Moscow

[CA Traveler]

BO... Actually I was just going to write to tell you that after consideration, I have been held hostage several times... usually by two girls, in all cases both were pack'n and I noticed they both had a couple of bullets displayed for most of the night! On top of it all, they did demand money the next day. I guess at the time, I didn't realize that they were connected, even though I did every thing I could throughout the night to stay connected with them, they kept submitting me to all kinds of torture throughout the night. I remember screaming a few times, but I've lost most of my memories of exactly what they were doing could have involved my genitals, but I don't think there were any electric cords attached! I guess I'm going to have to be more aware of my situation! :)

Actually it is usually easier to get around Moscow than NYC in many cases. Cheaper and even if you don't speak English it is probably no worse than trying to communicate with some of the cabbies in NYC. I suggest having your destination and return written in Russian. On top of that, I usually try to find the closest metro statiion and ask for that, then I walk to my final destination.

Enjoy your trip...

[Helena Moscow]

Hi Guys,

I am chatting to many girls on line in Moscow and have many web sites for pro action, my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I would probably (for safety reasons) stay in a hotel as opposed to an apartment.

The horror stories I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed.

What can you guys on the ground, tell me about this situation and how dangerous is it for a sole tourist to travel there for a few weeks?

Thanks in advance for your help and any contributions on the subject as this is the only area of my trip I need to fully understand before I book it.


Dear Blastoff,
all these terrible stopies were true 10-15 years ago. Now mafia guys grew up and more interested in oil, gas and banking instead of poor tourists and working girls. So, relax and have fun! Nobody will touch you if you not ask. And most of girls here (I just don't know about tochkas) are not involved in crime.

[GandJim]

... you should DEFINITELY book off of the www.moscow-star.com site and not the www.enjoymoscow.com site.
Well, I did tried to book from the moscow-star site last year, after Rick has taken it over from CA_T. Apart from an automatic email saying that they received my booking and will come back to me within 48hrs, I never heard from them again. I sent them reminders after reminders, and lost 10 days. Had to find another site which can rent me an apartment and send me an invitation letter in a hurry.

Needless to say, I fully agree with Cicciolino and certainly won't use Rick's services in the future. Even if his apartments are all booked already and he doesn't need my business, he could have the courtesy to reply to my emails and not leave me sitting there waiting and wasting my time.

[Stravinsky]

GJ,

I had the same problem with writing to Rick at Moscow-Star. It wasn't until I started writing to him at enjoymosow.com that I finally received a reply.

It seems as if Rick doesn't read the emails at Moscow-Star, just at enjoymoscow.

I think what Doc means is that you should select and book your apartment from those listed on Moscow-Star. They are better located and in better condition than those listed on enjoymoscow.com.

But, in order to book those Moscow-Star apartments, you have to write to Rick at enjoymoscow.com.

I think Rick has been in Russia too long, he thinks just like a Russian! LOL

[Doctor_Skank]

Strav:

Yes, it seems that Rick has been Russified... he always replied to my mails within 24 hours as I WAS a regular customer, so maybe he prioritized. Not really sound business practice from a service-oriented US point of view, but for Russians completely normal.

Ca_T:

As for Sveta, she practices Russian "beezness" as well. I actually had an apartment booked from her and she cancelled at the last second claiming a technical problem. I booked through someone else and then on that trip met another monger who was staying in that same apartment I had originally booked from Sveta... so I had been dumped for him since he was staying longer than I. So Russia is Russia. Its exactly the same in Kiev, where bait and switch is not only a regular practice with internet girls, but with apts as well.

[Blastoff]

Thanks for your advices on the Mafia situation in Moscow. I feel more confident with my trip now.

Can you guys explain more to me about the "Tochcas" please. I saw a photo of about 20 girls in a semi circle with a car head lights shining on them on this site but don't fully understand how it works and how I can meet up with the organises of these "Tochcas" so I can meet these girls.

[Doctor_Skank]

Tochka:

Tochka means "point" and is essentially Moscow's form of street prostitution. The tochkas (actually tochki) are organised by the mafia (there's your mafia if you are really looking for it) and are conducted nightly from about dusk til dawn. There can be numerous tochkas all over the city, anywhere from the outskirts to the center.

For example, you will usually find tochkas on Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. They aren't confined to a single place and can often be in the same place for a few days or weeks, or move nightly. There is no way you can just "go to a tochka" that is at a particular place. You will have to take a taxi.

Finding tochkas:

Take a taxi as stated above. The best time to look is after about 9pm, that's when most girls show up for duty. When you flag down a taxi, ask him to take you to a tochka. Either he will say ok and try and drive you around until he finds one, or he will refuse and drive away. Some people dont want to take you there because of the danger of the police stopping them. The police often hang around known tochka areas hoping to stop your car and get a bribe. Before you go on a tochka tour, make sure your docs are in order, including your visa registration. Some drivers, particularly older ones, may be offended by your request or simply not know what you mean or where to go. If you cant find a taxi, you may pick up a taxi in front of CF (Boarhouse), which is across from Kursky train station. The drivers there will charge you more, but they will also know where to go.

The driver will drive on the road to those areas where he thinks he might find a tochka, usually the areas I mentioned above, Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. There he will see a woman standing along side the road seeking eye contact with drivers. She is the "beacon girl". He will stop in front of her and she will tell him which way to drive to find the tochka. Usually it is in a back alley or side street near her. Then the driver will drive to the area and you will see a mamachka (madam who organises the girls) and probably some other customers. Often there will be a few vans parked nearby in which the girls wait for customers. In the summer the girls may be milling about outside.

Viewing the menu:

Once there, you will have to talk to the mamachka. It definitely helps to speak at least basic Russian, don't expect her to speak English. She will tell you the prices at that particular tochka and ask you which girls you want to see. The prices may be in rubles or dollars.

Lately the prices are as follows:
$100 (3000 rubles): entry level girls, usually pretty skanky, 4-6 in quality
$150 (4500 rubles): mid-level girls, 6-7 in quality, occasional gems
$200 (6000 rubles): so-called top girls, 6-8 in quality

Sometimes there are $80 (2500 rubles) categories (really skanky) or even $250 (7500 rubles) categories.

Price for a particular girl may vary depending on time of day and particularly day of the week. For example a $100 girl may go for $150 on a Saturday night or a $200 girl for $150 on a Monday night etc. Generally Monday-Wednesday are my favorite nights in terms of price and selection, since there is less competition.

After you tell the mamachka which category you want, she will yell out loud "$100" or "4500 rubles" or whatever and the girls will line up in front of the car.

The size of the tochka also varies, from 1 girl to 50. On average there are about 10 girls in each category.

After making your selection, you pay the mamachka, wait for your girl to arrive and leave.

You should select wisely and pay attention to details. Of course it is at night, but try to get a look at her body (she will open her coat if you tell her to do so), look at her teeth or whatever. If nothing is available, you may go to another tochka.

Driving to the apartment or hotel:

This is the "fun part", as the police do prowl the streets looking to stop cars with tochka girls and their customers. Some tochkas are in cahoots with the police and may set you up. If you are stopped, remain calm. You are in no physical danger. It is all about a bribe. They will examine your docs and if all is ok leave you alone. They will probably find a problem with her docs, as she is probably not from Moscow and may not even be Russian, instead being from Ukraine, Moldava or Belarus. If they take her back to the squad car or say she must go to station you can either let her go (and lose your money) or bribe the cops. It should cost between ($20-50) 500-1500 rubles "straff".

If you make it back to the hotel or apartment ok (90% of the time you will not be stopped) you are home free.

Paying the taxi:
The taxi should get between 500-700 rubles for his services, depending on the length of your tour and how many tochkas were visited.

The deal:
The girl is yours until about 8am the next day, as much sex as you want or can handle. Normally they will kiss and give great GFE. Anal is an option, but up to her. Money talks.

The damage:
At this point you may be asking yourself "why tochka??" as it can be an expensive endeavour:

Assuming you choose a mid-level girl:

$150: the girl
$25: the taxi
$25: possible militia bribe
$10: tip for girl

You are already at $210 dollars, which will also buy you sex elsewhere.

So "Why tochka"?

First of all, its an adventure you'll never forget. Anyone who has done it admits that the whole process can be fun... driving around the city, dirty back alleys, the element of danger, the mafia, the cops, the "skankiness".

Second of all, you get the girl all-night. She is in many ways at your mercy. Generally speaking, they do everything and if you are both nice and "demanding", you will get all you want.

Third, the girls. They are often pretty common girls, very basic, but fun and suprisingly sweet. Some of my all time favorites are from the tochka.

"Why not tochka"

Tochka girls are almost the lowest on the pro sex food chain, besides the "vodka *****s" down by the Kievsky Voksal. Some are forced into the trade, many don't really enjoy their work, the can be desperate. You should always take care of all health issues and be careful. These girls never get to chose whom they fuck. Sometimes they get beaten or sold out to groups of men. It is the gateway to a darker side of the sex trade in Russia and one you may or may not want to enter. I personally never got past the gate and dont want to. I've almost always enjoyed my tochka girls, but do realize that even as nice as I might have been to them, their lives are hardly full of sunshine and happiness. Many save the meagre earnings from their work and send it home to mama or papa.. or to their boyfriends. They earn about 35% of what you paid the mamachka. Some of them are forced to stay in Moscow to "earn off" the price it took to get them there from Moldava or Belarus. Many are treated as "goods". They usually live together with other girls in Moscow's suburbs. There are of course many independent "regular" girls working tochka as well, but you never know what you are going to get and never know what the girl's past, future or fate holds.

That's the tochka story, a Moscow institution.

[GandJim]

Strav & Doc,

Even the Russians replied to my emails, and the agency I contacted after Rick's problem sorted out my visa invitation within 24hrs, then gave me the apartment I booked (which is a surprise because, as Strav said, I never got the one I booked in Ukraine). But we can close the debate here....

Blastoff,

Just do a search for "Tochka", there are tons of posts on that already (in particular by CA_T when he originally posted the picture you refer to ;)). You'll need a car and to speak Russian in the first place and, reading your previous posts and your concern about safety and mafia, I don't think you should go to a tochka. There are plenty of other opportunities in Moscow.

Jim

Edited: Didn't see that Doc has posted a very detailed explanation while I was typing :D. I'll just add one thing: You should be able to speak Russian....

[CA Traveler]

doc... very nice detailed report. I'd add, 2100 is probably just a little early and most girls don't show up until 2200 or so. However, the nice thing about going early in the summer is that you have more light. That said, I ALWAYS carry a flashlight, little one or one of the LED ones on my key chain... unless I forget! :) Besides, it will probably come in handy at one point or another in your apartment hallway when the single bare light bulb is burned out... Is Russia a great country or what???

Also, some of my best experiences in Moscow have been with tochka girls, but you really never know what she'll be like, but again isn't that true with anyone you take home???

Tochka girls are probably the "lowest on the food chain"... Probably true of our scale, BUT the real "low end" hangs around the train stations offering a BJ... no doubt BBBJ2C... for 100 rubles. Personally, I'll pass on that treat!

I disagree with GJ a little though in that I don't think your exploration of the hobby in Moscow is complete without a visit to a tochka... just to see it if nothing else! I suspect that if you hang around CF a little you'll find someone to go with you, hopefully someone who speaks just a little English. There's really no reason to go far and just around the Garden Ring should be enough unless there is a G8 meeting or something that forces them closed.

One more tip... if you or your wingman don't speak Russki, use your cell phone to type out the dollar/ruble amount that you want to see. By all means look at all of them... one person's trash is another persons treasure.

Secondly, don't be afraid to get out of the car... they won't bite and every RU car I've ever been in has dirty, pitted windshields and dim headlights. Get up close to the girl, smile at her and see if she smiles back. They will get more friendly after you pick them but it's nice to see if a little chemistry builds before you pay your money.

[Starchild2012]

Excellant report......i think no one needs to know till six months down the line ...what tochka is all about...

[Muratlale4]

Hi,
Congrats and thanks for the great report. It explained basically everything one might want to know about the Tochka System.
And you are right I believe it is an experience one will not forget easily (Ill try as soon as I learn russian and go to Moscow) ;).
It puts adventure back into mongering!!!
regards

[Lindenwirt]

Gents,

After 3 years in Bucharest (really ejoyed the action there), I moved to Moscow.
This weekend it will be my first time going out in the city and I would be grateful for any recommendation.

Basically I am for the beginning interested in some decent bars and pubs - eventually with decent semi-pro's if this scene is existing here in Moscow. For the later hours of the evening everything should be possible :) - however I don't speak Russian nor have the chance to take her to my place.

Thank you for your recommendations via PM,

DerWirt

[Etaoin2003]

In the spirit of Doc's superb, encyclopedic post on tochkas ... anybody want to tackle the Internet girls? For instance:

Апартаменты: Any chance a non-Russian speaker can succeed in this? Perhaps with the help of a cab driver? Are there apartments inside the boulevard ring, or in the Arbat area?

Выезд: Do you have to speak Russian to "order" an incall visitor to a western-style hotel? What about communicating via email? Any chance the girl will resemble the (really great) images on intimcity and dosug.nu?

I have not had language problems in other countries ... intentions are pretty easy to figure out! But Russia seems to offer special challenges.

[Blastoff]

Dr_Shank, your knowledge on this subject and Moscow in general has been invaluable not only to me but many others. I thank you for that. This is what this board is all about. Other experienced mongers need to take a leaf from your book in my opinion.

Prices:

It seems disproportionate that a Tochka girl will cost USD$100, $150 or $200 for the night when you consider that a university graduate earns USD$70 per month working in an office. I have always related the cost of sex in countries to the weekly or monthly salary but it appears that in Russia this formula does not work. What is your opinion on the reasoning behind the hight price for sex in Russia? Is it a supply and demand situation and so many men what sex that the prices are sky high or is it that there are fewer women in Russia than me? Just a curious question. Thanks.




Tochka:

Tochka means "point" and is essentially Moscow's form of street prostitution. The tochkas (actually tochki) are organised by the mafia (there's your mafia if you are really looking for it) and are conducted nightly from about dusk til dawn. There can be numerous tochkas all over the city, anywhere from the outskirts to the center.

For example, you will usually find tochkas on Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. They aren't confined to a single place and can often be in the same place for a few days or weeks, or move nightly. There is no way you can just "go to a tochka" that is at a particular place. You will have to take a taxi.

Finding tochkas:

Take a taxi as stated above. The best time to look is after about 9pm, that's when most girls show up for duty. When you flag down a taxi, ask him to take you to a tochka. Either he will say ok and try and drive you around until he finds one, or he will refuse and drive away. Some people dont want to take you there because of the danger of the police stopping them. The police often hang around known tochka areas hoping to stop your car and get a bribe. Before you go on a tochka tour, make sure your docs are in order, including your visa registration. Some drivers, particularly older ones, may be offended by your request or simply not know what you mean or where to go. If you cant find a taxi, you may pick up a taxi in front of CF (Boarhouse), which is across from Kursky train station. The drivers there will charge you more, but they will also know where to go.

The driver will drive on the road to those areas where he thinks he might find a tochka, usually the areas I mentioned above, Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. There he will see a woman standing along side the road seeking eye contact with drivers. She is the "beacon girl". He will stop in front of her and she will tell him which way to drive to find the tochka. Usually it is in a back alley or side street near her. Then the driver will drive to the area and you will see a mamachka (madam who organises the girls) and probably some other customers. Often there will be a few vans parked nearby in which the girls wait for customers. In the summer the girls may be milling about outside.

Viewing the menu:

Once there, you will have to talk to the mamachka. It definitely helps to speak at least basic Russian, don't expect her to speak English. She will tell you the prices at that particular tochka and ask you which girls you want to see. The prices may be in rubles or dollars.

Lately the prices are as follows:
$100 (3000 rubles): entry level girls, usually pretty skanky, 4-6 in quality
$150 (4500 rubles): mid-level girls, 6-7 in quality, occasional gems
$200 (6000 rubles): so-called top girls, 6-8 in quality

Sometimes there are $80 (2500 rubles) categories (really skanky) or even $250 (7500 rubles) categories.

Price for a particular girl may vary depending on time of day and particularly day of the week. For example a $100 girl may go for $150 on a Saturday night or a $200 girl for $150 on a Monday night etc. Generally Monday-Wednesday are my favorite nights in terms of price and selection, since there is less competition.

After you tell the mamachka which category you want, she will yell out loud "$100" or "4500 rubles" or whatever and the girls will line up in front of the car.

The size of the tochka also varies, from 1 girl to 50. On average there are about 10 girls in each category.

After making your selection, you pay the mamachka, wait for your girl to arrive and leave.

You should select wisely and pay attention to details. Of course it is at night, but try to get a look at her body (she will open her coat if you tell her to do so), look at her teeth or whatever. If nothing is available, you may go to another tochka.

Driving to the apartment or hotel:

This is the "fun part", as the police do prowl the streets looking to stop cars with tochka girls and their customers. Some tochkas are in cahoots with the police and may set you up. If you are stopped, remain calm. You are in no physical danger. It is all about a bribe. They will examine your docs and if all is ok leave you alone. They will probably find a problem with her docs, as she is probably not from Moscow and may not even be Russian, instead being from Ukraine, Moldava or Belarus. If they take her back to the squad car or say she must go to station you can either let her go (and lose your money) or bribe the cops. It should cost between ($20-50) 500-1500 rubles "straff".

If you make it back to the hotel or apartment ok (90% of the time you will not be stopped) you are home free.

Paying the taxi:
The taxi should get between 500-700 rubles for his services, depending on the length of your tour and how many tochkas were visited.

The deal:
The girl is yours until about 8am the next day, as much sex as you want or can handle. Normally they will kiss and give great GFE. Anal is an option, but up to her. Money talks.

The damage:
At this point you may be asking yourself "why tochka??" as it can be an expensive endeavour:

Assuming you choose a mid-level girl:

$150: the girl
$25: the taxi
$25: possible militia bribe
$10: tip for girl

You are already at $210 dollars, which will also buy you sex elsewhere.

So "Why tochka"?

First of all, its an adventure you'll never forget. Anyone who has done it admits that the whole process can be fun... driving around the city, dirty back alleys, the element of danger, the mafia, the cops, the "skankiness".

Second of all, you get the girl all-night. She is in many ways at your mercy. Generally speaking, they do everything and if you are both nice and "demanding", you will get all you want.

Third, the girls. They are often pretty common girls, very basic, but fun and suprisingly sweet. Some of my all time favorites are from the tochka.

"Why not tochka"

Tochka girls are almost the lowest on the pro sex food chain, besides the "vodka *****s" down by the Kievsky Voksal. Some are forced into the trade, many don't really enjoy their work, the can be desperate. You should always take care of all health issues and be careful. These girls never get to chose whom they fuck. Sometimes they get beaten or sold out to groups of men. It is the gateway to a darker side of the sex trade in Russia and one you may or may not want to enter. I personally never got past the gate and dont want to. I've almost always enjoyed my tochka girls, but do realize that even as nice as I might have been to them, their lives are hardly full of sunshine and happiness. Many save the meagre earnings from their work and send it home to mama or papa.. or to their boyfriends. They earn about 35% of what you paid the mamachka. Some of them are forced to stay in Moscow to "earn off" the price it took to get them there from Moldava or Belarus. Many are treated as "goods". They usually live together with other girls in Moscow's suburbs. There are of course many independent "regular" girls working tochka as well, but you never know what you are going to get and never know what the girl's past, future or fate holds.

That's the tochka story, a Moscow institution.

[Helena Moscow]

Dr_Shank, your knowledge on this subject and Moscow in general has been invaluable not only to me but many others. I thank you for that. This is what this board is all about. Other experienced mongers need to take a leaf from your book in my opinion.

Prices:

It seems disproportionate that a Tochka girl will cost USD$100, $150 or $200 for the night when you consider that a university graduate earns USD$70 per month working in an office. I have always related the cost of sex in countries to the weekly or monthly salary but it appears that in Russia this formula does not work. What is your opinion on the reasoning behind the hight price for sex in Russia? Is it a supply and demand situation and so many men what sex that the prices are sky high or is it that there are fewer women in Russia than me? Just a curious question. Thanks.



70USD a month for a universuty graduate - outdated information. Now minimum is 300-500USD, depends on work. Some young people make this money without any education at all, for ex. as consultants in clothes or electronic shops. Web-desighners make 200-250USD for creating a web-site, which you can do after a 10-day course which will cost you 100USD only (oh, I must go for such a course =)) my site is terrible, don't go there), the same is a daily rate for a photographer, but he needs a cam, which is a bit more expensive, and the course is also longer.

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff:

First of all its Doc Skank and not Doc Shank... :) And everything I learned about tochka I learned from Ca_T, ISG's tochka pioneer.

In Russia, and particularly Moscow, you cant relate average incomes to cost of sex. It is supply and demand, and demand is high. Moreover, average wages in Moscow are fairly high and the number of really rich Russians and foreigners is staggering.

In some ways the tochka prices are disproportionate however, at least in comparison to other options. Internet and salon girls seem to be best value for the money and average a bit lower than tochka girls. They however wont stay the night for $150, but only for about 2 hours. Girls from CF (Boarhouse) will average about the same price and are usually more polished than tochka girls, but also often more professional in a negative sense. They also dont always stay the night for $150. As I stated, the charm of tochka girls really isnt the price but rather the fact that they are true "over-nighters" and often very appreciative when they get a decent customer. They usually have more "girl next door" charm than "sex bomb" charm if you know what I mean. Some of them are downright fuck machines too, I've had more than one that refused to give up after 2 or 3 rounds and insisted on banging all night. I've also had one or two who were lousy, but that's the way it goes. Generally though, I've enjoyed them. Another interesting aspect that turns me on is the "shadiness" of it... it seems a bit forbidden, a bit dangerous, and this appeals to me. Internet and salon girls seem a bit too "fast food" for me, even though technically there is probably little difference.

BTW, a university graduate doesnt earn $70 a month in Moscow. I'll give you an example. My ex-gf works in an office for a western finance company. She nets about $2000 a month, is 26, lives in an apartment her parents bought, rides the metro and at the end of the month after all normal expenses has about $1500 spending money, plus that which her parents give her. This is a highly intelligent, hard-working and cute girl... but there are plenty of those in Moscow.. so actually pretty average for that vibrant city. And that is about the same or maybe even more than a similar uni grad in Sweden would earn net. Russians pay a 18% flat rate tax (if I remember correctly). Don't feel too sorry for Moscow girls, they aren't living in squalor.

Sure you will find uneducated or minimally educated girls in Moscow earning $200-500 working in shops or as waitresses, but this is already twice as much as they would earn in rural Russia or Ukraine.

When I first went to Russia a few years ago the tochka prices were $50/70/100, CF was $70/100 and NF was $100-200... so you see how the sex market has developed in the last 5-7 years.

This doesnt have to be judged negatively though. Moscow is expensive and the girls living there need money. Because they do, you will still find plenty of girls who will fuck for money since this is a fairly lucrative business for many of them. If they didnt need the money, there probably wouldnt be so much available on the market.

[Helena Moscow]

In the spirit of Doc's superb, encyclopedic post on tochkas ... anybody want to tackle the Internet girls? For instance:

Апартаменты: Any chance a non-Russian speaker can succeed in this? Perhaps with the help of a cab driver? Are there apartments inside the boulevard ring, or in the Arbat area?

Выезд: Do you have to speak Russian to "order" an incall visitor to a western-style hotel? What about communicating via email? Any chance the girl will resemble the (really great) images on intimcity and dosug.nu?

I have not had language problems in other countries ... intentions are pretty easy to figure out! But Russia seems to offer special challenges.


You don't have to speak Russian to invite a girl in a hotel, it's quite enough if you call an english-speaking girl. There are all chances that she will be the same as on the picture, why not? Dosug.nu is mostly oriented on Russian clients, so girls don't have to speak Englisg to work with them, that's why you probably had difficulty with them. If you need to find the address with a cab, just ask sonebody to write it on a piece of paper. And if you go in a girl's apartment, let her tell her address to the cab's driver on mobile phone. All is easy =)))

[Blastoff]

70USD a month for a universuty graduate - outdated information. Now minimum is 300-500USD, depends on work. Some young people make this money without any education at all, for ex. as consultants in clothes or electronic shops. Web-desighners make 200-250USD for creating a web-site, which you can do after a 10-day course which will cost you 100USD only (oh, I must go for such a course =)) my site is terrible, don't go there), the same is a daily rate for a photographer, but he needs a cam, which is a bit more expensive, and the course is also longer.

Thanks for that. I have been chatting with some Russian girls who live in towns 800 klm from Moscow and the $70 a month salary is what they say they earn with a degree but there are two possibilities. One they are lying because they want me to feel sorry for them and send money (which won’t happen) and the other is the fact they live in small provincial towns may be a factor for their low salary.

Non the less, even at $300 to $500 a month in salary in Moscow, can any one tell me how $100 per hour is justified for sex? I would imagine based on the salary that $100 would get me a girl for at least a few days LOL.

[Lover]

The answer to your question inside of your text.

Those girls living 800km from Moscow and on average people in Moscow get paid times more than lets say people in Cheboksary or Saratov.

Be paid $200 in Penza and in Moscow very different.

I hope it will explain your question.

Lover

[Helena Moscow]

Thanks for that. I have been chatting with some Russian girls who live in towns 800 klm from Moscow and the $70 a month salary is what they say they earn with a degree but there are two possibilities. One they are lying because they want me to feel sorry for them and send money (which won’t happen) and the other is the fact they live in small provincial towns may be a factor for their low salary.

Non the less, even at $300 to $500 a month in salary in Moscow, can any one tell me how $100 per hour is justified for sex? I would imagine based on the salary that $100 would get me a girl for at least a few days LOL.

I thought you meant Moscow, because this part of forum is about Moscow, and I also spoke only about Moscow. Suppose about 800 kilometers away people can have smaller salaries, or may be you are right, and girls try to make you feel sorry, there is such a trick, too =))). For Moscow 100$ for an hour is absolutely unjust. It has to be more to cover normal daily and business expences. Everybody needs not only eat, but also to dress, travel, enjoy life... you too, be the way =))). Few days with 100$ you can't afford even food and transport in Moscow, nothing to say about rent. The young people who work for 300-500$ a month go on to live with their parents. Working girls can't afford such a luxury, what shall we explain to our mommy and daddy about clients coming home? I'm afraid they will not believe in such an amazing amount of future husbands =))).

[Doctor_Skank]

Helena is right, Moscow salaries are not to be compared with rural salaries.

Even at that though, $70/month is too low. Starting salaries in provincial areas are about $200 for basic work. The worst off are actually those working in academic fields, such as teachers and doctors, they do start at about $100-150. They possess skills that the nation needs, but which capitalism doesnt value. Unfortunately, oil-rich Russia cares less about its own country's good than owning the newest 7 series BMW or Porsche Cayenne. I find it entertaining to see the newest Mercedes M-Klasse Jeep as a police car in Moscow... for a district police chief of course.

Rural girl's are desperate for cash, this is true. But really, $70 will get you nowhere in Moscow and doesnt get you far in rural Russia either... at least if you want to live like a modern girl... and believe me, Russian girls are obsessed with looking good and enjoying life and that costs $$$. This also explains why Moscow and larger cities continue to grow and Siberia and rural Russia is bled out.

As for Moscow prices, its a mixed bag. You can still get laid, even an overnighter, for $100 if you are lucky. But it is the exception and not the rule. "Entry level overnighter" for a girl in the 6-8 category costs $150-250. Quite frankly, I think $100 is a fair price for 2 hours of mid-level sex in Moscow, provided the service is good. You can get laid for $70/hour as well, provided 1 hour is enough. It really isnt for me... I need at least 2-3 hours otherwise I feel I've just wasted my money.

[Blastoff]

I thought you meant Moscow, because this part of forum is about Moscow, and I also spoke only about Moscow. Suppose about 800 kilometers away people can have smaller salaries, or may be you are right, and girls try to make you feel sorry, there is such a trick, too =))). For Moscow 100$ for an hour is absolutely unjust. It has to be more to cover normal daily and business expences. Everybody needs not only eat, but also to dress, travel, enjoy life... you too, be the way =))). Few days with 100$ you can't afford even food and transport in Moscow, nothing to say about rent. The young people who work for 300-500$ a month go on to live with their parents. Working girls can't afford such a luxury, what shall we explain to our mommy and daddy about clients coming home? I'm afraid they will not believe in such an amazing amount of future husbands =))).


You are right in my opinion. This is a Moscow forum and I was merely explaining some information I received from girls on chat sites in Russia. I now fully understand that Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live and why costs of everything are so high. My belief though is this it is better to accept a lower amount of money for sex on a slow night than to go home empty handed but that does not appear to be the case in the pro scene here. I am sure that private semi pros would negotiate more and GFE's that I am setting up and chatting t on the net would be great!

My idea is to experience ALL that Russia has to offer and not be limited to one scene or an other. I plan to stay around one month so I should have time to do all. I want to set up meetings with say 10 internet GFE regular girls from other parts of Russia and I will organise their transport to my hotel to spend some days with me and get to know them. I will then send one home and have an other arrive. Of course if the GFE treats me well I will take good care of her for the time she is with me. What do you guys think of this idea?

[Blastoff]

Helena is right, Moscow salaries are not to be compared with rural salaries.

Even at that though, $70/month is too low. Starting salaries in provincial areas are about $200 for basic work. The worst off are actually those working in academic fields, such as teachers and doctors, they do start at about $100-150. They possess skills that the nation needs, but which capitalism doesnt value. Unfortunately, oil-rich Russia cares less about its own country's good than owning the newest 7 series BMW or Porsche Cayenne. I find it entertaining to see the newest Mercedes M-Klasse Jeep as a police car in Moscow... for a district police chief of course.

Rural girl's are desperate for cash, this is true. But really, $70 will get you nowhere in Moscow and doesnt get you far in rural Russia either... at least if you want to live like a modern girl... and believe me, Russian girls are obsessed with looking good and enjoying life and that costs $$$. This also explains why Moscow and larger cities continue to grow and Siberia and rural Russia is bled out.

As for Moscow prices, its a mixed bag. You can still get laid, even an overnighter, for $100 if you are lucky. But it is the exception and not the rule. "Entry level overnighter" for a girl in the 6-8 category costs $150-250. Quite frankly, I think $100 is a fair price for 2 hours of mid-level sex in Moscow, provided the service is good. You can get laid for $70/hour as well, provided 1 hour is enough. It really isnt for me... I need at least 2-3 hours otherwise I feel I've just wasted my money.

Apologies for the miss spelling of your name in my earlier post.

I can understand your views and agree with them for my own way of doing things also. I hate a rush job from any girls so 2 to 3 hours minimum is good for me to.

I now have my head around how things are currently working in Moscow and the going rates. I am satisfied with that.

I am getting a lot of feed back from the Russian girls I am chatting to warning me that there are many gangs like Nazis beating up on foreigners and there is a general distaste for foreigner men in Moscow.

I am getting this same information form ALL of the 10 girls I am chatting with in Russia.

Can any one explain further if they have any knowledge about this.

