General Info

[Doctor_Skank]

This morning on CNN was a story about European countries may now follow the US and Japan and begin fingerprinting EVERYONE arriving from the US upon entry at their international airports.

Anybody heard that this is coming?

Reciprocating for US requirements is very common, as the new tourist visa fee of $131, effective January 2008, is explained in the Russian consulate website, that the fee increase is directly a response to the US increasing their visa fee to that amount.

Fucking gun-monkey and his stupid homeland security!
You said it, my multi-entry tripled in price. Thank God the Homeland is now safe!

[Super6stud9]

I found this great course to learn Russian, It even has sounds. Of course , it is free.

http://www.russianlessons.net/

[Doctor_Skank]

I found this great course to learn Russian, It even has sounds. Of course , it is free.

http://www.russianlessons.net/
Hey thanks! Great site...

[Prosal]

Doctor Skank finally discloses his success rates secret on youtube. The right cool attitude to be successful with Russian girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzkN8dHnjk

Thanks Doc to have put your tricks (especially the dancing skills needed) on a music video.

We all appreciate your public contribution, and definitely will learn from it.

;)

[Doctor_Skank]

Doctor Skank finally discloses his success rates secret on youtube. The right cool attitude to be successful with Russian girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzkN8dHnjk

Thanks Doc to have put your tricks (especially the dancing skills needed) on a music video.

We all appreciate your public contribution, and definitely will learn from it.

;)
Hey, where did you find a video of me? I thought that was all top secret... :)

Here's a special tip: Just in case I run out of girls, I keep one stored under the bed...

[Doctor P]

Hi everyone,

could somebody post update, what's status of buying e.g. Cialis from Aptekas in Msk? No prescriptions needed still? And price level?

Thanks in advance,

D P

[Big Bro AJ]

A group of friends will be in town at the end of April for a week to attend conventions. They ask the classic what to do, where to go Qs.


Weirdly in various occasions I sense that people think EE women = WGs, WGs= EE women. What confused minded thought is this?

[Romano V]

Today on BBC news a report on female big managers in Russia (Moscow) they pose nude all the russian stripers on a calender for customers. Just an idea than russian woman are the most beautiful girls on the planet and the summun of the beauty.

[Doctor_Skank]

Hi everyone,

could somebody post update, what's status of buying e.g. Cialis from Aptekas in Msk? No prescriptions needed still? And price level?

Thanks in advance,

D P
Not much has changed except the dollar exchange rate... still available everywhere in packs of 1, 2 and 4.... IIRC about 500 rubles/tab.

[Timmy21]

Vladamir has good taste, rumor has it that the Russian president divorced his wife, who's 50, and he plans to marry Russian gymnast Alina Kabaeva, who's 24. No doubt she's a hottie, and I'm sure very limber!

[Cruiser D]

I heard another rumour that Vladamir would prefer Yuri, and 24 would be much too old for him. ;)

[Doctor_Skank]

Vladamir has good taste, rumor has it that the Russian president divorced his wife, who's 50, and he plans to marry Russian gymnast Alina Kabaeva, who's 24. No doubt she's a hottie, and I'm sure very limber!
She's plain as the summer rain and has a monobrow. Vladimir chose poorly.

I am very happy to say I fuck much better looking girls than Vladimir Putin does. Fuck him and his money. )))

[Hecker]

Don't forget that Putin has very few money.He owns just a small apartment in Moscow center and one more in suburbs.

As far as political power is concerned this is another story.

No greed meant more power to destroy the silovniki.Less vulnerability.

Proble is he made everything more expensive for mongers.

[Doctor_Skank]

Don't forget that Putin has very few money.He owns just a small apartment in Moscow center and one more in suburbs.

He's a gazillionaire, everybody knows it.

And he didn't make everything more expensive for us, the SUV did... :)

In my opinion, Russia's other billionaire poster boy Romka chose much more wisely, his chick is a babe. Hope he isn't just settling for one though.

[Doctor_Skank]

A group of friends will be in town at the end of April for a week to attend conventions. They ask the classic what to do, where to go Qs.


Weirdly in various occasions I sense that people think EE women = WGs, WGs= EE women. What confused minded thought is this?
It's just a great misunderstanding Big Bro, a great misunderstanding. ))

[Prosal]

Need some help to woo russian girls and flirt them into submission. :)

In Brasil there's tons of ways to call nicely a girl, like "gostosa" (tasty one), "querida" (the one I want), "amorzinho" (my little love/my baby), "maravihosa", "carinhosa" (cuddle one), "gatinha" (sexy girl), "deliciosa", "bonita", ect. It's a turn on that I always plentifully use with brasileiras, pros or non-pros.

What are the sweet names one can use with a russian dyev ?


PS : Bez, thanks in advance, but I already tried "suka" and it didn't work that good. ;)

[Doctor_Skank]

Need some help to woo russian girls and flirt them into submission. :)

In Brasil there's tons of ways to call nicely a girl, like "gostosa" (tasty one), "querida" (the one I want), "amorzinho" (my little love/my baby), "maravihosa", "carinhosa" (cuddle one), "gatinha" (sexy girl), "deliciosa", "bonita", ect. It's a turn on that I always plentifully use with brasileiras, pros or non-pros.

What are the sweet names one can use with a russian dyev ?


PS : Bez, thanks in advance, but I already tried "suka" and It didn't work that good. ;)Some classics are:

milaya: cutie
dorogoya: precious/darling
kiska : kitten
laposhka: cutie
krasotka: beauty
krasavitsa: beauty
sladkaya: sweetie
devushka maya: girl of mine
lubimaya: beloved (be VERY careful with this one, Russian girls take any association with love very seriously and it could create some headaches if used casually)
malenkaya suchka: little b1tch (Believe it or not, if you are on good terms with the girl already you can use Bez talk with her. For example, if spoken in a playful tone or in a moment of passion, such terms as "malenkaya suchka"/little b1tch can be very well-received. If you use it at the wrong time however...ooops.)

I tend to use "milaya", "dorogaya" and "kiska" the most. You can use "maya" in front of (or behind actually) any of the above, it means "my"... i.e. maya milaya, maya kiska.

There are a ton more, Russian is one of the world's richest and most adaptable language. In fact I believe it is the single biggest factor in wooing women... assuming one is not an absolute troll and one holds enough coin to provide some simple entertainment.

[Hecker]

There is a TV show in Ukraine where guys on their knees compete who will tell the most appealing sweet words so one of them will win the heart of a girl who sits and approves or dissaproves the compliments.The guys come with newer and newer compliment stuff to impress the girl.
The standards everyday ones are

Zalataya, my gold
Daragaya,my precious
Kationok,my small cat
Neznaya,my tender

Myska, it means teddybear, usually women call boyfriends like that.

Serdusko, it means my heart
Solnicko, it means my sun

More hardcore
Maya rybka, it means my small fish
Muj solnetsni svet,it means my sunshine,
Maya karaliova,it means my Queen,
and so on.

For example you may write to her,
maya daragaya,ja oitsien,oitsien xatsiu tebia.Zalataya ty tak krassivaya i neznaya,vsegda xatsiu byt s taboj ty oitsien xarossaya i mila.
(my precious I want you very,very much.My gold I you are so beautiful and tender,I want always to be with you,you are so good and lovely).
Xatsiu tebia tselavat i obnimat.Tselavat na gubi i vlosy.(I want to kiss and hug you.Kiss your lips and hair).

It is normal.You do it because the girls talk to you all the time like this especially in messages.

In ukrainian you can use kochanie as well,which is the same as in polish.It means love,kocham cie=I love you.
For example kochanie,xatsiu s taboj vstretitsia.It means my love,I want to meet you.
In Poland a girl may say to you jestesz bardzo kochany,which means you are very lovely,so you tell an ukrainian girl,ty kochana or kocham tvaye glaza,I love your eyes etc.

For example in russian zalataya=gold,in czech the same is zlaticko.So in russian,zalataya,ty oitsien krassivaya i sladkaya(my gold,you are very beautiful and sweet) becomes in czech zlaticko,jsi moc krasna a sladka(means the same).Daragaya,ty sympatysna i xarossaya debushka becomes in polish moya droga,jestesz sympatyczna i dobra dziewczonka.(my precious you are very good looking and good girl).
It is the same in all slavic languages.

The Slavs like to call a thing small to show their symapthy.For example
Katerina becomes Katka,Alisia Eliska,Olena becomes Olenka,Yulia becomes Yulienka,Irina becomes Irinka,Irisha,Natasha becomes Natalie,Natashenka,Natushka,Nata etc.
In czech voda(water) becomes vodicko,more(sea) moricko,mesto(city) mestecko,holka(girl) holcicka,auto(car) auticko etc.They want to express their sympathy by that.
Never call a russian girl kochanie.She will be immediately suspicious that you have slept with ukrainian or polish girl(both are not considered very high class by them).

Also many girls names are in fact compliments.For example Mila means lovely,there is the name Dobromila as well.Can you imagine a girl in the West called NiceLovely?It is absolutely common in slavic countries.
So you have Mila,Milenka,Milusha,Miloslava,Milaska,Miluska,Radomila(it means HappyLovely),etc.
Or you have the name Zlata(golden),Zlatiska,Zlatuska etc

[Stravinsky]

Don't forget...

prelest ( прелесть ) which translates as "charming"

as in "ti takaya prelest" ( ты такая прелесть ) "you are such a charming (girl)"

how do Russians manage to say all that in 3 words? amazing...

also ocharovaniye ( очарование ) which also translates as charming but in the sense of fascinating or captivating

as in "ti takaya ocharovatelnaya dyevushka" ( ты такая очаровательная девушка ) "you are such a fascinating girl"

no women can resist the temptation that you really like them for their mind, even though they know otherwise :)

[Doctor_Skank]

as in "ti takaya prelest" ( ты такая прелесть ) "you are such a charming (girl)"

I tested it out and got a:
"хехехе откуда вы знаете русский?))))) аххаха"

At least she is happy... :) 19 year old virgin... my specialty... :)

"maya daragaya,ja oitsien,oitsien xatsiu tebia.Zalataya ty tak krassivaya i neznaya,vsegda xatsiu byt s taboj ty oitsien xarossaya i mila.
(my precious I want you very,very much.My gold I you are so beautiful and tender,I want always to be with you,you are so good and lovely)."
or
"Xatsiu tebia tselavat i obnimat.Tselavat na gubi i vlosy.(I want to kiss and hug you.Kiss your lips and hair)."


You've got some strange phonetics, but as long is the message is getting across.. :)

Some girls need to hear that stuff... others would laugh in your face for using such stereotypes.

Here's a more colloquial way to say it:
Дорогая, так хочу тебя..Мое золото, ты невероятно красивая и очень нежная, я хочу быть только с тобой, Ты очень хорошая и милая..
"Dorogaya, tak hochu tebya... moe zoloto, ti neveroyatno krasivaya i ochen nezhnaya, ya hochu bit tolko staboi, ti ochen horroshaya i milaya..."
Precious, how I want you! My gold, you are truly beautiful and very tender, I want to be only with you, you are very good and lovely.

Хочу целовать и обнимать тебя. Целую нежно твои губы и волосы
"Hochu tselovat i obnimat tebya. tselui nezhno tvoi gubi i volosi"
Want to kiss and embrace you. Kiss your lips and hair tenderly.

[Hecker]

It is important if the girl comes from Russia, from Ukraine or from Belarus, from big or small city and from the western or the eastern provinces.

Russian girls tend to more shit test you and want somewhat more sophisticated approach.

Generally I just tell girls back what they have told me before and adapt it to each girl personality. You have some common patterns and change some minor things according to audience to tune it into the frame. It is not very difficult. There is sense of audience needed or callibration of the girl, that is judging and foreseeing her reactions to common patterns and then reframe etc. It becomes robotic with time.

[Stravinsky]

Doc,

Yeah, the young ones love that stuff... (sigh)

[Assimil]

I used some of these sweet words...
:)
I received back
milii, kotik, and зая

anyone know what does it mean "зая"???



I tested it out and got a:
"хехехе откуда вы знаете русский?))))) аххаха"

At least she is happy... :) 19 year old virgin... my specialty... :)

You've got some strange phonetics, but as long is the message is getting across.. :)

Some girls need to hear that stuff... others would laugh in your face for using such stereotypes.

Here's a more colloquial way to say it:
Дорогая, так хочу тебя..Мое золото, ты невероятно красивая и очень нежная, я хочу быть только с тобой, Ты очень хорошая и милая..
"Dorogaya, tak hochu tebya... moe zoloto, ti neveroyatno krasivaya i ochen nezhnaya, ya hochu bit tolko staboi, ti ochen horroshaya i milaya..."
Precious, how I want you! My gold, you are truly beautiful and very tender, I want to be only with you, you are very good and lovely.

Хочу целовать и обнимать тебя. Целую нежно твои губы и волосы
"Hochu tselovat i obnimat tebya. tselui nezhno tvoi gubi i volosi"
Want to kiss and embrace you. Kiss your lips and hair tenderly.

[Doctor_Skank]

I used some of these sweet words...
:)
I received back
milii, kotik, and зая

anyone know what does it mean "зая"???
Not sure about zaya, although one term of endearment is "zaika" which means "rabbit" or "hare".

[Sean EZ]

I used some of these sweet words...
:)
I received back
milii, kotik, and зая

anyone know what does it mean "зая"???

Зая or Зайка same shit, although Зая is used more frequently. Girls often call their boys furry animal names.

[Doctor_Skank]

Зая or Зайка same shit, although Зая is used more frequently. Girls often call their boys furry animal names.
I get called Зайка more often... but there are about a billion names in Russian, its just about the most flexible language I can think of in terms of modifying terms. Solnishko is also very popular.

[Bez Bezarra]

Need to woo russian girls and flirt them into submission.

Bez thanks, but I already tried suka and it didn't work.



They seem to always call me big american bear.

As far as cursing them, try Kitayanka Huesoska.
That's a bit more sophistikatered, and then Git 'er Done!

[Romano V]

Russia is full of prostitutes everywhere, don't try the biggest cities just go to the smallest and ask to a taxi driver "prostitutki"

[Assimil]

I got other 2 sweet words unevalable on dictionary:

Tiomiki = big kiss

Zoicenok, I think it means "Little zaika"


I get called Зайка more often... but there are about a billion names in Russian, its just about the most flexible language I can think of in terms of modifying terms. Solnishko is also very popular.

[Bez Bezarra]

russia prostitutes everywhere

the biggest cities

the smallest

and a taxi driver prostitutki



another gem of wisdom from his holiness, our favorite necrophiliac adrenal gland chewing vatican monger, pope romano the v.

anyway, for something completely different, what's the easiest, or quickest, or cheapest way to get from domodedovo to sheretyetmenko. it appears the mother fucking arabs have fucked us on the fucking price of fucking jet fuel, and i will not agree to get raped for $2000 mother fucking two grand just to bypass the big shitty city, on my next quest to return to candyland and the loving arms of miss saratov 2008.

in other words, for half price i can finally say bez does moskva, but only long enough, i hope, to change airports.

[Bez Bezarra]

Please, why won't anyone answer?

I need to know the easiest, and the quickest, and the cheapest way to get from Domodedovo(DME) airport to Sheremetyevo(SVO) airports.

[Piper1]

Google "Domodedovo to Sheremetyevo" (in quotes) and all will be revealed, including trains, buses and private gypsy taxis.

[Doctor_Skank]

Please, why won't anyone answer?

I need to know the easiest, and the quickest, and the cheapest way to get from Domodedovo(DME) airport to Sheremetyevo(SVO) airports.A taxi is the easiest and probably the quickest, but expect to pay about 1500-2000 rubles for the privelage. DME and SVO are on opposite ends of Moscow, a taxi ride (assuming there is no traffic jam) will be an hour at least.

If you have time and don't have much luggage, the cheapest way would be to take the Airport Express into town. The train leaves every 30 minutes (sometimes every hour) and takes 40 minutes to Paveletsky Voksal train station. It's quite comfortable and only costs 150 rubles. Remember to keep your ticket stub, which is a minscule piece of paper with a barcode on it. Not only will you have to show the lady checking tickets, you need the ticket with barcode to exit the platform once you arrive at Pavaletsky Voksal.

Paveletsky is in the middle of the city, so you'll still have to get to SVO. You can either take a taxi from here... which will be ablout 1200 rubles... or take the metro (green line) to Rechnoy Voksal. Exiting at Rechnoy Voksal you can get a taxi (about 500 rubles) or marshrutka (about 30 rubles) to SVO1 or SVO2.

Edit: Just googled on Piper's post:
"Sheremetyevo - Domodedovo Airports. In 2005 Domodedovo airport launched the new 24-hour bus service between Domodedovo and Sheremetyevo (terminal 1 & 2) airports. The journey takes about 2 hours (depending on traffic) and one ticket costs 200R ($8), children under 7 travel for free. The tickets can be purchased at Domodedovo airport (domestic Arrival hall) or from the bus driver."

Never seen or heard of it, but that would be the cheapest and easiest. A taxi would be faster, but cost considerably more.

[Bez Bezarra]

Shit, now I think I don't even need to leave Domo.

I can fly straight into Domo from Zurich on Swiss Air, then just change terminals, instead of fucking airports.

All right, now I need info on S7.

What can you guys tell me, please.

Coming back I'll have a 7 hour layover. Not much point going to a hotel by Domo for 5 or 6 hours of sleep, is there? Probably would need to check bags in and get a boarding pass around 5AM for a 7AM take-off to Zurich.

[Doctor_Skank]

Shit, now I think I don't even need to leave Domo.

I can fly straight into Domo from Zurich on Swiss Air, then just change terminals, instead of fucking airports.

All right, now I need info on S7.

What can you guys tell me, please.

Coming back I'll have a 7 hour layover. Not much point going to a hotel by Domo for 5 or 6 hours of sleep, is there? Probably would need to check bags in and get a boarding pass around 5AM for a 7AM take-off to Zurich.There aren't separate terminals at DME, it's just one big complex but modern and easy to navigate. There is a hotel in the area, but I am not sure it would be worth your time (and money) to check into. Maybe you can get into one of the business lounges? They have showers.

S7 is great, I fly them all the time. Modern aircraft, usually Boeing and Airbus. They still have a few Tupolevs in service, but you usually won't have to go through that torture.

Super cheap, you can book online and get e-tickets.

www.s7.ru

Curiously enough, many Russians are afraid to fly S7, as before it's rebranding it was called SibAir or Siberia Air and they crashed a plane or two. Ooops. I'd rather fly them than Aeroflot, Air Union or Pulkvo though.

[Bez Bezarra]

Yeah S7 looks really good.

So my plane from Zurich arrives at 8 o'clock.

I'll have to clear customs and get my suitcase.

The S7 flight leaves at 10 o'clock. It seems like that's cutting it close, because the immigration lines are slow, right? I mean, its not as bad as Borispol, where you can stand there waiting in line for over an hour, is it?

So is it enough time, 2 hours, to make the connection?

Next question, to book on line with S7, do they take Visa credit cards?

Last question, when I apply for my tourist visa, I still need to list only my final destination, and not Moscow, even though I'm landing there and going through immigration in Moscow, right?

[Doctor_Skank]

Yeah S7 looks really good.

So my plane from Zurich arrives at 8 o'clock.

I'll have to clear customs and get my suitcase.

The S7 flight leaves at 10 o'clock. It seems like that's cutting it close, because the immigration lines are slow, right? I mean, its not as bad as Borispol, where you can stand there waiting in line for over an hour, is it?

So is it enough time, 2 hours, to make the connection?

Next question, to book on line with S7, do they take Visa credit cards?

Last question, when I apply for my tourist visa, I still need to list only my final destination, and not Moscow, even though I'm landing there and going through immigration in Moscow, right?If the S7 plane leaves at 10, you have to register (check-in) 40 minutes before takeoff, meaning 0920. They are strict on that and boarding starts about 30 minutes before takeoff, so you'll have to hurry there too. That's cutting it pretty close. Immigration and baggage claim go fairly quickly at DME (About 15 minutes immigration and another 10 for baggage), but if there are any delays you may miss the flight. The largest delays are at security control... but you'll be checked in by then anyway. If you are late for your flight, just cut in front of everybody. That's (unfortunately) the way things are done there.

S7 takes Visa. The love Visa.

Not sure on the tourist visa thing, but would suspect they only need the final destination... but does it cost more to enter Moscow on the list? If not, why not just add Moscow?

[AColonizer]

Hi,

I would like to receive some updated replies about these important questions:

- Hotel vs. Flat: is actually a dangerous choice to rent a flat in Moscow? I mean, for example, in Kiev it is cheap and safe. What is the real difference of a flat rent between Moscow and Kiev?

- Quality of sex: on "moslove" site, I found a lot of girls agreeing deep throat blowjobs and anal sex, I wonder: are they more liar than Ukrainian girls or is that the reality?

[Chill Bill]

Hi all ... I'm emailing a fairly horny girl I met on the Internet -- good for me! ;)
However, I do not know much Russian and the Internet translators are good for most words. The sexual ones I'd like to use, I'm not getting any help with these tools. So, if there's a Russian speaker in the house, please help me with the Cyrillic translations for the following:

fuck
tits
ass
cock
pussy

and lastly,

I can't wait to fuck you!

Thanks in advance for your help!

[Pizdyets]

Hi all ... I'm emailing a fairly horny girl I met on the Internet -- good for me! ;)
However, I do not know much Russian and the Internet translators are good for most words. The sexual ones I'd like to use, I'm not getting any help with these tools. So, if there's a Russian speaker in the house, please help me with the Cyrillic translations for the following:

fuck
tits
ass
cock
pussy

and lastly,

I can't wait to fuck you!

Thanks in advance for your help!

Wouldn't it be easier if you just gave me her contact info and what you wanted to tell her? I won't even charge you anything. :P

[Chill Bill]

Wouldn't it be easier if you just gave me her contact info and what you wanted to tell her? I won't even charge you anything. :P

Haha! Good one! :)

[Gentleman Travel]

Guys, I know this is out of the geographical boundaries of this group, but I want some advice on finding happiness in Geneva, and the Swiss forums seem dedicated exclusively to paying for over-priced pussy. I am hoping that some of the guys here travel also to Geneva and have found acceptable solutions. The only other time I was in Switzerland (Zurich) I visited some depressing strip clubs then gave up in dismay.

Usually I try to find a Russian ex-patriot in any city I travel to, a strategy that has met with middling success (but better than trying to get laid by local girls). I had a prospect on the line in Geneva, but she has now found another boyfriend and I have to start from scratch again, and there are very few viable prospects on the dating sites.

So far my strategy is to do a major layover in Frankfurt, spend a day in an FKK (a new experience for me) then head onto the romantic wasteland of Geneva sexually exhausted. I have a platonic date there with a charming and beautiful woman, but she is a colleague, and Swiss-British, and knows I am married, so my chances of scoring with her are close to zero.

Any other suggestions to make this trip more joyful?

[Stravinsky]

There is an old joke which compares different European characters. The long and short of it is this:

In Heaven, the lovers are Italian and everything is organized by the Swiss.

In Hell, the lovers are Swiss and everything is organized by the Italians.

I imagine there is a fair amount of truth in this. You might try love.mail.ru, do a search for Switzerland/Geneve. There is at least 1 dyev there offering "intime za dyengi".

http://love.mail.ru/bony700/

[AColonizer]

How can an European citizen open a bank account in Moscow?

Which requirements, documents, paperworks?

Thanks

[Pizdyets]

How can an European citizen open a bank account in Moscow?

Which requirements, documents, paperworks?

Thanks

It's not hard, but like everything in Russia, you'll need to be patient. Go to the bank and they will give you the forms. You'll most likely need your passport, migration card, registration, prior banking history (usually 6 months of statements), and proof of employment. And money for the intial deposit.

[Bez Bezarra]

So the story goes that "technical failure" was the reason that a Boeing 737 crashed in cloudy weather around 3 AM in a deserted residential area of Perm killing all aboard. The flight departed Moscow Sheremetyevo, and was trying to get to the airport in Perm when it went down.

I made that same approach, at the same time, 3 a.m., in April 2006, but with an uneventful landing at the Perm airport. It was pretty foggy, so we needed to use IFR to line up the airport runway lights, but the approach was very low, under the rain clouds, across the city. The pilot knew what he was doing, thank god.

But the reason we landed in Perm, was because our original destination was not possible to land at 3 a.m., because there were NO runway lights working, because the electricity generator for the airport DIDN'T WORK! So we had to wait until around 5:30 a.m. when it was light enough in the morning to find the airport runway without lights. I felt lucky that I made it there in one piece.

According to today's news story, this was the second Russian Boeing plane that crashed in a month. In August, another one crashed killing around 50 passengers shortly after takeoff on a flight from Kyrgyzstan to Iran. Probably not many mongers on that flight, so...

