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Gomaguy
06-14-02, 19:53
Marina is an excellent contact for a girl in Minsk. I contacted her and she offered a choice of some 6 girls. All very attractive. Price was $150 for the night. I chose Julia. She was a true GFE!!! Well worth the money spent! These girls act as escorts and companions as well as other things. I highly recomend this service. Marina's email address is: marmar2002@mailru.com

Johan007
07-13-02, 19:52
150 US for the night????

I think you have been taken for a RIDE buddy!!!!!NO belarus woman is worth that!!!
A normal skilled worker in Belarus gets paid about US $ 60-80 a MONTH!!!!! That's something to think about here.

please do NOT overpay these women.

a 60-80 bucks is ENOUGH for all night....remember there are pretty women EVERYWERE in belarus...!!!
Americans/europeans easely get impressed with the outside of the pretty russian ladies. Keep in mind...RUSSIAN women are FAR MORE pretty then western girls...so iow in Russia they are just AVERAGE looking!!!;-)

Johan.

Il Cobra
08-03-02, 08:43
To Johan... or other people:
do you have uptodate informations about cheap services in Belarus? I dont like models, escorts and so on...

Josip
08-10-02, 22:57
Don't you get it ? Gomaguy IS Marina ! Don't be gullible !

Jetlagged
05-06-03, 10:17
Going to Minsk next week. Anybody got any current information about clubs, rates, lobby girls etc ?

MarkABC
06-25-03, 20:31
Jetlagged - Have you been in Minsk ? How was the scene ? Did you found WG in hotel lobby or disco ? Some private flats/in calls, sex/night clubs or escort services ?

Jetlagged
06-27-03, 10:29
Mark, yes I spent a few nights there. Can not remember name of hotel, a soviet 4 star - all the same anyway. Typical EE hotel, no visitors in room after 10, unless they are "official" hotel girls. Bar filled up with girls after 10. They will not approach you, just sit at tables alone or in pairs and you join them. Most had good English and were beautiful. Rate was $120 for a couple of hours.
Went to strip club "Laguna" one night. Taxi drivers have enough English to understand what you want. Even when dropped at building it was difficult to find the club. All buildings are big apartment or tower blocks. Club was on 3rd floor. Good show style stripping and dancing. All girls give $1 teaser dances at table but private dance was offered at $40. Typical once they know you are foreign.Eventually agreed 2 girl private dance for $40.Dear but worth it. They covered each other in chocolate and cream and we all licked it off, took about 15 minutes. More a laugh than a sex thing. Another night taxi brought me to a brother/club. About 20 girls, 4 clients. Great crack, drinks (incl girls) $2 and $30 and hour for sex. Great girls, great sex, great fun. Again, most had some English.
City was amazingly clean, totally safe and everyone interested once they know you are foreign. Many girls hanging around Victory square and nearby parks during afternoon and evening. If you put the time in then girlfriend or semi pro fun would be easy.
City is classic example of old style communism, clean, safe and dull.

Getopardo
06-27-03, 15:57
Hello Jetlagged

I have read your report with attention : it is very interesting.

Have you been to other, smaller towns in Belarus ? Minsk in itself presents little interest, and I would like to visit towns like Brest, Gomel, Vitebsk, etc

Thanks again anyway.

Jetlagged
06-30-03, 10:16
Only other town I know is Mogilev, about 1m people, like Minsk but smaller and duller. However, many strip clubs and brothels. Have a friend who spends a lot of time in Brest which is more like a Polish city, some bit of character. Again many clubs. I travel extensively in EE and always rely on the taxi drivers. Look for one in late 20's or 30's as this age group tends to know the local hot spots, will have some basic English and will be more tourist friendly. If you get to any other Belarus cities, please report. It is a very interesting country but little information about.

MoneyTree
08-14-03, 10:47
Looking for local help

I will be making a big tour around Eastern Europe

planning to stay in any other town that might be worth a visit. I am looking to get in touch with some locals who can also speak English or German, who have good communicative skills trying to make some money or find a new well paid job. Please get in touch with me or perhaps you can give me a referal of someone trustworthy who might be able to help me out in some of those towns finding some young girls, uni students, semi pros etc,
puxilove@hotmail.com

Getopardo
10-02-03, 14:48
Hello Jetlagged,

Thanks for your answer. Unfortunately, I have had no time to leave Paris. I'll report when the opportunity arises. Surprising, isn't it, that so few people are interested in Belarus (no post since late August).

Zac Metim
10-18-03, 11:53
Hi Guys, let's see if anybody can give me a piece of info.

I am trying to organize a week-end for myself, not in Belarus but somewhere warmer. However, having seen that girls from this former Soviet Republic come as beautiful as they have them in Moscow, but much cheaper, I toured the internet and got into a promising site, www.girlsforlove.com. They have a certain Tanya, almost exactly the type of chick I was thinking about, at 1000 Euro for 4 days(shipping excluded). It's a bit of money, but I may not mind if the lady and the agency are trustworthy. So, did any of you heard about girlsforlove.com before? Give me a review!

Thanks dudes,

Zac.

Worldtrav0099
10-20-03, 05:30
Zac:

Diana looks a lot like Christine Young who is a porn star out of Montreal.

www.christineyoung.com

Are these guys legit? You decide.

Jetlagged
10-20-03, 10:50
Zac, can not comment about the agency but some of the pictures are of well known Hungarian porn actresses who most certainly do not escort at this kind of money.

Frog
10-28-03, 21:26
Jetlagged: Did you try www.girlsforlove.com lately? Try to win the game and then tell us more...

Jetlagged
10-29-03, 17:16
FROG, I have never used any agency in Belarus but have looked at the girlsoflove site. At least 2 of the girls pictured at top Hungarian porn stars and well known glamour models. You can be certain that they are not working out of Minsk and would not get out of bed for the rates on this site. The photos are obvious fakes taken from porn sites. When in Minsk just ask any taxi driver to take you to clubs or brothels. You can pick up girls very cheaply in any hotel or around Victory Square at any time of day.

Vegamars
10-29-03, 20:30
I've won the game at www.girlsforlovecome.com a long time ago and guess what, nothing to follow up of course and a buch of delays! The site is a complete rip off for sure and the girls there don't reflect the real Belarussian beauty with unreliable rates.
If you wanna try out escort agencies, www.russiansweeties.com
and www.erclub1.homestead.com are the best two for about $300-350 for the night! You can meet many girls at hotel bars for cheaper prices,but the real beauties are out there on the streets and at casinos,cafes and bars! There are not so many foreigners visiting Minsk and the women consitute about 55-60% of the population just like Ukraine. The astonishing thing is that the proportion of the model-type girls in Minsk is unbelievable and much higher than anywhere else on the planet, just like the situation in Kiev and Kishinev!

TheKnight
11-06-03, 15:03
Hi guys,

I have had a genuine booking with an escort from a Minsk agency. The girl travelled abroad to see me. Cost was EUR 1100 for 2 nights in Western Europe. I paid 350 EUR up front for ticket, and only had the word of an acquaintance that I wasn't going to be scammed.

However, it all worked out well in the end. The girl spoke good English, and was nice, though a little reserved in-between the sheets!

Here's the web address.

http://www.ff-femme.com/gallery.htm

Ortos
11-06-03, 22:27
knight,

After looking at the ff-femme site, I wonder if you could tell us which of the girls featured on the site you met for you two-day stint? What was her name and how did the over all thing go? Would you do it again? Was it value for money?

Thanks

TheKnight
11-07-03, 12:19
Ortos, the 'femme fatale' was probably just about value for money - certainly was compared to booking an overnight where I saw the girl. If I had been in any former Eastern Bloc country then no, but in Western Europe yes.

I have sent more details to Ortos in a PM.

Rodik
12-02-03, 21:59
Has somebody informations about Brest? How is it with working girls. I know that in Minsk there a lot of hookers and it is cheap there, but I will maybe travel only to Brest. As Brest is near to Poland, is it may be more expensive (girls) than Minsk?

I'll be vary thankful for every information, address, prices, and so on.

Thanks

Frog
01-25-04, 22:47
- www.girlsforlove.com
-> completely ripoff, seemed as they only wanted to get some money for "traveling" haha, but now offline. The eMail-adress still exists but no more answer (after "winning the game" in December).
- oksana (www.loveforsale.org/prettyoksana , http://www.escort.sexcia.com/post php?id=180 )
First it seemed to be o.k. After i tried to fix a date but refused to send the money to an account in Riga and book a ticket for her myself the contact was broken <prettyoksana@hotmail.com>... Don't know what has happened...

Have been to Minsk in January and it was very easy to find some hookers in the bars of Planeta or Belarus. Westworld dancing is quite good for finding some girls. They'll ask for 100 USD /hr but this is negotiable...

btw: the hotel "security" was asking for USD 25(!!) per girl to get her upstairs, even when booked a double room/double occupancy. Better look for an appartement.
Price for Visa: 110 EUR for Embassy, 60(!) EUR for the hotel ("Letter of invitation", voucher). Read about that since January first the LOI isn't necessary anymore, only the voucher?!

If you arrive by plane, take a taxi and have him running the meter; it's about 28000 BYR (~11 EUR) to get downtown, not 30 USD (~ 25 EUR). Be aware they try!

MarkABC
02-07-04, 12:55
After more than 100 trips to Central & Eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Montenegro, Poland, Russia, Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic... I have of course some favorites that I enjoy to visit again and again for the hobby... ( i.e. Prague, Bratislava, Kiev, Tallin and Riga ) but I'm still adventurous and I'm still interested to discover something new...

Last few days I checked the web regardings Minsk and Belorussia but unfortunatelly I didn't find a lot of informations... Anybody there recently ? How is the market in Minsk ( hotel lobby girls like in Moscow ? escort agencies like in Budapest ? night clubs in Prague and Bratislava ? private flats like in Prague and Warsaw ? amateurs/semi-pro's in discos and/or bars like the River Palace/Mikado/Chesterfield ? ) What about the girl's look and attitude ? What about the service provided ? What about the rates ?

Thanks for your help guys!

GabrielPontello
02-09-04, 12:05
never been there but have had very interesting reports from a friend of mine that travels to Minsk quite often
the quality is high but it takes time to hook up and score, as ever
it's a place for whom like to get non pros' more than a easy shot

Waylander64
02-19-04, 12:47
Hello gentlemen!

I have been in Minsk one year ago, but for other reasons, so I do not know much more in Minsk than the german embassy, a Metro station to which a McDonald is next and the airport.

I have read all your reports and it seems to me that there is a little bit of fake business, a little bit of high-class-expensive and international escort and a bit of dicso / club scene with pros or semi-pros. Not really much of a clear schedule.

Does anyone know of any newspaper in which girls put their ads - are there any reliable websites (no fake photos or "you won the competition" - bullshit). Any halfway decent source of information.

I appreciate any help or further information. I have to say that I understand only a couple of words russian and am definitely not able to lead any kind of conversation in this language.

It's quite likely that I might return there this year, soon as the weather has changed to the warmer end of spring. Thank you!

Waylander

Vegamars
02-19-04, 22:19
Belarus is one of the last castles of communism,almost everything including sex business is under government control which is indirectly connected to Russia,so the situation is worse than Moldova with a high inflation rate and decreasing wages as low as $40/month for good jobs.
It was quite striking to see one of my business partners using a parliament member as a translator for $5 for the day!
Of course the most interesting thing is the unbelievable number and proportion of beauties on the streets.Actually you can see them everywhere and I guess the most beautiful waitresses in the world are just over there.
The main action is in hotel bars and casinos.The best hotel is Planeta and you can see all types of girls in the lobby after 10p.m and in the bar upstairs after midnight.
As always I preferred to hang in the casino and figured out that there were quite a number of regular girls visiting from outside the hotel.It was enough to sit for 15 minutes before a stunning girl approached and started to talk in perfect English.I assume it was enough to look like a stranger since foreigners are still uncommon there.
There are reliable upscale services like russian-sweeties.com and erclub1.homestead.com,but both are quite reluctant to serve in Minsk and Belarus.

Gaetan
02-21-04, 09:48
Hi everyone,

I will be in Minsk soon. It will be my first time. I am more into amateur girls. What you suggest me: Discos? Which one? I heard of Paradise? I am of indian origin, would it be some kind of problem?

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Traveller22
02-22-04, 17:43
Hello Gaetan,

I have been living one year in Minsk and 6 months in St-Petersburg. I can tell you without any doubt : to my point of you and experience Minsk is far much better than Petersburg at all levels.

The weather is much better, the people are much nicer, the city is much more clean, and last but not least the girls are MUCH more beautiful. I would add that they are by far much cooler too than their russian counterparts. Of course I am talking about regular girls. In petersburg I had no other choices than calling the Pros ( awful experiences by the way). In Minsk I never had to do this because it's completely unnecessary. There are so many wonderful and beautiful girls available. You just have to act like a gentleman and respect them.

There are many discos but I am not a fan of it. I heard of Alcatraz in the center as the bet in town now.

As for racism I am french but half arab by my father (I look like an arab even if i don't speak even a word of arabic). I had problems in Russia because of that but never ever in Minsk. Just be open, nice and I bet you that you won't have any problems whatever the color of you skin is.

Really if I could find another professionnal opportunity to come back to this wonderful country I would take the first plane.

BigthDikth
02-26-04, 18:05
Hello Traveller22 I am interested in Minsk If you could answer a few questions it would be great. 1. What does it cost to live there in a nice flat in the city center and if you cook your own meals? 2. What does it cost to eat out? 3. How would I get by speaking only English? Thanks...

Traveller22
02-27-04, 19:16
BigthDikth, I paid exactly 220 dollars for a nice 2 rooms flat in the center but it was almost 2 years ago. I found it thanks to a french collegue so if you don't have any acquaintances in Minsk it may be a problem.

The restaurants are too expensive for the region to my point of you. There are very few western type so not enough competition. However I think that the service is good as a rule and the waitress are often amazingly beautiful!

As for english very few people speak even basic english but I think it can be a big advantage with girls. Of course not all of them but those who are interested by foreigners ( it means the big majority of students), especially from western countries like you I guess.

I hope it will help you.

Traveller22
02-27-04, 19:19
BigthDikth,

I forgot to specify that you should paid between 15 and 20 dollars for an average meal in a good restaurant.

MagicTouch
03-01-04, 15:38
Being accomodated at Belarus Hotel on a Thursday night, I spent a couple of hours in the West Club nearby, this is a complex with restaurant, casino and discotheque located just in front of the hotel. The disco is pretty large (larger than Alcatraz I was said) and full of all kind of girls, ranging from pro's and semi-pro's to ordinary students. The level is high or very high, lot of cuties to choose among, although the average age of ordinary girls may be surprisingly low ... I picked a cute blonde that was standing at the bar with a friend (that is common, non-pro girls are normally in small groups with other girls or in larger groups with other girls and boys as well), she turned out to be as old as ... 18 (!), which tasted something unusual to my ripe 39 years ... unusual but not unpleasant, so I decided to get rid of the other girl by paying her the taxi home (what she accepted) and spent the following couple of hours flirting like a teen ager with my young fresh babe. When it was late enough, she accepted to join me to my hotel room, but the security at this Belarus Hotel was very unfriendly, they demanded her to register at the reception and for this purpose her passport was necessary, which she did not have at hand, this cooled her down and I decided it was more elegant not to insist. It ended up with her giving me her mobile number and with me paying another taxi ...
Not too big a pity, I will be travelling to Minsk again within 2 weeks. But this West Club is definitely a good place to visit, some girls were really worth a closer investigation. Entrance fee to the disco 7,000 Bielorussian Rubles, approx. 3 Euros, drinks price 4-10 Euros, although the chance is given to go for expensive deals like bottle of champagne or cognac for 150 Euros ...

Gaetan
03-17-04, 15:50
Hello,

I am in Minsk. I am looking for the newspaper iv-ruk-V, can someone help me where to find ? I understand, this is the newspaper where there are the ads of the working private girl.

I look in many newspaper shops, but no one understand.

Please help.

Gomaguy
03-22-04, 05:27
The newspaper is called Iz-ruk-v-ruki. It's available at most kiosks. It's also online at

http://www.win.izrukvruki.ru/db/topic.htms?UID=guest&SID=104082&TST=MIN&START=811&END=812&QTOP=801&RUB=812

Look for "Ba." Most girls will expect you to come to them. Normally there are more than one girl at the place. Average going rate is $25 per hour.

Gaetan
03-22-04, 14:04
MagicTouch and me joined in Minsk and had a wonderful time.

We visited Max Show disco club and Madison disco club. Both nights we both came back to hotels accompanied. It is very easy to approach normal girls, just be a gentleman. I met a lot of cuties during my four day visit overthere, no need to go for working girls, better to spend your money for a dinner in a nice restaurant with a cutie.

Frog
04-01-04, 16:30
MagicTouch:
my experiences at the BELARUS Hotel in January were that it's only a matter of money: USD 30 !!!! for EACH Girl you want to take upstairs. So better have her visiting you in the afternoon (if necessary with a visitor-registration, worked without passport) and go upstairs in the restaurant, then go straight to your room. (The clerk in the floor didn't mention).

Carlos Spain
05-07-04, 22:49
Which is the rate for the girl's whole night in the hotel?

Can you negotiate with the girl that accompanies you the whole day to carry out visits for the city?

How is the atmosphere in the street of small of company?

Gomaguy
05-08-04, 07:17
Just visited a girl I found on a local site:

http://www.minskgirls.net/index.php

The girls name was dasha. Her phone number is 8-0296-51-01-18 . She works with her friend Kristina. Very comfortable apartment, located near the center of town. They both greeted me wearing very sexy and revealing negligees and nothing else! Both are in their early twenties and both are attractive. Price was $30 per hour per girl. I opted for both at the same time. First was the shower, which is typical. But with a twist! Kristina followed me to the bathroom and proceeded to wash me herself! Then we went to the bedroom where Dasha was waiting. They both then gave me a full. Then straight sex. After all was done, I showered again, but this time Dasha joined me! Things got hot again and she finished me in the shower! They also offer toys, role games and light BSM. Very much worth the money!

I've noticed in the past several months that streetwalker activity has disappeared from the main roads in town, mainly Mashereva and Skariny. on Skariny between victory square and the circus, you can sometimes find girls late at night, but they are hit and miss. The main sources seem to be either a newspaper called iz ruk v ruki (also available online at www.izrukvruki.ru) or one of two sites. The one that I mentioned above, wich has pictures of the girls (but only offers about 20 girls) or http://intimby.net. This site offers ads. Some have pictures some only have phone numbers.

The newspaper (or site) iz ruk v ruki offers ads hidden under the section titled "acquaintance" (). Although the ads are supposedly offered as romance contacts, if they offer a phone number, then it is for a working girl. You call and agree on a time and price and service. You then go to her apartment and take care of buisiness. There are plenty of ads in this section. The drawbacks are that you don't have pictures and don't know what the girl looks like before you show. This is hit and miss. A lot of times they are just university girls trying to make a few dollars. If you treat them well then they often will offer you true GFE. Sometimes it's just in and out, get the job done. Prices normally start at $25 per hour. None of these sites are in English.

Discos and hotels also offer girls, but most of the time the prices are too high. Most will start at $150 per hour. This is too much. some high-class escort agencies in Minsk can offer top model girls for $100-$150 per night! The girls at the discos and hotels may negotiate if it is a slow night, but most will not offer true GFE.

Meeting normal girls is harder, especially if you don't speak Russian, but more and more university girls are learning English. You won't meet these girls at the discos as most cannot afford to go. These girls you meet either through friends, walking in the park, or in a store. Walking up to a girl and starting a converstation is perfectly acceptable. And Belarusian girls are wonderful companions!

Carlos Spain
05-09-04, 01:17
Can you recommend me a hotel guest friendly?

If you contact down the street with a girl, is it normal to spend the night in the hotel?

Do you know some freelancers disco?

What is there in Minsk to visit?

I want to go next August to Minsk and Brest

You can a web translator rus/english?

A greeting

Member #1688
05-09-04, 23:54
Hey Gomaguy,

That is some of the best info I have read regarding Minsk thus far. Thanks for sharing. I plan on visiting Minsk in August, and I will likely file a report on my experiences here.

I am curious. Do you speak Russian, Gomaguy? If not, how difficult was it when phoning girls from there newspaper ads? Was it confusing finding apartment locations?

Gaetan
05-10-04, 04:53
Hello,

I was in minsk in March, but could not fond any escort service number, can you help ? I will be back in July.

Gomaguy
05-10-04, 19:45
Carlos,

Most hotels are guest friendly. Often, if you don't bring a girl yourself, you will recieve a phone call. The normal procedure is to deal with either the security guard or the floor monitor, if the hotel has one. I would recomend the hotel Belarus. It's not the best, but it does have a disco attached (Westworld).

If you meet a normal girl on the street, it is not normal to spend the night with her right away. They normally like to be taken to dinner, theater, etc and get to know you before they go to bed with you.

Not much in Minsk to visit and see. It is a nice city and very clean, but not tourist friendly. Brest is better as it has the Brest Fortress. A good web translator can be found here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ or at www.lingvo.ru.

1688,

I do speak Russian. So I had no problems talking to the girls on the phone. Some do speak English. You can probably have someone call for you (a taxi driver). If you have a good city map, the apartments are not hard to find. They normally will tell you to go to a general area and then call after you get there. Then they explain to you exactly how to get to their apartment. Plus a taxi driver can take you exactly where you need to go. Only take a city taxi and make sure they turn on the meter. Remember, it should only cost about 5,000 rubles ($2.00) to get to anywhere from the center of the city.

Carlos Spain
05-11-04, 14:06
Hi,

Thanks by your answer.

In what zones I can find girls (freelancers)?

In what streets and why hour of the day?

A greeting

GandJim
05-21-04, 00:32
Gaetan,

When exactly in July will you be back in Minsk ? I should be there July 1 to 7. We could have a beer or something if you (or anybody else) are there by the same time.

Gaetan
05-21-04, 05:20
Hi,

I will be in Minsk as from July 16. Last march, i met with some friend from wsg also, it was real fun, we had a very good time together.

PM me so that we can arrange ourselves.

Member #2025
05-28-04, 20:23
Hi,

I have some informations about Brest and some question about Minsk. I was in Brest in March for only a couple of days. I was a little bit disappointed because I couldn't pick up a non-pro girl. I was at 2 discos, one called Zio Pepe (italian cuisine) and another called Matrix, the latter is the one that is really in right now in Brest. Matrix was really a nice disco a lot of girls (non-pros) but always in big groups, that is usual in former soviet countries. Well I was dressed casual: no suit, no Rolex watch and no italian shoes, just simple and I think that's one of the main reasons why I could not get a belarus girl.
I walked along the main streets: Masherova, Shevchenko blvd. and Sovietski blvd. and there were some girls walking along or just sitting down but never alone always in groups. I have to say that I speak russian fluently (lived in former USSR in the 70's/80's as student) but this fact did not helped in any way with girls, even I think it was better if I did not speak any russian but only english. I talked to the girls everywhere, in the streets, at the supermarket (there is a big one near hotel Intourist calleg SUM), at the discos, but no way. Of course I began my conversation in russian, some girls were even very rough because they felt disturbed. So I gave up and decided to call a pro. In Brest the thing is in the following way organized: 1. Girls are at the bars in the main hotels (Intourist, Belarus) the price is too high in my opinion: 50$/hour, 100$/all night. Most girls there are not attractive, some of them even ugly and older than 30 but they have the power in those bars and good connections not letting the younger ones working there. 2. Through a taxi driver: most of taxi drivers will call a phone number an up to 4 girls will arrive in a car, so you can choose, if yoou do not like them other girls will be called. These girls are your money worth, the price are 25$/hour or 120$-130$/all night (they need the 20$ or 30$ to pay the doorman while hotel girls only pay 5$). I negociated and payed 100$ for a 20 years old blond called Vicka. Vicka was a 7 and was Ok, talked a lot but did a good job, the only problem with her was that she did not like or did not want cunnilingus. She works for an agency together with other 7 girls. I don't know if they speak english but I guess they will. I was disapointed of this trip because I thought talking russian could be enough to get a girl, now I know that it is not like that.