Thanks again.

[CA Traveler]

bo... everyone is doing a great job of comparing Moscow wages with the rest of Russia. However, also keep in mind that yes tochka prices have gone up dramatically, but remember that the tochka girls only get a small portion of that. Best estimate I've heard is 35% but could be as low as $35 or less depending on how much they owe to the "handler".

Also, gangs... if you stick to the center of the city you will have more problems with the militia than with gangs. Everything changes outside the city center. ALSO, everything I've said is referring to Moscow and NOT Spb where both the gangs and the police are dangerous.

[Blastoff]

bo... everyone is doing a great job of comparing Moscow wages with the rest of Russia. However, also keep in mind that yes tochka prices have gone up dramatically, but remember that the tochka girls only get a small portion of that. Best estimate I've heard is 35% but could be as low as $35 or less depending on how much they owe to the "handler".

Also, gangs... if you stick to the center of the city you will have more problems with the militia than with gangs. Everything changes outside the city center. ALSO, everything I've said is referring to Moscow and NOT Spb where both the gangs and the police are dangerous.


Thanks for your advice and insight. Earlier in this forum, I have received advice that it is resonably safe in Moscow for a white tourist. I am a little confused what to believe now.

I have heard the work "miltia" used her many times. Does that refer to the army, police or gangs in Moscow?

[Doctor_Skank]

Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.

Gangs and crime:
The only people who really have problems with skinhead gangs are "black people" and when Russians refer to "black people" they mean anyone with dark skin... Africans, Arabs, Indians and in particular people from the Caucasus, like Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians, Azerbaijanis and even Georgians and Armenians. People from some central Asian former Soviet republics like Tadjikistan or Uzbekistan are also sometimes targeted as are darker skinned people from other areas like Turkey, Romania or wherever. That said, the vast majority of problems faced are outside of Moscow in places like Voronezh, where several high profile murders have taken place at the hands of skinhead gangs.

Within Moscow, at least within the vast center, you will not encounter skinhead gangs or violence. Black people may encounter other forms of racism, like verbal attacks, not being able to get into clubs, hassles from the police etc... basically the same type of racism that can occur anywhere. Russians are xenophobic people and jelaous. Most race problems are related to the fear of foreigners taking away jobs from Russian workers, terrorism caused by Muslims and dark-skinned peoples obsession with blonde Russian women. There is also some jealousy directed at people from the Caucasus due to their relative success in Moscow, oddly combined with their high unemployment. Moscow is a financial mecca and many people from the Caucasus, particularly Armenians and Georgians, have been very successful and like to show it off... black S-class Mercedes, Armani suit, blonde doll on his arm. (some of my best friends in Moscow are Caucasians) This causes jelaousy. Vastly more people from the Caucasus and central Asia have come to Moscow unemployed and work cheap labor jobs or dont work at all... causing fear that Moscow is being overrun by "foreigners" and "black people". More cause for strife. Add in the constant fear of Chechen terrorist attacks and you have an omnipresent latent anxiety. Even this kind of racism shouldnt be exaggerated in my opinion. I'm not black so I am not an expert, but I have known some people who might get targeted by racial treatment and they got along just fine in Moscow.

If I were black I would think twice about going to provincial Russia however and if I did, I would be very cautious, especially at night.

General anti-foreigner sentiment, including against white foreigners, does exist to a certain degree as it does everywhere, especially in poorer areas of Russia. Again this is based on the fact that white foreigners are viewed as rich (at least by the general "poor" public, rich Russians view foreigners with a certain degree of respect and a larger degree of apathy) and that white foreigners are seen as doing very well with Russian girls.

Moscow (at least central Moscow) however isnt poor and is more obsessed with money than anything else, so people "dont have time" to worry about bothersome foreigners. You may have a comment or two thrown your way, one you likely won't even understand. In the last few years I've had less than 10 minor incidents based on my foreign status (knock on wood) and these were all really laughably minor.

My best suggestion is to go to Moscow with an open mind. Some people are fascinated by it and drawn in like a moth to flame, some people are intimidated by its vast size and power, some love its world-class nightlife and exciting pace, others are annoyed by its high prices and nerve-grinding big city annoyances. There is truth to all of this, but for me it is still my favorite place... to visit.

[Big Bro AJ]

Another series of awesome posts from Doc the mentor/master…:)

I am originally from Istanbul/Turkey. Most of the time foreigners thought whether I am American, Greek or Italian. Usually, girls first guess was Greek, when they realized that I came from Istanbul, the ice melted. Russians love to go to Turkish coastlines for summer holidays

Not only your skin color also the way you dress and the way you hang around affects girls and guys approach.

YES, Moscow is expensive. But mongering is not cheap and when you compare to EU countries and States, Moscow is definitely cheaper.

YES, Moscow might be dangerous. But, in this crazy world, none of us are safe even in our hometowns.

I wrote it couple of times, I enjoy going incalls. Safety is the major concern. I slept with a mafia(boss) mistress. At that moment he was in jail somewhere in Europe. Damaged steel main door, double security doors, cams and all the high tech security gadgets. At first 2 hours I was afraid that someone gone bust us. But later, I said, fuck it; I am gone live only once (also weed and booze might affect me).

Trendy outfits and accessories definitely impress girls, Russian girls are looking and interested in fancy watches, latest model high tech cell phones, expensive shoes, what you order to drink, how you approach to them and you can dance or not.

I have never carry more than $500 in a night. Even though I keep them separate and never ever show how much money I have in my pocket. No need to take attention and attract girls with money. You already pay her for sex. I don’t carry wallet or credit cards. I had problems on withdrawing cash from ATM machines; therefore I only bring cash. If I(we) brought girls to my(our) place, we always lock the door and hide the keys. Also try not to leave the cash or wallets on tables.

I prefer to ignore people when I use the metro, try to stay away from the empty streets or under passages.

I love to walk around the city and use the metro. I even use irregular taxis to go to incalls. Most of the time I can understand the metro station but not the full address, so girls gave the directions to the driver and had no problems so far.

You have been there for business or pleasure or both. Don’t be afraid to explore the city. Foreigners or first timers kept going to same rat holes(CF,NF, Safari, Oh la la). Try live the city. If you have time, not only walk on Arbat or Novy Arbat, also go to shopping malls(ex: the one next to Kurskaya metro station, opposite of CF). Try to understand the Russians and their cultures.

Unfortunately, most of the foreigners are only after sex with long, thin, blonde Russian girls. And when ordinary Russians meet a foreigner, they think, “oh this guy is after my devushka”.

From outside, people think that they don’t like foreigners but not totally true. They may look cold or unfriendly but they are one of the friendliest people on earth. Don’t forget Russia was the motherland of the communist regime.

Russians are real party people (Especially prefer house parties). Love to drink, eat and dance.

Short of long, Moscow has the craziest nightlife. As long as you have enough cash flow, nothing is impossible.

[Blastoff]

Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.

Gangs and crime:
The only people who really have problems with skinhead gangs are "black people" and when Russians refer to "black people" they mean anyone with dark skin... Africans, Arabs, Indians and in particular people from the Caucasus, like Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians, Azerbaijanis and even Georgians and Armenians. People from some central Asian former Soviet republics like Tadjikistan or Uzbekistan are also sometimes targeted as are darker skinned people from other areas like Turkey, Romania or wherever. That said, the vast majority of problems faced are outside of Moscow in places like Voronezh, where several high profile murders have taken place at the hands of skinhead gangs.

Within Moscow, at least within the vast center, you will not encounter skinhead gangs or violence. Black people may encounter other forms of racism, like verbal attacks, not being able to get into clubs, hassles from the police etc... basically the same type of racism that can occur anywhere. Russians are xenophobic people and jelaous. Most race problems are related to the fear of foreigners taking away jobs from Russian workers, terrorism caused by Muslims and dark-skinned peoples obsession with blonde Russian women. There is also some jealousy directed at people from the Caucasus due to their relative success in Moscow, oddly combined with their high unemployment. Moscow is a financial mecca and many people from the Caucasus, particularly Armenians and Georgians, have been very successful and like to show it off... black S-class Mercedes, Armani suit, blonde doll on his arm. (some of my best friends in Moscow are Caucasians) This causes jelaousy. Vastly more people from the Caucasus and central Asia have come to Moscow unemployed and work cheap labor jobs or dont work at all... causing fear that Moscow is being overrun by "foreigners" and "black people". More cause for strife. Add in the constant fear of Chechen terrorist attacks and you have an omnipresent latent anxiety. Even this kind of racism shouldnt be exaggerated in my opinion. I'm not black so I am not an expert, but I have known some people who might get targeted by racial treatment and they got along just fine in Moscow.

If I were black I would think twice about going to provincial Russia however and if I did, I would be very cautious, especially at night.

General anti-foreigner sentiment, including against white foreigners, does exist to a certain degree as it does everywhere, especially in poorer areas of Russia. Again this is based on the fact that white foreigners are viewed as rich (at least by the general "poor" public, rich Russians view foreigners with a certain degree of respect and a larger degree of apathy) and that white foreigners are seen as doing very well with Russian girls.

Moscow (at least central Moscow) however isnt poor and is more obsessed with money than anything else, so people "dont have time" to worry about bothersome foreigners. You may have a comment or two thrown your way, one you likely won't even understand. In the last few years I've had less than 10 minor incidents based on my foreign status (knock on wood) and these were all really laughably minor.

My best suggestion is to go to Moscow with an open mind. Some people are fascinated by it and drawn in like a moth to flame, some people are intimidated by its vast size and power, some love its world-class nightlife and exciting pace, others are annoyed by its high prices and nerve-grinding big city annoyances. There is truth to all of this, but for me it is still my favorite place... to visit.

Thanks again for shedding some light on this and expressing your perspective.

[Blastoff]

Another series of awesome posts from Doc the mentor/master…:)

I am originally from Istanbul/Turkey. Most of the time foreigners thought whether I am American, Greek or Italian. Usually, girls first guess was Greek, when they realized that I came from Istanbul, the ice melted. Russians love to go to Turkish coastlines for summer holidays

Not only your skin color also the way you dress and the way you hang around affects girls and guys approach.

YES, Moscow is expensive. But mongering is not cheap and when you compare to EU countries and States, Moscow is definitely cheaper.

YES, Moscow might be dangerous. But, in this crazy world, none of us are safe even in our hometowns.

I wrote it couple of times, I enjoy going incalls. Safety is the major concern. I slept with a mafia(boss) mistress. At that moment he was in jail somewhere in Europe. Damaged steel main door, double security doors, cams and all the high tech security gadgets. At first 2 hours I was afraid that someone gone bust us. But later, I said, fuck it; I am gone live only once (also weed and booze might affect me).

Trendy outfits and accessories definitely impress girls, Russian girls are looking and interested in fancy watches, latest model high tech cell phones, expensive shoes, what you order to drink, how you approach to them and you can dance or not.

I have never carry more than $500 in a night. Even though I keep them separate and never ever show how much money I have in my pocket. No need to take attention and attract girls with money. You already pay her for sex. I don’t carry wallet or credit cards. I had problems on withdrawing cash from ATM machines; therefore I only bring cash. If I(we) brought girls to my(our) place, we always lock the door and hide the keys. Also try not to leave the cash or wallets on tables.

I prefer to ignore people when I use the metro, try to stay away from the empty streets or under passages.

I love to walk around the city and use the metro. I even use irregular taxis to go to incalls. Most of the time I can understand the metro station but not the full address, so girls gave the directions to the driver and had no problems so far.

You have been there for business or pleasure or both. Don’t be afraid to explore the city. Foreigners or first timers kept going to same rat holes(CF,NF, Safari, Oh la la). Try live the city. If you have time, not only walk on Arbat or Novy Arbat, also go to shopping malls(ex: the one next to Kurskaya metro station, opposite of CF). Try to understand the Russians and their cultures.

Unfortunately, most of the foreigners are only after sex with long, thin, blonde Russian girls. And when ordinary Russians meet a foreigner, they think, “oh this guy is after my devushka”.

From outside, people think that they don’t like foreigners but not totally true. They may look cold or unfriendly but they are one of the friendliest people on earth. Don’t forget Russia was the motherland of the communist regime.

Russians are real party people (Especially prefer house parties). Love to drink, eat and dance.

Short of long, Moscow has the craziest nightlife. As long as you have enough cash flow, nothing is impossible.


Thanks for that. I enjoyed reading it and took what you said on board.

[Helena Moscow]

Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.

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I just can add that it's a wise decition to carry passport original. Even we, Muscovites, do the same. Because if something is wrong with your papers, you can be locked in the police for a day or more, which is not at all pleasant. In some days it seems they check documents on every corner, but if everithing is OK with your passport, visa and registration, they let you out in a polite manner.

[CA Traveler]

This entire thread of conversation just reminds me one of the reasons that I moved away from Moscow to Odessa! :)

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T:

I admit that Odessa is definitely less hassle than Moscow and a great place to relax amid a bevy of beauties, but there are still reasons we go to Russia...

:)

[CA Traveler]

doc... no question that Moscow has more options available for P4P, but you have to admit that ODS holds its own when it comes to regular girls in both quality and quantity!

No doubt that Moscow is a fun place to visit, especially when you have an unlimited expense account and a very flexible schedule, but...

When it comes to less cost, less hassle, less traffic, easy trip from airport, better weather, excellent restaurants at a reasonable price, all in a stress-free environment, ODS is ahead of the game... AT LEAST AS A PERMANENT RESIDENCE.

Maybe you've just been away from ODS for too long? :)

[Prosal]

According to the latest (2005) Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Moscow remains in the four most expensives cities in the world.

http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm

Kiev (and Odessa, presuming that cost of living is approximately the same in both cities), in 54th place, is not that cheap. Bucharest is the least expensive European city in 103rd place, and Buenos Aires one of the least expensive in the world in 142nd place.

[Prosal]

maybe i just didn't take the time to read it properly...

Yep, maybe ....

lol

[Doctor_Skank]

Rating expensive cities:

These ratings are based on downtown office space prices, certain services, residential prices etc. and aren't really 100% accurate, but they do at least provide a general guideline. That said, there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others.

Ca_T: I like ODS a lot and can't wait to get back and just relax... am quite frankly a bit worried that ODS will get overrun with tourists however and just become another beach resort town ala Mallorca or Rimini with its groping tourists, lackluster service and annoying crowds of sun-happy revelers. I certainly dont need that, if I want that I can stay in Europe and actually spend less based on the kind of great package deals you get here. I just hope that ODS can maintain its special character!

If I had to go somewhere to choose the world's best women for my personal harem and could only go one place, I'd still go to Moscow though... FSU's collective wealth of beauty resides there. My current "flames" are from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, not to mention some of the standard blonde type.

Odessan women do have a very special sexual quality about them though and if someone would say that Odessan women were the world's best, it would be hard to argue... its all a matter of perspective.

I'm admittedly spoiled in Moscow and the freebie market. It's better than ever if you apply yourself properly and can offer the girl at least some intangible "value-added" quality, which is essentially at least the notion that you live there, are successful and might actually see her for a second date after banging her... I also find that Moscow women are addicted to adventure and excitement, if you can offer her something more than the standard expensive dinners, flowers and perfume gifts you can get far. I've long stopped going to expensive restaurants for example, its usually just a waste of time and money and doesnt really get you any further with the girl. My favorite gift is still lingerie... she is almost forced to model it for you and they all love it...

If I want to go someplace to relax and let life pamper me with sun, frolick and babes, Odessa is the place.
Moscow is high-powered, energetic wild women, crazy sex and variety variety variety.
And lets not forget Kiev..

It's good to be a man in EE.

[Prosal]

These ratings aren't really 100% accurate .... there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others. .


"Mercer’s survey covers 144 cities across six continents and measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each location, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment. It is the world’s most comprehensive cost of living survey and is used to help multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees. With New York as the base city scoring 100 points, Tokyo scores 134.7 and is more than three times costlier than Asuncion, which has an index of 40.3."

[Blastoff]

According to the latest (2005) Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Moscow remains in the four most expensives cities in the world.

http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm

Kiev (and Odessa, presuming that cost of living is approximately the same in both cities), in 54th place, is not that cheap. Bucharest is the least expensive European city in 103rd place, and Buenos Aires one of the least expensive in the world in 142nd place.


Many thanks for this link and info. I will use it to plan where to visit as I am looking for 3 or 4 cities or towns in Europe where sex with fare skinned girls is easily available and the cost of living is not ridiculously high. I am covered with Asia as I have found that Utopia in the Philippines and Thailand, Africa, the DR, Colombia and Brazil more than cover me for my dark fetish but reasonable priced, fun loving, white skinned or blonds have eluded me for a while other than in my own country of Australia but then you need to keep them long term as a GF which I don't want to do due to the hassle.

I will post all reports of future trips here as a thank you for all the great info I have got so far.

Cheers!

[Blastoff]

this list must be plagued by a very screwy methodology and doesn't pass the initial smell test. it porports that budapest (24), warsaw (28), and prague (27) are more expensive than los angeles (44) and that hanoi (50) is just as expensive as san franciso (50). maybe i just didn't take the time to read it properly...

I am suggesting that it may be based on the cost of living proportionate to the per capita income of the population and the basic monthly salary. Just a guess..

[Maslitio]

Sorry guys. Don't mean to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyone off. Moscow prices, for everything, are fake. There is this example that I use with people to explain the difference. If you have an acre of land in the west you plant fruit trees that reap the reward in a couple of years. In Russia if you have an acre of land you build a fence, bribe officials, hire security, and plant potatoes that you reap in less than a year. See the differnce? Thank you Matthew Maly

See, people here open a store and they do not know when it is going to be closed down. They will try to screw you over for the maximum price for the limited time they are in business. The business plan extends to about 1 years here at tops.

As a small business owner, I think that the rates on offices and apartments are ridiculous. The average person who lives here makes about 550 dollars per month. That is less than my rent. To live here like a dignified human being, not a Russian with the explolding Rubin TV and sausage that is not made cat meat, it costs more than LA. I actually told a landlord- "Why am I paying Cali prices" and she said " Well, this is not California."

Yes, I can see that.

No ocean and -30 in the winter. Here have all my money! Please let me live here!

You guys, what would you choose, a house by the sea in Malibu or a "kottazh" in Zhukovo? I am actually curious, where would you live if you had a couple mil burning a hole in you pocket?

They have a new law where you can only import 35 kg a month from China where before you could import 200 kg a month. The reason was to protect Russian manufacturing. The problem is- there is no Russian manufacturing! In the Far East 80% of things are imported from China. It will basically raise prices at a time when the PM said to the the money minister "Kus kino mat'".

I seriously think that when they make laws here they go- "how can we screw over the average Russian?"

Sorry to be pendatic but I only post messages here when I am drunk off my ass.

I think I will be at the Boarhouse tomorrow (Sun) if anyone wants to meet up.

[Ffmbud]

In this Hotel girls in a bar do not sit. It is new Hotel. You will find girls here
http://www.sweet-dreams.ru and http://www.yourfantasy.ru

I know, I first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many.


Thanks to all,

K[/QUOTE]OK, so on my last morning in Moscow I gave Victoria a ring to have Katya come by the apartment for 2-3 hrs prior to taking my long trip home. I have nothing to complain about with respect to the service and the girl's attitude but it sure the hell wasn't Katya that advertised on the yourfantasy website, no matter how much she insisted that it was or how bad your screen resolution might be! The "Katya" that showed up was not 19, closer to early thirties, perhaps late twenties consider how Russian women tend to age (I laugh at CT's 'they age in dog-years after 25' comment.

So mongers be warned, the photos are come-ons, but the experience was nevertheless good, but if what you order is what you expect, you'll be disappointed what shows up.

[Blastoff]

this list is bullshit. no need for elaboration. it's not germane who printed it or what criterion was used.

how much does a girl in nf go for these days?

Explain NF please and I will answer if I can.

[Blastoff]

this list is bullshit. no need for elaboration. it's not germane who printed it or what criterion was used.

how much does a girl in nf go for these days?

Here is an other web address on the subject that confirms the earlier findings and better explains how the authors came to their conclusions.

Enjoy

http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html

[Spark78]

Hi friend I have seen you every where on the bard. Now tell me what it is good in Moscow. I am travelling to moscow, kiev & Odessai. So give your fair advz.

Spark 78


Rating expensive cities:

These ratings are based on downtown office space prices, certain services, residential prices etc. and aren't really 100% accurate, but they do at least provide a general guideline. That said, there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others.

Ca_T: I like ODS a lot and can't wait to get back and just relax... am quite frankly a bit worried that ODS will get overrun with tourists however and just become another beach resort town ala Mallorca or Rimini with its groping tourists, lackluster service and annoying crowds of sun-happy revelers. I certainly dont need that, if I want that I can stay in Europe and actually spend less based on the kind of great package deals you get here. I just hope that ODS can maintain its special character!

If I had to go somewhere to choose the world's best women for my personal harem and could only go one place, I'd still go to Moscow though... FSU's collective wealth of beauty resides there. My current "flames" are from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, not to mention some of the standard blonde type.

Odessan women do have a very special sexual quality about them though and if someone would say that Odessan women were the world's best, it would be hard to argue... its all a matter of perspective.

I'm admittedly spoiled in Moscow and the freebie market. It's better than ever if you apply yourself properly and can offer the girl at least some intangible "value-added" quality, which is essentially at least the notion that you live there, are successful and might actually see her for a second date after banging her... I also find that Moscow women are addicted to adventure and excitement, if you can offer her something more than the standard expensive dinners, flowers and perfume gifts you can get far. I've long stopped going to expensive restaurants for example, its usually just a waste of time and money and doesnt really get you any further with the girl. My favorite gift is still lingerie... she is almost forced to model it for you and they all love it...

If I want to go someplace to relax and let life pamper me with sun, frolick and babes, Odessa is the place.
Moscow is high-powered, energetic wild women, crazy sex and variety variety variety.
And lets not forget Kiev..

It's good to be a man in EE.

[Stravinsky]

Ffmbud,

I think someone else also posted on their experience with sweet-dreams.ru. Pretty much the same as yours; the experience was OK, but the website is not completely honest.

Neither of you posted prices, though. What are the girls charging?

On another note....

Spark78,

Dark Shark???? Wasn't he a character in Threepenny Opera?

[Ffmbud]

Stravinsky,

What I was proposed was $200 for 3 hrs for the services.

[Bez Bezarra]

so [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off.
moscow is everything fake.

there i use people.
in russia you bribe officials, and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the dyevs who
make about 5 dollars per month.

that is my human sausage the cat meat costs more.

well, i am actually curious, where would you live if you had a couple mil burning a hole in you pocket?

they have a new law where you can only import 35 kg a month from china where before you could import 200 kg a month. the problem is- there is no russian manufacturing! in the far east 80% of things are imported from china.

i think the laws here screw over the average russian



there are a few other places a monger could make a stand with a
couple million.

just send your driver down to the container port 10km from odessa, and you can import as much as you want.

all laws are meant to screw average people. you think the rich lawyers
that make the laws give a fuck about anyone but themselves and
their rich buddies? you better wake up. though if you've got millions,
then you're one of them. so from all us average joes, go cry to mommy!

[Doctor_Skank]

Peasant:

There is a lot of truth in your post, but I really dont seem to get your point... :)

If I had a couple of mil I wouldnt live in Moscow, but I would go there on weekends and party my ass off.

Blastoff:

NF is Night Flight.

Dirk Dingy:

From what I remember prices are $250+ for 3 hours-night. You can probably talk girls down to $200 on an offnight. I talked one down to $170 last summer, but ended up not taking her and going to a normal club... it felt like a small victory in a long war.

Spark78:

What is good in Moscow? Depends on your budget. If money is no object, than the strip clubs are great. All you ever wanted to know about strip clubs can be found in 109's reports, there is a link to some of them in the Reports of Distinction thread. If money is at least a secondary concern, then internet girls/escorts/salons. If you have the time and inclination, the single best thing about Moscow is the freebie market, clubs, parties and debauched sex.

[Alex Koen]

Hello, friends!

I would like to present you the selection of Kiev (Peter, Moscow) prostitutes. All have quite normal pictures in their questionnaires, so you can make it out. Here is the selection itself:

Janet 25 (60$ for hour, 100$ for 2 hours, 200$ for night)
http://www.destiny.com.ua/alimila
(7-812-972-12-26, 1500RUR for hour 2500RUR for 2 hours)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/likaaa3000
(8-911-242-36-00, 3000RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/magda555
(8-921-780-60-84, 1500RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/tetka01
(8-905-222-35-66, 1800RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/gannetta1
(8-904-332-75-19, 1800RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/wlada4
(8-911-176-13-13, 1800RUR for hour)

You have to be registered to see the big pictures. Registration is free and if you know what and where you should push it will take a couple of minutes. Just don't ask how much time it took for me :))

So, how to be registered:

1. Click on the word "Регистрация" (Registration) at the upper left.

2. If a questionnaire did not appear push the big green button named "Регистрация"(Registration).

3. Fill the questionnaire:
"Логин" = enter your login (try make your login longer so it won't be already occupied, but if is occupied the system will suggest to choose the other variant)

"Пароль" = password
"еще раз"(once again) = here you shall repeat your password

E-mail - well, you know what to do :))
"Ваше имя:"(Your name) - just enter your name here. Actually you can write here anything, but it should consist of one word.

"Ваш пол:"(Your sex) - choose your sex ("Мужской"(male)/"Женский"(female))
"Дата рождения:"(Date of birth) - enter any date, but you have to choose something

"Место жительства:"(Place of residense) - you also have to choose something here
"С кем бы вы хотели познакомиться?"(Who you would like to become acquainted with?) - choose with whom you wish to become acquainted :)) (choose "с девушкой" = with a girl)

"Код:"(Code) - enter a code on a picture

"Я принимаю условия, изложенные в Соглашении о предоставлении услуг"(I accept the terms specified in Agreement about the grant of services) - put a mark and push the button "Зарегистрироваться"(Register).

You will get an e-mail, where you will find a link for confirmation of registration. In principle you can confirm it if you still gonna look for the girlies here, otherwise your questionnaire will just be removed in a day.

Well that's all! Have fun!!! :)

[Blastoff]

Peasant:

There is a lot of truth in your post, but I really dont seem to get your point... :)

If I had a couple of mil I wouldnt live in Moscow, but I would go there on weekends and party my ass off.

Blastoff:

NF is Night Flight.

Dirk Dingy:

From what I remember prices are $250+ for 3 hours-night. You can probably talk girls down to $200 on an offnight. I talked one down to $170 last summer, but ended up not taking her and going to a normal club... it felt like a small victory in a long war.

Spark78:

What is good in Moscow? Depends on your budget. If money is no object, than the strip clubs are great. All you ever wanted to know about strip clubs can be found in 109's reports, there is a link to some of them in the Reports of Distinction thread. If money is at least a secondary concern, then internet girls/escorts/salons. If you have the time and inclination, the single best thing about Moscow is the freebie market, clubs, parties and debauched sex.

Doctor_Skank,
You said if you had a couple of million dollars you would NOT live in Moscow but just visit week ends, which surprised me.

May I ask IYHO where you would base yourself in the world if you were retired with a couple of mil and no wife and family?

[CA Traveler]

bez... just a clarification... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs to get to Moscow.

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff,

My first million is about a million away, but for the sake of argument...

I'd chose a place based on:

* location, should be within "striking distance" of EE
* weather, should be "continental weather" but generally comfortable
* social circles, I wouldnt want to be the only millionaire in the area
* comfort of living, I'd want to live close to a major metropolis, but not necessarily a megapolis like London, New York or Paris

A good place to be a millionaire would be the US, but is too far away from the "action" in my opinion.

Asia would also be fun, but the pure congestion of the cities would drive me nuts, as would constantly being surrounded by a culture completely foreign to my own.

I havent been to SA, so I cant comment on that, even though living on a hacienda somewhere does sound appealing. SA is a bit too far from everything (EE) as well though.

Europe is probably the best option, due to proximity to EE and high standard of living, as well as cultural compatibility.

I wouldnt want to live in Russia and wouldnt want to live in Ukraine either, which is still politically unstable. If stability were granted, Kiev MIGHT be an option, as it is a very pleasant city. Odessa is too small for my taste and just a holiday destination for me.

As I stated before, Moscow girls are my favorite and Moscow is one of my favorite cities, but living there, even for the super rich, can be quite uncomfortable. One of my current gfs is a millionaire's daughter and lives outside of town in a mansion on Rubloevskoe Shosse, where many of Moscow's elite live. Life is good out there, but she is also about an hour's drive (although she never drives, she is driven) from the city center and complains all the time about how Moscow life can drag one down. Traffic is a nightmare in Moscow if you try to drive across town (as it is with most "mega-cities") and the weather is also not particularly nice. Add water supply problems (even for the super rich), hassle from the government and police and latent political uncertainty and you have a few reasons not to live there. The best reason to live there would be the social life, as Moscow does tend to breed a party atmosphere and encourage decadent behavior. The people are generally good in all social classes, at least that has been my experience.

Having an apartment, or just visiting from time to time, even a few weeks at a time, would be great... but living there? I don't think so.

So if I had to choose, it would be somewhere in Europe... just not sure exactly where. I think I'll worry about that when the first million rolls in... :)

[Blastoff]

Blastoff,

My first million is about a million away, but for the sake of argument...

I'd chose a place based on:

* location, should be within "striking distance" of EE
* weather, should be "continental weather" but generally comfortable
* social circles, I wouldnt want to be the only millionaire in the area
* comfort of living, I'd want to live close to a major metropolis, but not necessarily a megapolis like London, New York or Paris

A good place to be a millionaire would be the US, but is too far away from the "action" in my opinion.

Asia would also be fun, but the pure congestion of the cities would drive me nuts, as would constantly being surrounded by a culture completely foreign to my own.

I havent been to SA, so I cant comment on that, even though living on a hacienda somewhere does sound appealing. SA is a bit too far from everything (EE) as well though.

Europe is probably the best option, due to proximity to EE and high standard of living, as well as cultural compatibility.

I wouldnt want to live in Russia and wouldnt want to live in Ukraine either, which is still politically unstable. If stability were granted, Kiev MIGHT be an option, as it is a very pleasant city. Odessa is too small for my taste and just a holiday destination for me.

As I stated before, Moscow girls are my favorite and Moscow is one of my favorite cities, but living there, even for the super rich, can be quite uncomfortable. One of my current gfs is a millionaire's daughter and lives outside of town in a mansion on Rubloevskoe Shosse, where many of Moscow's elite live. Life is good out there, but she is also about an hour's drive (although she never drives, she is driven) from the city center and complains all the time about how Moscow life can drag one down. Traffic is a nightmare in Moscow if you try to drive across town (as it is with most "mega-cities") and the weather is also not particularly nice. Add water supply problems (even for the super rich), hassle from the government and police and latent political uncertainty and you have a few reasons not to live there. The best reason to live there would be the social life, as Moscow does tend to breed a party atmosphere and encourage decadent behavior. The people are generally good in all social classes, at least that has been my experience.

Having an apartment, or just visiting from time to time, even a few weeks at a time, would be great... but living there? I don't think so.

