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Sirioja
03-26-18, 19:50
In August last year I have to agree with you. And most info is in Italian. But now in March (it should have been 17-20 March on that report by the way) there were about 30% non Italians. That meaning Austrians mainly, but I also saw a Chinese group of 3-4 guys on Sat and Sun unless I am confused about different Asian nationalities, 3 Canadians, and 3 Frenches (whom I know from before). And there seemed to be some more when the party boss made the announcements in different languages too. He mainly took it in Ita and Eng. But 70% (maybe 75%) is still heavily Italian. Yet the August numbers were probably more swayed due to the Italian vacation at the time. While it might have been a week or two late for the Austrians.I visited on mid August, all countries are on holidays on mid August. Wellcum is on Italian border, far from Austrian big cities, maybe Salzburg is the closest, because this is a club for Italians, and they are right, Italians are good and easy money clients, they love women.

Information are written in Italian, not even in German.

Pistons
03-27-18, 01:55
I visited on mid August, all countries are on holidays on mid August. Wellcum is on Italian border, far from Austrian big cities, maybe Salzburg is the closest, because this is a club for Italians, and they are right, Italians are good and easy money clients, they love women.

Information are written in Italian, not even in German.Well Carinthia with Klagenfurt and Villach has a bit over 500 000 people. It should be enough to at least be 15% of the population. One guy I met was from south of Salzburg. Distance to Graz is about the same as to Salzburg. So people drive quite a bit for this club. 5 hours for one guy living in Tuscany. That's like Berlin. Frankfurt.

Massimo Potente
03-27-18, 11:51
If I may, I suggest to discuss clubs outside of Vienna and its surroundings here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?623-Other-Areas

MikeOdamerika1
03-27-18, 20:01
The website says Goldentime closes at 4:00.

Can I count on it staying open until then on a Friday morning?

The train doesn't head to the airport until 4:30 so I am trying to make sure I can hang out somewhere.

Nimble Monkey
03-28-18, 00:31
Hello boys,

Humbly ask for assistance from anyone who could contribute. Planning trip to Vienna. A few questions if I may:

1. Has anyone been to Babylon? Any intel would be appreciated. They have a website which is asking €20 to see pictures of girls but I'the like to get some verification that what you see is what you get in that facility. Trip reports or reviews of any ladies are hard to come by for this place.

2. Anyone been to Goldentime recently? I've read trip reports but from a few months ago. Would appreciate recommendations of any starlets ID appreciate. I'll be there likely mid week, so not sure the line up will be the best. My bet is Fri. And sat night are the best nights to go.

3. If there any quick tips or pointer you think may be important I'the appreciate! I'm reading the forums and thread to see what to expect and how not to get hustled. The info provided by members is great and thank you. I hope to give back to the thread sometime in the near future.

Massimo Potente
03-28-18, 01:21
The website says Goldentime closes at 4:00.

Can I count on it staying open until then on a Friday morning?

The train doesn't head to the airport until 4:30 so I am trying to make sure I can hang out somewhere.It is not a 100% certain. I don't know how it is on very bad weekend days but it has happened on many occasions that GT closed early on Sundays and Mondays. But I suppose it would have to be a very very weak Friday for them to decide to close early. I can hardly imagine it happening.

Darster
03-28-18, 02:21
Hello everyone,

So I have been in Vienna last weekend mostly to try out the asian scene. .

Had a chance to visit following places:

1. Vienna Night Club. Währinger Gürtel 12.

First night I have visited just "Vienna Night Club" which was located near to my hotel. That's like a bar, unfortunately there was only 1 girl who doesn't speak English.

Anyways I have decided to take her to the room I do not know what is the name of the girl, she is 27 years old with tattoos on her body. Paid her 70 E for 30 minutes of massage and sex. Her body and her tattoos makes her to look similar as Asa Akira (Asian pornstar), I think she is really hot.

My first session with her was average because I was not able to explain her what I wanted. Even BJ was with a condom, again by my mistake.

On second night I have visited the place again, the same girl was there + one more tall asian girl who was not my type. Also there were there boss as well who is a really cool guy and is able to speak English.

Asked him few questions related to BBBJ and cum on body, he says both are included in 30 minutes. So I have paid him 70 E and took the same girl to the room.

In the room the sex was much better than first night even the message, at the end I wanted to cum on her face but she was scared like I am going to do something scary: the At the end I have finished on her body as agreed.

Conclusion: I would rate this place 4/5. Just because the Asian girl was super hot, the bar and room was clean. Also the place is opened till 4 or 5 AM. Bad thing is that most likely you won't find more than 4-5 girls, keep in mind this is a small Asian bar.

2. Studio 31 a. Stattmayergasse 31 a.

- I have heard a lot of great things about this studio so it was my time to visit it.

To make it short, I have had 2 sessions with a well known Lisa from this studio. I am not sure how old she is, I was told she is the youngest one there.

Both time she did everything to satisfy me, her BBBJ was really good. BBBJ & CIM is included in 30 minutes of standard service (60 E /30 min).

Had a good time with her but right after our session she has just disappeared from the toom.

Conclusion: I would rate this place 4/5. I have seen Lisa only and I can see she is a nice young girl who will do almost everything to satisfy you. Looks like a clean studio but there is one thing I do not like.

I feel like girls has no or little time to rest between the sessions with customers. Not sure If Lisa is that popular or that is the case with all the girls. Anyways I would still suggest you to visit this studio If you are interested in asian girls, this is probably one of the best in Vienna at the moment.

Sirioja
03-28-18, 11:55
Well Carinthia with Klagenfurt and Villach has a bit over 500 000 people. It should be enough to at least be 15% of the population. One guy I met was from south of Salzburg. Distance to Graz is about the same as to Salzburg. So people drive quite a bit for this club. 5 hours for one guy living in Tuscany. That's like Berlin. Frankfurt.Italians, like me, don't have FKK / clubs in our countries. Not anymore escorts golden years in Milano, nor Roma, not often now in Paris, even mid March was real Christmas with 4 Russian beauties met in Paris, then I preferred to repeat with my dreamed Siberian, rather than going to a fifth real beauty. I wish she will return to me on May, after her London tour.

So Italians drive now to Switzerland through Gottard and Wellcum via Tarvisio, because less top escorts at home. Even I really enjoyed my Eve, I would not drive only for Wellcum, when as long I can, I will always drive through Dolomiti from Stelvio and Mortirolo to Zoncolan, for only 10.5 kms climbing, but sometimes more than 25% climbing, 23% in Mortirolo, for less than 1 h30 for body and head burning like in hell, heart in red zone, 160/180 pulses per minutes for kilometers, but after terrible fourth kilometers, You are not able to feel pain everywhere. On August 2016, I climbed at noon under heat, losing all my body water, then I returned to Wellcum at about 4 pm. When she saw me, Natali. Hu I had in room on previous day, came to me asking me if I wanted her, but I couldn t even answer, because I couldn't breathe, speak, eat, I needed to recover until later than 10 pm, then it was too late for Natali, but I returned on next day to improve my climbing time in Zoncolan. Again improved on 2017.

Then so easy to fuck girls for hours, when You are fit and getting older but sporty, then you improve your body resistance to efforts, higher level for intense than stamina. Passion makes work mind.

BaltiX
03-28-18, 16:52
Does anybody here has a list of recommended escort agencies for future reference?

MonSooner
03-31-18, 13:36
As I have been in the neighbourhood of this Laufhaus I made a pit stop to see what is new. Juchgasse is an item in the media currently as they will soon open a 2nd branch in Zollergasse which is close by. Also in the 3rd district. They are currently raising attention with fake news articles some of which claim that up to 200 girls will be there. That is utter nonsense for sure but people are sheep and easily manipulated therefore this made for a pretty good news piece even though it couldn't be further from the truth.

Well, it is too early now to really inspect Juchgasse. Most rooms have the red sign Indicating busy or absent girls. I'll come back later. And don't judge me, for I know that by reputation Juchgasse is notorious and maybe the worst house of them all. Taking a look only because I am already here. Rihanna who is available now has gotten horrible reviews on the local forum is one of the few ones who is ready to f.

Itponaus
03-31-18, 18:04
As I have been in the neighbourhood of this Laufhaus I made a pit stop to see what is new. Juchgasse is an item in the media currently as they will soon open a 2nd branch in Zollergasse which is close by. Also in the 3rd district. They are currently raising attention with fake news articles some of which claim that up to 200 girls will be there. That is utter nonsense for sure but people are sheep and easily manipulated therefore this made for a pretty good news piece even though it couldn't be further from the truth.

Well, it is too early now to really inspect Juchgasse. Most rooms have the red sign Indicating busy or absent girls. I'll come back later. And don't judge me, for I know that by reputation Juchgasse is notorious and maybe the worst house of them all. Taking a look only because I am already here. Rihanna who is available now has gotten horrible reviews on the local forum is one of the few ones who is ready to f.The new location will be at Zollgasse, not Zollergasse. Zollgasse is very good location, near Innere Stadt nad Wien Mitte (shopping center, metro and rail station) and not far away from Juchgasse.

Free Dude
03-31-18, 22:19
Due to some very inefficient planning and last minute cancellations, I had a lot more free time on my hands than I had expected. Although there are a lot of options and many of them shockingly visible in the city, I wouldn't say Vienna is a good place for sex tourism. It's just so spread out, and you need to do a bunch of homework to find many of the places. In the end I visited a bunch of studios and got to go to the two big sauna clubs. I found myself behaving a bit like a tourist. The sex wasn't particularly good and overpriced really, but I felt mostly interested in how things would be, and so kept on trying things out. More for educational purposes than to get off almost. I didn't make it to Maxim because of timing issues, it opening late and me starting early the next day, and a line-up that didn't seem that interesting. I was kind of annoyed to find out that a handful of interesting girls had returned the day I flew home. I wish the trip had been a day longer, so I could have had a go at Alexandra. Not in the least because I seem to have spent that morning with her "best friend". In some typical post coital picture swiping, there suddenly were some normal life pictures of the two of them, after which I was asked if I knew Alexandra: "She's in Maxim, right?" "Yeah, you should visit her too! With a recommendation like that, what could have gone wrong!? She wasn't planning to follow her friend BTW, because of the crappy earnings. Kind of a surprise to hear, especially given the cash distribution in that particular studio.

Anyhow, I did a bunch of studio visits and while the studios ranged from run down shacks to neatly decorated mini clubs, the sessions were very similar to one another. Girls mostly friendly, service rather ordinary. Maybe I just don't know how to deal with the girls immediately lining up in front of you and sort of being pressured into picking one. Given most of the pricing schemes, you quickly feel taking longer sessions are a bargain, but pretty much all my sessions got to business very quickly. Real and good DFK mostly non existing, a quick BBBJ and then to sex. Regardless if you booked an hour or less. Also kind of funny how the typical preliminary conversations now happen while in progress. I had two girls ask my why I had come to Vienna, literally in the two seconds after they put my dick in her pussy. In order to avoid the tourist service, I was a bit quicker than usual in throwing out some standard Romanian lines, with mostly the desired outcome. The cheapest of all sessions was particularly funny in this regard. During the line-up, shower and start of the session she looked mostly mad. A lot of eye contact in cowgirl, but not a smile to be seen, then in a spooning position I found something to compliment her on in Romanian and she burst out laughing while starting to roll away from me. I followed up with praise for that first smile, and she totally got out of the way. In the following exchange it became clear enough that I don't actually speak Romanian, always an important step in these exchanges, and I called her over to give me a kiss and get back to it. I got a sloppy, wet French kiss that lasted anywhere between 5 and 10 seconds. I immediately was like: "this, let's do more of this! But I just got a very Romanian "Nu, haide and-futem" and during the sex just a few short and feeble reminders of the way this girl can kiss if she wants to.

For that last morning before I left, the early options were kind of limited and I couldn't help myself, and ignored the meagre reports, to try setting something up with [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) in La Chica lounge. She seems to be booked up pretty much non stop and when I called for an appointment the evening before, the friendly woman at the other side of the line was already half way through her line of telling me no, when she changed to "actually, tomorrow morning is possible". She sounded positively surprised. As with all the other girls I have seen, the photos are a fair representation, although she seems even tinier in person and smiling with her hair in a pony tail, she is infinitely cuter than her online pictures. She claimed she doesn't photograph well, and that was kind of confirmed when we went through a few bazillion of her cell phone pictures later on. In some of them she was positively unattractive. In any case, in real life a pretty, nice and young girl. Service was not brilliant off course, but in all honesty amongst the top of the studio sessions I had. Some soft light French kissing, a forgettable blowjob and a lot of stamina in cowgirl. Kissing clearly a different discipline, because she would stop the fucking entirely when she kissed me. All the time happily yapping away in Romanian at me. I got about a third of what she was trying to say, but that seemed enough. After finishing, which really didn't happen in all sessions, we mucked about a bit with her phone and I somehow got the feeling that personality wise she would fit very well in a club like Samya, although that would probably mean a lot less money. She was a bit difficult in getting started for a second go, but by being similarly Romanian in my attitude we had a go at a second pop. If I were in Vienna for a longer time, I'm sure I'the be back a few times.

Then the Saunaclubs. I spent an evening in Funpalast and actually quite liked the set up. The place is huge, with a lot of wasted space. I think the main hall is larger than Sharks, but it doesn't quite feel like it because of all the random crap they put in there, like the pool, the poker table and the fake castle. It seems like you get decent meals at decent prices and the fact that they provide plastic cups for water in the changing rooms is sympathetic. An honest pricing system. The interactions with the girls felt a bit like coming home and it shows that you get better at things you do a lot. For me there were enough options to fill an evening with, seven or so. In the end I went with Brennie with the big tits. I have seen her either in LR or Sharks before and had heard positive things. In any case we had plenty to talk about, although her "love" for sharks should have been a giveaway. A waste of time and my prepaid room. Later I went with redheaded Criss, who I found difficult to resist for some reason. I hadn't discussed the BJ, and before I knew it the cover was on. DFK was pretty good though, also during the sex itself. Decent enough.

I must admit Golden time is a totally different kettle of fish. That line up, on a weekday, was simply ridiculous. Looks wise comparable to Sharks I would say. The club itself kind of disappointing and not nearly worth the 90 euros entry fee. Especially the food was crap, asking 90 euros for that is the biggest rip off I have seen Vienna, even worse than the 3 euros they seem to charge for mediocre coffee everywhere. In NRW or Hessen, I would say that a club with these facilities should aim at between 40 and 50 euros entry fee. But plenty of hot girls, although you shouldn't be too early. At around 5 pm the line up was great, in the early afternoon there is a good change you will be blowing your load on a lesser goddess. As I did with Bulgarian Diana, who is pretty, but not really my type. Session was simply good with decent DFK, BBBJ, some pussysliding and decent sex. Nothing wrong with that service at all. I also had the feeling I knew a great many of these girls from clubs in Germany. In the end I confirmed with 5 girls that I knew them from somewhere in NRW. Four that I had been in the room with, but only one that was an option for a repeat. A good session of an hour, but not quite as good as before. The funny thing about meeting girls this far from "home" is that they suddenly feel like talking a lot about all kinds of things. In addition to some insights into a few clubs in NRW, I also got the low down of GT in Vienna. One girl literally said that she didn't understand girls that stayed in Germany because "here everything is extra! Pointing out there were 3 times as many girls as guys didn't affect a reconsideration. When I asked about Regulars, she claimed those were few and far between "everyone is a tourist here", she even claimed that the hourly rate in Babylon wasn't that high because the girls are expected to do everything. For an hour with all those thing, most notably anal, you could get a similar amount in GT. I was promised old school service for the standard rate, for what it's worth. As a tip: when I mentioned my successful room early in the day, she immediately asked incredulously "with a Romanian girl? I am quite fond of my Romanians, but it appears the Bulgarians are known for normal service at the standard rate, while the Romanians try to charge extra for all kind of things. I did do a third session with a new girl and payed 20 extra for a "good" blowjob and kissing. I mostly went for it, because I really dig Anja with her cheeky attitude. Session was decent with deep throat and ok DFK, not as good as the other two, but probably the top 5 of the week. The sessions in GT were definitely the best of the week.

All this flexible pricing and the questions about gifts, which I haven't even mentioned yet, shouldn't be blamed just on tourists though. Reading some of the local forums, and I've noticed it with some locals here occasionally as well, there seems the be a pride in overpaying. I've seen people complain about a rip off by literally saying that they only paid the standard 60, which they had never done before and someone who though 20 euro tip on a 60 euro session was a bit much, was told to go for streetwalkers if he thought 80 euros was too much for 30 minutes of sex. After reading the Erotikforum for a couple of weeks, it seems the problem in Vienna is just as much the locals as the tourists.

BaltiX
04-01-18, 02:33
I never been to Vienna, but I think it has a good sex scene based on past research. The biggest problem IMO is the dominance of Romanian girls. There aren't many girls from other ethnicities.

Massimo Potente
04-01-18, 10:53
Free Dude.

Very interesting report, great one!

Maybe your planning was inefficient but your writing isn't. You seem to have given a good part of the Vienna sex scenery a go which is admirable. Also seems as if you got pretty much what you wanted.

Again, I have to defend GT when I hear it being called a rip-off or tourist trap or any of that. This is just not right and a club that has been going strong for that many years almost unchallenged by the cheaper FKKs has serious muscle. And who has serious muscle (and a line-up that also you found "ridiculous") and dominates the FKK market in its respective city can also dictate the prices.

I am on your side when it comes to the girls' services and pricing for "extras". This might be getting out of control and I don't feel at this point as if the management give an F. As I said many times, we don't feel that at all. We locals get super service in GT without any effort most of the time.


After reading the Erotikforum for a couple of weeks, it seems the problem in Vienna is just as much the locals as the tourists.After being a part of the Erotikforum for 15 years or more I can tell you that there is no wisdom in it to be found anymore. It's nothing but a chatbox where every topic ends up becoming a price discussion and a (pea) cockfight.

The locals are not the problem at all. Yes, we tip. Austrians tip as a courtesy any chance we get or so we were raised. People my age take pride in tipping, I feel. If we like the service of the provider, of course. The tourists are not the problem, either, of course.

If we want to find problems in the current state of sex affairs in our city then it lies in the mindset of comparing apples with oranges. And the low prices are what will bring it all down if we entertain the notion that highclass girls should earn 50 or 60 for great sex per half hour.

What is happening in Germany with a law that is so restrictive is at part the result of mass extortion of girls. No need to get into discussions about the law much further but at this point in time, in Austria, we move in the opposite direction of the spectrum. Girls can do whatever the hell they want. They can charge what they want and can use a condom whenever they want. And can openly speak and brag about it or not, it's their choice. And in that they can regulate their money stream according to their needs. In theory at least a smart woman has endless possibilities in Austria and in Vienna endless whales to catch. There is nothing wrong with that and I will say, there is everything right with that. Club and brothel owners just have to defend their house rights, too. If the vision of the girls doesn't match the vision of the club in the least then those girls should not be welcome anymore, and it will all balance out. As long as management knows what's going on they can always regulate and balance it out.

Girls who then end up in LH Juchgasse and offer no OWO at all, hey, more power to them for sure. Juchgasse owners do so well that they will launch the 2nd one as we learned from Monsooner and Itponaus. And yeah, it is in Zollgasse and not in Zollergasse but at the moment is not open yet and they are waiting for their license. I am confident that they will do well. Girls seem to like to work under their management. I am not a fan but I respect the fact that they are mostly fully booked in Juchgasse.

As far as Funpalast is concerned. You call it an honest pricing system but isn't it the desperation that kept them "honest"? Less than a year ago the price in FP was THE SAME as it was in GT now. What does it mean if a "service" that once was calculated as being worth 90 EURO is now worth 10 or 15 EURO. In my opinion it means despair and recipe for many dishes, none of which has the long term success ingredient in it.

MonSooner
04-01-18, 12:43
Just about 2 hours later it all got better in the house and most girls were in their rooms. I went up and down the stairs only twice to make my decision that Rebecca is the best looking girl there. To my surprise I found her there, I wasn't aware she had moved on from Maxim.

This woman is remarkably sexy and flawless. In the sack she is very sensual, very subtle moaning when I went down on her. I find nothing wrong with her at all and will repeat where ever she ends up. Look at the website now, she already left. I must've been with her on her final day.

Only downside to the experience, she asked extra for owo and kisses. She is worth a lot more than what she charges. I would pay 100 more without hesitation because she is in another league to me.

At night I was in a very crowded Maxim and just m when I wanted to engage Alexandra she went to speak to another guy at the bar who was smart enough to take his chance.

Come Tuesday I will return and Alexandra or Daisy will be mine.

Line-up was still good despite it being an Easter weekend.

Pistons
04-01-18, 19:09
How many Bulgarians are there at GT Vienna then if the service girls are mainly Bulgarians? Come to think of, my ex GT Vienna favourite at Artemis is also a Bulgarian too. Perhaps she returned since I believe she left Artemis. Her name at Artemis was Aksena. MP or anyone else, do you remember an Aksena from maybe 4 years ago at GT? And if so, have you seen her back?

Pistons
04-01-18, 19:15
Massimo Potente: maybe if the 60 e session is too cheap for a city like Vienna which is more expensive than anything in Germany, then perhaps they should reduce the entry fee from 90 to 60, and then increase the 30 min price from 60 to 70. It would all make so much more sense economically. It would bring in more scouts instead of the entry fee being a cockblock in the first place. The food is far below what you find at Wellcum / marina and even far below a place like Yinyang in Netherlands with 50 e entry. And 70 e would be an ok price. They could also just fire one of the useless bouncers if they need to cut expenses.

Massimo Potente
04-01-18, 22:33
Massimo Potente: maybe if the 60 e session is too cheap for a city like Vienna which is more expensive than anything in Germany, then perhaps they should reduce the entry fee from 90 to 60, and then increase the 30 min price from 60 to 70. It would all make so much more sense economically. It would bring in more scouts instead of the entry fee being a cockblock in the first place. The food is far below what you find at Wellcum / marina and even far below a place like Yinyang in Netherlands with 50 e entry. And 70 e would be an ok price. They could also just fire one of the useless bouncers if they need to cut expenses.In the FKK realm they have no competition in Vienna. Why in the world would they even consider a price change. Why would any successful business lower their prices. It wouldn't make any sense at all economically, trust me.

I am not saying that 60 is too cheap for a city like Vienna but at this moment in time, the girls can charge extra money in GT and people are largely ok with it. The problem that had been pointed out is subjective. Objectively this is just us whining and not an error in the system.

As for Bulgarians, there is a bunch of them. Some number between 5 and 8, I would estimate. No Aksana, though, however it won't be her real name for sure and she could likely have changed it.

Monsooner.

Rebecca can be booked again at Maxim as it turns out.

http://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/rebecca3

Pistons
04-02-18, 00:16
I am not saying that 60 is too cheap for a city like Vienna but at this moment in time, the girls can charge extra money in GT and people are largely ok with it. The problem that had been pointed out is subjective. Objectively this is just us whining and not an error in the system.

As for Bulgarians, there is a bunch of them. Some number between 5 and 8, I would estimate. No Aksana, though, however it won't be her real name for sure and she could likely have changed it.I just read here and elsewhere that tourists make up a great deal of the GT market. So of course prices matters. The tourist market as opposed to the local market is extremely international. So people will just go elsewhere. Anywhere. It doesn't matter to most Joe's if they postpone their Vienna mongering 1 day longer and monger in Berlin, Frankfurt, Budapest or Villach instead of Vienna either.

True, Aksena is not her real name, but she said she used it in GT Vienna also. However she could have a totally new name now. A few girls do use their real names though. I know since I got a bunch on facebook.

Massimo Potente
04-02-18, 13:31
I just read here and elsewhere that tourists make up a great deal of the GT market. So of course prices matters. The tourist market as opposed to the local market is extremely international. So people will just go elsewhere. Anywhere. It doesn't matter to most Joe's if they postpone their Vienna mongering 1 day longer and monger in Berlin, Frankfurt, Budapest or Villach instead of Vienna either.
Tourists don't generally pick the city based on mongering possibilities. I think you are overestimating the influence of professional super mongerers in comparison to normal every day clients who are by far not that price sensitive.

People will not just go elsewhere because Vienna and Villach can't be compared. And Budapest is as bad an example as one can even imagine. Berlin has Artemis which is not better than GT Vienna with basically the same price level.

But of course if people start to shout out "rip-off" and "scam" and "tourist trap" for no valid reason whatsoever on many relevant boards then a false impression could materialise. But I don't think that is on the agenda of anyone in their clear mind, is it?

Pistons
04-02-18, 14:31
Tourists don't generally pick the city based on mongering possibilities. I think you are overestimating the influence of professional super mongerers in comparison to normal every day clients who are by far not that price sensitive.

People will not just go elsewhere because Vienna and Villach can't be compared. And Budapest is as bad an example as one can even imagine. Berlin has Artemis which is not better than GT Vienna with basically the same price level.

But of course if people start to shout out "rip-off" and "scam" and "tourist trap" for no valid reason whatsoever on many relevant boards then a false impression could materialise. But I don't think that is on the agenda of anyone in their clear mind, is it?Wrong, I have been in so many FKKs and in so many mongering places that I know how much money there is. Maybe intill now gt Vienna hasn't seen the potential fully yet, but a lost opportunity is a lost market. Many tourists spend 10 x the normal local joe. But he hates getting scammed.

Delta Indigo
04-02-18, 16:33
Tourists don't generally pick the city based on mongering possibilities. I think you are overestimating the influence of professional super mongerers in comparison to normal every day clients who are by far not that price sensitive.

People will not just go elsewhere because Vienna and Villach can't be compared. And Budapest is as bad an example as one can even imagine. Berlin has Artemis which is not better than GT Vienna with basically the same price level.

But of course if people start to shout out "rip-off" and "scam" and "tourist trap" for no valid reason whatsoever on many relevant boards then a false impression could materialise. But I don't think that is on the agenda of anyone in their clear mind, is it?I might have some valuable input on this. In 2011 I was visiting Golden Time quite a lot, something like every 2 weeks for 6 to 8 months, and even when I had begun many girls recognized me from earlier trips. So the service I got was generally good, even with new girls who were part of the social circle of girls I regularly sessioned with. I did not have to worry about this or that, every now and then I had a bad experience with a girl who was certainly trying to do the least during a session. So I never agreed with the reports from some mongers that this club is generally awful for service and with a lot of upseling like Artemis and Palace in Frankfurt.

