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Bez Bezarra
04-24-09, 07:27
Anyone in Moscow up for a meet??
May 2nd??
AColonizer
05-01-09, 15:08
Funny article, just to have fun, because, for instance, in Italy every kind of integral nudism is strictly prohibited.
http://vlasti.net/news/42763
Stravinsky
05-26-09, 14:28
I've heard a lot of good things about Domodedovo, mainly from friends of mine who have used the airport within the last few years, not the least of whom was our own Bez Bezarra, who posted some pix in one of his posts. Keep on snappin' those pix Bez, each one is worth a 1,000 words.
So, I thought I'd make the switch from Sheremetevo and I'm glad I did. The last time I went through DME, it was still your basic Soviet cement blockhouse, but now it's a modern world class airport of steel and glass. Everything is brand new, well laid out, very efficient and clean. It doesn't leave you with that gryazni Sovyetskom feel like SVO. There is an express train that connects the airport with the city center. For 250 руб. it will whisk you away (at 20 Kph) to Paveletskaya Metro station where there are plenty of taxis to take you to your destination.
But the best advantage over SVO, IMHO, is that at DME you are not required to submit your checked baggage to that silly hand search. I just put my bags on the conveyor at the ticket counter and away they went. Marvelous.
Couldn't find any place to change money after passport control, so if you need to change rubles you need to do it beforehand.
The only drawback right now is that there aren't a lot of direct flights from the U.S., but United just added service in May from Dulles, so hopefully that will improve as time goes by.
Doctor_Skank
05-26-09, 15:43
I've heard a lot of good things about Domodedovo, DME is infinitely superior to SVO. There is a place to change money after passport control, located in the same area where the baggage claim is. Rate is about 5% worse than in the city though, so it makes sense only to change enough for taxi or train + whatever minor costs you will have before settling in.
The Aeroexpress runs from all airports BTW... Vnukovo and SVO as well.
www.aeroexpress.ru
Vnukovo is also a nice airport... new and actually more convenient than the other 2 in terms of traffic.
The only drawback right now is that there aren't a lot of direct flights from the U.S., but United just added service in May from Dulles, so hopefully that will improve as time goes by.Strav,
You are probably aware already that Singapore Airlines has a direct flight from Houston IAH to DME several times a week on a 777. And half the time the prices are not too bad either. Around $750 with 14 days advance last time I looked. It leaves form Terminal D in Houston at around 15:30 (3:30 PM) just before the afternoon rush to Europe. So if you are connecting from somewhere else, the whole process is quite stress less.
And of course, American flies out of Chicago (everyday I think). But then you already know this.
Stravinsky
05-26-09, 16:47
Jake,
Yes, I did see the Singapore Airlines flight, but it's difficult for me to make it to Houston in time to connect with a 15:30 flight. The American flight works out better. Each flight was jam packed both coming and going, so I guess United decided they wanted in on the action as well.
Doc,
I was thinking about departures: plenty of duty free shops and restaurants past passport control, but no place to change money. So, I'll just save my rubles for next trip.
Jake,
Yes, I did see the Singapore Airlines flight, but it's difficult for me to make it to Houston in time to connect with a 15:30 flight. The American flight works out better. Each flight was jam packed both coming and going, so I guess United decided they wanted in on the action as well.
Jam packed? Really? The Houston flight on Sing Air has been about 60% - 70% full or less - which is nice. The flight continues on to Singapore from DME. Could you imagine that flight? IAH - DME - SIN. Yikes!!!
Doctor_Skank
05-26-09, 20:15
Doc,
I was thinking about departures: plenty of duty free shops and restaurants past passport control, but no place to change money. So, I'll just save my rubles for next trip.Damn, I do believe you are right, I can't recall one either. I guess you could just blow your cash at duty free, or the Irish Pub... which has free WiFi BTW...
Stravinsky
05-26-09, 22:39
Could you imagine that flight? IAH - DME - SIN. Yikes!!!It's true, Singapore Air to DME is not the intuitive choice, but it could be a real money maker as the Monger's Express!
Any recomendations other then the 2 big cities on where to go for approximately a month in russia? (somewhere a little off the beaten path where the girls arent so money hungry with potential to find a nice girlfriend)...
I feel like moscow and st pete the women would be not as 'homely' as other cities. (at least that's how most big cities are from my experience, i've always preferred girls from smaller towns). (safety also :) )
Bez Bezarra
05-30-09, 12:38
Could you imagine that flight?
IAH - DME - SIN. Yikes!!!
Actually it was much worse.
During the 1998 Asian financial meltdown, I found a small ad in the travel section that I couldn't pass up. But anytime something looks to good to be true, it ALWAYS is! 2 weeks incl daily brkfst & lunch at 5 star Sheraton Nusa Dua on the beach in Bali for only $1100 inclu R/T air! Snorkeling in the morning on an Indian Ocean reef right in your backyard looking at that volcano, it was like being on another planet. Plus cheap Indonesian girls just up the road in Sanur at Barokek.
The catch was MIA-NEWARK-FRK-SIN-BALI!
What a fucking haul!
Throw in a terrible head cold AND a sever case of Shingles, I barely survived.
Actually it was much worse.
During the 1998 Asian financial meltdown, I found a small ad in the travel section that I couldn't pass up. But anytime something looks to good to be true, it ALWAYS is! 2 weeks incl daily brkfst & lunch at 5 star Sheraton Nusa Dua on the beach in Bali for only $1100 inclu R/T air! Snorkeling in the morning on an Indian Ocean reef right in your backyard looking at that volcano, it was like being on another planet. Plus cheap Indonesian girls just up the road in Sanur at Barokek.
The catch was MIA-NEWARK-FRK-SIN-BALI!
What a fucking haul!
Throw in a terrible head cold AND a sever case of Shingles, I barely survived.Holy crap - not fun. And all in coach I imagine?
On my last trip to Turkmenistan, my travel department could not get a fare from IAH - ASB (Ashgahbat) for under $3,300 flying Lufthansa through Farnkfurt. I told my it was BS and told the company CFO that the travel agent was incompetent bet him that I could get to Ashgabat for under HALF of that. You know how it is on a dare, so I decided to get creative remembering that there was a flight from DME to Ashgabat. The idea was going to be getting the Delta flight from ATL to SVO which gave me a seven hour layover in Moscow ant plenty of time to get to DME for the S7 flight. $850 for Delta flight to SVO and $350 on S7 to ASB - piece of cake. Well under the dare limit. But there was a hitch, S7 had temporarily suspended service between DME and ASB. Damn.
But I looked around and found a similar fare from SVO to ASB on Turkish Airlines through Istanbul. No sweat. Of course, the only reason I could do tis was because I had a valid Russian visa but would have to clear immigration and re-check bags in Moscow.
But on travel day, ATL was fogged in. I could not get to Atlanta in time to make my connection. After a LOT of arguing with Delta, they agreed to put me on an Air France flight to SVO thru Paris which would STILL give me enough time to catch the Turkish flight.
But when I got to Moscow, I discovered that one of my bags was still in Paris. When I got to Ashgabat, I discovered that my OTHER bag got left in Istanbul.
IAH - CDG - SVO - IST - ASB No bags. Fuck.
The joys of budget business travel.
Bez Bezarra
05-30-09, 14:48
Delta flies direct to Moscow SVO from ATLANTA???
Any recomendations other then the 2 big cities on where to go for approximately a month in russia? (somewhere a little off the beaten path where the girls arent so money hungry with potential to find a nice girlfriend)...
I feel like moscow and st pete the women would be not as 'homely' as other cities. (at least that's how most big cities are from my experience, i've always preferred girls from smaller towns). (safety also :) )Depending what is your expectation.
Month in some provincial town people can find boring.
The best is to have some local support.
As for money hungry girls don't worry, they are everywhere.
When you're indentified as foreigner they are the first ones to approach you.
What are your russian skills? In provincial places english will not take you very far and you will be stuck with persons who speak english (like it or not).
What do you take fro a small town - place with population of 30 000 or 300 000. In Russia small town is like 250 000 lower than that goes into "inhabited place" category.
Safety? Have in mind the most attack on foreigners in Russia happen in places outside Moscow ans StP. Foreigners are rare thing there are they draw attention including negative one.
For the help I recommedn Nizhny Novgorod. It's big enough to offer everythnig to keep you entertained, it's close enough to Moscow jsut in case you don't like it and want to go back to Moscow. There are some foreigners coming on thouse cruise ships on Volga. As for the girl it will offer what you need p4p, freebies also - depending on your skills and russian language.
Delta flies direct to Moscow SVO from ATLANTA??? Has for quite some time now. With two weeks advance you can usually get there for less than $1,000.
Just double checked. Flight DL46 leaves Atlanta at 4:15 PM and arrives SVO at 11:00 AM the next day. the flight back is DL46 and departs SVO at 12:55 PM and arrives Atlanta at 4:35 the same day. On Expedia I look for a fligth in July and was quoted $947.00. Not bad for mid-summer travel.
Bez Bezarra
05-30-09, 21:18
Flew in from Miami Beach B.O.A.C.
Didn't get to bed last night.
All the way the paper bag was on my knee.
Man I had a dreadful flight.
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
Looks like MIA-ZUR-DME-XXX will remain my best option to the provinces, or even through Heathrow on BA.
You'd think there's more Russians in SoFLa than Atlanta, guess its just cause its such a huge hub.
Maybe if they ever open Cuba, they'll be flights from MIA?
Nah!
Depending what is your expectation.
Month in some provincial town people can find boring.
The best is to have some local support.
As for money hungry girls don't worry, they are everywhere.
When you're indentified as foreigner they are the first ones to approach you.
What are your russian skills? In provincial places english will not take you very far and you will be stuck with persons who speak english (like it or not).
What do you take fro a small town - place with population of 30 000 or 300 000. In Russia small town is like 250 000 lower than that goes into "inhabited place" category.
Safety? Have in mind the most attack on foreigners in Russia happen in places outside Moscow ans StP. Foreigners are rare thing there are they draw attention including negative one.
For the help I recommedn Nizhny Novgorod. It's big enough to offer everythnig to keep you entertained, it's close enough to Moscow jsut in case you don't like it and want to go back to Moscow. There are some foreigners coming on thouse cruise ships on Volga. As for the girl it will offer what you need p4p, freebies also - depending on your skills and russian language.
Ok great Nizhny sounds good. I have also been doing more and more researh on here, and Rostov looks good also.
I think to small yes would be boring. A population of about 1m is probably good with a university in the city. The problem with russia is it's so damn big, picking a city is tough.
And as for the language, well my plan is to pick a city and enroll in the university to learn russian for the month (can always extend to 2 months also). That should get me to learn the basics.
Thanks guys.
Most probably you can not just pick up a place but the russian government will give you few options where to go.
Keep in mind universisties in Russia will soon go on summer holidays which means there will be no girls there.
If you want to learn russian and have fun maybe Ukraine is better option.
Odessa is good choice since in local university they teach russian courses, summer season is starting, city is big enough. Plus if you fail with local girls or not satisfied you can always turn to those foreign students in Odessa.
Maybe if they ever open Cuba, they'll be flights from MIA?
Nah!
Agree with you there - especially since there's already a non-stop from Moskva to Habana.
But... if an airline were to provide non-stops between Miami and Moscow, who would it be? It could only be American or Aeroflot, and I don't see either one opening up another route from their existing ones. And with Miami's reputation as the fattest city in the US (and that's saying something), you can't blame them for wanting to conserve jetfuel. ;)
Ok, I think St. Pete looks like a good option for about 2-3 months as 'home' while i check out some smaller provinces.
One thing I'm worried about - I started chatting with a girl online, and she said that it is anti-american there. How anti-american?
Ok, I think St. Pete looks like a good option for about 2-3 months as 'home' while i check out some smaller provinces.
One thing I'm worried about - I started chatting with a girl online, and she said that it is anti-american there. How anti-american? There are Russians who don't care for Americans and there are Russians who don't care one way or the other. Come to think of it, there are Brits, French, Spaniards, Greeks, Poles, Czechs, Brazilians, Canadians, Mexicans Australians, etc, etc, etc who don't care for Americans either but it does not seem to stop Americans from traveling to those countries. So I would not let that deter you in your plans for travel to Russia. You will find odd pockets of resentment towards Americans but no more than you would find in any other country. Don't give it a second thought. If you encounter a girl online who doesn't like Americans, just move on to the next one and don't waste your time worrying. If you don't act like the quintessential "ugly American" no one will care.
In the provinces, you are not going to fool anyone so learn some Russian, don't draw attention to yourself (except with hot dyevs) and you will be just fine.
Stravinsky
06-02-09, 15:15
Jon,
My experience has been that most people throughout the world are able to make a distinction between Americans and the policies of our government. While they may hate our government, they understand that 1 person is not responsible for national policy. Just like in Russia.
So, as Jake said, avoid the ugly American attitude and behave like a normal, natural sort of human being and most people won't care where you are from.
Personally, whenever I travel, I'm always doing whatever I can to offset the maleficent effect of my government. Except maybe for that b!tch at Hot Dog who kept trying to buy drinks on my tab! ;)
Great majority of Russians don't like USA. Both the government and the people. So in Russia they don't like USA but they like US$.
If you're American and any Russian seems to nice to you be sure there's some hidden plan like wanting something from you.
Being American in Russia will not give you problems not more than in any other country if you behave normally. In Moscow in StP, but in provinces it is different. Don't go to Yuzhno-Sahalinsk for example where game "let's beat Americans (and other foreigners) with steel pipes" is very popular.
All in all in Russia Americans are attacked, beaten up, robbed. But great majority of them will never report this and you won't hear of it. For one Russian police don't care about that. Also attackers usully will check victim's passport saying we know where you live and if you report this, when you return home we will send our Russian friends from USA to pay you a visit.
kurenda, i have a great deal of respect for your reporting on a wide spectrum of subjects, but as an american who's been living most of the past 10 years in russia, i have to call bullshit here.
great majority of russians don't like usa. both the government and the people. so in russia they don't like usa but they like us$.
face it - russians don't like other russians either. in fact, i'd say that on the whole they treat us foreigners (especially white-skinned westerners) far better than their own. sure, it was more prominent 15 years ago when the white god factor was in full force, but even today, in 2009, i get treated better at my bank than my russian colleagues. or at the restaurant. or clubs...
if you're american and any russian seems to nice to you be sure there's some hidden plan like wanting something from you.
you're a cynical bastard, aren't you? :) but again, you could say this about anyone from any country. it's no different here than in buenos aires, joburg, zurich, nyc, taipei or sydney. okay, maybe not australia because people there are just plain nice. almost too nice, if you know what i mean (yeah, i'm a bit cynical myself!)
being american in russia will not give you problems not more than in any other country if you behave normally.
bingo. act normally, and 99.99% of the time you will be treated in the same manner.
all in all in russia americans are attacked, beaten up, robbed. but great majority of them will never report this and you won't hear of it. for one russian police don't care about that. also attackers usully will check victim's passport saying we know where you live and if you report this, when you return home we will send our russian friends from usa to pay you a visit.
whatever. again, it happens everywhere. i will say that the immediate personal threat of organized crime in russia is blown way out of proportion by the western media. times were different in the 90s, but today there are very few "hits" in public places and admit it - most of those guys probably did something to deserve that sort of "treatment". as foreigners on the up-and-up, the mafia wants nothing to do with the vast majority of us (key exceptions - if you're in a cash-dominated sphere of industry like casinos, restaurants, clubs...)
of all the crimes that my friends and colleagues have been victim to, i can split them into just 2 groups: militsia and roofies. militsia (police) are the most corrupt members of russian society, and they are hated even more than drug dealers by the populace. they can and will take advantage of any situation in order to extract a bribe or take whatever you have in your possession (wallet, cellphone, jewelry). your best defense is to travel in numbers, avoid walking the streets while intoxicated, speak only in english (or italian or whatever your native language is - just not russian), and insist on following official procedures (going to their station, talking to their superior officer, etc). they don't give a shit about your violating any law - it's all about shaking you down for cold, hard cash. and if you insist on making them work for it - finding a translator, having them take you to their station, whatever - they are more than likely to just let you go "with a warning". now, the second type of crime is less obvious, but when it hits you... you know! in the us, guys slip "roofies" (rohypnol or "the date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug") into girls' drinks in order to increase their chances of closing the deal at the end of the night. but here, it's much more common that guys are the victims (at least in my experience). girls will flirt with a guy, slip some into his drink when he isn't looking, suggest they go back to his place and bam... he wakes up the next morning in a cleaned-out apartment with little recollection of what happened. i've heard of guys doing the same, only to roll the unsuspecting schmuck in the bathroom or just outside the bar. so... always keep an eye on your drink when in a club/bar, and if some girl you just took back to your apartment offers you a glass of sovetskoe shampanskoe, then playfully suggest to switch glasses and judge her reaction. it might just save you a big headache later.
Bez Bezarra
06-03-09, 13:52
I deliberately make friends with strangers, and they always end up protecting me, not harming me, when we venture into the unknown.
There have been ample opportunities where they could have taken advantage of me, but they didn't.
Though I NEVER get highly intoxicated on alcohol, if I did, I would expect bad things to happen. Frankly, I consider it beneath me, and a sign of low intelligence. I choose my poisons very carefully.
I have nothing against anyone ELSE who is a drunk, its just not for me.
Of course, the only questionable elements I associate with are cabbies, mamachkas, and pimps, though its not difficult to make friends with everyday folk, so I've done plenty of that as well.
Bez Bezarra
06-03-09, 17:27
I'll be the first to admit, the drunken sluts are not my scene.
Sure they are hot, no question.
Its a weakness on my part, I have some built-in low tolerance and even like an allergic reaction to alcohol, blackouts, puking and hangovers are all I can ever remember, if even that.
Goes back to the Bez mantra, if we all liked the exact same thing, life would be really boring.
One thing though, with all those drunk sluts you've bagged, you'd at least have had plenty of chances to photograph them in their drunken state or passed out afterward, wouldn't you.
The nice quiet and shy 18 years Alyona, who arrived at my apartment at 3AM on Easter with her smoking hot girlfriend who works at the TV station, after having consumed 2 bottles of vodka, proceeded to chug an entire bottle of Bacardi, straight up, in about 30 minutes, prior to beginning the orgy. She was so wild, that she must have fallen out of the bed onto the hard wood floor at least a dozen times, when she wasn't flying through the air and head first into the walls. She also fell down the stairs more times than I can remember. Quite charming.
I'm certain the next day, she had to be covered in ugly bruises from head to toe.
That may be appealing to you, but to be very honest, I would much have preferred fucking her when she was sober and in control of herself.
Example of aftermath of passed out unconscious Drunken Lesbi-Show Sluts Orgy:
Stravinsky
06-03-09, 18:15
Bez,
фото классно! (class photo)
any more of the unconscious Drunken Lesbi-Show Sluts Orgy?
I'm with you BTW, sex and women are much better enjoyed when in complete possession of one's senses.
Doctor_Skank
06-03-09, 19:35
Kurenda,
Essentially I agree with what Pizdyets said, but just to follow up…
Great majority of Russians don't like USA. Both the government and the people. So in Russia they don't like USA but they like US$.
There is an underlying distrust of America in Russia and in some cases it is dislike or even hate. There are many social and historical factors involved here, but in my opinion it is less about reliving the cold war and more about recent American policies in Georgia and Ukraine, in which the US is viewed as trying to sabotage the relations of Russia to its neighbors. One can certainly make an argument for this and given the one-sided news reporting in Russia it is clear that most Russians will buy into the party line.
In any case it really isn’t worth mentioning, as most Russians deep down distrust their own government just as much as they do the American one.
Another factor is that America is an easy target, constant negative news reporting about gun violence and other buffonery in America make for easy laughs over beer or dried fish.
Having been in many social situations in which I was the only American and also having been in many situations where the Russians at the table didn’t know I was American (they assumed I was European from any number of different countries) I have of course heard all of the American jokes and underhanded comments made about Americans. It’s annoying, yes… but was never any more extreme than I had experienced in other countries. Quite frankly, there is an initial dislike of Americans essentially world-wide.
This needn’t be a reason to avoid Russia however, as the most important thing is that Russians will treat you individually if you show some interest in them and their culture and most of all, respect it. The major reason that Americans are disliked worldwide is their reputed political and cultural arrogance and their reputed cultural ignorance.
The second most important thing is that women/girls care a lot less about race and politics than men do. Most girls, whether regular girls you meet on the street or internet or clubs, as well as prostitutes care very little about prejudices. They probably have them to a degree, but they are quickly washed over by their equally high level of curiousity. In a word, as an American I’ve slept with dozens upon dozens of Russian girls who “don’t like Americans” including many who told that directly to my face. Quite frankly, sometimes it makes winning them over even easier. A little conflict in a young relationship can be an aphrodisiac.
