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Sour Honey
05-17-02, 09:28
OK, let me start this Italy new forum.

I have thought to lay down some general info for foreigners (especially English speaking) that want to have a good (and useful) stay in Italy.

To other italians here: please correct this post with your info.

The info are for all Italy, obviously there are some variations between zones.

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Prices
1 Euro=90 cents (USA dollars)
in a car:
HJ/BJ from 20 to 30
Half and Half from 30 to 50

parlours:
no parlours in Italy, our law forbid the "organized prostitution"

room (incall, with at least 2 girls in)
HJ/BJ from 30 to 50
Half and Half from 40 to 100

hotel (not the same of outcalls, the girl bring you to a hotel she knows)
HJ/BJ from 30 to 50 (plus 20 for the room)
Half and Half from 40 to 100 (plus 20 for the room)

escorts
from 100 to 500 (not all the night, normally)
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....extras:
BBBJ: 5% of good chances that the girl accept it, and generally you have to double the fee

Anal: 15% of good chances that the girl accept it, and generally you have to double the fee

other (e.g. SM) 15% of good chances that the girl accept it, and generally you have to double the fee
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General situation

Prostitution in Italy is illegal (at least it has to be), but no one can prosecute you if you go for an incall, or outcall.
You can (but you have to be so misfortuned) risk a little if you use an incall with more than one girl (no matter YOU want TWO, is enough that the incall room HOSTS TWO girls)

Other words for car ...sports...: police can arrest you if they see you naked (or partially naked) in a car with a pro. You risk (it vary from zone to zone) from 200 to 600 Euros.
Anyway, this is not common, you have to be a really nut to jump in this shit.
A suggestion in case you are in the car with pro, and a police car is approaching. NEVER LET THE pro JUMP OFF the car!!! If you let the pro to exit your car, you'll risk to be arrested for "invite to prostitution" [don't know the exact term in English].

Anyway, all these bad things need a good dose of misfortune, or need that you are completely nut... :-) In 30 years I never experienced this, never!

Oh, another thing: NEVER TIP the policemen, you risk to be arrested!

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Some ....deep....enjoy info
These statistics are mine, but can show the general situation in Italy.
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Quality
In the car:
10% of good service
40% of average service
20% of bad service
20% of really bad service (just barracudas)

Incall and outcalls (outcalls UNDER 200/300Euros):
10% of very good service
30% of good service
30% of average service
20% of bad service
10% of really bad service (just barracudas)

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Nationality of pros:
streetwalkers:
15% Italian (yes, it's true!)
15% South American
20% balcanic (Jugoslavia, Russia, Romania, etc.)
50% Africa (generally Nigeria)

Incall and outcalls (outcalls UNDER 200/300Euros):
25% Italian (yes, it's true again!)
40% South American
25% balcanic (Jugoslavia, Russia, Romania, etc.)
10% Africa (generally Nigeria)
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IMHO, I prefer South American. The chance of good (at least medium) service is the highest. The partecipation, the same.
They rank from a poor 5 to a good 8, and the age is between 20 and 35. If you are not Italian, I suggest these girls (incalls)

For those that loves to SEE a young (barely 18, rarely less) girls, the Africans are the best choice. But....BEWARE! I have written SEE, not fuck...:-) . Generally are the most unexperienced, hurried, non-partecipating barracudas pros in all the world!
Then, if you love to watch and touch perky tits, firm asses and so on.... good, but do not expect good works!

With balcanic girls is impossile to define a general rule.... You can be lucky, very lucky, or you can be completely lost with a unexperienced and barracudas girls (I think my dog is more experienced and nice...:-) )

And, if you are not a very rich person..... avoid outcalls in Italy. You risk very ugly and bad experiences, and you'll pay more and more.
My statistics says that is better to have 4 pros at medium price than a bad escort here,..... at least, two of the four are surely BETTER than the escort.
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General rules and "permits"
Pros let you:
15% lick her pussy (and with a third of them is NOT a good idea to do....)
50% touch the pussy (not deep fingering)
5% deep fingering
5% mouth to mouth kisses
10% sex without condom (normally to avoid if you don't know the pro, and you are a foreigner)
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Partecipating:
10% seems to partecipate deeply ("seems" is mandatory with pros ;-) )
25% seems that like to do it, may be just a few
40% are not completely off the topic..... and do not phone and chew gums.....
25% seems ...... dead
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English Language:
only the 5% of the pros can speak a minimum of English.
The exception are the Nigerians, that know a good/acceptable English.
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Information
Local newspaper (like Secondamano)
Internet (but very poor)
avoid to ask to the hotel personnel (perhaps in South Italy you can be more lucky)
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Words (little dictionary)
PRO=prostituta, puttana (all with offence)
...better: ragazza (means girl), ragazza per la notte (girl to spend the night with) /// good to ask to Hotels, without offence.

BJ=pompino
Suck=succhiare
Penis=cazzo (vulgar), pene
Ass= culo, sedere
Fuck= fottere, chiavare, scopare
(without) condom= (senza) preservativo
Pussy= figa(vulgar), passera, vagina
tits= tette, seni
hand= mano
handjob=sega, masturbare
sperm= sperma
to come (in)= venire (in)
kiss=bacio
I call the Police!= Chiamo la Polizia! / Chiamo i Carabinieri!
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Just an important note about spelling of the vowels in Italian
Differently from English, the vowels have the SAME sound in ALL the words in Italian.
You cannot be wrong if you spell (in any case, in any position, like this:
A= like O of MOTHER ..... with a touch of the A of CAT....
E= like E of BEST
I= like EE of MEET
O= like OH!
U= like OO of MOON
... no more vowels in italian... :-)
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at the moment I cannot remember other useful things...... see you the next time. Ciao
(oh, sorry for the poor English....)

Buster Cherry
05-18-02, 02:38
RIC:

Excellent report on Italy, It is right on the mark. Your English is superbo.

However, there is one great risk you did not mention. Be very very extremely wary of Gypsy women with children everywhere you go, especially in Napoli, Pisa, and Roma. They will mob you begging and they will for sure pickpocket and get your pussy money.

No money, no figa (pussy) no succiare (BJ) no bella.

Ciao, Baybuss!

Ambroes
05-18-02, 16:35
One little correction to what RIC wrote in his excellent post.

Prostitution per se is not illegal: it is illegal to favour it (favoreggiamento) to have economical benefits from prostitution (sfruttamento) and for prostitutes and clients to offer/ask to pay sex (addescamento).
De facto police can't do anything against you if you go with a girl in a closed room (if you do it in a car and are caught.....let's forget about it) to enjoy your life!
Unfortunately, they try to find out ways to combat prostitution indirectly, trying to demonstrate that someone is e.g. favouring illegal immigration or stopping his car where it is proibished.
Unfortunately, the mainly racist part of the italian government wants to fight pros from abroad making new laws to limit steet-prostitution...... let's hope the best .... I can't go to Romania ot at least in the Babylon in Vienna each time I want to have my fun!

PS
One question to RIC. I never found an italian pros. Are there nice italians under 25-30 and, if yes, where?

Sour Honey
05-20-02, 09:44
perfect ambroes. thanks for the correction.

italian pros under 25? hmmm... if you'll ever find them.... let me know...:-)

i think that italian pros of that age are all of two kind:

escorts (with highest prices)
and......if cheaper....
aids (at least hepatithis c) sufferers

in south italy may be (never done, and to do it you have to have a perfect control on your italian!) **** girls, offered from their parents (yes, sad, but it is!). but is not my choice.


...seems impossible, but i (100% italian!!!) don't remember my last time with an italian pro! and my ....hmm .... frequence.... is 1 time per week..... from 27 years....
just a bit more seriously, the last (bad, bad!) time i pick an italian pro was 7/8 years ago. don't worth, and too much risky.

instead.... if you have asked me for 50/70 years old italian pros..... there are still a lot but..... not my choice again (and think that's a strange choice for anyone :-) )

ciao

Sour Honey
05-20-02, 09:50
.....to buster cherry.

Sure I agree.
I didn't consider it, anyway, because of their extremely dirty and unpleasant kind.

But sure agree, beware from gypsies (in any European State)

and.... LOL.... thanks for the Italian language efforts

Ambroes
05-21-02, 19:24
Ric

Regarding the Italian pros, this is exactly what I knew- never found one being "normal".
For younger ones (under 25) you have choice between highest price escorts (rare, ....extremely rare) or drug addicted "disperate" ready for a complete screening for infective diseases (you can find and recognise them e.g. in Milan near piazzale Loreto).
Regarding the over 40-50-60.... you can have a look e.g. in Voghera (PV) with some historical examples on in Genova (via del Campo... maybe).
Regarding the minors also this is sad ....very sad and true in S. Italy. From time to time mothers are arrested for this true crime! A prostitute should have the right to choose what she is doing!!!

Mr. Wet Wooly
05-22-02, 21:19
RIC,
Thank you for such an excellent and comprehensive post on Italy! I thought there was no fun at all there until I read your post.

Could you please recommend an incall with these south american girls in Rome or something else similar? Here is my email if you don't want to post.
sonnyroche@yahoo.com

Thank you.

Sour Honey
05-23-02, 07:32
Thanks for kind words, Mr Wet Wooly
And sorry, but I am 400 miles far from Rome, I don't know addresses.
I think some other posters can help you

Merlin Magician
05-27-02, 16:20
Ric,

My frind Buster says:

My Pleasure, Amigo!

Soy El Puntere Grandote'!

Oetziboy
05-27-02, 18:02
I yust want to add to RIC's real - trough post the advise to all of you guy's to avoid / or to be extremly attentive with TS along th roads, you'll find them at Night time (even in hookerfree areas) to ask you for a ride first, when they sit beside you they will start to look for a business - touching/screening you all over- sometime in a quiete rude way - be extremely careful or you will might find yourself without cellphone and with your vallet (if its still there) empty.

Sour Honey
05-28-02, 09:04
Originally posted by merlin magician
Ric,

My frind Buster says:

My Pleasure, Amigo!

Soy El Puntere Grandote'!

.....ehm..... your friend buster thinks I'm Spanish?!? :-)

You have answered in Spanish dude! :-)
Ciao
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And I agree with Oezyboy, careful, careful!

Ambroes
05-28-02, 18:08
Yo soy ..... Ahemm...... I am - sorry so much spanish in this forum- totally agreeing whith what Oetziboy told us! TS are extremely sticky and dangerous for your cell phones and vallets!
Once it happened to me that an extremely convincing one (feminine) tryed to enter my car and I had to be extremely rude to get him away (pepper spray .........)!
From that day if am approaching anyone with my car: doors locked + window semi-closed!


ah ... Oetzyboy are you coming from Simulaun like the most famuos ancient hunter-mummy found at the Italy/Austria border Oetzy?

Banana Joe
05-28-02, 19:06
This is an old post of mine, already appeared in the WSG.
I think it could be useful for the foreigners *****mongering in our country.

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I'm an italian, and I want to share my experience, expecially to help the foreigners.

First of all, please completely forget, disremember, obliterate, unlearn, consign to oblivion any idea you may have had to bang an italian pro.

You can find only two kind of italian pros: the fat-old-ugly streetwalker (almost disappeared) or the upscale (and orribly overpriced) escort (and usually only in the big cities).

So we have only a couple of options left:

1) street scene (the most commonly used in Italy)

2) classified ads (apartment scene)

3) nightclubs (very difficult and very expensive, forget it or take the first train to Prague instead)


The prices?

1) 25-30 EURO: In your car, oral sex followed by intercourse, all covered. Total time approx. 10-15 min, I guess (I'm not a clockwatcher :-).
You can ask for anal (double the above price), but not so many girl are willing to do it, maybe 5-10%.

2) 100-150 EURO: Incall, same rules of the 1), the difference is only in the comfort of a bed :-) and the longer session (but don't start drooling: is not sooo long, something like 20-30 min.)
You can usually bargain to 50 EURO for a quick suck and fuck. No shower before/after the intercourse, like in East Europe.


In either case, the decisive task is to swiftly detect (and avoid, of course) the pros with a bad attitude.

My hints:

1) Ask where she come from:

- Avoid africans (mostly nigerian): they're usually rude, cold and with a very bad attitude.

- Avoid albanians: like above, maybe slightly better.

- Best choices are, IMHO, the girls from (in the order below):

1) Ukraine
2) Romania and Moldova
3) Russia

... and generally speaking, girls from Eastern Europe, if you haven't already understand :-)

These eastern girls usually enjoy sex, and are very willing to be eaten (if you're into this kind of activity, like me ;-)


2) If you're looking for a streetwalker, from my experience:

- avoid heavy users of: cigarettes, cell phones, dressed like a TV (high boots, fur, heavy lipstick use, and so on ...) and that not smile.

- better ones usually have a low-profile look (dress casual, jeans or miniskirt), sometimes act a little shy, and the smiles they send to you, when you're making the deal, don't appear to be faked.

I beg your pardon for my poor english.

Best regards,
Banana Joe

Ambroes
05-28-02, 23:41
Besides the very precious indications given by Banana Joe I'd like to add Uruguayan (and some other lovely S. Americans) girls to the list of excellence : they are sometimes more cute and warm than the eastern europeans described by Banana Joe! You can find them e.g. in Milan.
Buon divertmento a tutti!

Buster Cherry
06-02-02, 15:52
Hey Ric!

Amigo, Spanish works very well in Italia.

I found I could get good "panocha" in Italia con me Espanol.

Ever in search of figa/panocha/pussy

Buster

BodyRockerForU
06-03-02, 13:23
Hey Banana Joe ,

I am in Milano for a day in 2 weeks time. Do you have any info
on the Appartment scene ? I am willing to spend around 200 -
300 Euros for 2 Good hours . I am staying at Crown Plaza
Hotel near Linate . If you know of anyone who can visit
in my hotel, it would be great.

Thanks in advance

Sour Honey
06-04-02, 10:21
You can try this link http://www.arcaton.com/

But remember, outcalls are very expensive and very risky (in the sense you can get the same from a much cheaper incall!) in Italy.

Good luck!

BodyRockerForU
06-04-02, 14:07
Hey Ric,
Thanks for your advise. I would be keen to try Incalls
also. Do you know anyplace which is near Linate,Milan ?
Appreciate your response. Thanks .

Oetziboy
06-04-02, 18:31
Ambroes
I live somewhere between Verona and the lake of Garda, my heritage -as you noticed- is Tirolean, I'm actually from Bolzano and I belong to the german speaking ethnic group, happy that my contributions have been appreciated. I can help all with real and trough suggestions for whoever is living for the Philippines which I know well.
Happy hunt to all of you

Ambroes
06-04-02, 20:44
Oetziboy
OK dann koennen wir auf Deutsch weitermachen..... OK stop it it here with German, as I understand you live somewhere on the "nazionale" (Peschiera-Verona) ..... well i lived there too about ...... 22 years ago when I was a kid! Now I live near Milan (Ambroes=Ambrogio tipical name from Milan .....).

One question: how is the updated senario in Lago di Garda, Verona and Brescia region? Is there still something moving or is it getting worse from year to year like here?

Servus

Sour Honey
06-05-02, 07:08
BodyRockerForU
...sorry, but the nearest city to Linate is ........ Milan.

Anyway, you have good bus connections, and, if you'll rent a car, it's easy to reach (relatively.... for you USA drivers, you have not the habit to drive in narrow street, with other cars that pass you at 100 Mph, on the left and on the right...:-) )

Oetziboy
06-05-02, 18:04
Ambrogio ich lebe noerdlich von Verona SS12…and to all which are interested in
Verona has some action around the exibition area (high way exit Verona Sud) black girls, have not tried since couple of years so no idea on the cost, some of them real beauties, same think near and around the train station, avoid there the white girls (if they’re woman – some TS - they’re mostly drug addicts) along the SS 11 the action is doing quiete well, good looking girls all the way up to Sirmione, according to the unsafe situation and the frequent police raid I prefer to get my girl from a Night Club – so I do not have info about current rate on the street workers.

Ambroes
06-05-02, 21:56
Oetziboy

You told that you get your girl from a Night Club! Could you give some more infos about this option ..... I understand that maybe you could not like to provide it because the italian law is proibishing this kind of practice organised in Nights.... (I can only say .... Austria felix ...... you understand, maybe :-) .... last time I was in Vienna I spent three long evenings in a club called Babylon; spent lots, lots, lots, of Euro .... but once at life you should afford the best of the best!!!)

Viator
06-06-02, 20:34
Hi all fellow puncters (British for "tricks") !

I just registered and am now back in the community! Let's hope it was a wise move -- theoretically we Italians could be charged for "incouragement of pronstitution" (favoreggiamento) just for exchanging useful information on this board, or os I believe. Any thoughts on this issue? I remember that a crazy judge charged a couple a few years ago, just for posting an erotic ad on a swinger magazine. I feel we should be all a trifle careful in concern with the ideas we state on this board, now that we were forced to drop our email addresses...

Concerning the discussion below: I shall freely admit it, I am one of those crazy guys who like having sex with addict girls. Hey, let me take cover before flaming away! I like them for reasons of my own, but I only get blowjobs with condom, so I feel pretty safe... at least as far as AIDS is concerned. Is there anybody sharing my tastes on this mailboard?

Best,
Viator

Oetziboy
06-07-02, 18:14
Ambros
There are some clubs which are rib off (as you shurely know) and some others where it is quiete easy and let’s say nearly normal to do so. If you want me to mention names may send your mail to mecar@tin.it and I’ll be more specific. Beside this I guess that our local forces of law and order do not check this board, I guess they have some more important checks to do……

06-24-02, 03:41
Hi vialator,,there are guys who share your tastes in the USA Boston boards with some interesting points of view, and probably lots of other boards.
I did not use my regular e mail adress to sign up,,the police could still track me down if the were willing to spend a small fortune just to find out if I am dumb enough to admit to being on the keyboard for the post. Its all fictional anyway for the sake of art right. I can't imagine many police would waste their time on this when its so easy to simply follow and arrest hookers in the act.

Marcos
07-04-02, 08:20
today the national italian media reports of a bust in which 5 people were arrested for 'making money out of (other's) prostitution'. basically, a couple operated an apartment in turin, where two or three east-europe girls worked under the pretense of giving massages, and a soccer player admitted that he paid for sex, problem was the money never went to the provider but was kept by some woman-in-the-middle. and, a (italian) provider that claims she never really liked her job has also turned in some of the customers, apparently more soccer players. she's now making some easy money selling interviews with her sad story etc.
now for the foreign readers i would like to say things like that are not the norm but rather the result of an impetuous investigating judge and the general atmosphere pressing for a crackdown an mercenary sex. everyone in their own right mind knows that the abused women are not the ones that work in apartments and behind such stings usually there is the desire of visibility or the hope to get a foot in the door of rings of bigger crimeslike drugs or ****phily, that are guranteed to give you headlines and a career advancement if you're le or a judge. the norm, for apartment operation, is that they go undisturbed for a very long time, i know some that have been in the business since some 20 years now.
again for the out-of-country average guy looking for some casual sex, don't worry and go ahead to your apartment date, the worst you risk is spending money with someone that is not worth it. thanks heaven, in italy the cops are not allowed to use entrapment methods like decoys, hidden cameras and such. paying for sex is not a crime, and even in the impossible case you're caught with your pants down, your answer should always be 'so what ?'.

