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C Jack Sparrow
05-14-15, 12:45
I have this rule whenever I monger: no politics. Most people who know me well would say I am a political junkie, yet I choose to keep my personal life and political affiliations separate from my mongering activities. I have seen the Gates documentaries and like the others, I decided not to opine on the subject because I know that the discussion ultimately deterioates into a verbal pissing match.
Gates couldn't squeeze 500+ years of history into a one hour special, so naturally quite a bit was left out and with a limited budget he took some poetic license. One of the best books on the history of island of Hispaniola is C L R James' The Black Jacobins, and there are numerous links and writings on the tiano culture or what's left of them, yes the entire population was indeed decimated by Columbus and his men in their quest for gold. African slaves, millions of them, were brought in to replace the Indians (Arawaks). The notion that African genes arent prevalent in most Dominicans is absurd and patently false. Their denial of their obvious African ancestry coupled with the shame and anger of being occupied by Haiti for decades, was
the focal point of the Gates Documentary. You can also throw in adopting a Euro-colonial racial caste system that keeps the white and lighter skinned elites in power, this is true for most of central and Latin America, not just DR.
We gather here for the common purpose of sharing information on fine ass chicas, irrespective of race, political ideology and
social economic background. I have experienced good times with mongers I suspect are probaly my polar opposite in ideology but we were talking about the ass and after a few drinks, it was all good.
Apologies in advance to the grammar police, I wrote this on my phone. I may go back for new years as my premed chica is saying all the right things.This guy has it all right!
You should listen to him!
Camaro1257
05-14-15, 20:07
La Policía en la República Dominicana.
Now that I live in Puerto Plata I will post miscellaneous information occasionally that I hope will help you guys going forward. Of course being an ex-pat is different from vacationing but I hope the information posted helps none the less.
I am retired law enforcement so in general I expect my encounters with Dominican law enforcement to be different than the average extranjero. I have had a few encounters with the Dominican Republic's finest. On one of my early trips while checking my passport at immigration the Immigration Officer asked me for a "regalo" since it was during the Christmas season I just looked at him and smiled.
Vacation Experiences.
While on vacation on a couple of occasions I have run into Policia National and either initiated a conversation or they initiated an informal conversation. They all have been friendly and there was never a direct request for money. On a couple of occasions there was an uncomfortable pause were I suspect they wanted a gift without extending their hands but over all my vacation experiences with them have been very professional.
AMET.
Since I am driving I have had the inevitable encounter with AMET. Once for my tag the other for my allegedly running the red light (the light was yellow not red) on Hwy 5 in front of Playero and the last occasion was for a parking violation in Puerto Plata downtown. The officer seemed to be irritated with me on the traffic signal violation. Over all AMET has been very professional and I honestly have no complaints at this time with them.
Policia Nacional.
I was on my way home from Sosua to Puerto Plata on Hwy 5 late at night when 2 Policia Nacional trucks pulled me over with 4 officers. I turned my dome light on opend my badge case and sat their waiting for them. This incident was clearly a shake-down attempt because I committed no traffic violations.
When the officer saw my badge he saluted me and called his Sergeant and we chatted for a while. He said he was hungry and wanted some chicken and of course talked about how poor their wages were. I smiled entertained him but gave him nothing. After about 10 minutes they let me go.
MOPC.
My most recent encounter has been with the MOPC military highway police. I was on my way to Sosua from Puerto Plata on Hwy 5 when my car over heated and I got a battery and engine light after which my car quit running. I called a friend for some help and had a wrecker on the way.
Later MOPC shows up one gets out his car about the size of a bear with a shot gun and the other little guy looked like he was 18 years old with a baby face. They put cones out had me lift my hood and earnestly tried to help me. I told them I had help on the way and the decided to stay after taking down my information.
After the wrecker arrived I pulled both of them aside and gave them 100 pesos each and the big bear looking guy looked at me like WTF? (he was really surprised and not expecting anything) The little guy just looked at me and smiled. I shook their hands and said "te aprecio" and left with the wrecker.
* So far my experiences with law enforcement in the Dominican Republic have basically been positive. Let's hope it stays that way.
La Polica en la Repblica Dominicana.
Now that I live in Puerto Plata I will post miscellaneous information occasionally that I hope will help you guys going forward. Of course being an ex-pat is different from vacationing but I hope the information posted helps none the less.
I am retired law enforcement so in general I expect my encounters with Dominican law enforcement to be different than the average extranjero. I have had a few encounters with the Dominican Republic's finest. On one of my early trips while checking my passport at immigration the Immigration Officer asked me for a "regalo" since it was during the Christmas season I just looked at him and smiled.
Vacation Experiences.
While on vacation on a couple of occasions I have run into Policia National and either initiated a conversation or they initiated an informal conversation. They all have been friendly and there was never a direct request for money. On a couple of occasions there was an uncomfortable pause were I suspect they wanted a gift without extending their hands but over all my vacation experiences with them have been very professional.
AMET.
Since I am driving I have had the inevitable encounter with AMET. Once for my tag the other for my allegedly running the red light (the light was yellow not red) on Hwy 5 in front of Playero and the last occasion was for a parking violation in Puerto Plata downtown. The officer seemed to be irritated with me on the traffic signal violation. Over all AMET has been very professional and I honestly have no complaints at this time with them.
Policia Nacional.
I was on my way home from Sosua to Puerto Plata on Hwy 5 late at night when 2 Policia Nacional trucks pulled me over with 4 officers. I turned my dome light on opend my badge case and sat their waiting for them. This incident was clearly a shake-down attempt because I committed no traffic violations.
When the officer saw my badge he saluted me and called his Sergeant and we chatted for a while. He said he was hungry and wanted some chicken and of course talked about how poor their wages were. I smiled entertained him but gave him nothing. After about 10 minutes they let me go.
MOPC.
My most recent encounter has been with the MOPC military highway police. I was on my way to Sosua from Puerto Plata on Hwy 5 when my car over heated and I got a battery and engine light after which my car quit running. I called a friend for some help and had a wrecker on the way.
Later MOPC shows up one gets out his car about the size of a bear with a shot gun and the other little guy looked like he was 18 years old with a baby face. They put cones out had me lift my hood and earnestly tried to help me. I told them I had help on the way and the decided to stay after taking down my information.
After the wrecker arrived I pulled both of them aside and gave them 100 pesos each and the big bear looking guy looked at me like WTF? (he was really surprised and not expecting anything) The little guy just looked at me and smiled. I shook their hands and said "te aprecio" and left with the wrecker.
* So far my experiences with law enforcement in the Dominican Republic have basically been positive. Let's hope it stays that way.Nice report. Now we need a report by a Dominican expatriate on his experiences with the various police forces in the US for comparative value! I find that a knowledge of Spanish is invaluable in dealing with cops in the DR, but a knowledge of English isn't that much help in the US. In fact the most useful word is a Spanish word. Miranda.
Hi all,
Apologies if this is the wrong forum, I'm new to ISG so please bear with me. I've hired escorts a in Toronto so I'm familiar with the scene here, however I've been thinking about doing a 4-5 night trip to the DR since I've heard such good things.
Where can I go (maybe a thread here?) to read up on all I need to know about this in the DR? Essentially I'm looking for a "beginner's guide" or something like that, or maybe a place where beginner questions are welcome.
Basically what I'm interested in is something very similar to what I get in Toronto. A wide selection of girls that will do a wide selection of things. I prefer longer sessions too vs the typical 1 hour session.
Thanks for any help.
Hi all, apologies if this is the wrong forum, I'm new to ISG so please bear with me. I've hired escorts a in Toronto so I'm familiar with the scene here, however I've been thinking about doing a 4-5 night trip to the DR since I've heard such good things.
Where can I go (maybe a thread here?) to read up on all I need to know about this in the DR? Essentially I'm looking for a "beginner's guide" or something like that, or maybe a place where beginner questions are welcome.
Basically what I'm interested in is something very similar to what I get in Toronto. A wide selection of girls that will do a wide selection of things. I prefer longer sessions too vs the typical 1 hour session.
Thanks for any help.Sure this is the right place if you are interested in getting fucked senseless for a reasonable price. But what are you looking for? Daily budget, type of women, type of sex, knowledge of Spanish language? You can keep girls here for the whole day if you want without paying hourly rate as for an escort.
However, you probably won't find anything similar to what you have in Toronto. It will be much better.
Everyone here will tell you to go to Blackbeards resort hotel on the first trip for a kind of walled-garden sex vacation experience. That would be OK. Personally I would say stay in hotel in Sosua or Cabarete and go wild in your own way. But it is your vacation, so you will have to decide for yourself.
Sure this is the right place if you are interested in getting fucked senseless for a reasonable price. But what are you looking for? Daily budget, type of women, type of sex, knowledge of Spanish language? You can keep girls here for the whole day if you want without paying hourly rate as for an escort.
However, you probably won't find anything similar to what you have in Toronto. It will be much better.
Everyone here will tell you to go to Blackbeards resort hotel on the first trip for a kind of walled-garden sex vacation experience. That would be OK. Personally I would say stay in hotel in Sosua or Cabarete and go wild in your own way. But it is your vacation, so you will have to decide for yourself.Thank you for the response. I didn't want to get too detailed in case it was the wrong forum, but to answer your questions:
I am looking for a 4 night or so stay. Ideally I'd like the "all in" price (excluding travel of course) to be around $1000. I'm not knowledgeable in Spanish very much at all, just a bit of French (hooray for Canada).
Type of women: I'm open to all types, not really picky about race or anything like that. For me the most important factor is that she is willing to do whatever I want as many times as I want. Thus the preference for a daily rate instead of hourly.
Type of sex: Nothing crazy, pretty much the standard stuff. Just lots of it.
I'm happy you said it won't be similar to Toronto because it will be better, because I'm very satisfied here so beyond that would really be great. Here in Toronto I don't go for the GFE type of stuff (ie Not looking for DFK, DATY, etc), I go for more straight to the point stuff, e. G. MSOG, CIM, etc. With a provider that's very accommodating.
To your last point. I'm not sure, hence me coming here. To lay out my ideal scene quickly: A decent place to stay, lots of girls to choose from that aren't a hassle to get (ie No "picking up" required), at least one per night, and that the girl (s) are open to and up for a full day of activities. I'm not interested in the night life, bars, or tourist spots. I've done some quick looking on Blackbeards and a few others (gogo, FOD, are there others I should be looking at? Seems close to what I want but I figured maybe there is a better way to go about it.
Thank you for the response. I didn't want to get too detailed in case it was the wrong forum, but to answer your questions:
I am looking for a 4 night or so stay. Ideally I'd like the "all in" price (excluding travel of course) to be around $1000. I'm not knowledgeable in Spanish very much at all, just a bit of French (hooray for Canada).
Type of women: I'm open to all types, not really picky about race or anything like that. For me the most important factor is that she is willing to do whatever I want as many times as I want. Thus the preference for a daily rate instead of hourly.
Type of sex: Nothing crazy, pretty much the standard stuff. Just lots of it.
I'm happy you said it won't be similar to Toronto because it will be better, because I'm very satisfied here so beyond that would really be great. Here in Toronto I don't go for the GFE type of stuff (ie Not looking for DFK, DATY, etc), I go for more straight to the point stuff, e. G. MSOG, CIM, etc. With a provider that's very accommodating.
To your last point. I'm not sure, hence me coming here. To lay out my ideal scene quickly: A decent place to stay, lots of girls to choose from that aren't a hassle to get (ie No "picking up" required), at least one per night, and that the girl (s) are open to and up for a full day of activities. I'm not interested in the night life, bars, or tourist spots. I've done some quick looking on Blackbeards and a few others (gogo, FOD, are there others I should be looking at? Seems close to what I want but I figured maybe there is a better way to go about it.Not sure what those initials mean.
Blackbeard's might be the best bet, but in the DR you probably need to give the BFE if you want to get the good stuff like CIM. You might loosen up in your requirements once you get to the DR and start having fun. You can have girls for all day, but their idea of fun tends to be spending your money and it can add up.
Thank you for the response. I didn't want to get too detailed in case it was the wrong forum, but to answer your questions:
I am looking for a 4 night or so stay. Ideally I'd like the "all in" price (excluding travel of course) to be around $1000. I'm not knowledgeable in Spanish very much at all, just a bit of French (hooray for Canada).
Type of women: I'm open to all types, not really picky about race or anything like that. For me the most important factor is that she is willing to do whatever I want as many times as I want. Thus the preference for a daily rate instead of hourly.
Type of sex: Nothing crazy, pretty much the standard stuff. Just lots of it.
I'm happy you said it won't be similar to Toronto because it will be better, because I'm very satisfied here so beyond that would really be great. Here in Toronto I don't go for the GFE type of stuff (ie Not looking for DFK, DATY, etc), I go for more straight to the point stuff, e. G. MSOG, CIM, etc. With a provider that's very accommodating.
To your last point. I'm not sure, hence me coming here. To lay out my ideal scene quickly: A decent place to stay, lots of girls to choose from that aren't a hassle to get (ie No "picking up" required), at least one per night, and that the girl (s) are open to and up for a full day of activities. I'm not interested in the night life, bars, or tourist spots. I've done some quick looking on Blackbeards and a few others (gogo, FOD, are there others I should be looking at? Seems close to what I want but I figured maybe there is a better way to go about it.You can easily do BB's for 4 days for under $1000. The girls are 1800 DOP. About $40, but that's for one round. If you want multiple rounds it will cost more. If you want a girl all day and all night you have to negotiate that with the girl. Probably somewhere in the 5000 DOP range. I've never done that, but that is a number I've had multiple guys tell me. CIM is up to the girl, but I've done it with a whole bunch of the girls at BB's. You don't have to worry about picking up girls at BB's. More like beating them off with a stick.
Thank you for the response. I didn't want to get too detailed in case it was the wrong forum, but to answer your questions:
I am looking for a 4 night or so stay. Ideally I'd like the "all in" price (excluding travel of course) to be around $1000. I'm not knowledgeable in Spanish very much at all, just a bit of French (hooray for Canada).
Type of women: I'm open to all types, not really picky about race or anything like that. For me the most important factor is that she is willing to do whatever I want as many times as I want. Thus the preference for a daily rate instead of hourly.
Type of sex: Nothing crazy, pretty much the standard stuff. Just lots of it.
I'm happy you said it won't be similar to Toronto because it will be better, because I'm very satisfied here so beyond that would really be great. Here in Toronto I don't go for the GFE type of stuff (ie Not looking for DFK, DATY, etc), I go for more straight to the point stuff, e. G. MSOG, CIM, etc. With a provider that's very accommodating.
To your last point. I'm not sure, hence me coming here. To lay out my ideal scene quickly: A decent place to stay, lots of girls to choose from that aren't a hassle to get (ie No "picking up" required), at least one per night, and that the girl (s) are open to and up for a full day of activities. I'm not interested in the night life, bars, or tourist spots. I've done some quick looking on Blackbeards and a few others (gogo, FOD, are there others I should be looking at? Seems close to what I want but I figured maybe there is a better way to go about it.I doubt you will find what you're looking for on that budget, for a couple of reasons. First there is the language barrier, explaining "whatever I want, as many times as I want" is going to cause confusion. Second is the basic nature of Dominican chicas, whenever what you want falls outside of what they expect, everything will stop to either negotiate a new price or to explain that it isn't on the menu. Combined with the language barrier, it's not going to be easy.
As others have said, Blackbeard's is probably a good choice. The rooms are decent, the food is pretty good and there is a decent selection of girls. No pickup required, they will approach you, just order a beer and make a choice.
The prices, in pesos are:
500 for a trip to the jacuzzi, per girl. Usually the girls will approach as a duo for tag team BBBJ.
1800 for ST, one shot, 1 to 2 hours total. Negotiable prices for anything extra.
3300 for overnight, 2 shots. This is stated on the price list, so if you're looking for 3 or 4 shots for overnight, you're probably not going to get it, or pay a lot more.
Whether you can keep to the budget depends on your appetites. Room, meals and drinks for 4 nights will cost about $500 USD, or 21,250 pesos at the Blackbeard's exchange rate. That's assuming a limited amount of alcohol consumption. If you exchange dollars to pesos elsewhere, $1000 USD will get you 44,500 pesos. That should allow you to take 2 different girls to your room per day, plus 2 trips to the jacuzzi with 2 girls each trip, per day, and still keep you within your budget.
Not sure what those initials mean.
Blackbeard's might be the best bet, but in the DR you probably need to give the BFE if you want to get the good stuff like CIM. You might loosen up in your requirements once you get to the DR and start having fun. You can have girls for all day, but their idea of fun tends to be spending your money and it can add up.Damn I'm the worst at BFE, haha. Yeah I figured it'll start adding up but I don't mind spending a bit extra if it get me what I want, you know?
Thanks again for taking the time.
You can easily do BB's for 4 days for under $1000. The girls are 1800 DOP. About $40, but that's for one round. If you want multiple rounds it will cost more. If you want a girl all day and all night you have to negotiate that with the girl. Probably somewhere in the 5000 DOP range. I've never done that, but that is a number I've had multiple guys tell me. CIM is up to the girl, but I've done it with a whole bunch of the girls at BB's. You don't have to worry about picking up girls at BB's. More like beating them off with a stick.Great, thanks for the response. So is the best place for info on BBs on their website or what do you recommend for a newbie?
Charles Pooter
05-29-15, 18:10
I'm not knowledgeable in Spanish very much at all, just a bit of French.If you are only staying for four days, and with minimal Spanish, I would recommend Blackbeards too. Absolutely no downtime. The chicas will be fondling your ass and ready to go while you are checking in.
You might want to spend one afternoon and early evening visiting Sosua, especially if you find a couple of other newbies willing to share an (otherwise expensive) taxi with you. Not for sexual activities, but to get the feel of the place for a possible future stay there. But be warned that Sosua doesn't really get going until after 10 pm, by which time you should be tucked up in bed back at Blackbeards. Spend the afternoon on the beach in Sosua, 5 pm to 6 pm dining, and from 6 pm to 9 pm sampling the strip, ending at Rancho Tipico.
... not really picky about race or anything like that.A lot of guys say that when it is not really true. But if you really like black girls as much or more, then your French will give you an advantage with haitianas, who a sizable minority of us here (and especially among ex-pats who have the most experience of the local girls) prefer for their attitude.
... the girls are open to and up for a full day of activities.I would forget that for this first trip. You will only be going with full-time working girls and they will charge more or less by the hour. If they do spend "free" time with you, it will still cost you a packet wining and dining them and taking them shopping.
On later trips when you have more Spanish (or Kreyol) and experience you may find semi-pros who are happy to spend prolonged time with you (in the hope of locking you into an extended relationship) and don't keep the meter running.
I stayed two weeks at Blackbeards my first visit to the DR and loved every minute of it. But I have never stayed there in the eight years since because you can have a more cost-effective all-round experience staying elsewhere. But four days only will cost you a packet per day once you have amortized your travel expenses and you won't want the downtime of looking for chicas and of "interviewing" them once you have found them, with the inevitable percentage of poor experiences. (I reckon at least 20% for newbies without Spanish, falling to 10% with more experience).
If you do end up at Blackbeards, you may wish to pop into Puerto Plata city one day for a look around. It is much nearer and cheaper than going to Sosua. We could meet for a drink on the Malecon (seafront). You cannot be fucking 24 hours a day!
Marc Anthony
05-29-15, 20:43
Damn I'm the worst at BFE, haha. Yeah I figured it'll start adding up but I don't mind spending a bit extra if it get me what I want, you know?
Thanks again for taking the time.It's a lot like ordering a new car. If you have very specific must have preferences it might end up costing a lot more. If you are flexible you will get more for your money. MSOG (had to look it up) and CIM (knew it very well) aren't very exotic but they aren't a standard order either. I'd just ask for it and give her a regalo, a little gift, if she was ok with it and otherwise drop it if she isn't immediately ready to say yes with a smile and no negotiation. I don't think it's worth negotiating or paying more. It's either free as part of the package or too expensive to bother. Something like wanting to make a minor change in the upholstery or options on a car. You can have literally whatever you want, but if it's not already in the package it will cost more than it's worth to most people. With chicas there's also the fact that negotiating and bribing her to do something she doesn't really like to do will often produce a less than stellar experience.
BoricuaOnline
05-31-15, 03:16
Cabañas RD is a new app you can download on android with info an location of cabañas.
Troubleman69
06-01-15, 17:06
Cabaas RD is a new app you can download on android with info an location of cabaas.Thanks for the info Boricua. I just downloaded it on my Iphone.
SavePros321
06-17-15, 13:24
Found this article this morning:
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The Dominican Republic is about to create a serious refugee crisis.
AP / Ramon Espinosa.
International human rights groups hoped this day would never come. Political activists in the nation pushed for the government to re-examine its policy. And families feared it would send them packing from the only country they've ever known.
Starting tomorrow, the government of the Dominican Republic plans to follow through on its promise to "repatriate" potentially hundreds of thousands of residents with Haitian heritage, after a controversial court ruling from 2013 retroactively stripped them of Dominican citizenship unless they had at least one parent with "Dominican blood. " Legally, the law applies to any foreigner who arrived in the country after 1929. But practically, it overwhelmingly affects the descendants of people who came from the DR's struggling neighbor, Haiti.
To show that it means business, the Dominican government has prepared a dozen buses and set up processing centers on the border with Haiti, about 150 miles from Santo Domingo. In a statement, Minister of Defense General Mximo Muoz Delgado explained that he has given orders to the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy to help with the effort to deal with the "irregular migrants. ".
Photo: Dominican Ministry of Defense.
General Mximo Muoz Delgado shows off the dozen buses meant to repatriate (read: deport) Dominicans of Haitian descent.
Across the nation, residents have been lining up at government buildings in an effort to obtain the papers that would legalize their status and prevent deportation.
After the original court order rendering hundreds of thousands of Dominican residents stateless was met with international outrage, human rights groups succeeded in getting the government to soften its stance by passing a law that would allow for people to reclaim their citizenship if records of their births were registered in the national registry. Other non-citizens who could prove their identity and by showing they arrived before October 2011 would be able to get legal residency permits.
Official numbers estimate that up to 500,000 current residents of the Dominican Republic are able to apply for the program. If they are not accepted, they will remain statelessmeaning they will not be able to hold a job, vote, attend high school, apply for college, open a bank account or legally drive. Out of all those able to apply, according to the Associated Press, only about 10,000 have already met the requirements for getting legal residency, and only about 300 have actually been granted permits. Local websites explain that the low numbers might be due to long lines and the fact that the government is asking for extensive documents from poor rural residents who might not have them.
The tensions are already heating up. On Monday, police fired tear gas at protesters in front of the Ministry of the Interior in Santo Domingo. One headline describes "chaos and confrontation" at local government offices.
And though the government says that it will not conduct large scale deportation raids after Wednesday's deadline for submitting papers, some locals have their doubts.
An aid worker who spoke to the Nation early this week under the condition of anonymity reported that local police have recently been detaining people in "limpiezas" or "cleanings" in Santo Domingo neighborhoods, which he says might be in preparation for mass deportations.
"The detained tend to range from intoxicated persons to suspected prostitutes, but are disproportionately Haitian or dark-skinned Dominicans with Haitian facial features," he told the Nation. "These could just be guys drinking and playing dominos or women standing on street corners. More often, though, they tend to be young men with Haitian features and darker skin. ".
The United States has been silent on the latest developments, though it has spoken against the policy in the past. Requests for comment from the Department of State went unanswered for this story.
Other nearby countries also have anti-Haitian policies.
Similar laws have left scores stateless and facing deportation in the Bahamas. In the nearby island nation Turks and Caicos, officials said last year they would consider using drones to track down Haitians, after changing their immigration policies to avoid granting citizenship to those born in the country. In these nations, the anti-Haitianism has more to do with classism than racism, as Haitians come from the poorest nation in the region.