Nowadays I visit Germany a lot more and go to Vienna only a few times a year and the quality of the service is certainly a lot worse than what I remember. There seem to be quite a few girls who perform below expectations. So I think Massimo has a point here that if you are a regular visitor the girls generally perform better. Now I can see why some reports the service is the sub par here.

However what you said about tipping, Massimo, does not inspire confidence in me to say the least, the price is the agreed price, and despite what many people say, I think it is a fair price and the girls agree to work for it. I can see how the girls will modify their behavior in response to common tipping. In that case they will even try to institutionalize this with upselling behavior.

1. Regular visitors do seem to get better service. Massimo you are right here.

2. However if Austrians do tip a lot I think they are responsible for the quality of service declining in this club, so this point I give to Pistons. For example in well known service clubs with a lot of locales like Babylon, Elsdorf, even if a non regular visitor shows up, in my experience, he also almost always receives good service. Luder Lounge, which has a click clientelle is like this, I did not fit there but always got very good service there except once from a black girl.

So Austrian tipping behavior is not without guilt in the decline of service quality in my opinion.

Free Dude
04-02-18, 17:12
I didn't intend to portray GT as a scam or anything malicious. You just get very little for your entree fee, compared to pretty much every other club I've been to. Nothing else, and I understand how a monopoly makes this possible. It surprises me that Funpalast isn't gaining ground on them, but maybe that's because of the one time visitor thing. Then a one time payment of 90 is probably something you can stomach.

During my visit the Bulgarian group was mainly sitting opposite the bar and food corner and doing many rounds.

I also didn't experience much about the up sell situation, since I didn't really get in the position where this could have happened (but I was told by multiple girls how the upsell works and is common, mostly with a.

Big smile on their faces). With Diana nothing was discussed and the service was fine, maybe she asked about CIM during the BJ, but I am not sure. The second was a girl I knew already and before the room we talked for a long time, including about the extra situation and the fact that I needn't worry about it was established long before we even started thinking about actually doing something together. The third girl I approached myself and after checking about DFK and then also BBBJ, she claimed she wanted more for good service. She never actually denied BBBJ for the normal rate, but promised a teethy experience (this fit logically in her funny attitude). After some back and forth we settled on a small extra. Maybe nothing would have been said if I'd gone to the room without discussing anything.

What tipping is concerned, I'm with Delta Indigo. But if that's the Austrian way, I guess you need to be a bit "when in Rome about it".

Itponaus
04-02-18, 18:42
So Austrian tipping behavior is not without guilt in the decline of service quality in my opinion.I always give a tip, if I am satisfied with a service (in restaurants, in sex clubs). In GT a girl, who offers a poor service, gets 60. It's not possible to give her only 50 or 40, but if I get above average service without upselling I give a tip with pleasure. I gave the first tip in GT ten years ago, when was the first time there. During next five years and about 30 trips to GT had mostly very good services, because I knew girls. This was important, not my tips.

MonSooner
04-03-18, 00:03
I find this a surreal debate but since we are at it, how about this theory. People don't tip enough which causes in part the upsell problem.

Massimo Potente
04-03-18, 01:22
I find this a surreal debate but since we are at it, how about this theory. People don't tip enough which causes in part the upsell problem.Be it as it may in GT. But tipping is a sign of respect towards a good service provider regardless of the business form.

And I also don't see why there is a "problem" to speak of. If you are not willing to be upsold to then choose a girl that won't do it. They are there, be sure of it.

Sebastiane
04-03-18, 11:54
Next week I'm in Vienna and hope to visit GT and Babylon and maybe FP and Maxim based on reports here. Given that Austria has a far-right government in power, will I, as a non-white Brit, have any possible difficulties in being denied entrance to any of these places?

BTW great report Free Dude!

Zorp 001
04-03-18, 13:33
I've always been in the mindset that I should tip if I'm pleased with any service I get, regardless if its a waiter in a restaurant or a girl in a brothel or FKK. Giving tips to the girls is perfectly normal for me if and when they deserve it.

On the other hand, upsells are a completely different topic that I'm definitely not okay with.

Delta Indigo
04-03-18, 15:24
Hello everyone,

I have one question out of curiosity, is BBBJ standard or common in these Laufhauses or is it rare and almost always extra?

Massimo Potente
04-03-18, 15:29
Hello everyone,

I have one question out of curiosity, is BBBJ standard or common in these Laufhauses or is it rare and almost always extra?Depends on the house but in about 80% of them, it is extra, similiar to the escort agencies.

In LH Contact Centre and LH Kontaktzone you might find girls who include BBBJ in their standard service but in most other houses, no way.

Delta Indigo
04-03-18, 16:09
Depends on the house but in about 80% of them, it is extra, similiar to the escort agencies.

In LH Contact Centre and LH Kontaktzone you might find girls who include BBBJ in their standard service but in most other houses, no way.Thank you Massimo for the information. I remember recently you wrote that a new Laufhaus based upon Goldentime, whatever this means, should open soon. So I would assume that in service among other things this mean little, it is just a Laufhaus like the others and BBBJ won't be standard unlike the FKKs?

Sescbe
04-03-18, 17:14
What's the lineup like at GT compare to German FKK? (Artemis, palace) Are there any German stunners?

Massimo Potente
04-03-18, 17:57
Thank you Massimo for the information. I remember recently you wrote that a new Laufhaus based upon Goldentime, whatever this means, should open soon. So I would assume that in service among other things this mean little, it is just a Laufhaus like the others and BBBJ won't be standard unlike the FKKs?Just like everyone else who isn't deeply associated with GT I could only speculate at this point. Also I don't think that I wrote that it will open soon but their plans were announced fairly recently. If I had to wager on whether they would make BBBJ standard without extra charges or not, I would wager against it. Don't make me compare the odds, though, please. It is just not a wise move to dictate the services of the ladies in Austria. It is enough that house prices can be agreed on which must already be a stretch if we interpret the law literally.

Massimo Potente
04-03-18, 18:02
Given that Austria has a far-right government in power, will I, as a non-white Brit, have any possible difficulties in being denied entrance to any of these places?
Let me tell you with the most respect that I have. GROW UP!

Brothels are not political entities and our government is not far-right in the sense or to the extent that you seem to believe it is. Last political statement I will give on this sex board.

Pistons
04-03-18, 23:21
I never said tipping was bad. So it is weird you can give me that point. As long as nobody is tipping average service at least. And don't over-tip as I consider a 20 on a 60 to be. But a fair tip is always good in order to increase service behaviors.

MasterUnivrs
04-04-18, 06:49
Just about 2 hours later it all got better in the house and most girls were in their rooms. I went up and down the stairs only twice to make my decision that Rebecca is the best looking girl there. To my surprise I found her there, I wasn't aware she had moved on from Maxim.

This woman is remarkably sexy and flawless. In the sack she is very sensual, very subtle moaning when I went down on her. I find nothing wrong with her at all and will repeat where ever she ends up. Look at the website now, she already left. I must've been with her on her final day.

Only downside to the experience, she asked extra for owo and kisses. She is worth a lot more than what she charges. I would pay 100 more without hesitation because she is in another league to me.

At night I was in a very crowded Maxim and just m when I wanted to engage Alexandra she went to speak to another guy at the bar who was smart enough to take his chance.

Come Tuesday I will return and Alexandra or Daisy will be mine.

Line-up was still good despite it being an Easter weekend.Hello MonSooner,

First of all thanks for your great reports!

I have been a regular in Vienna's Laufhäusern for some time and made the experience that kissing is rather hard to get in Juchgasse.

So I was just wondering: How much did this girl Rebecca charge? Did she do it well / with tongue? And does she also do completion in her mouth?

Thank you in advance.

Delta Indigo
04-04-18, 07:12
I never said tipping was bad. So it is weird you can give me that point. As long as nobody is tipping average service at least. And don't over-tip as I consider a 20 on a 60 to be. But a fair tip is always good in order to increase service behaviors.Sorry I should have written Free Dude.

Delta Indigo
04-04-18, 07:54
Next week I'm in Vienna and hope to visit GT and Babylon and maybe FP and Maxim based on reports here. Given that Austria has a far-right government in power, will I, as a non-white Brit, have any possible difficulties in being denied entrance to any of these places?

BTW great report Free Dude!Let me try to answer this one. I am not white as well and have been around many places in Austria. In Austria this is absolutely never been an issue and not an issue for me, in fact the same is true of places in the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

If you have been to Austria and Vienna ever before you would have noticed how incredibly excessively polite Austrians and especially the Viennese are to tourists and outsiders. In fact many Viennese people think people in Vienna are rude but very few tourists would ever think so. Also none of the places in Austria are really cheap dives like some places in Germany ie NWR.

I thought you had been to many places in Germany because I recognize your username. As you may know this is not an issue either in all the nice establishments in Germany, the only decent place I have heard of that poses this problem is GT in Germany not Austria.

Why? NWR is like the mid lands of the UK, a bit nicer but similar. This is where the disgruntled industrial working class live and this is where a lot of poor minorities live, so this is an area of relatively higher racial tension. The clubs that have this issue in Germany are usually extremely cheap dives reserved for cliche clientele. Many AO clubs, which I am not interested in are like this if you read further on this forum. The only place I got inquiries from reception in ever, but nevertheless always got in, was Luder Lounge in Dortmund. It is an upper class dive, but nonetheless a dive.

Austria in general and Austrian clubs are far removed from the cheap dive type clubs in NWR, so this issue would not present itself. The places that do this in Germany are not high class establishments or have niche clientel. I had a great time in Luder Lounge overall but I was surprised how many of the customers told me how much they hate certain minorities in NWR and so on.

In Austria, I know the country reasonably well, is not set up like this at all and that is why Massimo reacted the way he did, as you may have noticed he is like a lot of Austrians excessively polite in general. I am surprised however that someone with the mongering experience you have would actually be worried about this.

Massimo Potente
04-04-18, 11:17
I apologise if I was impolite and insensitive, of course.

I should've just re-assured you that there is nothing to worry about because there isn't. You will be welcomed in all those places you mentioned as if you were a white man. In our defense, it is very tiring to be called upon a so-called right-wing tendency and exaggerate a (for many of us) promising situation into a problem which in all likelihood doesn't exist. Therefore I apologise again but please let's be done with politics.

as for a hopefully last word on the tipping. We don't tip average or bad service. Who would!?

Sebastiane
04-05-18, 16:49
Thank you Massimo and Delta. You are right I should have known better given my FKK experience but I appreciate your answers anyway. I look forward to my visit. I've been to Wien before but that was before I discovered mongering joys of FKK etc!

And no you were not rude at all Massimo.

MonSooner
04-06-18, 00:05
So I was just wondering: How much did this girl Rebecca charge? Did she do it well / with tongue? And does she also do completion in her mouth?.She charged 200 föare an Hour. That was 150 Basic and 50 for BBBJ and Kissing with tongue. So same price that she asked in Maxim. I believe she recognized me from there as well but it didn't come up. It was one of her last days at Juchgasse and she mentioned that she was about to go home. She is heavenly. Didn't ask for CIM, can't help with that.

Let's see if she will be back. At the moment she is still listed at Maxim what indicates that she hasn't announced to them that she'd leave, I suppose.

Sebastiane
04-06-18, 14:37
Just to ensure I take enough cash, after reading these forums, is it true that:

Golden Time is 90 e entry and 60 euros for 30 minutes. This should include DFK, BBBJ and sex.

Babylon is 500/ hour but one may eat and drink and talk to girls all night and if one doesn't go with a girl it is just 100 euros? If one goes with a girl the 100 euros is waived?

Maxim is 240/ hour plus price of a drink?

Is Funpalast also 60/30?

Regarding money, do these clubs have ATMs?

Thanks. Look forward to visiting Vienna now and will write a report back as per usual. BTW how does the food in GT compare with food in German FKKs?

Are there any BDSM studios anyone can recommend to meet a Mistress / Domina for the more kinkier aspects of sex?

Pistons
04-06-18, 15:00
It was one of her last days at Juchgasse and she mentioned that she was about to go home. She is heavenly. Didn't ask for CIM, can't help with that.There is this one Romanian where I live (the only one I occasionally visit the last year or so) who has been here for 18 months or so. For the last 12 months she has claimed weekly on her blog that it is her 'last few days before leaving and going home'. Funny marketing tactics. Now she even sends sms's every 2nd week saying she is around only for a few more days. LOL!

Massimo Potente
04-07-18, 00:06
There is this one Romanian where I live (the only one I occasionally visit the last year or so) who has been here for 18 months or so. For the last 12 months she has claimed weekly on her blog that it is her 'last few days before leaving and going home'. Funny marketing tactics. Now she even sends sms's every 2nd week saying she is around only for a few more days. LOL!I assume this tactics may work often enough to keep it going. In Rebecca's case, though, it seems to be true that she left. Makes sense since it is Romanian Easter. And she is not listed on Juchgasse's website anymore. Maxim still lists her but shows the vacation flag, so it is very likely that way.

Massimo Potente
04-07-18, 00:20
Just to ensure I take enough cash, after reading these forums, is it true that:

Golden Time is 90 e entry and 60 euros for 30 minutes. This should include DFK, BBBJ and sex.

Babylon is 500/ hour but one may eat and drink and talk to girls all night and if one doesn't go with a girl it is just 100 euros? If one goes with a girl the 100 euros is waived?

Maxim is 240/ hour plus price of a drink?

Is Funpalast also 60/30?

Regarding money, do these clubs have ATMs?

Thanks. Look forward to visiting Vienna now and will write a report back as per usual. BTW how does the food in GT compare with food in German FKKs?

Are there any BDSM studios anyone can recommend to meet a Mistress / Domina for the more kinkier aspects of sex?In Maxim an hour is 200 in a normal room. Prices of the lady drinks range from 38 to infinity. The standard drink that usually every girl is very content with is 87. You can look it up on the drink menu which can be viewed online.

Funpalast is also 60 for 30 and only 15€ entry basically. I think by now everybody knows the new price setting at FP.

GT has an ATM on site, no chance to pay with credit cards, though. Everything only cash. Babylon accepts all cards, so does Maxim. Both do not have an ATM in the club but close by there are plenty.

Food in GT is sometimes good and sometimes not that great. It is definitely worse than OASE and Sharks at the current state. But still better than what I "experienced" in Acapulco.

Maxim has a domina and a BDSM room and they are placing ads everywhere so seems they want to get serious with this from now on.

Line-up in this Easter period might be bad on certain days. GT will probably be all right on any given day, though. Even with some stunners gone, some will have stuck around. In Maxim it depends on the day at the moment. It wasn't great yesterday and all girls were super busy.

Last week it was still amazing but 5 or 6 of the better looking girls have gone home.

If we believe the announced return dates that one can see on the site, in 10-14 days, the line-up will be very good again. Now Alexandra and Daisy stick out for real. I think they will make most of the rooms for a week or so at least, since Alina, Aisha, Ariana, Daisy, Antonia, Eva, Bella, Jasmina, Virginia (my latest love) are all away.

MasterUnivrs
04-07-18, 00:45
She charged 200 fare an Hour. That was 150 Basic and 50 for BBBJ and Kissing with tongue. So same price that she asked in Maxim. I believe she recognized me from there as well but it didn't come up. It was one of her last days at Juchgasse and she mentioned that she was about to go home. She is heavenly. Didn't ask for CIM, can't help with that.

Let's see if she will be back. At the moment she is still listed at Maxim what indicates that she hasn't announced to them that she'd leave, I suppose.Well inspired by your report I had her come over as an escort; I am rather passionate about kissing and consequently was very disappointed when she announced to me that she does not do that.

So either you are quite the charmer MonSooner to get an exception or I must really work on my looks and / or breath.

As always it is frustrating when bitches deny you a pleasure that they do provide to others.

Such is life. But I will certainly not have her back.

Massimo Potente
04-07-18, 09:59
Well inspired by your report I had her come over as an escort; I am rather passionate about kissing and consequently was very disappointed when she announced to me that she does not do that.

So either you are quite the charmer MonSooner to get an exception or I must really work on my looks and / or breath.

As always it is frustrating when bitches deny you a pleasure that they do provide to others.

Such is life. But I will certainly not have her back.Was that when she was in Juchgasse or through the Maxim escort service?
Sucks for sure. But I won't act as if that hasn't happened to me as well multiple times. And in every location.

MonSooner
04-07-18, 11:27
Well inspired by your report I had her come over as an escort; I am rather passionate about kissing and consequently was very disappointed when she announced to me that she does not do that.

So either you are quite the charmer MonSooner to get an exception or I must really work on my looks and / or breath.

As always it is frustrating when bitches deny you a pleasure that they do provide to others.

Such is life. But I will certainly not have her back.The topic never came up until it happened. Means I didn't talk about it during the sex. OWO I knew she would do because of the other places she worked at where she can't not do it. The kissing just happened and yet I had to pay for it which I learned after the fact.

Don't beat yourself up about it. We are going through those experiences all the time. Girls are not constant in what they offer and charge. I really think the kissing happened because I didn't order it beforehand. As I said, I paid for it, it isn't that great of an achievement one way or the other in hindsight.

I will repeat if she returns.

MonSooner
04-07-18, 11:32
Babylon is 500/ hour but one may eat and drink and talk to girls all night and if one doesn't go with a girl it is just 100 euros? If one goes with a girl the 100 euros is waived?
That's exactly right.

Zorp 001
04-07-18, 13:36
Well inspired by your report I had her come over as an escort; I am rather passionate about kissing and consequently was very disappointed when she announced to me that she does not do that.

So either you are quite the charmer MonSooner to get an exception or I must really work on my looks and / or breath.

As always it is frustrating when bitches deny you a pleasure that they do provide to others.

Such is life. But I will certainly not have her back.Sorry to hear about your experience, it always sucks when something like this happens. How would you rate Rebecca's looks and most importantly her body though? She has among the best figures I ever saw for real. Her tattoos are also particularly interesting to say the least.

Itponaus
04-07-18, 18:33
That's exactly right.This is my interpretation, because I was not yet in Babylon in Vienna, Salzburg or Klagenfurt. I hope that Sybarite2006, MonSooner or someone else will confirm or deny it:

Entry fee is 100. The first half an hour is 400 and every next half an hour is 100.

If a guest will go to a room for the first hour, will pay 500 (400+100), but will get back entry fee 100. Total cost will be 400. For two hours in a room total cost would be 400+200 = 600.

HDN2015
04-08-18, 08:32
Hi all,

I spent few days in Wien, and like everyone I tried the GT. It is a good one, but the admission fee was is still a barrier.

I kept searching and I have learnt the game in Wien is made by "Studios" I tried this one:"studio relaxe".

I looked at the models profils, I wrote an email, they replied promptly so then I booked a session with a models.

Standar prices is 100 euros for 60 minutes BBJ. Basicaly the services are mentioned in the description.

I have learn there is a particularity in Vienna, you could have sex without codom but it requieres a medicinal reviews for the 2 parts.

Massimo Potente
04-08-18, 10:01
This is my interpretation, because I was not yet in Babylon in Vienna, Salzburg or Klagenfurt. I hope that Sybarite2006, MonSooner or someone else will confirm or deny it:

Entry fee is 100. The first half an hour is 400 and every next half an hour is 100.

If a guest will go to a room for the first hour, will pay 500 (400+100), but will get back entry fee 100. Total cost will be 400. For two hours in a room total cost would be 400+200 = 600.I'd rather expect 1 hour 500 and 2 hour 700. You don't "get back" the enty fee. It is waived.

Nimble Monkey
04-08-18, 15:51
I'd rather expect 1 hour 500 and 2 hour 700. You don't "get back" the enty fee. It is waived.That is a shit load of €€€€€. How are they still in biz?

Itponaus
04-08-18, 16:40
I'd rather expect 1 hour 500 and 2 hour 700. You don't "get back" the enty fee. It is waived.Thanks Massimo. I think I understand their business model now.

Massimo Potente
04-08-18, 23:32
How are they still in biz?They earn more money than places that can only ask cheap prices.

MonSooner
04-09-18, 12:03
That is a shit load of . How are they still in biz?Quite self-explanatory, don't you think?

CarExpert
04-09-18, 18:21
Hi guys,

Do any of you guys know of ladies in GT will to get cum on face?

Massimo Potente
04-10-18, 00:04
Hi guys,

Do any of you guys know of ladies in GT will to get cum on face?Most of them for some kind of extra payment. But I don't which girls are actually present at the moment.

Pistons
04-11-18, 18:43
They earn more money than places that can only ask cheap prices.Do these girls actually get rooms every day? Or how is the visitor numbers at Babylon?

MonSooner
04-11-18, 21:50
Do these girls actually get rooms every day? Or how is the visitor numbers at Babylon?Who knows that for sure. But they certainly can attract more high profile clients. I suppose Massimo meant to say that the club is easily more profitable than cheaper places in that more money can be made with whales.

Massimo Potente
04-12-18, 01:36
Who knows that for sure. But they certainly can attract more high profile clients. I suppose Massimo meant to say that the club is easily more profitable than cheaper places in that more money can be made with whales.GT, Maxim and Babylon are without a doubt the most profitable places in Vienna by a landslide and that is because they don't go the budget route.

It's for sure because of the "whales" who might compensate particularly the girls for lower visitor numbers. Of course neither Babylon nor Maxim have visitor counts like the FKKs do. It's a different experience and deal all together. For the girls just as much as it is for the clients. All 3 clubs are doing very well in their domain.

Nimble Monkey
04-12-18, 02:12
GT, Maxim and Babylon are without a doubt the most profitable places in Vienna by a landslide and that is because they don't go the budget route.

It's for sure because of the "whales" who might compensate particularly the girls for lower visitor numbers. Of course neither Babylon nor Maxim have visitor counts like the FKKs do. It's a different experience and deal all together. For the girls just as much as it is for the clients. All 3 clubs are doing very well in their domain.Thanks Massimo. Do you think there is a difference in the quality of girls in Babylon which charges the premium vs Maxim and GT?

Pistons
04-12-18, 04:10
OK, but how many hours is a club like Babylon open? And why pay 700 for one hour when I sometimes get offers from the best ever FKK girls to have them for an entire day of 10 or 12 hours for 700 euro total? (I even got this offer from a Wellcum girl. She said 10 hours.) ok, I may be able to fuck 4 or 5 times in that period. So that is a hell of a deal if I am in the mood and feel good on the wallet. Why would I ever consider a place like Babylon? Or even Maxim for that matter?

Massimo Potente
04-12-18, 10:38
Thanks Massimo. Do you think there is a difference in the quality of girls in Babylon which charges the premium vs Maxim and GT?There was once was a difference but nowadays there isn't a difference anymore.

Pistons. 500 for an hour, 700 for 2 hours I think. Babylon opens at 19:00 and closes at 04:00 but other than GT they will party on if the right people are inside. Same for Maxim.

There are way more people than you think who feel uncomfortable in Saunaclubs. Others think it is beneath them and others are / feel too important to be seen in an open place like an FKK. And others don't want to be in a robe or towel and others don't want to be or look the same like every other normal guy but rather wants to stick out. And some people just want to spend money and show it and brag. And some people don't want to be with a girl who has already fucked a bunch of other guys. And others don't want to be seen walking in and out of the room doing the walk of shame. And others don't want to watch another guy doing the walk of shame. And the list goes on.

I think Austrian places like Babylon, Maxim, Casabianca, Carisma in Graz don't ever need to fear FKKs threatening their existence. The FKKs are having a tough time as it is with getting it right and many of them never find the right price and method to be profitable. Good examples are Paradise in Graz, Funpalast in Vienna (had to cut the entry fee almost all together) and Fresh club. They don't get it right and don't even understand why the heck they don't.

As for the deal you are getting for 700. Others will maybe not be that lucky and will be charged a whole lot more. And generally I wouldn't recommend taking girls out of the clubs (without paying the club as well in some form) unless you are a pro at it and know how to deal and conceal it. If you do that in the wrong club and management gets wind of it, this will definitely end the girl's career in that club and your privilege to enter the place. It is not a recommended strategy if you ask me. Especially Wellcum will not hesitate to ban that girl instantly taking away the chance of making thousand and tens of thousands in the future. I am sure you know your stuff but don't make this sound enticing to non-experienced mongers as if it was an easy thing to pull off. This can easily blow up in your face in many ways.

There are escort agencies and there are FKKs and there are stripclub / brothel types of location and there are the so-called elite sex nightclub places and there are the crappy dump-like studios all of which have their place in the scene. I don't think that we have to philosophically question why they exist and why whales like to spend money openly and excessively.

MonSooner
04-12-18, 10:58
Thanks Massimo. Do you think there is a difference in the quality of girls in Babylon which charges the premium vs Maxim and GT?Is there such a thing as quality of girls? They are all the same quality but work in different clubs for differenf reasons.

The fact that girls in FKKs are now starting to charge 100 and don't really want to do 60 sessions anymore should be indicative to how they think about the quality of clients coming. It's a never ending problem. Price discussions won't get us very far, I think.

Nimble Monkey
04-12-18, 17:52
Is there such a thing as quality of girls? They are all the same quality but work in different clubs for differenf reasons.

The fact that girls in FKKs are now starting to charge 100 and don't really want to do 60 sessions anymore should be indicative to how they think about the quality of clients coming. It's a never ending problem. Price discussions won't get us very far, I think.I would respectfully beg to differ. There is a difference in the quality of girls. Absolutely, some providers are consistently better at providing good service to their clients than others? They like their clients and enjoy what they do. Others, not so much. My question was if your are paying a higher price you should be getting a very enthusiastic session I would hope.

Massimo Potente
04-12-18, 21:45
I would agree that it is not the quality of the girls but the quality of service. Yes, it makes sense that a girl should be more enthusiastic if she collects almost double the money for an hour than in an FKK. Is that always the case? Of course not, it is still the same girl and it still depends on the situation and the client she is with. With the prices being very different in those 3 clubs and systems, many girls have already worked in all 3 of them and some even in all 4 if we add FP into the mix which I am not eager to do at this point.

But you know what's true for all girls working at all of those clubs? Each and every one of them wants to make more and more and if there is a whale in plain sight, then he is the "quality" in the room. LOL.

Now if you would ask me where the management tries to manipulate the girls into offering the best possible service, then Babylon and Maxim would be way ahead the FKKs in Vienna. Failure happens everywhere, though, but generally management at the nightclubs care more about how your experience was compared to GT.

YMMV.

MythoVirus
04-12-18, 22:14
Massimo-Potente since you are the expert, any idea in, GT Linz? Last trip I was so close to visit it however I didn't find an acceptable hotel next to it so I decided to keep it standby for next time.

Some common questions, number of WG / day, price, upselling / or bad service?, the club itself is it good (big / intresting)?