Viator
07-10-02, 18:32
Brett,

thanks for the answer. I'll give a look to the Boston folder, that's for sure. You're probably right in concern with cops, but yet, in Italy you're never sure of anything -- it all depends on what myths and moral fictions the media instill on the herd's minds. Politicians and prosecutors may be then intersted in showing off their readiness to comply with the "new moral sensitivity" and take action against the first guy they can lay their hands on (as attested by the previous message on this mailboard), if you get the message. Apologies for my broken English.

Viator

Lazzaro
02-20-03, 19:04
Hallo frends..

if you're interested surf on the site:
http://www.puntorosso.net/
or
http://www.puntorosso.net/prova1.htm
(if you want by-pass the welcome page where you have only to click on "enter" button)
or
http://www.puntorosso.net/prova2.htm
(the extension for the "women" section)
then choose the region (I've choosen "Lombardia")
http://www.puntorosso.net/cittalombardia.htm
and now click on the city you're interested to

Finally you could choose the one you'll like.

Have funnnn

Sailor75
02-26-03, 23:09
Sardinia

Hey does anyone have any info on this little island over here. Maybe some numbers. Thanks
Sailor75

Octatron
03-17-03, 18:52
Can you buy Viagra without a prescription in Italy?

Lazzaro
03-20-03, 14:34
Originally posted by octatron
Can you buy Viagra without a prescription in Italy?

No, you can't.......for the law!!!!!
...but we are in Italy ;-}
Officially you can't buy VIAGRA without prescription, but it depend from the pharmacist (chemist).
I could say that 95 times on 100, you can but viagra without prescription. If the pharmacist don't want sell you, try for another site

Octatron
03-21-03, 18:43
Thanks lazzaro.

Jonathan G
06-16-03, 14:54
Italian street prostitution: a repressive law is coming?

Hello, I'm an italian new member of this Forum.

Sorry for the long post, but I'd like to explain to you some facts regarding prostitution in Italy, because there are things that are happening just now in Italy and can change the picture within some months.

I think many guys here already know that (especially italian guys, of course) but many others, especially non-italian ones, probably don't.

So I think is better to inform foreigners about the fact that, if some bills are turned into law, in the near future they could have trouble if they are caught with a streetwalker in Italy.

First, I'd like to sum up the situation.

In short, prostitution in Italy has been legal since ... ever! Pimping and favoring prostitution are prohibited, but prostitution in itself is not illegal. A quite surprising fact, if you consider the catholic background of my country.

But brothels has been prohibited since 1958 (by the "Legge Merlin", the law named after Angela Merlin, the italian congresswoman who proposed it).

The Italy report on WSG states that streetwalking is not legal: that's not strictly true.

In fact, there is the offence of "adescamento" (enticement), usually not enforced, but if it's the customer to "contact" the girl (as usually is) there is no offence at all, as far as I know.

There have been many attempts to "fight" prostitution by fining car drivers that stopped at side of prostitutes on the street, using Road Code rules, but that idea was so stupid and unfounded that was never put into effect for a long time. There is no law that forbids street prostitution in Italy, until now!

So, now in Italy you can find prostitution:

- at prostitute's home: you have to read ads in newspapers (usually under "Relazioni Personali", "Relazioni Sociali", "Massaggi", etc.)

- at your home or hotel room: look at the word "ALTRUI" in the ads, the girl (or trans or man ...) will came to you

- in "club privè", kind of sexy night clubs where you can come to an agreement with a "dancer" to fuck her for money: please remember that, although often tolerated, running a such establisment is illegal, because it is, in fact, a brothel. However, the risk is basically of the club's owner, not of the customer (although it wouldnt be a nice thing to be surprised by the "Polizia" ...).

- in some "fitness centers" or "massage centers", where you can have very special kind of massages, too. This is as illegal as any establishment in Italy where you can fuck for money and there were recent police busts in some cities.

- on the street: there's plenty of street prostitutes, but this could change within some months.

Street prostitution:
Until a dozen of years ago street *****s in Italy were mainly italians (often old and ugly, sometimes young and drug addicts).

After the fall of Berlin Wall and the disgregation of Communist Block in Eastern Europe, a lot of young prostitutes from East began to come to European western countries, including Italy. Many other black girls came from Africa, mainly from Nigeria. Contrarily to a common belief, the vast majority of them come here voluntarily, to earn a lot of money (even if almost none is a fully independent worker, having to rely upon illegal gangs to enter and stay clandestine in Italy; so a lot of their earnings go to pimps, that in some cases are quite violent).

But no more than 10-20% of them, mainly amongst Albanians and Nigerian girls, was forced to do that: there are at least four serious researches that demonstrates this.

So, now in Italy you find a lot of streetwalkers and 90% of them are young girls from Eastern Europe or Africa (italian *****s now work into their own apartments, almost all of them). Some of the foreign streetwalkers (I think about 30-40% of them, no more, and not in all italian cities) have a flat where they can take the customer, other work on the street only.

Unfortunately, in these recent years there has been a lot of Police actions to "oppose prostitution" and this has probably to do with the fact there are now less street girls who have a flat renting a flat to prostitutes could be considered "favoring prostitution", that is an offence; moreover, a flat is a "fixed" reference point which can be used by Police to discover and catch pimps). So, a lot of girls now are "forced" to stay on the streets and fuck in the cars only.

For a white-skinned girl the prices go from 30 Euros for a quick blowjob+fuck into your car to 50-100 Euros for a fuck in girl's flat (depending of the kind of service you ask for; anal fuck at girl's home is usually about 70-80 Euro, about 20-25% of girls do anal).
Black girls are, as usual, cheaper than that.

Please note: these prices are in line with prices in Northern Europe's low-cost brothels, like walking-thru brothels in Germany or red-light districts in the Netherlands.

So you can think at the street prostitution scene in Italy just like an "open air" brothel. In fact, there is no difference in cost and services between a young girl in an european red-light district and a young streetwalker in Italy who uses her own flat for fucking and uses the street to be contacted by the customers: same price, same services. I know that by personal experience, I had been in german, dutch and spanish brothels.

And, I have to add, many of the girl from East Europe you find on italian streets are really pretty and often quite polite (Rumanians girls are probably the best ones).

In my opinion, the price/performance ratio of these girls (especially if they fuck in a flat) is quite good and it makes no sense for me to search for olders and often unpleasant italian *****s who ask at least two or three times as much for exactly the same services!

The same goes for foreign prostitutes who works only into their apartments, contacted by phone, but asks for 150-300 euros: their service is usually as quick as that of their equally pretty colleagues who contact customers on the street, so why pay so much more?

So, the italian street picture seems at first quite good: you can find many pretty girls to fuck for a reasonable price; you can contact many of them on the street and fuck them in a comfortable flat (not all, unfortunately)

But Italy is a catholic country (at least "formally") and there are many people (especially catholic ones, but not only them) that are ideologically against prostitution. They don't respect other's right to make their own sexual life choices: they say that "prostitution is a bad thing", is a "sin" and/or "is a bad thing to see" and they want to do everything they can to eliminate it. If we hadn't the Vatican in our territory, it probably wouldn't be such a problem. But we have.

So, from almost ten years to now there has been an incessant propaganda to ask for restrictive laws about street prostitution.
The "champion" of this propaganda is Oreste Benzi, who is (have a guess ...) an italian priest. The point of his argument is "NO ONE woman want to be a prostitute and ALL the foreign prostitutes in Italy are SLAVES". That affirmation is absolutely FALSE.

As I've said before, there are almost FOUR scientific researches, that have been done in Italy, that deny it. In other words, Don Oreste Benzi is a bigot LIAR.

But in a (formally) catholic country, where you are forced to watch in TV every step of the Pope, a lot of journalists pay attention to this priest and almost no one disputes his assertions. I've set up a web site just to do this:

http://digilander.libero.it/Jonathan_X/

It's my site about prostitution in Italy (italian language only, English is OK in Forum); please note: the URL is case sensitive. You won't find in it "practical" information about prostitutes in Italy, it's just a place to debate about prostitution (laws, comparison between different countries, freedom of sexual choices, the problem of trafficking).

Don Benzi tried to persuade many members of Italian Parlament to approve a law similar to the repressive swedish law, which punishes the customers of prostitutes (on the streets, at home, into a brothel, everywhere!). So far, it seems he has failed and I don't think he'll fully achieve his goal.

But since 2001 here in Italy we have a right-wing government, which seems resolute to use the street prostitution "problem" for its own propaganda: they promised they'll "clean-up" the streets from prostitutes, arguing that is a "scandal" that prostitution is so visible. IMHO, they are just trying to use this to divert the attention of italian people, to hide their failures in economy and the fact they are attempting to stop some trials Mr. Berlusconi is facing.

But I cannot avoid to mention that there are many anti-prostitution bigots on the left-wing side, too.

The italian government, at the beginning of 2003, presented a BILL which FORBIDS STREET PROSTITUTION, allowing it at home.
But if the law passes, both prostitutes and customers will be FINED if found meeting themselves on the streets. More, prostitutes could be JAILED if found on the streets a second time! Renting a flat to a prostitute will no more regarded as favoring prostitution, but brothels will remain illegal and maybe will be prohibited the prostitute's ads in newspapers too!

THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL, THE DRAFT OF A LAW, FOR NOW, and there is some debate about it. But I think the government will try to made a law from it and they have enough seats in Parliament to do that easily. Moreover, event within the centre and left-wing politicians there are some as fanatical as Don Benzi or that are anti-prostitution feminists!

This will be the end of italian street prostitution, without substituting it with the rational Eros Centers or red light districts you can find in many other european countries (including the catholic Spain).

Maybe one day in Italy we'll have "informal" eros centers made of buildings entirely occupied by prostitutes, each one into his own flat, but at the beginning such a law will be a huge obstacle for prostitutes and customers, especially when combined with recently approved laws against clandestine foreigners.

If that bill passes into a law, expect a huge decrease in visible prostitution in Italy and, probably, increasing prices. And consider the risk to be fined (and maybe publicly exposed) if caught by Police.

There's no sign, for now, about the scheduling of that bill, but I suspect it could be turned into law before year's end, if the government wants to do that.

I'll try to inform you, posting into this Forum, of every relevant development about this matter. I hope other italian guys can help in doing this.

In the meantime, I invite everyone interested in this to look also at my site (especially italian speaking guys), with wich I'm monitoring the developments in Italy, too.

It's an italian language only site, I'm sorry I have no time to translate it into English; but if you are interested in putting some questions about Italian situation in its Forum, you can do it in English too, I'll try to answer (sorry if there are delays, I do it in my spare time).

Please note: it's NOT intended as a "practical" forum like this one, so please don't ask there about prostitutes in Rome, Milan or other italian cities! It's just for debating about prostitution and it's an absolutely free site (so I hope this is not considered as "shameless self-promotion"). Especially because debating is in some cases more important than exchanging info, IMHO, more than ever when repressive laws are coming.

Jonathan

BodyRockerForU
07-17-03, 18:30
Jonathan,

That was a great posting and very informative indeed for Non Italians like me who are unable to understand why Italy is so much different to places like Germany and Holland. Good work friend.

Mad Frax
07-20-03, 09:05
TO JONATHAN

I have visited your Web site and I find it very interesting.

One information: do you know if the law against street prostitution has been shelved? I have not heard nothing else (luckily!) about this law.

Thanks!

Stay cool,

Mad Frax

Jonathan G
07-23-03, 16:55
Originally posted by Mad Frax
TO JONATHAN
One information: do you know if the law against street prostitution has been shelved? I have not heard nothing else (luckily!) about this law.

Thanks!

Stay cool,

Mad Frax Last news I read about is from the letter the Minister for the Equal Opportunities, Stefania Prestigiacomo, sent to the newspaper "La Repubblica".
It has been published on the weekly insert "Il Venerdi" of July 11th 2003.

She said that "the law is currently under examination by Parliament, it needs a thorough and not hurried discussion and I have no intention of asking any time restriction about that debate. This is no shelving at all."

My humble opinion: that law proposal is so inconsistent (no street prostitution but no Eros Centers; yes to prostitutes at home but joint owners can object to that; no stay permit for foreign prostitutes, so they'll be forced once again to rely upon dangerous gangs to stay clandestine in Italy; ...) that I suppose even some people at the government are aware of this and are asking themselves if it wouldn't a good idea to shelve it.

But this law proposal is largely a propaganda affair ("we'll clean the streets") so I'm afraid they'll finally made a law from it.

The only good thing that perhaps could came from such a law would be to allow "de facto" Eros Centers, that is entire buildings with all flats rented to prostitutes, usually using italian figureheads or foreigners with long-term stay permit.

A quite hypocritical "solution".

By the way, the Minister letter repeats once again the Big Lie of Don Benzi, "the vast majority of street prostitutes are slaves", and take that as the foundation of any possible law. This way, starting from wrong statements, she obviously misses the right target.
I'm sorry up till now I didn't found the time to write to "La Repubblica" about that, because is unacceptable the Minister doesn't know the truth about street prostitution she is legislating about.

Jonathan

Lazzaro
07-25-03, 13:21
Originally posted by Mad Frax
TO JONATHAN

I have visited your Web site and I find it very interesting.

One information: do you know if the law against street prostitution has been shelved? I have not heard nothing else (luckily!) about this law.

Thanks!

Stay cool,

Mad Frax

Only for explanation

The prostitution in Italy, is NOT illegal.
It is illegal to lure someone or sell sex for money or something other merchandise.
The law in discussion (not yet approved) change the status and recognize the pros. like other workers, it means they have to pay the tax, could sell sex for money, could work in a flat (now it's impossible: if you rent a flat to a pro, you could be accuse of "aiding and abetting").
There are some problem to approve this law, because (I heard this ....."blowing in the wind") it seems that some politicians earn some extra money from this illegal action. Are they "after" the mafia people? Ehm..... I don't know but it is really strange it is not yet approved......

Ciao

Mad Frax
07-26-03, 15:26
Hi Jonathan and Lazzaro,

Many thanks for your explanations about the absurd law proposal on street prostitution.

In my opinion government wants to cancel prostitution in general, not only street prostitution. They say a prostitute can work in a private apartment, but which joint owner will be agree to have prostitutes in his condominium? Undoubtedly there are women forced to prostitution by pimps, but we have to remember there are also independent streetwalkers who work for theirselves.
I hope this law will be shelved, or we will return to the repressions of the Victorian Age (witches hunting!).

Perhaps it will be better to have a legal Red Light District like in other European states (HIV tests for girls, struggle against the flood of crime).

Stay cool,

Mad Frax

Lazzaro
07-29-03, 11:31
Originally posted by Mad Frax
Hi Jonathan and Lazzaro,

Many thanks for your explanations about the absurd law proposal on street prostitution.

In my opinion government wants to cancel prostitution in general, not only street prostitution. They say a prostitute can work in a private apartment, but which joint owner will be agree to have prostitutes in his condominium? Undoubtedly there are women forced to prostitution by pimps, but we have to remember there are also independent streetwalkers who work for theirselves.
I hope this law will be shelved, or we will return to the repressions of the Victorian Age (witches hunting!).

Perhaps it will be better to have a legal Red Light District like in other European states (HIV tests for girls, struggle against the flood of crime).

Stay cool,

Mad Frax

....At least we, who live in Milan, could go to Lugano (switzerland) far only 1 hour by car.
I agree with you, but keep in mind that ONLY italian girl are free to choose this "career" ALL the others, are forced (sex slave) by east mafia people.
...could happend also that some girl forced to prostitution work in agood way, but she's not my target...


Ciao

Antonio
07-30-03, 19:27
Lazzaro, Mad Frax, et al.,
Anyone know how to get info on the scene in Udine? (anche i friulani avranno voglia di peccare ogni tanto, no?)
L'informazione puo` anche essere scritta in italiano.

Jonathan G
07-30-03, 19:30
Originally posted by lazzaro
keep in mind that ONLY italian girl are free to choose this "career" ALL the others, are forced (sex slave) by east mafia people.
...could happend also that some girl forced to prostitution work in agood way, but she's not my target.

Ciao Sorry, I FULLY disagree with you, Lazzaro, and for very good reasons.

I've set up a web site just to explain to people that there are to date 4 (FOUR) researches by Italian sociology institutes and universities that affirm SLAVES ARE NO MORE THAN 20% of foreign streetwalkers in Italy.
So, at least 80% of them do that VOLUNTARILY, although they certainly would be happy to work without the need of pimps "support" and without having to give part of their earnings to pimps.

But today in Italy there are no legal Eros Centers, so there is NO WAY for a foreign prostitutes with no long-term stay permit (usually they have temporary touristic visas or are, or become, clandestine) to work legally renting a room in an Eros Center or a red-light district; obviously, for them taking for rent a flat from an italian citizen is the same impossible, usually.
So they are forced TO RELY ON "east mafia people" to stay and work in Italy: the pimps move the girls from a city to another to avoid Police busts and get the flats for the girls that work indoor.

There is A CERTAIN WAY to put "east mafia pimps" (or any other pimp ...) OUT OF THE GAME:

1) by legalizing the Eros Centers, so the girls could legally rent a room, even for short time

2) and allowing foreign prostitutes to stay legally in Italy (long-term stay permit for work or, at least, no problem to work renewing periodically short-term visas)

This way foreign girls had NO NEED for pimps, and that's the whole point.

This ISN'T the way our present government is following, of course.

I know in Italy there is a lot of people, even amongst prostitutes customers, that still believe that "all foreign prostitutes are slaves": this is the result of almost A DECADE OF LIES by Don Oreste Benzi, amplified by italian newspapers and television.
Italian people heard these lies for years, without hearing any objection from journalists.
During the same years, NO scientific researches has been shown to support Don Benzi assertions.

On the contrary, FOUR scientific researches has been done and they ALL AGREE and say that the vast majority (at least 80%) of foreign prostitutes in Italy are VOLUNTARY, just like in the other european countries like Spain, Netherlands, Germany, etc.
Of course, these scientific researches are NEVER mentioned by journalists or politicians in television, but they are for REAL (you can find links in my site).
So italian people is sinking into ignorance whereas italian politicians are writing absurd laws.

It was a surprise to me to find these researches exist, because nor television neither newspapers or magazines mention them!
I thought this is scandalous, so I decided to set up the site.

Maybe you never have been with a foreign streetwalker in Italy.
I have, many times, and I can say that I've found NO DIFFERENCE at all amongst their dreams, desires, needs, attitudes, etc. and the ones of prostitutes in other european countries (I knew many of them, too), where Eros Centers are legal and no one has the impudence to say lies such as Don Benzi does.

They, usually, don't talk like slaves, don't think like slaves, don't behave like slaves ...
Well, that's obvious: THEY ARE NOT SLAVES.

They just need help to do well and safely the job they freely choose, without having to rely on pimps.
But the present law proposal doesn't answer at all to their needs, especially when combined with the other recent xenophobic Italian laws.

