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Tempoecorto
10-10-16, 00:26
Facebook Hunting:
....I have had more failures than successes but I am enjoying the hunt.Good and insightful comments! Thank you. The thing is one needs time and patience (not to speak of language) to cultivate it.
Camaro1257
10-16-16, 12:03
Camaro's Chronicles.
I am going to start writing Camaro's Chronicles which will be anecdotes, observations & perspectives. Before I get started I will say that the majority of what I write will be stating the obvious. I find it interesting to see what veterans already know to be playing out right before my eyes.
The most obvious thing I am going to say is that sometimes paying for sex and companionship is just plain simpler (that is providing the hoe is not scheming). I enjoy dating because sometimes I want a smile, conversation and sometimes sex that doesn't have a direct quid pro quo price attached to it. It has been refreshing to me to spend time with women who at least are not immediately trying to get into my pockets; however civilian -non pros are not without their own challenges.
Unless they have good jobs or have family connections they are in need of financial assistance. Some want to put this façade of being a good girl, therefore they try to get help without sex. Recently I have had a couple who had a financial crisis and wanted my assistance without sex (stating I am not that kind of girl). What I don't understand is if you are not that kind of girl what makes you think I am that type of guy? Needless to say they were disappointed when I did not do what they wished.
Although I have been at the pro, semi pro and non pro crossroads many times I find that each type of woman satisfies the different desires I have during this season of my life.
Camaro's Chronicles.
I am going to start writing Camaro's Chronicles which will be anecdotes, observations & perspectives. Before I get started I will say that the majority of what I write will be stating the obvious. I find it interesting to see what veterans already know to be playing out right before my eyes.
The most obvious thing I am going to say is that sometimes paying for sex and companionship is just plain simpler (that is providing the hoe is not scheming). I enjoy dating because sometimes I want a smile, conversation and sometimes sex that doesn't have a direct quid pro quo price attached to it. It has been refreshing to me to spend time with women who at least are not immediately trying to get into my pockets; however civilian -non pros are not without their own challenges.
Unless they have good jobs or have family connections they are in need of financial assistance. Some want to put this faade of being a good girl, therefore they try to get help without sex. Recently I have had a couple who had a financial crisis and wanted my assistance without sex (stating I am not that kind of girl). What I don't understand is if you are not that kind of girl what makes you think I am that type of guy? Needless to say they were disappointed when I did not do what they wished.
Although I have been at the pro, semi pro and non pro crossroads many times I find that each type of woman satisfies the different desires I have during this season of my life.I will be delighted to read your chonicles. Are you going to write them here? Will you speak about some other countries or only Dominican Republic? Do you plan to write them in many posts here or in just one or in a few? I am asking that, so I will know when I must have a look.
Camaro1257
10-16-16, 17:41
I will be delighted to read your chonicles. Are you going to write them here? Will you speak about some other countries or only Dominican Republic? Do you plan to write them in many posts here or in just one or in a few? I am asking that, so I will know when I must have a look.I will keep the Camaro Chronicles in this section. If I visit Santiago, Santo Domingo or other location and I have something note worthy to report I will include a synopsis in that section.
Why don't you just start a " Camaro " section? It's overdue and would be appreciated by all members. I hate when I got to go somewhere new and remember Camaro did a review and I have to go digging for it. You can also cut and paste it to the appropriate forum. Camaro, your reports are too valuable to not have them in your own thread for easy access.
Camaro1257
10-17-16, 05:58
Why don't you just start a " Camaro " section? It's overdue and would be appreciated by all members. I hate when I got to go somewhere new and remember Camaro did a review and I have to go digging for it. You can also cut and paste it to the appropriate forum. Camaro, your reports are too valuable to not have them in your own thread for easy access.Since I am not a moderator I cannot create sections so I will simply put what I am writing in the appropriate section.
StudPlayer
12-07-16, 00:42
Quoted from Colombia Reports dot com:
Fourteen Colombian women have been rescued from a transnational ring in the Dominican Republic, authorities said Monday.
Officials from Colombia, the United States and the Dominican Republic arrested one American, three Dominicans and one Colombian involved with the organization.
The Colombian, identified as Julian Andres Sanchez, a. K. a. "El Baby," was detained in Medellin after arriving on a flight from Bogota.
He is alleged to be responsible for recruiting the women via social networks and coordinating their travel.
"The women, possibly victims of sexual exploitation, had been contacted in Colombia through social networks and were being held in four nightlife establishments in the city of Santo Domingo," said Colombia's Immigration Department in a press release.
Colombia vows to step up measures to combat.
The American, Rafael Elias Alcantara, is allegedly the leader of the trafficking ring for which he would travel regularly between Santo Domingo and Medellin.
The women, who range in age from 19-27 years old, were flown back to Colombia following their rescue, where they will receive medical attention and be reunited with their families.
The raid follows almost two years of investigation by international authorities into the organization.
While trafficking is still an issue in the country, according to the United States' State Department's 2016 Trafficking in Persons Report, Colombia is a Tier 1 country that "fully meets the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking. ".
I assume it should be no problem to find generic sildenafil in the DR but I was wondering about buying DHEA in Punta Cana or Santo Domingo.
There's a GNC in one of the Malls in Santo Domingo. They should have it.
I assume it should be no problem to find generic sildenafil in the DR but I was wondering about buying DHEA in Punta Cana or Santo Domingo..
Hello folks,
The time has come when I must take my family to the DR to explain to them 'why does dad go to DR often? Well the plan is to tell them not the full story but only what they need to know. So I will be making a trip with family. Plan is to take a few hours off here and then to participate in extra marital activities.
Here are a few questions that I would love to know the answers to. Keep in mind I will have a car so getting around won't be a problem:
1) Which areas do you recommend from a family perspective? Punta Cana I need to do because of specific obligations there (meeting some family members there). I picked a luxury resort in Cofresi because it is close to Blackbeard but not too close. We favor white sand beaches and snorkeling. Expense not so much of a problem but picture perfect locales are what we seek. I was thinking of adding Caberete as it would be close to Sosua. I can always escape at night. So besides Punta Cana, Caberete, and Cofresi, what destination is good? Is Samana a must see?
2) For car rental is there is a cheaper place to rent a car than airport? Based on prior car rental experience in DR, I know how painful and expensive it can be. The CDW insurance of $15-$20 per day is how they get you. I really need an SUV for the family.
3) I only know of the monger-friendly hot-spots of Puerto Plata and Sosua that are near tourist areas. Any other areas that I am not aware of?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Manizales911
12-15-16, 03:23
Hello folks,
The time has come when I must take my family to the DR to explain to them 'why does dad go to DR often? Well the plan is to tell them not the full story but only what they need to know. So I will be making a trip with family. Plan is to take a few hours off here and then to participate in extra marital activities.
Here are a few questions that I would love to know the answers to. Keep in mind I will have a car so getting around won't be a problem:
1) Which areas do you recommend from a family perspective? Punta Cana I need to do because of specific obligations there (meeting some family members there). I picked a luxury resort in Cofresi because it is close to Blackbeard but not too close. We favor white sand beaches and snorkeling. Expense not so much of a problem but picture perfect locales are what we seek. I was thinking of adding Caberete as it would be close to Sosua. I can always escape at night. So besides Punta Cana, Caberete, and Cofresi, what destination is good? Is Samana a must see?
2) For car rental is there is a cheaper place to rent a car than airport? Based on prior car rental experience in DR, I know how painful and expensive it can be. The CDW insurance of $15-$20 per day is how they get you. I really need an SUV for the family.
3) I only know of the monger-friendly hot-spots of Puerto Plata and Sosua that are near tourist areas. Any other areas that I am not aware of?
Thanks in advance for your advice.Las Terrenas, it doesn't have the mongering scene of Sosua but there's plenty enough for you.
Eszpresszo
12-15-16, 12:02
I assume it should be no problem to find generic sildenafil in the DR but I was wondering about buying DHEA in Punta Cana or Santo Domingo.I would like to hear your experience with DHEA. I understand it effectiveness is controversial, but it sounds like you must have gotten some desired results.
Thanks.
I am traveling to SD in a few weeks. As my flight is arriving in the evening, I thought to save myself the hassle of looking for a hotel after dark and made a reservation via Booking.com. I have only used them once before, because I like to make my reservations directly with the hotel. That was in the beginning of December. Now early on 25th I received an SMS from my credit card company, asking if I had tried to make an online payment to an Apple Store the same night. Before answering them, I called my bank, asking if that message was legitimate, because I suspected that it was a phishing message. My bank told me that the message was legitimate, so I answered to them. After my message to them, they closed my card temporarily and today after talking to them they asked me to cut my card in two. They will send me a new one. Somebody had tried to use it in an Apple online store and buy an airline ticket.
I don't use my credit card too often. I had only used it couple of times before Christmas in stores that I trust. Most of the time I use cash or my debit card. Before I made the reservation, I thought that Booking.com keeps the CC information to themselves, but now it seems that they pass the information to the hotel the reservation was made with. Give the information to the staff of a small Dominican hotel and this happens.
P.S. Casa Valeria You can pay with PayPal, which is safe.
Mr Enternational
12-27-16, 23:48
Before I made the reservation, I thought that Booking.com keeps the CC information to themselves, but now it seems that they pass the information to the hotel the reservation was made with. Give the information to the staff of a small Dominican hotel and this happens.Are you asserting that the small Dominican hotel is responsible for the fraud on your card?
Are you asserting that the small Dominican hotel is responsible for the fraud on your card?Yes. Booking.com doesn't make the charge on my card, as I thought, but they pass the card information to the hotel, which makes the charge. Of course it's not the hotel but someone in the staff.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 19:26
Yes. Booking.com doesn't make the charge on my card, as I thought, but they pass the card information to the hotel, which makes the charge. Of course it's not the hotel but someone in the staff.But unless it is a brand new card that you have never used before, you can not point to the hotel as the culprit. You may have bought something from anywhere before and that place may have been hacked.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 19:35
As I have questioned before, why is it so hard for Dominican women to follow a conversation or to have some modicum of what the fuck is going on? Many times I meet chicks online then I bring up where they live. And they are like how do you know where I live? Seriously?
Yesterday talking to a chick and:
Her: como sabes que vivo en santiago.
Me: queeee. No tienes perfil?
Her: yes.
Me: soooo?
Her: what?
Me: scroll back and read.
Her: read what?
Me: my goodness. Are you even following the conversation?
Her: yes. You did not give me an answer.
Me: you do not understand that you have a profile that says where you live?
Her: ok. Yes.
Seriously you can not make this shit up. Guess they are good for fucking at least.
Yes. Booking.com doesn't make the charge on my card, as I thought, but they pass the card information to the hotel, which makes the charge. Of course it's not the hotel but someone in the staff.Anyone one with any real knowledge of how the financial system works especially the "access device" part of the the financial system would know that stolen credit card information is hot. Hacking operations are run by criminals that are highly organized and attack on a grand scale. These activities are not random. That's why credit card companies have the software that tracks your card usage and flags unusual activity. Your connection between those who had access to your credit card information and the time of the fraudulent transaction led you to the correct assertion.
I have been contacted by DR chicas who are not working girls who want to be with me a 60 plus guy. These are ladies who I have met in my travels. Not Working Girls. Just think what the options are for a guy my age in the US. These ladies are enthusiastic about being with me.
As I have questioned before, why is it so hard for Dominican women to follow a conversation or to have some modicum of what the fuck is going on? Many times I meet chicks online then I bring up where they live. And they are like how do you know where I live? Seriously?
Seriously you can not make this shit up. Guess they are good for fucking at least.I know a chica from Santiago who claims to now want a "stable relationship" with a man. I told her that what she really wants is a man to provide for her financially. She claims she doesn't want a mans money. She just wants him to provide for the "basics". I asked, what's the basics consist of?
She said buying food, supporting her if she's behind on rent, medicine, electricity and in case of emergencies. I know it also includes paying for her transportation, food / drink and accommodations when she's with me. So I asked her doesn't that require a mans money in order to pay for all of that? She said yes, but I do not want a man for his money. But dig, if the man failed to pay for her basics, she wouldn't be with him.
Another woman (the wife of a friend) in the states asked me to change the time on her car radios clock. I said I'll give it a try. I thought she had tried and couldn't figure it out. She said if you have a problem, the manual is in the glove compartment.
When I got the manual out, I could see she had already turned to the page for adjusting the clock on the radio. Are you kidding me? So what was so hard to figure out?
You couldn't read and comprehend the same information I just read? Ok I made the adjustment, and she thanked me like it was nothing. Any ordinary minded person might have been a little embarrassed for not knowing how to figure out something so simple.
Or better still, might have came out to the car to look to see what I did, so they could do it themselves the next time. Unfortunately, many of these females today are quite clueless.
A lot of females all over the planet are just clueless bro.
AGarbageMan
01-20-17, 14:24
Hola,
Planning my first trip. What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity. Is Viagra available without prescription? I would like to seek other adventures also? How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?
Thanks in advance.
Member #2041
01-20-17, 17:56
I have been contacted by DR chicas who are not working girls who want to be with me a 60 plus guy. These are ladies who I have met in my travels. Not Working Girls. Just think what the options are for a guy my age in the US. These ladies are enthusiastic about being with me.Well, here in the USA, when she was 30, Anna Nicole Smith was enthusiastic about being with a 97 year-old guy with a bad heart. Just coincidentally, he happened to also be a billionaire.
Hola,
Planning my first trip. What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity. Is Viagra available without prescription? I would like to seek other adventures also? How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?
Thanks in advance.I don't know about walking in a specific hotel, Sunrise seems to be a popular location. You might email in advance. While reading this forum, it seems plenty of hotels are available if you have time to wander around. Viagra is available in the pharmacies. As far as fishing, I haven't seen fishing from the main Sosua beach, but I have seen charter type boats.
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:45
Hola,
Planning my first trip. What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity. Is Viagra available without prescription? I would like to seek other adventures also? How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?
Thanks in advance.I have replied in the "Sosua Reports" section. Hopefully others will contribute there.
I suggest you delete this post as duplicating posts is bad form.
Parkinsons
01-24-17, 07:40
Interesting hidden camera social experiment:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnw36eyiGE
Surprised? No? Think the venue skews the results?
Mr Enternational
01-24-17, 12:08
Interesting hidden camera social experiment:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnw36eyiGE
Surprised? No? Think the venue skews the results?Since I tell them off the bat that I don't have money I would say it is my good looks. Whenever chicks ask what I am looking for I always tell them a sexy ass woman with a lot of money; but in general I have been known to settle for 1 out of 2.
RodneyOstby
01-24-17, 14:26
Interesting hidden camera social experiment:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnw36eyiGE
Surprised? No? Think the venue skews the results?Hi my friend,
I've watched the video and. Wow it's the truth because finally money become boring! In this case, rich man always has the same speech and women want more than a rich look. They want complicity and, above all, someone who makes them laugh.
I have been with some other Dominican escort and we have always ended up talking and laughing a lot. I'm not rich or especially handsome, so making a laugh is the key. That's my point.
FuckAfMedDig
01-24-17, 18:26
Hi my friend,
I've watched the video and. Wow it's the truth because finally money become boring! In this case, rich man always has the same speech and women want more than a rich look. They want complicity and, above all, someone who makes them laugh.
I have been with some other Dominican escort and we have always ended up talking and laughing a lot. I'm not rich or especially handsome, so making a laugh is the key. That's my point.All the DR girls I have talked to would def say Looks and if the looker had some paper. That's marriage time! LOL.
The chicas on a straight paper chase with no regard for looks are present but ID say Brasil and DR would have the same outcomes from these type of mini social experiments.
You could also make it even more explicit in the video-the rich dude could drive a Ferrari etc and have more Rolexes etc. He was a bit low key with just the decent ride!
Sorry for head-bumping in with this question.
What are the general average rates for ST in:
PC.
BC.
S.D.
Sosua.
Mr Enternational
01-25-17, 15:01
Sorry for head-bumping in with this question.
What are the general average rates for ST in:
PC.
BC.
S.D.
Sosua.There are no average rates. Some people go off the original price they are given while others negotiate. Some people shop at organized establishments and some shop with independents. RTFF in each section to see what different people are paying in different places.
What are the general average rates for ST in:
PC.
BC.
S.D.
Sosua.Mr. Adams,
Sosua.
During my one and only trip there I paid a bar girl 2000 (ST) pesos, a street girl 1500 (ST), and gave a waitress 1500 (ST) and I liked her so much I repeated 1500 (TLN). The waitress did not ask for anything. I just gave it to her. The street girl wanted 2000 pesos but I was not having any of that so I negotiated right up until I was about to put the key and the door. And she finally accepted 1500 pesos. She was a sweetheart. No problems. The bar girl was a straight Chapiadora. The sex was fine but the could have done without the attitude. Was like mental armwrestling.
Boca Chica.
Out of Batay she was 2000 (ST). Waitress was 1000 (TLN) two times.
Santo Domingo.
Prices range for full service from: 1000 pesos - 6000 pesos. The range is wide because it depends upon how you sourced your provider.
1000- 1500 Street Walkers and Personal Arrangements with Barrio Girls.
1500- 3000 UTR's & Semi Pros.
3000- 6000 Professional Escorts catering to gringos and rich dominicans.
You have to factor in the location where you plan to do the deed also. But you didn't ask about that. Cabanas are 350 - 600 pesos depending upon location and amenities.
Punta Cana.
I got nothing for you there brother. I use that spot as treat for my non-pros. But Camero has a good post in the Punta Cana section. I will say that I saw three street walkers on resort row at 3:30 in the morning on the way to House Drink (Or was it Drink Point) I don't remember. And when I was there my travel partner pointed out dozen working girls and I saw at least half a dozen of them leaving with gringos.
It should be noted that is what is called an answer to a post requesting information. I told you what I know and what I did. Telling someone to RTFF is some serious weak ass shit!
I am thinking about spending a few months in DR. I am thinking Santiago, Santo Domingo and / or Sosua. I have experience in Colombia, Brazil and Thailand. My Spanish is not great but it works.
1. How is the internet generally? In Peru it gets pretty bad and is unreliable, Colombia has been fine. I do need a reliable connection for Skype and decent speed for work (10 mbps is live able).
2. Anyone know any salsa group classes or tutors in the mentioned city that are good? I feel like Sosua isn't going to have classes, but Santiago and Santo Domingo might.
3. It looks like Uber is available in Santiago and Santa Domingo but not Sosua. Can anyone confirm? I read about people taking motorbikes. I'the rather pay more for a taxi if that's an option (or walk).
4. Sosua: How safe is it walking up Camino del Libre at night? I see some AirBNBs up that way.
5. Any recommendations for neighborhoods to stay in for Santiago or Santo Domingo? I usually stay for a month or so at a time in an AirBNB. I mainly want something that is quiet during the day and has a decent internet connection. Something with day and nighttime food options nearby, and hopefully a building with security. I maybe monger weekly, not everyday / all the time.
6. How is Sosua now with the crack-down?
7. Which city has the hottest girls? .
Sorry if these questions bother anyone. FWIW its kind of hard to review the post history when there is so much argumentation over the appropriateness of questions or responses. So if you would like to complain, I invite you to PM me directly.
Grandnash84
02-03-17, 08:59
I am thinking about spending a few months in DR. I am thinking Santiago, Santo Domingo and / or Sosua. I have experience in Colombia, Brazil and Thailand. My Spanish is not great but it works.
1. How is the internet generally? In Peru it gets pretty bad and is unreliable, Colombia has been fine. I do need a reliable connection for Skype and decent speed for work (10 mbps is live able).
2. Anyone know any salsa group classes or tutors in the mentioned city that are good? I feel like Sosua isn't going to have classes, but Santiago and Santo Domingo might.
3. It looks like Uber is available in Santiago and Santa Domingo but not Sosua. Can anyone confirm? I read about people taking motorbikes. I'the rather pay more for a taxi if that's an option (or walk).
4. Sosua: How safe is it walking up Camino del Libre at night? I see some AirBNBs up that way..1. depends on the provider. Claro is the fastest and most reliable. Delancer sucks balls.
2. I'm sure google will tell you and I'm sure sosua or something close has it. The north coast is the most foriergner friendly place in the country.
3. sosua is so small no need for uber or taxi. Take a motochoncho, rent a car, or rent a golf cart. Just got back Monday and rented a golf cart. Had hella fun with it. That walking shit gets old.
4. never had a problem always felt safe in sosua. Just depends what kind of person you are.
5. in sd gaze, zona colonial, naco are neighborhoods I would stay in. Only been to santiago 5 times and always stayed by the monument.
6. got back Monday, back to normal excpet for the closers heard rumba might be open this week for super bowl. Placed looked ready to go and that dude wit pony tail and beard was in there everyday.
7. out of the cities you listed, santiago but its all personal preference. Sosua would be the last out the three.
Mr. Thomas,
I am thinking about spending a few months in DR. I am thinking Santiago, Santo Domingo and / or Sosua. I have experience in Colombia, Brazil and Thailand. My Spanish is not great but it works.
1. How is the internet generally? In Peru it gets pretty bad and is unreliable, Colombia has been fine. I do need a reliable connection for Skype and decent speed for work (10 mbps is live able).In my experience Claro sucks. I've had them for my telephone and internet service the entire time I have lived here. My speed is 5 mbps and it's been like posting on ISG trying to get it sped up (aggravating). My main girls live in a barrios in Santa Domingo Este. A real barrios where they are actually near Colmados and they play loud music all the time. They come over to my place and ask "what's wrong with your internet. It's so slow! They have Tricom. Now I also have a mobile hotspot from Orange. It's 4 G and I've never tested the speed but I have no problems with at all. I"m on a monthly plan but I know you can pay as you go.
2. Anyone know any salsa group classes or tutors in the mentioned city that are good? I feel like Sosua isn't going to have classes, but Santiago and Santo Domingo might.I got nothing for you specifically. But I see signs for schools and advertisements all the time when I'm driving around Santo Domingo in the Gran Jefe mobile. So they are here.
3. It looks like Uber is available in Santiago and Santa Domingo but not Sosua. Can anyone confirm? I read about people taking motorbikes. I'the rather pay more for a taxi if that's an option (or walk).Uber is indeed available in Santo Domingo and Santo Domingo Este. I don't use them. But I have two excellent taxi drivers from two different companies that both speak English. And I rock the Gran Jefe mobile. I also know to use "transporte publico" and the metro. Both of those are great for local color and you never know you you might meet. When you are rocking the non-pros the way I do you look for opportunities like that.
4. Sosua: How safe is it walking up Camino del Libre at night? I see some AirBNBs up that way.No comment.
5. Any recommendations for neighborhoods to stay in for Santiago or Santo Domingo? I usually stay for a month or so at a time in an AirBNB. I mainly want something that is quiet during the day and has a decent internet connection. Something with day and nighttime food options nearby, and hopefully a building with security. I maybe monger weekly, not everyday / all the time.There is Santo Domingo and Santo Domingo Este. In my building in Santo Domingo Este there is a AirBNB listing for a three bedroom apartment with a ocean view for $39.00/ night. That's a fact! My building has 24 hour security with two armed guards one patrolling the property with my favorite weapon of serious social work the Mossberg Pump. There is a pool and Tennis Court. You will not have to deal with loud music or Colmados. That's a fact! And there are four different Colmados that deliver to my building.
You are a 200 peso ride from Parque Colon, Mega Centro (the spot for non pro day game in Santa Domingo Este) or Coral Mall. You can also head over to "that side" and hang out with the nose in the air (middle class or are they rich?) people that populate some of the areas others have listed.
6. How is Sosua now with the crack-down?No comment.
7. Which city has the hottest girls?If your thing is white girls then of course you would list Santiago as having the hottest girls. Not for me as I have fucked enough of them in the United States of America to last me a lifetime. No my man! Give me my pussy pink on the inside and butter pecan to dark chocolate on the outside. That's why Santo Domingo Este works for me. I don't think the girls in Sosua are ugly. They are prostitutes. Performance matters. I'm not looking for eye candy. I'm looking for a ho. A town that has not been mentioned is Boca Chica. There is an excellent report in that section about it. And it's just down the road.
I don't really monger, but when I do I prefer Boca Chica. ROTFLMAO!
Sorry if these questions bother anyone. FWIW its kind of hard to review the post history when there is so much argumentation over the appropriateness of questions or responses. So if you would like to complain, I invite you to PM me directly.No bother my man. Always a pleasure to help a brother out. But you are right about all of the argumentation. It would seem that if you haven't lived here for "20 years on and off" you don't have a right to an opinion or even facts about situations even if you clearly know more than the person does that is challenging you.
All I want to know is where the ho's at my brother. Have a great trip!
2. Anyone know any salsa group classes or tutors in the mentioned city that are good? I feel like Sosua isn't going to have classes, but Santiago and Santo Domingo might.Find yourself a Venezuelan pro LT and she will teach you both, vertical and horizontal salsa for DOP 4000 per day.
Charles Pooter
02-04-17, 21:56
Anyone know any salsa group classes or tutors in the mentioned city that are good? I feel like Sosua isn't going to have classes ...There is a well-regarded dance school in Sosua. I imagine they would teach salsa by arrangement.
Since my re-emergence on the scene in DR last year (after a 6 year hiatus), I've noticed its become quite common for the chicas to obtain (or sadly, try to obtain) some form of cosmetic enhancement. Mostly in the ass or waist areas is what I've noticed. And, while I can say it definitely improves how they look walking down the street, some of the scarring once the clothes come off can be ghastly. Like from an episode of Saw or Hostel.
I was just wondering if any of the residents / DR vets / others have any insight as to this turn of events, the conditions under which the girls get these procedures, pricing--just a general overview in how this has become more pervasive in the culture there. I assume most do it as an investment in hopes of either making more money as putas or finding a rich husband. Same as most women elsewhere. Just wondering if it is to the degree that it was / is in, say, late 90's / early 2000's Medellin and Cali, Colombia.
I hope this makes for a good thread!
There is a well-regarded dance school in Sosua. I imagine they would teach salsa by arrangement.You can go to the Emily Watson School of Dance. You can find her at the Watson's Realty office just across from the Orange store. She speaks fluent English. You could learn Salsa and buy a house at the same time.
Parkinsons
02-08-17, 21:11
http://youtu.be/We375yN-lvs
1. The weekend millionaires are slipping. Instead of making it rain, they're now just fanning themselves with the Benjamins.
2. "migos". Seriously? Can't even spell friends in Spanish right. Learn how to speak the language or they can never move on from Sosua!
3. Or Blackbeard's. Wow they did a great job remodeling the place.
4. Actually I do recognize the chica with the most screen time in the vid. Her IG acct: http://instagram.com/melodivabaez.
JamesKm1984
02-09-17, 03:51
Hey everyone!
First off, thank you too all the members for the information that you've provided. I've been wanting to go on a pooning trip for a long time, but just never had the time. Now that I'm free to, I've narrowed it down to either Tijuana or DR. From what I've been reading about Tijuana, it seems like most of the girls there are wham-bam-thank-ma'am types, especially the one's that work HK. I'm from the States and I'm more used to the hour+ GFE appointments with escorts. Is that something I can find in the DR?
If anyone can just point me in the right direction, that would be great. Once again, thank you very much!
http://youtu.be/We375yN-lvs2. "migos". Seriously? Can't even spell friends in Spanish right. Learn how to speak the language or they can never move on from Sosua!Actually Migos is the name of the group that Quavo, who is featured on the record, is a part of. Just saying. LOL!
Charles Pooter
02-09-17, 18:55
Hey everyone!
First off, thank you too all the members for the information that you've provided. I've been wanting to go on a pooning trip for a long time, but just never had the time. Now that I'm free to, I've narrowed it down to either Tijuana or DR. From what I've been reading about Tijuana, it seems like most of the girls there are wham-bam-thank-ma'am types, especially the one's that work HK. I'm from the States and I'm more used to the hour+ GFE appointments with escorts. Is that something I can find in the DR?
If anyone can just point me in the right direction, that would be great. Once again, thank you very much!At least three factors might affect your choice;.
Do you speak any Spanish? If you want GFE in the DR, Spanish helps a lot.
How long is your trip? If for three days the DR is less cost-effective. If for two weeks, not a problem.
Are you color-prejudiced? Most putas in the DR range from light-brown to jet-black (and many of us would say that the darker the skin, the better the experience). If you are stuck on light-skinned blondes you might do better in Colombia.
But if open to all colors, then GFE for a few hours or the night is certainly available in the DR at a reasonable price (US$40 to US$80 depending on how good you are at selecting and negotiating).
Mr Enternational
02-09-17, 23:25
Now that I'm free to, I've narrowed it down to either Tijuana or DR.
I'm more used to the hour+ GFETijuana: Going to a strip club after work with coworkers where you are sure to get laid. DR: Vacation on a tropical island where you are sure to get laid. For the $60-$80 an hour that you will spend with a Hong Kong chick, you can spend all night with a chick in DR. For my tastes, HK hookers look way better than DR hookers. (HK hookers are some of the best looking ones in the game, although there will be many with tit and ass implants.) Flip side of that is that DR normal chicks look way better than Tijuana normal chicks.
You can get pretty nice Tijuana street girls for $10 plus $3 for the room for 20-30 min. (But be careful because 99% are a la carte. When you get to the room they will take their pants off and leave them on 1 leg. If you want them to take their shirt off, bj, more than 2 positions, then they will want extra. So be sure to specify all of that before going to the room. The TJ Amigo video below is spot on. )
In DR you are going to pay $21-$32 for 1 pop with a chick you pick up off the street (more than likely they will try to rush you.)
