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It Travel

05-06-06, 20:28

Got to Moscow at last.

Here’s my small contribution. I spent 3 days (and too much money) in Moscow. Sorry for being too short, I’ll add more sensible things a bit later.

Just a few remarks:

No chance to find a salon without phone advice the choice is fairly good, but the real girls, as usual, not that perfect as on the site – art –shoot rules. Tried 2 of them (different salons), both were experts despite of their age. Not rut, but sincere delight. It looked like I was a vip client for both. Enjoyed them very much.

It may be just my luck, but I was pleased utterly.

I put a notice about difficulties when locating the salons – I really tried to connect to 4 of them, but one didn’t answer at all, the other told me the named girls were busy and offered another ones, but I refused. I used information from the sites of some agencies and from the directory http://www.russiansexbombs.com.

So, what a look! – a great many prodigious girls are there on Moscow streets. I didn’t know which side to look first!

This June I’m going to visit Saint-Petersburg during “white nights” and surely won’t waste my limited time in vain. There’s no need to search for somebody in salons – Petersburg escorts are also available on the above site.

Moscow forever, guys! Russian ballet forever! And Russian babes forever too.

I am very sorry to see this. If a site needs money to be seen (14.95 USD per month!) it’s not a Russian ads site for pros… They pay! Usually they get a full service.. approx. 150/200 USD a month for 2/3 photo services a year including ads with 6/8 pics in one or two linked sites (these are the prices of www.intimcity.ru).

Then, just as a first contribution, a link to a pay site where I see a lot of cities not in Russia and even see old photos (she is not using them more) of Diana/Alisa! How many time I’ve taken her sweet rear entrance and posted pics here!… I know her well… In two different she ads one with Anal one without.. It’s her speciality… seems impossible.

http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-4252.html
This you find also in special search using anal key word…

http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-1868.html
This is advertised as another girl… no anal… Diana? She fucks you with a vibrator all inside!

Then I see http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-4117.html: she is a model on a lot of teen sites, in US I suppose…

Then as last why should I pay just for getting something I get much better at www.intimcity.ru or whatever…

Getting to Salons is very easy get some phones… take a taxi, give the phone to the taxi driver and you will be there!

By the way how much did you paid? For what? Drinks where extras? Etc etc.

In my opinion this is a SC: “Suspect Contribution”.

Sorry for that!

SC: a new acronym for IWSG!

I really hope I’m wrong.

IT

PS in any case this site seems really fake!!!

Banana Finger

05-08-06, 18:22

Just arrived in Moscow and booked a three way fuck fest for later tonight - fingers crossed its fun!

Anyway, a quick question for all you experts out there who have managed to get inside a dyevs head - out of a $100 I pay a girl from an agency, what does she get and what does the agency/madam get? Thus, if a girl gives you her number directly do you still pay her at the same rate or would you expect a discount?

No one responded to my previous question about strip clubs - out of the moscow strip clubs that you have been to, which is you favourite/would you recommend?

BF

Gentleman Travel

05-08-06, 19:38

There have been a couple of posts on the General and Moscow threads that I would like to get feedback on.

Basically, are www.bad-russian-girls.com and www.russiansexbombs.com legitimate? The problem is that both these sites charge a membership fee (I think $15/month) whereas in many other cases russian escorts pay for their own ads. Perhaps it is because these sites operate in English, so they need (or can command) a premium from users. But maybe they are just compilation sites - like so many "brides" sites are - recirculating images and data gleaned off original sites. Or worse, just model photos put up to generate subscription fees.

I see Helena Moscow listed on both these sites, with what appears to be accurate info, so I assume they are not a total scam. Helena, did you list your services on these sites and can you comment on these sites?

The sites are displayed in English, but very few of the girls mention English language, so I wonder if it is assumed that most do, or just left unsaid, so we assume (mistakenly) they speak English?

Another site I wonder about is www.aprettywoman.com. It is more of a "bride" site, but one in which the girls do not speak so much of marriage - so it looks like they are more "open minded" about the kinds of relationships they are seeking. Which is great, but I wonder also if it is just a fees and mail-forwarding scheme. Has anyone actually connected with a girl from this site?

Any feedback would be welcome,

Gentleman Traveller

Udo1054

05-08-06, 20:13

It Travel

05-09-06, 08:10

I have been to moscow last week. It was my first time. Unfortunately I was sent by my company for working on an emergency project. So almost no time was left for exploring the "normal" bar scene. It was wonderful. So many beautiful women in the streets. So well dressed and all. And when we went for dinner - almost nothing but topshots all around. Thanks to this forum I ventured twice to Night Flight. Wow - what a selection to choose from. But was it stupid me or just inflation? None of the girls started the negotiations for anything below US $ 400. And they always left open whether it is for LT or ST. With Anna from Moscow I agreed on 300 LT, but she did not do BBJB or anal. It was good. But when it was over after a little bit more than two hrs she was quick to leave at about 3am. Same story with tall and even more beautiful Svetlana. No BBJB, almost no kissing. So it was ok. But expansive. Are they now all going for 300 - 500?

Dear friend,

as I told several times in my reports this is one of the things i do not like in Bar mongering… perhaps beautiful girls but…

You find a lot of girls in the 250 350 USD class on internet sites. All willing, all kissing, many doing anal BBBJ and even CIM or COF.

In the past I was also a bar monger (but it was 100 USD, and it was obvious it was for all the night), now they are trying to get a second shot.

For that price for two hours you can go to the most beautiful salons in Moscow and get real stunners. This is another option in my opinion.

Of course as Dr Skank says thanks God tastes are different, but I prefer overnighter… you can still find beautiful teens doing nearly everything for 250… just search the web (in Russian non the ones in English for foreigners).

IT

CA Traveler

05-09-06, 08:42

udo... welcome to Moscow! Enjoy yourself and feel free to wire in extra money if you want to have a really good time!

Doctor_Skank

05-09-06, 08:48

Udo1054:

NF prices are generally $250+ for 2-3 hours. Price is also affected by time of night, how busy NF is etc.... so you can always meet girls who will insist on $300+... and get it from someone. As always, overnight is negotiable... but many girls will try to escape before morning if they can, even if overnight was negotiated. BBBJ is also negotiable and I always insist on it. If a girl wont agree, then I dont go with her. Some girls (and I think this number is increasing) insist on condom for everything. Given the nature of their business, I dont blame them.

As we stated before, NF can be a very fun place, but also the most well-known and also "the lazy man's solution", so you do get a lot of businessmen from around the world there who dont know of any other places, are afraid to venture off Tverskaya or are on expense accounts and really dont care what the prices are. The girls all know this and charge accordingly.

As IT mentioned, the better performers are often found among the semi-pros, young girls who have internet profiles on dating websites. The vast majority of their clients are Russians. The websites are usually in Russian only and 98% of the people using the sites are Russian.

You can also try the internet portals which are purely devoted to prostitution, such as www.dosug.nu... This will also give you an idea on prices in the Moscow market.

To successfully navigate Moscow's prostitution world, speaking at least conversational Russian helps tremendously. There are agencies and websites devoted to English-speaking customers (see the classified ads section of this forum or just check the Moscow Times or Exile magazines). They might charge slightly more, but the difference isnt dramatic.

Basically however you are right. Prices have gone up... of course they have.

An overnighter (meaning 5-6 hours) will cost $200-300 at least. You can still get overnighters for $100-150, but it is harder and harder to find. My attitude is that if you come to Moscow to monger, you should just budget in more cash for your trip than you used to. Moscow is a great mongering destination, but isnt a budget one.

It Travel

05-09-06, 08:53

Dear Gentlemen

In my opinion all this pay sites are just for getting your money, some are even sending spy ware.

The dynamic of ads in Russian sites is very simple… the girls pays and have all the interest that the most of surfers see the ad… So why getting paid? Seems stupid.

If you look at my reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454405&postcount=463

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454407&postcount=464

you can easily see how many sites there are only in Moscow!

Here you get even comments form other customers (at least on www.dosug.nu, www.intimcity.ru, www.red-club.ru, www.ston.ru) and even ratings!

Going via some translator it’s even possible to easily access them even if your Russian is very basic. Some girls will not go for a foreigner, but if you call tell them the hotel and the apartment number in a simple way… It’s often done. I had some problems only with nice ones doing no hotel visits so I gave the number to my driver, or got in the area by metro ad got a car… It’s quite simple once you are in the system.

IT

It Travel

05-10-06, 08:51

I decide to answer to a PM not privately on ground I think the question s of public interest.

It’s on internet site girls.

Of course there is no guarantee that the pictures are matching, and even in this case the pic can be photo shopped, the girls can have a very good make up etc.

Generally speaking price do not have much to do with this. You see clearly fake pics at 400 USD class or at 150 and the reverse is true also.

How to choose a girl?

Some advice from my experience:

a) surf the time you need in advance and choose between 10 and 20 girls, if you can not use your laptop print some pages…

b) prefer less beautiful but homemade pics they are surely true.

c) start phoning not late (approx 8-9 PM) and make a meeting at your room or in the lobby or whatever. So you can see the girl if you do not like just send her away with some tips for taxi (500 RUR will be enough). So you can get another and even a late choiche from the hotel selection if you fail...

d) If you want to get her more and once tell her immediately that you will phone tomorrow or whatever.

Chose form a site where there are users comments or use www.sextalk.ru (most are www.intimcity.ru; www.red-club.ru; www.dosug.nu; www.ston.ru)

I’ll post here some samples of pics you can see… some surely OK some surely fake some heavily photo shopped, it’s not difficult to see the difference. By the way if the pics is photo shopped usually the girl is exactly that but she has some little problems she try to avoid…

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27875
This pictures seems lightly photo shopped, but there are favourable comments, even the price class is right.

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27137
Good studio made photos, probably it’s her… but who knows…

http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/14572/2
Home made pics, the type I prefer. The girl is surely real, and often better than in picture, the only problem is that it’s really she?

http://www.ston.ru/list.php?foto=p15886_2.jpg&g=Индивидуалки&link=15886
Cheap stuff, with quite good rating but as you well see a lot of Photo shopping… surely she had a child or two, or three… But can even be a choice if you do not care.

http://dosug.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=6677&n=3
Quite surely good and real pics, but a little bit overpriced (500 USD !)

http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16795?age_to=19
This is true and the girl is she simply because I fucked her…

http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/14998?age_from=20&age_to=22
An obvious fake pic… 120 USD a night? I’ll take the plane this afternoon… and book her for a week!

http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16683?age_from=20&age_to=22
Another probable fake on ground this girl is a model for some site (with this dress!)

http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/12717?age_from=20&age_to=22
Another fake… she is in Kiev and working at Gia (good fuck!)

Of course there is an alternative: go to a small or big Salon, look at the, test (on hour) and then take them home. Thre are big and luxurious and some really naïve laike this. Surely the girls are real (never been but…)
http://www.red-club.ru/?with_phone=(495)%20789-07-49

Hoping to be useful…
IT

Lollo Frollo

05-10-06, 10:10

It Travel

05-10-06, 12:10

IT Traveller, Thanks Thanks Thanks
Information you gave are very useful.
I can now imagine that during a possible trip to Russia I won’t be alone or cheated (hopefully)
***
Can you please tell us also if prices reported over the sites are reliable?
Meaning when you get the chosen girl is she giving all the services she is offering over the web for the price asked over the web or is there any need to negotiate?

Dear Lollo Frollo (nice name by the way!),

Have you ever seen a Russian (Soviet!) menu?

140/20/15/5… is this kind of thing familiar… If so, do not worry, if a thing is offered it’s so… This even applies to prices.

It might be that for a 1.000 RUR or for a 50 USD note you get some extras like BBBJ, CIM, or Anal. But even that for 100 USD you do not even get a kiss (if not offered!).

I think i’ts all…

Bye

IT

Helena Moscow

05-10-06, 18:19

I see Helena Moscow listed on both these sites, with what appears to be accurate info, so I assume they are not a total scam. Helena, did you list your services on these sites and can you comment on these sites?

Did you really see me on these sites? Good news ;). The matter is that I tried to register there several tomes, but never received a confirmation letter from their admins. These sites don't charge girls for listing. Probably this is the reason why they want to charge clients. To my mind, with such great ammount of free escort web-sites in the net, it's impossible to pay anything at all for adverticement. Sites multiply and disappear, if you pay to everyone who asks, you can soon bunkrupt. The only exception is ISG, because It's really extremely useful, exists for a long time and the cost of membership is reasonable. Probably girls who prefer Russian clients find paying for popular sites listings good for business. But I have worked through the net for about 5 month, without even a normal web-site and portfolio, just with 2-3 pictures made by myself in front of mirror, and, still, business goes OK. When I publish my new beautiful site with professional photos, I expect an explosion of calls. And still I don't plan to spend any extra money on promotion. Because the best thing about the internet is that all is possible to find here absolutely for free, just may be you'll need a little bit more information and time.

Helena Moscow

05-10-06, 18:45

Anyway, a quick question for all you experts out there who have managed to get inside a dyevs head - out of a $100 I pay a girl from an agency, what does she get and what does the agency/madam get? Thus, if a girl gives you her number directly do you still pay her at the same rate or would you expect a discount?

Agency gets from 30 to 60% of girls' money, usually 50%. If you meet the same girl without the agency, you are expected to pay the same - no discount, because otherwise there is no reason to cheat the agent. There is always a risk that you'll tell the agent about your direct appointments, which may spoil relationships between the girl and the agent, and as a result the agent will give her less job. By the way, it's not easy to find good agents, so nobody wants to loose them without a reason. There is another point - it's psycologically important for a girl how much the client paid (it's sometimes even more important than how much she gets from this amount). Each girl has a limit below which she will not go. Usually this limit is the lowest price of the agency she works for. Example: a girl works through some agency, client pays 150$, 30% of which goes to the agent, girl feels OK. Another situation: the same client (or another) tries to get her at 100$ directly, but she may refuse, because fucking for 100$ can make me feel cheap, though it will be the same amount at hands.

Doctor_Skank

05-10-06, 22:08

First of all thanks to Helena for her inside scoop.

I think the central motivation for skipping the agent is not necessarily to save the agency fee, but rather to assure that the girl is getting the entire amount you are paying her. Whether or not her getting the entire amount will affect her performance or motivation is up to the girl, but it still should make the paying john feel better... I know I prefer when the deal is direct.

I think it is important to not be too cheap with the girls. I dont mean we should over pay by any means and I myself try to pay not more than $150-200 for the night or $100-150 for 2-3 hours... which is middle range in terms of Moscow pricing, but sometimes an extra $50 can make a big difference to her or to the chemistry of the meeting... no girl likes a guy who keeps haggling about the price and trying to push it down to an absolute minimum... and quite frankly, I believe the Russian mentality simply doesnt respect this "nickle and diming". Lets face it, if you cant afford an extra $50, then maybe Moscow isnt the right place for you.

Strip clubs:

Check out 109's comprehensive report:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=381135&postcount=2893

Big Bro AJ

05-11-06, 06:49

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
but sometimes an extra $50 can make a big difference to her or to the chemistry of the meeting... no girl likes a guy who keeps haggling about the price and trying to push it down to an absolute minimum... and quite frankly, I believe the Russian mentality simply doesnt respect this "nickle and diming". Lets face it, if you cant afford an extra $50, then maybe Moscow isnt the right place for you.

QUOTE]

Not only extra $50, but also extra $100 can open unexpected doors...

I am there for quality cuisine, throwing party with friends and sex. So I have never cried for what I spend.

Yes, Moscow is expensive, but full of opportunities. Sometimes extras add more flavour to the services. If I am gone have sinful threesome with extra $150 than what’s the bang…

It Travel

05-11-06, 07:09

I agree with Dr Skank, as usual by the way!

I’m staying around 100-150 USD for a Salon visit (two hours) and at 200/300 USD for an overnighter, sometimes it means only 5-6 hours sometimes it means a really GFE overnight from 8 PM to 10 AM. This of course depends on the girls (Agency etc.)

By the way the prices are sometimes very interesting: if you go to a house of three/four girls, often you can get a nice threesome (two hours) for approx 200/250 USD. Often the girls are really nice. You can check on the sites…

In some hotels (I always avoid these girls) ugly ones are priced at 100.150/hour sometimes even 200!

By the way to Europeans: use dollars or roubles. Thre are still young teens and even older girls thinking that 1 € is 1 USD!

Usually my normal standard (when I have plenty of time) is simple: a early come in, drinks food (by room service) and a lot of sex of course, including all the extras (BBBJ, CIM, Photo, Anal. etc.). So usually a overnighter with all the extra stuff goes on 9.000-11.000 RUR Inluding security bribe for 1.000.

I prefer the Russian system of hotels on ground you should have the girl in the room before 11 PM, at the front security desk they will register her, and with all I’ve heard on robbing and so on (having PC etc with me) it’s worth it. I never had any problem.

IT

Lollo Frollo

05-11-06, 09:25

First of all thanks to Helena for her inside scoop.

I think the central motivation for skipping the agent is not necessarily to save the agency fee, but rather to assure that the girl is getting the entire amount you are paying her. Whether or not her getting the entire amount will affect her performance or motivation is up to the girl, but it still should make the paying john feel better... I know I prefer when the deal is direct.

***
I do agree with Doctor_Skank for his reasons plus the fact that in most countries, including mine, the “agency” business is illegal, the girls business is not.
I find in this low construction ethically related, at least in my view, but I do understand this is very personal.
In addition to this when you get in contact with non agency coordinated girls you have more chances to have a better appointment and sometimes also true sex.
***
Having said that it is not simple at all to come to meet such girls.

Lollo

CA Traveler

05-11-06, 17:25

Last year I had a heck of a time getting from Moscow to Odessa and back. Aerosvit just this month began non-stop 737 service between Odessa and Moscow. It will fly 5 days per week this summer. This will make it much easier for someone who wants to do both ODS and Moscow in the same trip. Plus, it will make it easier for the RU girls to get to ODS! :)

Capss 005

05-15-06, 18:10

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But this is VIP ESCORT, that means that the prices are much lower than European of the same class (for comparing, in Europe it would cost 600 euro for 2-3 hours) but higher than 100 euro for 2 hours that is based prices in Moscow.http://www.escort-karolina.com/rates.html
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But this Lady is only for connoisseurs of female beauty, charm,education,good manners, for whom communication with a woman and warm atmosphere is also important ,not for those men who are looking for quick sex and cheap and as lower as possible pricing.

Good luck, dear!Hello,

I will be travelling to Moscow soon and my attention was attracted by a very well made and beautiful site www.escort-karolina.com with a very attractive girl.

I am thinking of inviting this lady for several days to show me around and to be my private companion, is there anybody who invited her to be his companion?

It was written :

That means that the young lady from this site http://www.escort-karolina.com will provide you with the indivudual approach, perfect English, warm attention,high class companion, friendly attitude ,different kind of activities, such as sightseeing(she has her own nice car, she is a born Moscovite and a guide-translator), going to clubs and popular Moscow restaurants , erotic part with wonderful underwear, beautiful striptease, for those men who value intellect, sophistication, eroticism and sensuality,beautiful body finally!

But this is VIP ESCORT, that means that the prices are much lower than European of the same class (for comparing, in Europe it would cost 600 euro for 2-3 hours) but higher than 100 euro for 2 hours that is based prices in Moscow.http://www.escort-karolina.com/rates.html
Using VIP Escort and having looked at the lady who is providing it you will understand that you shouldn't care about organising your spare time for the hours(days) you will invite her, you will not be cheated, robbed left or whatever could happen with you in such a big Megapolis as Moscow, you will not be lost and you will be cared ! and you will also be able to meet her beautifull tall and very sexy friend in case if you are a Gentlmen who is fond of being spoiled by two charming ladies: ))))
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And in fact that's what i need but i would also like to hear anything about her.

CA Traveler

05-16-06, 06:59

capss005... I know I'm getting old and jaded, but let me see if I have this straight! You are going to pay this girl over $1,000 per day to be your companion and provide full-service during your trip? I supposed she'd be willing to do the week for say... $7,000? What a deal!

Plus, add in dinner at Cafe Pushkin... You can't miss that experience... $400+ with "red wine"!

Sushi lunches with champagne, French of course no Russian/Ukrainian swill for this girl... $300.

Plus, you would never expect her to accept staying in an apartment... only the National or Hyatt will do... $450-$500 per night!

If you get get through the week for less than $12,000, you'll be damn lucky!

Now, don't get me wrong... if money is no object and if you actually are attracted to this girl... go for it! BUT, methinks you are falling into the trap many who visit a new country for the first time... they overplan!

Trust me! You'll see so many fine women in Moscow, I think you'll curse the day you ever ran across her webpage! Even in this day and age, $1,000 should buy you almost anything you want in Moscow for the day.... that's assuming that you don't want to explore a little without her tagging along.

Just my observation! Have a fun trip!

Capss 005

05-16-06, 13:16

Now, don't get me wrong. If money is no object and if you actually are attracted to this girl. Go for it! BUT, methinks you are falling into the trap many who visit a new country for the first time. They overplan!

Trust me! You'll see so many fine women in Moscow, I think you'll curse the day you ever ran across her webpage! Even in this day and age, $1, 000 should buy you almost anything you want in Moscow for the day. That's assuming that you don't want to explore a little without her tagging along.

Just my observation! Have a fun trip!

Thank you for your advice I am surely attracted to this girls! http://www.escort-karolina.com/modeljulia3.html and the prices are not high! http://www.escort-karolina.com/rates.html in Paris and London I pay 3 times more thatn that!

Your arguments can be useful for some guys but not for me, you are right in some things, but not in 1000 that can buy anything in Moscow: what is 1000 nowadays especially for a city such as Moscow that considered to be on of the most expensive ones in the world.

I prefer ladies with good education, good taste, good English and don't like hunting in the streets alone and hanging in the bars, to all that you never know who you meet in such places as Moscow and other cities of Eastern Europe, I read a good report about her in Captain 69 where a guy says that she has beautiful looks and good education

- these two things are very important for me, at least I pay 2 and sometimes 3 times more than this in London, Munich and Paris. She speaks very good English on the telephone and I heard that it's not so simple to find a girl in Moscow who will

Be speaking English fluently, and for me one of the most important things is history and culture of Moscow, and she is also a guide round the city that is also important for me at least I could talk to her about something different from where I am from and what I do in life and where I traveled, I tried cheap escorts and was very much unsatisfied, a very big difference.

To all that I am a married man and cannot afford myself meeting free women and twist them round my finger making them think that our relations can be something stable.

At least I checked 250 euro for 2 hours is a middle price for Moscow, not cheap but not too high, http://www.escort-karolina.com/rates.html

To all that I like beautifully dressed women, who can choose elegant lingerie and I have seen that there is a lot of this she has.

http://www.escort-karolina.com/modeljulia3.html

And to all I must say that it is so tiring to entertain a woman a whole evening long, then to tell her all this stuff to make her go with you and besides beautiful ladies ask for 300 or 500 for 3 hours at Nightflight and places like that I heard from my friend, if a girl asks for less than that I am sure she doesn't have enough brains and enough means to look after herself in a proper way and to all that just imagine how many men go through her! At least when you pay 300 or 500 you allways get a descent service, descent attention and a smart companion and not a shallow all the time sillily chuckling ninny who dresses and looks in a way that you stop to respect yourself that you began talking to her.

I have tried a lot of escort of high level and made a conclusion that ladies always have their own personality, wonderful figure, very well-brought up, well- groomed, well-mannered and great entertaines, they are allways very sophisticated and intersting, that's all I need and all this is in the lady from www. Escort-karolina.com as it comes from her pics and her site

So why not phoning her instead of hanging in the clubs and wasting your time.

Big Bro AJ

05-17-06, 08:11

Don't get me wrong; but you are just wasting your money for an ordinary looking escort.

At first I thought the same way, money was not issue; I could get what ever I want. YES, you can and that is the beauty of Moscow. YES, mongering is cheaper than Paris, States and other EU cities, but don’t fool yourself. It’s nonsense to spend that amount of money only one girl. No matter how well she speaks English, how well educated she is, she doesn’t deserve that much money.

There are hundreds of well-educated English speaking girls available in the market. I understand your thought; you don’t want to hang around at bars or clubs trying to find a decent girl in your taste.

Karoline or what ever her name is, she looks ordinary. There are better looking girls…

Your arguments can be useful for some guys but not for me, you are right in some things, but not in 1000 that can buy anything in Moscow: what is 1000 nowadays especially for a city such as Moscow that considered to be on of the most expensive ones in the world

Can you enlighten us, with your boundless experiences and knowledge about Moscow and Russian women? Cause it sounds like you know something that we all don’t know.

How do you know, she was her on the phone!!…Couple of good reports about her, so what…

Moscow strangely affects your senses and feelings. There are hundreds of possibilities. That’s why I don’t understand why you want to stuck only with an expensive escort.

If you really want to spend $1000 at one night, than take the two most beautiful women at NF (I am sure they can speak as good as Karoline speaks) and take a sinful journey.

You can also find English speaking, well looking girls at zna.nu Even if they do lesbi show and take you to a sinful journey with threesome, they will still cost you less than $1000.

Nobody is judging others; we are here to share our experiences.

CA Traveler

05-17-06, 08:32

c005... If this girl rocks your boat... GO FOR IT!

However, I challenge you to place an ad in omen.ru or similar websites offering $1,000 per day for one week to one OR two beautiful girls who must speak English and be university graduates and then... step back!

I suggest that you will soon be swamped with responses! EVEN if you don't post a photo.

I was also married for my most recent mongering tenure for the past 12 years and I can tell you that I understand your concern and desire to not waste time. However, in Russia it is a waste because it is too easy!

Good luck... If you take my challenge be sure to tell us if I was right or wrong.

If nothing else, the interviews will be great fun and if I still lived in Moscow, I'd post the ad just for the hell of it to see what rises to the surface!

I know if I offered $1,000 per day and a ticket to Odessa in June/July/August, I could not find enough apartments in Odessa to accommodate all of the takers!!! Now, if I could just afford to spend $20,000 per day for the top 20, I would indeed be a happy camper! :)

Helena Moscow

05-17-06, 13:18

I prefer ladies with good education, good taste, good English and don't like hunting in the streets alone and hanging in the bars, to all that you never know who you meet in such places as Moscow and other cities of Eastern Europe, I read a good report about her in Captain 69 where a guy says that she has beautiful looks and good education

- these two things are very important for me, at least I pay 2 and sometimes 3 times more than this in London, Munich and Paris. She speaks very good English on the telephone and I heard that it's not so simple to find a girl in Moscow who will

Be speaking English fluently, and for me one of the most important things is history and culture of Moscow, and she is also a guide round the city that is also important for me at least I could talk to her about something different from where I am from and what I do in life and where I traveled, I tried cheap escorts and was very much unsatisfied, a very big difference.

To all that I like beautifully dressed women, who can choose elegant lingerie and I have seen that there is a lot of this she has.

.

Tell me who doesn't have a good lingery collection in Moscow? Who is not dressing up? Who doesn't have decent education at her age and who of world-wide escorts doesn't speak English? Your message with huge amount of her links and quotations looks too much like adverticement. I'm not telling anything exact, but it starts to seem that Karolina is yourself in disguies ;). Sorry if I'm wrong.

Ira Glub

05-17-06, 17:15

Tell me who doesn't have a good lingery collection in Moscow? Who is not dressing up? Who doesn't have decent education at her age and who of world-wide escorts doesn't speak English? Your message with huge amount of her links and quotations looks too much like adverticement. I'm not telling anything exact, but it starts to seem that Karolina is yourself in disguies ;). Sorry if I'm wrong.I wasn't going to comment here but since the discussion has evolved. I meet this escort last year and was pretty disappointed. She works with a friend:

http://dosug.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=546

All I will say is that the photographer did a fantastic job!

Gentleman Travel

05-17-06, 22:11

Red-Club.com has been recommended here by many members, so I am trying to use it - I am tired of English language sites that insist on joining for a fee in order to give you contact info that the girls are probably already paying to publicize.

So the site looks good - most girls appear to be independent, which is great (more money to them instead of a pimp). And cheap!! Of course, you might get what you pay for.

Anyway, my question is - is there any way to search or identify girls there who speak some English? I can figure out what the ads say, but that won't help when I try to telephone them. Any suggestions?

GT

CA Traveler

05-18-06, 08:00

HelenaM... I think you hit the nail on the head! I must admit that thought did not cross my mind, but I suspect you are correct.

Sometimes it takes a "competitor" to sniff out the back-door advertisement! :)

Latitude Cruz

05-21-06, 06:58

I'm searching the posts and trying to figure out why I got the idea the Boar House is closed.

I can't find any posts saying the place is "closed" but I do see some talking about the original propietors opening a new place along the original spirit of the Boar House/Chesterfields.

Can anyone put this idea out of my head?

Also, I'm looking for a good lead on a Monday night watering hole (populated with beautiful semi/pro ladies preferred).

LC

CA Traveler

05-21-06, 09:07

Boarhouse/CF is definitely not closed. They've been talking about closing for over a year and at this point, who knows. Doug apparently did open a new club, a sports bar, recently and his last day at DMBH was a couple of weeks ago. I haven't been to the new place so I can't help with it's location or statua.

Latitude Cruz

05-21-06, 13:02

Info much apprreciated CA.

LC

Scoubidou

05-22-06, 15:57

I checked personnallly this location last Saturday night.

It is not closed, it was full of girls and action after midnight was a little crazy. You feel like the animal in the middle of hundred of "hunters". But, it could be very funny.
Regular girls (or the ones who want to come back without troubles) have to pay a "fee" to security / 700 RUB.

For a full night, after negociation, price is 200/300USD (average).

Price has been increased since last year (it was around 150/200USD in 2005).

Dollar is weak compare to EURO, or girls are becoming more expensive.

Let the prices made in USD, this is good for the European people.

From Night-Flight to CF (or reverse) using russian taxi you should not pay more than 100RUB (at night). Avoid taxi which are too close to the dorr of these locations and try to bargain in Russian. Foreigners or those who are speaking American-English are always surcharged.

End of the week, it is the good time to find non-pros or semi-pros girls who are very enthusiasm and really GFE.

AlCaponeClub

05-25-06, 11:56

Following the recommendation of a friend, I tried Al Capone Club / Restaurant ( Zubovsky bulvar 27-26 -5, Tel: 247-07-96, 746-3-999) tonight. It's just a five-minute-walk away from Club Rasputin but just 1/3rd in price.