I was in hotel Intourist, I took a double room (big bed) and payed for it 34 Euros (including breakfast). In this hotel there is a restaurant and a bar (2nd floor) and the main bar (where working girls used to be) is in the main entrance, it is open all day (24 hours).

Questions:

I read a lot of good things about Minsk, and I do not know if it's worth to travel to Minsk in some months. That's why I have some questions, specially to Gaetan: Is it necesary to "dress to impress" (suit and tie, good watch, italian shoes, etc. like a western business man) in Minsk when going to the discos or ist it enough to dress casual?. Is it enough to speak english (as I stated above I do speak russian fluently but it seems it's a barrier) in order to speak with the disco girls?. Which hotels are advisable (Belarus, Planeta) for bringing girls to the rooms without much problems?

If somebody has questions about Brest I'll be ready to share the informations I have.

Gaetan
05-30-04, 09:34
Hello,

I visited some EE countries, Poland, Estonia, Czech republic. Belarus-Minsk is the only country where it did not have to pay one single cent to have a girl. First, I was a little bit "afriad" before heading to Minsk, as I am from indian origin, but I can tell you that it was very positive. Still now, a couple of girls still emailing me and waiting for my next trip in Minsk - probably in July.

Be normal, be nice, dress normal. if you want non-pro, go on www.date.by, and you can have some pre-contact.

For Disco, do not go to West Workd Club, it is for me a waste of time, better to visit Max Show or Madison. Girls are very open. Last time, i had one of the best looking girl in my life in Madison.

PM me for more info.

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Maharadjah
05-30-04, 23:49
Gaetan,

Reading all the posts, i have a few questions:

Some hotels are not girl friendy (as efrog said he had to pay usd 30 at BELARUS Hotel). So is there some appartment to rent ? If yes how much?

WWW.date.by is a russian site. Do you know russian to have some pre-contact?

Some photos will be appreciated (especially with the Madison girl's)

Take care,

MR

Chekist
06-01-04, 19:07
Maharadjah,

The site www.date.by is in Russian because that is the language used most of the time in Belarus, even though there is a Belarussian language. Anyone you meet in any of the big cities will be speaking Russian. Also note that Russian websites end in in "ru" and Belarussian end in "by." So, yes, it is a Belarussian website.

Gomaguy
06-03-04, 13:19
Apartments are available to rent for as little as $100 per month. Understand that if you do rent an apartment you will still have to go and register yourself with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. This is something that is automatically done at hotels.

When staying in hotels, you can normally expect a phone call asking if you would like some "company." You can usually dictate what kind of girl you would like. If you don't like the one that shows up at your room, don't be afraid to send her back and ask for another one.

My experience is that most Belarusian girls do not like to be photographed. This is because most lead a dual-life. Meaning that they are semi-professional and have day-time jobs and lives.

Ravend Chand
06-09-04, 00:21
Gaeten,

I am planning to go to Misnk in late June. Do the girls who email you, do they speak english.

Blonde506
06-22-04, 18:07
Hello everyone,

I am a Chinese student studying in the Netherland, and I am new. In the beginning of July, I am planning to take a trip to Minsk for sexual propurses. I would like to have some detailed information about how to get a holiday Visa to belarus, where can I find cheap flight ticket to minsk and also where can I found nice semi- pro or some student who likes extra cash.

If you have any information about this topic, please give an message, and thank you in advance for your help

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GandJim
06-24-04, 01:26
Blonde506,

In principle, you will need an invitation letter to apply for a tourist visa. If you book a hotel room or an apartment in Belarus, they will provide you with this letter, as well as a voucher. I prefer to stay in apartment, so I don't have to pay bride to hotel security to take a girl home.

You will then need to go to the Belarus embassy to fill in a form and apply for visa. Your passport must be valid at least 3 months beyond intended stay. Cost is about 50-60 euros (delay 1 week). If you're in a hurry, you can get an "express" visa for 100-120 euros (delay 24-48hrs).

You can also use the services of a "visa assistance" agency to do all this for you, there are many on the internet and I'm sure there must be some in the Netherlands. They will do all this for you, for a fee.

I'm not living in the Netherlands, so don't know if there are any low cost airlines from there, but it seems unlikely. I prefer flying "safe" airlines like Lufthansa and, if you book your ticket enough in advance, price is affordable. It costs me about 400-500 euro from Nice (south of France), via Frankfurt. Last minute booking can go easily over 1000 euros. If you fly from a main airport, it should be cheaper.

I'll be in Belarus June 30-July 7 and will be seeing both pros and amateurs, through my local contacts there. If you manage to be there at the same time, we can have a beer and go hunting. ;)

Jim

Sour Honey
06-24-04, 09:15
Hello GandJim!!!!

Blonde, to go off the GandJim beaten track, you can also book a flight via Belavia (www.belavia.by). Is the Belarus flying Company (not too bad, and "safe").

From Amsterdam and Brussels you have fligths via Wien and Warszaw. And moreover, Belavia prepare "dummy" VISAS (with a Hotel voucher you'll never use). In this way, paying $30 more (and less with the flight) you have the touristic VISA for a max lenght of staying of one month, without go to the Embassy, sending passport, do registration in BY, etc.

More, if you want to book a hotel for that time, Belavia do the same with "your" hotel.

Ciao

GandJim
06-24-04, 13:50
Hi SourHoney ;)

Hey, didn't know about this Belavia "dummy" visa stuff. Can you explain more what it's exactly ? I have been to Belavia web site, but found no information there. Do you mean they just send you a visa on a separate piece of paper, and that you don't have to send your passport to Belarus embassy ? And you don't need to register in Belarus ?

Maybe I should reconsider my pre-conceived perception of "safe" airlines.... :D

Jim

Sour Honey
06-25-04, 07:04
Hey Jim,
not exactly, but you're near.

Belavia is a statal Airline, and can (OK,with some tricks) give you a VISA (max 1 month) DIRECTLY in the check-out. You have to ask CLEARLY to the check-in clerk that you asked the VISA (you have to pay directly to them). He/she gives you the "false" voucher, and you can enter the flight. (remember two pictures!)

The thing that "scares" a bit is that you, until your arrive, have NOT the VISA. The office in Minsk (30 mins...) will see the voucher....and put the visa on your passport.
Uh... remember that they do not speak a word of English! But is not a problem anyway.

But is their interest to give it to you.

I did so the last time I went in BY.

You have to add only $30 to the consulate fee.

Remember that not ALL the tourism offices know this thing. Better to search for Belavia "compliant" :-) offices

About registering to the OVIR.... uh ..many people don't do... but you can register to the OVIR in any place you'll stay, despite the "dummy" voucher.

Remember that is MUCH better if you go to the OVIR with ....you know who.....:-) because is the ONLY horrible place in all Belarus!

And, anyway, be prepared to lose from 4 to 8 hours there. (Uh ...and pick ...yes ...another!! a couple of pics of you!!!)

Blonde506
06-26-04, 01:09
Hi everyone,

Thank you very much for answering my question. Indeed, I am also trying to arrange a Visa buy my own. But I think it is far more too costly. Any way, I still trying.

Beside the information of air plane ticket and the visa details, I would also like to have some information about where I can find those Semi-pro or working girl or even some young students, and what is the rates about their services, such as how much should I pay for one hour or one night(including anal).

Thank you again for your attention.

Greets Blonde

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GandJim
07-08-04, 15:00
It seems that more and more people get interested in going to Belarus, so I think some reports from my limited experience can be helpful. I initially asked Jackson to reorganise and add some topics to this section, like "General info", "Minsk", "Other areas" and waited for this to happen before posting, but it seems that he has a lot on his plate so here I go.

I'll start with 3 reports, "General info", "Minsk Girls" and my last trip. Please note that this is based on my limited and subjective experience. I don't speak Russian, so my understanding is certainly incomplete and can be totally wrong. But I do get around and have great fun. :)


MINSK : GENERAL INFO

Minsk is a city almost completely destroyed during WW2. A real shame. It's been rebuilt, has a lot of green spaces (parks), large avenues (main avenue, Frantsisk Skorina, has 8 lanes !!!), and is well spread out. It's very safe. I'm Asian, over 50 yr old and look like the perfect "stupid" tourist, but have no problem hanging out at 2am alone, or going to an apartment in the outer suburbs. Initially, I worried being the only Asian walking in 2km around, holding hands with one (sometimes 2 or 3 ;)) girls half (or even one-third) my age. Not a bad look from anybody, not a comment. Never.

Last Saturday was a big day with parade and everything (60th commemoration: 1944-2004). You would expect to see security forces everywhere, but there was basically none. No fights, no drunk people. No skinheads, no beggars even they are so poor. I was amazed. As I said, totally safe.

City is also very clean. Streets were full of people but, after they went home, no papers, empty bottles, etc.. in the streets.

There are some nice buildings and monuments to be seen, but nothing to really be thrilled about. Nice area to hang around is the park and river near the hotels (Belarus, Planeta, Yubileinaya). City is well spread out though, and things are not in walking distance. You need a car (or a taxi). Even to walk from one hotel to another in center town, you'll need more time than you may think, looking at the map.

I always stay in apartments, not hotels. Rooms are clean, but basic, with furnitures dating from the '50. Don't expect micro-waves and dishwashers. Most buildings do not have an entrance from the main street, but only from the back and it looks like a service delivery entry with a door smaller than the one of your apartment, all dark and tiny staircase. Prepare yourself for a shock here, the first time you come.

So why coming to Belarus ? Girls, girls, girls, as you will see in the next posts. ;)

GandJim
07-08-04, 16:47
MINSK GIRLS

The first thing that will hit you is the amazing number of young and beautiful girls in the streets. Belarussian girls are certainly amongst the most beautiful girls on earth. Different people have different understanding of beauty, so let me try to explain what I like so much in Belarussian girls.

1. Not much sun there, so they all have delightfully white and soft skin. No bikini marks here. I can kiss them for hours and, when I come back kissing a girl here or in the US, I have the impression of kissing sanding paper or buffalo skin.

2. Clear and light coloured blue or green eyes. Just hynoptise me.

3. Slim, flat belly. McDonald disaster has not struck yet.

4. Narrow hips, tiny asses. A dream come true.

5. Tall and slender body

6. Long and straight legs

7. And if you go into details, light pink tits and (other) lips ;).

8. Last, but not least, they are gentle, tender, warm, eager to please. They are real sweethearts and I'm seeing some of them just for the pleasure of their company, not for sex.

70% of the girls in the streets are like that. You'll have hard time finding a fat girl. More than half of them have a beautiful face too. 15%-20% are real stunners. Heaven on earth.

And they are all over the places. If you are young (I mean under say 35 yr old) and decent looking (I say decent, not even nice looking or handsome), you won't even have to pay to have sex. You can approach them and start a conversation, they won't lift their nose up and turn their back to you thinking "I'm a Goddess and unapproachable" like they do here.

Unfortunately for me, I'm over 50 and not decent looking. So I have to pay for sex :(. Just kidding. In fact, I prefer to pay, so there is no misunderstanding when I ask the girl to leave the next morning and not wanting to see her again. If you're like me, here's some help.

In principle, prostitution is illegal in Belarus. Therefore, there are only a few night clubs, where you have strip-tease or lap dancing, but no sex. Escort agencies do not advertise openly on the web; they don't say they are in Belarus and don't give phone number on their site. A few girls advertise on the web, at their own risks. It's mainly a "word-of-mouth" business. In newspaper, there are no photos and girls are just looking for "acquaintances".

So how to get paid sex ? There are in fact many possibilities :

HOTEL GIRLS

If you stay in a hotel and are not accompanied, chances are that you will receive a telephone call asking if you want company. There are also girls staying in the lobby. They speak English. They are however not the most attractive, some look well worn-out, and are expensive. For the sake of research, I asked some girls at hotel Belarus, and they wanted 150 USD overnight, which usually mean until 6-7am. There were 7-8 girls that night, only one doable for me.

DISCO GIRLS

Next to hotel Belarus, there is a disco, WestWorld. It opens as from 8pm, but there in nobody before midnight or even 1am.

Some working girls sitting at the bars there. They speak English. Same price as in the hotel. A real stunner asked me 200 USD overnight, but remember I look like the perfect tourist.

Younger (or more decent looking) guys just have to approach the normal girls there and talk to them. My private guide asked a group of young girls if any of them would be interested in making a few extra bucks with me : 80 to 100 USD overnight, for girls looking twice better than the pros.

In WestWorld, there is a strip club upstairs, called Dolls. To be avoided : small room with lap dancing only. The girls going pole dancing for free in the public area are better than the lap dancing girls in Dolls.

STREET GIRLS

They stay at bus stops, mainly on Masherow Avenue (in particular the stops near hotel Yubileinaya and the Moscow Cinema House) and on Frantsisk Skorina Avenue (in particular the stops in front of the Circus and near Pobedy Square). Usually, there are about 10 girls at these bus stops already by 10pm but, last week, they came out only after midnight and there were only about 5-6 per bus stop. Maybe there is something to do with the 60 year celebration. My guide asked a stunning girl with legs to die for. She asks 40 USD one hour, 100 USD overnight. The other ones must be cheaper. Many of these girls don't speak English.

Another pick up place is the parking space next to Yakub Kolas Square. There you sometimes have one or two mamouchkas. You stop in the parking, she comes to you to tell you the girls she has. if you're interested, she then calls the girl(s) who are hidden somewhere nearby. I went back there last Monday by 11pm, but there were no mamouchkas that night. Don't know if they change places or aren't there yet.

To pick these girls, you just ask a taxi to drive you around and ask the price for you. They all know the places (and certainly places I don't know about).

NEWSPAPER GIRLS

In the local newspaper, you have adds for girls looking for "acquaintances". No photos, and in Russian only. They give some details on them, usually something like "Tatiana, 20/170/58, blonde, bla bla bla, phone number", which means 20 yr old, 170 cm height, 58kg weight. some also add "90/60/90', which are her measurements. By preference, I pick up adds where there are 2 girls.

Indications are usually correct. You have some funny ads like "Olga, 42/164/64". Didn't call her. ;)

They usually do not speak English, so you need to speak Russian fluently (or have somebody calling them for you).

It's hit and miss, as you can't see how they look like. You can hit gold as you can hit shit. My guide called a few for me this time, more in my next report on my trip. Price is 30 USD one hour for most of them.

Some girls will then give you address of her building, but not of her apartment. You need to call her again when you arrive, and she'll give you apartment number and buzz you in, if she hasn't taken another client in the meantime. Remember however that Minsk is well spread out, and it can take you half an hour to get to some outer suburbs.

Some girls can also come to your apartment.

ESCORT GIRLS

There are some escort agencies in Minsk, with high class girls looking like top models and speaking English (or German). Problem is again that it's word-of-mouth and email address, phone number changes. Last Sunday, I was not able to contact any agency (all phones switched off). On Monday, I met with Helena's agency, but too late. She only has 2 girls left. Her price is 250 euros for 5-6 hours. After I'm back, she sent me some photos, and she has real stunners. I also got contact too late with Svetlana's and Eva's agencies, who ask for 200 euros for 6 hours. Girls also speak English. I must organise myself better next time.

They don't want their email/phone on a public forum (see above). Serious members actually going to Minsk can PM me.

STUDENTS, AMATEURS AND SEMI-PROS

As I said, they are all over the places. As far as I am concerned, I tell my private guide in advance when I come, and she asks her friends for me. Again, I hit gold some times, but some times not. I have seen 20 yr old girls who are still unshaved and didn't even have a condom in her bag, I have seen girls who need money but are still hesitating, and renounce at the last minute. But when it works, I know I've been with a girl who has not been fucked by tens, if not hundreds, of other guys. They have no fixed price, but I always pay them the top price asked by the top escort girls. They are not as stunning, but they are more real.


So, in summary, what to go for ? I would usually like to book at least one top level escort girl to be on the safe side for one or 2 nights. Then ? You may try your chances with disco girls some other nights, then maybe street girls, with the risk of going home empty. During the day, you may try an apartment girl in the afternoon, more for the fun of it as I hit shit more than once with this. But the reason for my constant return to Minsk is not the pros, but the students, amateurs and semi-pros. And I give my guide a hard time for this.

Snail
07-08-04, 17:40
Belarus Skinheads Attack Foreign Students, Foreign Students Retaliate

(March 31, 2004)
An "explosive situation" has developed in Belarus as a result of a sharp increase in skinhead attacks against foreign students, which in one case provoked mass retaliation by foreign students, according to a March 26, 2004 article in the countrys leading independent newspaper Belorusskaya Delovaya Gazeta.

The estimated 500 skinheads in Minsk are becoming more aggressive towards foreign students, especially targeting Chinese and Arabs, the article asserts. Fortunately, the paper reports, Minsk authorities are taking the situation seriously; several mass skinhead attacks have already been prevented this year thanks to the quick reaction of the police and KGB. Nevertheless, such attacks still happen.

On February 5, 2004 around 70 skinheads attacked three Chinese students in Minsk, severely injuring them. Police intervened before the neo-Nazi mob made it to a foreign student dormitory for a planned mass attack. Fifteen skinheads were arrested and charged with hooliganism, rather than a hate crime. (Belarus has only once in its entire post-Soviet history convicted suspects of a hate crimein late 2002, four members of the violent neo-Nazi movement RNU were convicted under a hate crimes statute for attacking foreign students in Vitebsk.)

On March 20, 2004 a Chinese student was attacked on Vaneeva St in Minsk; two days later, 15 youths attacked a Jordanian student.

Other skinhead violence took place in Gomyol. On March 21, a Yemeni medical student in that city was seriously injured in a skinhead assault. The next day, around 40 foreign students, some armed with metal pipes, attacked three Slavic youths initially, and two more sometime later. As a result, 18 year old Aleksandr Poplevkin ended up in a comatose state from which he has still not awoken. The newspaper expressed some sympathy for Mr. Poplevkin, and nowhere in the article did it explicitly state whether he is a skinhead or not, or if he was involved in any way with the attack on the Yemeni student. Foreign students so far are refusing to talk to the press about the incident. Local police are investigating the violence and are viewing it not as ethnically motivated, but instead "hooliganism." Nearby residents were quoted in the article saying that they are now afraid of the foreign students. In the wake of the violence in Gomyol, police in Minsk are paying particularly close attention to local skinheads, the paper reports.

GandJim
07-08-04, 18:58
Rastaman,

I agree with you for Moscow. And it's not only the militia. You can also be beaten to dead by the skinheads.

I totally disagree with you for Kiev. I know girls there too. I have felt more reluctance, strange look from older people and agressivity from young guys, sometimes disdain from the girls in the US, France or the UK.

And I'm not talking about working girls, but normal girls. When I go to a pub or disco in Western Europe or the US, and approach a girl to start a conversation, most of them don't even have the courtesy to answer and just turn their back to me, shrugging their shoulders. At best, they ignore me. At worse, they would just laugh at me with their friends. This never happened to me in Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, etc... Maybe I have just been lucky ?

Jim

MarkABC
07-08-04, 19:06
GrandJim :

Great report ! I was already thinking to go Minsk but I finally end up in Kiev, Riga, Tallinn etc... instead of the Belarussian capital. Looks like a big mistake... Belarus is maybe the best kept secret...

I was told that the country was not totally safe for foreigners who can't read, speak and understand russian language...

What about the visa ? Is it easy to get it ? Do you still need to register at the police ( OVIR ) on arrival ? Where did you find your private guide ? Local travel agency or on internet ?

Regards.

GandJim
07-08-04, 19:58
MINSK : MY VISIT JUNE 30-JULY 7

OK, now on to my last visit.

I don't speak (or even read) Russian. :-) So I always use services of a private guide when I want to go to Ukraine, Belarus or Russia.

When I'm in Belarus, I see a girl I know for 1.5 years now. A lovely girl and a very good friend of mine, who acts as my private guide for all my stay. I care for her a lot and enjoy more spending time walking and chatting with her than to have sex with another one. She acted as my private guide on my first visit to Minsk. Initially, she showed me where things like internet cafes are, showed me how to take metro and read the menu in restaurants for me, then where are the places to pick up girls (and go there with me) ;). Maybe I'm stupid, but I still do not manage to sort things out on my own, so I keep asking her to be my guide on each and every day I'm in Minsk. The truth is that I enjoy her company immensely, even if she doesn't want to have sex with me. She however fully understand that "man needs sex, and there is nothing wrong with that". So she also helps me getting in touch with pros and, more important, some friends of hers who occasionally need some money.

Typically, she comes to my apartment by 10-11am, prepares breakfast or lunch, then we go out for the afternoon, sometimes shopping, sometimes visiting places, sometimes walking in the parks and having a drink on a terrasse, sometimes reading newspapers, making phone calls and visiting ... apartment girls. If I have an escort girl for the night, she wait until the girl arrives to be sure she's the right one (never a bait & switch in Minsk so far, touch wood). If not, we go out for dinner, then to disco and sometimes have a ride to look at street girls.

It will be too long writing about everything. Rather than writing about something you may have read a hundred times for other places, here are some unusual experiences which happened to me on this trip.

On Sunday, we decided to try some newspaper girls, and we start calling ads with 2 girls, age 20-22. First call : no answer, second call : Not interested in foreigners, etc... 6th or 7th call : bingo ! Yes, we can come, although there is only one girl working. Which one, I asked ? The blonde one, 21 yr old, 30 USD an hour, 50 USD for anal. OK, let's go !!! We were so frustrated making so many unsuccessful calls that we didn't check one important thing in the ad, which says "Brune (165/50/20) and Blonde (167/65/21)". 65 kg for 167 cm !!! Apartment was in the outer suburbs, it took us almost half an hour to get there. My guide walked up the stairs first and called me "It's OK, Jim, come up !". I went up .... and saw the girl :(. Oh dear .... A dog. I told my guide "Don't think I really like this girl, let's go". She said "Can't do that Jim, I already told her it's OK. If you leave, maybe she will call some body builder downstair to wait for you. Hey ! Are you a gentleman ?". So I went for it.... On our way back, my guide just couldn't stop laughing her asses out in the taxi. She said if only I could see my face when I saw the girl, so she decided to not let me go without fucking the girl. Of course, we could have left immediately without any problem !!!! But we waste so much time she thought she must make something out of it for herself :). "Oh Jim !!!! When my friends will hear me telling them this!!!!" Shit! she must be still laughing right now.