If you are looking for LT GFE, then Philippines would be your place. LOL. I picked up a chick the other night that wanted $60 for a few hours. I talked her to $40 from 3am until 11am. When it came time for her to go I had to ask her if she was sure that she wasn't my gf because it damn sure seemed like it. This is a message she sent me yesterday: if you really want me to stay you ask me rigth. Couldn't ask her to stay though because I was going on a trip with my gf that afternoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtnCkE5RpK0&t=23s
Mr Enternational
02-10-17, 22:47
Ten year high. Enjoy it!
Tijuana: Going to a strip club after work with coworkers where you are sure to get laid. DR: Vacation on a tropical island where you are sure to get laid. For the $60-$80 an hour that you will spend with a Hong Kong chick, you can spend all night with a chick in DR. For my tastes, HK hookers look way better than DR hookers. (HK hookers are some of the best looking ones in the game, although there will be many with tit and ass implants.) Flip side of that is that DR normal chicks look way better than Tijuana normal chicks.
You can get pretty nice Tijuana street girls for $10 plus $3 for the room for 20-30 min. (But be careful because 99% are a la carte. When you get to the room they will take their pants off and leave them on 1 leg. If you want them to take their shirt off, bj, more than 2 positions, then they will want extra. So be sure to specify all of that before going to the room. The TJ Amigo video below is spot on. )..Excellent video so true and so funny!
Eszpresszo
03-02-17, 18:27
It has not been two weeks since I finished my trip to the Dr. It was short but very sweet. It is a place with an odd charm, though it wouldn't seem the likely place for me to get an affinity for. As I was warned here on this forum, things in the DR don't go like you expect them to, about half the time. The country is very inefficient and the people have a different sense of priorities. Go to a cafe and order a cup of coffee and it may be a while before they get around to delivering it. Some would say that is just typical 3rd world, but in Colombia at least, if you order a cup of coffee, they will damn sure get you that cup of coffee and it will be a damn good cup of coffee. Besides, in Colombia, things seem to work out like they are supposed to 80% of the time. People seem to be less poor in Colombia, as well. Perhaps that is because the cost of many things is actually very cheap in Colombia, whereas the DR didn't come off as very cheap compared to US prices. I bought a small bottle of Presidente at a grocery store in Coca Chica when I realized I was paying the same price for a beer at a convenience store in the US. Being on an island doesn't help, as we all should know islands tend to be expensive places. Pure economy is not one of the DR's strong points.
That said, what does the DR have going for it. I had to do a comparison of the mongering destinations I have visited in the past 16 months: Berlin, Medellin, Thailand and the DR. Three continents and an island in the Caribbean. All should have their merits.
Berlin: culture, nightlife, history, brothels, cheap alcohol, excellent infrastructure and public transport, superb freelancers. Yes, freelancers who take their job seriously. No petty haggling. Prices and services set in stone, no unpleasant surprises and no rushing you through the time you paid for. No begging for gratuities. First-world prices and first-rate service. Danke and please come visit me again.
Medellin: Lovely latinas doing dirty deeds, dirt cheap. Bland food but cheap beer. Perfect weather year around. Surprisingly easy to access these days.
Thailand: Monger's paradise with delicious food, abundant beaches and lots of things to other things to do at a price that will make you pinch yourself.
The Dominican Republic? Lots of warts here. Those who have been there know it. Probably more expensive to drink there than in Berlin. Infrastructure issues, with electricity and running water not guaranteed. And the girls are not the beauties you would find in Medellin and probably other points in LA. The do like to hustle you and they expect their propinas. The most untrustworthy I have encountered.
Still there is something about the DR that I like, but can't explain. Now I can understand why so many first world citizens end up being expats there even though I cannot give a definitive reason why. Yes, there is a certain allure to the girls. I won't be the first person to claims that Dominicanas are an acquired taste. However, as I have explained more than once, it only took me about 15 minutes to acquire it. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, but I still have this urge to get more of them. And that is a dangerous attraction.
Interesting international comparisons, coffeeman. Try the PI sometime if you like Thailand, although the food there cannot compare to Thailand. Concur on the German food and beer, nothing like it anywhere. As for the DR could it be the young, available, beautiful chicas with the enormously large chi chis? Well that's what does it for me jajajjajaja. Medellin is still on my bucket list. Cheers. [QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2005529.
Still there is something about the DR that I like, but can't explain. Now I can understand why so many first world citizens end up being expats there even though I cannot give a definitive reason why. Yes, there is a certain allure to the girls. I won't be the first person to claims that Dominicanas are an acquired taste. However, as I have explained more than once, it only took me about 15 minutes to acquire it. / QUOTE].
Eszpresszo
03-03-17, 16:44
Interesting international comparisons, coffeeman. Try the PI sometime if you like Thailand, although the food there cannot compare to Thailand. Concur on the German food and beer, nothing like it anywhere. As for the DR could it be the young, available, beautiful chicas with the enormously large chi chis? Well that's what does it for me jajajjajaja. Medellin is still on my bucket list. Cheers. .Thanks for the tip, and I was also looking at the PI, though logistically it is the opposite of DR (which is easy for me to get to). Yes, Thai food is delicious, and cuisine is also a draw for me. That's one reason I want to visit Malaysia, though it is not a mongering paradise but the food is apparently diverse and delicious.
Yes, there are some "intangibles" about the DR that are part of its unlikely appeal. I'm afraid I could get hooked on the place.
Still there is something about the DR that I like, but can't explain. Now I can understand why so many first world citizens end up being expats there even though I cannot give a definitive reason why.Perhaps it is living on island in the Caribbean and having a life that is other people's vacation. But I can only speak for myself. As for not having historical knowledge to compare. Guilty as charged. But in the minds of everyone that think things only decline with the passage of time, when I do have a decade or more of DR experience. I hope I don't sit around talking about the glory days (roll the Bruce Springsteen song on the outro).
OK. New to this island (I'm a Thailand-Asia old monger) and Need as much info from BM'(hotels, bars, and prices). I am planning a week the last of May and any help will be good. I'm reading posts but so many and not a lot recent.
While on my last trip I ran into a dozen guys who I had seen on past trips. All of these guys are 50 plus and thrilled to be having sex with young women at a rate they had not experienced in their 20's. For these guys they are now in a sexual revival. With cialis and viagra performance is much less an issue. Sex with attractive young girls is a fountain of youth for guys my age.
Perhaps it is living on island in the Caribbean and having a life that is other people's vacation. But I can only speak for myself. As for not having historical knowledge to compare. Guilty as charged. But in the minds of everyone that think things only decline with the passage of time, when I do have a decade or more of DR experience. I hope I don't sit around talking about the glory days (roll the Bruce Springsteen song on the outro).
While on my last trip I ran into a dozen guys who I had seen on past trips. All of these guys are 50 plus and thrilled to be having sex with young women at a rate they had not experienced in their 20's. For these guys they are now in a sexual revival. With cialis and viagra performance is much less an issue. Sex with attractive young girls is a fountain of youth for guys my age.Mr. OldKool,
I understand the sentiment of your boys. For me is just the endless supply and availability of girls of all ages that I find amazing here. Of course there are those who will say it's because I don't know any better because I haven't experienced anything else. I can only just laugh when I read that because I've been to 33 different countries and 48 of the fifty states in the United States of America. I'm not one so say the best pussy on earth is to be found in the Dominican Republic. No, far from that. My perspective is written from enjoyment of a lifestyle that I've found appeals to me.
But it does surprise me about how much negativity I read in the different sections of the Dominican Republic forums. Old folks talking about missing the "Golden Age" of the Dominican Republic. Hostility towards those who spend more money than they can or want to. Hostility towards this place on the island or that place on the island. Posts from people who return to the island time and time again only to talk about how much better other places are in the world. Huh?
It really comes down to what you enjoy as an individual. Experiences with young women can be found all over the island. Santo Domingo, Sosua, Boca Chica, Punta Cana, Puerto Plata, Cabarete. Honestly, if you can communicate with a girl here there is a good chance of getting what you want. And you can use any number of different techniques, styles and methods to do it. All that matters is what works for you.
Live long my brother. And when you fuck, go deep and let her know you're in there!
NamasteParis
03-23-17, 21:53
I'm back from 3 weeks in DR: one week in SD, and 2 weeks going around in La Vega for the Carnival, Santiago, Las Terrenas, Sosua and Costambar (BB).
This is my 6th times in DR and can't count trips to Thailand and Phil. With my 2 hands.
What I can say from this trip is (strictly mongering point of view):
* Sosua is the best place to be found on the island regarding diversity, prices, quantity night and day, and GFE experience. Besides, lots of places to eat decently, whether at the beach, or downtown at night. Sosua is a never ending chicas festival, and just like in Pattaya or Patong, nearly ALL the girls you can see there can be had. I was surprised by the quality. All my sessions included BBBJ CIM although not asked for before, and good service for the price paid (except the GFE chica, I paid 1800-2000 for ST, and 3000 for TLN (todo la noche), hich always included late wake up and breakfast together: never had a clock watcher. Many haitians there, dark black, tall and slim, with firm and round muscled ass: my favorite!
* SD and Santiago need homework; I spent the month before my arrival on Cupid and got nearly 30 contacts that 'seemed' to be good to date. On the 30, I met 3. All the 3 were serious (let's say normal) girls, with work and no children. I spent one week with one: purely GFE with no money asking (but princesa treating jajaja). So I believe Cupid was a good investment of time and money. I made a round of 6 casas, and was very desapointed by the quality, compared to Sosua. I didn't even tried on session or take away. The casino Jaragua in SD deserves a visit: besides a very good live band, there are some very nice girls there. I asked: 8000 TLN, without negotiating. Didn't try the service.
* Las Terrenas is just dead, or maybe I missed it all!
* BlackBeard: I stayed only one day over the 2 booked: just not my cup of tea: nothing to do except being with the few chicas, that I didn't like. Maybe because I speak spanish fluently, and I'm 50 in a good shape. I was happy to lose the money for 1 night when I had 2 great session back to Sosua.
I can fly anywhere in the US for free on Southwest. So I figure shoot to south Florida hook up a cheap flight. Guess what for some reason it cost more to fly to the DR from Florida then DC. Go figure.
Ok first time mongering in Caribbean, have been going to Southeast Asia for years. Already in my late 60's, white and love the little spinners riding cowgirl style while I take in the view. Been using ED enhancers for last 10 years and what a god send. So I hear bad and good reports about Sousa but still booked a week (May 24 thru 31st). 1 bedroom at Hotel Plaza Europa (pussy friendly) as it's central to action. Renting a car so no need for Taxi's. So any and all positive comments welcome as to where and what and when for Pussy, food, drink.
TIA.
Hello everyone!
I know this question has been posted before and most answered that it was better to get a cheap hotel and bring chicas from outside. Well I do not speak Spanish and lack social skills, so the idea of lounging around all-inclusive sex resort picking girls for the day appeals much greater to me than navigating seed bar and streets trying to pick up chicas.
If there is any alternative that meets my criteria, but for now, I am considering something like Dr. Nights resort, Blueparadise-dr, club fantasy island and etc. Can you recommend any?
I normally prefer blonde caucasian girls but I think light-skinned Latina girls are hot (call me shallow). Would I be able to find some 8's, even 9's in the selection?
What level of service can I expect? I am hoping for CFS, BBBJ, and greek (optional).
For hire-by-day girls, is it reasonable to expect to fuck 4-6 time a day from morning to night? Would they stay with you and be your company, or is it normal to expect 2-3 sessions and left alone?
I am a shy Asian with zero skill in Spanish. I feel like I'd be a walking target for ripoffs and robbing. What shall I expect as a non-Caucasian / black / Latino?
My budget is $4000, including flight from US. Let me know if you have any suggestion.
Thanks!
NamasteParis
03-30-17, 20:04
My budget is $4000, including flight from US.For how long?
Sosua is a great location IMHO however I like brown women. The DR is a rainbow of women. So you can find something to meet your needs. There are plenty of white Europeans and American guys you can buddy up with and show you the ropes. There tend to be a white guy stroll and black guy Stroll. Everyone gets along but travel in different circles. You do not need a car. Sosua is very small. A car is an inconvenience. You have to find parking and worry no one damages it. You can walk to beaches and clubs no problem. The women will chase your money and make you feel like Brad Pitt. I plan to there the same week. We will bump into each other. Caberetti is nearby town that has a world class beach. I would suggest wifing up a few days if you find a girl you really like. Sport fucking can take the steam out of 60 plus guys and the sex is much better when you get settled with someone.
Ok first time mongering in Caribbean, have been going to Southeast Asia for years. Already in my late 60's, white and love the little spinners riding cowgirl style while I take in the view. Been using ED enhancers for last 10 years and what a god send. So I hear bad and good reports about Sousa but still booked a week (May 24 thru 31st). 1 bedroom at Hotel Plaza Europa (pussy friendly) as it's central to action. Renting a car so no need for Taxi's. So any and all positive comments welcome as to where and what and when for Pussy, food, drink.
TIA.
For how long?I am looking around 4 days and 3 nights. I am OK with packages with 1 24 HR chica per day and just hire additional if I get in mood for a threesome.
So far, I am looking into the following:
http://www.drnights.com
http://www.universalfantasies.com/margarita.htm
https://www.periastron-vacations.com/index.html
http://www.mywildvacations.com/destination/
http://www.sexvacationdr.com/our-resort
https://drmermaids.com/our-packages/
https://www.eroticvacationdr.com/packages
Please let me know if you have any info / opinion on those.
Charles Pooter
03-31-17, 16:45
I know this question has been posted before and most answered that it was better to get a cheap hotel and bring chicas from outside. Well I do not speak Spanish and lack social skills, so the idea of lounging around all-inclusive sex resort picking girls for the day appeals much greater to me than navigating seed bar and streets trying to pick up chicas.
If there is any alternative that meets my criteria, but for now, I am considering something like Dr. Nights resort, Blueparadise-dr, club fantasy island and etc. Can you recommend any?
I normally prefer blonde caucasian girls but I think light-skinned Latina girls are hot (call me shallow). Would I be able to find some 8's, even 9's in the selection?
What level of service can I expect? I am hoping for CFS, BBBJ, and greek (optional).
For hire-by-day girls, is it reasonable to expect to fuck 4-6 time a day from morning to night? Would they stay with you and be your company, or is it normal to expect 2-3 sessions and left alone?
I am a shy Asian with zero skill in Spanish. I feel like I'd be a walking target for ripoffs and robbing. What shall I expect as a non-Caucasian / black / Latino?
My budget is $4000, including flight from US. Let me know if you have any suggestion.
Thanks!I give you credit for realizing your constraints and admitting them. Too many guys try to bullshit their way through.
You are right that there is a strong possibility that a non-Spanish speaking newbie with no social skills could get ripped off on the streets of Sosua. But if you use one of those all-inclusive services, you are exchanging that possibility for a certainty of being ripped off.
If you prefer light-skinned girls, and as you have a large budget, I wonder why you are visiting the DR, rather than (say) Colombia or Central or Eastern Europe.
Assuming you have your own good reasons, I think your best bet is to stay at Blackbeards. There are enough lighter-skinned girls there to last a week or so. And you could supplement them by bringing in girls from Cristal if necessary. One of the drawbacks of Blackbeards is that you need taxis to go anywhere, but on your budget that is not a problem. You could also fuck girls on-site at Field of Dreams. There are several light-skinned girls there. Anal is not as common in the DR as in many other countries like Brazil or Russia, but if you are at Blackbeards you can ask the mamasan who offers it. Money will often gain rear entry admittance. BBBJ is widespread but you need to confirm in advance.
I would also hope that by fucking girls a little darker than your usual preference you will come to widen your tastes.
You will not experience any prejudice because you are Asian. You will be called "Cheeno" regardless of where you are actually from, same as the ignorant bastards call me Americano although I am English, and it does not get more insulting than that. Deal with it!
I do not know how old or fit you are, but I guarantee that by the third day you will be more than sated after three fucks a day. Do not believe all you see in porn films. Beside, there are other things to enjoy here besides fucking. Do not be a prisoner in your resort. Enjoy what the country has to offer.
I would also hope that by fucking girls a little darker than your usual preference you will come to widen your tastes.
.Damn you English man. The man prefers Blonde or light skinned Dominicanas. Here you are trying to convince him to try a darker shade of brown. It's bad enough I got to compete with you caucasians for my chocolate. Now you're trying to bring the Asian in the mix. Just like my Wolfpack trying to make straight girls Dykes.
If you asked me he sounds like a perfect candidate for Colombia. You don't have to really use any social skills in Columbia at least that's what I experience there.
Sosua is a great location IMHO however I like brown women. The DR is a rainbow of women. So you can find something to meet your needs. There are plenty of white Europeans and American guys you can buddy up with and show you the ropes. There tend to be a white guy stroll and black guy Stroll. Everyone gets along but travel in different circles. You do not need a car. Sosua is very small. A car is an incovenience. You have to find parking and worry no one damages it. You can walk to beachs and clubs no problem. The women will chase your money and make you feel like Brad Pitt. I plan to there the same week. We will bump into each other. Caberetti is near by town that has a world class beach. I would suggest wifing up a few days if you find a girl you really like. Sport fucking can take the steam out of 60 plus guys and the sex is much better when you get settled with someone.Thanks for the heads up and I am love my LBFMs of Asia but also don't mind a little bronzed beauty's as long as there spinners. The car is so I can get out to a few places during the daylight. Love documenting my trips with photos. Hope to run into you that week and maybe have a cocktail or two. Don't sport fuck any more once or twice a day is my limit.
NamasteParis
04-01-17, 10:32
Damn you English man. The man prefers Blonde or light skinned Dominicanas. Here you are trying to convince him to try a darker shade of brown. It's bad enough I got to compete with you caucasians for my chocolate. Now you're trying to bring the Asian in the mix.LOOOL.
You really made me laugh!
Cheers Englishman for his reply. Always fun to converse with Brit humor.
I did infact go to FKKs in Germany, and while I liked them alot, I am intrigued by these sex resort for these reasons:
1. All-day inclusive girls with sex-on-demand. No more haggling with Romanian chicks upselling and con me into a lesbo show.
2. Tropical paradise with all-inclusive food and drinks. I get to lounge like a fat royal in a beautiful beach / pool. Europe is nice at summer but I'd like to swim in a tropical beach and have poolside sex.
3. Cost and distance. I can't be gone longer than 4-5 days and everything is expensive in Europe.
Perhaps I am more inclined to whiter chicks because I'm an asian with darker skin than caucasians. May be you like dark meats because you are sick of seeing white skins as well! Some of the sex resorts offer European chicks at a premium.
I've looked into Blackbeard, but I'd prefer something more upscale. But not too upscale. Some of the resort goes for $2000/ day and it's well outside of my consideration.
Feel free to comment on! I'll be a good sport!
Charles Pooter
04-05-17, 13:51
You seem very clear on what you want, Mander, so I will no longer try to persuade you down another path.
I do not think any of the guys here are in a position to advise you as to which of the expensive all-inclusive resorts you list is the best. We had one member who visited a similar place but it is now closed, and I think even he now goes to "better value" resorts.
Best of luck with your vacation.
While I have not experienced it myself, I have heard some good things about Blue Paradise.
Hello everyone!
I know this question has been posted before and most answered that it was better to get a cheap hotel and bring chicas from outside. Well I do not speak Spanish and lack social skills, so the idea of lounging around all-inclusive sex resort picking girls for the day appeals much greater to me than navigating seed bar and streets trying to pick up chicas.
If there is any alternative that meets my criteria, but for now, I am considering something like Dr. Nights resort, Blueparadise-dr, club fantasy island and etc. Can you recommend any?
I normally prefer blonde caucasian girls but I think light-skinned Latina girls are hot (call me shallow). Would I be able to find some 8's, even 9's in the selection?..
You seem very clear on what you want, Mander, so I will no longer try to persuade you down another path.
I do not think any of the guys here are in a position to advise you as to which of the expensive all-inclusive resorts you list is the best. We had one member who visited a similar place but it is now closed, and I think even he now goes to "better value" resorts.
Best of luck with your vacation.Well now, don't give up on me so fast!
So let me hear your suggestion. What would you do if:
1. Want an all-inclusive luxury accommodation.
2. Don't feel confident about picking up girls or going to a seedy brothel.
3. Want to have outdoor / poolside sex and get awaken by BJ in the morning?
4. Have about $3,000 budget?
Charles Pooter
04-13-17, 16:13
Well now, don't give up on me so fast!
So let me hear your suggestion. What would you do if:
1. Want an all-inclusive luxury accommodation.
2. Don't feel confident about picking up girls or going to a seedy brothel.
3. Want to have outdoor / poolside sex and get awaken by BJ in the morning?
4. Have about $3,000 budget?I have nothing new to say on this, which is why I sincerely wished you success in doing your thing (not my thing or anybody else's thing). Your solution may answer all your requirements. I hope it does. It is just that not many here would be prepared to spend $3000 for three nights. Most of us would prefer to make two one-week trips for that amount or, if travelling from afar like I used to do, one three- or four-week trip. But if you have the money but do not have the free time, then that is irrelevant.
Good luck, and please report back.
My son is a musician and will be playing with JLO this weekend in Casa De Campo in La Romana. The tickets range from 1 k to 200 bucks. 3 times the price of her Vegas tickets. Only in the DR would they gauge so hard. The rich DR fat cats do not want to rub shoulders with the common folk. It is kind of sad the place holds 5000 people. I will be curious to see if it sells out.
I'm just returning after a two week visit to Phoenix. There was a lot of discussion about immigration focusing on visa overstays a few weeks back.
I had been here since November and did not have any hassle at the Santiago airport. They were happy to take my money and let me move on. Although I have to admit, this was the longest overstay with family and I had some real expectations of some kind of hassle.
There is a large open-air tubular x-ray machine just as you pass the customs inspector. I did notice that for the first time in years all of our bags, and just about anybody who had more than one bag, was pushed to the side to have their bags run through the tube. I also noticed that the guys who are always hanging around to help take your cart full of bags outside for a propina were quick to put the bags up on the conveyor and then to pull them off. And ask if you needed help out to the taxi stands. A new way for customs to scratch their backs?
And for the first time in three years, we traveled out of the parking lot on the access road to the autopista when we were stopped at a PN checkpoint. Guns drawn and all we opened the trunk of the car, rechecked passports, and just generally in your face. Got the impression here they were looking for something in particular. But then again, we've seen a heavier presence of Policia Nacional in the area. Including town with full armor vests and assault rifles.
What's going on folks? Change in politics?
Mr Enternational
04-15-17, 05:20
So let me hear your suggestion. What would you do if:
1. Want an all-inclusive luxury accommodation.
2. Don't feel confident about picking up girls or going to a seedy brothel.
3. Want to have outdoor / poolside sex and get awaken by BJ in the morning?
4. Have about $3,000 budget?First of all I am 95% sure that an all-inclusive luxury accomodation full of hookers does not exist. The only luxury accomodation that you will be getting is at a resort full of families or whoever you are paying the money to renting a villa for your stay. All-inclusive? Yeah, at the resort. At the villa? The person could pay someone to cook for you as well.
Second of all, where do you think the girls are going to come from? The person that you pay the money to could get them from a seedy brothel as well. No sense in paying them an exorbitant amount for something that you can do yourself.
Third of all, chances of poolside sex are next to none; even if you do get the villa. You would have neighbors. And if a Dominican hooker wakes up before you then it will not be to give you a BJ. It will be to put her clothes on and get the hell out of there.
Fourth of all, this post screams troll. Nobody in their right mind is going to go to DR of all places if they have $3000 to spend for 3 days. Besides, all of your posts have been questions about different places with not 1 report on any of them.
Mr Enternational
04-15-17, 05:42
My son is a musician and will be playing with JLO this weekend in Casa De Campo in La Romana. The tickets range from 1 k to 200 bucks. 3 times the price of her Vegas tickets. Only in the DR would they gauge so hard. The rich DR fat cats do not want to rub shoulders with the common folk. It is kind of sad the place holds 5000 people. I will be curious to see if it sells out.Good deal for your son Old Kool. I saw the billboards up in Puerto Plata and Santiago this past week. Have you seen all the SUVs and luxury cars in the DR? I was surprised to see a Maserati dealership in Santo Domingo yesterday. There are plenty of people with enough money to go to that concert.
A guy that I know is looking to marry a Dominican. He has been to Sosua plenty of times and called himself getting serious with a hooker he knew from there. Last week I had one of my girls in Puerto Plata connect him with one of her friends that works in a salon. Today he hit me up and said, "Good morning bro. What is this girl story? I have been talking to her for a week and she hasn't send sick kids photos or ask for money." I laughed and said "just a regular chick man. Yall are too used to messing with those hookers." He said, "She is different." I said, "No. She is just regular. The hookers are the ones that are different."
When you surround yourself with people from that environment you tend to think everyone is in the same boat as those people. When you surround yourself with people that have an education and normal jobs then you realize more people can afford to go to that concert than you think. It has nothing to do with being rich.
Good deal for your son Old Kool. I saw the billboards up in Puerto Plata and Santiago this past week. Have you seen all the SUVs and luxury cars in the DR? I was surprised to see a Maserati dealership in Santo Domingo yesterday. There are plenty of people with enough money to go to that concert.
A guy that I know is looking to marry a Dominican. He has been to Sosua plenty of times and called himself getting serious with a hooker he knew from there. Last week I had one of my girls in Puerto Plata connect him with one of her friends that works in a salon. Today he hit me up and said, "Good morning bro. What is this girl story? I have been talking to her for a week and she hasn't send sick kids photos or ask for money." I laughed and said "just a regular chick man. Yall are too used to messing with those hookers." He said, "She is different." I said, "No. She is just regular. The hookers are the ones that are different."
When you surround yourself with people from that environment you tend to think everyone is in the same boat as those people. When you surround yourself with people that have an education and normal jobs then you realize more people can afford to go to that concert than you think. It has nothing to do with being rich.You are a better man than me Mr E. A guy who is getting ready to marry a hooker from Sosua and has probably been sending her money is too far gone for me to even think about giving him the hookup. If the girls have been hitting him up within a week of meeting, they see some weakness in him that they can't wait to exploit.
My Higuey girl who I had been bragging about waited six months to ask me to send money, probably pressure from family members to get the gringo boyfriend to help out. She sent me a picture of a girl in a motorcycle accident and she needed blood and donations and could I help her friend. I didn't answer her calls for the next week. Then she said her mother has cancer and I explained I thought she was different because she never asked for money in the beginning and ignored her for another week. Then she sent me a picture of her with a tube in her nose asking for help, and I ignored her again. It goes with the territory bro. BQ said "You have a good one if she doesn't ask for money and lets you do on your own accord", but in my experiences eventually the request is coming. The smooth ones play the long game.
You speak about educated women from the upper class; What would be their incentive to fuck a visiting gringo who won't send money when they have wealthy Dominicans begging for pussy daily? Maybe if that foreign guy lives there and is financially set and wants a relationship but not a weekend warrior. I know two female Dominican lawyers that live in Sosua and both are married to rich Italian hotel owners.
If they have a normal job (usually pays about 200-400 a month) and fucks rich gringos for free with no expectations of a better life and financial gifts, then maybe she has self esteem problems or is just crazy.
I don't think the gringo love is that strong where a normal hard working Dominicana is sitting home alone waiting for her gringo boyfriend to return after not supporting her financially. I think in the Dominican Republic it's normal for a girl to expect a rich gringo to help improve her life, but it's different for for a girl to remain poor and to be giving a rich gringo free pussy.
I don't send money, but I spend big when I'm there and bring gifts, but I understand a guy like your friend can swoop in and marry her and probably offer her a more rewarding life and I'm cool with that. For a girl to live in the DR and not be looking for the come up is even worse than a guy marrying a girl from Sosua in my eyes. Happy Easter bro.
Charles Pooter
04-15-17, 16:45
Nobody in their right mind is going to go to DR of all places if they have $3000 to spend for 3 days. LOL.
I tried to say that more diplomatically. And especially if they only like light-skinned girls.
Way cool, Old Kool. What does he play? Will you be there? I have to admit I like Jennifer Lopez. She is likely the richest Latina on the planet. I remember her when she got her start on In Living Color as one of the Flygirls. Watching reruns of that show still cracks me up. Man, that was some funny shit!
My son is a musician and will be playing with JLO this weekend in Casa De Campo in La Romana. The tickets range from 1 k to 200 bucks. 3 times the price of her Vegas tickets. Only in the DR would they gauge so hard. The rich DR fat cats do not want to rub shoulders with the common folk. It is kind of sad the place holds 5000 people. I will be curious to see if it sells out..
Yes there are people who have money in the DR. However they are the vast minority. The place has poor infrastructure. Bad water and roads. The average working person makes less then 200 dollars a month.
So a month's salary for cheap seats aint happening for the average citizen. The place holds 5000 people. I saw the Vegas show last month it was very good. My son plays bass and really rocks out in the show. I have seen some of the upscale malls in SD and they compare to anything in the states. In Azul mall I was the only brown person including workers in the place.
Good deal for your son Old Kool. I saw the billboards up in Puerto Plata and Santiago this past week. Have you seen all the SUVs and luxury cars in the DR? I was surprised to see a Maserati dealership in Santo Domingo yesterday. There are plenty of people with enough money to go to that concert.
