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I thought I would try Assorti tonight. It's a massage parlor that has been reported on before and sounded like a good prospect for my first night in town. Assorti used to be located near Barrikadnaya, but it has recently moved to a new location on Zemlyanoi Val, which is in the same neighborhood as Hot Dog's.
More to come...Strav,
Thanks for sharing. I have yet to try the house of happy finish; it sounds interesting.
Keep it coming.
Jake
Outstanding report, Stravinsky. I made a visit to the sister kv <<Kapriz back in December and had a similar experience. Actually almost every time I go to one of these places I leave happy.- that is to say happy that I didn't blow an extra 7500r at Nightflight or some such place.
Kapriz is right down the street from the Chistiye Prudy metro and I was able to negotiate fairly well even with my limited Russian, though I had a tough time figuring out the podyez. I went at about 1pm and had about 5 girls to choose from, all shapes and sizes. I think I paid about 1200r for the hour and it's still the best bargain in town.
I'll drive down this weekend for another visit. Hopefully this shitass weather will break by then.
Stravinsky
08-07-08, 04:31
Actually almost every time I go to one of these places I leave happy.- that is to say happy that I didn't blow an extra 7500r at Nightflight or some such place.There has been big increase in the number of massage parlors that work "bez intime" without sex. I think the local guys are also feeling the pinch of higher prices for full service, which for them, are approaching 4000r.
Member #2096
08-08-08, 22:17
I noticed last time I took a girl from Boarhouse that the girl requested me 1000r. She payed that to somebody in the corner of the bar. I saw more girls doing this as they left with the customers.
Is this normal practice. In thailand you pay barfine for the girls in the gogo bars. But this is a normal bar. Do the girls try to rip you off an extra 1000r. My friend took a girl back to his hotel but she kept complaining that she wanted more money even before reaching the hotel. He then sent her back but lost of course his 1000r.
To me 1000r is quite a lot for this (about 30 euro). I can get a nice Russian girl in Germany already for this price. Just the barfine of 1000r, what''s going on here.
Tiffany
I noticed last time I took a girl from Boarhouse that the girl requested me 1000r. She payed that to somebody in the corner of the bar. I saw more girls doing this as they left with the customers.I had some girls tell me this too, but only when it was busy. Late night and off-nights, it doesn't seem to be an issue. Also, I picked up a regular girl there a week ago and the okhraniki didn't say a word to either one of us on the way out.
BTW, what's to stop the girl from leaving alone and meeting you later in a nearby cafe or your hotel room? I've done that in other countries where the girl had to pay a fee to leave the bar (also in stripclubs where it was verboten to ever leave with a customer). After being stung a couple times, I will NEVER pay a girl in advance, no matter how hot she is.
To me 1000r is quite a lot for this (about 30 euro). I can get a nice Russian girl in Germany already for this price. Just the barfine of 1000r, what''s going on here.30 euro for a nice Russian girl in DE? Ah, come on... Anyway, as everyone on this forum has been complaining about, the price for pussy in Mow-town has been affected by inflation as much as everything else (if not more).
You can always try the high end clubs but they are too loud for me and the girls seem to be trolling for oligarchs these days (not that I blame them) so forget about inexpensive.There's also a good chance that you'll get "faced" at the elite clubs on good nights, even if you're a good looking, well-dressed guy.
Here are some of my favorite "regular girl" pick-up joints:
- Etazh (I've written about this already with respect to off-duty NF girls, but in general this is a great place to meet cute young things before and after clubbing)
- Papa John's (like Real McCoy, filled with lots of extremely drunk and easy girls, albeit not the best looking)
- Karma Bar (demokratichny club that is foreigner friendly, particularly good on HipHop Sundays)
- Tema (usually packed with drunk sluts, but stick to something simple to drink, as I've found the bartenders are horrible)
Also bear in mind that the high female:male ratios in clubs are essentially a thing of the past. Cute girls will have lots of attention and are accustomed to the "caveman" pickup style that is popular among the local men, so if your approach is the suave and subtle one, you won't have much of a chance. Be strong and confident and don't be afraid to cop a feel on the way in. Assuming her boyfriend isn't standing next to her, the worst you'll receive in return is a dirty look.
Passepartout
08-10-08, 12:20
Ppt,
I am curious about a couple of things…. did you negotiate your way into the salon by speaking English, or do you speak Russian? Also, the sextalk review reported the price paid as 4000r. I’m wondering if they have raised their prices??
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I negociated my way in russian as i speak some russian, but 100% sure they understood that i was a foreigner... So probably they have increased the price a little bit for this reason?
I negociated my way in russian as i speak some russian, but 100% sure they understood that i was a foreigner... So probably they have increased the price a little bit for this reason?Wow, that sucks. I've never been charged more than 4K/hr, and I definitely speak Russian "s aktsentom". Sounds like the girl took advantage of you.
On the other hand, I usually tip 500R/hr if the service rocks (and it often does there).
I will be staying at the Sheraton Moscow, any suggestions of bars, MP's, etc will be appreciated. I did some research, the hotel is girl freindly, information was old, is this still the case?
Paying in advance is one of the oldest stripper/escort scams in the book. 95% of the time it doesn't work out well - why else would the girl be asking for the money upfront. ;)
In all my experiences in the FSU I've always paid when the girl was leaving. When I took a girl home from River Palace in Kyiv this winter she actually forgot the money. I had to call after her when she had left the apartment. :) However, I don't think it's too unreasonable for a girl to ask for the money when you get back to your place. Generally not a good sign in the FSU but not unreasonable.
BTW, what's to stop the girl from leaving alone and meeting you later in a nearby cafe or your hotel room? I've done that in other countries where the girl had to pay a fee to leave the bar (also in stripclubs where it was verboten to ever leave with a customer). After being stung a couple times, I will NEVER pay a girl in advance, no matter how hot she is.
Paying in advance is one of the oldest stripper/escort scams in the book. 95% of the time it doesn't work out well - why else would the girl be asking for the money upfront. ;)
In all my experiences in the FSU I've always paid when the girl was leaving. When I took a girl home from River Palace in Kyiv this winter she actually forgot the money. I had to call after her when she had left the apartment. :) However, I don't think it's too unreasonable for a girl to ask for the money when you get back to your place. Generally not a good sign in the FSU but not unreasonable.Paying on exit is the best, of course. But I can understand that these girls want to ensure they actually get paid. Of course everyone on this forum is a total gentleman but no doubt there are deadbeats who fuck the girls, then fuck them twice by not paying in the end.
I never experienced a no-show or disappearing act, but rather a LT= ST conversion, which wouldn't have been aided by paying the girl upon entry.
Of course the BIG exception in this case are the tochki. No other way to play than to pay up front.
Hotel(Izmailovo Gamam/Delta and Alfa )
What for you to recommend the most bad and not friendly Hotel? The Hotel works in communistic style. Worse the Hotel is not present in Moscow.
I know it's still a hotel with different levels of rooms (in comunist style)... but if you book for two and the girl has proper documents there is no problem at all, never got any hassle nor at Alfa nor at Delta/Gamma... most of my pics and sponsored girls are done there... May be later I will post some room pics (are on the laptop).
May be the matter is that the hotel is not friendly for 1-2 hours girls. But I'm not interested in these... I like overnighters and longer time sponsoring... And paper registering (done for free).
Have a long list of girls nailed in one or the other... just some: Valentina, Ludmilla, Iriska, Lena, Sveta and many others... If they do not have proper docs... just go over with 1.000 RUR... but I do it rarely.
Bars, restaurants shops, in and outside are open mostly 24 hour, you get food room service from restaurant 24 hours. In my room usually there is a big three place jacuzzi... internet etc etc... Do really not understand what's the problem... That the fridge usually is empty? There are plenty of shops where buying.
What I get with 150-200 EUR (including huge breakfast for two) is a two room suite (two baths, sleeping room, living room/office, entrance) with king bed, PC, internet copier, fax, fridge etc etc... (in delta in alfa you bring your own PC). I wonder where in the central Moscow I can get such things. Of course If you take the budget rooms they are ugly I know...
Then you just take the metro... Frankly speaking I have no time to travel Moscow on the day by taxi! I thae the metro and maybe the taxi for the last 1-3 km...
IT
Doctor_Skank
08-12-08, 21:19
Paying on exit is the best, of course. But I can understand that these girls want to ensure they actually get paid. Of course everyone on this forum is a total gentleman but no doubt there are deadbeats who fuck the girls, then fuck them twice by not paying in the end.
I never experienced a no-show or disappearing act, but rather a LT= ST conversion, which wouldn't have been aided by paying the girl upon entry.
Of course the BIG exception in this case are the tochki. No other way to play than to pay up front.I'd never pay a girl in the club, but if she really wants to see money before sex once she's back in the apartment she can have it. Some ask, curiously most don't. Haven't found that it makes a difference on performance, but I generally avoid the kind of girls that seem in a rush in the first place. You can gauge that behavior even in the club... usually.
Now it is clear, why your girls such obedient and They do that you wish.Because they are afraid. In hotel it is a lot of militia which checks registration. Girls from other cities or from other states. Living in Moscow constantly feel fear. Because meetings with militia once again are not necessary to them. Will do therefore all as you wish. I think, that the normal woman will not want to meet you, even for money. Only such women. Everyone makes the choice (the Hotel, the woman)
I really wonder if you have ever been there... ah ah There is no militia in alfa at all and they just go through in winter in Gamma Delta... never seen them stopping anybody in the hotel...
IT
I will be staying at the Sheraton Moscow, any suggestions of bars, MP's, etc will be appreciated. I did some research, the hotel is girl freindly, information was old, is this still the case?
The Sheraton in Moscow is about as "friendly" as it gets. It's been a few months but last time I went for drinks in the lobby bar, the place was crawling with working girls. Having said that, I have no idea how the management feels about bringing in your own girl. Being an American style hotel I would imagine that they would not object.
As far as other bars, clubs, etc - plenty of info on this site. Just dig a little.
Doctor_Skank
08-13-08, 16:02
The Sheraton in Moscow is about as "friendly" as it gets. It's been a few months but last time I went for drinks in the lobby bar, the place was crawling with working girls. Having said that, I have no idea how the management feels about bringing in your own girl. Being an American style hotel I would imagine that they would not object.
As far as other bars, clubs, etc - plenty of info on this site. Just dig a little.They're girl-friendly for regular gfs as well or girls from other clubs.
Some of the lobby girls looked quite ok, no current idea on prices but imagine starting $300-500 but will settle for $200 if there is "love" in the air.
I noticed last time I took a girl from Boarhouse that the girl requested me 1000r. She payed that to somebody in the corner of the bar. I saw more girls doing this as they left with the customers.
Is this normal practice. In thailand you pay barfine for the girls in the gogo bars. But this is a normal bar. Do the girls try to rip you off an extra 1000r. My friend took a girl back to his hotel but she kept complaining that she wanted more money even before reaching the hotel. He then sent her back but lost of course his 1000r.
To me 1000r is quite a lot for this (about 30 euro). I can get a nice Russian girl in Germany already for this price. Just the barfine of 1000r, what''s going on here.
Tiffany
I was there in April and had "take out" twice from hot dogs and both times there was no Bar Fine per se. In the past when it was Boarhouse I specifically remember girls asking for 1,000 Rubles to pay the exit. Perhaps they have re-instituted the practice?
Stravinsky
08-13-08, 16:15
OK, inquiring minds want to know... what's the point of driving a car that can travel at 300 KpH, when the world before you is a sea of brake lights??
The surface transit in Moscow is slowly grinding to a halt. The traffic has become so bad that no one can predict at what time they will be anywhere. Fridays are no-drive days, simply because it's impossible to move. Everyone is on their way out of town to the dacha.
New Russian vocabulary word: probkah (traffic jam)
I wanted to see what a night club would be like outside of the city center, so I thought I'd give Strekozah (dragonfly) a try. It's a strip club on ulitsa Grina, near Dmitri Donskovo, the last stop on the Grey line. It's actually just beyond MKAD. Took me 45 minutes to get there, and that was on the metro. When you get off, take the u. Grina exit and head south, towards the McDonalds (yes, they even have a McDonalds out here).
When I arrived at Grina, I couldn't see any obvious signs of activity, but I did spy a taxi, so I walked over to ask directions. The taxist didn't recognize the name of the club off hand, but he made an open ended offer to help me find it for 100r. So, we are definately not in Kansas anymore. On Tverskaya, it costs a 100r just to get into the taxi.
We drove down to one end of the street and then back down to the other, looking for No. 3, but no luck. Then the taxist started asking directions of the locals and it turns out the club is right back where we started. I think the taxist was very embarrassed by this and he refused to take the 100r I offered. So I had to compel the taxist to take my money. That was definately a first!
The reason I couldn't see the club right away is because it's in the basement of a larger complex of buildings and the sign is behind a bunch of trees. Once inside, it's 500r entry and then down the stairs and through a bunch of curtains into the club. It's not a big place, but plenty of room to be comfortable. There's a stage in the center and there are couches that run around the walls of the club with coffee tables at regular intervals. Some of the tables are masked by curtains on either side to create a private booth, and the rest are open. It reminds me of Mister XXX a little bit, except Strekozah is smaller. The color scheme is even red and black.
It's about midnight, and the place is busy but not crowded. The ofitsanka (waitress) greets me immediately and ushers me into one of the private booths. I order a drink (50ml of Jack Daniels is 300r) and some zakuski and settle back to enjoy the show. There are 6 or 7 dancers who rotate every 3 songs. When they are done, they wade out into the audience and offer lap dances at the tables for 100r tips. This is basically an audition for the 1000r privat tanyets. After a couple of rotations, it becomes clear that the level of talent here is pretty good, much better than I had expected. In fact, it's excellent. There are a couple of real stunners. What are they doing way out here?
The dancers are strictly topless, but I like the 100r lap dance regime, I could do this all night. Each girl has her own style. Some will stay at your table longer and some are more particular about where you can touch them. It takes me a couple rotations to figure out that Masha and Olga are the least protive (against). They are pretty comfortable with where ever your hands might wander.
Having picked out 2 good prospects, the next thing to do is try the privat tanyets. Private dances are done behind closed curtains and the dancers are completely nude. Masha and Olga don't seem to have any problem with where I touch them, as long as my fingers are on their body and not in it (hey, you can't blame a fella for trying).
So, the lap dances and the private dances have been a lot of fun, but, they leave me strangely unsatisified. If I'm reading this Crazy Menu correctly, it looks like they want 6000r to rent one of the VIP kabinyets for 1 hr. and another 10,000r to excuse one of the girls for an hour, to meet me in the kabinyet. That's a little too expensive for me, although, I have to admit, those dancers bodies are mighty fine.
I settle up my tab with the ofitsanka and head back out to the street. It's about 02:30 and my taxi is waiting for me. Not the 1st one I met coming in, but another one is there, waiting for a fare. I tell him I'm going back to tsentrom gorodye (city center) and he pauses for a moment and asks what I'm offering. I say 600, he says 800, which sounds OK by me, since he's holding all the cards. It's a long way back home.
Doctor_Skank
08-13-08, 17:36
I was there in April and had "take out" twice from hot dogs and both times there was no Bar Fine per se. In the past when it was Boarhouse I specifically remember girls asking for 1,000 Rubles to pay the exit. Perhaps they have re-instituted the practice?It's much simpler... security is THEIR problem not yours. Tell them to worry about it, their pussy is expensive enough.
BTW, great report Strav!
I was there in April and had "take out" twice from hot dogs and both times there was no Bar Fine per se. In the past when it was Boarhouse I specifically remember girls asking for 1,000 Rubles to pay the exit. Perhaps they have re-instituted the practice?Was at HotDog last night with a couple friends. We arrive LATE after dinner and drinks at a couple of clubs. I mean well past 3am. The place isn't exactly jumpin' but there are at least 40 guys and 40 girls there, with a handful on the dance floor, most of the action towards the bathrooms and the pool table. The male population seems, um, "darker" than usual, and one of the girls there confirmed my hunch. Side note: one of the hilarious things about Russian is that they consider Caucasians (literally, people from the Caucasus mountains) to be "chyornie" (which means "black" in English). This includes all those guys you see on the news recently (Georgians, Ossetians, Abkhazis) as well as Armenians, Azeris, Chechens, Dagestanis, Turkmen, well, you get the idea. Anyway, for whatever reason there were a disproportionate number of those guys there last night. And since your average Slavic Russian girl is usually a more than a little prejudiced against them, it meant that the odds were definitely in our favor.
Unfortunately, the talent pool at that hour on a Tuesday is pretty dismal. The hot/doable/pass split probably 5/25/70. We get some drive-bys, but nothing of interest. One Asian-looking girl comes up to our table and sits down without saying a word. She's a 5, even after 10 beers (meaning, probably closer to a 4 or 3). Nevertheless, I'm a decent guy, more than a little buzzed, and nothing better to do, so figure I'll talk with her: Me: "Privet" (hey) Her: "Kheeloh" Me: "Otkuda ty? " (where are you from? ) Her: <glare Me: "Ty ne govorish po-russky? " (you don't speak Russian? ) Her: <glare Me: "You don't speak Russian? " Her: "Ty govorish po-russky poetomu ya ushla! " (you speak Russian, so I'm outta here! ) And she storms off. Nothing like a little early morning drama to sober you up.
Anyway, my buddy rounds up the 3 best girls he could find and brings them back to our table. Sveta is a tall 26-year-old from Minsk with slightly fucked teeth, a Roman nose but nice brown eyes (she's part gypsy), sandy brown hair and a nice, fit body. Since she speaks little/no English, she sits with me which was fine since she's my favorite of the bunch. Her friend Vika is a short brunette with a cherubic face, big tits and a bit of a paunch, probably around the same age, and speaks decent English, so she sits with my visiting friend who speaks little/no Russian. And the third girl (forgot her name) is a blonde who I would have rated a 4 or lower, but my friend (the one who rounded the girls up) is waaay into her for whatever reason. We proceed to drink a lot more and talk with the girls. At some point, we figure we should get going, and invite the girls to come with us to our buddy's pad where we can continue the party. Without any negotiating, we get into a couple taxis and head out (with a brief detour to the apteka for some condoms and Vitamin C).
Once we get there, we keep drinking and getting even more wasted. The girls then start "schooling" us that they're WGs (duh) and they want to know how much we'll pay for the night. In my drunken state, I agreed to pay them 10K each. Thinking back, I must have been really fucked up to agree to so much, especially since it was almost morning by then.
Anyway, we move into our respective rooms and I start kissing Sveta. She wants me to take a shower before we even kiss. I'm asking her what difference it makes, then she says that we need to, and then starts getting bossy with me, demanding the money now. I told her that she can leave if that's the attitude she'll take, and that I'm paying a lot of money for good service, not to hear some lecture. I toss her out of the room, and a minute later one of my friends comes in and tells me that she's trying to get all the girls to leave with her. Not wanting to screw up their time, I apologize to her, bring her back in and pay her. Now she's much nicer and more accommodating, so I may have done the right thing to "break" her. In bed, I got to fully inspect her hot, 175cm body (astonishingly, she has a 4 year old kid, but a totally flat stomach and not a single stretch mark anywhere on her body). In general though, the service was so-so: CBJ, DATY, FS, but great DFK. After an hour, she claims to have "finished" twice, and wants a break. Shortly after, she then starts the high-pressure "you need to finish now! " routine (does that EVER work? ) and after another 30 minutes, I've had enough of her whining. So, while she's taking a smoke break, I ask her if there is a bar fine at HotDog. She said that girls pay 1500R cover to get in, but nothing to leave. So I'm guessing that the girls that pay on the way out are essentially get the cover "loaned" to them, and they're paying with a portion of their advance on exit.
At 7:30am, the morning light is painfully bright and we proceed onto the street to stagger home and get a couple hours of sleep before we need to start the workday. Ah. Moscow.
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Haha! That's the first time I've seen a strip club with a summer terrace! Can you get lapdances on the picnic tables too? :)
Seriously good report, Strav! Keep em coming!
Doctor_Skank
08-13-08, 21:16
Once we get there, we keep drinking and getting even more wasted. The girls then start "schooling" us that they're WGs (duh) and they want to know how much we'll pay for the night. In my drunken state, I agreed to pay them 10K each. Thinking back, I must have been really fucked up to agree to so much, especially since it was almost morning by then.
Great story from the front, but if you don't mind my saying, ball was in your court if they were at your pad. You could have likely gotten away paying a LOT less, especially considering the un-hotness of at least two out of the three.
But I'm armchair mongering here, was your call.
I ask her if there is a bar fine at HotDog. She said that girls pay 1500R cover to get in, but nothing to leave. So I'm guessing that the girls that pay on the way out are essentially get the cover "loaned" to them, and they're paying with a portion of their advance on exit.
Good work Pizdyets!
You cracked the mystery. I wondered what the deal was. Thinking back, both girls last April were from out of town (Gorky and Tula) and probably not "sly" enough to play that game. Hmmmm...... might explain why they were so enthusiastic.
BTW - Always remember Jake's Trifecta - divorced, single mom, from out of town. Best combo for maximum performance at a reasonable price. The only problem is that sometimes it takes a week to get rid of them......
Stravinsky
08-13-08, 21:46
Pizdyets,
Ah, Moscow! Russia's favorite daughter. Where is your equal to be found? Dmitriev, from Onegin. What would really be interesting... would be to hear about how you made it through the following day. ;)
Her: "Ty govorish po-russky poetomu ya ushla! " (you speak Russian, so I'm outta here! ) And she storms off.Ochyn intyeresno. She's not interested in a man who speaks Russian. I imagine because she knows that she won't be able to manipulate you as easily as a foreign tourist who doesn't speak the lingo.
Passepartout
08-13-08, 22:04
Nice reports on this page!! Well done guys!
Helena Moscow
08-14-08, 00:07
They're girl-friendly for regular gfs as well or girls from other clubs.
Some of the lobby girls looked quite ok, no current idea on prices but imagine starting $300-500 but will settle for $200 if there is "love" in the air.
In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.
I really wonder if you have ever been there... ah ah There is no militia in alfa at all and they just go through in winter in Gamma Delta... never seen them stopping anybody in the hotel...
IT
IT, Victoria is right. I also don't understand why you still mislead the others promoting this place full of problems. May be they hired you...
Guys, Izmailovo and Crown Plaza (Mezdunarodnaya) are the most difficult places in Moscow for inviting guests. If possible, better avoid them. If you still deside to stay there, remember that you should take girls with you earlier than 20.00-21.00 and pay for them as for additional persons in the room. Sometimes you will be unable to fix the problem at all, depends on a shift. And forget about discretion, because you'll have to move with a girl everywhere - when she is in, when she is out, ect. And each time you appear together, a lot of security's attention is guaranteed.
Great story from the front, but if you don't mind my saying, ball was in your court if they were at your pad. You could have likely gotten away paying a LOT less, especially considering the un-hotness of at least two out of the three.
But I'm armchair mongering here, was your call.20/20 hindsight, Doc. 20/20 hindsight.
Seriously, I'd had like 5L of pivo and a half dozen shots of tequila by that point, so I was doing good just to manage a woody with my 20 mg of Vitamin C.
In general, I monger the most when I'm wasted, but with the worst results. Eto ironiya sud'by. :)
Ah, Moscow! Russia's favorite daughter. Where is your equal to be found? Dmitriev, from Onegin. What would really be interesting... would be to hear about how you made it through the following day. ;) Ochyn intyeresno. She's not interested in a man who speaks Russian. I imagine because she knows that she won't be able to manipulate you as easily as a foreign tourist who doesn't speak the lingo.I had an hour of sleep, then worked for the next 14 hours. No mercy for the wicked.
As for the strange girl, she was actually staring me down for the rest of the evening. I don't think they get a lot of foreigners who speak Russian there, honestly.
Another interesting thing I got from Sveta was the WG's perspective on our favorite Moscow whoring venues:
NF - cheaper (!) than HotDog, richer clientele, but stricter face-control, and has recently been swamped with Novie Russkie
HotDog - high cover, lots of traffic, easy to pick up customers, but recently swamped with chyornie
Metelitsa and Golden Palace - wealthy clientele, but swamped with "solidnie" types (you know who I'm talking about)
Also of note. She said that all WGs in NF must give their passports to be scanned by the management. So, boyz, if you're ever ripped off by a NF girl, go and talk to them. They should at least be able to identify her. But good luck in motivating the Moskovskaya militsia in doing anything other than extracting bribes from pedestrians and motorists.
Had another weird night tonight. My buddy texts me around midnight to tell me that he's out with 2 total hotties and needs a wingman. Now understand, I'm not one to turn down such random acts of kindness, but guys, I'd only had an hour of sleep (see my previous HotDog report) and was still finishing up my work for the night. After some coffee and a shower, I was ready to go and only needed to know where. He handed the phone to his driver and I got the address: Olympic Stadium. What sort of club or bar, I was wondering, would be in the Olympic Stadium? So I grabbed a gypsy cab and headed to Olympisky Prospect in search of my friend and his two dyevushki. I hook up with his driver in the parking lot, and he directs me to a door of a club called "Ko Ko" (at least that's what's above the door). Inside, it's clearly a strip club and has "Show Girls" plastered everywhere. I wonder if I have the right place, as it looks like a cross between Hot Dog, a strip club and a sports bar. So, I pay the 1000R cover and immediately see my friend and his "hotties". One is truly quite good looking (a brunette), but her blonde friend doesn't do it for me at all. Anyway, it's clear that neither of these girls is interested in me either (I barely got a "hello"), so I direct my attention to the talent within the club. Roughly 40 girls of all shape, color and size. And I counted at least 5 girls that were truly stunning, with the majority squarely in the "hot" category. The format is Deja Vu style, with more of a burlesque element (theatrical and musical shows punctuate the stripteases on stage). Like Deja Vu, there are no lapdances, and you must got to a curtained area on the sides or back to have a 1500R private dance (for which they often were having 2-for-1 promotions). That was still too rich for my cheap ass, so I just jacked off in situ (kidding). If I had been in a strip club mood, it would have been much better, but this just wasn't the night for me. Didn't see any "crazy menu", but as with anywhere in Moscow, FS is usually just a matter of negotiating.