But those pale in comparison to the longstanding tensions between the Dominican Republic and Haiti.
The DR is the only nation in the hemisphere that celebrated independence not from a European power, but from Haiti, which occupied it during the mid 1800's. Several wars and flare-ups have come since, many racially tinged, since Haitians are largely dark-black, while many Dominicans categorically deny their black ancestry in favor of celebrating Spanish heritage.
At a low point during the mid-1900's reign of dictator Rafael Trujillo (whose official policy was to "whiten" the country) between 20,000 to 30,000 Haitians were massacred near the nations' shared border that divides the island of Hispaniola. After Trujillo was ousted in 1961, the name of the local river, once called the Dajabon River, was changed to "Massacre River," an acknowledgement of the blood that once ran through it and an attempt to face up to the travesty.
At the high point of relations between the two countries, Dominican officials led efforts to help Haitians affected by the devastating 2010 earthquake, which killed over 100,000, and left over 1. 5 million internally displaced.
But in February, a Haitian man was found lynched in the central city of Santiago, sparking protests in Haiti, and even forcing the Dominican consulates across Haiti to shutter their doors because of threats of violence.
Deadline for the now-stateless Dominican residents to get papers in order is 7 pm Wednesday. After that, those measly dozen buses will start looking a little more ominous.
Source: http://fusion.net/story/151603/the-dominican-republic-is-about-to-create-a-serious-refugee-crisis/.
Riky Rapido
06-19-15, 03:24
Found this article this morning:
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The Dominican Republic is about to create a serious refugee crisis.
AP / Ramon Espinosa.
International human rights groups hoped this day would never come. Political activists in the nation pushed for the government to re-examine its policy. And families feared it would send them packing from the only country they've ever known.
Starting tomorrow, the government of the Dominican Republic plans to follow through on its promise to "repatriate" potentially hundreds of thousands of residents with Haitian heritage, after a controversial court ruling from 2013 retroactively stripped them of Dominican citizenship unless they had at least one parent with "Dominican blood. " Legally, the law applies to any foreigner who arrived in the country after 1929. But practically, it overwhelmingly affects the descendants of people who came from the DR's struggling neighbor, Haiti.
To show that it means business, the Dominican government has prepared a dozen buses and set up processing centers on the border with Haiti, about 150 miles from Santo Domingo. In a statement, Minister of Defense General Mximo Muoz Delgado explained that he has given orders to the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy to help with the effort to deal with the "irregular migrants. ".
Photo: Dominican Ministry of Defense.
General Mximo Muoz Delgado shows off the dozen buses meant to repatriate (read: deport) Dominicans of Haitian descent.
Across the nation, residents have been lining up at government buildings in an effort to obtain the papers that would legalize their status and prevent deportation.
After the original court order rendering hundreds of thousands of Dominican residents stateless was met with international outrage, human rights groups succeeded in getting the government to soften its stance by passing a law that would allow for people to reclaim their citizenship if records of their births were registered in the national registry. Other non-citizens who could prove their identity and by showing they arrived before October 2011 would be able to get legal residency permits.
Official numbers estimate that up to 500,000 current residents of the Dominican Republic are able to apply for the program. If they are not accepted, they will remain statelessmeaning they will not be able to hold a job, vote, attend high school, apply for college, open a bank account or legally drive. Out of all those able to apply, according to the Associated Press, only about 10,000 have already met the requirements for getting legal residency, and only about 300 have actually been granted permits. Local websites explain that the low numbers might be due to long lines and the fact that the government is asking for extensive documents from poor rural residents who might not have them.
The tensions are already heating up. On Monday, police fired tear gas at protesters in front of the Ministry of the Interior in Santo Domingo. One headline describes "chaos and confrontation" at local government offices.
And though the government says that it will not conduct large scale deportation raids after Wednesday's deadline for submitting papers, some locals have their doubts.
An aid worker who spoke to the Nation early this week under the condition of anonymity reported that local police have recently been detaining people in "limpiezas" or "cleanings" in Santo Domingo neighborhoods, which he says might be in preparation for mass deportations.
"The detained tend to range from intoxicated persons to suspected prostitutes, but are disproportionately Haitian or dark-skinned Dominicans with Haitian facial features," he told the Nation. "These could just be guys drinking and playing dominos or women standing on street corners. More often, though, they tend to be young men with Haitian features and darker skin. ".
The United States has been silent on the latest developments, though it has spoken against the policy in the past. Requests for comment from the Department of State went unanswered for this story.
Other nearby countries also have anti-Haitian policies.
Similar laws have left scores stateless and facing deportation in the Bahamas. In the nearby island nation Turks and Caicos, officials said last year they would consider using drones to track down Haitians, after changing their immigration policies to avoid granting citizenship to those born in the country. In these nations, the anti-Haitianism has more to do with classism than racism, as Haitians come from the poorest nation in the region.
But those pale in comparison to the longstanding tensions between the Dominican Republic and Haiti.
The DR is the only nation in the hemisphere that celebrated independence not from a European power, but from Haiti, which occupied it during the mid 1800's. Several wars and flare-ups have come since, many racially tinged, since Haitians are largely dark-black, while many Dominicans categorically deny their black ancestry in favor of celebrating Spanish heritage.
At a low point during the mid-1900's reign of dictator Rafael Trujillo (whose official policy was to "whiten" the country) between 20,000 to 30,000 Haitians were massacred near the nations' shared border that divides the island of Hispaniola. After Trujillo was ousted in 1961, the name of the local river, once called the Dajabon River, was changed to "Massacre River," an acknowledgement of the blood that once ran through it and an attempt to face up to the travesty.
At the high point of relations between the two countries, Dominican officials led efforts to help Haitians affected by the devastating 2010 earthquake, which killed over 100,000, and left over 1. 5 million internally displaced.
But in February, a Haitian man was found lynched in the central city of Santiago, sparking protests in Haiti, and even forcing the Dominican consulates across Haiti to shutter their doors because of threats of violence.
Deadline for the now-stateless Dominican residents to get papers in order is 7 pm Wednesday. After that, those measly dozen buses will start looking a little more ominous.
Source: http://fusion.net/story/151603/the-dominican-republic-is-about-to-create-a-serious-refugee-crisis/.Long lines yesterday at the PN, National Police where processing was going on. Processing?? Power outage in the morning, and only one computer to process hundreds of Haitians. This is so barbaric.
Marc Anthony
06-21-15, 22:19
Please update with any observations and details about ongoing events.
I just got back from a trip to south Florida. The food and beaches blow away everything I have experienced in the DR. Never the less 20 year old pussy just can not be had. Went to South Beach and o my God the girls were off the charts but they were not interested in fucking 50 plus year old guys.
I just got back from a trip to south Florida. The food and beaches blow away everything I have experienced in the DR. Never the less 20 year old pussy just can not be had. Went to South Beach and o my God the girls were off the charts but they were not interested in fucking 50 plus year old guys.I live in south Florida. Yes there are 20 year old girls here who would fuck 50 year old man. They ask minimum $150-200 for mediocre to disappointing service. Then sugar babies are available if you give them $2000-3000 monthly allowance and help them with their shopping needs.
Mr Enternational
07-03-15, 17:29
Same rules apply anywhere you go. Show up with money. It's just in some places it takes more money than in others.
Hi Guys, this is a newbie report on my recent visit to Santo Domingo, Sosua and Santiago. Forgive me for not posting in the city threads. Of the three cities I likes Santiago the best because the climate is a little better, more sightseeing and the girls were generally less mercenary. I met a busty teacher walking by my hotel (Aloha Sol) and invited her up to the room for a beer. Within minutes we were having fun on the bed. The monument is fun to walk around and there are good restaraunts all over. My friend, T, set me up with another Santiago chica that was really a lot of fun, too. In Sosua, I stayed at Hotel Casa Valeria and recommend it. Nice pool and quiet and near everything. The ribs at Rocky's were great. Went to Rhumbas and picked up a double dee cupper who was good to me. As a whitey in Sosua, however, I definitely felt I was being watched by all the hawkers and taxi drivers trying to make a buck. I didn't see or experience any crime but still made my chica choices fairly early and holed in for the night. Met a sexy thirty-something on the beach there who owned a shop and spent two nights with her. My best chica experience however, was in Santo Domingo with a DC chica. She was in the top 5 of all girls I have had in my life! Five foot seven, 42 dee dee 26 36, gorgeous white smile, caramel skin, extremely amorous. I saw her three times. A bit more expensive (3 K) but worth it at least to me. I had eight chicas in all -- all dee cups and most very nice. Not knowing Spanish was a handicap but it is doable. Would I go back? Probably but I do like the Filipinas more even though it is rare to find a busty one there. Sorry no pics. I promised the girls I wouldn't share. Oh. Santo Domingo I highly recommend the Casa Conde Residencias on Jose Reyes. It is about three blocks off the main drag (El Conde) in Colonial Zona. For $60 you get a real nice suite with kitchenette, sofa, view of the parque across the street and is near corner store. Feel free to PM if you have any questions. Many thanks to T for all his advice.
Glad to see you had a great time. It is very easy to have a great time if you are patient and plan just a little. You got your big chested girls and enjoyed them.
Hi Guys, this is a newbie report on my recent visit to Santo Domingo, Sosua and Santiago. Forgive me for not posting in the city threads. Of the three cities I likes Santiago the best because the climate is a little better, more sightseeing and the girls were generally less mercenary. I met a busty teacher walking by my hotel (Aloha Sol) and invited her up to the room for a beer. Within minutes we were having fun on the bed. The monument is fun to walk around and there are good restaraunts all over. My friend, T, set me up with another Santiago chica that was really a lot of fun, too. In Sosua, I stayed at Hotel Casa Valeria and recommend it. Nice pool and quiet and near everything. The ribs at Rocky's were great. Went to Rhumbas and picked up a double dee cupper who was good to me. As a whitey in Sosua, however, I definitely felt I was being watched by all the hawkers and taxi drivers trying to make a buck. I didn't see or experience any crime but still made my chica choices fairly early and holed in for the night. Met a sexy thirty-something on the beach there who owned a shop and spent two nights with her. My best chica experience however, was in Santo Domingo with a DC chica. She was in the top 5 of all girls I have had in my life! Five foot seven, 42 dee dee 26 36, gorgeous white smile, caramel skin, extremely amorous. I saw her three times. A bit more expensive (3 K) but worth it at least to me. I had eight chicas in all -- all dee cups and most very nice. Not knowing Spanish was a handicap but it is doable. Would I go back? Probably but I do like the Filipinas more even though it is rare to find a busty one there. Sorry no pics. I promised the girls I wouldn't share. Oh. Santo Domingo I highly recommend the Casa Conde Residencias on Jose Reyes. It is about three blocks off the main drag (El Conde) in Colonial Zona. For $60 you get a real nice suite with kitchenette, sofa, view of the parque across the street and is near corner store. Feel free to PM if you have any questions. Many thanks to T for all his advice.
Tempoecorto
07-08-15, 19:37
Hi Guys, this is a newbie report on my recent visit to Santo Domingo, Sosua and Santiago. Glad you liked the two hotels in Sosua and Santiago but disappointed about your ribs at Rocky's (LOL). I mean sosua has so much variety, in food of course! The ribs (and chicken) by the American guy (next to Rumbas I think) is very good I thought.
Thanks, Old Kool. You are right. Yes, the average cup size of a Dominicana must be Dee! It is hooter heaven!
Glad to see you had a great time. It is very easy to have a great time if you are patient and plan just a little. You got your big chested girls and enjoyed them..
Parkinsons
07-15-15, 02:28
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!
BigTimeFun
07-15-15, 03:11
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!You lost me when you quoted Cuba Dave. DR is no more dangerous than before. Use common sense.
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!Yeah. I was completely terrified the whole time I was there. Apparently, I'm one of the very few who didn't get robbed, bribed chopped up and put in a barrel.
Member #4398
07-17-15, 04:47
That Video from the Hobotraveler is Crap, and full of all kind of nonsense and misinformation. Yes the DR is dangerous. So is also dangerous Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, El Salvador, Mexico, Peru, Ecuador, Afghanistan, Iraq, Russia, Africa, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, the Philippines and also before I forget the USA is dangerous too. Guatemala is not safer than the DR as he claims. CubaDave did not leave the DR because of crime or because he felt unsafe. If I am not mistaken, CubaDave left because he was given the boot by DR authorities for promoting sex tourism. He also does not like the DR anymore because the close down his favorite places in Sosua (Passion and CMP). If they open Passion and CMP, I am petty sure he will be back in Sosua. DR is not the most dangerous place on earth. There are other places more dangerous than DR, for instance Afghanistan, Iraq, Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador, Brazil, and Mexico, they all kick the DR in the more dangerous department. About the Hobo traveler saying that DR is only good to hang out with the boys. He is only saying that because of what he is a Hobo traveler who happens to like boys and not girls. Why the DR is not good to hang out with the girls when that is what makes the DR great for mongering?
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!Ha! Anyone who says that DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth has no idea what they are talking about. Perhaps there are places that ARE dangerous, poorer slum areas, but anywhere that tourists would regularly hang out is reasonably safe. Not Vienna or Milan safe. But safe enough for the seasoned and reasonable tourist. Comparing the DR to places like Guatemala and Honduras is ridiculous. Those places have regular buses robbed every day.
Its all about what parts of the country you specifically go to, and whether the crime problem has spilled over into more mainstream areas. I don't know what this Haitian expulsion is going to result in, but other than that, the DR is FINE.
And BTW, the more you get around, the more you hang on the vine, the more you realize that Cuba Dave is NOT a good source of information.
I recently visited DR for the first time. I felt completely safe in Santiago and Santo Domingo. In Sosua there were lots of people watching me but I did not experience any violence or robbery. Moreover, I have never seen so many big boobs in my life and not all had fat asses. So, I would probably go back to SD and Santiago if I got a cheap flight from the West Coast of the USA
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!.
When some one quotes Cuba Dave I stop listening. Old Dave was shown the door because he was seen as a potential trafficar of girls. Totally false but it did scare him. The tourist areas are as safe as anywhere you could be. The DR government is very tough on anyone who touches a tourist. How the powers that be feel about sex tourists is a mystery to me. P4 P is a part of DR culture. We mongers are just a small part of the business.
I'm now having second thoughts about traveling to the DR, after seeing this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjE_JeIHhXM
Things I learned:
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Guatemala is much safer.
Cuba Dave stopped coming to the DR because of crime, he felt unsafe.
The expats who can leave, have left. Ones who are still there because they have nowhere else to go.
DR is only good for hanging out with the boys.
Rookies beware!! Veterans be very afraid!!Mr. Hobo Traveler has other videos where he talks of listening to other guys at New Garden during breakfast as they talk about the carnal adventures of the previous night. Hobo's attitude in the videos is that of an innocent man tolerating the wackiness of "mongers" while he floats above it all. The guy is either a closet case or a weirdo. His attitude changed after he was beat up in his hotel room. His opinion is far less valuable than most when it comes to Sosua or the Dominican Republic.
I am planning a Colombia and Dominican vacation with time split between the two countries. I am trying to build an itinerary of (NYC area) USA to Medellin to Santiago, DR back to the USA (NYC area).
So far I am at about $2,000 in airfare for the three legs. I have to believe that there is a cheaper regional carrier that goes between Colombia and the Dominican Republic. Any of you Latin America travel vets have any tips? Thanks.
Parkinsons
07-18-15, 02:42
I am planning a Colombia and Dominican vacation with time split between the two countries. I am trying to build an itinerary of (NYC area) USA to Medellin to Santiago, DR back to the USA (NYC area).
So far I am at about $2,000 in airfare for the three legs. I have to believe that there is a cheaper regional carrier that goes between Colombia and the Dominican Republic. Any of you Latin America travel vets have any tips? Thanks.I've been checking airfare every single day, as tickets are just too damn high to the DR this year. So far this is the biggest deterrent for me to travel to the DR, even more so than the possibility of getting cut up like pica pollo and dumped in a barrel.
Anyhow, using google flights and the multi-city feature I was able to find an itinerary from NYC to MDE to STI to NYC at $1,035. About half of what you got, bro. Try it!
Member #4398
07-18-15, 03:32
I am planning a Colombia and Dominican vacation with time split between the two countries. I am trying to build an itinerary of (NYC area) USA to Medellin to Santiago, DR back to the USA (NYC area).
So far I am at about $2,000 in airfare for the three legs. I have to believe that there is a cheaper regional carrier that goes between Colombia and the Dominican Republic. Any of you Latin America travel vets have any tips? Thanks.Lou32,
I don't know when you are planning to travel, but best time to purchase a ticket is before 2 months to one month of the flight. You should try https://www.google.com/flights/ and try different options such as multiple cities or just one way tickets to your first city of destination. For instance, I looked at a flight from NYC JFK to Medellin for $217 with Jet Blue for late August, then a flight with Jetblue from Medellin to Santiago (STI) in early September for $381, and a return to NYC JFK from Santiago (STI) in either Jetblue or Delta for $235. The total for the three one way tickets is of $833. If we meet, You should buy me some Cervezas Presidente with a whole pollo asado and you should also pay me a chica session in Sosua because I just saved you close to 1,200 USD LOL.
I am planning a Colombia and Dominican vacation with time split between the two countries. I am trying to build an itinerary of (NYC area) USA to Medellin to Santiago, DR back to the USA (NYC area).
So far I am at about $2,000 in airfare for the three legs. I have to believe that there is a cheaper regional carrier that goes between Colombia and the Dominican Republic. Any of you Latin America travel vets have any tips? Thanks.$2000 is insane. For that much money, you can go somewhere exotic, like India or Australia. I think that for $2000, you can pretty much go anywhere in the world. Don't waste that kind of money on a triangle path in the Carribean.
A typical round trip flight from NYC to POP is about $650. Jump on anything less than $550. Interestingly, a trip to MDE is a little cheaper even though its alot further, because most of that price is from POP airport taxes. NYC to MDE is typically about $600. Jump on anything under $500.
$2000 is insane. For that much money, you can go somewhere exotic, like India or Australia. I think that for $2000, you can pretty much go anywhere in the world. Don't waste that kind of money on a triangle path in the Carribean.
A typical round trip flight from NYC to POP is about $650. Jump on anything less than $550. Interestingly, a trip to MDE is a little cheaper even though its alot further, because most of that price is from POP airport taxes. NYC to MDE is typically about $600. Jump on anything under $500.The most expensive part seems to be flying from Colombia to the Dominican Republic or flying from the DR to Colombia. Not too many cheap options even though it would be a short flight.
Mr Enternational
07-18-15, 18:35
The most expensive part seems to be flying from Colombia to the Dominican Republic or flying from the DR to Colombia. Not too many cheap options even though it would be a short flight.Start by asking yourself how many Colombians you see in DR or how many Dominicans you see in Colombia. That routing is not feasible and more than likely you will be on Copa stopping in Panama or Costa Rica.
Naked Gunz
07-18-15, 19:31
DR is one of the most dangerous places on earth. Guatemala is much safer.I don't think anybody is paying attention to your post. Especially vets. I have never been to Guatemala, and Sosua reminded me of Baltimore. I don't like to have to watch my back when I'm spending good money propping up the economy. I do agree with this guy that Africa is waaay misunderstood, and I love going to Kenya. The terror attacks have driven the tourist rate down at least 50%, which only means more pussy for me.
He mentioned Black guys are coming down from New York on Jet Blue. SO! Wtf is the point? Maybe it's that street smart brothers are having a ball in DR, but rich white expats are targets. Can't really by that either cause cash in my pocket is just a attractive. The analogy: If you can afford 5* pussy go get it, and don't worry about getting robbed. If you want more affordable don't be surprised that sharks are also in the water looking for a quick meal.
Sosua reminded me of Baltimore..You must have had a riot.
Naked Gunz
07-18-15, 22:12
You must have had a riot.I walked right into that! Naked Gunz lobbing softballs again!
Start by asking yourself how many Colombians you see in DR or how many Dominicans you see in Colombia. That routing is not feasible and more than likely you will be on Copa stopping in Panama or Costa Rica.No, I know that there are little to no relations between Colombia and the Dominican Republic. I was just hoping that there was a route between the two that is somewhat affordable.
RocheBrazi
07-18-15, 23:19
No, I know that there are little to no relations between Colombia and the Dominican Republic. I was just hoping that there was a route between the two that is somewhat affordable.There are for sure flights from Santo Domingo to Bogota for more or less 250 Dollar. But might depend on date you fly and book.
I also checked the Route because in Cali a Pussi is waiting I must fuck once in my life.
RocheBrazi
07-18-15, 23:22
Start by asking yourself how many Colombians you see in DR or how many Dominicans you see in Colombia. That routing is not feasible and more than likely you will be on Copa stopping in Panama or Costa Rica.Theres quite some colombians on vacations in the AI also I meet some Mixed colombian / dominican couples on mi trips. But for sure it is not a route with lot flight traffic. I think copa only fly nonstop Bogota SDQ. All other Airports in both countries goes via Panama City or San Juan that's true.
Parkinsons
07-19-15, 01:03
Theres quite some colombians on vacations in the AI also I meet some Mixed colombian / dominican couples on mi trips. But for sure it is not a route with lot flight traffic. I think copa only fly nonstop Bogota SDQ. All other Airports in both countries goes via Panama City or San Juan that's true.Avianca also flies direct between BOG and SDQ only.
Hey I was waiting on your report on the Telemicro concert. I watched some of it, folks packed like sardines in the audience. Any luck making new contacts with the musica urbana blasting?
BogieMaker
08-30-15, 07:26
Has anyone flown on Condor Airlines out of SDQ?
I am thinking of flying one way to SDQ and then Condor from SDQ to SJO (Costa Rica). This is a direct and cheap flight of $185 which is much better than flying back to Miami or on Copa to Panama and then SJO.
Any feedback would be helpful.
--Thanks.
Parkinsons
09-11-15, 18:22
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-couple-busted-sex-tourism-business-prosecutors-article-1.2356426
Florida couple getting charged in New York for running all-inclusive "Tropical Adults Vacations" in the DR.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-couple-busted-sex-tourism-business-prosecutors-article-1.2356426
Florida couple getting charged in New York for running all-inclusive "Tropical Adults Vacations" in the DR.I suggested this could be an area of potential trouble in a post here not long ago. As usual it was pooh-poohed by the usual experts.
Charles Pooter
09-11-15, 23:07
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-couple-busted-sex-tourism-business-prosecutors-article-1.2356426
Florida couple getting charged in New York for running all-inclusive "Tropical Adults Vacations" in the DR.A warning to those who think that paying three times as much to pimps for an all-inclusive vacation will guarantee them a trouble-free stay. And that is without complicating the situation by adding smoking of illegal herbs.
I will go on picking up Haitian semi- or non-pros. A fraction of the cost and no middle-men involved.
A warning to those who think that paying three times as much to pimps for an all-inclusive vacation will guarantee them a trouble-free stay. And that is without complicating the situation by adding smoking of illegal herbs.
I will go on picking up Haitian semi- or non-pros. A fraction of the cost and no middle-men involved.I believe the word you are reaching for is pimps. Or possibly she-pimps as I understand that one half of the Florida duo is a lady-pimp.
Just because you do not enjoy the affects of nice smoke stop downing and being critical of others. We all make our own decisions. Have some respect for others.
A warning to those who think that paying three times as much to pimps for an all-inclusive vacation will guarantee them a trouble-free stay. And that is without complicating the situation by adding smoking of illegal herbs.
I will go on picking up Haitian semi- or non-pros. A fraction of the cost and no middle-men involved.
Charles Pooter
09-12-15, 02:11
A warning to those who think that paying three times as much to pimps for an all-inclusive vacation will guarantee them a trouble-free stay.