Here the scheme of travel.

http://alcaponeclub.ru/modules/xt_conteudo/index.php?id=4

At restaurant, I had beer and salad for 500Rb and a good sight at girls as a ceiling at restaurant glass and from below it is well visible as dance a striptease.

Then I moved further inside to the "bar-section" where the working girls hang around.

You can get a private dance for 1000Rb, or you go straight to the room which is 800rb for the club and 3000Rb for the girl ( that's for abt. 40min ).
That is about 100USD which is ar below the posted rates of Nightflight and club Shandra.

The girls are everything from busty to skinny, abut 30% are speaking english. Most of them, I would rate around 7-8, some better some worse.

I chose Inga, a slim dark beauty of about 22 yo with firm little breasts. She attracted me by herself and following the old rules, I accepted her hoping for a good service since she apparently liked me.

After a private dance, we went to one of the rooms, got undressed and started the action. She was very much into it, although she did only CBJ, but the FS was really good due to her tight p***y.

Gentleman Travel

05-26-06, 21:44

I am surprised not to hear more about the Hungry Duck on this group.

I thought it was supposed to be one of the sex hot spots of Moscow?

Or at least a notable / must-do stop on the tourist route?

What is the Duck really like and is it a worthwhile destination for mongering?

Please enlight me.

GT

Doctor_Skank

05-26-06, 23:32

GT:

I agree, somebody has got to try that place out again.

Before 2001 Hungry Duck was considered THE must go to place in Moscow for loose women and wild parties.

Then Hungry Duck descended into a kind of sad pathetic existence in a parallel universe that wasn't quite Moscow, wasn't quite penitentiary... a truly despicable place only 2 minutes from the expat-friendly star of the early century, Karma Bar.

But recent reports suggest it might be headed back to old glory.... anybody been there recently?

Karma Police

05-27-06, 04:59

I was there just under a year ago, didn't notice any pros, but wasn't really looking for them. There were tons of youth hanging out in the dark pereulok just outside and to be honest, I felt a little scared walking up to the place. The place was a bit dirty and dingy but thats not necesseraly a negative if you like dive bars, which i do; if you are into more upscale places this is not for you.

The crowd was young with a decent ratio, mostly middle or lower middle class locals (you won't find any high end models here). I hooked up with a half armenian, half russian 19 yo from the outskirts of Moscow. She told me her and her friends tried going to one of the upscale places but couldn't get in so ended up here. Not too much of a surprise, she was hot, her friends, not so much.

Be warned: at some point in the night all the male bartenders took off their shirts, got on top of the bar, and did a dance routine to some rock ballad, not sure if it was more funny or disturbing but definitely very gay.

Helena Moscow

05-27-06, 16:28

To Karma Police

I totally agree with you that Hungry Duck is a sort dirty place in the sidestreet. I was there twice and both times felt uncomfortable and scared. But the strange thing is that my good friends, girls from Night Flight, went there quite often for a change and often met there decent clients for the same money as in NF. One girl even found there a husband ;), a NF man who never paid attention on her in NF. I never was so successful in HD, probably because I never was able to stay there for a long time... but who knows, may be I should try my luck again?

Eros74

05-27-06, 21:41

I was there in january 04, saturday night, I arrived in Shemeretyevo 2 in afternoon and in evening immediately there, I get my first pro in Moscow, 100$ and even if not a GFE but good and much better than to sleep alone.

Then I went to HD another 3 times in the same week, I saw both pro and freebie, I took nobody else home, but I get really much fun and never felt unconfortable or scared, but I danced on the table all the night, so I guess they thought I was not turist but a local. :)

Starchild2012

05-28-06, 14:30

http://red-club.ru/show/girl/16086/8

My mission in this life is over :). I just got the Perfect F**K yesterday. I just finished what I was born to do and I'm glad it was when I'm young and happy and without any baggage. I'm in my 20's folks and thats it.

Good Bye to this world, I'm already in heaven with such a beauty UNTILL..I shagged myself and was suddenly waken by the thunderous scream of this painfull world called reality and begin to doubt my destiny that I saw such a goddess.....guide me here folks...is it true that a joe next door could sleep with a goddess like that in mother russia for just 200 bucks.

Docter_Skank, CA_T..You guys have lived russia like none other....I'm in for your judgement...Is it possible to find such a beauty in this planet earth for a simple joe like me or is it just another scam of cut copy and paste from playboy.

I await your judgement mylord..for your verdict the last hope for me to rekindle my useless energy for contructive purpose instead of losing it everyday in the drain ;)

Member #4732

05-28-06, 14:41

Born Loser, nice find.

Maybe I will get off my ass in SPB and take a trip to Moscow to research this one for you. Its a tough job but someone has to do it.

Actually, I need to make a list of top choice to check out. This girl would definitely make the list.

----

On further review A Russian review of the other girl at this location is not so flattering. This in reference to Lera at same number http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16099/3

From translator:

Readout of time has gone from the moment of an input to an apartment. Tea of coffee is offered. Тапки, a towel has given. I warn!!! From a towel on a body have remained a heap of fibers so married, if to not be washed still time and not обтереться by something another, 100 % палево are provided. About the fairy - on a photo it, but it is strong отфотожоплена. In real all is easier and more prosy. The usual person, полноватая плюшевая a figure, without traces of playing sports. There are fatty folds on a stomach and бёдрах. A breast, the truth, normal двушка. През.

However, since Lera is asking $150/hr and Milena asking $200 it is possible that Milena is significantly better.

Helena Moscow

05-28-06, 16:37

Born Loser, nice find.
On further review A Russian review of the other girl at this location is not so flattering. This in reference to Lera at same number http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16099/3

From translator:

About the fairy - on a photo it, but it is strong отфотожоплена. In real all is easier and more prosy. The usual person, полноватая плюшевая a figure, without traces of playing sports. There are fatty folds on a stomach and бёдрах. A breast, the truth, normal двушка.

Of course, she is strongly отфотожоплена. But still, I think if you have her, you still can be sure that you sleep with a playboy-level girl. Or do you seriously suppose that in Playboy girls go without photoshop?

Member #4732

05-28-06, 20:20

vince,

Kissing is not guaranteed in SPB either. If I go to Photomodeli for instance, and see the lineup, I usually ask to talk to the girl of my choice before making a final decision. I ask her in private if she will kiss. I'm not even asking for BBBJ or anal or anything out there, just kissing. And yet, quite a few will say "It is forbidden by the house". Now I don't know if it is truly forbidden by the house, or this is just a convenient excuse they are told to use, or whether they are looking for more money. All I know is that it seems like at least 50% claim they will not DFK. I tell them "ok, thanks, but I am not interested". SPB is good but it takes quite a bit of effort to find the ones who are good in both looks and service.

I'm curious about the Moscow salon and indy scene as it seems to be reasonably affordable as opposed to the outrageous Night Flight type of scene. In SPB internet sites I can generally tell which are the fake photos. Very few girls in SPB have real glamor style photos. So the real glamor ones are usually fake. But almost every photo on the Moscow sites are glamorous, high end photos. So either they have better photographers and the girls there decide they cannot compete without high end photos OR there are a lot of fake photos. I wish I knew. Most of the fake photos in SPB sites are stolen from Moscow listings. I have always assumed that the Moscow listing was an original photo, but I am not sure.

Doctor_Skank

05-28-06, 20:55

VV:

I dont think that one city has girls inherently more GFE than others and I agree with Rovnak that YMMV in either city, as my experience with Moscow pros has shown that at least 75% will kiss... but most of my pros were of the take home type ala CF or NF. Am relatively inexperienced with salon pros in Moscow as it is too much of a hassle for me... or call it laziness. Internet pros ordered to the house will usually kiss, but here you can also ask beforehand. BBBJ is less and less in either city. Shame.

St.Pete in general compares well with Moscow based solely on the internet and salon scenes... they are excellent in St.Pete, although really not much cheaper. Deep tongue kissing was possible with some girls, but not all.

Moscow has a better pickup bar scene... St.Pete has pretty much no scene at all as recently lamented on the St.Pete board. Sure you can find pros in numerous clubs, but there isnt a single DECENT club with a selection of more than 10 girls in St.Pete... or is there any secret spot out there we dont know about? Marstalls and Tribunal are full of old and worn out pros and Magrib features spotty hit-and-miss action... in other words, there is no Night Flight or Chesterfields/Boarhouse in Pitr.

Big Bro AJ

05-29-06, 07:28

zazdrovya...

Bring me more...

John Peter

05-30-06, 03:24

Dear bro,

Some time ago, I was in Moscow for two nights

I got one nice lady, speaking english nicely to me in hotel lobby.

She was looking for extra money. (working a restaurant)

She agreed to come to my room for over night

Good in sex, but was new in business so not keen to suck cock.

But gave me her Y point to enjoy and she too enjoyed my oral to her.

I could get one pic of her, taken with her permission

No Nude as she has to be respected for her privacy.

She left her hp no on next day, if I return to call her.

Cheers,

John

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Doctor_Skank

05-31-06, 10:48

Gentleman Travel

05-31-06, 14:29

A Russian friend and I were chatting about all the Moscow "options" and lamenting about the rise in prices for "take home" service. His conclusion was the $200 was pretty much minimum for anything decent. I still find nice girls for $150 occasionally.

In any case, we also spoke about other options and he said he likes to go to "Hotel Kosmos", a Russian hotel on Mira Prospect, and pick from a large group of girls there, who also have access to rooms in the hotel for servicing customers. He said that if you hit the right season, there are sometimes some fresh girls there as well. There is also a night cub in the hotel called "Solaris".

Anybody have any experience with this? The hotel is reasonably priced for Moscow (standard rooms from $135) and could be interesting if there is decent pro action there. I will keep staying in apartments, but it could be a fun option for those bound to hotels.

http://www.hotelcosmos.ru/

Any info appreciated.That's interesting Doctor - Piper and I have a plan to check this place out.

On June 29 there is supposed to be a big "Romance Tour" social here.

Piper and I were going to set up shop in the bar or lobby and try to skim the cream off the stream of disappointed brides-to-be. So no experience with Hotel Cosmos yet, but a solid research program in place! And yes, the room prices seem quite reasonable for Moscow. Also one of the mail-order bride businesses (A Foreign Affair) has an office in the hotel, so there should be a trickle of eager young blood through there often.

GT

Doctor_Skank

05-31-06, 21:04

GT:

Oh you kids are sneaky, I like it!

As my drill sergeant in basic said, "if you aint cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"

Then he made me drop and do 50 for cheating.

Am interested to hear how your project turns out...

Piper1

05-31-06, 21:13

That's interesting Doctor - Piper and I have a plan to check this place out.

On June 29 there is supposed to be a big "Romance Tour" social here.

Piper and I were going to set up shop in the bar or lobby and try to skim the cream off the stream of disappointed brides-to-be. So no experience with Hotel Cosmos yet, but a solid research program in place! And yes, the room prices seem quite reasonable for Moscow. Also one of the mail-order bride businesses (A Foreign Affair) has an office in the hotel, so there should be a trickle of eager young blood through there often.

GT
Geez, GT, when you put it like that, I almost feel guilty (Almost ;)). Looking forward to helping you out with your sneaky plan.

Meanwhile, I just returned home from the office, it's midnight, and I was going to call a Russian sweetie home to help me practice my Russian. Can't find my monger-phone, so I must have left it in the office. Looks like I'll have to make a quick trip to the local CIS club now ...

See you in a few weeks.

(BTW - my conference hotel is the Hotel President - is that near Cosmos? I can change hotels if I wish.)

Gentleman Travel

05-31-06, 21:25

Gentleman Travel

05-31-06, 21:49

Geez, GT, when you put it like that, I almost feel guilty (Almost ;)). ....

(BTW - my conference hotel is the Hotel President - is that near Cosmos - I can change hotels if I wish)No, it looks like Hotel President is on the south side of downtown, whereas the Cosmos seems to be out north-east. However, they appear to be on the same subway line, about 8 stops, but I don't know how long that would take to travel. My guess is not long, but you would want to think which place is closer to the action all the other nights.

Here is a good link to a subway map:
http://www.hotels-moscow.ru/metro.html

The President is near Oktyabrskaya along the Ring route (and Orange line) and the Cosmos is near VDNKh on the Orange line.

GT

Piper1

06-01-06, 04:57

No, it looks like Hotel President is on the south side of downtown, whereas the Cosmos seems to be out north-east. However, they appear to be on the same subway line, about 8 stops, but I don't know how long that would take to travel. My guess is not long, but you would want to think which place is closer to the action all the other nights.
Thanks for the research GT - I'm getting lazy in my old age. ;) I think I'll stay at Cosmos. Eight stops on the subway, same line, is fine. My memories of subway rides in Moscow are of beautiful girls, beautiful artwork at the stations, but suffocating deisel air and vodka-soaked guys.

JustSumFun

06-03-06, 08:03

Hiya mates,

Need some help for a friend of mine who is visiting Moscow on from the 21st to the 23rd of this month. Any guys there can help him with some good contacts.

Hi Piper: Good to see you spreading your wings. I just logged in to post a request for my friend. He cannot log in because of the same problem most guys face in dubai. The website is Blocked :)

Anyway hope you guys will help my friend and I will be happy to reciprocate when you guys come to my part of the world.

Cheers

Justfun

It Travel

06-03-06, 15:32

Dear Friends,
I’ve been there sometimes (some year ago, but I just got there this winter too for a meeting) and seldom I found an hotel which a such security enforced… :(

Of course the hotel is not so expensive, but…, It’s difficult to get in a girl from outside. You should book a room for two and her name, end there is, obviously, no problem…

The local hookers (I mean the hotel ones) are usually ugly and at 150 USD/hour! Why get them for two hours when you can have a teen for the night at the same amount?

It’s true the Cosmos is close to the VDNKh and Ostanknino area. But there are much more girl friendly hotels in Moscow.

Like the Sovietsky (see at http://www.sovietsky.ru) where you just hear the girl you called knack on your door! No hassles and no problems. For working reasons I always use the suites at Izmailovo, (between 150 and 200 USD) with AC, Computer, printer, scanner, minibar, etc. :) At Izmailovo you have to bribe the security with 1000 RUR at Sovietsky it's completly up to you, nobody will ask you something if you get in with two stunners from Night Flight!

It’s very good to get there (at Izmailovo) with a girl (tocka or similar) before 11 PM, they will always register her Passport so you are quite sure that she will not disappear with your valuables (camera, PC, etc). ;)

Personally I do not like Cosmos at all…

Bye

IT

PS By the way I’ll soon get a fucking tour to Moscow for five days! I hope two sponsored girls, and a couple! Day and Night… fortunately in the lobby of all the hotels they sell Cialis and Viagra.

It Travel

06-03-06, 15:44

To advise your friend the company http://www.sweet-dreams.ru. It to you will be grateful and happy.

Need some help for a friend of mine who is visiting Moscow on from the 21st to the 23rd of this month. Any guys there can help him with some good contacts.

Hi Piper: Good to see you spreading your wings. I just logged in to post a request for my friend. He cannot log in because of the same problem most guys face in dubai. The website is Blocked :)

Anyway hope you guys will help my friend and I will be happy to reciprocate when you guys come to my part of the world.

Cheers

Justfun[/QUOTE]

I was just reading this…

Nearly all the pics seems fakes on ground of wrong details… look carefully, no pics seems made in Russia!

And as it’s normal on other sites… no price! Just because it’s in English!

There are a lot of other, better, options!

IT

It Travel

06-03-06, 20:26

When you have not enough money. When there is no money for good service better to not come on such sites, to not be afflicted.

I was just reading this…

Nearly all the pics seems fakes on ground of wrong details… look carefully, no pics seems made in Russia!

And as it’s normal on other sites… no price! Just because it’s in English!

There are a lot of other, better, options!

IT[/QUOTE]

I’m travelling in a Country since it was called Soviet Union…Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик, just to be clear. Probably before you were born! I have been living in the former EE countries since the early 80’s, up to 2001. ;)

I know well what an “ONLY” English site for pro is meaning… It’ not a matter of money, dear Victoria 2005, I think I spend much more on other girls. Just better ones! Not Rip-offs! :(

As I said several times, and I think most of the ISG members agrees, I do not want a Playboy “log” in the bed but a “next door” devil: in the bed! It’s much better. I’m European and I do not think at all at these things like lap, private dance, shaving, etc., just time loosing! Exactly like a marriage agency for foreigners in Russia, just to get € or $ or even £ from the pockets like a vacuum cleaner. Just a question… as used in Russia why there is no price for anything in this site? As usual I suppose they decide it from your telephone reactions. :(

But most of all… I well know the businesses, and no photos seems to be made in Russia, some perhaps yes. Unfortunately (or it is done knowing it) it’s not possible to redirect directly to pictures, but I can say you a couple of things…

a) There are some trees which are not growing in Russia.
b) There is a background from a famous brothel from Moscow (not sending out girls!).
c) Perhaps a couple of girls are photographed in a Russian environment, but why are the pics so foggy? When on a much cheaper site (You Said It!) they are good and with good quality and you can understand the photoshopped ones and the real ones?

I think it’s all… Please answer

By the way send your pictures or preferably an address with some Hi def so we can understand what’s behind the words… Do not ask for mine… This is a site for males seeking women, pros especially. So I do not think anybody is interested in my naked pics.

IT

PS
My weekly budget for fun, when I am in Russia, is going around 3.000 USD for a Friday-Monday, but I know I eat a lot of Ikra! :)

It Travel

06-04-06, 09:21

Just for showing what I mean… with big photos.

Surely not a beauty, and not the best bargain, but what you see is what you get! No professional photo, but big ones… you see every detail and defect!

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=29390

And if the girl showing up is not the advertised one, just kick her off… with some hundred roubles for the taxi!

By the way I never nailed this one but I think I’ll do it next time, skinny and getting anal, I hope that with some extra she will do BBBJ!

Bye

IT

It Travel

06-04-06, 12:33

I think they all have understood on ISG (my tastes, teens, anal, BBJ, CIM, CIF, photo, etc.), but I still do not understand why there is this unpoliteness not to understand/answer questions.

Just to be fair...

A) WHY ARE THERE SO FEW PHOTOS?
B) WHY ARE THEY SO FOGGY (now after some discussion I can say they are PHOTOSHOPPED)?
C) WHY THERE IS NO PRICE, OR INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO GET PRICE, CAN I KNOW IT, OR IT IS A SECRET FOR RIPPING OFF?
D) I CAN ENSURE YOU THAT I'VE BEEN WITH VERY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN!
E) STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PICS... BUT BE AWARE, IF THEY ARE FAKE IT IS VERY EASY THAT YOU BE KICKED OFF FROM ISG MEMBERS!

Sorry for writing in capitals, but who knows internet (Victoria 2005 seems not to know) knows what it's meaning!

I think Jackson should be aware on this! It is advertising in the wrong section!

IT

Helena Moscow

06-04-06, 15:41

About Cosmos Hotel: You are right, it’s not the most girls-friendly one. But I recently was there (entered before 9 o’clock) and no one stopped me. The only problem was that I got lost with the lifts (they have different lifts for different floors and these lifts are located in different places), but security kindly helped me with the road and again(!) asked me about nothing. On the way back they also “didn’t see” me. So, it may be a happy accident or things may change for the better. By the way they renovated the rooms, at least some ;)).

Sovetsky: Yes, still quiet. And they have a fantastic Russian restaurant on the first floor. The new show is MUST SEE ;))).

Izmailovo: Girls often refuse to go there, because it has very bad repute and located in a problematic place (difficult to find taxi, a lot of Caucasians from the market near-by. Security asks 500rubles for entrance and don’t let girls to enter until you come down for them. It’s also quite far from the center.

Helena Moscow

06-04-06, 15:43

About Sweet Dreams: Dear IT Travel, I personally know that most of the pictures in Victoria’s web-site are made in Russia. I even know by whom (was thinking about using the same photographer, may be will do so next time). But some of the pictures are really made outside Russia, by the same guy (he is Bulgarian), and girls went to Bulgaria both for holidays and shooting. By the way, even if not this, why do you think that a Russian girl can not go abroad and bring portfolio from there? It’s affordable. About famous Moscow brothel I don’t know, but why couldn’t the girl from that picture work their in the past and use her old portfolio?

«I think I spend much more on other girls. Just better ones! Not Rip-offs!» - I know, it’s now a sort of fashion to complain of Victoria’s girls. I never was too much interested in details of her business (though we are friends), but last week we were sitting in a cafe, and a couple of girls from her web-site came in. One of these girls I also sent to a client, and he complained that she was not beautiful (I was surprised because Victoria assured me that she was the best girl ever worked for her). And there I saw this girl myself. A real 23-year old stunner, with blue eyes, long silky hair, nice breast, full lips, kind smile, very polite and charming. I even felt a bit uncomfortable, because this girl looked 10 times more attractive than me (naturally, I wanted her to leave faster not to make me nervous :)). And men still complain. They say she is a rip-off and on picture looks better. Bullshit!!!!! She is too good for most of them. Another pleasure of complaining is that she can’t respond.

Sure, we have a lot of 16-year-old well-dressed beauties hanging about boutiquies in Tverskaya. Sure, you may look at them and say: escorts are shit, there are a lot of better girls. Everywhere. In a way it’s true. But most of these girls are not escorts and will never be available for fast sex. They just don’t need it. So, please, try to be happy with who you can get ;) Victoria’s girls are not the worst ones. I’m not blind and also compare different sites, including your favorite ;))))))))).

About Ikra: Wow!!!!!!! 3000$. Respect. How many kilogrammes do you eat per day? All my family love caviar, but we never managed to spend so much on it within a week-end. Please, share experience ;))))))))))))))

It Travel

06-04-06, 19:03

If I have been impolite, I’m very sorry.. so I have to clarify some things… To all of you.

Sorry Helena but I perhaps miswrite! Of course I mean a 3.000 USD for a long weekend, not only on Caviar of course (girls were included…)!

I can agree with you on all the hotels, you were at Cosmos at 9.00 PM, I do not know how it is but once it was a very strict security to protect the girl working in the hotel.
On ground I have no time to take a taxi (due to Moscow traffic, you cant’ get from an Industry area to the other in reasonable time) I find more convenient to take Underground and Izmailovo is a fair combination between being in a good place and price (I mean for the suites of course), and having fast data lines (and document check). Which you do not have in most hotels in Moscow, (most are at 56 kbps, a nightmare if you are sending pictures! Internet Cafes are much better!). But let’s go on to girls…

I do not complain so much on beauty, I know the pictures are fake… I’m talking about another thing. I just took once a such girl: no kissing, no touching, no that, no that.. just riding. I’m not a horse! And I know what I’m speaking on…

Most important I wrote to the e-mail reported in the “dream site” and I got a nice answer in English, I was politely asking for the price: no answer, just redirected to another site, I was asking for a specific girl where it was written she is doing anal.

This is the text first the answer than my question.

“ Dear, Oksana does not do anal sex. Anal sex does Olga, Natasha and other my
site anal does Victoria, Lika, Natasha. http://www.yourfantasy.ru
> Hello!
>
> I find Oksana so interesting!
>
> Can I have a price for an overnight? I mean 12 hours or so, of course including Anal?
>
> Thanks”

In the same site there is (advertised) for anal: Olga and Masha, and Oksana of course. And this is what it is appearing on the site (the dream one) at Oksana’s page, but it’s impossible to link it directly:

Oksana:
Age: 19
Height: 169 cm
Weight: 56 kg
City: Moscow
Country: Russia
Eyes: Grey
Hair: Blonde
Occupation: Massage, anal sex
Smoking: Smokes sometimes

I think I can read… I do just not write or talk because I have fingers and mouth… By the way of course no indication on the price!!! Not even in the mail. So Anal is fake… Wold the answer be the same if I asked for Olga?

Sorry Vince, I know I have to be cool but not fool: if somebody of readers can get me a girl of those in the two sites for 250 USD a night they are warmly welcome, but if it is not the same girl, or another from the pics selection she can go home… Due to my experience I do not think you get a model type for 250 USD for an overnight, some body thinks it’s two or three hours, I mean from 10 PM to 10 AM, just that.

The link is still a site with poor pictures etc, as the other.
SORRY BUT YOU HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE ME THINKING YOU ARE NOT A RIP OFF!

IT

It Travel

06-04-06, 19:16

Ffmbud

06-04-06, 19:56

Hey guys,

I've had the experience with two of Victoria's girls, Lika and Katya.

As I posted earlier, the photos if in fact are the ladies in question, had to be taken 5-10 years ago. So on the initial meet, it's kind of a let down, as one builds up their expectations. But I have no complaints regarding the service and the girls more than accommodating, pleasant attitudes and actual performance. All services confirmed by Victoria on the phone at the time of making an appointment were provided. If something wasn't on the menu, she was honest about it.

In fact, both experiences exceeded my expectations on the services side, and more than made up my initial letdown on the difference between the photo and actual appearances. Lika to date I rate as the best BBBJ/CIM I've ever had, what a artist! Katya, who I saw for 2-3 hrs, made me rise to the occasion three times, once the traditional method, once with an excellent BBBJ/CIM and a 3rd time via Russian style.

So the bottom line is, you can get the girl in the photo and end up with less than desireable experience or do you want the experience and as long as she doesn't actually look like a dog-face?

Helena Moscow

06-04-06, 21:28

Next I'll send you pics on the Izmailovo Suites... By the way security asks for 1.000 RUR! :(

IT, could you, please, write more detailes about Izmailivo? Which building (Alfa, Beta, Delta...) do you stay? What did you do to bring girls over there (met downstairs, paid to security, registered in your room, at what time, did you go out with the girl?) The matter is that I wasn't there for about 5 years, at that time it was terrible and I still avoid it. As well as most of girls I know. But may be now all is different?

About Cosmos at that time I was surprised that noone said a word to me. I saw some girls inside, too. And security before were taugh, made girls from outside register even in the afternoon. The biggest problem I had with my priest client, who didn't want to attract attention ;). They didn't register for about an hour, on different pretexts sent us from one person to another, all the hotel was watching. You must have seen the show.........

GandJim

06-05-06, 00:22

The biggest problem I had with my priest client, who didn't want to attract attention ;). They didn't register for about an hour, on different pretexts sent us from one person to another, all the hotel was watching. You must have seen the show.........
Thanks Helena for putting a BIG smile on my face, I wish I was there to watch the show indeed! :) :) :)

I always enjoy reading your posts, but this one really make my day. I laughed so much my stomach still hurts. ;)

It Travel

06-05-06, 07:17

IT, could you, please, write more detailes about Izmailivo? Which building (Alfa, Beta, Delta...) do you stay? What did you do to bring girls over there (met downstairs, paid to security, registered in your room, at what time, did you go out with the girl?) The matter is that I wasn't there for about 5 years, at that time it was terrible and I still avoid it. As well as most of girls I know. But may be now all is different?

About Cosmos at that time I was surprised that noone said a word to me. I saw some girls inside, too. And security before were taugh, made girls from outside register even in the afternoon. The biggest problem I had with my priest client, who didn't want to attract attention ;). They didn't register for about an hour, on different pretexts sent us from one person to another, all the hotel was watching. You must have seen the show.........

For looking at the rooms (the higher standard ones you can go at www.izmailovo.ru not fake pics the rooms in the Delta-Gamma block are exactly so, I have never been in the others (with the exception of the lobby).

Now the Delta-Gamma block has been undergoing a renovation process for the last four or five years and the lobby is more or less normal with the usual overpriced shops, bars and some restaurants there are also different type of restaurants at the 2nd and 3rd floor. The best is the two face European/Chinese/Japanese restaurant you have in the Gamma.

Getting girls there is very easy. During the day you just phone to the one you like and wish to come… then when the girl is there she has to go in the corner of the lobby and phone you up (she has to know the apt number) then she can just be registered (with your presence) at the security staff (they just write down passport facts as a normal guest under the day). Still the soviet method…

If the girl is staying upstairs later than 11 PM, they will just knock on the door for getting she out, but easily and openly the problem is quickly solved with a 1000 RUR note. ;) Even getting up two or more (if you have a suite) is not a problem... fixed tariff 1000 RUR each :(

If you have to get in after 11 PM, just go to your elevator block and when the guy ask for the card handover it and with some privacy hand over a 1000 note to the guard, he will just ask to when the girl will stay and it’s all.

By the way the breakfast (typically Russian) in the hotel is quite good (also confused!) but you have a choice of a lot of different things and sometime you can just see the working girls taking some food before going home, once I mad a contact there.

Yes I know there are Caucasian taxis and people around but never had problems (usually I do not use the taxi at all).

By the way since they started the renovation of the hotel (I have been there many times) there are around 5/7 working girl in the lobby a couple are acceptable 5 or 6 but working in their dirty rooms (not renovated) and asking for 150/hour for nearly nothing. Some years a go I went for a chubby one with big tits, but at that time it was just 50 USD/hour and I managed to get three hours for 100. Not a bad experience but nothing interesting at all…

IT

It Travel

06-05-06, 07:34

hey guys,

i've had the experience with two of victoria's girls, lika and katya.

as i posted earlier, the photos if in fact are the ladies in question, had to be taken 5-10 years ago. ...

so the bottom line is, you can get the girl in the photo and end up with less than desireable experience or do you want the experience and as long as she doesn't actually look like a dog-face?

dear friend,

it’ exactly what i’m speaking on!

my favourite is going to teens (legal ones!) and i can guarantee you that despite whats’ saying on the site you can still fine ones in moscow! of course there are exceptions, special girls with special attitude (like my friend valentina, with her baby face, giving tremendous deep anal service, like [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) a teen! and she is 24)

you have understood the point! i’m not interested in models or real pros. if you get some naïve ones and work them well you can still get some to be wet (!), and then it’s very esay to get what you want from them, usually the real only no no is anal. i like girls participating and i like to make them having fun too…

but my two friends i am going to sponsor finally agreed both for it, and it will be a real fun (no beauties, but no logs in the bed!) with real gfe fucks, like the last i got with iriska. just to treat them gently and decently and then you can get all you want out of them.

the two i’m going for, will accept deep throat cum injection (you can’t spit it!) so they both swallow! i’am planning six days of fun: two with a couple of sponsored girls, two with one and a couple of days of free teen hunt! it’s my holidays for the summer.

thanks for the advises!

it

It Travel

06-05-06, 07:35

In the photo section I will post some room pictures!

IT

Bunnyboy

06-05-06, 07:59

As far as the hotel being girl friendly, it isn't. There is a sign posted, and the security will enforce, that each guest there has to show their room pass to board any of the elevators. I was able to get one girl up to my room last summer during the afternoon, but the security guard gave her a stern conversation in Russian which I didn't understand and when I asked her what he said, she said that he said to hurry whatever she was coming up to get.

