has a bar of some kind but [CodeWord903] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903) girls frequent there so you got to card them?
Should I bring usd cash, use paypal or use bitcoin for the black market exchange? What's the girl guy ratio in the strip clubs on Isla Margarita?
Thanks Haitek, I guess it's pretty common?
I get the black market exchange on facebook or localbitcoin.com for the local currency but I hear there's a shortage of bank notes. Do the locals you guys contact / hotels usually have enough notes? My plan is to visit all the strip clubs (thanks Haitek for the price updates), and sample some escorts. Is there something like sexycaracas.com for Isla Margarita and does anyone have any contacts for cute college girls that they can share? I'm planning to go in November or January (I hear December is dead because of Christmas).
When reading all the forums, it looks like food isn't a problem. It's just toilet paper and tooth paste that's a problem? It doesn't look like I can book a direct or indirect flight from the US so I'm guessing I should just book a flight to Maracaibo and then buy a ticket to isla of margarita while I'm at the Maracaibo airport?
So far from what I've gathered, Caracas is too dangerous (can't go out after dark) so that leaves Isla Margarita, Maracaibo and Puerto La Cruz? Isla Margarita has strip clubs but the other two lack them? Puerto La Cruz has a bar of some kind but ... girls frequent there so you got to card them?
Should I bring usd cash, use paypal or use bitcoin for the black market exchange? What's the girl guy ratio in the strip clubs on Isla Margarita?Sex party or Sexo de groupo is common if you have money (of course the girls need to known and trust you as well).
The best option for you is to stay a few first days at Villa del Sol in Isla Margarita. The canadian owner Robert can help you alot, including exchanging your dollars at decent rate (if Robert is in Canada at that time, ask for his assistant Walter).
There was a escort agency in Margarita but it's close now. For college girl or semi-pro, also check with Robert, he known dozens of them.
After a few days at Villa del Sol, you can move to Porlamar where all strip clubs are located.
Toilet paper and tooth paste are not a problem if you have money. In a fist store you may not find those products, but in a second store next to it there are plenty. You have to take time to find the product, that's all.
I come from Europe and never went to Maracaibo. But it happen that I move a lot between the city in Venezuela. If there is no flight, I take a hotel taxi if I'm alone (still cheap thank to black market rate), or a public bus if I'm with a local friend or a chica. Remember this rule: never take the road between city at late afternoon or at night time.
Caracas is dangerous, but it's ok if you move by taxi at night. Also always move by taxi at night anywhere in Venezuela. Only on the paseo of Puerto la Cruz I walk at night because there are still people on the street, and there are plenty of freelancers at Buffalo Grill bar.
Only US dollars in cash, with small note of 10,20 and 50 dollars (many locals do not have much bolivars to exchange more than 20 dollars).
In week day you may be the only guy in the strip club. From Thursday to Saturday, maybe 1 guy for 2 chicas.
Sex party or Sexo de groupo is common if you have money (of course the girls need to known and trust you as well).
The best option for you is to stay a few first days at Villa del Sol in Isla Margarita. The canadian owner Robert can help you alot, including exchanging your dollars at decent rate (if Robert is in Canada at that time, ask for his assistant Walter).
There was a escort agency in Margarita but it's close now. For college girl or semi-pro, also check with Robert, he known dozens of them.Sweet, just emailed them and they said they would assign me someone to a accompany me around the island. Hopefully they don't mean a male tour guide, LOL. I'll email them again. I know mongering is legal there, but can I be direct when emailing them or is it considered rude?
After a few days at Villa del Sol, you can move to Porlamar where all strip clubs are located.Do you have any favorite hotels near the strip clubs? It looks like they are all "sold out" on expedia. Is it unusual to pay in local currency when I get there?
Toilet paper and tooth paste are not a problem if you have money. In a fist store you may not find those products, but in a second store next to it there are plenty. You have to take time to find the product, that's all.
I come from Europe and never went to Maracaibo. But it happen that I move a lot between the city in Venezuela. If there is no flight, I take a hotel taxi if I'm alone (still cheap thank to black market rate), or a public bus if I'm with a local friend or a chica. Remember this rule: never take the road between city at late afternoon or at night time.
Caracas is dangerous, but it's ok if you move by taxi at night. Also always move by taxi at night anywhere in Venezuela. Only on the paseo of Puerto la Cruz I walk at night because there are still people on the street, and there are plenty of freelancers at Buffalo Grill bar.I heard the isle of margarita was pretty safe? Would you walk around at dark in Porlamar? Let's say from the strip club to a restaurant two blocks away?
Only US dollars in cash, with small note of 10,20 and 50 dollars (many locals do not have much bolivars to exchange more than 20 dollars).I read somewhere that the airport security may search through all your stuff and take your dollars. Have you had that happen to you?
In week day you may be the only guy in the strip club. From Thursday to Saturday, maybe 1 guy for 2 chicas.It's hard to find many photos of the talent around Venezuela cities. How would you rank the girls in Porlamar vs the girls in the other cities of Venezuela? How would you rank not getting mugged in Porlamar vs the other cities of Venezuela during the day and during the night? I'm about 6 foot tall and lift weights so I'm guessing I'll stand out a lot and have more chances of getting mugged than the normal person? I heard the best thing to do is put like 10 bucks in local currency in your front pocket and if someone pulls a gun on you, throw the money on the ground and run?
Explorer8939
08-27-17, 03:25
I have to weigh in here.
Mongering in Venezuela is extremely dangerous at this moment in time. First off, the US has no diplomatic relations with Venezuela, and so if you have any problems with authorities, you are on your own, similar to North Korea. More to the point, dollars are only convertible at the official rate, which is pennies on the dollar compared with the black market rate. But, if you get caught with dollars at the airport, you lose them. And ATMs will only give you local money at the official rate, which makes mongering in Venezuela the most expensive in the world.
On top of that, due to its isolation, Isla Margarita is a poor place for the hobby, the few girls there know they have a captive market. I have been all over Venezuela, and am fluent in Spanish, IM is not a good destination unless you are willing to spend crazy money on the few ladies there.
And crime is very serious there.
Sweet, just emailed them and they said they would assign me someone to a accompany me around the island. Hopefully they don't mean a male tour guide, LOL. I'll email them again. I know mongering is legal there, but can I be direct when emailing them or is it considered rude?
Do you have any favorite hotels near the strip clubs? It looks like they are all "sold out" on expedia. Is it unusual to pay in local currency when I get there?
I heard the isle of margarita was pretty safe? Would you walk around at dark in Porlamar? Let's say from the strip club to a restaurant two blocks away?
I read somewhere that the airport security may search through all your stuff and take your dollars. Have you had that happen to you?
It's hard to find many photos of the talent around Venezuela cities. How would you rank the girls in Porlamar vs the girls in the other cities of Venezuela? How would you rank not getting mugged in Porlamar vs the other cities of Venezuela during the day and during the night? I'm about 6 foot tall and lift weights so I'm guessing I'll stand out a lot and have more chances of getting mugged than the normal person? I heard the best thing to do is put like 10 bucks in local currency in your front pocket and if someone pulls a gun on you, throw the money on the ground and run?
Hahahaha... It's risky to ask directly for a female guide tour, Robert have a 50 years old female assistant, maybe she is the one to answer your mail. Once in Villa del Sol, ask Robert for a female guide with "servicio" (and two female guides if you wish), he will arranged it for you.
My favorite hotel is Princesa Margarita hotel, located 50 meters next to the Harem club on the same pavement of 4 de Mayo avenue. Other great hotel is Venetur Porlamar (ex-Hilton), but you have to take a taxi to visit the club. Do not book on internet and paid in dollar, Porlamar is very quiet and all hotels are empty (exept during big week-end holidays). Always paid in bolivars!
To walk one block on big avenue is ok. But to move to Morrison or other club on small street, take a taxi even for 500 meters!
It's never happen to me at any airport in Venezuela. Importing up to 10000 us dollars is legal, it's mentioned on the customs declaration that you have to fill out. Only risk is getting extort your money on the road between the cities at police or army check-point. Just say you are going to call your embassy and they let go you.
Concerning the beauty of the girls, it is a matter of personal taste.
Porlamar is very safe on day time. Night time is risky, but not much compared to Caracas. Do what the locals do : if you see family with kids on the street, then you can walk; if you see no one, then do not go. In case of theft, do not panic, let the thieves check your pocket and take what they want. And yes, if they find 10 dollars in your front pocket, they are happy and they are the ones running fast.
Anyway, if you stay at Villa del Sol, Robert will give you all support you need.
I have to weigh in here.
Mongering in Venezuela is extremely dangerous at this moment in time. First off, the US has no diplomatic relations with Venezuela, and so if you have any problems with authorities, you are on your own, similar to North Korea...
I have been all over Venezuela, and am fluent in Spanish...
US consulat in Caracas: https://ve.usembassy.gov/.
You have been all over Venezuela, this would be great to post your reports to help us, thank.
I have to weigh in here.
Mongering in Venezuela is extremely dangerous at this moment in time. First off, the US has no diplomatic relations with Venezuela, and so if you have any problems with authorities, you are on your own, similar to North Korea. More to the point, dollars are only convertible at the official rate, which is pennies on the dollar compared with the black market rate. But, if you get caught with dollars at the airport, you lose them. And ATMs will only give you local money at the official rate, which makes mongering in Venezuela the most expensive in the world.
On top of that, due to its isolation, Isla Margarita is a poor place for the hobby, the few girls there know they have a captive market. I have been all over Venezuela, and am fluent in Spanish, IM is not a good destination unless you are willing to spend crazy money on the few ladies there.
And crime is very serious there.You are comparing prices to the official rate which no one with any sense and US Dollars would use to change their money. Using the black market rate makes Venezuela one of the cheapest places in the world to visit. I have not traveled all over Venezuela but, I have been to a few cities including Maracaibo. By using basic common sense the country is safe.
No one at the airport is going to take your US dollars unless they have true reason to suspect your are entering the country to commit a crime or launder money. Again, use common sense don't flaunt your money, don't talk loud, be respectful, don't have $100,000 taped to your stomach when going through immigration.
I am sure where ever you are from you wouldn't do things in bad areas which would cause attention to be drawn to you so just do the same in Venezuela and you will be fine.
At mid-May 2017,1 dollar = 5000 bolivars.
All the strip clubs are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue. Opening at 8pm and closed at 3am (on saturday night, the Harem become a normal disco after 3am with full of youg locals and non-pro chicas).
