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Jake993

10-01-08, 22:06

One question, though: what has, in your view, led to this extreme explosion of prices? Yeah sure, the oil-induced boom has made Moscow awash with quick cash. Hence, demand for p4p services has increased, but this has an upward effect on prices if and only if supply is curtailed. I would have thought, seeing the still extremely low incomes across Russia, that there would be sufficient additional supply to keep prices low.

Let me TRY to answer your question with a question. "What goods or services ARE relatively cheap in London, Tokyo, Paris, New York City, or Zurich?" Answer: None.

Since Moscow has been back on the scene in terms of being a world class city, I think P4P has found its place. Sad but true. I would suggest that similar caliber P4P in those cities is not a whole lot less than in Moscow. Not to say that you cannot get laid for an hour for 2500 rubles because you can. In fact you can get it for less. But you need to be able to speak Russian. Let's face it, drop dead gorgeous English speaking working girls in Moscow are a "SPECIALTY" and therefore don't follow traditional rules of "price elasticity of demand". Since non-Russian speaking foreigners don't have much choice except to pay the going price or find something else to do on a cold night. I would suggest to you that if those same foreigners stopped paying the high prices altogether, the supply would dry up long before the price went down. Girls have more choices today and would find somewhere else to work.

I think that during the post Perestroika period, Moscow was in a tremendous state of transition. Prostitution was as much about survival then as anything. I don't think a girl in Moscow who speaks perfect English and charges $500 for an hour or two is too worried about basic survival. It's more of a career choice. The Tochka girls is probably another matter and I'm not sure I understand the economics of that phenomenon except perhaps greed on the part of the police getting payoffs and maybe the expenses of the Mamochkas. Prices in the provinces ARE relatively low. Moscow and Saint Petersburg are anomalous.

El Kapitan

10-01-08, 22:41

Dobre Diem,

Not to interrupt this wonderful string of "remember when" and bitching but...

I am on a short stay this time (5 days) in Moscow and wouldn't mind a little local help. I am RTFF but in the interest of time I would like specific info on the following from you experts:

1) Anyone want to meet up and show a newbie around?

2) Anyone know of a "tour guide" who can show me the city and her tits? Approximate cost?

3) Anything that can get me dead? Neighborhoods, places, people to avoid?

4) English speaking or at least friendly places (bars, websites, etc)

Thanks and dasvidanya.

Doctor_Skank

10-01-08, 23:29

One question, though: what has, in your view, led to this extreme explosion of prices?
Let me TRY to answer your question with a question. "What goods or services ARE relatively cheap in London, Tokyo, Paris, New York City, or Zurich?" Answer: None.

Since Moscow has been back on the scene in terms of being a world class city, I think P4P has found its place. Sad but true. I would suggest that similar caliber P4P in those cities is not a whole lot less than in Moscow. Not to say that you cannot get laid for an hour for 2500 rubles because you can. In fact you can get it for less. But you need to be able to speak Russian. Let's face it, drop dead gorgeous English speaking working girls in Moscow are a "SPECIALTY" and therefore don't follow traditional rules of "price elasticity of demand". Since non-Russian speaking foreigners don't have much choice except to pay the going price or find something else to do on a cold night. I would suggest to you that if those same foreigners stopped paying the high prices altogether, the supply would dry up long before the price went down. Girls have more choices today and would find somewhere else to work.

I think that during the post Perestroika period, Moscow was in a tremendous state of transition. Prostitution was as much about survival then as anything. I don't think a girl in Moscow who speaks perfect English and charges $500 for an hour or two is too worried about basic survival. It's more of a career choice. The Tochka girls is probably another matter and I'm not sure I understand the economics of that phenomenon except perhaps greed on the part of the police getting payoffs and maybe the expenses of the Mamochkas. Prices in the provinces ARE relatively low. Moscow and Saint Petersburg are anomalous.Jake is absolutely right.

Despite the fact that much of the city still resembles 2nd or 3rd world shithole and despite the fact that Moscow is still decades away from being a world class city in terms of cultural substance or infrastructure, it is already world class in terms of cash flow and women. It is in many ways a singular anomoly. Unfortunately, Moscow money is also making St.Petersburg and ultimately other cities more expensive.

Moreover, I'll stick with my thesis that although English-speaking foreigners pay too much in Moscow, so do most Russians. Their prices are not substantially cheaper, especially in terms of take out/outcall.

The Russian is not paying $150 for the same girl you paid $300 for. He's also paying $300.

The central difference is that there ARE cheaper forms of prostitution in Moscow, however with limited Russian knowledge you'll either need a ton of patience or a lot of luck to access them. Locals can and do access these with ease... however even for experienced mongers finding a salon with affordable and hot babes can sometimes be a real nerve-wracking nightmare, with no guarantee of success.

An analogy.

A couple of weeks ago I was fucking a girl in the mouth, with the promise that I wouldn't come in her mouth but would rather pull out and jizz on her chest. Normally I am a man of my word, however it just felt too damn good and I shot 3 days worth of jizz build up down her throat. When she realized what had just happened she coughed and sputtered and ran to the bathroom spitting all over herself.

I followed her a minute later and she glared unbelievingly at me with big doe eyes, asking in a sweet hurt voice:

"Pochemu?/why?"

I answered coldly:

"Because I can."

She didn't reply and 5 minutes later she was cuddling up to me in bed and purring like a kitten.

Why do English-speaking pros at Night Flight or Hot Dog charge $500 for an hour or two of sex?

Because they can. You would too.
I would have thought, seeing the still extremely low incomes across Russia, that there would be sufficient additional supply to keep prices low. - AThere is truth to this of course, depsite the fact that young Russians can make more money than you think. Don't forget that they pay almost no tax, many live for free with their parents, don't own a car and usually eat at home. Their TAKE HOME income or pocket cash is often on equal level with Europeans of the same age. Girls from the provinces who have to pay for an apartment are worse off, which makes them more likely to become prostitutes or be easy to lay for small presents or vague promises.

Pizdyets

10-02-08, 00:31

It does look, Pizdyets, as if this part of the board is in the hands of people (expats, locals...) who are not motivated by fraternal feelings towards fellow mongers but rather a combination of classic Russian chauvinism ("foreigners in Russia should PAY!") and the nouveau riche excesses of the Wild East ("Flaunt it baby! Yeah!").

Priamos, if you had bothered to read my posts (as I did yours), you'd see that that is not my attitude. To the contrary, I've tried to help my fellow mongers not only by my postings, but by my personal actions.

Finally, let me respond directly to the point you raised. The entrance of FKK Palace in Frankfurt (why is this of interest, BTW?) is 75 Euros. An hour costs 100 Euros, that is true, but if you want only one pop the price is 50 Euros. This amount is - almost always, that is - inclusive of French kissing and blowjob without condom. So, unless you overpay (which I have often done, as you know if you've read my postings: for instance I often slip the girl another 50 Euros for CIM), you can have two girls offering GFE or at least near-GFE spend 2-3 hours, or as long as you please, having free drinks, free meals, sauna, jacuzzi, porn cinema... for 175 Euros. Voila.

It's of interest because you brought up the comparison with Western Europe yourself. My experience - though BBBJ is standard in the FKKs, DFK is negotiable. The opposite is true in salons here - DFK is standard but BBBJ is negotiable. Also, not all FKKs serve alcohol - salons do. All I'm saying is that it's a matter of personal preference.

Finally, if your target price is 175E (just over 6K rubles), then you can also have 2 great looking and passionate girls in a salon in Moscow and I can nearly guarantee it'll be a nice experience. And just recently, I had a girl in HotDog ask me for 5K for the night (I ended up giving her 7K). It's not like all girls are asking for $400. Sure, p4p is expensive in Moscow, but don't make it sound like it's that much more than Western Europe.

Pizdyets

10-02-08, 01:13

Why do English-speaking pros at Night Flight or Hot Dog charge $500 for an hour or two of sex?

Because they can. You would too.There is truth to this of course, depsite the fact that young Russians can make more money than you think. Don't forget that they pay almost no tax, many live for free with their parents, don't own a car and usually eat at home. Their TAKE HOME income or pocket cash is often on equal level with Europeans of the same age. Girls from the provinces who have to pay for an apartment are worse off, which makes them more likely to become prostitutes or be easy to lay for small presents or vague promises.

So, I've thought about this a bit. For one thing, rent is high for everyone who doesn't own their own flat. My experience has been that 99% of the WGs I meet are from outside of Moscow, meaning they have to pay rent. It's hard to find even a shithole apartment in Moscow these days for less than $1000/month. Go even further out, and you're paying for additional transport and time. This affects salons, apartment girls and WGs at NF/HD all the same. Secondly, prostitution - unlike in Germany - is officially illegal in Russia. That spells big payoffs to greedy police to make sure their operations (whether NF, HD, salons, apartmenty, tochki, etc) stay open. And then there's the cost of living in Moscow, which is just about the highest of anywhere in the world. All those costs are passed directly to us, the consumers.

Honestly, I think the whole system is heading for a major correction. Last time I was at HotDog, I saw very few guys leaving with girls, eventhough the place was packed. In fact, the cutest girl there was getting very little attention since she pretty much priced herself out of the market (she was asking $500/night). Some Russian guys I was chatting with wouldn't take anyone over 6K, and then they expected the girl to pull a train as well (when I left, they were still looking!) Sure, girls can afford to go a night or two without hooking up, but after that, it's prohibitively expensive (at roughly $100/night for expenses). You'd figure that more and more girls would be trying to pick up "dates" in regular clubs, but at reduced prices. The problem there is that they have to compete with girls with similar/better looks, but not demanding any payment. I think all these point to why sites like mamba are increasingly popular with WGs: police involvement is minimal, expenses are minimal, and the girls are reasonably assured that they're not getting hooked up with a Jack-the-Ripper/Ted Bundy type.

Priamos

10-02-08, 04:28

Let me TRY to answer your question with a question. "What goods or services ARE relatively cheap in London, Tokyo, Paris, New York City, or Zurich?" Answer: None.

That's mostly true. Though, when it comes to P4P I put a question mark around NYC. If you avoid the pricier agencies and pick a private provider from Craigslist or some such site you come off comfortably compared with Paris, London... and Moscow. I didn't mention London, Paris and Tokyo in my posting partly for this reason, and partly because the comparison seems unreasonable to start with: the incomes per head in Russia are these days at par with Mexico and Brazil. In France, Japan and the UK people earn on average 3 times more. (And that's in purchasing power terms; cash incomes are about 5 times higher.)

Thus, the status of Moscow as a haven of high life and high prices is, as Doctor Skank correctly said, an anomaly. I attribute it to the fact that the country is so centralised (few business people in, say, Germany care to waste time in Berlin; few Russian business people can allow themselves NOT to be in Moscow...). To this comes that access to Moscow from poorer parts of Russia is restricted. People are held back by the infamous propizhka; businesses are held back by mayor Luzhkov's machinations. But then again...

... that's the way it is. Sitting around wishing things were different is perhaps not a very productive use of one's time.

Stravinsky

10-02-08, 06:00

Pizdyets,

Не кормите троллей... ;)

(don't feed the troll)

Starchild2012

10-03-08, 08:04

And then there are guys like yourself; never been to Moscow, don't speak the lingo, are totally clueless and expect to be catered to. For guys like yourself, there are places like Night Flight and internet escort sites where you can talk to someone in English. You can distinguish these sites from the internet escort sites that cater to local guys by the dialing code on the phone number. The girls on the local sites prefix their numbers with an 8, which is the internal dialing code for Russia. They expect to get calls from local guys, who speak Russian, and their fees are set accordingly. Typically, these girls are looking for cash in hand, not a long term virtual email relationship. If the dialing code begins with a 7, this is the external prefix for dialing Russia, so you know they are expecting calls from foreign customers. For these, the prices will be about twice as high as in Germany and the Netherlands, because, well, they know there are guys like you who have no choice but to pay them. :)

Thanks Strav for the "Insider Info"..I always wondered why 7 international code for Russia is confused with 8 in Intimcity while Rusdosug the English sister site has 7 dialing code :)

NetViking 2008

10-03-08, 17:24

Hi,

I will go in Moscow next mounth, I will stay in hotel Milan, can anybody let me know if there is any action there or if I can bring easily a lady inside?

Thanks!

Strike 69

10-04-08, 13:43

Guys are those sites www.bad-russian-girls.com and www.russiansexbombs.com legitimate?

Stravinsky

10-04-08, 19:26

GandJim

10-04-08, 21:36

Bad Russian Girls has been discussed many times in this forum. Girls are the same as the ones available on other FREE sites such as the ones Strav mentionned. In addition, they do not remove girls who have stopped working and probably 80% of the database is obsolete.

I have paid them once several years ago for a visit to Kiev, as I saw they have girls from Gia and another site I forgot the name, which I knew were real. So I paid as I saw some other nice girls not on Gia. It turned out that these "other" girls were in fact old girls from Gia who have stopped working for years, which Gia has removed from their website long time ago.

Same for Moscow, girls are either also on other FREE websites, or have stopped working long ago.

Jim

El Kapitan

10-05-08, 01:49

I have just abruptly ended a session with Helena. I chose her based on her participation in this forum, her English capability, and the pictures posted on her website: http://www.moscow-affair.com/picture4.html

I don't' mind shelling out some coin for a good massage, HJ/cbj in the comfort of my room. Girl gets paid for low risk and I get what I pay for. Usually.

I contacted her via phone and arranged a meeting, she could meet me in about an hour. I informed her that I was not a full service client and that I would be looking for a chat, massage, and see where it went form there. She thought that sounded great. 2 hours 200 EU. She arrived as arranged and dressed in a black dress. We chatted for about a 45 min while she sipped tea and we chatted about Moscow nightlife, her life, etc.

When it came time to move to the massage portion she undressed and I will only say that her pictures on the website are either not recent or photoshopped. She is I suppose what one would expect of a 35 year old provider in Moscow who has been in the game for quite some time. It was not something that I could not accept but it certainly was not what I expected based on her website.

This is where it all began to go sideways. Her cell began to ring which she asked if she could answer. So of course. Fine. Drunk guy. She hung up on him and about 3 minutes later he called back. Again rude exchange and a hang up. Okay. No problem. I can come back from that.

She then proceeded to give me one of the worst massages I have received. Which lasted maybe 10. 15 minutes. She then laid down on my back and said that she was tired and not a "specialist in this" but that she knew masseuses that could do 12 a day. So I thought this was pretty weak and not really relevant and wished that one of them was there then.

So, I flip over and she lays down beside me. So we lay like that for maybe 5 or 10 min while we caressed each other. At this point I'm wondering WTF is going on. So I kind of begin hinting with body posturing that maybe she could give some attention to a little lower. Which she would occasionally dip down to. But not linger. Finally I sat up and began to "make out" a bit with her kissing her neck and ear and she finally began to give me some attention. At this point we hit the wall.

I laid back waiting for a nice CBJ (I RTFF and knew she was supposedly a CBJ only girl which I personally like from the risk/reward standpoint). What happened instead was she said. And I quote "What would you like me to do now. " So. I said well I would like a blowjob and added that I was not full service. She responded to this as some sort of escalation or added service. She then said. And I quote, "Don't act like you are doing me some great favor by allowing me to give you a blowjob". Now. I have heard some crazy ass shit but never have I heard a prostitute complain about giving a CBJ to a client for 200 euro.

Of course I wanted my monies worth so I asked what the problem was. Which she said was that I had "confused" her and that now I wanted something that she did not expect. So I said well that is what I want. She then crossed the final line when she looked at me, sighed, and said that this was unusual, she was not used to this one way street. WTF? ! ? ! We are not talking about an 18 yr old hottie on her first mission here. I had no emotional or physical desire to have sex or perform oral sex on this woman. I was a client paying money for a service. If she wanted me to get her off then maybe it was time to renegotiate!

I got up incredulous and left the room to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and figure out wtf just happened. I decided then and there to end the date and asked her to leave. I also informed her of my disappointment, why I was disappointed, and that I felt she was unprofessional. Her defense was that she was not a machine. Huh. I was nice, paid her 200EU, and was insulted and unsatisfied but she was the one who was wronged.

Whatever.

Buyer beware on this one.

Someone give me some decent recon on a PROFESSIONAL provider who speaks English and is willing to provide a chat, massage, and HJ / cbj for a 2 hour / 200 EU or less.

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Strike 69

10-05-08, 17:32

Strike,

It doesn't look good; the sites are designed in English and phone numbers and rates are only available if you become a member. I doubt if you will get much out of these sites, but then, miracles can happen.

The main escort sites for Moscow are intimcity.ru and dosug.nu. Rusdosug.com is a sister site to intimcity, but it also offers an English version. There is also a site called dosug.sextalk.ru, which is sponsored by sextalk, but it is exclusively in Russian.

Thanks for the info. How about some of the girls in this site:

http://www.x-love.ru/

Are they legitimate? Some of the girls looks very hot and they offer incalls services but in one profile I saw some pics that belongs to a Hungarian Pornstar called Sophie Moone in one profile too bad.

Maybe I can find more info on: sextalk.ru

Stravinsky

10-05-08, 18:45

El Kapitan,

Well, this is a first! We now have 2 members of the forum having sex with each other! Did Helena know that you are a member of the ISG forum? You'd think she would want to be on her best behaviour.

You might want to try Natasha http://companion-escortmoscow.com. She is the other girl who advertises here.

Other than that, maybe find a copy of the Moscow Times? They should have some in your hotel, or they can probably get a copy for you. There are some escort agencies that advertise in the back and they cater to foreign (english speaking) tourists.

How long will you be in Moscow?

Cruiser D

10-05-08, 19:18

I think all these point to why sites like mamba are increasingly popular with WGs: police involvement is minimal, expenses are minimal,

and the girls are reasonably assured that they're not getting hooked up with a Jack-the-Ripper/Ted Bundy type.

What kind of logic are you using to figure that one out? I agree with the first part..but the second.

Helena Moscow

10-05-08, 19:48

to el kapitan

i expected that you could write something like that. all was, of course, totally different, but it's ok. you written your opinion and can keep it as long as you wish. i'll keep mine about you. just a small advise. next time if you want to get service, don't say to a provider in advance that you don't want to get it. if on the phone you say very clearly that you only want companionship and massage i bet 90% of providers will not guess that you want to be raped or seduced or have some other hidden fantasy. i asked you for the second time what exactly you meant by saying that "you were not a full-service client", and you repeated again that you were not interested in anything else than massage and companionship. there was nothing said by you about "we see where it leads", this you added for the forum. about massage, for which i was really prepared and which to tell you the truth i know well how to do, you also changed your mind in the process several times and just left me no chance to make it properly. no one can give you a proper massage if you move around, have no towels at home and so on... as for the rest... you are not satisfied. ok. because you expected one thing but ordered totally the opposite. why you acted this way i don't know. anyway, thanks for allowing me to make a cup of tea. such a big favor...

Doctor_Skank

10-05-08, 21:08

if on the phone you say very clearly that you only want companionship and massage i bet 90% of providers will not guess that you want to be raped or seduced or have some other hidden fantasy. i asked you for the second time what exactly you meant by saying that "you were not a full-service client", and you repeated again that you were not interested in anything else than massage and companionship. there was nothing said by you about "we see where it leads", this you added for the forum. 200 euro for massage and companionship?

you two really didn't communicate very well... that was doomed to end in frustration. you should have at least let him titty fuck you, helena. you know guys can't get a massage from a woman without wanting to blow our load. we are very basic creatures in that sense. not very kind at all babe.

el kapitan... did you really say you wanted a blowjob for the agreed price, or just assume that was part of the massage? come to think of it, at least a hj is usually part of the massage price...

Helena Moscow

10-05-08, 21:32

200 Euro for massage and companionship?

You two really didn't communicate very well... that was doomed to end in frustration. You should have at least let him titty fuck you, Helena. You know guys can't get a massage from a woman without wanting to blow our load. We are very basic creatures in that sense. Not very kind at all babe.

El Kapitan... did you really say you wanted a blowjob for the agreed price, or just assume that was part of the massage? Come to think of it, at least a HJ IS usually part of the massage price...

Oh, the gratest judge of all times came to teach eveyone how to live. May be you let El Kapitan titty fuck you, if you feel so sorry for him? 200 for massage and companionship is not something huge now. In the day time (not at 1 o'clock in the night) in a medium class beauty salon (where you come on your own feet and massauser has no transport costs) in Moscow for 45 minutes of normal medical massage we pay 2000-4000 rubles. Without any companionship and HJs. By the way, it's written on the first page of my site that I only offer my time and companionship. The rest is the matter of mutual choice. Noone cheated anyone and I never said that I could read thoughts. And believe me, knowing that El Kapitan was ISG member, I wasn't searching for troubles. By the way, I tried to fix things piecefully, but the guy had his own performance. Probably his desire to write a bad report was higher than the desire to get any service at all. Shit happens, that's it. I'm not an angel, sure, I never even pretended. Neither he was an angel. And let's not play these kindergarden games like: "I'm so innocent and she is so evel, upset me, poor little guy..." The guy is not so little and well-understood what exactly happened. He wanted a little revenge, ok, he got it. Fellow-mongers had little fun of the situation. Done. Let's go further. Any other news?

Doctor_Skank

10-05-08, 21:40

Oh, the gratest judge of all times came to teach eveyone how to live. May be you let El Kapitan titty fuck you, if you feel so sorry for him?And you think 200 Euros for a shyte massage and some conversation really speaks for your service Helena? You really believe he got his money's worth?

You really thought he'd want nothing but some touchy feely and a pat on the ass?

Service providers get judged by their service, that's the nature of the beast.

Helena Moscow

10-05-08, 22:24

And you think 200 Euros for a shyte massage and some conversation really speaks for your service Helena? You really believe he got his money's worth?

You really thought he'd want nothing but some touchy feely and a pat on the ass?

Service providers get judged by their service, that's the nature of the beast.

Skank, please, read the previous post. I added a bit to it and during the same time you already responded. I tell you, it was at first misunderstanding, and then the guy played his own game. Shit happens. Not always not everything goes right. And don't make from me a monster. My only fault in this situation is that I'm not a machine and I can't smile happily when I see that some ugly tricks start in front of me. You were not there, you don't know the whole situation, you can't judge. None of the forum guys can, because they were not there and they don't know what really happened. El Kapitan can't proove anyway thet he is telling the truth, by the way. And it's very easy to write shit about me, because everybody here knows my face and noone knows his. I didn't want to go into details, because it's unpleasant for me to take them out. And I don't want to write more shit than already written.