Back home, we tried calling some high level escort agencies. No answer anywhere (I managed to contact them the next days). So we called newspaper girls again. Found a girl "Valeria, Blonde (22/173/52), (90, 60, 90), very charming face, very tender". She says she can come to my apartment for 9pm. 30 USD an hour, 80 USD overnight. OK !!! ... Waited for half an hour, she didn't show up !!! We called her mobile, it doesn't work. We called her home by 10pm, she said she's awfully sorry, but for some reasons her mum couldn't come to take care of her daughter, and she didn't have our phone number to call us back. Shit !!! We then went for street girls.

A few examples to say that newspaper girls can be fun sometimes, but can be also frustrating at others.

The next day, to beg for my pardon, my guide then brought me a friend of hers, an absolutely cute blonde, 21 yr old. Not stunning, but rather the girl next door look. My preferred type of girl. She never worked before, but is desperate for money and is still hesitating. We went out for dinner all 3 of us, and it was fun. However, back in the apartment, she was so frightened and shy, looking down almost with tears in her eyes. I just couldn't fuck her, so told her to sleep in the salon and to keep the money. I told my guide to keep her on the back burner for me, I'll be back !!! Things need patience sometimes.

These are some "bad" things which can happen in Minsk. The good ones ? Don't worry for me, there are plenty of them, but they look like so many other posts on this site that I'll spare you the pain ;). I like this place (and maybe my guide) so much that my next trips to Minsk are already planned : maybe in Sept/Oct, certainly in December again for Xmas. :)

Jim

PS : When I'll manage to resize them, I'll post photos of my guide and her blonde friend. Be patient, I'm nuts with this, and I won't have much time as I'll be travelling a lot again (for business unfortunately, to dead places).

GandJim
07-08-04, 23:30
MarkABC,

Country is totally safe for foreigners. However, if you can't speak and read Russian, it's difficult to get around. You can't read street names, metro stations, restaurant/shop/hotel names (just try to find an internet cafe and you'll see what I mean), not even a menu in a restaurant. That's why I keep my guide with me almost all the time ;). Good excuse :D.

It's easy to get a visa. See my reply to Blonde506 on June 24 below. In principle, you need to register within 3 days after your arrival, if you're not staying at hotels.

My private guide is a personal friend I met in another country before I went to Minsk. In fact, she invited me to Minsk and offered to show me around and help me for free. But I know she needs money so I always give her some, one way or another.

Before I went back on this trip, a couple of WSGForum members from the US and France with whom I'm in contact by PM asked me if she can help them too. She said she has to meet with them first, to see how they are. No problem for "normal" guide services or showing them where the pick-up places are and talking to pros, but more delicate for "special" mongering assistance like approaching non-pros, and even more delicate for introducing her own friends. I now received some more PM about this. I'll talk to her again and answer to everybody by PM only. I'm reluctant in discussing services of a girl I know personally on a public board, as I'm biaised. I always provide objective opinion on this board, and my opinion on my guide is more than subjective.

Jim

Blonde506
07-09-04, 00:47
Hello Jim,

Thanks a lots for your great report. I am planning be Belarus around middle of July. However, I still have some little problem with this invitation letter. And also yesterday, I also tried this Belarus air line company in Germany, it turned out to be no one answer the phone(I called them 5 times in the afternoon). So, if it is possible, I would really like to know if there is other kind of travil agency which can take care the VISA issue for me.

Thank you again for your attention.

Greetz Blonde

GandJim
07-09-04, 11:01
Blonde506,

The easiest way to get an invitation letter and a voucher is to book a hotel room or and apartment, they will provide you with these documents. That's how I do it.

If you are thinking about going there without even booking a hotel room or apartment in advance, there are web sites like Go to Russia (http://www.gotorussia.com/visa_services_belarus-support.htm) which apparently will provide you with the invitation letter and voucher only, also for Belarus. However, it's pretty expensive. Maybe there are cheaper sites.

Personally, I would recommend you to book a hotel room or an apartment, and get your invitation letter and voucher from them.

Jim

GandJim
07-09-04, 11:19
SKINHEADS

Snail,

Thanks for posting that article. Interesting reading indeed. Unfortunately, no country can be 100% safe and you can read similar articles every now and then everywhere, even more often in traditionally "safe" countries like Switzerland.

What is also interesting in the article you posted is that there is a clear indication from the authorities that they are taking the situation seriously, are taking action and react quickly. It confirms what a few people told me when I mentioned the safety in Minsk. They say people can blame their president for a lot of things, but there is one thing they must give credit to him, and it's safety.

All I can say is this : I've seen no skinheads, no beggars, no pickpockets, no drunken or drug addicted people hanging around. I've seen local girls going out alone or with another young girl after dark and walking in the parks, so they must feel not too exposed.

But maybe I have just been lucky. I think it would be interesting if other WSG members who actually have been to Minsk recently can give us their impression too.

GandJim
07-09-04, 11:40
FOR NEWBIES TO EASTERN EUROPEAN GIRLS

I'm surprised by the number of PM I received in the last 24 hrs :). Thanks. Some of you (in particular Asian ;)) are interested in seeing Eastern European girls for the first time.

Please, no misunderstanding here. If it's the first time you travel to Europe to see Eastern European girls, Belarus is NOT your prime destination. My recommendation would be Prague, where everything is organised openly and efficiently around the sex business, and it's a beautiful city to visit. They are used to see foreigners and welcome them (in K5, one of the best clubs in Prague, more than half of the customers are Asian in some nights). Highest recommendation also for German FKKs (especially around Frankfurt and Koln/Bonn). It's in Germany, but girls come from all over the places. In fact, it is in Germany that you have the widest choice of Eastern European girls. I've been with girls from Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia and even Mongolia and Kazatzstan there. In Belarus, you see only Belarussian girls ;).

But once you've been 30-40 times to Prague and Frankfurt, it's time to see something else. Belarus (and Ukraine) is a destination for those who want to go off the beaten tracks only. In particular if they prefer amateurs to pros, and are prepared to invest time with the risk of going home empty.

Traveller22
07-10-04, 20:04
Gand Jim,

I have been living 2 years in Minsk and your reports are quite accurate. Minsk is a very clean, green and safe city for the foreigners.
Girls are indeed very beautiful but to my point of you the biggest mistake would be to "fall" into a serious relationship. I learned it the hard way, Belarussian girls are charming but many of them seem to have a real computer as their brain.

My best advice is to have sexual relationships as quickly as possible and then go away even quicker!

Maharadjah
07-11-04, 12:26
Thanks GanJim,

Great reports.

Your informations will be very useful for those who plan to go to minsk. Me include!

MR

Tucman
07-17-04, 14:32
Many thanks for all these reports, especially from GandJim.

I'm a newbie to this forum, sorry if I break some rules.

I will visit Minsk at the end of July.

Before I had just a few times with some russian hotel girls, not the best choice, nor the best rates (in hotel Rossia in Moscow, be careful when someone knocks at you door! Not dangerous but sometimes a bad surprise about how the girl looks like).

This time, I'll try to be more prepared. If someone else goes to Minsk at the same time, maybe he can PM me.

Are there erotic massage salons?

Does anybody had experiences with escort agencies?

Unlike russian ones, they seem not to advertise their services in Belarus, rather outside.

Is it a risky business in Belarus? What about the police? Is it safe to be an escort customer in Minsk?

Has anybody tried http://www.minskangels.tk? They work in Minsk and offer reasonable rates. Are there other not expensive agencies?

Greetz

MagicTouch
07-20-04, 10:19
I was with Gaetan in Minsk in March and I fully agree with him that it is nonsense to go for P4P in Minsk, so easy and satisfactory it is to have sex for free!

In order to corroborate this statement with concrete examples, for the honoured WSG-members to be able to judge by themselves, I will post here my most outstanding experience now, although it dates back to a couple of months ago.

The action was at Max Show disco, among the others there were 2 beauties impossible to overlook, one was the quintessence of the real model, tall slim and with perfect face, the other, although not designed with the same pencil, was a pure sex bomb.

I was approached by the latter who asked me if I am Turkish. When I replied that I am obviously not, she showed a huge relief and was very well available to dance with me, to accept a drink and to chat. She was really a sex bomb.

When Gaetan, his girlfriend and I left later, she accepted to join us although it is apparently a nighmare for Minsk-girls to be seen in hotels, Belarus is still a police-state and they are REALLY afraid of the security. Nevertheless she came with us.

She was a little bit drunken so she ended up to lay on one of the beds in my room but did not allow me to do much on her, she enjoyed my kissing and caressing her on her body, tits etc but I did not get any real access to her pussy. She did not sleep, she did listen to my cares but was not up for more, that's it.

At 6 am I had enough of it and, under consideration of the complicate business day waiting for me 3 hours later, I went to the other bed in search of some rest. And this was THE beginning of the funny game, she wore her jacket, ready to leave, but did not leave, sat instead on my bed talking and talking something. At this point I forced her to give me an appropriate and at this point much needed HJ, which she fulfilled not without some teasing smiles. Then she picked some of my juice with a finger and tasted it s bolshim udavol'stvem ... desperate to have access to any more traditional breakfast I presume? ... keeping a terrific eye contact. End? Noooo. I didn't even get time to make good use of my toilet, that she began to stimulate me again with her hand, with a very effective revitalizing action, continuing with her mouth through my pants, and finally ending up in a terrific earthquaking BBBJ that I would easily name the best of the best in my life, no discussions. Believe me that was her very own idea ... CIM was the obvious conclusion of the story, and she did not miss any single drop of my load ... We have a good kitchen in my country, I suppose the tasty stuff goes into the chain eventually resulting in positive effects on our bodies' chemistry and their subsequent capacity of delivering appetizing menus to these kind of ... connoisseurs ;-).
After some more chatting, she finally left ... And the cost of it was ZERO, unless you want to include the ridicolously cheap drinks in the bill ...

Conclusion: the most enjoyed missed fuck in my life!

Klitchkov
07-22-04, 06:12
To MG,

She must have been BBBJ/CIM MISS UNIVERSE or sperm adict.

Bobruisk
07-29-04, 11:15
I have come across a web-site: minskgirls.net

Photos ect.

Has anyone met up with any girls from this site?

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GandJim
07-31-04, 09:34
Bobruisk,

Gomaguy did. Just RTFF. ;)

BigthDikth
08-07-04, 07:41
Hello, I'm here in Minsk, traveling with some friends so it is hard to get away to find pussy but I did manage to get away last night and I will say it is hard without knowing Russian. "Just go get a taxi driver and have him help you.", I am told. But it is not that easy. Ten out of ten drivers I tried to talk to did not speak English! Even the front desk person at the nicest hotel in Minsk did not speak English. And the strip bar I went to charges $50 for 10 minutes with a girl!! They can do this because there is so few people that can provide pussy to English speaking people and prosituton is not that popular here. To find a guide would be the way to go but this takes time that in my situation I do not have. If any of you have phone #s of girls that speak English (and that are hot) pm me and that would be great.

Now for the good news; The streets are full of slender women that dress in the most wonderful ways!! They are not hookers and to offer them $ for sex would not work but if you wanted to stay in this city for a while and have a girlfriend, WOW!! Many of these slender girls do not wear bras so it is a real treat to girl watch. The ones that know English are happy to talk to you and if you know Russian you would have a great time.

In the summer it is a nice place to be. The city is clean, the streets are wide and there are parks everywhere. As far as the cost of things is concerned it is real cheap if you know your way around. If you are new to the city and only speak English it is not so cheap. Anyway, if you have any questions ask and I will try to help you. BD

Tucman
08-08-04, 10:01
I just come back from Minsk, here is my first report to this great forum.

Day 1 :
I called and met GandJim's guide, Anna, in the evening. We chatted a while in my appartment in the center, waiting for the stormy rain to stop. Then we went walking in the main street of Minsk, Franzisk Skorina, from Yakob Kolas, Victory and circus. It was 11pm to 12pm, didn't found any street girl maybe because of the rain.

Day 2 :
We went to Westworld, disco and casino near Belarus hotel, with her friend who works as taxi driver.

Nearly nobody at 11pm but it became more crowded at 12pm. Strip show starts at 1am, nice looking girls in the dance floor and about 10 working girls. But these working girls were not so attractive. I was approached by the only one good looking girl : 24 y.o., brunett, slim, looking like french starlet Estelle Desanges. She first asked me 300 USD for whole night and lowered it to 250 USD only for me. It was a bit expensive and I don't really like Estelle Desanges (fans of this starlet may ask Anna, her taxi driver knows her).

So I choosed a blonde, 26 y.o., average face and body, divorced with a child. At 2am and after 1 liter of beer, it was time to go home. It was 150 USD overnight + taxi fare. After sex session, she didn't want to sleep and asked either to come back or to make it a second time. I allowed her to come back but only after that she gave me back 45 USD.

Day 3 :
Anna introduced me her friend, 28 y.o., blonde, rather good looking, not currently working, divorced with a child. First meeting only for introduction in cafe and then she came in my appartment in the evening. We chatted a while and then it was time for action. Price was 115 USD overnight + taxi, action was OK. After she gave me a massage. We went walking outside a few moments and she took a taxi (I wanted to sleep alone), around 12pm, again no street girl on Franzisk Skorina.

Day 4 :
Nothing.

Day 5 :
Nothing, the guide was with her mother in another city. I had emailed four escort agencies before to come, two answered. First one asked me to email again (Angela) but didn't reply when I was there. Second agency (Helena) stood firm on 250 euros overnight (same price for 1 or 2 hours). I didn't call her because the best looking girls were not in Minsk at this time.

Day 6 :
Anna wanted to introduce me another friend of her, but this one wasn't in the mood for meeting. Her other friends were not currently in Minsk. So we went to Planeta, didn't found something, maybe it was too early, around 10pm. We walked a little and go to Yubileinaya. There were about 7 working girls in the lobby and cafe, not very good looking.

I choosed a brunett, 27 y.o., nice face but not a nice body (she had long dress, so I didn't know it before). Price was 100 USD overnight, no taxi fare. She told me that hotel security costs her 20 USD. After action, she leaved me because she has a child and I had to sleep before flying back home.

Conclusion : Minsk is a nice city, clean and safe for foreigners (although I didn't go alone outside the center).

Many nice looking girls in the street and dressed sexy in summer. But I didn't managed to approach normal girl, didn't tried it much. Guys shouldn't think that many beautiful girls will fall at their feet just because they are foreigners.

Didn't found street action, maybe it was not a good season. You can easily find working girls in hotels and in Westworld, but the quality is not so great. Escort agencies are expensive and relunctant to work in Minsk, this is illegal activity and there is a strong police. I guess sex services are better organized in St Petersburg and Moscow.

About GandJim's guide, she's really nice and willing to lead you anywhere you want (streets, hotels, casinos, discos, appartments,...), and even introduce her friends if you are normal and respectful man. PM GandJim if you want to meet her.

GandJim
08-10-04, 12:06
Hi Tucman,

Nice report, very honest. It confirms what I said in my previous posts: Don't go to discos before midnight-1am, hotel lobby girls are not the best looking, etc... Hope you still had a good time.

You raise one interesting issue : girls seem to all be divorced with one child. This is true, 80% or more of the girls I know in Belarus are like that! And there is a reason for it. I asked them why they get married and why they have a child, when they obviously see that they have 80% chance (if not more) to be divorced a couple of years later. They explained to me that :

1. If a girl doesn't have a boyfriend (and have sex) by age 16, everybody will think there is something wrong with her. She's just not a girl.

2. If a girl doesn't get married by age 20, again there is something wrong with her. Nobody wants her.

3. If she gets married, and doesn't have a child immediately, something is definitely wrong with her. She's not a woman. Her own family will even be on her back.

So they all end up married, with one child by age 20. And because there is so much younger and more pretty girls around, their husband just "change model" and upgrade to a more "recent" one. And the girls are not even upset by this. That's the way is was, that's the way it is and that's the way it will be. Chances are that they were themselves an "upgrade" and kicked somebody out a few years before. That's the rules of the game.

There is a reason for everything. ;)

Jim

Rossetti
08-10-04, 20:06
http://www.minskangels.tk/

Somebody use this agency? Is real agency of fuck only my money for travel of the girl? The girl look reaally good, maybe too good. Or for Belaurus is normal standard?

Bye

Tucman
08-14-04, 14:24
To Rosseti,

I wrote to this agency before to go to Minsk. They asked me to write again when I arrive. That's what I did, but no answer. Maybe it was summer and they didn't have anybody working. Other agencies are expensive in Minsk.

Escort agencies are illegal in Belarus. They don't provide publicly any address or telephone number, although it doesn't seem to be any problem if you manage to get in touch with them.

If you visit Minsk, try to write them and pay only when you see the girl. If you want to invite one in your home, better choose another agency with public address and good reputation.

Hope that helps.

Rossetti
08-15-04, 04:54
Undestand, and to my also don't have reply. When I have ask more photo of the girl and more info.

Bye

UR Fun
09-16-04, 17:42
This agency is definitive a fake. Don't ever book at them, they only betray you!

Regards

Mediboy
09-25-04, 11:27
Been there for a few days for work felt like I have to provide a brief update.

First of all many thanks to GandJim for bringing me in touch with Ana. Very useful and pleasant contact. Had a useful arrangement with her where she took care of my free time outside my meetings showing me around and crucially helping me in contacting/approaching/negotiating with girls breaking the language barrier. I of course paid her a fee which is similar to guide translation services and I found very modest and in return got a good guide service and a pleasant company to go around with (it s fun when a local girl support and helps out with your mongering activities!)

Overall: Minsk is a very pleasant city indeed green and clean (as others have also reported) and you can have some good action on the side of your business although it is not a prime mongering destination since the market is small (few foreigners) and not much developed. In addition prostitution being "officialy" highly illegal and looked down upon from society and that I suppose acts as a barrier for many of the great looking girls I have een on the street to enter the game

Down to the point:

Hotels: On the big hotels in Masherov as well as in Hotel Belarus, plenty of girls around the lobby and the hotel bars, most around average or just above average. Did not try any but I was told they are not cheap and not great value.

SW: I have seen some on Masherov after 11pm. Below average quality although a couple of good ones that of course disapear early.. Did not check prices since I was not inspired

Clubs: The equivalent of River Palace in Kiev or Night Flight in Moscow or Herestrau in Bucharest is Westworld adjacent to Hotel Belarus. Quality above average not too many stunners though (at leats compared o what I would expect). The few foreigners and local well-off concentrate here. Asking prices go for $200-$300 which I found outrageous for Belarus (and even for other places given that the quality was not that great) and although it seemed obvious that they would settle for half that, I did not push for that since I did not find any girl that would make me want to spend that amount at this time oif the night (was 4am). It is very busy on weekends and does attract non-professionals as well. Other clubs I visited was Max Show, good local quality, no pros (that I could see at least), fairly easy to meet girls if you speak some russian but stiil possible if you dont (made it..). Belavesa (sound like hat) was another one I visited on a Sunday. Fairly empty due to the day I suppose but really nice place, regretted not being there on weekend. was told it has a mix pro, non pro crowd.

Newspapers: Ana worked nicely here, asking prices are $25-$40 per hour and this is what locals pay. Quality varies widely but you can get some really good ones

Internet: minskgirls.net. tried a few of them. about 2/3 rds of the numbers work (not a bad ratio..) and you got to speak russian (again thansk to Ana for making the calls) although I pulled one myself with broken english. the down side is that although quality is above average not any real stunners there. the up side: pics are real, so you get what you see and prices are what it writes on the site! Tried three, all did good BBJ, relaxed attitiude and very friendly. found it very good value for money. no ball breakers but then again I might have been lucky.

That's all for now, happy hunting

Gaetan
09-25-04, 15:32
I was in Minsk last week and spent 4 days over there. I met Maharajah and NeilSydney, it was like a WSG members holiday.

We had a great time together, we met on the first day 4 girls. We invited them in the apartment of Maharajah, where we had some talks and drinks. Then, we left for Nightstar disco. Music and atmosphere were very nice, but we found our girlfriend not as good looking as the other girls in the disco, and Maharajah was just willing to get rid of his girlfriend. So, we decided to left the 4 girls and go for new clubs. It was already 2:00 in the morning, and we arrived at Alcatraz disco, ... unfortunately, there was not a lot of people. But i managed to have a nice chat with the striptease girl just after her show, i think she really liked me as she performed a private dance with me, ... i was a little embarassed as everyone was looking at me.

Then we moved to Max Show disco, very nice disco, a lot of cuties, just normal girls havong some fun. But we arrived too late to able to have some nice contacts.

The next day, we met 3 real student beauties, we invited them for lunch. We had a real good time, but no sex. My Olga was definitely a girl you can marry, but i do not have enough much time to invest. So the afternoon, i called an escort girl, she charged me USD 70 for the hour. She came to my hotel, no problem, she was very nice, she even lick some very very intimate parts.

For dinner, we invited 2 other girls, and went to Madison disco. Same history, the other girls were more beautiful than ours. Same history, NeilSydney and me left for WestWorld Club, where i met my beautiful Nastya, she was 17 y.o, the perfect girl, you can sell your soul for her. I met again on my last day.

Day 3, NeilSydney and Maharajah flight back home.

I was alone, and just walk to Mc Donald's where i met a another beauty - Natasha - 19 y.o, we chatted for almost 2 hours, but no sex.

My last day was my lucky day, where i had very good sex with a medical student girl, she was 21 y.o .

If i have to resume Minsk, it will be a very nice place to meet regular girls for long term relationship. Minsk is not Prague. Minsk is not a p4p place at all.

Maharadjah
09-27-04, 20:34
Hi,

I spent 1 week in Belarus. I reserved my apartment from belarusrent.com (thanks GandJim). It was very nice and located in the center.
Iryna from belarusrent is correct but she was always late.

In Minsk they are not many black people so when you are in popular place (metro, streets...) people will look at you like a strange animal.
One night i was disturb by a drunk teenager in the street.
But after some days you don't care about those eyes facing at you.
Nevertheless people are friendly and honest.

MR

NeilSydney
09-29-04, 20:12
Minsk is a fun place to visit but in my view there are better options for those into quick and easy fun.

We had a great time going from disco to disco to disco. While our sexual exploits could have been better, I couldn't complain about how much fun it can be in Minsk. But I agree with Gaetan, if you want things easy or if you don't have much time to get a girlfirend, then Minsk is not for you.

Just a quick comment about Westworld. We were under the impression that most the girls were working girls, but it turned out that most the girls who we thought were working were just out to have fun. Perhaps this is more unique on a Saturday night, but I certainly wouldn't compare it to River Palace in Kiev where 95% of girls are working; or Nightflight in Moscow where they all are working.

Sinanju Master
10-01-04, 03:34
Maharadjah...

tried to send you a PM, but your box is full and unable to receive more...

Cassius
10-01-04, 15:26
To Maharadjah,

I had a look at belarusrent.com.

Which of the apartment did you get? How would you rate it? Do you know other flat-rent web site?

Thank in advance.