A guy that I know is looking to marry a Dominican. He has been to Sosua plenty of times and called himself getting serious with a hooker he knew from there. Last week I had one of my girls in Puerto Plata connect him with one of her friends that works in a salon. Today he hit me up and said, "Good morning bro. What is this girl story? I have been talking to her for a week and she hasn't send sick kids photos or ask for money." I laughed and said "just a regular chick man. Yall are too used to messing with those hookers." He said, "She is different." I said, "No. She is just regular. The hookers are the ones that are different."
When you surround yourself with people from that environment you tend to think everyone is in the same boat as those people. When you surround yourself with people that have an education and normal jobs then you realize more people can afford to go to that concert than you think. It has nothing to do with being rich.
Tempoecorto
04-16-17, 04:10
You speak about educated women from the upper class; What would be their incentive to fuck a visiting gringo who won't send money when they have wealthy Dominicans begging for pussy daily? Maybe if that foreign guy lives there and is financially set and wants a relationship but not a weekend warrior. I know two female Dominican lawyers that live in Sosua and both are married to rich Italian hotel owners...Yeah, I have met one of those two "attorneys" you refer to, in Sosua!
While I agree with Mr. E that the hooker experiences are different from the "regular" women, my perception of reality is the way you describe it. We don't get to see the upper class and the other classes have no incentive to give out stuff with short shelf life, for free. Personally, free stuff also would make me feel that I am taking advantage of someone, given what I know of the land.
Dominican women who date us gringos know they have one thing to offer. I think this is part of their culture. Women are valued by how compliant they are in bed. I think this why we are so blown away by them. They give you what you want in bed. The non pro DR girls aside from their looks have very little to offer. Like you guys have said we do not interact with upper class women.
Yeah, I have met one of those two "attorneys" you refer to, in Sosua!
While I agree with Mr. E that the hooker experiences are different from the "regular" women, my perception of reality is the way you describe it. We don't get to see the upper class and the other classes have no incentive to give out stuff with short shelf life, for free. Personally, free stuff also would make me feel that I am taking advantage of someone, given what I know of the land.
Mr Enternational
04-16-17, 21:41
Women are valued by how compliant they are in bed. I think this why we are so blown away by them. They give you what you want in bed. The non pro DR girls aside from their looks have very little to offer. Like you guys have said we do not interact with upper class woen.What kind of bullshit is that OK? Valued by how compliant they are in bed? I guess I have a totally different outlook on women than you do. What else in addition to looks would you need a woman to offer?
Many nonpros that I deal with, in addition to offering me their looks, provide me with a place to stay for free, food, companionship and introduce me to many things that I may not have been privy to just staying on Pedro Clisante or El Conde.
Like the time one of my girls took me to Saona Island ($100 value per person) all for free because one of her clients owns the company. She damn near freaked out when I gave the guides a 500 peso tip. I said shit we have been here all morning and afternoon eating and getting drunk for free when it would have cost us $200.
Or the time when one of my girls took me to her aunt's house in the mountains and we went up in the pasture to gather mangoes. When we got back to the house she made me fresh mango/banana daiquiris with the Barcelo Imperial that she bought for me to have to drink when I am at her house.
Or when old girl's mom comes from across town and brings me breakfast in bed after she goes to work. In all the years I have known these people they have not asked shit from me. So yes, I feel that they have more to offer than sex. And no, I do not have guilty feelings that I owe them something. That is how friendships work.
P. S. Most of the guys that might be "blown away by them" do not know other places such as Brazil, Colombia, etc where they would REALLY be blown away. DR is like taking baby steps or being in the pool with those floaties on your arms. You can stay in that baby pool all your life or you can go to other locations that will transform you into Michael Phelps.
Mr Enternational
04-16-17, 22:02
What would be their incentive to fuck a visiting gringo who won't send money when they have wealthy Dominicans begging for pussy daily? Maybe if that foreign guy lives there and is financially set and wants a relationship but not a weekend warrior. I know two female Dominican lawyers that live in Sosua and both are married to rich Italian hotel owners.
I don't think the gringo love is that strong where a normal hard working Dominicana is sitting home alone waiting for her gringo boyfriend to return after not supporting her financially. I think in the Dominican Republic it's normal for a girl to expect a rich gringo to help improve her life, Where are you finding these types of Dominicans? Why do you think that a woman needs an incentive to fuck someone? Everything is not always financial as you are trying to make it. One of my Dominicanas told me that if a chick here ever asks you for money, run.
I do not see this as gringo vs Dominican. I see everyone as normal everyday people no matter how much money they have or do not have and I treat them as such. Maybe because I am there more often than a weekend warrior, women that are about something are more comfortable establishing friendships and relationships with me that are not about money. No idea. All I can do is relay my experiences.
Where are you finding these types of Dominicans? Why do you think that a woman needs an incentive to fuck someone? Everything is not always financial as you are trying to make it. One of my Dominicanas told me that if a chick here ever asks you for money, run.
I do not see this as gringo vs Dominican. I see everyone as normal everyday people no matter how much money they have or do not have and I treat them as such. Maybe because I am there more often than a weekend warrior, women that are about something are more comfortable establishing friendships and relationships with me that are not about money. No idea. All I can do is relay my experiences.Damn! That's a new one for me; Dominicans spending money because they want to be friends with an American. What, they don't have enough Dominican friends and want to have a gringo hangout, drink their liquor and eat their food? Maybe we have been going to a different Dominican Republic.
Dominicans aren't American friendly and could care less that you are American. To them the Dominican culture is everything and other cultures are irrelevant. So what's the lure of having an American friend that doesn't do shit but free load?
Now Asia has cultures that worship and have a connection with American culture. They watch American TV, speak English and know more about what's going in America than we do. But I don't think Dominicans are as hard up for friendship to support a gringo. What you are probably leaving out is that you do in fact help out but they don't ask, maybe the friendship is based on your generosity unprovoked.
Now if some campo family, who shares an outhouse with three other families and only has two sets of clothes, decides to splurge to impress this rich gringo for friendship (I'm laughing as I type this) and the gringo has no guilt about not contributing, maybe that gringos moral compass might be off a little. But what's worse is them inviting you back for more of the same treatment. Somehow though I slightly believe your post because there are desperate people everywhere, too bad they haven't figured out yet that you will milk them for all the free shit you can get. All in the name of friendship LOL.
I do not need DR chicas to feed or give me a place to stay. Normal girls want relationships if they fuck you all over the world. I remember you once stated you pimped women in your past.
I prefer a quid pro quo relationship. I choose not to mislead the ladies in to thinking I want a long term relationships. When you are meeting mom and the family somebody thinks there is more going on in the relationship. I take no pride in a poor women using their meager assets to buy me things or service me. Call me old fashion. The same is true in the US. I do not look for females in my life to financially benefit me. I love a women making an effort to satisfy me sexually and who can enjoy my company. , I am in my early 60's and it takes more work now. Lastly latina women all over seem to be more sexually compliant than Western women. Women all over the world are attracted by the trappings of wealth whether they are rich or poor. The ladies with you pro or non pro are not with you for your good looks trust me. I agree we have very different outlooks on women. I like women pros and non pros and treat them with respect. I try to be clear and honest as possible. There is no magic to hooking up with Dominican regular girls when you are an American. You are perceived to have money which is price of entry. If your intentions are honorable or you are willing to lie it is balls to the wall. The dating site have scores of good girls looking for Mr right. You can meet the whole family and big Tio. My non pros know where I am coming from. I have had relationships for over 6 years with some. The sex is still great and I get excited anticipating being with them. Sex and basic companionship does it for me.
What kind of bullshit is that OK? Valued by how compliant they are in bed? I guess I have a totally different outlook on women than you do. What else in addition to looks would you need a woman to offer?
Many nonpros that I deal with, in addition to offering me their looks, provide me with a place to stay for free, food, companionship and introduce me to many things that I may not have been privy to just staying on Pedro Clisante or El Conde.
Like the time one of my girls took me to Saona Island ($100 value per person) all for free because one of her clients owns the company. She damn near freaked out when I gave the guides a 500 peso tip. I said shit we have been here all morning and afternoon eating and getting drunk for free when it would have cost us $200.
Or the time when one of my girls took me to her aunt's house in the mountains and we went up in the pasture to gather mangoes. When we got back to the house she made me fresh mango/banana daiquiris with the Barcelo Imperial that she bought for me to have to drink when I am at her house.
Or when old girl's mom comes from across town and brings me breakfast in bed after she goes to work. In all the years I have known these people they have not asked shit from me. So yes, I feel that they have more to offer than sex. And no, I do not have guilty feelings that I owe them something. That is how friendships work.
P. S. Most of the guys that might be "blown away by them" do not know other places such as Brazil, Colombia, etc where they would REALLY be blown away. DR is like taking baby steps or being in the pool with those floaties on your arms. You can stay in that baby pool all your life or you can go to other locations that will transform you into Michael Phelps.
Mr Enternational
04-17-17, 01:28
I do not need DR chicas to feed or give me a place to stay. Normal girls want relationships if they fuck you all over the world.
Sex and basic companionship does it for me.I understand where you are coming from Old Kool. You only want sex from women and it works out well for you to exchange the sex you want for the money the chicks that you have sex with want.
The problems that I have is that you assume every woman in DR is poor and need a foreigner for money. You also assume that I have lied or misled the women that I have relationships with. I have done no such thing. But I have sense enough to define the relationship before I enter into it. Most people only assume the other person has the same idea they do of the relationship without first discussing it.
I have no problem telling all women that if I only want sex then it is all too simple to pay someone $20 for that. I am 45 and old enough to be honest with a woman. I tell them not to expect that they will be the only one. Most women claim that they want an honest man. I ask them if you caught me with another woman that you did not know about what would happen. Most say that they would end the relationship. I then say well what if I told you right now up front that you will not be the only one. How would you take that? At first most would say that they would want to be the only one. I explain to them they they really do not want an honest man if a man is honest with them and they want to "punish" him by cutting them off. For that reason it will never be possible to find a man who is going to be honest if he will suffer consequences for doing just that. Eventually most women just end up going along with it because I was honest with them from the beginning.
If you think they are after money then they must have the patience of Job. I have known many of them for many years and have never given them 1 peso and neither have they asked. Yesterday my main girl in Puerto Plata wrote, "you do not want to have a real commitment to me you want to be like this only 7 years ago we know each other and we have never gone beyond this relationship if you knew the desire I have. " So if she wants money, then how much longer do you think she is willing to wait if she has already waited 7 years?
Also when I asked her about hooking my boy up with someone she said, "Sabes k no me gusta recomendar a nadie no todas son como yo. Tu muy bien sabes k muchas chicas solo buscan dinero. Por eso no recomiendo a nadie. " She did not want to hook him up because many women are gold diggers, but to think that all women are that way is pure bullshit. She soon thought of someone worth it to hook my boy up with. She later told me that she thought I was asking for myself and that I would be the one contacting her friend. Sorry, but I don't play those kind of games. Too many women to be trying to hook up with a chick I am already dealing with friend. Now if it was a P4P chick then of course I would not give a shit.
One quick story. I met a chick online exactly one year ago next week when I was in Santo Domingo on my way to my buddy's wedding in Punta Cana. She arrived within one hour of me first telling her hello online. She was visibly nervous and said she had never met anyone from online in person before. (I did swing by Boca Chica and meet up with Grown Man when we were driving to the wedding.)
As soon as we got to the condo in Punta Cana we went into the bedroom and fucked. Later that night we went to dinner at a restaurant in Bayahibe. I kept referring to her to the waiter as my lover. She tried correcting me and said we are just friends. I told her that friends don't eat shrimp. She said well what do they eat? I said whatever they pay for. Needless to say, we have been lovers ever since.
I dropped her back home two days later and showed her mom that she had been in good hands. The other day she said it was no problem for me to stay with her at her mom's house but we would not be able to fuck there. Now I admit that this girl is poor, but she does have a university degree.
Mr Enternational
04-17-17, 01:38
What you are probably leaving out is that you do in fact help out but they don't ask, maybe the friendship is based on your generosity unprovoked.I am not leaving shit out. With so many damn women how could I help out? I don't have money like that. I don't believe in all that calling shit taxi money or money to get something for the kids or sneaking money into a chick's purse shit either. If there is a woman that I am giving any money to then you can be assured that it is a hooker and I am handing her money for services rendered at the present moment.
LOL.
I tried to say that more diplomatically. And especially if they only like light-skinned girls.Well, which is the reason I am inquiring wisdom from this board.
I normally lurk German FKK board and posted some, if you think I'm trolling. I usually budget $3 k-4 k to visit 2-3 FKKs and do 8-10 girls over 3 nights itinerary.
Then I came across postings about all-inclusive sex resorts in DR and the notion of luxury 24 HR sex intrigued me. Some offer resorts and some offer private villas. I figured $3 k would go alot further in DR than Germany.
If these are fakes or scams, I would be grateful for your warning. If they are indeed as advertised, then I may have something to contribute to this board.
To each with own. If you feel confident about mingling with locals and picking out cream of the crops, good for you! I have stated my reason for going on hunting on my own. I do prefer lighter skinned caucasians, but I could find photos of many latinas I find attractive.
I don't have a reason to mislead you, but I only want to discuss and learn from posters here. You indicate blowing $3 k would be a huge waste, but I wouldn't mind if it offers luxury accommodations. Compared to blowing $300 $600 for 1 hour in a hotel here, having 24 hour chicka with all inclusive accommodation is not such a bad deal for me.
Cheers.
Tempoecorto
04-17-17, 17:32
I normally lurk German FKK board and posted some, if you think I'm trolling. I usually budget $3 k-4 k to visit 2-3 FKKs and do 8-10 girls over 3 nights itinerary.So which FKKs did you visit that cost you $3000 for 10 of them? Did you visit any kino?
My suggestion is that you go to GB road in Delhi, India. They have a great collection that would cater to your needs.
C Jack Sparrow
04-17-17, 17:45
I refer to my post #4616 on Colombia General Info.
Quite a surprise.
SavePros321
04-17-17, 23:46
I refer to my post #4616 on Colombia General Info.
Quite a surprise.The price of flights to the DR are a joke these days. Unless you live in Florida.
So which FKKs did you visit that cost you $3000 for 10 of them? Did you visit any kino?
My suggestion is that you go to GB road in Delhi, India. They have a great collection that would cater to your needs.Entry= around 60-70 euros (which is about $70-80 USD) per day * 3 = $240.
Fun= basic CFS is 50 euros, but I often add options like duo, greek, CIM. 3-4 sessions per day goes like 50 + 100 + 150 + 150 = 450 euros (about $500) per day * 3 = $1500.
Lodging, taxi, etc = 100 euro + 40 euro / day * 3 = about 450 euros, or $500.
So. Totals about $2300 total, plus airfare is quite higher in Europe. I've been to FKK Sharks, Oase, and Golden Time (Vienna).
I am considering few all-inclusive offers in DR, but one of them offer $2500 for 2 nights in a private villa with 2 chicas all day. I have my personal reason that I can only go to a limited locations such as Germany or DR during a very limited time window.
I feel that this discussion went out of scope, and I am not contributing much here. Thanks for your advises. I will go back to lurking. Should I decided to follow through with DR, I'll get off my lazy ass and write a report.
DR taxes are very high. I am paying 380 round trip from DC.
The price of flights to the DR are a joke these days. Unless you live in Florida.
DR taxes are very high. I am paying 380 round trip from DC.Stop posting false information and back up your posts with specific information or you will lose any credibility you have left on this board. I'm from D. D. And the cheapest flight is 470 usd and I had to go to August to get that fare. June and July are 550 and up. You keep posting crazy stuff but don't seem to back it up. Tell me where I can get a flight from D. C. To SDQ for 380 usd and I will stand corrected.
Tempoecorto
04-18-17, 21:38
Entry= around 60-70 euros (which is about $70-80 USD) per day * 3 = $240.
Fun= basic CFS is 50 euros, but I often add options like duo, greek, CIM. 3-4 sessions per day goes like 50 + 100 + 150 + 150 = 450 euros (about $500) per day * 3 = $1500. Lodging, taxi, etc = 100 euro + 40 euro / day * 3 = about 450 euros, or $500.
So. Totals about $2300 total, plus airfare is quite higher in Europe. I've been to FKK Sharks, Oase, and Golden Time (Vienna).I like FKKs and been to the Frankfurt area ones, OASE (or Oasis.) multiple times. I was under the impression that you paid 3000 dollars for 10 girls, reason why I asked you. I would not know about Greek etc as I am not into that but for three regular sessions, never paid more than 150-180 euros or so. Been also around Koln / Düsseldorf area fkks. Like the environment, safety and I speak some of the local languages but in any case, these days, other than Russian or East Europeans, you do not get to see much else.
As Mr. E / Charles Pooter stated, the stuff of your fantasy around the poole may not be feasible. People on this forum typically discourage such places as the guests often get fleeced moneywise but receive the same merchandise that others paying much less get but it is your call. I have had women in water, but it may not be something that is openly do-able. I do not know what luxury the luxury resorts provide but having spent many nights at various Four Seasons around the globe, I wonder about that in the DR. Finally, if you are into white women, you should not come to the DR and if you do, do not expect to pay any less than the European prices as the women are flown in from elsewhere.
Should you have other questions, send me a private mail (PM) and know that in order to ask questions, you have to spend time writing about your experiences as well. It is a give and take. BTW, I am of Indian origin.
Tell me where I can get a flight from D. C. To SDQ for 380 usd and I will stand corrected. This is a little unfair. I do not know how to get a fare from Washington to SDQ for $380, but I do know how to get one from Orlando to SDQ in June for a smidgen under $300, and that is by flying Aeromexico to Mexico City and then connecting on to SDQ. This fare includes the $145 Dominican taxes, so is probably about as cheap as you can get.
There may be some fares using Aeromexico or possibly Avianca, both of which fly to SDQ, from the Washington area. However I do agree that it would be helpful if OK stated what is the basis for his fare, how it was purchased, out of which airport, and so on, as this would be more helpful to others than just stating he paid $380.
Actually, I would also like to know more about the cheap fares from Florida too, as the one I have mentioned is the cheapest I know of, but requires an overnight flight on the outward leg, and in next place is Spirit airlines from Fort Lauderdale, which is no great bargain considering that they will charge you for a $28 for a carry-on bag and $21 for both coming and going and the baggage is free including a checked bag on Aeromexico, so that could be an extra $100 with Spirit over 2 legs of the journey. You can also take Spirit to Santiago (STI) for a hair less, but arriving at 3:00 am is pretty inconvenient and can involve extra expenses too.
I suppose that both of these fares are similar, but a lot depends on exactly how far you are from each airport, what the parking charges are, and so on. Adding a 6 hours drive each way to and from FLL will increase your costs in gasoline and food. Having two persons traveling together may change the balance of driving and parking charges.
All the flights to SDQ out of Miami are damn expensive, and while you can fly to SDQ from Florida via New York or Newark, it is no great deal either, although I have done it when it was the best fare available or a better time of arrival. You can fly from Tampa to San Juan, Puerto Rico, but the flights from there to the DR are also pretty expensive considering it is a short hop. Any flight that takes you first to the AA Miami hub and then to SDQ is more expensive than the flight from Miami.
Guys,
I recommend the hotel / flight packages on expedia. I fly the redeye all the way from Sacramento to NYC, Newark or Atlanta and then down to SDQ or STI on Delta, United or Jet Blue for around $750 or $850 depending on number of nights at a 3 star (usually 4 to six nights). With minimum layover (about 12 hours flying). It's bound to be cheaper from your locations.
Cheers.
All the flights to SDQ out of Miami are damn expensive, and while you can fly to SDQ from Florida via New York or Newark, it is no great deal either, a..
The price I paid includes $42 for my checked bags. You may now stand and be corrected. You will note the flight times are excellent Arriving at 230 pm leaving plenty of time to enjoy the day and departing at around 4 pm. This gives me the option to bus back to SD the on early bus same day I leave if I choose to. Another great option is splitting your airlines. Delta has flights to POP one way from DC leaving at 6 am for about $230 and get in before 3 pm. The return flight on Delta is 400 plus and takes 25 hours to get you back. I split my airlines. I catch Metro Bus back to SD and take Spirit return flight for $240 that leaves at 4 and gets in at 11:30. Depending on what I have waiting in SD I someimes go back to SD the night before my flight. Lastly nothing I have ever posted is exagerated or untrue. I go to the DR 4 times a year because I maximize my time by getting the best deals for everything. I usually catch the publico from SD airport for 100 pesos. Just an example of small things that save money and can be fun. I enjoy the 4 hour ride to Sosua on Metro bus. You leave at 8 am and you are on the beach by 130 pm. At the end of the day I really enjoy my time in SD and Sosua. I have about 10 non pros who will drop everything and come to SD to hang out with me. If my realities sounds hard to believe I understand. I have a strong drive to maximize my opurtunities and this is how I roll.
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Stop posting false information and back up your posts with specific information or you will lose any credibility you have left on this board. I'm from D. D. And the cheapest flight is 470 usd and I had to go to August to get that fare. June and July are 550 and up. You keep posting crazy stuff but don't seem to back it up. Tell me where I can get a flight from D. C. To SDQ for 380 usd and I will stand corrected.
Thanks for the details, it explains a lot. Personally I would just pay the 200 use extra and just fly into POP comfortably. You fly Spirit, the most undependable airlines there is. They are always late if they show up at all. Not even going to talk about the way they treat you with baggage and if you ever have to call customer service they will put you through the main menu for ten minutes before you can speak to a live agent.
The bus you talk about for 100 pesos to SD is not as nice as you make it out to be, you have to transfer at the depot to another bus. You might get a bus with air conditioning and you might not. You might get some grimy workers or bad kids, all of this while totting around luggage. Not to mention the spectacle of a gringo standing around a dirty bus depot with luggage and probably a pocket full of cash. Personally I would pay the 30 usd for a clean air conditioned ride in a private taxi to make sure I make it to SD with all my items.
Your travel dates are to leave on a Tuesday and return on a Saturday. Those are the most undesirable travel days of the week so naturally they would be cheaper. Most mongers would never travel on these days even to save a few dollars. Then you have to spend 290 pesos and 4 hours traveling across country, truly an adventure that I have done 20 times but I would have just paid the 200 and went straight into POP.
Frannie:
Thanks for the detailed info. When I'm in Florida I pay 500 usd to fly direct from Orlando to SDQ. Its the Brazilian 190 airplane that Jetblue uses. No middle seats, two rows with two seats on each side, TV headrest, seats 80 people, basically its your own private jet. I arrive fresh and relaxed, no problems. Its worth the 120 use more to do this verses the adventure Old Kool gas to go through to save a few dollars. That flight you posted about goes West then comes back East basically doubling back. I would pay extra to avoid that.
I guess it all depends on ones perspective; I'm the kind of traveler that doesn't mind paying extra for comfort, reliability and quickness. Whereas others want to take chances, go out of their way, make transfers while waiting in crowded airports, all to smile and say they saved 100 bucks.
I cannot find this flight. Are you sure it is on Delta?
Delta has flights to POP one way from DC leaving at 6 am for about $230 and get in before 3 pm. The return flight on Delta is 400 plus and takes 25 hours to get you back.
Go to there sight trust me it is there.
I cannot find this flight. Are you sure it is on Delta?
The following is a comprehensive list of the advantages of flying on Spirit Air:
Your comments seem to be what you have heard not what you have done. While spirit will no give you a soda they get you there on time in my experience. I fly them about 8 time a year. No better or worse then the other airlines I use. . The flight times are excellent on Spirit. I took the time to learn their rules and procedures so I have no issues. 200 dollars is 4 sessions with the ladies. Obviously you have never caught the publico from the airport. It is nice toyota mini bus with normal Dominicans who I chat with while riding. It does not drop at a depot but on a street where several cabs are waiting to assist you. The days I chose are my days off. To each his own. I am sharing my methods that work for me. I spend my money wisely I can do more excursions. Getting to the destination is not a big deal to me. I see flying like riding a bus it is transpotation.
Eszpresszo
04-20-17, 04:03
I have only flown with Spirit round-trip on one occasion, and that involved a total of four flights from DFW to MDE. Here is what I like about Spirit:
Value: I paid $218 round trip this time last year. Now it would cost me about $200 more on Spirit, but. Other airlines would charge at least $100 and worse still. That brings us to:
Flight Times: As Old Kool pointed out, the flight times are excellent. I could pay more to fly other airlines to many destinations in LA, but I would usually be sitting around with a long layover in ATL, MEX or some place not really close to my destination or my home. Flying "comfort class" on Delta doesn't compensate for a long layover on your flight back home.
Baggage: I am certainly in the minority here, but I actually like the fact that Spirit restricts free carry-on to a small size. Why? Because too many people are bringing excess baggage on as carry on, leaving the rest of us with no room in overhead bins. This happened to me twice on the past two intercontinental flights I flew on resulting in delayed boarding and departure or extreme comfort on my part because had to lay my carry on at my feet, leaving me no leg room on an 18 hour flight.
Cons:
Connections at Ft. Lauderdale Airport. If you think Spirit charges too much for a beer, don't even think about the concessions at FTL. Its robbery plain and simple. $9 for a can of beer to take out? I recommend carrying those small bottles of liquor you get from the liquor store for a buck and serve yourself. Also, the TSA checkpoint is the worst meat grinder yet. I heard one guy holler out as he exited security screening: "I feel like I've just been raped!
I flew round round trip ATL to Baltimore $48 direct flight. Baltimore t las Vegas direct flight round trip $160 case closed. Spirit has rules that are different but once you learn them you have no problems. Their flight times are excellent they get you where want t go early enough so you can enjoy your day. Spirit is not the airline for the lazy or slow traveler.
The following is a comprehensive list of the advantages of flying on Spirit Air:
I flew round round trip ATL to Baltimore $48 direct flight. Baltimore t las Vegas direct flight round trip $160 case closed. Spirit has rules that are different but once you learn them you have no problems. Their flight times are excellent they get you where want t go early enough so you can enjoy your day. Spirit is not the airline for the lazy or slow traveler.I bought their official weird sized carry on and it did not even survive one flight. Completely fell apart. I guess now they have changed to a different weird size, presumably smaller? Most uncomfortable seats I have ever found on a plane. Rudest employees I have ever found on an airline, or at least the rudest ones I can remember. I hated the whole experience so much I threw the return ticket away and flew back on an actual airline.
Maybe if I lived in Florida I would feel differently, and I wasn't flying to the DR but rather to Panamá, so others' experiences may have been superior to my own. If I am ever so broke I have to fly on that airline, I will just stay home. Or, I would if I had a home.
Not to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on anyone's cornflakes, but I got a one way ticket from IAD to POP via JFK on JetBlue, departing 6:45 a, arriving 1:12 p for $238.00! My return is on Copa, SDQ to IAD via PTY for $321. I live by splitting the ticket, makes it easier to stomach the expensive flights. I got a one way to Bogota on Spirit for $155, but a RT was in the 600's on all airlines at the time. I don't mind bargain shopping if I know I'm going to save cash for a higher purpose!
I split airlines all the time. You can get better pricing and arrival times.
Not to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on anyone's cornflakes, but I got a one way ticket from IAD to POP via JFK on JetBlue, departing 6:45 a, arriving 1:12 p for $238.00! My return is on Copa, SDQ to IAD via PTY for $321. I live by splitting the ticket, makes it easier to stomach the expensive flights. I got a one way to Bogota on Spirit for $155, but a RT was in the 600's on all airlines at the time. I don't mind bargain shopping if I know I'm going to save cash for a higher purpose!
Guys who have followed my posts know a banged a pair of sisters. Well I am still talking to both. I was planning on hooking up with both of them in a month but they want to come the same day. The oldest sister is amazing in bed and swallows. The younger is cuter but not as motivated in bed as the older sister. I am starting my vacation in SD. I keep getting requests to hookup from girls in my rotation. The only problem I have is Sosua is way more fun then SD during the week. I have to make a decision on doing Sosua. I love the food and followsship as well as the chicas. The sex with chicas on my rosters is top notch. While Sosua chicas is a crap shoot.
Hello ISG!
I would like to get your thoughts on bringing chica to an excursion. I would like to do either catamaran cruise or excursion to Cayo Arena from Puerto Plata, but I don't like the idea of going by myself. What is your thought on bringing a chica from a totally different ethnic and age group there? (It would be quite obvious we aren't married or in a relationship).
Is it:
1) keep your girl in the room and don't ruin other people's vacation!
2) who cares as long as you act decent with moderate PDA?
3) everyone in the boat will be like you and bring their own chicas!
Let me know. I don't expect public sex or orgy, but some kissing and hugging.
Nobody on the excursion knows you so why do you care what they think. I wife up and take chicas to movies. Casinos and many other places. It is great to have someone to share the experience with. If the girl is really hot the other guys you see will be in envious.
Hello ISG!
I would like to get your thoughts on bringing chica to an excursion. I would like to do either catamaran cruise or excursion to Cayo Arena from Puerto Plata, but I don't like the idea of going by myself. What is your thought on bringing a chica from a totally different ethnic and age group there? (It would be quite obvious we aren't married or in a relationship).
Is it:
1) keep your girl in the room and don't ruin other people's vacation!
2) who cares as long as you act decent with moderate PDA?