Doctor_Skank

10-05-08, 22:49

You were not thereTrue enough, I wasn't there and I am not judging anybody. Nonetheless, as I previously wrote, there seems to have been a breakdown of communications either way.

I don't really understand the notion of meeting a pro for anything other than sex, but that's just me. Nor have I ever heard of pros performing massages without a least a HJ.

I'm confused. )

El Kapitan

10-06-08, 00:43

Skank, please, read the previous post. I added a bit to it and during the same time you already responded. I tell you, it was at first misunderstanding, and then the guy played his own game. Shit happens. Not always not everything goes right. And don't make from me a monster. My only fault in this situation is that I'm not a machine and I can't smile happily when I see that some ugly tricks start in front of me. You were not there, you don't know the whole situation, you can't judge. None of the forum guys can, because they were not there and they don't know what really happened. El Kapitan can't proove anyway thet he is telling the truth, by the way. And it's very easy to write shit about me, because everybody here knows my face and noone knows his. I didn't want to go into details, because it's unpleasant for me to take them out. And I don't want to write more shit than already written.I was there. My wallet is 200 Euros lighter to prove it. What possible reason I would have to randomly write shit about you I can only guess.

This forum is for clients (mongers) to share information with each other regarding locations, pricing, and services. I don't know anyone in Moscow so my popularity is not an issue and I have no clue as to why a negative report about you would increase my popularity in this forum.

I do not wish to make this some sort of personal vendetta as I could give a shit less about Helena. In fact the entire point of service providers is to avoid drama and "personal" relationships. It is a business and should be treated as such. Should we happen across others we click with and develop a relationship then so be it.

Helena, you like to use that word "favor". People do not pay for favors.

As to my ability to communicate in English, it is my native tongue so I think I have an okay handle on it. I can assure this forum that Helena's command and grasp of the English language also is more than adequate to arrange a chat, massage, and hj/cbj. She seemed to find the place okay and certainly understood 200 EU.

As to Helena's desire to "fix the misunderstanding" I cannot say as I am not sure what she did in that regard other than offer that, and I quote "I was not mentally prepared to give you a blowjob, I thought this was only a chat and massage, I am not a machine."

The bottom line here is not that she was confused, nor was it that we had to discuss it further. The problem in fact did not occur until when she said "I thought you were not full service" to which I responded I am not. She then said "Tell me specifically what you want" and I responded that yes I would like a blowjob but I did not desire full service. That is when the sighs and shrugging and childlike behavior started. When I pressed her about what the problem was she then started with the whole "you said only chat and massage" and "this is very strange, this one way street". I mean seriously..WTF?!?! I rarely if ever go into explicit extreme detail on the telephone prior to seeing a provider. This is for two reasons; 1) I don't know what is going to show up at me door so I am not sure how far I am going to let ANYTHING go and 2) In most countries (Russia included) selling sex is illegal and I do not wish to discuss this with someone I have not met.

Any PROFESSIONAL provider working in the sex industry for more than 10 years who needs to go through an intense amount of mental preparation to perform what most would consider one of the most basic sex acts is quite possibly in the wrong industry.

Women are not machines or pieces of meat. They should be treated with respect, just as all humans should. A professional sex provider is a business and should conduct herself accordingly.

I have nothing further to say about this. What happened is what happened. There was no yelling, arguing, or anything else. There were no tricks and certainly no treats. I ended the session as soon as I felt there was no longer any positive outcome likely, a decision which is not made lightly as I knew I was going to be out 200EU either way. There was no ugliness at the end when I asked her to go ahead and leave and no need for it now.

I heard a lot about Helena's life and how expensive Prague was, got a shit massage from what I would consider a 5/10 at best, a huge drama act when I confirmed that this would be a one way only affair, and decided to call it a night for a 200 Euro lesson. Nothing more, nothing less.

Helena is right in saying that sometimes things just don't go right. This is obviously one of those times. I am sure she has hundreds of positive reviews from other forum members so my one report about the experience I had should be nothing (in fact I know there is at least one as I read it prior to booking, hence my utter surprise). I do not wish her any ill will. I however think I should fulfill the purpose of this forum in REPORTING my experience. Other members can be the judge as I cannot "prove" what did or didn't happen.

Again, I am done with this and will not discuss it further.

Fool me once, shame on me.

Hecker

10-06-08, 11:10

I think if sb wants sth especially with Russians, he has to tell it beforehand. Not during or after the act because the Russians feel betrayed and there is sth more they feel that you tried to fool them or that you blackmail them or that you try to gain extra gain from them while you should lose and not them, anyway I cannot explain it in english. For example if you pay for HJ and demand BJ, then you try to gain extra profit on their expense, so that they lose which means no respect in first place unless they really like you which is not possible if you are a love buyer because most likely they feel condemn for you because you have no gf and wife or you betray your wife with them, so you are second class in their eyes.

Anyway I tried to present the frame why a punter is always second class in Russian pro eyes. Only that he demanded services of a pro means to them that he is second class. This is my opinion how they view the interaction.

A second class playing games and doing tricks is further unacceptable. For example what does ''not full service'' mean? Why not define it? Does it mean massage + HJ, massage + HJ + BJ, massage + HJ + BJ + DFK, or sth else? You have to define it. Noone is expected to know beforehand what the other means by the expression ''not full service'' which is supposed to cause positive thoughts in escort's mind (I will be paid by sb who wants only to talk, sth which happens in some cases of escorts' clients).

In my opinion it is not necessary to cause any positive thoughts in escort's minds. You just tell what you have in mind and see if she agrees. For example ''anal is possible? '', ''is it possible to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you? '', ''is it possible that you lick my anus? '' etc, so they agree or not and you know the prices and the possibilities. Of course they can steal you afterwards in terms of time, for example by appearing late but usually what is agreed beforehand is carried out the way it was agreed.

Doctor_Skank

10-06-08, 15:10

Anyway I tried to present the frame why a punter is always second class in Russian pro eyes. Only that he demanded services of a pro means to them that he is second class. This is my opinion how they view the interaction.
Although I agree with much that you wrote about clarifying what you want beforehand, I do not believe that Russian pros automatically believe that their clients are lower or second class. They deal with... and fuck... people from various social strata, class, intelligence and wealth. Although some pros may go cold at some point and certainly we are all "wallets" to them, I believe that in the end your individual behavior will make a difference in their opinion of you and ideally, in their performance or the general mood and "success" of the encounter.

Of course sometimes things simply do not go well, the human factor involved plays a vital role. Sometimes one gets a dud, or a girl with a bad attitude, one in a bad mood, one that is incredibly stupid, one that isn't what you wanted or expected or one that just doesn't match up with you well. There is little you can do, except maybe try to send her back. This isn't always possible, but depending on the arrangement it sometimes is.

As I've stated before, in my experience when a pro encounter went bad it was often just as much my fault as hers. Even in a pro encounter some sort of mood or vibe develops, whether positive, neutral or negative. Sometimes MY mood, my vibe or my attitude just wasn't right. Especially in an atmosphere in which vocal communication is either not possible or limited by language, other factors such as body language and non-verbal communication are even more important than they would be in a normal encounter in which there was a language basis.

Just my 2 cents.

Helena Moscow

10-06-08, 19:46

To Hecker

I agree with what you written in everything but the fact that clients are treated like a second-class just for being clients. This is not so. Skank made right comments on this and I join them.

Piper1

10-06-08, 23:50

El Kapitan had a bad night, largely because of El Kapitan. Man, in all your posts on ISG in a number of cities, including in Dubai, you ask for contact details for sex providers, but you make it clear in your posts don't want actually want sex. (Talk to the hand, El Kapitan).

This approach leads to confusion for the WG (Helena in this case) who must think to herself over an hour or two of uncomfortable mixed-messages from El Kapitan: "What does this guy actually want."

El Kapitan is simply wrong in saying that paying for intimate time with a woman is only a business transaction. No need for me to explain - he already knows this, which is clear from his last few posts.

Ffmbud

10-07-08, 00:19

Get outta here with all this philosophical BS about disclaimers etc.

Bottomline she ripped him off because she thought she could!!

That kind of crap wouldn't hunt in Moscow for sure cause you never know who knows who. But in Prague, it's anonymous. Now we know why she got booted from working NF in Moscow years ago.

Piper1

10-07-08, 00:33

... Bottomline she ripped him off because she thought she could!!I doubt it. Helena knew he's an ISG member and that he would probably report here, so for things to go so wrong, there's clearly more to the story. Let's face it, El Kapitan has issues, and he should switch from ISG to the Discovery Channel.
Now we know why she got booted from working NF in Moscow years ago. Interesting. Tell us more, if you are genuine.

Guido88

10-07-08, 05:09

El Kapitan is simply wrong in saying that paying for intimate time with a woman is only a business transaction. No need for me to explain - he already knows this, which is clear from his last few posts.

Piper

I have to disagree with this statement

It is clearly a business transaction in the girl’s minds.

Why else would they call us “Wallets” and spend time with men when the only interest is money.

Don’t get me wrong, personally I love this setup. I can have sex with a gorgeous service oriented woman ½ my age, and then be free to go drink beer with the boys. Life is good.

It’s a bad sign that as Moscow becomes more westernized the service provided appears to be slipping. Many more complaints in the past couple of years.

If we mongers get ripped off in Russia its because we allowed it to happen. “NO” is a very effective word in this type of a situation.

El Kapitan made a mistake in paying, the service rendered was a rip off. He should have ended the session and spent his 200-euro on one of the many thousands of other girls that are available and more than willing to please.

We can find overpriced, difficult bitchy women at our homes.

No reason to travel for that.

In the area I call home a new trend is some hookers are now refusing getting naked, touching, blow jobs or sex with all clients. They do however provide the opportunity to spend $300-500 an hour. It’s a joke……

I hate to see Moscow pussy heaven moving that direction.

This is not the first negative report I have heard on Helana.

The other monger felt that both quality and value were lacking and would not repeat the experience.

Helana

You know why we men travel long distances to Russia.

It’s not to hear you speak English.

Bottom line is we go for great looking, serviced oriented women who will deliver as requested. It’s all about the women’s attitude. IMHO

Perhaps you are tired of the working life and would be better suited taking your language skills into another profession. Just a thought…..

Guido88

AColonizer

10-07-08, 09:22

I Totally Agree With You!

Just three underlines:

- Always and anyway, all females like just cock and/or money, in different ways, but this is an universal law.

- There is the "woman trouble" where American/Western culture has arrived. Woman is a trouble in USA (see the thread), woman is a trouble in Europe, woman is becoming a trouble in Kiev and woman is becoming a trouble in Russia too.

- I often said to mongers "don't inflationate pussy market", but everybody doesn't mind that and now an easy pussy fucking is expensive: this is our end thanks to mongers' foolinesh.

Piper

I have to disagree with this statement

It is clearly a business transaction in the girl’s minds.

Why else would they call us “Wallets” and spend time with men when the only interest is money.

Don’t get me wrong, personally I love this setup. I can have sex with a gorgeous service oriented woman ½ my age, and then be free to go drink beer with the boys. Life is good.

It’s a bad sign that as Moscow becomes more westernized the service provided appears to be slipping. Many more complaints in the past couple of years.

If we mongers get ripped off in Russia its because we allowed it to happen. “NO” is a very effective word in this type of a situation.

El Kapitan made a mistake in paying, the service rendered was a rip off. He should have ended the session and spent his 200-euro on one of the many thousands of other girls that are available and more than willing to please.

We can find overpriced, difficult bitchy women at our homes.

No reason to travel for that.

In the area I call home a new trend is some hookers are now refusing getting naked, touching, blow jobs or sex with all clients. They do however provide the opportunity to spend $300-500 an hour. It’s a joke……

I hate to see Moscow pussy heaven moving that direction.

This is not the first negative report I have heard on Helana.

The other monger felt that both quality and value were lacking and would not repeat the experience.

Helana

You know why we men travel long distances to Russia.

It’s not to hear you speak English.

Bottom line is we go for great looking, serviced oriented women who will deliver as requested. It’s all about the women’s attitude. IMHO

Perhaps you are tired of the working life and would be better suited taking your language skills into another profession. Just a thought…..

Guido88

Prosal

10-07-08, 11:21

We can find overpriced, difficult bitchy hookers at our homes.
Yeah, and no need to be very intuitive nor very smart to guess that Helena stands high in this category.

Anyone who has read more two lines of her controvertial, opinionated and embittered posts knows what I'm talking about.

Pizdyets

10-07-08, 17:46

What kind of logic are you using to figure that one out? I agree with the first part..but the second.

Good point, Cruiser. I used a bad example. Ted Bundy was an outlier when it comes to serial killers, because he was indeed charming and good looking. Most of them look/behave more like Brad Pitt in Kalifornia. :)

But when one has the opportunity to trade emails/chat with someone for a while, one can sense at least a hint of their personality.

Pizdyets

10-07-08, 18:19

As I've stated before, in my experience when a pro encounter went bad it was often just as much my fault as hers. Even in a pro encounter some sort of mood or vibe develops, whether positive, neutral or negative. Sometimes MY mood, my vibe or my attitude just wasn't right. Especially in an atmosphere in which vocal communication is either not possible or limited by language, other factors such as body language and non-verbal communication are even more important than they would be in a normal encounter in which there was a language basis.

Doc - agree with you 100% here. I've only had a handful of bad experiences with WGs, but most of them I chalk up to either a) excessive alcohol imparing my selection process or b) lack of communication up-front on what both of us can expect. What knowledge I've gleaned from years of whoring really boils down to that - effective selection and setting clear expectations. Used to be that I would pick a girl based entirely on looks and once I got her home, I would find she didn't want to kiss me, rejected DATY, etc... It's perfectly fine to discuss all that in advance, especially if you're in a bar/club, and in fact it often arouses the girl to do so. Ad if you're doing salons, out-call, or in-call, you can also clarify all that in advance.

Priamos

10-07-08, 19:03

A second class playing games and doing tricks is further unacceptable. For example what does ''not full service'' mean? Why not define it? Does it mean massage + HJ, massage + HJ + BJ, massage + HJ + BJ + DFK, or sth else? You have to define it. Noone is expected to know beforehand what the other means by the expression ''not full service'' which is supposed to cause positive thoughts in escort's mind (I will be paid by sb who wants only to talk, sth which happens in some cases of escorts' clients).

In my opinion it is not necessary to cause any positive thoughts in escort's minds. You just tell what you have in mind and see if she agrees. For example ''anal is possible? '', ''is it possible to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you? '', ''is it possible that you lick my anus? '' etc, so they agree or not and you know the prices and the possibilities. Of course they can steal you afterwards in terms of time, for example by appearing late but usually what is agreed beforehand is carried out the way it was agreed.

Hecker, yes, I do agree with you, but... hell, there's just something about my Protestant upbringing. You can talk till you're blue in the face, but in each kind of transaction there are certain, basic minimum standards of service that the client has a right to expect and that cannot be explained away through "...oh, you should have specified". If you pay 200 bucks to a pro then you have a right to expect that a simple BJ is included. End of story.

Stravinsky

10-07-08, 19:59

It's perfectly fine to discuss all that in advance, especially if you're in a bar/club, and in fact it often arouses the girl to do so. And if you're doing salons, out-call, or in-call, you can also clarify all that in advance.We probably should correct a statement that El Kapitan made in his post. Despite what he said, prostitution is not illegal in Russia. It's OK to discuss prices and services freely with women, whether over the phone or over the internet or in person. The vice squad is not going to jump you and haul you away.

One of the wonderful things about Russian women is that they typically have very few "complexes" about sex, at least not if you're in the proper venue.

If you walk into a strip club and you're not sure if sex is possible on the premises, just ask the hostess or offitsanka, "Can I have sex in here?". She will respond very matter-of-factly; either, "No, that's not possible here", or, "Yes, of course", and proceed to outline all the of the various possibilities and prices. If one of the dancers strikes your fancy and you'd like to fuck her, then all you have to do is ask her, "Can I fuck you?", and she will respond very matter-of-factly; either, "No, I'm not here for sex, I just dance", or she will say, "Yes, of course, what would like?" If you want anal sex, then just ask her, "Can I fuck you in the ass?", and she might say, "No, I'm not into that", or she might say "OK, but I charge an extra 1000 rubles for that service."

For someone who is accustomed to living in sex prison, it takes a little getting used to, but, as Pizdyets has pointed out, once you get used to the idea, just the process of negotiation can be a turn on.

Priamos

10-07-08, 20:39

Freddy, if I say here what sort of client YOU are, how you look, smell and behave, if Victoria comfirms this, you will shut your mouth for a long time. We all remember your shitty reports about almost each provider you met, and I'm sure that in most most cases the only reason for them was your shitty character and personality.

Execuse me, Helena, but this is not good enough. If people dare to disagree with you, or godforbid criticise you, then that's because they're not right in their heads??? What happened to the old adage "the client is king"? Sam Walton famously once said "My attitude toward the client must be, oh, don't mind me. I'm just the owner". It seems your attitude is "Hey, I'm the owner! I demand respect! If you're not satisfied you can just eff off!!"

Jake993

10-07-08, 22:28

Helena Moscow

10-07-08, 22:40

European Paul

10-07-08, 22:53

Please forgive if this is the wrong area

I will stay 5/6 days in Moscow next week (3rd time in my life) and me and my friend (that lives in M and speaks a bit of russian and I understand a bit too) want to go 'outiside Moscow' just for the weekend (max 1/2/3 train hours): where can we go to enjoy local girls? I think that prices will drop outside Moscow.

Thank you

Hecker

10-07-08, 22:59

Priamos, king is a person born in a royal family and sitting in a trone. Client is a person who pays for service. See the difference? Client is in the same position with a person offering service. Because they exchange equivalent things. Client doesn't pay more than service costs and he doesn't pay less. He pays as agreed. Both client and provider can be right or wrong, there is no previllage for anyone. This is not a vertical transaction, but straigtly horizontal. As for this "It seems your attitude is "Hey, I'm the owner! I demand respect! If you're not satisfied you can just eff off!!" - I don't understand what surprises you. I own my time, business, body, mind and so on. If you come to me for service, from the beginning I treat you with respect for granted. Not for being a client, but because I have no reason for other sort of attitude to a person I don't know. I do expect the same in return. From the beginning I don't cheat you and try to make things clear. And I do expect the same in return. If to respect a person and being honest for you is a problem, we will never find common language. Search for someone who accepts the attitude "Serve me, I'm a king because I pay", "I treat you like shit because I pay", "I don't have to respect you because I pay". You are also the owner of your time, body, money and other stuff. May be with this attitude you manage to come to agreement with some slave from BDSM community, but I bet even he (or she) will insist on discussing the game from beginning to end and setting up the limits. Paying agreed price doesn't give you the right to rise your self-esteem on another person't expence. It only gives you the right to receive the agreed service on the conditions matching both sides. Try to say you are a king somewhere else, let's say in a private club or shop and see what happens ;))) It's same anywhere.Very good description of the russian concept of service.

Jake993

10-07-08, 23:04

Golden words, Jake ;) Do you have any news?
Well, during the month of September, I spent 7 nights at home and the rest of the month in Moscow, Kiev, Ashgabat, Sao Paulo, and Rio de Janeiro. Hey! that's sex on four continents in one month.

News? Heck yes! I'd say that's news!

Guido88

10-08-08, 00:29

Will someone please stick a fork in this thread? I think it's done.

For any of you who are not native English speakers, this is a late 20th century colloquialism for suggesting that a topic has been discussed to the point where it will yield no more useful information.

I think we have reached this point in this thread after 26 (including mine) posts (#2314 - #2339) where all that is to follow is name calling and accusations. Clearly there are differences in values and opinions and I doubt very much whether additional discussion is going to change anyone's mind one way or the other.

I know this is not a formal meeting but I would like to make a motion that this current topic come to and end. Let's move on.......

Anyone want to second the motion?

Second on the motion

Strav’s and Pizdyets comments on how to negotiate the best service with “ANY” provider are spot on. Posts 2335 and 2337.

Part of the problem are mongers coming from sex prison “USA” who are unaccustomed to being so straightforward on their needs.

From my experience you can say almost anything to a Russian woman without offending them. The more direct the better.

However this is a lesson I had to learn as well.

Reminds of the evening when Lukasek asks 15 women lined up in a in salon

“Who takes it in the ass? “

Classic moment you could not get away with in many locations in the world.

Overall my satisfaction rate in Russia is 99%, far better than anywhere else in the world.

Guido88

El Kapitan

10-08-08, 20:41

Stravinsky

10-09-08, 00:11

EK,

Do you speak Russian at all? You know, more than just "da" and "nyet"?

Shelbysbaker

10-09-08, 00:26

I just came back to Moscow to read what has transpired...interesting.

I was in Berlin had had two wonderful meetings for a great massage with a very happy and satisfied endings.

So now that I'm back on the land of Lenin where can I go or who I can see to repeat this experience?

To Stravinsky, I'll be in MOW off and on for at least another 2 weeks.

I look forward to the responses.

I'm American. Our economy is so much in the crapper right now, I might even consider doing it for 200 Euro if things get any more desperate.

What the Hell. You said you just want a great massage and there's no sex involved :-). According to the reports I read, it won't be much different than your last Russian experience :-)

I speak fluent English by the way.

Jake993

10-09-08, 01:17

El Kapitan

10-09-08, 01:59

EK,

Do you speak Russian at all? You know, more than just "da" and "nyet"?Nyet.

I am working on it but certainly not capable in any meaningful way. I can ride the metro and find my way out. That is about it.

Pizdyets

10-09-08, 03:08

I'm American. Our economy is so much in the crapper right now, I might even consider doing it for 200 Euro if things get any more desperate.

What the Hell. You said you just want a great massage and there's no sex involved :-). According to the reports I read, it won't be much different than your last Russian experience :-)

I speak fluent English by the way.

Captain - how about a SSB/Pizdyets double-team? I'm well versed on Russian history, culture and architecture and speak flawless English. SSB can even film the encounter for your grandkids. Think "My Dinner with Andre" moved from NYC to Moscow...

Seriously, Strav has posted on a number of rug-n-tugs which should deliver the goods and at significantly lower prices than Lenechka's. Udachi tebe.

El Kapitan

10-09-08, 14:20

Captain. How about a SSB/Pizdyets double-team? I'm well versed on Russian history, culture and architecture and speak flawless English. SSB can even film the encounter for your grandkids. Think "My Dinner with Andre" moved from NYC to Moscow.

