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I agree. (Tears welling up in eyes).
On the other hand.
A chica I knew years ago told me her mother (late 40's) lived with an old Dominican in his 70's. (No money here).
In a Colombian family I know, Grandma married Grandpa when she was 18 and he was 37.
Same family, a male cousin in his 50's married a woman in her 20's.
A female cousin married a Colombian man more than 20 years her senior.
(In the States, however, these couples would be the subject of a lot of jokes and behind the back snickering). The odds are against such pairs, especially when the elder starts to age and lose their physical attractiveness. Even Ashton Kutscher could only put up with Demi Moore for so long before he found a woman his own age.I cried too, when I found out it wasn't really love.
Her aunt was always asking me why I wouldn't marry the girl. I said what's the point?, I'll be dead in a couple of years.
She said, No problem, she will love you 'till you die.
Then what? I asked.
No problem, she said, She'll just find somebody else!
Got to love the philosophy :)
A tip: "vaina" is two syllables, "vahina" or "vagina" is three syllables.In all due respect, when in context the words are never confused. My friends are always saying "deja la vaina. " Some people even say the 'v' with a 'be' sound. Also, 'vaina' is slang while 'vagina' isn't. For the most part any Spanish speaking person knows what 'vagina' is while many, especially outside the Caribbean, are not familiar with 'vaina. ' Like 'guagua' and 'pon'; region based words. Not unlike English. When I was in Texas my cousin used the words 'fender lizard' and 'The Courts. ' he had to explain these terms to me.
In all due respect, when in context the words are never confused. My friends are always saying "deja la vaina. " Some people even say the 'v' with a 'be' sound. Also, 'vaina' is slang while 'vagina' isn't. For the most part any Spanish speaking person knows what 'vagina' is while many, especially outside the Caribbean, are not familiar with 'vaina.Of course, for us who speak fluent Spanish, the difference is clear, but not necessarily for those who are learning Spanish and are trying to pick a word here and there and have no idea of the context.
In the ISG Brasil section there is a thread for words and phrases in Portuguese and I think the same would be useful for many DR mongers too.
Charles Pooter
04-28-16, 21:15
In all due respect, when in context the words are never confused. They are etymologically the same.
"Vagina" was the Latin word for "sheath". Like many Latin words it survived in English only as a medical term.
It shortened to "vaina" as Latin corrupted to Spanish (and to "guaina" in Italian) but retained its original meaning of "sheath". It also became an all-purpose slang word for "thing" in Caribbean Spanish. In this usage it has no particular sexual connotation, but I am confident it originally did, many centuries ago. When I was a schoolboy, "thing" was the usual name for the female organ for us smutty-minded oiks. Perhaps it still is?
I do not think there is an exact equivalent in English. I have seen words like "thingamabob" suggested, but they are not the same. They refer to things we do not know the correct name of, or it has slipped our mind. But "vaina" can be used for everyday familiar objects like chairs, bags, shirts, where everyone knows the word.
So why use it, with no advantage and a potential loss of precision? Ask a Dominican, but I suspect it is usually slightly demeaning or suggests impatience. "Pass me the vaina" is more polite than "Pass me the fucking monkey-wrench".
Some people even say the 'v' with a 'be' sound.In Spanish, the letters bee and vee are pronounced identically, and there is no vibration of the lips as with the English vee. In Spanish, both letters are pronounced bee.
I cried too, when I found out it wasn't really love.
Her aunt was always asking me why I wouldn't marry the girl. I said what's the point?, I'll be dead in a couple of years.
She said, No problem, she will love you 'till you die.
Then what? I asked.
No problem, she said, She'll just find somebody else!
Got to love the philosophy :)"No problem, she will love you 'till you die. "
It actually makes some sense, if you're happy with her.
I can think of worse things.
Once you're gone, you won't care if she finds someone else.
In Spanish, the letters bee and vee are pronounced identically, and there is no vibration of the lips as with the English vee. In Spanish, both letters are pronounced bee.Except, when between two vowels, like in caballo or lluvia, they are pronounced as "v".
In Spanish, the letters bee and vee are pronounced identically, and there is no vibration of the lips as with the English vee. In Spanish, both letters are pronounced bee.Now there may be certain regional pronunciations and / or words here or there where the two letters are pronounced the same, but the chart here shows the proper pronunciation of these two letters in Spanish when the language is spoken correctly: http://www.spanishdict.com/topics/show/114 (it's beh and veh). Now, it's easy to see how the two letters might sound the same to the unacclimated ear, especially when hearing them spoken at a rapid pace, but the two letters generally speaking do not share identical pronunciation. Close, but not identical.
...http://www.spanishdict.com/topics/show/114...I clicked the link and cut and pasted the two sounds. The sounds are very similar.
Be beh After a pause or the letters l, m, or and, it sounds much like an English be. However, in all other cases, the lips do not even touch, producing a more whisper like sound almost close to the pronunciation of the letter v.
V veh Much like the Spanish be where the lips do not touch and there is less aspiration.
That said, no disrespect to anyone but formal Spanish and saying things properly I do not think is a top priority for some of the locals we meet along the way. I am sure some of the chicas I've met have not touched a book in years. Just writing their names becomes a challenge (on this trip alone I asked two chicas to write their names down and, would you believe it, they spelled their names wrong! I kid you not.). For the average local, as long as they are understood that is all they care about. Some probably do not make a distinction between 'be' and 'v' as long as you get their drift.
And, of course, education is a factor. The more highly educated, the less slang (although never totally eliminated), and the more formal their usage.
That said, no disrespect to anyone but formal Spanish and saying things properly I do not think is a top priority for some of the locals we meet along the way.This is very, very true. In fact, just like with English, there are different pronunciations and dialects throughout the Spanish-speaking world to where some people would not understand what you were saying to them if you were speaking to them using "proper" Castilian Spanish. I tried to think of words that I learned to pronounce where the letters "B" and "V" were pronounced 100% exactly the same, and the only one I can recall for now is the word "veinte", which means "twenty". I'm sure there are others, but I just can't think of any others right now. The real trick to good communication in Spanish is to learn how the local "gente" (people) say it, and then you're golden! I remember that the first time I went to Argentina, it took me two or three days to fully understand what people were saying to me because they had this strange "sh" sound that they would add to words. Bunch of Italians trying to speak Spanish LOL!
Now there may be certain regional pronunciations and / or words here or there wbhere the two letters are pronounced the same, but the chart here shows the proper pronunciation of these two letters in Spanish when the language is spoken correctly: http://www.spanishdict.com/topics/show/114 (it's beh and veh). Now, it's easy to see how the two letters might sound the same to the unacclimated ear, especially when hearing them spoken at a rapid pace, but the two letters generally speaking do not share identical pronunciation. Close, but not identical.Huh. Because what the link actually says about vee is: "Much like the Spanish be where the lips do not touch and there is less aspiration. " However, I would rate this site as a poor source, especially since it does not seem to know that bee is called "bay grande" while vee is called "bay chica" (other names such as 'bay larga' are also used).
One thing about the Spanish language is that there is an official authority, Real Academia Española in Madrid. Here you can see that they show that the two letters represent the same sound:
http://www.rae.es/diccionario-panhispanico-de-dudas/representacion-de-sonidos
See also:
http://www.studyspanish.com/pronunciation/letter_bv.htm
Then this is straight from the Academia Real (my emphasis added):
'No existe en español diferencia alguna en la pronunciación de las letras b y v. Las dos representan hoy el sonido bilabial sonoro /b/. La ortografía española mantuvo por tradición ambas letras, que en latín representaban sonidos distintos. En el español medieval hay abundantes muestras de confusión entre una y otra grafía, prueba de su confluencia progresiva en la representación indistinta del mismo sonido, confluencia que era ya general en el siglo xvi. La pronunciación de la v como labiodental no ha existido nunca en español, y solo se da de forma espontánea en hablantes valencianos o mallorquines y en los de algunas zonas del sur de Cataluña, cuando hablan castellano, por influencia de su lengua regional. También se da espontáneamente en algunos puntos de América por influjo de las lenguas amerindias. En el resto de los casos, es un error que cometen algunas personas por un equivocado prurito de corrección, basado en recomendaciones del pasado, pues aunque la Academia reconoció ya desde el Diccionario de Autoridades (1726-1739) que «los españoles no hacemos distinción en la pronunciación de estas dos letras», varias ediciones de la Ortografía y de la Gramática académicas de los siglos xviii, xix y principios del xx describieron, e incluso recomendaron, la pronunciación de la v como labiodental. Se creyó entonces conveniente distinguirla de la b, como ocurría en varias de las grandes lenguas europeas, entre ellas el francés y el inglés, de tan notable influjo en esas épocas; pero ya desde la Gramática de 1911 la Academia dejó de recomendar explícitamente esta distinción. En resumen, la pronunciación correcta de la letra v en español es idéntica a la de la b, por lo que no existe oralmente ninguna diferencia en nuestro idioma entre palabras como baca y vaca, bello y vello, acerbo y acervo.'
It's the same sound, dudes. There are two ways to pronounce both letters, lips touching (labial stop) and not touching, depending on the preceding letter (s), but for any given combination of letters, bee and dee are the exact same.
Q. E. D.
...'No existe en espaol diferencia alguna en la pronunciacin de las letras b y v. Las dos representan hoy el sonido bilabial sonoro /b/. La ortografa espaola mantuvo por tradicin ambas letras, que en latn representaban sonidos distintos. En el espaol medieval hay abundantes muestras de confusin entre una y otra grafa, prueba de su confluencia progresiva en la representacin indistinta del mismo sonido, confluencia que era ya general en el siglo xvi. La pronunciacin de la v como labiodental no ha existido nunca en espaol, y solo se da de forma espontnea en hablantes valencianos o mallorquines y en los de algunas zonas del sur de Catalua, cuando hablan castellano, por influencia de su lengua regional. Tambin se da espontneamente en algunos puntos de Amrica por influjo de las lenguas amerindias. En el resto de los casos, es un error que cometen algunas personas por un equivocado prurito de correccin, basado en recomendaciones del pasado, pues aunque la Academia reconoci ya desde el Diccionario de Autoridades (1726-1739) que los espaoles no hacemos distincin en la pronunciacin de estas dos letras, varias ediciones de la Ortografa y de la Gramtica acadmicas de los siglos xviii, xix y principios del xx describieron, e incluso recomendaron, la pronunciacin de la v como labiodental. Se crey entonces conveniente distinguirla de la b, como ocurra en varias de las grandes lenguas europeas, entre ellas el francs y el ingls, de tan notable influjo en esas pocas; pero ya desde la Gramtica de 1911 la Academia dej de recomendar explcitamente esta distincin. En resumen, la pronunciacin correcta de la letra v en espaol es idntica a la de la b, por lo que no existe oralmente ninguna diferencia en nuestro idioma entre palabras como baca y vaca, bello y vello, acerbo y acervo.'
It's the same sound, dudes. There are two ways to pronounce both letters, lips touching (labial stop) and not touching, depending on the preceding letter (s), but for any given combination of letters, bee and dee are the exact same.
Q. E. D.This is rough translation (for those who do not speak Spanish or are rusty):
There does not exist in Spanish any difference in pronunciation of the letters b and v. The two represent today the bilabial sonorous sound / b /. The Spanish orthography kept up by tradition both letters, that in the Latin represented distinct sounds. In Medieval Spain there are abundant examples of confusion between one and the other spelling, proof of this progressive confluence in the indistinct representation of the same sound, confluence that was general in the 16th century. The pronunciation of the v as a labiodental never existed in Spain, and only gave spontaneous form for inhabitants of Valencia, Mallorca and in some zones south of Catalan, when speaking Catalan is influenced by the regional language. It is also spontaneous in some parts of America by influence of the Amerindian languages. In the rest of the cases it is an error that some persons have committed by a wrong itch of correction, based on past recommendations, although the Academy recognizes the Official Dictionary (1726-1739) that <<the Spaniards does not make distinction in the pronunciation of these letters, various editions of the Orthography and the Gramatical Academys of the 18th, 19th, and the beginning of the 20th century describe and include recommendations, the pronunciation of the v like labiodental, it believed the it was convenient to distinguish the b, how it occurred in various of the great Europen languages, those of French, and English, of notable influence in those eras. But since the Gramatica of 1911 the Academy left the explicit recommendation of distinction. It resumed the pronunciation of the letter v in Spanish as identical to b, for there does not exist, orally, any difference in our language between words like baca an vaca, bello and vello, acerbo and acervo.
The Cane brought out a point about Argentina. The population there is 10% Italian. As for the 'sh' sound I've talked to people from Spain who speak the same way. Some regions use it while others do not.
Huh. Because what the link actually says about vee is: "Much like the Spanish be where the lips do not touch and there is less aspiration. " However, I would rate this site as a poor source, especially since it does not seem to know that bee is called "bay grande" while vee is called "bay chica" (other names such as 'bay larga' are also used).
One thing about the Spanish language is that there is an official authority, Real Academia Espanola in Madrid. Here you can see that they show that the two letters represent the same sound:OK, but I'm talking about the way that people "really" speak regardless of what the authority says. I've been taught Spanish from many different people from all over the Spanish-speaking world, including Spain itself, and I know for sure they don't all in practice always pronounce those two letters exactly the same way. And now that I think about it, I know darn well that not a single one of my Spanish instructors (all educated teachers) have ever told me that those two letters have an identical pronunciation. Not a single one of them have ever said that, and it's their language, and not mine. Just saying I have learned from people who are educated language instructors by profession, and none of them have ever told me that or taught me that way.
Now take that word "vagina". I've heard it routinely pronounced as "vee-hee-na" versus "bee-hee-na". In fact, I've never heard the latter pronunciation! Again, I think it comes down to where people are from, and just like with English, people don't always speak in the manner that the "authorities" would deem to be proper. Oh, and Boriman I wasn't confusing what I call the "Castilian lisp" with what I was hearing in Argentina. That lisp is a "th" sound versus the "sh" sound I was hearing in Argentina. Two totally different sounds. I've been to Spain too and had no problems understanding them while as I said, in Argentina it took me 2 to 3 days to fully understand what they were saying! The "th" lisp in Spain versus the "sh" in Argentina. Two totally different sounds my friend.
Now take that word "vagina". I've heard it routinely pronounced as "vee-hee-na" versus "bee-hee-na". In fact, I've never heard the latter pronunciation! Oh, and Boriman I wasn't confusing what I call the "Castilian lisp" with what I was hearing in Argentina. That lisp is a "th" sound versus the "sh" sound I was hearing in Argentina.I meant to write "veh-hee-na" versus "beh-hee-na". And Boriman, here is an example of what I'm talking about. Take the word "estampa" or "stamp" in English. In Buenos Aires people would say "eshstampa" with a hard emphasis on the "sh". That was enough to throw me off for a few days until I could get the pronunciation. If somebody in Madrid were to say it, perhaps they would say "ethstampa" LOL! For some reason, it was easier for me to get what was being said with the "th" versus the "sh". Perhaps because I never learned any of my Spanish from an Argentino and hadn't heard any of that "sh" sound until I went to Argentina for the first time.
OK, but I'm talking about the way that people "really" speak regardless of what the authority says. I've been taught Spanish from many different people from all over the Spanish-speaking world, including Spain itself, and I know for sure they don't all in practice always pronounce those two letters exactly the same way. And now that I think about it, I know darn well that not a single one of my Spanish instructors (all educated teachers) have ever told me that those two letters have an identical pronunciation. Not a single one of them have ever said that, and it's their language, and not mine. Just saying I have learned from people who are educated language instructors by profession, and none of them have ever told me that or taught me that way.
Now take that word "vagina". I've heard it routinely pronounced as "vee-hee-na" versus "bee-hee-na". In fact, I've never heard the latter pronunciation! Again, I think it comes down to where people are from, and just like with English, people don't always speak in the manner that the "authorities" would deem to be proper. Oh, and Boriman I wasn't confusing what I call the "Castilian lisp" with what I was hearing in Argentina. That lisp is a "th" sound versus the "sh" sound I was hearing in Argentina. Two totally different sounds. I've been to Spain too and had no problems understanding them while as I said, in Argentina it took me 2 to 3 days to fully understand what they were saying! The "th" lisp in Spain versus the "sh" in Argentina. Two totally different sounds my friend.Sir, you are wrong. No teacher from Spain, worth his or her name, would ever say be and v are pronounced differently. And if they did, I would question their credentials and ask for my money back.
Sir, you are wrong. No teacher from Spain, worth his or her name, would ever say be and v are pronounced differently. And if they did, I would question their credentials and ask for my money back.OK, I think this explanation finally gets at what I'm trying to say. I've been using "pronunciation" and "sound" interchangeably when those are really two different things:
The Spanish "B" (B larga) and "v" (V corta) are pronounced exactly alike. These letters have two separate sounds, hard and soft. At the beginning of a word and after "m" or "and", the hard Spanish "B/ V" closely resembles the "B" in the word "boy," except that the lips are held tense. In other situations, the "B/ V" is pronounced like an English "B" in which the lips are not allowed to touch. This is a sound that does not exist in English.
So in properly spoken Spanish, the "pronunciation" is the same, but sometimes the "sound" is hard or soft depending on the word you're using, and that's the difference I'm trying to note. And of course we have to remember that, as with any language, there will be variation among Spanish speakers.
So no sir, I neither need nor want my money back. To correct myself then, no Spanish teacher I've ever had (and I've had some excellent ones) has ever told me that the two letters always "sound" exactly the same in every word (versus how the letters are "pronounced" which is a related but slightly different matter).
I didn't expect this interesting discussion, when I took up the word vaina, to help those who are trying to learn some Spanish with a useful word. The most important thing for me about languages is to understand and to be understood, be able to communicate with the locals. Many Dominicans think that I'm Spanish, when I speak with them, but even after having lived 10 years in Madrid I will always speak like a "guiri" (a foreigner).
Letters b and v are pronounced in the same way when they are in the same situation like in vaca (cow) and bala (bullet), but v in vaca is not pronounced as the v in universidad. The rule that b and v are pronounced in the same way means that the word universidad is pronounced in the same way regardless if it was written universidad or unibersidad (latter of course being wrong).
Here is a simplified video of the pronunciation of the letters b and v. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t8IftUsl2XA.
Tempoecorto
04-30-16, 15:19
I didn't expect this interesting discussion, when I took up the word vaina, to help those who are trying to learn some Spanish with a useful word. Indeed, I too was floored by the large number of responses and it did turn out to be an interesting discussion and learning point. I, speaking Spanish, coming from an Italian background, pronounce V clearly as in "Vamos" and so learning that "vamos" is equally OK, though not spelling wise, is somewhat disconcerting as I watched your video. It also explains why the Dominican, always spell wrongly.
One more story, speaking of the idiosyncrasy of a language, in this case Spanish of the mother land and that of the colonies: I was speaking with someone from the DR, about Pescado (fish), when all of a sudden, he started blathering about "sin" (pecado), which was another of those confounding episodes, much to my glee later. Later I discovered how in many of the countries of America del Sur, and in Mexico, Spanish is called "Español". Darn! LOL.
Indeed, I too was floored by the large number of responses and it did turn out to be an interesting discussion and learning point. I, speaking Spanish, coming from an Italian background, pronounce V clearly as in "Vamos" and so learning that "vamos" is equally OK, though not spelling wise, is somewhat disconcerting as I watched your video. It also explains why the Dominican, always spell wrongly.
One more story, speaking of the idiosyncrasy of a language, in this case Spanish of the mother land and that of the colonies: I was speaking with someone from the DR, about Pescado (fish), when all of a sudden, he started blathering about "sin" (pecado), which was another of those confounding episodes, much to my glee later. Later I discovered how in many of the countries of America del Sur, and in Mexico, Spanish is called "Espaol". Darn! LOL.Maybe of some amusement.
Each country has its own version of Spanish.
In the Caribbean, there is often a tendency to slur and run the words together.
The Colombian wife of a friend of mine was out with her young daughter, and they heard a Puerto Rican guy talking.
The little girl asked, "Mommy, why is that man talking baby talk?
I meant to write "veh-hee-na" versus "beh-hee-na". I have never heard either of these pronunciations, but I have heard both "vah-hee-na" and "ba-hee-na", mostly the latter. Ben-the is common for 20, esepcially when dealing with motoconchos.
The letters be and v are interchangeable in several languages, for example Russian в1086;1076;1082;1072; is vodka, and in Greek the second letter of the alphabet, Beta (946;942;964;945 is pronounced víta. If Greeks want to use the hard be sound, they will put an M and a P together to get something like Charles Mpronson (Bronson), which I once saw on a movie poster in Greece.
However, I would say that the Spanish letters 'be' and 'v' are pronounced midway between their English equivalents, so they meet in the middle. So the 'be' is softer than English 'be' and the 'v' is further forward in the mouth than than the English 'be'.
Vaina also has some analogs with the Haitian word 'bagay', which seems to be the most common word in the Kreyol language and means about the same thing. (Actually comes from French word for baggage.).
Maybe of some amusement.
Each country has its own version of Spanish.
In the Caribbean, there is often a tendency to slur and run the words together.
The Colombian wife of a friend of mine was out with her young daughter, and they heard a Puerto Rican guy talking.
The little girl asked, "Mommy, why is that man talking baby talk?Same goes for English, if you think about it.
Charles Pooter
04-30-16, 22:36
Vaina also has some analogs with the Haitian word 'bagay', which seems to be the most common word in the Kreyol language and means about the same thing. (Actually comes from French word for baggage.).I did not know that derivation. Frannie, you are a mine of information on a board which can be a minefield of misinformation.
"Bagay" is used also in the abstract as "the thing I want to talk to you about" (usually a request for money) or something I learned from American movies: "Here's the thing", meaning "Here's the catch" or "Here's the main point".
As far as I know, "vaina" is only used for physical objects, but I could be wrong.
...I meant toTake the word "estampa" or "stamp" in English. In Buenos Aires people would say "eshstampa" with a hard emphasis on the "sh"...I had a friend from Spain who had this habit of using the 'sh' instead of the 's' in words. When I brought it to his attention he was embarrassed and said that he was aware that he sounded that way. I guess what must have been happening was that many Spanish speaking people he was encountering in the States kept on bringing it up.
As for Frannie, he is correct in that the same thing of slurring and running words together does occur in English. In it's extreme form this is what led to the transition from Middle English to Modern English. At one time, for words like 'knight,' the 'gh' was not silent (it was a German guttural) but now the 'gh' is silent because people wanted to speak faster. It is a common feature of all languages in the world that people want to speak faster.
Bathically, if you learn cathtilian spanish and then you thpeak like that in Mékthico, you thound like a thithy or thome kind of a maricón. Now the argies, the way they talk sounds a lot more like -zh than -sh to me.
I had a borinqueña GF one time and after dinner she would always look at me and say 'Potre?' It was weeks before I figured out she was asking if there was any dessert.
So you have the dominicanos and borinqueños swallowing their esses, while nearby you have the cubanos adding needless esses to the end of the preterite (hicistes, pusistes, vistes, etc.). It's like some kind of foreign exchange program.
Now the argies, the way they talk sounds a lot more like -zh than -sh to me.I get this. And definitely by the time you arrive in Uruguay there's no question it's clearly "zh" versus "sh" where I found this sound to be pronounced even harder by Uruguayans!
"Bagay" is used also in the abstract as "the thing I want to talk to you about" (usually a request for money) or something I learned from American movies: "Here's the thing", meaning "Here's the catch" or "Here's the main point".
Interesting subject. In northern U.K., they had a term "that there" which was a polite reference to money owed.
"Did you ask your friend about "that there"?, a wife might ask in front of the kids.
"A bit o' goin on" was a stop gap, could be a quick bite between meals, or a wrong colored button sowed on temporarily.
I left the UK in 1960 when we had a really strong regional accent, so I had to change to be understood in NA.
So, there is a time warp. My old accent is frozen in time (1960) I can turn on the old accent, with it's sayings, but because English accents are homogenized now (Bristol DJ), when I use it over there with the old folks, I have them in stitches. It's "Well, I haven't heard THAT expression in years", and the youngsters just stare at me blankly.
(Probably like some will here for being off topic) :)
Bathically, if you learn cathtilian spanish and then you thpeak like that in Mkthico, you thound like a thithy or thome kind of a maricn. Now the argies, the way they talk sounds a lot more like -zh than -sh to me.
I had a borinquea GF one time and after dinner she would always look at me and say 'Potre?' It was weeks before I figured out she was asking if there was any dessert.
So you have the dominicanos and borinqueos swallowing their esses, while nearby you have the cubanos adding needless esses to the end of the preterite (hicistes, pusistes, vistes, etc.). It's like some kind of foreign exchange program.The "po'tre" struck a chord. The point I was making in an earlier post about the Caribbean shortening of words.
