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Laloupe
05-18-02, 15:18
Hello

I have just two Short questions .............

1) Where are Located the gilrs who have their own small van in Vincennes.

2) Could you inform me with names of the streets or alley.


thanks
Laloupe

Merlin Magician
05-18-02, 17:09
LaLoupe:

Forget the vans in Rue St Denis/Vincennes areas. Not safe---many gypsys. Also stay the hell out of the Pigalle/de Clichy area totally. There are nothing but 99% ripoffs and tourist traps there.

Try in the blocks north of Place de Madeleine to St/. Augustine Church/Malesherbes. ( in Arrondisement 1) Many nice girls there who know taxi drivers with large SUV type taxis. Also many of the older pro's work out of their own cars in this area also. Excellent deals and mostly very safe.

I found that area by accident and I was like a little child in a candy store with pocket full of hot pennies.

EFrog
05-20-02, 14:33
Merlin :
just explain where you saw vans in St Denis area...
There are none as it is inside the city and two cars broad small street...
So check before saying...
You forgot the area around the Arc de Triomphe.
It is even better than Madeleine area and you can have a chance to meet a non pro sometime.

Merlin Magician
05-21-02, 02:49
Ok EFrog: Your answer.

I did see at least 2 vans with girls working out of them very near St Denis area at a small park. I also saw gypsys and got the hell out of there.

I did forget to mention around the Arc, but then too, when I was there at the Arc area, there was a heavy riot police presence dispersed all around with Zhiang Zmin and Jaques Chirac holding talks. The heavy police presence was due to imminent threat of riots by Chinese dissidents.

I did see a few nice ones closer to Porte Maillot, but nowhere near in numbers like at Madeleine.

I hope this explains my actions.

Denis
05-21-02, 15:05
This is an update on other areas in the South East of Paris and in the 94, 77 Suburd

SW
You will find young Eastern Europe girl and black chicks on the Esternal Boulevard (Soult, Poniatowski and Davout) Avenue de St Mandé , and Cours de Vincennes toward Nation is also pretty good.

SW in Minivan
Many in Le Bois de Vincennes but generally pretty old and ugly (some exception), best in front of the Parc Floral and near the Vincennes Horse Race Track, some are Avenue de la Guyane (along the Boulevard Periphérique)

Prices are always 20 to 25€ fro BJ and 35 to 40€ for sex. Few will do anal (50 to 70€)


Suburd East of Paris 94 and 77
You will find some also working in Minivan in the 77 near Brunoy on the N6
Few eastern Europe girls working the N19 after Brie Comte Robert before Coubert.(in Minivan) and after Coubert (SW).

One pretty good one (mid 30) working in a minivan near the exit Moissy Cramayel on the A5 direction Troyes, (3 vans are always parked there, one big old, one old black and this mid 30 excellent, no rush)

More info will come later.

Denis
05-22-02, 12:58
Update on South East of Paris (12e)

Things are changing as now you can find Asian hookers in Paris

Found a nice Chinese girl (SW) abour 24 , working on Boulevard de la Guyane, very shy , took her to a hotel near Cours de Vincennes, (paid 30€) for the hotel and 50€ for the girl , very nice accepted everything except anal,

found a Korean one (not so good) about 30 looked a bit dirty , working near the entrance of the periferique porte de Vincennes(near the gas station) just pick her up for BJ in the car paid 20€,

I have not found any AMP in Paris , if anyone have found one , please feed back


Denis

NottyNotty
05-28-02, 09:45
Hi,

I'm from malaysia an am wondering what the sex scene is like in Paris. Are the girls there average looking or do they look like the ones i've seen in porn films? What about the high class prostitutes? How much do they costs?

Any of you here from this Forum been to Malaysia?

*nottynotty

Laloupe
05-30-02, 23:04
I will be visiting Paris in august. I have two questions.

1. I heard the best street action is "rue joubert". Are there other places you can f..k a girl ?
Someone mentioned "rue Joubert"is a good place to meet old and ugly .
what time of day is good to meet them and how much time do you get for 50 Euros?
.
2. Has anyone been to the Pigalle or the Rue St-Dennis?

A report would be appreciated. Thank you.

Merlin Magician
05-31-02, 02:33
LaLoupe,

I already answered your question way back down the line here. Read way down the list.

Also stay the hell off DeClichy in Pigalle area. There is nothing but ripoffs therfe for you and every other unwary tourist. The famous Moulin Rouge is there at thre intersection of Rue pigalle and De Clichy and you are safe in there but that is the only place.

Rue St Denis is also a virtual gauarantee you will find trouble.

Stick with the areas mentioned herinbelow by me, Denis and others.

Also check the archives closely; there very good reports there too.

cyrano
05-31-02, 14:49
LaLoupe,
I Know Paris quite well, but i've never been with a girl in this city.
here are some streets where you can find girls :
between La Madeleine and St Augustin Church ( Bd Malesherbes)rue de Sèze, rue Joubert
Near Arc de Triomphe, ave Foch, Ave Victor Hugo, Ave Mac mahon, Ave d'Iena,rue de Tilsitt,
Between Nation and the Périphérique,
Rue de la Chaussée d'Antin.
I've got these adresses searching on the web. I go to Paris next week-end, and if I have enough time, I will try to see the quality of these streets.
I know 3 erotic theaters in Paris. In these place, you cannot have sex with the girls, but they are good places to see and play with nice girls. I've been in these three theaters and two of them are really nice.
If you are interrested tell me, I'll give you the adresses on this
board.

Philip Augustus
05-31-02, 15:15
To Merlin Magician:
Regarding Rue St. Denis I would like to modify your statement somewhat: all the things that look like shows or parlours are clip-joints and rip-offs, no exceptions, whereas the girls standing in doorways are on the level. They're a mixed bag, of course, but they're not scams. (Well, maybe I should use the past tense, it's been a while since I was there.) I had some very nice girls on the RSD (both French and African), some so-so, but suffered no disasters. Nor did I ever feel unsafe on the RSD, which I wouldn't say about the Clichy -- that's a nasty, nasty street.

Merlin Magician
06-01-02, 03:08
Philip, you are correct about St Denis. It's just that I'm morbidly in fear of Gypsys. I saw many there. The women will try to pickpocket you and if you resist them they slash your ass with Stanley box cutters. Worse, their men are nearby, if you try to battle your way out and away, they will get you. I learned this the hard way in Bosnia in 1996. I got 40 stitches and a gypsy lady is in a wheelchair now because I managed to break her neck before I ran to a British patrol group which happened by and took me to a field hospital.

Philip Augustus
06-04-02, 19:09
To Merlin
Oy! They must have hit RSD since I was last there. I'm not very politically correct on the subject of gypsies myself. Thanks for the warning, next time I go to Paris I'll maybe try some of the options round the Madeleine and Arc du Triomphe that people have been writing about here, or try incall.

raoul
06-05-02, 23:33
I just spent some time in Paris, and as always had an
excellent time at "La Cheminee" (OK looking 40 yo
with her husband, giving me quick vaginal sex, then
blowing me off for 5 minutes urging me to come
in her mouth and swallowing it all).

But I decided to give a try to a "bar a hotesses"
outside the Pigalle/Clichy area, since once in a
while can have a pleasant surprise (it happened
to me in Rostock). It was " Le Monocle" (Paris 14).
RIPOFF ! nice staff at first, but they were rude
to "my" girl (a 6/10 Bulgarian 22 yo with nice and
warm body, very gentle) and had to pay € 400
for almost nothing (and quick ! I had experiences
were nothing much happened either, but had 1 hour
private "massaging" with the girl for this price).
Then,as in the Pigalle area, the staff turned
quite aggressive, I wonder how I got out
without paying more, and am a little afraid
about my credit card details which I think
the barman scooped.

drummerboy150
06-07-02, 13:08
Hi,

I am currently living in Fontainebleau and am wandering if there is any action in this town or even somewhere nearby (Melun perhaps). If someone knows anything, I would be very grateful. Thanks.

tbd
06-20-02, 03:50
drummerboy,
I take it you're anglo/american type. I just spent the last year in france. Here're my thoughts. Hooking in France is legal (pimping is not; only the hooker can benefit from the services she provides.) ergo, finding ads is simple.

General rule is 100e and you're paid up. Find a publication called "Les Loisirs et Spectacles" or something like that ( I lived in the south; names are different.) This pub will have all of the event/movies/concerts and, ads for hookers! Look in the back. Generally, they'll give their name, phone, and where they are. If there's a local paper (like for the town of Fontainebleu) look there in the "contacts" or "rencontres" section. If you don't speak at least some French, this may be a bit tough, but I'm sure you can figure it out (I'm guessing you're there for one of the worlds most renowned grad schools!)

some of the women say they speak english in their ads. enough anyway I'm guessing.

if you get really hard up, take the train to Nice (5 hours.) there are 100+ hookers working the streets there every night! Promenade des Anglais. Couldn't be simpler. And, a lot of these girls are eastern european; the learned some english before they learned some french.

good luck. send me a note and let me know if this helped.
hyperastro@yahoo.com

Robser
06-20-02, 16:29
PARIS - dead?

Was in Paris last week. Prepared my homework with this forum but was VERY disappointed:

Round Madeleine area -- did not find 1 only girl ??
Rue Tilsit , Foch, Victor Hugo --- nothing
Nation - Cours Vincennes: Yes there were some girls but 3-5 and only one 7-8
Boulevards exterieurs: Yes saw some eastern girls and black in the busstops but lousy quality.

It was so different as the -even recent- messages, that my only reasons could be:
1) There had been a police clean up just that day or
2) It was too late at night (23.30-01.00)

Any ideas????

EFrog
06-22-02, 21:39
robser

if you went to these area and you didn't see any... then we can do nothing for you... you must be blind.
Of course, they don't carry a sign saying "WG, SW, please ask for it"... lol
Maybe it was Paris in the US ....

Merlin Magician
06-23-02, 02:13
Robser:

Where were you? Paris, Texas or Paris, Tennessee?

You were in the areas at the prime time. I don't understand why you saw no ladies. I doubt there was a police clean-up. All you have to do is take a sidewalk table at the little corner brasserie a block south of St. Augustine Church area and watch them stroll by. Or walk the area from there toward Opera area and you will see many in parked cars waiting for you.

CBGBConnisur
06-25-02, 14:06
Personally I had the same experience in Paris last August 2001 as Robser, I hardly saw any hookers available and was really dissapointed by that fact. Personally my advice to Robser is to go to Amsterdam for the real fun, Germany is also a great place for hookers, if you really like French women, Belgian women are very hot and Brussels has an Amsterdam style RLD, Denmark and Norway has many brothels, Barcelona Spain is becoming a major sex capital as well.

Robser
06-25-02, 16:33
Re: Paris dead? reactions:

Hey, you guys: I was in Paris France, yes and I know Paris since a long time -when even Rue St Denis was a very good place to go-

I agree with others that Barcelona Spain is MUCH more fun and hotter!
I Know; I live there.

Putana
06-25-02, 21:55
Don't underestimate Robser,he is a real Spain "specialist"(not only Barcelona)
I am sure his posting about Paris is correct.

EFrog
06-26-02, 00:07
BCBG

Of course, nobody is talking about August... it is holiday : they are all at the Riviera : they follow the customers ... lol...
But Robser was talking recently so normal time and at the best time in the day...
So what ?
In the area he was talking about there are 100's every day.
And we have no police clean the area they have something more serious to do.. not like in the US where they can play game with honnest guys looking for fun... when by the same time the last FBI report states a 2% increase in crime...
Where ar the cops : playing games with the Johns...

CBGBConnisur
06-26-02, 02:11
So I was simply in Paris in the wrong time? I was not completely alone in my Paris trip last August 2001, I did manage to meet a nice French brunette near the Arc who was quite beautiful(about and 8), and very thin and tall. She had a shaven nether area and she did give me a good time. Only problem was that it took me 2 full days to find her. Overall there were many gorgeous women in Paris that August but I was dissapointed I need not meet enough girls. So you say there are 100's of women in this area Robser visited? When is the best time of year to meet these women? Thank you. Merci.

Aht169
06-26-02, 03:34
Hi all:
I just saw a report on the French evening news we get here locally through the international channel that was talking about recent efforts by the local government to clean up the prostitution problem. I was caught off guard, so I didn’t have time to get pen and paper, but here is what the report was saying as best as I can remember.

There is an effort afoot in municipal governments to clean up and get rid of prostitutes. Apparently 3 cities in France have outlawed prostitutes within their city limits. They are Strasbourg, Aix en Provence and I forget the third (sorry). Although French law permits prostitution, cities do have the right to restrict/outlaw it within their city limits. As a reminder, while prostitution is legal, soliciting, pimping and brothels are NOT.

The city fathers of Paris have been looking into this problem and debating on how to handle the exploding problem with prostitutes. It seems that there over 15,000 prostitutes in Paris with many coming from Eastern Europe and Africa. It is these prostitutes especially those from Africa that are causing the problem.

With a hidden camera, the reporter showed how these prostitutes, specifically women from Ghana are violating various laws and the long standing gentlemen’s agreement of discretion between government and prostitutes. These women are extremely aggressive, openly soliciting clients, physically trying to pull potential customers to a room. These women were specifically in the Rue St. Denis area, an area known to be of lower quality. These women are, according to a couple of white women prostitutes, selling their services for significantly less than going rates to attract customers then fail to provide services or worse yet have their pimps in corners waiting to ambush the customer and rob the customer. This was confirmed in an interview with a city official that claimed that the number of complaints were increasing. In fact the black SW will lure the customer with promises of full sex for anywhere from 10 to 30 Euros depending on the hour of day, then proceed to rip them off (standard prices are 50 Euros – even there – for full service) with the help of their pimps.

According to the report, most of these women are being pimped by men to who bring them to France and then give them quotas to meet. If they don’t meet them, according to the reporter and other SW, the women are beaten.

This increase in violence along with increasing neighbor complaints – with regards to noise, solicitation, lack of discretion, and the constant back and forth has led the Paris city government to look at options. While I doubt that anything might be done right away, especially given the fact that the Mayor is a liberal flame, I noted that one of the city councilwomen (or equivalent) who has links to the mayor’s office stated quite correctly that outlawing prostitution will not solve the problem as they will just go elsewhere. Truly an enlightened individual given that the many areas of SW are actually outside the Paris city limits. While she did not have an immediate solution, she did note that something needed to be done to deal with this problem.

So the while the council tries to decide what to do, my suggestion would be to avoid this area completely. Stick to other areas described in other threads. In this case you do get what you pay for and paying a little more may save you when getting beat up. Rue St. Denis has always been a low quality place so no real reason for quality hobbyist to go there. There are so many other areas that offer decent alternatives.

Stay safe!

CBGBConnisur
06-26-02, 04:37
Why don't the French build a German or Dutch style RLD system to manage hookers? It seems like the best solution, from my experience in Germany and Holland is that they have the best sex services in Northern Europe. Dutch RLDs and club brothels as well as German FKK Clubs are the best quality sex at bargain prices. There is plenty of talent in France, I don't know why it is hard to get a hooker in Paris, though.

Buster Cherry
06-27-02, 03:10
I had tried once earlier this year to post about the growing problems with African *****s and their violent pimps. It was pulled by the moderator as it may have been construed as racist.

Most of these people are Somali and extremely violent. I have encountered them in France, Italy, Germany and in the UK. They are a problem which nobody wants to recognize, given the big push for politically correct "multiculturalism" in the EU areas.

It's not a race problem; it's a crime problem.

The Germans, Belgians, and the Dutch have the situation under control as they have managed to expel most of the foreign outsiders from their RLD areas. This has caused them to flock to France, Spain, Italy, and the UK.

Robser
06-27-02, 17:43
Originally posted by putana
Don't underestimate Robser,he is a real Spain "specialist"(not only Barcelona)
I am sure his posting about Paris is correct.

Putana;
You're only too kind!
I like your reports as much.
Bye

CaptRenno
06-28-02, 02:28
I'm reposting this message from March because I see that many of you are still confused about Paris. Granted, it's not the easiest or the best place to get laid in Europe but if you find yourself in this wonderful city and you do want to get laid by a high-quality girl for a reasonable price, then just follow these simple directions. If you have specific questions, feel free to email me and I'll try to help.

Capt. Louis Renault
"He's just like any other man, only more so."
louisrenno@hotmail.com

How to get laid in Paris for a reasonable cost:

1) Take the metro to Charles De Gaulle/Etoile which is the stop for the Arc de Triomphe. Best times to venture out are weekdays M-F starting at 8:00 -9:00 PM with the action continuing until midnight or later. Saturday night is not that great. Even working girls like to take the weekend off.

2) Starting at the Ave. Hoch walk in a counter clockwise direction on the street that circles the Arc de Triomphe, which is called Rue de Tilsit (and changes name to Rue to Presbourg after passing Ave. de la Grand Armee--get a good map and this will appear clear). Follow this street circling the Arc and you will pass the following main streets which radiate out like a star ("etoile"=star) from the Arc: Wagram, MacMahon, Carnot, Grande Armee, Foch, Victor Hugo, Kleber, Ilena, Marceau and then you end up at the Champs Elysee. The best area is between MacMahon and Kleber.

3) You will see quite a few good looking women along this street but be careful, because only a small number are available to keep you company. Others are just hot, sexy Parisians on their way to bars and clubs. Be very discreet and take care not to offend anyone. Walk this circular street a couple times and soon it will become clear to you which ones are the working girls. They tend to stand on a corner or next to a building (a few are in cars) for awhile and they wait for guys to approach them--they are very discreet. The girls are a mix of native French girls (some of whom are a little older) and younger, hotter looking ethnic types (like Sharmilla and Karima). I happen to like the ethnic types so that's a plus for me, but it might not be for others.

4) Once you spot a girl you like and you've figured out whether she is available, make eye contact, smile and say "Bonsoir." Most will speak at least a little English, some a lot (I met an English speaking Indian girl named Sharmilla who was very nice). Anyway, don't let your lack of French stop you because the girls are used to dealing with foreigners, though the majority of their customers are probably French.

5) The going rate is 100 Euros, or about $90 US. I consider this to be a real bargain considering the relatively high quality of the girls. These are not ugly, druggie streetwalkers, though they are also not drop-dead gorgeous models either. Shop around and you will find someone you like. The girls will take you to their nearby apartment or go back to your hotel (I took a nice Moroccan girl named Karima to my hotel which was five metro stops away and I gave her an extra 20 Euros for her trouble). I didn't bother to bargain because 100 Euros is cheap for Paris.

6) You'll see some of the same and some different girls each night. Some are fulltime pros and some are amateurs, like Karima, out to make a few extra $.

7) Though I didn't have a chance to do this, I'm told that there is some good action around the Palais des Congres too, metro Porte Maillot. I did check out the area around the Madeleine Church and I thought the Etoile area was overall much better. Whatever you do, avoid St. Denis, Pigalle, and almost all "American" bars, strip clubs, etc. unless you want to get ripped off or disappointed. The girls around Etoile are independents and based on lots of experience and research I can assure you that they offer the best value in Paris.

Across69
06-28-02, 18:16
AVOID RUE ST. DENIS!
Went to le club 80 on st.Denis and paid $150 for what was supposed to be anal sex. I was very, very clear "Not a show or fantasy, real anal sex right?" She said "yes real sex of course" then gave ne the worst strip show ever and then said now jerk off in this kleenex! I got mad and she said well you are on camera and the police station is right down the street.