Harem club: 74000 bolivars for short time including room. As I have already written, the Harem's chicas are physically top model, the best looking in Isla Margarita, but they are cold and unfriendly and but most suck with condom.
Morisson club: 32000 bolivars for short time. About 10 chicas everynight with good look, all are friendly; 120000 bolivars for all night up to 6 am.
Mediterraneos 2 : 38000 bolivars for short time if you paid cash, 48000 bolivars if you paid by credit card. About 20 chicas everynight, some are good looking, some are chubby and ugly. Good atmosphere, David the manager can give you a good exchange rate if you have dollars.
Hawaii: 10 up to 15 chicas, big club with a dancing floor. 30000 bolivars for short time.
Lady drink cost 3000 bolivars (the chica get 2000).
After spending 2 or 3 nights in the club with tthe girls, they learn to know you and trust you, and most agree to meet you on day time to have fun in your hotel or on the beach.Hi newbie here,
I'm coming on Sunday I'll be staying at either Palm Beach Hotel or Portifino and was wondering which strips clubs are closest to the hotels? Dolartoday has the exchange at 29,000 $1 will I get anything close to that? Any other tips or advice you can give?
Hi newbie here,
I'm coming on Sunday I'll be staying at either Palm Beach Hotel or Portifino and was wondering which strips clubs are closest to the hotels? Dolartoday has the exchange at 29,000 $1 will I get anything close to that? Any other tips or advice you can give?For cash, you should get around 24000 = 1 dollar. Enjoy Margarita!
Had been reading this forum and decided I'd like to explore Venezuela. Did a lot of research so kind of knew how to prepare beforehand for money, transfers and a debit card.
My trip was from Nov 27 till Dec 3. (Monday to Sunday). I'm 35, and my Spanish is pretty good and have been to Colombia 3 times, and other Latin places a few times too, so I thought I'd take the next step.
Did a pre-search on tinder and some on Seeking arrangement and matched with a bunch in the Puerto la Cruz and Barcelona area. Also had a few in Isla margarita but not that many. One that did match told me she would help me with her dad's debit card and try and arrange for some cash. It turned out she would be out of town the week I was there so she gave me her sisters number who was also super-hot but I didn't expect to have relations with her (more on that later).
I booked an Airbnb in Porlamar next to La Samanna hotel which is about a 5 min walk from La Vela mall. Cost was about $160 usd and the apartment was in a nice building with a pool, doorman, balcony, 1 bedroom, 2 washrooms, a kitchen, den and DirecTV. After checking out, the Airbnb guy said if I paid in bolivares it would be about 30 $ for the 6 days. Since I had no option of doing that pre-trip I was ok with paying the 160 $. Have his number for next time.
The following is a very detailed report of my time there. Not just about P4P's as I believe this will help others in planning and getting an idea of how things work in Isla margarita, and Venezuela in general.
1ST DAY (Monday).
Reached the airport of Porlamar at about 4 pm and had Airbnb guy send a taxi from there to the airport. He said he would pay the taxi and when I had my debit card I could do transfer. Cost was 100.000,00 bolvares (about $1. 25) at that days exchange rate. Check in was easy and the Airbnb guy left in about 20 min after showing me around.
I was in contact with the tinder girls sister (let's call her Tinder girl) and she said she would reach my apartment at about 5 pm which would give me enough time to shower and change. She arrives and she's a 19 year old hottie. Huge 36 the breasts. She also has a cute friend with her who seemed young but was also 19. No problems with the doorman letting either of them in. She said her dad didn't find the card and she had about 50 k cash with her which is pretty much nothing. She did promise that tomorrow in the morning she'd have her dad's card and we would go get cash. So I said ok that's fine. And said let's go eat something. There was a pizza place (La Romana) nearby so we decided to walk there due to our lack of cash. The other girl said she's leaving her phone at the apartment because she recently got hers stolen. I decided to take the risk and took my Samsung S7 with me. The servers said they don't accept USD at all so they asked some customers if they would take it and pay the pizzeria. One agreed to take 10 $usd and pay 700 k for us. At this day the DolarToday rate was about 85 k so we said that's fine as we had no option. We all ordered a lot of good quality food and drinks, and still had some money left so took some water bottles to go. This is when I first realized 10 $ goes a long way there. After dinner we walked home at about 9 pm which wasn't recommended but it was a 5 min walk and we had no choice. After that the girls decided to head home and the tinder girl would meet me in the morning. Since I had a long travel day (left Bogota at 7 am after a heavy night of drinking) and no cash or debit, I decided to call it an early night.
2ND DAY (Tuesday).
Next day tinder girl reached at 10 am as promised with her dad's debit card (tarjeta) from Banesco. She gave me the online banking PWD as well as the cedula # of her dad. We had to send a pic of the cash to the money changer as he needed proof that we had 100 $ bills. I decided to change $300. The DolarToday rate was 85 k and I got 78 k for the transfer. All in her dad's account. I did for a moment think that she might scam me but I basically didn't have much choice. So we changed the money at a cell phone shop then to another Gold buying place to change 30 $ for cash. The max amount they would give was 150 k in cash (in small bills. See pic#1) and the rest in transfer to the tarjeta. We at least had cash for taxis and the debit card to pay for stuff. The transferencia didn't work the first day as there was a problem with the dad's email but worked the next day onwards without a problem. We then had a great meal with wine and beers in the Centro area for about 200 k. We headed home and then she wished me good luck and headed home too. She gave me a taxi guys number who accepted transferecia and would be available 24 hours a day for me with a half hour notice.
I took a nap and then at about 10 pm headed to Haren with the taxi guy. I told him to come in and hang out with me as well and he did. Lot of cute girls, I would say a lot of 7's and a couple of 8's. I had drinks with a couple girls. They usually ask for a champagne bottle which is about 200 k (the girls get 60 k) so I said ok to whoever was sitting with me for more than a couple min. I was drinking a lot too and got hungry so one of the huge bodyguards said there was street food outside so I went with him. This is on 4 de mayo at about 2 am so wouldn't recommend to doing it alone but I decided to go. Met 2 girls working at another club outside and since I wanted company I offered to pay for their food. Total for 5 hamburgers was really cheap (I think 200 k). The girls themselves were not pretty at all (3-4's at best). One said she could get me bolivares cash in big bills next day so I took her number and said sure. After eating went back to Haren and found a light skinned spinner (Kendra) who was an 8 and decided to take her. I'm pretty sure I overpaid as I was drunk and the bodyguard knew that. Total was 4 million bolivares (50 $). We took a cab home and the sex was awesome. Without much pressure of me asking she did BBBJ as well as bareback sex. She left at about 7 am because she had something to do. Took her number for later and told her to come back when she's free.
3RD DAY (Wednesday).
Woke up at about noon, and walked to the mall for some food, and to get a SIM. It was about 40 k to get a line with about 2 GB, so definitely better than paying for the Roaming that I was. Also booked a massage at a spa there for later in the evening for 150 k. BTW, the mall is almost like any in North America, with big brand names, clean, nice food court etc. Wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while walking around there.
Anyways, headed back, and messaged an agency that I saw on some Anuncia website, and got them to send me a girl after looking at a couple of pics. Cost was 620 k with taxi for 3 hours. Paid by transferencia. The girl was very good looking (pics attached) and gave me BBBJ no prob. I was too tired from the night before so that's all I did, then she massaged me for a while. After that, I took her to a very nice restaurant nearby La Vaquera. We ordered steaks and beer, and she got something to go for home, and the total was probably around 900 k. She then took a cab home for which I paid about 20 k in transferencia since I was pretty much out of cash now.
In the meantime, the tinder girl from the first day messaged me and asked if I wanted to go to bar / lounge this evening. I said sure, and she said she'the come pick me up with the taxi guy at around 11 pm. She comes, and is looking awesome, and we go to a place called Green Martini. Again this is a great bar / lounge and wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while inside here. We dance, drink and eventually make out as well, so I'm feeling pretty good. We leave at like 3 am, and she invites herself to come upstairs and continue drinking, so I said of course. Once upstairs, wasn't a lot of drinking, but make out and then head to the bed to continue further. She was super awesome (some pics attached without her face). Also wasn't too hard to get bareback sex with her.
4TH DAY (Thursday).
Was still with the tinder girl in the morning, so we decided to head to the beach (Playa Parguito). Was about a half hour drive. Stayed there for a few hours and drank, ate, got massages, and probably paid about 1 million bolivares (about 15 $). She got dropped off at her house on her way home, but we made plans to go to another club at night. I go home and take a nap to recover.
She comes picks me up at like 1030 pm, and we are going to Bora Bora its Thursday, and that's ladies night, where all women drink for free! Place was huge and packed by 12, and this was more like a true nightclub. She had a couple of friends with her and I was dancing with all of them (reggaeton grinding kinda dance). I ordered a bottle of vodka and some food, and was about 5-6 of us, 1 other guy and the rest girls. After a while, they said this other place is better, and we should go there. So we take a cab to Loft, which was smaller, but stays open till about 5-6 am. Again got bottles / cokes / red bulls / juices and went to VIP. Left at about 6 am, and my bill was probably 3-4 million (40-50 $) for the both places. At the end, the tinder girl said she had university at 9 am, and had to go home, so I went and slept, which wasn't too bad as I had a big day the next day.
5TH Day (Friday).
Today was the day that my Seeking Arrangement girl was coming from Cumana, about 3 hours or so away in a ferry. She was bringing a friend as she didn't want to travel alone, and I was fine with that. She never brought up money or anything, so I didn't know what to expect. I did pay for her ferry ride, which about 400 k, and also told her to bring some cash. She said she found someone who could give 1 million bolivares in cash for 1. 32 million. I agreed to that, since I had pretty much no cash. She would be here by around 11 pm at night, so I had a full day to myself.
1st, I wanted to get some more money in my account, so I asked the tinder girl if she knew anyone who could accept PayPal and then transfer to the account. She found someone who could give 95 k per dollar (DolarToday rate was about 105 k), so I accepted and sent over 100 $ to get 9.5 million BVF. 2nd, I messaged that girl I met on the street outside of Haren, as she said she could give me 1.35 million BVF cash for $20, and in big bills, so I definitely wanted that. She came over to do the exchange and actually gave me a nice massage too. I didn't want to do anything else with her as I wasn't attracted to her at all.
After getting all this cash situation out of the way, I called the Haren girl again (Kendra). She came by at about 3 pm and looked better than before. We hung out at the pool for a bit, then went back to the apartment. Good DFK, foreplay, and eventually bareback sex again. One of the better sessions I have had. I transferred her 500 k, and she was happy about that. We took a cab, I went to the mall, and she back to her place.