[Eros74]

So I would like to know, how much safe is to fly with aereoflot ? If it is safe at all....

And with s7 ?

[Passepartout]

I think that Aeroflot for international flights is OK... For flight in Russia, better to avoid as much as you can...

The best friend of my sister died last month in the Madrid crash...

I personally have decided to take only airflights companies that got a good reputation, whatever the price is.

[Eros74]

I think that Aeroflot for international flights is OK... For flight in Russia, better to avoid as much as you can...

The best friend of my sister died last month in the Madrid crash...

I personally have decided to take only airflights companies that got a good reputation, whatever the price is.

Thanks Passepartout and sorry for your lost in Madrid crash....

I think I will choose Aereoflot to get into Russia and then I will choose s7 or there is another good company to flight inside Russia that allows to book by net and that has also english web page too as s7 ?

[Strike 69]

If I had to compare Latinas and Slavics, I must say that during 12 years roaming throughout Brasil, I've rarely got an awesome blowjob from a brasilian non-pro (I've had more than my share of non-pro brasilian ass, and IMO the myth of the sexualy skilled brasilian girl is highly over-rated) but the few experiences I've had with moldovian, romanian and russian regular girls were all perfect. All were freaks in bed and sucked like goddesses. I even think that they must have some special genes to give so perfect blowjobs.

Last week i've had a nice experience with a russian girl i met on luckylovers.net, which is REALLY a goldmine. She was on vacations in Southern Spain and decided to surprise me by spending her last two days in Paris. Thursday night, as I was home taking care of my own business in front of a few Fosters and expecting nothing from the night, I received a sms saying < Meet you in front of Virgin store on Champs Elysées at 10.30 pm. A. >. Wow.

During three weeks in December, on luckylovers, I've already flirted her into submission, with also lot of phone calls and naughty sms, but I must say that when I saw "in flesh" this classy 25 yo beautiful tall and thin blonde, with a perfect face, amazing grey/blue eyes, diamonds eardrops, dressed with long black high-heels boots, elegant coat, ect, the first minutes were a bit difficult as you actually need lot of self-esteem to find the courage to flirt a girl of that stunning level of beauty and sophistication. Happily my stays in Moldova and Romania, my experience with my ex-russian GF and above all the tips from the specialists here learned me how things go with Slavic girls, and the level of self-confidence they expect from a guy.

I took her to my fav cocktails bar, where I was quite sure that she will be quickly drunk, and hopefully, hot. For a russian girl 'quickly drunk' is very relative, as she needed four vodka/champagne/litchee cocktails to begin to be a bit high (I had myself enought time to drop five vodka/khalua 'Black Russians'), but anyway it didn't take long before we began to passionally kiss. I must say that after two hour flirting, when she took my cock out my jeans (!!!!) and began to give me a slow HJ, staring me with her naughty and beautiful blue eyes, I began to loose control of myself as I find this kind of flirt highly exciting in a crowded public place. I didn't care no more about the world around, and I began to eat her tits (she weared a small black top which showed a perfect bare stomach and half of her boobs) and to finger her already very wet shaved pussy, before realise that half of the people in the bar were looking at us. So we chilled down, stopped the show, finished quietely our drinks and left. lol

I pushed her in a taxi to go to my apartment, undressed her half nude during the ride, and as soon as we arrived, it didn't take long before she took all her clothes off EXCEPT her high-heels black boots and fine black stockings. It was around 2am and we didn't close one eye before 10.30 am. IMO no other experience in the world can be compared with sex with a hot russian girl. The way she sucked, the way she loved sex a bit rough and dirty, the way she wanted to be dominated, the way she loved it from behind, deep anal included, the way she mumbled dirty things in russian, her naughty fantasies, her fine lingerie, it really blew my mind.

We spent the next 24 hours together overdrinking and doing the nasty in every place we could, and she left for Saint Petersburg saturday. I took some pics but can't post them here, as she is just a regular girl looking for fun, who has a public and accessible profile on luckylovers.

God I love russian women. They are wild. They are hot. They are all feminity and fun. They drink like cossaks and are freaks in bed.

I remember a sentence from Big Bro AJ here on the ISG : "Slavic girls are an addiction you never cure yourself off, nor you ever want to cure yourself off". How true !!


Just for the information Romanians and Moldovans are supposed to be Latin Europeans, even though they have a high Slavic influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Europe

[Jake993]

So I would like to know, how much safe is to fly with aereoflot ? If it is safe at all....

And with s7 ?
I flew S7 to Ashgabat, Turkmenistan the other day from Moscow and I must say I was impressed. The equipment appeared to be in very good repair compared with SkyExpress and even Aeroflot. The staff was relatively young and enthusiastic yet experienced enough to know what they were doing. What impressed me most was that darned near every crew member spoke quite good English.

I would not hesitate to recommend S7 and will most definitely use them again.

[Doctor_Skank]

I flew S7 to Ashgabat, Turkmenistan the other day from Moscow and I must say I was impressed. The equipment appeared to be in very good repair compared with SkyExpress and even Aeroflot. The staff was relatively young and enthusiastic yet experienced enough to know what they were doing. What impressed me most was that darned near every crew member spoke quite good English.

I would not hesitate to recommend S7 and will most definitely use them again.S7: Yes
Aeroflot: Only if you have to.
SkyExpress: Feeling lucky and don't mind waiting at the airport when your flight is delayed again and again?
Pulkovo: Nostalgia airlines, complete with an interior that smells of sweat and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).
Air Union: No way.

Interestingly enough many Russians seem to avoid S7, which was formerly Sibir or Siberia Air before they rebranded and painted the planes apple green. Apparently Siberia Air was an unlucky crasher and the reputation has stuck. Their crashes were all non-technical however.

The Ukrainian navy accidentely shot an airliner from Sibir down in 2001, Chechen terrorists blew one up after bribing ground personnel to avoid security checks in 2004 and a pilot slid off the runway in Irkutsk in 2006 killing 126 people.

Personally I fly them a lot, their website (www.s7.ru) also has an English version, their flight network is large and in my opinion they are the best Russian airline.

[Jake993]

Interestingly enough many Russians seem to avoid S7, which was formerly Sibir or Siberia Air before they rebranded and painted the planes apple green. Apparently Siberia Air was an unlucky crasher and the reputation has stuck. Their crashes were all non-technical however.

The Ukrainian navy accidentely shot an airliner from Sibir down in 2001, Chechen terrorists blew one up after bribing ground personnel to avoid security checks in 2004 and a pilot slid off the runway in Irkutsk in 2006 killing 126 people.
Man, you could have told me that before I booked the flight on YOUR recommendation. Ha, ha, ha......

I forgot to mention Utair. I flew them to Ufa and back last April and it was not bad. Not nearly as good as S7 but not bad. I read something while Russia last week that by the end of this year, S7 will have taken all Soviet era planes out of service and will be exclusively running Boeing 737 and 767. Which is a bit strange considering that I think they may have a smattering of Airbus too.

I was going to fly S7 down to Kiev too, but my buddy Ildar booked the flights on AeroSvit, which was not TOO bad. The most redeeming quality was the drinks cart that was loaded down with Garilka.

[Eros74]

Man, you could have told me that before I booked the flight on YOUR recommendation. Ha, ha, ha......


Hey Jake you are not the only one who will fly with s7 on Doc recommentation here in the forum LOL :)

If I will write a report here, it means everything was fine...enough ;)

[Pizdyets]

Hey Jake you are not the only one who will fly with s7 on Doc recommentation here in the forum LOL :)

If I will write a report here, it means everything was fine...enough ;)

They do have a great website. Very "Western". They appear to be the Southwest Airlines of the FSU.

[Eros74]

They do have a great website. Very "Western". They appear to be the Southwest Airlines of the FSU.

Yeah, ty pravda Pizdyets, very easy to book a flight with e-ticket and good rates too, we will see...

[Doctor_Skank]

Yeah, ty pravda Pizdyets, very easy to book a flight with e-ticket and good rates too, we will see...Also an important factor, you can book e-tickets for both you and other people. So if you want to fly a girl in, you can book for her and send her the ticket by email. No money sent. No tickets to be issued. Really is a good airline IMO. Reliable too.

[Tits_Lover]

HI

is there a simple and cheap way to access internet from an apartment in SPB ? Something using a slow modem connection via landline or maybe some cheap GPRS SIM card ? Any advice or experience about it ?

THX
TL

[AColonizer]

What what? Police in Russian airports verify each luggage by X-Ray and make perquisitions of each luggage of foreign people?

[Eros74]

The same they did in 2004 in Piter and Moscow...if you are the last one at the control, I think you can spend more time once at airport than inside airplane....that's Russia too, but still many very good reasons to go there ;)

[Doctor_Skank]

What what? Police in Russian airports verify each luggage by X-Ray and make perquisitions of each luggage of foreign people?Of everybody, not just foreign people and considering the terrorist attacks that have occured there, be glad they do.

Their security checks are generally not more "intense" than those in Europe or the US however. Very rarely have they asked to open my hand luggage.

[Doctor_Skank]

HI

is there a simple and cheap way to access internet from an apartment in SPB ? Something using a slow modem connection via landline or maybe some cheap GPRS SIM card ? Any advice or experience about it ?

THX
TLThere are WLAN connections in some apartments, but unfortunately not many. If there is WLAN, you'll need to get a local card for access. Many cafes have free WLAN.

[Tits_Lover]

There are WLAN connections in some apartments, but unfortunately not many. If there is WLAN, you'll need to get a local card for access. Many cafes have free WLAN.
Thx for the answer. I asked cos my apartment doesn't have it but it has landline and I might be able to use a modem with it. They talked about some "card" i can use to get connected. I guess it might be some prepaid card with a code and a number to get dialup connection. Any experience ?
Which cafes got WLAN ? Any specific name in the center ?
Planning a quick trip in a couple of weeks. cheers

[AColonizer]

In Russian sites and in prostitutes' sites (for Russian men) I saw prices in rubles, therefore I wonder what is the best solution: pay cash by US dollars or pay cash by rubles?

[AColonizer]

What is the HIV and STD situation in Moscow? Because I am a very passioned man and when I meet a very interesting girl, I can't resist to make love.

[Eros74]

A non passioned man, not interested to get sexual diseases ;) would like to have some suggests from the most experienced friends here about where to go then tver....

Friends the choice is to flight again with s7, I love to fly :) so there are good price for round trip moscow samara and moscow kazan for only 2200 rubles such as 60 euro more or less.

Kazan capital of tatarstan.....anybody was there or as ufa i will be the first one ? LOL

Just please do not suggest me Kazan to make be the first one to go there that i will report lol

In lonely planet wrote, that not easy to be registered in Kazan, some hotel refuse to accomodate you for more than 2 days.....if i go to kazan, practically i leave russia or not?

Samara ? any infos about the place to hit in this city ?

In the golden ring city about moscow, almost nobody to do......shit, it was the best thing to put inside my suitcase some book to read :) to killing time i am reading russian dictionary...the best way to improve it :)

I think tomorrow i try sauna, read intim za denghi lol

So far thanks for suggest where to go.....poka drugi

[AColonizer]

Lukasek, the first hint, that you have followed, is to go to Russia instead of Ukraine ;-) I make you to avoid time and money waste.

I dream those towns near Urals and I hope your heart will find peace at last.

[Pizdyets]

In Russian sites and in prostitutes' sites (for Russian men) I saw prices in rubles, therefore I wonder what is the best solution: pay cash by US dollars or pay cash by rubles?

Most girls will take dollars, but may give you a shitty exchange rate - like insisting 8000R (average long-time at HD) is $350, when it's closer to $310.

[Prosal]

Great resource to know where to go out and what's going on from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok (most russian cities are covered, plus a few other ones in other FSU countries), with a multitude of fototeka-galleries about nightlife/social life.

http://www.geometria.ru/

Ufa don't look that bad Luka !! ;)

[Jake993]

Great resource to know where to go out and what's going on from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok (most russian cities are covered, plus a few other ones in other FSU countries), with a multitude of fototekas galleries about nightlife/social life.

http://www.geometria.ru/

Ufa don't look that bad Luka !! ;)
Holy Crap! THAT'S BIG RED!!!!! See my report on Ufa from April.

[Eros74]

Hey fellow friends one thing....i owe a beer to Jake,cause after he wrote nice girls in Ufa, i went there and i had not only sex,but the feeling to make love with mypro.....ask to yourslef how many times you buy a tockha and you will end to have the feeling to make love with her.....am i naive? maybe but i got much more than i paid to.....Ufa is wonderful,if you are with a buddy....the potencial is great...really even if i did not get it.....i will never regret i went there.....God bless Jake and mypro too.....Ufa will stay in my heart..... (should I maybe be write the report of the last night in Ufa with mypro and when at 5:00 am she took me to airport and her tears...maybe I would....Ufa...not only sex, but an experience of LIFE....) ;)
Now where i am...in the disco in Tver...the only one with a laptop...free wifi...i was in the flat of my friend drinking wine from chile and jokes...now in a disco...read my report soon......should i write i love russia or it is now more than obvious ? ;)

[AColonizer]

Hey guys,

According to voices from financial markets, it seems Russia is entering in recession too: can girls' needs and prices go down in next months?

[Doctor_Skank]

Hey guys,

According to voices from financial markets, it seems Russia is entering in recession too: can girls' needs and prices go down in next months?The Russian economy wasn't hit as hard as others. Oligarchs lost a lot of their play money in the Russian and international stock exchanges, but so far the general population hasn't seen any change in their lives. Some people lost some money of course, and a lot of people "bet" by making investments in dollars vs. euro... with a stronger dollar meaning some will win, some will lose.

If there is a prolonged recession in Russia, I would expect a change in prices/attitudes in 3-4 months. Right now everybody is just waiting to see how it turns out.

Personally I think Russia will ride out the storm and life will continue as usual here, the only difference being that average people will be a bit more careful with how they spend money and spend less on stupid shit like expensive phones and clothes and save more.

[Stravinsky]

It will be interesting to see how the Russian economy survives the global financial crisis. It's true that the average Russian doesn't have enough money to be invested in the financial markets, so they will not be affected too much. Mostly they play a shell game with the currencies; Ruble vs. Dollar vs. Euro. Most Russians were holding rubles and euros, so they have lost considerably. Those who were smart enough to move to the Dollar have made quite a bit.

I don't think the Russian government will be as fortunate. Messrs. Putin and Medvedev were calculating their revenue at $140 a barrel. Now they will have to calculate it at $60 a barrel. In addition, they have been spending their foreign currency reserves like a drunken matros (sailor) in order to keep the ruble from a free fall. Plus, providing guarantees to Russian banks and bank depositors.

Something else that has happened, which will affect the average Russian much more, is that the banks have stopped lending money for consumer loans; cars, apartments, etc. This means that major purchases will have to be made in cash, just like in the good old days. So, between what may have been lost on their currency and what they will now need to make in order to buy the things that they want, the average fyea (fairy) will have to come up with a lot of extra ready cash.

The question is: as the dyeffki de-leverage, will they simply pass their increased costs on to the consumer, or will they decide that they need to increase production. I'm hoping for an increase in production! :)

Proletarii vsyekh strahn, so-yedinyaityes! (workers of the world unite!) :)

[AColonizer]

Yes, Doctor Skank and Stravinsky, that's all true.

But we, mongers, must keep a severe behaviour at this moment. We must advise all foreigners that they haven't to pay a lot for Russian sex.

In fact I read, for instance, in www.rusdosug.com, that Russian men pay just 500 rubles for a royal swallow blowjob, instead English-speaking foreigners pay 100$ and more per an hour of pussy fucking.

First: the typical Russian sex is the royal swallow blowjob, if girl doesn't want to make that, this means she wants to cheat us.

Second: average prices (for Russian men) are 2000/2500 rubles (about 55/60 euros) per hour, and 10000/12000 rubles (about 250/300 euros) for a night, mouth pussy ass included (often without condom).

We can't allow Russia becomes like Ukraine!!!

P.S. also master mongers should help foreigners not to pay crazy prices.

[Orca11]

It is rumored that the Russian Treasury will let their ruble devalue. The are not going to intervene in the fx market. It will be a repeat of the Russian default crisis.


It will be interesting to see how the Russian economy survives the global financial crisis. It's true that the average Russian doesn't have enough money to be invested in the financial markets, so they will not be affected too much. Mostly they play a shell game with the currencies; Ruble vs. Dollar vs. Euro. Most Russians were holding rubles and euros, so they have lost considerably. Those who were smart enough to move to the Dollar have made quite a bit.

I don't think the Russian government will be as fortunate. Messrs. Putin and Medvedev were calculating their revenue at $140 a barrel. Now they will have to calculate it at $60 a barrel. In addition, they have been spending their foreign currency reserves like a drunken matros (sailor) in order to keep the ruble from a free fall. Plus, providing guarantees to Russian banks and bank depositors.

Something else that has happened, which will affect the average Russian much more, is that the banks have stopped lending money for consumer loans; cars, apartments, etc. This means that major purchases will have to be made in cash, just like in the good old days. So, between what may have been lost on their currency and what they will now need to make in order to buy the things that they want, the average fyea (fairy) will have to come up with a lot of extra ready cash.

The question is: as the dyeffki de-leverage, will they simply pass their increased costs on to the consumer, or will they decide that they need to increase production. I'm hoping for an increase in production! :)

Proletarii vsyekh strahn, so-yedinyaityes! (workers of the world unite!) :)

[Cruiser D]

There are quite a few scenarios on how the economic markets will play out. None of them are good for the Russian market. The world economy will continue to free fall and oil demand will drop, causing oil to settle well below $50/barrel. Or the US will put the brakes on their economic free fall and the dollar will start surging against other currencies, (which seems to be happening) causing oil to settle well below $50/barrel. If Obama gets elected their will be a huge 'alternative' energy push causing OPEC to drop oil prices to nothing to once again stave off the challenge or they might think it's oil's swan song and milk it to the end. I predict Russia and the rest of the FSU is going to pop right after the holidays.

Russia has already closed their stock market several times and Putin has already used the government reserve to prop up the ruble. So it's too late to guess whether or not the Russian Government will intervene, they already have.

Proletarii vsyekh strahn, so-yedinyaityes!

[Doctor_Skank]

There are quite a few scenarios on how the economic markets will play out. None of them are good for the Russian market. The world economy will continue to free fall and oil demand will drop, causing oil to settle well below $50/barrel. Or the US will put the brakes on their economic free fall and the dollar will start surging against other currencies, (which seems to be happening) causing oil to settle well below $50/barrel. If Obama gets elected their will be a huge 'alternative' energy push causing OPEC to drop oil prices to nothing to once again stave off the challenge or they might think it's oil's swan song and milk it to the end. I predict Russia and the rest of the FSU is going to pop right after the holidays.

Russia has already closed their stock market several times and Putin has already used the government reserve to prop up the ruble. So it's too late to guess whether or not the Russian Government will intervene, they already have.

Proletarii vsyekh strahn, so-yedinyaityes!Have been talking to various personalities on the stock, commerce and real estate front, not to mention local friends.

Although there are some optimist souls out there and although so far it is superficially business as usual on the streets, the general outlook is quite pessimistic. Some people have pulled their money from banks, others have decided to try to sell their property. Some rents have dropped from $7000 to $5000/month (lux apartments) overnight.... and still no takers.

Wait and see. I have a feeling however that the average citizen/local populace doesn't know what is going to hit them. With 80% of new cars financed, not to mention home loans etc., a sudden rise in unemployment could be a disaster for the average Ivan.

[Jake993]

There are quite a few scenarios on how the economic markets will play out. None of them are good for the Russian market. The world economy will continue to free fall and oil demand will drop, causing oil to settle well below $50/barrel. Or the US will put the brakes on their economic free fall and the dollar will start surging against other currencies, (which seems to be happening) causing oil to settle well below $50/barrel. If Obama gets elected their will be a huge 'alternative' energy push causing OPEC to drop oil prices to nothing to once again stave off the challenge or they might think it's oil's swan song and milk it to the end. I predict Russia and the rest of the FSU is going to pop right after the holidays.
I guess I tend to agree with you in general terms. The one thing I wonder about a little is the future of Alternative Energy. Many of these Alternative Energy initiatives will rely on funding from sources OTHER than oil and gas production. Given the dramatic drop in investment portfolios, I wonder if the same pool of cash exists today to fund some of Mr. Obama's ideas for fossil fuel alternatives. T. Boone Pickens said on "60 Minutes" last night that said that his fortune is down $ 2 billion over the mast 30 days. And he's funding one of the biggest alternative energy projects (wind power and natural gas). Unless Obama plans to open the coffers to fund these projects with government dough, I don't think our dependence on imported fossil fuel is quite done yet.

As for oil price, I remember sitting in Moscow last June watching a CNN interview of David O'Riley (Chevron CEO). He said that the high oil price at the time was due mostly speculative forces and to a much lesser degree the increase in demand by India and China. Ten minutes later, some raving lunatic from Wall Street representing the commodity futures groups said that high oil prices were the fault of Big Oil for not drilling fast enough and responding to the EXPLODING world demand for oil.

Yeah, right........ exploding.

[Bez Bezarra]

Wait.

the local populace don't know what is going to hit them.

a sudden rise in unemployment could be a disaster



I strongly advised and warned those that I care for, especially my 2 new outstanding sponsorettes, to sock those crispy benjamins away, for the impending financial daisy cutter that's gonna wipe out the unprepared little dyevniks. They have no idea how thirsty its gonna get when the dengi well freezes up.

Vell ztrit stoik murkot? Is dat vere farmers buys dee goats?

Oy!

[Cruiser D]

Jake your speculation on alternative energy doesn't seem to take in consideration that we (USA) don't have a choice. We should have done this 15 years ago (30 years ago the tech wasn't out there) but greed got in the way. Western Europe is about 50-60% of the way there. The US is at about 20%. In 5 years time we could be be foreign oil free. If W weren’t a tool for Big Oil we'd probably already be there. What made more sense, invading Iraq or putting all those resources towards government owned nuke, wind, solar, geothermal and tidal power plants in the grand scheme of national strategic security? There have been some really small minded and greedy people running this country for the last 8 years.

Actually the Ruski sugar babies are screwed across the board. Neither Ivan nor Joe Sexpat is going to have any money - time to start going a few days between meals again for the dyev's.

"The only thing worse than tasteless Russian spending may be the end of tasteless Russian spending." http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/06/are-the-russian-oligarchs-running-out-of-cash/

[Jake993]

Jake your speculation on alternative energy doesn't seem to take in consideration that we (USA) don't have a choice. We should have done this 15 years ago (30 years ago the tech wasn't out there) but greed got in the way. Western Europe is about 50-60% of the way there. The US is at about 20%. In 5 years time we could be be foreign oil free. If W weren’t a tool for Big Oil we'd probably already be there. What made more sense, invading Iraq or putting all those resources towards government owned nuke, wind, solar, geothermal and tidal power plants in the grand scheme of national strategic security? There have been some really small minded and greedy people running this country for the last 8 years.

Actually the Ruski sugar babies are screwed across the board. Neither Ivan nor Joe Sexpat is going to have any money - time to start going a few days between meals again for the dyev's.
I didn't realize that the in "D" in Cruiser D meant Democrat. ;)
You make some good points but I do think that whether or not W is a tool for Big Oil has little to do with our proclivity for cheap foreign oil. Emphasis on the word "cheap". Looking back 10 years, the average price of oil in 1998 was under $12 and it wasn't until 2005 that oil went over $50. Our "instant gratification - give it to me cheap" mentality would NEVER have supported a move to alternative energy. To suggest so would have spelled death to a Presidential campaign. And let's not kid ourselves, Europe is much further down the road to alternative energy than the USA are because of one thing - TAXES. Europe buys the same oil America does - the difference is that Europe taxes the crap out of it and it is those tax proceeds that funded the move to alternative energy in Europe. When you are paying the equivalent of $8 a gallon for Petrol in the UK, you will support ANY move to an alternative. The Democrats had plenty of time to raise oil taxes (when oil was cheap) to fund alternative energy and they didn't lift a finger. Plenty of blame to go around for all of those self serving - blood sucking politicians on BOTH sides of the fence.

But once again, I digress. The REAL point here is that on my last trip to Russia (in September) if I had suggested to a young Dyev that I pay her in dollars (much less negotiate a price in dollars) she would have screwed up her nose like she had smelled a bad fart.

I am going back to Moscow in December and how much you want to bet that the girls will want to talk price and payment in terms of Dollars?

[Doctor_Skank]

Actually the Ruski sugar babies are screwed across the board. Neither Ivan nor Joe Sexpat is going to have any money - time to start going a few days between meals again for the dyev's.
That's my concern as well.

Among all the premature speculation that dyevs will be less demanding both on the freebie, sponsorship or pro front people seem to forget that a lot of Joe Sexpats out there are going to be counting their dollars as well.