Jonathan

Jonathan G
07-30-03, 19:43
Originally posted by Mad Frax

Perhaps it will be better to have a legal Red Light District like in other European states (HIV tests for girls, struggle against the flood of crime).

Stay cool,

Mad Frax Eros Centers and Red Light Districts works very well in every country they are legal, especially to defend foreign prostitutes.
With them foreign prostitutes DON'T NEED ANY "HELP" FROM PIMPS, because they can legally rent a room for their job, even if they have only a temporary touristic visa!

I've even read that probably in the Netherlands they will get long-term stay permits for work (there is a rule of European Court of Justice about that)!

Eros Centers and RLD = PIMPS OUT OF THE GAME.

Very simple. Maybe too simple for the schizophrenic, phobic and twisted attitude of some italian people about sex ... :-(

Jonathan

Jonathan G
07-30-03, 20:12
Originally posted by lazzaro

The law in discussion (not yet approved) change the status and recognize the pros. like other workers, it means they have to pay the tax,Not true: the law in discussion doesn't say anything about taxing prostitutes and doesn't want to recognize prostitution as a job. If it would, I would agree with that law, but it doesn't .

Minister Prestigiacomo said that clearly at italian TV: "we are not going to consider prostitution as a job".


could sell sex for money, Well, this is legal even now, if it's done by an individual and not into an Eros Center.


could work in a flat (now it's impossible: if you rent a flat to a pro, you could be accuse of "aiding and abetting").
That's true, and in my opinion is the only good point of the law. But if joint owners make opposition.


There are some problem to approve this law, because (I heard this ....."blowing in the wind") it seems that some politicians earn some extra money from this illegal action. Are they "after" the mafia people? Ehm..... I don't know but it is really strange it is not yet approved......
Ciao No need to think about such a serious and bad thing.

IMHO, italian government has simply get caught by itself absurd "reasoning":

1) We want to "clean the streets", just for propaganda.

2) We don't want to legalize Eros Centers (we have the Vatican in our territory and Catholic Church doesn't want them)

3) But we cannot forbid prostitution (maybe nine millions of customers in Italy, that is nine millions of votes).

4) So we have to allow prostitution at home: let's allow to rent out flats to prostitutes.

5) But, wait for a moment! There are at least 20.000 (if not 50.000) streetwalkers in Italy! How can we put all of them in "normal" condominiums?

6) Great Idea! We could legalize "special" condominiums!

7) "Special condominiums", that is, "Eros Centers"! Oh, no.

Bad reasons and absurd reasoning give birth to bad and absurd laws.

Jonathan

Lazzaro
07-31-03, 13:04
Jonathan G

You're right.
I beg you pardon for a little mistaken, but let me revise something:


It is not legal sell sex for money (you could sell sex for vegetables, meat, soap,....anithing else but money). In fact a lot of people has some problem with Justice (?!) due to were catch them red-handed while they were paying prostitute with money and now they're charged for instigation to a prostitution.

.-.-.-.

I could agree with them if they really clean the streets, because many, many, many SW are quite naked also in the afternoon close to some garden where lot of children are playing.
This is not acceptable.
On more, could be that they f**k in a customer car few meters far and the children could see....
Naaaaaaaa.
...but it is only "propaganda".

.-.-.-.

Mr Prestigiacomo told something like that, but I heard also him add: "this could be a first step to recognize prostitution like a job and make them to able to pay taxes" On more, I believe that "Lega" Party is preparing some amendements to the law, to permit to any single city/town and so on, to create a "red light distirct" and avoid having a SW in the rest of the city.

.-.-.-.

You declared that in Italy there are about 20.000 SW in Italy (takin in consideration only official figures).
If you count an average of 500 Euro per night per SW, and than you multiply this number for about 300 days per year (I don't take in consideration 65 days, because some days they could not to be at work for several reasons) you have about:
3.000.000.000 (3 billion) of Euro.
Only based on "Official numbers" and only for the SW.
Maybe some politician could have their hands sprinkled with flour?
They are not only "a market of 9 million of votes" but also a big circulation of money.
And where is so much money.....

.-.-.-.

Here we have yet the N.I.M.B.Y. syndrome (Not In My Back Yard): the most important point, is not to legalize, but get them far away from our eyes.
If you don't see a problem, it doesn't exist.

Ciao

Lazzaro
07-31-03, 13:11
Originally posted by Jonathan G
Sorry, I FULLY disagree with you, Lazzaro, and for very good reasons.

I've set up a web site just to explain to people that there are to date 4 (FOUR) researches by Italian sociology institutes and universities that affirm SLAVES ARE NO MORE THAN 20% of foreign streetwalkers in Italy.......
Jonathan


You were lucky, because during my periodic visit to the SW in Milan (and around) what they told me were totally different.
Anyway, you could imagine that the foreigners SW could lie for fear?

Could be that Don Benzi make bigger than it is in reality the situation, but I was with several SW (from Nigeria, Albania, East Europe, Centre Africa, .....at least also a Greek girl) and all of them told me they have a pimp.....
But I refer to only a SW, not to a prost. who work in a flat

Jonathan G
07-31-03, 14:36
originally posted by lazzaro
it is not legal sell sex for money (you could sell sex for vegetables, meat, soap,....anithing else but money). in fact a lot of people has some problem with justice (?!) due to were catch them red-handed while they were paying prostitute with money and now they're charged for instigation to a prostitution.in italy is not illegal being a prostitute and is not illegal to have sex with a prostitute and pay the girl.
luckily, italy is not sweden (up till now) where is illegal to be a prostitute customer.

i never heard of a customer being charged for "instigation to a prostitution" just for having paid the girl: if this is true, it's an abuse, just like other strange ways we have in italy to "fight" prostitution (fining streetcar drivers, for example), but such abuses usually don't last for long.
remember when a judge confirep001ed the cars of some customers for "encouraging prostitution"?

well, after few weeks another higher judge ruled that was an illegal abuse and closed the issue.


i could agree with them if they really clean the streets, because many, many, many sw are quite naked also in the afternoon close to some garden where lot of children are playing.
this is not acceptable.
on more, could be that they f**k in a customer car few meters far and the children could see....
naaaaaaaa.
...but it is only "propaganda".
as far as i can see, the vast majority of sw are no more naked than television showgirls and even no more naked than "normal" girls walking on the streets.

and surely much less naked than any girl on any beach, near the children on the same beach.
however, there are perfect solutions to this "problem": eros centers, red light districts and prostitution "zoning".
but this is not the government solution


mr prestigiacomo told something like that, but i heard also him add: "this could be a first step to recognize prostitution like a job and make them to able to pay taxes"as far i remember, she said the opposite, saying "we don't want to legalize prostitution, that is the reason we can't tax prostitute and we can't force them to medical checks".
there are other politicians at the government that are thinking about taxing prostitutes (daniela santanchè of an party, for example), but there is nothing about that in the law proposal.


on more, i believe that "lega" party is preparing some amendements to the law, to permit to any single city/town and so on, to create a "red light distirct" and avoid having a sw in the rest of the city.i'd be very happy to see that, but i don't think it will become reality because the catholics at the government (and at the opposition too) disagree with that idea.
so we'll have "street cleaning" without red light districts or eros centers, that is: clandestinity , more danger for prostitutes and more criminal affairs.

moreover, the lega party says nothing (or say: no) about the more important thing for foreign prostitutes: stay permit for work as a prostitute in italy.
if the prostitutes can't have it they will be forced into clandestinity and will be at pimps mercy, hidden into flats.


maybe some politician could have their hands sprinkled with flour?

they are not only "a market of 9 million of votes" but also a big circulation of money.
and where is so much money.that is a very serious charge, i can't follow you in that.
please remember we have *hundreds* of politicians at the parliament: are they all in collusion with the "east mafia"?


here we have yet the n.i.m.b.y. syndrome (not in my back yard): the most important point, is not to legalize, but get them far away from our eyes.
if you don't see a problem, it doesn't exist.

ciao i agree with you about this. in fact, i'm in favour of full legalization of prostitution (between consenting adults, of course), after that we could think to move it indoor.
but, i repeat, i see no sign our government want to legalize it.
it just want "to get them far away from citizen eyes".

and with the big and unbelievable mistake of trying to put prostitutes into condominiums!

jonathan

Jonathan G
07-31-03, 15:14
Originally posted by Lazzaro
You were lucky, because during my periodic visit to the SW in Milan (and around) what they told me were totally different.

Anyway, you could imagine that the foreigners SW could lie for fear?I answer in detail to such worn-out objections in my site, so I don't want to talk length on it here.

Here I answer to you with just another brief question: if every SW is a slave and lie for fear, how can Don Benzi know that they are all slave?

Just to prevent your probable objection, please remember: Don Benzi is just ONE amongst hundreds of "street operators" which help SW and is almost lonely in saying "they are all slaves".
Censis and Parsec institutes, for example, made interview with a hundred street operators and just about 10% of them agree with Don Benzi, the others disagree with him.

But the others usually are not interviewed by television.


Could be that Don Benzi make bigger than it is in reality the situation, but I was with several SW (from Nigeria, Albania, East Europe, Centre Africa, .....at least also a Greek girl) and all of them told me they have a pimp.....
Oh, please, this is a CRUCIAL point:

I'm not saying they have NO PIMP.
I know they usually have.

They are forced to rely on pimps to stay in Italy, because they can''t have long term stay permit (often they can't have touristic visa renewal too, especially after the Bossi-Fini law) and they can't easily rent a room or a flat in Italy.

Pimps get the flats for them and move them from city to city (both to avoid Police busts, usually not for slavery but for exploitation, and to change periodically "marketplace").

Last year there have been even on newspapers stories of FREE agreements between prostitutes and their pimps in Italy: board, lodging and transportation for 40% of their earnings given to pimps.
Obviously the girls would prefer not to rely on pimps, but nowadays in Italy this is almost impossible for a foreign SW.

But HAVING A PIMP DOESN'T MEANS THEY ARE FORCED TO PROSTITUTION, doesn't mean they are slaves.

They would be happy to continue doing prostitution, earning even more money, if they could do it without pimps "help".

We have "volounteer foreign prostitutes" in every other european country, why we had to believe to such a strange thing as "just in Italy they are all slaves"?


But I refer to only a SW, not to a prost. who work in a flat I see no clear cut distinction between SW and other kind of prostitutes in Italy, about the slavery issue. In many cases there are volounteer SW that work indoor, in a flat, but uses the street to contact the clients (or to perform just a quick BJ in customer's car ...).

Jonathan

IT_Stallion
08-03-03, 17:43
quote:
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Originally posted by Jonathan G
In Italy IS NOT illegal being a prostitute and IS NOT illegal to have sex with a prostitute and pay the girl.
Luckily, Italy is not Sweden (up till now) where is illegal to be a prostitute customer.
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Can someone please tell me what is legal and what is not. I am confused about the current law in Italy.

Is it legal for girls to walk the streets?
Is it legal to pickup a girl with your car? Will the police do anything if they see you pickup a prostitute?

To avoid the Polizia, is it better for me to walk the streets and take a girl behind a tree or is it safe enough to pick her up in a car and drive to a secluded area?

What will happen if the police catch you having sex with a girl? What should one do if this happens... bribery?

Ambroes
08-03-03, 22:21
Originally posted by IT_Stallion

Can someone please tell me what is legal and what is not. I am confused about the current law in Italy.

Is it legal for girls to walk the streets?
Is it legal to pickup a girl with your car? Will the police do anything if they see you pickup a prostitute?

To avoid the Polizia, is it better for me to walk the streets and take a girl behind a tree or is it safe enough to pick her up in a car and drive to a secluded area?

What will happen if the police catch you having sex with a girl? What should one do if this happens... bribery? [/i]

Unfortunately, in Italy if we speak about prostitution it doesn't import too much what is legal and what is not legal ....... police (or Carabinieri) are deciding themselves what they consider legal or not .......

It can happen that they know well the prostitute and chat with her in a friendly way, or that they want to bother her as much as possible:
it depends on what their "capitani" are deciding....

If they stop you and decide to proceed in some way against you, there is nothing to do: you will pass an awful 15 minutes up to a whole night as a host of the italian state (fermo per accertamenti) .....

If afterwards a judge decides that you were doing nothing wrong it doesn't import! They have the guns and power enough to bother you as long as they want!

Regarding the laws about prostitution it is still not clear what will happen in the next future:

Now it is legal having sex and pay for it , it is illegal to make profit from someone making sex for money (sfruttamento), it is illegal to favour prostitution (favoreggiamento) and it is illegal to ask/offer sex for money (addescamento). Hundreds of different interpretations were found to bother people who wanted simply to have some sex for money - that's it!
In addition, laws against illegal immigration (most sexworkers are illegal ...) are making the situation worse (and making the sex-mafia happy).

Some suggestions:
-avoid to pick-up girls directly with your car - stop your car on a parking place and walk to the prostitute - then return with her to the car.
-never have sex in the car - only in closed places: if police is getting you having sex in a "public place" then ..... buona notte!
-avoid to drive with your favourite near a police patrol .... this happened to me ..... they recognised the girl and tried to stop me for a check: I was behind them and the patrol went slower and slower ..... they wanted me to pass: well I used my knowledge of the streets in Milan (and of the girl ....) to get rid of the police patrol keeping another street! Another time they stopped me with the same girl .... checked my documents and the documents of the girl. Then they asked me if the girl was a friend of mine ..... unfortunately for them she is: the officier was astonished to hear from me the name and surname of the girl, the birthplace, the birthday and were she was currenly living ....

Italy is becoming worse and worse for us .....

Lazzaro
08-04-03, 12:37
to jonathan g

i think ambroes is right.

the edge of what is legal and what it isn’t it is not so clear and some policeman see it in a way, someother policeman see it in another point of view.

bytheway, you say:
quote: “if every sw is a slave and lie for fear, how can don benzi know that they are all slave?”
don’t you think that don benzi talk with them night after nigh after nigh after nigh after nigh after nigh….and in the end these poor girls begin to trust in him?

could be.
or couldn’t be.
imho for most of "street operators" is easier to say "they are all slaves", but it doesn’t mean necessarily that it is all true.
but also could be that it doesn’t mean necessarily that it is all false
i think most of them are slaves.
you think the opposite.
official number doesn’t exist, so you remain of your idea and i of mine.
;-)

just yesterday i saw a tv program where 3 prostitutes were interviewed and all 3 declared they choosen free this job.

quote: “but having a pimp doesn't means they are forced to prostitution, doesn't mean they are slaves.”
always imho, i think that if they have a pimp, they’re slave.
doesn’t exist “bodyguard” for the prostitutes, and if they don’t catch enough money at the end of the night, they’re in trouble. ) i refer only to the slaved girls. the others are free and it is not so important to achieve a target “in money” every night)
it is about what you said: “they are forced to rely on pimps to stay in italy, because they can''t have long term stay permit (often they can't have touristic visa renewal too, especially after the bossi-fini law) and they can't easily rent a room or a flat in italy. pimps get the flats for them and move them from city to city (both to avoid police busts, usually not for slavery but for exploitation, and to change periodically "marketplace").”

when i talk about sw, i refer to all the prostitutes who work being picked up by car and have intercourse in the car,
there are, also, a lot of prostitutes who work in a flat and to meet them you have to read their anouncements on the newspapers (secondamano, corriere della sera – massaggiatrici, ecc.) and “ring” their bell
hope this is clear.

quote: “in italy is not illegal being a prostitute and is not illegal to have sex with a prostitute and pay the girl.”
some times yes, sometimes no.
if you sell sex for money it is not illegal, but you could be charged for aiding and abettin prostitution (favoreggiamento)

quote: “i never heard of a customer being charged for "instigation to a prostitution" just for having paid the girl”
despite for you, but in umbria (and in riccione/rimini too) several people were charged for it. they say: if you pick up (or pay) a sw, is like you want invite her to go on with this job.
i know, they’re crazy, and it is an abuse, but in the meanwhile you are in a police station.
that’s that

quote: “remember when a judge confirep001ed the cars of some customers for "encouraging prostitution"? well, after few weeks another higher judge ruled that was an illegal abuse and closed the issue.”
of course, but in the meanwhile what’s about your life? and your wife/girlfriend? what does they say?
the judge doesn’t care if put you in a deep trouble
as ambroes said: they have the guns and power enough to bother you as long as they want

i know that the vast majority of sw are no more naked than television showgirls and even no more naked than "normal" girls walking on the streets, but their attitude is different! i don’t believe that all the “normal” girls walking on the streets when you approach them they pass their tongue on their lips, or invite you, or touch her pussy with their hands, or….: the attitude is differente, and “normal” girls don’t have bj or intercourse in a car close to the play garden.
and for the tv program, you could change the channel
on the beach the context is quite different, isn’t it?

i agree with you: there are perfect solutions to this "problem": eros centers, red light districts and prostitution "zoning".but this is not the government solution

quote: “as far i remember, she said the opposite, saying "we don't want to legalize prostitution, that is the reason we can't tax prostitute and we can't force them to medical checks".
there are other politicians at the government that are thinking about taxing prostitutes (daniela santanchè of an party, for example), but there is nothing about that in the law proposal.”
i didn’t say it is in the proposal law, but only i’ve heard the minister say that

quote: “please remember we have *hundreds* of politicians at the parliament: are they all in collusion with the "east mafia"?”
could be, i don’t know, but i think that if they only want, mafia (either eastern that italian) will be seriously defeated.

also me, like most of us, i'm favorable for full legalization of prostitution (between consenting adults, of course), after that we could think to move it indoor.
and it is true (sich!) we don’t see signs from our government want to legalize it.
it just want "to get them far away from citizen eyes". (true)


i think that we have used this form along as “private” chat, and i suggest to cut here.

your opinion is too clear, my opinion too.


ciao

Mad Frax
08-13-03, 14:04
Hi guys,

From “La Stampa” (August 9th, 2003) the last news about the questionable law proposal against street prostitution. Next September the Italian Parliament will discuss the law. Franco Grillini (DS party) defines this law proposal simply “hypocritical”, while Gianfranco Pittelli (Forza Italia) wants to find a point of agreement between the two parts.
Thanks to this article from “La Stampa” I have known Eurispes had done a research about prostitution in the summer 2003. There are less streetwalkers than in the past and Internet seems to be the new resource for prostitutes and customers. If this law will pass and street prostitution will be prohibited, I hope government will guarantee the untouchable right of prostitutes to practise their work in single apartments without any subterfuge. In the contrary, if government will permit to condominiums to decide about the presence of prostitutes (this seem to be the intention of the Italian government) there is no other solution than the creation of a Red Light District under the control of the law. For now, we have only to wait until September…

Stay cool,

Mad Frax

Ambroes
08-23-03, 20:48
My fear is thet the new law + the old law "Legge Merlin" (most probably they will remain in force both, as a good italian "tradition") will make things impossible .....

One simple example: all internet sites located in Italy where pros were offering their service were closed by the police!!!!!!! if you connect you will find a nice message from the authority thelling what happened ....
All sites had to move at least to Switzerland ...... (.ch).
In addition I know from the girls that they have lots of trouble: police is checking their activity .... they wait for a customer and find two policemen checking their ID, their stay permit , etc.