(Comparsion with GT Vienna can help as I was there twice).

And as I heard they offer Hookah, is the location of Hookah liberal throghout the club, or isolated in a small room only.

And to sum it up, what's your opinion, is it worth visiting or better to avois, since I usually have 2-3 vacations days therefore my days are very limited and I can't afford losing a day in a medicore club.

Pistons
04-13-18, 05:42
There was once was a difference but nowadays there isn't a difference anymore.

Pistons. 500 for an hour, 700 for 2 hours I think. Babylon opens at 19:00 and closes at 04:00 but other than GT they will party on if the right people are inside. Same for Maxim.

There are way more people than you think who feel uncomfortable in Saunaclubs. Others think it is beneath them and others are / feel too important to be seen in an open place like an FKK. And others don't want to be in a robe or towel and others don't want to be or look the same like every other normal guy but rather wants to stick out. And some people just want to spend money and show it and brag. And some people don't want to be with a girl who has already fucked a bunch of other guys. And others don't want to be seen walking in and out of the room doing the walk of shame. And others don't want to watch another guy doing the walk of shame. And the list goes on..Different countries seems to have different attitudes towards privacy and egos regarding splashing money. I find it perfectly fine to discuss these things on a forum like this. To me, the Austrian market sounds weired. Especially in Vienna. But it is catered towards Austrians. And I suppose you have a point if a place like Babylon caters to CEO's of major firms, like Donald Trump's etc. I don't think such a club would have lasted one month where I live on the other hand because the richest people are usually the cheapest ones too around here. And the poorest people who try to splash their money, they either don't have, or would find 500 or 700 to be too much as well.

About my offer at Wellcum, I did not say that I took it. And I did not say that it was outside of the club. At a place like Wellcum I see no point in leaving the club either. What would we do? Go skiing? Or fishing in a river? You can already bring her to your hotel room at the club, and the food is perfectly fine. Reading you, it reminds me of Artemis's old policy towards the girls socialising with customers outside of the club though. And I would know better than that even if there are easy ways to counter it. In Berlin that was more of a realistic option and idea than in Villach however. Yet I am not really the guy to do these things. In a warmer country perhaps. At a beach in Thailand or Spain. But not in cold Germany or Austria where shopping is the main thing a girl prefers. I have my limits, LOL.

Maybe the reason why GT Vienna and Wellcum works, while Fun Palast and Paradise Graz does not work is the focus on design at GT and Wellcum. It was perhaps the one thing that struck me the most, how well the design was done at both clubs. It brings you in the right mood with the right lighting and design, and both places stood out a notch above anything in Germany on this front I felt. So I assume the Austrian and Italian clientelle focusses more on this than the Germans do. And also, the girls might feel better if the place feels right.

Massimo Potente
04-13-18, 09:37
Massimo-Potente since you are the expert, any idea in, GT Linz? Last trip I was so close to visit it however I didn't find an acceptable hotel next to it so I decided to keep it standby for next time.

Some common questions, number of WG / day, price, upselling / or bad service?, the club itself is it good (big / intresting)?

(Comparsion with GT Vienna can help as I was there twice).

And as I heard they offer Hookah, is the location of Hookah liberal throghout the club, or isolated in a small room only.

And to sum it up, what's your opinion, is it worth visiting or better to avois, since I usually have 2-3 vacations days therefore my days are very limited and I can't afford losing a day in a medicore club.GT Linz (Leonding) is your best option in the whole area there. The club is pretty, better than GT in Vienna as far as the venue is concerned. Food is also much better. Girls are not comparable to GT Vienna and there will be less of them. I don't know about Hookah use, sorry. I think it is worth a visit for sure. Service level of the girls has varied much since they opened. At some point it was regarded as bad service and the girls openly charged extra for BBBJ and kissing but nowadays they don't anymore. So yeah, I would check it out if I were you, also the outside area with the sauna and pool is good. This belongs in the Linz thread, though.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1626-Linz

MonSooner
04-13-18, 09:50
I would agree that it is not the quality of the girls but the quality of service. Yes, it makes sense that a girl should be more enthusiastic if she collects almost double the money for an hour than in an FKK. Is that always the case? Of course not, it is still the same girl and it still depends on the situation and the client she is with. With the prices being very different in those 3 clubs and systems, many girls have already worked in all 3 of them and some even in all 4 if we add FP into the mix which I am not eager to do at this point.

But you know what's true for all girls working at all of those clubs? Each and every one of them wants to make more and more and if there is a whale in plain sight, then he is the "quality" in the room. LOL.

Now if you would ask me where the management tries to manipulate the girls into offering the best possible service, then Babylon and Maxim would be way ahead the FKKs in Vienna. Failure happens everywhere, though, but generally management at the nightclubs care more about how your experience was compared to GT.

YMMV.I think that this wasn't at all true a few years ago and now it became true. If you speak to GT regulars all you will hear when asked about the management and owners is "they don't give a rat's ass".

This is what being the alpha FKK makes you, it seems.

As always, this is true now, can be different next week. But I feel it has been that way for a while.

Massimo Potente
04-13-18, 17:27
I find it perfectly fine to discuss these things on a forum like this.Sure, me too and It's all good. And you are making some solid poionts but I have discussed it so often already that I feel like I am part of the "Groundhog Day".

Besides, nobody is right or wrong here but I feel like I understand the position of each mentioned club quite well. I even feel that I can often predict which one is on the rise and which one isn't. After all every market follows certain business rules. Even if they seem weird to some guys, they are still market and business rules which are not dictated by personal preferences of individual clients. For example I have no fricking clue how Globe in Switzerland is doing so well. I really don't want to be there ever again even if you pay my whole night. And yet they are all the rave for I don't know how long.

Itponaus
04-13-18, 19:09
Maybe the reason why GT Vienna and Wellcum works, while Fun Palast and Paradise Graz does not work is the focus on design at GT and Wellcum. It was perhaps the one thing that struck me the most, how well the design was done at both clubs. It brings you in the right mood with the right lighting and design, and both places stood out a notch above anything in Germany on this front I felt. So I assume the Austrian and Italian clientelle focusses more on this than the Germans do. And also, the girls might feel better if the place feels right.I think that a design is not the only reason. Wellcum has been designed as sauna club, but GT is quite improvised ("restaurant", rooms, location of saunas). As I know there was a supermarket before.

Of course, girls offer good services in both clubs, what is most important.

Massimo Potente
04-14-18, 10:11
I think that a design is not the only reason. Wellcum has been designed as sauna club, but GT is quite improvised ("restaurant", rooms, location of saunas). As I know there was a supermarket before.

Of course, girls offer good services in both clubs, what is most important.In GT's case at least it is not the design that sets them apart. Funpalast was never close to being a valid rival even when GT's design was less interesting prior to 2016 when the changes were made. Of course FP's design is super flawed in every imaginable aspect except for sheer size.

GT has, as far as FKK is concerned, the first-mover advantage and has never given that away. It's reputation is solid and deserved and they are doing a good job keeping the girls satisfied.

Wellcum is a different animal. Its design is superior for sure (although Andiamo is basically the same design style) and they dominate everything in their area with relative ease. Despite the fact that Andiamo was the first mover and used to be a major force. What you see in Wellcum now in terms of number of clients and girls, Andiamo had all that and more when they were still good.

I think it is nice that we can speak about so many good, professional and prosperous clubs.

Zorp 001
04-14-18, 10:31
I think Babylon is for a specific clientele and considering how many rich guys go to Vienna to spend their money, the club is most probably not going to have any issues anytime soon. The pricing in Babylon is out of my budget limit most of the time, and I know that it is not for me.

On the other hand, there are places like Maxim that offer a good service for a reasonable price for an average Joe like me. The thing I like about the paysex scene in Vienna is that there is something for everyone depending on how much money you want to spend. You can literally choose to spend anywhere from 40 euros all the way up to the Babylon level 700 euro service. Obviously the latter is not for everyone, but I don't think the club is having any financial problems whatsoever.

Pistons
04-14-18, 19:47
Wellcum is a different animal. Its design is superior for sure (although Andiamo is basically the same design style) and they dominate everything in their area with relative ease. Despite the fact that Andiamo was the first mover and used to be a major force. What you see in Wellcum now in terms of number of clients and girls, Andiamo had all that and more when they were still good.So why do you think almost everyone moved from Andiamo to Wellcum? Girls and clients?

Pistons
04-14-18, 19:58
I have to add though, Wellcum is not really dominating everyone in the area, the competition from Marina in Slovenia is much larger than the Andiamo competition. Easily seen when talking to all the Italians. And Marina is a new club as well, and about the same age as Wellcum I suppose. It is not quite as good as Wellcum, but it does take a fair market share and has a better location from an Italian point of view. Whereas before, the Italians had Andiamo as an alternative. Or they had to go to Switzerland further west and pay higher prices. Now with Marina and Wellcum opening, the Swiss clubs seems to have lost some of their Italian customers too. The rates in the Lugano clubs have dropped heavily the last 5-10 years. I wonder if this is part of the reason.

Dubner32
04-15-18, 00:48
Pistons, Agree your previous post. I used to go to Lugano from Milano area, mainly Ocean. Absolutely no comparison with Marina (SLO) or Welcum / Andiamo (A).

Ocean featured low quality, massive upselling in room and poor service. Any Italian with a machina, a wallet and a brain would go noerth east.

Hawkeyee
04-15-18, 15:00
Hey guys,

I am planning to visit Vienna soon and thinking to visit GT.

Would like to know if there is any weekday it will be too overcrowded with men?

Massimo Potente
04-15-18, 16:35
So why do you think almost everyone moved from Andiamo to Wellcum? Girls and clients?It felt to me that the skilled part of Andiamo's management left or was removed and eventually ended up at Wellcum. And like that the power shifted. I am not really sure that this is true but so it seemed reasonable enough to believe that.

Pistons
04-15-18, 20:13
Pistons, Agree your previous post. I used to go to Lugano from Milano area, mainly Ocean. Absolutely no comparison with Marina (SLO) or Welcum / Andiamo (A).

Ocean featured low quality, massive upselling in room and poor service. Any Italian with a machina, a wallet and a brain would go noerth east.I have met some girls in various clubs who have left the Lugano clubs behind, so I've heard some stories. Aurora at Wellcum being one, basically saying Lugano is useless these days. And I met a great girl at Oceans in Düsseldorf last year who had just come from a Lugano club too. But she told me the clubs there were small. Unfortunately I only saw her once and was a bit tempted to check out the Lugano scene, but I've changed my mind.

MaloneJE
04-16-18, 17:38
Does anybody know if the girls at Goldentime in Vienna all walk around completely naked, or do they wear bra / panties?

Are there any lingerie nights, where the girls all must wear a bra / panties?

Massimo Potente
04-17-18, 11:09
Does anybody know if the girls at Goldentime in Vienna all walk around completely naked, or do they wear bra / panties?

Are there any lingerie nights, where the girls all must wear a bra / panties?They walk around / sit around naked or almost naked. Some girls wear panties sometimes but usually they don't. Mondays used to be lingerie days but I am not certain if that is still a thing anymore.

As for the question which weekdays can be overcrowded. I don't think any day is overcrowded at the moment. If any, then Friday and Saturday. Sunday is very weak and Monday often too.

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04-19-18, 07:52
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MonSooner
04-21-18, 16:19
Just when we gave up searching for Eva she suddenly appears back in GT. That's all the Information I have so far. She didn't recognize me yet.

Some guys will be pretty happy about this.

BTW, this is live from GT in scorching heat on the outside.

Chubzy Maximus
04-21-18, 23:17
They walk around / sit around naked or almost naked. Some girls wear panties sometimes but usually they don't. Mondays used to be lingerie days but I am not certain if that is still a thing anymore.

As for the question which weekdays can be overcrowded. I don't think any day is overcrowded at the moment. If any, then Friday and Saturday. Sunday is very weak and Monday often too.Hey guys,

If I may ask a silly question and please forgive me for being naive on the matter as I am a newbie. I m prob going to stop by Goldentime during my brief visit to Vienna. When exactly does the terrace (which I understand GT has) open up? I heard it's a nice place to escape to between sessions for some downtime. Otherwise it's tough finding an area to just lounge in, especially if it's crowded?

Thanks.

MonSooner
04-22-18, 13:41
. When exactly does the terrace (which I understand GT has) open up? I heard it's a nice place to escape to between sessions for some downtime. Otherwise it's tough finding an area to just lounge in, especially if it's crowded?

Thanks.It's already open. Officially it is supposed to open on Thursday but the garden or terrace if you will is in use by now.

Chubzy Maximus
04-22-18, 16:58
It's already open. Officially it is supposed to open on Thursday but the garden or terrace if you will is in use by now.Thank you MonSooner. Also, I take it smoking is allowed in this outdoor space?

Thanks.

MonSooner
04-22-18, 20:26
Thank you MonSooner. Also, I take it smoking is allowed in this outdoor space?

Thanks.In my opinion smoking is allowed everywhere. Inside as well as outside.

Live from Maxim.

I came early to catch Maya or Daisy. Daisy isn't here (yet again) or not yet anyway. So I am really determined to be with Maya again. Last time I was very drunk and it was still very memorable so clearly.

1. I will knock back a few again.

2. I will give it some waiting time to get in the mood and let it sink in.

It will certainly be Maya tonight. Alexandra and Amanda aren't here either so no distractions present.

TonkaChan
04-24-18, 06:36
I am planning to go to GordenTime or Funpalast tomorrow as a part of 1 day business trip. So, could you please suggest me if there is any decent hotel under EUR100 walking distance from GT or FP?

It does not need to be fancy as I just sleep there for a few hours, but I would like to stay at reasonably clean room. I have been to GT several times, but I could not find one before and Google Maps does not indicate a hotel, either. AirBnB is too complicated for a night sleep.

I appreciate if you give me any information.

Thank you.

Dark Physician
04-25-18, 02:31
Hey everyone,

First post and first report. I took a much needed vacation to Vienna and I decided to do some mongering on the side. This would be my first experience of this sort and this thread was a big help in that regard, though in hindsight I could have definitely used my time much better. I did all of my mongering in the late evening / night and unfortunately didn't manage to visit any FKK; hopefully next time!

On my first day I decided to visit Laufhaus Juchgasse 11, even though it doesn't have a great reputation here; it wasn't that far from my hotel though and I thought it would be a good way to get my feet wet. Most of the girls I fancied here were unfortunately either busy or absent; I ended up spending 30 minutes with a busty brunette named Rebecca who had, in my opinion, a great body. Unfortunately she didn't offer OWO or kissing, which was a shame. I'd say this was an okay session, nothing special. I have to say though, the worst part of this laufhaus was probably going through those staircases while already tired from travel and doing touristy stuff, LOL.

On my second day I visited Laufhaus Vienna in Triesterstrasse. You could tell right away this was a much better establishment than Juchgasse and I ended up having two sessions here, both very enjoyable. I particularly enjoyed the second session: I was in the mood for some big, fat tits and this girl named Sandra had an incredible pair. Although she was a bit on the chubbier side, her passionate service more than made up for it. All in all, If I was back in Vienna and I was in the mood for this type of experience, I'd definitely skip Juchgasse and go directly here: it was just much better.

My third day in Vienna I was a bit tired and wasn't sure if I was in the mood for any session, so I decided to just go grab a beer at Maxim in order to check it out. Keep in mind this would be my first time at a Night Club and I was pretty nervous about it, so just grabbing a beer to scope out the place sounded like a good idea. I get there around midnight on a Monday night and the place seems a bit dead. A bunch of girls that are sitting together say "Hi" (which I respond to) but I go straight for the bar to sit and order a very expensive Heineken (and I hate Heineken, seriously, what do you guys drink here). I finally look around while sipping on my expensive alcoholic water and next to me is sitting this gorgeous, auburn-haired girl. She introduces herself as Daisy and says she wouldn't mind going upstairs to have some fun. Now, I did my job and properly lurked through this thread, so I had read this name pop up multiple times with the highest of praise. I said I wasn't going to have any sessions, but I owed it to myself to see what all the fuss was about, especially when it's been said she's usually very busy. So I pay up and we head upstairs to a nice room with a jacuzzi. Unrelated, but I found the staff here kinda pushy with their menu. This is understandable and it's probably worse for tourists, but I still have no idea if it would've been possible for me to just kick back and enjoy a couple beers in the club. Anyway, back to Daisy. I have to say you guys were right. Without even taking into account how gorgeous I think this girl is, her service was on a whole different level compared to my previous experiences in Vienna. This is probably as good as GFE gets; she's pretty, very passionate, will do pretty much anything and she's also easy to talk to. I left Maxim completely satisfied; albeit much more expensive, this was a more enjoyable, fulfilling and relaxing experience compared to the laufhaus short sessions, which left me wondering if this was generally true for all girls at Maxim.

The next day, I'm still a bit tired but also still smitten by Daisy, so I decide to visit Maxim again. Unfortunately no Daisy in sight this time around; next to me is sitting Jasmina though and after a short chat she seems like a nice girl and also quite attractive, so I decide to take her to a room. Not like I had any idea about how I would've gone about just kicking back and watching that one girl dance, since the staff was still trying to push me stuff from the menu all the time. Again, understandable, but maybe take the foot off the pedal, let me talk to the lady and enjoy my crappy beer for a bit beforehand? Session with Jasmina was also pretty damn good. She's very passionate and also quite funny, though I would say the experience wasn't as intimate as it was with Daisy. Still very, very enjoyable though.

After that, I took a 2 days break from mongering to rest and because I had some business errands to run.

On my last day though, I really wanted to have another session with Daisy before leaving, so I decided to book her through the Maxim website. The whole process was pretty easy and smooth. She arrived a bit late but more than made up for it: I spent 2 amazing hours with her in my hotel room.

As I said at the beginning of this post, this was my first mongering experience and I'd have to say I'm pretty satisfied with it. Yes, I wouldn't visit Juchgasse if I could go back, but it wasn't that bad either. Vienna is a very nice city, full of options and I've only scratched the surface. I regret not having visited Goldentime, but hopefully there'll be a next time. I can't comment too much on the expensiveness of the services; Maxim is definitely expensive but I do feel like you get your money's worth and it generally felt like a classier experience (though Daisy lamented that the higher price didn't always stop the odd group of extremely rude peeps to show up). Prices in the laufhauses also seemed fair and I'm sure there are cheaper options.

Punter 101
04-25-18, 15:21
Hotel Zeitgeist is pretty decent. 5 min from the Train Station and 20 min walk to Golden Time. Closer to 150-200 EURO.


I am planning to go to GordenTime or Funpalast tomorrow as a part of 1 day business trip. So, could you please suggest me if there is any decent hotel under EUR100 walking distance from GT or FP?

It does not need to be fancy as I just sleep there for a few hours, but I would like to stay at reasonably clean room. I have been to GT several times, but I could not find one before and Google Maps does not indicate a hotel, either. AirBnB is too complicated for a night sleep.

I appreciate if you give me any information.

Thank you.

Gremlin Og
04-25-18, 17:15
Solid post, thanks. Question: did your time at Maxim include buying the girl's drink?


Hey everyone,

Hermann666
04-25-18, 17:33
Hey everyone,

First post and first report. I took a much needed vacation to Vienna and I decided to do some mongering on the side. This would be my first experience of this sort and this thread was a big help in that regard, though in hindsight I could have definitely used my time much better. I did all of my mongering in the late evening / night and unfortunately didn't manage to visit any FKK; hopefully next time!

On my first day I decided to visit Laufhaus Juchgasse 11, even though it doesn't have a great reputation here; it wasn't that far from my hotel though and I thought it would be a good way to get my feet wet. Most of the girls I fancied here were unfortunately either busy or absent; I ended up spending 30 minutes with a busty brunette named Rebecca who had, in my opinion, a great body. Unfortunately she didn't offer OWO or kissing, which was a shame. I'd say this was an okay session, nothing special. I have to say though, the worst part of this laufhaus was probably going through those staircases while already tired from travel and doing touristy stuff, LOL.

On my second day I visited Laufhaus Vienna in Triesterstrasse. You could tell right away this was a much better establishment than Juchgasse and I ended up having two sessions here, both very enjoyable. I particularly enjoyed the second session: I was in the mood for some big, fat tits and this girl named Sandra had an incredible pair. Although she was a bit on the chubbier side, her passionate service more than made up for it. All in all, If I was back in Vienna and I was in the mood for this type of experience, I'd definitely skip Juchgasse and go directly here: it was just much better.

My third day in Vienna I was a bit tired and wasn't sure if I was in the mood for any session, so I decided to just go grab a beer at Maxim in order to check it out. Keep in mind this would be my first time at a Night Club and I was pretty nervous about it, so just grabbing a beer to scope out the place sounded like a good idea. I get there around midnight on a Monday night and the place seems a bit dead. A bunch of girls that are sitting together say "Hi" (which I respond to) but I go straight for the bar to sit and order a very expensive Heineken (and I hate Heineken, seriously, what do you guys drink here). I finally look around while sipping on my expensive alcoholic water and next to me is sitting this gorgeous, auburn-haired girl. She introduces herself as Daisy and says she wouldn't mind going upstairs to have some fun. Now, I did my job and properly lurked through this thread, so I had read this name pop up multiple times with the highest of praise. I said I wasn't going to have any sessions, but I owed it to myself to see what all the fuss was about, especially when it's been said she's usually very busy. So I pay up and we head upstairs to a nice room with a jacuzzi. Unrelated, but I found the staff here kinda pushy with their menu. This is understandable and it's probably worse for tourists, but I still have no idea if it would've been possible for me to just kick back and enjoy a couple beers in the club. Anyway, back to Daisy. I have to say you guys were right. Without even taking into account how gorgeous I think this girl is, her service was on a whole different level compared to my previous experiences in Vienna. This is probably as good as GFE gets; she's pretty, very passionate, will do pretty much anything and she's also easy to talk to. I left Maxim completely satisfied; albeit much more expensive, this was a more enjoyable, fulfilling and relaxing experience compared to the laufhaus short sessions, which left me wondering if this was generally true for all girls at Maxim.

The next day, I'm still a bit tired but also still smitten by Daisy, so I decide to visit Maxim again. Unfortunately no Daisy in sight this time around; next to me is sitting Jasmina though and after a short chat she seems like a nice girl and also quite attractive, so I decide to take her to a room. Not like I had any idea about how I would've gone about just kicking back and watching that one girl dance, since the staff was still trying to push me stuff from the menu all the time. Again, understandable, but maybe take the foot off the pedal, let me talk to the lady and enjoy my crappy beer for a bit beforehand? Session with Jasmina was also pretty damn good. She's very passionate and also quite funny, though I would say the experience wasn't as intimate as it was with Daisy. Still very, very enjoyable though.

After that, I took a 2 days break from mongering to rest and because I had some business errands to run.

On my last day though, I really wanted to have another session with Daisy before leaving, so I decided to book her through the Maxim website. The whole process was pretty easy and smooth. She arrived a bit late but more than made up for it: I spent 2 amazing hours with her in my hotel room.

As I said at the beginning of this post, this was my first mongering experience and I'd have to say I'm pretty satisfied with it. Yes, I wouldn't visit Juchgasse if I could go back, but it wasn't that bad either. Vienna is a very nice city, full of options and I've only scratched the surface. I regret not having visited Goldentime, but hopefully there'll be a next time. I can't comment too much on the expensiveness of the services; Maxim is definitely expensive but I do feel like you get your money's worth and it generally felt like a classier experience (though Daisy lamented that the higher price didn't always stop the odd group of extremely rude peeps to show up). Prices in the laufhauses also seemed fair and I'm sure there are cheaper options.Great report. I also visited Laufhaus Vienna when I was there a cople of years ago. Not to bad. Lots of pretty young girls. The other two days I met with two different independent private escorts I found on the internet before the trip. Both girls were great.

Massimo Potente
04-26-18, 10:36
Hey everyone,

First post and first report. I took a much needed vacation to Vienna and I decided to do some mongering on the side.First post = splendid post.

I think this is how it should be. Enjoy the city as a priority and do the mongering on the side with a cherry on top.

DietCoke18
04-26-18, 15:08
Hey everyone,

First post and first report. I took a much needed vacation to Vienna and I decided to do some mongering on the side. This would be my first experience of this sort and this thread was a big help in that regard, though in hindsight I could have definitely used my time much better. I did all of my mongering in the late evening / night and unfortunately didn't manage to visit any FKK; hopefully next time!

On my first day I decided to visit Laufhaus Juchgasse 11, even though it doesn't have a great reputation here; it wasn't that far from my hotel though and I thought it would be a good way to get my feet wet. Most of the girls I fancied here were unfortunately either busy or absent; I ended up spending 30 minutes with a busty brunette named Rebecca who had, in my opinion, a great body. Unfortunately she didn't offer OWO or kissing, which was a shame. I'd say this was an okay session, nothing special. I have to say though, the worst part of this laufhaus was probably going through those staircases while already tired from travel and doing touristy stuff, LOL.

On my second day I visited Laufhaus Vienna in Triesterstrasse. You could tell right away this was a much better establishment than Juchgasse and I ended up having two sessions here, both very enjoyable. I particularly enjoyed the second session: I was in the mood for some big, fat tits and this girl named Sandra had an incredible pair. Although she was a bit on the chubbier side, her passionate service more than made up for it. All in all, If I was back in Vienna and I was in the mood for this type of experience, I'd definitely skip Juchgasse and go directly here: it was just much better.

My third day in Vienna I was a bit tired and wasn't sure if I was in the mood for any session, so I decided to just go grab a beer at Maxim in order to check it out. Keep in mind this would be my first time at a Night Club and I was pretty nervous about it, so just grabbing a beer to scope out the place sounded like a good idea. I get there around midnight on a Monday night and the place seems a bit dead. A bunch of girls that are sitting together say "Hi" (which I respond to) but I go straight for the bar to sit and order a very expensive Heineken (and I hate Heineken, seriously, what do you guys drink here). I finally look around while sipping on my expensive alcoholic water and next to me is sitting this gorgeous, auburn-haired girl. She introduces herself as Daisy and says she wouldn't mind going upstairs to have some fun. Now, I did my job and properly lurked through this thread, so I had read this name pop up multiple times with the highest of praise. I said I wasn't going to have any sessions, but I owed it to myself to see what all the fuss was about, especially when it's been said she's usually very busy. So I pay up and we head upstairs to a nice room with a jacuzzi. Unrelated, but I found the staff here kinda pushy with their menu. This is understandable and it's probably worse for tourists, but I still have no idea if it would've been possible for me to just kick back and enjoy a couple beers in the club. Anyway, back to Daisy. I have to say you guys were right..I've recently spent a week in Vienna for the first time and I had a very similar experience. I've done some research beforehand and Maxim and Peepshow Burggasse seemed like the places that I would like. I also considered FKKs, but that system doesn't seem appealing to me at all, so I skipped that scene entirely.