I believe the word you are reaching for is pimps.Started early on the Cuba Libres today, Frannie?
Charles Pooter
09-12-15, 02:33
Just because you do not enjoy the affects of nice smoke stop downing and being critical of others. We all make our own decisions. Have some respect for others.I have no strong feelings about the matter, either way, and did not intend a general criticism of weed smokers. I certainly prefer them to alcoholics.
My comment here was within the context of the current discussion. We have recently had posters who claim that, by paying inflated prices to pimps who will arrange an all-inclusive holiday, they are somehow safer than the rest of us from scams and legal action. The case quoted by Parkinson and the Cuba Dave affair is more evidence of a changing climate whereby these banana republics are (spasmodically) going after those who facilitate prostitution and advertise its availability, no doubt prompted by the US State Department who are their puppet-masters. So the opposite may be the case.
As a result, clients at such locations will be sitting ducks if the authorities do decide to raid. In such a decreasingly unlikely event, do you think that they would overlook the presence of illegal substances? This would only strengthen and justify their action, as did the alleged presence on an under-aged girl when CMP was raided. It would also be a much easier charge to secure a cut-and-dried conviction, and one on which the imprisoned person could expect no help from their consulate.
I was not thinking of those smoking privately in discreet "civilian" locations.
As a result, clients at such locations will be sitting ducks if the authorities do decide to raid. In such a decreasingly unlikely event, do you think that they would overlook the presence of illegal substances? This would only strengthen and justify their action, as did the alleged presence on an under-aged girl when CMP was raided. It would also be a much easier charge to secure a cut-and-dried conviction, and one on which the imprisoned person could expect no help from their consulate.
I was not thinking of those smoking privately in discreet "civilian" locations.I second that Mr. Pooter. The #1 monger / hotel establishment in Medellin Colombia (think Blackbeards in Medellin) was actually raided by militants who held the gringos as hostages but thankfully let them go after extorting money and multiple trips to the ATM. These were not random bandits but people with automatic rifles and organizations with access to combat helicopters and ability to take on the Colombian government. When you stay at such places who openly advertise themselves as famous sex resorts you expose yourself to gangsters as well. This establishment was also been visited by 'honest' local police who searched through guests' rooms, luggage, etc. Looking for weed, drugs, etc. During the time I was there. Personally I am not fazed but I agree that smaller establishments are at lower risk of raids by local gangsters and officials (same thing really).
I suggested this could be an area of potential trouble in a post here not long ago. As usual it was pooh-poohed by the usual experts.I've noticed there seems to be no shortage of experts in this DR forum, on any subject whether girl related or not.
Charles Pooter
09-13-15, 03:36
I've noticed there seems to be no shortage of experts in this DR forum, on any subject whether girl related or not.Yes. We are all experts on everything. That is why the forum makes compelling reading.
Yes. We are all experts on everything. That is why the forum makes compelling reading.I think you meant to say " comepelling " reading?
I've noticed there seems to be no shortage of experts in this DR forum, on any subject whether girl related or not.Neither Frannie nor CP can be classified as experts! I think. ?
But, they both have been, and are, invaluable!
On the hand, Oakie? Well, OKie- Dokie!
Just saying. At least he's got the name going for him!
Mongerman69
09-22-15, 02:03
Wondering anyone has any advice on travel from punta cana to sosua. I m considering flying in on Christmas day which may pose an issue on it s own. Has anyone done the trip recently or have info / contacts for different options for transportation?
Wondering anyone has any advice on travel from punta cana to sosua. I m considering flying in on Christmas day which may pose an issue on it s own. Has anyone done the trip recently or have info / contacts for different options for transportation?Consider flying directly into POP even if it's much more expensive. At best, you have to take 2 buses, one to Santo Domingo and the next to Sosua, loose a day in travel and arrive exhausted or take an extra night in the capital. By the way Christmas time in Sosua is better to be avoided.
Grandnash84
09-22-15, 09:00
By the way Christmas time in Sosua is better to be avoided.I always make a trip the first 2 weeks in Dec. To sosua. Lost of selection and have lots of fun bargining because chicas in need of $$$ for Christmas for their hijos LOL.
My 8 pm cancel but problem. Found a willing sw. She gave good service. Excellent BJ. Afterwards I visited I visited a casa. 4000 pesos in house. I got to say the quality was excellent. All were 7 or above. I was in bed by 12 and sitting in Caribe tours To 5 amm.
My 8 pm cancel but problem. Found a willing sw. She gave good service. Excellent BJ. Afterwards I visited I visited a casa. 4000 pesos in house. I got to say the quality was excellent. All were 7 or above. I was in bed by 12 and sitting in Caribe tours To 5 amm.A veteran going to the DR with only one option? And she backs out. Delete her ass and don't talk to her ass anymore. What happened to all the internet chicas you were setting up pre-trip? A veteran going to SD and paying around 6 k pesos for a SW and Casa girl? Damn.
Next time Sir catch the 7 am metro bus, it makes less stops and gets you closer to Sosua. Hope your trip improves.
A veteran going to the DR with only one option? And she backs out. Delete her ass and don't talk to her ass anymore. What happened to all the internet chicas you were setting up pre-trip? A veteran going to SD and paying around 6 k pesos for a SW and Casa girl? Damn.
Next time Sir catch the 7 am metro bus, it makes less stops and gets you closer to Sosua. Hope your trip improves.True Mr Gogo!
I've learned the hard way that you need to have back up, and back ups for.
Those back ups, and back ups for those former back ups as well.
I try to have them visit me around 2 pm, so if by 3 I have serious doubts then the back up gets triggered!! And if that seems doubtful or complicated the next one gets triggered.
It's always something. Rain, baby sitter or don't have money to come etc etc!
It really requires patience for GFE's and like a sales guy you need to read the tea leaves, and think fast on your feet!
True Mr Gogo!
I've learned the hard way that you need to have back up, and back ups for.
Those back ups, and back ups for those former back ups as well.
I try to have them visit me around 2 pm, so if by 3 I have serious doubts then the back up gets triggered!! And if that seems doubtful or complicated the next one gets triggered.
It's always something. Rain, baby sitter or don't have money to come etc etc!
It really requires patience for GFE's and like a sales guy you need to read the tea leaves, and think fast on your feet!Exactamente señor, "Backups for the backups ". Just joking with you Old Kool, enjoy your trip.
Tempoecorto
09-30-15, 05:00
A little for everyone's viewing pleasure. Sorry about the awkward angles or incomplete views. Which one's your choice?
Member #4398
11-03-15, 22:01
Hey EstebanH how did your blind friend did in Sosua last year with the puta immersion expedition. I bet he did well being that he is a martial artist. Since most drivers are blind in the DR, I want to buy him a motoconcho. No one will notice that he is blind and if he crashes he can kick some ass 😀.
Guys,
I am trying to help a young friend out. He is a 22 year old guy who wants to move to Dominican Republic. He asked me for help because I travel to other parts of central / south America, but I have never been to Dominican Republic. This young guy is very outgoing and resourceful but he is blind. He is also a martial arts expert (trainer) and can handle himself very well (he is actually a deadly guy if he has an issue). He thinks he wants to move to either Santo Domingo, Santiago or Puerto Plata. Ideally, I want to get him set up in a Spanish immersion course (he speaks no Spanish). I think helping place him in a home where they help with the Spanish immersion would probably help. He is a not a monger and wants to find a girl friend.
If any of you guys can help me, I would appreciate it. I would really enjoy speaking with you by phone. Please PM me if you are inclined to help. Thanks in advance!!
Hi all,
Anybody had any luck traveling to the DR and asking Immigration to please not stamp your passport or just stamp on a separate sheet of paper?
Two reasons, one" Prying Eyes" and two, now in the USA they do not issue extra-pages in your passport. You have to apply for a new one at full price.
Thanks in advance.
Durandpaul
12-02-15, 05:49
Hi all,
Anybody had any luck traveling to the DR and asking Immigration to please not stamp your passport or just stamp on a separate sheet of paper?
Two reasons, one" Prying Eyes" and two, now in the USA they do not issue extra-pages in your passport. You have to apply for a new one at full price.
Thanks in advance.I had extra pages added to mine back in May. You can only add extra pages once. You can tell them where you want to put them to put the stamp. Shouldn't be a problem.
K Constant
12-02-15, 06:43
Hi all,
Anybody had any luck traveling to the DR and asking Immigration to please not stamp your passport or just stamp on a separate sheet of paper?
Two reasons, one" Prying Eyes" and two, now in the USA they do not issue extra-pages in your passport. You have to apply for a new one at full price.
Thanks in advance.I'd be wary of not having your passport stamped by DR immigration. It's a visa and represents your permission to enter the country and proof that you exited the country in a timely and proper way.
Good news! According to the USA State Dept website: "Beginning January 1, 2016 we will discontinue the service of adding additional visa pages to USA Passports. Requests for additional visa pages may only be submitted until December 31,2015.
Passport holders in need of additional space in their passports will need to renew their passports by mail using form DS-82. If you renew your passport from outside of the United States you will automatically be issued a larger 52-page book. If you renew your passport within the United States, please indicate your preference for a 28-page or 52-page book by checking the appropriate box at the top of the form. There is no fee difference for book sizes. ".
Parkinsons
12-02-15, 14:21
Hi all,
Two reasons, one" Prying Eyes" and two, now in the USA they do not issue extra-pages in your passport. You have to apply for a new one at full price.
Thanks in advance.Supposedly you can obtain a duplicate passport, I. E. Having two passport books concurrently. This will solve your "prying eyes" problem. One you can show the wife and one where the DR Colombia Thailand Philippines stamps go.
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/obtain-duplicate-passport-60991.html
Thanks, T. Number 1 is my favorite shot but they're all nice.
A little for everyone's viewing pleasure. Sorry about the awkward angles or incomplete views. Which one's your choice?.
Supposedly you can obtain a duplicate passport, I. E. Having two passport books concurrently. This will solve your "prying eyes" problem. One you can show the wife and one where the DR Colombia Thailand Philippines stamps go.
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/obtain-duplicate-passport-60991.htmlThanks Parkinsons.
It's my understanding to get a second passport you need to present a travel ticket to an area that would cause problems, IE, Israel or a Middle East country? I do not think they would give me a second passport for going to the DR, Colombia, ect. Anybody had any luck getting a second passport with presenting a ticket going to a tourist destination?
Thanks for everyones responses, much appreciated.
I use two cellular phones in DR, Galaxy S3 and Iphone 3. I 've got Sim Card for Iphone 3 long time ago at Claro in Santo Domingo airport and for Galaxy S3 a few months ago at Claro within la Sirena in Puerto Plata. I had a date last night and she did not show up. I called her and call did not go through same with text. I thought that I ran out of minutes. I rush to get minutes and she could not charge, there was something wrong she could not figure out. I bought minutes for back up Iphone 3. It was charged but calls did not go through. I went to claro within la sirena in Puerto Plata and I was told that I have a bad sim card. She wanted to give me a new sim card with new number. I did not want to get a new number and I went to main claro store next day. I was told that both phones were not under my name. The owner of phone number of Galaxy S3 called last night and cancelled everything and I could not keep the same number since I was not officially owner of the phone according to claro. There was no other option but to get a new sim card and number. Same with Iphone 3, it was not under my name. She corrected both. I strongly recommend everybody to check on the screen to make sure phone is registered under their name when they get a new sim card. They ask the passport and check everything but then use a local person's name to register the phone for whatever reason. Be aware.
Tempoecorto
12-03-15, 18:26
Thanks, T. Number 1 is my favorite shot but they're all nice..Good choice! 19 and 5'8".
Tempoecorto
12-04-15, 00:54
I just told passport office in Washington state that I was going to Israel and then later to Saudi on business. No problem.That is a classic. Saudi Arabia would not permit visitors with Israel entry stamps. It has not changed in at least twenty years, looks like.
I use two cellular phones in DR, Galaxy S3 and Iphone 3. I 've got Sim Card for Iphone 3 long time ago at Claro in Santo Domingo airport and for Galaxy S3 a few months ago at Claro within la Sirena in Puerto Plata. I had a date last night and she did not show up. I called her and call did not go through same with text. I thought that I ran out of minutes. I rush to get minutes and she could not charge, there was something wrong she could not figure out. I bought minutes for back up Iphone 3. It was charged but calls did not go through. I went to claro within la sirena in Puerto Plata and I was told that I have a bad sim card. She wanted to give me a new sim card with new number. I did not want to get a new number and I went to main claro store next day. I was told that both phones were not under my name. The owner of phone number of Galaxy S3 called last night and cancelled everything and I could not keep the same number since I was not officially owner of the phone according to claro. There was no other option but to get a new sim card and number. Same with Iphone 3, it was not under my name. She corrected both. I strongly recommend everybody to check on the screen to make sure phone is registered under their name when they get a new sim card. They ask the passport and check everything but then use a local person's name to register the phone for whatever reason. Be aware.Mr. Ozzie,
I have not had that experience. I purchased a phone with a SIM card when I arrived in the DR for the first time. When I returned three years later I had lost my old phone. But I had a new unlocked Iphone 5's. They had the record of my old SIM card in their files. They issued me a new one without any problem. It was issued in my name. And yes I had to show my passport.
I use Orange. It is well known that Claro is very expensive for prepaid minutes. Most people here use Claro to purchase expense smart phones, internet and cable. On average I spend 1000 pesos every other month. I spend 900 pesos a month on a contract hot spot with them that gives me 5 G of data. I've never ran out of data. And the speed is fast enough to make a internet phone call. Next month I'm going to upgrade to a unlimited data plan at a faster speed for 1200 pesos a month.
PM me if you have any more questions.
I have been exclusively doing the DR for the last 5 years. I am considering making a move to another latin country. I would like some suggestions. First my thoughts on options. Cuba is opening but there are restrictions because the activity it is not legal. Brazil is awesome but the cost is twice what I normally pay. Costa Rico was in the running but they just locked up Cuba Dave for some BS. That leaves Panama and Columbia. I would love some input from the guys.
I have been exclusively doing the DR for the last 5 years. I am considering making a move to another latin country. I would like some suggestions. First my thoughts on options. Cuba is opening but there are restrictions because the activity it is not legal. Brazil is awesome but the cost is twice what I normally pay. Costa Rico was in the running but they just locked up Cuba Dave for some BS. That leaves Panama and Columbia. I would love some input from the guys.Sounds like you have already talked yourself out of the other spots. Panama is ruined because they use the American dollar, and its "Colombia" not Columbia, that's the first lesson Old Kool. I would suggest you wait about a year because Brazil will be through with the Olympics and they might be back to re-claim their crown. The American election will be over in about a year and everyone will have a clearer view about the future of Cuba. In 5 years of the DR, Sosua is still a good option for guys who haven't taken the time to explore other parts of the island. SD is still tough but has its rewards, same with Santiago. The challenge about Cuba is that it does have restrictions, but the girls are beautiful and horny and some of the best fuckers (along with the Haitians) North of the equator. If you are expecting another Sosua and aren't willing to challenge yourself and not make excuses, why bother brother?
Hi Old Kool, I appreciate your need to sexperiment in different countries. Certainly there are many experienced mongers who specialize in the countries you mentioned. I've been to Rio, Panama, Curacao, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Tijuana many times, and now DR 2 X and going back in October. From what I've read in the forum Colombia is top billing and Cuba is also a good time based on low cost / high GFE. Both are on my bucket list. You might also want to go East to Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia and / or Indonesia. Mmmmmm good. I'm going to try to make one trip to Southeast Asia and another one to the Caribbean / South America as long as I can. Cheers.
I have been exclusively doing the DR for the last 5 years. I am considering making a move to another latin country. I would like some suggestions. First my thoughts on options. Cuba is opening but there are restrictions because the activity it is not legal. Brazil is awesome but the cost is twice what I normally pay. Costa Rico was in the running but they just locked up Cuba Dave for some BS. That leaves Panama and Columbia. I would love some input from the guys..
I have been exclusively doing the DR for the last 5 years. I am considering making a move to another latin country. I would like some suggestions. First my thoughts on options. Cuba is opening but there are restrictions because the activity it is not legal. Brazil is awesome but the cost is twice what I normally pay. Costa Rico was in the running but they just locked up Cuba Dave for some BS. That leaves Panama and Columbia. I would love some input from the guys.I would recommend Puert Barrios, Guatemala. If you been doing DR all those years, your Spanish must be serviceable. Puerto Barrios is very cheap, lots of bars full of pretty girl's and a couple full on working girl homes. I'm thinking of going there next year myself. I wanted to go to Cuba but sounds like it is already has some changes I don't like. Good luck.
Lonely.
I have been exclusively doing the DR for the last 5 years. I am considering making a move to another latin country. I would like some suggestions. First my thoughts on options. Cuba is opening but there are restrictions because the activity it is not legal. Brazil is awesome but the cost is twice what I normally pay. Costa Rico was in the running but they just locked up Cuba Dave for some BS. That leaves Panama and Columbia. I would love some input from the guys.For the money, Colombia is a good choice right now. When I went, 16 months ago, the exchange rate was 2000 pesos per dollar. Right now it's almost 3300/ dollar.
I'm uncertain what the chica rates are right now, but escort agency prices start at around 150,000 pesos / hour, about $45. I figure the lower end girls off the street at 1/2 escort service price and the average girls at 2/3 (just my rough estimate). This should give prices comparable to Sosua.
The top mongering spot in Colombia is Medellin, it's famous for the casas. The climate is supposed to be reasonable, altitude is 4900', population about 4 million.
Probably the top beachfront with mongering available, is Cartagena, population about 1 million. Climate should be similar to Sosua, but it is not a point and shoot environment. Your Cupid skills might work well for you there.
Bogota is the only place I visited. It's a major city, census figures say 8 million, locals estimate 11 to 12 million people. The Santa Fe area in Bogota is the Zona de Tolerencia, basically no enforcement of prostitution laws in that area.
Any big city comes with a certain amount of crime. There are are 3 special threats, besides the basic mugging, to watch for in Bogota.
First is Scopolamine, falls under the category of a date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug. It gets slipped into unattended food or drink and the victim wakes up the next day with wallet missing, often while under the influence the person will also make a few large ATM withdrawals as well.
Second is the "Million peso taxi ride. " The unsuspecting tourist flags down a taxi, after getting in, the driver makes an unscheduled stop to pick up an armed accomplice. They then take them around to different ATMs to make withdrawals. After maxing out, they dump the victim, and there's definitely a risk of violence.
The other is a basic scam. One or more people approach the tourist pretending to be police. They ask for ID, then ask to see the victim's money, to check for counterfeit bills. They arrested some people working this scam at the airport last year.
It's not too difficult to protect yourself. Eat in reputable places and don't leave your drink unattended, especially in a strip club. Only use taxis that you called, or had called by your hotel. The taxi company will give you the cab number or license number. For the last, remember the police are all in uniform and carry guns.
The one problem with Bogota is the altitude. At 8600' you will get winded a lot easier. I didn't have any problems with normal walking, just slowed down a bit, but walking uphill was a struggle. On the plus side, it means an almost perfect climate. Daytime highs in the 70's, nighttime lows about 50. Very few places have either heating or air conditioning, no need for it. It also has a 12 hour day, year round, sunrise at 6 am, sunset at 6 pm.
Bogota is mostly a well-dressed city, polite and cultured city. It's nightlife ranks up there with some of the top spots in the world. Plenty of big upscale discos, or good brew pubs. Food is also world class and prices are reasonable. Public transportation is cheap and easy, but is best avoided during rush hour. Start with a full bus, then triple the number of people, imagine 12 people in a Corolla and you get the idea.
As a bonus, it's okay to drink the water.
Parkinsons
01-07-16, 19:52
I would recommend Puert Barrios, Guatemala. If you been doing DR all those years, your Spanish must be serviceable. Puerto Barrios is very cheap, lots of bars full of pretty girl's and a couple full on working girl homes. I'm thinking of going there next year myself. I wanted to go to Cuba but sounds like it is already has some changes I don't like. Good luck.
Lonely.Good info. Damn I wished I pulled the trigger on the ultra cheap airfare yesterday - $125 RT from the east coast to Guatemala City!
Tempoecorto
01-07-16, 22:54
Good info. Damn I wished I pulled the trigger on the ultra cheap airfare yesterday - $125 RT from the east coast to Guatemala City!What are the sites you check to find such outrageously cheap prices?
A gentleman from Guatemala works for me sometimes. He says Puert barrio is a nice safe place and has a beach as well. That sound like a nice option.
I would recommend Puert Barrios, Guatemala. If you been doing DR all those years, your Spanish must be serviceable. Puerto Barrios is very cheap, lots of bars full of pretty girl's and a couple full on working girl homes. I'm thinking of going there next year myself. I wanted to go to Cuba but sounds like it is already has some changes I don't like. Good luck.
Lonely.
A gentleman from Guatemala works for me sometimes. He says Puert barrio is a nice safe place and has a beach as well. That sound like a nice option.Kool I have been to Colombia and Cuba 2 x last year. Each one of them having different flavors. Colombia give you accessibility with pros. For a smaller price than the average Chica in the DR, you can get you a pro from the streets or in the Casa in Medellin. You might have to wait to the next man is finished but that's how they get down. It's a very big city that you can't control or structure in. The Colombians are not starving. The semi pro or Chica looking to make some extra money because she has no other source of income is mute. However, there's an Asian blend with the population that adds another dimension or variation of beauty to the Colombians. Be ready for a lot of silicone enhanced Chicas. You love to interact with the locals doing you're dancing and flirting thing. There's not a lot of interacting with the Colombians in the DR fashion. The hotel rooms are not set up for a basic traveler. Frig, safe, and AC are not in the many hotels that I have seen. After leaving there I was not in a rush to go back. But the marijuana is decent and accessible. (sorry I am thinking about myself) 😁
Cuba is a bird of a different feather as far as Chica accessibility. The police are constantly hot on the Chica Trail and the girls are very cautious. The pros want more dineros. You will definitely need someone to show you around. The women remind you of the chicas in the DR, however, in my opinion they have more class and are more educated. And a very sexy walk. They are behind in technology. Leave your laptop at home because you can't set up a lot of predates. There is no constant Wi-Fi accessibility You will have a lot of small places to go and dance with the locals. They will love your southern hospitality. The Chica prices can range from 10 - 100. The airfare can be sometimes as twice as much as Colombia.
I am going to start looking at Guatemala myself. Mr Gogo said it best. After three times of going to the DR. You need a switch up.
I am one month away from flying into SD. I have been working Cupid and have non pros lined up. I think I will do the little sister of one of my old girlfriends on my first night in SD. She is a lot of fun. We will go to the mall, movie and dancing. I have 2 very strong backups waiting in the wings. SD is not a great place to look for action unless you like Casas which I do not. For girls not from SD it is exciting and fun being there. Day 2 is wide open either spending one more day in SD or head to Sosua in the morning. Having a girl I know on the first night for GFE is great way to start my vacation. After SD spending the weekend in Sosua s a treat. The beach and clubs are at their best.
Has anyone flown a Dominicana to the USA? I can't seen to find out how a Dominicana can come to the USA On the State Department website. Thanks for any replies. No, I don't want to, arry her, just have some fun for a couple of weeks with her here.
Dominicans need Visas to come to the USA. Work and study visas can be had with some trouble but travel for leisure requires assurance that the citizen will come back. The must show they have money, home and jobs. Things that tha a verGE Dominican can not show.
Has anyone flown a Dominicana to the USA? I can't seen to find out how a Dominicana can come to the USA On the State Department website. Thanks for any replies. No, I don't want to, arry her, just have some fun for a couple of weeks with her here.
