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Doubt it! Clean crisp American casual has always worked for me. Plus I do
my sit ups and walk like a man.
Gentleman Travel
05-13-10, 14:55
But when a guy is wearing an untucked polo short with a big "B" on the chest that regularly retails at $250, it's like broadcasting a message that says, "I have more money than brains and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks".
"More Money than Brains" - the ultimate aphrodisiac!
We should trademark that as a brand and sell it as watches, shoes and cars!
I operate at a certain disadvantage because I am name-brand averse.
My suits are all made by a quality Montreal bespoke tailor and none of my clothing bears any recognizable international brand, except of course my watch, which is a rugged rather than prestigious brand.
So my question is - do the girls know quality or only brand names?
I can buy a branded shirt or two if it will make an impression.
And I have often thought of buying a faux Rolex specifically for this purpose - flashing at dyevs in bars. Or can they see through a knock-off?
Doctor_Skank
05-13-10, 15:09
The biggest compliment a girl can make you is calling you a „real man“, it is what Slavic girls are groomed to be attracted to.
Defining “real man” is a bit of a challenge and of course it does leave something up to the interpretation and tastes of the individual female. Thankfully.
Certain factors always get mentioned though:
• purpose in life
• drive
• ability to make and stick to decisions
• success
• skills
Of the above listed points, in a brief encounter with a female (for example at a club) you’ll only have the opportunity to express some of the above, depending on situation.
One of the ways to express success is through clothing. It is also a way to indicate that you respect yourself enough to care how you look. Overdoing it will get you labelled a girly boy though, which is almost as bad as being a slob.
Generally, I absolutely agree with the recent posts. Dressing well will do a lot to making a good first impression, and most often that is the only chance you will get. If you know girls through other means, like work for example, and you see them more often, you’ll have more opportunity to show them your other qualities and fashion sense takes a less-important role, to the point of being label-obsessed being a negative (girlish) quality.
Girls are girls however, and your people skills… especially communication etc., become more important and more decisive depending on how much time you’ll have to speak and communicate with them. Dressing well and the initial impression it makes might just buy you that precious time you need.
So my question is - do the girls know quality or only brand names?
I can buy a branded shirt or two if it will make an impression.
They sure know quality, without a doubt.
The best brands are the brands that keep it discreet, and girls undoudtedly know it. Nowadays, the only people who enjoy covering themselves head-to-toe in a brand's initials are the "wannabe rich" local flatheads and the italian or turk sex-hungry tourists(as in Chisinau). A simple black Zegna shirt with absolutely no monogramm on it will always be more chic than any grotesquely logoed D&G or Armani stuff.
"More Money than Brains". The ultimate aphrodisiac!
We should trademark that as a brand and sell it as watches, shoes and cars!
I operate at a certain disadvantage because I am name-brand averse.
My suits are all made by a quality Montreal bespoke tailor and none of my clothing bears any recognizable international brand, except of course my watch, which is a rugged rather than prestigious brand.
So my question is. Do the girls know quality or only brand names?
I can buy a branded shirt or two if it will make an impression.
And I have often thought of buying a faux Rolex specifically for this purpose. Flashing at dyevs in bars. Or can they see through a knock-off?Dos Equis Beer 'the Most Interesting Man in the World' is really Prosal. LOL. Slavic girls express their femininity with style and flair; they demand corresponding quality in their male counterparts.
Dos Equis Beer 'the Most Interesting Man in the World' is really Prosal. LOL. Slavic girls express their femininity with style and flair; they demand corresponding quality in their male counterparts.
Oh well .. still trolling threads where you have absolutely nothing to contribute ? ...a speciality of yours obviously ...no wonder why you are under a full moderated mode. :rolleyes:
Anyway your usual wear in Thailand or Phom Penh nasty brothels - surely leather sandals with white socks, long shorts and loose-fitting tee-shirt - will not do it in FSU. Sorry.
Oh well .. still trolling threads where you have absolutely nothing to contribute ? ...a speciality of yours obviously ...no wonder why you are under a full moderated mode. :rolleyes:
Anyway your usual wear in Thailand or Phom Penh nasty brothels - surely leather sandals with white socks, long shorts and loose-fitting tee-shirt - will not do it in FSU. Sorry.Right. 10 years mongering 'extensively' in Malaysia you'd know.
AColonizer
05-15-10, 10:06
Yes, this is the fulcrum in female mindset: the "real man". Above all, about beautiful and aggressive women.
However, we know there are few real men as many as few real women in the world: 95% men are aged children, 95% women are mala fide animals.
I need to add another quality of a real man with Eastern women: a real man who knows how to make fun his own women as much as a bad man who is always ready to leave them for other women.
This is about beautiful and aggressive women.
For all the rest of "normal" appearance (pretty ugly) women, any kind of man is good just for the purpose to get a family (not for love sure). This is the reason for what I never get married: real love is with no marriage.
Instead about prostitutes, I have to remind what I see in Italy with young Slavic prostitutes: a customer could be the oldest and dirtiest man in the world, they are always ready to swallow customer's cum for 20/30 euros (and sometimes his [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) too). With no mind about dress and communication!
I am sure it is the same in all over the world. Therefore I am often shocked when men have a long travel to get some silly pussy fuckings: prostitutes work to do the filthiest things in human mind, otherwise they are not called "prostitutes"!
Orpheus said to Neo "Welcome to the real world . . . "
The biggest compliment a girl can make you is calling you a „real man“, it is what Slavic girls are groomed to be attracted to.
Defining “real man” is a bit of a challenge and of course it does leave something up to the interpretation and tastes of the individual female. Thankfully.
Certain factors always get mentioned though:
• purpose in life
• drive
• ability to make and stick to decisions
• success
• skills
Of the above listed points, in a brief encounter with a female (for example at a club) you’ll only have the opportunity to express some of the above, depending on situation.
One of the ways to express success is through clothing. It is also a way to indicate that you respect yourself enough to care how you look. Overdoing it will get you labelled a girly boy though, which is almost as bad as being a slob.
Generally, I absolutely agree with the recent posts. Dressing well will do a lot to making a good first impression, and most often that is the only chance you will get. If you know girls through other means, like work for example, and you see them more often, you’ll have more opportunity to show them your other qualities and fashion sense takes a less-important role, to the point of being label-obsessed being a negative (girlish) quality.
Girls are girls however, and your people skills… especially communication etc., become more important and more decisive depending on how much time you’ll have to speak and communicate with them. Dressing well and the initial impression it makes might just buy you that precious time you need.
Right. 10 years mongering 'extensively' in Malaysia you'd know.
Impressing. 10 years fuking semi-enslaved prostitutes in mass service Heath Centers with other dozens thousands of filthy asian woremongers.
You're a true pioneer elite monger. Bravo.
CastOnThis
05-16-10, 21:49
Impressing. 10 years fuking semi-enslaved prostitutes in mass service Heath Centers with other dozens thousands of filthy asian woremongers.
You're a true pioneer elite monger. Bravo.Dude, that was pretty offensive. To be honest, a hooker is a hooker regardless of where is from. I wouldn't want to have sex with an Asian hooker, because I heard most Asian women like white guys so what is the point of paying? I can understand with Russian women why.
I do plan on eventually mongering overseas Russia and Ukraine, are top destinations for me. But if someone wants to monger in Asia then ok but you didn't need to say what you did.
Why do people say Say "dude" before trying to say something serious? Zingadong got the reply he asked for, but quiet on the Eastern front please, you've gone and woken Acolonizer! and you know what that means ) Zingadork's silly reply wasn't even worthy of comment. The greatest show of power is in restraint. Speaking of which its about time Moscow had indoor Tochka's like St Petersburg?
So my question is - do the girls know quality or only brand names?...........Or can they see through a knock-off?
GT, Hell of a question. Off the cuff I would say that most of the girls that any of us mongers stand a chance with recognize the brand rather than the quality. They have learned to recognize brands as an indicator of wealth. I think most of urban Russia is still going through some degree of development of a middle class. They have only been engaged in western style capitalism for less than 20 years so only the youngest teens have grown up with true consumer level quality goods. Of course, the Soviet Elite had access to foreign quality consumer goods, but the female children of late Soviet Elitny are probably married to oligarchs, running their own businesses, or occupying roles in Russian society that look down their noses at most of us.
So, if you are decked out in faux fashion to attract a comely young devushka, chances are she will not know the difference. Having said that, there is a certain real estate broker I know (in the biblical sense) who is in her late 30's and has impeccable taste in terms of quality and style. Mind you, her father was a member of the communist party and held a fairly respectable post in the academy of sciences....... so I guess I made my own point.
Just as an aside - I am back in Dubai today after a very quick and unscheduled side trip to Russia. One night in Tyumen (will report later in the proper spot) and the weekend in Moscow. There has been a certain amount written about Russian and other CIS girls who "work" in Dubai and frequent such bars as Rattlesnake and the Mariner's Lounge in the Seaview. After being Dubai for a week, taking a side trip to Russia and now being back in Dubai, I can tell you without hesitation that the CIS girls in Dubai are decidedly the "B - Team". No comparison. IMHO.
After being Dubai for a week, taking a side trip to Russia and now being back in Dubai, I can tell you without hesitation that the CIS girls in Dubai are decidedly the "B - Team". No comparison. IMHO.Jake,
Couldn't agree more. My first experience of CIS girls was in Dubai, and for a few years there they were my only choice when there. I also think the quality of the CIS girls has declined in the Emirates over the last few years.
The girls I've met over the past few years in Russia itself have been twice as good as those I met regularly in Dubai. In general, those I meet in Russia are alot younger than those in the UAE, and seem less jaded...if that's the right way to describe it...
Cheers
One night in Tyumen (will report later in the proper spot)
Would be really interesting to hear about Tyumen. From what I noticed on my favorite dating site (which is nor mamba and nor LL :)), the place seems to be swarming with truly hot girls. Furthermore, my fav contact there sent me pics of the city, and it seems to be rather pleasant (by russian standarts), with many historic buildings.
Couldn't settle if Tyumen was in Ural or Siberia though. :confused:
Oh well. Still trolling threads where you have absolutely nothing to contribute?. A speciality of yours obviously. No wonder why you are under a full moderated mode.
Anyway your usual wear in Thailand or Phom Penh nasty brothels. Surely leather sandals with white socks, long shorts and loose-fitting tee-shirt. Will not do it in FSU. Sorry. Deferring to your expertise here. Years of your 365thai posts show your extensive experience in this area.
Why do people say Say "dude" before trying to say something serious? Zingadong got the reply he asked for, but quiet on the Eastern front please, you've gone and woken Acolonizer! and you know what that means ) Zingadork's silly reply wasn't even worthy of comment. The greatest show of power is in restraint. Speaking of which its about time Moscow had indoor Tochka's like St Petersburg?Thanks Nicksy for giving the reply I asked for. you da man, dude. no need to restrain yourself.
Tyumen is Siberian city under category "near Siberia" close to Ural.
Passing Ural first comes Ekaterinburg, Tyumen, Omsk, Novosibirsk.
Tyumen has hot girls, lots of german blood from 18th century and polish blood from 1944. Current Miss Russia is from Tyumen I think.
Girls in Tyumen don't fall for money since Tyumen has oil based economy and is in top 5 russian areas in income.
One night in Tyumen is definitelly not enough!
Jake,
The girls I've met over the past few years in Russia itself have been twice as good as those I met regularly in Dubai. In general, those I meet in Russia are alot younger than those in the UAE, and seem less jaded...if that's the right way to describe it...Cheers
I might add that Singapore, Hong Kong and Macau are the CIS B team as well, and they charge more than the A team back in Russia.
The last 2 girls i've meet in Moscow were not only young and beautiful but also happy and pleasant company. In Singpore the B team hang out at Brix
Bar and you'ld be lucky if they even talk to anyone and they start at absurd prices. You say hello and they snarl. Cheers Nickc
CherchezFemme
05-21-10, 21:12
I read the following post by prosal and I have 2 questions, stupid as they may seem : this is referring to try to pick up girls for free, right?
The other question is : is it worth it to go to Russia for 2 weeks and try to pick up girls off the street or in clubs ? Can someone who speaks Russian and has money expect to have some success?
+1. Slavic girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress to the tens, and anything less than a equally well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and class will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.
Personally in EE/FSU I dress in upper-quality and non-monogrammed (being classy but non ostentatious is an important point IMO, and anyway looooong gone are the days when Russian girls were impressed by ostentatiously logoed clothes) Zegna, P.Zileri or Boss casual line clothing. Shoes are also overly important, and in that respect nothing can beat a pair of Santoni or Berluti.
The other question is : is it worth it to go to Russia for 2 weeks and try to pick up girls off the street or in clubs ? Can someone who speaks Russian and has money expect to have some success?
Конечно! But if you speak Russian, the desperation factor is higher in the provinces and you'll likely have even better luck there. And, well... it's a helluvalot cheaper. You don't even have to go that far out of Moscow to appreciate the difference. Nearby towns like Vladimir, Sergeev Posad and Tver' have tons of smokin' hot girls who'd love to have a foreigner drop some coin on them, and give you exactly what you're looking for in return.
One night in Tyumen is definitelly not enough! I spent one night in Tyumen last week. In fact it wasn't really a whole night at all. I arrived at 4:40 AM on a Thursday morning and then left again on the Friday morning at on the 6:00 AM flight. However, what I did see was both impressive and encouraging.
I stayed at the "QUALITY" Hotel or the Tyumen Hotel. It seems be known by both names. It's not cheap at $220 a night for a single but has a good lobby bar with a few nice looking regular WG's and a disco downstairs called Manhattan. I am also told that behind the hotel across the street is an Irish Pub and next door to that is another disco whose name I have forgotten.
Because my time was so short it was all business with little time for play. However, I was watching and noting the movement of the babes and I must say I was impressed. the guys I was with were "curious" and waved a few girls over to chat about he weather although none were making a move to "contract their services". And while they were not quite at Moscow standards, they were all well dressed, groomed and mannered. Good bodies, nice teeth and hair. I would have screwed anyone of about a dozen we say that night. Thee were some semi-pros that came around that they regular girls objected to. It was hilarious watching them try to pressure the young security guy to throw them out. As the security guy would escort them to the door, one of us would go up and rescue them telling the security dude that she was with us. This went on for about an hour when the regular girls came over and asked us what the fuck we thought were were doing? In hindsight I suppose it was all a bit sophomoric but were were toasted on Vodka and beer.
Clearly, we had upset the natural order of things and offended them. We made amends with drinks and I wished to heck I had not been with colleagues and was catching the 6:00 AM flight otherwise I would have sampled the local talents.
Anyhow - there it is. Tyumen in 25 hours and 20 minutes. Will I return - absolutely!!!!!!!
Oh!!! I almost forgot, these girls were asking $120 ST and $200 all night. Not cheap but a damn sight cheaper than Moscow and we were probably at the Tyumen equivalent of Night Flight.
I can just picture this, too funny!
It was hilarious watching them try to pressure the young security guy to throw them out. As the security guy would escort them to the door, one of us would go up and rescue them telling the security dude that she was with us. This went on for about an hour when the regular girls came over and asked us what the fuck we thought were were doing? In hindsight I suppose it was all a bit sophomoric but were were toasted on Vodka and beer.
I'll be spending a couple of days in Yekaterinburg next month, I hope I get something close to the talent you saw in Tyumen!
Passepartout
05-24-10, 18:45
Some friends went there recently, all of them scored, i mean spent a whole night with a freebie met in clubs. Desesparation factor at its best! Not far from Moscow.
Stravinsky
05-24-10, 21:02
PPt,
Слава Бога! (praise God) It's good to see that someone in Moscow is having a good time. And for free, no less.
Keep us updated.
Moscow Masters group, I have a request and questions to you all, perhaps you can help me out.
It's been nearly 5 years since my last venture to Moscow and I am sure things have changed a LOT!! Plus my absolute non use of my limited Russian in the meanwhile, plus my old friend California Traveler (CT) no longer being resident in Moscow, means I might as well consider myself a newbie.
I'll be coming to Moscow early part of July for a couple of weeks, when I hear the streets and the talent desert Moscow for their annual rest or return home from school or out to the dachas. Is this a lost cause?
I recall way back then, there was some guy, who hired himself out as a driver and wingman of sorts to hit the nightspots and even do some translating, is such a person still available? Or are any of you masters in town to possibly help out an former Moscow monger?
I assume that Moscow-Star (CT used to manage it himself, I hear Rick is the manager now) is still a good apartment rental outift, so that's what I'll probably use again.
And I hear that the places to haunt are now Coyote Ugly,Che, Aurora 911, and Bardo. And Hot Dog, formerly the BoarHouse/Chesterfields is to be avoided, along with NF and that the Safari Lounge is no longer in business.
Any advice from the Moscow Masters is much appreciated.
AColonizer
05-30-10, 13:03
Hi. I am fascinated about Siberian towns, but Russia is too big to be visited!
My first Slavic woman (the best) is an Ukrainian with family origin in Naberezhnye Chelny. I met another cat's eyed woman, in Moscow, from Tomsk, and wow!
Kurenda, in your opinion, what is the best town where to find tall, slim, cat's eyed women?
And about Tyumen, why did German and Polish go there?
Tyumen is Siberian city under category "near Siberia" close to Ural.
Passing Ural first comes Ekaterinburg, Tyumen, Omsk, Novosibirsk.
Tyumen has hot girls, lots of german blood from 18th century and Polish blood from 1944. Current Miss Russia is from Tyumen I think.
Girls in Tyumen don't fall for money since Tyumen has oil based economy and is in top 5 Russian areas in income.
One night in Tyumen is definitelly not enough!
CastOnThis
05-30-10, 19:58
Moscow Masters group, I have a request and questions to you all, perhaps you can help me out.
It's been nearly 5 years since my last venture to Moscow and I am sure things have changed a LOT!! Plus my absolute non use of my limited Russian in the meanwhile, plus my old friend California Traveler (CT) no longer being resident in Moscow, means I might as well consider myself a newbie.
I'll be coming to Moscow early part of July for a couple of weeks, when I hear the streets and the talent desert Moscow for their annual rest or return home from school or out to the dachas. Is this a lost cause?
I recall way back then, there was some guy, who hired himself out as a driver and wingman of sorts to hit the nightspots and even do some translating, is such a person still available? Or are any of you masters in town to possibly help out an former Moscow monger?
I assume that Moscow-Star (CT used to manage it himself, I hear Rick is the manager now) is still a good apartment rental outift, so that's what I'll probably use again.
And I hear that the places to haunt are now Coyote Ugly,Che, Aurora 911, and Bardo. And Hot Dog, formerly the BoarHouse/Chesterfields is to be avoided, along with NF and that the Safari Lounge is no longer in business.
Any advice from the Moscow Masters is much appreciated.Whats Bardo?
Whats Bardo?
He means Bordo - the strip club in Kitai Gorod on that street that no one remembers the name of. :)
Yes, summers are slim pickings indeed - and not just in Moscow but in any major city in summer. Steamy, sweaty, stinky... Remember that the government cycles off people's hot water for 3 weeks at a time and some neglect to bathe at all during that period. The only good news is that the exodus means that you can use city streets to get from point A to point B again due to fewer cars. Oh, and the lack of clothing on the tanned deffki who just returned from Bali, Mavriki or Maldives.
God, how I wish we had a wiki here. Then we could have nice, easy-to-navigate and up-to-date sections for p4p and freebies and subsections for salons, tochki, strip clubs, mamba, regular clubs, etc...
I haven't been out for a while due to ridiculous amounts of work, but on my last visits, Coyote Ugly was hopping with young co-eds, and Parizhskaya Zhizn (where Doc and I ran into Passepartout by complete chance while quaffing our draft Guinnesses) was bouncing with desperate, drunk 30-somethings looking for some relief - any relief - from their dreary single-mom, secretarial existences. That was a little too much reality show for yours truly... but unfortunately Che was even worse (at least what I remember of it). I had to call in a girl to join us at 4am, as the talent there was so bad, some of the guys were starting to look do-able in comparison.
As for HD and NF being marked "to be avoided", it really depends on your MO. If hooker bars are your thing, there are regrettably no other options. But I do end up at HD more often than I like to admit, particularly after a disappointing night out on the town.
Guys -- any other new clubs worth talking about?
Noticed that Penthouse Club and its more legitimate business sibling Prime 21 Steakhouse seem to be operational. I'm a bit leary of any sex-oriented business on a major street (NF anyone?), but curious nonetheless. Anyone been there yet? What's the format, prices, level of service, etc?
Oh, and the lack of clothing on the tanned deffki who just returned from Bali, Mavriki or Maldives.
Gonna surely spend (after visiting a few places in Georgia with long-term georgian GF) some three weeks in Moscow from Aug 25 till Sep 13. Hopefully the city will be swarming with suntanned and horny dyevs returned from vacations!
Grimly negotiated with Korston Hotel and got a VERY good rate (long stay) at 4000 rub taxes and bkft included for a Comfort Room. That is indeed a GREAT rate for Moscow.
Parizhskaya Zhizn was bouncing with desperate, drunk 30-somethings looking for some relief - any relief - from their dreary single-mom, secretarial existences.
The best target !! Just thinking about such an heavenly place I'm drooling on the keyboard !! :)
Grimly negotiated with Korston Hotel and got a VERY good rate (long stay) at 4000 rub taxes and bkft included for a Comfort Room. That is indeed a GREAT rate for Moscow.
Damn! Good job, Prosal!
The best target !! Just thinking about such an heavenly place I'm drooling on the keyboard !! :)
Yeah, as Doc and I were eying the crowd at ПЖ, we were both thinking... "now this isn't our target demographic [meaning, 25 and under], but a lot of guys on ISG would probably be eating this up." Ppt seemed to be liking it too, as when we left for Che, he said that he and his buddies would stay and see what the drunken sluts would do next.
Damn! Good job, Prosal!
BTW my initial choice in Moscow was Mamaison Pokrovka, which seems to be a delightful "boutique hotel". They seem also willing to considerably lower the prices, as they offered a One Bedroom Deluxe Suite (60 sq meters) for 7500 rub taxes included (unfortunately out of my budget) which is almost half the rake rate.
Do hotels in Russia finally understood that negotiation was part of the deal, or is it a consequence of the krisis ? (or a mix of both maybe)
BTW my initial choice in Moscow was Mamaison Pokrovka, which seems to be a delightful "boutique hotel". They seemed also eager to considerably lower the price, as they offered a One Bedroom Deluxe Suite (60 sq meters) for 7500 rub taxes included (unfortunatly out of my budget) which is almost half the rake rate.
Do hotels in Russia finally understood that negotiation was part of the deal, or is it a consequence of the krisis ? (or a mix of both maybe)
Yes, that is a nice hotel.
I think it's a mix of the crisis and the fact that more hotels are finally coming online. For example, the old "Gostinitsa Ukraina" just reopened after a couple years or more of remodelling. It's now the Radisson Royal, complete with its own river boats which cruise year-round. And then there's the new Renaissance on Leningradka. And there are a lot more in the works, so hopefully this is a trend which won't reverse when we eventually pull out of this economic slump.