Its a challenge for anyone who learned the Castellano taught in school, and a delayed reaction in responding.
When they speak fast, its hopeless, and I find myself asking them to repeat or I repeat what I think they said.
Imagine something like:
"Dame do' pe'ca'o" meaning "Dame dos pescados. " (Give me two fish).
This is what I meant when I talked about the little Colombian girl asking why the man was "talking baby talk".
Would take some time to acclimate the ear.
Interesting subject. In northern U.K., they had a term "that there" which was a polite reference to money owed.
"Did you ask your friend about "that there"?, a wife might ask in front of the kids.
"A bit o' goin on" was a stop gap, could be a quick bite between meals, or a wrong colored button sowed on temporarily.
I left the UK in 1960 when we had a really strong regional accent, so I had to change to be understood in NA.
So, there is a time warp. My old accent is frozen in time (1960) I can turn on the old accent, with it's sayings, but because English accents are homogenized now (Bristol DJ), when I use it over there with the old folks, I have them in stitches. It's "Well, I haven't heard THAT expression in years", and the youngsters just stare at me blankly.
(Probably like some will here for being off topic) :)Lovely. Some time you must explain the origin of "Bob's yer uncle!
Interesting subject. In northern U.K., they had a term "that there" which was a polite reference to money owed.
"Did you ask your friend about "that there"?, a wife might ask in front of the kids.
"A bit o' goin on" was a stop gap, could be a quick bite between meals, or a wrong colored button sowed on temporarily.
I left the UK in 1960 when we had a really strong regional accent, so I had to change to be understood in NA.
So, there is a time warp. My old accent is frozen in time (1960) I can turn on the old accent, with it's sayings, but because English accents are homogenized now (Bristol DJ), when I use it over there with the old folks, I have them in stitches. It's "Well, I haven't heard THAT expression in years", and the youngsters just stare at me blankly.
(Probably like some will here for being off topic) :)In the '80's, I took a bus from an airbase somewhere near Bedford, UK, and took a seat next to an older gentleman.
He began chatting with me and I nodded and smiled for about a half hour.
Never understood a damned word he said.
I was in Boca Chica a couple years ago and had a very scary experience. A 19 yo puta had agreed to a a butt bang for $40. Cute chica, well dressed, whiter than most. After the bust, she began coughing up blood and demanding $300 us. She held the condom over me I suspect as evidence. My Spanish is pretty good. She was going to go the police and the "mafia". The hotel manage talked to her and paid her $100 to get out. I did repay him -true or lie I wasn't going to take a risk. I didn't sleep all night. Thought of leaving hotel and get any flight out. The manager, who had previously been very helpful in the past, said, although I didn't break any laws, the police and courts tend to take the woman's side as a cultural value.
The next day, I did walk around town, walked by a few cops without any problem. I did name it out of the country and home.
If this were the US and she went to the cops, their might very well be a bench warrant out for me.
I have family who live in the DR and would like to see them this summer. I don't have the kind of contacts to find out if there is a warrant out for me in the DR.
Can someone help me navigate the situation please.
Tempoecorto
05-01-16, 16:16
The "po'tre" struck a chord. I could not have made out that "potre" was in reference to postre (I was thinking Italian. Potre or could) and yes, the eating up of "S" is baffling but once you get the hang of it, is funny as well which brings me back to my story of Pescado (fish) and pecado (sin) in the language of "epanol". Kudos to Nordico, for injecting an interesting thread and to many others for interjecting with insightful and amusing thoughts, in an otherwise humdrum conversation.
I was in Boca Chica a couple years ago and had a very scary experience. A 19 yo puta had agreed to a a butt bang for $40. Cute chica, well dressed, whiter than most. After the bust, she began coughing up blood and demanding $300 us. She held the condom over me I suspect as evidence. My Spanish is pretty good. She was going to go the police and the "mafia". The hotel manage talked to her and paid her $100 to get out. I did repay him -true or lie I wasn't going to take a risk. I didn't sleep all night. Thought of leaving hotel and get any flight out. The manager, who had previously been very helpful in the past, said, although I didn't break any laws, the police and courts tend to take the woman's side as a cultural value.
The next day, I did walk around town, walked by a few cops without any problem. I did name it out of the country and home.
If this were the US and she went to the cops, their might very well be a bench warrant out for me.
I have family who live in the DR and would like to see them this summer. I don't have the kind of contacts to find out if there is a warrant out for me in the DR.
Can someone help me navigate the situation please.There are more DR street-savvy guys on this board, but this sounded like a scam to me.
If anal sex with you can cause coughing up blood, you must be remarkably endowed, sir.
It sounds like she was well prepared, and was out to extort money, which she did.
If this is the case, its unlikely she would have bothered with the cops once she got her money.
Its likely if she had done this regularly, she would be known to the police, and a possible person of interest for them.
And a couple of years ago? Unlikely this type of incident would generate any interest, much less after a couple of years.
And what would you be charged with? Anal sex with a 19 year old? Not a minor, consensual, so what charges?
Most Dominicans would be in jail.
Mr Enternational
05-01-16, 17:25
The "po'tre" struck a chord. The point I was making in an earlier post about the Caribbean shortening of words.
Its a challenge for anyone who learned the Castellano taught in school, and a delayed reaction in responding.
When they speak fast, its hopeless, and I find myself asking them to repeat or I repeat what I think they said.
Imagine something like:
"Dame do' pe'ca'o" meaning "Dame dos pescados. " (Give me two fish).Now that struck a chord with me. I find it amusing when I go into a Pica Pollo place and the Chinese people speak Dominican-style Spanish as you have written in your example. And it always shocks them when they give me my food and I tell them thank you in Mandarin.
Mr Enternational
05-01-16, 18:01
I was in Boca Chica a couple years ago and had a very scary experience. A 19 yo puta had agreed to a a butt bang for $40. Cute chica, well dressed, whiter than most. After the bust, she began coughing up blood and demanding $300 us. She held the condom over me I suspect as evidence. My Spanish is pretty good. She was going to go the police and the "mafia". The hotel manage talked to her and paid her $100 to get out. I did repay him -true or lie I wasn't going to take a risk. I didn't sleep all night. Thought of leaving hotel and get any flight out. The manager, who had previously been very helpful in the past, said, although I didn't break any laws, the police and courts tend to take the woman's side as a cultural value.
The next day, I did walk around town, walked by a few cops without any problem. I did name it out of the country and home.
If this were the US and she went to the cops, their might very well be a bench warrant out for me.
I have family who live in the DR and would like to see them this summer. I don't have the kind of contacts to find out if there is a warrant out for me in the DR.
Can someone help me navigate the situation please.Are you trolling or writing a book? This is a fake post. A hotel manager paying a hooker $100 instead of just calling the police to take her away? It is hard enough getting change from these people, yet they just had 4500 pesos on hand to fork over to a street hooker? You said you did not break any laws, yet if it was the US a bench warrant would be out for you? You have family in DR who could be of assistance, but you put more trust in a board of strangers to help you navigate the situation?
Are you trolling or writing a book? This is a fake post. A hotel manager paying a hooker $100 instead of just calling the police to take her away? It is hard enough getting change from these people, yet they just had 4500 pesos on hand to fork over to a street hooker? You said you did not break any laws, yet if it was the US a bench warrant would be out for you? You have family in DR who could be of assistance, but you put more trust in a board of strangers to help you navigate the situation?I understand your skepticism, the night guy paid for her not to call the police. That also included what I owed her so not so much a ripoff if that is wha it was. The US bench warrant would be realistic in the US. THe woman has the seaman and the words to explain it. Think about it.
I do have family from US living in the DR. They do not have the connections to verify any legal situation.
As for the girl. I don't think it was a scam. I don't believe she had ever done this before and had a panic episode. She was irrational and I suspect physically sick before we met.
As for posting this, I'm just looking for a way to check out my situation before I plan to return. Of course I wouldn't trust any poster's word. Perhaps someone in the DR who my family can go to check it out.
I understand your skepticism, the night guy paid for her not to call the police. That also included what I owed her so not so much a ripoff if that is wha it was. The US bench warrant would be realistic in the US. THe woman has the seaman and the words to explain it. Think about it.
I do have family from US living in the DR. They do not have the connections to verify any legal situation.
As for the girl. I don't think it was a scam. I don't believe she had ever done this before and had a panic episode. She was irrational and I suspect physically sick before we met.
As for posting this, I'm just looking for a way to check out my situation before I plan to return. Of course I wouldn't trust any poster's word. Perhaps someone in the DR who my family can go to check it out.You certainly have a strange way of doing business with the putas. First, instead of negotiating in pesos, you make a deal with her for anal sex in USD. Then, apparently before the act, you let her write down your name address and passport number. After the whole coughing up blood incident, instead of paying the girl, you somehow performed a miracle and got the hotel clerk to pay, not only for your sex, but 2 1/2 times what you had agreed to pay, and once again in US dollars instead of the local currency. Are you William Shatner?
Oh, you didn't give the chica all your personal information? Unless she went immediately to the police and drug them to your room, how do they know which tourist to hunt down? Do you really think the Boca Chica police are going to collect and run a DNA test in the hopes of catching a tourist who had sex with a puta? You do know that CSI is just a TV show right? Ever wonder why there is no CSI Boca Chica?
You definitely need to be worried. Your grip on reality has slipped.
Mr Enternational
05-01-16, 21:39
I understand your skepticism, the night guy paid for her not to call the police. That also included what I owed her so not so much a ripoff if that is wha it was. The US bench warrant would be realistic in the US. THe woman has the seaman and the words to explain it. Think about it.To explain what? What was the crime supposed to have been? You said she was coughing up blood. What would that have had to do with you fucking her?
As for the girl. I don't think it was a scam. I don't believe she had ever done this before and had a panic episode. She was irrational and I suspect physically sick before we met.And so happens that although she was sick and having a panic episode, money just happened to make it all better? Someone wrote this same type of story in the Philippines thread. Right along with they want to go back but do not know if they have a warrant. That and the inconsistencies are what made me question its veracity. Not to mention you have been a member for quite some time, and post many questions and comments in various threads, but no trip reports besides this one-off story. You didn't say how you got to Boca Chica, what hotel you stayed in, where you met the girl, none of that. Just out of the blue found a chick in Boca Chica who agreed to fuck in the ass for $40 and she started coughing up blood after so she demanded $300 or she was going to the cops (still haven't said to tell the cops what). Weird. And with all the scams and ripoffs that some of these chicks pull, I have never heard any stories about them asking for anything over $100.
I understand your skepticism, the night guy paid for her not to call the police. That also included what I owed her so not so much a ripoff if that is wha it was. The US bench warrant would be realistic in the US. THe woman has the seaman and the words to explain it. Think about it.
I do have family from US living in the DR. They do not have the connections to verify any legal situation.
As for the girl. I don't think it was a scam. I don't believe she had ever done this before and had a panic episode. She was irrational and I suspect physically sick before we met.
As for posting this, I'm just looking for a way to check out my situation before I plan to return. Of course I wouldn't trust any poster's word. Perhaps someone in the DR who my family can go to check it out.
Found gorgeous 18 yr old who agreed to butt bang. After some BBBJ and brunch at the why, I smashed that little asshole like it was a coconut. Tighter than any fist. After the nut bust, she went to clean up then came out and wanted a few hundred DOLLARS US or she was going to police! WTF! She settled for a see note and left. All in all, it was forth more than the 1200 pesos she agreed to.It seems like she was satisfied with $100 USD, 19 months ago, and seems like you're the one who paid. It also looks like 1200 pesos grew to $40 USD. Now suddenly you're worried about a warrant?
The problem with making up stories is they are hard to remember. However, there's no excuse when you already posted the story.
It seems like she was satisfied with $100 USD, 19 months ago, and seems like you're the one who paid. It also looks like 1200 pesos grew to $40 USD. Now suddenly you're worried about a warrant?
The problem with making up stories is they are hard to remember. However, there's no excuse when you already posted the story.Good pickup JjBee62,guess I won't be reading his posts anymore. I'm always skeptical when a guy had been on ISG for years and never does trip reports. Trip reports add validity by being specific and putting yourself out there in all honesty. Some guys don't want to be exposed as fake or either don't want to share totally, so they never do trip reports.
There are more DR street-savvy guys on this board, but this sounded like a scam to me.
If anal sex with you can cause coughing up blood, you must be remarkably endowed, sir.
It sounds like she was well prepared, and was out to extort money, which she did.
If this is the case, its unlikely she would have bothered with the cops once she got her money.
Its likely if she had done this regularly, she would be known to the police, and a possible person of interest for them.
And a couple of years ago? Unlikely this type of incident would generate any interest, much less after a couple of years.
And what would you be charged with? Anal sex with a 19 year old? Not a minor, consensual, so what charges?
Most Dominicans would be in jail.Thank you for your constructive feedback.
Good pickup JjBee62,guess I won't be reading his posts anymore. I'm always skeptical when a guy had been on ISG for years and never does trip reports. Trip reports add validity by being specific and putting yourself out there in all honesty. Some guys don't want to be exposed as fake or either don't want to share totally, so they never do trip reports.It gets better, Mr. G.
In 2009 in a post he said his age was 59, and in 2014 he was 64. But in 2015 his age is suddenly 50. He asks about finding Japanese women in Brazil, Japanese and Chinese women in Vietnam and young virgins in Thailand. I'm willing to bet he hasn't left his mother's basement in a long time.
Parkinsons
05-07-16, 03:57
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2016/5/6/59179/Dominican-Republic-a-sex-tourism-destination-no-longer
"he said for the first time the Dominican Republic is recognized as one of the most effective countries in the fight against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)".
Who's the target audience for this nonsense? The US? UN? Dominican voters?
It's not clear though, if they're talking about prostitution in general, or only the not-yet-aged.
This is the article that Parkinson's link refers to:
Santo Domingo. - Justice minister Francisco Dominguez on Thursday said efforts are being made to keep the Dominican Republic from continue being a sex tourism destination and prevent citizens from becoming victims of that crime, especially in the country's resort districts.
Speaking at the opening of the First International Conference on Combating Online Child Pornography at Justice Ministry headquarters, Dominguez said the country has the software and equipment necessary to fight that crime more effectively.
He said prosecutors work hard in those cases, with special attention to Puerto Plata and Bavaro, Punta Cana. "In Puerto Plata we can say that this practice has been almost eradicated, and in Bavaro we work to dismantle the so-called little bunnies. We have coordinated actions with South America and have really done a great job. ".
He said for the first time the Dominican Republic is recognized as one of the most effective countries in the fight against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), with more convictions in such cases and the dismantling of those structures.
"We have the need to fight this illegal activity through the social networks, so this conference is to complete the work we are doing," Dominguez said, adding that child pornography is more serious in other developed countries.
It seems to me that they are making a general statement about sex tourism and then going on a separate issue involving the under aged, as if the two are link (when this is not necessarily the case). Also, why not Santo Domingo, where, to my experience sex tourism is more prevalent than at Punta Cana or Bavaro? A political, if inaccurate, attempt to try to change the image of the Dominican Republic to make it more tourist worthy for families (especially in resort areas like Punta Cana and Bavaro!). Thanks for the link, Parkinson.
Hypocritical corrupt bastards.
If they really wanted to end sex tourism, they would give the population jobs paying a decent wage, so they and their families could live decently.
Hypocritical corrupt bastards.
If they really wanted to end sex tourism, they would give the population jobs paying a decent wage, so they and their families could live decently.Typical politicians. "Look there's a squirrel".
The DR is one of the major transportation routes for South American drugs going north, but you'd never know it from the politicians or the press, or even the locals.
Typical politicians. "Look there's a squirrel".
The DR is one of the major transportation routes for South American drugs going north, but you'd never know it from the politicians or the press, or even the locals.The novia has said a lot of small businesses go under because they can't compete with the businesses funded by laundered money.
Typical politicians. "Look there's a squirrel".
The DR is one of the major transportation routes for South American drugs going north, but you'd never know it from the politicians or the press, or even the locals.So this is the reason the immigration checked my luggage thoroughly last time. Never had it done before.
So this is the reason the immigration checked my luggage thoroughly last time. Never had it done before.We are talking boatloads and plane loads. Industrial scale.
It's not going North in tourist suitcases with coffee mugs and t-shirts :)
(Compared to South American countries, Mexico, or say Miami, New York and Montreal, the DR have done a great PR job of keeping it out of the general conversation and flying under the radar.)
I'm not willing to take part in any pissing contest, because the younger guys always reach further than the middle aged men, like me. The forum has been a great source of information for me when I'm planning my trips and when I read the Dominican thread I want to go to DR and when I read the Brazilian thread I miss Brazil. I haven't written any reports of my trips to DR, because the last time I was there, few years ago, I didn't know anything about ISG and I didn't need it, because I was always hanging out with the families of my Dominican friends in Spain. Nevertheless, I try to give my 5 cents to the conversation and here we go again.
According to the Instituto Cervantes, there isn't just one correct version of the Spanish language, but there are different variations of the language spoken in different countries. Academia Dominicana de la Lengua is the body, who decides (together with other Academias de la Lengua), if something is correct or incorrect in the language spoken in DR. I personally think that, speaking perfect Spanish, or any other language, is not important when one is traveling as a tourist or a monger. The important thing is to be able to communicate with the locals and in our case with the girls. It becomes important when you are doing business and you have to put something in writing. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to improve our Spanish skills and it doesn't mean that every girl in the streets of Sosua or every shoe shiner in Boca Chica knows how to speak correct (Dominican) Spanish and they don't even need to.
Some adjectives in Spanish are shortened, when they are before a noun. Malo mal, bueno buen, grande gran etc. There are many situations in Spanish where adjective is put before a noun, but the case discussed in the Sosua thread is that the meaning changes slightly if the adjective is before or after the noun. For example "un perro grande" means a big dog (it objectively is a bigger than dogs in general), but "un gran perro" means a great dog (and is subjective, because somebody else might think that the dog is not so great). Other common words where gran is put before the noun are gran ciudad (metropolis), hijo de gran puta (be careful with this. In Spain it's common to say so, with or without "gran", to a friend, when he surprises you, but can be very insulting when said to a stranger), gran amigo (great friend and again subjective) etc.
Have a nice day.
I'm not willing to take part in any pissing contest, because the younger guys always reach further than the middle aged men, like me. The forum has been a great source of information for me when I'm planning my trips and when I read the Dominican thread I want to go to DR and when I read the Brazilian thread I miss Brazil. I haven't written any reports of my trips to DR, because the last time I was there, few years ago, I didn't know anything about ISG and I didn't need it, because I was always hanging out with the families of my Dominican friends in Spain. Nevertheless, I try to give my 5 cents to the conversation and here we go again.
According to the Instituto Cervantes, there isn't just one correct version of the Spanish language, but there are different variations of the language spoken in different countries. Academia Dominicana de la Lengua is the body, who decides (together with other Academias de la Lengua), if something is correct or incorrect in the language spoken in DR. I personally think that, speaking perfect Spanish, or any other language, is not important when one is traveling as a tourist or a monger. The important thing is to be able to communicate with the locals and in our case with the girls. It becomes important when you are doing business and you have to put something in writing. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to improve our Spanish skills and it doesn't mean that every girl in the streets of Sosua or every shoe shiner in Boca Chica knows how to speak correct (Dominican) Spanish and they don't even need to.
Some adjectives in Spanish are shortened, when they are in front of a noun. Malo mal, bueno buen, grande gran etc. There are many situations in Spanish where adjective is put in front of a noun, but the case discussed in the Sosua thread is that the meaning changes slightly if the adjective is in front of or after the noun. For example "un perro grande" means a big dog (it objectively is a bigger than dogs in general), but "un gran perro" means a great dog (and is subjective, because somebody else might think that the dog is not so great). Other common words where gran is put in front of the noun are gran ciudad (metropolis), hijo de gran puta (be careful with this. In Spain it's common to say so, with or without "gran", to a friend, when he surprises you, but can be very insulting when said to a stranger), gran amigo (great friend and again subjective) etc.
Have a nice day.Thank you Mr. Nordico for a most positive addition to the conversation. Others should pay attention to your teaching style and tone. I will make a note of all of your points of instruction and continue to work on my Spanish skills as always.
From DR1:
The Fundacion del Espanol Urgente has reached an agreement with the Fundacion Guzman Ariza for the opening of a center in Santo Domingo to promote better use of the Spanish language in Dominican media. The center will open in July 2016. The agreement was signed in Madrid by the Fundeu BBVA and the Fundacion Guzman Ariza pro Academia Dominicana de la Lengua.
For this purpose, the Fundeu GA will be created to promote the use of the Spanish language by journalists.
The Fundacion del Espanol Urgente, which is being promoted by Spanish news agency EFE and BBVA and has the endorsement of the Real Academia Espanola, seeks to promote the better use of the Spanish language in the media. To achieve this, it enables consultations from media professionals who seek to use correct Spanish in their work.
Joaquin Muller of Fundeu BBVA says they strive to keep up-to-date with current topics such as the Panama Papers, sports and international fashion. He hopes the Fundacion Guzman Ariza initiative will encourage other countries to follow suit.
Fabio Guzman Ariza, president of the Fundacion Guzman Ariza told EFE that the agreement was "a dream come true. " The foundation has already helped the Academia Dominicana de la Lengua in ventures like the creation of the "Diccionario del espanol dominicano" (2013) and the more recent "Diccionario fraseologico del espanol dominicano" (2016), the first on Dominican Spanish and the second on popular Dominican phrases.
Guzman says that it is apt that the first Fundeu outside Spain should be established in Santo Domingo, the site of the first Spanish permanent settlement in the Americas, its viceroyalty in 1509, first government (1511) and first university in the New World (Santo Tomas, 1538).
A husband and wife who ran a sex tourism travel agency in Florida were sentenced to five years' probation on Monday, 16 May 2016 for setting up clients with prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, where prostitution is legal.
Jennifer Cotten, 49, and Alfred Cotten, 50, of Fort Myers, Florida, pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution for running the lucrative sex tourism company Tropical Adult Vacation.
The clients paid a deposit for the trip and the Cottens would keep a percentage. However, Alfred insisted that clients pay the prostitutes directly when they arrived at the resort in Boca Chica.
New York has a unique law that bans the promotion of prostitution even in a jurisdiction where the "profession" is legal.
According to Alfred, as the business was legal in the DR and legal in Florida where he lived he could not see he was breaking the law but the Manhattan the's Office saw the couple's advertisement on backpage.com and set up a sting operation.
An undercover agent contacted the couple to arrange a bachelor party that included adult entertainment, which gave them jurisdiction.
The couple was arrested when they stepped off a cruise in Florida and were extradited to New York.
http://nypost.com/2016/05/16/couple-behind-sex-tourism-business-gets-5-years-probation/
A husband and wife who ran a sex tourism travel agency in Florida were sentenced to five years' probation on Monday, 16 May 2016 for setting up clients with prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, where prostitution is legal.
Jennifer Cotten, 49, and Alfred Cotten, 50, of Fort Myers, Florida, pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution for running the lucrative sex tourism company Tropical Adult Vacation.
The clients paid a deposit for the trip and the Cottens would keep a percentage. However, Alfred insisted that clients pay the prostitutes directly when they arrived at the resort in Boca Chica.
New York has a unique law that bans the promotion of prostitution even in a jurisdiction where the "profession" is legal.
According to Alfred, as the business was legal in the DR and legal in Florida where he lived he could not see he was breaking the law but the Manhattan the's Office saw the couple's advertisement on backpage.com and set up a sting operation.
An undercover agent contacted the couple to arrange a bachelor party that included adult entertainment, which gave them jurisdiction.
The couple was arrested when they stepped off a cruise in Florida and were extradited to New York.
http://nypost.com/2016/05/16/couple-behind-sex-tourism-business-gets-5-years-probation/Fucked up priorities!
Is any wonder they are $20,000,000,000,000.00 in debt that they are kicking down the road to generations yet unborn.
I'm not willing to take part in any pissing contest, because the younger guys always reach further than the middle aged men, like me. The forum has been a great source of information for me when I'm planning my trips and when I read the Dominican thread I want to go to DR and when I read the Brazilian thread I miss Brazil. I haven't written any reports of my trips to DR, because the last time I was there, few years ago, I didn't know anything about ISG and I didn't need it, because I was always hanging out with the families of my Dominican friends in Spain. Nevertheless, I try to give my 5 cents to the conversation and here we go again.
According to the Instituto Cervantes, there isn't just one correct version of the Spanish language, but there are different variations of the language spoken in different countries. Academia Dominicana de la Lengua is the body, who decides (together with other Academias de la Lengua), if something is correct or incorrect in the language spoken in DR. I personally think that, speaking perfect Spanish, or any other language, is not important when one is traveling as a tourist or a monger. The important thing is to be able to communicate with the locals and in our case with the girls. It becomes important when you are doing business and you have to put something in writing. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to improve our Spanish skills and it doesn't mean that every girl in the streets of Sosua or every shoe shiner in Boca Chica knows how to speak correct (Dominican) Spanish and they don't even need to.