My first visit was to Maxim. I arrived close to midnight on a Thursday and the club was actually pretty full at that time. Maybe Mondays are good days if you want less people, not sure. Just like you Dark Physician, I was already sold on Daisy and was eager to meet her, but I didn't see her in the club that night. Since no Daisy, I started looking around for other candidates. I stayed for a bit longer and at first I just talked with the bartender, no girls came. After what must have been an hour or so Amanda came to me, right after she danced on the stage. We started talking and to be honest, she seemed a bit childish at first. Regardless, I told her that we should go up to the room, because she looked very sexy. She has a super cute face and smile and it was a completely different story in the room. She really did an amazing job, great GFE, for sure. She was willing to do lots of things on top for extra money, but I went with the standard program which included kissing and OWO.

I went back down to the club after finishing with Alexandra, as I wasn't ready to leave yet. I grabbed another drink and that's when I saw Amanda. We started talking and I immediately felt that she is much more experienced than Alexandra. She kinda has a porn star look and demeanor, but she's very easy to approach and easy to talk to. After a few minutes of talking, I told her that I wanted to continue our conversation upstairs in a room. Much like Alexandra, Amanda was good in the sack too and she did everything we discussed.

After a couple of days of resting and looking around in the city, I was ready for another taste of Vienna's sex scene. My next destination was Peepshow Burggasse, which as it turns out isn't my cup of tea. Although the place is as well done as it can be with that particular system, it lacks any class. The lineup wasn't that great either, but at least I saw one girl that I liked; Natalie. Nice, very likeable girl, actually a pretty decent service provider. She claims to be from England, but I highly doubt that. If you ask me, she is from Romania. Interestingly enough, she also said her name was Beatrice, but on the site she's Natalie. The prices in Peepshow Burggasse were lower than in Maxim and at least some of the girls looked good, but it wasnt enough to make up for the lack of atmosphere. Also, I got a feeling that people didn't want to be seen there. Nobody was socializing and it seemed like guys felt guilty for being there if anything.

Last day in Vienna, I still wanted to have sex with Daisy, so I called the club to see if she's in beforehand instead of leaving it to chance. The plan was to spend some time in Maxim first and then take her to the hotel with me if the chemistry was there. I must say that you were extremely lucky to catch Daisy on two occasions, because she really is hard to book. When I got in, she was already busy in the room, but after 20 minutes or so she came down and already knew I was waiting for her. I paid €250 at the bar for an hour escort and left with Daisy. I opted for a one hour session, but I ended up extending our time with Daisy to three hours. The three hour session costs €600, one hour was €250, so I paid her the difference in cash. All it took was a call to the club to confirm, which was also hustle-free. She's a gorgeous girl with a great attitude and now I understand why she's praised so much here.

All in all, my trip to Vienna was better than expected and I intend on returning soon. I was a bit worried that I wouldn't be able to book Daisy, but it all turned out alright in the end. The four girls I was with were very different, but I would repeat all of them. Peepshow Burggasse was a bit of a letdown, but I still had a decent time with Natalie. I would repeat Natalie too, but only in a classier venue.

Regarding the Maxim staff pushing the menu, they talked to me as well and I engaged in conversation with the guy waiter who mostly remained behind the bar. It wasn't pushy in my case, the real interest was shown in learning why I was there. I was there just for sex and not to kick back and enjoy a beer, so it wasn't an issue for me. But I can relate to this being a problem if you just want to have a drink and be left alone. I think this can easily be solved if you tell the receptionist lady or anyone from the bar, they clearly asked what I was looking for.

BTW, I saw that Alexandra is now on vacation. Even though she had a somewhat childish demeanor, I still hope she's going back to Maxim.

DietCoke18
04-26-18, 20:53
Now that I'm reading my report, I see that I mixed the girls' name up a bit. Just to clarify, I was with Alexandra first and Amanda afterwards.

I also forgot to mention that I really enjoyed the sightseeing that I've done in Vienna. I'm still baffled by the beauty of the city and the landmarks that I've visited (Schönbrunn Palace, Mariahilfer Strasse, etc.). The food was also amazing, I mainly ate traditional Austrian dishes throughout my visit and I kinda miss them now that I am back home. One more reason to return to Vienna soon, I guess.

Dark Physician
04-27-18, 00:35
Solid post, thanks. Question: did your time at Maxim include buying the girl's drink?I did buy a drink for Daisy but not for Jasmina and she didn't really seem to care about it. I may be totally wrong here, but I felt like drinks for the ladies are appreciated but not really required and the best course of action is to try and read the mood; I do think that having a toast in a nice room can itself add to the experience though.


First post = splendid post.

I think this is how it should be. Enjoy the city as a priority and do the mongering on the side with a cherry on top.Thanks! I enjoyed Vienna a lot: it felt to me like a big city full of history but also extremely liveable and modern. And the cakes were damn good too. I think I'd actually consider moving there if German wasn't so hard LOL.


I've recently spent a week in Vienna for the first time and I had a very similar experience.Great post and glad your first time in Vienna was also great!

Can't really say if Mondays are a good day for Maxim: I do think mine was indeed just a stroke of luck.

Regarding the menu thing, I'm sorry if it sounds like I've overblown the issue. I don't think they ever pushed too hard on it at all and my issue mostly comes with the timing of it (soon after I've just ordered a beer and I'm still looking around) and could've probably be easily fixed with better communication on my part.

Massimo Potente
04-27-18, 11:44
Can't really say if Mondays are a good day for Maxim: I do think mine was indeed just a stroke of luck.
Monday night is as good a night as any if you are looking for a particular girl. If you want to have the most girls to choose from then Wednesday, Thursday or Friday are mostly ideal. But make no mistake, Monday can be a very well attended night in Maxim as well on occasions. But generally speaking local people do not go out that frequently on Monday nights which is why they are often slower than other days.

Free Dude
04-28-18, 23:11
For those that are interested, according to Kontaktbazar Alexandra of Maxim is now in the crappy laufhaus Contact center high up on the Wilhelminenstrasse. Tram 2 will get you there if I remember correctly. It seems she followed her friend [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) form La Chica there.

Vitrea
04-29-18, 05:43
I had a very interesting night in Vienna. I spent 4 nights in VIE but due to complicated reasons, outside the interest of this forum, I could only monger on Friday which was also my last night in town. My plan was to do either do Maxim or GT but I ended up doing both and I loved it. Spent a lot but it was great.

I always wanted to go to Maxim but unfortunately they are not open till 9 PM. When I travel, I prefer afternoon and night options. My hotel is opposite Stadtpark and is walking distance from Maxim. One of the reasons I chose it. I could make a quick dash to it if I needed.

But because of timing, I ended up at GT in a taxi. I was there at 6:30 PM. I avoided a few obvious traps and minefields and made my way to the outdoors. This thin girl with a decent face walks up to me, out of the way to the corner I was sitting and chats me up. Her name is Georgiana. She claims she is from Spain. I told her I just got here and I just want to relax. She says don't worry. No pressure. I will just sit with you. I decided to speak to her in Spanish. She has an accent. I am no expert but I am not sure if I believe her that she is from Spain or that she is 23, like she claims. I spoke to Georgiana about the price. She said 60 Euro for 30 minutes. I asked her what she does and she said everything. She tells me how she is different from all the other girls who upsell and charge extra for everything. She likes to be GFE. She loves sex and enjoys all aspects of it. You guys know where this is going. Off we go to the room. I always ask for upstairs rooms because they are not as claustrophobic and the ambiance with club music in the background is good. She says they are busy and did not want to wait so we went down. Normally I would have protested but she did sit with me for 10 minutes before we decided to go so I ignored it and went with the flow. In the room after she drops her towel is when I notice the post baby sag of her breasts. I mentally kicked myself for not checking outside but it is my fault so I swallowed my disappointment and in return focused on her narrow waist, flat abs and full lips. I put my best foot forward and gave her a big approving smile. Most of the FKK beds are low and go from wall to wall on three sides. As soon as the fresh sheets go on the bed, girls drop the towel, get on the bed and stand on their knees with their knees apart and put their hair up into a bun on top of their head. Over the years, this beautiful routine of a young, hot body female getting ready to have sex with me, got etched into my brain. Just thought I would share.

Georgiana now tells me the menu. 100 euro for 30 minutes for BJ with protection. One hour is 160. She starts to tell me about more advanced options such as anal and CIM. I stop her and remind her what she said outside. She now says yeah but I charge extra for it, just not as much as other girls. Her approach was off putting. It was must session. I did not want to walk out and risk making a scene. So I told her that I am a boring guy and since I don't know her, I just want to do "standard" for 30 minutes. Immediately the sweet Georgiana that I met in the garden disappeared and now I am in the room with a shark who is ready to attack. She is getting ready for a BJ and aggressively waving an unopened condom pinched between her fingers and says, "why"? There was a clear implication that I was being a cheap bastard. I smiled and said my girl friend prefers it that way. She could not tell if I was joking or serious. She did not look happy but at least she quit whining for the moment. BJ with cover was average. I am not a big guy and I was barely half way in, on the deepest thrust. The saving grace was that while she was giving me head, she allowed me to play with her. I had no interest in her tits so I focused my skills on digital manipulation (all the pun intended). 20 minutes into it, I am riding her missionary and I try to kiss her lightly on the lips. She turns her face away and says, baby that is 50 Euro extra for a total of 150 euro. I stop mid-stroke and tell her to forget the kiss but point to the condom on my dick and say 60.

Euro for 30 minutes. Now I am curious why she said 150. She looks straight into my eyes and says, "all blow jobs are 100 euro, with or workout condom. ". Well this is a first one for me. I never get visibly upset in situations like this. The best way to deflate drama in my opinion is to ignore it with a smile. I pull out of her, pull the cover off my dick, wipe it and put my robe on. All before she could close her wide open thighs. She asked me what I am doing. I said, I want to pay you now. She looks confused. I tell her in a sweet voice, " let's stop at 20 minutes and I will pay you now. We are done. " She is pissed and keeps mumbling about 100 euros as she allowed digits. Blah. Blah. I I ignored her, kept my smile all the way back to the lockers.

Anyway, I paid 60 euro and walked away (though we ended up using the same Shower.).

My next up was Romina (Tall blonde) who says she is from Moldova. Very nice figure. A lot sweeter in person than she appears from.

A distance. She said 100 euro for 30 minutes without cover plus kissing. I did not argue as I was ready for some real action by then. I had a great time with her. She is a good listener and looks you straight into your eyes with those deep blue eyes when you are talking to her or in missionary. That is sexy. You can't pay for that stuff.

My next was Inga (From RO? Tall, lean, small perky tits and a beautiful face. To me,

Her face is gorgeous in some angles. Anyway, good stories are always short. I had a super good time. Same 100 euro for 30 min without and 60 with. Opted for without and I loved it. Her music choice was awesome. She took the time to go back and play the songs I liked during our love making so I could Shazam them! That is sweet.

It is 9:30 PM now and needed to go back to hotel to meet someone who has no idea where I am. But my main motivation to leave was to go to Maxim. I told Inga that I may comeback to see her. She said come before 12.

I show up at Maxim at 10 PM. No cover is the best part. Drinks are expensive but understandable as they have to run a business in a very high rent district.

So here is my take. Maxim, in my own head, I imagined it to be lot more classy than it is. Don't get me wrong. It is not bad. This is no Blacks in Buenos Aires or Platinum is St Martin or Men's only in Mexico. The decor inside is more like a decent US strip club. And the women, I found them to be average. There are two or three I would do. Rest, I would not spend 200 euros on. The dresses are nice elegant but they also hide baby bellies and sagging tits.

Couple of ladies approached me quite enthusiastically but I had to find polite words to get out. The girls are mostly sitting so I decided to be the moving target and started walking around the club. From the opposite corner of the club I saw a tall lean girl, with great posture walk away into the changing area. I only saw her from the back but I liked what I saw. I posted myself few meters from that door and decided to be patient. She was not showing up. So I opened my browser and got on their website to see who is working tonight. I saw the name.

Daisy and remembered her from the reviews. It has been 20 minutes now and my French maid seems to have disappeared so I stopped the manager who was passing by and asked her for Daisy. She looks around quickly and points to the girl coming out of the changing area. That is my "French maid" standing there with an arresting smile. The manager says, this gentleman was looking for you. I was like a kid that found the present he was hoping for, under the Christmas tree.

I ask her to sit. She asks if I can buy her a champagne bottle for 85 euro. I said no. I said I know I want to take you to the room and don't have time for Champagne and room. As we were discussing kissing and no cover and all the business, DJ calls someone to the stage. She interrupts him with authority and tell him she wants to go next. The DJ was excited and 6 minuets later, I knew why. She was a sexy pole dancer. I believe best strip dancers in the world are in US (just by pure numbers) but Daisy can dance in high end clubs in US. Anyway I tipped her 10 euro on the stage. I was the only one that was tipping so I don't think it is expected. I did not want some regular grab her as she is getting off the stage, even though I told her I will be waiting for her.

Rooms: They are not much different from GT. Very similar set up. The room I was in, had the same wall to wall bed and two mirrors.

In the room she was very good. Beautiful with a flawless toned body. Great attitude, BJ and a passionate performer. I was in the room for nearly 50 minutes. I left because I wanted to leave. I was going to us the recovery time in the taxi to GT and hopefully catch Inga. This was the reason. Re entry to GT is free. I did not see anyone else at Maxim worth spending 200 more Euros at Maxim. On the other hand I could think of many at GT that I would pay 60/100 for 30 minutes.

I did go back to GT right at midnight. Inga was either busy or left. I ran into Romina again. I had a very relaxed session with her and I left very happy around 1:30 AM.

There are very few reports of someone going to both places on the same day. So I thought I would write an FR in detail but throw in my 2 cents as well.

My bottom line is this. If I want to go after 9 PM and only want to have one session.

I would certainly check our Maxim first. You loose nothing and location is central, right across from public transport stop. If I am in the mood for multiple sessions, GT is the way to go. It has gotten expensive but it still has the hotties that I like.

Delta Indigo
04-29-18, 07:54
From 2009 to 2011, I had been to GT many times, I was well known to the girls but only ever paid 60 for BBBJ and kissing. The only cheating I had is that some girls would say they would do BBBJ but then do only CBJ in the room, this was rare but sometimes happened.

From 2013 to 2017, I was in GT, but not that often, I never paid more than 60 for BBBJ, I had a girl do the CBJ routine once, but I looked at her pretty furiously and she did a BBBJ in the end without a surcharge, I think I wrote about that here.

It does seem like the 100 Euros for BBBJ is becoming quite common, in that case, this isn't such a good deal and costs roughly the same as Maxim. I am wondering how common this is?

I think I remember Georgiana, if she is using the same name as in 2011 and been there a long time, she was awful service wise in my experience. Anyhow thanks for your report Vitrea.

Nimble Monkey
04-29-18, 11:54
I had a very interesting night in Vienna. I spent 4 nights in VIE but due to complicated reasons, outside the interest of this forum, I could only monger on Friday which was also my last night in town. My plan was to do either do Maxim or GT but I ended up doing both and I loved it. Spent a lot but it was great.

I always wanted to go to Maxim but unfortunately they are not open till 9 PM. When I travel, I prefer afternoon and night options. My hotel is opposite Stadtpark and is walking distance from Maxim. One of the reasons I chose it. I could make a quick dash to it if I needed.

But because of timing, I ended up at GT in a taxi. I was there at 6:30 PM. I avoided a few obvious traps and minefields and made my way to the outdoors. This thin girl with a decent face walks up to me, out of the way to the corner I was sitting and chats me up. Her name is Georgiana. She claims she is from Spain. I told her I just got here and I just want to relax. She says don't worry. No pressure. I will just sit with you. I decided to speak to her in Spanish. She has an accent. I am no expert but I am not sure if I believe her that she is from Spain or that she is 23, like she claims. I spoke to Georgiana about the price. She said 60 Euro for 30 minutes. I asked her what she does and she said everything. She tells me how she is different from all the other girls who upsell and charge extra for everything. She likes to be GFE. She loves sex and enjoys all aspects of it. You guys know where this is going..Amazing post! Thank you, anyone have any advice as to how to avoid getting swindled like this? Should we just walk out of room if it happens to us?

Chubzy Maximus
04-29-18, 14:12
Would love to get feedback on this from the more seasoned veterans. Planning trip in the up coming weeks and promise to give report once I return. I've read a few places that if you are new and it's your 1st time at GT they offer you a tour to show you how the facility is payed out. Is this a good idea to do? Or should you just forego that as I'm sure your parades around by a staff member and girls will know it's your 1st time. Hense easier to get hassled? Your thoughts please would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Vitrea
04-30-18, 07:14
Would love to get feedback on this from the more seasoned veterans. Planning trip in the up coming weeks and promise to give report once I return. I've read a few places that if you are new and it's your 1st time at GT they offer you a tour to show you how the facility is payed out. Is this a good idea to do? Or should you just forego that as I'm sure your parades around by a staff member and girls will know it's your 1st time. Hense easier to get hassled? Your thoughts please would be appreciated.

Thanks.I would take the 5 min tour. Sharks is easy though. Unless some other clubs, Sharks is a big open spaces. Re girls: Unless they are new, they know if you are new or regular. There are girls there everyday. They know. There are girls that recognize me from 6 months ago and I am no Brad Pitt.

My personal taste: I don't mind being approached by girls because I don't mind saying no in a nice way.

Massimo Potente
04-30-18, 13:17
Would love to get feedback on this from the more seasoned veterans. Planning trip in the up coming weeks and promise to give report once I return. I've read a few places that if you are new and it's your 1st time at GT they offer you a tour to show you how the facility is payed out. Is this a good idea to do? Or should you just forego that as I'm sure your parades around by a staff member and girls will know it's your 1st time. Hense easier to get hassled? Your thoughts please would be appreciated.

Thanks.I have never seen anybody getting the tour but it could be that they give it on occasion. This doesn't automatically make you a newbie, though. You could very well already be a seasoned FKK veteran, just new to GT. You will be fine if you stay self-confindent when facing the girls. Unless you look Asian because then you have a huge target on your back. Just kidding SCNR. LOL.

Zorp 001
05-01-18, 11:41
I had a very interesting night in Vienna. I spent 4 nights in VIE but due to complicated reasons, outside the interest of this forum, I could only monger on Friday which was also my last night in town. My plan was to do either do Maxim or GT but I ended up doing both and I loved it. Spent a lot but it was great.I enjoyed reading your report, thanks for sharing! You mentioning the girls putting their hair into a bun or a ponytail, getting ready for sex gave me such a good flashback. It's nice that Georgiana's behavior didn't ruin your whole night. I usually get too fed up with girls who try to change the price mid-sex. Biggest boner-killer in my opinion.

Also, what you said about first checking the scene out in Maxim is totally what I do too. I find the Maxim lineup to be strong more often than not and usually it's no problem at all to find at least two girls to pick. The upselling in Goldentime has become a major annoyance. I have no problem with the regular girls there who recognize me but newer ones tend to view me as easy prey, to put it harshly. I don't say I prefer one over the other, but the whole upsell thing is not a problem in Maxim as it is in GT. There was a time when it was the other way around. Like, in FKKs it was clear which service one would get and what would the extra services cost. This time is long gone, I am afraid.

Maxim and Goldentime are two different animals, to sum it all up. But on some days the lineup is so good that one or two girls with saggy tits (more or less well hidden under elegant outfits) don't spoil my night.

Chubzy Maximus
05-01-18, 21:34
I have never seen anybody getting the tour but it could be that they give it on occasion. This doesn't automatically make you a newbie, though. You could very well already be a seasoned FKK veteran, just new to GT. You will be fine if you stay self-confindent when facing the girls. Unless you look Asian because then you have a huge target on your back. Just kidding SCNR. LOL.Well then, LOL, what's your advise on how to handle this target? Just stay confident? Any other tips?

GentlemanMkd
05-01-18, 22:17
Spent an evening at the Goldentime Saunaclub in Vienna on Saturday evening. It was not my first time there, but I'm also not highly experienced, as well.

However, the atmosphere was great, as the garden and pool have already been opened. Arrived at about 21 h and stayed up to 1 h pm, as we were with a group of friends and had good time together.

There were about 30-40 girls, I suppose, most of them very attractive, and most of them Romanian, partly Bulgarian.

After a few approaches by some girls, who were pretty pushy, I was approached by lovely looking girl, who introduced herself as Sabi (or Sebi, not quite sure). She said she is from Iran, which I'm not fully convinced, but nevertheless, we had incredible talk, as she is one of the most talkative and pleasant girls at the club. We literally talked about different subjects more than half an hour and drank two drinks together, before we want to the room. She provided really good, nearly GFE, as she wanked my cock under the robe in front of the rooms, as we waited for a free room on the ground floor. The sex was good, standard service, but I really recommend her.

She also introduced me to Evelyn, Romanian girl, slim, very nice face and with tattoos on her arm and leg.

Later during the night, Evelyn was my second choice.

Also standard service, but really good performance.

She gave amazing blowjob, and sex as well.

Evelyn seemed also very friendly and communicative person.

She gave few compliments for my cock size, and even measured it compared to her forearm, which was quite sexy and provocative.

All in all, very good night at Goldentime, but you have to make smart choices, and select good girls and service.

Cheers.

Vitrea
05-02-18, 01:05
Would love to get feedback on this from the more seasoned veterans. Planning trip in the up coming weeks and promise to give report once I return. I've read a few places that if you are new and it's your 1st time at GT they offer you a tour to show you how the facility is payed out. Is this a good idea to do? Or should you just forego that as I'm sure your parades around by a staff member and girls will know it's your 1st time. Hense easier to get hassled? Your thoughts please would be appreciated.

Thanks.Sorry about my earlier reply. I was reading and posting on two forums the same day (this and Sharks) . I replied thinking we were on Sharks thread. I am sorry. I don't know about a tour of GT Vienna. Like MP said, it won't hurt.

Massimo Potente
05-02-18, 09:28
Well then, LOL, what's your advise on how to handle this target? Just stay confident? Any other tips?Tips regarding the tour? Do it if you like, it shouldn't have a huge impact on your overall experience whether you take it or not.

If you mean general tips. Don't take the first girl that approaches you, don't cave into trio offers unless you REALLY want it and just enjoy your day.

If you are looking for certain services then discuss this before going to the room.

As for my comment regarding Asians. Hope I didn't sound derogative. It is just that there is a group of girls in GT, easy to spot because they lay across the cinema, who are specialized in catching Asians before they even arrived at the bar. I would stay clear of them if I were you.

Massimo Potente
05-02-18, 14:00
For those that are interested, according to Kontaktbazar Alexandra of Maxim is now in the crappy laufhaus Contact center high up on the Wilhelminenstrasse. Tram 2 will get you there if I remember correctly.I am not entirely convinced that she is still there even though she appears on the website of this - indeed - crappy Laufhaus.

Through the grapevine it has been whispered that she is in another town to get some time off from the stress of Vienna. I am almost certain that she will be back in Vienna and might end up in Maxim eventually but the long nights and the alcohol and party involved got to her which is why she took a time-out. Some girls are so much more sensitive than they seem. As far as her friend is concerned, chances are that they left together and will be back together.

Nimble Monkey
05-02-18, 15:13
Tips regarding the tour? Do it if you like, it shouldn't have a huge impact on your overall experience whether you take it or not.

If you mean general tips. Don't take the first girl that approaches you, don't cave into trio offers unless you REALLY want it and just enjoy your day.

If you are looking for certain services then discuss this before going to the room.

As for my comment regarding Asians. Hope I didn't sound derogative. It is just that there is a group of girls in GT, easy to spot because they lay across the cinema, who are specialized in catching Asians before they even arrived at the bar. I would stay clear of them if I were you.You did not sound derogative, but upfront, and it's appreciated Massimo. Thanks for the tips, I'm sure it will help others! Your feedbacks always welcome and respected.

Chubzy Maximus
05-03-18, 04:16
Tips regarding the tour? Do it if you like, it shouldn't have a huge impact on your overall experience whether you take it or not.

If you mean general tips. Don't take the first girl that approaches you, don't cave into trio offers unless you REALLY want it and just enjoy your day.

If you are looking for certain services then discuss this before going to the room.

As for my comment regarding Asians. Hope I didn't sound derogative. It is just that there is a group of girls in GT, easy to spot because they lay across the cinema, who are specialized in catching Asians before they even arrived at the bar. I would stay clear of them if I were you.LOL! No worries mate, no offense taken! I am a bit nervous of getting hounded by girls who just won't take no for an answer. To me it ruins the experience. I guess it part of "the game" if you want to call it that?

Ozzie09
05-03-18, 10:22
Maxim and Goldentime are two different animals, to sum it all up. But on some days the lineup is so good that one or two girls with saggy tits (more or less well hidden under elegant outfits) don't spoil my night.Regarding saggy tits, can anyone give recommendations on girls with silicone breasts in Maxim? Through the site it is obvious that Carla (http://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/carla) has silicone breasts, but are there other girls with silicone who don't have pictures or are highly recommended?

Massimo Potente
05-03-18, 18:43
Regarding saggy tits, can anyone give recommendations on girls with silicone breasts in Maxim? Through the site it is obvious that Carla (http://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/carla) has silicone breasts, but are there other girls with silicone who don't have pictures or are highly recommended?Let me name who I am certain to have Silicone.

Carla, Gloria (not on the website for some reason) Cherry, Xenia.

As for naturally beautiful tits there are.

Anna, Georgina, Ariana who has huge tits and knows it, Erika (they're hanging a bit but not saggy per se), Aida, Aisha, Nicole (fantastic firm tits but she's a little chubby all together).

The rest of the girls are somehow in the middle and have, let's say, no real bust to fantasize over.

Saggy tits, in my opinion, are just Roxi and Amelia and I wouldn't pick them either, so I agree in that regard.

Darster
05-05-18, 22:17
Is Fortuna Kino similar kind of place like Love Kino?

Basically that's a cinema for adult movies.

Is there entry fee for Fortuna Kino? Also is that place good for gangbang parties only or individual girls can be found as well?

LuccaTer
05-10-18, 08:33
Have to confirm the opinion. The place keep a standard, maybe not a top level but enough. The only minus is a need to wait for a free rooms once party rolls on. Rooms clean. Sebi. Very cute and open, my second selection was Clara (introduced herself as Slovak).