And pros? Well they do want your money.
If you're American and any Russian seems to nice to you be sure there's some hidden plan like wanting something from you.
Aside from the afore-mentioned pros or situations in which something is being sold to you, that’s just silly. The vast majority of Russians who are nice to you are just interested in meeting a person that is different from the clowns they meet all day long. As one Russian girl told me, there are only five types of Russian men:
1) durachki
2) drunks
3) homos
4) pafosni metrosexuals
5) hachi
In other words, what’s a poor Russian girl to do but fuck the American she hates? ) Of course the above is exaggerated, but it shows how some girls view their own men. Another thing is for sure, I get laid much, much, much more often than my Russian friends who are often better-looking, richer and speak the lingo. Take that for what it is worth in terms of Russian girls' attitudes.
Pizdyets is definitely right about another thing, Russians treat themselves far worse than they treat even their worst enemies.
Being American in Russia will not give you problems not more than in any other country if you behave normally. In Moscow in StP, but in provinces it is different. Don't go to Yuzhno-Sahalinsk for example where game "let's beat Americans (and other foreigners) with steel pipes" is very popular.
All in all in Russia Americans are attacked, beaten up, robbed. But great majority of them will never report this and you won't hear of it. For one Russian police don't care about that. Also attackers usully will check victim's passport saying we know where you live and if you report this, when you return home we will send our Russian friends from USA to pay you a visit.As Pizdyets said, your worst enemy in Russia is the militia, that group of bloated ass clowns. Do people, particularly foreigners get beaten up with lead pipes? Probably do somewhere, but some common sense will help you avoid this. I’ve been in a few situations in Russia in which the danger alarms were going off. At such point, I simply left the AO.
Bez Bezarra
06-04-09, 00:23
bez,
i'm with you btw, in complete possession of one's senses.
i merely said that i don't get drunk, that i choose my poisons carefully.
i don't think i've been in possession of my senses since i was 13.
i am a burn out, you know.
however at the moment, going to job interviews and awaiting the opportunity to get my [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) dipsticked for poisons, i am poison-free and enjoying lovely headaches, back aches, stomach aches, insomnia, malaise, no energy, and a general feeling of unpleasantness which will likely subside after a few more months of this waiting to get hired. swimming laps in the pool for 30 minutes without stopping provides some endorphins for a few moments.
expensive cigars and pyrat rum with lots of ice and rose's lime juice are helping just a bit, but not much.
such is the pleasure of the kreesis in no-candy-land. getting fired and back-stabbed twice in one year by men-hating kunts, fwc's, and bull-dykes is the fun i'm having in sex prison.
Tits_Lover
06-05-09, 12:40
Hi guys,
I am organizing a nice birthday party and there will be about 5-6 men. the plan is to rent an apartment or better a cottage out of town and of course to have 6-7 girls for about 1 day.
Any advice where to start ? Is it better to contact an agency or just digging around collecting pro-semipro bookings ?
Any other advice ?
thx cheers
TL
Solntsa Yada
06-09-09, 03:51
As one Russian girl told me, there are only five types of Russian men:
1) durachki
2) drunks
3) homos
4) pafosni metrosexuals
5) hachiI heard this list from many russian girls:
A) Losers
B) Drunkards
C) Engineers (geeks)
For you guys that juggle some freebies and a few actual gf's at the same time, how do you handle the phone situation? I'll be in Russia soon and have two regular girlfriends from other countries that I can expect calls from as well as from a few local girls I've arranged to meet.
I see a couple options if you're with a girl:
(1) Completely turn off your phone
(2) Put the phone on silent, don't answewr it
(3) Excuse yourself whenever you get a call and step out to somewhere private
I can see where any of this will eventually start making the caller or the person you are with suspicious.
Best suggestions?
For you guys that juggle some freebies and a few actual gf's at the same time, how do you handle the phone situation? I'll be in Russia soon and have two regular girlfriends from other countries that I can expect calls from as well as from a few local girls I've arranged to meet.
I see a couple options if you're with a girl:
(1) Completely turn off your phone
Depends on how smart your out-of-town girls are. You can claim your existing phone doesn't support roaming in Russia, or that there's a different communication protocol, or that coverage in general sucks. If they're smarter than that, you still should be able to get away with it once or twice. For example, many of the clubs here are in basements where you'll have a tough time getting a signal.
(2) Put the phone on silent, don't answewr it
Yup, this works but you have to constantly check for other messages.
(3) Excuse yourself whenever you get a call and step out to somewhere private
A simple trip to the head will suffice here.
I can see where any of this will eventually start making the caller or the person you are with suspicious.
Best suggestions?
Yes... if you have a Symbian phone, check out this app:
http://private-call-sms-guard.en.softonic.com/symbian
Or for iPhone, this one:
http://code.google.com/p/pysl/
They're totally geared for two-timers like ourselves. ;)
Bez Bezarra
06-11-09, 13:59
For you guys that juggle some freebies and a few actual gf's at the same time, how do you handle the phone situation?
Best suggestion?
Really you must be sleeping.
In the immortal words of Iain Glen, aka Mr. Powell in Lara Croft, as he explained to the Keeper of the Light on their way to the Dead City to find the second half of the Triangle, 'One tomb raider good, two tomb raiders...better.'
Same goes with mobiles, when dealing with girlfriends, sponsorettes, and tramps.
It also helps to have your OWN alter ego, to keep the categories from getting confused, which is also really a lot of fun. You have to stay on your toes, to make sure you introduce yourself with the correct alias, and then you eventually have to confess to your scam when you get serious with one of them, which can also eventually backfire in your face if your girl decides that your name is more important than you are. But that's a sign of immaturity, so you'll actually be better off in the long run.
The point is, SIM cards are not expensive, so having 2 russian cards is no big deal. Your even better off to buy your mobiles there, so you can read text messages in Cyrillic, not an option for most phones purchased in USA.
Leaving your US phone turned off is really the best option, the roaming charges are absurd.
What I'm telling you is to have a second phone and use a Russian SIM card, duh? You may need to take it to your network sales office before you come to make sure they unlock it for you first, many times when they sell them, they are not unlocked, but they will usually unlock it for you if you ask. that is, of course, if you have a network that uses SIM cards in the US. If not, then forget the whole thing.
And in the case of having to deal with calls from home, then you should probably be using 3 phones.
Unfortunately, none of my regular GF's are dumb enough to believe that I don't have a local cell phone. They know me pretty well. Repeatedly not taking calls from them will result in me getting alot of shit. I just can't stand the drama or listening to them nag. So, I guess the best solution is just to excuse myself whenever I am with a girl and I get a call and say it "business" or some such. For sure the smarter ones will catch on but better them angry than the regulars.
Bez, certainly with your heroic exploits, your phone must be constantly shaking.
Bez Bezarra
06-11-09, 19:22
Bez, your phone must be constantly shaking.
But not with calls from home. If you are gonna HAVE TO deal with that, you should simply give them your new Russian number, and you will see with caller ID when they are calling you, so just tell them to text you because you are working and call them back later.
Everybody texts, so what's the problem with that.
Now when I am with a girl, I simply turn off the ringers on my phones, there's no point in having any distractions. In the past when I didn't, it was just too much of a pain in the ass to be getting calls when I'm getting busy.
One at a time is more than enough. The only time its a problem is when they start calling 10 times, but I just call them later and tell them I was working, and if they don't want to believe it, tough shit for them. Even if they know I'm lying, what are they gonna do?
One at a time is more than enough. The only time its a problem is when they start calling 10 times, but I just call them later and tell them I was working, and if they don't want to believe it, tough shit for them. Even if they know I'm lying, what are they gonna do?
Having a girl suspect that you have action on the side isn't necessarily a bad thing. They're a lot more competitive than we are, you know. And she'll be more worried if you don't have any female interest at all (what's wrong with you?!?) Finally, she's less likely to see it as a serious/long-term relationship.
Still, you don't want to appear like a total playah either.
Bez Bezarra
06-12-09, 13:56
Still, you don't want to appear like a total playah either.
When I'm in the middle of a debauching session, and the girl can see my phone vibrating many times, or hear a signal that texts are being received, I just tell her its my office trying to contact me, and ignore it, because she is more important. If my phone is going off constantly, I just tell her it must be something important form work, but that I will deal with it afterwards. When I tell a girl that, she really doesn't question me about it, and if she gives me a funny look, I just fuck her harder and she soon forgets about it.
Whether or not she believes this, as I already said, who cares.
I think this is a dumb thing to worry about.
Gentleman Travel
07-02-09, 15:38
Sorry to ask such a mundane question, but how is mail delivery in Russia these days?
Just a few years ago it seemed that mail delivery was pretty hit and miss and that
sending anything of value through the mail was just asking for it to be stolen.
And does it vary for goods sent within Russia, versus sent from the West to Russia?
Another way to phrase this question - do Russians buy things over the internet for home delivery - like Amazon?
Do they have the credit cards and confidence to make on-line payments?
Stravinsky
07-02-09, 17:20
OMG, don't get me started on the Russian Post.
I am happy to report that it is still firmly mired in the early 20th century. As slow and unreliable as it every was. I don't think you have to worry about Russian postal workers opening mail and rifling through it for valuables, like 10 or 15 years ago. But I don't know anyone who trusts the Russian Post to send anything of any value, or get there on time.
And, yes, Virginia, there really are credit cards in Russia. My Muscovite friend proudly displayed his to me last time I was there. I doubt if he would use it to buy anything on the internet. Not because he doesn't trust the internet, but because there is no way for him to receive his purchase.
It will be decades before Russia has the public or private transportation systems for the movement of goods within Russia that even begin to approach what we have in America or Europe today.
BTW - it's: gloom of night
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Gentleman Travel
07-11-09, 17:37
I read somewhere that sex shops are very thick on the ground in Russia or at least in Moscow.
Someone even mentioned sex toys were for sale in some subway stations!
From numerous reports here it sounds like the culture is very toy-friendly.
Are there high-class sex shops/chains (if that is not an oxymoron) or is it all shabby little booths?
Any favourites?
Or are sex toys available in "normal" retail outlets - like drugstores or GUM?
Stravinsky
07-11-09, 21:55
I've never seen a sex (toy) shop anywhere in Moscow, above ground or below. Wouldn't even know where to go to find one. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but they're not as ubiquitous as you may have been led to believe.
Now, cell phones on the other hand... I guess you could say that's a sex toy. :)
GT,
The area of sex shops in Russia is regulated by local (city) government.
In Moscow I think Luskov prohibited open selling of sex toys and porno DVDs
(with DVDs I might be wrong). The same is many russian cities.
In Moscow you can only order sex toys through web shops and it wil be delivered by post or messenger service.
Google "секс шоп Москва" and you will get many links to order sex toys.
It was very easy to get any sex toy in Moscow (even in metro) but it was before 2002 when new law got in service.
On the other hand in StP city government made sex shops legal and there are many of them. The most known sex shop chain in StP is "РОЗОВЫЙ КРОЛИК" (pink bunny) which has around 20 sex shops in StP. They are usually located near metro stations (but above ground). Most of the online web shops in Russia also belong to "РОЗОВЫЙ КРОЛИК" and they are the main seller.
It looks sex toys are viewed by many Russians as some kind of perversion and unhealty objects. The guy who owns "РОЗОВЫЙ КРОЛИК", Alexandr Ponkratov I watched him once on TV where he was talking how sex toys are normal and will not damage health. He was ready to stick something from his asortiment in his butt right before cameras but he was not allowed of course.
GUM and sex toys? Well ask about it and let us know how it went he he.
Bez Bezarra
07-12-09, 18:32
in the provincial capital, there was a sex toy shop on a downtown cross street by a main intersection that thousands of people would walk right by every day.
i checked it out once, pretty tame. a few dildos, whips and chains, some see through night gowns. i was really there to try to find some escort service numbers, but the clerk was totally clueless. the place didn't seem too popular, perhaps due to the conservative nature of that eastern province, maybe the place had more action on saturday night when couples got randy and came in to spice things up, but who knows.
the other thing that was funny, was that the erotica store was only 2 blocks from a large public school of all grades small children through teenagers. i wonder how many of them peeked inside for some silly giggles.
GT,
The area of sex shops in Russia is regulated by local (city) government.
In Moscow I think Luskov prohibited open selling of sex toys and porno DVDs
(with DVDs I might be wrong). The same is many russian cities.
In Moscow you can only order sex toys through web shops and it wil be delivered by post or messenger service.
Google "секс шоп Москва" and you will get many links to order sex toys.
It was very easy to get any sex toy in Moscow (even in metro) but it was before 2002 when new law got in service.
On the other hand in StP city government made sex shops legal and there are many of them. The most known sex shop chain in StP is "РОЗОВЫЙ КРОЛИК" (pink bunny) which has around 20 sex shops in StP. They are usually located near metro stations (but above ground). Most of the online web shops in Russia also belong to "РОЗОВЫЙ КРОЛИК" and they are the main seller.
It looks sex toys are viewed by many Russians as some kind of perversion and unhealty objects. The guy who owns "РОЗОВЫЙ КРОЛИК", Alexandr Ponkratov I watched him once on TV where he was talking how sex toys are normal and will not damage health. He was ready to stick something from his asortiment in his butt right before cameras but he was not allowed of course.
GUM and sex toys? Well ask about it and let us know how it went he he.There are some sex shops in Moscow - amongst the best is "He and She" (Onona.ru) their web page is available in english as well. Clean shops with decent products.
DVD's - go to Savelovskaya Market - next to the same named Metro/Train station, they got large selection of porn dvd's... dont be shocked by the dog and horse porn..
Gentleman Travel
07-15-09, 19:01
I am arranging for a girl in Moscow to do some work for me.
Some market research and some translation.
What would a reasonable daily wage be for special work like this?
When I hired an interpreter in Kiev I paid her $50 a day, which seemed adequate to her, but she was just a student.
Previously a project I was on paid $100 or more per day for interpretors, which seemed excessive at the time.
I want to be generous with this girl, after all it is the firm's money, not mine, but I don't want to be stupid, or to price her out of the market for other activities.
Any suggestions?
Also, how can I get the money to her safely, if I am not in country?
Once I sent a small amount of money (about $50) by mail and that was fine.
But I would be less willing to risk a few hundred $$ that way.
Is there a practical way that works for me and for her?
Will she be able to deposit or cash a cheque or international money order?
To send money to Russia the best is to use Western Union or Moneygram.
CastOnThis
07-16-09, 13:30
How much do you pay for a girl that is considered high-end?
And it is only for sex not any GFE.
Bez Bezarra
07-17-09, 04:23
How much for a girl high-end And not GFE
1. In Moscow or not?
2. How old girl?
3. How long she has worked as prostitute?
4. How did you find her?
There's still a lot open to opinion of what high-end really is from one monger to another. Piz would say that NF has some high-end, but those 21 to 25 year olds that 'resemble' models wear 5 inch heels, fancy fashion and heavy make-up, are likely to have moderate to high mileage, that orders you to lie back and fuck you like its a business transaction.
That's still a big turn on for some, but I'd rather have a no make up tomboy institute 18 yrs dyev with t-shirt and jeans who gets soaking wet making out for half hour of dry humping, then tickle and tease her for another hour until she is begging me to put it into her hot quivering pussy and see her eyes roll back in her head as she's clutching the sheets. That's priceless.
CastOnThis
07-17-09, 11:43
1. In Moscow or not?
2. How old girl?
3. How long she has worked as prostitute?
4. How did you find her?
There's still a lot open to opinion of what high-end really is from one monger to another. Piz would say that NF has some high-end, but those 21 to 25 year olds that 'resemble' models wear 5 inch heels, fancy fashion and heavy make-up, are likely to have moderate to high mileage, that orders you to lie back and fuck you like its a business transaction.
That's still a big turn on for some, but I'd rather have a no make up tomboy institute 18 yrs dyev with t-shirt and jeans who gets soaking wet making out for half hour of dry humping, then tickle and tease her for another hour until she is begging me to put it into her hot quivering pussy and see her eyes roll back in her head as she's clutching the sheets. That's priceless.1) In Moscow
2) 18-19
3) For not too long
4) At clubs like Rai or Opera.
I wouldn't want to meet a girl at NF or a strip club. I heard those (opera, rai)clubs are good for picking up pro's who are young and very attractive.
I heard those (opera, rai)clubs are good for picking up pro's who are young and very attractive.
It's not really my scene, but when I've hit the elitnye clubs, most of the really hot girls are already hooked up with sponsors (not that it stopped them from staring me down, but still...) Also, the really high-end girl will want you to prove your financial worthiness before she puts out. You'd better have some serious cash, bro... I've had friends who put out $5000, mostly in shopping sprees, before they even got a hand job (though the girl was a 10 - I'll give her that!)
You could try mamba too. I'd look for the girls with like 50 pics (mix of studio work and candids taken at aforementioned elitye clubs) who say they're not looking for a sponsor. Many are breathtakingly beautiful. And pop the question. 90% will shoot you down, but that last 10%...
Not sure why I'm bothering to tell you all this. As you so astutely pointed out already - Russian women invested early in STDs like syphillis and the clap, diversified as new instruments came online (like HIV), and now have virtually cornered the world market on venereal diseases (though ya always gotta watch out for those Chinese!) And when they're not mercilessly busting the balls of their boyfriends' lamebrained brothers, they're only looking to infect themselves in new and interesting ways. Yeah, not sure why anyone would want to be with a Russian girl. Foooooo!
Osmotico77
07-18-09, 12:12
hello guys, sorry to bother you, hope u can help me.
I will fly to Mcka from Ukraine next 19th August and want to stay there 4 nights, I already have all the flight tickets.
I checked hotel prices and are quite absurd, in my opinion, so I am searching for any good apartment. The problem is:
- are these services allowed to release immediately Visa support letter in order to let me ask for Visa (I come from EU)? I was told it took time to get Visa through them instead of authorized hotels.
- do they "invite" me in Russia under their responsibility?
- are they allowed to make the Visa registration as soon as I arrive there?
Last year I went to Mcka invited by a friend working there, I was his guest so I didn't have to take care of these shitty problems. His company made the registration and slept at his home.
I found an interesting apartment with www.astorapartments.com but any further suggestion is more than well come.
hello guys, sorry to bother you, hope u can help me.
I will fly to Mcka from Ukraine next 19th August and want to stay there 4 nights, I already have all the flight tickets.
I checked hotel prices and are quite absurd, in my opinion, so I am searching for any good apartment. The problem is:
- are these services allowed to release immediately Visa support letter in order to let me ask for Visa (I come from EU)? I was told it took time to get Visa through them instead of authorized hotels.
- do they "invite" me in Russia under their responsibility?
- are they allowed to make the Visa registration as soon as I arrive there?
Last year I went to Mcka invited by a friend working there, I was his guest so I didn't have to take care of these shitty problems. His company made the registration and slept at his home.
I found an interesting apartment with www.astorapartments.com but any further suggestion is more than well come.
I would suggest you're probably better buying your invitation and voucher (visa support) from one of the internet companies.
This will set you back approx $30 and take 48 hours or less.
If you do it through the apartment firm then it will more than likely be slower and cost you more.
(They have to do this through a travel company anyway so they have the same cost and add some more profit for their troubles).
The accomodation listed on your voucher will be false if you buy it yourself but that's just the way it is so you don't have to worry about that.
It's the responsibility of your host to register you so you can clarify that with them in advance if you like and how much it costs.
Again this will cost you more expense but the alternative of registering yourself isn't really viable unless you can persuade them to go to the Post Office or OVIR with you which is very unlikely to happen.
(After all that's what they do themselves and charge you a lot on top for doing it).
Or you can just check in and go about your business and let them worry about registration.
Again this is not to everybody's taste but post 2007 the Militsia are not pro-active in demanding proof of registration as this is now the responsibility of your host.
(Unless you're staggering out of some well-known ex-pat hang-out in the early hours when they might try it on).
Seeing as you're not exceeding 3 weekdays in Moscow it's a moot point whether you need to register or not but I don't necessarily want to encourage you down that route if you're not comfortable with it.
Hope I haven't confused you more now...
Stravinsky
07-20-09, 18:21
I am arranging for a girl in Moscow to do some work for me.
Some market research and some translation.
What would a reasonable daily wage be for special work like this?GT,
You need to be specific about what you want her to do. Interpreter and translator are two different things. Translating is much more difficult and a good translator can be hard to find. Fluency with the language is not the only requirement, translating is more of an art than a science.