One of the girls at the Bora Bora club, who was with the tinder girl messaged me and asked if I wanted to come to the mall and meet up, since she worked there, and was free till 7 pm. So I said sure, and met up with her and had a nice pizza meal. She was down to meet up later after work, but I told her I that probably wasn't going to be possible.
While waiting for the SA girls to come, I went to another club near my place, 1900. It was also packed, but I was solo and didn't want to hit on any girls that might be taken etc. , so just had a few drinks and then went back. My taxi guy went to pick up the 2 girls from the ferry port, so he gave me a heads-up when they were about 15 min away. The SA girl (24 years old) was very nice and her friend average. She gave me the 1 million in cash as soon as she unpacked. I told them to change, and then headed to Loft again, the same place as the night before. Another night of drinking and dancing, and we head home at about 5 am. The friend sleeps on the couch, and the other with me, and we were pretty drunk but did end up having sex before passing out.
6TH DAY (Saturday).
I was pretty burnt out with late nights and excessive drinking, so wanted to have a relaxed beach day again with these 2. Didn't do much, went to the mall and ate etc. , they were really happy that I was spoiling them, even though it was costing me practically nothing. I did want to get some more money so asked them if they knew of any PayPal transfer guys. (didn't want to ask original tinder girl because she was kinda pissed I was blowing her off). They did say that someone would take cash instead, and I could pay them and they would take it back to Cumana. So got $100 changed for 95 k again (DolarToday rate was still about 105 k). The plan was to go out at night again, but all of us were tired, and just decided to stay home and drink, and chat. Learned a lot about Venezuela in the convo with these 2. One was a doctor, and the other a psychologist, so they were pretty smart.
7TH DAY (Sunday).
Not much happened this day, my flight was at 3 pm, their ferry was at 5 pm. My taxi guy would drop the both of us. Did some shopping for jerseys for me, and got them some Vodka and Cacique and chocolates that made them super happy. I had about 8 million left in my account, so I told the SA girl, I'll give her 4 million, and that made her really happy. The other 4 million I left for the tinder girl, for helping me with her dad's card. I met the tinder girl at the airport to drop of the card and thank her.
So there you go, my trip was awesome. I was expecting it to be way more dangerous than it was (it might still be, and I got lucky with doing what I did). I knew money would be an issue, and it definitely was, but I was able to overcome that. I knew it would be only Spanish there, and it was, don't think I spoke any English in the week I was there.
I do have more contacts now, of people willing to lend me their debit card, taxi guys, girls, bartenders etc. And will definably go again soon, and have a better idea what to expect.
Let me know if anyone has any questions or wants any contact info in Porlamar / Margarita.
Had been reading this forum and decided I'd like to explore Venezuela. Did a lot of research so kind of knew how to prepare beforehand for money, transfers and a debit card.
My trip was from Nov 27 till Dec 3. (Monday to Sunday). I'm 35, and my Spanish is pretty good and have been to Colombia 3 times, and other Latin places a few times too, so I thought I'd take the next step.
Did a pre-search on tinder and some on Seeking arrangement and matched with a bunch in the Puerto la Cruz and Barcelona area. Also had a few in Isla margarita but not that many. One that did match told me she would help me with her dad's debit card and try and arrange for some cash. It turned out she would be out of town the week I was there so she gave me her sisters number who was also super-hot but I didn't expect to have relations with her (more on that later).
I booked an Airbnb in Porlamar next to La Samanna hotel which is about a 5 min walk from La Vela mall. Cost was about $160 usd and the apartment was in a nice building with a pool, doorman, balcony, 1 bedroom, 2 washrooms, a kitchen, den and DirecTV. After checking out, the Airbnb guy said if I paid in bolivares it would be about 30 $ for the 6 days. Since I had no option of doing that pre-trip I was ok with paying the 160 $. Have his number for next time.
The following is a very detailed report of my time there. Not just about P4P's as I believe this will help others in planning and getting an idea of how things work in Isla margarita, and Venezuela in general.
1ST DAY (Monday).
Reached the airport of Porlamar at about 4 pm and had Airbnb guy send a taxi from there to the airport. He said he would pay the taxi and when I had my debit card I could do transfer. Cost was 100.000,00 bolvares (about $1. 25) at that days exchange rate. Check in was easy and the Airbnb guy left in about 20 min after showing me around.
I was in contact with the tinder girls sister (let's call her Tinder girl) and she said she would reach my apartment at about 5 pm which would give me enough time to shower and change. She arrives and she's a 19 year old hottie. Huge 36 the breasts. She also has a cute friend with her who seemed young but was also 19. No problems with the doorman letting either of them in. She said her dad didn't find the card and she had about 50 k cash with her which is pretty much nothing. She did promise that tomorrow in the morning she'd have her dad's card and we would go get cash. So I said ok that's fine. And said let's go eat something. There was a pizza place (La Romana) nearby so we decided to walk there due to our lack of cash. The other girl said she's leaving her phone at the apartment because she recently got hers stolen. I decided to take the risk and took my Samsung S7 with me. The servers said they don't accept USD at all so they asked some customers if they would take it and pay the pizzeria. One agreed to take 10 $usd and pay 700 k for us. At this day the DolarToday rate was about 85 k so we said that's fine as we had no option. We all ordered a lot of good quality food and drinks, and still had some money left so took some water bottles to go. This is when I first realized 10 $ goes a long way there. After dinner we walked home at about 9 pm which wasn't recommended but it was a 5 min walk and we had no choice. After that the girls decided to head home and the tinder girl would meet me in the morning. Since I had a long travel day (left Bogota at 7 am after a heavy night of drinking) and no cash or debit, I decided to call it an early night.
2ND DAY (Tuesday).
Next day tinder girl reached at 10 am as promised with her dad's debit card (tarjeta) from Banesco. She gave me the online banking PWD as well as the cedula # of her dad. We had to send a pic of the cash to the money changer as he needed proof that we had 100 $ bills. I decided to change $300. The DolarToday rate was 85 k and I got 78 k for the transfer. All in her dad's account. I did for a moment think that she might scam me but I basically didn't have much choice. So we changed the money at a cell phone shop then to another Gold buying place to change 30 $ for cash. The max amount they would give was 150 k in cash (in small bills. See pic#1) and the rest in transfer to the tarjeta. We at least had cash for taxis and the debit card to pay for stuff. The transferencia didn't work the first day as there was a problem with the dad's email but worked the next day onwards without a problem. We then had a great meal with wine and beers in the Centro area for about 200 k. We headed home and then she wished me good luck and headed home too. She gave me a taxi guys number who accepted transferecia and would be available 24 hours a day for me with a half hour notice.
I took a nap and then at about 10 pm headed to Haren with the taxi guy. I told him to come in and hang out with me as well and he did. Lot of cute girls, I would say a lot of 7's and a couple of 8's. I had drinks with a couple girls. They usually ask for a champagne bottle which is about 200 k (the girls get 60 k) so I said ok to whoever was sitting with me for more than a couple min. I was drinking a lot too and got hungry so one of the huge bodyguards said there was street food outside so I went with him. This is on 4 de mayo at about 2 am so wouldn't recommend to doing it alone but I decided to go. Met 2 girls working at another club outside and since I wanted company I offered to pay for their food. Total for 5 hamburgers was really cheap (I think 200 k). The girls themselves were not pretty at all (3-4's at best). One said she could get me bolivares cash in big bills next day so I took her number and said sure. After eating went back to Haren and found a light skinned spinner (Kendra) who was an 8 and decided to take her. I'm pretty sure I overpaid as I was drunk and the bodyguard knew that. Total was 4 million bolivares (50 $). We took a cab home and the sex was awesome. Without much pressure of me asking she did BBBJ as well as bareback sex. She left at about 7 am because she had something to do. Took her number for later and told her to come back when she's free.
3RD DAY (Wednesday).
Woke up at about noon, and walked to the mall for some food, and to get a SIM. It was about 40 k to get a line with about 2 GB, so definitely better than paying for the Roaming that I was. Also booked a massage at a spa there for later in the evening for 150 k. BTW, the mall is almost like any in North America, with big brand names, clean, nice food court etc. Wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while walking around there.
Anyways, headed back, and messaged an agency that I saw on some Anuncia website, and got them to send me a girl after looking at a couple of pics. Cost was 620 k with taxi for 3 hours. Paid by transferencia. The girl was very good looking (pics attached) and gave me BBBJ no prob. I was too tired from the night before so that's all I did, then she massaged me for a while. After that, I took her to a very nice restaurant nearby La Vaquera. We ordered steaks and beer, and she got something to go for home, and the total was probably around 900 k. She then took a cab home for which I paid about 20 k in transferencia since I was pretty much out of cash now.
In the meantime, the tinder girl from the first day messaged me and asked if I wanted to go to bar / lounge this evening. I said sure, and she said she'the come pick me up with the taxi guy at around 11 pm. She comes, and is looking awesome, and we go to a place called Green Martini. Again this is a great bar / lounge and wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while inside here. We dance, drink and eventually make out as well, so I'm feeling pretty good. We leave at like 3 am, and she invites herself to come upstairs and continue drinking, so I said of course. Once upstairs, wasn't a lot of drinking, but make out and then head to the bed to continue further. She was super awesome (some pics attached without her face). Also wasn't too hard to get bareback sex with her.
4TH DAY (Thursday).
Was still with the tinder girl in the morning, so we decided to head to the beach (Playa Parguito). Was about a half hour drive. Stayed there for a few hours and drank, ate, got massages, and probably paid about 1 million bolivares (about 15 $). She got dropped off at her house on her way home, but we made plans to go to another club at night. I go home and take a nap to recover.
She comes picks me up at like 1030 pm, and we are going to Bora Bora its Thursday, and that's ladies night, where all women drink for free! Place was huge and packed by 12, and this was more like a true nightclub. She had a couple of friends with her and I was dancing with all of them (reggaeton grinding kinda dance). I ordered a bottle of vodka and some food, and was about 5-6 of us, 1 other guy and the rest girls. After a while, they said this other place is better, and we should go there. So we take a cab to Loft, which was smaller, but stays open till about 5-6 am. Again got bottles / cokes / red bulls / juices and went to VIP. Left at about 6 am, and my bill was probably 3-4 million (40-50 $) for the both places. At the end, the tinder girl said she had university at 9 am, and had to go home, so I went and slept, which wasn't too bad as I had a big day the next day.
5TH Day (Friday).