CastOnThis
05-31-10, 13:49
Yeah, as Doc and I were eying the crowd at?, we were both thinking. "now this isn't our target demographic [meaning, 25 and under], but a lot of guys on ISG would probably be eating this up. " Ppt seemed to be liking it too, as when we left for Che, he said that he and his buddies would stay and see what the drunken sluts would do next.Wait I got a question. Moscow during the summer is filled with 25 and under girls? Right? So that means if I go to Moscow in August there will still be young hot women there? The women you talked about returning from vacation all tanned are the old women and not the young women?
Wait I got a question. Moscow during the summer is filled with 25 and under girls? Right? So that means if I go to Moscow in August there will still be young hot women there? The women you talked about returning from vacation all tanned are the old women and not the young women?
Of course not all the girls leave for vacation and dacha en masse. But like the streets, the clubs are visibly less crowded during the summer. Which makes it more likely for you to pass feis kontrol, but less likely to hook up once you're inside due to lack of talent.
Of course not all the girls leave for vacation and dacha en masse. But like the streets, the clubs are visibly less crowded during the summer.
Pizdyets,
That's an interesting comment.
Have you bothered making your way out to the likes of Pereslavl-Zalessky, for example, in summer to take advantage of the rising oestregen levels?
Ooops sorry; I mean mercury levels, of course. :)
Have you bothered making your way out to the likes of Pereslavl-Zalessky, for example, in summer to take advantage of the rising oestregen levels?
Ooops sorry; I mean mercury levels, of course. :)
I have indeed been to most of the "Golden Ring" towns, including Pereslavl-Zalessky, and as I've written here before, the desperation factor and affordability is much better than in Moscow - even if they're located less than 2 hours outside. Passepartout confirmed this on a recent trip to Kaluga (about 3 hours SW of Moscow). That said, you'd better have some Russian speaking skills in this case, as English won't be as prevalent in the boonies.
But the summer doldrums will play equally across all cities including these satellites, and trying to hook up with girls at dacha will prove difficult unless it's through personal contacts (for example, you're invited to a friend or colleague's dacha). It's not that the girls won't be interested... it's just frame of mind and lack of critical mass.
Passepartout
06-02-10, 19:08
altenative option to Che; who is really worst and worst (last friday at 1.00 AM there was 70 or 80% of men...i had the feeling to be in western europe...).
Pancho Villa is located on bolchaya Yakimanka, and it is a big latino club. Mainly a restaurant (where as usual the mexican food is only acceptable after few beers and tekila) but with a band playing live and huge place to dance, always crowded.
Best parties are on thursday night when all single secretaries and PA wants some fun after work.
Go there between 21.00 and 22.00 if you don't want to miss the action. Rate of scoring always depend on your personal skills but are not bad due to the crowd and due to the latin music.
Other really good club are located near Rai (rolling stone, Mao) but face control is severe. If you want to try, go early. These clubs are more for the fun and being in a place with top models. Scoring there is highly difficult, unless you are really good looking or really rich, or both.
Vigilantemoscow
06-02-10, 19:10
Pizdyets,
I actually do not share the enthusiasm expressed in the forum about Coyote Ugly. Been there two or three times and found the ratio male: female not very favourable and the most flirty girl was actually one of the waitress downstairs who seemed genuinely interested. Music veeeery cheesy.
I have tried a couple of times getting into Che (with female company) and was rejected but I am still curious about it after so much good PR here. I am still in search of a night club which I like 100%.
For me the best of Moscow are not clubs but cafes. The possibility of drinking and eating at almost any time of the day in so many places it is something pretty much unique. I might have tried more than 30 of them and I think they can be good hunting places when you have the balls to "invite yourself" to another table (at the risk of course of having to pick her tab without any returns!
Vigilantexx
He means Bordo. The strip club in Kitai Gorod on that street that no one remembers the name of.
Yes, summers are slim pickings indeed. And not just in Moscow but in any major city in summer. Steamy, sweaty, stinky. Remember that the government cycles off people's hot water for 3 weeks at a time and some neglect to bathe at all during that period. The only good news is that the exodus means that you can use city streets to get from point A to point B again due to fewer cars. Oh, and the lack of clothing on the tanned deffki who just returned from Bali, Mavriki or Maldives.
God, how I wish we had a wiki here. Then we could have nice, easy-to-navigate and up-to-date sections for p4p and freebies and subsections for salons, tochki, strip clubs, mamba, regular clubs, etc.
I haven't been out for a while due to ridiculous amounts of work, but on my last visits, Coyote Ugly was hopping with young co-eds, and Parizhskaya Zhizn (where Doc and I ran into Passepartout by complete chance while quaffing our draft Guinnesses) was bouncing with desperate, drunk 30-somethings looking for some relief. Any relief. From their dreary single-mom, secretarial existences. That was a little too much reality show for yours truly. But unfortunately Che was even worse (at least what I remember of it). I had to call in a girl to join us at 4am, as the talent there was so bad, some of the guys were starting to look do-able in comparison.
As for HD and NF being marked "to be avoided", it really depends on your MO. If hooker bars are your thing, there are regrettably no other options. But I do end up at HD more often than I like to admit, particularly after a disappointing night out on the town.
Guys. Any other new clubs worth talking about?
Rate of scoring always depend on your personal skills but are not bad due to the crowd and due to the latin music.
Just a question to you guys, residents or frequent visitors: how do you manage to deal with multiple GFs (I'm not talking about club sluts or fuck buddies, but real GFs) in Moscow ?
I mean, we all know that Russian women are at 1000% involved in their relationships when they really fancy and respect you .....and that they are the most fervent, emotionally generous and enthusiastic creatures on the planet. Not even talking of their need for long, passionate and no-holds barred sex ..and their avidity for romanticism and sweet talking. So how to juggle with more than two or three such women? ....it seems really difficult, even if you are yourself a manipulating "professional" monger. Those slavs girls are simply too intelligent and too genuinely passionate to be played with. IMHO.
I have two (emotionally very involved) GFs in Moscow and really don't know, when I will be in town, how I will be able to conciliate those relationships with mongering vacations.
And what about the new girls you score in clubs? ....some (many?) could be not "just" drunk party girls or one-night-stands, but also priceless potential GFs ..so this could just add to the problem !!!
Any advices ??
For me the best of Moscow are not clubs but cafes. I might have tried more than 30 of them and I think they can be good hunting places
Would you mind mentionning your favorites ?
Spanish Fly
06-02-10, 22:44
how do you manage your GFs (I'm not talking about club sluts or fuck buddies, but real GFs) in Moscow ?
After only 5 years of mix business/pleasure trips to Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine, I am still a zillion years behind Doc and other long-time contributors to this forum, but I have managed to collect a nice number of GF and semi-GF during my trips, and I can try to give you my humble and personal view....
First of all, you are right and accurate in your description of a Russian GF, but the part that MAYBE you still don't fully understand is that, thanks to old motherland, we MEN are in charge.
YOU choose when, where and with whom you meet. Always with respect to those beautiful and intelligent girls, but I often use business dinners and gatherings with partners to have the perfect alibi...
"Yes, darling, I am free tonight... we will meet....", or simply... "no, it is impossible, I have a late dinner with partners/friends/clients and I really don't know when I will finish... probably VERY late....".
Russian girls are USED to this... Some of our russian counterparts treat them far worse than you would ever imagine... too many times preferring getting drunk with a couple of vodka bottles and 3 other old mates than their cute 22 y.o. girlfriend who is crazy to get some attention.
In general, simply don't go to the same places (bars, clubs, restaurants) with both girls, and NEVER make too much planning in advance ("yes, I will contact you later/tomorrow and I will tell you if we can meet or not"), and very promptly and very directly, discourage any attempt of staying in your flat/apartment "waiting for you to get home" (or one of my particular nightmares, to come to my apartment in the middle of the night with little or no clothes on under the coat, but without any PRIOR warning... (so, chances are that you are with some other girl(s).
My last suggestion is a little bit more complicated but VERY VERY convenient.... and for sure one of my favorites lately... Turn one of your GFs into the "dark side" of bisexuality (if she is not already!), and have HER finding new girls for you every other night... If you can get ANY of your two girls into that... (nothing SO impossible, believe me) simply drop the other girl and enjoy your time in Moscow!
I can't wait to be back! Due to this stupid crisis, I have already missed most of the late and warm spring! But the end of school is round the corner... one of my favorites weeks in Russia for hunting....
Regards,
SF
Thanks for your answer ; it contains usefull and valid considerations about Russian girls psyche.
Strangeman
06-03-10, 05:07
Spanish Fly, et al, pardon a newbie here, but are you saying that the non-pro/GF scene in the area is viable for an average/normal western guy?
From the grumblings I'd gathered from RTFF, it seemed that in Russia and Ukraine there was zero possibility for a western guy to have any non-pro/GF action unless you were filthy rich, a fashion model, rock star or a good liar :) Is this an incorrect assumption?
Noticed that Penthouse Club and its more legitimate business sibling Prime 21 Steakhouse seem to be operational. I'm a bit leary of any sex-oriented business on a major street (NF anyone?), but curious nonetheless. Anyone been there yet? What's the format, prices, level of service, etc?
Having heard a lot about it, decided to pay a visit to The Penthouse Club yesterday evening. General impression, pleasantly surprised.
Wednesdays is some sort of expat evening with free entrance, beers at half price plus other promotions. The normal entry is R,1,000.
Impressive entrance with an escalator that takes you up to the 2nd floor. Hostesses not so special but once inside you are surrounded by naked women. There is a large bar (barmaids topless) and many seating options around the dance floor. The format is similar to Aurora, girls dance, strip and then approach for lap dances. Lap dances are R.100(the spirit of Safari Lodges continues!) and private dances are available at R.1000
The choice of girls is impressive and even the waitresses strip. So much naked flesh in such a small area including 2 most sensuous black girls.
Did not imbibe yesterday but evidently on the ground floor there is a ‘hotel’ where you can rent rooms for R.3,000, girls cost R.7,000
Very much a P4P but classy and relaxed. Maybe we should arrange an ISG Moscow summit here in the next days? PM me if interested.
d arrange an ISG Moscow summit here in the next days? PM me if interested.
Too funny - Doc and I were there last night as well!
Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't). Felt the smoking-hot African girl up close. Bodies don't get much better than that, but somehow it just feels wrong in Moscow. :)
altenative option to Che; who is really worst and worst (last friday at 1.00 AM there was 70 or 80% of men...i had the feeling to be in western europe...).
Agree with you 200%, Ppt. Doc and I were there last night, and it was horrible. Packed, but as you said, almost all guys. Had a few uglies hitting on us, but all the hot girls were with dates (didn't stop us from trying however :) )
We were flummoxed in general. Sun-Wed typically sucks in Moscow. We hit Penthouse at the beginning, then Che, then HotDog, then Propaganda, then Che again. There were hot girls in every place, but all were taken, or in the case of HD, too expensive. Doc asked the hottest girl there how much it'd be, and she wouldn't go lower than 5 bens. And we both guessed that it'd be ST for that price. That said, she was ridiculously hot. For LT, it'd be a fair price.
Pizdyets,
I actually do not share the enthusiasm expressed in the forum about Coyote Ugly. Been there two or three times and found the ratio male: female not very favourable and the most flirty girl was actually one of the waitress downstairs who seemed genuinely interested. Music veeeery cheesy.
Yes, the music is... well... if you like American retro, then it's your dream bar. Last visit, there were 2:1 girl to guys. I'm not shitting you. Maybe it's gone downhill since then.
I have tried a couple of times getting into Che (with female company) and was rejected but I am still curious about it after so much good PR here. I am still in search of a night club which I like 100%.
Me too. Che is not all that. The main thing about Che is that it's got people pretty much 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. I'll be in other bars, listening to the crickets chirp, and then go to Che and it'll be fucking packed. The problem these days is that it's mainly just guys there. We need to find another good pick-up joint, and soon.
For me the best of Moscow are not clubs but cafes. The possibility of drinking and eating at almost any time of the day in so many places it is something pretty much unique. I might have tried more than 30 of them and I think they can be good hunting places when you have the balls to "invite yourself" to another table (at the risk of course of having to pick her tab without any returns!
Funny enough, we were listening to a partner of mine last night saying the exact same thing. One of his neighbors is banging girls all the time which he picks up at the cafe on the ground floor of his apartment building. If you have the balls, I can believe it.
Spanish Fly, et al, pardon a newbie here, but are you saying that the non-pro/GF scene in the area is viable for an average/normal western guy?
From the grumblings I'd gathered from RTFF, it seemed that in Russia and Ukraine there was zero possibility for a western guy to have any non-pro/GF action unless you were filthy rich, a fashion model, rock star or a good liar :) Is this an incorrect assumption?
100% incorrect. The freebie scene here is fantastic if you have any game at all.
CastOnThis
06-03-10, 13:39
100% incorrect. The freebie scene here is fantastic if you have any game at all.What do you mean by game though? Like what do you say that is game to get a girl to have sex with you? I'am very inexperienced so I was just curious.
AColonizer
06-03-10, 16:48
Pardon, Pizdyets, you forgot what is the typical man: if a man is not a good hunter (the game) in his own country, he can't be a good hunter (the game) in Russia in a very limited time, of course.
Therefore Russian-background or/and cool-style or/and filthy-rich are normal requirements in the present Russia, with no illusions.
The best solution is to find a good job in Russia and to live there with those fantastic women (as somebody has already written in the past).
Instead, to marry a Russian woman and take that to a Western country will become a problem because the Russian woman will behave at the same way of Western women in few years.
Moreover Moscow is one the most expensive city in the world. Therefore it is a good idea to look for in little-touristical towns, but how many Western men know Russian background to go in little-touristical towns?
100% incorrect. The freebie scene here is fantastic if you have any game at all.
Passepartout
06-03-10, 17:32
Too funny - Doc and I were there last night as well!
Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't). Felt the smoking-hot African girl up close. Bodies don't get much better than that, but somehow it just feels wrong in Moscow. :)
hey mates, call me next time!!
Passepartout
06-03-10, 17:42
Just a question to you guys, residents or frequent visitors: how do you manage to deal with multiple GFs (I'm not talking about club sluts or fuck buddies, but real GFs) in Moscow ?
You are right, it's a good question.
I have 5 "partners" in Moscow (don't know if I can call them girlfriends or not). Of course this is impossible to get real GF invested into the relationship. This is why i try to have the following balance:
- 1 and only one real GF invested, and with her I manage to protect my private life easily (no keys; business excuses and so on)
- all the rests are "sport"partners who knows the kind of guy i am and i, in return, never ask questions too.
This is my advice to keep a nice sexual life: to get only 1 real GF and all the rests are girls who wants fun like you, and in Moscow that's alrady enough to be an happy man.
Tricks to protects privacy life:
- no keys
- native community "meetings"
- sport after work
- business meetings
that can free already 3 or 4 night during the week.
The week-end is a more difficult target. Hopefully she will have a mama to see in Iaroslaval or somewhere :-)
Too funny - Doc and I were there last night as well!
Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't). Felt the smoking-hot African girl up close. Bodies don't get much better than that, but somehow it just feels wrong in Moscow. :) Last month I was in Moscow and had a "meeting" with a "friend" of mine who is a dancer at Aurora 911. During pillow talk, she told me about Penthouse Club and told me I should go sometime (I should mention that since I have started banging this girl I don't really feel compelled to see her at work so I don't go there anymore) and that she thought I would like it.
Anyhow, I asked "why" she thought I should go and visit the Penthouse Club and she told me that it was designed to cater to foreigners and I might feel more comfortable there as opposed to Aurora. Curious about her response I pursued the answer further and begged her to expand on what she meant. I could see that she was choosing her words carefully (partially because her English is at about the same level as my Russian) but she said that MOST (but not all) foreign guys who come into Aurora don't have a lot of money. She went on to say that most of the regular Russian guys who visit Aurora 911 will drop between $1,500 and $1,800 in a visit not including a trip to the "sex" room. It's not uncommon for a Russian to spend 150k rubles for a night of fun at Aurora and from time to time one of the regular oligarchs who visits will buy "days off" for girls if he likes them, thinks they look tired and need a rest. By contrast, the average foreigner will spend $350 plus any trips to the sex room.
She went on to say that it's why the hostess will normally seat foreigners at the bar instead of on a couch because they know we're not going to drop a whole lot of coin there and management does not want us taking up valuable couch space if we're not going to spend a lot of cash. The manager will send a few girls by the bar just for appearances sake but that's about it.
According to "Dancing Queen", it's why they started Penthouse Club, located it on Arbat Street and set those affordable prices - to keep us the heck out of Aurora 911!!!!!! I am not sure if she's feeding me a line of bullshit but if it's true then it sure explains a few things.
BTW - according to her, they have settled their "immigration problems", found the right government sponsor and are happily back up to full operating capacity. As far as she's concerned, the "crisis in Moscow is officially over".
Sex Wanderer
06-03-10, 21:27
Hi guys and senior members,
My friend told me that you can get vietnamese girls for sex in russia moscow. So do any of you have any leads or address that I can try them? Hungry for asian babes in Russia.
Anybody been there ?
Just looking at the site my wallet shudders.
http://www.km19.ru/
Sex Wanderer
06-03-10, 21:32
where to find vietnamese babes for sex in moscow? heard it is operating. do you know where?
Sex Wanderer
06-03-10, 21:46
Anyone know where in Moscow I can find vietnamese girls for sex? Please give me the address and who to contact. Thanks a lot mate.
Passepartout
06-03-10, 22:58
Jake,
thanks a lot for the report: very informative. I see that we both had the same kind of friend, and this is why I do not go there too often.
Prosal,
19 is the official competitor of Aurora, many reports here (i have the member card which gives free entrance and skidki for drinks). Main difference is that every 5 minutes a girl will show up for lap dance so be prepared for that. imho that's what you are looking for in a strip club, aren't you?
In comparison, aurora can be boring sometimes with 20 minutes or more without lap dance (probably the explanation is given by Jack below)
Sex is more expensive in 19, negotiate! but it's a good club
What do you mean by game though? Like what do you say that is game to get a girl to have sex with you? I'am very inexperienced so I was just curious.
Yes, "Game" is the set of skills necessary to pick up women: how to approach, how to get her interested in you, how to get into her pants, and so on. Of course it also helps to be reasonably good-looking, well dressed/groomed and above all - confident.
Can someone post the address of the Penthouse Club on Arbat Street? Also, what is the best way to get there from the Marriott Royal Aurora Hotel? Can you take the subway? Also what time does the Club open? Is there any afternoon action or just evenigs? Thank you for any information you can provide.
Canyon
I have indeed been to most of the "Golden Ring" towns, including Pereslavl-Zalessky, and as I've written here before, the desperation factor and affordability is much better than in Moscow - even if they're located less than 2 hours outside. Passepartout confirmed this on a recent trip to Kaluga (about 3 hours SW of Moscow). That said, you'd better have some Russian speaking skills in this case, as English won't be as prevalent in the boonies.
Pizdyets,
Yes, this I undertand alright.
Fumbled my way through Vladimir and Suzdal a while back.
A fairly hectic 72 hour freebie-fest which kicked off on the elektrichka of all places.
(Even allowing for limited Russian skills).
The one that surprised me was Suzdal.
Many visitors during the day but not too many linger after dark when the locals come out to play.
(And I do mean dark, due of a deficit of street lighting!)
Limited amount of venues so everyone eventually ends up at Landsia disco bar in the wee hours.
Here be many possibilities :)
Its 21 Novy Arbat which is the Lotte Plaza end of Arbat. Best to take a taxi from the Marriott. It opens at 21:00 and closes at 06:00
We are looking at getting a group together next Wednesday, join us if you are in town
Can someone post the address of the Penthouse Club on Arbat Street? Also, what is the best way to get there from the Marriott Royal Aurora Hotel? Can you take the subway? Also what time does the Club open? Is there any afternoon action or just evenigs? Thank you for any information you can provide.
Canyon
Prosal,
19 is the official competitor of Aurora, many reports here (i have the member card which gives free entrance and skidki for drinks). Main difference is that every 5 minutes a girl will show up for lap dance so be prepared for that. imho that's what you are looking for in a strip club, aren't you?
Right !! .... I love strip bars, yet, as I said in another thread, I guess I am spoiled by Tashkent, where in strip bars (or better say "in the closest thing to a strip bar you can get in Tashkent"), the lap dancing costs 3000 UZS (us$ 1.5) and the lady’s drinks go for the same rate as the customer’s, i.e a longneck beer is 4000 UZS and a vodka shot 3000 UZS (silly champagne cocktails have not arrived yet in Uzbekistan). In all, a heavy night (10pm-6am) at FM strip bar (a strip bar and a drinking hole under one roof, where most girls are absolutely stunning) with multiple lap dancings/neck massages, multiple drinks for self and girls plus if necessary some hookas and chocolate boxes for girls when they come to rest and chat at my table, costs me some 300 000 UZS (us$ 150)!!
A oligarch-style night out in Tashkent has financially not the same consequences than in Moscow !! :o
Tricks to protects privacy life:
- no keys
- native community "meetings"
- sport after work
- business meetings
+1. The number one thing I personally say to a girl if I plan to go somewhere, or when I meet her, is that I first come to visit an "old friend who works at the embassy" (or "at the Alliance Francaise", that has some 1100 branches in the world) or this kind of BS. This effectively allows not only to find excuses for evenings and nights out without her, but also brush aside the suspicion of sex-tourism.
"success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."
- winston churchill
it all started innocently enough. no, it wasn't a dark and stormy night - it was actually quite pleasant, temps near 20c with the crescent moon hanging optimistically in the midnight sky. but i was still in the office, pushing to finish the last portion of a briefing the boss was expecting on his desk the following morning. a couple of my colleagues were working nearby, finishing up a separate project which had required them to pull an all-nighter the previous night.
"woohoo! we're finally done!" ruslan exclaimed. "i'm gonna celebrate by getting myself a black bee-atch tonight! dima - are you up for driving?"
dima was looking weary after so many hours of work and so few hours of sleep.
"sure... why not? where are we going?"
speaking to me, ruslan said "you gonna join, man? we're going to that wh0re bar on kurskaya. i need myself a black bee-atch!"
deadpan, i responded "sorry, was already there today."
"yeah, right! come on, fucker! let's go!"
i was telling the truth. doc and i had been on a rampage the night prior, and hotdog was one of the many clubs we'd hit.
"seriously, my boss is gonna mess me up if i don't finish this tonight. tell you what, if i can finish this in the next couple hours, i'll call and maybe join you guys for a beer."
"deal!"
within 5 minutes, they were gone and i went back to my work, with a newfound motivation to get it finished asap.
about a half hour later, ruslan was ringing my mobile.
on the other end, it sounded ominously quiet - diametrically opposite to the hotdog that i know. suspecting what was going on, i asked "so, how is it there?"
"they didn't let us in."
"what the fuck? faced?"
"yup, the asshole just looked at us and said 'you will not pass'. i asked him to explain why, and he said it's not his duty to explain, just that we'd been faced. it was like something out of a kafka novel."
i was indeed surprised. i'd never had any issues getting into hd before, but then again i could never be mistaken for a university student - not for the past 10 years at least. ruslan and dima, on the other hand, are in their late 20s/early 30s but look substantially younger. also, i have the unmistakable accent of a western foreigner who's living in russia (and therefore expected to be loaded with cash).
"man, that sucks. sorry. what's your plan now?"
"dunno - what would you suggest?"