Jewel Thief
01-18-16, 07:35
Just got back from 8 days in Guatemala, Guatemala city has some good clubs but the rate is about $115 at the top places (Club Madonna, Elite, LE Club) and the lower places (Scort21, Mens, LadyVip) had too many guys and mostly heavier woman. If you like heavier women, these places were good, with rates of 200 Quetzal for a half hour (7. 55 Quetzal to the dollar on my trip) and 400 for the hour. There were working girls in the street from 200 to 300 Quetzals, some thin spinners but some were tranny's. Madonna had the best talent if you like tall, thin, small breasts (that's what I like). The rooms were exceptional, king sized beds, nice showered baths, so for $115 not a bad value but I prefer Nicaragua or Costa Rica or Medellin for value. The girls were not aggressive like Columbian women can be but I suggest if you go to LE club, Elite, Moulin Rouge or Madonna that you take your time, check out the dancers, get the one you want, not the one who sits down with you from the manager. I waited for about 30 minutes while they kept sitting down girls wanting me to buy them drinks, I said I was just there to see the show, once the good one appeared I asked the waiter and she was next to me as soon as her dance ended. The bars in Guate city close at 5 am.
If in Antigua, there's a small town just to the north called Jocotenango where there are three clubs with girls, one is Divas, the second is Divas 2 and the third is Zodiaca. Divas 2 was the best, about 10 girls working on a Thursday night, 2 were outstanding including Wendy who was willing to go the Puerto San Jose (a coastal town about 90 minutes away) where I had a beach time share at Soliel. She has to pay the house 200 quetzal to leave and I paid her another 800 for overnight service, small, tight, great body, nice small nipples, great time, no anal but would let me finger her ahole a bit. Zodiaca is more like a local bar where girls come to work, kind of rough around the edges but I found one great girl there too, took her back to my hotel in Antigua for $300 quetzal where she spent the night (about $50). I do speak pretty fluent Spanish which helps. These bars close at 3:00 am.
In Puerto San Jose there are two clubs, San Diegos and Millenio. San Diego has a stage with pole and show, Millenio's more like a working girl house bar with DJ, both directly across the street from each other so super convenient. I felt safe but the rooms at both were pretty close to gross. Again worth scoping to get a woman out of the bar the following day. Bar closed at 1:00 am in Puerto.
In Chimiltenango there's a block of plain old working girl houses, many with Mayan women but some with some nice spanish spinners. The rate there was 50 to 60 Quetzal (less than $10) but kind of sleezy. I was fooled by one Tranny who wanted to only give me a BJ. When I asked to have her take off her clothes, I realized what the deal was. First time that's happened to me. I spend lots of time in San Jose CR and Managua and never been fooled so well. The places in Chimiltenango are right on the highway, where the turn to Antigua is from the turn to Guatemala City. You will see an entire block full of doors with girls in them. One block over to the east, toward the park, is another entire block of working girls. These clubs are mostly frequented by Guatemalans who drink beer and look at the girls, buying them drinks with an occasional taking one to the rooms. This is a pretty rough side of Guatemala so do be aware.
All in all I would not go again, I really like Managua for clubs like Good Times, much cuter girls, cheaper too. Guatemala city girls were expensive and not that good. I prefer the Del Rey or VIPS, or Magaritas in San Jose or the Venetto in Panama City. The cheapest girls I've ever found in this part of the world were in Quito, which has some great clubs, not the ones frequented by gringos driven by cab who ask about girls but rather the ones frequented by Ecuadorians, club red, cats, or the ones by the airport (don't remember their names. These were great, lots of girls, $20 for sex, no anal but BJ and good old "cuatro a cuatro" (doggie style) and of course regular old sex. I liked the GFE in panama best, some of the cuban or columbian girls but now the Veneto has been charging them something like $25 to enter the casino. Try some of the other clubs. Like Havanas or look on this forum under Panama City. There's also a guy Eric who advertises heavily on Craigslist in Panama who has some decent girls who work for longer than the club girls.
Thanks for your response, Old Kool. I'm not sure what you mean by verGE. She has a job and is a student but (or so she says) but probably not a home owner. Has anyone reading this successfully acquired a leisure visa for their special Dominicana?
Dominicans need Visas to come to the USA. Work and study visas can be had with some trouble but travel for leisure requires assurance that the citizen will come back. The must show they have money, home and jobs. Things that tha a verGE Dominican can not show..
All in all I would not go again, I really like Managua for clubs like Good Times, much cuter girls, cheaper too. Guatemala city girls were expensive and not that good. I prefer the Del Rey or VIPS, or Magaritas in San Jose or the Venetto in Panama City. The cheapest girls I've ever found in this part of the world were in Quito, which has some great clubs, not the ones frequented by gringos driven by cab who ask about girls but rather the ones frequented by Ecuadorians, club red, cats, or the ones by the airport (don't remember their names. These were great, lots of girls, $20 for sex, no anal but BJ and good old "cuatro a cuatro" (doggie style) and of course regular old sex. I liked the GFE in panama best, some of the cuban or columbian girls but now the Veneto has been charging them something like $25 to enter the casino. Try some of the other clubs. Like Havanas or look on this forum under Panama City. There's also a guy Eric who advertises heavily on Craigslist in Panama who has some decent girls who work for longer than the club girls.Much respect to you jewel thief. Thank you for taking your time out 2 posts a trip report. Its guys like you that makes me happy I'm join this forum. How much was the plane ticket to Guatemala. How far of a distance did you had to travel from one area to another. Were there any dark complexion chicas there. How was the food. You said the hotel's ran for about $115. How's the infrastructure of the buildings and was Wi-Fi available to you. Or the rooms built for your basic mongering. Once again thank you for your trip report.
Thanks for your response, Old Kool. I'm not sure what you mean by verGE. She has a job and is a student but (or so she says) but probably not a home owner. Has anyone reading this successfully acquired a leisure visa for their special Dominicana?
.Probably means "average".
These are my chicas for sd. One non pro , one former pro and a semi pro. Can you guys guess which one is what. All 3 girls are available for me. The former pro is the back up. I like GFE which makes the other 2 a better optionfor me.
I am one month away from flying into SD. I have been working Cupid and have non pros lined up. I think I will do the little sister of one of my old girlfriends on my first night in SD. She is a lot of fun. We will go to the mall, movie and dancing. I have 2 very strong backups waiting in the wings. SD is not a great place to look for action unless you like Casas which I do not. For girls not from SD it is exciting and fun being there. Day 2 is wide open either spending one more day in SD or head to Sosua in the morning. Having a girl I know on the first night for GFE is great way to start my vacation. After SD spending the weekend in Sosua s a treat. The beach and clubs are at their best.
These are my chicas for sd. One non pro , one former pro and a semi pro. Can you guys guess which one is what. All 3 girls are available for me. The former pro is the back up. I like GFE which makes the other 2 a better optionfor me.1st picture Non-pro.
2nd Semi pro.
3rd Former pro.
These are my chicas for sd. One non pro , one former pro and a semi pro. Can you guys guess which one is what. All 3 girls are available for me. The former pro is the back up. I like GFE which makes the other 2 a better optionfor me.First picture Pro.
Second picture Pro.
Third picture Pro.
These are my chicas for sd. One non pro , one former pro and a semi pro. Can you guys guess which one is what. All 3 girls are available for me. The former pro is the back up. I like GFE which makes the other 2 a better optionfor me.1st Former Pro.
2nd Non-Pro.
3rd Semi-Pro.
Marc Anthony
01-20-16, 04:32
Thanks for your response, Old Kool. I'm not sure what you mean by verGE. She has a job and is a student but (or so she says) but probably not a home owner. Has anyone reading this successfully acquired a leisure visa for their special Dominicana?
.I'm pretty sure that was the spellcheck mangling "average". Any chica that we'd normally be likely to hook up with in the DR wouldn't meet the standards for a tourist visa. They'd have to be high income and set by Dominican standards.
If you like her that much why not go on vacation with her there? Travel in the DR. Stay at an AI resort with her.
In the DR there is much nuance with girls. Their culture allows them to be with a man for financial gain and not be a puta. The 1st girl is from De Macoris. Not a hot spot for putas. I give her the semi pro title because she sent a naked picture to seal the deal. We have never meant but I want the pussy. 2 works in a hospital and is sweet as sweet as can be. She struggles like most DR chicas but is very proud. She is great fun on dates makes me feel like she is my girl. Number 3 lives in SD but I met her on Cupid 3 years ago when she worked in Sosua. I have never hit but we talk on whatsapp. She is my back up. EX pro. I have a few bones to pick with you. I set you up with for a quality 3 some and you did not reciprocate.
First picture Pro.
Second picture Pro.
Third picture Pro.
Grandnash84
01-20-16, 06:28
First picture Pro.
Second picture Pro.
Third picture Pro.Made me chuckle LOL.
Yes, I guess that will have to be the Plan be.
I'm pretty sure that was the spellcheck mangling "average". Any chica that we'd normally be likely to hook up with in the DR wouldn't meet the standards for a tourist visa. They'd have to be high income and set by Dominican standards.
If you like her that much why not go on vacation with her there? Travel in the DR. Stay at an AI resort with her..
In the DR there is much nuance with girls. Their culture allows them to be with a man for financial gain and not be a puta. The 1st girl is from De Macoris. Not a hot spot for putas. I give her the semi pro title because she sent a naked picture to seal the deal. We have never meant but I want the pussy. 2 works in a hospital and is sweet as sweet as can be. She struggles like most DR chicas but is very proud. She is great fun on dates makes me feel like she is my girl. Number 3 lives in SD but I met her on Cupid 3 years ago when she worked in Sosua. I have never hit but we talk on whatsapp. She is my back up. EX pro. I have a few bones to pick with you. I set you up with for a quality 3 some and you did not reciprocate.Wow it's amusing how you give a bye to some of these chicas I would label pros. Especially the young lady whom you've never met but the send a naked picture to you to secure a sexual business transaction. You don't consider her a pro. The Chica that has been working in Sosua for years. You don't consider her a pro. Most of us know that a chica is not going to last very long in Sosua unless she's very young. If you're 30 it's hard to compete with a 19 year old. It's amazing how a thousand dicks in your pussy archives will drain your youth.
The girl who sent picture lives in a relatively small DR town. She does not get a lot of action. She is not sucking dick everyday. She has been out of work for several months and like many DR girls is struggling to make ends meet. IMHO she is not a pro. The one who lived in Sosua was a pro but now has a job and lives in SD. She is not in the streets but will turn a trick when the opportunity avails. I make the distinctions between the girls and their life styles.
Wow it's amusing how you give a bye to some of these chicas I would label pros. Especially the young lady whom you've never met but the send a naked picture to you to secure a sexual business transaction. You don't consider her a pro. The Chica that has been working in Sosua for years. You don't consider her a pro. Most of us know that a chica is not going to last very long in Sosua unless she's very young. If you're 30 it's hard to compete with a 19 year old. It's amazing how a thousand dicks in your pussy archives will drain your youth.
The girl who sent picture lives in a relatively small DR town. She does not get a lot of action. She is not sucking dick everyday. She has been out of work for several months and like many DR girls is struggling to make ends meet. IMHO she is not a pro. The one who lived in Sosua was a pro but now has a job and lives in SD. She is not in the streets but will turn a trick when the opportunity avails. I make the distinctions between the girls and their life styles.As always I respect your position. The concept of non pro semi pro and pro is all in the buyer's terminology. But being a devil's advocate I must say; I have a friend who profession is an Auto Body mechanic. He trained people in a local shop for 3 years. Business went south due to competition. He now works with me and does bodywork on the side. Does that mean he's no longer a professional. Hmm. And you say you have never met this girl but you're giving us a total layout of her daily activities. Hmm Ok yeah my chica say she really love me. Honestly. Then I asked her what was my birthday or my favorite color. 😱.
In the DR there is much nuance with girls. Their culture allows them to be with a man for financial gain and not be a puta. The 1st girl is from De Macoris. Not a hot spot for putas. I give her the semi pro title because she sent a naked picture to seal the deal. We have never meant but I want the pussy. 2 works in a hospital and is sweet as sweet as can be. She struggles like most DR chicas but is very proud. She is great fun on dates makes me feel like she is my girl. Number 3 lives in SD but I met her on Cupid 3 years ago when she worked in Sosua. I have never hit but we talk on whatsapp. She is my back up. EX pro. I have a few bones to pick with you. I set you up with for a quality 3 some and you did not reciprocate.Frannie does make a subtle point, one that's been discussed here several times. At what point does it become prostitution? Obviously the girl on the Malecon trying to get 1500 pesos meets the conditions, but what about the girl with a job who knows a date will either get her some spending money, or some gifts that might be out of her budget? Or even dinner at a place she can't afford. Nothing against any of your girls, but I assume each of them has some ulterior motive for accepting your invitation.
Which de Macoris is one from, San Pedro or San Francisco? San Francisco isn't a very big place, but I believe San Pedro is the 4th largest city in the DR. I wasn't too impressed with it, but I didn't explore much either.
When you meet a person their character becomes clear working girls or not. I do not due casas but will do a SW.
I prefer to get GFE treatment when possible but do enjoy sport fucking as a change.
Frannie does make a subtle point, one that's been discussed here several times. At what point does it become prostitution? Obviously the girl on the Malecon trying to get 1500 pesos meets the conditions, but what about the girl with a job who knows a date will either get her some spending money, or some gifts that might be out of her budget? Or even dinner at a place she can't afford. Nothing against any of your girls, but I assume each of them has some ulterior motive for accepting your invitation.
Which de Macoris is one from, San Pedro or San Francisco? San Francisco isn't a very big place, but I believe San Pedro is the 4th largest city in the DR. I wasn't too impressed with it, but I didn't explore much either.
The girl who sent picture lives in a relatively small DR town. She does not get a lot of action. She is not sucking dick everyday. She has been out of work for several months and like many DR girls is struggling to make ends meet. IMHO she is not a pro. The one who lived in Sosua was a pro but now has a job and lives in SD. She is not in the streets but will turn a trick when the opportunity avails. I make the distinctions between the girls and their life styles.I don't think you can tell how many times a week she sucks dick from what she tells you online. She may not be truthful. How exactly is she making ends meet? If you are going to pay her, then she is a prostitute. If she is hooking up with you for paid sex, it is quite likely she is doing it with other men. So she is engaging in prostitution on the Internet. In fact she even has a nude photo to send out as promotional material. Given the large age difference, it is unlikely she is looking for a romantic relationship. Also she has told you that San Pedro de Macoris is a small place, which it is not. Actually many prostitutes come from there.
Tempoecorto
01-21-16, 03:32
I don't think you can tell how many times a week she sucks dick from what she tells you online. For me, this conversation about pro, semi, non etc, is mental masturbation. They are all on the same continuum, albeit at different location.
To Oldkool's point though, I do see a difference. The pros are way too jaded. The others, depending on various factors including how your relationship is, could very well be kind of more intimate, in that the sex might be much more than the mechanics. Also such women, not having sex that frequently may enjoy it as much. I certainly have had such experiences. Finally, I also know of women who would not solicit directly but they might not be indifferent to seeing others unknown to them because of reference. I know such women who I recommended they meet people I know, because of their trust, needless to say, without I working as a chulo.
One more from San pedro. Cupid is being very good to me. I need to vet this one but she sent me 20 pictures and has a Skype account. A solid 9 IMHO. Pro or non pro don't give shit. I may not go to Sosua at all. I have some serious talent coming to SD.
Cupid has a huge variety of women waiting to meet men. Everything from church girls to hard core hoochies. You have to determine what kind of women you want. Many of us are confused. Do not expect a church girl fuck like a hoochie. I have found that some of the ex hardcore girls have given me the best performances and do not try to tie you down. I am looking for a fuck buddy not a girlfriend. I use whatap and Skype to vet. I spoke to the chica in the foto below on Skype this morning. I verified that she was the girl in the pictures she sent me. She was in the bed covered by the sheet very sexy. I discussed what she expected from me. Nothing crazy is being asked so it is on.
For me, this conversation about pro, semi, non etc, is mental masturbation. They are all on the same continuum, albeit at different location.
To Oldkool's point though, I do see a difference. The pros are way too jaded. The others, depending on various factors including how your relationship is, could very well be kind of more intimate, in that the sex might be much more than the mechanics. Also such women, not having sex that frequently may enjoy it as much. I certainly have had such experiences. Finally, I also know of women who would not solicit directly but they might not be indifferent to seeing others unknown to them because of reference. I know such women who I recommended they meet people I know, because of their trust, needless to say, without I working as a chulo.I don't disagree with you. I agree that women who are not having frequent sex or highly experienced may get more aroused. I like to have them in a new situation, for example first threesome. I just think that it is meaningless to try to classify Internet contacts you have never met. If they are being fucked by their uncle or neighbor, they probably won't tell you.
The only thing that really counts is the chemistry between the sheets, so I would work on that. But I would think that if one goes into it with a "hit that pussy" mindset, you probably won't get GFE. In fact I think it would be hard to get GFE if you make it too clear that you don't want a GF.
Uk visitors be advised when paying for your tourist card online through the DR embassy in London you will be charged 10 add 3 for postage and not the dollar rate as indicated online by the UK Foreign Office. With the logic of Dominican officialdom being that $10 = UK 10 LOL.
Software keeps changing the value input. Puts me off posting, very fustrating.
Tempoecorto
01-21-16, 23:04
I just think that it is meaningless to try to classify Internet contacts you have never met. Could not agree more and indeed, also had agreed with your rhetorical classification of all three as pros, and true, in my humble opinion, across the globe without putting women down anywhere.
These girls have very hard lives. Most struggle to get enough food for their families. I have respect and affection for some. If you play your cards right you can be more then a john. However if all you want is a johns relationship more power to you. I get nothing out of that. That is why I avoid casas. That is not how I roll. Dealing with internet girls is about building repore. Knowing their deep dark secrets is not important. However being comfortable with one another turns a mash and dash into a memorable experience. The more I do this the more I desire quality over quantity.
Could not agree more and indeed, also had agreed with your rhetorical classification of all three as pros, and true, in my humble opinion, across the globe without putting women down anywhere.
These girls have very hard lives. Most struggle to get enough food for their families. I have respect and affection for some. If you play your cards right you can be more then a john. However if all you want is a johns relationship more power to you. I get nothing out of that. That is why I avoid casas. That is not how I roll. Dealing with internet girls is about building repore. Knowing their deep dark secrets is not important. However being comfortable with one another turns a mash and dash into a memorable experience. The more I do this the more I desire quality over quantity.It's not so much being cold as it is being realistic, with a dash of cynicism.
There are several businesses where I'm a regular customer, most of the women who work in these places always act happy to see me. They smile and wave when I walk in, they take a few seconds to chat with me. Part of it may be because I'm charming and handsome, but mostly it's because they know I will treat them right. If they have a gripe, I'll listen, if they have good news, I'll congratulate them, if they need advice, I'll give it. And I do all of that without hitting on them or trying to make a move. For those brief moments I'm giving them something valuable and that's a big reason why they act the way they do.
If I acted like the average customer, I'd get treated like an average customer.
You treat your chicas right. You take them out, dance with them and give them something they probably don't get very often, so they give you a better time than they might give someone else.
But, in the end, they aren't coming to see you for your looks or charm, those are just bonuses. They're coming to see you to get something they want or need.
It's not so much being cold as it is being realistic, with a dash of cynicism.
There are several businesses where I'm a regular customer, most of the women who work in these places always act happy to see me. They smile and wave when I walk in, they take a few seconds to chat with me. Part of it may be because I'm charming and handsome, but mostly it's because they know I will treat them right. If they have a gripe, I'll listen, if they have good news, I'll congratulate them, if they need advice, I'll give it. And I do all of that without hitting on them or trying to make a move. For those brief moments I'm giving them something valuable and that's a big reason why they act the way they do.
If I acted like the average customer, I'd get treated like an average customer.
You treat your chicas right. You take them out, dance with them and give them something they probably don't get very often, so they give you a better time than they might give someone else.
But, in the end, they aren't coming to see you for your looks or charm, those are just bonuses. They're coming to see you to get something they want or need.We tend to grow and with experience think we don't have to go through the preliminaries. But the key to enjoying the experience is enjoying the experience, short cuts come with us getting hardened. With that said, I'm with Old Kool because keeping it new and fresh is what veterans like myself tend to take for granted as we become seasoned. The vets might pass on a hidden gem because they misread the signs or lack patience, therefore holding out for a guaranteed thing. Its all a fantasy and a game we play but really how many vets find what they desire with one chica?
We tend to grow and with experience think we don't have to go through the preliminaries. But the key to enjoying the experience is enjoying the experience, short cuts come with us getting hardened. With that said, I'm with Old Kool because keeping it new and fresh is what veterans like myself tend to take for granted as we become seasoned. The vets might pass on a hidden gem because they misread the signs or lack patience, therefore holding out for a guaranteed thing. Its all a fantasy and a game we play but really how many vets find what they desire with one chica?I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I just see things differently.
Everyone's decisions are based on a perception of profit. You might pass up a 10 for an 8, because you believe the 8 will give you a better experience. A chica might pass you by and come to me because she thinks I'll pay more, or because she figures she can get the leche quick and come back for more. Or she might figure I won't wear her out, or stretch her out.
From the hardest pro to the most innocent church girl, if she's spending time with someone, it's because she sees some profit. Everyone throws "what's in it for me" into the decision. If you're going after the hidden gems it's because you value the conquest over the sex.
Tempoecorto
01-22-16, 18:51
You guys seem very cold.You are reading too much into this. Their lives are hard. Indeed the least one can do hence, especially one with your apparent abilities to build "rapport", is to categorize them, pros or otherwise.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I just see things differently.
Everyone's decisions are based on a perception of profit. You might pass up a 10 for an 8, because you believe the 8 will give you a better experience. A chica might pass you by and come to me because she thinks I'll pay more, or because she figures she can get the leche quick and come back for more. Or she might figure I won't wear her out, or stretch her out.
From the hardest pro to the most innocent church girl, if she's spending time with someone, it's because she sees some profit. Everyone throws "what's in it for me" into the decision. If you're going after the hidden gems it's because you value the conquest over the sex.Exactly. That is why, if you are not in a real relationship, you are fooling yourself if you think you are not paying for sex and that they are not prostitutes. There is no harm in it, but there is no reason to think that these girls are not available to the general public for rental.
It is perfectly possible to have a real family relationship with a Dominicana or Haitiana, but that also involves taking on serious responsibilities, and that is not what we are talking about here when we say "non-pro".
Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.
If you can get half of these these things you are having a great time. It takes time and skill to get it. Some guys like my buddies in Sosua are numbers guys. They bang as many as they can and run out of leche but keep pulling the trigger. I have done this a few times my self.
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Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this..
Tempoecorto
01-23-16, 22:50
Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.I typically take women to movies, restaurants or clubs, depending on inclination and mood. I normally do not do overnight as most cannot stay overnight, and I like sleeping alone even though I must admit, sex in the morning is nice. I have had women bring cooked food to my hotel (or cook when I visited them) and sex is always whenever and however I want it. I never discuss money but will always leave some in addition to gifts. Nonetheless, I just do not think of any of it as girl friend experience. For once, I do not have that strong an emotional connection that is the hallmark of a girlfriend, at least at the initial phase of courtship and especially in your twenties / thirties when life is full of promises. Secondly, in order to have that connection, the necessary intellectual requirements are lacking, indeed rare but to be expected given the demographics. I am just grateful that some women are willing to share their elixir of youth with me, without further nomenclature.
I have a new Cupid girl who is pulling me in. She is 35 a solid 8 or better. A thick lovely grown women body. She is vey witty and carries on a great conversation speaks to much English if you know what I mean. If you are a fan of GFE this girl is very promising. The anticipation is building I think from both of us. You guys who only do casas are missing some good stuff. She has sent pictures and spoke to me on Skype.