Today was the day that my Seeking Arrangement girl was coming from Cumana, about 3 hours or so away in a ferry. She was bringing a friend as she didn't want to travel alone, and I was fine with that. She never brought up money or anything, so I didn't know what to expect. I did pay for her ferry ride, which about 400 k, and also told her to bring some cash. She said she found someone who could give 1 million bolivares in cash for 1. 32 million. I agreed to that, since I had pretty much no cash. She would be here by around 11 pm at night, so I had a full day to myself.
1st, I wanted to get some more money in my account, so I asked the tinder girl if she knew anyone who could accept PayPal and then transfer to the account. She found someone who could give 95 k per dollar (DolarToday rate was about 105 k), so I accepted and sent over 100 $ to get 9.5 million BVF. 2nd, I messaged that girl I met on the street outside of Haren, as she said she could give me 1.35 million BVF cash for $20, and in big bills, so I definitely wanted that. She came over to do the exchange and actually gave me a nice massage too. I didn't want to do anything else with her as I wasn't attracted to her at all.
After getting all this cash situation out of the way, I called the Haren girl again (Kendra). She came by at about 3 pm and looked better than before. We hung out at the pool for a bit, then went back to the apartment. Good DFK, foreplay, and eventually bareback sex again. One of the better sessions I have had. I transferred her 500 k, and she was happy about that. We took a cab, I went to the mall, and she back to her place.
One of the girls at the Bora Bora club, who was with the tinder girl messaged me and asked if I wanted to come to the mall and meet up, since she worked there, and was free till 7 pm. So I said sure, and met up with her and had a nice pizza meal. She was down to meet up later after work, but I told her I that probably wasn't going to be possible.
While waiting for the SA girls to come, I went to another club near my place, 1900. It was also packed, but I was solo and didn't want to hit on any girls that might be taken etc. , so just had a few drinks and then went back. My taxi guy went to pick up the 2 girls from the ferry port, so he gave me a heads-up when they were about 15 min away. The SA girl (24 years old) was very nice and her friend average. She gave me the 1 million in cash as soon as she unpacked. I told them to change, and then headed to Loft again, the same place as the night before. Another night of drinking and dancing, and we head home at about 5 am. The friend sleeps on the couch, and the other with me, and we were pretty drunk but did end up having sex before passing out.
6TH DAY (Saturday).
I was pretty burnt out with late nights and excessive drinking, so wanted to have a relaxed beach day again with these 2. Didn't do much, went to the mall and ate etc. , they were really happy that I was spoiling them, even though it was costing me practically nothing. I did want to get some more money so asked them if they knew of any PayPal transfer guys. (didn't want to ask original tinder girl because she was kinda pissed I was blowing her off). They did say that someone would take cash instead, and I could pay them and they would take it back to Cumana. So got $100 changed for 95 k again (DolarToday rate was still about 105 k). The plan was to go out at night again, but all of us were tired, and just decided to stay home and drink, and chat. Learned a lot about Venezuela in the convo with these 2. One was a doctor, and the other a psychologist, so they were pretty smart.
7TH DAY (Sunday).
Not much happened this day, my flight was at 3 pm, their ferry was at 5 pm. My taxi guy would drop the both of us. Did some shopping for jerseys for me, and got them some Vodka and Cacique and chocolates that made them super happy. I had about 8 million left in my account, so I told the SA girl, I'll give her 4 million, and that made her really happy. The other 4 million I left for the tinder girl, for helping me with her dad's card. I met the tinder girl at the airport to drop of the card and thank her.
So there you go, my trip was awesome. I was expecting it to be way more dangerous than it was (it might still be, and I got lucky with doing what I did). I knew money would be an issue, and it definitely was, but I was able to overcome that. I knew it would be only Spanish there, and it was, don't think I spoke any English in the week I was there.
I do have more contacts now, of people willing to lend me their debit card, taxi guys, girls, bartenders etc. And will definably go again soon, and have a better idea what to expect.
Let me know if anyone has any questions or wants any contact info in Porlamar / Margarita.Great report Jasoonnn, but how did you get to Porlamar? It seems pretty impossible these days to book on line a domestic flight in Venezuela.
Great report Jasoonnn, but how did you get to Porlamar? It seems pretty impossible these days to book on line a domestic flight in Venezuela.I had first booked a flight from Toronto to Bogota. Then called up Aviórair and got a Bogotoa-Porlamar flight with a stopover in Valencia. It was about 350 $. I had booked about 3 weeks in advance so there were some options available for me. Other options might be to get a flight to Barcelona and take a ferry to Margarita.
Jason, thanks for this post. You've earned my admiration. I was wondering what your nationality is? I'm from the USA and wondering if you were as well and what your experience might have been like getting a visa for Venezuela. The USA and Venezuela aren't on the best of terms right now.
Had been reading this forum and decided I'd like to explore Venezuela. Did a lot of research so kind of knew how to prepare beforehand for money, transfers and a debit card.
My trip was from Nov 27 till Dec 3. (Monday to Sunday). I'm 35, and my Spanish is pretty good and have been to Colombia 3 times, and other Latin places a few times too, so I thought I'd take the next step.
Did a pre-search on tinder and some on Seeking arrangement and matched with a bunch in the Puerto la Cruz and Barcelona area. Also had a few in Isla margarita but not that many. One that did match told me she would help me with her dad's debit card and try and arrange for some cash. It turned out she would be out of town the week I was there so she gave me her sisters number who was also super-hot but I didn't expect to have relations with her (more on that later).\
Jason, thanks for this post. You've earned my admiration. I was wondering what your nationality is? I'm from the USA and wondering if you were as well and what your experience might have been like getting a visa for Venezuela. The USA and Venezuela aren't on the best of terms right now.Thanks Kazeu. I'm Canadian so didn't need a visa. I am allowed 90 days from the day of landing. I can't really comment on US visas and didn't see or meet any Americans while I was there.
In the General thread there is some talk about US visas so maybe that might help.
Thanks Kazeu. I'm Canadian so didn't need a visa. I am allowed 90 days from the day of landing. I can't really comment on US visas and didn't see or meet any Americans while I was there.
In the General thread there is some talk about US visas so maybe that might help.You were lucky Jasoonnn! After this diplomatic row between Canada and Vzla with the reciprocal expulsion of ambassadors, canadians most probably will soon need a visa for Vzla.
You were lucky Jasoonnn! After this diplomatic row between Canada and Vzla with the reciprocal expulsion of ambassadors, canadians most probably will soon need a visa for Vzla.I just saw that as well. Hope they resolve it without Visa restrictions, was looking forward to going back to Vzla soon.
I just saw that as well. Hope they resolve it without Visa restrictions, was looking forward to going back to Vzla soon.I understand you very well, Jasoonnn, after the great week you spent in Porlamar.
Apparently there is a canadian living there who owns a hotel and helps his guests. Sent an e-mail a few months ago but never got any reply. I would like to go there myself, but to get from Europe to IsMargarita is a nightmare and to be frank I do not trust Avior: 35 year old planes, lack of spare parts, cancelled flights a. S. o.
As far as Conviasa is concerned, forget about buying a ticket on line. And at their counters either!
I once did Caracas-Puerto la Cruz by road and then crossed by ferry to Margarita. Everything was perfect but that was a looong time ago, in 1998.
I understand you very well, Jasoonnn, after the great week you spent in Porlamar.
Apparently there is a canadian living there who owns a hotel and helps his guests. Sent an e-mail a few months ago but never got any reply. I would like to go there myself, but to get from Europe to IsMargarita is a nightmare and to be frank I do not trust Avior: 35 year old planes, lack of spare parts, cancelled flights a. S. o.
As far as Conviasa is concerned, forget about buying a ticket on line. And at their counters either!
I once did Caracas-Puerto la Cruz by road and then crossed by ferry to Margarita. Everything was perfect but that was a looong time ago, in 1998.I know Ferries are an option from Puerto la Cruz or Cumana, so maybe try and get a flight until there.
This is the link for Conferry, with their updated schedules: https://twitter.com/lanuevaconferry?lang=en.
Just got back from Margarita again. This time I went with a friend, and was even better. To sum up quickly:.
- Still a GREAT place to visit.
- Still pretty safe place, but of course be vigilant. We always had a couple of locals with us at night, and walked around a bit too. But still no chains / watches / rings etc, to be safe.
- Still not a lot of BVF cash, so NEED a bank card to be able to do anything.
- On the last day I was able to change the dollar for 254 each. The best rate is for 100's and 50's, then goes lower for the 20's and 10's. I was able to get 100.000 bvf for a dollar bill from some bouncers or bathroom stall guys.
- I took a lot of smaller USD bills this time for tips, or for cabs that didn't take transferencia.
- Made some guy friends, who got some of his university girl friends to come party with us at the house and at a couple of the clubs. A night out with 3 bottles, food and drinks + "green and white" for about 8 people cost us about 100 $ at the top club (bora bora).
- One of the male friends spoke English, so my friend (who didn't speak any Spanish) hired him for 500.000 per day to help him translate when he was with girls.
- Had a taxi guy with us when we needed him for about $5 a day (could have negotiated cheaper but he was an awesome guy and had good connections to keep us safe).
- Only had the chance to get one Pro, and I think it was 5. 000.000 ($25) to take out 2 of them from (one for my friend) Mediterranean.
- Most of the other lucky ladies were contacts I had from earlier, or met at clubs, or through guy friends there.
- I paid (a lot) to get a RIF, and was able to open my own bank account now. This helps as I'm looking to go there more often as well as do some business there.
- We had a big lunch with 8 people at a great resto by the water (El Fondeadero), with a mix of steak / pasta / chicken / fish, plus wine, beers, juice etc, and the total came out to under 5. 000.000 ($20).
That is all I can remember for now, but Margarita is a great place. Can't get this type of value for money anywhere in this world that I can think of, at least not in the western hemisphere.
Any questions, fire away!
Just got back from Margarita again. This time I went with a friend, and was even better. To sum up quickly:.
- Still a GREAT place to visit.
- Still pretty safe place, but of course be vigilant. We always had a couple of locals with us at night, and walked around a bit too. But still no chains / watches / rings etc, to be safe.
- Still not a lot of BVF cash, so NEED a bank card to be able to do anything.
- On the last day I was able to change the dollar for 254 each. The best rate is for 100's and 50's, then goes lower for the 20's and 10's. I was able to get 100.000 bvf for a dollar bill from some bouncers or bathroom stall guys.
- I took a lot of smaller USD bills this time for tips, or for cabs that didn't take transferencia.