3) everyone in the boat will be like you and bring their own chicas!
Let me know. I don't expect public sex or orgy, but some kissing and hugging.
LoveItHere69
04-25-17, 23:03
Just tell your girl where you want to go, what you want to do there, and what you expect or hope from her in public and get her thoughts about. Ask her what her limit are or what would cause her to feel uncomfortable. Bet she is cool with most everything even slight PDA. Chances are that if your are having a good time and seeing the sights there will very little PDA anyways. Basically caught-up in the moment. Hard to say what will happen because if you are surrounded by families then everything gets toned down but if the cruise has a lot of younger couples showing PDA and such, then the expectations change accordingly. Just make sure to choose an outgoing girl versus the shy type in public.
Hello ISG!
I would like to get your thoughts on bringing chica to an excursion. I would like to do either catamaran cruise or excursion to Cayo Arena from Puerto Plata, but I don't like the idea of going by myself. What is your thought on bringing a chica from a totally different ethnic and age group there? (It would be quite obvious we aren't married or in a relationship).
Is it:
1) keep your girl in the room and don't ruin other people's vacation!
2) who cares as long as you act decent with moderate PDA?
3) everyone in the boat will be like you and bring their own chicas!
Let me know. I don't expect public sex or orgy, but some kissing and hugging.In the DR and most Latin countries it's not unusual. So the vast majority of guys wouldn't care. Some women may be curious but will soon move on to other things. It's not like in the US or Europe.
However, you may still feel self conscious and that's the part, if you allow it, will impact you the most. Remember, when you are in Rome, you can certainly do what the Romans do.
In other words, if you are like most in North America, with the Looking Glass (or Mirror) Syndrome which is: " I am what you think I think I am " then it's all in your head. But you can override that with rationalizing in your head using the local social context, culture and history.
Hello ISG!
I would like to get your thoughts on bringing chica to an excursion. I would like to do either catamaran cruise or excursion to Cayo Arena from Puerto Plata, but I don't like the idea of going by myself. What is your thought on bringing a chica from a totally different ethnic and age group there? (It would be quite obvious we aren't married or in a relationship).
Is it:
1) keep your girl in the room and don't ruin other people's vacation!
2) who cares as long as you act decent with moderate PDA?
3) everyone in the boat will be like you and bring their own chicas!
Let me know. I don't expect public sex or orgy, but some kissing and hugging.I've been watching this post for a few days so let me chime in. I've spent many a day sitting on the beach watching these excursions. Mostly foreigners and usually groups. Euro chicas in a group looking for a nice boat ride where they can show off their new bikinis, or guys just getting away from the girls to drink beer and fish and talk shit. Very few couples unless its something light. With that said going alone might open you up to more opportunities like a group of girls befriending the single guy or the guys hanging out. Remember, Dominican girls can't swim, I sit on the beach all day watching them and they barely go in water waist deep. Give them a pool and they stay in the shallow end. Everybody watches the single guy to try and figure him out.
Bringing a chick might make problems if she is not cool.
I'm trying to figure out why, if you're in the DR where the girls give you all the affection you need for almost nothing, would you take one on an excursion involving deep water? Go solo. I see all the time guys coupled up with euro girls and all those fine Dominican girls running around looking you up and down. Stay solo and have fun and let the opportunity open up to you. As they say, don't take sand to the beach bro. You never know, maybe the female excursion instructor might decide to take the solo tourist on a personal tour to enhance your vacation. This is how it happens in the DR when you roll solo.
Mr Enternational
04-27-17, 06:49
http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhZ8Js9w2t2SUir77p Watch out for big money.
Remember, Dominican girls can't swim, I sit on the beach all day watching them and they barely go in water waist deep. Give them a pool and they stay in the shallow end. Actually that is not really true. I have been swimming with Dominican chicas in the rivers in the interior of the island and a lot of them can swim very well. In the campo spending time in swimming holes in the cooling rivers is a favorite way for teens and children to pass hot summer days. You have to learn to swim, because the river beds are so rocky and slippery, that it is dangerous to stand and wade. I also remember seeing chicas at Blackbeards many years ago diving headfirst into the pool with long dreadlocks flying, chicas swimming in the big pool at Puerto Plata Beach club, and many Dominicans of all ages swimming in the pools at the various apartment complexes I used to live at in Sosua. I have also known several Haitian chicas who can swim. They usually say they learned in rivers.
However, I am sure that you are right about many chicas, especially pros, not wanting to get their hair wet.
Actually that is not really true. I have been swimming with Dominican chicas in the rivers in the interior of the island and a lot of them can swim very well. In the campo spending time in swimming holes in the cooling rivers is a favorite way for teens and children to pass hot summer days. You have to learn to swim, because the river beds are so rocky and slippery, that it is dangerous to stand and wade. I also remember seeing chicas at Blackbeards many years ago diving headfirst into the pool with long dreadlocks flying, chicas swimming in the big pool at Puerto Plata Beach club, and many Dominicans of all ages swimming in the pools at the various apartment complexes I used to live at in Sosua. I have also known several Haitian chicas who can swim. They usually say they learned in rivers.
However, I am sure that you are right about many chicas, especially pros, not wanting to get their hair wet.You are probably right that they don't want to get their hair wet. Maybe I got to take a trip to the campo and go river swimming. Are these rivers clean? And where are they located? Sounds like fun as long as it's healthy. Are there undercurrents? And what other problems should we be looking for before jumping in.
My family had a boat and beach house in Eagle Harbour Maryland that we would spend time visiting. But my best swimming memories were going to the recreation center in Tacoma park and swimming all morning during the summer. The deep end was 15 feet and the challenge was to dive in and retrieve a quarter. Also my Navy years were good, so I love anything that has to do with swimming and the ocean.
Thanks.
You are probably right that they don't want to get their hair wet. Maybe I got to take a trip to the campo and go river swimming. Are these rivers clean? And where are they located? Sounds like fun as long as it's healthy. Are there undercurrents? And what other problems should we be looking for before jumping in.
My family had a boat and beach house in Eagle Harbour Maryland that we would spend time visiting. But my best swimming memories were going to the recreation center in Tacoma park and swimming all morning during the summer. The deep end was 15 feet and the challenge was to dive in and retrieve a quarter. Also my Navy years were good, so I love anything that has to do with swimming and the ocean.
Thanks.In 2008 I was in this place http://www.macorisserie23.com/guia-turistica/ecoturismo/la-fuente-de-oro.html with some motoconchos and a girl working at the bar in Hotel Plaza Real in Juan Dolio. I don't know if there is a road nowadays to the place, but we went there with motos and had to walk the last half mile.
The water is cool, clean and crystal clear, because it comes from under water fountains and it is connected to the river by a narrow stream. Had a great day with wonderful people in this piece of paradise (the girl didn't swim).
I agree with you. It's usually better to consider the girl's wishes, within reason of course (Western Union and insane expenditures are off limits for me at least). If a GFE experience is the goal, that is one of the best ways to get to it. It's also emotionally healthy.
Just tell your girl where you want to go, what you want to do there, and what you expect or hope from her in public and get her thoughts about. Ask her what her limit are or what would cause her to feel uncomfortable. Bet she is cool with most everything even slight PDA. Chances are that if your are having a good time and seeing the sights there will very little PDA anyways. Basically caught-up in the moment. Hard to say what will happen because if you are surrounded by families then everything gets toned down but if the cruise has a lot of younger couples showing PDA and such, then the expectations change accordingly. Just make sure to choose an outgoing girl versus the shy type in public.
In 2008 I was in this place http://www.macorisserie23.com/guia-turistica/ecoturismo/la-fuente-de-oro.html with some motoconchos and a girl working at the bar in Hotel Plaza Real in Juan Dolio. I don't know if there is a road nowadays to the place, but we went there with motos and had to walk the last half mile.
The water is cool, clean and crystal clear, because it comes from under water fountains and it is connected to the river by a narrow stream. Had a great day with wonderful people in this piece of paradise (the girl didn't swim).Thanks much bro, on my list to do this summer.
You are dealing with women who do not have hot water in their homes. When you take them to your world this is the vivo rico. They love what is being provided because they could never afford it. Trust me anything you want to do they we love it. You are not dealing with spoil american women. The Golden rule you got the gold so you rule.
I agree with you. It's usually better to consider the girl's wishes, within reason of course (Western Union and insane expenditures are off limits for me at least). If a GFE experience is the goal, that is one of the best ways to get to it. It's also emotionally healthy.
Tempoecorto
04-30-17, 21:07
You are dealing with women who do not have hot water in their homes. I have had several women, who would much rather shower in cold water, while I shuddered at the very thought. So much for the magic (or elitism) of hot water, LOL!
You are dealing with women who do not have hot water in their homes. When you take them to your world this is the vivo rico. They love what is being provided because they could never afford it. Trust me anything you want to do they we love it. You are not dealing with spoil american women. The Golden rule you got the gold so you rule.A few things to note. I have no dispute over whether or not any women you speak of or in general, love what is being provided to them by a man. But I will say this. Just because women may love certain provisions, that doesn't automatically mean they APPRECIATE what has been provided or the INDIVIDUAL that provided it. and in fact, in enough instances women dont appreciate what they have not earned or worked for. And see enough of men as suckers, without letting on that they see the man that way.
Enough of these women we deal with under certain circumstances, are basically takers. Live in receive mode (non reciprocal). It's usually us men that see these women through our own rose colored glasses in regards to what we have provided, and our assumed belief in their reaction to it. Sure a woman can enjoy and love the bennies she is exposed to while dealing with a guy. They can take all a man feels inclined to offer. But when all is said and done, none of what may have been bestowed to them was necessarily appreciated or garner any favor or respect towards the provider.
What many men find themselves doing is thinking they rule because they have the gold. When what might be more accurate, is many of these women are allowed to indirectly rule the ones "ruling" with the gold.
Eszpresszo
05-02-17, 16:05
Well, which is the reason I am inquiring wisdom from this board.
I normally lurk German FKK board and posted some, if you think I'm trolling. I usually budget $3 k-4 k to visit 2-3 FKKs and do 8-10 girls over 3 nights itinerary.
Cheers.LOL. Twice of what I spent on my entire 9 day vacation in Thailand (airfare included) for the same amount of girls, plus a beach and ancient ruins and the best food in the world for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I spent 9 days in Berlin in late 2015, and it was also about the same price, though half as many girls.
Don't get me wrong. I love Germany. I used to live there briefly and I know the country well: well enough to know that except for Artemis in Berlin, these clubs are located in places of no interest to anyone, including the locals. Usually an offbeat section of town, in a largely industrial NRW. And Berlin is too full of traditional brothels (more than 60, I have read) and cheap freelancers to blow money in an overpriced FKK. I rented a room in Berlin where there was a day brothel just three doors down, and an evening brothel 3 blocks over. Same East European girls as in the FKKs, but no cover, just some overpriced beer.
But, I always concluded that the FKK scene is for the more challenged mongers, who have to have it lined up before them in their comfort zone. Its that convenience that you pay for, but the rest of us will never need. It seems for some that FKKs are the only way to monger, but for me it would be the worst and most inconvenient way to monger in Germany.
Tempoecorto
05-03-17, 03:20
I always concluded that the FKK scene is for the more challenged mongers, who have to have it lined up before them in their comfort zone. Its that convenience that you pay for, but the rest of us will never need. It seems for some that FKKs are the only way to monger, but for me it would be the worst and most inconvenient way to monger in Germany.I disagree. I used to visit the Koln / Dusseldorf area for trade shows a couple of times a year, over a five year period and given the shortage of time, always found the FKKs to be convenient and safe. If one is there living, I would not know what the options would be (you certainly cannot pick up women on the road like in the DR) but for a business traveler with time as a constraint, FKKs are a good choice. By the way, nothing like a freshly made reibekuchen with a kolsch as you hang out.
I split airlines all the time. You can get better pricing and arrival times.Spirit airlines canceled 9 flights at FLL yesterday that started fights in the terminal with patrons and agents. During the last week Spirit has canceled 300 flights. Keep trying to save a buck and be cheap and you might wind up stranded. I work to hard and value my vacation time to rely on an unreliable airlines.
Mr Enternational
05-09-17, 17:43
Spirit airlines canceled 9 flights at FLL yesterday that started fights in the terminal with patrons and agents. During the last week Spirit has canceled 300 flights. Keep trying to save a buck and be cheap and you might wind up stranded. I work to hard and value my vacation time to rely on an unreliable airlines.http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-called-restore-order-fights-erupt-spirit-airlines/story?id=47290654
Plus the big fight!
The pilots had a job action shit happens. United beat up and dragged a Dr off a plane. Delta made a family give up their babies seat. In 2 weeks I am flying Spirit air to SD like I have 5 other times with no issues. My round trip is $360 and gets me to SD at 2 pm. My return flight leaves at 4 and I am home at 11 pm. With that excellent pricing I can make 4 trips a year.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-called-restore-order-fights-erupt-spirit-airlines/story?id=47290654
Plus the big fight!
Thanks for the post gentlemen. I'm never flying Spirit. I'll stick with Jetblue no matter what the price.
I met with a chica on line who is moving up the to do list. She sent me a video of her in her bra and panties. You talk about hot. The girl is hotter then July. I wish I could post but that is no longer a good idea. I am pumped to see her. She made the cut.
I met with a chica on line who is moving up the to do list. She sent me a video of her in her bra and panties. You talk about hot. The girl is hotter then July. I wish I could post but that is no longer a good idea. I am pumped to see her. She made the cut.
The pilots had a job action shit happens. United beat up and dragged a Dr off a plane. Delta made a family give up their babies seat. In 2 weeks I am flying Spirit air to SD like I have 5 other times with no issues. My round trip is $360 and gets me to SD at 2 pm. My return flight leaves at 4 and I am home at 11 pm. With that excellent pricing I can make 4 trips a year.Couldn't agree more. By the same logic, one shouldn't fly Lufthansa (and one shouldn't, but that's another story). I won't fly Spirit without an upgrade because of their atrocious seat, but a pilot strike or whatever. What are you going to do?
Couldn't agree more. By the same logic, one shouldn't fly Lufthansa (and one shouldn't, but that's another story). I won't fly Spirit without an upgrade because of their atrocious seat, but a pilot strike or whatever. What are you going to do?Xparten,
What's up with Lufthansa? I was going to use them when I ever get the money to fly to Germany.
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Xparten,
What's up with Lufthansa? I was going to use them when I ever get the money to fly to Germany.They're on strike all the time. The only airline I've managed to catch during 2 different strikes on 2 separate flights within a 3-month period. Other than that, the service is hit and miss. For me, mostly miss, hence the attitude. They canceled the flight once without ever notifying me. You expect more from them because they're not a US airline, but if you don't, you'll be fine.
I had a conversation the other day. It was with someone with extensive experience visiting the Dominican Republic over a long period of time who has extensive contacts throughout the island with guys who both visit and live here. The question proposed to me was:
"What are the benefits of having a girlfriend when you live in the DR other than bareback pussy?"
Looking to book an all-inclusive for 3 days with my RD novia, prices were all over the map for Coral Costa Caribe in Juan Dolio, for June 01 for 3 nites rate per night varied from $90 usd to $267 usd, checking with or 8 online sites, highest was booking.com and expedia, the hotel; s own site was $115 usd. I booked for $108 night with a swiss agency, Amoma.
Looking to book an all-inclusive for 3 days with my RD novia, prices were all over the map for Coral Costa Caribe in Juan Dolio, for June 01 for 3 nites rate per night varied from $90 usd to $267 usd, checking with or 8 online sites, highest was booking.com and expedia, the hotel; s own site was $115 usd. I booked for $108 night with a swiss agency, Amoma.Unfortunately, I am not familiar with that area, but I have found very good bookings through hotelsdotcom. An added benefit with them is that after accumulating 7 nights' stays, you get one night free.
So I got two of my girlfriends from Santo Domingo. I am going down to spend time with. Looking at doing all inclusive but wonder if I can get away with bringing one girl for a few days then another for a few days.
BoricuaOnline
05-23-17, 02:42
So I got two of my girlfriends from Santo Domingo. I am going down to spend time with. Looking at doing all inclusive but wonder if I can get away with bringing one girl for a few days then another for a few days.You can do it, be sure to check out the first girl at lobby counter. If you are pretty sure that girls are going with you I think it is better to book a double room in advance.
I took time to plan my trip. Because I am seeing old amigas I am bringing gifts. I spent 50 dollars on perfume and cosmetics. Enough for 4 ladies. I also spent 20 bucks for a pair of tennis shoes. Got stoke the GFE. I also bought 2 vibrators lube and condoms. The prep was fun. I plan to pickup some Henni and tequila at the duty free. I have great line up ready and willing. I even have backup girls. A necessary in the DR.
I took time to plan my trip. Because I am seeing old amigas I am bringing gifts. I spent 50 dollars on perfume and cosmetics. Enough for 4 ladies. I also spent 20 bucks for a pair of tennis shoes. Got stoke the GFE. I also bought 2 vibrators lube and condoms. The prep was fun. I plan to pickup some Henni and tequila at the duty free. I have great line up ready and willing. I even have backup girls. A necessary in the DR.Sounds like you are going to have a great time enjoying the company of some fine ass women.
Gifts? Ambiance? Plans for quality time with your girls? Say it isn't so!
Mr. OldKool, how do you expect to stay a member in good standing with the FDB crowd that regularly posts up in the various DR forums? Enquiring minds want to know!
Had to alter my plans a bit due to the action in Sosua. I had a couple of chicas in SD on call but opted to stay in Sosua where I was having a very good time with a hot chica who was rocking my world. Sosua is so much fun when you know your way around. I expanded my bucket list of things to do in Sosua. As soon as I got home I started planning my next trip.
Sounds like you are going to have a great time enjoying the company of some fine ass women.
Gifts? Ambiance? Plans for quality time with your girls? Say it isn't so!
Mr. OldKool, how do you expect to stay a member in good standing with the FDB crowd that regularly posts up in the various DR forums? Enquiring minds want to know!
Charles Pooter
05-30-17, 21:15
... the FDB crowd ... FDB?
Fuck Da Brits?
Yeah, I have come across a lot of those.
Camaro1257
06-01-17, 11:16
Ahorita es no solo una palabra es un estado de mente.
I realize this is old news to many but regardless I'd like to share my experience as an anecdote. Since living in the Dominican Republic I have learned that some Dominicans and I repeat some Dominicans do not have the same accountability for time as I do. I served in the United States military and was a law enforcement professional my entire adult life therefore I always had to be accountable for my time. Where I came from if you are not on time you were AWOL (Absent without leave) and there were consequences.
Fast forward I have retired and now live in a country where many people DGAF about time. I have given special note to a pattern. Many of the women that I have met between 18 and 25 have not completed basic education (high school or here it is called Bachiller) this means they are under-educated and cannot find decent work which would incline them to be accountable with their time.
Since living in Puerto Plata many of the chics that I deal with can be considered semi or non pros which means since some I repeat some are under educated and lack professional work experience therefore they are often late and regretfully I have been stood up more times than I can count. If a chic is a pro she still might be late but has more of a sense of getting her money, which requires more time accountability; but if a chic is semi or non pro she may want a "regalo" or "ayuda" but she is less likely to be accountable for her time.
There are 3 words I have had to learn:
1. Ahora which means now.
2. Ahora mismo which means right now or immediately.
3. Ahorita which means soon however there is no specific time attached to the meaning of the word. Another idea that captures the meaning is cuando quiera or "whenever. ".
My point is the attitude of many of the chics I have encountered is "ahorita. " It used to offend me but now I understand that when chics are being late they are not deliberately being disrespectful they are doing what comes natural and acting out of there cultural value of time "ahorita. " I took being late personally but I now understand it was not personal they were simply being Dominican.
Going forward I will assess the person and the situation and decide on a case by case basis how to deal with chics who are late. Some are really nice people and seem to have a teachable spirit and really want to learn others really DGAF and seem to have rocks in their heads.
Living here I feel like I am in school and I have much more to learn.
Mr Enternational
06-01-17, 12:38
I took being late personally but I now understand it was not personal they were simply being Dominican.It is not just a Dominican thing, but more of an island thing. On most islands you will experience the on-time not really mattering (although they are able to show up for work on time).
Me and a chick that I mess with in the Philippines were going somewhere together. The flight was leaving at 2 and I told her to meet me at the airport at 1. At about 1:50 she comes waltzing up to the gate. I am like where the fuck have you been? She said what are you worrying about; the flights never leave on time. I will be damn if that flight didn't leave an hour and a half late.
Shit is so bad that I use the CP method now when booking a flight on a Filipino airline. I book an earlier flight than I want to take because I know it is not going to leave until the time I really wanted to go. It is either that or book a flight at the time I want and be late as fuck.
Ahorita es no solo una palabra es un estado de mente.
I realize this is old news to many but regardless I'd like to share my experience as an anecdote. Since living in the Dominican Republic I have learned that some Dominicans and I repeat some Dominicans do not have the same accountability for time as I do. I served in the United States military and was a law enforcement professional my entire adult life therefore I always had to be accountable for my time. Where I came from if you are not on time you were AWOL (Absent without leave) and there were consequences.
Fast forward I have retired and now live in a country where many people DGAF about time. I have given special note to a pattern. Many of the women that I have met between 18 and 25 have not completed basic education (high school or here it is called Bachiller) this means they are under-educated and cannot find decent work which would incline them to be accountable with their time.
Since living in Puerto Plata many of the chics that I deal with can be considered semi or non pros which means since some I repeat some are under educated and lack professional work experience therefore they are often late and regretfully I have been stood up more times than I can count. If a chic is a pro she still might be late but has more of a sense of getting her money, which requires more time accountability; but if a chic is semi or non pro she may want a "regalo" or "ayuda" but she is less likely to be accountable for her time.
There are 3 words I have had to learn:
1. Ahora which means now.
2. Ahora mismo which means right now or immediately.
3. Ahorita which means soon however there is no specific time attached to the meaning of the word. Another idea that captures the meaning is cuando quiera or "whenever. ".
My point is the attitude of many of the chics I have encountered is "ahorita. " It used to offend me but now I understand that when chics are being late they are not deliberately being disrespectful they are doing what comes natural and acting out of there cultural value of time "ahorita. " I took being late personally but I now understand it was not personal they were simply being Dominican.
Going forward I will assess the person and the situation and decide on a case by case basis how to deal with chics who are late. Some are really nice people and seem to have a teachable spirit and really want to learn others really DGAF and seem to have rocks in their heads.
Living here I feel like I am in school and I have much more to learn.1000 page book coming right up. Like you, I spent years being responsible for my time management with work and in my personal dealings with people. I had a head start knowing how Dominicans are notoriously late. I dated a Dominican from the states, and whenever we traveled to her home town in the DR, I had a front row seat exposed to how locals operate. Fast forward to when I started mongering here in Sosua, means having to deal with their sense of time up close and personal.
Many folks including some who posted here, seemed to have the attitude that that is just the way it is. That you are visiting or living in their country, so deal with it. Well, to some extent, I accept that reality. But on the other hand, I don't accept it fully. My living here has got me to the point that I needed to devise a way of dealing with their idea of acceptable lateness and my reaction to it. I realized that my goal isn't to try to put much effort into changing people, but to change how I deal with them. What I accomplish is not getting frustrated, not wasting time, and sometimes it results in certain offenders changing their behavior. I've also kicked enough to the curb for chronic lateness.
Like you I've setup dates / appointments with chicas. Lateness was a constant. I've had a few no shows with chicas I've never been with, as well as regulars that initiated us getting together, but were a no show. No call, no text, nothing. Then the next time you see them, they act like nothing happened. One thing I changed dramatically in dealing with locals (men or women), is I avoid confrontations or arguments with them. No complaining, no whining, no talking it over. The best strategy for me, is to just take matters in my own hands. I make the adjustments on how I relate to them from that point forward. Arguing and telling them what they did was wrong is a waste of time.
Typical folks here do not take responsibility for their behavior anyway. Many will justify any and everything they do, and your concerns or feelings aint got anything to do with it. You try to mush logic in a locals face, and they will dodge that shit like a Matrix bullet. Your wasting your time. And that goes for almost any issue, not just lateness. You are not going to convince a local that he or she is wrong.
So to minimize my frustration in dealing with this issue, I do not make plans or dates and ASSUME were on the same page. What I do is place more responsibility on them. So, if I made arrangements for a chica to come over my place, or to meet me somewhere, I tell her to text me or call me to advise me when she is on her way, and where she is right now. If I do not get that text or call, I immediately go to plan "B". If a chica is coming from a long distance, I get her to tell me when she is leaving from where she is, and to text me again when she gets to certain areas along the way. Example, that she is in Santiago now, that she is PP now, that she just past the POP airport etc.
No follow up, like I told them to do, then I'm aborting. That means no frustrations, no waiting around like a silly rabbit. I'm free to do my own thing, not handcuffed to the unknown of whether she's coming or not, or how long I have to wait. I make sure I tell them at the outset. If you do not advise me that you are on your way, with follow ups of your progress / location I am assuming that you are not coming. At that point the onus is on them on what they choose to do. Even if they don't give a shit. The point is, I am free emotionally and physically to do whatever the fuck I want to do. Instead of sitting around waiting on the unknown.
I make it clear what time I expect them to be where they are supposed to be. When that time comes, and they are not there, assuming they are late, then they should have contacted me. No contact, I'm changing plans. If I lose out on having a fine ass chica, then so be it. I don't have to accept that BS. Especially since most of these chicas have high end phones, and can buy data for the day for a few measily pesos. There arent many excuses for not contacting someone. But then when they finally get where they are supposed to be, all of a sudden they can use their phones? Fuck that. No need for anybody to continue to accept that BullShit.
Of course this also requires having a DGAF attitude about losing the chica even if she is a regular. For local chicas, I do something similar. We agree on a time, but I still tell them to text me when they are on their way. With the understanding that if I do not hear from you, I am assuming you are not coming. Even if I have no other plan, I'm emotionally freed from concern over whether or not they are coming or the time. Because I'm not wasting any time.
What I have also done on numerous occasions, is if they do not text me to tell me they are running late, and I do not have a plan "B", I tell the security guard to tell them that I left. I don't answer the phone or texts. Next time I talk to them, I don't say shit about it. After all, I'm not pissed about what happened because I waited around like an idiot. I took matters in my own hands, and out of theirs. Usually they will be the ones ready to complain that they came over, or they were at so and so, and I wasnt there. I just tell them, I was there at the time I told you. You were not. You didn't call or text so I left. Guess what happens? You think they learned from that not to be late again? Wrong!
They'll do the same shit again and again. But for some after the shit happens to them enough you might see some change. I did that to one of my local Haitian regulars until she finally started coming on time. Oh and another thing. I take my time coming to let them in. They hate waiting outside, they want me to be outside when they get dropped off. But again, I put the onus back on them. I told you to tell me when you were you were leaving, I won't wait outside, getting bit by bugs and bored when I could be doing something constructive with my time.
I typically will give a person 5 to 15 minutes. After that, and them not advising me of their status, I'm ghost. IMO, a person who knows they are late, should have the common sense to call or text. If you let that shit go, it's like telling them that you accept that shit. But if you communicate with your feet, you find out quick if they can deal with a person who won't put up with it. After they end up wasting their time, and expense because of their lateness, that is something they have to deal with. It's not even about me. I took myself out of the equation. They have to deal with the consequences for their own behavior.
On a side note, I apply a similar outlook when dealing with service in a restaurant. Like many, I have had to deal with wait staff that can't remember shit. Or get your order wrong, and still bring the wrong order back to your table. So to somewhat overcome or minimize this from happening. I try to get the wait staff to repeat everything I asked for and any particulars, like how I want something prepared. Most folks don't do that. They simply ask the waiter did you get that? And the person responds, yes. But the point is, what did they get? More often than not, they didn't get it. And due to a language barrier and their pride, low brain power, bad diet who knows?, or perhaps ashamed to admit they really did not understand everything that you said.
So what ends up happening when they bring stuff to the table its not exactly what you wanted. They will plop down anything they get from the kitchen and probably hope or expect you to deal with it, and not complain. Getting them to repeat everything MAY help both of you to circumvent a potential misunderstanding. Plus it can help us to see if the server is compensating for what they think they understood, instead of trying to really understand what you want. My overall point in this, is put the onus back on the locals, instead of just accepting things the way they are. Allow them to get frustrated due to them not exercising good judgement in communicating, and failing to be responsible own their end.
In summary, I don't need to get mad, angry, upset or frustrated when a person is late. I avoid being stood up, by making sure they do what is necessary to let me know they are coming. And if they arent where they are supposed to be at a certain time, I do not look at it as owing them my time or patience. I freely change my plans. If they don't show up, fine. If they do, and I'm gone, that's their problem. Thats what happens when you do not take responsibility for your behavior.
One more anecdote. One day I was on the Caribe Tours bus in Charimicos. It had just pulled away from the station. It was sitting at the light. Someone bolted out of the Caribe Tours station, hustled up to the door, trying to get the bus driver to open the door. The driver waved his finger back and forth, as if to say. No, no. No. No. You should have come before I closed the doors and pulled off. See? That individual that couldn't get on the bus had to deal with the consequences for not being ontime for THAT bus. Whether they learn the lesson, that's on them. But the way the bus driver handled it, he didn't let that individual off the hook for their own behavior. He took matters in his own hands. No argument, no whining, no explanations. Just do what needs to be done, and let the other person deal with it.