Some adjectives in Spanish are shortened, when they are before a noun. Malo mal, bueno buen, grande gran etc. There are many situations in Spanish where adjective is put before a noun, but the case discussed in the Sosua thread is that the meaning changes slightly if the adjective is before or after the noun. For example "un perro grande" means a big dog (it objectively is a bigger than dogs in general), but "un gran perro" means a great dog (and is subjective, because somebody else might think that the dog is not so great). Other common words where gran is put before the noun are gran ciudad (metropolis), hijo de gran puta (be careful with this. In Spain it's common to say so, with or without "gran", to a friend, when he surprises you, but can be very insulting when said to a stranger), gran amigo (great friend and again subjective) etc.
Have a nice day.I don't speak any Spanish (to speak of) but have no trouble communicating perfectly with putas.
My regular of many years uses a written language that even Google Translate can't decipher, so unless you want to live there and do more than mongering don't be spending too much dinero learning proper Spanish.
The local chicas likely still won't understand you :)
They took the plee so they could stay home. Probation for all time.
Fucked up priorities!
Is any wonder they are $20,000,000,000,000.00 in debt that they are kicking down the road to generations yet unborn.
I don't speak any Spanish (to speak of) but have no trouble communicating perfectly with putas.
My regular of many years uses a written language that even Google Translate can't decipher, so unless you want to live there and do more than mongering don't be spending too much dinero learning proper Spanish.
The local chicas likely still won't understand you :)That's what I said in my post, the most important thing is to be able to communicate and you have found your way to do it with them.
I have never found learning / studying languages waste of time or money. Even if my main reason for traveling nowadays is mongerining, it's not my only reason to go somewhere. Otherwise it would be just sun, cheap alcohol and pussy. I want a little bit more from my trips. I want to say "piropos" to my waitress in a cafeteria, hear how fucked up the local government is from my taxi driver, understand the local culture and people. My experience also is that you get better service from the girls and it's much more fun, when you speak their language. I understand why so many guys prefer ST and so many girls try escape after the first "papi leche", because we are social animals and it must be awkward to just stare each other into the eyes for prolonged time between nuts.
They took the plee so they could stay home. Probation for all time.Mr. OldKool,
Not on here to argue with you but to discuss. I agree with you. They probably took the plea because there was already an agreement for probation and they will be allowed to serve their probation in Florida. But they pleaded guilty to a felony and will probably have to register as "sex offenders". For what amounts to a moral law.
Here is the law they pleaded guilty to:
S 230.25 Promoting prostitution in the third degree. A person is guilty of promoting prostitution in the third degree when he or she knowingly:
1. Advances or profits from prostitution by managing, supervising, controlling or owning, either alone or in association with others, a house of prostitution or a prostitution business or enterprise involving prostitution activity by two or more persons in prostitution, or a business that sells travel-related services knowing that such services include or are intended to facilitate travel for the purpose of patronizing a person for prostitution, including to a foreign jurisdiction and regardless of the legality of prostitution in said foreign jurisdiction; or.
2. Advances or profits from prostitution of a person less than nineteen years old. Promoting prostitution in the third degree is a (class D) felony.
My personal feeling is that this law is unconstitutional. Specifically this part:
"including to a foreign jurisdiction and regardless of the legality of prostitution in said foreign jurisdiction".
I'm not a lawyer, especially not a constitutional one. But I know my way around the legal system. And that law has some very broad legal language in it. If someone wanted to stretch that, a best man from New York who sets up a bachelor party for the groom in the Dominican Republic involving prostitutes could be prosecuted. Why? Because he is ADVANCING prostitution. Yes, it is a long shot. But who would have thought New York would target a Florida based company.
At some point, the government is going to take on a hard target. A well funded, person or entity able to purchase strong legal representation. Those charged will take it all the way to the Supreme Court and the government will loose. It doesn't help this couple at all. But the idea that the US can control your actions outside of their jurisdiction is outrageous.
The US government can already kill you with impunity outside of its borders. You no longer receive any protection as a US citizen once you leave the country. This law allows them to prosecute you for an activity that you engage in legally outside of the country, simply by being a US citizen. There is a slippery slope here and I have a real problem with that.
They took the plee so they could stay home. Probation for all time.I think differently. They took the plea because they were guilty but had money for an attorney and got off lightly. Had I been guilty, I would have done the same. They probably got support from a lot of discreet clients.
Charles Pooter
05-19-16, 03:04
The US government can already kill you with impunity outside of its borders. You no longer receive any protection as a US citizen once you leave the country. This law allows them to prosecute you for an activity that you engage in legally outside of the country, simply by being a US citizen. There is a slippery slope here and I have a real problem with that.Of course you are right, but this is trivial compared with some of the USA's actions since WWII. Subverting democracy wherever it rears its ugly head and imposing dictators or stooges who have murdered or caused the death of countless millions. Current example is in Haiti where the US and its parasites are trying to stop fair and free elections being held so that they can install their own puppet again.
Manhattan the's Office saw the couple's advertisement on backpage.com and set up a sting operation.
An undercover agent contacted the couple to arrange a bachelor party that included adult entertainmentAnd this would not fly in the UK or most Western European countries where entrapment is only permissible in cases of national security.
Larry David
05-19-16, 03:29
I think differently. They took the plea because they were guilty but had money for an attorney and got off lightly. Had I been guilty, I would have done the same. They probably got support from a lot of discreet clients.I think you're right, except for the amount of support they received. Plea probably included turning over client list. BTW, bake page is owned by the village voice, so New York based company. They should have stuck to work of mouth. Most countries frown on sex tourism. They are lucky they didn't get locked up in the DR. For a bad situation they did pretty, pretty good.
I work in the system. I talk to folk every day who accept pleas because fighting will cost money and time. When you can see day light you take it. Innocent people are convicted every day. Nothing in a court room is guaranteed. The case against these folk looks to be very thin. Winning in court can cause you to lose in life. No jail time for a felony says a lot.
I think differently. They took the plea because they were guilty but had money for an attorney and got off lightly. Had I been guilty, I would have done the same. They probably got support from a lot of discreet clients.
Mr Enternational
05-19-16, 04:10
And this would not fly in the UK or most Western European countries where entrapment is only permissible in cases of national security.I never have understood how it is legal to set someone up like that. Then they call it conspiracy. Well shouldn't the cops be just as guilty because they were the other half of the conspiracy? If they were not there tempting me and egging me on then I would have never done XYZ.
Mr Enternational
05-19-16, 04:19
I work in the system. I talk to folk every day who accept pleas because fighting will cost money and time. When you can see day light you take it. Innocent people are convicted every day. Nothing in a court room is guaranteed. The case against these folk looks to be very thin. Winning in court can cause you to lose in life. No jail time for a felony says a lot.And that is how fucked up the system is in the USA. It is not about justice; it is about money. I once went to court for a traffic signal violation. I said not guilty. This meant that I would have to go to jail for x amount of hours to be processed, post bond, then come back to do the court process. They said if I was guilty then I could just go to the cashier to make payment arrangements and go home. Seriously? An innocent person has to go through hell and high water, but a guilty one just let us know when you can pay the money and everything is cool. Guess which one I chose?
Another time I had a stop sign violation. If I would have just paid it would have cost me $110. But no. It is the principle of the thing. I went to court (and of course the judge, prosecutor, and cops work with each other every freakin day). I was found guilty and had to pay $600 plus do 40 hours of community service plus that damn probation officer fee until everything was completed. So the Florida couple was right for getting that shit out of the way. Who knows what would have happened had they gone to trial.
Parkinsons
05-19-16, 05:13
I never have understood how it is legal to set someone up like that. Then they call it conspiracy. Well shouldn't the cops be just as guilty because they were the other half of the conspiracy? If they were not there tempting me and egging me on then I would have never done XYZ.Brought to mind the immortal words of Marion Berry, "SHE set me up". Dude just wanted some pussy but she entrapped him to smoke crack cocaine. The rule of law doesn't apply to the real bltch (the police state)!
Brought to mind the immortal words of Marion Berry, "the bltch set me up". Dude just wanted some pussy but she entrapped him to smoke crack cocaine. The rule of law doesn't apply to the real bltch (the police state)!
I never have understood how it is legal to set someone up like that. Then they call it conspiracy. Well shouldn't the cops be just as guilty because they were the other half of the conspiracy? If they were not there tempting me and egging me on then I would have never done XYZ.In New York.
40.05 Entrapment.
In any prosecution for an offense, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant engaged in the proscribed conduct because he was induced or encouraged to do so by a public servant, or by a person acting in cooperation with a public servant, seeking to obtain evidence against him for purpose of criminal prosecution, and when the methods used to obtain such evidence were such as to create a substantial risk that the offense would be committed by a person not otherwise disposed to commit it. Inducement or encouragement to commit an offense means active inducement or encouragement. Conduct merely affording a person an opportunity to commit an offense does not constitute entrapment.
When they advertised in New York via Backpage they showed they were predisposed to take part in the activity. So, when the authorities in New York contacted them they simply were affording them the opportunity to commit the offense.
Had Marion Berry declined the offer of the crack pipe and then was encouraged to do it he would have had an argument for an entrapment defense. He was still reelected. Got to love the how the will of the people always prevails.
That's what I said in my post, the most important thing is to be able to communicate and you have found your way to do it with them. more thaif my main reason for traveling nowadays is mongerining, it's not my only reason to go somewhere. Otherwise it would be just sun, cheap alcohol and pussy. I want a little bit more from my trips. I want to say "piropos" to my waitress in a cafeteria, hear how fucked up the local government is from my taxi driver, understand the local culture and people. My experience also is that you get better service from the girls and it's much more fun, when you speak their language. I understand why so many guys prefer ST and so many girls try escape after the first "papi leche", because we are social animals and it must be awkward to just stare each other into the eyes for prolonged time between nuts.Nobody is saying learning languages is a waste of money, or that it doesn't enhance your travel experience.
I specifically said, "unless you are just there to monger", a full course of Formal Spanish is not essential. (It can be costly and hard work, for the casual monger, and you'd still have to learn the local idiom and dialect)
I have satisfactory sex with women from all over the world, without knowing much more than "how much?" I find hookers are more impressed with my dinero, than the degrees or diplomas I may have.
I have also developed a long term relationship with a local and her extended family and friends, without much more than what I have picked up and gotten from the occasional reference to my cheat pocket guide.
You'd be surprised the fun you can have learning each other's language, and sometimes "no comprende" is a great way to finish an unwanted conversation.
Mr. OldKool,
Not on here to argue with you but to discuss. I agree with you. They probably took the plea because there was already an agreement for probation and they will be allowed to serve their probation in Florida. But they pleaded guilty to a felony and will probably have to register as "sex offenders". For what amounts to a moral law.
Here is the law they pleaded guilty to:
S 230.25 Promoting prostitution in the third degree. A person is guilty of promoting prostitution in the third degree when he or she knowingly:
1. Advances or profits from prostitution by managing, supervising, controlling or owning, either alone or in association with others, a house of prostitution or a prostitution business or enterprise involving prostitution activity by two or more persons in prostitution, or a business that sells travel-related services knowing that such services include or are intended to facilitate travel for the purpose of patronizing a person for prostitution, including to a foreign jurisdiction and regardless of the legality of prostitution in said foreign jurisdiction; or.
2. Advances or profits from prostitution of a person less than nineteen years old. Promoting prostitution in the third degree is a (class D) felony.
My personal feeling is that this law is unconstitutional. Specifically this part:
"including to a foreign jurisdiction and regardless of the legality of prostitution in said foreign jurisdiction".
I'm not a lawyer, especially not a constitutional one. But I know my way around the legal system. And that law has some very broad legal language in it. If someone wanted to stretch that, a best man from New York who sets up a bachelor party for the groom in the Dominican Republic involving prostitutes could be prosecuted. Why? Because he is ADVANCING prostitution. Yes, it is a long shot. But who would have thought New York would target a Florida based company.
At some point, the government is going to take on a hard target. A well funded, person or entity able to purchase strong legal representation. Those charged will take it all the way to the Supreme Court and the government will loose. It doesn't help this couple at all. But the idea that the US can control your actions outside of their jurisdiction is outrageous.
The US government can already kill you with impunity outside of its borders. You no longer receive any protection as a US citizen once you leave the country. This law allows them to prosecute you for an activity that you engage in legally outside of the country, simply by being a US citizen. There is a slippery slope here and I have a real problem with that.Good points, all!
Whatever happened to "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"?
Nobody is saying learning languages is a waste of money, or that it doesn't enhance your travel experience.
I specifically said, "unless you are just there to monger", a full course of Formal Spanish is not essential. (It can be costly and hard work, for the casual monger, and you'd still have to learn the local idiom and dialect)
I have satisfactory sex with women from all over the world, without knowing much more than "how much?" I find hookers are more impressed with my dinero, than the degrees or diplomas I may have.
I have also developed a long term relationship with a local and her extended family and friends, without much more than what I have picked up and gotten from the occasional reference to my cheat pocket guide.
You'd be surprised the fun you can have learning each other's language, and sometimes "no comprende" is a great way to finish an unwanted conversation.
sometimes "no comprende" is a great way to finish an unwanted conversationA bit rude though. "No entiende" is usually used if you do not understand the language, and "no comprende" is used more if you don't understand the significance of what the person is saying, although both phrases may be used interchangeably. So saying "no comprende" to end a conversations suggests "I don't care what you think. ".
A bit rude though. "No entiende" is usually used if you do not understand the language, and "no comprende" is used more if you don't understand the significance of what the person is saying, although both phrases may be used interchangeably. So saying "no comprende" to end a conversations suggests "I don't care what you think. ".OK Professor Frannie, I appreciate both your Spanish and your English lessons (and you know how much I need them).
I understand your points about how and why you would want to use both entender and comprender. But in either case if you wanted to say "I" wouldn't you want to conjugate the verb? So if you wanted to say "I don't care what you think". Wouldn't you say "No comprendo"? Or "No me importa lo que tú piensa" (Not important to me what it is you think) presuming you are familiar with the person you are speaking with.
Lo es una pregunta. Me espanol es muy mal. Ayuda un hermano. (It is a question. My Spanish is very bad. Help a brother). LOL.
A bit rude though. "No entiende" is usually used if you do not understand the language, and "no comprende" is used more if you don't understand the significance of what the person is saying, although both phrases may be used interchangeably. So saying "no comprende" to end a conversations suggests "I don't care what you think. ".Of course it's a bit rude.
I said it was a good way to finish an "unwanted conversation" Much more polite than actually saying fuck off. :)
Ok Professor Frannie, I appreciate both your Spanish and your English lessons (and you know how much I need them).
I understand your points about how and why you would want to use both entender and comprender. But in either case if you wanted to say "I" wouldn't you want to conjugate the verb? So if you wanted to say "I don't care what you think". Wouldn't you say "No comprendo"? Or "No me importa lo que t piensa" (Not important to me what it is you think) presuming you are familiar with the person you are speaking with.
Lo es una pregunta. Me espanol es muy mal. Ayuda un hermano. (It is a question. My Spanish is very bad. Help a brother). LOL.You're quite correct about the conjugation. (Yo) no comprendo means I don't understand, and no comprende means you, he, she, or it doesn't understand.
You're mixing the familiar and formal in "no me importa lo que tú piensa" because tú is informal but piensa is second person formal or third person. So you want: "No me importa lo que tú piensas. " Then in your last paragraph you don't need the "lo. " Es una pregunta.
Tempoecorto
05-19-16, 23:11
Wouldn't you say "No comprendo"? Frannie, in this specific example, took the example given by Oakie who used "no comprende" like many gringos would. Frannie's goal was not to correct Oakie's conjugation but to point out the nuances in the usage and intended significance of "comprender" vis a vis "entender". I have not checked but I am sure he is familiar with the right conjugation as you seem to be, and kudos for that to you.
Charles Pooter
05-20-16, 00:17
"... do as the Romans do"?Don't copy those losers! They got sacked by the Visigoths!
Of course it's a bit rude.
I said it was a good way to finish an "unwanted conversation" Much more polite than actually saying fuck off. :)Not really. If someone is hassling you in the street trying to sell something, "no gracias" and walking off will do the job.
Me espanol es muy mal. Ayuda un hermano. (It is a question. My Spanish is very bad. Help a brother). LOL.Actually it would be "Mi espanol is muy mal. Ayuda a un hermano. ".
Actually it would be "Mi espanol is muy mal. Ayuda a un hermano. ".Somebody please tell me that Professor Frannie (who has introduced himself as the greatest Spanish linguist of all time) did not just tell me that proper Spanish usage would be "Mi espanol is muy mal".
Can I get a witness?
ROTFLMAO.
Frannie, in this specific example, took the example given by Oakie who used "no comprende" like many gringos would. Frannie's goal was not to correct Oakie's conjugation but to point out the nuances in the usage and intended significance of "comprender" vis a vis "entender". I have not checked but I am sure he is familiar with the right conjugation as you seem to be, and kudos for that to you.Mr. Tampoecorto,
OK, so now you are pointing out intended usage. You are saying that because you understood the intended usage, even though the actual usage provided by writer was incorrect, it was ok. What the what? Mr. Frannie didn't say a thing about what he intended to do. He presented information that was technically incorrect. This the same person that will come on this board, goto into any number of different forums, and not hesitate to comment about improper use of words, incorrect grammar and poor spelling from other posters.
Today I invite you all to turn in your bibles and follow me as I read to you from the good book. Matthew 7:3 (King James Version) "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Let us pray.
Not really. If someone is hassling you in the street trying to sell something, "no gracias" and walking off will do the job.What's with your coffee this morning Frannie?
I am not in the habit of saying fuck off to street vendors.
For the reading challenged, I use it, "no comprende", to discharge bar hustlers and other assorted bad news types.
Please add a new thread dedicated to Dominican Spanish.
What's with your coffee this morning Frannie?
I am not in the habit of saying fuck off to street vendors.
For the reading challenged, I use it, "no comprende", to discharge bar hustlers and other assorted bad news types.Actually, there is something to be said for the "no comprende" approach. Speak to the hustler in proper Spanish, and he feels he has room to argue or persuade you. On the other hand, use the "no comprende" approach, and he writes you off as another "dumb gringo" with whom he can't make any progress, since many (NOT ALL) types you will run into all over, have limited English skills.
Its the reverse version of "no speaka di English".
Somebody please tell me that Professor Frannie (who has introduced himself as the greatest Spanish linguist of all time) did not just tell me that proper Spanish usage would be "Mi espanol is muy mal".Can I get a witness?ROTFLMAO.Mi español es muy malo; (lo) hablo muy mal.
'Malo' is an adjective, which is shortened to 'mal' when it occurs in front of a masculine noun (this is known as 'apocopation'). It translates as 'bad' or 'of poor quality.' However, 'mal' is an adverb and translates as 'poorly'. My Spanish is very bad; I speak (it) very poorly.
Mi espaol es muy malo; (lo) hablo muy mal.
'Malo' is an adjective, which is shortened to 'mal' when it occurs in front of a masculine noun (this is known as 'apocopation'). It translates as 'bad' or 'of poor quality.' However, 'mal' is an adverb and translates as 'poorly'. My Spanish is very bad; I speak (it) very poorly.That's what I'm talking about Mr. Dickhead. Teach a brother! Can I get another witness?
Actually, there is something to be said for the "no comprende" approach. Speak to the hustler in proper Spanish, and he feels he has room to argue or persuade you. On the other hand, use the "no comprende" approach, and he writes you off as another "dumb gringo" with whom he can't make any progress, since many (NOT ALL) types you will run into all over, have limited English skills.
Its the reverse version of "no speaka di English".Bingo Yanqui Thanks.
For a minute, I thought I was the only one here with common sense.
Bingo Yanqui Thanks.
For a minute, I thought I was the only one here with common sense.Good perspective. That's why we have this board.
Somebody please tell me that Professor Frannie (who has introduced himself as the greatest Spanish linguist of all time) did not just tell me that proper Spanish usage would be "Mi espanol is muy mal".
Can I get a witness?
ROTFLMAO.Can you show me where I introduced myself as the greatest Spanish linguist of all time? I cannot find this and it does not sound like something I would write. You on the other hand, introduced yourself as a high level executive who has no difficulty communicating in Dominican business circles, and yet you come on this board and you fill your posts with lines of Spanish that contain very basic errors. I'm not really concerned about correcting small errors made by somebody who is a beginner in Spanish, but about preventing misunderstandings where phrases are ambiguous or misleading. My Spanish is not at all perfect, but I have been speaking, it daily for about 10 years or more. I am sure that in your business life you would not want to cause offence to somebody by saying something that was misunderstood.
My Spanish is not at all perfectExactly! You made a mistake trying to correct me and yet you cannot MAN UP and admit it. It's really as simple as that!
Exactly! You made a mistake trying to correct me and yet you cannot MAN UP and admit it. It's really as simple as that!Seriously? Have we regressed to 8th grade now? Why not man up and just drop it? Or is this silly tit-for-tat game that important to you?
A jolt from a 4.2 earthquake was felt in the Dominican Republic at 9:12 am yesterday, Thursday, 19 May 2016. UASD Seismology Institute director Eugenio Polanco said that the epicenter was 6 km northwest of Santo Domingo, in the LOS Alcarrizos area. No damage has been reported. The tremor was felt in Greater Santo Domingo, Bonao and Villa Altagracia.
According to the US Seismology report it measured 4.2 on the Richter scale and the epicenter was 5 km north of San Cristobal city.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/05/20/419978/un-temblor-de-4-4-grados-causa-panico-en-poblacion http://es.earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2016-05-19-13-12-11-utc-4-2-67.
I felt this one. I have absolutely no confidence in the structural engineering or build quality of my building. After I felt the initial jolt I went out onto my balcony and waited. Figured if I was about to die might as well enjoy the view. LOL.
BoricuaOnline
05-22-16, 05:01
A jolt from a 4.2 earthquake was felt in the Dominican Republic at 9:12 am yesterday, Thursday, 19 May 2016. UASD Seismology Institute director Eugenio Polanco said that the epicenter was 6 km northwest of Santo Domingo, in the LOS Alcarrizos area. No damage has been reported. The tremor was felt in Greater Santo Domingo, Bonao and Villa Altagracia.
According to the US Seismology report it measured 4.2 on the Richter scale and the epicenter was 5 km north of San Cristobal city.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/05/20/419978/un-temblor-de-4-4-grados-causa-panico-en-poblacion http://es.earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2016-05-19-13-12-11-utc-4-2-67.
I felt this one. I have absolutely no confidence in the structural engineering or build quality of my building. After I felt the initial jolt I went out onto my balcony and waited. Figured if I was about to die might as well enjoy the view. LOL.I remember one of my girls was constructing a second level to her parents house. She showed me a few pictures of the contruction in progress. I asked her why the corners of the house are being torn down. She told me to add a second level the house needs columns. Most barrio houses are constructed withouth columns. A lot of people died in Haiti earthquake for this reason. I can, t imagine a house in my country (Puerto Rico) being constructed without columns.
I have felt a few earthquakes over 5. 0 . One of them was while I was in my apartment of a 14 level building. The building literally swings left to right. I observed my building complies with current seismic regulations on its construction and maintenance.
Another time, on Christmas eve, I was on a Christmas party with relatives. Suddenly we heard a sound similar to the sound wolves make followed by the earthquake of 5. 7.
A big concern about construction and earthquakes is the type of land the building was constructed. Bedrock is the best kind of land to construct while buildings constructed on landfills and near the sea usually are less resistant to telluric movement. A map of lands was presented a couple of years ago for the first time in the DR. There are a lot of buildings constructed in inappropriate areas of the capital. A big earthquake is expected to DR and Puerto Rico from now to the next 20 years. Technically we are past due on having a big one. There are a 2/3 chances of a tsunami with the expected big earthquake.
I remember one of my girls was constructing a second level to her parents house. She showed me a few pictures of the contruction in progress. I asked her why the corners of the house are being torn down. She told me to add a second level the house needs columns. Most barrio houses are constructed withouth columns. A lot of people died in Haiti earthquake for this reason. I can, t imagine a house in my country (Puerto Rico) being constructed without columns.
I have felt a few earthquakes over 5. 0 . One of them was while I was in my apartment of a 14 level building. The building literally swings left to right. I observed my building complies with current seismic regulations on its construction and maintenance.
Another time, on Christmas eve, I was on a Christmas party with relatives. Suddenly we heard a sound similar to the sound wolves make followed by the earthquake of 5. 7.