Seriously, Strav has posted on a number of rug-n-tugs which should deliver the goods and at significantly lower prices than Lenechka's. Udachi tebe. I am RTFF for Strav's info.

I think I'll have to pass on your most generous offer Pizdyets for some 4 hands fun. Regardless of what you may have heard I (please choose from one of the following):

A) was young and needed the money

B) was drunk

C) was not aware they were filming and never signed a release

D) thought you were my wife

I will probably try Night Flight, Che, and The Real McCoy. At this point I think I'm more interested in exploring the "non-pro" night life and getting the full Moscow experience.

If any of you are going to be heading out feel free to hit me up.

Cheers

El Kapitan

10-09-08, 14:49

I doubt it. Helena knew he's an ISG member and that he would probably report here, so for things to go so wrong, there's clearly more to the story. Let's face it, El Kapitan has issues, and he should switch from ISG to the Discovery Channel.Interesting. Tell us more, if you are genuine.I am not sure what my "issues" are other than I prefer a massage and HJ/cbj to throwing my junk up in the ass of any WG willing to sell it. Everyone must make decisions that reconcile their desire, their knowledge of things that can go wrong, and set their comfort level for risk. My preference is born of a comfort level for risk vs. Reward. I have met many a WG who I would like nothing better than to lock myself away with for a weekend. But in the end my personal comfort level is not there for this activity.

I have no issue with other hobbyists who have a greater tolerance for risk or greater sexual adventure. To each his own. This is one of the last places I would expect to find a lot of "holier than thou" and judgmental behavior.

I remember seeing your name quite a bit in the Dubai forum where I have spent some time myself so I reviewed it. I pulled some girls out of Rockafella's and Rattle Snake myself for exactly what I wanted. Which was a nice massage and CBJ from a hot girl at a good price.

I don't wish to re-energize this dead thread but I also don't wish to be insulted by a stranger. Especially one I am not paying.

I respect your knowledge and experience in the wild world of mongering Piper. I really enjoy your reports and humor and don't wish to enter into a cyber pissing match.

Perhaps I should have let your comments float on by but I don't think this is a place any of us should be afraid to report on our experiences or our preferences.

PS. I also believe that if anyone cares to check I am consistent on what I look for and have only ever given 1 bad review.

El Kapitan

10-09-08, 15:13

I will accept equal responsibility for the bad experience I had with Helena.

I assumed that if an escort charges 200EU / 2 hr that this would normally include the usual chat, sex, etc. The fact that I did not wish to have intercourse or perform oral sex on the escort I would have thought if anything would constitute a DECREASE in provided services, not an increase or unusual "non-standad" request such as anal, bareback, etc.

Assumptions are always bad and especially so when crossing cultural lines. I should not have said "chat, massage, and we will see where it goes". As someone else pointed out I was misinformed that prostitution in Russia is illegal. The feedback this forum has provided as led me to develop my new standard request phrasing:

"I want a thorough full body massage followed by a combination of manual digital manipulation of my genitalia (handjob) and oral sex (blowjob) with a condom to ejaculation. My asshole is off limits. I expect your pictures to be recent and accurate with no photoshopping. I expect the time that we agree to will be honored and there will be no limit as to the number of times I may ejaculate. I expect a good attitude and professional behavior during the session. If any of these expectation are not met I will not honor the agreed to price".

I have realized the error of my ways and will adjust my negotiations accordingly.

On on a side note if Rusdosug.com had not been offline or if Natasha had answered her cell then it may very well have been a different evening altogether. I should have exercised patience and waited for one of my higher choices. Always trust your gut.

Enough said.

Pizdyets

10-09-08, 16:28

I am RTFF for Strav's info.

I think I'll have to pass on your most generous offer Pizdyets for some 4 hands fun. Regardless of what you may have heard I (please choose from one of the following):

A) was young and needed the money

B) was drunk

C) was not aware they were filming and never signed a release

D) thought you were my wife

I will probably try Night Flight, Che, and The Real McCoy. At this point I think I'm more interested in exploring the "non-pro" night life and getting the full Moscow experience.

If any of you are going to be heading out feel free to hit me up.

Cheers

LOL!

Yes, I strongly suggest Che. Make a dinner reservation if you want to guarantee admission (food ain't half bad).

Tunnel can also be fun - I usually drop by there around 5am to see what sluts are left alone or are willing to dump their dork-for-a-night "boyfriends". But it's bottom trawling at best, and I'm not talking Patagonian Toothfish.

Priamos

10-09-08, 20:52

priamos, king is a person born in a royal family and sitting in a trone. client is a person who pays for service. see the difference? client is in the same position with a person offering service. because they exchange equivalent things. client doesn't pay more than service costs and he doesn't pay less. he pays as agreed. both client and provider can be right or wrong, there is no previllage for anyone.

yeah, well, sorry for "flogging a dead horse" but i really don't understand why you're being so aggressive, helena. the words i proffered, "the client is king", are not an assertive claim of superiority that i personally have devised. in fact, they are an american figure of speech that you hear all the time in the united states, repeated more or less as the "creed" of their client oriented commercial economy. if you have a problem with that, fine, who am i to judge people? however, some of your staunch supporters on this thread are - if i can judge from their english - americans, and "the client is king" will be (using another yank colloquialism) "like motherhood and apple pie" to them.

Guido88

10-09-08, 22:49

"I want a thorough full body massage followed by a combination of manual digital manipulation of my genitalia (handjob) and oral sex (blowjob) with a condom to ejaculation. My asshole is off limits. I expect your pictures to be recent and accurate with no photoshopping. I expect the time that we agree to will be honored and there will be no limit as to the number of times I may ejaculate. I expect a good attitude and professional behavior during the session. If any of these expectation are not met I will not honor the agreed to price".

El Kap

To learn the lay of the land in Moscow you need to either hook up with either fellow experienced ISG members or expats living in Moscow.

For expats try the Hot Dog or other venues that cater to that client base. Irish pubs are also good.

Then meet people and pick their brains for suggestions. Works well for me.

As to your other criteria its’ going to get lost in the lengthy presentation.

Solution is simple. Act like the true dog you are and approach as a Russian man would.

#1- 1st is “I have paid and bought for your ass.” You will do as requested and take pride in what you do. They know that but like children will test boundaries.

#2- Show up at my door looking like your picture or you will be sent home.

#3- Payment will be after service is provided. Those insisting on upfront are usually the worst performers. Refer to #2. Show them money; do not release it until you finish with full satisfaction.

If it’s a salon leave a good tip visible and they will perform, as will the other girls when you return already known as a good tipper.

I always tip for good performance and find it helps for future sessions or in the same salon or escort service.

The amazing thing here is that these rules are what the RU girls are accustomed to. RU women are second-class citizens and have been for thousands of years. Take advantage of that.

It’s the pussy whipped sex starved Western tourists that have fucked things up.

Be firm, be a man and be demanding and all will be fine. The RU women respect a firm man and will walk all over a weak one.

You might want to reconsider your prostate hesitations, makes for one hell of an intense finish. :) IMHO Halfway kidding…..

Long as you are confirmed straight it’s no big deal.

Guido88

El Kapitan

10-09-08, 23:14

Long as you are confirmed straight it’s no big deal.

Guido88If you enjoy having something shoved into your ass I am not sure how you can confirm you are straight! :)

I actually have tried it on a couple of occasions (not so fast...with women that I trusted) and found it uncomfortable and got no pleasure from it. If anything was a little painful. So not my cup of tea.

I appreciate the rest of your advice and will try to put it to good use.

Gentleman Travel

10-10-08, 15:20

If you enjoy having something shoved into your ass I am not sure how you can confirm you are straight! :)

I actually have tried it on a couple of occasions (not so fast...with women that I trusted) and found it uncomfortable and got no pleasure from it. If anything was a little painful. So not my cup of tea.

I appreciate the rest of your advice and will try to put it to good use.
I think you are misunderstanding Guido's recommendation about what get's placed where. Clear communications are essential in this business.

Reminds me of a funny story about a guy heading out to Dubai the first time, stop me if you have heard this one before...

The new guy, we will call him Piper, arrives in a isolated construction camp in the desert. The project manager shows him around, housing, dining, recreational facilities, with satellite TV, etc. Piper looks around at the all-male crew and says, "Sure, this is all very nice, but what do you do ... you know ... about sex?"

"Oh, that's not a problem, when we get horny, we just go down behind the shed there, and use that camel," the project manager explains, pointing out a rather mangy looking animal tied up to a palm tree.

Piper just shakes his head and says to himself, "No way I will ever get that desperate!"

But the work is hard and the days are hot and the nights are long and after a couple of weeks Piper is getting hornier and hornier and the camel is looking better and better...

So finally one day Piper breaks down and runs over to the camel, drops his pants and starts shagging the bleating beast. When he is finished he looks around and sees the rest of the crew staring and snickering at him.

"What are you all looking at!" Piper shouts, "You said you all use the camel when you get horny!"

The project manager shakes his head and says, "When we get horny, we use the camel ... to ride to the *****house in town!"

El Kapitan

10-10-08, 16:09

Nice!

However,

I think you are misunderstanding Guido's recommendation about what get's placed where. Clear communications are essential in this business.

You might want to reconsider your prostate hesitations, makes for one hell of an intense finish. IMHO Halfway kidding…..

I was pretty sure Guido88 was talking about having a finger inserted in your ass for a "prostate massage" which supposedly creates a very intense orgasm. As Austin Powers said, "It's not my bag baby."

Stravinsky

10-10-08, 16:09

GT,

HA! Good one, never heard that before.

El Kapitan

10-11-08, 03:01

Okay so I need a good recommendation for Saturday in MOW.

From the forum it seems Karma, Real McCoy, and Che are good places that are semi English friendly and provide some "normal" girls. Any thoughts on these?

Also anyone have feedback on live music venues? I was thinking the Dom u Dorogi, B.B.King, or Arbat Blues Club.

Thanks for the info.

El Kapitan

10-13-08, 14:42

Jake993

10-13-08, 15:16

Tour of duty ends this coming Saturday so any recommendations of other places for Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri are appreciated.
Food too!

Good choice on NF for dinner. Tough to beat their fillet.

Michael's on Tverskoye Bulvar (south of Tverskaya near Nikitskaya) is an excellent place (albeit pricey) for a great meal. Interesting crowd. Both times I have been there there's a mix of upscale Russians and (non-American) foreigners. Date and I got invited to a private party afterward by the folks at the table next to us - so that was pretty cool.

There also an interesting Peruvian Restaurant called El Inka. It's located on the third level of the shopping mall called 5th Avenue. It's a 10- minute walk from the Oktyaberskoye Pole metro. Food is ok, but they have a live latin band on weekends (and I think on Thursdays). If you like to latin dance you can most certainly pull a non-pro out of there after a few dances and few drinks. Lots of beautiful girls dancing together - always a good sign.

If you have not tried it, Cafe Pushkin is worth going to (once) just for the experience. Expensive but very nicely put together restaurant. Food is excellent but not memorable. It's more for the experience of the place.

Doctor_Skank

10-13-08, 15:36

Good choice on NF for dinner. Tough to beat their fillet.

Michael's on Tverskoye Bulvar (south of Tverskaya near Nikitskaya) is an excellent place (albeit pricey) for a great meal. Interesting crowd. Both times I have been there there's a mix of upscale Russians and (non-American) foreigners. Date and I got invited to a private party afterward by the folks at the table next to us - so that was pretty cool.

There also an interesting Peruvian Restaurant called El Inka. It's located on the third level of the shopping mall called 5th Avenue. It's a 10- minute walk from the Oktyaberskoye Pole metro. Food is ok, but they have a live latin band on weekends (and I think on Thursdays). If you like to latin dance you can most certainly pull a non-pro out of there after a few dances and few drinks. Lots of beautiful girls dancing together - always a good sign.

If you have not tried it, Cafe Pushkin is worth going to (once) just for the experience. Expensive but very nicely put together restaurant. Food is excellent but not memorable. It's more for the experience of the place.El Inka sounds cool...

Other recommendations:

CitySpace Bar on top floor of SwissOtel Kransye Holmy. Go at dusk and order a single drink.... anything else is too expensive. But the view is awesome. That bar has gotten me laid many times... but also cost me a small fortune. BTW... it's a BRING a date place. It would be pretty awkward trying to pick someone up there... single girls don't go there because it's too expensive. BTW, did I mention it's expensive?

If you are only interested in quality of food, the chow at "Scandanavia" is great. Excellent meat, the mixed grill is superb as is the fried salmon or herring starter. OK place for date, but not really romantic. Too cool and Scandanavian for romance... I only go there with girls I have already bagged.

Jake993

10-13-08, 16:19

El Inka sounds cool...
It is indeed. Check it out.
http://www.afisha.ru/msk/club/12105/
But be warned, I heard that they now close at midnight because the mall owners were concerned about people roaming the upscale mall at 3:00 AM.
BUT - if you show up at 2200 and move fast, you can either bag one early or hook up with a group of devs going to he the next dance club.

AColonizer

10-13-08, 17:15

I ask for your reviews about:

http://www.putana.nu

At last, there are a lot of prostitutes' sites but nobody reports experiences here. One of the purposes of this forum is to review girls and agencies to avoid mistakes and frauds.

Guido88

10-13-08, 21:10

El Kapitan

10-14-08, 01:24

So far I have hit:

Night Flight - last Sunday had dinner (very good filet) and and hung in the bar. Lots of 7's to 9's. All quoted $500 (agree with the "union" comment). I left alone but enjoyed the experience.

Hit Che on Sat (no reso so turned away as expected) Real McCoy (good swing band but full and no tables and I needed food, women were not looking strong anyway), ended up at Papa John's. Some really nice looking girls but a full joint and I had an early Sun anyway so I didn't stay long. Pretty fair pizza though and watching some of the crazy Russian guys dance was VERY entertaining...

Hit Karma on Sunday. I enjoyed the club but the women were not as hot as expected. 5 - 8's. As someone mentioned it is Hip-Hop oriented on Sun at least and it seemed the majority of girls there were looking for dark meat.

I think I will try Parizhskaya Zhizn' today (Mon) and if that sucks not sure where to head...maybe head to Hot Dog's to check the box.

Tour of duty ends this coming Saturday so any recommendations of other places for Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri are appreciated.

Food too!

Well I hit Parizhskaya Zhizn' on Monday. I had dinner (not great) and then went upstairs. I entered at 2330. Total of 5 girls and one guy. I remembered my forum info though and decided to stick it out and see what transpired since it was "early". It was a decent crowd by 0100 with a few decent girls but about a 50/50 mix girls to guys. Id di see one of the funniest things so far in MOW...a guy by lonesome decided his dress shirt was just too much so he decided to unbotton it and tie it into a "half shirt" while dancing on the elevated stage. I was highly entertained.

So true to my word I headed for Hot Dogs/Boarhouse/Chesterfields at 0300. 200 rub to get in, 100 rub for the jacket...and I stayed about 15 min. The girls looked pretty used up...I did test the urinals though...just to check the box. Not as bad as I expected but the bleach burns in my lungs may have affected my sense of smell!

So bailed out and let the cabbie talk me into a place called Bordello (?). I should have bailed as soon as they asked for 1000 rub to enter...I didn't realize it was a strip club until too late. About 50 girls (all pretty hot) and 3 guys. I was mobbed and my dance nyet seemed to fall on deaf ears. I bailed after about 10 min and in that time I already had a stripper tell me I was a "bad man" for not paying her for mauling me.

I decided to check out Gharzh (sp?) near Puskinskaya. At this point it was about 0345 and the doorman said "club card". I asked how much was membership to which he said something in Russian which I of course did not understand. I decided to bail so no idea on there. I dug Papa's the other night so I thought I may try there....it looked empty from the outside so I bailed and just headed back to the apartment.

Overall a fairly disappointing night. I am hoping that Wed will be better.

El Kapitan

10-14-08, 01:30

Jake993

10-14-08, 13:36

thanks to dr. skank, jake and guido for the tips and suggestions.

ek,

keep this one in the back of your mind. down on novy arbat (near arbatskaya metro) is a bar / restaurant called zhiguli (like the car) . it's known for being a brezhnev era bar. very plain with concrete floors and wooden benches - proletarian is the look they were going for i think.

if you come in the door, the bar is to the right and the restaurant is to the left. they normally have a live band during the week after 9:00 pm that play a wide variety of dance music. early in the week, (tues, wed) it seems to be a popular place for office colleagues to go for a happy hour after work. eat some food, drink some beer (and maybe a little vodka) and do some dancing.

i was there in june on a tuesday night with a date and saw a table with about 12 beautiful girls and only 3 rather dopey looking guys. by 10 pm, the girls were trashed and hitting on all of the guys in the restaurant to come and dance with them. when my date went to use the ladies room, one of the girls literally dragged my up onto the dance floor during a slow dance and proceeded to grind her crotch into my leg. of course, when my date came back, i just about had to break up a cat fight, but i digress.

this may have been an isolated incident but in talking with expat friends who live in moscow, they often make a swing past zhiguli just to see what's available. hey - it's worth a peek. i don't think an elitny muscovite girl would be caught dead in the place, but who fucking cares? it seems to be a popular spot with the office girls so i think it's one to keep handy.

good luck,

jake

Doctor_Skank

10-14-08, 14:43

ek,

keep this one in the back of your mind. down on novy arbat (near arbatskaya metro) is a bar / restaurant called zhiguli (like the car) . it's known for being a brezhnev era bar. hey - it's worth a peek. i don't think an elitny muscovite girl would be caught dead in the place, but who fucking cares? it seems to be a popular spot with the office girls so i think it's one to keep handy. nice call jake.

s1ut factor:
office girls>elitny muscovites

go for it. and sometimes they even have their own car.

and guess what, skank has a good jedi mind trick ploy for that.

lena: "doc, i can't drink tonight. i have a car."

doc: "lenochka, it's cold outside. you should have a vodka. we'll drink to a holiday together in a warm place.*"

lena: "but doc, i am scared of militia. they are everywhere. i can't afford to lose my licence."

doc: "you're right lena, you'd better stay at my place tonight. it's very close and warm there and you can drive to work in the morning. i'll be nice and sleep on the couch and not try to fuck you, or even stick a finger in you. promise.**"

* a fucking lie!
** another fucking lie!

Jake993

10-14-08, 15:37

* a fucking lie!
** another fucking lie!

Spoken in the voice of Babu Bhat from an episode of "Seinfeld"

"You are a bad man, Dr. Skank, a VERY bad man....."

Eros74

10-14-08, 16:49

To be in Ufa on monday evening is so boring, nobody in the city, even the lobby bar at hotel Baskortostan was empty of girls, so now I am in my bedroom killling the time writing my report....

Friday 3 october

I flight with Aereoflot, not bad, even if the plane looked very old, arrived to Sheremetyevo, passport control was so crowded, I guess about 2-300 people,but I noticed almost nobody to the check of electronic passport, I went there and in 10 minutes I was out where my friend sent me the regular taxi that for only 1400 rubles took me to hotel Zolotoj Kolos.
Zolotoj it is the cheapest hotel I found, actually they are in total in 8 differents buildings very close to hotel Cosmos. When I arrived I had immediately to afford the typical russian service, cause they told me I will stay not in the main building but in the other one, so they,only in russian, described me the street to do to get to my building....imagine...such tired, with almost 35kg of suitcases walking in the night searching for an address nobody knows....and I really did not found the other building, so I went back to the main building where they described me one more time in russian where I will stay.....it was really a bad beginning after 4 years from my last time in Russia...

I found my building after about one hour, fast shower and I met with my russian friend and his wife, we went to simple pleasures restaurant, couple of salads and beers and.... 4,500 rubles (121 euro)....I was already tired of Moscow...so used to the price of year 2004......

Then they went to sleep and I wanted to try Karma bar, it was about 2:00 and...obviously I did not passed the strict face control, nevermind, I stopped few cars just to be able to find one driver that knows where is hot dog.....once where I drunk couple of beer and start to look to the girls....

It was enough to just blink an eyes and they came to me one after one, they asked 12.000 rubles (320 euro) and I obviously said no. I was tired and not really in mood to get sex, surely not at such insane prices. What I noticed that till 3:00 all the girls were alone, nobody took out no one of them.
One came to me and said, 10.000 rubles (270 euro), still too much. Later another one came and said to me 5.000 rubles ( 135 euro), not bad but she looked bad....

I was there till 5:00 am and very few girls went away with somebody, it seems they do not want to negotiate, they prefer to not work instead to work for cheaper price, their problem,surely not mine.

Saturday 4 october

I was so tired I slept almost all the day, evening I got a dinner at hot dog and more or less there it was as the evening of the previous day. I was waiting for my travel to Ufa so I did not care so much about to get sex in the so insane expensive Moscow.
But I remember....in 2004 I got so much fun and so great sex getting tochka together guido88, that I went out of hot dog and try to find a driver that could find me a good tochka.
I found one, we were to search,but it was almost morning, so we found nothing really good, however the good thing, he wanted only 1500 rubles ( 40 euro) for almost 1 hour of driving, not so bad price I guess.

Sunday 5 october

I spent the day in the red square with my friend, evening I went to hot dog again, cause I was not in mood to test again strict face control, but this time at 22:00 I called my friend to search tochka. He told me he was busy, so I found another driver, he was from Daghestan and when I asked his price for tochka he told me, he charged 1km 40 rubles (1 euro), it seem to me so great price I said, let's go.
The only problem,he spoke only russian,but as I understood later, instead to search to somebody that speaks english,better to try to speak russian,cause my good knowledge of czech language together with many hours spent listen Pimsleour lesson course,made my russian better than I could even imagine.

To make long short, we went only few km far from hotel Cosmos and there were really many tochkas, enough cheap and even if they were not a top notch,they were much better than many girls you see in hot dog.

I took one blonde from Tula, she was 20yo, about 160cm for 50kg for 8.000 rubles ( 215 euro) till morning. We sit in the back of the taxi kissing each other as two lovers, the only problem was the security of the hotel....but she surprised me, she had passport,so I neither bribed the security, the reception woman just wrote her name and we were in bedroom.

It was nothing wonderful, but very nice friendly passionate sex, no anal, but bbbj and fk and for only 8.000 in moscow was very good, think she stayed about 9 hours and I had sex 3 times.
Ah...how much wanted my driver ? He really count the number of km he drove and 1kmX40 rubles, so just 1.100 rubles (30 euro).....