Spent an evening at the Goldentime Saunaclub in Vienna on Saturday evening. It was not my first time there, but I'm also not highly experienced, as well.

However, the atmosphere was great, as the garden and pool have already been opened. Arrived at about 21 h and stayed up to 1 h pm, as we were with a group of friends and had good time together.

There were about 30-40 girls, I suppose, most of them very attractive, and most of them Romanian, partly Bulgarian.

After a few approaches by some girls, who were pretty pushy, I was approached by lovely looking girl, who introduced herself as Sabi (or Sebi, not quite sure). She said she is from Iran, which I'm not fully convinced, but nevertheless, we had incredible talk, as she is one of the most talkative and pleasant girls at the club. We literally talked about different subjects more than half an hour and drank two drinks together, before we want to the room..

Chubzy Maximus
05-11-18, 00:37
Hey guys,

I know a lot of the discussion here is dedicated to Goldentime and Maxim. So if I'm posting this thread in wrong section my apologies.

I'm in Vienna for work. Don't have the time nor do I want to get caught amongst colleges heading out to Goldentime or maxim and be caught coming back at 3 am. I reached out to Sophia Ivanova for outcall after reading about her. She was unavailable and she recommended her friend Elena Frances. I went into this with only her webpage and Sophia's referral. There are no reviews about her as well. I hit the jackpot as she was wonderful. Very GFE, LFK / DFK all available. Everything was on table but with upcharge unfortunately. I paid €500 for 2 hours and BBBJ. She charges €100 for CIM. Did not ask about trip to Greece but would assume that is extra as well. 2 culmination's were offered. I like her because she took the lead. No stalling with chit chat. After 20 min excused herself to washroom and then it was down to the fun stuff. Wonderful BBBJ (€50 extra), very involved in session. She was not mechanical at all. I would most definitely repeat. I saw the line up at maximum online and did not see any thing that suited my fancy. Elena's pics looked great. She came and provided good solid service. I would recommend to those in similar situation as me.

www.elena-frances.com

Massimo Potente
05-11-18, 01:25
It is very very weird. I kept repeating that the upselling is not a problem that we locals or regulars usually have in GT but it is clearly a thing which the girls have agreed on. But now the girls are officially promoting the premium half an hours for a 100 also to Vienna locals. I know because the guy who reported it is not new to the game. In that particular case it even was one of the girls who I would have taken to be one of the safest bets out there. Angela. Who I spent several good times with.

I really hope this is not going to spread and affect us all even more. We'll see and I will report. I kinda think this is coming over from Germany manifesting itself here.

It was also reported that FP is in deep SH*T and after only a year of their budget club existence they are really struggling more and more. The best girls have left to GT, Maxim, Babylon and the odd Laufhaus. The trend that I am seeing is not positive at all for them.

Pistons
05-11-18, 04:17
So 90 e entry and 100 e for the half hour. This is then officially more expensive than every single Russian or Ukrainian apartment girl I know. This is the beginning of the end for the FKK model then.

Massimo Potente
05-11-18, 12:14
So 90 e entry and 100 e for the half hour. This is then officially more expensive than every single Russian or Ukrainian apartment girl I know. This is the beginning of the end for the FKK model then.I don't think it is quite that dramatic but it shows that even some of the BEST PROVIDERS like ANGELA are joining in. This can be peer pressure or it can be an exception to the rule, I don't know that. I don't think she'll do that with me but the guy who reported it a local and regular just as I am. Not more and not less. So, we'll see what's going to happen next. I mean after all the girls are still good as the line-up is large and money is just money so let's spend it. My life doesn't change that much if I have to spend EURO 50-60 more on each visit, hypothetically.

TeFab456
05-11-18, 14:38
I don't think it is quite that dramatic but it shows that even some of the BEST PROVIDERS like ANGELA are joining in. This can be peer pressure or it can be an exception to the rule, I don't know that. I don't think she'll do that with me but the guy who reported it a local and regular just as I am. Not more and not less. So, we'll see what's going to happen next. I mean after all the girls are still good as the line-up is large and money is just money so let's spend it. My life doesn't change that much if I have to spend EURO 50-60 more on each visit, hypothetically.For me a GT room was mostly always like this: 120 (60 + 60) for 30 min including BBBJ and CIM. Now that would be 160? Or even more?

Massimo Potente
05-11-18, 19:00
For me a GT room was mostly always like this: 120 (60 + 60) for 30 min including BBBJ and CIM. Now that would be 160? Or even more?If you commit to CIM it will probably stay the same 120.

TeFab456
05-12-18, 08:08
If you commit to CIM it will probably stay the same 120.Thank you. It is still one of the best things to be experienced in this field to visit GT Vienna on a late spring or summer day with the garden open and everybody out there till late at night, the girls parading and teasing, and the rooms just a few steps away. I have met some absolute CIM artists in GT over the years.

Pistons
05-12-18, 14:56
My life doesn't change that much if I have to spend EURO 50-60 more on each visit, hypothetically.Maybe for you, but for me and other proce conscious people we will either switch travel options, or simply just cut back on this hobby altogether. For me, this year looks like a mix of cutting back and choosing clubs more carefully sue to increased upsells. If rumors are true all over I will cut back more. Even Asia gets more interesting again too even if I live in Europe.

Massimo Potente
05-13-18, 10:23
Maybe for you, but for me and other proce conscious people we will either switch travel options, or simply just cut back on this hobby altogether. For me, this year looks like a mix of cutting back and choosing clubs more carefully sue to increased upsells. If rumors are true all over I will cut back more. Even Asia gets more interesting again too even if I live in Europe.You are right in that I am not very price sensitive if I get what I like and feel comfortable. This is why I don't choose cheaper places over more expensive ones. As for switching travel options. This could very well become a trend in the German speaking countries that "premium service" will have a higher price in relation to standard half an hours. But we don't know for sure what's going to come next.

Since we are talking prices and rates: 1 hour in Babylon now costs 550€. They increased it recently as it seems. It's just a 10% increase. LOL.

Pistons
05-13-18, 20:24
You are right in that I am not very price sensitive if I get what I like and feel comfortable. This is why I don't choose cheaper places over more expensive ones. As for switching travel options. This could very well become a trend in the German speaking countries that "premium service" will have a higher price in relation to standard half an hours. But we don't know for sure what's going to come next.

Since we are talking prices and rates: 1 hour in Babylon now costs 550. They increased it recently as it seems. It's just a 10% increase. LOL.It is all about willingness to pay.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-economics/chapter/consumer-surplus/

At club A charging 550 an hour you might attract say 150 customers a month to the club. Total income: 82 500.

At club be charging 100 an hour you might attract 1500 customers a month. Total income: 150 000.

Club A girls would either have much more idle time on their hand, or only supply work to 5 girls. While club be could have equal income per girl and have 76% more girls around. Common male instinct would lead us to the club with the largest variety of girls.

Standard pricing models suggest chances are that the real numbers would be far more skewed than 10:1 in customer numbers, but this factor would change from city to city.

In the monger world there would of course be a limit where service got so bad, jerking off to Pornhub would be equally good. German red light districts end up in this box. Maybe FP entered this area of the curve also.

MonSooner
05-13-18, 21:28
It is all about willingness to pay.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-economics/chapter/consumer-surplus/

At club A charging 550 an hour you might attract say 150 customers a month to the club. Total income: 82 500.

At club be charging 100 an hour you might attract 1500 customers a month. Total income: 150 000.
I can't provide business statistics to back this up or dispute it, but Funpalast and fresh prove this concept wrong. They are cheaper than cheap and are irrelevant in the big picture of things in Vienna.

Babylon increased the price because they can. Babylon clients will not change the club because of a silly 50 that they don't even feel.

Chubzy Maximus
05-14-18, 00:32
There was the movie "Driving Miss Daisy" today I tell the story of loving Miss Daisy. My friends I see what all the commotion is about and I can't thank you enough for pointing me in her direction! She is a true Gem! Very easy going, easy to talk to and a complete pleasure to spend time with. I would like to give special thanks to Roman at Maxim for making it happen and setting everything up. He is a true gentleman and I was very happy with the maxim team. My advise to all who want to see her, book in advance, plan accordingly and keep in contact with the staff at Maxim to see if any schedule Changes are needed. Let me tell you something that impressed me a great deal about Roman and Daisy. I know one major city where if you request a girl some agency owners (not referring to anyone in Europe) would have no issue cancelling on you to accommodate the locals and make up some excuse as to why something fell through. Especially to a new comer who has not dealt with agency or club before! Roman and Daisy kept their commitment and did a nice job setting it up.

Service wise, everything was on the table. I did not ask anything crazy. She asked if I want to use a Johnny for BJ and I said no, she then smirked and said "cool, now you'll get to see how good I am"! She was involved, she was genuinely having a fun time. Any request I had she obliged. My only regret is that I didn't get to see her pole dance. Only piece of advise I would give to the gents is not to compete with her in drinking, she can hold it and hold it well! There was ample DFK, great eye contact and you truly felt like you were hanging out with a buddy. I would recommend highly to see her in Vienna, I would not hesitate to set something up for a repeat.

Again thanks to Massimo and all others who gave such great detailed reports and breakdowns on all the girls. It truly helps!

So far I've been pretty happy with the level of service I got from Elena and Daisy in Vienna. Would easily repeat with both!

Massimo Potente
05-14-18, 11:28
There was the movie "Driving Miss Daisy" today I tell the story of loving Miss Daisy. My friends I see what all the commotion is about and I can't thank you enough for pointing me in her direction! She is a true Gem! Very easy going, easy to talk to and a complete pleasure to spend time with. I would like to give special thanks to Roman at Maxim for making it happen and setting everything up. He is a true gentleman and I was very happy with the maxim team. My advise to all who want to see her, book in advance, plan accordingly and keep in contact with the staff at Maxim to see if any schedule Changes are needed. Let me tell you something that impressed me a great deal about Roman and Daisy. I know one major city where if you request a girl some agency owners (not referring to anyone in Europe) would have no issue cancelling on you to accommodate the locals and make up some excuse as to why something fell through. Especially to a new comer who has not dealt with agency or club before! Roman and Daisy kept their commitment and did a nice job setting it up.

Service wise, everything was on the table. I did not ask anything crazy. She asked if I want to use a Johnny for BJ and I said no, she then smirked and said "cool, now you'll get to see how good I am"! She was involved, she was genuinely having a fun time. Any request I had she obliged. My only regret is that I didn't get to see her pole dance. Only piece of advise I would give to the gents is not to compete with her in drinking, she can hold it and hold it well! There was ample DFK, great eye contact and you truly felt like you were hanging out with a buddy. I would recommend highly to see her in Vienna, I would not hesitate to set something up for a repeat.

Again thanks to Massimo and all others who gave such great detailed reports and breakdowns on all the girls. It truly helps!

So far I've been pretty happy with the level of service I got from Elena and Daisy in Vienna. Would easily repeat with both!Very good report and liking the "Driving Miss Daisy" reference!

For those who probably don't understand the role of "Roman" who you are mentioning in your report, let me explain that he is doing most of the escort booking and overseeing all of the marketing of Maxim in general and some management tasks in the club as well. Seems that he has treated you well otherwise you wouldn't point it out.

Have you picked Daisy yourself or was she recommended by him? Just curious because seeing that she is getting all the reviews some girls might be overlooked who actually deserve the look. And as far as Pole Dancing goes Daisy is good for sure and you can see that she likes it AND she is easy on the eyes. But there are definitely some girls who are better and more talented IMHO.

Massimo Potente
05-14-18, 11:35
It is all about willingness to pay.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-economics/chapter/consumer-surplus/
That is interesting for sure but is it applicable to the sex industry and to prostitution? I want to say partly but not really and clearly not accurately.

Willingness to pay? For some people the willingness to pay starts exactly where it ends for the common guy. And this is where Babylon and other higher-priced places start to shine. Maxim as well in a way but not as polarised as Babylon compared to cheaper places. I like Monsooner's examples. Low prices and eagerness to define yourself as cheap and affordable can be the demise for your business if you don't handle the traffic that you are getting accordingly.

Chubzy Maximus
05-14-18, 14:30
Very good report and liking the "Driving Miss Daisy" reference!

For those who probably don't understand the role of "Roman" who you are mentioning in your report, let me explain that he is doing most of the escort booking and overseeing all of the marketing of Maxim in general and some management tasks in the club as well. Seems that he has treated you well otherwise you wouldn't point it out.

Have you picked Daisy yourself or was she recommended by him? Just curious because seeing that she is getting all the reviews some girls might be overlooked who actually deserve the look. And as far as Pole Dancing goes Daisy is good for sure and you can see that she likes it AND she is easy on the eyes. But there are definitely some girls who are better and more talented IMHO.Massimo,

Roman did treat me well. More importantly, he treated me fairly. Let me tell you that in some places with the reputation Daisy has in Vienna, a new comer like myself wouldn't have a chance to meet her the way some agency heads and boomers operate. I'the be passed up for a regular or someone who is known to spend a ton of €€€'s. Roman and Daisy do not know me but treated me like a VIP I felt and for that I'm pretty happy. Communication was via text, he was always prompt and courteous. Very flexible with scheduling changes also.

How did I come up with Daisy? Her name keeps coming up over and over again on this thread and forum. You had also mentioned her quite a few times in your reports. 2 recent blokes confirmed they had a great time with her as well. Her pics on the website looked great too! As stated I wish I got to see her dance.

Would definatley love further recommendations you have. Any advice is always appreciated.

I'the def recommend Daisy for outcall escort basis. In fact I was well impressed with her and Elena Frances. Both girls are very service oriented. They were very much focused on what they could do to make me happy! No stalling, both took lead and initiative, I'the give them both high marks. They only issue I have with Vienna is the upcharges. Daisy did not charge for BBBJ but Elena did. Both were spectacular at it!

Hope this helps those who can only do out call.

I would like to visit GT and Maxim at some point, but would prefer to do that with some mates instead of solo.

Pistons
05-14-18, 22:50
I can't provide business statistics to back this up or dispute it, but Funpalast and fresh prove this concept wrong. They are cheaper than cheap and are irrelevant in the big picture of things in Vienna.

Babylon increased the price because they can. Babylon clients will not change the club because of a silly 50 that they don't even feel.Next time, maybe read my whole post before replying?

Pistons
05-14-18, 22:59
That is interesting for sure but is it applicable to the sex industry and to prostitution? I want to say partly but not really and clearly not accurately.

Willingness to pay? For some people the willingness to pay starts exactly where it ends for the common guy. And this is where Babylon and other higher-priced places start to shine. Maxim as well in a way but not as polarised as Babylon compared to cheaper places. I like Monsooner's examples. Low prices and eagerness to define yourself as cheap and affordable can be the demise for your business if you don't handle the traffic that you are getting accordingly.I am not sure you understood the whole concept of this. Of course different people have different willingness to pay ranges. See the graph for example.

When it comes to the applicability, it definitely works like this in Germany. I don't see how Austrian FKK's should be the only place in the world where it would not work. This concept is fundamental to microeconomics and pricing strategies in all sorts of fields. All around the world.

But yes, small variations may exist. It is not always a straight line. Two different groups like locals / tourists can make the chart uneven. Management can be bad. Facilities can be bad. Marketing can be bad. And at some price point alternatives to FKK prostitutes can kick in too. So we are operating within a certain scale here of course.

Pistons
05-14-18, 23:09
And one more thing regarding the economic theory there. If you have several competitors in one range of the market, there will be an opening higher up in the market also. The total possible income would be lower, but you would have your own niche market with less competitors.

But as far as I see this, the supply side is the main problem for these expensive clubs like Maxim and Babylon. The idle time for the girls is just so high that the club can only have a few girls around able to make a decent average income. And this lack of diversity can possibly be detrimental in the long run. But that is just a theory. But like you point our, prostitution is not like all other fields. But we are all more or less polygamous.

FergenStein
05-14-18, 23:46
I don't think it is quite that dramatic but it shows that even some of the BEST PROVIDERS like ANGELA are joining in. This can be peer pressure or it can be an exception to the rule, I don't know that. I don't think she'll do that with me but the guy who reported it a local and regular just as I am. Not more and not less. So, we'll see what's going to happen next. I mean after all the girls are still good as the line-up is large and money is just money so let's spend it. My life doesn't change that much if I have to spend EURO 50-60 more on each visit, hypothetically.Is Angela that young and very short Romanian girl? I'm new to the FKK game in Vienna and I would be glad for some tips on who are the best providers in GT since it seems like you have enough experience.

Max #01
05-15-18, 01:34
Until I retired in early 2018, I traveled to Vienna from the USA Several times each year. So, I will state right up front that my biases are what is available for consenting adults in the USA, Austria, and in Germany.

First of all, I have been able to partake of much of what Germany has to offer. It's noticeably cheaper than Austria and I have been able to sample German FKKs and partytreffs, including those that specialize in condom-less adult activities.

If you come from North America (USA And Canada), you have absolutely nothing to complain about, especially for my USA Fellow citizens. The simple fact that you can legally insert your erect penis into a willing vagina for an agreed-to compensation and not go to jail is incomprehensible.

Over several years, I have sampled much of what Vienna has to offer. I have done the current FKKs: GT, Fresh and FunPalast. The experience is similar to German FKKs with a higher price. If your objective is to insert your penis into a receptive vagina, any of these facilities will do.

I've visited a couple of Vienna's studios. They are basically the clubs with limited options to "try before you buy. " If you want to walk through a facility and pick a girl as your Chosen One, I'd say to go for it.

Maxim is a strip club / brothel. If you have ever fantasized about having consenting adult relations with a strip club performer in the USA, you can do it at Maxim. The cost is about what you would pay for "take out" at strip club in the USA In Vienna at Maxim, you don't have to "take out. " All you have to do is to walk up the stairs.

My apartment hotel was about 100 m from Babylon. It was tempting beyond belief, especially when I would see the women departing in the morning when I was on my morning run. I frequently thought about if I would spend the money versus the money spent at Maxim. I haven't figured that out yet.

Massimo Potente
05-15-18, 09:16
I am not sure you understood the whole concept of this. Of course different people have different willingness to pay ranges. See the graph for example.

When it comes to the applicability, it definitely works like this in Germany. I don't see how Austrian FKK's should be the only place in the world where it would not work. This concept is fundamental to microeconomics and pricing strategies in all sorts of fields. All around the world.
There aren't that many countries that have legal prostitution and FKKs to begin with so we shouldn't really talk about the world here. Now it is narrowed down and you compare Austria and Germany and maybe Switzerland which seem like similar markets but they're probably not as similar as you think.

I get your basic point but as service providers the ladies seem to be fed up with high expectations of clients for 60. That is what I take away from the "premium service" or whatever you may call it.

FergenStein.

Yes! Angela is very small, pretty with a very good body. One of the best ones in my opinion in GT.

MonSooner
05-15-18, 12:18
Next time, maybe read my whole post before replying?I really did. It is naive to see real similarities in normal services to which microecon that you describe apply and sexual services. But no offense, man. I generally value your input but this is nonsense to a really high degree.

Pistons
05-15-18, 13:27
I get your basic point but as service providers the ladies seem to be fed up with high expectations of clients for 60. That is what I take away from the "premium service" or whatever you may call it.The day market economics uncouples from user demand, it is no longer market economics. At German RLD's, they are fed up with 20 or 30 euros. At Aca they are fed up with 40 euro. At most German FKK's they are fed up with 50 euro. At Artemis and gt Vienna they are fed up with 60. At Wellcum they are fed up with 70. But at the Lugano clubs the rates fell over 60% because of failed pricing and higher competition elsewhere. And the need to adjust to the market economy and user demand / user economy. Now there is one very important graph you should look at in the link I provided: Supply.

Pistons
05-15-18, 13:33
As soon as you leave the boundaries of market economics, two things happen:

- The total income of the industry drops.

- Everything turns into niche products.

Pistons
05-15-18, 13:36
But of course, FKK pricing should move alongside the consumer price index in order to keep track with the rest of the economy. I suppose in some places it has lagged behind by 5-10 euro maybe. But demand is not always so easy either.

AdamCki
05-15-18, 13:43
...Babylon increased the price because they can. Babylon clients will not change the club because of a silly 50 that they don't even feel.Overall total nonsense these rates (30' 450 cash 60' 550 cash, if with card 500-600) especially considering average line up and not being sure they give you CIM and anal for this rate. Clearly a lack in customers means this raise, last breath for these ex glorious Flight To Quality clubs? They can now close yesterday for what me thinks.

MonSooner
05-15-18, 18:48
Let's not forget that this is what the girls want to do. As long as GT allows them to do it and charge different prices for foreigners than for locals, the girls will, without a doubt, do it. This is a business decision coming from a position of strength in my opinion. Babylon maybe as well. I find it hard to believe that they really lack customers. Generally I would expect a drop in pricing if business is bad and not an increase.

ChrisNYC
05-15-18, 18:51
I want to recommend if someone likes and looks for an erotic massage and not just sex, as it used to be in my case.

I found the advertisement.

http://www.bazar.at/wunderbar-erotic-massage-von-carla-koerper-zu-koerper-body-to-body-und-tantra-anzeigen-12449384.html

I wrote a message for her. I got the answer that it is possible to schedule the next day. I made an appointment. I got an address, the apartment is in center of Vienna 1 District. Very clean, modern with a very big bed, when she make massage.

Carla is a slim, nice and very pretty girl, knows several languages, has a sense of humor.

The man feels relaxed.

The music started in the background, I took an hour-long massage but after a moment of reflection I decided I wanted 1.5 hours.

An amazing touch, a silky body to the rhythm of music and breaths she performed a massage.

Then a massage with the whole body, gentle kisses in the body or ears, amazing feeling and excitement, then I changed the page, amazingly able to turn up.

Atmosphere with touch, virtually no hands happy end. Excellent feeling, conversation, massage, atmosphere, has a beautiful, slim body and a beautiful face.

For me the most exciting massage, more than sex in a few moments I was extreme excited.

I recommend to all those who are bored with standard escort services and want to try an amazing relaxation and an exciting massage erotic the true erotic massage.

My friends visit her too and was very glad too.

Massimo Potente
05-16-18, 01:05
Let's not forget that this is what the girls want to do. As long as GT allows them to do it and charge different prices for foreigners than for locals, the girls will, without a doubt, do it. This is a business decision coming from a position of strength in my opinion. Babylon maybe as well. I find it hard to believe that they really lack customers. Generally I would expect a drop in pricing if business is bad and not an increase.Well, obviously it wasn't management ordering girls to ask more money for half an hours. Kinda goes without saying that it is what the girls want and they are putting the pressure on everything and everyone.


As soon as you leave the boundaries of market economics, two things happen:

- The total income of the industry drops.

- Everything turns into niche products.
FKK is the niche in Austria and probably globally as well. Total industry income has been dropping for years. I don't think you can imagine what kind of money was generated in Austrian brothels in the 80's, 90's and early 2 Ks, before FKKs and Laufhauses started to establish themselves. I think there is a valid argument to be made that business as is now is the better one for clients and for sure the more honest one in many ways. But money-wise, man, you can't even compare it in the slightest. Even the 3 best Vienna stripclubs combined made morey money than the 3 best FKKs in Vienna combined. That was not that long ago and in my prime years. LOL. Vienna clubs were drowning in Champagne every fricking day.

Pistons
05-16-18, 03:31
Overall total nonsense these rates (30' 450 cash 60' 550 cash, if with card 500-600) especially considering average line up and not being sure they give you CIM and anal for this rate. Clearly a lack in customers means this raise, last breath for these ex glorious Flight To Quality clubs? They can now close yesterday for what me thinks.Exactly my thoughts as well. I have a feeling we have a few people here on the forum with ulterior motifs. Just looking at the Babylon and maxim lineups on their sites, it looks like two scam clubs with horrible availability.

Pistons
05-16-18, 03:53
Well, obviously it wasn't management ordering girls to ask more money for half an hours. Kinda goes without saying that it is what the girls want and they are putting the pressure on everything and everyone.You have the same mechanic happening with taxi's several places. When idle time goes up, they try to make back the lost money by increasing the prices. Thus worsening the competitive power even more. (A New York taxi driver killed himself a few months ago because of the worsening business environment for them. He had no chance of competing with Uber who pays zero tax. But it was mainly due to increased idle time).

Pistons
05-16-18, 04:06
FKK is the niche in Austria and probably globally as well. Total industry income has been dropping for years. I don't think you can imagine what kind of money was generated in Austrian brothels in the 80's, 90's and early 2 Ks, before FKKs and Laufhauses started to establish themselves. I think there is a valid argument to be made that business as is now is the better one for clients and for sure the more honest one in many ways. But money-wise, man, you can't even compare it in the slightest. Even the 3 best Vienna stripclubs combined made morey money than the 3 best FKKs in Vienna combined. That was not that long ago and in my prime years. LOL. Vienna clubs were drowning in Champagne every fricking day.Times change indeed greatly. But 14 years ago I fucked an Italian stripper in a Barcelona strip club also for just 50 euro, and there were no entry cost. I was 19. She was 18. There were fuck shows on stage, and the Italian I scored was a solid 9. During the whole night, just 5 or 6 customers went to the room. But there was a lot of champagne flowing all over. Now standard rate was higher than 50, but she liked me apparently. Girls didn't make much, but the club did.

Delta Indigo
05-16-18, 06:50
Exactly my thoughts as well. I have a feeling we have a few people here on the forum with ulterior motifs. Just looking at the Babylon and maxim lineups on their sites, it looks like two scam clubs with horrible availability.Golden Time was always my favorite in Vienna and in fact it was my first FKK, once I discovered it I abandoned the Prague mongering scene, which was never comparable. I think all these reports of upselling are making it less attractive than before, but it used to be great and I was well known there years ago. Nowadays I am not sure it is the best value for money, there are numerous Swiss clubs that charge less than the service rate at GT, service in Switzerland is a lot better the vast majority of the time.

I don't think Maxim is a scam club, they do push you to buy expensive drinks at the bar, Massimo has pointed this out, but if you say no they will stop, the staff are friendly at Maxim. I was at Maxim just once in July of last year and the lineup was think, at that point I did not think it compared to GT and was a lot more expensive, 110 Euros vs 60 Euros. However if the service price is 100 Euros at GT, then Maxim is competitive with no entrance fee.

About Babylon, I do not remember anyone promoting it here, at that price, I have a hard time believing you get what you pay for, I think the main purpose of these clubs are anonymity and discretion. This is why Aphrodesia in Zurich costs twice as much as the Globe, not really for a better lineup. That price will keep the ordinary riff raff away.