The Cosmos, as posted by other members, has their own selection of girls that aren't noticable around the lobby unless you look for them. They most frequently hang out in the lobby bar and can even be ordered from there by asking the bar staff.

Concerning the Solaris club downstairs, it is not always a stripclub. I think only 4 days of the week, 5 days max, are there stripshows. On evenings that it is a stripclub, there will be one of their female staff in the lobby by the stairs handing out an advertisement with a coupon off the cover charge which is 1,000 roubles full price. On the other days, it is just a regular dance club. The girls for the most part are not working girls and if you are going there to try to pick up a girl, good luck. The last time I was there earlier in the year, I chatted with one girl who admitted that most of the girls were married and had children. Late last summer, however, some action could probably be found from the friskiness of a few of them, but again, the club is not a working girl club.

As far as the rooms in the hotel, the regular rooms aren't anything special. It seems in the past 6 to 8 months that are trying to make even more money and have added vending machines on each of the floors for snacks and the refrigerators in each room are now locked and stocked with refreshments. They used to be usable so I could shove my kvas and food in there for my morning hangover. Don't get me wrong, I still like staying at the hotel and having a metro station directly across prospekt mira makes the place attractive.

Helena Moscow

06-05-06, 14:05

To It Travel:

Thank you very much for detailed posting and pictures of Izmailovo. Now it’s clear, girls avoid it in vain.

To GrandJim: ;)

It Travel

06-05-06, 19:38

To It Travel:

Thank you very much for detailed posting and pictures of Izmailovo. Now it’s clear, girls avoid it in vain.

To GrandJim: ;)

Dear Helena…

As the prices of hotels in central Moscow are crazy and I’m travelling on fixed basis reimbursement I prefer to put 18-22 minutes on the underground.

For approx 150 € at Izmailovo Gamma-Delta I get a suite, renovated usually with:

Computer, Fast internet line, Scanner, Printer, Private fax line, Minibar, Office basic things, Bath, Sleeping room, Bathrobe, etc, a real wardrobe, and much more. Breakfast for two is included. Visa registration also. Telephone and minibar are quite cheap and efficient as the staff (when you are in the suite). For 22 € you can get a single (a nightmare!) funiture since 1979!.

I really think the Izmailovo is infamous due to the other blocks, to some bad rooms, and to the caucasian market. By the way I have been there dozen of times, even in the bars and eating mutton shashlik and never had any kind of problem… I think it’s only a perception from ugly taxi driver (but I take the metro), and from some “hard” security staff, specially in the Alfa block. Often I got two girls on my room in Gamma or Delta… no problem at all, I even got them at breakfast, one registered and you pay 300 RUR for the third…

So I think it’s a good compromise between price efficiency etc, and the you have the vernissage, and most of all a lot of efficient services (air ticket, train, restaurant for all prices, shops, laundry, photo shop, and whatever) inside the Izmailovo complex.

Every time I get there I still find something I did not know! It’s absolutely to big. The last is a Sauna and Pool at ground floor on the Delta Block ( in the Elevators hall, in the former Armenian Restaurant). Ill’ go there next time, but there are at least (in the area) three more saunas.

IT

PS But if you have a customer there you have to tell him how it works, in some places they have face control, here it's RUR control, but it MUST be very discreet!

It Travel

06-06-06, 13:37

Sorry to be here but some Senior asked me what's the meaning of Izmailovo.

Just very simlpe... nothing. Exactly like all old toponomastic old geographical names, some times they are linked to some local conditions, otherwise, thy just mean nothing...

Its' not like VDNKh or whatever. Izmailovo is in Russian History.

Izmailovo Royal Estate, whose remaining buildings are clustered just a 10-minute walk east of the vernissage and the Hotel (built for Journalists in the Olympics in 1980). This property was owned by the Romanov boyars since the 16th century (before they got Czar), the estate was the favorite retreat of Tsar Alexei and his son, the future Emperor Peter The Great. Who transferred the Capital City to the New Founded Petrograd, then Petrograd in Russian, then Leningrad, and then St. Petersburg.

Rasman77

06-06-06, 18:17

It,

You're right, we better post this in the Moscow section.

You asked about the service from theese totcka girls. My experience is that if you get the new girls ( young and a bit naive ) and you can speak some russian, you can get almost what you want. I never get BBBJ, as this is not safe in my opinion, but I have had some girls who were going to start doing it, even though I didnt ask for it. As for COF and CIM, I think it is more difficult to get this service, also I prefer just to finish on the breasts. But I have expirienced that many of the girls can be talked in to doing anal. I have done this several times, often on girls who did it for their first time. I take a lot of time to explain that she must be well prepared and lubed to make it a good experience, and a lot girls are interested in trying it out.
I also find it possible to get permission for photo / video in many cases.

You said that you have some sponsor-girls from omen, how do you make the deal ? Do you go for a longer period ? ( as many of these babes set their price for a period of one month ) Or is it possible to make a shorter "contract" ?

I have seen some real hot ones on omen, but as I normally only go to Moscow for a few days, I wonder if it is worth the effort to try to get in contact with one of these babes ?
I have heard that it also should be possible to find girls who are looking for sponsorship on other dating sites have you heard about this ?

Rasman.

It Travel

06-07-06, 09:06

It,

You said that you have some sponsor-girls from omen, how do you make the deal ? Do you go for a longer period ? ( as many of these babes set their price for a period of one month ) Or is it possible to make a shorter "contract" ?

I have seen some real hot ones on omen, but as I normally only go to Moscow for a few days, I wonder if it is worth the effort to try to get in contact with one of these babes ?
I have heard that it also should be possible to find girls who are looking for sponsorship on other dating sites have you heard about this ?

Rasman.

Sponsor Girls

Generally speaking they have no real rules, as I explained before… they will not just go with anybody. They have to like you just a little bit at least. Some speak very good English, others non at all. So the range is very various.

For 70-100.000 RUR a month you can get a stunner in your bed and do what you want with her… long time rental always cheaper than short time ;)

You get more normal ones in the area of 50.000 RUR

Some are working on a daily (24 hours) basis between 5.000 and 15.000 RUR (they even write it).

The ones I found got on weekend rates, something in the area from 600 to 1.000 USD of cost for you from Friday to Monday. Not beauties but very sexual and always doing BBBJ CIM COF, even swallowing!

So in my opinion it’s seems a bargain.

I’ll stay a long weekend with a chubby blonde (I like both chubby both skinny girls) and she seems just a little 20 y.o. pig (I mean in bed)

So for saying also to Helena, if you take the girl, the hotel, some restaurants, a theatre or a disco, some small gift, and for me some expensive food like Imperial or Beluga, and Viagra of course it’s easy that you go up to 2.500 USD for a weekend from Friday noon to Monday noon.

Contacting them is usually quite easy, just go via the site and search location, age, etc. The problem is that you have to be at least basic in Russian.

I know it is expensive, but the GFE you get is much better than with a pro form Night Flight, but if you got a such one for three nights and put together all the other costs the difference is not so big…

But be aware some, around 30% in my opinion, are pros, trying different Marketing! Some are really naïve and nice. I’ll se with a petite 18teen with enormous tits! I offered her 300 USD a day, and she enthusiastically accepted (all included, a mere 235 € for me, a three/four hour evening in a German sauna with three or four pops!) the only thing she does not like are photos, but I’ll try to convince her.

I do all this from home and this is the advantage, I meet them for seeing if I like them in a trip, and the fuck them in the next. I have so little time so I do not like (said before) go around and hanging in bars and strip clubs. I’ll get in Moscow soon, and I’ll find the girl I want and I have already seen waiting for me in the lobby… what’s better?

Of course in some evening I just go for pros for changing but mostly on Internet.

As I told before the old days of the third floor of Hotel Intourist (Tverskaya) are gone. I do not know if somebody remembers. You just got there, took a drink or whatever and there where between 15 to 40 young girls, mostly beautiful teens ready for everything. Most of them where dancing alone on a little dance floor for showing their bodies… fixed price: 100USD up to noon next day! That was a fun period. Unfortunately no pictures!

Bye

IT

It Travel

06-07-06, 09:47

Somebody PM me on LAda Olya (the beautiful tutted teen in my last photo report from Izmailovo

here she is:

http://www.intimcity.ru/personal.php?id=21971

No idea if it is still working, it's the down version of the page (not more in line).

Bye

Happy hunt... i reccomend an extra 1.000 for a BBBJ with CIM, and she will go on up to when it's softening, using your cum as lubricant!

Hedonist

06-09-06, 07:29

She is still working. I had called her to my apartment when I was in Moscow in May. She looks quite different than her pictures. She has truly big tits, but she has a disproportional body. She is quite a shouter. My experience with her was only mediocre. I personally don't recommend her services...

Somebody PM me on LAda Olya (the beautiful tutted teen in my last photo report from Izmailovo

here she is:

http://www.intimcity.ru/personal.php?id=21971

No idea if it is still working, it's the down version of the page (not more in line).

Bye

Happy hunt... i reccomend an extra 1.000 for a BBBJ with CIM, and she will go on up to when it's softening, using your cum as lubricant!

It Travel

06-09-06, 17:19

She is still working. I had called her to my apartment when I was in Moscow in May. She looks quite different than her pictures. She has truly big tits, but a disproportional body. She is quite a shouter. My experience with her was only mediocre. I personally don't recommend her services...

Seems interesting!

I thing she got just in the business... She was quite interesting and a nice GFE last year. :)

I think a lot of girls just get worn out, I mean in the mind... one of the reasons I like, and go, always to some one... they are not mind worn out!

Of course it's just an opinion.

For me (just once) BBBJ with CIM was very good :) :) :) and intercourse too... the body is surely chubby, but I like chubby, skinny, normal, etc...

I'll try again next time!

Thanks for infos and Bye

IT

Ffmbud

06-09-06, 19:47

IT,

I came across her posting in omen.ru
You might check it out

It Travel

06-10-06, 07:22

IT,

I came across her posting in omen.ru
You might check it out

You mean a new or an old one?

Can you copy and paste the link?

Bye

IT

Etaoin2003

06-12-06, 00:34

It Travel

06-12-06, 11:27

Salon Monro advertises heavily on intimcity, etc., and I visited it for several reasons. One, it was cheap. Two, I like hand jobs (they do not offer intercourse), and Three, I could find it. They list at 36 Leninsky Prospect, which is true, you just have to know which door in the back, and what number to put into the dials to get buzzed in. They're on the top floor. The place was clean friendly, well-run. What you get is a lot of oil, rubbing, simulated sex. No condoms. I left very happy. :-) I can't any of the girls I met on their web listings, but I'll keep looking.

Good that you found it yourself! Sometimes with all this things block, stair, apt and door code it might be a nightmare...

By the way if you have some place like the one you showed in St. Petersburg forum, which seems a real bargain, for Moscow let us know, I'll be there soon... :) :)

Bye

IT

Etaoin2003

06-14-06, 12:17

I can't any of the girls I met on their web listings, but I'll keep looking.

Dark-haired girl on right. Not best looker but remarkably skilled with the hands.
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/25207/2.jpg

Blonde, lower right. Her hands and butt cheeks worked together remarkably well.
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/27017/3.jpg

There was another, who I can't find, but she was not memorable.

It Travel

06-14-06, 14:52

I think it's nice and cheap... but no BBBJ, no Anal, no "introduction", etc...

I think It's not for me.

As previously told: massage, lap dance, strip, etc... I prefer jus f****** ... or a nice BBBJ or even better a hard anal.

Thanks in any case, may be once I'll try... You never have to say no I will not do it.

Thanks

IT

Dark-haired girl on right. Not best looker but remarkably skilled with the hands.
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/25207/2.jpg

Blonde, lower right. Her hands and butt cheeks worked together remarkably well.
http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/27017/3.jpg

There was another, who I can't find, but she was not memorable.

ChimeraAlpha

06-15-06, 13:11

Hell fellow forum members!

I have seen two persons Helena & Victoria interacting in the forum quiet regularly.

Are they and their friends good as they claim to be used for a short visit to Moscow.

Any feedback would be highly appreciated

Regards

Sylvan

Member #3016

06-15-06, 22:35

It Travel

06-16-06, 08:37

My current Russian gf, who is 29 ,thinks that she looks more like 25 and that all her friends say the same. But it be fair, to me she looks more like 35 y.o (so well above her real age).

This is not bothering me at all but I'm just curious as it is not the 1st time that a russian woman tells me that she looks younger than her age and that I think otherwise.

Has it ever happened to anyone of you? Is it a Russian thing?

Thanks for your comments.

I know wel the problem noticed the same thing all over the EE, and in the Balkans it’s even worse than in Russia.

Usually girls seems really mature (I mean 18 teen or more) when they are 15-16, and start to be is some way “oldish at “25-30”. For men sometimes it’s even worse. My former company has some workers in Serbia, approx 35-45 y.o. but some of them saw like 55 or even 60.

You have to take in consideration that life expectancy in Russia is approx 10-15 years less than in the highest standard Western Europe.

In my opinion all of this facts depends on several things like:

Heavy smoking stared when they are very young (about 12-14). I seldom met a girl non smoking and you all know what it’s doing to the skin (the smoke I mean). Most of the girl I met smoked between 30 to 50 cigarettes a day!

Drinking: very few do not drink, I do not mean a glass of beer or a vodka or wine, Iriska in one evening drank a bottle of White Martini, (1 liter !), one beer (0,5 liter of Baltika), and a couple of 100 gram vodka shots, and fruit juice of course! There are some positive things… I got this fantastic COF and some CIM with swallowing! But It’ happened also (Tatarstan Report) that the girl was starting with every thing like pissing on the floor! And of course drinking so heavily makes people older (It happens also in the US). Some north European drink much, but usually one a week, or less. Often Russian drinks every day, It’s enough to go to a supermarket in the outskirts of Moscow and see the section for Vodka: usually a whole corridor!

Food: they are usually eating too much fat… and to little vegetables and fruit (on ground of cost of course).

Pollution: now it’s much less, but 10 years ago when you got out the SVO airport the pollution was incredible, the same in the city. I think it also makes problem with the skin.

When I meet Russian girls, It happened to Iriska and Sveta (you now sponsor ones, not bi****), when I told them I’m nearly 45, just some month less, they both said noo!!! And finally I had to show my ID. Instead Iriska is 21 and looks approx 25 in my rating, several others like Olya (the big hard titted one) were just 18 and looked 20-22.

My first monger friend in Russia was 18, and I met her when she was 28, three or four years ago… She seemed 40! I was trying to get back to her remembering nice days, and a very nice girl… I thought, she was only 18 so now perhaps… The fact was: smoking, drinking like a Russian sailor, three children a disappeared husband, etc. etc. by the way a 12 hours a day work in a store. An she looked at least 35-38, and was more than 30 kg over the weight she should be… :eek:

The only one I have met with good condition age appearance are two: Diana/Alisa/Lada the little (155) anal girl… she is 29, and looks around 25/6. And my next sponsored she is 22 and looks 18 (!!) ;) . But she is a chubby, it helps, smoke very lightly and drinks even less, but she eats a lot of sweets… I hope se loves also proteins :p
I think you understand my point of view and I think it mostly the same throughout all the former EE countries: too much smoke, too much drinking, wrong eating, and perhaps pollution.

IT

It Travel

06-16-06, 14:04

[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Women in Russia always look is younger than the years. I very seldom met the woman who look is more senior than the age among the friends. If also there are such women only because they conduct not a correct way of life, a wrong feed and live not with those men. I think, that the secret of a youth of many people is incorporated inside as the person wishes itself to feel and it will be visible to associates. And the Russian women are shone, they wish to be beautiful, young and desired! If the woman speaks, that it to look is younger than the age, it means so itself feels!
[QUOTE]

Dear Victoria, unfortunately I have different opinions, but you have also PM (Personal Mail or Private Mail) from me...

IT

Eros74

06-16-06, 16:41

"Women in Russia always look is younger than the years"

I was only two times in Russia, but I spoke and met many russian girls in net in the last 2 years and 99% of them look really much older than their years..

Victoria, I understand that you are russian, or ukranian.. and your try to defend russian women, but here more or less we all know the truth cause we saw it with our eyes.

I agree with It Travel,eating zero fruits and vegetables, smoking as lada:) and drinking alkohol as fish drinks water made them always older than they are.

Also most of men do not care and do not like about women over 25/30,cause they think are old and under some aspects they surely are.

The same situation I found in czech and slovak republic,where often in entrance of disko I saw bodyguards asking to girls ID cause also 16-17yo look as 20yo and older.

It is very hardly to find in east europe woman about 40yo still sexy,in good shape and beautiful,but it is pretty common in west europe where a girl 18yo still look as child.

They are as rose...so nice...but for very very short time.

p.s. For everybody who wants to see how is the truth,it is enough to do a quickly search in LL for age in russia,or ukraina, and you will see, if they look younger or older than their age. Try it...

It Travel

06-16-06, 17:03

Delgado

06-16-06, 18:06

Sorry but what do you mean with LL...
LL: www.luckylovers.net

CharlieH

06-16-06, 18:52

I also think that many Russian women look older than than really are. I agree with the rose/flower analogy. They blossom early, and fade early as well.

I think the food they eat is not so bad, it sure is better than hamburgers and fries. Maybe it's genetics, EE women tend to gain significant weight in the waist area when they're middle aged. Look at babushkas (babushki)!!!

Tommasini

06-16-06, 20:44

In the villages and smaller cities, the women generally have a more active lifestyle. So few that own cars, just having to walk everywhere will make you more active, and thus (with their physiques) more beautiful... when compared to the western woman (on average).

However, consider the increased rate of smoking in Eastern Europe, and there is a major cause for the sudden decline in beauty. Just my theory.

Tommasini

CA Traveler

06-16-06, 21:19

It is pretty common knowledge that Russian and Ukrainian women age in "dog years" once they hit, or come close to, 30 years old. After that it is a rare one who can maintain their youthful appearance.

Excess

06-16-06, 23:04

Well, it may also be down to associating with bad boys like myself.

After all, I have been behaving badly since I hit 30 - nearly the same thing.

Etaoin2003

06-17-06, 00:21

I am getting younger and cuter every year.

Member #3016

06-17-06, 21:48

Thanks for the comments. Now I know I'm not the only one thinking that way ;-)

Agree, the food isn't so bad but the drinking and the smoke don't help.

Also, I took my gf on a All Inclusive package to Tunisia and saw her belly growing by the day... so she tends to put on weight quite quickly... In Moscow the food she eats will not even be sufficent for a pigeon... (not that she can't buy whatever she wants but she restricts herself a lot... so now I know why she's so slim.)

Carrick

06-18-06, 15:30

Be careful in Moscow with sweet-dreams.ru. I scheduled a meeting with Natasha. Look on the site and tell me if she doesn't look amazing. The gal that showed up looked as if she were about 45 years old; she seemed to be as dumb as a rock; and she was fugly. I stalled by suggesting a coffee, and I just upfront told her that there was no electricity here and gave her 500 roubles for showing up (late). She was visually crushed and kept asking why I didn't like her. It was a bad scene, for sure. I was very dissappointed.

By the way, I stayed right off of Red Square for $50 per night. It is a shyt-hole, but you can't beat the location. I brought a female friend to my room, and the front desk said nothing. Details: Hotel Tsentralnaya off of Metro Chekhovskaya; Phone: 229-8957; some desk clerks speak broken English at best.

Jovon

06-19-06, 04:42

Haven't seen anything here in a while on the Oh La La Club. Is it still open?

I'll be in town in a couple of months' time and was planning a visit.

Advice appreciated.

It Travel

06-19-06, 07:24

Dear Friends

I found very interesting your sponsoring discussions in the Ukraine (Kiev) thread. I write here on ground what I write is in Moscow and of course has to be in Moscow.

In these months I had a lot of contacts, and I can tell you for sure that most sponsoring is for Russians. A lot of girls would not even answer/meet you as a foreigner. :(

Mostly I found two types of sponsoring: occasional and long time: the prices ranges from 150 to 600 USD a day and from 1.500 to 3.500 USD a month (In this case usually the girl should live with you and you pay all her cost, so it’s at least the double).

I found some real beauties and even dogs (cheaper of course). As you know I met some and will meet some more. I found some interesting 6/7 girls giving (I still suppose) nice GFE and are mostly wild in bed.

As somebody says it’s a mutual exchange of favours… living good and wealthy in exchange of GFE and sex.

Most interesting is often beauty and age… I found for a long tome relationship, but I’m not interested on ground I do not live in Moscow, a nearly model type (but a little bit more grown up) model type, just 18! It might be a real thing for a 45 y.o.! :)

As I told I’m more interested in getting a little pig in a bead instead of a stunner with medium attitude. Usually I found that the 6/7 girls sometime are real devils (the stunner usually so not need to be it!), even better if they are even a little bit naïve. This is the reason for whom I prefer sponsoring and even pros (with some exceptions) which are teens. ;)

Bye

IT

Big Bro AJ

06-19-06, 07:26

Dear Helena,

Any news from your new web site and naughty pics...::))))

Lust 7

06-19-06, 08:56

EE aging

It is not genetic.

1) I know personally many EE girls in the USA living western life styles and they look great. Ok bad example, but look at Martha Stewart who is upper 60s and she is EE, and she looks good, or the ex prime mister of Ukraine, Yulia. Personally I think is the most beautiful world leader.

2) Diet. It’s not that bad in EE as they drink a lot of juice and vegetables. Cabbage is king.

What is the cause?

1) Smoking – no question they smoke like a links on a continuous chain.

2) Air pollution I think is a factor, perhaps water also. Pollutants cause free radical damage just like sun damage.

Member #4732

06-19-06, 12:55

IT, please break it down a bit more. 1500 to 6000 a month, that is just the direct cash "stipend", yes? I am very curious how this actually works out.

After the up front "stipend" you have all sorts of additional expenses no? Dinners and shopping are expected, yes?

And what is the level of sex you can expect? How many times a week? Is this something you negotiate up front or is this something you play day by day as you would with a real girlfriend? Is this one of the differences beteen the low end 1500 and the high end?

And how many months are expected. I suppose a one month and done policy is not typical.

Boofer

06-19-06, 14:19

Hi there,

what are good websites for sponsoring girls?

cheers

It Travel

06-19-06, 15:29

Dear friends, usually I just take Fiday-Monday sponsoring… It can go from 500 to 1.500 USD, depend on girls.

I got an offer from a former model (180 cm really skinny) for 1.200 for a long weekend… Of course you have to be kind, the GFE depends on this… food, some little present (usually some lingerie) and of course hotel etc.

The best of sponsoring is, as told, that you can find still naïve teens.

Just for being really transparent, my next one, a chubby blonde, 170, something over 65 kg, medium English and really funny will do anything in bed that you like (intercourse with condom) but nearly all is allowed, in unlimited quantity, she just told me (at a dinner) tha the only things she prefers to food is sex! An I believe her even if not tried her yet … CIM with this long blone hair will be fantastic… and I’ll try to get her with pig tails for anal!

Getting beck to our things

The “monthly” girls usually tend to meet you before at least once, then they will take some luggage and get to your place. Of course you pay a lot for them. Wealthy Russians think they are just part of the house, like the furniture and change them often or, perhaps get two or three girls in the same bed. Usually the normal ones, not the stunners, are treated like home appliances. That is the reason, I suppose, for whom, as a foreigner I get lots of mails from this girls, and from the seen ones, even offers, with a friend, for a duo or so.

Getting out of the office and knowing you have a beautiful one willing teen warming up your be is something too much for me I will not resist one month! I’ve heard from Iriska, good but surely not the best fuck, but offering every thing fro 250 a day plus 200 for her friend Olia, but I’m a little bit tired on them… So I’ll go for others

If you go on www.omen.ru, a site for Russians, you will find hundreds. Approximately one third are fake photos, but the other are real, and sometime you even got the telephone number.

Some have monthly price, some daily, some both. For along weekend just take the daily price and multiply by nights and make some discount, they will accept. Most of the young teens, you recognise them from the homemade pics, some are real models over 23-25, will just ask you an offer, and then they will decide if stay or not… usually for a three night week end 500 USD for a 5-6 girl (but perhaps a 18 teen with incredible tits!), and 800 for a 7 is OK. A model type will go on 1.200. Most will make BBBJ and CIM, less than expected will do anal, few sex photos.

The best thing is to take them to some fun the have not done, think that the non model type, I got a date with a very sophisticated one, wanting 500 USD a day, will be happy with some food in a quite normal restaurant: all will ask for sushi, and half will not eat it! Mind they usually are quite simple and not wealthy, being clerks or working in shops for 300/400 USD a month (even less) and in Moscow it’s really nothing. So they do not have any money for any thing.

Iriska was 22 (telephone not avaliable... sorry), so se was born during the collapse of the Soviet Union. I took her skating (on ice)… at Gorki Park: 300 RUR an hour, she never did it in her life… living in Russia, a girl wich never skated! So mind that if you treat them gently they will be happy, they are not simulating anything, you are just buying some days of their lives and they are happy to sell it. If you look at www.omen.ru, at the top lists of girl interests there is fantastic, fantasy and so on… they just dream of being others for some days. With monthly girls I suppose it’s different. I have seen some teens around 100.000 RUR/onth I think I will die for!

I hope the thinking is clear, and I must say that some of my favourite pros sometimes are treated, by me, in the same manner, just staying there more time. Of course thy are not naïve, but they are more skilled and, obviously, more expensive.

The best thing you can do is just book an hotel for the days chosen, and book them as guests too… And just fuck them as much as you can, by the way there are even few duos for sponsorship.

IT

Member #4732

06-19-06, 17:51

IT thanks for reply, very informative.

Yes, I have seen the omen "looking for sponsor" ads. And also in love.mail.ru. It seems that in many cases these are pros who hope to land a sponsorship. I know this for a fact that most of the "want sponsor" ads on love.mail.ru are hourly pros as well. As much as anyone is a pro, since many younger pros are full time students as well.

There is a subtle difference b/t the pros hoping to find a sponsor and the girls who only want a sponsor and will not work short time. The girls who work hourly but hope to land a sponsor will post their phone numbers. The girls who only want a sponsor typically do not post their phone numbers. They expect you to give them your email or your number and then contact you to set up a meeting. I exchanged emails with a few stunners like this but I was turned off by their monthly price quotes when I tried to compare the amount of fun that could be had for the same $ spent incrementally.

There was even one super hot duo that would only accept someone to sponsor both of them. Would that I had the wallet for that scene.

However, your points about weekend sponsorship is interesting and something I might consider as my todo list on the SPB pro market is non-existent right now.

So, let me get this right, IT. Some of the "sponsor only" types that will refuse hour and two hour work, could be approached for a weekend? That is an interesting option. I assumed it was "monthly" or nothing with those girls. This opens a whole new set of options.

Here is a link to a "monthly" only ad on ome.
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884

She quotes 50,000R month -> $1800 USD. I would not spring for that on a montly basis as I want more variety anyway. But I might enjoy her company for a weekend. What do you recommend starting the negotiation at for a weekend?

I did meet one beautiful and sexy Moldavan pro in SPB who's fantasy is to go to Paris. I asked her if I paid for trip would she would go as my girlfriend and not expect additional compensation. She said, of course, if I paid for trip she would be my girlfriend. Something to consider.

Tenchi

06-19-06, 19:31

re :http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884

just thought you should know that the lass in that ad's pic is a porn model... I've noticed this is the case with a lot of those omen sponsor ads, bit hit and miss though I guess.

Good luck though

It Travel

06-19-06, 19:58

No negotiation,
I just believe that the pics are not true for 50.000 RUR a month.

A sponsorship in that area of price means that the girl(s) are at your home...

I'll have some problems in belive it!

Contact her and ask for a dinner (of corse you have to pay), in a very nice restaurant, telling that she might be as beautiful as the picture... not the "same" girl as the picture (this has no really importance, and the fact that you tell her is really important).

If she come, ok go on, if she do not come, just eat...

I can suggest you a good restaurant on Petrovka, on the left side coming from the Red Square, just before the monastery on the right side, I do not rememebr the name, but you'll find it...

Bye

PS by the way I have never spoken in sponsorship on "hour work", it's always at laest day work, otherwise they think you treat them like a ***** and you will be pissed off by GFE!!! ;)

IT thanks for reply, very informative.

Yes, I have seen the omen "looking for sponsor" ads. And also in love.mail.ru. It seems that in many cases these are pros who hope to land a sponsorship. I know this for a fact that most of the "want sponsor" ads on love.mail.ru are hourly pros as well. As much as anyone is a pro, since many younger pros are full time students as well.

There is a subtle difference b/t the pros hoping to find a sponsor and the girls who only want a sponsor and will not work short time. The girls who work hourly but hope to land a sponsor will post their phone numbers. The girls who only want a sponsor typically do not post their phone numbers. They expect you to give them your email or your number and then contact you to set up a meeting. I exchanged emails with a few stunners like this but I was turned off by their monthly price quotes when I tried to compare the amount of fun that could be had for the same $ spent incrementally.

There was even one super hot duo that would only accept someone to sponsor both of them. Would that I had the wallet for that scene.

However, your points about weekend sponsorship is interesting and something I might consider as my todo list on the SPB pro market is non-existent right now.

So, let me get this right, IT. Some of the "sponsor only" types that will refuse hour and two hour work, could be approached for a weekend? That is an interesting option. I assumed it was "monthly" or nothing with those girls. This opens a whole new set of options.

Here is a link to a "monthly" only ad on ome.
http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884

She quotes 50,000R month -> $1800 USD. I would not spring for that on a montly basis as I want more variety anyway. But I might enjoy her company for a weekend. What do you recommend starting the negotiation at for a weekend?

I did meet one beautiful and sexy Moldavan pro in SPB who's fantasy is to go to Paris. I asked her if I paid for trip would she would go as my girlfriend and not expect additional compensation. She said, of course, if I paid for trip she would be my girlfriend. Something to consider.

Member #4732

06-19-06, 21:09

Several points:

Yeah, the 50,000R ($1800) seems low considering that you suggested weekend prices can go up to $1200.

What would you expect a looker like that to command for a weekend in Moscow terms? This by the way is an SPB girl. As I live in SPB, but there is no discussion of sponsorship there, so I jumped in this thread.

Why do you write that the 50,000 implies she wishes to "move in"? Is it possible she has other job and just wants sponsorship for luxury money. Of course, this would also limit the amount of time she was willing to spend with the sponsor. That is why I asked if there were conventions for time spent toghter in one of those monthly arrangements if you were not living together.