REMEMBER GUYS YOU MAY BE ON CAMERA!

I ripped the camera off the wall and demanded a refund of some of my money. They refused, so now I have a new miniature camera! FUCK THEM!

CBGBConnisur
06-28-02, 19:22
My advice to anyone is to avoid Rue St. Denis and Pigalle like the plague. There are much better finds around the Arch and Madeleine. If the sole purpose of a trip to Paris is for hookers, forget it, Amsterdam or Prague would suit you better. Even maybe Copenhagen or Frankfurt. Don't get me wrong I love Paris but its best to stick with the women who tout around the Arc.

cockblocker94
07-02-02, 02:16
rue de st denis just sucked bigg one's wish i could have looked at these postings before going to paris . i went early in june & asked the taxi driver to take me to the rue st denis that was the only place i heard had chiks for rent the driver didnt speak much english but said id find women there. all i saw was some fat asses white french women and some ok looking black chicks but i wasnt really in the mood for some chocalate so i decided to walk down were some black guy from senegal said to go check out the peep show no obligation so then i said alright he then brought out a menu of chicks were i can pick the one i want dam they looked hot on the menu he then said 50 euros & you get laid shoot it seemed to good to be true & i was very horny so i handed him the money he later sent me to a room upstairs were later this ok lookn french woman came in & said take of your close & start jacking it" so i did she later said ok know lets talk what do you want i said what do you mean? i paid 50 euros for a piece of french ass she then said no no! its just for a peep show i told her she was full of mier shit but i was thinking with my cock instead of my head i should have lost the 50 & walked out but i told her id give her an additional 100euros she then xtended her hand & took them right when i was gonna approach her to start pumpin her brains out of hottness & frustration she said "what are u doin dont you know that to fuck a nice lookn french women you gotta pay at least 350eros i almost slapped her little head clean of her body but i kept my cool & said fck it i lost 150eros i told them that all they do is jack people for there money i hope that by me posting this all you hooker lovers "stay the fck away" from st denis well mainly the clubs & peep shows there professional con artists. shoot ill stick to good old adelitas in tijuana & the oriental message in l.a ill never go to paris for hoes although i still wanna pork a french broad :-} talk to yall soon.

CBGBConnisur
07-02-02, 02:24
If you want real good French pussy you should have went to Madeleine or Arc De Triomphe I have found some stunning beauties around the arc. Another good alternative is Montreal, which has a lot of French Canadian women and they are just plain amazing.

etancheetanche
07-05-02, 22:32
It is time to have in Paris a red light district or like in Germany brothel actually the situation is very bad in Paris prostitute work on the Maraichau, Boulevard around Paris they fuck and suck for 50 euros in car. work in this situation is very dangerous for them
send a message the mayor of Paris, to offer better condition
for the work of prostitution.

EFrog
07-06-02, 23:31
etanche x 2

you are dreaming man.
1) brothel in France is illegal and this can only be changed by the Parliament
2) why do you want the mayor of Paris to care for the fun of hetero. He is a fxxxx gay.

Even this month they are, reverse, talking about a similar law to Sweden : fining the clients...
This is the top , this gay doesn't remember the time where gays were illegal... and they complained.

Now he want to have hetero illegal...
Gai Paris will turn into Gay Paris...

CBGBConnisur
07-07-02, 00:44
eFrog, you said around the Arc on Avenue Foch, and Victor Hugo and Rue de Tilsit, there are hundreds of hookers each day? Wehn I went I only saw a handful and had very few too choose? Will I be able to find many white French hookers in this area during most of the year?

EFrog
07-07-02, 17:26
bcbg :
from 2 p.m. to 3 a.m. if you go on a large area, and of course, more at night after 10 p.m. you will find a lot on circle street around the Arc : Tilsit, Presbourg, ... then down the streets :
Victor Hugo, Foch, Mac Mahon, Wagram, Iena, ...
then on the short part (late) between circle and place Charles de Gaulle. Then you can get down to Place des Ternes and walk to Porte Maillot, both side of the street, than at Porte Maillot, then bld Perreire, then inside Porte Maillot mall and even in the bar of the Concorde Lafayette on Top of the Tower and at the bar of The Meridien...
If this is not helping you, then it is not here that you can get help but by an optician lol

CBGBConnisur
07-08-02, 01:25
eFrog, merci. I have just a few more questions, I am planning to visit Paris in September, will there be a lot of women in those areas during that month? I went last year in August, and only found a few women and the choice was not so good. Also are most of the women in that area white French women?

EFrog
07-09-02, 21:54
BCBG
September is back to business...
August is full South Holidays... see the difference.
You will get white French White non French, Black French, Black non French and even Asian French.
Remember that we had colonies all around the world...
Not judgmental ... but what is the problem with non white...
It is just a question... no need to answer...
But if you want granted fun : go to the clubs : lots have been listed here and in past forum.

By the way for all other guys there is a new one : quai17 : they have a web site : www.quai17.fr
it is among the top 5 in quality.

Aht169
07-11-02, 01:13
Just got back from Paris, thougth I would update. On the continuing political battle, things seem to be heating up, but not just Paris. Cities like Bordeaux are taking measures to reduce the hobbists' alternatives. They are seriously talking about prosecuting the customer. Really sucks, starting to sound like the USA - Hey that's the way to get them to stop it, tell them they are becoming "americanize" that should take care of it! (they really hate that)

With regards to the women, I decide to cruise St. Denis for the hell of it. Mainly blacks and older white women, kind of scary. Ave Foch was dead, but I went on a Sunday. On the other hand, Nation and Porte Vincennes had some decent alternatives although I didn't have a car so it wouldn't have done me any good.

That's about it. Seem overall pretty quiet. i think many women might have already left for vacation.
Stay safe!

CBGBConnisur
07-11-02, 01:58
If they criminalize it like they do in the USA, its going to get really hard for a foreign guy to get laid in Paris. A friend told me they criminalized it in Sweden because they didn't want Stockholm to turn into an Amsterdamlike magnet for sex tourists, thats why they criminalized it. And they didn't want foriegn guys to come to Sweden and get laid. This is in contrast to what I heard about that the Far Right is involved in this and also its reaction to the mafia entering the sex, trade. This is really bad news. But there are other places for mongering in Europe that I think are better than Paris. Southern France, Spain, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Finland, and Czech Republic have a lot of good stuff if you know what I mean. Not to mention some other Eastern European countries. But someone's got to talk to these French politicians and get them to lay off the hookers and keep it legal.

Merlin Magician
07-11-02, 02:21
If the French criminalize prostitution, they will leave everything wide open for the various criminal mafias to step in and get a foot-hold on France.

Why can't these religious right pecksniffian priggish and unctuous assholes understand this? Did America not learn the hard way with the Volstead Act (prohibition)? Prohibition was what caused the Mafia to take such a tight grip on organized crime in America.

CBGBConnisur
07-11-02, 22:40
I recommend any guys interested in going to either the Pigalle or Rue St. Denis to avoid it, there are a lot of massage places and strip clubs in those areas, and they are a totall rippoff, I 've heard of guys paying 150 Euros for simply jerking off in front of the woman. Plus the legitimate hookers are too old and very few are good quality. The Arc seems to be the place to find better women, and generally if possible I recommend guys get a car to drive around, although Paris traffic is hell. The reason for this is that I took a cab around the Arc and then I saw this one perfect hooker(I give her a ten, some of you guys might give her an 8 because she had small breasts) and I was unable to tell the driver to stop because I did not speak French. So he dropped me off two blocks away and then when I walked to the spot where she was standing, I saw that another guy had already approached her and she went with the other guy. If I had my own car I would have been able to stop where she was standing to approach her. I have seen MANY beautiful regular women around the Arc as well. One of the more encouraging sights has been the large proportion of interracial couples, though not as many as in Amsterdam. These women find business quite easily and the Arc area is HUGE, I had no idea how large the area was until I was there. Swing clubs are good but if you don't speak French or are not a good looking guy, you won't get laid, also you should be in decent shape for the swing clubs.

Philippe
07-13-02, 17:27
My dear Merlin, you got it all wrong !

Here in Europe we don't do anything like everyone else, it's the left wing that wants to criminalize prostitution, the French right wing (and even the far right for that matter) is increasingly in favour of re opening the brothels. We should see some results in about 6 months, if all goes well.
Cross your fingers !

CBGBConnisur
07-13-02, 18:50
on the rue st. denis if you go in the afternoon, there are parts of the street with women standing around for men, almost all of them are older women. then if you go further, there are strip clubs, porn shops, and massage places, its at these places that you should totally avoid. i had one experience with an attractive french female in her late 30's it wasn't bad, she had a nice tanned fit body and another rarity, a nice hairy pussy, the only bad thing was she asked for extra money for a blowjob which i declined but it was a pretty good fuck although albeit rushed. she would suck my dick and i would fuck her but i wanted the experience with a 20something. the main bad thing about the rue st. denis is that you have to walk by all the peep shows where they have aggressive bouncers literally pulling you in for their shows. for better experiences try your luck around the arc, you get better quality service and younger women, and always if you are an american english speaker tell the women you're canadian, don't say you're british or australian, they won't believe you and they aren't stupid, the experience will be less expensive this way.

Merlin Magician
07-13-02, 20:53
Yes Phillipe, I maybe did get it all wrong, I forgot that Right Wing in Europe is a political movement while the Religious Right as defined in the USA is a bunch of obnoxious and racist homophobic fucks, like Jerry Falwell, who probably are very much Left Wing by Euro standards. Sorry, I forgot the cultural and political difference.

Philippe
07-13-02, 21:07
No Merlin, it's simply because we just have no Religious Right to speak of here. The only political movements with religious affiliations are stuff like the Christian Democrats, which are about as right wing as the US Democrat party, and several budding muslim movements, mostly Saudi funded, with the kind of discourse you can imagine !
The left wing here is rabidly against prostitution because it's debasing women, it's slavery, you know the rest, just the usual feminazi rantings. We even have one far left movement whose members are prohibited to marry, have children or being gay because it diverts energy that must be fully devoted to the cause of Revolution. I suggest we give them Jerry Falwell, he'll fit in very nicely, although they already stated that their goal was to hang the last boss with the guts of the last priest :)

CBGBConnisur
07-14-02, 20:35
If you are a young and in shape good looking guy, you could probably get laid for free if you go out to the many discos and nightclubs in Paris. A decent number of French women in their 20's speak quite fluent English, enough to sweet talk them. I spoke to a lady I had met a Paris club, she said some of the physical features most French women seem to like are a not too tall no too short man, slender, dark facial features and skin, chest hair, and dark eyes. They hate guys who are too big and too muscular. On the attitude side most French women seem to like a soft mannered gentleman who is well behaved over a aggressive assertive bad boy troublemaker macho man. Its no wonder I have seen so many French women date North African men, as they seem to fit most of this criteria. As a Latino, I see that I am better appreciated by the French ladies than by American women. Unlike New York City, my hometown, in Paris, a nice guy can finish first.

tonk
08-08-02, 15:28
So alone not so hard, but I will be with a stag party in paris nexts weekend, there are not so many of us but still... what do you suggest? open to all thoughts!

ajoe333
09-20-02, 19:44
I will be in Paris on business and I am looking for reviews or recommendations for escorts . Any help will be appriciated .
Especially on clubeliteescort.tk or www.prague-bunnies.com
or independent .

Halloerstmal
10-04-02, 09:35
Hi,

I read in this forum that at the Arc de Triomphe you can pick up some girls. I have been there this week (Tuesday evening, 10 pm). Not a single girl looking somewhat like a hooker was there! I made the whole way around the damn thing and all I could see was a lot of tourists.
Was it too early? Wrong day?

Disappointed,
Chris

Merlin Magician
10-05-02, 03:54
halloerstmal:

Read my earlier posts in this Forum about Paris girls.

Head east from the Arc to the area of the Trocadero (between the Louvre and the Arc) and then go north toward Place de Madeleine. North of the St. Madeleine church up to the St. Malesherbes church in this area, you will see many grade 8 or so young ladies walking and many in cars along the side streets, Especially on PLace des Italiens toward the Opera area.

Best time is usually 10 PM to early hours of morn. This has consistently been my best "fishing" area. Also many of the girls know cabbies with large roomy SUV type vehicles who will cruise around while you are on a "date".

Stay out the area of St. Denis, and Blvd, de Clichy in the Pigalle area. You will find nothing but ripooffs there.

Be wary of gypsies.

Bono
10-05-02, 09:19
We are some American tourists on our way to Paris.We are going to be arriving at the GARE DE NOORD train stations from Amsteram.Can any Paris or(non-Paris)people tell me what kind of girls can be found in this area.

Rusty
10-06-02, 04:21
Hi merlin magician,

Thanks for your info.
You said there will be many chicks about grade 8 around St. Malesherbes church. It sound really good. But, do they show any sign that they are "working"? How can I know they are "working"? I won't be nice to ask them whether they are prostitutes :)

Oscar

SteakFrites
10-06-02, 08:39
Well, it's not written on their foreheads, but still, prostitutes are always "a bit too much" overdressed, overlooked, over made-up etc.
One of the best ways to tell, is to go scout one day and stroll around the fishing area to spot the potential, and go back the next day and see if the ladies are still standing waiting for the bus.. ^__^

Er, I'm not such a specialist, but I've never had trouble in the Rue St Denis. Maybe the fact that I'm French or/and always early (Around 4:00 PM) the secret...
What was said before was right though, most of the ladies in Rue St Denis are plain ugly and/or old as Papa Smurf. But if you're into black chicks (which happens to be my case) you can have a really fun time cause they're young, and hey, sexy as hell too. The fees are 30€ for a BJ and 50€ for Half and Half... Can be rushed, but not always...
Early is better, because there's not much customers, they'll seem less in a hurry.

And I also noticed a new spot where there weren't any girls lately: Just above the Rue St Denis across the boulevards, on the left sidewalk of the Boulevard de Strasbourg (Up to the Gare de l'Est) many East Girls there, starting just behind the "Pizza del'Arte" on the corner.

Hope that helps, feel free to ask. ;)

Merlin Magician
10-08-02, 02:26
Rusty,

If you can't tell who is really waiting for a bus and who ain't, better hop Ryan Air or Easy Jet to London and go to Soho and the walk ups. Cardboard signs tell it all.

Of course if you see ladies walking around Madeleine area who have "painted up their lips and rolled and curled their tinted hair", well.....Ruby....

CBGBConnisur
10-15-02, 03:23
Studplayer, what crack are you smokin??? I met a lot of hot French women last year in Paris and they were nice and sweet, you want to meet snootty women, go to New Jersey.

EFrog
10-16-02, 23:16
studplayer

only snooty person in Paris is you, when you are in town...
Especially not waiting for you with that kind of attitude.

I agree with you CBGB ...

CBGBConnisur
10-17-02, 23:30
French Women are amazing, they are among the most beautiful women of the world and some of the friendliest. Anyone who thinks otherwise is on drugs. I will take the beautiful sirens of Paris over New York City any day of the week.

Exbrisboy
10-23-02, 15:43
Hi,

This is my first time on this forum.

I was wondering if anyone knows any escorts that I don't have to go streetwalking to find?

Thanks in advance.

Merlin Magician
10-24-02, 03:10
CBGB, I'm with you, man. French women are truly among the world's most beautiful and are very friendly. If they are snooty, it's probable one is being an ass or a boor to them. They are human too.

"All the gals in France don't wear any under pance..."

ricocafe
11-05-02, 12:31
I am going to be in Paris for one night only this Saturday in the airport area, can anyone suggest what to do so I do not waste any time and have fun? Should I go to town for the evening, are there some especially good areas for fishing? Any clubs I should avoid..like gay or transexual areas?
Thanks!!

Organicgrowth
11-15-02, 02:15
exbrisboy,

Try http://www.declic.org/lenglish/index.html

I've had some excellent times with a number of these women. I can recommend: Sandra, Valerie & Pam. Very nice experiences indeed. By the way some of these women have their own web sites, so you can check out more details, rates etc...

Good luck.

Regards, Havanaman

Organicgrowth
11-15-02, 02:23
ricocafe,

Give Emmanuelle: a call, I'm sure she can help you, if she is otherwise engaged she will point you to one of her friends...

http://www.worldxcite.com/s2e2l.asp?ID=677&Name_=Emmanuelle

Speaks excellent English and will visit you at your place.

Regards,

Havanaman

Randy Farang
12-11-02, 03:44
Perhaps things have changed since the days when I regularly strolled the streets of Paris. But, even with horrible high-school French, and a willing attitude, I always seemed to find a great time there. What happened to Rue St. Denis? The quality of the local talent went from 2/10 to at least a 9.5/10 and the price was reasonable. I can recall some GREAT experiences there. In fact, I'm headed back that way in a couple of months and will post an updated report then. Randy

Merlin Magician
12-12-02, 04:23
Randy, in the areas of Rue St. Denis, be wary as hell. I was again there in August 2002. Again, as in 2000,I found the area still swarming with displaced Balkans gypsies. Very scary prospect when you consider women gypsies with their kids can mob and rob you in seconds and if you harm one for picking your pockets, their man is waiting within a few steps away and they carry Stanley razor boxcutters.

And, don't bother with Blvd. de Clichy or the Pigalle areas. It is still shit city there.

Previously the areas immediately north of Place De Madeleine church to the St. Malesherbes church, I have found to be a prime pussy hunting area. It still holds true now.

In August, I did quite a few circuits around the blocks by the Arc de Triumphe. I saw a few really nice ladies around there, but not in numbers like at Madeleine.

Balul
12-16-02, 02:34
Hi,
I was in Paris last month, so I have some fresh info.
First, Rue St. Denis - I was carefull after all the warnings here, and I didn't walk there after 9:00 pm. I did walked there in the morning and afternoon, and didn't have any trouble. While there is still light, there are many people (men and women) traveling there, most of them for shopping and not looking for SW. The Sw are just part of the area...

I was there as early as 11:00 am, and already there were many hookers hanging around. I would say that third of them are old/fat/ugly, and the other two thirds are blacks, some very beutiful. I took one of the blacks, she demanded 30E for BJ and 50 for everything, and after discussion, she agreed for 40E for everything. We went for an apartment, and spent there about 15 minutes. No rush but surely not GFE.

I liked the scene in St. Denis, and didn't feel threatened. If you like black girls, this is a great place. Of course, I didn't even think of going into the night clubs, altough one man hold my arm and tried to convince me to do that - I just kept working.

I also tried to check the scene near the Arc de triumph, in the streets of Macmahon, Wargram, Carnot and the area, but all I found there were two black girls and two old ladies. Maybe I looked in the wrong place? I saw that other memebers couldn't find there anything, so maybe there is some misuderstanding?

Randy Farang
12-19-02, 16:24
Merlin, Thanks for the warning. I have had one bad experience with the Gypsy children on the embankment near the Lourve, and it wasn't pleasant. And that was wwwithout box cutters involved.

Obviously, Rue St. Denis has changed considerably since my time there. I don't recall more than a handful of blacks, and the atmosphere was pretty safe, even well into the night.

It is a shame, it was rather like the fast food court in those American shopping malls. Something for every taste, and at reasonable prices.