"there's only 2 wh0re bars in moscow, so your only other option is nightflight, and as i recall they require you to be at least 30 to enter."
ruslan knew this already, as he'd joined me at a partner dinner at nf and encountered resistance for even entering the restaurant with his boyish face.
"ah, man... what else can you think of?"
a light went off in my head.
"well, you could always hit a tochka. not sure about finding a black girl, but i guarantee it'll be a new experience for you."
"okay, cool! so you know where this place is? you can direct us?"
"um, sure. i'll be finished in about 30 minutes, so pick me up and we'll go from there."
ruslan was positively gleeful. "okay, we'll see you soon!"
by the time i met them, it was around 1am, and ruslan asked "so, where is this club located?"
"oh, we're not going to 'tochka' the club... we're going to pick up girls off the streets of suburban moscow."
"whoa! no way!"
dima just smiled. as a sextalk.ru veteran, he was well educated in p4p, to say the least. ruslan, on the other hand, was apprehensive at first.
"is it safe? isn't that mafia? what if they try to rob us?"
between dima and myself, we were able to assuage his fears, and soon we were all in a happy "wh0re hunting" mood. making the requisite stops at the atm and corner produkty to ensure our bodies were adequately hydrated, we kicked off our odyssey in search of street meat. yaroslavskoye shosse (better known locally as "yaroslavka") was our first destination. located on the northern part of moscow, this major artery is notorious for having tons of "tochki".
the basic idea is to cruise the street and look for a single girl standing by the road. normal girls do not stand by themselves on such roads, especially in the middle of the night, so the chance of a false positive identification is essentially nil. just past mkad, we passed a red zhiguli and a girl standing outside of it. dima pulled over and slowly backed up to the car sitting on the shoulder. the girl peered inside at the three of us, and then asked what we were looking for.
"two girls, to take with us."
"please follow the car."
at this point, dima was becoming apprehensive.
"i've been to tochkas lots of times, and i've never been instructed to follow anyone. be on your guard."
our anxiety levels were rising in direct proportion to the increasing darkness of our environs and the narrowness of the road on which we were being led.
after 5 minutes or so, we arrived at an abandoned factory parking lot fringed with thick foliage and cars parked here and there with no apparent pattern.
we were about to u-turn where in our headlights we recognized the unmistakable outline of a woman's legs in a miniskirt.
"okay... looks like it's legit", dima said, as our tension level dropped a single notch.
not knowing where to go, we waited for someone to approach. within a minute or two, a mamochka appeared out of the thick bushes which were bordering the parking lot. she scrutinized the 3 of us for a few seconds.
"what are you looking for? 1 girl for the 3 of you?" in a tone of voice which hinted "you perverts!"
dima answered, "no, i'm just the driver, we're looking for 2 girls."
"okay, we have girls for 6, 8, 10 and 12 [thousand rubles]."
ruslan answered, "let's see the best you have - 10 and 12."
mamochka disappeared, but we could hear her shouting. about 5 minutes later, the girls started to appear and line up in front of our headlights.
we were chatting nervously, windows up, dima keeping the engine on, and the car in gear just in case we had to make a quick break for it. 10 girls lined up in all. not sure if it were coincidence or not, but the best looking ones were on the left, and the ugliest on the right. on a scale from 1 to 10, they ranged from a single 8, down to a 4, with an average around 6. the girl on the far right, a 30-something chubby brunette with fat tits pouring out of her 2-sizes-too-small liftchik, was angrily cursing at the mamochka.
"fuck! why do we have to stand here so long?"
"shut up and get back in line."
"fuck you, wh0re!"
"shut up and speak nicely, girl! without mat!" mat being the strongest form of profanity used in russian.
chunky girl wasn't going to shut up easily and started to mock the mamochka "without mat! without mat! without mat!"
no doubt the girl knew she was out of her league with that lineup and the frustration was sublimating as vulgarity.
"man, #10 is a class act! we should take her!" dima exclaimed.
we laughed our asses off.
i encouraged ruslan to take the leftmost girl - a stylishly-dressed dirty blonde who appeared to have a pretty face and curvy body. we all agreed she was the pick of the litter.
"but what about you, man? which one do you want?"
girl #3 also looked pretty good: young blonde with a pageboy hairstyle and a cute enough face. but short, and nearly flat chested.
i debated.
"nah, none of these really do it for me. i mean, i could if they were my only choices, but none really inspires me."
"okay, then, let's roll."
"you sure, dude? i mean, #1 is pretty nice."
"nah, let's roll."
before departing, ruslan asked the mamochka, "do you have any other girls?"
mamochka said that they had one more girl available who was putting on some makeup at the moment. we'd just have to wait another minute. all this time, the 10 are just standing there in our headlights, nervously shifting. as the last girl approached, we saw that she was a 6 at best. we thanked the mamochka, and as we started to leave, she warned us that they were the only tochka working that night on yaroslavka.
yeah, right.
"well, thanks for the info. do svidaniya."
and we headed off into the night again. we travelled north another 10 minutes, and sure enough, mamochka was speaking truthfully... no lookouts, no nothing.
"this is really weird," dima said.
"usually, there'd be a girl every few hundred meters."
we u-turned and headed back into moscow. thankfully, we spied another lookout within a few minutes. she was visibly nervous, looking around while speaking to us.
"all the girls are 6500 and up - are you fine with that?"
"sure", ruslan replied.
"okay, go down this road until it ends, then take a left and wait."
it was dark. even darker than the first tochka. other customers were there, both in and out of their cars, but there were no girls to be seen anywhere.
dima was quite nervous at this point, and made the call to bail. as our driver, and much more experienced in these things than ourselves, we supported him 100%.
"so, looks like yaroslavka is dead tonight due to recent raids," dima said as we safely made it back to the major road.
"no worries, boys... there are plenty of options - there's kutuzovsky prospect still, garden ring and if we still don't find anything, we can go to lyublino - there are always several tochkas there. always."
we stopped to refuel both the car and ourselves. optimistically, i picked up a pack of orbit and popped a couple in my mouth as we headed to mozhaika (mozhaiskoye shosse, the continuation of kutuzovsky prospect and the major artery running through west moscow). usually, there are several tochkas on mozhaika, at the bus stops and in the parking lots of the establishments there, such as soviet-era movie theater "minsk".
but that night... zero.
we continued to garden ring, where dima was more bullish about us finding something.
"usually, there are lookouts, or the girls themselves at the head of the little sidestreets."
"you won't get the same selection, usually there's just a few girls hanging out in cars, but the quality can be quite good at times."
but... nothing.
so, we moved onto lyublino, in south east moscow. at this point, it was getting late, past 3am, and we'd been on the road for over two hours.
needless to say, we were regretting that we'd passed over the few wh0res we'd actually seen.
dima tried to cheer us up, "don't worry, guys, there are always girls here. but... it's usually sex on location."
"so, you just do it in your car?"
"yeah, pretty much. just park someplace and get it on. sometimes the girls have an apartment nearby, but not often."
our spirits lifted as we spotted a relative cute and young girl standing by a bus stop. dima pulled over and she was very nervously looking at us.
"i won't go with you," was her curt reply, no doubt thinking we wanted to gangbang her.
"so, only sex here?"
"yes."
as dima sped off, ruslan sarcastically exclaimed "guys! that was an actual wh0re! we saw a wh0re! she was standing right next to me! i mean, i was so close to her that i could have actually touched her or something!"
laughter all around. we were about to turn around again when we saw a car with hazards on. it was dark, but there was clearly a body bending over and talking to the occupant(s). bingo!
"dude!" i said pointing to the right in the distance, "there's another one!"
dima was already in the u-turn lane waiting for the light to turn green, but was adamant to get over there before some other punter was going to steal our chance. once the light turned green, he accelerated like jeff gordon.
as we closed on our prey, it became evident that the "girl" in question bore an uncanny resemblance to alla pugacheva. and i'm not a talking about alla in her prime - the quintessential sultry-voiced darling of the soviet union - but as the elderly, obese media wh0re who can't accept the aging process and insists on dressing decades younger than she should.
though "only" in her 40s (a good bit younger than the real alla), this particular street walker was similarly obese, sporting frizzy bleached hair and an extremely un-flattering short-short cocktail dress that only accentuated the fact that each of her thighs had a circumference similar to my waist.
"good god!" we screeched in unison.
"go go go!!!" i insisted as dima complied and floored the accelerator.
being as it's moscow, it took us another 10 minutes before we could legally make a u-turn. we'd seen a couple girls on the other side and it was looking like our last chance for "love" that night. as with any market featuring something with low supply - there were 3 other cars looking for the same thing as us. we waited our turn for the girls to come over and talk with us. when they finally made it over, we saw that the better looking one was a 5 at best, and the other one was simply un-fuckable. i imagined that they worked days as ticket clerks for the moscow metro, and constantly reminded themselves that each guy they sucked off behind the dumpster put them one step closer to that knock-off, rhinestone-studded d&g purse they'd been eying at rynok for ages.
they said "1000 for bj, another 500 for fs".
"here?"
"yes."
"are you the only girls here, or are there others?"
"just us. take it or leave it."
the answer there was unambiguous, as dima again floored it. at that point, we were all getting tired. it was 3:30 and the sun, though still under the horizon, was beginning to lighten the sky.
"well", dima slowly said, "there *is* one surefire location, out past mkad on shosse entusiastov."
"shosse entusiastov!" i replied brightly, "now that is what i'm talking about!"
for those of you unfamiliar with this particular road, it is one of the most depressing avenues in moscow, dare i say... the world. for whatever reason, the east sides of cities are rarely the best, and moscow is no exception in this regard. shosse entusiastov is lined with a seemingly endess array of deserted factories and soviet-era warehouses. the sparse street lighting, due to low residential density, only lends to the feeling of desperation.
"if i were a street wh0re, that's exactly where i'd want to work!" i said. "let's do it!"
well, by this point you can probably guess what happened. lots of trucks and taxis, but not a single girl on the side of the road. we continued about 10 minutes past mkad before giving up. at this point, it was 4am and all of us were beat.
i nodded off, and by the time i woke up, dima had already driven me to my home.
"well, guys, that was a blast!" as we shook hands and said our goodbyes.
funny enough, we had epicly failed in our objective but ended up having an even more memorable time in the end.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."
- Winston Churchill
. Molodyets Pizdyets!!!. Great yarn. Too bad no happy ending.
Molodyets Pizdyets!!!. Great yarn. Too bad no happy ending.
Agree, but it's so much more interesting than "picked up some insanely hot girls and shagged them rotten until dawn." There will be other days, and there will be other girls. Maybe tonight even. :)
Angus Magee
06-04-10, 15:28
Agree, but it's so much more interesting than "picked up some insanely hot girls and shagged them rotten until dawn." There will be other days, and there will be other girls. Maybe tonight even. :)
I posted it to reports of distinction. This one of the best reports I have read here on the ISG. In fact I would go so far as to say that it is another league than the standard report. It actually works as simply excellent writing and takes the reader along on an adventure. As a writer myself I have to say that you have a talent for telling the story.
I would love to read more of this style of report here.
Thanks
AM
As a writer myself I have to say that you have a talent for telling the story.
I would love to read more of this style of report here.
(blush)
Thanks, AM. Glad you enjoyed reading it as much as I did writing it up! I have to admit that Skank inspired me. Though he doesn't contribute as much as he used to, his at-times acerbic, at-times sentimental style is something I can only aspire to achieve.
Angus Magee
06-04-10, 15:47
(blush)
Thanks, AM. Glad you enjoyed reading it as much as I did writing it up! I have to admit that Skank inspired me. Though he doesn't contribute as much as he used to, his at-times acerbic, at-times sentimental style is something I can only aspire to achieve.
Well we all have our writer heros. I have also enjoyed the Doctors tales and am a fan also of Bez' sometimes short, acerbic but pithy and colorful posts-always complete with pictures.
As for novelists-my favorite has to be TC Boyle. His recent novel about the lives and loves of the famous American architect, Frank Lloyd Wright, is a work of pure genius in my opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/books/review/Scott-t.html?_r=1
Doctor_Skank
06-04-10, 16:12
Great stuff Pizdyets!
Sometimes the best adventures have no happy end, such are the glories of life!
Angus Magee
06-04-10, 16:21
Sometimes the best adventures have no happy end, such are the glories of life!
And this, unless I am very much mistaken is a very Russian view of life in itself.
For me the flavor of the narrative is much more important than "liking" the ending.
Vigilantemoscow
06-04-10, 19:58
Any place in Tverskaya is good and usually packed with beauties.
Shokolatnitsas are great cause often are busy and table sharing is not rude...plus wallet damage can not be as bad as in a cocktail bar!
If you already dating try Kvartira 44. There is even a piano which I am sure will mellow the coldest of the hearts.
Vigilantexx
Would you mind mentionning your favorites ?
Vigilantemoscow
06-04-10, 20:11
I have to admit I was, am and always will be a softy with women. I just manage a GF outside Moscow and one here with the ocassional excuses for my hunting nights out. I simply can not make an arragement based on pure sexual exchange. Either ends up in drama or the end of it. Oh well
Also no matter how hard I try to avoid it girls ALWAYS end up leaving.little by little- items in the flat as a subtle indication of "land possesion" (eg toothpaste, make up cottoms, underwear etc.). Not for that faint hearted when you need to remove that evidence for an unexpected visit!
By the way, I do envy the stamina of some of you guys in the forum. I am on the wrong side of my 30's but sporty and can live on little sleep, however I can not pull many drunken nights during the week or my boss would kick me out of Moscow. My liver also must resemble a sewer. Hence my relative monogamy.
Vigilantexx
You are right, it's a good question.
I have 5 "partners" in Moscow (don't know if I can call them girlfriends or not). Of course this is impossible to get real GF invested into the relationship. This is why i try to have the following balance:
- 1 and only one real GF invested, and with her I manage to protect my private life easily (no keys; business excuses and so on)
- all the rests are "sport"partners who knows the kind of guy i am and i, in return, never ask questions too.
This is my advice to keep a nice sexual life: to get only 1 real GF and all the rests are girls who wants fun like you, and in Moscow that's alrady enough to be an happy man.
Tricks to protects privacy life:
- no keys
- native community "meetings"
- sport after work
- business meetings
that can free already 3 or 4 night during the week.
The week-end is a more difficult target. Hopefully she will have a mama to see in Iaroslaval or somewhere :-)
since some of you seem to enjoy epic tales, the following is an account of my second trip to moscow back in 2005. i may have even posted it but if i did i can't find it. regardless, it still bring a smile to my face whenever i think about it.
reading pizdyet's tale reminded me of it and i thought you guy might enjoy it.
keep in mind that the infoermation is dated and so are the prices and the location of safari lodge as it has closed down and moved since then.
enjoy
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this was my 2nd trip to moscow and it was a bust as far as sexual encounters go. too much work, too much client entertaining and too much vodka put me in a bad position to capitalize on anything meaningful. but i did come close one night when a small group of us tried to what we came to call “the trifecta” which started with dinner at night flight, followed by fondling strippers at the safari lodge on pokrovka followed by a late night visit to boar house for “take out”.
i had flown directly to moscow from the states the day before and the jet lag was kicking my ass. it was about 4:00 pm and i was just nodding off for a few winks in my hotel room (marriott grand) when my phone rang. it was my boss and he had just arrived from the uk. he informed me that he had just checked in at the hotel and that my presence was required in his room for cocktails. it was past 7:00 pm in the uk and as far as he was concerned, the bar was open. what could i do? when duty calls…….
after catching up over drinks my boss revealed that this was actually his first time to moscow and in fact his first trip to russia. since this was my second trip he was expecting me to be an expert already and to ensure that he would be sufficiently entertained. luckily, my expat friend al had lived in moscow for several years and knew the lay of the land. i called al and explained my situation asking if he would not mind joining us for an “evening of fun” playing tour guide. he happily agreed and that’s when the idea of the trifecta was hatched. we agreed to meet at night flight at 9:30 pm for dinner and would go on from there. working hard on the bottle of scotch for a few more hours ensured that we would be well lubricated upon our arrival to night flight. we agreed to meet up with ildar, our colleague from azerbaijan at 9:00 pm in the bar at the marriott so at 8:45 pm i stopped by my room to splash a little cold water on my face and grab my coat.
after a quick beer with ildar, we set off on foot to night flight. it was a cool evening in march but by no means cold so it was really quite pleasant. boss’s head was snapping to and fro looking at the girls parading down tverskaya. while it wasn’t summer time when he could really enjoy the sights, every second girl walking down tverskaya was a runway model dressed impeccably and prancing down the street with that detached far-away look in their eyes. when we arrived at nf we checked coats and went right up stairs. al was already there and had selected a table near the top of the stairs. for anyone who has dined at night flight, you will know that there is a bit of a “floor show” presentation. some of the early birds in the lounge downstairs will come upstairs to use the ladies room as an excuse to check out who is eating dinner in the restaurant. for those who eat dinner in the restaurant upstairs, the $40 cover charge to the lounge downstairs is waived so there is certainly a method to this dinner strategy. and if you eat dinner upstairs why would not visit the lounge before heading off.
while ordering dinner, i was presented with the wine list and tried to select a wine that was not going to break the budget when boss suggested that since we were in russia, we really should be drinking vodka. there was a little voice somewhere in the back of my head advising me against ordering vodka but it was quickly ignored and i ordered a nice chilled bottle of russian standard. unfortunately, one bottle was not enough and we topped off the dinner with another half liter of vodka followed by the obligatory after dinner drink down in the lounge. we were happily chatting up girls when al decided it was time to move on to the safari lodge. we grabbed cab on the street and headed off.
the safari lodge is what every strip club should be. it is absolutely surreal. housed in the basement of a shashlik place on pokrovka, the safari lodge is literally a pit of decadence. after you check you coat you descend the stairs to the club. immediately to one side is a typical bar and to the left is an open area with a banquette couch that follows the wall. there’s a small stage in front where dancers “warm up” before they join the “rodizio”. anyone who has ever been to a brazilian bbq knows that eating rodizo style involved servers with long skewers of meat who make the rounds. well, it’s the same thing at sl – minus the skewers. make no mistake – this is not a strip club; it’s a lap dancing club. you take your seat on the banquette and a topless girl plops herself down on your lap and grinds away for the duration of the song. and unlike other parts of the world, manual participation is encouraged. when the song is over, you pay her r100 and (this is the best part) she takes a step to her right and plops herself down on the lap of the guy to your left while the next pretty little topless thing takes her turn with you. etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, so on and so forth……………. it’s a beautiful thing.
of course there is a private dance room which is a complete waste of time imho because you get the same dance in private. the only difference is that the girl takes her bottoms off as well. but because there’s no sex offered i just don’t understand the attraction of the private dance. r1,000 for 3 songs in private vs r300 for 3 songs out with everyone else? i just don’t get it. oh well, to each his own. you would think that at r100 a dance you could stay there forever but you would be surprised at how quickly you can burn though a couple hundred bucks. and for those who are ready for something a little more interesting there is the dacha dance. the sl keeps an apartment or two reserved for “special activities” complete with bed shower and i think one even has a jacuzzi. on this particular night none in our group opted for the dd. we were all happy getting our fill of vodka soaked bliss with seeming endless handfuls of young flesh. tall ones, short ones, blonde nordic pixies and voluptuous tatars. what a smorgasbord of sensual delight. somewhere along the line i think we switched back to drinking scotch and boss kept bringing me drinks that he must have paid for with his visa card. he had just arrived in moscow he kept on asking for r100 notes; i must have made at least two trips to the bankomat (atm) strategically situated on the street in front of the club top get more cash. clever idea.
it was getting pretty late and after much coaxing, we made our way up the stairs and onto the street to hit the boar house. as usual, there were several cabs out front and ildar (who actually grew up in azerbaijan) started negotiating with the driver of a nice audi. al immediately objected to the choices saying the audi driver was going to “rip us off” for the short drive to the bh and started negotiating with the driver of a broken down lada. ildar said it would cost us $20 for the 10 minute trip to the bh and al proudly proclaimed that it would cost us only $5 for the lada. against all better judgment, four of us got into the lada. it turned out to be a very bad move because we were half way to the board house we got pulled over by the local police. thinking back i know why we got pulled over. while the three “white guys” were crammed into the back seat, ildar (who was born in azerbaijan) was sitting up front. so here is this broken down lada driving down sadovya ring crammed full with 4 passengers with a tajik driver and the stereotypical guy from the caucasus sitting in the passenger seat. hell, i would have pulled us over.
when the police saw us go by, he must have thought that we were a group of illegals from one of the “stans” (uzbekistan, kazakhstan, turkmenistan, or perhaps armenia). russians from moscow and saint petersburg are a little bit racist and they don’t particularly like people from the former soviet republics so when they saw us they thought they were going to be able to shake us down for money hoping that our paper work wasn’t in order. so when they stopped is and hauled us out of the car they started demanding to see our passports. btw – everyone in russia is required to carry a passport which is really a generic term for identification. if the cops ask for it, you have to show it. no big deal. another thing you need to know is that you must have your passport registered with the authorities within 48 hours of arriving (i think). normally you give your passport to the hotel desk and they take care of it in a few hours.
what boss forgot to tell me was that he had neglected to collect his passport from the front desk of the marriott before we left for the evening. oh shit. here we were at 4:00 am drunk out of our minds and one of us whit no passport. we tried to explain this to the pimply faced cop (who looked to be about 17) but he seemed unimpressed and told us would have to go down to the police station and pay a fine. i don’t know what came over me but i got so pissed off that i pulled out my cell phone, pretended to call the us embassy (in moscow) and told ildar to ask the cop which police station he was taking us to so that the duty officer from the embassy could send someone down to sort this out. now the cop started yelling, telling me to shut up and put my phone away. of course, i was not having any of this and became even more insistent to take us to the police station.
pretty soon, the police supervisor stepped out of the police van. to this point he kept his cool but now he was getting pissed off and told everyone to calm down. he pulled the young cop off to the side and had a few words with him. i don’t know what he actually said but he must not have wanted to create an international incident. if he couldn’t get cash out of us on the spot, he wasn’t interested in taking us down to the station. he sent the young cop back to the van and told all to get back in the taxi. he pulled ildar aside and pull him close for a conversation. while ildar grew up in baku, he went to boarding school in moscow and knows his way around despite his not being over vocal about the stupid mistakes we had made that night. he explained the situation to the police supervisor who was not impressed and proceeded to rip a strip off of ildar. my russian is not great now and it was even poorer back then but the gist of the conversation went like this, “i would expect this sort of crap from those foreign idiots, but not you who should know better than to drive around in a piece of shit car like this. get back in the car and get back to the hotel this instant and don’t even think about going anywhere else until that stupid brit gets his papers in order”. so naturally, we thanked him, offered him $50 for his trouble and got back in the cab. of course we told the driver to keep heading for the boar house!!!
the whole affair with the cop must have been too much for me because i barely remember walking into the bh and i certainly don’t remember leaving either. what i do remember is waking up the next morning at the hotel with splitting headache and the sense that i was not alone in my bed. oh – my – god. what the hell happened? i had not done anything like this since college. mongering is one thing, but drinking yourself into a fog in moscow is something else indeed. when my eyes focused again i could see that i was in bed with an african girl and my heart stopped. don’t get me wrong, i’m not a racist but because moscow has a serious problem with sdts and hiv and there is more than an insignificant number of skanky h00kers from uganda running around moscow. i looked around the room and noticed that it was light. what time was it? oh shit, my head hurt.
i scanned the floor beside the bed and saw my clothes piled in a heap. i peered under the covers and was relieved to discover that i still had my underwear on. whew! i reached down and picked up my pants and hoping to find my passport and my wallet. those were the last things i needed to have missing. i searched all the pockets and came up empty. fuck! what the hell happened? wow, my head hurt.
i reached for my cell phone to call al so i could start of make sense of what happened and realized that i didn’t have that either. damn, this was getting from bad to worse. i slipped out of bed and though maybe my passport, wallet and cell phone were sitting on the desk beside my laptop which i was sure i left plugged in only to discover my laptop was gone too. what the fuck happed last night. cripes, my head hurt.
i had written al’s office number on the hotel memo pad by the phone the night before and gave him a quick call to see if he could offer some explanations. i called al and when he answered the phone he burst into laughter and asked me how “my little friend” was. according to al, when we arrived at the bh we stood at the far end of the bar down near the working girls from uganda. apparently, she just invited herself over and decided to be my chaperone for the evening while i dealt with my jet lag and vodka. when it was time to leave she just decided that she was coming home with me and that was that.
i told him to forget about the girl and asked him to help me figure out what had happened to my passport, wallet and cell phone. “have you tried your room safe”, he asked. “room safe – good idea” and asked him to told on a minute while i punched the number into the keypad. “holy shit”, i said out loud when i discovered that everything including my laptop was in the safe and went back to the phone. “how in the hell did i have the presence of mind to put that shit in the safe”, i asked al. he just laughed and told me to “have a nice morning” and hung up.
relieved that i had found my valuables, i crawled slowly back into bed to figure out what i was going to do next. as i said earlier, i am not racist but black girls are just not “my thing”. but damn, she had a fine body i discovered as i peered under the covers to discover that she was wearing lacy bra and panties. if my head splitting hang over was not progressing so splendidly, i would have thought seriously about “tearing off a piece” of this fine looking ass. but i literally was bleeding to death through the eyes and just realized that i had no idea what might have happened to the my boss. crap.
i began to still a little more in the hopes that my little guest would wake up. soon, she began to stir and slowly he eyes opened. a soft glance at first followed by a quizzical look and then recognition and rage. it was like setting off a bomb. immediately, this girl started yelling at me and giving me so much shit that i wished the cops would have taken me to jail the night before. clearly this gal came home with me hoping for a date but ended up babysitting a drunk. according to my little “gandy girl” i was so drunk and sleepy that she had to hold me up at the bar for hours. “why did you have to drink so much? where the hell do you think you are? this is not america. this is moscow. what the hell kind of friends do you have to let you do this?” on and on came the accusation and insults. the louder she got the worse my head pounded. i was in hell.