Also it is not really clear what people mean by GFE. I would say it means 1. Sex without condom. 2. Staying all night. 3. Not paying per sex act or per hour--just a retainer, 4. She may provide some other services like cooking. 5. Other shared activities of a nonsexual nature. Everyone will probably disagree with some or all of this.I think you forgot No 6 :
She must like both Frankie and Annie at the same time? !
Jewel Thief
02-03-16, 10:35
Much respect to you jewel thief. Thank you for taking your time out 2 posts a trip report. Its guys like you that makes me happy I'm join this forum. How much was the plane ticket to Guatemala. How far of a distance did you had to travel from one area to another. Were there any dark complexion chicas there. How was the food. You said the hotel's ran for about $115. How's the infrastructure of the buildings and was Wi-Fi available to you. Or the rooms built for your basic mongering. Once again thank you for your trip report.Grown Man,
Plane ticket was $358 round trip out of Miami on American. I rented a car from Budget but their office is in the middle of zone 9 and somewhat hard to find when I returned to Guatemala city to turn in the car but the car was perfect, a Checy Spark with all the windows blacked out, no one could see me in it and it appears to be a inexpensive car so not noticed. Antigua is about a 2 hour drive from Guatemala city and a great town to find European tourist pussy. There's lots of night life, some good local Ecuadorian girls and bars that close at 3. I stayed in a hotel called hotel LOS pasos that was stunning, took the master suite for $100 per night, included breakfast, nicest room I've had in years and I stay in Intercontinentals, Hiltons and Westins all the time for my business. WiFi was everywhere. Guatemala city I stayed in the Intercontinental for $90 but hear they charge 20 per chicka, booked it on Expedia. There are dark complexion chicas all over Guatemala.
At Confesi beach, the Lifestyles resort, in front of God and everyone! Guy shot him in front of his wife and ripped off his gold chain. I have felt an under current of violence since I been here. Ironically I tell my GF to wear jewelry so that the thief can leave with something and not dig further. My bad. Stay safe brothers!
Manizales911
02-12-16, 16:09
At Confesi beach, the Lifestyles resort, in front of God and everyone! Guy shot him in front of his wife and ripped off his gold chain. I have felt an under current of violence since I been here. Ironically I tell my GF to wear jewelry so that the thief can leave with something and not dig further. My bad. Stay safe brothers!Not in Costambar, at the end of the malecon in Puerto Plata. He was staying at Lifestyles in Cofresi but that's not where it happened.
http://noticiaspop.com.do/delincuentes-matan-de-tres-disparos-turista-aleman-en-el-malecon-de-puerto-plata/
At Confesi beach, the Lifestyles resort, in front of God and everyone! Guy shot him in front of his wife and ripped off his gold chain. I have felt an under current of violence since I been here. Ironically I tell my GF to wear jewelry so that the thief can leave with something and not dig further. My bad. Stay safe brothers!Hopefully the police will beat up and execute those lowlifes who did this.
Charles Pooter
02-12-16, 18:40
Hopefully the police will beat up and execute those lowlifes who did this.They have to find them first, and normally the DR police could not find their own asshole.
They have already shot dead someone they claim was a suspect, but he was a licensed street vendor for the Malecon. Possibly guilty, but seems an unlikely suspect as his face would be known to everyone in the area. Maybe he was just unluckily in CCTV picture at the time.
Unusual case, because no-one has yet accused a Haitian.
Can one having a valid US VISA travel to DR without applying for a VISA from DR Embassy. I have heard that People with Valid US VISA can enter DR for tourism.
Don't know whether it is true. By the way I am an Indian and was thinking of visiting DR once for the European beauties. I had been to Thailand but I prefer blondes / Europeans than asians.
Can one having a valid US VISA travel to DR without applying for a VISA from DR Embassy. I have heard that People with Valid US VISA can enter DR for tourism.
Don't know whether it is true. By the way I am an Indian and was thinking of visiting DR once for the European beauties. I had been to Thailand but I prefer blondes / Europeans than asians.Mr. Raju,
My advice would be to check if the Dominican Republic has an embassy or consulate in your country or a web site for visa requirements.
But when it comes to the type of women you prefer you will be sadly disappointed if you visit with your current preferences. Take a moment and glance through the photos the brothers post in the Sosua section and see if you like them. Yes the women here are young, beautiful and willing (if you give up the pesos). Got to be down with the brown if you want to enjoy yourself. Of course I've heard that Santiago is whiter than most cities here in the DR. Never been there to hunt to confirm it for myself.
Charles Pooter
02-13-16, 16:11
Can one having a valid US VISA travel to DR without applying for a VISA from DR Embassy. I have heard that People with Valid US VISA can enter DR for tourism.
Don't know whether it is true. By the way I am an Indian and was thinking of visiting DR once for the European beauties. I had been to Thailand but I prefer blondes / Europeans than asians.Your US visa is irrelevant. Maybe you were confusing the DR with Puerto Rico? But most nationalities can enter the DR without visas. You just buy a tourist card on arrival. US $10.
If you like blondes, the DR is definitely the wrong country to visit. Genuine blondes are extremely rare, and those that are there rarely enter the profession as they are prized by affluent locals. I would suggest Ukraine. With the state of their economy and currency, working girls must be good value there these days.
Can one having a valid US VISA travel to DR without applying for a VISA from DR Embassy. I have heard that People with Valid US VISA can enter DR for tourism.
Don't know whether it is true. By the way I am an Indian and was thinking of visiting DR once for the European beauties. I had been to Thailand but I prefer blondes / Europeans than asians.Going to the Dominican Republic for blondes?
While you're at it, I suggest a trip to Egypt to see the polar bears and to Iceland to check out the kangaroos.
Going to the Dominican Republic for blondes?
While you're at it, I suggest a trip to Egypt to see the polar bears and to Iceland to check out the kangaroos.And while you are at it stop by the city of Atlantis and tell Aquaman he still owes me for the mermaid hook up.
And while you are at it stop by the city of Atlantis and tell Aquaman he still owes me for the mermaid hook up.Aquaman says you owe him. That mermaid gave him crabs.
Aquaman says you owe him. That mermaid gave him crabs.But they were delicious with melted butter.
I have a new Cupid girl who is pulling me in. She is 35 a solid 8 or better. A thick lovely grown women body. She is vey witty and carries on a great conversation speaks to much English if you know what I mean. If you are a fan of GFE this girl is very promising. The anticipation is building I think from both of us. You guys who only do casas are missing some good stuff. She has sent pictures and spoke to me on Skype.I know that girl. We are going for about 2 months now. I need some info on her.
Charles Pooter
02-15-16, 19:49
I know that girl. We are going for about 2 months now. I need some info on her.But OldKool did not post a picture. How do you know who he means?
But never mind. She loves only you. If you really want to be on the safe side, double the Western Union remittances.
35 year old? Graverobbers, the pair of you!
But OldKool did not post a picture. How do you know who he means?
But never mind. She loves only you. If you really want to be on the safe side, double the Western Union remittances.
35 year old? Graverobbers, the pair of you!Graverobbers!! That is a good one! Love your sense of humor. For me though I like the ones about 50, fifty years younger! 5 years ago returning home from Colombia I told my son I have a novia and I am 20 years older, shocked expression on his face, then I hit him with, 20 years older than her mother.
Believe it or not this clown sent this girl our posts. Which she sent me. I would love to meet your dum ass some day. I enjoy clowns. I am sorry if I destroyed your illusions. This is why you always need a backup plan. I think he is really putting out because she has an amazing wardrobe.
I know that girl. We are going for about 2 months now. I need some info on her.
But OldKool did not post a picture. How do you know who he means?
But never mind. She loves only you. If you really want to be on the safe side, double the Western Union remittances.
35 year old? Graverobbers, the pair of you!She seem to fit the description of one of the pictures he posted. About 35 (usually means 40), fat, and had a Skype account. Described as "a solid 9" in the first post, then "a solid 8 or better in the next post" due to the aging process, no doubt.
You really have to be careful about posting pictures of people on the Internet unless you are sure that they have no objection. Especially if they are naked, or you are saying they are a pro in the rubric.
Thanks for the information.
I checked with the Indian Embassy and DR site which says anyone with a valid US Visa, UK Visa ans Schengen (multiple entry) Visa can enter DR with buying a tourist card.
For rest they need to apply to the embassy for visa. (http://www.dr-embassy-india.com/tourist-visa.html).
Yes I think was wrong in selecting DR for blondes, got carried away after going through websites such as drnights.com , which offer good package sex vacations.
Your US visa is irrelevant. Maybe you were confusing the DR with Puerto Rico? But most nationalities can enter the DR without visas. You just buy a tourist card on arrival. US $10.
If you like blondes, the DR is definitely the wrong country to visit. Genuine blondes are extremely rare, and those that are there rarely enter the profession as they are prized by affluent locals. I would suggest Ukraine. With the state of their economy and currency, working girls must be good value there these days.
Charles Pooter
02-16-16, 14:38
Yes I think was wrong in selecting DR for blondes, got carried away after going through websites such as drnights.com , which offer good package sex vacations.Then that was your second mistake. Your first was considering a sex package site like DRnights. All they do is add a hefty charge for doing what you could do better by yourself. If you really want everything laid on a plate, Blackbeards is much better value. Still no real blondes, though.
The article is in spanish. But you can find a summary of the information in english on one of the popular sites that has general information about the Dominican Republic.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/02/15/407902/procuraduria-clausura-establecimiento-en-bavaro-acusa-de-comercializacion-sexual
The article is in spanish. But you can find a summary of the information in english on one of the popular sites that has general information about the Dominican Republic.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/02/15/407902/procuraduria-clausura-establecimiento-en-bavaro-acusa-de-comercializacion-sexual$160 for sex with a "bunny" No wonder they were closed down for money laundering and tax evasion.
There are echoes of the Cuba Dave arrest here, because part of the charges relate to promoting the DR as a sex tourism destination with billboards posted on highways in Altagracia Province, which is prime tourism territory. When will they ever learn? I guess they will learn when they can make more money doing something else.
The guy sent her copies of the site. She called me pissed off. Dondada is a traiter to the frat. He should be Banned.
He is jealous over a chica in the DR. Who would have thought. I should have known because she had an awesome wardrobe very classy. The guy most be spending serious coin.
She seem to fit the description of one of the pictures he posted. About 35 (usually means 40), fat, and had a Skype account. Described as "a solid 9" in the first post, then "a solid 8 or better in the next post" due to the aging process, no doubt.
You really have to be careful about posting pictures of people on the Internet unless you are sure that they have no objection. Especially if they are naked, or you are saying they are a pro in the rubric.
The guy sent her copies of the site. She called me pissed off. Dondada is a traiter to the frat. He should be Banned.
He is jealous over a chica in the DR. Who would have thought. I should have known because she had an awesome wardrobe very classy. The guy most be spending serious coin.If she's setting up deals elsewhere, maybe all he can give her is money. The bread is nice, but it's just not a sandwich without the meat.
The guy sent her copies of the site. She called me pissed off. Dondada is a traiter to the frat.Mr. OldKool,
With whom is she pissed off? Herself? She was the one making side deals on her western union novio. As for DonDada you know what they say, there is always one. Many important lessons to be learned here. Hopefully Dondada has learned his. Just the other day I had a chica tell me. "I've got a novio. He lives in the United States and sends me money. But he only comes to see me every four months. I can see you almost anytime you want". It has been said, "Don't hate the player; Hate the game. ".
The article is in spanish. But you can find a summary of the information in english on one of the popular sites that has general information about the Dominican Republic.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/02/15/407902/procuraduria-clausura-establecimiento-en-bavaro-acusa-de-comercializacion-sexual$160 for a session! They need to be in jail.
In truth I felt a little bad because she had a all day sucker and I blew her deal. I had already decided not to bring her on the team. She seemed a bit controlling for my taste. She was very attractive at 35 but her elevator was not working all the time. Her western union guy was from an Arab country. They may be a good couple because his elevator needs some work to. He told her I was selling her pictures. Last thing I want is a pissed DR chica coming after me. I think the sheik was kicking out serious coin. My girl a had a wardrobe to rival a high society New York girl.
So to Don Nada Nada hacer she is all yours. In my country we have a saying "bros before hoes".
Mr. OldKool,
With whom is she pissed off? Herself? She was the one making side deals on her western union novio. As for DonDada you know what they say, there is always one. Many important lessons to be learned here. Hopefully Dondada has learned his. Just the other day I had a chica tell me. "I've got a novio. He lives in the United States and sends me money. But he only comes to see me every four months. I can see you almost anytime you want". It has been said, "Don't hate the player; Hate the game. ".
I hope this not a bad sign but usually when you are waiting at the gate you see some hot Dominicanas returning home. So far the best looking girl is a red headed Mormon missionary. I had to restructure my trip a bit. I postponed one lady so I could hookup with a blast from the past. This may be a mistake but I am going for it.
Has anyone been sent pics by a chica in bandages asking for money? I have been with her before for two nights and she did not seem like a scammer but now I am suspicious. I have seen this scam before in the Philippines. No, I did not send her any money. Replies appreciated.
Parkinsons
02-17-16, 20:23
Has anyone been sent pics by a chica in bandages asking for money? I have been with her before for two nights and she did not seem like a scammer but now I am suspicious. I have seen this scam before in the Philippines. No, I did not send her any money. Replies appreciated.Bandages, no. IV tubes, plenty. Dominicans love showing folks they're sick by having shit hooked up to their arms. I even had this chick asking me for money with just a blood pressure cuff on her arm! I should've sent her back a pic of me giving blood at the Red Cross and hit her with the reverse RFM.
Troubleman69
02-17-16, 22:32
I hope this not a bad sign but usually when you are waiting at the gate you see some hot Dominicanas returning home. So far the best looking girl is a red headed Mormon missionary. I had to restructure my trip a bit. I postponed one lady so I could hookup with a blast from the past. This may be a mistake but I am going for it.Better than what I saw when I was at the airport a couple of week ago for my flight to the DR. There were old people, and like a youth girls sports team or something. Not a nice looking Dominican woman in sight. That all changed once I landed. Nice eye candy at the airport.
Has anyone been sent pics by a chica in bandages asking for money? I have been with her before for two nights and she did not seem like a scammer but now I am suspicious. I have seen this scam before in the Philippines. No, I did not send her any money. Replies appreciated.I would say there is a good chance you are getting scammed. I have had several chicas send me so called photographic evidence, of ill relatives, with a RFM. I just ignore them and when I see them again it just as if nothing ever happened.
Tempoecorto
02-18-16, 04:29
Has anyone been sent pics by a chica in bandages asking for money? I have been with her before for two nights and she did not seem like a scammer but now I am suspicious. I have seen this scam before in the Philippines. No, I did not send her any money. Replies appreciated.If you liked her and would wish to see her again, see her 1000 pesos. No biggie for you and she may return the favor in kind in due course.
2 planes landed at the same time so paying the 10 dollars took a long time plus the guy needed exact change. One guy working 250 people in line do the math. On the bright side there is a Bank Reserve next the place to pay the entry fee. 45.7 is the going rate not bad. I get the cash and head for the Claro store for minutes on my phone. I roll upstairs to look for the GUA GUA. I did not see it for about 10 minutes which seemed like an hour. Waiting with patience is the lesson I would learn this day. I paid the American price 150 pesos plus 200 for cab in SD. This beats the hell out of $35 the cab drivers want.
I get to Santo Domingo 25 minutes later catch a cab to Casa Conde. They have my reservation but the room has no refrigerator which is a requirement. The rooms at casa Conde lovely but small. They ship me off to Conde Boutique 6 blocks away which is a mile when you are anxious "patience ". Once there sweating from the walk a very pretty chica checks me in. Room is a suite for 50 bucks really pretty with full kitchen but no working TV channels and internet took a while, patience this is the DR.
Being the greedy monger that I am I pushed back my 1st day chica to Thursday and arranged for the famous little sister to come from Cotui. Her phone was not working and we did not have a solid hook up plan only see you at Pacos after 5. It is now 7 and chicas at Pacos are banging on me. I am getting worried she is a no show " DR Life" 7:50 I get a message on way in cab. Yaaaaa. She is not a raving beauty but very petit and cute "turns me on" As it is late no time for prelims, back the room shower and rack time. In truth sex with her has not been great in the past. 2 reasons my performance and her anxiety as I used to bang her sister. I was on a mission to redeem my self. This night went off great shower massage 4 positions very nice. This was followed by 4 am sex which totally rocked. We both were very satisfied. I let her ride cow girl control. Mission accomplished. She is rolling out this morning which allows girl 2 to come in. She is from San Pedro and seems to be ready to rumble. It was a very good start all things considered you just have to go with the punches because few things in life go exactly as planned but good management and a positive attitude can cover a lot F ups.
YippieKayay
02-18-16, 18:42
Has anyone been sent pics by a chica in bandages asking for money? I have been with her before for two nights and she did not seem like a scammer but now I am suspicious. I have seen this scam before in the Philippines. No, I did not send her any money. Replies appreciated.Yes, it's a scam, and it's very typical. Just ignore it.
2 planes landed at the same time ...Where was air traffic control while this was going on? Typical Dominican goofing off. Glad you survived.
She said that she stop talking to you in the end of December. So I do not know why did you post her picture online in January. I met her the end of January.
In truth I felt a little bad because she had a all day sucker and I blew her deal. I had already decided not to bring her on the team. She seemed a bit controlling for my taste. She was very attractive at 35 but her elevator was not working all the time. Her western union guy was from an Arab country. They may be a good couple because his elevator needs some work to. He told her I was selling her pictures. Last thing I want is a pissed DR chica coming after me. I think the sheik was kicking out serious coin. My girl a had a wardrobe to rival a high society New York girl.
So to Don Nada Nada hacer she is all yours. In my country we have a saying "bros before hoes".
She said that she stop talking to you in the end of December. So I do not know why did you post her picture online in January. I met her the end of January.It seems like you both met her at the end of January. On Jan 23rd OK posted "I have a new Cupid girl who is pulling me in. " So at that point he is saying that he has just been hooked.
So someone is not telling the truth, probably the chica, since she has something to lose. At this point or shortly after OK is posting about probably not going to Sosua, but staying in Santo Domingo. Then something happens off line and she is canceled from the plans.
Last thing I want is a pissed DR chica coming after me.And yet you posted a face picture of a Dominican hospital worker whom you say is not a pro, or not a full time pro, on a discussion board that focuses mainly on prostitution. This woman is, I believe, the sister of your "ex-novia" who seems to be a hard core sex worker in Sosua who "accidently" ran into you in Sosua a couple of days ago, no doubt having received phone or texts from "little sister" to the effect that you were en route to Sosua plus local intelligence reports that you were buying beer for all in the Rumba Bar.
My apologies if I have got this all wrong, but that is the way it looks from your posts. Dominican health care workers do a great job working long hours for very little money, and I can understand them needing to supplement their income, but I should think they might be quite annoyed to find their photos on International Sex Guide, which many people in the sex trade in the DR have some level of access to if only via cell phones and wifi in bars.
My advice to anyone who uses these boards is to not post photographs of women's faces unless they have clearly indicated that they want to advertise on International Sex Guide. You can never be sure if this will come back and bite you in the ass.
If you want to post pictures of pussies or asses and do your Beavis and Butthead thing, I guess there is no harm in it.
I do not know who is lying. The only thing she can lose is me because I do not have time for games. I think OldSkool is off on his time period and conversation with her.
It seems like you both met her at the end of January. On Jan 23rd OK posted "I have a new Cupid girl who is pulling me in. " So at that point he is saying that he has just been hooked.
So someone is not telling the truth, probably the chica, since she has something to lose. At this point or shortly after OK is posting about probably not going to Sosua, but staying in Santo Domingo. Then something happens off line and she is canceled from the plans.
Not all the women we deal with are Putas. I have had 2 DR Novias the sisters are both non putas. There is nothing negative about their pictures both post pictures on DR Cupid. I will say I never thought a member would forward a picture to a chica. Lesson Learned, The hard core novia who I set you up with was in Sosua this week and I enjoyed her company. I did buy quite a few beers. My funds were good and I could afford 150 Pesos for a presidenti grande for a table of ladies. I enjoyed their company as I travel alone having companionship is a good thing.
And yet you posted a face picture of a Dominican hospital worker whom you say is not a pro, or not a full time pro,
on a discussion board that focuses mainly on prostitution. This woman is, I believe, the sister of your "ex-novia" who seems to be a hard core sex worker in Sosua who "accidently" ran into you in Sosua a couple of days ago, no doubt having received phone or texts from "little sister" to the effect that you were en route to Sosua plus local intelligence reports that you were buying beer for all in the Rumba Bar.
My apologies if I have got this all wrong, but that is the way it looks from your posts. Dominican health care workers do a great job working long hours for very little money, and I can understand them needing to supplement their income, but I should think they might be quite annoyed to find their photos on International Sex Guide, which many people in the sex trade in the DR have some level of access to if only via cell phones and wifi in bars.
My advice to anyone who uses these boards is to not post photographs of women's faces unless they have clearly indicated that they want to advertise on International Sex Guide. You can never be sure if this will come back and bite you in the ass.
If you want to post pictures of pussies or asses and do your Beavis and Butthead thing, I guess there is no harm in it.
I do not know who is lying. The only thing she can lose is me because I do not have time for games. I think OldSkool is off on his time period and conversation with her.If you don't have time for games, the DR, especially through the Cupid sites, is the wrong place.
If a Cupid girl is coming on to you, it's guaranteed she's doing the same with others. Did you think she saw your profile and fell madly in love?
Here's Dominican Cupid from the girl's view:
He looks like he'll give me money, "Hola. Como estas?
He looks like he'll give me money, "Hola. Como estas?
He looks like he'll give me money, "Hola. Como estas?
Etc.
Sólo para ti, mi amor means, I can see you Wednesday for 2 hours unless I get a better offer, in which case I'll cancel because my mother is sick.
If you don't have time for games, the DR, especially through the Cupid sites, is the wrong place. If a Cupid girl is coming on to you, it's guaranteed she's doing the same with others. Did you think she saw your profile and fell madly in love?On Dominican Cupid just like any other part of life you find what you are looking for. So if you are looking for P 4 P. That's what you'll find. And if she is fucking you for money, then as the joke goes, what she is, is obvious. You simply wind up negotiating price regardless of how you met her. LOL!
Mr Enternational
03-01-16, 11:41
The DR has none.
Manizales911
03-04-16, 18:33
I copy and pasted this from another site:
Roadside Assistance.
Public Works minister Gonzalo Castillo on Wednesday inaugurated the Roadside Protection and Assistance Patrol, to benefit motorist along the entire Atlantic coast from Puerto Plata to Las Terrenas, in northeastern Samaná province.
He said the Patrol covers the route used by thousands of tourists who visit the country each year, who in his view can now enjoy the area's natural beauty with greater safety. "We're confident that the sense of security which our foreign and local visitors feel contribute to the growth and development of these communities.
You can call the service at *788 (for free) or you can call 829-688-1000 for assistance.
I'll be curious to see if they actually have their shit together or not, my bet is NOT. I live in Sosua and own a car here now and travel to Pto Pta quite often and I always have in the back of my head the question of what the hell am I going to do if I break down in some of the very rural areas along that route if I can't get a hold of one of my friends that owns a car. I put the number in my phone but I'm sure if I was in need of their assistance I would either be waiting forever for them to show up or they won't answer the call, I hope that I am wrong though, Pto Pta has their own ambulance now so maybe we are coming out of the dark ages one baby step at a time, hahaha.
I copy and pasted this from another site:
Roadside Assistance.
Public Works minister Gonzalo Castillo on Wednesday inaugurated the Roadside Protection and Assistance Patrol, to benefit motorist along the entire Atlantic coast from Puerto Plata to Las Terrenas, in northeastern Saman province.
He said the Patrol covers the route used by thousands of tourists who visit the country each year, who in his view can now enjoy the area's natural beauty with greater safety. "We're confident that the sense of security which our foreign and local visitors feel contribute to the growth and development of these communities.