Also, I understand that sponsorship is considered quite different from hourly prostitution. And, yes, for a woman who posts exclusively for sponsorship I would never suggest hourly meeting, as I know they would take offense.

However, I only mentioned that there are quite a few posts on love.mail.ru where the girls are primarily hourly pros and make no bones about it, but they ALSO post that they are looking for a sponsor. That is why I was saying there are two types. Those who are looking exclusively for sponsorship, and those who are working hourly but hoping to "move up" to a sponsorship.

One last thing. Some of the sponsorship adds also have a quote for "meeeting". How is this different from "night" price quoted by the pure prostitution ads? Or are they the same thing?

Here is example with a 6000R price for "meeting".
Цена за встречу 6000 руб

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641778

San Tarm

06-21-06, 10:55

Jovon

06-23-06, 07:14

OK, let me try this again.

Is the Oh La La still open? Anybody been there lately?

Is it worth a visit?

Thanks

It Travel

06-23-06, 14:04

Hey IT,

Would it be too difficult to find a "real" russki GF. I mean: no obligations, you would bang her as long as you find it enjoyable, then go to next one.

Of course it would not be cheap either - you would have to buy her presents - but not as expensive as sponsorship girls.

I do not think it is so difficult. If you are under 45, good aspect and better wallet and, of course, live in Moscow they will still queue for you!

Unfortunately I'm in Russia only few days each time and with very little time to spend privately. For me sponsorhip or hooker is better and cheaper!

Bye

IT

It Travel

06-23-06, 14:11

It Travel

06-23-06, 14:20

Rovnak

some links in SPB for sponsoring I belive the pics are true (then if the girl coming is the same of the picture I surely do not know!).

No model type, but specially the last ones seems not bad at all...

let me know if you get to nail some... ;)

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=640877

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=633382

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641273

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=630492

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=631071

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603222

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=627603

http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=607740

IT

Sparkey

06-23-06, 17:30

Question - I was in Moscow a few weeks back and stopped by Ishtar on 2 separate evenings only to find it was closed.

Does anyone know if this world class brothel is still open?

If not what is the best alternative?

Synombinky

06-23-06, 23:07

This keeps going back and forth, back and forth. So I'll add another back. I'd recommend EE women anytime. In my opinion (of course, there are exceptions everywhere) they usually TRY a hell of a lot harder to look good than their american counterparts (see the American Women section of the board for that rant). Granted, I'm in Prague and not Moscow, but the women around here sure dress and try harder to look better, or at least they dress a hell of a lot more "feminine" than women of the same age group in the U.S. Thank f***ing GOD the women here don't all walk around in sweatpants, sweatshirts, white tennis shoes and fanny packs. They're all still trying to look like Gloria Swanson. I've actually only seen one woman with hairy legs so far, but she had a shaved head and an orange robe, so I'm pretty sure it was a cult thing. True, old ladies are old ladies, but seeing a group of thirtysomethings all squeezed into low-cut summer dresses, push-up bras and pumps never fails to bring a smile to my face. Hard living ages people, but for my money most of these ladies have to move their asses far too often to let them get too big. So I guess that's my 2 kopeks.

Binky

"Women in Russia always look is younger than the years"

I was only two times in Russia, but I spoke and met many russian girls in net in the last 2 years and 99% of them look really much older than their years..

Victoria, I understand that you are russian, or ukranian.. and your try to defend russian women, but here more or less we all know the truth cause we saw it with our eyes.

I agree with It Travel,eating zero fruits and vegetables, smoking as lada:) and drinking alkohol as fish drinks water made them always older than they are.

Also most of men do not care and do not like about women over 25/30,cause they think are old and under some aspects they surely are.

The same situation I found in czech and slovak republic,where often in entrance of disko I saw bodyguards asking to girls ID cause also 16-17yo look as 20yo and older.

It is very hardly to find in east europe woman about 40yo still sexy,in good shape and beautiful,but it is pretty common in west europe where a girl 18yo still look as child.

They are as rose...so nice...but for very very short time.

p.s. For everybody who wants to see how is the truth,it is enough to do a quickly search in LL for age in russia,or ukraina, and you will see, if they look younger or older than their age. Try it...

Cartesio

06-25-06, 17:41

Hello guys,

I am thinking to visit Moscow for one week in July because I am attracted from the "incredible russian beauty".

I am reading this forum, but it is not an easy task.

Can you say me if Moscow is dangerous for strangers, especially for men looking for women?

What do you suggest? Hotel or apartmen?

Any other relevant information?

Thank a lot

Cartesio

Bez Bezarra

06-26-06, 12:34

Its official!

Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!

Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.

Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?

Non-oligarchs need not apply.

CharlieH

06-27-06, 06:54

Its official!

Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!

Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.

Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?

Non-oligarchs need not apply.

This could be both good and bad. Aside from the apparent negatives, the bright side is the high cost in Moscow will deter many potential tourists from visiting.

Banana Finger

06-27-06, 07:37

OK, let me try this again.

Is the Oh La La still open? Anybody been there lately?

Is it worth a visit?

ThanksHey dude, I was there in may and it was still rocking - its always worth a visit IMHO - especially if you havent been before.

I will get round to posting a trip report sometime.

Bez Bezarra

06-27-06, 12:17

This could be bad, the cost will deter many visiting.

Less competition will NOT help. Keeping away everyone
who isn't willing to pay ridiculous prices means that the
mamachkas can keep raising the price, and since the
fat cats don't care how much they pay, they'll just keep
paying more and more.

It should work the opposite way, supply versus demand,
but it won't in new world capital of greed.

Doctor_Skank

06-27-06, 14:33

CharlieH:

Bez is right, the lack of tourists doesnt keep the price down, if anything it keeps the price up.

Moscow is indeed the capital of greed, and any sensible working girl will try to make as much as she can. Girls arent charging $200+ at Boarhouse because they are evil... they charge so much because they can get away with it... it may seem like greed, but it is actually simple economics, which are based on greed, so I guess it is greed, and if greed is evil, that makes the girls greedy AND evil too. Fucking suki!

Wow, that was simple.

It Travel

06-27-06, 14:40

dear Doc and Bez,

I agree totally with you.

A lot of things are even more $$$ in Moscow than in EU.

But girls are still wonderful... I'll be thre soon for some days sex (I have also some working). It's amazing how you find girls asking 400 USD! The problem is that they get them... Some stupid is getting the market destroyed.

I will tell more on my sponsored girls when I'm back, might be interesting. Contacted some...

Bye
IT

Gentleman Travel

06-27-06, 19:16

Its official!

Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!

Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.

Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?

Non-oligarchs need not apply.While I agree this must drive the price of pros up.

I wonder if it can create an opportunity for hunting non-pros?

I mean, how can secretaries, shopgirls or even educated office workers afford to survive in Moscow? Well, maybe more of them will be forced to consider "other" sources of income. Now if these ladies seek business in the same places as pros do, then they will tend to charge something like pro prices.

But if we can find "motivated" girls before they have explicitly hung out their shingle (turned on their red light) then the price structure could be quite different. To look at it another way, how many low-wage earners can afford to refuse your $200 (or other valuable consideration) for the night? Especially if properly wrapped in romance.

My point is that there will more and more girls living at the margins, and that is where the marginal income from guys like us could become increasingly important to them.

GT

Doctor_Skank

06-27-06, 22:46

Bez,

Well if there is one positive thing that Moscow greed has produced its lots of young girls that want to get ahead in life and oodles of 30ish hand-me-down models past their prime looking for a ticket anywhere.

None of this costs more than a little game. And sometimes not even that... :)

Piper1

06-27-06, 23:09

... and oodles of 30ish hand-me-down models past their prime looking for a ticket anywhere.Speaking of ticket anywhere - can anyone recommend free websites for contacting non-pro girls in Russia?

Bez Bezarra

06-28-06, 01:03

Bez the tourist dont keep the pingi up.

Moscow the capital of greedy girls ass.

Girls are evil and greed is evil, the girls greedy AND evil.

Fuckii!

Wow.

So.....like what are you saying?

I must confess that you are dissapointing your fans with your trend
away from faces with nudity.

Hopefully there will always be university students who will be happy
to have a foreigner sponsor them, sometime preferring us to local
leather who treat them like garbage.

Speaking for those with limited game, generosity was painless after
this princess of the motherland showered me with her primal passion.

Under protest until the Skanks brings back smiling beavers,
pretty pale blue eyes that still send shivers down my shaft are
sadly cropped out on this red snapper goddess.

Doctor_Skank

06-28-06, 21:00

Sorry Bez, cant post many faces these days... I agree that it sucks, but there are extenuating circumstances which prohibit such...

I know that lately there is more bad news than good news when it comes to the pursuit of our favorite breed of women, but I havent given up hope nor stopped searching for the mother lode nor discontinued the obsessive hobby of dyev worship... nor will I ever stop fighting for my piece of the pie.

Surrender is not an option for us... attack is the only option.

Piper1

06-28-06, 23:35

... to the guys who PMd me some sites after my request. And thanks for not telling me to "RTFF!" :) You guys are too nice, especially Doc.

I have a couple of Brit girls lined up since I posted my request - what a challenge! Will see how it goes.

Helena Moscow

06-29-06, 12:24

Its official!

Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!

Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.

Another official boolshit. I just came from Spain. Even a fucking Lloret de Mar is more expensive than Moscow. In Barcelona everything is expensive, too. Some cheap places exist, of course, but far from where forigners go.

Helena Moscow

06-29-06, 12:47

CharlieH:

Moscow is indeed the capital of greed, and any sensible working girl will try to make as much as she can. Girls arent charging $200+ at Boarhouse because they are evil... they charge so much because they can get away with it... it may seem like greed, but it is actually simple economics, which are based on greed, so I guess it is greed, and if greed is evil, that makes the girls greedy AND evil too. Fucking suki!

Wow, that was simple.

If Moscow is The capital of greed, then why on most American sites girls (ordinary-looking) ask 400$ per hour and 1500$ overnight? Dinner in a restaurant - 800$. On British sites it's even better: same numbers but in GBP ;))))). Models ask more. Sometimes I am completely at a loss, who lost the sence of reality: they or us... I just know that in Russia you can get this money only as an accident, ones a year, the rest of time if you insist on this amount, you'll sit without work, even if you body is made of gold and pussy of diamond. Unfortunately...

Doctor_Skank

06-29-06, 13:34

"If Moscow is The capital of greed, then why on most American sites girls (ordinary-looking) ask 400$ per hour and 1500$ overnight? Dinner in a restaurant - 800$."

Moscow still is the capital of greed, but I wasnt refering to the sex trade in general. In America and England sex is totally overpriced because both of these countries are sexually repressed, at least in terms of prostitution. This sexual repression overvalues sex and pussy and women and agencies take advantage of that fact. Its also one of the reasons the girls at Night Flight love American and English businessmen who happily pay $500 for sex with a grade B blonde with the excuse that "back home this woulda cost me $700!" So rather than thinking they hopelessly overpaid by $300, they think they saved $200... :)

If prostitutes were so freely available at normal prices in the US, UK or even Italy for that matter, there wouldnt be any need for people from these countries to spend $1000s travelling around the world for pussy.

As for me, mid-level Moscow prices ($200) are already almost above what I am willing to pay. Its not a question of being able to pay, its a question both of sense and pride. Paying $500 for sex would make me feel used and like a fool... I know that some people think paying $500 for sex makes them feel powerful and strong... maybe I'd feel the same if I was a millionaire and didnt actually have to earn my money. I suppose worrying about the cost of sex is in violation with the Russian mentality that money is God and God is money, but these concerns are also an expression of my reality and the reality of most of my ISG brethren... :) Its simply a fact of life that for great cheap pro sex, the "good old days" in Moscow are long long gone. Great sex with pros is still out there, but harder to find and more expensive every day. The $100 overnighter with a fresh cutie from Tomsk just doesnt happen anymore, but we all know that and there is no point bitching about it.

By the way, I just had some of the best pro sex I have ever had in Odessa, 2 guys banging a really great chick over the course of 2+ hours for $150... anal, swallowing, BBBJ, DFK.. truly an all included holiday package. Secretary on her "lunchbreak" earning some extra cash. That's the reality I prefer.

As for Moscow being the most expensive city, as I said before these polls are based on economic factors that most people dont even consider, such as real estate prices,. cost of office space etc. In real terms Moscow is on the same price level as any normal European capital... fine for us, but too expensive for much of the Zhiguli-driving and metro-riding Moscow population.

And to supplement what Big Bro just wrote, I have also always said the best part about Moscow is the mix, there is much sex available there for the taking that doesnt cost anything... but as a "pure" sex destination, Moscow is "price-intensive"...

Piper1

06-29-06, 14:12

See what happens when you're too skanky?

Ok, well it seems you truly do have some circumstantial extenuations
with the Piper's pipe, perhaps your "attack" would be better served
with penicillin.Huh? .

Big Bro AJ

06-29-06, 14:27

This time I am coming with my Moldavian girlfriend to beloved Moscow. Luckily, she loves strip clubs and she is bisexual. I’ll be there for sinful days and nights.

Who cares whether Moscow is the most expensive city or not…

I have always enjoyed in every single visit. I am not after $400 and up 9-10/10 model type girls; $200-300 GFE type/beautiful girls and/or girl next-door type 24-35 years old women always attract me.

Hanging out at NF is entertaining but it’s nonsense to pay $400-450 for 2 hours. Most mongers are too lazy or afraid to explore the splendid Moscow nights. Live music clubs/bars are the unexpected one-night long freebie action spots.

Booze, attracted women, delicious sea food (lobster, crap, tiger shrimps and sea horse), cheap sushi, head blowing kalyans, smoking exotic tobaccos with churchwardens, enjoying the Cubans while watching the sunset at City Space in Swiss Hotel, gambling and awesome nightlife…plus crazy Georgian and Gipsy drivers and road bugs jigulis… what else do I need…::))

Lovely, Helena,

Any news from your new web site? Love the black corset....You look yummier...::)))

Helena Moscow

06-29-06, 21:32

Lovely, Helena,

Any news from your new web site? Love the black corset....You look yummier...::)))

Yes, Big Bro, good news. Site is ready. Tomorrow will search hosting ;).

Kosmos

06-30-06, 00:49

Fellow mongers! I will be in Moscow in 1.5 weeks on business for a week. 1 day in Lipetsk, Cherepovets. I speak the language, but haven't been in the motherland for a long time. Business brings me back.....

1) Staying in Hotel UKRAINA on the business floor. Is it girl friendly? What kind of girls (quality/prices) will I find downstairs in the bar/lobby? Don't have much time to go out, but will if I have too.

2) What are the good massage places to relax after a long flight, where I can get a good BJ at the end (preferably bare)

3) Do any of you, have phone #'s of the tried girls that you can recommed please? I don't trust some of the pics on the web-sites - some of them are too good to be true. And if they are true - too expensive

4) My budget is $100-$150 2-3hrs max - don't have time for all nighters (gotta work in the morning). Willing to pay $250 for a good treesome. Love tall girls. Want to party every night!!!

Any help will be appreciated!
Spasibo

Kosmos

CharlieH

06-30-06, 05:42

It's certainly bad for the hobby but might not be a bad thing for freebie hunting. The high cost of living will deter casual tourists from visiting. Moscow won't become another another Prague, the barrier of entry is high in Moskva. We will not see college students going to Moscow for spring break. They can't afford it.

Bunnyboy

06-30-06, 13:24

The Hotel Ukraina is girl friendly. There are the same half a dozen or so girls who arrive at the hotel bar every evening. The first shows up around 9pm and most are there by 11pm. They can easily be recognized. In my opinion, they are on a scale of about a 7, by Russian standards (we mongers have high standards here, don't we?). You have to go up to them and make conversation because they are instructed not to bother the hotel guests who don't show interest. In one amusing display, I listened to one of the girls annoyingly play her cellphone ringtones for 15 minutes in an attempt to draw attention. I do not know the prices of the bar girls there, sorry.

The security guards are everwhere, if you call that security. Except for your initial check-in with your luggage, you'll never get stopped again to go thru their metal detector even if you are carrying some large bags. The guards will also not stop a girl with you (at least that is my experience which I tested 4 or 5 times this month) even if they see her with you but just look you over as you walk by to size you up for trouble. So have your phone numbers handy when you arrive!

Enjoy your stay in Moscow, Kosmos!

Helena Moscow

06-30-06, 13:26

1) Staying in Hotel UKRAINA on the business floor. Is it girl friendly? What kind of girls (quality/prices) will I find downstairs in the bar/lobby? Don't have much time to go out, but will if I have too.

Ukraina is quite friendly. In the day time noone asks question, in the night girls must register in your room. Going out with a guest card (which is given to a girl after registration) is no problem. I heard from clients that girls from downstairs go for 50-70$.

Big Bro AJ

06-30-06, 14:49

Last time I paid $45 from Sheremotova II to Kolomenskaya....

Any updates for taxi fares?

Scoubidou

06-30-06, 17:46

I never take official taxi in MOCKBA, but I have some experience with "typical" taxi
At any location and at any times, you can stop a car by staying on the side of the street and pointing your right hand finger down to the road, then a lot of cars should stop nearby.

I you know to speak a little bit Russian it will help you to explain where you are going to and to bargain.

Unofficial rates are following : 200 RUB with each 30 mn within first ring a little less expensive outside.

Typically you will pay 100-150 RUB to go from Orlyonok hotel (located nearby MOSCKBA University) to city center at day time and 150-200 RUB at night to come back to same hotel from KURSKAYA station (CF)

If the driver is driving a typical "old" Russian car and going to the same direction as you, you can expect to pay 50-100 RUB instead of 100-150 RUB.

Do not hesitate to take a typical Russian car (LADA, JIGOULI, GAZ Volga,...) this will be an unforgettable experience, but do not take a car at night when there are two people in front seats or if the driver is looking too much a "brown" guy face
(Chechen..).

Helena Moscow

06-30-06, 20:03

Last time I paid $45 from Sheremotova II to Kolomenskaya....

Any updates for taxi fares?

Airport - Center of Moscow - 1300Rub (about 50$) plus may be some extra fee (reasonable) from Center to Kolomenskaya. Tel.: 940-88-88. I just don't know if they speak English.

Cicciolino

06-30-06, 20:57

There are so many offers for airport transfers in Moscow, but I think for not russian speaking people www.gotoru.com is an attractive provider. I used it already several times and there have been never any problems, it has been always reliable. Prices: Rus Car RUB 1080, Western Car RUB 1170, Western "Business" Car RUB 1410

Etaoin2003

06-30-06, 23:10

At any location and at any times, you can stop a car by staying on the side of the street and pointing your right hand finger down to the road, then a lot of cars should stop nearby.

Yeah, I did that. I was heading down the road, not all that far ... Leninski Prospekt, except that I said Leninskaya, since all I know of Russki is pazhalsta and spasiba and three or four other obvious words.

I wrote the number on a piece of paper. 300 rubles. He heads across the river. Oh shit, I think. This guy is taking me out to God-knows-where. And we have one of those I-don't-speak hand-waving conversations.

Big U-turn, back across the river. It was a short ride to my destination and I think he will enjoy the overpayment.

I now feel very worldly. :-)

Etaoin2003

06-30-06, 23:15

Airport - Center of Moscow - 1300Rub (about 50$) plus may be some extra fee (reasonable) from Center to Kolomenskaya. Tel.: 940-88-88. I just don't know if they speak English.

http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/ArrivalDeparture.html

"Sheremetyevo - Moscow by Bus. If you're on a budget or want a real Russian experience, take a bus. Note, that the buses operate only from 5.40 until 24.00. If you arrive later than 23.00 your only option is a taxi. You can just walk outside of the airport (ground floor, right wing exit) and in front of you there will be a bus stand. There are either buses or shuttles-marshrutkas. They work from 6.00 until 22:00 - 23:00 and go to the nearest metro stations 'Rechnoy Vokzal' (green line, north) or 'Planernaya' (violet line, north-west) and cost from 5 R (for buses) to 25 R = $1 (for shuttles). It will take around 30 minutes to get to the metro."

I did this. 5 rubles for the bus, 15 for the Metro, and walk to the hotel. I would not do it in the dark. And the guys outside the airport are really eager to put you in a cab. It is good to know how to read "rechnoy voksal" in Cyrillic.

It Travel

07-01-06, 10:42

Of course thre are lots of gipsy taxis everywhere, there are no dangers, but from the airport they all know that you have some money with you. Usually there is no risk but some robbed guys ended to the Police Station and I red on them in the papers.

By the way I usually use Intourist service for transfers. They can be booked by e-mail, and they speak most languages of the world (English, German, Spanish, Italian, French, etc). You will even get invoice.

When you arrive you have to exit the baggage claim and then go to the centre of the arrival hall. You will find a booth. Where you get car and driver.

The price for Moscow centre is approx. standard 48 USD from the airport to the city and 40 USD the referse (in the first case they have to wait you).

But you can't get the service "on spot" you have to book it, is fast and reliable. Always on time.

IT

Helena Moscow

07-01-06, 23:01

http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/ArrivalDeparture.html

"Sheremetyevo - Moscow by Bus. If you're on a budget or want a real Russian experience, take a bus. Note, that the buses operate only from 5.40 until 24.00.

I heard we now have also a train from Sheremetievo which goes to Savelovskaya metro station. Probably it doesn't work in the night, as well as bus. They must have some info on their web-site if the train really exists.

Russia Fan

07-02-06, 07:43

I have read on this site from time to time requests of prospective mongers, perhaps unfamiliar with Moscow and its nightlife, for help and guidance. One of the best ways of securing help is, of course, to read this site ! The contributions provide a breadth and level of pragmatism which is truly awesome ! A good alternative, particularly when you are a little uncertain about venturing out at night alone, is to find somebody who knows the environment to show you around. This is easier said than done when contacts here are limited.

When I arrived in Moscow many months ago I had the good fortune to meet a guy who has been of great help. He is originally from the Cameroon but has been in Moscow a while and speaks good Russian, also perfect English and French. He has taken me out to a number of clubs and I found him to be well organised, reliable, very honest and very personable. He worked for a night club here and I know he has taken business men around the night spots many times so has real insider knowledge. He also has real ability to charm the women here so he is a great asset for any night out !

I like this guy personally and he could do with a little business hence my motivation to promote him like this. By Western standards, he charges very little, so if anybody is interesting in using him as a guide, please PM me and I will provide his contact details and answer any questions. He has also just created a website (still in beta-form!): www.dreammoscownights.com

Hope this is useful, enjoy Moscow !

Big Bro AJ

07-02-06, 08:13

Thanks for the informative messages.

As I wrote in my previous posts, I have always preferred the irregular taxis in the city. Georgian and Gypsy drivers are too sharp.

Last time drivers at the airport looked too organized, and because of the cold weather I needed to accept to pay $55 to a jiguli(At least I arrived in one piece). In my previous visits I paid $40-45 for the transport and they drove new model Opel, Skoda,Toyota,Hundia and Yolga....

Any way, negotiating the price is always fun. I learned that ignoring some of the drivers might be an advantage to negotiate the price.

I don’t trust the agencies which pick you up from the airport. I had bad experiences. I even use irregular taxis to go the airport, I have never paid more than 1000 Rubles.

Starchild2012

07-04-06, 06:28

How about walking all the way right from the airport to the hotel ;)

Is that possible...a good way to know the routes and the people around.

Innovative method to save bucks ;)

The cost of living in moscow is increasing everyday...I was thinking how about I stay in one of the apartment's of the escorts :)....for sure most of the escorts live in the centre of the city and have decent apartments.

The obvious advantage includes, a live russian translator, security, low rent, free to come and go anytime, best of all N-number of companions allowed ;) day in and day out...no questions asked.

The big disadvantage is when her customers starts coming in :( ..is there any way to get around that ..

Lego Maniac

07-05-06, 07:27

I will be in Moscow in a few weeks (for a weeks) and was hoping for some help. First, other then NF are there any other clubs recommended where pretty much all the girls are hot and available. I am looking for top quality and willing to pay a few dollars more to get it. After reading 109s strip club report it seems that there is alot of talent but are most the girls willing to leave?

I speak no russian and will try to pick up what I can but I definitely have more money then brains. I like places where you can talk to a girl make sure she seems fun (never can be sure) and go back to the hotel. As it is vacation I am hoping for all 8-10s. Any help will be greatl appreciated. I also promise to write daily descriptive reports on my adventures.

I was also planning on bringing a friend from India if we stick to clubs should we be xetra concerned about our safety. We don't plan to venture to far out we are only going for fun.

Jbird69

07-05-06, 11:18

Anyone have any places/girls I should call?

SexWithSmile

07-05-06, 18:14

Hello fellow mongers,

I have just arrived to Moscow for business, and will be lucky enough to stay 2 weeks.
My humble contribution to this forum: I have found this great site for renting appartments: they are small, but very well maintained, great service and quite flashy, centrally located, and they accept credit cards. Check out this well-done site: http://www.apartmentres.com/en/apartments/moscow/ - for the appartment where I am, close to Pushkinskaya, photos are real.

So problem of hotel friendli(un-)ness is sorted out. Just need to try the jacuzzi with a local now.

Because girls look gorgeous in the street (those Russians know how to dress… especially in summer), I need to look for some good GFE with young size (I know I can still seduce them… although money always helps…).

I did my RTFF (as a dedicated Forum Reader), and eliminated the rip-off (NF), the over-priced hostess and the massage – left with the following but maybe some of you can comment from their own experience:

- www.dreammoscownights.com: an “nightclub” expert to show you the good places and serve as an introduction to locals… 10 pm to 6 am is $ 80; I suppose it’s not an hourly rate, and I don’t have to pay him too many overpriced drinks; that may be good introduction.

- Safari Lounge, 32 Ul. Pokrovka (M. Kitai-Gorod / Kurskaya): some Google exploration starting with Oh La La posted on this site – sounds cool strip club with students, entrance fee R 500, R 250 for a vodka, R 100 for lap dance and $ 100 for 30 minutes sex (not interested in that one, I prefer to try to take one out during weekend day, more fun – any chance for a decent fee?)

- http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=633382 just an example posted by It Travel – seems good sponsorship for GFE, but Russian site is intimidating, what chance that they speak Russia? Well, $ 500 for a weekend seems good to me, I’ve read all your posts, and check with the Sales Manager working here for some help.

- http://www.yourfantasy.ru/ (Helena Moscow): some heated arguments with favorables and unfavorables opinions here, I see price of $ 250 overnight – confirmed? The girls are quite decent on the pics, even though accepting some mild photoshop.

- Boarhouse Chesterfield Doug & Marty’s (http://www.boarhouse.ru/boarhouse/main.html): do I understand that this same cool-looking expat bar is full of average (but what is average in Moscow?) semi-pros which you may get for $ 250 average overnight. When do they start (don’t tell me they just come at 11 pm – I must work in the morning)?

- www.redclub.com: catalogue on internet, but no idea on how to use it? Is it worth a try, or only super-pro’s?

- The Tochka, brillantly described by Doctor Skand (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445088&postcount=3427); ready to try if I find a funny business partner.

- MichaelGage best post: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=256344&postcount=1701

Gentlemen, nobody can say I didn’t do my RTFF part I think. Now, before I start putting this in practice, any recommendation?

Happy mongering and thanks in advance.

Ffmbud

07-05-06, 19:23

We'll I checked out Ooh La La strip joint/bordelo in Moscow and its was dead. No one there except me and a couple having dinner. About a dozen women, but all pretty skanky. I wasted 600 rubles entrance but left after 10 minutes, and this was around 11:30 pm. Jumped into a gypsy cab and asked to be taken to the reliable Safari Lounge. Driver says to me that Ooh La La is shit now. SF was hot as ever!

Driver told me that Rasputin is better.

Don't waste your time, cab fare or money at O-L-L.

Coolguy27

07-06-06, 05:25

Hey guys,

This is my first post here. I am travelling to Moscow for the 1st time for a few days from the 15th July. Wondering if any of you guys interested to meet up and party. It should be fun.

Ffmbud

07-06-06, 07:47

OK, so I gave Victoria some business and called her (yourfantasy.ru or sweet-dreams.ru) and she sent over Svetlana. She showed up half an hour late (3:30am), didn't even come close to the photo (showing a young 24 hard body) in fact was a droppy titted, fat butted woman, who spoke limited English. Demanded payment up front ($150 for 2 hrs) CBJ only and the main act was like trying to screw the Holland Tunnel (I couldn't get any traction and I ain't small in the girth department I'm told). After one shot, she got dressed and told me that she was leaving after 80 mins, claiming she showed up at 3:00am. After some debate, I kicked her out as she was demanding more funds to stay longer.

The next day I called Victoria and her comment was "Oh I've had trouble with Svetlana", well what the hell is she sending her out then? Offered to send another, Tamara, for 2-3 hrs for another $100. I'm soured by the whole experience with her agencies now. Not a single one looks like their photos and this one gave the crappiest service.

Buyers BEWARE!

Kalif

07-06-06, 10:39

Dear all,

I would also like to tell you about the dissapointments I have had with sweet-dreams.ru (Victoria).

The first time I used the service was about 6 months ago. I wanted to order one girl for an hour, but was offered by Victoria to take two girls for 200$ an hour. The first girl came 45 mins late and didn't know that there was a second girl on the way. The second girl was an additional 15 minutes (60 mins in total) late. Neither of the girls looked anything like the photos in the website. However, horny as I was, I didn't complain too much since I only wanted to start my "work-out" as soon as possible. I was so horny that I shot my first load in approx. 10 minutes. At this time the girls had been in my apartment for not more than 20 minutes in total. The girls told that they have to take a shower. 10 minutes later the girls come out of the bathroom fully clothed. I am totally stund and ask what is going on? The girls tell that Victoria had told them that the service only consists of one orgasm, since I paid only 200$ for one hour. This price was offered to me by Victoria, not asked by me! So I call Victoria and she tells me that "our services consist of 1 orgasm for 1 hour." I got so pissed of by this ripp-off that I just told the girls to leave.

I used the services of Victoria (don't ask me why) for the second time a month ago. I asked for a very petite, slim and young girl (Oksana, if I remember the name correctly), but the girl who rang my doorbell (45 mins late of course) was approx. 165 cm tall and weighted 60kg, so nothing like in the pictures in the website. I called Viktoria, but she insisted that the girl was the same as in the pictures. A big fat lie!
I know it is not nice to write this kind of negative report about a service provider, but however I think it is anyway fair to share this kind of info to fellow mongers.
Moscow is full of very pretty pros, so therefore I do not want anyone else to have negative experiences if they can be avoided.