A big concern about construction and earthquakes is the type of land the building was constructed. Bedrock is the best kind of land to construct while buildings constructed on landfills and near the sea usually are less resistant to telluric movement. A map of lands was presented a couple of years ago for the first time in the DR. There are a lot of buildings constructed in inappropriate areas of the capital. A big earthquake is expected to DR and Puerto Rico from now to the next 20 years. Technically we are past due on having a big one. There are a 2/3 chances of a tsunami with the expected big earthquake.Santiago also experiencd tremors in the last year or two. It sits right on a fault line. The island has multiple seismic fault lines, and a long history of devastating earthquakes.
(Source: Dominicantodaydotcom 2012).
"Active geologic faults cross Hispaniola, shared by Dominican Republic and Haiti, give the two nations high probabilities of seismic activity, such as quakes and tsunamis. Recorded from 2003 to September 2011 were 3,586 telluric movements, of which 1,979 had magnitudes between 2. 4 and 5. 4. One of the active important blocks for seismic activity is the country's north, with the 300 kilometer long Northern Fault, which goes from Manzanillo, Montecristi (Northwest) to Saman (Northeast). Also in the north are the Northern Fault and the Puerto Rico Trench. Both groups border part of the Atlantic Ocean.
Among the most important seismic events, in magnitude as well as in damages caused occurred in that block, but felt in the entire country, was on December 2, 1562, which destroyed Santiago and La Vega.
On May 7, 1842, a magnitude 11 quake was catastrophic for the entire island, bringing about the destruction of Santiago, Montecristi, Mao, La Vega and Cotu, while the tidal wave unleashed along the north coast killed thousands in Haiti.
In the island's western edge there were severe damages in Cape Haitien, Port-de-Paix, Fort Libert and Mole Sant-Nicholas. There were also damages in Santo Domingo.
The most recent catastrophe was the January 12,2010 quake magnitude 7. 0, which leveled the Haiti capital Port-au-Prince, where as many as 300,000 people died. ".
These major catasrophes may be centuries apart, but that's a blink of an eye in geologic terms.
Two guys I turned on to the Dr are on the way to Sosua so any one on the ground look out. One guy was so bad I refuse to ever go any where with him /.
Two guys I turned on to the Dr are on the way to Sosua so any one on the ground look out. One guy was so bad I refuse to ever go any where with him.Do you even realize how bad that post comes off. They went without you and now you are hating on them? Wonder why they cut you back?
I cut them loose. They wanted me to go with them. They are big boys and do not need a chaperon. I am a lone wolf and like it that way.
Do you even realize how bad that post comes off. They went without you and now you are hating on them? Wonder why they cut you back?
From DR1 24 May 2016.
Dominican population getting fatter.
"According to a new report by Deloitte, in 1980,6% of the population of the Dominican Republic was obese but by 2014 that figure had increased to 22%.
In 1981, the National Statistics Office (One) reported that the country had 5,545,741 inhabitants, and now there are around 10 million.
Deloitte's report points out that obesity usually means a shorter life expectancy. The report highlights that in Spain, one in 12 deaths are attributed to morbid obesity. In the United States, morbid obesity is a major cause of mortality, especially from cancer, heart disease and diabetes.
The report adds that a population with high rates of obesity places a greater strain on health services. It is estimated that people who are obese spend 42% more on medical products than those who are not."
http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/salud/republica-dominicana-aumento-su-poblacion-obesa-de-6-a-22-en-34-anos-HD3775955
Gentlemen, real talk here! I was not bragging about getting back down to my BMI weight. It is a serious health issue. You have to be healthy if you want to put in work on the chicas like I do. My living will says to take "no extreme measures". Only mouth to penis resuscitation is allowed. If it doesn't get hard then let me go. If I can't fuck, I just as soon be dead. LOL.
Mr Enternational
05-26-16, 04:39
What is it with Dominicans not being able to deduce? One of the most intelligent chicks that I deal with was recently telling me that she went to the dentist and had to get a retainer. I asked her if it was gold. But sometimes I get languages mixed up in my head so I was writing "ouro" which is the Portuguese spelling instead of "oro" which is the Spanish spelling. Any normal non-Dominican could probably tell that I meant to write "oro". We went through this big thing of me saying you know is the metal that the retainer made of ouro? She could not for the life of her figure out what I was asking. Which is really fucking surprising seeing that 9 times out of 10 if you are writing with a Dominican they don't even spell worth a shit. Even if she had sounded out what I had written it would have been the same sound even though the spelling is different.
It also amazes me when we are talking about something and if I don't directly reference that same thing in a follow up sentence then they appear to be completely lost. For example:
Me: There is a black cat outside my door.
Her: Yeah I really like cats.
Me: Oh my god, it has gotten into my garbage can.
Her: What happened to your garbage can?
Any logical person could deduce that the cat I spoke of in the first phrase is the "IT" that happened to my garbage can, but not them. Why is that?
Or if I mistakenly write nafa instead of nada because of the proximity of the 2 letters on the keyboard. They are like what is nafa? But if you ask them why they are spelling all kind of crazy ways they either dodge the question or get upset.
Another fairly intelligent chick always write g instead of q. Por gue. guiero. I have literally never seen her write a q. When I ask her why she writes g instead of q, she has no earthly idea what I am talking about then starts to get angry. And I have met this chick in person.
Mr Enternational
05-26-16, 05:01
What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is?
I went through this big to do the other day with this chick that I fuck who lives in Bonao. A while back she was asking for money and I told her no. I said I am not sending you any money, but whenever we fuck I will give you 1000 pesos. She agreed. So that is the deal we have been working under. The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
I said WHAT! Are you aware that there are many prostitutes in Sosua and Boca Chica? She said yes. I said and you mean to tell me that they have a lot of money? She said no, but I do not go with men like that. The only person that I have sex with for money is you. She claims she has only been with 3 people in her life. I said but it is irrelevant how many people you do it with. If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchanging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute.
She said but I only do it because I need money for my son. Uhh it is irrelevant the reason that you are doing it. It only matters that you are doing it for the definition to be fulfilled. I asked so we could have sex and me not give you 1000 pesos? She said no. I said exactly. The same as La Sirena is a store. You go there and they give you something and you give them money. If you do not give them money then you can not get anything. The reason they are called a store is because they exchange goods for money, the same as a prostitute exchanges sex for money.
Now I just met another chick online right this minute who had a picture of her in the mirror of a hotel bathroom. The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo busco dinero en los hoteles. Soy madre soltera y tengo que mantener a mis hijos OK. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.).
I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said- Eso no es prostitucion, siempre y cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutencion de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.).
I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution. I have not heard back from her after that.
So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.
What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is?
I went through this big to do the other day with this chick that I fuck who lives in Bonao. A while back she was asking for money and I told her no. I said I am not sending you any money, but whenever we fuck I will give you 1000 pesos. She agreed. So that is the deal we have been working under. The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
I said WHAT! Are you aware that there are many prostitutes in Sosua and Boca Chica? She said yes. I said and you mean to tell me that they have a lot of money? She said no, but I do not go with men like that. The only person that I have sex with for money is you. She claims she has only been with 3 people in her life. I said but it is irrevelant how many people you do it with. If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchaging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute.
She said but I only do it because I need money for my son. Uhh it is irrelevant the reason that you are doing it. It only matters that you are doing it for the definition to be fullfilled. I asked so we could have sex and me not give you 1000 pesos? She said no. I said exactly. The same as La Sirena is a store. You go there and they give you something and you give them money. If you do not give them money then you can not get anything. The reason they are called a store is because they exchange goods for money, the same as a prostitute exchanges sex for money.
Now I just met another chick online right this minute who had a picture of her in the mirror of a hotel bathroom. The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo me busco me dinero En LOS hoteles soy madre soltera why tengo q mantener amis hijo ok. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.).
I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said Eso no es prostituciand siempre why cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutenciand de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.).
I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution. I have not heard back from her after that.
So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.All cultures are different, and what we have here is just cultural relative morality.
Like all morality it is inconsistent. Stealing a banana from a fruitstand for your hungry kid is not the equivalent of an armed bank robbery. Going with a married man to a hotel and accepting a gift for the family is not streetwalking.
Two of the biggest rakes I knew in the U.K. were Irish Catholic brothers, and after heavy partying Friday and Saturday, would go to Mass every Sunday. Because I was working with them out of town on a project, they wanted me to go with them, even though I was not a Catholic. Great guys though, and it all seemed to work for them.
As for language and spelling, just think of a teenager texting. "We don't need no damn dictionary spelling" :)
Just smile, it's life.
What is it with Dominicans not being able to deduce? One of the most intelligent chicks that I deal with was recently telling me that she went to the dentist and had to get a retainer. I asked her if it was gold. But sometimes I get languages mixed up in my head so I was writing "ouro" which is the Portuguese spelling instead of "oro" which is the Spanish spelling. Any normal non-Dominican could probably tell that I meant to write "oro". We went through this big thing of me saying you know is the metal that the retainer made of ouro? She could not for the life of her figure out what I was asking. Which is really fucking surprising seeing that 9 times out of 10 if you are writing with a Dominican they don't even spell worth a shit. Even if she had sounded out what I had written it would have been the same sound even though the spelling is different.
It also amazes me when we are talking about something and if I don't directly reference that same thing in a follow up sentence then they appear to be completely lost. For example:
Me: There is a black cat outside my door.
Her: Yeah I really like cats.
Me: Oh my god, it has gotten into my garbage can.
Her: What happened to your garbage can?
Any logical person could deduce that the cat I spoke of in the first phrase is the "IT" that happened to my garbage can, but not them. Why is that?
Or if I mistakenly write nafa instead of nada because of the proximity of the 2 letters on the keyboard. They are like what is nafa? But if you ask them why they are spelling all kind of crazy ways they either dodge the question or get upset.
Another fairly intelligent chick always write g instead of q. Por gue. guiero. I have literally never seen her write a q. When I ask her why she writes g instead of q, she has no earthly idea what I am talking about then starts to get angry. And I have met this chick in person.She is apparently not very well educated, that is all. You are simply not used to being in the company of ordinary people.
In America you will see storage places everywhere advertising "climate controlled" storage, however if you ask, the storage is not controlled for humidity or temperature, "climate controlled" just means "indoors" or "under a roof", because Americans are not familiar with the word "indoors" and apparently don't know what "climate" means either.
As far as your girl not self defining as a "puta". Do you prefer to be addressed as a John? Is that what it says on your passport for "occupation". Why not?
What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is?
I went through this big to do the other day with this chick that I fuck who lives in Bonao. A while back she was asking for money and I told her no. I said I am not sending you any money, but whenever we fuck I will give you 1000 pesos. She agreed. So that is the deal we have been working under. The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
I said WHAT! Are you aware that there are many prostitutes in Sosua and Boca Chica? She said yes. I said and you mean to tell me that they have a lot of money? She said no, but I do not go with men like that. The only person that I have sex with for money is you. She claims she has only been with 3 people in her life. I said but it is irrevelant how many people you do it with. If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchaging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute.
She said but I only do it because I need money for my son. Uhh it is irrelevant the reason that you are doing it. It only matters that you are doing it for the definition to be fullfilled. I asked so we could have sex and me not give you 1000 pesos? She said no..They still have dignity brother. You know what it is and they know what it is but does it have to become a major topic in your conversations with them? Your mind is so advanced that maybe understood shit is too simple for you or maybe you have another motive. You stated in a previous post that good jobs are rare in the DR so people won't abuse the opportunity; so with limited jobs and a women has to trick on the side to feed her kid, why does she have to be labeled and degraded for this? I think it's that Atlanta hustler in you trying to convince these girls that in order to not being labeled as a trick by you they must fuck you for free LOL.
If I see a picture of a girl in a resort possibly tricking I would file that info away and not call her on it. What did you gain by calling her on it? She stopped speaking to you. She didn't fall into your trap of not being viewed by you as a hooker in exchange for free sex. You are a smooth brother.
What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is?
I went through this big to do the other day with this chick that I fuck who lives in Bonao. A while back she was asking for money and I told her no. I said I am not sending you any money, but whenever we fuck I will give you 1000 pesos. She agreed. So that is the deal we have been working under. The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
I said WHAT! Are you aware that there are many prostitutes in Sosua and Boca Chica? She said yes. I said and you mean to tell me that they have a lot of money? She said no, but I do not go with men like that. The only person that I have sex with for money is you. She claims she has only been with 3 people in her life. I said but it is irrevelant how many people you do it with. If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchaging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute.
She said but I only do it because I need money for my son. Uhh it is irrelevant the reason that you are doing it. It only matters that you are doing it for the definition to be fullfilled. I asked so we could have sex and me not give you 1000 pesos? She said no. I said exactly. The same as La Sirena is a store. You go there and they give you something and you give them money. If you do not give them money then you can not get anything. The reason they are called a store is because they exchange goods for money, the same as a prostitute exchanges sex for money.
Now I just met another chick online right this minute who had a picture of her in the mirror of a hotel bathroom. The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo me busco me dinero En LOS hoteles soy madre soltera why tengo q mantener amis hijo ok. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.).
I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said Eso no es prostituciand siempre why cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutenciand de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.).
I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution. I have not heard back from her after that.
So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.I have seen examples of this contradiction before. I think Mr Gogo's reply is close to reality.
I have seen chicas admit to being "prostitutas" but adamantly deny being "putas. " "Puta" in the dictionary can be applied to both prostitute / Wh*re, and "sl*t". " So a chica will admit she is a prostitute, but deny being a sl*t.
As a form of rationalization to salvage some dignity, they view prostitution as a job, but separate that from themselves personally. As in your chica's example, if she sells sex to care for her children, that's different. Its not prostitution, its what I have to do to feed the kids. Some will also have the view that "prostitution is what I DO, its not what I AM. " So, if they feed their children by selling sex, its not the same.
In a purely rational sense, it makes no sense to us gringos, but its a form of rationalization. "Its what I do to feed the kids, but I am not a sl*t / bad person".
(This ISG auto word censor is maddening. One can say "prostitute" and "puta" and "wh*re", but "wh*re" also gets replaced with "working girl" and "s-l-you-t" gets bleeped, or the letter between "T" and "V" gets replaced with "you". Nuts).
They still have dignity brother. You know what it is and they know what it is but does it have to become a major topic in your conversations with them? Your mind is so advanced that maybe understood shit is too simple for you or maybe you have another motive. You stated in a previous post that good jobs are rare in the DR so people won't abuse the opportunity; so with limited jobs and a women has to trick on the side to feed her kid, why does she have to be labeled and degraded for this? I think it's that Atlanta hustler in you trying to convince these girls that in order to not being labeled as a trick by you they must fuck you for free LOL.
If I see a picture of a girl in a resort possibly tricking I would file that info away and not call her on it. What did you gain by calling her on it? She stopped speaking to you. She didn't fall into your trap of not being viewed by you as a hooker in exchange for free sex. You are a smooth brother.There are plenty of Dominicanas on Cupid who will offer up sex, in exchange for money and gifts. At least until you call them a puta.
In their eyes, they're not putas, that's just the way things work. It's what many of them grew up with.
Daddy comes home from work and gives most of his money to mommy. They have sex. Mommy uses the money to pay rent, buy food and support the family.
Is mommy a puta?
For most of them the daddy isn't around, so the tourist in the hotel isn't paying a puta, he's just filling in for the missing daddy.
What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is? If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchanging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute. So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.You pretty much hit this nail right on the head. To say it's something else is simply self-rationalization. We know the ability of individuals to self rationalize is infinite. I think you are dealing with the difference of what society approves as opposed as what is legal. Anecdotal evidence has been presented on this board that prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic but it is not approved. And it's unlikely to ever be approved outside of the circles that engage in it.
Chicks exchange sex for money, goods and services all the time for a ST, TLN, week, month, year, or lifetime. Societal approval is provided for the length of time and type of relationship. Prostitution is legally allowed within societies where it tends to facilitate and assist the society. And it is suppressed in societies where it perceived to be disruptive to society.
It is not surprising to me that chicks do not want to admit in engaging in an activity not approved within their society. But you are dead on with your definition.
Tempoecorto
05-27-16, 00:13
In a purely rational sense, it makes no sense to us gringos, but its a form of rationalization.I am sorry but what has this to do with gringos? Would a chick in North America be acknowledging positively, indeed would such a conversation take place at all if not ending up with a slap on the face elsewhere?
No disrespect to anyone but Frannie's point is the most germane one. How many of us here are willing to let others label us (including those on are&are around the world) "johns"? After all, if prostitution were to be such a morally (and socially) acceptable vocation / avocation, not only the women but the partners in crime should be equally pleased to be called a "john". I do not see that though, does anyone? The initial line of question has everything to do with male vanity, gloating and with trying to put down a woman, who is already down.
Mr Enternational
05-27-16, 06:36
I am sorry but what has this to do with gringos? Would a chick in North America be acknowledging positively, indeed would such a conversation take place at all if not ending up with a slap on the face elsewhere?
No disrespect to anyone but Frannie's point is the most germane one. How many of us here are willing to let others label us (including those on are&are around the world) "johns"? After all, if prostitution were to be such a morally (and socially) acceptable vocation / avocation, not only the women but the partners in crime should be equally pleased to be called a "john". I do not see that though, does anyone? The initial line of question has everything to do with male vanity, gloating and with trying to put down a woman, who is already down.The thing is that the definition (or label as you have put it - same thing) of each is objective, not subjective. (There is no footnote in the dictionary under prostitute that says well if a person is doing this for reason A, B, or C or does it due to living in this particular place, then this definition does not fit; instead see the definition for x.) We can actually point out certain characteristics and say this is what it is.
If a mf came out of an egg, has feathers, and walks around with webbed feet and quacks, then it would be defined as or labeled as a duck, no matter how bad it or someone else wanted it to be called a tree instead because it liked hip-hop music or because its mother was eaten by a snake.
The same as if I purchase the services of a prostitute then by definition I AM a trick or a john. There is no rationalizing a definition because of the way you feel about it. Now I could be a trick with a good heart who just wants to help out those less fortunate. Or I could be a trick because my heart was broken by a woman before. Or I could be a trick simply because I like tricking off. But by definition I am still a trick, independent of the reason I am doing it or how I feel about being defined as one.
They tape a label that says green beans on a can of green beans because there are green beans inside. Now if you want to open them up and say well these are "special" green beans, not the same as the regular ones back home, and call them something else, well... Any sane person is going to walk up and say, "Hey. You are eating green beans!" But you are going to try to explain to the person why what he or she is seeing you eat are not actually green beans, despite the label on the can and what everyone else knows a green bean to be.
The thing is that the definition (or label as you have put it - same thing) of each is objective, not subjective. (There is no footnote in the dictionary under prostitute that says well if a person is doing this for reason A, B, or C or does it due to living in this particular place, then this definition does not fit; instead see the definition for x.) We can actually point out certain characteristics and say this is what it is.
If a mf came out of an egg, has feathers, and walks around with webbed feet and quacks, then it would be defined as or labeled as a duck, no matter how bad it or someone else wanted it to be called a tree instead because it liked hip-hop music or because its mother was eaten by a snake.
The same as if I purchase the services of a prostitute then by definition I AM a trick or a john. There is no rationalizing a definition because of the way you feel about it. Now I could be a trick with a good heart who just wants to help out those less fortunate. Or I could be a trick because my heart was broken by a woman before. Or I could be a trick simply because I like tricking off. But by definition I am still a trick, independent of the reason I am doing it or how I feel about being defined as one.
They tape a label that says green beans on a can of green beans because there are green beans inside. Now if you want to open them up and say well these are "special" green beans, not the same as the regular ones back home, and call them something else, well... Any sane person is going to walk up and say, "Hey. You are eating green beans!" But you are going to try to explain to the person why what he or she is seeing you eat are not actually green beans, despite the label on the can and what everyone else knows a green bean to be.There's a little more subtlety to life than that.
My local supermarket has almost a whole aisle, devoted to canned beans of every size and color you can imagine.
By your strict definition, just about all women could be called hookers, including our mothers, wives, and of age daughters.
At one time or another all have been treated to a meal, taken to a show, been given gifts and gold (jewelry, rings etc) by a male.
Painting them all with same brush would make a woman who accepts flowers, no better than a streetwalker, and your daughter's prom date, no better than a third world exploiting monger.
It's the old "We know what you are, we are just arguing over price"!
Treating all women as hookers, will get you laid in a brothel like Sosua, but will pose any number of problems in a normal mature sexual relationship.
Good luck!
The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
The only person that I have sex with for money is you.
The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo me busco me dinero En LOS hoteles soy madre soltera why tengo q mantener amis hijo ok. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.). I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said Eso no es prostituciand siempre why cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutenciand de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.). I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution.Mr. E stated things pretty clearly. In the first part of his post I'm presuming he was not having a cold rational conversation because he was sexting or in heat of the action talking dirty. Either way there was no reason for her to take issue with him. It's her problem. The fact that she has not made peace with her activities is not his concern. In the second example, she described her activities and he asked a confirming question to make sure he understood. Her reaction indicates a person that is uncomfortable with their own activities.
He's on point with his definition. It does not sound to me like Mr. E is treating all women as prostitutes.
Riky Rapido
05-27-16, 12:50
What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is?
I went through this big to do the other day with this chick that I fuck who lives in Bonao. A while back she was asking for money and I told her no. I said I am not sending you any money, but whenever we fuck I will give you 1000 pesos. She agreed. So that is the deal we have been working under. The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
I said WHAT! Are you aware that there are many prostitutes in Sosua and Boca Chica? She said yes. I said and you mean to tell me that they have a lot of money? She said no, but I do not go with men like that. The only person that I have sex with for money is you. She claims she has only been with 3 people in her life. I said but it is irrevelant how many people you do it with. If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchaging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute.
She said but I only do it because I need money for my son. Uhh it is irrelevant the reason that you are doing it. It only matters that you are doing it for the definition to be fullfilled. I asked so we could have sex and me not give you 1000 pesos? She said no. I said exactly. The same as La Sirena is a store. You go there and they give you something and you give them money. If you do not give them money then you can not get anything. The reason they are called a store is because they exchange goods for money, the same as a prostitute exchanges sex for money.
Now I just met another chick online right this minute who had a picture of her in the mirror of a hotel bathroom. The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo me busco me dinero En LOS hoteles soy madre soltera why tengo q mantener amis hijo ok. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.).
I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said Eso no es prostituciand siempre why cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutenciand de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.).
I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution. I have not heard back from her after that.
So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.And when I send a cover letter, in this letter I ask them forthright, would you spend a night with me. Maybe one out of 10 will write back " I am not a prostitute". My reply always is this: I hate the 'P' word. Then I explain to them that I find these two words, prostitute and puta, disturbing because most women here work jobs that barely pay subsistence, most women here have children and little or no support from the fathers, and without work, how is a woman to survive? That usually gets a positive response and they want to meet me, then we talk about money. I know at this moment a beautiful chica from a brothel, who just had another kid. Said the condom broke. No workers comp here. Now she needs to go back to 'work'. Her body may be ruined by a see-section. What's a lady to do? So, don't use either one of these words in front of these women who are trying to salvage their dignity. They live in a desperate world. You can help them and get a return from your investment. Simple.
Mr Enternational
05-27-16, 12:54
By your strict definition, just about all women could be called hookers,I do not know why you are calling it my definition. I have done many things, but write a dictionary has never been one of them. The definition is a common and conventional one throughout the planet. Again, if you choose to call something differently that damn near every person on the planet calls something else then most people probably will not know what you are talking about and it would defeat the purpose of having common language. This is from dictionarydotcom, not dictionary of mrenternational. Feel free to write and notify them of the exceptions to this definition.
But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?
I do not know why you are calling it my definition. I have done many things, but write a dictionary has never been one of them. The definition is a common and conventional one throughout the planet. Again, if you choose to call something differently that damn near every person on the planet calls something else then most people probably will not know what you are talking about and it would defeat the purpose of having common language. This is from dictionarydotcom, not dictionary of mrenternational. Feel free to write and notify them of the exceptions to this definition.
But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?There is no confusion. These women are prostitutes, and you are a John. However what people are saying is that getting into discussion with Dominican women about the semantics of terms like prostituta and puta is not very helpful as these terms are seen as pejorative, and most likely they will be resentful and / or not given you completely frank answers. If you were asked by immigration when entering the US what was your occupation and the purpose of your trip, you probably would not say that you are a john and the main purpose of your trip was to pay prostitutes for sex and to introduce other family members to the same.
If you feel a need to discuss the semantics of prostitution and related terms, then you would probably learn more from joining an online forum for linguists and etymologists.
But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?
You cannot even get this right. A prostitute is a woman OR a man who engages in sex for money. However even this definition is shaky, as it may not include people who perform in porn movies for money. Really "prostitute" is more of a legal term and as such it is defined in the statutes of various jurisdictions in various different ways which could vary a lot. For example if a woman gives a man a lap dance, is she engaging in accepting money in exchange for sex? Or if she is a massage therapist who gives a hand job? Different legislatures will have different interpretations.