Randy

Laloupe
12-23-02, 00:56
Hello guys


I found a forum(only french)

http://www.escortfr.net

laloupe

Marcos
12-23-02, 18:03
I was in Paris few days ago and the most vivid memories I'll have from this trip are about the cold weather and the high cost of living, but certainly nothing memorable about sex.
I started calling girls from the website referenced below (very poolry organized BTW) but ran into vmails for the most part. A certain girl was also quite rude and hung-up on me despite I was (trying to) talking french. Another went over the list of activities like a restaurant menu (actually more like a fixed menu) and woulnd't budge from 200 Euros an hour. Now with all the respect for her long experience (she's 40) I don't think that's a sane price. I gave up for that day and went to dinner instead.
The second day, around midnight, I took the classic 'promenade' around the Arc and guys let me tell you that isn't something to try at wintertime if you don't wear a good coat, plus gloves, scarf and hat. There where very few ladies around, on the streets on the south side, and they didn't looked very attractive neither. Being the hardhead I am, instead of going home I spoke to a strong black lady, and together jumped on a taxi to her place, close to pigalle. We had two rounds of which only the second one was of some (moderate) quality, price paid 150 Euros, the room was quite a dumpster and overall just a mediocre experience.
On my way to the airport the cab driver was trumpeting the variety and availability of the 'putains' of Paris. Yeah right, not for me buddy - at least not this time.

Merlin Magician
01-26-03, 02:55
Good news for Paris punters. The French government has now enacted laws to curb aggressive panhandlers and street beggars. Stiff penalties and prison terms will be thrown upon the people, especially the Romani and Kurdish gypsies who use their children in their scams and pickpocketing. Gone will be the aggressive bums and crap who make it perilous for us punters who wander the area around Arc de Triumph looking for great pussy.

Aussietoy
03-03-03, 12:46
G'day...

First time checking out the gos on Paris. I will be there in 3 weeks time for a few days. Its a long way from Melbourne to France (and lonely) so i was interested in advice some Paris regulars might be willing to share. Being an aussie in Europe means thay my money aint worth jack, but if i can find something cheap and nasty, then i am happy to have a poke?

The Rue St.Denis seems to have some fans and some critics! i don't have a problem fucking all day, and doing my drinking at night. I am very much interested in protecting my parts, as i plan to be in the Phillipines later this year for some serious fucking and sucking-ahhh, good old filthy Manila. Paris is supposed to be the city of love so who knows, maybe i can find someone who love me, if only by the hour.

I will keep checking the forum, and i am grateful for any tips/hints you guys can give me. I will post my results (if any) when i get back to Oz.

aussietoy

EFrog
03-06-03, 00:42
Hi Aussieboy
sorry to tell this but you might be disappointed with Paris. Expensive and getting more and more difficult to get great fun.
Beside swinger club but this is not easy for a foreigner.
Rue St Denis is the very low end.
Avoid Pigalle, even if famous, this is total rip-off and was maybe fun ... 40 years ago. True : some of the girls in bars are vintage pieces... over 30 years on duty...
Best looking at good prices are former east block girls (you know Rumy's "New Europe" ...) but are hard to find now because of new laws that Merlin is greeting : same law is also forbidding SW activities... Always two sides to a medal...
Considering bars, avoid tourist places like the Baron for example (advertised in many travellers and airlines magazines) : you will spend 2 bottles 400$ each to get a girl out and she will expect another 500 $ to spend time with you... total 1,300 $.
For this price, buy a round trip ticket Paris to Germany (see here about FKK clubs) or to Barcelona or to Amsterdam. W-E ticket will cost you 200 to 300 $ and with remaining $1,000 you will get around 10 times fun... instead of one...
remember that prostitution is only tolerated in France... as always small markets raise the costs...

EFrog
03-06-03, 01:01
Bad news
additional to previous message :
A great place of the past is now closed : le Diam's rue du Coliséee (side street Champs Elysées). This was one of the best places...

Very recent test (2 days ago)...
Avoid a place named ANGE BLEU rue Mogador.
(lots of advertisings in Pariscope for example, for this bar which is " top less").
Only positive point : girls (2 only) are good looking... and quite agressive...
but...
as days seems to be hard, they play with all old tricks of rip-off places.
Girls wants you to buy drinks to the old bartender... and she is drinking as quickly as the sink in front of her can get champagne down...
then the old game : girl is short of cigarettes, so ask you to buy her one pack... well : 12 $ and immediate cash...
If you order an old classic, like scotch and coke... it counts like a double drink : so 34 $ compared to $15 for just a scotch...
I really wonder why they didn't already came up with the idea to charge for the ice cubes per piece...
I should patent this idea lol
Bottle of champagne will cost you 1st price $183 and for this all you get is the cheapest quality (cost $8 in stores) and girl will try to make you not come ... but buy twice... plus her direct 400$.... for little fun and at best HJ hardly negotiated...
Cherry on the cake : this one is so evident and old... when you want to pay with card... of course the card reader is out... need to be cash...
So over priced, unfriendly (especially when you ask to make a try with the card ... and Ohhh magic ... it is working... ) well, you go in these places to have fun, not to have to argue for anything in order to be only decently ripped off...
So keep far from it...

Aussietoy
03-06-03, 12:39
eFrog....thanx for the advice mate. It is appreciated. I normally hunt in Asia where you that you get what you pay for, and you don't have to pay very much. Just ia fluke that i will be in Paris for a few days, guess i might just have to sight see and hope the hotel has in-house porn.

Cheers anyway...

I will let you know if i have any luck. Starbucks in the Phillipines is a easy pick-up, maybe i shall just have to find the french equivalent and get the lady plastered.

Thanx

Aussietoy

nyhotcpl
03-29-03, 19:44
Hello,

I am planning to be in Paris in early May.

Last time I was in France we arrived on the morning of 9/11 and the French people all over the country (stayed 3 weeks) we're incredibly warm and sympathetic.

Any thoughts about what sort of reception I can anticipate as an American now that the international political situation has so deteriorated?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
NYHOTCPL

Denis
03-30-03, 20:49
Originally posted by nyhotcpl
Hello,

I am planning to be in Paris in early May.

Last time I was in France we arrived on the morning of 9/11 and the French people all over the country (stayed 3 weeks) we're incredibly warm and sympathetic.

Any thoughts about what sort of reception I can anticipate as an American now that the international political situation has so deteriorated?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
NYHOTCPL

There are absolutely no change in the French daily attitute in regards to the Americans , of course if you carry a flag saying I am an American and Bush is right and we f...k you French , somebody may say to you some nasty thing.
Anyway enjoy Paris and the French beauties

Aussietoy
03-31-03, 13:30
G'day lads..just returned from France. In terms of our sport, nothing going with the locals. I went to the main tourist attractions and also round some poorer areas. France is a joke for those who play our game. But having said that, at the major tourist sights, Champs Elysee and Eiffel tower, there are lots of other tourists out to have a good time. I did pick up a Japenese girl there and though we had a great afternoon, in the end i was left to my own handiwork! Lots of foreign students would be your best chance, but remember, Paris is an expensive city and money talks!

As for feeling safe, well, i am an aussie and i did have one bloke try to start a fight with me because australia has sent troops to Iraq. I learnt to say the "bush is bastard" in french and most people are okay with that, but you would not want to adviertise that you support the war. There are alot of North African muslims in France, Morrcans, Tunisians, Algreians that despise the west. Play it safe there, no point in causing trouble or losing blood over a politician! We are there for love, or at least lust, not war.

Safely back in melbourne Town

The aussietoy

Phil
04-11-03, 17:52
Can anyone tell me where I can find young, black attractive girls in Paris? I'm a 27 year old African-American so I'm looking for black pussy when I go to Paris. Also any info on Latin girls will be helpful!!! Thanks!

Zapadnya
04-12-03, 17:36
Hello Guys !

Aussietoy you're right France is not a good deal (believe me I come from here).

2 possibilities : hookers, but who come in france for a fast BJ with rubber in a car, or escort wich can be found in local paper but expensive, rubber only and you're not sure the job will be well done !

Phil : the only way I know to meet black pussy is to go in subburbs ("banlieue" in french) but this is unsafe places (burned cars, etc) but maybe if you're black and say you come from America you will be a star (you look as Michael Jordan ?)!

But here, many muslims people who are very angry about what is going on Irak !!! So you may not be welcomed!

Or try black hookers, but for my own experience, I tried many and they are not a good deal (maybe because I'm white ...)

Sorry guys but if I where you I didn't go to France to have sex.

Sicarius

Denis
04-14-03, 12:56
Originally posted by phil
Can anyone tell me where I can find young, black attractive girls in Paris? I'm a 27 year old African-American so I'm looking for black pussy when I go to Paris. Also any info on Latin girls will be helpful!!! Thanks! You may want to try the black hookers who are working on the Boulevard des Marechaux (bd Soult,Bd Ponatiowski and Bd Davout), I have seen so pretty ones.
sincerely

EFrog
04-23-03, 00:25
hi Phil,

sorry for the poor quality of the answers of the two last guys here.
They only go for cheap... just kidding.
You will find all you want at Ruby Club, rue Dauphine. It starts late in night, get there around midnight, it will be at least 20 to 30 great black chicks young and sexy to choose from. (As you are Afro American, this is the place to meet your Afro part... most girls are from Africa and speak perfect English... isn't this fun ?)
They will expect you to reward the great night with a decent contribution but they are not pro so that if you negotiate well... you may even get GFE for an all night stay and take her out next day for some shopping.
What can be great fun with a sexy chick.
If you are very good looking you may get incredible fun in swinger clubs, a lot are listed here so no need to repeat their addresses, just check former posts. Black guys are very appreciated.
No problem with US guys, they are always welcome when not arrogant but, honnestly, is this so unusual anywhere, anytime,... (frogs are less stupid than the Fox News idiots... lol)

Phil
04-26-03, 17:24
Thanks for the info eFrog (I must admit you've got a very interesting user name). Thanks also for the info from Denis and Sicarius. eFrog can you tell me the best day to go to Ruby Club and also can you give an estimate of how much the girls usually want. I remember reading about that place about 3 years on here.

I didn't see the info on swinger clubs that you were talking about but I try to do some additional research. Thanks.

Cavechu
04-27-03, 16:06
Hi Guys

Any good vietnamese pussies in Paris??

Bubba261
04-30-03, 02:37
Originally posted by AMPGuest
Hi Guys

Any good vietnamese pussies in Paris??

Nope...the chinese have eaten them all.....

Lalo77
05-02-03, 21:46
Hi

I heard that there are Arab working girls in France from Morroco, Algeria and Tunisia. Where can we find them?

Denis
05-03-03, 21:00
Originally posted by lalo77
Hi

I heard that there are Arab working girls in France from Morroco, Algeria and Tunisia. Where can we find them?

There are a lot of North African girls working in the Bois de Vincennes (in minivans) or near boulevard de la Guyanne (behind the Boulevard peripherique between porte Dorée and Porte de Vincennes (most of them are fat and old)

EFrog
05-04-03, 18:55
Hi Phil,

sorry I was out of town couple of days , so a late answer, hope still useful.
Ruby is open every night and in summer period is busy every night...
Only you need to get late : around midnight because that's when most girls are arriving.
In normal night you have at least 20 to 30 but even more. They are half pro. Meaning the place is not like a bar or a club like tourist rip off like Baron or similar.
All is working like a disco.
You need to "make your market". The girls are not harassing you to get a drink or pay for a bottle.
They expect some compensation and so your negotiation skill has to work. But I say half pro, because if you are very good, you can get some to play the real GF attitude and then you are not expected to pay but to be also acting as BF... what means next day taking her out or go and have shopping with her...
Most or close to all are either students or have day jobs in Paris shops and are coming to have fun or to get money to get fun... lol...
Considering the swinger club it might be in the archive.
Check about Cheminée, 2+2, Triangle, Quai 47, ... there are extensive reports here so no need to repeat them again.

EFrog
05-04-03, 19:30
lalo
beside you are only on arab girls focussed, why on earth would you want to have the poorest attitude girls on the market...
Lazzy, bad looking, poor hygien,...
Paris is much better for latina, russian or black girls : remember French African countries... they are sweet.
And if you want great fun, get to 13th ; Chinatown and you will enjoy the best of Asia far from SRAS risk.....

Tolsa
05-04-03, 22:58
Hi efrog,
Where in the 13th can we find "the best of Asia" ?
Any street girls there ? (what time of the day ?). Is the action mainly in clubs or "american bars" ?
Any info is welcome,
Thanks.

Mr.Reilly
05-10-03, 22:19
Hello there,I will be going to Paris in August and I am enquiring about the Parisian scene, I would like to meet a few French or foreign women during my time in Paris.

I want to visit a massage parlour or a brothel, also I am interested in visiting a swingers club or club des rencontres in French.I wonder
if you could recommend a good club which also admits single men.

If you can my enquires please let me know, I would very much appreciate it.

mr.reilly

I Love Sluts
05-19-03, 04:39
Does anybody have the latest seen on Paris? I have not been there for two years, I had a great time with the women there.

What is the latest action on Avenue Foch? Are the girls still in their Mercedes and BMW's around 5 pm? I remember the hookers were in there cars waiting for guys to get off work.

What about the DU BOIS DE BOULOGNE? Is it still busy with those sluts? What percentage of the girls in the Du Bois de Boulogne are men? Anybody have any estimates of how many are men?

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation mistakes in this report. However, with everything else I have to do to maintain the forum, I don't really want to spend my time doing this every day, so I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect everyone to be a great writer, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. Thanks!

l_amateur
05-22-03, 12:17
To "I love sluts":
Yes, in avenue Foch, there are always 5 or 6 girls, usually in car.
I saw the black BMW. But I found nicer girls in small car like Renault Clio. Sometimes extremelly beautifull women. Sometimes to old but still charming... going rates is 80 euros. But I didn't try their services so I don't know what you get for this price.

In Le Bois de Boulogne, there are mostly transexuels, but I noticed some eastern europe young girls at la Porte d'Auteuil near le Bois. Usually 4 girls, about 20 years old, may be even a bit younger, when you enter Paris at this Porte d'Auteuil, you will find them on the right side of the road, near the last trees before entering in Paris. Because this is outside, you only find them when it is not raining. They seems like good girls from the eastern country, almost students, not tipical ***** if there weren't their miniskirts. That's all I know...

Getopardo
05-26-03, 15:46
Just a short word of caution: There are no brothels in France and very few massage parlours (they are forbidden).

Try the well-known rue Saint Denis in the afternoon or evening, the bois de Boulogne (mainly transexuals) or the "portes" (porte Maillot, porte d'Auteuil, all portes in the 16th or 17th arrondissements).


Originally posted by mr.reilly
[i]Hello there,I will be going to Paris in August and I am enquiring about the Parisian scene, I would like to meet a few French or foreign women during my time in Paris.

I want to visit a massage parlour or a brothel, also I am interested in visiting a swingers club or club des rencontres in French.

Elton
06-04-03, 09:36
Gents,

I'm going to Paris again soon after a long while. 2 questions to those who live there or otherwise have fresh experience:

1) The swinger clubs. What's the latest news on them? Are Au Pluriel and Le Chéminee still good ones? Which ones admit single men? Prices to get in? Any notable new ones opened up recently?

2) The ladies in cars round Madeleine. How do you approach them? Do you knock on the car window, or just stop standing next to the car, or what?
Last time I was there, I took one of the ones standing on the sidewalk, average experience, and would like to try a more mature one in a car.

Merlin Magician
06-05-03, 03:44
Elton,

The ladies in the cars are the easiest ones to deal with. It's not difficult at all. Just walk by the car and make eye contact if possible. She will ask you if you need her. Turn up your hearing aids. They are usually soft spoken. "Avec le Pipe" is a BJ and "le Amour is a straight fuck.

If you also will go to that corner bistro that is one block south and to the west of the St. Malesherbes church loking toward Madelaine, you will be able to choose from a pretty good parade of nice ladies usually after 10:00 PM.

From there south toward Madelaine, you will find many more parked cars and ladies walking.

This area has lways been my best punting hunting. Most of the walking ladies know cabbies with large Peugeot or Reneault minivans who will cruise you both around for a small sum.

Stay off St. Denis and for sure stay off Blvd. de Clichy / Rue Pigalle (aka Pig Alley) unless you are going to the Moulin Rouge only.

Merlin Magician
06-05-03, 03:58
Yes! What eFrog said. I second that!

Sorcerer
06-05-03, 04:05
We are missing the answer to the most important part of the question: What about the swinger clubs?

I have not been to Paris for a few years but I used to go to Triangle, Prive, Le Cheminee, and Dany's. Are any of these still around and which ones are the best for single guys

Thanks in advance.

Iseeu
06-08-03, 01:03
Bonsoir,
just back from gay Paree. Stayed in Etoile area, which has been really cleaned up. Only saw 3 SW on whole Northern side of the circle. Whoever did the cleaning did a really comprehensive job.
Only action in Paris worth trying are the swingers clubs, but for a single man, the pickings are slim and you'll need to share or fight off lots of sweaty hard-ons like yours. Many of the clubs open in the afternoons at 4 P.M. until 8-9 for single men but you'll have to realiza that you're not the only one in the city looking to thread the needle in the mile of the workday; competition is fierce. Most popular is Cheminee. Went to Au Pluriel and Le Escapade on a Tues. night - They allow in single men, even if there are no women. Au Pluriel, which is one of the best usually, had 2 couples and about 15 men. Action was slow, so I walked to Escapade. A special place with wonderful decor, had 1 couple and 10 men. the couple left quickly ( she looked very uncomfortable and who can blame her) There are lots of these clubs now all over the city , and every time I visit there are a few more and some that change ownership/name/style so need to o research each time.
Conclusion: find an escort and go to one of the clubs that allow in only couples, or hit the clubs that allow in single men on Fri or Sat night.

Sorcerer
06-08-03, 19:15
Sounds like a tough time for singles. I am in Paris for 4 nights arriving on a Wednesday and leaving on Sunday. What clubs would you suggest for Friday and Saturday evenings - and do you need to make a reservation. I remember Le Cheminee had a call-first policy or you could not get in. A guy at the door had a list to check your name.

Hiring an escort to go to a club for an entire evening sounds too expensive.

Iseeu
06-10-03, 23:14
IMHO, Au Pluriel and L'escapade are the best, but at swingers clubs it's always hit and miss situation. Also, probably need to be a regular and local to know which are the current trendy "in" places, the types of crowds they attract ,etc. to best guage your chances for success. With all of the new clubs available, this is probably very fluid now, just like with music clubs.
Enjoy, and let us know what you find.

CA Traveler
06-15-03, 21:22
elton & sorcerer, I wrote a long posting about a year ago about the swing club scene in Paris for the single man and I think it still holds true with the exception that a few new clubs have opened. I have probably been in a Paris club privee on at least 200 occasions over a period of four years. I can attest that it can be heaven or hell depending on who shows up. No matter, you will pay anyway! Read my post to see how to decide to split immediately, at least in the winter.

Au Pluriel allows single men every night that they are open. However, it is always the luck of the draw to see how many women show up. Friday and Saturday are of course the best nights, but I've had some very hot nights on Sundays and Thursdays as well.

Le Cheminee can be very wild and is much more aggressive compared to many of the clubs. If you like gang-bang action, then LC is probably a good place to go. Friday nights require a call until they know you and it will be packed. Sunday afternoons can be unbelievably wild.

I've never taken an escort to one of the clubs although I've wanted to in order to attend some of the couples only clubs which are supposed to be heaven.

If you happen to hit Au Pluriel on a good night, I promise you will not believe the sexy women and the things that go on.

Have fun.