Bye

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Maharadjah
10-01-04, 16:21
Sinanju...

My box is now ready to receive PM from others members....

MR

NeilSydney
10-01-04, 22:13
I have to say that having stayed in apartments in Ukraine and Russia, I have been a little sceptical with the quality of the companies in Minsk offering apartments. Last time, I found it quite easy to do everything with a travel company (visa, transfer, hotel, hotel registration).

Nevertheless, I'm looking into some minsk apartment companies. The one that I might go with is http://garant.by.ru

Before I go for it, I was just wondering if anyone has had any experiences already with this company?

Thanks

Maharadjah
10-02-04, 18:52
Cassius,

I had apartment #6. Nice and well located with western standard. But a little bit noisy the morning with the traffic.
there others links given by Gandjim :
http://belarusrent.com/
http://www.hotels.by.com/,
http://www.garant.by.ru/eflats.html,
http://www.apartments-minsk.com/apartments
Except for the first one (which i took) i don' t know the quality of the others.

Here a photo of the room mate of my girl friend. She was playing " Belle" from Notre Dame de Paris.
I wonder what was nice the song or her?

MR

Sour Honey
10-08-04, 18:55
Maharadiah!
They do not look at you because you're coloured!

Seems that BY people has a strange ability to recognize the strangers. A girl in the market looked at me and(without any words from me!) You Italian? (And I am ....!)

We strangers "walk" and look around in a different way. So is easy for them recognize us. Obviously, for you is easier (:-) ) but some men like you are perfectly integrated in Russian environment, and no one has "bad thoughts" about coloured men.

So ....enjoy life in Minsk!!! Ciao

Cassius
10-13-04, 22:04
Hi Guys!

HAs any of you been to Bronx Disco Club (in Minsk)?

A Belarussian friend of mine told me it is the most expensive and exclusive club of Minsk.

If the place is exclusive and expensive, it means people who goes there must have money. Or looking for money, or better looking for people with money.

Got it guys?

Let know if someone goes there.

Bye

C.

Sour Honey
10-14-04, 17:55
Ciao Cassius,
for what I know (but is only by "second hand, I never been there!) is an exclusive club for rich MINSK people.

We have not so much chances to "pick up" someone, ....at least to be PICKED UP from some drunk BY guy ....not fair ..:-)

Ciao

New Yorker II
10-21-04, 18:51
Hello GandJim!

I have sent you a PM , am not sure you have got it.

Thanks for replying.

Stravinsky
11-25-04, 17:27
MM,

So... you still haven't answered my question.

Stravinsky

PS Thanks for the photos and, Happy Thanksgiving!

Bez Bezarra
11-25-04, 18:31
Sorry Strav! You're right, something was distracting me from my
mongering responsibilities. Won't let that happen again.

Ok, well, weren't you paying any attention, because Jimbo and
I were actually giving you plenty of ideas and suggestions, and
really, Gander did a very thorough and admirable job of telling
you all the ways you need to proceed.

Come to think of it, I didn't contribue anything other than to
throw a blanket on his fire since as I said, I tried for a week
and never got a 9 or 10. I saw and spoke to some, just failed
in my initial attempts to bed any. Of course, I was in too much
of a hurry. I had resolved not to spend all my 2 weeks in Minsk,
so really I had just started to get some momentum going when I
split. Now that I can Monday morning quarterback, I realize that
if you have time to be persistent with a super smoking hot
waitress, office worker, or store clerk, eventually after a 2nd or
3rd date, they'll give in, because number one, they're horny and
love to fuck, and number two, there's no other possibility for
them to earn fast mad cash.

Stravinsky
11-26-04, 17:56
MM,

Sorry, I was trying to keep up, but the math just got too complicated, 10% of this, 20% of that, minus 50% of something else, I barely passed nuclear physics (LOL).

Sounds like there are some smokin' hot women in Byelorussia, but you'll have to invest a little time to bed them. Which is fine. Говорю по Русский.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

New Yorker II
12-09-04, 00:32
Hi you all !

I am looking for a fellow monger for "hunting in pair" in Belarus or Ukraine from Xmas time till approx. 01/10/2005.

Ideal age : 28-40y. , an "active" attitude would be required.

If interested write please to :

[Email Address deleted by Admin]

Thanks,

Marcel

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The Voice
12-12-04, 07:39
Hey New Yorker,

I'll be passing through Minks in April/May 2005 and doing a bit of mongering. If that time is convenient, Send me a response through the messaging system.

New Yorker II
12-31-04, 14:18
Hi!

I will be in Minsk next week and would be glad to have a bier with other wsg-fellows over there.

have fun!

N Y II

Red Cork
04-07-05, 17:52
A freind sent me the site, minskangels.com. As you will see there are some real stunners here. I have never been to belarus and am now thinking of making the trip and also hit a few other neighbouring countries. I am confused by the range of prices poste here in Minsk. I have read 200euros and 300 yankee bucks and also 20-40yankees. Is this due to good and bad negotiating or what? I am just over 50yr and in very good shape and health. I love stunners with model bodies and speak only English. Shall I make a trip to minsk or pass?

Bimbo Cattivo
04-13-05, 14:52
Hi,

I'm new here.

I was living 6 monts in Riga last winter and I'll post soon a full report.

Next friday I'll be for one week in Minsk: from April 15th till April 22nd.

Maybe we can meet with others wsg members for a beer or for something more.. for example to catch girls together?

I'm Italian, 34yo, and very friendly. And I know how to behave in East Europe.

Nickc
04-23-05, 02:28
Word of advice: they probably are genuine and true, but when people with only 3 or 4 reports offer to meet you for a beer, use some caution. Many people are strongly oppossed to WSG, have a look at the hate mail they recieve.

Cheers

Diceman
04-24-05, 14:08
My advice to you is get yourself to Riga. Its ideal for a guy of your age, forget some of them crazy prices of $200, you can get all sorts of stunners for 25-45 lats about $50 for an hour.

Enjoy

Dant75
04-28-05, 22:38
A freind sent me the site, minskangels.com. As you will see there are some real stunners here. I have never been to belarus and am now thinking of making the trip and also hit a few other neighbouring countries. I am confused by the range of prices poste here in Minsk. I have read 200euros and 300 yankee bucks and also 20-40yankees. Is this due to good and bad negotiating or what? I am just over 50yr and in very good shape and health. I love stunners with model bodies and speak only English. Shall I make a trip to minsk or pass?minskangels.tk is a complete rip-off, this is the same scam agency as belamodel.tk and escort6.net. On french review site (leguiderose.net) 7 people have lost their money : the agency requires a money transfer by Western Union for airplane tickets or apartment/girls reservation in Belarus, and nobody comes at the airport :-(

The photos are stolen from an ukrainian model agency who claims to have nothing to do with escorting (I'll give you the URL by PM if you want).

Bez Bezarra
04-29-05, 23:08
Sorry the photo's not very good.
Sveta is camera shy. She has a great tight
ass and a huge firm rack, and she knows it too.
Very flirty girl, about 25 years old, she's not
dumb and not easy either.

But, as the saying goes, well, let's just say she's
learned a lot from watching western programs.
Don't expect too much, she's cold and calculating,
she'll fool you with her pretend warmth and phony
open-ness. YMMV.

New Yorker II
05-09-05, 19:09
Hi BC,

Please PM me , we could exchange some informations about BY, I speak your mother language.

NY II


Hi,

I'm new here.

I was living 6 monts in Riga last winter and I'll post soon a full report.

Next friday I'll be for one week in Minsk: from April 15th till April 22nd.

Maybe we can meet with others wsg members for a beer or for something more.. for example to catch girls together?

I'm Italian, 34yo, and very friendly. And I know how to behave in East Europe.

Traveller22
05-10-05, 07:40
I am already in Minsk and will stay there till the end of the month. If anyone is interested in meeting and chasing girls together please PM me.

Eros75
05-10-05, 13:03
Hi! All,

Anybody is going to Ukraine or some Eastern European countries in New Year's eve (around 27/12/05 to 04/01/06), if positive and possible I would like to join you guys, please let me know.

Thanks in advance

Eros

Funky Bump
05-12-05, 07:04
Hello Gentlemen (and ladies, that's cool too!),

I've read some posting and got some ideas/leads...but I'd like to open it up to others who have some knowledge.

My bro's and I are heading to Minsk (and Kiev, and Moscow) for some traveling. Out of all of us...I'm the only monger...although one of my buddies has potential and I'm trying to break him in. I need some advise on clean/safe hotels in Minsk (and the other cities if you can comment) at a reasonable price (not loaded) and night life what will satisfy both me (monger) and my buddies (novice monger and a non-monger). The non-monger is cool with the scene...just doesn't want to close on a deal.

Any help will do.

Help me help others.

Funk

Astor
05-29-05, 15:55
Minsk 02/05

Day 1

Arrived in Minsk in the middle of February and had to stay in a hotel for a night.

I picked Hotel Byelorussia. It is typical Soviet era hotel with a few modern rooms. I had a look at other hotels, I hoped that I could find few private ones, but I guess they do not exist or I did not find any. Many hotels are in the same area so if you will come here you will be able to find the place to stay. However, I have been told that on major holidays all rooms are for WWII veterans and no mongering is allowed. In Belarus there are two rates one for foreigners and another one for locals. If you are local you pay half the price. Hotel was around 80 USD for the night; this price includes breakfast in Soviet style canteen.

Got some rest and at around 11PM decided to check out the scene. Went downstairs and asked security guy what are the options, he suggested the night club and casino next door. I dont remember the name but the nickname is Shaiba. Entrance fee I think was around 10 USD includes a table close to the dance floor. There were not that many people around and I did not see any available girls that would interest me. Most of them were with friends or boyfriends so I knew that I had to look for the professionals as night was getting late.

Right away spotted one provider at the bar. Drinks at the bar were reasonably priced. I did not like her so I kept chatting to her and most her colleagues were coming and talking to us, there were at least 7 of them and when I spotted one that interested me I started chatting to her.

At that time it was around 1 AM so I asked her how much she wants she said 100 euros for the hour, I said that now way that I am paying this for the hour. Anyway after 30 minutes of heavy negotiations we agreed on 100 USD for the rest of the night, but we agreed that I had to pay security guy so that he wont ask her for the passport. I agreed and then we went to my room. Security fee was 25USD, tried to negotiate that but no luck, then he called in our floor babushka to let us through.

Nastia: 21 years old. Student from local university trying to make extra cash.
Face 7 Body 8 Performance 7

Overall good experience.
Let her go at around 7 AM after 3 rounds. She asked for cab money but I said that all my money is on my credit card and I can not give her anything.

Day 2

At lunchtime met my contact in Minsk and we went for lunch, in the restaurant we spotted two attractive girls and we asked them if we can sit with them, excuse was that the restaurant is full and there are no seats available. Anyway they were busy that day, but said that we can go out tomorrow night. So we took their phone numbers.

Then my local friend went to finish his business and I went to meet two girls that I met online.
I did not like first one. On the pictures she looked much better that in real life. So we had a few drinks and I said that I will call her in the evening. Then I went to meet another one and it was same story there. Both of them wanted serious relationships with kids and marriage and I did not want to ruin their expectations. But I though if nothing will work out for tonight I might call one of them.

After these meetings I called my buddy and asked him if he is free and can we do something for tonight. He suggested sauna and came to pick me up. Sauna was located in some sort of a factory so we had to pass factory security gates. Inside was Russian bania and finish sauna with small pool, no Jacuzzi; Two rooms with beds to chill out and have sex and one large room with sofas, table, TV and Russian billiards. There were showers too.

After few drinks we asked our sauna manager to find us some girls. After some time he said that none of his contacts are available for tonight. So we went searching local tochkas. Most of them are located all around Minsk, but you have to know the places. Local contacts can help you out, also most taxi guys know where to go. Tochkas are not under management so girls come and go and location changes. We did not find any attractive girls in the first tochka, but in the second tochka we found 2 attractive students out of 6 girls. All girls were standing in the bus stop, so you have to ask them first if they are working or not, as it could be just regular girls waiting for the bus.

Both of them charged 50 USD for the night. We negotiated down to 40 USD for each girl, because we took them both to the same place. On the way to sauna we bought some drinks and food in local supermarket. After that we went to sauna and had an orgy. I had a porn movie experience for the whole night))

Katia 20 years old. Student from somewhere in Belarus, currently studying in Minsk.
Face 7 Body 8 Performance 8

Sveta 19 year old. Student from the same university
Face 7 Body 7 Performance 8

Day 3

Woke up at around 3PM and called my buddy. He was working all day but still had power to continue mongering with me. This day we decided to try local newspapers. So we bought a couple of newspapers with advertisements and went searching. Most girls rent apartments, so we decided to visit few of them. Well I expected something better, even though they charged 30 USD an hour. Quality really disappointed me. But it is hit or miss experience as they dont advertise pictures in the newspapers and most advertisements have double meaning, like housekeeper will clean the house for rich gentleman, etc. So we did not find anything that we liked.

Then we went to the tochka spots that we visited yesterday and they were empty and we could not find any new ones.

So we went back to the apartment. There we had a few drinks and switched on a local music channel and we saw that you can send SMS messages and they will post it on the screen for short time. So my friend send an SMS, two foreigners are looking for attractive girls to show the city and have fun. He did it a couple of times and SMS started to keep rolling in.

Well most of the girls just wanted to chat on the phone, others were too young for us or lived too far away, so we had to do lots of calling and research to find out where to go. Finally we made few appointments for tonight. Well first girls gave us an address and we went there to pick them up, but they were playing around and never showed up. So we went to second pair of girls. Both of them were already ready to go and as good as we have hoped for. I would say both were 8.

Then we went to local disco. It was located not in the centre of Minsk. Dont recall the name only remember that it opens at 12. Anyway after lots of dancing and hand holding we went to apartment to find out more about each other. My friend wanted to sleep so I asked him to stay awake till I leave the room with the girl. After few more drinks we went to check out the curtain in the bedroom)) and my friend stayed in the living room. My girl was good in bed. My friend was tired and fell asleep right away, so his girls was upset in the morning.

I would suggest serious mongering experience in Easter Europe if you decide to come here. This is the last dictatorship country in Europe.

On the border I was stopped because customs official did not like how my BelarusianVisa look like. He claimed that it is fake. I quickly realized that he wants a bribe and offered him 10 USD; this is a lot in this country. However, he refused and kept me waiting for 3h to check my visas out. Obviously they were real and he had to let me go. Minsk is full of cops and army troopers, they are everywhere.

On the positive side many girls are available. If you are a girl in Bellarus you can not leave the country until you are 25 or something like that. It is closed country for locals. You can not leave the country without a reason. I dont know if is true, but I have been told this by the first hooker in the hotel. Also most people make around 50-100 USD a month. So it is good mongering place. However, because of policital situation it could be dangerous to do heavy hunting as prostitution does not exist in this country, same as in USSR. Also cops would be more than happy to catch some of us and make a big case. This happened before and it will happen in the future. However, you can bribe your way out in any case.

Minsk was bombed out through WWII so almost whole city was build through Stalin times and architecture resembles that, but city is generally clean and buildings were recently repainted.

However, all other cities in Belarus look like nothing has changed since Soviet Union.

Happy hunting!

Goldfinger
05-29-05, 22:08
Enjoyed reading your report. Do the girls speak English or is Russian essential?

BigthDikth
06-02-05, 09:08
I was in Minsk last summer and no, people that live there do not have to be 25 to leave the country. I took a 19 year old on a trip and she got out and in with no problem. She was my girlfriend for the month that we hung out.

Without her Minsk was pretty rough. Have you ever tried to talk to someone that doesn't speak your language? Most of the people in Minsk know only Russian.

Hooking is not part of their culture like it is in Thailand, Amsterdam etc. so it was not easy to find hot girls at a good price. Many people in Minsk live on $100 a month so you would think the hookers are inexpensive but no, girls are very expensive. It just goes to show how much hooking is against their culture. And the girls that do hook are not that happy and attractive, they tend to have a dark cloud surounding them.

The few strip clubs that are in the city are controlled by the same people so they are expensive, almost as expensive as the US.

In short I would say Minsk is one of the last places I'd go in Eastern Europe for pay for play. I have been to Estonia, Russia, Bulgaria and the Ukraine and all of those places are soooooooooo much better than Minsk.

If you are going to stay a while and hang out with the English speaking girls or if you have a local hook up then Minsk can be a fun place. The girls are beautiful, the city is clean and safe, and if you can find the right situation living there can be quite inexpensive. Did I mention that the girls are beautiful!!!?

Most of the girls you meet want you as there ticket to a better life. The girl I hooked up with really liked me for me. She did not want me to buy her anything, she did not want me to waste money on restaurants, and she likes living in Minsk and does not want to go to the US. She and I had a lot of fun together. It was real nice to be able to treat someone like that to a trip.

Don't go to Minsk thinking that the girls are all like her; she was the exception to the rule. But I must say the girls in Minsk are gorgeous!

If I were to go to a place just for the pay for play Id pick Bulgaria. The girls have big tits, $25 will get you laid and English is a language that people know.

Bez Bezarra
06-02-05, 12:39
The main p4p sources in Minsk are used almost exclusively by the
same category of mongers that you'll find in any second level cities
throughout the CIS, i.e. primarily locals or CIS citizens visiting town
on business or on family type visits.

Which means that when you pick up the personals section of the local
zhournal, your chances of having an easy time finding willing talented
company are directly proportional to your coming off on the phone as
a russian speaking visitor or local. If you sound like anything else, don't
expect anything but a struggle.

So the key is to get some help. A friendly taxi driver, bartender, or
even any nice friendly local semi-english speaking guy that you can get
a normal vibe from, will gladly get you all set up for $10 or $20
for his time and trouble. You need to be careful and try to use
your best judgement when trusting someone to become your
new pal/pimp.

So it doesn't matter whether you're in Minsk, Pinsk, Omsk, or Tomsk.
The dyevochkas are there and they need you as much as you need them,
but if your language skills are lacking, make a friend who can do all the
talking for you. One time, I had my new pal telling the mamachka on the
phone that she better send a lady who would do this and that and bla bla,
or she would be sent back with nothing but a swift kick in her ass. It
wasn't even my idea, but I thought it was pretty funny until I opened my
door an hour later and saw a 9 standing there who proceeded to fuck me
half to death over the next 2 hours for $50. For the $20 I slipped to my
new buddy before he left, I got back something priceless.

Member #3919
06-02-05, 20:02
Ben,

Is that 50 bucks each, or all together? Tell me I'm dreaming.

Bez Bezarra
06-02-05, 21:58
Wake up.
A 9 on the 1-10 scale. Not 9 girls, you xanax-brain!

For a dyev that special, an extra $20 or two painlessly smooths
the way for a full on GFE, so don't get worked up over the total.

A couple years back, but again he pre-negotiated strictly
local price on the phone that I would never have been offered as
westerner visiting Minsk. I also forgot to mention that they were
very keen to be sure that I was NOT of the turk/azeri/chechen variety
of persuasion, because of ongoing problems. Too many "I decided
to give you nothing!" scenes or even worse ladies being bruised and
threatened.

The point being, when you end up with better than you were
expecting, giving back more can pay off in what comes around
to you. Whether its cosmetics or lingerie or extra rubles,
the EE ladies are often surprised by generosity, as opposed
to greedy western FWC's who expect it and give back only
indifference.

Here's Inessa after her Sharon Stone move.

Astor
06-05-05, 23:03
All girls spoke only Russian. You have to know Russian to keep conversation or havea wingman who speaks English, Russian so that he could translate for you.

Felix Nordic
06-19-05, 17:11
After arriving to Grodna we had a rather fun night at hotel Turist. Me and my friend just joined a group of 4 girls and one man having a birthday party! Soo easy to flirt with the girls in Belarus. Got the phone number and some tongue kissing with a nice looking blonde and with a promise to meet her next day. There would for sure have been more sucess then!

But I had to leave for Minsk! (Im sorry Elena) Got a date with a real beauty I found at Lucky Lovers. We met and she was as beautiful as in the photos. Took her to a fancy restaurant and afterwards she followed me to my apartment for a little present I wanted to give her. Once again some kissing and touching of her rock hard slim body! 170 cm, 50 kg! Just love those stats!(apartment was rented from belarusrent.com)

She had to go home to her little child and I let her away. I was very horny and I called some girls at minskgirls.net but no one was answering. Probably busy as I was calling at 23.30! Asked a taxi driver for some girls and he said here on Skaryny ave! He showed me around and after 10 minutes we found a group of 5 girls standing very close to the victory monument! They were not dressed as street girls at all. Normal clothes and 2 of them were around 7. One slim blonde about 165, and one tall slim brunette (175cm). I told them I wanted them both for one hour and I gave them $ 60. They didnt Agree on anal or lesbian but did BBBJ and CIM. So I took them!

They joined me to my apartment which was very close! We started with some wine and after 10 minutes I pulled up the skirt on the slim brunette! Nice thong... Lovely long legs... and she had quite large breasts too.. between b and c... The blonde had quite small tits. The blonde was 23 and the brunette was 26! I took them both to my bedroom and they sat down barebreasted on the bed as I unzipped and the brunette started to give me oral. After 30 sekonds I felt it was time for the blonde to taste and she did with great skill. I switched every 30 sekonds and the girls thought that was so funny they begun to laugh and giggle very much! I liked that because it showed they had a nice time too!

I told them to undress fully and they did... I asked who was going to be on top first and the brunette sat down to start with! Great.. I started to kiss the blonde and massaged her crotch and soon it was all wet! She started to kiss me wildly as a real girlfriend would have done and as a result of the clit massage I gave her! Soon I switched and the blonde went on top of me! I kissed with the brunette and massaged her clit as well.

What a good lover girl this young blonde was! Very good oral, wild kisser and great for fucking! The brunette was cooler and more gentle in all aspects. But the blonde really enjoyed it and I gave her back passionate sex as bonus!

One hour passed quickly and I finished in the mouth of the brunette!

Well spend $ 60!

Second day in Minsk I invited the beauty from LL and we had some wine in the apartment. I got some more kissing and and got her bra off for titsucking!

She wouldnt come to the bed room that soon she said and we went bowling!I hoped ofcourse her to come back to the apartment! After the bowling she all of a sudden had to go home to her child and I was left alone again. My friend had arrived in Minsk as well and we went to a disco connected to a casino! (Im sorry that I forgot this name, but we just asked a taxi driver to take us to a disco with nice girls)

I was totally shocked about the quality and the easy freebees in this place. As I walked towards the bar I spotted a hot looking blonde, about 8, and flirted with her.. she waved at me and I blowed her a kiss and she replied! Nice start! We sat down and she was so sweet. Face was a 9 and body was 8! She was accompanied with a almost as nice looking girlfriend who my friend went for! We went for dancing and soon we did dirty dancing. I could do this with her friend too and I felt like a king! Another girl looked at me as well... and another..It was so incredible! I spotted many nice looking girls at 8 and above!