I am sorry but what has this to do with gringos? Would a chick in North America be acknowledging positively, indeed would such a conversation take place at all if not ending up with a slap on the face elsewhere?
No disrespect to anyone but Frannie's point is the most germane one. How many of us here are willing to let others label us (including those on are&are around the world) "johns"? After all, if prostitution were to be such a morally (and socially) acceptable vocation / avocation, not only the women but the partners in crime should be equally pleased to be called a "john". I do not see that though, does anyone? The initial line of question has everything to do with male vanity, gloating and with trying to put down a woman, who is already down.I could possibly have just said MEN, not just gringos. My point was that most on the board would say, "she accepted money, she's a (pick your word)", whereas the woman (in this case, Dominicana) rationalizes that she is not a (word) that she is only a woman getting money for her kids. That it is something she has to go to get by, not what she IS.
Interesting note on male vanity. If she accepts money for sex, she's a "worthless ho" in some minds, but if she gives it away, she's somehow a little higher on the scale?
The woman's rationalization allows her to retain some dignity or self worth.
On this topic: An anecdote often attributed to Oscar Wilde, but source is really unknown:
A man asked a woman, "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" The woman replied, "I suppose I would. " The man then asked, "Would you sleep with me for ten dollars?
The woman said, "Of course not! What do you think I am?" The man replied, "Madam, we have determined what you are, now we are just haggling over price. ".
Many of the women selling their bodies do it from necessity. I try to treat them fairly, and with a modicum of respect. I feel no need to "rub their noses in it" and rob them of whatever shred of dignity they may cling to, even if just in their own mind.
Mr Enternational
05-27-16, 15:35
Okay. Skip the bullshit. Can anyone here tell me where I can find prostitutes in the DR? From what I am hearing it appears there are none.
And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.
Okay. Skip the bullshit. Can anyone here tell me where I can find prostitutes in the DR? From what I am hearing it appears there are none.
And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.Mr. E, you know very well the answer to that. All some of the posters were saying is that some of the chicas try to rationalize what they do, trying to spare themselves a little humiliation, and salvage a little dignity in their own mind. None would brag of what they do to their family or children.
All anyone is saying is, allow them their illusions. Let them call themselves whatever they like. It won't affect your experience or the price.
In a practical sense, when you treat a woman like a "ho," you get the performance of a "ho. " Treat her with a little respect (even if insincere) and many respond in kind.
So, nobody is arguing over reality, just saying let them have their illusion.
Many of the women selling their bodies do it from necessity. I try to treat them fairly, and with a modicum of respect. I feel no need to "rub their noses in it" and rob them of whatever shred of dignity they may cling to, even if just in their own mind.Fully agree, no working girls would be doing this if they were well off financially (or very few would). These women are usually meeting a need in their lives and we ought to respect that.
Okay. Skip the bullshit. Can anyone here tell me where I can find prostitutes in the DR? From what I am hearing it appears there are none.
And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.What do you want? You know that when you pay a woman for sex, you're paying a prostitute. She probably knows, at least on some level, what she is doing is prostitution, no matter how she rationalizes it.
Is the sex going to be better if you first get her to admit to being a prostitute? No. You'll be lucky if the sex happens at all. Will her life somehow be improved by admitting she's a prostitute? No. Her probably already low self-esteem will just get lower. Will your life be somehow improved by getting some girl to face the fact she is nothing more than a puta in your eyes? No.
So what is the purpose? Every person on ISG knows all these women, all over the world, are engaging in prostitution. That's why we go to places where you can't drink the water, to find cheap and enthusiastic prostitutes. Unless you're on a mission to get all the prostitutes to stop having sex with tourists for money, why belittle them with the facts?
Mr Enternational
05-27-16, 17:55
What do you want? You know that when you pay a woman for sex, you're paying a prostitute.Yes. I know damn well that I am paying a prostitute for sex. But it seems that even professional mongers on this board can not admit that as a fact. They want to call it semantics and whatever else. They seem to be just "helping" women who need to feed their family, which just happens to be the reason that everyone goes to any type of job.
They tape a label that says green beans on a can of green beans because there are green beans inside. Now if you want to open them up and say well these are "special" green beans, not the same as the regular ones back home, and call them something else, well... Any sane person is going to walk up and say, "Hey. You are eating green beans!" But you are going to try to explain to the person why what he or she is seeing you eat are not actually greenbe.For analogy that makes more sense than a can o'beans, suggestion is you try the oreo cookie. In the meantime, try comprehending Frannie's post well-considered posts. And don't forget: you can take the man out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the man.
Yes. I know damn well that I am paying a prostitute for sex. But it seems that even professional mongers on this board can not admit that as a fact. They want to call it semantics and whatever else. They seem to be just "helping" women who need to feed their family, which just happens to be the reason that everyone goes to any type of job.Maybe most people want to feel a little better about what they're doing. I can go out right now and for a few dollars more than I'd spend in Sosua, find someone for sex. 15 minutes after I'm gone the money is sitting in a needle. At that price range, it's almost guaranteed she's an addict.
In the DR I can at least believe the money I spend is putting food on a table and helping someone.
Tempoecorto
05-27-16, 20:53
The thing is that the definition (or label as you have put it - same thing) of each is objective, not subjective. What are you trying to prove? You started with "Dominican women do not have any logical sense", followed by this thread where your contention is that those women have no lexical sense either as they cannot seem to admit that they are prostitutes.
Now I would give you this: you are an intelligent man, surely I could not find any faulty logic in this mail of yours. Definition of prostitute is what it is, irrespective of time and place and language. The fact that pointing it out to a woman, also strips a woman of whatever remnant of dignity she has in her eyes (as stated by all), is of course not that important. Now if that admission by the women in question, helps you get off better, I would not begrudge you that.
In a mail in the past, you spoke of the event of your forefathers' catching the right boat and I thought it was gracious of you to admit to randomness and its impact on our lives. It strikes me that as you are doggedly proving your "point" and your station in life vis a vis a dumbass "prostitute" in an Island, you forgot not only the empathy bit but also the serendipity of it.
And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.Mr. E,
You had me ROTFLMAO! Reminds me of my standard response when I travel to the United States.
The US Customs and Border Patrol officer asks me among other questions: What was the purpose of your travel overseas? Business. What type of business? Photography. What type of photography? Pornographic. Then I add: Depending upon the type of porn you like you may have seen some of my work.
Silence. He enters the information he needs into the computer and sends me on my way.
Mr Enternational
05-28-16, 03:05
And don't forget: you can take the man out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the man.True. It is up to the man to take the ghetto out of himself. But the real key is knowing when to act a fool and who to act a fool with.
I do not know why you are calling it my definition. I have done many things, but write a dictionary has never been one of them. The definition is a common and conventional one throughout the planet. Again, if you choose to call something differently that damn near every person on the planet calls something else then most people probably will not know what you are talking about and it would defeat the purpose of having common language. This is from dictionarydotcom, not dictionary of mrenternational. Feel free to write and notify them of the exceptions to this definition.
But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?Thanks for asking.
A couple things.
Greater minds than here have stated that nearly all women are technically hookers, from the wife, girlfriend, street hoe in your bed, to the woman who cuts your hair, the massage therapist, to the bikini model in Sports Illustrated. A Hooter's waitress, a dancer on a Vegas stage. The neighbor girls who want's a ride in that Red Mazarrati down the street. Even that smiling barmaid that make you feel she is really, no really, interested in YOU! :)
Part time, full time, escorts, pros, amateurs, they all get financial benefit by appealing to your ego, manhood, or providing a personal physical service.
Guys try to impress them, even after they have been paid. They brag incessantly about their "conquests" amongst each other, and even on public boards, like this one.
Makes no sense to degrade them if you are just another "top" or "bottom" in a sexual coupling like dogs on a street. john/hooker, hooker/trick, it's all the same.
Who's the "moral" one and who's the "pathetic loser" who has to pay to get what god made for free. (And spend a fortune to travel halfway around the world to do it?) LOL.
Is a fisherman a "john/trick"? He is out all day trolling and flashing a tasty gift to a fish and hoping she goes for it.
Now, if you want more value for your money, say a GFE, (or even a fiancee or wife) then that's the way you treat them, and them you. You take them to lunch or dinner, and talk about things.
If you just want a quick release you can get one without leaving the bar. You can even stay home and get one for free.
But there's all those subtle and complex layers in between those extremes, that enhance the experience. Pure youthful beauty, not to mention showers, mouthwash, clean underwear, plenty of time to get off, and hopefully that dreamy smile on your face when you are fully satisfied. With the more expensive ones we call wives you can even get a lifetime of devotion and some great children.
Different experiences, different expectations, different choices, different ages, different prices, different outcomes.
Which is really what this board is all about.
We are mongers, and we all have different ways to get off!, and we share some of them here.
As Tomjackin always says, we don't need flame wars, and we certainly don't need to be stroking our own egos here.
It's those that do have that have the problem!
We are "them", and "they" are "us".
Mr Enternational
05-28-16, 14:21
Makes no sense to degrade them if you are just another "top" or "bottom" in a sexual coupling like dogs on a street. john/hooker, hooker/trick, it's all the same.
Who's the "moral" one and who's the "pathetic loser" who has to pay to get what god made for free. (And spend a fortune to travel halfway around the world to do it?) LOL.
And that is another difference. I see that many guys are getting their feelings involved and looking at calling someone a prostitute as degrading them; whereas I am looking at it objectively and seeing it only as a job title. The same way I view me as being a trick or a john as the fucking truth and not something that is degrading.
There are people working in barns shoveling shit all day. To me that would be a fucked up job. But is calling them shit shovelers demeaning or degrading? Is there something more politically correct to call them that is not degrading? Because no matter what you call them, they are still shoveling shit as their job.
And that is another difference. I see that many guys are getting their feelings involved and looking at calling someone a prostitute as degrading them; whereas I am looking at it objectively and seeing it only as a job title. The same way I view me as being a trick or a john as the fucking truth and not something that is degrading.To you it's objective, but it's clearly subjective to the women you're trying to have this conversation with. Would you be as objective if the person being called a prostitute was your mother? Sister? Daughter? Maybe. Most of us would not be as objective, especially when someone was making the accusation to the face of our mother, sister or daughter.
I don't look at the word prostitute as degrading. It's just a word. However, it's a word that has a negative connotation, so I'm careful when and where I use it.
There are people working in barns shoveling shit all day. To me that would be a fucked up job. But is calling them shit shovelers demeaning or degrading? Is there something more politically correct to call them that is not degrading? Because no matter what you call them, they are still shoveling shit as their job.There are two times when that shit shovelers job title / description comes up, when you're hiring him to shovel shit and when you're telling someone else about him. There are no other times when a frank discussion of his daily tasks won't be likely to offend him. If you're standing in the barn, watching him shovel shit, do you think it's wise to try to coerce him into admitting he's nothing more than a shit shoveler? You're likely to find yourself buried headfirst in shit with a shovel shaped imprint on the back of your head.
In answer to your question they are called farmers. Shoveling shit is only one part of what they do. Do you think the farmer might be offended if you insist on calling him a shit shoveler, just because he spends a week, once a year, on a Bobcat, scooping the shit out of the poultry barn.
Well, actually, there are people who work in stables who basically do nothing but shovel shit all day, every day. In Argentina they call them 'bosteros,' but I have no idea if this is an actual word or argie slang. 'Bosta' = dung or manure, hence 'bostero' is one who deals with dung or manure.
To you it's objective, but it's clearly subjective to the women you're trying to have this conversation with. Would you be as objective if the person being called a prostitute was your mother? Sister? Daughter? Maybe. Most of us would not be as objective, especially when someone was making the accusation to the face of our mother, sister or daughter.
I don't look at the word prostitute as degrading. It's just a word. However, it's a word that has a negative connotation, so I'm careful when and where I use it.
There are two times when that shit shovelers job title / description comes up, when you're hiring him to shovel shit and when you're telling someone else about him. There are no other times when a frank discussion of his daily tasks won't be likely to offend him. If you're standing in the barn, watching him shovel shit, do you think it's wise to try to coerce him into admitting he's nothing more than a shit shoveler? You're likely to find yourself buried headfirst in shit with a shovel shaped imprint on the back of your head.
In answer to your question they are called farmers. Shoveling shit is only one part of what they do. Do you think the farmer might be offended if you insist on calling him a shit shoveler, just because he spends a week, once a year, on a Bobcat, scooping the shit out of the poultry barn.I admit it. I confess. I was one of the guilty parties who beat this horse to death. That poor carcass is getting pulverized into dog treats.
Anybody got any good information about sex with women, etc?
Que la paz sea con ustedes, compadres.
And that is another difference. I see that many guys are getting their feelings involved and looking at calling someone a prostitute as degrading them; whereas I am looking at it objectively and seeing it only as a job title. The same way I view me as being a trick or a john as the fucking truth and not something that is degrading.
There are people working in barns shoveling shit all day. To me that would be a fucked up job. But is calling them shit shovelers demeaning or degrading? Is there something more politically correct to call them that is not degrading? Because no matter what you call them, they are still shoveling shit as their job.My last word.
What's to be gained by me calling your momma a CockSucker on a public board, because she likes to please your old man once in a while?
Or constantly referring to your old man as a MotherFucker because he likes to please your momma once in a while? :)
Mr Enternational
05-28-16, 23:35
My last word.
What's to be gained by me calling your momma a CockSucker on a public board, because she likes to please your old man once in a while?
Or constantly referring to your old man as a MotherFucker because he likes to please your momma once in a while? :)There is not always something to be gained by the things we do and say on this earth. What is to be gained by going to Sosua and being a trick for 10 chicks in 2 days and coming on a public forum talking about all the positions that you did with each?
But the truth will always be the truth no matter how much bullshit we decide to dress it up with in attempts to make it appear more attractive.
There is not always something to be gained by the things we do and say on this earth. What is to be gained by going to Sosua and being a trick for 10 chicks in 2 days and coming on a public forum talking about all the positions that you did with each?
But the truth will always be the truth no matter how much bullshit we decide to dress it up with in attempts to make it appear more attractive.Hey!
We finished up 100% in agreement.
How the fuck did that happen?
Cheers!
Hey!
We finished up 100% in agreement.
How the fuck did that happen?
Cheers!Is there any wonder that there are so many wars? We humans are wired for conflict.
We'll fight over politics, religion, . Prostitutes.
Well, actually, there are people who work in stables who basically do nothing but shovel shit all day, every day. In Argentina they call them 'bosteros,' but I have no idea if this is an actual word or argie slang. 'Bosta' = dung or manure, hence 'bostero' is one who deals with dung or manure.One of the ten Labours of Hercules was to cleanse the Augean stables that had not been cleansed for 30 years. Apparently he did this by diverting a river through the stables. Anyway, it was a Herculean task.
And that is another difference. I see that many guys are getting their feelings involved and looking at calling someone a prostitute as degrading them; whereas I am looking at it objectively and seeing it only as a job title. There are indeed some prostitutes who try to make the argument that it is a legitimate profession. Usually they prefer to be called "sex workers. " Some of them have blogs and write about doing extra socially worthwhile stuff like providing sexual experiences for the handicapped. You might like to get in touch with this lady to discuss the issue of job titles. http://www.blackandbusty.co.uk/gallery-pics.html.
Is there any wonder that there are so many wars? We humans are wired for conflict.
We'll fight over politics, religion, . Prostitutes.Maybe they should separate us by age, "Grumpy Old Men", and the "Young and the Fearless"?
Mr Enternational
05-30-16, 21:25
There are indeed some prostitutes who try to make the argument that it is a legitimate profession. Usually they prefer to be called "sex workers. " Some of them have blogs and write about doing extra socially worthwhile stuff like providing sexual experiences for the handicapped. You might like to get in touch with this lady to discuss the issue of job titles. http://www.blackandbusty.co.uk/gallery-pics.html.I do not think she was open to discuss it:
On May 31,2016 1:19:29 AM GMT+07:00, Pru Moore <ebonypru@ wrote:
Are you an idiot?
On May 30,2016 4:43 PM, <mrenternational wrote:
Are you a prostitute?
Here is some Gogo Intel for the fellas. Please don't fill the girls in. Most Dominican girls don't have their Facebook settings on private or friends only. They also use their real names. So you can lurk and see what they are really doing as they are telling you they aren't doing nothing. Look at the pictures they post carefully and you will see clues about what they are really doing. Don't give away your advantage.
Also with wassap you will see at the top of the screen when they were last active. So when they say goodnight to you at 11 pm but they were last active at 11:45 pm they are probably lining up options. I have one girl wearing the dress I gave her in a hotel room telling me she is home getting ready for church LOL. The same applies to the Dominican Cupid girls as it shows when they were last online.
Oh!! Never click on your competition when on Facebook because you will pop up on " People you may know" and give you away. One girl even had the nerve to put a picture of herself and her new boyfriend on wassap even though she had just hounded me.
Also if you receive a friend request from a Dominicans, ignore it to save future problems. I tell them my FB is only for family. If you are lurking on a girl via FB and she changes settings, somebody has given her the game.
I do not think she was open to discuss it:
On May 31,2016 1:19:29 AM GMT+07:00, Pru Moore <ebonypru@ wrote:
Are you an idiot?
On May 30,2016 4:43 PM, <mrenternational wrote:
Are you a prostitute?Very good. It seems like the two of you are a perfect match. I hear wedding bells.
Very good. It seems like the two of you are a perfect match. I hear wedding bells.It doesn't matter to me what they want to be called. I treat them with respect and that keeps us both happy.
I learned a long time ago that we are all humans and deserve some common courtesy.
Here is some Gogo Intel for the fellas. Please don't fill the girls in. Most Dominican girls don't have their Facebook settings on private or friends only. They also use their real names. So you can lurk and see what they are really doing as they are telling you they aren't doing nothing. Look at the pictures they post carefully and you will see clues about what they are really doing. Don't give away your advantage.
Also with wassap you will see at the top of the screen when they were last active. So when they say goodnight to you at 11 pm but they were last active at 11:45 pm they are probably lining up options. I have one girl wearing the dress I gave her in a hotel room telling me she is home getting ready for church LOL. The same applies to the Dominican Cupid girls as it shows when they were last online.
Oh!! Never click on your competition when on Facebook because you will pop up on " People you may know" and give you away. One girl even had the nerve to put a picture of herself and her new boyfriend on wassap even though she had just hounded me.
Also if you receive a friend request from a Dominicans, ignore it to save future problems. I tell them my FB is only for family. If you are lurking on a girl via FB and she changes settings, somebody has given her the game.Now that's what I call REAL intel !
Thanks Mr GG.
Who cares what they are doing when you are not there. If you are spending time stalking chicas you know from the DR you are the one with a problem. If you think you have an exclusive relationship with poor chica living 1000 miles away who is less then half your age you have a problem. Play the game don't get played. I have girls that I have had great sex with for years but I know they are free agents. If you are ponying up that WU cash then I understand why you are concerned. First rule of this site is leave your feelings home. This does not mean you mistreat girls. It is mean you maintain control of the relationship. Some times to cultivate good GFE you got to seed things. It is your cash invest it wisely.
Now that's what I call REAL intel !
Thanks Mr GG.
Who cares what they are doing when you are not there. If you are spending time stalking chicas you know from the DR you are the one with a problem. If you think you have an exclusive relationship with poor chica living 1000 miles away who is less then half your age you have a problem. Play the game don't get played. I have girls that I have had great sex with for years but I know they are free agents. If you are ponying up that WU cash then I understand why you are concerned. First rule of this site is leave your feelings home. This does not mean you mistreat girls. It is mean you maintain control of the relationship. Some times to cultivate good GFE you got to seed things. It is your cash invest it wisely.As much as we try to down play it Old Kool, we all have a snoopy side. I stated never give up your advantage, meaning never make it a conversation but I want to know who I'm dealing with if its not a short time fuck. I posted before about the Sosua pro from ages 18-21 who retired and moved to SD and was now religious. She has an American guy who supports her. There are girls who have lived in Costa Rica and Venezuela who were on work contracts. Some are even employed in the Dominican casas and we think we are getting a wholesome girl.
I'm not trusting any girl outside my family but I think it's important for any guy who is going to invest money and time in some Dominican girl to do his homework so he can be well informed.
Who cares what they are doing when you are not there. If you are spending time stalking chicas you know from the DR you are the one with a problem. If you think you have an exclusive relationship with poor chica living 1000 miles away who is less then half your age you have a problem. Play the game don't get played. I have girls that I have had great sex with for years but I know they are free agents. If you are ponying up that WU cash then I understand why you are concerned. First rule of this site is leave your feelings home. This does not mean you mistreat girls. It is mean you maintain control of the relationship. Some times to cultivate good GFE you got to seed things. It is your cash invest it wisely.You, as usual, went off half cocked.
I wasn't worried about what they are doing at all. Couldn't care less.
I use both apps, so I was worried about what they can see ME doing.
Get it?
Was not about you. You seem a bit sensitive.
You, as usual, went off half cocked.
I wasn't worried about what they are doing at all. Couldn't care less.
I use both apps, so I was worried about what they can see ME doing.
Get it?
Was not about you. You seem a bit sensitive.Was it about me? I have never talked / had an exclusive relationship with a DR girl. As you said" anybody who doesn't live there can't have exclusivity " and you agree. So who are you talking about.
And that word " Stalking" was very strong Old Kool. If a female I'm fucking regularly posts on a public forum pictures and personal info, I think I should also be privy to it.
Matter of fact wasn't it you who posted pictures of girls who you met on the Internet without their permission?
Was not about you. You seem a bit sensitive.Nah, I was just thanking a vet for sharing valuable info with us all.
The negative shit came from you, directly to me, complete with a lecture, and a the usual PR Release about your success with your, ahem, "girls" :)
Was it about me? I have never talked / had an exclusive relationship with a DR girl. As you said" anybody who doesn't live there can't have exclusivity " and you agree. So who are you talking about.
And that word " Stalking" was very strong Old Kool. If a female I'm fucking regularly posts on a public forum pictures and personal info, I think I should also be privy to it.
Matter of fact wasn't it you who posted pictures of girls who you met on the Internet without their permission?Uh oh, here we go!
"Its deja vu all over again. " - Yogi Berra.
Tempoecorto
06-01-16, 04:13
"Its deja vu all over again. " - Yogi Berra.Yogi Berra notwithstanding, I agree with Old Kool 100%. I am also a WU daddy for the stable but I also encourage the women to find guys they like, of a suitable age ideally and hopefully with money. There is no way I would worry as to what they do and it is indeed none of my business. I am glad that they enjoy my company and when I do not, I change the air. Life is too short to keep worrying and snooping on others. My happiness depends on me and in part, on a generous island.
Yogi Berra notwithstanding, I agree with Old Kool 100%. I am also a WU daddy for the stable but I also encourage the women to find guys they like, of a suitable age ideally and hopefully with money. There is no way I would worry as to what they do and it is indeed none of my business. I am glad that they enjoy my company and when I do not, I change the air. Life is too short to keep worrying and snooping on others. My happiness depends on me and in part, on a generous island.I respect this post for the honesty, but I'm also a little confused Sir. If you don't care what the women are doing then why be a WU daddy? Most WU daddies do so in hopes that maybe the girl will be more receptive when they visit and think he is a great guy, but in my experience most Dominicans are very unpredictable and go with the latest best offer at hand. Also if they want to be with you they will make arrangements when you arrive. My thing is I bring dresses, I pay for their food and drinks and I pay them more than fair. In my opinion their is no need for WU when you treat them right when visiting. Its an island of beautiful, willing women, why focus on one? Just get yourself another one. You speak excellent Spanish so I'm told, so why not use the gift. I understand you have a good heart and are recommending that the girls achieve better financially rewarding lives but doesn't it contradict the reason you are now sending WU allowances? When she finds that guy are you still going to be sending money hopping that maybe she will be there for you when you come? If so your recommendation was phony.
I never said I worry about the women, its more entertainment to me than anything else. We all know the women plot and scheme so I see nothing wrong with playing the game. I lurk also because I don't want to friend these girls on Facebook and have to deal with their bullshit.
Yogi Berra notwithstanding, I agree with Old Kool 100%. I am also a WU daddy for the stable but I also encourage the women to find guys they like, of a suitable age ideally and hopefully with money. There is no way I would worry as to what they do and it is indeed none of my business. I am glad that they enjoy my company and when I do not, I change the air. Life is too short to keep worrying and snooping on others. My happiness depends on me and in part, on a generous island.With respect, I think you all miss my point.
I'm not concerned at all, with what any chica might be doing when I'm not with her. As long as she shows up on time for me and gives me her all enthusiastically when she is with me.