- Made some guy friends, who got some of his university girl friends to come party with us at the house and at a couple of the clubs. A night out with 3 bottles, food and drinks + "green and white" for about 8 people cost us about 100 $ at the top club (bora bora).
- One of the male friends spoke English, so my friend (who didn't speak any Spanish) hired him for 500.000 per day to help him translate when he was with girls.
- Had a taxi guy with us when we needed him for about $5 a day (could have negotiated cheaper but he was an awesome guy and had good connections to keep us safe).
- Only had the chance to get one Pro, and I think it was 5. 000.000 ($25) to take out 2 of them from (one for my friend) Mediterranean.
- Most of the other lucky ladies were contacts I had from earlier, or met at clubs, or through guy friends there.
- I paid (a lot) to get a RIF, and was able to open my own bank account now. This helps as I'm looking to go there more often as well as do some business there.
- We had a big lunch with 8 people at a great resto by the water (El Fondeadero), with a mix of steak / pasta / chicken / fish, plus wine, beers, juice etc, and the total came out to under 5. 000.000 ($20).
That is all I can remember for now, but Margarita is a great place. Can't get this type of value for money anywhere in this world that I can think of, at least not in the western hemisphere.
Any questions, fire away!Hi Jasoonnn,
Assuming you live in Canada and that Margarita is not around the corner, it has to be a fantastic place for cheap pro's and non pro's mongering. It is your 2nd time there in less than a month...
Because I want to go there myself, the sooner the better, a few questions:
1. How did you get there? If flying, where did you buy the ticket and for which airline? Still Avior?
2. Where did you stay this time? Hotel? Air bnb?
3. How to get around the shortage of cash? How much does a RIF cost?
4. Are you willing to share your contacts - speak fluent spanish - with fellow mongers?
5. Any business opportunities, like buying a house?
Looking forward to your reply, THANKS!
Hi Jasoonnn,
Assuming you live in Canada and that Margarita is not around the corner, it has to be a fantastic place for cheap pro's and non pro's mongering. It is your 2nd time there in less than a month...
Because I want to go there myself, the sooner the better, a few questions:
1. How did you get there? If flying, where did you buy the ticket and for which airline? Still Avior?
2. Where did you stay this time? Hotel? Air bnb?
3. How to get around the shortage of cash? How much does a RIF cost?
4. Are you willing to share your contacts - speak fluent spanish - with fellow mongers?
5. Any business opportunities, like buying a house?
Looking forward to your reply, THANKS!Hi Tavares,
Yes, I am in Canada, so travel is a bit long, specially because Porlamar doesn't have any internationl flights (not that I'm aware of).
Here are the answers to your questions:
1. I used Avior to get into Venezuela. They have international stops of Miami, Panama, Bogota and Lima. So I flew to Panama from Canada, and took avior from there on. So it was Canada. Panama. Valencia, then Porlamar. I believe Copa Air also does PTY to Caracas, so that is another option too. Some of the other smaller Venezuelan airlines also go around that area, but I didn't check up on that.
2. I stayed at the same place as before, but paid less as I paid them in Bolivares, and not thru Airbnb. Hotels are also available for around 5 $ a day.
3. I didn't really need much cash, as I used bank card or transfers to pay for everything. If you need cash, you pay about double the price for it. Example, you pay 200.000 in transfer to get a 100.000 bill. A RIF is illegal to get for foreigners on tourist visas, so had to grease some palms to get it. If you want to know the details, you can PM me.
4. Sure PM for contact deails.
5. I wouldn't look at houses, but apartments with security are about 35 k - 60 k (USD) depending on location and size etc.
You can see all around how Veneluela was a deeply class-ridden society. You see pockets of shining glory. Huge opulent hotels, gated communities of marine-side detahed houses with privately owned yachts, decadent shopping malls selling designers goods at prices way above neightbouring countries. And all surrounded by squalour. Flithy neighbourhoods with broken pavement and roads, taxis with cracked windscreens and wornout seats, with downtrodden people trying to grind out an existence.
This is a Hellscape. A dystopian future for us all under capitalism, that funnels all cash to the top, the 1%, and the exploitation of an ever widening pool of underclasses. This is not caused by socialism. It is caused by rampant authoritarian capitalism. The type we can see taking over the entire world.
So I came to have a look. To play my small part in trying to support the local economy to recover. But it is hard work. The banking system is completely isolated from the international financial system. This means it is not possible to use the ATMs to withdraw cash, there are no foriegn exchange bureaus, no ready access to cash that nearly all of us take for granted. The only mechanisms are to send money via Western Union (but they won't allow you to use foreign ID to accept the cash, you need to send to a Venezuelan that you trust. And in any case its super expensive), or to make a foreign exchange swap with a local that can give you dollars inside the country in exchange for a bank depsoit to their USD bank in the US somewhere (again, quite a lot of trust required).
The people are friendly, and tourists are certainly a novelty at this stage, but if you want to visit, my advice is to bring big bags of cash. USD only. You can use bank cards to pay for goods in hotels, big supermarkets, and higher quality restaurants, but you need cash for street action and day to day living. Venezuela is a very cash based society, and you need cash to access it. For ths reason, I will have to leave earlier than I had hoped, and return once the USA-led crippling financial sanctions ease.
You can see all around how Veneluela was a deeply class-ridden society. You see pockets of shining glory. Huge opulent hotels, gated communities of marine-side detahed houses with privately owned yachts, decadent shopping malls selling designers goods at prices way above neightbouring countries. And all surrounded by squalour. Flithy neighbourhoods with broken pavement and roads, taxis with cracked windscreens and wornout seats, with downtrodden people trying to grind out an existence.
This is a Hellscape. A dystopian future for us all under capitalism, that funnels all cash to the top, the 1%, and the exploitation of an ever widening pool of underclasses. This is not caused by socialism. It is caused by rampant authoritarian capitalism. The type we can see taking over the entire world.
So I came to have a look. To play my small part in trying to support the local economy to recover. But it is hard work. The banking system is completely isolated from the international financial system. This means it is not possible to use the ATMs to withdraw cash, there are no foriegn exchange bureaus, no ready access to cash that nearly all of us take for granted. The only mechanisms are to send money via Western Union (but they won't allow you to use foreign ID to accept the cash, you need to send to a Venezuelan that you trust. And in any case its super expensive), or to make a foreign exchange swap with a local that can give you dollars inside the country in exchange for a bank depsoit to their USD bank in the US somewhere (again, quite a lot of trust required).
The people are friendly, and tourists are certainly a novelty at this stage, but if you want to visit, my advice is to bring big bags of cash. USD only. You can use bank cards to pay for goods in hotels, big supermarkets, and higher quality restaurants, but you need cash for street action and day to day living. Venezuela is a very cash based society, and you need cash to access it. For ths reason, I will have to leave earlier than I had hoped, and return once the USA-led crippling financial sanctions ease.I don't like going political, but I must say this: while it is true that what do we have here in Venezuela is not textbook socialism, historically the same goes to every nation that attempts socialsim. Even those few that don't fail (IE: Vietnam), they only do so by straying far from what the socialist doctrine says. So, if Socialism is tried again and again and it never works as intended, there must be a point where people have to agree that it simply won't work.
Another thing, what you say about the use of cash (and by cash = USD, nobody gives a damn about bolivares) is true, I'd be wary of using a credit card anywhere, even in high end places. OK, paying your stay in a five star hotel is probably safe, but even a luxury restaurant in the nicer parts of Caracas, (like Las Mercerdes or La Castellana) the people serving you are as downtrodden and desperate as those you see selling stuff in the streets, and the temptation of pulling a "chanchullo" on a guy that they perceive as rich would be too great.
straying far from what the socialist doctrine says. So, if Socialism is tried again and again and it never works as intended, there must be a point where people have to agree that it simply won't work.
be wary of using a credit card anywhere,.But its the failures of capitalism that I see here. The disgusting segregation of the country in to haves and have nots. The crazy inequality and injustice that there must have been here.
I don't have any option but to pay bills by card bcos I can't get cash. So far the people are very friendly and helpful in the limited roles that they can play. I have not seen any desperation. Just people getting along w their simple lives.
But its the failures of capitalism that I see here. The disgusting segregation of the country in to haves and have nots. The crazy inequality and injustice that there must have been here.Unfortunately, I found Venezuela to be a very racist place as well. I have traveled extensively throughout Latin America, and Venezuela was the absolute worst for this kind of thing based on my personal experiences. Lots of inequality and injustice, lots of arrogance among the rich, and lots of racism. Well, I bet they aren't feeling so arrogant anymore are they?
I have not seen any desperation. We may put a smile and be genuinely friendly, but I assure you that every person working retail, working behind a counter or serving at a restaurant has all sorts of crippling economic troubles at home. I don't want to dismiss the struggles of the working class from any first world nations because obviously everybody has problems weighing on their shoulders, but here in Venezuela that funny waiter at a high end steak house that makes the customers feel like his best friends probably has "how the hell I am going to feed my family tomorrow" in his mind. This is unavoidable in a country where the miniimum wage is not even $1 a day.
RamDavidson84
07-14-22, 16:59
We may put a smile and be genuinely friendly, but I assure you that every person working retail, working behind a counter or serving at a restaurant has all sorts of crippling economic troubles at home. I don't want to dismiss the struggles of the working class from any first world nations because obviously everybody has problems weighing on their shoulders, but here in Venezuela that funny waiter at a high end steak house that makes the customers feel like his best friends probably has "how the hell I am going to feed my family tomorrow" in his mind. This is unavoidable in a country where the miniimum wage is not even $1 a day.Just a curious question which I am genuinely asking. Why doesn't Venezuela and Cuba just adopt capitalism and free trade with the rest of the world? It's obviously horrific trying to run the country according to their current policy. From my perspective, I am shocked the people haven't rebelled and taken Maduro and his regime out of power, same thing with Castro in Cuba. What are they trying to accomplish exactly? It's so tragic to see both nation's struggle and I am not saying I totally agree with the embargo's placed on them by the USA, but I also truly believe in freedom for people and a free market to pursue your dreams and let those who are hungry for more in life make the most of themselves in this world. I could never support a government which keeps its' people from even leaving the country because their government is so ineffective at providing opportunity for its people.
A huge problem I have seen across Latin America is hugely talented, smart, capable individuals just working dead end severely low paying jobs because there is a massive lack of opportunity in their countries. Really sad to see. And on the other end, for the most part they seem happy, content, and healthy and are usually a pleasure to interact with.