“what time is it?”, she demanded. “i can’t stay here all day; i must go”. “good idea”, i thought. “get the hell out of here and leave me in peace to die”. she stormed around the room collecting her things and disappeared into the bathroom. i used the opportunity to call the boss and discovered that he had suffered pretty much the same fate and was still in bed with a hot little blond named irina. nice. i was surprised to learn that we actually shared a cab home and that i was speaking russian to the cab driver. unbelievable.
she stormed out of the bathroom and demanded that i pay her. “pay you”? i asked. “why should i pay you? we clearly didn’t have sex”. clearly that was not the response she was looking for. salvo number two – boom, she ripped another strip off me for how drunk i was and how hard she worked holding me up at the bar and how i was sooooo drunk. blah, blah, blah, blah…… man, if i wanted to get my ass chewed like that i sure didn’t need to travel 6,000 miles to have it done. “didn’t have sex”, she spat at me. “didn’t have sex? what i had to do last night was worse than sex!!”
i sheepishly met up with ildar and the boss a few hours later for a late lunch. we sat quietly as i ate a salad hoping that the pounding would soon stop. drinking the pepsi was starting to have a healing effect on my head and the fog in my eyes slowly began to lift. ildar, looked across the table at me and shook his head in disgust. “stupid american”, he said. "you come all this way from texas to moscow to fuck a black girl".
Pizdyets,
thanks very much for your report about one of the best thing Moscow has to offer !
During the times of Ca_T there were here often reports about tochka, then....almost nothing and I never understood why....
I think tochka experience is something unique in the world, something that it belongs to Moscow and that it makes Moscow from a monger's point of view even more interesting than the tons of privates apartments.
But even the other cities in Russia have.... many taxi drivers that will call a friend that will bring by car 3 or 4 girls that will line up and stand in front of you. I was able to do it even in the small city-village Uzhorod in UA, that's what make all FSU so....great for me !
And if you start early in the night, often you end with a diamond at iron price....
I never got 1 single problem hunting tochka, despite once I was stopped by militsia and had to bribe them, but this is part of the fun and surely not a problem despite that the price go a bit higher...
Another great thing is that usually mongers do not use tochka, they are afraid and I have no idea why....so the prices are more or less not spoiled by foreigners and the girls not really "naive", obviously, but milion times better than the hardcore spoiled hookers at hot dog or night flight so common between the typical Moscow monger.
Last good thing.... according to my experience is that tochka is all night, often she sleeps with you and if she feels good with you, she leave about noon or early afternoon cause she has to show up at tochka-point at the evening.
Ok let's go to see the movie Tochka one more time waiting for my next time in Moscow :)
Pizdyets,
Interesting story and a great piece of writing! However, you did erode some of the confidence I had in you Moscow guys as to your abiity to go exactly where you're supposed to go and get exactly what you want. One thing that did surprise me, though, was the prices quoted in the story. The figures you gave went from 6,000 to 12,000 rubles for girls outside the center city which is $200 to $400 US. That sounds like a lot for the location and for what was offered. What am I missing?
Nevertheless, congratulations on a great story!
The figures you gave went from 6,000 to 12,000 rubles for girls outside the center city which is $200 to $400 US. That sounds like a lot for the location and for what was offered. What am I missing?
It's all about time. Tochka girls are committed to staying with you until 8am or 9am (you agree in advance). HotDog and NightFlight girls, however.... well, I've had some stay until I kicked them out, but others are putting their boots back on after one pop. Most are looking to leave at 6am - before traffic gets bad and/or their mother wakes up and realizes what they're doing for a living. You won't get that from a tochka girl. She's essentially your property until dawn. I wouldn't call it white slavery, but like foie gras, it's best to just enjoy it and not think about the process too much.
The other plus about tochkas is the freshness. Every time I go to HD, I see many of the same haggard faces. Honestly, I have no idea how some of these women make any money. And the new blood is scarce, and snatched up early in the evening. Tochkas on the other hand, have a steady turnaround, and the girls are often quite young (meaning - 18-22).
As for novelists-my favorite has to be TC Boyle. His recent novel about the lives and loves of the famous American architect, Frank Lloyd Wright, is a work of pure genius in my opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/books/review/Scott-t.html?_r=1
Very interesting, and I'll definitely pick it up next time I'm back in the states. Though I've long been an admirer of Frank Lloyd Wright, I didn't know anything about his personal life - just his works. It's ironic that many of the historical figures I respect the most were hopeless womanizers: John Von Neumann, Richard Feynman and Bill Clinton to name a few. Maybe it's why I don't live too differently myself. :)
Inspired by my write-up, Dima (driver from the tochka report) cooked this up to commemorate our night out. I'm afraid much of the detail will be lost, but hope you can appreciate it anyway!
Hollywood - I'm waiting for your call. ;)
(Penthouse Club) Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't).
Penthouse club is run by Highland Group LLC which also runs the two Aurora 911 clubs in Moscow and the other in Ekaterinburg. This explains why the format is similar. I met one of their directors at Aurora 911, he was a yank but he was OK. He offered quite an insight into Moscow.
Last month I was in Moscow and had a "meeting" with a "friend" of mine who is a dancer at Aurora 911. … According to "Dancing Queen", it's why they started Penthouse Club, located it on Arbat Street and set those affordable prices - to keep us the heck out of Aurora 911!!!!!! I am not sure if she's feeding me a line of bullshit but if it's true then it sure explains a few things.
All people have to pay extra to use couches at Aurora 911, I think he said 3000 r . The club is more than happy with expat customers. I think one of the best places to meet the girls is at the bar. All girls have to keep flowing through the club. The Penthouse club was opened by Penthouse Magazine who instigated the deal with Holland LLC to run it for them. The big difference is the area its in, Arbat Street, theres nothing else similar in that area. Cheers All Nickc
Penthouse club is run by Highland Group LLC which also runs the two Aurora 911 clubs in Moscow and the other in Ekaterinburg. This explains why the format is similar. I met one of their directors at Aurora 911, he was a yank but he was OK. He offered quite an insight into Moscow.
Thanks for the clarification, Nick. Apparently I was mislead by my partner who claimed they were under different management.
The big difference is the area its in, Arbat Street, theres nothing else similar in that area.
Well, Dejavu (former Spearmint Rhino) is less than 5 mins from Penthouse by foot. They do have a different format (only private dances), but it's a decent club as well.
Doctor_Skank
06-05-10, 13:23
Thanks for the clarification, Nick. Apparently I was mislead by my partner who claimed they were under different management.
That would be me I think.
Sorry. :)
I was told that Aurora and Penthouse were different management, as the girl I was "dating" from Aurora went to Penthouse and she said she couldn't go back because of this.
But she was a flake, so no doubt she was wrong aboout this.
......as the girl I was "dating" from Aurora went to Penthouse and she said she couldn't go back because of this. But she was a flake, so no doubt she was wrong aboout this..... And here I though I was the only ISG guy dating an A911 girl ;) . As I am sure you and at least one other ISG board member can attest to, these girls (while toned and skilled to be sure) live in a crazy world. Talk about your quintessential night people.
But some of the stories these girls can tell are absolutely spell binding. Raids, cat fights in the dressing room, theft, cavity searches by management, beatings, drugs, Oligarchs, etc are the REAL grit of Moscow. I swear that that listening to these stories is almost as much fun as the shaggin.
One Wednesday morning about 5:30 AM I got a call from Dancing Queen. She had just off work from A911 and wanted to talk. I was sure she said "fuck" so I said, "sure, come on over". It was only a matter of 10 minutes as I was in an apartment on Tverskaya. She immediately launched into a crazy tale of one of the dancers who was stealing the other girls lip gloss. To cut a long story short, what I though was going to be morning sex turned in to three hours of listening to "chick stories" about office politics. I thought I had heard it ALL when it came to workplace rivalry but these dancers "take it up a notch". Un-fucking-believable.
Bez Bezarra
06-05-10, 14:13
It all started innocently enough, on a dark and stormy night with the crescent moon hanging optimistically in the midnight sky.
"Is Mafia to rob us?"
"What are you looking for, you perverts!"
"Fuck! "
"Shut up."
"Fuck YOU, wh0re!"
Chunky girl started to mock the mamochka.
I imagined that they worked days as ticket clerks for the Moscow metro, and constantly reminded themselves that each guy they sucked off behind the dumpster put them one step closer to that knock-off, rhinestone-studded D&G purse they'd been eying at rynok for ages.
"Take it or leave it."
The most depressing avenue lined with an endless array of deserted factories and empty warehouses, the sparse street lighting lending to the feeling of desperation.
In the end, we got nothing.
If I ever doubted, that you were as fucked up as the hardest core monger can be, all doubt has abated now.
Any fool can write how studly they are making some tart moan, bla bla bla.
Rarely can one bring to life with such zeal, the real world of the true life of paying a monger's dues, at the lowest levels, in the funkiest places, with nefarious characters, on some dark lonely road that leads to nowhere.
This is your finest hour, Pizzy.
Stravinsky
06-05-10, 17:08
P.
мо-ло-дец о-гур-ец!
Excellent tale of late night fear-and-loathing in Москва, thanks for taking the time to write it all down and share with us.
Getting faced at HD! Who would have thought...
I'm sure names have been changed to protect the innocent, but are Dima and Ruslan both Russian? Moscovites? Just curious.
Reading your report, it seems to me I can remember a time (not too many years ago) when tochkas took dollars, and the top tier might be 250-300: for that price you would have a selection of some fairly babelicious dyeffki. A midnight tochka run would probably have yielded many tochkas with plenty of choice for all 3 of you, and, while the male comraderie of hunting dyeffki can be fun, everyone would wake up with a smile on their face and a girl in their bed (who does not look like Alla Pugachova).
So, I can't help but wonder... when it comes to Секс в Большом Городе (Sex in the City), are the heady days of mongering in Moscow at an end?. Is Moscow now only for those with; the game, the money, the wardrobe or the language skills to differentiate themselves from the rest of us mere mortals?
Sex Wanderer
06-05-10, 20:16
Anyone know where is this area code in russia? 964!
The girl that I have found out gave me this no for area code 964 so that when I come to russia I can look up for her.
I may be traveling to Russia later on in the year on a business trip and need some advice. I have heard about Nightflight, 911, and Safari. So my plan is to head to nightflight, and 911 for a couple of nights and then perhaps head to over to Germany.
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?I suppose you would be flying, cause Moscow to Berlin or Praha is 2000 Km, you should better not go through Belarus but Latvia, Lithuania. If you are driving
Consider also that it's not all motorways, so I think you'll be flying By car you would need 2 days.
In Germany there's nothing you won't find in Praha, you have the FKKs that don't exist in Praha plus all the rest But Praha is really smaller than Berlin, for example, you can navigate the city very easy and just follow the flow and jump from one club to another, privates, showpark. Very enjoyable. If you decide Berlin, do your homework before hitting, cause the city is huge (at least according to my standards).
Justmy2cents
I may be traveling to Russia later on in the year on a business trip and need some advice. I have heard about Nightflight, 911, and Safari. So my plan is to head to nightflight, and 911 for a couple of nights and then perhaps head to over to Germany.
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?
I want you to try these sites.
http://www.cheapescort.ru/
http://www.cheapescort.ru/
There are very beutiful girls.
However, I don't know whether they are real photoes.
Does anyone know?
I want you to try these sites.
http://www.sweet-girls.ru/
http://www.cheapescort.ru/
There are many beautiful girls.
But, I don't know whether they are true or fake.
Does ayone know?
Vigilantemoscow
06-06-10, 12:02
My very humble opinion (although based on extensive worldwide research for the past 15 years) is that Moscow is not too different compared to any major capital in terms of accessibility for the top end of the female stock (the top model types). There are lots of local guys with plenty of cash who easily can beat you in the same way that an investment banker would do in London or a rich daddy's boy in Munich. Let's also bear in mind many beauties already fleed the country to either marry or work as escorts.
What I believe Moscow has a lot to offer is an abundant amount of well educated, eager to please, intelligent, very decent looking girls on their mid twenties who need to compete for a relatively reduced amount a local guys. You often find on the street two or even three girls walking with her female friend and her boyfriend because they have no one decent to go out with and are not willing to lower their standards (yet). I have discussed this many times with girls and they confess it is indeed sadly (for them) the case. These girls do not necessarily would shag the first night, many of them would not even go out often to night clubs, but they are all over of the place unlike in our western countries.
I also believe behavioural differences are slowly but surely beeing reduced with their western counterparts (less so in the provices since they have less opportunity to travel abroad and meet foreigners) but even assuming the breed born today will socially mutate for thew worst, there is still a considerable "uncontaminated" pool left.
P.
мо-ло-дец о-гур-ец!
Excellent tale of late night fear-and-loathing in Москва, thanks for taking the time to write it all down and share with us.
Getting faced at HD! Who would have thought...
I'm sure names have been changed to protect the innocent, but are Dima and Ruslan both Russian? Moscovites? Just curious.
Reading your report, it seems to me I can remember a time (not too many years ago) when tochkas took dollars, and the top tier might be 250-300: for that price you would have a selection of some fairly babelicious dyeffki. A midnight tochka run would probably have yielded many tochkas with plenty of choice for all 3 of you, and, while the male comraderie of hunting dyeffki can be fun, everyone would wake up with a smile on their face and a girl in their bed (who does not look like Alla Pugachova).
So, I can't help but wonder... when it comes to Секс в Большом Городе (Sex in the City), are the heady days of mongering in Moscow at an end?. Is Moscow now only for those with; the game, the money, the wardrobe or the language skills to differentiate themselves from the rest of us mere mortals?
Sun-Wed typically sucks in Moscow.
Pizdyets, by "typically sucks", you mean that on Sund-Wed, there is no regular bar a bit busy worth the visit to hear good music (preferably russian pop/rock or latin), get drunk, and possibly score?
Stravinsky
06-06-10, 22:41
There are very beutiful girls.
However, I don't know whether they are real photoes.
Does anyone know?I don't know, what do you think Kino? Since this is obviously an advertisement for your website.
Stravinsky
06-07-10, 00:11
I also believe behavioural differences are slowly but surely beeing reduced with their western counterparts (less so in the provices since they have less opportunity to travel abroad and meet foreigners) but even assuming the breed born today will socially mutate for thew worst, there is still a considerable "uncontaminated" pool left.Understood.
I was thinking more about P4P and tochkas in particular. It just seems that 3, 4, 5 years ago, it was much easier, and cheaper, to find what you needed.
Pizdyets, by "typically sucks", you mean that on Sund-Wed, there is no regular bar a bit busy worth the visit to hear good music (preferably russian pop/rock or latin), get drunk, and possibly score?
I mean it doesn't fit my taste. There are clubs with crowds on those days (notably Che and Papa's) but the male:female ratio sucks, and maybe the environment and/or service as well. In general, I want a club with:
a) decent prices (cover and drinks)
b) decent male to decent female ratio (which can be quite different from raw male:female ratio, as you're evaluating how much real competition you'll have in the club for the good looking girls there)
c) decent service (from friendly face control to punctual wait staff)
d) decent music (I'm flexible and enjoy good house, hiphop and retro if the mood fits, but appreciate a talented DJ who can judge the collective mood of the crowd and compensate)
By those criteria, there's virtually nothing worth visiting Sun-Weds. Sad... but true. If someone has a counter-example, by all means let me know and I'll meet you there this week!
Getting faced at HD! Who would have thought...
I'm sure names have been changed to protect the innocent, but are Dima and Ruslan both Russian? Moscovites? Just curious.
Both long-term Moscovites, though not native (ie born here).
So, I can't help but wonder... when it comes to Секс в Большом Городе (Sex in the City), are the heady days of mongering in Moscow at an end?. Is Moscow now only for those with; the game, the money, the wardrobe or the language skills to differentiate themselves from the rest of us mere mortals?
Hard for me to judge, since I have all of those. ;)
Need a control group -- any volunteers? Doc and I will take you on!
Anyone know where is this area code in russia? 964!
The girl that I have found out gave me this no for area code 964 so that when I come to russia I can look up for her.
964 is Beeline, the second largest mobile carrier after MTS. PM me her full number and I'll verify it for you. ;)
Passepartout
06-07-10, 20:57
Guys,
Moscovitch on this forum asked for new places to pick up freebies.
I went to an amazing club where i guess all gentlemen of this forum, more than 30's would like to have in their to-do list: Petrovitch
I am not sure about this address, I have to found out, BUT:
- quite a big club crowded only on Saturdays night
- SSSR ambiance, all retro, typically russian
- restaurant of course, with only the typical russian food
- ration male - female is excellent, i consider the competition as weak
- target: desesperate 30's women who wants to get (good) sex
not a place to catch top models, but still we are in russia and there was so many doable girls (i was with my girlfriend that night).
Ambiance is crazy with typical old russian pop songs that makes the crowd becomes crazy, some latin, some rock and roll, some slows... all that you need to catch what you want...
The only minus: this club doesn't accept people without member card. It meqns 2 things:
- you may have problem to enter, even if they are more or less expat friendly (russians without member card has not chance to get in)
- there is a lot of regular, so this is a place to go once a month...as it is good only on saturday then it is more than enough
I have found also an excellent pick up place for after work party on thursday but want to confirm first the excellent night I had, maybe i was just lucky.
AColonizer
06-07-10, 21:41
Useful phraseology to approach Russian prostitutes (even if that is written on a paper):
привет. ваши услуги? ваши цены? ваши телефонные номера?
Hi. Your services? Your prices? Your phone numbers?
есть миньетa с глотанием и анальный?
There are swallow blowjobs and anal sex?
я работаю с миньетa с глотанием и анальный только.
I work with swallow blowjobs and anal sex only.
Stravinsky
06-07-10, 23:59
I have found also an excellent pick up place for after work party on thursday but want to confirm first the excellent night I had, maybe i was just lucky.I had a chance to visit Petrovich a couple of years ago, maybe 3, mid-week. A Muscovite friend of mine turned me on to it and I remember it being just as you described. Funny how the icons of the old Soviet Union have now become chic.
It is a private club, but they don't get serious about facing people until later in the evening, maybe 21:00, something like that. So, our strategy was to enter early at 19:00 for dinner and then just linger on into the evening. It seems you can stay as long as you like once you are in. Nobody threw us out anyway.
http://www.club-petrovich.ru/eng/
I went to an amazing club where i guess all gentlemen of this forum, more than 30's would like to have in their to-do list: Petrovitch
Yes, excellent place for all those reasons. Was there several times last fall with expat friends who are members. Place REALLY gets hopping Saturday night and you are correct the male / female ratio is most favorable. Not many runway models but lots and lots of "girls next door".
I call it "wedding atmosphere". I saw lots of tables that had 3 guys and 7 girls. It was like three couples got a table and each couple invited a single girl along. Lots of single girls just itching to dance. But it's not a pick up bar atmosphere. Very homey and friendly and not too dark.
I strongly recommend that anyone who has friends that are members give it a try on the weekend. Loads of fun, good prices, good food, cute chicks.
Located near Chisty Prudy - short walk from Tema Bar.
Further to my earlier report suggesting an ISG member Moscow summit may I suggest this Wednesday evening in 21 Prime/Penthouse.
There is a special offer for ISG members in the steakhouse for 10% discount on food and drink. Entrance to Penthouse is free and there is a 50% discount on beer until midnight.
I will reserve an ISG table and would be pleased to meet many of you from 20:00
I had a chance to visit Petrovich a couple of years ago, maybe 3, mid-week. A Muscovite friend of mine turned me on to it and I remember it being just as you described. Funny how the icons of the old Soviet Union have now become chic.
It is a private club, but they don't get serious about facing people until later in the evening, maybe 21:00, something like that. So, our strategy was to enter early at 19:00 for dinner and then just linger on into the evening. It seems you can stay as long as you like once you are in. Nobody threw us out anyway.
http://www.club-petrovich.ru/eng/
Been told (GF has lunch there every single day) that the restaurant was cheap and good.
Been told (GF has lunch there every single day) that the restaurant was cheap and good. Some of the best kolbassa I ever tasted ;)
Stravinsky
06-08-10, 16:18
Been told (GF has lunch there every single day) that the restaurant was cheap and good.Define cheap...
Not sure I would call it cheap, at least not for dinner. But the food was good, mainly Russian ethnic items on the menu, which was tol'ko po Russkii (only in Russian).
Define cheap...Not sure I would call it cheap, at least not for dinner.
I guess there is a moderately priced "business lunch", cheaper than the dinner menu.
Stravinsky
06-08-10, 16:52
I guess there is a moderately priced "business lunch", cheaper than the dinner menu.Yes, the ubiquitous бизнес ленч. I imagine even Petrovich has one. You can probably even have a little vodichiki to wash down the shashlik. Ahhh, Moscow...