$200 didn't sound like much 2 months ago. Maybe it will in 3 months time.

Even if I do admit there will be a certain degree of gratification in seeing some arrogant overspending Russians take a fall, ultimately the whole situation is good for nobody.

[Gentleman Travel]

But once again, I digress. The REAL point here is that on my last trip to Russia (in September) if I had suggested to a young Dyev that I pay her in dollars (much less negotiate a price in dollars) she would have screwed up her nose like she had smelled a bad fart.

I am going back to Moscow in December and how much you want to bet that the girls will want to talk price and payment in terms of Dollars?

Maybe this switching of currencies will be the key to price adaptability.
In an earlier post I speculated that girls will be reluctant/slow to reduce their nominal price for services rendered - it is human nature, especially for this kind of extremely personal service. But the muddle of currency fluctuations might mean that what they used to sell for 100 Euros, they will now be prepared to sell for 100 USD.

The other upside is that this might remind girls why their older sisters wanted to find nice foreign guys to rescue them from the shithole in which they live, whereas for the last few years girls have been living in a dream world where they think Moscow is the centre of the new world.

[Doctor_Skank]

The other upside is that this might remind girls why their older sisters wanted to find nice foreign guys to rescue them from the shithole in which they live, whereas for the last few years girls have been living in a dream world where they think Moscow is the centre of the new world.Again I don't expect a price drop for pros within the next 3 months and it is still too early to expect "superskidki"/"every ho must go". However if the Russian government's efforts to hold up the economy fall flat the local populace will realize something serious is going on and any cash will be better than no cash. Bills have to be paid.

Like I said before, most of my business colleagues are worried and already correcting their plans for 2009... the local 18-24 year old dyev populace however still seems to think that $9 for a cappucino is "normalno" and that in Russia "u nas krisis net".

Posmotrem.

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[Cruiser D]

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[Gentleman Travel]

i found this article about russian oligarchs on the mat quite interesting.
a neat angle was printing the front cover of the latest "snob" magazine,
a luxury magazine published by mikhail prokhorov, who is himself on the mat.
instead of flaunting the usual toys of russia's super-rich, this month's edition
shows a pathetic, whimpering loser. may be the last edition of this magazine.
pick it up as a collectors edition, like old soviet flags.

cheers,

gt

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global bailouts: russia

a tense quiet precedes kremlin's big move
the cover of this month's snob magazine says it all. the most insecure market in the global crisis waits in terrified indecision to find out which banks medvedev will save and which oligarchs will go down with their ships

doug saunders
october 29, 2008

moscow -- a month ago, the aisles of the gold-encrusted okhotny ryad mall near the kremlin would have been packed with muscovites on any weeknight. last night, there were more security guards than window-gazers, a handful of whom fondled the threads from zara, fendi, diesel and tommy hilfiger.

and a table at the exclusive vogue café, which used to require reservations weeks in advance, was a simple request: "we have room on friday night," the maitre d' says.

"people just aren't going out this week. it's quiet."

nobody's buying anything in moscow this week, including shares.

the rts and micex stock exchanges finally opened yesterday morning, after moscow authorities halted trading on friday following a calamitous crash that erased more than 74 per cent of the value they held at their may peak - making moscow arguably the world's most insecure market in the current global crisis.

the markets opened yesterday to slight gains, but trading volumes were very low, and it was widely reported here that kremlin authorities were behind much of the buying - a suggestion supported by the fact that many of the same companies were trading at much lower prices on london markets.

"the entire economy is holding its breath, waiting for the next thing to happen," said anton stroutchenevski, senior economist with the moscow investment bank troika dialog.

most of moscow's potential investors - not to mention shoppers and diners - appear to be waiting until tomorrow night, when president dmitry medvedev will finally deliver an annual state-of-the-nation speech that he has postponed at least twice because of financial turmoil.

investors hope he will announce a major program to invest part of russia's oil reserve fund, valued this summer at almost $200-billion (u.s.), into preferred shares in some of russia's largest banks and resource companies.

by a bloomberg estimate, the oligarchs who control these companies have lost $230-billion, or 62 per cent of their net worth, in the stock market crash.

as a result, they are now facing demands from foreign lenders to put up cash or equities to cover loans that often total billions of dollars. oleg deripaska, who recently ranked as russia's wealthiest oligarch, has until the end of this week to refinance a syndicated loan to western banks valued at $4.5-billion.

if a kremlin-funded buyout of the firms were not possible, large parts of these enterprises could fall into foreign hands - something that russia's leaders have considered unthinkable.

"what we've got ourselves today in the russian market is almost a perfect storm," says ronald smith, chief strategist for alfa bank, moscow's largest commercial bank.

but it is not clear exactly which, if any, companies might face a government refinancing. this has led those few russian investors with cash available to sit on their hands and wait until tomorrow night's news.

it has also led to widespread rumours that the kremlin will use its investments as a way to further consolidate its control over the russian economy by taking large state shares in the economy.

on monday, deputy prime minister igor shuvalov tried to reassure investors that a large-scale state takeover of the economy was not pending.

"we don't have any directives to lay our hands on as much private property as possible - these are all rumours," he said in a rare media briefing. he added that government managers would not be imposed on companies: "there are no worse managers than the state."

moscow's mood of terrified indecision was captured this week by the magazine snob, a "journal for the very rich" that costs $20 an issue.

its october cover, in a break from its usual bling-encrusted models, features a stark image of a fashionable young man slumped on the ground, his hands covering his face in fear.

actually, that might be the mood of the magazine's owner, the mining oligarch mikhail prokhorov, whose company mmc norilsk nickel has seen its shares plummet from a high of over $300 (u.s.) in may to a close of $58.25 yesterday.

that collapse is at the heart of the difficult choice facing mr. medvedev tomorrow. after all, mr. deripaska used his control of a 25-per-cent stake in norilsk as collateral to guarantee his $4.5-billion loan. with the value of that collateral greatly diminished, banks are demanding that he find $2-billion in cash or equities to restructure the loan.

while it is considered highly likely that mr. deripaska will be saved by the state, it is not clear what other institutions might get a rescue. several mid-sized banks and finance firms have already failed, and mr. medvedev has made it clear that he will allow others to fail.

"the state has the resources to save those companies that it wishes to save," olga kryshtanovskaya, an economic analyst with the russian academy of sciences, told reporters.

"these will mostly be large state corporations and companies that are friendly to the kremlin."

[Stravinsky]

GT,

Where did you find this article??

[Gentleman Travel]

GT,

Where did you find this article??
www.theglobeandmail.com

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081029.IBRUSSIA29/TPStory/?query=snob


The Globe is the main national newspaper in Canada

[Pizdyets]

www.theglobeandmail.com

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081029.IBRUSSIA29/TPStory/?query=snob

The Globe is the main national newspaper in CanadaMy two rubles (without getting political). I suspect this is more about Manezh being on the decline than consumer spending in general. For example, I was just in Evropeysky Mall this weekend and it was crowded as hell. Now I'm not saying that the recession won't hit the everyday Ivan. But bear in mind that most Russians (the 99. 999% who aren't oligarchs, high-placed government officials, mafiosi or some combination of the above) don't exactly have a reputation for savings accounts. In fact, with a financial crisis looming, they're more inclined than ever to go out and buy shit with what money they have while it's still worth something. It's actually one of the most endearing Russian qualities to me. Live for the moment.

Getting back to what matters. The price of p4p. I suspect it will go down, but will take some time. Some ignorant foreigners will no doubt still go to NF and pay upwards of 500 euros/night (or more) for LT. But when fewer clients are willing (or able) to pay, and there's no equivalent of OPEC to curb supply. Putting 2 and 2 together, you can see that prices will come down.

[Sorrow]

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[Eros74]

I share my experiences of travelling in Russia, maybe it will be really useful only for newbie but even a newbie needs help :)

I took 6 times airplanes, 3 times s7, 2 times rossiya and 1 time aeroflot and once train.

First of all two infos, besides s7 that has english web page, where to buy ticket if you are in the middle of nowhere in Russia ? The answer is Aviakassa, it is enough to find one of this office and maybe you will not get the cheapest one, but they are able to sell you every kind of ticket.

Second, the real shame about aeroflot, I suppose the biggest russian airplanes company, that has in Piter only two office, and even if one is open 24h, it is at airport, the second one is close to Nevski, not far from the mac donald in front of magrib, but the problem is that in a city of 5 million inhabitants you have only one office...so I went there twice and everytime there were almost 30-35 persons, so the second city of all russia has only one office, cause who will go to airport just to buy a ticket ?


S7:

Thanks so much to Doc Skank, cause about 2 months ago, when I was home thinking how I will move inside Russia he wrote about s7 and it was enough to check their web page to realize, it is imho the best, the cheapest and easiest way to travel.

First of all, you need just two minutes connected to net, to go to their web page to buy an electronic ticket then everything is done, go to airport and nice trip.

Second they fly almost everywhere and almost everyday.

Third the airplanes are new or they look very good,the only bad thing is the food they give you,but who cares ? When you fly one hour, you do not really need to eat.

Fourth very cheap price, I flyed from Moscow to Samara for only 1500 rubles and I book only 3 days in advance...



Rossiya:

I used from Samara to Piter and from Piter to my home. The worst one, specially from Samara to Piter I paid 11.000 rubles for a plane so little, I do not remember the model, but there was no enough place to put my hand luggage, so I sit down with it under my seat...too bad.
Also from Piter to my home was not much better.
The problem is that s7 connects Moscow with almost every city, but not two provincies between themself, so I had two chance, or to use s7 to go to Moscow and then to Piter or Rossiya to have direct flight Samara Piter.



Aeroflot:

It is the company I used to arrived to Moscow, it is not bad as Rossiya but not good as s7. What I liked less, the seats, that look very old and a bit dirty too and when seats look like this...you are thinking if they sometime remember to check the engine, wings and so on...



Train:

Only once and more than enough, from Tver' to Moscow, it was my first time inside a russian train, I took the first one that left when I arrived to train station, surely there are much better train but a normal train in Russia is a train usually in west europe you saw last time in 1950....



Airports:

Shemeretyevo...so big, so old, so dirty but the main one in Moscow...too crowded...I do not like it,but it is enough close to center.

Domodedovo looks much better, at least is more new but it is far from center, actually it is in the little village called Domodedovo, but as I saw when I go there and with taxi car we stopped to take a beer...there are good and cheap tochka in Domodedovo village :)

Pulkovo in Piter the best one I saw.

Airport in Ufa....hm...nothing special, but the worst one I saw it is in Samara....

I hope it helps :)

[Gergiev]

Airport in Ufa....hm...nothing special, but the worst one I saw it is in Samara....



Looks like just about everything in Samara annoyed you, Luka :-))

[Eros74]

Looks like just about everything in Samara annoyed you, Luka :-))

LOOL :)

I am curious to read a report of another monger going there, to see if he will get annoyed as me or if he will be able to get fun ;)

[Moliere]

Maybe this switching of currencies will be the key to price adaptability.

In an earlier post I speculated that girls will be reluctant/slow to reduce their nominal price for services rendered. It is human nature, especially for this kind of extremely personal service. But the muddle of currency fluctuations might mean that what they used to sell for 100 Euros, they will now be prepared to sell for 100 USD. As usual, a cogent observation from Gentleman Travel.

Consider this illustration of the same principle, but in Kiev: I'm fifty-five and the girl is 22, very pretty. She agreed to 1400 grivna about four weeks ago for a regular four hour session on Friday afternoons. That was about $240 or say $60 per hour. As the weeks go by and the exchange rate moves against the grivna, she starts arriving later and leaving earlier. ("I have a class. Etc"). She probably keeps the same dollars per hour through this maneuver, even though the market price should be falling. (I'm an economist. That's my day job.)

After some acrimony over her arriving late and leaving early, of course I consider just paying her less. But, as Gentleman Travel has suggested, the psychology of such a move is bad unless I really want to end the relationship. So what I do instead is I sympathize with her: "Sasha, it's really important that you make your classes. You're WAY too busy in the afternoons. Why don't you spend the night instead? "

Well, there has been some considerable back-and-forth, agreement and then cancellation on the New Deal, but she seems to have agreed finally. As I write this post I am waiting for Sasha to arrive. If she comes, we will have reached a new (temporary) price equilibrium. Without changing the nominal price.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Jake993]

As usual, a cogent observation from Gentleman Travel.

Consider this illustration of the same principle, but in Kiev: I'm fifty-five and the girl is 22, very pretty. She agreed to 1400 grivna about four weeks ago for a regular four hour session on Friday afternoons. That was about $240 or say $60 per hour. As the weeks go by and the exchange rate moves against the grivna, she starts arriving later and leaving earlier. ("I have a class. Etc"). She probably keeps the same dollars per hour through this maneuver, even though the market price should be falling. (I'm an economist. That's my day job.)

After some acrimony over her arriving late and leaving early, of course I consider just paying her less. But, as Gentleman Travel has suggested, the psychology of such a move is bad unless I really want to end the relationship. So what I do instead is I sympathize with her: "Sasha, it's really important that you make your classes. You're WAY too busy in the afternoons. Why don't you spend the night instead? "

Well, there has been some considerable back-and-forth, agreement and then cancellation on the New Deal, but she seems to have agreed finally. As I write this post I am waiting for Sasha to arrive. If she comes, we will have reached a new (temporary) price equilibrium. Without changing the nominal price.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I have observed something similar on this trip to Moscow.
On my first visit to Moscow it was 35 Rubles to the dollar and the girls were quoting payment in dollars. Last summer when it was 22 Rubles to the dollar the girls were quite adamant about quoting in rubles only. Now that the ruble has softened, they are back to quoting in dollars. I think the girls are hedging against the ruble.

And by the way, there has been some reported softening in the price at Night Flight. While I have not experienced it first hand (since I have sworn off NF) a friend mine was in last week and was given 10,000 rubles ($350) as an OPENING bid for an 8-9 at 2:00 AM. In June - July, you would be lucky if that's where you ended up - not started.

[Bez Bezarra]

Shemeretyevo...so big, so old, so dirty but the main one in Moscow...too crowded...I do not like it,but it is enough close to center.

Domodedovo much better, , actually it is in the little village called Domodedovo, there are good and cheap tochka in Domodedovo village



Bez will finally do Moscow. Yes, after all these years, because of Lufthansa's insane price increases, I will not be able to avoid changing planes through the capital.

On my way there, its only a 2 hour lay over, but on the way home, I'll need to spend one night in Domodedovo, so I will need a hotel.

Any suggestions for girl friendly, as I will certainly be visiting the tochka mentioned by Luk, as many times as my Johnson will tolerate.

Hotels?
Prices?

Prices for the Domo village tochka?

[Stravinsky]

Bez,

You're going to spend the night in... Domodedovo??

[Pizdyets]

Hotels?
Prices?


BB - try Hotel Milan at Metro Domodedovskaya. It's new, decent service and not too expensive (by Moscow standards). Around $150/night.

[Bez Bezarra]

Bez,

You're going to Domodedovo??




$150 per night??? Really? Fuck! Might as well have just paid Lufthansa their outrageous $1500 price to avoid Moscow. Guess I'll go back that way again in 2010, like I did the last 3 years. By the time I'll have paid to get out of Moscow to get to the provinces, and then to get back, and then the taxi to get to the hotel, and then for the tochcka, and then to get back to the airport, it'll add up to more than the Lufthansa ticket to avoid all this shit!

Exactly the reason I don't fucking go to the capital!!

That's why I love the provinces. Maximum $80 per day for a brand new flat on main street, maximum $80 per hour for a fresh new 18 year old spinner Psychology/Economics styudenka sponsorship GFE. Moscow's for the millionaires, not for Bez!!

So I have an early Sunday morning flight that takes off at 7:00 o'clock, so yes, I'm gonna stay the night in a hotel in Domo.

Check in at SwissAir 5:00, right?

You know what that's like, you screw the tochka girl until about 1:00 or 2:00, then sleep an hour or two, then jump in taxi to the airport. So why not stay there?

[Pizdyets]

$150 per night??? Really? Fuck!

I can see why you're so popular with the ladies, BB. And yes, please arrange to bypass Moscow next time. You can rest assured you won't be missed here.

[Stravinsky]

Pizdyets,

Please excuse Bez, he's a little, how shall I say... socially awkward? But we love him anyway.

Bez, you're right, the provinces have many advantages for budget travelers, but the barriers to entry for the average tourist are simply too high. First, it is necessary to be fairly fluent in Russian, which eliminates most people. Second, you've got to have the free time to simply hang out in the middle of nowhere for days or weeks, which eliminates just about everyone else, except of course, yourself.

I now await my complete and thorough excoriation by the Bez-man. :)

[Prosal]

$150 per night??? Really? Fuck! Exactly the reason I don't fucking go to the capital!!
I'm with Bez on this one.

Why the fuck pay 150$/night for a suburban three stars hotel in Moscow when you can rent a 100 square meters apartment in the center of Tashkent for 400$/month ?

IMO bypassing overpriced destinations is nowadays not a sign of stinginess, but of commonsense. Especially when you know that pussy is equally fine and available elsewhere.

[Stravinsky]

Why the fuck pay 150$/night for a suburban three stars hotel in Moscow when you can rent a 100 square meters apartment in the center of Tashkent for 400$/month ?Because when you wake up in the morning you will be in, well... Tashkent!

[LifeSavour]

. russian blonde kseniya sukhinova was crowned the 58th miss world saturday after a two-hour spectacle in south africa that combined elements of travelogue and reality show, and the kind of flag-waving usually seen at sports events.

. the contest was to have taken place in ukraine, but was moved to south africa because of tensions between russia and georgia and fears conflict could spread to ukraine. south africa has hosted more miss world finals than any other country.

friggin russians, kseniya was to spend an afternoon showing me her suk in over skills during her stay in kyiv!

speaking of sukin. many have always wondered in awe at the skills of russian/ukrainian girls at 'sucking'. i also was amazed during my 1st trip to kyiv / odessa in 2000.

there is a simple answer why they are so much better than the west.

don't exactly know the name of this ribka (fish), but you will see locals sitting with some pivo and a slew of these little fresh fish, pull the heads off, rip open and remove the guts and peel the meat away from the skin with there teeth and eat this slavic sushi!

i don't know a single women in usa that would ever do such a thing!

its no wonder taking a 'dripping' cock into their mouths and even swallowing the load is no big deal!

gotts ta luv the russian cuisine!

[Bez Bezarra]

Pizdyets, sex use Bez, he's little hawk But love him away.

Bez, you average tourist

simply too high to be fairy in Russia

you simply hang out in the middle

for dweebs except you.

I await my complete excoriation by the Bez-man.



Bla bla douchebag says what?

Well, I'm just jones-ing since its now 7 weeks since I left and had a taste of motherland honey pie. I found a local 23 year old russian redhead, and also 3 other russian girls from an agency run by a little mamachka. She's asking for $350 per hour for 23 year old blond with no BBBJ, and the redhead wants $200.

Had to pass that up, a few views of my videos from last trip reminded me of what's waiting for me on my return.

This is a very out of focus shot, the clear ones will eventually be in the gallery, so just be patient, or keep egging me on, either one works as well as the other.

But at least, she's MY model!!

[Superparatrooper]

"Pay for Play". It refers to any form of prostitution. You pay to play. Everything else is "freebie".Or as we now know thanks to Blagojevich it can also mean selling of a Senate seat. Just goes to show that politicians aren't that much different than prostitutes!

Sorry for the offtopic content.

[Blaked]

She's totally cute, Bez.



Bla bla douchebag says what?

This is a very out of focus shot, the clear ones will eventually be in the gallery, so just be patient, or keep egging me on, either one works as well as the other.

But at least, she's MY model!!

[Blaked]

Pizdyets,

Please excuse Bez, he's a little, how shall I say... socially awkward? But we love him anyway.

Bez, you're right, the provinces have many advantages for budget travelers, but the barriers to entry for the average tourist are simply too high. First, it is necessary to be fairly fluent in Russian, which eliminates most people. Second, you've got to have the free time to simply hang out in the middle of nowhere for days or weeks, which eliminates just about everyone else, except of course, yourself.

I now await my complete and thorough excoriation by the Bez-man. :)

Seriously though, if you're going to be put off by the process of going out to the provinces, you might as well go to Kiev or Prague. Moscow is a total hassle from a visa perspective even before you start to shop for a hotel. On the other hand, you don't need a visa to visit Ukraine or the Czech Republic. From what I've seen of the pros in Kiev, they know English better than their Muscovite equivalents. Prague is a magnet for girls from places like Belarus and Western Ukraine. I was at a Hoellebecq book signing in Moscow last year and he was asked why he didn't visit Russia more often, to which he replied that there were plenty of Russian girls in France. Expect to pay around $50/hour in both Kiev and Prague. Apartments or 'Pensions' are also cheap in those cities - nightly rental apartments can be seen in the local real estate magazine in Kiev, and plenty of mini-hotels offer competitive prices in Prague 3 - the 'seedy' area there. Riga was once a contender, but the city is simply too small to accomodate the sex tourist industry - only 700 thousand people live there. If you want to meet Russian girls on vacation, consider package tours to Antalya or Sharm El Shekh.

[Blaked]

Like I said before, most of my business colleagues are worried and already correcting their plans for 2009... the local 18-24 year old dyev populace however still seems to think that $9 for a cappucino is "normalno" and that in Russia "u nas krisis net".

According to some economists, Oil could fall below $20/barrel. My guess is that a lot of businesses won't be able to afford their rent. Landlords, restauranteers, *****s and everyone else are wont to reduce prices. It's just the Russian mentality. Mobile phones are already 40% less in Ukraine because of the exchange rates. A weaker ruble could help.

[Pizdyets]

According to some economists, Oil could fall below $20/barrel. My guess is that a lot of businesses won't be able to afford their rent. Landlords, restauranteers, *****s and everyone else are wont to reduce prices. It's just the Russian mentality. Mobile phones are already 40% less in Ukraine because of the exchange rates. A weaker ruble could help.

Considering the huge amount of things imported these days, a weaker ruble won't just hurt the elity types, but the everyday Russian as well. Maybe not babushki living in Rybinsk, but even modern day peasantry who almost never step into a restaurant will want to buy tangerines from Spain, a mobile phone from Finland, a refridgerator from Korea, a television from Japan... Russia has spent nearly zero of their oil/gas windfall on diversifing their economy and as retarded as it may seem, the government's newest tactic seems to be placing protectionist tariffs on all imports (most notably this month on used cars to prop up Lada - a throwback to the Soviet age which makes America's troubled auto manufacturers look like innovative geniuses). This will only lead to higher inflation, which deffki will try to pass onto us until it's painfully clear that they're just not going to be able to afford food on the dinner table (let alone that new pair of winter boots) unless they open their legs for less.

[OneKissMontreal]

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[Superparatrooper]

Russia has spent nearly zero of their oil/gas windfall on diversifing their economy and as retarded as it may seem, the government's newest tactic seems to be placing protectionist tariffs on all imports...Not to mention the fact that now they are using the petrodollar windfall which went into the foreign currency reserves fund to keep the ruble on life support. A complete waste. Officially, just this week they burned through almost $7 billion and despite this the ruble sank 5%. The rumor (probably the worst kept secret in Russia) has it that the central bank has already wasted more than the officially reported $160 billion to defend the ruble. Given that the estimated investor withdrawals since August are way in excess of $200 billion, not to mention the Russian version of the bailout package also relies on funds coming from the foreign reserves, some estimates I've heard put the real decrease in foreign currency reserves as high as $250. Anyway, this can't go on forever and soon the ruble will slide, as that Bank Rosiji will run out of dollars and euros.

That’s Russian logic: won't spend the money diversifying the economy, but will flush it down the drain to support the ruble when the shit hits the fan.

If that's modus operandi of Russian technocrats, now wonder the girls still haven’t adjusted the prices if they follow the same logic.

[Ash1001]

a weaker ruble won't just hurt the elity types, but the everyday Russian as well

I'll say. A weaker ruble and oil price will probably reduce some minigarch's net worth from $100m to maybe $20m - not enough to change his lifestyle much, but he'll certainly be looking to cut costs by firing all those newly hired graduate dyev 'economists'...

Regarding diversification, there was a significant drive not too long ago to make St Pete a major IT outsourcing centre. Russian programming talent is impressive and they earn less than their Indian counterparts. The problem was, even though labour costs are rock bottom, the overall cost of doing business is high due to corruption. A fair few banks in London have scrapped their Russian IT experiments and moved development back to the UK.

[Stravinsky]

Anyway, this can't go on forever and soon the ruble will slide, as that Bank Rosiji will run out of dollars and euros.It's true, even the Russian central bank does not have unlimited reserves and cannot continue propping up the ruble indefinitely. At some point it has to let the ruble find it's own level. Watch the week between Jan. 1st (Gregorian New Year) and Jan. 7th (Julian Christmas) as this would be the perfect time to mess with the currency. It's a holiday week and most everyone will be celebrating, plus most banks will be closed, so people won't be able to get at their money. Until it's all over...