So if I had to choose, it would be somewhere in Europe... just not sure exactly where. I think I'll worry about that when the first million rolls in... :)


Excellent points of view many thanks.

[Big Bro AJ]

Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.

After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.

As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.

[Doctor_Skank]

Big Bro,

I read about a fire at a Moscow club, but didnt realize it was one of Doug's. Do you remember the name of the club?

In any case, a new mongering venue would be great!

[Big Bro AJ]

Honeslty, I have no first hand info about it. My buddy from Moscow has been visiting me and he told me the story.

He loves to hang around at CF on Monday and Thursday nights. But he always complains about the low quality of the girls, aggravating services and unpleasent incidents.

Marty definetly knows better what the market needs...

[Blastoff]

As you will know if you have been following this forum, I have been putting in a lot of hours of research into my up coming visit to Russia this June/July.

The inherit problem, as I see it, is that if you want to enjoy numerous hot girls per day while your are there, it’s damn expensive. Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks adds up to a hell of a lot of money quickly. No matter how much money you have, you will soon run out spending it at that rate. Say u want 1, 2 or 3 hot girls per day depending on your drive and preferences, that could add up to a few grand per day depending on the quality of the girls and where you get them from, especially if you have champagne taste in women.

I have been chatting on line to many girls in Russia both in Moscow and in other smaller cities and the reaction I get from them is extraordinarily positive. I have been using the usual meeting sites like www.lavalife.com and www.friendfinder.com etc and I am having huge success on line. Now this doesn’t necessarily mean that they will all turn into bed partners but the reaction to my contact is amazing.
They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon.

They are ALL totally keen to come to my hotel in Moscow and stay with me for some days or weeks if I allow them to. They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it? :)

My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow and stay with me a few days or longer each at staggered periods . This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow. It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.

So far I have had 100% agreement from all the girls that have responded to my initial emails, to come and spend some days with me in my hotel. No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there.

Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow. The girls from areas like Ioskar-Ola and Kazan seem to be very beautiful and VERY poor. Here we have a perfect combination for mongering heaven wouldn’t you agree?

This will make for an interesting subject so I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this area.

If this works our for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL.

Let’s give it a spin.

[Piper1]

Blastoff - good plan.

I will be in Moscow for a week, from about June 25. (I cancelled the St Pete part of my trip, as the pal I was going to stay with had to suddenly leave St Pete a few days ago. He came back to Dubai with a black eye. I don't believe his "skating accident" and "visa problem" story. ;))

I also dabble in the dating sites - but it takes up a hell of a lot of time (I'm doing some Dubai dating internet work currently -narrowed it down to a nice Russian and a keen Filipino, from many possible dates). Yes, the responses are usually good, but as you know, it can be hit and miss. But if they are offering to stay at your hotel (especially in their underwear ;), well that's surely a good sign. Of course they won't mention money, but they will expect something (at least gifts, and probably some "spending money").

I had success last year in Amsterdam with a gal who travelled from Paris to stay with me for the adventure and some gifts and the train fare. Good fun memories with a 20 y.o non-pro student. Now she wants to come to Dubai. Beware the baggage!

[Bez Bezarra]

bez... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs.

Kanyeshna Nachalnik!

That's what the bribes are for. :)

The limits on imports are only for basing the prices to pay
tribute to your friend Mr. Customs Officer, its the cornerstone
of the whole fucking crooked FIS economy.

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff:

Sounds like a great plan, here just a few comments:

"Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks... "

$300-400/night is pretty standard for upper tier girls, but anything above $400 is paying above market prices. Expensive it is either way you look at it.

"champagne taste in women."

Well champagne is champagne, but what about sparkling white wine? :)

"I am having huge success on line."

Its relative... I learned to not "count my chicks before they hatch" or is we say, "until you got your dick wet, you haven't scored." But a start's a start and you are off to a running one.

"They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon."

Russian women do understand that they have to sell themselves somehow, and they know what men want and react to. I totally respect that honest and liberal approach.

"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

"My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow"

How long will you be in Moscow? Or what if your "busload" all shows up at the same time... :)

"This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow."

Are you sure you want to subject them to a bus trip? Russia is seriously large and bus is a really shitty way to travel. Depending on the distance, they could be in the bus for a couple of days...

"No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there."

You dont have to pay them, although I do think they somehow expect you to be generous, which seems deserved based on how much effort they have to make to see you. Perhaps you could go shopping to a mid-level clothing store or provide them with "help for their school tuition". Being Mr.Cheapo after they arrive isnt going to make a great impression...

"Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow."

That's golden... :) Dont count on the really good-looking ones on never having been anywhere though. A great-looking girl need not suffer for money anywhere in Russia. The really hot ones usually are sponsored somehow. Not all of course, but a girl knows what she has to do to survive. Perhaps in the really poor areas you can still find some true diamonds.

"If this works out for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL"

Don't be surprised if you end up spending a small fortune on your budget mongering scheme, but it'll still be less than you would spend on p4p 3 times a day.

Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD.... :)

[Cruiser D]

People are always getting toasted in clubs in the US. A few years back 99 or 100 died in a club in RI. 20-30 in NYC. 20-30 in Chicago. One should always keep that in mind when going out. Club owners and promoters generally aren't the most safety minded people in the world. And this is the US the land of the lawsuit. There are more dangers then one thinks. Come to think of it, what would one do in the old 111 in Kiev if there was a fire. As far as I could see there was only one entrance/exit via the stairs. I wonder what the abandon ship drill is at River Palace. ;)


Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.

After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.

As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.

[Big Bro AJ]

Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD.... :)


What a great way to monger...

Shag her while her DAD/brother sleeps in the next room. ::)))

Do we also have to arrange girl for DAD/brother???

Blastoff,

Most of the girls are looking sugar daddies. Sponsored vacation to Moscow, little shopping and clubbing. These girls know to write the right words to make you happy and believe her.

Instead of sponsoring, explore the beauties of Moscow nightlife. Why do you want to stick with one or two girls? There are hundreds of girls as long as you have $200 in your pocket.

Moscow is full opportunities; you may easily find 7/8ish girls for $70-100/2 hours at daytime.

[Piper1]

Blastoff,

Seriously, don't be a fool. Most of the girls are looking sugar daddies.

Blastoff! It's a great plan. Of course they are looking for sugar-daddies. So what - it's a fair trade (a bit of shopping, clubbing, dinners etc, in return for some fun company and GFE carnal pleasures). Go for it. But like Dr Skank says, don't fill all your time with the internet dates. Keep some free time for non-sugar daddy mongering. My sugar-baby stayed with me two days. Good fun, but in the end I wanted her to go back home so I could be a bachelor monger again.

[Big Bro AJ]

Blastoff,

Arranging girls via chat rooms is what most of us (including me) did. It’s hit and miss…As long as she lives in Moscow, it’s an adventurous way to find freebies. Arrange 2-3 girls, have a drink or late lunch (luckily most of them only eat salads or fruits), if you like each others, take her out at night and probably get laid at the second date (worst case scenario).

When you find a girl from a club/bar/tochka/internet; and don’t like her or don’t really find what you expect on sex than you only send her back. BUT, what are you gone do if you don’t like the girl you sponsor.

Besides how can you believe her that she really lives in another city. She speaks English and has access to Internet. If she is clever enough, she can easily arrange couples of guys for free summer holiday in Moscow. All she has to do is play the innocent country girl trick. I know it because it happened to me.

She will expect you to take her to fancy and popular clubs and shopping; breakfast-lunch-dinner is gone be pricey. Why do you bother yourself for sponsoring? Of course it’s your money, and none of my business; BUT as I understand this will be your first time in Moscow.

I humble think that sponsoring girls will definitely limits you and will cost you more.

[Doctor_Skank]

Although Big Bro's concerns are valid, I'm not quite as suspicious as he is of the girl's intentions, but you should be careful.

As internet is one of my primary sources of new talent and most girls are fairly honest, I'm not quite as suspicious as I dont think they necessarily are coming to haul in the mother lode, but I am sure they would be very disappointed if they got "nothing but cuddles" out of it.

I also think that it would only be decent to reward them somehow, as it is quite an effort for a girl to ride a shitty bus across Russia (provided they even accept this as a legit mode of transport to meet their prince), take holiday from work or school, explain to her family and friends why and how she is going to Moscow, not to mention the latent anxiety of meeting a complete stranger and having to stay with him. I also assume that the girls, at least if they are smart, have a plan B in case you turn out to be a psycho. :)

Especially if they are really innocent girls as you suggest, a fair but not overdone "reward" would be very decent.

If she looks "polished" in her internet profile... nice hair, nice clothes etc. or shows pictures of herself on holiday in Turkey or whereever, you can almost be guaranteed that she has a sponsor and probably expects a bit more than the more plain student types would. Its still not a bad idea, but there really is the question of what do you do with her if she arrives and you dont like her? Just kicking her out on the street might sound great in theory, but you may then be surprised to find out how many "brothers" and "friends" in Moscow she suddenly has.

I'd still give it a go, for sure, but really dont overschedule. I dont know how long you are planning to stay, but bussing in new girls every second day is a bit much. Remember that Moscow nightlife is an energy vampire and although you may want to spend all your nights and days in the comfort of your hotel bed with your internet maiden, I am sure the girls are going to want to go out and see the town... and its restaurants and bars. They may not necessarily want "to paint the town red" (after all it is already red) but I am sure they expect some fun. If you arent careful, you could find yourself utterly drained and desperately wanting a break, even as you drive to the bus station to pick up Olga #3... :)

[Big Bro AJ]

Blastoff,

If you quote, please don’t quote the all message and write one sentence. It takes too much space.

[Piper1]

...I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this.
Since you asked, here's how I did it last time. (Not in Moscow, but you've got me thinking about doing it for Moscow also). Very effective and efficient method. No time-wasting chat-rooms, no hours of "seduction" emailing back and forth. I simply put an ad on expatriates.com (Dubai section) which said something like this:
___________________
Free Trip to Amsterdam.

Married guy, late 30s [okay, I lied about my age!], travelling to Amsterdam for one week next month. I'm looking for a discrete and adventurous woman to join me for fun, adventure and intimate times. I'm professional, okay looking, fit and healthy, adventurous, and fun. Will be staying in a 5-star hotel, enjoying the sights and nightlife. Come and join me! email me at xxxxx
__________________

My plan was to bring a gal from Dubai (if I could find a suitable one), but I ended up with about 20 replies from all over the world. I settled on a Paris-born-and-bred student with an Arabic background. We only exhanged about 6 emails each over a few weeks. She politely backed out a few days before we were supposed to meet, which was fine by me. But when I arrived, I sent her an email telling her I'd arrived, and if she changed her mind, to let me know. She emailed me her phone number, we chatted about 10 minutes, and she hopped on the first train to Amsterdam. Try placing an ad.

PS - here she is.

[GandJim]

They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it? :)

..... It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.
I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.

[Blastoff]

Blastoff - good plan.

I will be in Moscow for a week, from about June 25. (I cancelled the St Pete part of my trip, as the pal I was going to stay with had to suddenly leave St Pete a few days ago. He came back to Dubai with a black eye. I don't believe his "skating accident" and "visa problem" story. ;))

I also dabble in the dating sites - but it takes up a hell of a lot of time (I'm doing some Dubai dating internet work currently -narrowed it down to a nice Russian and a keen Filipino, from many possible dates). Yes, the responses are usually good, but as you know, it can be hit and miss. But if they are offering to stay at your hotel (especially in their underwear ;), well that's surely a good sign. Of course they won't mention money, but they will expect something (at least gifts, and probably some "spending money").

I had success last year in Amsterdam with a gal who travelled from Paris to stay with me for the adventure and some gifts and the train fare. Good fun memories with a 20 y.o non-pro student. Now she wants to come to Dubai. Beware the baggage!

This is what i am talking about. Thanks for your input. Your mention about it taking a lot of time can be valid but I have got it down to 3 emails then I ask them to stay with me and they agree. Od corse I will buy them food and some small gifts if they are nice to me but these girls come from poor areas and it does not take much to make them happy compared toa Moscow stripper LOL.

[Blastoff]

Blastoff,

Arranging girls via chat rooms is what most of us (including me) did. It’s hit and miss…As long as she lives in Moscow, it’s an adventurous way to find freebies. Arrange 2-3 girls, have a drink or late lunch (luckily most of them only eat salads or fruits), if you like each others, take her out at night and probably get laid at the second date (worst case scenario).

When you find a girl from a club/bar/tochka/internet; and don’t like her or don’t really find what you expect on sex than you only send her back. BUT, what are you gone do if you don’t like the girl you sponsor.

Besides how can you believe her that she really lives in another city. She speaks English and has access to Internet. If she is clever enough, she can easily arrange couples of guys for free summer holiday in Moscow. All she has to do is play the innocent country girl trick. I know it because it happened to me.

She will expect you to take her to fancy and popular clubs and shopping; breakfast-lunch-dinner is gone be pricey. Why do you bother yourself for sponsoring? Of course it’s your money, and none of my business; BUT as I understand this will be your first time in Moscow.

I humble think that sponsoring girls will definitely limits you and will cost you more.

Thanks for your comments. Sponsoring is not a word I am familiar with. I do NOT intend to send them money if that s what you are suggesting. The way to get rid of them if I don't like them in bed is this as I have done this in other countries. Firstly I buy her the ticket so she can come from where she is in the country to Moscow and mail it to her at her country address. This removes the possibility that if I send her cash for the ticket, she will not come and proves that she does live out of town. Secondly if I don't like her I either tell her so and send her back right away as the bus ticket is cheap or if she won't go for any reason, I move hotels and she won't find me. This is what I have done in SA before with success. Just my view.

[Blastoff]

Although Big Bro's concerns are valid, I'm not quite as suspicious as he is of the girl's intentions, but you should be careful.

As internet is one of my primary sources of new talent and most girls are fairly honest, I'm not quite as suspicious as I dont think they necessarily are coming to haul in the mother lode, but I am sure they would be very disappointed if they got "nothing but cuddles" out of it.

I also think that it would only be decent to reward them somehow, as it is quite an effort for a girl to ride a shitty bus across Russia (provided they even accept this as a legit mode of transport to meet their prince), take holiday from work or school, explain to her family and friends why and how she is going to Moscow, not to mention the latent anxiety of meeting a complete stranger and having to stay with him. I also assume that the girls, at least if they are smart, have a plan B in case you turn out to be a psycho. :)

Especially if they are really innocent girls as you suggest, a fair but not overdone "reward" would be very decent.

If she looks "polished" in her internet profile... nice hair, nice clothes etc. or shows pictures of herself on holiday in Turkey or whereever, you can almost be guaranteed that she has a sponsor and probably expects a bit more than the more plain student types would. Its still not a bad idea, but there really is the question of what do you do with her if she arrives and you dont like her? Just kicking her out on the street might sound great in theory, but you may then be surprised to find out how many "brothers" and "friends" in Moscow she suddenly has.

I'd still give it a go, for sure, but really dont overschedule. I dont know how long you are planning to stay, but bussing in new girls every second day is a bit much. Remember that Moscow nightlife is an energy vampire and although you may want to spend all your nights and days in the comfort of your hotel bed with your internet maiden, I am sure the girls are going to want to go out and see the town... and its restaurants and bars. They may not necessarily want "to paint the town red" (after all it is already red) but I am sure they expect some fun. If you arent careful, you could find yourself utterly drained and desperately wanting a break, even as you drive to the bus station to pick up Olga #3... :)

Good point. I plan to stay around one month so I will have time to experience all the different modes of mongering in that time frame. This is an idea that I feel will work and if the girl I don't like suddenly has brothers in Moscow then I will do a Harry Houdini and disappear to the Ukraine or Latvia for the rest of my stay. I don't intend to be a cheap Charlie and not buy her anything but what I do intend is to buy her things proportionate to how she treats me and her income back home. If she earns $100 a month and I spend $100 on her in 3 or 4 days, she should be happy with that especially if she has not been previously spoilt with foreigners.

[Helena Moscow]

I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.


Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.

[Blastoff]

Since you asked, here's how I did it last time. (Not in Moscow, but you've got me thinking about doing it for Moscow also). Very effective and efficient method. No time-wasting chat-rooms, no hours of "seduction" emailing back and forth. I simply put an ad on expatriates.com (Dubai section) which said something like this:
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Free Trip to Amsterdam.

Married guy, late 30s [okay, I lied about my age!], travelling to Amsterdam for one week next month. I'm looking for a discrete and adventurous woman to join me for fun, adventure and intimate times. I'm professional, okay looking, fit and healthy, adventurous, and fun. Will be staying in a 5-star hotel, enjoying the sights and nightlife. Come and join me! email me at xxxxx
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My plan was to bring a gal from Dubai (if I could find a suitable one), but I ended up with about 20 replies from all over the world. I settled on a Paris-born-and-bred student with an Arabic background. We only exhanged about 6 emails each over a few weeks. She politely backed out a few days before we were supposed to meet, which was fine by me. But when I arrived, I sent her an email telling her I'd arrived, and if she changed her mind, to let me know. She emailed me her phone number, we chatted about 10 minutes, and she hopped on the first train to Amsterdam. Try placing an ad.

PS - here she is.

I think a news paper add is an excellent option and an addition to the method I suggested. I will definitely do that as well to see the reaction, in fact I may arrange an add in the Moscow Ex-pat English papers soon advising the girls I will be in Moscow June and July and see what kind of reaction I get. Can some one tell me the name of the main ex-pat paper in Moscow please. I will keep you posted o the results.

[Blastoff]

I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.

You have misunderstood me. I would NEVER leave them on the street. Even if I hated them from the first meeting I would still pay for there trip home and give them some money. Hope that clears this up.

[Blastoff]

Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.


I hear what you are saying but there are always more than two sides to an argument. You are suggesting that all these girls are young and innocent with good morals. I am suggesting that just as many of these girls are scammers and will lie and cheat me if they can as there are good ones amongst them.

Most of them are lying to me from the start when I ask them about there past relationships etc. I have an excellent bull shit metre built into me and can ell liars easily.

Who knows that if I or other mongers meet a genuine girl who is who she says she is and can fall in love for the right reasons and not only for money as many girls look at us like we are only walking automatic teller machines which they can withdraw money out of all the time thus treating us like dumb ass idiots, we may just fall in love with the right girl. Time will tell but in my 20 year experience around the world, most girls I have met lied to me about themselves and their life history. I hope I do meet a genuine and serious girl as you are suggesting in my endeavours in Russia.

[Helena Moscow]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:




"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

In most cases if they say so, they still hope. And I think the best way is to find balance: be romantic enough (simple pleasant behavior will suit) and at the same time not make any hooks for future (no hints on marrige, children and so on... you are just having fun today, it's great, but who knows what will happen later... life is hard to predict, let's enjoy the moment). Problems start when you promise too much of what you can't do =))))

[Blastoff]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:




"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

In most cases if they say so, they still hope. And I think the best way is to find balance: be romantic enough (simple pleasant behavior will suit) and at the same time not make any hooks for future (no hints on marrige, children and so on... you are just having fun today, it's great, but who knows what will happen later... life is hard to predict, let's enjoy the moment). Problems start when you promise too much of what you can't do =))))

Yes I agree fully. The problem lays with the fact that so far all my internet chat girls say they are looking for marriage and children in the first or second email. It is hard for me to say NO as it would defeat the purpose but I do use your methods of romance and say things like, "Time will tell and It's up to God what will come out of this " etc. All of this is true in fact as I was once married for 10 years so the possibility is still there. It is just unlikely that's all

[CharlieH]

Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.I'm in agreement with Helena.

On my first trip to Russia, I met a girl that I "met" on a marriage site. I slept with her a couple times then I quickly got tired of her because there were so many stunningly beautiful girls around and I didn't have enough time to chase them. Keep in mind that it was my first ever trip to Russia so my resistence level was low, I was like a kid in a candy store. Anyhow I do think that she was a nice enough girl. I didn't know her situation very well but I knew (in hindsight only, I wasn't thinking at all at the time) she wanted to get out of her situation and I was probably her only way out. Long story short I saw her again in a hospital a few days later after I had stopped seeing her. It was obvious even to a dumb ass like me that she had been crying and she was heartbroken. I felt guilty. I lied to her in our emails that I was looking for marriage, I continued to lead her to believe that when I was in Russia, I slep with her than dumped her for other girls. I broke her heart and I shattered the last hope she had. She was so happy when we first met in person. I guess at first she didn't believe that I'd show up and I guess she liked what she saw and I treated her fairly well. I could see in her eyes that she was so happy to meet me and she liked me so much. Both her and her friend thought she hit the jackpot. I then dumped her shortly after. I guess they were both sadly mistaken about me. I was an asshole and a liar. In normal dating, you win some and you lose some. Sometimes people get hurt. But in this case I lied to her, I took advantage of her situation. Although I never promised her anything either in the mails or in person, I did lead her to believe that I was looking for love. I don't know how she's doing now. But I always feel bad about what I did. I would like to ask people monger with care and responsibility in Russia. Some of the girls live in dire situation and are sincerely looking for a knight in shining armor to save them, they're not out to cheat or use us for money. They just want to meet a decent guy that can make their lives a little better, at least it was the case of my girl. Since then I stopped using marriage sites and stopped telling girls that I was looking for a relationship or love. I simply tell them I like to travel and I'm simply a vistor (either in peron or on dating sites). That probably hurts my chance a great deal but I still had a lot of fun especially that I could live with myself. I was honest and I still had a ton of fun. It's so easy to get laid in Russia, there's no need to lie. Some of the girls really have high hopes and are putting their future on the foreigners they meet online. Just remember there's karma.

[CA Traveler]

bbaj... If Marty returns this will not be his first venture to try to steal the CF/boarhouse mystic... He opened another club a couple of years ago, as I recall, but it never did too much. However, if CF closes it may have an opening.

bo... I appreciate your enthusiasm about the internet and bringing girls to Moscow, but you would do well to listen to doc and others. A new girl every other day or so is a killer. Moscow is a whole new world for both you and, maybe, your 'girl'. If she has not been to Moscow you will have to do the tourist thing, which is not bad the first couple of times you do it, but gets very old after awhile. Besides the dead guy is only open in the morning on some days and closed other days. :)

More importantly, my experience with bringing girls in for longer periods is a real mixed bag... it is a gamble whether you will get along and have the chemistry to make it happen for you and at the same time that she will be what you expected or you what she expects. On top of that, I don't think you realize what you are asking for a girl to spend as long as two days on a stinking bus to come visit you for a couple of days. Something doesn't compute with that on the girl's part...

Besides, I doubt that you would want to be with her after she has spent two nights on a bus bouncing her way to Moscow. Even a train is a long trip, but I suggest that you consider limiting your radius of searches to a reasonable distance from Moscow.

Quite frankly, I think you are falling in the seductive trap of over planning your trip. If you schedule every minute of your time with internet friends, what happens if you really like one of them and another Elena is on the bus headed your way? What happens if you get sick of her and just want to have a beer and soak up Moscow? I can tell you from personal experience that it is a real downer to tell a girl that you don't like her after an hour and then try to put her back on a plane/train/bus/automobile!

Not only that, but you must allow yourself time and energy to find the bus/train station, each RU city's trains/buses may arrive at a different station, then fighting traffic to get there and back to your flat, then doing the same thing to take her back and then to pick up a new girl. Believe me it is much easier to plan than to accomplish... especially if you don't speak Russian and know Moscow! As a start, I suggest you find out how many train stations there are and where they are located in the city... I promise you they are spread out all over the city... the bus stations are probably worse!

Chances are that some of these girls will be scammers and some will be VERY nice girls who are just looking for a better life with a good man. The scammers can easily be discarded but the nice girls are difficult, at least for me, to deal with because they are playing by what they think the rules are and then the door is slammed in their face because a new Elena is arriving.

At the same time, just because you've invited them for two days doesn't mean that they think that they will have to leave in two days... Their expectations may be totally different than yours.

On top of all of that, I suggest to you that an overplanned trip will quickly fall apart because you'll soon find that there is so much in Moscow to be absorbed that you'll regret not being able to experience it all while you are there! I've done exactly the same thing, and it is fun while you plan your trip, but when your feet hit the ground everything changes and you will be pulled in many directions, quite willingly I imagine. Take this for what it is worth... Don't be disappointed if your plans go to shit shortly after you arrive... That is what Moscow is all about and go with the flow and enjoy the ride!

One last comment, and I don't want to burst your bubble of enthusiasm, when you wire money to any girl... write it off! Don't fret if she doesn't show up... count it as a gift as soon as you give Western Union the cash. Also, don't count on having to just pay the girl for the bus/train ticket... on a long trip she must buy her food along the way or before she leaves. If you send her exact change, don't count on a happy camper when she arrives... IF she arrives. Besides, unless she is totally new to the internet game, don't expect that you being the first.. at anything! Always remember... She may be getting HUNDREDS of new emails every day! And then, unless you are a Brad Pitt look-alike, ask yourself exactly what are you offering to make her drop everything and ride a bus/train for hours/days to meet you?

[CA Traveler]

Apparently, the club Coconuts burned down over Christmas. According to my source, one person died, but the cause has not been determined. I've been told that Doug consulted but didn't have any money in the place although you never really know who's into what in Moscow. Things are never what they seem...

As it was once written about Moscow for non-Moscovites, "The only 'experts' on Moscow are those who have been here for two weeks or twenty years!"

[Big Bro AJ]

Helena Moscow,

Thank you for your honest and realistic comments. Woman’s perspective (especially a Russian woman) adds a lot to our conversations. .


Blastoff,

You remind me a friend of mine. He went to Moscow like all the girls were dying to get laid with him. He acted like brick, cause he thought money was enough for the girls. But he forgot that money wasn’t that important. And all he got was his skinny Korean interpreter.

Girls probably know that you are on sex vacation, it doesn’t matter it lasts 1 week or 1 month. I have never been to SA, and don't want to; just watch yourself, Russia and Russian people is unique and doesn’t look like SA.

You really have no clue about the Russian women and their expectations from the normal or look a like relation. I am not talking about pros.

Things are too easy with pro. cause you only borrow her time and friendship for couple of hours or a night. Both sides acting like close friends and we call it GFE, if she is too talented and very very open minded than we call it PSE.

In last 2 years, I have met hundreds of girl from Russia, Belarus, Moldavia and Ukraine. I am a sex addict and damn I am good at it. But in last 5 moths I have a serious relation with a Moldavian girl. She is 24 years old but she is a mamushka. Once I was her customer; now I am her boyfriend. She has 8 girls and 3 of them live with her. So I have a chance to understand them closely. Moldavia or Russia, it doesn’t matter, their view of life and expectations are similar. These girls lived in small towns; most of them are only 20 or 21 years old. Some lost their virginity in their first day at job. They are in adult business but have very strong religious belief. All they want is to save enough money to establish their own business and buy a nice house.

They have a simple life; they are dreaming their prince charming to save them. Most of the time the prince is a foreigner, and his age doesn't matter. A warm hug or a kiss, a nice dinner or a simple gift make them feel important for you. If she feels secure and important for you than she truly dedicates herself.

You are dreaming that you are gone present a life that a small town girl never have a chance to live and in return she jumps on your bed. WOW…why don’t we think about it before?

I don’t envy you or try to start a fight but I believe your approach to Russian girls is wrong. I thought mongering has some un written morality rules.

[Blastoff]

CA Traveler,

I hear and take on board what your are saying thanks. This is not my first mongering trip or my first trip to Europe, only my first trip to Moscow. Same dog different fleas as they say.

Regarding my over planning, I think you misinterpreted my intention in starting this thread. It is to share my current experiences with Russian girls and to listen to veterans like you and absorb. I have no doubts that I will be swept along with the flow of Moscow and yes I don't want to get stuck with the “Olga from hell” for a week but it has never and will never happen to me because I will make it go away one way or an other if I have to. ;)

I don't intend to have 10 girls in 20 days turn up to my hotel even though my earlier comments may have sounded a bit like that. I am suggesting that this method is an alternative to the other forms of mongering available in Russia. I will certainly partake in mongering on all levels while I am in Moscow regardless of the cost, I just don't want to leave any stone unturned because life is all about experiences and I have always been an "outside the square" thinker.

Thanks again for your comments and you help.

[Piper1]

Well Blastoff, you asked for a discussion on your plan, and you got one. Interesting points being made; the key points being: don't overdo it (have some breathing space), and don't lead the gals astray with promises of a long relationship. If you are honest with them about your intentions you will lose a few of your potential visitors, but the ones who do come to stay for the mini-vacation and adventure will be more comfortable with you.

I still think it's a good plan.

Who knows? You may just end up falling for one of the gals, and leaving Moscow a married man! A few years down the track, there will be the patter of little Victor and Anya Blastov. ;)

cheers

Piper

PS - let us know how it pans out

[Blastoff]

This is true, you have about summed up most of the comments here. I will take them all on board.

No matter what country I travel to, romance NEVER goes a stray. It always helps set the mood whether the girl is a hardened prop or new at all this, if I am kind to them and sweet and listen to what they have to say, it goes miles for me. Charm is VERY important and I have dated Russian girls and other EE girls here in my own country so I do have a good idea of there expectations.

Thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread, I am sure it has been a great help to others not only to me.

[Helena Moscow]

I hear what you are saying but there are always more than two sides to an argument. You are suggesting that all these girls are young and innocent with good morals. I am suggesting that just as many of these girls are scammers and will lie and cheat me if they can as there are good ones amongst them.

Most of them are lying to me from the start when I ask them about there past relationships etc. I have an excellent bull shit metre built into me and can ell liars easily.

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I don't say that all of them are innocent, but some of them are. And they can be seriously hurt by such an attitude. I know that some girls are liars. There are enough monsters among everybody. But for what reason become one of them? I mean, if the girl speaks she needs serious relationships, better believe her, because she may tell you the truth, even if it doesn't look so. Probably what you call shit metre is just paranoya, because you are angry for those who cheated you before? In any case, it's better to find those who initially agrees for your conditions and not cheat those who doesn't. You will always find company in Moscow, don't worry, there's no chance here for you to stay alone. We have much more girls then guys. And we like fun-loving men, especially when they are honest =))

[Helena Moscow]

I think a news paper add is an excellent option and an addition to the method I suggested. I will definitely do that as well to see the reaction, in fact I may arrange an add in the Moscow Ex-pat English papers soon advising the girls I will be in Moscow June and July and see what kind of reaction I get. Can some one tell me the name of the main ex-pat paper in Moscow please. I will keep you posted o the results.


For such purpose "Exile" will be perfect and inexpensive =)) Also can try "Moscow Courier", but it's not so funny as the first one. "Moscow Times" and "Moscow Tribune" absolutely serious.

Tel. of "Exile" 795-33-76. They speak English.

[Lover]

Privet to all readers!

I read all disscussion on this topic including posts from Blastoff and Helena and tend to agree more with Helena even though I understood Blastoff points clearly because in couple of weeks I am going to visit Russia and have a lot of fun.

But, I am planning in no way to give anybody idea that I am looking for something serious. I am speaking Russian and on russian dating website I placed my profile and get some responses.