These were my 3 days in Moscow, just a couple of lines to write that it is really too big city for a normal guy as me that it is used to live in a city with only 200.000 inhabitants, Moscow and the non speakers Moscovits eat you.....specially at the first day till you do not get used how it all works and to be alone surely not help you....

I could not wait to go to Ufa and to be in smaller city, in about a week I will post a report about my 14 days in Ufa in other section, so far, udachu....

Priamos

10-14-08, 19:10

Several of you will remember that I asked for advice on contacting Moscow girls via email a couple of weeks ago. At least one person adviced me back then, as a foreigner with only the flimsiest command of Russian, to "stick to the glossy, expensive escort services catering to visiting foreigners". I thought, at the time, that this was silly and condescending, but I've come around to realise that it was probably a well intended warning. I share with you the following little story about my preparations for a visit to Moscow next week. There's nothing awfully new there, just some facts that I find mildly amusing and perhaps instructive for newcomers like myself.

I went on the dating site maw.ru and came across a young woman called Kristina, 21 years old, located in the centre of Moscow. She wasn't awfully pretty but, as I've always said, if I can't find a stunner I prefer "the neighbour's chubby daughter" to a somwhat-pretty girl who considers herself god's gift to the mongers. I relied on PROMPT to give my emails a reasonably good skin of Russian.

Kristina was perfectly willing to come to my room for a couple of hours. Her prices were 1500 rubles for an hour of Oral plus Classic; 1000 for BBBJ; 1500 for Anal. Yes, I wanted to know, but how much is a package? Two hours with Classic plus BBBJ. Ah that, she told me, is 1500+1500 = 3000 roubles - with no extra for BBBJ. This is obviously a suspiciously low price, but - idiot that I am - I congratulated myself that I'd finally located a provider with "correct prices" like the ones I paid in May in Rio de Janeiro (a city of similar size and income levels as Moscow).

After the deal was stitched Kristina predictably told me to phone her and confirm once I'd arrived to my hotel. Well, I told her, my Russian is almost non-existent, but I'll send you an email as soon as I'm there. This flustered her enormously: "You don't speak Russian??? But... but..." I told her to calm down "I do speak about 100 words of Russian, I just don't feel confident phoning people". She rambled on, "Er... maybe you could send me a photo? Fotki please???" I thought this silly, but hey, maybe she thought I was just some internet time waster? I sent her a recent holiday snap of myself. Since then, total silence.

For a day I was flummoxed. We had the deal stitched up, with price, service, time and meeting place. Why was my Russian speaking abilities a problem? Also, it's not like the photo I sent her would have made her bolt: I'm a youngish, sprighty and quite muscular and athletic 40+ guy. So why???

Then I put on my Russian hat. The deal that I thought I had negotiated would have rested in itself. Kristria would simply have had to come to my hotel room, take the money, undress, and get on with it. However, if she was NOT willing to do those things. If she was in on a bait-and-switch routine according to which I would have to pay at least 2X for basic services then it all makes sense. In that case, not being able to communicate with me for a secondary negotiation would blow the scheme out of the water. Then comes the back-up plan: at least she can pocket my 3000 rubles and do a bunk? But... what kind of a person am I? My photo shows her that, far from being a geek or a dear old man, I'm a physical person who could get nasty if crossed. Since then, silence.

Well, there are some very savvy operators out there on the Russian znakomstva sites. And, as the Russians have it, "The Woolf from Tambov is Their Mate!" :)

El Kapitan

10-14-08, 19:38

Nice call Jake.

s1ut factor:
Office girls>elitny Muscovites

Go for it. And sometimes they even have their own car.

And guess what, Skank has a good Jedi Mind Trick ploy for that.

Lena: "Doc, I can't drink tonight. I have a car."

Doc: "Lenochka, it's cold outside. You should have a vodka. We'll drink to a holiday together in a warm place.*"

Lena: "But Doc, I am scared of militia. They are everywhere. I can't afford to lose my licence."

Doc: "You're right Lena, you'd better stay at my place tonight. It's very close and warm there and you can drive to work in the morning. I'll be nice and sleep on the couch and not try to fuck you, or even stick a finger in you. Promise.**"

* a fucking lie!
** another fucking lie!

Doc,

I am always glad to hear you are using your powers for evil instead of good.

El Kapitan

10-14-08, 19:40

ek,

keep this one in the back of your mind. down on novy arbat (near arbatskaya metro) is a bar / restaurant called zhiguli (like the car) . it's known for being a brezhnev era bar. very plain with concrete floors and wooden benches - proletarian is the look they were going for i think.

if you come in the door, the bar is to the right and the restaurant is to the left. they normally have a live band during the week after 9:00 pm that play a wide variety of dance music. early in the week, (tues, wed) it seems to be a popular place for office colleagues to go for a happy hour after work. eat some food, drink some beer (and maybe a little vodka) and do some dancing.

i was there in june on a tuesday night with a date and saw a table with about 12 beautiful girls and only 3 rather dopey looking guys. by 10 pm, the girls were trashed and hitting on all of the guys in the restaurant to come and dance with them. when my date went to use the ladies room, one of the girls literally dragged my up onto the dance floor during a slow dance and proceeded to grind her crotch into my leg. of course, when my date came back, i just about had to break up a cat fight, but i digress.

this may have been an isolated incident but in talking with expat friends who live in moscow, they often make a swing past zhiguli just to see what's available. hey - it's worth a peek. i don't think an elitny muscovite girl would be caught dead in the place, but who fucking cares? it seems to be a popular spot with the office girls so i think it's one to keep handy.

good luck,

jake

thanks!

i second someone else's vote for a cute "normal" girl always trumps an elitny muscovite.

Doctor_Skank

10-14-08, 19:57

we went to simple pleasures restaurant, couple of salads and beers and.... 4,500 rubles (121 euro)....It was enough to just blink an eyes and they came to me one after one, they asked 12.000 rubles (320 euro) One came to me and said, 10.000 rubles (270 euro), still too much. Later another one came and said to me 5.000 rubles ( 135 euro) he wanted only 1500 rubles ( 40 euro) for almost 1 hour of driving, 160cm for 50kg for 8.000 rubles ( 215 euro) so just 1.100 rubles (30 euro).....I could not wait to go to Ufa...Welcome to Moscow Luka! I admire your spirit and drive... I think I would have died after the suitcase/search for hotel bit.. :) Looking forward to your Ufa reports!

Doctor_Skank

10-14-08, 20:00

Then I put on my Russian hat. The deal that I thought I had negotiated would have rested in itself. Kristria would simply have had to come to my hotel room, take the money, undress, and get on with it. However, if she was NOT willing to do those things. If she was in on a bait-and-switch routine according to which I would have to pay at least 2X for basic services then it all makes sense. In that case, not being able to communicate with me for a secondary negotiation would blow the scheme out of the water. Then comes the back-up plan: at least she can pocket my 3000 rubles and do a bunk? But... what kind of a person am I? My photo shows her that, far from being a geek or a dear old man, I'm a physical person who could get nasty if crossed. Since then, silence.

Well, there are some very savvy operators out there on the Russian znakomstva sites. And, as the Russians have it, "The Woolf from Tambov is Their Mate!" :)I think you are reading too much into it. I think she just got scared when she realized you weren't who she thought you were and got skittish.

It isn't abnormal for girls to go totally silent anyway. Maybe she found a better john for the night. Or got her period. Could also be her boyfriend read her email and beat the shit out of her. Who knows.

Priamos

10-14-08, 20:09

I think you are reading too much into it. I think she just got scared when she realized you weren't who she thought you were and got skittish.

It isn't abnormal for girls to go totally silent anyway. Maybe she found a better john for the night. Or got her period. Could also be her boyfriend read her email and beat the shit out of her. Who knows.

Yeah, I suppose it could be true. Mind you, she knew I was a foreigner and a total newcomer to the Moscow scene, so the "skittish" part doesn't apply. But any one of your other points of course do. I'd like to have said that "in my part of the world these things work much better" but... well, it's easier to negotiate a full deal online in West Europe. - And that's a fact. But... whether or not the girl is going to ultimately honour the terms of that deal...? O Tempora, O Mores! :)

Stravinsky

10-14-08, 21:28

Priamos,

Are you some sort of university professor? Maybe a nuclear physicist? Or a rocket scientist? I'm sorry, please don't take this the wrong way, but my head is spinning trying to understand the logic of your approach. I think I finally understand why you are having so much difficulty: you think too much. It's always very dangerous to over-analyze Russian behaviour. If you try to apply the calm, rational calculating mind of the Nordic race to Russians, you will only drive yourself crazy.

Russians have a unique logic all their own, and they're not telling. You can't understand it intellectually, you simply have to experience it: it's an heuristic process.

To be honest, while reading your report, I assumed that you were actually in Moscow, communicating with this dyevchonka. If I was surprised to discover that you were not in Moscow, imagine how surprised she must have been!

And the idea that you can compare Rio with Moscow simply because they are "cities of similar sizes and income levels" is, I'm sorry to say, simply naive.

There is no way to plan a trip to Russia. Go get yourself a visa, get on a plane and go, already!

Don't worry, we'll all be here, urging you on. ;)

Doctor_Skank

10-14-08, 22:00

It's always very dangerous to over-analyze Russian behaviour. If you try to apply the calm, rational calculating mind of the Nordic race to Russians, you will only drive yourself crazy.

Russians have a unique logic all their own, and they're not telling. You can't understand it intellectually, you simply have to experience it: it's an heuristic process.Words of wisdom, Strav.
And that's a fact. But... whether or not the girl is going to ultimately honour the terms of that deal...? O Tempora, O Mores! :)And another point... don't go into paranoia mode. Of course one should be watchful and inherently cautious. But generally speaking, nobody in Moscow is "out to get you". As Lukasek eloquently stated, in fact the thing about Moscow is NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU.

You're on your own, and even though it can be a grind, ultimately it's a challenge that if met can yield great rewards.

Happy hunting!

Jake993

10-14-08, 22:41

And the idea that you can compare Rio with Moscow simply because they are "cities of similar sizes and income levels" is, I'm sorry to say, simply naive.)
Not to beat a dead horse, but having been in both Rio and Moscow within a two week period, I can categorically confirm that comparing girls from those cities is like comparing potatoes and acerola. I am sure there are things in this world that are more different, but I can't imagine what they might be. Sure they have the same physical attributes, but while the Brasileiras are predictable in their own chaotic sort of way, I have found the moods, emotions (or lack thereof), and decision process of Russian women to be as unpredictable and non-linear as the Moscow weather. Come to think of it, my Ukrainian Babusha was equally as erratic.

Priamos

10-15-08, 06:26

I think I finally understand why you are having so much difficulty: you think too much. It's always very dangerous to over-analyze Russian behaviour. If you try to apply the calm, rational calculating mind of the Nordic race to Russians, you will only drive yourself crazy.

Yeah. The UK Prime Minister Palmerstone went into the same trap prior to the Crimean War. He was convinced that the Czar's propaganda machine had shot itself in the foot: "Going to war to drive the Turks out of the Holy City?? Such Messianic twaddle! For Pete's sake, this is the 19th century!" Some of his Russia advisors DID tell him that he hadn't understood the mind of the Russian Muchik... :)

To be honest, while reading your report, I assumed that you were actually in Moscow, communicating with this dyevchonka. If I was surprised to discover that you were not in Moscow, imagine how surprised she must have been!

Not so. I told her up front that I am currently abroad and coming to Russia next week. The only point I'm making is that it's strange to have a deal stitched up with all information in hand and THEN bolt over a bagatelle like my foreignness AFTER having extracted a photo that would, other things equal, have reassured her that I'm a bone fide client and (wearing expensive clothes) a quite wealthy man. But... maybe foreigners in general just make her freak out and, if she's not exactly a rocket scientist herself, needed 24 hours to connect the dots.

And the idea that you can compare Rio with Moscow simply because they are "cities of similar sizes and income levels" is, I'm sorry to say, simply naive.

Well, being naive and thinking too much is clearly a bad combination. So much effort for so little effect. :)

That said, I'm afraid that what we have here is my being worse than naive - I'm being judgemental! I also compare my experiences at Swiss skiing resorts with my experiences at French skiing resorts. And, as these invariably fall out to Swiss advantage, rub assorted French noses with my conclusions. On the face of it, this is also naive. How can you compare an arch-protestant shop assistant who considers failure a personal affront with a Gallic fatalist whose attitude is "Oh la la, it's not my fault. I only work here"? Logically you cannot. But if one doesn't make this comparison, if one jumps into moral relativism of the kind "well, that's just the way things work here" then one is on that slippery slope toward nihilism. And...

... as even, F.M.Dostoyevskij would tell you, that's never the right place to be. :)

Gentleman Travel

10-15-08, 16:01

That said, I'm afraid that what we have here is my being worse than naive - I'm being judgemental! I also compare my experiences at Swiss skiing resorts with my experiences at French skiing resorts. And, as these invariably fall out to Swiss advantage, rub assorted French noses with my conclusions.
Much more interesting than your musings on Dostoyevski would be hearing whether you have tried luring dyevs to join you on these ski expeditions?
I have been contemplating such a thing for Switzerland this winter.
I am sure it cannot be cheap to fly a girl in from Moscow or Kyiv, but it is hopeless to try to bed local Swiss girls...

Stravinsky

10-15-08, 16:27

Priamos,

It's not the Russkii muzhik you have to watch out for, it's the Russkaya zhyenshina.
then one is on that slippery slope toward nihilism.Yeah, I know exactly how you feel, that's a constant concern in my life as well. God forbid we should start down that slippery slope to nihilism! :)

So tell me, what do you like to do to have fun? You know, between studying the history of the Ottoman empire, re-reading Kant and provoking French ski resort shop clerks?

Stravinsky

10-15-08, 21:43

Priamos,

Europe has no monopoly on elitism, it's a part of human nature, you can find it anywhere: in Denmark, in Russia, even in Texas! Yii-haaa! :D

Well, a normal girl (applying again my strictly subjective standards) would have had the decency to communicate this fact.Well, this is what it all comes down to doesn't it? You're not dealing with normal girls, you're dealing with russian dyeffki. And that, after all, is why we're here, isn't it? Stop trying to figure them out and just enjoy them, like the rest of us. ;)

If you're looking for normal girls, spend your weekends in Germany... bitte. :)

Priamos

10-16-08, 03:04

You're not dealing with normal girls, you're dealing with russian dyeffki. And that, after all, is why we're here, isn't it? Stop trying to figure them out and just enjoy them, like the rest of us. ;)

If you're looking for normal girls, spend your weekends in Germany... bitte. :)

Ah, now we're back to the core of your argument, aren't we? A defence plaidoyer based on the insightful observation that "that's just the way it is".
Well, Stravinsky, answering an earlier question of yours, I WAS offered a teaching chair (in social sciences) at a university in my younger days. I refused because I wanted to earn some money instead. - And a good thing that I did; I should have had to give you an E- for the quality of your sociological analysis: "Moscow cannot be compared with other cities of similar size, income and demographic characteristics." Well why not? "Because... uhm... Russia is different!"

Eh...? :)

Pizdyets

10-16-08, 03:47

I am sure it cannot be cheap to fly a girl in from Moscow or Kyiv, but it is hopeless to try to bed local Swiss girls...

Really? I've met a ton of girls (online and in person) who hint that they'll give it up immediately if I take them on vacation. Of course you need to negotiate testing the goods in advance, but this shouldn't cost you more than airfare, visa and a modicum of spending money.

Pizdyets

10-16-08, 03:56

CitySpace Bar on top floor of SwissOtel Kransye Holmy. Go at dusk and order a single drink.... anything else is too expensive. But the view is awesome. That bar has gotten me laid many times... but also cost me a small fortune. BTW... it's a BRING a date place. It would be pretty awkward trying to pick someone up there... single girls don't go there because it's too expensive. BTW, did I mention it's expensive?

Put Kalina Bar and Red Bar in the same bucket as CitySpace. Cocktail prices are directly proportional to elevation, without a doubt (which is probably why I prefer places in the podval). But yeah, laying out that kinda dough you need to seriously weigh whether or not it will get you laid. My last trip to Kalina Bar impressed the hell out of my date, but left me with a bed as empty as my wallet.

Stravinsky

10-16-08, 05:28

Priamos,

E minus ??? Is that, like, between a D-sharp and an E-flat?

My conclusions about Russia and Russians are based on the empirical evidence: mainly my own, but also that of many other people I have known over the years and some that I have read about.

Lighten up, my defence de fumer is simply to say that it is difficult to understand anything completely by observing it from a distance. Don't take my word for it, go there and see for yourself. I'm sure you will agree.

If you do, can I have a chance to re-take that test? You know... if I fail this class, my whole life will be ruined! :(

всего доброго

Doctor_Skank

10-16-08, 06:33

"Moscow cannot be compared with other cities of similar size, income and demographic characteristics." Well why not? "Because... uhm... Russia is different!"

Eh...? :)Guess what? Strav's right. And not only is Russia different, Moscow is different from Russia. I wouldn't trade it for any other city in the world.

Let me guess though, Brazil is different than every where else to.. or do I know Brazil because I saw some things about it on TV?

Priamos

10-16-08, 07:39

E minus ??? Is that, like, between a D-sharp and an E-flat?

My conclusions about Russia and Russians are based on the empirical evidence: mainly my own, but also that of many other people I have known over the years and some that I have read about.

Lighten up, my defence de fumer is simply to say that it is difficult to understand anything completely by observing it from a distance. Don't take my word for it, go there and see for yourself.

Stravinsky, your response is music to my ears (so to speak). :)

Anyway, you and the Doctor seem to assume that I've never been to Russia? That's wrong: I've visited twice, but admittedly to St.Petersburg both times rather than Moscow. Skank's point about Moscow being a state in the state is relevant here - that's also what I've (!) heard - and anyway I have relatives in Piter who nannied me incredibly so it's not the same thing.

But, more to the point: my wife is Russian. Mais oui! We didn't meet in Russia, but she still has the passport. And she, I have to admit, rather agrees with you. She keeps telling me "Priam, your western Liberal do-something-good-for-the-world attitude will come across to Russians as weak and naive. They'll eat you for breakfast." And...

...like you she keeps telling me to go and see for myself. Well, next week I will! :)

Gentleman Travel

10-16-08, 15:03

Really? I've met a ton of girls (online and in person) who hint that they'll give it up immediately if I take them on vacation. Of course you need to negotiate testing the goods in advance, but this shouldn't cost you more than airfare, visa and a modicum of spending money.
Are you saying normal Swiss girls will put out for a ski vacation?
Or are we both talking about importing Russian girls?
I find it hard enough to make inroads with Russian girls already in Europe,
to hit up European girls (I am 50) seems as hopeless as back home (NA).
And the ISG forums for most European cities are all about P4P, not freebies.
So if you have a formula for success, please share...

Member #2096

10-17-08, 08:25

Hi,

I am going to Zelenograd next Monday for 6 weeks. I heard it is an absolute shithole, nothing to do, no restaurants, no bars, no girls.

Is there anything to do in Zelenograd. According to the customer you can take a train to Moscow but then you need to take a bus from the hotel to the train station, take a train to Moscow and then in Moscow take another bus or Metro. I think impossible if you do not speak eany Russian and can also not read it.

Are there any cheap hotels in Moscow. How about Cosmos. My company normally books sovietzky which is about 200 euro but the hotel in Zelenograd is only 100 euro.

I guess it will be the most boring 6 weeks of my life, only seeing the factory and the hotel and nowhere to eat and drink except in the hotel.

Is it easy to drive in Moscow. If I take a rental car is it then easy to find your way.

Tiffany

Strike 69

10-19-08, 13:46

AColonizer

10-19-08, 14:15

Hi!

Moscow seems to be a real paradise to hire prostitutes. I found a lot of prostitutes' sites, maybe too many

My first query is about pictures: most pictures seem fake, don't they? How can we book the girl whom we want (blonde, brunette, clear eyes, dark eyes, small, tall, slim, fat, etc.)?

Doctor_Skank

10-19-08, 14:25

Guys besides Odnoklassniki.ru there is another social Russian website like facebook or hi5??. A lady friend of mine told me that she has profile in such site but I forget the name. Does anyone knows it?Maybe www.vkontakte.ru

Generally vkontakte is mostly used by people from St.Petersburg and the rest uses Odnoklassniki. However vkontakte is gaining popularity.

Strike 69

10-19-08, 15:37

Maybe www.vkontakte.ru

Generally vkontakte is mostly used by people from St.Petersburg and the rest uses Odnoklassniki. However vkontakte is gaining popularity.

Thanks Doctor I've found her profile you were right

Stravinsky

10-19-08, 16:21

I guess it will be the most boring 6 weeks of my life, only seeing the factory and the hotel and nowhere to eat and drink except in the hotel.2096,

I'm not sure it's a good idea to try and drive into Moscow. If you speak no Russian and the ГАИ flag you over for a bribe, it could be a tense moment. Plus, the traffic is a nightmare and if you don't know where you are going, you will be lost.

There is a train from Zelenograd that will take you into Moscow, where you can transfer to a Metro station. If you plan your trip, no need to read Russian, just get off at the 8th stop (or 9th or 10th). The real problem will be that the public transit shuts down at 01:00, so you would be stuck in Moscow overnight. Unless you could find a taxist to take you back out to Zelenograd. Highly unlikely.

It's possible that you could find someone with a car in Z who would be willing to drive you into the city and back for a reasonable price. That's your most likely option.

If you will not be working on the weekend, then you could take the train into Moscow and take a hotel room for a night or two before returning to Zelenograd.

I know it's tough, being so close and yet so far.

Raspberry

10-20-08, 16:39

I have been an avid reader of ISG for a couple of years by now, being a pretty frequent traveller to former USSR countries, and I enjoyed the valuable advices of many of you, especially Resident and Senior Members.

I am not so fool to rank myself as a cross between Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise but I have to say I never found it hard to establish a "contact" with a girl in places like shopping centers, banks, streets, ending with some date the same evening without showing a glittering roll of 500 Euros notes packed in my pocket.

As a matter of fact, I succeeded in establishing a pretty highly rewarding small network of gf in early 20s (I am 38) around Eastern Europe, in towns where my business frequently drives me, let's say once per 1-1,5 months.

I am used to bring some presents to them (nothing spectacular indeed..), I am deeply convinced most of them just need something that most (not all) local guys can't even imagine: attention.