You can call the service at *788 (for free) or you can call 829-688-1000 for assistance.
I'll be curious to see if they actually have their shit together or not, my bet is NOT. I live in Sosua and own a car here now and travel to Pto Pta quite often and I always have in the back of my head the question of what the hell am I going to do if I break down in some of the very rural areas along that route if I can't get a hold of one of my friends that owns a car. I put the number in my phone but I'm sure if I was in need of their assistance I would either be waiting forever for them to show up or they won't answer the call, I hope that I am wrong though, Pto Pta has their own ambulance now so maybe we are coming out of the dark ages one baby step at a time, hahaha.There are no rural areas on that route, there are public taxis along there 24 hours a day, plus lots of guaguas in the daytime. There is no area that is out of range of cell phone service. This is one of the most traveled stretches of road in the entire DR. There are also settlements all along the route, for example La Union and the airport, LOS Cangrejos, Montellano, Playa Dorada.
Manizales911
03-04-16, 23:55
There are no rural areas on that route, there are public taxis along there 24 hours a day, plus lots of guaguas in the daytime. There is no area that is out of range of cell phone service. This is one of the most traveled stretches of road in the entire DR. There are also settlements all along the route, for example La Union and the airport, LOS Cangrejos, Montellano, Playa Dorada.There are parts of that route where there is NOTHING for a distance that I would not want to walk and leave my car behind. I guess if you want to get fucking technical as you always do then maybe you are correct but there sure as hell some parts of that route that I for one would NOT want to break down at, Frannie, do you even own a car here? What would you do at 9 o'clock at night, flag down a publico and abandon your car on the side of the road, hahaha, there would be nothing left of it in short order. I don't know why I bother, Manizales over and out.
There are parts of that route where there is NOTHING for a distance that I would not want to walk and leave my car behind. I guess if you want to get fucking technical as you always do then maybe you are correct but there sure as hell some parts of that route that I for one would NOT want to break down at, Frannie, do you even own a car here? What would you do at 9 o'clock at night, flag down a publico and abandon your car on the side of the road, hahaha, there would be nothing left of it in short order. I don't know why I bother, Manizales over and out.Yes, I would put the car at the side of the road, lock it up, then flag down a taxi if I was not calling someone immediately. Possibly I would pay someone to watch the car. I always have a cell phone. Very likely the taxi driver would know someone who could help out. Or someone at the gas station at Montellano, or coming into Puerto Plata. There is always someone in the DR who knows someone with a tow truck or who will repair the tire or whatever you need. What would you do in the US if your car broke down 10 miles from home at night? To be honest, I would rather break down in the DR. Now if you were talking about breaking down at night on the back road over the mountains from Santiago out of cell phone range, then you might have a good point!
But was it you or someone else who posted that you had been fucked in the ass by a taxi driver?
My Uncles would always eat fish from that nasty corner in Boca Chica, but I would always pass because the fish in big bowls never seemed healthy without ice. Well my last couple trips to Boca I found a spot off the other side of the beach that had great fish for 300 pesos. They fry the fish with the lines in them so they come off in big rectangular chunks on the fork. With fries it costs 300 pesos.
Well one day I tried to be slick and figured I would arrive early in the morning and pick my fish right off the boat. To my surprise their wasn't any boat and all the fish they put out were frozen solid.
My question is; where in the DR can you get fresh fish straight off the boat as it comes in? I've heard Miaimon has a warf, but not sure. Also is all the fish frozen for transportation to other spots or could this just be from the previous day that didn't sell? And are the guys you see walking the beach with spear guns and fresh fish legit? Or is it a hustler to make people think they are getting something fresh?
Thanks in advance.
My question is; where in the DR can you get fresh fish straight off the boat as it comes in? I've heard Miaimon has a warf, but not sure.Maimon is known for fish and there are a few fish restaurants there, but whether the fish are fresh caught is a whole other question.
One time I wanted some fresh fish, so my chica drove me to a place in Charamicos where you went down a steep hill, and then drove half a mile over a rutted track to a beach where there were fishing boats, and guys gutting fish that were stored in coolers on a bloc. It was all pure theater. One of the items on offer was a small whole yellowfin tuna that looked too small to catch to me. I asked them where the tuna came from and they said it was from the Pacific ocean.
I have not investigated further, but my suspicion is that Japanese trawlers catch fish and freeze the fish whole, then show up in Dominican ports and sell the frozen fish to "fishermen" who sell the fish to tourists and toursit restaurants. I don't know if Dominicans eat a lot of fish, because in Puerto Plata it is difficult to find fish anywhere in a restaurant or take out, unless you go to Maimon, although there is one restaurant on the dock road, and a fish shop near the pulga that has fish in freezers. You can either buy it whole or gutted and filleted.
I did once buy a whole bag full of lobsters in Puerto Plata for 1500 pesos from a taxista I knew, and I think they were probably fresh.
I would say if it looks too good to be true, then it probably is.
Government Works to Increase Aquaculture to Reduce Import Dependence
15 November 2013
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC - Each year the Dominican Republic imports an average of 50,000 tonnes of fish and average consumption is 3.5 kilos, representing a fifth of the world average. The Dominican Aquaculture Association (ADOA) therefore states that there is a great potential of aquaculture.
Maximum Nicholas, president of ADOA, said that the government will support a RD $200 million three year programme that the organisation has designed which will increase fish production to about 5000 tons, reports ElCaribe.
Currently, fish farmers are producing between 250 and 275 tons per year, which is a very minimal percentage. The country is therefore having to import 50,000 tons of whole fresh fish to meet the country's demand for 64 000 tons per year.
"It takes not only desire, preparation, but also the private sector training and knowledge. But this is not enough if there are no funding possibilities. If there is no government support in this regard it will not develop. You must remove financial barriers," said Mr Nicholas.
Miguel Silva, vice president of Nature Environment and Development Foundation, said that aquaculture production is a matter of public policy, because it must be a state-led effort but not necessarily executed by the state.
- See more at: http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/21786/government-works-to-increase-aquaculture-to-reduce-import-dependence/#sthash.7JxmNUFt.dpuf
Thank you Sir. How did you keep a straight face when they said the fish came from the Pacific Ocean?
Mr Enternational
03-10-16, 03:47
My Uncles would always eat fish from that nasty corner in Boca Chica, but I would always pass because the fish in big bowls never seemed healthy without ice. Well my last couple trips to Boca I found a spot off the other side of the beach that had great fish for 300 pesos. They fry the fish with the lines in them so they come off in big rectangular chunks on the fork. With fries it costs 300 pesos.
Well one day I tried to be slick and figured I would arrive early in the morning and pick my fish right off the boat. To my surprise their wasn't any boat and all the fish they put out were frozen solid.LOL. See you could have been eating my prized Boca Chica blue booth fish all along. They all come from the same place. Those fish are farmed, not caught from the ocean. Where do you ever see real fishing boats in the DR? Sure they have tourist fishing trips and people fishing off the floating bridge in Santo Domingo, but that is about it.
Yes, I would put the car at the side of the road, lock it up, then flag down a taxi if I was not calling someone immediately. Possibly I would pay someone to watch the car. I always have a cell phone. Very likely the taxi driver would know someone who could help out. Or someone at the gas station at Montellano, or coming into Puerto Plata. There is always someone in the DR who knows someone with a tow truck or who will repair the tire or whatever you need. What would you do in the US if your car broke down 10 miles from home at night? To be honest, I would rather break down in the DR. Now if you were talking about breaking down at night on the back road over the mountains from Santiago out of cell phone range, then you might have a good point!
But was it you or someone else who posted that you had been fucked in the ass by a taxi driver?Only one time out of many trips to DR I had a flat tire after hitting a big pot hole at night. Luckily when I stopped two local guys came and changed the tire and to my amazement refused a propina.
I have driven all over including many times on the mountain route and never had a problem. As I heard in DR stolen cars and stripped cars are not common. Usually I have a local girl with me and she said people knock on any doors for help if any problems and she said Dominican people are friendly and will help or call the police for help.
Only one time out of many trips to DR I had a flat tire after hitting a big pot hole at night. Luckily when I stopped two local guys came and changed the tire and to my amazement refused a propina.
I have driven all over including many times on the mountain route and never had a problem. As I heard in DR stolen cars and stripped cars are not common. Usually I have a local girl with me and she said people knock on any doors for help if any problems and she said Dominican people are friendly and will help or call the police for help.Quite so. I have heard it said that a common cause of cars not starting in the DR is having the batteries stolen overnight for use in inversors, but it is just chit-chat and I don't know how often this occurs.
Parkinsons
03-10-16, 04:14
My question is; where in the DR can you get fresh fish straight off the boat as it comes in? I've heard Miaimon has a warf, but not sure. Also is all the fish frozen for transportation to other spots or could this just be from the previous day that didn't sell? And are the guys you see walking the beach with spear guns and fresh fish legit? Or is it a hustler to make people think they are getting something fresh?Dominicans only know how to cook fish one way -- deep fried. I quite enjoy eating it, had a good one in Maimon last year, but to me if all the fish were fried to a crisp, then don't matter if fresh or frozen. To really taste the freshness, one should eat it steamed a la Chinese style. Therefore I would recommend you to look in the Chinatown in SD. I remember there's at least one restaurant where they have their own tank with live fish swimming in it, and you can pick the one you want. Actually, you may even ask them to deep fry that thing.
Pictured is the fried fish place in Maimon.
Mr Enternational
03-10-16, 04:35
Quite so. I have heard it said that a common cause of cars not starting in the DR is having the batteries stolen overnight for use in inversors, but it is just chit-chat and I don't know how often this occurs.And that is the reason my girl in Santo Domingo's Gazcue area tells me not to park in front of her building when I stay overnight. I have to park the car across the street at the 24 hour clinic and pay the security guard 100 pesos to watch it.
Thanks bro, now I got to put Miamon and Chinatown in SD on my bucket list.
Quite so. I have heard it said that a common cause of cars not starting in the DR is having the batteries stolen overnight for use in inversors, but it is just chit-chat and I don't know how often this occurs.I'm sure car batteries are stolen. No doubt. But for that purpose, dubious. The way a car battery is designed is quite different from a inverter battery. Car batteries are good for short bursts of current. Inverter batteries are deep cycle batteries designed to be discharged down to a 20% level or more then recharged. Now if you maintain a car battery well you can do the same thing and use it in a inverter. But they will not torate and last as long as a deep cycle battery would under identical conditions. You would need to avoid bringing the car battery down below 50%.
But hey if you steal the batteries for your inverter what do you care. ? Just steal some more when they wear out. LOL.
And that is the reason my girl in Santo Domingo's Gazcue area tells me not to park in front of her building when I stay overnight. I have to park the car across the street at the 24 hour clinic and pay the security guard 100 pesos to watch it.In Santo Domingo it is always a wise policy to pay someone to watch your car overnight if not in a secure area. Almost anything that can be stolen off of your car is worth more than 100 pesos. And Gazcue is consider to be a nice area of Santo Domingo. LOL.
Charles Pooter
03-10-16, 14:22
... in Puerto Plata it is difficult to find fish anywhere in a restaurant or take outFrannie, for years I have respected your posts, but recently someone suggested you are getting senile. Maybe so, as that is one of the most absurd statements I have read here.
I do not eat meat or bird so I very often eat fish. In three years of visiting Pto Pta and seven years of living here, I cannot hardly remember any restaurant that did not offer at least one fish option. Where sourced and how fresh is another matter, though I have had few disappointments and no stomach problems.
Incidentally, for those familiar with the Aguaceros / Tam Tam stretch of the Malecon, there is a spot (with a notice board) where a rowing boat lands fish, normally twice a day depending on tides. There is usually a huddle of guys waiting to buy, some from restaurants. Maybe the rowboat loads the fish off a Japanese trawler just over the horizon, but I do not think so, because sometimes they come in almost empty-handed and, even when they have a lot, it usually comprises a few fish of many different varieties. All have tasted good.
I do not go that way much anymore and my favorite fish is now frozen robalo steaks from La Sirena. Three good meals for 200 pesos but watch out for the bones!
Frannie, for years I have respected your posts, but recently someone suggested you are getting senile. Maybe so, as that is one of the most absurd statements I have read here.
I do not eat meat or bird so I very often eat fish. In three years of visiting Pto Pta and seven years of living here, I cannot hardly remember any restaurant that did not offer at least one fish option. Where sourced and how fresh is another matter, though I have had few disappointments and no stomach problems.
Incidentally, for those familiar with the Aguaceros / Tam Tam stretch of the Malecon, there is a spot (with a notice board) where a rowing boat lands fish, normally twice a day depending on tides. There is usually a huddle of guys waiting to buy, some from restaurants. Maybe the rowboat loads the fish off a Japanese trawler just over the horizon, but I do not think so, because sometimes they come in almost empty-handed and, even when they have a lot, it usually comprises a few fish of many different varieties. All have tasted good.
I do not go that way much anymore and my favorite fish is now frozen robalo steaks from La Sirena. Three good meals for 200 pesos but watch out for the bones!Charles, my man. So where did the yellow fin tuna I saw on the beach at Charamicos come from? The fish guy said from the Pacific. And if you look at the article I quoted two posts ago, you will see that it states that three quarters of the fish eaten in the DR is imported, so where exactly does it come from? Some of it is no doubt fish farmed, but tuna is not a species that is fish farmed as far as I know. I don't really know if the imported fish is delivered by the trawlers that catch it and freeze it, or transferred and shipped to the DR in containers, my point about Japanese trawlers was just a guess.
Tempoecorto
03-10-16, 23:37
To really taste the freshness, one should eat it steamed a la Chinese style. Truer words have never been spoken, especially coming from someone whose cooking style (Cantonese), to me, is the best China has to offer, from vegetables to fish / sea food. Having said that, I would have to put quality sashimi, on top of the pile, even on top of say, steamed "soon hock", with chopped scallion, cilantro and shredded ginger dressing.
Tempoecorto
03-10-16, 23:51
Maimon is known for fish and there are a few fish restaurants there, but whether the fish are fresh caught is a whole other question.Couple of years back, I went and spent a night with a woman from Santiago, at a place called Punta Rucia, right by the water. It is a tiny tiny place. We took a boat that took us to a place called Cayo Arena or Paradise Island. Once we got back to the pier, if one could call it that, there were a couple of fishes hanging there for sale. There is one fish that is rather popular in the DR, the name eludes me but I was told it was that fish. A rather weird looking fish. Clearly, one could buy fish there. That evening we ate at a French restaurant, run by a French gentleman and who hosted at least 20 French people that night. The plat de jour was fish along with roasted potato and a few other vegetables. The meal was scrumptious including the fish. I forgot to ask but I would like to think that the restaurateur has access to the fish harvested locally.
I have a new Cupid girl in Sd. She is cute as can be 28 looks 18 slim with hot body. She looks sweet as a school teacher but has sent me 2 video of her masturbating. These boys are porn quality with sound. I am restructuring my vacation to get this one.
She looks "sweet as a school teacher" - "has sent me 2 video of her masturbating" - "porn quality with sound".Huh school what school did you attend and did you stay after school a lots.
I am thinking this young girl may take me to school. She is the most sexual chica I have dealt with in a while. The video have me hotter then July.
Huh school what school did you attend and did you stay after school a lots.
I have a new Cupid girl in Sd. She is cute as can be 28 looks 18 slim with hot body. She looks sweet as a school teacher but has sent me 2 video of her masturbating. These boys are porn quality with sound. I am restructuring my vacation to get this one.Darn, and you had just booked a flight into POP. These non pro chicas are something else, with their skills in cinematography. Did you return the favor with the videos?
I have a new Cupid girl in Sd. She is cute as can be 28 looks 18 slim with hot body. She looks sweet as a school teacher but has sent me 2 video of her masturbating. These boys are porn quality with sound. I am restructuring my vacation to get this one.I searched for 28 yr old only in santo domingo on dom cupid and up came 342 hits, looked at a few but none looked 18, can you help me out? Just joking my amigo, but I would not complain if you sent me a pm. Wish thinking on my part?
I will forward a video.
I searched for 28 yr old only in santo domingo on dom cupid and up came 342 hits, looked at a few but none looked 18, can you help me out? Just joking my amigo, but I would not complain if you sent me a pm. Wish thinking on my part?
I am flying out of SD so I have at least or 2 days in SD. I am determined to hit this one time.
Darn, and you had just booked a flight into POP. These non pro chicas are something else, with their skills in cinematography. Did you return the favor with the videos?
This a picture of my young hottie. She sends me pictures all the time /. learned my lesson no more faces but she is very cute
I am flying out of SD so I have at least or 2 days in SD. I am determined to hit this one time.
I am reaching the point where I can do a whole trip and just see girls I know. I understand how guys can out grow Sosua. I enjoy hanging Sosua it is sur real. 100 s of girls all point and click creates a rare rush. I just heard that DR immigration is raiding the clubs for illegal Haitians. One of my sweetie had to pay 2700 pesos to slide when she was pinched in Classicos. So those who like the Haitian ladies times are getting tougher.
She is keeping ne interested.
My apologies for an off-topic post, (it IS General Info, after all) but does anyone familiar with Santiago know of a good car mechanic?
Seems most tend to be incompetent or crooked.
Thank you.
Yanqui69.
Hi,
I'm looking for some advice as this will be my first trip to the Dominican Republic. I'll be in country for a week and due to allowed and available flights with my ticked I'm arriving in Cibao Aeropuerto Internacional del Cibao (STI).
My question where best to go to I started reading here and not sure where best to go. Looking for LT, Massages and the opportunity to do day trips maybe shot a few nice landscape photos but mainly to do nothing if I choose so. Except a nice lady.
Thanks Doc.
Hi,
I'm looking for some advice as this will be my first trip to the Dominican Republic. I'll be in country for a week and due to allowed and available flights with my ticked I'm arriving in Cibao Aeropuerto Internacional del Cibao (STI).
My question where best to go to I started reading here and not sure where best to go. Looking for LT, Massages and the opportunity to do day trips maybe shot a few nice landscape photos but mainly to do nothing if I choose so. Except a nice lady.
Thanks Doc.What experience do you have? How good is your Spanish? What is your budget? Etc. Etc. Night / day arrival? Are your travel dates flexible or fixed?
If this is your first time in the DR, you have minimum Spanish, etc. I would have recommended BlackBeard's but they are in Costambar, just west of Puerto Plata.
A good introductory place, in a controlled environment, quality control with the girls, etc.
Unfortunately, Costambar is about a $125 cab ride from STI.
If this is still a consideration, suggest you contact them online, and they could dispatch a cab for you. With luck, you could split the fare with another arriving guest.
Maybe check with them to come in the same time as another person. You might be able to coordinate a date with someone on this board, as well.
Allternatively, if you spoke Spanish, get a cab from STI to Caribe Tours bus station, take a bus to Puerto Plata, then a cab to Costambar / BB.
Unfortunately, the same fare back to STI.
If you are limited to Santiago, I'll leave it to others to provide comment.
Charles Pooter
04-02-16, 17:28
What experience do you have? How good is your Spanish? What is your budget? Etc. Etc. Night / day arrival? Are your travel dates flexible or fixed?
If this is your first time in the DR, you have minimum Spanish, etc. I would have recommended BlackBeard's Also, do you have experience mongering elsewhere (Mexico, Colombia, etc)? If you feel confident and have some street smarts, then you could also plunge straight into the Sosua scene. Masses of information here about that to help you judge if it is for you. A little Spanish will help there too, but plenty of guys manage without. Anywhere else, adequate Spanish is a must to avoid being ripped off or disappointed.
A third option is compromise. Book your first three days at Blackbeards. Enjoy your stay there and make day trips to Sosua to get the feel of the place. You could then move on to Sosua or continue at Blackbeards.
If no Spanish and no mongering experience abroad, Blackbeard is your safest bet for a first trip.
By the way, massages with sex included (Asian style) are not really the way to go in the DR. Best to get a good straight massage cheaply, and get your sex elsewhere, otherwise you will usually get an unsatisfactory compromise.
Experience wise I traveled in Asia (different spots in Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam.) a lot and know my way around there and know enough to not look too much like an fool there – you can't avoid it sometimes as it is part of the game. You know they ripped you of and they know you know but Dominican Republic experience none. I also do not speak any Spanish already read this is not a start but DR was one of the few things possible and I guess it's better than doing nothing.
Arrival and departure are both around 2 pm Travel dates are fixed arrival 30th April departure 6th May as it is between business meetings.
Budget decent hotel, apartment, villa 100-140 $ per night is OK – Don't fancy the 100+$ trip but probably can't change it. I prefer non resort over resort.
I'm thinking about spending the last night closer to the airport to ensure a comfy arrival without getting up too early.
What experience do you have? How good is your Spanish? What is your budget? Etc. Etc. Night / day arrival? Are your travel dates flexible or fixed?
If this is your first time in the DR, you have minimum Spanish, etc. I would have recommended BlackBeard's but they are in Costambar, just west of Puerto Plata.
A good introductory place, in a controlled environment, quality control with the girls, etc.
Unfortunately, Costambar is about a $125 cab ride from STI.
If this is still a consideration, suggest you contact them online, and they could dispatch a cab for you. With luck, you could split the fare with another arriving guest..
Blackbeard sounds like a great place but I have been traveling for several months now and am looking for some quiet and relax time with the occasional girl overnight or during the day. And what I read about Blackbeard this is not their main focus.
A normal Massage is fine, yes you can get great combos in Asia but there also a the really good ones do a Handjob at the most.
Also, do you have experience mongering elsewhere (Mexico, Colombia, etc)? If you feel confident and have some street smarts, then you could also plunge straight into the Sosua scene. Masses of information here about that to help you judge if it is for you. A little Spanish will help there too, but plenty of guys manage without. Anywhere else, adequate Spanish is a must to avoid being ripped off or disappointed.
A third option is compromise. Book your first three days at Blackbeards. Enjoy your stay there and make day trips to Sosua to get the feel of the place. You could then move on to Sosua or continue at Blackbeards.
If no Spanish and no mongering experience abroad, Blackbeard is your safest bet for a first trip.
By the way, massages with sex included (Asian style) are not really the way to go in the DR. Best to get a good straight massage cheaply, and get your sex elsewhere, otherwise you will usually get an unsatisfactory compromise.
Blackbeard sounds like a great place but I have been traveling for several months now and am looking for some quiet and relax time with the occasional girl overnight or during the day. And what I read about Blackbeard this is not their main focus.
A normal Massage is fine, yes you can get great combos in Asia but there also a the really good ones do a Handjob at the most.Blackbeard's can be relaxing, it's mostly up to you. You'll still have girls coming to try and talk you into something, just tell them when you want to be left alone.
With no Spanish, Sosua is your best bet. Plenty of decent hotels well within your price range. There's the semi-private Playa Sin Salida beach just down the street from Casa Cayena (which has a new name, Hotel Sosua Sunrise), if you want to relax with no intrusions, or the public beach if you don't mind a few people trying to sell you something. The atmosphere is pretty relaxed and there are excursions available if you want to get out and do more.
For relaxing, Hotel Sosua Sunrise (Casa Cayena) or Hotel El Rancho are good options, short walk to both beaches, short walk to the nightlife, but far enough away to be quiet at night. Hotel Plaza Europa is another place quiet at night, but it's a bit farther from everything. Prices are good and rooms are nice.
There are a few massage places in Sosua, I think 600 pesos / hour, happy ending is extra. Massage is decent.
Try the Sosua and Sosua Hotels threads for more information.
Blackbeard sounds like a great place but I have been traveling for several months now and am looking for some quiet and relax time with the occasional girl overnight or during the day. And what I read about Blackbeard this is not their main focus.