[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mad Frax
[i]Hi guys,

Thanks to this article from “La Stampa” I have known Eurispes had done a research about prostitution in the summer 2003. There are less streetwalkers than in the past and Internet seems to be the new resource for prostitutes and customers. If this law will pass and street prostitution will be prohibited, I hope government will guarantee the untouchable right of prostitutes to practise their work in single apartments without any subterfuge. In the contrary, if government will permit to condominiums to decide about the presence of prostitutes (this seem to be the intention of the Italian government) there is no other solution than the creation of a Red Light District under the control of the law.

Jonathan G
08-25-03, 18:55
to lazzaro

frankly, i don't think we have used this forum for a "private "talk, as long as we tried to support our views with objective info that are, i think, of general interest. so i just want to make clear a few points, giving some info, before closing my speech:

- don benzi is just one of many "street operators" that help prostitutes (every night, just like that bigot priest ...) and among them is almost alone in saying "they are all slaves" (censis research, year 2000, says that only 16,1% of operators affirm that "the vast majority are slaves"; censis interviewed about a hundred street operators).

- if you don't believe to four independent scientific researches that all agree with the fact that the slaves are no more than 10-20%, i'm happy i can say to you that "official numbers" ... does exists! ;-)

a few years ago the "commissione affari sociali" ("social affairs commission") of "camera dei deputati" (for non-italian readers: is one of the two branches of the italian parliament) ordered a research that gave these results: about 2000 slaves amongst 25.000 foreign prostitutes in italy, that is less than 10% of slaves ...
just one link that reports about it: http://web.vita.it/articolo/index.php3?newsid=24316
last time i've heard these figures was at the popular talk-show "porta a porta", but no one of the politicians that was present noticed that these figures totally deny and scredit don benzi assertions, they all went on with talking about slavery just as if don benzi were right.

well, italian politicians are strange people: they ordered a research, got the results and don't use these results when talking about new laws.

quite "funny", isn't it? :-(

- in my experience, for a lot of foreign prostitutes in italy the flat is just a second option to give to the customer: cheaper in the car, more expensive into the flat (usually the double).

so, i don't think there is any real difference between "street" or "flat" prostitutes from foreign countries, it's just the pimp choice to risk or not to rent a flat to get double tariff (a flat is a fixed reference point, for the police too ...).

btw, pimps existed since ... ever! much, much before these talks about slavery we have these years.

i don't like pimps but being a pimp, in itself, doesn't mean to enslave prostitutes. event with today's "east mafia" pimps.

happy to see we agree on the solution: eros center and "sex districts" to allow prostitution, with no need for pimps, with much greater police and health control and without disturbing people that don't like it.

but i'm afraid in italy it will remain a dream for many years to come.

ciao.

jonathan g

Jonathan G
08-26-03, 17:35
Originally posted by Ambroes
My fear is thet the new law + the old law "Legge Merlin" (most probably they will remain in force both, as a good italian "tradition") will make things impossible.

One simple example: all internet sites located in Italy where pros were offering their service were closed by the police!!!!!!! if you connect you will find a nice message from the authority thelling what happened ....
All sites had to move at least to Switzerland ...... (.ch).
Moreover, some Italian politicians recently proposed to include into the new prostitution law the prohibition of newspapers ads!

In other words: someone is trying to fully "hide" prostitution in Italy even at the cost of making Police work much more difficult.

This will lead to clandestinity, more dangers for the prostitutes and a heaven for criminal pimps.



In addition I know from the girls that they have lots of trouble: police is checking their activity .... they wait for a customer and find two policemen checking their ID, their stay permit , etc.Yes, there is an ongoing repressive action that is reaching absurd peaks: an italian friend of mine has a russian girl friend, absolutely NOT a prostitute (she is not very young, BTW); since the start of this anti-prostitution hysteria has became much more difficult for him to get a temporary touristic visa for her.
There is nothing wrong about him or her: italian authorities make obstruction and delay simply because she is a russian woman.

I'm not optimistic, too.

There are very few politicians in Italy that know that matter well and that don't think about it in an ideological way: Katia Belillo of PRC, Franco Grillini (DS), maybe Daniela Santanchè (AN) and a few others. And a lot of the rest still believe to Don Benzi.

One year ago I decided to build up a web site just to try to oppose this trend, in my own small way. In fact I think the only thing that could hold back politicians to release a bad and repressive law could be the opposition of these "nine millions of prostitutes customers", that are nine millions of votes, too. Unfortunately, one year later it seems to me that little or nothing has changed about clients apathy.

In the web site of "Comitato per i Diritti Civili delle Prostitute" (italian Committee for Prostitutes Civil Rights) is reported a press release of the "AnonimaClienti" organization ( http://www.luccioleonline.org/documentazione/prost.htm ).

Have you ever seen any other activity from that "AnonimaClienti" organization? I don't.
As far as I know, they never publicized their web site, supposing that they have one. And they never publicized how to join their mailing list!

Hey, I know we need "anonimity", I myself use a nickname, but "anonimity" doesn't mean "being invisible"!

I'm afraid italian clients will really wake up only when it will be too late.

Jonathan

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to remove the multiple periods at the ends of sentences. To avoid future delays, please use just one period at the end of sentences in future reports. Thanks!

Mickey Mouse
09-17-03, 03:16
Girls are Alive and very well in Italy!

I have just returned from some recon and came away with the following:

Best new talent:
1. Eva @ Evaescort.net (spent 2 glorious days with her, check my comments in Florence)

2. http://64.191.212/annunci_top_class_escort.php I saw Sheryl who made the trip from Bologna for the night and I was not disappointed. Multiple sessions, massages, BBBJ, etc. Her comment when going to sleep was "wake me anytime when you want me!" Guess what, she meant it.
Another listing was Claudia who has incall in Florence, we talked, but I did not get the chance to visit.

3. Oasi2000.com, then click messagi, then girls(another site, but didn't have the chance)
Most of the girls I met would travel around Northern Italy and were extremely accommodating!

I'll be back just to see Eva again!

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Mickey Mouse
11-11-03, 04:35
An update to my previous trip and report:

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www.Oasi2000.com seems to have many listings of ladies all over Italy who only do incall while others will make the visit. I've been limited to Florence and 1 night in Rome so far, but it is nice to finally make some connections.

Lovetodoyou
01-06-04, 04:03
Does anyone have any advise on woman who have incall services that are clean and beautiful? I will be in Italy at the end of March. I will fly into Rome, and will be with my girlfriend. I want to do this on the sly without her knowing. Thats why I am planning ahead. She will go shopping while I do my thing quick. I think italian women are hot. Are there any brothels in Italy? What are the typical prices? I am new to this.

Please help.

Viator
01-22-04, 00:48
>>> Are there any brothels in Italy?

Lots of them, tough they are illegal (even if prostitution is not). Just buy the newspaper "Messaggero" (I think that's the title, I don't live in Rome and my memory is not foolproof) and you will find hundreds of ads under the heading "Incontri" (Meetings) or "Personali". Just call the one suiting you, some among those who answer will be probably able to speak a rough English.

Sorry to be unable to provide more detailed info, you might want to check the Rome folder. Good riddance to your baffled girlfriend!

Viator
01-22-04, 01:01
Last evening I was in Brescia Mandolossa, but I could only find Blacks and transexuals. Does anybody know where White girls have moved?!

Ciemme
01-22-04, 17:28
>>> Are there any brothels in Italy? Lots of them, ....

Well, I don't agree with Viator. Brothels are indeed illegal in Italy. You can find many ads on the newspapers (Messaggero in Rome, Corriere della Sera and Il Giorno in Milan, La Stampa in Turin), you can even find specialized magazines full of ads (like Chiamami) or browse the Personal or Encounters section in generic ads newspapers like Secondamano. There are several web sites with escort and massage ads.
But generally these are working girls offering incall (or outcall) services, they are NOT brothels, like the one you can find in Switzerland, Germany, Spain or Eastern Europe.
In some case you may have two girls sharing a flat, but each one advertise on her own with her own phone number.

Sometimes you read on newspapers about beauty centers which offered sexual services (illegally), but then it's too late, because the police already closed them :-) and of course they don't advertise openly their "second" or "hidden" activity.

Ciemme

Keaton 64
04-22-04, 19:15
Italian experts, I know my request is not so common and is difficult to get an answer, but I am goign for some days to Basilicata (Potenza). Does anybody here know where I coudl find some "fun" in that sleepy area?

Thank you all anyway.

Skeetm
07-10-04, 22:09
Good Day All,
Heading back to Italy after a few years in the states. Got hooked on the Asian Massage Scene, and then moved to Independent escorts. My question is: I have viewed a few websites and noticed Escorts.... and then Girls. Are Escorts different??? Are Girls Independents??? Please help.... Thanks
Ciao
Skeet

Ciemme
07-11-04, 20:00
On the italian web sites Escort means Outcall, Girls means Incall service.

Best regards

Ciemme

Capt Ajax
11-04-05, 19:22
rose thought she was coming to europe to study and earn some money with a part-time job. what the nigerian girl didn't realise was that books would be a distant dream and the work she would be doing was prostitution.

"two people working in an apparently-normal travel agency arranged my journey. but once we arrived in europe, we were locked in an apartment for a month and a half," she recounts. "they emptied our bags and seized our documents."

sophie tells a similar tale. she thought she was coming to work in a shop or a factory to give her and her family a chance of a better life. she now makes 2,000 euros (us $2,400) a week -- something she could never have dreamed of back home in her village in nigeria -- but the price she pays is selling her body.

“i thought i would be free in europe," she says wistfully in the dark, tiny one-room flat she shares in the italian port city of genoa with two fellow sex workers.

there are no official figures but the international office for migration (iom) estimates there 70,000 women living in italy after being trafficked for sexual exploitation. and some local rights groups believe as many as half of them are nigerian.

traffickers demand on average more than 50,000 euros (us $60,000) for travel expenses and accommodation, with the girls having to work for them until the debt is paid off.

"i think in one year, i'll be able to pay my debt," said 24-year-old naomi, who came to italy to earn a living for her younger siblings after their parents died. "i will pay. i don't want to offend them. i know there will be so many problems down there if i don't."

that is a fear often held by women forced into prostitution, says sister valeria, who has spent time in nigeria's edo state, and now works with victims of trafficking in italy. she says traffickers often coerce victims by exploiting their belief in voodoo rituals.

“they often make a sachet with the girl’s hair or underwear and even menstrual blood and they keep it,” she said. “girls truly believe that if they reveal the names of these people or don’t pay them back, horrible things will happen to them and their families.”

merciless journey

even before the girls arrive to discover the reality of their new life in europe, they have often undergone excruciating journeys just to leave their home continent.

these days the high-priced voyage from west africa to europe is most often via the sahara desert, where it is easier for people to move about clandestinely with no papers.

“we walked for months,” said sharon, one of sophie's flatmates in genoa, who made what she called a "merciless journey" through the desert to reach the northern tip of africa from which she could take a boat to europe.

“many people died. sometimes we would drink our [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109),” she said shaking her head at the memory.

the plight of west africans desperate for a chance at a better life in europe has been under the media spotlight recently after several migrants were killed trying to scale a wall into spanish enclaves in morocco last month.

the incident and ensuing mass deportations of africans pushed the issue to the fore at subsequent meetings in brussels between african and european leaders.

during those meetings, the european commission proposed that member states come up with a plan to strengthen efforts to prevent people being trafficked for sexual and labour exploitation.

but many people -- from former malian president alpha oumar konare to aid workers trying to combat the problem -- believe that the focus needs to be back in africa, tackling the root cause of illegal immigration. poverty.

"exploitation feeds on poverty," says sister florence, who leads an organisation called the committee for the support of the dignity of women based in benin city, southern nigeria.

“we are hungry here,” she told irin. “the nigerian economy is very bad and keeps getting worse every day. so children, especially daughters, become people’s source of income.”

teresa albano, who works for the iom in rome, says in nine out of ten cases, the families have signed their daughters away knowing full well what they are destined for.

“the girls are not free to decide for themselves and say no,” she said. “when the girls sign the ‘contracts,’ a family member has to be the guarantor, and there is always a clause that says girls will accept any job the organiser will offer in the destination country.”

breaking out?

for those girls who do want to break out of the bondage, there are few options. they are on italian soil illegally with scant resources.

the only get-out that the italian legal system provides is a "social protection residence permit", but that means denouncing your exploiters to the police, which is exactly what the girls fear.

according to the caritas-migrantes group, which studies immigration trends, only 999 of these permits were granted to nigerian women between 1998 and 2004.

another alternative is a repatriation programme, run by iom, which can help women home on a voluntary basis. but there too, the way if fraught with problems.

"when the girls are released by the nigerian police, after having undergone a mandatory hiv test, their traffickers are out there, ready to force them into the racket again," said albano at the iom.

and if they manage to dodge the traffickers, the girls can still run into to problems closer to home, says sister florence of the benin city group.

"when the girls come back, they are expected to bring money and wealth and if they don't their families reject them and their trauma is twice as big," she explained.

but occasionally there are out-of-the-blue happy endings.

rose, for example, says she was saved by one of her clients, claudio. now he's her partner and together they have written a book about their story, hoping to raise awareness about the problem of nigerian immigrant girls on the streets of italy.

Jonathan G
12-26-05, 00:10
I know that the article here reported has spread on the whole net but this fact doesn't add nothing to its degree of truth.

In fact, that article LIES.

LIE #1:


There are no official figures but the International Office for Migration (IOM) estimates there 70,000 women living in Italy after being trafficked for sexual exploitation. And some local rights groups believe as many as half of them are Nigerian.FACT #1:

Trafficking in Italy is a SMALL part of prostitution market.

ALL the sociological researches done so far (there are four, last ones are of year 2002, see http://jonathanx.altervista.org/leggenda/ricerche.html) shows that in Italy there are about 50000-70000 prostitutes OVERALL, the immigrant being about 25000, and just about 10-15% of the immigrants are FORCED.

This fact is also recognized by IOM itself (see the document: http://www.iom.int/DOCUMENTS/PUBLICATION/EN/MIP_Italy_traff_eng.pdf
"For Italy as a whole it is estimated that there are between 19,000 to 25,000 foreign prostitutes and of these, it was calculated that approximately 2,000 have been trafficked.").

The document is quite old but I've carefully searched the IOM site and found no trace of other documents talking about 70000 prostitutes trafficked (forced) in Italy, that in fact is a fully ABSURD figure.

Everyone who knows prostitution estimates about Italy is aware that 70000 is the maximum estimate figure for ALL prostitutes, italian and immigrants, and certainly NOT for the trafficked ones (which are just a small part of immigrants, so not more than 2000-2500 women)!

In my opinion, some italian anti-prostitution bigot (maybe from italian Catholic Church organization Caritas?) told that absurd figure to the press, lying about IOM, and unfortunately the lie has spread.

LIE #2:

The only get-out that the Italian legal system provides is a "social protection residence permit", but that means denouncing your exploiters to the police, which is exactly what the girls fear.FACT #2:

That statement shows again how much that article LIES: in Italy a trafficked prostitute has NO OBLIGATION to denounce the exploiters to the police, to obtain the "social protection residence permit" (thanks to the so-called "articolo 18" of the immigration law)!

From a site of Italian government:

http://www.pariopportunita.gov.it/I-SERVIZI/ATTIVITA-/notizie/Legge_Tratta.doc_cvt.htm

"il rilascio del permesso di soggiorno per motivi di protezione sociale non è in alcun modo subordinato all’obbligo di denuncia da parte della vittima"

That is

"the social protection residence permit is granted without the obligation to denounce for the victim".

It's a good aspect of the law, that everyone who knows about prostitution issues in Italy is aware of.

It's quite evident that the article writer knows very little about italian prostitution market or ... he is lying on purpose.

It's quite sad we here in Italy are continuously forced to refute evident lies from anti-prostitution bigots and bible-thumpers.

Roman Guy
12-28-05, 10:33
I agree with you,Jonathan G.

This phenomena of women traffick and forced prostitution exists - yes - but it is irrilevant compared to the enormous number of women working.

I know almost good the situation for the African ones and in spite of some few situations of girls forced into this activity, deported with the illusion of a real good job in Europe, threatened by voodoo, the most are volunteers.

Maybe the rate of volunteers is lower among the European ones (Romania,Albania,Moldovia,Ukraina,...) but just try to open one of the several websites for dating or lonelyhearts or similar items, check the African session and enter in touch with some African girls.
After a short period of chatting they will express you the wish to come to Italy - as always a girlfriend of her already did - and work in the prostitution biz.

She will demands you for an invitation letter with the illusion it is a valid condition to get a visa to Italy and even sometime she will ask you to fly to her country, marry her and introduce her to Italy where she plans "to work as a free lancer prostitute".

Girls with similar projects in their mind are in the middle or high social class at home:students,clerks and even teachers or nurses.Some are single mothers or unemploied and they don't know how to grow up their children but some are just young girls with a healty wish to travel and see the world as we normally do in Europe and USA.

If a traffick exists, managed by someone, it is because an US girl who wishes to come to Italy just goes to an agency,books a flight,a hotel and travels without any formality other than a valid passport and a credit card.
An African girl must indeed uses an illegal channel because according to the European law it is forbidden for her to enter Europe and - as well known - illegal channels are not for free, the price is to work as a prostitute for someone to refund him/her for the service.

I like to conclude using Jonathan's words - I hope he will allow me(!) -
"It's quite sad we here in Italy are continuously forced to refute evident lies from anti-prostitution bigots and bible-thumpers."

Mr Happy Feet
01-20-06, 09:14
Hello All,

I normally monger in Virgina, USA. However, I have recently traveled to TJ Mexico and Bahrain and enjoyed what the land has to offer. (see my posts) My next trip is scheduled for Napoli (or Naples as we call it) next month. I have posted to the Napoli board for over a month with no response. I know there must be some action down there. I lived in Sicily for years and I could always find a brothel or several girls working the truck routes all day from morning till evening.

I will be staying in Capodichino and will have a car the whole time. I would appreciate any help you have to offer. If you want to get together while I am there that would be cool too.

If it is absolutely necessary to travel to a different town for the hobby, please tell me where. This is a working trip, but I will have the weekends and most nights free.

Thanks!

MHF

Roman Guy
02-03-06, 10:13
Hello All,
.............
I will be staying in Capodichino and will have a car the whole time. I would appreciate any help you have to offer. If you want to get together while I am there that would be cool too.
.............
MHF

Dear fellow,
if you like black girls (Nigerians) take your car and drive in the night along via Domitiana - direction Castel Volturno and divert also in dir. Villa Literno.
Castel Volturno and the other little cities around had been settled by Nigerians in these last 10 years.They have also bars and one disco club, open on Saturday in Villaggio Coppola - near Castel Volturno - called La Mela.It is worth to pay a visit.
Price are lower than in Rome - my city - and you can have a shot in your car for just 10 - 15 euro.

Mr Happy Feet
02-08-06, 19:35
I arrived in Naples before lunch and after dropping off my stuff at the hotel I headed for Castel Volturno on via Domitiana. I did not have to drive far. You can find SWs right outside Lago Patria.