I have first call, so whoever else may be in her life when I'm not there, then that would be THEIR problem.
I, and my buddy use Facebook and WhatsApp a great deal to communicate with many chicas down there, and Mr GG pointed out that we can find out about what the the chicas may be doing.
Don't take no Einstein to be able to figure that if we can see what they are doing, they sure as hell want to know what we are doing.
It's a privacy issue, very important to me, and more important to the married guy I sometimes travel with. I don't want chicas to know anything about me or my buddy's private life.
I discussed Mr GG's information with my buddy, and both he and myself have changed our communicating modus operandi accordingly.
In today's world you give up your privacy, you give up control.
Not good!
Tempoecorto
06-01-16, 14:02
With respect, I think you all miss my point.I was reacting to old Kool and gogo. On privacy I have nothing to add but agree. However I would worry more about the various state agencies snooping than some women. Fortunately WhatsApp has end to end encryption now and FB is just a waste of time, for me.
I was reacting to old Kool and gogo. On privacy I have nothing to add but agree. However I would worry more about the various state agencies snooping than some women. Fortunately WhatsApp has end to end encryption now and FB is just a waste of time, for me.I doubt that "state agencies" are more interested in your mongering activities than a chica one would spend a lot of time with down there.
I wouldn't say it's jealousy, but they can be quite possessive, and protective of what they consider, "their turf". My own relationship is very satisfying and simple. Has been for years. But, she would never ever do a happy hour threesome with me for any price! Go figure!
But since I have introduced a very close married buddy to Sosua, (and he picks up the tab for our high end trips) I do a lot of his setup for him. He doesn't want streetwalkers, bur fresh stuff from out of town, perhaps more than one, and that takes a little planning and a little money, and sometimes it involves my regular, and sometimes it doesn't. It involves exchange of photos, that sort of thing. My regular loves to organize this for us, but I don't always want her involved for obvious reasons.
It works well for us, but I wouldn't want the chicas to know what we are doing. If I set up with a couple of beauties, my regular will not even know I'm down there, as long as I stay away from our usual haunts.
Sounds like a little work, but it's actually a lot of fun.
So I don't want these chicas find out what we are up to, just by checking their smart phones :)
Tempoecorto
06-01-16, 14:36
I respect this post for the honesty, but I'm also a little confused.The confusion is merely definition related. Without boring others, here is a brief reply about what works for me.
1. As mentioned, I have a stable and the constituents periodically are rotated.
2. I don't do WU every month and to everyone. It is on a need based mode. Also special situation: For example a woman has a child with sickle cell disease.
3. Finally, I have no expectations of a quid pro quo.
Of course when I visit they expect additional benefit but yes, I have nothing to negotiate and no, I do not keep tab on them remotely or otherwise. Indeed I wish them luck traversing a hard world.
On whatsapp, if you can view last active they can also see your last active also. And even if you have it set that way, I don't see how it validates anything or provides any useful information. If a user of that program simply looks at a message they have received, that will leave a last active time. They could be looking at message from a family member having an emergency in the middle of the night for all you know.
If you are really concerned about privacy, phones with cameras are everywhere and can document everything. I'm a photographer and you would be amazed at what a phone can actually do these days if you really know how to use it. With the current picture quality and digital zoom your activities in public can be photographed or recorded with ease.
Just saying!
On whatsapp, if you can view last active they can also see your last active also. And even if you have it set that way, I don't see how it validates anything or provides any useful information. If a user of that program simply looks at a message they have received, that will leave a last active time. They could be looking at message from a family member having an emergency in the middle of the night for all you know.
If you are really concerned about privacy, phones with cameras are everywhere and can document everything. I'm a photographer and you would be amazed at what a phone can actually do these days if you really know how to use it. With the current picture quality and digital zoom your activities in public can be photographed or recorded with ease.
Just saying!Thanks for the info.
I'm not paranoid (I'm single) but I do feel responsible for a close married buddy. He is rather naive (I make his trips easy, safe and enjoyable), and because of this I want him to be on his guard with chicas I have no control over.
I would think mongers can understand that!
That's why I take the information that our veterans give out freely here, and why I gave my buddy this morning a copy of Mr GG's social media weaknesses, and a printout of his buddy Revere's account of a DR prison visit (see Mr GoGo in The Dominican Republic Forum) and what can happen to you if you start thinking you are so much smarter than the locals.
Sosua IS a mongers Paradise, but trouble can find you quickly if you don't observe the rules.
Mr Enternational
06-02-16, 06:55
When you have girls who meet your needs and are not working girls you build special relationship. They provide you with very good sex and GFE. You provide them gifts and cash when it is reasonable for you. The sex with these ladies is usually a step above the average spot fuck.But that begs the question what is very good sex? And can someone who sucks (no pun intended) at sex one day, be good at sex the next because you provided them with money and gifts? I suck at basketball, but if the LOS Angeles Lakers wrote me a $1 million check tomorrow would that make me any better at it? Would I then be able to say I am going to go out and provide a good basketball game for them simply because they gave me money? Have you tried cutting off the money or gifts to see if the sex is any different?
Maybe it is only in your mind that sex is better with them. What if they were working girls for 5 years and the next day not, then you started to treat them to money and gifts? Would the sex with them then be better than it was for the 5 years they were practicing their craft everyday? Or what if they were not working girls then went to be working girls without your knowledge, would the sex then be worse than before? Surely if there really was a difference then you would be able to discern who is a working girl and who is not simply by having sex with the person.
Or maybe it is an ongoing process to build the "special relationship" where the more shit you give them over time, the better the sex gets? But if this was the case, then we should not see so many married guys saying they are not getting enough sex from their wives.
I suck at basketball, but if the LOS Angeles Lakers wrote me a $1 million check tomorrow would that make me any better at it? Would I then be able to say I am going to go out and provide a good basketball game for them simply because they gave me money? If it motivated you to train daily, improve your general fitness, and to practice shooting hoops and dribbling, you would probably improve your game, though obviously not to world class standards.
Anyway, it is not the same. If a chica is willing to have enthusiastic sex at any time of day or night and to do just what you want done to please you and make it fun, that is a function of the overall relationship that you have with her and the fact that she is happy to see you because she will be getting some relief from financial hardship, be able to pay off a bill, or buy something that she wants, or contribute to her family's needs could well be a factor.
You are overthinking this.
Mr Enternational
06-02-16, 13:13
Anyway, it is not the same. If a chica is willing to have enthusiastic sex at any time of day or night and to do just what you want done to please you and make it fun, that is a function of the overall relationship that you have with her and the fact that she is happy to see you because she will be getting some relief from financial hardship, be able to pay off a bill, or buy something that she wants, or contribute to her family's needs could well be a factor.
You are overthinking this.Enthusiasm is only part of it. Sex is not the same with everyone no matter how enthusiastic the two people are. You have never been with a woman who was really trying, but despite that, the sex was garbage?
I receive the same enthusiasm from the employess when I walk into Subway as when I walk into Jason's Deli. But why do I like the sandwiches at Subway so much more? If I gave extra tips at Jason's Deli, would their employees be able to make their sandwiches taste better to me because I am relieving them of some financial hardship?
Enthusiasm is only part of it. Sex is not the same with everyone no matter how enthusiastic the two people are. You have never been with a woman who was really trying, but despite that, the sex was garbage?
I receive the same enthusiasm from the employess when I walk into Subway as when I walk into Jason's Deli. But why do I like the sandwiches at Subway so much more? If I gave extra tips at Jason's Deli, would their employees be able to make their sandwiches taste better to me because I am relieving them of some financial hardship?Sandwiches are not as intimate as sex. Most people do not regard good sex as simply a product or service like a haircut, because it is to do with giving and receiving mutual pleasure not just receiving a service.
I have never heard of Jason's Deli, but it must be terrible if it is worse than Subway. Hpwever I am sure that Subway employees would have an orgasm if you gave them a big enough tip. And they would definitely give you the VIP treatment on your return.
Tempoecorto
06-02-16, 14:14
I doubt that "state agencies" are more interested in your mongering activities than a chica one would spend a lot of time with down there.You are quite right but I was referring to the general snooping activities that take place, especially in the name of security these days. Regarding women, given that I don't allow anyone to think I am exclusive to her, it does not affect me, but I also try to keep each individual in an watertight compartment, not to have drama. This works for me.
If I gave extra tips at Jason's Deli, would their employees be able to make their sandwiches taste better to me because I am relieving them of some financial hardship?Golden Rule + Always be nice to folks who prepare your food, (and hookers)
If you tip well, they may be less likely to spit in your salad, or use leftover sides from the floor, or someone else's plate.
(Read "Waiter Rant" and it might put you off restaurants forever) :)
Tempoecorto
06-02-16, 14:30
Sandwiches are not as intimate as sexMr. E is a good polemicist but no point engaging him as he likes to live in his own echo chamber. Leave him be.
Some people live in there own world.
Mr. E is a good polemicist but no point engaging him as he likes to live in his own echo chamber. Leave him be.
Mr. E is a good polemicist but no point engaging him as he likes to live in his own echo chamber. Leave him be.Polemicist. You mean he's married to more than one Polish woman?
Polemicist. You mean he's married to more than one Polish woman?Just a fancy name for a strip club patron!
Mr Enternational
06-02-16, 15:30
Mr. E is a good polemicist but no point engaging him as he likes to live in his own echo chamber. Leave him be.Not at all. My question was what is good sex? Frannie's definition was when a woman does everything you want with enthusiasm (which just because she is doing it enthusiastically does not necessarily make it good).
Old Kool seemed to be of the thought that gifts and money gets him better sex from a person he thinks to be a nonpro than it does from a hooker. For me, good sex is nothing that can be coaxed out or purchased. It is either there by means of chemistry or it is not, no matter what type of reward may be waiting for the giver of the sex. And I could never consider it as good sex if the woman does not get and stay naturally lubricated.
Old Kool there is a difference between there, their, and they're!
Not at all. My question was what is good sex? I am not an expert, but I think I know it when I see it. :)
Republica Dominicana is on the list. Benvenido caballeros (Welcome Gentlemen)!
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-popular/10-of-the-most-popular-destinations-for-sex-tourism/
From DR1:
Major General Ruben Paulino Sem, director of the Migration Agency (DGM) says that the days when Migration Office employees at airports and ports would ask for bribes and tips are coming to an end. The Army general says that he has introduced a series of controls since his appointment and improved the quality of life of Migration Agency employees. This has significantly contributed to eradicating the practice of taking "tips," he said.
General Paulino Sem said that to counteract the negatives, when he took charge he immediately raised the salaries of migration agents at the ports, airports and border control posts. Shift supervisors' salaries increased from RD $27,000 a month to between RD $40,000 and RD $50,000. Supervisors who received RD $20,000 increased to RD $35,000, inspectors went from RD $13,000 to RD $20,000 and the new bilingual inspectors working at airports receive RD $30,000 a month.
According to the institution this has led to a considerable decrease in the number of passenger complaints about extortion as well as the number of extortion cases detected.
The DGM has also installed the Autogate at Las Americas (Santo Domingo) and Cibao airports (Santiago). The rapid checking automated service requires pre-registration to be able to bypass immigration inspectors. Registration for the service is free until 30 June 2016, afterwards it will cost RD $995. It is not obligatory.
http://eldia.com.do/migracion-toma-medidas-para-erradicar-extorsion/
From DR1:
Administrative Minister of the Presidency Jose Ramon Peralta has been prompt to state that ITBIS tax evasion in the country is running at 40%, up from 27%, and a fiscal reform is imminent to compensate for government deficits, as reported in El Nacional. He had stated earlier that the government would be holding talks for the signing of a Fiscal Pact before the conclusion of the Electricity Pact.
Media reports point out that Peralta's statements contradict Tax Agency director Guarocuya Felix, who has stated that ITBIS evasion is at 29.7%, using data from 2010 provided by the Centro Interamericano de Administraciones Tributarias (CIAT).
Recently, the DGII reported that ITBIS collections for the January-May 2016 period were up 8. 4% compared to the same period in 2015. According to data from the International Monetary Fund and the CIAT, average ITBIS or similar tax collection rates for the Latin American region are 31.8%.
http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2016/06/09/evasion-del-itbis-menor-que-senalo-peralta
http://elnacional.com.do/evasion-itbis-activa-diferencias-gobierno/
This is a general question survey regarding girls who work at the various area car washes. In the absence of an expected report from another brother, I'll ask the questions that crossed my mind during our conversation.
It is customary to pay a fee to the bar owner to take one of his workers off premises. This is in additional to any agreed rate between you and the lady.
It is equally customary to exchange WhatsApp numbers. I have made contact with two chicas on radar who freely respond to my chats. However, when it comes down to actually setting up a time and place to meet other than when the car wash is open, a swarm of crickets descends on the conversation.
So the question is this. Are car wash girls either prohibited from, or have agreed to, not have second or private dates outside the car wash?
The absence of response seems to point to some sort of control over them, fear if you wish to call it, that they may lose their job and opportunity]if they are caught or suspected of private encounters that does not lend to the owner getting a take of the action.
Sounds like a good old pimp control mechanism.
What say you all?
This is a general question survey regarding girls who work at the various area car washes. In the absence of an expected report from another brother, I'll ask the questions that crossed my mind during our conversation.
It is customary to pay a fee to the bar owner to take one of his workers off premises. This is in additional to any agreed rate between you and the lady.
It is equally customary to exchange WhatsApp numbers. I have made contact with two chicas on radar who freely respond to my chats. However, when it comes down to actually setting up a time and place to meet other than when the car wash is open, a swarm of crickets descends on the conversation.
So the question is this. Are car wash girls either prohibited from, or have agreed to, not have second or private dates outside the car wash?
The absence of response seems to point to some sort of control over them, fear if you wish to call it, that they may lose their job and opportunity]if they are caught or suspected of private encounters that does not lend to the owner getting a take of the action.
Sounds like a good old pimp control mechanism.
What say you all?Admittedly, it may be a case of "apples and oranges" but this was the case at BB, in Costambar. One chica who had a local rented place, was seeing clients at her digs, and got fired from BB. (This was several years ago).
Such activity takes away paying customers from the bar, restaurant, etc, where the hotel actually makes its money. I suspect the same logic would apply. Unclear to me why a chica would risk her job; there is no extra benefit to her to do so, and it might benefit her if the owner sees her "attracting business" by setting up her date on the premises.
Troubleman69
06-12-16, 17:17
This is a general question survey regarding girls who work at the various area car washes. In the absence of an expected report from another brother, I'll ask the questions that crossed my mind during our conversation.
It is customary to pay a fee to the bar owner to take one of his workers off premises. This is in additional to any agreed rate between you and the lady.
It is equally customary to exchange WhatsApp numbers. I have made contact with two chicas on radar who freely respond to my chats. However, when it comes down to actually setting up a time and place to meet other than when the car wash is open, a swarm of crickets descends on the conversation.
So the question is this. Are car wash girls either prohibited from, or have agreed to, not have second or private dates outside the car wash?
The absence of response seems to point to some sort of control over them, fear if you wish to call it, that they may lose their job and opportunity]if they are caught or suspected of private encounters that does not lend to the owner getting a take of the action.
Sounds like a good old pimp control mechanism.
What say you all?I've taken girls away from car washes several times, and I have never paid a bar fine, BUT, I'm usually there until closing time. Lately, I haven't paid more than 2000 pesos for a few hours, and that is in Santo Domingo. Now, I must admit that I'm more of a person who builds cool relationships with chicas, not just a walk in the spot and grab one. On my last trip, I did bang a waitress that I met the same night, but that is not the norm anymore. I still only paid 2000 pesos for her, and we were together for about 5 hours. It really depends on what you are after. If you want to grab a girl while she is still supposed to be working, then you probably will need to pay a bar fine. As far as meeting later, before or after work, I know that I can do it with the chicas that I know that work in those places.
Mr Enternational
06-18-16, 18:50
Talking to a chick that tells me she is in the process of getting a visa. Says she already went to the lawyer and it only cost her 3500 pesos. I said yeah but it should cost you 0. Why does everyone always go to a lawyer when all the directions are on the embassy website. She said but she does not know English. I said well it is in Spanish as well. Then she tells me that this week she will go pay the visa fee and asks me for $40. I said no.
Then the ***** tries to save face and goes on the defensive by saying she was just kidding and she has her own money and does not need anyone elses. She just wanted to see what I would say. And she is not offended that I told her no. WHAT *****! I said how the hell can you believe that I would think you would be offended from me telling you no when you are begging for money. I said I should be telling you that I am not offended by YOU begging me for money. It is not like if I would have told you yes, you would have come with the same I was just kidding response. You would have asked when I was going to send it.
Now she is just going on and on calling me every name in the book and I am just laughing and laughing telling her how funny she is. I can be all of that shit, but I got money and I'm not begging people for it. The nerve of her.
Tempoecorto
06-18-16, 19:20
Then the ***** tries to save face and goes on the defensive by saying she was just kidding and she has her own money and does not need anyone elses. She just wanted to see what I would say. And she is not offended that I told her no. WHAT *****! .I do have to give it to you, Sir! You certainly mince no words even if you wind up knowing such lowly creatures. How dare they ask for money when your August association should be compensation enough. Such frivolity!
I do have to give it to you, Sir! You certainly mince no words even if you wind up knowing such lowly creatures. How dare they ask for money when your August association should be compensation enough. Such frivolity!I remember a newbie sitting beside me on the plane, turns out he was staying at the hotel where I was meeting my GF. Tried to give him a few pointers on what to expect, but he was a little arrogant saying he had travelled the world.
He seemed to follow us around and the first night he was in our bar and we introduced him to some "cousins".
After 10 minutes they were feeling each other up and looked ready to get it on. Then there was a small altercation, drink spilled. WTF?
He said the chica had demanded money from him to buy milk for her baby, and he was insulted because he had only known her 10 minutes.
I said why do you think she let a stranger put his hand under her pants?
For LOVE?
We occasionally run into these guys we call "Jerry" after the first one. We avoid them like the plague.
I remember a newbie sitting beside me on the plane, turns out he was staying at the hotel where I was meeting my GF. Tried to give him a few pointers on what to expect, but he was a little arrogant saying he had travelled the world.
He seemed to follow us around and the first night he was in our bar and we introduced him to some "cousins".
After 10 minutes they were feeling each other up and looked ready to get it on. Then there was a small altercation, drink spilled. WTF?
He said the chica had demanded money from him to buy milk for her baby, and he was insulted because he had only known her 10 minutes.
I said why do you think she let a stranger put his hand under her pants?
For LOVE?
We occasionally run into these guys we call "Jerry" after the first one. We avoid them like the plague.Last year me and Mr E were drinking at the bar in front of Europa and it was also a dude from NY there that had been drinking vodka since 11 am. His DR experience was staying in a resort in Puerto Plata with his wife and he bragged about the resort even sent a helicopter to pick him up at the airport. He proceeded to tell me and Mr E about the DR. Once he said he liked hanging at the bar because he was tired of paying girls 100 dollars, me and Mr E looked at each other. We even explained to him to play some Spanish music on his pill instead of the 1960 jazz which the Spanish girls didn't understand. He even let E use the Bluetooth on his phone to play some Romeo Santos but the guy got bored with that and went back to the old school jazz. Don't get me wrong I love old school jazz but it doesn't vibe well with Dominicans. I gave up on the guy when his arguments got personal and decided to let him be.
The guy was set in his own way and wanted to play his jazz, drink vodka and pay the Sosua girls 100 dollars, more power to him LOL.
Last year me and Mr E were drinking at the bar in front of Europa and it was also a dude from NY there that had been drinking vodka since 11 am. His DR experience was staying in a resort in Puerto Plata with his wife and he bragged about the resort even sent a helicopter to pick him up at the airport. He proceeded to tell me and Mr E about the DR. Once he said he liked hanging at the bar because he was tired of paying girls 100 dollars, me and Mr E looked at each other. We even explained to him to play some Spanish music on his pill instead of the 1960 jazz which the Spanish girls didn't understand. He even let E use the Bluetooth on his phone to play some Romeo Santos but the guy got bored with that and went back to the old school jazz. Don't get me wrong I love old school jazz but it doesn't vibe well with Dominicans. I gave up on the guy when his arguments got personal and decided to let him be.
The guy was set in his own way and wanted to play his jazz, drink vodka and pay the Sosua girls 100 dollars, more power to him LOL.I let these folks do their own thing.
It's when they invade my space and bring their baggage, complaints, issues into my life.
After he literally stalked us at the hotel restaurant, and the bar, this guy "Jerry" actually blamed me and my chica for "introducing" him to a puta. He said he thought that was my seal of approval, he wanted to know why my regular of many years wasn't like that:0.
Marc Anthony
06-23-16, 22:26
This is a general question survey regarding girls who work at the various area car washes. In the absence of an expected report from another brother, I'll ask the questions that crossed my mind during our conversation.
It is customary to pay a fee to the bar owner to take one of his workers off premises. This is in additional to any agreed rate between you and the lady.
It is equally customary to exchange WhatsApp numbers. I have made contact with two chicas on radar who freely respond to my chats. However, when it comes down to actually setting up a time and place to meet other than when the car wash is open, a swarm of crickets descends on the conversation.
So the question is this. Are car wash girls either prohibited from, or have agreed to, not have second or private dates outside the car wash?
The absence of response seems to point to some sort of control over them, fear if you wish to call it, that they may lose their job and opportunity]if they are caught or suspected of private encounters that does not lend to the owner getting a take of the action.
Sounds like a good old pimp control mechanism.
What say you all?I don't believe there are many situations in the DR where chicas would be fearful of hooking up on their own through messaging apps and texting. It's far more probable they don't want to hook up with you for whatever reason than that they are intimidated by some "pimp".
Paying a Salida for taking a "waitress" off her shift is a normal universal fee throughout the RD. Every little village has a Disco Tipico with "waitresses" that can be taken home for a Salida paid to the house. This is a deep cultural tradition sort of thing that exists almost everywhere in the RD and has nothing to do with extranjeros. Every little town has bars and discos with way more waitresses than make sense for service. Mostly local guys just hang out with them, dance or buy them drinks but they are available to take out for a Salida fee.
In all of these cases if you are patient enough to just call, or text the chica the next day there is no Salida involved and most such Chicas are happy to make arrangements. There is no fear about their job or "pimping" if they hook up with you outside of work.
Most such Chicas would welcome being treated as novias despite the fact that it's pretty obvious they are available to anyone.
There is not much "game" involved in this but there can be some. Unlike casas, the chicas are under no obligation to go with you. If they don't want to hook up to they don't have to. If you aren't Brad Pitt some amount of respect and courtship never hurts.
I have a few girls that are my regulars. The Dominican girls have no problem asking for the world. Example popi I need a phone, Galaxy 6 or IPhone. Haitian chick any phone is fine baby. I am still dealing with the sisters. One just had a baby in April but is looking very good and is begging to be ravished by me. Little sister is still in play. They do not talk about me with each other but blood is blood. I would love to do both of them but there could be blow back. However at the end of the day it is about making me happy.
Tempoecorto
06-29-16, 22:02
I forgot to mention that two women I know, were hospitalized during this last trip of mine, owing to Zika. One is not pregnant, from Pto Pta and the other, from Santiago, is very much pregnant, giving birth in August so hopefully, the baby's brain will come out unscathed.
Mr Enternational
06-30-16, 01:26
I left Sosua at 4:07 pm heading to Boca Chica. I arrived at the beginning of the John Paul II Toll Hwy in Nagua at 6:27 pm. I arrived at the end of the Toll Hwy close to the Santo Domingo Airport at 7:23 pm right at nightfall. I made it to my hotel in Boca Chica at 7:40 pm. 243.6 km in 3 hours 33 minutes.
And the biggest thing about the drive is that they have paved the roads now instead of just filling the potholes with sand as they used to do. It was very refreshing to make that drive without all the potholes that were there before.
Since I have been taking this route, the park where you turn off at in Nagua has been surrounded by a metal construction wall. That wall has finally been taken down.
My next trip is developing very nicely. I have 4 or 5 girls waiting for me. The challenge now having enough time for sport fucking.
SavePros321
07-04-16, 16:29
I have a few girls that are my regulars. The Dominican girls have no problem asking for the world. Example popi I need a phone, Galaxy 6 or IPhone. Haitian chick any phone is fine baby. I am still dealing with the sisters. One just had a baby in April but is looking very good and is begging to be ravished by me. Little sister is still in play. They do not talk about me with each other but blood is blood. I would love to do both of them but there could be blow back. However at the end of the day it is about making me happy.On Amazon.com an unlocked Galaxy s6 goes for no less than $400. An unlocked iPhone 6 goes for no less than $500. I can get hookers off Backpage.com here at home for much less than that.