A slow dance came but another man was faster than me for the sweetie pie blonde! Well well... I looked around at the girls sitting at the tables and saw a beautiful blonde. I asked her to dance and she accepted more than happliy! She was around 9 in total! Beatiful 175 cm, blue eyed and slim blonde! I asked her if she was a pro and she said she was not! Only down side was her her poor english! We danced and we sat down at her table with another 5 girls who all started to look at me with hunger in their eyes. They gave me a drink and all the girls flirted and wanted to talk to me! I was in heaven! I got the impression that she couldnt leave this palce because of the birthday party of her beautiful friend! (sexy brunette with bright blue eyes that also gave me horny looks and attention) We have had a very nice evening and I got her phone number for the future. My friend didnt do that well and I was alos tired after a lot of travelling! We went back and I took once again a girl of Skaryny street. Her face was 8 and she was dressed sexy. She wanted $ 50 for an hour including BBBJ and finish in her mouth. Expensive but I wanted something quickly before going to bed....

As she undressed in my apartment her boody prooved to be only 6 with some droopy tits! She also had a bad attitude which I didnt like... Hmm... I did her any way and gave her a taste of my love juice!

I will come back to Belarus for more hunting! More days and I will lay down some beautiful amatuers for free!

Cheers,

Felix

P.s. Be very careful because its stricly illegal to go with hookers in Belarus! And you dont want to deal with the police which in the best case will take some bribes.

Zizz Bang
07-22-05, 16:53
A couple of misconceptions about Minsk to dispel right away:

a) None of the girls speak English.
Untrue. I found many girls, particularly under 30, who were rather adept at it. I went into Minsk thinking I would have to be speaking bad Russian the entire time, which was only partially true.
b) Everyone there has blonde hair and blue eyes.
Although definitely "White Russia", there is more diversity than I expected, though the place is definitely 90% white. At least.

Though not nearly as many stunning women running around as a place like Liepaja or Riga, there are way more than in the West. The short skirts with the high heels still reign supreme I must add, delightfully.

On this site I saw that www.belarusrent.com has been used and recommended. I have to say that I cannot do the same, it has been a complete nightmare dealing with Iryna. She gladly accepts your $100 deposit, but never answers her email and did not answer the phone. Did not offer to refund my prepayment either, and afterwards pointed at the little clause that said "no refunds". You gotta to be fucking kidding! I have since heard the same from two other people who were stung by her lax way of doing business. To add to the nightmare I was stranded at the airport when her pickup service did not arrive as promised. I wound up staying at the dreadful Hotel Yublienaya for two nights, where I got and wanted no action, and the much much better Hotel Minsk for the last two (do go to BelIntourist first, they will get you a better deal on hotels all over the city).

On to girls: Women there are extremely curious about foreigners (and are quite direct about calling you that). I had no trouble talking to a number of girls, especially in the internet cafes, where I could be heard speaking english with the manager. I ducked out of the rain by Park Gorkogo and shared an umbrella with a little Belarussian dancer, taking English lessons, who shared a bed with me the next evening at the Hotel Minsk. No guest charge.

My final evening I decided to have a drink down at the lobby bar in the Minsk Hotel and the five women lurking there were all 8-9. I finally approached a stunning newcomer, Stella, who spoke no English. I'd never made a sexual transaction entirely in a different language, so it all was exciting to me and she was absolutely beautiful: 10/10 in face, 9/10 in body, 6 -> 9/10 in attitude. I must add that, though I've read much in this forum, I'd never taken a working girl back to my hotel room before. It was $150 for the night, much too pricey probably but better in quality than I've had in Russia and Ukraine, and there was no security fee, no guest fee, no additional charge. GFE, BBBJ, CIM. Her attitude, as I mentioned before, was initially a 6, in that icy way that some some Russian chicks have. But during sex she came - and sprayed! - all over the bed and everything was loose and fun after that.

Not sure if I recommend it for samplers but don't avoid Minsk thinking that it is all too difficult. Scorecard: Two hotties (two shapely, tight asses), one freebie, in four nights. Could have been much much better without BelarusRent.

Red Cork
07-25-05, 22:20
this sounds like a real fabulous place full of stunners.
for you experienced belarusian pooners , please check out this site and tell me that it is true. then i want a sponsor and i'm buying a direct ticket. wow ! they are all 10's
www.minskangels.tk
i would spend a month and not come out of the apartment hehehe.

BigthDikth
07-26-05, 11:54
I have been to Minsk. Yes, it is true, Minsk has beautiful women but if you do not know how to speak Russian it is brutal!

Learn Russian, at least a little, and it will be wonderful!

Unlike many places in this world prostitution is not looked a pond with approval in Belarus so, yes there are some lovely hookers but most are not attractive because of low self esteem. The hookers that are attractive are expensive, $200 a night and up. And most will try to leave as soon as they can. If you pay for it you will get what you want but it is not as cheap as it should be in a country as poor as this one. In a nutshell; if you are not good with freebees at the clubs and you want a hot GFE then you will have to pay in Minsk.

Why am I writing this? Because I have made the mistake of going there for the hot babes and found I need some Russian or a lot of time to hang out to meet the hotties. Thank God I also had a girl I knew there. But I am a male whor* so around and round I drove in a cab looking for something hot. Then around and round I rode in a cab looking for something I could stomach. Then I went to the hotel parking lot and paid top dollar for a hot babe with a bad attitude.

Learn Russian!! It will be worth it!! I remember seeing these women and going up to them and asking them a question and they responding in Russian, them me asking them if they speak English and them, with a frown on their face say No and me with a frown on my face saying Too bad! Learn Russian and you will have fun there!

Yes there are women that know English and yes there are women that want you but it is hard when 90% of the people knows no English. Ziizz Bang is a stud. (or lucky :-)) but he paid the same price as you would pay in Kiev for a hottie. And in Kiev it is easier for someone who is an English speaker.

It was a nice experience going to Minsk but for cheap easy pussy I would pick Bulgaria or Bangkok.

PS I used belarusrent.com and Iryna was very cool.

Felix Nordic
07-29-05, 11:32
I rented the second time from Belarusrent and good a very central apartment for good price at Leninskyaya. I have neevr payed any deposit so cant agree with those who are unhappy here. Im sure the experiences can vary great though.

About the girls: I had so little time but I dated a drop dead beautiful blonde from Lucky Lovers. I would rate her 9 in total. Tall slim blonde with blue eyes.... Unfortunately she was colder than ice. I have met this attitude from some girls here. They really lack romance. A great shame for a country packed with beautiful girls willing to dte you. So after a date with her and her freind I just managed to get some kissing! I think girls here still are very soviet with not so much romantic feelings. I think its 50/50. Some girls are hot and romantic and some are just stone cold no matter what.

And if you knows Russian, your chances with freebies improves by a 1000%. Girls are highly approachble. My friend who is 50 with a huge beer gut could easily take a hot 20 year old chic to a cafe. Sadly he couldnt talk so much with her though.

Cheers and have fun!

//Felix

GandJim
08-01-05, 12:37
... please check out this site and tell me that it is true. ...
www.minskangels.tk

Unfortunately, this site is a fake. Has been reported on this forum several times already.

Starts by confirming girls are available to come to see you at such dates, bla bla bla, and then asking for money to pay for visa and travel expenses. When you say that you want to see the girls in Minsk, and not having the girls coming to you, they stop replying.

Red Cork
08-02-05, 02:44
thank you so much gj.
that is exactly what is happening. there was one of the girls that i had a woody for and asked about her getting visa and rate to come to canada for 2 weeks. the rate was very reasonable so i responded with enthusiasm :) small brain was thinking. they kept at me and then wanted money. i thought , hell maybe i should ask for sponsorship and take a nice pooning holliday so started asking all about how that would happen and i got the run around and then dumped. i had a suspicion too.
too bad because the chicks are out of this world.

Bez Bezarra
08-02-05, 12:12
A sucker born every minute?

Is it really so easy to scam you with fake fantasies?

Well, no one would ever put a phony photo on the internet,
would they? To get your money? Really? You mean that
there's fake stuff on the internet?

"They are all tens!" "The chicks are out of this world!"
"A real fabulous place full of stunners!"

The key word in all of your naive enthusiasm is REAL!!!

Wolfgang O
09-04-05, 20:26
Has anyone informations about GOMEL?

Markus01
09-06-05, 07:56
Any experience with this agency (from Gomel)?

http://www.belamodel.tk/

Brotherrabitt
09-06-05, 15:39
Hi Guys

I have been reading the Belarus reports, and as some of it is quite old, I would appreciate if one of the more experienced among you correct my errors.

I will be going to Belarus early october (first time).

Hotels: Hotel Minsk seems a good bet, the only other 4-start I see is the YUBILEINAYA which seems to be rather awful.Any other suggestions for a short stay ?

Escort agencies: Angela, Helena, Svetlana and Eva, however I can not find any contact details for those. I understand from one of your earlier posts that the contact numbers change every so often, but how/where can I get the lastest numbers ?

WWW: minskgirls.net and something called Lucky Lovers. Is LL also a webiste ? I find luckylovers.co.uk, which is a subscription website. Is this the same ? I take it that even though not always easy to get hold off, the girls on minskgirls.net are not fake.

Disco/clubs: Westworld, Max Show, Madison and Planeta, seem to get going quite late (I am an old f..k) and not many pro's, if at all.

Thanks for your assistance. If you need help with Warsaw and or Budapest, let me know, those places I have more or less figured out.

Thanks

Pleasure

Sweeet
09-07-05, 10:59
Disco/clubs: Westworld, Max Show, Madison and Planeta, seem to get going quite late (I am an old f..k) and not many pro's, if at all.Not many pros in clubs is great! (at least for me)

I have no interest in pros or semi-pros but here's a run-down of clubs. If you don't speak Russian best to go somewhere else if travelling to Eastern Europe as the majority of the girls don't speak English or enough to communicate effectively.

Madison - stunning women, probably the place to meet the hottest girls. A favourite club of one of my local friends (because of the quality of women) but I really don't like the vibe. One of the more expensive clubs but it's not hard to see why. They have money exchange there if you require it.

Alcatraz - Mid-week is dead, dead, dead. Almost gave the club away but Friday and Saturday nights aren't too bad. Not a very big place and the cover charge is a bit rich for Minsk. They also have a casino.

Yula - seemed like a club for students, it was a really young crowd. They had some sort of dare competition while I was there.

Max Show - Nice club that is good mid-week though Sunday night was probably best. Plenty of fat, middle-aged foreigners to laugh at. :D

Izum - It only recently opened but I didn't visit it. Apparently it's another upscale club. It's in the same building as Alcatraz but the entrance is on the other side.

Bronx Club/Bela Veja - I understand this is the same place. I was told the parties are good but are only on a couple of times a month. Bronx is a nice place to hang out with friends and play some billiards.

Dankoff Club - Only went there once and there wasn't a great deal of people there (on a Friday or Saturday). It's more of a restaurant with a dance floor. They also have a casino and stripclub.

Westworld - The biggest club in Minsk and not bad food and entertainment. There might be some working girls sitting at the bars, but I didn't see any when I was there.

Cyber - I never went there but a girl recommended the club.

Night Star - Slightly older crowd, I didn't hang around long, there's a VIP section upstairs.

Juralinka - I only went to the casino there but there's also a club. A friend told me it's a place younger women go to meet older men.

Merilyn's - A stripclub I never visited. I was standing at a bar with a girl I wasn't paying much attention to and she started a conversation only to give me a business card for the venue.

Babylon - A dump of a place that is frequented mainly by students. Make sure you take a crap before you go there cause the toilet is an old-fashioned one. I was told it's a good place in the summer. It's also known as a gay bar.

I think I visited one other club but can't remember. There was a club I walked past called Xtreme or something like that which sounded more like a rave. I didn't visit any clubs that resembled a rave, it's more pop and dance remixes. I haven't been to Planeta and didn't get around to checking out Reactor. If you know of other decent clubs I'd be interested to hear about them.

The clubs are quiet until midnight and usually close around 5am. Girls usually go out with their friends. If your accommodation is central you'll basically never have to pay more than 10k for a cab, and in all likelihood if you do pay 10k you are getting ripped off. I have no idea about hotels or escorts as I don't use them, if you are looking for SWs they are not at all hard to see them at night along Skoriny Avenue.

Again, if you don't speak Russian I wouldn't recommend going to Minsk for clubbing.

Martin Brady
09-08-05, 00:06
Any experience with this agency (from Gomel)?

http://www.belamodel.tk/Belamodel will take your money and give you nothing. It's a complete rip-off.

Dont Damn Me
09-12-05, 03:42
Hey guys,

I am planning my first trip to Belarus in October. I thought I would ask about radiation levels in and around Minsk (due to Chernobyl reactor)? Is this of any concern now if I stay in Minsk? What about traveling out to the Mogilev region and so forth? Were there any guidelines you had to follow to avoid Cesium exposure?

BTW, all the good reports below are much appreciated. I found out more about Belarus reading this board than anywhere else on the internet, and I'm not talking about just girls. Thanks.

DDM

Zizz Bang
09-13-05, 04:17
No need to worry about radiation unless you decide to move to southern Belarus. One week in Gomel, for example, is the equivalent of a chest xray, and that is in the epicenter of the Chernobyl fallout.

For the people who live there, it is a different matter entirely.

If you're really paranoid, make sure you don't eat mushrooms or beef while there.

Zizz

Eros74
09-14-05, 23:31
Hello!

Please what do you exactly mean:"For the people who live there, it is a different matter entirely."?

I mean I am writing with 2 girls I met in luckylovers, they are both living in Gomel, so can you explain me.

I thank You in advance!

Have a good time.

Zizz Bang
09-16-05, 03:19
I just want to assuage any fears that people have about radiation (a field I have considerable knowledge in) and Belarus. You are not going to get it from hanging out with a local hottie.

On the other hand, residents (particularly from Gomel) have much higher incidences of leukemia, thyroid cancer, deafness, bone loss and genetic defects in the newborn. Radioactive fallout has been taken up in water, plantmass and, most importantly, has been bioaccumulated by many wild animals. It is a serious problem, but it is a long term one also.

You can read all about it here: http://www.chernobyl.info

Like I said, a six-day trip to Gomel is equal to one chest xray. So someone who has lived there for 20 years has had the equivalent to 1200 xrays. That can't be too good on anyone.

Eros74
09-16-05, 23:29
Hello Zizz,

"You are not going to get it from hanging out with a local hottie".

Yes I knew it, I am not scared about one week there or about to have sex with them but only thinking that it is better, if it is possible to choose.., to have long-time relationship with girls from north of Bielo.

I am not into planning to have long-time relationship, but who knows..

But I am plan to go to Bielo and I didn't know, before to read here, the big problems who have south of Bielo about radiations.

I thought Chernobyl was problem mainly of Ukraina and not of Bielo.

Thanks again.

Viagrant
09-17-05, 06:59
I just want to assuage any fears that people have about radiation (a field I have considerable knowledge in) and Belarus. You are not going to get it from hanging out with a local hottie.

On the other hand, residents (particularly from Gomel) have much higher incidences of leukemia, thyroid cancer, deafness, bone loss and genetic defects in the newborn. Radioactive fallout has been taken up in water, plantmass and, most importantly, has been bioaccumulated by many wild animals. It is a serious problem, but it is a long term one also.

You can read all about it here: http://www.chernobyl.info

Like I said, a six-day trip to Gomel is equal to one chest xray. So someone who has lived there for 20 years has had the equivalent to 1200 xrays. That can't be too good on anyone.

There was an article in the September 6, 2005, issue of the Wall Street Journal saying that the threat from radiation from Chernobyl was vastly overstated:

U.N. Report Calls Chernobyl Dangers Overstated. A team of United Nations researchers said the health dangers from the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear accident were vastly overstated, resulting in a "paralyzing fatalism" among the 350,000 evacuees that proved to be the "largest public health problem." Wall Street Journal. 6 September 2005.
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112596496983232233,00.html?mod=todays_us_marketplace (subscription required)

Just tossing that out there for those interested.

Zizz Bang
09-17-05, 20:47
Yeah, I read that article from the United Nations too, which is controversial in the health professions, to say the least. There probably is a deep-seated over-paranoia in Eastern Europe about Chernobyl (who can blame them, the Soviets were pretty incompetent/evil about the whole thing).

But, on the other hand, there are unmistakable health issues for those in southeastern Belarus and downstream of the Dnepro River in Ukraine. I have seen this with my own eyes and with a Geiger counter. I'll never forget seeing a fox (whose carcass had been gathered from the woods around Gomel) that had 30 times the acceptable radiation level on the Geiger.

It wouldn't keep me from pursuing STR from women there. Gomel has one of the highest female:male ratios in the entire world.

Bez Bezarra
09-18-05, 13:00
Just tell us if the Gomel girls' pizda's glow in the dark,
so you can see where to stick it in when the power goes off?

Slavicgourmet
10-02-05, 20:54
Just tell us if the Gomel girls' pizda's glow in the dark,
so you can see where to stick it in when the power goes off?2 girls of Gomel glowing in the dark because of the radiations!

Felix Nordic
10-02-05, 23:03
Its estimated that about 70 % of the down fall from Chernobyl landed in Belarus. Is is therefore the single most affected country, even worse than Ukraina. Approx 20 % of the land is un-usable due to this. Especially the south region, including the Pripjet wetlands and the eastern parts did get the most.

However Gomel, only being 100-150 km away, escaped from severe downfall, which is purely based on the weather during that period. My own soil samples from Gomel prooves radiation map to be correct. Therefore its quite safe in the city of Gomel. However you might get food thats not the best and also take care of old stuff that you buy. Often hings are taken in the abandoned houses in the forbidden zone and sold on fleamarket. The police can then spot them with a radiation meeter. There comes also dust with the wind that carries radiation.

Cheers,

Felix

Essi
10-03-05, 09:14
Hi

Is it safe in minsk with no risk of the radiation?

I want to go visit belarus in this winter.

ESSI

Eros74
10-03-05, 21:53
Why you posted foto you take in LuckyLovers and not foto you did?

Eros74
10-13-05, 23:07
Zizz i spoke few minutes ago in icq with girl from Gomel, she told me that old saying in last URSS was that the best women in act and dress in all Russia you can find in Gomel.

Do you agree?

Why in your opinion Gomel worth a visit? I mean what Gomel has that Vitebsk or other little city doesn't have?

Could you write little report of your travel in Gomel,please?
At least some info about hotel you stayed and disko you went, prices of pro or if it is easy with regular.

Many thanks in advance!

Luka

Zizz Bang
10-14-05, 09:37
My time in Belarus was wonderful all around and I cannot truly recommend one place over another. I speak "functional" Russian, so getting out of the big cities is not too scary for me. That said, Minsk and Gomel are really the only places I can say that I've been in Belarus.

I would say that the country in general, being one of the least Westernized parts of the CIS, especially in comparison to Ukraine and Russia, has minimal "spoilage". Women are smart, thin, curious and gorgeous. They are less ethnically diverse than the rest of the CIS and are more likely to categorize you as a foreigner right off the bat.

What makes Gomel so special -- and I've only been there twice, for work -- is that the female:male ratio is so out-of-whack. From what I understand, after Chernobyl, there was a huge migration of workers [mostly men] out of the area. Such a gender difference I think makes for an interesting cultural force, with women being more approachable, more curious than normal.

I cannot comment on discos there because I never went to one, never had to. While Gomel is not a beautiful city, there were a number of lovely parks and outdoor cafes in which I easily struck up conversations with girls. I met a beautiful college student last summer, who spoke "functional" English, who I spent two entire days with. I never had a pro in Gomel and I recall having a bit of hassle taking my girl to my room at the Best Eastern.

Don't limit yourself to discos and bars. Women are everywhere, just be friendly and not creepy and they will respond. Belarussians may very well have the biggest hearts in Europe.

Zizz

BigthDikth
10-14-05, 20:30
I looked into the radiation situation in Belarus and found some foods are best left alone, especially in Gomel.

There is a lot of misinformation out there regarding the radiation problems in Belarus. This is because some people want to magnify the problem to slow the use of nuclear energy and on the other side the Belarusian government wants to sweep the problem under the rug because it does not have the money to fix the problem. Can you imagine the amount of money it would take to make that country free of radiation? What comes after trillions?

When I was researching the problem I was emailing one person who's organization sent him to Minsk for the purpose of checking food for radiation. They wanted to know how much food was coming from the south and being sold in Minsk. He did find some foods that were higher than normal but was thrown out of the country before he could complete his research. He was telling me people in the south are repopulating the polluted areas and the government is allowing this to happen.

Zizz Bang
10-14-05, 22:55
Any discussion about radiation in Belarus needs to reference this map:

http://www.belarusguide.com/images/nature/Chornobyl_Radiation96.jpg

Personally, I would not eat meat in Belarus but I'm practically a vegetarian anyway. There is no FDA equivalent in the country, much of the food being purchased directly from the multitude of farmers in the country.

But, again, none of this nuclear contamination would prevent me from visiting the beautiful girls in southern Belarus. It really isn't an issue unless you live there.

Zizz

Eros74
10-15-05, 01:39
Thank You very much for the infos about Gomel, I am very curious to go there!

I am thinking about beginning of new year.

Take care, ciao

Felix Nordic
10-17-05, 21:20
Essi!

You will love Belarus I hope:) Its the haven left in Europe.... And you can get young girls between 18-20....

From what I know Minsk is safe from radiation. Still be carefull about some foods. Ask where the food comes from. From the northern parts food are safe. I know some people from Belarus that for instance doesnt eat any mushrooms. Many other eat what they like... Some actually belive that you have to drink even more vodka to protect yourself from the radioactivity!!!

I rather make love to as many girls as possible!

For a short term stay I dont think you have to worry too much.


Cheers and have fun!

//Felix

Diet Cola
10-20-05, 22:12
Gomel has one of the highest female:male ratios in the entire world.Must be all that radiation. :)

Volpone
10-28-05, 18:15
That's a trip that I made in 2003. I don't think that the situation has changed a lot in Minsk. So I think that the informations here will still be valuable. Things doesn't seem to change a lot during these 2 last years, what it's not the case for Ukraine for ex.

I spent about 20 days in Minsk. I only stayed in Minsk, so I can not tell you about others cities in Belarus.
Minsk is a city with more than 1 million people and there is metros.

First day of the trip.

I arrived from Warshaw by train. A whole long day in the train. At my arrival at the train station, nobody was there to pick me up. A woman should be there to drive to me to the apartment, that I booked in advance on the net.
So I asked a young chick, who was with a male, if I could use her mobile phone so that I could call the lady, who take care of my renting.
The train station was quite new, it was like a building in Western Europe, but I had a bad feeling to arrive with money on me and nobody to pick me up. Fortunately it was the end of the afternoon, much better time than arriving by night.

I spoke with the woman, who rented me the flat, and I went with a taxi to the adress. I waited for the cleaning lady. I noticed that everything was soviet styles and that the toilet stunk [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) cat..

Volpone
10-28-05, 18:37
So the second day, in the morning, I called a normal girl, that I was in touch on the web. She is a doctor and she told me that I should be registered at a special office. My lodger say exactly the opposite.

As the doctor was busy, she had a buisness trip, I call a beautiful 19, at least the foto that she sent to me. She spoke good English and she was really beautiful. We spent a few hours together.

Then I went back to the apartment and I found a newspaper with adds. I try to call some professional of Minsk, but no one seem to speak or to understand English.
At that time I couldn't speak Russian, I just knew some words, but not enough to speak it.