I have no experience with hiring a translator in Russia, but I have here in the U.S. Generally, translators work by the job, not by the hour. If you paid a translator by the hour, there's no telling how much it could cost. Typically they are paid by the word. The going rate here in the U.S. is about $0.15 cents, give or take. If you want to translate complicated business contracts or technical documents, it could be more.
For a young woman, maybe still in university, I should think $100 a day would not be unreasonable as an interpreter (in Moscow).
Western Union is one of the most secure ways to send money to someone, anywhere. But, it is very expensive. Between the fees you will pay to send the money and the fees she will pay to collect, the total premium could be 20%, for small amounts of money, under $1000.
The most efficient way is a bank wire transfer, but, she would have to have a bank account to receive it (or know someone who does).
PayPal is now offering accounts in Russia. This is the simplest and easiest way to go, but again, requires a bank account that would accept electronic funds transfers in order for her to receive money.
You need to be specific about what you want her to do. Interpreter and translator are two different things. Translating is much more difficult and a good translator can be hard to find. Fluency with the language is not the only requirement, translating is more of an art than a science.
You're right to point out the difference between translation and interpretation, Strav, but I can't say one is more difficult than the other. I should also point out that translation can be done remotely, and even firms in Moscow sub out to low-cost contractors in "the sticks", while interpreting is done locally, and the person doing it must present, and also be presentable, to say the least. Regardless, the subject matter dramatically affects the price. Translating a technical geological research paper will cost a lot more than having someone interpret small-talk over a casual business dinner. For nothing out of the ordinary, the prices you outlined sound about right. I've paid as much as $500/day for an interpreter with specialized skills, and as little as 100 rubles/page for simple invoices.
As for payment, believe me, you don't want to deal with Russian banks. Even transferring from my own account in the US to my own account in Russia is a pain in the ass. As for Paypal, the authorities will also question the source of income, meaning she will be required to pay tax on it (which I'm sure she won't know how to, even if she wanted). Despite the charges, Western Union is the best way to go, unless you have a trusted courier.
Western Union can be costly in Russia and many people avoid it.
When sending from Europe cost of Western Union transfer is 26 Euro for the amounts up to 500 Euro. So no matter you send 50 Euro or 500 Euro to somebody the transfer fee is always 26 Euro. Logically it is better to send larger amount.
The problem with transfering money in Russia is that amount sent by Western Union, MoneyGram and PayPal is registered as "income from abroad" and the recipient has to pay income tax on it. Can't say this is 100% for Russia. But I know this is the case 100% in Belarus and I was told the regulation is copy from Russia.
With hiring translation in Russia pay attention to this. If the translation needs to be in technical/scientific/engineering sphere be sure the translator is familiar with terms and expressions used in this areas.
Bez Bezarra
07-21-09, 00:41
Its a big mistake. Your interpreter is simply trying to get you to pay something for nothing.
If you simply WAIT, until you are there, nothing bad will happen, and your interpreter will do the exact same interpreting as if you sent money first.
They ALL ask you to send money.
One time, when I left, I paid my interpreter $200, and she did not complain to me, but she told someone else that she was very unhappy, but too proud to complain to me. So after I got home, I sent her another $150, but it was a stupid mistake and a complete waste of my money. I was worried about needing to use her or her friend next time, and it turns out that I didn't need either one of them. I found someone else, and everything was actually better.
Nothing at all would have happened if I had NOT sent her more money.
NEVER SEND MONEY, ONLY SUCKERS SEND MONEY. WAIT TIL YOU GET THERE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING!!!! THEY WILL ALL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WAIT, EVEN IF THEY TELL YOU OTHERWISE. THEY AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, AND THEY WILL WAIT AS LONG AS YOU NEED THEM TO, FOR YOU TO ARRIVE AND GET YOUR MONEY THEN.
Gentleman Travel
07-22-09, 15:00
You need to be specific about what you want her to do. Interpreter and translator are two different things....
For a young woman, maybe still in university, I should think $100 a day would not be unreasonable as an interpreter (in Moscow).
Western Union is one of the most secure ways to send money to someone, anywhere. But, it is very expensive. Between the fees you will pay to send the money and the fees she will pay to collect, the total premium could be 20%, for small amounts of money, under $1000..
Thanks for the advice from various sources.
Yes, it is translation I am looking for (not interpretation) and I know it is usually done by the word or page, but since this is for a brochure and web-site that doesn't seem like a fair way to do it - trying to translate a sales slogan is not a simple matter of translating a half dozen words. So I am thinking having her estimate a job rate or #days work might be reasonable.
And relax Bez, I am not paying in advance for personal intrepretation services. I would be paying ex-post for real commercial services provided, independent of whether I travel to Moscow and meet this girl or not. That's why I need to be able to pay her by some kind of transfer. I can't ask a girl to do real work for me now and wait months until I visit Russia to be paid, that's just not fair.
Yes I can see that Western Union is expensive, especially if the base amount is not large, but then the overall work is cheap, so that is just a normal expense of jobbing out work overseas. Another alternative is to find a Russian student here to do the work, but that is using an amateur, which may be okay - I don't think this work is wildly complex (not technical) - and could lead to other fringe benefits!
Gentleman Travel
09-17-09, 14:22
Can you get a Russian visa when travelling from a third country?
A colleague is on an extended business trip and wants to add a side-trip to Moscow on the end. I don't know if he will be able to get a visa issued in say, Berlin, when he is travelling on a Canadian passport? I always had the impression that you had to apply for your visa from you home coutnry.
Any advice/experience to the contrary?
Stravinsky
09-17-09, 15:27
Can you get a Russian visa when travelling from a third country?
A colleague is on an extended business trip and wants to add a side-trip to Moscow on the end. I don't know if he will be able to get a visa issued in say, Berlin, when he is travelling on a Canadian passport? I always had the impression that you had to apply for your visa from you home coutnry.
Any advice/experience to the contrary?I don't know about the situation in Germany, but a Canadian citizen may apply for a Russian visa in the U.S.
Of course, you will have to go to the Russian embassy in Berlin and make an application. And if you don't want to wait for 2 or 3 weeks, it will be expensive to get a visa on short notice.
It may be easier for a Canadian, though, as the Russian government seems to have a special fondness for Americans.
Can you get a Russian visa when travelling from a third country?
A colleague is on an extended business trip and wants to add a side-trip to Moscow on the end. I don't know if he will be able to get a visa issued in say, Berlin, when he is travelling on a Canadian passport? I always had the impression that you had to apply for your visa from you home coutnry.
Any advice/experience to the contrary?
From the Russian embassy in Germany website:
"Für Bürger aus Drittländern ist eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland erforderlich, ansonsten muß das Visum im Heimatland beantragt werden."
For citizens from other countries is a residence permit for Germany needed, otherwise you habe to apply in your home country for the visa.
Bad luck for your colleague.
It may be easier for a Canadian, though, as the Russian government seems to have a special fondness for Americans. SPECIAL FONDNESS - that's putting it mildly. My business visa expires in a month or so and I was preparing to re-apply. I downloaded the form from the web site and was overjoyed to see how much simpler and shorter the form had gotten. Then I realized I had downloaded the WRONG form. I had downloaded the form for EVERYONE ELSE other than US Citizens living in the USA!!!!!!!! For US citizens (or rather those using a US Passport), the form is the same one asking all sorts of inane questions about your criminal record and which countries you had traveled to in the past 5 years etc, etc.
Doctor_Skank
09-17-09, 16:31
SPECIAL FONDNESS - that's putting it mildly. My business visa expires in a month or so and I was preparing to re-apply. I downloaded the form from the web site and was overjoyed to see how much simpler and shorter the form had gotten. Then I realized I had downloaded the WRONG form. I had downloaded the form for EVERYONE ELSE other than US Citizens living in the USA!!!!!!!! For US citizens (or rather those using a US Passport), the form is the same one asking all sorts of inane questions about your criminal record and which countries you had traveled to in the past 5 years etc, etc.I agree it's atrocious.
But it is also simple reciprocity for the ridiculous forms Russians applying for visas to the US have to fill out. Thank you Homeland Security!
Stravinsky
09-17-09, 16:42
Thank you Homeland Security!It's been like this even before 9/11. It's not as much a matter of security as immigration.
The chances of a Russian citizen coming to the U.S. and NOT returning are a hell of a lot better then a U.S. citizen traveling to Russia and not returning.
But, you're right, the Russkaya Federatsia insists on a strict quid pro quo.
Doctor_Skank
09-17-09, 17:52
It's been like this even before 9/11. It's not as much a matter of security as immigration.
The chances of a Russian citizen coming to the U.S. and NOT returning are a hell of a lot better then a U.S. citizen traveling to Russia and not returning.
But, you're right, the Russkaya Federatsia insists on a strict quid pro quo.Perhaps, nonetheless the nature of the form is pure bs and it seems so American in nature that it must be a carbon copy.
"Name all the countries you've been to in the last 10 years and provide dates" and then they give you about room for about 20 letters?
"Name all schools you've ever intended beginning with elementary school, provide dates and contact names and addresses"
Absolute BS.
Thankfully, they dont seem to pay attention to it. I fill it out differently every year. муззафуккасccc...
Bez Bezarra
09-17-09, 22:13
I like the questions that ask you to list all the insane asylums that your aunts and uncles were ever committed to, and how many dingleberries you picked out of your ass in 1972.
Doctor_Skank
09-17-09, 22:23
...and how many dingleberries you picked out of your ass in 1972.That's none of their business.
For russian visa you can apply only at the country of your citizenship or in other country where you have permanent residence for minimum of 90 days.
So you can't apply for russian visa in any country.
Also since recently russian government started applying "negative points" for visa irregularities like failing to register or overstaying your visa. Usually they don't say you anything on exit but if they spot a problem they note it giving you negative points. It's checked when applying for visa later. This is valid more for new russian visa style (pink one) than old russian visa style (brown one).
Gentleman Travel
11-09-09, 16:34
We should all pause today in an act of rememberence of that glorious day twenty years ago when the Berlin Wall was breached and West embraced East, and intercourse between our seperate peoples began in earnest.
Of course there were many events over many months that lead to the end of the Cold War and opening of the borders, but the Berlin Wall was the clearest and most symbolic.
So thank you Mikhail and Boris and the many brave citizens in Berlin and Poland and Czechoslovakia who tested the will of the authorities and forced the doors open. And thank you to the many ordinary soldiers and border guards who chose not to shoot when facing civil disobedience in such a chaotic setting. And a special thank you to all the young dyevs who greeted us with open arms and open legs! We salute you!
We should all pause today in an act of rememberence of that glorious day twenty years ago when the Berlin Wall was breached and west embraced east, and intercourse between our seperate peoples began in earnest.
Of course there were many events over many months that lead to the end of the Cold War and opening of the borders, but the Berlin Wall was the clearest and most symbolic.
So thank you Mikhail and Boris and the many brave citizens in Berlin and Poland and Czechoslovakia who tested the will of the authorities and forced the doors open. And thank you to the many ordinary soldiers and border guards who chose not to shoot when facing civil disobedience in such a chaotic setting. We salute you!Yes, these were unforgettable times. Do remember them like yesterday.
Few years later went to Warsaw and slept there with a beautiful strip-girl. First GFE experience. She appeared to be Russian, and invited me to Moscow, but I didn’t go. :-( A shame, especially when I read the stories of you, old folks! Hungry duck, The eXile, Chesterfield, … Missed the party, … partly :-).
But it’s great to see those pictures and “reportages” again of the fall of the wall, and the exodus passing the Hungarian - Austrian border…. History!
Can you get a Russian visa when travelling from a third country?
A colleague is on an extended business trip and wants to add a side-trip to Moscow on the end. I don't know if he will be able to get a visa issued in say, Berlin, when he is travelling on a Canadian passport? I always had the impression that you had to apply for your visa from you home country.
Any advice/experience to the contrary?The answer is yes. I'm an Australian citizen and back in April of 2008 I travelled to Moscow on a spur of the moment decision.
I was in Thailand at the time I made the application and the people at the embassy assisted me with everything for the visa including the invitation. The whole thing took 3 (or 5) days. So yes it can be done. Heck if your prepared to pay a little extra, I once obtained a visa from Cambodia to Vietnam over night. I payed almost double the normal fees but the responsible person at the embassy came in on a Sunday morning to make sure it was done for me by noon, so I could fly out by 5pm. Now that's the power of the dollar working for you.
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
I now want to hit 1 or 2 places in Eastern Europe to visit these beauties in their homeland.
What country (or city) do you think offers the best selection, ease or operation (locating talent) and all around best attitude, willingness and beauty....beauty and attitude being the most important.
Price is always a consideration....but not necessarily the most important.
Would really appreciate any suggestions on the best way to go!
I am about 35 and in good shape, so if attractivness is an issue, I'm doing OK when it comes to that dept, but I do prefer semi-pro and pros to working the non-pro circut.
Thanks
MG
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
I now want to hit 1 or 2 places in Eastern Europe to visit these beauties in their homeland.
What country (or city) do you think offers the best selection, ease or operation (locating talent) and all around best attitude, willingness and beauty....beauty and attitude being the most important.
Price is always a consideration, but not necessarily the most important.
Would really appreciate any suggestions on the best way to go!
I am about 35 and in good shape, so if attractivness is an issue, I'm doing OK when it comes to that dept, but I do prefer semi-pro and pros to working the non-pro circut.
Thanks
MG
Helena Moscow
04-02-10, 19:51
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
MGMoscow is best. And may be Paris.
Question to those that have travled the region: Ukraine? Hungury? Russia? Romania? Somewhere else?
I have been to Brazil, Thailand, Cambodia, Budapest and have been with Ukranians in Dominican Republic.
I now want to hit 1 or 2 places in Eastern Europe to visit these beauties in their homeland.
What country (or city) do you think offers the best selection, ease or operation (locating talent) and all around best attitude, willingness and beauty....beauty and attitude being the most important.
Price is always a consideration, but not necessarily the most important.
Would really appreciate any suggestions on the best way to go!
I am about 35 and in good shape, so if attractivness is an issue, I'm doing OK when it comes to that dept, but I do prefer semi-pro and pros to working the non-pro circut.
Thanks
MG
Tough question.
Ukrainian girls on home turf are definitely not to be missed. Also, Ukraine is also easy because of the relaxed visa regulations.
However, Moscow offers a wide selection of girls from the FSU from "white Russians" to Uzbeks, Kazaks, and even Turkmen girls. However, the one drawback to Moscow is always price. Not just for the girls but just the price of BEING in Moscow in general. It's still a very expensive city to visit no matter how you slice it.
I also have been to Budapest and I would say that both Moscow and Kiev are head and shoulders better than Budapest for "hobbying". If you are up for an adventure you can always try the provinces depending on what type of visit you have. Ufa was a pleasant surprise for me and at least one other guy on this board.
While I have never been there myself, one place that I have heard a lot of good things about recently is Poland. A friend of mine just returned from a six week business trip to Warsaw and he was REALLY pleased with what he found. Excellent combination of price, ease of movement, superior attitude, and natural beauty.
Decisions, decisions.........
Passepartout
04-04-10, 19:41
Sirnoir,
give Moscow a chance if money is not an issue for you. You'll be amazed by the selection of girls and the possibilities of a non too bad looking 35 Y.O. man.
For me, no place can compet with the crazyness of Moscow.
Please avoid Hungary: this place is shit for what we like.
Kiev: for non pro i didn't like - but maybe it was only bad luck. For pro's then it is a good place and the city itself is worth visiting too.
Doctor_Skank
04-04-10, 19:47
Sirnoir,
give Moscow a chance if money is not an issue for you. You'll be amazed by the selection of girls and the possibilities of a non too bad looking 35 Y.O. man.
For me, no place can compet with the crazyness of Moscow.
Please avoid Hungary: this place is shit for what we like.
Kiev: for non pro i didn't like - but maybe it was only bad luck. For pro's then it is a good place and the city itself is worth visiting too.I agree with you on Moscow being amazing, but second Jake's warning.
Moscow is not for the slight of pocketbook. I'm not talking about paying for pros, but rather just the cost of everyday life. Most of the guys I know that adore Moscow either work there and are used to the prices/renting apartments or are business travellers with most of their expenses paid by their companies.
For someone simply looking for fun on a traveller's budget, Moscow will destroy that budget in the blink of an eye. :)
Up to you.
I agree with you on Moscow being amazing, but second Jake's warning.
Moscow is not for the slight of pocketbook. I'm not talking about paying for pros, but rather just the cost of everyday life. Most of the guys I know that adore Moscow either work there and are used to the prices/renting apartments or are business travellers with most of their expenses paid by their companies.
For someone simply looking for fun on a traveller's budget, Moscow will destroy that budget in the blink of an eye. :)
Up to you.
Yes Doc.
I have seen that with the crisis the price has fallen some where: hotels, transports, even a well descounted LH flight in economy (now I'm flying economy due company rules) from Italy if well booked before around 330 €. But from Air Berlin or such you can get it for half, depends where you start. But I have a high status at LH, and I do not want any hassle with luggage or such....
You can get a "good standard hotel" in the area of 100-150 € (queen, double occupancy, double breakfast)... Of course not at the Ritz. And you can eat good sushi, or an averge meal around 40 € (1.000 RUB) McDonalds or Rostink is obvious cheaper. This if you well know Moscow and have some knowledge of Russian. Otherwise.... it's not a place for backpackers...
If you not go for a hour pro... the expences are simple... (apart the girl)
And i go in the low end...
300 € in flight
100 € in visa and insurance
70 € in local travel to/from airport
100 € day for the hotel
120 € day for decent meal, drinks and bar
50-200 € day for disco and night club (if you are in to that)
10-150 € for extras: coffe, drinks, telephone, PC use, Internet, Cialis and condoms too... if you need...
And then is the girl... Very simple why this will never nevr be a cheap sex tourist destination. But when 95% of all this expences are paid by your company... why not? The best is well knowing a hotel manager or a renter, a house lord or something similar and pay your rent and services (in Kiev I get paid even the beers in advance!) pay with your card and get an invoice.... so you just have to pay for the pussy! Some get even that paid by the company!
Of course you can live in a 50 USD/day studio 40 minutes from the centrum by metro, eat on your own and flight may be Air Berlin, and take always public transportation. But you will never find a nice girl for your best friend, they (normal, semi pros, pros) are seeking for wealthy westeners... so if you live in an appropriate place, and do not look so much at the menu prices, it's far better...
I think (if Doc agrees) invite the normal girl in an appropriate restaurant, get thre in an "casaual/elegant" way, get her a small present, like a perfume, flowers, or foreign chocolates. If you are not an ugly, fat, and sweaty 50 y.o. cheap guy in the 90% of cases she will be naked and screaming in your bed in less than six hours (a bottle of italian wine, more elegant than vodka might help!)... this is for normal girls...
Just beeing asked from a crazy 19 y.o. nice blondinka, (but not a goddess) 1.000 €/night, she is totally crazy, but may be some japanese, and even americans... a better option will be in the area of 250/300 € the normal overnight pro area price in Moscow from 8.000 to 15.000 depending on age, travel, beauty, and what they do (anal, CIM, filming etc.).
I have seen the price of my apartment in Kiev dropping from 140 € to 85 and now back to 110...
So that it's
Just two cents...
IT
Doctor_Skank
04-05-10, 12:10
300 € in flight
100 € in visa and insurance
70 € in local travel to/from airport
100 € day for the hotel
120 € day for decent meal, drinks and bar
50-200 € day for disco and night club (if you are in to that)
10-150 € for extras: coffe, drinks, telephone, PC use, Internet, Cialis and condoms too... if you need...
I think (if Doc agrees) invite the normal girl in an appropriate restaurant, get thre in an "casaual/elegant" way, get her a small present, like a perfume, flowers, or foreign chocolates. If you are not an ugly, fat, and sweaty 50 y.o. cheap guy in the 90% of cases she will be naked and screaming in your bed in less than six hours (a bottle of italian wine, more elegant than vodka might help!)... this is for normal girls...
First of all, prices in Moscow for hotels are going up again slightly. Maybe they will go down again in the slow summer months, but spring and fall will mean at least 150 €/night.
All other costs are relative, but I usually spend about 50 €/day on side expenses like taxi, shopping in supermarket etc. If entertaining, a night in a restaurant will cost between 80-100 € (I am careful not to overdue the drinks, they get expensive fast) and a night in a nightclub between 100-150 € (I drink like a fish).