Sex Wanderer
06-09-10, 20:01
964 is Beeline, the second largest mobile carrier after MTS. PM me her full number and I'll verify it for you. ;)Thanks Pizdyets,
But I found out later that this girl is a vietnamese in moscow. So where can I look for her and her group of asian babes in moscow? Its so big there but she told me that theres alot of Chinese in that area. So is there a China town in moscow?
Do you know where is it and how to go there? Also how much should I pay for a shot?
Sex Wanderer
06-09-10, 20:12
Anyone knows how to go to Cherovski market? I have 2 vietnamese babes waiting for me but I can't speak vietnamese, Chinese nor Russian. Do the taxi drivers know the way?
Also how much should I bring for a 1hr sex with asian there?
Any recommendations from the Masters of Moscow if one were to "hire" a local driver/guide for the evening and the suggested compensation for one. Obviously I would want one that is trustworthy and keep me out of "jail". I'll be in Moscow July 10-15. Perhaps one of the Masters will be about during that time to join me. Let me know ...thanks
but i found out later that this girl is a vietnamese in moscow. so where can i look for her and her group of asian babes in moscow? its so big there but she told me that theres alot of chinese in that area. so is there a china town in moscow?
do you know where is it and how to go there? also how much should i pay for a shot?
sorry, wanderer... i only fuck chinese girls in china. have no experience with them here.
btw, in china, russian pros usually go for 3x to 4x the going rate for a local chinese girl. certainly it couldn't be reversed here, but maybe that's my own personal bias showing through. if you're into the asian eyes, nothing imo is better than bashkir or chuvash girls, as they have asian faces but long-legged and often buxom russian bodies. a match made in heaven courtesy of our favorite [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) and pillager... genghis khan.
Had another most enjoyable evening on Novy Arbat. The steaks in the restaurant have improved and are on par with Torro Grill.
Wednesday night is free entrance and beers at half price, served by a smiling, topless waitress.
Some very attractive girls and some scary ones as well. Had a number of table dances from locals and 2 very attractive Kazaks. Decided for black and had a lot of fun with "Princess", great chick to talk to and small, tight body.
She did try to sell private dances at R.1000 and then offered 1 hour in a room. The system is very sophisticated for a great price. You pay the girl R.10,000, she then gives you back 3,000(!) for the room. She tells you the number and you proceed downstairs to the "hotel" reception to pay. The room I had was very smart, good shower and big bed.
Princess arrived in street clothes, promptly got naked and invited me for a shower. (Very nice when your hot water is switched off at home)
Great girl, good sex. She loved DATY and any position that I requested. My first time with a black girl and could not resist coming on her tits. You see it much better!
Have become quite a regular here, I like the atmosphere and meet a lot of colleagues.
anyone knows how to go to cherovski market? i have 2 vietnamese babes waiting for me but i can't speak vietnamese, chinese nor russian. do the taxi drivers know the way?
also how much should i bring for a 1hr sex with asian there?"cherovski market"?... are you sure that's exactly it's name?
how did you find those viet babes? i'd greatly appreciate if you could share ways to get to know working (or just willing lol) viet or any other asian gals in moscow!
if you're into the asian eyes, nothing imo is better than bashkir or chuvash girls, as they have asian faces but long-legged and often buxom russian bodies. a match made in heaven courtesy of our favorite [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) and pillager... genghis khan.actually bashkir and chuvash gals are not exactly asian.
but what is true russia's got really really stunning asian girls. those descending from mongols like kalmyk gals for example, they can be so damn hot!
if anyone has any info on asian babes in moscow to share please kindly post here
and just in case, i'm fluent in russian, so i could help in that matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_subdivisions_GRP_per_capita.svg
Note that is GDP per capita and not average salary, so take that with a grain of salt. Still, I think it highly correlates to salary. Basically it's what you expect, Moscow and Petersburg along with oil-rich Eastern Siberia have the highest GDP per capita. The Volga region does well also. But the "black earth" belt is pretty far down the totem pole, and has lots of medium sized cities which are perfect for the monger. Big enough to be interesting during down time and to be able to date multiple girls with no issues, but small enough to be cheap so you can be the big fish.
Just bumped into Latexian's great analysis.
What about the cost of life in the "poorer" areas ? ....is it significantly lower than in wealthy "oil & gas" regions ?
Sex Wanderer
06-11-10, 21:30
"Cherovski market"?... are you sure that's exactly it's name?
How did you find those Viet babes? I'd greatly appreciate if you could share ways to get to know working (or just willing lol) Viet or any other Asian gals in Moscow!Hi Alxxx,
Came across a friend that told me when I am in london. They gave me the hp. Heard that there are about 10 to 15 new vietnamese girls from 18 to 25years old. But next few weeks I am going to russia for tour so might as well meet up with their new friends. They stay in a house and when boss call they just go downstairs to meet their customers for an hour shot or overnight for 3 shots at 5000rub. But strange thing is that only Chinese are their main customers but sometimes europeans come around for a few fuck.
But she can't speak proper english nor she able to tell me where is her location so it will be hard for me to hunt down those asian babes for fuck.
Got from the web about this asian market that has vietnamese and Chinese community so I just post up to see if anyone in russia able to help me as I am a wanderer looking for asian sex in europe. Hmm they are light and sure fuckable for loud screammmm.
Are you a Russian in moscow that knows the way around? Do you know existence of this vietnamese joint in Moscow region?
Sex Wanderer
06-11-10, 21:34
Errr guys if I arrive in russia, does any of this "master taxi drivers" able to bring me to the vietnamese joint so that I can enjoy my usual asian sex in europe for a good cause?.
How to you spell "vietnamese girls for sex" in russia so that I can ask the driver to bring me there?
My travel agent could not get me into my regular hotel in Moscow so they booked me into a large hotel in the 'green district' on Kosygina street. This depressed me a bit as it's some way from the clubs and bars in the centre. I arrived about 11pm and was really nackered but dropped my case in my room and wandered down to the bar to see what went on there.
Things were looking up - there was a a strip club right in the lobby (www.911club.ru) and what looked like several WGs around the bar area. I bought a drink and got chatting to a couple of the girls, who spoke English, - one blond, fit and about 30, the other slightly older and not so attractive. The going rate was between Rb 5000 and Rb 6000 ($160-$190) for an hour.
The following evening the weather was foul so I did not fancy going into town. I got to the bar around 9pm and there was only one obvious WG there - a very attractive red head. She signalled me to join her, which I did. "Do you speak English", I asked. "Niet". I tried to progress the relationship in my limited Russian, but she really was not interested so after about 5 minutes I got up and left her. (Being rejected by a WG is VERY bad for the ego). I thought again about going out, so walked along the lobby to a very small bar near the front entrance.
There was only one customer there - a well-dressed, gorgeous little blond girl in her early 20s. I was not sure if she was a WG, but she indicated I could join her. "Do you speak English", I asked. "Niet" - oh no! Not again! But when the barman left us she pulled a pen out of her bag and wrote US200 on a napkin. I wrote Rb4000, she shook her head, so I wrote Rb5000. Again she shook her head. So I wrote Rb5000 with an arrow to a smilley face and +1000 and another arrow to a grim face with +0. Alexandria giggled and agreed.
We got to my room and I gave her Rb 5000 and left another 1000 on the table. We stripped each other and got on the bed, it was clear from the start that she was going to get the extra 1000. She had a perfect figure, size B breasts, which love and a tight pussy which I love even more. She was dynamite in bed and I came really quickly, which is unusual for me. She could not do a massage as her nails were too long so we took a shower together then got back on the bed. I never come twice with a girl, but she started on me again and I was hard within a minute so fucked her again. This time she fingered her pussy and if she did not come then, she is a very good actress. Her pussy tightened around me and I did come for a second time.
We then had a few minutes to cuddle before the hour was up. Yes, she got the extra 1000 and it was well worth it!
Errr guys if I arrive in russia, does any of this "master taxi drivers" able to bring me to the vietnamese joint so that I can enjoy my usual asian sex in europe for a good cause?.
How to you spell "vietnamese girls for sex" in russia so that I can ask the driver to bring me there?[/QUOTEHi GUYS,
I relocated myself by some weeks in Malaga.
Currently I have visitated the industrila area of Guadalahorce near the S'candalo and I have fucked 2 african girls.
Somebody as me like them?
Il you like them(not only with cash $$$ but also free) contact me with a private message.
Unfortunately I don't have the car and for this reason I can move myself only where there are bus, metro, ecc.
As last thing, somebody know where is possible to find them(Black girls!)during their normal life(barrio, shops, ]"vietnamese girls for sex"
The literal translation would be "???? "-) or simply "??? " (prostitutes from Viet Nam).
I dunno if taxi drivers would know that. Probably. Who knows, since I never tried it here (my yellow fever story is short yet LOL)
I heard there are viet gals in Moscow, but they tend to serve Viet guys, or guys introduced by Viet guys (usual story with Viets isn't it?))
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Hi Alxxx,
Came across a friend that told me when I am in london. They gave me the hp.
Do you know existence of this vietnamese joint in Moscow region?oh, I wish I did! If you find out please let know!
BTW, sorry for a dumb question, what is hp in "They gave me the hp"?
Did your friend give any other hint what's going on and where?
And what about "Cherovski market" you mentioned in your previous post?
Hm, I still can't get what market it is actually.
There used to be Cherkizovsky market (sounds almost like Cherovsky, huh?)) with lots of foreign traders (whatever they were trading.) including Viets, so that might've been one of the places to get Viet gals (the market was really really huge, like a city in a city), but it got shut down a while ago. Some Viets moved to other markets.
Hm, maybe it would make sence to hit on of those markets, grab some Viet guy and ask him straight where he gets laid? LOL.)
Stravinsky
06-13-10, 05:44
they booked me into a large hotel in the 'green district' on Kosygina street. This depressed me a bit as it's some way from the clubs and bars in the centre.If you have to be stuck in Moscow, I suppose you could do worse than the Korston. As you noticed, it's way out of the mainstream. But then again, with its own strip club and WG's in the lobby and bar(s) it's not really necessary to go out.
Just for future reference: if you could speak a little Russian and were able to get out and explore a little bit, that same 6,000 руб. would have bought you 2 cute blondinkas. Whether you come twice with each of them is up to you. :)
Sex Wanderer
06-13-10, 10:07
I heard there are viet gals in Moscow, but they tend to serve Viet guys, or guys introduced by Viet guys (usual story with Viets isn't it?))
Oh, I wish I did! If you find out please let know!
BTW, sorry for a dumb question, what is hp in "They gave me the hp"?
Did your friend give any other hint what's going on and where?
And what about "Cherovski market" you mentioned in your previous post?
Hm, I still can't get what market it is actually.
There used to be Cherkizovsky market (sounds almost like Cherovsky, huh?)) with lots of foreign traders (whatever they were trading.) including Viets, so that might've been one of the places to get Viet gals (the market was really really huge, like a city in a city), but it got shut down a while ago. Some Viets moved to other markets.
Hm, maybe it would make sence to hit on of those markets, grab some Viet guy and ask him straight where he gets laid? LOL.)[/QUOTE]
Well hp stands for "handphone no in short".
But it is not easy to get through. Because her boss don't like it so she has to hang up the phone very fast. They are here on 24hr basis and it seems like a underground network. You call boss and they will decide the girl for you or if you know the girl name. She told me that vietnamese rule of thumb do not release any hp to anyone and if they want girls only call boss! Hmm thats how secertive these vietnamese are even when I am in vietnam too.
Yap it is Cherkizovsky market as mentioned from you. So may I know where the rest of the viets have ventured into? Also yes they are the vietnamese village girls that want to come to moscow for fast cash and of course good hard european cocks!
She told me its about 2hr drive from moscow airport but she can't explain it in simple english as the Russian words are too tough for her.
So is Cherkizovsky market 2hr drive to the nearest moscow main airport? I can speak simple vietnamese so if you know how to go there and how to speak to the taxi driver in simple Russian language it will be a good help bro.
Once I am into their den I will report the whereabouts and the price to get them. To all ISG bros that are looking for asian girls in moscow.
Next stop is mongolian and Chinese girls in moscow if anyone knows that whereabout and the price for one shot fuck or booking for overnight.
Hm, weird, my previous message here came out quite weird, with pieces of some other's message I didn't actually quote, and with quotes of my own message. I can't edit it I guess.
Sex Wanderer
06-13-10, 19:30
Hm, weird, my previous message here came out quite weird, with pieces of some other's message I didn't actually quote, and with quotes of my own message. I can't edit it I guess.Hi Alxxx,
So do you know where is those markets that you have mentioned in your previous qoute? I will be going soon to moscow so I don't want to get lost in the markets as it is very big.
Thanks mate.
Hi Alxxx,
So do you know where is those markets that you have mentioned in your previous qoute? I will be going soon to moscow so I don't want to get lost in the markets as it is very big.
Thanks mate.
Sex Wanderer
Your thinking Cherkizovsky market, 20 minutes subway ride from Moscow. Huge outdoor market and a great place for all kinds of oddities. Cool place for an afternoon trip.
It was closed 1 year ago.
Why on earth would you go to Moscow for Vietnamese pussy?
You might want to try the local wares. IMHO
Guido88
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Whole sections of Osh, where longstanding tensions between the Kyrgyz majority and the Uzbek minority exploded into violence Thursday night, were all but deserted on Sunday, and heavy black smoke still billowed from Uzbek enclaves set afire by Kyrgyz gangs.
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On a block once shaded with trees, the roofs were caved in and windowsills were seared with black smoke, testament to a campaign of rage that moved from house to house through an Uzbek neighborhood. Only one building was left untouched: a squat convenience store that had been spray-painted with the word “Kyrgyz” in red.
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Sex Wanderer
06-14-10, 13:26
Sex Wanderer
Your thinking Cherkizovsky market, 20 minutes subway ride from Moscow. Huge outdoor market and a great place for all kinds of oddities. Cool place for an afternoon trip.
It was closed 1 year ago.
Why on earth would you go to Moscow for Vietnamese pussy?
You might want to try the local wares. IMHO
Guido88Ok time to review the truth to all ISG bros. As my nick name say I am a sex wanderer searching for globe for a gd soul mate and 1 that can fulfill my desire. But after going to viet last 3mths I found the soul mate that knows what I want. Time for me to settle dwn but bad news strike when her parents with debt force her to go to moscow as sex slaves to the Russian but I was in london. So I am not able to save her. Now after searching'the www.I found this site very useful and ask all ISG bros for help. Sorry mate for troubling you guys and causing misunderstanding.
Thats why I need to go moscow to bail her out then bring her back to vietnam. I will ask her parent to gv her daughter with me and return back to london.
.
Just for US3k she has to work 24hr for 6mth to return all debts bk. To us Londoner 3k is not alot and thats why I need to make this trip.
Anyone who has the lead in Moscow please put up in this post and the contact number to their boss for viet girl. I am very grateful to all help.
Ok time to review the truth to all ISG bros. As my nick name say I am a sex wanderer searching for globe for a gd soul mate and 1 that can fulfill my desire. But after going to viet last 3mths I found the soul mate that knows what I want. Time for me to settle dwn but bad news strike when her parents with debt force her to go to moscow as sex slaves to the Russian but I was in london. So I am not able to save her. Now after searching'the www.I found this site very useful and ask all ISG bros for help. Sorry mate for troubling you guys and causing misunderstanding.
Thats why I need to go moscow to bail her out then bring her back to vietnam. I will ask her parent to gv her daughter with me and return back to london.
.
Just for US3k she has to work 24hr for 6mth to return all debts bk. To us Londoner 3k is not alot and thats why I need to make this trip.
Anyone who has the lead in Moscow please put up in this post and the contact number to their boss for viet girl. I am very grateful to all help.
SW
If this story is true I do not think you realize what you are dealing with.
Chances of finding her, very very slim.
If you did find her;
Chances of Russia letting her leave the country with you, very, very slim
Chances of the Russian mob kicking the Shit out of you, keeping both the money and girl. Very, very good.
Or you may just get set up and robbed.
Guido88
Sex Wanderer
06-15-10, 04:41
SW
If this story is true I do not think you realize what you are dealing with.
Chances of finding her, very very slim.
If you did find her;
Chances of Russia letting her leave the country with you, very, very slim
Chances of the Russian mob kicking the Shit out of you, keeping both the money and girl. Very, very good.
Or you may just get set up and robbed.
Guido88Yap thats what I am worry too as not to offend any of the Vietnamese and Russian mafia.
But I just want to see her and check it out how is she doing. If thats the case in russia, I will act as a customer then leave the premises.
Seems like there is no connection of Russian nor europeans knowing of the underground network of vietnamese girls been exploited for sex in Moscow.
Now I know why she kept saying that majority of the customers are all Chinese and only once in a blue moon an european comes into their liar for vietnamese sex.
Do you know where does the Chinese community in moscow live? Or which section of it is located? I will still venture into this liar. If I survived I will tell the tale to all ISG Bros.
Even its only 1% chance I will still take the risk. Well in life I have wasted all my years searching but now I have found it.
Hi to all ISG Bros,
If any of you have any leads or the whereabout in Moscow I can find, please release it here so that I can find her even the chance is very very slim.
Thanks Mate!
Ok time to review the truth to all ISG bros... Time for me to settle dwn but bad news strike when her parents with debt force her to go to moscow as sex slaves to the Russian but I was in london. So I am not able to save her. Now after searching'the www.I found this site very useful and ask all ISG bros for help. Sorry mate for troubling you guys and causing misunderstanding.
Just for US3k she has to work 24hr for 6mth to return all debts bk. To us Londoner 3k is not alot and thats why I need to make this trip.
Anyone who has the lead in Moscow please put up in this post and the contact number to their boss for viet girl. I am very grateful to all help.Wow. Is it true?. Why don't you ask her parents and let them know you can help with the debt so she doesn't have to do that kind of stuff?
Anyways, what I found out about Viet markets in Moscow. They say there're several:
1. 41, Koptevskaya st. (??., 41; tel: 450-8759)
2. 100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (??, 100; tel: 483-1141)
3. 16 Shmitovskiy proezd (??, 16; tel: 256-2782)
4. 5/20 Suchevsky val (???., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
Don't know whether these markets have that kind of special services, but I guess there must be people there who would know. Maybe I have to grab my balls and go there to find out sometime.
Yap thats what I am worry too as not to offend any of the Vietnamese and Russian mafia.
But I just want to see her and check it out how is she doing. If thats the case in russia, I will act as a customer then leave the premises.
Seems like there is no connection of Russian nor europeans knowing of the underground network of vietnamese girls been exploited for sex in Moscow.
Now I know why she kept saying that majority of the customers are all Chinese and only once in a blue moon an european comes into their liar for vietnamese sex.
Do you know where does the Chinese community in moscow live? Or which section of it is located? I will still venture into this liar. If I survived I will tell the tale to all ISG Bros.
Even its only 1% chance I will still take the risk. Well in life I have wasted all my years searching but now I have found it.
Hi to all ISG Bros,
If any of you have any leads or the whereabout in Moscow I can find, please release it here so that I can find her even the chance is very very slim.
Thanks Mate!
SW
Only help I can offer is the word "Caution"
Truly a needle in a haystack venture.
Best of luck in your search.
Guido88
Yap thats what I am worry too as not to offend any of the Vietnamese and Russian mafia.
But I just want to see her and check it out how is she doing. If thats the case in russia, I will act as a customer then leave the premises.
Seems like there is no connection of Russian nor europeans knowing of the underground network of vietnamese girls been exploited for sex in Moscow.
Now I know why she kept saying that majority of the customers are all Chinese and only once in a blue moon an european comes into their liar for vietnamese sex.
Do you know where does the Chinese community in moscow live? Or which section of it is located? I will still venture into this liar. If I survived I will tell the tale to all ISG Bros.
Even its only 1% chance I will still take the risk. Well in life I have wasted all my years searching but now I have found it.
Hi to all ISG Bros,
If any of you have any leads or the whereabout in Moscow I can find, please release it here so that I can find her even the chance is very very slim.
Thanks Mate!Don't be a fool!
Sex Wanderer
06-17-10, 03:54
Wow. Is it true?. Why don't you ask her parents and let them know you can help with the debt so she doesn't have to do that kind of stuff?
Anyways, what I found out about Viet markets in Moscow. They say there're several:
1. 41, Koptevskaya st. (??., 41; tel: 450-8759)
2. 100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (??, 100; tel: 483-1141)
3. 16 Shmitovskiy proezd (??, 16; tel: 256-2782)
4. 5/20 Suchevsky val (???., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
Don't know whether these markets have that kind of special services, but I guess there must be people there who would know. Maybe I have to grab my balls and go there to find out sometime.Thanks Alxxx,
Just to check, when I arrived in moscow can the taxi driver sent me to those places that you have mentioned? How much will it cost for me to hire a taxi for a day to search these 4 places?
1. 41, Koptevskaya st. (?., 41; tel: 450-8759)
2. 100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (?, 100; tel: 483-1141)
3. 16 Shmitovskiy proezd (?, 16; tel: 256-2782)
4. 5/20 Suchevsky val (?., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
Are all these places nearby to one another? Or if I arrived in moscow can I contact you for help? Definitely I will pay you for your guide service in moscow to assist me in going into the vietnam community area. Don't worry I will not involve you with them. When I have found their liar you can leave and I will let the course take nature. But hmmm may I know the ambulance no just in case.
Also may I know what can I do with those tel no? Is it a direct tel to call the boss?
Sex Wanderer
06-17-10, 03:55
SW
Only help I can offer is the word "Caution"
Truly a needle in a haystack venture.
Best of luck in your search.
Guido88Thank you for your concern bro. Each day goes by but the heart is pumping very fast on the urge to see her.
Sex Wanderer
06-17-10, 03:56
Don't be a fool!Thanks Climaxnow,
I try not to be a fool but everyone in life there will be oneday or somehow you will be a fool to find true love.
Well now I am the fool to go into russia and vietnam control territory.
Well now I am the fool to go into russia and vietnam control territory.
I'm not sure if this is some sort of twisted joke, or you're just an idiot. Maybe both.
But if you're adamant about this, I'd suggest hiring a private investigator before setting foot in Moscow. Have him do the leg work and see if there's even a chance of finding her. I'm guessing there are plenty of PIs in Moscow who are former KGB and/or police, and will be infinitely more productive than you could ever be.
I know what you're thinking, and no... I don't have any PI to suggest. Hit the local expat forums (redtape.ru and expat.ru) and ask if someone can suggest a reliable one. I did find this, however, doing a simple google search:
http://www.articlesbase.com/infidelity-articles/choosing-a-russia-private-investigator-1962592.html
Angus Magee
06-17-10, 07:48
Thank you for your concern bro. Each day goes by but the heart is pumping very fast on the urge to see her.
"True Love" and pumping hearts have clouded many a man's good judgement. I'm all for that. But I hope eyes are also truly open as to the real nature of this relationship. I would take the comments by some of the experienced Moscow mongers to heart as well.
My 2 cents
AM
Thanks Alxxx,
Just to check, when I arrived in moscow can the taxi driver sent me to those places that you have mentioned? How much will it cost for me to hire a taxi for a day to search these 4 places?
Are all these places nearby to one another?