(Sorry for the long post)

Kalif

07-06-06, 11:16

There is an apartment next to Pavlyetskaya station (Ulitsa Tatarskaya, next to Restaurant El Gaucho which serves the best steaks in Moscow by the way) where the selection of the girls was super!

Was there for the first time a week ago and could select from approx. 20 girls. Selected a gorgeus slim brunette who gave a great ride with all the positions. My favourite was doggy when I could watch us from the big mirror on the wall.

This is a place which I can recommed to anyone who has an extra one hour to spend for pleasure. It is also great place to drop in when going to Domodedovo Airport express train, since it is so close to the station.

The prices are from 2000 to 3000 RUB an hour depending on the girl.

Member #4732

07-06-06, 15:32

Kalif,

very good to know, but what is the contact information? Is there a phone number or internet link you can share?

Helena Moscow

07-06-06, 16:57

- http://www.yourfantasy.ru/ (Helena Moscow): some heated arguments with favorables and unfavorables opinions here, I see price of $ 250 overnight – confirmed? The girls are quite decent on the pics, even though accepting some mild photoshop.

Mistake ;).
Yourfantasy.ru is not my site, but Victoria's. My overnight price starts at 300$, not 250. My pictures are not photoshopped.

Uke Boy

07-07-06, 05:07

In the USA and in Western Europe, plus many other parts of the world, when a service or product provider such as yourself attacks the client, that means the client is correct in his statements and you have no defense other than your baseless cries.

It does seems from the many very similar posts from many different people that you provide a very bad service. And it seems that the client is always at fault, never you, never your ladies.

At this point, I am surprised that anyone would even call your agency or agencies. Next time I am in Moscow, I certainly won't.

Unfortunately you won't learn from your mistakes, since you seem not to understand that you are making serious mistakes in providing such a lousy service. Of course, it likely not matters to you since ripping off clients is a better and more effective way for you and your ladies to make a lot of easy money.

The word and concept of "good service" has yet to be translated into Russian or Ukrainian, unfortunately. It will certainly be a long time in coming.

Kalif

07-07-06, 07:47

Dear Victoria,

I will not even comment on your post. Just want to say that it is very unfortunate that you have to attack me personally with your baseless lies. However, if this is the way you want to go forward then it is your choice. We will let the people judge for themselves the comments of both of us. I, from my behalf, don't see fit to start this kind of correspondence.

Please also try to understand that this forum is established for people to exchange their experiences, good and bad ones.

Regarding the apartment in Pavlyetskaya. You can find the number from Dosug.nu when you search for escorts next to Metro Pavlyetskaya.

Again complain of fair service. Why you have not written the truth and all dialogue between us? Tell the truth as call to me at the nights from excitation and offer not the real prices 50 $. When the taxi at night in two ends manages 500 roubles. If service would be such bad for you, you would not call to me constantly and did not breathe in phone. If the girl has wanted to leave from you earlier for 30 minutes, it means it is necessary for me to call and complain? Constantly to me call, do not call to me then.

(yourfantasy.ru or sweet-dreams.ru) and she sent over Svetlana. She showed up half an hour late (3:30am), didn't even come close to the photo (showing a young 24 hard body) in fact was a droppy titted, fat butted woman, who spoke limited English. Demanded payment up front ($150 for 2 hrs) CBJ only and the main act was like trying to screw the Holland Tunnel (I couldn't get any traction and I ain't small in the girth department I'm told). After one shot, she got dressed and told me that she was leaving after 80 mins, claiming she showed up at 3:00am. After some debate, I kicked her out as she was demanding more funds to stay longer.

The next day I called Victoria and her comment was "Oh I've had trouble with Svetlana", well what the hell is she sending her out then? Offered to send another, Tamara, for 2-3 hrs for another $100. I'm soured by the whole experience with her agencies now. Not a single one looks like their photos and this one gave the crappiest service.

Buyers BEWARE![/QUOTE]

Ffmbud

07-07-06, 07:50

V,

I did call, it was 04:40 am and YOU were not answering your phone. I tried several times before giving up and kicking her out! When you did answer was at 08:30am. And she wasn't leaving 30 minutes earlier, it was nearly an hour earlier. I don't know what you're babbling about regarding breathing in the phone or offering $50?

There are other agencies like escort-elitegirls.ru / sweet-pussycat.ru / diana-escort.ru / call-girls.ru / katrin-girls.ru / young-girls.ru, ect. that provide ladies that are actually depicted in the photos or a much more reasonable facsimile of the photo, that actually stay the full period agreed upon.

I strongly urge members to avoid your agencies.

Kalif

07-07-06, 07:51

Sorry, folks. Got mixed up. Thought that this reply from Victoria was for me.

Again complain of fair service. Why you have not written the truth and all dialogue between us? Tell the truth as call to me at the nights from excitation and offer not the real prices 50 $. When the taxi at night in two ends manages 500 roubles. If service would be such bad for you, you would not call to me constantly and did not breathe in phone. If the girl has wanted to leave from you earlier for 30 minutes, it means it is necessary for me to call and complain? Constantly to me call, do not call to me then.

(yourfantasy.ru or sweet-dreams.ru) and she sent over Svetlana. She showed up half an hour late (3:30am), didn't even come close to the photo (showing a young 24 hard body) in fact was a droppy titted, fat butted woman, who spoke limited English. Demanded payment up front ($150 for 2 hrs) CBJ only and the main act was like trying to screw the Holland Tunnel (I couldn't get any traction and I ain't small in the girth department I'm told). After one shot, she got dressed and told me that she was leaving after 80 mins, claiming she showed up at 3:00am. After some debate, I kicked her out as she was demanding more funds to stay longer.

The next day I called Victoria and her comment was "Oh I've had trouble with Svetlana", well what the hell is she sending her out then? Offered to send another, Tamara, for 2-3 hrs for another $100. I'm soured by the whole experience with her agencies now. Not a single one looks like their photos and this one gave the crappiest service.

Buyers BEWARE![/QUOTE]

Uke Boy

07-08-06, 03:45

Kalif,

You did not get mixed up.

Victoria replies to all mongers in the same way!

You are always wrong, she is always right.

Next time you want to use her agency's services, don't even bother to come to Moscow, just wire her the money! See it disappear into her bank account and watch yourself in a mirror in your own home getting screwed.

ChimeraAlpha

07-08-06, 10:03

I would like to comment on Victoria as well.

I was in touch with her by email last month. She was very encouraging over the mails. I got in touch with her in the evening of 22nd June 2006, I dont know what her problem was, she was barkin mad on the phone. She told me not to call her again.

Imagine even before we had begun talking about a possible deal (may be lack of Spoken English was the problem)

Regards,

Sylvan

Starchild2012

07-08-06, 14:06

Uke Boy You rock....Im laughing my ass off :)

Quote "Next time you want to use her agency's services, don't even bother to come to Moscow, just wire her the money! See it disappear into her bank account and watch yourself in a mirror in your own home getting screwed"

BUT, you got to give it to vicky for her persistance in cheating and then subsequently denying any role AND what we think is the most informed forum on the internet on mongering, guys again and again and again..getting screwed by bad services as if making the ISG information useless of sorts..

It seems we mongers never learn.....If you go back to the forum posts..you will see mongers complaining left and right on bad services by vicky and her subsequent routine reaction....BUT no one wants to read the valuable info's by seniour mongers who had experienced it already...It seems we all are impatient enough to just spray our juices on the russian soil asap without doing the mandatory "DUE DILIGENCE".

Just Wait and watch ..... give it a month and let these pages go back to history and you will hear exactly sour mongers losing story about vicky's services....

Do not blame anyone for your bad taste......its like killing the very purpose of ISG..for all the info you got on mongering here ....getting caught in the bad net again and again is just the fault of our bad sense of approach.

my 2cents...

Tommasini

07-09-06, 22:22

Less whining. More pictures people! Dammit, it is summer. Show me some of the local skirts!

Nickster53

07-10-06, 01:44

I hate to jump into the middle of a war, but to provide another perspective, I think Victoria is an excellent example of YMMV. I was in Moscow two weeks ago. I contacted Victoria via PM prior to my visit and then called her when I was in town. We went out one evening and it was an excellent experience. I like the more mature women and Victoria was perfect fo my tastes. She offered to get me one of her younger girls if I didn't find her to my liking, but we really had a great time. I think if you treat the women with respect you will get great results in return. I will definately see Victoria again

On another note I also linked up with Raphael at dreammoscownights.com. He was very knowledgeable and we went to Boarhouse and I picked up a nice girl (Alona) for $200 overnight. She was probably a 7 or 8 with a 6 body. She had the worst boob job I have ever encountered. Good experience, but not the best. Raphael promised to take me to some salons that he knew about, but I got tied up at work and was not able to take him up on his offer. I would recommend him for any one that was a little uneasy about tackeling Moscow for the first time.

PM me if you want further details. Be careful out there...

Uke Boy

07-10-06, 02:47

Nick, it was nice of you to defend Victoria.

You may be the only one on this board who has actually fucked her. Congratulations.

Otherwise, she seems to fuck everyone else along with her Soviet attitude and the fact that everyone is wrong and she is right.

Perhaps you don't care to read or understand that everyone else has written about her and her ladies.

Perhaps if Victoria would answer the issues in a reasoned and reasonable way, she would not have these issues come up. Maybe if she knew what real customer service was all about then she would have many more customers.

She is on this board to stoke up business. If overall her business practices truly are abhorrent and horrendous as many maintain and as we can all read, then she should show everyone she is not the Wicked Witch of the East that she comes across as. It is entirely up to her and not to you that she must prove herself to us.

The purpose of this board is the good and the bad of mongering. So far, it is mostly bad from the opinions expressed about Victoria. You are a rare case indeed.

Helena Moscow

07-10-06, 12:58

Dear friends, your discussion on Victoria's service really burns and amuses forum members, who read it. Write more!!!! Bad adverticement is also adverticement. I'm sure, Victoria is grateful to all of you ;))))))))))).

Nickster53

07-10-06, 16:10

Nick, it was nice of you to defend Victoria.

Perhaps you don't care to read or understand that everyone else has written about her and her ladies.

The purpose of this board is the good and the bad of mongering. So far, it is mostly bad from the opinions expressed about Victoria. You are a rare case indeed.

Uke,

Thanks for your comments, my intention was to provide another perspective, not to "defend her or her business practices". The main point of my post was in this hobby YMMV. I have read the other posts on Victoria both before and after I saw her. I do respect others opinions. I have been with other providers that get raving reviews and my experience was just so-so. Again YMMV.

Like you said the purpose of the board is the "good and the bad of mongering" because it is a business dealing with people almost everyone's experience will be different, that is the "challenge" in the sport, it certainly isn't whether you will get laid...

Take care and be careful out there!

ChimeraAlpha

07-15-06, 10:04

some of you guys may recall i was seeking information and help on scene in moscow for a visit there last month. here is my report.

i had contacted on line one of the guides (legitimate) listed – a girl called daria. she turned out to be pleasant surprise in many respect and was really useful person to have around in the english unfriendly areas of moscow.

moscow had many surprises.

the hotel rooms were the first one. on check in i am told that majority of their rooms are non a/c and i had booked for a non a/c room (my mistake as i had not double checked while booking) fortunately the intourist through whom i had booked my room had a desk in the hotel and they conveniently had an a/c room free. pay additional amount required and i had an a/c room finally.

after all the legitimate business of the day i was dropped back to the hotel by the guide. while returning my eyes caught a leaflet of admiral strip club, loccated in the alpha block of the izmailiov complex. excellent eye candy with the usual rub 100/- for the lap dances and rub 1,500.00 for private sessions of 20 minutes. good ambiance and foot ball on big screen made my day so was the cutie marsha. excellent english and she said that they don’t do out of premises visits at all.

came back to the hotel by about 2.00 am feeling gorgy with the lack of sleep in the plane the previous night but still a kind of horny even after a session with marsha at the club.

may be security chap at the tower a of the gamma block sensed my horny ness and as i was getting in to the lift came and whispered the magical words in my ears. suddenly i was all attention. he said if i am interested about 6 girls will come to my room and i can select the ones i like. damages rub 4,000.00 until 6.00 am next day. (he started at rub 5000). i agree and go to my room.

with in 10 minutes there was a discreet knock on my door and the peephole reveals a huge security guard (a different one). my heart skipped a beat. summing up all my courage i open the door. he marches in with 6 girls in tow. ranging from blondes to blacks and of different sizes and descriptions. each between 6-8 on a scale of 10. i made my choice,

the girl turned out to be cute (baby faced ukrainian brunette) and enthusiastic in every respect. we had our own sessions with my balls and stick between watching the world cup, which was her favorite sports as well. good english as well.

she told me that her group was at the call of the security guys (the security guy took the money as soon as i made my choice and seeing my reluctance at that point told me in his broken english that things would be really fine. the next day night at around 11.00 pm as i was coming back from the lobby of delta block – where the money changer was- i saw all the six girls including my cutie lounging about in different sets mingling with legitimate tourist and guests. the cutie came up to me and offered a repeat session (which i had to decline as my local friend was waiting outside to take me on a round of other areas in moscow).

that night was spent strip club hopping and ending up at night flight around 2.30 am. there i was “kidnapped” by a petit blonde, who generously offered her apartment as well in the deal. damage being rub 6,000.00. i woke up at her place at around noon. very satisfied and with the pleasure of having spent the night with a “true” blonde.

that was moscow. though terribly expensive (at around usd 400-500/day) the girls i think lead in the looks department when compared to other p4p areas of the world.

helena was out of town on my visit hence, could not meet her. as previously posted it was really a shitty telephone response from victoria (despite having emailed her well n advance)

guys, while booking make sure you are booking an a./c room. the days i was there moscow temperatures were as high as 38 c and could have been really lousy in a non a/c room.

will i be back – only time will tell.

regards

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.

BillyRayJim

07-20-06, 22:22

I'm thinking of visiting Moscow later this year and checking out tochkas. As I have understood things from the reports here it is best to communicate my requirements to the mamatchka (?) while the girl is listening to avoid any misunderstandings later on.

So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):

"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"

And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.

Breast Is Best

07-21-06, 07:47

For lovers of large natural and truly perfect breasts you could go a lot worse than Vlada. Very slim and petite with a mega outsize rack.

http://www.pikant.ru/anketa.php?id=559

I've met her three times now and it has got better each time. She brought a ropy ginger mate with her a couple of nights ago and we had a 3-way but tbh she was better by herself.

Initially did not want to do BBJ/DFK but was easily encouraged to change her mind. And a great fuck once she gets going.

Interested in hearing other mongers tips around the world for great large naturals. Especially interested in tips for Brazil.

Pat Reno

07-22-06, 12:47

N.

So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):

"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."

"Are you shaved?"

And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.That's a lot of phrases to say if you do not know any Russian yet, and hard to learn from a computer screen. But I can tell you that the girls will always take a shower, ask you take a shower also, so it is quite esy to take one with her.

Pat Reno

07-22-06, 13:00

An article from Moscow based Exile with a supposed "Elite" daughter of a new Russian. She says in it that some of the girls at the MGIMO, MGU University, (Two of their Ivy League equivalents), sometimes work the Tochki for fun and excitement. Link if the board rules allow is http://www.exile.ru/2006-June-29/interview_with_a_dyev-pire.html

Exile isn't the best magazine for accuracy, but the words in the interview remind me so much of the children of the Elite that I have met, so it might just be true.

Pat Reno

07-22-06, 13:05

Less whining. More pictures people! Dammit, it is summer. Show me some of the local skirts!A couple of photos of girls from my last trip.

Synombinky

07-22-06, 19:23

I haven't written much about Victoria because I saw her almost 2 years ago. But when I did, I thought that she was a great provider. Not exactly my type, but the girl she brought along was, and I had quite a wonderful time with that girl for the rest of the evening. So again, for what it's worth, I had a really wonderful time with her service and I would recommend her. But now a question for Victoria and Helen: with a situation where the girl that shows up and isn't what you'd expected or wanted, what's the "best" way to work out that situation then and there? Any comments, Victoria (love you, baby) or Helena (want to love you, baby ;-) )?

Binky

Dear friends, your discussion on Victoria's service really burns and amuses forum members, who read it. Write more!!!! Bad adverticement is also adverticement. I'm sure, Victoria is grateful to all of you ;))))))))))).

Helena Moscow

07-22-06, 22:09

But now a question for Victoria and Helen: with a situation where the girl that shows up and isn't what you'd expected or wanted, what's the "best" way to work out that situation then and there? Any comments, Victoria (love you, baby) or Helena (want to love you, baby ;-) )?

Binky

If you don't like the girl send her out and don't pay. If you kept her, don't complain =)).

Pat Reno

07-23-06, 09:53

So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):
"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"
And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.

I am not sure if anyone has posted this before, but there is a great book called Dermo!: The Real Russian Tolstoy Never Used, that can be gotten on Amazon. It has a section for talking to prostitutes and another section for romantic phrases.

There is one pre-Revolutionary war word Maya Dushinka( My Little Soul) that I am not sure is in this book. When I have used it with a professional she has always become much nicer and smiling. It is an extremely old and elegant word that even Russian men do not use much anymore.

Helena Moscow

07-23-06, 12:19

To Rat Reno:

“There is one pre-Revolutionary war word Maya Dushinka( My Little Soul) that I am not sure is in this book. When I have used it with a professional she has always become much nicer and smiling. It is an extremely old and elegant word that even Russian men do not use much anymore”. – I think you have a very limited knowledge of Russian men =))). Their vocabulary is not poorer than foreigners. We all know this wonderful story by Anthon Chekhov. After this story the word “dushinka” got an additional meaning of “a woman with no personality, who lives the life of her man, not her own”. Some women can be offended by such a compliment. I think foreigners should use Russian words more carefully.

To Victoria:

“If want good sex sometimes remember that near to you not a rubber doll and then you will be completely satisfied”. – Very useful comment. Guys, please, remember, we are not Rubber dolls, and also not desperate “dushechkas” waiting for their prince. Most of Russian escorts are very strong-willed women with brilliant education and decent income. We all have hearts and brains. Not just the bodys.

To Vince:

”Be a gentleman pay her the taxi”. – Vince, you are becoming my hero ;).

Pat Reno

07-23-06, 12:48

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To Rat Reno:
“Their vocabulary is not poorer than foreigners. We all know this wonderful story by Anthon Chekhov. After this story the word “dushinka” got an additional meaning of “a woman with no personality, who lives the life of her man, not her own”. Some women can be offended by such a compliment. I think foreigners should use Russian words more carefully.

Dear Helena, Sorry for the misunderstanding-Please forgive me if I implied that Russian men do not know the word, I said only that it is an old word not used very often anymore. Russian men can give the best compliments in the world. I know the etymology very well and I know that some women do not like it, but in my experience the vast majority of the women appreciated the compliment, and I have used it many times. A well known Russian Professor of Literature that I know likes to tell his class how the meaning has changed over the years from when Nobles would call waitresses Dushinka, and now it has an older more evolved definition. My girlfriend likes this word very much and she is a rather educated and cultured woman.

It is like the word Kralya, which I never use, one of my secretaries who told me about the word says she is complimented when a man calls her that but my other secretary says she would slap the man who called her that. Compliments should be chosen carefully for each women. But I have used the word dushinka a few times with good results.

But for those not interested in etymology, just giving compliments to a Russian girl a safer word perhaps is Lyedushka, which is comparing a woman
to an elegant swan, or Lebed Tsaritsa, Swan Queen.

But if I ever meet you Helena I would be happy to call you Awchen Krasiva e Elegante Lady and not call you Dushinka.

But I never had a bad result from giving a professional a compliment in Russian, it made her smile and open up more. I think it is just the effort that counts.
Prestit Menya Helena

Pat Reno

07-23-06, 12:55

Guys, please, remember, we are not Rubber dolls, and also not desperate “dushechkas” waiting for their prince. Most of Russian escorts are very strong-willed women with brilliant education and decent income. We all have hearts and brains. Not just the bodys.;).

Dear Helena, I couldn't agree more. There are no women in the wolrd that can compare to the women of Kiev-Rus and you are proof of that.

Brotherrabitt

07-23-06, 12:56

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To Rat Reno:
“Their vocabulary is not poorer than foreigners. We all know this wonderful story by Anthon Chekhov. After this story the word “dushinka” got an additional meaning of “a woman with no personality, who lives the life of her man, not her own”. Some women can be offended by such a compliment. I think foreigners should use Russian words more carefully.

Dear Helena, Sorry for the misunderstanding-Please forgive me if I implied that Russian men do not know the word, I said only that it is an old word not used very often anymore. Russian men can give the best compliments in the world. I know the etymology very well and I know that some women do not like it, but in my experience the vast majority of the women appreciated the compliment, and I have used it many times. A well known Russian Professor of Literature that I know likes to tell his class how the meaning has changed over the years from when Nobles would call waitresses Dushinka, and now it has an older more evolved definition. My girlfriend likes this word very much and she is a rather educated and cultured woman.

It is like the word Kralya, which I never use, one of my secretaries who told me about the word says she is complimented when a man calls her that but my other secretary says she would slap the man who called her that. Compliments should be chosen carefully for each women. But I have used the word a few times with good results.

But for those not interested in etymology, just giving compliments to a Russian girl a safer word perhaps is Lyedushka, which is comparing a woman
to an elegant swan, or Lebed Tsaritsa, Swan Queen.

But if I ever meet you Helena I would be happy to call you Awchen Krasiva e Elegante Lady and not call you Dushinka.

But I never had a bad result from giving a professional a compliment in Russian, it made her smile and open up more. I think it is just the effort that counts.
Prestit Menya Helena

Pat,

After reading your post this morning I sent an sms to my polish girlfriend saying "moja dusza", got a big smiley back, works there as well. Thanks, even sounds nice to my untrained ears.

Now what is the english for Kralya ?

V.

Helena Moscow

07-23-06, 18:10

To Rat Reno:

Rat, there is nothing to apologise for, it's just a discussion, not a court or something serious. Of course, Russians appreciate the efforts of foreigners to learn our language. Just sometimes communication can be ruined by using words carelessly. It often happens that men hear some word from friends and think it's normal, and then use it with a girl and the girl is upset. Especially jargon or old-fasioned words. Sometimes even "privet" said in a wrong moment can drive a girl crazy. Sure, escorts smile in any case if it's not extreme. And people are different. For some effort is more important then result. I'm glad that your experience was good.

Remy

07-23-06, 20:00

But may you tell me how we can find a toshka in Moscou?

Is there any adress to know?

Thanks

I'm thinking of visiting Moscow later this year and checking out tochkas. As I have understood things from the reports here it is best to communicate my requirements to the mamatchka (?) while the girl is listening to avoid any misunderstandings later on.

So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):

"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"

And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.

GandJim

07-23-06, 23:19

remy,

Just have a look at Dr Skank's summary:

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445088&postcount=3427

If you want to know more, just do a "search". There are tons of posts about tochkas, including picture courtesy of CA_Traveler in this thread.

GandJim

07-23-06, 23:44

Sometimes even "privet" said in a wrong moment can drive a girl crazy.
Now, Helena, you are worrying me to death! I always say "privet" because I never manage to pronounce "zdravstvujte" correctly :(. In which situation am I in danger if I say "privet" to a girl ;)?

Giving it further thoughts, maybe I should stick with "zdravstvujte" from now on, if you think it's a safe word to say. It always makes the girl rolling on the floor laughing when I try to say it :D.

Jim

Helena Moscow

07-24-06, 01:08

Now, Helena, you are worrying me to death! I always say "privet" because I never manage to pronounce "zdravstvujte" correctly :(. In which situation am I in danger if I say "privet" to a girl ;)?

Jim

For ex. when someone unknown calls me on the phone and says "privet", I get crazy. Because "privet" is to be said between friends, not between strangers. It's like crossing the borders without permission. I get espesially crazy when foreigners use Russian sleng words to discribe sexual actions and parts of the body. Compliments in Russian can leave a dirty feeling if they are made by a man who knows nothing in Russian besides a couple of compliments. It gives you impression that they were learned on purpose and said to every girl, mechanically, no matter how good or bad she is. Sure, if you have good connection with a girl and learn something special to please her, it's another thing. Now many foreing men speak really good Russian, which is pleasant and comfortable.

Pat Reno

07-24-06, 07:34

Pat Reno

07-24-06, 07:52

In my business experience saying Dobre Din, Vycher, Utra is the best option for being easier to pronounce for Americans then Zrastvuitye. Because Privyet is deifnatley informal and intimate. It is the difference of knowing a girl as Svetlana
Pyetrovna, Svetlana, and Sveta.

Pat Reno

07-24-06, 08:05

[QUOTE=Pat Reno]

Pat,

After reading your post this morning I sent an sms to my polish girlfriend saying "moja dusza", got a big smiley back, works there as well. Thanks, even sounds nice to my untrained ears.

Now what is the english for Kralya ?

V.

Hello V, Kralya is slang for beauty, but it is considered very uncultured. I never use it, but some women like it. Just like in English how some women react differently to compliments or words used. Another word I like to use when I meet a really beautiful women I want to give a compliment to is Krocotka, which means literally a really beautiful woman in the dictionary.

Brotherrabitt

07-24-06, 16:54

Thanks Pat (see, no mistake made),

Interesting, can not find an immediate polish equivalent, but will be there next week and ask.

V.

[QUOTE=Vandalnn]

Hello V, Kralya is slang for beauty, but it is considered very uncultured. I never use it, but some women like it. Just like in English how some women react differently to compliments or words used. Another word I like to use when I meet a really beautiful women I want to give a compliment to is Krocotka, which means literally a really beautiful woman in the dictionary.

Helena Moscow

07-24-06, 17:10

Dear Helena, The first time I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you simply mistyped my name. While using an old elegant Russian word can be out of place, or used incorrectly, it is plain insulting to call someone a Rat for no good reason at all.

I'm sorry, Pat. Really sorry. I made mistake ones, and then remembered your name wrongly. And I was even surprised, why you took such a strange nick. I promise never to make this mistake again. Please, forgive me.

Pat Reno

07-24-06, 17:21

I'm sorry, Pat. Really sorry. I made mistake ones, and then remembered your name wrongly. And I was even surprised, why you took such a strange nick. I promise never to make this mistake again. Please, forgive me.

Dear Helena, Eta niechiwa. Just when it happened a third time I was unsure if it was a mistake. Thanks for all the great input you give the board.

Pat Reno

07-24-06, 17:25

Thanks Pat (see, no mistake made),

Interesting, can not find an immediate polish equivalent, but will be there next week and ask.

V.

[QUOTE=Pat Reno]

Hello V., I knew a Polish/Ukrainian escort once that I saw a few times in Toronto, and she told me a joke using the word Kralya, so maybe they will understand it in Poland.

Stravinsky

07-25-06, 17:34

GJ,

If you can't quite get your mouth around "zdravstvooitye", you might try the shorter version, "zdravsti". It's a little more formal than "privyet" and is a form of greeting that is acceptable among strangers meeting for the first time, in an informal situation, like at Night Flight. :)

Or, you might try "privyetsvooyoo", the formal form of "privyet".

Using the time of day as a greeting is always simple and safe;

Dobrie OO-trah (morning)
Dobrie Dyen (afternoon)
Dobre Vyeacher (evening)

Of course, if you ever have a chance to meet with Gospadin Putin at the Kremlin, then you definately want to say "zdravstvooitye".

So, best start practicing now!

Remy

07-26-06, 10:34

I have some questions about Toshka.

How we can find a Toshka in Moscow?

What time is the best to go?

If it is easy to take a girl to hotel in Moscow?

And what's the price?

Thanks

Guy #2

07-27-06, 05:37

I am really trying to duplicate what you guys do overseas with college girls in the US. But I can't wait because time is flying. So I try to leave the States 3 times a year to chase pussy. I am now planning a trip to Moscow. I know this has been covered before but I don't feel like searching.

1. Please recommend apartments and hotels. I think some apartments are run by members on this forum.

2. I am considering St. Petersburg over Moscow but remember rumors that the escorts are unregulated and there are more HIV+ girls running around in St. Petersburg. Your opinions please?

3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?

4. What do you guys think about Sweden as a destination? I know there are not a lot of escorts but I am running into a lot of liberal Europeans lately. Is it possible that you can get some action in Sweden with a girl you meet at a nightclub? The Swedes seem very progressive. It is hard to compare anything to the US or Toronto because the Americans and the Anglo-Canadians are so fucking fat and sexually repressed and old.

Thanks.

Gentleman Travel

07-28-06, 14:52

I am now planning a trip to Moscow. I know this has been covered before but I don't feel like searching.If you don't feel like searching for your own benefit, what makes you think others are going to feel like repeating what they have written before?

Speaking as a freeloader (someone who gets a hell of a lot more out of this site than I have been able to contribute thus far) we have to careful not to abuse the good nature of those who have so much valuable information to share. So, RTFF, as the saying goes, or at least try to pose new and interesting questions, and you may be able to entice one of the experts into answering.

GT

It Travel

07-30-06, 09:29

As written before in this forum I was liking to get a sponsorship to a girl… found on www.omen.ru. I chased several, lots of mails and then I met in February Sveta, a chubby 20 y.o. blondinka. She was exactly what I was looking for: simple girl, seeking for fun and money, and, how shall I say, for once It was enough with skinny ones, I would like a chubby nearly teen (20 years filled just a couple of weeks before our meeting in July!)

I booked a nice room with the name of both. I I got her sponsored for three days, from Friday to Monday.

She arrived with new clothes (juts brought) and we checked in (I was there since a couple of hours and she arriving from work).

After some drink we went to a restaurant (sushi of course) where I could see really this nearly BBW youngster. 173 cm and 75 kg, soft and hard, and really in to sex. No cellulites at all! Just flesh!

We went to the room after some time and there some surprise was starting…

First, in summer she said, she was not wearing pants (!): pussy had to be “ventilated”. And as soon as you started touching her anywhere she become wet, really wet, with huge erected nipples!

In our sex agreements only two things became a NO NO NO. Anal and completely naked or “sexual” pictures.

She started a BBBJ and jus after some seconds wanted to be fucked. It was just 10 pm so a long session started. But the best was the beginning after a long fuck in all positions I was nearly to come. She just took off the condom and started to suck it and was going on even after several shots in her mouth… after a couple of minutes (my cock was really soft and tired) she left it. Obviously she had been swallowing everything.