I can't quite agree on the 90% success rate on a first date score with a young girl, it is more like 30% on first night. Second night is about 80% and third date is 100%... either I score or I dump her. The 30% success rate is one reason I think restaurants are a poor choice for a first date. You shouldnt spend so much money on a girl you dont even know if you'll have any chemistry with. Restaurants are a much better 2nd or 3rd date, the "deal closer". Cafes or walks in the park are good first dates. Strangely enough, I've almsot always scored when going to the cinema with a girl. The oldest date in the book and the old tricks still work. If the girl is learning English, take her to a cinema that shows films in English. (Same goes for French etc.)
You can still score a first date girl on a restaurant date though, my last one was a first date restaurant score. I used one of my favorite tactics. After the restaurant when it seemed she was mentally preparing herself to go home, I proposed to go somewhere else for a drink and a chat. For whatever reason that seems to change their mindset somewhat. It's almost like timewarping into the second date, and girls usually put out on the second date.
First of all, prices in Moscow for hotels are going up again slightly. Maybe they will go down again in the slow summer months, but spring and fall will mean at least 150 €/night.
All other costs are relative, but I usually spend about 50 €/day on side expenses like taxi, shopping in supermarket etc. If entertaining, a night in a restaurant will cost between 80-100 € (I am careful not to overdue the drinks, they get expensive fast) and a night in a nightclub between 100-150 € (I drink like a fish).
I can't quite agree on the 90% success rate on a first date score with a young girl, it is more like 30% on first night. Second night is about 80% and third date is 100%... either I score or I dump her. The 30% success rate is one reason I think restaurants are a poor choice for a first date. You shouldnt spend so much money on a girl you dont even know if you'll have any chemistry with. Restaurants are a much better 2nd or 3rd date, the "deal closer". Cafes or walks in the park are good first dates. Strangely enough, I've almsot always scored when going to the cinema with a girl. The oldest date in the book and the old tricks still work. If the girl is learning English, take her to a cinema that shows films in English. (Same goes for French etc.)
You can still score a first date girl on a restaurant date though, my last one was a first date restaurant score. I used one of my favorite tactics. After the restaurant when it seemed she was mentally preparing herself to go home, I proposed to go somewhere else for a drink and a chat. For whatever reason that seems to change their mindset somewhat. It's almost like timewarping into the second date, and girls usually put out on the second date.
I totally forgot to mention that usually I meet girls first in day time, for a drink, a beer, an ice cream, or such, so if they come to restaurant with you at once or in the second date it's usually a yesssss...
IT
On a side note ....
With the multiplication of cheap flights to Europe (200€ a round-trip ticket from Moscow), it is becoming more and more cheaper to invite a "freebie" FSU girl for a few days to your hometown, supposing you live in a world-class city that she dreams to visit, such as Paris, London, Rome, ect. More and more, in the case of Russians, I find that there is no real reason to go to Moscow and financially commit suicide to meet an internet contact you mesh well with. Of course, for Russian girls, problem is EU visa ...they must prove adequate income and a need to return to Russia, as we all know, so it's only possible with defined social classes. The prime target is the cosmopolitan young professionals (that are plentiful on dating sites), the 19-22 years old student type broken dyevs from provinces unfortunally having very limited chances of getting a visa.
It's an approach I use since long. I've done it with romanian chicks (it's much easier for them as they have freedom of movement in EU),for some Russian girls from Piter or Moscow, and for my Georgian GF (EU has recently offered Georgia a visa facilitation agreement for its citizens).For Uzbek or Moldovan dyevs, it's unfortunatly almost impossible. Uzbeks even need a visa FOR LEAVING their country, go figure!
Anyway my last and more recent experience, with a Moscow girl I met through LuckyLovers (a 27 yo teacher at Law Faculty in MGU) was, as usual, really really enjoyable (she was already in possession of a EU visa and found very normal to pay for her travel expenses). She was even more beautiful in flesh than on her pics. And she was also smooth, cultured, witty, emotional, passionate, modest, enthusiastic, and furthermore, a real freak in bed. And she had absolutely no materialistic expectations as she didn't drink and barely eat.
So really, asking an internet contact you mesh well with to visit you for a week is a real good idea (of course, you have to provide a decent and centrally located accommodation and not live in a outskirts dump). And if you play your cards well, expenses are really affordable : personally I have a well-stocked wine cellar for "cuddling" evenings at home, a full list of trendy but nice restaurants and bars not that expensive, and to party, I inevitably take them at a popular and happening - and cheap - brasilian place where I'm well-known and that they inevitably all love. No Buddha Bar and alike posh VIP shit ... no need ... only nice, simple and friendly places. They are totally happy with that.
And if you actually take care of her well-being and fulfill her touristic expectations (looong walks, visits of picturesque areas and interesting places,ect), and at the same time really satisfy her emotionally and above all sexually (something we can, a priori, do), then she is grateful forever, literally.
My Moscow girl still sends me (two monthes after) several sms each day saying how much she miss the moments we spent together. Priceless.
Can you get a Russian visa when travelling from a third country?
A colleague is on an extended business trip and wants to add a side-trip to Moscow on the end. I don't know if he will be able to get a visa issued in say, Berlin, when he is travelling on a Canadian passport? I always had the impression that you had to apply for your visa from you home coutnry.
Any advice/experience to the contrary?
Yep… it seems really funny… I think you are making some kinds of confusion.
You never get Visas from the Embassies of the Russian Federation. You get visas from the Consulate of the Russian Federation. Might be in the same building but usually is even in another city!
Even single states like France or Italy are divided in areas of competence of Russian Consulates. By the way they are closed both on local both on Russian holidays.
Once a time in a land called CCCP (Soviet Union) if you got a visa to Moscow you would be allowed to travel around 70/80 km from Moscow, lets’ say to Zagorsk (Segiev Posad now). But you would have never been able to buy a train ticket to Leningrad.
As other big countries (i.e. Brazil) Russia in some kind of rules is still acting as Soviet Union: reciprocity. You do this to my citizens, I do the same to yours…. My personal non political opinion is that in some cases and for some things (not for visas) it should be enforced in EU too… a simple rule based on the others rule…. You can’t do it at your home you will not do it here…
The main fact is who you are and where and why you are going to Russia.
You are a single tourist with Business/sex purposes? Yes a lot travel for business on tourist visa, most of all, just go with the queue… or ask a visa agency. Get your hotel and your visa, just pay nothing is more simple…
You are a well known (by the Ovir and may be probably FSB) who is in travel and need a quick visa (your previously permanent business one is expired) and you are invited by a state owned or participated company? Almost every Russian consulate will provide a quick service (often even in closing times or on Sunday!). And of course it will cost a lot! (and usually you get no recipe!). In this case may be you will even get the Visa from the Embassy (I had it once from Sunday to Monday, but it was guaranteed by a real big state owned and run company).
By the way all the EU Citizens due to a bilateral agreement of 25 may 2006 signed in Sochi should be able to present a visa request in any EU country, but of course they need an explanation of why they are there and not at their usual residence, for instance a notarized letter of the employer… Really do not know why but this is specified and not valid for citizens of UK, Ireland, Denmark, with different rules.
Your visa history has a lot of importance for Russians (as obvious)… and of course from which country you are… (born, citizen and passport…)
How shall I say visa regulations in Russia are very elastic, but do not think they are stupid, and do not believe in the 5 years visa, usually it does not exist. It’ might be given to persons who have real motivation to travel often in Russia (even a 2 or 3 year one) but in the previous two years have used a yearly business visa several times. For a business visa you might be called personally by the Consulate.
The yearly visa is for unlimited travel not more than 180 days in Russia of which 90 in row (it’s printed on…) of course with a even with a good story and a permanent (one year) visa do not ask for a hotel reservation in front of the ship yard in Severodvinsk… uhmmm it might be really difficult!
Just two cents…
IT
Doctor_Skank
04-05-10, 16:39
On a side note ....
With the multiplication of cheap flights to Europe (200€ a round-trip ticket from Moscow), it is becoming more and more cheaper to invite a "freebie" FSU girl for a few days to your hometown, supposing you live in a world-class city that she dreams to visit, such as Paris, London, Rome, ect.
Good call Prosal.
In the case of travel-ready devs, bringing them to Europe is an excellent choice.
I’ve done it a few times before myself and in May am flying a girl into Barcelona for 4 nights.
I never take girls to my hometown as I like to keep a certain distance to the girls since it makes managing multiple relationships much easier, but in a variation on the theme I meet them close to my home and then travel to another European city that I myself want to visit. A win-win situation and with current travel prices in Europe's excellent holiday travel infrastructure, it really is very affordable. In fact, the only extra cost is her airfare. All the other costs I would have had anyway.
You are right that it is still difficult for Russian girls to get Shengen visas. They can get them of course, but it takes some effort on their part and some money. My policy has been that getting the visa is their business, but if they do I’ll be happy to take a “mini-otpusk” with her somewhere in Europe. And as you correctly stated, it pays sexual dividends for years.
You are also correct that, especially in Moscow, there is a whole generation of office staff/young professional dyev that has enough money to pay for most of her own costs. I’ve met a couple of girls in Paris this way, them paying for their own flights and even one case where a particularly wealthy girl paid for the hotel, 5 stars of course. A lot of these girls already have Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got on their own for their own holidays.
As you said, girls of a certain social class don’t go to Turkey or Egypt, they go to Europe or Asia.
There is another advantage that you also touched on. The girl’s mentality changes when she is on holiday, in a positive sense. I’ll tell girls upfront that we aren’t eating out everyday and should save some money for cultural excursions etc. They accept this without question and are genuinely interested in art and museums, next to lounging in parks or on the beach of course.
The biggest advantage is their gratification. I usually pick girls who are between 20-24 and have had limited travel experience. Taking them on a holiday to a glamorous place is worth GOLD to them in bragging rights to their friends. I really even think this is the most important thing to them.
A while back I took a girl to Venice. She still talks about it when we meet and she laughingly admits that she used our trip as bragging rights with her friends for almost 2 years.
“Dasha, you ever been to the Venice? No? Oh dear, poor you… having to go to Egypt again in the Spring with the poor people… Oh look, here is a picture of me in a gondola…” :)
All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.
Good call Prosal.
In the case of travel-ready devs, bringing them to Europe is an excellent choice.
I’ve done it a few times before myself and in May am flying a girl into Barcelona for 4 nights.
I never take girls to my hometown as I like to keep a certain distance to the girls since it makes managing multiple relationships much easier, but in a variation on the theme I meet them close to my home and then travel to another European city that I myself want to visit. A win-win situation and with current travel prices in Europe's excellent holiday travel infrastructure, it really is very affordable. In fact, the only extra cost is her airfare. All the other costs I would have had anyway.
You are right that it is still difficult for Russian girls to get Shengen visas. They can get them of course, but it takes some effort on their part and some money. My policy has been that getting the visa is their business, but if they do I’ll be happy to take a “mini-otpusk” with her somewhere in Europe. And as you correctly stated, it pays sexual dividends for years.
You are also correct that, especially in Moscow, there is a whole generation of office staff/young professional dyev that has enough money to pay for most of her own costs. I’ve met a couple of girls in Paris this way, them paying for their own flights and even one case where a particularly wealthy girl paid for the hotel, 5 stars of course. A lot of these girls already have Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got on their own for their own holidays.
As you said, girls of a certain social class don’t go to Turkey or Egypt, they go to Europe or Asia.
There is another advantage that you also touched on. The girl’s mentality changes when she is on holiday, in a positive sense. I’ll tell girls upfront that we aren’t eating out everyday and should save some money for cultural excursions etc. They accept this without question and are genuinely interested in art and museums, next to lounging in parks or on the beach of course.
The biggest advantage is their gratification. I usually pick girls who are between 20-24 and have had limited travel experience. Taking them on a holiday to a glamorous place is worth GOLD to them in bragging rights to their friends. I really even think this is the most important thing to them.
A while back I took a girl to Venice. She still talks about it when we meet and she laughingly admits that she used our trip as bragging rights with her friends for almost 2 years.
“Dasha, you ever been to the Venice? No? Oh dear, poor you… having to go to Egypt again in the Spring with the poor people… Oh look, here is a picture of me in a gondola…” :)
All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.
A master in seducing FSU girls.... all my appreciation ;)
IT
All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.
The bests. :)
There is another advantage that you also touched on. The girl’s mentality changes when she is on holiday, in a positive sense. I’ll tell girls upfront that we aren’t eating out everyday and should save some money for cultural excursions etc. They accept this without question and are genuinely interested in art and museums, next to lounging in parks or on the beach of course.
The biggest advantage is their gratification. I usually pick girls who are between 20-24 and have had limited travel experience. Taking them on a holiday to a glamorous place is worth GOLD to them in bragging rights to their friends. I really even think this is the most important thing to them.
A while back I took a girl to Venice. She still talks about it when we meet and she laughingly admits that she used our trip as bragging rights with her friends for almost 2 years.
“Dasha, you ever been to the Venice? No? Oh dear, poor you… having to go to Egypt again in the Spring with the poor people… Oh look, here is a picture of me in a gondola…” :)
All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.
Dr. S,
Again, you nailed it. I have found Russian girls great to travel with. I have tried the rendezvous in a 3rd location for a sex-weekend / mini-break an excellent investment. I was surprised at how knowledgeable they were in art and culture and how eager they were to experience life out of Moscow. Even a train-trip to Kiev was a like a magic carpet ride. I picked her up from the train station and you would have thought she just arrived in Paris. Nothing quite a like a woman on holiday.
I suppose this would be better classified in the "Dating Russian Women" category, but would like to share another little discovery I made with respect to gifts. On my way to Moscow I had a few hour layover in London Heathrow. Wandering by the Harrod's shop I noticed that they had these leatherette plastic shoulder bags for sale. Nothing too fancy but they came in dark green or black with a zipper on top and the recognizable Harrod's logo on the side emblazoned in gold (paint). They were on sale for about $25 each so a I bought a few just for the hell of it.
After being in Moscow for a week I presented one of these little shoulder bags to a strip club dancer I had been dating. Well, you would think I had brought her Gucci or Prada. She was over the moon with delight and eternally grateful (wink, wink). She immediately stuffed her other bag in the Harrod's bag and proudly paraded down Tverskaya with her new trophy after leaving my apartment. Probably the best bang for 25 bucks I have ever had!!!!!
Will wonders never cease?
All in all though, Russian girls make excellent sex travel companions.
The bests.
Not to mention the fact that they inevitably bring along in their bags the finest of their fine lingerie collection (which, for a russian dyev, is obligatorily huge). Yummy yummy.
:)
There is a facility on Rambler that allows you to search for "travel partners". Their profile indicates if sex is/may be included (хочу «отрываться без тормозов» (возможен секс)), and where they are interested in going.
I used it once to take a nice cutie from Kazan to Amsterdam (her choice) and we had a great couple of days. According to her, any of the girls that indicate возможен секс would do it. But that could be an unreliable sample size.
Some of my sponsorettes have also enjoyed holidays within Russia - bringing them to Moscow, taking them to St. Pete or a battlefield tour of Kursk always gets the right response!
Cheers,
There is a facility on Rambler that allows you to search for "travel partners". Their profile indicates if sex is/may be included (хочу «отрываться без тормозов» (возможен секс)), and where they are interested in going.
I used it once to take a nice cutie from Kazan to Amsterdam (her choice) and we had a great couple of days. According to her, any of the girls that indicate возможен секс would do it. But that could be an unreliable sample size.
Some of my sponsorettes have also enjoyed holidays within Russia - bringing them to Moscow, taking them to St. Pete or a battlefield tour of Kursk always gets the right response!
Cheers,How much did the couple of days in Amsterdam cost you ?
How much did the couple of days in Amsterdam cost you ?A couple of thousand Euros all up I guess, with airfares, accomodation, meals, siteseeing and a few little presents here and there.
Considering I was planning a long weekend somewhere in Europe anyway, it proved to be good value with excellent company.
My recommendation would be to do plenty of groundwork before the holiday though, just to be sure you both understand what is expected and just to ensure that you "click". You'll be spending alot of time with her, and you don't want to ruin the trip!
Cheers
On a cultural note.
It has been talked many times here of the importance to be a bit "culturally aware" to woo Russian women. Russians are really suckers for their own culture. For that matter, the knowledge of the existence of Nashe Radio inevitably boosts your position. Its chart is the major rock music chart in Russia. Many many devs love it (even if admittedly many also like electro-pop shit) or at least appreciate it for its 100% Russian programation and its unconditional faith in Russian musical culture. In any case, mentionning it scores you points.
http://guzei.com/online_radio/listen.php?lang_id=5&online_radio_id=2475
The main characteristic of Russian rock is being partly folk-rock, with unconventional instruments used in addition to the standard electric guitars and drums(like violin, accordion or wind instruments). Lyrics play also a large role, with many references to Russian literature, poetry and national themes. I personally really like Russian rock and Nashe is definitively my favorite radio worldwide.
Stravinsky
04-21-10, 16:17
The main characteristic of Russian rock is being partly folk-rock, with unconventional instruments used in addition to the standard electric guitars and drumsNot to mention that crazy oom-pah beat! :)
Not to mention that crazy oom-pah beat! :) I am digging it.
Stravinsky
04-22-10, 04:31
I am digging it.BTW - did you score those tickets to the Mashina Vremeni concert? :D
BTW, talking about Russian artists.
When a Russian girl asks me who is my favorite Russian singer, I am used to answering: "Bianka ...but not for her music!".
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=fr&v=LyuoGn4p6Mc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGLyxlU6zY&feature=related
The truth is that I kind of like Bianka's crap commercial music. There's a nice "Russian touch" in it.
Doctor_Skank
04-22-10, 20:07
Don't forget Mumie Troll and Okean Elzya.
A bit dated, but everybody knows and likes them...
Boombox (Ukrainian Rappers) are popular as well.
The Russian pop music scene is like Russia itself, unpredictable and surprising, and always full of contradictions. Astonishingly beautiful in one moment, but generally pretty crappy and unpolished nonetheless.
It's 4 decades behind England and the US.
But the guys are right, knowing a bit might help you get laid someday and it's good language practice to wail along.
Stravinsky
04-23-10, 18:15
When a Russian girl asks me who is my favorite Russian singer, I am used to answering: "Bianka ...but not for her music!". :)Prosal,
Nice... she's a real поющие трусы (singing panties). Try that one out on your Russkii girlfriend. ;)
Prosal
Nice... she's a real поющие трусы (singing panties). Try that one out on your Russkii girlfriend. ;)
I like the concept, and the wording even more. Thanks. :)
But the guys are right, knowing a bit might help you get laid someday and it's good language practice to wail along.
I think I get more bonus points for knowing who the pop stars are, than I do for liking (or more accurately - disliking) their music. Still, some of the rock anthems from the late Soviet era are pretty damn catchy, and fun to sing along with! It's not all Edvard Khil. :)
I think I get more bonus points for knowing who the pop stars are
+1
And this is even more true for the russian authors. Admittedly, it's only since a few years that I have an interest in russian women - and consequently, in russian culture - but very honestly, I don't think that any other women on the planet are SO suckers for their own literature and culture. And SO learned, witty and cultured also by the way. So mentionning classics authors like Bulgakov, Bunin or Lermontov (his novel "A Hero of Our Times" is, as "Master & Margarita", placed by most girls at the Pantheon of Russian litterature) definitely scores you points, but you will even more impress your non-pro target by knowing "modern" authors like Pelevine or Sorokine!
Indeed, the more I know about Russian women, the more I understand that being culturally "aware" boosts excessively your position.
I don't list those authors to brag BTW. But I am so into Russian women that I've, as a result, becomed also really passionate about Russian culture, sorry !! :o
Didn't know that "поющие трусы" was a girls band by the way Strav. Very crappy music, but I kind of like them. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J7C61dcVXQ
Stravinsky
04-27-10, 21:10
And this is even more true for the russian authors. Admittedly, it's only since a few years that I have an interest in russian women - and consequently, in russian culture - but very honestly, I don't think that any other women on the planet are SO suckers for their own literature and culture. And SO learned, witty and cultured also by the way. So mentionning classics authors like Bulgakov, Bunin or Lermontov (his novel "A Hero of Our Times" is, as "Master & Margarita", placed by most girls at the Pantheon of Russian litterature) definitely scores you points, but you will even more impress your non-pro target by knowing "modern" authors like Pelevine or Sorokine!
Indeed, the more I know about Russian women, the more I understand that being culturally "aware" boosts excessively your position.