Oh yeah and it happened in the DR where you constantly hear that is the culture , and you just have to accept it. Well guess what?, the bus driver apparently didnt get the memo on common lateness within DR culture.
One more anecdote. One day I was on the Caribe Tours bus in Charimicos. It had just pulled away from the station. It was sitting at the light. Someone bolted out of the Caribe Tours station, hustled up to the door, trying to get the bus driver to open the door. The driver waved his finger back and forth, as if to say. No, no. No. No. You should have come before I closed the doors and pulled off. See? That individual that couldn't get on the bus had to deal with the consequences for not being ontime for THAT bus. Whether they learn the lesson, that's on them. But the way the bus driver handled it, he didn't let that individual off the hook for their own behavior. He took matters in his own hands. No argument, no whining, no explanations. Just do what needs to be done, and let the other person deal with it.
Oh yeah and it happened in the DR where you constantly hear that is the culture , and you just have to accept it. Well guess what?, the bus driver apparently didnt get the memo on common lateness within DR culture.Caribe Tours are well-known for being on time. Corporate policy. I am sure the bus drivers have gotten memos about late pick-ups and not opening the doors of the bus except at approved stops due to the risk of robberies.
Usually when people are late it is an indication of a disorganized lifestyle of some kind. For example some actresses or musical performers are notorious for showing up late and driving their coworkers crazy, but then probably they have been out drinking and snorting stuff up their noses the night before when they should have been memorizing their lines for the next day.
If someone shows up late for a sex date, very likely it is an indication that they are not really into it, or that there is someplace else that they would rather be.
Caribe Tours are well-known for being on time. Corporate policy. I am sure the bus drivers have gotten memos about late pick-ups and not opening the doors of the bus except at approved stops due to the risk of robberies.
Usually when people are late it is an indication of a disorganized lifestyle of some kind. For example some actresses or musical performers are notorious for showing up late and driving their coworkers crazy, but then probably they have been out drinking and snorting stuff up their noses the night before when they should have been memorizing their lines for the next day.
If someone shows up late for a sex date, very likely it is an indication that they are not really into it, or that there is someplace else that they would rather be.I disagree Sir, we aren't talking about some millionaire Diva who is used to being waited on hand and foot trying to pull rank. You living there should understand they don't live by American standards, its a laid-back, take it easy, don't worry about it attitude that is prevalent through most unAmericanized Caribbean islands.
Latin women in general don't care about time, they care about looking good and presenting a good package. Foreign men don't understand this takes time and it might extend the meet time. Ever seen a Latina show up on time looking rushed? You won't. Ever seen a Latina show up late looking exceptional? That{s the norm. When you are dealing with putas who only want want fast cash and don't care about washing their pussies or wearing the same clothes as yesterday, maybe then they will be on time.
Its a Latin thing, its a Caribbean thing so understand it because its no big deal. Now, you have guys saying its okay to have five of these girls on call for the same date but that's fucked up because four girls have taken the time to look beautiful for you and you have screwed them over. Its basically someone expecting them to understand American traditions but you are in their country and don't want to understand their traditions. Dominican women only understand American traditions if you are going to buy them a big house and car, they don't understand being on time in their country and never will.
Caribe Tours are well-known for being on time. Corporate policy. I am sure the bus drivers have gotten memos about late pick-ups and not opening the doors of the bus except at approved stops due to the risk of robberies.What one can gather from what you said is, that the employees have something governing their behavior. And likely there are consequences for not abiding by the policy. Now apply that to the local who doesn't work for Caribe Tours but wants to ride the bus. If they desire the benefit of riding a certain bus, then they better do what it takes to make it happen. Be on time, pay for a ticket etc. Apply that to lateness with chicas. Guys should have their own standards / policies in regards to time management and in dealing with chicas.
And they should exercise those standards in dealing with chicas. Time management is a good start. That way, a chica can't just do whatever the fuck she wants to do, inconveniencing others and suffer no consequences. And what I mean is; many guys ignore the whole issue when a chica shows up late. They are too happy to see her.
Some guys like me on the other hand, are less likely to continue waiting and waiting until a chica shows up, and then greet her like nothing happened, and go on acting like she is special. Dealing with her at that point is like saying your time is not important. You are not important. There comes a time men need to get back to sticking to a worthwhile principle, in their own regard. And not make excuses or give allowances for chica irresponsibility, when it's not necessary.
"Oh it's just the way it is in their culture." Or when it comes to paying more money than necessary for pussy. "Oh it's only a little bit of money, I aint sweating it" Or , "its my vacation nobody should give a shit what I spend." My thing is, one reason why men have to go abroad from their frustration dealing with their women,is because men using that logic already fucked it up from where they came from. Now they wanna come here and essentially fuck it up for themselves here too. Women essentially get to be the way they are because enough men refuse to check themselves, when it comes to dealing with females.
Case in point. 2 guys I know at the beach. One was complaining to the other that he came to meet him at the beach as planned, to hang out. He waited and waited, but his buddy wasnt there. His buddy said, he saw a chica with a fat ass and went with her. The other guy told him if that is the case, why didnt you send me a message to let me know instead of having me wait for nothing?
His buddy, instead of saying yeah you are right, all he talked about was that chicas fat ass, and he had to get with her. Totally disregarded his buddies concerns. Unfortunately, thats just one of many stories of guys coming here losing their damn minds, getting caught up elevating women, over other things or people that should be important to them. In the moment, I was surprised by the guys response of not caring about his buddy being stood up.
But that was only because I misjudged the guy as him being more considerate towards others he associates with. I was wrong. With him, pussy comes first.
Usually when people are late it is an indication of a disorganized lifestyle of some kind. For example some actresses or musical performers are notorious for showing up late and driving their coworkers crazy, but then probably they have been out drinking and snorting stuff up their noses the night before when they should have been memorizing their lines for the next day.
If someone shows up late for a sex date, very likely it is an indication that they are not really into it, or that there is someplace else that they would rather be.Here in the DR, one can speculate on many reasons why chicas are a no show, or show up late for a sex date. In enough instances a no show or showing up late, can be because they are with or going to be with someone else. And rather than call or text the individual who was originally expecting them, they just avoid communicating altogether. Here in Sosua a guy could be whatsapping a chica who is trying to hook up with a guy. The guy thinks it's going down. Before she is on her way, she meets a guy (including previous clients). Rather than miss out on scoring that money right in her face, she'll go with that guy, and put the guy waiting for her on hold.
Some chicas will communicate a change of plans, some won't. But a change of plans does not mean they will tell you the truth. And besides who expects her to. A guy just has to realize that his turn at bat has been moved back or cancelled. Her reason or excuse (lie) is just what we all do, when we want to get out of something.
Since living in Puerto Plata many of the chics that I deal with can be considered semi or non pros which means since some I repeat some are under educated and lack professional work experience therefore they are often late and regretfully I have been stood up more times than I can count. If a chic is a pro she still might be late but has more of a sense of getting her money, which requires more time accountability; but if a chic is semi or non pro she may want a "regalo" or "ayuda" but she is less likely to be accountable for her time.Since living in Santo Domingo este I only been stood up by a chica one time (and that was for a non sexual business meeting).
Being late is another matter. It happens all the time regardless of her age, education or the favorite social description you might wish to ascribe to her. But if you have ever been in the streets of Santo Domingo (este or proper), dealt with the unreliable transportation system (timewise), been a of victim of the weather or poor infrastructure then you should understand that being on time here is not as easy as being on time in a developed country.
Not taking away from the experiences of anyone else and taking into account important cultural characteristics that have been discussed, when I'm dealing with the lateness of a chica it's based on knowing the individual involved. And then handling the situation in a way that works best for my situation.
One more anecdote. One day I was on the Caribe Tours bus in Charimicos. It had just pulled away from the station. It was sitting at the light. Someone bolted out of the Caribe Tours station, hustled up to the door, trying to get the bus driver to open the door. The driver waved his finger back and forth, as if to say. No, no. No. No. You should have come before I closed the doors and pulled off. See? That individual that couldn't get on the bus had to deal with the consequences for not being ontime for THAT bus. Whether they learn the lesson, that's on them. But the way the bus driver handled it, he didn't let that individual off the hook for their own behavior. He took matters in his own hands. No argument, no whining, no explanations. Just do what needs to be done, and let the other person deal with it.
Oh yeah and it happened in the DR where you constantly hear that is the culture , and you just have to accept it. Well guess what?, the bus driver apparently didnt get the memo on common lateness within DR culture.Nothing really special about this bus driver or this incident. I have seen security close and lock the door to banks (Popular, BanReservas and BHD) and seen the same thing happen at edeeste. Leaving the people wanting to get in inside to conduct business after business hours had concluded standing outside disappointed. My guess is that the individuals involved were not taking matters into their own hands, but simply following company policy. To ascribe anything else to their actions, in an attempt to make the incident more significant than it actually was, is erroneous.
Business and social relationships often operate on completely different set of standards, rules, and expectations. Certainly we can all agree on that.
Case in point. 2 guys I know at the beach. One was complaining to the other that he came to meet him at the beach as planned, to hang out. He waited and waited, but his buddy wasnt there. His buddy said, he saw a chica with a fat ass and went with her. The other guy told him if that is the case, why didnt you send me a message to let me know instead of having me wait for nothing?
His buddy, instead of saying yeah you are right, all he talked about was that chicas fat ass, and he had to get with her. Totally disregarded his buddies concerns. Unfortunately, thats just one of many stories of guys coming here losing their damn minds, getting caught up elevating women, over other things or people that should be important to them. In the moment, I was surprised by the guys response of not caring about his buddy being stood up.I should think a person's level of consideration for others would be set into their personalitiy long before they set foot in Sosua. However, you really cannot let your happiness on vacation be determined by such things. If the stood-up guy knew the buddy well and considered him to be a a really reliable person, he would perhaps have been checking the local hospitals or police station to see if his friend had an accident, but I suspect he had no such worries at all and knew or suspected that he was a weak character who could not always be relied upon.
Manizales911
06-03-17, 02:01
I disagree Sir, we aren't talking about some millionaire Diva who is used to being waited on hand and foot trying to pull rank. You living there should understand they don't live by American standards, its a laid-back, take it easy, don't worry about it attitude that is prevalent through most unAmericanized Caribbean islands.
Latin women in general don't care about time, they care about looking good and presenting a good package. Foreign men don't understand this takes time and it might extend the meet time. Ever seen a Latina show up on time looking rushed? You won't. Ever seen a Latina show up late looking exceptional? That{s the norm. When you are dealing with putas who only want want fast cash and don't care about washing their pussies or wearing the same clothes as yesterday, maybe then they will be on time.
Its a Latin thing, its a Caribbean thing so understand it because its no big deal. Now, you have guys saying its okay to have five of these girls on call for the same date but that's fucked up because four girls have taken the time to look beautiful for you and you have screwed them over. Its basically someone expecting them to understand American traditions but you are in their country and don't want to understand their traditions. Dominican women only understand American traditions if you are going to buy them a big house and car, they don't understand being on time in their country and never will.I agree, it is a Latin thing, time is not important, look at the lack of clocks anywhere compared to the USA, nobody wears a functioning watch etc. When I lived in Colombia it was the same as here, nobody gave two shits what time it was and I'm not talking about putas, I'm talking about family and friends. My brother is married to a great gal she is half Cuban half Puerto Rican, they NEVER show up to family dinners and events anywhere near on time and never an apology for being late because it is not a big deal in Latin American countries we give a shit because we are gringos and time is everything. It is one of the things that I like about living in the DR, a relaxed way of life, nobody is looking at their watch all day. When I schedule a cita with a chica I just tell them upfront that if they are more than 30 minutes late they should call me to find out what bar or restaurant I will be in because I am not going to wait for them at home all night, if they are late no big deal, I'm with my friends having a good time. Life is too short to get my blood pressure up over a chica.
Manizales911
06-03-17, 02:14
One more anecdote. One day I was on the Caribe Tours bus in Charimicos. It had just pulled away from the station. It was sitting at the light. Someone bolted out of the Caribe Tours station, hustled up to the door, trying to get the bus driver to open the door. The driver waved his finger back and forth, as if to say. No, no. No. No. You should have come before I closed the doors and pulled off. See? That individual that couldn't get on the bus had to deal with the consequences for not being ontime for THAT bus. Whether they learn the lesson, that's on them. But the way the bus driver handled it, he didn't let that individual off the hook for their own behavior. He took matters in his own hands. No argument, no whining, no explanations. Just do what needs to be done, and let the other person deal with it.
.This happens all the time, I find it hilarious. I have a "regular" that I met in Blue Ice Piano Bar that has since moved to Santo Domingo, she visits me in Sosua about once a month and stays a couple days, I pick her up and drop her off at the Caribe Tours in Charamicos and I see girls all the time running panicked into the office to buy a ticket and / or running out of the office to try and catch the bus just before it pulls out, so funny.
Mr Enternational
06-03-17, 03:52
But if you have ever been in the streets of Santo Domingo (este or proper), dealt with the unreliable transportation system (timewise), been a of victim of the weather or poor infrastructure then you should understand that being on time here is not as easy as being on time in a developed country.With all this against them, please tell how they make it to work on-time everyday; and in most cases during rush hour. You said it best when you said that business and social relationships operate on a different set of standards. So it is not the weather or infrastructure after all.
They have no problem being on-time for things they must be on-time for. Like the man said, if that last Caribe Tours bus leaves at 6, you think they are going to show up at 6:30 (6:01 maybe as seen in the example, but certainly not 6:30 or 7) talking about how bad the weather and infrastructure is? They know there are certain things they must be on-time for, while there are other things that being on-time do not matter as much.
My brother is married to a great gal she is half Cuban half Puerto Rican, they NEVER show up to family dinners and events anywhere near on time and never an apology for being lateI do not know anything about PR or Cuba, but in Brazil when you are given a time for an event that you are describing, it is not expected that you will show up on time. If the host tells you 8pm it really means 8:45 or 9. You will be looked at weird showing up at 8 and be the only one there and nothing will be ready.
With all this against them, please tell how they make it to work on-time everyday; and in most cases during rush hour.I'm surprised with your extensive experience that you had to ask the question in the first place. But since you did. The answer is: they don't always make it to work on time.
Algo mas? (anything more)?
The last two chicas I imported to SD have each been 4 hours late. Neither called to tell me they were running late and were surprised by my discontent. The first one was waiting in my hotel lobby when I walked in with hot SW from El Conde. It was 8 or 9 and I did not have the heart to put her in the streets. So I booted my SW and let her stay. This taught me a lesson so on my last trip I was more relaxed and a tad more patient. I did tell the lady that if she came later then 8 not to come. She just made it.
With all this against them, please tell how they make it to work on-time everyday; and in most cases during rush hour. So it is not the weather or infrastructure.But in some cases it is weather or infrastructure. I did not say in all cases now did I? In some cases they don't make to work on time (through no fault of there own). Show me a guagua or transporte publico schedule. Feel free to post a picture of it or a link to the website here.
If you are going to quote me then misinterpret what I said then this discussion becomes a bigger waste of my time than a chica being late. Because I said weather and infrastructure makes it harder to be on time. And I am speaking from personal experience not relating a story.
Twist it and spin it however you would like. Getting around in Santo Domingo (este and proper) can be difficult if relying on public transportation, Uber and for that matter private transportation (such as The Grand Jefe mobile) in inclement weather and due to bad infrastructure. It doesn't matter if you are moving around at night, in the day, rush hour or any other hour. You can state otherwise all you like. But that doesn't make it so. But if the need to have a answer to your question is giving you such mental anguish then I suggest you ask the chicas about it if you really want to know.
I disagree Sir, we aren't talking about some millionaire Diva who is used to being waited on hand and foot trying to pull rank. You living there should understand they don't live by American standards, its a laid-back, take it easy, don't worry about it attitude that is prevalent through most unAmericanized Caribbean islands.
Latin women in general don't care about time, they care about looking good and presenting a good package. Foreign men don't understand this takes time and it might extend the meet time. Ever seen a Latina show up on time looking rushed? You won't. Ever seen a Latina show up late looking exceptional? That{s the norm. When you are dealing with putas who only want want fast cash and don't care about washing their pussies or wearing the same clothes as yesterday, maybe then they will be on time.
Its a Latin thing, its a Caribbean thing so understand it because its no big deal. Now, you have guys saying its okay to have five of these girls on call for the same date but that's fucked up because four girls have taken the time to look beautiful for you and you have screwed them over. Its basically someone expecting them to understand American traditions but you are in their country and don't want to understand their traditions. Dominican women only understand American traditions if you are going to buy them a big house and car, they don't understand being on time in their country and never will.Feedback. Time management is not necessarily an American standard, nor is being late necessarily a Caribbean standard. Time management is a personal choice. And as I read further along, I read Mr E's piece basically debunking what should be obvious.
How is it, that in all of these Caribbean countries they all have this lateness thing in common (mainly in regard to women) , but when it comes to having a job, having to meet deadlines, get somewhere before it closes, fill out forms or they miss out on something, anything you can think of they DEEM IMPORTANT, their habits, traditions, "it's just the way it is", "I'm late because I'm trying to look beautiful for you" etc. Now all of a sudden these folks in all of these nations have the ability to exercise the ability to be on time for something they value or something they do not want to miss out on. What happened to their Caribbean traditions supposedly governing their behavior?
Point being. People no matter where they come from, make choices on how they manage their time, and the value they place on people, places and things. A person doesn't have any less ability to be somewhere on time for a social engagement, than from conducting important business. It's all about the individual and how they choose to manage their time. The key here, is some people are self governed, while others are driven by fear or concern. In essence pressure motivated. That applies within American culture as well as Caribbean culture. So it's up to the individual of which stimuli or INCENTIVE they respond to. It's all about what's at stake.
It's obvious to me, that if guys accept lateness on a social level, they are going to continue getting the same treatment. Expecting someone to be on time, as I've concluded, is not a standard owned by Americans or foreigners. It's simply a choice. You give someone within a social context reason or concern of being on time, a change of behavior may emerge. Having no such reason, concern or incentive in place, then you see whatever they are accustomed to. As I said earlier. My interest isn't in directly trying to change anybody. I just show them by my actions how I handle my time management. It allows me to be free of frustration, anger, resentment and taking their lateness personally. What they choose to do with how I handle it, is their choice. I welcome positive changes if they occur.
The key is, anybody can understand traditions where they visit. It shouldn't be assumed or concluded that foreigners collectively do not understand others traditions. Because if we are going to go there, we can say the same for the locals we relate to as well. The ones who value and rely on our dollars tremendously. We can say they don't understand foreigners either. And may not realize they might be allowing their habits to get in the way of their financial security. So who is better off in sticking to their guns? The one missing out on some pussy, or the one missing out on some needed money to take care of themselves and their families?
Anybody can be on time if they choose to. As far as Caribbean women are concerned, they can look their best and be on time if they choose to. One thing for us to be mindful of, is not too many guys waiting for a chicas arrival, is going to give her a pass because she took the time to look her best BUT for some other Ninja. I personally wouldn't contact a bunch of women to all come at the same time, because I don't like messes. But I sure don't have a problem being ready to change plans or abort if I do not feel like waiting around.
My allegiance is more to men than to women. I care more about a mans concerns, and his time being wasted than the time women take to look beautiful. Besides, IMO women looking beautiful isn't necessarily designed for a mans benefit. Its for the benefit of the woman so she can hopefully extract as much as she can from a dudes wallet creating the illusion of increasing her value in the mans mind. Her look aint because she cares about the man and his feelings. If a woman wants to demonstrate doing something that really matters, then surprise him by being on time and looking good. Personally, quite a few chicas have impressed me by being on time.
My pretend GF and I also have an understanding. She texts me when she's leaving her place, and when she gets her taxi, It's always about 15 minutes before she gets to the Parada in Sosua. I scoop her up and we are on our way. Sometimes she wants pizza. So I've got her to make sure she calls ahead for the pizza or tells me she wants pizza and I call. That way the pizza is ready by the time she makes it to Sosua. In the past she would wait until she got to Sosua to tell me she was hungry, and wanted pizza. When asked why wait until now to tell me, she cant explain it. A lot of folks just have bad habits or dont use their brains enough. I cant even call that behavior a tradition or culture. It's their training or programming.
All in all, even Caribbean folks can operate socially an manage time well. Sometimes they just need someone willing to offer them an incentive. Someone who gives a fuck about how they are treated. There aint nothing stressful or complicated about what I'm proposing. When applied, things can go smoothly. When it's not important or a concern I'm laid back just like anybody else. I'm actually quite flexible when it comes to time. I try to be conscientious when it comes to being on time for others too. Foreign or domestic.
I forgot to add. Enough Caribbean women have a double standard when it comes to time management. Ive witnessed and experienced enough DR women who got upset over guys showing up late, or not showing up at all. In essence demonstrating that they do care about time management when the shoe is on the other foot. Where they stand on the issue ( lateness/no shows ) depends on where they sit.
The key here is the woman may feel a sense of loss by a guy being late or being a no show. She direclty misses out on the benefit. Whereas when she is late or a no show, there is no sense of loss because the guy accepts her lateness and ends of paying her anyway. Or in the case of a no show, she put the waiting dude on hold only to get his money later, but she is getting paid from another source. No sense of loss there. In essence, if a chica has good reason/incentive or something at stake or something to lose, she just might be on time or show up.
I should think a person's level of consideration for others would be set into their personalitiy long before they set foot in Sosua. However, you really cannot let your happiness on vacation be determined by such things. If the stood-up guy knew the buddy well and considered him to be a a really reliable person, he would perhaps have been checking the local hospitals or police station to see if his friend had an accident, but I suspect he had no such worries at all and knew or suspected that he was a weak character who could not always be relied upon.The stood up guy realized in that moment his buddies perspective on what can happen if plans are made and a chica comes along. Since I just met them both, now I know what to expect from that guy too. I probably will never make plans to hang out with him knowing how he operates.
Camaro1257
06-03-17, 15:42
Should I pay or not pay? (My anecdotal experiences).
We talk about what we pay ad-nauseum but seriously this thing can be complicated. I realize my experience is different from some others and I do not wish to debate simply to share. First of all it is wrong to assume all these women are hoes looking for money. Some chics are offended at the exchange of money, in fact you cannot talk about money without the risk of loosing them.
The majority of the chics I have been with I have given them something before departing but a small (VERY SMALL) minority I have not. Sometimes it's implicit by the vibe she wants something sometimes she says she doesn't but she does. I know this sounds CRAZY but a couple of times I have given women money and they looked at me like WTF is this?
Recently I have told a few of my regulars I wasn't giving them any more money and they fell off the radar and a couple kept coming. The ones that kept coming of course I gave them something because obviously they need the money more than I but I was just testing them and I wanted to thin the roster anyway.
It's only been a few times but there are those who make it clear they DO NOT want my money. Unless a chic is clearly PFP like when I am in Sosua I just play it by ear walking on egg shells because I do not want to loose what could be a good opportunity going forward.
Should I pay or not pay? (My anecdotal experiences).
We talk about what we pay ad-nauseum but seriously this thing can be complicated. I realize my experience is different from some others and I do not wish to debate simply to share. First of all it is wrong to assume all these women are hoes looking for money. Some chics are offended at the exchange of money, in fact you cannot talk about money without the risk of loosing them.
The majority of the chics I have been with I have given them something before departing but a small (VERY SMALL) minority I have not. Sometimes it's implicit by the vibe she wants something sometimes she says she doesn't but she does. I know this sounds CRAZY but a couple of times I have given women money and they looked at me like WTF is this?
Recently I have told a few of my regulars I wasn't giving them any more money and they fell off the radar and a couple kept coming. The ones that kept coming of course I gave them something because obviously they need the money more than I but I was just testing them and I wanted to thin the roster anyway.
It's only been a few times but there are those who make it clear they DO NOT want my money. Unless a chic is clearly PFP like when I am in Sosua I just play it by ear walking on egg shells because I do not want to loose what could be a good opportunity going forward.Basically I seldom trust what women say, and the impressions they are trying to make me believe. I pay more attention to their underlying motivation. And how they behave. IMO I think the offense enough women put on when it comes to the exchange of money or talking about money, is contrived. A show.
Done just to make an impression. In fact, I will go on record to say, I think many folks in the DR thrive on and / or accept deception and misrepresentation of themselves as a necessary evil in getting by in life. I'm not impressed by women acting offended. Nor feel a sense of loss if they bounce. If they are grown ass women then they should know, that as a man, a man generally looks out for their welfare. Thats what men generally do. If she is offended then she probably has some other insecurity shit going on in her head. And perhaps, is too self absorbed to get the point that that man may be trying to help a woman avoid having to ask for help/compensation.
If a woman bounces just because she is offered money or a man talked about money, she might be doing him a favor. Mainly because he probably already invested time and money entertaining her ass. Her bouncing means she avoids reciprocating investing her own resources on his behalf. How convenient.
Of course something can be said for timing and tack on the mans part. A man doesn't have to give a woman money, especially upon departing from her. He can choose a time when it is appropriate or simply feel the situation out. Aint nothing wrong with letting a woman speak up and state her concerns. I think the issue also is about guys being secure enough to let a woman speak up for herself and not be concerned about her thinking less of him just because he did not initiate offering 1st.
Once again putting the onus of responsibility back on the local. That way there is no complications, no worries, no feelings of not being manly or whatever way we process the issue. Let them speak up, and say what they want or don't want. From that, I will make the decision on what I am willing to provide in relation to what I'm getting out of it.
The other point to grasp, is that very often we as men are thrown off because of the impression women try to make, which may not be what they really represent inside. We have nothing to lose by accepting the front they put forth, acting and treating them by what they represent. If anybody is to blame for a man not getting it right, it will be on the woman. Because if she really wanted or needed a man to respond accordingly, then she should have represented and communicated that. We aint no damn mind readers. No need to walk on eggshells because women dont want to represent or truthfully express what they really want/need from us. Make em accountable is what I say.
Mr Enternational
06-03-17, 17:10
First of all it is wrong to assume all these women are hoes looking for money. Some chics are offended at the exchange of money, in fact you cannot talk about money without the risk of loosing them.
The majority of the chics I have been with I have given them something before departing but a small (VERY SMALL) minority I have not. I know this sounds CRAZY but a couple of times I have given women money and they looked at me like WTF is this?This is something I have been saying for years, but to other board members I am bragging or cheating women out of something or lying to them about something. I have no problem paying a hooker for work, but every woman is not a hooker. Why should I pay a woman that is not a hooker? Some say because she has less than me. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And nobody has ever answered what if it is a woman that has more than me? Do I still need to give her money? Does she need to give me money? I do not understand why some people do not believe that sometimes people are just two adults doing what adults do and neither party is looking for financial gain.
Last year here in Thailand I met a chick at the market. That same night she came and spent the night with me. The next day when I dropped her home I slid her $30. She looked at me crazy and said what is this for? I felt like a total jackazz and had to make up a bullshit story about it being for her and her friend to get some lunch. Hell, lunch only costs $2 at the most around this mf.
One morning she left my place and when she got home she sent me messages saying that on the way out a White guy that lives in the building started talking to her and said that guy has a different girl over everyday. She said she told him as well he should because he is a handsome guy. Over a year later and that chick still has not asked me for a gd thing.
A couple of months after I met her her dad was in the hospital. She went home and had to pay $3000 for his stay. (Must have been a private hospital because public ones only cost $1) I posted on Thai Visa about it and some guys actually argued that I should have paid the $3000 hospital bill for a grown ass man that I do not even know simply because I am fucking his daughter. I am just totally baffled by some guys' thinking. It is not hard to see why many get bamboozled and taken advantage of.
Camaro and WRX will see a broad spectrum of women. Guys on this forum are focused on P4 P girls by enlarge and occassional non pro who needs some help living.
Dominican female professionals make barely enough to get by. Economics is survival for DR chicas. When an American meets a DR female she is sizing him up because he brings a chance to solve her wows. There are DR females who have great pride and character but are still are looking for a guy with deep pockets. Each chica you meet has her own idea of what she is willing to do. Many will take gifts instead of money so they do not have feel like a puta. DR putas come in a wide range some are somewhat sweet while others are hard as nails, You have to play each one by ear. IMO.
This is something I have been saying for years, but to other board members I am bragging or cheating women out of something or lying to them about something. I have no problem paying a hooker for work, but every woman is not a hooker. Why should I pay a woman that is not a hooker? Some say because she has less than me. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And nobody has ever answered what if it is a woman that has more than me? Do I still need to give her money? Does she need to give me money? I do not understand why some people do not believe that sometimes people are just two adults doing what adults do and neither party is looking for financial gainI don't think its about guys not believing all women are not hookers.
I think the reason some guys may have concerns over this issue, is because many women in the DR misrepresent themselves.
Outside of Sosua and general P4 P environments, you can't readily tell by looking at women who expects to be paid / compensated for their time from those that don't. The general consensus is, men run into women who expect to be compensated much more than women who expect nothing. Moreover, a man has to distinguish from those women that are playing the long game. The ones who may put on an act, but down the road expect compensation from a man.
Here's an example from a taxi guy I used to befriend. I used to use his taxi services. He would act offended when I tried to get him to give me a price for his services. He'd rather wait until it's time to square up, and then you find yourself paying him more because he expects you to use your heart as your guide, rather than pay exactly for each thing he did a la carte. His way he gets more out of you.