After about 8 calling, I talked to a girl in English and she could understand me. What a miracle....I gave to the girl an adress very near my flat and when I met the girl, I didn't feel like having sex with her....

So after 2 days in Minsk, I haven't had sex. Why?
Because I could call girls on the phone, but they usually could not understand my really poor Russian or they didn't want to understand English or they really couldn't.
Furthermore I didn't have a mobile, so I couldn't call on mobile phone with the phone of the apartment, what reduce my luck of succes.

After a few days I decided to go to an hotel and just to stay at a bar.
It was the second time that I went out by night. The first time I just chat up 2 girls and I spent the whole evening with them, but impossible to go out with them.
So I was at the bar, and a tall blond girl talked to me. So we went to my flat and after 5 days, I had at least sex.

Of course I met some prostitutes in the street, but what I didn't really like, what I saw. But you will see the rest of my stay was better.....than the beginning.

One thing that was very good, it was very easy to meet normal girls. You just have to contact them on the web and it walks very good....Lots of them can speak English.

Volpone
10-29-05, 11:37
So I paid that tall blond girl 60 dollars for 2 times sex. But at the end we only did it one time. She wanted to go home and she started to steal everything good that I had in the fridge. It was a bad idea to have taken that girl, it was only that I really felt like having sex. She was a 6 on the scale of beauty.

Next day I decided to try one more time to call for an escort. And it works. I met her near my apartment and she looked good. She could speak a little bit of English and we had sex 2 times in 1 hour for 25 dollars, the normal price in Minsk, except in hotels. But if go to an apartment and if a girl comes to your home, you should pay from 20-30 dollars for one shot or for 1 hour....no more.
For the night, the price is 80-100 dollars...

Volpone
10-30-05, 14:50
Any foreign people have to register if they stay more than 3 days.
Of course you need a visa, I had the visa, but I didn't register.

Registration means to loose lots of time and everybody will speak in Russian.
As long as no cops will check you in the street, you won't have a problem.
I avoided the police, but as they are everywhere, it was quite difficult.

When I went out, they just had a look at my pass and they didn't bother me.

Volpone
10-30-05, 15:01
I was a bit more lucky with adds.
I could go to some others apartments in Minsk, where I paid the usual price.
I got one young beautiful teacher of primary school. What a great time with her....

I also was in a streap-club. There you pay about 10 dollars to get into. Then the girl dance right in front of you and touch you with her legs.
That's another way to have a girl for the night.....And that's what I did. I just gave her my phone number and the day after, she called me......

Conclusion.
Minsk is perfect if you know a bit of Russian, so you can go to apartments and your sex life would be better.
It's a perfect destination to meet students or normal girls. They usually speak a bit or good English, and as there are not many tourists, they really want to meet you....

Belarus is better than Ukraine to meet girls. It's a bit more difficult in Ukraine than in Belarus, even if Ukraine is still interesting. Furthermore there are some differences between the cities in Ukraine, I mean to meet normal girls....In some cities, it's easier than others......And it depends on many aspects how you look, how much money how have on your bank account, etc...

I had some hard time and some really good moment.
I would agree, anyway to go back for a few weeks....

Arsene Lupin
11-12-05, 11:42
Hello guys,

I was in Minsk a couple of weeks ago.

It's easy to find a nice girl in the lobby of the hotel (Minsk Hotel).

But I went to the Madison Club : I have never seen so many beauties. The main problem is that I do not speak any word of russian.

A couple of days after I left Minsk, I received an email from Tanya : "30 $ hour , 100$Night . My phone +375 XXXXXXX Minsk" with some photos.

If you are interrested in the phone n, pm me.

Best regards.

Sweeet
11-17-05, 06:28
Any foreign people have to register if they stay more than 3 days.
Of course you need a visa, I had the visa, but I didn't register.

Registration means to loose lots of time and everybody will speak in Russian.
As long as no cops will check you in the street, you won't have a problem.
I avoided the police, but as they are everywhere, it was quite difficult.

When I went out, they just had a look at my pass and they didn't bother me.The three days does not include the weekend, so if you arrive on Thursday, Friday or Saturday you have five days to register. I was never stopped by police on the street asking to see my papers, but one visit lasted nine days and I didn't register. When passing through immigration at Minsk-2 I was asked for registration, but I just acted like I didn't know what the woman was saying and she just stamped my passport. Maybe travelling by train is different.

I recommend you register if you stay longer than a week, hotels will do this as a courtesy but if you are staying in an apartment (which I recommend) make sure your apartment manager will take care of this. If you are lucky you could have lunch at a hotel and kindly ask a girl working in the reception to register you.

Drjoker69
11-18-05, 07:57
Hi,

I'm looking for an affordable apartment in Minsk, but the cheapest I can find on the internet was $900 USD per month. I'm just looking for an apartment that is close to the subway (metro), safe, furnished, and available in September 2006. Must have utilities (gas, electricity) hooked up.

Not necessary, but availability is a plus; internet access and all bills paid.

I thought that living in a third world country is cheap, but $900 USD a month is more than what I pay here in the US! I am a retiree on a fixed budget.

Please let me know.

Thanks,

Drjoker69.

Volpone
11-20-05, 16:57
If I remember well, try to check www.belarusrent.com, but I think it will be expensive too.

Another way would be to get in touch with a girl or a few on internet. You could ask them to help you when you arrive there.
Don't forget not many tourists in Minsk, so they would be very glad to help you and to practice their knowledge of English or other European languages...
So you will perhaps stay just 2 nights in a cheap hotel in Minsk and then with her help, you could find something. Of course she also could find something for you in advance...

Volpone
11-20-05, 17:05
I've just been on the website and they have furnished apartments for 30 Euros a day.
But if you rent it for a month, you can surely get about 20 Euros a month, what would be around 700 dollars.

Maharadjah
11-20-05, 17:35
I second Volpone.
The best way is to have contact with a local (girl or man). There are many options in local newpapers which are cheaper.
Be sure to ask for "western standart" to have a confortable flat.
MR

Volpone
11-20-05, 17:59
Furthermore the apartment that you would pay for 30 Euro a night would be surely a SOVIET style. Not so good....
The renting for a small soviet style apartment is around 100 dollars a month and that's even quite possible less. If it's in the center, it should be a bit more....

So you could rent for 2 nights an apartment for 60 Euros and then with the help of somebody you could surely find a small modern Western style apartment in the center around 500 or 600 dollars a month...

Drjoker69
11-20-05, 18:46
Hi,

Are these guys any good for apartments? They have apartments for just $700 USD a month. Still a bit pricey, though. Maybe I can find something else once I get there.
http://www.apartments-minsk.com/index.html

By the way, I'm thinking of retiring in some northern former eastern bloc city for 6 months during the summer and some southern asian country (Thailand seems good) in the winter. All these reports of how easy it is to find a girlfriend there has got me interested in Gomel and Minsk.

However, correct me if I'm wrong, but visas for Belarus are only good for 1 month?! Can I do a monthly Visa Run like they do in Thailand where I go to the border and pay a couple of bucks then re-enter? I heard that visa extensions are a bureacratic nightmare. So, guys, what's the scoop on visa extensions? Thanks.

Much appreciation,

Drjoker69.

Zizz Bang
11-20-05, 22:42
Describing Minsk (and the rest of Belarus) as "a Third World country" is either insulting or naive. If you go in with this mentality you will be shocked. These people are better educated, more interested in culture and more curious than we are (I'm speaking as an American). That's why the women are so damn appealing.

Volpone
11-20-05, 22:57
Yes Zizz Bang is right.
Many people read lots of books in Belarus. Furthermore culture is important to them. Moreover the level of their universities is perhaps as high as in Western Europe.....

The only thing is that most of them have very low salary in comparaison of Western Europe. Fortunately they have a social system what is not really the case in many countries of the third world.

Svenson75
11-21-05, 00:54
Describing Minsk (and the rest of Belarus) as "a Third World country" is either insulting or naive. If you go in with this mentality you will be shocked. These people are better educated, more interested in culture and more curious than we are (I'm speaking as an American). That's why the women are so damn appealing.Dude, this is probably your first exposure to the former USSR and you are probably an overimpressed newbie (I am also speaking as an American). Go spend a semester studying at one of their Universities like I did and you will see how cheap (not only literally speaking but quality-wise) and under-resourced their education system is. I'll tell you right now that Minsk State Linguistics University would probably be ranked next to some local inner city community college in Detroit in quality of instruction.

Almost everyone may have some form of a higher education; you will see that usually the most popular subjects (foreign languages/inyaz, "international political economics", so they call it, or probably some useless technical field) leads to almost nothing in their job market. Everything is run out of the pockets of Lukashenko's gang-clan of secret oligarchs.

They will always appear to be "curious" when you meet them initially, but as you live with them, you will develop a very good perception of their Lost Empire Complex.

Countries like Iran and Argentina are in a similar boat; "rich in the culture", highly educated but economically trashed. Welcome to the Third World.

Drjoker69
11-21-05, 03:02
Chill out,

You're thinking too much! You're at the computer too much and not out getting enough p*ssy! Hey, that's my condition, too! Hmmm.

You're reading too much into my words. What I mean by third world is simply that they have a developing economy. The literacy rate there is 100%. Compare this with the American literacy rate of 97%. There is ballet and opera available every day except Monday at the National Opera and Ballet Theater. What's more the tickets cost no more than just $1 ! Compare this with a night at the opera here in Dallas, Texas: $80 for the nosebleed section and $250-$420 for a decent seat! Televisions are a lot more expensive and the programming sucks so there's not much to watch anyways. What does this mean? This means that they watch less TV such as WWF and Gary Springer, but they're highly educated and go to the opera and ballet more often.

In other words, I'm going there precisely because I can find educated, cultured, classy ladies and live at a lower cost. All I can find here in the US are either WWF and Gary Springer watching, Mc Donald eating, fat chicks or ultra high maintenance ingrate hotties.

Anyways, thanks for the info,

Drjoker69.


Describing Minsk (and the rest of Belarus) as "a Third World country" is either insulting or naive. If you go in with this mentality you will be shocked. These people are better educated, more interested in culture and more curious than we are (I'm speaking as an American). That's why the women are so damn appealing.

Korpolo
12-11-05, 21:47
Hi,

Is there ay one here will be in Belarus at coming two months.

Omarbahar
12-14-05, 22:40
Hi Jim,

I'm planning a trip to Belarus and would like to arrange dates with some top escorts can you please help me out. Can you give me some contacts for Hot model like Escorts, I would like to be prepaired before I go.

I am 32 never been to Belarus, do you recomend a guide while I am there.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Omar

Volpone
01-18-06, 22:28
Some website for those, who are interested in meeting normal girls in Belarus....

www.matchdoctor.com
www.cupidbay.com

If you can read Russian, you can try these one.

www.gala.net
www.bigmir.net

You click on znakomstva.

Eros74
01-19-06, 03:41
www.cupidbay.com seems the same of www.partneri.sk that I used with very little sucessful,may be are the same with different name?

Am I wrong?

Maharadjah
01-19-06, 10:46
You can also use
love.date.by
or
love.tut.by ,
which are more specific for Belarus, if you are confortable with russian (else use a good translator)

MR

GabrielPontello
02-07-06, 14:32
Once in this beautiful and extremely cold city (-23 2 days ago), you realize that mongering has not to be your primary effort
I made several calls to locals numbers founded on minskgirls but the most didn't speak any english or was not reachable
just was lucky with 1 girl, speaking both english and spanish, Margareta, that was a sos so experience
anyway I had more fun going to 3 different discos (Much Show, West World, Madison)

if you're looking for a place to monger, forget this place
if you're lloking for something different, like a romantic experience, go straight to Minsk and you'll find what you think
however, you have to be aware that you'll be expected to invest a lot of time to score because these girls are really serious and sweethearted
usually they are such high school girls

the environment (city, services, etc.) is very good but if you don't speak any russian or you have none there to help, you may have some difficulty

Langer
02-24-06, 12:03
Hi

Does anyone have contact numbers for the Escort agencies that have English, or the exact location of the street action?

Thanks
Langer

Bez Bezarra
02-24-06, 13:06
That's the problem with Minsk, the agencies don't make themselves
readily available to visitors that don't speak russian.

You have 2 options. You can try to find a knowledgable taxi driver
who will assist you for a percentage of the deal.

Or you can stumble your way through the personal section of the
local magazine, and get yelled at and hung up on by most of the
mamachkas, and call every number listed until one of them
understands that you just want a dyev, and you'll pay. Then you
gotta pray that they send you a 7 or better, instead of a 5 or 6.

BigthDikth
02-24-06, 20:18
West World disco and the hotel attached to it will have some high priced average looking hookers around it. Most with a rushed and bad attitude.

The problem with Minsk is hookers are looked down upon so the quality, attitude, price and availability is not good.

Also the Mafia, or I should say the government, controls everything and they would like you to go to the high priced strip clubs for drinks, the show and pussy. Anything else that would compete with those few clubs are shut down. There are only a few clubs and they are more expensive than in America.

That said, you can find what you are looking for if you are lucky, speak Russian, have the time and have the pussy god looking down upon you with a smile. Or you can just go to Kiev!

Doctor_Skank
02-24-06, 20:51
I have yet to visit Minsk, but cant say that it is moving up on my list. Seems that basically what everybody is saying is that Minsk sucks for mongering, and that if you are looking for freebies/sport fucking in EE, have "game", can speak decent Russian and dont mind the "Sovietness" of Belarus, you might do OK there... maybe be even as happy as you would be in easily-accessible, western-friendly, comparitively-cheap Kiev?

In other words, why go to Minsk?

Apparently its neither cheap nor particulary fun, not easy to get to or maneuver in once there, lacks accessible p4p or decent clubs/night life.

I've been to several EE countries and numerous EE cities and have yet to find the El Dorado of pussy... or maybe I actually have, but am just to blind to see it... seems to me though that Minsk/Belarus only makes sense for business travellers or earnest bride-seekers... hobby mongers will be happier in Ukraine, Russia, Czech Republic or elsewhere.

Horny469
02-27-06, 14:50
Hello members,

any one can tell us more about individual safety in Minsk... i have been there and everyday i am there i was not feeling comfortable...

At that time i was with friends.. so i was relaxed..i am planning to go again with no friends there..

any recomendations?

Thanks

Felix Nordic
02-27-06, 21:49
Horny;

I think that Minsk is the safest capital of the former soviet union. Perhaps the safets EE city. The hastle is the police and bureaucracy. Ofcourse you should always be wise and try to avoid the shabby blocks. Street wise as elsewhere in this world goes for Belarus as well.

/Felix

Eros74
02-28-06, 00:16
Why, if you was already there, you just not write few lines as report?

Are you afraid to share so "precious" infos that you want to get for yourself?

Come on man!

P.S. to answer to your "hard" question, yes, I listen that there is a wolf that during the night eats turist alone... :)

Bez Bezarra
02-28-06, 00:46
Walking home alone for 10 blocks from WestWorld at 1 or 2 or
even 3 AM, you usually notice a few guys walking around.

Never made eye contact with them as we passed each other.

So if you're alone walking around in the middle of the night,
always look over your shoulder, make sure nobody's following you.


For your own sake, why not carry a sharp blade that you can slice their
throat or face, if they're going to jump you anyway you might as
well make them understand that you're crazier than they are.
Or just relax and take a taxi. During the day, there's no need to
worry about anything. Byelorussians are the nicest people!
Really friendly and even easier to talk to.

I know that sounds extreme and harsh, but hell, there are low life
scumbag murdering theives anywhere. For example, they just
arrested one particularly filthy fuckwad who liked to bar-b-que
and play loud music on weekends, but for each of the last 3 Fridays,
he ambush-murdered 3 different victims that he just happened upon
and followed until he shot and robbed them, then took their credit
cards to Wal-Mart to buy groceries.

HEY GANDY DID YOU WRITE A MONGERING REPORT ON NOVOPLOTSK?

GandJim
02-28-06, 02:30
I think that Minsk is the safest capital of the former soviet union. Perhaps the safets EE city. The hastle is the police and bureaucracy.
I fully agree with Felix here and I would go even further: the bureaucracy is a hassle, but not even the police (not like in Moscow).

I go regularly to Belarus, at least twice a year, and you can see from my detailed reports that I look like the perfect stupid tourist, but I never ever had a problem anywhere in Minsk, or even in more remote cities (just went to Novopolotsk 5 months ago).

Jim

CharlieH
02-28-06, 05:12
Yes, Minsk is very safe compares to Moscow or any Russian city. I went out for a drink and took the metro back to my hotel at 6am in the morning. It was still dark (December) but I felt very safe whereas when I am in Russia I'm constatntly looking over my shoulders.

The police are not a problem, either. They are everywhere but they never bothered to hassle me or asked me for documents. This is also different than Russia. And yes, I also look like the perfect tourist. I heard people wispering (wondering where I'm from) when I walked by them. Also had some stranger pay the band to play for me and my date at a restaurant because I am a foreigner.... I really fucking standout in Minsk! But Belarussian people are "reservedly friendly" and nonthreating.

But I think Minsk is dull. Moscow or Russia although has many potential problems and hassles or dangers, can be more exciting and fun.

Felix Nordic
02-28-06, 18:25
I fully agree with Felix here and I would go even further: the bureaucracy is a hassle, but not even the police (not like in Moscow).

I go regularly to Belarus, at least twice a year, and you can see from my detailed reports that I look like the perfect stupid tourist, but I never ever had a problem anywhere in Minsk, or even in more remote cities (just went to Novopolotsk 5 months ago).

Jim

Well, I might have different experiences of Belarus since ive been going to Belarus by car. I can tell that custom procedures take between 2-5 hours! My goodness Belarus police are on the alert... ;) They are frequently along the roads, especially in some towns close to borders.

I also got herassed by the sequrity police for filming one of the presidents buildings. Besides this the police dont make much trouble. I have had worse herassments in Moldova.

/Felix

GandJim
02-28-06, 19:44
Felix,

Aaahhh, I see. I misunderstood what you meant by police hassle. I thought you were talking about what the militia does in Moscow, i.e. stopping you to check your papers when you're walking home with a girl and, even if everything is in order, pretend they are not just to take some bribe from you.

If you're talking about police "slow bureaucracy" and permanent presence in the streets. I agree with you. ;) Let's put in another way, the police can be a pain, but they are not corrupted and do not hassle you for money.

Jim

Horny469
03-01-06, 14:36
Felix Nordic
Lukasek
Bez Bezarra
GandJim
CharlieH

Thanks for sharing information..

Lukasek i really do not have a report as i was with my GF.. now i am free
i just wanted to add that at one night a drunk dude in a minimarket 4 am started some herassments to me and my GF and she translated what he said... " he will kill us" because he thought that she also is a foreigners...

Eros74
03-01-06, 22:12
After 50 times in Czech and Slovak Republic in last 8 years and in other east europe countries, you cannot believe how many times I met drunk people told me things as you listen, but the only time I felt in "danger" was in Recife and during the day...

Even if you was with your GF, you can write many many things if you only want... where you met her? Which is your point of view of Belarussian women? What about the city? If you had contact eyes during the day, the place you went...

Just tons of useful infos you could write, if only you'd want....

Langer
03-11-06, 17:22
Hi Guys

Which of the discos would you guys recommend Much Show, West World, or Madison?

Anyone know the locations of street action?

Langer

GandJim
03-13-06, 00:11
Anyone know the locations of street action?

Langer
About 6 months ago, its was still mostly on Masherow Avenue (in particular the bus stops near hotel Yubileinaya and the Moscow Cinema House) and on Frantsisk Skorina Avenue (in particular the bus stops in front of the Circus and near Pobedy Square). Another pick up place is the parking space next to Yakub Kolas Square.

Will be back there end of April, will give an update if you go after me.

Jim

PS: By the way, it's Max Show, not Much Show ;)

Sour Honey
03-13-06, 08:56
Hey Jim.... see you in a month!
A small note. Franziska Skarini prospect changed name .... uh ... I don't know which is the new one! People there can address you to the right place, but don't seek for the name Skarini! on the corners of the streets!

Yes, Langer, Jim is right.
But don't forget that normally those girls are really NOT partecipating. May be nice (some can be a 7) but "horrible" in work.
Moreover, Police will stop you for sure if you go up and down the same street. And don't think to do U-turn where you cannot! (normally you can every 1 Km!) The fee is 80.000 Rubles (40$).

Much better to use an agency (normally hidden, because of the strict laws against prostitution).

You can use "http://www.minskgirls.net/index.php". Sadly, I didn't use them from a while (6 months) and things may be changed. But normally you do not go wrong with them. (Uh... apart the necessity to speak a bit of russian ....:-) )

GandJim
03-13-06, 10:47
Hi SourHoney,

Yep, see you in a month in Minsk! Thanks for the info about change of street name, but I've never been able to read street name in cyrillic anyway :(. Still walking around with my old English transliterated map like a perfect tourist. That's why I also need a guide :D.

Concerning the agencies, well, .... I'm waiting for "a certain" agency to start business ;).

Jim

PS: Saw your post recommending a GiA girl for my following stop in Kiev but,...., Anna will probably come with me to Kiev :(. Now, if you are also in Kiev at the same time, maybe you can take Anna out for dinner, won't you? :D Just kidding, I still enjoy each and every minute with her.

Sour Honey
03-13-06, 17:12
Hi SourHoney,
Concerning the agencies, well, .... I'm waiting for "a certain" agency to start business ;).

OK ...here are a couple of pics of the first WG working in THAT agency (20 Years old ....REAL!)
(oh! .... this means that I can be with Anna when you will be ... there? //Joking... I will be with my GF//)

FKKguide
03-23-06, 19:50
Reading this makes me wish for the good old days before Lukashenko. Spent some great times at the Planeta Hotel with 9-10/10 hookers for USD10-20. The only hotel I ever was in with a condom vending machine right next to the reception! I told them then they were heading for Fashizm and I was right.


Well, I might have different experiences of Belarus since ive been going to Belarus by car. I can tell that custom procedures take between 2-5 hours! My goodness Belarus police are on the alert... ;) They are frequently along the roads, especially in some towns close to borders.

I also got herassed by the sequrity police for filming one of the presidents buildings. Besides this the police dont make much trouble. I have had worse herassments in Moldova.

/Felix

FKKguide
03-23-06, 20:15
Describing Minsk (and the rest of Belarus) as "a Third World country" is either insulting or naive. If you go in with this mentality you will be shocked. These people are better educated, more interested in culture and more curious than we are (I'm speaking as an American). That's why the women are so damn appealing.I spent some time in the old USSR and Minsk was my favorite city, due to the great looking, elegant, well educated females, the local cultural scene and the architecture. Anybody know if there is any action now like there used to be at the Planeta Hotel?

Bez Bezarra
03-24-06, 13:48
Anybody know if there is any action now like there used to be at the Planeta Hotel?

Yes there is "some" availablility.
Probably one or two prostitutes hang around.
But you can forget about any "good old days".

Those times are long gone into the history books
and ain't never coming back, so do not expect
to find anything but difficulty, unless your idea
of success is paying $200 (or at the least $150),
for a 6/10. And that's probably the best you'll find.