I never heard anyone say Babylon was a good deal, I personally would rather have 5 sessions in Maxim than 1 in Babylon.

I have heard again and again from people who have payed the mega bucks that it isn't worth it. I have never paid that much, but paid a lot more than I should have in Prague, Amsterdam and the like, and if you do that you never get what you paid for.

Girls will take and "steal" what they can.

Massimo, I differ with you on one point, I think the tipping has contributing to this upselling at GT. I know many people think it is polite to tip and I grew up in a tipping country, but a tip is not just a matter of good manners. A tip should be earned and something extra not something taken for granted, and if it is taken for granted, then it leads to higher rates.

I strongly disagree with the norms of tipping in the US, although I used to pay tips for years, the price on the menu should be the price and the ridiculous 20% expectation is what I would call a "scam". Anyhow if the meal I ordered was more expensive, why does the server deserve a bigger tip than if I had ordered a cheaper meal when he had to do the same amount of work?

This is the deal with prices and rates, in GT the rates and extra charges for options were well known, all this upselling is something that started in the last 5 years.

In Germany, the girls had the recent legal changes to justify their upselling, and I knew this would happen. In Austria and Switzerland however there is no such excuse for this behavior.

Delta Indigo
05-16-18, 08:20
I would just like to elaborate further on my point below. In Germany the situation did change but as many pointed out in the Oase thread, committing to one hour gets you better service. In Sharks, Oase, and even the notorious Paradise in Stuttgart, if I commit to one hour for 100 Euros the service is almost always to my liking.

There are still scammers, note about "Egyptian" Angelina or Angelique at Sharks who tries to get you past the 30 minute mark and then starts a routine so that you quit.

However this is usually a good compromise, 100 Euros for an hour I can live with and even enjoy. But 100 Euros for 30 minutes stops making Goldentime competitive with even the premium clubs in Germany, I have named three here. Even the situation at Oceans and Palace in Frankfurt (although I am dubious about the reports here about Palace) state that their premium service does not amount to 100 Euros.

There was no legal change in Austria as we know, and the vast majority of these girls can not make any where near as much money doing anything else, so this is a matter of greed that clients should not entertain, if no one put up with it, it would be far more rare.

Sometimes you do need to comprise for 100 for an hour is okay, I am not really cheap or into budget situations, but I hate being cheated. The main reason I visit Vienna is the see the fabulous city and enjoy the great cuisine and the mongering is secondary to me if this is the situation.

Goldentime once had a potential competitor, Centaurus, which was burned down by the owner of Goldentime according to his legal conviction. Maybe the situation would improve if there was a viable competitor, but at this rate, Maxim will be able to compete with GT.

Massimo Potente
05-16-18, 10:23
I think this has come to a crossroads on which one side says that Line-up A is horrbile and the other side says that Line-up be is very good and every further discussion regarding that should end right there. LOL.

Delta Indigo
05-16-18, 11:19
I think this has come to a crossroads on which one side says that Line-up A is horrbile and the other side says that Line-up be is very good and every further discussion regarding that should end right there. LOL.I really do not understand this answer, you acknowledge the increased upselling and I argued that it was not justified, are you saying that in your opinion it is okay since it is still good value for money?

If that is what you are saying in your answer, that is fine.

Massimo Potente
05-16-18, 12:18
I really do not understand this answer, you acknowledge the increased upselling and I argued that it was not justified, are you saying that in your opinion it is okay since it is still good value for money?

If that is what you are saying in your answer, that is fine.I don't like upselling at all and I wanted to point it out. I was actually surprised that an indiviual provider like Angela is doing it now as well and even to a local regular. That was my initial point. I don't really think it is ok, and it is for sure not justified, but I see why it is happening and it will not affect my frequency with which I go to GT. And even if they start upselling to me, which is not impossible at all, it won't stop me from going there as long as it stays within certain boundaries.

But I don't think it makes sense to put a universal "value" stamp on anything here. I mean also to say that calling Babylon and Maxim line-ups "horrible availability" and "ulterior motifs" being in place is utter nonsense which makes me feel like I can't contribute anything on those grounds anymore hence the crossroads reference. Not even entertaining the notion of calling Babylon or Maxim scam clubs.

To sum it up: the economic principles which were discussed are not really universal in the sex industry and I find it inappropriate to try and apply them especially when terms like "value" are being used. Not to speak of "idle time" which for human beings in the sex industry might often be rather desirable and by no means is a bad thing.

It's really all relative. I mean, in the German FKK threads there recently were examples how to sleep in your car and therefore saving money otherwise spent on hotel rooms. I guess, with that in mind, Babylon, Maxim, GT are horrible deals for sure and we should all bond over camping.

Delta Indigo
05-16-18, 13:23
I don't like upselling at all and I wanted to point it out. I was actually surprised that an indiviual provider like Angela is doing it now as well and even to a local regular. That was my initial point. I don't really think it is ok, and it is for sure not justified, but I see why it is happening and it will not affect my frequency with which I go to GT. And even if they start upselling to me, which is not impossible at all, it won't stop me from going there as long as it stays within certain boundaries.

But I don't think it makes sense to put a universal "value" stamp on anything here. I mean also to say that calling Babylon and Maxim line-ups "horrible availability" and "ulterior motifs" being in place is utter nonsense which makes me feel like I can't contribute anything on those grounds anymore hence the crossroads reference. Not even entertaining the notion of calling Babylon or Maxim scam clubs.

To sum it up: the economic principles which were discussed are not really universal in the sex industry and I find it inappropriate to try and apply them especially when terms like "value" are being used. Not to speak of "idle time" which for human beings in the sex industry might often be rather desirable and by no means is a bad thing.

It's really all relative. I mean, in the German FKK threads there recently were examples how to sleep in your car and therefore saving money otherwise spent on hotel rooms. I guess, with that in mind, Babylon, Maxim, GT are horrible deals for sure and we should all bond over camping.I just want to reiterate that I did not accuse you of having any ulterior motives, in fact I tried to put this allegation to rest. I never ever heard you defend Bablyon, if anything you state your preference for Goldentime and Maxim providers.

I think you have a wealth of information about the Austrian scene and really value your contributions. Since Germany, in my view, and Switzerland are not tipping countries I was surprised that Austria is. I recently met a friend of mine from Vienna and we shared a meal and he was adamant about tipping 10%, I was surprised about this.

I do think the dynamics of the girl's behavior and strategy are influenced by the local culture and I am actually interested, I betray my social science education here, in how you and Austrians see things. My opinions on what influence tipping does differ from yours, but I am actually very interested in how you and other Austrians and Viennese see things.

As you say, and I have learned this from you, the scene and options in Vienna have improved markedly during the last 20 years.

About Fun Palast, I unquestionably liked Golden Time better, but Fun Palast is (was) so much nicer than cheaper venues in Germany, those can really be awful places and Fun Palast was so far removed from that reality I wonder why it is considered in such a bad light by locals? When I did visit the place it was early in the day and the rambunctious crowd did not show much, so maybe I have been spared the worst of it.

But I very much doubt Fun Palast would be considered a low end club in Germany, not a high end one, but certainly not low end.

I value your contributions and your generosity in sharing your wealth of knowledge enormously.

Chubzy Maximus
05-16-18, 15:45
Massimo,

Can you please make a clarification. You mentioned half hour premium service at GT is being pushed. This is €100. What do you get for that? Classic intercourse with kissing and BBBJ? Is this correct? Also, How much extra would CIM + swallow be?

Thanks,

Chubzy.

MonSooner
05-16-18, 21:45
Massimo,

Can you please make a clarification. You mentioned half hour premium service at GT is being pushed. This is 100. What do you get for that? Classic intercourse with kissing and BBBJ? Is this correct? Also, How much extra would CIM + swallow be?

Thanks,

Chubzy.If I may, I will answer my pov.

Yes, for a 100 they will often offer BBBJ and kissing. I don't think that I am generally considered a regular in GT. I suppose not all of the ladies know me and some don't recognise me. I am rock solid when they tried if with me recently. Many girls can be persuaded to provide very good service for 60 or so. But not all of them and all the new ones are certainly instructed to ask extra money for everything. The regular girls are smart like that, making it hard for inexperienced girls to get a first foot in the door.

CIM is 60 on top and swallow the same on top.

Pistons
05-17-18, 08:24
But I don't think it makes sense to put a universal "value" stamp on anything here. I mean also to say that calling Babylon and Maxim line-ups "horrible availability" and "ulterior motifs" being in place is utter nonsense which makes me feel like I can't contribute anything on those grounds anymore hence the crossroads reference. Not even entertaining the notion of calling Babylon or Maxim scam clubs.

To sum it up: the economic principles which were discussed are not really universal in the sex industry and I find it inappropriate to try and apply them especially when terms like "value" are being used. Not to speak of "idle time" which for human beings in the sex industry might often be rather desirable and by no means is a bad thing.

It's really all relative. I mean, in the German FKK threads there recently were examples how to sleep in your car and therefore saving money otherwise spent on hotel rooms. I guess, with that in mind, Babylon, Maxim, GT are horrible deals for sure and we should all bond over camping.OK, I admit to have gotten a bit carried away in that post, LOL! Applying some impossibility rethorics. Either way, Maxim is pretty far from what I consider worth it. Got a strip club where I live with about the same rates too, so I find it weird to discuss it here compared to FKK's which I find to be in a different league.

Regarding sleeping in cars, indeed it only works well in Germany when you can leave one club and enter the next 4-5 hours later at opening. One hour will be spent driving anyway. In other areas with less competition in clubs it is a bit useless as a strategy. But with so short time between clubs, it adds tome to sleep as all the hassle with check ins are lost. The hotel on site idea at Wellcum is therefore a great FKK idea.

Massimo Potente
05-17-18, 12:18
CIM is 60 on top and swallow the same on top.That's right, CIM + Swallow amounts to 120 EURO plus the 60 EURO for half an hour or 120 EURO for an hour.

Chubzy Maximus
05-17-18, 20:07
That's right, CIM + Swallow amounts to 120 EURO plus the 60 EURO for half an hour or 120 EURO for an hour.So this clarification helps a lot actually.

For me, this is the way I see it. It's tough when you fly into town on biz to spend hours at GT. Cost would be as such for me.

Entry- €90.

Premium half hour,-€ 100.

CIM+SW- €120.

Additional half hour as sometimes 30 min is not enough. -€60.

Comes out to €370 total for one hour, wow! That's a lot for a guy who wants to go and blow some steam off after a hard day at work.

Also, when it comes to an establishment like GT or maxim where providers are seeing multiple clients a day, it takes a very good provider to give their 4th or 5th client for the night the same passion as the 1st client.

For me, I would prefer to use the services of an outcall provider. I can speak from experience that Elena Frances, Sofia Ivanova, and Daisy were all stunningly beautiful and stellar in service and way more cost effective.

I think GT would make more sense if you head there after dinner and stay till early am next day. That's something I'the prob want to do with the lads and not solo. You would get more out of that €90 entry fee.

I'm not trying to pitch providers and sway someone one way vs the other. Just think there are other blokes out there like me who could benefit from this discussion.

Can someone answer the following questions for me please:

What is there to do between sessions at GT? Is there a billiards table? Are there TVs playing sports where you can sit and have a beer? Can you get a massage? I know there is an outdoor space where you can escape too any other sitting areas?

All in all I got to say to the native Viennese you should be proud of your city and the people, I'm truly jealous at how good you have it!

I do realize I have to eventually just go and experience it. But any info would be greatly appreciated!

MonSooner
05-18-18, 00:40
Cost would be as such for me.

Entry- 90.

Premium half hour,- 100.

CIM+SW- 120.

Additional half hour as sometimes 30 min is not enough. -60.

Comes out to 370 total for one hour, wow!.In 99 out of 100 cases there will NE no Premium if you let her know a full hour and CIM swallow will be in play.

90 + 120 + 120 = 330 first hour. Less any further session. It's not unreasonably high and you have food and drinks.

Nice to hear you voicing your appreciation for the city. Sometimes we need to have it in written form!

Massimo Potente
05-18-18, 01:30
So this clarification helps a lot actually.

For me, this is the way I see it. It's tough when you fly into town on biz to spend hours at GT. Cost would be as such for me.

Entry- 90.

Premium half hour,- 100.

CIM+SW- 120.

Additional half hour as sometimes 30 min is not enough. -60.

Comes out to 370 total for one hour, wow! That's a lot for a guy who wants to go and blow some steam off after a hard day at work.

Also, when it comes to an establishment like GT or maxim where providers are seeing multiple clients a day, it takes a very good provider to give their 4th or 5th client for the night the same passion as the 1st client.

For me, I would prefer to use the services of an outcall provider. I can speak from experience that Elena Frances, Sofia Ivanova, and Daisy were all stunningly beautiful and stellar in service and way more cost effective.

I think GT would make more sense if you head there after dinner and stay till early am next day. That's something I'the prob want to do with the lads and not solo. You would get more out of that 90 entry fee.

I'm not trying to pitch providers and sway someone one way vs the other. Just think there are other blokes out there like me who could benefit from this discussion.

Can someone answer the following questions for me please:

What is there to do between sessions at GT? Is there a billiards table? Are there TVs playing sports where you can sit and have a beer? Can you get a massage? I know there is an outdoor space where you can escape too any other sitting areas?

All in all I got to say to the native Viennese you should be proud of your city and the people, I'm truly jealous at how good you have it!

I do realize I have to eventually just go and experience it. But any info would be greatly appreciated!Billard table would be an actual good idea but that's definitely a no on that in GT and I have never seen one in any FKK TBH. They have a TV and dining room where sports or whatever is televised. Outside area exists of course.

And I don't think your math adds up because you have to stand your ground and deny the girls the premium by all means. After all you are giving them a highly profitable room with CIM and so on. If you let them get away with the overcharge, sorry to say, it would almost be your own fault in a way. Not that don't think they deserve it but it 100 is simply not the base rate that was intended to be charged always.

Going out with the lads is always more fun as long as no one starts judging and stuff.

Massimo Potente
05-18-18, 01:51
so I find it weird to discuss it here compared to FKK's which I find to be in a different league.
It's called ISG for a reason and not International FKK Guide. In Austria the FKKs are the niche in total numbers. And outnumbered they are by a very high rate. Sorry that I sound like a broken record, though, but what is not worth it for you still comes more natural to many sex seeking fellows, than going to an FKK. I see where you are coming from, it is quite all right and understandable. But let people spend or waste their money in which ever joint they please.


The hotel on site idea at Wellcum is therefore a great FKK idea.It is a terrific brothel idea. But in all fairness, the Wellcum guys are the cream of the crop in their field. I admire their work immensely and they are tremendous professionals. But, they are not based in Vienna.

Delta Indigo
05-18-18, 08:19
That's right, CIM + Swallow amounts to 120 EURO plus the 60 EURO for half an hour or 120 EURO for an hour.This I have not heard of anywhere, CIM usually costs 50 Euros more in Hessen and 60 Euros more in GT, I understand that.

I never heard there is an additional charge to swallow on top of that, I remember in GT in 2010 I think, I paid for CIM and the girls swallowed at the end although I had not asked her to, I just paid an additional 60. A lot of girls asked me if I want CIM, but no one mentioned swallowing or an extra charge for it, that is truly strange in my book.

I myself would never pay extra for a girl to swallow, I would not derive any additional pleasure from it. After all my FKK experiences and reading this forum, I have never heard of this before, the swallowing surcharge.

Pistons
05-18-18, 08:39
Also, when it comes to an establishment like GT or maxim where providers are seeing multiple clients a day, it takes a very good provider to give their 4th or 5th client for the night the same passion as the 1st client!Depends on how long the sessions last. 5 sessions lasting 30 minutes each doesn't seem to tire many girls unless they are in very bad shape. Some bunnies can do 10 sessions without getting tired also. But above 10 times 30 min you may enter a dangerous territory if all the time is spent for sex. A fit girl can do this once or twice a week perhaps without getting very tired, but not every day. I have personally heard girls use the excuse of being tired before our room. But then the room turned out to be superb anyway. So it feels sometimes as if they are just trying to cover themselves just in case too. And that is also partly a cover in case you (the guy) are not up to it also. As chemistry goes both ways.

Massimo Potente
05-18-18, 10:12
This I have not heard of anywhere, CIM usually costs 50 Euros more in Hessen and 60 Euros more in GT, I understand that.

I never heard there is an additional charge to swallow on top of that, I remember in GT in 2010 I think, I paid for CIM and the girls swallowed at the end although I had not asked her to, I just paid an additional 60. I am positive that Swallow is 60 extra. What happened in your case was maybe an individual experience in which the girl decided to do it but since it wasn't requested, she didn't try charging for it. I don't think people pay 120 on top that often and will often pass when they hear the amount.

Chubzy Maximus
05-18-18, 21:45
And I don't think your math adds up because you have to stand your ground and deny the girls the premium by all means. After all you are giving them a highly profitable room with CIM and so on. If you let them get away with the overcharge, sorry to say, it would almost be your own fault in a way. Not that don't think they deserve it but it 100 is simply not the base rate that was intended to be charged always.

Going out with the lads is always more fun as long as no one starts judging and stuff.Understood, I was under the impression that the new €100 will be the mainstay. And no, no judging at all only good vibes.

Thanks Massimo.

Chubzy Maximus
05-19-18, 11:30
Depends on how long the sessions last. 5 sessions lasting 30 minutes each doesn't seem to tire many girls unless they are in very bad shape. Some bunnies can do 10 sessions without getting tired also. But above 10 times 30 min you may enter a dangerous territory if all the time is spent for sex. A fit girl can do this once or twice a week perhaps without getting very tired, but not every day. I have personally heard girls use the excuse of being tired before our room. But then the room turned out to be superb anyway. So it feels sometimes as if they are just trying to cover themselves just in case too. And that is also partly a cover in case you (the guy) are not up to it also. As chemistry goes both ways.10 sessions! That's hard to imagine! For me it's very difficult to imagine Guy #6 getting the same level of service vs guy 1. But like you say chemistry counts for a lot.

Zorp 001
05-25-18, 11:05
All this talk about tipping and value of FKKs compared to strip-brothels that's been going on in this thread is kinda making me not want to follow it. It might just be me, but I find this conversation to be utterly boring and I think the thread has been derailed in the wrong direction. Can we just get back to reporting rather than over complicating things? It almost seems like everybody is on a hiatus or doing something else, with the lack of reports that's been happening in the forums. With that said, I won't be a hypocrite and my report is coming soon.

Massimo Potente
05-25-18, 12:06
A while ago 3 Bulgarian sexworkers in GT who ran in a pack mostly when they were still new were mentioned here and on other forums. General consensus was to avoid them if possible because they were no good in the room. Names are Paris, Florina and Irina. Currently Irina is still doing her thing in GT and really still should be avoided as far as other locals indicate. She is very nice and sweet outside but inside the room she changes her attitude quite a lot. Personally I am unaffected by her because of her super botox lips which are a turn-off. I haven't seen Florina in months so no threat there at the moment coming from her. Paris on the other hand is there and seems to be going strong. She seems to having had a change of heart and I have heard multiple enthusiastic reviews tbh. I am really not at all compatible with her but she is damn pretty and cute and sensual in her ways. So the Tripple Threat is now an isolated Irina threat.

Line up in GT good as always this week. Premium still firm in place.

Darster
05-25-18, 15:41
Do you know any girls in Vienna who are known for their footjob skills?

It can be a laufthaus, studio, FKK girl, doesn't matter.

Can you recommend anyone for this?

Zorp 001
05-25-18, 16:22
I'm not a Vienna local, but I visit the city multiple times a month, partially because of the sex scene. Since the lack of reporting didn't really encourage me to try something new, it only made sense to do what feels safest and those places are without a doubt Goldentime and Maxim.

My first visit was to Goldentime the day after I arrived. I had the whole day open, so I wanted to chill in GT for a couple of hours and go for a session or two. The place wasn't particularly crowded and I saw a couple of familiar girls around. One of the familiar faces was Eva who I ended up going to the room with. She didn't seem to remember me, even though I had a session with her previously. Many people (me included) know her as ex FKK Babylon Hamburg and FKK Sharks. She's a tall girl with long black hair, not to be mixed up with the blond haired Bulgarian Eva who also works in GT. Her nose is a bit on the bigger side, but she still looks good. Very polite and calm person. She was well known for her good service; however she was also one of the first who wasn't content with the 60 room even 2 years ago. She didn't really upsell per se, but she elegantly and politely made people go for a full hour and then everything was well. I remember her being very light hearted and sweet, but now I find her to be more serious and less approachable. I guess the long time off that she had away from the business changed it all. Now, she is still good and worth going a full hour for, but she's not the world class anymore as I remember her. Anyway, no reason to complain, I had a great hour with her.

I was thinking about going for another session with Cataleya who was recommended by a local guy. I ended up not going to the room with her, because she only wanted to do the premium and it kinda annoyed me too much at that point. This could have been a spectacular night, but the attitude of the girls feels rather different nowadays. But let's say on a slow day, attitude of the girls may be WORSE than on better days. Anyways, that day I ended up only going for Eva and nobody else in Goldentime, but I feel like it was a good day overall.

TravelNSex
05-25-18, 20:30
Travelling to Vienna in June. Can someone recommend which are the better FKKs, studios and Laufhaus' for these services. Looking for places without any ice queens.

Thanks.

Pistons
05-25-18, 22:54
All this talk about tipping and value of FKKs compared to strip-brothels that's been going on in this thread is kinda making me not want to follow it.I think we ended that discussion over a week ago. Now you are just adding to it. On a different note, I have booked my 2 trips this summer now and on the 2nd trip I have one day at Vienna. So I will give GT another try and report back. But it is not before in Aug, so others have to report first, and no holding breath.

Chubzy Maximus
05-25-18, 23:14
Has anyone sessioned with Dea at Maxim yet?

Zorp 001
05-26-18, 00:49
The day after my GT adventure, I went to the second place I know best, Maxim. I was one of the first in the club, which is kind of a double edged sword (or in forum-specific terms, 2-faced * Sometimes when you are the first or one of the first guests to get inside, the emptiness of the club creates a much different vibe than on busy days. I've learnt to appreciate and make the best out of both scenarios, especially since different vibes in the club lead to different experiences. The advantage of being first is that chances are high that the girl you want is available. Also, you might be her first client of the day, which has its own advantages. This is something that is rarely possible in an FKK, studio or Laufhaus.

Anyway, it was a slow day, as there were a few girls missing who I was looking forward to meeting. There was no Daisy, no Alexandra, no Carla and no Eva. Even with four of the best looking girls absent, the lineup was still good, but not super-good. The girls were chill; they didn't rush me at all. I ordered a drink and started chatting with Amanda who recognized me from before. We exchanged a few memories of her best friend Loly, who is now apparently off to a civil private life. I didn't really want to bring Amanda to the room, so I just sat at the bar and continued enjoying my drink. After a while, Cherry and Raquel came along and started talking me up (it seems to be a thing that they come as a duo). Cherry was actually a delight to talk to and she seems to have a splendid personality. She's a black girl from England (so she's not Nigerian or from another African country). Raquel on the other hand came across a bit pushier.

I decided not to go for these girls either and I ended up going to the room with Maya (https://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/maya1). Dark hair, slim body, great in the sack. I chose Maya mostly because she was the most sexual in her approach and she meant business. She delivered in the room too, amazing performance. I would even compare it to the service given by Daisy. I think in the absence of Daisy, Maya is service-wise as close as you can get. If I remember correctly, Monsooner promised a review of her a few weeks ago, but he never delivered. It's a shame, Maya would have deserved a review from him.

Sorry for making three posts in a day (which could have been one), but I didn't want it to be too long and I wrote these over the course of the day.

Howie
05-26-18, 02:39
A while ago 3 Bulgarian sexworkers in GT who ran in a pack...Names are Paris, Florina and Irina.

Paris on the other hand is there and seems to be going strong. She seems to having had a change of heart and I have heard multiple enthusiastic reviews tbh. I am really not at all compatible with her but she is damn pretty and cute and sensual in her ways.Hey Massimo,

A nice timely update. Thanks for that. Paris is sure damn cute. Can't believe I didn't pull the trigger on her on my GT visit earlier this year. Instead ended up doing a repeat with Inga. But as I'll be back in Vienna soon, I'll be sure to give Paris a try as there is no reason now not to.

Like yourself, I have no interest in Irina with the botox lips and I'm not sure who Florina is so limited risk of getting fleeced by them.

By the way, have you seen Isabella around?

Howie.

Massimo Potente
05-26-18, 09:19
By the way, have you seen Isabella around?
Howie.Saturday last week Isabella was there.

Didn't see Florina in a long time. I guess she left.

Zorp 001
05-26-18, 10:38
I think we ended that discussion over a week ago. Now you are just adding to it. On a different note, I have booked my 2 trips this summer now and on the 2nd trip I have one day at Vienna. So I will give GT another try and report back. But it is not before in Aug, so others have to report first, and no holding breath.At least it seems that my post has ended a one-week posting drought.

MonSooner
05-26-18, 15:27
Saturday last week Isabella was there.

Didn't see Florina in a long time. I guess she left.Isabella is working also tonight.

It's set up to become a very busy day today.

Admin2
05-26-18, 17:22
Thanks to Herr Potente (Sr. Potente? Whatever) I drug myself to Golden Time on the world bootie tour. It was my first time at an FKK and I got to report mixed feelings about it.

For anybody like me who's visiting as a tourist and doesn't have a car it couldn't be easier to get to. Take the 6 tram to Geiereckstrasse and it's a 2 minute walk.

As reported entrance is 90 Euro, locker rooms are fine, lockers somewhat small but ok.

I was there on Thursday around 19 and there were around 60-70 girls working, literally all flavors. When I walked in there was the obligatory hard sell by the far past her prime house frau. While this was my first time at an FKK this wasn't my first rodeo and I disengaged. It kind of pissed me off the way she grabbed my arm but water under the bridge. I got a coke and stood by the bar. I got approached by several girls, all of them friendly (hey I think some of them really liked me) blah, blah, blah do you want to see the cinema? No, I'm not ready to commit yet but thanks and they moved on. There were a pair from Moldavia that I almost went with but I don't like to do group things with girls who work together on a regular basis without having sessioned with one of them a couple times first. First time threesomes have always been a waste of money in my experience.

One of the girls who approached was a very laid back Romanian named Anna. Spinnerish, nice natural breasts, pleasant nature. When she tried to close the first time and I told her I wanted to look some more she didn't whine which is a huge green flag for me. So after about an hour of looking, I decided that she was the one I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, or an hour of it anyway, which turned out to be half an hour so I called her over.