I don't list those authors to brag BTW. But I am so into Russian women that I've, as a result, becomed also really passionate about Russian culture, sorry !! :o
Didn't know that "поющие трусы" was a girls band by the way Strav. Very crappy music, but I kind of like them. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J7C61dcVXQProsal,
The term поюшие трусы actually predates the band of the same name. It seems you spend a lot of time in the motherland, so if you watch the Russkii televisor, you've probably seen plenty of Russian music videos. There seems to be a constant progression of певицы (female singers) who come and go fairly quickly and then disappear after their 15 minutes of fame. These girls don't have much to offer: they can't sing, they can't dance, but they have acquired one valuable skill that has propelled them to the top. They have an uncanny knack for knowing when (and for whom) to drop their panties. Hence the name "singing panties". I'm sure that's why the group took this name: four gorgeous Russian bimbos, reveling in their bimbo-hood. Ya gotta love it, only in Russia.
You're absolutely right about the literature and culture, but with some qualifications. Russians who grew up in the Soviet Union are much better read than most westerners. That's because there was nothing else to do in the Soviet Union except to read. Those Soviet movies get old pretty fast. In fact, I have found that most Russians who finished school prior to, say... 1995, are not only well versed in their own literature, but also have a much better knowledge of American literature than the average American.
It's no surprise, really. The real heroes of the Russian people are not soldiers or political leaders, but rather poets and writers.
So, yes, for women in their mid 20's and older; Lermontov, Bulgakov and Turgenev should be familiar. If you want to take the process to the next step, you might want to memorize a few choice stanzas from Yevgenii Onegin. For the over 30 crowd, I have found that a verse or two of Podmoskovni Vechera (and a little vodichki) can wither the defenses of even the most suspicious of females.
Unfortunately, I think these tactics will fail on young girls. I'm afraid the Russian teenage girls of today are just as vacuous as their western counterparts. But maybe you have a different experience with the teenagers?
Doctor_Skank
04-27-10, 21:33
Unfortunately, I think these tactics will fail on young girls. I'm afraid the Russian teenage girls of today are just as vacuous as their western counterparts. But maybe you have a different experience with the teenagers?They are still very well read in my experience, I find their intelligence, or at least cultural knowledge, astounding, even among the ditizer ones.
Russian schools are still very Soviet in many ways, which does involve lots of repetitive learning and studying the classics.
Nonetheless, I agree that it will change with time. It is the nature of the beast.
I think I get more bonus points for knowing who the pop stars are, than I do for liking (or more accurately - disliking) their music. Still, some of the rock anthems from the late Soviet era are pretty damn catchy, and fun to sing along with! It's not all Edvard Khil. :)YOu do actually wail along, I mostly just pretend... :)
DJ FourMoney
04-27-10, 23:10
BTW, talking about Russian artists.
When a Russian girl asks me who is my favorite Russian singer, I am used to answering: "Bianka ...but not for her music!".
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=fr&v=LyuoGn4p6Mc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGLyxlU6zY&feature=related
The truth is that I kind of like Bianka's crap commercial music. There's a nice "Russian touch" in it.
I see what you mean... ;)
Is it crap?
Sounds like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Ke$hia not the greatest and quickly forgotten as soon as its heard, but I can attest being a DJ and getting music directly from the record companies, there as much "trash" that never gets played and sometimes it takes an adventurous person to play the B side of something and you get "Ice Ice Baby" and not "Play That Funky Music".
Less likely today with the Payola going on in the music industry and you thought it was outlawed...
And this is even more true for the russian authors.
Don't forget Russian painters and composers! You'd be surprised how many girls I've met in bars/clubs who not only could hum Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No 3, but also discuss the stylistic similarities between Serov and Singer-Sargent. I agree with Skank... by-and-large, Russian girls are far more learned in classical arts (literature, painting, music) than Amerikanki.
I see what you mean... ;)
Is it crap?
Sounds like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Ke$hia not the greatest and quickly forgotten as soon as its heard, but I can attest being a DJ and getting music directly from the record companies, there as much "trash" that never gets played and sometimes it takes an adventurous person to play the B side of something and you get "Ice Ice Baby" and not "Play That Funky Music".
Less likely today with the Payola going on in the music industry and you thought it was outlawed...
I totally agree... found several girl reading literature while relaxing... but my question… is different (I know they are intelligent and skilled).
I still can’t understand how there are so many beauties in FSU…
Former soviet girls are not only beautiful, due to a strange mixture of atheism, culture and need for money (I’m realistic) they are, in my opinion the best sex machines in the world (like the Red Army in 1945 was the best war machine ever seen on Earth). I’m happy I enjoyed all the ‘90s in Moscow simply wonderful….
But today I wonder Met-Art, Nubiles, etc. etc. girls are only modeling or not… (heard some voices on some available)
Just post the link to an hi def photo copyrighted but as a sample can be seen… very very close to absolute 10… for my taste at least!
Somebody has an idea of what Met-Art (etc. etc.) girls are doing while they are 22-23? They might be very nice…. May be available?
IT
PS copyrighted photo so I post a link, might be 18 or so…
http://www.met-art.com/freephotos/20.jpg ...Can’t imagine where starting kissing her… :p :p :p :p
SORRY I ANSWERED TO THE WRONG MESSAGE MAY BE TOO MANY BEERS!
Prosal,
The term поюшие трусы actually predates the band of the same name. It seems you spend a lot of time in the motherland, so if you watch the Russkii televisor, you've probably seen plenty of Russian music videos. There seems to be a constant progression of певицы (female singers) who come and go fairly quickly and then disappear after their 15 minutes of fame. These girls don't have much to offer: they can't sing, they can't dance, but they have acquired one valuable skill that has propelled them to the top. They have an uncanny knack for knowing when (and for whom) to drop their panties. Hence the name "singing panties". I'm sure that's why the group took this name: four gorgeous Russian bimbos, reveling in their bimbo-hood. Ya gotta love it, only in Russia.
You're absolutely right about the literature and culture, but with some qualifications. Russians who grew up in the Soviet Union are much better read than most westerners. That's because there was nothing else to do in the Soviet Union except to read. Those Soviet movies get old pretty fast. In fact, I have found that most Russians who finished school prior to, say... 1995, are not only well versed in their own literature, but also have a much better knowledge of American literature than the average American.
It's no surprise, really. The real heroes of the Russian people are not soldiers or political leaders, but rather poets and writers.
So, yes, for women in their mid 20's and older; Lermontov, Bulgakov and Turgenev should be familiar. If you want to take the process to the next step, you might want to memorize a few choice stanzas from Yevgenii Onegin. For the over 30 crowd, I have found that a verse or two of Podmoskovni Vechera (and a little vodichki) can wither the defenses of even the most suspicious of females.
Unfortunately, I think these tactics will fail on young girls. I'm afraid the Russian teenage girls of today are just as vacuous as their western counterparts. But maybe you have a different experience with the teenagers?
I met for work meetings 40-50 y.o. women (and of course men too) amazing culture... usually if they have studied a language they speak it perfectly.
Known a Soviet/Russian "Protocol Staff" lady (in her early '40s): her English was by far better than the one spoken at BBC...
IT
Dominos Dick
05-25-10, 14:57
Guys who know Russian please help me with this one- I am doing a Russian girl here in Mumbai, india and have become a friend type I just sent her an sms which reads ''dorogaya moya Laura titakaya prelesnaya'' I meant to say my dear laura you are so cute. Her reply sms was ''asshole'' tried calling her and sent 2 english sms but no reply. Now where did I go wrong here?? Have I screwed up the translation to Russian? Please help I don't check this Russian forim often so please pm me if anyone has an answer.
BTW, talking about Russian artists.
When a Russian girl asks me who is my favorite Russian singer, I am used to answering: "Bianka ...but not for her music!".
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=fr&v=LyuoGn4p6Mc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGLyxlU6zY&feature=related
The truth is that I kind of like Bianka's crap commercial music. There's a nice "Russian touch" in it.
If it weren't by the fact she is singing in Russia and due the fact she is brunette and has a couple of big titties I could probably tell she is a Latina lol
If it weren't by the fact she is singing in Russia and due the fact she is brunette and has a couple of big titties I could probably tell she is a Latina lol
The "busty brunette look" isn't rare in this part of world. Many people don't know what they talk about when they say that Russian women are all shapeless and pale blondishkas.
They forget that the Russian Empire, and then the Soviet Union, covered sixth of earth landmass and included 250 distinct ethnic groups (160 now in Russia), themselves being the result of centuries of mixes and blends between East Slavs, Indo-Europeans, Ottomans, Persians, Tatars, Mongols, ect.
Demographics in FSU are truly fascinating (and especially in Caucasus and Stans).
The "busty brunette look" isn't rare in this part of world. Many people don't know what they talk about when they say that Russian women are all shapeless and pale blondishkas.
).
I completely agree with your comments, it is a similar situation regarding demographics in some countries in Latin America, e.g. "tall pale blonde Mexican women" which is not that rare in some parts of the country as some clueless Americans would think.
Despite that lot of women in the Northeast part of Mexico (mainly from European descendant) look like Russian singer Bianca (busty brunette look).
Guys who know Russian please help me with this one- I am doing a Russian girl here in Mumbai, india and have become a friend type I just sent her an sms which reads ''dorogaya moya Laura titakaya prelesnaya'' I meant to say my dear laura you are so cute. Her reply sms was ''asshole'' tried calling her and sent 2 english sms but no reply. Now where did I go wrong here?? Have I screwed up the translation to Russian? Please help I don't check this Russian forim often so please pm me if anyone has an answer.Looks inoffensive to me, though there should be a space in one of the words: I think it should read ''dorogaya moya Laura, TI TAKAYA prelesnaya", which would mean like "My dear Laura, you are such a lovely person".
However, "TITAKAYA" (as one word) has no meaning, but maybe she's interpreted it as a foreigner's attempt to decline the noun TIT'KI, which means tits, and so would translate as a crude comment on her bosom.
If it's not to late, I suppose send an SMS apologising and explaining your error:
"Izvini moyu oshibku Laura. Ya nameren byl napisat 'ti takaya prelesnaya' "
[Forgive my mistake Laura, I meant to write 'you're such a lovely person']
Hey Spangle
Thought you retired, tried to reach you a few months ago. Send me a PM or to the same e-mail as before.
Lets get together for a beer.
Guido88
.....guys, I noticed that now you can contact a daily fixed number of girls, only 12 or something like that.
I tried in every way to avoid it, I paid even VIP, but useless.
Am I somewhere wrong or not ? Cause earlier I could write at least to 50 different girls per day living outside my country, so just 15 it seems really too little numbers.
Thanks in advance !
You are lucky, I cannot write to more than 4 or 5 new contacts daily.
I think that soon mamba will become like badoo.
It would be better to find some other site.
.....guys, I noticed that now you can contact a daily fixed number of girls, only 12 or something like that.
I tried in every way to avoid it, I paid even VIP, but useless.
Am I somewhere wrong or not ? Cause earlier I could write at least to 50 different girls per day living outside my country, so just 15 it seems really too little numbers.
Thanks in advance !
Assimil,
I am not sure, but I think maximum 10 contacts per day, so it takes years to contact a high number of girls and considering how low % are the real good answers, mamba was perfect 6 years ago and something almost useless right now.
Plus .... if you become secret agency and you will stop 200 users you get 5 euro credit..... that's why as it happened to me, you can get your account blocked for no reasons at all !
Assimil,
I am not sure, but I think maximum 10 contacts per day, so it takes years to contact a high number of girls and considering how low % are the real good answers, mamba was perfect 6 years ago and something almost useless right now.
Plus .... if you become secret agency and you will stop 200 users you get 5 euro credit..... that's why as it happened to me, you can get your account blocked for no reasons at all !
Yes it is 10-15... a day so... you have to do yopur daily home work for having backups... should understand if some can get 100 or so a day even paying, I got the Real status but does not help.
By the way two lesbian teens are setting up a АУКЦИОН "девственности"!
Virginity auction at 170.000 RUR for both now, surely some oriental guy will take them. But as you know I'm not for virgins, I'm for sucklin piglets! :p :p
But if I had a lot of money... could take them for a week and transform them in pros.... :p :p
IT
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But if I had a lot of money... could take them for a week and transform them in pros.... :p :p
IT
Virgins should pay you for make them learn everything in couple of days ;)
virgins should pay you for make them learn everything in couple of days ;)
nooo lukasek.... training two teen lesbian virgins... at least two weeks you know they have to match three standards...
1. valentina for gfe :p
2. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) by far best bbbj + cim/cof :p
3. inga worst cumdump ever met :p
they i can release them and earn royalties... :d
by the way somebody knows how to get more messages... not staying in ua or rus on mamba/flirt?
it
By the way somebody knows how to get more messages... not staying in UA or RUS on mamba/flirt?
The new restrictions have obviously been established because there was too many (I won't be surprised if it was several hundred thousands) foreigners spamming the site.
It's not a bad thing, as this surely means a better answer ratio for those who will use mamba when they will be on site.
By the way somebody knows how to get more messages... not staying in UA or RUS on mamba/flirt?
ITI think I got it. I can write much more than 10 message with the girls living in my country, so I guess it is enough to put in your anketa you live in Russia to be able to write to more than 10 different girls.
It let me know, but it should work.
I may be traveling to Russia later on in the year on a business trip and need some advice. I have heard about Nightflight, 911, and Safari. So my plan is to head to nightflight, and 911 for a couple of nights and then perhaps head to over to Germany.
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?
I need to send money to a friend that lives in the southeast of Moscow. I live in Massachusetts. She does not speak english herself, although she has a few friends who know a little bit of english. What is a quick and reliable way of getting money to her? (I have paypal, if that helps).
Thanks
I need to send money to a friend that lives in the southeast of Moscow. I live in Massachusetts. She does not speak english herself, although she has a few friends who know a little bit of english. What is a quick and reliable way of getting money to her? (I have paypal, if that helps).
ThanksWestern Union or money gram.
I need to send money to a friend that lives in the southeast of Moscow. I live in Massachusetts. She does not speak english herself, although she has a few friends who know a little bit of english. What is a quick and reliable way of getting money to her? (I have paypal, if that helps).
Thanks Western Union works.
I may be traveling to Russia later on in the year on a business trip and need some advice. I have heard about Nightflight, 911, and Safari. So my plan is to head to nightflight, and 911 for a couple of nights and then perhaps head to over to Germany.
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?For those clubs in Moscow, it depends on what type of establishment you are comfortable in. NF is worth a look if it's your first time to Moscow.
In my opinion, you can't go past an FKK. My personal favourite is Artemis in Berlin, but there's plenty of advice on the FKK forum.
Cheers
In my opinion, you can't go past an FKK. My personal favourite is Artemis in Berlin, but there's plenty of advice on the FKK forum.
Yup, even for us long-term Moscow residents, FKKs can be pretty cool. My last trip, I hit 5 stunning girls in 3 hours, BJs are always BB, and every single one was begging me to fuck her ass (for a significant "tip" - I declined). I know it's not for everyone. But if you're not squeamish about girls who turn multiple tricks a day and do so in an assembly line environment... then the price, variety and quality are hard to beat.
Closest thing here would be one of the larger salons which can have a dozen girls or more (a far stretch, admittedly, from the 50-100 girls I've seen at FKKs). If you speak Russian, you'll have no problem finding a decent one which offers nice girls for 2500/hour (that's under $80/hr and doesn't require any entry fee like an FKK). Fuck one girl for an hour, then switch to another, and another... they'd be more than happy if you fucked every girl in the place. Speaking of which, sounds like a fun thing to do!
Gentleman Travel
07-16-10, 14:49
Below is a link to an article in the NYT (and below that it is quoted in whole)
The thesis of the article is that:
"Two decades after government-imposed prudishness ended with the Soviet collapse, Russians still shy away from embracing European-style sexual mores. Despite a burst of licentiousness in the early 1990s, when pornography and prostitution surged through the country, the sexual revolution has never really taken hold here."
This is contrary to my experience and understanding.
I find Russian much more open sexually, whereas in the West (or US/Canada at least) we have a kind of schizophrenia - lots of sex in public cultural products (movies, songs, internet) but lots of prudery in private.
A case in point from the article - they mention sex toys as been "a tough sell" in Russia. Again, in my experience, if you haul out a sex toy with a Russian girl, she will "ohh" and "aww" over it and plunge it right in. Try doing that on a first date with a western woman!
I would be interested in the reaction of more experienced mongers on this topic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/fashion/15sex.html?_r=2&ref=global-home
Revolution? Da. Sexual? Nyet.
MOSCOW
James Hill for The New York Times
WHAT WOULD LENIN SAY? At the X’Show convention in Moscow, a latex-wrapped woman hands out fliers.
PAST the topless woman dancing in a cage and the towering transvestite perched on three-inch heels, Ksenia Borisova was trying to grab the attention of passers-by. Her wares were housed in immaculate displays, complete with colorful instruction manuals, but after five years in business she was still having difficulty generating much interest.
As always, sex toys are a tough sell in Russia.
“We have to try to enlighten the customers,” said Ms. Borisova, an owner of Erotic Fantasy, a supplier of German-made intimate equipment in Russia. “No one knows what, why and how: what lubricant is, why a dildo is needed, how to use vaginal balls.”
Other vendors at a recent convention for sex shop owners in Moscow were similarly vexed.
Two decades after government-imposed prudishness ended with the Soviet collapse, Russians still shy away from embracing European-style sexual mores. Despite a burst of licentiousness in the early 1990s, when pornography and prostitution surged through the country, the sexual revolution has never really taken hold here.
Sure, sexual innuendo is commonplace: on television and in glossy magazines and in the provocative attire of women on the streets. Advertisements with busty models have long replaced posters of square-jawed women scything wheat. But, when it comes to the bedroom, Ms. Borisova and others said, tastes here tend toward vanilla.
“There is just no sexual culture, none,” said Nadezhda Dovgal, one of the organizers of the sex shop convention, called the X’Show. “People are still ashamed.”
This is partly the legacy of the Soviet era, she said. The Soviet government tried to drive all talk of sex under the covers, leaving public life effectively neutered. A lack of private space, especially in the communal apartments of major cities, limited access to sexual encounters even more. “There is no sex in the U.S.S.R.” was a satirical slogan of the perestroika era.
“We have always had sex, but information on this topic was practically nonexistent,” said Yelena Khanga, who hosted Russia’s first talk show about sex in the 1990s, coyly named “About That.” In general,” she said, “it was not acceptable to speak about sex.”
She said that when she started her show, which for the first time openly confronted topics like H.I.V./AIDS, homosexuality and workplace sexual harassment, “it was like a bomb went off.”
Though such topics are less provocative these days, the annual X-Show, which is in its ninth year, might still be a bit edgy, even if largely subdued by the standards of such events in the West. Beyond the caged strippers — and the coterie of men drooling over them — were models decked out in the latest latex fashions demonstrating proper whipping techniques.
Ms. Dovgal, the X’Show organizer, framed the convention as a social welfare project for a country where sex education is practically nonexistent.
“We know that we are needed to help people preserve their families,” she said. “It is not important for us whether your partner is a man or a woman,” she said. “What is important is that there is harmony in the relationship.”
While Ms. Dovgal’s recipe for marital bliss might not be for everyone, it is clear that Russian families are in crisis.
There were three divorces for every five marriages in 2008, according to the Russian statistics agency.
Russia is also suffering from a demographic crisis. The population declined by 6.6 million people between 1993 and 2008, according to a 2008 United Nations report. Emigration and a high mortality rate among middle-aged men are part of the cause. But so is a low birthrate.
To get couples copulating, some Russian officials have come up with several ideas that Ms. Dovgal and her sex shop colleagues would certainly endorse. For several years the government of the Ulyanovsk region has set aside a special birthing day, when couples are given a day off to help reverse the population decline. Prizes are given to mothers whose children are born on June 12, Russia’s national day.
Yet, for all Ms. Dovgal’s concern for families (“Unfortunately, we are not allowed to admit people younger than 18 years old,” she said), demographics did not seem to be the main concern for many visitors at the X’Show.
“I’m into fetish mostly — pretty clothes, corsets, leggings, collars, whips, things like that,” said Olga Podolskaya, 41, a psychologist. Though the exhibition lacked the extravagance of similar events she had attended in Berlin, she said things were improving.
Earlier, she said “the products in sex shop were limited to plastic penises.
“Now, along with an increase in selection, there are — how do I put it — various extra services: seminars, photo sessions, there are stories and various books.”
Indeed, the outlook for Russia’s sex toy industry does not necessarily appear to be as grim as some vendors described. In the last 10 years the number of sex shops in Moscow has grown from around 5 to over 150, Ms. Dovgal said, and there are many more Internet-based companies.
Sergei Agarkov, a prominent Russian sexologist, framed the change as sexual evolution rather than revolution. He said he believed that Russians were slowly growing more comfortable with sex as a new post-Soviet generation has come of age.