On the other hand, sometimes those 6's go very far
out of their way to make you feel very welcome in
their country. One 20 year old university student
chowed down on my schlong for a 45 minute deep
throat session that sent me into orbit. And that was
only $30, so I couldn't complain about the fact that
she was really a 4 or 5 when her service was a 10!

The frustrating part is seeing plenty of 8's and 9's
walking around that just aren't available. But that's
basically the same anywhere you go.

At the disco's, maybe a 7 or very rare 8, but more
likely 6's at best. Yes of course you'll see one 9 or 10,
but they are not "available", they're just there having
fun with boyfriends or girlfriends and they are not *****s.
I asked my new friend, who was probably a 7 or 8, to
ask at least a half dozen hotter 8's, 9's, and a 10, if
they were available at ANY price, and they all said "Nyet!"

Eros74
03-25-06, 00:50
"The frustrating part is seeing plenty of 8's and 9's
walking around that just aren't available."

"if they were available at ANY price, and they all said "Nyet!"

Why???

Regular are hard to pick up during the day?

The '8,'9 are not pro? Strange, do you mean pro are only 6'?

Thanks man!

Bez Bezarra
03-25-06, 02:03
My russian isn't good enough to just pick up girls walking around.

Sure you can make friends pretty easy, I met some cuties in the
park and spent a while chatting, they even gave me their cell phone.

But when I tried to get them to come to my flat, they said no, no,
that's not what nice girls do. Calling them over the next few days
didn't get them to change their minds. When I made a final plea
to be an extra generous sponsor, I think they thought about it,
but perhaps they were just too shy or even were offended.

I only tried Minsk once, and the one cool taxi driver I met, I never
called him to show me what he knew as far as inside connections.
So I was 100% on my own, and only saw it from an outside point
of view.

I also spent half my time with a freebie, who was extremely nice,
and hot, but not romantic at all, so it only made me more frustrated.

Do you get it?

Luka, you should ask Jim Gandy, he's been back several times.

Bez Bezarra
03-25-06, 16:24
Perhaps this isn't the best week to visit Minsk anyway.

Riot police in the streets beating the political protesters
over the head with their batons.

Mongering may not be so safe, if you're a foreigner visiting
they may suspect you are there for other reasons.

Maybe waiting for the opposition to be completely crushed
is the best decision.

Eros74
03-26-06, 01:41
Yes I got it :)

I never been in Bielo but I had to meet in red sea with 30yo engineering very nice from Minsk,but she went there with friend,female, and she did not gave me the feeling I could have sex with her so at the end I did not go and I went to slovakia where I feel as home

Also I agree a meeting with 28 yo nice divorced with daughter from Brest in Krakow, she travelled all the night from Brest to Warsaw and then to Krakow, I had to go to Krakow byt plane but in end of january the airport in Bergamo was closed at the last moment for snow, so she came back to Warsaw and the home Brest, I was so sorry but can I did? Not so far by car but too much snow in that period all over the europe.

However I get the feeling they are more friendly than girls in Moscow and Piter even if they speak english as I speak japanese...

Bez I wrote you cause I have your feeling in Moscow and Piter, everywhere so nice pussy but, the regular, not so easy to pick up, very pity.

Maybe the problem is the language, my russian is little and that I felt not at home in Russia,maybe too shy, but in Slovakia, where the girls have generally better salary, they can also come to Western Europe without visa, the girls are much more easier to pick up.

Yeah surely in this period not good idea to go there if you are not friend of Alexander :)

But sometimes I will surely go to Minsk...I must!

Bez Bezarra
03-26-06, 02:55
But sometimes I will surely go to Minsk...I must!

No doubt, brother.

EVERYONE should go to Minsk, at least once. It should be on the
required list of all slavic mongerers destinations.

Rocko1
04-20-06, 05:16
Hi everybody!

I am very interested to travel around September-October to Moldova, Belarus or Ukraine for 10-14 days, even more. None of my close friends can or want to come along, I am social type of person and dont want to go alone. Want to ask if someone is interested to meet me or go together. The purpose is exploring and meeting as many girls as possible, having good time, visiting bars and sightseeings. I am more interested in normal girls, but want to meet prostitutes as well. I speak perfect russian, but I am not russian myself, so I am not warried about anything there. Now I am using some russian dating sites to make some friends there, something like small insurance!!! If anyone is interested, can sand me private message. We can form a good hunting team. I am 31.

NeilSydney
04-26-06, 15:28
Rocko, I'll be travelling Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Russia either in the summer months or in September. This will be my 3rd trip so I have some basic understanding of where to go, though I speak little Russian. I'd be happy to hunt with you if the timing works. Btw, I'm 25.

Walter88
04-26-06, 21:47
Guy's let's update the whole scene in Minsk. GandJim's post has been the best so far. So I will start with that. BTW I am in my 20's and a pretty handsome even if a little bit out of shape. I speak basic Russian at least enough to get an address and so on on the phone, to talk to Taxi drivers, and to make a basic approach to girls. I have been in Minsk for several weeks and will be here intermittently through the rest of the year.

GENERAL SUMMARY:

The scene here is so much worse than in Moscow! You can be dumb and blind and find what you want in Moscow. Here is it a different story. So guy's stopping adding to the Moscow, Kiev, St. Petersburg, etc. threads in favor of focusing attention on the city much more useful for this board. Please :-D Everyone can easily find there was around the others: either with the present info in those threads or even with no info at all. But poor Minsk is a different story. All of these nice girls and yet so tough to fuck.


MINSK GIRLS

The first thing that will hit you is the amazing number of young and beautiful girls in the streets. Belarussian girls are certainly amongst the most beautiful girls on earth. Different people have different understanding of beauty, so let me try to explain what I like so much in Belarussian girls.For those of you who have been to St. Petersburg, Kiev and Moscow, do not expect Minsk to be that good. However, there are certainly many Slavic beauties walking around as GandJim says.


1. Not much sun there, so they all have delightfully white and soft skin. No bikini marks here. I can kiss them for hours and, when I come back kissing a girl here or in the US, I have the impression of kissing sanding paper or buffalo skin.

2. Clear and light coloured blue or green eyes. Just hynoptise me.

3. Slim, flat belly. McDonald disaster has not struck yet.

4. Narrow hips, tiny asses. A dream come true.

5. Tall and slender body

6. Long and straight legsThey are shorter than St. Petersburg, blonder than Moscow, maybe a little more Polishness than Kiev but they are actually a bit heavier than their Russian and Ukrainian counterparts. You can see some fat girls around. Such is not the case in Moscow, Pete, and Kiev right now. Most are of course in pretty good shape.


7. And if you go into details, light pink tits and (other) lips ;).

8. Last, but not least, they are gentle, tender, warm, eager to please. They are real sweethearts and I'm seeing some of them just for the pleasure of their company, not for sex.

70% of the girls in the streets are like that. You'll have hard time finding a fat girl. More than half of them have a beautiful face too. 15%-20% are real stunners. Heaven on earth.Well, I suppose everyone has different standard but I do not find 15% of them stunning. But they are typically Slavic sweet.


And they are all over the places. If you are young (I mean under say 35 yr old) and decent looking (I say decent, not even nice looking or handsome), you won't even have to pay to have sex. You can approach them and start a conversation, they won't lift their nose up and turn their back to you thinking "I'm a Goddess and unapproachable" like they do here.Well I think that they are more approachable than in the US, but even after several weeks I still don't have a girlfriend. Maybe I am too picky or something I have done is wrong. But they are not all falling over themselve to get to me, and I pretty well off. Plus so far they want a large investment of time for sex. They seem to be much more old fashioned and reserved about sex than in Russia. Actually many more are virgins than other places. Anyway, I don't know how it would be if you spoke fluent Russian, but there are not that many that truely speak enough English for a real relationship. And at least until now the less than great English speakers want too much before sex-- presents and who knows how much time and dates.


Unfortunately for me, I'm over 50 and not decent looking. So I have to pay for sex :(. Just kidding. In fact, I prefer to pay, so there is no misunderstanding when I ask the girl to leave the next morning and not wanting to see her again. If you're like me, here's some help.That's where pay for play comes in! Right :-D To hold a guy over until the relationship is sealed.


In principle, prostitution is illegal in Belarus. Therefore, there are only a few night clubs, where you have strip-tease or lap dancing, but no sex. Escort agencies do not advertise openly on the web; they don't say they are in Belarus and don't give phone number on their site. A few girls advertise on the web, at their own risks. It's mainly a "word-of-mouth" business. In newspaper, there are no photos and girls are just looking for "acquaintances".The Options:

STRIP CLUBS

Versus. Enterance $20, $50 dollars for a private dance which lasts for 10 minutes along the wall on a couch, some touching but depends on the dancer-- I would suggest to confirm up front. A few of them are damn hot. Some speak some English. Next you can have a short small dance for like a minute or maybe 2 for about 10,000 rubles ($5) but it is a tip that depends on you . . . starting at 5,000 rubles. You can pay for a girl to sit with you for half on hour for $30. You can talk to her and maybe grab her butt, stroke her a little bit, and try to get her to let you pay for her outside the club. I was not able to get any of them to meet me outside the club. Also the club is small and has maybe 12 dancers.

HOTEL GIRLS


If you stay in a hotel and are not accompanied, chances are that you will receive a telephone call asking if you want company. There are also girls staying in the lobby. They speak English. They are however not the most attractive, some look well worn-out, and are expensive. For the sake of research, I asked some girls at hotel Belarus, and they wanted 150 USD overnight, which usually mean until 6-7am. There were 7-8 girls that night, only one doable for me.I am not staying in a hotel, but I did go to Minsk hotel on a Friday and Saturday night. I did not see any pro's at the bar when I stopped in to look (at 10 and 12). (How can you tell if they are pro? In this case no one was there so I could tell ;-D )

DISCO GIRLS


Next to hotel Belarus, there is a disco, WestWorld. It opens as from 8pm, but there in nobody before midnight or even 1am.

Some working girls sitting at the bars there. They speak English. Same price as in the hotel. A real stunner asked me 200 USD overnight, but remember I look like the perfect tourist.

Younger (or more decent looking) guys just have to approach the normal girls there and talk to them. My private guide asked a group of young girls if any of them would be interested in making a few extra bucks with me : 80 to 100 USD overnight, for girls looking twice better than the pros.

In WestWorld, there is a strip club upstairs, called Dolls. To be avoided : small room with lap dancing only. The girls going pole dancing for free in the public area are better than the lap dancing girls in Dolls.I am interested in checking out the club scene in Minsk. Went to Reactor. Supposed to be a student hang out. I had absolutely no luck, but it was not very crowded at all (bad night).

Went to Madison Club. There were a number of hot babes. I approached dozens of girls. Many did not even want to speak to me. Most could not speak very good English. I could not find any pro's and none of any of the girls were interested in anything with me that night other than free drinks. Got a few fake phone numbers. One girl asked me to dance with her and then ran away afterwards. Quite a bust! Any tips about this club or my approach. Usually I just said hello or zdrastvoitye and then maybe "Do you speak any English?" in Russian or maybe "I hope you speak English because I like you." in English. A few times I asked if they were working in Russian. I have no idea how to tell if they are pro's. Also it would be nice to have a guide who could show me the ropes and proposition semi-pro's or non-pro's for me. If anyone know one, PM me.

STREET GIRLS


They stay at bus stops, mainly on Masherow Avenue (in particular the stops near hotel Yubileinaya and the Moscow Cinema House) and on Frantsisk Skorina Avenue (in particular the stops in front of the Circus and near Pobedy Square). Usually, there are about 10 girls at these bus stops already by 10pm but, last week, they came out only after midnight and there were only about 5-6 per bus stop. Maybe there is something to do with the 60 year celebration. My guide asked a stunning girl with legs to die for. She asks 40 USD one hour, 100 USD overnight. The other ones must be cheaper. Many of these girls don't speak English.

Another pick up place is the parking space next to Yakub Kolas Square. There you sometimes have one or two mamouchkas. You stop in the parking, she comes to you to tell you the girls she has. if you're interested, she then calls the girl(s) who are hidden somewhere nearby. I went back there last Monday by 11pm, but there were no mamouchkas that night. Don't know if they change places or aren't there yet.

To pick these girls, you just ask a taxi to drive you around and ask the price for you. They all know the places (and certainly places I don't know about).The Street Scene has been very bad of late. It seems as if the police are bound to eliminate it. The price is $40 for an hour and $100 for the night-- according to a few taxi drivers the price is standardized, so no need to pay more if they try to add the foreigner tax. The hots spots are along Prospect Skariny (Nesivisimosty) from the circus until past Maxshow. Also on Marasheva as GandJim mentioned. Yakub Kolas seems very dead for pro's now. No mamachka's to speak of! The taxi drivers seem to know where to go, so just hope in with one and he will take you around. All of the official taxis in Minsk are metered and very fair rates. The best time is supposed to be after midnight until 2 with more through until morning. However, I have been out in the early morning and was not able to find any girls except for one ugly one (a Saturday night). Also there was no one out on a Sunday night at 1:00am. I will let you guys know if and where things pick up.

INTERNET GIRLS

http://www.intimby.net http://www.minskgirls.net http://www.date.by Tried one girls from minskgirls.net, she was not the same as in the picture. 21 has children, independent, not very attractive for $50 for the hour. Wanted extra for BBBJ like $10, but then she said it included CIM. Could come 2 times in one hour. Overall, disappointing if you want to enjoy beauty but if you want a BBBJ and CIM, not bad I guess. Not a realible way to find anyone. But perhaps you will hit gold, I don't know. Also you will need to be able to speak some basic Russian to eventually find a girl who doesn't hang up and who might actually come to you.

NEWSPAPER GIRLS


In the local newspaper, you have adds for girls looking for "acquaintances". No photos, and in Russian only. They give some details on them, usually something like "Tatiana, 20/170/58, blonde, bla bla bla, phone number", which means 20 yr old, 170 cm height, 58kg weight. some also add "90/60/90', which are her measurements. By preference, I pick up adds where there are 2 girls.

Indications are usually correct. You have some funny ads like "Olga, 42/164/64". Didn't call her. ;)

They usually do not speak English, so you need to speak Russian fluently (or have somebody calling them for you).

It's hit and miss, as you can't see how they look like. You can hit gold as you can hit shit. My guide called a few for me this time, more in my next report on my trip. Price is 30 USD one hour for most of them.

Some girls will then give you address of her building, but not of her apartment. You need to call her again when you arrive, and she'll give you apartment number and buzz you in, if she hasn't taken another client in the meantime. Remember however that Minsk is well spread out, and it can take you half an hour to get to some outer suburbs.

Some girls can also come to your apartment.Have not tried the newpaper ones yet. Have not seen them in a newpaper actually. Which ones are best? How do you know which are pro's?

ESCORT GIRLS


There are some escort agencies in Minsk, with high class girls looking like top models and speaking English (or German). Problem is again that it's word-of-mouth and email address, phone number changes. Last Sunday, I was not able to contact any agency (all phones switched off). On Monday, I met with Helena's agency, but too late. She only has 2 girls left. Her price is 250 euros for 5-6 hours. After I'm back, she sent me some photos, and she has real stunners. I also got contact too late with Svetlana's and Eva's agencies, who ask for 200 euros for 6 hours. Girls also speak English. I must organise myself better next time.

They don't want their email/phone on a public forum (see above). Serious members actually going to Minsk can PM me.Taxi drivers who have wanted to know the contact info for three years don't know where or how to find them. I would be interested in knowing some numbers, but this scene is very hidden; please PM me if you know anything. Also I would love to know about any massage parlours.

STUDENTS, AMATEURS AND SEMI-PROS


As I said, they are all over the places. As far as I am concerned, I tell my private guide in advance when I come, and she asks her friends for me. Again, I hit gold some times, but some times not. I have seen 20 yr old girls who are still unshaved and didn't even have a condom in her bag, I have seen girls who need money but are still hesitating, and renounce at the last minute. But when it works, I know I've been with a girl who has not been fucked by tens, if not hundreds, of other guys. They have no fixed price, but I always pay them the top price asked by the top escort girls. They are not as stunning, but they are more real.You will need contacts that I don't have to arrange sex for pay with semi- and non-pro's. If you have a guide, who knows where to find them, please PM me. I have a guide, but she doesn't even want to think or hear about sex.


So, in summary, what to go for ? I would usually like to book at least one top level escort girl to be on the safe side for one or 2 nights. Then ? You may try your chances with disco girls some other nights, then maybe street girls, with the risk of going home empty. During the day, you may try an apartment girl in the afternoon, more for the fun of it as I hit shit more than once with this. But the reason for my constant return to Minsk is not the pros, but the students, amateurs and semi-pros. And I give my guide a hard time for this.

CharlieH
04-27-06, 06:22
I agree on many things Walter said.

There's no pros at Minsk hotel. I stayed there during my visit in Minsk. There were always a few beefy securityguards guarding the tiny entrance. And they recognize pretty much all the people staying there, if they see someone who isn't a hotel guest, they'll stop him or her. It happened to my guests.

There were no pros at the lobby whatsoever.

I also agree that Belarussian girls are old fashioned. They're probably good wife materials but if you're only looking for a quick fuck, Minsk isn't the place.

They're also more reserved and quiter than Russians. To sum it up, Belarussian and Polish people are beaten down. Unlike Russians, Belarussians are suspicious about foreigners visiting their country. If you aren't there for business and simply telling them you're there for vacation and to experience their culture, they'll think you're a sex tourist. Russians on the other hand, think they have a proud history and culture. They think they have so much to offer, which they really do. So they won't be suspicious when foreigners travel to Moscow to see the Kremlins, the Bolshoy Theater, etc.

Belarussians sell themselves short. They don't think they have much to offer. That mentality is rather sad. When I approached a girl in a supermarket and asked her out. She first asked me what I was doing in Minsk. I told her I was only there for vacation. Her reaction was rather indignant. Instead of feeling flattered, she was offended. She said to me in perfect English with heavy British accent that if I think Belarussia has the cheapest prostitutes, I'm dead wrong. She said there's nothing to see in her country. I was shocked. I then told her politely that I certainly don't see them that way and I am very interested in Belarussian cuture and so on. She then agreed to go out with me but I changed my mind. I wouldn't want to be with someone that thinks her country only has cheap pizda (pizdi) to offer.

Moral of the story-when asked why you're in Belarus, lie, lie, lie! Tell them you're in there for business. If you tell them you're simply traveling, people will think since their country is so pathetic and has nothing to offer, you must be there for sex.

I think this mentality is even more pathetic then their country's political and economical situation. Like I said, Belarussians and their Polish neighbors have been beaten down for centuries by the Germans, Russians and these days, by their own government. This defeatist/beaten down mentality is deeply rooted in their national psyche. You certainly don't see it in Russians no matter how poor they are. You can see it in their body language, the tone of voice.

However, Minsk is very safe, clean, police is nowhere as corrupt as their Russian counterparts. And I suspect Belarus is probably a better place to find a wife than in Russia. Belarussians don't scew us much. A Minsk native told me that he met a new girl every week while he was living in Moscow but he only gets one girl a year in Minsk. I think that about sums it up.

Zizz Bang
04-27-06, 07:07
Unless things have changed since last July, there are in fact girls, some of them quite beautiful, in the lobby bar at the Minsk Hotel. Trust me -- I was with two of them. Perhaps they've been "purged" lately?

Zizz

Sweeet
04-28-06, 23:57
Went to Madison Club. There were a number of hot babes. I approached dozens of girls. Many did not even want to speak to me. Most could not speak very good English. I could not find any pro's and none of any of the girls were interested in anything with me that night other than free drinks.I experienced similar vibes at Madison. You may have similar experiences at the more 'elitny' clubs; hot women but not very approachable/available compared to other clubs. If you want to meet students try Yula, Babylon, Alcatraz on Friday/Saturday or even Max Show.

Do not expect girls to be 'working' as it is more the exception than the rule. The only working girls I came across were heading to Westworld. There were plenty of women walking along Skorini Avenue at night but I haven't been to Minsk in a while.

Traveller22
04-29-06, 07:20
I have live 2 years and a half in Minsk and I come back regularly. I must say that Walter88 and CharlieH are completely right!

The Belarusian girls are very suspicious if you dont have a very strong professional reason to visit their country. The most striking point for me is the fact that all the girls you try too meet always would tell you that "they are not like a lot of easy girls and that if you want sex there are a lot of prostitutes blab la bla . ".

I had a French friend who was like me working at the Embassy. He stayed one year here and almost got crazy because he had so many flirts but he didnt manage to have sex once! And I must add that he was young and good looking. He was transferred to Kiev where he had a one night stand only after 3 days! I think that it explains a lot of things

I had some girlfriends but it was quite difficult to seduce them. It takes so much time and energy.

It is very frustrating because the Belarusian girls are to my point of you even more beautiful than the Ukrainians and the Russians. The sheer number of hotties is unbelievable. But as I wrote it is a kind of trap. You have the impression to be in a girl paradises but when you start to flirt, even if you are a good looking foreigner with money who speaks Russian well, be prepare to a high rate of rejections. It wont be flat rejections as in the West in most case but at the end the result will be the same!

BigthDikth
04-29-06, 18:10
Prostitution in Belarus is looked down upon. Even though it is a large city it has a small town feel to it. The girls that are hookers seem to have a sadness or bitterness about them, even the high end beautiful ones. And in a country this poor you would think it would be cheap but it isn't.

It is not because they are uptight about sex because they in general are very much in to it but they want a serious (or semi serious :)) relationship before diving in.

GandJim
04-30-06, 09:37
Waoohhh! Haven't been visiting this forum for some times, looks like it's getting a little more active.... Nice!

Too bad I haven't read this forum earlier, I'm in Minsk since the last 10 days and would have been pleased to meet with those of you who are still around, but am leaving for Kiev today.

Don't have the time to read all posts yet (am typing while my girlfriend is in the bathroom) but just want to pass on a quick info to Walter88. For newspaper girls, buy the 'Из рук в руки' (Iz ruk v ruki). Ads are under the section 812. Знакомства. Just call and and ask if you can meet with her for 30mn-1hr in her apt or yours. If she's a working girl, she'll give you the price. 'Normal' girls put ads under section 811 to look for marriage, not section 812 with their measures.

Otherwise, I agree that there has been a lot of clean-up everywhere: clubs, hotels, streets and even .... newspapers! There used to be 1.5 to 2 pages of adds; now it's merely 1/4 of a page. All internet escorts agencies I know have closed.

Money is flowing into the country. Building projects everywhere. Barely a decent shop 2-3 years ago, now 4-5 shopping centers under construction (if you've been to hotel Minsk, you've probably noticed the underground center about to open).

Girls I met before now have day jobs and tell me they are no longer desperate for money (a polite way to tell me to call somebody else from now on). I'm afraid the golden age is behind...

Jim

CA Traveler
05-15-06, 13:31
I'd appreciate some help from some of the belarus vets...

I'm considering a drive from Ukraine into Germany/Poland, but I must pass through about 55 km of Belarus.

Is it possible to get a transit visa at the border or must I go through the other drawn out procedures?