I let girls know that I am traveling for a few weeks and I am no looking for anything serious and just would like to have fun.

There is no mention sex free or paid. I will travel outside of Moscow in some places for personal interest and I already figured out 3 girls in those sities: two of them already gave to me their phone # and I expect the last one to follow soon.

I will be happy just to have somebody to hang with in their native places, be happy and if their is no sex not a problem I will find it because in Russia it is not a problem.

I do not have any connection with girls in Moscow yet because I decided to concentrate on proffesionals there or semiprof.

Yes to pretty, smart russian girls
Yes to parties
Yes to happiness
Yes to great sex
Yes to great conversations
Yes to great memories

No to lies
No to hurt feelings
No to sex slaves
No to morning headaches
No to something I will regret rest of my life.

Lover

[Blastoff]

Helena Moscow

Your right in that I should and will seperate the honest and innocent girls from the ones who want to enjoy my company for a short time.

[Blastoff]

For such purpose "Exile" will be perfect and inexpensive =)) Also can try "Moscow Courier", but it's not so funny as the first one. "Moscow Times" and "Moscow Tribune" absolutely serious.

Tel. of "Exile" 795-33-76. They speak English.

Great info. I do not know you yet but I presume from the way you write that you are a Muscovite and may be a female also. Am I right?

[Blastoff]

Privet to all readers!

I read all disscussion on this topic including posts from Blastoff and Helena and tend to agree more with Helena even though I understood Blastoff points clearly because in couple of weeks I am going to visit Russia and have a lot of fun.

But, I am planning in no way to give anybody idea that I am looking for something serious. I am speaking Russian and on russian dating website I placed my profile and get some responses.

I let girls know that I am traveling for a few weeks and I am no looking for anything serious and just would like to have fun.

There is no mention sex free or paid. I will travel outside of Moscow in some places for personal interest and I already figured out 3 girls in those sities: two of them already gave to me their phone # and I expect the last one to follow soon.

I will be happy just to have somebody to hang with in their native places, be happy and if their is no sex not a problem I will find it because in Russia it is not a problem.

I do not have any connection with girls in Moscow yet because I decided to concentrate on proffesionals there or semiprof.

Yes to pretty, smart russian girls
Yes to parties
Yes to happiness
Yes to great sex
Yes to great conversations
Yes to great memories

No to lies
No to hurt feelings
No to sex slaves
No to morning headaches
No to something I will regret rest of my life.

Lover

Good for you and I hope you have a wonderful trip. I look forward to your report when you return.

One thing I think that you may be overlooking is that no matter how clear you are with a woman that you only want some fun, if she likes you, she will hope for more from your relationship and there is nothing you can do about it. Your clear and honest words will not stop her from falling for you. This is the same in all countries and same with all women. They tend to fabricate a relationship or a strong hope for a relationship in their minds and hearts no matter how clear you have been with them to the contrary, so no matter what, when dealing with regular girls, you WILL hurt their feelings in the end when your relationship ends be it 1 week or one year later.

Best regards

[Doctor_Skank]

Lover:

Well besides making me almost retch with your syrupy plaedoyer to the goodness of men, you did bring up an interesting question.

If you are going to be dating several Russian girls and having casual "meaningless" sex with them sooner or later you are going to stomp on somebody's heart, whether you intend to or not. That just comes with the territory. Some girls just take sex very seriously. As for regretting it for the rest of your life, your only hope is to drown your sorrows in the arms of another one.

Just my two cents.

Blastoff:

So you finally figured out the Helena is a girl and from Moscow? What did you think she was, a transvestite from Himki? She's also a businesswomen and can arrange a girl or three for you.

You really need to RTFF.... again, just my two cents.

Damnit, that's four cents already.

[Helena Moscow]

Great info. I do not know you yet but I presume from the way you write that you are a Muscovite and may be a female also. Am I right?

Right. Muscovite, female...

[Lover]

I am sorry guys but I think I did not explain myself clearly.

I am not perfect and I understand that when two people involved everything possible and I do not have as much experience as some of you.

It is very possible that it will not go to direction that I would like to but I am talking about that from the start I will not lie to girls that I am looking for somebody to get married and for love of my life etc.

I am polite and not stupid enough to offer to her to go to bed right away but I do not give any ideas about possible long time relationships.

When two people have chemistry which is happens sometimes I would assume it can be difficult to say goodbay and I guess it can happen to girl in Russia easier because we are as western guys have more often buying power, we polite, clean, and often associated with prince on a white horse who can take girl away.

Most russian girls probably read book by famous write Alex Green "Alie Parusa" (or at least seen movie) as one rich young man coming and take girl away in fair tale place.

There is many of girls who always remember about it but I just would like them to remember me as funny guy with whom they had a great time.

Lover

[Blastoff]

Doctor_Skank

So you finally figured out the Helena is a girl and from Moscow? What did you think she was, a transvestite from Himki? She's also a businesswomen and can arrange a girl or three for you.

Blastoff

I think I would like some of what ever you are on today as you seem in a high mood LOL.

As I have been on this Moscow site for a total of under 2 weeks, forgive me for not knowing every member/poster in detail.

I can only pray that when I grow up I will be a wise as you are.;)

P.S. I have started my basic Russian course today.

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff:

No harm no foul, I was just commenting that reading the older posts of the forum... or at least the "reports of distinction", will often answer many of your questions. Generally speaking, much of which is enquired about on ISG has already been answered a dozen times. Helena_M can also be found in the classified ads section. We are glad the Helena offers her female insight to our humble gang of sex-hungry men.

Learning Russian? That's great... even the basics can vastly improve your experience.

[Blastoff]

Blastoff:

No harm no foul, I was just commenting that reading the older posts of the forum... or at least the "reports of distinction", will often answer many of your questions. Generally speaking, much of which is enquired about on ISG has already been answered a dozen times. Helena_M can also be found in the classified ads section. We are glad the Helena offers her female insight to our humble gang of sex-hungry men.

Learning Russian? That's great... even the basics can vastly improve your experience.

I was just playing a bit of fun back at you. No offence taken. I am a fun loving guy also and can take as good as I give when it comes to kidding around.

Your comments and opinions are always welcome and appreciated.

[It Travel]

dear friends,

as i told you before i was trying to get some girls sponsored via www.omen.ru. just a different way of getting some nice gfe i was supposing. so i met (via icq and mail) some interesting girls, most of them sending pictures, and getting interesting chat on icq.
finally i chose (for a weekend) iriska (irina) real name. a black haired (not natural) 175 cm normal bodied 22 y.o.
i met in a bar also a chubby blondinka, 20 y.o. which would be perfect for really heavy sex (like fantasies on anal [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)!)… so soft and still hard with very long blonde hair and a piggy face. i had even contacts with a 18 y.o. with incredible tits… but i will go for them next time

the only thing iriska made clear from once was no anal. no anal at all. that was a pity but ok… we agreed on 650 euros (three nights and two days).

what have i to say… the food and extras she wanted was really low cost! some skating. some food, she was eating very little (but drinking!) and i got here some nice lingerie from italy for 60 euros, so totally i think that the expenses was around 800 euros approx what is going for a same level overnighter. but i had no stress in theft (i had copies of passport, and she was regularly registered in the hotel) we were going around by the way skating at gorki park.

the best was sex. despite no anal and no pron pictures (ad she said), the girl was willing and open. she said she had no sex for one month (?!?) and with normal fucking on the evenings and mornings (some daytime too) i felt she was enjoying it in some manner.

the best in any case was the first evening…

she was so kind that she even got a little permanent make up.. an go allergic!

we met in the lobby and we had agreed that she will check in and i showed her the room, a suite with an office and a bedroom… i usually take it for working on ground there is fax, printer pc, fast internet safe etc (lux suite at izmailovo delta).

so we took some aperitif. i was not drinking much, she took a couple of big glass full with martini bianco. then it was the time for dinner. as a lot of russian girls go for sushi… then it cames out that they do not like it… so i got it. during the waiting time (the little sushi restaurant in the lobby of izmailovo is a good quality/price compromise, always fresh in any case). iriska was going on with 200 grams of vodka and sok as usual… she was a little shy. i held me to beer.

then we went up and she drunk approx some more shots of vodka (i had a full stoked fridge).

we had nice sex for a while she was making good bbbj. at the end she asked me if i wanted cim… of course!

so she started sucking like a vacuum cleaner and i was holding firmly her head and finally she did not got a cim but a real sci (stomach cum injection), impossible not to swallow! just gave me a smile and then started again with martini.

from that first sex every one ended with a bbbj with cim (i like it too much) and a couple of swallowing, mostly she was going to the bath and then taking a drink…

but the first evening she was drinking a little bit too much so she quickly fell asleep, drunk. i was thinking to take naked shots on her, but i did not…

after a wile i was still awake and horny, and she was sleeping. so i started to touch her.. she became immediately wet, very wet and just rolling in the bed… when i got inside her she waked up… she was still a little bit drunk, but very excited… swollen lips, dripping pussy, hard clito and erected nipples… if she was simulating she needs an award! we started a really heavy fuck in all position and after a while i asked for a cof… and she answered if you like… so it was done and photographed.. but she was very angry no more porn photos… ok i said!

in the photo section you will see some pics of irinka. no privacy problems on ground she have openly advertised on internet with her real face…

finally a positive experience (nice gfe) with at least 9-10, i do not remember now, cims, a lot of fucking and one cof. but a three night program with all the day fucking is a little bit too much, next time i will go for a two nights.

pictures in the pics section.

[Big Bro AJ]

It Travel,

Hail the chief….

How come you agreed on no Greek.

[Doctor_Skank]

Very cool report on sponsorship!

Its great to read a report about someone trying something other than the standard NF-CF approach or the salons/internet. Thanks for your efforts and the details, not to mention the pictures.

800 € all incl. is probably a good price for 3days/2 nights it seems you certainly "got your sex worth" on the investment.

For that price though I probably would have taken 3 NF/CF or Internet overnighters, which run between 150-300 €/night. Service from your girl was very GFE, but then again variety is the spice of life... :)

Just a question, did you ever enquire what you girl wanted per night? Would she have done all night with you for 150-200 €? Or did you prefer the package deal and not worrying about finding a new girl every night? Especially the business traveller often doesnt have much time to go hunting every night...

[Sergeant Major]

Yo It Travel,

In turkish there is a saying ; "These ways are legitimate to you"

It means do it in your own way, we just admire you :)

[It Travel]

By the way thanks for quick looking!

It was three nights (from Friday to Monday) and two days (Saturday and Sunday)…

I think it was worth the money… Of course as usual some problems… Like no porn photo (except when she was drunk) and a little bit stinking pussy the first day (but she had been sitting in the office and running all the day… I think I will have stinking cock too!).

Yes I agreed for no anal… I’m very sad for that I saw it so tight! Instead of fucking her sleeping… but I suppose she had been awake in pain!

For me the most important in this short agreement was CIM COF and SWALLOWING!!!

By the way the next I want to take up (the blonde chubby) agrees for total sex (including CIM) so let’s see.

It is right that variety is the spice of life… then I get this good rooms (where NF/CF do not want to come in Izmailovo) so I save money other where…

To you Doctor Skank she asks for 6.000 RUR night… but now she cut off her ad from www.omen.ru, so I think she is ok for next month or two. I found out she both has a Visa and a Master Card (?!?) and getting Instalments at 60 USD a month (I do not know for what)…

IT

[Lollo Frollo]

It Traveller,
was all the deal done in Russian?
I mean chatting over the web and the time together in Moscow.

I ask it because the site you used seems to be only in Russian.

is it a problem trying the same experience in English or Italian  (I’m Italian too)
thx by

[Blastoff]

Hope you are all well.

As I have mentioned on this post recently, I am having regular emails contact form around 10 Russian (regular girls LOL) so they say, from different parts of the country but they all seem to email me the same content of their letters which to me, makes for suspicion of an organised scam even though they all claim that I am the ONLY man they write to on the net LOL. The other common denominator is that these girls were all met on www.friendfinder.com. The content of there emails is so similar, I ask for you experienced advice. I have NO intention of sending any one I have not met money for anything, I just want to hear if others have received similar emails and why are ALL these girls so intent on coming to my country for a few weeks first up. When I have said NO to a couple of them and said I will come to them, some have stopped email me.

I am suggesting a visa scam or a money scam where you send money and they don't arrive but as it is the common denominator, please offer your esteemed input.

Thanks


Email Part 1

Today I have seriously thought as well as where it is better to us to meet, I have considered all variants, and
have solved that the best way for our meeting will be if I to you
shall arrive, because it will be better, more cheaply and more
conveniently for you and for me, I have the girlfriend who works in a
travel company, it will help me to legalize all papers very quickly, I have made this decision on that that in Russia very much not safely to be to foreigners, Russia is very complex, dangerous, severe country, here very much do not love foreigners, you can beat in the street, in Russia is a lot of nazis whom go crowds on streets and beat foreign citizens, yesterday I looked news on the TV and there have told, that some young men have attacked foreign family, they very strongly them have beaten, and have made it some wounds by a knife, all family now is in hospital in a grave condition, I was very strongly upset by these news, I would not want that with you that that happens, I would not want that you came to Moscow, I wish to arrive to you, in your country it is very safe, I think to us there it will be better!!!!!!!!!! What do you think of it???????????

Email Part 2

Today I have decided to
descend to the girlfriend who works in a travel company and all from
it{her} to learn, the girlfriend has told: That we with it can issue
all over again the tourist visa, it very simply and cheaply, it is not
necessary for this purpose any sanction of your authorities, I simply
shall arrive to you as the tourist, we with the girlfriend have chosen
the longest round, I shall stay at you approximately more than two
weeks, for this time we shall even better get acquainted and then I
think, together we would shall legalize all papers that I could leave
to live to you, the girlfriend has told, that it is the best variant,
it very simply and cheaply, we with it shall legalize all papers very
quickly, for me it is not complex, I very strongly you love, I wish to
be with you as soon as possible, I cannot more wait our meeting, I ask
you Claudio please allow meet as I offer, I assure you, is very good
variant, I shall make all very quickly, with documents of problems
will not be, and at once shall go to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Claudio I have
some savings to me does not suffice 990 $, therefore I ask from you
not all cost of a trip but only a part, I saved these savings some
years, at me very small income therefore I cannot pay all trip, it is
very a shame to me to ask from you money, but at me other output is
not present, I would not have sufficient means that to you to arrive,
I ask you Claudio please help me to arrive to you, I promise you I
shall make of you the happiest man, us will be very good together, it
will be most unforgettable two weeks in our life, I cannot without you
live, I urgently want to you to arrive as soon as possible, only you
can organize our meeting!!!!!!! Let time up to our meeting flies as a
wind and when we shall be together it will stop for ever! I shall wait
from you for the new letter. Sincerely, Yours forever.

[Aunsa]

Hey, funny that you post this.

I had 4 girls, which I met on myspace from the Ukriane, I was trying to make friends for a trip I did a few weeks ago.

Anyway, 3 girls always e-mailed me the same time, all said that they can meet me but can't provide a contact number. All 3 e-mailed me with very similer texts and in perfect english! But, after 5-6 e-mails from each of them, I get an e-mail from each one stating that the agency that use to write these texts of their behalf, their money has run out and that I would need to pay for me to keep receiving e-mails from them!

This is one of them;

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Thank you for the opportunity to write to you again and your sincere interest in me. I feel you become not just a friend for me. More serious feelings are growing inside me. My girlfriends don't understand me. They played tricks on me, when I started to search a friend through the Internet. But the matter is that I am disappointed in Ukrainian men. In our country there is a very difficult economic situation. We have too practical men who think only about money or entertainment. Some of them just drink and don't make any attempt to survive in this life. You can't rely on them. Their behavior is very rude. It hurts me a lot. Certainly, there are good men in our country but, as a rule, they are already engaged. Probably, it's possible to meet the right man in a cafe, cinema, but I have no time and enough money to go somewhere. The only thing I can afford is going to the concerts of classical music.

It occurs to me now, that our correspondence can lead to something more, to more close relations between us. I didn't expect that I would miss your letters so much. I think about you all day long. I imagine how we spend our days off together, we fall asleep and get up together. What do you think of taking a shower with me? I had a dream last night. I saw myself standing in front of the mirror and combing my long hair. I was wearing a light short silk dressing-gown. You came to me from behind, embraced me gently, slowly unfastened my dressing-gown. I felt your passionate kisses on my neck, my cheeks, my lips, my breasts. I remember the taste of your lips, their softness and wetness. It was such a magnificent feeling! They say, if you see yourself in a mirror it means changes in life for better. Maybe it means my new life with you? I hope I didn't scare you away with this phrase. I've dared to tell you that because I want to be absolutely sincere with you and I trust you. I am interested in you. I feel your presence in my heart. Oh, I wish you were here right now! I want simply sit next to you, hold your hand, breathe with you, just love you and give you everything I have, my body and my soul. I'd like to devote my life to you, to our future children. If your desire is still uncertain, I will simply write to you and answer your letters with pleasure.

A lot of love,

Elena.


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This is the e-mails I got after I received 5-6 e-mails from each of the them;

Dear Sir,

We want to inform you that Elena is using our translation and Internet services. Her account has come to the end and she doesn't have funds to continue the correspondence with you. She wants you to know she is still interested in you and in your further communication. If you are also concerned with her we can give you the needed information about our service and prices which are rather small. If you are not interested in the lady we ask you to keep confidential about the given information from Elena.

Best wishes.

Respectfully, Principal of "FT Contact" Vladimir Shulista.

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Seems like a scam to me, so I just stopped e-mailing them! The one that was real, I ended up meeting and planning on seeing her again, so, there are real girls out there, but also people looking to make money from you!

Beware!

[Snowy]

Blastoff

I think you know the answer to your question already. I’m sure you’re a charming conversationalist and quite a catch, but when someone declares their undying love after a few emails you have to be a little suspicious!

Whether it’s an organised scam (which I’m sure it is) or an ad hoc scam isn’t that important, just that it is, undeniably a scam. The reason the emails are similar is either because they are written by the same person (or group of people) or because word has got around that this particular approach has been successful for someone else and therefore is the best approach. There are a whole load of nice touches – play on safety fears, feign embarrassment about asking for money (I liked the bit about having her own savings), address the visa issue through the convenient acquaintance who can take care of these things).

The whole area works on Direct Marketing-esque response rates. They don’t expect everyone they write to to send money, but as long as 1 in 100 (maybe 1 in 1000) falls for it, that’s more than enough. With their overheads so low – log in, copy and paste response, add in the correct name and country – they can send 100s of these a week. The estimates of how much money has been scammed in this way varies, but is invariably in the millions of $s.

Like a lot of Internet scams, you look at them and think, “Who the hell falls for this crap?” but like the Nigerian mining scam or the various inheritance and bank account scams, enough people do to make them worthwhile. There are enough people who are sufficiently greedy/horny/lonely – delete as applicable.

In short, if it walks like a scam, smells like a scam and sounds like a scam…..then it’s probably a scam.

[Certainlee]

Blastoff,

Whoever is writing you these love letters on FriendFinder is scamming you. I also get these unsolicited letters all the time and just delete them but sometimes (just for a spitefeul kick) after an exchange of a few "love letters" back and forth I send my instant Russian "fiancees" down to the local Western Union or Moneygram office to pick up the travel funds that I just "wired". Needless to say they wait, and wait, and wait... (I figure it's like spamming an effing spammer).

Actually, the chances are very good that the author of these girls' love letters actually has a cock and balls at least as large as yours and is using photos of his girlfriend or sister or just a stolen jpeg image to reel in lonely, horny, unsuspecting Western bachelors (I've even read about such Former Soviet Union marriage/relationship scams hitting naive members of the Western gay and lesbian community too).

Check out this web link. I guarantee you'll recognize some familiar FriendFinder profile photos in this "offenders black list":

http://www.agencyscams.com/Photos1.htm

GENTLEMEN, DON'T SEND MONEY!

Live a Good Life, Without Regret and Die with a Smile (or Dyev) on Your Face!

[Blastoff]

Snowy,

Thanks for your comments.

I do more than agree with you.

I will turn this around as I am so good at playing this game and ask her to Western Union HER savings to me and I will add it to my money and send her the ticket hahaha. I will keep up posted on her reaction. LOL

[CA Traveler]

BO... If you work the internet dating sites for as long as I have you soon learn to sniff out scams even before you get these kind of letters. If the letters you get are not really personal and they seem to be canned, you can bet that she either doesn't speak or write English very well and it is easier OR it is all canned and building to a scam.

One of the easiest ways to tell is if you write her and within a hour you have a response with a long flowery letter that would take a native English speaker an hour or more to compose... The words just don't match the music.

ITT... the sponsorship ads on omen.ru can yield some real jewels. I've had girls on the first meeting suggest an overnight for $100, it was two years ago, and I've had girls ask that I bring them a $2,000 Dior handbag from Paris. Many of the girls are from very rich families and they run in very fast and expensive circles, but the parents don't cough up the cash to live the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed... more like addicted. One young girl told me as we sat in my apartment that her parents were wealthy and they refuse to buy her what she wants, but she needs the $2,000 per month so she could have a horse! LOL! :)

At the same time, many of the girls are regular girls who don't want to be considered a "prostitute" but want the good life and they want it now. For the most part, I imagine that most of the girls who ask for $5,000 per month, will get many emails but very few have to worry about providing wiring instructions.

Personally, I think the internet dating sites are great fun with many opportunities. I enjoyed omen.ru when I was in Moscow, but now my favorite is www.luckylovers.net No category for sponsorship though.

[Helena Moscow]

By the way thanks for quick looking!


For me the most important in this short agreement was CIM COF and SWALLOWING!!!

By the way the next I want to take up (the blonde chubby) agrees for total sex (including CIM) so let’s see.

IT

Guys, for a long time I planned to ask... now I finally have enough courage =)))) CIM is no doubt a pleasant staff, but. For this you have to insert your precious dick directly in the unknown girl's mouth without any protection. Aren't you scared? Just imagine, if she agreed for this with you after a small discuccion, she does the same way with everyone... Had I a penis, I'd be more careful... or may be I think so because I don't have it?..

[Cruiser D]

Good advice CaT, you left out about the canned email in reply that never answer any of the questions you asked.

I always like to keep it short and simple. I usually email a girl a month before I hit Kiev, give her some basic info, my Ukrainian mobile number and ask for hers. I tell her I will call her when I get to Kiev, separates the chaff from the wheat every time.

Of course then you have to get by the dating for dinner girls or the ones looking to have you pay for their way in the city's most expensive nightclubs. In Kiev my friends and I call this 'wait for me outside Arena'. ;) It is always amazing how a girls attitude changes when she finds out you know the ins and outs of the city better then she does. Some times it changes for the better, some times the worst. It usually brings a twinkle to the eyes of the non p4p girls because they know you are for real.

[Blastoff]

Her latest email.

Greetings ??????, Are so happy as I read on your mail, I cannot wait
about
Once we shall meet, I am very glad, that you care of me so. Claudio
Yes all of you it is exact to me have told, me the same
The girlfriend has told, it to me it has told still when I to it have
arrived
For the first time, but I speak you about other, you have no
Understood me, I once again shall explain all of you: I wish to arrive
To you as the tourist, in agency, in which works of the girlfriend
The organized tourist is approximated in your country and in your city,
duration
These round two weeks, your country, very beautiful and interesting,
Therefore - the big wish to visit your country, therefore many
The companies of travel suit such roundes, the company of travel gives
hotel,
Submission and excursions, I wish to arrive to you in this round, I
shall be
Arrive to you as the usual tourist, with this purpose I do not require
to
Receive the visa, it is necessary for having for me only the passport
for
Travel abroad, such round expenses - 2900 $ but as I to you have told,
I
Have savings 1910 $, I have rescueed them some years, now I am ready
to
Give all of money if only to meet you, I you very urgently love, I
Ready to make everything, that to you to arrive, me not sufficient -
990 $,
I do not know, where is taken this money, I very much want, that you
saw,
Therefore I ask from you the help!!!!!????? ?????? now I think, it
All of you have understood, I once again speak you, that I go to you
As the tourist, probably to tell, that I continue excursion to yours
The country, with this purpose it is not necessary to receive the visa
if I
Has gone to you to live, then I should go to Moscow in embassy of
yours
The country and to ask there the entry visa, but it is absolutely
another, I
Ask from you the help, I know, that it will be the best two weeks from
ours
Life, after them we for ever shall be together, I you very urgently
Love, I can repeat it many times, but I wish to tell to you it in a
Meeting, I wish to kiss you, I wish to capture you, I ask, that you
have helped me
To you to arrive, and I shall make of you the happiest
The man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As to your idea of sending me an old cell phone to cantact me, it would be very good,
I would be very glad, to receive such gift, but in Russia mail and
consequently your phone will not reach me very badly works, I cannot
receive it, between us very big distance and most likely this cargo somewhere
will be lost.
Words cannot describe, how many I love and
Anxiety on you. You are so attractive and so sweet. I love All of you
It is more every day and I shall continue to dî so for other part of
mine
Life. You - my heart, my world, wash all. One thousand words never
Could express quantity of love which I have for you. Ocean never
Could hold tears which I shouted because I demand you. The sky never
Could hold all stars on which I have made desire, a wish, that we
Have met. You my soul mate and my life. I hope, it
You understand true value and greatness of these three simple words-
I love you. All love which I have in my heart for you, should remain
Here for ever. It is interesting, whether can describe Words, how many
I love, and I worry about you. I love All of you more every day and me
Will continue to do so for other part of my life. You - my heart, mine
The world, wash up all. It is interesting, whether you know really, how
many
Strong my emotions are and as I am deep, will concern your love and
yours
Feelings. Honey you are such gentle and special person and you cause
I to feel especial. When I close my eyes at night, is a pity to
I, that you not here. It is a pity to me, that I cannot deeply study
Your eyes also speak you, that you mean the world for me, and love
You - everything, that I wish to make you, really knows, how many
strong
My emotions are and as I am deep, will concern your love and yours
Feelings. Honey you are such gentle and special person and you cause
I to feel especial. Please honey speaks me as it is fast - we shall be
Meet, because right now I am in high expectation to meet you.
The answer soon. I love you with all my heart, and I promise you, that
I
Will always do. Your Love For ever, Marina!!!

My reply to her email.

Mt Dearest Marina,

O.K. I accept what you say and I accept you are coming here soon for 2 weeks. Thank you.

I also have a friend that works in a travel agency here in my country and he has promised me to give me your airplane ticket at a very reduced price so I am asking that you Western Union your money to me but only $1,500 of you money and I shall pay the difference to my friend in the travel agency and I will mail you your airplane ticket.

Please tell me it is o.k. for you and that you will do this soon. Once I receive your next email, I will email you my details for your Western Union money transfer.

Can’t wait to see you.

Lots of love.

Your man

???????

[CA Traveler]

BO.... LOL!!! The sad thing is that some people must fall for this... "just send $1,500 and I'll buy the airplane ticket and mail it to you!" This must be an April Fool's joke... RIGHT???

[Dacian]

Hellena H,

It looks like you may have a point.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/infectionoralsex.htm

But I think that as long as there are no open wound or active sores, the risk should is very low, probably as about par with kissing, but what do I know, I’m not that kind of doctor.

[Helena Moscow]

Dear friends!

I appologise for posting here, there is no special forum for Odessa, but I see that some of you are real experts of this city. This morning I go to Odessa for a couple of days and have some questions.
1. How much should I pay a driver at the airport to get to the city center (is Kempinsky – in the center -?). Is it safe to take a driver right from the street or there are some special taxis which are safer than others?
2. Do you happen to know any cozy inexpensive hotels there in case my client doesn’t appear? I think he is OK, and he paid for the ticket, but theoretically all is possible ;)
3. What sights should I see in Odessa? I am more interested in architecture then clubs and brothels, I guess, you understand why ;)

Thanks a lot for your help.

[Marsh908]

I am looking for a reliable taxi driver for a visit in May.

I do not speak Russian, but I would like to see some sights and do some club hoping, and I would rather have a referal driver.

Any suggestions?

Thanks !

[Doctor_Skank]

Helena,

You need to RTFF (read the f***ing forum) as well, there is a separate forum on Odessa in the Ukraine section and it is chock full of information, about girls, clubs, beaches etc. :) Or maybe you forgot that Odessa is in Ukraine and not Russia?

Here's a link to get you there...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=448857#post448857

Is it a "working" holiday in Odessa? Please don't take your Moscow prices there dear... :)

I suggest taking an apartment, it is cheaper and better than a hotel in almost every way. Please check the Odessa section or contact Ca Traveler, who lives there. Ca_T could certainly help you get off your feet... :)

Pay the driver no more than $20-25 to get you to the center, if memory serves correctly. Its about a 20 minute drive to the center. I suggest you stay near Deribasovskaya, there are plenty of apartments in that area, or hotels as well if you choose that route. The Londonskaya Hotel (is that the Kempinski you are refering to?) is also in the same general area. Staying at the Londonskaya you might be able to even find some customers willing to pay your Moscow rates... :)

Good luck and enjoy Odessa, I'm sure you will!

[Helena Moscow]

Helena,

You need to RTFF (read the f***ing forum) as well, there is a separate forum on Odessa in the Ukraine section and it is chock full of information, about girls, clubs, beaches etc. :) Or maybe you forgot that Odessa is in Ukraine and not Russia?

Here's a link to get you there...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=448857#post448857

Is it a "working" holiday in Odessa? Please don't take your Moscow prices there dear... :)

I suggest taking an apartment, it is cheaper and better than a hotel in almost every way. Please check the Odessa section or contact Ca Traveler, who lives there. Ca_T could certainly help you get off your feet... :)

Pay the driver no more than $20-25 to get you to the center, if memory serves correctly. Its about a 20 minute drive to the center. I suggest you stay near Deribasovskaya, there are plenty of apartments in that area, or hotels as well if you choose that route. The Londonskaya Hotel (is that the Kempinski you are refering to?) is also in the same general area. Staying at the Londonskaya you might be able to even find some customers willing to pay your Moscow rates... :)

Good luck and enjoy Odessa, I'm sure you will!

Oh, thanks a lot, Doctor_Skank!!!! You are right, I totally forgot that I'm no more living in the USSR =))) I still think Odessa belongs to Russia, as well as Ukrain and all our former soviet republics. Of course I'll be paid according to Moscow rates (even better, because I have to fly for my money by plain, it's an additional effort =))). Londonskaya I checked, seems expensive. Hope I'll not have to use any "in case" possibilities and stay with comfort in Kempinsky (sounds trustworthy enough, especially when you don't pay for it out of your own pocket). Now I will go now directly in Ukrain forum to enlarge my knowlage of the place =))))))))))) Also hope they have enough internet cafes in Odessa, from where I can get Ca Traveller for emergency.