I stopped and talked to several Nigerian and non-Nigerian girls. Some were young and slim and some older and curvy as well as all in the betweens. After a few passes up and down Domitiana, I selected Lisa. She is a large breasted Nigerian who was just on the side of the street near the road construction.

Like all the girls I talked to, they all want Euro 50 which includes the hotel they work out of. Lisa however, has her own apartment and we went there. She would take no less than 30 Euro. Her apartment was safe, but that is all I will say. Even though she was good looking, she was not much of a performer—something like a starfish with hands.

Some of the more successful girls sit in their cars and you follow them to the “hotel”. I did not visit any of these hotels. I only had Lisa so far.

None of the girls would accept 15-20 Euros, but maybe if you spoke Italian you could negotiate better. Lisa said all the white girls get Euro 50 or more for a very quick car or hotel Shag.

That is all for now.

Viator
03-04-06, 13:12
[QUOTE=Roman Guy] This phenomena of women traffick and forced prostitution exists - yes - but it is irrilevant compared to the enormous number of women working.

WELL SAID!, Roman Guy. Our medias are redundant with lies intended to impress prejudices over the herd's minds, and unfortunately the myth of forced prostitution and women trafficking is one of them. I don't think the phenomenon to be as "irrelevant" as you write, but it certainly accounts for a modest percentage of street prostitution.

A couple years ago I watched an in-deep report over prostitution in Italy and Spain aired by a German station. The reporter interviewed lots of women who had returned to their home country, and about 80% of them said that they had freely chosen the job in order to make money or escape difficult familiar situations at home. In Germany street prostitution was no major issue at the time and medias felt free to report the situation truthfully.

I write this even if I personally am into S/M and the idea that a pretty girl may be enslaved, humiliated and forced to have sex with guys she hates arouses me; in fact, my best sex raids on the streets have often followed some TV report full of (mostly imaginary) horrors about the treatment dispensed to Eastern European women by their pimps :-) This is also the reason why I like addicts.

I would like to introduce one more topic related to the lies spread by mass medias... I suspect the accounts concerning skyrocketing sexually-transmitted deseases among women working on the streets to be as much a fabrication as the fairy tales concerning enslavement and forced sex.

I once took part to a convention on tipic and a spokewoman reported that only 13% of foreign prostitutes received in the help centrals run by the Caritas (an Italian Catholic organization) had been found ill, and only 5% had tested positive to AIDS. This was about 4 years ago.

Can any of you confirm these rates, or post links to reliable Internet sites?

Viator

Oetziboy
03-04-06, 15:46
I'm also pretty sure that it exist in our country, I came in to friendship couple of years a go with Albanian girl, which told me that ones her ...(don't know how to call him) become aware of us took her and her girlfriend in another city until he was sure that there was no (financial) danger for him...later she was "released" and returned (thanks good) safe back to her hometown where is is still - free



[QUOTE=Roman Guy] This phenomena of women traffick and forced prostitution exists - yes - but it is irrilevant compared to the enormous number of women working.

WELL SAID!, Roman Guy. Our medias are redundant with lies intended to impress prejudices over the herd's minds, and unfortunately the myth of forced prostitution and women trafficking is one of them. I don't think the phenomenon to be as "irrelevant" as you write, but it certainly accounts for a modest percentage of street prostitution.

A couple years ago I watched an in-deep report over prostitution in Italy and Spain aired by a German station. The reporter interviewed lots of women who had returned to their home country, and about 80% of them said that they had freely chosen the job in order to make money or escape difficult familiar situations at home. In Germany street prostitution was no major issue at the time and medias felt free to report the situation truthfully.

I write this even if I personally am into S/M and the idea that a pretty girl may be enslaved, humiliated and forced to have sex with guys she hates arouses me; in fact, my best sex raids on the streets have often followed some TV report full of (mostly imaginary) horrors about the treatment dispensed to Eastern European women by their pimps :-) This is also the reason why I like addicts.

I would like to introduce one more topic related to the lies spread by mass medias... I suspect the accounts concerning skyrocketing sexually-transmitted deseases among women working on the streets to be as much a fabrication as the fairy tales concerning enslavement and forced sex.

I once took part to a convention on tipic and a spokewoman reported that only 13% of foreign prostitutes received in the help centrals run by the Caritas (an Italian Catholic organization) had been found ill, and only 5% had tested positive to AIDS. This was about 4 years ago.

Can any of you confirm these rates, or post links to reliable Internet sites?

Viator

Roman Guy
03-06-06, 11:05
I'm also pretty sure that it exist in our country, I came in to friendship couple of years a go with Albanian girl, which told me that ones her ...(don't know how to call him) become aware of us took her and her girlfriend in another city until he was sure that there was no (financial) danger for him...later she was "released" and returned (thanks good) safe back to her hometown where is is still - free
[QUOTE=Viator]

Many times media,politicians,public opinionists confuse - intentionally or because of their ignorance - forced prostitution,women's traffic,illegal immigration.

Just to try to set the record straight, we know that every young people like to travel,to see the world,to experience differently and to earn good money.

An USA girl,who likes to experience in another land, takes her allmight passport,buys a flight ticket and reaches a different country such as Italy for istance where she can remain as a tourist for 90 days.In the while - if she likes our country - she will find a job as English teacher or shop assistant and confirm her staying here for a longer time.Everything very easy!

A Nigerian girl who wants to experience something alike, pressed also from the extreme poverty of her existence, finds, as first difficulty, that she is not registred as citizen in her country,that means no passport available.
Even if regulary registred it is forbidden for her to enter Italy legally because of the well known Shengen trade and Italian law:she needs a visa and the Italian embassy in her country will always refuse it to her.
There is no way but illegal immigration that costs a lot of money to be paied to the "carrier".
When in Italy, this girl will give back gradually the money to the person who made her coming here and this is what people confuse as "forced prostitution".Nowaday the ammount should be around 40000 euro,as someone as told me confidentialy.

About the strong tendence to the prostitution of some girls from particular countries,it will be happened to everybody of us to contact girls - or to be contacted by - from South America,West Africa,... via Yahoo!Messenger or other chat,dating,lonely-hearts websites.One of the first wish that those girls manifest is to travel to Europe - Italy specially - and work here as prostitutes following the dream of the easy money.This is also their style of life in their homeland,as we can read in this Forum in the appropriate sections and experience travelling.

If someone is still believing in forced prostitution extending the phenomena to the 100% of the situations, I can only say he is a thumper and a flagman of the religious repression and is not ready to accept the idea of a woman who is able to have sex lightly and easly.

Hizark21
04-09-06, 10:45
I prefer sw's or privat's. One reason is that if they are a street girl you know that they have the option of quitting if they want too. There is nothing to stop them from getting on a bus or going to a cop if necessary in most cases. Now mind you that there is corrupt cops and they might have to face the prospect of deportation.

The big advantage is that the sw's are cheaper in general.

Roman Guy
04-21-06, 08:45
...specially your last line!!!

About the prospect of deportation in case they go to a cop, there is a sort of tollerance in this case if they "collaborate".



I prefer sw's or privat's. One reason is that if they are a street girl you know that they have the option of quitting if they want too. There is nothing to stop them from getting on a bus or going to a cop if necessary in most cases. Now mind you that there is corrupt cops and they might have to face the prospect of deportation.

The big advantage is that the sw's are cheaper in general.

SailorTom
08-20-06, 23:43
Any info on Sardegna, Alghero in particular?

Thanks

Tom

Balul
09-15-06, 11:53
Is it possible to get prescription medications in Italy without a Prescription?

I'll be staying in Italy for few months, and I don't know if I should take a supply of medications with me or will I be able to buy it there, which will be much more comfortable. I read somewhere that most medications can be obtained in Italy without a prescription, but I don't know if it's true or not.

Thanks!

Roman Guy
09-28-06, 09:49
Check:
http://www.africananews.com/opinion/200507/trafficking_in_women_from_nigeri.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060918/481/c7a727277de94c579f3653cff05a8d7a

http://www.progettoroxana.it/roxana/


and open the attached MSWord document.

Lazzaro
09-28-06, 11:03
Is it possible to get prescription medications in Italy without a Prescription?
I'll be staying in Italy for few months, and I don't know if I should take a supply of medications with me or will I be able to buy it there, which will be much more comfortable. I read somewhere that most medications can be obtained in Italy without a prescription, but I don't know if it's true or not.
Thanks!

Theoretically no, it is not possible,.......but in fact you can.

It depends much from "how you are" and "who you are".
I mean: if you go in a pharmacy, dirty of days, with louses jumping on your head, farting and belching, obviously no! nobody gives you anything!, but if you go "in order" (especially if you're not Italian) gently speaking and well-mannered asking, well.... if you tell them clearly your symptoms they helps you deeply.
Obviously, you never obtain medicines containing anphetamines or other "drugs", and, most of all it depends also from the pharmacist and, given that you should have the prescription, if you don't get what you need, you can't be angry: it is the law; but 8 times to 10 you get what you want.

Rresuming: Theoretically it is impossible, but often you get it!

ciao

Upforit
09-28-06, 13:06
Balul,

I have obtained medication without a prescription many times. It's usually as simple as Lazzaro said, dress well and ask nicely. If one pharmacy refuses you, another will likely fill your order, so you can "pharmacy shop" until you find one that serves you.

Once I needed a hard-to-find medication and I went to one pharmacy, where they told me that the medication I wanted required a special prescription in triplicate (!) and could only be dispensed in public hositals. Crestfallen, I tried my luck for the hell of it in another pharmacy. The woman said "sure, I can get if for you by this afternoon" after warning me that it would be expensive (about €80). She even gave me a small discount. Another time, my gf wanted birth-control pills and I had to go to two or three pharmacies, but I managed to get those too with no prescription.

If you have an empty box or bottle of the drug you need it makes it a lot easier too as many pharmacies will accept these as proof that you have business taking your requested medication.

Roman Guy
09-29-06, 09:39
Balul,

I have obtained medication without a prescription many times. It's usually as simple as Lazzaro said, dress well and ask nicely. If one pharmacy refuses you, another will likely fill your order, so you can "pharmacy shop" until you find one that serves you.


I suggest you a trick that can help you, maybe.

Produce yourself a prescription just writing a fake businnes paper with the name of a doctor (existing or not) from another city or from your country if you are not Italian.

Anyway every big citiy has a hospital or a medical centre just created for foreigners (both, migrants and tourists) where it is possible to receive meds without prescription and sometime even for free.

In case you are in Roma check for San Gallicano Hospital in the area of Trastevere.

Roman Guy
10-27-06, 19:01
Just not to attach several times the same files I prefer to redirect you to the Nigerian section of this forum and read the report #216 and attachements.

It describes the everyday's life of Nigerian girls at the university, the ones who prefer not to afford the risky travel to Italy but to eat the soup at home!

Enjoy!

Kylie
03-23-07, 15:21
Hello gentlement!

I am a chinese independent escort from Hong Kong and I've been planning to move and work in Europe as a full-time independent escort but I don't know where is the best place for me to stay n take clinets.I was planning to move to London but there r thousand of escorts live there and the rent is very expensive..I always want to go to Italy but I don't speak italian and am not sure if this is wise for me to work there..I'd like to ask you guys if it's easy for an asian independent escort to take clients in Italy?

Sorry if my english is not very good coz this is not my first language.

Thx a lot!

Hugs n kisses

Kylie

Jibjab Joe
04-07-07, 23:13
Anyone know of any action in Belluno?

Doctor D
05-14-07, 20:18
I'm visiting Italy this fall and would like to inquire about the availability of sensual massage. I'm one who actually wants a good quality massage + the "happy ending" that can be a real erotic experience, if one is in the right hands. I will be in Bologna primarily during this trip. Your advice is welcome.

Dr D

Giannibella
05-16-07, 23:55
Hi, I don't know if you are still looking for a new place where to go to work but I can swear you that in Italy, maybe better Roma or Milano, if you are a very beautiful asian girl you can make a lot of money for sure. And that because in Italy we have only e few good Chinese sexworker, from China of course, and nothing more. After that the night. So think about a late me know if you need same more information. The language it's not a big problem in may opinion. By by.


Hello gentlement!

I am a chinese independent escort from Hong Kong and I've been planning to move and work in Europe as a full-time independent escort but I don't know where is the best place for me to stay n take clinets.I was planning to move to London but there r thousand of escorts live there and the rent is very expensive..I always want to go to Italy but I don't speak italian and am not sure if this is wise for me to work there..I'd like to ask you guys if it's easy for an asian independent escort to take clients in Italy?

Sorry if my english is not very good coz this is not my first language.

Thx a lot!

Hugs n kisses

Kylie

Captain1
05-17-07, 17:34
Anything available on Sardinia, Specifically in and around Olbia?

Eros74
06-24-07, 12:49
Hi friends, I will be in Treviso in couple of weekend, anybody knows where is the SW scene in TV?

Thanks in advance!

It Travel
07-15-07, 08:55
All the Italian type of police, depending on the place, (Polizia Municipale, Polizia, Carabinieri etc), have started to take your car for several months (!!!) if you are found beeing fucking a pro in a open space.

This is still very seldom but it happens. So be aware!

It's better to spend some € more and go to a hour hotel or to the girl house...

IT

Illini333
09-06-07, 03:38
I am looking for a little advice. I will be having business trips all over Southern Italy. I will more then likely fly into Naples everytime. I am looking for an Italian girlfriend. I like my girlfriends to be somewhat dark skinned. Any suggestion for a white American guy in his mid 20s to go to? I will land in Naples and I will have to go to Bari because I need to catch a ride to Albania. But I will have plenty of time to pick and choose where to go. Any suggestions guys? Not looking for a professional but a girlfriend to have when I come back for business.Are girls hard to meet? I speak some Italian that I can brush up on before I come. Where would I meet the girls at? Cafes, discos or ect.? Thanks

Easy Yo
09-06-07, 10:52
Just be carefull not get involved with a girl allready "engaged", you know how the mafia use to sort out the problems.

Waylander64
09-15-07, 09:29
Gentlemen, I need your help ;o)
I’ll be travelling to Brescia soon and although I can speak French and therefore understand some little Italian, my extensive search of the www has led me nowhere. This is why any assistance of yours will be highly appreciated.
Do you have any information about eastern European (Russian, etc.) girls working in the Brescia area? Any link, any website, any advice could be helpful. In most any country I’ve been to, there have been escort services run by / employed with Russians / EE’s and … what can I say: this is the type of woman who almost never provided me disappointment.
I thank you all for your help, hoping I can return the favour for other places.
Waylander

Bbois77
09-15-07, 10:08
Have a look......do report back on your experience though...promise????...:)

http://www.italiachiamami.com/prova1copybis.htm

Hizark21
10-23-07, 05:19
(http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SEID800&show_article=1 )

This article claims that the Mafia brings in $127 billion in Italy. Of this one of their revenue sources is prostitution. So my question is where is all the prostitutes if the mob is so big in Italy...?? I am not in favor of the mafia however. But this seems more like a PR campaign.

Master Yoda
11-06-07, 22:40
Hello Gentlemen,

I am now taking a break from mongering duties in Latin America and Asia.

I often have wondered about the prospects of non-pros in Italy especially southern italy. My best friend has been there many times and says it's very difficult if not impossible. He says you would need to be there long enough to understand the culture and speak the language before you could even get lucky.

Can anyone that has been there tell me more?

Thanks

Roman Guy
11-07-07, 09:51
Hello Gentlemen,
... non-pros in Italy especially southern italy. My best friend has been there many times and says it's very difficult if not impossible. He says you would need to be there long enough to understand the culture and speak the language before you could even get lucky.
...

Definitely I think your best friend is right:it is difficult but not unpossible.
You need indeed a long time to enter the culture, the uses and the Italian language because just a few are in touch with English or other foreign languages.
Cities like Napoli - if you like the South - offer good opportunities anyway and sometime unexpected experiences.
The success of the international prostitution in Italy - Nigerians,Albanians,Romanians,Ukrainians - should light suspects of difficulties in our country to anyone.
Do not forget that in tourist localities and cities - Firenze, Roma, Rimini, Siena - young men spend the time to pick up tourist women, neglecting completely their indigenous girls.
I have noticed a different behaviour of our girls and women when otherwhere than home.
Typical is the legend of girls from Sardinia when they reach the main land, very easy, always smiling, with a great attitude. Sweet Italian girls are the ones that you can meet in Holland or in London.
A hot spot to pick up Italian girls is the city of Bologna where one of the greatest University is: Italian girls from all over the country go there to study and live finally out of their family, affording expenses of life (houserent, light bill, books, phone, pc) and completely without any remote parental control. Similar situation in Perugia where it is well known about "parties" that students run and sometime finish in a tragical way as the one of last week end when an English girl died.
I hope I have not discouraged you: on the cotrary let us read about your succesful experience in Italy soon.

Master Yoda
11-07-07, 20:14
Thanks RomanGuy,

I think I will give it a try.

I want to stick to the south since apparently that is where you will find the most of the "mediterranean look" (like monica belucci). My biggest worry is bumping into Mafia or something.

I will be in italy for 6 months.

let me pm you so we can talk more.

Roman Guy
11-08-07, 10:15
Thanks RomanGuy,
I think I will give it a try.
I want to stick to the south since apparently that is where you will find the most of the "mediterranean look" (like monica belucci). My biggest worry is bumping into Mafia or something.
I will be in italy for 6 months.
let me pm you so we can talk more.

I have read your PM and will answer you in the afternoon.
Mafia will not disturb your operations, they are not interested of such cheap things. Just try not to pick a boss's wife!
Monica Bellucci is anyway not from the South but from Central Italy, Umbria.
Sophia Loren and Cucinotta are from the South.
Expect also blondies in the South because of Normann domination in the Middle Age (Fredrich II° and others).
A 6 months staying should be long enough to experience the country.
You will receive a PM later,sure.

Master Yoda
11-08-07, 12:43
Hi

thanks RG

Enigma84
11-21-07, 23:50
I am looking for a little advice. I will be having business trips all over Southern Italy. I will more then likely fly into Naples every time. I am looking for an Italian girlfriend. I like my girlfriends to be somewhat dark skinned. what makes you think southern Italians are dark/tanned skinned. Last I was in Puglia the women were pretty white to me. Even saw more blondes there compared to milan. Of course others may feel differently.

Master Yoda
11-30-07, 02:29
Italy is pretty mixed up. There are blondes, red heads, brunettes. Italians are white but I think the heat from sun in the south makes the skin tan which gives the men and women that sexy sultry look.

Obviously there are loads of dark skinned italians in the north too but I am not sure there are as many as in the South.

Also Southern italians seem friendly.

Illini333
12-06-07, 04:58
Is there a city or region in Italy that has a large population of Albanians? Im interested in finding an Albanian girl in Italy.

Figghiubeddu
12-06-07, 12:12
The region is "Liguria", especially in Genoa. But it is difficult to recognize them, because they are much similar to italians.

Skeetm
12-10-07, 17:01
Ciao Tutti,
I was wondering if anyone knew of any northern towns that had daytime SW??? I'm in Fruili, SS13 towards Udine has old women and SS13 near Conegliano come out at night. I wasn't sure if Padova or Bolonga maybe had a better scene. Thanks for the help.