Of course the game has to be played differently in places where it happens to me to go much more rarely, like Moscow.

It's no use for me to spend time and energy to build some sort of "long term gf relation" in vkontakte, omen or similar dating sites, but since Slavonic DNA has a such strong influence on me (causing Massive Temporary Blood Displacement..) I am asking for some suggestions.

As suggested by previous posts I surfed sites like intimcity, dosug…then I explored rusdosug.com more carefully, there's a section where english speaking girls are highlighted. One of my biggest drawbacks is that I speak only few dozens of words in Russian (I know I should improve….).

Since I am going to Big M in approx 2 weeks, I sent few emails to some of them making outcall (surely not the ones pictured lying on a sports car or seeming just out of a Penthouse page, there are plenty of more "natural" yet gorgeous girls in the pond to fish) and I got replies to 5 out of 10 messages so far.

Judging upon your past experience, which is the reliability of these email correspondence, i.e. the chance that the portrayed (and not photoshopped..) girl will really knock at my door?

One more question about salons. Do you rank Fantasy and Charmel as possible rewarding, safe spots even for a lone foreigner barely speaking few words in Russian (I read some nice reports about such places) or would you suggest to stick to outcalls?

Pizdyets

10-21-08, 05:56

Are you saying normal Swiss girls will put out for a ski vacation?
Or are we both talking about importing Russian girls?
I find it hard enough to make inroads with Russian girls already in Europe,
to hit up European girls (I am 50) seems as hopeless as back home (NA).
And the ISG forums for most European cities are all about P4P, not freebies.
So if you have a formula for success, please share...

Hey GT,

Actually, I don't recall fucking a Swiss girl before. French - yes. German? Check. Spanish? Yup - more than once. Italian? Ticked that box. But never a Swiss Miss... Another thing to put on my Bucket List.

I was talking about meeting a Russian girl in Russia and inviting her to vacation with you in der Schweiz. As for tips hitting up Russian girls, there are tons on them on the forum. I prefer the face-to-face approach (bars, cafes, etc), but most of the guys here hook up online via mamba, brides.ru, etc...

Udachi...

Pizdyets

10-21-08, 06:24

One more question about salons. Do you rank Fantasy and Charmel as possible rewarding, safe spots even for a lone foreigner barely speaking few words in Russian (I read some nice reports about such places) or would you suggest to stick to outcalls?

Malina,

I think it's about the safest possible place to get laid in Moscow. Pick a reliable girl (like Tanya from Fantasy's or Rimma from Charmel) and she will fuck the shit out of you - guaranteed. You can outcall them too, but it's expensive (3 hours min). If you're intimidated with your limited Russian, have a friend or colleague set up the meeting for you.

Enjoy!

Pizdyets

10-21-08, 06:32

I'm not sure it's a good idea to try and drive into Moscow. If you speak no Russian and the ГАИ flag you over for a bribe, it could be a tense moment. Plus, the traffic is a nightmare and if you don't know where you are going, you will be lost.

True - the only thing you want to rent in Moscow is lodging and pussy. Very few signs are in English, so unless you have a GPS (and/or read Russian), you're fucked.

Only thing I don't agree with Strav on is on avoiding bribes to GAI. My personal experience is the less Russian you speak - the better. But then again, his Russian is better than mine...

Jake993

10-21-08, 14:14

Malina,

I think it's about the safest possible place to get laid in Moscow. Pick a reliable girl (like Tanya from Fantasy's or Rimma from Charmel) and she will fuck the shit out of you - guaranteed. You can outcall them too, but it's expensive (3 hours min). If you're intimidated with your limited Russian, have a friend or colleague set up the meeting for you.

Enjoy!

Framboesa,
I second Pizdyet's remarks about Charm'el and Fantasys. Low risk, high quality, moderate price though.

Regarding the girls on Rusdosug and Intimcity, the one or two I have actually met did fall short of the photos, but not by much. It's a great way to "stack the deck" in advance so that you are not caught floundering and wasting time when you arrive. I have found that their command of English is all over the map however. Some are more confident over a keyboard but are shy in their spoken English and vice versa. No big deal though.

Having said all that, there is no substitute for the "interview" as you well know. the first Russian girl I communicated with over the Internet (with the intention of a sexual encounter) was disappointing because there was no "sexual chemistry" between us. Gorgeous girl but there was no "spark". Not her fault, but it's not something you can judge over cyberspace. However, the second was completely the opposite so there you are - it's still a gamble. Again, nothing you don't already know but permit me to reinforce it.

The real "GRAB BAG" for value are the "Pink-border-mamba" girls who run working apartments. If you treat it like a "mystery date", it can be fantastic value and a wonderful adventure. It can also be a so-so screw for 2500 rubles. But you need to be comfortable navigating the Moscow metro and be comfortable communicating in Russian, otherwise it was be a real wild goose chase.

Good luck,

Jake

Stravinsky

10-21-08, 16:28

Only thing I don't agree with Strav on is on avoiding bribes to GAI. My personal experience is the less Russian you speak - the better. But then again, his Russian is better than mine...Pizdyets,
I never drove in Moscow, but I have been riding in cars many times when the driver was flagged over. There never seems to be any sense as to why, they are just as likely to flag down a Lada as a Beemer. I have some friends who keep cash stashed inside the folder with their documenti, for the inevitable shake-down.

You're right, when confronted with law enforcement of any kind, it's best to play the part of the dumb American/tourist. It's a stereotype of which they have already persauaded themselves. Although, one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do was to pretend that I didn't speak Russian.

But you spend much more time there than I am able to, so I think your Russkii dolzhno buit sovershyenii (must be perfect).

Raspberry

10-21-08, 21:26

Pizdyets, Jake, thank you for your valuable set of information, I guess I will give a chance to a salon, Fantasys looks closer to my accomodation (hotel in Belorusskaya area).

As for chemistry, I totally agree with you, Jake, I also like something more than picking a specimen at the flesh market. This can be enough to get "short-term" horny but doesn't leave this special taste in the mouth after you zip up your pants after the show.

I've always succeeded in igniting a sparkle while contacting gilrs in dating sites (not escort sites) in my other, more frequent, destinations (Baltics) but in such places it's definitely easier to find "everyday, next-door" girls with remarkable command of English. On the other hand, such Baltic girls are more distrustful and tend to disregard foreigners as unreliable, so from a certain point of view it's a more difficult environment.

Moscow is more challenging from a language point of view of course, but I am going on "talking" by email with one girl I found in dosug, I feel she can offer more than a couple of holes to fill.

I still have 2, 5 weeks before my trip to Moscow to light the fire with her, I am not in a hurry and I want to try to set up a valuable stage for the performance.

Pizdyets

10-22-08, 16:42

Pizdyets,
I never drove in Moscow, but I have been riding in cars many times when the driver was flagged over. There never seems to be any sense as to why, they are just as likely to flag down a Lada as a Beemer. I have some friends who keep cash stashed inside the folder with their documenti, for the inevitable shake-down.

GAI most definintely has a few profiles for pulling people over, all geared towards maximizing their bribes:
- trucks of any sort (these guys have more document requirements than cars, and thus more likely to be able to extract a bribe)
- clean, high-end cars without government (OOO, EKX, MP, etc) plates (probably have docs in order, but the potential payoff is higher than a Zhiguli)
- "chyornie" (darker skinned non-Slavics) of any sort (just like on foot, these guys are 20x more likely to be pulled over on the street too)
- just about anyone from 2am to 8am on a Saturday or Sunday morning (likely to have had something to drink, no matter who they are, or what they're driving)

You're right, when confronted with law enforcement of any kind, it's best to play the part of the dumb American/tourist. It's a stereotype of which they have already persauaded themselves. Although, one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do was to pretend that I didn't speak Russian.

это - искусство. :)

But you spend much more time there than I am able to, so I think your Russkii dolzhno buit sovershyenii (must be perfect).

Should be perfect, but in actuality a far cry from it! What can I say... it's a difficult language!

Blaked

10-23-08, 08:51

GAI most definintely has a few profiles for pulling people over, all geared towards maximizing their bribes:
- trucks of any sort (these guys have more document requirements than cars, and thus more likely to be able to extract a bribe)
- clean, high-end cars without government (OOO, EKX, MP, etc) plates (probably have docs in order, but the potential payoff is higher than a Zhiguli)
- "chyornie" (darker skinned non-Slavics) of any sort (just like on foot, these guys are 20x more likely to be pulled over on the street too)
- just about anyone from 2am to 8am on a Saturday or Sunday morning (likely to have had something to drink, no matter who they are, or what they're driving)

That's basically what I was thinking of when I decided to buy a Nissan Almera Classic. Almeras are like Focuses here - every apartment building has a few of them. In retrospect I might have gone for a Lancer - the engine is smaller but the girls think it's a sportscar because of the design. :)

Blaked

10-23-08, 08:52

Maybe www.vkontakte.ru

Generally vkontakte is mostly used by people from St.Petersburg and the rest uses Odnoklassniki. However vkontakte is gaining popularity.

There's also one that mail.ru has. Mail.ru is good because you can go to 'moy mir' and also to the romance section, which always features a wide variety of P4P. You just text the girls in pink boxes and they'll respond with prices.

Doctor_Skank

10-23-08, 15:30

There's also one that mail.ru has. Mail.ru is good because you can go to 'moy mir' and also to the romance section, which always features a wide variety of P4P. You just text the girls in pink boxes and they'll respond with prices.Will check it out, even though the last thing I need is another social networking site to maintain.. :)

Eros74

10-24-08, 16:59

I am looking a trustable agency renting flat in Moscow for foreigners for 4-5 days, I prefer the owner should be foreigner,cause I already had troubles renting flat from russians.....

And possibile not at 300 euro per day.....

Thanks.....

Jake993

10-24-08, 17:18

Guido88

10-24-08, 20:19

Call Rick at +7-495-741-7606
American guy married to Russian woman. Owns several apartments.

Lukasek already knows Rick who rented him a shitty apartment back in 2004.

Maybe you could call Rick trustworthy? Best skill is he speaks English, but service is lacking in several areas. Flaky, slow to respond to inquiries with a staff that may rip you off given the opportunity as happened last time I stayed with him.

Another option is http://www.moscow-comfort.com/ although it is Russian run.

Run By Ca Travs' former assistant Sveta who is an absolute stunner might be a better option.

Just a thought

Guido88

Stravinsky

10-24-08, 20:38

Doctor_Skank

10-25-08, 14:41

Britisher

10-25-08, 14:49

What days? If same time as I'm there we can split costs... :)Sirs,

May I know the cost of renting for 1 month, fully furnished, 1 BR apartment, fully furnished with internet connection/tv/ gym...in a average locality close to metro station.

What will be the cost per month?? I will like to stay in moscow for 2-3 months.

Also, how about learning Russian language in a language school. Is it too expensive??

Guido88

10-26-08, 02:15

Rick is a good guy, I've never had any problems with renting from him.

It is true that he does leave a lot to be desired in terms of communication, but somehow, everything seems to work out in the end. Sort of like life in Russia in general. I think maybe he's been doing business in Russia for so long that he just assumes that is the standard.

I've never been able to call him directly, best way to contact him is by email: rick@moscow-star.com. That usually does the trick.

Strav

We are in agreement that Rick is a good guy.

Where I have concerns is how he does business along with the trustworthiness of employees.

Compare how Oksana in Piter runs her Apt Biz or Moscow Star when CT had it and the difference is night and day. Rick markets USA standards on both websites; he might want to fulfill that agenda.

I think the best explanation is that Rick can be flaky and less than organized. Or perhaps he is too busy banging the RU Devs. IMHO

Guido88

Mattador

10-27-08, 00:01

Has anyone been to the Club-Pegas on Bratislavskaya ?
http://club-pegas.ru/

Thanks

Stravinsky

10-27-08, 14:43

Mattador,

Yes, in August. RTFF

Tone

10-27-08, 19:06

Guys,

On the last 4 or 5 times i have been in Moscow i have used a company called Pullford and they have been very helpful and not overly expensive.

The apartments are basic but the ones i have been in have all been very well located and reasonably priced as compared to hotels.

http://www.pulford.com/

Tony

Strav

We are in agreement that Rick is a good guy.

Where I have concerns is how he does business along with the trustworthiness of employees.

Compare how Oksana in Piter runs her Apt Biz or Moscow Star when CT had it and the difference is night and day. Rick markets USA standards on both websites; he might want to fulfill that agenda.

I think the best explanation is that Rick can be flaky and less than organized. Or perhaps he is too busy banging the RU Devs. IMHO

Guido88

Tone

10-27-08, 19:09

I forgot to mention I have used Rick on a couple of occasions too and the only reason I had to find an alternative was the lack or any replies to emails. It seems I am not alone in finding this.

I even remember coming across one of the apartments I used in a couple of pics posted here which brought a smile.

Tony

Boofer

10-28-08, 13:40

had a short to moscow (just three days). First night met with a girl that i got off of Omen.ru and it went great. Dinner in Pushkin Cafe and then walk to hotel to Shag.... not the prettiest but amazing body and tight holes.....

2nd night, got a little delayed in a business meeting and afterwords, tried to find Safari lounge to no avail. ended in Oh la la strip club; loads of sharks and shit services. Ended up with a bbbj in a booth behind the strip floor for a 100 euros. was quite filthy though :-)

at 5 a.m went to Casino Metelitsa; and it was a ghost town..... are there any hotties there earlier???

third night, the reliable Night flight did the job and went home with a cute ukrainian who stayed the night for $400.

all the best, still love moscow.

Riggo

10-29-08, 00:18

I have used Moscow Rick and I will never use him again. His "renovated" apartments were in bad condition. When I realized that there were no towels in the apartment, I called him. He told me that he was at McDonalds with his daughter and he would call me later. He never did. When I asked him for a place to buy a domestic airline ticket, he gave me the name and number of the agency and the name of the woman to talk to. "Tell her Ricky told you to call," he said. I did this, and the woman said she never heard of him before. He either never returned my calls or called me back not very promptly. And some of the prices that he quoted me for services were higher than were on his website. His excuse was that he was not the person who updated the website. I would NEVER use him again.

Riggo

Priamos

10-29-08, 20:02

Just back from the city of the czars and I have to agree with the fellow mongers who warned me that there's not a lot to do for foreigners who don't speak Russian. In the end I just gave it a miss.

I arrived to Moscow armed with 9 phone numbers from rusdosug of providers who - according to this site - are certified English speakers. I phoned all of them early on Saturday evening. Four of the ladies answered their phones, one of whom told me "sure honey, the prices start at 15,000 roubles for two hours" (her website said 200 dollars). I told her to go boil her head, obviously. I don't negotiate with terrorists... :) The three others told me "Sto? Nie, nie!! I... no... speak Englees". Ah well, bad luck. But... I have to confess I DO find it bloody annoying to be bamboozled by dishonest people such as those who are behind rusdosug.

Following advice by Jake I finally went to Night Flight. (OK, I also went to Hot Dog's - but only to watch Liverpool-Chelsea and receive an earful from the resident neo-n**i girl, Milla, who happened to be sitting next to me.) I guess with time I shall get used to pay prices topping 300 euros for a short time in my hotel, but... can someone PLEASE tell me if I am going crazy??? It looked to me as if almost half the "girls" at NF were clapped-out old nags who've had cosmetic surgery and botox injections. Well... some might find that attractive, but not I. :(

Stravinsky

10-29-08, 23:55

P.

молодец! (jolly good fellow)

You made it to Moskva. Sorry to hear your trip was not a success. I agree with you about Night Flight in general, although it is possible to find a cutie in there once in a while.

Take heart, the general consensus is that prices should be coming down. In the meantime, you can brush up on your Russian.

Priamos

10-30-08, 06:38

Stravinsky,

On the Russian front I'm doing better than you think! Walking back from NF I came across a square, featuring a big statue of a short man with sideburns standing in front of a theatre building. I continued, and five minutes later my sleeve was pulled by an anxious (it was 1 am) young Russian tourist couple who wanted to know if I please, please know the way to the Pushkinskaya? I nodded reassuringly and pointed back in the direction I'd come from: "Da, da... tam!" So, you see? After a day in Moscow I was already giving the locals directions... in Russian. :)

As for the rest, well, I agree that prices will come down. The Moscow economy is a "one trick pony" which has been feeding off the resource price boom. Now the party is over. Maybe I should study some Russian? In the meantime I'm bound for Berlin next week. The prices are lower, and I speak the lingo. :)

Pizdyets

10-30-08, 09:08

As for the rest, well, I agree that prices will come down. The Moscow economy is a "one trick pony" which has been feeding off the resource price boom. Now the party is over.

I wouldn't bet on a sharp correction. Mind you that price of oil has dropped significantly from its high, but still trading at around the level it was back in mid-2007. And p4p wasn't exactly cheap in Moscow "way back then" either. We can all still hope though... :)

So, Priamos, why didn't you try out a salon? No Russian speaking wingman available, I guess?

As for learning Russian, I can speak from experience and guarantee that it will help you a) score more with freebies b) negotiate better with pros and c) have more fun when you're doing the deed. And those skills will help you in any economy.

Zacchio

10-30-08, 12:45

had a short to moscow (just three days). First night met with a girl that i got off of Omen.ru and it went great. Dinner in Pushkin Cafe and then walk to hotel to Shag.... not the prettiest but amazing body and tight holes.....

2nd night, got a little delayed in a business meeting and afterwords, tried to find Safari lounge to no avail. ended in Oh la la strip club; loads of sharks and shit services. Ended up with a bbbj in a booth behind the strip floor for a 100 euros. was quite filthy though :-)

at 5 a.m went to Casino Metelitsa; and it was a ghost town..... are there any hotties there earlier?

third night, the reliable Night flight did the job and went home with a cute ukrainian who stayed the night for $400.

all the best, still love moscow.Nice to hear that.

I'm a little bit scared, but I'll use Omen.ru too : I hope to find a lady (not free of charge, of course) for my next trip to Moscow.

Let me see what will happen!

Any suggestion will be apreciated!

Pizdyets

10-30-08, 18:44

I'm a little bit scared, but I'll use Omen.ru too : I hope to find a lady (not free of charge, of course) for my next trip to Moscow.

Am I the only one who thinks "seed of Satan meets Russkie blyati" when they see Omen.ru? :)

Priamos

10-30-08, 19:32

So, Priamos, why didn't you try out a salon? No Russian speaking wingman available, I guess?

C'est que... I'm not THAT much of a non-Russian speaker: For instance, on several occasions I've been communicating with Russian (erm... OK, Ukrainian and Kyrgyz) women in the hostess bars of Istanbul relying on my 100+ words of pidgin Russian. All I say is, my Russian is not good enough for phone conversations, etc. As for the salons, it's not mainly about language. I simply don't like those places. This is also how I live my everyday life in Paris - which is, frankly, depressing since Pres. Sarkozy has discontinued almost any other kind of mongering service.

I DID, however, try my luck in a striptease bar - the Platinum. The place had pretty girls, a delightfully decadent ambiance that one rarely finds in Western Europe these days, and more-than-usually enticing lap dances. - To say nothing of the fact that it was close to my hotel. But, alas, close but no cigar. :)

As for learning Russian, I can speak from experience and guarantee that it will help you a) score more with freebies b) negotiate better with pros and c) have more fun when you're doing the deed. And those skills will help you in any economy.

True, perfectly true. Though the interesting thing is what happens when you try to speak to the locals in a foreign language that they don't understand. In such diverse places as Stockholm, Tokyo and Zurich people will look exceedingly embarassed because they feel they should be able to speak foreign languages. In Moscow many people (or, this is my impression) "throw you over their right shoulder" as a non-Russian and a nuisance.

Stravinsky

10-30-08, 19:58

Am I the only one who thinks "seed of Satan meets Russkie blyati" when they see Omen.ru? :)Hmm...
It's not that bad! It's true Omen is not like mail/mamba.ru, chock full of hotties, willing to toss out prices and phone numbers at the slighest provocation. But, I sort of like that. It's a little more relaxed, the girls are a little more normal, you can actually engage them in a conversation. It just takes a little more time, a little more patience, and patience is, after all, a virtue. :)

And they are definately not all blyati, some of them are real cuties. Plus, there are a couple hundred working girls who advertise there, in the НЮ (nude) section, and plenty more who will respond if you advertise yourself as a sponsor.

AColonizer

11-08-08, 14:35

We know most P4P girls in www.moslove.com are "salons" or "agencies". On my agreements by Moslove, it seems they provide good services at good prices. I haven't verified them in person yet.

But why do you mistrust girls from "salons" and "agencies" in Moscow?

AColonizer

11-09-08, 15:28

I am interested in deepthroat swallow blowjobs (better if face fucking) and I have collected hundreds of affirmative replies from prostitutes (individuals and agencies) about that.

In your opinions and experiences:

Are deepthroat swallow blowjobs always provided when previously agreed???

Is 2500/3000/3500 rubles a real price for real hard sex session of an hour???

Strike 69

11-10-08, 08:54

Guys does anyone knows if LIGA it is a dance academy or something like that? I saw some pictures of very hot women dancing in a night club and in dancing classes with very sexy mini micro skirt (you can see every and each part of their feminity) and they t-shirts said were black and say something like "LIGA".

By the way how can I send SMS messages for example to Mamba and Odnoklassniki if I am outside Russia?

Pizdyets

11-10-08, 10:49

By the way how can I send SMS messages for example to Mamba and Odnoklassniki if I am outside Russia?

http://www.skype.com/help/guides/sms.html

You'll have to provide your personal mobile phone # for replies. Not sure if that'll work for you or not, but might be worth a try.

Doctor_Skank

11-10-08, 12:00

Guys does anyone knows if LIGA it is a dance academy or something like that? I saw some pictures of very hot women dancing in a night club and in dancing classes with very sexy mini micro skirt (you can see every and each part of their feminity) and they t-shirts said were black and say something like "LIGA". Link?

You can send SMSs to Russia with your normal phone.... but AFAIK can only "boost" with a Russian phone/sim card.

Strike 69

11-10-08, 14:28

Link?

You can send SMSs to Russia with your normal phone.... but AFAIK can only "boost" with a Russian phone/sim card.

I talk with my local cell phone company and sadly they told me that I can only send SMS messages to certain companies in Russia (the ones with they have an agreement) I wanted to send SMS in odnoklassniki to "boost" like you said and unfortunately some of my ladies friends uses Megafon as a cell phone operator which does not have an agreement with my local cell phone company so I cannot send SMS messages to them I can only call them in a normal cell phone call.