Someone not aware might think that he's just being a friend. But there is an underlying motivation behind his actions. He hopes to get more out of you in the long run. I've seen male and females look at money handed to them as if to say WTF is this for? But the underlying reason for that is, they think what you gave them is peanuts in comparison to what they think they deserve. That is why I am not concerned about women being offended if offered money or it's discussed. The point is, we have established that your time can be bought, now were just trying to figure out how much you think your time is worth. And that IMO is why enough women are offended. Give an offended chica a 1000 US and see if she gives it back. If she does, triple it.
I lost a set of keys at the playa in Sosua. The guy that found them gave them to somebody else on the beach because he had to leave. The guy who brought me my keys, looked at the 100 pesos I gave him with the same WTF is this attitude as we see with chicas. So I asked him how much does he want. The mugg kept babbling about the guy who found the keys would want more money. Basically talking in circles. It was all bullshit, but that's how he kept avoiding being honest about what HE wanted for bringing me my keys. I asked him at least 3 times to tell me how much he wanted.
I'm trying to get across here, that enough dominicans have a hard time when it comes to accepting responsibility and being honest. Finally I stopped asking, and gave him another 100 pesos. He still looked at it funny. The parking lot attendant kept telling me to just walk away. Because the guy was being ridiculous about it. I even asked the guy suppose he lost his keys, what would he pay me for their return? Crickets. I told him that if I found his keys I would gladly return them and not expect anything in return. You cant shame or reason with some of these folks. Once they think they got a gringo in their debt, they go fucking nuts.
When it comes to women, a guy has to access the situation and discern who he is dealing with. True, not every woman is a hooker. But every non hooker is not offended by being offered money / compensation. Sometimes non hookers welcome being offered money / compensation. They know all too well how to rationalize that they are not being paid for sex.
My saying. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU GET FOR FREE, BECAUSE YOU don't KNOW HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST YOU IN THE LONG RUN.
If I lived in the DR I would tell all my girls I had a novia and could not devote myself to them. It has always surprised me how girls will be your side chick if they know you have a main girl. The DR is the perfect place to implement this strategy. Pros or not all women in all countries want men who satisfy their economic needs. The number of gorgeous unwed mothers in the DR is huge. Most of these ladies have had attractive DR Novios who have screwed them over. Gringos are viewed as prince charmings. We want to fuck like porn stars, flatter them and have money. Bingo this is the dream of every DR chivca. You do not have to pay them all but believe me they all are all in it for the dollars. The truth is this is women all over the world.
Mr Enternational
06-04-17, 04:27
Pros or not all women in all countries want men who satisfy their economic needs. The number of gorgeous unwed mothers in the DR is huge. Most of these ladies have had attractive DR Novios who have screwed them over.If you insist on fulfuilling economic needs, why settle for these sloppy seconds? If you have to pay for the ride why not call a shiny new Uber instead of a busted up taxi publico? I do not see the logic in rejoicing at the privilege to pay for damaged goods.
If you insist on fulfuilling economic needs, why settle for these sloppy seconds? If you have to pay for the ride why not call a shiny new Uber instead of a busted up taxi publico? I do not see the logic in rejoicing at the privilege to pay for damaged goods.Hiring individual transportation is clearly more expensive that just buying a seat in a shared taxi or guagua. I think what Old Kool is saying is that renting someone else's time share for a week requires a lot less capital than buying into a time share, but may still give you all you want without the worry. Just eat the icing and leave the cake.
The fact that the women are unwed mothers is precisely the circumstance that makes them available on a rental basis. Yes, of course you can find attractive childless women too, but they have more options that may not include you. For example they are much easier to export to Europe.
Mr Enternational
06-04-17, 07:18
Just eat the icing and leave the cake.The DR novios that Old Kool says screwed them over and left them unwed mothers have already eaten the icing. Now you are groveling over paying for stale cake. LOL.
Yes, of course you can find attractive childless women too, but they have more options that may not include you.If you have money you are just as good as any other option.
Attitudes towards time differ between cultures. There is entire body of work that has looked at how different countries and cultures deal with time. These attitudes are completely different from time management. Every single one us of has specific responsibilities on how we manage our time based on the expectations of other individuals or institutions in our lives.
Wrx2005 has an absolute expectation for prompt arrival. As long as he makes the other party aware of what his personal expectations are then it's all good. If the person does not meet them then he serves up his bevy of consequences.
I on the other hand have a sliding scale on which I judge how another person uses their time. If I'm in my house chilling and don't have any time sensitive plans, I could care less if she arrives late. But if we have plans that have a specific start time, then yeah, those plans have been cancelled due to lateness on her part. I'm time rich and I can spend it how I like. And I'm not letting pussy pursuits upset me.
It's up to each individual to determine how they view lateness. How I choose to view time and how other person chooses to view time is actually irrelevant and unimportant. It says absolutely nothing about the person. Time is an arbitrary concept that only came to importance historically with the industrial revolution.
Camaro and WRX will see a broad spectrum of women. Guys on this forum are focused on P4 P girls by enlarge and occassional non pro who needs some help living.I use the concept of Cost per Orgasam (CPO) to provide a quantitative measure the economic cost across types of girls. That way you don't have to get into typing each and every one of them. Simply take the total you spend on a girl and device by the number of orgasms she give you.
Total money spent / Orgasm=Cost Per Orgasm.
It's a universal concept.
In years past, in Sosua or the DR generally, guys used to make tentative plans with chicas? For instance, a guy is walking about in Sosua, bumps into a fine chica. A brief chat ends up with him telling her he might get with her a certain time. Or for her to come by his place later. He tells her where he's staying. And like clockwork, that chica shows up at his hotel at the designated time, and might be standing around waiting for him.
Or a guy communicates with a chica before his trip. He tells her the day he's coming. Chica shows up at the airport waiting for him to come out. How many vets remember chicas showing up to a guys hotel like that? But the guy either forgot about it, or didn't think the chica would take him seriously. I'm talking about back then when these girls didn't have cell phones. And if they did it was a cheap Alcatel phone, and if high on the hog it was a BlackBerry.
Wasnt it a common thing that a guy would have to watch what he said to a chica, because that chica will show up at his place at the time he said he could see her? The chica assumed she had an appointment.
Same thing with a local taxi driver. The local taxi driver might ask the day the guy is leaving, and show up at the guys hotel hoping to get a return fare.
My point here, if my memory serves me correctly, is that enough foreigners dealing with locals experienced folks here that did care about time on a social level and a business level. A short while ago I used to sit and chill at Rockys. I called the front area The Office. Chicas would pass by all the time. I might check one out and agree to hook up with them at a certain time. But I'd tell them that right now, I'm chilling with my friends.
When I decide to get up to leave, that chica shows up on time ready to leave with me. In fact, sometimes during the course of guys sitting there, some chicas will make several passes just to make sure a guy is still there.
I think we can gather from this, that we can't conclude that locals don't generally care about time. There are always examples out there that people forget about. More than we give credit for. Why? Because enough folks don't pay much attention when people are on time or being conscientious. There's more attention given when people are late or no shows.
Another thing we might can gather, is that the use of today's technology, especially the use of the internet may have corrupted us further to a certain extent. In addition a new breed of folks with less home training than the previous generation are now on the scene. Now the moment a guy nutts and heads to take a shower, the chica has already whipped out her phone and is checking on her other clients. Trying to juggle them all.
The family, the chulos, The WU novios, the next potential client she eyeballed at New Garden restaurant, the guys she communicates with on Facebook, Whatsapp, Tagged, DC, her bi-sexual GF, her amigas that help her to score some new clients staying in a villa etc. No wonder some muggs can't be on time. Work potential overload. Too much shit going on, right at ones fingertips.
So there was a season when locals valued time a lot more, socially and in business. I just think that things have evolved for the worse, and the lack of putting people in check and making them accountable is really why lateness and not giving a fuck about time comes from. In business where deadlines are very important, folks have less of a choice, like the Caribe Tours example. But on a social level, muggs can get to do whatever the fuck they want to do, because they don't have anybody stepping up to give a fuck. It sure aint coming from their HOME TRAINING.
Collectively were cultures filled with softies. Enough men have a hard time accepting their role as men, that lead, take control , offer guidance and solutions to problems with others. Now it's. "you have to accept it" because that is the way it is, or the way they are. Fuck that!. Women today are screaming for men (by their out of control and assbackwards behavior) to take responsibility and take charge, and all we ( collectively ) find ourselves being is accommodating.
Sosua may be the one exception in the DR. The competition is thick for our dollars. When you tell a chica to meet you at your hotel she shpws up unless she found something better. The same is true for the airport pickups. You are the meal ticket in Sosua and they are hungry. Sometimes literally. I went to the room where one of my hook up was staying. there were 3 or 4 girls in a small room. No TV or kitchen cloths piled everywhere. It was depressing. When a chica comes to your room it is a huge step up in most cases.
No, it is not true and I don't remember that. At least not in Santo Domingo. And I thought we had this "Glory Days" discussion before. But hey. Someone wants to have it again. Why not?
Here is what I remember. Making a date with a girl and giving her 15 minutes after the time to show up. When she no shows, I head out to find a another date. I remember the front desk clerk knocking on my door and telling me I had a visitor while I still had a visitor in the room. I told the clerk to let the girl know to cool her heels and I'll be down soon to get her. Walking out with my previous date. Sending her off and taking the new girl up to the room with me.
I remember the same thing happening when I went out to get another date and when I returned my original date was in the lobby waiting for me. Quick check with both girls and off we go up to the room. I learned very quickly not to double book as many have suggested. But I did wind up double booked or with girls back to back due to lateness. Something that I experienced from day one of my visits here. And yes we are talking about Santo Domingo.
I have written about this before. There is a body of academic work about how different countries and cultures view time and work. Those differences are real. If you want talk personal accountability well honestly that is a completely different subject in and of itself. If you want to talk business then business is about making money. Getting paid. If you are spending money then you are just another consumer. And all talk about game or business is erroneous. Trying to attribute the ills of society to how people spend money is erroneous. I don't know the background of all the critics that write here. And quite honestly I don't care too. Critics talk and are irrelevant. Men in the arena do!
It is the men in the arena that matter.
The DR novios that Old Kool says screwed them over and left them unwed mothers have already eaten the icing. Now you are groveling over paying for stale cake. LOL.
If you have money you are just as good as any other option.Not really, the icing is not their virginity, but being able to satisfy curiosity about how they look naked, how it feels to touch their skin, how they act when having sex, and so on without making any long term commitment of time or money.
I thought your shtick had always been that women are not interested in you for money or any kind of financial or lifestyle advantage--they are just lonely and want your company for its own sake.
In any case, having a guy come to the DR every so often to have sex in your basic apartment in the barrio is hardly as alluring as having the opportunity to go and live in Italy or Canada, or Switzerland, or the Netherlands and start a new life and family, especially if you have a passport and financial situation that makes it impossible for you to ever travel away from the island where you were born by other means.
I don't think people in Sosua are complaining about girls being late, you just step into the street and pick the next one. Get outside of Sosua and that dynamic changes. Also it's a difference between a girl coming for an hour fuck and a girl coming for a date and maybe spending the night. The conversation started because mostly girls in SD were always late.
You speak on how Sosua used to be and I agree but the hustle was respected back then with a code. Now we are seeing stinking pussies, girls doing CBJ, and girls rushing out. It's all about the fast dollar.
It's one of the disadvantages about living in a tourist trap, it sugarcoats the DR experience. Step outside the tourist areas where you have thousands of options, can dictate terms, and spend time in other areas. Then you will notice patience and understanding are the only way of survival for a gringo.
Understanding in the DR is a guy you don't know delivering your lost keys, saving you from changing the locks or making new keys, and eliminating you of the worry of a future attempted burglary, and offering a worthy reward. Not a two dollar reward which it would have cost you to replace just one key. Not trying to understand would be you trying to impose your American values and say you would have returned them for free.
You have to make the adjustment bro, because you are playing a losing game and the outcome will be you getting frustrated and blaming the Dominicans (we see that always in your posts). Life in the DR will never change to meet your standards.
P.S. You are stuck in your comfort zone you have created, and analysing everything based on Sosua but I really think you need to relocate to another real DR city to get a new perspective. Peace.
In years past, in Sosua or the DR generally, guys used to make tentative plans with chicas? For instance, a guy is walking about in Sosua, bumps into a fine chica. A brief chat ends up with him telling her he might get with her a certain time. Or for her to come by his place later. He tells her where he's staying. And like clockwork, that chica shows up at his hotel at the designated time, and might be standing around waiting for him.
Or a guy communicates with a chica before his trip. He tells her the day he's coming. Chica shows up at the airport waiting for him to come out. How many vets remember chicas showing up to a guys hotel like that? But the guy either forgot about it, or didn't think the chica would take him seriously. I'm talking about back then when these girls didn't have cell phones. And if they did it was a cheap Alcatel phone, and if high on the hog it was a BlackBerry.
Wasnt it a common thing that a guy would have to watch what he said to a chica, because that chica will show up at his place at the time he said he could see her? The chica assumed she had an appointment.
Same thing with a local taxi driver. The local taxi driver might ask the day the guy is leaving, and show up at the guys hotel hoping to get a return fare.
My point here, if my memory serves me correctly, is that enough foreigners dealing with locals experienced folks here that did care about time on a social level and a business level. A short while ago I used to sit and chill at Rockys. I called the front area The Office. Chicas would pass by all the time. I might check one out and agree to hook up with them at a certain time. But I'd tell them that right now, I'm chilling with my friends.
When I decide to get up to leave, that chica shows up on time ready to leave with me. In fact, sometimes during the course of guys sitting there, some chicas will make several passes just to make sure a guy is still there.
I think we can gather from this, that we can't conclude that locals don't generally care about time. There are always examples out there that people forget about. More than we give credit for. Why? Because enough folks don't pay much attention when people are on time or being conscientious. There's more attention given when people are late or no shows.
Another thing we might can gather, is that the use of today's technology, especially the use of the internet may have corrupted us further to a certain extent. In addition a new breed of folks with less home training than the previous generation are now on the scene. Now the moment a guy nutts and heads to take a shower, the chica has already whipped out her phone and is checking on her other clients. Trying to juggle them all.
The family, the chulos, The WU novios, the next potential client she eyeballed at New Garden restaurant, the guys she communicates with on Facebook, Whatsapp, Tagged, DC, her bi-sexual GF, her amigas that help her to score some new clients staying in a villa etc. No wonder some muggs can't be on time. Work potential overload. Too much shit going on, right at ones fingertips.
So there was a season when locals valued time a lot more, socially and in business. I just think that things have evolved for the worse, and the lack of putting people in check and making them accountable is really why lateness and not giving a fuck about time comes from. In business where deadlines are very important, folks have less of a choice, like the Caribe Tours example. But on a social level, muggs can get to do whatever the fuck they want to do, because they don't have anybody stepping up to give a fuck. It sure aint coming from their HOME TRAINING.
Collectively were cultures filled with softies. Enough men have a hard time accepting their role as men, that lead, take control , offer guidance and solutions to problems with others. Now it's. "you have to accept it" because that is the way it is, or the way they are. Fuck that!. Women today are screaming for men (by their out of control and assbackwards behavior) to take responsibility and take charge, and all we ( collectively ) find ourselves being is accommodating.You are spending too much time in the company of hookers. Suggest you move to a different part of the DR to complete your Ph. D. thesis on Dominicans and the times of their lives.
Camaro1257
06-04-17, 15:37
I have followed the different points in this discussion and believe everyone is making valid points. One of my favorite analogies is "is it a floor or a ceiling?" Of course the answer depends on your perspective. If a person only deals with women who as a matter of practice exchanges money for sex in the Dominican Republic that person might possibly assume all women here exchange money for sex and their opinions are based on that fact. In my experience all Dominican women do not exchange sex for money. In fact if every woman I encounter is exchanging sex for money that speaks to my choices as well as the women who make themselves available for that purpose.
Sometimes people are different in different geographical locations. For example I have travelled extensively outside tourist areas such as Sosua and the North Coast; I have discovered that I am treated differently therefore I need to respond differently. Some of my anecdotal experiences are different because I have exposed myself to different people and situations dealing with a cross section of people.
I think this discussion has been insightful seeing different people points of view.
On my last trip I wifed up with a pretty little thing from San Juan. At first she was a little shy and reserved. Once she got comfortable the sex was awesome. The sad thing for me is even with all this I still wanted to sport fuck. Wifing up in Sosua is never easy. Everywhere you go girls are trying to get your attention. I have stayed in contact with the little sweetie and I am planning another trip next month.
Last trip I ram into a 70 year old guy who has moved to the Sosua area. He was giving me advise on which girls gave best BJs and other inside info. When I first met him he was a rookie to the seen. While in the states 70 year old guys going to nursing home while this guy is banging 24 year old hotties. He was an obvious sugar daddy but he had the sugar and the girls wanted it.
I don't think people in Sosua are complaining about girls being late, you just step into the street and pick the next one. Get outside of Sosua and that dynamic changes. Also it's a difference between a girl coming for an hour fuck and a girl coming for a date and maybe spending the night. The conversation started because mostly girls in SD were always late.Exactly how do you rationalize that no people in Sosua have cpmplained about chicas in Sosua being late? That doesn't even sound logical.
You speak on how Sosua used to be and I agree but the hustle was respected back then with a code. Now we are seeing stinking pussies, girls doing CBJ, and girls rushing out. It's all about the fast dollar.Actually, I wasnt focused on how Sosua used to be. Thats too broad a subject. I mentioned Sosua and the DR in general in regards to how chicas were more likely to be somewhere on time. How did you end up re interpreting what I said to be only about how Sosua used to be? I don't know what hustle or code you are referring to in regards to chicas showing up on time. I mean it sounds good. But what exactly does that mean practically? Please explain?. IMO it's simple. Chicas commonly showed up on time, because they wanted to get paid and / or reap the benefits from the foreigner. And in enough instances they were motivated because they were competing with other women. That is still going on, it's just that lateness and no shows seem to be an epidemic. Thats not just in Sosua, thats all over.
It's one of the disadvantages about living in a tourist trap, it sugarcoats the DR experience. Step outside the tourist areas where you have thousands of options, can dictate terms, and spend time in other areas. Then you will notice patience and understanding are the only way of survival for a gringo.Disadvantage? Tourist trap? Sugarcoats the DR experience? I guess whatever you are talking about would be seen as a disadvantage or a tourist trap, for you. Or someone ill prepared. IMO a person that needs to step outside somewhere to find options (outside of an option rich environment) , is the person who is searching for something they have not found within. Thats not a good or a bad thing. It's their choice. Personally I'm quite content with life living in the DR and Sosua particularly. The beauty of this, is that we all can only think in one head. How you think my life or any person living in Sosua is, does not necessarily result in my or their reality. You may not want to accept that, but that is the way it is.
Understanding in the DR is a guy you don't know delivering your lost keys, saving you from changing the locks or making new keys, and eliminating you of the worry of a future attempted burglary, and offering a worthy reward. Not a two dollar reward which it would have cost you to replace just one key. Not trying to understand would be you trying to impose your American values and say you would have returned them for free.Wait a second? Arent you trying to impose your standard of reward on me of what you think I should have paid the guy?
Let me explain how living here works as opposed to someone who visits. I'm not going to give the guy who brings me my keys the money designated for the guy who found my keys. You can rest assured the finder might not get the money. Now let me ask you this. How much did I pay the guy who actually found my keys? Yeah that's right, I found out exactly who it was. Ya see, you wouldn't ask that question because you arent focused on how I assessed the situation. Moreover, I gave the guy who brought me my keys the option of telling me what he wanted. And he refused to tell me. I'm not going to fall into no gringo trap of giving some guy more than what's enough. I gave him 100 pesos initially. He can eat with that, or get almost a tanks worth of gas in his motorcycle. If he wanted more he had a mouth, he could have spoke up. Instead he started acting like a scammer.
Do you recall the incident I shared a few months ago here where one of my scooters caught a flat? I mentioned here that the moto that stopped and went to seek help asked me for 100 pesos for his trouble. He didn't sit there telling me how much money I would have paid if he hadn't come along. What he asked for was fair to him, and it was fair to me. Then the time I ran out of gas in town with my golf car, and another moto went and got gas. I gave him I think 150 pesos and he was happy about that. I live in the DR now, and I know how much value locals place on things others take for granted. I handled things according to where I was and who I was dealing with. Not how you propose I should have handled it.
You have to make the adjustment bro, because you are playing a losing game and the outcome will be you getting frustrated and blaming the Dominicans (we see that always in your posts). Life in the DR will never change to meet your standards.I beg to differ. I think you need to make the adjustment and stop trying to assume how an individual lives, thinks or operates using limited information provided on a message board. "Blaming the Dominicans (we see that always in your posts). ".
Ya know, I can see why Camaro as cool and collective as he is on this board and in person, has got to the point where he's less inclined to post. Oh well, that's just how it is.
P.S. You are stuck in your comfort zone you have created, and analysing everything based on Sosua but I really think you need to relocate to another real DR city to get a new perspective. Peace.Yes I have a comfort zone. You say stuck? If my visiting several cities in the DR like last year, and years past is stuck in my comfort zone, I guess I'm guilty as charged. Obviously one would think that, if all they have to go on is my board participation. Exactly what is analyzing EVERYTHING based on Sosua consist of? I think you are exaggerating and distorting things again. Ad hominem. Attacking the person, not the perspective.
No bruh, it's more like this. I think you are stuck in judgement without understanding zone. I believe your goal in responding is not to understand, but to pick certain things apart if it doesn't meet your approval or strikes a cord. The key thing that exposes that, is that you never ask questions or even prove anything that's said is wrong, unfounded or does not apply somewhere. Ya know why? Because the perspective you contrive is not the individuals but your distorted version. Nobody lives their life on a message board. There fore there is no way you can make an accurate assessment of what someone else supposedly needs, should or shouldnt do, how they operate or how they think.
Brother,
I'm not getting into a long discussion on this with you, you say my posts don't make sense, then you say you don't understand. You are a very intelligent guy so it's time to analyze posts for meaning not for discussion.
Read Frannies, Camaro and my post again and maybe you will get what we are saying, if not then so be it.
Brother,
I'm not getting into a long discussion on this with you, you say my posts don't make sense, then you say you don't understand. You are a very intelligent guy so it's time to analyze posts for meaning not for discussion.
Read Frannies, Camaro and my post again and maybe you will get what we are saying, if not then so be it.The fallacies of what I supposedly said just keep coming and coming. Exactly when did I tell you that YOUR posts don't make sense, and that I do not understand? In my last post in the very beginning, I said "Exactly how do you rationalize that no people in Sosua have complained about chicas in Sosua being late? That doesn't even sound logical. ".
How does that translate today into "your posts don't make sense, you do not understand?" What posts are you talking about? Is there someone else posting in my name? I asked you a question for clarification on how you came up with that. How do you know I don't or won't understand if you won't or can't explain it?
In fact I asked you several key questions based on the points you made for clarification. And I also pointed out my rationale and reasoning on how I handled a matter regarding my keys. My point is bruh. If you choose to make disparaging remarks (subtle, obvious or in presupposition) concerning a fellow board member, at least be prepared to back up what you say with reasons and rationale to support it when asked. Especially when you do not have personal experience seeing how that person operates day to day.
And after you get some quality feedback, be willing to acknowledge that difference in perspective from yours, as possibly being valid to whom it applies to, even if you don't like it or agree with it. Thats how folks have meaningful discussions. Don't just settle for, you don't want to get into a long discussion.
When you say you don't know the word " hustle" it's not a whole lot to explain further. You can figure it out if you want but you are going to dissect it for irrelevant inspection. What context was it used, who said it, what day of the week was it said on and was it a full moon? I chose not to play those games, common sense is needed only.
Not logical to me is the same as doesn't make sense, but you want to twist it to mean something completely different. One is something someone book smart might say and the other is something someone else might say.
It's irrelevant because I'm tired already from this and I can only read the first paragraph of your posts. You win I quit.
I was shocked by the airline costs. This is considered low season but the prices are 20% higher. In May I paid 380 for a round trip to SD The same trip in July is $600. I search airlines like my life depends on it. I am a guy who has no problem flying Spirit or any other airline if the price is right. This trip I am splitting airlines. United has flight into POP for $306 and arrives at 12:30. This gives me a full day on the ground, The round trip on United was $815. So I booked my return on Spirit flying out of SD $280 leaving at 4 pm total about $600. This total is about $200 more then my last trip. I had a great time on my last trip and plan improve upon it on this one. I plan to see the novia from my last trip but know I will be horn dogging for some new stuff.
I was shocked by the airline costs. This is considered low season but the prices are 20% higher. In May I paid 380 for a round trip to SD The same trip in July is $600. I search airlines like my life depends on it. I am a guy who has no problem flying Spirit or any other airline if the price is right. This trip I am splitting airlines. United has flight into POP for $306 and arrives at 12:30. This gives me a full day on the ground, The round trip on United was $815. So I booked my return on Spirit flying out of SD $280 leaving at 4 pm total about $600. This total is about $200 more then my last trip.The airlines have finally got their act together and demanded planes be designed for their routes instead of taking what Airbus and Boeing served up and trying to figure out where each plane works. I've had a more than a few flights on the shinny new Boeing 737-800's. That version of Boeing most popular line of aircraft it's ever build is a game changer. Increased seat density, lower fuel costs and high load factors are all working to make increasing profits for the airlines and higher prices for us.
Here is a quote from Airline Economic Analysis for 2015 - 2016: "Airlines have become better at matching capacity to consumer demand during the past decade, maintaining high load factors in both peak and off-peak times. Record load factors in the past two years are largely the result of airlines stimulating off-peak demand and maintaining or reducing unnecessary off-peak capacity".
They are in the drivers seat right now. I just flew back to the US on Delta and paid the most I've ever paid. I paid more than I did to fly first class into Santo Domingo. We are paying all that money and service on US airlines is still horrible. I'm thinking about just putting up the extra money taking Copa and flying through Panama when visiting Latin America from now on. I'm wondering out loud if my presidents proposal to sell off the AirTraffic control system into private hands will affect ticket prices, profitability and safety of airline travel. It's a great time for the shareholders of the airlines. But not such a great time just be a contributor to their bottom line though the prices you pay for tickets and ancillary (love that word) fees.
Not logical to me is the same as doesn't make sense, but you want to twist it to mean something completely different. One is something someone book smart might say and the other is something someone else might say.
It's irrelevant because I'm tired already from this and I can only read the first paragraph of your posts. You win I quit.What do they call this type of deflection? The Red Herring? Or is it the Straw Man? So your concern is more about me saying a particular statement doesn't sound logical and acting like the semantics of that is the issue here, Of course that's not the issue. Its more about you realized that you can't really substantiate or explain how to apply that statement in practical terms? I mean how could you know that no people in Sosua have ever complained about girls being late? I only asked a simple question, and the focus got deflected immediately. I do know the reasoning behind that.
I dont think people in Sosua are complaining about girls being late.Me saying your statement doesn't sound logical was never stopping you from being able to explain how you came up with that. How can I twist what you mean, if you haven't even explained it yet? Thats the purpose for me asking you to explain it. Not able or willing to show how to apply your statement, that is where the problem is going to be. If I were in your position I would probably be at a lost for words as well. But to save face, I might have handled it differently.
When you say you don't know the word " hustle" it's not a whole lot to explain further. You can figure it out if you want but you are going to dissect it for irrelevant inspection. What context was it used, who said it, what day of the week was it said on and was it a full moon? I chose not to play those games, common sense is needed only.Inaccurate. I never said I don't know the word hustle. I said
I don't know what hustle or code you are referring to in regards to chicas showing up on time. I mean it sounds good. But what exactly does that mean practically? Please explain?.
I do not see anything in that quote saying I do not understand the word hustle. I asked you to explain point blank WHAT hustle or code you are referring to? Especially in regards to chicas showing up on time, as I was addressing. The Red Herring/Straw Man again.
Let me explain where I can go with all of this. You've made some distinct unsubstantiated remarks regarding my participation on these boards, and your disapproval and criticisms, including off base assumptions of my dealings with certain situations with dominicans / locals that I addressed. The same way you made blanket unsubstantiated statements you may try to assign to me or others, is the same way some of your other statements come off.
Normally, I wouldn't need to address this, but since you kinda made it personal, as if you are some victim from the relentless WRX. I thought I'd illustrate in an exchange with you, just how baseless your attempts are at pigeon holing is, just because you may not agree or like what you think their POV is. And if someone were to follow your line of posting and question it, there really is no answer you can give to support some of the things you put out there. Especially where what you say goes off on a tangent, and doesn't even address what the person was talking about.
And I urge you to pay attention to that, even if it isn't obvious to you. When do you see me initiating criticisms of you or making disparaging statements about your perspective for any of your content? Making up stuff about how you operate with Cubans, or locals in BC, SD or where ever? I don't initiate posts like that towards you. I avoid doing that in general. I may make my points or question something, but I keep it general, and to where it applies. Not personal. Sure I'm long winded, but I do not mean to direct my focus personally towards anybody on these boards, unless they address me a certain way. You crossed that line. You should always keep things general, not personal. Especially if you make statements you can't possibly substantiate.