[Mephil]

[QUOTE=Blastoff]Her latest email.
Hi Blastoff
I had a Russian girl that was madly in love with me and wanted to come to England to meet.
And just happened to have a travel agent has a friend that could arrange things. For a price.
I told her that I would sort the visa though a friend at the British embassy in Moscow and when I sorted the visa I would send her a e-ticket.
Guess what………I never heard from her again……how to play there game.
mephil

[It Travel]

As usual when I am in Russia I take sometimes my friend Diana/Alisa (her two art’s name) her real is Ludmilla. (she is the older sister of Valentina/Margarita…

Diana: http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27359


Surely she is not the most beautiful you can find on internet, but… she is very responding, nice GFE, allowing nearly everything for a mere 200 USD/ night, some time I bring her presents (like vibrators, strap on, plugs and she start immediately to test them.

When I mean whole night it is approx from 8-9 P.M. in the evening to the breakfast in the morning 10-11 AM (with something from the room service in the night).
Of course she is not a 10… but at least 9 in GFE. She is 156 cm low (not tall!) and has a fabulous popka of 103 cm (personally measured) in which you can introduce a lot of objects… (I like starting dilatations with big plugs!)

On of the best session I had with her was just after the photos… a big cow girl ride with a vibrating anal-plug inserted and I got the control of it! Really nice.

Now she even makes BBBJ (to somebody only).

Next time I will be in Russia I will book her and her lesbis friend (never seen) for a weekend…I will surely be needing at least 6/7 Viagras! At least two shot per hole!

Already this month… next time I’ll try to get some stunner in NF/CF or the Mistery Tramp in Kiev!

[It Travel]

Guys, for a long time I planned to ask... now I finally have enough courage =)))) CIM is no doubt a pleasant staff, but. For this you have to insert your precious dick directly in the unknown girl's mouth without any protection. Aren't you scared? Just imagine, if she agreed for this with you after a small discuccion, she does the same way with everyone... Had I a penis, I'd be more careful... or may be I think so because I don't have it?..

Dear Helena

As proved BBBJ is not so dangerous, of course the girl has to be with no bleeding in gums. Saliva is very effective against every type of viruses and bacteria. Of course not 100% safe… nothing is 100 % safe (only if you do yourself a handjob in front of a TV is 100 % safe!)

It is even quite safe for girls, as proved many times… viruses will be destroyed by the saliva and all the acids in the stomach… And as Iriska did instead of washing your mouth with Listerine (some are doing it) you can even drink a couple of vodkas… surely more fun.

When she was really drunk I was even thinking to make her a vodka-cum cocktail… but perhaps it was a little too much! So I never dit it.

Hello Helena.

IT

[Piper1]

Saliva is very effective against every type of viruses and bacteria. Of course not 100% safe… nothing is 100 % safe


(only if you do yourself a handjob in front of a TV is 100 % safe!)
Not if your wife catches you - especially if you're watching National Geographic! :)

(No, I'm not talking from experience!)

[It Travel]

Not if your wife catches you - especially if you're watching National Geographic! :)

(No, I'm not talking from experience!)

I've no wife... so that is not a problem...

;-)

[Hedonist]

Privet Vsem!

I'm making another pilgrimage back to Moscow. I'll arrive on April 15th and stay until 22nd. I have a grand plan for the first day: a visit to banya Sanduny in the afternoon, dinner at Night Flight, digestive drinks at Safari Lodge and late night partying at Karma Bar.

For the rest of my trip, the plan is simply to sample an improvized mix of salons and clubs. I have been recommended ELIT-tv, Skazku, Fantazii, and 5 Zvezd among other salons. As for clubs, I want to check out Cabaret, Skazka, and Fabrique in addition to Propaganda, Karma Bar, Dirty Dancing and maybe Park Avenue Disco (I heard mixed points of view on PAD).

If you happen to be in Moscow and want to join me for drinks, partying or who'ing please PM me.

[Blastoff]

BO.... LOL!!! The sad thing is that some people must fall for this... "just send $1,500 and I'll buy the airplane ticket and mail it to you!" This must be an April Fool's joke... RIGHT???

No it's not. I am testing her to find out her reply. If she expects me to trust her and send her money, I am turning the tables around to see what her reaction is LOL

[Blastoff]

[QUOTE=Blastoff]Her latest email.
Hi Blastoff
I had a Russian girl that was madly in love with me and wanted to come to England to meet.
And just happened to have a travel agent has a friend that could arrange things. For a price.
I told her that I would sort the visa though a friend at the British embassy in Moscow and when I sorted the visa I would send her a e-ticket.
Guess what………I never heard from her again……how to play there game.
mephil


Just an other example of what to watch our for.

[It Travel]

Privet Vsem!

I'm making another pilgrimage back to Moscow. I'll arrive on April 15th and stay until 22nd. I have a grand plan for the first day: a visit to banya Sanduny in the afternoon, dinner at Night Flight, digestive drinks at Safari Lodge and late night partying at Karma Bar.




I'm not in Moscow in Those days... unfortunately but in any case we expect a long report expecially on Salons... A habit I layed down five six years ago finding easier getting girls on Internet!

Let us know...

IT

[CA Traveler]

helena... Feel free to contact me when you are in ODS. CT

[Etaoin2003]

Anyone have experience with the Hotel President?

[Finskij Paren]

Anyone have experience with the Hotel President?Yeah, I have been there. Security is tighter than virgins vagina. It's hard to get even your male friend inside.

Rooms are nice though, mine had two rooms. Furniture brings back memories from Soviet times.

Overall: it's an experience. But girls are hard to take in.

[Helena Moscow]

helena... Feel free to contact me when you are in ODS. CT


Thanks, already back. Drinking "gorilka" and eating dried fish =)))

[Finskij Paren]

Thanks, already back. Drinking "gorilka" and eating dried fish =)))Hehe, gorilka is good. Taras Bulba is quite nice place for that - affordable and decent food. Where do you usually get gorilka?

[Cruiser D]

Not to be a buzz kill but you are letting out some really bad misinformation here. BBBJ's are a way to get HPV (Human Papiloma Virus) and HSV (Herpes Simplex Virus). In the US the CDC (Center for Disease and Control) has compiled the figures that 1 in 4 US adults has Herpes and 1 in 5 has HPV. Google CDC for a weblink (I think it's cdc.gov). After reading that site you are going to want to live in a plastic bubble.

Personally I do engage in BBBJ's but there are risks associated with it. But at least I am aware what they are.

You can also get STD's from HJ's. The only safe sex is no sex. After that it is just varying degrees of risk.



Dear Helena

As proved BBBJ is not so dangerous, of course the girl has to be with no bleeding in gums. Saliva is very effective against every type of viruses and bacteria. Of course not 100% safe… nothing is 100 % safe (only if you do yourself a handjob in front of a TV is 100 % safe!)

(stuff deleted)

IT

[Blastoff]

I found this web site (I thik it has been posted on this site some where before) and the prices and girls seem great!

Does any one have experience with this site?

http://www.putana.nu/list.php?link=12681

[Big Bro AJ]

No need to discover America again. That is one of the hundred sites; we mentioned couple of times. Some are reliable; some are full of fake pics and brushed pics.

Before you ask these are the other sites we talked about too many times.

www.zna.nu , www.intimcity.ru , www.znakomstva.nu

[Helena Moscow]

Hehe, gorilka is good. Taras Bulba is quite nice place for that - affordable and decent food. Where do you usually get gorilka?

I bought in Odessa duty-free, but I think it's possible to buy in any supermarket, for ex. "Selpo" in Franzuzsky bulvar. "Hortitsa" is really great, especially the one with pepper. Now I discovered that it's also available in Moscow (but all the labels are written in Russian, from Odessa I brought bottles with Ukranean-language labels, which was also fun to read. For Russians Ukranean language sounds very funny =))).

[Dave Carrera]

Does anybody know of someone who could serve as a paid English speaking guide?

I'm traveling with 3 friends to Russia for the first time a the beginning of May, and was hoping we could hire someone with experience in the night scene (clubs, salons, banyas, etc.) so that we can guarantee that we have the best time. We will be staying at the Petro Palace Hotel in SpB and the Park Hyatt in Moscow.

All suggestions appreciated

[Gentleman Travel]

I am delighted to see all the posts here by Helena Moscow and Victoria 2005, and their web-site photos look great, but have any of the guys here actually met them or fucked them? Are they as good as they sound?

[It Travel]

Dear All some more on Sponsoship...

In the pics section you can find both professional and amateur photo of girls wishing to be sponsored… every thing is going on from 3000 to 15000 RUR a day. By the way there are some girls accepting only to be sponsored for longer period. Basically from 1.500 USD/month.

As I told I had three experiences of whom two where interesting (one for three nights, you can se a gorgeous cum shot in pics… I’m talking on Iriska) and one not really concluded only due lack of time..,. but I will come back… I will put also some description.. surely (in my opinion) most of the photos are true… some really home made, some studio made… I prefer the first ones because usually the girl is better than what you see in an amateur photo!

I think I will try again with another girl. I will post her photos in may… Eh Eh I do not want to much competition… she is a former model (not photo model, but for local mode events) aging 22/23, really skinny type and over 180cm!

Of course I will not go for such “sponsored” starting with fake photos… there is even one showing a picture (as it would be hers) of tiffany… the well known internet American model (by the way I like very muck that girl type..).

So I go for home made things…

Doc, Big Bro, CA… and of course all the others.. what is your opionion?

By the way I suppose you have red my last think on Iriska, perhaps not a devil in bed, but finally a nice and not so expensive GFE..

See same days report in photo gallery

IT

[Big Bro AJ]

Doc, Big Bro, CA… and of course all the others.. what is your opionion?



IT,

Doc and CAT are the reel mentors and maestros.

From my humble opinion most of the mongers dream to spend the weekend with a GFE type young Russian girl in minimum cost.

My knowledge is based on my EE girl friend (understand the logic of Russian woman) and my weekend trips to Moscow.

I usually go to Moscow for 38 hours (weekend). Therefore, I don’t want to stick with one girl and one place. Gamble a little ($100 max. in roulette), have nice dinner with friends, party at Rhino and/or MisterXXX, find 1-2 girls from CF or NF or zna.nu or the ones I met in my previous visits, brunch on Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon sex, take the plane and flight back to Istanbul.

My budget is limited. $300 Aeroflot round trip ticket and visa, $100-150 gifts and shopping, $100 gambling, $150-200 lunch, dinner, brunch, $700 girls and strip clubs (sometimes I spent all of it, sometimes $200-300).

Time to time I chat with girls via www.love.mail.ru but sponsorship is hit and miss. Girls may easily abuse you. I want to try once, but I don’t want to be disappointed.

Best in luck,


PS: Next time I would like to meet Diana/Alisa and her bi-girl friends

[It Travel]

Thanks Bro… our tastes are different… for instance gambling is not a thing I do, the same for an evening in Rhino or a strip club, I rather prefer a good dinner in a restaurant for the same price, or some Ikra tasting in my room with friends and vodka (I mean at least three types, and no male friends!!! With some exception of course…)

Diana/Alisa and her friend, the last she was with was a tall chubby one, surely they are not the most beautiful, but if you treat them gently, they will do nearly anything for you, like one riding you wile the other has your balls in her mouth, or different types of sandwiches (I mean with dildos!)… now even COF.
They really lick the clito and kiss you with two tongues… everywhere!

By the way when she wakes up she is always ready for sex in zero time, and the best is taking her anally…. And the very best is, as I said, being fucked cow girl while she has a vibrating anal plug on!

I understand you have timing problems… but by the way why not getting to Romania, you will have more time and, I think, less costs..

IT

[It Travel]

by the way a couple of more things… since a couple of years… perhaps i’m getting older and hornier, my girl choosing is mostly oriented at teens or very early twenties and… most important, anal services… or perhaps duos! i make few exceptions only for very interting ones or new experiences.

in the last times only the sponsored iriska was a no anal… (and another two, a chubby with monstrous tits, and a 18teen making bbbj and cim… photos of both in photo section) but by the way her anus is so tight so it seemed to me that she was a no no anal girl (never did it)… perhaps i will make her an offer… get her a little bit drunk… and slowly slowly with a lot of k jelly… take her up to my balls!

with diana/alisa… you do not have this problem… you can even role play anal [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)! very funny and nice, and then have a dinner with the room service, and the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her again!

as doc (all my respect to him) said we need some variety…

hi and have a nice weekend in moscow!

it

[Big Bro AJ]

I understand you have timing problems… but by the way why not getting to Romania, you will have more time and, I think, less costs..



IT,

I hate Romanian girls more than Greek girls.

I love Moscow.

I am neither a gambler nor a stripper freak; but I enjoy going to strip clubs with my buddies. Besides I have enough Russian type house parties in Istanbul. (Unlimited vodka, wine, bourbon, Russian music and naked Russian girls)

I don’t have financial problems but I prefer to limit my budget cause Moscow has no limits. On the contrary I have time problems. I don’t have much time and don’t want to waste a hour.

I am neither after 9 ish girls nor 10/10 girls. As long as I enjoy her company, it doesn’t matter whether she is 7 or 8.

Greek(anal sex) with girls is another spice in our joyful and sinful adventurous.

[It Travel]

Good for you!

I'm happy for that... I would love to have such party home... :-)
But unfortunately... it's not possible...

I agree with you on not stunner girls... some know they are stunners and just get money ad lay like logs in the bed! like fuking a plastic doll!

By the way for Romania in reality I did not mean Bucharest... in some small cities you can really have really good time... in small clubs at no price.

I have less time problems than you, but more $$$ problems... yah! Not real ones but I have to stay on a budget.

Have a nice weekend... an send us some pics!

IT

PS I'll try to have a lesbian party with Diana/Alisa in a couple of weeks. Then I'll inform you (all) on the new girlfriend she has... I even got to bed with her and her sister (Valentina) but there is only playing, and no lesbian (of course).




IT,

I hate Romanian girls more than Greek girls.

I love Moscow.

I am neither a gambler nor a stripper freak; but I enjoy going to strip clubs with my buddies. Besides I have enough Russian type house parties in Istanbul. (Unlimited vodka, wine, bourbon, Russian music and naked Russian girls)

I don’t have financial problems but I prefer to limit my budget cause Moscow has no limits. On the contrary I have time problems. I don’t have much time and don’t want to waste a hour.

I am neither after 9 ish girls nor 10/10 girls. As long as I enjoy her company, it doesn’t matter whether she is 7 or 8.

Greek(anal sex) with girls is another spice in our joyful and sinful adventurous.

[Ffmbud]

Dear Lollo Frollo.Here you to find girls who speak in English. Really friendly girls. http://www.sweet-dreams.ru and http://www.yourfantasy.ruVictoria,

As much as I enjoyed seeing Katya and she delivered on all services indicated but she definitely wasn't the girl in the photo as you repeated promised, or it was taken perhaps 10 years earlier, because I sure didn't recognize her. It was the same in the previous meeting with Lida. It just sets up false expectations with the bogus photos.

[Big Bro AJ]

I am delighted to see all the posts here by Helena Moscow and Victoria 2005, and their web-site photos look great, but have any of the guys here actually met them or fucked them? Are they as good as they sound?


And you call yourself gentleman....huh

[Helena Moscow]

And you call yourself gentleman....huh


Dear Big Bro ;)
I also took fancy to ISG and enjoy discussion here. But one of the conditions to meet me is a promice not to report about me here or anywhere else. Neither good things nor bad. Taking pictures and videos also impossible. In return I promice not to report about my clients. I believe that it's important to keep names and personal detailes secret. None of my clients never had problem of wrong information going out and interfering their personal lives. There are plenty of girls about who you can find recommendations. And if you need some "quality guarantees" (if in this business such thing is possible in principle - with one man girl can be extremely sexy and with another extremely cold ;))) may be for you it's better idea to call them. Noone is forcing you to call me or Victoria, by the way ;)) That's just the matter of trust and desire. If you want to call me and believe that I'm good in sex, or at least, want to try it, you are welcome!!!! But if you have doubts, it's totally up to you to deside. I don't mind, really.

[Helena Moscow]

Dear Big Bro ;)
I also took fancy to ISG and enjoy discussion here. But one of the conditions to meet me is a promice not to report about me here or anywhere else. Neither good things nor bad....But if you have doubts, it's totally up to you to deside. I don't mind, really.


Sorry, Big Bro, it was addressed to Gentlemen Travel =))))))))) Mistaken...

[Doctor_Skank]

Helena:

"But one of the conditions to meet me is a promice not to report about me here or anywhere else. Neither good things nor bad."

I dont think you understand what this forum is. It is certainly not up to you to dictate who reports what. In fact, it is the very purpose of the forum to report such things. If your clients do follow the agreement and not post info on you, I can respect that. If they do however report on you, they are merely doing other forum members a service. It is entirely legitimate to report if service was good or bad. After all, you charge a lot of money and the paying customer would like to know if you really are as good as you claim to be.

[Excess]

Dear Helena,

I have enjoyed some of your inputs into ISG and they do give a different slant to issues.

I am, and I'm sure most ISG members are gentlemen. With large appetites for sure and the means to pay to satisfy them. The world is an adventure and has often been said - Life is (usually) good.

This site is dedicated to providing first hand information between members about woman, sex, and providing praise where it is due and equally warning where the experience is less than a member wished for.

All the while, it is read with an understanding that in sex as in every other human endeavour your experince in the same situation may vary from others. Neither we or the ladies who enjoy or put up with our company and sponsorship, for whatever reason, are machines that can replicate the same experience on every occasion and with everyone.

We all have Jackson to thank for this site, the information that it provides and the world wide reporting with which to assist in our own travels through this sometimes gray world. Going back in time - we all must salute and thank the ultimate and uber monger - Atta, for creating what is now the ISG through the hard work of his torch bearer, Jackson.

What is disturbing to me, dear Helena, is your demand that should a member ever meet you, that it is conditional on no reporting of any postives or negatives. This is totally against the principles of ISG and would not be acceptable to most members. You may be a lovely creature and one with whom a very enjoyable time could be had. Your own requests would be noted and if acceptable agreed to up front or not; however demands - no sorry.

You should by now realise that demands that no mention be made in ISG are really not on, Helena, and that these comments are what makes this board what it is - concerned with the hunt for pleasure wherever it might lead a member with the guiding hand and assistance of those who have gone before.

I hope that you understand why your demand was unreasonable; is not in keeping with the whole ISG raison d'etre, and yes, frankly, somewhat offensive at least to me.

Please do carry on posting and should you have the good fortune to meet other ISG members such as myself, you should not be surprised if they are unable to meet your demand and choose to just move on.

[Helena Moscow]

Helena:

I dont think you understand what this forum is. It is certainly not up to you to dictate who reports what. In fact, it is the very purpose of the forum to report such things. If your clients do follow the agreement and not post info on you, I can respect that. If they do however report on you, they are merely doing other forum members a service. .


Dear Skank =))
I am aware for what this forum is. And of course, if one my clients breaks the agreement and reports here about me, I’ll be unable to stop him. But I still think that I do have the right to have personal agreements between myself and my clients. It has nothing to do with forum. It’s just between us, two people, who plan to do something and we both want to keep the face no matter what happens. I have enough clients and I can afford to choose them. I choose those who have the same views on this point. If someone doesn’t agree, it’s OK. There are enough other girls.

[Helena Moscow]

Dear Excess =))
Please, read what I wrote for Skank. I am also grateful to Jackson for this forum. It’s very inportant to share information. I am here not for a long time, but I learned a lot, too. When I planned to travel to Odessa, I asked advice here, and it helped me a lot, thanks to everybody, who posted here information about this place, especially to Doctor Skank and CA Traveler. I also try to give some useful information when I have it. Sure, sometimes I’m right, sometimes wrong, and sometimes my replies are nonsense, who is perfect... But I already feel like friends with all forum members. And because of this in some moments I almost regret that I came here as a working girl. When someone from forum asks me about meeting I each time get scared and try to find a pretext to refuse. Because I don’t want to be disposed as a public fucking thing by one of the “friends” in front of others. That’s why I ask my clients not to write about me anything. Sometimes I even think of removing my ad from here, but there are so many of my ads in the net, that even if I remove the one from here, it will not help. If you think that I ask too much of you disagree with my “demands”, please, let’s remain just forum friends. Not everybody has to become my client, really. The same I would like to tell to the rest. Please, guys, if you feel that my request not to write about me and not to take my pictures and video is in a way offends you, just let’s remain forum friends. I never meant to offend you, if I did, sorry.

[Gentleman Travel]

Sorry, Big Bro, it was addressed to Gentlemen Travel =))))))))) Mistaken...Sorry, I did not mean to create a fuss.

I am a newbie on this group and thought this was a normal information request. I didn't think anything was taboo on here! I did not mean to offend anyone, least of all the ladies. Just wanted to confirm that they were legimate and of a certain quality.

[Goldfinger]

Are there really a 1,000 Russian girls in London on http://love.mail.ru ? That is what it looks like. I can't register from London. Could anybody register for me? thanks for any help

[Helena Moscow]

Are there really a 1,000 Russian girls in London on http://love.mail.ru ? That is what it looks like. I can't register from London. Could anybody register for me? thanks for any help


I can ;) Send me details.

[Doctor_Skank]

Goldfinger:

Of course you can register from London, you can register from anywhere. You just arent trying hard enough.

[Big Bro AJ]

Have you got a map for metro at Moscow center ? because i will be near metros Sukharevskaya and Svetnoy Bulvar next 2 weeks.

I hope this will be helpful.

http://www.wtr.ru/moscow/eng/metro/metro.html

[Helena Moscow]

[QUOTE=Victoria2005] Only you always are not happy with service of girls. If to read your previous posts, you as were not happy meetings with girls.
QUOTE]


Sounds funny =))
Guys, I don't know the whole situation about this case. But I'm always really surprised, why you make so much fuss when you find the girl who arrived not beautiful enough for you. There is always a way out. If you don't like the girl, don't fuck her and don't pay - let her go. And next time search girls in clubs, where you can really see them (especially suitable will be strip-clubs, where you can see them nacked). Why have all this fuss with internet if you permanently unhappy with the looks of girls. Let's be realistic. All girls place on adverticements their best pictures. Profeccional portfolio can be very different from the way the same person looks in the real life. The light is different, the hairstyle can be different, the girl can be tired or dressed another way. And of course, the pose will be different. In one pose her body will be smooth like dolphin's skin and in another she will have wrinkles on stomach, which is absolutely normal. Plus the photograph doesn't give you any idea of size. Please, remember about all these facts. These dolls from pictures are real people. Sometimes they can look in the reality even better, sometimes worse, but there will be always some difference between picture and reality. One of the guys wrote here about a girl with saggy tits. I looked on picture - tits were normal, just large. And she wasn't nacked on the photo. So it was easy to suppose that real large tits always hang a little. They never look like cylicon, because they are soft and heavy. They consist of fat, not rubber or iron. And it's easy to suppose that this girl can't be skinny, for example. Because skinny girls can never have naturally bog tits. If a girl is not nacked on the picture and then you discover that under her clothes she is not perfect, it doesn't mean she cheated you. She covered imperfections, which is absolutely normal. It was you who didn't think about it. First you created unreal picture in your mind and then try to compare real person with your fantasy. In most cases fantasy will be better. I don't speak about situations when completely different girl comes, but what I meant to say was: LET'S BE REALISTIC.

[GandJim]

I hope this will be helpful.

http://www.wtr.ru/moscow/eng/metro/metro.html
Also remember that Cyrillic is used in Russia and you need to be able to recognise the name in Cyrillic to leave the metro at the right station. There is another metro map with names in both writing here (http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/MetroMap.html).

Also, here (http://www.gotoru.com/moscow_metro.shtml), you have some useful information on the Moscow metro system, with example how the various information panels look like in Cyrillic (for example for "No entrance", "Exit to the street", "No boarding", etc...).

[Excess]

Helena,

Thank you for your polite apology - fully accepted, and I appreciate your thoughtful reply - while we may not agree on this point, now we move on.

[Banana Finger]

This report actually dates back to early January 2006 - I think my fingers must have only just recovered from the frostbite of -31 degrees.

I spent the best part of a week in the promised land, arriving at the weekend in the middle of the cold snap - it was -31 when I landed in the evening and the daytime temp didnt really get much better than -25. With that in mind I decided the only way to go was strip clubs and incall, the prospect of wandering around in the snow looking for a knocking off shop seemed like a bad idea.

Day 1 - arrived in the evening quite late - AeroExpress into town, checked in and got a cab to Oh-La-La. Arrived at about 12am, the bar area was pretty busy as the front room was too cold for nekkid chicks. Took a seat in a corner and let the booty fest begin. OLL didnt disappoint, had about a dozen lap dances in total including about 4 from girls who I had met/fucked previously, who remembered me and made a great play of the fact (GFE types) - girls who know that you are there to fuck and not just get off on 100R dances definitely try harder. Once again I had decided who I wanted but got taken in by Anastasia who I fucked on my previous visit - she went for the same routine as last time, came over and lap danced for about 15 minutes, made sure I was rock hard then asked if I wanted sex. Couldnt really say no as she knows how to float my boat, $150 and off to the room. The room was pretty scummy and the bed filthy really, but we're her for the action not the decor I guess. Took a shower and A did a dance in the shower doorway whilst I washed, off to the bed, CBJ (I do like the way she sucks cock!) and a variety of positions, the best being mish with her crazy long legs together over my shoulders, a good opening session - I went home a happy punter.

Day 2 - That evening I decided to call the recently maligned Kristina at escort-elitegirls. None of the girls I wanted were available so we discussed alternatives, I wanted big tits that evening so we settled on Monica, not really my type but Kristina promises she will do full service for $300 all night. The troll arrived about an hour later, big tits but much chubbier than her pics suggest and showing signs of wear and tear - I really should have sent her back but decided to give it a go. She lit up and raided the mini bar and seemed far more interested in drinking and smoking. She agreed full service but no CIM. Started with a bath together, soapy tit wank and BJ as I sat on the edge of the bath, shes somewhat mechanical but that didnt stop me from unloading on her face/tits. Over to the bed and again she showed little interest - I got sick of her attitude so kicked her chunky ass out shortly afterwords. Called Kristina and told her what happened, she apologised and said she would send someone else over instead, I said no so she says she will make it up for me tomorrow.

Day 3 - Got back late and decided it was far too cold to be adventurous so I called Kristina again and decided to give her another chance. Told her I wanted two girls so she said to leave it to her and she will sort me out. Ana and Katya turn up an hour or so later, both look early/mid 20s, Ana - blonde, 5'7 athletic body, soft skinned, good C cup tits (soft), Katya - brunette, 5'5, curvy without being fat, C tits, very pretty face -nice eyes and great lips. These two were great! We exchanged pleasantries and money $300, and I told them I liked massage and fucking! I had already washed and was in a bathrobe when they turned up so they told me to wait on the bed, they went into the bathroom to do their thing. They came out wearing black slips and turned me on my front and proceeded to give a fantastic 2 girl massage (proper massage -not erotic). They then removed their slips, turned me over and both straddled me and went for the lesbi show, it wasnt full on but enough touching, kissing, fondling and moaning to make me horny as hell! We fucked for the next 3 hours with 2 pops for me in that time - lots of positions, oral was CBJ but both give great head - Katya is particularly good in cowgirl, she goes at it porn style, squatting on her feet rather than on her knees and really gives your cock a good work out - Ana has a great pussy for DATY. When we finished they asked if I wanted them to stay till the morning but I decided to quit whilst I was way ahead!

Day 4 - It was the weekend and the sun was shining but it was still -27 outside, so after having redeemed herself, I called Kristina again in the aftenoon. She said she had some special young girls for me today so i told her to send 2 over for a few hours. Two young blondes show up, Vlada and Maria/Masha, Vlada, early 20s, shoulder length blonde hair, 5'8, pale skinned, good body, c tits, very good english, Maria/Masha - teenage, I would be very surprised if she was more than 19! 5'6, very pert B cup tits, curvacious body, extremely fine long blonde hair, dangerously cute and pretty face - the epitomy of teenage pussy! We had some drinks and Vlada got a bit tipsy rather quickly, we got showered and naked pretty quickly and went down to business. They started with a tame lesbi show with Vlada leading and Maria looking every bit the innocent! Vlada then goes for my cock and CBJ - fuck shes good - I mean proper deep throat action, she has fantastic cock sucking skills -that, combined with the nubile Maria keeping me occupied up top lead me to cut to the chase and cum from the oral. Vlada was acutally disappointed and said that we must make love next time! Round 2 was good long session, fucked them both in all positions for about 1 1/2 hours - Maria has a super tight pussy by the way, and again finished by giving Vlada a 20 min face fuck whilst enjoying the mouth and body of Maria. They left about 10 and went for dinner and an early night. These two were young hot babes but I preferred the experience of Ana and Katya - but a great session nonetheless. I made a mental note to try and get Vlada again by herself if she is available the next time I am in town - a BBBJ from her would be do die for!

Day 5 - Another cold evening, could I make it a hattrick with Kristina? When you are on a roll, you gotta keep rolling I say. Made the call to Kristina, she said she had some more young girls for me but I said I wanted more experienced girls, I asked if Ana was available again, she phoned and checked and agrees to send Ana over with another girl. They arrive about 45 minutes later looking stunning! both are really well dressed and made up and Sveta has model looks, she is tall and very slim (some would say painfully slim!) but has an exquisite face and long flowing black hair, 5'8 with a the most perfect, pert, natural C cup softball tits! you really wouldnt expect a girl that slim to have such great tits! Ana is happy to see me and promises that tonight will be even better! She suggests we all take a bath and they go to get ready, we dim the lights and all climb into the foaming bubble bath. What happens next is a soapy 2 girl extravaganza with CBJ and fucking in cowgirl and doggy in the bath - we then move over to the bed for a proper fuck. Now I dont say this lightly, but the next two hours with these girls was amazing - the fuck of the century as michael douglas would say! Sveta gives fantastic head (CBJ) and has a tight but juicy pussy and did I mention her tits, man they are perfect, and shes so light that you can really fuck her all over the bed and beyond. I only came once in that session but it was a mind blowing cum face fucking Sveta whilst I DFK Ana. Wow.

I didnt manage to fit in any more pussy but had the most memorable time to date on any trip. 3 top drawer girl on girl sessions in a row is some kind of nivarna! My tip to all you non Russian speaking, somewhat lazy punters who visit the promised land on business - get outcalls! its worth paying a bit more than you would in salon or elsewhere if you have the money but not the time.

That said, I realise that theres so much more to moscow punting and I have only scratched the surface - So my question to all you seasoned mongers out there, what do you recommend for the next trip? I have a week in moscow coming up very soon, so do I stick with the online agencies or venture further afield? All recommendations welcome!
As a direct question (aimed in particular at 109-strip club guru!) can you please recommend an alternative to Oh-La-La, I want somewhere that has the 100R dances, doesnt skank you for drink prices and sex is available. In fact, how about a poll? List in order of preference, the strip clubs in Moscow that you have been to, mine would be:

1) Oh La La
2) ???????? still waiting ;)

BananaFinger

[Gentleman Travel]

I am amused and entertained by all the war stories here about trolling for freebies and gifted amateurs. But as a mid-40's guy with no Russian, I always wonder - are these tactics and scenarios realistic for a guy like me?

Surely a lot of the potential for success depends on age, looks, language skills and the size of your bankroll (even freebies must usually cost something)? Or are you saying it all depends on your knowledge of the terrain and technique?