We went to one of the rooms and had a perfectly acceptable half hour session. Very service oriented with supoerior mic skills and an ability to convince me that fucking fat old men is something she digs. What more can one ask for?

After I had some of the worst food I think I've eaten in the last few years, hit the sauna, chilled for a little, took a shower and went next door to play some poker.

Cost was 190,90 to get in, 100 for 30 min with BBBJ. I'm glad I did it but I wouldn't repeat the experience with anybody at that number. I knew what it would be going in so no complaining, but I would't return and feel the pain of the guys who live here.

Thanks for the info to all.

Zumboit
05-27-18, 15:01
went next door to play some poker.What's the poker hall like? Holdem? No limit? Stakes?

Massimo Potente
05-27-18, 21:20
What's the poker hall like? Holdem? No limit? Stakes?Texas, Omaha, no limit and pot limit. 1/2 and 2/5 and higher on occassion. Other stuff on request as well. It is a pretty big card room.

Zumboit
05-28-18, 16:06
Arrived around 8, good crowd, but not too crowded. Took my time meeting ones I thought possible by looking away from those who were out of the question and making eye contact with those I liked. Two of the best looking ones I approached, but left after an icy intro. One was a kind of Barbie blond, sitting on the circular couches, the other a tall brunette, shoulder length hair, medium naturals, perfect bod. I touched her hair, was swatted away, breaking any good vibes.

Went with Anke, nice looking, Latin face, bright red lipstick. No upsell. Nice half hour room, great BBBJ.

Next session with a really skinny blonde, not quite a great connection but I took it to CIM, 60+60.

So, it felt mellow, no sign of reported upselling. More than enough good choices.

Beer 30
05-28-18, 20:35
Travelling to Vienna in June. Can someone recommend which are the better FKKs, studios and Laufhaus' for these services. Looking for places without any ice queens.

Thanks.I had a great session with Jessica from laufhaus-Vienna. At DT BJ and FS at €50. This place is clean, doors open so possible to chat with the girls to determine mood. I'the repeat, a great selection.

Nonenom
05-29-18, 11:43
I had a great session with Jessica from laufhaus-Vienna. At DT BJ and FS at 50. This place is clean, doors open so possible to chat with the girls to determine mood. I'the repeat, a great selection.Hi,

Thanks for info. What about photos in laufhaus-Vienna. At? Are they real? Did you say that some PhotoShopping has been done?

Zorp 001
05-31-18, 18:41
Hi,

Thanks for info. What about photos in laufhaus-Vienna. At? Are they real? Did you say that some PhotoShopping has been done?Speaking from personal experience, I think 90% of all Laufhauses in Vienna have real images of the girls. Of course, some of them are strongly enhanced with photoshop, but the pictures are real regardless. This also depends on the girls and not the club or Laufhaus. Although it is true for some Laufhauses to have overly photoshopped images, Laufhaus Vienna is not typically one of them. They are not known for having unreal photos of the girls with too much photoshop. A perfect example of overly photoshopped images of the girls would be Laufhaus Juchgasse.

Foreman371
06-06-18, 20:43
The standard drink that usually every girl is very content with is 87.Are you required to buy the girl a lady drink before going to the room? I guess this is how Maxim manages to not have an entry fee but spending 87 euro for just one drink is silly. How does this even work, when a girl approaches you she asks you to buy her an 87 euro drink and if you refuse she leaves, or provides worse service? Don't the girls get drunk if they have to drink with every guy they talk to?

I also read a few reports here that the staff is pushing guys to order expensive stuff from the menu, even while they are drinking an overpriced Heineken. I would go there just for the girls, not to hang out drinking since I don't even drink alcohol, how pushy is the staff? I would prefer to just pay a 90 euro entry fee than waste money on 87 euro lady drinks every time I talk to a new girl, and deal with the staff bothering me.

And thank you Massimo for all the information you keep posting.

Zorp 001
06-07-18, 12:57
Are you required to buy the girl a lady drink before going to the room? I guess this is how Maxim manages to not have an entry fee but spending 87 euro for just one drink is silly. How does this even work, when a girl approaches you she asks you to buy her an 87 euro drink and if you refuse she leaves, or provides worse service? Don't the girls get drunk if they have to drink with every guy they talk to?

I also read a few reports here that the staff is pushing guys to order expensive stuff from the menu, even while they are drinking an overpriced Heineken. I would go there just for the girls, not to hang out drinking since I don't even drink alcohol, how pushy is the staff? I would prefer to just pay a 90 euro entry fee than waste money on 87 euro lady drinks every time I talk to a new girl, and deal with the staff bothering me.

And thank you Massimo for all the information you keep posting.This question was asked and answered multiple times in this thread, but here we go. You are not required to buy the girl a drink before going to the room, but it is something that you can choose to do, to treat the girl you're about to have sex with. Most of the girls will ask for a drink, but they won't leave immediately if you say no. And I've never experienced a bad service as a result of not buying the girl a drink she wanted. I suppose if you would rather pay the 90 entry fee in order to not consume anything other than the girls, than sex bars might not be for you.

MonSooner
06-07-18, 13:16
How does this even work, when a girl approaches you she asks you to buy her an 87 euro drink and if you refuse she leaves, or provides worse service? Don't the girls get drunk if they have to drink with every guy they talk to?.The girls will not provide worse service if you don't pay them a drink. They might however concentrate rather on guys who do.

So if you come on a very slow night you will have all girls to choose from. If you happen to come on a busy night, you might see bottles on every table and all girls busy. But regardless of busy night or slow night, if the price of a Heineken seems overpriced to you just pick another place that suits you. It would be silly to go if you know that the prices and the system bother you.

LandoBuzz
06-09-18, 19:12
A crescendo of Photoshopped lady this weekend in Vienna. First one at the Max Winter Laufahaus, with mild facial retouching for Chiara who however more than compensated by a great body and a spectacular performance and excellent participation. Today Residenz at Brunn am Gebirge (need a car to get there) where Tiffany also made up for some retouching with an amazing performance, like a true pornostar. I should have stopped there but decided to try Studio Benessere in Adamsgasse, mostly because it seemed a classy place from the photos. Stella was available and she looks quite good on the website but actually has 5 Kg of extra fat on her belly, and sagging breasts, and extra-material all around her body. Doggy-style her fat was hanging down like she had a pouch. Quite gross. She seemed only interested in finishing as soon as possible, and after contemplating the scenario, I quickly wrapped-up in 30 min rather than one HR and left. Prices in euros 180, 160, and 160, respectively.

I should have asked Massimo Potente for advice, since I did not want to run into anyone whom I know at the FKK-style places and decided to try smaller studie. Lesson learned. Ask the expert.

Max #01
06-10-18, 03:34
The girls will not provide worse service if you don't pay them a drink. They might however concentrate rather on guys who do.

So if you come on a very slow night you will have all girls to choose from. If you happen to come on a busy night, you might see bottles on every table and all girls busy. But regardless of busy night or slow night, if the price of a Heineken seems overpriced to you just pick another place that suits you. It would be silly to go if you know that the prices and the system bother you.I've always told the girls: "I'd rather spend the 87 Euros on you. ".

Chubzy Maximus
06-10-18, 05:55
I've always told the girls: "I'd rather spend the 87 Euros on you..Good line!

WorldWanderer
06-11-18, 02:21
Hi all,

I see that some of the laufhauses in Vienna advertise sex dolls for service. I was wondering if anyone has tried that. Can you please share your experience. I am planning to buy one. Maybe a good idea to do a trial first. Please share.

Cheers,

WW.

Zorp 001
06-11-18, 12:34
A crescendo of Photoshopped lady this weekend in Vienna. First one at the Max Winter Laufahaus, with mild facial retouching for Chiara who however more than compensated by a great body and a spectacular performance and excellent participation. Today Residenz at Brunn am Gebirge (need a car to get there) where Tiffany also made up for some retouching with an amazing performance, like a true pornostar. I should have stopped there but decided to try Studio Benessere in Adamsgasse, mostly because it seemed a classy place from the photos. Stella was available and she looks quite good on the website but actually has 5 Kg of extra fat on her belly, and sagging breasts, and extra-material all around her body. Doggy-style her fat was hanging down like she had a pouch. Quite gross. She seemed only interested in finishing as soon as possible, and after contemplating the scenario, I quickly wrapped-up in 30 min rather than one HR and left. Prices in euros 180, 160, and 160, respectively.

I should have asked Massimo Potente for advice, since I did not want to run into anyone whom I know at the FKK-style places and decided to try smaller studie. Lesson learned. Ask the expert.IKR, expecting a 9 and getting a 4 is on top of my list of "Worst mongering experiences" The Photoshop problem is one of the main reasons why I don't book girls before seeing them in real life. I either go for girls that I saw before or choose from sites and places that have Photoshop-less photos.

PepeNder
06-13-18, 10:19
I've read some informative answers in this forum and I was hoping to get some info about a couple of girls from Maxim. This would be my first time going to Austria and I'm generally not an experienced consumer of paid sex. I only know about Maxim from this forum and their website, so some help would be appreciated. I found Antonia on the site who looks very sexy and speaks Spanish. Ariana also looks good, I like her huge breasts. That's the first thing I saw when I opened her profile. I mainly picked these two girls based on looks, so can you guys tell me more about them? Are they good service providers? Or are there any other girls you would recommend?

Antonia: https://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/antonia2.

Ariana: https://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/ariana.

P.S. Austria is only the first stop on my three stage sex trip. I intend on heading to Budapest and Bratislava after Vienna, which should be an exciting three stage trip.

Massimo Potente
06-14-18, 12:25
I've read some informative answers in this forum and I was hoping to get some info about a couple of girls from Maxim. This would be my first time going to Austria and I'm generally not an experienced consumer of paid sex. I only know about Maxim from this forum and their website, so some help would be appreciated. I found Antonia on the site who looks very sexy and speaks Spanish. Ariana also looks good, I like her huge breasts. That's the first thing I saw when I opened her profile. I mainly picked these two girls based on looks, so can you guys tell me more about them? Are they good service providers? Or are there any other girls you would recommend?

Antonia: https://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/antonia2.

Ariana: https://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/ariana.

P.S. Austria is only the first stop on my three stage sex trip. I intend on heading to Budapest and Bratislava after Vienna, which should be an exciting three stage trip.Seems like a good trip coming up for you!

IRC Ariana had some positive reviews in this thread when she first came to Maxim beginning last year, I think that was. The boobs are as spectacular as always so if that is important for you then you won't go wrong with her. Biggest boobs I ever saw in Maxim and I don't think I saw a girl with bigger natural boobs in the FKKs so far. But I might have missed the one or the other lady.

As far as Antonia is concerned, she is the cute type with long silky black hair. A happy girl; I don't think you will go wrong taking her to the room, either. Some time ago somebody asked about Dea. Seems she is already on vacation or something. I personally never had an experience with her.

John Auro
06-14-18, 16:19
I will be in Vienna in a week.

I have not been there for a year, this place was good once, but now?

www.nanamassage.at , Stättermayergasse 31 a.

Any recoomandation for chinese massage parlours, name of a girl, or anything other worth while?

J.

Darster
06-14-18, 16:57
I will be in Vienna in a week.

I have not been there for a year, this place was good once, but now?

www.nanamassage.at , Stttermayergasse 31 a.

Any recoomandation for chinese massage parlours, name of a girl, or anything other worth while?

J.Stattmayergasse is still a pretty good place, I have had 2 sessions there in March with a girl called Lisa.

For me even better place is Vienna Night Club (http://www.vnclub.at/). Thats a little bar / night club with few asian girls.

If you go to Vienna Night Club, I would recommend you the girl called "Lucy". Not just that she is a great service provider but funny girl and her body is just amazing.

PepeNder
06-15-18, 16:17
Seems like a good trip coming up for you!

IRC Ariana had some positive reviews in this thread when she first came to Maxim beginning last year, I think that was. The boobs are as spectacular as always so if that is important for you then you won't go wrong with her. Biggest boobs I ever saw in Maxim and I don't think I saw a girl with bigger natural boobs in the FKKs so far. But I might have missed the one or the other lady.

As far as Antonia is concerned, she is the cute type with long silky black hair. A happy girl; I don't think you will go wrong taking her to the room, either. Some time ago somebody asked about Dea. Seems she is already on vacation or something. I personally never had an experience with her.Thanks Massimo Potente for the fast response. Yes, huge breasts can be a deciding factor for me more often than not. I think I will try to go for Ariana or if she's not there, I'll look for the second biggest pair. I guess calling beforehand to make sure she's there would be the safest bet.

This pretty much clears up the Vienna stage of my trip. I'll be traveling next week or so, will make sure to report afterwards.

JaimeTenerife
06-19-18, 22:28
I will be in Vienna in a week.

I have not been there for a year, this place was good once, but now?

www.nanamassage.at , Stttermayergasse 31 a.

Any recoomandation for chinese massage parlours, name of a girl, or anything other worth while?

J.I looking some place with good relax and massage. Attractive masseuse but don't want full service. Someone have idea where is good place for this kind of pleasure?

Thanks.

JaimeTenerife
06-19-18, 22:31
I will be in Vienna in a week.

I have not been there for a year, this place was good once, but now?

www.nanamassage.at , Stttermayergasse 31 a.

Any recoomandation for chinese massage parlours, name of a girl, or anything other worth while?

J.I want good massage with attractive masseuse but without all service? Someone have idea where is good place?

MikeTravel90
06-24-18, 11:14
I want good massage with attractive masseuse but without all service? Someone have idea where is good place?
I want good massage with attractive masseuse but without all service? Someone have idea where is good place?If you need something really good. This is the best option.

The last one that I tried was the touch massage, which was very relaxing and extremely sensitive. I had that experience again with Carla.

http://www.bazar.at/wunderbar-erotic-massage-von-carla-koerper-zu-koerper-body-to-body-tantra-anzeigen-12449384.html

Before she working in another country. She performs the massage slowly, you feel her rhythmic breathing, step by step more exciting. It's the best feeling. I take 1 hour and half. Pay 170 e.

Since it was an interactive massage she touching you all the body. Relish the touch of her small beautifull and round tits and fit body.

Her hands were pretty skilful with the manual lingam ending. The best part about this experience was that This place stands out for the cleanliness and comfort of its installations. I went to many places but this is the best choose stay with her.

Jack91
06-25-18, 17:36
Any opinion about new laufhaus Zollgasse3? They have website with pictures of really perfect girls. OK, there's a Photoshop, but even without it these girls just can't be ugly. Are they really so gorgeous as they look like? It looks like a club with really high class models.

Second question about rules. Are doors to each room open or you need to knock? And if any of girls is waiting topless or all of them always have underwear?

Massimo Potente
06-25-18, 22:09
Any opinion about new laufhaus Zollgasse3? They have website with pictures of really perfect girls. OK, there's a Photoshop, but even without it these girls just can't be ugly. Are they really so gorgeous as they look like? It looks like a club with really high class models.

Second question about rules. Are doors to each room open or you need to knock? And if any of girls is waiting topless or all of them always have underwear?Zollgasse is the new branch of Laufhaus Juchgasse. They are best known for the use of photoshop, that is true. Never-the-less you can certainly find pretty girls there as well. Doors will probably not be open in Zollgasse because they never are in Juchgasse and in those 2 houses everything is the same. You have to knock for sure. Don't think that they will wait topless, it would be uncharacteristic.

The house is brand new and not all the girls that you see on the website will be present. If you compare the websites of Juchgasse and Zollgasse you will see the "double bookings". If you want to see a particular girl you have to call first. Otherwise why not give it a look, first look will be for free, obviously.

If you google for the Sex vienna blog and Laufhaus Juchgasse you will find a few articles and reviews about the house.

MonSooner
06-26-18, 11:34
Are they really so gorgeous as they look like? It looks like a club with really high class models.?With a little experience in the field of paid sex it is fairly obvious that they have a very strong Photoshop game going. Fair enough but don't be blinded by it. I mean it's not like they cast the girls or anything, the ladies pay quite a high weekly rent to work there.

Zorp 001
06-26-18, 12:05
Any opinion about new laufhaus Zollgasse3? They have website with pictures of really perfect girls. OK, there's a Photoshop, but even without it these girls just can't be ugly. Are they really so gorgeous as they look like? It looks like a club with really high class models.

Second question about rules. Are doors to each room open or you need to knock? And if any of girls is waiting topless or all of them always have underwear?Many of those "models" in Laufhaus Juchgasse have been using the same pictures for years now. If you ask me, that's just as bad as using overly photoshopped images.

Massimo Potente
06-27-18, 00:27
Many of those "models" in Laufhaus Juchgasse have been using the same pictures for years now. It's a very white lie but of course some girls in Zollgasse / Juchgasse have vintage photos so to speak. LOL.

Take Carol for example, I am quite sure she has used those very photos 5-6 years ago already. To see what she looks like now, you have to knock on App 53's door. Rebecca's photos have also aged a fair bit.
The girl with the most accurate photos, by the way, is Alexia. WYSIWG for sure and she was well recommended as long as she worked in LH Rachel and that was for a while. She's nice too.

Nonenom
06-27-18, 06:25
Hi colleagues,

When we have this interesting discussion about Photoshoped photos. What about the biggest Laufhaus in Vienna? I mean Laufhaus Vienna in Triesterstrasse. Has anybody some experience? Can I somehow rely on photos which are on the webpage?

Thanks a lot.

John Auro
06-27-18, 11:00
I was on a visit to Vienna and I visited Lisa / Staettermayergasse 31 a (nanamassage. At) as recommended by "Darster". It was 5 pm (Thursday) she was sleeping, very good, a brought her to work. Slim girl, pretty look, petite, she said she has 25 years, but to my estimation she could be older too. However her body was slack, without muscles, a body which got never trained for sport or jogging I guess? She likes (or lets say she is used) to suck over a long time, but I was missing the kick to come, which only a few girls know to manage with me. Kissing was not long and not much responded by her. Later missionary, she has not a tight pussy, but wet, she was moaning. She never looked at me during sex, she closed her eyes. Some girls can look wild and enthusiastic at you during. Sex. We finished wz CIM. But my overall experience, we started with good energy which we could not keep up over the time of one hour. Actually hour would have been enough for us. Last 20 minutes we killed with massage, Lisa is good in massage. And Lisa is a nice girl overall. Later I met Anna (boss? Lilly and Coko (tall girl) in the kitchen, they offered me to eat water melon with them and we talked a little. Nice experience. Damage 100EUR f one hour, no tip as money was asked in advance.

I checked for curiosity Vienna Night Club (vnclub. At) at 10 pm. The place was recommended too by "Darster". It's a bar, I ordered a beer for 6,50EUR, but the 3 girls instantly bothered me to buy champagne or take them to the massage room, 120EUR/ HR, 70EUR 1/2 HR. I did not like the recommended Lucy. The 3rd girl was from Nigeria (petite). The place looked desperately empty. I left after finishing my beer.

Saturday at 7 pm I visited a place which was recommended to me for traditional massage (Salzgries 2). I was put up with Poo, a Lady about 40 years with suntun. 3 min 30EUR. When asking for her name no proper answer came, later I noticed she was not willing to talk with me at all! At the end of the 30 min, she left the room suddenly with incredible speed! Her acupressure was ok at legs but painful on my back. At the reception I complained why no body stretching was included? I was told in an unfriendly way that I should please book one hour for this. A sexy young chick was sitting at the reception together with the other less interesting women. I asked her for her name. The receptionist unfriendly answered me instead "She is my daughter! I left quickly, why the hell the girl was dressed in a massage uniform!

Sunday afternoon, at 3 pm I passed at Staettermayergasse 31 a, this time to go for Coko. A tall skinny girl with shaved pussy. She opened me the door and she told me that Lisa (Lisza they pronounce it) was busy anyhow. 30 min 60EUR. Coko has less routine than the other girl, but good will anyhow. Sucking was ok, but after 5 min she got tired? Missionary was good, tight pussy and she played well with her pussy muscles. Actually she got quit hot and emotional and much more engaged with me as the other girl. Even kissing me with pointed tongue she did not stop at all. Coko seemed to enjoy the fu. k with me. Could not come, but that's my age, I need at least 5 days to fill my bag for a good shot. But Coco cared for me, after the deed I was sweating and she did not stop wiping sweat from my face and forehead. I had a good time. Left Vienna after. I always had good experience with chines ladies in Vienna.

J.

JaimeTenerife
06-27-18, 21:38
If you need something really good. This is the best option.

The last one that I tried was the touch massage, which was very relaxing and extremely sensitive. I had that experience again with Carla.

https://erotik.laendleanzeiger.at/erotische-massagen/c6970a212567033/wunderbar-erotic-massage-carla.html

Before she working in another country. She performs the massage slowly, you feel her rhythmic breathing, step by step more exciting. It's the best feeling. I take 1 hour and half. Pay 170 e.

Since it was an interactive massage she touching you all the body. Relish the touch of her small beautifull and round tits and fit body.

Her hands were pretty skilful with the manual lingam ending. The best part about this experience was that This place stands out for the cleanliness and comfort of its installations. I went to many places but this is the best choose stay with her.Yes, she is here too, maybe the first web is not correct.

https://erotik.laendleanzeiger.at/erotische-massagen/c6970a212567033/wunderbar-erotic-massage-carla.html

Massimo Potente
06-28-18, 08:56
Hi colleagues,

When we have this interesting discussion about Photoshoped photos. What about the biggest Laufhaus in Vienna? I mean Laufhaus Vienna in Triesterstrasse. Has anybody some experience? Can I somehow rely on photos which are on the webpage?

Thanks a lot.LH Vienna is a different animal than LH Juchgasse and Zollgasse. Less photoshop and a very established Laufhaus. Nothing at all wrong about it, Ladies are often having a hard time getting a room there because they are fully booked all year.

Pistons
06-28-18, 13:48
Is the rate 50 at these laufhauses? And is there a forum with a decent amount of reviews on the girls working there? There seems to be a few at Laufhaus Vienna who looks quite ok.

Pistons
06-28-18, 13:50
And how is the parking options outside Laufhaus Vienna?

MonSooner
06-29-18, 00:42
And how is the parking options outside Laufhaus Vienna?They have their own parking in the backyard. Quite solid. At night there is also a decent chance to find a spot on Triester straße.

Massimo Potente
06-29-18, 09:08
Is the rate 50 at these laufhauses? And is there a forum with a decent amount of reviews on the girls working there? There seems to be a few at Laufhaus Vienna who looks quite ok.50 for 15 minutes. Half an hour 70 or 80. Usually 20 or 30 extra for OWO and kissing each but probably negotiable. They have their own private parking lot.

Pistons
06-29-18, 16:07
50 for 15 minutes. Half an hour 70 or 80. Usually 20 or 30 extra for OWO and kissing each but probably negotiable. They have their own private parking lot.Not as appealing then.

TeFab456
06-29-18, 17:13
Been to Funpalast last week. Currently this volatile establishment seems to be on an upswing. Many nice girls, some of them true GFE. Difficult to tell though, who will be there this week, as many were only there fort tryouts or contemplating moving to more promising lands (countries). Especially recommended to show up early and spend a lazy afternoon with girl after girl showing up. You can have two, three amazing rooms before the real business in the evening begins. On my day it felt almost like Goldentime, with slightly smaller lineup, but a lot less routine.

Darster
06-29-18, 17:30
I was on a visit to Vienna and I visited Lisa / Staettermayergasse 31 a (nanamassage. At) as recommended by "Darster". It was 5 pm (Thursday) she was sleeping, very good, a brought her to work. Slim girl, pretty look, petite, she said she has 25 years, but to my estimation she could be older too. However her body was slack, without muscles, a body which got never trained for sport or jogging I guess? She likes (or lets say she is used) to suck over a long time, but I was missing the kick to come, which only a few girls know to manage with me. Kissing was not long and not much responded by her. Later missionary, she has not a tight pussy, but wet, she was moaning. She never looked at me during sex, she closed her eyes. Some girls can look wild and enthusiastic at you during. Sex. We finished wz CIM. But my overall experience, we started with good energy which we could not keep up over the time of one hour. Actually hour would have been enough for us. Last 20 minutes we killed with massage, Lisa is good in massage. And Lisa is a nice girl overall. Later I met Anna (boss? Lilly and Coko (tall girl) in the kitchen, they offered me to eat water melon with them and we talked a little. Nice experience. Damage 100EUR f one hour, no tip as money was asked in advance..Thanks for you review! You can find mine here - http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?621-Vienna&p=2159351#post2159351.

So Stattmayergasse 31 a studio is still one of the best place with Asian girls. "Vienna Night Club" usually doesn't have more than 2-3 girls, when I was there in March they never asked me to buy lady drinks, I do not speak German and I am a younger guy, not sure if that could be the reason or something has changed there. If we are talking about the same Lucy (27 yrs old), I have never seen an Asian girl with better body in Vienna.

Planning my next trip to Vienna, this time will try other girl than Lisa in Stattmayergasse. I heard the Anna who is the boss is working sometimes as well, not sure if that's true.

Also I have read a lot about the studio in Alserbachstrasse 19,1 hour costs 8 O euro with anal included. Thai-Skinny seems to be a asian MILF there with silicion tits and great body.

If I visit Alserbachstrasse 19 studio, will leave my review here.

PepeNder
07-06-18, 20:25
Back from my trip and I can say that I had a fantastic time in Vienna and the other places I traveled to. My reports will follow for the Budapest and Bratislava threads as well.

First day in Vienna, I just went full tourist mode and explored the city. Gorgeous city, you locals are so fortunate to be living there. The hotel I stayed at was pretty close to the city center, so getting around was not a problem. Special thanks to the Maxim site for recommending the Derag Livinghotel An der Oper hotel, which is 20 m away from the club.

The next day, I started my sex quest with the place you guys recommended; Maxim. I called before going to make sure that Ariana is there, mostly because I wanted to see her large titties in person. There were around 20 girls when I arrived, which was as expected after reading about the club in this thread. I arrived at Maxim early and it was conveniently quiet, so girls were available for the taking, however later it got a bit crowded. Ariana was with a client at the time, but after like 10 minutes she came down to the club. You were right Massimo Potente, she does have one of the largest pairs I've ever seen.