I will try Skype to send some SMS messages to Mamba and see how it works. Next time I'm in Russia (in less than 1 month) I will buy a local cell phone.

By the way in odnoklassniki.ru I saw with some of my lady friends that I cannot get jealous of thier legions of male admirers with whom they exchange from lovely messages to explicit sexual ones becacause they do not like a jelous guy but if I do the same with other Russian girls in the site they (my female friends) get instantly mad. It seems jealous works in your favor when they (RW) are the ones who have them otherwise they will be against you.

By the way before going to Penza I will be in Moscow for some days, can you please recommend me a couple of young pretty blondinki there? preferently tall or with big tits, thanks in advance.

Doctor_Skank

11-10-08, 15:44

I wanted to send SMS in odnoklassniki to "boost" like you said and unfortunately some of my ladies friends uses Megafon as a cell phone operator which does not have an agreement with my local cell phone company so I cannot send SMS messages to them I can only call them in a normal cell phone call.

I will try Skype to send some SMS messages to Mamba and see how it works. Next time I'm in Russia (in less than 1 month) I will buy a local cell phone.

By the way in odnoklassniki.ru I saw with some of my lady friends that I cannot get jealous of thier legions of male admirers with whom they exchange from lovely messages to explicit sexual ones becacause they do not like a jelous guy but if I do the same with other Russian girls in the site they (my female friends) get instantly mad. It seems jealous works in your favor when they (RW) are the ones who have them otherwise they will be against you.

By the way before going to Penza I will be in Moscow for some days, can you please recommend me a couple of young pretty blondinki there? preferently tall or with big tits, thanks in advance.What kind of "boosting" are you talking about on odnoklassniki? I never noticed that feature... I've only seen it on mamba.

And no... you shouldn't get jealous of girl's network of friends. There'S no point. Actually, I rarely even look at it. The only thing I observe is how they reply or behave with such contacts. In theory it doesn't matter with those girls you are only interested in having sex with one or two times, but if she is an investment project you might want to make sure you are the one benefitting from your investment.

As far as jealousy goes, all Russian girls WANT you to be jealous, they just don't want you to show it in childish ways if you know what I mean. It's admittedly a trap and a bit of a stumbling block if one isn't careful. Best counter-action? Make THEM jealous.

As for recommendations of big-titted blondes in Moscow, if you are refering to pros I don't have any contacts, regrettably. I don't keep contacts (generally) because I only fuck pros once. Moreover, I pretty much don't screw pros in Moscow at all anymore due to the price. It's a freebie market for me.

Strike 69

11-10-08, 16:52

Sorry Doc my mistake I mean the 5 + rate for photos in Odnoklassniki not in Mamba. You need to send a SMS message in order to give that rate to the pictures.

Solntsa Yada

11-12-08, 23:23

Recently I was Hosting a Business Traveller, Who'd barely seen Moscow, but wanted to see the sights, have delights and not pay thrice the norm, but instead pay norm, plus my fee to make sure its norm.

I Just wanted to add some key information to here that seemed appropriate.

Firstly, Hot Dogs, prior to 10. 30 seems actually like a real bar, as I'd personally never been before 11. 30, I had no idea. And was able to hook up with a few cute girls, probably just showing off.

Next we went onwards to Oh La La, . My Guest was Overtly surprised as we walked in, pre-midnight, and encountered 30+ ready and eager girls, who all jumped up for our arrival. Ouch! I tell you what that was worth the 300 rubs they stiffed us on the entrance fee.

Take note: They DO NOT HAVE CHANGE. And what ever you 'over pay' will be pocketed.

When talking to a nice half azerbajini girl, she told me the prices for dancing had gone up, yet the prices for other activities dropped.

Last time I was there, it was 100rubs tips, 2000 for a private dance 3 songs, fun is included, based on the girl, and 15, 000 for 30 minutes of sex.

This time, they wanted 300 for the tip, I had to beat them off with a stick to NOT dance on my lap, then 3, 000 for private dance, and 9, 000 for an hours sex.

But, Being a crafty bastard, I know that the girl only gets 30% if she's lucky, I offered her to drop me her number, and come get some at the hotel for 5k, she's up for it, after 6. 00am.

My mate is overloaded, so I get rid of some of the girls, pick out three and let them have the 1k note, to split (they can figure out the change) so they give us a dance, Azerbi won't let me cross the line, but her friend allows, nipple licking, but grabbing and a penetrative little finger, right infront of my guest.

We tell the guards to get our door entrance change as their friggin 'Present' they kept demanding, and we leave within the hour.

Oh, and the Reason the prices were so high? Can you imagine.

"The crisis"

Go study 1:1 economics baby, Sheesh.

Doctor_Skank

11-13-08, 08:18

Sorry Doc my mistake I mean the 5 + rate for photos in Odnoklassniki not in Mamba. You need to send a SMS message in order to give that rate to the pictures.OK... but why would you want to? Waste of money if you ask me.

The crisis man, the CRISIS! :)

Actually I love this crisis, it's going to be my excuse to be even more stingy than before!

Stravinsky

11-13-08, 16:05

Master 2008

11-13-08, 17:25

I met this beautiful and unusual girl

http://www.vipelegantescort.org/gallery.html

Several days ago, she is beautiful and intelligent, with wonderful taste, I got the impression I met my beautiful and sexy business partner, she was perfect in maintaining the talk, bright and with fabulous sense of humor, we met for the evening so notwithstanding I got excited from the first minute I saw her, I decide to prolong pleasure and be a gentleman and waited patiently till the night, was rewarded afterwards. In bed she was perfect, under a beautiful evening dress in which she came into my room there appeared to be perfect long slim legs, sporty body with wonderful smooth a bit sun-tanned skin, perfect waist.

I was captured by her beautiful big almond-shaped eyes, wonderful smile and very pleasant soft Russian accent. She was so female and tender in bed, so playful that I prayed not to got in love with my fairy. She also gave wonderful exciting message and touched me in such a caring manner that I understood that this night we will hardly sleep, She is a really professional well-groomed courtesan, very caring hot and loving sex.

Solntsa Yada

11-13-08, 17:41

Solnishko,

Interesting... 3,000r for one privat tanyets, ouch!

I'm curious, I assume they have VIP Kabinyeta on premises for sex. Do you also have to pay for the Kabinyet, in addition to the 9,000 for the dyev? Or is the Kabinyet included?

Russkii economics makes perfect sense to me. If you need more money, just raise your prices! :)Actually I forgot to check. But since it was 15, 000 all up before, I guessed it was also 9k all up. But considering everything else went up, maybe not.

Never bothered to check after all the hassles we had in the place.

Fijiman

11-13-08, 18:25

I met this beautiful and unusual girl

http://www.vipelegantescort.org/gallery.html

several days ago, she is beautiful and intelligent, with wonderful taste, I got the impression I met my beautiful and sexy business partner, she was perfect in maintaining the talk, bright and with fabulous sense of humor, we met for the evening so notwithstanding I got excited from the first minute I saw her, I decide to prolong pleasure and be a gentleman and waited patiently till the night, was rewarded afterwards. In bed she was perfect, under a beautiful evening dress in which she came into my room there appeared to be perfect long slim legs, sporty body with wonderful smooth a bit sun-tanned skin, perfect waist.

I was captured by her beautiful big almond-shaped eyes, wonderful smile and very pleasant soft Russian accent. She was so female and tender in bed, so playful that I prayed not to got in love with my fairy. She also gave wonderful exciting message and touched me in such a caring manner that I understood that this night we will hardly sleep, She is a really professional well-groomed courtesan, very caring hot and loving sex.Hmmm, it seems you really hit it off.

Almost as if you were staring into a mirror?

Solntsa Yada

11-14-08, 10:33

Hmmm, it seems you really hit it off.

Almost as if you were staring into a mirror?Maybe some of these real professional girls should get some real guys from the site, to have a 'session' and see how good they actually are. We'll give them a REAL report, for the site, which will improve their business if they are any good, and give them a good idea what was wrong, so they can improve their business. If they're not.

And being foriegners. We won't take bribes, nor be colluded into giving false reports.

AColonizer

11-14-08, 11:55

That is an advertisement only! Look at Western-style rates! I saw that girl in several escort sites. She is the typical dreamed Russian girl. I guess instead she is a model in somewhere sites. A good fucking/blowing hour is for 2000/3500rubles, not more! Run away from this advertisement!

I met this beautiful and unusual girl

http://www.vipelegantescort.org/gallery.html

Several days ago, she is beautiful and intelligent, with wonderful taste, I got the impression I met my beautiful and sexy business partner, she was perfect in maintaining the talk, bright and with fabulous sense of humor, we met for the evening so notwithstanding I got excited from the first minute I saw her, I decide to prolong pleasure and be a gentleman and waited patiently till the night, was rewarded afterwards. In bed she was perfect, under a beautiful evening dress in which she came into my room there appeared to be perfect long slim legs, sporty body with wonderful smooth a bit sun-tanned skin, perfect waist.

I was captured by her beautiful big almond-shaped eyes, wonderful smile and very pleasant soft Russian accent. She was so female and tender in bed, so playful that I prayed not to got in love with my fairy. She also gave wonderful exciting message and touched me in such a caring manner that I understood that this night we will hardly sleep, She is a really professional well-groomed courtesan, very caring hot and loving sex.

Pizdyets

11-14-08, 15:10

And being foriegners. We won't take bribes, nor be colluded into giving false reports.

Maybe I won't take bribes, but if any of these girls gives up her ass to me for free, I do hereby swear to give her a stunning report. You know where to PM me. ;)

"My penis is small... look."
- Pierre Woodman, before he fucks a hottie's virgin ass

Doctor_Skank

11-14-08, 15:23

Pierre WoodmanA god among men.

http://www.spankwire.com/search/straight/keyword/pierre+woodman

Strike 69

11-14-08, 18:34

Maybe I won't take bribes, but if any of these girls gives up her ass to me for free, I do hereby swear to give her a stunning report. You know where to PM me. ;)

"My penis is small... look."
- Pierre Woodman, before he fucks a hottie's virgin ass

I second that option. If any of these girls give me her ass (and pussy) for free I will give hear an absolutetly stunning report. PM if interested.

Pizdyets

11-14-08, 20:06

Apologies, since this is unequivocally off-topic.

A god among men.

http://www.spankwire.com/search/straight/keyword/pierre+woodman

He is my idol. Not as a porn director, mind you... his direction and cinematography leave a lot to be desired compared to even Rocco or Christophe Clark. But as a guy able to work a girl psychologically and then sexually, he is king. His Casting series should be required viewing for any man wanting to gain insight into the female psyche. Sure, he's paying these girls to fuck his ugly self. But in 9/10 cases, they're fucking loving it by the time he's done with them. That says something. That says a lot, actually.

Here's some interesting reading...

http://www.kapelovitz.com/pierre.htm

Love him or hate him, that fucker deserves some respect.

Great Wall

11-16-08, 15:26

Jake993

11-16-08, 18:37

I will be in Moscow and would like to know what possibilities I have in the hotel itself. Which hotel (preferably a top end) has in-house service provider?

If there is no such hotel, what can I do? The safest and the easiest way. My preference is erotic massage leading to full service.
The Sheraton Palace on Tverskaya ALWAYS has working girls in the lobby available for "room service". I have also heard that the Radisson also has such girls but cannot confirm first hand.

Doctor_Skank

11-16-08, 20:07

I will be in Moscow and would like to know what possibilities I have in the hotel itself. Which hotel (preferably a top end) has in-house service provider?

If there is no such hotel, what can I do? The safest and the easiest way. My preference is erotic massage leading to full service.Hotel "Peter I" also has girls in the lobby... average quality, mega price.

Pizdyets

11-17-08, 12:12

I will be in Moscow and would like to know what possibilities I have in the hotel itself. Which hotel (preferably a top end) has in-house service provider?

If there is no such hotel, what can I do? The safest and the easiest way. My preference is erotic massage leading to full service.

Hyatt Ararat has its stable, some of whom are total babes. LT will run you at least 4 bens.

Explorer69

11-17-08, 12:34

Hyatt Ararat has its stable, some of whom are total babes. LT will run you at least 4 bens.For the not English-speaking: what is "bens"?

Jake993

11-17-08, 15:20

Has anyone actually taken the new(ish) Aero Express train from SVO-2 to Savelovsky Station? How far is the walk from the arrivals area to the train terminus at SVO-2?

I am arriving in Moscow in a few weeks on a Friday afternoon at about 5:40 PM and the thought of making the trip into the center of town by car gives me the shakes. I was thinking of just catching the train and have the driver meet me at Savelovsky rather than sitting in a car for 2+ hours.

Any opinions and/or experiences? Perhaps the traffic from SVO on a Friday afternoon at this time of year is not so bad? (Ha, ha) Last time I took a car from SVO it took the better part of 2.5 hours. Mind you, that was a few years ago and it was in June.

Thanks.

Solntsa Yada

11-17-08, 22:21

JohnTodd

11-18-08, 01:38

I stayed at the Sheraton early September for five nights, I checked out the lobby Bar area nightly, I did not see any tallent. I did order room service, the lady was a no show, I am not sure if she encountered a security problem? I attempted to call her, but no answer.
The latest I cheched the bar was around 11:00pm, perhaps that was too early?

Jake993

11-18-08, 02:11

Bez Bezarra

11-18-08, 12:45

For the not English-speaking: what is "bens"?

As in Benjamin Franklin, as in A Girl's Best Friend, as in, the Dead Presidents, as in, that old guy that Barack Obama DOESN'T look like, as in, the guy on the Hundred Dollar bill. ;)

So at least four 'bens', is gonna run ya four hundred bucks, to fuck one of the lobby girls at the Hyatt Ararat.

So as not to be confused with, "The beetch stole my Benz!" , as in when your girlfriend drives off in your fine luxury german automobile.

For those rambling on in 'monger-speak'.

Stravinsky

11-19-08, 01:02

The crazy-horse.ru website ( a sister site of erotic-massage.ru ) features this notice.

ВНИМАНИЕ! С 17 ноября действует антикризисная СКИДКА! Цена полной программы составляет 2500 руб.

ATTENTION! From November 17th, the anti-crisis DISCOUNT operates! The price of the full program [1 hr. erotic massage + sex] makes 2500 rbl.

The price for the full program was 3000r. Shadows of things to come??

Jake993

11-19-08, 13:23

On Friday it is better to go by train. Who that will wait for you also to you better to arrive faster.

http://www.sheremetyevo-airport.ru/?act=part&pid=549

http://www.sheremetyevo-airport.ru/?act=part&pid=512

Thanks Victoria!!

Jake993

11-19-08, 13:26

I just dropped off a mate to the Train, it was a 15 minute walk from the end of the train to the Airport, but he also said they seemed almost ready to finish the last bit.. so the Majority of its done.Thanks SY,
Hmmmm.... "almost ready". Maybe a bit premature to attempt with any amount luggage?

Big Bro AJ

11-24-08, 11:29

Jake993,

I am coming to Moscow for pleasure and fun. Planing to stay a week.

But I need a car to pick me up from the airport, my former driver was away.

www.mycarinmoscow.com

Is it still on business? Trustworhty?

thnx

Jake993

11-24-08, 14:18

Jake993,
I am coming to Moscow for pleasure and fun. Planing to stay a week.
But I need a car to pick me up from the airport, my former driver was away.
Is it still on business? Trustworhty?
thnx As of September still in business. Good car. Good driver. Very reliable.

Jake993

11-30-08, 22:23

I just dropped off a mate to the Train, it was a 15 minute walk from the end of the train to the Airport, but he also said they seemed almost ready to finish the last bit.. so the Majority of its done.

SN,
Hey - coming to Moscow week of December 7th. I see you are not receiving PM's. Tell Mr. Piz to send me your cell phone # or email address.
Paka.
Jake

Doctor_Skank

11-30-08, 22:29

SN,
Hey - coming to Moscow week of December 7th. I see you are not receiving PM's. Tell Mr. Piz to send me your cell phone # or email address.
Paka.
JakeI arrive Dec 6 and in town until the 10th. You free on Saturday (6th) or Sunday (7th)? Monday or Tuesday OK too, but I have a gf in tow then.

Pizdyets

12-01-08, 15:24

I arrive Dec 6 and in town until the 10th. You free on Saturday (6th) or Sunday (7th)? Monday or Tuesday OK too, but I have a gf in tow then.

When do you NOT have a GF in town, Doc? :P

Jake - I will PM you SY's koordinats.

Big Bro AJ

12-01-08, 15:39

I will be in town on Dec 9 and stay till 14.

ANy last minute news from the scene?? (new clubs, changes on going rates, etc)

Solntsa Yada

12-02-08, 11:12

I'm finding a slight increase in 'ex-office-workers' in some clubs, concentrating their skills on picking up free drinks, ran into a couple on a sarge night with some friend, they got laid off recently and went out on the town to celebrate? Anyway long story short, digits from them all and took home the last woman standing.

Oh, and I noticed, the % of women telling their g-friends about whats going on. Much less than I've ever experienced in western society, as a result, I can date two girls that are friends yet they won't even tell each other? Cool!

Stravinsky

12-03-08, 16:39

Solnishko,

Interesting... did you get a sense from any of these newly unemployed office workers about how they plan to support themselves? I mean, beyond hustling free drinks.

Doctor_Skank

12-03-08, 16:46

Anyone up for some club/disco action on Saturday night?

Helena Moscow

12-04-08, 17:35

[QUOTE=Jake993]Has anyone actually taken the new(ish) Aero Express train from SVO-2 to Savelovsky Station? How far is the walk from the arrivals area to the train terminus at SVO-2?[QUOTE]I did. It takes about 15 minutes to walk within the airport (under the roof, not in the wet street) from station to terminal. Better take a bit more time because on the way you may come in the mood to take a cup of coffe or something stronger in one of the local coffe-shops. The train itself is comfortable and gies in time.

Doctor_Skank

12-04-08, 22:30

. The train itself is comfortable and gies in time.Is SVO-3 open yet? DME is becoming more and more a zoo.

Helena Moscow

12-05-08, 01:20

Is SVO-3 open yet? DME is becoming more and more a zoo.No idea. Never saw anymals in DME, I guess you were extremely lucky ;) Vnukovo is worse in any case, but closer to the city.

Stravinsky

12-05-08, 01:56

Pizdyets

12-05-08, 05:29

Doc,

Not sure, but if the construction project next to SVO-2 is supposed to be the new SVO-3, we could all grow old and die waiting for it to open.

That's assuming, of course, that they still have financing to finish it.

Nope, Terminal 3 isn't open yet, but they've reorganized Terminal 2 so that you hit security check right after check-in. So now it's like every other sane airport in the world, with the exception of the ad hoc homeless shelter in the corridors of the second floor.

Jake993

12-06-08, 09:46

Anyone up for some club/disco action on Saturday night? Just arrived in Moscow last night after the "trip from hell" to Turkmenistan last week. Air France one lost bag and Turkish Airlines lost the other. But when I arrived in SVO last night - both bags were sitting there. Amazing. Hey - the Bez was right - the pussy in Turkmen land really is spicy.
Send me a PM and let me know where and when.
Cheers,
Jake

Jake993

12-06-08, 09:50

I arrive Dec 6 and in town until the 10th. You free on Saturday (6th) or Sunday (7th)? Monday or Tuesday OK too, but I have a gf in tow then.
Just saw this - I have been "off the net" in T-stan. Damn they REALLY have to do something about that. They are CRYING for a foreign Internet Service Provider (ISP).

Jake993

12-06-08, 10:02

I did. It takes about 15 minutes to walk within the airport (under the roof, not in the wet street) from station to terminal. Better take a bit more time because on the way you may come in the mood to take a cup of coffe or something stronger in one of the local coffe-shops. The train itself is comfortable and gies in time. Helena speaks the truth. The Aeroexpress terminal is GORGEOUS compared with SVO2. I had a few hours to kill when I came through on Monday night on the way to Turkmenistan so I took a stroll over to check it out. The walkway from the SVO2 terminal (departures level) is a 5 minute walk so if you don't have too much luggage it's a breeze. The walkway itself is covered with a temporary structure but you can see that they have plans for a permanent connection. There are all kinds of shops and cafes (even a Starbucks!!!!!!) and the place is DESERTED. Don't think it will stay that way though. When I came in last night, I had ordered a car so I didn't take the train itself. But the fucker parked the car underneath the Aeroexpress terminal so we had to walk all that way anyhow!!!!! Ha, ha. But the traffic was light last night at 8:00 PM so it was no biggie. But if you are coming or going from SVO during the rush hour, I would STRONGLY suggest that you consider taking the train from Savelovsky station....... unless of course you enjoy sitting in a car for an hour.

Jake993

12-06-08, 10:03

Is SVO-3 open yet? DME is becoming more and more a zoo. You want to talk about a zoo? Try going to Ashgabat.

Tone

12-06-08, 15:09

I tried to take the train this week having seen the shiny new terminal on my way into Moscow. After making my to the station i found that I had missed the 11am train and the next one was not till after 2pm. If you are going to use this service be careful and check the timing of trains.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Has anyone actually taken the new(ish) Aero Express train from SVO-2 to Savelovsky Station? How far is the walk from the arrivals area to the train terminus at SVO-2?[QUOTE]I did. It takes about 15 minutes to walk within the airport (under the roof, not in the wet street) from station to terminal. Better take a bit more time because on the way you may come in the mood to take a cup of coffe or something stronger in one of the local coffe-shops. The train itself is comfortable and gies in time.

Fox7717

12-07-08, 13:17

...Enough about the bloody trains and SIM cards!!

This is not the tourist office after all?

Back to the pussy!

Stravinsky

12-07-08, 20:54

Fox,

You can't get to the pussy without the trains and the SIM cards. :)

Jake993

12-09-08, 02:17

Damn jet lag can be a *****. It's 4:06 AM in Moscow and I just woke up 20 minutes ago. I went to bed early (2200) because the jet lag finally caught up with me after a week of denial. Could not keep my eyes open. So what do a I see when I turn on my mobilnik? A Message from a previous hottie gf (freebie) who sent me 4 SMS's from 2230 until 0100 wanting to know where the hell I was and if I wanted to come fuck her brains out.

But wait, it's gets better. She says, hey if you can't see me tonight, I am free Tuesday night but am leaving town on Wednesday to go to Vietnam. She tough part is that I have scheduled a new recruit for Tuesday night!!!!!