So I wonder if some of the veterans could share a bit of biographical or demographic information? What range of age and physical appearance are we dealing with here?

How easy or difficult is it for a mid-40s professional (English gentleman type)with a nice suit and modest bankroll to score with young lovelies?

[It Travel]

Dear Helena,
sorry for writing but I feel, in someway, I got to do it…

You wrote “One of the guys wrote here about a girl with saggy tits. I looked on picture - tits were normal…” That guy is me. And I wrote this on Valentina, a very nice girl, around 22 y.o. (you will get three fantastic pics enclosed, I mean of the girl with saggy tits). But yes she has saggy tits (not big, 1st), but I enjoy her every time I go to Moscow. She is so nice, so beautiful face, and last but not least she make wonderful anal and incredible GFE; sometimes she even invites me to restaurant!

What I am meaning… this is just a site where we, mongers, try to explaining each other our experiences. I understand your point of view... It is different to go to bed and have sex with a nice 27 y.o., or with a fat and sweaty 65 y.o.! I understand this perfectly and I understand also that the behaviour of a girl can’t be the same with everybody. It is normal and natural.

But here we are speaking on different things, specially for Moscow, like:
a) get robbed and poisoned in bars;
b) girl friendly hotels, and tips to get them in if they are not friendly;
c) bars with a good selection;
d) rip off bars (still a lot every where)
c) cheap places… Salons, Tochkas
and so on. I think I can find 50 items or more…

You might understand that this have nothing to do with a single girl… Of course we write reports,, but usually we write where we found them.
This in an experience exchange… no more no less.

I had experiences with sponsored girls… they advertise, why should I refrain from writing about them and the attitude they have?

Of course that girls will try to cover imperfections… sure we all do this.

The problem is another: when they are telling they are doing something… like anal or BBBJ, and then you find out they are not… or you phone to an agency and get a girl which is not the one you asked for. It happened to me in Ukraine… in an agency and I got the Mistery Tramp (readers will know who I’m speaking on)… but they told me that the girl was different… Dr Skank by the way I was asking for a girl with big tits!!!! And I got her! I think it was nice in any case…

If you do not read a thing like ISG it might be difficult to be laid as you like in Istanbul or in Kisnev, or in small cities… and it will be very easy to be ripped off in Sofia, in Italy generally, or in Germany.

I was at BlueNote in Düsseldorf, a nice place, but you have to be in the German culture to understand, somebody might be offended if sitting in a sauna ad a couple gets in and the girl just starts to suck the other men’s cock, in front of you, so you have a nice voyeur spectacle… but you have to know!

Just a more thing on girls… some time I told that there are girls much better in reality than in photo… curious one is a Russian one, and now she is offering free photo sessions to mongers (on ground she have seen what pics can do…)

I’m sorry but this is my opinion (an I think the one of most the members here) so you do not want that we speak on you… we do not come. And it all..

By the way if you learn to use internet quickly and decently you do not need at all ISG for travel (!!!) of course here you can get infos on hotel bars, girls in hotels, etc, with you do not get on tourist sites, but usually it’s all.

The site is for mongering experience exchanging and, if wanted and agreed also girl (telephone) exchange… and of course girl description… I think that the Mistery Tramp exchange (photos - facts -telephones) is one of my favourite surely she has been Skanked, Mellied, Moored and Travelled… more than once. (one pic enclosed for amateurs!)

How could we get such info if we do not speak on girls… what are we here for? And you Helena what are you here for?

Let us know… it’s just because I’m realistic that I ask you…

IT


PS By the way in the internet photos are often photoshopped and the girls covered, but in strip bars often it is so dark that you can’t even see if your cock is inside or outside your pants!

[Doctor_Skank]

GT:

“I am amused and entertained by all the war stories here about trolling for freebies and gifted amateurs. But as a mid-40's guy with no Russian, I always wonder - are these tactics and scenarios realistic for a guy like me? “

Maybe… Really there is no age limit for success with freebies, but of course a lot does depend on demographics. Things like your language skills, physical appearance, presence/confidence and bankroll do make a difference. A lot of it is knowing your target group. This varies from person to person. If you cant speak Russian, you are already limiting your target group, but it isnt too detrimental.

I for example generally prefer young girls (18-19) who are “mid to upper tier” looks-wise and NOT typical party girls. My favorites are the sweet but sexy types who are looking to have their first adventures, first romance and fun. I seem to click the best with this group. With these girls the key to success is personality and not bankroll. They enjoy fun and adventure just as much as a new pair of panties… nonetheless, an occasional gift is really appreciated. If I like a girl from this group I treat her to an occasional but not “spoiling” gift. I usually give the ones I really like mid-level gifts only after a few meetings, to judge their level of true affection.

Another of my target groups is late 20’s girls who are working mentally and physically draining jobs and need some adventure and sex. They can often be very good looking and very uninhibited sexually. Bankroll somewhat important, but not overly so. They generally like a little romance (dinners) and an occasional gift (perfume etc.), but by no means will it bust your budget and by no means are gifts even necessary… but they do make a good impression. Girls at this age expect a man to be successful, anything less isnt a man worth fucking.

I also occasionally go for the high-octane “elite club” type. This type is very much interested in your money. If you are great-looking, you might score regularly for free, however this type of girl knows her market value and she also knows that she can only survive the club circuit for 5-6 years tops before she is recycled into second-tier clubs and her day is gone. You can manipulate this type very easily with cash and confidence, which is only fair since they are essentially there to manipulate you too. Not my favorite type of girl, although I admit I have met a few gems here too. Not all elite club girls are money-hungry ******.

”How easy or difficult is it for a mid-40s professional (English gentleman type)with a nice suit and modest bankroll to score with young lovelies?”

I wouldn’t say it is easy… actually scoring freebies isn’t that easy for any of us, but if you are confident and resilient you will do so.

Here are a few thoughts.

· Despite what anybody says, scoring freebies in Russia isn’t automatic by any means. You have to get out there on the front lines and fight. I enjoy quoting the SAS creed “Who dares wins”. You will have to approach women, very rarely will they approach you.
· Freebie does mean free. Free however also means “normal dating expenses”. If you expect to get by on $50 daily running cost expenses, stay home or go somewhere else. But don’t think just throwing your money at girls will get you somewhere either. Especially the clever club girls will laughingly lap it up and move on… without you. Remember, unless you are really loaded, your cash can’t compete with Moscow cash.
· You CAN compete with charm, confidence and poise. Girls love successful, confident and manly guys. Its your best weapon. I like to say “presence not presents.”
· Russia and particularly Moscow is loaded with beauty and charming, wonderful women. Be careful that you don’t addict yourself. For me, it is too late. My most recent trip still has left me pleasantly shell-shocked with emotions I thought I’d forgotten how to feel. Thank you Alyona.
· Get into the Moscow spirit. All of the plotting and strategies are great to keep in the back of your mind, but when you are on the ground slugging it out, you’ll have to adjust to the situation. Fire and maneuver. Let Moscow kidnap you.
· Get enough sleep… during the early evening, its essentially down time in Moscow where everybody is commuting back home. It is the worst trawling time IMHO. In my opinion the two greatest potential pitfalls are too much alcohol and lack of sleep. If you are going to drink a lot, make sure it is with a girl that is also drinking… and preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing. But if you are drunk and nobody else is, you won’t be getting a drunken fuck, you’ll be the drunken fuck. And remember that Moscow club life doesn’t begin before midnight and doesn’t end until 5 or 6am.

That said, a well-maintained 40ish gentlemen could do quite well in Moscow. Bring some charm, bring some cash, bring some confidence and stay positive.

And if the freebie game isn’t working, go to a club and pay for sex to take the edge off and get your confidence back. It can help a lot. And even though going home alone can feel like defeat, there really is no shame in not scoring freebies, because there is no guarantee.

[Gentleman Travel]

First, I'd like to say thanks for this good advice (and all the rest in this thread)!


GT:
I for example generally target either young girls (18-19) who are “mid to upper tier” looks-wise and NOT typical party girls. My favorites are the sweet but sexy types who are looking to have their first adventures, first romance and fun. With these girls the key to success is personality and not bankroll. They enjoy fun and adventure just as much as a new pair of panties… nonetheless, an occasional gift is really appreciated. If I like a girl from this group I treat her to an occasional but not “spoiling” gift.

Another of my target groups is late 20’s girls who are working mentally and physically draining jobs and need some adventure and sex. They can often be very good looking and very uninhibited sexually. Another good target group. Bankroll somewhat important, but not overly so. They generally like a little romance (dinners) and an occasional gift (perfume etc.), but by no means will it bust your budget and by no means are gifts even necessary… but they do make a good impression. Girls at this age expect a man to be successful.These really are two target groups that interest me a great deal. It is not the youth that I need (desirable though that is) but the freshness and enthusiasm. And I don't really like paying directly for sex - I have never felt that I got good value - but then maybe I have been shopping in the wrong places! I am happy to spend money on a girl, but I don't want shell out $200 then feel like I am punching a timeclock!

So it is not saving money that interests me, but rather getting something closer to a real girlfriend experience. An enthusiastic "7" is preferable to a calculating "9".

Another piece of advice I liked (I think it was yours) was about buying lingerie for a date, rather than relying on expensive meals. I had a great experience like this with a Ukrainian woman in Toronto of all places! On our first date, over (an expensive) dinner she told me that she had a "stocking fantasy". So the next day I rushed out and bought her a nice pair & garter and sent them to her in thanks for a great date. The second date she brought them along and modelled them for me - and she was stunning and it made her so hot! So I guess good things can happen to old guys!

This experience (not typical in my life so far) along with a trip to Kiev last year really opened my eyes to Ukrainian/Russian women and thus, here I am, trying to learn at the feet of masters.

The other problem is timing. So much of what is discussed here relies on being out all night, but I will have to work (or at least pretend to) during the days. Does anyone have suggestions for daylight (or at least early evening) hunting? I would far rather be buying my prospective partner dinner and anticipating the evening ahead, than dining alone and drinking until the clubs fill up!

Again, thanks,

GT

[CharlieH]

I am amused and entertained by all the war stories here about trolling for freebies and gifted amateurs. But as a mid-40's guy with no Russian, I always wonder - are these tactics and scenarios realistic for a guy like me?

Surely a lot of the potential for success depends on age, looks, language skills and the size of your bankroll (even freebies must usually cost something)? Or are you saying it all depends on your knowledge of the terrain and technique?

So I wonder if some of the veterans could share a bit of biographical or demographic information? What range of age and physical appearance are we dealing with here?I, too, am interested to know the demographics of the mongers here. It would help to have a benchmark and set the right expectations.

I'm no experts like Doc, CAT....but I think that scoring in Russia is earier than where most of us come from. As to how much easier, it would have to depend on one's looks, age, charm, personality, language skills and perhaps bank account. And the better you're in one area, the more you can afford to lack in other areas. It's a total package. It really is like dating in the West, it's just easier. So the younger, better looking you are, the easier it is. On the other hand, if you're more mature and less phisically fit, the more money you need to have. It's all about the value you provide (I'm sure Doc had talked about it before).

I think it's definitely possible for mid-40s gentlemen to score, provided having a decent bank account or as least willingness to spend money in Russia.

I have been reading so many war stories just like GT here. Without knowing the demographics of the mongers here, it's difficult to set the right expectation and know what tactics to use. So for my 2 previous trips to Russia, I basically went without much of a plan and expectations. I tried to see them as cultural adventures before I went because I didn't want to get my hopes too high. In the end I think I fared very well, but then again, I don't know what is considered very well because I don't know the benchmark for my demographic group (younger, but speak no Russian at all).

It'd be nice to know what other mongers' backgrounds are.

[Doctor_Skank]

GT:

Sounds like you have already been bitten by the EE bug...

At 45 you are pushing the envelope for the really young innocent ones, 18 or 19 year old students, as generally they observe fairly normal dating habits and have never dated anyone mor ethan 5 years older than themsleves. I speak from experience, as I am in my mid-30s and occasionally do meet some age resistance as well. That said, EE does play by its own rules and after some initial resistance, the initial caution turns to curiousity and then to fascination as most of the girls warm up to the idea and enjoy the attention of an older and experienced boyfriend or lover. It is a matter of prestige to many girls. You'll find many EE girls on dating sites who will flat out state that they dont want anyone under 25 or even under 30. So you should give it a shot in any case. One big plus in this kind of relationship is that an 18 year old girl doesnt really expect the relationship to last forever, she just really enjoys the ride.

"And I don't really like paying directly for sex"

I often dont want to pay for sex either for emotional reasons, but success with freebie success can go hand in hand with pro sex. I personally really believe that an occasional pro can help keep your confidence levels up. Most pros I have been with perform well, it is me that is the deciding factor on whether or not the evening will be fun. Don't think about the money, just try to enjoy the evening as much as possible and treat the girl like your girlfriend... but the kind of girlfriend every man dreams of, one that does everything you want her to do.

"An enthusiastic "7" is preferable to a calculating "9"."

Of course this is true in both the pro sex and freebie sex worlds, at least in my experience. I really must say though that many 8/9 pros perform well, especially if you approach them with confidence. Many mongers are intimidated by them and let themselves get walked all over. For example with BBBJ and kissing. I almost always get that, I simply insist on it... in a nice yet forceful way. I usually clear this up beforehand and if a girl is absolutely against it, I dont take her.

Expensive meals.

Depends on the girl. I pretty much stopped doing this as well, unless I have a girl who really needs this type of courtship. For some girls a nice meal and romantic chit-chat is foreplay. Thankfully this kind of girl is usually the kind who doesnt like clubs, so you can go directly from the restaurant to your apartment or hotel for a drink and more...

"So I guess good things can happen to old guys!"

Definitely. Think George Clooney or even aging Sean Connery. Even Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp are mid-30s. Age can be an aphrodisiac. Consider yourself superior to the young guys and act like it in a nice fashion. The young guys are using their own weapons. Use yours.

"The other problem is timing."

I have the same problem, I often "work" until midnight. On those nights, clubs are often the only option. If you do however have your evenings free, pre-arranging dates via internet might be your best option. I also suggest concentrating on a limited number of targets. Overscheduling will drive you nuts. Also, you may not score on the first date... set her up for date 2 and go for it. On nights where you arent going to score, send her home early (around midnight) and go find a pro to poke for a couple of hours.

If clubs arent your thing, you should work the internet or chat up normal girls on the street and set up dates. The clubs will suck the energy out of you and there is no guarantee there either. I generally enjoy the clubs, but certainly also enjoy a night in as well.

Selecting gifts

It was me that suggested buying lingerie, but that is one of the classic gifts, so I can hardly take credit for it. Its a good gift in the sense that unless you mess up the date entirely, she will likely model it for you. Perfume can be a good gift too (as it is practical and available in duty free), but in my opinion is a better gift for a regular freebie you have seen at least once or twice before. If a first date gift is too sexy, it can seem a bit too contrived. Perfume is also a bit too standard for a first date, although many girls do like it. I personally like to give her something that has something to do with her personality... so she rightfully gets the impression you are paying attention to her and not just to her ass. She'll love the personal attention and may very well give you her ass ín appreciation. I often use the lingerie trick once she is already in the room or apartment... the "I bought a little something I thought would look great on you" trick. Many times this led to an immediate impromptu fashion show...

[Helena Moscow]

Dear friends ;)
It's me again. But now with some good news. Here I read that many of you are unsure if normal dating with young girls are possible in principal. Absolutely wrong approach. Mature men are very attractive (sometimes ;)). Many young girls prefer them to "green" boys of their own age. But from mature man they expect not just mature looks, but mature actions. Girls want to be taken care about, to have some tender romans, which youngsters can't offer. From mature men always expected some guidance due to their life-experience, the ability to fix problems and of course, charm. As for myself, when I was 19-20 year old girl, I preferred older ones. I had serious love-affairs with man 20 or more years older than myself. Of course, they spent money on me, too (greedy men would have no chance no matter young or old), but that wasn't the point. If they bankrupted, I would not leave them only because of this. At that time I was already a working girl, and I stopped business to have wonderful time with my mature lovers. I valued these relationships more than work, and I still don't regret for doing so, not for a moment. With some of them I'm still in good terms. Even my first lover was 33 (I was 16 at that time), and it was also good experience. And no doubt, mature men are much better in bad then young ones (of course, when they don't lie like logs with the face expression "try to fuck me, and we'll see if you can make me hard"). One of my life-best lovers was 53. I was 19 and he cheated to me that he was 43 ;), but he looked much better than most of 30 year old men. Now he is 63 and still after young girls. And I'm sure they still love him for the charm, care and sexuality (he is still a body-builder and in excellent shape). Even me, after many years fill some "electricity" when he calls me to say hello on the phone.
So. There is no such thing as age resistance. It's only the matter of your personality. If you are attractive and interesting person, you'll be attractive and interesting at any age. Don’t be afraid to try your chances ;)) Women easily forgive stomachs, wrinkles, lack of hair to good companions. And if you are a mature lover of a young girl, you also have to realize that you are in a way responsible for this girl and her feelings, because there is nothing uglier than a mature-looking man with a behavior of a spoiled 13-year old teenager. If you don't want to take efforts to become a charming, generous companion (it's not just about money, but about emotional generosity, you eager to please, to make time unforgettable), and just need a quick "undeserved" fuck than you'll have to deal with professionals who don't care.

[Gentleman Travel]

Dear Helena,

Thank you for your kind and generous advice to us older guys!

What a nice thing to say!


Dear friends ;)
And if you are a mature lover of a young girl, you also have to realize that you are in a way responsible for this girl and her feelings, because there is nothing uglier than a mature-looking man with a behavior of a spoiled 13-year old teenager. If you don't want to take efforts to become a charming, generous companion (it's not just about money, but about emotional generosity, you eager to please, to make time unforgettable), and just need a quick "undeserved" fuck than you'll have to deal with professionals who don't care.Yes, Helena, this is precisely the kind of relationship I am looking for - being generous with my money, attention and treatment of her and her being generous to me with her youth and beauty. I think I have found a sweet young student for this kind of relationship in Kiev (I will only know for sure when I get there, and will have a Plan B), but am still looking in Moscow.

That said, I appreciate all the advice others have given about having a professional back-up to keep moral up and ensure some kind of success! And then I suppose there is the thrill of the hunt that seems to drive so many of the veterans here...

Great advice, everyone!

GT

[Doctor_Skank]

CharlieH:

"In the end I think I fared very well, but then again, I don't know what is considered very well because I don't know the benchmark"

If it felt good and you were happy, then you did well. One of the major hazards of being surrounded by such beauty in Russia is not appreciating what you have. If she made you happy, then she is the most wonderful girl. Nobody can ever take that away from you and it isnt a contest.

Helena_M:

Thanks for the interesting insight... was a pleasure to read. For most guys posting here though, they have little chance to do real courtship... they usually have just a few days and sometimes just a few hours to get what they are looking for. So do excuse us sometimes if we talk about the "hunt" in a fashion which isnt always romantic. That said, I always suggest that mongers in Russia try both pro and "normal" options. Often an intercultural romance can make both parties very happy.

[Gentleman Travel]

What is the correct name of this "PZ" place?

A watering hole for drunken dyevs sounds like a great place!

Girls with low inhibitions and high bar bills are a good market!


PZ is within walking distance and we decide to go there, which turns out to be a good choice. We stroll past PZ’s unpredictable feis control and check our coats, heading upstairs to the club. Instantly we realize it’s a good choice. Although small and maybe even a bit dumpy, PZ is a good place to meet regular Russians and especially a great place to meet chicks getting really drunk. Finding a sober chick in PZ, although presumably possible, is difficult. Not that we were looking.And while we are on the subject, what recommendations do people have for stocking the bar in an apartment - meaning are there typical favourite drinks for young ladies? Left to my own devises, I would mostly stock Krimsekt champagne, some beer & vodka - assuming that would cover most tastes. I am not a scotch drinker, so I don't want to buy a lot of that if the ladies don't drink it. I hear a lot of mentions of Bailey's - is that a typical dyev drink? Anything special that tends to impress?

GT

[Husaberg]

Assuming you would like to try to take the birds out of the tree through standard clubbing action without the help of cash or let s say straight cash what s your reccomandation. I know Leto , First and Billionare any advice on others.

Thanks

[Doctor_Skank]

GT:

PZ is Parizhskaya Zhizn, kind of a dumpy club but it attracts girls that drink. It is a good Mon-Wed club option when most other places suck, Thu-Sun there are better places.

Good drinks to have around are Sovetsky Champagne, Baileys, Martini, beer and vodka...covers almost all the bases. Some girls wont drink vodka, some do, some like beer, many dont etc.

[Cicciolino]

Do not forget to visit:

- Dyagelev (actually the best club in Moscow)
- Gazgolder
- Club XIII
- Cabaret

[Doctor_Skank]

Damnit Cicciolino!

I was hoping no one would mention Dyagilev! Its the nicest club I have ever seen. And right next door to PZ, so I guess it isnt much of a secret... :)

Fuck, there goes the neighborhood...

Club XIII recently reopened, but I hear it hasnt caught on again yet. Great interior though, and near Papa Johns, Propaganda and Petrovich.

First moved.

Leto closed as far as I know.

Cabaret moved some time ago, but havent been to the new one.

Krisis Zhanra plays good music (Britpop etc. and not that same house music you hear everywhere else), but doesnt attract too many cute girls.

Gazgolder is my 2nd favorite place, but it isnt easy to get into without connections or the right company.

[Cicciolino]

Hey Doc

Don't care, in Dyagilev will get in who has to be in. The face control is doing a good job!

XIII is sometimes a very good place to pick-up freebies but just sometimes. The old XIII has been much better but Garry still remains the number 1 as Moscows best promoter.

In May I will be back in town! For easter time, I gonna enjoy some beauties in Lativa :-)


Damnit Cicciolino!

I was hoping no one would mention Dyagilev! Its the nicest club I have ever seen. And right next door to PZ, so I guess it isnt much of a secret... :)

Fuck, there goes the neighborhood...

Club XIII recently reopened, but I here it hasnt caught on again yet. Great interior though, and near Papa Johns, Propaganda and Petrovich.

First moved.

Leto closed as far as I know.

Cabaret moved some time ago, but havent been to the new one.

Krisis Zhanra plays good music (britpop etc. and not that same house music you hear everywhere), but doesnt attract too many cute girls.

Gazgolder is my 2nd favorite place, but it isnt to get into without connections or the right company.

[Maslitio]

Anyone else want to volunteer demographics, like that guy a couple of days ago suggested?

I'll go first

Late 20's
Small business owner
American (California)
Been in Moscow- 2 1/2 years
Average looks

Last exp. w/ mongering?
5 months ago, really bad exp. Really bad.

That place Garage off Pushkinskaya really fills up with the working girls on the weekdays. Almost every time I have been there I have been approached. That was my last foray into mongering, put me off for a while. At that time, I was there with a couple of friends, but they took off to Night Flight. I was going to join them but I bumped into this girl I recognized from CF. I thought she was a civilian, but nope, I was wrong. She kind of took advantage of my drunken condition and talked me into taking her home for the night. Big mistake. She proceeded to flood my bathroom during her shower and then wake up my neighbors with her shouting. Oddly shrill voice. Oh, yeah, she also managed to spill scalding hot tea on my crotch.

In bed she started shrieking commands at me, God that was bad. As I hustled her out the door she was pissed with the 300 rubles I gave her for a cab (Dinamo to Ul. 1905) and wanted 1000 rubles. She again woke up my neighbors with the shouting.

If you see a tall dirty-blonde name Ira (I know, half the female population of Moscow) stay away.

[Guy #2]

I am still here in the US chasing 18-22 white college chicks and I am older than 35. I will see you in Russai when I am done here. Fuck demographics. Go after what you want and fuck what everyone else thinks.

[Bez Bezarra]

I am chasing 18-22 chicks and I am old n sad.

Fuck me you and fuck everyone else.



How about some photos with your bragging?

[Excess]

Sorry about your experience Peasant - but ya gotta laugh - at least I did.

[Patxe]

http://russianescorts.biz/

Are they genuine or just a rip-off site?

[Maslitio]

http://russianescorts.biz/

They seem a bit pricey. 50% surcharge when you order after 1am?

That 20 dollars charge for later calls for a taxi is crap too. For 20 dollars (about 550 rubles) you can get a driver to do about 20 laps around the MKAD

[It Travel]

http://russianescorts.biz/

Are they genuine or just a rip-off site?

I just think the pictures are mostly fake, of course it’s an opinion, but I think so.. there are a lot of other better sites…

And then the prices… from 150 to 400 USD an hour… seems crazy even for Moscow!

For 200 USD you can get laid for an afternoon from two to four hours (I think 400-500 for an overnight) with a real model: Julia Borisova (and of course lots of others, this is only a sample). I think she was even on Russian edition of Playboy. Here a couple of intriguing photos in the snow and one naked… (taken from her agency page).

She send them out as reference (with a lot of others) to possible customers.

These photos are only well shot (might that she is a real model) and not photoshopped.

http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24017.html
http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24018.html
http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24020.html

A real portrait

http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24048.html

I have no idea how she is in bed...

Of course this is a real model agency.. not an escort agency! But Julia, on ground she is not working too much as a model makes also some sex with customers… she is advertising in several sites for pros.

IT

[CharlieH]

Speaking of the factors that affect our success in Russia/Moscow, I think that while looks, money etc are important, there's one thing that's probably the most critical-How long are we staying in Russia? Girls want to know that you're not there to fuck for 1 week and take off. Many girls are looking for something serious/or at least longer term. They either hope the foreign men will marry them and take them back to wherever they come from, or the foreign men stay/live in Russia long enough. If they know you're there for vacation only many will lose interests. I think Doc (once again, this guy knows everything) had mentioned that we want to give them the impression that we visit Russia regularly and have business there. This is a great advice.

Just don't lie to them that you love them or want to marry them if you don't as we already discussed before.

I've had enough girls asking me if I'll ever move to Russia and if I'm there on business, etc...I always tell them I'm only there for vacation (which is the truth). Many lose interests but a few don't care (girls that just wanna have a good time).

Unfortunatly I don't have pro-actions to report back from my latest trip (just got back). But I do have a couple observations I'd like to share, hopefully they'll help mongers in some ways. It was very difficult to book an apartment, most were rented out. Assuming I wasn't being lied to, this means more visitors in Moscow or as least more are staying at apartments as opposed to hotels. Nah, I think I was lied to because I only wanted to stay for a few days. So make sure to take care of your accomendation before you go and have backup plans. These people will gladly bump you for someone stays longer or offers them more cash. So be aware!

The streets are not as busy as New Year/Christmas. Both foot and car traffic is obviously not as heavy as New Year. My flights were almost empty (Aeroflot, service is still lousy, no more free alchoholic drinks, you've gotta pay for it). I guess people don't travel in April. I think the best time to monger is summer. Students don't have school, people on vacation, etc.... New Year while putting people in festive mood, most girls have to be with their families.

I think that if one can set up some sort of business (doesn't even have to be big) in Russia and visit there regularly (half the year in Russia). Girls will kick down your door and beg you to fuck them. Scoring in Russia is really so easy, one just have to be decent, have decent income, stays/lives in Russia long enough to be around them more. Sure girls want a better material life but they also want their men to be around them more. I can't even begin to count how many girls I know live with their mothers and grandmothers. Where are all the men? So if you're semi-kind, have a decent job, and foreign they'll gladly fuck your brains out if you'll be around long enough.

Sorry for the rambling and not much mongering info.

Russia is a unique country. It's fucked up, corrupt, dark, gloomy yet can be cheerful, resilient, upbeat. And of course there are the krasiviye devushki that keep us going back for more. It's a fascinating country.

Guys monger with care and responsibility.

[It Travel]

Dear Friends,


Finally Iriska (Irina) came out with a funny ICQ request… 50 €!

She said she had no money… but she does not remember (too drunk) that I saw her credit cards (!!!) and she said se was buying things with monthly instalments of 50 USD… Funny. Obviously I said no… and she will not be in my agenda any more.

She even used some of my pictures, not the one where she is cummed of course, for new ads in www.omen.ru.

Unfortunately my April trip to Moscow has been suspended so I’m very sad not to get a weekend with the chubby blondinka… but I’ll surely go there before the summer to check if she said the truth, real blonde, chubby, unshaven… mmmmmh what a DATY it will be! Pink lips in the forest… it’s still one of my passions! When I touched her in the restaurant (just on the arm) she had an incredible soft skin, like silk, and the chubby and soft body must be even better.

I have seen even more interesting girls to be sponsored for normal dating… some really interesting. Unfortunately my visits in Moscow are always to short!

IT

[Doctor_Skank]

IT:

I have been following your inspiring sponsorship chronicles for some time, good reading!

As far as Iriska is concerned, dont hold it against her. She is just a girl that needs money and in order to get it, fucks people. She is the butter for our bread. I dont think you should send her money (I PROBABLY never would), but you cant blame her for trying.

We also shouldnt be too cheap with the girls. An extra $50, really a joke in our world, can make a big difference to them sometimes. Of course we shouldnt let ourselves be used by the girls and never forget that with pros (even semi-pros like many sponsored girls are) the deal is essentially a business deal, opening up to them a bit and allowing a girlfriend -like atmosphere to develop (as much as this is possible in such brief encounters) can really turn an average evening into a very memorable one.

And she using your pictures? Consider it a compliment. Accept it with a degree of deserved pride...

"Unfortunately my visits in Moscow are always to short!"

That is the cruel fate most of us suffer, but it does keep you hungry for more, doesn't it?

[It Travel]

I think we have to meet once… I very often agree with what you are writing.. . By the way when I write “I’m putting her off the agenda”, it means also “if I find nothing better”… I’m still very interested in her tight tight rear entrance… But she always says NO NO NO…

For making you happy (and her too if you might go).

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=632012

It’s Irina.

Happy Easter. Let me go to dinner!

[It Travel]

Dear Friends,

on ground I received several PM asking me on this or that link… I think I can put on ISG a little work I already did on Internet resources for sex in Moscow.

Of course there are hundreds… From self proposing small Salons to big search engines with over 1.500 girls.

I usually use tockas and clubs outside Moscow, but in Moscow I’m more fascinated on Salons (real brothels, where you can chose on the spot saying "anal a step forward!"), and pros making internet ads. I do not like to go to crowded and smoky clubs, I prefer a girl in the bed, nearly always for overnight (I like to take them in the morning… specially anally), some room service and perhaps a BBBJ between the main course and the desert.

Of course some might not like this thing… but tastes (fortunately!) are different.

I shall just tell (as I have been told) how it works. Big sites are just like a paper with advertising, and girls or salons just pay them (by the way a lot of money… approx 200 USD/month and 12-15.000 RUR for a year), but they told me that a good advertising make a lot of difference in customers. There are also several other business involved: other ads like saunas, bars or wherever you want to go with a rented girl… And of course photographers, photoshoppers, make up artists etc.

On ground of the fact this thing is really long I have divided it in to four parts.


A) Some links for understanding real, fake, photoshopped photos… of course if a photo seems real it does not mean that the girl you get at the door is the right one..