I don't think any chica asking for such things is serious about coming to see you (unless she knows you are enough of a sucker to buy her what she is asking for). Her mindset is already fucked up. If she is looking to get something valued at over $200+ and you turn around and tell her "No, but I will give you 2000 pesos", then you are going to be sitting in your hotel room with your dick in your hand.
I would prepare to have a backup plan if I were you.
EDIT: I was tempted to say she would go for the money because she can't "eat" an iPhone, but she probably was going to sell the thing anyway since it cost her nothing to get it in the first place (other than having to spread her legs for 5 minutes).
Better strategy would be to do like GrownMan and buy some cheap dresses, send her some pics of them. If she tries to play games once you are there then just tell her that you guess you have to give them to someone else.
If she wants to know how much you paid for it (most biyatches always want to know), just say "Uff! Tu no quieres saber!" (And remove all the damn price tags before going there, lol!)
Bought a smart phone on Amazon for 50 dollars. I give what I want. Spending 100's of dollars for 1 chica is crazy. I buy small trinkets for those who please me which helps when you would like to repeat. I have more then enough chicas in line. For the greedy girls I have nothing. I am not serious about seeing them.
On Amazon.com an unlocked Galaxy s6 goes for no less than $400. An unlocked iPhone 6 goes for no less than $500. I can get hookers off Backpage.com here at home for much less than that.
I don't think any chica asking for such things is serious about coming to see you (unless she knows you are enough of a sucker to buy her what she is asking for). Her mindset is already fucked up. If she is looking to get something valued at over $200+ and you turn around and tell her "No, but I will give you 2000 pesos", then you are going to be sitting in your hotel room with your dick in your hand.
I would prepare to have a backup plan if I were you.
EDIT: I was tempted to say she would go for the money because she can't "eat" an iPhone, but she probably was going to sell the thing anyway since it cost her nothing to get it in the first place (other than having to spread her legs for 5 minutes).
Better strategy would be to do like GrownMan and buy some cheap dresses, send her some pics of them. If she tries to play games once you are there then just tell her that you guess you have to give them to someone else.
If she wants to know how much you paid for it (most biyatches always want to know), just say "Uff! Tu no quieres saber!" (And remove all the damn price tags before going there, lol!)
Mr Enternational
07-04-16, 17:49
If she wants to know how much you paid for it (most biyatches always want to know), just say "Uff! Tu no quieres saber!"Whenever a chick wants to know how much something costs I say, "Why? Are you going to give me the money for it?" That shuts them up.
SavePros321
07-04-16, 19:11
Whenever a chick wants to know how much something costs I say, "Why? Are you going to give me the money for it?" That shuts them up.Will have to use that one as well, LOL!
From DR1:
The US $ dollar was sold for RD $46 to US $1 at banks nationwide on Monday, 4 July 2016. As reported in Diario Libre, on Monday the peso depreciated 3 cents from its Friday price. A report in Diario Libre explains the uniformity in the banks posting the same rate is due to the negotiation power of the Central Bank over the commercial banks.
http://www.diariolibre.com/economia/el-dolar-alcanza-la-barrera-de-rd-46-en-venta-por-ventanilla-de-la-banca-MG4239806
Where would you guys reccomend staying in Santiago for one night. I would also like a nice mall.
I stayed at Aloha Sol Calle El Sol and it was fine. Never got to the mall. Nice restaraunts and scenery around the monument just up the block.
Where would you guys reccomend staying in Santiago for one night. I would also like a nice mall..
Camaro1257
07-07-16, 14:56
July 6, 2016 I witnessed police incompetence in Sosua.
I haven't been spending as much time in Sosua as I used to but on this occasion I witnessed something very disturbing. I was having lunch with friends at the Bourbon Street restaurant on Pedro Clisante in Sosua when I saw a commotion in front of the restaurant.
Apparently the following events occurred, a German gentleman was sitting in front of Bourbon Street and one of the street touts offered to charge his cell phone using one of the Bourbon Streets outlets but the owner refused not knowing who the cell phone belonged to and not wanting responsibility should something happen to it. Apparently the tout left with the phone without the German gentleman's permission.
I observed the German gentleman was obviously under the influence of alcohol unsteady on his feet along with being loud and boisterous. He insisted on entering Bourbon Street to look for his phone but the owner would not let him enter because he knew the phone wasn't there and he told him so. The German gentleman began shouting profanities at the Bourbon Street staff from the entrance of the restaurant. The German gentleman was being restrained by what appeared to be friends of his; these friends were trying to calm him down but he was wrestling with them shouting profanities.
The owner called the police because the situation was escalating and getting out of hand. I witnessed 2 officers of Policia Nacional arrive and later 2 more officers 4 in total. The German gentleman was belligerent with the officers and would not cooperate. At one point he put his face within inches of one of the police officers faces and the officer backed up. At another point he grabbed another officer by his arm and the officer pulled away. There were multiple provocations to the officers but for some reason all 4 officers left the scene without making an arrest.
After the police left the German gentleman continued to make a scene shouting profanities. He attempted to enter the restaurant and the security guard stopped him after which he struck the security guard who pulled out his firearm and the German gentleman's friends pulled him back towards the street the German gentleman continued struggling with them taking off his shirt saying shoot me! The security officer used restraint and stood down and the German gentleman's friends were able to get him in a car and drove off.
A professional assessment:
As a 30 year law enforcement professional what I witnessed was absolutely ridiculous! A business owner had a problem with a obnoxious unruly patron and did the correct thing by calling the police. The police responded but did little to resolve the situation. The German gentleman was under the influence of alcohol obnoxious and extremely violent there was sufficient probable cause to make an arrest but the officers were derelict in their duties and left the scene without resolving the situation.
As a result of the police leaving there was a subsequent confrontation with the restaurant security officer which could have lead to the German gentleman being shot and killed if it was not for the restraint of the officer. If in fact that happened the police would be culpable for their negligence in not taking the appropriate actions to resolve the initial situation.
It is obvious that the Policia Nacional in the Dominican Republic are poorly trained and ill equipped to handle such scenarios. The officers did not have any restraining devices such as handcuffs or flexi-cuffs therefore had they taken him in custody they would have had their hands full if he resisted. They were neither equipped with ASP batons, OC spray or a taser that would have assisted in making a arrest of such a violent suspect. In short there are many tools that are available to professional law enforcement personnel that could have helped them in this situation.
Even without the aforementioned tools the officers could have called for sufficient officers to help them make the arrest but neglected to do so. It was my recommendation to the owner that he file a formal complaint against the officers who responded so that they can be held accountable for their actions.
I enjoy living in the Dominican Republic but I seriously hope I am never in a situation where I need the police.
From DR1 Daily News:
Las Americas International Airport taxi drivers picketed the airline terminal from 10 am to noon on 6 July 2016, to protest Uber application drivers. The protest did not affect airport operations.
Juan De Jesus, secretary of the airport taxi union, said that Uber transporting of passengers to the airport is illegal. He said that Uber is a company without a legal framework and that its vehicles are not authorized to commercially cover routes to Las Americas or other airports. De Jesus said the Uber drivers are invading a service that for the past 50 years has been exclusively given to the airport taxi union.
He also made it clear that if the authorities do not grant them a monopoly on taxi services at the airports, they will take "more energetic methods" to express their discontent. He said the taxi union has a contract with Aerodom concession operators and the authorities.
Tempoecorto
07-08-16, 16:21
July 6, 2016 I witnessed police incompetence in Sosua.
Can't agree. I would much rather take my chance with DR cops who have enough sense to handle drunks without guns.
Camaro1257
07-08-16, 23:53
Can't agree. I would much rather take my chance with DR cops who have enough sense to handle drunks without guns.The officers neglected their duty by not arresting an individual who made threats and was molesting patrons of the restaurant. After the police left the scene without taking any action this individual assaulted a security guard who could have shot and killed him; had that happened the officers in question would be culpable. We can agree to disagree.
Tempoecorto
07-09-16, 15:14
We can agree to disagree.Please refrain from commenting on a subject like this, as this so called "expertise", has been causing a lot of uproar and grief in the good old US and in the black community in particular. Travelogues please.
Camaro1257
07-09-16, 19:29
Please refrain from commenting on a subject like this, as this so called "expertise", has been causing a lot of uproar and grief in the good old US and in the black community in particular. Travelogues please.The anecdote I shared had nothing to do with current events in the United States the events occurred in Sosua. I shared what I witnessed because I thought it was relevant, especially since it is likely that members may have some contact with law enforcement while in the Dominican Republic and they should no what to expect.
Mr Enternational
07-09-16, 19:33
Can't agree. I would much rather take my chance with DR cops who have enough sense to handle drunks without guns.You mean like back in April when the DR cop tried to shake me down and took his gun out like he was going to shoot out my tire?
Tempoecorto
07-09-16, 21:01
You mean like back in April when the DR cop tried to shake me down and took his gun out like he was going to shoot out my tire?It just so happens that I hold police in my state in high regard but I come from a civilized state. My experiences in the DR so far, have been positive as well, after several years of driving across the island and very unlike your experience.
Please refrain from commenting on a subject like this, as this so called "expertise", has been causing a lot of uproar and grief in the good old US and in the black community in particular. Travelogues please.Why exactly should anyone refrain from commenting on police behavior of police in the Dominican Republic? Mr. Camaro is an expert on enforcing the law professionally. There are certain police procedures that are universal. And I appreciated his report and opinion on the behavior and lack of action of the Dominican Police. The problems the United States of America is currently experiencing within it's various police department with excessive use of force (deadly in many cases) and the public reaction to them are totally unrelated to the incident reported by Mr. Camaro.
Tempoecorto
07-10-16, 15:38
I shared what I witnessed because I thought it was relevant,....Here is the wrong premise: Other places have other values and gun ownership. In Japan, cops go around in the neighborhood without a weapon and, so does (or did?) an English Bobby and those places are much more civilized by all indicators. A German drunkard's perception of Polizei is shaped differently, thus rendering your plan as to "how I would do it" less effective if not potentially irrelevant.
It just so happens that I hold police in my state in high regard but I come from a civilized state. My experiences in the DR so far, have been positive as well, after several years of driving across the island and very unlike your experience.In most cases of Dominican cops trying to shake down foreign tourists, especially drives, the motivating dynamic is that the cops are pretty poorly paid and are trying to make some extra money for themselves to supplement their earnings. However, since they are on dodgy ground, their are unlikely to kill those whom they pick on as the consequences would be pretty severe. In the US, it seems that all a cop has to do is to say that they thought someone might have a gun, and then they are entitled to shoot them. The US is incredibly overpoliced, and cops often pull over motorists for the flimsiest of reasons and then demand instant obeisance. I was one pulled over in Florida for speeding at a school crossing right outside my own house in a small town in Florida as I was turning into my own driveway. Not only was I not speeding, (I was braking to enter my own driveway on a left turn) but in the 5 years I had lived in that house I had NEVER seen a child crossing at that point, and the school in question was almost half a mile away and was a school for ADULTS. However when I stopped a female cop was SCREAMING at me about risking the lives of children. Fortunately at that moment her radio went off and she was called away to some kind of emergency and ran to her car.
Of course not all cops are like that in the US, and my brother in law is a cop in England, and so is my niece, but when I hear about people, particularly ethnic minorities, being consistently harrassed by police in the US, I don't find it very hard to believe.
It just so happens that I hold police in my state in high regard but I come from a civilized state.A 'civilized state' with a small 's'. So, that would make it a state of mind. Police Departments in States in USA are local and independent (in theory and actuality for the most part), so if you actually meant civilized State, that's awfully broad for your blanket statement.
Tempoecorto
07-10-16, 18:06
Of course not all cops are like that in the US, and my brother in law is a cop in England, and so is my niece, but when I hear about people, particularly ethnic minorities, being consistently harrassed by police in the US, I don't find it very hard to believe.Yes, the police, have been highly militarized in the US and a state like Florida is a scary one with guns sold everywhere. In contrast, in my state, I can still get away without showing obeisance. It helps that my record has been clean for a long time. I have also had a situation in which a policeman approached me and helped me jump start my car in a parking lot as I was waiting for AAA. I wrote a commendation letter for that officer to his superior as it was so unexpectedly positive.
Tempoecorto
07-10-16, 18:26
A 'civilized state' with a small 's'. So, that would make it a state of mind. Police Departments in States in USA are local and independent (in theory and actuality for the most part), so if you actually meant civilized State, that's awfully broad for your blanket statement.Good catch and you are right: I should have checked the spelling. I was referring to the State I am a resident of and while rightly as you state, that the policing is local, there is a semblance of similarity, perhaps dictated by the State legislature. So while it is blanket, it still is my experience based on a 21 year old residency in the Commonwealth.
A German drunkard's perception of Polizei is shaped differently, thus rendering your plan as to "how I would do it" less effective if not potentially irrelevant.And you are making your statement based on the specific training in law enforcement that you received from which academy?
At another point he grabbed another officer by his arm and the officer pulled away. There were multiple provocations to the officers but for some reason all 4 officers left the scene without making an arrest. A professional assessment: As a 30 year law enforcement professional what I witnessed was absolutely ridiculous!When the man put his hand on the officer he should have been locked up and taken to jail. Because that is a crime!
But, I'm still trying to figure out how the inaction of the police in the Dominican Republic that Mr. Camaro described are somehow being related and compared to the actions of the officers of various police departments in the United States of America.
A 'civilized state' with a small 's'. So, that would make it a state of mind. Police Departments in States in USA are local and independent (in theory and actuality for the most part), so if you actually meant civilized State, that's awfully broad for your blanket statement.Actually, Golfinho, state is not a proper noun unless it is used in a name. So, for example, Florida is a state that is home to Florida State University.
Anyway, thanks for your interest in our language and Tempoecorto's mental state. He like you is not a native speaker, but his English is pretty good.
July 6, 2016 I witnessed police incompetence in Sosua.
I haven't been spending as much time in Sosua as I used to but on this occasion I witnessed something very disturbing. I was having lunch with friends at the Bourbon Street restaurant on Pedro Clisante in Sosua when I saw a commotion in front of the restaurant.
Apparently the following events occurred, a German gentleman was sitting in front of Bourbon Street and one of the street touts offered to charge his cell phone using one of the Bourbon Streets outlets but the owner refused not knowing who the cell phone belonged to and not wanting responsibility should something happen to it. Apparently the tout left with the phone without the German gentleman's permission.As you know I was there that day, and also witnessed the incident. I was sitting two tables from the German. I thought the police were incompetent as well in how they handled that drunk patron.
A few extra details. When I talked to one of the owners, he claimed they called the Politur police. He didn't mention that they called the PN. He said they called the Politur police several times, and if you recall, none showed up. From where I was sitting, two PN officers were passing by Bourbon St rest. They did not look like they were responding to a call to come to the rest. If they did they would have simply parked in front of the Rest. They werent even looking in the direction of the rest when they were passing by. I was looking right at them, wondering why they werent coming to the rest. That security guard that had the altercation with the German, is one of the individuals that spotted them, called out to them, and they eventually stopped and came over to see what the problem was.
The rest that you reported happened as you stated. I was shocked that after all of his behavior, and drunkenness that the PN didn't arrest him, or at least force him to leave the premises. I was also shocked that the owner I talked to did not engage with the police to express his concerns of not wanting that guy anywhere near his restaurant. But he didn't get involved. I asked him why didn't the police remove the guy from your place. He said he didn't know.
The kid / tout that took the phone, actually said something to the German before he left with the phone. Probably that he will go charge it and be back. But because he was so drunk, he either wasnt paying attention to what the kid was doing or he didn't understand him, or both.
After all the PN left, the German guy remained in front of the restaurant, and continued to make a scene, and talking shit. At one point he balled up one of the table cloths and threw it at one of the waitresses. He also attempted again to enter the restaurant, and that's when the security guard stepped in his way to prevent his entry. Some contact was made, and each tried to hit or push the other. I guess the security guard got very upset and pulled out his gun. Briefly the German dude backed up with some assistance from his buddles. But within a few minutes he was back in front taunting the security guard. Eventually the German was escorted across the street, and he got in a car with his friends and left. Shortly after, the kid / tout showed up with the phone, presumably charged up. By then the German was gone. One of the plainclothes PN forcibly escorted the kid to the police station, like he was a criminal.
But nothing was done to the drunk unruly patron at the restaurant? I agree with your observation.
Something did occur to me though. Maybe theres a reason why the Politur police never came. And if not for the 2 PN on a motorbike there wouldn't have been any LE at the scene either. Kinda reminds me of how some volunteer Fire depts work in SOME rural communities. If you own property and refuse to contribute to the firefighters requests for money/food etc, they just might fail to respond to an emergeny or let your property burn down before they put the fire out.
Maybe the owners of Bourbon St on PC arent connected or in with the PN or the Politur police. I see police going to the German restaurant to get food, or have a beverage, and hang there for a few minutes. But I havent yet seen any come to Bourbon Street, or socialize with the owners or staff. Doesnt mean it doesnt happen, just that I havent seen any connection with police and B street
The officers neglected their duty by not arresting an individual who made threats and was molesting patrons of the restaurant. After the police left the scene without taking any action this individual assaulted a security guard who could have shot and killed him; had that happened the officers in question would be culpable. We can agree to disagree.Before somebody tells me they disagree with me, 1st I need to know how they interpreted what I said that they CLAIM to disagree with. You got no such feedback. So I wouldn't worry about that. From what I saw, his behavior, his assaults and threats warranted an arrest. Or at the very least an escort away from the property. From what I saw, the PN left security up to Bourbon St. And since they had their own security (armed), perhaps they figured they could keep him out of the restaurant.
Were accustomed to a totally different handling of matters if local police are called to a scene as we had witnessed. But I will say this. I believe an arrest would or could have been made, but it depended on who the individual was, who he was with or looking after him.
Even without the aforementioned tools the officers could have called for sufficient officers to help them make the arrest but neglected to do so. It was my recommendation to the owner that he file a formal complaint against the officers who responded so that they can be held accountable for their actions.
I enjoy living in the Dominican Republic but I seriously hope I am never in a situation where I need the police.A kid on a moto crashed into my car. He was in pain from the impact, and had scraps on his knee. Instead of taking the kid to the hospital / clinic, they put him in my car and told me to drive to AMET police station. He had to be assisted into my car. It was me that called the Colonel from the Fire Station in Charimicos. I told him what happened and told him that the boy needs to be checked out. Thats when he called his ambulance squad to come to Amet to pick him up. It never occured to them, to have the kid examined to make sure there wasnt any internal injuries. So yes. I have seen blatant incompetence from police 1st hand.
Tempoecorto
07-10-16, 22:55
But, I'm still trying to figure out how the inaction of the police in the Dominican Republic that Mr. Camaro described are somehow being related and compared to the actions of the officers of various police departments in the United States of America.So here is a pointer in case you missed it: When someone claims his / her long experience matured in a place which is manifestly deeply troubled and is indeed questioning that kind of policing, you would, as an intelligent person, be questioning the applicability of that same old 'failed tactic" somewhere else. The same glove may not fit all sorts of hands, despite all hands having five fingers.
You believe is that the individual in question did nothing wrong and in this case the PN took the correct action by doing nothing. Is that your position on the issue?
I want to make sure I understand you since English is your second language. As an intelligent person I thought you would be able to see that the actions of individual police officers in the United States of America (which is an entirely different country and taking place under entirely different circumstances) have no bearing on if the PN officers discharged their duties in a professional manner in this particular case. I would hope that if an individual who is drunk and acting in a belligerent manner put his hands on me in the presence of PN police officers they would restrain, detain and remove the individual so I could continue my dinner in peace. If you put your hands on me (wearing a glove or not) that's assault!
So here is a pointer in case you missed it: When someone claims his / her long experience matured in a place which is manifestly deeply troubled and is indeed questioning that kind of policing, you would, as an intelligent person, be questioning the applicability of that same old 'failed tactic" somewhere else. The same glove may not fit all sorts of hands, despite all hands having five fingers.
You believe is that the individual in question did nothing wrong and in this case the PN took the correct action by doing nothing. Is that your position on the issue?
I want to make sure I understand you since English is your second language. As an intelligent person I thought you would be able to see that the actions of individual police officers in the United States of America (which is an entirely different country and taking place under entirely different circumstances) have no bearing on if the PN officers discharged their duties in a professional manner in this particular case. I would hope that if an individual who is drunk and acting in a belligerent manner put his hands on me in the presence of PN police officers they would restrain, detain and remove the individual so I could continue my dinner in peace. If you put your hands on me (wearing a glove or not) that's assault!SubCmdr, before you get knee deep being side tracked to respond to more nonsensical jibberish, did it ever occur to you identify exactly what the hell the other guy is talking about? What context is he claiming something in the US is deeply troubled? And what does he mean by failed tactics? What tactics? I mean at least tie the shit together so it makes sense.
He's making an argument out of bits and pieces without attaching it to any meaningful conclusion. What he's trying to assert, is that in the US certain things (whatever the hell that is) hasnt worked there, so why attempt to try them in the DR. Sort of like a hasty generalization. Like only the negative examples of problems that happened with police in the states, are supposed to represent a likely outcome in the DR. Insert rolleyes icon here.
Camaro1257
07-11-16, 04:32
Here is the wrong premise: Other places have other values and gun ownership. In Japan, cops go around in the neighborhood without a weapon and, so does (or did?) an English Bobby and those places are much more civilized by all indicators. A German drunkard's perception of Polizei is shaped differently, thus rendering your plan as to "how I would do it" less effective if not potentially irrelevant.My primary purpose for sharing what I witnessed was to inform our members of an incident that involved the Polica Nacional. IMHO if you are aware of the possible conduct of a group of people it can aide you in developing tactics and strategies that best suit you dealing with the same group of people. Some who read this thread either frequent the Dominican Republic and others live in the Dominican Republic; therefore the conduct of the Policia Nacional is relevant. Why someone would think that an intoxicated person who has threatened bodily harm and assaulted people should not have been arrested when the means were available to do so is beyond me but those who hold that opinion are entitled to it.
Most guys on the forum are either sport fuckers or GFE guys. I am split right down the middle. On my resent trip I did 8 chicas in 4 night. I had a great time. Everything from a 31 year old pro who was a 9 in looks and a 10 in the bed. She was like a porn star. I also did a 18 year old just because. Sosua provided access to all my fantacys. I was watching ballers on HBO. I was partying like a baller. On the other hand I had girls on my phone anxious to hook up and give quality loving. However sometime you have to wild out.
Robby Burns
08-18-16, 19:26
Hello to all,
I don't know where to search the Forum to find previous recommendations.
My local dentist wants $1750 to remove a crown and fix a cavity that he "thinks" is under the crown.
I am seeing websites for dentists in the DR that advertise crowns for the price of $225-$300. A lot less than $1750.
In addition--if I go to the DR to get the crown replaced--there will be the added bonus of being able to see 3 different chicas I have been writing to.
One is in Santo Domingo and the other 2 are in Santiago.
I know I am supposed to RTFF, but I don't know which section of the Forum I am supposed to read.
Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated. Either steering me to the correct section of the Forum, or steering me to a "USA-quality level" dentist.
Should I duplicate this post in the Santo Domingo and Santiago sections, too?
Crazy Jim Wood
08-24-16, 22:27
Hi, just wondering if anyone here has obtained a second passport from the DR. I heard it is possible to get one in the DR, within 2-3 years, for around $7000. I am sure there are better countries (like Panama) for a second passport, but I think Panama takes more like 6-7 years, or some country like St Kitts if you have $200,000 but I am in a position where I have $7000 and 3 years and am just wondering if anyone has done this and cares to PM me with some advice on how to do it? Thanks.
Mr Enternational
08-24-16, 23:02
Hi, just wondering if anyone here has obtained a second passport from the DR. I heard it is possible to get one in the DR, within 2-3 years, for around $7000. Why would anyone want one of those? And especially for that amount of money.
I'd pay $7 k for a second passport in a heartbeat. One use that comes to mind right away would be to avoid the 90 day limit for staying in the EU. Although, maybe they have you filed by date of birth or something and that would not work. Or if you get caught working and get deported. Or if Trump gets elected. Or if you get on the no-fly list. Or, for example, if the second passport was Mercosur or EU, to give you the option to live permanently in multiple countries (I know that a Mercosur passport doesn't legally convey that right, but as a practical matter you would be able to make multiple entries without worrying about it).
I'm sure it wouldn't be as much of a bargain as the paraguayan driver's license I got for $100, but I'd do it.
Crazy Jim Wood
08-25-16, 04:07
Why would anyone want one of those? And especially for that amount of money.$7000 is very inexpensive if you can just thrown down $7000 and get what you want. My fear is that it would cost a lot more. It would be nice though to hear from someone who knows if someone has succeeded in obtaining a Dominican passport for this amount in this time frame. If someone has obtained a second passport somewhere else for less of course that would be even better.