Do I DARE pull a "Dr. Skank maneuver" and schedule them both so that if one turns out to be a "dud" I can have one for backup? I mean, vacation girls is going to be up all night packing her suitcase so what the hell?

Pizdyets

12-09-08, 04:36

Do I DARE pull a "Dr. Skank maneuver" and schedule them both so that if one turns out to be a "dud" I can have one for backup? I mean, vacation girls is going to be up all night packing her suitcase so what the hell?

Pozdravlyayu tebya, Jake!

But what's this about the dud and backup? True Skank-style is to have a conveyor belt of girls operational during all waking moments. If you're gonna attempt to imitate, need to do it faithfully.

Jake993

12-09-08, 04:45

Pozdravlyayu tebya, Jake!

But what's this about the dud and backup? True Skank-style is to have a conveyor belt of girls operational during all waking moments. If you're gonna attempt to imitate, need to do it faithfully. You're right - I will be bold.

Jake993

12-09-08, 05:26

Before I completely forget the details, need to tell you guys about my experience in Ashgabat last week. I will spare you the rant about my lost luggage but go straight to the part about the pussy.

3 nights - 2 different girls. Both pick up in Grand Turkmen Hotel (formerly Sheraton)
Disco - I met Shemsha at about 1:20 AM. She was on the dance floor groov'in by herself and I was checking SMS's on my Blackberry ( no BB service in Turkmenistan yet) . She was making faces at me and eventually came over to see what I was doing. Cute little impish Turkmen girl from Mary (pronounced Ma-Rhree) could NOT have been more than 45 Kg. Classic spinner. Dark hair, dark eyes. I will post a photo once I figure out how to get if off my BB.

After some Fred and Ginger action on the dance floor we headed to my room and got the usual scrutiny from Okranky who were friendly and discreet. Got to my room and 5 minutes later Shemsha was knocking at the door. She came in and I ask her old she was and she told me that she had just turned 18. Gulp - now I feel creepy. I asked how long she had been doing this and she said it was her second week. Ah, a rookie.

Couple of drinks - touchy feely, grabby grabby and the clothes come off. Quick rinse in the shower and she gets down to BBBJ. Getting ready for round 2, and she asks if I had any condoms. Well, normally I would but since my luggage was lost I was without. She looked at me and said, "OK, no problem it will be ok we can do it without". After a millisecond of thought I told her to get dressed, go downstairs to the lounge and get one from one of her friends. After 5 minutes she was back and we were at it. Quite a wild ride. The BBBJ was not great as she was clearly not very experienced. But the in-out was very enthusiastic. Did not ask for anal but I am sure it was on the menu. Two hours - $100 plus 30,000 Manat (about $2.15) for cab fare!!!!!!!!

Next night I was a bit early for the disco which normally does not get going until midnight so I went to the lounge bar on the second floor. There were 3 or four girls at the bar and another 3 or 4 in the chairs. I sat at the bar and ordered a vodka and tonic. BTW – the local vodka, Ashgabatskaya, is quite good and much cheaper than the Russian Standard they try to push on you. One of the girls at the bar was on the phone and the taller of the two went the ladies room. The one left was a Turkmen girl (the other two were clearly ethnic Russians) and her name was Mely-sa. What a peach. 27 recently divorced, on the job for two months now. Dark hair but not what you would think of as Asian. On first glance you might have said she was Italian. Relatively light skin but she swears she is pure Turkmen. Petite figure, big smile, and spoke reasonable English. I sat and drank with her and her friends for a few hours with the intention of going to the disco but that did not materialize and I went upstairs with Melysa. Their program was different and according to Melysa, it’s a standard program for $150 with very little room for negotiation. They pay the security about $30 for each trick. The girls in the lounge are more of a fixture and are well known to security. The girls in the disco are more hit and miss.

Melysa was spectacular. Full three holer with major enthusiasm in all departments. Probably the best BBBJ I have ever had. Very slow, sensual, seemed to go on forever. Like a kid with a lolly pop. No joke. Definitely a keeper. She spent almost 2 hours with me but the program is technically an hour.

Final night, I thought about going to the disco or picking something up from the British Pub across the street but I just had to tag Melysa one more time. Called her at 9:00 PM and she was on her way to the hotel in minutes. This time it was a full three hours (same price) and it was mind numbing. I am sure she would have stayed but I had an early flight so I released her.

I suppose I should have posted this in the Turkmenistan section but I didn't want the Moscow aficionados to miss this report.

Great Wall

12-09-08, 21:12

Hyatt Ararat has its stable, some of whom are total babes. LT will run you at least 4 bens.

Most likely I will be put up in Hotel IZMAILOVO. Is this a girl friendly hotel? The website says this has massage facility. Does massage in Russia mean massage only or something extra? Any suggestions what option I have while staying there.

Stravinsky

12-10-08, 00:13

GW,

Izmailovo is way beyond the city center. It's main advantage seems to be price. There has already been a fair amount of discussion about its positive and negative aspects. You might want to search for posts by IT Travel, he likes to stay there.

Great Wall

12-10-08, 09:46

Great Wall

12-10-08, 11:01

How do you write their address in English and how to reach them from Hotel Izmailovo?

Stravinsky

12-10-08, 15:51

GW,

No need to quote ancient history, it just wastes valuable disk space.

We have 1 report on Helena and 0 reports on Victoria (as I recollect), so it's probably a little too soon to be making judgements about them.

Assorti is at 34 Zemlyanoi Val. Get yourself a good map of Moscow and you will see how far away it is from Izmailovo.

It Travel

12-10-08, 16:02

HombreDeHielo

12-11-08, 19:24

Dear friends,

I just come from the Bar Hod Dog (Former Chesterfied, etc.) and I hav the impression that the sceme has changed. It has become a normal bar without "working girls". Can anybody confirm it? . Or maybe I was on the worng day. Hod Dog was in the past a very good alternative of NF that from my personal taste I preferred. I confirm as well that the prices in NF remain the same as before so the higest quality of girls and the higest prices (but nevertheless overpriced) so crisis is not affecting yet.

BR from Moscow

Stravinsky

12-11-08, 23:50

Ice man,

The scene at Hot Dog's is the same as always. Maybe you were there on a slow night, or just got there too early.

The working girls are there.

Mattador

12-12-08, 00:33

GW,

Assorti is at 34 Zemlyanoi Val.

What is the flat number ?
I've been to the address, but there was no obvious sign as to which bell to ring.
Thanks in advance mate.

Stravinsky

12-12-08, 01:22

Pizdyets

12-12-08, 09:04

Maybe you were there on a slow night, or just got there too early.

The working girls are there.

I tend to believe the latter. I've personally never been before midnight (usually don't show up until 3, as hitting HD is typically one of those last minute acts of drunken desperation), but one of SY's recent outings confirmed that it's a regular bar before 10:30pm or so, when the WGs show up.

Jake993

12-12-08, 23:58

I tend to believe the latter. I've personally never been before midnight (usually don't show up until 3, as hitting HD is typically one of those last minute acts of drunken desperation), but one of SY's recent outings confirmed that it's a regular bar before 10:30pm or so, when the WGs show up. I have been to HD at 10:00 PM with a mixed crowd on a Tursday night after social sauna which is in the area. After the sauna we decided to catch a drink or six at HD. The Russian girls wanted to stay late enough to watch the "Robotniki" under the protection of us expat guys - stupid girls. Wasn't until 11:30 PM that the storm clouds started to gather and well after midnight until after the real talent showed up. Quite the transformation.

Just a sidebar - but one of the Russian non-pros in our group was making eyes at one fo the expat guys in our group. Not much was happening until the roboniki started making advances at our good friend. That seemed to have turned out little devushka on because he ended up bringing her home and they have since ended up living together. Hmmmm - I wonder who got the better end of that deal?

Mattador

12-13-08, 16:42

Mattador,

As you are facing the building, you will see a 24 Hr. apteka on your left. On your right you will see some cement steps that lead up from the street level. Walk up the steps and into the dvor around back.

That's as far as I will take you. If you want the podyezd and apt. then get their phone number from the website and give them a call. It's best to call first, since it's a small place and they can fill up fast if they get busy.

Just out of curiosity : Is there a particular reason why flat numbers are not shared/publicized ? I checked few web-sites, and all you can get is the building number. This usually don't help much for non-russian speakers.

Stravinsky

12-13-08, 18:09

Mattador,

Most salons and massage parlors are very small; typically a private apartment with 2 or 3 bedrooms. They are not designed to take unannounced visitors. As I said, they can fill up very quickly so it's really in your best interest to call in advance to make sure they know that you are coming. Also, because they are operating in a private apartment building, they need to maintain some appearance of decorum. If the situation gets too out of hand, then they have to move.

I made the mistake, once, of giving out the podyezd and kvartira to someone by PM and 4 months later my favorite salon had closed. I don't know for a fact that it was my action that caused that, but it's too much of a coincidence to try it again.

On sextalk, the website for the local guys, posting too much specific info is zapreshcheno (forbidden) and they will ban you for that.

However, I understand this makes it almost impossible for a non-speaking tourist to access these places, which is unfortunate since they provide good value and are an alternative to the tourist traps.

This is probably a good topic for the Russian Language Words and Phrases thread.

Stravinsky

12-13-08, 18:11

Jake,

ochyen interyesno... what's the derivation of robotniki?

Pizdyets

12-13-08, 23:25

Jake,

ochyen interyesno... what's the derivation of robotniki?

I think he meant rAbotniki (работники). As in "workers".

Pizdyets

12-13-08, 23:29

Just a sidebar - but one of the Russian non-pros in our group was making eyes at one fo the expat guys in our group. Not much was happening until the roboniki started making advances at our good friend. That seemed to have turned out little devushka on because he ended up bringing her home and they have since ended up living together. Hmmmm - I wonder who got the better end of that deal?

You can't underestimate how competitive girls can be. I've been to strip clubs in the US in mixed (business) company and had a female colleague give me a lap dance with full bump-n-grind because she needed to prove that she was as sexually charged as any professional stripper could be.

Stravinsky

12-14-08, 00:08

I think he meant rAbotniki (работники )Oh, работники... OK, now I understand. I thought maybe they had robotic women working at HD. :)

Pizdyets

12-14-08, 00:11

Oh, работники... OK, now I understand. I thought maybe they had robotic women working at HD. :)

Nah, you gotta go to Japan for that. ;)

Local Hero

12-14-08, 00:44

I was in Moscow for a week and visited a number of strip clubs during my stay. Since the last rundown is a couple of years old, thought you guys would appreciate an update. Note: I am living in a Russian-speaking country and can converse in the language. Don't think many of the girls in the clubs speak English, so your experience is going to be quite different if you can't manage some Russian.

Let's start with the on-site full-service places, shall we?...

Bordo, 4 Pevchesky Per., Metro: Kitai-Gorod, Tel. 917-4545

Cover: 1000r

On-site sex: 9000r half-hour, 15000r one hour, plus room rental, of which cheapest is 1300r half-hour.

Packed wall-to-wall with 50 girls, many pretty, with a wide mix of looks and nationalities. The girls outnumbered the clients by 10:1 on the night I was there, but it was during the early days of the “crisis”. Almost nobody here speaks our tongue, save for a couple of black cuties from English-speaking Africa.

I invited a delicious Ukrainka out on her night off for dinner and all-nighter. On a cold and snowy night, she was warm and the experience was memorable. BTW - the restaurant ‘Nedalny Vostok’ on Tverskoi Blv. is very expensive, but worth it.

Violete, 4/5 Raushskaya Nab., Metro: Nonokuznetskaya, Tel. 238-8614
Cover: 500r

A dozen girls, none very pretty. Seedy. Unfriendly, with constant hassle for post-dance tips. Despite the live singer providing entertainment, I didn’t stay here long.

Chou Chou, 2/8 Bol. Zlatoustinsky Per., Metro: Lubyanka, Tel. 628-6368
Cover: 500r

A bit seedy, but hosting maybe a dozen mostly-friendly girls. On-site sex for a reasonable price, around 8000r all-in if I remember.

Babylone, 8a Strastnoi near Pushkinskaya Pl.
Cover: 700r

Last time I was in town, the lovely and friendly Ira was working here. Seems she has moved on. Nevertheless, not at all bad. 20 girls of decent quality. On-site sex: 8000r, including the room. This club is just around the corner from NF, but what a difference! Don’t think anyone here speaks a word of English. I was the only non-Russian in the room, save for a couple of Turkish guys living in Moscow.

Now, on to the "normal" strip-tease clubs...

Rasputin, 25 Zubovsky Bul., Metro: Park Kultury, Tel. 245-5135
Cover: 3000r (!)
Uvol'nenie (take-out): 9000r + EUR500 to the girl. Few go out.

This used to be Moscow’s high-end, but seems to have faded despite the high prices. Only a dozen girls on a Thursday night, but good quality. No action in the “hard room”, though the cover was supposed to pay for that.

Enjoyed chatting with Tanya, a friendly “massage girl” with a gymnast’s body. If you were to splurge for a take out, she would be the one.

911, 15 Kosyguina (in the Korston hotel casino), Leninsky Prospekt
Cover: 1000r
Uvol'nenie (take out): 19000r, which includes the girl’s fee
Private room for massage only, AFAIK

This looks to be Moscow’s current class act. Two halls, both full nude. 40 very pretty girls - only a few of which have sex, AFAIK. They were celebrating some kind of anniversary, so had a special program with the girls all nude and onstage at the same time. In the same lovely state, they were occasionally dancing with the clients…

Surprisingly reasonable drink prices, given the club’s level.

Divas, Strastnoi Blvd, 10 / 2
Cover: 700r
Private room for massage only, 3000r

30 girls, all pretty. Friendly. But only a few have sex, seems. Two rooms, one full nude and the other topless.

Nice, reasonably priced club, with class-act girls who can hold their end of a conversation. One was reading a weighty psychology book at the bar between dances.

This club was my favorite of the bunch, but my high opinion is probably influenced by the fact that two girls gave me their phone numbers for later rendez-vous...

Mister XXX, Novy Arbat 12. Positively reviewed here in the past, so went to check it out. Now closed.

Night Flight, Tverskaya 17
On my last night, succumbed to the urge to catch-up on NF, which was my first Moscow mongering experience many years ago. You guys here know the drill...

Settled on Svetlana, who claimed she works only a night or two per month when she needs the cash. Talked a good game about how she only goes with men she really likes and then gives her all, she's not really a pro, etc. Started at EUR 1000 (!), ended at 500 for an all-night. (Yeah, I know...)

After the first go, she fell fast asleep. In the morning, she awoke, showered, and was on her way out when I came-to and asked her what she was doing. No amount of coaxing would get her back into bed. Said I should have paid 1000 if I wanted two times. Typical NF story, as I gather from other posts.

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Doctor_Skank

12-14-08, 01:17

Oh, работники... OK, now I understand. I thought maybe they had robotic women working at HD. :)Fembots anyone?

Stravinsky

12-14-08, 02:31

Careful Doc, you're dating yourself. I think I'm the only one old enough to remember Fembots. :)

AColonizer

12-14-08, 11:21

I thank Local Hero, but I want to remind forum members to describe services in sex session because "she was hot" or "memorable meeting" don't mean anything.

Moreover, the Svetlana' trick is usual and I want to keep aware men about no respect from women, in general.

I hope, with you, the new global recession put some respect in female minds but I am not sure because bad habits are very hard to change.

Settled on Svetlana, who claimed she works only a night or two per month when she needs the cash. Talked a good game about how she only goes with men she really likes and then gives her all, she's not really a pro, etc. Started at EUR 1000 (!), ended at 500 for an all-night. (Yeah, I know...)

After the first go, she fell fast asleep. In the morning, she awoke, showered, and was on her way out when I came-to and asked her what she was doing. No amount of coaxing would get her back into bed. Said I should have paid 1000 if I wanted two times. Typical NF story, as I gather from other posts

Jake993

12-14-08, 18:31

Jake,

ochyen interyesno... what's the derivation of robotniki?

I think he meant rAbotniki (работники). As in "workers".
Quite right Pizdyets - I successfully butchered a reference to "Rabotnitsa", which was actually a newspaper published by the Bolsheviks meaning "Working Woman". I have been reading "RED VICTORY - The history of the Russian Civil War 1918 - 1921" by Bruce Lincoln. In the section which deals with sexuality of women during the revolution he refers to the publication. It's a heavy reading but packed with all sorts of interesting information. Chapter 10, page 337, paragraph 1, line 6.

Anyhow, I came across that term and I thought "Rabotnitsa" was a cute way of referring to the dyeffki who unabashedly ply their trade with little pretense. As opposed to the "Sponsorfils" who pretend to not do it for the money. Incidentally, I picked up the term "sponsorfil" from sextalk.ru.
And speaking of sponsorship I think this is topic that bears some more detailed discussion but probably more appropriately in the "Dating Russian Women" category. I will collect my thoughts and post a thread on a topic which has recently become one of some interest to me.

George 6969

12-14-08, 21:26

Was in Moscow last week and can confirm that nothing changed in Hotdog, because I read a recent report who questioned that. Business as usual. Hotdog has developed over the past year as often reported here and had upgradad its image. The girls are much better than in the past but still two classes under NF. The same goes for the prices. You will find lower medium girls to nearly stunners here. The prices for drinks are cheap (130 RUR for a beer).Girls go for $ 200-250 up to your negotiation skill. The overall atmosphere is ok. Professionals are lined up all along the bar and easy to contact. My experiences with the middle class girls are better than with the good looking, because they attitude is not customer oriented.

Another story in NF, because the ratio is totally different and the stunners are the majority of the girls. A perfect place for me since 10 years. If you are lucky, find Alicia, a blond 26 year old stunner, who looks spectaluar. They all ask for € 500 in the beginning and go for € 300 in the majority of the cases.

In both places the mafia taxis outside are a real pain in the ass. To find a girl with a car helps.

Guido88

12-14-08, 23:33

Local Hero

You do keep the door locked and keep the key hidden?

Dual purpose here:

One to check valuables prior to the Dev leaving.

The second to insure the Dev performs as per agreement.

The reason the Dev’s pull this Shit is because mongers let them.

The Russian men have spent thousands of years training their women to be obedient and did a great job of it.

In a little over a decade mongers have fucked up a great thing with the nice Western attitudes.

RU women expect to be told what to do. Demands or even commands are not out of line, leave the Western attitudes at home and things get simple.

No coaxing, tell them sternly what to do. They understand and will comply.

You may even ……..Get what you want.

IMHO

Guido88

Pizdyets

12-15-08, 06:31

Local Hero - thanks for an outstanding first post with your high-end strip club update. I'll be honest and say that I only go to these places when entertaining foreign partners who want to remain "faithful" to their wives. As such, I found it curious that you didn't mention even a single lap-dance rate, since lap-dances and drinks are the only things my posse and I purchase in such establishments. As I've written before, strip club pussy is just about the most expensive you can find in Moscow, and even NightFlight can seem inexpensive in comparison. But you did well to point out that "dating" (arranging to meet a girl the next day, etc) is much more cost-effective than strict "take-out" where the rates will be higher and the club must also be paid.

Guido - totally with you on locking the door from the inside and hiding the key. And it's yet another reason why staying in an apartment is better than a hotel.

I was in Moscow for a week and visited a number of strip clubs during my stay. Since the last rundown is a couple of years old, thought you guys would appreciate an update. Note: I am living in a Russian-speaking country and can converse in the language. Don't think many of the girls in the clubs speak English, so your experience is going to be quite different if you can't manage some Russian.

Jake993

12-15-08, 10:09

Guido - totally with you on locking the door from the inside and hiding the key. And it's yet another reason why staying in an apartment is better than a hotel. Modebly Pizdyets. My recent favorite hiding spot is in the freezer in the ice cube tray.

Funny story - there's still a pretty dev in SPB named Ksenia who is still laughing her head off at the stupid Amerikanits who hit the key so well that he could not find it the next morning. Doh! I wonder who THAT was!!!!!!

Big Bro AJ

12-15-08, 12:42

I spent 5 nights and 6 days at beloved Moscow and unfortunately seen that most of the clubs lost their magic.

XXX was shut down.

They closed some sections of the White Bear and the show was poor.

Rasputin was a disaster, they charged 1300Rb for dancing girls (slightly topless) and the action was terrible. They charged 800Rb for Jack (It costs 430 Rb at NF)

Kamasutra was closed.

Bordo was a popular spot for expats and tourists. The managers know how to run the club, reasonable prices friendly and hot girls. Tacik and Kazak girls pretended that they were from Chine, I saw one girl from Kamerun and lots of blondikas…

Pena Club (Truckers Strip club) on Kolomenskaya was my favorite club for this time. There are only two stages; the club itself is S shaped and very small. 8 girls from Africa, 2 oriental girls and 5-6 blondikas. Two hours long sauna sex cost 8000Rb. If you pay 15000Rb, you may take the girls for 6 hours. http://pena-club.ru Basement is strip club upstairs is regular club.

Beloved Night Flight lost its magic. First we went there on Thursday night around 23, nearly no clients, lots of and lots of plastic girl (fake lips, fake boobs) I tried to find a natural beauty I found one but she asked 400 Euro for one pop. Secondly we went there on Saturday night after 01, even at that hour there were no customers and girls were chatting each other. They still asked 400 Euro for one pop.

I met 9 girls in 6 days. Instead of spending the nights with girls, I usually met them after 18 for two hour sessions.

Elya is an oriental looking 32 years old Russian girl who has lots of friends and has two secure and clean apartments in Mayakoskaya and Serpukhoovskaya(Brown line). She asks 200$ for two hours. Anal sex is possible and there are no limits. Through her contacts I met 8 more girls. They ask 400$ for all night, 500$ for threesome (2-3 hours long). Most of the girls are late 20s but one girl was barely 18 and another one was 42 years old. I also did mother daughter fantasy with these two. Lesbi show and strap on show was included to the threesome.

Elya speaks English but her friends can't.

Goodman on Tverskaya is a great place for steak dinner. I also love Mama Tao (Chinese restaurant) on Novokuznetskaya. Starlight diner is an American style diner on Mayakoskaya. Molly Gwen’s on Novy Arbat is an expat friendly spot.

There are two Starbucks at Arbat, both crowed and not permitted to smoke.

Bez Bezarra

12-15-08, 13:32

I met 9 girls, usually for two hour sessions.

Elya is 32 years and asks 200$ for two hours.