Well, I do recall that I fucked this blue-eyed, blonde Venezolana years ago in Costa Rica (she claimed to be from Isla Margarita). I remember that as I looked down at her smiling face and twinkling blue eyes I "nutted" far sooner than I otherwise would have liked to LOL!
A huge problem I have seen across Latin America is hugely talented, smart, capable individuals just working dead end severely low paying jobs because there is a massive lack of opportunity in their countries.Man, that hits so close, it actually hurts.
And through these years there have been several attempts to get rid of the government. The first time was during the events in 2002-2003, then the "guarimbas" of 2015 and 2017, and finally the big push behind Juan Guaido in 2019. There are several reasons why all of those failed so badly, but the chief two are: A) Chavez consolidated his power by making the military part of the corrupt government and their shady deals, thus making it impossible for them to rebel because by doing so they would be losing a good business. That process wasn't entirely done in 2002, which is why the coup was able to remove Chavez from power for a few hours, but the large factions within the military that were already pledged to be part of the "chanchullo" quickly reverted it. And B) the fact that the political opposition is hugely inept, their leaders either a bunch of clowns that have no idea of what they are doing, or worse, politicians that have established "being the opposition" as their business and have zero intention to actually change the status quo.
Is it still possible to get laid easily on this beautiful island? I few years ago I banged a drop dead gorgeous Venezuelan chick I met on Calle Conde in Santo Domingo, RD. 21 years old and face of an angel and an unbelievable busty, perfect body. Easily in the Top 5 in my All-Time 600+ conquests. Anyway she told me about this beautiful island and invited me to go there but I never did fearful of Venezuela in general.
Is it still possible to get laid easily... but I never did fearful of Venezuela in general.Sure,. It is. But you need to bring bags of cash -USD. There are online websites where you can get chicas domicilio.
No need to be fearful. They are just people, same as anywhere else.
Just a curious question which I am genuinely asking. Why doesn't Venezuela and Cuba just adopt capitalism and free trade with the rest of the world? It's obviously horrific trying to run the country according to their current policy. From my perspective, I am shocked the people haven't rebelled and taken Maduro and his regime out of power, same thing with Castro in Cuba. What are they trying to accomplish exactly? It's so tragic to see both nation's struggle and I am not saying I totally agree with the embargo's placed on them by the USA, but I also truly believe in freedom for people and a free market to pursue your dreams and let those who are hungry for more in life make the most of themselves in this world.So you think that both Cuba and Venezuela should pull their pants down, bend down on their knees and stick their asses in the air, and take it up the arse from Uncle Sam? Is that what you would do, Ram? The problem is that these are both already victims of imperialism, of capitalism. Socialism came along as a solution to correct the injustices of these two countries. The people were already tired of capitalism. Capitalism does not allow for more winners; it needs losers. Just take a look around you at the Caribbean, at Haiti, south america, Asia, Africa. These are the victims. This is what Cuba and Venezuela would be, its what they were. Cuba would be Haiti, venezuela would be saudi or yemen. Do you think there was ever a minimum wage under capitalist venezuela? Why not, if it was so "successful"? Venzla had horrendous poverty and illiteracy before chavez. Why?
And you cannot tie authoritarianism to socialism either. Its not part of the left-right vector. Thats the vertical liberty vector. Take a look at saudi or middle east for examples.
We now see a huge step to the left across all south america. Bcos the people want justice. They are tired of being victims of the rich.
So you think that both Cuba and Venezuela should pull their pants down, bend down on their knees and stick their asses in the air, and take it up the arse from Uncle Sam? Is that what you would do, Ram? The problem is that these are both already victims of imperialism, of capitalism. Socialism came along as a solution to correct the injustices of these two countries. The people were already tired of capitalism. Capitalism does not allow for more winners; it needs losers. Just take a look around you at the Caribbean, at Haiti, south america, Asia, Africa. These are the victims. This is what Cuba and Venezuela would be, its what they were. Cuba would be Haiti, venezuela would be saudi or yemen. Do you think there was ever a minimum wage under capitalist venezuela? Why not, if it was so "successful"? Venzla had horrendous poverty and illiteracy before chavez. Why?
And you cannot tie authoritarianism to socialism either. Its not part of the left-right vector. Thats the vertical liberty vector. Take a look at saudi or middle east for examples.
We now see a huge step to the left across all south america. Bcos the people want justice. They are tired of being victims of the rich.Man, while once again I do agree with the sentiment of what you are saying, the practical reality of what Chavez and Maduro did is VERY different. I mean, yes before Chavez we were the working girls of the US of A. And now, we get assraped by the chinese and the russians. Is that any better? Also, I must correct you, Venezuela absolutely had a minimum wage before Chavez. In fact it was Chavez's nemesis, Carlos Andres Perez, who decreed in 1974 the "Salario Minimo Naciional", which going by the exchange rate of that era it was the equivalent of $100 a month.
Man, while once again I do agree with the sentiment of what you are saying, the practical reality of what Chavez and Maduro did is VERY different. I mean, yes before Chavez we were the working girls of the US of A. And now, we get assraped by the chinese and the russians. Is that any better? Also, I must correct you, Venezuela absolutely had a minimum wage before Chavez. In fact it was Chavez's nemesis, Carlos Andres Perez, who decreed in 1974 the "Salario Minimo Naciional", which going by the exchange rate of that era it was the equivalent of $100 a month.Yes, you are correct, Vnzla had a minimum wage. But not a minimum wage that was practical / useful. The rate you mention was 450 be in 1974, which was worrth just ove USD 100 at that time. But by 1996 (more than 20 years later), it was worht USD 76 per month. Pathetic, even by that period. So that's why the people rejected the rich establishment and chose a leader for the people. BY 2000 (after Chavez was elected0 the minimum wage was up over USD 400 per month.
https://books.google.co.ve/books?id=z9OKMvILDcIC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=chavez+increase+minimum+wage+1990s&source=bl&ots=cmIkBtY-v6&sig=ACfU3U07ab9pBaZ30ST734T8I11xQ1gtOg&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnuZ_yg__4AhUAoWoFHYzMBnQQ6AF6BAhZEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false
GeneHickman
07-17-22, 06:11
Yes, you are correct, Vnzla had a minimum wage. But not a minimum wage that was practical / useful. The rate you mention was 450 be in 1974, which was worrth just ove USD 100 at that time. But by 1996 (more than 20 years later), it was worht USD 76 per month. Pathetic, even by that period. So that's why the people rejected the rich establishment and chose a leader for the people. BY 2000 (after Chavez was elected0 the minimum wage was up over USD 400 per month.
https://books.google.co.ve/books?id=z9OKMvILDcIC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=chavez+increase+minimum+wage+1990s&source=bl&ots=cmIkBtY-v6&sig=ACfU3U07ab9pBaZ30ST734T8I11xQ1gtOg&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnuZ_yg__4AhUAoWoFHYzMBnQQ6AF6BAhZEAM#v=onepage&q&f=falseThis just goes to prove that you can't teach a leftist ideologue even common sense. Yes Chavez made it $400, but what is it now? And what is the unemployment rate? This thinking is akin to feasting on the golden goose for a year or two and then starving like an idiot. It's frankly a hideous ideology borne out of envy. The average Venezuelan was better of in 1998 than today. Sounds to me like they were better off being the "victims of capitalism" that whatever is this shit the leftists are serving up.
Elvis 2008
07-17-22, 08:05
Just a curious question which I am genuinely asking. Why doesn't Venezuela and Cuba just adopt capitalism and free trade with the rest of the world?With Venezuela, it is because they are a bunch of fucking thieves and no one will have anything to do with them. For all the bashing of the USA and Europe, the corrupt Venezuelans could not even work things out with the Chinese: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-china-food/.
My experience with Venezuela was through their national phone company. GTE bought by Verizon put in all the wiring and towers in Venezuela. They moved Venezuelan communication into the 21st century, and they made money. When I bought shares, the company was 75% publicly traded and 25% owned by Verizon. It was in Venezuela's constitution that publicly traded companies pay 50% of profits out in the form of dividends but when I went to the share holder meeting, the Venezuelan share holders were furious that ANY money was being given to Verizon. They were actively telling management to screw the law and fuck over Verizon.
The company IMO was way undervalued. They had like $6 a share in cash and were making $4 a share and giving out $2 a share in dividends, and it was selling at $20. Given its numbers and growth, it should have been $100. The reason it was $20 was Chavez and fear of nationalization and of course, that is what he did. He bought the company for $17 a share. In essence, if the company just kept making the same money it did, he would get the thing for free in 3 years, $12 in earnings and $6 in cash. It was pure theft and of course, the company's #1 criteria for being hired or keeping their job was not competence but loyalty to Chavez.
JustTK thinks that the capitalists shut the Venezuelans out of the world currency markets. It was the other way around. Venezuela had an official rate of 3 Bolivars per dollar while the black market rate was way higher than that by factors as high as 10. So anyone could get their paycheck, convert their money at an exchange to dollars, sell them on the black market and make 10 X your money. The answer to people doing this was limiting exchanges and ATM conversions.
The same happened with gasoline. In Venezuela, gas costs like 30 cents a gallon so trucks fitted themselves with huge tanks, filled up in Venezuela, and then sold gasoline in Colombia. The answer was again to limit gasoline sales but in both cases you can see that you could potentially pay people off for more dollars or gasoline. Either of these practices were far more lucrative than most Venezuelan jobs.
The idea with buying the Venezuelan telephone company was that all that money would be saved for Venezuelans. At least that is what Chavez said, yet for all Chavez's talk and bashing the USA and the rich, the daughters of Hugo Chavez embezzled billions of daughters out of the country and one of them lived in Miami. But then again that is what I expect from a leader of Venezuela.
Venezuela has or had the largest oil reserves in the world but it was always be a poor country. You cannot accumulate wealth when you do not have strong property rights, and there are none in Venezuela. Stealing and lying are part of their culture, and it is going to take generations for those attitudes to die.
This just goes to prove that you can't teach a leftist ideologue even common sense.Absolutely not. I do not support what Maduro has done at all. A leftist does not blindly support all left wing leaders, in the same way as right wingers don't support every right wing nut job leader. That is fallacious reasoning. But it must also be said that Maduro's hands are firmly tied by the US-led sanctions that force Venezuelans back in to extreme poverty. Thank you Uncle Sam, for you kind capitalist benevolence.