Sour Honey
05-15-06, 15:54
Hey, CA traveler:
- transit VISA (3 days) can be obtained ONLY from "passolstva" (Embassy).

- but you can have it (seems me $35 ) from Kiev Embassy (near street Boghdana Kmelnitskovo, leaving Kreshatik, 7 or 8 streets on the left).
Caution, strange timing! (may be morning, next day afternoon)

- not related to VISA, but serious: roads from Kiev to Poland are literally horribles. At UA/PL "tamoshni" (border) you can wait till 2 days (not joking) in these times. I suggest you to take the transit VISA, enter Belarus at Homel, and after straight to Brest (where you'll take from 4 to 8 hours to pass thru the border.. not joking again) or up to Hrodna (near Latvian border, but still BY/PL) where the time is 3-5 hours. In this last case you can have a stop in Minsk without "detours"), but longer to Germany, if your target is not Berlin, but Bavaria. But in any case, road are MUCH better in BY!!!!


- GANDJIM: iz ruk v ruki is no longer used by pros (very few now) now they use internet sites. But mainly http://intimby.net .... but sorry, moy drug ....is in russian only ... Also in russian is http://www.minskgirls.net as Walter said. With both you can pick horrible things, with only a 30% of VERY good choices. Half of the advertisements have false pics, and a 20% are jokes (e.g. the boyfriend left from the girl that put the ad there: normally only intimby.net , the other you have to pay.
or .... uh oh .... you may use THAT agency WE know ..... ;-) (the motto is satisfied or refunded!)

Traveller22
05-15-06, 17:50
Sour Honey is perfectly right. I have been in Minsk for 2 weeks now. Mongering is almost impossible now in Belarus. As for the regular girls I can give you a hint. I have a good belarussian friend (young and good looking) and we meet almost everyday to drink beers and chase girls.

Result : a few phone numbers, most of them fake.

In short : Meeting girls in Minsk became a real nightmare if you are here on a short term trip. Even a few weeks won't be enough without a big luck.

Himself
05-15-06, 21:53
Hi,

Below route is not recomended. Some freinds of mine tried same, first long waiting time to get from UA to BY and them even longer time to get from BY to PL. When they were about to leave BY, they were stopped by BY police and taken into the BY border station for control and have to leave their car unattended. When they returned to the car all valuables were removed. When they wanted to report this to the police, they were rejected however they saw a hotline number to call in case of problems with the police, and they then called the hot line number. When some superior police officer arrived, my friends were suddenly charged for a making a false allegation that their car was rubbed when parked on the border stations parking lot, as this as per the police was not possible as the parking lot was under constant police suverliance.... Paid 20USD to escape... without their belongings but with the car....

Himself




I'd appreciate some help from some of the belarus vets...

I'm considering a drive from Ukraine into Germany/Poland, but I must pass through about 55 km of Belarus.

Is it possible to get a transit visa at the border or must I go through the other drawn out procedures?

CA Traveler
05-20-06, 20:21
Thanks guys... I guess I'll go back to the drawing board and try to figure out exactly what I'm going to do!

Tony70
05-21-06, 14:12
To CA traveller,

I would completly avoid transit travelling through Belarus completly if you can avoid it! As Himself's friends have experienced. I was working in Belarus for two weeks and I was travelling by train from Warsaw to Minsk. When I got to the border I was asked to get off the train and the border authorities looked at my visa documents for four hours. They finally let me go and I went on my way.

Even when I left Belaus by train into Lithuania, the Belarus border authorities very closely examined my passport for 30 minutes.

A TV crew were travelling from Chernobyl area into Belarus and they were kept at the border for four hours. And then when they left, th police fined 20 Euros for illegal parking!

I can only suggest like anywhere else in the world, do be expect delays, be patient and do not lose your cool at all! Belarus is not a place to lose you cool.

Ruan2006
08-22-06, 16:53
Hi,

I have some questions about Minsk, but first some background:

First let me say that I have learnt to trust the reccomendations of this site the hard way. I browsed here before going to odessa, and thought that some reccomendations were just isolated cases- but in my last trip found most of them to be true.

My thing is not really P4P, but looking for freebies (althought this is not the right word since they tend to cost more than P4P in the end) But that's ok :-)
A bit about me I am 25 years old, find it relativelly easy to get girls in the major Western European cities and lived for 1 year in Moscow (speak decent russian and can hold a conversation) and am a sucker for slavic women (who isnt?). My ideal holiday would be arround 10 days and getting +- 3 girls in bed- working arround 3 days for each (i.e showing them a good time and having some fun)

As said before I have been to Odessa and really liked the place (cheaper than western european sea side resorts, good quality of life and a lot of eye candy) However not exactly the easiest places for freebies- girls very open to start with, but it seems that from the moment you approach them they have already decided that they will enjoy as much as possible the good times but nothing will happen. So after some effort one decides to give up another guy comes along, in the end it is amusing to see all masses of guys coming along and been very welcome by the girls, only to find a wall after some hours or days. Is like smelling the honey but not tasting. But no hard feelings I do enjoy some game- when elegantly played-, and If i was a girl there think would do the same. Although, I later discovered that part of the problem was how I played there- first I the smell of honey made me drunk and I thought that the dance floors are the way to go, and insisted for to long there. Since I have realised that those are the world. The places to approach women from worst to easiest are as follow: Dancefloor, bar area, streets during the day, outside the clubs, beach and cafes (if you are in a group).

During this trip I went to Nikolaev for 2 days, and it was a very different story: Quality of life non-existing, not much to do. But the freebies were more approachable than anything I saw. Every girl that we approached in the midlle of the street was a done deal, no rejections encountered. In fact the 2nd night I had the problem of having 3 different girls waiting for me in 3 different cafes (if you call that a problem :-)))

Now I am planning a second trip and would really appreciate any inputs from you guys: I am seeking the best place for slavic freebie. Nikolaev sounds good, but its to small to stay 10 days. So Minsk sounds very nice- a interesting place "" to see, many cafes (something important to pass the time) and as I heard many girls with not that much competition. However I been getting some mixed signals- some say its paradise on earth for freebies. Other says that due to cultural factors- girls are much more closed to sleeping with someone after 2-3 days than in russian.

What do you guys thing about this? And if I go in the first 10 days of September will the weather still be good enough so that people are seating and walking arround the parks (my natural hunting ground)? Do girls feel safe to start conversation with strangers in the street?

If not minsk the other places I would consider are Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk (more likely) and Simferopool, sevastopool (less likely as they seem to be inside the tourist route- something I want to avoid). The 1st 2 seem to be large but non-turisty places.

What do you guys think of those places for freebies? What about cafes and restaurant speacially in kharkov and Dnipropetrovsk? And what about the weather at the start of september and people walking arround the parks?

Any other ideas?

Since this post applies to both Belarous and Ukraine, I will post there also- so that it can be read by those who only go to the Ukrainian pages. So you do not need to read again.

Thanks for any upcoming help,

Ruan

GandJim
08-26-06, 19:41
Ruan,

I'm going to Minsk several times a year and love it so much I set up a business there just to have annual multiple entry visas... I'm enthusiastic about the place, but you can also see in the other reports in this forum that some members had not so memorable experiences.

Basically, everybody agree that girls are gorgeous, are approachable but some fails to bring them to bed. One reason I'm thinking of is that they don't speak Russian, but I understand you do so you may have more chances. But as you've been to Moscow, I must also say that it's easier to get a girl in bed in Moscow than in Minsk (but it's not impossible).

Early September, you still have girls hanging around. During the day, you have tons of them at McDonald and in the parks. At night, they can be found in discos. When I was there last May, the youngest ones were at Madison (www.madisonclub.by), mostly non-pros, but the music is so loud there that it's impossible to hold a conversation. WestWorld has a mixture of pros and non-pros and most tourists go there. Max Show and Alkatraz are places to visit occasionally. If you already have a date, you can bring her to Bronx (www.bronx.by). They have a nice Italian restaurant where you can have dinner, and the club has a nice atmosphere with reasonabe sound level for the music, so you can hold a conversation. Bronx is the place my girl loves the most for a quiet romance hang out.

If you're in despair and look for a pro, contact by PM Sour Honey, another member of this board. He's living in Belarus almost permanently for a few years now and has some contacts. He may be able to help.

Good luck,
Jim

Essi
08-26-06, 21:08
Hi

Is it easy to open company there?

can you be 100% owner of your company? and to be the director is well?

ESSI

GandJim
11-02-06, 09:11
Essi,

Sorry I didn't see your post until now. It's easy to set up a company in Minsk, it took only a few days. There are many forms of business and I can't cover them all here. I have a limited liability company which needs 2 shareholders. I own 99.5% of it.

My "partner" has 0.5% and is the director. It's more convenient to have a local director because there is a lot of paperwork (even if the company is dormant) and you need somebody there to sign them.

Jim

Essi
11-07-06, 19:18
Hi

What is the power of the director?

Can he sign contracts for your company with out your permision?

How its work?

Its is easy to get freebies in minsk?


ESSI

GandJim
11-23-06, 18:36
If he is the sole director and you are only a shareholder, he can sign contracts alone without asking you (but you can then sack him for that).

Freebies in Minsk, easy or not? This question has been discussed numerous time here. Although all agree that girls are gorgeous, some do not manage to bring them to bed. I think it's not that difficult, but you can see in the report of distinction forum that others disagree with me. I can only say one thing: you have more chances if you speak Russian and stay more than a few days.

Jim

Felix Nordic
02-01-07, 23:20
GandJim;

Lets continue here instead! I have been six times in Belarus since 2003 and I know exactly what youre talking about when it comes to control. If you ever have entered into Belarus by car you would for sure know youre stepping right back into the Soviet union! There are few things happening in Belarus that dear Mr Lukashenka doesnt have control over. The demonstrations during the election was only allowed because he felt he had total control over it and to show western countries that "democracy" is prevailing in his country.

Since relations with EU are frosty, mildly speaking, its obviously there is not a possibility to go west. Im sure its just a political gesture to show his muscles to Putin in Moscow. It will never happen because the insane republic of Belarus under the Lukashenka dictatorship only exists because of the support from Moscow. Talk about catch 22!

Therefore the odds of letting go of the visa requirements sounds not likely at all! To allow all curious people, including hoards of western journalists, into a country where few people openly dare to criticise the regime would be political suicide to say the least!

The dropping of the letter of invitation was however a huge step in the right direction. Just compare to Russia and they are stepping back in time and getting it stricter and stricter for Visas. Atleast according to my knowledge. A zebra is a zebra even if you wash it.

But I doubt they dare to leave papa Russia especially since Russia is getting really strong economically and are on the road to build up its army again into the good old days of the glorified red army. Its happening and I feel few westerners realise this fact.

My personal guess is that Belarus will go back to motherland Russia within ten years or so. Same fate probably goes for more of the FSU countries as well.

No I will not believe they drop the visa until the day it happens!

Felix

Bez Bezarra
02-02-07, 03:53
Do ya think Putin will ever do the same?

Haven't returned since '03, are more univirsityet styudenkas happy to find
a generous sponsor now? I didn't find enough. Are they still as poor as dirt?

What's Putin building the army back up for? For Chechnya? Is he gonna
kick the US out of KyrgyzSSR? Or did they already get out after that female
Captain got kidnapped and released. Did they get out of UzbekSSR too?

When Putin annexes the Commonwealth, what will they call it this time?
The Slavic Federation Of Republics?

GandJim
02-02-07, 09:13
Im sure its just a political gesture to show his muscles to Putin in Moscow. It will never happen
Yes, that's what I thought too.

I wasn't aware of the waiver for the letter of invitation, I still provided one when I renewed my business visa last October (but I must say I didn't ask whether it's still necessary or not). Maybe the guy confused this with a visa waiver instead.

I also agree that they wouldn't dare leaving Papa Russia, local economy being heavily supported by Russian money. What puzzled me a little bit is that, when Ukraine had its oil&gas crisis, Moscow said that subsidized prices are for Moscow allies only (they even mention Belarus), and that those leaving the system to go West by adapting to a free market must bear its consequences: market price. So why did we had this oil&gas crisis with Belarus a month ago.

The oil&gas price jump has quite a big impact on local economy, real estate prices are already affected. And the main investors in Belarus are Russians, not Belarussians....

Jim

Felix Nordic
02-02-07, 20:05
well gents,
maybe i was only thinking about my self when i wrote about the visas. there is no requirement for a letter of invitation for eu citizens and few others like canada, chile and japan, if you stay no more than 30 days. but this only goes for private visas. it was abandoned in 2005 in was in my opinion a huge step forward.

concerning russias military come back i read an article that if they continiue the pace of building up their armed forces, in the same speed of today, their military budget will exceed usa's in 15 years. i dont remember all the details but the essence was that russia is building its armed forces again. things are happening! a few years back putin said that the worst diaster of russia was the break up of the soviet union. i think that says some things about his ambitions and about the future.

i have always felt more attention from girls in belarus than for instance in moldova or the ukraine. however i have never gotten the chance to really explore the sceene. always been busy with projects and friends, and tied up with my travelling company. it compares to russia or even better imo when it comes to attention from girls.

felix

Ismael
02-06-07, 12:53
Hey Felix,

- Is it true that the visa can be made at the airport of Minsk when u arrive? Regulations changed from 1st of january???

- So if above is not true I can go to the Belarussian Embassy in my country and obtain a visa without an invitation??? right? I live in EU. So i only need my passport, picture and applicationform?? Or do i also need an apartment or hotel reservation????

I was in Minsk a few times the last 3 years but untill now I allways had a business visa arranged by Belarussian Government. So i would like to know the procedures if I go there private.

Poka poka

Felix Nordic
02-06-07, 23:50
Hey Felix,

- Is it true that the visa can be made at the airport of Minsk when u arrive? Regulations changed from 1st of january???

- So if above is not true I can go to the Belarussian Embassy in my country and obtain a visa without an invitation??? right? I live in EU. So i only need my passport, picture and applicationform?? Or do i also need an apartment or hotel reservation????

I was in Minsk a few times the last 3 years but untill now I allways had a business visa arranged by Belarussian Government. So i would like to know the procedures if I go there private.

Poka poka

Yes you can apply for visa as EU-citizen at the airport! If you apply for a tourist visa you need an invitation for that. The hotels or the renting company will get you this voucher and usually for a small fee (E30) and you get this back by e-mail and then you show it at the airport with your filled in form.

For the tourist visa I think you still have to do the registration within 3 days of arrival but its an easy process that the hotell or renting company will do for you.

Or private visa without invitation but then it will be more tricky with the registration. I know friends who have not got this registration and they could also leave the country without problems, but that also depends on the border guards. I think in general terms they treat you better at the airport. However its advicable to get the registration if you get any probs with the police and to get no probs when leaving Belarus. And you dont have to have a reservation for the private visa.


Felix

NeilSydney
02-20-07, 23:46
I went to Minsk twice in 2004 and even back then as a NON-EU resident, it took five minutes and 40 euro to get your tourist visa at the airport. From memory, you go upstairs at the airport from the arrival hall where they had all the insurance stalls. However, I think you need to have an invitation arranged already to do this, but its very simple to get this from the tourist agency or hotels. I found getting a visa for Belarus far easier and quicker than for Russia and for Ukraine (yes...in the nice days where everyone had to get a visa). But you should check all these things as its been 2 1/2 years since I was in Minsk.

In any case, the first time I went, I was asked by two nice guys from this forum on a Tuesday and was in Minsk on the Friday without any problems, so its a fast process.

Yogi-Bear
06-04-07, 12:31
Someone has some info about the (chicks) scene in Grodno?

Many thnx in advance

Up And Under
06-05-07, 17:06
I have been in Grodno before visiting friends but the only action I saw was the chicks standing on the Grodno-Lida road about a mile out of town. Was with my sister in-law however so I could not stop. Why Grodno in perticular?

Yogi-Bear
06-06-07, 11:51
Many thnx up and under!

Doesn't sound very optimistic there.

Will go there for a business trip.

Up And Under
06-06-07, 17:14
Worry not Yogi,

I am only saying that I only saw the street meat on the road out of town but I really was not scoping out the scene in town, for all I know it could be a goldmine. I'm not sure what you mean by "chicks" ( pro/non pro? )but I guarantee if you are looking for hookers then they will be in the town but you will probably need a taxi to take you to the area where they stand. I have seen street walkers in just about every little town I have ever visited,my partner is from polotsk and they have them there so Grodno is bound to have them.

Grinding in Grodno, sounds like fun.

Yogi-Bear
06-07-07, 11:53
ReHi UpandUnder! :-)

Sorry for not being precise.
With "chicks" I just referred to girls in general - pros or non pros. Mostly good places to pick up (restaurants, pubs, discos, etc) as with our business partners I'll bring with me to Belarus we can not look up the street scene.

And again many thnx for your efforts!

Bez Bezarra
06-07-07, 23:23
Some info about Grodno?



You may already know all this, so if its useless, sorry.

300,000 population, with a substantial Polish Catholic presence, to give it a bit of a multicultural feel compared to the rest of BR. Also though, for visitors, its very lacking in any guest services, so if you feel the grittiness and lack of welcome, no surprise.

It is today a cultural and industrial center, and has more private enterprise than most of BR, since its only 24km from Poland and 42km from Lithuania.

Internet Club is crowded, inside the main post office.

Cafe's on Ul. Savetskaya should have locals hanging out.

If you stay at the main hotel, Hotel Belarus, the staff will help get you girls, including calls to your room at night offering them to you.

Yogi-Bear
06-08-07, 10:43
You may already know all this, so if its usless, sorry.



Useless?? Other way round! Very interesting information. Many many thnx!
I've never been to Hrodna but travelled more to other regions in Belarus.

Bez Bezarra
06-08-07, 12:11
interesting informatx!



My skepticism is from normally being ignored or disputed.

A bit more for you:
1. If you have the time, some game, and a grasp of the old Ruski, you can try your hand at asking out any cute waitresses or shop-girls, (if there are any?), from the cafe's or the main store at the north end of Savetskaya ul.

2. If you spot a cutie sitting around bored in one of the church courtyards with her mama or babushka, or visiting the 2 castles by the river, you could try asking her about what souvenirs to buy, to break the ice.

Felix Nordic
06-08-07, 12:39
Or simply ask if there are any good discos and bars in town! Tried it in 2005 in Grodna with a blonde in a black Mercedes and she gave me her phone number 2 minutes later thinking I was asking her out!

Anything goes, and the most important thing is to try to go for it! And to know atleast a bit of russian! IMHO there seems to be a bit of ignoring attitude towards you if you dont know any russian at all in Belarus, provided the girl only knows russian. Hence, simply impossible to have you as boyfriend. Most girls like to talk a bit before giving it up!

Essi
07-20-07, 16:27
Hi Guys

Is anyone have INFO about gomel?

A friend-great hunter were there and told me was great scorring. 20 girls in 14 days...

ESSI

Essi
08-08-07, 09:42
Hi guys

Is anyone in belarus or was recently? we are hungry for late news from minsk or other area in belarus.

How much cost an appartment per day?

How can we find freebies and so on?

thanks

ESSI

GoEast
08-08-07, 11:45
Hi Essi,

I have never been there, but a friend of mine who returned recently told me that apt. should not cost more than 40 US in the very center. He took girls from Disco etc. and prepared something via internet before. He was quite happy. LT he gave between 50 and 100 US. I try to reach him and get some names of places. If I find him I report back soon. Good luck!

Assimil
08-08-07, 13:47
Gomel is almost in the center of Chernobil disaster...
you want to stay there 2 weeks?



Hi Guys

Is anyone have INFO about gomel?

A friend-great hunter were there and told me was great scorring. 20 girls in 14 days...

ESSI

Yogi-Bear
08-08-07, 14:05
Many thnx again Bez and Felix!

I know that there are many strange "colleagues" out here and can't appreciated good info. I'm not that kind of guy and always happy to find good info.

Yea, main prob in Belarus (and often in Russia too) is that not so many people speak English or other foreign languages.
Romania is much better in that aspect.

Unfortunately we had to cancel the planned trip to Hrodno. Maybe I'll have the chance to visit it after summer.

Which other countries you're travelling too?

Essi
08-08-07, 20:38
Assimil

Its mean that the girls are sick or can transfer any desease?

Go east

Thanks for your help and try get me some more exeact details how to rent appartments.

Bezz Bezzara

Any INFO? have you been in belarus? any contribution for me??????

I need names of clubs, bars, discos, prices for girls in minsk?. other towns close to minsk?

ESSI

Kcharlie
08-27-07, 20:58
Hi guys,

I can't find any recent links for girls in Gomel - could anybody please send me some tips or links? I will be there this Wednesday night only - too late did I realize I should prepare for my trip better ;) Any recommendations really appreciated!

Thanks,

Charlie

Cccvvvv
09-04-07, 14:52
I'm 20-year-old-looking guy and going to travel to Minsk.

So, I would like to ask something to the Belarus specialists on this board.

1. Free sites

Is minskgirls.net not working? Is there any other sites?

Which is the the best Belarusian portal to publish ads for getting the girls?
Are the girls on intimby.net real?

2. Escort sites

Does anyone tried minskescorts.net?

I'm afraid because it's liked to minskangels.tk which one pointed to a fake!
And any other escort agencies?

3. Bride sites

I wonder the bride sites such as elenasmodels.com are effective.
Anyone tried?

4. Tour guide

Should I hire a tour guide for a good mongering?

And where can I find a good guide for our purpose?

Thanx

Kcharlie
09-06-07, 06:22
Hi guys,

Maybe this is not a typical experience but it's the one that I have from my short stay in Gomel: as soon as I entered a hotel 'bar' (next to the reception and I call it really a bar because of lack of some other, more appropriate words; )), a not-so-young approached me and asked for a beer. Which I offered to her. But then, within less then one minute, two policemen were there, really 'isolating her' (one stepping in between us at the bar, the other talking to her from the other side) and in no time, she went with them. Is this typical? Something to be prepared for? Or was that just a coincidence?

K.Charlie

Doctor_Skank
09-06-07, 06:57
I'm 20-year-old-looking guy and going to travel to Minsk.

So, I would like to ask something to the Belarus specialists on this board.

1. Free sites

Is minskgirls.net not working? Is there any other sites?

Which is the the best Belarusian portal to publish ads for getting the girls?
Are the girls on intimby.net real?

2. Escort sites

Does anyone tried minskescorts.net?

I'm afraid because it's liked to minskangels.tk which one pointed to a fake!
And any other escort agencies?

3. Bride sites

I wonder the bride sites such as elenasmodels.com are effective.
Anyone tried?

4. Tour guide

Should I hire a tour guide for a good mongering?

And where can I find a good guide for our purpose?

Thanx

You might want to try the Russian sites... often they are "international", meaning that girls form Belarus and Ukraine are on them too.

www.bride.ru is an example, as well as www.love.mail.ru etc.

GandJim
09-07-07, 13:20
Is minskgirls.net not working? Is there any other sites?
It has been replaced by http://www.minsklove.net/

Jim

Hecker
09-18-07, 21:39
Felix,

You were in Minsk this August. We do not see any report. How is the situation in Minsk? Did you get any new girls? Did you try pick up in streets and discos? Belarus seems an interesting alternative.