[Pizdyets]

Russian programming talent is impressive and they earn less than their Indian counterparts. The problem was, even though labour costs are rock bottom, the overall cost of doing business is high due to corruption. A fair few banks in London have scrapped their Russian IT experiments and moved development back to the UK.

BRIC engineering salaries are roughly equal, from what I've seen. Of course those working in major cities (Moscow, Bangalore, Shanghai...) will make more than those working in the sticks, but they need it given the comparatively high cost of living. Just like pussy costs more in Moscow than it does in Ufa...

Also, I wouldn't attribute the high-cost of doing business in Russia entirely to corruption. Sure, it's a huge racket, but there are many more factors involved, and it affects some industries (anything cash-based) much more than others (such as offshore R&D performed by international firms). Same goes with Russian pussy. Some types - most notably tochkas - are heavily influenced by corruption, whereas others (picking up a WG on mamba) are essentially free of corruption.

[Brian Moloney]

. russian blonde kseniya sukhinova was crowned the 58th miss world saturday after a two-hour spectacle in south africa that combined elements of travelogue and reality show, and the kind of flag-waving usually seen at sports events.

the contest was to have taken place in ukraine, but was moved to south africa because of tensions between russia and georgia and fears conflict could spread to ukraine. south africa has hosted more miss world finals than any other country.

friggin russians, kseniya was to spend an afternoon showing me her suk in over skills during her stay in kyiv!

speaking of sukin. many have always wondered in awe at the skills of russian/ukrainian girls at 'sucking'. i also was amazed during my 1st trip to kyiv / odessa in 2000.

there is a simple answer why they are so much better than the west.

don't exactly know the name of this ribka (fish), but you will see locals sitting with some pivo and a slew of these little fresh fish, pull the heads off, rip open and remove the guts and peel the meat away from the skin with there teeth and eat this slavic sushi!

i don't know a single women in usa that would ever do such a thing!

its no wonder taking a 'dripping' cock into their mouths and even swallowing the load is no big deal!

gotts ta luv the russian cuisine! yeah in north america you see the fat lard ass women eating mcdonalds, kfc, arbys a/w burger king etc. yeah just got to love all that cellulite and rolls of fat. god i just can not get enough of that. gee i wish i was back in north america.hehehehehe i also miss the attitudes to. oh sigh hehehehe yeah these russian girls are ugly. hahahaha. i wonder if gloria steinman is single. hehehehe yeah and heebs never get fat. only russian women. hehehehe

[AColonizer]

we want lifesavour for president! we want lifesavour for president of this forum! we want lifesavour for president of the world!

yes, you have discovered the light) the russian sucking skill is god!


. russian blonde kseniya sukhinova was crowned the 58th miss world saturday after a two-hour spectacle in south africa that combined elements of travelogue and reality show, and the kind of flag-waving usually seen at sports events.

. the contest was to have taken place in ukraine, but was moved to south africa because of tensions between russia and georgia and fears conflict could spread to ukraine. south africa has hosted more miss world finals than any other country.

friggin russians, kseniya was to spend an afternoon showing me her suk in over skills during her stay in kyiv!

speaking of sukin. many have always wondered in awe at the skills of russian/ukrainian girls at 'sucking'. i also was amazed during my 1st trip to kyiv / odessa in 2000.

there is a simple answer why they are so much better than the west.

don't exactly know the name of this ribka (fish), but you will see locals sitting with some pivo and a slew of these little fresh fish, pull the heads off, rip open and remove the guts and peel the meat away from the skin with there teeth and eat this slavic sushi!

i don't know a single women in usa that would ever do such a thing!

its no wonder taking a 'dripping' cock into their mouths and even swallowing the load is no big deal!

gotts ta luv the russian cuisine!

[Bez Bezarra]

Well good God Almighty, and bless my ever lovin' motherfuckin' soul!!

At least you've managed to shift the bloody conversation from economics to dicksuckology. Small miracles, yeah baby!

But when it comes down to balls across the nose and the minyet minuet knob-gobbling hereditary gene that gives the ruski females the genetic superiority over FWC's, is something worth debating (mastur, that is) here, much more so than how many kopeks you can balance on your girlfriend's forehead while she's getting busy taking dictation.

Basically it comes down to attitudes and intelligence. That is, the dyevuchkas may not all be fucking rocket scientists, and from what they learn in school or even less, care about getting a solid education to better themselves to be independent citizens, they've really shown how much the gap has widened between east and west, such that they've moved ahead at a quantum leap, thanks to not much more than some porno dvd's.

Psychologically speaking, they've mastered their domain in the hierarchy of human sexuality, and have left their western counterparts far far behind in the dust.

From simply getting it, after watching a few porno's, they've quickly discovered that having a talented tongue will get them a lot more influence and participation, so they practice to become proficient fellatists, knowing all the while that western women are doing the same thing, but in complete reverse. That is, for the most part, not to omit the exceptions to the rule, as yankee babes choose to withhold rather than offer and provide their skills and talents of giving oral pleasure.

From when ever females in the west begin hornblowing, regardless of their age, factoring in the laws of averages, from that point, its all downhill because they think that by giving less, they will have either more control or more appreciation, for what little stingy quantities and lackluster performances, or even shamefully worse, deliberately making us feel like we want them doing something they find unpleasant! The nerve of them!!

But that's the basis of the topsy turvy polar opposite thinking when it comes to understanding the mindset of FWC's. As I've said myself more than once, I usually am fortunate to meet a generous share of girl-next-door types that really suck a dick with pure joy and breathtaking mastery, while simultaneously never getting tired or impatient.

Yes, yes, there are certianly exceptions to my generalizations, I can remember the first trailer trash girl I hooked up with that was able to breathe AND deep throat my hog without the least bit of effort or difficulty, she just jammed her jawbone down into her chest and expanded her throat, almost like the way some snakes disjoint their heads backwards in order to swallow huge rats that are 10 times bigger than their mouth, she had that kind of skill and ease and I instantly made her my new girlfriend. But like all the yankees tarts, she got too greedy, after a while.

And that's what I mean about FWC's, they all think that we owe them more than they have, or get, or make, or find, or whatever. Because the fact is, we don't owe them squat, its them, its they that owe us! And they really don't deserve much anyway for all the complaining that we have to endure.

Somebody else brought up their complaining, oh jesus creeping in the bin!

But the last point I'll make here, is that I must stand up against the voting for President LoofaStabber LaughSoaker LogSucker LeafSlayer.

You can say what ya want about the ugliness of girls of the west, and extoll with glee the fiery hotness of dyevochkas, ....BUT!

Yes, but...... just think now, all those babushkas you see, they were hot too ya know, when they were 19, but,.......somehow, they ended up the babushkas and unless your ALWAYS gonna dump them, the one you decide is the one that is just SO hot that you're gonna keep her and knock her up and progenize your seed, just know that she's headed for babushka time, boy!! Just know that, yeah? Ok, Jose'??

Just know that!

[Country John]

Well good God Almighty, and bless my ever lovin' motherfuckin' soul!!

At least you've managed to shift the bloody conversation from economics to dicksuckology. Small miracles, yeah baby!

But when it comes down to balls across the nose and the minyet minuet knob-gobbling hereditary gene that gives the ruski females the genetic superiority over FWC's, is something worth debating (mastur, that is) here, much more so than how many kopeks you can balance on your girlfriend's forehead while she's getting busy taking dictation.

Basically it comes down to attitudes and intelligence. That is, the dyevuchkas may not all be fucking rocket scientists, and from what they learn in school or even less, care about getting a solid education to better themselves to be independent citizens, they've really shown how much the gap has widened between east and west, such that they've moved ahead at a quantum leap, thanks to not much more than some porno dvd's.

Psychologically speaking, they've mastered their domain in the hierarchy of human sexuality, and have left their western counterparts far far behind in the dust.

From simply getting it, after watching a few porno's, they've quickly discovered that having a talented tongue will get them a lot more influence and participation, so they practice to become proficient fellatists, knowing all the while that western women are doing the same thing, but in complete reverse. That is, for the most part, not to omit the exceptions to the rule, as yankee babes choose to withhold rather than offer and provide their skills and talents of giving oral pleasure.

From when ever females in the west begin hornblowing, regardless of their age, factoring in the laws of averages, from that point, its all downhill because they think that by giving less, they will have either more control or more appreciation, for what little stingy quantities and lackluster performances, or even shamefully worse, deliberately making us feel like we want them doing something they find unpleasant! The nerve of them!!

But that's the basis of the topsy turvy polar opposite thinking when it comes to understanding the mindset of FWC's. As I've said myself more than once, I usually am fortunate to meet a generous share of girl-next-door types that really suck a dick with pure joy and breathtaking mastery, while simultaneously never getting tired or impatient.

Yes, yes, there are certianly exceptions to my generalizations, I can remember the first trailer trash girl I hooked up with that was able to breathe AND deep throat my hog without the least bit of effort or difficulty, she just jammed her jawbone down into her chest and expanded her throat, almost like the way some snakes disjoint their heads backwards in order to swallow huge rats that are 10 times bigger than their mouth, she had that kind of skill and ease and I instantly made her my new girlfriend. But like all the yankees tarts, she got too greedy, after a while.

And that's what I mean about FWC's, they all think that we owe them more than they have, or get, or make, or find, or whatever. Because the fact is, we don't owe them squat, its them, its they that owe us! And they really don't deserve much anyway for all the complaining that we have to endure.

Somebody else brought up their complaining, oh jesus creeping in the bin!

But the last point I'll make here, is that I must stand up against the voting for President LoofaStabber LaughSoaker LogSucker LeafSlayer.

You can say what ya want about the ugliness of girls of the west, and extoll with glee the fiery hotness of dyevochkas, ....BUT!

Yes, but...... just think now, all those babushkas you see, they were hot too ya know, when they were 19, but,.......somehow, they ended up the babushkas and unless your ALWAYS gonna dump them, the one you decide is the one that is just SO hot that you're gonna keep her and knock her up and progenize your seed, just know that she's headed for babushka time, boy!! Just know that, yeah? Ok, Jose'??

Just know that!

Great post. Mexican women are similarly uninhibited sexually and when you get the star treatment from a woman who, not only knows how, but actually desires to give great service, then you feel fulfilled. Your post summed up several issues very nicely.

Country John

[Guido88]

Great post. Mexican women are similarly uninhibited sexually and when you get the star treatment from a woman who, not only knows how, but actually desires to give great service, then you feel fulfilled. Your post summed up several issues very nicely.

Country John

Country John

Mongers may get the wrong impression by your post.

Spent a fair amount of time in Tijuana, off and on for 30 years or so and have been fortunate to spend time in Russia as well.

IMHO it’s a night and day experience, Mexico has the predominantly Catholic Chica’s? attitudes with dark skin and overweight.

Russia has a whole nother breed of female, slim, absolute sex machines and they it take pride in service provided. Simply put they are bred for sex.

Service in Tj is not on the same level. Fair amount of rip off artists, and whole lot of fat after the clothes come off. Skill wise, the percentage that takes pride in service is low.

Mostly I think they deal in volume.

Add in the police problems along with the new waves of TJ kidnappings “foreigner’s.

Why bother?

The percentages of top notch experiences I can count on my 2 hands for 30 years in TJ mongering might be 10%????????

Russia on the other hand scores much much higher.

Night vs day IMHO , RU slim petite and horny and the RU women that trained from birth to provide the best they can.

Been reading your posts for several years. No doubt you do well in TJ with a whole lot of experience.

It’s a big world.

A suggestion, take advantage of low airfares, the rising dollar and the RU hunger for real currency. Might open a whole new addiction.

I wager that like me after the first RU trip, Mexico would be unacceptable.

Or not, also a new set of challenges.

Only one way to tell

Take the pussy challenge. Well worth the trip.

Guido88

[Bez Bezarra]

**** Mongers get the wrong impression of Tijuana, dark skin and overweight, rip off artists, and kidnappings.



But,.............there is a BIG difference between the skanky Chicano pros you found in TJ brothels, and just everyday young college girls. In a way, its really about the general population between age 18 and let's say 21.

Its well known a solid majority of normal young females there, the kind that we disgusting pervertos Mongerinos will NEVER get our filthy hands on, may be a little dark, but no less slender and cute. You ever been in the universities in Mexico City? They got pleanty of that sweet gushy stuff!

And of course, your point, that there are extremely few fat chicks in russia is very true, whereas in TJ, you may find as many as 40 to 55% big round rice and bean butts---, really does make the whole point of Country Jonny's
post pointless and even less worth reading.

Well, except for the part, that Bez is some sort of dashing lord of mighty cocksmanship. That, as we all know, is undeniably ironic, considering that I have three nipples and one testicle.

Further evidence to suport:

[Fijiman]

I've been on Mamba recently as I prepare for my next trip. I see many references to girls looking for a sponsor (and indeed have read the term here many times).

Of course I understand the the basic principle.

But how exactly does this work? Does it mean you have to be a fulltime sugar daddy, paying rent for the girl, etc? Can you be a short-term sponsor, or would that be offensive to the girl?

Anyone know what are the going rates?

I've tried searching and googling and can't seem to find any factual information on the custom in Russia, and how it works.

Thx in advance

[Doctor_Skank]

I've been on Mamba recently as I prepare for my next trip. I see many references to girls looking for a sponsor (and indeed have read the term here many times).

Of course I understand the the basic principle.

But how exactly does this work? Does it mean you have to be a fulltime sugar daddy, paying rent for the girl, etc? Can you be a short-term sponsor, or would that be offensive to the girl?

Anyone know what are the going rates?

I've tried searching and googling and can't seem to find any factual information on the custom in Russia, and how it works.

Thx in advanceYou can find more detailed info on this if you RTFF, but to answer your question:

* sponsorship means paying either a monthly sum or short-term sum for companionship usually including sex. Everything is subject to negotiation.... price, services, frequency. Most girls are looking for something long-term or medium-term and many will reject the idea of short-term sponsorship or single meetings. Payment is usually monthly, but again is a matter of negotiation and circumstance. There is no contract. Additionally, some sponsored girls do not have sex with their sponsors and/or aren't required. Make sure your intents are clear and clarify exactly what you expect. A lot of girls are looking for men who can introduce them to "good circles" and help them with their careers, even if that career is just being a pampered concubine.

* sponsorship girls don't consider themselves prostitutes, although essentially they are. Nonetheless, there is the important difference that they are often "normal" girls looking to earn money on the side or to fund their lifestyles or looking for a real partner and moreover, many pride themselves on turning down potential sponsors if they aren't good enough, good-looking or most importantly, don't fork out enough cash. They are choosier than normal prostitutes, this is fact.

* there is a wide variety of types of girls looking for sponsorship, from "professionals" who go from one sponsor to the next as career mistresses to students looking for extra money to out of work girls desperate to make the ends meet to single moms needing to buy baby milk to girls just experimenting with the idea or trying to get enough cash together for holidays. Additionally as stated above, many girls are just looking to meet the right people to start their ladder-climbing careers or looking for legitimate connections in real careers.

* many, probably even most, of the girls only speak Russian or only will date Russian men.

* one or two "interviews", usually a meeting in a cafe, are often required before an arrangement is agreed upon. The girls have both security and image concerns, meaning they want to know with whom they are being set up with. This varies from girl to girl however.

* short-term sponsorship is possible with some and a matter of negotiation, however it is more the exception than the rule and is usually fairly expensive. Normal prostitutes are often cheaper. There are no set prices, but from what I can deduce it seems that the price for a monthly arrangement varies greatly and runs from $2000-$20,000, with average price for a good girl in "7" category about $4000. A single meeting if she agrees is usually about $500, but varies. Pricing may be in rubles, dollars or euro. Girls in the 9 or 10 category, if they are on the market or mamba at all, demand (and receive) very high prices. Additionally, in some arrangements, sponsorship includes fringe benefits such as paid holidays, shopping allowances, cars, apartments etc. Top girls are expensive.

* as the girls don't consider themselves prostitutes per se and as they can afford to be selective, it is not a good idea to start communication with "how much?". A little bit of faux romance at the beginning is important to get communication started. Again, do not be surprised if it is difficult to find willing candidates and do not be insulted if the girls don't answer you at all. They have a pretty good nose for selecting those men they will benefit most from and they have gotten used to Russian (or Georgian/Armenian) men being MUCH more generous than cheap Westerners.

That said, the economic crisis in 2009 may change the rules of the game a bit and personally I feel that prices will come down as supply of girls exceeds demand from locals willing to spend their decreasing fortunes on girls. Additionally more girls will be willing to accept single meetings as opposed to insisting on monthly arrangements, as they will have no choice.

You should also read this report for inspiration. It suggests that opportunities are opening for us.


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=823328

[AColonizer]

I have collected a lot of phone numbers, for incall meetings, by mamba sites and by moscow prostitutes' sites. I wonder why it is not good to go in a prostitute's flat if most customers' meetings are there?

[LifeSavour]

How come?

In my profile I list I am ready to become a sponsor.

I see a girl lists she wants ONE!

I say "Lets meet in cafe"

She says - $100 !!

Many Times this happens. So? Are Kyiv girls different?

[Ash1001]

In my profile I list I am ready to become a sponsor

LS I thought you were looking for some nice mama to sponsor YOU? :)

[Ash1001]

what your annual girl chasing budget actually is? I would include all flights, accommodation, restaurant/drinks bills, presents for WGs/sponsorees etc. less any costs that are genuine business expenses.

I'd estimate Skank's is somewhere in the $50K range - am I in the ballpark?

[Excess]

what your annual girl chasing budget actually is? I would include all flights, accommodation, restaurant/drinks bills, presents for WGs/sponsorees etc. less any costs that are genuine business expenses.

I'd estimate Skank's is somewhere in the $50K range - am I in the ballpark?


Not too concerned about anyone's budgets/spending, however after reading Dr. S's encounter with the SexySecretary, there is no doubt that the Boy has game, make that very, very serious game. Exceptional.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=823328

[Doctor_Skank]

How come?

In my profile I list I am ready to become a sponsor.

I see a girl lists she wants ONE!

I say "Lets meet in cafe"

She says - $100 !!

Many Times this happens. So? Are Kyiv girls different?$100 just to meet with nothing else?! Or $100 for something slurpy?

[Doctor_Skank]

what your annual girl chasing budget actually is? I would include all flights, accommodation, restaurant/drinks bills, presents for WGs/sponsorees etc. less any costs that are genuine business expenses.

I'd estimate Skank's is somewhere in the $50K range - am I in the ballpark?I honestly don't want to know. It'd be hard to calculate, as believe it or not when I am in Russia I am usually working and not girl-chasing. $50K is way too high though.

But yeah, anyway you cut it girls are an expensive hobby, both in money and time spent... not to mention nerves!

[AColonizer]

Hi guys!

Happy people who travel for work and, by this way, they can get more opportunities to monger. But it is not the same for most of us and to hunt relationships (not only sex! ) is a huge bleeding (money is the blood of our work).

Therefore I often repeat and I am severe about money and respect: a woman deserves money only if she has respect of us, otherewise she is the worst evil in the world.

Most of us are gentlemen, and we would like to make women happy (cock, money, easy life) but women think happiness in just one way: money, money, money (in spite of global recession, too)!

What can we do to keep down women's greed? We must act by two ways:

- as an individual, we must follow the first rule: pussy doesn't rule, money rules, what is the market price for an hour of real sex (swallow blowjob AND pussy AND ass)? 2500-3500 rubles/first hour. More hours and more girls mean discounted prices. There are no exceptions and higher prices don't mean better service. A lot of people here can witness about this.

- as a community, we are a community, I hope few people are here just for narcissism, this forum is information, and information is power, our power. When we, all together, act at the same way, with the same behaviours and with the same prices, we get more market power with less effort. Who knows the meaning of "companies' trust"? I wonder why there are "prostitutes' trust" (agencies, salons, etc.) and not "mongers' trust"?

[LifeSavour]

$100 just to meet with nothing else?! Or $100 for something slurpy?So I always respond 'you are a prostitute' - NOT a 'sponsor girl'!

[Doctor_Skank]

So I always respond 'you are a prostitute' - NOT a 'sponsor girl'!$100 for sex is a great deal for Moscow and as indicated before, the difference between a prostitute and a sponsor girl is muddled.

So did you meet any of them? How was it?

[Strike 69]

Country John

Mongers may get the wrong impression by your post.

Spent a fair amount of time in Tijuana, off and on for 30 years or so and have been fortunate to spend time in Russia as well.

IMHO it’s a night and day experience, Mexico has the predominantly Catholic Chica’s? attitudes with dark skin and overweight.

Russia has a whole nother breed of female, slim, absolute sex machines and they it take pride in service provided. Simply put they are bred for sex.

Service in Tj is not on the same level. Fair amount of rip off artists, and whole lot of fat after the clothes come off. Skill wise, the percentage that takes pride in service is low.

Mostly I think they deal in volume.

Add in the police problems along with the new waves of TJ kidnappings “foreigner’s.

Why bother?

The percentages of top notch experiences I can count on my 2 hands for 30 years in TJ mongering might be 10%????????

Russia on the other hand scores much much higher.

Night vs day IMHO , RU slim petite and horny and the RU women that trained from birth to provide the best they can.

Been reading your posts for several years. No doubt you do well in TJ with a whole lot of experience.

It’s a big world.

A suggestion, take advantage of low airfares, the rising dollar and the RU hunger for real currency. Might open a whole new addiction.

I wager that like me after the first RU trip, Mexico would be unacceptable.

Or not, also a new set of challenges.

Only one way to tell

Take the pussy challenge. Well worth the trip.

Guido88

Regarding Mexico

Girls from the common classes of people will in general not only not be greedy, but exceptionally non materialistic. On the other hand.. girls from the upper classes.. the beautiful ones (and usually white blondes in contrast with the dark skinned of the lower classes) who are mroe likely to have a level of education most of us in this forum would be attracted to, will in general be VERY materialistic as they are accustomed to a very pampered life with servants (slaves) and vacations in new York, Paris, Miami, Houston.. In Mexico the rich will know nothing about the provinces but will know what the latest and greatest in New York is...

The are some cities where you can find very beutiful women (such as Guadalajara, Cualiacan or Monterrey) but only as non pros, the sex market in those cities is not that good in my opinion (you can find a couple of gems in Monterrey but they are still too rarer and you need the right connections)

Guadalajara is one the cities in Mexico well know to have a bunch of very beautiful women in the streets but sadly you will not find some of those in the local sex market (and almost unexistant sex market) despite the high number of 8,9 and 10 in the local population why? I will put what other forist wrote about it:

I don't have nearly the experience that Coahuila and Anonimo do in bedding nonpros, other than women I've dated for a while. I'd rather pay for it. If I were in my 20's like them it might be different. They also seem to have identified some target rich environments for finding slutty women. Anyway, available women I've met seem to fall into three categories,

1. Ugly women. Her economic status doesn't make much difference. I can pull an ugly woman from, say, U-fit in Puerta de Hierro (health club with California-like member fees), no problem.

2. Reasonably attractive, traditional women. There are a lot of these out there that would be interested in dating a gringo. But they typically don't fuck on the first date. Or the second or the third.

3. Attractive non-traditional women. This is the target we're all interested in. If your typical ISG gringo (American) and his buddy walk into an upscale bar and start hitting on women like these, they'll strike out. If you're dressed well, good haircut, clean finger nails, expensive watch -- all those superficial things --you're likely to do a little better. These women are interested in money, more so on average than U.S. women. Now, if you start dating one of these women, and she figures out you've got money, all her friends are going to want you to fix them up with your rich gringo friends. It doesn't really matter if your buddies are 20 years older or if they don't speak Spanish, as long as they've got money. In fact, some of her friends are probably going to want to date you. This is why you see Strike and Anonimo and some others pointing out the importance of cliques in Guadalajara.

If you're traveling through town and looking for a piece of ass, I think you're better off going to the esteticas instead of trying to pick up a nonpro.

I will put this that I wrote in the Monterrey forum (Mexico section) of this forum regarding the social and racial stratification present in Mexico:

I've studied and seen how social classes are divided in Mexico.

Despite the popular belief there's a considerable amount of white Mexican people here (more or less 10 % are pure white according to the CIA worldfactbook) so if there are 110 000 000 millions of Mexicans that means approximately 10 millions are pure white, also 60 millions are Mestizos (mixture of Europeans and Indigenous people) and the rest 40 millions are direct descentants of the Indigenous populations. From Mestizos we can take another 15 - 20 millions from the original 60 millions who are fair skinned or have a majority of European facial gestures if we add this number of fair skinned mestizos to the original 10 million who are pure white we have a total of 20 - 25 millions of Mexicans who are indeed white or fair skinned against 40 millions Indigenous Mexicans and 50 millions Mestizos who dark-skinned or have Indigenous facial gestures.