Ryo Saeba
03-09-08, 04:51
To those who can read Italian I’d like to point out a great web site: GnoccaTravel.

(It’s not a forum, so I guess it doesn’t violate the posting guidelines; if it does, my apologies to Jackson)

Covering destinations all around the world, this pearl offers an overview of the P4P scene in the city or country reviewed.

In some cases I found it useful as a starting point to get a general idea of the destination chosen, before checking out the ISG posts.

It’s also mostly well written and often ironic, making for a fun reading.

http://xoomer.alice.it/gtravels/main.html

Eagleman1971
03-29-08, 23:51
Just a jump in to say hallo.

My first real day as "poster". Placed a rpesentation and first report in MIlano area. If it's moderated I hope shortly to see it online.

I am from Milano, so for infos about my city, just ask and I'll do my best.

I love expecially the non-professional enviroment (girls making some extra money). Difficult but with some good satisfactions.

Ciao!

Johnatan
05-23-08, 20:26
If you want to find the "real" mediterranean look you have to go in the center and in the south of Italy. In the North there are both mediterranean and nordic-european looking but it's because half of people living in the north (especially in big towns) have southern origins. The "real"(with northern italian origin) northern people have quite different ethnic origins from mediterranean and "latin" from other parts of italy. (In the past, many centuries ago, the north of italy was populated by celts, germanics tribes, illirian and others popolations from center and eastern europe. And that makes big differences inside this country). The tipical northern italian (also called Lombard, Venetian, Piedmontese, Emilian, etc) is quite different from "mediterranean" type. Even if today in the north there are both types (the mediterranean "imported" with southern italian immigration in the north). About MAFIA. It depends where you go. In differents southern regions mafia controls almost all the society, even if his presence it's not "evident" and there are not risks for tourists (you give money to these regions with your stay there.). In the centre and in the north there is not an infiltration in society (or only in few family groups immigrated from the south of italy, like in rest of europe or in usa) but others mafias (albanian, romanian, nigerian) mainly control the prostitution, and mafia organisations from south mainly control the drogue trafic. So no risk from mafia, not more than in american or others europeans town. But sometimes it's necessary to be carefull to "little" delinquence, mainly ghiven by recent immigrations from poor countries of eastern europe or northern africa. I hope you will enjoy your stay in italy.

Dune 975
07-31-08, 03:11
I'm not finding much in terms of general advice on call girls. I speak fluent Italian, and I've been to two, one in reply to a newspaper ad, the other from a Web site.

I've figured for myself certain things to watch for in ads: trans isn't what I want, signora implies a certain age, solo distinti implies a high price. I watch for descriptions that rule out being old and fat; if there's a small choice in the papers, could I ask "Puoi descriverti? Quanti anni hai? "

The Web girl quoted a price of €100, the newspaper girl wanted me to get there to talk about prices, but said on the phone that €100 would be in her range, and that's what worked out there. Is that a standard rate, or should I try to get it lower? I would expect that on the Web with pictures, they would charge more. The sites I'm reviewing for places where I'm going (smaller cities) are bakeca. It and clubincontro.com. Is it o. K. To call a day early to make a date, and look the address up online?

Gfechaser
08-08-08, 06:04
Guys,

I was wondering if you could give me some advice. I wanted to know if there are any female escorts available in the Fucino Italy area? I have looked through the forums but could not find anything concrete regarding setting up appointments in this area.

Glashuette
08-21-08, 10:42
it's difficult to find a girl within or center of rome, but if you have transportation, a short distance at the outskirts of the city there are loads. find via portuense going south/west out of the city towards corviale. once you reach the city limits watch out. honestly, there are african hookers every 300 meters on either side of the road. it's almost comical most are sitting in white plastic patio chairs, or standing waving their naked round fuckable asses to traffic. some of the girls are beautiful (about an 8) with incredibly hot bodies with lots of ass. now this will be an outdoor affair hidden in the bushes, so don't expect a room sometimes there will be a small camper. they seem to have either an old lounge chair or blanket in a hidden area.



from 10 pm road number 13 (via tregliano) between mestre and treviso are filled with working girls, especially around the small cities of mogliano and preganziol. at first girls pop up slowly, but around 11 the number an april night when still a little cold, runs to more than 30. peak time is from 11-12, from then the scene slowly fades out. no stunners, but some nice looking gals – from 3-8, mostly east european and african, but also some italian. street girls at night have a special attraction for some mongers; darkness covers for a lot, and some of the girls know how to dress to get the attention from the drivers. a car is a must, so stay sober. the police cruise the area for control and to get those speeding, but safety seems to be no problem.



if you go to the capital of sardinia (cagliari) there is an interesting street action at night. since romania and bulgaria became part of eu, you can find nice white prostitutes at the entrance of the city (viale elmas) from 9:00 pm to 2:00 am. it is better to rent a car because in other streets of the same area you can find black girls and trans too.



black girls are cheaper and ask 30 euros for a fast bj and standard screw, sometimes if you offer 50 you can lick nice black-pink pussies and if you are a good licker they have strong orgasm. to go to their room they ask 150 but you can negotiate in english too till 80-90 euros.



the white eastern-european hookers are a little bit more expensive and great in the car, start with a bj without condom and after you can fuck for 20 minutes (with condom) doggy style too; only, sometimes they are indifferent to your needs cause all they are under the control of their violent pimps and they need to make "fast cash". better to go to the hotels close to the railway central station (piazza matteotti).

Kingwenslas
09-04-08, 21:15
If you go to the capital of Sardinia (Cagliari) there is an interesting street action at night. Since Romania and Bulgaria became part of EU, you can find nice white prostitutes at the entrance of the city (Viale Elmas) from 9:00 pm to 2:00 am. It is better to rent a car because in other streets of the same area you can find black girls and trans too.

Black girls are cheaper and ask 30 euros for a fast BJ and standard screw, sometimes if you offer 50 you can lick nice black-pink pussies and if you are a good licker they have strong orgasm. To go to their room they ask 150 but you can negotiate in English too till 80-90 euros.

The white eastern-European hookers are a little bit more expensive and great in the car, start with a BJ without condom and after you can fuck for 20 minutes (with condom) doggy style too; only, sometimes they are indifferent to your needs cause all they are under the control of their violent pimps and they need to make "fast cash". Better to go to the hotels close to the railway central station (Piazza Matteotti).

Business will be taking me to Cagliari next month for a few days. I’m pretty experienced in northern and eastern Europe, but I don’t have a clue about Sardinia. I’ve just read a few posts and Italy does not seem to be a great mongering destination.

Could anyone give me some specific tips (brothels, street walkers etc).

Glashuette could you give some more information about Viale Elmas. Do the girls have rooms that they take you to, or is it essential to have a car? How much does a white girl cost, for how long and what can I reasonably expect to get? Could the police be a problem? Am I better off just going to Germany? Any information would be appreciated.

Kingwenslas

Juddo
09-21-08, 16:01
I know, silly question. Is Cialis available without the prescription in pharmacy's in Italy? Rome.

Thanks!

Roman Guy
09-21-08, 19:32
I know, silly question. Is Cialis available without the prescription in pharmacy's in Italy? Rome.

Thanks!
Not by law, but it is possible somewhere.
Just try and ask about personal experiences.

Fred Gold
01-06-09, 01:00
Hi,

I'm off to Italy for a short visit. I looked, but didn't find it in the forum = can anyone suggest a list of sex oriented words translated from English to Polish? THX and I promise to post a report after going there!!

Girl Box
03-30-09, 20:00
Who know the information in Torino?

I'm in Torino but the information about this city is too old.

Anybody has new one, please report here.

Thanks

Simone01
04-26-10, 01:43
(http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SEID800&show_article=1 )

This article claims that the Mafia brings in $127 billion in Italy. Of this one of their revenue sources is prostitution. So my question is where is all the prostitutes if the mob is so big in Italy...?? I am not in favor of the mafia however. But this seems more like a PR campaign.Everybody knows that the big italian mafia is compltly out of the prostitution business. In these business thare are the small albanian and eastern eyropean gangs and of course some chieneses and nigerian. But not Italians.

Ericklein
05-21-10, 14:05
I agree that Italy is not the best place for mongering, but if you spend some time searching, there are many opportunities. The girls listed in http://milano.bakekaincontri.com/donna-cerca-uomo-0 are not only for Milano area, but actually for all Italy. I was active in Venice area btw.
I contacted two girls of Rosa Rosa, but I didn't finally met one of them, since my schedule was very busy and I preferred to go for the apartment girls. The RosaRosa girls quoted prices between 300-500 Euros for 1 hour, while the apartment girls start already at 100 Euros.
The biggest problem with the apartment girls is that they don't speak English!!! I had to remember my basic Spanish knowledge to communicate with them. Most of them are South American, some Chinese and some of them from the East European Countries.
I called a few of them till I decided which one I will meet for the first "date". It was not the same girl as the picture (as I expected) but she was a very sexy Panaman girl. She quoted 100 for a "normal" service, 150 for extended but still one service and 300 for an hour!!! I went for the extended version, but it was still a bit rushed one. No BBBJ unfortunately.
Next night I called another one and she could speak English. It was already a good start. I drove to her apartment and I was surprised to find out that the pictures were hers and she was gorgeous!!!
She was an absolute 10, face, body and service. We had a very good time and the communication was also good between us. Unfortunately still no similar services with escort girls (Kissing and BBBJ), so next time I will go for an escort service.

Euroknight
09-29-10, 07:57
I am recently in contact with a girl who claims to be a student who part-time does some escort. I found her in one of these online sites, photos look stunning, but not unrealistic. However, I am a little suspicious. One of the details which seem strange to me is that the girl writes that she lives with the family in a given town, and pretends that we meet in a hotel of my choice in the same town...My experience from other places (Poland, for instance), is that girls never do in the same town where they live.

Is this instead normal in Italy?

Roman Guy
09-29-10, 19:40
I am recently in contact with a girl who claims to be a student who part-time does some escort. I found her in one of these online sites, photos look stunning, but not unrealistic. However, I am a little suspicious. One of the details which seem strange to me is that the girl writes that she lives with the family in a given town, and pretends that we meet in a hotel of my choice in the same town...My experience from other places (Poland, for instance), is that girls never do in the same town where they live.

Is this instead normal in Italy?
Why not?
Maybe the girl has no will to travel, no time and the city is big enough to get hidden.
Or maybe she is not from that city and pretends to be.
Anyway it is not strange that in a metrolpolis or big city a girl work and live at same time.

AColonizer
09-30-10, 03:45
They are not good deals, at all! For what? Swallow blowjobs and slurping facials? Anal fistings and pissing drinks? No, I am sure they weren't.

If you like just a quickie or a swallow blowjob, go to on Terraglio (between Treviso and Venice), hard negotiate (this is the rule in all over the world), and get them between 20 and 50 euros (cheap prices don't mean low quality, the worst cheats come with high prices).

If you like more action, ask for more to your favourite road girls, get their phone numbers and arrange a meeting at your or their flats.

More than 100 euros/first hour/pussy sex is a big cheat. I know more than one nice Slavic girl doing everything (everything) for that (maximum) rate or 300 euros/night.

Moreover, prices fall down when girls are Chinese and Nigerian.

I avoid South-American girls because they are usually big cheats.

Be aware of police's fines on roads, but that is worth the risk because you can save at least 100 euros for each fuck.


I agree that Italy is not the best place for mongering, but if you spend some time searching, there are many opportunities. The girls listed in http://milano. Bakekaincontri.com/donna-cerca-uomo-0 are not only for Milano area, but actually for all Italy. I was active in Venice area BTW.

I contacted two girls of Rosa Rosa, but I didn't finally met one of them, since my schedule was very busy and I preferred to go for the apartment girls. The RosaRosa girls quoted prices between 300-500 Euros for 1 hour, while the apartment girls start already at 100 Euros.

The biggest problem with the apartment girls is that they don't speak English! I had to remember my basic Spanish knowledge to communicate with them. Most of them are South American, some Chinese and some of them from the East European Countries.

I called a few of them till I decided which one I will meet for the first "date". It was not the same girl as the picture (as I expected) but she was a very sexy Panaman girl. She quoted 100 for a "normal" service, 150 for extended but still one service and 300 for an hour! I went for the extended version, but it was still a bit rushed one. No BBBJ unfortunately.

Next night I called another one and she could speak English. It was already a good start. I drove to her apartment and I was surprised to find out that the pictures were hers and she was gorgeous!

She was an absolute 10, face, body and service. We had a very good time and the communication was also good between us. Unfortunately still no similar services with escort girls (Kissing and BBBJ), so next time I will go for an escort service.

Tits_Lover
11-03-10, 10:00
Hi guys .... what is the law situation in Rome ? What if you are caught with a WSG in a car by the Police ? Is there a difference if they catch you doing it, with a girl in the car or if they see you are with your car simply near a girl ?
Any info ? thx

Arthur66
11-03-10, 11:55
Police in Rome, as well as in other cities, is doing raids.

Depending on the daily mood, you could get fined for simply standing by.

If they catch you with a girl in the car, and especially if you are pants down, you could get arrested for obscene acts, or detained for a number of hours at the police station. There is also an exposure in terms of being robbed, some girls operate together with friends, so when you get to the parking lot they show up and get your money.

In any case, not advised. Italy is a shit destination for mongering.

Your best bet is to look into a local newspaper for massages, but it is also very much hit and miss. Pricey, and quality could be from bad to worse.

If you can wait, I suggest you to do so.

Kind regards,

Arthur


Hi guys .... what is the law situation in Rome ? What if you are caught with a WSG in a car by the Police ? Is there a difference if they catch you doing it, with a girl in the car or if they see you are with your car simply near a girl ?
Any info ? thx

BionicMan
11-03-10, 15:09
Hi guys .... what is the law situation in Rome ? What if you are caught with a WSG in a car by the Police ? Is there a difference if they catch you doing it, with a girl in the car or if they see you are with your car simply near a girl ?
Any info ? thxNo country in the world will be much loose if you are being caught by doing it in a car!
Tell us if there is any (country)! lol
Local LE enforces the laws from time to time and often there are rules fighting the SW actions by fining (if not even inpounding or seizing a vehicle) if caught picking up a SW
But it all depends on how that day or night LE wants top enforce laws or not.... That is Italy, my dear (maybe same as everywhere for this kind of actions)

Fistmaster
12-22-10, 13:08
A good link for whole Italy.

http://www.escortforum.it/

Maxinlondon
09-03-11, 09:46
I found this interesting study about Street-Level Prostitution. Not sure in which forum post it so I decided to post it in several forums.

http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/Prostitution%205. Pdf.

Abstract.


Combining transaction-level data on street prostitutes with ethnographic observation and.

Official police force data, we analyze the economics of prostitution in Chicago.

Prostitution, because it is a market, is much more geographically concentrated than other.

Criminal activity. Street prostitutes earn roughly $25-$30 per hour, roughly four times.

Their hourly wage in other activities, but this higher wage represents relatively meager.

Compensation for the significant risk they bear. Prostitution activities are organized very.

Differently across neighborhoods. Where pimps are active, prostitutes appear to do.

Better, with pimps both providing protection and paying efficiency wages. Condoms are.

Used only one-fourth of the time and the price premium for unprotected sex is small. The.

Supply of prostitutes is relatively elastic, as evidenced by the supply response to a 4th of.

July demand shock. Although technically illegal, punishments are minimal for.

Prostitutes and johns. A prostitute is more likely to have sex with a police officer than to.

Get officially arrested by one. We estimate that there are 4, 400 street prostitutes active in.

Chicago in an average week.

Climaxnow
09-03-11, 20:11
I found this interesting study about Street-Level Prostitution. Not sure in which forum post it so I decided to post it in several forums.

http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/Prostitution

%205. Pdf.

Abstract.The USASexGuide would probably be a more appropriate forum.

Maxinlondon
09-11-11, 17:32
The USASexGuide would probably be a more appropriate forum.You must be right Climaxnow.

I didn't post it there because I use international sex guide only and I thought it could be of general interest also for others.

Wanking
09-13-11, 22:16
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x97nx7_video-of-the-day-trafficking-tribul_creation

Arthur66
09-13-11, 22:58
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x97nx7_video-of-the-day-trafficking-tribul_creationThe notion that girls in Italy are all slaves of a pimp is not accurate. When they are interviewed on a personal basis, they always report that in fact they came to Italy knowing exactly what kind of job they were going to do. There are often organisations behind them, which assist with money, accommodation and introduction on the scene, plus security.

However, the story that all girls are forced into prostitution after being promised a job as waitress or model is hardly confirmed. East european girls I interviewed both at home and in Italy (Rome) know very well the drill.

Black girls stories can be different. But if you meet a typical Romanian, Hungarian or Polish street hooker in Italy, you will most probably have to deal with a semi-pro, who works in Italy for a couple of months, and then go back home with a pile of cash. Consider that now East Europeans do need only a passport and a flight to be in Italy, a Visa is not necessary anymore.

I guess the main reason why they do not want to be interviewed is that they are scared that the video is trasmitted also at home. Mommy would get a heart attack if she knew what her beautiful daughter is actually doing.

I met very recently a Spanish / Brazilian lady in Rome. Same story. No pimps, a true pro.

I do not exclude that there are several cases where the girls are actually pimped. But I do not believe it is the majority of them.

BTW, if the journalist in the video really wants to help those girls, the best way is to give them a stack of money. That is what they want the most. But they will be back!

Climaxnow
09-14-11, 00:55
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x97nx7_video-of-the-day-trafficking-tribul_creationI do not have a lot of first hand info on the relationships of pimps to prostitutes, but I can say I have never seen or sensed forced prostitution.

As a matter of fact, of the relationships I was well aware of, there seemed to be a perfect balance of need between pimp and prostitute.

The prostitutes usually had poor language skills or business acumen that they were forced to find a man to help over come these personal

Impediments.

I am not very proud of this, but I have seen prostitutes that came to be real girl friends and I got pretty darn good sense of what they were about.

They were all 100 per cent willing. Two were Polish and one was Ukrainian and all three failed at baby sitting or taking care of an old person. Were there

Threats from the pimps? You bet! But the threats actually provided a structure which gave them a system to belong to. The pimps would tell these girls if.

You go to the cops, I will kill you. If you see any of my customers on the side, you will have to pay me $10, 000. Lots of yelling, lots of false threats. After a

While you begin realizing that pimps are playing a psycological game on the girls that actually makes the girl a better team player. Kinda like the philosophy.

Of treating slavic women like shit to get the best of them.

Anyway, maybe I am crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. How about you guys in Europe. Do you ever sense girls are forced against there will?

BMW2012
01-25-12, 21:02
Thanks the advice of the members of the forum. I went yesterday Via Volturno near termini around 8 PM. Noticed some girls hanging around. Talked to an italian lady (approx. 35 year) she asked for 100 for an hour but eventually we finalized at 70 and brought her to my place / hotel. She was really good in BJ and did every style, coe girl, reverse cow girl, doggy style. I realy enjoyed but beaware there is police around. Today I went there just for a visit with out any intention but was I along with some Greck guys were just stopped by police and asked for documents. Thanks God they were not there yesterday.