In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.I'm with Helena on this one, unless you're talking about ST (which is typically a lobby girl's MO anyway) or a follow-up date. My info for LT in a good hotel is that they start at $400, and move quickly up from there. Of course there are so many variables (particular hotel, season, time of night, day of week, level of attraction, sugar daddy potential), that the standard deviation is probably pretty damn high. Who's signing up for the chi-square analysis? :P
AColonizer
08-14-08, 13:55
Hi,
I would like to receive some updated replies about these important questions, I am sure they are easy for the master mongers of Moscow thread:
- Hotel vs. flat: is actually a dangerous choice to rent a flat in Moscow????? I mean, for example, in Kiev it is cheap and safe. What is the real difference of a flat rent between Moscow and Kiev?
- Quality of sex: on "moslove" site, I found a lot of girls agreeing deep throat blowjobs and anal sex, I wonder: are they more liar than Ukrainian girls or is that the reality?
I'm with Helena on this one,
Ditto. The girls there are about volume and high utilization rate. I was in Sheraton about a year ago with a friend who was staying there. I inquired about pricing and the first thing she asked was whether I was a guest at the Sheraton or not. I told her I was not and that I had an apartment near Pushkinskaya. She told me $800 and I thought she was joking and tried to negotiate but she would not budge.
It was only about 10:00 PM and since I was not prepared to pay $800 we decided to stay put and track the comings and going of Miss Hottie. When we left the bar at 2:00 AM, we had watched her leave and come back three times with three different guys for an average of about 40 minutes a shift. Of course, she made a point of waving at us each time she returned to the bar and then ignored us. Sort of a "screw you" gesture I think. While I did not follow her to any rooms, logic would suggest that she turned at least three tricks with hotel guests in a four hour period. At $300 - $400 a pop, that made for a petty respectable night I would say.
Doctor_Skank
08-14-08, 16:12
I'm with Helena on this one, unless you're talking about ST (which is typically a lobby girl's MO anyway) or a follow-up date. My info for LT in a good hotel is that they start at $400, and move quickly up from there. Of course there are so many variables (particular hotel, season, time of night, day of week, level of attraction, sugar daddy potential), that the standard deviation is probably pretty damn high. Who's signing up for the chi-square analysis? :P
I told her I was not and that I had an apartment near Pushkinskaya. She told me $800 and I thought she was joking and tried to negotiate but she would not budge.
In theory I am ALSO with Helena on this, but I have no reason to exaggerate to give anyone false hope. That's just the way it went down. I've got even stranger stories I may post someday. My point being, it doesn't hurt to ask with a smile.
In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.
Helena, about 2 years ago I offered a girl $150 and she accepted. We'd seen each other the day before there as well, but didn't leave just chatted. Dropping off the same friend the next day as I wasn't staying at the hotel, we spoke just briefly agreed on price and left together.
And by "love is in the air" I am being sarcastic, i.e. it means she was getting nothing else that night and had nowhere else to go, so she took what was offered. I didn't even have to bargain that hard, it was my first offer. I know very well it didn't have anything to do with "love" or my blue eyes.
Like I posted, I am sure they are ASKING $300-500. It doesn't hurt to try, I'm sure they get it sometimes... maybe even often and by now probably even more.
Doesn't hurt for us to try and get a more appropriate price either. Accept the fact that for a lot of people sex with prostitutes is not worth what the lobby girl/escort market is asking right now. I know you are selling yourself for as much as you can get and I fully understand that, but don't feel insulted when some of us aren't interested.
By the way, it's not just us. Many of my Russian friends, most of them "direktors" 35-45 years old are also not going to prostitutes anymore. They earn good money, but can't justify paying so much for simple pussy. They'd rather buy some new shoes or use the money as a down payment on a weekend holiday to Sochi.
On a side note for reference, I was quoted $500 at Peter 1 a couple weeks back... was really funny too, because the girl was a "5" at best. When dropping people off at hotels I often ask the WGs how much just to hear what they say and the usual prices are $300-500. Nobody has yet had the nerve to ask for $800, but then again I've never asked anybody at the Ritz yet... ))
You probably won't tell us Helena, but what was the MOST anybody ever gave you and what were the circumstances? One girl in St.Pete told me a guy regularly gave her something like $1000 just to chat. She thought that would somehow impress me or make me pay more. I just felt sorry for the guy. She was a horrible conversationalist. ))
When we left the bar at 2:00 AM, we had watched her leave and come back three times with three different guys for an average of about 40 minutes a shift. Of course, she made a point of waving at us each time she returned to the bar and then ignored us. Sort of a "screw you" gesture I think. While I did not follow her to any rooms, logic would suggest that she turned at least three tricks with hotel guests in a four hour period. At $300 - $400 a pop, that made for a petty respectable night I would say.If she was actually banging these guys and had a 40 minute turn around time, she wasn't even SHOWERING between knob jobs and pokes. Could also be she didn't actually score. I've observed a lot of bar action at hotels and girls often talk a long time to the Russian guests without scoring. They chat and chat, maybe even take a stroll and eventually he leaves alone. These are guests. I think the Russians have a different attitude to the game, they feel no obligation to go with the girl just because they talked with her. Western guys are often different in this sense, accepting the girl's "Time is money, you're wasting mine." attitude.
Starchild2012
08-14-08, 20:00
Pizdyets,
Great enlightining report :)
Passepartout
08-14-08, 22:08
Pyzdiest:
I think that we should have a beer or 2 one day together :-)
After the great firsttime in saloon Charmel, I decided to return there.
I confirm again that the price was 4500 - told on the phone, asked straight by the girl... no doubt that they have increased their prices.
I arrived but girls were not ready so i had to wait 10 minutes in the street with the guy who pick you up... Btw quite a sympathic man.
Then i went in, as usual 10 girls, all great, and guys it starts to frighten me, it could easily becomes a drug hard to resist...
Anyway, my choice went on Nadia...
http://www.charmel.biz/girl_page.phtml?tbl=pict&id=112&gid=7
Quite a weird choice as she was probably one of the less attractive women, but I wanted big breast and she had, and I don't know, she got something in her face that looked like a promise.
She is quite like on the pictures, with some more kilos, but also with some bigger boobs.
I paid my 4500, then the shower, then we lied on the bed, and then I have received one of the best blow job i had in moscow in one year, maybe even the best one. I specially like how she put slightly her boobs on your nuts, while taking the entire bone in her mouth... just amazing....
Then fuck was good.
All in all, a nice session, and I have decided to test all the girls of this saloon before the end of the year.
Defenetly a must.
Helena Moscow
08-14-08, 23:01
Helena, about 2 years ago I offered a girl $150 and she accepted.Skank, 2 years ago was 2 years ago. It's 2008 now. Cost of living changed. But even 2 years ago girls payed for the possibility to work in a hotel, they payed for drinks in the bar and restaurant food when get hungry. Plus transport. No discounts for girls. To arrange a working day in a hotel is about 70-100$ per day. Just for a chance to make some money. Count yourself how much the girl should charge to cover the risk and get profit. A hint: clients are not guaranteed. There are empty days, too. And in these days expences remain.
You probably won't tell us Helena, but what was the MOST anybody ever gave you and what were the circumstances? One girl in St.Pete told me a guy regularly gave her something like $1000 just to chat. She thought that would somehow impress me or make me pay more.The biggest amount for the evening was 5000$. In 1995. No special conditions. The guy was a prince. I know a girl in NF who after one night got an apartment from a chineese guy. In 1993. Not a regular thing, but possible. I believe that someone gives to St.Pete's girl 1000$ for a chart. Especially if the guy is Russian. But "regularly" can be once a month, or once in half a year, or once a year.
Doctor_Skank
08-14-08, 23:18
Skank, 2 years ago was 2 years ago. It's 2008 now. Cost of living changed. But even 2 years ago girls payed for the possibility to work in a hotel, they payed for drinks in the bar and food when get hungry. Plus transport. No discounts for girls. Calculate yourself how much it would become. I don't want to argue if you had this girl for this rate or not. Probably she went with you for 150 our of charity, or may be you hypnotised her with your charms about which you write all the time, or she was probably desperate... This is an exeption, not a regular thing. I don't understand why you should give others false expectations. For this rate guys will hardly find someone even in tochka. And later they will come on this forum and write that Moscow girls became crazy bitches and tried to cheat them. Your stories are interesting, but they are fairytales. Din't mean to offend you...You haven't offended me Helena and I certainly don't write fairy tales. I never said that it was in anyway normal and certainly said that normal price was at least $300.
Nobody expects charity in Moscow or anywhere else for that matter, but I still don't mind if I relate stories to the forum of things that actually happened.
And no, I didn't do any hypnotizing. Maybe she was just bored or frustrated. Maybe she was desperate for cash and had to cut her losses. Who knows.
In Germany I have met FKK girls outside of the club and screwed them for free. One of them even asked the manager if we could use the facilities for our own games after hours and she let us. Romped from 2-6am with a pro, no cash involved. Even filmed it on video.
Met the manager of a bar in St.Petersburg about three weeks ago and drank for free two nights straight, taking home very cute 21 year olds on both nights for free. They've never asked for anything except that I come back really soon. We only talked about life, art, Kundera and photography. For some reason that seems to turn girls on.
Maybe nobody wants to believe that either, but that's not my problem. It happened.
Life has less rules than you think.
I know a girl in NF who after one night got an apartment from a chineese guy. In 1993. Not a regular thing, but possible.With today's prices, I'd fuck a Chinese guy for an apartment in Moscow. But it would have to be Chisty Prudi. ))
By the way, apartment construction down 58% in first 2 quarters of 2008. Real estate may level out soon.
Life has less rules than you think.
Not to insult you Skank, but I don't want you giving Helena any bad habits about the use of the English language. Therefore, at the risk of patronizing you, I would like to share a lesson I learned in high school English class.
There are two words that can often mean the same thing but are often used incorrectly. They are "less" and "fewer".
When you are referring to something that cannot be easily measured, like grains of sand on the beach, the number of stars in the sky, or the amount of bullshit being written on this site, it is considered proper to use the word "less". For example, "Dr. Skank writes less bullshit on ISG than Jake993".
However, when you refer to something that can easily be counted like the number of beers you had last night, the number of orgasms she had this evening, or the number of girls you slept with last year, it is considered appropriate to use the word "fewer". For example, "Life has fewer rules than you think".
Mind you, in your case I suppose that when referring to the number of girls you slept with last year, it might well be appropriate to use the word "less".
Sorry for busting your chops....
Pyzdiest [sic],
I think that we should have a beer or 2 one day together :-)
Sure, go ahead and PM me. I'm still weighing my options for tonight (Friday).
After the great firsttime in saloon Charmel, I decided to return there.
Not to patronize, but I was like you about 2 years ago - a wide-eyed kid in the candy store. But similar to my ennui of strip clubs, salons lost their glamour and novelty after a few visits. Not that I don't still visit occasionally (esp after a long night of drinking and/or striking out), but it just doesn't have the same level of anticipation and mystery.
I confirm again that the price was 4500 - told on the phone, asked straight by the girl... no doubt that they have increased their prices.
Strange that Fantasy's and Charmel would have different pay scales. And the fact that they're advertising on several websites as still having 4000R/hr. Warrants some research. :)
Anyway, my choice went on Nadia...
Nadia was my first choice on the internet as well, but for some reason she just doesn't strike a chord in real life. That said, one of my colleagues tapped her exclusively on every visit and claimed she was the best. Glad you had a similar experience!
The biggest amount for the evening was 5000$. In 1995. No special conditions. The guy was a prince.
Doc, you're asking Helena for the maximum she made in an evening, whereas I'd be asking how little (ie how few dollars, Jake) she demanded for an evening's services recently. Now that's something she wouldn't want to admit to, especially on this forum. :)
No one's prince,
Pizdyets
Jake
Smoothly put………..
Doc
Enough with the 3 years foreplay between you and Helena.
Shell out a few rubles and enjoy one of the few RU Devs you have not yet tasted. Or not:
300 Euros is simply too much for any pussy in a country full of national treasures. Then again you know that already. That’s why you have enjoyed so many Devs for free or in a reasonable price range.
Helena
Welcome to the world of capitalism combined with commission sales.
Most mongers may not have much sympathy for your plight as Moscow has one of the best economies in the world at the moment.
Shame that your marketing costs exceed your comfort level. It’s a harsh reality for all of us when daily costs interfere with monthly gross profits.
Between your life experience, connections made, command of the English language and your intelligence combined with the future of Russia there are quite a range of possibilities aside from the working life open to you. IMHO
Might be time to make better use of your skills.
Attempting to convince us that an evening with any female is worth a $5,000 or an apartment is a joke. AKA propaganda………….
Please stay out of the comedy business.
Guido88
Member #2096
08-15-08, 07:27
Well after reading all the reports I decided to focus on free girls. There are lots of free girls to have; join the internet, chat in bars.
If you want good sex with a Russian girl, take a plane to Germany. In the FKK clubs you can have sex with all the girls for a fixed rate of 100 euro, including food and drinks. I would rather save my money on Russian pros in Moscow and fly to Germany once or twice a month.
The prices Helena mentioned are payed by some people who do not care about money at all. But even most rich guys do not overpay (one of the reasons they got rich) and last time I was in boarhouse there were enough girls willing to go for 200$. Of course they may ask more but in the weekdays and late at night most of them do not get a customer at all and are happy to go for 200$.
Do not overpay and spoil the market.
It is not different than any other business. If there is a lot of offer the prices go down. If nobody wants to pay this rediculous prices the price has to go down.
The reports on the carmel clubs sound like fair business to me. These girls are much better looking than the average hotdog or lobby girl and they are even cheaper. And if their service sucks you can always complain to the manager. Less change of scam here.
Tiffany
In Sheraton? 200$? For "love in the air"? =))) Good fantasy. Some guys can believe.
IT, Victoria is right. I also don't understand why you still mislead the others promoting this place full of problems. May be they hired you...
Guys, Izmailovo and Crown Plaza (Mezdunarodnaya) are the most difficult places in Moscow.
It is probably on ground on a different view...
A) I have the copy of the girls passport home (because they are always the same)... The room is already booked for two so I pay no addition.
B) They get a room card as all guest because they are normally registered in a double room with their documents (proper ones).
C) Beeing an hotel guest she goes and does exactly what I do...
Very simple ;) Any one who thinks I'm hired by the hotel is a little strange.
A same standard room (of course not really "same standard" but it works for me) goes in the city for 7-900 USD or more. For what shall I pay this... just for living in the Sheraton or at the Hayatt (where it goes for 1.200?).
I have never had problems alaso with normal gests during the day I take up for meetings, male or female makes no difference, they just register the ID when they get in and when they get out as it was in any Russian hotel.
The problem is simply that you get girls with unproper or no documents. By the way if you booked for one and you want to register for two you just have to go to the Recepion (not the security) at any time. If you just want the girl up register at the security before 23.00 at 23.30 they will knock at your door and tell you she has to go, or... just bribe 1000 RUR.
The thing is done for YOUR safety... nobody will steal anyting here because all is registered! That is the matter, perhaps something is a little bit fancy but I do not care of that.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471670&postcount=912
Images from June 2006 of the classic working suite at Izmailovo Gamma /Delta the ones at Alfa in some aspect are better in some worse (Wi Fi not cable) better sofa and better minibar, no fax... But they have a good business centre (better than the Delta one).
IT
I just want to point out this.
I’m a self employed and may be Helena and Victoria do not look at money (for sure they look at the one they get)… so I have done a little search…
I book via a well known agency organizing my trips (hotel, train, cars, etc. since more than 10 years) so I get an invoice, and just pay within EU with a bank draft and get the regular paid invoice in Moscow. Last time for six nights in Alfa with the suites on the 28th floor, two transfers from DME, four transfers in the city (already planned with hired cars with drivers, usually I use the Metro otherwise) I paid 1370 € (visa application if needed is free of charge and if you want done for more days). Booked for two breakfast included, all transfer, registration and taxes. Internet, PC, photocopier, fax etc is all included. You have to pay only for non Moscow calls which I do from my Russian mobile.
Same situation working suite will be.. (on the cheap expedia)
Golden Ring: 1930 Euro excl transfer, breakfast, visa
Budapest: 2260, only breakfast included
SAS: 4.400!
Renaissance (normal room only) 2.300
Hyatt (normal room only) 4.000 and you pay even for Internet!
Etc etc… You get cheaper only more in outskirts and not well served by the metro.
I am travelling approx 35 weeks a year (not only in Russia of course!)… and get from the companies the fly tickets (Business) and a fixed amount per day (as it is in use in some companies in my country) for hotel and food, not of course if I take out customers or so… with the price difference, if you are careful, it makes around 50.000 € a year should I scrap them just because Victoria and Helena (too old for me in any case) do not like the hotel I’m living in?
In the last ten years of travel this made me approx. 500.000 € or… I mongered ten years from Ukraine to Brasil, from China to Romania for free… and got left at least 300.000 € eh eh eh
Bye bye and stop polemics on Izmailovo, if you see the report there are some mongers… been there… of course it’s not a five star but I’m not so sophisticated as Helena and Victoria and I do not care! For sure they get a lot more money than me… so!
Bye IT
Helena Moscow
08-15-08, 16:56
Doc, you're asking Helena for the maximum she made in an evening, whereas I'd be asking how little (ie how few dollars, Jake) she demanded for an evening's services recently.
No one's prince,
PizdyetsPizdets, my rates are not a secret. Visit my site and read. They are non-negociable, as I prefer clients who can and want to afford them. If it's not you, fine. The matter of taste.
It is probably on ground on a different view.
A) I have the copy of the girls passport home (because they are always the same)... The room is already booked for two so I pay no addition.
B) They get a room card as all guest because they are normally registered in a double room with their documents (proper ones).
C) Beeing an hotel guest she goes and does exactly what I do.IT, I think you should always add this part of your posting when recommend Izmailovo. Otherwise these recommendatopns really create mess. Most of guys who call from there don't guess to book a room for two and get very much surprised at extra costs later.
Passepartout
08-15-08, 19:06
Pizdets, my rates are not a secret. Visit my site and read. They are non-negociable, as I prefer clients who can and want to afford them. If it's not you, fine. The matter of taste.
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I will report this post to the administrator.
I have already expressed what I think about helena and her messages here:
- this forum is made by mongers for mongers. We shouldn't let someone who proposes her services post outside the "classified ads" threat.
- moreover it is not the first time we Can see Helena posting some quite agressive answers or ideas.
Helena Moscow
08-15-08, 21:38
I will report this post to the administrator.
I have already expressed what I think about helena and her messages here:
- this forum is made by mongers for mongers. We shouldn't let someone who proposes her services post outside the "classified ads" threat.
- moreover it is not the first time we Can see Helena posting some quite agressive answers or ideas.
Don't forget to complain to you mommy, too =))))
Stravinsky
08-15-08, 23:50
i thought i would try club pegas. it's website looked interesting; it's billed as a combination sauna/massage/strip club ( http://club-pegas.ru ). never heard of one of those before. pegas is located at 31 ulitsa bratislavskaya, which is the 2nd to the last stop on the light green/lime metro line, south of the center.
i get to bratislavskaya station about 22:30 and have the good fortune to come up from the metro right onto the main street. i flag down a passing zhiguli (yes, old zhigulis never die, they just move to the suburbs) and i tell him where i'm going. he waves me into the car without even asking what i will pay.
it's a saturday night and bratislavskaya is lit up like a christmas tree. there are shopping centers, casinos, restaurants, night clubs, even a mcdonalds. it almost looks like the arbat, except on a smaller scale. as i travel around town, it occurs to me that, like all major world cities, moscow is not one city. there are dozens of cities in moscow, each neighborhood has a life of its own and is completely self-contained, with its own character.
dom 31 is located at the very end of the street, almost to the river. we pull into the parking lot and drive around the building, looking for some kind of sign, but nothing to be found. my driver stops and asks several people if they know where is club pegas, but no one has heard of it. so, this doesn't look good. i call the club and the woman confirms that we are in the right place. she tells me to look for the arka (arch) and then i have to go cherez arkoo (through the arch). looks like i will have to find this place pyeshkom (on foot), so i thank my driver and give him 100r, which he seems to be happy with and i set out to find the arka.
there are a lot of arkas in this town. it seems that i always have to go "cherez arkoo" when i'm hunting down dyevooshki. i finally find it, in the middle of the building. it was hidden in the dark, which is why we didn't see it before. so, i walk through the arka and on the other side i find... more darkness, nothing. i call pegas again to find out what's going on and the woman tells me that they are in the podvahl (basement). sure enough, there is a door attached to the side of the building, under the arka,
that leads to the basement.
at the bottom of the stairs, i am greeted by a young woman, maybe mid 20's, who is the administrator. she welcomes me in and asks me to follow her down the hall. this place is big, and strangely quiet, for a strip club. she ushers me into a big room and offers me a seat at one of the divans. looking around, i can see that there is a sauna built into one corner, and a big jacuzzi in the center of the room. the room has been tiled with white marble and looks like a turkish bath.
the administrator begins to rattle off my options. i can have 2 girls for 1.5 hours, the use of the sauna and jacuzzi, klassicheski massage and eroticheski massage, but no sex. so, i'm thinking this sounds like a good uption, until she tells me it's 7,500r. which is probably why no one is using the sauna on a saturday night. i guess they never heard about market pricing. i ask her what else is available and she offers 1 girl, for 1.5 hours, klassicheski and eroticheski massage, for 2250r. this sounds more like it.
but, i'm still curious about the strip club. the administrator tells me that the strip club "nye rabotaiyet" (it's not working). this happens a lot in russia, things nye rabotaiyet. no one can ever seem to explain why, they just don't. it's a russian thing. people start out with the best of intentions, but ultimately, it all falls apart and all you have is "nye rabotaiyet". i pay her and she leaves to fetch the dyeffki.
she returns with an even dozen girls, who line up and introduce themselves. i have to admit the selection is impressive. there are short ones, tall ones, blondes and brunettes and all definately do-able, if that were an option. i end up picking nissa, she's short, with a tight compact figure, almost buff. if nothing else, i should get a good massage. she also has a nice smile, always important.
nissa leads me into one of the massage rooms. there is a foam mattress on the floor, subdued lighting and a boom box for music. the room and the whole club is decorated in a sort of middle eastern motif. we head off to the shower and nissa guards the door while i am inside. they do a good job here of making sure that the customers don't bump into each other.
back to the room. nissa puts on the some music and it's basically the same deal as assorti. hand job to start, hand job to finish with a massage in between. nissa works diligently, both on the erotic and classic massage. she's from sotchi and she lives here with her 5 year old daughter. not married, no family, she had a job working in one of the casinos as a bartender, but couldn't make enough money to support her daughter, so here she is tugging on my knob. so much the better for me. she tells me that she's not too happy with the work, mainly because of the clientele. apparently, this neighborhood is mainly georgian and avkazian, so that's who her customers are. never met an amerikanyetz before.
when the 90 minutes are up, there is a knock at the door, which is interesting since there is no door, just a curtain draped over the entrance to the room. shower, dress, and the adminstrator seems to be genuinely concerned that i had a good time, "vsyo otlichnah" everything was excellent.
back up in the parking lot, i'm wondering how i will find a cab out here, but as luck has it, a taxi pulls into the lot to drop off some people and i approach the driver to tell him that i need to go back to tsentrom gorodye. he asks what i'm offering and i say 600r. he rolls his eyes and gives me a thumbs up, to the sky, as if to say, this is goona cost you. i say 800r, he says tuisach (1000r) and i'm on my way home.
hopefully i won't get an english lesson from jake! :))
Explorer69
08-16-08, 00:03
I will report this post to the administrator.
I have already expressed what I think about helena and her messages here:
- this forum is made by mongers for mongers. We shouldn't let someone who proposes her services post outside the "classified ads" threat.
- moreover it is not the first time we Can see Helena posting some quite agressive answers or ideas.I always enjoy Helena's reports and comments. She is in many ways a very interesting addition and correction to this forum. She adds another dimension! And when I go to Moscow next time I am happy to see her more intimately for the first time.
Hopefully I won't get an English lesson from Jake! :))
Why do I get the feeling that I'm never going live this one down?
Thanks for the travelogue Strav - you are quite the adventurer these days.
Don't forget to complain to you mommy, too =))))
Haha! BTW, Lenichka, to say that correctly po-anglisky, you'd say:
"Don't forget to complain to your mommy either." "Too" is always in the affirmative, "either" in the negative. Though your English seems to be quite good, that nuance is often lost by Russians. Just wanted to beat Jake to the punch. :P
Also, I was in no way offended by your post. We're all in the flesh trade here, whether buyer or seller, and it all comes down to economics. By all means, you should try and charge the very highest you can. You just need to balance volume with gross margin to maximize your profit.
Though your English seems to be quite good, that nuance is often lost by Russians. Just wanted to beat Jake to the punch. :P
OK - you got me.
But you bring up an interesting point. English is so counter intuitive as a second or third language for most people especially in those little nuances. And the only way to get those little nuances is to practice and interact with native English speakers.
At Skank's suggestion I put up an ad on one of the dating sites (looking for free pussy of course) and suggested I would be willing to trade English lessons for sex. Well, not exactly in those words - I was a little more subtle than that. But I got all kinds of responses from girls who had a respectable command of the English language but wanted conversation in order to practice the nuances and colloquialisms. Didn't do much for my Russian skills but it led to one or two sexual encounters.
Russian is such an efficient language when compared to English. I seem to recall a saying about languages;
If you want to confuse someone - say it in English.
If you want to romance someone - say it in French.
If you want to insult someone - say it in German.
But if you want to say something efficiently - say it in Russian.