20 - 25 millions of whites - fair skinned in Mexico is a number higher than the avarage population of Quebec of 7 millions, Sweden of 9 millions, Norway of 4 millions, Denmark of 5 millions and Finland's population of 5 millions, amazing isn't it? but still less than 35 millions of whites in Argentina whose white population is more or less 90 % white. However Mexico is not considered a white country, why? because we have 50 million Mestizos and 40 million who are direct descendants of the Indigenous population, that makes 90 millon of non whites agains 20 - 25 millions of whites/fair-skinned.

The elites usually descendants from the conquerors were usually white or fair-skinned at the same time the working class or the “proletarian” were brown or dark-skinned. After several hundreds of years or intermarriage the elites get even whiter in contrast with the most dark looking- Amerindian people from lower classes. Over the generations (and still in the actuality) the descendants of the conquerors who were the most rich or the most interactive were allowed to marry white women (usually blondes) while the other men who weren’t successful enough had to marry an indigenous girl.

The elites clawed their way up out of the indigenous dark masses not only in a racial way, but in a social and economic way also. We can found one example of this in the Mexican soup operas, by the look of the actors. The maids, bus drivers, plumbers and other lesser jobs are all performed by dark-skinned people, while the white collar workers are all performed by white actors and for the look of their women (the majority blondes) people could think that Mexico is located in Scandinavia. One more recent example is the last Mexican presidential election; the right-wing candidate Felipe Calderon is white, while the leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is dark-skinned. The ethnic conflicts of Latin America, have found in Marxist- Populism (class struggle) a form of identification

So as Amigomio said natural caucasian blondes (and white women in general with some exceptions) can be found usually in the elites, they have a higher economic (and social) level and they don't need to work in strip clubs or massage parlors (or they prefer to marry a rich man who will give them all the money they want at the horrible cost of having him around). There are some exceptions of course like "Ivonne Soto" one tall blonde with huge tits and big ass who worked as stripper in the Joker (or something like that) in Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua and Isabel Madow another pure white blonde who worked in some "UNKNOWN" business before making a linving thanks to the TV Shows (she fucked a Spaniard guy several times in Big Brother VIP Spain in front of the cameras, and here she said she was a decent girl who only accepted Playboy's offer of taking her photos because they were good taste non trashy photos)

In Mexico City you can find pretty much what you want (any type of women) but it will be very expensive for what many other mongers are used to get in other similar countries such as Brazil which is too bad.

Guys from the upper or middle classes who wants to have beautiful girlfriends (at the level of the women found in the Mexican elites) prefer to import their women from other countries such Eastern Europe (Russia included) or South America as it will be so much cheaper (and sometimes better) rather than trying to get along with one of the already jaded and extremely materialistic women found in the elites. But it is necessary to remember the number of people found in the upper and middle classes in Mexico is not that high in comparision with the rest of the population.

In my limited experience the best bang for your buck it is present in the German FKK Clubs.

[Pizdyets]

These women are interested in money, more so on average than U.S. women. Now, if you start dating one of these women, and she figures out you've got money, all her friends are going to want you to fix them up with your rich gringo friends. It doesn't really matter if your buddies are 20 years older or if they don't speak Spanish, as long as they've got money. In fact, some of her friends are probably going to want to date you.

Replace "gringo" with "Western" and "Spanish" with "Russian", and you've pretty much summed up the gold-digging class here in Moscow. These are essentially the same as sponsor girls - they expect you to buy lots of "gifts" (high-end purses, shoes, jewelry, consumer electronics and so on) in exchange for sex (which, incidentally, only comes after you've proven your viability as a bonified sugar-daddy). Through wealthy colleagues/partners, I've had many of these girls introduced to me (or just as common, had them introduce themselves). But I have not ventured there... nor will I ever. And the reason isn't just about cash. No matter how tantalizing their outside appearance may be, their souls are all the same - dead.

[Ash1001]

$50K is way too high though ... But yeah, anyway you cut it girls are an expensive hobby, both in money and time spent

I ask only because mine seems to be something in that region on a pro rata basis. I make very short, relatively infrequent trips to the FSU and despite presenting myself as 'biznezmen' have no real business at all :) Hence the relative cost of flights and poor apartment deals - as well as not negotiating too hard at RP due to limited time and unwillingness to walk away - seems to add up.

Agreed Excess, it's always about money and game. A lack of the latter will leave you very vulnerable.

[Bez Bezarra]

I make very short, relatively infrequent trips to the FSU and despite presenting myself as 'biznezmen' have no real business at all

Hence the cost of flights and poor apartment deals as well as RP seems to add up, it's always about money and game.

A lack of the latter will leave you very vulnerable.



My 17 journeys have all basically cost the same, and run about 16 days.

They average about $1500 to $2300 per week, not including airfare, which ran around $1000 back in 2000 to 2002, but has been around $1150 ever since, to Ukraine, and around $1250 to Russia since 2006.

In Ukraine provinces, its not easy to find cute cat-house girls, but they run $80 for 2 hours, except in Odessa, which is about $120, and in Russian provinces, about $140 for 2 hours, then plus what ever extra they need for anything 'extra' beyond the basic 'plan'. For student sponsoring, depending on how cute they are, they can run anywhere from free to $250, again, depending on what ever 'extras' are ok, ususally depending on their greed factor. Many are ok with modest sposnsoring, many are not. One thing I've found, they're all different, but I can certainly recognize greed when I see it.

I've certainly found that I can get turned down flat by many that are the hottest, and in about half of those cases, at least in the last few years, that I have to offer at least $200 or more, to even get them interested, though sometimes, I just take a pass, and move on. It adds up quickly because the goal is 2 introductions and hopefully hook-ups, per day. One in the morning or afternoon, and one in the evening or night. Anything less than 2 per day is a failure. This is always a challenge, because the Bez is no youngster, and no Tom Cruise either, so its not easy, at all, except once or twice a week, I do get lucky. The rest of the time, its a lot of work, which I don't mind, but when you are not in your 30's, or fit and handsome, you really have to work at it. The easy days are long gone. And remember, the Bez insists on 18 to 20 years, with very very few exceptions, so this makes it 4 times tougher. You go try that, and see how easy it is, when your Russian is only good enough, that they understand you, but you can't understand them!

And greed is definitely out there.

The rest gets spent on apartments, which run from $60 in Ukraine to $80 in Russia, and a personal driver, which runs from $30 to $60 per day, depending on how many hours each day, then food, which hasn't been cheap in the nice supermarkets since 2005, and booze, and restaurants.

Overnights in Kiev on the way in, and out, of Ukraine, add on an extra $500, for apartment, transfer to and from airport, to and from train station, plus Sim cards, and then dyevochkas, at least one, sometimes two.

I expect to spend even more, now that I'm forced to overnight in Moskva now.

I do my part to add to the economic development of these two countries!! I could be saving this cash towads my retirement, but then, what is the point of life without some fun? Why slave myself to the grind of working my ass off for an unappreciative company, now putting in 50 to 60 hours a week, with little hope of any future in this horrible economy, and not take every chance I get, to blow off some steam in Candyland? Things are not looking good anymore, working and living in the USA. Its a crap shoot, now. I'll probably get fired again in 2009, and then, who fuckin' knows, my mongering days will be over. Life ain't pretty, in the big shitty city, no more.

[Ash1001]

Loads of good info there. I agree, $1000 per week excluding flights would actually be a bare minimum, and that too if you're focussing on freebies and very amateur amateurs.

Regarding the outright rejections - wouldn't a better approach be to reel them in on the net? Say you're offering around $500 a week. That amount should go pretty far in the provinces, expecially nowadays.

I'm really curious about the provinces as Moscow just seems way out of my league for sponsoring. What's a good approach - turning up at a nightclub in dowtown Novosibirsk, see who'll have a drink with you and then pop the (financial) question? :) My tastes are as yours, I like them young, cute and young, oh yeah and cute.

[Bez Bezarra]

Loads.

I agree, $1000 per week excluding flights would actually be a bare minimum, if you focus on freebies and very amateur amateurs.

Regarding the outright rejections - wouldn't a better approach be to reel them in offering around $500 a week.

That amount should go pretty far in the provinces, expecially nowadays.

I'm really curious about the provinces.

What's a good approach - turning up at a nightclub in dowtown Novosibirsk, see who'll have a drink with you and then pop the financial question?

I like them young cute young, and cute.



As far as $1000 a week, that's completely preposterous, at least in my case. I like to, and need to, get started with a BIG bang. One thing that ALWAYS amuses me, and amazes me, is that in the first couple of days, I like to see how fast I blow through my first $1000-$1500, and in many cases, its GONE by the second or third day! Then I sit there, and try to figure out where it all went, but like I said, one or two or three 2 or 3 hour sessions, plus stocking my fridge with Beluga Vodka and some ikra and all the other necessities, which if you have never tried Beluga Vodka, it tastes so much better than ANYTHING in the universe, but expensive as hell,..... well. The point is, go for it.

OK??? You startin' to get it now?

Then of course, things invariably slow down a bit, and I'm NOT spending cash so fast, and it all evens out a bit, so its all relative.

As far as offering $500, I've NEVER done that, because I would have no idea before hand, that a dyev's performance would or could warrant such an expenditure. Though thinking back on the ones that got away, perhaps I should have tried something like that, maybe that WOULD have worked. I think that in a few cases, I did send a few desperate text messages that read, "please, I must see you, I need your help, (8000 rubles!)" So how much is that? About $320? That worked twice in 2008! I figured, how could they turn that down?? And they didn't! What did it get me? About the best nights of my life, and then repeat performances for almost free, once they realized what a wonderful all around swell guy I was. So I guess you could say, that reeled them back in??

In Ukraine, I don't think I ever offered anything close to that much. Maybe $200?

As far as approaches, well that's a whole 'nother story.

Approaches approaches approaches!! Yeah, that's something altogether.

Nightclubs?? Nah! Don't work for Bez. I have zero success in nightclubs. Only in Minsk, did I hook up, at Westworld, but she was a pro. 21, redhead, cute enough, charged me $120 for only the basics, which I thought was very high considering the escort service from the newspaper was only charging about $40, this was back in 2004. But even with the redhead, I felt that I struck out, because what I first asked her to do, was to help me hook up with 4 or 5 of the hottest 18 year old spinners that were there dancing, and THEY ALL turned me down flat. And it wasn't because she was trying to keep me for herself, since I offered her double to hook me up.

So, no. Nightclubs don't work for me. I even went back to that Westworld disco two more times, and left alone both times, as there were only a few older pros there, that were definitely not hot. I've tried them to no avail in the provinces in Russia and Ukraine, and always gone home alone. I've bought them drinks and bottles of champagne, but no luck.

And as you know, Bez has never even seen the infamous RP.

So what works for me? Ahh, yes now, that is the mystery of the Bez, and that, I regret, will simply have to remain a mystery, my friends. For to reveal all that, would leave all the fun out of this, and that's no fun at all.
Its certainly not my own secret, I've seen a monger or two bring it up on some other forums on other continents, so Its not a Bez exclusive, but it also has something to do with my own particular talents, which I would say, that you fellas certainly do not posess. God gave me a gift, Ukraine girls gave me the inspirations, and the results have been a blessing, so I don't take that lightly. But its something, when you can actually brings tears to their eyes.

nuff said

[Pizdyets]

So what works for me? Ahh, yes now, that is the mystery of the Bez, and that, I regret, will simply have to remain a mystery, my friends. For to reveal all that, would leave all the fun out of this, and that's no fun at all.
Its certainly not my own secret, I've seen a monger or two bring it up on some other forums on other continents, so Its not a Bez exclusive, but it also has something to do with my own particular talents, which I would say, that you fellas certainly do not posess. God gave me a gift, Ukraine girls gave me the inspirations, and the results have been a blessing, so I don't take that lightly. But its something, when you can actually brings tears to their eyes.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_en_mu/movie_director_assault



NEW YORK – At least four women have accused the Academy Award-winning songwriter of "You Light Up My Life" of luring them to his home and sexually assaulting them while they auditioned for movie roles, police said.

Police are investigating whether director Joseph Brooks, who won an Oscar for Best Original Song for the 1977 Debby Boone ballad, advertised upcoming film roles on Internet postings as a ploy to assault women.

When a woman responded to an audition call, the 70-year-old Brooks would tell her she'd be playing a prostitute and would have her drink shots and perform sex acts on him, police said. Some women believe they might have been drugged, police said.

At least four incidents are alleged to have happened in March and May 2008, police spokesman John Sweeney said. One woman told authorities she had sex with Brooks after drinking wine with him, Sweeney said.

A woman from Seattle said she responded to an ad and after she arrived in New York, Brooks demanded she have sex with him, Sweeney said. Another woman told police Brooks sodomized her, Sweeney said.

Brooks hasn't been charged, Sweeney said.


Don't get your panties in a wad, Bezzie... I'm just yanking your chain. ;P

[Ash1001]

I like to think I have a few 'gifts' and am quite good at approaches, especially on the street, which is quite fun. I normally strike out with a few girls in clubs and bars before hitting paydirt.

If she's hot, will be friendly with you but mentions boyfriend, then that's the time to talk sponsorship.

But NO killer formula, I just do the legwork!

[Bez Bezarra]

This guy is a boner fide HERO!

Hey toots, come here!
Yes, I'm a big shot Hollywood director and you can play a shot-slamming butt-fucking dick-sucking puta in my next block-nut-buster movie, ......

Wanna try-out??? ;)

Oh, oh!!! Mr. Police-Man, help me, that bad man fucked me in my ass!!

I'm sure the cops asked her if she passed the audition. :D

Hey Pizzie!! How do you know I'm not just an onion slicing yoga instructor?

[Pizdyets]

Hey Pizzie!! How do you know I'm not just an onion slicing yoga instructor?

Somehow, Bezzie, that just didn't fit my psychological profile of you. You seem a little too... how should I say it... 'high-strung' to be a yoga instructor.

Though it does make for an interesting mental picture.

"Now relax and listen to Bez carefully. Let your cares and inhibitions go. Just throw them out the fucking... um... sorry... what Bez meant is... Yogi Bezarra needs you to put aside your fears and tribulations. Take a deep breath. As you breathe out, open your legs slowly. Bez needs your legs to be open wide. Wider. WIDER!!! That's right... show Bez your chakra. Now open your mouth. As the staff of peace, love and harmony is inserted into your mouth, Bez needs you to repeat your mantra slowly... slowly... now quicker... quicker..."

[Bez Bezarra]

What have they got planned for Obama's Inauguration?

Any sensless beatings for sub-continent exchange students.

Did see one story on BBC WN that a human rights journalist was murdered, was it another woman, or did they actually whack someone with balls this time?

Was that a little welcoming message for President Yes We're Broke?

[Jake993]

Hey, in case anyone is interested, Lukasek is tearing it up in Brazil right now. I'm tracking his exploits on the Brazil threads. Too funny. But, I think the pretty blond Provincalkas from Ufa have spoiled him forever. Apparently big bundas and dark skin are not his thing.....

[Eros74]

Jake993, sorry but I read only now your post, so busy to try to make my holiday in south america...worth it !

Yes...no matter where I will go or whom I will marry, LOL, I will, really, always thank you for your post about Ufa, (that made me decide to go there !!! ) Jet Club will always be between my SWEETIEST memory, so well as Svety from Ufa....

Funny enough I went to Brazil and I did not like it, after russia ruined me, but it was enough just 7 days in Argentina to make me decide to go back asap to Brazil...

Brazil in comparison to Argentina is heaven of pussy, but in comparison to Russia is nothing, besides termas, the only thing, together the ocean, Brazil worth it....imho.

But ok lets hit the south of Brazil, where maybe I will find something closer to devuski.

I miss FSU, but Slovakia and CZ as well....funny enough, I had to go so far to discover I have the heaven of pussy next my door !!!

Udachu dorogoy drug

[AColonizer]

About flat renting in Moscow.

I am programming my colonization of Moscow in April and I am looking for a good price/quality flat.

I have found some renting agencies, not so many I have expected, and I have realized to book a short stay by Russian agencies and to avoid Western agencies.

I explain the reasons.

Most flats and services, provided by Russian agencies, are the same we get by Western agencies, that is just an intermediary cost. There is no guarantee Western agencies provide a better service than a Russian agencies. Just a phone call, by a Western agency to book a flat through its Russian corresponding agency, means at least 25% more on the original price. I see some Russian agencies are downsizing their prices, instead Western agencies aren't. At the last, I am avoid Italian agencies (30% more for a phone call), German agencies (very expensive) and, of course, Australian agencies, I can't believe all Australian services are 3/4/5 times more expensive than European services.

[Pizdyets]

Most flats and services, provided by Russian agencies, are the same we get by Western agencies, that is just an intermediary cost. There is no guarantee Western agencies provide a better service than a Russian agencies. Just a phone call, by a Western agency to book a flat through its Russian corresponding agency, means at least 25% more on the original price. I see some Russian agencies are downsizing their prices, instead Western agencies aren't. At the last, I am avoid Italian agencies (30% more for a phone call), German agencies (very expensive) and, of course, Australian agencies, I can't believe all Australian services are 3/4/5 times more expensive than European services.

Fucking Aussies! :) Seriously, I didn't even know we had Australian services here in Moscow! Anyway, would be very interested to hear about your experiences with these firms, Colon. Though I live in here, I have lots of visiting colleagues/partners, and not all want to cough up $800/night for the Park Hyatt or Ritz.

[AColonizer]

About renting a flat:

I am dealing with a Russian renting agency. This is my first time in Moscow and I hope that is not a fraud. Anyway, I am pretty surprised to find few Russian agencies with a modern credit card payment system, someone asks for Western Union payment (of course, I can't accept). So, I have suggested to pay by Paypal. I don't know if this is a good idea, but I had good rentings in Kiev with no bad surprises.

About payment to girls:

I prefer to deal with girls wanting rubles, in second option, dollars and never (never!) euros. This means three different ways to have sex with customers, rubles the best price/quality.

Therefore my question is: I need 10000 rubles per day, where can I get rubles? All rubles by my own bank in Italy, before to leave, or by an exchange office in Moscow, day per day?

[Pizdyets]

About renting a flat:

I am dealing with a Russian renting agency. This is my first time in Moscow and I hope that is not a fraud. Anyway, I am pretty surprised to find few Russian agencies with a modern credit card payment system, someone asks for Western Union payment (of course, I can't accept). So, I have suggested to pay by Paypal. I don't know if this is a good idea, but I had good rentings in Kiev with no bad surprises.


Sounds dodgy, moy tovarish. I wouldn't do this unless I knew someone who had successfully used their services before.



I prefer to deal with girls wanting rubles, in second option, dollars and never (never!) euros. This means three different ways to have sex with customers, rubles the best price/quality.


Huh? What's it matter? If they're demanding 10,000 rubles (~215 euros), and you get them to take 200 euros instead, isn't that good for you? Most WGs I've met don't give a shit. It's not like currency exchanges are exactly rare in Moscow.



Therefore my question is: I need 10000 rubles per day, where can I get rubles? All rubles by my own bank in Italy, before to leave, or by an exchange office in Moscow, day per day?

Just use a bankomat (ATM). I assume you have a debit card of some sort, this being the 21st century and all.

[AColonizer]

Thanxxx for help. It is necessary to add some details.

RUBLES OR EUROS

When a girl, in Kiev or in Moscow, ask for euros, she doesn't convert grivnas or rubles into euros but she applies an euro pricelist, that means 100/200 euros/hour, so with 200 euros but paid in rubles, a man could have sex for an overnight, but with 200 euros and paid in euros, a man could have sex for just one hour.

About this trouble, I have already received some replies from Moscow agencies with girls dedicated to English-people men, and I replied to them: "if I have to pay flight+accommodation+girls everything in euro pricelist, then it is cheaper and funnier to stay at home".

Moreover, I have collected hundreds of phone numbers from several sites of girls working on standard rate of 2500/3500 rubles/hour (mouth, pussy, ass included). I hope their pictures are not all fake but the question is: is reliable that rate or is that another big Slavic lie? Otherwise I really don't understand the reason that a lot of Ukrainian and Russian girls come to Italy and they provided hard sex with cheaper prices in Italy in comparison of their own origin countries. Logic helps a lot, and logic says: "because girls in Russia provide hard sex for low rates in comparison of West Europe".

Tochkas are very interesting, and here there is another important question: where and how can I meet tochkas? Which streets exactly? Which newspapers? Which phone numbers?

BANCOMAT

Yes, that's a good idea, even if my bank, like most Italian banks, applies a heavy fee and exchange rate everytime I get money abroad.


Sounds dodgy, moy tovarish. I wouldn't do this unless I knew someone who had successfully used their services before.

Huh? What's it matter? If they're demanding 10,000 rubles (~215 euros), and you get them to take 200 euros instead, isn't that good for you? Most WGs I've met don't give a shit. It's not like currency exchanges are exactly rare in Moscow.



Just use a bankomat (ATM). I assume you have a debit card of some sort, this being the 21st century and all.

[Pizdyets]

When a girl, in Kiev or in Moscow, ask for euros, she doesn't convert grivnas or rubles into euros but she applies an euro pricelist, that means 100/200 euros/hour, so with 200 euros but paid in rubles, a man could have sex for an overnight, but with 200 euros and paid in euros, a man could have sex for just one hour.

About this trouble, I have already received some replies from Moscow agencies with girls dedicated to English-people men, and I replied to them: "if I have to pay flight+accommodation+girls everything in euro pricelist, then it is cheaper and funnier to stay at home".


I guess my WGs are just smarter than yours, even if they speak little/no English. Like I said, they don't give a shit about the specific currency, as long as the obmen valyuti (monetary exchange - on virtually every street corner) will accept it.



Moreover, I have collected hundreds of phone numbers from several sites of girls working on standard rate of 2500/3500 rubles/hour (mouth, pussy, ass included). I hope their pictures are not all fake but the question is: is reliable that rate or is that another big Slavic lie? Otherwise I really don't understand the reason that a lot of Ukrainian and Russian girls come to Italy and they provided hard sex with cheaper prices in Italy in comparison of their own origin countries. Logic helps a lot, and logic says: "because girls in Russia provide hard sex for low rates in comparison of West Europe".


Oh God, let's not go through this conversation again. What makes you think that they would possibly charge the same? It's Economics 101, plain and simple.



Tochkas are very interesting, and here there is another important question: where and how can I meet tochkas? Which streets exactly? Which newspapers? Which phone numbers?


Newspapers? Phone numbers? Do you know something about tochki that I don't?

Since you're suspicious of Russian opinions from Russian men on Russian websites, I wish you luck, friendo.

[AColonizer]

It is clear I write in Arab: O


I guess my WGs are just smarter than yours, even if they speak little/no English. Like I said, they don't give a shit about the specific currency, as long as the obmen valyuti (monetary exchange. On virtually every street corner) will accept it.

Oh God, let's not go through this conversation again. What makes you think that they would possibly charge the same? It's Economics 101, plain and simple.

Newspapers? Phone numbers? Do you know something about tochki that I don't?

Since you're suspicious of Russian opinions from Russian men on Russian websites, I wish you luck, friendo.

[Stravinsky]

Moreover, I have collected hundreds of phone numbers from several sites of girls working on standard rate of 2500/3500 rubles/hourAcolonizer,

What on Earth will you do with hundreds of phone numbers???

You make the same mistake that everyone makes for the first trip to Moscow. You think that you can plan everything and be prepared. It's a natural and normal reaction, but, just as no battle plan can survive the first shot, Russia will confound even the best laid plans.

It is impossible to predict what will happen in Russia. Bring plenty of money, read this board and if possible, read the reports from the local Russian guys on sextalk.ru. They are the best and most reliable source of info.

And then, relax and enjoy life in Moscow as it happens. You may find what you are looking for, or you may not. But one thing is sure, it will be an unforgettable experience.

[AColonizer]

Yes, you're right! But what is your experience about those prices?

Are they real?

And are those real pictures?


Acolonizer,

What on Earth will you do with hundreds of phone numbers???

You make the same mistake that everyone makes for the first trip to Moscow. You think that you can plan everything and be prepared. It's a natural and normal reaction, but, just as no battle plan can survive the first shot, Russia will confound even the best laid plans.

It is impossible to predict what will happen in Russia. Bring plenty of money, read this board and if possible, read the reports from the local Russian guys on sextalk.ru. They are the best and most reliable source of info.

And then, relax and enjoy life in Moscow as it happens. You may find what you are looking for, or you may not. But one thing is sure, it will be an unforgettable experience.

[Stravinsky]

Yes, you're right! But what is your experience about those prices?

Are they real?

And are those real pictures?Good question.

Only 2 ways to know; go there and see for yourself or talk to someone who has.

If you have phone numbers, you can look them up in sextalk.ru or intimcity.ru We probably should post some specific instructions for researching sextalk and intimcity, but for now try this...