Going back to the first implemtation of the minimum wage in Venezuela in 1974, It was Perez who did it. It was his first term in office. One of the most radical aspects of Pérez's program for government was the notion that petroleum oil was a tool for developing countries like Venezuela to attain first world status and usher a fairer, more equitable international order. Drastic increases in petroleum prices led to an economic bonanza for the country just as Pérez started his term. His policies, including the nationalization of the iron and petroleum industries, investment in large state-owned industrial projects for the production of aluminium and hydroelectric energy, infrastructure improvements and the funding of social welfare and scholarship programmes, were extremely ambitious and involved massive government spending, to the tune of almost $53 billion. His measures to protect the environment and foster sustainable development earned the Earth Care award in 1975, the first time a Latin American leader had received this recognition. The party he represented was Democratic Action. A left wing party too. And nationalising key industries is certainly a left wing policy. So Chavez was not the first left wing president. During Perez's second time in office he was fired for embezzlement.
During Perez's second time in office he was fired for embezzlement.I am not a fan of CAP (good intentions aside, a lot of what he did in his first term eventually threw the nation down a downwards spiral from which me never recovered), but what happened to him with that trial was bullshit, nobpdy involved truly had Venezuela's best interests in mind and it was 100% a political execution. Basically, it was an act of revenge of Rafael Caldera (probably the most sinister figure in modern venezuelan politics) who hated Perez's guts. The guy saw the opportunity when it was clear that public support for Perez disappeared due to his economic reforms, made deals with the enemies Perez had within Accion Democratica to ensure the party would disown him, and threw the Attorney General at him.
Please don't judge a people by the few you have interacted with. While I agree with much of your post (specifically property rights), many, if not most, Venezuelans are very good people (just like anywhere). I was engaged to a Venezuelan girl in the USA A long time ago. Upper middle class family and as nice and decent as could be. We visited her family in Caracas a few times and they were very nice, hardworking people. This was when the country was just starting to fall apart. Eventually all her family ended up selling their property / business and leaving the country. Really fucked up -- if they were out of town or out of the country, the government would not penalize people who moved into their property. They had to sell and get out. The government's attitude was more or less "if you're not occupying your property, you must be rich and poor people should be able to move in. ".
I saw so many hot-looking women there that I ended up going back as a single guy. Both Isla Margarita and Caracas.
With Venezuela, it is because they are a bunch of fucking thieves and no one will have anything to do with them. For all the bashing of the USA and Europe, the corrupt Venezuelans could not even work things out with the Chinese: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-china-food/.
The idea with buying the Venezuelan telephone company was that all that money would be saved for Venezuelans. At least that is what Chavez said, yet for all Chavez's talk and bashing the USA and the rich, the daughters of Hugo Chavez embezzled billions of daughters out of the country and one of them lived in Miami. But then again that is what I expect from a leader of Venezuela.
Venezuela has or had the largest oil reserves in the world but it was always be a poor country. You cannot accumulate wealth when you do not have strong property rights, and there are none in Venezuela. Stealing and lying are part of their culture, and it is going to take generations for those attitudes to die.
Elvis 2008
07-17-22, 19:46
Really fucked up -- if they were out of town or out of the country, the government would not penalize people who moved into their property. They had to sell and get out. The government's attitude was more or less "if you're not occupying your property, you must be rich and poor people should be able to move in. ".Combo, that is my point. Did anybody say that is wrong or were the people waiting to cash in on that government attitude? When I was at the shareholder meeting, there was no one who was standing up for what the law said. They were all looking to cash in on breaking the law. This was not one person but hundreds who were sitting there in this shareholder meeting.
And the attitude in Venezuela is we are a rich country and the reason we are poor is we have been stolen from and we are going to steal back. That is the culture, and you just described it like I did.
I saw so many hot-looking women there that I ended up going back as a single guy. Both Isla Margarita and Caracas.The prettiest French women I have seen were in Montreal, the prettiest Iranian women I saw were in California, and the prettiest Venezuelan women I have seen were in Colombia and Mexico. I did not see much in Caracas and did not recall seeing much when I was near the coast but maybe the time was wrong. The women know their way around the bed, and there is no doubt Venezuela is a country with some bonafide 10's.
I do really hope that nation gets its shit together and they pull their heads out of the ass. I really do. It has so much potential and on an individual basis I like a lot of Venezuelans too. It is just their culture is shit.
I do really hope that nation gets its shit together and they pull their heads out of the ass. I really do. It has so much potential and on an individual basis I like a lot of Venezuelans too. It is just their culture is shit.As far as I can tell, the country has always been fucked up. Whether it was the Spanish colonialists, the USA, the international petrco-companies, the ruling elites, the government, the one constant is that the poor people of Venezulela have been consistently fkd by everyone. And these days, that means literally too.
One cannot blame this on scoialism, or Chavez, or Maduro bcos they inherited a totally fkd up situation. You might not like their policies, but it was no better before for the majority. Runaway inflation has existed since 1983 (Chevez came in 1999) and the currency has lost value against the USD 500 fold since then. Chavez got it under control for a while in the 2000's, but it span out of control again by 2012. The socialist governments have introduced minimum wage, re-set its value, nationalised various primary industries, reduced poverty, extreme poverty, and improved illiteracy. They didn't get everything right. Maduro seems to have a particular poor record. Lack of regard to the law. Has always been the case in the ruling classes in Venezuela, as it has in most countries. How do you think they got rich in the first place? - by saying "hey, I got here first (which they didn't), this is mine, get the FK out!
...One cannot blame this on scoialism, or Chavez, or Maduro bcos they inherited a totally fkd up situation. ...I am surprised you are so forgiving.
I have to say this: I am venezuelan, and I've lived in Venezuela for all my life. I did vote for Chavez in my 1998, and ever since the quality of my life has degraded substantially almost every year, I have endured loss and disease and hunger all while witnessing my country crumbling into ruins. I deeply regret giving him my vote because I absolutely blame him for what has happened in this country in the past two decades. Chavez engulfed all the branches of government and consolidated all power around himself, so there is LITERALLY nobody else to blame. He had all the power to do as he pleased, and had the immense luck of having high oil prices so cash was plentiful, and squandered it all in populist policies that only bleed this nation dry and left nothing standing for the future. Yes, he had a couple of successes (which as I said before, didn't last), but claiming that our current situation (including having Maduro as our president, as he has handpicked by Chavez) is not his direct responsability, is disingenuous at best. JustTK, believe what you want to believe, but the reality of what I have experienced through all these years living in my home country simply doesn't match that vision. I won't say anything else on this matter, because I am starting to get pissed off and I don't want to end up saying something rude or insulting.
RamDavidson84
07-19-22, 00:07
As far as I can tell, the country has always been fucked up. Whether it was the Spanish colonialists, the USA, the international petrco-companies, the ruling elites, the government, the one constant is that the poor people of Venezulela have been consistently fkd by everyone. And these days, that means literally too.
One cannot blame this on socialism, or Chavez, or Maduro bcos they inherited a totally fkd up situation. You might not like their policies, but it was no better before for the majority. Runaway inflation has existed since 1983 (Chevez came in 1999) and the currency has lost value against the USD 500 fold since then. Chavez got it under control for a while in the 2000's, but it span out of control again by 2012. The socialist governments have introduced minimum wage, re-set its value, nationalised various primary industries, reduced poverty, extreme poverty, and improved illiteracy. They didn't get everything right. Maduro seems to have a particular poor record. Lack of regard to the law. Has always been the case in the ruling classes in Venezuela, as it has in most countries. How do you think they got rich in the first place? - by saying "hey, I got here first (which they didn't), this is mine, get the FK out!Why do you think there has to be "losers" in capitalism or a free market? I have lived my whole life in the USA, and it is fact that in the USA if you are not an asshole- 99% of the time you will have a roof over your head, food, wifi, heat / AC, and public transportation. You will have enough to be comfortable. That cannot be said in many dictatorships and countries who adopt socialism and abuse it with corruption. If there are problems between nations and one nation takes advantage of a weaker nation- that is abuse of power and human corruption. That is not due to a free market. That has nothing to do with the system of capitalism. I am not the expert on Venezuela, but I have spoken with many Latin Americans / Colombians and most blame there struggle with poverty on Maduro and his corrupt regime.
This isn't the 1500's and there is not some global conspiracy to keep Latin America poor and keep the USA and Europe rich. I just don't see how the USA even if it was trying to keep Latin America poor, logistically, how it could even do it? Like how could one nation, keep all those countries poor? It seems like another false narrative which are more prevalent than ever in today's media. I think there are many positive aspects about socialism, but you need a cohesive society where the citizens truly trust one another and share a deep cultural heritage for it to be successful. This is why I believe Norway has been successful with it, not that it's totally socialist. Socialism would never work in the USA, look how divided the nation is. Based off the history of corruption in Latin America, I don't think it would work there either. Either way, its sad what has happened to Cuba and Venezuela and I hope things change for the better for them.
I have to say this: I am venezuelan, and I've lived in Venezuela for all my life.Your entitled to express your opinion. Or keep quiet if you prefer. :) But claiming that your Venzuelan therefore you know best is disingenuous. Imagine if you were in the USA and someone told you - "I live in USA. I saw that the economy improved when Donald Trump was elected. Then the Dems cheated at the elections and he was thrown out". Is that logical?
Many folks disagree on political views. In all countries. If you blame Chavez for everything, it means you ignore the terrible situation he inherited, you ignore the negative effects of the US embargo, you also seem to blame him for not being able to predict the future for the years after he died and be able to see that Maduro would do a bad job.
They didn't get everything right. Maduro seems to have a particular poor record.
out!They got next to nothing right.
Your entitled to express your opinion. Or keep quiet if you prefer. :) ...You are critical and sharp. Do you read what he or Elvis wrote? It's like competence does not matter to you.
Penetrador
07-19-22, 12:17
Why do you think there has to be "losers" in capitalism or a free market? I have lived my whole life in the USA, and it is fact that in the USA if you are not an asshole- 99% of the time you will have a roof over your head, food, wifi, heat / AC, and public transportation. You will have enough to be comfortable. That cannot be said in many dictatorships and countries who adopt socialism and abuse it with corruption. If there are problems between nations and one nation takes advantage of a weaker nation- that is abuse of power and human corruption. That is not due to a free market. That has nothing to do with the system of capitalism. I am not the expert on Venezuela, but I have spoken with many Latin Americans / Colombians and most blame there struggle with poverty on Maduro and his corrupt regime.