And like I said before. If you had demonstrated an inkling of trying to understand my POV, instead of making up your mind that I need to do this, I need to do that, you might come off as sincere. How come you never ask for feedback, and clarity to make sure your criticisms are correct,applicable? Thats the one thing lacking in your arsenal of engagement in discussion/debate. When called on the carpet, you decide that you can't go on anymore. I know deep down you are better than that. Have a lot more to offer when it comes to mutual communication for understanding. Do you even want mutual understanding when you criticize a perspective?
What I'm writing here isn't just for your benefit. Many folks can relate to folks who come at them with that undercurrent of disdain for the other persons alleged and re-interpreted perspective, and then pretend to play the victim role when the target refuses to accept that being peed on is just another form of rain.
It's never personal bro, don't be so sensitive. But what I will do is join the masses and not respond to any of you posts. Maybe one day you will look at the posts of the only two people who responded to you and see that they gave you good advice.
Manizales911
06-06-17, 16:42
My head hurts reading all of this.
My head hurts reading all of this.You mean you actually read it all? That is called taking one for the team.
I have met WRX and it was very pleasant. However I must say I almost never agree with anything he say or his perceptions. I have committed my self to not engaging him because he takes criticism to heart. Now that he lives in the DR I have noticed he has mellowed. Initially he perceived all chicas as scammers and not to be trusted. I would just recommend not debating his views because there is no win in it.
I have met WRX and it was very pleasant. However I must say I almost never agree with anything he say or his perceptions. I have committed my self to not engaging him because he takes criticism to heart. Now that he lives in the DR I have noticed he has mellowed. Initially he perceived all chicas as scammers and not to be trusted. I would just recommend not debating his views because there is no win in it.As Spock would say with one raised eyebrow. Interesting.
Manizales911
06-08-17, 01:36
You mean you actually read it all? That is called taking one for the team.My post was made somewhat tongue in cheek, I've hung with WRX a couple times and he has a lot of knowledge of Sosua so yeah, I read all of it.
Camaro1257
06-08-17, 01:44
Are all Dominicans alike?
I will state again my post are not intended for contention just to share some of my perspectives as I immerse myself in Dominican culture.
It never ceases to amaze me when I speak about some of my experiences with Dominican women with other Dominican women the response is always "todas las mujeres no son iguales" in the beginning I didn't have a come back but now I say " yo se pero la mayoria son similar. ".
I have been giving this issue a lot of thought. Much of my time outside of chicas is spent with other extranjeros specifically ex pats who live here and the majority of us have the same types of experiences however it seems that there are several factors that determine what type of experience we will have.
1. Family background, is it a two parent household and what role does the father play in the family? Is the family religious and to what degree do they practice their religion? Since the first set of values comes from the family I find this to be very important.
2. Socio economic class, Dominican society is similar to American society in that there is a upper class, middle class, working class and poor class. The difference between the Dominican Republic and the United States is that in the Dominican Republic is the disparity between the classes is much greater. What I have personally discovered is that if a woman in working my interaction with her is generally different than if she is not.
3. Level of education is very important also, I have met women in their late 20's who have not completed high school due to pregnancy, being married or other circumstances of life. There is a direct correlation between education and success in life regardless as to what country you are from. I realize there are many college educated Dominicans that are unemployed but those who have not completed high school have less hope for the future.
My conclusion is that if I only deal with Dominican women from broken families of low socio-economic status who are uneducated I will generally get the same results. Admittedly the majority of my experiences are similar, but when I have different experiences with Dominican women it is likely due to one of the 3 above factors. Although it is difficult stepping outside my comfort zone I am enjoying the challenge.
Camaro1257
06-08-17, 12:24
Are all Gringos alike?
I know this is going to sound corny but I did not start out mongering in the Dominican Republic. I volunteered and contributed to the Dream Project which is an NGO that helps under privileged children in Cabarette. I have also studied Spanish in Cabarette where I met other non-mongers. There are several religious groups to include Mormans and Jehovah's Witnesses that are scattered throughout the Island evangelizing and helping Dominican people.
I have met Dominicans who lack respect for extranjeros and think that we all are mongers looking to take advantage of their women. They too think "todos LOS extranjeros son iguales" but to that I say "no no somos pero somos similar".
My point is that if a Dominican only deals with extranjeros who are chasing chicas throughout the Island they will think the same thing of us that we think of them.
Great posts Mr Camaro.
I've been studying ex pats for the last year trying to get a read on how they operate and maybe apply it to how I want to operate. I've noticed some ex pats just want to live out their golden years in paradise with a beach and girl everywhere that aren't complicated, and I respect that. But I'm also seeing a laziness in these guys that really turns me off. They are super cheap, wear the same shorts for a few days and have big bellies. Their lack of a workout program is obvious but maybe they don't feel physical fitness is a priority in paradise. Also their eating habits are terrible because usually they eat on a budget with rice, beans, and chicken. Not enough fruit and salad for these guys IMO.
Some ex pats fell in love with the first DR city they visited, set up there and never visited any place else because they were content. I see burnout hitting these dudes around the two year mark as paradise isn't what they thought and they look at other countries for a new paradise. Also these dudes will lose patience with the lack of good customer service and the lack of structure involving anything business related in that city. They also get a very negative feeling about most Dominicans and view most as vultures.
I attribute this to them not doing their homework. By doing your homework I'm talking about visiting several DR cities before you settle, going to Spanish school, learning Latin dance and even spending time visiting the campo to understand the diversity in living in the Dominican Republic. Get on the local gua gua and visit the barrio. Talk to the locals to understand their view even if it costs you a few pesos to begin with. Usually just buying them a beer will do it to break the ice. I'm probably in the minority but I think you owe the host country that you settle into the respect to make an attempt at understanding the ways and traditions. I see many ex pats who could care less about the cultural ways and only want cheap living, a beach and some pussy. I see expats that have lived there and can't speak but ten words of Spanish.
Last week I met a guy on Boca Chica beach from NY but he lives in the DR. What surprised me was that he didn't fit the ex pat standard operating manual. He has one of the finest girls I've ever seen in the DR with an Arabic / Indian look that speaks English and is in school studying to be an attorney. He pays handsomely for her and only fucks other top notch chics that he has no problem wining and dining and paying extremely for. He is 63 yo and has been coming to the DR for 20 years. He lives in another quiet beach town that has an ocean view apartment that is priced reasonably. He has residency and a gun permit. This guy spends money and doesn't know the meaning of "budget". He pays big for everything but has the best of everything. He is also well known and respected among other ex pats and if I say his name he will probably be recognized by some here. His quiet beach town is near a city that has many pretty women and is untouched by most ex pats and Americans are non existent he says in the DR you can write your own ticket but most ex pats settle before understanding that the whole island has something to offer. You can choose to be a cheap in your golden years or you can live very good. You can have hookers or you can have college students. You can take care of yourself or you can not give a fuck. He did everything top notch but I could never afford his lifestyle especially when it comes to girls.
All this goes into my thought process and I'm still doing my homework. Currently I'm liking possibly not living in an ex pat city because I would rather be around the locals and set my own way. I don't need the fellowship on a daily basis from ex pats who want to talk about politics back home or prove how smart and successful they have been in life, but won't buy a beer. Just me doing my research has been hard because most ex pats are secretive about giving up info to a visitor. For me its not about the beach, saving money or the girls. Those are a given, but for me its about understanding the culture and being appreciated by the Dominicans for making the attempt. Its something about when I speak my ghetto Spanish or Latin dance that makes the locals smile and not view me as some privileged gringo.
Camaro1257
06-08-17, 20:16
Great posts Mr Camaro.
I've been studying ex pats for the last year trying to get a read on how they operate and maybe apply it to how I want to operate. I've noticed some ex pats just want to live out their golden years in paradise with a beach and girl everywhere that aren't complicated, and I respect that. But I'm also seeing a laziness in these guys that really turns me off. They are super cheap, wear the same shorts for a few days and have big bellies. Their lack of a workout program is obvious but maybe they don't feel physical fitness is a priority in paradise. Also their eating habits are terrible because usually they eat on a budget with rice, beans, and chicken. Not enough fruit and salad for these guys IMO.
Some ex pats fell in love with the first DR city they visited, set up there and never visited any place else because they were content. I see burnout hitting these dudes around the two year mark as paradise isn't what they thought and they look at other countries for a new paradise. Also these dudes will lose patience with the lack of good customer service and the lack of structure involving anything business related in that city. They also get a very negative feeling about most Dominicans and view most as vultures.
I attribute this to them not doing their homework. By doing your homework I'm talking about visiting several DR cities before you settle, going to Spanish school, learning Latin dance and even spending time visiting the campo to understand the diversity in living in the Dominican Republic. Get on the local gua gua and visit the barrio. Talk to the locals to understand their view even if it costs you a few pesos to begin with. Usually just buying them a beer will do it to break the ice. I'm probably in the minority but I think you owe the host country that you settle into the respect to make an attempt at understanding the ways and traditions. I see many ex pats who could care less about the cultural ways and only want cheap living, a beach and some pussy. I see expats that have lived there and can't speak but ten words of Spanish.
Last week I met a guy on Boca Chica beach from NY but he lives in the DR. What surprised me was that he didn't fit the ex pat standard operating manual. He has one of the finest girls I've ever seen in the DR with an Arabic / Indian look that speaks English and is in school studying to be an attorney. He pays handsomely for her and only fucks other top notch chics that he has no problem wining and dining and paying extremely for. He is 63 yo and has been coming to the DR for 20 years. He lives in another quiet beach town that has an ocean view apartment that is priced reasonably. He has residency and a gun permit. This guy spends money and doesn't know the meaning of "budget". He pays big for everything but has the best of everything. He is also well known and respected among other ex pats and if I say his name he will probably be recognized by some here. His quiet beach town is near a city that has many pretty women and is untouched by most ex pats and Americans are non existent he says in the DR you can write your own ticket but most ex pats settle before understanding that the whole island has something to offer. You can choose to be a cheap in your golden years or you can live very good. You can have hookers or you can have college students. You can take care of yourself or you can not give a fuck. He did everything top notch but I could never afford his lifestyle especially when it comes to girls.
All this goes into my thought process and I'm still doing my homework. Currently I'm liking possibly not living in an ex pat city because I would rather be around the locals and set my own way. I don't need the fellowship on a daily basis from ex pats who want to talk about politics back home or prove how smart and successful they have been in life, but won't buy a beer. Just me doing my research has been hard because most ex pats are secretive about giving up info to a visitor. For me its not about the beach, saving money or the girls. Those are a given, but for me its about understanding the culture and being appreciated by the Dominicans for making the attempt. Its something about when I speak my ghetto Spanish or Latin dance that makes the locals smile and not view me as some privileged gringo.
When I first moved to the Dominican Republic I lived in Los Cerros which is the sector on the other side of Charamecos outside Sosua. It didn't take long for Sosua to get old but that's me other ex-pats love living there but not my cup of tea.
Puerto Plata is still a tourist town and close enough to Sosua where I can visit friends when they come to town. The other advantage to Puerto Plata is there is a small ex-pat community here we run into one another on the Malecon or in La Sirena and we can catch up. Sometimes you need to talk to somebody who is not Dominican. As much as I enjoy living here I know that I will NEVER be Dominican and I will always be an extranjero. "No soy Dominicano pero La Republica Dominicana es mi hogar. ".
I change my flavor by traveling frequently which I find very healthy having different experiences. At the end of the day you have to find what fits you best and enjoy.
I think for me it would be something I would look forward to occasionally, visiting ex Pat's, but not an every day thing. To each his own. I've decided to work one more year to build my ' Dr travel fund" so I won't have to skimp once I do retire completely.
I guess it's a question of do we retire to take it easy or do we retire to move on and create a new life. I'm yearning for the next chapter.
OK so. After listening to you guys, doing a tons of research, buying airplane ticket, and putting down $500 deposit, I have decided that DR is not right for me.
Charles Pooter, Mr. Enternational, you were right! It is highly uneconomical to pay close to $4 k for all-inclusive sex villa for 3 nights in DR.
I believe the business is legit, but I'm not staying at a 5-star private resort and the selection of girls ranged far outside of my minimum looks. I would not pay $4 k to stay in a decent villa rental and fuck 6's and 7's. Unless you are a dark-skin lover, it's extremely difficult find quality within justifiable cost.
It would be much better to spend that money to go to FKK in Germany or book a week trip to Thailand.
Your wisdom has been vindicated and I learned a costly lesson.
Being a monger is a hobby being an expat is a life style. I love my hobby but I am not sure I want to do it full time. The relationships I have as a monger are shallow and transient. Every expat is unique in their life style. There is no right or wrong way to do what we do. However I firmly believe there are best practices in anything you do in life. I personally try to maximize my experiences and enjoyment by being flexible. I wife up or sport fuck with equal glee. I like Camaro"s approach. I think he is open minded and is a good guy. I enjoy dancing, socializing and just being off the grid. I have a decent life out side of my mongering.
I think for me it would be something I would look forward to occasionally, visiting ex Pat's, but not an every day thing. To each his own. I've decided to work one more year to build my ' Dr travel fund" so I won't have to skimp once I do retire completely.
I guess it's a question of do we retire to take it easy or do we retire to move on and create a new life. I'm yearning for the next chapter.
Being a monger is a hobby being an expat is a life style. I love my hobby but I am not sure I want to do it full time. The relationships I have as a monger are shallow and transient. Every expat is unique in their life style. There is no right or wrong way to do what we do. However I firmly believe there are best practices in anything you do in life. I personally try to maximize my experiences and enjoyment by being flexible. I wife up or sport fuck with equal glee. I like Camaro"s approach. I think he is open minded and is a good guy. I enjoy dancing, socializing and just being off the grid. I have a decent life out side of my mongering.I also have a blessed life and I'm fortunate to be able to do anything I want but something is missing. I'm still relatively young and don't know if I will have this desire when I'm 60. You are in your 60's and content and I'm happy for you but their is a next chapter that challenges me.
Add to that the way I see thing's happening in America and this foreign journey I must take. Just reading Mr see reports make me want it more. Living in the DR with a weekend road trip and new experiences will fill my prescription. Not watching American TV where you have to filter through the bullshit to see what's real. Eating more naturally, meditating on the beach, morning walks with fresh air, dancing, laughing and then I can close the book and check into the old folks home with a smile on my face. No regrets about what I couldn't or didn't do.
Manizales911
06-09-17, 15:56
Great posts Mr Camaro.
I've been studying ex pats for the last year trying to get a read on how they operate and maybe apply it to how I want to operate. I've noticed some ex pats just want to live out their golden years in paradise with a beach and girl everywhere that aren't complicated, and I respect that. But I'm also seeing a laziness in these guys that really turns me off. They are super cheap, wear the same shorts for a few days and have big bellies. Their lack of a workout program is obvious but maybe they don't feel physical fitness is a priority in paradise. Also their eating habits are terrible because usually they eat on a budget with rice, beans, and chicken. Not enough fruit and salad for these guys IMO.
I love living in Sosua. I have lived in Colombia, Manizales specifically and missed the interaction with fellow gringos, you can try to assimilate into the latino culture until you are blue in the face but you will never be part of their culture and will always be a gringo, you will make many friends but at the end of the day you are an outsider, period. I disagree with your vision of the gringos in Sosua, some fit your description but many do not, it is a matter of picking the right friends. And why do I care if one of my expat friends goes to the gym or not and is out of shape, hahaha. I have friends that are cheap and I have friends that throw money all around, personally I prefer to hang with guys somewhere in the middle. I have met some guys here that I would never hang out with for one reason or another as we all know that Sosua is the land of the misfit toys but there are hundreds of normal people here too and I have surrounded myself with a great group of friends both expats and locals and we enjoy ourselves, the last few years have been the best of my life. I still go back to the states and to Colombia a few times a year and that helps me with my sanity, I would be lying if I said that I didn't have to get away once in awhile but less and less as time goes by. I think we all agree that one size doesn't fit all and the best thing is to do whatever you are comfortable with, right now for me that is Sosua and the DR in general. I'm going to spend a few weeks in Las Terrenas soon, I know a few expats that live there and love it, if I like it then I'll go for a few months and really get a feel for living there.
I wanted some feedback from guys living in the DR and a few who decided not to, and I got it. Much as appreciated.
Where one sets up residence is a choice. But it doesn't define the individual.
As for expats like myself that have traveled within the country (DR over the last 9 years), I'm relatively certain they have already gained more awareness and a perspective of how things are outside of their immediate environment where they currently LIVE.
I realize some folks are somewhat uncertain themselves about how someone else can leave the environment they were accustomed to, to live abroad like most expats. While it is understandable how one might develop or have concerns that living in one place in a foreign country is some sort of detriment to ones growth. (stuck in a comfort zone). I see beyond that scope.
For expats that have made the ultimate move / sacrifice to liquidate almost everything they own, and basically transition themselves from living in the country they resided in almost all of their lives, they arent criminals or unsavory characters trying to escape from the law or duty; I call that the ultimate example of someone not stuck in any zone, but a major accomplishment in life. A life changer.
One of the benefits of being an expat is that you get to put aside many of the worries and concerns you used to have living in your former Matrix, and instead embrace the things that make your life more like one big fat vacation. Plus you have a passport that lets you travel almost anywhere you want when you get good and ready. That is a comfort zone I do not mind being stuck in.
Thanks for the insight bro. Great straight to the point post that I enjoyed reading. It's not about bashing Sosua, it's about you sharing your ex Pat's experience.
I love living in Sosua. I have lived in Colombia, Manizales specifically and missed the interaction with fellow gringos, you can try to assimilate into the latino culture until you are blue in the face but you will never be part of their culture and will always be a gringo, you will make many friends but at the end of the day you are an outsider, period. I disagree with your vision of the gringos in Sosua, some fit your description but many do not, it is a matter of picking the right friends. And why do I care if one of my expat friends goes to the gym or not and is out of shape, hahaha. I have friends that are cheap and I have friends that throw money all around, personally I prefer to hang with guys somewhere in the middle. I have met some guys here that I would never hang out with for one reason or another as we all know that Sosua is the land of the misfit toys but there are hundreds of normal people here too and I have surrounded myself with a great group of friends both expats and locals and we enjoy ourselves, the last few years have been the best of my life. I still go back to the states and to Colombia a few times a year and that helps me with my sanity, I would be lying if I said that I didn't have to get away once in awhile but less and less as time goes by. I think we all agree that one size doesn't fit all and the best thing is to do whatever you are comfortable with, right now for me that is Sosua and the DR in general. I'm going to spend a few weeks in Las Terrenas soon, I know a few expats that live there and love it, if I like it then I'll go for a few months and really get a feel for living there.Excellent post!
However I believe the issue you might be dealing with here is, some folks do not believe you should ever be comfortable living in Sosua. Because of their issues with it, and perhaps their understanding that nothing is correct unless it meets their approval. Your reality is irrelevant. Your reality of life in Sosua has been defined for you already. Nothing you say is going to help change their perspective of what life means to you in Sosua.
I love living in Sosua. I have lived in Colombia, Manizales specifically and missed the interaction with fellow gringos, you can try to assimilate into the latino culture until you are blue in the face but you will never be part of their culture and will always be a gringo, you will make many friends but at the end of the day you are an outsider, period. I disagree with your vision of the gringos in Sosua, some fit your description but many do not, it is a matter of picking the right friends. And why do I care if one of my expat friends goes to the gym or not and is out of shape, hahaha. I have friends that are cheap and I have friends that throw money all around, personally I prefer to hang with guys somewhere in the middle. I have met some guys here that I would never hang out with for one reason or another as we all know that Sosua is the land of the misfit toys but there are hundreds of normal people here too and I have surrounded myself with a great group of friends both expats and locals and we enjoy ourselves, the last few years have been the best of my life. I still go back to the states and to Colombia a few times a year and that helps me with my sanity, I would be lying if I said that I didn't have to get away once in awhile but less and less as time goes by. I think we all agree that one size doesn't fit all and the best thing is to do whatever you are comfortable with, right now for me that is Sosua and the DR in general. I'm going to spend a few weeks in Las Terrenas soon, I know a few expats that live there and love it, if I like it then I'll go for a few months and really get a feel for living there.Thanks for replying Mani, but I had to examine my original post to see where guys had the impression that I was talking specifically about Sosua and I didn't see "Sosua" anywhere in my original post. I appreciate the feedback from you and Camaro and others because that's what this board is about.
With that said, I have only returned to Sosua one time in the last 18 months and guys who know me personally along with guys who read this board probably know that I have been visiting Boca Chica (a beach town) exclusively for the last two years. Most of my observations have been while in Boca Chica and SD. I like your interest in Las Terrenas as I have also heard many good things about it.
For the record my main gripe about Sosua is that I can't fly there for 289 usd anymore. With flights running 660 verses 320 to SDQ if have been forced to relocate. You and Camaro have reinforced my belief that its best to keep all options open and enjoy everything the island has to offer. Again, much thanks.
SavePros321
06-10-17, 18:53
Last week I met a guy on Boca Chica beach from NY but he lives in the DR. What surprised me was that he didn't fit the ex pat standard operating manual. He has one of the finest girls I've ever seen in the DR with an Arabic / Indian look that speaks English and is in school studying to be an attorney. He pays handsomely for her and only fucks other top notch chics that he has no problem wining and dining and paying extremely for. He is 63 yo and has been coming to the DR for 20 years. He lives in another quiet beach town that has an ocean view apartment that is priced reasonably. He has residency and a gun permit. This guy spends money and doesn't know the meaning of "budget". He pays big for everything but has the best of everything. He is also well known and respected among other ex pats and if I say his name he will probably be recognized by some here. His quiet beach town is near a city that has many pretty women and is untouched by most ex pats and Americans are non existent he says in the DR you can write your own ticket but most ex pats settle before understanding that the whole island has something to offer. You can choose to be a cheap in your golden years or you can live very good. You can have hookers or you can have college students. You can take care of yourself or you can not give a fuck. He did everything top notch but I could never afford his lifestyle especially when it comes to girls.This that you have detailed is the ultimate end game. It's one of the reasons I have curtailed the amount of trips I take per year. Who doesn't hate hearing "okay, ride's over boss" after your trip and realizing you have to return to the Matrix? I still have many years before retirement, but I sure as hell am not trying to wait until age 59 1/2 to enjoy paradise for the rest of my life. So I am doing a few side hustles here and there, cutting down on frivolous spending, and getting rid of consumer debt so that I can do all I can to cash out early.
I'm looking forward to that day when I buy my one-way ticket out of the matrix, never to return.
This that you have detailed is the ultimate end game. It's one of the reasons I have curtailed the amount of trips I take per year. Who doesn't hate hearing "okay, ride's over boss" after your trip and realizing you have to return to the Matrix? I still have many years before retirement, but I sure as hell am not trying to wait until age 59 1/2 to enjoy paradise for the rest of my life. So I am doing a few side hustles here and there, cutting down on frivolous spending, and getting rid of consumer debt so that I can do all I can to cash out early.
I'm looking forward to that day when I buy my one-way ticket out of the matrix, never to return.Thanks for the hit on the back channel today bro. I received some great feedback from the posters here mostly on the positive tip. You have always been advanced for your years and will be successful on any endeavor you take in the future. My journey is made complicated by me needing to maintain two residences but I need that backup escape. We are also alike because we have no fear going the solo route. You took on Colombia on your own and never looked back. I took on Cuba solo sneaking in the backdoor through the Cayman Islands and made it my other spot.
BTW, Trump will be announcing his new Cuba policy in Miami Friday and he is expected to make it harder to travel there, so if you haven't already gone it will now be made difficult.
Camaro1257
06-30-17, 14:12
Soy Haiba.
Recently I was talking to one of my Sosua chics and she said the word on the street is that I am "tacano-cheap" and a "haiba. " Haiba is a Dominican word for crab but it is also used as slang in Sosua for an extranjero who is cheap and doesn't spend a lot of money.
There are guys who are paying 5-7000 pesos for Sosua chics but they do not understand there is a difference between a novice turitsa and a experienced traveler or ex-pat so I am "hiaba. " Well those chicken head Sosua chics can kiss my HAIBA ass. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Soy Haiba.
Recently I was talking to one of my Sosua chics and she said the word on the street is that I am "tacano-cheap" and a "haiba. " Haiba is a Dominican word for crab but it is also used as slang in Sosua for an extranjero who is cheap and doesn't spend a lot of money.
There are guys who are paying 5-7000 pesos for Sosua chics but they do not understand there is a difference between a novice turitsa and a experienced traveler or ex-pat so I am "hiaba. " Well those chicken head Sosua chics can kiss my HAIBA ass. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Now ask her how much the natives pay.
I'll be going to Santiago mid January when it's slow. Anybody been to bani I heard they have some beautiful women there.
Charles Pooter
07-01-17, 15:50
Soy Haiba.
Thanks Camaro. A new one to me, but never too late to improve my Dominicanese. I tried it out on the Malecon yesterday in an appropriate context and had the chicas in stitches.
If I understood them correctly a haiba is a freshwater crab as opposed to the usual salt-water crabs (cangrejos).
The pros have a different perspectives then girls working 40 plus hours for 6 k pesos per month In real jobs. '. The girls who have jobs are thrilled with 1500 pesos. It is a weeks pays for 2 hours. You have to pay a pro serious cash to get them excited. Experienced guys are not trying to impress pros by over paying.
Soy Haiba.
Recently I was talking to one of my Sosua chics and she said the word on the street is that I am "tacano-cheap" and a "haiba. " Haiba is a Dominican word for crab but it is also used as slang in Sosua for an extranjero who is cheap and doesn't spend a lot of money.
There are guys who are paying 5-7000 pesos for Sosua chics but they do not understand there is a difference between a novice turitsa and a experienced traveler or ex-pat so I am "hiaba. " Well those chicken head Sosua chics can kiss my HAIBA ass. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Tempoecorto
07-01-17, 19:44
If I understood them correctly a haiba is a freshwater crab as opposed to the usual salt-water crabs (cangrejos).Good to learn two different words distinguishing a salt water from a fresh water crab. One wonders why that would be required though given that I have never eaten a crab in that land (by the way, anyone interested in crab should look for Sri Lankan crabs, in Singapore). Indeed finding fresh (not the parrot fish or tilapia in the freezer) fish is already a challenge in a coastal town and has always puzzled me but I digress.
In May when I was in Sosua, I paid a woman 1000 pesos for each of her visits. I met her several times, mostly at the hotel but I visited her apartment one time and as luck would have it, her 5/6 year old daughter was already knocking on the door getting back from school, by the time I was done. The point is, Old kool is right, who wants the hassle of the pros? There are plenty of regular women around. Of course, they would not be in for porn quality sex (which I never cared for; Humping for one hour in 500 positions as dictated by the Kama Sutra) but the fun to me, is in wooing a regular person, ideally with a job as well to understand the value proposition.
Manizales911
07-02-17, 01:42
In May when I was in Sosua, I paid a woman 1000 pesos for each of her visits. The point is, Old kool is right, who wants the hassle of the pros? If you paid her 1000 pesos multiple times I have news for you, she's a hoe plain and simple.
Soy Haiba.
Recently I was talking to one of my Sosua chics and she said the word on the street is that I am "tacano-cheap" and a "haiba. " Haiba is a Dominican word for crab but it is also used as slang in Sosua for an extranjero who is cheap and doesn't spend a lot of money.
There are guys who are paying 5-7000 pesos for Sosua chics but they do not understand there is a difference between a novice turitsa and a experienced traveler or ex-pat so I am "hiaba. " Well those chicken head Sosua chics can kiss my HAIBA ass. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!The will never TAX my ass for anything like that! The most I ever paid for a trick when I was there was 2000 pesos. And the only reason I paid that was because the girl eat the girl I brought with me and I faced me.
Mr Enternational
07-02-17, 03:46
If you paid her 1000 pesos multiple times I have news for you, she's a hoe plain and simple.Semi-hoe I think you meant to say.
Tempoecorto
07-02-17, 03:59
If you paid her 1000 pesos multiple times I have news for you, she's a hoe plain and simple.Thanks for the news! Personally I have nothing against the "pros" except that some might behave as prima donnas which does not float my boat. The H word, much to your liking, made you miss the essential point I was making though: that one does not have to impress the "pros" that line up in front of the various discos at night in Sosua, paying them many multiples of what I paid. There are plenty of semi-pros going about. Disclaimer, I have had a few "regular women" including one that works security at the airport, that moonlight as "you know what"!
If you paid her 1000 pesos multiple times I have news for you, she's a hoe plain and simple.No one will ever resolve this issue, because people have different ideas in their heads as to what constitutes a hoe. For some people it is any woman who has sex with a man for any kind of material gain, and not just for love or lust, and for others it is a woman whose sole source of income is from selling sex, or a woman who charges a specific fee for a specific sex act.
Of course hoe is not a legal term, it is just a slang term, so it can mean whatever you want it to mean.
Charles Pooter
07-02-17, 16:32
If I understood them correctly a haiba is a freshwater crab as opposed to the usual salt-water crabs (cangrejos).Let us stop this nonsense about chicas and get back to the important stuff, the crabs.
Finally got round to googling it and found out that:
Black mark for Camaro: it is spelled jaiba and is feminine.
Black mark for me: it is a marine species though is also found in river estuaries so perhaps more freshwater tolerant than normal crabs.
Tempoecorto
07-02-17, 21:42
Let us stop this nonsense about chicas and get back to the important stuff, the crabs. Finally got round to googling it and found out that:
Black mark for Camaro: it is spelled jaiba and is feminine.