I'm sure I butchered the saying but you get the idea. English has a lot of rules and breaks them all so a novice in easily confused.
French, well, French is the language of love, n'est-ce pas?
The Germans have this wonderful ability to string together all sorts of obscenities and call it a word. A "motherfucking-son-of-a-Dresden-prostitute-with-a-wart-on-her-nose" is a legitimate word. Not only that, but everything sounds so offensive.
And then there's Russian. It seems to dispense with a lot of the excess baggage of many modern languages. Not that it's easy to learn with it's Cyrillic alphabet and interesting combination of sounds, but you just sort of throw the words out there and people just seem to understand what you are trying to say. Try the same thing in English and people look at you like you are from another planet.
I always enjoy Helena's reports and comments. She is in many ways a very interesting addition and correction to this forum. She adds another dimension!
Me too, couldn't agree more. She's an asset to this forum ;) (or is it "she's an asset for this forum", or "she's an asset in this forum"? :D). Anyway, she's great.
I'm more a St-Pete's guy than a Moscow's guy but, for the few times I was in Moscow, I found some of her comments quite accurate and useful (I say "some", no need to reply and correct me for the times she was exagerating a little).
Keep on the good work, Helena.
Jim
Doctor_Skank
08-16-08, 18:22
Why do I get the feeling that I'm never going live this one down?
You won't. You're on my grammar shit list. You'd better be on your best grammar game. If you even screw up your punctuation I am coming down on you like the fist of an angry grammar god.
)))
Now get back to fucking.
Helena Moscow
08-16-08, 19:08
Haha! BTW, Lenichka, to say that correctly po-anglisky, you'd say:
"Don't forget to complain to your mommy either." "Too" is always in the affirmative, "either" in the negative. Though your English seems to be quite good, that nuance is often lost by Russians. Just wanted to beat Jake to the punch. :P
Also, I was in no way offended by your post. We're all in the flesh trade here, whether buyer or seller, and it all comes down to economics. By all means, you should try and charge the very highest you can. You just need to balance volume with gross margin to maximize your profit.
WOW! 2 lessons in one post ;)) Anyway, thank you for the hint in English. Always glad to improve.
I'll be soon in Moscow for a week and tried to responsor some little pig I did not nail properly anally...
Like Iriska...
But she told me she is married now! :(
Wonder if the guy has seen the pics....
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448069&postcount=870
Ah ah ah ;)
But I managed to get in touch with Piggy no pants (Sveta) ... nice blonde BBW just 23 or so now... one of the best cum swallower even had... so maybe I'll take her for a tour...
IT
I have to quote myself... just chatted via ICQ with the little pig... she has no time for fucking, but in this exceptional case she could come some hours (let's say four or so), but she wants 300 USD for her little pink hole, she says she is still virgin (may be in the ears)... think to the husband ah ah :eek:
IT
Stravinsky
08-20-08, 17:08
I am posting my lichnii kabinyet from intimcity.ru. These are all girls that I selected because they had enthusiastic review(s) from the local guys on sextalk (4+ or better). I cannot recommend any of them personally, because, unfortunately, I never got to meet any of them. That's what comes of mixing too much business with pleasure on my last trip, but, maybe someone else can profit from this.
These are real girls, who really will answer the door when you arrive and some may even answer the phone when you call. If I were in Moscow right now, these are the girls I would call.
Nota bene: The shelf life on these is very short, maybe 3 to 6 months, and some are almost at their sell-by date.
I posted a comprehensive view of Moscow on the internet page of the forum, but it's full of chit chat now so maybe somebody do not see it, so I post a link here.
I think It's very useful. :)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=778997&postcount=139
IT
Stravinsky
08-21-08, 16:25
IT,
I think we all saw your post. I hate to break your bubble, but most of the sites you listed are a waste of time. The main sites for Mosow are; imtimcity.ru and it's sister site rusdosug.nu, and dosug.nu, 95% of the dyeffki advertising themselves are on these sites. The rest aren't worth looking at.
Unless, of course, you are looking for sponsorship opportunities, which is a whole different subject. But most guys don't have enough time in Moscow, or the patience, for that game.
Of course, the ulitmate source of current and accurate info about P4P in Moscow is sextalk.ru, but you gotta speak the lingo to access it.
всего доброго
Of course, the ulitmate source of current and accurate info about P4P in Moscow is sextalk.ru, but you gotta speak the lingo to access it.
Amen to that, Brother Stravinsky. sextalk.ru is the motherlode of all that is whoring in Moscow. I suppose those who aren't govoryashy russky could use an online translator, but I fear that the lexicon used (sexual/slang) would leave them scratching their heads when they get to the good parts. Nevertheless, it's easy to look at the pics and ratings. Heavily recommended.
IT,
I think we all saw your post. I hate to break your bubble, but most of the sites you listed are a waste of time. The main sites for Mosow are; imtimcity.ru and it's sister site rusdosug.nu, and dosug.nu, 95% of the dyeffki advertising themselves are on these sites. The rest aren't worth looking at.
Unless, of course, you are looking for sponsorship opportunities, which is a whole different subject. But most guys don't have enough time in Moscow, or the patience, for that game.
Of course, the ulitmate source of current and accurate info about P4P in Moscow is sextalk.ru, but you gotta speak the lingo to access it.
всего доброго
Thanks I know most are a waste of time, and the big sitesa re at least at 60& replicas and several girls are making 3-6 ads... just wanted to show what was on the net on ground Jackson opened that thread on my request ;) and I got a lot of help from my fellow mongers!!!
IT
By the way now I'm more in sponsoring (I have ehough time) and I wanto to go back also to all small brothel you could find in the 90s... just for a two-three hour relax in the afternoon.. I like girls lineup! :p
Just to throw my hat in the ring when talking about politics, economics and prostitution (the older I get the more I realize they are one in the same), three of my favorite subjects. This is all actually Dr Skanks fault. I knew he had been recently terrorizing Moscow and I came here looking for a report or two from him. I think someone forgot his viagra at home. :P
First off let me preface everything by saying, I think a girl should make whatever she can, without of course scamming anyone.
The economy in Russia and Moscow in particular is such a classic bubble I'm sure economist for years will be studying it after it pops. We can all agree, I think on one thing, the Russian economy is basically a one pony show – petrol. Can the Russian economy survive $30/barrel oil? Methinks not. Now before the Greek chorus starts chanting, Cruiser! Oil will never drop below $100 or $50 barrel every again! The Chinese! The Indians! I’m sure you are the same people who five years ago would say, oil? $150/barrel are you insane? The economy has ran in manufactured cycles for a long time. Some resource, commodity or even an ‘idea’ (the tech bubble of the 90’s) gets manipulated, pushed to the forefront and milked for all it is worth. Then it disappears, the middle class can rest for a while then the next cycle of economic buffoonery hits. Petrol is a fossil fuel, and as that name implies it is very old – the internal combustion engine is nearing the end of it life cycle (like all great inventions) and this latest round of commodity manipulation is starting to dig it’s grave. OPEC who one would think would be doing cartwheels has been nothing but uneasy about this whole situation. When the petrol President is out of office early next year the ‘alternative’ energy boom is going to hit like a shock wave. When faced with situations like this – the embargo of the ‘70’s, the tech development of the early 90’s OPEC response by slashing oil prices to nothing to crush any competition or suffocate any emerging tech. It’s a-coming again. Anyone willing to guess what this will do to the huge bubble of hot air that is the Russian economy? My guess is it will make the ruble crash of 98 look like an all night rave at your favorite Moscow hot spot.
For all of you playing the market and making money off of Cruiser D’s grousings I’ll be sure to leave a numbered offshore account you can make your guilt donations to. ;)
Now, back to the present. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. However I will tone it down to our Russian readers who might get offended. 90% of Moscow (it used to be 95% before the recent oil fueled building boom) is a somewhat less then desirable location (generally I would use a word that starts with a ‘c’ and ends with a ‘hole’. The rest of Russian is even worse. Why anyone in their right mind (yes, yes I understand traveling, married and/or older businessmen don’t have choice) would pay $300/hr for Natalia in Moscow when they can pay $200-$300/hr for Natalia in Paris, Rome, London, NYC, Vegas (please excuse my whitecentricness). And sorry to the Russian working girls who frequent this forum, but saying real men overpay for their prostitutes isn’t going to get much traction here.
I’m sorry to all you readers looking for a ‘yeah, I got drunk and ended up fucking last years Russian Playboy calendar’ story with names, numbers, pictures, video and a blow by blow (pun intended). If you want those reports from me I posted some in the Kyiv forum about 4 years ago. :)
Doctor_Skank
08-24-08, 14:40
The economy in Russia and Moscow in particular is such a classic bubble I'm sure economist for years will be studying it after it pops. We can all agree, I think on one thing, the Russian economy is basically a one pony show – petrol. You have to believe! )
Personally I think the economy is more balanced than you believe, as it isn't only oil but also gas (with stable prices), natural resources such as titanium, aluminium etc. (worldwide consumption with no end in sight), construction on a massive scale, the service industry etc. etc.
I do agree that the economy isn't secure however, something Russians are also aware of. Moreover, the quality of life is still lower than in most parts of Europe and the US, no matter how many sushi bars and fitness clubs open in Moscow. That is all just superficial cosmetics Moreover, if the bubble does burst or even deflate, the average Russian and the growing middle class will suffer again, as they have been taking a lot of loans to pay off those cars, apartments and lifestyles. The rich.. at least the clever ones... are investing their money in other places, such as Europe and the US.
I was in Moscow for 3 nights... all I can say is that girls absolutely love the SwissOtel. )))
Me? I believe in the economy... it pays my bills. But if it does blow, I'll be around to watch the fireworks without getting burned.
Yup, the Russian economy before the petrol boom was metals. Well, that and flipping Soviet industries. :) One advantage Putin does have (oops, he's #2 now, right? :) is if he wanted to build 200 new nuclear power plants they would start ground breaking tomorrow. Of course considering Russia's nuclear track record that really isn't a good idea.
Maybe the air will leak slowly out of the bubble. Doubtful, but we shall see. The upper class is tiny, the middle class is small, then there is the rest of the country. Geez, sounds like Tsarist Russia, doesn't it. :)
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Maybe the air will leak slowly out of the bubble. Doubtful, but we shall see. The upper class is tiny, the middle class is small, then there is the rest of the country. Geez, sounds like Tsarist Russia, doesn't it. :)
I am re-reading a great book on the Russian civil war (1918 - 1921) called "A people's Tragedy" by Orlando Figes. Very readable and breaks the time line leading into the revolution into small digestible events starting about 1891. What is interesting (for me anyhow) is the way he describes the massive class rivalry that existed at the time and how the Bolsheviks were able to capitalize on the tremendous resentment of the landless peasants towards the relatively tiny land owning aristocracy.
It will be interesting to see how the current regime is able to trickle down enough wealth to the masses in the provinces in order to diffuse a possible rise in discontent and (dare I say) resentment towards the power elite?
To paraphrase Churchill, "if you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it".
But I digress - As Dr. Skank points out, the booming Russian economy is not solely being fueled by oil (no pun intended), but at $140 or even $100 a barrel there is plenty of cash flowing into Russia. That cash can be used for all sorts of cool things - just use you imagination. Without getting into specifics, I think Russia with oil at $40 a barrel would look a little different that it does now.
So, it leads me pose two questions. Does Russia benefit from high oil prices? If so, what is she prepared to do to keep them high?
Stravinsky
08-25-08, 19:01
To paraphrase Churchill, "if you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it".I think maybe you are confusing Churchill will Santayana???
I think maybe you are confusing Churchill will Santayana???
At my age, we are easily confused.
I have been confused before and will likely be confused again.
I think maybe you are confusing Churchill will Santayana???
My mistake:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
However, after looking over Churchill's famous quotes, I did find one I liked quite a lot:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill
Any updated infos about tochka ? Prices and so on.
And btw is it possible to take tochka if you are in hotel ? I mean they have they own ID to get into hotel security or the only way is to stay in a flat ?
Any updated infos about tochka ? Prices and so on.
And btw is it possible to take tochka if you are in hotel ? I mean they have they own ID to get into hotel security or the only way is to stay in a flat ?Security in some hotels allow to get tochka`s girls into hotel. But you must pay about 1000 Rub. Maybe more.
Security in some hotels allow to get tochka`s girls into hotel. But you must pay about 1000 Rub. Maybe more.
For example which hotels Rus Love ?
For example which hotels Rus Love ?Izmailovo (Delta, Vega)
Izmailovo (Delta, Vega)Sorry but I was in flat my last time, so... Hotel Izmailovo but Delta and Vega?
P.S. Hotel Ukraina is devuchka friendly?
Hello guys,
I'm really happy come back to Moscow, it's my motherland and love it.
During 3 weeks I was in UK and spend all this time with very beautiful, nice and intelligent female Renata. I hired her at London escort agency.
Firstly, I was thinking that she is Russian or Eastern European, may be similar for me to Russian name, but she is German.
Spending time with such a gorgeous lady is a good experience, it was rather expensive :(But I wonna pay more, if I know that she will be so intelligent, hot and pleasant.)
Thanks, London escorts for such a great GFE experience.
Sorry but I was in flat my last time, so... Hotel Izmailovo but Delta and Vega ?!
P.S. Hotel Ukraina is devuchka friendly ?I was in Delta and payed 1000 Rur.
I think hotel Ukraina is still closed.
Hotel Ukraina is devuchka friendly ?
Hotel Ukraine has been closed for over a year, and given its current look won't be open for some time either.
Any updated infos about tochka ? Prices and so on.
I was at several last month, and they all seemed to have the same priced tiers: 5K, 10K, 15K. Of course their locations always change, so you need to get a taxist who's "in the know". Also, I suspect prices are negotiable depending upon time of day, day of week, inventory levels and so on. It's a suppy and demand world, no matter what's being traded...
I was at several last month, and they all seemed to have the same priced tiers: 5K, 10K, 15K. Of course their locations always change, so you need to get a taxist who's "in the know". Also, I suspect prices are negotiable depending upon time of day, day of week, inventory levels and so on. It's a suppy and demand world, no matter what's being traded...
Thanks and they stay till morning as usually ? 5k rubles are ugly or it is possible to find at this price a '6 too ? Do you negotiate the services with mamasun or how to choose one who will do bbbj+anal ?
No problem to find car who's in the know, the problem is besides izmailovo which other hotel will allow tochka to bedroom ?
Spasibo... ;)
Yeah, Winnie wasn't exactly the sharpest too in the shed. Ask the Aussie boys at Gallipoli. Even in WW2 he couldn't get over the 'soft underbelly of Europe' crap. Winnie rolled over for Uncle Joe because he wanted to feel like he was a player. FDR did it because his mind was marshmellow fluff at the time. (had to add Uncle Joe to make it topical.: )
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill
Thanks and they stay till morning as usually ? 5k rubles are ugly or it is possible to find at this price a '6 too ? Do you negotiate the services with mamasun or how to choose one who will do bbbj+anal ?
No problem to find car who's in the know, the problem is besides izmailovo which other hotel will allow tochka to bedroom ?
Spasibo... ;)
Lukasek,
All of the US hotel chains will allow girls to room. Sheraton, Hilton, Marriott, Raddisson, Holiday Inn, etc. plus Golden Apple (Malya Dmitrovka) and some others I can't think of right now. I think Helena has a list of girl friendly hotels on her web site.
When are you gong to Moscow?
Jake
Lukasek,
All of the US hotel chains will allow girls to room. Sheraton, Hilton, Marriott, Raddisson, Holiday Inn, etc. plus Golden Apple (Malya Dmitrovka) and some others I can't think of right now. I think Helena has a list of girl friendly hotels on her web site.
When are you gong to Moscow?
Jake
Thanks Jake, I will check the list of friendly hotels in Helena's web page and check also the one with the best rates.
It seems I will be in Russia from beginning of october, I simply cannot wait for be back again in the heaven...
Doctor_Skank
08-29-08, 09:15
Thanks Jake, I will check the list of friendly hotels in Helena's web page and check also the one with the best rates.
It seems I will be in Russia from beginning of october, I simply cannot wait for be back again in the heaven...You might want to try "Katerina City". It's girl-friendly and close to the Pavelets train and metro stations, and should be fairly affordable. Be forewarned however that hotel prices are EXTREMELY high in Moscow now. The "cheapest" Western hotels are at least 200 € a night and often much more.
Also, I am not sure if Holiday Inns are girl-friendly, since I believe Helena reported they weren't.
You might want to try "Katerina City". It's girl-friendly and close to the Pavelets train and metro stations, and should be fairly affordable. Be forewarned however that hotel prices are EXTREMELY high in Moscow now. The "cheapest" Western hotels are at least 200 € a night and often much more.
Also, I am not sure if Holiday Inns are girl-friendly, since I believe Helena reported they weren't.
Hi and thanks Doc...
I found the web page of Katerina City, but there is no rates there.
I thought to stay for the first time in hotel in Russia, cause I will be in Moscow only couple of days between my tour of cities outside Moscow, so I thought it doesn't worth to rent a flat for 2-3 days, but with friendly Western hotel at least 200e, I think rent a flat it surely worth it...specially considering flat is always friendly ;)
Any examples of agencies renting fairly affordable flats in Moscow ?
Some pal here has already sponosred these two pigs?
They are a little bit over age for me (both 26) and their names are Marina (the light coloured hair onre) and Inna (the black one)... On ground they do all and seem nice, one speaks also English...
Just asking info for my next trip...
IT
Sorry but I was in flat my last time, so... Hotel Izmailovo but Delta and Vega?
P.S. Hotel Ukraina is devuchka friendly?
they are both girl "friendly" and safe... if you bring one or two upstairs before 23.00 you have to register her docs at the security desk (wich in my opinion is good for you...)
At 23.30 they will knock on your door... the fee is 1.000 RUR per girl... If she has no proper docs or papers just go in and when you are stopped by the security just show openly your room card and discretly a 1.000 RUR note... If she stays only daytime (a quick fuck) may be she has to tip somebody with 300-500 RUR just escort her out and it's all...
The best way for overnighters is that you just book for two and then register her as a guest on ground of strange price policies this will cost you nothing (apart breakfast of course) at Delta Gamma and 10 USD at Alfa.
IT
Some pal here has already sponosred these two pigs?
IT
No, but I think I might like to. And very nice little piggies they appear to be!
Doctor_Skank
08-30-08, 21:09
Some pal here has already sponosred these two pigs?
They are a little bit over age for me (both 26) and their names are Marina (the light coloured hair onre) and Inna (the black one)... On ground they do all and seem nice, one speaks also English...
Just asking info for my next trip...
ITInna's a cutie whereas Marina... she better have a lot of personality.
Helena Moscow
08-30-08, 21:37
Thanks Jake, I will check the list of friendly hotels in Helena's web page and check also the one with the best rates.
It seems I will be in Russia from beginning of october, I simply cannot wait for be back again in the heaven...
Also try Pokrovka, Tatiana, Tiflis and Sretenka. They are girl-friendly and close to the center. I'm just not sure about the rates. Sputnik is now newly-renovated. Not super-luxurious, but neat and more or less quiet.
Also try Pokrovka, Tatiana, Tiflis and Sretenka. They are girl-friendly and close to the center. I'm just not sure about the rates. Sputnik is now newly-renovated. Not super-luxurious, but neat and more or less quiet.
Privetik i spasibo Hely, I will check it for sure... It Travel I sent you pm
Inna's a cutie whereas Marina... she better have a lot of personality.
So... what they do? and what they charge... I'm just delaing with them...
Let me know your experience... if they are pigs enough may be I'll take both to a vacation in Turkey or so...
IT
Doctor_Skank
08-31-08, 10:04
So... what they do? and what they charge... I'm just delaing with them...
Let me know your experience... if they are pigs enough may be I'll take both to a vacation in Turkey or so...
ITDon't know them IT, sorry. Was just being coy. But Inna does look cute for sure.
Passepartout
08-31-08, 19:50
I would like to report a very bad experience I had with www.elit.tv
I went there last week around 23.00, and first of all, it is a little bit in the middle of nowhere.
Very poor choice of girls: only 3, 2 of them fuckable. I took the most smiling one - even if I know that it is not a criteria or a warranty of something.
Her name is veronika if I remember well, and I can't find here on the website.
Her body - a 10 without any doubt.
But things turn bad quickly. She started to ask for a massage...well with such body I was OK to do that, I found the experience quite interestign and I started tp try to warm her up... Instead of that; she felt asleep in 10 minutes!
Then I almost wake up her, she gave me a 30 seconds blow job and then ask for a fuck...So bad... during the fuck she turned her face to watch TV... and I couldn't get hard anymore.
Then, I put out the condom and asked her to give a hand... but then, after 1 minute she put a condom and started to suck.... and felt asleep with my dick inside her mouth after 5 minutes!!!
No need to say that I would never return to that place. Poor choice, far away, bad experience.
... but then, after 1 minute she put a condom and started to suck.... and felt asleep with my dick inside her mouth after 5 minutes!!!...
Too bad Passepartout :) I never experienced thing like that and it looks funny for me now at home reading this, but I know it was pretty sad and bad for you went there to get real fun.
If I was you I told all this to the boss or mamasun, cause they cannot imagine their girls sleep instead of work, maybe the mamasun or boss, could also thank you and give such an half hour with somebody else, cause the only way to know if they have to kick off one girl, is from complaints from customers.
Never be shy to report things like this, it is just the true you are gonna to report.
However thanks to share this with us.
Doctor_Skank
08-31-08, 21:21
Then, I put out the condom and asked her to give a hand... but then, after 1 minute she put a condom and started to suck.... and felt asleep with my dick inside her mouth after 5 minutes!!!
No need to say that I would never return to that place. Poor choice, far away, bad experience.Poor girl... what was it, like her 3rd shift in a row? Or was she on a 3 day cocaine bender?
Poor girl... what was it, like her 3rd shift in a row? Or was she on a 3 day cocaine bender?
Or like that one I got in privat in Prague in maj...she was so tired that at the end of the session I asked her why.... she said I went to disco with friends drinking and dance till the morning....she joked telling me was thinking to pay one hour to her boss so she could sleep...but at least I got quite good sex :)
Helena Moscow
09-01-08, 07:09
http://www.ulanskaya.com/Hotel.Home.php?lang=en
Renovated, quiet. Single from 5450 RUR . For guiests after eleven you should pay officially 1500RUR (as they say on web-site), but on practice it can be 600RUR (have no idea why, may be they count half-day). This includes breakfast. Nice food. In a reataurant during the day also possible to eat. Simple menu, but the cook is really nice. A portion of decent meat for 200RUR ;)) Internet in the room. Location - metro Chistiye Prudi, 2 minutes walking from Lukoil building.
Passepartout
09-01-08, 18:54
Poor girl... what was it, like her 3rd shift in a row? Or was she on a 3 day cocaine bender?
This is what I was wondering... I don't know but even when you are absolutly tired, you can't get asleep like that...So i guess it was more too much cocaine...
I didn't report to the management for 2 reasons:
- my poor russian
- and i had some pity for the girl... I know I shouldn't but, well...I consider that paying for sex is always the luck of the draw... It was not my day, that's it. I don't care too much. But just avoid this place in the future.
Passepartout
09-02-08, 22:09
Guys,
I would like to share with you a terrible news that I just had tonight. I have just discover, at 300 meters far from where I live, same street, same adress, just a different "podbiezd", a new massage saloon that had just open!!!
It means that i can get laid for 1500 /2000 rubles when I want, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The only thing I have to do is make a call - put my shoes on - walk 300 meters - and that's it!
The problem is that I am not the kind of man who knows how to resist to another beer in a bar if it is offered gently. I am not the kind of man who would order a green salad in a top end restaurant. No.
My plans for the next years were to become rich and make a lot of money. I think I need to redefine with myself a new BP.
:-)
For those who are interested it is this saloon:
http://relaxi.ru/
Not bad. usual things.
it means that i can get laid for 1500 /2000 rubles when i want, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. the only thing i have to do is make a call - put my shoes on - walk 300 meters - and that's it!
so, you've been there, passepartout? cuz on their website, they don't mention anything about laying pipe (fs); just 15 different types of massage, peep show, lesbo show, etc, etc... so, appears to be your typical rub-n-tug, at least by the website.
nevertheless, good location and prices, and several of the girls appear to have killer bods. definitely worth scouting out!
Stravinsky
09-03-08, 00:07
Ppt,
I hate to burst your bubble, but I have to agree with Pizdyets. This place is strictly a run-n-tug joint. There are a couple reviews on sextalk; one of the guys said he was greeted at the door by 3 goblina (goblins). Doesn't sound promising, no matter how convenient.
It seems there are fewer and fewer temptations in Moscow nowadays.
Ppt,
I hate to burst your bubble, but I have to agree with Pizdyets. This place is strictly a run-n-tug joint. There are a couple reviews on sextalk; one of the guys said he was greeted at the door by 3 goblina (goblins). Doesn't sound promising, no matter how convenient.
It seems there are fewer and fewer temptations in Moscow nowadays.
In downtown Moscow (which I loosely classify as anything inside 3rd Ring), there must be at least 60 salons. In the same area, there are roughly 30 distinct metro stations (lumping together the ones where you transfer). You're rarely further than a 10 minute walk from the closest station in downtown. Assuming the salons are also more-or-less uniformly distributed, that would imply that you'd rarely be further than 7 minutes from one, which is about the limit of your sight in downtown. So, at pretty much any point in Moscow, you should be within sight of a salon.
To think of it another way, the highest density of Starbucks anywhere in the world is Manhattan with 170 within a 5 mile radius. If you were to apply the same density to the area within the 3rd Ring, you'd get approximately the same number as salons (65).
In other words, though there may be a salon in every dark alley way, it doesn't mean that each and every one will deliver the goods. Caveat emptor.
Some pal here has already sponosred these two pigs?