The real climax was when se was just laying with her head on my chest telling only one word (by the way her English is not bad at all): tasty! I have to say that in the next nights and days she had to drink a lot of shots… and even when I was trying a facial just a second before she grabbed it and started sucking it like a vacuum pump!

I was fucking her in the morning, after lunch, and before and after dinner (some 50 mg Viagra here and there in these days!). All the times the response was incredible, specially when she was riding cowgirl. I think she can get there and ride for hours. By the way she will use part of the money for real horse riding lessons…

She was not asking for presents or whatever, we just got food and some small stuff, and drinks and, of course some city tour (no disco or expensive restaurant). The most on the extra budget was on Viagra and condoms!

The total damage, for her, was 15.000 RUR surely much less than 1000 RUR per shot!

At the end of this long weekend I just thought to call her “Piggy no pants”, both on ground of the body and the attitude and… she was not wearing them.

Of course not a model, or a too mongers compromised girl, but nice, willing, and always ready to be fucked.

On ground se was advertising on www.omen.ru and she is not doing it anymore I will not disclose her telephone or her e-mail… She asked so... But you can see some pictures in the pics section.

It Travel

07-30-06, 10:01

some of you guys may recall i was seeking information and help on scene in moscow for a visit there last month. here is my report.

may be security chap at the tower a of the gamma block sensed my horny ness and as i was getting in to the lift came and whispered the magical words in my ears. suddenly i was all attention. he said if i am interested about 6 girls will come to my room and i can select the ones i like. damages rub 4,000.00 until 6.00 am next day. (he started at rub 5000). i agree and go to my room.

with in 10 minutes there was a discreet knock on my door and the peephole reveals a huge security guard (a different one). my heart skipped a beat. summing up all my courage i open the door. he marches in with 6 girls in tow. ranging from blondes to blacks and of different sizes and descriptions. each between 6-8 on a scale of 10. i made my choice,

the girl turned out to be cute (baby faced ukrainian brunette) and enthusiastic in every respect. we had our own sessions with my balls and stick between watching the world cup, which was her favorite sports as well. good english as well.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.

sorry for beeing so late.

despite i have been going a lot of times to izmailovo i never went to the alpha admiral night club, i do not like the system as i told, just look and be horny….

often the security guys in the delta-gamma lobby are providing girls, specially if the night was so so for them (they get a part of the money). but i think we were in the hotel in the same period… i left on july 12th. the girls i see in the lobby are regulars since years. no turnover, i tried once a double with two of them, a chubby ukrainian and another one for 100 usd one and a half hour (but at 2 am).

generally i think these girls are around 5/6 not more with a couple of exception but 5000 for four hours, when they should “close” and go to bed is normal price.

good luck for next time! i usually provide mine girls from outside the hotel.

it

It Travel

07-30-06, 10:16

Of course after a No No No Anal girl, but with fantastic CIM and Swallowing (always!) ;) I was very horny on Anal so I rented Diana for a long night, from afternoon to late moring for a only Anal session (no fucking!) just nailing her little service entrance. :) :)

Story and amateur details in Anal section… Just some pics here in the pic section. :)
IT

Horny29

07-30-06, 14:29

I hope to find one, or Kazak/Kyrg if anybody knows of any working girls or where I might find one from there.

Guy #2

07-30-06, 15:28

Answer the question or shut the fuck up. This is a site for chasing pussy. If you wanted a fucking country club, go play golf in Atlanta. If they don't want to answer any questions, fuck them. But don't tell a guy about your fucking code of conduct, *****.

If you don't feel like searching for your own benefit, what makes you think others are going to feel like repeating what they have written before?

Speaking as a freeloader (someone who gets a hell of a lot more out of this site than I have been able to contribute thus far) we have to careful not to abuse the good nature of those who have so much valuable information to share. So, RTFF, as the saying goes, or at least try to pose new and interesting questions, and you may be able to entice one of the experts into answering.

GT

Dinghy

07-30-06, 15:41

Gee GUY - rarely would I tell someone RTFF... (as bluntly as that) You have what 227 posts?

And by your own admission you don't want to to search.

#1 is out there - just go search (that one might take what, a minute?, to do the site search)

#2 is an opinion (don't remember seeing anything about it as a comparison, though)

#3 is new info - never heard of the products myself

It might have helped if you had worded it the original "request" a bit differently - but you would find that with hostile responses, the probability of having a "non-nasty" response in turn is significantly diminished

(this is from someone who mostly does southeast Asia and just browses the Russia forum)

It Travel

07-30-06, 16:28

dear guy

1. i’ll just answer the question… use your mouse and click on my internet reports, you’ll find thousands of girls…

2. hotels… sorry but moscow is not montreal… the hotels are more beautiful and more expensive, same for restaurants (i.e. national, metropol, kempinski or, for restaurants, central house of writers, kiteg’ on ul. petrovka, or… the mirror hall in yar?).

3. what hell are oralsure and oralquick? some kind of machines? or som kind of strange sex? p.s. you are going to bed with women, perhaps teens even if they are *****s! and you have to respect them!

4. ahhh.  sweden as a sex vacation destination… (: it is exactly like going to iran for an “alcoholic weekend” as they say in russia. pure shit!

sorry i’m not use to write in this hard words, but, first of all english is not my native tongue; second, it seems from the records that the only correspondences from guy are from montreal with: “do not go there” … “do not do this” … can we have suggestions of some other place ?

by the way i can ensure you that i am not running a flat company in moscow, i am not on the pay bill of izmailovo hotel (but i get discounts), i do not get free sex from valentina or other reported girls. so as dinghy is correctly saying find your reports. it takes not more than one or two minutes!!!

ore you are to lazy to use your mouse and your keyboard? yes this is a site for chasing pussy… you have already been censored (i approve completely) by the admin. please try to post something useful (not just 200 and more of question and critics).

please answer….

it

i suppose that most of the forum readers are approving.

by the way thre are a couples of your text i’ll paste here…

"if you are fucking a $10 ***** in cambodia, you are probably not fucking a hot girl. you are probably scraping the bottom of the barrel. take a look at all the white guys in the us with asian wives. they always look like a chinese crack ***** from an amp. same with black guys and white chicks--the girls always look like white trash.

it is not about quantity. it is about quality. you can fuck 100 ukranian chicks, but if they are all dogs, well that's like me fucking 100 trailer trash bitches from kentucky and saying i fucked an all american.

no that doesn't count. that is why i hate it when people cover up the faces. a body part doesn't count if she needs a bag over her head. and if you are paying her $300 for 3 hours, which is nearly the same rate in the western world, then you are a fucking idiot for traveling halfway around the world to one of the most expensive and ripoff city in the world to fuck something at the same costs as what is available in your backyard."

and most of all:

"1. i believe you but here is what i do not understand. why are these young freebies putting out if you speakl fluent russian? it can't be because they expect to meet a westerner and get a green card. it can't be because they think a russian man who makes 40 a month has a lot of month. it can't be because they think everyone is an oligarch. is it because of your looks? personality? confidence?"

if you really belive tat russian men are making 40 usd a month, it’s better that first you go to russia (you have never been there, second that you learn reading and accounting… you know money counting!)

It Travel

07-30-06, 16:44

Sorry Guy, Dinghy I ask for your comprehension…

There is not only a green card in the world (there is also a Shenghen Visa, by the way). If you are a Russian businessman abroad this means a lot, probably (90%) that you are earning at least five times what your Westerner (I take EU and US) counterpart is doing… by the way the RGD (РЖД, if you are Russian. The Russian State Railways) managers have Audi A8 or Porsche Cayenne service cars (!), and netto earnings around 50.000 USD (I mean a month, not a year! Just look at the villas!). Other companies like Gazprom are even more generous!

I would like to understand why you are so angry against all… I’ve just posted links with telephone and pics… go there… As all the others did... I mean posting links and evaluations.

I had a hard discussion with Americans on the different way of life interpreting of we Europeans, but I never sent somebody to fuck off! It was a hard and coorect discussion and then I left.

I JUST THINK THAT WE DO NOT NEED YOUR REPORTS HERE.

If you want to read it’s free…

IT

Aht169

07-30-06, 18:10

Pat Reno

07-30-06, 18:39

I hope to find one, or Kazak/Kyrg if anybody knows of any working girls or where I might find one from there. Uzbek girls in Moscow.....

Horny 29- In Kazan and in Perm I saw at least one Uzbek girl in every other line up. But I once had a night with a Blonde Uzbek from the Leningradskaya Hotel near the train station. But you can always tell them that you want an Uzbek girl, I'm sure there are plenty working in Moscow, but maybe I'm wrong. Pat

Pat Reno

07-30-06, 18:53

Hi All:
Well I am finally going to moscow this fall. I am really looking forward to taking advantage, more ways than one.

I have been reading up and it seems that if a poor smuck like me doesn't speak any Russian, the mongering seems limited to NF, CF or other such venues. tochkas seem to be a stretch at best. Any thoughts or suggestions for a non Russian speaker.

Also, one additional question, I am considering hiring a driver. Any suggestions on who can be trusted?

Thanks!
AHT169

AHT 169- I really don't think you should worry about going to a Tochka without good Russian skills, especially if you have a driver. Just have a Russian phrase book and repeat the phrase I want to go to_____, and add the word Tochka. Once there all you have to do is point and the Mommachka will tell you how much. She will try asking you how much you want to pay first to separate the girls, but if you don't understand you can just shrug your shoulders and she will know how to handle the situation. She will probably use her cell phone to indicate the amount for the girl you want. Think of it as a fun adventure. Of course it is better if you speak some basic Russian, but I think you can still have fun, especially if you have a driver to help you, just give him a tip in his hand when you ask him to find you a Tochka so he will take better care of you, walk you through the process. For drivers, I use www.gotoru.com, They are not the cheapest option, but the drivers always are reliable in my opinion. Hope this encourages you to give the Tochki a try. Pat

Pat Reno

07-30-06, 19:08

3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?
Thanks.

For those who asked, these are oral HIV antibody tests sold over the counter. I do not think they are available in Moscow yet, never saw them, but if there was a place that would it would be the drug store (Apteka) on Tverskaya Street near the Kremlin and the MCDonalds, I found it to be one of the most modern Apteki in Central Moscow. Some staff speak limited English. Pat

Doctor_Skank

08-01-06, 09:31

Guy2:

Just some comments on your recent enquiry. Personally, even if I find some of your posts to be off target or over the top, I also agree with a lot of what you write. For example, I question the wisdom of some average-earning Joes spending $$$$ to fly to expensive EE cities only to discover that even mid-level sex is expensive there so they end up having to go cheap and end up only banging low-end EE chicks.. they really could do just as well or better elsewhere for a lot less. As always, research pays dividends.

But anyway, to your enquiry:

"1. Please recommend apartments and hotels. I think some apartments are run by members on this forum."

A hotel I recommend in terms of "flash factor" is the SwissOtel Krasnye Holmy. Nicest hotel in Moscow right now... but at a price. Expect to pay about $400+/night. Only bad thing is the location, although technically central, it is on an island and you are not able to walk anywhere comfortably from there and will have to use taxi.

A very nice centrally-located hotel is the equally flashy Hotel Hyatt Ararat, also at least $400/night but within walking distance of many clubs etc.

Two interesting locally-operated hotels are Hotel Budapest (great location in the very center of tourist activities) and Hotel Tiflis (also central, but in a less-touristy part of town).

Both are fairly modern and a bit cheaper than the major Western hotels and average $250+/night for rooms. Space is limited, so book well in advance if you go with either of these girl-friendly options.

www.hotel-budapest.ru
www.hoteltiflis.com

None of the current apartment agencies are being run by forum members, however some are "western-run". ISG legend Ca_Traveller DID set up www.moscow-star.com, an agency which works quite well and is now being run by a different American and long-time Moscow resident, Rick. Ca_T however is now in Odessa living it up and running his new agency www.odessaexecutivesuites.com. Expect to pay about $150+ for an apartment in Moscow.

"2. I am considering St. Petersburg over Moscow but remember rumors that the escorts are unregulated and there are more HIV+ girls running around in St. Petersburg. Your opinions please?"

I doubt that there is any higher prevalence of HIV among Pitr-based pros. Most HIV cases are among drug users and pros working the highways etc. Chances are, you'll never be exposed to this "bottom-feeding" level of prostitution if you go to the regular pickup bars and agencies. In any case, condom use is nearly 100% among pros in the mid to upper-tier circles.

"3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?"

I have yet to see these products in Russia but would certainly welcome their arrival.

"4. What do you guys think about Sweden as a destination? I know there are not a lot of escorts but I am running into a lot of liberal Europeans lately. Is it possible that you can get some action in Sweden with a girl you meet at a nightclub? The Swedes seem very progressive. It is hard to compare anything to the US or Toronto because the Americans and the Anglo-Canadians are so fucking fat and sexually repressed and old."

Swedes are quite open sexually. I am not a Sweden expert at all, however based on what I have read and been told first hand by Sweden regulars is that it is quite easy to score freebies in Sweden if you have decent "game". The pro scene sucks, with the femnazi movement in full swing in otherwise sexually liberal Sverige. A big advantage is that everybody speaks English... which is not the case in EE.

Helena Moscow

08-01-06, 14:42

For those who asked, these are oral HIV antibody tests sold over the counter. I do not think they are available in Moscow yet, never saw them, but if there was a place that would it would be the drug store (Apteka) on Tverskaya Street near the Kremlin and the MCDonalds, I found it to be one of the most modern Apteki in Central Moscow. Some staff speak limited English. Pat

Pat, do you mean they invented some progressive way to test for HIV? I never heard about this, think in Moscow these tests are really not available (otherwise, I guess, my doc would give them to me instead of making holes in the arm each time I need my tests done). How much these oral tests can cost? Is it possible to bring then over? Which country did you see them? Thanks a lot for your answer, friend ;).

Helena Moscow

08-01-06, 14:59

Guy2:

A hotel I recommend in terms of "flash factor" is the SwissOtel Krasnye Holmy. Nicest hotel in Moscow right now... but at a price. Expect to pay about $400+/night. Only bad thing is the location, although technically central, it is on an island and you are not able to walk anywhere comfortably from there and will have to use taxi.

A very nice centrally-located hotel is the equally flashy Hotel Hyatt Ararat, also at least $400/night but within walking distance of many clubs etc.

Two interesting locally-operated hotels are Hotel Budapest (great location in the very center of tourist activities) and Hotel Tiflis (also central, but in a less-touristy part of town).

Both are fairly modern and a bit cheaper than the major Western hotels and average $250+/night for rooms. Space is limited, so book well in advance if you go with either of these girl-friendly options.

www.hotel-budapest.ru
www.hoteltiflis.com

.

"Swiss" is generally OK, but they have glass doors in the bathroom, which is unpleasant, plus location is not so good. In Hyatt you'll have to meet girls downstairs and see them out right to the car, because securitys are monsters, can catsh even in the street and lock girl in the police for several hours just to squeeze some money. Plus ugly high-teck desighn (though men like it ;). For the same money better stay in National - a classy, quiet place, or Savoy, or any Marriott except Courtyard (uncomfortable location). Among small nice hotels (like Tifliss) we also have "Alrosa" and "Sretenka" - very quiet, in the center. Not bad are Renessance near Prospect Mira, Sheraton in Tverskaya and Novotel in Novoslobodskaya. And we have now many Holiday Inns - newbuilt, in different areas.

Aht169

08-02-06, 04:03

AHT 169- I really don't think you should worry about going to a Tochka without good Russian skills, especially if you have a driver. Just have a Russian phrase book and repeat the phrase I want to go to_____, and add the word Tochka. Once there all you have to do is point and the Mommachka will tell you how much. She will try asking you how much you want to pay first to separate the girls, but if you don't understand you can just shrug your shoulders and she will know how to handle the situation. She will probably use her cell phone to indicate the amount for the girl you want. Think of it as a fun adventure. Of course it is better if you speak some basic Russian, but I think you can still have fun, especially if you have a driver to help you, just give him a tip in his hand when you ask him to find you a Tochka so he will take better care of you, walk you through the process. For drivers, I use www.gotoru.com, They are not the cheapest option, but the drivers always are reliable in my opinion. Hope this encourages you to give the Tochki a try. Pat

Hey Pat...thanks for the tips and insight. Looked into the recommended driver service and looks like a definite possibility. I really appreciate the thoughts.
AHT169

Pat Reno

08-02-06, 10:57

Pat, do you mean they invented some progressive way to test for HIV? I never heard about this, think in Moscow these tests are really not available (otherwise, I guess, my doc would give them to me instead of making holes in the arm each time I need my tests done). How much these oral tests can cost? Is it possible to bring then over? Which country did you see them? Thanks a lot for your answer, friend ;).

Hello Helena,

They are available in America at many testing centers but not over the counter yet. The brand Orasure is the main one. When I was in Barbados I saw them being sold over the counter for 30 USD and they can be transported on a plane no problem it gives you the results in only a few minutes if there are any antibodies in the saliva and are considered 99% accurate. I know they were trying to get it sold over the counter in Europe but I am not sure if they have gotten EU approval for it. I E-mailed my friend who is a doctor in Moscow if his hospital's Apteka had any or could order any and will forward his answer to you. Pat

Helena Moscow

08-02-06, 20:40

I E-mailed my friend who is a doctor in Moscow if his hospital's Apteka had any or could order any and will forward his answer to you. Pat

Thank you again, Pat. Sure this information is very useful for all forum members ;)

Doctor_Skank

08-04-06, 10:22

How in the name of Yuri Dolgoruki did I end up back in CF?

I dont know, was it force of habit? Laziness? Pheremones? Gravitational pull? A FSB homing implant? A lack of other options? The nachos? A promise of free narcotic sleeping aids in your beer?

Could I smell the pussy lingering inside? Did I want to smell that pussy lingering inside?

Actually I blame the whole thing on the world cup and fellow ISG-commando Richard Cabro.

As you can tell, this report is dated... my CF visit was on July 5th, the day of the Portugal-France match in the world cup. RC and I had agreed to watch the football match together, which SHOULD have been England-France, and we had debated over where to watch it. An England fan, RC was a bit disappointed that his squad was out. As an American, I was a bit disappointed that our squad played like shit.

There are a few places showing sport on TV in Moscow, including Metallitsa, Sportland and the recently opened Bleachers. Bleachers was our original goal, as it is supposedly the best sports bar in Moscow and is the new operation of Doug.

Doug is one of the original owner/founders of several iconic Moscow establishments, including CF (now called Doug and Marty's Boarhouse) and the Hard Rock Cafe. There are a few other places he is involved in as well. Word has it that he is no longer involved in Boarhouse/CF, which will likely change the layout of our Moscow options somewhat. Time will tell if this is for better or worse.

RC and I were both running late to our meeting. He was somewhere out in Moscow-suburb Himki (IKEA-land) wooing a girl, which is way better than I have ever done in my periodic late-night excursions to Himki. My only memories of Himki involve roving packs of hungry wild flea-ridden dogs, roving packs of bored Klinskoe-drinking fascist youth and roving Lada patrol cars of cash-needy hungry, Klinskoe-drinking Moscow miliz.

I myself was busy fucking a girl, but have since forgotten which one it was. Likely candidates are Nastya, Vika or Dasha, but I really dont remember anymore. I'll have to contact CSI or check the dates on my video camera to piece that mystery together. God, I'll bet I left my DNA everywhere. Fuck.

Anyway, as the witching hour steadily approached, we both agreed to meet at CF, Doug and Marty's Boarhouse, the Boarhouse or whatever they are calling it these days. I like calling it "the Black Hole", a term coined by missing in action ISG supercommando Shostakovich, a freebie-pulling maniac that we can all learn from... if he would be so kind to rub off some of his pixie-magic on us.

In a display of astounding Prussian punctuality for someone as un-Prussian as I am, I arrived at CF at exactly 12 midnight.

RC hadnt arrived yet, but had confirmed per SMS that he was inbound, eta 30 minutes. With the football match on the big screen and the crowd equally divided between people rooting for the French and some heathens rooting for Portugal, I browsed the ho-collection areas around the bar, at the rear of the main room and along the outside of the dining area. Without waiting long, I approached a leggy attractive brunette sitting alone. We chatted a bit and as we conversed and she began to rub my leg and get cosy, I scanned the room for other candidates. It was way too early to decide on any one girl.

The quick scan revealed that there were quite a few new faces, mixed in with some "classic" models that have been around since the days when a dollar fetched 35 rubles and Tovarish Putin was still living in St.Pete. Nonetheless, my overall impression was surprisingly positive... and this even BEFORE I had any drink at all. Later on of course, after more than several drinks, it was a Xanadu-like pleasure house of superbabes quivering at my feet in sexual anticipation and begging for my attention. :)

Soon RC shows up and is already well-fueled with drink, forcing me to catch up. Him showing up was like a delightul car crash, reminding me of the scene in Boogie Nights when Dirk Diggler first meets Todd Parker and his life changes from a relatively sane and sedated one to a fantastic wild and out of control runaway train. Several beers later I have caught up to RC and am more Todd Parker than Dirk Diggler, and as we work the corner area of the bar near the door, I am impressed by RC's methods. His aggressive, yet playful approach is working perfectly and soon there is a pack of 4 or 5 girls around us both enjoying the playful banter and competing for our attention and pocket book. I adopt his methodology and achieve more than satisfactory results... at least a lot of contacts.

Soon another American shows up out of nowhere, a dentist from somewhere on his first trip to Russia. He's got the biggest, whitest smile I have seen outside of People magazine and somewhat of a caractiture of Mr.Nice Guy, but he can't be that nice if he ended up in the Black Hole. He's a friendly fun guy and we adopt him, more or less setting him up with one of our "harem".

This provided us with some interesting insight into new price structures at CF/BH, not to mention some relief in fending off the ever increasing numbers of dyevki surrounding us.

Some notes of interest to the ISG reader:

* there appears to be new Russian management at CF. According to our info, Doug is leaving or has left to pursue his other endeavors.

* there was a noticeable quality increase in terms of relative sexiness of the girls. Whether or not this was just chance or will be a more long-lasting improvement has yet to be seen. (any feedback from other ISG posters is appreciated) This may be due to the new management, or may just be our subjective view of the menu on that particular night. (RC commented the same)

* price level seems to hover around $200-250/night, later in the evening $150+. I got quotes as high as $300 at the beginning, and even at 2am $200 seemed to be a virtually fixed price. Again, more commentary appreciated from fellow posters.

* a high percentage of the girls are actually from Moscow, which may partially explain the higher prices. The girls from the regions are less in number, which is a shame since they were often cheaper and generally good providers. Where they have gone to I do not yet know...

* the "security fee" ranges from 500 to 1000 rubles ($18-35). This seems virtually unavoidable and is a supreme annoyance, since it is a worthless scam and I can't stand those bloated security goons. In the past I avoided it by meeting the girl outside, maybe this still works.

Meanwhile, RC and I are having a great time trading war stories, the most fun I have had at CF in a long time. Proves what difference a great wingman/drinking buddy can make in the overall enjoyment of a night out. The girls have been infected by our positive vibe and are laughing and drinking... on our tab of course... but their vodka-Os and beers are priced relatively harmlessly. A couple of other girls try to join the fun and ask for drinks but are unceremoniously rejected by us and do not belong to the "inner circle" of party revelers gathered around the juxtaposition of the two bars on the corner.

Its getting late (or early depending on your perspective) and time to make our exit. I've long since decided to take a girl with me and although there are several worthy candidates, my decision is essentially made for me as one of the girls in our "troupe" has been all over me for about 2 hours. She can't seem to let go of me and at some point we even do some kissing, which is quite rare for me within the club. I usually dont like to publically kiss the pros in the club and most girls avoid this as well.

She is about 1,57cm tall (5'2") and otherwise petite, but with gorgeous little perky titties and a tight, firm ass... which I have been fondling for some time. I really like her face as well, cute brunette hair with perfectly frames her clean angelic face, blue eyes and luscious Angelina-Jolie-like lips.

Although clearly our new found love is primarily business-related, there is a definite spark between us and somehow it feels very very real, which is just about as perfect as a relationship to a pro can be on a first time encounter.

Price.

RC and the Dentist also seem ready to go, and the Dentist settles on $200 + 1000 ruble security fee for a total check of $230. A bit high, but I really dont think he was going to escape for less. I am not sure what RC paid or with whom he left even, as several candidates were hovering around him when I last saw him... in his state he may have even elected to take all of them... or may in fact still be in CF at this very moment pondering his decision.

I settled on a mixture of rubles, dollars and Euros which came to about $200 total including security fee, taxi (she paid) and an overnight stay as long as I wanted, plus a free sex option anytime I was in Moscow if I took her out to dinner. (I have yet to redeem this "free sex for dinner" coupon... hope it hasnt expired...) I check her Moscow registration before leaving just to be sure, she is OK, as am I. No miliz worries.

I bid adieu to RC and the Dentist and zoom home with Mini Angelina to my Tverskaya apt.

My choice was right on target, Mini Angelina is a firecracker in the sack and we go at it like passionate lovers should. She liked a thorough pounding and all the kissing and rough passion, before I switched gears and we settled into a more sensual slow love-making type rhythym. She liked being on top until she got tired and let me govern the show. From behind seemed to be the position we liked best, but we tried almost all of them, at least all I could think of at the time. After round 1, we paused and I remembered that I had been carrying around some lingerie I bought for a ultra-sexy girl in St.Pete but wasnt able to give it to her, as she had found a rich Russian boyfriend and suddenly I was more than superfluous. I had been looking for a suitable candidate to give it to for some time and was now thinking that mini Angelina might just be the one.

It wasnt such an easy task, since it was a size XS teddy and I needed a thin girl with enough tittage to fill out the top properly. Mini Angelina seemed perfect and indeed she was, filling out the teddy top and string undies very nicely. She was of course elated to receive the new Victoria's Secret sex gear, and if tweaking her performance up a notch was even possible, she did upon receipt of my present.

I kept her around until the early afternoon, during which we alternated between fucking, chatting and general lounging. At some point I remembered I had some business to take care of, so I had to send her home. I honestly had the feeling she would have stayed through the entire afternoon... She said she'd take the metro and didnt need taxi money, so we departed with a promise to meet again... which I hope we someday do.... I'd like to redeem my coupon.

Moral of the story?

Drink a lot and throw your money out the window = big fun!

Big Bro AJ

08-04-06, 14:03

WTF is going on Moscow, no hard liquor. I could only manage to find Jack at City Space/Swiss Hotel and Fabriq. Sorry for the late report, I cracked my left feet. Anyway,

I arrived beloved Moscow on Thursday morning (20 July), taxis are becoming more organized in each time. In my previous visits I could manage to find freelancers but in last three times I was surrounded by the the dispatchers. Anyway, I paid $50 for a Renault Clio from Sher II to Metro Kolomemenskaya (50 mins drive).

After a quick breakfast at my blood brother’s apartment, my girl friend(she is Moldivian) and I started to explore the city. If you want to experience Russian cuisine in reasonable prices, I highly recommend MU MU. There is one at Arbat close to Hard Rock Cofee. MU MU is definitely the cheapest Russian restaurant, on the contrary the quality is higher than many other $$ restaurants.

The flea market close to Izmaloshka Park is the best place to buy souvenirs. For the same products you only pay half price or ¼ of the Arbat prices.

It was summer time and there was a strange hard liquor problem all over the city. We could only manage to find jack at 34th floor of the Swiss Hotel. Awesome view, but they should definitely need a professional perspective on waitress outfits. It was a strange combination of nun dress and brides’ maids dress. Above all the view worth it.

Karma and Buddha simply sucked for a Friday night. Low profile crowd and liquor problems. We move from one spot to another at the end, we smoked kalyan/hokka at sunrise café at Novy Arbat.

When we went to MisterXXX(it was my favorite place), we found out that the magement had changed. The Gentleman’s club turned into a truckers strip club. Most of the waitresses were gone, only couple of dancers still remained but the quality of the customers was lower. They tried to sell Jameson instead of Jack. L We spent only two hours and had 4 lap dances. They asked 1500Rb cover for ladies, 750 for men.

Saturday night, first we met our friends at CF. CF is dead. Only bear and champagne, waitresses were getting ruder. The place was empty for a Saturday night. There were too many African expats and the quality of the crowd was lower than the usual.

Fabriq is the right place if you want top-notch dance club. There was a strict face control. But as long as you speak English and you don’t look too sloppy, you can easily get trough the face control. We only waited 5 mins, they didn’t let some 10/10-model type girls in, they said that the girls ratio was high enough. Cover cost you 300 Rub, this is the second place where you can find Jack and all other hard liquors in Moscow. Being with a Russian-speaking girlfriend opens many unexpected doors. Approaching other girls was smoother and easier, especially if you have a bisexual girl friend. If we didn’t stay at my blood brother’s apartment, we definitely left the place with two sisters.

In our last night, we went to B2. It was OK for Sunday night. The quality was lower than Fabriq, but we had fun.

I was with my bisexual girl friend. I didn’t look around for an action. But it is amazing how unexpected doors could easily open in unexpected places. I highly recommend Russian speaking bisexual girl friends. They are looking girls more than you do.

Doctor_Skank

08-04-06, 14:54

Big Bro:

Sounds like you had fun in Moscow, especially at Fabrique. I have always liked that place, even though you can sometimes "get lost" in it... :) Its the favorite of many Moscow-based expats, so traditionally a Western-friendly club and considered semi-elite... meaning face control but certainly not that strict. Often a lot more fun than more pretentious places. Your bi-sexual girlfriend seems like your ticket to nirvana! Lucky guy!

Taxis: Definitely more and more legit taxis on the streets. Lately I have found that they are often even cheaper than "street taxis", especially if you order them ahead of time. That market is definitely changing.

MisterXXX: Thanks for the heads up, too bad about that.

Swiss Hotel: Nice view, but they close WAY too early. Took a girl there once and they were closing at 2am on a Moscow Saturday night.... wonder if that policy changed recently?

CF: I had a good time there on a Wednesday night, but on the following Friday (just checked in there to show a Moscow newbie the place before leaving for Voodoo Lounge) it was not as good as Wednesday and left after 15 minutes... so I guess as always, YMMV.