I have a friend who just got an Argentinean passport and I don't think it cost him $7 k. More like $3 or $4 k. But it was a looooong process. Plus, I think he had to go to the US at least once, and that was probably not included in the cost because he would have gone there at some point to visit family, or some such. He's the only North American I know who has two passports and did not have dual citizenship from birth. Also, the cost was probably lower because he was already living there. He had time to find the right lawyer, and so forth.
I can tell you that if you have provable retirement income, you can get permanent residency in quite a few places, but citizenship and passport is a lot tougher. There is a path to it in México, for example, that involves permanent residency first. I think that takes ten years.
Mr Enternational
08-25-16, 04:40
I'd pay $7 k for a second passport in a heartbeat. One use that comes to mind right away would be to avoid the 90 day limit for staying in the EU.Exactly. And my point is that DR is not the EU! So what would be the benefit to having a DR passport? The OP still has not answered that.
Exactly. And my point is that DR is not the EU! So what would be the benefit to having a DR passport? The OP still has not answered that.Any second passport should work to circumvent the EU's "90 in 180" limitation. You'd still have to leave the EU, but by alternating passports, you could stay in the EU permanently by leaving and re-entering. For example, live in southern Spain. Take the boat to Morocco for the day. But, as I say, maybe they have a system set up to catch that. An EU passport would be ideal, of course. Those of Irish or Italian descent can get passports from those countries and although my grandparents were born in Ireland, I have no way to prove it. Chile is fairly easy as you can get citizenship after three years of permanent residency. But the paperwork is ungodly.
Regular naturalization process in Dom Rep is subject to means and other tests, residency and takes more than 7 years.
I'd pay $7 k for a second passport in a heartbeat. One use that comes to mind right away would be to avoid the 90 day limit for staying in the EU. Although, maybe they have you filed by date of birth or something and that would not work. Or if you get caught working and get deported. Or if Trump gets elected. Or if you get on the no-fly list. Or, for example, if the second passport was Mercosur or EU, to give you the option to live permanently in multiple countries (I know that a Mercosur passport doesn't legally convey that right, but as a practical matter you would be able to make multiple entries without worrying about it).
I'm sure it wouldn't be as much of a bargain as the paraguayan driver's license I got for $100, but I'd do it.Dominican passport is useless for traveling. You need a Visa for almost every country with it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Dominican_Republic_citizens.
Crazy Jim Wood
08-25-16, 13:41
Regular naturalization process in Dom Rep is subject to means and other tests, residency and takes more than 7 years.Thanks for info
Exactly. And my point is that DR is not the EU! So what would be the benefit to having a DR passport? The OP still has not answered that.
Any second passport is of value, some are of more value than others. Some also cost more or take too long to obtain. If you can't understand that or feel differently just don't respond. I am not trying to convince you to get one. If you think it has no value don't worry about. Fuck off.
Dominican passport is useless for traveling. You need a Visa for almost every country with it.Obviously it is useful for traveling I guess you haven't spent any time in the DR if you don't know how many chicas travel abroad on a DR passport, to Spain for example. Even with a USA passport you need a visa for China or Brazil etc. And you need visas for most countries if you want to stay more than three months. But again, if you feel it is of no value, just don't worry about it & fuck off.
Obviously it is useful for traveling I guess you haven't spent any time in the DR if you don't know how many chicas travel abroad on a DR passport, to Spain for example. Even with a USA passport you need a visa for China or Brazil etc. And you need visas for most countries if you want to stay more than three months. But again, if you feel it is of no value, just don't worry about it & fuck off.No need to get agitated. I'm sure the Dominican passport works fine for you. 7000 well spent.
I was recently in South Atlanta at one of the worse hotel experiences in my life. There were prostitutes gay and straight living and conducting business on the property. These creatures were so nasty and repulsive it made me appreciate the worse of the Sosua tramps. It became very clear why we spend hundreds of dollars and travel hundreds of miles to see young attractive women willing to please.
I have no clue what these girls were asking but I would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. You can not compare what is available in Sosua and the talent level of American sex workers.
I was recently in South Atlanta at one of the worse hotel experiences in my life. There were prostitutes gay and straight living and conducting business on the property. These creatures were so nasty and repulsive it made me appreciate the worse of the Sosua tramps. It became very clear why we spend hundreds of dollars and travel hundreds of miles to see young attractive women willing to please.
I have no clue what these girls were asking but I would not touch them with a 10 foot pole. You can not compare what is available in Sosua and the talent level of American sex workers.You are so right the USA puts such a bad light on girls making money for fucking that only drug addicts and bad people in general take a part in the trade. If you know where to sit in Sosua you never have to enter any where and most all girls will pass you making it easy to strike up a conversation. Any night of the week in Sosua is better than my hometown. Now is a good time for all men here the numbers are crazy way more women than men.
Eszpresszo
09-02-16, 20:46
I was recently in South Atlanta at one of the worse hotel experiences in my life. There were prostitutes gay and straight living and conducting business on the property. These creatures were so nasty and repulsive it made me appreciate the worse of the Sosua tramps...Out of curiosity, did these creatures represent the general population of urban Atlanta, demographically speaking?
Interestingly, ATL seems to be one of the few cities with direct flights to POP. And they aren't cheap! So I can assume they stay full.
The putas in the states never represent the general population. These girls were the bottom of the barrell. They were scary nasty.
I would do not like casa either. In the DR the girls are much more normal. These girls in ATL are the no class females.
Out of curiosity, did these creatures represent the general population of urban Atlanta, demographically speaking?
Interestingly, ATL seems to be one of the few cities with direct flights to POP. And they aren't cheap! So I can assume they stay full.
Dasisextra
09-05-16, 06:35
Interestingly, ATL seems to be one of the few cities with direct flights to POP. And they aren't cheap! So I can assume they stay full.Miami, Newark, New York, Boston, Charlotte, There is another 5 for you. I guess there is more.
Miami, Newark, New York, Boston, Charlotte, There is another 5 for you. I guess there is more.Yes, there are flights direct from Canada and from Europe too, but that list is about it for the US. There are no direct flights from anywhere between Miami and Atlanta, which is 600 miles, and no direct flights from other parts of the US like the midwest, Texas, etc. And three of those airports, New York, Newark, and Boston are fairly close together. Boston is within 3-4 hours driving distance of New York. Of course you can make connections to these airports from all over the US, and there are flights to other destinations in the DR, like Santiago is more accessible from other airports in the US.
However Puerto Plata tends to be very expensive to get to from most places compared to Santiago and often Santiago plus taxis to Puerto Plata is a better deal.
ReadyToGetOnIt
09-05-16, 21:48
Out of curiosity, did these creatures represent the general population of urban Atlanta, demographically speaking?
Interestingly, ATL seems to be one of the few cities with direct flights to POP. And they aren't cheap! So I can assume they stay full.I'm going to have to hit the buzzer on that one, my friend.
There is nothing direct from ATL / POP. ATL is where I go to start my POP trips, and it's either a haul back to JFK / EWR or a stop in Miami. And even with the Miami connection. AA is usually tripping. The usual is about $650-700 and the price for my trip next week was $810 at 60 days out. IN LOW SEASON! Thank goodness for frequent flier miles.
Parkinsons
09-07-16, 04:26
With baby on way, wife doesn't want hubby on sex trip.
By Steve and Mia, Associated Press.
September 6, 2016.
Q: My husband's best friend is getting married and has planned a bachelor party in the Dominican Republic. I asked if I could come too and he said it was for men only. I don't want to be a be but I'm upset that he would go without me. We can't really afford it and we have a baby coming later this year. What should I do? Tell him he can't go?
Mia: You're right to be concerned. The Dominican Republic is a poor country and sex tourism is big. Prostitution is actually legal, provided that a third party doesn't profit. Depending on what part of the country he's in, your husband can expect to be approached by prostitutes. There's no shortage of massage parlors, strip clubs where men pay exit fees to take women home with them and street prostitutes looking for unescorted males. If your man is intent on going to hang out with his buddy, you might not be able to stop him. All you can do is talk to him about your concerns and hopefully trust him. If there's any doubt about his activities once he gets back, get him tested for sexually transmitted diseases immediately. Good luck!
http://m.newsok.com/article/feed/1069351
The advise column writer seems to have RTFF done her homework LOL.
http://fortune.com/2016/09/12/zika-virus-what-its-like/
And, I have never canceled a trip in my life (for work or pleasure) in decades of extensive travel.
Manizales911
09-16-16, 19:02
http://fortune.com/2016/09/12/zika-virus-what-its-like/
And, I have never canceled a trip in my life (for work or pleasure) in decades of extensive travel.Just wear insect repellent for crying out loud. I've been here for most of the last two years and have gotten neither Zika nor Chikungunya but I spray my legs with bug spray when I leave the house. I have several friends that have had one or both diseases but none of them use repellent, dumb if you ask me.
FuckAfMedDig
09-29-16, 15:11
DR got alot of hungry chicas-threads are correct as usual.
So many try and get people to send money for a range of excuses! LOL.
-and as soon as you refuse, the conversations get sporadic. On to the next potential Western Union customer! LOL.
The only ones to take serious of non-pros are the ones who aint tryina ask for shit, don't want nothing from you and you guys can hook up there.
They usually want something more serious but hey!
No free lunches either way.
Ironically no girl from Brazil-through the cupids have ever asked me for anything-to send anything. Many poor girls too. A couple have clearly been with bad motives but probably 500 have been cool.
Everyone I've ever met through there -no problemas.
Look forward to see how this virgin DR trip pans out.
Will meet 1 from Higuey in PC, one from Bavaro,3 from SD, one from San Franciso de Macoris.
The hot semi-pros quickly fade on conversations when you aint tryina send shit.
They still want to meet up in the hope they can get something there.
These are all non-pro conversations,.
No free lunches.
Eszpresszo
09-29-16, 16:26
http://fortune.com/2016/09/12/zika-virus-what-its-like/
And, I have never canceled a trip in my life (for work or pleasure) in decades of extensive travel.You just found that out? It arrived in South America last year.
When I was in Colombia last Spring zika hardly made the news from what I could tell. The most visible thing in the Colombian media appeared to be the upcoming season of Juego de Tronos (Game of Thrones). When Latin America gets worried about Zika then I will get worried.
Mr Enternational
10-01-16, 18:59
DR got alot of hungry chicas-threads are correct as usual.
So many try and get people to send money for a range of excuses! LOL.
-and as soon as you refuse, the conversations get sporadic. On to the next potential Western Union customer! LOL.
The only ones to take serious of non-pros are the ones who aint tryina ask for shit, don't want nothing from you and you guys can hook up there.
They usually want something more serious but hey!
No free lunches either way.
Ironically no girl from Brazil-through the cupids have ever asked me for anything-to send anything. Many poor girls too. A couple have clearly been with bad motives but probably 500 have been cool.
Everyone I've ever met through there -no problemas.
Look forward to see how this virgin DR trip pans out.
Will meet 1 from Higuey in PC, one from Bavaro,3 from SD, one from San Franciso de Macoris.
The hot semi-pros quickly fade on conversations when you aint tryina send shit.
They still want to meet up in the hope they can get something there.
These are all non-pro conversations,.
No free lunches.Plenty of free lunches to be had. Again, don't be too set on meeting a particular chick. If I had $1 for every time I was supposed to meet a chick and when I got here her internet was not working, nobody to keep kids, or whatever reasons / excuses. The best way to meet 3 is to have 100 on standby.
In April I was going to my friend's wedding in Punta Cana. He is Dominican and his wife Filipina. A chick in Sabana Iglesia (outside of Santiago) that I already know was supposed to come with me. The night before, I sent her $25 to make it to Santo Domingo. After that I never heard another peep from her. She would have had to leave by 9 am to make it to the capital at noon, the time I would have to start driving to Punta Cana. The next morning still nothing. No answer from her on Whatsapp. Her phone was off. And she had not picked up the money. After 9 am I called Western Union to cancel the transaction. Then I got back online and met a girl who had never met anyone online before. She was aprehensive about coming but was at my hotel within an hour to make the trip with me.
This chick had a Dominican masters but no job. She was taking a computer course on Saturdays. A few weeks after the trip she told me she would have to sell her computer to finish paying for the course. I told her that was a dumb idea. Never sell your working tools. So she asked me to borrow $60 and I told her no. I have seen her a couple of times since April. In this time she has gotten a good job and the other day she was just telling me that I could borrow some money from her if I needed. Before she asked me to be her boyfriend and I told her no because I did not want a girlfriend. She said she was going to cut things off with me in that case. I said that was fine. After 1 day she was back with telling me how much she misses me and sending me erotic pictures and everything. I will see her again Monday or Tuesday when I am back in Santo Domingo.
Just goes to show that there are free lunches and not to put your eggs into a Dominican basket. The best thing to do is to change your profile to say you are in Santo Domingo and only start searching no more than 1 week before coming.
The girl in Sabana Iglesia hit me up about 11 am that same day saying that the power had gone off the night before and had just come back on. She was at the store to pick up the money and needed the transaction number. I told her that I had already cancelled the money because she would have had to leave by 9 am. I guess that store got the message late because they gave her the money anyway and I still got my refund.
Mr Enternational
10-01-16, 19:03
You just found that out? It arrived in South America last year.
When I was in Colombia last Spring zika hardly made the news from what I could tell. The most visible thing in the Colombian media appeared to be the upcoming season of Juego de Tronos (Game of Thrones). When Latin America gets worried about Zika then I will get worried.And at the beginning of this year my girl in Venezuela got it. Not to say it worries me though. Last year there was Chikungunya, the year before that was it Ebola? The year before that Bird Flu. And next year it will be something else.
Camaro1257
10-02-16, 17:41
Dominican Spanish.
I left La Sirena in Puerto Plata walking to my car and a moto-concho pulled up to me and this is what I heard him say "ires moto cavelo?" So I looked at him like WTF you just say? Then I processed it and I realized he said "quieres un moto caballero?" (Do you want a moto sir?) It took me about 30 seconds. So what am I supposed to do when Dominicans are talking 100 words a minute in rapid fire broken Spanish?
I have resolved it's going to be a long road ahead of me. Bienvenidos a La Republica Dominicana!
Dominican Spanish.
I left La Sirena in Puerto Plata walking to my car and a moto-concho pulled up to me and this is what I heard him say "ires moto cavelo?" So I looked at him like WTF you just say? Then I processed it and I realized he said "quieres un moto caballero?" (Do you want a moto sir?) It took me about 30 seconds. So what am I supposed to do when Dominicans are talking 100 words a minute in rapid fire broken Spanish?
I have resolved it's going to be a long road ahead of me. Bienvenidos a La Republica Dominicana!Yep, it's a problem. But one small point: if the noun is not modified by an adjective, the indefinite article is not used. So it would just be 'quieres moto?' Now, if it's a big, small, blue, ugly, etc. moto, then you have to use 'una. 'Quieres una moto rápida?' for example.
Now, why is it feminine: la moto, una moto, and not el moto, un moto? Because 'moto' is an abbreviation of 'motocicleta,' which is feminine. 'Bici' works the same way: an abbreviation of the feminine noun 'bicicleta,' so it's la bici, una bici. 'Foto' is another one that is feminine (la fotografía).
Hope that helps!
Camaro1257
10-02-16, 20:44
Yep, it's a problem. But one small point: if the noun is not modified by an adjective, the indefinite article is not used. So it would just be 'quieres moto?' Now, if it's a big, small, blue, ugly, etc. moto, then you have to use 'una. 'Quieres una moto rpida?' for example.
Now, why is it feminine: la moto, una moto, and not el moto, un moto? Because 'moto' is an abbreviation of 'motocicleta,' which is feminine. 'Bici' works the same way: an abbreviation of the feminine noun 'bicicleta,' so it's la bici, una bici. 'Foto' is another one that is feminine (la fotografa).
Hope that helps!Gotcha, thanks.
Mr Enternational
10-02-16, 20:46
I have resolved it's going to be a long road ahead of me. Bienvenidos a La Republica Dominicana!I think DH is missing what you said. You are not asking about Spanish rules. You are asking about shitty Dominican Spanish. I think you are well on your way. You have to learn each thing as it comes to you.
What trips me out is like yesterday I was somewhere and asked a waitress de verdad? And she couldn't for the life of her understand what I was saying. But I am sure she would understand perfectly the jibberish that the motoconcho guy told you.
Trying to explain why uneducated people say strange things in Spanish. So when people are in the process of learning Spanish, it's helpful to understand common mistakes. Imagine being a native Spanish speaker trying to learn English, and hearing someone say "Where the shitter at?" Obviously, even fairly well educated people in the US say things like, 'Me and him went to the store' or 'I went and laid down.'
Camaro1257
10-02-16, 22:09
I have been living the Dominican Republic almost 2 years and I have been stopped more in that time than my entire life in the United States. I'd like to share a couple of recent encounters with the National Police.
Policia Nacional.
I was on my way to one of my Puerto Plata chics house and I pass a moto with 2 PN's it's about 2 in the morning and the ride is shinning so what? WHAT? . They got to stop me. The second one ask what make my truck is and smiling. The lead guy ask "eres Dominicano?" Really do I look Dominican? LOL. So I chat with them a minute we do the stare down thing and he ask me what I do I say "soy un jubilado" he looks confused. The second guy says "el es un jubilado como un pensiando" the other guy says ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh "pensianado" So now we are dealing with the key stone cops. LOL!
Somebody can correct me but my understanding is a "jubilado" is a person who is on full retirement with a pension and a "pensianado" is a partial pension disability or otherwise. Anyways it was comical that the junior guy understood me but the guy who seemed to be the boss didn't.
So the senior guy ask if I need an escort but I was 3 houses from my chics house and I pointed at her apartment. (The same thing happened when I was in Boca Chica the old police escort trick. LOL) So the senior guy ask for some ayuda and I read him the riot act about my accident when the PN responded and did nothing his eyes got big and I said "que malo!" and he said "todo no son iguales" we did the stare down thing and I drove off.
All the times I have been stopped I have never felt threatened actually these guys may be unprofessional soliciting tips but they all seem to be decent people anyways I passed on giving them anything without any consequence.
Policia Nacional otra vez.
While waiting for one of my chicas to arrive in front of Dulce Secreto in Sosua a truck with 2 PN's stopped. I recognize rank insignia so when the lead officer approached I greeted him saying "como estas teniente?" You should have seen the look on his face I extended my hand and we shook hands. So we chat a while and he looks at me and says "eres un policia no? GTFOOH! I didn't show my badge or identify myself in anyway as a police officer. So I smiled at him and asked "como tu sabes?" he just smiled pointed to his head and said "psicologia".
We chatted a while longer bid one another a good day. I was waiting for the stare down or the request for money but there was none. This experience was totally different from my last instance with the Keystone cops in Puerto Plata. I hope all my experiences with PN go this smooth.
"soy un jubilado" he looks confused. The second guy says "el es un jubilado como un pensiando"OK, so this is the same example I gave earlier. You wanted to just say "soy jubilado" because the noun 'jubilado' is unmodified.
In English, we want to say, 'I am a plumber. ' In Spanish you just say, 'I am plumber. ' (soy plomero). And they should have said, 'Él es jubilado como pensionado' because neither the noun 'jubilado' nor the noun 'pensionado' is modified by an adjective. It depends on where you are in the Spanish-speaking world, but 'jubilado' translates more as 'retired' and 'pensionado' translates more like 'disabled. '.
Maybe this will help: Yo soy plomero. Yo soy jubilado. Yo soy un plomero jubilado.
Camaro1257
10-02-16, 22:37
OK, so this is the same example I gave earlier. You wanted to just say "soy jubilado" because the noun 'jubilado' is unmodified.
In English, we want to say, 'I am a plumber. ' In Spanish you just say, 'I am plumber. ' (soy plomero). And they should have said, 'l es jubilado como pensionado' because neither the noun 'jubilado' nor the noun 'pensionado' is modified by an adjective. It depends on where you are in the Spanish-speaking world, but 'jubilado' translates more as 'retired' and 'pensionado' translates more like 'disabled. '.
Maybe this will help: Yo soy plomero. Yo soy jubilado. Yo soy un plomero jubilado.That helps and makes a lot of sense!
BoricuaOnline
10-03-16, 00:29
And at the beginning of this year my girl in Venezuela got it. Not to say it worries me though. Last year there was Chikungunya, the year before that was it Ebola? The year before that Bird Flu. And next year it will be something else.Mayaro virus first case wa diagnosed in Haiti a couple of weeks ago. It is transmitted by the same mosquito that causes dengue, chikingunya and zika.
I think DH is missing what you said. You are not asking about Spanish rules. You are asking about shitty Dominican Spanish. I think you are well on your way. You have to learn each thing as it comes to you.
What trips me out is like yesterday I was somewhere and asked a waitress de verdad? And she couldn't for the life of her understand what I was saying. But I am sure she would understand perfectly the jibberish that the motoconcho guy told you.I couldn't understand what you were saying either.
"De verdad" is used for emphasis to mean "truly". "Lo siento, de verdad. " = I am sorrry, truly I am. You can also translate it as "for real" in certain contexts. (As a linguist, you may wish to note that "verdad" has the same root as "verily". In Spanish this could be translated as "en verdad" which has an archaic, biblical connotation.).
"Es la verdad?" = Is it the truth?
"Es verdad" = It is true.
My guess is not that she did not understand the word "verdad", but that you were using that phrase "de verdad" in a context or sense that was unfamiliar to her.
Tempoecorto
10-03-16, 20:10
"De verdad" is used for emphasis to mean "truly". Presumably, Enternational had used it more as a follow up question, asking "de verdad" or "really"? Why the wait staff would not get it, is beyond me but I have found people there use "verdad" rather than the "de verdad" form to mean "really", which reminds me of, "In vino, veritas"!
Mr Enternational
10-03-16, 23:34
My guess is not that she did not understand the word "verdad", but that you were using that phrase "de verdad" in a context or sense that was unfamiliar to her.Wrong. Because as soon as the chick that I was with repeated my exact words she understood.
Camaro1257
10-09-16, 16:26
Facebook Hunting:
I have been putting a lot of time and effort into using Facebook by soliciting friends of friends and attempting to start conversations from there. I have noticed Colombianas and Dominicanas don't use Facebook the same way. Colombianas especially Piasas use Facebook as a major tool to meet gringos for dates but with most of the Dominicanas I have met the response has not been the same. Many of my request for friendship are excepted but some will not entertain a conversation or when they do it is very light conversation.
Facebook- civilians –non pros:
I've met a few true civilians that want novios and are not in a hurry to give up the toto. I had a date with one and she is a true woman with all the emotions and not wanting sex before commitment BLAH BLAH BLAH. She is made me realize why mongers do what we do LOL!
I have had a couple civilians off Facebook recently that were adamant they would not be giving up sex easily. I know it sounds un-monger like but I am enjoying spending time with women who don't want to charge me by the hour. I met a real cutie at La Sirena for our first meet and greet and she insisted she didn't want anything to drink or eat. After several request I was hungry so I got up and got something to eat and she followed. This chic got enough food for two and you should have seen her scarf it down. ROTFL. She was starving but didn't want me to know it.
We had a movie date and she had problems with child care so she brings her daughter along. She did the same thing again she didn't want anything then just before the movie she wants popcorn and nachos. The movie and the food cost me 700 pesos about $15.00. The same date in the USA Would have cost me twice as much. She is sweet as pie no pressure request for money BLAH BLAH BLAH. I know you guys think I am a hoe but I am really not. ROTFL!
Facebook –semi & pros:
I am striking out often. These chics will talk to me on Instant Messenger and say they have no phone but I look at their Facebook photos and see cell phones and selfies. I assume many like the anonymity of Facebook. Sometimes it is reasonable to conclude a chic is a pro or semi pro by the way she dresses the locations in her photos or her friends list, for example some have known mongers others do not.
I had one well known pro that accepted my friend request on Facebook but does not respond to my in-box message and it is clear she has read it. Some of my Facebook connects I have no idea what they are (pro, semi or non pro) but others I know for a fact are in the game but they have not responded also. I have accidently stumbled onto Paisas from Medellin who are up front with prices and services on Facebook. It seems as if the Colombianas are more sophisticated using Facebook than Dominicanas. As I continue to hunt on Facebook I see it's a numbers game.
I enjoy the hunt:
I really enjoy talking to women because it helps me improve my language skills as well as I can learn much from them. Sometimes they say profound things (at least to me. LOL) and other times they state the obvious but it comes across to me as profound because they are being honest and have nothing to hide. I have basic chit chat with a chica and I ask her if she is single and she responds saying "very few women are single here" When I read that I almost fell out! All these women claiming to be single really aren't? She could have fell in line with the other chicas and said she was single and took it from there but she was honest.
I have had more failures than successes but I am enjoying the hunt.
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