“These are the carriers of a new culture,” Mr. Agarkov said. “They are completely different people. They are relatively free. They do not have the prejudices that their parents had. And together with them, attitudes towards sex are changing.”
That seemed to be the attitude of Dmitri Karablin, a 20-year-old student, who along with his girlfriend was perusing the kiosks at the X’Show in search of vibrators and a sexy maid outfit.
“People are less ashamed,” he said. “I have a young mother and can talk to her about these things. She even once recommended a store that I should go to.”
AColonizer
07-16-10, 15:01
Dear Gentleman Travel,
Beware what is the real meaning of human language as a tool of power people to manipulate the mass people.
For example, when you read "sexual revolution" in Western countries, it is sure the power people send a subliminal signal for "feminism", they want mass people think sexual revolution = feminism = good.
But you should know, if Slavic women are more female than Western women, it is because there is not still the feminism in Russia, in Ukraine and etc.
Stravinsky
07-19-10, 22:18
GT,
I agree with you about the schizophrenia of the West when it comes to sex.
Looks like Jim's editor said, "Hey, there's a sex toy show going on over at the .... Check it out and see what you can dig up." So, now James is obligated to write x column inches about sex toys in Russia. What will he do???
Since he's writing for the Times, he decides to adopt an elitist attitude and begins with the assumption that any society that does not think as we do, needs to be enlightened. Apparently, the measure of a society's sexual health is determined by how much money it spends on sex toys! WTF??? Seems to me this article says more about the writer, and his own personal attitudes, than it does about Russians and Russian society.
Russian women, and Slavic women in general, are some of the most sexually liberated women on Earth (well, at least the ones I've met in Moscow).
But, that's OK, let the rest of the world continue to think that Russian society is sexually backward, it just leaves more opportunities for us! :)
Hi guys,
I am going to Moscow end of August on a business trip, but I finish my work early.
I have 2-3 girls I've met on Mamba and willing to take it further, however I need your suggestions for a decent girl-friendly hotel.
The hotel should also be able to arrange for visa invitation letter.
I heard Marriot in Tverskaya is a good hotel, and they don't generally check the girl's ID if yuo take her to yuor room in the afternoon. Is it true?
In any case I will do the booking for 2 people.
Helena Moscow
08-04-10, 23:53
Hi guys,
I am going to Moscow end of August on a business trip, but I finish my work early.
I have 2-3 girls I've met on Mamba and willing to take it further, however I need your suggestions for a decent girl-friendly hotel.
The hotel should also be able to arrange for visa invitation letter.
I heard Marriot in Tverskaya is a good hotel, and they don't generally check the girl's ID if yuo take her to yuor room in the afternoon. Is it true?
In any case I will do the booking for 2 people.Hi Jo,
Marriot Tverskaya is fine, but if the girl is alone papers can be checked any time. More safe is Renaissance before 9oclock, Pokrovka and Katerina. Also we have new quiet hotel Garden Ring in Prospect Mira. If you accompany your girl everywhere noone will approach in any hotel.
Hi Jo,
Marriot Tverskaya is fine, but if the girl is alone papers can be checked any time. More safe is Renaissance before 9oclock, Pokrovka and Katerina. Also we have new quiet hotel Garden Ring in Prospect Mira. If you accompany your girl everywhere noone will approach in any hotel.Hi,
Thanks Helena.
I was basically looking for a hotel that doesnt have security who demand to know if she is a registered guest or not all the time, if I accompany her.
I had that problem last time in Sheraton Palace on Tverskaya Yamskaya.
I will check out the hotels suggested by you, if there are any more suggestions they're welcome.
If you accompany your girl everywhere no one will approach in any hotel.
Wow - that's a welcome change. I haven't stayed in a Moscow hotel in years, but they used to require a girl's passport at most hotels, if only to make a copy of it. Case in point: I had an Australian colleague who brought his (also Australian) wife to Moscow on a business trip. She was quite an attractive and leggy blonde, and upon entering their hotel hand-in-hand after a night of partying, they wouldn't let her in since she didn't have her passport with her (neither did he). They showed their matching wedding rings, but it didn't seem to faze the doorman. My friend could have left her at the door and fetched her passport from their room, but it was a matter of principle at that point. He waged World War III, had them wake up the management (who was quite apologetic about the whole matter), and then berated them for the next 15 minutes. They didn't have any more issues of that kind during the remainder of their stay.
Glad to hear that Moscow hotels are moving into the 21st Century!
Helena Moscow
08-06-10, 17:33
Hi,
Thanks Helena.
I was basically looking for a hotel that doesnt have security who demand to know if she is a registered guest or not all the time, if I accompany her.
I had that problem last time in Sheraton Palace on Tverskaya Yamskaya.
I will check out the hotels suggested by you, if there are any more suggestions they're welcome.If you need noone to touch you at all, then Katerina is better solution, because in large hotels you can't forbid them to approach. They also can pretend not to notice you near the girl ;) But when you advise them to pun on glasses they immediately apologize and make no harm.
Helena Moscow
08-06-10, 17:48
Wow. That's a welcome change. I haven't stayed in a Moscow hotel in years, but they used to require a girl's passport at most hotels, if only to make a copy of it. Case in point: I had an Australian colleague who brought his (also Australian) wife to Moscow on a business trip. She was quite an attractive and leggy blonde, and upon entering their hotel hand-in-hand after a night of partying, they wouldn't let her in since she didn't have her passport with her (neither did he). They showed their matching wedding rings, but it didn't seem to faze the doorman. My friend could have left her at the door and fetched her passport from their room, but it was a matter of principle at that point. He waged World War III, had them wake up the management (who was quite apologetic about the whole matter), and then berated them for the next 15 minutes. They didn't have any more issues of that kind during the remainder of their stay.
Glad to hear that Moscow hotels are moving into the 21st Century!Sounds strange, because they both for sure had hotel cards and key. Also I'd not advise anyone to move within Moscow with no passport. You can be stopped for this by the police for 15 (!) days. Theoretically. On practice it leads to few very nervous hours in a cage with stinky and drunk homeless guys.
Also it's possible to order a second key for your girlfriend and worn security that she is with you.
When I checked the Moscow forum, I noticed that Moscow (and also St. Petersburg) needs maybe a monger's map (like Alpha Tester's marvelous map of Warsaw).
Actually GandJim's Moscow maps helps lot;
http://isaw-db.com/map_mos.html
But I need something on printable format, with the names of the clubs, the locations, the detailed adress, opening hours etc.
Maybe, I will try to prepare some sort of map, if I have enough time for that...
Gentleman Travel
08-17-10, 15:51
Sorry for such a boring question, but I wonder if anyone can advise me on a bit of protocol.
I have a colleague who is going to Moscow for the first time, on business.
She is a middle aged woman and a middle manager for the company and not too sophisticated.
She will be accompanied by her husband and another woman employee.
They will be meeting and socializing with two young women who I have recruited to act as agents for the company in Moscow, plus meeting with some Russian partners/customers.
If she were a man and president of the company I would be able to advise her exactly how to act and establish dominance.
But as a woman with a man in tow, is it any different?
Like should she be paying for all the meals, etc, or letting her husband (who is essentially a tourist in this scenario) pick up the tab?
Is he going to look like a wimp if she is always leading and buying?
And what about when dining with partners/customers?
Does she let them host (decide where to go, pick up the tab)?
Also, they are likely to go to night clubs and strip clubs as part of the whole cultural experience (it is a fun business!).
Is it too weird having all these women and one man in the party, or should we have the Moscow girls bring some male friends along?
AColonizer
08-17-10, 17:04
Oh illusions, just absolute beginners' illusions: oh masters, where are the masters?
Already said dozens times: Moscow is not a cheap town for prostitutes, except if you want to pay five times an anykind woman for a quickie.
Places for foreigners are great cheats. English-speaking prostitutes are great cheats.
Don't waste your time and your money (even if that money if your boss' money): look for freebies and regular (nice) girls only in anyplace.
The biggest secret in Moscow: you can fuck for free!
Stravinsky
08-18-10, 16:48
Sorry for such a boring question, but I wonder if anyone can advise me on a bit of protocol.GT,
Nothing strange at all about a woman business manager or business owner in Russia, as long as she has her hair done, wears a dress, high heels, lipstick and makeup. No fair showing up in a pants suit, looking like she just tumbled out of bed (as happens many times here in the U.S.).
She needs to act like a lady as well. No fair pushing ahead of everyone, opening doors for the men, hailing taxis by whistling with 2 fingers in her mouth, cursing like a drunken sailor, etc.
The hubby will definitely look like a bit of a wimp if his wife is paying for everything. I don't think that will be a problem for anyone else, but if it bothers him, he might want to stay home for the business part and then swing by and pick him up for the late night entertainment. It might also look a little strange if she's the boss, but he's paying the bill.
If she wants to pick up the tab, probably best to make arrangements in advance with the waiter or the restaurant, so that the bill goes directly to her and can be handled without too much fuss. I'm sure you can probably advise her as to restaurants where she may want to entertain her guests.
I don't think that a trip to a strip club would be a problem for anyone except her. But, if she's willing to be a good sport and let the men have their fun, they will most likely appreciate her all the more and that will help to solidify the relationship. I don't think anyone will think twice about a man entering a strip club or night club in Moscow surrounded by an entourage of women, except maybe enviously.
Why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone? Have her take everyone to dinner at Night Flight. They have an excellent restaurant that caters to Western tourists and I'm sure the management will handle all the details of payment with sufficient aplomb. It will be fun for the Russians, who will be seeing it for the first time. After dinner, you can head down to the bar for (another) drink. It should be pretty obvious what goes in there and you could use that as her introduction to Russian culture. It's much more interesting than Matrioshka dolls. ;)
What is most important, if she wants to establish her dominance, she must be able to drink and hold her own when she does. Alcohol is the foundation of any business relationship in Russia. Being a woman, I doubt if anyone will expect her to drink vodka: champagne or cognac is more appropriate for a woman. She doesn't necessarily need to drink as much as everyone else, but she needs to drink along with everyone else and let them know that she's comfortable with that. If she's not a big drinker, then she may as well stay home.
Wise words from Stravinsky and just to highlight: If she wishes to look professional and for that to reflect on her(your) business, she will have to ditch the husband for most business dinners and meetings.
He will feel like a dick and her Slavic business colleagues will think that she is a) on a holiday jaunt and using up their time, b) not serious and her business is not serious. This can be a deal breaker.
Same thing goes for a guy who brings his wife to Moscow and expects her to join business stuff. Of course, his judgement is already suspect just by bringing her.
Your colleague, in my opinion, should send hubby off on the sightseeing tours while she attends to business. Who knows he might be delighted with the sights that he finds ? One dinner towards the end with all including the hubby
is acceptable, anything more and it reflects badly on all concerned including the business that sent her.
Ditto the dress code, she had better be very well turned out and be conscious of it.
E.
GT,
Nothing strange at all about a woman business manager or business owner in Russia, as long as she has her hair done, wears a dress, high heels, lipstick and makeup. No fair showing up in a pants suit, looking like she just tumbled out of bed (as happens many times here in the U.S.).
She needs to act like a lady as well.
The hubby will definitely look like a bit of a wimp if his wife is paying for everything.
What is most important, if she wants to establish her dominance, she must be able to drink and hold her own when she does. Alcohol is the foundation of any business relationship in Russia. Being a woman, I doubt if anyone will expect her to drink vodka: champagne or cognac is more appropriate for a woman. She doesn't necessarily need to drink as much as everyone else, but she needs to drink along with everyone else and let them know that she's comfortable with that. If she's not a big drinker, then she may as well stay home.
Gentleman Travel
08-18-10, 19:30
GT,
Why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone? Have her take everyone to dinner at Night Flight. They have an excellent restaurant that caters to Western tourists and I'm sure the management will handle all the details of payment with sufficient aplomb. It will be fun for the Russians, who will be seeing it for the first time. After dinner, you can head down to the bar for (another) drink. It should be pretty obvious what goes in there and you could use that as her introduction to Russian culture. It's much more interesting than Matrioshka dolls. ;)
Thanks Strav & Excess - yes I have already told her to dress like she is going out for dinner on her anniversary - and that is just for daytime business meetings.
And, yes, I have pencilled them in for a dinner and apres-drinks at Night Flight.
And thanks for the tips on managing hubby...
Angus Magee
10-23-10, 15:59
The November MIA is none other than IT Travel. Have a look at my salute to the man.
http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=590
AM
The November MIA is none other than IT Travel. Have a look at my salute to the man.
http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=590
AM
Angus,
A worthy recipient. I've admired his work for years, and have used some of his anal introduction techniques for good effect.
Well done IT!
Cheers
Alcohol is the foundation of any business relationship in RussiaIt is also the foundation of many hot flings.
Finding a sober girl in a FSU bar or club is presumably possible, but really difficult. Not that I am personally looking for. I also drink like a Cossak.
Excepticus
11-22-10, 07:53
Dear Jackson,
I have a kind request. Since I have been out of the mongering sport. Do you think it would be possible to add a thread. For prices. We could just report there and everybody would stop complaining and making same questions all the time
And happily I will move to Moscow. Finally another nice place to enjoy our favorite activity.
I hope I can send some reports soon.
==========================================
As you requested.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3159
Thanks,
Jackson
Banaanovich
12-17-10, 15:47
Anna Blundy, a former Moscow correspondent for The Times (of London) , wrote an interesting opinion piece in The Daily Telegraph about Moscow nightlife from a fairly liberal, Western female point of view.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8202242/The-truth-about-expats-and-the-high-life-in-Moscow.html
Parts of Deirdre Clark's novel, mentioned in the article, can be found at.
http://www.deidredare.com/
Stravinsky
12-17-10, 17:02
Poor Anna, it must be difficult living in a world where the men are in control and the women wouldn't have it any other way.
Get over it Anna, go back to London, where you won't have to worry about holding in your tummy, and find yourself a nice man who doesn't drink or smoke and only fucks you on Saturday nights. Sit by the fire, watch the telly, and grow old and fat like all the rest of the women in the Western world.
You deserve that kind of life.
I am about to get some rubles here in the US to have when I land in Moscow. The current rate I am looking at is 28. 5488 to the dollar, plus $10 delivery fee.
Should I go ahead and exchange a large amount here or is the rate better if I wait and do it in Moscow?
Thanks!
There is a currency exchange at both Moscow airports.
Thanks Climaxnow,
I wasn't clear in the previous question, but what I was wondering is if the rate of exchange would be better in Moscow that what I can get here.
Thanks Climaxnow,
I wasn't clear in the previous question, but what I was wondering is if the rate of exchange would be better in Moscow that what I can get here.I live in east Ukraine and watch Russian business news daily, it was reported yesterday that the exchange rate for the dollar was about 30. 7, however, keep in mind that the airport may not offer the best rates.
Stravinsky
01-13-11, 18:25
I wasn't clear in the previous question, but what I was wondering is if the rate of exchange would be better in Moscow that what I can get here.Yes, I think it's safe to assume that the exchange rate in Moscow will always be better than what you can get from your bank at home.
The difference may only be 200 or 300 rubles / 100 dollars, but it's taxi fare anyway.
That's what I was trying to find!
On a side note.
The mamba application for Iphone is pretty cool. Uploaded it recently, nice tool.
LifeSavour
02-23-11, 05:57
There seem to be many more guys living / working in Russia than Ukraine where I am.
Your expertise is needed. I am going to Saudi Arabia and need a visa stamped into my passport. No embassy in Ukraine, have to use Moscow's. So I sent my passport via "Babushka conductor" on train. Now it seems they have some 'crazy' requirements. Anyway, I need to get my passport to Washington DC (I don't want to fly there).
Is it possible to courier this passport? DHL, etc. Some years back I thought I read that Ukraine had some serious rules against this? Sure I can call them, but couldn't I also just hide it in with other items?
Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome. Once I had a friend flying over to Kyiv bring me some jewelry?
OR, last evening I met a girl that works for Ukraine International Airlines. Maybe find a person to 'fly' it for me?
Any guys flying back to USA soon? PM me. OR we can set a place to meet.
Thanks a bunch.
LS
Anna Blundy, a former Moscow correspondent for The Times (of London) , wrote an interesting opinion piece in The Daily Telegraph about Moscow nightlife from a fairly liberal, Western female point of view.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8202242/The-truth-about-expats-and-the-high-life-in-Moscow.html
Parts of Deirdre Clark's novel, mentioned in the article, can be found at.
http://www.deidredare.com/Blundy:
"But there are plenty of Russian men hanging around those same bars and clubs in the hope of ensnaring susceptible Western women."
Yeah right.
Well, I guess only Kurenda can answer this question. Maybe not though.
When and where will be held the next Nashestvie open-air festival (was last year near Tver, beginning of August). Also anyone been there? . It's a kind of anti-Kazhantip where participate Russia's most popular rock artists.
BTW one who thinks be able to enjoy Russian rock (which is NOT hard-rock or metal) has to give Nashe Radio a try. Its chart is the major rock music chart in Russia. Many girls love it, and if you mention it, your awareness, very very unique for a foreigner, will astonish more than one.
http://guzei.com/online_radio/listen.php?online_radio_id=591&lang_id=5
The main characteristic of Russian rock is being partly folk-rock, with unconventional instruments used in addition to the standard electric guitars and drums (very often violin, accordion and wind instruments). Lyrics play also a large role in Russian rock, and very often songs talk about national themes and Russian literature or poetry. Personally, it's my fav music.
Nashe bis.
This link is maybe better.
http://www.nashe.ru/online/
BTW.
There is a whole generation of Moscow office staff / young professional dyevs that has enough money to spend weekends or short vacations abroad. For many, Paris is inevitably their and°1 destination.
Had a nice weekend two weeks ago. A super hot Russian girl (young professional working in a big lawyer firm in Moscow) I've fucked a few months back made me a surprive by unexpectedly coming here for 2 days. She was sexually and emotionally starving.
Was a great weekend indeed. Russian girls are definitively wonderful lovers. And they love sex.
And they never can get enough of Paris.
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Stravinsky
03-03-11, 06:24
OMG, a picture of an iPod text conversation! I don't think I can stand the excitement. (big smile)
OMG, a picture of an iPod text conversation! I don't think I can stand the excitement. (big smile)I know, I know (smilie)
Admittedly, difficult to have a wank on a iphone pic, sorry to spoil your hobby. That said, this conversation has two CULTURAL interests. Firstly, that some 25 yo young professionals can afford to spend to "come back in Paris" just for 2 days, to celebrate a birthday, and this on their own money. As I said, it seems that there is a whole generation of young professional / office staff dyevs that can afford this kind of things. Secondly (but admittedly this concern only the guys who live in Paris and who are interested in Russian women, whose I seem to be the only specie here) , the conversation also show perfectly how Russians NEVER can get enough of Paris.
Anyway here is another kind of pic for you. Don't forget the tissues. (wink)
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Anyway.
Kurenda, no thoughts about the Nashetvie festival?
proposal,
this year is 10th nashestvie festival.
it will be held 8, 9, 10 july 2011 around small town bolshoe zavidovo in tver oblast.
in the last few years it's always held somewhere in tver oblast.
i was several times on this festival including first one in december 1999 in moscow.
the crowd depends if there's a beer sponsor. in 2009 there were not beer sponsor and attendance was less than 100 000 people. in 2010 there were beer sponsors and attendance was more than 800 000. this year organisers expect one million people.
regarding girls this is not good place for mongering. many girls are **** like 14-15, often drunk and on drugs. huge presence of police. the better option is to take girl (or better girls) with you.
it's not for everybody, you need to dig russian music, cope with large crowds, end be willing to be bitten by nasty russian mosquitos.
for more information of this festival here's the website. it's unofficial so not all informations are necessary true.
it's in russian only and those who don't read it then tough luck.
http://www.nashestviefest.ru/
Proposal,
This year is 10th Nashestvie festival.Spasibo Kurenda.
I thought the crowd was older. I know many 20-25 yo dyev (admittedly, not the "glamest") that love Russian Rock, listen at Nashe regularly, ad often go to concerts. That said, this is concerts, not open-air festivals. Personally I don't mind a few days of rudimental accommodation, pivo, vobla and shashliks if the atmophere and the music is good.
It's in Russian only and those who don't read it then tough luck.
http://www.nashestviefest.ru/Checked the site, there's a VIP zone. Some 200 us$. A Moscow girl told me that there was a lot of elite people (including dyevs of course) going there and watching the concerts from this VIP area. Very good atmosphere she said, not gopnik at all, very "arty".
To buy tickets :
http://www.nashestviefest.ru/fests/tickets.html
Really think about going there. Anyone interested to join?
Can someone give me a good advice?