They are a little bit over age for me (both 26) and their names are Marina (the light coloured hair onre) and Inna (the black one)... On ground they do all and seem nice, one speaks also English...
Just asking info for my next trip...
IT
... but these two pigs for a sponsorship from Fridaay evening to Monday morning asked for 3.000 EUR for both... plus resturants, clubs, presents... so the total will go at 4.000-4.500 Crazy!!!
IT
Stravinsky
09-03-08, 14:59
IT,
If the girls wanted 3000r and you spent a total of 4,500r, then this means that you spent 1,500r for a weekend of clubs, restaurants and gifts.
So, basically, you took them to Yolki Palki and then bought them a matrioshka doll???
Passepartout
09-03-08, 18:38
Guys,
don't misunderstand me.
The fact that the saloon was only 300 meters away from home is a big chance, as i could be drunk, tired, coudl eb frozen, etc...
That's it. For the quality itself:
- no sex, only massage with a hand job to finish
- i found the appartment / bedroom / bathroom not very clean
- 2 girls only: 1 gobblins, and the 1 i have chosen with an amazing body
- massage was bad, as well as hand job. The intersting part was that she alloed my to touch her a lot, and i make her cum, which was nice.
I would not specially recommend to forum members to go, but for me, as it is really convenient, I would probably return!
AColonizer
09-03-08, 23:01
Passepartout, about your experience with that girl, how can i understand if a girl (in general) is a cocaine addicted or not?
IT,
If the girls wanted 3000r and you spent a total of 4,500r, then this means that you spent 1,500r for a weekend of clubs, restaurants and gifts.
So, basically, you took them to Yolki Palki and then bought them a matrioshka doll???
The figures are correct but for two nice beauties and they are not RUR they are EUR and I think it's tooo much!!!! and I'm just putting out experiences... I will not go with two 26 y.o. for 3000 € for a weekend :eek: , when standard sponsorization fee in Moscow for a teen beauty is 100.000-150.000 RUR month...
They told me they want to go to exclusive restaurants clubs etc for three days and in moscow it will be 500 € a day... simple... and for 500 € day I can get two teens and do their little pink rear hole!
By the way I go to Yelki Palki and it's good ;) the grill is good... and you see what you get!
IT
Doctor_Skank
09-04-08, 08:56
The figures are correct but for two nice beauties and they are not RUR they are EUR and I think it's tooo much!!!! and I'm just putting out experiences... I will not go with two 26 y.o. for 3000 € for a weekend :eek: , when standard sponsorization fee in Moscow for a teen beauty is 100.000-150.000 RUR month...
They told me they want to go to exclusive restaurants clubs etc for three days and in moscow it will be 500 € a day... simple... and for 500 € day I can get two teens and do their little pink rear hole!
By the way I go to Yelki Palki and it's good ;) the grill is good... and you see what you get!
ITI don't want to offend you IT, but I think the girls were just having a good laugh and playing on the internet. Like "let's see how far this will go..."
A girlfriend of mine had a profile on destiny.com.ua and was getting offers from men all the time, so sometimes to just play around she'd act interested. She was getting some pretty strange offers. One Italian guy was willing to pay 500 € IIRC if she would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in his mouth. Hope it wasn't you making the offer IT... :) Or maybe she took you up on the offer after I left town? ))
But yes, 3000 € is an insane price for average teen pussy. This quality of girl is available in droves at any medium-level disco on any given weekend. They aren't "elite class" by any means and probably wouldn't even be able to get into one of the elite clubs without somebody escorting them in.
You should be able to rent the entire 1st year class at cosmetology institute for that price, including the teacher. At the very least 3000 € should be for the whole month of oncall service for those 2.
Stravinsky
09-04-08, 15:01
IT,
So.. what are you saying, exactly??
Was your post a theoretical exercise? Or did you actually have these two girls for an entire weekend???
IT,
So.. what are you saying, exactly??
Was your post a theoretical exercise? Or did you actually have these two girls for an entire weekend???
I'm just making an economic deal with them but they asked 3000 EUR not RUR for a weekend it seems a little bit too much...
IT
I don't want to offend you IT, but I think the girls were just having a good laugh and playing on the internet. Like "let's see how far this will go..."
A girlfriend of mine had a profile on destiny.com.ua and was getting offers from men all the time, so sometimes to just play around she'd act interested. She was getting some pretty strange offers. One Italian guy was willing to pay 500 € IIRC if she would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in his mouth. Hope it wasn't you making the offer IT... :) Or maybe she took you up on the offer after I left town? ))
But yes, 3000 € is an insane price for average teen pussy. This quality of girl is available in droves at any medium-level disco on any given weekend. They aren't "elite class" by any means and probably wouldn't even be able to get into one of the elite clubs without somebody escorting them in.
You should be able to rent the entire 1st year class at cosmetology institute for that price, including the teacher. At the very least 3000 € should be for the whole month of oncall service for those 2.
Agree totally I think that a fair price for a fine teen (max 20) Russian blondinka for three days and nights of sponsorship is something in 1000 USD area... unlimited cumming of course! ;)
a promise is a promise. so especially for you pidziets and passepartout, here is a report about the 5 days i recently passed in russia. this was only my 3rd visit to russia so i'm still a real newbie. having started to learn the lingo has proved useful but i realize that i will need much more vocabulary to get the best out of this country.
saturday. day 1.
arrived in shem'vo mid pm, checked in at royal meridien national 3 hours later (i don't know how people living there cope with the traffic.) and rushed to a business dinner. pretended i was exhausted so i escaped about midnight. didn't know exactly where to go first. remembering the precious advice from pizdyets, i thought eye-candying would be a good start and so i walked to night flight. cover 900 rb which i ended up not paying as i introduced myself to the gm. he even offered me a drink. lots of hot dievushki around, some really stunning, most of them more than doable, but i wasn't ready to pay $400 for short time and god knows how much for an all-nighter, which was my goal. still i fully agree that it is a must-go place for a first visit, just to have an idea of the talent available in moscow. i considered going to a strip-club but thought it'd be more fun with a wingman so went to a place where i had a fairly good time before, namely hot dog. plus i had to see the renovated toilet which had been mentioned in this forum. found a taxi for "treestah" (300, originally 500, basically i ended up negotiating every taxi, probably not enough though) and arrived around 1 am. i first checked #34 to see if i could find assorti but without a phone number i realized this was not possible.
so off to hot dog. well the place may be freshly painted and shiny but boy the toilets still stink really bad. you better hold your breath while you [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) if old [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) smell is not your cup of tea (we'll come back to that later. .). anyway even if the talent was no match to nf, there were a couple of potential preys (or is it predators? ) among the fairly large crowd. i may have waited a bit too long as when i felt like it was time to go (about 3:30 am) the crowd was thinner. the best-looking blondinka was still asking for 400 euros though and wouldn't bulge so i chatted with olga, as her square features and long legs attracted me. and she was only asking for 200 euros plus 1000 rb to get out. back to the hotel (no question asked, totally girl-friendly) where i found out she wanted 300 euros. i told her we agreed for 200, she said i had misunderstood her, and as that stage i didn't want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off so i counted 250 to which she agreed. well i did overpay considering her talents and her sagging tits which were well hidden by her lovely top at hd. she started the session by a "sex massage" (she spoke a bit of english), but all in all the session was average, short bj, didn't allow daty (said she preferred dick. .), finished her doggy so that i didn't see her tits i wasn't excited enough for a repeat so i slept for a few hours. she woke me up by massaging me again and initiated a second session, she rode me well but i could have done without it. retrospectively found her quite friendly (and not pushy at all as the two other visits to hd proved it), with a nice face, but her breasts and her lack of passion in bed didn't really do it for me.
sunday. day 2.
had an early pm meeting that day with a cutie contacted through mamba. i have had a few interesting contacts through the site but it is time consuming, and i am sure it can yield to good results if you are ready to invest the time. although we had exchanged a lot, i quickly had a feeling that this would never materialize in sex and this turned out to be the case. but natalia was indeed very cute, and a nice guide to show me around moscow. her complete lack of english and my limited russian didn't make it very easy, and we kissed each other goodbye after a few hours knowing this couldn't go anywhere. it was 8 pm by now and i decided to check club che and raise souvenirs of a fun evening with the doc a few months earlier. had some nachos (food's ok, in case you wonder, though i doubt), the live band not bad but the crowd was a bit thin. chatted with svetlana, but i wasn't interested in her and threw away her number after having promised to call her back. too many better options in russia. che is definitely a place to go if you have the opportunity to see the dievushka on a second date, since they are not shy about giving their phone number. passepartout and docteur skank will reckon, i'm sure. scoring on first night is not impossible (as a matter of fact i am pretty sure that a tall dane who was making out pretty heavily with a little spinner nailed her that night) but not easy. called it a night shortly after midnight as i had to get a few hours of sleep in anticipation of monday night. funny thing is that pizdyets whom i had contacted to meet on the said monday night stopped by around that time and left when he saw that a fat and ugly drunk blond was the only person dancing.
monday – day 3.
after a full business day that ended late evening with an excellent dinner (but man fancy restaurants ain't cheap here) i finally got the opportunity to meet with pizdyets and a friend of his. we started to get warm up at etazh, which is indeed a good place to hang out and eye the short-dressed babes before they go to work just across, at nf. we nailed down quite a few large beers. a little mistake considering that we then went to hot dog where each session to the bathroom proved a real challenge smell-wise. so you've been warned, guys! anyway we had a great time talking about russian girls (what else? ) and scouted the talent around. a group of non-pros proved to pizdyets friend and myself, as we thought that a few of them seemed doable, that either pizdyets has much more acute eyes, or higher standards (also) or less affected by the beer goggles. it was getting late now and there was a particularly cute little thing who attracted mongers like honey do to bears but strangely enough hadn't been picked up yet. so i pretended that my friend was very interested to chat her up. i forgot her name but not her price. she quoted me a "good price": $1000 for the night (or whatever was left of it) and $700 for short time! this left me so speechless that i didn't even ask what it included. time was running, options were getting slimmer and i wanted to try something new, so pizdyets suggested a salon to which i wasn't going to object. off to fantasy's (http://www.fantasys. nu). arrived in the street, a few calls made, guy comes out to pick us up (obviously everything takes place in russki yezik so you better have a little command of the language to go through these steps), up the stairs and bingo, 12 or so girls in lingerie on display. pizdyets didn't have the choice since tanya (http://www.fantasys. nu/girls. phtml? id=40) grabbed him immediately but he didn't seem to mind i had a hard time making up my mind but eventually choose the tallest girl, a bit more fleshy than i normally like but with a very cute face. her name was innessa http://www.fantasys. nu/girls. phtml? id=2. piz wisely ordered whisky to get the girls in the mood. i hadn't realized yet that we would be fucking in the same room but that didn't deter us from having fun. a quick shower and inna pushed me on the bed and started to give me a nice bj. i reciprocated and licked inna' shaved pussy, as i enjoy and i wanted to prove her that frenchman live up to their reputation. interestingly she didn't seem to respond a lot, she was very directive in fact as up to where to put pressure. while my ego did get hurt (i thought i was skilled.), i didn't forget why i was here for and started banging her on a chair. she squeezed my dick and i came after a few minutes, a bit too early to my taste. forgot to get confirmation but are salons' policy "one-shot only"? in the meantime on the bed piz was fisting tanya like there was no tomorrow. she seems to really like him, although she wasn't against the idea of me doing her on a next visit. i guess i'll have to go without you, pizdyets anyway a fun session well worth the 10000 roubles (girls and drinks, for both of us), if i remember well.
tuesday – day 4
the lack of sleep made it difficult to recover fully but i was excited because of a business trip to krasnodar. my russian business partner promised me that we would go to a strip-club after dinner, so i had high expectations. well, well, unfortunately the dinner finished very late, and the guy wanted to sleep. fuck that! i briefly considered going by myself to the said club but then the fatigue hit me and i said to myself that tomorrow would be a better day.
wednesday – day 5
and it was indeed! i was free for dinner so invited another mamba potential freebie – a flight attendant. she looked mighty fine on pictures but she must be a photoshop expert. bad skin complexion, a few extra kilos around the waist, strong legs, i thought standards would be way higher in that industry! hopefully her friend was samara was much cuter and the dinner ended up being not a total waste. the mamba girl kissed me goodbye, gave me her # and ask me to call her back but this won't obviously happen. now the real night could start in great style: we'd meet with pizdyets and passepartout. we wanted to hit garazh first but it was a busy evening and despite our cool looks we were not let in. short walk to etazh on tverskaya, a few drinks to get to know each other and discuss options. btw, there were a few really good looking babes, notably a blond sitting next to us that must have been a devil in bed, as pizdyets guessed by her attitude. i wouldn't disagree. club che seemed to be a good way to start, so club che it was. many drinks, plenty of chatting and dancing, we easily spent 2 hours there and had fun. not too many girls, but a few doables. a brunette with a girl-next-door faced and attitude was particularly attractive, but upon further investigation she turned out to be married. and her husband was there and watching her. but for my last night in moscow i wanted an all-nighter so hot dog sounded like the best option. a short ride in a stinky car and we arrived safely. it was much busier than on monday and there was plenty of talent. more drinks (i don't even recall what i was drinking at that point), my two isg colleagues chatted some of the african girls (cute but i wasn’t in russia for that! ). can't remember how much they were asking but pizdyets will, i think. i asked a few blondinkas around and they were all asking 15k for lt, some even 20k. of course there was room for discussion. that's when pizdyets convinced me about a beautiful brunette that looked very sweet. half greek half russia, beautiful eyes, i was quickly sold. she quoted 15k first, quickly agreed for 10k and upon leaving the club where my 2 team mates were still drinking, piz told me to talk her down to 8k. i'm sure it was possible but i stopped at 9k. i thought she was worth it. btw, she didn't ask for 1k to get out, so i feel like i got cheated by the first girl i picked up here.
during the ride back to the hotel, elena was holding me hand, gently kissed me so i thought i was in for a good time. it was better than that. we had some wine back at the hotel (pokrovka, btw a great hotel, each room is a suite dotted with a kitchen and a living room, not too expensive, a bit away from the main centres of interests maybe but overall a great value in that range), listen to music and started to make out on the sofa. a quick shower and than 2 rounds of non-stop gfe treatment. i am not sure she would treat everybody like she did me because we really clicked. in fact we didn't have sex but we made love passionately. i am not a veteran at p4p, but i can't recall having such gfe with a pro. i turn the alarm on so that this would leave us enough time for a third round in the morning. after sleeping in each other arms, i woke up and started to gently caress her. first her arms, then her back, her legs, reached for her pussy, she then started to gently stroke my cock. i started to be pretty aroused, and i checked my watch to make sure that i would have plenty of time. fuck! i had only 15 minutes left before my driver would pick me up and take me to the airport! got confused with time difference and i fucked up with the alarm needless to say i was mad at myself. elena seemed genuinely sorry for me as well. we kissed each other good-bye and i checked-out with a hard-on in my jeans and a smile on my face.
if you've been though all this you know i'll be back. i'm hooked. thanks again to pizdyets and passepartout for your energy, your advice and your company. the world wouldn't be as much fun without isg. so thank you also jackson!
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Have no idea if she has already been Skanked or Bezzared... ;) but frankly for my taste she is close to perfection...
21/164/44, really skinny, superb mouth, brown/red hair, freckled skin... I suppose that pink is really pink there! Two problems... no anal and 15.000 RUR/night (expensive but not crazy)... and she told photos are real.
http://flirt.com.ua/kubrina2008/
(you can see her also if you have pw of moslove and all the others with the same database)
Some member already nailed her? Because if she is a log in bed it's nothing to have... In some aspects she reminds me on Lol.... in Kiev...
IT
Have no idea if she has already been Skanked or Bezzared... ;) ...
She is beautiful...so I wish you she will be soon IT Travelled ;)
In my opinion with a good work with wise and smart words, you will be able to convince her to get anal, from my experience most of girls do not want anal or never tried before, so they are at least a bit curious to try it..., or they had anal with a man that did not use lube, so with enough patience, you should be able to convince her to try, at least this is what I wish you :)
Hey Mindighet Lechat,
It was great hanging out with you and Passepartout for sure.
Some clarifications below:
I hadn't realized yet that we would be fucking in the same room but that didn't deter us from having fun. Yeah, since they have a dozen sources of revenue, yet only 4 rooms, they try and make guys double up. If you threaten to walk out, you might get separate rooms, but not always.
A quick shower and Inna pushed me on the bed and started to give me a nice BJ. I reciprocated and licked Inna' shaved pussy, as I enjoy and I wanted to prove her that Frenchman live up to their reputation. Interestingly she didn't seem to respond a lot, she was very directive in fact as up to where to put pressure. While my ego did get hurt (I thought I was skilled.), I didn't forget why I was here for and started banging her on a chair. She squeezed my dick and I came after a few minutes, a bit too early to my taste. You were thinking with your little head that night. I've had my eye on Inna for a while now, but I've found that she looks totally "sterva" (like a cold-hearted B-I-T-C-H) and I tend to go for the girls who look genuinely interested in getting it on with me. For example. Like Tanya.
Forgot to get confirmation but are salons' policy "one-shot only"? At the ones I've been to (including the Elit/Charm/Fantasy cartel), it's totally based on time. If you can squeeze off 3 in an hour, it's still 4K. Extra services (lesbo, anal, double/tag team) have additional fees associated with them, but I've never gone there, so can't report as to rates.
In the meantime on the bed Piz was fisting Tanya like there was no tomorrow. She seems to really like him, although she wasn't against the idea of me doing her on a next visit. I guess I'll have to go without you, Pizdyets I'd recommend her to anyone. She's a total animal. Not the smallest girl by any stretch of the imagination, but her face is beautiful and her attitude is a nice balance between playful and lusty.
Anyway a fun session well worth the 10000 roubles (girls and drinks, for both of us), if I remember well. Yes, you remembered well. 2 girls at 4K/hr + 4 whiskys at 500R. I find that service is almost always good at these places if you buy the girls a drink, sit and chat for a few minutes to get to know them a little before getting to business.
my two ISG colleagues chatted some of the African girls (cute but I wasn’t in Russia for that! ). Can't remember how much they were asking but Pizdyets will, I think. I was blitzed by that point, but as I recall it was the typical bullshit of asking 15K and me talking her down to 8K. Passepartout might remember. After the lights came up around 5am, I wanted to take one to breakfast to decide if I really wanted to go there or not (while sobering up), but she wanted to go straight to business. So I told her it was her choice: free breakfast with a good chance for closing the deal after, or go home alone. She insisted on going back immediately and I walked.
Btw, she didn't ask for 1K to get out, so I feel like I got cheated by the first girl I picked up here. Jake and I have been discussing HD's female cover policy for a while now. My theory is that the okhraniki charge the girls somewhat arbitarily based upon looks, frequency of being in the club, time and day of the week, and if they hook up or not. Unlike NF, not all the girls in HD are working, and they seem to not charge those girls. Yet some WGs are trying to fly under the radar and not get charged cover. Case in point. A frumpy blondinka who I've seen there on a couple occassions told my buddy that she dresses in "plain clothes" in order to avoid paying cover. But I think she avoids getting paying customers that way too.
I am not sure she would treat everybody like she did me because we really clicked. I don't know either, BB, but I'm willing to try and find out. : P
I mean, someone will need to take care of her until your next trip!
Can anybody provide any recommendations for reliable escorts in Moscow?
(good value for money, don't bait and switch, what you see on their website is what you get!)
Thanks!
Can anybody provide any recommendations for reliable escorts in Moscow?
(good value for money, don't bait and switch, what you see on their website is what you get!)
Thanks!
I'm tempted to say RTFF, but it's not like I'm a tenured member of ISG either. Instead, I'd suggest you take what's been put out there, and report back your own findings (which I see you've done in the past). Here's Stravinsky's "private office" which has girls verified from the Russian forums:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=779473&postcount=2105
It'd also help if you'd describe what you're looking for. Are you planning to bring this girl to business functions? Set up a customer with a plausible "studentka" who wants to "practice her English"? Or is it more just dinner, dancing, and gettin' down and dirty?
Passepartout
09-08-08, 19:43
Hey BB what a report!
Great night for sure we had all together.
I have slept until 13.00 and arrived at work still drunk from the night... For you ISG members, if you meet BB or Pyzdiets, be careful as these guys never stop to drink!
Hi guys, (and maybe girls)
I've not been to Moscow for a while. With all the recent currency fluctuations what is the going rate for a NF girl? You would think that the price would remain the same, but I was surprised how well the more educated pro's and strippers monitor the exchange rate. I had a stripper in Atlanta tell me I could afford to pay more because of the strong pound at the time. WTF
Also is the old Boar House now called Hotdog? What are the going prices there now? I ask because I don't want to poison the water and pay too much, otherwise it makes it more expensive for everyone.
Cheers,
Anthony
I'm still recovering from a long weekend which continued right into Monday morning with Jake993's return to Moskva.
This is stop #1 of a three city, three country tour including Moscow, Ashgabat (Turkmenistan) and Kiev. Unfortunately, I booked a flight to Moscow that arrived at SVO at 2:00 AM. I checked with Mr. P ahead of time to see if he wanted to get together upon my arrival for a least a drinks and perhaps even some debauchery. I gave him plenty of opportunities to pass but he hung in there and agreed to meet me regardless of how late it was. What a party animal. It was 4:00 AM by the time I got to my apartment which is VERY conveniently located very near to Itazh which gave me just enough time to drop my stuff, brush my teeth and go over to meet Pizdyets.
As he stated in an earlier post, there were actually about a half dozen girls in Itazh at that hour a few of which were working girls who may have just gotten off shift at Night Flight. After a few drinks and smoking a little “Hubbly Bubbly, Mr. P was a good enough local host to take me personally down to Charm’el (http://www.charmel.biz/) , which was just 10 minutes walk down Tverkoye Bulvar. Pizdyets made the usual phone call to arrange our audience with the girls and within minutes a smiling fellow came out to meet us and guided us in. We were led to a nicely decorated room and about a half dozen girls came in for us to choose from.
Being the gentleman that he is, Mr. P let me have first pick and I chose Eva who, while not THE hottest looking girl in the room, she gave a knowing little wink when I scanned the line-up remembering Pizdyet’s experience in his previous post on the subject.
The clock was ticking and she led me off to the shower. As Pizdyet pointed out, they do a really good job of patrolling the halls making sure that two clients never run in to each other in the hall coming and going to and from the bathroom – quite unlike the locker room atmosphere of your typical Brazilian Termas.
Once back in the room, we got down to business. Eva appeared to have lost a little weight from when her picture was take for the web site. She was really a hot little thing considering the hour and quite energetic and enthusiastic. CBJ which, though not ideal, was decent and considering that I had been on a plane less than four hours earlier I didn’t feel like lobbying for a BBBJ. We went around the bases in terms of positions and when we only had a few minutes left I noticed that she has pre-lubed her back side so I am sure that anal would have been on the menu had I pursued it. Note to self for next time. BTW, both Eva and I had drinks (cognac and single malt) which added considerably to the bill, but what the heck. First time in a Moscow salon so why not get the full treatment?
When we emerged into the light of day after the hour in paradise, the streets were buzzing with the activity of commuters heading to work on a sunny Monday morning. We strolled back to Tverskaya and caught some breakfast at the Café House. The waitress gave us a knowing smirk as she probably guessed what we had been doing.
My head hit the pillow at 8:00 AM on the dot and I slept like a log until noon. Welcome to Moscow. As I am typing this, I am getting ready to pack a bag and head off to the airport for a few days in Ashgabat, the second stop on our little “tour”.
Mr. P was a good enough local host to take me personally down to Charm’el (http://www.charmel.biz/) , which was just 10 minutes walk down Tverskoy Bulvar. Pizdyets made the usual phone call to arrange our audience with the girls and within minutes a smiling fellow came out to meet us and guided us in. We were led to a nicely decorated room and about a half dozen girls came in for us to choose from.
Let me also mention that Passepartout's reporting of Charmel's recent rate hike was 100% correct. When asked why they charge 4500R/hr vs Fantasy's/Elit's 4000R/hr, they succinctly answered "Because we're better." To which I replied "And more modest too!" That got a laugh. Drinks are also 50% more expensive, BTW.
Time to wean myself from the P4P and get back to nailing freebies. Any potential wingmen out there up to the task? :)
With all the recent currency fluctuations what is the going rate for a NF girl?I don't go that often (read: virtually never), but I'm hearing $300-$500 ST, $500-$1000 LT. Of course it also depends on time, day... and you.
Also is the old Boar House now called Hotdog?Yes - read Mindighet Lechat 's recent report, including a vivid description of the toilets there.
What are the going prices there now?I can state this with a little more authority. Inexplicably, even the ugly hos at HD are asking 10K rubles for LT. Cuties start at 15K and gorgeous model-types (yes, there are some there) are asking 20K or more. That said, you can usually talk the cuties down to 8K. But, as always, YMMV. And tell her in advance that you're not going to pay any penalty fee "to the house" for her to leave with you.
Stravinsky
09-09-08, 18:23
Having started to learn the lingo has proved useful but I realize that I will need much more vocabulary to get the best out of this country.
Her complete lack of English and my limited Russian didn't make it very easy
obviously everything takes place in Russki yezik so you better have a little command of the language to go through these stepsMindighet Lechat,
Sounds like you had a grand time in Moskva. But then, with a good friend like Pizdyets to guide you, it's hard to go wrong.
What interested me were your comments about how helpful a knowledge of the Russian language can be and how difficult it is to get the full benefit of a trip to Russia without it.
Your post is one of the best arguments yet for a separate thread for the Russian language. I have suggested to Jackson several times that everyone here could benefit from a separate thread for "Russian Language Phrases", or something similar, as have many other members who visit Russia and eastern Europe and post on this board.
Unfortunately, Jackson has always refused to give us one.