Also may I know what can I do with those tel no? Is it a direct tel to call the boss?No these places are not nearby each other. I don't know exact prices for taxi to get around all those places. You could negotiate with some private driver, but I'm not an expert in hiring drivers for that kind of thing. You could hire a taxi/car to go separately from one place to another
Those tel #'s are just numbers of regular market administration I guess. I found them online on some Russian websites. And I don't think you can call and ask them smthn like "I'd like to talk to the papa-san please"
But this whole idea seems quite weird for me too. Unless it's really a 'twisted joke' as Pizdyets said.
PIs idea seems to make sence.
When I have found their liar you can leave and I will let the course take nature. But hmmm may I know the ambulance no just in case.
Also may I know what can I do with those tel no? Is it a direct tel to call the boss?What are you going to do with them? No, really! What EXACTLY are you planning to do?
P.S. WTF, for some reason my typings is Russian come out like question marks '?'
Sex Wanderer
06-18-10, 18:09
No these places are not nearby each other. I don't know exact prices for taxi to get around all those places. You could negotiate with some private driver, but I'm not an expert in hiring drivers for that kind of thing. You could hire a taxi/car to go separately from one place to another
Those tel #'s are just numbers of regular market administration I guess. I found them online on some Russian websites. And I don't think you can call and ask them smthn like "I'd like to talk to the papa-san please"
But this whole idea seems quite weird for me too. Unless it's really a 'twisted joke' as Pizdyets said.
PIs idea seems to make sence.
What are you going to do with them? No, really! What EXACTLY are you planning to do?
P.S. WTF, for some reason my typings is Russian come out like question marks '?'Thanks for your help bro and at least I have some contact no to refer to. Hmm I need to plan this trip properly else I will be lost in the lonely planet and worst cant even speak russian language to get it out. So now I am searching for a local guide in the tourist section for personal guide tour service. Maybe they will charge cheaper compared to a PI and at least they know where the vietnamese community is.
Now I have 4 places to hunt and with a russian tour guide that can speak english and knows the place it will help me to narrow it down.
Some in these forum thinks that it will be a risk and a fool to be. I do think that I am still searching my own soul too whether I am really the fool, or got blinded by clouds.
Sex Wanderer
06-18-10, 18:11
"True Love" and pumping hearts have clouded many a man's good judgement. I'm all for that. But I hope eyes are also truly open as to the real nature of this relationship. I would take the comments by some of the experienced Moscow mongers to heart as well.
My 2 cents
AMThanks angus magee. I am still searching and if this relationship fails to open up. I might as well goes by to my own self >>> sex wanderer in the planet Earth again and not able to find the "True Love".
Sex Wanderer
06-18-10, 18:16
I'm not sure if this is some sort of twisted joke, or you're just an idiot. Maybe both.
But if you're adamant about this, I'd suggest hiring a private investigator before setting foot in Moscow. Have him do the leg work and see if there's even a chance of finding her. I'm guessing there are plenty of PIs in Moscow who are former KGB and/or police, and will be infinitely more productive than you could ever be.
I know what you're thinking, and no... I don't have any PI to suggest. Hit the local expat forums (redtape.ru and expat.ru) and ask if someone can suggest a reliable one. I did find this, however, doing a simple google search:
http://www.articlesbase.com/infidelity-articles/choosing-a-russia-private-investigator-1962592.htmlThanks for your information. Yes I do agree with you on hiring one but I am worry of the high charges involve. My budget is about $2000 US so I dont know if it is enough for a PI to find a vietnamese girl in the vietnamese community, get a photoshoot of the place with my girl in it and the full address of their liar. If they are able to meet my budget well hooorayyy it will be a great as I just need to take a cab and rush to that location.
Now searching all these PI as mentioned and asking them for their qoutation on my request.
Bear in mind we don't know the true reason why Sex Wanderer is seeking this girl. Maybe she ran from him or owes him etc. I see no reason to believe his motives and to help him.
And if he is for real, the following song lyrics may be applicable.
Gone Daddy Gone
Beautiful girl,
love the dress
high school smiles,
oh yes
where she is now I can only guess
Cause it's gone daddy gone,
your love is gone
Yeah it's gone daddy gone,
the love is gone
Yes gone daddy gone,
gone away, gone away.
Stravinsky
06-19-10, 16:59
My budget is about $2000 US Good! That should cover your plane ticket and visa.
How do you plan to pay for the other 10,000 USD???
Good! That should cover your plane ticket and visa.
How do you plan to pay for the other 10,000 USD???
LOL :D
I guess Sex Wanderer has no idea how expensive Moscow can be, but I am curious to know how it ends....
Thanks for your information. Yes I do agree with you on hiring one but I am worry of the high charges involve. My budget is about $2000 US so I dont know if it is enough for a PI to find a vietnamese girl in the vietnamese community, get a photoshoot of the place with my girl in it and the full address of their liar. If they are able to meet my budget well hooorayyy it will be a great as I just need to take a cab and rush to that location.
Now searching all these PI as mentioned and asking them for their qoutation on my request.
2000 USD budget for Moscow? One night? :D
Yep moscow in incredibly expencive (or can be so)... It's difficult to find a decent hotel room (not in the centre) under 120 USD (100 €). A nice meal in a nice restaurant (for Russian not for oligarchs) is around 30-50 € of course you can go in a small café at the market in the outskirts of 8-10 USD.
Girls... Usually they start at 10.000 RUB for a nightover... then...
for 2000 USD I would go ti Pattya instead (you can but cheap flights)... cheap hotel, and cheap willing girls.
IT
Sex Wanderer
06-21-10, 18:42
2000 USD budget for Moscow? One night? :D
Yep moscow in incredibly expencive (or can be so)... It's difficult to find a decent hotel room (not in the centre) under 120 USD (100 €). A nice meal in a nice restaurant (for Russian not for oligarchs) is around 30-50 € of course you can go in a small café at the market in the outskirts of 8-10 USD.
Girls... Usually they start at 10.000 RUB for a nightover... then...
for 2000 USD I would go ti Pattya instead (you can but cheap flights)... cheap hotel, and cheap willing girls.
ITWow I didn't know that its so expensive. For me I can stay in any cheap hotel.
Well bros I make some mistake and misunderstanding here. My $2000 USD refer to the PI fee that I am willing to pay for
1. He needs to find the girl I am looking for with pictures taken of her and where she stays.
2. The full address in Russian and translate in simple English so that when I reach the airport I will ask the taxi driver to take me there.
3. Err the PI must tell me if there is any Russian or vietnamese gangster and who and what I should look out for. Also I need the mamasam contact number so that I can act as a customer to call her mamasam seeking for the girl that I want.
Now still searching for pro PI that can meet this budget of $2000 USD. Any ISG bros in this forum use to be a PI?
I am bringing another travel budget of $2000 USD excluding my airticket which I have paid for using my credit card. So that should cover my lodging, taxi and to book my vietnamese girl for 3 days. My girl told me that the customers have to pay only 5000 rub to book them for overnight with only 3 shoots allow then the next day the vietnamese driver will come to pick them up.
Well these is my 1st nerve racking experience to enter into the Russian and vietnamese mafia network of providing young beautiful vietnamese girls to the vietnamese and Chinese communities in moscow.
Cross my fingers.
Stravinsky
06-22-10, 06:48
SW,
Masterful plan, brilliantly conceived, carefully thought-out, every detail thoroughly considered and accounted for.
I only have 1 question...
How will you get your girlfriend out of the country? In order to get out of Russia, she must have a passport and in order to get into the U.S. she must have a visa.
Masterful plan, brilliantly conceived, carefully thought-out, every detail thoroughly considered and accounted for.
I only have 1 question...
How will you get your girlfriend out of the country? In order to get out of Russia, she must have a passport and in order to get into the U.S. she must have a visa.
LOL.
Sounds like it's just a really expensive nookie run to me.
Stravinsky
06-22-10, 08:00
P.
I agree, it seems to be looking that way more and more.
SW,
If you want to go to Moscow to get laid, that's OK We all understand. :)
It's really not necessary to make up a complicated story about the need to rescue the love-of-your-life-sold-into-sex-slavery.
Sex Wanderer
06-22-10, 11:48
P.
I agree, it seems to be looking that way more and more.
SW,
If you want to go to Moscow to get laid, that's OK We all understand. :)
It's really not necessary to make up a complicated story about the need to rescue the love-of-your-life-sold-into-sex-slavery.Hi stravinsky,
Thanks bro for the advice.
Well I am not telling a story here but real life issue and thats why I need all the expert advice from real people living in russia.
The passport is with the boss so I need just to bail her out. Only problem I face is that its their hideout. She will be following back with me to vietnam.
I have search the google map and managed to find their location. Only 3 places are nearby except for (100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (?, 100; tel: 483-1141). This location is a very long highway so I don't know where to look for. Its too far away from the moscow city rings.
The rest are all nearby and they have vietnamese marketplace in it.
41, Koptevskaya st. (?., 41; tel: 450-8759)
16 Shmitovskiy proezd (?, 16; tel: 256-2782)
5/20 Suchevsky val (?., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
I have printed all the maps and the trains available. Then I will be looking for a hotel near to the vietnamese market.
I am seeking all understanding that I need to find her else it will be a 1. 5years of hard banging savalery.
...
How will you get your girlfriend out of the country? ...Even more, how will you convince her to follow you?
So far as we know, she maybe is an independent pro or she has rich sponsor and no reasons for her to change her life.
My girl told me that the customers have to pay only 5000 rub to book them for overnight with only 3 shoots allow then the next day the vietnamese driver will come to pick them up.This in itself sounds fishy. For one thing, if it's overnight, I've never heard of a pre-determined shoot limit. For another, 5K for overnight is low, especially for vyezd, and certainly if she's young and at all good looking. 5K is the going price for just 2 hours of outcall with a decent-looking girl, while 8-10K is standard for overnight.
Stravinsky
06-23-10, 05:20
The passport is with the boss so I need just to bail her out.
She will be following back with me to vietnam.If she will return directly to Vietnam, then the visa won't be a problem.
But she still needs a passport. Do you have any reason to believe that the boss will accept your buy out? Sounds as if she's a valuable asset. He may decide to keep her.
This in itself sounds fishy. For one thing, if it's overnight, I've never heard of a pre-determined shoot limit. For another, 5K for overnight is low... especially for vyezd, and certainly if she's young and at all good looking. 5K is the going price for just 2 hours of outcall with a decent-looking girl, while 8-10K is standard for overnight.Yep due to my experience 8-10 k is standard for overnight (normal girl) you can have a old (above 30) or a chubby (that doesen't mean a soft nice teen...) one for 6-8 k. Nice teen (or so) threeholer teens goes from 12-15 k.
I think that nobody can argue something against that "standard" overnight price in Moscow. Timing is variable. If you offer a dinner and a breakfast (as I usually do) you can get the girl from 7-9 p.m. to 10-11 a.m. For me (with a 20 mg Cialis) enough for 5-6 pops! But in the "pricelist" for overnighters the pops are unlimited not three!
Just two cents
IT
even more.... how will you convince her to follow you ?
so far as we know, she maybe is an independent pro or she has rich sponsor and no reasons for her to change her life...without a proper passport you will never get out russia from an airport or with train or car at a normal border crossing.
i think also on the sponsor: many girls i sponsored in moscow and kiev at the end found a "permanent" sponsor, may be living with him, may be marrying him.
of course... buying out sex slaves! uhmm seems me impossible without getting in big big troubles both with the slavists and with the police (that can be even worse!).
my solution to our friend sex wanderer is simple: find another, but a freebie.
if i had the money (at the time) i would have been defintely be a permanent sponsor of a girl like [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (more than 20 years less than me): skinny, nice, clever, young, a devil in bed (best bbbj + cim + cof ever), totally bisexual (more lesbian than hetero). and we should have gone in the discos (in the province) together for the favourite hobby of both: chasing young teens and tahing them to bed :p :p :p
it
Sex Wanderer
06-25-10, 04:47
Yep due to my experience 8-10 k is standard for overnight (normal girl) you can have a old (above 30) or a chubby (that doesen't mean a soft nice teen...) one for 6-8 k. Nice teen (or so) threeholer teens goes from 12-15 k.
I think that nobody can argue something against that "standard" overnight price in Moscow. Timing is variable. If you offer a dinner and a breakfast (as I usually do) you can get the girl from 7-9 p.m. to 10-11 a.m. For me (with a 20 mg Cialis) enough for 5-6 pops! But in the "pricelist" for overnighters the pops are unlimited not three!!!
Just two cents
ITI am telling the truth bros! Asian cost cheaper than Russian girls! Thats the reason after investigating they only serve vietnamese and Chinese customers for the past 8years in russia. Best part they have been there and nobody in russia knows about it as only a few Russian or europeans went to their community to have sex with the girls there! Best part they are 16 to 28 yrs old so its real cool fresh young asian babes. The price is at 1500rub for a shot in their 3 guestrooms in their hideout and 4500 to 5000rub if you book them overnight to return them back by 7am. Thats asian rate
She told me that they stay on 5th fl and theres a playground below with the market at walking distance. With a photoshop across the street thats owe by Russian but she don't know how to speak the Russian language of the street. Yap the boss is a lady not guy in her late 20s.
So if any of you come of this place please let me know. If you know any vietnamese maybe they will tell you of this hideout near to their viet community. Try viet is you are in budget who knows you may like it.
My solution to our friend Sex Wanderer is simple: FIND ANOTHER, BUT A FREEBIE.
I dunno, IT... I think our friend's strategy holds real promise. Here's how I imagine it:
SexWanderer bumbles around Moscow with his Armenian cab driver sidekick, Dickran, and like Borat in the US of A, seamlessly integrates himself into the Vietnamese community. Working deep undercover at a Vietnamese corner grocery, he spends his nights sweeping rat shit and his days combing the stalls of markets, passing around photos of his True Love (R) in hopes of any lead at all. SexWanderer at long last uncovers the true identity of his lover's pimp, and with the help of two AWOL'd soldiers whom he "befriended" behind his grocery (and for a $10 tip!), they storm the enemy lair with the best weapons he could muster: a sharpened broom handle, a two foot long kolbasa, and a pair of channel lock pliers. With full knowledge of what's in store for him should he try to resist, the pimp reluctantly agrees to give up the girl. After so many johns, however, she's long since forgotten SW and runs into the comforting (and soon groping) arms of one of his drunk comrades. Unfazed, our hero demands that the pimp surrender her passport as well. "Nah so fass, Meestuh Wandell..." says the pimp, as he douses the passport with vodka and sets it ablaze, all the while laughing maniacally. SW launches himself to save the passport but inadvertently sends it into the wall, setting alight the highly flamable oriental rug hung there for aesthetic purposes and sound insulation. As the pimp futilely attempts to control the spread of the flames, our party gives up on the passport and makes a quick exit. Arm-in-arm like Dorothy and her friends in The Wizard of Oz, SexWanderer and his party skip down the streets of Moscow, pausing only briefly to turn and watch the thick black smoke emerging from the pimp's apartment block.
Angus Magee
06-25-10, 08:18
I dunno, IT... I think our friend's strategy holds real promise. Here's how I imagine it:...
Gold baby, you got gold. Real rock solid 24 carat stuff. I think we can work out a picture deal here. I'm picturing Brad & Angie in the main roles. Yeah I know Angie is a bit tall and not really Vietnamese but we'll use make up and maybe have her work on her knees. I think Claud Van 'D and Chuck are available for the side kick roles and Bobby De Niro is looking for work. I'm thinking, the pimp. It'll help give it that gangster flavor. Working title? How about Moscow White Knights!
Gold baby, you got gold. Real rock solid 24 carat stuff. I think we can work out a picture deal here. I'm picturing Brad & Angie in the main roles. Yeah I know Angie is a bit tall and not really Vietnamese but we'll use make up and maybe have her work on her knees. I think Claud Van 'D and Chuck are available for the side kick roles and Bobby De Niro is looking for work. I'm thinking, the pimp. It'll help give it that gangster flavor. Working title? How about Moscow White Knights!
Yep but there is a basic wrong thing... :D :D
Going to Moscow for a Vietnamese girl... Must be some thing wrong...
I go to Moscow for blondinkas...! :p
IT
Stravinsky
06-25-10, 19:02
pausing only briefly to turn and watch the thick black smoke emerging from the pimp's apartment block.P.
LOL!
But, wait, no... this is not the ending yet. He still has to get her back to Vietnam.
So, after they skip away from the burning pimp, they all hop into a taxi, who just happens to be waiting for them, and after a raucous ride to Sheremetevo II, involving bottles of vodka and choruses of "Katyusha" they arrive at the airport. They rush into the terminal and arrive at passport control. SW's girlfriend presents her charred passport to the bored inspector, who frowns at the young girl at first, but of course, cannot resist the beauty of her youth and the infectious nature of her smile as she explains to him that she accidently dropped it into the shashlik at her birthday party. They all laugh congenially and he allows them both to pass without a problem. As they run away towards their departure gate, he raises his hand in fond farewell and a somewhat melancholy smile appears on his face as he watches the two young lovers disappear into the crowd, remembering himself the squandered promise of his own mis-spent youth.
Freeze frame.
Cue the theme song of an old Fellini film.
конец филма
Roll credits.
Gentleman Travel
06-25-10, 20:30
Actually this film was already made last year - called Taken, except it has an American girl kidnapped in Paris and sold into sex slavery there. Maybe this could be a sequel with a low-class Vietnamese girl taking the role of the buxom blonde Maggie Grace and Sex Wanderer standing in for Liam Neeson as an international man of mystery. Coming to a theatre near you...
But seriously Wanderer, if you are serious, you are going about this all wrong.
You show up in Moscow trying to get this girl back, if you could ever find her, and either you will wake up dead at the bottom of a river, or - best case scenario - her pimps will decide that they need $10,000+ to compensate them for the loss of earnings of this priceless gem of the Orient.
Instead, contact her parents and tell them you can buy back their debt if their lender can get back their daughter. That will be much cheaper and any rip-off will probably go into the pockets of her parents instead of the Moscow mafia.
P.
LOL!
But, wait, no... this is not the ending yet. He still has to get her back to Vietnam.
So, after they skip away from the burning pimp, they all hop into a taxi, who just happens to be waiting for them, and after a raucous ride to Sheremetevo II, involving bottles of vodka and choruses of "Katyusha" they arrive at the airport. They rush into the terminal and arrive at passport control. SW's girlfriend presents her charred passport to the bored inspector, who frowns at the young girl at first, but of course, cannot resist the beauty of her youth and the infectious nature of her smile as she explains to him that she accidently dropped it into the shashlik at her birthday party. They all laugh congenially and he allows them both to pass without a problem. As they run away towards their departure gate, he raises his hand in fond farewell and a somewhat melancholy smile appears on his face as he watches the two young lovers disappear into the crowd, remembering himself the squandered promise of his own mis-spent youth.
Freeze frame.
Cue the theme song of an old Fellini film.
конец филма
Roll credits.
Sex Wanderer
06-25-10, 20:52
But seriously Wanderer, if you are serious, you are going about this all wrong.
You show up in Moscow trying to get this girl back, if you could ever find her, and either you will wake up dead at the bottom of a river, or. Best case scenario. Her pimps will decide that they need $10, 000+ to compensate them for the loss of earnings of this priceless gem of the Orient.err anyone in moscow sell bullet proof vest?. So anyone in moscow knows of this place?
1. She told me she staying 5th floor.
2. Below is a playground.
3. Across the street is a photo shop owe by Russian
4. The market is nearby walking distance of 10mins.
5. Only 3 rooms with attached bath room in their house.
6. The final calling price after I have investigate is 1000rub for 1 shot and overnight is 4000 rub to return back by 7am next day.
7. Only vietnamese gang there no Russian gang.
So do any of the ISG bros have any vietnamese staffs working for you? Maybe they know of this liar that have been operating for the past 8 years till now so secertive that none of you even knows that it exist in moscow except the blondie there.
As for the movie idea hmmm its good if I make it alive I definitely will write a book about it but I need to buy a bullet proof vest because they have guns with them too.
My book title <saving moscow escape in 36hrs
1. She told me she staying 5th floor.
OMG - now I know exactly where she's at! Because only 99.99% of the buildings in Moscow have 5+ floors.
2. Below is a playground.
Really narrowed it down with this one. Only a thousand "detskie ploschadki" in Moscow...
3. Across the street is a photo shop owe by Russian
Photo shop... maybe only a couple hundred of them in Moscow. Interesting nugget is that it's owned by a Russian. Probably knocked a dozen off the list, maybe two, leaving you with... a couple hundred.
4. The market is nearby walking distance of 10mins.
Oh! Near the market! Unsurprisingly in a city of 16 million people, there are a few dozen markets in Moscow. Izmailovsky? Savyolovsky? Rizhsky? Dorogomilovsky? Danilovsky?
This is almost laughable. How you could get all this (useless) information, and not have a simple STREET ADDRESS is beyond me. I was transliterating from Cyrillic to Latin characters (with no prior Russian study) on my first trip to Moscow. It looks intimidating at first, but it's not that hard. Really.
I will not post on this topic any more. I've offered you the best advice I could, and that was to hire a private investigator before setting foot in Russia. You are less than useless here, and as many have already pointed out, there's a really good chance of you getting injured or worse should you go about this on your own.
Below is extract from Article 'The Russian Mafia in Asia' re: an attempt to pay a girl free from the mafia. By Bertil Lintner (3 February, 1996)
" On July 24th, 1994, a couple was found dead in a dingy flat in a working-class suburb of Vladivostok in the Russian Far East. The man had been shot once through the eye and the girl had been tortured and then shot in the head. Such murders are everyday occurrences in today's Russia and mostly pass unnoticed in the world of drive-by shootings, kidnappings, smuggling and gambling which characterise the port city of Vladivostok even more than other places in the Russian Wild East.
But this case received the attention of even the world media when the identity of the murdered couple became known. The man turned out to be Gary Alderdice, a 48-year old New Zealander, a top Queen's Counsel and one of Hong Kong's leading criminal lawyers, as well as a well-known socialite in the British colony. The girl, who was found tied to a chair in a dingy flat in Vladivostok, was identified as Natalia Samofalova, a 20-year old Russian prostitute whom Alderdice had first met at the Skylight nightclub in the Hotel Presidente on Avenida Da Amizade in Macau.
The police investigation into the case revealed that Alderdice had had US$ 150,000 in cash on him just hours before he and his Russian girlfriend were shot. This led to speculations that he had gone to Vladivostok to buy Natalia free from the syndicate which many suspected had controlled her when she worked as a nightclub dancer in Macau only weeks before her escape with Alderdice. According to the police investigation, Natalia had entered Macau in August 1993 and first met Alderdice in March 1994. In May, she left her work at the Skylight to live with the New Zealand lawyer.
The front for the syndicate which had sent Natalia and other Russian girls to Macau was the "tourism department" of a local "firm" in Siberia called Dialog Naradov ("Dialogue of Nations"). A "chief executive" of that company, Sergei Guramovitch Sukhanov, was seen in the area on the night of the murders, which seemed to strengthen that suspicion.