B) Small sites: from salons, Erotic Massage Salons (usually no intercourse), even single girls (but just some of this because thy usually last just some weeks). I include medium sized sites.

C) Big sites, usually with over 500 girls or a lot of salons, some are there just on ground they are since the 90s, in Internet it means real archaeology. They have a longer comment.

D) A list of a couple of dozens of girls which I believe have real photos, and for me are, in some way interesting, surely often not beauties, but a real 18teen making CIM; or a skinny tall girl; or an anal petite, or whatever. If you have nailed some please let me know (with the link) because next time I will be in Russia, I surely will be spending a whole week out for salons and homes (!).

In all these I included only Russian sites, not the many .co.uk, or .com.ua or so… there are many also in English, but usually really for tourists and overpriced (1000 USD night… I think I can get to bed with three teens for same price).

Of course you have to understand a little Russian at least or use a translation software.
http://translation.paralink.com/default.asp
www.translate.ru, but there are others too.

Of course for the old Moscow mongers this can be non useful. I put my self there because I still remember the third floor bar at the Intourist hotel where in the early 90s, completely openly, with no hassle at all.. you could get a nice teen for a Franklin a day, or even less if she was not a beauty (yes I was meaning exactly a day!). But on the fact when I send a pic or whatever saying a girl is on intimcity or omen, I often get mails asking how to get them… here they are…

I was even thinking to open a separate thread on Internet Resources, because there are really a lot…

But I want your opinions…

IT

PS here an interesting thing…

http://www.suter.ru/index.php?ind=2&menu=3
A customer black list, made by girls, with addresses, names, car types, and mainly cellular numbers! Watch if you are there!

[It Travel]

I think that a lot of you guys, been at home of girls or in a Salon, can agree… Its very difficult to recreate (in a fake picture) the atmosphere of a Komunalka…

Some pictures are evidently photoshopped ad some are obviously fake…

Just some samples.

Surely true photos:
http://extralove.ru/list.php?g=Девушки&link=968 this, for instance, is too naïve not to be true.
http://www.devchenki.ru/showanketbynum.php?Num=12972 surely true because I fucked her!

Perhaps true and photoshopped
http://www.kleopatra.org.ru/vika/index.php legs are ...
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27875 the body…
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26208 look at the face… photoshopped

Surely fake:
http://www.sexdolls.ru/anketa.php?id=352ù I do not think that even in Moscow you can get, as advertised a such girl for 220/night!!!
http://www.toplady.ru/link.php?link=180
http://www.toplady.ru/foto1.php?photos/p191_1.jpg if it was true, for 200 USD/night, I should take the plane immediately… She is a well known photo model!

[It Travel]

I started with Erotic Massage Salons, usually there is no intercourse… but orgasm. Body massage and so on. Some even with sex with the girls… Usually the prices are on a menu.
This is not my passion, like lap dance, so this part might be enriched a lot.

http://www.emassag.ru/
Several massage salons advertising together… no sex, something between a lap-dance and sex, with physical contact, orgasm but no introduction!

http://www.eromassage.ru/
Another erotic massage site, not the copy of the one before

http://www.erotic-massage.ru/
Erotic massage with “intim” or sex if you like at fixed price in Two Moscow locations…
Tried once, not bat, a lot of youngish not in photos.

http://massagemoscow.narod.ru/
A small massage site.. very slow only 950 RUR/hour.

http://www.pussycats.ru/
Small site with girls for erotic massage, saunas etc…



Some small medium sites. Usually the are from a “Salon” i.e. a Brothel. Usually the best choice, in my opinion, for an interesting afternoon… just go there, take a drink or a tee or a coffee ad you can usually fuck as much as you can a girl or two or even three for usually less than 70 USD/hour each, but in some 2 hours are 100 USD, there are as low (in outside Moscow) as 40 USD/hour, and some has even 7’s or 8’s, but young inexperienced and of course zero English.
These sites have between a handsome to 50/60 or more (up to two hundred) girls, but none of them is the real bid ads sites. I give also some comments on the pictures…


http://individualochkki.ru/
Small agency/brothel… many fake pictures.

http://www.devki.org/
A handsome of girls… and boys advertised together… Ouchhh! I can’t see anything worse…

http://www.infodosug.ru/
Another small site with less than 10 girls…

http://www.kleopatra.org.ru/
A small agency/brothel with six girls… a lot of photoshop

http://www.otsos.ru/
Another replicating site… I do not remember from where, usual 40-50 girls…

http://www.prostitutka.ru/
A medium site 70-80 girls with both supermodels and cheap ones… Search engine Usual girls that you see on other sites… even known as http://www.kremlindolls.ru/

http://girl.sexfantasy.ru/reiting.php
A medium site with some dozens of girls

http://girl.sdosug.ru/reiting.php
Very similar to the one above…

http://www.irkdosug.com.ru/
Sex portal where you find also pros… pictures often coming from www.dosug.nu. Much ads without pics.

http://www.tutki.ru/
Medium size site with girls.. little bit slow in downloading… primitive.

http://www.vip-dosug.com/
Advertised somewhere like a pro site it’s just a porn site… with even viruses.

http://devku.ru/
Small agency with a handsome of girls.

http://vipexs.com/
A model agency… fucking models of course for 1.000 $ night!!! You can have three for the same price.. English version working… They advertise with real models… I do not know if it is true, but in Kiev I have been to bet with a central Page Playboy model for 80 USD for two hours… (just in 2004).

http://www.sexdolls.ru/
Approx 80 girls… in my opinion a lot of fake pics…

http://indosug.ru/
Small agency… few girls and few links. Seems fake… a link to http://top-girls.ru/ the top twenty of the big www.red-club.ru.

http://bigtits2000.ru/
A small site, just some “girls”, perfect for people loving oldies… some over 50!

http://sexutopia.ru/
Small agency with 20 girls.. high prices

http://emmanuelle.ru/
Another small agency/ads site with approx 20 girls

http://www.goldlady.ru/
Good site with search engine (age, dimension etc.). Mainly the same girls (approx 200) that are on the other big sites. Comments from the public.

http://www.marmeladki.ru/
Another very small site with some girls… otherwise good search engine.

http://vippopka.ru/
A small agency or site… few girls

http://sexrelax.ru/
Few girls on the expensive side… some photo seems fake.

http://www.misskiss.ru/
An Agency or Brothel with some girls…

http://www.1905goda.ru/
Brothel/Agency at the same metro station, even apartments, seems on the expensive side. Few girls.

http://msksex.ru/
Seems to be an ad site of an agency, even if all the girls have different cells, on the cheap side. Even boys for girls! (very strange).

http://www.sexmission.ru/
Site with girls for erotic massage (not sex) in saunas etc. English section not working…

http://www.znakomstva.info/
The site of the well known sex advertising magazine you can find everywhere in Moscow. Area search engine with sex type and price. Nothing to do with the magazine where you get 1000 girls at least.

http://ww19.individualki.ru/index.htm
A medium site with 30-40 girls (most of them seen on the big sites)

http://sorl.ru/
Should be a small exclusive site with models… 10 normal girls, but useful links like the one to a couple of Salons and another site… the following.

http://intimlife.ru/
An Individualki site of ads, with approx 100 girls and some links to Salons. But most of the girls and the lesbo pairs are on the bigger sites.

http://sexhouse.ru/
Small ad/agency site, some different categories, a little too slow.

http://sultana.ru/
Seems to be the same agency as over with other name…

http://www.sexmoskva.ru/
Already seen agency…

http://night-girls.ru/
Small ad/agency site, some different categories, a little too slow. On the expensive side.

http://erozone.ru/
Site intended for Ekaterinenburg, but with a Moscow section, some photo surely fake, on ground they are from famous models, some seems true, on the expensive side. Search engine
Surely fake: http://erozone.ru/members.php?id=53

http://www.erozone.ru/
Of course a mirror site of what’s over…

http://www.sexescort.ru/
Agency Ads on the expensive side…

http://salon69.hwsite.ru/
Brothel/Agency near Majakovskaja.. photos seem fake, no prices…

http://www.sexmoskva.net/
Ad site not many girls, a lot of Photoshopping!

http://www.x-stars.ru/
Many girls in this ads site, but it is very slow and it makes your PC standing still several seconds…
A lot of work on the photos.

http://www.djlove.ru/
Just a handsome of girls…

http://www.irkdosug.ru/
Small selection and links to other sites…

http://qween.ru/
50/60 girls… Many seen elsewhere…

http://hotgirls.ru/main/index.php
Just a handsome of girls…

http://putana.biz/
Small selection of usual girls.

http://dosugvip.ru/
30-40 girls, with details.. a fixed search system…

http://www.sexsalon.org/
Small agency, a dozen or so.

http://citylove.ru/intl/?AT=1
90 girls, on ground of your browser detection, comes out directly in English version.. Many photos seem really fake…

http://sashenka.ru/
Ads site with a lot of girls.. different sections. Even a VIP part with only 18teen! (at 200 USD an hour, photo guaranteed!?!) Russians like the young. Seems true. Never used. Some girl with personal site on narod.ru

http://www.indiv.ru/
A site of a single girl… if you are interested in oldies and BBW this is for you!

http://www.realgirl.ru./index.php
Small Salon with some oldies…

http://www.lolitki.ru/
Just a handsome of girls.. but no lolitki at all!!!! Unfortunately…

http://izis.ru/
A small advertising site with two sections: 20-40 girls per section, price divided, in the first up to 250/night, in the second lux ones up to 500/night. Known girls from other sites, but some bargains (if photo are true) in the low-cost area. Some for 150!

http://www.lenok.ru/
Advertising… prostitutki from 30 USD… Always the same thing you see on big sites…

http://www.tanyatanya.com/
The internet site of a famous Russian pornstar, selling films… but perhaps for some 1000’s !!!??? You can get some actress… really experienced.

http://vip.tanyatanya.com/?link=prostitutki
The Tanya Tanya site of links where you get a lot of escort agencies even in English.

http://xxxdosug.ru/
A agency site few girls…

http://xxxintim.com/
Some dozens of model type girls… If the photos are true it is not so overpriced 300/450 night.

http://intimhouse.ru/
Another medium site with 50 or so girls, quick. Well known girls form other sites, but some seems to beautiful and too cheap!

http://www.sexgerls.ru/
Usual site with 80 or so girls…

http://koketka.net/
Small ad site with some dozens of girls…

http://modeli.ru/
Another site with a dozen or so of girls, they say the photo are real… seems so but who know who will come?

http://kisski.ru/
Medium site with 50/60 girls, some very beautiful and very expensive 15.000 RUR !!! it’s more than 550 USD.

http://prostitutka.us/
Just a dozen.

http://www.geteraclub.ru/
A club site with just a couple of girls, you have to go there to see the others…

http://notsh.org/n.asp
A medium site, one of the oldest if I remember right.

http://www.sexmolitva.narod.ru/
A girls’ site (with a male!). If you want a threesome… (I prefer with two girls…)

http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/
A medium site with 50 girls, sarch engine..

http://ckazka.ru/
Agency 20/30… rigid primitive software.

http://www.katenka.ru/
One of the most well known Salons in Moscow, sending girls even home… some overpriced unfortunately now it is in St. Peterburg! Once it was in Moscow…

http://vipelita.ru/modules/sex/
A vip salon agency, nice teens but 250 for two hours…

http://www.xdosug.ru/
A handsome of girls in a too complicated system, too many things and too slow…

http://dosuglist.ru/
80 girls or so a lot of BBW and oldies…

http://viplady.ru/
Model type girls, very nice but quite expensive

http://www.individualki.ru/
Medium size site, normal.

http://sexopilki.ru/
Medium site with known girls (they are also on other sites).

http://girlforsex.ru/
Small agency, some really naïve… but stupid if you try to get the telephone you are linked to another site!

http://www.olala.nu/
A dozen of girls or so, but if you use the search engine you get 70 or 80…
But if some are true… real bargains like these, but they are mixed Moscow and Petersburg
http://www.olala.nu/cat.html?a=item&item_id=370
http://www.olala.nu/cat.html?a=item&item_id=362

http://www.uslugi.nu/
Another medium site, very slow...

http://www.dosug.ms/
A medium site with girls and Salons, as usual.

http://fei.ru/index.htm
Medium site with some dozens

http://elitvip.ru/
Medium size site with well known girls form other sites…

http://www.dosugvip.ru/
30-40 girls, in a “catalogue” sort…

http://be-mine.ru/
60/70 girls, in a highly elaborated scenario.. a little bit too much, surely fake photos and well known girls. Another sample of impossible things…
This should be for 200 a night http://be-mine.ru/details.php?id=102&key=1727517349 unbelievable!

http://vipdama.ru/
A dozen or so some really ugly…

http://otkazov.net.ru/
A low cost site girls (OHHH!) from 30 USD/hour.. old and ugly

http://www.sexutopia.ru/
Agency with 20/30 girls, some on other site also.

http://intimuslugi.msk.ru/
70/80 with evident price, usual girls…

http://relax-girls.com/
A handsome of girls.. surely fake photos..

http://www.vamdam.ru/
A handsome of girls.

http://lovecontact.ru/
Small agency

[It Travel]

The real big advertising sites for girls. They usually pay a monthly fee or extras if they want to be in the first pages or in special ads.
Nearly all have some kind of search engine, some really good like intimcity or red-club. Usually the quality of pictures is good even if some is very naïve.
In the most part of them there are customer comments, rating on service, and photo correspondence. I mostly use these and I never got really another girl… some time she is worse than photographed, but some times even better.

http://tulula.sitecity.ru/
An individual site, just as a sample… you often find the links to them in sextalk or in the big sites as girls homepage

http://blyadi.com/
Funny site with 300 girls… of you do not know Russian might be difficult, but you can fins some unusual girls. Has a similar not identical mirror site at http://deffki.net/

http://rasputin.ru/
One of the smallest big sites for ads, also Salons and Clubs. Linked from http://www.xxx.ru/ where you have a link to http://www.znakomstva.info/

http://dolls.nu/
Well known site with approx 200 girls, many of them seen on the really big sites. Quick download.

http://devushki.nu/
A site with approx 200 girls… small search engine… but some real good ones if photos are true…
Many well known.. from other big sites.

http://zna.nu/
Well known, approx 200-300 girls, you have to go to the end of the page for getting the next… Most of girls are on the real big sites…

http://21er.ru/catalog.asp?city=1
A thematic catalogue for Moscow, a little bit slow… approximately the same girls in ston.ru.

http://pikant.ru/
One of the big Moscow sites, some girl even ads with mpegs! Specialist section for Anal an Lesbi, some hundreds!
Some pics are surely real… you need to be in Hollywood, as I said, to make a fake interior of a komunalka in soviet taste!

http://www.putana.nu/
One of the big sites: 25 girls per page, 44 pages! And a funny search system with buttons! Just press teens or super tits or anal and you get them!
Most of the girls are the same as the other big sites with more than 1000 girls

http://www.dnu.ru/individuals/?linkfrom=flex
One of the big ones.. 200 girls advertising.
Easy to search through the fotogaleria… from 250 to 500/night
Very fast in downloading…
For a comparison the old version of Valentina look http://www.dnu.ru/ankets/2109/

http://www.dosug.nu/index.htm
One of the big and well known sites… used it several times. Most of photos are surely true (but with a good photographer, make up and perhaps something more). Hundreds of girls, in different sections, good descriptions and often comments and ratings (also negative) from customers. Big Salon section and private apartment (two three girls, usually making also lesbis). Some year ago they even advertised two couple of identical twins! Unfortunately I was not in Moscow then.
Several hundreds of girls, for all tastes from teen to duos with old mamas!

http://www.ston.ru/
One of the big sites. Class search: teens, anals, petites, etc. Often comments from users on http://sextalk.ru. Several pictures and sections, even lesbis, or anals. Unfortunately the system is a little bit complicated to use, and no distinction between Moscow and Piter.
Used several times, mostly the same girls (partially) that are on the other big sites. Some interesting young teen.

http://www.bordel.nu/
Approximately 450 girls, but incredible pop ups… on Casino… Shit! Mirror site http://www.intimtime.com/

http://www.red-club.com/
One of the traditional really big ones, more than 1000 pros! Search engine, usually the photos matches… Not all the girls have the price… Be aware that trans are advertised among girl!!!! Ouch!
Even some girls with video… mirror site at http://red-club.ru/

http://www.dosug.org/
Not the biggest but one of the oldest in Moscow…
Few singles, but good agency, salon etc section. They have even girl ranking. Unfotunately most part of the sit are still since the end of 2004… it’s going really down.

http://x-love.ru
A lot of ads in different section, there is a Moscow section. Mostly girls you have seen on the other big sites, a big section for threesomes. Etc. Search engine with age, price etc.
Not so fast.

http://extralove.ru/
Quite big with a lot of girls, prices, telephone numbers, etc. Unfortunately even trans and such ugly things. A good search system… with possibilities for age type of sex etc.
Even the new look of one of my favourites (Valentina the girl with saggy tits and birthmarks, but giving wonderful tight anal services)
http://extralove.ru/search.php?link=1847

http://www.devchenki.ru/
A lot of girls, it’s an Ads site. Frankly speaking a lot of photos of the first page seems fake.. the others more normal. Search classes for age, price and type of sex… Approx 100 teens, plus other girls… Mirror site is http://vipdevochki.ru/ and http://devocki.ru/

www.toplady.ru
Another big site with more than 200 girls… Search engine, and more

http://www.dosugcity.ru/
Approx 500 girls, search engine very similar to Intimcity, but some really good girls (if they are true) can be found.

http://dosug.nu/index.htm
Surely one of the best, over 500 girls, Search engine and much more… very good photos and comments from users.

www.intimcity.ru
In my opinion the best one, and in the girl’s opinion the most expensive but with a lot of results. Usually over 1500 girls for all tastes. You can easily use the search engine to refine age, dimension, sex qualities and so on…
I fond some real girls there… and there are a lot of comments. When the girl do not pay the ads, the put the girl off line, but if you have the exact line you can see it in any case…

www.omen.ru Site for sponsorhip girls… you find hundreds from pregnant teens asking 3.500 RUR a day, to incredible beauties (some with no price shown) like this (click on the photo):
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=595931 seems Tiffany…
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=628485
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=630494 she often change photos so they must be real.
There is even a pro section at http://omen.ru/love/LOVEXX.HTM but you can chose age and anal and no more…

[It Travel]

Have you fucked them?

Because for one thing or another, I find all these interesting girls, worth to spend some money or time, one because she is 18teen, one because she allows CIM and so on…

The question is are they real? Somebody has nailed them… let me know.. you will make me happy!

Thanks in advance…

IT

http://www.devchenki.ru/showanketbynum.php?Num=13658 nice slim tall teen
http://www.devchenki.ru/showanketbynum.php?Num=13657 a bargain if true
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26798 skinny tall Dr Skank should like her…
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25147 soft and exciting, not so expensive, surely true photos.. if it’s she..
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27217 a real bargain if it’s she!
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21465 a real interesting girl.. look at the big pics.. You can even see the pussy on the second pic.
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27972 Not a beauty, but a real red…
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=22839 Intersting skinny… with positive comments and bargain price
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21908 A real riding horse.. 180 cm,
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17172 really a Full Figured Teen to fuck…
http://intimlife.ru/girls/0260/01/ for a school idea party! You need to take them both…
http://www.red-club.com/show/girl/16546?age_to=19 real teen making all for 70/hour, meaning 250.-300 for overnight.
http://www.red-club.com/show/girl/14206?age_to=19 Real teenager, with tongue piercing for better BBBJ
http://zna.nu/1142268437 so naive that I think the photo is true… Perfect for afternoon relax
http://vipdevochki.ru/showanketbynum.php?Num=13402 I’m very fascinated by this tall (180) and slim 25 y.o.
http://www.putana.nu/list.php?foto=p13820_5.jpg&link=13820 a really naïve 19teen
http://www.putana.nu/list.php?link=13818 a real anal mignon girl 23 years and only 154 cm and 42 kgs… you can just so what you want with this petite…
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=24106 a petite ready for everything…
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=22265 a skinny resy for all, seems even true pics…

One of the most interesting found:
http://www.devchenki.ru/showanketbynum.php?Num=15380&Photonum=4 long, tall and skinny teen… Mmmh… allowing anal and filming… surely one of my next fucks in Moscow!


PS of course a lot of things will be missing, but with your help I'll surely find something new!

[Mary Kay]

It Traveller,

Was all the deal done in Russian?

I mean chatting over the web and the time together in Moscow.

I ask it because the site you used seems to be only in Russian.

is it a problem trying the same experience in English or Italian  (I’m Italian too)
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[Helena Moscow]

She said she had no money… but she does not remember (too drunk) that I saw her credit cards (!!!) and she said se was buying things with monthly instalments of 50 USD…
IT

In Russia debet cards are more often used. I guess you saw debet cards, not credit. They look just the same, but work like normal saving accounts. They can also be absolutely empty. In some banks minimum deposits are not required.


By the way, your idea of a separate thread for internet links is useful. If everybody rights in a short way, as you did, about different sites (big or small, fake or real, cheap or expensive, easy or difficult navigation), after some time it will become a good database.

[Dave Carrera]

The girls look far too good to be real. Has anyone actually used that site and can suggest women they have met through there?

Dave

[It Travel]

In Russia debet cards are more often used. I guess you saw debet cards, not credit. They look just the same, but work like normal saving accounts. They can also be absolutely empty. In some banks minimum deposits are not required.


By the way, your idea of a separate thread for internet links is useful. If everybody rights in a short way, as you did, about different sites (big or small, fake or real, cheap or expensive, easy or difficult navigation), after some time it will become a good database.


Dear Helena,

I’m sorry but I know exactly what a debit and a credit card are…

Irina had a Mastercard Credit Card… paying, I suppose, her home Personal Computer, with 50 USD monthly instalments.

Of course she had also some debit cards where she got her salary…

I well know the difference between the two…

By the way I have tried to open a new thread, but I could not…

Hello…
IT
PS by the way Helena what are you figure numbers (I mean in the Russian style)…

[Big Bro AJ]

IT,

Awesome work and networking...

Besides dating.omen.ru check out www.love.mail.ru

You may also find girls who are looking for sponsors...:)

[It Travel]

IT,

Awesome work and networking...

Besides dating.omen.ru check out www.love.mail.ru

You may also find girls who are looking for sponsors...:)


Thanks but it's always asking for a registration.... so I'm pissed on getting hundreds of e-mails on Viagra and whatever...

I think you well understand.

Bye

IT

[It Travel]

Where are cheap places ? … Salons (brothels), Tochkas
There are at least approx 100 Salons (with 5-10 girls or more) and apartments with two/three girls there you can get two full hours less than 100/120 € and how many cum shot you want, of course in the afternoon… not in the evening…

Look at the sites…

Here some samples… of good and cheap girls, of course supposing they are true!!!

Approximately log under 100 € for a full session of two hours (at their apartment, otherwise you have to put on taxi, and perhaps your Hotel security...

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25830
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27877
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26544
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27591


a good skinny tall one
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26798

home made photos
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26674

A nice teenish
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27687

a good full figured for anal
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25580


Salons are a good and interesting thing...

IT

[Helena Moscow]

Irina had a Mastercard Credit Card… paying, I suppose, her home Personal Computer, with 50 USD monthly instalments.


By the way I have tried to open a new thread, but I could not…


IT
PS by the way Helena what are you figure numbers (I mean in the Russian style)…

Hi, IT Travel. Then it's another case about the card.
May be threads can only be opened by admin? I think he can do it if someone sends him a letter.

My figure (Russian style): 168sm, 57kg, 36DD, measurements - 105-65-95, clothes Russian style 46, European 38-40, not skinny, not fat, right in the middle, a real woman =))))

[GandJim]

By the way I have tried to open a new thread, but I could not…

In principle, there is a special place for requesting Jackson to open a new thread here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=339).

Chances of success are slim though, I haven't seen much requests being accepted (well, mine for adding Minsk as the capital of Belarus for example never was :()

[It Travel]

Hi, IT Travel. Then it's another case about the card.
May be threads can only be opened by admin? I think he can do it if someone sends him a letter.

My figure (Russian style): 168sm, 57kg, 36DD, measurements - 105-65-95, clothes Russian style 46, European 38-40, not skinny, not fat, right in the middle, a real woman =))))

Yes she has a real credit card... It's meaning a lot on who she is and why she is doing this... You will see later on.

Threads question solved... I hope soon by JACKSON!!!

I must say, in a very fair way, that if I get laid with you and fuck I will report ISG members.... It's up to you... I think I could get a try... PM me on you... I'll soon be in Moscow. Why not a short start meeting at your home (my hotel room will be full of teens, or nearly so... one 22 one 24). If you think it's OK... There is no problem...

Your figures... 168/57/5 or 6 are interesing...

IT

[Helena Moscow]

I must say, in a very fair way, that if I get laid with you and fuck I will report ISG members.... IT

Huh... one can't shut another person's mouth. But, I think it will be fair enough if I report something about you in return ;)) Must say such a prospect doesn't make me horny at all...

[Shrek 22]

intimlove.ru

One of the big Moscow sites, some girl even ads with mpegs! Specialist section for Anal an Lesbi, some hundreds!

Some pics are surely real. You need to be in Hollywood, as I said, to make a fake interior of a Komunalka in soviet taste!

[Etaoin2003]

But, I think it will be fair enough if I report something about you in return ;))

Oh my, a report about the fuckability of IT ... !! Spare us please! :-)

[DownUnder]

I have been following the Russia forum closely and can't wait for the day I get a chance to visit.
I have question, that I have not scene addressed yet, which where and how to hook up with some single mom's in Moscow ?

I ask this question because everything I have read and heard is that Russia is a Mecca for them. Although I have no desire to become a Dad again, I just find it easier to score with a women who may or may not be looking for a father for her kids.

Also, Doc - Great reports, if you wrote a book , I would buy it !

[Vittu]

Downunder. Russia is full of single moms. You can meet them everywhere and they would love to get to know you.

[CharlieH]

I have been following the Russia forum closely and can't wait for the day I get a chance to visit.

I have question, that I have not scene addressed yet, which where and how to hook up with some single mom's in Moscow ?

I ask this question because everything I have read and heard is that Russia is a Mecca for them. Although I have no desire to become a Dad again, I just find it easier to score with a women who may or may not be looking for a father for her kids.

Also, Doc - Great reports, if you wrote a book , I would buy it !Downunder, Russia is full of single moms. Actually, Russia is full of families consist of a single mom with a young daughter and grandmother. And the burden of supporting the family falls straight on the shoulders of the single mom. If you're looking for single moms, you've hit the jackpot.

I recall GandJim did a piece on similar topic in Belarus section, but I can't seem to find it.

[Starchild2012]

My trip to moscow being delayed further so i would be using your travel services a bit late..but i must say...having come accross many a women from different countries...you the one women who seem to be the sanest of all ..a balence of right thinking at the right time combined with a perfect attitude and yes with a touch of humor to it all ...and to top that you give an insight of how working women in this profession feels is just great !! Hats off !!

I think i should make hElEnA's QuOtE to make my point clear now and then to my fellow mongers...like the one on IT travel....

IT travel says:

PS by the way Helena what are you figure numbers (I mean in the Russian style)…

Helena says:

My figure (Russian style): 168sm, 57kg, 36DD, measurements - 105-65-95, clothes Russian style 46, European 38-40, not skinny, not fat, right in the middle, a real woman =))))

Now again IT Being the man says:

I must say, in a very fair way, that if I get laid with you and fuck I will report ISG members.... It's up to you... I think I could get a try... PM me on you... I'll soon be in Moscow. Why not a short start meeting at your home (my hotel room will be full of teens, or nearly so... one 22 one 24). If you think it's OK... There is no problem...

Your figures... 168/57/5 or 6 are interesing...

Now what Helena replies is very interesting not the usual stuff...

Huh... one can't shut another person's mouth. But, I think it will be fair enough if I report something about you in return ) Must say such a prospect doesn't make me horny at all...

ha....i'm really laughing my ass off with this one....now thats something different and unexpected totally...now who would have thought that in ISG.. soon we would be getting a performance rating from the women we chase ...

Great !! helena !! i being following your quotes for some time now and i must say YOU ROCK !!

[It Travel]

Oh my, a report about the fuckability of IT ... !! Spare us please! :-)

I think exactl as you... I do not think that anybody here is interested I my sexual capabilities, drinking too muck vodka, liking caviar, eating to much (so I'm 15 kg more than I should be), and how log is my cock...

I thank that everybody reading alaredy knows that'm liking girls, specially teens, stpecially CIM, COF and taking them anally!

Dreams are unshaven (but trimmed correctly) natural blondes and reds... clean and good tasting ones!

All this is no secret! Ah Ah Ah...

IT

[It Travel]

I have been following the Russia forum closely and can't wait for the day I get a chance to visit.
I have question, that I have not scene addressed yet, which where and how to hook up with some single mom's in Moscow ?

I ask this question because everything I have read and heard is that Russia is a Mecca for them. Although I have no desire to become a Dad again, I just find it easier to score with a women who may or may not be looking for a father for her kids.

Also, Doc - Great reports, if you wrote a book , I would buy it !

I really do not know, but Russia is full of single moms of all ages starting from very very young... to 35/40

Just go around on Internet...

Like here:
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=622777
A 17 teen with a 1 year baby seeking a father up to 30...
NiMfa you will find in Sponsor section will soon sarch the same...

IT

[Doctor_Skank]

Single moms:

In theory this is a good idea, and one that does conjure up images of helping out a lonely woman and giving her the affection she needs. It may even work, however in my experience it didnt always pan out to what I wanted.

Although I have never specifically pursued single moms I have run across a few in my time, and you are right, there are many... and many of them are still looking really great.

There are some negative aspects, or rather aspects of concern, to be taken into consideration.

1) where do you meet them? They dont go out as often as girls without children and even when they do find an aunt or babushka to watch the kids, they tend not to stay out as late. So just meeting them can be difficult, although of course it is impossible to pick them out of a crowd. I've just found that the vast majority of girls I meet have no kids... or maybe that is something that has to do with my target group. Internet is of course a good place, as this is often stated in the profile. Nonetheless, specifically targeting this group does seem to be a bit difficult.

2) what do they want? Although I am sure many would be happy with just some casual sex, the ones I have had wanted more. They really were looking for a serious boyfriend, perhaps even a husband, and usually a father for their child. The typical situation. Although my affairs with single moms all ended amicably and we shared some nice times together, this was more emotional baggage than I was prepared to carry, so I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. My success with this group was quite ok, but it just wasnt what I was looking for emotionally, as the girls (women) were really too clingy.

If you do however go for this group, what has worked for me is the basic romantic dating approach. Provided she can find someone to watch the kids (there is usually an aunt or a babushka around), a date over dinner (doesnt have to be an expensive place, just a nice one) with some wine and a simple gift will usually do the trick and she'll be happy.... for the time being.

Helene M:

Liked your answer too... it does remind us that it takes two to tango...