Doctor_Skank
09-09-08, 18:37
Your post is one of the best arguments yet for a separate thread for the Russian language. I have suggested to Jackson several times that everyone here could benefit from a separate thread for "Russian Language Phrases", or something similar, as have many other members who visit Russia and eastern Europe and post on this board.
Unfortunately, Jackson has always refused to give us one.That thread and the "dating Russian women" thread are both missing. Both would be a great boon to us all.
That thread and the "dating Russian women" thread are both missing. Both would be a great boon to us all.
Well, the China board has "Chinese Words and Phrases" as well as "Chinese Women - Opinions and Advice", so there is precedent. I can see the argument that the Chinese language is more difficult than Russian, but I'd argue that Russian women are far more complex than Chinese women...
Buying a Russian phrasebook is essential. Key elements missed by the book would include processes involving:
1. Calling an escort agency
2. Relaying your address
3. Telling the ladies how to get to the door of your flat
These are essential survival skills when getting *****s ex-Moscow. Doing things like buying train tickets and fiddling with registrations are best handled with the assistance of a friendly ugly girl or camslut.
AColonizer
09-10-08, 14:15
Moscow and Saint Petersburg are capital cities for good sex in the world.
I would like to merge Russian good sex with beautiful Sunny places. I know a lot of Russian girls like to have a holiday for example in Dubai, in Caribbean islands, etc.
Which are the holiday places outside Russia where we can find nice Russian girls easily?
Moscow and Saint Petersburg are capital cities for good sex in the world.
I would like to merge Russian good sex with beautiful Sunny places. I know a lot of Russian girls like to have a holiday for example in Dubai, in Caribbean islands, etc.
Which are the holiday places outside Russia where we can find nice Russian girls easily?Prague, Alanya, Antalya,Hurghada, Varna, Golden Sands, Paralia, Chalkidiki, Lindos etc.
Stravinsky
09-10-08, 18:21
Which are the holiday places outside Russia where we can find nice Russian girls easily?Try Antalya, Turkey.
Try Antalya, Turkey.
I've travelled to Turkey, Egypt and Cyprus - all popular vacation destinations due to the fact that they're cheap and don't require Russians to get a visa in advance. But all these places have poor reputations (in Moscow, at least), and it's not "cool" for a top-notch dyev to tell her girlfriends that she's going to Antalya or Sharm al Sheik on vacation. They are essentially the vacation destination equivalent of Papa John's or Karma Bar, and though plenty of interested (and loose) Russian girls are guaranteed, the quality of the girls will be markedly lower than in locations in the EU such as Ibiza, Mallorca or Mykonos.
Not saying Antalya is bad for picking up - just wanted to give the full picture.
I've travelled to Turkey, Egypt and Cyprus - all popular vacation destinations due to the fact that they're cheap and don't require Russians to get a visa in advance. But all these places have poor reputations (in Moscow, at least), and it's not "cool" for a top-notch dyev to tell her girlfriends that she's going to Antalya or Sharm al Sheik on vacation. They are essentially the vacation destination equivalent of Papa John's or Karma Bar, and though plenty of interested (and loose) Russian girls are guaranteed, the quality of the girls will be markedly lower than in locations in the EU such as Ibiza, Mallorca or Mykonos.
Not saying Antalya is bad for picking up - just wanted to give the full picture.I agree that russian women abroad tend to be very careful and follow guidelines.It is much better to meet them in their home country.
In Turkey, Russian dyevs like to bang the locals, I even once saw a Russian forum for girls discussing how good various hotel employees were in bed (sorry, can't remember the name, or give a link).
Egypt (Sharm El Sheikh, especially) is a better bet in that respect because most Russian girls steer clear of the Egyptians. But remember it's a beach holiday, and on a beach holiday girls of all origins want to get a bang for their buck, and not a buck for their bang ;)
For Russian freebies, Moscow remains the best place. There is no other place on Earth where I have scored freebies nine nights in a row. The advantage is that in Moscow, there are places where the good girls go, places where the prostitutes go, places where the freebie sluts go. In a holiday resort, you get the good girls along with the bad girls and thus, waste a lot of time. Also you cannot easily have more than one girl at a time because you can't say you are "busy this evening".
Holidays are generally excellent though for scoring unsatisfied horny Russian women aged 30-40, holidaying without their husbands (if that's your cup of tea of course). Pretty typical example: Hilton, Sharm El Sheikh, I meet a bunch of 35-year olds at the all-inclusive bar, after 30 seconds one tells me she wants to "read me bed-time stories tonight". We head for the club, another one is quick to take me by the hand and does not let go till she tells me, 1 1/2 hours later, that "we should get out of here" ;)
When choosing a hotel, go to tophotel.ru and check how many reviews there are for any given hotel in a particular city, which compared to hotel size tells you how many Russians go there. Then check which ones of these are party places, and try to get an all-inclusive package holiday there with a Western agency.
If the hotel is full of Russians your chances are excellent: a) less competition from foreigners, b) hot dyevs everywhere you look, c) the dyevs get drunk from the early afternoon as it's all inclusive and d) there is very little competition from Russian men, as they either arrive with their girlfriends or else get drunk as skunks day and night, again because of the all-inclusive concept. ;)
I agree that russian women abroad tend to be very careful and follow guidelines.It is much better to meet them in their home country.
A problem in Egypt, apart from all inclusive hotels, is alcohol - if you buy a cocktail in a club there is often hardly any alcohol in it, and if there is, it is usually very expensive. That means the girls don't get as drunk as they would back home. Also, I don't think you can just get a bottle of vodka and drink it on the street glubinka-style :)
Actually Kemer and Marmaris in Turkey are very good places for freebies. Marmaris is a party town and it attracts not only Russians but women from all over Europe. I stayed there 3 nights and scored a Polish and a German girl...
Kemer is a bit calmer and it is full of poor Russians. In general quality of clientele there is pretty low. But it has pretty good nightlife. In Kemer, for clubbing try Inferno or Aura, they are next to each other. Pretty high fakhie factor. You won't regret!
Most Turks despise vacationing along the Russians and they stay away from Antalya and the surroundings. More upscale and boutique resorts can be found in Bodrum, Ceshme and Alachatı. Alachatı is excellent for surfing. If you want to hunt Russian dyevs, then Bodrum is a better option, almost no Russians in Ceshme and Alachatı.
It is true that Turkey and Egypt cater to the low income segment of the Russian tourist market, that makes sense business wise. After all most Russians are poor. However, there are plenty of luxury holiday villages which have a fair amount of affluent Russian customers.
Check out:
http://www.adamevehotels.com/hotel.php?lang=en&folder=&file=
http://www.hillsidebeachclub.com/main.php?sLang=EN
Time to wean myself from the P4P and get back to nailing freebies. Any potential wingmen out there up to the task? :)
Absolutely Dr. Skank,
I just back from Turkmenistan this morning and will be heading to Kiev this afternoon for the weekend. However I am back in Moscow Monday night and staying until Saturday so if you want to hook up for a little freebie hunting, PM me and we can make a plan. I think I remember seeing that you will be in Moscow next week.
Jake
PS - Will write a detailed report about Turkmenistan in the appropriate thread. Very Interesting place. Plenty of ethic Russian girls "on the job" in Ashgabat but if you fancy a Turkmen girl (and some of them are VERY exotic) you can pretty much forget it. I understand that they are brought up in a very conservative environment and pre-marital sex is taboo. See the whole story on the Turkmenistan thread.
Solntsa Yada
09-12-08, 15:08
So,
A couple of friends of mine, for purposes we shall call Mr. Pink and Mr. Green, started our night at the Real McCoy, (Is there a fake McCoy somewhere else? ) Pink has been, over a year ago, and Green is. Green.
So we are barely in the door when some pug-troll tries to give us a stand up BJ, I'm ignoring her, but its obvious that this place is where the freebies are, provided you've have your beer goggles on.
I used to be a pretty nice guy back in Oz, but have had to learn the Russian way over the last couple of years, which involves up front, abusive, sexual assault, style approaches. Tone it down a notch with Oz style humour, and it works a treat.
So, a couple of 5's and 6's start past us. Making the vulture rounds, I grab each ass in turn, just a gentle squeeze, no response. Then they pass again, squeeze again, no response again. Cool. Girls are on the bar, on the tables, one girl, a little plump, but toned plump, is pulling her top down for me to see her nipples, and pinches herself to make sure I have her attention. WTF!
Anyway, green is back from a week long appointment with the porcelain god, so he's being tame, but he wants revenge cause pink did his ho a few days back while green was laid up in bed (she was nice looking, a great conversationalist and funny, I can see why they both like her), so he starts giving us Long Island Ice Teas. Half litre varieties. And boy did they go down too well. 3 LIIT's later and Pink and I have the attention of the hotties (7's at best) and those two that I grabbed before, they were in our proverbial laps, Pinks dancing up a tea-cup storm, and really getting it on with both girls, sisters, and I'm getting some attention from a blond bombshell (post explosion).
Then it starts to get ugly. 4th LIIT down, the black dressed sister starts getting snooty with Pink, spills her drink on him, and then WHACK! , a full bitchslap! , pinks mentally floored, standing there dumbfounded, and ready for another before my hand grabs hers from the air, now. Aussie girls get into fights as often as Aussie guys, my sisters especially, so I have no qualms whacking a girl, thankfully never had to do it. But she gets all huffy. And the BIG bouncer looking 8ft brick shit-house, steps up to let me know this is not going to happen. Cept, he wasn't, he was just walking past.
Anyway. We down the 5th LIIT, and decide to leave. Pink gets left behind somehow, and green and I go to Che (dead) then PJ's (not bad but not good) green says f-this, HD for some straight forward fun.
Pink joins us, though he has little recollection of it, and we amble in. I have to say. Liit as I was, I saw some quite attractive honeys, all $800-$1000, some average honeys, $500-$600 and some mother fugly ho bags. For. $600-$800. ! WTF
Green gets all bird hunter goo-gaa over some big breasted flesh beast, and wants to take her. Not wanting to be alone, he tells me I have to take one too back to his place. Dang it.
I grab the cutest I could afford, and drag her along, taxi ride back to greens place. Pink follows us out the door and disappears.
We're not even 5 minutes in greens place, when his girl storms out of his room, prepping to go. Me, thinking that she's doing a runner, grabs the keys from the door and check. Greens unconscious, possibly asleep possibly not. I ask him. He says 'nah, fuck her off'
Green is totally green, no Russian, so I ask the girl in my. Barely 5 words Russian. Whats going on.
We argue about misunderstandings, I think she says 60, 000 she's saying 16, 000, I know thats far too much, I say, no thats not going to happen, 10 is normal, she gets all bitchy and starts fucking with me, . I don't know if this girl has just robbed my mate green or not. So I tell her she has to wait while I check
Honestly I have no clue if green had 10k or 20k rubles before, and if she did or didn't take something. He's passed out on the bed.
But she's freaking out at the door, going bunta ballistic, cause its locked. So I go back to her. Ask her whats going on, she starts pushing me around and saying she has friends in the FSB. Whoa. I snap
I hold her head again the door with my elbow/forearm, and tell her in a quiet tone, straight to her eyes, "Ya Rabotayou na FSB, gavarish yesha kto ti znaesh" which is my terrible Russian for. I work in the FSB, say again who you know?
She goes white, I unlock the door, and physically boot her ass out the door. Single turn push with the heel of my foot, she stumbles but does not fall, I lock the door.
The door bell. RING RING RING RING RING.
MY girl comes out of the bathroom, starts asking whats going on.
I turn off the bell, and start the 'panicked foreigner' act, "oh my gawd, she just started demanding money, started saying that she was calling the police and the military, I didn't know what to do. I think she had a knife, she stole all my friends money. I pushed her out of the apartment in time before she might have stabbed me.
Is this your friend? " I ask. In horror, She assures me she is not, calms me down, rings the taxi driver waiting outside to see if she's there. She is. Gets on the phone to her (shit) I start claiming, . "I couldn't understand her, she scared me, started getting all crazy". It works. She talks to the other girl, but decides that the foreigners word is more truthful than the *****,
She calms me down with some kissing, and an attempted BJ, mounts me rides me. , but then I say that I can't, I'm not in the mood now that this happened. (actually I know I'm too wasted to even get close to getting off) I need some sort of assurance.
This kind sweet girl, suggests that she goes, but wants me to call her, go to the movies and hang out with her. I get her number. And she leaves. No cash paid. !
Gawd I love Moscow. And now Pink, my bet is paid, Posted!
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For Russian freebies, Moscow remains the best place. There is no other place on Earth where I have scored freebies nine nights in a row. The advantage is that in Moscow, there are places where the good girls go, places where the prostitutes go, places where the freebie sluts go.
Interesting comments. Out of curiosity what bars/venues/hang-outs would you recommend for, erm, "good girls" and "freebie sluts"?
Then it starts to get ugly. 4th LIIT down, the black dressed sister starts getting snooty with Pink, spills her drink on him, and then WHACK! , a full bitchslap! , pinks mentally floored, standing there dumbfounded, and ready for another before my hand grabs hers from the air, now. Aussie girls get into fights as often as Aussie guys, my sisters especially, so I have no qualms whacking a girl, thankfully never had to do it. But she gets all huffy. And the BIG bouncer looking 8ft brick shit-house, steps up to let me know this is not going to happen. Cept, he wasn't, he was just walking past.
SY - great debut posting, but you didn't get that *quite* right. She didn't spill her drink on me. This is how it went down...
The little sister, Vera, (not that little - 23 but looks more like 19) is a bit timid but drunk off her ass, as is often the case in McCoy's. As I recall (which doesn't mean much after that much to drink), she's a solid 7, petite brunette, nice B cups, firm ass, with a sprinkling of freckles on her cute face. She's more than receptive to my advances and we drink, dance and make out a little. The older sister, Olya, is prettier (IMO), a bit taller brunette, but seems a little perturbed that I'm giving that much attention to Vera. She comes up to me and asks to have some of my Long Island. Being the penultimate gentleman that I am, I oblige immediately. Taking a large swig, she then proceeds to blow the entire mouthful into my face, coating me as well as my Zegna suit. I'm completely dumbfounded. What did I do to this girl to deserve this? Out loud, I say, "That's never happened to me before." Olya's smug smile transforms into an intent stare right before she bitchslaps me across the face, cutting my lip in the process. That's when SY comes to the rescue and saves me from any more abuse from this psycho suchka from hell.
Licking my wounds, I regroup at the bar, still in shock. Vera comes over and apologizes, and I ask why her sister hates me. She shrugs her shoulders and says only "Pyanaya..." (she's just drunk). After another Long Island, I start dancing again, and low and behold who comes up and starts grinding her crotch and ass against me but Olya... As they say, there's a fine line between love and hate. I originally thought that she was being protective of her younger sister, but now I realize it was just jealousy. Ah, ya gotta love them Russians!
Out of curiosity what bars/venues/hang-outs would you recommend for, erm, "good girls" and "freebie sluts"?
There are so many bars/clubs in Moscow, that it's hard if not impossible to give a comprehensive list. For freebie sluts, my expat-friendly suggestions with reasonable face control would be Che, Tunnel, Papa's, Karma, Real McCoy and B2. The first four are within easy walking distance from each other, so it's easy to hop from one to another. There should be an ample number of 7s in each of those places, though the majority will be 6s and under (but pathetically easy to pick up). Outside the center of the city, you'll find cheaper places with easier (and lower-rent) girls, but I don't have a lot of experience in that sphere, since I live and work in downtown. Sorry Babuskha and Fabrique are both nice dance clubs with better looking girls, but might be hard for you to get in after midnight due to face control. They're also extremely loud, so harder to get acquainted, not to mention closing the deal. Good girls can be picked up in cafes such as Etazh, Coffee House, Shokoladnitsa, etc... As Doc Skank has proven to good effect, parks are also a good place to pickup.
Udachi!
Passepartout
09-14-08, 14:09
Moscow and Saint Petersburg are capital cities for good sex in the world.
I would like to merge Russian good sex with beautiful Sunny places. I know a lot of Russian girls like to have a holiday for example in Dubai, in Caribbean islands, etc.
Which are the holiday places outside Russia where we can find nice Russian girls easily?
Basically: Egypt, Turkey and Thailand.
Also you can go to Sotchi in Russia: sunny and for sure full of russians!
For freebie sluts, my expat-friendly suggestions with reasonable face control would be Che, Tunnel, Papa's, Karma, Real McCoy and B2.
What would you suggest on weekdays?
2 years ago, when I was last there, the best order seemed to be
Sun - Karma Bar
Mon - Parizhskaya Zhizn'
Tue - Papa's
Wed - Parizhskaya Zhizn'
Thu - Real McCoy
Is that still up to date? Also, if yes, what are good alternatives to Parizhskaya Zhizn' on Mons and Weds?
What would you suggest on weekdays?
2 years ago, when I was last there, the best order seemed to be
Sun - Karma Bar
Mon - Parizhskaya Zhizn'
Tue - Papa's
Wed - Parizhskaya Zhizn'
Thu - Real McCoy
Is that still up to date? Also, if yes, what are good alternatives to Parizhskaya Zhizn' on Mons and Weds?
I'd suggest Garazh on Weds. Go early (before 11pm) or you might well get faced. Che also isn't too bad on Weds. I know this cuz Bubbly Boy and I got faced at Garazh when arriving after midnight and we needed a Plan B. :)
Propoganda used to be pretty good on Sundays, but haven't been there in for a while.
Guys can you please recommend a couple of sites where it's possible to meet girls that seek sponsorship (an amount of money in a regular basis in exchange for sex)? If you can recommend a couple of escort site it will be helpful also.
Also do you know if it is possible for a girl with litte or no breast to take some medication (under medical supervision of course) or hormones in order to develop at least avarage size breast without surgery or without putting her health at risk? I recently have a new "friend" she amazing tall but sadly with no breast (I'm a breast man).
AColonizer
09-14-08, 17:49
Thanks, interesting reply. I think it is useful to go in-deep about Sotchi&C. , what is your opinion about:
- is Sotchi good in Autumn and Spring too?
- is there any nudist beach in Sotchi?
- is there any danger in Sotchi because it is near Georgia war?
- I see, near Sotchi, the towns of Tuapse and Novorossyisk, are they good like Sotchi?
- by Google, I read the best nudist beach is near Saint Petersburg, maybe for Russians, but I think it is cold in Summer too. .
- and about sex scene, are Sotchi&C. Open to Western tourists or do they prefer Russian people?
Basically: Egypt, Turkey and Thailand.
Also you can go to Sotchi in Russia: sunny and for sure full of russians!
Guys can you please recommend a couple of sites where it's possible to meet girls that seek sponsorship (an amount of money in a regular basis in exchange for sex)? If you can recommend a couple of escort site it will be helpful also.
If you speak Russian then mamba.ru is your best bet. If you pay a couple of bucks for the advanced search function you can specifically look for girls in search of sponsorship. If you don't speak Russian, you may be able to cope using automatic translation.
- is Sotchi good in Autumn and Spring too?
I think there will already/still be a lot of tourists in June and September, and also during the Russian holiday period in early May.
(It's Sochi, without the t.)
- is there any nudist beach in Sotchi?
There is one in Adler, close to Sochi airport, and there seem to be some other locations throughout Greater Sochi (which is a VERY long stretch of coast, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi).
http://forum.allsochi.info/showthread.php?t=1070
- is there any danger in Sotchi because it is near Georgia war?
The danger from the Georgia war is overrated. I doubt the Georgians have the military capability to attack Sochi. If they had both the capability (e.g. rockets) and willingness they would have done so already.
- I see, near Sotchi, the towns of Tuapse and Novorossyisk, are they good like Sotchi?
Sochi is famous as a holiday resort, Tuapse and Novorossyisk aren't. From what I can see on the Net these are port cities, but nearby Gelendzhik is an important resort, too.
- by Google, I read the best nudist beach is near Saint Petersburg, maybe for Russians, but I think it is cold in Summer too.
Many Communist leaders used to go to the Baltic coast in summer (esp. near Riga), so I guess somewhere near St. Petersburg would probably be sort of acceptable in July/August, too, in terms of water temperature (no problem with air temperature). I haven't heard about the nudist beach, though.
- and about sex scene, are Sotchi&C. Open to Western tourists or do they prefer Russian people?[/QUOTE]
If you don't speak Russian I wouldn't recommend it. Some girls will speak English but you'll be better off in Moscow, or even in Turkey, as they will question your motivation behind coming to Sochi. Since it is actually cheaper to go to Turkey or Egypt than to go to Sochi, the girls who go there have usually made a conscious decision to stay in a Russian-speaking environment.
Guys can you please recommend a couple of sites where it's possible to meet girls that seek sponsorship (an amount of money in a regular basis in exchange for sex)? If you can recommend a couple of escort site it will be helpful also.
Also do you know if it is possible for a girl with litte or no breast to take some medication (under medical supervision of course) or hormones in order to develop at least avarage size breast without surgery or without putting her health at risk? I recently have a new "friend" she amazing tall but sadly with no breast (I'm a breast man).No.
It is not possible.
Since it is actually cheaper to go to Turkey or Egypt than to go to Sochi, the girls who go there have usually made a conscious decision to stay in a Russian-speaking environment.
Or they don't have their international passports.
In any case, why is this being discussed in the Moscow thread? Should move it to Other Areas.
What would you suggest on weekdays?
2 years ago, when I was last there, the best order seemed to be
Sun - Karma Bar
Mon - Parizhskaya Zhizn'
Tue - Papa's
Wed - Parizhskaya Zhizn'
Thu - Real McCoy
Is that still up to date? Also, if yes, what are good alternatives to Parizhskaya Zhizn' on Mons and Weds?Thank you very much for the replies. I'm wondering which bars particularly are suitable for a gentleman of mid-40s vintage? Noisy or face-controlled clubs probably not the best option, I daresay?
Thank you very much for the replies. I'm wondering which bars particularly are suitable for a gentleman of mid-40s vintage? Noisy or face-controlled clubs probably not the best option, I daresay?
I'm in that age range and have never had a lack of female attention at any of these places. That said, I do take care of how I present myself (eventhough I'm hardly Brad Pitt). If you do the same, you should haven't any problems.
Of course all popular clubs filled with deffki are noisy, and if the girls are remotely attractive then face-control is a potential issue. I recently got faced with some friends at Che *and* Etazh on the same night (though it was late on a Saturday - weeknights aren't as much of an issue). If you're worried about getting in, go early. Sure, it might be a ghosttown, but it'll allow you to post up in a good location to maximize your view of the talent as it trickles in. That, and you'll have ample opportunity to lube yourself up, cast away all your inhibitions, and effectively execute the Moscow club mating ritual - walking up and grabbing a deffka's ass uninvited.
El Kapitan
09-17-08, 13:51
Sorry for the blind post and I have started doing some reading but was hoping some of you could just give me direct recommendations.
I am staying in SAS Radisson and looking for sensual massage with HJ / BJ. I am not a full service guy.
Can anyone give recommended providers for in-room service?
Expected pricing?
Being able to "see" what I am ordering is important to me too! I've had too many "surprises" show up at the door so a pic is mandatory.
Thanks guys!
Doctor_Skank
09-18-08, 08:48
Of course all popular clubs filled with deffki are noisy, and if the girls are remotely attractive then face-control is a potential issue. I recently got faced with some friends at Che *and* Etazh on the same night (though it was late on a Saturday - weeknights aren't as much of an issue). If you're worried about getting in, go early. Sure, it might be a ghosttown, but it'll allow you to post up in a good location to maximize your view of the talent as it trickles in. That, and you'll have ample opportunity to lube yourself up, cast away all your inhibitions, and effectively execute the Moscow club mating ritual - walking up and grabbing a deffka's ass uninvited.Cough cough. It happens. I recently got faced at Che and Etazh on a Saturday night too, but I am pretty sure it was because of the guys I was with. :)
There is no sure method to "beat" face control. Sometimes the security just doesn't like your face. I remember once I was talking on my phone outside Karma Bar and watched the doormen face a group of babes and then let a group pf trolls in. Huh?
Also, larger groups may have it harder than smaller groups, especially if the club is full or the male-female ratio is askew. 4 guys trying to get in will have it harder than 2 groups of 2. In my opinion the best mix is 2 guys.
2 guys = will spend money.
BTW, on that Saturday night Tunnel, PJs and from what I could tell from the OUTSIDE Che were all pretty terrible in terms of girl quality. Sorry Babushka was a little better, but basically every club we went to was a sausage fest. Unfortunately this is getting to be more and more the case in Moscow. The days of 75-80% women are over. In most cases, the best you can hope for now is 50-50, and this seems to be true for all clubs from demokratichny to elitny.
Thursday is still my favorite club night.
Taking a large swig, she then proceeds to blow the entire mouthful into my face, coating me as well as my Zegna suit. I'm completely dumbfounded. What did I do to this girl to deserve this? Out loud, I say, "That's never happened to me before." Olya's smug smile transforms into an intent stare right before she bitchslaps me across the face, cutting my lip in the process. That's beautiful. You handled it better than I would have. I think I would have cried. Or kneed her in the twat.
Black Bltjones
09-19-08, 00:22
Hello Gents.
Any of you destinguished gentlemen know of any hot, smoking AND delicious duos working in Moscow.
It would be a first for me and if I try it - it just HAS to be in Moscow. Know what I mean?
There are some here: http://www.intimlife.ru/podrugki/
Don't understand Russian though - and they need to speak at least a little English. Any exp. on the site?
Help will be much appreciated.
Black Bltjones
Stravinsky
09-19-08, 14:55
I was wandering through sextalk.ru and stumbled upon a discussion thread for Night Flight. This was interesting because the local guys hardly ever write about NF, it's a little like Disneyland for them. Reading through the discussion, I discovered there was a post on the thread from a Moderator for sextalk.ru, so I imagine this guy speaks with some authority. I thought he offered some interesting observations and insight into a place that we all know about and most of us have been to at least once or twice.