Go to intimcity.ru. At the top of the home page, you will see the word телефон, type in the telephone number and click on the найти button. You will see a list of all the girls who have used the telephone number before, there could be more than one. Open the page for each of the girls. Intimcity has a feature now that allows guys to rate the girls on a scale for various kinds of services. Check the girl's ratings. If she has been rated by a LOT of guys and they are all good, then you can be pretty sure she's OK.

You also want to check for things like;

фото проверено, this means someone has been there and certified that the girl in picture really exists.

соответствуют, means "in agreement" If you see "фото соответствуют", it means that the photo of the girl actually looks like her. If you see НЕ соответствуют, stay away, not in agreement.

As far as cost, the basic cost for sex in Moscow is about 2500/3000 rubles/hour, that's what the local guys are paying. If a girl is asking more than that, she better have something special to offer in the way of looks or service, otherwise she is just taking advantage.

Most important, don't allow yourself to become fixated on one plan. There was a guy who posted about his visit to Odessa a while back. The apartment agency put him into an apartment in a college girls' dormitory. Basically, they gave him the keys to Candyland. But, he was so fixated on nailing some dyev that he had been corresponding with for the previous six months that he could not recognize the opportunity that had been handed to him. So, he complained about the plumbing, and the lighting and the cheap curtains and had a terrible time. Nothing you can do with a guy like that.

Do your research, yes, but remember... what Russia takes away with one hand, it returns with the other. That hot Russian babe you're looking to face-fuck might not be the one you've been ogling on the internet for the last 6 months. She could also be the one in Евросет who sells you your SIMM Kartochka, or maybe she's the ice cream girl on the street, or the secretary sitting at the table next to you, waiting to meet Doc... :)

In Russia, all things are possible.

[Bez Bezarra]

Did I read the website changes correctly?

The Consular Division of the Russian Embassy in Washington will NOT accept ANY visa application anymore from individuals, THEY WILL ONLY PROCESS TOURIST VISA APPLICATION IF IT COMES FORM ONE OF THOSE 3 AGENCIES???

The ONLY choice is to send all documents to one of those 3 agencies FIRST?
They charge an extra $75 to forward it onward, after I've completed everything??

It said that the consulate will no longer accept applications "by mail". Does that mean they will accept applications by FEDEX?

But...the "agency" website says the consulate "discourages" individuals from submitting their own visa applications, because it is too difficult for the "average" person.

Well, if I've already sent 3 applications before, and had no problem, I think I can send another one, or is that too difficult for me?

What is the deal???

[Stravinsky]

BB,

There is no Russian Consulate in Washington, D.C. This is the location of the Russian Embassy. And, yes, it does look as if the Russian Embassy is no longer accepting visa apps directly by mail (or FEDEX).

This seems to be a policy of the Russian Embassy, since the Russian Consulate in San Francisco has not changed its visa procedures.

dobra pozhalovat Rossii (welcome to Russia)

[Pizdyets]

Did I read the website changes correctly?

The Consular Division of the Russian Embassy in Washington will NOT accept ANY visa application anymore from individuals, THEY WILL ONLY PROCESS TOURIST VISA APPLICATION IF IT COMES FORM ONE OF THOSE 3 AGENCIES???

The ONLY choice is to send all documents to one of those 3 agencies FIRST?
They charge an extra $75 to forward it onward, after I've completed everything??


Who wants to bet that those 3 agencies are all run by family members of the Russian embassy staff?

I have seen some Russian consulates giving favorable hours to agencies and relegating mere individuals to early morning times and/or making them sit in separate (longer) queues. But this is the first I've heard of them flat-out rejecting individuals.

[Jake993]

Who wants to bet that those 3 agencies are all run by family members of the Russian embassy staff?

I have seen some Russian consulates giving favorable hours to agencies and relegating mere individuals to early morning times and/or making them sit in separate (longer) queues. But this is the first I've heard of them flat-out rejecting individuals.Actually, It's not just the Embassy in Washington. It's all of the Russian Consulates as well. I happen to know the owner of an visa agency and as tantalizing as it might seem to believe, they have no connection to the Russian Consulates.

These agencies prepare document for consulates of ALL countries; not just Russia. The issue has to do with document preparation. The Russian consulate no longer want to be in the business of rejecting and sending incorrectly completed applications and writing letters about what's wrong with the application. With an individual who submits an application in person, they can point out what's wrong and allow you to make the correction and come back - sometimes on the same day. Applications prepared by agencies are almost always 100% correct and get processed quickly.

[Stravinsky]

Actually, It's not just the Embassy in Washington. It's all of the Russian Consulates as well.The website for the Russian Consulate in San Francisco indicates business as usual, no need to use 3rd party visa processing.

[Bez Bezarra]

I've submitted 3 applications in 3 years, and I'VE NEVER MADE 1 SINGLE MISTAKE!

SO FOR THAT, NOW I CAN NEVER SUBMIT ANOTHER ONE????

If I live on the US East Coast, I'm allowed to decide which consulate to send my visa application to?

That is, can I send to San Fran?

Or it has to be DC?

I'm getting the feeling that Russia don't want me to spend my money there no more. They really want me to give ALL my money to Ukraine????

I just don't get it :(

[Pizdyets]

I've submitted 3 applications in 3 years, and I'VE NEVER MADE 1 SINGLE MISTAKE!

SO FOR THAT, NOW I CAN NEVER SUBMIT ANOTHER ONE????

If I live on the US East Coast, I'm allowed to decide which consulate to send my visa application to?

That is, can I send to San Fran?

Or it has to be DC?

I'm getting the feeling that Russia don't want me to spend my money there no more. They really want me to give ALL my money to Ukraine????

I just don't get it :(

You can apply to any Russian consulate in the US, as long as you're a US citizen or have right to reside in the US for at least 90 days.

Russian bureaucracy has always been a pain in the ass and laws are inconsistently enforced, so it doesn't surprise me (again) that the SF consulate is more lenient than the others.

[It Travel]

About renting a flat:

I am dealing with a Russian renting agency. This is my first time in Moscow and I hope that is not a fraud. Anyway, I am pretty surprised to find few Russian agencies with a modern credit card payment system, someone asks for Western Union payment (of course, I can't accept). So, I have suggested to pay by Paypal. I don't know if this is a good idea, but I had good rentings in Kiev with no bad surprises.

About payment to girls:

I prefer to deal with girls wanting rubles, in second option, dollars and never (never!) euros. This means three different ways to have sex with customers, rubles the best price/quality.

Therefore my question is: I need 10000 rubles per day, where can I get rubles? All rubles by my own bank in Italy, before to leave, or by an exchange office in Moscow, day per day?


Two good systems and a suggestion...

Getting Roubles.
Just use a Credit Card (in a Bank or Hotel located ATM... for safety!) usually they will charge a 2.5% commission (check on your contract) but they apply a "real" exchange rate, Italian Bancomat (outside Euro area) are very expencive. Usually you can get out the equivalent of 250 Euro a day from a credit card.

Simply go to a change booth and change your Euros you brought cash remember two things... avoid 200 and 500 € bills and ask from your bank semi new ones bills I mean) and DECLARE THEM AT CUSTOMS no problem... They do not care at all if you change 2000 Euro, it's not Russia in 1992....

For girls...
Pay them in the currency they are quoted RUR, USD or EUR.... otherwise you will loose a lot... but if you take USD with you remember to ask the bank semi new bills (and ask also for 10 and 20 bills) two three weeks before... If you want you can even change EUR to USD in Moscow...

What More?
Rememeber that old USD notes (small President head) as big Euro notes, or very used ones are accepted only by big banks... and you will loose a lot of time...

As far as I know there is no way to get RUR in Italy... but despite that if you go in a Bank in France, specially in Nice you can get as many you want... I think it's the same in Slovenia.

IT

PS DO NOT FORGET TO REGISTER YOUR VISA!!!! OTHERWISE THEY WILL FINE YOU WHEN LEAVING AND IF YOU ARE NOT IN GOOD TIME YOU MIGHT LOOSE THE PLANE!!!!

[It Travel]

I've submitted 3 applications in 3 years, and I'VE NEVER MADE 1 SINGLE MISTAKE!

SO FOR THAT, NOW I CAN NEVER SUBMIT ANOTHER ONE????

If I live on the US East Coast, I'm allowed to decide which consulate to send my visa application to?

That is, can I send to San Fran?

Or it has to be DC?

I'm getting the feeling that Russia don't want me to spend my money there no more. They really want me to give ALL my money to Ukraine????

I just don't get it :(

Bez! I know I know.... that is one of the reason thet next year (changing the passport) I will go for the 5 years Business visa (already had 3 yearly ones) so it should not be a problem. So I can do and go where I want!

IT

PS it costs a lot in procedures, fees etc, approx 600 € but wort time saving and beeing without passport for weeks!

[Pizdyets]

Bez! I know I know.... that is one of the reason thet next year (changing the passport) I will go for the 5 years Business visa (already had 3 yearly ones) so it should not be a problem. So I can do and go where I want!

IT

PS it costs a lot in procedures, fees etc, approx 600 € but wort time saving and beeing without passport for weeks!

I heard that 5 year visas are only for EU citizens (other than UK, Ireland and Denmark for some reason - guessing reciprocity). But the same 90 out of 180 day restriction applies to multi-entry visas of any length. But if that applies to you - congrats!

[Eros74]

....Rememeber that old USD notes (small President head) as big Euro notes, or very used ones are accepted only by big banks... and you will loose a lot of time...

Besides that I like purple colour ;) , but neither in Samara or in Ufa, I got problem to change one banknote of 500 euro, even less in Moscow, Piter and the same here in Brazil.

For me they are very good, just 8 banknote and with 4.000 euro, it should be enough to have good fun for everybody everywhere LOL

[Fijiman]

I don't know if everyone has heard about this. It is a reverse image lookup. It allows you to take an escort photo from the internet, upload it to this search engine, and it lets you know if it finds any matches. Very useful as a defense against Bait&Switch.

[Fijiman]

I don't know if everyone has heard about this. It is a reverse image lookup. It allows you to take an escort photo from the internet, upload it to this search engine, and it lets you know if it finds any matches. Very useful as a defense against Bait&Switch.

http://tineye.com/

[Gergiev]

PS DO NOT FORGET TO REGISTER YOUR VISA!!!! OTHERWISE THEY WILL FINE YOU WHEN LEAVING AND IF YOU ARE NOT IN GOOD TIME YOU MIGHT LOOSE THE PLANE!!!!



Actually, under the new system (Jan 2007) the responsibility lies with your hotel or whatever so you cannot "do" this yourself and there is no longer a stamp on your immigration card so there is nothing to show at the airport.

[Kurenda]

Actually, under the new system (Jan 2007) the responsibility lies with your hotel or whatever so you cannot "do" this yourself and there is no longer a stamp on your immigration card so there is nothing to show at the airport.Are you sure about this?

Just returned from Russia and my migration card was stamped on the back with hotel stamp and signed by administrator. You don't need to "show" migration card at the airport, it is simply taken away.

If there is some problem with visa or registration acoording to russian law fine is 1800-3600$ and ban on entering.

I rarely register with hotel, since I stay at private apatment I usually register by myself in the OVIR (also possible at police station or post office).

[Doctor_Skank]

Actually, under the new system (Jan 2007) the responsibility lies with your hotel or whatever so you cannot "do" this yourself and there is no longer a stamp on your immigration card so there is nothing to show at the airport.I often don't register at all and haven't had a problem. I'm on a business visa though.

Also, whether or not the hotel stamps varies. In Moscow they don't, in St.Petersburg they do (at least summer 2008 they still did) etc.

[Gergiev]

I often don't register at all and haven't had a problem. I'm on a business visa though.

Also, whether or not the hotel stamps varies. In Moscow they don't, in St.Petersburg they do (at least summer 2008 they still did) etc.

As with all things Russian there tends to be confusion and inconsistency about all this.

Like yourself I've had my card stamped in St P but not in Moscow.

However the emphasis is now on the hotel or host to register you under the threat of a significant fine if they don't.

This has also lead to unnecessary registrations (ie under 72 hours) as they may not wish to take a chance or understand the law correctly.

So as you all may or may not be aware by now you can no longer (legally) be stopped by the Militsia in the street and fined or "shaken down" for non-registration as there is now nothing you can show them...


Kurenda, hats off to you if you register yourself with the OVIR.

How long does this normally take ???

Several hours at a time I would have guessed...

[Doctor_Skank]

Kurenda, hats off to you if you register yourself with the OVIR.

How long does this normally take ???

Several hours at a time I would have guessed...I understand one may register themselves at the post office now.

But if staying in a rental apartment, is this even possible? Don't you need something signed by the landlord/apartment owner?

[Bez Bezarra]

You can apply to any Russian consulate in the US, as long as you're a US citizen or have right to reside in the US for at least 90 days.



Right on the very first page of the official Russian consular web page, is the map of the USA that explains that the 5 consulates HAVE SPECIFIC JURISDICTIONS, depending on what state you are from.

AND IF YOU ARE FROM THE SOUTHEAST US, THE WASHINGTON DC CONSULTE HAS JURISDICTION!

Well, at least, that's what the website says. There is even a listing of every US state, and when you click on any southeast state, it links to Washington.

The ONLY states that San Fran has jurisdiction on are CA, OR, NV, CO, UT, AZ, and NM.

So if you are NOT from one of those 7 states, then YOU CANT SUBMIT YOUR VISA APP TO SAN FRAN!!

ANYBODY FROM THE US EAST COAST SEND YOUR VISA APPLICATION TO SAN FRANCISCO AND THEY PROCESSED IT???

[Pizdyets]

Kurenda, hats off to you if you register yourself with the OVIR.

How long does this normally take ???

Several hours at a time I would have guessed...

Takes me about an hour at the post office each time. Sometimes less. Not a big deal at all.

[Pizdyets]

Right on the very first page of the official Russian consular web page, is the map of the USA that explains that the 5 consulates HAVE SPECIFIC JURISDICTIONS, depending on what state you are from.

AND IF YOU ARE FROM THE SOUTHEAST US, THE WASHINGTON DC CONSULTE HAS JURISDICTION!

Well, at least, that's what the website says. There is even a listing of every US state, and when you click on any southeast state, it links to Washington.

The ONLY states that San Fran has jurisdiction on are CA, OR, NV, CO, UT, AZ, and NM.

So if you are NOT from one of those 7 states, then YOU CANT SUBMIT YOUR VISA APP TO SAN FRAN!!

ANYBODY FROM THE US EAST COAST SEND YOUR VISA APPLICATION TO SAN FRANCISCO AND THEY PROCESSED IT???

Bezzie - they don't care.

And you can always claim you permanently live in the land of Joseph Smith and are just visiting friends on the East Coast prior to your two year proselytizing mission abroad. LOL. Incidentally, that would be a sure-fire way to get rejected for a visa - they don't take too kindly to any religion other than Russian Orthodoxy - especially "evangelical" types.

[Doctor_Skank]

Takes me about an hour at the post office each time. Sometimes less. Not a big deal at all.YOu've got a legit address I understand. For those staying in short-term rental apartments I imagine it's different, i.e. you can't register yourself in an apartment you aren't legally staying in? I know the agencies can register you through some dodgy methods, but truthfully I haven't bothered with that in ages. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt me, but so far it hasn't (knock on wood).

[Pizdyets]

YOu've got a legit address I understand. For those staying in short-term rental apartments I imagine it's different, i.e. you can't register yourself in an apartment you aren't legally staying in? I know the agencies can register you through some dodgy methods, but truthfully I haven't bothered with that in ages. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt me, but so far it hasn't (knock on wood).

Good point - yes, I do have a legitmate address. Strav might know, as he registers himself at the post office too, though isn't a permanent resident like me.

[Stravinsky]

Last time I was in Moscow, last summer, I stayed in one of Rick's apartments and I had him register my passport, as usual. Irina came and picked up my passport, as usual, and when she returned, she handed me my passport and a pre-printed form that was, literally, torn off of a larger page of pre-printed forms. No stamp, no signature on the form, so I was curious. She told me that she now registers people at the Post Office. Interesting. Since the glavni pochtamt was right across the street, I went to see for myself. Spoke with one of the dyezhurnayas at the kassa and she confirmed that it is now possible for foreign citizens to register their passport at the Post Office.

They did not take my registration form from me at the airport. I know because I still have it, I'm looking at it right now. On one side, Irina obviously filled in my vital stats, and then there is a place for an address. The address she filled in is unknown to me, so I imagine that she also had to show them her narodni ID and wrote in her own address. On the other side, she filled in her complete name ИОФ, and signature with a stamp that simply says почта россий (Russian Post). Obviously, the government does not place a lot of importance on this since I was not present and there was no need for Irina to prove that I was actually staying with her. Though, they may become curious sometime whey they notice that Irina has a LOT of men visiting her! LOL

So, the 50 bucks I pay Rick is basically for Irina's time to go the Post Office and fill out the form, which is fine with me since my time is limited and I have better things to do than stand at the Post Office filling out forms. I suppose I could have one of my Muscovite friends do this for me with their ID and address, but then there would be 2 people standing at the PO wasting their time.

The point is... if someone tries to feed you some BS that that the process for registering your passport is very long and complicated involving the Militsia or the Dept. of Interior and costs hundreds of dollars, don't believe them. Any foreign citizen can register at the post office (in Moscow, at least), but it does seem that you need to have proof of your local address.

[Gergiev]

YOu've got a legit address I understand. For those staying in short-term rental apartments I imagine it's different, i.e. you can't register yourself in an apartment you aren't legally staying in?


Skank, always good to converse with as eminent a physician as yourself...

Actually what you've written above isn't necessarily the case.

For example, some of the hostels offer registration whether you stay with them or not.

I know that Sweet Hostel in Arbat for one used to offer this service at 700R a pop and probably still do.

As the cost of doing this at the Post Office is only of the order of 150-200R you can see what a 'nice little earner' this can be seeing as they are going there anyway to register their own guests.


Stravinsky has summed up the whole ethic behind this very well.

Consider if you're staying in a grossly overpriced Moscow hotel that part of the (unavoidable) expense is the inflated percentage you're paying for this service...which they're NOT going to give up because you've already done this for yourself and have your portion of the form to prove it...they'll just quote you the "relevant" law that states they are responsible for registering their guests and the significant fine they have to pay if they don't.


Perhaps Pizdyets or Kurenda might post exactly what they paid at the Post Office or OVIR ???

[Doctor_Skank]

Actually what you've written above isn't necessarily the case.

For example, some of the hostels offer registration whether you stay with them or not.

I know that Sweet Hostel in Arbat for one used to offer this service at 700R a pop and probably still do.
I know that G... every registration done for you when staying in an apartment short-term is a sham... they are always regsitering you in some place you aren't staying, whether it is some hotel somewhere or an apartment (like Ira's as Strav said) that you'll never see in your life.

My point is, if you are staying in an apartment short-term, how will YOU register yourself in some hotel or some apartment somewhere without any credentials that you are legitimately staying there?

The hostel or agency has a way to do this, some place to "put" you for the purposes of registration... but you won't, otherwise you'd already be registered there, right?

And of course they ain't doing it for free or out of the kindness of their heart. :)

[Kurenda]

Some answers for you gentlemen.

Registration at the OVIR is usually the gamble. Sometimes it can be finished very fast and sometimes it can last for ages. I usually don't stay in Moscow or stay for a short time. I'm usually in provinces, in far away places and small places. My fastest time to register at OVIR is 20 minutes and the longest is 7 hours. The reason was small town - no foreigners arrived - no need to register anyone. And they simply did not had any forms to fill. At ovir you have to fill "arrival notification" or in russian уведомление о прибитии иностранного граждадина (sorry if this is not correct). This a big paper which has to bi filled on both sided and then cut in half and you keep one part. Basically this is not used to register at the hotel but at the privet apartment. I usually stay that way. Not renting but staying with the friends.
Owner of the apartment should be present ther with you at the registration. But I only take passport of the owner and this is it. But this is not recommended to typical foreginer. You need to know russian laguage to fill in the form and be ready to deal with russian administraion machine. There are agencies who will do it for you but of course for hard cash as many of you might know. As Doctor Skank said there is no need to register at the private apartment because there must be owner of the apartment present there with you. This is not by law but there should not be problems. Of course there is always a risk. I visit Russia from long time ago back in the times of USSR and then the only way to register was OVIR so I stick with that.
Registration in the police and post office is also posible. But to register at the post office you need address of staying. Recently I registered at the post office in Samara. The part of the post for the registered and valuable letters. It was easy, I finished in about 15 minutes. A legal address is needed, so I had with me my host and I was registered at his address as his guest.

Since I'm sure 95% of foreign visitors are staying in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Hotel will finish everything for you. But if you are in Norilsk in far Siberia it is good to know some other options.

Now there is talking here about russian visas.Russian government approved new regulations about visas in september 2008. Registration in post office and police is from this new regulations but also osme new visa regulations:

- now it is only possible to get russian visa in country whose citizen you are.

- vissa issuing last now 15 days (before it was the more you pay the faster you get the visa)

Anybody having some expericances with this?

Strav it is possible your migration card is not taken at the airport. It is less work because all those migration cards has to be processed. I often leave Russian at the ground border and I saw many times my migration card it simply thrown away in the garbage. Some customs workers will do their job properly and some don't care.
If you want to save 50 bucks you can have your friends in Moscow register you at their address. It is the same as Irina did for you but it is a question if you can really save that money.

There are many ways for Russians to take money out of the foreigner. And that "visa registration" is just one of them. Registration at the post office is no problem at all but you need to have a local address of staying. And this is what most foreigners simply don't have.

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[Kurenda]

Gergiev I payed registration in Samara post office 170 rubels.

Price at OVIR depends on period of staying.

Up to 15 days it is 700 rubels, up to 30 days 1200 rubles.

But sometime you don't even need to pay. As usually you can give some small bribe or even you get free registration in the place where foreigners are not a usual thing.
Registration is obligatory in Russia and there can be problems sometimes.

Here's how registration form in the OVIR looks. Guess most of you will not be ready to go with this.

This pdf file I hope it will be attached.

[Stravinsky]

Doc,

I think you're right, not much you can do for a short term stay as a tourist. But, if you are in Russia with a business visa, then you should be able to use your business address to register at the post office. I don't think they really care what the address is, as long as they have someplace where they can go to pick you up, you know... just in case they want to deport you.

There is a blank space on the back of the PO form for a "печать организации" [organization stamp]. Get a form from the PO and have your Russian business partner put his печать [stamp] on it. You know how Russians love stamps. Once you have your печать организации on there, you are cleared all the way up to Gospodin Putin!

[Gergiev]

My point is, if you are staying in an apartment short-term, how will YOU register yourself in some hotel or some apartment somewhere without any credentials that you are legitimately staying there?


Doc, not sure we're on the same wavelength here.

YOU don't have to do anything as there is no longer any legal requirement on you to either insist on your own registration or carry anything with you to that effect (although as mentioned before some places still stamp the migration card out of habit or caution).

Strictly speaking it's the responsibility of whoever owns the flat or apartment you instance to see that you are registered.

[Bez Bezarra]

if the process for registering your passport is very long and complicated involving the Militsia and costs hundreds of dollars, don't believe them.

A foreign citizen can register at the post office (in Moscow, at least),

but you need to have proof of your local address.



Ok, ok! I'm not really a total asshole ;)

I told this story 3 years ago, back when my travel agent claimed that all tourists are required to go to medical clinic to obtain SIDA documents, which took 3 days, so when I finally got back to their office with my papers, I had obviously missed the 2 day deadline to register, so I had to go to the Police station and sit for 5 hours, get my fingerprints, get 2 photos, get questioned by 6 officers about why I was late, and then my travel agent charged me $275! No it wasn't Moscow, but it was no small town either.

But, it WAS by far the world's most stupid waste of time, and the most ridiculous rip-off. If it had not been for the quality and quantity of female companionship that I found there, I never would have returned, but the essence of that pizda is so deeply engrained in my bones, that I will never stop going there.

So I am looking forward to going to the post office this time, but what exactly is considered "proof" of my local apartment address?

[Doctor_Skank]

Doc, not sure we're on the same wavelength here.

YOU don't have to do anything as there is no longer any legal requirement on you to either insist on your own registration or carry anything with you to that effect (although as mentioned before some places still stamp the migration card out of habit or caution).

Strictly speaking it's the responsibility of whoever owns the flat or apartment you instance to see that you are registered.I get it. So there is no reason to get registered at all? And when and if the police ask for registration you just tell them you are in apartment so and so? Or tell them what exactly?

[Latexian2]

I get it. So there is no reason to get registered at all? And when and if the police ask for registration you just tell them you are in apartment so and so? Or tell them what exactly?You tell them you have been in your current location (whichever city) for only one day (since you have 72 working day hours to get registered) and will take care of it tomorrow.