Iseeu
06-15-03, 23:38
Ca Traveler,
How are you? Haven't seen you posting in awhile. I was in Paris a week and a half ago - since your advice about a year and a half ago, I've been to Pluriel a bunch of times. I find Escapade's numbers more stable. Have been also to some of the others and newer ones.
Will be in Paree again in the beginning of July, if you're interested on trying to hook up again.

CA Traveler
06-16-03, 14:52
iseeu, I've been around but mostly on the Russian side... now that I've discovered the joy of beautiful Russian flesh, I can't seem to get it out of my mind and have there 7 times and spent a total of about 5 of the past 15 months there and heading back again in 2 weeks.

If you've never been and you get a chance, I strongly advise a trip to Moscow... I promise it will blow your mind!

Sorcerer
06-17-03, 00:41
Does Escapade have a website?
I'll try to find your older post.

Thanks

Sorcerer
06-17-03, 00:43
Ca Traveler.

Did you post under the same name? I searched the website for your username and only 2 recent posts came up

Iseeu
06-17-03, 23:50
CA traveler,
Yes, I've been and the sheer quantities are boggling. Haven't been to Moscow in about 2 years though. Was in St. Pete about 4 months ago. I saw some of the most beautiful pros I have ever seen at some of the nightclubs there.
Interesting enough , I find that out of the motherland the Russian girls get an attitude and are less deparate and therefore less service oriented. There are of course exceptions, but given a room full of nationalities, I knock the Russians off the rotation at the start.
Enjoy!

Bob Denard
06-18-03, 19:50
Hi guys,

A piece of advice from a Parisian. I'm relatively new top this "scene" but I'm French & been living in Paris for about a year now.

Rue St Denis : Cheap but generally poor quality. Exception made of a few, mature but still desirable ladies and 2 or 3 nice black chicks. About 60-80 eur for the full pull.

Around the Arc de Triomphe : forget it. Generally the girls are ugly or outrageously expensive. I actually got mobbed by one girl there (she brouhgt me to her place nearby and after about 5 minutes and my pants down 2 guys came out of the kitchen to mob me... nice experience).

The bois de boulogne : cheap (30-50) but you don't know until the very last second (if at all) if the girl, well, is a girl.

Swingers clubs: just tried once, last week end. Le Prélude, rue de Richelieu. Well, nice spot but the atmosphere wasn't great. Didn't stay very long. Not long enough at least...

If anyone has good leads in Paris, I'm VERY interested. I hear that around Madeleine is not bad (Eglise Malhesherbes?)

Bob

CA Traveler
06-19-03, 20:02
iseeu... I agree with you that a RU or most other girls go way downhill AFTER they've been Westernized/Americanized. That's why you've got to jump through the hoops to visit Russia to experience the "real" Russian experience! In fact, I fell in love with Russian girls at the Mikado while visiting Helsinki. Then, I visited Spb and Moscow and I soon realized that the girls that travel to Helsinki are primarily only there because they can't compete with the young beauties at home in Spb. I haven't been back to Helsinki since I began traveling to Russia. :)

sorcerer... you probably should try the archives 2001-2002 or you could search for californiatraveler.

Boofer
06-21-03, 19:36
I totally agree. Russian chicks rule. Moscow and St Petersburg are out of this world. Funny enough, loads of quality chicks from Russia can be found in Dubai. The Russian ones that I've met in Paris were great, but second tear to Dubai and Russia.

cheers

Merlin Magician
06-22-03, 00:04
Bob Denard,

You are correct about Place de St. Madelaine/ St. Malesherbes area. I stay in Paris about four times yearly and this my favorite area.

From the St. Malesherbes church south toward St. Madeleine church is pretty prime pickings area with nice older ladies to all the way up to the grade 8 and 9 young hotties. Best time is after 9:00 PM. I have seen some pretty nice stuff in daytime there too.

Most of the older ladies work out of their cars (usually a Mercedes or Citroen) in the side streets along this area. Pretty safe bj (avec le pipe)in the car about avg. 20 Euro.

All the younger ladies know cabbies who let you ride around cheap and get a nice "avec le pipe" or F/S (le amour) in the back of a roomy taxi van. Prices range from 30 to 40 for bj to up to 80 to 100 Euro for F/S or 1/2 & 1/2..

I Love Sluts
06-22-03, 01:29
Hey Mongers,

Check out the Arc and the street corner of Avenue Foch around 4 or 5 oclock, you will get hot business women selling their body. The spot is right in front of Club Foch, the women will be looking to get picked up. The women in their cars are almost always older on avenue foch with there blinking lights.

The Bois de Boulogne has the hottest chicks though, but you must be prepared to make sure they are not a guy. I bet 75 percent are guys , but I have picked up chicks here that were so hot. Yes they were really female, not transgenered. The hottest ones in the Du Bois are male, be careful. Never pick up a black girl here, their pimp is close and will rip you off. I picked up a black girl who looked like Vanessa Williams, and she ripped me off.

The streets off to the side opposite Avenue Foch always has some lookers from many foreign countries. I do no remember the streets, but they were one street in a complete 180 angle from Avenue Foch around the Arc, go down one street from the Arc and there will be plenty around midnight.

Darren Roberts
07-02-03, 12:02
I have spent some time at the Meridien Hotel, Montparnasse, Paris. Usually in the bar area in the entrance lobby from 9pm till midnight there are some single girls drinking coca cola. These girls are available and if you smile at them they will smile back - and contact is made.

It was at the hotel that I met "Loubna". She is a Morrocan girl aged about 20 and agrred to come to the room. For €100 we had girlfriend sex in the bed/on the bed every where. She gives french kisses as though she really loved you and a bbbj, but wants a condom fo sex. She was so nice I took her number for next time.

The next occasion I called and she asked if I would pay for the taxi to/from the hotel - so paid €160. Again we had boy/girlfriend sex and a shower together. All in all an hour of fun. Her body is very good although she has a small bent tooth and a cut (scar) under one eye.

She asked me to give her number to friends but not post it on the internet as she worked independantly and did not want a "pimp" to find her. However when she went to go I offered to take her to a taxi. I went down with her to the lobby and she said it was OK and she will go on her own. I said goodbye but looked where she went. Outsude there was a man waiting for her and they both got into a white van - the taxi! I guess the man was her pimp/boyfriend.

Anyway I will call her again because she is good fun - gives all - and does not watch the clock and think of a way to disseminate her number.

Anyway there are other girls dicreetly sitting in the bar area of the lobby - asking €150 to €200 but can be negotiated easily down to €100.

Denis
07-03-03, 10:09
Originally posted by Darren Roberts
I have spent some time at the Meridien Hotel, Montparnasse, Paris. Usually in the bar area in the entrance lobby from 9pm till midnight there are some single girls drinking coca cola. These girls are available and if you smile at them they will smile back - and contact is made.

It was at the hotel that I met "Loubna". She is a Morrocan girl aged about 20 and agrred to come to the room. For €100 we had girlfriend sex in the bed/on the bed every where. She gives french kisses as though she really loved you and a bbbj, but wants a condom fo sex. She was so nice I took her number for next time.

The next occasion I called and she asked if I would pay for the taxi to/from the hotel - so paid €160. Again we had boy/girlfriend sex and a shower together. All in all an hour of fun. Her body is very good although she has a small bent tooth and a cut (scar) under one eye.


She asked me to give her number to friends but not post it on the internet as she worked independantly and did not want a "pimp" to find her. However when she went to go I offered to take her to a taxi. I went down with her to the lobby and she said it was OK and she will go on her own. I said goodbye but looked where she went. Outsude there was a man waiting for her and they both got into a white van - the taxi! I guess the man was her pimp/boyfriend.

Anyway I will call her again because she is good fun - gives all - and does not watch the clock and think of a way to disseminate her number.

Anyway there are other girls dicreetly sitting in the bar area of the lobby - asking €150 to €200 but can be negotiated easily down to €100.

Darren,
I am now in Paris could you email me her number? denis_cap@hotmail.com
Thanks

Furansujin
07-03-03, 19:02
Hi guys,

I am looking for asian girls in Paris (specially Japanese ones). Does anyone know where I can find some? I don t mind the price just want Asian girls.

Thank you.

Mario-X
07-11-03, 05:14
Darren or Denis

I would also appreciate getting Loubna's phone number (email to mario-x@boxfrog.com).

I will be in Paris later this month, in fact was thinking I should stay in the Montparnnase area because I have to take a train from that station when I leave Paris. I might hang out at the Meridien on your advice, but I would be more likely (in terms of taste and budget) to choose a nearby 2-star hotel. Would you happen to have any such hotel recommendations in Montparnasse?

Sorcerer
07-12-03, 01:07
Sultana Sixty-Two

***** I have editied this post from the original content to update it with the latest information *****


This is a new club - about 4 months old. Located in Pigalle 62 Rue J.B. Pigalle 75009
Tel 01 48 78 15 75

Ordinarily I would recommend staying away from Pigalle due to the high pressure rip-offs but this is an exception.

They call it a Club Libertim. It is essentrially a swing club. Not quite as liberal as the German swing clubs - but VERY liberal for a Paris club.

They also offer very erotic massages. The cost is 50 Euros to get in (daytime) and 70 Euros (nighttime). The massage is 50 Euro if you buy it with the entry and 100 Euros if you buy it later. I think for 50 euros more you can get full service.

HOWEVER - I wnet back Saturday night and they charged me 70+100. I think the fact that I do not speak French put me at a disadvantage (RIPPED OFF)

Drinks are a bit steep. The cheapest are soft drinks - 7 euros daytime 15 euros night time. There is no pressure to buy drinks and no pressure from the girls to buy drinks. I was talking to one beautiful girls who was "on staff" as a massage-pro and she had a soft drink and did not have to pay. They have a fully equipped bar and the costs can SKYROCKET for liquor. I saw some drinks for 30 euros and some wine or champagne for over 100 euros. But that is your choice.

The club is very modern and has a big jacuzzi as well as a number of well appointed rooms. One room has a big St Andrews cross and toys. The other rooms have large beds for playtime. As soon as you walk in you are given a key for a locker. You leave your clother and valuales in the locker and you wear a towel. This is very good because now everyone is "ready" and in the mood to jump into the Jacuzzi. And they do ... And after to jacuzzi you can shower together ... and they do ... and there is both a steam sauna and a dry sauna. Both are used by people. Giving a nice massage to a naked lady is a great way to break the ice for a follow-on massage on one of the many beds.

There are plenty of condoms and lube packets in each room.

I went in the afternoon. The "real people" do not come to swing then. They have a small staff of professionals for massage.
I has a VERY erotic massage from a young student named Teetay. That is a phonetic spelling. Lasted about a hour - full body to body with her using every part she has on every part I have. She included a RIM JOB, a BBBJ, and lots of body to body work as well as kissing. A real GFE.

She manipulated the masage for an hour to keep me very at a very high state and she kept backup off when I was ready to cum. She softly massaged me to a slow letdown - saying she wanted to save me for later. ????

Later, not part of the massage, we went into the Jacuzzi together. She did an underwater BBBJ and took it all in! Now I know why she wanted to save it.

Saturday I had a massage from a young girl names Cindy. Not very good and she tried to hustle me for an extra 30 euro for a "hand finish". So it is a mixed bag there. Negotiate BEFORE you get the massage.

In the evenings, the place if full of amateur swingers. Mostly couples staying with other couples. A couple ofloose women making the rounds. Being a new club, the people who come are not as "hard" as those who go to Cheminee. (Did that also - not so good)

Merlin Magician
07-12-03, 03:41
Sorcerer,

I'll take a look at this place, Sultana 62, a Club Libertim, when I go next month.

If 50 Eur entry and 50 Eur massage is for an hour at the price you say, it is a good deal. Any pressure for tips?

I will report on the place. It may well be a one of a kind.

However, I'm still a little hinky about places in the Pigalle/Blvd de Clichy area.

Sorcerer
07-12-03, 09:24
I updated the post by editing it. Take a new look. I was also very skeptical about Pigalle. This is not on the Blvd. Chichy and does not have touts outside bringing you in. It is a very high class club with exceptionally clean areas decorated in a very expensive way. You can see that lots of money was put into this place. They screen you on the way in to keep out the drunks etc.

Merlin Magician
07-12-03, 17:01
I was surprised by Rue Pigalle the first time I went there. I had actually walked there from Blvd des Italiennes by the Opera.

It is really a quiet area and what surprised me was the coziness of it. However, when I reached the end where it intersects with the metro station and de Clichy, things sure lit up. The Moulin Rouge is at this intersection.

All along here too from Italiennes to Pigalle, I saw many ladies in cars looking for "avec le pipe"customers.

A lot of ladies were also on foot, mostly older and plumper. Funny thing, all these older ones seem to buy their tan trenchcoats at the same shops. Kinda like a uniform, I guess. (Reminds me of a German hooker I once saw in Honolulu. She wore a tan trenchcoat over her skimpy bikini.)

Denis
07-13-03, 15:13
Originally posted by Merlin Magician
I was surprised by Rue Pigalle the first time I went there. I had actually walked there from Blvd des Italiennes by the Opera.

It is really a quiet area and what surprised me was the coziness of it. However, when I reached the end where it intersects with the metro station and de Clichy, things sure lit up. The Moulin Rouge is at this intersection.

All along here too from Italiennes to Pigalle, I saw many ladies in cars looking for "avec le pipe"customers.

A lot of ladies were also on foot, mostly older and plumper. Funny thing, all these older ones seem to buy their tan trenchcoats at the same shops. Kinda like a uniform, I guess. (Reminds me of a German hooker I once saw in Honolulu. She wore a tan trenchcoat over her skimpy bikini.)

merlin,
do not trust to much the girls in this area, it is mostly rip off and poor service. if you are into SW , choose the Eastern Europe girls working on the Boulevard de Marechaux, they are uselly much younger and if you offer extra money they will treat you like a king.

Denis

Merlin Magician
07-13-03, 17:45
Thanks Denis,

Yes, I am aware of any hazards in Pigalle area. How do you think it gained the nicname of "Pig Alley?"

You are correct, de Marchaux is good for Eastern Euro girls. Eastern Euro girls are world class beauties, as are the French ladies.

As usual, I will be staying in the Madeleine/Malesherbes area again, which is my favorite haunt.

Bob Denard
07-15-03, 18:59
Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried the saunas in Paris. I hear it can be pretty hot and that couples actually hang around looking for single men???

Thanks for your input

Bob

Bono
07-21-03, 04:48
Hi Guys, Well I got a question.Last time I went to Paris I stayed at the Holiday Inn at Republic square.I did everything you guys advised me to do. I went down near the Louvre museum, walked around the Eiffel Tower and the Presidents house or something but no luck .What am I doing wrong or more specifically where should I look.I am planning a trip to Paris this October and it would be nice to meet some people from Paris with whom I can discuss this.

Getopardo
07-21-03, 15:28
To Bono

I am a little surprised that anybody told you that you might be lucky near or around the Elysees.

My recommendation would be to walk from Republique to Strasbourg Saint Denis ("les grands boulevards"), and then go down rue Saint-Denis, towards les halles. Don't do that after 10pm, though.

A little more "up-market", you could decide to walk near the Madeleine Church, after 7 or 8pm.

Have a nice stay.

Sorcerer
07-21-03, 21:42
St. Denis is OK if you like 60 year old fat women in old-world clothing. Are you kidding!

Elton
07-22-03, 10:40
Regarding Rue St Denis, my experience is not all that bad, IF you like Asian and/or black girls.

The few white girls working there are old and ugly, or druggies, no question about that - but Asian and black ones are available in all shapes, sizes and aging 20 and upwards.

Madeleine is definately more upmarket. Last time I was there, earlier this summer, the asking price in Madeleine was 80-100 Euros, in St Denis the lowest quote I got was 50 Euros.

Getopardo
07-23-03, 16:04
About rue Saint-Denis.

Agreed, rue Saint Denis is not always as it should be (or as it used to be 10 years ago). But there are usually a dozen "not unpretty" girls (mostly black, yes) and a dozen, let us say, older or less pretty ones.

French people will usually start talking on the basis of 30 euros (more only if the girl is pretty, or if you want a "longer" job than usual ).

Concerning Madeleine, I have no idea about prices. 100 euros would seem very high to me, unless the girl is very pretty.

Charly
07-27-03, 13:03
I made an interesting observation a couple of weeks ago: I walked down Rue St. Denis at 5 p.m. Saturday night and saw a dark hottie that I was interested in. Since she was in conversation with a potential customer I walked on and - because I was horny like hell - choose a different chick down the road, not quite so beautiful but also dark and sexy. When we were finished, I walked by the original girl again but - since I had had sex just a couple of minutes ago - had to promise her to see her the next day.

The next Sunday morning @ around 7 a.m. (yes, I am an early bird) I walked through St. Denis again and guess what: That girl was still standing on the same corner! Actually she didn't wait for me, but like many of her colleagues, spent the whole night on the street! Does anyone know whether they simply don't want to miss a single potential customer of if they just don't have their own room and the room they go with you isn't their own (rented) room but that of friends? Would be really interesting to find out. Unfortunately I cannot find out myself, since I'm not in France anymore.

Bono
07-30-03, 11:31
Originally posted by Getopardo
To Bono

I am a little surprised that anybody told you that you might be lucky near or around the Elysees.

My recommendation would be to walk from Republique to Strasbourg Saint Denis ("les grands boulevards"), and then go down rue Saint-Denis, towards les halles. Don't do that after 10pm, though.

A little more "up-market", you could decide to walk near the Madeleine Church, after 7 or 8pm.

Have a nice stay.
Thanks dude,By the way are you from Paris>I am just curious. So I will take up on your recommendations and If i am lucky I owe you a beer

Boofer
07-31-03, 10:49
My experiance with St. Denis is varied.

One time an asian chick rocked my world. Most other times, the white chicks are racist and wont come near you unless if you are european looking. I guess they had so much shit from the Algerians living in France so they avoid all dark men.

EFrog
08-01-03, 22:03
Originally posted by Bono
Hi Guys, Well I got a question.Last time I went to Paris I stayed at the Holiday Inn at Republic square.I did everything you guys advised me to do. I went down near the Louvre museum, walked around the Eiffel Tower and the Presidents house or something but no luck .What am I doing wrong or more specifically where should I look.I am planning a trip to Paris this October and it would be nice to meet some people from Paris with whom I can discuss this.

Hi Bono,
the guys who told you about these areas were just kidding you. Why don't you try to ring at White House and ask GWB if Monica is still around, visit Metropolitan Museum NYC hoping that wxxxres are watching the Lehman collection or get to Statue of Liberty and check about streetworkers around...
Street action in Paris is very bad since recent new laws about SW that are really enforced... past it was a joke.
If you really wanna get some action :
- St Denis is gambling but at least there is a pot to play with ;-))
- Boulevard des Maréchaux : risky and forget if you don't have a car... where do you want to have fun ? on the street, selling tickets for watching Big Bono's Bone game ?
- around Madeleine is a good advice... if you don't like fresh meat... This is like trying a blind date at Miami princesses area... don't forget Viagra... for her... and anyway expensive... for street business
- Vincennes and Bois de Boulogne, beside in last one : your nice pick may show great balls... or what's left of it... in both case you must be ready to get the bottom tier... where sometime it can be good luck with newcomer. But mostly poor service rush and highly pro in bad acceptation of pro... 30 sec done.
- on Champs Elysees , late in night and mostly junkies still enough good looking to beg there (it is the right word sorry) before being burned and get to Boulevard des Marechaux bad areas.
- Porte Maillot, half and half , odds are against you but the casino doesn't always win to surprise is possible
- rue de Provence behind Galerie Lafayette, can be some luck if... if... but 1 out of ten... just cheap anyway....
- around Arc de Triomphe (bld Presbourg, Avenue Victor Hugo, Avenue Marceau, Avenue de Wagram...) this can be a good area especially thanks non pro sometimes but again it is against the casino and here also recent laws dropped working w-attendance...
You know the best in Paris are the clubs. Not the rip-off places named american bars (fun isn't it), I am speaking of few places or swinger clubs. The fee you pay to get in is mostly cheaper than what you pay for one on the streets and there if you are lucky, it is all you can eat (nice image).
There are a lot but I would hate to ruin some of them by giving here the addresses...
You know what I mean : many time US guys are ruining good places either by over paying tipping or worth with poor attitude.
OK for a beer you promissed in an other mail and maybe if you prove reliable, I would get you direct some good addresses.