Through her contacts I met 8 more girls.

0ne girl was 18.

You guys can say all you want about Moscow Moscow Moscow, but meeting students who wish to have the sponsor, 18, or 19, is not big problem for me in the provinces. No I did not sleep with every girl I met, but out of 9 that I did meet, only one was NOT 18 or 19.

But meeting them would be a problem, if I did not have and use all the contacts that I've been fortunate to amke over the years, and certainly there have been times, when I do have some problems arranging introductions. Investing time, energy, and resources, to develop these relationships, is what has helped me, to get introduced.

But some of you guys prefer the 42 year olds, right?

LifeSavour

12-15-08, 13:45

You guys.

But some of you guys prefer the 42 year olds, right? And she was SUPER! I have had 'manicurists' 3 times in a row now. I like the mentality of these ladies. They take care of ALL parts of their bodies.

She had a 'brilliant' implant in her tooth, nice small 'tat' at the top of her 'crack' AND what she called a surprise for me.

A nice SEXY temporary glitter 'tat' at the base of her pubic bone just before the waxed. Baby smooth. Pussy!

She gave me the best body massage I have ever felt! Hard nipples and wett pussy. Ochen Klasna!

She arrived 10pm and we literally stayed in the bedroom until she left 64 hours later.

Ummmm, she just sms'd me at wants to arrive Friday! Let me think. OK!

Big Bro AJ

12-15-08, 13:52

Investing time, energy, and resources, to develop these relationships, is what has helped me, to get introduced.

is what we all need but I am usually lazy...One of my friend got the number of the waitres' at Mama Tao and they will meet sometime this week (He works in Moscow so he has time and resources for such relations.)

Anyway, as they said Cash is King, Sky is the limit...:)

Pizdyets

12-15-08, 17:15

XXX was shut down.

They've been undergoing "remont" for forever. In this economic climate, I wouldn't be too hopeful that it'll ever reopen. Anyway - wasn't ever my favorite place anyway, though they did have kalyan...

Rasputin was a disaster, they charged 1300Rb for dancing girls (slightly topless) and the action was terrible. They charged 800Rb for Jack (It costs 430 Rb at NF)

Rasputin has been a disaster as long as I can remember (read: many years). Greedy bitches and horrible management. Avoid at all costs.

Bordo was a popular spot for expats and tourists. The managers know how to run the club, reasonable prices friendly and hot girls. Tacik and Kazak girls pretended that they were from Chine, I saw one girl from Kamerun and lots of blondikas…

AJ, you must make a good deal more than I do, cuz I did not find Bordo's prices reasonable. Russian-brewed "imported" beer for a ruble a gram? It should be a crime. Quality of the girls there is best I've seen in town, though. And like you said, shapes and sizes to please almost anyone. Reminds me of the old Spearmint Rhino (where Deja Vu is now). Speaking of Deja Vu, I kinda like its chill-out vibe, but it's not cheap. 1K to enter, and 1K per private dance (only 1 song, though 2-for-1, 3-for-1 promotions offered as "stimulus packages" to free up vital monetary liquidity). No lap dances offered in situ, and privates dances are what you negotiate: kissing, titty sucking standard, but HJ, DATY even BBBJ if the tip is big enough. Only wish you could do the waitresses, because they're by far the cutest girls in the place.

Pena Club (Truckers Strip club) on Kolomenskaya was my favorite club for this time. There are only two stages; the club itself is S shaped and very small. 8 girls from Africa, 2 oriental girls and 5-6 blondikas. Two hours long sauna sex cost 8000Rb. If you pay 15000Rb, you may take the girls for 6 hours. http://pena-club.ru Basement is strip club upstairs is regular club.

I've seen this place so many times and always tempted to hit it, just cuz it looks soooo seedy. Now I must visit!

Beloved Night Flight lost its magic. First we went there on Thursday night around 23, nearly no clients, lots of and lots of plastic girl (fake lips, fake boobs) I tried to find a natural beauty I found one but she asked 400 Euro for one pop. Secondly we went there on Saturday night after 01, even at that hour there were no customers and girls were chatting each other. They still asked 400 Euro for one pop.

Yeah, I went for dinner the other night with clients. LOTS of plastic, and very little turnover. Back in the day, you'd see a steady steam of guys leaving with girls. Now it's pretty much only sightseers.

Surprised no one mentioned Oh La La. I went a few times this year and it was decent. Drinks, at least, are cheap as my job in such places is typically drinking, translating for my clients, and telling uglies to get the fuck off my lap.

Jake993

12-16-08, 00:46

They've been undergoing "remont" for forever. In this economic climate, I wouldn't be too hopeful that it'll ever reopen. Anyway - wasn't ever my favorite place anyway, though they did have kalyan...

Rasputin has been a disaster as long as I can remember (read: many years). Greedy bitches and horrible management. Avoid at all costs.

AJ, you must make a good deal more than I do, cuz I did not find Bordo's prices reasonable. Russian-brewed "imported" beer for a ruble a gram? It should be a crime. Quality of the girls there is best I've seen in town, though. And like you said, shapes and sizes to please almost anyone. Reminds me of the old Spearmint Rhino (where Deja Vu is now). Speaking of Deja Vu, I kinda like its chill-out vibe, but it's not cheap. 1K to enter, and 1K per private dance (only 1 song, though 2-for-1, 3-for-1 promotions offered as "stimulus packages" to free up vital monetary liquidity). No lap dances offered in situ, and privates dances are what you negotiate: kissing, titty sucking standard, but HJ, DATY even BBBJ if the tip is big enough. Only wish you could do the waitresses, because they're by far the cutest girls in the place.

I've seen this place so many times and always tempted to hit it, just cuz it looks soooo seedy. Now I must visit!

Yeah, I went for dinner the other night with clients. LOTS of plastic, and very little turnover. Back in the day, you'd see a steady steam of guys leaving with girls. Now it's pretty much only sightseers.

Surprised no one mentioned Oh La La. I went a few times this year and it was decent. Drinks, at least, are cheap as my job in such places is typically drinking, translating for my clients, and telling uglies to get the fuck off my lap.

Anyone hit the New Safari Lodge? I meant to go check it out last week but ran out of time. Too many dates with 49 year olds (that's for Bez's benefit).

Guido88

12-16-08, 01:16

Modebly Pizdyets. My recent favorite hiding spot is in the freezer in the ice cube tray.

Funny story - there's still a pretty dev in SPB named Ksenia who is still laughing her head off at the stupid Amerikanits who hit the key so well that he could not find it the next morning. Doh! I wonder who THAT was!!!!!!

Hey I know that girl…

Kidding, but will admit to on occasion with the proper amount of alcohol and lack of sleep to being geographically challenged as to the exact location of the key for a few minutes in the morning.

Normally kept in the safe but in apartments without safes sometimes things happen.

What’s funny is the Dev’s reaction. Evidently this happens quite a bit, never anger only humor. Again??????

The Dev’s know their role in the game: provide as negotiated, pride in service ability, have orgasms, get paid and leave when directed. Not before, like I said simple.

Pizdeyets

Been in Oh La La, found good quality and full service in a private room with views of the strip show. Not all girls will provide sex but all in all pretty enjoyable.

Still I miss the old Safari.

Guido88

Superparatrooper

12-16-08, 04:12

kidding, but will admit to on occasion with the proper amount of alcohol and lack of sleep to being geographically challenged as to the exact location of the key for a few minutes in the morning.

guido88no kidding, it can be no joke. try being awake for well over 72 hours, running on empty after having downed the umpteenth red bull, having a tobacco & hangover induced headache that fells like your head is about to explode, and then realize, as you pull into a car rental drop-off garage at the airport having just gotten photographed by two speed cameras in a vain attempt to make it to the airport on time, that you entered the wrong airport into your car navigation as the destination.

that is what i call being geographically challenged- arriving an hour before scheduled departure time at a wrong airport and coming to terms with the fact that you have been fucking women for three days straight and now you are royally fucked because your plane departs from an airport some 35 km away. ah, the life of a sex monger.

Dj Psycho 11

12-16-08, 18:39

Hallo folks,

For the greatest online resource of hookers with quality pictures, description of services and rates, check www.dosvg.nu. They have now added the English version. Translation is somewhat awkward in most cases, but at least you get the idea. Most of the ads are for Moscow. But there are hundreds of wonderful chicks to choose from, you will definitely find what you are looking for. Prices generally range from USD 100 to USD 1,000 per hour, although shown in Russian Roubles. There are also sections for many other Russian cities and Ukraine, so this website is a truly valuable resource. The only shortcoming here is that most of the girls do not speak English, so you just try your luck. I used this websites many times and can recommend it to anybody. Also, you can find reviews for each girl from other monkers, but this function works only in the Russian section.

Enjoy!

Local Hero

12-17-08, 01:15

You do keep the door locked and keep the key hidden? Hah! Thanks for the idea. I've never had to go to that length before. Anyway, this time it wouldn't have worked. The hotel (Pakrovka. Recommended, BTW) has one of those modern keycard systems. Maybe there is some hack to keep it closed from the inside, but I don't know it.

No coaxing, tell them sternly what to do. They understand and will comply. Usually. Having lived with one for a few years, meeting her friends and relatives, etc, I know Russian women pretty well. Some respond to no-nonsense commands, as you say. But others are quite strong-willed. This particular fairy had fingernails filed to sharp points. Not saying this would have been a physical problem, but tells you something about her character. (And now you know which NF Svetlana to avoid.)

BTW. Someone mentioned Oh La La. Good club from my memory of past visits, but missed it this time. Only one night per day, unfortunately.

Pizdyets

12-17-08, 15:41

Yeah, I just noticed that they started offering an English translation too.

But bear in mind that the most valuable portion (feedback from other, um, users) is NOT translated. You have to go to the Russian portion for that.

Hint: if you create an account on the site, you can see the number of user comments a girl has rejected for publication. If the girl is decent, she'll usually have few (or zero) rejected comments. To read the rejected comments, you need to pay though.

[btw, I corrected the spelling on your website link...]

Hallo folks,

For the greatest online resource of hookers with quality pictures, description of services and rates, check www.dosug.nu. They have now added the English version. Translation is somewhat awkward in most cases, but at least you get the idea. Most of the ads are for Moscow. But there are hundreds of wonderful chicks to choose from, you will definitely find what you are looking for. Prices generally range from USD 100 to USD 1,000 per hour, although shown in Russian Roubles. There are also sections for many other Russian cities and Ukraine, so this website is a truly valuable resource. The only shortcoming here is that most of the girls do not speak English, so you just try your luck. I used this websites many times and can recommend it to anybody. Also, you can find reviews for each girl from other monkers, but this function works only in the Russian section.

Enjoy!

Blaked

12-19-08, 05:08

Usually the hotels will be kind enough to help you out. I noticed that in Saratov - I was in two hotels - Bratislava and another one - and both were courteous enough to call and offer girls. Utah in Yaroslavl offers an average selection for 2000. dosug.ru offers a lot of provincial listings, although many are overpriced. Many girls seem to be using love.mail.ru and its sister sites to advertize. In Kiev, many girls do this while sitting around in the internet cafe at Bessarabski Rynok! Ukraine is really the best place for P4P right now because Gryvni are effectively 9-10/dollar. Given that they were 5/dollar forever, it seems as if everything is half-priced. That means that the love.mail.ru girls are going for less than 50 bucks (write them and they'll write back with prices, which are between 400 and 500 per hour).

You guys can say all you want about Moscow Moscow Moscow, but meeting students who wish to have the sponsor, 18, or 19, is not big problem for me in the provinces. No I did not sleep with every girl I met, but out of 9 that I did meet, only one was NOT 18 or 19.

But meeting them would be a problem, if I did not have and use all the contacts that I've been fortunate to amke over the years, and certainly there have been times, when I do have some problems arranging introductions. Investing time, energy, and resources, to develop these relationships, is what has helped me, to get introduced.

But some of you guys prefer the 42 year olds, right?

Great Wall

12-24-08, 11:48

GW,
Assorti is at 34 Zemlyanoi Val. Get yourself a good map of Moscow and you will see how far away it is from Izmailovo.

What is a top end hotel near this location?

Pizdyets

12-24-08, 13:39

What is a top end hotel near this location?

Swissotel is probably the closest 5*

Doctor_Skank

12-24-08, 16:36

Swissotel is probably the closest 5*Pokrovka Suites would also be ballpark. Katerina is a nice 4* alternative to SwissOtel.

AColonizer

12-25-08, 21:45

It is not easy to understand the real reason of this post, because I have hunted in Kiev for a year and now I am keeping updated by mamba sites and I see the Kiev scene has not changed yet.

Yes, Ukrainian grivna is going down but all girls, "freebies" or full-time prostitutes, in Kiev want just dollars, and crazy prices.

Moreover, it seems there are very few independent girls and 95% prostitutes are managed by "agencies": it is very strange most mongers don't report about these "agencies".

The worst about these "agencies" is they supply very unprofessional girls with no respect for men.

I have already written in Kiev thread: I could provide mongering lessons for beginners, to avoid men waste their money and feelings.

Usually the hotels will be kind enough to help you out. I noticed that in Saratov - I was in two hotels - Bratislava and another one - and both were courteous enough to call and offer girls. Utah in Yaroslavl offers an average selection for 2000. dosug.ru offers a lot of provincial listings, although many are overpriced. Many girls seem to be using love.mail.ru and its sister sites to advertize. In Kiev, many girls do this while sitting around in the internet cafe at Bessarabski Rynok! Ukraine is really the best place for P4P right now because Gryvni are effectively 9-10/dollar. Given that they were 5/dollar forever, it seems as if everything is half-priced. That means that the love.mail.ru girls are going for less than 50 bucks (write them and they'll write back with prices, which are between 400 and 500 per hour).

Helena Moscow

12-26-08, 07:40

Helena Moscow

12-26-08, 13:40

Pokrovka Suites would also be ballpark. Katerina is a nice 4* alternative to SwissOtel.There is also Tatiana near this place

http://www.hotel-tatiana.ru

AColonizer

12-26-08, 20:29

Ah ah ah but Blake talked about Kiev, read his post. Be aware of your reports.

Why do you write about Ukrain? Isn't it Moscow forum?

Humperdink 2008

12-28-08, 09:52

Do people think dosug. Nu is legit?

The pics look amazing and the prices seem very low.

Yeah, I just noticed that they started offering an English translation too.

But bear in mind that the most valuable portion (feedback from other, um, users) is NOT translated. You have to go to the Russian portion for that.

Hint: if you create an account on the site, you can see the number of user comments a girl has rejected for publication. If the girl is decent, she'll usually have few (or zero) rejected comments. To read the rejected comments, you need to pay though.

[btw, I corrected the spelling on your website link. ]

AColonizer

12-28-08, 13:21

Yes, very good question! Could anybody help us?

Do people think dosug. Nu is legit?

The pics look amazing and the prices seem very low.

Pizdyets

12-29-08, 07:28

Yes, very good question! Could anybody help us?

There's plenty about this on the forum already, so please read what's there first.

If you have questions about a particular girl, I suggest:
- searching on the Russian site for reviews (no need to register)
- looking at # of positive vs. negative reviews (you will need to register but not pay)
- putting her phone number thru sextalk.ru to see if there are reviews there

For all of these, you'll need to read Russian or use an online translator. And good luck with the "zhargon" (slang) because it can be difficult even for those of us who've been studying Russian for years.

AColonizer

12-29-08, 13:05

I am sure, the best reviews should be here written by forum users, with a hints&tricks section.

Moreover, a lot of girls have no review in Russian sites, and they are often the girls with the best pictures.

Positive and negative don't mean anything, because it is necessary to explain which are performances and prices. For example: men often write: "that fuck was passioned" but what does it means? For my work colleagues, the best fuck is a multiple fisting!

There's plenty about this on the forum already, so please read what's there first.

If you have questions about a particular girl, I suggest:
- searching on the Russian site for reviews (no need to register)
- looking at # of positive vs. negative reviews (you will need to register but not pay)
- putting her phone number thru sextalk.ru to see if there are reviews there

For all of these, you'll need to read Russian or use an online translator. And good luck with the "zhargon" (slang) because it can be difficult even for those of us who've been studying Russian for years.

DirkDingy

12-29-08, 14:01

Doctor_Skank

12-29-08, 14:45

Hi,

Sorry for the off-topic post.

I will be in Moscow for 36 hours and need to have a cell number. I remember that it is difficult to obtain sim cards in Russia for short-term stays. Is it possible to rent a cell at the airport or from a hotel? Thanks.

DDIt's not difficult to get a SIM card, you don't need registration or anything. At the very most you'll just have to list a bogus address. Phone shops are everywhere, AFAIK also at the airports.

Master 2008

12-29-08, 22:04

Why are you so agressive? I just wanted to leave here my opinion and instead come back and see this crazy shit!

Instead of saying thank you for a review about the queen that I met, I see these funny things!

Ilona is a real goddess and I really met her,

She is worthy every euro I gave to her.

She was dressed in a stunning evening dress with beautiful face and long very beautiful hair one can die for. I have never met a girl like her.

She has european rates but I cannot understand how people can fuck a woman who earns 100 euro per hour, it's a crazry slot machine, not a woman.

Ilona is a personality and my good friend, I am meeting her again very soon and will present to her 3, 000 euro, just because she is Ilona, a stunning beautiful intellectual woman. I just like to make beautiful women happy and give to them what they deserve, that's all. And I would never pay 100 euro per one hour or 200 euro per 5 hours or. Per. Hours as it is a shame for me.

Hmmm, it seems you really hit it off.

Almost as if you were staring into a mirror?
................................

That is an advertisement only! Look at Western-style rates! I saw that girl in several escort sites. She is the typical dreamed Russian girl. I guess instead she is a model in somewhere sites. A good fucking/blowing hour is for 2000/3500rubles, not more! Run away from this advertisement!Originally Posted by Master 2008
I met this beautiful and unusual girl

http://www.vipelegantescort.org/gallery.html

Several days ago, she is beautiful and intelligent, with wonderful taste, I got the impression I met my beautiful and sexy business partner, she was perfect in maintaining the talk, bright and with fabulous sense of humor, we met for the evening so notwithstanding I got excited from the first minute I saw her, I decide to prolong pleasure and be a gentleman and waited patiently till the night, was rewarded afterwards. In bed she was perfect, under a beautiful evening dress in which she came into my room there appeared to be perfect long slim legs, sporty body with wonderful smooth a bit sun-tanned skin, perfect waist.

I was captured by her beautiful big almond-shaped eyes, wonderful smile and very pleasant soft Russian accent. She was so female and tender in bed, so playful that I prayed not to got in love with my fairy. She also gave wonderful exciting message and touched me in such a caring manner that I understood that this night we will hardly sleep, She is a really professional well-groomed courtesan, very caring hot and loving sex.

Explorer69

12-30-08, 00:57

For my work colleagues, the best fuck is a multiple fisting!I hope few girls meet your work collegues!

Pizdyets

12-30-08, 07:08

I am sure, the best reviews should be here written by forum users, with a hints&tricks section.

Should be? You mean that you wish they were?

I love ISG and all, but the fact is that the traffic on a site like sextalk is many times what it is here. Because this is Russia, where Russian people live who speak Russian...

Moreover, a lot of girls have no review in Russian sites, and they are often the girls with the best pictures.

Ah, it's a two-edged knife, isn't it? The girls with the most reviews also have the most miles. And the newbies fresh off the train from Omsk, Vitebsk or some other provincial backwater -- no reviews at all. It all depends on how you want to play the odds.

Positive and negative don't mean anything, because it is necessary to explain which are performances and prices. For example: men often write: "that fuck was passioned" but what does it means? For my work colleagues, the best fuck is a multiple fisting!

There's a statistical norm to pretty much everything occurring in nature, including sexual likes/dislikes. Given a choice between equally attractive girls on dosug.nu - one with 10 published reports and 0 unpublished reports, and another with 5 published reports and 20 unpublished reports, I'll take the first one.

Stravinsky

12-30-08, 17:21

The girls with the most reviews also have the most miles. And the newbies fresh off the train from Omsk, Vitebsk or some other provincial backwater -- no reviews at all.If some guy(s) has got a good thing going, he may not want to share, so some of the "best" girls have no reviews.

Jake993

12-30-08, 23:05

If some guy(s) has got a good thing going, he may not want to share, so some of the "best" girls have no reviews.Sad but true my friends. ;)

It Travel

12-31-08, 12:57

May be the girl is fantastic... but 1000 € a night wich are 41.000 RUR now seems me really too much, it's cheaper in Germany or in Italy or even France and England now...

for 20.000, which is a lot of money, you can get some fabolous beauties from mamba... but of course in most cases thy do not speak a word of English.

IT...

Why are you so agressive? I just wanted to leave here my opinion and instead come back and see this crazy shit!

Instead of saying thank you for a review about the queen that I met, I see these funny things!

Ilona is a real goddess and I really met her,

She is worthy every euro I gave to her.

She was dressed in a stunning evening dress with beautiful face and long very beautiful hair one can die for. I have never met a girl like her.

She has european rates but I cannot understand how people can fuck a woman who earns 100 euro per hour, it's a crazry slot machine, not a woman.

Ilona is a personality and my good friend, I am meeting her again very soon and will present to her 3, 000 euro, just because she is Ilona, a stunning beautiful intellectual woman. I just like to make beautiful women happy and give to them what they deserve, that's all. And I would never pay 100 euro per one hour or 200 euro per 5 hours or. Per. Hours as it is a shame for me.

Originally Posted by Master 2008
I met this beautiful and unusual girl

http://www.vipelegantescort.org/gallery.html

Several days ago, she is beautiful and intelligent, with wonderful taste, I got the impression I met my beautiful and sexy business partner, she was perfect in maintaining the talk, bright and with fabulous sense of humor, we met for the evening so notwithstanding I got excited from the first minute I saw her, I decide to prolong pleasure and be a gentleman and waited patiently till the night, was rewarded afterwards. In bed she was perfect, under a beautiful evening dress in which she came into my room there appeared to be perfect long slim legs, sporty body with wonderful smooth a bit sun-tanned skin, perfect waist.

I was captured by her beautiful big almond-shaped eyes, wonderful smile and very pleasant soft Russian accent. She was so female and tender in bed, so playful that I prayed not to got in love with my fairy. She also gave wonderful exciting message and touched me in such a caring manner that I understood that this night we will hardly sleep, She is a really professional well-groomed courtesan, very caring hot and loving sex.