Max #01
04-16-12, 21:22
Hello,

I'm making my first trip to Italy later in the year and have been checking out the Italy forum here on ISG. Unless I'm missing something, Italy sounds like a virtual wasteland for mongering. This site posted in 2010 helped a lot, especially when using Google Chrome with automatic translation. I get the impression that outcall escorts are the primary source of recreation. I'm not into SWs in any country, so that's not an option. Just my personal preference. I'm also convinced there aren't any FKK-like establishments, either. I haven't seen any mention of and high-mileage strip clubs, Asian or other massage parlors, pick-up bars, swingers clubs, gang bangs, etc. I've been in other parts of Europe and have been absolutely spoiled (except for Norway).

Am I missing something, or, have I pretty much described the state of affairs in Italy?

BTW, I will be in Naples for most of my time in Italy.

Thanks in advance for any help and advice.


A good link for whole Italy.

http://www.escortforum.it/

Simspa
05-28-12, 23:26
Hi Max.

Did you get any help with your request? I am off to Bologna soon, and was looking for a lap dance bar, but they seem few and far between.

Simspa


Hello,

I'm making my first trip to Italy later in the year and have been checking out the Italy forum here on ISG. Unless I'm missing something, Italy sounds like a virtual wasteland for mongering. This site posted in 2010 helped a lot, especially when using Google Chrome with automatic translation. I get the impression that outcall escorts are the primary source of recreation. I'm not into SWs in any country, so that's not an option. Just my personal preference. I'm also convinced there aren't any FKK-like establishments, either. I haven't seen any mention of and high-mileage strip clubs, Asian or other massage parlors, pick-up bars, swingers clubs, gang bangs, etc. I've been in other parts of Europe and have been absolutely spoiled (except for Norway).

Am I missing something, or, have I pretty much described the state of affairs in Italy?

BTW, I will be in Naples for most of my time in Italy.

Thanks in advance for any help and advice.

BionicMan
05-29-12, 07:13
Hello,

I'm making my first trip to Italy later in the year and have been checking out the Italy forum here on ISG. Unless I'm missing something, Italy sounds like a virtual wasteland for mongering. This site posted in 2010 helped a lot, especially when using Google Chrome with automatic translation. I get the impression that outcall escorts are the primary source of recreation. I'm not into SWs in any country, so that's not an option. Just my personal preference. I'm also convinced there aren't any FKK-like establishments, either. I haven't seen any mention of and high-mileage strip clubs, Asian or other massage parlors, pick-up bars, swingers clubs, gang bangs, etc. I've been in other parts of Europe and have been absolutely spoiled (except for Norway). Am I missing something, or, have I pretty much described the state of affairs in Italy? BTW, I will be in Naples for most of my time in Italy. Thanks in advance for any help and advice.Prostitution is illegal in the sense it is prohibited to solicit, take advantage of it, pimps are pursued, customers can be pursued if caught having sex in public (even in a hidden place in the car)

Street walkers (of any kind) : as many as you wish, servicing in your car, in ST hotels / rooms, wide choice of nationalities available, mainly Eastern Europe and African.

FKK: not available.

Strip clubs / lap dance: yes, some here and there, especially in the North. North East of the country. Can be a rip off joint sometime (ie pulling money for not much services)

Asian massage parlours: expanding through the country, mainly PRC based stuff, low prices for western world, services available vary but at least HE is in the menu in most cases. They officially are "beauty and massage centers", so you might find some resistance at the beginning if you are not known. Easily identifiable by the shop windows with large decals showing massage action.

Pick up bars: not available.

Swinger clubs / BDSM joints: some available, covered by a "club" activity, some of these clubs do that only once a week (theme night). Word of mouth is the way to know about the details. There are italian website discussing the theme and acting as discussion / forum areas to make easy for people to know each other and eventually meet in real.

Don't PM for further details as meaning to give this overview only.

BionicMan
05-29-12, 07:15
I do not have a lot of first hand info on the relationships of pimps to prostitutes, but I can say I have never seen or sensed forced prostitution. Do you ever sense girls are forced against there will?It is wider than what you can see in the surface

AColonizer
05-29-12, 16:14
Hi Climaxnow, what are you doing in Italy, one of the worst country for sex?

About your report. Instead, I had some in-deep experiences with hardcore prostitutes and their pimps in Italy. The truth? 99% prostitutes want that. 99% prostitutes love their pimps and their work (instead to work in a factory in their own country) .99% prostitutes before they are just "workers", and after they become "businesswomen" of other girls and, because they want no-limit money, they go in the narcotic market. And believe me, all of the remaining words, that you hear by themselves, are just fairy tales for their own convenience. They like bad men only: a famous song says "because I like the way you harm me, because I like the way you lie to me"!


I do not have a lot of first hand info on the relationships of pimps to prostitutes, but I can say I have never seen or sensed forced prostitution.

As a matter of fact, of the relationships I was well aware of, there seemed to be a perfect balance of need between pimp and prostitute.

The prostitutes usually had poor language skills or business acumen that they were forced to find a man to help over come these personal

Impediments.

I am not very proud of this, but I have seen prostitutes that came to be real girl friends and I got pretty darn good sense of what they were about.

They were all 100 per cent willing. Two were Polish and one was Ukrainian and all three failed at baby sitting or taking care of an old person. Were there

Threats from the pimps? You bet! But the threats actually provided a structure which gave them a system to belong to. The pimps would tell these girls if.

You go to the cops, I will kill you. If you see any of my customers on the side, you will have to pay me $10, 000. Lots of yelling, lots of false threats. After a

While you begin realizing that pimps are playing a psycological game on the girls that actually makes the girl a better team player. Kinda like the philosophy.

Of treating slavic women like shit to get the best of them.

Anyway, maybe I am crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. How about you guys in Europe. Do you ever sense girls are forced against there will?

Climaxnow
05-29-12, 19:01
Hi Climaxnow, what are you doing in Italy, one of the worst country for sex?

About your report. Instead, I had some in-deep experiences with hardcore prostitutes and their pimps in Italy. The truth? 99% prostitutes want that. 99% prostitutes love their pimps and their work (instead to work in a factory in their own country).99% prostitutes before they are just "workers", and after they become "businesswomen" of other girls and, because they want no-limit money, they go in the narcotic market. And believe me, all of the remaining words, that you hear by themselves, are just fairy tales for their own convenience. They like bad men only: a famous song says "because I like the way you harm me, because I like the way you lie to me"!Hi Ac, I stopped in Italy to visit relatives before my first planned trip to Kiev in November but had to return to the US after a couple of weeks. Anyhow, Italy was a terrible terrible place for mongering. I tried a few girls in Rome and it was all bad. Worse than some of the robots out in London. If I was twenty five again, I think I could get laid by some of the Polish girls around Rome. As to Italian girls, if I was Brad Pit and twenty five, I do not think I could get laid.

AColonizer
07-01-12, 10:58
Polish girls or prostitutes? Which place or which street?


Hi Ac, I stopped in Italy to visit relatives before my first planned trip to Kiev in November but had to return to the US after a couple of weeks. Anyhow, Italy was a terrible terrible place for mongering. I tried a few girls in Rome and it was all bad. Worse than some of the robots out in London. If I was twenty five again, I think I could get laid by some of the Polish girls around Rome. As to Italian girls, if I was Brad Pit and twenty five, I do not think I could get laid.

Max #01
09-29-12, 01:33
Interestingly, while trying to figure out how (or if) I was going to monger next week in Naples, I ran across none other than a Backpage. Com site devoted to Italy in general and most of the major cities in particular. There seemed to be a reasonable choice of ladies of all ages, shapes, and sizes. (I also broke the code to figure out who were the trannies as well.)

I'd be interested to find out if anyone has ever hooked up with one of the Backpage girls in Italy?

Euroknight
12-15-12, 19:49
I read that recently there has been an increase in the number of housewives who decided to offer some sex services, due to the crisis, and that sometimes these ladies advertise themslevs on the Internet. Does anybody had recent experiences of this type? It looks as completely different from prostitution, because it is a free choice of the adults. I have to admit that I do not like pro's, they seem very artificial to me and I do not get very much excited at the idea of some sex-only based intercourse. I have not yet tried with a semi-pro, but it sounds more like "sponsoring" a person who offers you some of her time.

AColonizer
12-15-12, 22:14
You get a wrong understanding about everything in the world. Just read the fourth / fifth post below. Italy is an island in the middle of an ocean far from any civilized country and its people look like Rapa Nui culture. I like the anthropology and even the so-called "prostitution" is an important part of a culture. Before to start any relation with women, you should understand female behavior, and you should realize there are some females sell themselves for getting money, and there are some females sell themselves for getting children. This is the reason because most weddings in Italy are fake weddings with a fake relationship with a fake love, celebrated just for convenience: an Italian priest celebrates a religious and, above-all, a legal agreement that sets a long-term financing to the bride and her children. I am a honest man and in my opinion that is the worst kind of prostitution, where even children are a commodity exchange. Until thirty years old, the Catholic Church forced lifetime weddings with violent men, then everything looked like real love. Now, the historical truth is coming up, people are free from the cynical power of the Catholic Church, at last there are real families, open relationships, homosexual relationships, divorces and a life style called prostitution (for money). At last, humanity shows the truth about itself!


I read that recently there has been an increase in the number of housewives who decided to offer some sex services, due to the crisis, and that sometimes these ladies advertise themslevs on the Internet. Does anybody had recent experiences of this type? It looks as completely different from prostitution, because it is a free choice of the adults. I have to admit that I do not like pro's, they seem very artificial to me and I do not get very much excited at the idea of some sex-only based intercourse. I have not yet tried with a semi-pro, but it sounds more like "sponsoring" a person who offers you some of her time.

Euroknight
12-16-12, 08:57
Before posting my request of infos I had read the most recent posts (including your own AC.). I was born in Italy too, although since many years I live abroad. I agree of course with 95% of what you write, but you do not answer my question. We can also amiably discuss the socio-anthropology oif the working scene in Italy, but I am more interested into ladeis, to be honest. I have tried pro's, and now I would like to test something different, I. E. These "private" ladies. That's it: nothing more, nothing less. Is there any known website for this kind of activities?


You get a wrong understanding about everything in the world. Just read the fourth / fifth post below. Italy is an island in the middle of an ocean far from any civilized country and its people look like Rapa Nui culture. I like the anthropology and even the so-called "prostitution" is an important part of a culture. Before to start any relation with women, you should understand female behavior, and you should realize there are some females sell themselves for getting money, and there are some females sell themselves for getting children. This is the reason because most weddings in Italy are fake weddings with a fake relationship with a fake love, celebrated just for convenience: an Italian priest celebrates a religious and, above-all, a legal agreement that sets a long-term financing to the bride and her children. I am a honest man and in my opinion that is the worst kind of prostitution, where even children are a commodity exchange. Until thirty years old, the Catholic Church forced lifetime weddings with violent men, then everything looked like real love. Now, the historical truth is coming up, people are free from the cynical power of the Catholic Church, at last there are real families, open relationships, homosexual relationships, divorces and a life style called prostitution (for money). At last, humanity shows the truth about itself!

AColonizer
12-17-12, 00:38
I am a honest man and an experienced monger. I am really annoyed of P4P scene in Italy, from any point of view.

Before replying your enquiry, you should compare posts and P4P scene in Italy with posts and P4P scene in other countries. Therefore it comes some questions: Is sex in Italy worth one only euro? Can't you be without sex for one week? Can't you go to near Germany?

I am Italian and I am one of few Italian who is a genuine open-minded about sex and I feel disgusted by Italian women' ***** attitude and I wouldn't pay one only euro to Italian way of sex. Here men are not "latin lovers" anymore, but they are "pirla lovers". They are weak men. Also rich men pay stupid prices for their girlfriends, lovers, wives, prostitutes, instead they could get everybody for free, just for the smell of power. Meanwhile, Italian women have lost the femininity and even they don't know real sex anymore. In sex it is not important what a man do, but it is important what a woman do. And Italian women await passively that men do something in bed. No, thanks, I am a honest man and I want a honest woman!

Now the reply to your enquiry. I think it is not easy to find beautiful housewives to have P4P, because it is usual beautiful women get married wealthy men. Moreover you shouldn't expect something more than condomed sex. Everything at high prices. Otherwise there are MILFs. In Italy, women are teen until 30 years old, they are young between 31 and 49 years old, and they are MILF from 50 years old. Have you ever watched Italian TV news? That's crazy when they say "a young woman of 35 years old". I know a lot of men frequent swinger clubs, there is an entrance fee, it is easy to have be / g sex or group sex for free, but you don't expect young girls, it is just to download your own balls. Swinger clubs are advertised by word-of-mouth or by newspaper advertisements or by Internet advertisements.

I know P4P in Italy and I am keeping updated about that, although it is not easy because sex is still a religious taboo and a cultural tare. Everything about sex is something between legal and illegal. About prostitutes, I avoid newspaper advertisements, Internet advertisements and escort advertisements, because they are usually the reason of great dissatisfactions, great wastes, great troubles. Only weak men can pay high prices for easy sex, just for the fetishism of a beautiful girl, and, you know, each time a man has got full balls, then he always sees a beautiful girl, even if she is ugly. The best opportunities are on roads and word-of-mouth, and it needs time and experience but it is worth the work. Otherwise if a man doesn't find a woman to fuck at a reasonable price, then it is better he doesn't waste his money and doesn't fuck. Women teach money is much more important than men, and why shouldn't it be vice-versa too?


Before posting my request of infos I had read the most recent posts (including your own AC.). I was born in Italy too, although since many years I live abroad. I agree of course with 95% of what you write, but you do not answer my question. We can also amiably discuss the socio-anthropology oif the working scene in Italy, but I am more interested into ladeis, to be honest. I have tried pro's, and now I would like to test something different, I. E. These "private" ladies. That's it: nothing more, nothing less. Is there any known website for this kind of activities?

PunterWanderer
01-07-13, 13:37
I totally agree with AColonizer when he talks about P4P scene.

IMHO both Italy and France, with different reasons, are the worst countries in Europe for P4P (of course, except Scandinavia, you know why). I don't think in the world because there are also Saudi Arabia, Burma, Bangladesh and Iran.

Just think at all the brothels, FKK, stripclubs and so on at the borders of Italy in Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia! There are built for all the desperate Italians because of the desolation of P4P scene in Italy (and in some case also to extort them money).

The P4P 'panorama' in Italy is indeed generally expensive, full of so called FAKE (the false ads on websites) , persecutions for SW monger by the laws. I don't talk about the 90% of the Chinese massage parlours. So is the situation in Italy.

Not to go off topic, I won't talk about the P4P in France, because I will write on his own section of this forum, but the situation is more or less the same. Here, the new government decided a more aggressive politics against prostitution.

But, luckily for me, in France women have another mentality and another approach with sex than in Italy, where hundred years of Church, hypocrisy, a 'family values'-oriented society (of course only empty words) and so on, created the tipical 'Italian attitude' as regard as the sex.

NiCocco
01-26-13, 18:17
I put a repo few minutes ago. It's my 1st time use this forum. But I can't find my repo.

Could you dudes tell me what's wrong with my repo?

Thanks.

Nic.

PunterWanderer
02-06-13, 20:38
Hey Nicocco don't worry, all your posts will be moderated until you have written at least 25 report.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1314-Login-amp-Posting-Problems-Member-Discussions-amp-Advice&p=687295&viewfull=1#post687295

Euroknight
04-22-13, 12:43
I found on bakecaincontrii website a profile I am interested in. She asks however a lot of money (500 euros for 2 hours) , claiming she is a non-pro and wants to be selective. Until this moment we had only an exchange of emails. She uses fake photos (I easily found out) , and she wants me to reserve a room in a hotel and meet there. She leaves to me the choice of the hotel, and she adds that if at the meeting I do not like her, I have the freedom to leave.

Guys: what do you think? If I reserve this hotel room and then give her an appointment in tha hall, do I incur into some risks? I think that in Italy hotels have now become girl-friendly (?) , but I am not Italian and I do not see hookers in the halls in Italian hotels.

Any advice will be welcome. Thanks!

PunterWanderer
04-25-13, 22:00
I found on bakecaincontrii website a profile I am interested in. She asks however a lot of money (500 euros for 2 hours) , claiming she is a non-pro and wants to be selective. Until this moment we had only an exchange of emails. She uses fake photos (I easily found out) , and she wants me to reserve a room in a hotel and meet there. She leaves to me the choice of the hotel, and she adds that if at the meeting I do not like her, I have the freedom to leave.

Guys: what do you think? If I reserve this hotel room and then give her an appointment in tha hall, do I incur into some risks? I think that in Italy hotels have now become girl-friendly (?) , but I am not Italian and I do not see hookers in the halls in Italian hotels.

Any advice will be welcome. Thanks!Bakekaincontrii is the less reliable website in Italy: free ADS unverified and full, but really full, of fake profiles. 500 euros are a stream of money, and in principle I wouldn't go with a P4P who is selective and asks for my email address before. So, my humble suggestion is, generally speaking, to avoid bakekaincontrii and specifically this ADS. Then, you've already discovered that she uses fake photos, so nothing more to say.

My humble suggestion is to check this site of escort (you have to refine your search by selecting the city where you are) , who on average may require from 250 to 450.

http://www.escortforum.net/

Honestly I think that EF is the most reliable. The photo 100% verified have a little banner in the lower right, but more or less every escort has some reviews done by others mongers with rates, services and reports. Of course the reviews are written in italian. Many of these girls can also speak english, I guess.

I used EF sometimes, and I never been cheated. Photoshoped is largely used but I've never found a fake. Please don't assume that my statement is always true in any case! Fakes are possible everywhere, but as I said, the girls are reviewed. So check it out.

Cheapest loft girls ADS you may find here too:

http://ebakeca.com/

Same story of EF, the photo verified have written: 100% verified. Maybe this is more an incall service site, than an outcall one.

Member #4195
07-16-13, 12:23
Take a look at this site:

Sbucciami. Com. Here you can find the most beautiful escort in Italy: Rome, Milano Florence, Bologna, Naples and all Italy's cities.

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http://www.sbucciami.com

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Sxyman
07-25-13, 11:46
I totally agree with AColonizer when he talks about P4P scene.

IMHO both Italy and France, with different reasons, are the worst countries in Europe for P4P (of course, except Scandinavia, you know why). I don't think in the world because there are also Saudi Arabia, Burma, Bangladesh and Iran.

Just think at all the brothels, FKK, stripclubs and so on at the borders of Italy in Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia! There are built for all the desperate Italians because of the desolation of P4P scene in Italy (and in some case also to extort them money).

The P4P 'panorama' in Italy is indeed generally expensive, full of so called FAKE (the false ads on websites) , persecutions for SW monger by the laws. I don't talk about the 90% of the Chinese massage parlours. So is the situation in Italy.

Not to go off topic, I won't talk about the P4P in France, because I will write on his own section of this forum, but the situation is more or less the same. Here, the new government decided a more aggressive politics against prostitution.

But, luckily for me, in France women have another mentality and another approach with sex than in Italy, where hundred years of Church, hypocrisy, a 'family values'-oriented society (of course only empty words) and so on, created the tipical 'Italian attitude' as regard as the sex.Based upon these recent comments. Would an italian offering p4p outside of italy give a 'decent' price as found locally? Just wondering as I saw an ad by an italian woman and I'm thinking of calling to see!