EFrog
08-01-03, 22:14
Originally posted by Bob Denard
Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried the saunas in Paris. I hear it can be pretty hot and that couples actually hang around looking for single men???

Thanks for your input

Bob

lol,

mostly in sauna couples are MM and so instead of 2 you will get 4 balls in your back what will make a strange 6 balls.
I knew about eight balls but you can try with 6...

Bono
08-03-03, 12:11
Originally posted by eFrog
Hi Bono,
the guys who told you about these areas were just kidding you. Why don't you try to ring at White House and ask GWB if Monica is still around, visit Metropolitan Museum NYC hoping that wxxxres are watching the Lehman collection or get to Statue of Liberty and check about streetworkers around...
Street action in Paris is very bad since recent new laws about SW that are really enforced... past it was a joke.
If you really wanna get some action :
- St Denis is gambling but at least there is a pot to play with ;-))
- Boulevard des Maréchaux : risky and forget if you don't have a car... where do you want to have fun ? on the street, selling tickets for watching Big Bono's Bone game ?
- around Madeleine is a good advice... if you don't like fresh meat... This is like trying a blind date at Miami princesses area... don't forget Viagra... for her... and anyway expensive... for street business
- Vincennes and Bois de Boulogne, beside in last one : your nice pick may show great balls... or what's left of it... in both case you must be ready to get the bottom tier... where sometime it can be good luck with newcomer. But mostly poor service rush and highly pro in bad acceptation of pro... 30 sec done.
- on Champs Elysees , late in night and mostly junkies still enough good looking to beg there (it is the right word sorry) before being burned and get to Boulevard des Marechaux bad areas.
- Porte Maillot, half and half , odds are against you but the casino doesn't always win to surprise is possible
- rue de Provence behind Galerie Lafayette, can be some luck if... if... but 1 out of ten... just cheap anyway....
- around Arc de Triomphe (bld Presbourg, Avenue Victor Hugo, Avenue Marceau, Avenue de Wagram...) this can be a good area especially thanks non pro sometimes but again it is against the casino and here also recent laws dropped working w-attendance...
You know the best in Paris are the clubs. Not the rip-off places named american bars (fun isn't it), I am speaking of few places or swinger clubs. The fee you pay to get in is mostly cheaper than what you pay for one on the streets and there if you are lucky, it is all you can eat (nice image).
There are a lot but I would hate to ruin some of them by giving here the addresses...
You know what I mean : many time US guys are ruining good places either by over paying tipping or worth with poor attitude.
OK for a beer you promissed in an other mail and maybe if you prove reliable, I would get you direct some good addresses.

Thanks for the info man.Well I will still treat you to a few drinks if you can provide me with the info I need.I really want to do some French women as I have never had one of them . Well may I ask are you French? Anyhow I know about us ruining things for thepeople there by over paying but thats because we do not have any idea on what to pay. Maybe we should have a forum discussion on this .
Thanks again and talk to you soon>Bono

Toscana
08-04-03, 22:42
Anyone tried Wild Escorts http://www.wild-escorts.co.uk/ ?
Escorts (Russian) seem to tour Paris regularly. Would be grateful for input.

Toscana

Poney Ride
08-11-03, 15:25
Paris is now a verry bad place for street action. The Marecheaux bld used to be a place with a lot of different ladies. Now it's verry bad and there is a lot of police.

You can have some action in a van in the Bois the Vincenne for cheap near the Hypodrome. Anyway places like Pigale and Rue Saint Denis are rip off.

Enjoy Paris anyway.

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Doctor Grim
08-12-03, 20:26
Hi guys, I'm going to France, Belgium, and Holland. Do I need a VISA for these countries if I will travel with an US passport? Thanks.

SeniorCitizen
08-12-03, 21:40
Originally posted by Doctor Grim
Hi guys, I'm going to France, Belgium, and Holland. Do I need a VISA for these countries if I will travel with an US passport? Thanks.

Again, no

Bono
08-13-03, 01:40
Originally posted by SeniorCitizen
Again, no

Citizens of the United States only need a valid passport with atleast six months to expiration to travel throught most European countries.As senior citizen said no . Hope that clarifies the positon .With an American passport you dont need a visa to go most places

FlyBy
08-14-03, 05:08
Going to be in Paris one night only. Staying on the Champs Elysee. I believe that is near Avenue Foch. Can anyone tell me where the current action is? I'd like to meet an attractive young woman, 20's, french or euro don't matter; $$$ no object..but the less I spend the happier I will be :)

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Merlin Magician
08-15-03, 03:14
FlyBy,

Go north from the Trocadero and head toward Place de Madelaine. Anyplace north of Madelaine to Malesherbes. You may find a few ladies between Troc and Mad also.

Dont go to De Clichy, Pigalle, or St Denis. Take a bodyguard if you do.

I'm finding the girls are thinning out, but one reason is this is August and everybody holidays in August in France.

The other reason and this distresses me deeply, is that the police have used the new street crime laws to start harassing the Working Girls. This law was originally designed to cut street crime targeting tourists like purse snatchers and Gypsies who pickpocket and use their kids to commit crimes.

Far as I know, the gypsies are still there and the pickpockets still operate with impunity.

Member #1121
08-15-03, 18:34
Guys,
Have any of you visited any of these strip clubs in Paris? I read that pigalle is a total rip off. Do all these clubs fall under the rip-off category?

Also have any of you visited any discos in Paris? Any recommendations would be highly appreciated.

CAPRICORNE
Striptease cabarets
5, rue Molière
75001 PARIS
+33 (1).42.96.20.27

FREQUENCE CAFE
Striptease cabarets
56, rue Notre Dame de Lorette
75009 PARIS
+33 (1).42.82.95.06

LE HUSTLER CLUB / LARRY FLINT
Striptease cabarets
13-15, rue de Berri
75008 PARIS
+33 (1) 53 53 86 00

LE PENITENCIER
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22, rue Jacob
75006 PARIS
+33 (1).43.26.45.93

PINK PARADISE / GUETTA
Striptease cabarets
49-51, rue de Ponthieu
75008 PARIS
+33 (1).58.36.19.20

STRINGFELLOWS
Striptease cabarets
27, avenue des Ternes
75017 PARIS
+33 (1).47.66.45.00

VILLA D'ESTE
Striptease cabarets
4, rue Arsène Houssaye
75008 PARIS
+33 (1).43.59.78.44

How about " Showgirls", near "Chatelet, off rue de Rivoli? Anyone been there? Is that a rip-off too? I read that here girls will perform lesbian acts, cunninlingus,etc... while sitting on your lap?

OwnaFord1994
08-17-03, 00:32
How about the street girls in Blond street? Still there? Not the best but if you walk from central Paris and follow your vibe some years ago, you probably end up walking up to St Denis. And if you drive around central Paris following your vibe, I ended up in Blond street.

Velcro
08-17-03, 07:03
This is an oldie but a goodie, dating from my visit in 2001.

There was a 'swinger club' near Place des Pyramides, a place whose address I still remember, where I had an amazing experience. The name has nothing to do with the shape of a triangle, no, another place. Think of a South American country, and with a little gallicization, that's the street it's on. Then think of the floor number that, on account of superstition, is omitted from buildings. And there you are. How close it is to a school I count as one of those lovely Parisian ironies.

I won't go long about the details, but it was 160ff to get in, then beers at 48ff, then at midnight, four girls getting 'plaisired' by about 20 guys. That ratio would normally put me WAY off. It happened all of a sudden. One girl went back, and whoom! All the men waiting like me for something to happen, they all just vanished into the nooks and crannies. When I walked into a 'bed area,' there was a classic, rotating gangbang going on, always with a 2-1 ratio. This I avoided.

About 2 hrs in, I started dancing with the best looking of the girls, who was wearing only a G string. That part alone is what I rememeber best (isn't it that way sometimes?) Hands all over her, her giggling. The actual sex, amazing, but the lead-up, more memorable. After I left her, a line had formed and she ended up with about six other guys in the next 40 minutes. One of them, a 20-something Parisian guy who looked like he didn't need to go to a swinger club, actually thanked me for getting the ball rolling.

How any of the girls can make a living off staffing a place like this, I'd love to know. And they weren't imports, junkies, gypsies. The beers don't cost enough for them to make much off the bar tab, and the entry fee must go to rent, considering the neighborhood. How naive it would be to think the girls were there for the good time (as one of the girls assurred me). Riiiight. But, then again...how ARE you getting paid?

Anybody know if this place is still open? My quiz at the top can't be too mensa for anyone familiar with Paris not to get it.

On the other hand entirely...St. Denis, what a fucking ripoff! I won't even go into how I blew 300ff there, or how I accidentally went to ISLE St. Denis first. Just stay out of that armpit of the sex trade.

Ciao,

Velcro

EFrog
08-17-03, 21:40
Senior Citizen, no problem with your US passport to get to European countries, even if it is a shame based on reciprocity.
From 10/1, to get reverse to the US, European citizen will need to ask for a Visa if their passport is older than 2 years. Remember that all EC passports are issued for 5 years, so statiscally 3/5 of people having a passport from a 350 millions people area will have to ask for a visa, just because... their passport don't match the latest technology... even for business people having ten's of previous entries in the US. Ridiculous.
This visa will cost them 100$ and will take 8 weeks to get delivered mainly because it will include a meeting with an Embassy officer...
Of course, you can still throw away your still valid passport "2 years and one week" old and ask for a new one, at full new cost.
This would happen in the US what would you say ?
Honnestly said don't you think all this a shame ?
And of course, at arrival, no way to check electronically the new passport : electricity black out...
I am just kidding : better to laugh about it, no?
In addition, it is of course known that all dangerous guys entering the US are European native citizens...

Well let us still be friendly with our friends visiting so easily US to EC way...
FlyBy, as there is only one hotel on Champs Elysee you will stay at Mxxrxxtt.
Good choice, great place.
Forget about Merlin M crap advice :
1) Trocadero is as close to your hotel than Grand Central in NYC would be from Washington Square... next door ...
2) between Trocadero and Champs, beside empty streets, you won't see a lot.
3) Champs to Madeleine (watch the spelling Merlin) is another 45 minutes to an hour. I let you imagine how valid is the advice to go from Trocadero to Madeleine. As you only have one night, in the city... it looks like experiencing "the loneliness of the long distance runner"...
In addition, girls around Madeleine are not exactly first tier. But it is like beef : some like it rare, some do weldone...

Considering the short time you have, and money is not a too bad issue, I would suggest better way to get what you want.

A) in hotel like the one you are staying remember that the guy with the golden keys can be your best friend... he knows what can be around available. Make it discret, because it is illegal in France and he could be in trouble for pimping,... but we all know that they stil do... (Back up is chief bartender : he knows about the nice girls coming every day to have just a glass of Perrier water, until a magician changes it in Champagne gold bubbles...
There a lot of great looking former east block girls switching from place to place around the Champs.
B) take a cab and get to Porte Maillot, to the Concorde Lafayette hotel. Get into the hotel and take the elevator to the bar at top floor (38th if I remember right). First you will have the most beautiful view of Paris, so it is worth the ride anyway... but additionaly the place is known to be a contact place with good scale SW. You will notice several good looking alone girl seated at small tables.
Activate your radar and your eye contact machinery... it shouldn't take a long time before you get connected.
Only risk is that it is August ... slow activity... SW are moving to Riviera either for vacations or for business : following the market when it moves... ;-)
You may even get your luck in the elevator... watch around you, girls are crusing that 1,000 rooms business hotel to find... what you mean.

If you are into black african girls, there is another excellent option : it is late but hunting can also be fun at night... Around 11 pm, take a cab and get to the Ruby's at rue Dauphine in Quartier Latin area.
You will find at least 40 good looking girls from former french or UK african colonies in the place. It is not a rip off bar, it is a disco and the girls are mostly non pro or semi pro, working or studying the day and make additional money at night.
No cover charge, no drinks or bottle to buy before you take your girl out.
All the deal is with the girl herself.
A full night with GFE will cost you less than an hour escort in the US.

Well FlyBy hope that this will help you, but if you want to walk 5 miles you can still follow Merlin's advice...

Denis
08-18-03, 08:34
Originally posted by ownaford1994
How about the street girls in Blond street? Still there? Not the best but if you walk from central Paris and follow your vibe some years ago, you probably end up walking up to St Denis. And if you drive around central Paris following your vibe, I ended up in Blond street.

The street name is Rue Blondel.
Yes they are still some girls there, with each at least 200.000 miles on the clock. If you are on the high mileage girls I recently found many mid 30, some mid 40 Chinese girls working between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the streets behind the Bd Soult
Bonne Chance
Denis

Doctor Grim
08-19-03, 04:32
Sr. Citizen et al.

Thanks for the info on the passport/visa issue!

Zapadnya
08-24-03, 19:10
Hey Denis !

Where can I find the best looking hookers in Paris ?

Thanks.

Laloupe
08-24-03, 21:55
hi


Could you tell me where are asiatics girls in paris?
are they beautifuls?
how much is it?
how many times?


please a long report about it.


thanks

Denis
08-25-03, 10:21
Originally posted by Laloupe
hi


Could you tell me where are asiatics girls in paris?
are they beautifuls?
how much is it?
how many times?


please a long report about it.


thanks
LaLoupe,
The only Asian (Chinese) girls working in Paris I know at the present time are SW between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the back street parrallel to the Bd Soult.
I had one last Saturday, 30 year old , 40 € for a full service no rush in the car ,(they will also go to hotel near by) BJ are also available for 30€, they are probably 4 to 5 girls working there in the afternoons.
Bonne Chance.
Denis

Algeria for Ever
08-26-03, 06:42
Originally posted by Denis

The only Asian (Chinese) girls working in Paris I know at the present time are SW between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the back street parrallel to the Bd Soult.
As far as I know, they are Chinese girls working around the Strasbourg Saint Denis metro station. They usually keep walking around the station, and on the Boulevard de Strasbourg, up to the Chateau d'Eau metro station. In the good days there must be about 10 of them.

Beware, they are all above 30, and some of them are total dogs.

They usually ask 30 Euros for themselves and 30 Euros for the Hotel. So that's 60 euros total. If you're a cheap bastard, you can get the price down to 50 euros.

I've also seen half a dozen of Chinese girls (same, about 30 to 50, not too pretty) working around the Belleville metro station, near the Chinese restaurant called The President.

But believe me, I live in China now, and those SW you can find on Paris'streets are like the ugliest bottom end of what China has to offer.

Algeria for Ever
08-26-03, 06:54
Originally posted by Boofer
Most other times, the white chicks are racist and wont come near you unless if you are european looking. I guess they had so much shit from the Algerians living in France so they avoid all dark men. Sorry mate, but I have to take offense at your comment.

First, I'm Algerian and I' whiter than most French people I know. So much for you 'dark men' comment.

Second, why would Algerians give SWs more "shit" than other nationalities ? That was a hell of a prejudiced and racist comment if I ever saw one.

And last but not least, I never had any problem with any white chick from St Denis street or wherever. Not ONCE have I been rejected because I was Algerian. And I've seen black dudes going with white or North-African chicks more than once.

As far as I know, the only people St Denis street girls are prejudiced against are Pakistanis/Indians, for a reason I ignore.

And, to all of you tourists who go to St Denis street, remember well : the "universal" going price for FS is 50 euros. Not one penny less, not one penny more. I've read different reports talking of 60 or even 80 euros. Sounds like the girls levied an " unaware tourist tax" there... :-)

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Denis
08-26-03, 08:54
Update on the scene in the Bois de Vincennes
Now most of the actions are done in minivans parked on the roads in the wood.
I have counted yesterday evening around 120 minivans, so there are plenty to choose from, the majority of the girls are blacks from Ghana and Nigeria, most of them are young and clean and pretty, services offered are mostly BJ for 20€ and FS for 30€ but if you are in something different like anal, or 2 girls, I am sure they will provide, as long as you have Euros. They are located when you go from the Chateau de Vincennes (Vincennes’s Castel) to the Hippodrome (horse race track).
In front of the Park Floral you will find Vans with Moroccan, Tunisian and Algerian girls, same rates but they are normally old , fat and ugly.
The bois de Vincennes does not provide Transsexual like the Bois de Boulogne does.
The area is pretty safe, police will not bother you. My only recommendation is to go from 11.00am to 10.00pm (I least you can see what you are buying as it is still not dark.) Also by experience have in your pocket only what you are willing to spend. I do not say they will try to rob you but !.
Have fun.
Denis

Algeria for Ever
08-27-03, 04:46
You can find some street action around Porte Maillot (near the Concorde Lafayette and the Meridien hotel).

Accross the huge Palais des Congres (Exhibition Center) there is a big traffic circle. Just drive/walk around this traffic circle. Near a small brickwall they are usually 3/4 Eastern European girls waiting to be picked up. They are in their early 20s and relatively good looking.

The action takes place in the parking lot under the Exhibition Center (very safe, it is usually quiet). The girls can either go in your car or walk with you there (fun but very unconfortable since you FS in an open-air area).

Near the entrance of the parking lot there is also a blond-haired French woman in her 40's, but her body is still hot. She usually sits in her own car, which is good when you're a pedestrian. Action takes place in the parking lot as well, in her car.

Prices for both the Eastern Europeans and the French woman : 30 euros for BJ, 50 euros for FS.

Knuckhead
08-31-03, 00:44
Dear Velcro:

I remember the club you are referring to!!! I went once in late 2001 and two more times in early 2002. I am from the U.S. so I can not tell you if it is still open. The club changed names between my visits. It was first called the "Triangle" and later changed its name to "Le Abyss" or something like that. This information is true as of early 2002, so mongers please report any changes. It is located on 13 Rue de Argentuil. This is one of the few swingers' clubs that admit unaccompanied men. The owner (Jean- Luc, I believe was his name) and his wife manage the place and keep the atmosphere going with dances, etc, but do not engage in action. The owner does not speak any English, but was very accomodating to me despite my highly elementary French. Your experience was absolutely typical. Many days you would go and nothing would happen, but once the action got started then everybody followed. I do have to disagree with you. I do not think the girls were hired entertainer. I think these were just horny women who were regulars. The incentive is that the couples as well as unaccompanied women pay next to nothing as enterance fee, as opposed to unaccompanied mongers like us who pay close to 80 Euros for the evening session.

I had a lot of fun there, and made a few friends with the locals. If anyone else knows what happened of this place I'd like to know.

Getopardo
09-04-03, 15:05
Street action in Paris.