We had a pleasant conversation with Ariana, she's a very polite and likeable person. She's also actually quite beautiful, wide smile, big eyes; something that is not really visible on the Maxim site. We talked for a couple of minutes, in which I learned that Ariana used to work in Wellcum until beginning of last year. Apparently, she found her new home in the form of Maxim and it is more convenient in many regards, like a more diverse clientele compared to only Italians in Wellcum. I asked about her services and price, which she explained in a playful manner. We discussed what I wanted, I paid at the bar and we were off to the rooms. I paid 200 for a regular room, which was completely fine. The room wasn't luxurious, but it was good enough.

The room we went to had a shower (not sure if every room has one), so I asked if we could take a shower together. She agreed and we cleaned ourselves up before continuing. While Ariana was taking her clothes off, my endorphin levels went through the roof. I think she saw my enthusiasm as she was giggling while taking her clothes off. Very cute. After the shower, I got a nice sloppy blowjob. With a pair of tits like these, she knows how to use them and I didn't really know where to start and what to do and not do with them.

After our session, Ariana brought me back inside to the bar and I did some more chatting with the bartender and her. Naturally, after a couple of minutes Ariana had to leave and look for other clients. Before I left the club I told the receptionist that Ariana was triple AAA, but the room was merely solid. The receptionist agreed and told me that they intend on upgrading all rooms one-by-one over the summer. Apparently, one or two additional rooms might be added because of high demand. At least that's what the receptionist told me.

All in all, my Vienna trip was all I hoped for. Ariana did a great job and she was amazing in the room. I can only recommend Maxim and I would certainly repeat Ariana. I spent the next day chilling and looking around the city before continuing my sex trip to Budapest.

BTW, here's Ariana's page on the Maxim site: https://maxim-wien.com/all-girls/ariana.

Massimo Potente
07-08-18, 11:32
You were right Massimo Potente, she does have one of the largest pairs I've ever seen.
We had a pleasant conversation with Ariana, she's a very polite and likeable personShe's definitely worth a look and undervalued when it comes to Maxim girls that are talked about here in my opinion. With all the talk about mostly only Daisy and Maya other nice girls hardly are mentioned. As far as big natural boobs are concerned there is one new girl in Maxim. Her name is Bianca and her tits are almost as huge as Ariana's. She is not on the website at all like so many of the new girls recently so I can't provide a link. Very attractive secretary-looking girl with glasses. But unexperienced which is why I didn't get further with her yet.

Massimo Potente
07-09-18, 11:30
I had a quite interesting relax day at GT last week with lots of great talk and things to ruminate over. I feel like there isn't another realm in the world where reality and perception and personal experiences vary incongruently as they do in FKKs or paidsex in general. The effect and combination of great sunny weather and the low-key character of a slow day made things very enjoyable to me. Line-up in GT is really good right now but decreasing as holidays are taking its toll on Vienna. Everything is slowing down and so is visitors and girls in numbers.

Of course the girls don't know to enjoy a sunny slow day as I do. It's often making them nervous or angry (which the literal translation of nervous seems to be in Romanian) because "no money no funny". It's all the same as it ever was. Some girls make all the money and some girls are doing nothing for hours on sometimes 12-14-hour working days. And all that although the PREMIUM is absolutely firmly in place. LOL.

I talked to a girl who is new in GT and formerly worked all over Vienna but mostly in Maxim and FP and Babylon Klagenfurt some time ago and she was hilarious in the room when she acted out to me how it goes with the premium negotiatons once you are alreacy captivated in the room and your both nakednesses are playing tricks on your brain. It was a very divided crowd, I felt. Myself and aparently most other regular locals were obvioulsy having great fun, others seem to were very vocal in ranting about how terrible service has become (for 60). It is all a very strange trend and I still blame the German law for it. It's no coincidence that the premium came to life almost exactly in the middle of last year when it got into effect in Germany in June or July 2017.

Sirioja
07-09-18, 12:19
She's definitely worth a look and undervalued when it comes to Maxim girls that are talked about here in my opinion. With all the talk about mostly only Daisy and Maya other nice girls hardly are mentioned. As far as big natural boobs are concerned there is one new girl in Maxim. Her name is Bianca and her tits are almost as huge as Ariana's. She is not on the website at all like so many of the new girls recently so I can't provide a link. Very attractive secretary-looking girl with glasses. But unexperienced which is why I didn't get further with her yet.Little girl look or behavior are not interesting for me, but unexperienced in this business can be very interesting and enjoyable, sometimes very fresh and real for sex.

Zumboit
07-09-18, 12:45
Spent two nights at GT last week, Sunday and Tuesday. Started off good Tuesday, and I acquiesced to going into the cinema with Diana and Anya, Blond Russian and Dark RU or Bulgarian. I offered no promise, but my horniness got the best of me when they started playing with my hard cock so I let them suck me in the cinema before going to a room. The blonde was a looker and cute, though the brunette gave the better blowjob. Should have resisted, a fast 120 gone.

Next thinnish Anna, nice, BBBJ no upsell, not special, but OK.

Then I saw naked Sonia walking around. A true Gazelle, she looks so good standing there, pretty, small hips, very slightly enhanced breasts. I immediately told her I was up for half hour with CIM, to which she replied, "that will be 120 then". Very nice time, no kissing though, that would be 30 extra. Really nice enthusiastic BBBJ. Still I had fun, blew into her mouth, left happy.

Returned Tuesday, wanting a repeat. Found Sonia, said I want a good time, would upgrade to kissing, CIM. Started off great, then at half an hour I said I would extend to an hour. "Well that will be the 60 half hour more, plus 40 more for uncovered BJ, plus the previous half hour, 60, plus the promised CIM 60. Plus the 30 kissing. I was like what, extra 40 after paying for CIM and Kiss, plus an hour, plus loyal customer from before. She wouldn't budge, I reluctantly said OK, though I shouldn't have, 10 minutes to now mediocre BJ as I'd lost the hardness / passion, CIM.

Lesson: Stop when it starts going bad, rather that paying more for bad. And make it clear what you want. In fairness to her I think she had implied she charged more for uncovered the first night but never explicitly said so and it shocked me. In six or so times at GT this was the first uncovered upsell, so I hadn't expected it.

Afterwards, while watching the GB-Columbia match I met a delicious young brunette, thin with fantastic bod, smiley. I told her after the match, but then couldn't find her. Drats! Another lesson learned. What a fool to lose a great session for a football match.

Afterwards I went next door to play 1-1 no limit Holdem. Mellow atmosphere, totally ok for casual player.

Massimo Potente
07-10-18, 13:01
Returned Tuesday, wanting a repeat. Found Sonia, said I want a good time, would upgrade to kissing, CIM. Started off great, then at half an hour I said I would extend to an hour. "Well that will be the 60 half hour more, plus 40 more for uncovered BJ, plus the previous half hour, 60, plus the promised CIM 60. Plus the 30 kissing. I was like what, extra 40 after paying for CIM and Kiss, plus an hour, plus loyal customer from before. She wouldn't budge, I reluctantly said OK, though I shouldn't have, 10 minutes to now mediocre BJ as I'd lost the hardness / passion, CIM.

Lesson: Stop when it starts going bad, rather that paying more for bad.What a difference a day makes!

MonSooner
07-10-18, 22:00
I haven't got the chance to visit Vienna again, last time was like 2015. How are the girls here nowadays?Apart from the few good places that everybody talks about I feel that it is going downhill.

A general rule that you can find ONE gem in any place, that is definitely over. But maybe I am more sensitive about it because summer line-ups are usually inferior compared to other seasons.

PussyLiccker
07-12-18, 02:50
Visited GT two days. Sunday and Monday. Interestingly, Monday LU had more girls. I liked the LU better than what I saw at Wellcum. I think there are better service providers at this club, and services are on the avg better as well. Wellcum's service level really isn't that good.

The situation with this club is the upsell, it's quite prevelent. There's a good chance that the girl will bring up extra for BBBJ (or kissing) in the room if you have not discussed pricing outside before hand. Standard session rate is 60 Euros per half HR, and the upsell for uncovered BJ and kissing for 40 Euros more. I've mainly experienced upsell for BBBJ rather than kissing. From what I recall, girls wanted 40 more in the half HR rate for BBBJ. Interestingly, girls that said kissing to be include in the services only upsold for BBBJ in the room. I guess girls rather not do BBBJ compared to kissing at this club.

Within the last two trips, I found good providers here. At least one extraordinary provider per trip.

This visit I ran into one provider that was quite excellent. Once we got in the room, she wanted 100 for half HR with BBBJ and kissing, but was willing to kiss in a half HR session with CBJ. Go figure. She was willing to do 1 HR with BBBJ and kissing, and turned out to be really passionate in the room with DFK.

Another girl that was a good provider didn't upsell me at all. She didn't ask for any extras, and performed BBBJ and DFK. She works during daytime, and during the day I was interested in taking her, but given the level of upsell at this club, decided to wait for full LU to develop. She approached me a few times throughout, but didn't pull the trigger until later at night, I decided to go with her. Earlier on, she was selling doubles with her fat friend, so I didn't get the best vibes. When I took her though, she was a sweety. She was such a beauty and couldn't believe she provided the services I wanted without request of extra charges or extension of room time. She was so nice, and tried to provide me with good service. I wonder if you have higher chances of good services with the daytime LU.

The next girl I negotiated 1 HR with kissing, and I got a feeling that she isn't a GFE provider. That was a waste of extra 60 as the 2nd half HR, her service just went down hill. She approach me to session again the next day, and of course declined.

I saw a real beauty infront of the bar the first night that I failed to take, and was happy when I spotted her the next night. Very pretty blonde (had a model face) with nice slim body with green eyes. She didn't upsell either, but she shows in the night. She provides kissing (weirdly only tongue) and BBBJ in the first half HR, and man was her BBBJ good. Very nice gal.

One session was pretty mediocre. I went with a very sexy womanly looking Ro. She pulled that 100 for 30 min bullshit, but talked her into 1 HR with kissing, and she tried to get me to CIM, etc. And session was mediocre. She hardly kissed, etc.

Sorry, can't recall the names.

I personally prefer this club over Wellcum. I had lots more targets and easily triggered picks, and I've had better luck at GT for services. Every girl would comply to kissing request (although 50% of them upsold me), so more potential here for services. I just get a feeling that girls at this club would rather kiss than give BBBJ since extra request for BBBJ was greater.

I didn't run into any upsells at Wellcum, and I guess the girls are fine with extra 10 Euros with very content Italians as clients(majority probably don't require GFE). I ran into upsell 50% of the time at GT, but I think services on the avg is better at GT (you may have to negotiate for 1 HR at times though).

Food isn't that good. Wellcum is much better for food and facilities of course, and it's the same for GT Linz. GT Linz LU on the other hand was quite mediocre in comparison. I'd skip GT Linz in the future.

If I compare consistency of the LU to Wellcum, GT is consistent. I was there on Sunday and Monday, and LU was slightly more full on Monday night, go figure. Both night, lots of girls. Wellcum, Tuesday was mediocre, not consistent. LU probably dips in the week.

If you are wondering which club to visit in Austria, GT Vienna would be the choice.

PussyLiccker
07-12-18, 05:27
I'm not a Vienna local, but I visit the city multiple times a month, partially because of the sex scene. Since the lack of reporting didn't really encourage me to try something new, it only made sense to do what feels safest and those places are without a doubt Goldentime and Maxim.

My first visit was to Goldentime the day after I arrived. I had the whole day open, so I wanted to chill in GT for a couple of hours and go for a session or two. The place wasn't particularly crowded and I saw a couple of familiar girls around. One of the familiar faces was Eva who I ended up going to the room with. She didn't seem to remember me, even though I had a session with her previously. Many people (me included) know her as ex FKK Babylon Hamburg and FKK Sharks. She's a tall girl with long black hair, not to be mixed up with the blond haired Bulgarian Eva who also works in GT. Her nose is a bit on the bigger side, but she still looks good. Very polite and calm person. She was well known for her good service; however she was also one of the first who wasn't content with the 60 room even 2 years ago. She didn't really upsell per se, but she elegantly and politely made people go for a full hour and then everything was well. I remember her being very light hearted and sweet, but now I find her to be more serious and less approachable. I guess the long time off that she had away from the business changed it all. Now, she is still good and worth going a full hour for, but she's not the world class anymore as I remember her. Anyway, no reason to complain, I had a great hour with her.

I was thinking about going for another session with Cataleya who was recommended by a local guy. I ended up not going to the room with her, because she only wanted to do the premium and it kinda annoyed me too much at that point. This could have been a spectacular night, but the attitude of the girls feels rather different nowadays. But let's say on a slow day, attitude of the girls may be WORSE than on better days. Anyways, that day I ended up only going for Eva and nobody else in Goldentime, but I feel like it was a good day overall.I recall Eva from the earliest days in Germany at FKK Mainhattan. I was so mesmerized by her looks. Probably the first Ro I thought was truely hot, and she was quite young back then with very athletic body, fit with perfect see-cups tits. Still looks good.

Can you please describe Cataleya? I went with a Cataleya back in Nov /16, and wow, just my type with top service. I liked her so much. I wonder if it's the same one. She was very slim on top of her body with good sized and shaped butt, and the face... Very pretty!

Wonder if it's the same Cataleya?

Massimo Potente
07-12-18, 08:59
Can you please describe Cataleya? I went with a Cataleya back in Nov /16, and wow, just my type with top service....... .......
Wonder if it's the same Cataleya?There is really only one Cataleya so there isn't a doubt that you are talking about the same person. Zorp001 will most certainly confirm. Describing Cataleya. She is a slim, tall brunette with a very friendly attitude once you talk to her. From a distance she seems a bit unapproachable but she really isn't. She is really a sweetheart but I would bet she is doing the premium now almost always unless you bargain hard! Or maybe not that hard because she is a soft person, I guess. For locals she is one of the more popular girls. She always sits on the table at the corner where the inside saunas are. In her beginner days at GT she was easily identifiable because of the huge necklaces she always wore. She is a super solid provider but only a human being. Hence, there have reports, even among the regular locals, that she is upselling to some and not upselling to the others.

PepeNder
07-12-18, 09:23
Returned Tuesday, wanting a repeat. Found Sonia, said I want a good time, would upgrade to kissing, CIM. Started off great, then at half an hour I said I would extend to an hour. "Well that will be the 60 half hour more, plus 40 more for uncovered BJ, plus the previous half hour, 60, plus the promised CIM 60. Plus the 30 kissing. I was like what, extra 40 after paying for CIM and Kiss, plus an hour, plus loyal customer from before. She wouldn't budge, I reluctantly said OK, though I shouldn't have, 10 minutes to now mediocre BJ as I'd lost the hardness / passion, CIM.I'm glad that I chose Maxim after reading the reports you guys left about Goldentime. Are the girls there really doing this regularly? Agreeing on a certain set of services for a fixed price, only to forget about the deal in the room. I understand that they want to make all the money, but isn't this tactic counterproductive? I mean, who would repeat a girl with an attitude like this?

In Maxim, I paid at the bar before the session and there was no talk about money or services in the room whatsoever. I feel like this privilege and peace of mind is worth the extra I paid.

PussyLiccker
07-12-18, 11:41
There is really only one Cataleya so there isn't a doubt that you are talking about the same person. Zorp001 will most certainly confirm. Describing Cataleya. She is a slim, tall brunette with a very friendly attitude once you talk to her. From a distance she seems a bit unapproachable but she really isn't. She is really a sweetheart but I would bet she is doing the premium now almost always unless you bargain hard! Or maybe not that hard because she is a soft person, I guess. For locals she is one of the more popular girls. She always sits on the table at the corner where the inside saunas are. In her beginner days at GT she was easily identifiable because of the huge necklaces she always wore. She is a super solid provider but only a human being. Hence, there have reports, even among the regular locals, that she is upselling to some and not upselling to the others.That's the one. Thanks for confirming. Perhaps she works limited days of the week as I didn't run into her on Sun or Mon (Jul 1st and 2nd). Or perhaps out during the time. You think she will be available in mid Oct?

I got upsold by her when I met her on her first week at GT Vienna! I guess she doesn't budge, as she will provide top service for the price. It's just odd since she's such a sweety when you talk to her. She's probably a top girl out of anywhere. She fits what I look for in looks, feel, and demeaner.

Are there reports about her out there?

Massimo Potente
07-12-18, 12:45
That's the one. Thanks for confirming. Perhaps she works limited days of the week as I didn't run into her on Sun or Mon (Jul 1st and 2nd). Or perhaps out during the time. You think she will be available in mid Oct?

I got upsold by her when I met her on her first week at GT Vienna! I guess she doesn't budge, as she will provide top service for the price. It's just odd since she's such a sweety when you talk to her. She's probably a top girl out of anywhere. She fits what I look for in looks, feel, and demeaner.

Are there reports about her out there?Locals are crazy for her if not upsold. I know that it happened still on rare occasions so is making a difference between some of the clients obviously. I believe she never or almost never works on Sunday and Monday. Generally it is hard to predict her availability, I find.

PussyLiccker
07-12-18, 14:54
Locals are crazy for her if not upsold. I know that it happened still on rare occasions so is making a difference between some of the clients obviously. I believe she never or almost never works on Sunday and Monday. Generally it is hard to predict her availability, I find.I can certainly understand since I'm crazy over her as well even in a single club that I usually don't attend. She really left a mark with her beauty and service. She had a huge weight on my visit that I would be happy if I got 5 bad sessions and with only one good session from her. She was actually my first pick after a long wait. When she popped up, pretty much made my decision.

From what I recall she was 19 then, and almost been 2 years. I wonder if she looks more womanly now. You said she is tall, but my memory of her was not perhaps due to her being so young.

Anyway, thank you for the update.

PussyLiccker
07-12-18, 17:19
I think in regards to upsells or not with locals, perhaps she knows which one generally spends as much as she is looking for, and the other locals she may not know about or opts for 30 min, 60 Euro sessions. Based on this, she probably determines which one to upsell. For those guys that got no upsell, anybody that only does 30min, 60 Euro rooms? I'm thinking not.


From what I recall, she wanted 1 HR time, and for what she provides, it was well worth it.

What forum does the locals post in?

Massimo Potente
07-12-18, 17:33
I think in regards to upsells or not with locals, perhaps she knows which one generally spends as much as she is looking for, and the other locals she may not know about or opts for 30 min, 60 Euro sessions. Based on this, she probably determines which one to upsell. For those guys that got no upsell, anybody that only does 30min, 60 Euro rooms? I'm thinking not.


From what I recall, she wanted 1 HR time, and for what she provides, it was well worth it.

What forum does the locals post in?Locals post in the Austrian Erotikforum. But it is hard to read mostly because people are more arguing than providing value and the most important points they are often making are proper spelling, and how to get AO and how much the girls earn and other irrelevant nothingness. And if they really want to heckle a newbie they will refer to "THE LIST" - something that has been a running gag ever since the forum launch around 15 years ago.

As far as Cataleya is concerned I hear you and I can relate to all you say. But I wouldn't want people to expect the holy grail of GFE. She is not going to be the same with anybody always and it depends on factors like mood, etc. And sometimes also on who she likes and who she doesn't. But definitely recommended also now in her 20's. I know she had a birthday not too long ago.

MonSooner
07-12-18, 21:31
And if they really want to heckle a newbie they will refer to "The list" The list, the Infamous list, of course!

They'll tease anyone who asks dumb questions.

Zorp 001
07-13-18, 14:39
I talked to a girl who is new in GT and formerly worked all over Vienna but mostly in Maxim and FP and Babylon Klagenfurt some time ago and she was hilarious in the room when she acted out to me how it goes with the premium negotiatons once you are alreacy captivated in the room and your both nakednesses are playing tricks on your brain. It was a very divided crowd, I felt. Myself and aparently most other regular locals were obvioulsy having great fun, others seem to were very vocal in ranting about how terrible service has become (for 60). It is all a very strange trend and I still blame the German law for it. It's no coincidence that the premium came to life almost exactly in the middle of last year when it got into effect in Germany in June or July 2017.The premium in GT is becoming a huge annoyance. I don't consider myself a pro when it comes to paying for sex, and the premium for sure doesn't help. You can see the girl's mood change as soon as you say you just want the regular service. I also firmly believe that the German laws and the premium in GT are linked somehow. Ever since this was introduced, I have way less fun in Goldentime in general, mostly because of the mindset that the girls have.


Can you please describe Cataleya? I went with a Cataleya back in Nov /16, and wow, just my type with top service. I liked her so much. I wonder if it's the same one. She was very slim on top of her body with good sized and shaped butt, and the face... Very pretty!

Wonder if it's the same Cataleya?Yes, she must be the same Cataleya I saw in the club. I haven't been with her yet, but I might choose her next time if I can convince her to drop the premium crap.

Smoke Light
07-13-18, 20:30
I'm glad that I chose Maxim after reading the reports you guys left about Goldentime. Are the girls there really doing this regularly? Agreeing on a certain set of services for a fixed price, only to forget about the deal in the room. I understand that they want to make all the money, but isn't this tactic counterproductive? I mean, who would repeat a girl with an attitude like this?

In Maxim, I paid at the bar before the session and there was no talk about money or services in the room whatsoever. I feel like this privilege and peace of mind is worth the extra I paid.Could anyone explain Maxim pay system? My understanding is no entry fee and service price discussed directly with the girl? Is there a standard price structure? Do you pay the bar before the room? And how much? Are you obligated to buy a drink?

Thanks!

Massimo Potente
07-14-18, 09:49
Could anyone explain Maxim pay system? My understanding is no entry fee and service price discussed directly with the girl? Is there a standard price structure? Do you pay the bar before the room? And how much? Are you obligated to buy a drink?

Thanks!No entry fee.

Standard price is 200 EURO for an hour and 150 for half an hour. 250 an hour if you take the girl to the hotel from there.

We pay at the bar before going to the room.

No obligation to by a drink for the lady but an obligation to drink something yourself if you are not going to the room immediately. It's a bar, so people usually drink something (or a lot) before they go to the room.

The Cane
07-14-18, 11:07
No entry fee.

Standard price is 200 EURO for an hour and 150 for half an hour. 250 an hour if you take the girl to the hotel from there.

We pay at the bar before going to the room.

No obligation to by a drink for the lady but an obligation to drink something yourself if you are not going to the room immediately. It's a bar, so people usually drink something (or a lot) before they go to the room.And I assume premium fees of 120 euros and 60 euros for anal and BBBJ / CIM respectively?

Smoke Light
07-14-18, 12:15
No entry fee.

Standard price is 200 EURO for an hour and 150 for half an hour. 250 an hour if you take the girl to the hotel from there.

We pay at the bar before going to the room.

No obligation to by a drink for the lady but an obligation to drink something yourself if you are not going to the room immediately. It's a bar, so people usually drink something (or a lot) before they go to the room.MP,

Thanks again. A 150 euro option looks nice. One more question. Is time extension possible in Maxim like in FKK club or do you have to come out of the room?

The Cane
07-14-18, 14:03
No entry fee.

Standard price is 200 EURO for an hour and 150 for half an hour. 250 an hour if you take the girl to the hotel from there.And I assume premiums of 120 euros and 60 euros for anal and BBBJ / CIM respectively (assuming the girl does that)?

PussyLiccker
07-14-18, 16:24
I recall my visit couple years ago. Finding paring was a biatch in the city. I got in, and it was like so. A hole in the wall joint morr like a bar in the city. You wouldn't call this Maxim a club, it's small with some couches. Girls took turns to sit with me one by one. They all wore something like dress and crap. Silouette wasn't slim, but a bit voluptous or chunky in another one's perspective. Thick is the way I describe compared to GT LU of lots of naked chicks.

I was surprised it was free to walk in, but there was a catch, 200 Euros for HR. Didn't know 150 for half HR.

For the economics of things. If you are looking to do several girls, GT is the better value and selection is greater and better. If you happen to be in the city, and knock out one, I guess Maxim is not more expensive if you consider GT entry of 90 and 60 per half HR. From 2nd session onwards GT becomes the value.

You get food at GT, and the sauna ammenities. I really can't see how Maxim is worth visiting unless you need to see what girls are there to fuck beyond GT. FP would be my 2nd pick. Maxim I'd skip, doesn't seem worth it at all.

I just walked out, place was a waste of time IMO.

MonSooner
07-14-18, 18:04
FP would be my 2nd pick. Maxim I'd skip, doesn't seem worth it at all.

I just walked out, place was a waste of time IMO.Very subjective. With so many people having had great experiences there, I guess a grain of salt is in order.

Massimo Potente
07-15-18, 09:00
Very subjective. With so many people having had great experiences there, I guess a grain of salt is in order.Everything is subjective and debatable. Of course, also in my opinion, this assessment is very unfair and wrong but maybe it was in a very weak day or some of the best girls were busy and therefore not visible. I don't know what that means - "A hole in the wall joint morr like a bar in the city. " but this won't spoil my fun of my future visits there as I have never wasted my time there EVER. I use my time well when I am there.

Generally speaking, people who travel between FKKs in Europe rarely see the beauty and appeal that is hidden in a sexbar when the drinks are starting to have their wanted effect and the dynamic that you want starts. Therefore FKK afficionados are better off in Saunaclubs for sure. Not even necessary to do the detour IMHO.

Massimo Potente
07-15-18, 15:05
And I assume premiums of 120 euros and 60 euros for anal and BBBJ / CIM respectively (assuming the girl does that)?No "premium" for BBBJ. If a girl tries that, you can tell the receptionist or waiter who are there to take notes and get rid of this behaviour.

Smoke Light

I guess the girl will get down to report about the extension of the time.

Sirioja
07-15-18, 15:42
No entry fee.

Standard price is 200 EURO for an hour and 150 for half an hour. 250 an hour if you take the girl to the hotel from there.

We pay at the bar before going to the room.

No obligation to by a drink for the lady but an obligation to drink something yourself if you are not going to the room immediately. It's a bar, so people usually drink something (or a lot) before they go to the room.But if you try a girl on first time, how can you pay before if you don't know how long you want to stay with her?

I never paid before at Wellcum, or Andiamo, or Switzerland, or NL, or DE.

Massimo Potente
07-15-18, 21:32
I never paid before at Wellcum, or Andiamo, or Switzerland, or NL, or DE.This almost is unique to FKKs that you pay afterwards. In any other system or club all over the world you pay generally before and decide how long you want to stay before. You can always extend so it is not a logistical problem.

Since this topic came up, funny story (not for the girls) happened yesterday at GT. A guy paid 2 ladies close to 300 for their session which, as far as I heard, was some kind of trio action and after they still demanded more he called the police and hardly anyone could stop him. Management had a very hard time getting this under control. I am sure he wished he had paid before rather than being confronted with additional charges that he didn't expect or wanted. People said he was Russian, so better not screw with them. LOL