However, Hong Kong lawyer Michael Lunn, a colleague of Alderdice, went to Vladivostok shortly after the murder to identify the corpse - and to find out more about the case. He returned to Hong Kong in July 1994 with the conclusion that the sole motive for the murder was robbery. He also questioned press reports that Alderdice was carrying as much as US$ 150,000 with him, saying he entered Russia with less than US$ 3,000. "
Angus Magee
06-26-10, 10:18
7. Only vietnamese gang there no Russian gang.
Oh-Only Vietnamese gangs. <rolls eyes>
This ain't going to end well.
OMG - now I know exactly where she's at! Because only 99.99% of the buildings in Moscow have 5+ floors. etc etc etc....
I agree with you my friend... he is totally useless....
1. Just remarkable... 99% Agree totally
2. Almost every concrete soviet block komunalka have a playground
3. Photo shop/depatment? Probably some thousands in Moscow....
4. Frankly speaking... I do not know a place in Moscow (apart the central area) more far than 20 minutes walk from a big or small (by Russian standards) Rinok!
5. Normal house size of soviet times... Komunalka!
6. Seems really too cheap for Moscow at least...
7. May be when you arte in Vietnam you can search for a Russian blonde, pale white skinned one?
As Pizdyets says... learn to write an address... (Russian way)
This is how a address (for pedestrain use not for postal one) should be written in Moscow...
Москва, м. Партизанская, Измайловское ш., д. 71, корпус Дельта, 6 этаж, офис XXX
It's the address of an office inside the Izmailovo complex, for a private house you will write:
k. XX (the apartment number...)
Pls next time do your homework...
Just my two cents...
PS By the way (for who uses mamba, love, flirt, etc...) These are what I would like to smuggle out of Russia and intstall in my home... unfortunately... by the way they are not blonde, but who really cares? http://flirt.com.ua/nasta-petroba/
err anyone in moscow sell bullet proof vest?. So anyone in moscow knows of this place?
1. She told me she staying 5th floor.
2. Below is a playground.
3. Across the street is a photo shop owe by Russian
4. The market is nearby walking distance of 10mins.
5. Only 3 rooms with attached bath room in their house.
6. The final calling price after I have investigate is 1000rub for 1 shot and overnight is 4000 rub to return back by 7am next day.
7. Only vietnamese gang there no Russian gang.
So do any of the ISG bros have any vietnamese staffs working for you? Maybe they know of this liar that have been operating for the past 8 years till now so secertive that none of you even knows that it exist in moscow except the blondie there.
As for the movie idea hmmm its good if I make it alive I definitely will write a book about it but I need to buy a bullet proof vest because they have guns with them too.
My book title <saving moscow escape in 36hrs
SW
Clearly you have no idea what you are thinking of doing. Reality will be a harsh education.
Time to find a new pair of legs.
Guido88
SW's girlfriend presents her charred passport to the bored inspector...as she explains to him that she accidently dropped it into the shashlik at her birthday party.
IS,
Wait a minute.
What about this?
as he douses the passport with vodka and sets it ablaze...our party gives up on the passport and makes a quick exit.
Seriously Strav, we'll have to do better than this.
As your executive producer (and occasional Viennese consultant), I don't want to be reading this as a "goof" in some future Imdb review. :)
Back to work...
VG.
PS By the way (for who uses mamba, love, flirt, etc...) These are what I would like to smuggle out of Russia and intstall in my home... unfortunately... by the way they are not blonde, but who really cares? http://flirt.com.ua/nasta-petroba/
IT - looks like you and Doc have similar tastes. "Miya" looks to be something right up his alley, so to speak! Not that I'd throw her out of bed on a cold winter night, but I prefer girls who look a tad more mature (say, 21-24).
This girl is definitely "working" though. In her profile it states "Boys - I won't respond to stupid questions. Better to cut straight to the point and come over!"
it - looks like you and doc have similar tastes. "miya" looks to be something right up his alley, so to speak! not that i'd throw her out of bed on a cold winter night, but i prefer girls who look a tad more mature (say, 21-24).
this girl is definitely "working" though. in her profile it states "boys - i won't respond to stupid questions. better to cut straight to the point and come over!"
sometimes i loke well educated ones in the late twnties... sometimes i like the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) style ones and these two seems really.... how shall i say the main cause of a heart attack?
will lock them in the bedroom for a couple of weeks, unfortunately i cant...
it
Stravinsky
06-27-10, 17:29
Seriously Strav, we'll have to do better than this.VG,
OMG, people actually read this stuff? You must have waaay too much time on your hands.
Sorry about the discontinuity: I guess you missed the re-write session. We added another scene. Just as they are about to leave the burning building, the Vietnamese girlfriend (who was always the smart one anyway) realizes that she can't return home without her passport and rushes back in to pry her charred passport from the charred hand of the burning pimp. She then rushes out of the burning building, just before it collapses.
Cut to taxi waiting to take them to airport.
As the executive producer, can you sign off on that? Or do we need to get the director involved?
Interesting... I always thought you were my Wiener consultant. :)
the Vietnamese girlfriend...rushes back in to pry her charred passport from the charred hand of the burning pimp.
IS,
Apologies, dozed off over my Schitzel.
But I've just seen the rushes and the severed "charred hand" is still attached to the passport as she hands it over to the "bored inspector".
Better call that director. :)
VG.
Yes, I know I'm usually the one supplying the info, but was hoping that some n00b lurkers out there could give back a little.
Which clubs (quality aside) have crowds on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday? Papa's (Doug Steele's latest "renovation" project) has college night on Mondays and Latin night on Tuesday - both with lots of people - but I simply hate it. Propaganda has a crowd on Sundays, I think, but that's apparently gay night. And recent trips to Che, Karma, Garage, Parisian Life, Coyote and my other usual Lubyanka/Chisty Prudy/Kitai Gorod haunts haven't turned up anything. Any tips?
Sex Wanderer
06-29-10, 08:02
IS,
Apologies, dozed off over my Schitzel.
But I've just seen the rushes and the severed "charred hand" is still attached to the passport as she hands it over to the "bored inspector".
Better call that director. :)
VG.Nope I will act the exclusive rights for this if someone really put this into a movie as "Taken 2" shooting in moscow!
Thanks to all ISG bros for the recent concern, I am so touched and wow seen so many scriptwriters coming in.
Hmmmm maybe the next one I should try "HongKong" Running from Chinese gangsters". But I will still keep trying to find the vietnamese girl 1st.
Yes I am engaging a private investigator on this so let see how it goes and maybe I will do it as according to the ISG plan! Burning of the pimp liar.
Garage
of course Garage has been closed for over a year... I meant Tunnel.
Yes, I know I'm usually the one supplying the info.
Wot ! your 'the one' supplying the info. Wot! i not so sure about that one )
cheers
Stravinsky
06-29-10, 16:15
But I've just seen the rushes and the severed "charred hand" is still attached to the passport as she hands it over to the "bored inspector".VG,
Yes, that's true. The AD of the Moscow unit had the idea to include a scene where the Vietnamese girlfriend cut off the hand of the burning pimp with one of those butterfly swithchblades that she keeps tucked away in her garter (those Viet girls are very good with those things) and then carry it with her to the airport. But the director nixed the idea after seeing the rushes, so it ended up on the cutting room floor. Except of course, there is no cutting room floor, since we are shooting this film with digital cameras. Seems the director thought there was just way too much sex and violence in films nowadays.
We're in post-production now, looking at a release date in L.A. sometime before Christmas. That way we should qualify for Academy consideration. Who knows??? :)
Nick - if memory serves, you're a Kiwi, right? If so, you should know better. :)
Thank you, I quite agree I do know that many people supply info on this forum.
Thank you, I quite agree I do know that many people supply info on this forum.
Yeah... that's why no one responded at all to my query. :)
Face it, there's a very small handful of us here who report on the nightclub (as opposed to stripclub) scene. Pretty much just Passepartout, Doc and myself. Speaking of which, the current scene is simply horrible. Where have all the attractive girls disappeared to? The question is, of course, rhetorical. This summer is a scorcher and the hot deffki have better things to do, better places to see than the sweaty interior of a downtown club. Recent visits to Che, Coyote Ugly and Real McCoy turned up very little of interest.
On a bright note, I had the unexpected pleasure of (re-)visiting the strip club in Olympic Stadium, called either "Show Girls" or "KoKo" depending upon who you ask. In a word, it's the anti-Aurora. More cabaret show than strip club, the focus is less on sex and more on titillation. Management encourages the girls - who act more like family than co-workers - to get to know their clients. That includes sitting with them for hours - chatting, smoking kalyan, and of course drinking. Very different than the "wham, bam, thank you sir" attitude at Aurora with its management wearing a permanent frown and keeping the girls in constant, unending rotation in hopes of driving up their revenues. And, interestingly enough, the management at Show Girls actually likes the girls to hook up with clients outside the club. The owner, apparently, met his wife in a strip club and I heard him boasting about how many girls from his club ended up marrying his clients and starting families! Not sure I'll hang out there often, but if you're looking for companionship, conversation and attention more than sex (which in this town, is trivial to find at any salon) then this is the place for you.
CastOnThis
07-06-10, 13:39
Yeah. That's why no one responded at all to my query.
Face it, there's a very small handful of us here who report on the nightclub (as opposed to stripclub) scene. Pretty much just Passepartout, Doc and myself. Speaking of which, the current scene is simply horrible. Where have all the attractive girls disappeared to? The question is, of course, rhetorical. This summer is a scorcher and the hot deffki have better things to do, better places to see than the sweaty interior of a downtown club. Recent visits to Che, Coyote Ugly and Real McCoy turned up very little of interest.
On a bright note, I had the unexpected pleasure of (re-)visiting the strip club in Olympic Stadium, called either "Show Girls" or "KoKo" depending upon who you ask. In a word, it's the anti-Aurora. More cabaret show than strip club, the focus is less on sex and more on titillation. Management encourages the girls. Who act more like family than co-workers. To get to know their clients. That includes sitting with them for hours. Chatting, smoking kalyan, and of course drinking. Very different than the "wham, bam, thank you sir" attitude at Aurora with its management wearing a permanent frown and keeping the girls in constant, unending rotation in hopes of driving up their revenues. And, interestingly enough, the management at Show Girls actually likes the girls to hook up with clients outside the club. The owner, apparently, met his wife in a strip club and I heard him boasting about how many girls from his club ended up marrying his clients and starting families! Not sure I'll hang out there often, but if you're looking for companionship, conversation and attention more than sex (which in this town, is trivial to find at any salon) then this is the place for you.Can you post the address of that club? And also are the women good looking or not really?
Stravinsky
07-06-10, 19:14
Can you post the address of that club? And also are the women good looking or not really?www.showgirlsclub.ru
Can you post the address of that club? And also are the women good looking or not really?
Thanks for the assist, Strav. And yes, the girls are quite good looking. Starting at 6s and working up to 9+ nearly-perfect ice princesses (or as they say in Russian, "snow queens"), including every shape/size/tint you could possibly want. I did notice that there was only a single black girl there (Aurora and Penthouse usually have more). From my brief discussions, seems that most of the girls are from the Moscow regions: Ryazan, Tver, Kaluga and so on. Of course if you ask a girl in a strip club (especially as a foreigner), they'll usually claim that they're from Moscow. But if you then start pressing them for info (and I know Moscow pretty well after 10 years), they'll usually cough up the goods on their real origin. Like I give a shit if they're native Moskvichki or not!
Was just reading the website (I think it's Russian only - sorry). And under "special offers", it states that sex is not allowed on the club premises, and that if you can prove to the contrary there's a guaranteed $300 reward. Good luck, boys! :)
BTW, I see that they have 2 karaoke places listed as "friends". And Metelitsa on New Arbat is also turning into a karaoke joint. Are the Mongol hordes invading Russia again? Speaking more directly to the point, has anybody had a real "KTV" experience here in Moscow? I'm not a huge KTV fan, but I have to admit that it's fun in groups occasionally.
Stravinsky
07-07-10, 01:37
P.
The website gives this address...
Москва. Олимпийский проспект 16. стр 1.
СК "Олимпийский" между 2 и 3 подъездом
and it says entry is at Club KOKO
вход в клуб "КОКО"
Is that your recollection, or is that just old info?
Nick - if memory serves, you're a Kiwi, right? If so, you should know better. :)
I had a couple of PM’s over this one, so i better add - number one being what are you naming my nationality for?? And what are you trying to infer?? Especially considering what your nationality is, your really the last to try to infer anything upon anyones nationality )).
Pull your head in you dorky ex-pat. Stop being so smug and conceited ))
Face it, many people make worthwhile contributions to this forum.
Cheers Nickc
P.S. As for Showgirls Moscow, its a waste of space, strictly rules from the united states, window shopping only, and expensive window shopping at that.
The only club in that area is Penthouse. ))
Stravinsky
07-07-10, 07:02
Pull your head in you dorky ex-pat. Stop being so smug and conceited ))Nick,
Sad to say, but there aren't a lot of people who make worthwhile contributions to this forum on a regular basis. Of the members who are on the ground in Moscow and do have something valuable to contribute, there are only 2: Doc and Pizdyets.
The rest of us chime in, as and when we can, but the majority of the chatter is just people talking off the top of their head: a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
BTW - Your insecurity is really very unflattering. Best keep it to yourself.
I had a couple of PM’s over this one, so i better add - number one being what are you naming my nationality for?? And what are you trying to infer?? Especially considering what your nationality is, your really the last to try to infer anything upon anyones nationality )).
Chill out, mate, no need to go agro on my ass. Flame wars really aren't my thing. I simply guessed that you're a native English speaker, and should know that English needn't be taken so literally.
P.S. As for Showgirls Moscow, its a waste of space, strictly rules from the united states, window shopping only, and expensive window shopping at that.
If you want sex ON SITE... it is NOT the place to go. But strip clubs are a bad deal when it comes to sex anyway. $300 per hour? That's some mighty pricey pussy. Standard price at salons, apartments or mamba is $80/hour.
The only club in that area is Penthouse.
"That area" meaning Moscow? Because they're not proximally located. Aurora, in fact, is quite a bit closer to Show Girls than Penthouse.
P.
The website gives this address...
Москва. Олимпийский проспект 16. стр 1.
СК "Олимпийский" между 2 и 3 подъездом
and it says entry is at Club KOKO
вход в клуб "КОКО"
Is that your recollection, or is that just old info?
That's right. It's actually IN the Olympic Stadium. Going north on Olimpisky Prospect, you'll just pass the stadium when you'll see a paybooth and barrier to a ramp taking you to the second level parking lot. Go up the ramp, through the parking lot, and around to the back side of the stadium. It'll be the place with all the taxis lined up. :)
Chill out, mate, no need to go agro on my ass. Flame wars really aren't my thing. I simply guessed that you're a native English speaker, and should know that English needn't be taken so literally.
Thanks for reply. Me chill out?? um! you talk about my nationality and make inferences of it, and then tell me to chill out?? wot ? If flame wars aren't your thing don't make inferences of others nationalities. I don't understand your "native English speaker" excuse, what nonsense. The PMs i had regards this were from other Kiwis working in Moscow. they know !! We don't go shoot our mouths of in Moscow about who we are.
To Stravinskie
There are more members on this forum on the ground in Moscow than you know. I'm quite secure in my report that Pizdyets has no business shooting of his mouth, even if he is your pal. I'm sorry if that makes you insecure. He attacks me and you blame me. Nonsense. Might i add where were you when Bez was making wild attacks on people in this forum? where was your report about his insecurity? He's your pal, thats the answer. So don't preach to me.
Thanks for reply. Me chill out?? um! you talk about my nationality and make inferences of it, and then tell me to chill out?? wot ? If flame wars aren't your thing don't make inferences of others nationalities. I don't understand your "native English speaker" excuse, what nonsense. The PMs i had regards this were from other Kiwis working in Moscow. they know !!
Okay, answer this... what could I possibly have against Kiwis? You guys produce some of the best lamb and venison on the planet, not to mention Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc, Flight of the Conchords, Split Enz, legalized prostitution, Peter Jackson, Weta Digital, need I go on?
Seriously, this is just silly.
Okay, answer this... what could I possibly have against Kiwis? You guys produce some of the best lamb and venison on the planet, not to mention Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc, Flight of the Conchords, Split Enz, legalized prostitution, Peter Jackson, Weta Digital, need I go on?
Seriously, this is just silly.
Oh! stop it! stop it! your making feel bad. I love you to. Jesus! just stop it!
don't rub it in, its embarressing. I hate you! ) I'll never be able to make another report on here, except in response to another member P.S. to all, we're organising a supporters group from Russia to support Russia in next years Rugby World Cup in NZ. Russians and expats are coming. An abundance of foreign working girls will follow to that World Cup. They Play 4 games including the USA Sept 15. Goodbye
Stravinsky
07-07-10, 16:20
There are more members on this forum on the ground in Moscow than you know.You're absolutely right about that. If you will go back and read Pizdyets' first post, this is exactly what he was referring to. All of the guys who read this board on a regular basis and take info from it (or live vicariously off of it), but never once make the effort to contribute themselves. Apparently you know all of these guys personally, and you PM each other, to avoid being discovered. Pizdyets is simply saying that he's tired of carrying the load, that's all. So, instead of ragging his ass, why don't you step in and take over? Let's have some interesting, thoughtful, insightful and entertaining posts from you.
The only contribution I recall you making was an excellent report on Vladivostok, which was very much welcome since no one every seems to write about Vladivostok much. But then, Vladivostok is not Moscow, is it?
I never met Bez, don't know the guy, but if you had contributed as much to the ISG/WSG as he has, then I would let you rant and rave all you want to. Get another 1,000 posts, or so, under your belt first, before you can start throwing your weight around.
So, you're living in Moscow now, and you're pretty proud of yourself (you and your anonymous friends). Probably figure you've got the place sussed. Well, get over it fella, because when it comes to Moscow, you don't even know, what you don't know. You're just one in 30,000,000 and no one gives a rat's ass about you. If you're going to survive in Russia, you better have a thicker skin than that.
I have to admit, however, you are right about one thing. Your problem is not insecurity. It's paranoia.
support Russia in next years Rugby World Cup in NZHonestly, among the FSU countries, Georgia has IMO much more chances. :p
To Stainvinsky -
"Pisveyts carrying the load"? what load? what are you on about? he writes some reports, big deal! No-one's saving the world here. What do you mean me "ragging his ass!" i responded to criticism. Fair enough. I have made many "interesting, thoughtful, insightful and entertaining posts" on this forum. If the only report of mine you can remember is a Vladivostok report well then your've got a very poor memory, thats not my problem. Don't preach to me, your sounding like a smug and deluded man. And as for Bez's posts, the majority of then are pure drivel. He's been running around other forums insulting others and getting his posts deleted and banned. He's on his final warning, next time he's gone. And i say good riddance to him. Its his kind of reports and pathetic criticism that has made many apprehensive about writing reports. And as for saying "you don't even know, what you don't know" don't be a dick, you really are smug and conceited. And as for my so called 'anonymous friends', i have kiwi friends in Moscow, so what ! big deal, am i supposed to name them or something. You confuse youself with someone who has something to say. Don't be the man whos head expanded. Your report creeps of paranoia. So what else have you got to shoot of about ?? here you are "ragging my ass!" you hypocrite! lets make one thing clear, after what you write, i don't care what you think. In fact if you did like what i wrote well then i would be questioning what i wrote.
Look in the mirror pal. Don't waste our time anymore on this. As Pisveyts said, its over. So get over it. Save you tic tac toe for someone who cares. Cheers Nickc
To Stainvinsky.
"Pisveyts carrying the load"? What load? What are you on about? He writes some reports, big deal! No-one's saving the world here. What do you mean me "ragging his ass! " I responded to criticism. Fair enough. I have made many "interesting, thoughtful, insightful and entertaining posts" on this forum. If the only report of mine you can remember is a Vladivostok report well then your've got a very poor memory, thats not my problem. Don't preach to me, your sounding like a smug and deluded man. And as for Bez's posts, the majority of then are pure drivel. He's been running around other forums insulting others and getting his posts deleted and banned. He's on his final warning, next time he's gone. And I say good riddance to him. Its his kind of reports and pathetic criticism that has made many apprehensive about writing reports. And as for saying "you don't even know, what you don't know" don't be a dick, you really are smug and conceited. And as for my so called 'anonymous friends', I have kiwi friends in Moscow, so what! Big deal, am I supposed to name them or something. You confuse youself with someone who has something to say. Don't be the man whos head expanded. Your report creeps of paranoia. So what else have you got to shoot of about? Here you are "ragging my ass! " you hypocrite! Lets make one thing clear, after what you write, I don't care what you think. In fact if you did like what I wrote well then I would be questioning what I wrote.
Look in the mirror pal. Don't waste our time anymore on this. As Pisveyts said, its over. So get over it. Save you tic tac toe for someone who cares. Cheers NickcI like Bez's posts.
Stravinsky
07-08-10, 15:10
Nick,
Looking forward to your leadership of the Moscow board. :)
Nick,
Looking forward to your leadership of the Moscow board. :)
I have already made many great reports on Moscow and sometimes only met criticism. What happens is that the meaningful reports are getting diluted down by nonsense.
if you had contributed as much to the ISG/WSG as he (Bez) has, then I would let you rant and rave all you want to.
I completely disagree that any senior member earns the right to attack and insult other members. Bez has actually been following others members of this forum on other threads and attacking them. In one instance he gloats about being their “king pain in the ass”. Some people are trying to make meaningful reports and others are just out to criticise. That’s the problem with this forum is aloof and smug senior members. Its that whole United Statesian thing of egotistically and vainly big mouthing others.
Get another 1,000 posts, or so, under your belt first, before you can start throwing your weight around.
If I had a 1000 posts I’ld never do that to genuine members, I would only ever try to encourage them. The number of posts is completely irrelevant. Some members simply use this forum as some sort of social club and thats how they build up 900 posts etc.
Prehaps less is more, prehaps if no-one actually has anything real and meaningful to report prehaps the forum should go quiet until someone does. That would make it easier for anyone new to find meaningful information, and isn’t that the whole point of the forum? What happens is this forum gets diluted down with nonsense and fantasy reports and vain self important us Senior members like Bez attacking others.
Cheers Nickc
Its that whole United Statesian thing of egotistically and vainly big mouthing others. OK Nick, this time you have gone too far. This thread has gone from personal to national and now it's bordering on abusive. Let's end this discussion before someone says something they will regret.
Toptraveler1
07-09-10, 01:16
Hello,
I need to know if there is any other expat club, except Ché, in Moscow and if there is any where we can dance salsa and "meet" girls?
Thanks
OK Jake. I’m with you. Believe me I heavily edited my response. I do reserve the right to respond when unfairly criticised and abused. I don’t believe that any senior member earns the right to attack and insult other members. Maybe it about time somebody spoke up and cleared the air. Cheers Nickc
Hello,
I need to know if there is any other expat club, except Ché, in Moscow and if there is any where we can dance salsa and "meet" girls?
Thanks
I saw Salsa at Karma bar Club, it looks great, i'ld love to give it a go. They do classes there as well. What a great idea. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm sure you could google their website, or just go there and ask. Its at the beginning of Pushechnaya Street.
Hello,
I need to know if there is any other expat club, except Ché, in Moscow and if there is any where we can dance salsa and "meet" girls?
Thanks It's been over a year since I have been there, but Pancho Villa is (was) a great place with a following if luscious babes who love to salsa dance. It is located on Leninsky Prospect near the President Hotel. There is (was) a core group if girls who have been to Cuba several times to perfect the art plus a whole gaggle of wanna-be's who are eager to find a dance partner.