[Stravinsky]

So I am looking forward to going to the post office this time, but what exactly is considered "proof" of my local apartment address?You need an "official" document issued by a government agency which shows your address. Every (adult) Russian citizen will have an identity card of some kind issued by the RF which shows their address.

Of course, as a tourist staying in an apartment for a few days or weeks, there is nothing you can show to the post office to prove your address. This is why someone else, who has proof of their address, will have to do it for you. But, registering at the post office is now a fairly simple and inexpesive process, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[Stravinsky]

Russian government approved new regulations about visas in september 2008. Registration in post office and police is from this new regulations but also some new visa regulationsKurenda,

Are these new regulations published anywere, like on the internet? It would be interesting to read them.

[Stravinsky]

Here's how registration form in the OVIR looks. Guess most of you will not be ready to go with this.Yes! This is the exact same form used by the Post Office in Moscow. Someone laid a ruler down on the dotted line and tore off the bottom part. This is what Irina gave to me.

[Gergiev]

I get it. So there is no reason to get registered at all?

Doc, yes there IS a reason but no reason for YOU to worry about or instigate registration.

The onus is all on your host whether commercial or personal acquaintance.

The tourist/visitor has now been removed from the registration equation...

(Unless as we discussed before you want to save some money, avoid being over-charged for it or spare friends a fair bit of inconvenience).


And when and if the police ask for registration you just tell them you are in apartment so and so? Or tell them what exactly?


You show them your passport and visa (photo-copies recommended).

They have no business asking you for proof registration anymore.

On the off-chance that you run into an officer or two who fancy you're going to be the sponsor of their next night out by levying an 'on-the-spot' fine for "non-registration" through your ignorance, you tell them you either want to go directly to the police station with them and/or you will get immediately in touch with your embassy.

The conventional wisdom is that this is best communicated through the medium of English even if you are a Russian speaker.

Here endeth the matter...



Don't know your circumstances but if I understand correctly you're staying in a short-term apartment so why is there a problem with the landlord registering you him/herself ???

Unless it belongs to a friend and you wish to spare them the hassle then Kurenda's post is very helpful.

Unfortunately the deeper we go into this the more capacity for confusion but the gist is included above...

All clear ???

[Stravinsky]

Gergiev,

It's difficult for us to accept what you say because it goes against all of our experience until now.

I take it there has been some recent change in Russian law which specifies that foreign citizens traveling in Russia are no longer responsible to provide proof of registration on demand?

If so, any place we can go to find corroboration of this?

We just want to be sure that we have some legal footing before we tell the Militsia to "Идите к черту" [go to the devil].

[Kurenda]

Strav,

Yes this informations are published on official website of russian Foregin ministry. I've read them there last year.

The address is:

www.mid.ru

Everything is in russian language!

Click on "Консульские вопросы" and then on "Текущая информация"

There you have informations by date, try september 2008 or near.

There shuold by listed MS Word format documents about visa issuing for foreginers and registrations. There are whole bunch od laws from 1995, 1998, 2002, 2003, etc. It is obvius Russia is changig this laws every two years and they are usually not publiclly available. Result is that many foreginers as well as russian citizens are confused and don't know what to do. So there is pleany of space to rip off - foreginers of course.

The registration document I posted is the one from the OVIR and yes it is use in the post offices now. Check the year it is 2006 and then it was not possible to register at the post office. Original OVIR forms have a red serial number and line where form is separated is machine perforated. Post office forms are photocopy and torn by hand as you say. You receive a bottom part. Keep in mind this document is needed as proof that you are registred at the street adress (not hotel) in case you need to proove you're staying somewhere - if you stopped by police, in medical emergency, etc. when leaving the Russian at the border you are not ask for this document but only for migration card (sometimes not for it either).

Strav, about ""печать организации". Keep in mind this stamp is not a proof of registration. If you are foreginer it only means that you have a bussines with your parters in Russia or that you are working for them. Foreign students at russian universities have there stamp of their university. Which only shows they study there. They must have registration at student dormitory or street address where they are staying. This "печать организации" shows to police or FSB the place of your bussines deal and at the same time you can stay in the hotel and be registred there.

This form for post office registration clearly says "must be filled in russian language, clearly in capital letter, using black or dark blue ink pen".

So if you don't speak russian it is obvious someone must do this for you.

In order to register at the post office you must have a document with address of your "host" (ID card or passport) so his address can be put in the form. Of course this "host" must be registered in Moscow (for example) address also because russian citizens must be registred in their place of living. This is called "propiska". So you can not register at the street address in Moscow if your "host" have his registration at address in Novosibirsk and is living illegally in Moscow. You must have your "host" there to put his address in the form. Or you can do it for yourself (if your russian is good enough) and your "host" is willing to give you his document. This is only done if you're their good friend or pay hard cash. But surelly it is much less than those agencies "fast and easy registration - 250$".

Pay attention there is another registration form. It looks like this:

http://www.fmsrf.ru/images/documents/raz_vp/raz_vp.jpg
This is for temporaly staying in russian territory 6-12 months for non commercial purposes. Like students, artists, cultural exchange, etc. For legal work there is different form.

If you are staying at the hotel, they have obligation to register you as their guest. You don't need to do anything in this case. As we can see some hotels stamps migration card and some don't. But be sure they have you in their computer just in case someone is looking for you. Actually this is very usefull because there is proof you really arrived in Russia. According to official data 265 persons from "distant abroad" are reported missing in Russia in 2008.

To clear things about registration.

According to russian law all foreginer citizens who are staying in Russia longer than 3 days must register within 72 hours. This is 3 working days, without weekends. Also if you are staying for example a week in Moscow and then want to go to St. Petersburg again you must register in 3 days at new place/hotel.

Many of the people here arrive to Moscow for a short period of few days.

Simply for that time you don't need to register and also be completelly legal.

Temp your time to arrive Friday as earlier as possible (so you can use this day). You arrive at the airport and you migration card is stamped with Friday date. So now you have three days to register. Friday at midnight is day one. Then there comes Saturday and Sunday which doesn't count. After weekend is Monday (day two for registration), Tuesday (day three for registration - by midnight). So simply you enjoy total of 5 days with registration. Plan to arrive as early on Friday and leave as late as possible on Tuesday but before midnight. So you can make the most of your time for fun, bussiness, anything else. Of course if you're staying in hotel then this doesn't matter. But it is usefull for those who stay in rented apartment for short period of time and those people who are arriving for the first time in Russia (Moscow or St. Petersburg where most people usually go).

Also there are other trick how to stay even longer in Russia without registration for a long period. I usually stay in Russia for the whole month and I don't register for the most period of time. I usually move along from city to city. I in the hotel in Moscow, the one who will stamp your migration card. Then I insist to pay my bill day by day. The hotel administration puts a stamp on the back of the migration card saying I'm registered for that day only. Tommorrow I pay for another day and get another stamp saying I'm registered for one day more. And so on and untill I get 5-6 stamps on the back on the migration card depending on the size of the stamps. And then simply there are no more empty space on the back on migration card to add new stamps. You can not recieve new migration card since they comein pair and hotel staff simply don't add you new stamps. So it's time to change your locatin. Moving in with some dyev in Moscow who will take you in and there is no need to register. If you are stoped by cops you can always explain that migration card is full. Or you can head on to some other city and don't bother to register there. Example is if you'r renting apartment in St. Petersburg. If you're stopped by cops and they see you have registration at the Moscow hotel but not registration in St. Petersburg you say you just arrived that day and and need to stay in hotel. And just repeat the same story over and over again when you're stoped by cops. And in most cases this is never. Only if you have bad luck and you're stopped by twice by the same cop and he recognizes you - but whatare the chances for this? When you return, at the airport they will see you had your registration on migration card and it's not your fault it's full.

About the information police doesn't have the right to stop tourist/visitor and ask for registration I doubt this is true. According to russian law the fine for problems with via or registration is 1800- 3600$ in cash and ban on entering Russia for 5 or 10 years (valid for Belarus also). So it is better not to confront police and getting in the arguments with them. Of course don't give them your money but keep this in mind. You are in their country and they are authority and usually it's they who are in the right.

Gents, sorry for such a long post but I hope you will find some usefull info here.

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[Gergiev]

Gergiev,

It's difficult for us to accept what you say because it goes against all of our experience until now.

I take it there has been some recent change in Russian law which specifies that foreign citizens traveling in Russia are no longer responsible to provide proof of registration on demand?

If so, any place we can go to find corroboration of this?

We just want to be sure that we have some legal footing before we tell the Militsia to "Идите к черту" [go to the devil].

Strav, the changes I'm referring to occurred in Jan 2007.

I don't have the documents to hand that I had back then but I'll post the following below from the excellent waytorussia site...

www.waytorussia.net

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The new Russian visa registration procedure came into force on 15 January 2007. We've been waiting for a few days before posting this information to get some clarifications from the officials and now have all the details to explain the changes.

Basically, the registration procedure is much easier now. The registration can be submitted by post and you get a special confirmation that this was done, which is the proof of registration (no more stamps).
You don't have to do everything by yourself. Just go to the agency that provided your visa support and they'll do the registration for you instantly just by submitting a special paper to migration officials by post. Doing it once will suffice.
If you order your visa support through the companies advertised on Way to Russia, they will all be able to provide you the registration, whether you're on a tourist or a business visa. It's going to be instant, as they will just have to send your info to the authorities and give you the confirmation.

The other good news is that the Russian police (in all cities!) was instructed NOT to stop foreigners for registration checks any more. They can still do it if they have a special operation against terrorism going on. But from now on if anybody stops you for a routine check, just demand their number ("vash nomer") and tell them that you'll complain in MVD (Ministry of Internal Affairs). That will send them off.

Note, that even though the rules came into force on 15 Jan, it'll take a couple of month for the authorities to get used to them and to issue the new registration forms.
In the meanwhile, just get your registration in the office of your inviting company or at OVIR if the city you're visiting doesn't have an office of your inviting organization (a copy of your invitation will suffice for them to register you and if any other document is required, our partner visa company will provide them at no charge for those who ordered invitations through way to russia).

Since there's no paperwork and no centralized computer database available yet, a simple answer that registration took place in the
cities visited during the trip should suffice if you are inquired about your registration at the passport control or by police. It's still recommended to register, but the new rules make it very hard for the authorities to prosecute you before they issue the official new registration form and set up the database.


Here is a detailed explanation of the new registration process:

1. Every foreigner who arrives to Russia still has to register the visa. However, the procedure became much easier.

2. The registration can be made by the "accommodating" party, which can be anything: from the hotel where you're staying, to your landlord. It can also be the organization, which provided your visa support, but not necessarily. Basically, now you can choose who registers you, whatever is easier.

3. The "accommodating" party just needs to fill out a special registration form and send it by post to the officials. You will get the second part of this form confirming that your registration has been submitted (called "talon"). That is your registration and you should carry it with you. No more stamps.

4. Migration cards will still be required, but they are completely separate from the registration now.

5. When you leave Russia you should give the second part of your registration form to the "accommodating" party and they should submit it to the migration officials within 24 hours. If that doesn't happen, you're blacklisted, which may incur problems when you visit Russia again.
That's why we recommend you do your registration through reliable organizations (or people). Basically, if you want to be 100% sure it's better to do everything through your hotel (if you trust them) or the company that arranged your visa support.

6. You still need to inform the authorities about your stay in each city where you spend more than 3 business days. But then of course they don't have any way of knowing when you arrived...

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If you read down you'll see the relevant section regarding the police situation.

This is also the change in the law that enables Kurenda or yourself or whoever to complete registration in the Post Office instead of wasting a complete day or so in the OVIR.

Let me put it back to you like this...

In the last two years how many people do you know have been stopped and fined by the Militsa for non-proof of registration ?

The only place where you do produce your migration card is at the point of departure which now doesn't have to carry the registration stamp anymore.

So thousands of people are leaving Russia every day now without producing "proof" of registration if you understand my point...

In fact some of these will never have registered at all but that's another story...

I'm a little pushed for time right now so could have written more thoroughly but have a look at the above and tell me what you think or if you have direct or anecdotal evidence to contradict my reasoning...

[Gergiev]

Gergiev I payed registration in Samara post office 170 rubels.


That's around what I would have expected.

I think it was either 120R or 140R when introduced in 2007.



Registration is obligatory in Russia and there can be problems sometimes.


"Officially" it is but actually there is some legal and empirical evidence that in some cases it's not.

For example if you spend time in Russia and don't exceed 3 "business" days in any one location, it's a moot point whether you do need to register or not.

I know of some people who have done just this and exited the country no problem under the "new" system (no reg stamp on migration card).

The official line is that you must be registered within your first 72 hours but some visitors are chancing it based on the above situation and I haven't heard yet of any of the ones that I know of having problems.

I'm just pointing this out btw and not advocating such an approach...

[Gergiev]

[QUOTE=Kurenda]Are you sure about this?

Just returned from Russia and my migration card was stamped on the back with hotel stamp and signed by administrator. You don't need to "show" migration card at the airport, it is simply taken away.[QUOTE]

Kurenda, there is no longer a requirement to stamp the card but some hotels or hostels still do so.

For example, on my last trip I got a stamp on the card in one city and a receipt and no stamp in another...

[Gergiev]

Some answers for you gentlemen.

Registration at the OVIR is usually the gamble. Sometimes it can be finished very fast and sometimes it can last for ages. I usually don't stay in Moscow or stay for a short time. I'm usually in provinces, in far away places and small places. My fastest time to register at OVIR is 20 minutes and the longest is 7 hours. The reason was small town - no foreigners arrived - no need to register anyone. And they simply did not had any forms to fill. At ovir you have to fill "arrival notification" or in russian уведомление о прибитии иностранного граждадина (sorry if this is not correct). This a big paper which has to bi filled on both sided and then cut in half and you keep one part. Basically this is not used to register at the hotel but at the privet apartment. I usually stay that way. Not renting but staying with the friends.
Owner of the apartment should be present ther with you at the registration. But I only take passport of the owner and this is it. But this is not recommended to typical foreginer. You need to know russian laguage to fill in the form and be ready to deal with russian administraion machine. There are agencies who will do it for you but of course for hard cash as many of you might know. As Doctor Skank said there is no need to register at the private apartment because there must be owner of the apartment present there with you. This is not by law but there should not be problems. Of course there is always a risk. I visit Russia from long time ago back in the times of USSR and then the only way to register was OVIR so I stick with that.
Registration in the police and post office is also posible. But to register at the post office you need address of staying. Recently I registered at the post office in Samara. The part of the post for the registered and valuable letters. It was easy, I finished in about 15 minutes. A legal address is needed, so I had with me my host and I was registered at his address as his guest.

Since I'm sure 95% of foreign visitors are staying in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Hotel will finish everything for you. But if you are in Norilsk in far Siberia it is good to know some other options.

Now there is talking here about russian visas.Russian government approved new regulations about visas in september 2008. Registration in post office and police is from this new regulations but also osme new visa regulations:

- now it is only possible to get russian visa in country whose citizen you are.

- vissa issuing last now 15 days (before it was the more you pay the faster you get the visa)

Anybody having some expericances with this?

Strav it is possible your migration card is not taken at the airport. It is less work because all those migration cards has to be processed. I often leave Russian at the ground border and I saw many times my migration card it simply thrown away in the garbage. Some customs workers will do their job properly and some don't care.
If you want to save 50 bucks you can have your friends in Moscow register you at their address. It is the same as Irina did for you but it is a question if you can really save that money.

There are many ways for Russians to take money out of the foreigner. And that "visa registration" is just one of them. Registration at the post office is no problem at all but you need to have a local address of staying. And this is what most foreigners simply don't have.

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Kurenda, thanks for that.

Very good report which covers a lot of the ground recently chewed over here.

Take your point about "visa registration" being a way to fleece foreigners.

On a previous visit I travelled (legally) around 5 cities on one registration whereas some uninformed visitors might have ended up paying 5 times for this "service" at unreasonable hotel registration rates...

[Doctor_Skank]

Any ideas on how to get the sweet smell of ass off your hands, dick and face?

Showering and scrubbing have only been 80% effective and my ex is showing up in about an hour. Girls can smell other girls about 100 meters away and not only does my entire apartment smell like ass and sex, but so do I.

Thoughts?

[Stravinsky]

Doc,

At this point I think there are only 2 options;

1. Cover up the smell with something else, and then make an excuse about it. You are burning incense because you just became a Buddhist. Or you started smoking cigars in honor of Fyedor Castrov.

2. Make up some excuse about why you are wearing perfume. Maybe you were shopping at TSUM and got spritzed by one of the perfume girls. Doesn't really explain how you got it on your dick though...

[Kurenda]

Gergiev, hope my posts clarified some things.

But be sure of one thing. Russian governmen is changig visa and registration regulations all the time. Most people in Russia and abroad and simply not familiar with that. Which leads to lots of confusion. Way to Russia is just a place on the net. If you check their forum about visa you will see there are many people who need to resolve their doubts and questions about Russian visa.

But on the other hand it's not that bad. Visa and registration in Russia is peace of cake when compared to Belarus. There is real pain in the ass.

Doc, try choping larger quantity of onion.

Also pour beer in few glases and let then stay there.

[Bez Bezarra]

As my ex is showing up my entire apartment smell like ass.



if she's YOUR ex, she probably expects you to still have your tongue in some teen's colon.

[Pizdyets]

Now there is talking here about russian visas.Russian government approved new regulations about visas in september 2008. Registration in post office and police is from this new regulations but also osme new visa regulations:

- now it is only possible to get russian visa in country whose citizen you are.

- vissa issuing last now 15 days (before it was the more you pay the faster you get the visa)

Anybody having some expericances with this?

When were these supposed to take effect? As far as I've heard, it's still permitted to get a visa in any country where one may reside for at least 90 days. There was one exception, as I recall, for German citizens (no doubt due to reciprocity) as they may only receive a visa in Germany. And time required depends upon the particular consulate but usually takes only a day or two if expedited.

Can you give a link for these new regulations?

[Kurenda]

Pizdyets,

I posted a link about this in one of my previous posts. It's official link of russian Foreign ministry.

The current direction of the russian government is to make visa agreements with individual countries. The agreements are different depending on the country - reciprocity is always present.

Last I know is about Norway. Russia and Norway signed visa agreement taking effect from November 2008. It says than norwegian citizens can get their visa in Oslo only (in russian embassy) and the process in minimum 10 days. This is valid for tourist visas up to 30 days. For other type of visas there will be new agreement "after talks of both sides".

Of course all this is just a regualtion. In russian terms it means it can be uphold seriously and also not.

As I said before russian visa regualtions are changing all the time and this is not public process, which makes thing confusing. If anyone can check website of russian migration agency there is a forum where thousands of people ask various questions about visas. Both about russian citizens going abroad and foreigners coming to Russia.

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[Doctor_Skank]

When were these supposed to take effect? As far as I've heard, it's still permitted to get a visa in any country where one may reside for at least 90 days. There was one exception, as I recall, for German citizens (no doubt due to reciprocity) as they may only receive a visa in Germany. And time required depends upon the particular consulate but usually takes only a day or two if expedited.

Can you give a link for these new regulations?According to a visa website I read you may get a visa in any country in which you have a residency permit.

[Pizdyets]

According to a visa website I read you may get a visa in any country in which you have a residency permit.

Residence permit implies right to reside for 90 days, I think. But the converse is not necessarily true.

[Gergiev]

if she's YOUR ex, she probably expects you to still have your tongue in some teen's colon.

You always get a better class of abuse from Bez. )))

[Gergiev]

Gergiev,

It's difficult for us to accept what you say because it goes against all of our experience until now.


Strav, just before this topic recedes into the distance I'm just trying to surmise what you mean by this?

A literal reading would be that either yourself or people you know are still getting stopped on the street by militsia and fined there and then; ie "shaken down" (as opposed to a "real" fine in police station or court)...

Is this literally what you meant by this or ???

[Stravinsky]

either yourself or people you know are still getting stopped on the street by militsia and fined there and then; ie "shaken down" Is this literally what you meant by this or ???Yes

Last summer I walked out of HD and damn near ran into a couple of Bogatyrs who were standing there on the front steps. They were in the process of shaking down some poor shmuck; flashlights drawn, inspecting his dokumenti.

I didn't stop to inquire of the officers as to just exactly what they were doing, you understand, but it seemed to me from the look on their victim's face that this is what was happening. There but for fortune...

And I don't think it's a co-incidence it happened on the front steps of HD.

There is the letter of the law, the intent of the law and then the enforcement of the law. They should all be the same, but most times they are not, particularly in Russia. So, before we all start invoking the authority of the Ministry of the Interior of the Russkaya Federatsia on the front steps of HD with flashlights in our face... I just wanted to make sure we had our ducks in a row. That's all :)

[Kurenda]

A little info on militsia stopping on the street.

Not my direct experiance, but by someone I know.

Fresh info from January this year.

Younger german guy, music student living in Moscow in student dormitory.

Speaks and understands Russian language, he's no expert of course.

Just enough knowledge to buy metro pass, order a beer in the bar and simple lunch in cheap restaurant. Not capable of having a coversation in Russian.

We were talking about this militsia stopping on the street. Of foreigners of course. He told me he was stopped by militsia 6 times in 2008.

Three times in the metro, two times on the street in various parts of the town and once on the street near his student dormitory.

In the metro he was always stopped in the morning while going to his university. On the street both times in early afternoon, near his dormitory he was stopped in the early night.

The question is why he was stopped? By his look he's tallish blond guy, can easily pass for Russian so no problem about his look. He weats casual clothes and sneakers, he's no suit and tie guy in expencive clothes but also no bum in dirty rags. He has his backpack with him all the time and always use public transport. No limo with driver for him.

In all 6 times he was stopped it was in various times in the year. The only time he was not stopped were two months in summer when he was back home in Germany. Total damage for all the times he was stopped was more than 300 euros in roubles.

It was intriging for me why he was stopped anyway. It tourned out when he was stopped he wasn't drunk or anything, acting suspicious, he was always alone and he didn't spoke german on cell phone.

He usually was stopped by 2-3 cops from which one was always older then the rest. They would ask him for his passport, no photocopy but originall. Once he tried to fake he left his passport in the room and cops reaction on that was "come with us to the station". Then he was asked for his registration documents and one cop was using the radio to check his visa and registration if everything is in order. The rest of them were asking him question like where he's been and where he's going and checking the content of his backpack. Now the thing is that cops never asked him directly for money like "pay to let you go". They were just keeping him there for 10-15 minutes untill he offered them money. Amout of 1000-1500 rubles or so. Cops were always polite, never pushy, threatening.

German guy also told me he knows some other foreign students being stopped by police.

For me the reason is still unknown why he was stopped. Maybe because he was young and maybe junkie, or his backpack was the reason like "terrorism".

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[Gergiev]

And I don't think it's a co-incidence it happened on the front steps of HD.


I take your point and would agree that somebody stopped outside one of the late night haunts so beloved of visitors, ex-pats etc would be considered an easy target for "our friends in uniform".

In fact I believe that's what was happening wholesale a few years back in Moscow and also in St P and the volume of complaints to various embassies as a result was a major contributing factor in the 2007 legal changes I referred to.



There is the letter of the law, the intent of the law and then the enforcement of the law. They should all be the same, but most times they are not, particularly in Russia. So, before we all start invoking the authority of the Ministry of the Interior of the Russkaya Federatsia on the front steps of HD with flashlights in our face... I just wanted to make sure we had our ducks in a row.

Amen to that...

The only reason I posted was that reading here from time to time I get the impression that some visitors are paying over the odds for "registrations" that they may not even need or could be getting for a lot of cheaper.

When you consider then the amount of space taken up around here debating the price of everything from cover charges to "take-aways" at NF then the cost of an unnecessary "reg" or two could fund copious food, drinks, taxis etc on a night out.

But this is Russia after all :)

[Gergiev]

According to russian law all foreginer citizens who are staying in Russia longer than 3 days must register within 72 hours. This is 3 working days, without weekends. Also if you are staying for example a week in Moscow and then want to go to St. Petersburg again you must register in 3 days at new place/hotel.

Many of the people here arrive to Moscow for a short period of few days.

Simply for that time you don't need to register and also be completelly legal.

Temp your time to arrive Friday as earlier as possible (so you can use this day). You arrive at the airport and you migration card is stamped with Friday date. So now you have three days to register. Friday at midnight is day one. Then there comes Saturday and Sunday which doesn't count. After weekend is Monday (day two for registration), Tuesday (day three for registration - by midnight). So simply you enjoy total of 5 days with registration. Plan to arrive as early on Friday and leave as late as possible on Tuesday but before midnight. So you can make the most of your time for fun, bussiness, anything else. Of course if you're staying in hotel then this doesn't matter. But it is usefull for those who stay in rented apartment for short period of time and those people who are arriving for the first time in Russia (Moscow or St. Petersburg where most people usually go).