Starchild2012

08-04-06, 16:14

Doctor_Skank,

I think its going into our DNA, I too invariably end in the same place..where i had taken a vow to never return....I don't know its the gravitational pull or some sort of black magic....:D

Guy #2

08-04-06, 23:29

Thanks. I am not sure what you meant by the metaphor "game" but thank you. I am trying to keep my options open. I am getting a better reception from college girls in the States than girls in their mid or late 20s which tells me that it is not just about looks but also about information and knowledge. Unfortunately, I work a lot of hours and don't have the time to hit on college girls every day. That is why I have decided to leave the US for a few days a few times a year. I am also looking at other options like a global business that would allow me to travel, which would at least cover my expenses. I think the thing that I am learning--which may be counterintuitive--is that when you are not working, you should be hitting the streets hitting on every woman you like. Well, I have been trying for almost a year in the US with not a lot to show. But that is becaue I work my ass off most of the time. I do agree that you cannot get laid with so many beauties in such a qucik turnaround time in an an Angla country as fast as you can in Russia. We'll see what happens. If I go to Russia in a couple of months, I will let you know. Maybe we can all meet for drinks. The only thing that would stop me from going to Russai if it turns out that I can do the same thing in the US with college age girls. On a different note, I have been avoiding Russian and Eastern Europeans in general in the US and in Canada. I just have a bad feeling like it is all about money. I know you will find it hard to believe but sometimes, if you are lucky, I think it is easier to find a Northern European or Canadian or American girl who will go out with you if you just take the time to listen to her. (I am talking about someone 18-22 or up to 26 but in great shape. It is not pretty having sex with a woman older than 26). Sometime that is easier than dealing with a woman motivated by money. I am hoping that when I go to Russia, I can find women who are not just motivated by money. No, not looking for a wife. Just that the experience of being around a blood sucker is not all that fun. In Canada, I asked for a Canadian girl and they sent me a Russian. I would not open the door. The woman pounded on the door, and then her driver called the police and said I was beating her up just to get back at me for not opening the door. My experience with Russians and Eastern Europeans in the US and Canada have been very bad. That is why I am reluctant to go to Russia. But given the state of affairs of the world in finding white women who will put out, I am afraid I have no choice. Hopefully, in the next few days, I will have some success in the US that could put off my trip. I am finally making some progress. Walking home on Sunday from a college bar, a group of college girls came up and one said it was her 21st birthday. I said that I had been looking for 4 hours for a beautiful girl like her. The issue of age never came up in the conversation. Okay, enough of my rambling.

Guy2:

Just some comments on your recent enquiry. Personally, even if I find some of your posts to be off target or over the top, I also agree with a lot of what you write. For example, I question the wisdom of some average-earning Joes spending $$$$ to fly to expensive EE cities only to discover that even mid-level sex is expensive there so they end up having to go cheap and end up only banging low-end EE chicks.. they really could do just as well or better elsewhere for a lot less. As always, research pays dividends.

But anyway, to your enquiry:

"1. Please recommend apartments and hotels. I think some apartments are run by members on this forum."

A hotel I recommend in terms of "flash factor" is the SwissOtel Krasnye Holmy. Nicest hotel in Moscow right now... but at a price. Expect to pay about $400+/night. Only bad thing is the location, although technically central, it is on an island and you are not able to walk anywhere comfortably from there and will have to use taxi.

A very nice centrally-located hotel is the equally flashy Hotel Hyatt Ararat, also at least $400/night but within walking distance of many clubs etc.

Two interesting locally-operated hotels are Hotel Budapest (great location in the very center of tourist activities) and Hotel Tiflis (also central, but in a less-touristy part of town).

Both are fairly modern and a bit cheaper than the major Western hotels and average $250+/night for rooms. Space is limited, so book well in advance if you go with either of these girl-friendly options.

www.hotel-budapest.ru
www.hoteltiflis.com

None of the current apartment agencies are being run by forum members, however some are "western-run". ISG legend Ca_Traveller DID set up www.moscow-star.com, an agency which works quite well and is now being run by a different American and long-time Moscow resident, Rick. Ca_T however is now in Odessa living it up and running his new agency www.odessaexecutivesuites.com. Expect to pay about $150+ for an apartment in Moscow.

"2. I am considering St. Petersburg over Moscow but remember rumors that the escorts are unregulated and there are more HIV+ girls running around in St. Petersburg. Your opinions please?"

I doubt that there is any higher prevalence of HIV among Pitr-based pros. Most HIV cases are among drug users and pros working the highways etc. Chances are, you'll never be exposed to this "bottom-feeding" level of prostitution if you go to the regular pickup bars and agencies. In any case, condom use is nearly 100% among pros in the mid to upper-tier circles.

"3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?"

I have yet to see these products in Russia but would certainly welcome their arrival.

"4. What do you guys think about Sweden as a destination? I know there are not a lot of escorts but I am running into a lot of liberal Europeans lately. Is it possible that you can get some action in Sweden with a girl you meet at a nightclub? The Swedes seem very progressive. It is hard to compare anything to the US or Toronto because the Americans and the Anglo-Canadians are so fucking fat and sexually repressed and old."

Swedes are quite open sexually. I am not a Sweden expert at all, however based on what I have read and been told first hand by Sweden regulars is that it is quite easy to score freebies in Sweden if you have decent "game". The pro scene sucks, with the femnazi movement in full swing in otherwise sexually liberal Sverige. A big advantage is that everybody speaks English... which is not the case in EE.

Cruiser D

08-05-06, 17:19

Guy, even though you sound somewhat personality challenged I am going to give you some advice. I am sure since you addressed this to Dr. S he is going to do a much better job in replying then I. But I am bored.

Going to EE to find the girl of your dreams who 'loves you for you' as a tourist is never going to happen, ever. The only girls who are going to be interested in you are those looking for outright cash (or perhaps gifts) or those who think you can take care of them in good lifestyle (house, car, out of the country then dump your ass).

On the other hand, if you want to learn Russian, spend six or so months out of the year there then you will be able to tap into the hot 'normal' girl market.

As far as the 25+ year olds vs. college girls in the US/Canada it's been my experience - having grown up in Boston, the prototypical college town that college girls are generally extremely friendly and willing to talk to anything that moves. Talking to a college girl really doesn't mean all that much unless you get her phone number and go out on a date with her. As for the jaded 25+ year olds, they are at the point in their life where they have already been fucked over once or twice by a 'bad boy' type. But are still young enough to be looking for a Brad Pitt type (note to all - Brad is 40+ is it still okay to use him as the uber example?).

As far as your unwillingness to fuck anything over 26 in the west, although it maybe be merited to paint all the girls in EE with that brush (most of the girls do age hard in EE - sorry EE girls). I find it odd to draw that same assessment of girls in the US/Canada in particular - assuming of course they aren't using the terms 'full figured', 'curvy', 'not thin' or any other online term used in personal ads that equals fat.

BTW - Nothing says 'desperate (I'm omitting the second word for reasons of civility)' more then hitting on everything that moves.

Guy #2

08-06-06, 19:23

Thanks for your advice, which I will keep in mind. I am working on the college girls. I have had a lot of other opportunities with 20 something girls hitting on me or coming up to me drunk or hitting on me at work, all of which I have passed up. I know that sounds odd. My thinking is time is short and if I waste to much time fucking everything, I am not spending my time going after what I really want. I had a 27 or 28 year old German Canadian in Toronto get naked on me, and it wasn't pretty. Plus for some reason, some women older than 24 have a body odor. This week I will try to get the phone numbers and go out with the college girls and anything hot over 18 that I see on the street. I am recovering from food poisoning so have been out of commission for the last few days. Factoring in the cost of hotel in Russia, and the hassle of getting a visa, it may be smarter to fly into Prague where escorts are now running at $80 an hour. Regardless of my success with the college girls in the US, I'll probably make the trip to Moscow or St. Petersburg in a couple of months. I'll just have to find a way to eat the hotel costs. No I am not looking for my dream girl. But I see women who put out for free for one guy and then make another guy pay. I don't think it is all about looks. I think it is how you handle the woman. I don't want to be the chump subsidizing some girl so she gives it away free for someone else. It's not about love. It's about not being made a fool of. That is why I don't see the logic in going out with anyone over 24. Most of the girls are not virgins by 18-22. So it should make no difference whether a 22 year old fucks somene her age or someone older because she is no Virgin Mary. And I don't want the 26 year old who feels pressured to get married or who has been fucked over--I am not the clean up man. That is why I don't view this site as a site for chasing escorts. People here don't talk about dollars and buying chicks. It is more about where in the world you can find a culture of beautiful slim women and how you can manage these girls. The word freebie and non pro comes up more often. This site is about fighting back and leveling the playing field. I think this week will be a significant turning point because I will hit on anything over 18 that is beautiful. It has taken me a year just to even get into the college bars. Most of my friends my age are embarrassed to even walk into a place with people under 30. We'll see what happens. I did get the number for the college girl that came up to me. But I also am interested in how she treats me: does she expect me to do more work than some bum her age? Or does she expect me to do more work? If she expects me to do more work, then fuck her and I will move to another girl. It's all about fighting back--morally, legally, ethically. Two consenting adults over 18--I didn't tell her to take off her pants. We also never discussed a business model that pays for chasing women--adult business. If you are going to spend x amount of dollars trying to get laid, you may consider starting an adult business--an online adult site, etc.--that will pay for your hobby. If these girls are only interested in money, and you are only interested in sex, you should create a business model that pays for your expenses. Or like some members here, start a business overseas--like buying a bar or an apartment--that allows you to live abroad. I don't care what happens in terms of how successful I am with women. Whatever happens happens. I just don't want to mismanage my money and have a year where I am spending more than taking in. Travelling to Russia or Canada for pussy is about the same or less than what it would cost me to maintain several girlfirends in the US. The only difference is that the time spent with the pussy is concentrated into a certain amount of days instead of spread out over the entire year.

PS For some reason--and I have studied women in bars over the past year--26 seems to be a defining cutoff. Once a woman hits 26, it seems like it is normal for her to go out with a much older guy. If that is the case, I don't see a difference between 21 and 26 or 22 and 26 which is a matter of a few years. I see it as an arbitrary and cultural difference. Also, most people I talk to don't really try. I think I am the only guy I know who stops people on the street. Maybe there are others but not in my circle. So I think this arbitrary cut off prevents people from trying. But what happens when someone pushes the envelope and does try? Well, I guess we'll see what happens this week. In the meantime, I will plan my trip to Moscow in case I don't fuck anything over the next 2 months. I look at this from a business perspective managing my time and money.

Pat Reno

08-07-06, 16:16

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor_Skank
BTW, does anyone ever go to the beaches or aqua parks in Moscow? Must be a decent place to find women. On my last trip, several of the regular gfs told me they were "at the beach" when I called them... apparently there are a few public and private beaches along the Moscow river where girls go to sun themselves. Obviously swimming in the river is probably a health hazard, but scamming on the babes shouldnt be toooooo dangerous... ideas`or info anyone?

Hello, I E-mailed a Secretary in our Moscow office your question and this is what she sent back to me. -Pat

This is the list of the most popular beaches in Moscow, approved by sanitary inspectors as clean and safe:

Troparyovo Beach
Address: Academician Vinogradov Street, recreational area “Troparyovo”, 339-38-52
Pure sand and clear water. Trampoline, horses, beach volleyball, barbecue, shooting gallery. You can hire a three-seated boat at 180 rubles an hour, or catamaran at 200 rubles an hour.
Entrance: free

Rublyovo Beach
Myakinskoye highway, 1, phone: 414-14-24
Catamarans and boats at 200-400 rubles an hour. Pure sand, well-attended clean area, clear water. Ocassional glamour parties and beach dancing contests.
Entrance fee: 30-40 rubles

Serebryanny Bor-3
Polezhaevskaya metro station, 199-09-70
The most famous Moscow beach. Divided into three areas. Beach-3 enjoys most attention of Muscovites. Neat and clean. A little far away from the main area is a nudist beach.
Entrance fee: 50 rubles

Serebryanny Bor-2
Tamanskaya, beach-2

Khimky-2
Nikolsky Tupik, 2
Clean. Beach voleyball and badminton. Enjoys increasing popularity.
Entrance: free

Strogino
Schukinskaya metro station, then bus# 277
One of the busiest beaches in Moscow. Windsurfing, kiteboarding, hydrocycling and water scooters.
Entrance: free

Bolshoi Sadovy (Academic) pond
Bolshaya Academicheskaya street, 38a, 154-34-66
Not deep, 2 meters. Boats, playing grounds with slides and paddling pool for children; shower, cabanas. Nearby is a magnificent ancient empire grotto with whitestone columns. The pond is located on the territory of the former country estate Petrovsko-Razumoskoye.
Entrance: 50 rubles

Levoberezhny
Pribrezhny avenue, 5
Despite the noise from the nearby Lenigrad Highway, the beach is very crowded every weekend.
Entrance: free

Besides these accessible and widely popular beaches, there are also more expensive beaches that offers more variety. For instance, the entertainment beach center “Beach Club” in Moscow has: bar on sand, facilities for children, gym, restaurant, sushi bar, coffee house, hire station, super-banya, bungalow, VIP zone, mini yacht club, games, aquapark, parking, beach volleyball, mini-soccer, background music, stage for concerts and fashion shows. (www.beach-club.ru) Another beach area of a higher than average level is Gorky Beach located on the territory of Gorky Park, near the Moskva river. Has parking zone, disco in the open air, restaurant, bar. www.gorkybeach.ru 8(495) 517 59 87

Helena Moscow

08-08-06, 02:21

Helena you are one of the most beautiful and intelligent woman that i have never seen (and 1st in my heart) please explain me with Pat Reno why Here a means of making test HIV and to have a response in less than 20 minutes on the other hand I do not know the price, this way detects also other infections and if with this means one we could fuck finally without condom ?

http://www.orasure.com/products/default.asp?cid=17&subx=3&sec=3

In all the cases, the HIV (aids) is detectable only 3 months after the contamination, that the test is done in 20 minutes or into 1 week does not change anything.

There is no question of having made medicine studies but to have a minimum of good direction and not to be irresponsible... I hope that the pigeons who will buy that will understand that the 20 minutes relate to only the test in itself and will not fuck without condom while believing themself quiet

Vince, nobody speaks about unprotected sex =))))). You are right about the 3 months and importance of being responsible. Just I am very much interested in this sort of oral tests, because the normal prosedure of HIV-testing is very painful :(. I think for people who make these tests often, it could be a good idea to avoid making holes in the hand each time. On the other hand there are some other infections detected by blood analisis, which makes holes in hand almost unavoidable.

Doctor_Skank

08-08-06, 08:54

Ricardo Cabro

08-08-06, 09:00

Long time filing this report, but as I see Doc has shamed me by getting his belated report filed I thought I’d better pull my finger out. This report dates back to early July and marked a small milestone for me, this being my 20th trip to Moscow. I always seem to gravitate to CF, whatever the weather. This time I was going to try other options, including hitting some clubs with Doc Skank. As it turns out though, this is mostly a report about the “Black Hole “(like the name Doc).

Saturday 01/07. Things started badly. I had just 90 minutes to clear immigration, collect my luggage and get from Domodedyevo to central Moscow before the England vs Portugal world cup game kicked off. However, my flight was delayed 90 minutes in London leaving me no time at all.

I eventually checked in at the hotel and went straight to Petrovich with my business partner (BP1) just in time to see the worst display of penalty taking ever by the England team. With no more serious interest in the world cup I could try and concentrate on other issues but my immediate disappointment was hard to hide so, after a bite to eat and a few beers I headed home to sleep.

Sunday 02/07. At 1:30 in the afternoon BP1 called to say he was coming by to go out for the afternoon to his friend’s dacha. As I struggled to the bathroom I got another call, from Lina, a long time semi-GF saying she was on her way over in a taxi. A bit of history here: I met Lina about 5 years ago through a dating web site and we usually meet when I am in Moscow and we’ll go shopping, choose something nice for her and then she turns into a fuck bunny for the next 24 hours. Now Lina is an attractive, brunette, and 41 years old but with a very well looked after body. I had told her I would be in Moscow a few weeks before by email, she replied that she was getting married to an American and going to live in Hawaii. I countered with the offer of a farewell lunch but forgot all about it until she called as I stepped into the shower.

However, this is Russia and BP1 arrived at my hotel and when he saw I had company he simply called his GF and arranged for her to meet us at the dacha. We drank wine , cooked shaslik and generally had a chilled out afternoon at the dacha. Early evening, I took Lina to the bathroom where we enjoyed an intense farewell fuck. As we left, BP1 and his GF took over from us and were ensconced for some time clearly (ie; audibly) enjoying each other.

Around midnight we were heading back to the city in the same taxi that took us out to the dacha (1000 rub this guy charged for almost 12 hours!!). As we hit Prospect Mira close to the Cosmos Hotel, BP1 discovered he had left his cell phone at the dacha. Lina and I jumped out and took another taxi back to my hotel to continue our goodbyes while BP1 and GF played hunt the cell phone. After another round of sucking and fucking Lina had to leave so I put her in a taxi and wished her well in her new life and 2 minutes later I was in a taxi of my own en route to the “Black Hole” or CF. As one door closes its important to get your toe into another.

The CF crowd was pretty solid for 2:15am on a Monday morning, probably half full and, most surprising of all to me, there was a high factor of not only new faces but some solid 8’s and the occasional 9. Rumours about the ownership of CF changing have been rife for some time and the general slide in expat friendliness is probably linked to this. But, and it an important but, if the quality of the WG’s has gone up several notches then we shouldn’t ***** too much about the price hikes. To me CF is now an indoor Tochka with security on the door and the opportunity to meet, assess and party a little with your chosen one before buying. Drinks are incidentals, I would buy these whatever bar I was in, so $200 - $300 per night for a very beautiful companion is not too OTT. The first time I went to CF I got away for $70, but the norm was $100. Five years on the price has doubled but I get more $$ for my GBP so it don’t hurt so much.

I settled on a bar stool close to my identified target: a very pretty redhead, skinny with big tits and probably 160cm tall. Oxsana (as I found out later) was chatting with a Flat Top but I made eye contact and exchanged a couple of smiles. Meanwhile, a very slim, big eyed brunette called Marina had started hitting on me so I had some fun drinking and talking with her whilst keeping a regular check on Oxsana and the Flat Top. By now Marina was growing on me and as the time was 3am decision time was approaching. This process was being facilitated by the glares and grunts coming from the Flat Top as he began to realise I was hitting on his date.

The next few minutes were surreal and part of the reason I love Russia so much. BP1 arrived (with his cell phone), slapped me on the back and we got a beer each. He instinctively new where to find me as my hotel desk told him I had gone out. Once he understood the situation with Oxsana he approached Flat Top and a short but heated discussion in Russian ensued. The outcome was that Flat Top got up and left. I later learnt that BP1 asked what his problem was and Flat Top suggested that foreigners should not come to Moscow and fuck Russian girls. BP1 kindly informed him that I was more Russian than him and he agreed to leave. As a reward, I introduced BP1 to Oxsana and shortly after we all left (me with Marina) for BP1’s apartment for some much needed fun. Marina sucked like a Dyson and was full of fun and enthusiasm. Both girls asked $200 each for the balance of the night.

Monday 03/07. Spent most of the day drinking and sleeping at BP1’s apartment and returned to my hotel at 6pm. I took a nap and then went for dinner. After the previous night’s pleasant surprise at CF I decided to be lazy and go back to check it out again (as you do, even when you really know exactly what to expect). I arrived at 12:30 am and the placer was hardly jumping. The weekend was clearly over and most of the girls were recognisable as the seasoned CF regulars. I took a beer and went to talk to Anna one of the above mentioned seasoned regulars. Anna is probably mid thirties, bottle redhead and a large rack and too much make-up but we have some history from a few years back. You’ll know if you meet her ‘cos she always promises “good sex, good sex”. 30 minutes later the place hadn’t warmed up so I struck a deal with Anna and we went back to the hotel. I’d forgotten what Anna means by good sex. She is certainly enthusiastic, but not a GFE. She does all the right things but its fairly mechanical – a bit like fucking a porno movie. After a couple of hours I’d had enough and Anna left, apparently returning to CF to see if she could score again.

Tuesday 04/07: Time to work and after a busy day I ended up at the Albion with a client from Belarus (BP2). After a couple of beers and some bar snacks at the Albion we moved on to Pyramid to scope the chicks. Not too much to report so we called BP1 (a mutual friend of BP2). He was still drinking more than 24 hours after I left him so we took a taxi to his place to make sure he was OK. This was something of a mistake as the evening descended into the three of us drinking vodka at his kitchen table until we all passed out.

Wednesday 05/07: I managed to rouse myself and crawl back to my hotel at 6am and then slept until early afternoon when it was time to earn a little more cash with a couple of business meetings. This was an important day for me as I was scheduled to meet Doc Skank in the evening so I was determined to stay out of trouble, away from the vodka during the business meetings, etc. We all know Doc is a bit of a legend on this board. His exploits and input have been superb and I have learned my way around Moscow and St Petersburg by absorbing his many posts. I still carry a copy of his infamous “White Shoes” post with me – it’s a literary masterpiece, it always makes me smile and it tells you a lot about how Russians think as well as Doc’s mongering exploits in Piter.

My final business meeting started well but disintegrated. The two Russians I was with have been business partners for years but today was the day they decided to divorce. The boss man departed and I was left with his forty-something but attractive former partner crying on my shoulder, having (foolishly or gallantly, I’m not sure) promised to look after her. Lets call her BP3. I invited her for dinner, feeling sure that I would be away and free in time to meet Doc, so we got in her car. Here I should explain that I don’t speak Russian and whilst BP3 understands some English, her spoken English is not good. Still, I was doing the right thing. The first hour in the car we moved about 500 metres (don’t you love Moscow traffic). Eventually we got moving and she just kept driving. All I knew was we were going west, into the sunset.

Eventually we arrived in a suburb built exclusively of Soviet style apartment blocks. We parked and entered one of said apartment blocks and took the stinky elevator. By now I assumed we were going to her apartment but realised this was not the case as she wandered around looking for the right door. Finally, we entered and were greeted by a guy in his 50’s (her husband maybe?). Within minutes the table was laden with food, the vodka came out and BP3’s best friend was chatting away, to my relief, in English. We had a great couple of hours, he played guitar and sang songs, we drank and BP3 cheered up. Turns out this guy is a former Colonel in the Moscow police so you can bet I kept his visit card…you never know when you need a good contact.

Finally, we departed and BP3 drove me back to the hotel where I swapped her car for a taxi and headed for CF, already late for my meeting with Doc, ostensibly to watch football but by now it was getting too late.

Now, I’ve been travelling for 20 years and been to almost 60 countries. In all my travels I have been really fortunate and have met one articulate, educated and internationally aware American. I can now double this tally as Doc is right up there. I knew a lot from his writing style but the man does not disappoint. Friendly from the word go, well humoured and exceptionally comfortable in the company of women. I drink for courage, Doc has natural confidence. We sparked quite well and the difference is immense compared with when you hit a place like CF alone. Russian girls are drawn to confidence and to (apparently) successful people having fun. We soon had a burgeoning harem on our corner of the bar and, beer goggles or not, the quality was high.

Somewhere along the way we adopted another American guy with an amazing white smile. I forgot his name but Doc remembered the details in his post. Several beers later and I had reached the point where I don’t get more drunk but I just keep on drinking. This is danger time for me so while Doc and Mr Teeth departed with their chosen ladies I took a couple of bottles of water and went and sat in the restaurant area near the dance floor. After an hour or so I felt the self control returning and had to start from square one as I had allowed the harem to disperse when Doc departed. I noticed a slim, long haired brunette (there’s a theme here) dancing and went to join her. The DJ assisted me by then playing some (c)rap so we retired to the bar. Nadia was Moldovan (or from somewhere similar) and had a plumper butt than I would normally go for but she was very touchy feely and seemed genuinely happy to be with me. After a coffee we struck a deal (5000 rubles/ $185) and went to the hotel.

We showered together and Nadia smiled and kissed me when I slid a soapy finger in her butt hole. Things were looking good. When we went to the bedroom she produced condoms and lube. She gave a pretty good BBBJ and then rode me cowgirl before we switched to doggy. I applied a spot of lube and next minute I was sunk to my nuts in her ass. A few strokes later the condom was off and I came in her mouth. This was followed by her dash to the bathroom to spit. Sleep then took over for a couple of hours before we had a repeat round. Nadia’s not the prettiest girl in the world but she does the business, is very affectionate and came in at under $200.

Next time I go to Moscow I’m going to fulfil the promise I made to myself in September 2005 – no more CF. It’s a dive, its overpriced, the security charge is a disgrace, it’s the same old *****s, etc, etc.

Hasta la Victoria, siempre

Ricardo

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Big Bro AJ

08-08-06, 09:59

I forgot to write.

On saturday night around 22:30 only 300 metres away from CF, we saw a tochka. There were at least 20 WGs. They were too comfortable and didn't even bother to wait their customers at the valley.

They were chatting with the potential customers and beacon girl just presented the girls.

Pat Reno

08-08-06, 11:48

Pat Reno:

Thanks for the list of beaches! Moscow can actually slow down club-wise in the summer, so having some beach areas to check out gives us more girl-watching and girl-chasing opportunities, especially during the day! Thanks for the help!

Doc:

I am more in the regions than in Moscow, and it's amazing how Kazan becomes like the twilight zone during Dacha season. I have gone to the beach a lot of times in Kazan, Perm, Samara, and Yekaterinburg and I noticed that the girls are really friendly, it was easier getting phone numbers than in a club. A lot of people share shisliki, play football, or beer and young and old people mix and talk. I remember an older Russian man came up to a girl I was with and asked to take a picture of us because we looked good together, probably her above average sized breasts had something to do with it too. Good luck!

Doctor_Skank

08-08-06, 12:32

PR:

I envy you for your regional travels, must be pretty interesting to see all aspects of Russian life. Dacha/holiday season does take its toll on city nightlife though, even in a place like Moscow.

Maybe Russians have a photo fetish like the Japanese? I remember a funny situation at CF when I was talking to a very cute CF pro named Nadia and a somewhat suspicious Russian guy starting taking dozens of pictures of us, asking us to pose together etc., which we did. He then abruptly left. The girl then turned to me and said "your friend is very strange, why did he want to take our picture?". I then said, "my friend, I thought he was your friend!".

Never saw him again, but he must have about 30 pictures of me with a beer in hand and a platinum blonde, pink-lipsticked ho hanging all over me. So much for my budding political career... :)

Pat Reno

08-08-06, 12:58

Doc:

I love when I go to Moscow because of all the choices and top level girls, in the regions it's a lot of adventure and sweet girls too. Hard to decide which is better, but I wish I spent more time in Moscow. Russian's definitely like sharing photos, I go to Russian homes for business dinners a whole lot, and they always sit down on the coach and bring out all of the photo albums. And they always have the mandatory bikini shot and short robe in the morning shot of the mother/daughter(s). I have dinner with a Militia Colonel and his family maybe four times a year and he shows me the same photos everytime as if it was the first time, luckily he has two daughters to keep me entertained. After reading your posts all this time I was ready to vote for you, but with a photo like that you probably will have to run in Las Vegas. I remember during Yeltsin that Justice Minister that got caught in bed with the two 17 year old WG's and had the photo splattered all over the place. Pat

Doctor_Skank

08-08-06, 13:36

PR:

Yeah, the photo albums are a must. Sitting down on the aged upholstered couch drinking tea or vodka, of course. And the house should smell like a volatile mixture of boiled cabbage and dust for the full effect... :)

The obligatory bikini shot seems to be some sort of federal law too, because they all have it. Another trend I have noticed is that most have pictures of them kissing their other girlfriends when they are in their teens... like they are practising or something... or pictures in their pyjamas and lingerie taken during impromptu modeling sessions from their teens.

Despite all this apparent sexual experimentation at early ages, it is surprising how many girls are still quite sexually inexperienced at 18 or 19.

The militia colonel in any town is a good guy to know... especially if he has daughters to be your bodyguards... :)

An angry militia father is a bad guy to know. Now that I am reminiscing, I remember sitting together alone with my new barely 18-yr old gf in a Moscow oblast 12th floor apartment browsing through just such a photo album admiring my new girlfriend's half-naked pictures of her friends when she non-chalantly cooly commented "I hope my father doesnt come home now, he hates Americans and will kill you." Even as I gulped down a muted laugh I saw the militia hat hanging in the corner of the room next to some plaque... she continued turning pages, making a typical russkaya comment.

"This is my friend Masha. She is very beautiful. Is she more beautiful than me?" Hint hint.

No Ksusha, she isnt. But maybe her dad doesnt carry a pistol and a badge... :)

Pat Reno

08-08-06, 14:04

Doc:

I agree 100% with you it's amazing with as much groping and experimenting they do in the corridors of the schools how innocent and coy they can be at 18/19 even after starting University. I remember a University girl named Alyona, beautiful blonde, who interviewed for a part time job with us and she sat with her legs apart and wearing white pantyhose and sheer panties. I thought, she has to know she is driving me crazy, she must want the job bad, and then a week later she's with me in a bookstore and I ask her to translate the back of the book cover for me and she stops half way though and says with a little girl voice whisper, " It's about something dirty between a man and a woman." It was a book of poems by the way, not erotica. On the other extreme was Sasha same class as Alyona, same year, I think different section though, I woke up to find her going through the trash and rubbing the condom inside out on her Koshka! She wasn't coy about what she wanted.

That's a great story about the Militia daughter. I'm not sure I would have stuck around. My next door neighbor in Perm is a General in the Road Police and he made some kid who was necking with his daughter strip down to nothing and through him outside in the snow. I never saw any white man run that fast. Pat

Doctor_Skank

08-08-06, 14:24

The Perm story is pretty spooky... but trust me, I didn’t stay in the Moscow oblast apartment longer than I had to. I actually met the girl’s mother once too, and was rip-roaring drunk at the time. Only good thing I had going for me was that I was extremely polite and that the gf’s grandmother thought I was good-looking, which I guess means I look like Stalin in riding pants or something. :)

In any case, she officially has permission to stay over at her “girlfriends house” when I am in town… in actuality mom and grandma have officially allowed her to get thoroughly rodded by a thirtysomething doctor of the skanky arts.

As for sudden innocence, even hos will sometimes object when too obscene language is used. I mean, these girls lick out guy’s assholes and I cant say “zhopa” and “siski”?

Sounds like you have a good gig with the Alyonas and Sashas of the world… I think I need to hang out around the uni more often, but I suppose I’d look terribly predatory with my "ISG sexual terror squad" t-shirt on…

Pat Reno

08-08-06, 14:40

Doc, Sounds Like you have a great thing going with the Militia Daughters of Moscow. Nothing makes you more respectable looking then being called a Good Boy by the Momma/Babushka.