Girls + latin music + alcohol = sex (well, almost always)
Boa sorte!!!! Suerte!!!
It's been over a year since I have been there, but Pancho Villa is (was) a great place with a following if luscious babes who love to salsa dance. It is located on Leninsky Prospect near the President Hotel. There is (was) a core group if girls who have been to Cuba several times to perfect the art plus a whole gaggle of wanna-be's who are eager to find a dance partner.
Girls + latin music + alcohol = sex (well, almost always)
Boa sorte!!!! Suerte!!!
Karma Bar is done (ie don't bother - recent trips there have been D-E-A-D, even on weekend nights)
Pancho Villa is okay (and it's 2 min walk from Oktyabrskaya metro)
Staraya Gabana (Old Havana) is a place worthy of checking out (Fri/Sat, mainly), even though it's outside of downtown.
Karma Bar is done (ie don't bother - recent trips there have been D-E-A-D, even on weekend nights)
Pancho Villa is okay (and it's 2 min walk from Oktyabrskaya metro)
Staraya Gabana (Old Havana) is a place worthy of checking out (Fri/Sat, mainly), even though it's outside of downtown.
Just remembered... Tiki Bar has salsa every Tuesday: http://www.tiki-bar.ru/ Lessons start at 7pm, and then there's a an open "party" until 1am.
Toptraveler1
07-15-10, 12:56
Thank you for these informations. But where is exactly Staraya Gabana? IS there the same kind of clients than in downtown?
Karma Bar is done (ie don't bother - recent trips there have been D-E-A-D, even on weekend nights)
Pancho Villa is okay (and it's 2 min walk from Oktyabrskaya metro)
Staraya Gabana (Old Havana) is a place worthy of checking out (Fri/Sat, mainly), even though it's outside of downtown.
Thank you for these informations. But where is exactly Staraya Gabana? IS there the same kind of clients than in downtown?
You wouldn't believe how well these new-fangled things called internet search engines work! I mean, you just enter in a few keywords like "Staraya", "Gabana" and maybe, say... "Moscow", and low-and-behold, the appropriate URLs pop up just like magic. There's one in particular that I've been using as of late with the curious name of "Google". Mark my words, boys, my spidey-sense says that these guys might be onto something big!
No, no... I'm going about this all wrong. ALL WRONG. Word has it that four out of five Kiwis lurkers on this forum already find me "smug", and I'm doing the exact darn thing that will reinforce that opinion. Therefore as an act of recompense, I'll google the club myself, excruciatingly filter through dozens of possible leads with a fine mesh sieve and serve it up in a hypoallergenic bottle with a nipple anatomically-identical to Russia's self-proclaimed "Most Famous Pornstar", Elena Berkova.
And it's even in English!
http://www.old-havana.ru/?page=restarsn&lang=en
Stravinsky
07-19-10, 06:05
P.
Home alone again on a Sunday afternoon, eh? You really should get out more. ;)
p.
home alone again on a sunday afternoon, eh? you really should get out more. ;)
i'm way ahead of you, strav. 11 time zones, in fact. :)
doesn't dismiss the fact that yes, i was alone in my flat at midnight. <sniff>
sour grapes aside, it's too hot here for sex. went out on friday with a friend and the clubs had half the crowds as usual. and it's clear why: each was between 35 and 40 degrees inside. and you could just imagine the smell. as a native would say: "foo!"
All the times I'm not in Moscow (or Kiev) a couple of identical twins appears on the market. So angry!
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
IT
Angus Magee
07-19-10, 09:47
All the times I'm not in Moscow (or Kiev) a couple of identical twins appears on the market. So angry!
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
IT
Nice, puts me in mind of our hero's Russian twins adventure that I am sure you are familiar with. Ines & Inga.This link is just a preview but the full version can not be hard to find on the net. I myself have it on disc.
http://www.pornstarnetwork.com/video/ines-inga-18776.html
A another Woodman classic.
AM
Nice, puts me in mind of our hero's Russian twins adventure that I am sure you are familiar with. Ines & Inga.This link is just a preview but the full version can not be hard to find on the net. I myself have it on disc.
http://www.pornstarnetwork.com/video/ines-inga-18776.html
A another Woodman classic.
AM
Woodman is a real master... two 19/20 y.o. identical twins... skinny and petite, unfortunately I prefer those seeming Russian (blonde etc.), but of ourse if I found them in the bed... I'll let them stay! :p :p :p
Seen the trailer and the thumbs... Woodman I think one of the most envied man on earth, but when you do twins (not done yet) or sisters (several times, four couples) you have to get them both in bed and wander from pink to pink...
May be now Bez says I'm a perverted man...
IT
They are not Russian but Latvian.
And not identical twins for sure.
Ines is 1,5 years old than Inga.
Look here:
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/ines.html
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/inga.html
Angus Magee
07-19-10, 23:07
They are not Russian but Latvian.
And not identical twins for sure.
Ines is 1,5 years old than Inga.
Yeah, but close enough I would say for me. I am not that insistent that the girls be 100% factual & honest. Just make the story at least plausible so I don't look too big a fool believing it;)
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
Yeah, even the pics look fake. Worth checking out though. :)
Solntsa Yada and I were in Violette last year and he had a couple of girls dancing for him. He leaned over and said "hey, I think these girls are twins!" Hmm... I thought about it. They did look similar but with different hair styles and slightly different heights due to the shoes they were wearing. He asked them, and sure enough... they're twins. He asked how much for the night. I can't remember the number, but I recall something in the range of 500 bucks. He got the digits, but upon calling the next month, they'd already changed it. Can't say that twins are my personal fantasy or anything - I prefer my threesomes to have a lesbian component - but it is definitely a box which needs ticking.
Yeah, but close enough I would say for me. I am not that insistent that the girls be 100% factual & honest. Just make the story at least plausible so I don't look too big a fool believing it;)
As I drill heavily some of my sponsored/pros, they just need to akt as... If I am taking the ass to a petite, and at breakfast she says I'm a sex maniac and she can't sit for a while that makes me just more hornier (I know it's not true), just a role game...
But it's delicious and fun...
IT
All the times I'm not in Moscow (or Kiev) a couple of identical twins appears on the market. So angry!
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
IT14k for the night is not bad for the two of them, and with all the boxes ticked, in my local area too!
Cheers
Dear ISG Friends,
I am travelling to Moscow 08-10. 08. 2010 for a meeting. I will be having a very tight schedule and most probably only a few hours for some "action". But I have made it a tradition to have at least one encounter per country I visit.
I will have to rely this time entirely on a Pro since time is very limited.
I went through this Forum and couldn't find "the" place to go. For example in Kiev there "was" RP, in Rio there was "Help" (I visited both by the way), in Thailand you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana or Patpong. So where is the place to go in Moscow? Where I can find some action without getting riped off. I read the Forum and other Travel reports in the "Distinction reports" but couldn't find any place where fun is guaranteed. I also contacted already some P4P through Mamba. But haven't got any replies yet.
Any trusted Escort services that you can recomend?
Thanks,
Easyease
Dear ISG Friends,
I am travelling to Moscow 08-10. 08. 2010 for a meeting. I will be having a very tight schedule and most probably only a few hours for some "action". But I have made it a tradition to have at least one encounter per country I visit.
I will have to rely this time entirely on a Pro since time is very limited.
I went through this Forum and couldn't find "the" place to go. For example in Kiev there "was" RP, in Rio there was "Help" (I visited both by the way), in Thailand you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana or Patpong. So where is the place to go in Moscow? Where I can find some action without getting riped off. I read the Forum and other Travel reports in the "Distinction reports" but couldn't find any place where fun is guaranteed. I also contacted already some P4P through Mamba. But haven't got any replies yet.
Any trusted Escort services that you can recomend?
Thanks,
EasyeaseI have been in Moscow for almost two weeks and the few places that always get mentioned like Nightflight and Hotdogs are absolutely terrible. Old pros you could find in any city. The girls in the strip clubs such as Safari and Penthouse appear to have been Stalinized. No spirit.
Although I am battling hundred degree days, I can really see the potential of this town. Will be investing in some language courses and plan to stay awhile.
If anybody has any tips, would appreciate.
Gentleman Travel
08-03-10, 22:08
Well, the obvious solution for you is Night Flight, which is like River Palace on steriods (or silicone, as the case may be). Yes, it is all pro, or semi-pro, and overpriced, but easy and moderately reliable. I see reports here of girls asking $500, but I would imagine you could get away with $300, for a couple of hours.
Whether you get "action without being ripped off" will depend to a certain extent on your shark-avoidance instincts and somewhat on good luck. I had good luck there. However, that was a few years ago and the previous poster, who is "in theatre" currently may have better information. But your situations are different - he has time to hunt and you do not.
Give Night Flight a try, even if just for the experience of seeing so many silicone-packed blondes in one room at a time.
Enjoy,
GT
Dear ISG Friends,
I am travelling to Moscow 08-10. 08. 2010 for a meeting. I will be having a very tight schedule and most probably only a few hours for some "action". But I have made it a tradition to have at least one encounter per country I visit.
I will have to rely this time entirely on a Pro since time is very limited.
I went through this Forum and couldn't find "the" place to go. For example in Kiev there "was" RP, in Rio there was "Help" (I visited both by the way), in Thailand you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana or Patpong. So where is the place to go in Moscow? Where I can find some action without getting riped off. I read the Forum and other Travel reports in the "Distinction reports" but couldn't find any place where fun is guaranteed. I also contacted already some P4P through Mamba. But haven't got any replies yet.
Any trusted Escort services that you can recomend?
Thanks,
Easyease
Hello, there!
Thought I'd share my experiences for the first two weeks in Moscow. Possibly some useful information for the members planning a trip to this town that have no Russian language skills, friends, and contacts.
Moscow is simply not a mongering town unless you can speak some basic Russian or have a guide. You will always have that creeping feeling at the back of your neck of complete helplessness if you have a real problem. You will be holding your passport tight and wondering what would happen if I lost it. Would be different if there was no visa issue.
The positive side is the people quality is amazing. I have never seen so many beautiful women. If your looking for a girlfriend or long term mongering opportunities, this is the town. Seems to be an imbalance between boy and girl. Lots of odd couples(ugly guy with pretty girl).
I do not know what kind of interest the average Muscovite would have towards a foreigner, but I do sense strongly the neediness of some girls. The key factor which makes all the magic happen.
In summary, do not come here unless you have the time and money. If you do, this place is seducing.
I have been in Moscow for almost two weeks and the few places that always get mentioned like Nightflight and Hotdogs are absolutely terrible. Old pros you could find in any city. The girls in the strip clubs such as Safari and Penthouse appear to have been Stalinized. No spirit.
Although I am battling hundred degree days, I can really see the potential of this town. Will be investing in some language courses and plan to stay awhile.
If anybody has any tips, would appreciate.
Easyease & Climaxnow
Shame to hear the Safari is now sanitized. Used to be a blast with $3.00 lap dances and 5 rooms in the back for full service.
Try ***girls-students.ru for home delivery. My experiences with them have been some of my best in Moscow but it's been a while. I have read reports that were less than perfect. In many cases had the monger handled thing correctly I believe results would have improved.
Suggestions:
Do not think with your dick.......
Book them as early in the days possible before they are tired. Tell the agency exactly what you like in looks and attitude. They may have valuable suggestions.
Tell the agency & escort you have just moved to Moscow and will be there for an extended period. Both will be looking for repeat business.
Wrong girl shows up or does not look like the photos, send her back with no cab fare and call the agency.
Clearly negotiate the expected services when the girl arrives. If you cannot agree in terms send her back with cab fare.
DO NOT PAY ADVANCE ........- DO NOT PAY ADVANCE...........
If she demands payment show her the money and DO NOT PAY IN ADVANCE....... Simply tell her work 1st then payment 2nd.
If she does not perform as per agreement do not pay and call the agency.
If all goes well and you have a great time. Give her cab fare and a tip, and then get her cell number to see her without paying the agency.
Just my .02 rubles. YMMV
Guido88
In summary, do not come here unless you have the time and money. If you do, this place is seducing.
Quite an accurate summary, Climaxnow, and this is coming from someone who has lived in Moscow for 10 years. If wh0ring is your sole goal, then you should not choose Moscow as your destination. There are so many other places with better infrastructure for it.
That said, Doc and I were recently kicking back on Kamergersky for a midnight snack and even our jaded eyes were awed of the talent walking by. No less than 80% of the female population was fuckable and that's by our admittedly high standards. I will put Moscow girls against any others in the world. They have it all: class, style and looks. But you're right, to bag one you need a decent amount of cash and/or looks and/or style, and a healthy dose of confidence. I've had friends who spoke little to no Russian score well here, but they usually had a guide (ie me) around to translate for them and get them around town. Moscow can definitely be intimidating, especially for a first time visitor.
AColonizer
08-06-10, 17:13
Or in other words: read this fucking forum! Men don't read before they waste rivers of money (for a low service)!
Thanks to Guido88, a good suggestion.
Anyway the question remains: maybe it is better to pay much less for a real service not in Moscow instead to pay too much for a low service in Moscow.
Men don't understand: if a deepthroat swallow blowjob in Italy is quoted 20/30 euros, it is not possible to pay more for the same in Moscow, because the economy is globalized and the same service is trending to an average price in all over the world: who has got a huge price difference, she will go out the market soon or later. Meanwhile, she cheats thousands of silly men with no mercy!
When I first logged on to ISG's site, the first thing I noticed was the comparable activity between Moscow and Kiev's forums. I assumed they were equal mongering towns. Here is why they are not.
Moscow's true beauty lies in the diversity of its peoples personalities and not their looks. Many gold diggers but many more women here that want to live with dignity. The members commonly on this forum never reveal that the hotties they bang are only a side treat in there search for a quality girl. They are well aware that with some time and effort they will find a nice girl that will probably be very attractive. Something that may be much more difficult back home. Mongering in Moscow is Russian on Russian.
Are there any photomodeli saloon in Moscow, or do they just located in SPT? I searched the forum but couldn't find any clue for Moscow. Seems web site doesn't exist any more.
Helena Moscow
08-08-10, 22:12
Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.
Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.
That'a a shame, this is not the best to have a good view of Kryastnia Plositch !
Where are located the Tocha's of Moscow. Are they fixed locations? What is the best way to get a Tocha and take her to my hotel room, a Taxi driver?
Best is near Prospekt Mira, more than 30 girls,
Price from 8500 to 15000 are for the night.
Easy to go by taxi.
Several other tochkas, 5 to 15 girls, on the road to Yaroslav just after MKAD.
Where are located the Tocha's of Moscow. Are they fixed locations? What is the best way to get a Tocha and take her to my hotel room, a Taxi driver?
They float. And yes, find a taxi driver, and negotiate the price in advance (say 1000R to get there, try at least 3 tochki and return to your hotel).
Angus Magee
08-09-10, 10:00
Where are located the Tocha's of Moscow. Are they fixed locations? What is the best way to get a Tocha and take her to my hotel room, a Taxi driver?
Hi Creature,
Might I suggest that you have a look at Pizdyets' most excellent piece from a couple months back on his evening (rather late night early morning) Tochka adventure.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1028295&postcount=3858
As the nature of the Tochka is that it is not permanently based anywhere, rather it floats in certain back ally Moscow neighborhoods, the report can not tell you exactly where to go. But it does capture beautifully the essence of the experience, its' uncertainties and, what I call in my blog piece about the report, < http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=51 > the Monger's soul.
AM
Gentleman Travel
08-09-10, 15:03
Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.
Helena, it sounds awful!
Are the forest fires still burning around Moscow?
I guess the air quality if very bad? I heard everyone is wearing masks.
Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed. Helena, Thanks for posting these photos. I feel for you. Hope you get some relief and some fresh air soon.
Helena Moscow
08-09-10, 16:23
Helena, it sounds awful!
Are the forest fires still burning around Moscow?
I guess the air quality if very bad? I heard everyone is wearing masks.
Helena, Thanks for posting these photos. I feel for you. Hope you get some relief and some fresh air soon.Hi, Guys.
These pictures I made yesterday at 9 o'clock in the morning. I left for Red Square at 6, because it was so hot that I thought if I go out later I'll fry. Metro was full of people with suitcases, who rushed in the direction of Komsomolskaya where we have trains. Sunday morning. Noone sleeps. Airports didn't work properly because of bad visibility, but trains still run. At 6 the fog was grey, by 9 became yellow. Some people had masks, but few. I only saw 1 grandmother, but she ran so quickly that I couldn't capture.
Today fog disappeared. They promise by Wednesday cold weather +11C or so. But it's hard to believe. But we hope and don't mind some rain or snow.
Bez Bezarra
08-11-10, 03:12
Death rates in the city doubled this week.
Doctors are afraid to speak.
Shhhh!
Everything is fine.
Solntsa Yada
08-16-10, 17:41
Solntsa Yada and I were in Violette last year and he had a couple of girls dancing for him. He leaned over and said "hey, I think these girls are twins! " Hmm. I thought about it. They did look similar but with different hair styles and slightly different heights due to the shoes they were wearing. He asked them, and sure enough. They're twins. He asked how much for the night. I can't remember the number, but I recall something in the range of 500 bucks. He got the digits, but upon calling the next month, they'd already changed it.Follow up on that, we bumped into them at Hotdogs I grabbed their new numbers and since they remembered me, wrote 15k on the card, I rang the number to confirm, Olga and Lena are still using the number, but not during weekends (my Russian is bad though, maybe they meant only on weekends).
Lena doesn't mind licking her sister, but Olga didn't reciprocate. But when a twin is licking her sister while your 3-4 inches deep in her ass. You don't really care.
Sex Wanderer
08-16-10, 21:00
This is almost laughable. How you could get all this (useless) information, and not have a simple STREET ADDRESS is beyond me. I was transliterating from Cyrillic to Latin characters (with no prior Russian study) on my first trip to Moscow. It looks intimidating at first, but it's not that hard. Really.
I will not post on this topic any more. I've offered you the best advice I could, and that was to hire a private investigator before setting foot in Russia. You are less than useless here, and as many have already pointed out, there's a really good chance of you getting injured or worse should you go about this on your own.Sex wanderer is back after long weeks of investigation into the vietnamese hideout. The address is MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P?, block 7, 5th floor!
Hi Piayets, can you please translate this address to me in english please so that I can pronouce it when I am there in moscow. I want to take this advanture to new heights!
Please
Sex Wanderer
08-16-10, 21:04
Anyone know this place? MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P? Block 7 5th floor
I need to go for the vietnamese rescue part 2!
Sex wanderer is back after long weeks of investigation into the vietnamese hideout. The address is MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P?, block 7, 5th floor!
Hi Piayets, can you please translate this address to me in english please so that I can pronouce it when I am there in moscow. I want to take this advanture to new heights!
Please
MOCKBA = Moskva = Moscow
AYEEP? Assuming that's Cyrllic, then the Latinized version would be AUEER, which means absolutely nothing to me.
Again, your information is worthless, and I can't help but think that you're toying with all of us.
Follow up on that, we bumped into them at Hotdogs I grabbed their new numbers and since they remembered me, wrote 15k on the card, I rang the number to confirm, Olga and Lena are still using the number, but not during weekends (my Russian is bad though, maybe they meant only on weekends).
Lena doesn't mind licking her sister, but Olga didn't reciprocate. But when a twin is licking her sister while your 3-4 inches deep in her ass. You don't really care.
Damn you all to hell, SY! Don't you know that Soylent Green is people, you dirty ape?
More importantly, why wasn't I invited to that party?!?
Sex wanderer is back after long weeks of investigation into the vietnamese hideout. The address is MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P?, block 7, 5th floor!
Hi Piayets, can you please translate this address to me in english please so that I can pronouce it when I am there in moscow. I want to take this advanture to new heights!
PleaseHm, seems that the address in Russian is not correctly displayed here on forum for whatever reason (this happens to me when I try to write something in Russian here). Maybe you can google-map it? I'm one of those who'd appreciate this info
How did you find the address anyways?
AColonizer
08-18-10, 16:36
More than 30 girls? and how old are they?
Which kind of appeareance have they?
Best is near Prospekt Mira, more than 30 girls,
Price from 8500 to 15000 are for the night.
Easy to go by taxi.
Several other tochkas, 5 to 15 girls, on the road to Yaroslav just after MKAD.
Gentleman Travel
08-19-10, 16:28
From the Economist:
"Yet it is Russia’s self-destructive streak that has turned testing weather into a tragedy. In the past two months over 2,000 people have drowned trying to escape the heat by dunking themselves in lakes and rivers. (For comparison, 13,000 Soviet soldiers died during the ten-year Afghan campaign.) Fully 90% of them were drunken men, say officials."
... so 1800 Russian males have won the Darwin award and removed themselves from the gene pool and from competition for the delightful dyevs who were not drunken and did not drown. And think of the number of drunken men who must have gone into the river yet were not quite so unlucky as to drown!
Whenever we wonder why there are so many gorgeous, sexy, smart Russian women available and interested in Westerners like us, we just have to remember the drunks, losers and gopniks that they have to choose from at home.
Cheers,
GT
Whenever we wonder why there are so many gorgeous, sexy, smart Russian women available and interested in Westerners like us, we just have to remember the drunks, losers and gopniks that they have to choose from at home.+1. The "eligible male" to female ratio in this part of the world is IMO something like 1:5.
More than 30 girls? and how old are they?
Which kind of appeareance have they?Seems to me that they are in their early 20's
All dressed up like a devuchka (+ they all want to be chosen as early as possible)
The top end (15000) tall and thin, low end (8500) more average.
Although I did only see them at night (in the beams of the car), the quality seems very good.
The taxi driver said there are good tochkas 30-45 minutes drive off MKAD, I did not go, but I am interested in any information.
As many of you faithful ISG readers know, I have been a somewhat steady supporter of one of the two hooker bars in Moscow, namely Hot Dog (aka Boar House aka Chesterfields).
Well, those days are over.
I've been withholding judgment for the past few visits, but it's become evident that the current management is complete shit. And not just any shit, but the runny slimy stuff that comes after you've had too much to drink and not nearly enough fibre. The girls inside are all washed-up 30-something hags with no new blood whatsoever. In chatting with the girls it seems that the current "door tax" is now 100 US dollars, which means that price is being passed directly to you and me. Therefore, the quality of girls there is just ridiculously low compared to what you could get on the internet or even, hell, NightFlight! For the same price, you could hit a tochka or even a high-priced brothel (eg charmel.biz or fantasys.nu) and get a much better return on your investment.
Fuck these guys. I will never be back for as long as I should live in Moscow.
Stravinsky
08-24-10, 04:20
P.
What exactly was the straw that finally broke the camel's back?
What exactly was the straw that finally broke the camel's back?
It wasn't anything in particular. But I was there last night and simply disgusted by it. And that takes a lot.
Gentleman Travel
08-24-10, 15:38
And so it ends, not with a whimper but a bang.
He did not say it ended with a bang. Sounds more like a wimper...
Stravinsky
08-24-10, 16:35
If Pizdyets has decided never to set foot in Hot Dog's again, then I think there must have been a bang... somewhere.
Fuck these guys. I will never be back for as long as I should live in Moscow.
Damn Piz, that could be a loooong time!!!!!
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