It is now clear that the French police has made much headway and significatly reduced street action in Paris itself. I have just been walking all through rue Saint Denis. I doubt if the street can still be considered as a reason to visit Paris.

If you happen to go to Paris, and time is not an issue, you may have a go. Otherwise, forget it.

Phil
09-15-03, 14:43
My question is to eFrog: Can you give me an estimate on how much the African girls typically charge for all night at the Ruby's club?

Phil

FKK Newbie
09-17-03, 02:29
I had a terrible experience in Paris two weeks ago and I am writing this and hoping that none of have to go through it. I cannot stress it enough but Paris is a total rip off. My buddy and I had read many reports here that said that american bars will be a total ripoff but I guess we had to learn it the hard way.

We went to Pigalle area on a Monday night. The area had a lot of bars and strip clubs there with escorts actively convincing guys to go in and check out the club. They seem to do everything possible just to get you in the club. Because once you're in they know they have got you. We were roaming around and came across this guy (his name was Jesse I think) and he approched us and asked us if we wanted to see live sex shows in the club. He said the entrance was 10 euros and included a drink. At that point we should have said "NO" reading all the reviews from this board but as they say "curiosity gets the cat" and so did it get us. We asked him how many girls there were inside and what their nationality was etc. He asked us to take a look inside. We resisted saying that we dont really want to go but he said it was no problem at all and we had no obligation to stay if we did not want to. Remember, these guys will pretend to be your best friends while they try to get you in. So me and my buddy step inside just to see what its like.

As soon as we stepped inside we saw that the whole club was empty of customers. Thats a BIG WARNING to leave immediately from any of these clubs. There were about 4 girls and one unattractive hostess. They sort of came onto us. One girl grabbed me and the other grabbed my buddy. They took us in saying it was ok and we should just see what is there inside. Immediately, they made us sit on the sofas and started flirting with us. Within seconds this hostess came and asked me what drink I would like (now remember one drink was included with the entrance so we thought it was ok) She brought me a coke and within seconds brought another drink for the girl. My buddy had the same experience. He asked the girl who will be paying for the drinks and she said she will. Within seconds, a black girl started performing some sort of show. Now remember all this is happening very fast (before we could realize that this was going on) The girl and the show was terrible and lasted only about a few minutes and then she came over to us looking for tips but we ignored her.

All the while girls continued to flirt with us touching us and asking the usual questions like where you were from (since we were from states and obviusly they knew that we were tourists). Now we had read all these reports and we knew something was wrong so we tried to leave but again they insisted that we stayed. Again, the girls started to bring cigarettes from the bar and when we refused they said that it was for them. Then the hostess brought a champagne for the girl and that point we just got up forcefully and started to leave towards the door.

At this point, the girls started to scream and ran after us towards the door. The hostess closed the door and started screaming at us too saying that we were trying to leave without paying the bill. We agreed to pay the 10 euro each as was promised to us but she said that we must pay 850 euros!!!!!!! Yes, you read it right - 850 euros. We were totally shocked and realized that all that we had read was actually happening to us. We started arguing with the girls and the hostess, but they screamed back all the while pushing us and asking us for the money. They got very rude and violent, not the girls that they earlier were pretending to be. According to them they charged us 20 euro each for our soft drinks, 80 euro each for the girls soft drinks, some 100 euro for the show, about 100 euro each for the girl's company, other x euros for the girls touching us, and so on making a total of 850 euros. At this point we demanded to speak with the guy who let us in. He came in and acted differently as well. He said he would help us out but in a way was threatening us. He was very rude and argued with us also. He said he would help us and tried to reduce the bill to 360 euros as if he was doing a favor to us because we were students and tourists. BULLSHIT! They were all involved in this conspiracy. Anyway after much arguing we decided to pay them the 360 euros for both of us and decided to leave and end it there. There was nothing we could do at that point except to put an end to this.

The name of the bar was Eva Bar on Pigalle.

I strongly suggest that you do not try to seek any such adventures in Paris, it will bring you nothing but disappointment like it did to us. Instead, save your money and goto German FKK clubs. Thats where me and my buddy headed to after a few days and had the greatest time of our life (see posts in german fkk clubs on atlantis and oase).

DoctorAmor
09-17-03, 07:41
I will be in Paris shortly and was hoping for some affordable fun. All the Parisian escorts on the web want quite exhorbitant donations. If they have chased all the SW's away from the places noted in this forum, that leaves trying my luck at some of the bars mentioned herein. I have also looked into the possibility of hanging out at a Club Libertin (swing club), but I haven't gotten a good sense that it would be worth my time and Euros.

Unless someone has a current suggestion for me, I may return home fully loaded. If I find anything, I shall surely let you know.

Getopardo
09-17-03, 10:52
To Phil.

I'd be happy to have eFrog's estimate. What I can say is that girls have very different prices, depending on the girl herself, the hour, the day (Saturday will of course be more expensive, Sunday is closed if I remember well). Expect something in the range of 150-200 Euros to 300 Euros (plus taxi if you have no car).

Pretty girls arrive "early" (around midnight) but often find somebody very quickly too.

EFrog
09-18-03, 12:50
Hi Phil, Hi Getopardo,

I will not add too much to what Getopardo says : it is right. For very upscale (and she knows she is) negotiation will start at 400 or even 500. But read well : NEGOTIATION START, meaning you need to make your deal.
At all this is also business : demand offer and final adjustment :-)))
Well, realize that it will anyway be less than most US escort for an hour and if you are nice to them... you will get more for your money... GFE is not impossible.
The beauty of the place is that you don't have all the usual crap : bottle ro pay to get the girl out, lots of drinks overpriced, ... basically your stay in the place cost will be the same as in a good level disco or club... it is not McDonald anyway... and you cannot compare with a 1€ expresso on the counter in a Paris bar, that makes me always questionning when same in US costs 3,50 $ and more... Coffee machine at StarBuck should be gold platted at least... ;-) see : other countries, other issues...
Now I cannot end without couple of words about the post FKK Newbie.
With kids, you tell them "fire burns, fire burns, fire burns" until they touch, get burned and for life knows that fire burns...
As they are newbies... normal...
but all of us here have spent tons of messages, not sure it is enough, to tell about Pigalle, the bars, ...
Don't complain... If you don't read, don't listen, then you have to learn... that's life.
You say you looked as students... OK consider that this was the school money.
This can happen to you not only in Paris, so don't say "Paris blablabla..."
Next time get rue Blondel and you will get your MD in poorest Paris S places...
If you want you can now try the same in Soho London, Brussels, Athen,... and even in Germany where you had a so great time.
Let me tell you a short story.
Couple of years ago, I was entertaining two US buddies in Cologne Germany.
Against my advice, they did want to check about the bar scene around the Train Station... old story : a cab driver coming from the airport told them...
Sorry my US friends, but they had a very typical US attitude : "we know better" even if this was their first time in the city ;-).
You know like... ooops no politics here... sorry, apologize, etc...

Well I did decide to go for the "Fire burns" strategy. It was anyway their money, and you cannot argue with two guys soooo sure...
We went to the excellent address they got from their cab expert driver.
Two clubs were next to each other.
So they decided to get say in A.
Immediatly I had a bad feeling. (experience maybe)
So I told them : stay here take a drink at the bar and I will check B , the other one with a short drink get back and we decide which to stay.
So we did. I went to the second place, that was... at least acceptable, spend 15 minutes : drink and a quick checking talk with the bartender as I am fluent in German also.
I came back to pick my buddies and I couldn't believe what I saw.
My guys were at the bar standing as expected....
but surrounded by 6 girls + bartender with champagne glasses in hand...
Three bottles were already killed and I just came in to see (this unseen from my friends) the bartender pouring a half bottle vintage champagne (not the German shitty sparkling wine) in the sink...
15 minutes and they were already with a tab 4 digits $.
Kids ... and they got burned...
I did expect a lesson but I couldn't imagine they were running for Guiness Book record in 15 minutes...
Well they paid, they had this kind of money to throw out.
We went to the other place and to make it short : one of the guys dated during 2 years, when in Europe, one of the girls he met in the "better choice".
Lesson of the story : you cannot make the people happy against their willing.

So FKK Newbie : I strongly suggest you to visit now a London Soho Club... it is next step in your monger education and be prepared you will also face a very rude security "bear" guy to help you lose your money. And please forget to read here or to visit the ********* web site, there is no use : own experience , man, that's all in life. :-))))

Why on earth are we writing reports and give comments, if nobody reads... ;-)))
Next time we will write reports about cooking, sightseeing,... whatelse... but SG ? why ?

FKK Newbie
09-18-03, 18:47
Hello eFrog,

I totally agree with you that we had made a mistake by checking out the club even after having read the reviews. The whole point of my posting the message was that no one else makes the mistake that we made. Lot of times people have the mentality that "it cannot happen to us" and thats what I was trying to illustrate that "it could and does happen to you". Plus things happened so fast that day and by the time we realized it, it was too late. But never mind, because a lesson learned the hard way is never forgotten..

A note about the FKK clubs - I was not talking about the general clubs and bars of germany where similar things like Pigalle could happen. FKK clubs are very professional, safe and value for your money. You have to visit it to believe it.

Lastlly, dont think that messages posted here are not read by anyone or not taken seriously. If we had not read the messages here, we would have never known to get out of the situation (in Pigalle) as soon as we did. Maybe they would have charged us even more. So reading the messages DID help! Plus, tons of other valuable information that we have learned about all the other places like fkk, ba etc. have all been derived from forums like these. So please don't be disappointed and keep the posts coming :) Peace!

Sorcerer
09-18-03, 21:22
You guys made a big mistake in Pigalle. You should NEVER have paid the 360 euros. Instead all you had to do was tell them that you wanted them to call the police immediately. They would resist, but then your response shuld be if you touch me, I will have the police here to close you down." Especially with two of you - you have a "witness." If they resisted again, you say that the police knows what they do here and the police do not want trouble.

Pigalle is a tourist area and they do not want trouble. At the most you should have offered 50 euros.

Expensive lesson

Merlin Magician
09-19-03, 02:28
Sounds like we will have to get on this board and regularly sound off warnings on Pigalle/de Clichy areas like we all do in the London Board about the same kind of shit in Soho's clubs and ripoffs.

Never ever go in any club or bar in the Pig Alley (Pigalle) area of Paris. (MOULIN ROUGE excepted)

I was supposed to check out a massage spa club in Pigalle last time in Paree but I still can't bring myself to go near the area.

Even though the police have taken a lot of W/G's off the streets there were still plenty working Madelaine/St Augustine/St Malesherbes area. Also saw some nice ones by Porte Maillot.

Problem is the cops are targeting the W/G's and the fuckin gypsies are still thick as hell in the tourist areas.

PolyOrchid
09-19-03, 03:02
I don't know how much has been said here about the swing club scene in Paris but I can tell you it's alive, healthy, and a great place to usually participate, and, if not, certainly to indulge your voyeuristic tendencies. It's been awhile since I've been in Paris, but if you get any of the newsstand weekly events mags, you'll find mention of it in the "recontrer" sections.

PolyOrchid
09-19-03, 03:19
Hey guys, In respect of my post a few minutes ago, I did some web research and came up with the following. I found a very good webpage which lists many Parisian and other French swing clubs around France.
Its url is http://utenti.lycos.it/capdagde/links.htm.

Most of these clubs will allow single men at certain times, many times it's like Wed or Sun night. I have had some wonderful times in some of these clubs. It seems the French have a strong penchant for GB action so if that's your thing, you'll like these places.

I will list a few clubs with which I'm familiar. Do call them first. Many, though not all, will speak some English. Here's the list:

LES CHANDELLES
1, rue Therese, - Tel. 33 1 42 60 43 31

CHRIS ET MANU 2
5, rue St Bon - Tel. 01 42 72 52 18

LE X BIS
10, rue du Débarcadère - Tel. 01 45 74 12 32

LE PLURIEL CLUB
13 rue Francois Miron - Tel. 01.40.29.07.52

OVERSIDE
92, rue du Cherche-Midi - Tel. 01 42 34 10 20
http://www.overside.fr/

And, let it be known that this here Texan LOVES the French! Vive La France!

Knuckhead
09-22-03, 04:47
Hello Fellow mongers!

Boy, do I miss Paris, and I will have to agree with the previous poster that the swing club scene is alive and well.

Click on "Home" on top of the page under the "WSG Forum" banner, then choose "Report Archives". This sends you to the 1994-2000 Archives. Then look under "Europe, France, Paris, Swing clubs". The first report, by Fredercik, posted in 1996 has an extensive list of Swing clubs. As of 2001 the list was STILL about 70% correct. It certainly helped me tremendously in my mongering experience.

And please post your experiences, so that those of us on this side of the Atlantic can at least live vicariously!

Denis
09-23-03, 08:33
Guys,
Short report on the scene in the South east of Paris
If you take the N19 direction Troyes, there are couple a East Europe SW and some French girls, some working in vans.
Most action is located after Brie Comte Robert (25KM from Paris)until after Guignes.
1 km after Brie Comte Robert you will find on the right a van (everyday excepted Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday), she is in the mid 30's, good body, excellent attitude, price is 35€, after Brie if you like ugly fat transsexual you have to turn left on a roundabout direction Ozoir, after few km you will find some on the right side, if you continue this road for miles you will also find some old French girls working in Minivans. This road lead to the 104 to direction cdg airport.
But if you continue on the N19 after the roundabout you pass the village of Coubert, after 2 km on the right after a go kart race track (RKB), 2 eastern European girls working on the right (not to nice). Continuing the N19 you will find some more vans (do not stop service is poor), pass Guignes and after 2 km you will find on the right side of the road a Gem: 20 year old Romanian, body 9+ , attitude 9, service so, so, but what can you expect for 40€ CBJ and f..k in the woods, so instead take her to a nearby hotel and have great time (she will ask for 100€).If you continue the N19, you will find a van on the left side, girl’s name is Lesley, she is in her late 30’s but still very nice , and give one of the best CBJ for 30€, she is very friendly.
Have fun
Denis

Buster Cherry
09-24-03, 15:32
Denis, how about in the southeast outside the peripherique around Ste. Maurice and the A 4? Also along the areas of the Red Line RER?

I may stay at hotels in this area next time in. Cheaper and quieter, I am finding.

Denis
09-24-03, 22:14
Buster,
I have not seen any girls in St Maurice or along the A4 but this is just behing "the Bois de Vincennes" where you can find a lot of girls working in Vans, mainly from Nigeria and from Ghana, some are nice, some not.
Bonne Chance
Denis

Member #1263
10-02-03, 19:55
Hi,

I've been to Paris recently and tried to contact some of those swinging clubs. I went to Les Chandels but could not get in as couples night! Anywyas they tell me that it is the best one in Paris, so I went to the one near to Champs Ellese. It seems to be closed and no one answers the phone?

I headed straight to the Queens Dance Club. WOW, what chicks! I picked this Czech girl who wanted some extra euros! But she was a great GFE.

Anyone visitng Paris let me know.

Cheers

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John ATW
10-10-03, 18:18
Hi,

Looking for GFE in Paris, I found a really great agency, www.club111.com. They have Czech girls, very cute, nice, young.

The price for one hour is fine (220 euros), and they give you plenty of time, no pressure.

Enjoy

Bob Denard
10-12-03, 22:16
Thanks for the tip mate! Just a question (I'm a bit of a novice, altouhg living in France for a while now...) what's GFE (is it the full thing?).

Went to www.club111.com and the rates start at 150 euros for 1/2 hr. Is that correct??

Thanks

Hi,

I see this question in the Forum all the time, so I have to ask: In your browser, can you see the link labeled "Terms and Abbreviations" in the black menu bar at the top of this page? Apparently there must be some problem with the visibility of this link in some browsers, so any feedback you could give me would help me identify the specific problem.

jackson@wsgforum.com

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Jackson

tbd
10-13-03, 19:00
In Paris at the moment. looking for a good in-call service for tomorrow Oct 14. used to find lots of good gals when I lived in Nice. Don't know where to look now. please post here or email me suggestions at hyperastro@yahoo.com

thanks!

Walker 1999
10-14-03, 02:52
Does anyone have any information on Thai Massage Salons in Paris? Are they worth the $ or a ripoff?

Thanks.

Rojasf1
10-20-03, 20:30
quote:
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Originally posted by Darren Roberts
I have spent some time at the Meridien Hotel, Montparnasse, Paris. Usually in the bar area in the entrance lobby from 9pm till midnight there are some single girls drinking coca cola. These girls are available and if you smile at them they will smile back - and contact is made.

It was at the hotel that I met "Loubna". She is a Morrocan girl aged about 20 and agrred to come to the room. For €100 we had girlfriend sex in the bed/on the bed every where. She gives french kisses as though she really loved you and a bbbj, but wants a condom fo sex. She was so nice I took her number for next time.

The next occasion I called and she asked if I would pay for the taxi to/from the hotel - so paid €160. Again we had boy/girlfriend sex and a shower together. All in all an hour of fun. Her body is very good although she has a small bent tooth and a cut (scar) under one eye.

She asked me to give her number to friends but not post it on the internet as she worked independantly and did not want a "pimp" to find her. However when she went to go I offered to take her to a taxi. I went down with her to the lobby and she said it was OK and she will go on her own. I said goodbye but looked where she went. Outsude there was a man waiting for her and they both got into a white van - the taxi! I guess the man was her pimp/boyfriend.

Anyway I will call her again because she is good fun - gives all - and does not watch the clock and think of a way to disseminate her number.

Anyway there are other girls dicreetly sitting in the bar area of the lobby - asking €150 to €200 but can be negotiated easily down to €100.
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Darren,

I am going to Paris on November. Could you send me her nunmber in a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system?

Thanks

harryreams
10-21-03, 06:33
I'll be in Paris shortly and I was wondering if there is still any hint of street action anywhere in Paris or is it a total waste of time?

I went to paris 3 or 4 years ago and got ripped off about $150.00 Euros approx in the old currency for a bottle of champagne (very similar to last post so I dont want to tempt fate with the club scence)

EFrog
10-22-03, 12:46
harryreams :
you have here 12 pages of posts about Paris...
isn't this enough for you to get an idea ?
Or do you want us to do the job summarizing for you ?
This kind of post is always irritating :
forum is to share opinions, report experience, warn about rip off and when information is not available, ask for it.
Not to give a review to lazzy guys not even bothering reading...
This is a forum... not a travel agent office
On the US forum, you have some cities with 000's of posts...
Try "hey guys what's going on in LA or NYC" lol
Additional if you did pay 150$ a bottle of champagne, either it was a very exclusive vintage (sure it wasn't ) or ... it was a bar with girls... Beside you were kidnapped on the street, you did know where you were.
Legally they have a price list. You didn't ask for it before "buying" a bottle ?
You didn't have a girl next to you ? (I hardly imagine a guy alone at a bar and ordering for himself alone a bottle)...
This has not to do with Paris, in any city in the world, this is called acting like an idiot.
Like the guys here couple of weeks ago complaining they got ripped off in Pigalle, despite they read before about all warnings here...
No comments...