This report was posted on Jan. 9, 2008. Editor's note: the local guys in Moscow refer to a working girl as a "fairy".
Hardly more than two months ago, my girlfriend and I, along with one of our acquaintances, were leaving a club upon the termination of one of our glamorous evenings and were temporarily puzzled as to what we should do next. We did not think long, however, since our acquaintance, having taken an interest, asked how long it had been since we were in "Night Flight", and suggested we try it out. No sooner said than done, 15 minutes later, we were entering the club.
We encountered the club as usual. Once inside, we had a few beers, and shared our impressions with each other of the evening so far. So, after our 3rd (or 4th?) 0.5-liter, our acquaintance, enjoying the surrounding atmosphere (and it is possible, duly influenced by it) declared his desire, without hesitation, to take away a fairy from this "legendary" night club. A minute or two later, a very beautiful asiatochka (and I have seen them in my life - the same and even more beautiful) was already smartly carrying on the negotiations with him. We only had time to finish off our 5th (or 4th?) 0.5 liters of beer as our friend with the asiatochka has come to an agreement for 8,000 rubles for the night. Having made payment, we leave the club. I, with my girl friend, went to "Byelii Medvyed" and our acquaintance has carried away the asiatochka to his home.
He called in the morning to give me a long sob story that this daughter of the Korean and the Uzbek (or Kirghizes, the Kazakh woman - any more I do not remember) gave him a blow job exclusively with a condom on. She assumed the position for sex half-heartedly and in general, after 1,5 - 2 hours began to gather together her things to go home. In answer to his very reasonable question, "What the hell do you think you're doing?", she responds that the whole night costs 1,500 green ones [dollars] and not a kopeck less.
So, it is ever thus. Therefore, it is necessary to remember that it is better to stipulate everything in detail and in advance - specifying all of your preferences (perversions, needs and so forth) so that they will be executed properly by the "Night Flight" fairy. Whether your understanding is correct and the price accepted by you is the price for the whole night. I understand that from the above-stated situation, nobody is insured - but nevertheless.
And still - a little bit, IMHO, about the situation in "Night Flight" (it is exclusive from my personal experience). The place ("central", "legendary", supported mainly by foreigners, with the rigid face-control of the avenue [Tverskaya]) promotes that, the prices, which the local fairies are reporting to sextalk.ru , have not even the slightest relation to the quality of service they provide. Most likely, these prices develop exclusively from the fairies' own level of conceit or vanity and their particular individual understanding of that, and correspond with how much each one considers she can charge at any given point in time (I suppose that, day by day, this parameter is capable of changing).
There is, in general, a very big risk that the concept of "the fairy of the higher price category", with reference to the fairies of "Night Flight", will more likely indicate the COMPLETE OPPOSITE - the higher the declared price, the greater the conceit of the fairy, and consequently, the lower quality of service.
Certainly, exceptions happen. But they are rare (For example, it is possible to negotiate for 300 green ones, instead of for 500). But, first - it is necessary to negotiate, secondly (as the experience of my acquaintance has shown) this too is not the fact...). Yes, into the account of the starting price - be ready for this, that they are completely able to declare 500 Euros instead of Dollars (which is exactly how they began to negotiate with my acquaintance).
You should try "Night Flight" once or twice, because then, you will quickly realize that there is nothing present in this club that is out of the ordinary. It will particularly reinforce your understanding after that, of how you compare the quality and services of the "Night Flight" fairies with the fairies who charge 2500 - 3000 rubles for an hour (reports of which are more than enough on sextalk.ru).
But this is my personal point of view and I impose it on no one.
Doctor_Skank
09-19-08, 15:00
I was wandering through sextalk.ru and stumbled upon a discussion thread for Night Flight. This was interesting because the local guys hardly ever write about NF, it's a little like Disneyland for them. Reading through the discussion, I discovered there was a post on the thread from a Moderator for sextalk.ru, so I imagine this guy speaks with some authority. I thought he offered some interesting observations and insight into a place that we all know about and most of us have been to at least once or twice.
This report was posted on Jan. 9, 2008. Editor's note: the local guys in Moscow refer to a working girl as a "fairy".
Hardly more than two months ago, my girlfriend and I, along with one of our acquaintances, were leaving a club upon the termination of one of our glamorous evenings and were temporarily puzzled as to what we should do next. We did not think long, however, since our acquaintance, having taken an interest, asked how long it had been since we were in "Night Flight", and suggested we try it out. No sooner said than done, 15 minutes later, we were entering the club.
We encountered the club as usual. Once inside, we had a few beers, and shared our impressions with each other of the evening so far. So, after our 3rd (or 4th?) 0.5-liter, our acquaintance, enjoying the surrounding atmosphere (and it is possible, duly influenced by it) declared his desire, without hesitation, to take away a fairy from this "legendary" night club. A minute or two later, a very beautiful asiatochka (and I have seen them in my life - the same and even more beautiful) was already smartly carrying on the negotiations with him. We only had time to finish off our 5th (or 4th?) 0.5 liters of beer as our friend with the asiatochka has come to an agreement for 8,000 rubles for the night. Having made payment, we leave the club. I, with my girl friend, went to "Byelii Medvyed" and our acquaintance has carried away the asiatochka to his home.
He called in the morning to give me a long sob story that this daughter of the Korean and the Uzbek (or Kirghizes, the Kazakh woman - any more I do not remember) gave him a blow job exclusively with a condom on. She assumed the position for sex half-heartedly and in general, after 1,5 - 2 hours began to gather together her things to go home. In answer to his very reasonable question, "What the hell do you think you're doing?", she responds that the whole night costs 1,500 green ones [dollars] and not a kopeck less.
So, it is ever thus. Therefore, it is necessary to remember that it is better to stipulate everything in detail and in advance - specifying all of your preferences (perversions, needs and so forth) so that they will be executed properly by the "Night Flight" fairy. Whether your understanding is correct and the price accepted by you is the price for the whole night. I understand that from the above-stated situation, nobody is insured - but nevertheless.
And still - a little bit, IMHO, about the situation in "Night Flight" (it is exclusive from my personal experience). The place ("central", "legendary", supported mainly by foreigners, with the rigid face-control of the avenue [Tverskaya]) promotes that, the prices, which the local fairies are reporting to sextalk.ru , have not even the slightest relation to the quality of service they provide. Most likely, these prices develop exclusively from the fairies' own level of conceit or vanity and their particular individual understanding of that, and correspond with how much each one considers she can charge at any given point in time (I suppose that, day by day, this parameter is capable of changing).
There is, in general, a very big risk that the concept of "the fairy of the higher price category", with reference to the fairies of "Night Flight", will more likely indicate the COMPLETE OPPOSITE - the higher the declared price, the greater the conceit of the fairy, and consequently, the lower quality of service.
Certainly, exceptions happen. But they are rare (For example, it is possible to negotiate for 300 green ones, instead of for 500). But, first - it is necessary to negotiate, secondly (as the experience of my acquaintance has shown) this too is not the fact...). Yes, into the account of the starting price - be ready for this, that they are completely able to declare 500 Euros instead of Dollars (which is exactly how they began to negotiate with my acquaintance).
You should try "Night Flight" once or twice, because then, you will quickly realize that there is nothing present in this club that is out of the ordinary. It will particularly reinforce your understanding after that, of how you compare the quality and services of the "Night Flight" fairies with the fairies who charge 2500 - 3000 rubles for an hour (reports of which are more than enough on sextalk.ru).
But this is my personal point of view and I impose it on no one.Fantastic find Strav. I just RoD'd it.
Maybe Vika and Lena ought to have a read?
Gentleman Travel
09-19-08, 15:09
So it is finally happening, the great financial meltdown has reached Russia.
The stock market has lost 64% of its value and oil prices are down 35%
since July. That has got to hurt somebody, especially oligarchs! Well done, Vlad & Dmitri!
I just wonder how much ordinary or middle-class Russians are leveraged through credit? I have the impression that is not nearly so common in Russia as in the US. If so, then the ordinary Russian executive/salaryman is not going to be losing his shirt, but perhaps will no longer be able to afford to buy new clothes for girlfriends. And I guess they always had the "live for today" approach, so there will little security to help them weather the storm.
Hopefully this is the first step to a cooling of the overheated Russian economy that will trickle down to the price of dyevs (eventually).
Even so, I agree with Skank, that dyevs will not be immediately price-sensitive, if they have been pedalling themselves for $X (in cash or presents) they are not suddenly going to start going down-market for $½X, at least not until they are cold and hungry and reduced to wearing last year's fashions.
But they may be reminded that the reason their sisters were chasing Western men (and the prospect of a new life in the West) a few years ago was not all about money, but about personal and financial security, as well. They can see now how fragile their economic bubble was...
Surely we should praise Comrade Putin for bringing mutual fear and loathing back to East-West relations? This will scare all the weak-kneed romance tourists away and leave the field free for hard-core mongers!
Also, I think Russia may be in for a downturn. I was at a really interesting conference last week that linked the anticipated slowdown in the US real estate market to a general American/western slowdown, spilling over into China & India which export 90% of their finished goods to the US, taking the heat out of Russian oil & gas (and other resource) demand/markets. Result? Minting fewer new Russian millionaires and billionaires (and surely many of those must be houses of cards) and leaving more starving dyevs for the rest of us...
Stravinsky
09-19-08, 15:31
Doc,
I thought it was interesting that even the local guys can get burned in NF. So, what chance does some poor schmuck have, in Moscow for the first time, no fluency in Russian, no idea of how the game is played and yet dazzled by his first vision of the NF babes? They will clean him to the bone like piranhas...
GT,
My last couple of trips to Moscow, I have been amazed at the number of new cars on the roads. The Volgas, Zhigulis and Ladas have been relegated to the suburbs and replaced by a brand new fleet of foreign cars. My Muscovite friends tell me this is all because of the advent of credit. The car loan has become very popular in Moscow, and, most of the cars on the road today are bought with borrowed money.
I doubt if the guys at the top will feel anything more than a light breeze from the banking crisis. They are much too well insulated from these kinds of events. But, we can always hope that if the babes at NF are faced with the repossession of their beautiful new Merc, they may decide that any cash in hand is better than nothing. At that point, hopefully, sex will become a volume business again.
Doctor_Skank
09-19-08, 17:35
Doc,
I thought it was interesting that even the local guys can get burned in NF. So, what chance does some poor schmuck have, in Moscow for the first time, no fluency in Russian, no idea of how the game is played and yet dazzled by his first vision of the NF babes? They will clean him to the bone like piranhas...
QFT.
I think even more interesting is the fact that the experienced Russian monger:
A) assumed negotiated price was for all night
B) assumed the BBBJ was standard
C) came to the conclusion often posted on this board that more $$$ doesn't mean better service
It suggests that NF is the anamoly we here have always claimed it to be.
Also found it interesting that 8000 rubles was the negotiated price, which is fairly low for NF standards (roughly $300).
BTW, from what I hear there is a very large amount of boobjob girls plying their trade at NF. Popularity of plastic surgery in Moscow supposedly rivals Southern California now. Can't say that is progress, let's hope they keep it low key.
But since when did Russians ever do anything low key? )))
I just wonder how much ordinary or middle-class Russians are leveraged through credit? I have the impression that is not nearly so common in Russia as in the US. If so, then the ordinary Russian executive/salaryman is not going to be losing his shirt, but perhaps will no longer be able to afford to buy new clothes for girlfriends. And I guess they always had the "live for today" approach, so there will little security to help them weather the storm....Strav is right, getting credit for cars and apartments is very easy in Russia and "everybody" is doing it.
And no... saving for a rainy day is not a Russian concept. There are a lot of people living above their means in Russia. In many ways, Russians are very American in their lack of financial caution. That and the new found love of boobjobs.
Curiously enough, pretty much ONLY the super rich and oligarchs are the ones with financial sense. They were the first to switch from savings in dollars to Euros and they are the ones putting a large chunk of their investments and personal fortunes into investments outside of Russia. A collapsing economy will paradoxically affect them the least. At the most, it'll make their lives in Russia cheaper and give them even more financial clout.
A collapse would however (as you previously stated) eventually mean more humane prices for us.
Passepartout
09-19-08, 19:35
Guys,
I wrote a report on NF few months ago on the same girl, mi-korean mo-uzbeck or kazakh, with a really bad attitude, who also told me (i was a newbie in moscow) that the price was for the night;
Same awful covered blow-job, same 1 position only, same departure after 1 hour...
If someone knows or goes to NF it would be nice to report this fact to the owner.
Doctor_Skank
09-20-08, 00:31
Skank as always thinks he is clever and the rest are stupid... Come down to Earth. You hang about the country for so many years and still have no glue about what people here are.I really have no glue, it's true.
Curiously enough, pretty much ONLY the super rich and oligarchs are the ones with financial sense. They were the first to switch from savings in dollars to Euros and they are the ones putting a large chunk of their investments and personal fortunes into investments outside of Russia. A collapsing economy will paradoxically affect them the least. At the most, it'll make their lives in Russia cheaper and give them even more financial clout.And you think this isn't the case? Explain.
Skank as always thinks he is clever and the rest are stupid... Come down to Earth. You hang about the country for so many years and still have no glue about what people here are.What happened? I thought you and Doc Skank were pals. Anyway, I'm impressed you can understand Doc's economical analysis in English, as it's not your first language.
Doc - work on that glue.
Helena Moscow
09-20-08, 00:43
I really have no glue, it's true.And you think this isn't the case? Explain.
We learned a lot from the past. Most of Russians are well prepared for the crisis and well aware of possible problems as well as possible benefits. We were even waiting for it, each year asked: when? when? We are even happy about it ;) So many people know that there was time to make money and after crisis comes time to buy that I'm afraid life will probably not get too cheap here any more... (we still hope it will). By the way, huge persentage of Russians on average level have property, bank accounts and residenships in other coutries. Many people after 1998 didn't keep money in one currency, but in 3 or 4, and in payments long ago switched to euro. I stayed a lot abroad and can't say that average forigners have more financial sense than most of Russians I know. In a way European system is more comfortable than ours, we lack some instruments, it's true, but people are not stupid and no more live just "today".
Doctor_Skank
09-20-08, 00:52
We learned a lot from the past. Most of Russians are well-prepared for the crisis and well-aware of possible problems as well as possibilities. We even were waiting for it, each year asked: when? when? We are even happy about it ;) Because there was time to work and after crisis comes time to buy. By the way, huge persentage of Russians on average level have property, bank accounts and residenships in other coutries. Many of people after 1998 didn't keep money in one currency, but in 3 or four, and in payments switched to euro. I stayed a lot abroad and can't say that forigners have more financial sense than most of Russians I know. We lack some instruments, it's true, but people are not stupid and no more live just "today".I hope you are right, but speaking of my Russian friends, many of them took out large loans, for local property in particular. Very few have property in foreign countries, and they are what you would call upper middle class. 30-40 years old, top management. Typical BMW and Mercedes drivers, going to fancy restaurants to show off, taking elaborate holidays. But yet not really rich, just with good cash flow.
Among my oligarch/millionaire contacts/friends with serious money, ALL of them have invested significantly in foreign countries. Property. Stock. Kids even sent to schools in Europe or the US.
I agree that Russians are very cautious in the sense that they believe that another collapse could possibly come, however as a Muscovite you must know that it is easy to get credit for cars, holidays, furniture, property... and many people do. Should the economy slow down, property values fall and investment slow, many people will have problems keeping up with their payments. It isn't a Russian problem per se, but rather one in any modern economy.
but people are not stupid and no more live just "today".I know a lot of Russian people, particularly the young 20-25, who live for today. They literally wear hyper-expensive clothes but need to beg for money to buy phone credit. They won't be faced with serious debt at that age, but are developing bad habits in terms of credit and financial foresight. Again, by no means just a Russian problem, but one that Russia is not immune to as well.
Stravinsky
09-20-08, 04:13
Is it just me? Or are we missing a post from Helena, somewhere...
Skank as always thinks he is clever and the rest are stupid... Come down to Earth. You hang about the country for so many years and still have no glue about what people here are.
Doctor_Skank
09-20-08, 08:57
Is it just me? Or are we missing a post from Helena, somewhere...Yeah, it mysteriously disappeared, but thankfully it will forever be preserved for posterity as a quote.
I suppose the Russian tendency to overspend is being heightened by the current financial crisis. If banks and shares are collapsing, you're far better off being the debtor than the asset owner. When bankruptcy comes, you don't care as you just spent other people's cash having a great time.
... That and the new found love of boobjobs ...
This could be a serious investment, not just consumer spending :)
Cough cough. It happens. I recently got faced at Che and Etazh on a Saturday night too, but I am pretty sure it was because of the guys I was with. :)
There is no sure method to "beat" face control. Sometimes the security just doesn't like your face. I remember once I was talking on my phone outside Karma Bar and watched the doormen face a group of babes and then let a group pf trolls in. Huh?
Also, larger groups may have it harder than smaller groups, especially if the club is full or the male-female ratio is askew. 4 guys trying to get in will have it harder than 2 groups of 2. In my opinion the best mix is 2 guys.
2 guys = will spend money.
I rarely get faced - usually only when I have a date in tow who looks provincial, or I arrive with more than 2 people in my crew.
There's no sure way to beat face control, but I usually employ the following method with success:
- approach with confidence, like you fully expect to get in
- if they give you the "tolko po klubnoy kartochke" bullshit, then strike up a conversation with the okhranik and try to show you have some game (humor, etc)
- if that fails, discreetly slip the guy a 500R note
On my last visit to Che (after midnight on a Friday), I had to employ the last technique, but with 1000R instead (I was out of 500s - ouch). But the joint was packed with cuties, so in the end, it was worth it. IMO - Che these days is superior to PJ's, Karma or RMC in terms of talent. And the tight confines lend itself to picking up easily. Last visit, I was grinding on the dance floor with a big-titted hottie within 2 minutes of arrival.
Flexxx Yap
09-20-08, 18:04
Ilona is an amazing woman!
First I was really surprised by her similarity with the photo: very slim waist, long slender legs, sporty beautiful body, pleasant soft skin, model looks. I was astonished by her beauty and height, she seemed a model, as she said her height was 180 meters high, and she looked like that. To all that she was very playful, sweet and attentive to me, real diamond I need to say, We met for a night and she came to my hotel in a beautiful evening dress, so that I even needed to change as she was very elegant and stunning. She was fantastic in bed and as a smart interesting woman. To all this she has very beautiful big eyes, sexy lips, which she can use very skillfully, as I discovered later. We had a trip by her car, she told me a lot about Moscow, then we ate in a restaurant and when we came back, she gave me fabulous massage, I got excited at the very beginning of the meeting and couldn’t wait to be close, that was fun, she was very passionate and temperament, seemed really enjoying our sex, not just working. Also very tender, has a soft and erotic touch, in general, the best escort girl I have ever met, I decided at once to write about this diamond, such a beauty and sweetie and working in escort, that’s amazing!
Her site is : http://www.vipelegantescort.org
I suppose the Russian tendency to overspend is being heightened by the current financial crisis. If banks and shares are collapsing, you're far better off being the debtor than the asset owner. When bankruptcy comes, you don't care as you just spent other people's cash having a great time.
As it stands, the crisis seems to be mostly restricted to the stock market. The problem for companies is, liquidity is drying up as the risk managers at the major banks rarely have an understanding of Russia that goes beyond the pathetically biased CNN coverage of the Ossetian conflict. I understand there is a global financial crisis, but there is no justification for the likes of Gazprom trading at 4 times P/E and sometimes even less. (Gazprom may not be the best example because of its appetite for bonds, but there are even better offers for top-20 outfits at 3 times P/E.)
That is unparalleled even within the Emerging Markets context, and despite the falling oil price the Russian economy is much safer than many others. Russia has enormous foreign currency reserves, healthy growth, political stability (which, I know, comes at a price) and consumer spending remains high. The RF govt even adapts the tax on oil exports to market conditions, with a higher percentage charged when oil prices are high and a discount when they are low.
The problem, as I see it, are not Russian debtors. The problem is American mortgages and clueless investment bankers (and this comes from someone within the financial profession). Just look what the IMF and World Bank, with zero understanding of local culture, did to the Russian economy in the early 90s.
In short, as a FT reader recently put it, "the cause is clear: one group of people with no idea what they were dealing with christened their output 'asset'; a second group with even less than no idea rated it; and then it was sold not only to harmless customers, but even within the first group itself."
Rant over. :)
Now for a question. Can someone currently within Russia tell me the number for a SMS to Mamba to get extended search? (If you are outside Russia, the number is not displayed on the site. I want to try to send that SMS from Skype. From what I remember all you have to put into the SMS is your personal numerical code, which I will be able to find out.)
Webmoney and Yandex are a real pain to use when you are outside of Russia (no paying in by card). I wonder how others handle that problem.
If Skype won't work out, and if anyone currently within Russia/the Ukraine wants to get membership, I can pay for that if they send a few SMS (below cost of membership of course) on my behalf.
I rarely get faced - usually only when I have a date in tow who looks provincial, or I arrive with more than 2 people in my crew.
At least back in the autumn/winter of 2006, I mostly went on my own, and rarely had problems. Big difference to places like London, where single guys were viewed with a great deal of suspicion.
Is there a general consensus that face control has become stricter over the last two years?
Why on earth would a place like Che have face control? I can understand the glam clubs like Diaghilev and Krisha having it, but isn't Che essentially a student hang out?
AColonizer
09-21-08, 14:56
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Helena Moscow
09-21-08, 16:50
Why on earth would a place like Che have face control? I can understand the glam clubs like Diaghilev and Krisha having it, but isn't Che essentially a student hang out?
Face control is done to make a target group feel comfortable. If the club is designed as a student hang out, the stuff will probably limitate the amount of guys in suits. Just not to break the atmosphere. May be not exactly like that, but a sort of...
Has anyone been to a Moscow swinger club?
Doctor_Skank
09-21-08, 17:43
Why on earth would a place like Che have face control? I can understand the glam clubs like Diaghilev and Krisha having it, but isn't Che essentially a student hang out?Che isn't a student hangout, it's target audience is the emerging middle class. They let in foreigners usually without much trouble, but deny just enough to make the place "desirably semi-elite".
Most Russians in there (and the majority of patrons are Russian) are working normal jobs with decent incomes. I would guess average age of patrons to be between 25-40.
Once when I went with a girlfriend there she had to show ID to prove her age, they thought she was too young, so they seem to target a more mature crowd then the clubs that let in everybody.
There are any number of reasons for clubs to have face control, the main ones being security, getting the right mix of type of person, getting the right mix of men and women and most importantly, maintaining the club's status.
Essentially EVERY club has some sort of face control and as previously stated, it can be very unpredictable. Even at elite clubs you'll find trolls or people where you ask yourself "how the hell did he/she/it get in here".
Passepartout
09-21-08, 18:00
CHE face control is logical as the club is rather small.
To be honest, I know a little the doormen, so I have never been faced unless I arrive after 1.00PM when the club is already crowded and full. But I have also to admit that the face control is more and more difficult here.
It is not such an issue since this is the best pre-party club in town.
Action starts with the live concert at 23.30 and if at 1.30 i didn't score, i consider that i have to go to another club like vodka bar, fabrique, or... hot dog.
So my advice for che is to arrive just a little before 23.30 and you won'tegt any problem to get in.
Doctor_Skank
09-21-08, 18:45
"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
-Groucho Marx
Just a thought... :)
Stravinsky
09-21-08, 20:05
"When I was in Moscow, I balled a Russian babe in my pajamas.
How she got in my pajamas, I'll never know..."
Groucho Marxa
(sorry, couldn't resist)
May I chime in with a question ? :)
How much do a mojito or a Corona cost in a place like Che ?
Do people (girls) drink Baltika or vodka in this kind of middle-to-upper class venues or only cocktails and imported beers ?
Doctor_Skank
09-22-08, 09:42
May I chime in with a question ? :)
How much do a mojito or a Corona cost in a place like Che ?
Do people (girls) drink Baltika or vodka in this kind of middle-to-upper class venues or only cocktails and imported beers ?I cannot remember specifically about Che, however here are my general observations.
* Corona will cost an average of 150-250 rubles per bottle.
* A cocktail will usually run about 250-350 rubles.
* Local beer averages 100-150 rubles for 0,5 l.
Depending on the venue, you may or may not find women drinking local beer, or beer at all. Generally speaking, the more upscale the place the less beer will be drunk by girls. Personally I love it when girls drink beer, but regrettably less and less do. The more studenty, the more beer (or cheap alternatives for getting drunk) will be popular.
Vodka isn't particularly popular among girls as it is considered a low-class or uncool drink by many (particularly Moscuvites, provincial girls haven't been brainwashed against vodka yet), however if you want to go with hard liquor they do like just about anything else. Especially tequila and Sambuca are popular, but so is whisky, rum or cognac. Cocktails are as expected the most popular... and most expensive. Probably the most important factor in a girl's drink choice is "who's buying?". Girls on their own will often "milk" a single drink for a long time to save money until a generous "real man" comes along to assist. ))) Some groups of girls have enough free cash to have their own party however and you'll find many groups of girls getting tipsy. Here again they seem to choose just about any drink except beer and vodka.
There are ways to try to save money when going out to bars, cafes and clubs in Moscow, but there is no avoiding spending money.
Here some average costs:
* meeting in cafe for two, coffee and either salad or dessert: 1200 rubles ($50)
* light dinner for two with drinks: 3000 rubles ($120)
* heavy dinner for two with drinks and additional courses: 4500 rubles ($180)
* night clubbing at one club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks bought for others, taxis, entrance fee: 2500 rubles ($100)
* heavy night clubbing at multiple clubs with multiple drinks for self, some drinks for others, taxis and entrance fees: 4500 rubles ($180)
So yes, freebies aren't free. )))
Some tips to save money:
* don't order wine at dinner, or if you do make sure you choose and she doesn't automatically go for the most expensive one
* do your dating at cafes and not at dinners
* use the metro for your daytime and evening travelling, at night taxi only real option
* don't drink so much... :)
here are my general observations.