[Big Bro AJ]

Hi guys,

i am ok with you but i prefer mature ladies over 35 or 40 for it. I have done some meetings but it's difficult because i have 28 yo. Please help me to have great sex with russian mature ladies <150$ per night.


The MILF’s I met in January…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26264 met in her incall very satisfied

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25794 met in her incall crazy, insane, sex maniac…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26159 met in her incall, satisfied…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27199 talked to her but her incall was not available at that moment

AND one of the best experiences with http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=22144&style=13

There are one more MILFs I met in my previous visits but her ad was deleted.

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25015 planning to meet her and http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=28200&style=13 her next time

[It Travel]

The MILF’s I met in January…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26264 met in her incall very satisfied

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25794 met in her incall crazy, insane, sex maniac…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26159 met in her incall, satisfied…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27199 talked to her but her incall was not available at that moment

There are two more MILFs I met in my previous visits but their ads were deleted.

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25015 planning to meet her next time

As world differs... tastes are different...

My favourite are teens (chubby, normal, skinny, doesn't matter)... and just a little bit more, let's say up to 25. With just some exception because they make me very horny... like Diana/Alisa... in reality she is 29.

I have sponsored some... You will see soon...

IT

[Lorenzo Rome]

I will be in Moscow for one night at WTC hotel.

Who can suggest me nice girls (100 Usd) in bordels or coming to hotel?
Bordel is better since I can go with a colleague.

I have seen the web sites of the forum, but I don't speak russian and I suppose that a lot of them don't speak english!!!

I prefer addresses of places where are working MILF or mobile numbers of pro who speak english.

Thanks in advance

Lorenzo

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[Gentleman Travel]

Do not forget to visit:

- Dyagelev (actually the best club in Moscow)
- Gazgolder
- Club XIII
- CabaretThanks for all the great club info - it will really help focus my activities.

But it makes me wonder if there is an opportunity at some of these clubs with cover charges or face control for trolling outside the clubs?

A long time ago, in a land far, far away (it was Rio) there was a particular disco that was the main place to pick up amateurs and semi-pros. But it seemed to me the best pickings were not inside the club, but at a patio bar just outside, because a lot of the girls did not want to pay the cover charge to get in, or were waiting for girlfriends to show up before commiting for the evening. So it formed kind of a holding tank for wannabees.

So by hitting up the girls drinking on the patio you saved their cover charge, plus your own, making to economics of the thing that much more attractive. Plus I found it easier to meet them outside the noise and darkness of the disco.

Alternatively, it provided you with another tool to impress - you take them in and pay their cover (and maybe their friends) and they get to show off that they already have a date with a foreigner.

So my point is, would this strategy work outside Moscow clubs? Are there queues of girls waiting to get in, or at loose ends because they cannot get in, who would be ripe for an invitation to dinner or drinks elsewhere?

GT

[DownUnder]

Thanks guys, especially Doc. Single mom usually do come with more emotional bagage but on the flip side are less into looks and more into a good provider (not neccesarily a "sugar daddy"). I have the best luck meeting them on the internet as well just is everyday outing's as many seem to stuck in dead end jobs.

Can't wait for the day I can finally make down to Moscow !

[Piper1]

Still planning for Moscow last week of June. St. Pete may be off the itinerary since my pal there had to leave town suddenly with a black eye.

Are there any good towns near Moscow (ie a few hours by train) to stay a night or two and have fun with the local gals? I've RTFF for "other areas" in Russia (great reading guys), but still no idea of the travel distances. Ufa looks interesting.

[Etaoin2003]

pro who speak english.


From what I can tell, "I speak English" is a signal that "I charge 3 or 4 times as much as everybody else."

In my travels I have never had a problem with language; we both know what I'm after. :-)

A question for all: Other than the obvious "how do I get there," is there a reason to fret about the "I don't speak Russki" issue?

[Doctor_Skank]

GT:

Great to see guys thinking outside of the box!

Trolling outside clubs is a great idea, although there are a couple of concerns.

Generally if you see a crowd outside of a club it is a good sign... it means the club is popular. The crowd can be there for 3 reasons:

1) there is face control and they are lined up waiting to get inside (if they get inside at all). This could mean either the club is full or simply (and more commonly) that the club has a strict face control policy in an effort to maintain or establish the club as one of Moscow's elite exclusive "in" clubs.

2) there is a cover charge and people are lined up to pay. You will find cover charges on the weekends at most mid-level clubs, usually between 150-300 rubles ($5-10).

3) the crowd is just outside to have a breather, get reception on their phones or meet friends. These people have already been inside and have a stamp for reentry.

There are definitely lots of opportunities to meet people in front of the club, that is for sure. Please note the following however:

A) elite clubs:

Elite clubs like Dagilev or First do not have cover charges, they all have free entrance (except for maybe on some special event nights like Halloween, New Year etc.). The deal is, you either get in or you dont. Unless you have a club card, there is no guarantee that you'll get in. I've never personally tried to bribe my way in to a club, but have seen people (usually expats) try to bribe the face control with 500 rubles and get rejected. The best clubs can afford to turn people away and in fact live by the perceived exclusivity of their club. Face control for girls is even stricter than it is for guys. The clubs want rich and important guys in the club and beautiful or important girls in the clubs trying to meet the rich and important guys. Face control is completely unpredictable... I've seen really hot chicks brutally denied (they even broke down crying in shame) and totally hideous people get in. It can also be harder to get in with a girl than without... so if you select a girl outside to help her get in the club, there is no guarantee that you will get in and she may actually hinder your entrance.

You can buy a club card, but for a good club this will set you back at least $500... and there is no guarantee that you will even be able to buy one. And a club card does not mean you can just bring in anyone or however many people you want. Once I actually had one of my gfs denied entrance with me at a club where I actually had a club card (a gift from the former First art director) because she looked too young and dressed too sluttily (I wasnt complaining, I like that look...)... she really does look like she's early teens even though she just turned 20 and she has to show ID everywhere, which makes me feel delightfully debauched. We ended up going to Fabrique on that night instead (by the way Fab is a nice pseudo-elite club not far from the Baltshug Kempinski Hotel), but the 3 minute "walk of shame" from the former First location (has since moved) to Fabrique was quite embarassing with my jail-bait look-a-like bride in tow. Actually, a Russian guy probably would have just went into First and left his girl standing on the street with the crowd wanting to get in... :)

So in terms of elite clubs, you might find great girls outside waiting to get in who will be very grateful if you get them in, but you should be very confident that you will in fact get in with her. It can work though, as 109 (a fellow ISG member and Moscow's resident strip club expert) used the "I'll help you in the club" method with success on a few occasions.... but also had a club card in hand assuring at least his own entrance.

As far as getting into elite clubs in general, its an imperfect science, but you shouldnt be intimidated. Well-dressed 35+ years, confident and made of money is a look that works wonders in Moscow.

B) mid-level clubs with entrance fee:

Mid-level clubs like Park Avenue Disco, Neo, Lionheart etc. do charge cover on the weekends and a lot of the girls there won't have much money, so the idea is a good one. Nonetheless most girls who do go there will have enough money to at least get in, at least I've never noticed any crowd of girls trying to get in and not having the $5 it takes to get a ticket. Where you might have better luck is at venues with concerts, such as B2 or 16 Tons, which have concerts charging cover of $10-20. I have invited girls in before at concerts and on more than one occasion it did lead to TLS (Temporary Love Syndrome) with a Hollywood-esque happy ending.

I definitely like your idea though, and you should at least try it. The main key to success in Russia, and I cant emphasize this enough, is to simply talk to a lot of girls. Any number of schemes or methods might work, but the important thing is to make contact and go with them... you never know where a simple question or comment might lead. If you speak English to them, many will wave you off or shrug their shoulders as they dont understand, but occasionally one will bite. It really doesnt hurt to try.

One trick I have used with success is inviting girls in a club to another club. Particularly if the club you are in is not happening, you can suggest going to another club or even straight to your apartment for some drinks... and take her whole horde with you if she is shy about leaving alone with a guy... which she often will be. A lot of the girls really only have enough money to go to a single club and buy 1-2 drinks. You can definitely put your money to work here. This can also work with girls leaving a club, asking them to go somewhere else with you or back to your apartment to have a drink, but this last chance grasp at glory will just as often fail as well.

[Rus Love]

Found some girls in Moscow who agree for photoshootings. I mean hot pix. Looking for friends who's interested for sharing price. If anybody interested PM me.

[Gentleman Travel]

Elite clubs like Dagilev or First do not have cover charges, they all have free entrance (except for maybe on some special event nights like Halloween, New Year etc.). The deal is, you either get in or you dont. .... I've seen really hot chicks brutally denied (they even broke down crying in shame) and totally hideous people get in. This just gets better and better!

Dyevs in distress who are not beautiful or important enough to get passed face control, but pretty enough to try, and have just had their plans for the evening upset. Perhaps they are in need of some drinks and attention by an elegant foreign gentleman? I don't mind being Plan B!


Once I actually had one of my gfs denied entrance with me at a club where I actually had a club card because she looked too young and dressed too sluttily ....Too young and slutty??? Isn't that an oxymoron?
I hope you were able to comfort her and allow her to restore her self-esteem by demonstrating that she was perfectly young and slutty for you!![/QUOTE]
So in terms of elite clubs, you might find great girls outside waiting to get in who will be very grateful if you get them in, but you should be very confident that you will in fact get in with her. This sounds like a "no lose" situation, so long as you don't promise to get her in, but simply try. If you have already been in, you've got a hand stamp that guarantees re-entry. If you get her in, you're her hero and date for now. If you are leading her in as your guest and get rejected - it is her shortcoming. Then she is ripe for an invitation elsewhere, while you make the supreme sacrifce of forgoing the pleasures of the exclusive club to be with sub-standard, insecure her! Again, maybe you can restore her self-esteem.

GT

[Helena Moscow]

... drinking too muck vodka, liking caviar, eating to much (so I'm 15 kg more than I should be), and how log is my cock...

I thank that everybody reading alaredy knows that'm liking girls, specially teens, stpecially CIM, COF and taking them anally!...
All this is no secret! Ah Ah Ah...

IT

The key word here is "READING" :). Does anybody know for sure?

[Cicciolino]

GT/Doc:

My view is - why trying outside the club if there are enough beauties in?

I tried in the last 10 years I am travelling to Moscow/Russia a lot, bad, medium and elitny clubs. Getting oldedr, I only go to the so called elitny clubs. Why joining anything else then the best? If you get in, you will find for sure what you want. There are more then enough very beautiful "freebies" in which like to catch one of the elite guys. And usually a guy get in such a club they respect as en elite man and a potenital candiate for them. I never had any problem to catch in a club such as Leto/Ocen/Zima, First, Billionaire etc. a really beautiful model type girl. The girls waiting outside are usually just not fulfilling the clubs requirements and you can belive that the face control is experienced and know very well to do a good job.

The easiest way to get in is to have a contact to the club such as to the owner, the art director , security and beeing therefore on the guest/VIP list. All other ways are not sure, even having a club card does not grant to get in. It is Moscow and there are in general not "legal" rules for such things... I had several times the problem I get easy in but must let a girl or some "collegues" outside. Helpful in Moscow is always to be selfconfident. Be arogant to the sevurty, ask always where the VIP entrance is resp. go directly to the VIP entrance and show how important you are! And, do not drive before the door with an ugly, shity Shiguly taxi:-) Either let it stop 200 meters before or rent you a driver resp. a car which proofes you are a VVIP!

Being in this elitny clubs is really a great experience. I personally prefer these experiences much more then a fuck with a good pro. Had in the past such amazing stories with and each contact opens you new doors to Moscows elitny world. With the time you can get quite familiar with!

[Doctor_Skank]

Cicciolino:

Thanks for your club insight! I dont live in Moscow and only visit the elite clubs every second month or so. When in Moscow I prefer the "Moscow mix"... student clubs, internet dating, mid-level clubs, elite clubs and occasional pros.

Like I already wrote, I also doubt the practicality or purpose of trolling in front of the elite clubs... unless you are more or less guaranteed entrance by one means or another. Nonetheless, I personally will try anything at least once... and like the way GT is thinking and scheming...

GT's enquiry is however for a first time visitor to Moscow without any connections or experience with Moscow face control etc. Certainly the "playing field" for the first-time visitor is more limited than that of one with experience, connections and an understanding of language and culture. Essentially a first time visitor is looking to score a decent chick anyway he can, at least that is the way I would be thinking.

I personally often have just as much fun or more fun with young student type girls than pretentious wanna-be model types. Maybe I relate to students better, which is a testament to my relative (im)maturity... :) I also find that many of the girls in elite clubs are hopelessly shallow and false, but they certainly do have "all the right parts in all the right places"... I've seen fellow ISG member Shostakovich in action and he is even more adept than I at scoring model-type babes, its his preferred market... I usually am attracted to and succesful with the very pretty, young but more petite type.

I also find that the more interesting "elite" girls can be found at the "art" elite clubs like Gazgolder or Mix and not necessarily at the ultra-glam places like the Zeppelin group (Leto/Osen/Zima) or First/Dagilev etc.

To each his own though, as I plan my next Moscow trip juggling through business priorities again I realize I will only have 2 or 3 free nights... I will have to prioritize... Dagilev vs. First vs. Mio vs. Cabaret vs. Skazka vs. a house party at home with jacuzzi, champagne and two teenagers from B2 is a tough call, but its wonderful to have so many excellent choices to choose from... viva la Moscow!

[Piper1]

Thanks Doc Skank and others for great insights into the Moscow scene.


GT's enquiry is however for a first time visitor to Moscow without any connections ... Essentially a first time visitor is looking to score a decent chick anyway he can, at least that is the way I would be thinking. I'm in the same boat as GT, although I'll be a second-time visitor - first visit was in 1990 as a young revolutionary. ;) Like GT, I'll be looking at various ways of enjoying pleasant female company in Moscow, but my time will be limited to about a week, so I'll start my research a few weeks before the trip.


I personally often have just as much fun or more fun with young student type girls than pretentious wanna-be model types. Doc, so would I! But since I'm over 40 (sniff, although all the girls say I look 30s, of course ;)), I wouldn't even try for young student types. I tend to go for mid to late 20s, and I'm sure there are plenty around.



Found some girls in Moscow who agree for photoshootings. I mean hot pix. Looking for friends who's interested for sharing price. If anybody interested PM me.Rus, can you wait until June? I'll bring my own camera. :)

[Cicciolino]

Doc is absoltely right saying that the mix is interesting. All what I tried to say is why always cathcing pros while a lot of other, more interesting things are available. I am immatriculated at MGU and MGIMO. From time to time I show there up to improve my "poor" language skills.

Sure, elitny clubs is one amazing thing, really great, but that's for the weekends.

Students are another great thing. Being as well a "student" opens a lot of doors at the university. There happend f.e. the story that a student (girl) catch me at the door the the internet cafe at MGU and ask me for "fire". Smoking together a cigarette, the next question has been my cell phone number. At ten in the evening I got a phone call with the question if I am alone at home and if this situation should be changed for that night. A 30 minutes later I got a visit from a beautiful, very intersting and intelligent lady, just to enjoy a nice time together without any other obligations. She wanted fun and learn something (?) about other countires etc... Such stories happend several times and I am sure gonna happen in future again and can happen for each one of us. Do not forget, MGU is big, over 40'000 students, a lot of girls, quite liberal, there is for sure someone for your taste.

Another way to meet good girls are cultural events such as concerts, theater, operas... The opportunities are unlimited and it is a lot of fun to catch a real girl in the free nature instead of paying pros. At least for me the fun is much higher.

Sure, from time to time a good pro action is not bad but go sometimes another way. That's a great opportunity to learn about the russian way of life, about the russian soul, about the russian culture.

Maybe once you will start to love this great country so much as me :-)

[It Travel]

The key word here is "READING" :). Does anybody know for sure?I wast just saying what you could describe on me (if we met)... even that if I am too drunk (not so often) It usually do not become hard! :( ...

But it's quite normal.

I think here the keyword is Exchange (in matter of experiences). ;)

IT

[Big Bro AJ]

I would like to buy a special gift for my girl friend; a necklace in white gold with one or a combination of Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond and/or Ruby.

It's not our anniversary or a special day. I don't want to buy lingerie or shoes or another cell phone. Money is not a problem, it’s gone cost me $300 at most but it’s meaning is more important than the price tag.

Do the precious stones mean anything in Russian culture?

I am aware that Russian women love expensive gifts more than rest of the others but Russians also put meanings on everything.

Maybe more symbolic meanings than others. Ex: Flowers should be in odd numbers unless it's a funeral.

Any thoughts…


Helena,

What about on women’s perspective???

[Helena Moscow]

I would like to buy a special gift for my girl friend; a necklace in white gold with one or a combination of Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond and/or Ruby.

Do the precious stones mean anything in Russian culture?

Helena,

What about on women’s perspective???

Dear Big Bro =))
Of course, precious stones mean something. The more precious the stone, the more you show that you value the girl =))))) We do like to get jewelries as presents. Very important thing is quality of stones -for some girls, like myself, for ex., low quality (or small size) stone may seem like abuse and waste of money. But if a thing is tasteful and precious enough, it's OK, pleasant. The stones themselves don't mean anything special. The only exeption is pearls - some people think that if you get pearls it means that soon you'll cry. Pearls are sometimes called "widows stone". And they always must go as a set (chain+ring+earings or at least ring+earings), never as a separate thing - it's bad luck. But some women still like pearls very much, just you have to check it before you buy.
White gold, saphare, emerald and ruby - sounds like nice combination. It's now big fashion to mix stones.

[Doctor_Skank]

I've never met a girl who complained when I gave her a pearl necklace. Except for sometimes when I sprayed some of the pearls into her hair. They hate that.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pearl+necklace

[Big Bro AJ]

Dear lovely Helena,


Like the song “…diamonds are girls best friend…” But I better keep the giant one for a special occasion.

[Helena Moscow]

I've never met a girl who complained when I gave her a pearl necklace. Except for sometimes when I sprayed some of the pearls into her hair. They hate that.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pearl+necklace


I'd also not complain, I like pearls, plus I know that to be ungrateful is bad manner =)))). But the necklace alone would forse me to spend money on a ring or earings. Not all people believe in that lucks-unlucks, may be your girls didn't.

[Dsmurth]

i made my first trip to moscow and needed outcall as i was with associates who are not enlightened as to our ways. i took advice from fob (friend on board) to call kristina of ecorts-elitegirls.ru . i emailed kristina before trip asking for sabina for the night sunday and she told me she would reserve her and what a great choice i made. i was specific about dfk and some other fun stuff.

sunday night a girl shows up who is a 6/10 and clearly not sabina. i tell kristina i only want her 2 hours and k starts her "we had a deal" speech, upon which i informed her i was not stupid and if she would like i would send yana out immediately or keep her for 2 hours. k was taken back and then agreed to send another girl to add to the evening for a discount and some 2+1 action. that was just doubling the worthless 2 hours. yana is nice and fun but not into even touching another girl. yana kept laughing when miss-forgotten-name was moaning like a wounded cat every time i touched her. i finally just closed my eyes and dreamed of tyra doing denise richards while listening to the wounded cat.

day 2
k calls me asking how i liked it and following my education learned from murillo (portugal), doc, and other mentors, i explained my displeasure in very strong terms. no dfk, no sabina, her dishonesty... she guarantees me to send the right girl and tells me how i need to meet irina and natsya. i give her a priority of three different girls for 10pm. "1 girl" i say, "and if she is not whom i ask for i will send her back". now i know in my business head that k is ... well let's say ... not exactly reputable and honest. 10pm 2 girls show up 1 claiming to be katya. she is not, she is clearly irina and her friend natsya. i call k and just for sport give her hell while smiling and winking at the girls in front of me. they have a great time listening to me give k absolute hell. k puts me on hold and calls them repeatedly. now i am sitting 1 m from them, i am now thinking this k is a nut case, has one oar in the water kind of person. however i finally tell k quit calling i hang up and i keep both girls and we have a party for $500 the night. irina is a sweatheart and very sexy but no dfk but she likes to touch and kiss the other girls body.

day 3
k calls about 416 times to my mobile while i am in business meetings. i am now thinking she is crazy. i finally call her back that night and tell her that i know she has about 6 girls and most of her pictures are fake and she would do better telling people the truth. she wants to debate it with me telling me she can send somene else. i finally hang up on her and turn off my phone.

lessons: kristina is a nut case. russian college girls 6/10 and 7/10 are very friendly and available, hotel girls are in lobbies, english is pretty common in moscow <25 yr olds, there are some smoking hot girls in the shops in malls, there must be better agencies, kristina is a nut case (did i mention that!).

good hunting,

dave

[CA Traveler]

Helena... dear! Me thinks thee do not understand the "pan Amerikasky" humour of the infamous and evil "doktor skank"...

HINT... Think of a "liquid" pearl necklace... OR perhaps you prefer that he supplement his pearl necklace with rim shots to your ears as well the double strand on your neck???? Each to their own I suppose! :)

[Helena Moscow]

Helena... dear! Me thinks thee do not understand the "pan Amerikasky" humour of the infamous and evil "doktor skank"...

HINT... Think of a "liquid" pearl necklace... OR perhaps you prefer that he supplement his pearl necklace with rim shots to your ears as well the double strand on your neck???? Each to their own I suppose! :)


Dear Ca T.
I am not American and I'm not supposed to understand all your jokes. I thought that the guys spoke about real presents for their girlfriends and really were interested in my opinion. If not - I don't mind. It would be funny to see how you understand Russian jokes spoken by Russians on Russian sleng. Do you, by the way speak any Russian? Or you spread your "pearls" around in silence?

[Doctor_Skank]

VV:

Thank god I am not French... although I really do admire the French for many things, French cinema, French pride and nationalism (a healthy national pride is the core of every great people), France's historical achievements (particularly for their support of America and American democracy during the birth of our nation) etc... so dont take me the wrong way... every nation has its charms, shames and value. But yeah, I am happy to be American, just as you are happy to be French and Helena Russian.

Helena:

We certainly understand you are not American and no, we wont understand all your мать humour, even though we wish we could... сука буду-не забуду...


And Big Bro, because he is an honest and caring man, WAS speaking about real presents for his serious girlfriend. I think its great that he is showing his special girl his feelings. When a man and woman "click" it is great and nothing in the world can take that joy away from them. Happiness between a man and a woman, on whatever level, is one of the fundemental joys of life and something to be cherished beyond compare. I am sure your advice on jewelry helped him (I also noted your comments) and since ISG is really an almost exclusive gang of men, we really do appreciate all your input... so please keep posting your feminine thoughts!

I was just making a joke about the term "pearl necklace", being facetious and pointing to the humorous context that "pearl necklace" has in English. Sorry if you didnt understand, but my dear Helena, you obviously dont read the posts of others in detail. All you had to do was click on the link I put in my post and you would have known what I was talking about. So maybe next time you should think twice when your next customer says " darling would you like a lovely pearl necklace?" But if its me, please say, "Yes dear, give me your best pearl necklace, just not in my hair"

[CA Traveler]

dear helena...
I know I would not understand, at least in Russian, your Russki humor... My Russian is limited to DA, which is the only word I wait for...

Also, please do not take my clarification of doc's post in jest as an insult to you, personally, or to your English skills! I can only hope that one day my Russian skills will be half of what your English skills are today!

CT

[Helena Moscow]

QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]:

All you had to do was click on the link I put in my post and you would have known what I was talking about. So maybe next time you should think twice when your next customer says " darling would you like a lovely pearl necklace?" But if its me, please say, "Yes dear, give me your best pearl necklace, just not in my hair"[/QUOTE]

I clicked. I thought where would be a picture, but there was something like jargon speaking, so I thought you gave this link by mistake. I never heard that men (clients or not) would speak anything like that, if they spoke of stones, rings or necklaces, they meant real ones. I'd really get upset if someone made such a stupid joke on me. And I think if a man would mean something real and I'd make such a joke in return, it could be taken as abuse, especially if he didn’t understand American humor.

[Starchild2012]

Doc give it to her....you can;t win her in perspective talking..she gets everything right in the end...

[Doctor_Skank]

HM:

I think you are still failing to understand the joke. No one would promise a girl a real "pearl necklace" and then just jizz on her tits, and then laugh ha ha. Its meant as a slang term from the outset and is usually just spoken between men talking about sex anyway. Most English-speaking girls would understand though. I was just hoping to add to your cultural education. Just as in Russian mat, American/English slang is diverse enough that native English speakers could speak about sex at length and an non-native probably wouldnt understand much, even though if you think about the words in context it does make sense.

I am sure there are Russian slang equivalents to things like "pearl necklace' that you would instantly understand without thinking twice...but never mind.

This "conversation" does however demonstrate a common problem though, communication or lack thereof.

[Dave Carrera]

I will be heading to Moscow on May 7th after 3 days in St. Petersburg; I will be staying in the Hyatt in Moscow and the Novotel in St Pete. Any recommendations for guaranteed first closs mongering would be very appreciated. I will be traveling with 3 friends, and we all have our own rooms or suites.

I really could use guidance or a guide while there to be able to maximize the club, banya, and salon scenes...HELP!

Dave

[Helena Moscow]

HM:

I think you are still failing to understand the joke. Most English-speaking girls would understand though. I was just hoping to add to your cultural education.
I am sure there are Russian slang equivalents to things like "pearl necklace' that you would instantly understand without thinking twice...but never mind.


Ok, ok, Skank, now I understood and enlarged my vocabulary ;). Peace. By the way, it's really strange, but we have no any equivalents to this "necklace" in Russian slang. If you ever hear it from your Russian men-friends, please, let me know =)))))))))), my Russian skills also need to improove from time to time.

[Big Bro AJ]

World of language is unbelievable. One word, one meaning caused such a commotion in thoughts.

Anyway, thanks for the advices and PMs…

From my view ISG is not only an ego-satisfying forum. It is more like an online life college. Experts, mentors, juniors and rookies…

Not only we share our experiences, but also we learn a lot from others true-life experiences.

Sex or how to get laid were not the only topics. ATM machine problems, using credit cards, semi pros, freebies, ways to find cheap flights, sponsoring and so many other discussions were made.

Maybe I am too optimistic or try to look in different perspective, but in this crazy world, mongering and related experiences are the flavors of our (or only mine) uniformed life.

[Lorenzo Rome]

Dear friends,

I will be in Moscow in May for few days at WTC hotel.

Does anyone know if there prof or semipr working at WTC?

Thanks,

Lorenzo

[Helena Moscow]

Dear friends,

I will be in Moscow in May for few days at WTC hotel.

Does anyone know if there prof or semipr working at WTC?

Thanks,

Lorenzo


There are some girls working inside the hotel.
If you deside to invite girls from outside, better arrange it in advance, before 9 o'clock, because after this time security start to squeeze the money (50$ for girl's entrance). You'll also have to meet the girl downstairs and take her out. In the morning or day time no such problems. Girls come and go easily, security "don't see" them.

[Rocco999]

Hi people!

Was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with,street walkers in Moscow? I would love to hear some reports about how it was!

[CA Traveler]

R999.... Unlike in the 90's, SW in Moscow are few and far between. There may be a few around Pushkin Square, but for the most part they are rip-off artists. The tochka takes the place of the street walkers and is probably the reason the city gov't tolerates them. There are many, many reports on tochkas, line-ups, in the forum.

[It Travel]

Unfortunately I’m not travelling to Moscow in these days… but to annoying parts of Sweden, and France :(

But I made some sponsorship agreement with some girls. Of course they are not stunners. But I prefer normal type and a little more involved. Not like a log in the bed!

So I finally got an agreement with Iriska and one of her friend (not lesbians) but threesome… 250 USD/day for her (anal included this time!) and 200 for her friend. But the funny thing is that I have to handover the money only to her in the bathroom. I suppose the other girl gets 80 or something so… So she started a real business! :)

Finally I agreed on a 48 hour basis for 900 USD (two girls, one anal, both CIM COF and whatever) if the other girl agrees for anal too it will be 100 more. It doesn’t seems too much for me. Of course I have to feed them (not only with cum), but the Iriska experience was interesting, even with swallowing so… why not? They are not expensive on feeding

The other one is the chubby one (Sveta). Surely she is not a photo model, but she agreed on a three-four days time. Anal included (only once a day! :( :( ). And I like her very much. Really blonde… I’m thinking to the pink between the legs… she said she loves to be licked there… so there will be a lot of DATY, and she is soft but firm in the same time. The other interesting thing is her tongue end her loving to suck… I think I can get swallowing here too. All for food and something around 6.000 RUR.

Unfortunately Iriska and her friend (Olya) are not lesbians, I’ll try in any case, but otherwise I would have tried to get them with cum sharing… and face tongue cleaning after COF. Let’s see if I show them a Franklin!

The most funny thing for me (European) is that they make no difference between USD and €, so, of course I pay them in USD!

I add some photos. Don’t ask me by PM for telephone numbers before my next trip.. after they are all yours!

I’m enclosing a picture of Iriska and Olya. One of Olya, and a couple of the chubby Sveta… as said not stunners but nice naïve fucking material!

[Lollo Frollo]

Unfortunately I’m not travelling to Moscow in these days… but to annoying parts of Sweden, and France :(

But I made some sponsorship agreement with some girls. Of course they are not stunners. But I prefer normal type and a little more involved. Not like a log in the bed!

So I finally got an agreement with Iriska and one of her friend (not lesbians) but threesome… 250 USD/day for her (anal included this time!) and 200 for her friend. But the funny thing is that I have to handover the money only to her in the bathroom. I suppose the other girl gets 80 or something so… So she started a real business! :)

Finally I agreed on a 48 hour basis for 900 USD (two girls, one anal, both CIM COF and whatever) if the other girl agrees for anal too it will be 100 more. It doesn’t seems too much for me. Of course I have to feed them (not only with cum), but the Iriska experience was interesting, even with swallowing so… why not? They are not expensive on feeding

The other one is the chubby one (Sveta). Surely she is not a photo model, but she agreed on a three-four days time. Anal included (only once a day! :( :( ). And I like her very much. Really blonde… I’m thinking to the pink between the legs… she said she loves to be licked there… so there will be a lot of DATY, and she is soft but firm in the same time. The other interesting thing is her tongue end her loving to suck… I think I can get swallowing here too. All for food and something around 6.000 RUR.

Unfortunately Iriska and her friend (Olya) are not lesbians, I’ll try in any case, but otherwise I would have tried to get them with cum sharing… and face tongue cleaning after COF. Let’s see if I show them a Franklin!

The most funny thing for me (European) is that they make no difference between USD and €, so, of course I pay them in USD!

I add some photos. Don’t ask me by PM for telephone numbers before my next trip.. after they are all yours!

I’m enclosing a picture of Iriska and Olya. One of Olya, and a couple of the chubby Sveta… as said not stunners but nice naïve fucking material!


Students or not, form your report they don’t seem to be professionals with an add over the web.
How do you get in contact with girls in Moscow?
THX

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Students or not, form your report they don’t seem to be professionals with an add over the web.
How do you get in contact with girls in Moscow?
THX

Of course they ad...
On Russian sites for sponsorship... like www.omen.ru

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