Denis
10-22-03, 16:26
Harry
I agree totally with the post from efrog, read the forum posts and do not be stupid enough to go to Pigalle or to any Hostess ripoff Bars.
I can update you on the street scene in the 12th district (South East). There are still girls working there, on the boulevard Soult and Bd Poniatowski.
Still 3 to 4 Chinese girls working between the Porte Dorée and the Porte de St Mandé.
Today I took the N6 and there are still many girls working in miniVans and I also saw some young SouthAmerican (I presume) standing along the N6 (near the Pyramide of Brunoy).
Have fun
Denis

Lacamer
10-23-03, 17:30
To SW fan,

Walking late afternoon behing the Lafayette Galerie in the 8th district in the East part of Rue Joubert I found 6 to 7 SWs, some in cars and some in the bars. They are rather old, round 40, I would rate them 5-6 but one of them was about 35 year old (Rate: 7-8). Price is € 60.- for a (quick!!) s**k and f**k. After discussion, it seems that some of them are ready to go to hotels. I went again later at 10 pm other girls were there, same type.

harryreams
10-24-03, 18:28
Sorry Denis & Efrog - your were both correct! I posted my last post in a cyber cafe with people over my shoulder hence the lack of detail and the haste - sorry for any offence taken, not intentional in any way.

Thanks Lacemer for your post - I might explore the SW's in Paris and try my luck.

Regards the bottle of champange - I did not know about the price list until I was nearly thrown out the door complaining about the prices - but I guess with all of us sharing our experiences here we are much the wiser.

I will update my experiences on the SW scene next week in Paris.

Harry

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Kraft22
10-30-03, 04:56
Hello All,

I will be traveling to Paris during the next week and need some advice on SW activity around the Arc De Triomphe area.
I visited that area early this year and noticed some SW's later in the evening near Avenue Des Ternes, but was to nervous to approach any of them.
Being an American who does not speak French I was concerned about being busted by LE if some of the girls were decoys.
Do the French police actively patrol these areas looking to arrest potential John's?
Any advice on picking up ladies in this area would be greatly appreciated.

If I find a lady who speaks English is it safe to go back to her room or should I get the room?
Will most French SW's perform BBBJ or only CBJ?
What are prices in France for SW's in Euro's?

Thank you all in advance.

Lacamer
10-30-03, 07:31
Krafft22,

There is always activities around the Arc de Triomphe specialy up to 10:00 pm. But there are other places in Paris, just look at the previous messages. Around la Madeleine, rue Joubert, rue Saint Denis, etc. Don't go to bars you will be rip off.

Prices: Euro 50 to 100 depending the quality.

LE like in US do not exist in France. You have absolutely not such risk by picking up a girl in the street. You can discuss your conditions with the girl very freely in the street . Take her to your hotel if you wish (and if she accepts). No problem.

Presevatif are widely used in France.

Kraft22
10-30-03, 17:33
Lacamer,

Thank you for the reply.
My plans are not confirmed yet. Is there any activity towards this area of town?
Blvd Victor Hugo
Neuilly sur Seine

I am trying to plan where I stay based on SW activity.

Many Thanks ;-)

Getopardo
10-31-03, 14:53
To Lacamer,

About being "too nervous to approach any of them": girls in France are not shy at being approached. Just use some kind of phrase like "hello, can I offer you a cup of coffee". The girl will answer if she is interested, or just walk on if she isn't.

About boulevard Victor Hugo: There is some activity in avenue Victor Hugo (from place V Hugo to Etoile), but I doubt there is "strong" activity in Neuilly.

Good luck.

CaptRenno
11-03-03, 02:53
Kraft, in response to your questions:

<Being an American who does not speak French I was concerned about being busted by LE if some of the girls were decoys.>

I've never heard of the Paris police using decoys, as is common practice in the US. I think it is very safe to approach SWs in Paris. If anyone is going to get busted, it is the SWs themselves. I have heard of some recent crackdowns on the SWs but I think it is just a way to keep them somewhat under control, not an attempt to stamp them out completely.

<Do the French police actively patrol these areas looking to arrest potential John's?>

Like I said, I never heard of this. If someone else knows otherwise, please respond.


<Any advice on picking up ladies in this area would be greatly appreciated.>

It should be easy to tell the SWs from regular girls who might be dressed in a hot, sexy way and on their way to a club--the SWs tend to stay in one place and are ready to make eye contact easily.

<If I find a lady who speaks English is it safe to go back to her room or should I get the room?>

Yes, it's safe, esp. with the girls around the Arc/Etoile area. The girl need not speak perfect English. As long as she understands enough to make the deal, that's good enough. The girl may have her own place nearby or she may be willing to go to your hotel if it's not far. A nice Moroccan girl once rode 6 stops on the metro with me back to my hotel near the Opera. I gave her an extra 20 euros for her trouble.

<Will most French SW's perform BBBJ or only CBJ?>

Expect a CBJ, but you might be able to negotiate something better.

<What are prices in France for SW's in Euro's?>

Around the Arc/Etoile, expect to pay about 100 Euros. That's a fair price for the quality of the girls which is usually pretty good. You might be able to go lower but why antagonize the girl by trying to go lower.

Getopardo
11-03-03, 10:49
Just to correct a mistake:

My message concerning girls in France, and av Victor Hugo, was intended for kraft 22 and not for Lacamer.

Apologies.

Gadget
11-11-03, 07:36
Several years ago I had a couple of incredible visits to Le cercle a mixed sauna in Toulouse. Can anyone recommend similar places in Paris which are single guy friendly?

Denis
11-13-03, 15:07
Today I had a nice experience to report:
I found a young nice looking Chinese girl working at the Porte Dorée (between Porte de Charenton and Porte de St Mandé).
She wanted to go to an undergroung parking but I really prefer hotels; so we went to a small hotel near the Cours de Vincennes and I had a vey nice session: BBBJ, many positions ,no rush , no anal but very GFE attitude, two pops.
She said in very poor French that she arrived from Bejing last week, paid 40€ + 25€ for the room, absolutely great value.
Sometime you can get lucking with SW girls.

David31
11-16-03, 16:47
Hello Gagdet,

Try 'Sultana', on Pigalle. Single guy friendly club, with nice sauna, hammam & whirlpool. I have been there a few times, and my experience has been positive. A bit expensive to enter, though (around 60 euros)

Tell me more about your times at le Cercle!

Genuine
11-20-03, 04:41
I have a six hour layover in Paris towards the end of December. Where can a generous man go near the airport and spend an hour or two with a nice woman?

EFrog
11-21-03, 16:49
GENUINE

six hours stop is quite short as most activity is inside Paris... and if for any reason your landing is delayed... it is over...
To me the very best idea for you would be to book a room at the Sheraton inside the terminals between C and D and get an outcall escort.

I can recommend one that I know who is living North of Paris, so close to CDG and where you can certainly arrange with her that you drop a call upon arrival to confirm time, get her around 45 minutes later to meet you at your room, spend three hours with her (she is really worth it) this giving you still around two hours to cool down and get your plane.... lol

The girl I am talking about is a half pro.
She has an escort activity part time but she is also a real party girl for swinger club party and she has a circle of very funny and crazy friends and couples and they organize parties either in swinging clubs or even in one's appartment.
These kind of events are free, that's why I say she is half pro.
She is a sex addict and for her own fun, she organizes also gang band parties.

Talking about her, she is good looking, not a model but really the kind you would like to have as GF or better buddy.
She is recently 30 so not the chicken of the day, but an incredible performer.
Very rare in France, she does spontaneously BBBJ and CIF but no CIM.
Anal is also a great fun to her and she is asking for it... Rare !!!
She is usually only doing incalls and this is just great fun as she welcomes you with drink, has no rush and at the end you get a real GFE but with the pleasure to have a GF which is also funny bad girl in the positive sense.
The only bad point... there is one, is that she is hardly speaking English. If not she would make a fortune thanks her unique attitude and I would have already recommended her here... but without English ...
Her French by the way is excellent ;-))))
I am only telling about her now because I think that for a CDG stop she could be THE choice.
Only problem : you will hate having to leave.
Most of us (talking about her friends circle) started meeting her as escort and ended being part of the friend circle.
A real gem.
Let me know if you are interested and I will forward you more info.

Maharadjah
11-21-03, 20:08
eFrog,

I'm going to Paris (hotel Sofitel Bercy) for 2 week.

How can I contact that girl and how much for the night?

I speak fluently French I think it would be ok.

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Jman90024
11-21-03, 20:35
Hi,

I am in Paris until Sunday and will have free time on Saturday and Sunday until afternoon. Any recommendation? Thanks.

Iseeu
11-23-03, 00:57
Efrog,
I am very interested in your friend - mostly as an escort to swingers clubs. I was in paris last week and spent a night in La Cheminee, which is the most single friendly club right now. I've been looking for a local to join me as most of the clubs are couples only. If she's into the swinging scene, she's perfect for me - we'll work out the language barrier, I'm sure. I'm usually in town 5-6 times a year. Thanks mate....

EFrog
11-24-03, 15:37
La Rond

You should get a pm here and so it is easier. It is not a web site, but a direct email address, so precious.

I don't want to spoil a great connection by making it full public here and the girl gets harrassed for game.

GFE is rare enough to protect it... lol

I bet we all agree about this.

I Love Sluts
11-26-03, 04:30
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Does anybody have a update on the "Du Bois De Boulogne", this place is usually filled with women and trannys, I like only the women and am interested to see if there are any hot ones left, please comment on only the women, the trannys are obvious and are pretty sick.


ILS

Member #3447
11-26-03, 13:35
I'll be laying overnight in Paris in February and I am interested in the Paris SW scene only, I prefer Eastern & Western European SWs. What hotels would you folks recommend I stay wherein I can just walk to the activity, being it'll be cold by then?

I've heard on previous posts that in the Porte Maillot area (I am not familiar with this area), there are the Meridien Hotel and the Concorde Lafayette. Are these good recommendations? Also, I've seen some SWs near the Arc area when I was there a year ago. Any good hotels around the Arc area where it is walking distance only to the girls? Please advice. Thanks.

Merlin Magician
11-26-03, 15:49
HO chaser,

Porte Maillot is about as far from CDG as you can get. (La Defense is even farther) It is right by the large convention center. I have seen many ladies wandering around along the Champs Elysees in this area.

If you will go up by the Arc and go north on Blvd. McMahon toward St. Madeleine, You will see many ladies, mostly locals and European.

North of Madeleine, you will see many nice ones too. In the Malesherbes/Madeleine area is my favorite.

Member #3447
11-26-03, 19:40
Merlin what hotel(s) do you recommend? I'll be walking to the scene. Thanks again.

Merlin Magician
11-27-03, 01:58
My 3 favorite hotels are real bargains. The Hotel GIS in Neuilly-Plaisance and The le St. Maurice are both located in the east side. The quaint but very nice 3 star Hotel Montparnasse is in the left bank area.

If you want to stay close in to CDG, the Comfort Inn CDG is pretty good. You can then ride the RER train into town and connect with any subway to any good pussy point in Paris.

I used to stay at the Comfort Inns St. Malesherbes and St. Augustin but they started getting pricey as hell. Rates are three times what they were two years ago.

I suggest instead of walking to all these places, you get a Paris Visite pass for like $ 18.25 for 3 days (zone 1-3 and you can buy them at any tobacconist or subway ticket booth.) and take the subways. There is a subway terminal near any of the great spots.

I also forgot to mention, you can walk the circle in the three or so blocks outwards encircling the Arc from north to the west-south and find lots of action.

Just remember; STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE PIGALLE/BLVD DE CLICHY AREA!!!!! THIS IS SOHO ON STEROIDS!!! Besides I have never seen a Working Girl in this area younger than 50.

Member #1263
11-27-03, 07:51
Hi Merlin,

I see your comprehensive info on the scene in paris. Can you let me know when is it a good time to go there?. I am a regular visitor to Paris. Also I did come across some Morrocans earlier that were kinda cute but were expensive$$$....cheers

Merlin Magician
11-27-03, 21:53
# 1263;

Any time in Paree is good. Although I see something every August in that everyone seems to be on holiday, including the Working Girls.

Next time in, I will do a more comprehensive search for models in apartments like in Shepherd's Market and Soho. The St. Denis area seems to have a few of these, but I have no idea if the pussy shopping/purchasing culture is the same. Paris has always been a street girl market, whereas London is an apartment and massage parlor dominated market. In fact, Paris's street girls were historically part of the fame and mystique of the place.

I plan on mid-January for my next run at France. A few days in Paris and a few in Dinard/St Mal.

Member #1263
11-27-03, 22:51
Hi Merlin,

Thanks for the info mate. Would be nice to see the models in the apartments. Have you tried the swingers club scene? Does seem interesting and free pussy around!!. The areas you mentioned, are they close to Champ Ellese. I usually stay at the Marriotts when I go there. Also there is a new strip club on Champs ellese- hot babes but just strippers!

Cheers

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Denis
11-28-03, 09:50
Guys,
If you want to go directly from CDG airport to the Place de L'Etoile (Arc de Triomphe) , there is an Air France shuttle bus direct from the airportwho will drop you right there. There is also one direct to Montparnasse Price is 10 € I believe.
Denis

Getopardo
11-28-03, 16:01
Hi Merlin,

I hope you'll enjoy your stay in Paris but bear in mind that the French government has made it illegal to "sex-walk" in the streets. I didn't believe the new measures would be effective, but they have proved to be.

Rue Saint - Denis for example is, unfortunately, much less "interesting" than it was 5 or even 2 years ago.

Be cautious too, not to address a SW when the police is not far away. You might be in a for hard time, and even invited to police headquarters.

Brian
11-28-03, 16:17
I found this website with nice girls speaking english,wich is really rare in Paris,as well as the price,200 euros/hour wich is a real bargain in Paris.
http://www.lovelynewgirls.com
Can anyone tell anything about these girls?

Member #3447
11-28-03, 22:16
Merlin,

I will take your expert advice and will stay at the Madeleine/Malesherbes area. Any hotels besides the Comfort Inn that is walking distance to the action? The Hyatt is way too much! Like I said before, I prefer walking to where the action is.

Is this in the Arc District? Excuse my ignorance as I am not familiar with the area. Thanks in advance.

World Cruiser
11-29-03, 01:13
Gentlemen,

I have a question for Denis or any other regular in Paris. I travel there quite often and have been very disappointed lately with the quality of the SW, especially in St Denis. So, I was very interested to read about the Asian SW at the Porte Dorée. I'd also read in some prior posts about other Asians in that area.

My question is whether or not you need a car to connect with them or whether they are walking the street around there. I don't have a car so I can't get to them if they hang around the entrance to the Périphérique or if it's too far from a hotel (I'm like you about parking garages). If they are on one of the streets, I'd appreciate someone letting me know the name. I'm assuming I could take the Métro to Porte Dorée. Also if any of you know of any other places where I might find an Asian or two, please let me know.

I'll be arriving in Paris Dec.7 and will be there for 10 days so I'll post the results when I return. Thanks in advance for the help.

Merlin Magician
11-29-03, 17:25
Ho Chaser,

You might check the Choice Hotels dot com website for other hotels in the arrondisement 1. Also, Smooth Hound is another good hotel locator. (www.s-h-systems.co.uk/) Smooth Hound lists about twenty hotels in that area alone. hotels.com is another.

I have found that staying where I usually stay now and using my Paris Visite RER (light rail) and subway pass is more convenient.

Madeleine /Malesherbes area is due north of the Arc. In fact standing on Blvd Mc Mahon looking north, you can see Madeleine.

You may not need a car. Many of the ladies work out of their own cars in this area. They usually sit quietly just off the main streets. A few soft spoken words and business is done.

Getopardo,

I have seen the police harrass the Working Girls. I also have no qualms about reminding the Paris cops (those who speak English or Spanish) that although they target the easy Working Girls, the damn Kurdish and Romany gypsy pickpockets who use their children to actively steal still run free with impunity. Just like American cops, they tend to target the easy ones instead of rooting out the real thieves and crooks.

Denis
12-01-03, 12:02
WorldCruiser
Unfortunatelly it will be diffucult to pick any of the SW working in the area of the Porte Dorée if you do not have a car, as normally they do their work in the car (in parking lot) or in some hotels nearby but still not walking distance.
I suppose you can convince them to take a taxi with you to an hotel they know or you know (there is a taxi station right at the Porte Dorée) but I suppose it will cost you a bit more.
The name of the street where the Chinese girls are is Avenue Armand Rousseau
Again as it has been said many time on this board avoid Pigalle area and Rue St Denis.
Good luck
Denis

Member #4190
12-01-03, 19:11
VISIT REPORT - AU PLURIEL CLUB PARIS

Visitied this established Swingers/Partytreff last week. Tues pm around 11. Bar is nice - people clothed (unlike Germany) went downstairs lots of nice rooms. Just 2 women. 1 who spent the next 2 hours getting her brains fucked out by 4 guys at a time and another having one on ones. Both were 4's

Couldn't get the gang-bang one to take my cock in her mouth (there was already one there) went upstairs - spoke to the one on one for 10 minutes fucked her downstairs while her husband looked close up at my cock ramming her.

Nice atmosphere - sophisticated people. I recommend it

Member #1263
12-01-03, 20:21
Hi mate,

Good to hear of your experience at this swinger club. Where is it located at and is there a contact number etc. Can we go as singles during the week or are there any particular days.

Cheers.

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Algeria for Ever
12-02-03, 05:26
WorldCruiser,

a little extra to Denis' report:

- You can find Chinese girls in the Strasbourg St Denis-Chateau d'Eau area, walking around the metro stations or on the Boulevard de Strasbourg.

- Some also hang around the Belleville metro station, near the big Chinese restaurant "le President".

- Standard price is 60 euros (30 for the girl, 30 for the hotel). Can easily be beaten down to 50.

- You do not need a car, their hotels are usually in walking distance from where they hang around.

- General quality of the girls is quite poor. Some of them look slightly too "mature" if you see what i mean. But their attitude is usually good.

Anyway believe me, if you really want Chinese girls, just go to China. It's simply heaven, take my word for it.

Member #4190
12-02-03, 22:34
Au Pluriel club can be found at
http://www.plurielclub.com/flashmx/index.html

World Cruiser
12-03-03, 00:12
Denis/Algeria for Ever,

Thanks to you guys for the info. I was afraid the girls at Charenton would require a car and I"ve seen the ones at Chateau d'Eau :) My main interest was for a little variety from the typical Paris SW. It seems to me they've gone downhill lately and also have more attitude -- you know, "hurry up and get it over with and don't touch the hair." Maybe I've been cruising the wrong neighborhoods.

Do either of you know any AMPs that give FS? The ones I've found in the 9th (rue Rodier and rue Douai) offer massage and HJ for around 100Euros. They're great as far as they go but sometimes you want something more.

World Cruiser

Iseeu
12-04-03, 10:33
Member 1263,
When in Paris, I've given up on all other possibilities and go to the swingerclubs or sauna clubs. Some swinger clubs (club echangistes) accept only couples or selected singles on certain days - you need to check it out beforehand. Some even require reservations as they limit the amount of single men. Like La Cheminee which is my current single friendly favorite - on Wednesay nights selected singles are allowed in (call first!) and they ususally have many more women than La Pluriel. Last time there were at 20-30 women. Interesting that many sigle women come with male friends and then roam and last time 2 rop-dead young girls got it on right on the center table with each other.
I also like L'Escapade on the Ille d"St. Louis for its friendly owners.

Frenchie
12-04-03, 17:34
I do agree with Iseeu, swingers clubs are a good way of enjoying the Paris sex life.

As a Frenchman, when in Paris, like Iseeu, I like La Cheminée that is oftne crowded with couples, even in the afternoons, although a clot of not so young and/or beautiful couples can be met there.