I'm planning to bring a gift for this Russian family.
Some options,
• A digit camera
• A cell phone.
• A set of silverware.
• A set of glassware
• A set of dishware
• LCD TV?
• Cash? (Maybe not)
Thanks guys.
Bez Bezarra
03-06-11, 13:18
Can someone give me a good advice?
I'm planning to bring a gift for this Russian family.
Some options,
• A digit camera
• A cell phone.
• A set of silverware.
• A set of glassware
• A set of dishware
• LCD TV?
• Cash? (Maybe not)
Thanks guys. You going to wait to buy your gift in Russia, or bring it with you from your own country? If you want to stand out, it makes a little more sense to bring something not so easily bought in their own country, like souvenirs of your own country. Everything you mentioned is stuff they can buy at their bazaar, so it really won't impress them.
The first time I went to meet a new girl in the provinces, I asked her for some suggestions, for gifts for her mom and dad and brother. I brought the brother a fishing reel, I think I brought some seashells for the mother, and I think I brought the father some whiskey and a box of cigars.
Though they were all really happy, it didn't actually matter, because I decided not fuck the girl, so the gifts were basically a waste of my time.
Giving the gift to Russian family? What is the type of family?
Parents like 50+ with student children? Or maybe they are already grandparents?
From your list DON'T give silverware since most probably it includes knifes.
In Russia never give watches, clocks, knifes and scissors to anyone. Russians are very supersticious and giving this items most people see as your wish for the death in their family.
Glassware and dishware are not suitable for present in normal conditions. Russians mostly buy then for cheap price since this are things for everyday use. Expensive glassware made of crystal glass is good present for the wedding only since it will be used in decorative role.
Technical stuff like digital camera, cell phone or even LCD TV can be given as present but make sure they can work in Russia. Especially TV since Russian TV standard is different from rest of the world. Keep in mind people can be offended with such gifts getting impression you think they are poor and you're showing off.
So what to give? For the male members bottle of drink is always acceptable. But it should be something unusual like drink from your own country or something that can't be easily found in Russia. Don't give vodka as present.
For the females good choice is jewelry made of gold. Especially cross pendants. But it should have destinctive orthodox christianity look so you should get it in Russia. Also women like candy boxes and flowers. With flowers pay attention you give the odd number like 9, 11, 15. Don't give even number like 10 or 12 this is used for funerals only. The best flower are roses, the red ones. Don't give white or yellow!
Cash is always good gift. Russians give money as present in many situations: at the wedding, at the birth of the child, when young man goes to do his military service, at the graduation at high school / university, etc.
You can give some amount to each family members with explanation you didn't know what to give them so you give them money to buy what they want. Again warning. Don't give money directly in hand, put it on the table and let them pick it up. What amount to give? It will depend on your possibility and situation. You're not expected to shower them with money, you can always come up with story that you're currently not in good financial situation, economic crisis, etc.
Stravinsky
03-06-11, 18:31
As Kurenda said, Russians are very superstitious, so if you give jewelry make sure it is newly made. Probably the best gift for a girlfriend is to take her shopping and let her choose for herself. She will value the gift you buy for her almost as much as the time you spent with her in choosing it.
For men, a bottle of spirituous drink is always appreciated. I have received many bottles of vodka from Russians as gifts, so not sure why that would be a problem. Whiskey or cognac is a good choice. The best is bourbon whiskey since scotch whiskey they can get anywhere, but a simple bottle of Jim Beam that goes for $15 or $20 here in the states can cost $100 in Moscow.
Smoking is still very popular in Russia, so if Papa is a smoker, Bez's box of cigars is a good choice. One of the most popular gifts I give is something as simple as a Zippo lighter. I gave one to a friend once, it was some kind of Harley Davidson special edition and he was very happy with it.
Not exactly mongering talk, but I am in the process of getting an apartment in Moscow. Some come with Internet via Cable Modem and some come with Internet via DSL. I know that there is some sort of issue regarding MAC addresses for computers connected to cable modems vs DSL modems (something to do with registration with the Russian FCC) but what are the limitations when it comes to installing a WiFi router? If I get an apartment that gets Internet from a cable modem, am I able to put a WiFi router on that so that I can get WiFi throughout the apartment?
I have rented short term apartments over the years while in Moscow for a week at a time. Some have had Cable Modems and some have had DSL modems. If memory serves correct (no guarantees there) I seem to recall that those that also had WiFi were serviced by DSL modem.
As I understand it, the Russian FCC can map location of a computer hooked to a DSL modem because of how it is installed. But with a cable modem, it's more complicated so the Russian FCC requires that when a computer is connected to a cable modem, the MAC address of that computer must be registered with the cable provider. Where that gets complicated is when you have a visiting guest who wants to hook up to the Internet from that cable modem, you have to temporarily change MAC address to fool the modem into thinking it's still communicating with the computer that is register for use with that modem.
So I guess my question is this,"it is possible to connect a WiFi router to a cable modem in Moscow so that multiple computers, iPhones, iPods, devices can share the bandwidth"? If any of you out there are Uber-Geeks and can shed some light on this puzzle, I would be most grateful.
Thanks,
Jake
Stravinsky
03-09-11, 16:21
If you get your internet service from a cable system, everyone on the same (cable company) switch shares the system. So basically, everyone in your building would be sharing the same service. Maybe every building on your block, depending on how the cable company has their system designed. With DSL, the internet access is provided by the phone company through your phone line, which is dedicated to you, no sharing. Don't know how it works in Russia, but in the USA, your DSL service comes with it's own ip address, usually dynamic, not fixed. This is probably why it's so easy to identify you if you have DSL.
As far as the wireless part is concerned, makes no difference as to whether you have cable service or DSL. All that does is give you access to the internet. The wireless router simply connects to your cable box or DSL modem and provides local service in your flat. Most important is to make sure that the wireless router you buy will be compatible with the your cable box or DSL modem.
Also... if you set up wireless service in your flat, make sure to at least protect it with a password (it always amazes me how many people don't understand this). Otherwise, that cell of Chechen terrorists in the apartment upstairs will be able to tap into it and you might find the FSB knocking on your door.
Sorry guys to change the topic but lets get back to the topic about monger
Did any of you guys use this site www.rusdosug.com
Are the prices reasonable or cheap expensive?
Are the girls real on the photos?
How is per hour rated about escort in sankt petersbourg. Is it one shout per hour or how many times you want?
Stravinsky
03-10-11, 06:04
Did any of you guys use this site.
www.rusdosug.com
Are the prices reasonable or cheap expensive?
Are the girls real on the photos? Do a search on "rusdosug" and you will have all the info you need.
Mark Darcy
03-10-11, 18:09
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110310/wl_afp/usrussiadiplomacyeconomyvisas_20110310120551
It this does happen, all the Russian women will leave. It'd be the end of candyland for us.
box of cigars is a good choice.+1.
Cigars are outrageously expensive in this part of the world. Think West Europe prices almost x 2. Means a box of Romeo & Julieta Dukes 2009 (10 sticks) at 200€ in Ukraine compared to 125€ in Paris.
Wise and appreciated gift indeed.
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Globalnomad5
03-10-11, 23:53
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110310/wl_afp/usrussiadiplomacyeconomyvisas_20110310120551
It this does happen, all the Russian women will leave. It'd be the end of candyland for us. Contrary to what the piece says, this isn't the first time the Russians are proposing this. It's been around since Yeltsin's time, and was rejected by US each time, and will be again.
Globalnomad5
03-10-11, 23:54
Inaccessible all day today
Bez Bezarra
03-11-11, 02:58
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110310/wl_afp/usrussiadiplomacyeconomyvisas_20110310120551
It Russians don't need visas to go to the USA, all their women will leave. It'd be the end of candyland for us.But with airfare prices rising, some dyevs still need visiting sponsors to pay for tickets!
Mark Darcy
03-11-11, 05:37
Contrary to what the piece says, this isn't the first time the Russians are proposing this. It's been around since Yeltsin's time, and was rejected by US each time, and will be again.Putin's proposal strikes me as odd because he's been telling Russians about the danger of population decline in Russia and encouraging them to have more babies. Putin surely knows that if the US waives visa restrictions for Russian citizens, all the single, child bearing aged women will hop on the first plane to US. This certainly isn't going to help Russia's population problem. I wonder why Putin wanted visa restrictions waived.
Do a search on "rusdosug" and you will have all the info you need.No help at all. Can't you just write your experince if you have non than don't mind bothering.
I looked up it at google but different things come up. I don't know if its real or not.
Anyway
Do a search on "rusdosug" and you will have all the info you need.I tried now to search but its very limited information. I searched rusdosug fake and other as well as rusdosug info which resulted in information about how many hits the site gets and were the visitors visit from.
Does anyone know more abou the site.
Is it worth going to russia for a trip to monger?
Its not like shock prizes when you come down there is it?
Stravinsky
03-12-11, 07:42
Putin surely knows that if the US waives visa restrictions for Russian citizens, all the single, child bearing aged women will hop on the first plane to US.Well, that's certainly the typical Western jingoistic attitude, but I doubt if Vladimir Vladimirovich believes that. Twenty years ago, there was some truth to that statement, but those were desperate times. I hate to burst your bubble Mr. Darcy, but relocating to the USA is not the obvious choice that it used to be for most Russian woman today. They have jobs and families and homes and too many other reasons to stay in their homeland, unless of course, they are presented with such an advantageous offer that they simply can't refuse. So, no, lifting the visa restrictions would not result in a mass migration of Russians to the USA. Mainly because neither the USA nor the RF have any real desire to do that.
Stravinsky
03-12-11, 07:57
I tried now to search but its very limited information. I searched rusdosug fake and other as well as rusdosug infoI just did a search on "rusdosug" and came up with over 100 reports: plenty of info for anyone who cares to take the time to read it.
No help at all. Can't you just write your experince if you have non than don't mind bothering.I have, and so have many others. All you need to do is read it.
Is it worth going to russia for a trip to monger?Depends, what are you looking for? If you have a little imagination and some creativity and resourcefulness and are able to overcome the barriers to entry; visa, expense, language & culture, then Russia can be a wonderful place to monger. Based on your attitude so far, I would recommend that you stay away.
In any event, if you are looking for info on Russia websites, might want to look in the Russia websites thread.
Bez Bezarra
03-12-11, 11:25
Well, that's certainly the typical Western jingoistic attitude, but I doubt if Vladimir Vladimirovich believes that. Twenty years ago, there was some truth to that statement, but those were desperate times. I hate to burst your bubble Mr. Darcy, but relocating to the USA is not the obvious choice that it used to be for most Russian woman today. They have jobs and families and homes and too many other reasons to stay in their homeland, unless of course, they are presented with such an advantageous offer that they simply can't refuse. So, no, lifting the visa restrictions would not result in a mass migration of Russians to the USA. Mainly because neither the USA nor the RF have any real desire to do that.You know, whenever someone in the government does, or wants to do or try something, always look at the reasons that aren't so obvious, and always follow the money.
Like maybe Pooty thinks this will allow easier access for chechen radicals tied to Al Qaida to slip in to America, and deflect some of his problems to US security? Kind of like Castro did in 1980 with the boatlift, when he emptied out his prisons and mental hospitals, and flooded Miami with all the worst human garbage and criminals that Cuba had locked up, like Tony Montana, except this time, it would be suicide bombers or worse, like doomsday shit, women and children infected with military strains of smallpox, plague, or brain-eating zombies. Or maybe it will just make it easier for oligarchs or the Russian mafia to quietly get some of their rubles out of the motherland and into legit yankee investments? Or maybe Pooty thinks that if he get the US to drop visas, then he will reciprocate and drop visas for the US to visit Russia, like Ukraine already did, so Poots can get the mongering business that Kiev has been getting since 2006. No wait, Poots doesn't want the dyevs to give up their punanies. Maybe its for the Olympics?
Whatever it really is for, its not cause he likes Joe Biden!
Stravinsky
03-12-11, 17:18
Whatever it really is for, its not cause he likes Joe Biden!Got it in one!
The only reason Putin proposed dropping visa requirements with the USA is precisely because he knows the USA will not agree. So, Biden looks like a fool, Putin has lost nothing and looks like a masterful diplomat. It's really that simple.
If Biden had been smart, he would have called Putin's bluff and said, "Sure thing Vova, let's do it!"
I imagine Putin was just PO'd because the U.S. sent it's No. 2 man to meet with him.
I just did a search on "rusdosug" and came up with over 100 reports: plenty of info for anyone who cares to take the time to read it.
I have, and so have many others. All you need to do is read it.
Depends, what are you looking for? If you have a little imagination and some creativity and resourcefulness and are able to overcome the barriers to entry; visa, expense, language & culture, then Russia can be a wonderful place to monger. Based on your attitude so far, I would recommend that you stay away.
In any event, if you are looking for info on Russia websites, might want to look in the Russia websites thread. Ok dude.
Thanks for the info.
Were did you search and which frases did you search for.
I searched on the google and came up with almost nothing
Stravinsky
03-12-11, 18:23
Were did you search and which frases did you search for.You need to search this forum. In the upper right corner of your screen, click on Advanced Search and use the keyword "rusdosug".
AColonizer
03-21-11, 20:10
I have to attach an Italian article about the "Bunga Bunga" of Silvio Berlusconi in Italy. You should see a picture of a beautiful brunette escort in a police sexy dress who partecipated in a group sex (MFFF) with Silvio Berlusconi (75 years old) , a night ridiculously called "Bunga Bunga".
What does it mean here? If Silvio got three in Italy (at the same night) , try to guess how many dozens of young and stunning Russian girls Putin gives Berlusconi when he comes to Moscow!
Hi all, first-time poster here, and I have a quick question that I couldn't find answered in any of the earlier threads. So hopefully someone can give a quick and easy response.
I am on my second business trip to Moscow and do not speak any Russian at all. In my hotel (Korston) there is a "911 Men's club". I read here that you can definitely find ladies in the hotel and in the club to have sex with, but is there a lot of pressure to do so? I'm not ready to dive all the way in but I'd love to have a beer and watch some beautiful ladies, maybe even a lapdance. But not all the way.
Will I be laughed out of the place? Will they deal with me since I only speak English?
Sorry for the questions, hope there is some help out there for us newbies!
Cheers!
BT24
Hi all, first-time poster here, and I have a quick question that I couldn't find answered in any of the earlier threads. So hopefully someone can give a quick and easy response.
I am on my second business trip to Moscow and do not speak any Russian at all. In my hotel (Korston) there is a "911 Men's club". I read here that you can definitely find ladies in the hotel and in the club to have sex with, but is there a lot of pressure to do so? I'm not ready to dive all the way in but I'd love to have a beer and watch some beautiful ladies, maybe even a lapdance. But not all the way.
Will I be laughed out of the place? Will they deal with me since I only speak English?
Sorry for the questions, hope there is some help out there for us newbies!
Cheers!
BT24Don't worry about the pressure.
Clubs in Moscow tend not to be very high pressure when it comes to table dances or sex. Just have fun and relax.
Korston is decent. You can also try Aurora 911 on Petrovka or Penthouse Club at 21 Novy Arbat. I am in Moscow now so send a PM if you need any more info.
Have fun and don't worry about the English. The Russian word for beer is "Piva". After that you are good.
Jake
The Russian word for beer is "Piva". After that you are good.Another essential word to learn is "Apteka", to buy Paracetamol the next day! (smilie)
Stravinsky
04-06-11, 15:20
BigTen.
If you go to 911, another good word to know is Mojito. It seems to be the preferred drink and the bartenders will know exactly what you want.
Dance is tanyets (TAHN-yets) If the 911 club in Korston is like Aurora, then lap dances are usually in the private rooms downstairs. So if you want a lap dance just ask for a privat tanyets (pree-VAHT TAHN-yets). I think the private lap dances are typically 1, 000 rubles.
If you happen to run into a girl who inspires you to something more (and confidence is high that you will) then sex is in the VIP rooms (VIP kabinet). Can you say,"veep kabeen-YET"?
The word for sex is, well. . . Syeks.
Remember, no one in Moscow laughs at a man who has money. And money, of course, is the universal language.
Hi Nice site my first post so don't slam me if it wrong place or repeated question.
I'm currently tasting women all around the world well a'lot of it and been to about ten counties so far and Moscow is rather tricky even the taxi drivers not to Helpful, I had better luck in Muslim Country's & Ukraine which surprised me.
Now I can stubble my way thru a Internet Booking and gamble on what I get which I have done twice already, Ok but I want a Good girl in The sense likes her work and has no time clock alarm and pimp sitting downstairs.
I have a nice apartment so that's ok, I paid 10, 000rub last time and she was a tidy 7 and stayed till next day mid arvo another one like her be nice or two. Any contacts Numbers & helpful suggestions be appreciated I'm in Moscow till 14th April. I'm in the university area and just managing the metro to town. My Russian is next to nil but can smile and rub some notes together. I would love to try a Russian sauna with gals but think I need a good Girl to take / show me the way.
Next stop Brazil I hope things better there or even better they improve here, some very nice girls around just don't speak English and the wink and come here signals not working ).
Thanks for any help.
Gary
"My Joy" : a rambling, nightmare journey through the dark soul of Russia.
A great movie, recommended to anyone interested by a harsh tale about contemporary "deep" Russia, which has yet to civilize itself and is rotted to the core.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtXBgozu4C4
Stravinsky
04-10-11, 19:34
I saw an excellent film on the Russkii televisor couple of weeks ago: Ночные сестры (The Night Nurses)
It's about a rich, young biznyessman who crashes his Mercedes while on a trip to the provinces (Perm). He is rushed to the clinic with minor injuries, where he is tended to by the night nurses on duty, who just happen to be 4 beautiful young dyevchonki, starved for male attention.
You can probably guess the rest. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Sb8z23CK8
Just for the information.
Has anyone already brought in Russia large quantities of cigars?
Don't know yet if next long vacations will be in Ukraine or Russia, but in both cases I plan to bring something like 2 boxes of 50 sticks each.
I wouldn't like to be denuded of a box of Cohibas.
Stravinsky
04-13-11, 15:51
Has anyone already brought in Russia large quantities of cigars?I only take cigars out of Russia (Habanas) , not in. But I don't think it should be a problem. You can pretty much bring anything you want into Russia. The trick is. . . How do you get it back out? As long as you plan to smoke them all during your stay, you shouldn't have a problem.
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Has anyone already brought in Russia large quantities of cigars?
I did not, but I guess you should not have problem at all, maybe despite tip, if in need, the man of customer control with some rubles or couple of cigars. It depends if he smoke or not. You can bs him with something as cigars are present to your business partner a very important person who will not be happy "somebody" at customer took his present without any good reason to do it
Thanks for the tips guys.
I only take cigars out of Russia (Habanas) , not in.I presume it's to bring them back to the States.
I personally buy my cigars through internet, to company based in Gibraltar. Very reliable, inevitably good quality, and quick delivery. About half the price that I could pay in shop in West Europe, and 1/3 of the (outrageous) prices of FSU. Just received yesterday two boxes of H Upmann Number 2 (piramides) BTW. Construction flawless. I smoked the first one down to the nub, and twenty minutes later, I was cutting and lighting a second stick. An excellent cigar indeed!
Anyway, if you're interested, I can send you the site by PM.
HarryDubois
04-13-11, 17:31
I live in New York City. I'm divorced, have three kids (not with me) and a good job. I am 50 years old, but tall, athletic, not bald, cute FOR MY AGE, but I am middle aged.
Recently, I've been using Anastasia. Com to correspond with several gorgeous college age girls in FSU, primarily southern and eastern Ukraine. They seem very, very eager to meet me.
Theoretically, does anyone think I could marry, bring to New York and live happily ever after with my Ukrainian dream girl? Or am I crazy?
Angus Magee
04-13-11, 18:29
Or am I crazy?I mean, what could possibly go wrong.
AM
Even a better question is how much is trustable this agency and their profiles?
Call me suspicious but I do not remember any report at all about this agency and the first who wrote about it is a member with just 2 posts.
HarryDubois
04-13-11, 21:01
On their site, they offer video chats with the girls. So you can actually see that this is a real attractive girl you are communicating with. And I believe that they are interested in marrying American men, depending on who he is.
My question really is: when 20 year old Olga, Natasha, etc meets me in lugansk or Kharkov, she may actually fall in love with her "rich" American "mature" man. However what about a year or two later, when plenty of guys half my age are flirting with her here in New York? Will she dump the "old man" like a hot potato?
(by the way, I hope I'm not disrupting this forum; this is not really prostitute related)
Don't worry about the pressure.
Clubs in Moscow tend not to be very high pressure when it comes to table dances or sex. Just have fun and relax.