This isn't the 1500's and there is not some global conspiracy to keep Latin America poor and keep the USA and Europe rich. I just don't see how the USA even if it was trying to keep Latin America poor, logistically, how it could even do it? Like how could one nation, keep all those countries poor? It seems like another false narrative which are more prevalent than ever in today's media. I think there are many positive aspects about socialism, but you need a cohesive society where the citizens truly trust one another and share a deep cultural heritage for it to be successful. This is why I believe Norway has been successful with it, not that it's totally socialist. Socialism would never work in the USA, look how divided the nation is. Based off the history of corruption in Latin America, I don't think it would work there either. Either way, its sad what has happened to Cuba and Venezuela and I hope things change for the better for them.Lets not act like the US is not a shithole going down the drain.
in the USA- 99% of the time you will have a roof over your head, food, wifi, heat / AC, and public transportation. You will have enough to be comfortable.
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That cannot be said in many dictatorships and countries who adopt socialism and abuse it with corruption.
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If there are problems between nations and one nation takes advantage of a weaker nation- that is abuse of power and human corruption. That is not due to a free market.
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I am not the expert on Venezuela, many Latin Americans / Colombians and most blame there struggle with poverty on Maduro and his corrupt regime.
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This isn't the 1500's and there is not some global conspiracy to keep Latin America poor and keep the USA and Europe rich. I just don't see how the USA even if it was trying to keep Latin America poor, logistically, how it could even do it? Like how could one nation, keep all those countries poor?
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Either way, its sad what has happened to Cuba and Venezuela and I hope things change for the better for them.The global superpower has 125.000. 000 out of 330.000. 000 living pay check to pay check. Is that an outcome that you think is successful? If so, we live in different worlds.
Any discttor that is corrupt is bad for a country. That statement applies to all economic systems, not just socialism.
Competition is supposedly baked in to the idea behind capitalism. So of course, overcoming an annhialating your competitiors is part of the capitalist process. It is part of the free market. What many people fail to heed is that in the end stages of capitalism (what we see now) is that markets become oligopolies or monopolies that are protected by government (bcos those oligarchs become so powerful that they can buy poltcal policy). Those markets become what the opposite of what was promised. Junk products, terrible service, at exhorbitant prices. Just look around you for countless examples of that.
Why would Colomibians be experts on Venezuela? As the saying goes, opinions are like AR $eholes. Everyone has one.
Imperialism is ALIVE and WELL. Watch this video link of how the USA has exploited Latinoland (apologies to those that note I have posted this link nmerous times now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwJI9axblQ).
Both Cuba and Venezuela are punished by the USA bcos they refuse to bend over from the USA. Cuba would be another Haiti if it were capialist. Haiti. That gamourous success story of capitalism.
A challenge for you Ram, name me a successful oil-rich capitalist country. Saudi? Iraq? Syria? Egypt? Libya? UAE?, Yemen? Congo? Indonesia? Malaysia? Colombia? Venezuela-before -Chavez? All these countries are successful examples of capitalism? Free-markets, free and happy people, with great standards of living? No, clearly not. They are all examples of how powerful capitalist nations exploit the weak. Install puppets to extract their resources and abuse their people.
This is the agneda you are promoting. This is what you think weak nations should sign up for, so they can be the next Haiti, Iraq or Yemen.
RamDavidson84
07-19-22, 13:38
The global superpower has 125.000. 000 out of 330.000. 000 living pay check to pay check. Is that an outcome that you think is successful? If so, we live in different worlds.
Any discttor that is corrupt is bad for a country. That statement applies to all economic systems, not just socialism.
Competition is supposedly baked in to the idea behind capitalism. So of course, overcoming an annhialating your competitiors is part of the capitalist process. It is part of the free market. What many people fail to heed is that in the end stages of capitalism (what we see now) is that markets become oligopolies or monopolies that are protected by government (bcos those oligarchs become so powerful that they can buy poltcal policy). Those markets become what the opposite of what was promised. Junk products, terrible service, at exhorbitant prices. Just look around you for countless examples of that.
Why would Colomibians be experts on Venezuela? As the saying goes, opinions are like AR $eholes. Everyone has one..Of course, just my opinion. I truly feel that the free market and many elements of Capitalism will be the fastest way to solve all of humanities problems in terms of providing a sufficient amount of essential resources to meet the needs of people. When you have a society that are home owners, employed in careers which provide health care and pensions, owners of personal transportation, and money left over to be spent on luxury goods which contributes to forging a deep rich satisfying cultural shared by your countrymen- you have solved the "big" problems of governing a nation. The free market and private business have proved without a doubt through history that through innovation in technology it has contributed more to solving these problems than any of other economic system. Look at the most important inventions in history and they were all developed in the private sector and purchased and sold in the free market.
Again, your criticisms of Capitalism are old and harken back to the days of early industry in the late 1800's. Yes Monopolies can form and they can take advantage of the consumer by charging high prices and they can eliminate competitors through bribing politicians. That can happen if you have a corrupt society, which the vast majority of industrialized societies do not allow to happen. Government regulation of the private sector is essential to prevent corruption. I am sure corruption still goes on, but not to the point where it's going to have a significant impact on society. Look at every single industry and look at all the variety the consumer has to select from. The issues you speak about have been solved long ago. Yes monopolies and corrupt Oligarchies are a possible negative consequence of Capitalism, which is why transparency and government regulation of the private sector is so important. You speak about junk service, terrible products, and high prices as they are guaranteed to occur in a free market, but history has shown that when those problems arise, the seller loses business to others sellers who are providing better products and service at more fair prices. Simple as that.
In a perfect world where everyone is exactly equal and everyone was born to contribute equally, yes socialism would be great, but that is not the world we live in right now. Maybe a generation from now, we will have more cohesive societies who are not corrupted by greed and they successfully follow Norway's example of incorporating socialist elements into their economic systems. Based off what I have seen, people will still be greedy corrupt assholes just out for themselves and the most fair solution to keep them productive is the "Free Market Capitalist Economic System".
You criticize people in my country who live pay check to pay check, yet people by the millions are illegally traveling thousands of miles to enter my country because the reality is, even if you poor by the standards of the USA, you are still better off than if you are middle class in Latin America. Like I said, these people would kill just to have a home, heat / AC, Wi-Fi, food, educational opportunities, and affordable public transportation, and most importantly- they can find employment.
Is it plausible to come to the conclusions that people in Haiti have brought poverty to themselves through lack of personal responsibility? Why are you allowing a population boom and having multiple children when you cannot even afford to feed yourself? Is that a responsible thing to do? Did Haiti mismanage their agricultural industries which led to infertile soil and killed their most important natural resource- sugar cane? I don't have the answer to those questions, but I do know that if you do not fulfill your personal responsibilities in any society, then you will be poor economically.
Just because Cuba and Venezuela allow democracy and a free market to enter their society does not mean they are going to get fucked by the USA. It does mean they continue to be ruled by a dictator in a planned society where they are free to make the most of themselves and they will most likely remain in poverty as a best case scenario, and starve to death or turn to a life of crime in a worst case scenario. This is facts. How could it possibly be worse to play ball with the world and allow your people to have a say in their governments than just remain with low levels of freedom and extreme poverty and crime?
RamDavidson84
07-19-22, 15:23
Lets not act like the US is not a shithole going down the drain.Agree 100%, quality of life has gone down tremendously since 2008 financial crisis. It's not the country it was 20 years ago. Media bias and spineless politicians are not helping. Once retirement hits, I will take my pension and find a quiet beach in Mexico / Caribbean somewhere LOL.
Again, your criticisms of Capitalism are old and harken back to the days of early industry in the late 1800's. Yes Monopolies can form and they can take advantage of the consumer by charging high prices and they can eliminate competitors through bribing politicians. That can happen if you have a corrupt society, which the vast majority of industrialized societies do not allow to happen.
In a perfect world where everyone is exactly equal and everyone was born to contribute equally, yes socialism would be great,
I don't have the time to debate yiou here and now Ram. I find your your views very much inline with many USAns, that is to say completely ignorant of realities in the world. Olgarchs rule the world NOW, not 200 years ago. Corruption is as bad now as it was then. Its just that it is enshrined in law these days. Or the elites are above the law. Look at the USA for example. The most corrupt nation on Earth. All politics is bought, democracy is nil, no rule of law for the elites.
Socialism never aims for equality of outcome or equal inputs. You know so little about it that I just don't have the time to go thru it on this forum with you.
RamDavidson84
07-19-22, 20:26
I don't have the time to debate you here and now Ram. I find your your views very much inline with many USAns, that is to say completely ignorant of realities in the world. Olgarchs rule the world NOW, not 200 years ago. Corruption is as bad now as it was then. Its just that it is enshrined in law these days. Or the elites are above the law. Look at the USA for example. The most corrupt nation on Earth. All politics is bought, democracy is nil, no rule of law for the elites.
Socialism never aims for equality of outcome or equal inputs. You know so little about it that I just don't have the time to go thru it on this forum with you.Cmon TK, don't get so bent out of shape LOL. And yes you do have time to debate, you post on these forums non stop all day long LOL. You make some really BOLD claims though. "The USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth" LOL? It's just such a ridiculously biased statement. Not Russia, not Mexico, not North Korea, not Belarus, not Venezuela, not any country in Africa. Some how you come to the conclusion that the USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth hahaha. You state "all politics are bought"? Yes, I am sure some politics are bought and many politicians are funded from campaign donations, but that is the "will of the people". If someone believes in a cause and they want to donate to a campaign, they are allowed to do what they want with their money. I am not sure off the top of my head, but I do believe Hilary Clinton had massive campaign donations which dwarfed Trumps and she still lost. Go figure that one.
I am going to be very honest, you seem like you want so hard to believe in something that just doesn't exist and there is no evidence to back up your claims. I don't think I can put too much weight into your posts after you make such claims and I don't even want to ask you for evidence as I already know, there is no evidence to support those claims and it is just the stuff of conspiracy theorists.
To be fair, I'll let sleeping dogs lye and agree to disagree. As you and I have both stated before, we do both truly want what is best for all nations of the world, we just have different opinions on the best way to solve societies problems.
You make some really BOLD claims though. "The USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth" LOL? It's just such a ridiculously biased statement.Bcos has corrupted all semblance of democracy, and that toxic corruptionr tends throughout the entire US sphere of influence.
I am in an all inclusive resort in isla Margarita, Venezuela now. My room was just attended to by not only the hottest house cleaner I have ever seen but one of the hottest women I have ever seen.
I am in an all inclusive resort in isla Margarita, Venezuela now. My room was just attended to by not only the hottest house cleaner I have ever seen but one of the hottest women I have ever seen.Any info on how Isla Margarita was?
Would be much appreciated.
World Travel 69
05-21-24, 21:47
I put together a Map.
Most of it is old, but some are new places.
I was there at Mardi Gras time years ago.
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