Doc, thanks for the elaborate answer. For a heavy club drinker and a incurable late-night partier such as myself Moscow seems financially suicidal. :(
Personally I love it when girls drink beer, but regrettably less and less do.
One of the GREAT things about Tashkent is that girls almost never drink LIITs, B52s, Flying Bikinis, Mojitos or other expensive shits but beer or vodka, and are perfectly happy with that. Even in the most upscale and hippest venues like Basha or KTKomba I've never been asked for anything else than Baltika (they don't care about imported beers), vodka shots plus fruit juice or soda, or the occasional Red Bull.
Nothing is more sexy and appealing than a 8 or a 9 drinking Baltika from the bottle !! :)
Long-neck beer costs 5000 soums ($3.5) in Tashkent glam clubs BTW, and vodka shot 2000 soums.
Doctor_Skank
09-22-08, 11:01
Doc, thanks for the elaborate answer. For a heavy drinker and a incurable late-night partier such as myself Moscow seems financially suicidal. :(
One of the GREAT things about Tashkent is that girls almost never drink LIITs, B52s, Flying Bikinis, imported beer or other expensive shit but Baltika or vodka, and are perfectly happy with that. Even in the most upscale and hippest venues like basha or KTKomba I've never been asked for anything else than beer or vodka shots.
Nothing is more sexy and appealing than a 8 or a 9 drinking Baltika from the bottle !! :)I agree with you 110%, and in Russian provinces it is essentially the same... however according to my observations in Moscow (at least in the middle to upper class clubs/bars) beer and vodka are out, at least among girls.
I'm a fairly heavy club drinker myself, so lesser thirsty party-goers may spend less than me...
I'm not sure whether or not it is because they don't like it or if it is because when in public they'd rather drink something more fashionable.
In my experience the same non-beer and non-vodka drinking girls are happy to drink beer or vodka while cuddling on the sofa in pre-poking grope-time.
I'll try not to lose sleep over it and continue to stock my fridge with beer and vodka.... :)
Monday in Kiev was back to back business meetings. My stomach was feeling much better and I was getting my strength back [after a bad case of Turkmenbashi's revenge]. I got the airport at 7:30 PM for a 9:40 PM flight and soon on my way back to Moscow. On the plane, I met a gorgeous blond named Vika who got on and sat in the window seat in my row just before the door closed. My initial thought was, “oh sure, another rich spoiled Russian Blondnika” who prances onto the plane at the last moment and think she owns the place. I had the aisle so there was just the two of us. She was really stunning and Ilar, who was sitting in the aisle seat across from me, kept needling me to make a move on her. That’s not usually my style so I just sort of laughed it off. When the drinks cart came around she ordered a shot of Garilka (Ukrainian vodka) so I followed suit and just before drinking I offered a toast just to be polite. This turned out to be a great ice breaker as she got very chatty. She said she did not speak any English but could understand some as she is an international lawyer working for a firm in Moscow. I asked if she had been in Kiev for the weekend as well, but she told me that she had been in Tbilisi (Republic of Georgia) for the weekend and that direct travel between Georgia and Russia was pretty limited these days, hence the connection in Kiev. One shot led to two, and two led to three and pretty soon we were both pretty chatty.
She was a Russian citizen as she declined the usual landing card for foreigners so I am guessing that she might have Georgian relatives. In any case, we started chatting about Moscow and asked her which her favorite night club was. She said she didn’t do night clubs much and preferred Jazz clubs. On the subject of restaurants she told me her favorite was Ginitsvalli, so there MUST have been some sort of Georgian connection. One thing led to another and she agreed to have dinner with me on Tuesday night as she did not go back to work until Wednesday. She gave me her phone number and agreed to the date. When we landed, we walked together down to the immigration in SVO-1 and split as she walked into the line for Russian citizens. All this time Ildar has his mouth hanging open and offering new found respect for my pick up abilities.
The flight arrived just after 12:00 midnight and immigration was quick and easy. Ildar’s driver was waiting outside so in moments we were headed into town. Ildar had an early meeting on Tuesday so he declined my offer to hook up with Pizdyets at Itazsh. It wasn’t until I got out of the car that I realized that I had left my Russian mobile phone on the fucking plane. Damnit. I still had my US Blackberry with me so I wasn’t incommunicado, but Vika’s number was on that phone!!!!!! Double damnit.
Pizdyets and I had a few drinks back at Itazsh and decided to relocate to Hot Dogs to check out the action. I honestly can’t remember the name of the girl I dragged home that night or what I paid her because I was so pissed off that I lost my stupid phone with Vika’s number on it. She probably sat home Tuesday night and cursed that stupid Americanits for not calling her.
But speaking of Hot Dogs, it was pretty dead on that Monday night. Pizdyets and I agreed that we would have one beer (maybe two) and then give some serious thought to hitting one of the salons. There was a brunette sitting next to us at the bar that I gave a passing glance and a smile to but that was about it. The rugby was on TV so we chatted and laughed about my “shitty” weekend in Kiev and decided one more beer would not hurt. For no particular reason, I turned to the gal next to me and asked if I could buy her a drink. She asked for a shot of Red Label which immediately got my attention as most of the girls (as you all know) tend to shy away from whiskey while they are working. There was something a bit shy and non-aggressive about this girl, which was not what I was in the mood for considering how pissed off I was about losing Vika’s number. Screw the phone – I wanted that NUMBER!!!!
Luckily, a stereotypical “dirty girl” materialized and soon Pizdyets and I were sitting at the table with the two of them discussing the price of tea in China. Dirty Girl kept telling me “pashlee, pashlee” (let’s get outta here) so when Pizdyets and Whisky Girl got up to dance we made a move to my apartment and she punished me for losing Vika’s phone number. Whip me – beat me – make me write bad checks…….
NOTE: I will post this in both the Ukraine thread and the Moscow thread as it’s a lead-in to the rest of the week in Moscow.
however according to my observations in Moscow (at least in the middle to upper class clubs/bars) beer and vodka are out, at least among girls.
I totally concur. If you're walking in a park, they'll agree to drink beer with you, but both vodka/beer are eschewed in the club unless there are no other options.
BTW, a mojito in Chikivara (local speak for Che) costs 400R, at least on weekends.
I'm a fairly heavy club drinker myself, so lesser thirsty party-goers may spend less than me...
Yup... I don't leave home without at least 15K in my pocket, and that's with no intention for p4p. Forget about my liver - that's reason enough to stop drinking.
Recently had a first date with a 20 y.o. ballerina/studentka (we met at Che). She's tall, blonde, super tight body, great legs, shapely ass, cute face with rosy cheeks and has a super smile. I really wanted to get into her pants, so went for a walk in the park, then took her to a high-end seafood restaurant, ordered just about the cheapest wine on the menu (2800R), 2 starters, 2 mains, then proceeded to a trendy bar for postprandial cocktails. Total was 12K ($480) but I still didn't close the deal. Mind you that I can afford it and the 7 hours of conversation was surprisingly scintillating, but it has made me reassess the meaning of "freebie" when I could have outcalled a HotDog girl I met previously and spent half of that.
Recently had a first date with a 20 y.o. ballerina/studentka (we met at Che). She's tall, blonde, super tight body, great legs, shapely ass, cute face with rosy cheeks and has a super smile.
Yes, I can corroborate the physical description if she's the same on from Wednesday night. I was wondering how all of that went. You're full invested now buddy - stay the course until you close the deal. In for a penny - in for pound.
After an uneventful pub crawl with some expat Brits, I hooked up with Pizdyets and Solntsa Yada last Wednesday night at Che around midnight. I was my first time in Che and it was shoulder to shoulder standing room. Within a few minutes, this girl in her late 20's makes eye contact with me and starts coming my way. Solntsa Yada intercepts her and she tells him in English that she wants to meet me but SY decides that she's a "3" at best and sends her on her way. The fact of the matter is that there were quite a few girls there that night you would not exactly consider pretty. And they had to be there for only one reason.
For the rest on the night she's giving me the eye from across the bar and, while I agree with Solnsta Yada, she wasn't very good looking but there was something strangely attractive about her. It's like looking at a solar eclipse - you know it's not going to be good for you, but you can't look away. She had jet black hair with dark eyes and really full lips - almost like they had been injected.
Once Pizdyets and Solntsa Yada got tangled up with the Blond Beauty and her friend - The troll made a bee line to me and starts up some conversation. Turns out, her name was Nyuka and she's originally from Turkmenistan. She ran away from home several years ago in disgrace because she fucked a Russian boy and got pregnant. I told her that I had just been in Turkmenistan the previous week and that I thought that Turkmen girls were sexy because they were so unavailable. That seemed to have done the trick because were were out the door in record time. It was clear that this girl had been rejected by the most of the guys in the bar and needed sex badly.
I don't normally like to get into details but this girl was wild. Single Mom, from outta town, yada, yada, yada. She insisted on CBJ but at the very last moment rips off the condom and insists that I give her a "mask", as in "glaze the face". Holy cow, THAT was a little unexpected. Anyhow - it was clear that she had a itch that needed scratching. The funny thing was that she ate me out of house and home. My food supplies were dwindling but she damn near ate everything in the fridge. She was not fat (quite the contrary) but had one hell of an appetite (sexually and otherwise).
Anyhow - the moral of the story is that even the (seemingly) ugly girls need love too. There is a reason they don't get faced at Che.
You can get angry and violent with the girl and insist on the night if you're renting a flat. It's not like she can call the cops. Personally I wouldn't pay 8,000 rubles to fuck an Asian, unless they were Belarusian rubles. Taking her home gives you a bit of leeway that you would lack if you went to a place like Charmel.
I was wandering through sextalk.ru and stumbled upon a discussion thread for Night Flight. This was interesting because the local guys hardly ever write about NF, it's a little like Disneyland for them. Reading through the discussion, I discovered there was a post on the thread from a Moderator for sextalk.ru, so I imagine this guy speaks with some authority. I thought he offered some interesting observations and insight into a place that we all know about and most of us have been to at least once or twice.
This report was posted on Jan. 9, 2008. Editor's note: the local guys in Moscow refer to a working girl as a "fairy".
Hardly more than two months ago, my girlfriend and I, along with one of our acquaintances, were leaving a club upon the termination of one of our glamorous evenings and were temporarily puzzled as to what we should do next. We did not think long, however, since our acquaintance, having taken an interest, asked how long it had been since we were in "Night Flight", and suggested we try it out. No sooner said than done, 15 minutes later, we were entering the club.
We encountered the club as usual. Once inside, we had a few beers, and shared our impressions with each other of the evening so far. So, after our 3rd (or 4th?) 0.5-liter, our acquaintance, enjoying the surrounding atmosphere (and it is possible, duly influenced by it) declared his desire, without hesitation, to take away a fairy from this "legendary" night club. A minute or two later, a very beautiful asiatochka (and I have seen them in my life - the same and even more beautiful) was already smartly carrying on the negotiations with him. We only had time to finish off our 5th (or 4th?) 0.5 liters of beer as our friend with the asiatochka has come to an agreement for 8,000 rubles for the night. Having made payment, we leave the club. I, with my girl friend, went to "Byelii Medvyed" and our acquaintance has carried away the asiatochka to his home.
He called in the morning to give me a long sob story that this daughter of the Korean and the Uzbek (or Kirghizes, the Kazakh woman - any more I do not remember) gave him a blow job exclusively with a condom on. She assumed the position for sex half-heartedly and in general, after 1,5 - 2 hours began to gather together her things to go home. In answer to his very reasonable question, "What the hell do you think you're doing?", she responds that the whole night costs 1,500 green ones [dollars] and not a kopeck less.
So, it is ever thus. Therefore, it is necessary to remember that it is better to stipulate everything in detail and in advance - specifying all of your preferences (perversions, needs and so forth) so that they will be executed properly by the "Night Flight" fairy. Whether your understanding is correct and the price accepted by you is the price for the whole night. I understand that from the above-stated situation, nobody is insured - but nevertheless.
And still - a little bit, IMHO, about the situation in "Night Flight" (it is exclusive from my personal experience). The place ("central", "legendary", supported mainly by foreigners, with the rigid face-control of the avenue [Tverskaya]) promotes that, the prices, which the local fairies are reporting to sextalk.ru , have not even the slightest relation to the quality of service they provide. Most likely, these prices develop exclusively from the fairies' own level of conceit or vanity and their particular individual understanding of that, and correspond with how much each one considers she can charge at any given point in time (I suppose that, day by day, this parameter is capable of changing).
There is, in general, a very big risk that the concept of "the fairy of the higher price category", with reference to the fairies of "Night Flight", will more likely indicate the COMPLETE OPPOSITE - the higher the declared price, the greater the conceit of the fairy, and consequently, the lower quality of service.
Certainly, exceptions happen. But they are rare (For example, it is possible to negotiate for 300 green ones, instead of for 500). But, first - it is necessary to negotiate, secondly (as the experience of my acquaintance has shown) this too is not the fact...). Yes, into the account of the starting price - be ready for this, that they are completely able to declare 500 Euros instead of Dollars (which is exactly how they began to negotiate with my acquaintance).
You should try "Night Flight" once or twice, because then, you will quickly realize that there is nothing present in this club that is out of the ordinary. It will particularly reinforce your understanding after that, of how you compare the quality and services of the "Night Flight" fairies with the fairies who charge 2500 - 3000 rubles for an hour (reports of which are more than enough on sextalk.ru).
But this is my personal point of view and I impose it on no one.
You can get angry and violent with the girl and insist on the night if you're renting a flat. It's not like she can call the cops. Personally I wouldn't pay 8,000 rubles to fuck an Asian, unless they were Belarusian rubles. Taking her home gives you a bit of leeway that you would lack if you went to a place like Charmel.
Blaked - you should really lay off the Max Hardcore videos for a while, man. That shit ain't healthy. And don't be thinking you're immune to Russian krysha either. Sure, many of the NF girls are true freelancers, but you rough up the wrong girl, and you're in for a world o' hurt, precisely if you're renting a flat instead of staying in a hotel.
Solntsa Yada
09-22-08, 19:37
hi guys,
i need a very important confirmation about our favourite game:
in your real experiences in moscow and in russia, please only real statistics, the deepthroat swallow blowjob is usual with russian girls and prostitutes? because i found a lot of agencies offering that but i don't trust much in their replies!
please, help because this is very important for all us!hard to find for real, for dt i inquire each time, yet, little to no success, and when they say they can and try, they barely get halfway. as for swallowing, yes its more common, but problematic, you ask them to do so up front, they wont even give you the bbbj, you dont ask, and you'll watch it jet along your crab ladder or she'll have a tissue handy (or bolt for the bathroom)
has anyone been to a moscow swinger club?i can't say i have personal experience from joining in the fun, but i did attend a place at a request of a friend, to find out if it was indeed a swingers club or a fancy restaurant. it was a central bed, around 12ft diameter. with a balustrade around, a walk way around that, and approx 14 smaller rooms, with see through curtains, to watch the central show, or thick curtains to keep out peeps. cost was 5000rubs a guy, strict face control, 2500 a couple, free for women. food and drinks served by waitresses (25k for waitress participation) very indian/arabian look to the place, like a harem. near red gate metro.
Solntsa Yada
09-22-08, 19:54
Yes, I can corroborate the physical description if she's the same on from Wednesday night. I was wondering how all of that went. You're full invested now buddy - stay the course until you close the deal. In for a penny - in for pound.I find that the concept of freebee only works if you 'dont' include the first 2 dates.. I'm sitting pretty with a couple of nice 7's, if I have nothing to do, I message them around 9, that I'm coming home from work, I'd like to cuddle them before falling asleep, I stress.. no sex. I'm too tired, they NEVER let me get away with that. no cafe, no nightclub, no cost.
Solntsa Yada intercepts her and she tells him in English that she wants to meet me but SY decides that she's a "3" at best and sends her on her way. The fact of the matter is that there were quite a few girls there that night you would not exactly consider pretty. And they had to be there for only one reason. Sorry mate, didn't notice that she had her eye on you, I just turned her away from the group, as unattractive attention usually sets other girls a standard by which the rest of us get judged. That was rude of me.
I told her that I had just been in Turkmenistan the previous week and that I thought that Turkmen girls were sexy because they were so unavailable. That seemed to have done the trick because were were out the door in record time.Well done, getting what your keen on is more fun that getting the best in the place. I should have ignored Piz's advice and just taken the blonde 40yr old, she could have taught me something..
Well done, getting what your keen on is more fun that getting the best in the place. I should have ignored Piz's advice and just taken the blonde 40yr old, she could have taught me something..
Egad. I had tried to expunge her from my mental record but here you are bringing her up again. Ironically, she had her eye (and sad to admit - briefly her paws as well) on me, not you.
That is one hazard of Chikivara and other demokratichnie clubs - the 30ish single-mom secretaries/administrators who frequent the place are quite aggressive, often work in packs, and will actually cock-block if they get pissed enough (in both US and UK senses). As with encountering a stray dog in the park, it's best to avoid eye-contact with them entirely.
Egad. I had tried to expunge her from my mental record but here you are bringing her up again. Ironically, she had her eye (and sad to admit - briefly her paws as well) on me, not you.
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Ohhhh - Pizdyets you are sooo right. She wanted you bad. When you and SY first took the Banger Sisters up to dance, you should have seen the daggers from her eyes. I tried to stifle a laugh but she caught me she and wagged her finger at me. She would have hurt you bro.....
Sorry mate, didn't notice that she had her eye on you, I just turned her away from the group, as unattractive attention usually sets other girls a standard by which the rest of us get judged. That was rude of me.
No worries mate. But you forgot one of the cardinal rules of clubbing, when the ugly one comes over, let the old guy have her. It shows the younger girls that we have group compassion.
The one nice thing about taking the ugly ones home is that they KNOW what is expected.
I'm not sure whether or not it is because they don't like it or if it is because when in public they'd rather drink something more fashionable.
I think you are on to something here. I was out Friday (and and Thursday) night on a date with a Mamba-girl and she told me she NEVER drinks beer or vodka in public. For the Russian nouveau riche, it is far too common. We were in Cafe Don Pedro on 9, Pevchesky Per. around 1:00 AM cuddling on one of the couches upstairs when a group of Russians came in and ordered Vodka. They quickly got very loud and obnoxious really spoiling the ambiance. We decided to go somewhere else and as we got our coats, she whispered, "that's why I don't like to drink vodka in public".
BTW - Cafe Don Pedro is a VERY nice little spot for a an intimate dinner or drinks. Very cozy with a wood burning fireplace. Great ambiance. Very romantic place if you are looking for one. We had dinner at Michael's on Tverskoye Bulvar and this was a great place to have late night drinks and have a little kissy face time.
Just found this site which appears to be a Moscow-based version of OpenTable. For those of you who aren't fluent in Russian, it looks to be an easy way to set up a restaurant reservation without having to lose face by asking your date to do it for you (assuming you're not staying in the Ritz or the Hyatt and can have your concierge do it for you - ha ha).
http://www.bestnfast.ru/
And no, I'm in no way affiliated with these guys. In fact, I haven't even tried it.
Guys it is possible to find some girls to sponsor in this contacts page??? Or maybe occasional sex ?
http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/
I'm asking because I see a couple of profiles with very hot women located in Moscow and they pictures were very sexual (a pretty blonde took a shot of her huge tits for example, and another hot brunnette is showing her wonderful long legs and magnificent ass). And some profiles state that their location is: Moscow never sleep's (I suppose is an adult webpage or something like that)
Any information of can we take advantage of this page to enjoy more Russian pussies is welcome.
Guys it is possible to find some girls to sponsor in this contacts page??? Or maybe occasional sex ?
http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/
I'm asking because I see a couple of profiles with very hot women located in Moscow and they pictures were very sexual (a pretty blonde took a shot of her huge tits for example, and another hot brunnette is showing her wonderful long legs and magnificent ass). And some profiles state that their location is: Moscow never sleep's (I suppose is an adult webpage or something like that)
Any information of can we take advantage of this page to enjoy more Russian pussies is welcome.
Odnoklassniki is a social networking site, originally designed to find people that attended the same school, so girls would be suspicious why you would be on it (surely you haven't been to a Russian school). Better to use mamba.ru (personals).
"Moscow never sleeps" is part of an eponymous song that has come out fairly recently. The main lines are "Москва, люблю тебя" (Russian, meaning: Moscow, I love you) and "Moscow never sleeps" (in English). To see the video, search for "DJ Smash - Moscow never sleeps" on YouTube.
Speaking of Moscow songs, personally, I love Rammstein's "Moskau" - the lyrics are brilliant (and some mongering-related). A mix of German and Russian though.
Just found this site which appears to be a Moscow-based version of OpenTable. For those of you who aren't fluent in Russian, it looks to be an easy way to set up a restaurant reservation without having to lose face by asking your date to do it for you (assuming you're not staying in the Ritz or the Hyatt and can have your concierge do it for you - ha ha).
http://www.bestnfast.ru/
And no, I'm in no way affiliated with these guys. In fact, I haven't even tried it.
In countries where I don't speak the local language (I am fluent in Russian though), I tend to find male friends who can help me with things like that. They often make for good conversation and are invaluable sources of male-interest information.
Guys it is possible to find some girls to sponsor in this contacts page??? Or maybe occasional sex ?
http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/
I don't have personal experience at picking up on odnoklassniki, but many friends have had good luck there. As good as mamba, at least.
I don't have personal experience at picking up on odnoklassniki, but many friends have had good luck there. As good as mamba, at least.
Ditto - Mamba is not bad at all. Out of three dates with three girls, one has led to sex and another one is looking good so far. It takes a bit of work, but it will lead to results.
Doctor_Skank
09-24-08, 15:00
Guys it is possible to find some girls to sponsor in this contacts page??? Or maybe occasional sex ?
http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/
I'm asking because I see a couple of profiles with very hot women located in Moscow and they pictures were very sexual (a pretty blonde took a shot of her huge tits for example, and another hot brunnette is showing her wonderful long legs and magnificent ass). And some profiles state that their location is: Moscow never sleep's (I suppose is an adult webpage or something like that)
Any information of can we take advantage of this page to enjoy more Russian pussies is welcome.
Ditto - Mamba is not bad at all. Out of three dates with three girls, one has led to sex and another one is looking good so far. It takes a bit of work, but it will lead to results.Odnoklassniki and Mamba are completely different and have different functions.
Mamba is purely a dating "znakomstva" site, complete with *****s, sluts and girls just looking for attention.
Odnoklassniki literally translates as "classmates" and is roughly equivalent to facebook, although not as cheesy.
Although it CAN be used for dating and certainly is by some, Odnoklassniki is primarily a communications and networking platform for social and business circles. Whereas in Mamba it is no crime to ask a girl "how much?" or write "nice tits b1tch", it would be considered bad form to do so on OK, at least as an opening line... :)
Many of the girls on OK are very normal, many married or in relationships and many not looking for dating contacts at all but rather just communication with friends. On Mamba everybody is out to meet somebody.
That isn't saying you can't meet anybody on OK to screw, just the dynamics are different. Maybe imagine it as Mamba being a bar or disco where everybody can talk with anybody and Odnoklassniki being a restaurant where people generally wish to be with their friends.
Another thing to note, if you build a network of friends on OK, EVERYBODY can see who you call a friend or contact. I've had a lot of male friends of the girl friends check me out too... and I am sure it wasn't to check out my package in my surfboard shots. Moreover if your conquests end up as friends on OK, everybody can see who you put your dick in to. Security is an issue and every Russian will tell you that the FSB (formerly KGB) just LOVES Odnoklassniki. Perfect way to see who is with whom.
www.vkontakte.ru is essentially the same as OK, although primarily for St.Petersburg whereas odnoklassniki is more popular in Moscow and other cities.
For mongering, casual dating and easy sex Mamba is superior in my opinion. Odnoklassniki really only makes sense if you have got at least one foot planted in Moscow.
I also think if too many foreigners start flooding OK, there may be some nationalistic backlash, especially from the Russian guys sick of foreigners slobbering all over their friends, girlfriends, wives and sisters.
Odnoklassniki and Mamba are completely different and have different functions.
Odnoklassniki literally translates as "classmates" and is roughly equivalent to facebook, although not as cheesy.
Although it CAN be used for dating and certainly is by some, Odnoklassniki is primarily a communications and networking platform for social and business circles. Whereas in Mamba it is no crime to ask a girl "how much?" or write "nice tits b1tch", it would be considered bad form to do so on OK, at least as an opening line... :)
Many of the girls on OK are very normal, many married or in relationships and many not looking for dating contacts at all but rather just communication with friends. On Mamba everybody is out to meet somebody.
That isn't saying you can't meet anybody on OK to screw, just the dynamics are different. Maybe imagine it as Mamba being a bar or disco where everybody can talk with anybody and Odnoklassniki being a restaurant where people generally wish to be with their friends.
Another thing to note, if you build a network of friends on OK, EVERYBODY can see who you call a friend or contact. I've had a lot of male friends of the girl friends check me out too... and I am sure it wasn't to check out my package in my surfboard shots. Moreover if your conquests end up as friends on OK, everybody can see who you put your dick in to. Security is an issue and every Russian will tell you that the FSB (formerly KGB) just LOVES Odnoklassniki. Perfect way to see who is with whom.
For mongering, casual dating and easy sex Mamba is superior in my opinion. Odnoklassniki really only makes sense if you have got at least one foot planted in Moscow.
I also think if too many foreigners start flooding OK, there may be some nationalistic backlash, especially from the Russian guys sick of foreigners slobbering all over their friends, girlfriends, wives and sisters.