My favourite is also L'Escapade on the Ile Saint Louis, a very nice and cosy club with friendly owners and more upscale swingers than at La Cheminée. I have been there a dozen times, and have rarely been disappointed. L'Overside, Le Pluriel and Le Triangle (I think the latter's name has changed) are also worth a visit.

For the phone numbers and locations, just try any web engine with the above-mentioned names or buy Pariscope (see the last pages), the weekly entertainment news programme published in Paris.

Member #1263
12-04-03, 21:13
Hi Isseau,

Thanks for the info. I did visit La Cheminee club located in this small street some months back.

Ofocurse it was a couples night so could not get in. The cab driver told me to go to this pub and pick a babe, pay her like 200 euro. After getting in the club she can slip out after a while. Do you think it is a good idea to do this or just go on a singles day.

I guess this is the most popular club with more hot babes going there.

Iseeu
12-05-03, 21:36
Frenchie,
Le Triangle is now called L'Abyss and it's closed to single men in the evenings.
You wrote that you've been to L'Overside - I was unaware that they allowed single men in..

Member 1263,
I have gone with a female friend to swingers clubs and it's a different experience being there as a couple... the only pros that are willing to go to this scene are usually the higher priced escorts and frankly if I'm paying the big bucks, I'd rather not pay her so someone else can shag her...I would think that going with a total stranger (who you're paying!) to a club and then she leaves is not such a great idea, ne c'est pas?

Member #1263
12-06-03, 13:58
Hi Isseu,

Thanks for the input!. Is there a swingers club near to Champs Elysees called L'Adams

Cheers

EFrog
12-07-03, 13:50
just a short contribution to add to Iseeu,

I didn't have recent experience but got told by several reliable sources that Abyss, former Triangle is a place to be carefull on the check.
It seems that they try to overcharge you with drinks you didn't get to raise the bill.
This would be rip off.
As I said , I didn't have personal recent experience here, that's a club that I don't like too much for the atmosphere, to my opinion less friendly than other places already stated here.
But as the people telling me this are reliable, frequent clubs visitors ... I would at least suggest that you keep an eye on your bill.

Mr. Bing
12-12-03, 16:51
Can anyone comment on the strip clubs like Stringfellow...
I saw bad reviews about American
Are they all the same?

Member #1263
12-12-03, 19:22
Stringfellows is not a bad strip club, but there is a new one that has opened up on Champs Elysees. Don't remember the name, but they had some hot babes!

Cheers

Aht169
12-19-03, 19:03
Hi All:
I was wondering if anyone has information on the action or lack thereof at Nation/porte vincennes.
Thanks!
AHT169

World Cruiser
12-21-03, 19:18
I've just returned from Paris and wanted to post a report. I was a bit limited in my searching because my colleagues all wanted to go to dinner as a group so I had to do my mongering either early (5-8PM) or late (after midnight). Since I was there working I chose early. Based on that, here's what I found:

At that time of day, I found no action in the Madeleine/Malesherbes area. It was probably just too early.

I hit a couple of AMPs on the rue Rodier in the 9th. There are probably half a dozen on the street and all are Asian, although the one that was supposed to be Japanese had a French girl working there who claimed to be "half Japanese." Generally they charge 80 Euros for a basic massage with HJ and 100 Euros for a body-body massage that either ends with a HJ or CBJ. My experience has been that the Thai girls only do HJ while the Vietnamese girls will do either.

I also went to the rue Strasbourg at the Chateau d'Eau metro stop. As Algeria for Ever pointed out, the girls there tend to be a bit "too mature" and also a bit too heavy for my taste, although this time I found a young, petite Chinese girl named Li Yar that was quite pleasant. As has been explained before, the basic drill is to walk with the girl to a hotel and pay her 30 Euros and the hotel 30 Euros. Overall, this was the best experience of the trip.

One word of caution, though, to those who aren't familiar with the area. As you come out of the metro to the street there are often bands of 8-10 young African males hanging over the railing making comments. They weren't speaking French so I don't know exactly what they were saying but they appeared to be talking trash to the African women that were coming out of the metro. They didn't harm anyone and occasionally the police come by and run them off but it can be a bit disconcerting the first time you go there. Once you're on the street it's like most other immigrant neighborhoods.

Happy Hunting!

Denis
12-22-03, 09:02
aht169
You will find some Eastern European girls working between the Porte de de Bercy and Porte de Montreuil on the Boulevard Exterieur (Poniatowski, Soult and Davout). Some blacks as well, night and day. At night few are working on the Cours de Vincennes and around the Place de la Nation, I had recently some good luck in the counter road circling around the Nation, specially near the Pharmacy (cose to cours de Vincennes). Check also my previous reports, they are still valid.
Bonne Chance
Denis

Round the World
12-23-03, 00:03
Just returned from a week working in Paris. Stayed at the Le Meridien Montparnasse.

Contrary to earlier reports on this board I did not find any compelling action at the bar in the Meridien. There was only one working girl in the bar, a tired some-what Asian looking woman who sat at a table alone most nights of the week. She looked older than me and wasn't very appealing.

Also I checked out some of the recommended websites:

wild-escorts.co.uk
lovelynewgirls
club111
flowersmodels

But in the end, decided to save the money and spend it in Frankfurt at the FKKs. I'd love to hear if anyone has better recommendations for Paris.

Getopardo
12-24-03, 19:14
To Tenoch,

Your experience confirms what I have observed in the last few weeks and even months : the (near ?) extinction of SW in Paris, except in a few rather far-away areas, such as Bois de Boulogne (where there are probably more transexuals than women) and Bois de Vincennes.

And the few specimens you may sometimes meet are more related to dinosaurs than to the female species.

Member #1263
01-03-04, 19:51
Happy New Year guys.

Has anyone tried the swingers club called Au Pluriel?

Fetish Photog
01-04-04, 23:07
1263,

Au Pluriel is my personal favorite club in Paris. There is a very established ritual for visiting the place that’s followed by the locals and I very highly recommend following it, even if it does entail spending a bit more time.

Like many swing clubs, there is a regular cast of characters, many who visit on the same nights of the week every week. I went there 4-5 nights a week for two weeks this summer and had a dramatically better time the second week after my face (and strong desire for DATY) became known. Paying great attention to the pleasure of the women pays great dividends here.

Most people seem to arrive between 8:30 and 10:00 and make a night of it. You’ll probably be met by Sonja (Sonya), the owner, at the door. If you don’t look presentable to her, you’ll be seeking the evening’s entertainment elsewhere. On ground level, there’s a small bar and seating area and a coat room. You’ll be relieved of your coat and be asked to empty your pockets of loose stuff that’s likely to fall out. You’ll be given a little numbered tag to be used for charging drinks. Note that they didn’t take plastic when I was there although some of regulars seemed to have house accounts. You pay at the bar when you leave.

The first drink is including in the evening’s fee. The idea is to arrive and have a before dinner drink and sit and chat a bit upstairs before going downstairs for dinner. You’ll see many single guys roaming the place going up and down the stairs looking for what they’re missing but there’s no need to do so and you just end up looking like a desperate single guy,

Dinner is down one level and is included with the price along with the house wine. I don’t drink so I can’t comment on its quality. It’s a small buffet eaten off low tables or knees while sitting on couches or benches. The same room becomes an extra play area after dinner. My French vocabulary is limited to standard restaurant menu items and bathroom signs but quite a few people spoke at least a little English. It’s a good idea to make eye contact and friendly attempts at conversation as a number of the regular women appear to be on a constant lookout for fresh meat and dinner is a good time for introductions and chit chat. One night, I was just finishing dinner when a petite, 35-ish blonde woman sat down next to me, grabbed my head and immediately started kissing me. We ended up doing everything right there, more or less as dinner entertainment for others. The club has no private rooms so you need to have at least some exhibitionist tendencies to make the most of the place.

The music changes to more dance stuff between 10:00 and 11:00 and much of the action moves downstairs another level to the dance floor and main play areas. There are also bathrooms and showers down there. There are no locker rooms and no real places to hang clothes so most people just end up piling their things in one corner or another, thus explaining the precaution of emptying pockets upstairs. There are a number of platforms and wide benches for the action, some big enough for six people or so, both downstairs and upstairs in the eating area.

In terms of action, I found that many women would have a few men, take a break to get cleaned up put their clothes on and go back upstairs for a drink and a breather before repeating. There’s a fair amount of threesome and foursome stuff with some women much more choosy about their partners than others and some with husbands who control the flow. One big difference from my experience in American clubs is that everyone did oral uncovered and most women wanted me to come in their mouth. Most women were also very much into kissing too so the squeamish shouldn’t think too much about that combination. Sex was always covered and it’s best to bring your own condoms.

Depending on the night, there will be one or two young women working there in the coat room and continually cleaning. Sonya runs a tight ship and the place is pretty much spotless all the time. These women, attractive as they may be, are there to work and you’ll only embarrass yourself if you try to get them into the action.

It’s difficult to predict the levels of action on the days of the week. They’re only closed on Monday and there is no afternoon session like many Parisian clubs. Single guys are allowed at all times but seem to be concentrated on Fridays and Saturdays. Only on Fridays and Saturdays did I see couple who were there only to be with each other and who didn’t want any other men. I found Sundays to be a nicely busy night without too many single guys.

Patrons in my experience ranged in age from mid twenties to later forties. All were attractive, at least in my eyes, (I’m not prone to 1-10 ratings) with none of the BBWs that inhabit many American clubs. But if you will only settle for 18-25 year old hardbodies, this isn’t your place. On the other hand, all of the women I was with were very, very skilled. They know what they wanted and they knew what I wanted and how to give it to me. In my mind, it’s the classic tradeoff of age and experience being better for me than youth and enthusiasm. I’m mid-forties, if that makes any difference. Numbers of people ranged from four couple on the slow nights to ten or twelve on the busier ones. I understand that this was the summer slow period and there are more people at other times of the year. I found an advantage to being a regular and a known good time in that I had women who wanted me even on the slow nights. The number of single guys usually meets or slightly exceeds the number of couples. Appearance and manners count and I saw any number of guys leave unfulfilled. Interestingly enough, these were both guys who were to shy to jump in when they had an opportunity and guys who were asshole-level pushy and rude who got shut out by the women. Several times, while DATY I had guys attempt to physically push me out of the way so they could get to the woman.

To compare and contrast, the place is much more friendly and open than American clubs that tend to be cliquish with the action behind closed doors. But it’s not as aggressively wild as German places like Beverly where it’s not uncommon to get pulled to the floor by a woman who wants you right now. No swing club is a sure bet and YMMV a great deal with just a single visit. If you’re willing to invest a bit of time over multiple evenings, however, I found Au Pluriel to be very enjoyable.

Member #1263
01-06-04, 06:27
Fetish,

Thank you for the informative report on the Pluriel club. Will certainly give it a shot.

Have you heard of another near to Champs Elysess?

Wolf
01-06-04, 08:13
Fetish Photog, # 1263
Could you explain were Au Pluriel sits in Paris ? Please provide directions.
Thanks in advance
Cheers

Fetish Photog
01-06-04, 17:14
Wolf,

13 rue François Miron 75004
Telephone 01 40 29 07 52

Their site at http://www.plurielclub.com is not working for me at the moment but they usually have good info in French and English.

Rue François Miron runs diagonally southwest to northeast from the Hotel de Vile to the church of St Paul/St. Louis. It's about three blocks east of Hotel de Ville on the north side. It's numbered and signed.

Iseeu
01-07-04, 03:35
Wolf,
It's on Francois Mirron a couple of blocks away from Hotel deVille in the 4th Arrondisement. Closest Metro is St. Paul's.

Member #1263
01-07-04, 21:19
Wolf,

I guess you have the directions. Taking the metro is the best bet.

One has to be dressed up to get in, of course. I have seen their site and it has great information and even pictures! Check it out mate.

David31
01-12-04, 01:52
Does anyone have any experience with 'rencontres kleber'? It is an agency, located on boul Keber, just off the Etoile, which offers to arrange discreet meetings between attached men and women. Price is steep, at 800 euros for 4 encounters.

They claim great success, but at that price, they better be.

DouDou
01-13-04, 13:37
To David31 about "rencontres Kleber"/

Be VERY careful. I don't know this agency, but i tried another agency with exactly the same way of proceeding.

They try to rob you the maximum of money at the first meeting by telling you that you would have without any problems some hot meetings.

But, after you pay, you can call them just 2 hours a day and they tell you they have noone for you.

After several weeks, they give you a number to call, but the girl is not interested to meet you (1 meeting left).

After another several weeks, they give you another number to call.

This time, the girl want to meet you. You invite her at a good restaurant, you pay and good bye. When you call her again, she don't want to see you again (I think, she is paid by the agency).

After that, I tried to ask the agency to give me back a part of my money, but they refused very rudly. So I left them my money!

So, one advice: Don't go to this kind of agency, don't give any commitment.
Or, ask to pay only for ONE meeting the less of money possible, and tell them that you will pay after if you are happy.

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Saint
01-13-04, 15:50
It's hard to believe a city the size of Paris doesn't have more action. I imagine there are several private apartments/clubs that aren't advertised and you need to be a member to know about it. If anyone knows about such places please PM me.

I'm not into the swinger club scene so that's out of the question. I'm not really going expecting to hobby but you never know the mood one will be in.

Any other advice is appreciated.

CaptainNemo
01-13-04, 17:33
Saint,

Paris is the biggest rip-off for P4P. There are plenty high class escort services. You have to pay an arm and leg for all of that. I have no P4P experience in Paris.

However, as a young American, you can have plenty of freebies (or pay in a different way). Dressing well and speaking English will get you in many trend nightclubs. Making sure that girls heard you speaking English when you are in the clubs. Trendy French girls consider speaking English is cool.

I have not been Paris for 2 years. Not sure which nightclub is good now. I used to go to Les Bains Douches (01 48 87 01 80) a lot when I worked in France. Many fashion models go there to party. It was difficult for average French guys to get in. Dressing well is the key. These French know what kind of your clothing you wear, even for a doorman. When you start to talk to a girl, order a bottle of alcohol (always order by bottle). This can easily cost a few hundreds dollars. But, you can have a quite good time and easily get laid. And, don’t drink beer in a club. For French, it is not cool.

For more down-to-earth girls, well, you have to sweet-talking and do a lot of work as everywhere else.

Saint
01-14-04, 05:44
Thanks Captain Nemo. I still don't think I'll do the P2P but you never know. Just depends on the mood I'm in. I was also told the exact same thing as you wrote about hitting the trendy night clubs and dressing well and speaking English and possibly scoring.

I noticed that Europeans are a lot more aware of the clothes/shoes you wear. When I was in Italy in November/December 2003 several girls commented that they liked my shoes (Prada) of all things. They knew the difference between a pair of regular black shoes and designer shoes. They know an Armani shirt from a regular shirt. Most Americans can't tell their head from their ass when it comes to fashion so it was kind of nice for these Europeans to notice.

I'll post if I come across anything interesting. Thanks again.

Saint

CaptainNemo
01-14-04, 15:24
Saint

It is nice that someone acknowledges (even appreciates) your fashion and investment made to look good and feel comfortable.

Well, these French take it even up a notch. They know if your cloths are from the last season or you just brought it for this season. In many cases, you will be treated differently based on how you dress. That’s why many American feel mistreated in France.

So, dressing well does pay dividends in France. It attracts certain segment of girls (Most of them are pretty and very well dressed).

Lacamer
01-14-04, 19:50
Hi,

I am French speaking european and it is a long time that I go to France and try to have a good time and a good service at a reasonnable price but it has always been very difficult.

In Paris there are not many options:

- the SW that give you a 20 min service in a "shabby-looking" hotel for 50 to 70 €. Rather cheep but not very exciting. If she comes to your hotel you may have a better service. You may establish a stable and renewed relation with this kind of girl and she will give you an always better service.

- the escort girls from internet or newspapers like "La Vie Parisienne". In this case if you pay more than € 100 per hour, it is a rip off. Here also, if you establish a stable and renewed relation you will have a always better service.

- swinger clubs are also an option but as single you may have difficulties to enter some clubs.

France and Paris in particular are not really a place for sex. Nothing to compare with Netherland or Germany

In general in France be very careful there is a lot of rip-off.

Murilloa
01-14-04, 20:36
Gentlemen,

I may be lucky enough to visit Paris for two days soon. I am wondering if the SW scenes still exist in the Rue St Denis and in the Rue de Budapest, near Gare St Lazare. I have good memories of the Rue de Budapest from frequent visits in the 1980s with cheap and raunchy sex available all day. Have things changed? And how are the prices these days?

I hate to ask for information, I normally provide it (see Lisbon and London boards) but any assistance will be much appreciated,

Muri

Algeria for Ever
01-15-04, 03:57
See attached map for areas to find SWs. It is actually taken from a report on prostitution commissioned by the Mayor of Paris office.

Purple means that prostitution is rampant in the area, usually well-known spots, whereas red indicates that SWs are available but not that obvious (dressed in plain clothes, dont work all day aso...)

Getopardo
01-15-04, 14:43
To Murilloa,

Unfortunately, you'll probably be disappointed if you go through ru de Budapest.
Rue Saint Denis is a little better, but a little only.

French officials are presently congratulating themselves because SW have left the heart of Paris. SW have now moved to the "boulevard des maréchaux", but there are definitely fewer of them.

Priamos
01-16-04, 08:06
To Getopardo,

You're painting a somewhat too gloomy picture of central Paris. (BTW, central Paris is where I live.) Much more interesting than rue St. Denis, if you're into quick and dirty sex, that is, are the nearby areas around the metro stations Strasbourg-St.Denis and Republique, as well as the boulevard that connects the two.

The action is dominated by Romanian and Chinese women (also a few French ones of Algerian origins). The Romanians are younger than their colleagues, but they are also the ones that are by far the most prone to trickery. The Chinese women are generally past their prime (30-50 y.o.) but much more likely to make an effort beyond the call of duty. - So here's the big question: does one go for youth or effort?

The minimum price is 30 euros for one pop, and most of the Chinese women stick to this price. Romanians and Arabs often try at 40-50 euros but can be negotiated down on a slow night. To this add around 30 euros to pay for a room in a nearby shabby hotel. In the case of the Chinese you are well adviced to add a gratuity of 10-20 euros upfront; it establishes a "bond of gratitude" (very important in their culture) which brings a GFE within reach. The Romanians will probably ask for extra money by themselves; paying up makes no difference whatsoever to their attitude.

The Romanian/Arab women are found around metro St.Denis and in Boulevard Strasbourg which connects the metro station with the Gare de l'Est railway station. The Chinese women are found around metro St.Denis (the only place where the two groups mix) and on the road leading from there to Place de la Republique. Identifying the working girls (there are also many bona fide expats in the neighbourhood -- don't insult them!) is pretty easy. The Romanians usually quite demonstrative and pushy. The Chinese women are a bit more discrete, and you need to look out for married couples and college girls who also roam the streets. However, if you meet one or two Chinese women who are no longer of university age just give them a second look. If they return it, there you go, they are working.

Say My Name
01-19-04, 15:57
I am looking for suggestions or reviews. I want to find a GFE in Paris, but I do not speak French. I was hoping to stay under the 300 per hour that the escorts request, but without additional info, I will be forced to pay that. I have been to the swinger's clubs, but that isnt for me and usually not GFE. Without further info, I am looking at Taste of Heaven or Emmanuelle escorts. Does anyone have info on these, or even better, info on something better than these?

I will post my results when I return to the states.