The quickest way to scare a pro besides saying zhopi and siski is to get her to agree to a second hour and then tell her that your out of money and can she put it on your tab. My friend did this in a small hotel in Votkinsk and they actually went though his suitcases
to find something to pay for his second hour with the girl.
Pat

Doctor_Skank

08-08-06, 15:04

The second hour payment plan is usually paid by the pint of blood, right? :)

On the subject of no payment, a couple of CF pros reported to me about guys not paying at all or not having enough money to pay, especially drunk Russians. In those cases the pro was SOL (shit out of luck) and ended up with nothing. The gist of the complaints was that I should pay ahead of time, because she had to be sure I had money.... so maybe they were just "sob stories" made up to induce early payment, but the stories sounded legit and were probably true. In my case I paid half up front and half later.

One pro reported banging an American business guy all night and then he kicked her out of the SwissOtel in the morning with no payment and told her to complain to the cops if she had a problem. She didnt really have any choice but to leave, as she figured making a huge scene screaming bloody murder would have gotten her kicked out of the hotel by security and she wouldnt end up with any money anyway. Wonder how often that happens?

Pat Reno

08-08-06, 17:52

Old Russian proverb says, for every ounce of sperm on girl not paid for, one ounce of blood you'll give to big Pasha.

Doc, I think that it happens, especially in the regions. I saw a drunk director in a Public banya outside of Kazan getting into a fight with the Mommachka saying the girl had too much fun with him, so he shouldn't have to pay since she had a good time.

But then the Mommachka's handlers brought in their Militia handlers and the guy had to pay the Militia, the Muscle, and the Mommachka. I got the same girl later that night and she wasn't in a good mood.

Psychonaut

08-08-06, 18:23

Here is a short description of my week end in Moscow.

I'm usually a great fan of LHW (Leading Hotels of the World), so I booked a room at the National Hotel. I choosed a business suite, for $500/day all included. I wouldn't recommend to anyone to do the same, as room is very little, not so well organized, and with poor bathroom. However, location is a must (just facing the Kremlin, on Teatralnaya metro). Next time, following recommendation of some pros, I'll choose the Hyatt, or the Swiss Hotel.

Just after checking in, I called this lovely girl (http://www.elitegirls.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=8875&n=4), and asked her to come to my hotel for two hours ($400). She arrived 30min ago, after having called me back in my room to confirm location. I picked her up in the lobby, absolutely no problem with security.
She is as beautiful as on the picture, with very nice (enhanced) breasts. She is quite talkative and in happy mood. I'm not sure if she speaks English, however (I spoke only Russian with her). She really enjoy sex, and give great covered blowjob. I highly recommend her; she stayed 3 hours of intense sex (so one hour more than agreed), and didn't ask for any tip, or even taxi money.
I was a total mess, and wanted to sleep, but she asked me to walk her out. Of course, I complied, and as you'll see I didn't regret it...

Walking out of the lift, the stunning blonde on my arm, crossing the bar to go to the lobby, I saw two model type girls obviously waiting for customers. They locked me in the eyes while I was passing. I think I also got the attention of all men, difficult to keep low profile with such a girl on your arm.
I kissed the blonde goodbye, and went back to my room. I had to cross the bar again, and of course, I stopped, and sat with the two girls...
They work as model/high class escort, half time in London. $500 each/hour. High price, but also stunning girls, above of what you can see in Night Flight for instance.
Night seem to be slow, so I negociate $300 each and we went to my room, under the same envious glaze of the other men, who were surely asking themselves why they didn't move first...

I had great time with the two, but I felt a real connection with one, so I politely sent back the other after first round, to enjoy more intimity. A real nice experience! The girl stayed until morning, so I gave her $100 tip.

Next day (Friday evening), I wanted some rough action, so I decided to go in strip club Rasputin (the most expensive of the city, where is supposed to be the best girls). I was ready to get some, $3000 in my pocket, and in a mood to get the hell of 4 or 5 girls in the VIP suite room.
Unfortunately, I was really disappointed by the girls there, couldn't find any I really like (Many 7 or 8, but not any 9 or 10, in my opinion). The girl from yesterday (the one who stayed until morning) called me, so I decided to head back to the hotel for a nice GFE night.

On Saturday, after having spending all day shopping and burning my Platinum card, I thought that a normal night in normal clubs would do fine. Someone told me about "Propaganda", a place supposed to be full of pretty girl ready for adventures. So I headed there around 23h. Bummer. Really not my style of place! Full of students, girls dressed with jeans, people drinking beer, and not any shiny model type in sight. Average beauty of the girls: 5-6. I went out in a hurry and headed to First, an Elitny klub near Hotel Kempinsky. Bummer again. Face control denied me. If you don't have the connection, you can't enter, and agitating my $20K Bulgari watch couldn't help.
I headed to Fabrique, which is 15min away by foot. No problem to enter there, it's more like a semi-elitny klub. Packed with girls, 7-8 average, but not any real stunners. After 7 vodkas, girls were not so bad after all... I scouted the place, located the most beautiful who were not too obviously escorted by big Russian guy, and picked them up one by one to bring them in the VIP place (to get there, it's $100 per person, so for each girl, I just paid $100 so they can sit with me). With this strategy, no one refused to follow me (who wouldn't want to be on the VIP area and scoff at others girls?). I had 6 girls with me, and I have to say I lost a little bit track of the things. I know I ordered a lot of food and a lot of bottles... I also know I kissed a lot of girls, and made other frenchkiss together for me. At around 7AM, I was really done, didn't want anything more and went home alone. You may think I'm crazy, but I had much more fun doing this Oligarsh style party than taking any girls home with me. I think it costed me around $1500 in total. I have also 6 phone numbers of girls, but I can't remember who is who, and anyway I'm sure that sober they wouldn't excite me so much.

On the Sunday, after having passed out all day on the bed, I was a little bit in a slow mood. I went to Night Flight to check out the action there. Around 30 girls and a few guys. I discussed with 2 or 3 girls who seemed to be the hottest, and wondered about making a porno-like session in hotel, but I was so down and tired that I passed.
Girl from first night called me, and told me to join her to Garage, a club 5 min from Night Flight. It was a benediction for me, and I left Night Flight for Garage. There a very funny situation: face control denies me! "Only members tonight". Of course, this is bullshit, this is Sunday evening, the place is almost empty, and they let in total wasted people. Regaining my spirits, I say, ok I have my member card, look! And I give the guy 500 rubbles. He didn't take them, look at me, and say "walk away". A real nut case! So of course, I walk away... And then his phone rings, and he gets busy in a conversation. So I wait that he is not paying attention to me anymore, and I enter. Total nonsense!
Inside, there are more people than what I thought, dancing on the sound of R&B music. Some girls, but young and not too glamour... I wait for my girl, and we go out to Galeria to eat something nice.

On Monday evening, I check out strip club Dolls, but place is dead, and girls are far from being stunning. I go back to the hotel and decide to spend the night watching DVDs. Can't take sex anymore.

Doctor_Skank

08-09-06, 08:42

Great report Psychonaut, you are a money-burning psycho!

Sounds like you found what you were looking for on day one and then experienced a bit of frustration... lucky for you had gotten such a hot contact on day 1. One of the best things about having a great girl is the looks you get from the other guys... priceless!

I won't go into the whole money/price issue, obviously you spent way more money than most ISG members would or probably could, but that's your biz. After a couple of days in Moscow I also catch myself considering $100 mere pocket change... that's Moscow life in the fast lane. For mere mortals the fast lane is a bit too fast, me included. After 4 or 5 days I have to get out of that town before I go completely broke! I envy you for your oligarch night out, even if I would have spent $1500 on other things than plates of fresh fruit and bacardi colas. But hey, carpe diem semper fi.

Just a couple of comments on the clubs you mentioned.

Propaganda: probably the best prop night is Thursday, but it generally does attract a studenty crowd on all nights. Plenty o babes in my opinion, but it does also draw a lot of semi-bohemian types as well, which generally aren't very sexy. As for jeans, jeans are very popular in all levels of the club scene from student to rocker to elite. Russian girls wear them well as far as my eyes can tell, although some Russian girls are actually too skinny for jeans. Imagine that. Almost next door to Prop is Club XIII, which supposedly has gotten quite good. You went at 2300h... that's pretty much too early for any club. Often early in the night the less than beautiful girls go out hoping to get past face control before the club fills and face control gets stricter. Prop may have improved by 3am. It's also the semi-elite category.. has face control, but you'll get in.

First: club card is ALMOST a must there.. thankfully I have one. Kind of a waste on me though, because I never liked that club much and rarely go. :)

Fabrique: Great club with passable face control, especially for expats. I personally find the girls there very fuckable... but I seem to find fuckable girls at almost any club, guess my screening process is more "demokratichny"... You summed the place up well, thanks for the view inside the VIP area...

Garazh: Can be a bi$ch to get into on certain nights. Garazh is well-known as an in-club for Moscow elite youth on non-trad club nights like Sunday. Also a good place to go when all other clubs are dying out, sometimes Garazh has a good vibe into the wee morning hours. When I say young crowd I mean the real younglings. Especially on r'n'b night, it packs in a crowd of young rich kids and not-so-rich kids tagging along with their rich friends. Must be even worse now that B-Club closed. I have never done very well there in terms of picking up these young girls, they seem too involved in their own clique-ish world to care. Don't feel bad about getting faced there... it can happen almost anywhere. As for bribing face control, I have rarely seen it work successfully with anyone. You are either in or you're out.

Starchild2012

08-09-06, 10:16

Psychonaut...Great post...you livin a mongers's dream....NO LIMIT to anything :D can't wait for your next post..atleast sitting in my house....I can dream your Mr.Bond lifestyle :)

Excess

08-09-06, 11:27

No matter if you have any disagreement with any aspect of Psychonaught's methodolgy or approach to the mongering life, or not - his memorable words will ring true to every monger, in every land as the truth: "After 7 vodkas, girls were not so bad after all... "

Could be a byline for ISG. :-))

Excellent.

Doctor_Skank

08-09-06, 12:00

Big Bro AJ:

Just read this in the recent Exile, I think it solves the mystery of your missing Jack Daniels...

"Behind Russia's Dry Spell

"A few weeks, a month tops, and then the imported booze would start flowing again." That's what everyone assumed on July 1st, when the new excise law regulating imported booze came into effect and liquor shelves emptied overnight. Little did they know that the situation was much more fucked up...

That's because the new law didn't just call for a new excise tax sticker to be put on all wine and alcohol bottles. It was much bolder than that. It called for the most sophisticated government regulatory system than Russia has ever seen. one that would be able to track the history of every single bottle of booze in the country at any given moment. It also forced importers to buy the scanners and computers needed to upload information to a central system, bottle by bottle, for instant tracking.

The idea must have had Russian bureaucrats drooling; July 1st would be remembered as the day of Russia's first truly centralized database came online!

One thing they didn't expect is that the moment of their triumph would be labeled "Black Saturday." The day the good booze died. On that day, stores, restaurants and bars had to return their entire stock of imported alcohol to the wholesalers from which they bought them. Even now, more than a month after the new law took effect, the good shit is still nowhere to be seen.

Initially, we at Kompromat Korner thought conspiracy. There was just no way all that alcohol disappeared unintentionally. Russian alcohol manufacturers were the only guys in town that could supply the product, and they're making a killing. Someone must've been taking a cut of that action... But no. When the dust settled, it turned out to be much less interesting.

The law's intent was good enough. It was supposed to combat corruption and clamp down on excise avoidance. But just ask Chernomyrdin what happens when you try to make something better in Russia. This time, two familiar problems got in the way: incompetence and greed.

According to Bolshoi Gorod, the law was fast-tracked thru the Duma in order to keep up with the national ban on Moldovan and Georgian wine. To make matters worse, the contract to develop EGAYS (the database's acronym) was awarded to an FSB IT organization called Atlas. According to its website, Atlas had its hand in pretty much every electronic government system in the country since the 1950's.

Surprisingly, they managed to set it up. A month after the law came into effect, EGAYS is up and running, not smoothly, but still running. The problem is at the consumer level: it's almost impossible to obtain the hardware needed to plug into the EGAYS system. The problem is not so much that the Atlas-designed barcode scanners cost 50,000 euros as the fact that Atlas only employs two people for the entire Moscow region. Yep. Two people are qualified to install, certify and service the equipment for a city of 12 million registered hard drinkers. You do the math.

Vedmosti calculated that developing the database cost Atlas about $127 million. In return, it would make about $239 million annually from a fee built into the new excise law. Nearly a 100% return on investment isn't bad for a first year in business, doubly so for a government entity. But since it's got no fear of losing the contract, Atlas doesn't see any reason to share the wealth, or even work competently. So what if Russia's entire alcohol import industry hangs on by the skin of its delirium-tremens teeth.

According to industry insiders, the situation should resolve itself by the end of September. By then, they should have the bugs out of the tracking software and hardware and it'll be installed by all importers that haven't gone bankrupt. But here's the real kicker: when the imported booze does come back online, it may be 30% more expensive than before, since it'll be much harder to avoid the taxes.

Still, it could've been worse. The first draft of the new excise law called for the wholesale destruction of all alcohol tagged with the old excise stamps. 100-year-old cognacs, fine whiskies and vintage wines would have been bulldozed at a charge of 20 rubles per bottle to the paid to the Russian government."

Member #4732

08-09-06, 22:22

Some imported wine is starting to reappear on shelves in SPB. Don't know about Moscow.

The wierd thing is that the wines which appeared first were the crappy non vintage style "Vino Tinto", "Vino Rosso", "Vino de Casa" type wines. These were imports so I assume they are subject to the same cert issue, regardless of the fact that they are crappy wines. For the life of me I don't know why they were the first back on the shelf.

I must say, I am highly grateful to the Russians for manufacturing cheap "champagne". Most of the Russian girls think its a treat so you can dish it out and not go broke. "Oh, you want champanska. No problem"

Personally, I don't care much for champagne period. I do know, I'm not going to splurge for imported French champagne ever again. I had a week of revelry with a lady back at New Years and she asked me to get some French champagne. So I bought a bottle of Peiper Heisdeck, somewhere above $60, can't recall exactly. And I bought a backup bottle of russian/ukrainen champanska.

Anyway, later I unveil the "great" French champagne. Pour our glasses and toast. She says "Ugh. This is not French champagne. This is Russian". I'm no connouseur but I have had enough champagne to know it tasted the same as any other French champagne I have had in the states. I tried to assure her that it was French, but she assumed it was forgery. Needless to say she gladly drank it and the crappy champansky bottle too.

It Travel

08-13-06, 14:59

Dear Friends,

I’ve seen that one of the most problems of all, when getting in Russia, is getting a fair price for an hotel. (and not only for that). Often central located rooms are priced ricoulously at 500/700 USD in a western five star, around 250/400 in a Russian run one. Even at the agencies the price are high. And it’s not only that. Monstrous telephone charges and crazy prices for everything. Last time I was at National, no Russian draught beer, only western, and 500 RUR (15.50 Euro!), just for a beer!! Somewhere it’s even worse.

Look at http://www.tourintel.ru/online/gethotellist.asp it’s a post soviet tourist agency, and you can compare the prices, mind that company discounts for chains are much lower in Russia, specially in Moscow… so getting a Hyatt at 600/800 USD for a week, plus all extras, means that your bill will go around 5.500-6.500, not eating all the days at their restaurant, for a week. I have no economic problems, but I do not want to waste the money as a lot do in Moscow like 700 USD for an hotel room which should cost 200, 60 USD for a two way taxi to a restaurant, which should cost 15, and a meal for two for 200 USD! Or even worse 400 USD for two hour with a girl… for 500 USD you should get a real good night (12-14 hours) with a model type teen, nearly a Playboy girl!

So instead, taking down the cost on hotels, I prefer to take suites, fully equipped, at Izmailovo Delta-Gamma (approx 170 USD), but if you are on budget you can get doubles with queen bed for approx 70-80. Look at www.izmailovo.ru , but never go in the cheap rooms… for DOGS!
You can buy the hotels both from Akademservice and Intourist (they both have an office in Delta lounge), and other agencies, but I recommend one of this two or directly the hotel in the site. Telephone is free (local) and international cheap, just give 1.000 RUR in deposit

Usually you get all the things you should get, even a PC and internet, a fax, and so on, except a minibar (they are just starting), you have to fill your own your fridge. But this is not a problem on ground the things I like, usually, are not in the normal fridges… like normal Russian beer, dried calamari or some salmon or even sausages, pickles, and some good vodka (Russian Standard Platinum or Stolichnaya Zavod Crystall), and some juice, and Borjomi, or Narzan or even Essentuki water.

Girls

So, first of all to get a girl up to you have to deal with security, between 7.00 to 23.00 they must let up anybody with proper documents (registered)… this is good so they will not steal anything from you… Otherwise, just give discretely a tip of 1.000 RUR (per girl, if you have two it’s 2.000) to the elevator guard. The best is to register the girl as a guest and pay breakfast… As I do with my sponsored ones, no problem…

So what you will find here in the area?

Izmailovo Gamma-Delta
A full of choice breakfast (but mind it’s not a five star, mostly Russian food) but if you want five fried eggs nobody will say anything. A good shop for filling the fridge (at the end of the Gamma Lobby), some cash machines, a good Sauna with pool (Gamma 6-16 Elevator Lobby), a couple of good bars where you can se the traffic in the Lobby (in total I think that bars and restaurants are more than 20), and the Amazonas and Pantera (24h) with nice food. Of course there are two Pharmacies, all Viagra, Cialis types, and at least 10 types of condoms (!!!).

Outside
Going in the metro station Partisanskaya direction you will find the Alfa on your left and the other two blocks on your left. There is a low building with shops.
Funny thinks, coming from Delta, the first is a Karaoke, perhaps the only bar in whole Russian Federation not serving (not always) vodka! But there is a real Pharmacy (with all you can need), and some food shops, good the red caviar, the salmon, and the smoked good, not, of course the black caviar, for 500 RUR, (they call it surogatiy, coming from Italian word, meaning fake). You will find also a change booth, and in the rear of it a sex shop, with big signs INTIM (a little bit expensive but…useful, especially for handcuffs and butt plugs… you do not want the customs guys to see them!). In the same little block there is a Sushi Restaurant, the best of the area. Expensive, but quite good. Last time I was there with Valentina.

If you go straight on you get to a small circular, with a dome, shopping complex, in the middle food shops, in the other corridors and at the 2nd floor clothe shops. Some of these are, I suppose, shops for girls working in Nights! ;) you will find the most crazy shoes like zebra made high heels, and so on, take you girl friend there! And have some fun in the night!! Like real Private Lap Dance (use the room table!

Vernissage

In the other direction you will find the vernissage, and then the market, I think you can go there and walk for a day without seeing the same things… Mind that the souvenirs are usually half price that in the city, and the shashlik is good…
Just go around… If you like markets, just go around and do not be afraid.

Girls Inside…

You can sure find some from the security staff in Delta-Gamma (100 USD/hour… too expensive)
There are some in the lobby (Delta-Gamma), nothing exceptional and no GFE at all, they have taximeter.
Admiral Night in Alpha hotel… not my style, just paying a lot for lap dances, I’m for fuck instead…
No live in the other three hotel blocks lobbies…

Note

If you get here you should have your own way to get girls… otherwise the security or the taxis, just in front of the Russian fast food near the metro will overcharge you monstrously. The chance to get a freebie is close to zero…

Note 2

Best option in Izmailovo is that you can go around the lobby, at a bar, or even at breakfast with a teen, with the risk of meeting a friend or a colleague! ;)
The business persons here are mostly Asian and Russian, very few Europeans, even if the hotel have all you need and you are in 20 min in the red square (by metro not by taxi).

But mind NEVER TAKE THE CHEAP ROOMS!!! FOR DOGS!!!

Bye

IT

CharlieH

08-14-06, 02:07

Dear, the friend you so well praise This Hotel. In June after your advertising, many guys called to me from this Hotel and asked to arrive girls. All have refused to go. This Hotel is in the remote area of city, much Azerbaijanians live in this Hotel. People who trade in the markets, stop in This Hotel. This Hotel not for international people, not for tourists too. Even after repair This complex wishes to be better. Do not mislead guys. This Hotel-vestige of the past. Beside there is no good supermarket, only cheap tents with poor-quality alcohol.

I guess real men don't stay at Gamma Delta; real men stay at Hyatt :-))))

Disclaimer: I've never stayed at the Delta so I can't vouch for it. But I find Victoria's comment amusing and I'm sure we've all been lectured by Russian women on what a "real man" should do :-)))) Ans:$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It Travel

08-14-06, 07:45

Dear Victoria,

I well know that some girls, not all, do not want to go to Izmailovo, mostly on ground they will be registered… before 23.00

For the rest… In the markets in the area you will find the same selection of drinks (and in the menu too) that you find everywhere, like Russian Standard, Martini, Jack Daniels, or whatever. The shops are just small, I mean the outside ones…

When I get to an Hotel I want some comfort, etc. And I do not want to meet colleagues, competitors of friends. As I told you basic rooms are for Dogs.

But if you go
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471670&postcount=924
you can see mine pics of Izmailovo room… of course Ikea style furniture.. but quality for price.

Dear CharlieH, I agree with you, why do all the Russian girls think that all westerners have to stay at Hyatt, Kempinski or so on, as told If you stay a week, with all the extras it will be around 5.000 USD :(

The room I take in Izmailovo, closer to where I have to go and work, for a week, with a lot of extras, will cost around 1.500 USD… so I can put 3.500 on fun (!). ;)

I do not understand, but perhaps the fun is just waste money and show the others you are doing so… :( I think understatement is an important thing in life... ;) You can do things but why to "communicate" them to everybody?

Really CharlieH I can’t believe why lot of Russian, specially girls, have this ideas, I have of the noticed that (I’m not speaking of pros, but normal Russian) I know Moscow better than them, know better different kinds of Russian products, and sometimes even Russian History.

The funniest was a girl (Iriska, office secretary, speaking a passable English), 22, and she did not know who Gagarin was… simply unbelievable. I mean… it’s a different way of life: MTV on all the day, ad show the others how much money you have, wasting it… but when you are 60? Or you will retire… My account is going on the company, but I treat company money better tan mine!!!

Sorry if sometime I’m polemic, but I’m in Russia and the East since 1980, and thre are still things I can’t belive.

PS. By the way I do not any advertising, and the Delta-Gamma (I do not mean Alfa, or the other blocs) is always full of foreigners, Asian, American and European.

IT

Doctor_Skank

08-14-06, 10:35

IT Travel:

If I were a wh0re I would rather bang some guy in the Hyatt for $500 than travel all the way out to Ismailovo for $200. I think the reasons are obvious. C'est la vie.

I am absolutely with you in terms of trying to save money etc., but for the pros, there are definite advantages in seeking high-spending businessman clients on company accounts staying in luxury hotels vs. penny-pinching tourists who have to watch how much they spend. No offense, I also have to watch what I spend, even if in Moscow it is impossible to stay within budget.

Let's face it, there is nothing fair nor will there ever be anything fair about male-female, man-woman, boy-girl or wh0re-client relations.

I really apologize for repeatedly using the word wh0re, but sometimes that's exactly what they are.

As for regular girls, they by no means expect all foreigners to be rich guys staying at the Hyatt or SwissOtel or Kempinski or wherever, but guys with money definitely appeal to most girls in one way or another. In military geo-political terms we call it power projection, and cash allows you to project your power into most aspects of the inter-sexual game... image, presents, holiday trips, respect... cash goes a long way.

Those areas that are uninfluenced by relative wealth, such as honor, compassion, intelligence, dignity or personality... will often never even enter into the final score if you haven't at least got enough cash power to get your foot in the door.

I'm not trying to paint a bleak picture and have met dozens of girls whose primary interest is NOT money... honest girls who prefer romantic quiet cafes to expensive restaurants, don't mind riding the metro and like to spend evenings at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to glam money-obliterating clubs to show off to their friends... but I have met many more who are obsessed with expensive clothes, holiday vacations and riding in style in the back of somebody's Merc. That's an international phenomenon, it is just more extreme in Moscow than most places, probably due to Russia's recent history and Moscow's spectacular wealth.

This obsession doesn't have to be our enemy though, in the end, it can be our friend.

In less-image obsessed societies such as Germany, it is a lot more difficult for guys 30+ years of age to find 18-20 year old girls willing to date/fuck them. In Russia, it's not difficult at all.

The glass isn't half empty, it's half full.

Just my 2 bits...

It Travel

08-14-06, 14:30

I can completely agree with you, but there is even other things… There are thousand and thousand of pros wh0res in Moscow… simply they can’t get all a “bed and fuck” in a western hotel. It’s a matter of statistics!

Of course You are right, but I must say that I’m trying to say the truth… the opposite as Victoria did in the last report here… look at the end… And I’m trying to respect anybody… and not say they that they are stupid and are foreigners and cant understand Russia…, Sorry but I think I do it more than most Russians. It’s not to be unfair, it’s just to look around.

Just for clarifying… for the same (ugly in my opinion) single at Kempinsky or Sheraton, you can get a nice and big suite at Sovietsky (approx 400-500 USD), why not. The atmosphere is completely different and you are not a Postal Wrapped Box from one room to the other, all exactly the same in all the world, with same breakfast, the same dessed guy, and the same smile saying you are welcome! The difference is that I easily can get a week (six nights) at Sheraton in Rio (I mean in Brazil) for 1.230 USD (Executive suite, with a nice view on the sea and on the strand, the only hotel on the strand in Rio, breakfast and all taxes included). In Moscow, and the Sheraton in Moscow is NOT located like the one in Rio, the same room (Executive suite, nice view on Tverskaya traffic) costs 3.480 USD (18% VAT excluded). No comment. Same buying system, same dates, low season for both.

The other thing is the perception you have with sponsored girls, is the same with wh0res, just a little bit different… They all drink energy drinks (! What hell do they think they do… they just give a lot of money to good marketing companies, yes they contain “taurin”, the teein in a dark Russian tea is surely more exciting); they all love sushi, but then you offer a sushi dinner… we can say 7.5/8.0 sushi quality, after two minutes they say it’s to much and they will be sick… Even worse if you try to get them to eat sashimi how it should be eaten… The answer will be immediately it’s frozen, It’s not fresh I can’t eat this. Coming from a couple of fisherman lands, I suggest that in most cases frozen is the most fresh fish… in any case this was not frozen.

The reality is simply that they do not like it (so I can eat two portions! ;) ) , they order it to be “a la page”, and it’s just that. Russia is a rich country, but money is divided in a very bad way. Young people seem that they have never been poor… I have been learned…, living in a “rich country”: “Take everything you want, but eat everything you take and think to people who can’t take anything”. I have never seen in my life wasting so much food like in Russia.

The incredible then is that no one knows where to buy real fresh caviar (I mean Ikra, unpacked, and boxed at the moment)… which is, as well known, the most luxurious food in the world… but it’s Russian. If it were German you can be sure there all will know where to buy it. By the way at the fish banks in the market (I can go there, but the address I suppose is in Malaja Pirogovskaja ul.) near the Novodevici monastery. Approx 2.300 RUR for 100 g for beluga not pasteurized. Less for others. The same with some Russian sweets and jams, absolutely at international standard… but they are Russian, not Trendy.

I know that this have nothing to do with hotel standards… but it takes out a mentality, a way of thinking. Quite different. Now I have money so I can waste it at all. You just need 10 minutes in the shopping mall in the manhez square for understanding this.

I have even some colleagues that are choosing restaurants on ground they are Trendy or not, it does not matter what you get in your plate, then they speak for hours to others telling a lot of things on the restaurant… lights, waiters, tables, service, decoration, noting on food!

I have a name… it’s simply called MTV generation (sorry to them it’s not their fault) generation. To seem not to be.

I think it’s all, I’ll not go longer in this kind of discussions… expressing no culture respect.

I will just sample here some of the things Victoria is saying… and I’m very sad for her.

"In June after your advertising, many guys called to me from this Hotel and asked to arrive girls. All have refused to go." Sorry for that, but first of all I do no advertising, then there are lots of agencies and girls happy to serve you in Izmailovo! By the way it's also perhaps I never by for the hour but only nights.

“…This Hotel is in the remote area of city…” Surely not true, 18 min with metro to Red Square, of course with the Moscow traffic 1 hour with taxi… I never use taxis in Moscow (just a couple of times in the last two-three years). I have no time for that, I’m not rich enough… I must work all the day, not sit in a bloody car stuck in a traffic congestion.

“…much Azerbaijanians live in this Hotel…” I’m not racist ! Perhaps its true, but most Azerbaijanians are working there, bars, cleaning, security, etc. The only people which I had problems, where drunk British (you know young college graduated going for an alcoholic vacation to Russia, with the cost of a Pint, you buy a bottle of vodka…) In any case too drunk to enjoy girls. Militia was taking care of them.

“People who trade in the markets, stop in This Hotel.” What’s wrong with this… so long they do not disturb customers and have money to pay the bill it’s OK. I have been trading too, not in the market, but, sincerely, I do not understand the difference.

“This Hotel not for international people, not for tourists too.” Sorry but is widely sold, in 1st class or even Business class room types, not standard ones, unrenovated since 1979. Good value for money, sold by the two biggest Russian tour operators, Akedamservice and Intourist (they both have offices there too). In summer it’s packed with tourist from all over Europe, I have personally seen lots of French, British, Italian, Spanish, Japanese and Americans, just for speaking on major countries.

“Even after repair This complex wishes to be better. Do not mislead guys. This Hotel-vestige of the past. Beside there is no good supermarket, only cheap tents with poor-quality alcohol.”
Sorry Victoria, but you are too young, in the past it was really bad… now, a part, is much better. In any case we need no supermarket… why should we? We are just living in a hotel. I can ensure you that the alcohol I drink usually is not stored in supermarkets, some times I find it, at (I use the old name) Gastronom n°1 (who knows Russia knows on what I’m speaking), or at the internal shop at Zavod Cristall… In any case the shpping centre with the dome, where you have “special” clothe shops, has a good sortment of any type of food, beware only on black caviar…

For making a long thing short… If I would like a nice dinner in Moscow I surely will not go to Marriot, Sheraton or whatever… but perhaps to the (small and romantic) mirror hall in Yar, or to the Central House of Writers (I can ensure you that the bill of the Kempinski covers just the aperitif), or even to a very good restaurant found on ul. Petrovka, just before the monastery on the opposite site. Wonderful fish and mushrooms! All is Russian.

Sorry if I’m a little bit cruel but I hate superficiality in such things…

IT