Kurenda, I've done this myself exactly as you write but I also know there is an opinion that you must regsiter WITHIN the third day, ie on the Tuesday in the example you instance above...so in other words if you go beyond 2 nights and into any part of the third day then you are obligated to have registration ???

Have you come across this opinion ???



According to russian law the fine for problems with via or registration is 1800- 3600$ in cash and ban on entering Russia for 5 or 10 years (valid for Belarus also). So it is better not to confront police and getting in the arguments with them. Of course don't give them your money but keep this in mind. You are in their country and they are authority and usually it's they who are in the right.


Are you sure about these figures; they look very high indeed.

Unfortunately my computer went down last year and took all my Russian files with it but my notes tell me the fine for the tourist are/were up to a maximum of 5000R (Jan 2007).

Fines for law transgressing Travel Agencies were up to 800,000R however and cancellation of permit on second offence.

Does this ring a bell or ???

[Gergiev]

But be sure of one thing. Russian governmen is changig visa and registration regulations all the time. Most people in Russia and abroad and simply not familiar with that. Which leads to lots of confusion. Way to Russia is just a place on the net. If you check their forum about visa you will see there are many people who need to resolve their doubts and questions about Russian visa.


Kurenda, I take your point about WaytoRussia.

The reason I referred back there is because I don't have my old files anymore.

Their Visa Forum is as you say filled with lots of different opinions however I've always found the postings of the Moderator there to be very exact.


Final point we should make perhaps is the date you enter on the Migration Card.

It's important to put the same dates on the Migration Card as on the Visa.

If you have a 30 day Tourist Visa and are only staying 20 days make sure to still fill in 30 days on the Migration card as you are stuck with whatever time period you enter there.

So if you only enter 20 days on the Migration Card and then decide to stay 22 because you have a 30 day Visa, you are going to be in trouble.

A fine, deportation and no readmission for 5 years+ is what you're looking at as far as I am aware...

[Pizdyets]

The question is why he was stopped? By his look he's tallish blond guy, can easily pass for Russian so no problem about his look. He weats casual clothes and sneakers, he's no suit and tie guy in expencive clothes but also no bum in dirty rags. He has his backpack with him all the time and always use public transport. No limo with driver for him.

In all 6 times he was stopped it was in various times in the year. The only time he was not stopped were two months in summer when he was back home in Germany. Total damage for all the times he was stopped was more than 300 euros in roubles.

Are you sure he's not dressing like a bum? Maybe that's a subjective topic though... Fair-skinned people very rarely get stopped and when they do - it's almost always because they're shit-faced drunk or dressed shabbily.

In my years and years of living here, I've never been stopped. And it's not from leading a shuttered teetotalling existence. :)

Here's my advice from my friends/colleagues who have been stopped. If you have time, simply go with them to their station and wait it out. They will eventually give up, even if you were in the wrong. If you don't have time, then offer to pay 500R.

[Pizdyets]

It's important to put the same dates on the Migration Card as on the Visa.

If you have a 30 day Tourist Visa and are only staying 20 days make sure to still fill in 30 days on the Migration card as you are stuck with whatever time period you enter there.

So if you only enter 20 days on the Migration Card and then decide to stay 22 because you have a 30 day Visa, you are going to be in trouble.


I've found it doesn't make any difference at all what you put on the migration card. I've left my dates entirely blank by accident before and no one noticed - neither coming nor going. Another time, flight attendants had no migration cards on my flight and my usual stash of spares which I carry with me had been depleted. So I had to grab one on the way into passport control and fill it in while standing in line. Since I don't usually travel with a clipboard, and my handwriting even in perfect settings is barely legible, then you can imagine what my migration card looked like... But no complaints.

But you're right, it certainly won't hurt to put your departure date as the date your visa expires.

[Tenplayr]

I live close to the town of Gatlinburg Tn. And I see a lot of Russian women here in the summer. I have a house that I can trade for sex services. How do I get in know these woman? I know that I am a first time poster but I read need some help on this.

Thanks

[Kurenda]

Gergiev,

Yes you can go beyond 2 nights and into any part of the third day.

Law says you must have registration by 24:00 on the last day.

But this can be problem if you decide to register by yourself. Think about working hours. Mybe it can be a problem if you show up at 10 in the night and want to register. I reffer to police station and post office. I'm not sure but I think post office in Russia is open by 10PM? Police station is open all night so you can go there to visit them. My experiance is like this. I was in Omsk and my plan was to stay just 3 days so I didn't plan to register. But due to sam reason my plan changed few hours before leaving the city, and I decided to stay. My 72 hours time for registration passed at midnignt. I desided to go to police station to see what to do. It was 2 in the morning and one cop was sitting there. I explained him situation and he didn't see any problem. Just told me to return in the morning becuase paperwork for registration was locked in some office. But then he changed his mind fearing that I might be stopped by militsia. So he simply torn the paper from notes, wrote down by hand informations from my passport, signed it and put a stamp at the bottom. And told me his will be enough. I stayed in Omsk for 10 days withuot any further registration or problems.

The method I described for staynig without registration is good if you only plan to leave by the end of third day and staying in rented apartment.

About the fine of 1800- 3600$ I saw this on Shermetyevo-2 airport last August. Italian guy was stopped by customs and police arrived. I was listening to converstaion and that Italian guy was in Russia two monhts ago and he didn't registered. This time he also didn't register but obviously he was in the computer already because of previous registration problems.

A female arrived in civil clothes, I assumed she was a judge right there at the airport. There was a problem with italian guy, not only registration but something else. Italian interpreter arrived soon after. I clearly heard in Russian when they mentioned how much is the fine and the ban on entering. And Russian judge was writing in official forms telling the Italian (who was all in panic) they don't intend to keep him in prison or something but he must pay the fine any way he can. Italian didn't had all that cash on him and he was on his cell phone talking with somebody in Italy to send him "due mille euri" by Western Union so he could pay and leave. I soon left so I don't know what happened later. He obviously had to pay something, fine it self plus cost of processing his case or what ever. This is maybe some new regulation and again not many people know about it. But I was in Minsk this January and friend of mine who is police officer took me to his working place and there they had a list of foreigner citizens who have a ban on entering both Russia and Belarus.since it is the same like the migration card. There are many names there, mostly from FSU (probalbly ciriminals) but also a fair share of various EU citizens. Like those who messed in internal affairs of Russia or Belarus, supporting the oposition, visa problems also, and also football fans from UK who made problems on football game sin Russia and Belarus.

Pizdyets, I can be sure german guy dress in normal way. I've been to Russia many times and I was stopped only once. It was back in 1999 when those bombs exploded around Moscow. I was travelling by train from Siberia and I had my beard grown. I was stopped at the train station without any problems only one cop made a remark that I look like chechen bandit with that beard.

About stopping it occures much more in some provincial town for example in Siberia. I see that all the time there. The main victims are foreign backbackers with their "bum" look. Dirty clothes and dirty hair, smelly from a long trip. Last summer in Siberia I met 4 guys from Holland who decided to travell from Holland to Baikal lake in their odl van. And live in it. They complained they are regulary targeted by police. I wasn't surprised since they all had terrible look. Dirty clothes, smelly, having a bath once in 15 days, their van was full of garbage and rotting food. I told them they should be stopped anywhere they go because how they looked and Holland should not let then go back.

About filling the dates of staying in migration card basically it doesn't matter. I fill migration card only with my name, date of birth, passport number and nationality. Everything else I leave blank. And no problem at all.

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[Bez Bezarra]

I live in Tn I see Russian women here.

I can trade for sex services.

How do I get in the woman?

I am a imposter

I read some.



Right next to the feed store, uh-huh.

Them Roosky skank-ho's can take out their teeths, just like grainmaw used ta fer paw.

So git on down to the Piggly Wiggly, n' don't fergit to brang yer 5th grade deeploma. They gots to be sure ya'll gots a high falootin edgie-kayshun!

Ya hear??

Dang nab it!
You no good son of a two bit floozy waller!
If I weren't so damn intellerjunt, I'd say you wuz makin fun!!

Well, grease my uncle's monkey!

[Gergiev]

I've found it doesn't make any difference at all what you put on the migration card. I've left my dates entirely blank by accident before and no one noticed - neither coming nor going. Another time, flight attendants had no migration cards on my flight and my usual stash of spares which I carry with me had been depleted. So I had to grab one on the way into passport control and fill it in while standing in line. Since I don't usually travel with a clipboard, and my handwriting even in perfect settings is barely legible, then you can imagine what my migration card looked like... But no complaints.

But you're right, it certainly won't hurt to put your departure date as the date your visa expires.

Pizdyets, I've no doubt this is true but it's the old story; if you run into the wrong guy on the wrong day...

[Gergiev]

A little info on militsia stopping on the street.

Not my direct experiance, but by someone I know.

Fresh info from January this year.

Younger german guy, music student living in Moscow in student dormitory.

Speaks and understands Russian language, he's no expert of course.

Just enough knowledge to buy metro pass, order a beer in the bar and simple lunch in cheap restaurant. Not capable of having a coversation in Russian.

We were talking about this militsia stopping on the street. Of foreigners of course. He told me he was stopped by militsia 6 times in 2008.

Three times in the metro, two times on the street in various parts of the town and once on the street near his student dormitory.

In the metro he was always stopped in the morning while going to his university. On the street both times in early afternoon, near his dormitory he was stopped in the early night.

The question is why he was stopped? By his look he's tallish blond guy, can easily pass for Russian so no problem about his look. He weats casual clothes and sneakers, he's no suit and tie guy in expencive clothes but also no bum in dirty rags. He has his backpack with him all the time and always use public transport. No limo with driver for him.

In all 6 times he was stopped it was in various times in the year. The only time he was not stopped were two months in summer when he was back home in Germany. Total damage for all the times he was stopped was more than 300 euros in roubles.

It was intriging for me why he was stopped anyway. It tourned out when he was stopped he wasn't drunk or anything, acting suspicious, he was always alone and he didn't spoke german on cell phone.

He usually was stopped by 2-3 cops from which one was always older then the rest. They would ask him for his passport, no photocopy but originall. Once he tried to fake he left his passport in the room and cops reaction on that was "come with us to the station". Then he was asked for his registration documents and one cop was using the radio to check his visa and registration if everything is in order. The rest of them were asking him question like where he's been and where he's going and checking the content of his backpack. Now the thing is that cops never asked him directly for money like "pay to let you go". They were just keeping him there for 10-15 minutes untill he offered them money. Amout of 1000-1500 rubles or so. Cops were always polite, never pushy, threatening.

German guy also told me he knows some other foreign students being stopped by police.

For me the reason is still unknown why he was stopped. Maybe because he was young and maybe junkie, or his backpack was the reason like "terrorism".

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Kurenda, the moral of the story is that he should have taken them up on their offer to "come with us to the station".

Basically it looks like he is young, foreign and clueless; therefore a soft target.

Still advise anyone in this position should stand their ground, demand to go the station, and call their embassy.

[Pizdyets]

Right next to the feed store, uh-huh.

Them Roosky skank-ho's can take out their teeths, just like grainmaw used ta fer paw.

So git on down to the Piggly Wiggly, n' don't fergit to brang yer 5th grade deeploma. They gots to be sure ya'll gots a high falootin edgie-kayshun!

Ya hear??

Dang nab it!
You no good son of a two bit floozy waller!
If I weren't so damn intellerjunt, I'd say you wuz makin fun!!

Well, grease my uncle's monkey!

Bezzie - I really had to restrain myself not to respond to this post, as I figured you'd one-up me in the end, no matter how cleverly I worded it. My suspicions proved correct.

As for Piggly-Wiggly - I'd always pictured you as more of a Winn-Dixie kinda guy.

[Gergiev]

Yes you can go beyond 2 nights and into any part of the third day.

Law says you must have registration by 24:00 on the last day.


Kurenda, I do agree with you and I myself do exactly as you do.

However, one of my colleagues who is exposed to this subject every day has a "view" that some of the authorities willfully interpret it as being any part of the 3rd day so that's why I'm reluctant to post this here in "black and white" so to speak.



About the fine of 1800- 3600$ I saw this on Shermetyevo-2 airport last August.


I stll have serious doubts about the scale of those figures.

My feeling is that there must have been more to this than a simple registration transgression.



About filling the dates of staying in migration card basically it doesn't matter. I fill migration card only with my name, date of birth, passport number and nationality. Everything else I leave blank. And no problem at all.



Fair enough, that's certainly very interesting.

But still no harm for anybody reading this to understand NOT to exceed if possible the departure date on the migration card if it's filled in.

This time if they do choose to fine you they have right on their side.

..............

Kurenda, once again many thanks for taking the time and effort to write about your experiences here.

Certainly deserved to be nominated for posts of distinction.

Spassibo...VG.

[Bez Bezarra]

Bezzie - I figured they'd screw you in the end, no matter.

suspicions proved correct.

I always pictured you as a Winn-Dixie kinda guy.



Yes friends, after two months of daily hell, working for a new Mega Beech, the kind of FWC that you see in ALL your very WORST nightmares, the kind that makes a monger want to go out and commit murder, she arrived in a surprise visit yesterday, had me work my ass of moving furniture, then used me to deal with 2 very important clients that she was clueless, while pretending to be civil, and finally after all the important business was out of the way, told me to pack up my shit and get out, because she had my replacement coming in the next day.

No surpirse really, as Wednesday, I get this e-mail about a meeting in March where my name has myseriously been replaced with somebody else's, and when I asked her about it, earlier in the day, she simply ignored me.

Typical, fired by e-mail.

Well, what's a monger to do? Sitting here with round trip tickets to the motherland? Not go, sitting around here waiting for another bogus shot at being some ass kissing loser again? I don't think so!

Fuck them all, and up the ass, without any lube!

[Pizdyets]

Typical, fired by e-mail.


Hang in there, Bezzie. And yeah, maybe some R&R with a dozen Russian sluts is just what the doctor ordered.

[Pizdyets]

Kurenda, the moral of the story is that he should have taken them up on their offer to "come with us to the station".

Basically it looks like he is young, foreign and clueless; therefore a soft target.

Still advise anyone in this position should stand their ground, demand to go the station, and call their embassy.

You summed it up neatly, Gergiev. These "pigs" are only looking to fatten their wallets. Remember - every minute you delay giving them money is a minute which they could have spent shaking down an easier target with higher chance for payout. Once the scale tips from "easy money" to "fruitless pain in the ass", they'll promptly let you go. Just don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off, or they may hold you (or just as likely, kick your ass) out of spite.

[Stravinsky]

Well, what's a monger to do? Sitting here with round trip tickets to the motherland?If you've got tickets, may as well go for it. Worry about the employment situation when you get back.

[Kurenda]

Gergiev about registration both you and me we do as we do.

For somebody else this is different. Like yourself I can not say this is 100% right. This is just somethnig that worked for me and without problems.

How somebody from authorites will interpret this it is problably up to them. I met some other foreigners who didn't registered like this. Like crossing from Russia into Ukraine and no problems at all at the border. Maybe authorities in the Moscow airport are more strict about this than somebody at the Russian border in Belgorod in the middle of the night.

About the high fine everythnig is possible. Maybe the guy did more than not registering, like overstaying visa time, something wrong with visa, etc.

I saw a US guy at the airport once and he was hold on visa problem. Simple thing, misspelling his name when his visa was issued. His hame in passport was "Jack" and in his visa was written "Jake" in cyrillic. Everything else was like in his passport but this was enough for customs to hold him.

About fully filling migration card I don't bother about that, but I would not reccomend this to anybody else. I can only tell that when your migration card is taken at the border it's take with purpose to be checked later. Some time it will be checked and some time simply thrown away. But there is always possibility for potentional problems next time in Russia.

About police shake downs do not worry much about that. The chances you will be stopped are really minimal. Only if there is reason for that and you're out of luck. For example you're drunk and taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the middle of the street. Police in Russia have their favourite target for stopping. Anyone looking non slavic and non white. Various asians, blacks, Chechens, Azeris, Georgians, etc. At least in Moscow. In some provincial towns there are more chances you are stopped for just being a foreigner and asked "what are you doing in our town". The questions can be out of curiosity or seroius one.

After all there is a popular joke in Russia going like this:

A guy comes to police station looking to work as a cop.

The chief explains how things work and what will be his duties.

The guy ask: "Fine, but what will be my payment? "

The chief answers: "What payment? We give you the uniform and the gun and you collect your payment out on the streets! "

The point is obvious.

Gergiev no need to thank. I can help with the things I know.

About things I don't know I can not help.

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[Kurenda]

Bez, maybe there is room for revenge?

Try your mongering tricks on tha mega beetch.

If that doesn't work out, use the tickets.

Or refund it and invest into some local sponsorship seeking girl.

[William07]

Have prices and availability been impacted at all by the financial crisis?

[Bez Bezarra]

Bez, maybe there is room for revenge?

Try your mongering tricks on tha mega beetch.

If that doesn't work out, use the tickets.

Or refund it and invest into some local sponsorship seeking girl.



This is the USA, remember, mongering tricks on a Fat White Cow?? Who in all likelihood is a dyke, as that no man would want to go near her, with an attitude like hers, and I noticed that she was best friends with the 2 queer guys that work in the company. Typical corporate ass kissing bullshit, no place for me in that.

Depends on what happens in the next few weeks, as to whether I will go.

[Gergiev]

How somebody from authorites will interpret this it is problably up to them. I met some other foreigners who didn't registered like this. Like crossing from Russia into Ukraine and no problems at all at the border. Maybe authorities in the Moscow airport are more strict about this than somebody at the Russian border in Belgorod in the middle of the night.


Last couple of times I crossed over the frontier at Estonia and Latvia in the middle of the night.

I'm usually the "odd-man out"/only foreigner there as the others tend to be workers, ethnic Russians etc.

The officials are inclined to sigh a bit when I present my credentials and look very seriously at the computer screen for a few extra moments then send me on my way.

I eventually came to the conclusion they really can't track your movements (so far anyway) under the new (2007) system with no stamps on the migration card...




About police shake downs do not worry much about that. The chances you will be stopped are really minimal. Only if there is reason for that and you're out of luck.


No problem there, Kurenda.

Bring it on, I say...

Never paid a fine/bribe in my life and don't intend to start now!

[Gergiev]

This is the USA, remember, mongering tricks on a Fat White Cow?? Who in all likelihood is a dyke, as that no man would want to go near her, with an attitude like hers, and I noticed that she was best friends with the 2 queer guys that work in the company. Typical corporate ass kissing bullshit, no place for me in that.

Depends on what happens in the next few weeks, as to whether I will go.

Not like you to take things lying down, old boy.

There again...

[Bez Bezarra]

Not like you to take things lying down, old boy.

There again...Nothin' better than gettin' friction-burn from being ridden or pile-driven until my hip bones are good and bruised, when Masha's on top. I love watchin' her walk funny on her way home to mama's doma.

As far as biznis, there ain't a lot that can be done when they give all the power to a beetch gone mad with it, who feels the need to dominate everyone and everything within her limits. Trust me when I tell ya, I'm not the only one she's conveniantly disposed of, whatever reason she decides to cook up. Personally, I'm glad I'm out of there, as I've been putting in 60 hours minimum, and was getting paid considerably less, and getting zero appreciation for it. Who needs that?

On top of that, that place is going nowhere fast. The second in command is a spineless figurehead who lets her minions do whatever they please, so they wanted no part of me coming in trying to shake things up. If anyone crept up silently to put a knife in my back, it was surely them. Two more lazy hags, who are only there to pad their own pockets and suck the life out of the place. No wonder the reputation of the place is at the bottom of the market, and that's where it will stay.

My talents are far better off being utilized elsewhere. I know there's someone out there who'll give me a shot, eventually.

As for my plans to return to the glorius motherland, don't count me out yet.
Too many ladies in waiting, are waiting, I can't disappoint them, I won't do that.

And besides, who's gonna post illustrative exploits from the provinces, YOU WANKERS??? :p

Hardly! :(

[Kraled]

I have appreciated your reports for a while. I shorted everything for the last two years and have done well. I would be interested in a new business. Let us talk.

[LifeSavour]

Awhile back (either Ukraine OR Russia) a member posted a link for some software/website to check a photos originality and where-abouts.

I've looked in the threads, can't seem to find it.

Any help guys?

LS

[Pizdyets]

Awhile back (either Ukraine OR Russia) a member posted a link for some software/website to check a photos originality and where-abouts.

I've looked in the threads, can't seem to find it.

Any help guys?

LS

http://tineye.com

[Eros74]

Hi @ll ;)

thinking to go to Sharm El Sheik, anybody knows one hotel where it will be possible to find many devushki?

The agency travel suggested me two options:

- 4 stars hotel sol sharm

- 5 stars hotel grand sharm.

It has to be in Sharm and even if for me no problem 4 or 5 stars, maybe the less rich girls who goes to a 4 stars are more friendly ?

Once back I will report here as usually, poka udachu

[AColonizer]

Yes, where have Russian girls gone to? Last year, all Russians and Ukrainians have escaped from Italy and we know they are still working somewhere in Europe, but which country?

[Pizdyets]

Yes, where have Russian girls gone to? Last year, all Russians and Ukrainians have escaped from Italy and we know they are still working somewhere in Europe, but which country?

No shortage of Russian girls here in Moscow. I virtually see them everywhere I look. ;P

[Pizdyets]

Hi @ll ;)

thinking to go to Sharm El Sheik, anybody knows one hotel where it will be possible to find many devushki?

The agency travel suggested me two options:

- 4 stars hotel sol sharm

- 5 stars hotel grand sharm.

It has to be in Sharm and even if for me no problem 4 or 5 stars, maybe the less rich girls who goes to a 4 stars are more friendly ?

Once back I will report here as usually, poka udachu

I have only been to Sharm once, and stayed at the Iberotel Grand Sharm. Nice place. There were Russians there for sure, but aside from a couple hottie late-20s MILFs, there was not much to look at, and even less to hook up with (ie zero). I think you'd be better off if you went a little down-market and hit a younger (less wealthy) crowd. Or you could try the bars in Narma, though many were suspiciously absent of any Russians when I was there. Most likely, the Russians prefer to stay "on compound" when the liquor is included and freely flowing!

If your main target is CIS girls, did you consider Antalya? Without a doubt, the diving is better in Sharm, but IMHO, the pussy is a lot easier in Turkey...

[Eros74]

...Most likely, the Russians prefer to stay "on compound" when the liquor is included and freely flowing!...

Thanks all, I check right now weather in Antalya, in Sharm is hotter about 8-10 C. and back from 2 months in Brazil and Argentina... I want hot weather :)

I thought about down market maybe more russians in 4 stars instead 5 stars or no russian at all ?

I think I will go to 4 stars, it looks more or less the same and even at 5 stars I have to pay for alcool drinks. I do not need sauna, gym and so on... just hot weather and good sea, if I will find russian freebie I will take this as a gift not included in the price I am gonna to pay ;)

[Stravinsky]

Lukasek,

I've never been to Sharm el Sheik, so I can't compare. But, if you're looking to go down-market, you may want to consider Antalya.

The place you want to be is Lara Beach, it's about 10-12 Km east of the city. There is a large community of Russians who buy condos there to get away from the Russian winter. The center of the Russian community is Lara Road, where it leaves the main highway and turns south to the beach, it's kind of like a "little Moscow". If you stay at the Hotel Club Sera, you will be within walking distance of everything you need.

The other option would be to stay at one of the big resort hotels further down the beach, the Venezia is good place to stay. The problem with these hotels is: a) they are much further away, so you will need to have your own car, or spend a LOT of money on taxis and, b) I never saw any working girls hanging around the hotel. The security at the big resort hotels is pretty tight, so the only way a working girl could get in, by herself, would be to bribe someone.

This time of the year, the temp in Antalya should be pretty much the same as Rio or BA, so you should feel right at home.

[Eros74]

Stravvie,

spasibo drug, great infos about Antalya, but internet show me there temperature about +20, besides that in Rio I got always about +35, today at my home town was +23 and I have the sea far less than one hour by motorbike...

Sharm is much hotter, about + 30, +32, so it will be for sure Sharm, I will like to go one day to see piramids too, I have to decide which hotel, I also contact my friend living in Moscow, asking him to go to travel agency to know the hotels where usually russians go in Sharm...we will see...

[Stravinsky]

besides that in Rio I got always about +35Yes, in summer, but now it is October in Rio, soon it will be winter, while Antalya will be hotter every day.

[Eros74]

As some of my friends know, I was 2 months in Brazil after 1,5 month in Russia, so if somebody is gonna to ask me where are the best girls, the answer is so obviously, but if another one is gonna to ask me... what you found in Brazil that you did not find in Russia ?

Ocean ? Yes... but who cares LOL

Original Caipirinha ? I care less....

So what ?

Dear friends this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5KRU_D3-vA

Once you try one girl able to do it ... you will understand what I mean ;)