Korston is decent. You can also try Aurora 911 on Petrovka or Penthouse Club at 21 Novy Arbat. I am in Moscow now so send a PM if you need any more info.
Have fun and don't worry about the English. The Russian word for beer is "Piva". After that you are good.
JakeThanks Jake! Much appreciate the feedback. I will be traveling back and forth to Moscow the next few months so I may give the place a try.
BigTen.
If you go to 911, another good word to know is Mojito. It seems to be the preferred drink and the bartenders will know exactly what you want.
Dance is tanyets (TAHN-yets) If the 911 club in Korston is like Aurora, then lap dances are usually in the private rooms downstairs. So if you want a lap dance just ask for a privat tanyets (pree-VAHT TAHN-yets). I think the private lap dances are typically 1, 000 rubles.
If you happen to run into a girl who inspires you to something more (and confidence is high that you will) then sex is in the VIP rooms (VIP kabinet). Can you say,"veep kabeen-YET"?
The word for sex is, well. . . Syeks.
Remember, no one in Moscow laughs at a man who has money. And money, of course, is the universal language. Thanks Stravinsky! If I venture in I will definitely report back.
Bez Bezarra
04-13-11, 23:42
Does anyone think that I, being 50, could marry a gorgeous college age girl from Ukraine, bring her to New York and live happily ever after?
Or am I crazy? You'd be crazy if you didn't try. What's the worst thing that can happen? You're already divorced.
You'd be even crazier to waste one more minute of your time left on earth with any western female.
Why not take the first real step, buy a ticket, and go check it out?
It promises to be quite an adventure.
The odds are stacked against you. But so what.
You afraid of a challenge? You want something easy? You already got that, didn't ya.
The world is a fucking oyster. Get the fuck out of New York and go shuck a few bushels!
Will she dump the "old man" like a hot potato?She will not dump you, it will be much worse
HarryDubois
04-14-11, 02:08
However I wonder if it's really cost effective. Figure the expenses that might be involved in giving someone who MAY be merely a gold digger full access to my home, compared to just paying for some temporary companionship. Sort of semi-pro, girlfriend, style.
I'm not sure what's cost effective.
If I thought the girl really loved me, as she claims to, it would be worthwhile.
Bez Bezarra
04-14-11, 11:06
I wonder how expensive it might be paying a gold digger for girlfriend sex.
I'm not sure if the girl really loves me, as she claims to.Again, the best way to unravel these mysteries is to go find out for yourself.
The worst thing you can do is listen to the advice of anyone here.
If you do your homework, you'll likely get your answers LONG BEFORE you give someone full access to your home.
But never forget, one way or the other, in the end, you always pay.
Its like expensive jewelry, if you're going to worry about the price, then you can't afford it to begin with.
If you're not sure some girl 30 years younger than you, that you've never met, really loves you, then you might want to get back up on that turnip truck you just fell off of.
However I wonder if it's really cost effective. Figure the expenses that might be involved in giving someone who MAY be merely a gold digger full access to my home, compared to just paying for some temporary companionship. Sort of semi-pro, girlfriend, style.
I'm not sure what's cost effective.
If I thought the girl really loved me, as she claims to, it would be worthwhile. I've invited MANY Russian girls (that already had Shengen visas that they got through work or from previous vacations) here in Paris, and find that if you actually take care of their well-being and fulfill their touristic expectations (loooooong romantic walks, visits of picturesque areas, monuments, ect) , and at the same time really satisfy them emotionally and sexually, then they is grateful forever, literally. Also I find that their mentality, once here, is very positive. They are totally happy with dinners in simple yet nice typical restaurants, evenings at home with some good wine, a plate of cheese and a good movie, ect. No Buddha Bar and alike posh VIP shit. No need. Only simple touristic things and nice and friendly places.
The legend of the greedy Russian girl only eager to retrieve you from your last €€ by dragging you in financially suicidally places is simply ridiculous. Treat a Russian woman nicely, open yourself emotionally, be confident and "strong" but nice and romantic at the same time, always show her some male courtesy and respect, and you'll be surprised what she will do for you without you even asking.
My question really is: when 20 year old Olga, Natasha, etc meets me in lugansk or Kharkov, she may actually fall in love with her "rich" American "mature" man. However what about a year or two later, when plenty of guys half my age are flirting with her here in New York? Will she dump the "old man" like a hot potato?A Russian girl wants someone she respects, someone who is aware about her culture, someone she can communicate with, someone who knows her on a deeper emotional and cultural level. So I could not emphasize more about the advantages to learn a bit about Russian literature, painting, music, ect. Even the most disty are suckers for their own culture. If your girl knows that you are not only with her for her ass, but also because you understand a bit Russia, know about it and appreciate it, believe me, the younger guys (usually culturally totally unaware) who solely want to fuck her will not be able to compete with you. I've had dozens of time the proof of it.
Even on my mamba profile, I put a lot of emphasis on cultural knowledge. It's not a direct ticket to the girls panties, but it definitely wins me points.
BTW, my "top five" Russian classics are:
- Master & Margarita. Bulgakov (a book that ALL Russians place, with good reasons, at the Pantheon of literature)
- The Dead Souls. Gogol
- A Hero of Our Time. Lermontov.
- Crime & Punishment. Dostoievski
- The Life of Arseniev. Bunin
HarryDubois
04-14-11, 23:13
just wondering about russian literature. if "[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)" is my favorite, does that count too? .
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BTW, my "top five" Russian classics are:
- Master & Margarita. Bulgakov (a book that ALL Russians place, with good reasons, at the Pantheon of literature)
- The Dead Souls. Gogol
- A Hero of Our Time. Lermontov.
- Crime & Punishment. Dostoievski
- The Life of Arseniev. BuninWOW Prosal!
You never stop to surprise me, not only you have huge knowledge about almost all Brazil and you travelled to places in FSU where most here neither know where they are but even Russian literature?
I know more or less all your "top five" from the school, surely not easy-books to be read, but they belong to the story of Russia with no doubt.
Nice, really nice in the forum supposed to be only about prostitutes to find one who can appreciate the whole meaning of RUSSIA!
I hope, even more than before, that sooner or later, better sooner ;) , we will meet somewhere in FSU and yeah, no matter where, cause with the right buddy you do not need a particular good place to have.... fun, you create the Fun, even easier in FSU ! :D
BTW, my "top five" Russian classics are:
- Master & Margarita. Bulgakov (a book that ALL Russians place, with good reasons, at the Pantheon of literature)
- The Dead Souls. Gogol
- A Hero of Our Time. Lermontov.
- Crime & Punishment. Dostoievski
- The Life of Arseniev. BuninGood point. And excellent list. My other addiction is reading, and I would like to point out for visitors to Kiev that there is now a nice English translation of Bulgakov's roman, The White Knight, in which there are many references to places in Kiev. I have found out knowledge of this is very present among the women I have met there, and even the house where most of the story takes place, is still to be seen. But beware also, people may get very emotional about this story, as they also may get agitated about the old churches and their role in modern times. But who can fully understand women, let alone the Russian woman.
Udachi, RB
Ricky Ross
04-15-11, 07:20
Newbe question here: How does sponsoring generally work? How much money do most FSU girls expect and what can I expect in return? What would be fair bargain? Any info appreciated.
Speaking of the cinema.BTW, speaking of literature and cinema, the Viktor Pelevin's most famous novel, 'Generation P", has been adapted for cinema and will be soon coming out in film.
For those who ignore it, Pelevin is the most popular modern (and totally nutty) author in Russia, and "Generation P" is his cult book. The book tracks the adventures of a young intellectual, Vavilen Tatarsky, who becomes a kopiraiter (an advertising copywriter) in kiosks held by Chechens, and is adrift in the glamorously corrupt Moscow of the early 90s. But while the novel ends with the 90s, the film seems to continue until a near future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqe-nNhp0kw
A must-see. Typically the kind of cultural knowledge that wins you poins with a Russian girl.
but even Russian literature?Right.
You know, most of guys who rave about Russian dievs don't know shit about the culture of the girls they want to fuck.
That's simply silly.
Good point. And excellent list. My other addiction is reading, and I would like to point out for visitors to Kiev that there is now a nice English translation of Bulgakov's roman, The White Knight, in which there are many references to places in Kiev. I have found out knowledge of this is very present among the women I have met there, and even the house where most of the story takes place, is still to be seen. But beware also, people may get very emotional about this story, as they also may get agitated about the old churches and their role in modern times. But who can fully understand women, let alone the Russian woman.
Udachi, RBSpasibo. Speaking of Ukraine, and before to get back on tracks (fucking Slavic girls) I just finished the last Andrei Kourkov novel,"The President's Last Love".
It's the story, told in the first person, of Sergei Pavlovich Bunin, born in the Soviet Union in the early 60's, who progresses from being an unemployed youth to becoming the President of the post-Soviet Ukraine. Andrei Kourkov is best at humour, in particular the absurdities of post-Soviet life in Ukraine. Corrupt politicians, incompetent officials, etc. Absurdly wonderful book, a great read, highly recommanded.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Presidents-...v/dp/1843432579
BTW his other books are also great, notally his hits, 'Death and the Penguin' and 'Pengouin Lost'. Wonderful, funny, tragic and brilliant books packed with intrigue and mordant humour : Viktor tracks down his beloved Penguin, Misha, through Ukraine, Russia and even Chechenya. True gems.
HarryDubois
04-15-11, 12:29
"A Russian girl wants someone she respects"
I get the impression, however perhaps I am misunderstanding, that being cultured, educated etc sort of a professor type (I don't want to give any identifying information, however I am an academic) would be a big hit with the young sexy kittens in Odessa or Kharkov.
Am I right?
Azertiefou
04-15-11, 15:10
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Stravinsky
04-15-11, 15:43
just wondering about russian literature. if "[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)" is my favorite, does that count too? .nice try, but [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is definitely not russian literature. just because something is written by a russian, doesn't make it russian literature. most russians have never heard of the expat writers like nabokov.
i agree with prosal, master & margarita would be at the top of any russian's favorite reading list. another novel by bulgakov that most russians know and love is heart of a dog.
lermontov and gogol are also favorites, but i would ditch dostoevsky, at least as far as popular writers are concerned. while russians may be proud to count such a deep thinker as one of their own, i think there are very few russians who actually enjoy reading him: mainly he is something that they suffer through while in school. the common joke among russians is that if you have trouble sleeping, keep a copy of dostoevsky at your bedside: a chapter of crime and punishment will put you right to sleep.
a better choice might be turgenev, whose writing and subject matter are much more accessible to the average russian. his short novel, mumu, is standard reading for most grade-school kids in russia.
and don't forget chekhov, not only for his plays, but for his short stories.
last, but not least (particularly if you want to impress a young russian woman) , don't forget the poets. russians love nothing so much as their poets. every russian knows pushkin, if you can recite a few well-chosen lines from yevgeni onegin, that will go a long way towards impressing a young russian woman. his letter from tatyana to onegin is considered to be one of the most beautiful examples of russian poetry.
also yesenin, one of russia's favorite poets, who not only wrote some beautiful poetry, but whose tragic life and romantic death continue to inspire young russian women.
and finally, vladimir vysotsky, one of russia's most popular and beloved contemporary poets.
beautiful examples of Russian poetry.Also, learn to recite this poem written by Marina Tzvetayeva, it opens beautiful long legs.
http://vimeo.com/7771120
"A Russian girl wants someone she respects"
I get the impression, however perhaps I am misunderstanding, that being cultured, educated etc sort of a professor type (I don't want to give any identifying information, however I am an academic) would be a big hit with the young sexy kittens in Odessa or Kharkov.
Am I right? You have two threads here that you should read (especially Dr Skank and Jake993's posts) , both in the Russian forum: "Dating Russian Women" and "Russian women. Opinions and Advices".
After that, you'll know it all.
nice try, but [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is definitely not russian literature. just because something is written by a russian, doesn't make it russian literature. most russians have never heard of the expat writers like nabokov.right. most russians don't even know shit about an author like vassili axionov (one of my fav russian writer) , who leaved russia for the us in the mid-80s, and wrote "generations of winter" (in russian "moskovskaya saga" or "a moscow saga") , imho one of the most ambitious and captivating novel in russian literature history (many critics have praised it as a new doctor zhivago large-scale russian novel). nonetheless a tv-serie, basied on the novel, has been adapted on russian television.
HarryDubois
04-15-11, 18:07
Many people compare me to dr. Drew pinsky.
http://www.deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/drew_pinsky.jpg
I'm also about his height 190 cm 6'3".
Does anyone have an opinion about how this will go over with sexy co-ed age FSU girls, provided I brush up on my Russian language / literature / culture?
In the US I don't find that type of girl chasing me any longer, frankly.
In the US I don't find that type of girl chasing me any longer, frankly.Style and clothes are more important than looks in this part of the world. Looks help of course, but it really isn't a central theme with Russian girls.
Russian girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. And anything less than a stylish and well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking.
HarryDubois
04-15-11, 23:14
I have a nice suit, some shirts and ties. Maybe that will do it.
So the clothes make the man in FSU ?The. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere in FSU. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress up to the tens, and anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and refinement will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.
I agree with Prosal, Master & Margarita Would be at the top of any Russian's favorite reading list.Enjoying this exchange between yourself and Prosal about the merits of various Russian literary classics but maybe enter a small caveat on Bulgakov's calling card.
Some Russians I know (including my very own personal Margarita) look down their nose at TM&M.
A mere fairy tale as she would say.
But not Krylov, of course.
VG.
Stravinsky
04-18-11, 15:06
Some Russians I know (including my very own personal Margarita) look down their nose at TM&M.VG.
Your Margarita may not think much of TM&M, but apparently her parents did! (wink & a smile)
HarryDubois
04-18-11, 20:00
Has anyone else noticed, however the southern and eastern regions of the Ukraine seem to be the most fertile hunting grounds for the middle aged western man seeking young, desperate beauties. Those areas also have been hardest hit in the recent economic downturns, and have high levels of infant mortality, abortion, drug abuse, alcoholism and aids.
Stravinsky
04-19-11, 00:27
Has anyone else noticed, however the southern and eastern regions of the Ukraine seem to be the most fertile hunting grounds for the middle aged western man seeking young, desperate beauties. Those areas also have been hardest hit in the recent economic downturns, and have high levels of infant mortality, abortion, drug abuse, alcoholism and aids.They are also full of middle aged western men seeking young, desperate beauties. Best to skate to where the puck isn't.
Bez Bezarra
04-20-11, 22:46
Please stop asking, How much does it cost? How much does it cost?
Here's the thing. If you have to ask, forget it. Because what ever the cost is, ITS WORTH IT. For an old dog like me, there's simply no option available to score talent at this level, so whatever I contribute financially to the Institute Scholarship Fund for wayward Hotel Managers in training, the point is, that its simply not measureable in dollars and scents. And I do mean, smell my finger, because the fragrance is something like honeysuckle rose.
Let me put it this way. Don't go buy a new beamer, because your old one will run just fine up to 200, 000 miles. Instead, go to your bank and order a stack of crisp new Benjamins, stick that ten large in your pocket, and turn that fat green bulge into a purple one. You won't regret it. Don't listen to the nay-sayers, they're just lazy. Sure the plane fare isn't cheap, but get a credit card and start racking up miles. Yes, a nice apartment isn't cheap either, but its not like Moscow! Its virtually impossible to spend it all, so you'll come back with some left over. Hell, the black Krasnodar ikra is only 75 rubles for 117 grams, and it is fucking awesome. A 5 ounce jar of this at home would cost $150! I should clean out the store shelves here, fill up my fucking suitcase with the stuff and come home a millionaire.
Stravinsky
04-21-11, 15:19
Hell, the black Krasnodar ikra is only 75 rubles for 117 grams, and it is fucking awesome. A 5 ounce jar of this at home would cost $150! I should clean out the store shelves here, fill up my fucking suitcase with the stuff and come home a millionaire.Ah-ha! Krasnodar! Why didn't I think of that? Good choice Bez, close enough to Chornoye Morye to have access to its resources, but far enough away to be insulated from it's high prices.
Your Margarita may not think much of TM&M, but apparently her parents did! (wink & a smile)Strav,
There's no answer to that!
VG.
I just want to say thanks. As a newbie to international vocation, I have visited many, many forums on this site, and I must say this one is the best. I will be moving to Moscow soon for at least a two year stint. Reading through the posts of the likes of Ben, Prosal, and Stravinsky have been informative, but especially well-written and entertaining. Thanks, gentlemen!
Stravinsky
05-20-11, 07:21
I just want to say thanks.Не за что
When you are in Moscow, don't forget to make some contributions of your own to the board. Looking forward to hearing about your own impressions of Moscow.
HarryDubois
06-06-11, 10:46
I am 50 years old, live in New York, good looking for my age. On.
http://www.anastasiadate.com
I have lately been meeting some incredibly beautiful teenage girls in Odessa, Kharkov, etc who claim to be dying to meet me.
Is this site real, or are girls paid to chat and write letters?
Has anyone actually met girls through this site?
Angus Magee
06-06-11, 11:11
I am 50 years old, live in New York, good looking for my age. On.
http://www.anastasiadate.com
I have lately been meeting some incredibly beautiful teenage girls in Odessa, Kharkov, etc who claim to be dying to meet me.
Is this site real, or are girls paid to chat and write letters?
Has anyone actually met girls through this site? I am no expert but I do know that there is a whole industry that preys on the loneliness of the older western male. Perhaps do a little research on the dating industry in Russia. A quick search came up with this for starters.
http://russianwomenblog.dream-marriage.com/anti-scam/5-signs-of-a-scammer-in-the-russian-dating-industry/
I am sure there is a lot more out there.
AM
HarryDubois
06-06-11, 11:59
I read the link, however I don't personally see any of those warning signs.
The only red flag basically is. Why would an attractive 19 year old want to date a 50 year old, however tall, athletic, smart, sweet, American etc he may be?
Stravinsky
06-07-11, 15:34
The only red flag basically is. Why would an attractive 19 year old want to date a 50 year old, however tall, athletic, smart, sweet, American etc he may be?Seems to me you just answered your own question.
HarryDubois
06-07-11, 17:05
Maybe for some penniless 18 year old beauty living with her Mom in Lugansk, Ukraine I am really smoking hot?
My girlfriend has already emailed me a lot of personal photos of herself, not professional photographs. (with no make up, a t shirt and old jeans, she still turns me on; a lot) Anyway in one photo there happened to be some girl in the background with a t shirt printed with "I love NY" (I live in New York.) I don't see a lot of people in New York with an "I love Lugansk" t shirt.
Or not?
Stravinsky
06-08-11, 05:28
My girlfriend has already emailed me a lot of personal photos of herself, not professional photographs. (with no make up, a t shirt and old jeans, she still turns me on; a lot) ?Well, there you have it. . . it must be true love!
Anyway, in one photo there happened to be some girl in the background with a t shirt printed with "I love NY" (I live in New York.) I don't see a lot of people in New York with an "I love Lugansk" t shirt. Or not?You've been hanging out in Manhattan too much. Take a trip out to Brighton Beach sometime. Of course, you won't find anyone wearing a t-shirt with "I love Lugansk", but you might find one that reads, "Люблю Луганск"
I don't see a lot of people in New York with an "I love Lugansk" t shirt.Nor in Lugansk, I'm afraid.
Anyway in one photo there happened to be some girl in the background with a t shirt printed with "I love NY"There's a general disdain of USA in FSU, and sometimes even a real dislike.
But say the world "Paris" to a Russian girl and see her eyes twinkling and her legs spreading.
152031
There used to be a top (bdsm) mistress in moscow named Leonora (last year). Now, her website disappeared and her phone number has changed. Does anyone know her new contact?
Thanks for your help.
Mich69
HarryDubois
06-10-11, 03:15
Here's another question. Let's say I go to Lugansk, but I don't yet know Russian. Can anyone recommend some sort of device which will translate from Russian to English and visa versa.
I know that there plenty of translators on the Internet. However can I get Internet in an apartment in Lugansk? I have an iPad, which works fine in New York, however I don't know about eastern Ukraine.
Or is there any other electronic translator thing I could buy?
Stravinsky
06-10-11, 06:02
Harry,
Travelling to Lugansk without any knowledge of Russian (or Ukranian) is a waste of time. There is no device that will translate English into Russian, beyond simple words and phrases. And even if there were, it's useless to you if you don't understand the Cyrillic alphabet.
Seriously, if you live in New York, take the ride out to "Little Odessa" and have a look around. Do some shopping, have a meal in a restaurant and see how you feel. If it feels comfortable to you, then you might have a chance in Lugansk.
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