A normal Massage is fine, yes you can get great combos in Asia but there also a the really good ones do a Handjob at the most.BlackBeard's is very quiet from Sunday to Thursday. The weekends are active and loud at night, but you can find a quiet table at the far end of the patio.
Or the quiet Costambar beach about 5 minutes walk away. Go to the Costambar beach during the week, and you may well be the only person on the beach.
I will attempt to PM you if you can receive them.
Experience wise I traveled in Asia (different spots in Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam.) a lot and know my way around there and know enough to not look too much like an fool there you can't avoid it sometimes as it is part of the game. You know they ripped you of and they know you know but Dominican Republic experience none. I also do not speak any Spanish already read this is not a start but DR was one of the few things possible and I guess it's better than doing nothing.
Arrival and departure are both around 2 pm Travel dates are fixed arrival 30th April departure 6th May as it is between business meetings.
Budget decent hotel, apartment, villa 100-140 $ per night is OK Don't fancy the 100+$ trip but probably can't change it. I prefer non resort over resort.
I'm thinking about spending the last night closer to the airport to ensure a comfy arrival without getting up too early.Checking your dates you arrive on a Saturday and leave the following Friday. If the travel cost from STI is acceptable, you'd have a very relaxing time at BB.
Sunday will begin the exodus of party types, leaving the place to yourself. If you like, BB, can even book you some day trips. You'd be leaving the 5th, for an overnight in STI, and a departure on the 6th.
In Santiago, any large hotel would suit, but might suggest the Hodelpa, just a few miles from the airport. Most rooms at BB in the $70 range. Hodelpa within your stated ranged.
Tried to PM you, but you don't have it. There are nearby accommodations near BB I could recommend.
Checking your dates you arrive on a Saturday and leave the following Friday. If the travel cost from STI is acceptable, you'd have a very relaxing time at BB.
Sunday will begin the exodus of party types, leaving the place to yourself. If you like, BB, can even book you some day trips. You'd be leaving the 5th, for an overnight in STI, and a departure on the 6th.
In Santiago, any large hotel would suit, but might suggest the Hodelpa, just a few miles from the airport. Most rooms at BB in the $70 range. Hodelpa within your stated ranged.
Tried to PM you, but you don't have it. There are nearby accommodations near BB I could recommend.I would be very interested in nearby accommodations near BB you could recommend. Your mail box is full and I could not PM you.
Manizales911
04-03-16, 01:51
Checking your dates you arrive on a Saturday and leave the following Friday. If the travel cost from STI is acceptable, you'd have a very relaxing time at BB.
Sunday will begin the exodus of party types, leaving the place to yourself. If you like, BB, can even book you some day trips. You'd be leaving the 5th, for an overnight in STI, and a departure on the 6th.
In Santiago, any large hotel would suit, but might suggest the Hodelpa, just a few miles from the airport. Most rooms at BB in the $70 range. Hodelpa within your stated ranged.
Tried to PM you, but you don't have it. There are nearby accommodations near BB I could recommend.Yanqui69,I tried to send you a name and number of a mechanic but your inbox is full.
Checking your dates you arrive on a Saturday and leave the following Friday. If the travel cost from STI is acceptable, you'd have a very relaxing time at BB.
Sunday will begin the exodus of party types, leaving the place to yourself. If you like, BB, can even book you some day trips. You'd be leaving the 5th, for an overnight in STI, and a departure on the 6th.
In Santiago, any large hotel would suit, but might suggest the Hodelpa, just a few miles from the airport. Most rooms at BB in the $70 range. Hodelpa within your stated ranged.
Tried to PM you, but you don't have it. There are nearby accommodations near BB I could recommend.Just upgraded to do PM. Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
For STI I was thinking Hodelpa Centro Plaza Hotel after reading here.
Yanqui69,I tried to send you a name and number of a mechanic but your inbox is full.Thanks, M911. Will clean house.
I would be very interested in nearby accommodations near BB you could recommend. Your mail box is full and I could not PM you.Done. Check your box.
CasualViewer2
04-04-16, 22:38
I will be traveling to Casa de Campo for a bachelor party the last weekend of April. I have heard that it can be difficult to find fun in Casa de Campo. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on this situation? We are large group and will have transportation, so we are OK with going out around La Romana to find some fun. Any reply would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Hello Gentlemen,
I am planning to take a trip to DR with 5 of my friends. I need help with digressions of villas / homes to rent in Sousa and a location in Sousa that has a great night life. We are looking to travel the last week in May. Any help / suggestions will do. I've head that BB is good but are there any other choices? It's last minute and this was handed to me as such because I mongered 30 days in Rio. As you may know planning for one vs a group are two completely different things. Thanks for all your help gentleman.
Hello Gentlemen,
I am planning to take a trip to DR with 5 of my friends. I need help with digressions of villas / homes to rent in Sousa and a location in Sousa that has a great night life. We are looking to travel the last week in May. Any help / suggestions will do. I've head that BB is good but are there any other choices? It's last minute and this was handed to me as such because I mongered 30 days in Rio. As you may know planning for one vs a group are two completely different things. Thanks for all your help gentleman.If you're talking about Sosua, location isn't really an issue. The town only has one area with any nightlife. Anywhere you find in Sosua is, at most, a very short cab ride to all the action. It's not exactly a major city.
Hello Gentlemen,
I am planning to take a trip to DR with 5 of my friends. I need help with digressions of villas / homes to rent in Sousa and a location in Sousa that has a great night life. We are looking to travel the last week in May. Any help / suggestions will do. I've head that BB is good but are there any other choices? It's last minute and this was handed to me as such because I mongered 30 days in Rio. As you may know planning for one vs a group are two completely different things. Thanks for all your help gentleman.I sent you a PM with some information.
Yanqui69,I tried to send you a name and number of a mechanic but your inbox is full.M911,
Ready when you are. Any info you can provide is appreciated.
Muchas gracias,
Y69.
If you ask Dominicans what they think about their country, most of them value it as the best in the world. Maybe not the best, but many of us on this board section like it a lot. WHO issued statistics of the safest and the most dangerous countries to drive. On the list DR is not the best, but close (of the worst countries).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/Mapped-The-worlds-most-dangerous-places-to-drive/
Mr Enternational
04-10-16, 14:04
If you ask Dominicans what they think about their country, most of them value it as the best in the world.Of course they will think it is the best because it is all they know. The same as many people think Sosua is the bee's knees because of the same reason.
Before I knew Cartagena and Santa Marta Colombians would always tell me either was the best beach ever. Well eventually I went to both and they both sucked. But with Colombia not being much for beaches, to them those beaches WERE the best ever.
If you ask Dominicans what they think about their country, most of them value it as the best in the world. Maybe not the best, but many of us on this board section like it a lot. WHO issued statistics of the safest and the most dangerous countries to drive. On the list DR is not the best, but close (of the worst countries).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/Mapped-The-worlds-most-dangerous-places-to-drive/It certainly has the potential to be the best.
I once stood outside Playa Dorada, waiting for a ride, and observed no less than 5 different fruit trees growing wild within a 50 meter radius.
Unfortunately, this natural paradise is cursed by a corrupt, incompetent government and administrative infrastructure.
A tiny minority live in luxury, while most of the population live in hopeless poverty.
The only way for the average Dominican to get ahead is to be a corrupt politician, criminal, or puta.
Jobs are scarce, and those that exist pay ridiculously low wages.
Most Dominicans would love to leave. Getting a visa to the US is like winning the lottery.
No hope of improvement inside their own country.
Not sure how many of them can maintain a positive attitude or any level of happiness.
American Air has a flight that gets in Sosua at 2:30 but the American return flights all stink. So what I do is book my return flight with Spirit out of SD leaves at 3;30. Metro bus leaves Sosua a 8:20 get in SD 12:30. My option on next trip for return is 8:30 pm Delta flight to jfk. These are really good options and the price under 500 for the round trip.
It certainly has the potential to be the best.
I once stood outside Playa Dorada, waiting for a ride, and observed no less than 5 different fruit trees growing wild within a 50 meter radius. It is simply a matter of your perspective Mr. Yanqui69.
Unfortunately, this natural paradise is cursed by a corrupt, incompetent government and administrative infrastructure. The US supported a brutal and corrupt dictator in the DR for 30 years. Only abandoning him and giving the green light to his assassination after the murder of the three sisters made him a pariah on the world stage. The politicians that are fighting a culture of corruption supported by the US government are in the minority. The US supports corrupt politicians here because it only has an interest in maintaining strategic military options in the Caribbean.
A tiny minority live in luxury, while most of the population live in hopeless poverty. Not much different than the US and most of the rest of the world. If you look at the wealth distribution statistics the US has the highest levels of wealth inequality in the world.
http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-wealth-inequality/
The only way for the average Dominican to get ahead is to be a corrupt politician, criminal, or puta. That is simply not true. My suggestion is to travel to other parts of the country and view the lives of regular people going about their lives providing goods and services for their fellow Dominicans and foreign visitors.
Jobs are scarce, and those that exist pay ridiculously low wages. This is due to two factors: 1. The greed of Dominican companies in not hiring enough workers to provide a quality customer service experience. 2. The US working to keep wages low in the country in order to assist companies with manufacturing facilities here to continue to maintain their obscenely high gross margins. They did the same thing in Haiti by opposing the increase in the minimum wage in that country.
Most Dominicans would love to leave. Getting a visa to the US is like winning the lottery. This is not true. Most Dominican's do not want to leave their country. Many would like to visit the US. But the idea of leaving their home and family is concept only held by the minority. I know many Dominican's with US visas that have visited the United States only to conclude that they didn't like it. Most want to go and visit family and see the country. Not live there.
No hope of improvement inside their own country. There is plenty of improvement happening within this country. But if you are sexual tourist, you probably haven't taken enough time from getting your dick off at the lowest possible price as many times as possible to look around and see the profound positive changes occurring in this country.
Not sure how many of them can maintain a positive attitude or any level of happiness. It's quite easy. Dominicans are a strong and resourceful people that I see putting in work everyday and getting it done. The fact that you choose to associate with hustlers and scammers should not color your views of the entire country.
The US supported a brutal and corrupt dictator in the DR for 30 years. Only abandoning him and giving the green light to his assassination after the murder of the three sisters made him a pariah on the world stage. The politicians that are fighting a culture of corruption supported by the US government are in the minority. The US supports corrupt politicians here because it only has an interest in maintaining strategic military options in the Caribbean.Anybody wanting a deeper understanding of DR's recent history should read Mario Vargas Llosa's "The Feast of the Goat" (La Fiesta del Chivo). It's about the Assassination of Trujillo, former dictator of DR. The book is easy to read and quite entertaining and makes you understand what it was like in DR during the first half of the 20th century.
It is simply a matter of your perspective Mr. Yanqui69.
The US supported a brutal and corrupt dictator in the DR for 30 years. Only abandoning him and giving the green light to his assassination after the murder of the three sisters made him a pariah on the world stage. The politicians that are fighting a culture of corruption supported by the US government are in the minority. The US supports corrupt politicians here because it only has an interest in maintaining strategic military options in the Caribbean.
Not much different than the US and most of the rest of the world. If you look at the wealth distribution statistics the US has the highest levels of wealth inequality in the world.
http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-wealth-inequality/
That is simply not true. My suggestion is to travel to other parts of the country and view the lives of regular people going about their lives providing goods and services for their fellow Dominicans and foreign visitors.
This is due to two factors: 1. The greed of Dominican companies in not hiring enough workers to provide a quality customer service experience. 2. The US working to keep wages low in the country in order to assist companies with manufacturing facilities here to continue to maintain their obscenely high gross margins. They did the same thing in Haiti by opposing the increase in the minimum wage in that country.
This is not true. Most Dominican's do not want to leave their country. Many would like to visit the US. But the idea of leaving their home and family is concept only held by the minority. I know many Dominican's with US visas that have visited the United States only to conclude that they didn't like it. Most want to go and visit family and see the country. Not live there.
There is plenty of improvement happening within this country. But if you are sexual tourist, you probably haven't taken enough time from getting your dick off at the lowest possible price as many times as possible to look around and see the profound positive changes occurring in this country.
It's quite easy. Dominicans are a strong and resourceful people that I see putting in work everyday and getting it done. The fact that you choose to associate with hustlers and scammers should not color your views of the entire country.Don't be too hard on Yanqui.
A lot of what he says is based on what people see when they spend time in the sex tourist areas. It's a common mistake ("all women are hookers, and all men are touts".
But it's a big country out there and they manage quite well with what they have. They work very hard (comparatively) and like you say are very resourceful. I've seen them do amazing things in a short time, and say, No Problemo.
I've actually traveled the world with 2 PhD ladies, and I've travelled the DR with my poor unschooled regular, and I can tell you she has more street smarts, can behave appropriately in the finest resort, or the local hooker bar, and nothing is too much trouble for her. No Problemo. She constantly amazes me. She can cook for a big family on an open fire, she's always on time, can be ready at a moment notice, (and never complains about ill fitting shoes :) What they do have, which I don't see where I came from, is a strong connection to extended family, the old take care of the babies, and the young take care of the old.
It is simply a matter of your perspective Mr. Yanqui69.
The US supported a brutal and corrupt dictator in the DR for 30 years. Only abandoning him and giving the green light to his assassination after the murder of the three sisters made him a pariah on the world stage. The politicians that are fighting a culture of corruption supported by the US government are in the minority. The US supports corrupt politicians here because it only has an interest in maintaining strategic military options in the Caribbean.
Not much different than the US and most of the rest of the world. If you look at the wealth distribution statistics the US has the highest levels of wealth inequality in the world.
http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-wealth-inequality/
That is simply not true. My suggestion is to travel to other parts of the country and view the lives of regular people going about their lives providing goods and services for their fellow Dominicans and foreign visitors.
This is due to two factors: 1. The greed of Dominican companies in not hiring enough workers to provide a quality customer service experience. 2. The US working to keep wages low in the country in order to assist companies with manufacturing facilities here to continue to maintain their obscenely high gross margins. They did the same thing in Haiti by opposing the increase in the minimum wage in that country.
This is not true. Most Dominican's do not want to leave their country. Many would like to visit the US. But the idea of leaving their home and family is concept only held by the minority. I know many Dominican's with US visas that have visited the United States only to conclude that they didn't like it. Most want to go and visit family and see the country. Not live there.
There is plenty of improvement happening within this country. But if you are sexual tourist, you probably haven't taken enough time from getting your dick off at the lowest possible price as many times as possible to look around and see the profound positive changes occurring in this country.
It's quite easy. Dominicans are a strong and resourceful people that I see putting in work everyday and getting it done. The fact that you choose to associate with hustlers and scammers should not color your views of the entire country.I actually agree with most of what you say.
The US has habitually supported any brutal dictator in Latin America that swore he wasn't communist.
No disagreement there.
But Trujillo was removed over 50 years ago, and corruption has become the culture. Its not just wages for retail workers that are low. When cops get paid amazingly low wages, you can count on them being corrupt.
When a retail store or bank employee makes $200 US a month, not all attributable to US influence. Most expenses (food, utilities, etc) in the DR are not cheap. Many are more expensive than the US. You do not get ahead in the DR earning $200 a month.
A dentist I know of in Puerto Plata earns about $600 a month (a medical professional). Better off than most, but same goes for expenses.
My novia has a cousin who's a lawyer. A lawyer, for Pete's sake! And he emigrated to Florida, where he earns more money driving a truck out of Lakeland.
My novia has a business degree from UTEP in Santiago, and its hard as hell to find a job paying more than $200 a month, even for an educated person.
Her sales job for a plastics company paid exactly $250 US a month. The company laid off people, she can't find another job, and now wants to travel to the US, just so she can work a few months in a salon or waiting tables.
No disagreement on the inequality of wealth in America, but the "lower 99%" in the US are still much better off than the 99% in the DR.
On the subject of emigration, if persons can afford plane fare to visit family in the US, they aren't doing too bad financially. They likely have a decent income and can live well.
Many, however, can't.
Juan Luis Guerra and his band, 440, have a well-known song called, "Buscando Visa Para un Sueno" (Searching for a Visa For a Dream) precisely about someone seeking that magic ticket.
I think there is room for a difference of opinion on that issue.
However,
Rather than just providing your perspective, you make assumptions about me without knowing anything about me, and take the aggressive "flaming" attitude, not just offering a differing view, but trying to insult the writer. Uncalled for. Not sure what causes or justifies your attitude.
You presume I troll Sosua.
"But if you are sexual tourist, you probably haven't taken enough time from getting your dick off at the lowest possible price as many times as possible to look around and see the profound positive changes occurring in this country. ".
You know nothing about me.
Fact is, I haven't had a hooker in Sosua since 2005. Most of the last 7 or 8 years, I have spent my time in Santiago, not a sex tourist Mecca.
So, you're running your mouth in third gear, with brain in neutral.
"The fact that you choose to associate with hustlers and scammers should not color your views of the entire country."
You know nothing about me, Sunshine, so ranting about what is "fact" is beyond your knowledge.
If you have differing opinions or views, that's fine. But refrain from personal attacks on people you know absolutely nothing about. Anyone viewing any of my posts can see I do not "flame" people for having a different viewpoint.
Express your views freely, but keep your attitude, assumptions, and insults to yourself.
Tempoecorto
04-24-16, 17:46
Anybody wanting a deeper understanding of DR's recent history should read Mario Vargas Llosa's "The Feast of the Goat" (La Fiesta del Chivo). Kudos are due. I am impressed by the previous exchanges. The reference to Hermanas Mirabal (their story is fictionalized in a novel by Julia Alvarez -a professor in a CT college, En el tiempo de las mariposas (In the Time of Butterflies. Also a movie) - and the book by LLosa, a Nobel Laureate. This last book was rendered into a movie as well (Isabella Rossellini in a lead role) for those that cannot brook the idea of reading.
Don't be too hard on Yanqui.
A lot of what he says is based on what people see when they spend time in the sex tourist areas. It's a common mistake ("all women are hookers, and all men are touts".
But it's a big country out there and they manage quite well with what they have. They work very hard (comparatively) and like you say are very resourceful. I've seen them do amazing things in a short time, and say, No Problemo.
I've actually traveled the world with 2 PhD ladies, and I've travelled the DR with my poor unschooled regular, and I can tell you she has more street smarts, can behave appropriately in the finest resort, or the local hooker bar, and nothing is too much trouble for her. No Problemo. She constantly amazes me. She can cook for a big family on an open fire, she's always on time, can be ready at a moment notice, (and never complains about ill fitting shoes :) What they do have, which I don't see where I came from, is a strong connection to extended family, the old take care of the babies, and the young take care of the old.Oakie,
Thank you for your defense but it is unnecessary. Like "SubCdr" you make the assumption I hang out in Sosua.
Reality is, I haven't looked for a woman there in over a decade.
I have seen more of the country than my attacker assumes, though, of course, I'm not a resident.
See my supporting argument in the previous post.
The Dr is what Capitalism is run amuck. The upper class "white Dominicans" control everything. They drive mercedes and the poor. I went to the Blue mall in SD. I did not see one brown skin person. Not even sweeping the floors. The treatment of haitians is another example of racist core of these people You can not drink dominican the kool aid or water. I love the DR people but hate the upper class who drain the masses. In the US we still have a sizable middle class. Wealth distribution is an issue but we still have funds for infrastructure and education. The DR does not educate its people.
The Dr is what Capitalism is run amuck. The upper class "white Dominicans" control everything. They drive mercedes and the poor. I went to the Blue mall in SD. I did not see one brown skin person. Not even sweeping the floors. The treatment of haitians is another example of racist core of these people You can not drink dominican the kool aid or water. I love the DR people but hate the upper class who drain the masses. In the US we still have a sizable middle class. Wealth distribution is an issue but we still have funds for infrastructure and education. The DR does not educate its people.Agreed.
I am always amazed at how the "99%" in the DR manage to scrape out a living, and often maintain a positive outlook, a sense of dignity, and a even a willingness to help out a stranger.
With masses of people looking for work, great natural resources, imagine what that country could do with a decent education system, and outside investment, where people at every level of the system are not skimming money.
Its hard for any investment to eventually reach the people when officials are stealing at every level.
I actually agree with most of what you say.
The US has habitually supported any brutal dictator in Latin America that swore he wasn't communist.
No disagreement there.
But Trujillo was removed over 50 years ago, and corruption has become the culture. Its not just wages for retail workers that are low. When cops get paid amazingly low wages, you can count on them being corrupt.
When a retail store or bank employee makes $200 US a month, not all attributable to US influence. Most expenses (food, utilities, etc) in the DR are not cheap. Many are more expensive than the US. You do not get ahead in the DR earning $200 a month.
A dentist I know of in Puerto Plata earns about $600 a month (a medical professional). Better off than most, but same goes for expenses.
My novia has a cousin who's a lawyer. A lawyer, for Pete's sake! And he emigrated to Florida, where he earns more money driving a truck out of Lakeland.
My novia has a business degree from UTEP in Santiago, and its hard as hell to find a job paying more than $200 a month, even for an educated person.
Her sales job for a plastics company paid exactly $250 US a month. The company laid off people, she can't find another job, and now wants to travel to the US, just so she can work a few months in a salon or waiting tables.
No disagreement on the inequality of wealth in America, but the "lower 99%" in the US are still much better off than the 99% in the DR.
On the subject of emigration, if persons can afford plane fare to visit family in the US, they aren't doing too bad financially. They likely have a decent income and can live well.
Many, however, can't.
Juan Luis Guerra and his band, 440, have a well-known song called, "Buscando Visa Para un Sueno" (Searching for a Visa For a Dream) precisely about someone seeking that magic ticket.
I think there is room for a difference of opinion on that issue.
However,
Rather than just providing your perspective, you make assumptions about me without knowing anything about me, and take the aggressive "flaming" attitude, not just offering a differing view, but trying to insult the writer. Uncalled for. Not sure what causes or justifies your attitude.
You presume I troll Sosua.
"But if you are sexual tourist, you probably haven't taken enough time from getting your dick off at the lowest possible price as many times as possible to look around and see the profound positive changes occurring in this country. ".
You know nothing about me.
Fact is, I haven't had a hooker in Sosua since 2005. Most of the last 7 or 8 years, I have spent my time in Santiago, not a sex tourist Mecca.
So, you're running your mouth in third gear, with brain in neutral.
"The fact that you choose to associate with hustlers and scammers should not color your views of the entire country."
You know nothing about me, Sunshine, so ranting about what is "fact" is beyond your knowledge.
If you have differing opinions or views, that's fine. But refrain from personal attacks on people you know absolutely nothing about. Anyone viewing any of my posts can see I do not "flame" people for having a different viewpoint.
Express your views freely, but keep your attitude, assumptions, and insults to yourself.Oh, and if you are lucky enough to find a job, to earn your $200-250 US a month, you are expected to work 6 days a week, 10-12 hours a day. Saturday is a "half-day. ".
Oh, and if you are lucky enough to find a job, to earn your $200-250 US a month, you are expected to work 6 days a week, 10-12 hours a day. Saturday is a "half-day. ".When I was in one of the malls in SD, I saw three girls working in a coffee shop. In about two hours, may be they had 15 customers. I asked the girls whether it is a slow day and they said most days the business is similar. I am sure we will not have three girls working here if the business is that slow. I saw the girls relaxed, eating their home food, sharing among themself and another pregnant store keeper came in and they we rubbing her belly. To me it looked like they were socializing, not working. Sure, they make so less money when you compare to folks here, but then their quality of life seemed to be better. Take US and Canada out of the American map, citizens in all rest of the countries make same kind of money. So I keep thinking whether they are making less money, or whether we are making way too much money? When a chica was complaining, I can understand her feelings, don't get me wrong about that, I do understand their struggles. They should stop comparing with USA, and do that with next door neighbours.