Climaxnow
07-25-13, 13:19
Based upon these recent comments. Would an italian offering p4p outside of italy give a 'decent' price as found locally? Just wondering as I saw an ad by an italian woman and I'm thinking of calling to see!She's probably not Italian, just knows the language. Authentic Italian sex workers are rare.

Sxyman
07-25-13, 15:30
She's probably not Italian, just knows the language. Authentic Italian sex workers are rare.Sounds like it. I'm a bit wary, I'll probably ask on the malta board and not go for now.

BeachGuy8
07-31-13, 16:05
I am a honest man and an experienced monger. I am really annoyed of P4P scene in Italy, from any point of view.

I know P4P in Italy and I am keeping updated about that, although it is not easy because sex is still a religious taboo and a cultural tare. Everything about sex is something between legal and illegal. About prostitutes, I avoid newspaper advertisements, Internet advertisements and escort advertisements, because they are usually the reason of great dissatisfactions, great wastes, great troubles. Only weak men can pay high prices for easy sex, just for the fetishism of a beautiful girl, and, you know, each time a man has got full balls, then he always sees a beautiful girl, even if she is ugly. The best opportunities are on roads and word-of-mouth, and it needs time and experience but it is worth the work. Otherwise if a man doesn't find a woman to fuck at a reasonable price, then it is better he doesn't waste his money and doesn't fuck. Women teach money is much more important than men, and why shouldn't it be vice-versa too?As a lifelong traveler, Italy is one of my favorite places, but whether it's dining out, excursions, etc, you stand to get ripped off if you are not careful.

That same obstacle applies when it comes to procuring women here. Prepare to get ripped off if you use the same methods you may have used elsewhere. Agencies, web directories elsewhere that provide a reliable buffet of choices, are, imo, here in Italy just fronts to rip you off.

Word of mouth about a women or a small network of women is the only way to operate here.

Otherwise, take in the sights, enjoy the food (again. Careful to not get ripped off) and save the female delights for other places.

PunterWanderer
08-21-13, 20:32
Based upon these recent comments. Would an italian offering p4p outside of italy give a 'decent' price as found locally? Just wondering as I saw an ad by an italian woman and I'm thinking of calling to see!As far as I can remember, once I met an italian travelling girl in the FKK Sakura in Stuttgart. I'm talking more or less about one year ago.

I remember also a couple of ads here in Paris and in London of two escorts who pretended to be italian. I don't know if fake or not, because I didn't deepen the knowledge.

On balance, it's still better looking for something in Italy, if you search for an italian P4P.

Jon32
08-24-13, 18:37
Any info on what the dating scene is like in north Italy (Genoa area).

Once you have a gf do they like to fuck a lot? Or are they cold as ice.

I know some cultures push more in the media you have to fuck your man a lot, keep him happy, dress sexy etc ( certain countries in latin america )... some don't. Wondering where Italy is on this scale.

Climaxnow
08-24-13, 23:41
Any info on what the dating scene is like in north Italy (Genoa area).

Once you have a gf do they like to fuck a lot? Or are they cold as ice.

I know some cultures push more in the media you have to fuck your man a lot, keep him happy, dress sexy etc (certain countries in latin america ). Some don't. Wondering where Italy is on this scale.Italian girl fuck like any other until they get married and have kids. No expectation to fuck their man, only raise kids and be center of family.

Jon32
08-26-13, 17:47
Italian girl fuck like any other until they get married and have kids. No expectation to fuck their man, only raise kids and be center of family.Disappointing!

Jon32
09-04-13, 17:15
What is the local escort forum for italy (I. E. Internationalsexguide but in italian) ?

Jon32
09-04-13, 17:21
I'll answer my question:

http://escortforum.pw

Best one I've found so far, if anyone has any others please share.

PunterWanderer
09-23-13, 22:50
What is the local escort forum for italy (I. E. Internationalsexguide but in italian) ?
I'll answer my question:

http://escortforum.pw

Best one I've found so far, if anyone has any others please share.If you're searching for local forums focused on escort / loft girls / massage parlours / SW reviews in Italy check out Punterf**umItalia (I hope it's allowed to post the name of another forum, even because by no means this one is a "competitor" of InternationalSexGuide, being centered on reviews regarding Italy). I used to write there when I was in Italy. There is a section with the ads of the escorts and a section with forum, which is not visible unless you're signed as a member. IMHO much better than EF, which is a website interesting only for escort ads.

Manny51
10-05-13, 19:23
I'll answer my question:

http://escortforum.pw

Best one I've found so far, if anyone has any others please share.There seems to be a lot of good options on this website.

If so, why are so many people saying that Italy is a punting wasteland? Is it because they are too expensive? Give bad service? Are all the photos fakes? Do they rip you off?

PunterWanderer
10-06-13, 10:16
I take the crue from your question to say that Italy is not a puntering wasteland in an absolute sense. Of course is wrong to generalize the situation, which may change from city to city and from period to period. The point is that you need to know the places, the p4p, the locations: is quite important to loyalize and come back many times. So, is more a wasteland if you come from abroad looking for good p4p, especially if compared with some real Luna park for adults like Germany: you'the better to go and visit Italy than searching for p4p there. Proof of this are the tons of z-series and rip-off brothels and locals amassed on the border of Italy, in Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland. All these made specifically for Italian punters, desperate for the p4p scene in Italy.

For the SW scene, I can remember just some years ago a good situation for example in Terraglio Road near Venice, near Central Station or near Corso Buenos Aires in Milan. Well, I come back to Italy some time ago, and I noticed the Central Station area in Milan totally cleaned up from SW. That's probably due to the restrictive policies implemented by Berlusconi's (!) government some time ago, which provided penalties, reports to police and in some cases seizure of the vehicle. Moreover, the same local administrations provided more draconian laws against the punters. Of course, all these laws haven't solved the problem, but are useful to political propaganda and created an hypocritical climate of censorship.

For AMP, I've already written a report about them.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1468-Venice&p=1383392&viewfull=1#post1383392

They are authentically a rip-off: taking no notice of the beauty (or not) of the masseuse, they try to make you spend more and more moneys for a massage plus an HJ (even if somewhere is provided BBJ or also FS of course. But, as I said, you must know the places). They constantly ask for making you bath / shower, extra-gifts for touch them, 'romantic massage', etc. And so you can easily spend also 90 or more euro for a massage.

For loft girls, the situation change by the cities, but generally the panorama is dominated also here from Romanian girls, which often – without being racist at all – have a bad attitude with punters, the ads on websites are often fakes (the Chinese ads are in 90% fakes, except for some websites with a good policy, which I've already reported here on ISG), the services are overpriced. You have to pay before f**king, and this can change the "mood" of the intercourse, in the websites are often not specified the services (e. G. : BBJ, FK, anal, CIF, etc.) so there is a great subjectivity from girl to girl, and you can also spend, if unlucky. 100-150 for a BJ cover, and f**k in 2-3 positions. Since they receive usually in studios or something like that, could happen sometimes to meet also the pimp, and that isn't nice, I guess.

So, maybe I've generalized, but IMHO Italy is not an european country for mongering, as can be Germany, Netherlands, the same Spain, etc. Of course, you can have great satisfaction with some p4p there, and when I've been living there I used to have a dozen of good contacts with whom also now I'm in touch, and I go and see when I come back with great delight for me and them (they for the money, I guess). But, as I said and I repeat, you should know the places and the girls, and that's not easy, especially if you don't know how they work and the local forums where find infos (which are of course in Italian).

As for EscortForum, the ads-side of the website is quite good, but the girls are expensive (I'm talking about on average 250 or 300 euro per hour, an outlay that I personally couldn't afford every week) and not always the photos are reliable and verified. So pay attention to this.

Rus501
10-26-13, 05:55
Four days in Rome in October 2013. The price of the one day transport ticket is up to 6 euros now. It is still a good deal. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it also includes the train to Ostia di Lido. After the horrendous crowds in Rome, Ostia was a pleasure. Its more relaxed, less crowded and cheaper. Unfortunately no attractions for the p4p customer. I tried the Geisha massage studio but found a notice on the door from the carbiniari which closed that establishment in August 2013.

Jon32
12-10-13, 16:11
Anyone know the biggest dating site for non-pros in Italy? Can't find a decent one.

LookingForGirl
09-24-14, 14:51
Hello Gentlemen.

We have new girl which speaks fluent intalian so its good choice if you want take her to Italy.

She is also good for guide tour because she lived in Italy for few years.

Regards.

Wanking
01-30-15, 18:50
Lovely tits.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2929847/Councillors-dress-prostitutes-miniskirts-stockings-bid-shame-men-stop-pick-roadside-sex-workers-Italy.html?ito=social-facebook

FrancoStars
02-05-15, 22:07
Lovely Titten

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2929847/Councillors-dress-prostitutes-miniskirts-stockings-bid-shame-men-stop-pick-roadside-sex-workers-Italy.html?ito=social-facebookHorrible action! In Italy road prostitution is legal, but for a lot of years mayors are carrying out some local bill to ban it with a not legal way with the National laws, not to say that those city bills are abused rules, with the relative exceeding powers of relative mayors.

FrancoStars
02-05-15, 22:43
Lovely Titten

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2929847/Councillors-dress-prostitutes-miniskirts-stockings-bid-shame-men-stop-pick-roadside-sex-workers-Italy.html?ito=social-facebookHorrible action! In Italy road prostitution is legal, but for a lot of years mayors are carrying out some local bill to ban it with a not legal way with the National laws, not to say that those city bills are abused rules, with the relative exeeding powers of relative mayors.

Intransit
03-05-15, 08:28
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/02/27/drugs_and_prostitutes_in_italy_they_make_up_a_predictably_large_part_of.html

Last fall, the European Union gave new meaning to the phrase stimulus spending when it began requiring its member states to start incorporating illicit activities—including drug trafficking, prostitution, and illegal alcohol and cigarette sales—when calculating the size of their economies. The goal was to make it easier to compare stats like gross domestic product across borders. The Netherlands, for instance, already counted the cash generated by legal marijuana sales in its national accounts. Germany, where prostitution is legal, tallied up the money from sex work. So European officials decided other countries could claim credit for those sorts of activities, even if, technically, they weren't above board.

So, which country's GDP got the biggest jolt? Perhaps this shouldn't be shocking, given that its former prime minister was indicted for allegedly sleeping with an [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) prostitute, but the answer seems to be Italy. As the think tankers at Brussels-based Bruegel write, there's limited information out there about the ways the recent accounting changes affected different nations' statistics. However, this month the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development published a brief showing how much adding illicit activities in the mix changed GDP figures in 2010. Italy seemed to get the biggest boost, with its economy growing by a full percentage point. Spain was a close second, tacking on an extra nine-tenths of a point. These numbers aren't necessarily gospel, since sizing up a black market with precision is nearly impossible, but they are part of the official record.

How to put that growth in context? Well, the new rules didn't just involve sex and drugs. They also reclassified research and development spending in a way that increased GDP. Bruegel points out that Italy got only a slightly larger boost from the tweak to are&the expenditures than it did from adding in all of the mob's favorite industries into its figures. Not a sign of the healthiest economy, but certainly of an entertaining one.

Jerboa
06-29-15, 03:49
I've yet to visit Italy, but was thinking are there any organized sex parties, at sex clubs in any of the big cities?

SomeBilly123
07-09-16, 00:43
I lived in Italy for about 3 years and while there I dreamed of returning back to Japan. I didn't realize it at the moment but I absolutely positively miss the variety of women that I fucked while there. Now that I'm back in Japan I find it difficult to even get the opportunity to play (So always hovering) not to mention the language barrier. My favorite website while I was there was www.escortforumit.xxx I know the link looks weird but its legit. The women on the site are sometimes the ones in the pics but all that I've seen were still stunning. The best part about that site is you can filter to women to those who speak English, saved me so much time trying to arrange a visit. Anyway, now I can start dreaming of returning back to Italy.

Happy hunting fellas!

Billy

SteveInIta
08-03-16, 09:08
I lived in Italy for about 3 years and while there I dreamed of returning back to Japan. I didn't realize it at the moment but I absolutely positively miss the variety of women that I fucked while there. Now that I'm back in Japan I find it difficult to even get the opportunity to play (So always hovering) not to mention the language barrier. My favorite website while I was there was www.escortforumit.xxx I know the link looks weird but its legit. The women on the site are sometimes the ones in the pics but all that I've seen were still stunning. The best part about that site is you can filter to women to those who speak English, saved me so much time trying to arrange a visit. Anyway, now I can start dreaming of returning back to Italy.

Happy hunting fellas!

BillyThanks for this SomeBilly123! Going to try it and see if it works. Been living in IT for over 10 years now. Never really found a site that worked or people that responded. Hopefully I can report some current good findings on this site!

Zodar
09-03-16, 04:18
Thanks for this SomeBilly123! Going to try it and see if it works. Been living in IT for over 10 years now. Never really found a site that worked or people that responded. Hopefully I can report some current good findings on this site!Hi,

Were you able to meet any of the women on that website? I'm headed to Italy in a couple weeks and I'm interested in meeting some of the women on the site.

SteveInIta
09-16-16, 10:42
Hi,

Were you able to meet any of the women on that website? I'm headed to Italy in a couple weeks and I'm interested in meeting some of the women on the site.Hello Zodar,

Sorry for the late reply as I've been away from the forum a lot lately due to vacation and other things. I haven't had a chance to write a review of my finding but I hope to soon. To make a long story short for now, yes I did meet one from the site. Personally I would say as soon as you land here, start making calls. Even though a lot of these women show that they use messenger on the site, texts and whatsapp, many don't even bother to answer. It's like they aren't interested in making money. Its so much more work to monger here than what I'm used to in Prague. Anyway. Just start calling when you arrive. And depending where you're coming to in Italy, you may want to cross the border for mongering opportunities in Austria! Stay tuned for a review of my experience in the next few days hopefully!

ILikeCandy69
04-02-18, 12:15
Just a easy, quick, question; Does a Red Light on a Balcony signify prostitute?

Thanks in advance.

Roman Guy
04-05-18, 16:42
Just a easy, quick, question; Does a Red Light on a Balcony signify prostitute?

Thanks in advance.No, never heard, at least in my city, Roma.

I don't exclude it might be somewhere else but personally I have never seen till now.

ILikeCandy69
07-13-19, 10:38
You will have to use Google Chrome to translate these websites:

Has, of course, Escorts, and, most importantly, reviews.

www.escort-advisor.com

Has, of course, Escorts, and, most importantly, reviews.

www.escortforumit.xxx

Has escorts and strip bars. Has some reviews. Just not as many. And the site is not as easy to navigate.

www.gnoccatravels.com

MadKapa
11-04-19, 07:42
I've taken a look at the site https://www.escortforumit.xxx/.

The prices average around 160/30 minutes or 200/ hour.

That seems extremely expensive. Is this the normal price for hobbying in Italy?

(I know that in Germany or Netherlands you can have it for 50/30 minutes or 100/ hour but maybe it's more expensive generally in Bella Italia?


You will have to use Google Chrome to translate these websites:

Has, of course, Escorts, and, most importantly, reviews.

www.escort-advisor.com

Has, of course, Escorts, and, most importantly, reviews.

www.escortforumit.xxx

Has escorts and strip bars. Has some reviews. Just not as many. And the site is not as easy to navigate.

www.gnoccatravels.com

BaltiX
11-24-19, 22:21
I did some research on Italian sex scene, mainly Rome and Milan, and I noticed the lack of Italian girls advertising. It's dominated by girls from CEE and South America. Barely any Italians, at least in escort-advisor. Why?

MadKapa
11-25-19, 19:54
I did some research on Italian sex scene, mainly Rome and Milan, and I noticed the lack of Italian girls advertising. It's dominated by girls from CEE and South America. Barely any Italians, at least in escort-advisor. Why?I think that's easy. Girls come from countries that have a less fortunate economy to a richer country to make money. It's how it happens everywhere.

What I'm wondering is why it's so expensive in Italy (200 euros average for 30 minutes is even more expensive than in Switzerland!

BaltiX
11-26-19, 05:14
I think that's easy. Girls come from countries that have a less fortunate economy to a richer country to make money. It's how it happens everywhere.

What I'm wondering is why it's so expensive in Italy (200 euros average for 30 minutes is even more expensive than in Switzerland!Italy is a rich country, but the economy has been stagnating for years and has high youth unemployment. Maybe it's cultural? Or maybe they advertise on different websites?

Riina
11-26-19, 16:13
What I'm wondering is why it's so expensive in Italy (200 euros average for 30 minutes is even more expensive than in Switzerland!Prostitution is legal in Switzerland and not in Italy. Italians are not the kind to hook.

BaltiX
11-27-19, 03:50
Prostitution is legal in Switzerland and not in Italy. Italians are not the kind to hook.Prostitution is legal in Italy, but most activities related to it are illegal.

Roman Guy
11-29-19, 12:42
I did some research on Italian sex scene, mainly Rome and Milan, and I noticed the lack of Italian girls advertising. It's dominated by girls from CEE and South America. Barely any Italians, at least in escort-advisor. Why?Italian girls are few in the scenario but They are very hidden. They use media such as Badoo, Twoo and Tinder. The cost is high and can rise up to 200 Euro. Others operate through p2 p contacts.

MadKapa
12-28-19, 11:39
Hey guys,

Where would you say is the best city in Italy for this hobby? I'm thinking about making a trip there and it might come into consideration.

Thanks.

Roman Guy
01-01-20, 17:37
Hey guys,

Where would you say is the best city in Italy for this hobby? I'm thinking about making a trip there and it might come into consideration.

Thanks.It depends what is your target.

Firenze (Florence) is very good to pick up tourists and locals.

If your target are the SW try Castel Volturno near Napoli (read reports).

MadKapa
01-19-20, 21:00
It depends what is your target.

Firenze (Florence) is very good to pick up tourists and locals.

If your target are the SW try Castel Volturno near Napoli (read reports).Sorry, I should have clarified. Best choice for pay 2 play. In Amsterdam and Hamburg there are many places you can go and just find girls in windows. Is there some place like that in Italy?

PunterWanderer
01-30-20, 19:11
It depends what is your target.

Firenze (Florence) is very good to pick up tourists and locals.

If your target are the SW try Castel Volturno near Napoli (read reports).


Sorry, I should have clarified. Best choice for pay 2 play. In Amsterdam and Hamburg there are many places you can go and just find girls in windows. Is there some place like that in Italy?In my experience, Florence isn't bad at all for P4 P too. A lot of escorts and loft girls for a medium-sized city. Also, a relatively good variety of options, even though Chinese P4 P are taking over (that's also due to the proximity to Prato, which has one of the biggest Chinatowns in Europe).

Unfortunately, as far as I know nothing comparable to Amsterdam and Hamburg (there are different regulations between Italy, the Netherlands and Germany). But if you are in Venice or in the North-East, it may be worthwhile to travel to Austria, where you have two rather large FKK / brothels (Wellcum and Andiamo) just a few kilometers from the borders.