Black mark for me: it is a marine species though is also found in river estuaries so perhaps more freshwater tolerant than normal crabs.Don't be too hard on yourself and Camaro! Apparently the same matter had (perhaps still does) buffeted other bright minds as well, on DR1.
Malko's recent mention of jaiba inspired this thread. I had always understood la jaiba to be the Dominican term for a crustacean found in rivers and streams (de agua dulce). While LOS cangrejos (crabs) are their counterparts from the sea. I was recently told by a family member from Moca that I have it backwards. Apr 10,2013.
Jaiba vs. Cangrejo - ********. ********/ forums / showthread. Php /132439-Jaiba-vs-Cangrejo.
Most likely we need a Marine Biologist to solve this dilemma!
Charles Pooter
07-03-17, 04:55
Most likely we need a Marine Biologist to solve this dilemma!No, it is not that difficult. Salt-waterly speaking, cangrejos are the hard-core pros and jaibas are the semi-pros. If a crab enters a fresh-water river-mouth several times in the same week, she's a jaiba.
Mr Enternational
07-03-17, 06:56
Got a new chick that is a University professor of Industrial Engineering in Puerto Plata. She said they pay 392 pesos per hour. For her it equals out to 35,000 pesos per month. If she worked in a factory it would be 40,000 pesos per month, but a lot more hours of work.
Camaro1257
07-03-17, 13:16
Jaiba o Haiba.
After reading all the comments I am thinking "got to love this group". Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Soy Haiba.
Recently I was talking to one of my Sosua chics and she said the word on the street is that I am "tacano-cheap" and a "haiba. " Haiba is a Dominican word for crab but it is also used as slang in Sosua for an extranjero who is cheap and doesn't spend a lot of money.
There are guys who are paying 5-7000 pesos for Sosua chics but they do not understand there is a difference between a novice turitsa and a experienced traveler or ex-pat so I am "hiaba. " Well those chicken head Sosua chics can kiss my HAIBA ass. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!I'm pretty sure I've earned my cheap label long ago. I still get unknown chicas approaching me from time to time, begging for pesos, drinks or food.
And since I know there is a thin line between them actually appreciating a kind gesture vs them calling a guy cheap, I usually decline. You will get labeled cheap in an instant. However, I'd rather them show me how they really feel towards me, than me giving in, disillusioned into thinking that they actually appreciated my offering. Even though they may have meant it to be negative, I flip it, to mean that I must being doing something right.
Many of us are employing several women a month, new chicas as well as rotating regulars. At that rate one has to be wise (cheap) about how much he spends. They have two choices. They can either deal with the program or move on. There are always new prospects for us and them.
Ath Trainer
07-04-17, 17:57
I'm pretty sure I've earned my cheap label long ago. I still get unknown chicas approaching me from time to time, begging for pesos, drinks or food.
And since I know there is a thin line between them actually appreciating a kind gesture vs them calling a guy cheap, I usually decline. You will get labeled cheap in an instant. However, I'd rather them show me how they really feel towards me, than me giving in, disillusioned into thinking that they actually appreciated my offering. Even though they may have meant it to be negative, I flip it, to mean that I must being doing something right.
Many of us are employing several women a month, new chicas as well as rotating regulars. At that rate one has to be wise (cheap) about how much he spends. They have two choices. They can either deal with the program or move on. There are always new prospects for us and them.I was walking back to the Tijuana / USA border, and gave a little kid, by himself. A quarter. Wiyhin 2 minutes, I had a swarm of kids approaching me, with their hand out. First and last time.
Tempoecorto
07-04-17, 18:10
Got a new chick that is a University professor of Industrial Engineering in Puerto Plata. She said they pay 392 pesos per hour. For her it equals out to 35,000 pesos per month. If she worked in a factory it would be 40,000 pesos per month, but a lot more hours of work.I met a few who are "studying" industrial engineering and so when I asked them about their algebra and calculus skills, they flinched. Go figure them running a Operations Research algorithm.
Just to interject a dose of reality: I know two in Santiago that works in call centers (handling mostly Hispanics but some English as well) and just yesterday one wrote that the boss did not pay the incentive she earned and this holiday extended weekend, they don't work and no pay either! She makes 3200 pesos per week including 500 pesos of incentive.
Mr Enternational
07-04-17, 18:21
I was walking back to the Tijuana / USA border, and gave a little kid, by himself. A quarter. Wiyhin 2 minutes, I had a swarm of kids approaching me, with their hand out. First and last time.I usually bring snacks to pass out to them, but no dough!
I was walking back to the Tijuana / USA border, and gave a little kid, by himself. A quarter. Wiyhin 2 minutes, I had a swarm of kids approaching me, with their hand out. First and last time.When I 1st started coming to Sosua, I used to give kids change without them having to ask. I'd over pay the shoe shine boys for their services. Or give them change from time to time. What I noticed is that they would roll out the red carpet when it came to greeting me. But wouldn't say two words to my buddy who was with me, but who wasnt giving them anything.
They would praise me, call me their father, want to hang around, the whole nine. As part of my learning curve, I began to realize that many locals were doing the same thing. All friendly and shit in the begininng, because they see you as a potential resource to gain from. However, once I shut all of that down, but continued with the pleasantries, they all eventually parted company. No longer would I get those warm greetings or "daps" when they saw me. Instead they had a look of disdain for me because I wasnt giving them anything anymore. Especially what they hadn't earned. Why the change? Well once enough of them see no use for you (or you no use for them) , or can't get anything from you, they have no reason to keep up the pretense. Interesting though, enough of them have no shame in letting you see their fake sincerity and fake friendship towards others in their sights.
These folks take this shit seriously. It's their job to get whatever they can. By any means they deem necessary. Conning, shaming, using children, shortchanging you, cheating you, sharing stories of their sorted past, hoping you will take them as being honest. Honest enough for you to share a few pesos or buy a meal. They can and do that shit everyday, meanwhile keeping their money for their own indulgences.
I usually bring snacks to pass out to them, but no dough!I recall the one kid that stopped a guy, asking for food. It was in front of New Garden. The guy pulled a fresh banana out of his backpack, and gave it to him. Once the guy turned his back to leave, the kid threw the banana under a car. He could have gave that to another kid to eat. That was just one incident. However, I have got to the point where I believe many if not most folks in a hustle rich environment look at kind gestures as if they are entitled to it. For enough, their attitude and conversation suggests they feel, we have it, can afford to part with it, lose it or replace it. But all in all, they should have it and you should provide it. If you don't, you are cheap or insert name here.
Manizales911
07-04-17, 20:25
I recall the one kid that stopped a guy, asking for food. It was in front of New Garden. The guy pulled a fresh banana out of his backpack, and gave it to him. Once the guy turned his back to leave, the kid threw the banana under a car. He could have gave that to another kid to eat. That was just one incident. However, I have got to the point where I believe many if not most folks in a hustle rich environment look at kind gestures as if they are entitled to it. For enough, their attitude and conversation suggests they feel, we have it, can afford to part with it, lose it or replace it. But all in all, they should have it and you should provide it. If you don't, you are cheap or insert name here.I used to give spare change to only two people, the guy on the strip that walks with a bad limp and can barely talk, you all know who I am referring to, he has been there forever and makes the rounds. I found out that he was offered ten thousand pesos a month to house sit for someone all expenses paid including transportation and he turned it down saying that he made more money begging on Pedro Clisante, one day my buddy refused to give him money and he called my buddy every four letter word in perfect english, so much for his speech impediment. The other person is the real old woman on playa Sosua, another one that I am sure everyone knows, she has been there forever and is the oldest looking person on the beach and hits up literally every single person from one end of the beach to the other. My waiter at my spot told me that she makes more money than anyone on the beach and lives in a huge house.
Manizales911
07-05-17, 11:30
Uber is finally coming to the north coast.
I used to give spare change to only two people, the guy on the strip that walks with a bad limp and can barely talk, you all know who I am referring to, he has been there forever and makes the rounds. I found out that he was offered ten thousand pesos a month to house sit for someone all expenses paid including transportation and he turned it down saying that he made more money begging on Pedro Clisante, one day my buddy refused to give him money and he called my buddy every four letter word in perfect english, so much for his speech impediment.
The other person is the real old woman on playa Sosua, another one that I am sure everyone knows, she has been there forever and is the oldest looking person on the beach and hits up literally every single person from one end of the beach to the other. My waiter at my spot told me that she makes more money than anyone on the beach and lives in a huge house.Yes I know of the ones you mentioned. And as you know, multitudes of hustling locals either stay in Sosua or commute to Sosua daily to work the tourists, vacationers and expats. Or in the case of the p4 p chicas, they travel from far and close to come to Sosua (or any other foreigner rich environment) to hustle. To them, it's their places of employment. There is no doubt in my mind that enough of them out there begging have means and a regular life that would surprise many.
But foreigners bring much money, and resources to the table. Many are easy to persuade and manipulate, half the time they can afford to give shit away or lose things through theft. And so the locals know that hustling can be more financially and resource lucrative than working a regular job. When they need to eat, don't spend your money. Get a foreigner to do it. If you need your hair done or to get hair brought to you. Don't spend your money, get a foreigner to pay for it.
You want clothes or shoes, perfume, you name it. Get a foreigner to get it for you.When you need to get in the club, get a foreigner to pay for it. If your phone is damaged, or acting up, or it's old, get a foreigner to bring you another one or buy it. Then you can do what you want. Sell it. Give it away. Or of course make sure you tell several guys the same story. That way you just might end up with 4 different phones.
If you need your rent paid, get a foreigner to do it. Never mind that you never needed that foreigner for the last 15 years. But all of a sudden, now that he's involved with you, likes you, (or simply wants to get in your panties) , you need him to get involved paying for your expenses. He's responsible for helping you, and he dont even live in your country. What the hell would you do if he didnt help? I have yet to see a dead skeleton of a local sprawled out in the street someplace, because some foreigner refused to pay for shit/meals etc.
There is a comical scene in the movie Hot Shots with Charlie Sheen. His best friend pilot "DeadMeat" died. So at the funeral, he goes over to the widow to offer her condolences. He hands her an envelope with 2500 dollars. Claiming he's been saving it for a while. LOL The widow takes the envelope, thanks him, and while sobbing pulls out a winning lottery ticket for 3 million dollars. She said thank you Topper. With this money you gave me, and this 3 million dollar lottery ticket I won, I can go out and blow it all on hats.
Of course it's comedy, but I took that scene as a lesson one can learn from. Be careful feeling sorry for people and doing things out of guilt or shame. You just might find out that your efforts don't mean shit to someone who has more or the means to get more than you think they do. Thats why I stick mainly to giving when the subject has earned it. Or I gift or treat very discerningly, rather than indiscriminately. I don't feel nothing when them muggs walk off mad because I don't give or refuse their begging. I just let them walk off so they can get someone who will give in.
Mr Enternational
07-05-17, 15:49
Uber is finally coming to the north coast.Don't think I ever wrote my reports from Santo Domingo a couple of months ago, but uhhh.
I recall the one kid that stopped a guy, asking for food. It was in front of New Garden. The guy pulled a fresh banana out of his backpack, and gave it to him. Once the guy turned his back to leave, the kid threw the banana under a car. He could have gave that to another kid to eat. That was just one incident. However, I have got to the point where I believe many if not most folks in a hustle rich environment look at kind gestures as if they are entitled to it. For enough, their attitude and conversation suggests they feel, we have it, can afford to part with it, lose it or replace it. But all in all, they should have it and you should provide it. If you don't, you are cheap or insert name here.On the other hand, years ago, I took a chica to a small local restaurant in Puerto Plata, where we had a chicken dinner. When we left, she took the leftovers with her. I presumed she'd take them home, but instead, she had me drive along the malecon, and, spotting some derelict-looking type walking along, she had me stop the car, and gave the leftover food to him. She probably had no way to keep the food, as I don't recall if she had access to a refrigerator, but she had more going for her than the kid. He was just panhandling for change, and needs to change his begging for food MO. Clearly he's learning the wrong lessons.
Tempoecorto
07-05-17, 18:16
On the other hand, years ago, I took a chica to a small local restaurant in Puerto Plata, where we had a chicken dinner. When we left, she took the leftovers with her. I presumed she'd take them home, but instead, she had me drive along the malecon, and, spotting some derelict-looking type walking along, she had me stop the car, and gave the leftover food to him. Thanks for providing a counter narrative to all the "sky is falling down" stories. Evidently there are people who have never been outside of their "NU YUK" existence and do not know that what they are complaining about, has happened for ever. Just read "Oliver Twist" by a man called Charles Dickens. It is these "well meaning" benefactors that make me laugh when then denigrate the street solicitors in voluminous travelog, because they do not get their due "recognition". The Gita says, " Give without expecting anything", even better, just disregard them and they would no longer be a nuisance.
On the other hand, years ago, I took a chica to a small local restaurant in Puerto Plata, where we had a chicken dinner. When we left, she took the leftovers with her. I presumed she'd take them home, but instead, she had me drive along the malecon, and, spotting some derelict-looking type walking along, she had me stop the car, and gave the leftover food to him. She probably had no way to keep the food, as I don't recall if she had access to a refrigerator, but she had more going for her than the kid. He was just panhandling for change, and needs to change his begging for food MO. Clearly he's learning the wrong lessons.I've witnessed my share of chicas "sharing" food and / or giving away some spare change.
Something to ponder. Usually when I take home leftovers of food I enjoyed, I have every intention of eating it. Often sharing it with chicas that come over. They treat my leftovers like it was a freshly prepared meal. Now when I see a chica make a kind gesture towards a stranger, I can take that on face value as just what it was, a kind gesture.
I can also consider the possibility, that the chica is used to getting guys to take them out and paying for them to eat and drink. And she may not place much value over the meal she just had (that someone else paid for), because her next meal is just another date away. So why not give the food to a stranger?
She can accomplish a couple of things. 1) You impress your date, 2) you get rid of a meal you might not have liked, or you can get fresh the next time you go out, and 3) some soul gets to eat a meal, at someone elses expense, but not hers.
I'd be more impressed seeing a chica offer someone her leftover food (that she paid for) which she intended to eat later. Not so impressed seeing chicas give away food that some else paid for. It aint no waste of money as far as she's concerned. It wasnt her money that paid for it.
I've witnessed my share of chicas "sharing" food and / or giving away some spare change.
Something to ponder. Usually when I take home leftovers of food I enjoyed, I have every intention of eating it. Often sharing it with chicas that come over. They treat my leftovers like it was a freshly prepared meal. Now when I see a chica make a kind gesture towards a stranger, I can take that on face value as just what it was, a kind gesture.
I can also consider the possibility, that the chica is used to getting guys to take them out and paying for them to eat and drink. And she may not place much value over the meal she just had (that someone else paid for), because her next meal is just another date away. So why not give the food to a stranger?
She can accomplish a couple of things. 1) You impress your date, 2) you get rid of a meal you might not have liked, or you can get fresh the next time you go out, and 3) some soul gets to eat a meal, at someone elses expense, but not hers.
I'd be more impressed seeing a chica offer someone her leftover food (that she paid for) which she intended to eat later. Not so impressed seeing chicas give away food that some else paid for. It aint no waste of money as far as she's concerned. It wasnt her money that paid for it.That reminds me of a time in a Spanish "club" (brothel) when I was buying a girl "lady drinks" and she told me to tip the waitress (Europe and USA are very different when it comes to giving propinas) and I simply told her that she has Money and can tip if she Believes that the waitress deserves a tip. So she actually did leave a 5 euro bill at the tab.
And regarding the food, the fact that she even bothers to take a doggy bag for someone else means something in my Eyes. I've never brought a doggy bag even for myself to eat on the other side.
I do Believe that some of the prostitutes are goodhearted Girls and its not Always necessary to be so cynical, but of course its better to be cynical than naive when it comes to dealing with pros.
Manizales911
07-05-17, 23:49
Don't think I ever wrote my reports from Santo Domingo a couple of months ago, but uhhh.Your referring to Santo Domingo which is the south coast, I posted about the north coast.
Mr Enternational
07-06-17, 00:09
Your referring to Santo Domingo which is the south coast, I posted about the north coast.Actually I was only intending to point out the UberMoto that a girl I was with told me about. I did not believe her so I pulled up Uber while we were at a new mall in Santo Domingo and there was damn sure a motoconcho option.
Parkinsons
07-06-17, 02:45
Got a new chick that is a University professor of Industrial Engineering in Puerto Plata. She said they pay 392 pesos per hour. For her it equals out to 35,000 pesos per month. If she worked in a factory it would be 40,000 pesos per month, but a lot more hours of work.35000 a month at 392 pesos per hour, that's only like 90 work hours per month. Not a bad gig. Like a tenured professor at an American university.
Just to interject a dose of reality: I know two in Santiago that works in call centers (handling mostly Hispanics but some English as well) and just yesterday one wrote that the boss did not pay the incentive she earned and this holiday extended weekend, they don't work and no pay either! She makes 3200 pesos per week including 500 pesos of incentive.Similar to what I know. On a cigar factory tour in Santiago, the tour guide / factory rep took a lot of pride in telling us that the company compensates their employees handsomely: 4000 pesos per week. I remember distinctly because I joked with my boy afterwards that he just paid a chick the night before for 30 minutes on her back what an experienced cigar roller makes for 40 hours on her feet.
I have several friends who are working class girls in the DR. The wages they are paid are terrible. They live on the edge all the time. We would blow our brains out if we had to endure what these poor ladies put up with. The putas I have observed share much more then we do. I esse to often guys quick to condemn the whole tree for one bad apple. It could be that I am an excellent judge of character and avoid the devilish women you guys are dealing with.
35000 a month at 392 pesos per hour, that's only like 90 work hours per month. Not a bad gig. Like a tenured professor at an American university.
Similar to what I know. On a cigar factory tour in Santiago, the tour guide / factory rep took a lot of pride in telling us that the company compensates their employees handsomely: 4000 pesos per week. I remember distinctly because I joked with my boy afterwards that he just paid a chick the night before for 30 minutes on her back what an experienced cigar roller makes for 40 hours on her feet.
Mr Enternational
07-06-17, 05:55
That reminds me of a time in a Spanish "club" (brothel) when I was buying a girl "lady drinks" and she told me to tip the waitress (Europe and USA are very different when it comes to giving propinas) and I simply told her that she has Money and can tip if she Believes that the waitress deserves a tip. So she actually did leave a 5 euro bill at the tab.That is some funny shit seeing that the Spanish do not really tip. They are on a real salary and not that reduced BS they do in the States to make the customers pay their employees' salary. And in countries such as France, it is already included in the bill.
Mr Enternational
07-06-17, 05:57
It could be that I am an excellent judge of character and avoid the devilish women you guys are dealing with.Either that or you are too gullible to realize how devilish they really are.
That is some funny shit seeing that the Spanish do not really tip. They are on a real salary and not that reduced BS they do in the States to make the customers pay their employees' salary. And in countries such as France, it is already included in the bill.Exactly, and she should have known since she (a young Venezuelan) claimed to be working as a camarera in a restaurant in Sevilla while studying.
What's true or not doesn't really matter, I have not seen her ever since and I sure did get my money's worth.
That reminds me of a time in a Spanish "club" (brothel) when I was buying a girl "lady drinks" and she told me to tip the waitress (Europe and USA are very different when it comes to giving propinas) and I simply told her that she has Money and can tip if she Believes that the waitress deserves a tip. So she actually did leave a 5 euro bill at the tab.Interesting. 1st the woman "tells" you tip somebody. Who was she to tell you what to do? You pointed out that she had money, and only because you spoke up then she decided to leave a tip. Thats pretty much some of what I was talking about. Muggs not wanting or offering to spend their own money, but expect us to spend ours. Youd think that you spent enough money on drinks that the chick would have volunteered to tip. But instead she decided to tell you to tip?
And regarding the food, the fact that she even bothers to take a doggy bag for someone else means something in my Eyes. I've never brought a doggy bag even for myself to eat on the other side.
I do Believe that some of the prostitutes are goodhearted Girls and its not Always necessary to be so cynical, but of course its better to be cynical than naive when it comes to dealing with pros.Nobody has to always be cynical when it comes to being aware of what goes on with people or within an environment. Knowing or believing that there are good hearted prostitutes (and people in general) is fine. But there are also those out there, that arent.
That know how to make the right impressions to persuade and manipulate people. To be able to discern the difference in who is good hearted vs those that are fronting just to make an impression, requires awareness and the ability to accept reality. My point is, one does not have to be better off being one or the other (cynical or naive). Why not just strive to be aware, and discern character and motives based on what each individual represents?.
Folks should feel free to call it the way it is, rather than feeling they are being cynical without cause. My other point is, many men have a tendency to get high or impressed easily by what women do. And rather than take the time to discern the persons overall character or motivations, they take what they see in the beginning on face value. They do not want to see any further, because that might destroy the positive illusion of character/motivation that they contrived for that female.
Men get married based on that course of reasoning. They also tend to go above and beyond doing things for women ( unearned ) just because they were impressed by something trivial that the woman did. It's like we pay, compensate and are impressed by women just for doing something trivial. Maybe deep down we dont expect women to be decent. So when they perform a kind gesture with leftovers, we make a bigger deal than it should be?
Tempoecorto
07-06-17, 14:58
On a cigar factory tour in Santiago, the tour guide / factory rep took a lot of pride in telling us that the company compensates their employees handsomely: 4000 pesos per week. Thanks for that picture. I have never been inside one. I know a person in Santiago who has been working at a cigar maker for the last several months. She goes to work at around 3 PM and comes home at around 1 AM or so and no Saturdays or Sundays there. Relatively speaking these are better quality options, compared to say the betting places (Banca) or Colmados.
I have several friends who are working class girls in the DR. The wages they are paid are terrible. They live on the edge all the time. We would blow our brains out if we had to endure what these poor ladies put up with. The putas I have observed share much more then we do. I esse to often guys quick to condemn the whole tree for one bad apple. It could be that I am an excellent judge of character and avoid the devilish women you guys are dealing with.No Old Kool, you arent a better judge of character. Don't delude yourself. The point is you have observed and personally experienced a lot more negativity with chicas than you have ever been willing to report. So it's a matter of credibility and motive, rather than what you have chosen to claim you observed or experienced. You get to keep and maintain whatever impression you want people to believe.
But I know better. I witnessed an incident with a few chicas, including your dinner date taking advantage of you in Rockys a long while back. Your dinner date, allowed 2 street barracudas who stopped by, to have access to your food. And you clearly had a problem with it. And since you advocate that many of these women are so poor, the one thing you could of done you failed to do. You could have ordered those 2 poor hungry chicas some food. But you didn't. So you arent exactly the concerned bleeding heart monger that you portray.
For the most part you would never offer details like that in a trip report. Because that would mean a reflection on you. And we know we can't have that. And how many dozens of negative incidents and situations over the last 6 yrs have you encountered, but failed to report here? So nobody will ever see reports from you with details showing some of the things I freely discuss. Oh you may tell us about what happened to some of your inexperienced wing men back in the day, but we'll never see reports or details about the things that happened to you.
So you are excellent at omission of facts and details related to chicas and any unfortunate circumstances you encountered, but I wouldn't consider doing that makes you being excellent in judging character.
Interesting. 1st the woman "tells" you tip somebody. Who was she to tell you what to do? You pointed out that she had money, and only because you spoke up then she decided to leave a tip. Thats pretty much some of what I was talking about. Muggs not wanting or offering to spend their own money, but expect us to spend ours. Youd think that you spent enough money on drinks that the chick would have volunteered to tip. But instead she decided to tell you to tip?Not encouraging gullibility or for anyone to allow themselves to be taken advantage of, but on this particular theme, they feel that anyone who can afford to travel for sex has money to burn. (Which is actually pretty accurate). A DR chica with some pesos in her purse is still not in the same category as the average sex tourist, when it comes to disposable income. In the unlikely event that you were socializing with a millionaire, you would expect them to be more generous than the average Joe.
I shared a plate of ribs and fries with a young lady at Rockies it was way more then I could eat and I enjoyed having company. I was not trying to fuck the young lady, She was someone I met casually.. I was not threatened by the chicas friends. I handled the situation with no issues. Ergo the difference between us . You see a evil conpiracy I see a simple encounter. Please do not speak for me. My reports are my words and experiences. The bad encounters are much more interesting for this forum so I report them. Fortunately I don" have many to report. In a few week I will make my 4th trip this year. I am going because of my overwhelming good expeirences. I report the good and the bad. Unlike you it seems my good is way more abundant then the bad. Do not hate the player hate the game. P.S. We all think you are negative.
No Old Kool, you arent a better judge of character. Don't delude yourself. The point is you have observed and personally experienced a lot more negativity with chicas than you have ever been willing to
report. So it's a matter of credibility and motive, rather than what you have chosen to claim you observed or experienced. You get to keep and maintain whatever impression you want people to believe.
But I know better. I witnessed an incident with a few chicas, including your dinner date taking advantage of you in Rockys a long while back. Your dinner date, allowed 2 street barracudas who stopped by, to have access to your food. And you clearly had a problem with it. And since you advocate that many of these women are so poor, the one thing you could of done you failed to do. You could have ordered those 2 poor hungry chicas some food. But you didn't. So you arent exactly the concerned bleeding heart monger that you portray.
For the most part you would never offer details like that in a trip report. Because that would mean a reflection on you. And we know we can't have that. And how many dozens of negative incidents and situations over the last 6 yrs have you encountered, but failed to report here? So nobody will ever see reports from you with details showing some of the things I freely discuss. Oh you may tell us about what happened to some of your inexperienced wing men back in the day, but we'll never see reports or details about the things that happened to you.
So you are excellent at omission of facts and details related to chicas and any unfortunate circumstances you encountered, but I wouldn't consider doing that makes you being excellent in judging character.
Not encouraging gullibility or for anyone to allow themselves to be taken advantage of, but on this particular theme, they feel that anyone who can afford to travel for sex has money to burn. (Which is actually pretty accurate). A DR chica with some pesos in her purse is still not in the same category as the average sex tourist, when it comes to disposable income. In the unlikely event that you were socializing with a millionaire, you would expect them to be more generous than the average Joe.It's well established what enough of them think. And you are correct in that enough think we have money to burn. Money to burn? I don't think so, even though I get the cliche. However in the grand scheme of things, we should care more about what we think in relation to how we are treated, than what DR women think.
I get your example of a millionaire. However, I also know folks of unequal economic status, have the ability to make up differences with commensurate reciprocation. No one has to depend soley on matching spending habits based on financial / economic status. A woman can offer a man a number of things, if she can't match him financially. So when a woman can't afford to come out of her purse, she surely can offer a man something else he values. Women that believe they are entitled to your money just because "yougotitlikethat" are freeloaders.
I'm currently in discussion on what's app with a 34 yr old chick here in Sosua I've known for years. She wants to come over so I can give her massage. Not me a massage, but her a massage. This mugg believes I'm supposed to be so hard up for pussy, that she is doing me a favor by coming over so I can give her a massage. Of course the massage is supposed to lead to sex, and eventually some dinero. But this is the mentality of some of these women. They act like they are doing you a favor.
So I asked her, how about some real work? How come you only offer me massaging you, but you won't offer to cook, clean my house, clothes or car? Offer me a pedicure / manicure? You know what she said? I never invited her to come for that. But she has no problem offering to come for a massage. Totally dodged the point. So I asked her again, how come you never offered to do those things, but only offer a massage? Again she diverted. So when dealing with folk like that, I could care less what they think of what I have going on financially. They get placed on the bottom of the priority list. Meanwhile I'm free to give and offer generously to those that I discern should have it.
I shared a plate of ribs and fries with a young lady at Rockies it was way more then I could eat and I enjoyed having company. I was not trying to fuck the young lady, She was someone I met casually.. I was not threatened by the chicas friends. I handled the situation with no issues. Ergo the difference between us Oh contrare my friend. 1st off, it aint about how much you could eat, it aint about whether or not you wanted to fuck the woman, and it certainly aint about you being threatened by the barracudas who stopped by. It's about you being disrespected 1st by the woman that you were sharing your food with. Your excellent judgement in character chose a barracuda who decided to disrespect you. The other 2 muggs were just two more to add to the disrespect.
In other words, they all took advantage of you. So what part did your excellent judge in character play in that scenario? The fact still remains that the only thing you could do was shoo the other women away. But you still allowed the woman you were with to stay there with you. Yeah, you handled it all right. Basically you didnt do jack but sit there and entertain the mugg that disrespected you. My role in this forum is offer suggestions for members that could use the information, not to fall into traps like this. And when a chica disrespects you, or uses you, that mugg needs to be dismissed. Dont just sit there like a chesire cat acting like nothing happened.
You see a evil conpiracy I see a simple encounter. Please do not speak for me. My reports are my words and experiences. The bad encounters are much more interesting for this forum so I report them. Fortunately I don" have many to report. In a few week I will make my 4th trip this year. I am going because of my overwhelming good expeirences. I report the good and the bad. Unlike you it seems my good is way more abundant then the bad. Do not hate the player hate the game. P.S. We all think you are negative.Yeah a select few think as you do. They are entitled. But the majority that I know and respect don't, and that's what counts.
However, enough of us see that you really arent player. And definitely no game. Leading with your wallet, using gifts, and other incentives in order to lure women? Thats being a player? Oh of course you bring an occasional vibrator to help assist you where you may fall short in the bedroom. Trust, there is no need for anyone to hate on those types of players.
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