Mr Enternational
04-25-16, 05:33
Sure, they make so less money when you compare to folks here, but then their quality of life seemed to be better. Take US and Canada out of the American map, citizens in all rest of the countries make same kind of money. So I keep thinking whether they are making less money, or whether we are making way too much money? When a chica was complaining, I can understand her feelings, don't get me wrong about that, I do understand their struggles. They should stop comparing with USA, and do that with next door neighbours.But their next door neighbors aren't the ones going there and doing what to them seems like throwing money around like there is no tomorrow. But you are exactly right. That is how most of the world lives. We are the exception.
And we think everyone should have what we have. When you have seen as much of the world as I have you know the shit just isn't going to happen, not even in 1 million years. I for one am thankful that my ancestors were on that boat that headed to the USA. Because if they were in that Brazil boat or that Dominican Republic boat, I would have been messed up in the game.
Oakie,
Thank you for your defense but it is unnecessary. Like "SubCdr" you make the assumption I hang out in Sosua.
Reality is, I haven't looked for a woman there in over a decade.
I have seen more of the country than my attacker assumes, though, of course, I'm not a resident.
See my supporting argument in the previous post.You don't need defending.
I'm just guilty (sorry!) of using your exchange as an opportunity to spread a different take on DR and it's people, based on my 8 years of interaction with local extended families all over the Island.
Their culture is always considered "corrupt", but it is "corrupt" at every level and to me it's more of a "propina" based culture, almost a free enterprise system, because they are all involved in it, and they all know how to play the game.
In North America, there's a lady about to become President of The United Sates of America, the most powerful job in the world.
She went from "Dead Broke" to amassing a family slush fund worth $5,000,000,000.00 in just a couple of years in politics.
It's all relative.
In Sosua, a puta can steal a few pesos from an unsuspecting guy. In North America a relatively normal woman, can reduce her husband to poverty, take his kids, affect his employment, and even lie to put him in jail.
Go to Europe, where the "propina" is built in, (hidden), you won't find them willing to work so hard or be so helpful to you.
It's all relative.
I'm a lot happier down there with the folks, than I am up here in a large condo complex where people can die, and nobody knows, or cares about anybody and tries to force a smile in the elevator.
As for safety, compare it with most NA inner cities.
If it wasn't for the heat down there......:)
The sight of people standing around is common. However they are so poorly paid that all 3 combined wages would not support a decent life style for one person. They are powerless to do anything about it. 100 years ago unions in the US over turned the very same practices that you see in the DR. The smiles turn to tears when it comes time to pay their bills. There is never anywhere near enough.
When I was in one of the malls in SD, I saw three girls working in a coffee shop. In about two hours, may be they had 15 customers. I asked the girls whether it is a slow day and they said most days the business is similar. I am sure we will not have three girls working here if the business is that slow. I saw the girls relaxed, eating their home food, sharing among themself and another pregnant store keeper came in and they we rubbing her belly. To me it looked like they were socializing, not working. Sure, they make so less money when you compare to folks here, but then their quality of life seemed to be better. Take US and Canada out of the American map, citizens in all rest of the countries make same kind of money. So I keep thinking whether they are making less money, or whether we are making way too much money? When a chica was complaining, I can understand her feelings, don't get me wrong about that, I do understand their struggles. They should stop comparing with USA, and do that with next door neighbours.
When I was in one of the malls in SD, I saw three girls working in a coffee shop. In about two hours, may be they had 15 customers. I asked the girls whether it is a slow day and they said most days the business is similar. I am sure we will not have three girls working here if the business is that slow. I saw the girls relaxed, eating their home food, sharing among themself and another pregnant store keeper came in and they we rubbing her belly. To me it looked like they were socializing, not working. Sure, they make so less money when you compare to folks here, but then their quality of life seemed to be better. Take US and Canada out of the American map, citizens in all rest of the countries make same kind of money. So I keep thinking whether they are making less money, or whether we are making way too much money? When a chica was complaining, I can understand her feelings, don't get me wrong about that, I do understand their struggles. They should stop comparing with USA, and do that with next door neighbours.Agreed in this case, that these girls weren't doing much to earn their pay, but given an apparently empty shop, not sure what they would have done. That attitude is common. If the owner was really concerned (or a better business man) he would put a manager in charge with instructions to implement.
That said, I have often been in large stores (ie, La Sirena) and seen loads of sales girls just standing in their departments, just watching. Presumably on hand if a customer needed assistance.
But while some jobs are easy for loafing, others are not. And a 6 day week is typical.
My novia worked an outside sales job for a plastics company, and on Saturday would return around mid-afternoon.
Normal workdays were about 10 hour days. All for a glorious $250 US a month.
Employers pay little, because they know they can. Complain, and there are 20 people that will jump to take your place.
Its true that the US, even with a huge wealth inequality developed over the last 30 years, is still a dream for most in the Western Hemisphere. They get by better than most, but I would guess at a standard of living that most on this board would not tolerate for long.
But the numbers don't lie. Living in a city, one pays utilities, food, rent, etc, that $200 a month won't cover. Better than many places in the world, but requires some cleverness to get by. I am at a loss as to how they manage. The novia says it is common that people receive gifts from family or friends living outside, in the form of money, or packets of clothes, toys, etc. (In her apartment building, over the last couple of years, two of the eight families living there moved to the US). She has also noted that a number of smaller businesses in Santiago have gone under, so the wealth concentrates in the hands of a few, and well financed businesses often are owned by very wealthy Dominicans, or is using money laundered from illegal activity.
You don't need defending.
I'm just guilty (sorry!) of using your exchange as an opportunity to spread a different take on DR and it's people, based on my 8 years of interaction with local extended families all over the Island.
Their culture is always considered "corrupt", but it is "corrupt" at every level and to me it's more of a "propina" based culture, almost a free enterprise system, because they are all involved in it, and they all know how to play the game.
In North America, there's a lady about to become President of The United Sates of America, the most powerful job in the world.
She went from "Dead Broke" to amassing a family slush fund worth $5,000,000,000.00 in just a couple of years in politics.
It's all relative.
In Sosua, a puta can steal a few pesos from an unsuspecting guy. In North America a relatively normal woman, can reduce her husband to poverty, take his kids, affect his employment, and even lie to put him in jail.
Go to Europe, where the "propina" is built in, (hidden), you won't find them willing to work so hard or be so helpful to you.
It's all relative.
I'm a lot happier down there with the folks, than I am up here in a large condo complex where people can die, and nobody knows, or cares about anybody and tries to force a smile in the elevator.
As for safety, compare it with most NA inner cities.
If it wasn't for the heat down there......:)"Go to Europe, where the "propina" is built in, (hidden), you won't find them willing to work so hard or be so helpful to you. " Amigo, really? On and off, I lived and worked in Europe for almost 10 years, and never encountered that. Individual cases, always exist, however.
You say Hillary has 5 Trillion dollars? Would love to see the sourcing for that information.
I agree that the culture in the US can be pretty cold and impersonal, with some exceptions. Much depends on the culture, big city, versus small town, etc. In Germany, France, Spain, for example, saying "Good Day," even to a stranger, is considered good manners. My speculation is that when there isn't much money, small things count for a lot. The novia and I had a very close call last fall, traveling the mountain road linking Santiago with the area east of Sosua.
The road is a nightmare, very steep and winding, often with a steep drop on one side and a ditch on the other. The brakes went out on her, and the vehicle ended stuck in a ditch.
The Dominican roadside assistance company was useless, likewise the two cops that showed up. After enough motorists passed the scene, about 5-6 guys stopped, looked it over and offered to help. Not one asked for a peso in return. They all pushed as it was hauled out, and one older guy who knew his shit, offered to drive it down the remainder of the mountain. The brakes had since cooled and were functioning again. Upon arriving at the bottom, the guy and his pal following in another vehicle refused to accept any money for their priceless assistance.
I also have to mention that I had to stay close to the vehicle and keep a sharp eye, because one character, separate from the others, kept hanging close to the vehicle, eyeing its interior, with pretty clear intentions to steal whatever he could. Living with little money can bring out the worst (and the best) in people.
Good post Yanqui69, especially that last sentence. I've noticed on the North coast that Dominicans have a more laid back, take it easy, do nothing attitude. Dominicans on the North coast never seem happy about having a job, it's like punishment. Good customer service is nonexistent. It's like they want money for doing nothing.
Santiago, I found Dominicans who smile and want to help you, they are proud of their city and want you to leave with a good impression. Maybe because they are more familiar with American customs and have the attitude that they stand above the rest of the DR cities. American financed opportunities are now going to Santiago but the sources are questionable (wink).
Santo Domingo is the New York of the Caribbean. I don't think it's as gringo friendly as Santiago but the people are go-getters. Street smart and witty, they crave taking advantage of a deal. Dominicans in SD with jobs seem to be playing the game but don't seem prideful but it in a big fast city everyone is looking for the next move.
Personally I think a gringo should think long and hard before opening a business in the DR, unless he has lived there for years and understands the dynamics of how Dominicans operate.
Mr Enternational
04-25-16, 16:10
This is not true. Most Dominican's do not want to leave their country. Many would like to visit the US. But the idea of leaving their home and family is concept only held by the minority. I know many Dominican's with US visas that have visited the United States only to conclude that they didn't like it. Most want to go and visit family and see the country. Not live there.I was on the plane yesterday sitting next to a lady (about 40 years old) who was balling her eyes out. No idea why she was coming to the US, but she damn sure didn't want to leave DR. The lady she was with was holding her hand and told me that it was her first time going somewhere and she didn't want to leave her mom and dad and all her friends.
A girlfriend of mine in Puerto Plata mom has US residency. She stays in the US exactly the 6 months every year that she has to to keep the residency. The rest of the time she is home in DR.
I have helped a few chicks with the visa process (including the one whose mom I mentioned has the residency). In the end not one has wanted to go through with it. They all have different flimsy excuses instead of admitting they really don't want to go.
"Go to Europe, where the "propina" is built in, (hidden), you won't find them willing to work so hard or be so helpful to you. " Amigo, really? On and off, I lived and worked in Europe for almost 10 years, and never encountered that. Individual cases, always exist, however.
You say Hillary has 5 Trillion dollars? Would love to see the sourcing for that information.
I agree that the culture in the US can be pretty cold and impersonal, with some exceptions. Much depends on the culture, big city, versus small town, etc. In Germany, France, Spain, for example, saying "Good Day," even to a stranger, is considered good manners. My speculation is that when there isn't much money, small things count for a lot. The novia and I had a very close call last fall, traveling the mountain road linking Santiago with the area east of Sosua.
The road is a nightmare, very steep and winding, often with a steep drop on one side and a ditch on the other. The brakes went out on her, and the vehicle ended stuck in a ditch.
The Dominican roadside assistance company was useless, likewise the two cops that showed up. After enough motorists passed the scene, about 5-6 guys stopped, looked it over and offered to help. Not one asked for a peso in return. They all pushed as it was hauled out, and one older guy who knew his shit, offered to drive it down the remainder of the mountain. The brakes had since cooled and were functioning again. Upon arriving at the bottom, the guy and his pal following in another vehicle refused to accept any money for their priceless assistance.
I also have to mention that I had to stay close to the vehicle and keep a sharp eye, because one character, separate from the others, kept hanging close to the vehicle, eyeing its interior, with pretty clear intentions to steal whatever he could. Living with little money can bring out the worst (and the best) in people.The Washington Post, not known to be an enemy of Hillary, "The inside story of how the Clintons built a $2 billion global empire, By David A. Fahrenthold, Tom Hamburger and Rosalind S. Helderman June 2, 2015.
That was over a year ago, but the moderator here doesn't like links, so I'll just tell you to look up "dicoverthenetwork" Those links stretch far and wide into the developed and undeveloped world. They also had fingers in Haiti development of course. It serves as a holding tank for ex politicians, ex journalists (see journalists contributions to the Clinton Foundation) campaign staff, family and anybody who can be useful to them. Charitable works, not so much. See Haiti again :)
In the USA It is accepted and defended as nothing unusual, they are going to reward her with the Presidency, but in the DR their government is known as the "mafioso" which in my opinion makes them a quantum leap street smarter than the average North American.
They also don't see the point in looting, rioting, and burning down their own cities and places of business, so that's another factor in their favor.
Aside from that, there's the cheap sex.
And try putting a Charamicos resident, used to the street scene, music, dancing, open bars, family and friends on the street, into some condo in snowy weather up here, or in Germany, with no Dominican food, and you get the idea, that not a lot of them are keen to move out, unless the guy is rich. They'd much rather stay home with friends and family, stay relatively monogamous, collect the weekly remittance, enjoy the condo and maybe the motoconcho or even the SUV, and be satisfied being married whenever he can get away from the wife in Holland or Germany :)
But, as always, YMMV.
However,
Rather than just providing your perspective, you make assumptions about me without knowing anything about me, and take the aggressive "flaming" attitude, not just offering a differing view, but trying to insult the writer. Uncalled for. Not sure what causes or justifies your attitude.
You presume I troll Sosua.
"But if you are sexual tourist, you probably haven't taken enough time from getting your dick off at the lowest possible price as many times as possible to look around and see the profound positive changes occurring in this country. ".
You know nothing about me.
Fact is, I haven't had a hooker in Sosua since 2005. Most of the last 7 or 8 years, I have spent my time in Santiago, not a sex tourist Mecca.I made no assumptions about you Mr. Yanqui. I said nothing about Sosua. And I said "IF". You say you are not a sex tourist. I accept that. But you are the one that felt to need to defend yourself publicly. I didn't say you were a sex tourist. Read carefully before you comment next time.
So, you're running your mouth in third gear, with brain in neutral.Actually, this is a written medium. So I didn't use my mouth in any gear. Furthermore your analogy is faulty. A gear implies a transmission. Wouldn't that make the brain the engine? Therefore it's possible that you intended to proffer the insult that "Your brain was at idle? I don't know you so how could I possible know what you were trying to say.
"The fact that you choose to associate with hustlers and scammers should not color your views of the entire country."
You know nothing about me, Sunshine, so ranting about what is "fact" is beyond your knowledge.You are correct with this point. I made the statement as fact. It was not. For that I apologize.
As for the rest of my post I stick by what I said.
Oakie,
Thank you for your defense but it is unnecessary. Like "SubCdr" you make the assumption I hang out in Sosua.
Reality is, I haven't looked for a woman there in over a decade.
I have seen more of the country than my attacker assumes, though, of course, I'm not a resident.
See my supporting argument in the previous post.Mr. Oakie,
Neither you nor I assumed that Mr. Yanqui hangs out in Sosua. It's Mr. Yanqui's hair trigger sensitivity that led him to make this knee jerk response. Furthermore he made the statement several more times and was not content to make his point and let it rest. I didn't attack him. I didn't say thing about the actual amount of time or knowledge that Mr. Yanqui has about the Dominican Republic. I just offered a different viewpoint than he has. He didn't like it. Got upset and struck back. He has now chosen to support his views through examples of personal experiences. That is good. I enjoy hearing about different experiences here. It is impossible for me to argue with the validity of empirical evidence. But rarely can we draw solid broad based conclusions from it.
Mr. Oakie,
Neither you nor I assumed that Mr. Yanqui hangs out in Sosua. It's Mr. Yanqui's hair trigger sensitivity that led him to make this knee jerk response. Furthermore he made the statement several more times and was not content to make his point and let it rest. I didn't attack him. I didn't say thing about the actual amount of time or knowledge that Mr. Yanqui has about the Dominican Republic. I just offered a different viewpoint than he has. He didn't like it. Got upset and struck back. He has now chosen to support his views through examples of personal experiences. That is good. I enjoy hearing about different experiences here. It is impossible for me to argue with the validity of empirical evidence. But rarely can we draw solid broad based conclusions from it.Looks like you two have worked it out. Great.
I'm a big fan of DR, so if I see a bunch of negative stuff, I'll try to add some balance, and remind them why they are spending big bucks to get down there.
While they haven't caught up with our society, they have a lot to offer, and after our relatively overregulated society, a little openness and personal freedom makes a nice change. And as for "smarts", I'd rather be shipwrecked with Dominicans. In fact I have been close :)
I like your observation, "I enjoy hearing about different experiences here. It is impossible for me to argue with the validity of empirical evidence. But rarely can we draw solid broad based conclusions from it".
I was on the plane yesterday sitting next to a lady (about 40 years old) who was balling her eyes out. No idea why she was coming to the US, but she damn sure didn't want to leave DR. The lady she was with was holding her hand and told me that it was her first time going somewhere and she didn't want to leave her mom and dad and all her friends.
A girlfriend of mine in Puerto Plata mom has US residency. She stays in the US exactly the 6 months every year that she has to to keep the residency. The rest of the time she is home in DR.
I have helped a few chicks with the visa process (including the one whose mom I mentioned has the residency). In the end not one has wanted to go through with it. They all have different flimsy excuses instead of admitting they really don't want to go.I was happy visiting down there, occasionally staying with local family. My regular always talked about visiting me. After a few years, one night over drinks, my buddy asked why she never came back with me (I'm single). She literally jumped out of the chair, Si!
Well, we fucked around trying to optimize dates, visa, insurance, and family issues for a couple years, and finally I got tired of the long and expensive trips to SD, where you could wait around for half a day. The money needed to be topped up often too, it had a way of leaving her account for emergencies (like food) :)
I lost interest, and what you just posted here, is probably just as valid an answer as to why it never happened. She lost interest too.
It would be like me, being invited to stay with a chica up in Baffinland Sounds like fun, but on second thoughts........
I was happy visiting down there, occasionally staying with local family. My regular always talked about visiting me. After a few years, one night over drinks, my buddy asked why she never came back with me (I'm single). She literally jumped out of the chair, Si!
Well, we fucked around trying to optimize dates, visa, insurance, and family issues for a couple years, and finally I got tired of the long and expensive trips to SD, where you could wait around for half a day. The money needed to be topped up often too, it had a way of leaving her account for emergencies (like food) :)
I lost interest, and what you just posted here, is probably just as valid an answer as to why it never happened. She lost interest too.
It would be like me, being invited to stay with a chica up in Baffinland Sounds like fun, but on second thoughts........Count your blessings and get rid of that friend who opened his big mouth and cost you all that money LOL. I don't know of any (I'm sure there are some) successful relationships of Dominicans moving to another country to be with a foreigner. I know of many relationships where they moved away briefly but were now happily back in the DR sola. With this said, only a fool does this in my opinion. Just go there and enjoy them in their culture where they are happy.
Let's look at it: ask yourself does she show interest in other cultures? Most Dominicans I know could care less about other cultures because they have been brainwashed to believe theirs is the best and only one that counts.
Can she be domesticated, can she cook and clean? Some can, most can't (I'm talking about under 30 yo).
Will she work or further her education? She will need structure and be serious about it otherwise she will get bored and miss home. Idle time will allow her to meet other Dominicans and unless you have a special girl, maybe start cheating. When the Dominican mailman starts delivering mail on Sunday, you have lost her.
Dominican families are tight so expect a monthly allowance for the relatives back home or you will not have a happy home.
Don't expect the sex to get better, she has already hit the jackpot unless you can find another carrot to dangle in front of her.
If she has more than one kid relocating with her, you are fucked.
If you are a naturally jealous guy, you are fucked. Dominicans like to look good and get attention. You knew this before you exported her.
The good thing is that when they realized this dumb gringo in love set her up by taking her out of her culture and ruined her life, she will be hauling ass back to the DR to be with Ramon and her Dominican cousins and not taking all your money with her.
For those who are trying to learn Spanish (the Dominican version) but still with a limited vocabulary, there is a useful word, "vaina". In other parts of the Hispanic world they say la cosa, meaning "thing" in English. It's really practical, because you can replace any thing you don't know with "la vaina". For example, if you don't know the word suitcase in Spanish, you can say, "esa vaina donde llevas la ropa, cuando viajas" (the thing where you carry your clothes when traveling). It's quite normal in DR to say it in that way and the beauty of the word is that the girls are not going to think that the stupid gringo can't speak proper Spanish, but they are going to think, that handsome, rich gringo speaks like a real Dominican.
Here is a Dominican self parody of the use of the word. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyBj7dImx2I.
Tempoecorto
04-27-16, 21:45
For those who are trying to learn Spanish (the Dominican version) but still with a limited vocabulary, there is a useful word, "vaina". In other parts of the Hispanic world they say la cosa, meaning "thing" in English.I just want to add a cautionary tale. When I first heard "vaina", I thought they were saying "vahina" - in other words referring to vagina, which created not a few funny and confounding situations. Beware!
I just want to add a cautionary tale. When I first heard "vaina", I thought they were saying "vahina" - in other words referring to vagina, which created not a few funny and confounding situations. Beware!LOL Better keep the letter "I" really short.
The good thing is that when they realized this dumb gringo in love set her up by taking her out of her culture and ruined her life, she will be hauling ass back to the DR to be with Ramon and her Dominican cousins and not taking all your money with her.Right on Mr GG:
Where I live I see a a lot of Viet, Thai and Philippino "war brides".
It's stereotypical. We have a pub with a nice patio in the summer and the boys can get quite "friendly" with passing girls. There's a lot of apartments and condos in the area and a lot of retired guys.
It happens often, the old guy, arm in arm, or holding hands (yuk!) with his young Asian girl are walking past. She gets smiles, and the odd polite comment from some of the younger guys, she looks over and smiles back, as if she wishes the old man would bring her in for a refreshment.
The old guy pulls her away to get her back to the apartment (bed and kitchen), but she takes one last look over her shoulder at the guys, before he drags her off.
I can imagine the conversation when they get home :)
It's a lose, lose for everybody involved.
I just want to add a cautionary tale. When I first heard "vaina", I thought they were saying "vahina" - in other words referring to vagina, which created not a few funny and confounding situations. Beware!A tip: "vaina" is two syllables, "vahina" or "vagina" is three syllables.
Right on Mr GG:
Where I live I see a a lot of Viet, Thai and Philippino "war brides".
It's stereotypical. We have a pub with a nice patio in the summer and the boys can get quite "friendly" with passing girls. There's a lot of apartments and condos in the area and a lot of retired guys.
It happens often, the old guy, arm in arm, or holding hands (yuk!) with his young Asian girl are walking past. She gets smiles, and the odd polite comment from some of the younger guys, she looks over and smiles back, as if she wishes the old man would bring her in for a refreshment.
The old guy pulls her away to get her back to the apartment (bed and kitchen), but she takes one last look over her shoulder at the guys, before he drags her off.
I can imagine the conversation when they get home :)
It's a lose, lose for everybody involved.Agreed. (Heavy sigh).
Right on Mr GG:
Where I live I see a a lot of Viet, Thai and Philippino "war brides".
It's stereotypical. We have a pub with a nice patio in the summer and the boys can get quite "friendly" with passing girls. There's a lot of apartments and condos in the area and a lot of retired guys.
It happens often, the old guy, arm in arm, or holding hands (yuk!) with his young Asian girl are walking past. She gets smiles, and the odd polite comment from some of the younger guys, she looks over and smiles back, as if she wishes the old man would bring her in for a refreshment.
The old guy pulls her away to get her back to the apartment (bed and kitchen), but she takes one last look over her shoulder at the guys, before he drags her off.
I can imagine the conversation when they get home :)
It's a lose, lose for everybody involved.I agree. (Tears welling up in eyes).
On the other hand.
A chica I knew years ago told me her mother (late 40's) lived with an old Dominican in his 70's. (No money here).
In a Colombian family I know, Grandma married Grandpa when she was 18 and he was 37.
Same family, a male cousin in his 50's married a woman in her 20's.
A female cousin married a Colombian man more than 20 years her senior.
(In the States, however, these couples would be the subject of a lot of jokes and behind the back snickering). The odds are against such pairs, especially when the elder starts to age and lose their physical attractiveness. Even Ashton Kutscher could only put up with Demi Moore for so long before he found a woman his own age.
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