I've continued to check Odnoklassniki and found a profile of a female friend (not based in Moscow) which whom I'm writing and she has at least 3 dozens of only male contacts (only one female friend) the majority of her male friends are based in Moscow or in other countries (Netherlands, Estonia) not in her city (Saratov) but I was surprised because she presented herself to me as a very shy, nerd withouth friends type of girl, also I saw some very hot pics of her with a bikini and microshorts (hooker type shorts) in very suggesting positions. Some of her friends are so much older guys (she's only 18) and many of her pics are rate by her male friends around 30 - 36, and even 49. Lol and she only used to send me "innocent pics" of her holding her cat or walking in the fountains.
I guess she told me some lies here and it's in reality a semi pro because she sweared that she didn't have too many friends... if she's a semi pro then better for me I will try to find out.
AColonizer
09-24-08, 17:56
I wonder if pictures and sex services in Mamba sites, such as www.moslove.ru, are real and genuine or not? For example, if a girl replies "yes" to a swallow blowjob request, is that true or a way to cheat customers?
Thanks
I wonder if pictures and sex services in Mamba sites, such as www.moslove.ru, are real and genuine or not? For example, if a girl replies "yes" to a swallow blowjob request, is that true or a way to cheat customers?
Thanks I don't know about Moslove, but the three girls that I have met from Mamba all had accurate photos. Well, one of them stretched the truth a little and posted a photo that was probably 5 years old, but other than that it was all reasonably accurate.
AColonizer
09-24-08, 20:44
Mamba is a group of sites with the same programming and database. It is interesting how moderators work there.
Anyway, about our business, I contacted a lot of prostitutes but I am sure most of them are agencies. Therefore I am not very trustly about pictures.
In your experience, did you meet freebie or prostitutes?
And if you met prostitutes too, all pictures were genuine?
The most important question is about quality of sex: when prostitutes or agencies reply "yes, I make swallow blowjobs", this reply is reliable or it is just a lie to attract customers?
I don't know about Moslove, but the three girls that I have met from Mamba all had accurate photos. Well, one of them stretched the truth a little and posted a photo that was probably 5 years old, but other than that it was all reasonably accurate.
Doctor_Skank
09-25-08, 06:13
Mamba is a group of sites with the same programming and database. It is interesting how moderators work there.
Anyway, about our business, I contacted a lot of prostitutes but I am sure most of them are agencies. Therefore I am not very trustly about pictures.
In your experience, did you meet freebie or prostitutes?
And if you met prostitutes too, all pictures were genuine?
The most important question is about quality of sex: when prostitutes or agencies reply "yes, I make swallow blowjobs", this reply is reliable or it is just a lie to attract customers?If you are talking about Moscow, lately most of the pros I have been contacted by or contacted on Mamba are working in salons, at least all of the afforadably priced ones.
Whether or not they do swallow blowjobs is ultimately up to them, but generally most salons ask their girls to do CBJ, so I wouldn't count on the salon always having a girl who looks like the picture and also wouldn't count on them always telling the truth.
Best resource to check is www.sextalk.ru
Of of dosug.nu, you can get in direct contact with the real girl (and pictures geneally real). Perhaps you can get a more accurate picture there.
In terms of freebies met on Mamba, I've NEVER met a girl who didn't look like her picture. Often they look better than their pictures.
Stravinsky
09-25-08, 14:34
For those of you (like me) who wonder about the possibilities for cheap sex in the most expensive city in the world, here is a humorous report from a Moderator on sextalk that pretty much sums up the situation at the bottom end of the market.
The author seems to be using ducks as a metaphor for working girls. MBR is local slang for BBBJ.
Autumn... it's getting cold. It would seem the DUCKS should be migrating to warmer climates... On the contrary - with approach of cold, the DUCKS, in my opinion, only increase! At least on Kutuza!
Here's the thing... Until recently, Kutuza, despite the central location and abundance of cars costing in excess of $100K, remained the last outpost in the city where, without negotiation, you could get a BJ for 500r, but now, the situation is completely screwed up, practically everywhere they ask for 1,000[BJ] / 1,500[sex] and even (!!!!) 1,500/2,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But all is not so bad on the Main Line of Russia!
Not more than 2 hours ago (at 19:00 Moscow Time) I am driving home, and on crossing Kutuza and Old Rubleffki, at the flower stalls (where only a few days ago a new metro station has opened - "Slavic Parkway"), I see the working maiden in a suspiciously short skirt and high boots. I brake, roll down the window…
"You're hoping for a blow job?", she asks.
"How much?", I ask (already expecting to hear her say 1,000r and inhaling air into my lungs to yell at her, "GET OUT OF HERE!!! YOU!!! B!!!!".
"300", she replies.
"How much???", I ask.
"THREE HUNDRED", she answers.
"Get in!", I tell her.
Well, what to say about this maiden? About 30 years old, average height, reddish-brown hair, thick legs, big wide ass, tits - size 1.5, but excellent compared to the majority of DUCKS - they are fresh and do not sag. She calls herself Olga.
Location for the process - nearby, in the bushes at Old Rubleffki, near the garages. She doesn't take off her skirt and bare her ass. Worse than that, she doesn't even unbutton her bra and her tits (pleasant enough to the touch) I had to reach for in order to grope.
She has no condoms!!!!! She takes it into her mouth without a rubber, this is so MBR lovers can try playing Russian roulette. Naturally, she has no napkins. But this impression of the addict, which she already appears to be - is no less like the needy local resident who is earning, in a similar way, their meal.
She sucks mechanically, like a sewing machine, without any variety. She doesn't lick my balls, but she can suck for a long time - I'm pretty tired after work, and I am tormented for 20 minutes.
She says that she works this location "now and then, it depends". And so, with pleasure, leaves her phone number, and a message "want to relax? - call 15 minutes in advance, and I will meet you here." In this connection I publish her phone in the report.
Not more than 2 hours ago (at 19:00 Moscow Time) I am driving home, and on crossing Kutuza and Old Rubleffki, at the flower stalls (where only a few days ago a new metro station has opened - "Slavic Parkway"), I see the working maiden in a suspiciously short skirt and high boots. I brake, roll down the window…
LOL! Good find, Strav! I'd seen girls there many times before, but had just assumed they were waiting for someone (boyfriend maybe?) to pick them up. I (wrongly) figured it'd be way too central of a location for WGs to set up shop. Unlike the major shosses just outside MKAD where the tochki are obvious (and expected).
Hmm. Time to borrow my buddy's car and make a try for it? :)
Stravinsky
09-25-08, 15:35
Pizdyets,
You're on! I'll get her phone number. LOL
AColonizer
09-25-08, 16:41
Thanks for reply!
This is a big enigma. Until one year ago, all Ukrainian and Russian road prostitutes in Italy had made swallow blowjobs on request, maybe they didn't made them with bad mood, but in general Ukrainian and Hungarian prostitutes mean swallow blowjobs for 20/30/50 euros. Therefore I thought "I shall go to Ukraine and Russia, the countries of masters in swallow blowjobs", instead. In Kiev it is very hard to find good sex providers. In Moscow I read more opportunities but I am afraid Russians lie much more than Ukrainians. In Kiev the first prostitute I met was also the better (she gave me more than I expected) and I remember her profile management in Internet was identical to Moscow profile management in Internet. Ukraine and Russia are border countries but their people seem to come from two different worlds!
Moreover, I had an experience with a hardcore Ukrainian young prostitute (but with some Russian/Siberian/Tartar blood), she started prostitution at 13 years old at salons in Kharkov and she was used to do EVERYTHING, also without condom. Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!
If you are talking about Moscow, lately most of the pros I have been contacted by or contacted on Mamba are working in salons, at least all of the afforadably priced ones.
Whether or not they do swallow blowjobs is ultimately up to them, but generally most salons ask their girls to do CBJ, so I wouldn't count on the salon always having a girl who looks like the picture and also wouldn't count on them always telling the truth.
Best resource to check is www.sextalk.ru
Of of dosug.nu, you can get in direct contact with the real girl (and pictures geneally real). Perhaps you can get a more accurate picture there.
In terms of freebies met on Mamba, I've NEVER met a girl who didn't look like her picture. Often they look better than their pictures.
Stravinsky
09-25-08, 17:54
Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!Seems to me protected sex is a reasonable precaution to keep oneself from dying a slow, withering death.
Just a thought. :)
Doctor_Skank
09-25-08, 19:01
Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!Who knows, although I think that it is obvious that the rougher the ho is in terms of lifestyle (drugs, coercion etc.) the more likely it is she will voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and be forced to do it. In any case, in terms of vaginal sex I wouldn't take any chances.
Now BBBJ... that's hard to resist. Still wouldn't do it with a street ho that blows truckdrivers for 300 rubles though.
Generally speaking though, I think price levels are independent of protected vs. non-protected. By that logic, non-protected would be MORE expensive, as many mongers want it and are willing to pay it. In reality though, the more expensive pros are more likely to demand CBJ and certainly wish to avoid BB (bareback) sex.
Also, high traffic (salons, brothels etc.) seem to insist more on CBJ, at least at the mid to high level.
Street hos, no matter which country they are in, are the lowest end of the totem pole. They are, and I mean no offense to them directly especially considering the fact that many aren't working the streets voluntarily, the trash of the prostitution industry. I shudder to think about their lives, even though I have screwed a lot of tochka hos back in the day. I chose not to think too much about their lives, even though I did once have a semi-relationship with one for a short while. It proved to be impossible. Hope she is OK, but I am quite certain any innocence in her was robbed by the life she led.
BBBJ... interestingly enough, contrary to supposedly "lawless Russia", very high traffic brothels in hyper-regulated Germany (FKK) are virtually ALL with BBBJ as standard service, and some of the women there have been in the business for 10 years or more.
Shelbysbaker
09-25-08, 20:25
If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: http://www.popline.org/docs/193315 .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.
The statistics in Moscow are like Russian roulette with one bullet in the gun. The statistics in St. Petersburg are like playing with three bullets in a six-shooter.
Who knows, although I think that it is obvious that the rougher the ho is in terms of lifestyle (drugs, coercion etc.) the more likely it is she will voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and be forced to do it. In any case, in terms of vaginal sex I wouldn't take any chances.
Now BBBJ... that's hard to resist. Still wouldn't do it with a street ho that blows truckdrivers for 300 rubles though.
Generally speaking though, I think price levels are independent of protected vs. non-protected. By that logic, non-protected would be MORE expensive, as many mongers want it and are willing to pay it. In reality though, the more expensive pros are more likely to demand CBJ and certainly wish to avoid BB (bareback) sex.
Also, high traffic (salons, brothels etc.) seem to insist more on CBJ, at least at the mid to high level.
Street hos, no matter which country they are in, are the lowest end of the totem pole. They are, and I mean no offense to them directly especially considering the fact that many aren't working the streets voluntarily, the trash of the prostitution industry. I shudder to think about their lives, even though I have screwed a lot of tochka hos back in the day. I chose not to think too much about their lives, even though I did once have a semi-relationship with one for a short while. It proved to be impossible. Hope she is OK, but I am quite certain any innocence in her was robbed by the life she led.
BBBJ... interestingly enough, contrary to supposedly "lawless Russia", very high traffic brothels in hyper-regulated Germany (FKK) are virtually ALL with BBBJ as standard service, and some of the women there have been in the business for 10 years or more.
AColonizer
09-25-08, 21:44
Doctor Skank,
It seems we had a similar life experience with a street walker, but our opinions are pretty different:
- Until one year ago, non-UE prostitutes could work on roads only, because an hypocritical Italian law leaves all prostitution to criminal organizations. Therefore street walkers in Italy were the only real choice. We could find any kind of girls, young or old, beautiful or ugly, lovely or unpolite, passioned or mechanical, vaginal fuck or extreme sex, cheap or expensive. About prices, prices are often connected to girl's mood and pimp's management. I can't explain everything here, but there is no direct connection between price and quality of sex: cheap price doesn't mean bad sex and expensive price doesn't mean good sex!
Moreover, the other prostitutes, working in flats, are almost all frauds because very expensive prices for unprofessional mechanical sex.
- Yes, I am afraid about the decision of my former friend to become an hardcore prostitute at 13 years old (this is horrible! ), but I see with my eyes, she has a dangerous work but she enjoys her adventurous life better than my regular life. Yes, she lives only for money and the good girl was dead 8 years ago:.(In my experience, there was no violence by pimps, there was girl' greed only!
Doctor_Skank
09-25-08, 22:40
If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: http://www.popline.org/docs/193315 .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.
The statistics in Moscow are like Russian roulette with one bullet in the gun. The statistics in St. Petersburg are like playing with three bullets in a six-shooter.Ouch, pretty scary stats even if I am not a firm believer in statistics, they do indicate a general trend. Nonetheless, why would anybody screw a street ho bareback in the first place? There is a degree of risk in any sex, but there are some risks just too extreme to be taken.
Even scarier than the prostitute statistic is the fact that official numbers put 10% of Russia's HIV positive in St.Petersburg.
Ouch, pretty scary stats even if I am not a firm believer in statistics, they do indicate a general trend. Nonetheless, why would anybody screw a street ho bareback in the first place? There is a degree of risk in any sex, but there are some risks just too extreme to be taken.
Even scarier than the prostitute statistic is the fact that official numbers put 10% of Russia's HIV positive in St.Petersburg.
Condoms occassionally break...
Definitely makes me think twice about hitting a tochka - especially in Piter.
Shelbysbaker
09-26-08, 08:30
Definitely makes me think twice about hitting a tochka - especially in Piter.
Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?
Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?
Hmm, from a quick scan on sextalk, it appears you're correct. Now I know why my colleagues in Piter always invited me to banya and not tochka! Not that tochkas are usually my cup of tea even in Moscow...
Doctor_Skank
09-26-08, 10:36
Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?Tochkas exist everywhere in some form AFAIK. In any case, it seems that local mamachkas can drum up a few girls to stand in line and choose from whether you are in Ryazan or Pskov. Finding these mamachkas is another challenge entirely, but that is another story.
Tochka is also a relative term, a bunch of girls lined up along side the highway giving blowjobs for $20 or quick sex in the car/truck for $70 aren't the same as Moscow's tochka girls whose prices can reach low end Night Flight level ($300-500) and are for the night. One man's tochka is another man's 3 girls standing infront of a Toyota Hiace at 2 am outside the train station in Novosibirsk. I also haven't tochka'ed in a long time, not because of risk per se but more because of cost. P4P is less and less a part of my mongering, especially in Moscow.
Risks? There is always risk in sex. The girl you pick up at Hot Dog or the freebie you pick up at Opera could also have AIDS, herpes, syphillis, gonorrhea. Broken condom can happen of course and has happened to me on a few occasions. I remember every incident vividly as they were dramatic in one way or another. I switched brands and hasn't happened since, but that is also another story.
I think as a monger/man-wh0re every individual has to judge risks for themselves.
Bareback sex with freebies/girlfriends?
Bareback sex with pros?
BBBJ with freebies/girlfriends?
BBBJ with pros?
Sex with multiple partners?
I've actually gotten more cautious with age, but anybody out there doing a lot of fucking puts himself in a higher risk category than those who are only occasionally having sex. I think that is fair to say and something mongers accept as part of the entertainment package.
All I can say about the subject is play as safe as you see fit and get yourself checked regularly.
If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: http://www.popline.org/docs/193315 .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.
So, Shelby, we should all insulate ourselves from this awsome risk by sticking to the online services that you recommend? Well... maybe. But, when I was a child out in hillbilly country, Denmark my old gran used to tell me:"Talk is cheap." I'm not tempted by this site Mixphoto and, frankly, I think it's a trap site to make foreigners overpay for what they could have had down on the next corner.
Shelbysbaker
09-26-08, 22:08
i'm not advocating anything. everyone should make their own decisions. the riskiest thing you could probably do is have unprotected receptive anal sex with a male homosexual street prostitute who has track marks from iv drug use. the safest thing you can do is become a monk and join a monastery... on second thought, maybe it isn't (especially if you're a little boy:-)). most of in the forum find ourselves somewhere between these two extremes.
i think that doctor_skank put it most succinctly (look down a couple of posts):
all i can say about the subject is play as safe as you see fit and get yourself checked regularly.
regarding mixphoto: i'm not affiliated with mixphoto in any way. i'm just a satisfied customer who is reporting on his experiences. it's up to you to decide if it's safer (or less safe) than anything else you might be doing.
and if you can find ample girls "on the next corner" who will come into a studio setting and pose for pictures they swap cum with their girlfriends, suck my creampie out of their girlfriend's pussy, get gangbanged by 4 guys, [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in a bathtub, shave their pussy, or stick a vibrator in their ass while i creampie them, then by all means, please tell me which street corner. that's what the forum is all about: free exchange of information.
so, shelby, we should all insulate ourselves from this awsome risk by sticking to the online services that you recommend? well... maybe. but, when i was a child out in hillbilly country, denmark my old gran used to tell me:"talk is cheap." i'm not tempted by this site mixphoto and, frankly, i think it's a trap site to make foreigners overpay for what they could have had down on the next corner.
Guys I cannot get the website of mamba translated from Russian into English using google or altavista, any suggestions?
Yeah, learn Russian.
I'm on it already.....
Sorry, but does anyone have experiences with emailing escort providers in Moscow? And, why do I ask such a silly question? Well, I'm preparing a trip to Moscow a few weeks from now - on business with only an evening plus an afternoon to myself, so I need to use my time efficiently. Since about one fifth of the girls on public sites such as intimcity and ston give their email address I figured the best way would be to mail some providers and ask if they are available on those days. But...
...zilch! Nobody can be bothered to answer emails, even as they provided the address themselves. I may have made a mistake in writing in English (I don't speak Russian but could easily have translated online), because one suspects that these girls are deluged with mails from foreign time wasters. Does anyone have other, and better, experiences with this? If not, could someone recommend a phone-based agency with an English speaking reception and reasonsable rates? I'm not cheap & perfectly willing to pay the going rates, but some of the English language sites offering working girls in Moscow look truly extortionate.
AColonizer
09-28-08, 12:05
You seem to be an another absolute beginner. (do you remember that movie? ). The first trick is: always speak Russian, you can't? This is the biggest trouble for you. Meanwhile, if you are ready to pay everything (this is silly! ), try to look for very high quality sex, not just a vaginal fuck with a "beautie".
Sorry, but does anyone have experiences with emailing escort providers in Moscow? And, why do I ask such a silly question? Well, I'm preparing a trip to Moscow a few weeks from now - on business with only an evening plus an afternoon to myself, so I need to use my time efficiently. Since about one fifth of the girls on public sites such as intimcity and ston give their email address I figured the best way would be to mail some providers and ask if they are available on those days. But...
...zilch! Nobody can be bothered to answer emails, even as they provided the address themselves. I may have made a mistake in writing in English (I don't speak Russian but could easily have translated online), because one suspects that these girls are deluged with mails from foreign time wasters. Does anyone have other, and better, experiences with this? If not, could someone recommend a phone-based agency with an English speaking reception and reasonsable rates? I'm not cheap & perfectly willing to pay the going rates, but some of the English language sites offering working girls in Moscow look truly extortionate.
You seem to be an another absolute beginner. (do you remember that movie? ). The first trick is: always speak Russian, you can't? This is the biggest trouble for you. Meanwhile, if you are ready to pay everything (this is silly! ), try to look for very high quality sex, not just a vaginal fuck with a "beautie".
Look, there's no reason to get nasty. First, I'm not an absolute beginner: I have plenty of mongering experience in Western Europe, Turkey and such more "exotic" places to which my business trips have brought me. For reference, see my previous 200+ postings. Secondly, I sometimes feel that I should be walking around with a little badge on my chest saying "English is not my first language". (In fact, it's my third.) Having learned four languages back in high school I have little time for arrogant people who think mastering their native tounge is totally enough - and into this category I include "nasty Americans" alongside with "post-Stalinist Russians", "chauvinist French" and a lot of other people. That said, I don't speak all the 480 recognised, official languages of the globe and, frankly, think it would be appropriate if people in the Moscow nightlife would (also) be capable of speaking a couple of foreign languages. I myself can offer French and German in addition to English, plus a bit of Spanish and a bit of Polish alongside with my native Danish and the two other Scandinavian languages.
Stravinsky
09-28-08, 18:44
Priamos,
I think your situation is probably fairly common; in Moscow for a day or two and you don't speak Russian.
You should probably forget about the internet escorts if you don't speak Russian. Your best bet (as much as I hate to admit it) will be the expat clubs. You can waste a lot of time, and money, chasing freebies, so you might want to go straight for the working girls at Hot Dog's or Night Flight.
You could also try the salons, which have been discussed here in great detail. They would be perfect for your free afternoon.
Stravinsky
09-28-08, 18:45
Guys I cannot get the website of mamba translated from Russian into English using google or altavista, any suggestions?Try translate.ru
AColonizer
09-28-08, 19:29
Priamos, sorry for misunderstanding, I just said in few words what you (we) need to go in Russia. I am sure you need effective advises and not sweet dreams (do you remember Eurythmics?) Congratulations for your languages, I am sure it will be easy to learn Russian too: just a full immersion in Moscow for some weeks.
P.S. maybe my humour is hard to understand.
You should probably forget about the internet escorts if you don't speak Russian. Your best bet (as much as I hate to admit it) will be the expat clubs. You can waste a lot of time, and money, chasing freebies, so you might want to go straight for the working girls at Hot Dog's or Night Flight.
You could also try the salons, which have been discussed here in great detail. They would be perfect for your free afternoon.
First, let me say that I haven't been back to Moscow for more than a year, so my information may not be as up-to-date as the other posts. However, my experience is the opposite of Strav's one: I had better chances with escort than with salons in Moscow when I didn't speak a single word in Russian (but we may not be talking about the same category of escort though).
Concerning salons, I'm not sure they all speak English and, to find their address, you need to be able to read the street name plaques in cyrillic. I needed to learn Russian to go to salons.
Concerning escorts, I have used a few which spoke English:
Girls Students (http://www.girls-students.ru/enter.php)
Diana Escort (http://www.diana-escort.ru/enter.php)
Not the same thing as intimcity and ston, more expensive, but best option as far as I'm concerned if you don't speak Russian.
A few years ago, photos of girls are real and telephonist speaks fluent English, as well as some of the girls. However, I haven't use them for some years now and things may have changed. I think I've read somewhere that there are some bait-and-switch now, so you must emphasize that it's the girl you choose that you want, and be prepared to send the girl back home if she's not the right one.
It would be a shame if things have changed, because I was very satisfied with their services before.
Good luck,
Jim
....
Concerning escorts, I have used a few which spoke English:
Girls Students (http://www.girls-students.ru/enter.php)
Diana Escort (http://www.diana-escort.ru/enter.php)
...Jim
Thanks Jim for the links, you or anybody knows actually how much is the price for one hour of escort to hotel ?
Are they the same agency ? Their web pages look very similar.
So, Shelby, we should all insulate ourselves from this awsome risk by sticking to the online services that you recommend? Well... maybe. But, when I was a child out in hillbilly country, Denmark my old gran used to tell me:"Talk is cheap." I'm not tempted by this site Mixphoto and, frankly, I think it's a trap site to make foreigners overpay for what they could have had down on the next corner.
Priamos
Second trick is you might want to RTFF.
Value is in the eyes of the shopper; it’s all there in the forums.
Shelbybaker simply shared his fulfilling a porno fantasy with forum members. Few members research to that extent or take the time to share. He has no ownership or benefit with mixphoto.
You might want to get actual knowledge of a city/country prior to becoming so well informed.
If you are concerned with “Awesome risk” best to stay on your grannies farm in Denmark.
With the exception of keeping it in your pants there is no safe haven in our hobby.
Guido88
Priamos
Second trick is you might want to RTFF.
The problem is, I did. If you take much of the FF at face value you'd think the Moscow P2P scene has prices that are twice as high as Germany and the Netherlands (countries with about five times the average income, I may add). Strictly as an outsider, it would seem to indicate an "expensive taste" on the of many of the self-declared Moscow experts.
If you are concerned with “Awesome risk” best to stay on your grannies farm in Denmark.
With the exception of keeping it in your pants there is no safe haven in our hobby.
Guido88
OMG, what have you been smoking? My remarks were dripping with sarchasm, alluding to the risks that Shelby seems to think is such a big problem. Kindly don't turn it back on me.
AColonizer
09-29-08, 12:56
I wonder if anybody could inform about prices and services and pictures and girls in:
http://www.girls-students.ru/enter.php
http://www.diana-escort.ru/enter.php
Are they reliable? what is difference? what about the description of sex sessions?
Stravinsky
09-29-08, 15:10
The problem is, I did. If you take much of the FF at face value you'd think the Moscow P2P scene has prices that are twice as high as Germany and the Netherlands (countries with about five times the average income, I may add). Strictly as an outsider, it would seem to indicate an "expensive taste" on the of many of the self-declared Moscow experts.There are basically 2 levels of hobbyists in Moscow; the guys who live/work there or visit on a regular basis and know their way around and have some basic facility with the Russian language. For guys like this, who have the "game", sex is basically free, if you exclude all the associated costs of; club entry, drinks, taxis, gifts, etc. Or, it is very minimal, because they can negotiate directly with the local girls.
And then there are guys like yourself; never been to Moscow, don't speak the lingo, are totally clueless and expect to be catered to. For guys like yourself, there are places like Night Flight and internet escort sites where you can talk to someone in English. You can distinguish these sites from the internet escort sites that cater to local guys by the dialing code on the phone number. The girls on the local sites prefix their numbers with an 8, which is the internal dialing code for Russia. They expect to get calls from local guys, who speak Russian, and their fees are set accordingly. Typically, these girls are looking for cash in hand, not a long term virtual email relationship. If the dialing code begins with a 7, this is the external prefix for dialing Russia, so you know they are expecting calls from foreign customers. For these, the prices will be about twice as high as in Germany and the Netherlands, because, well, they know there are guys like you who have no choice but to pay them. :)
The problem is, I did. If you take much of the FF at face value you'd think the Moscow P2P scene has prices that are twice as high as Germany and the Netherlands (countries with about five times the average income, I may add). Strictly as an outsider, it would seem to indicate an "expensive taste" on the of many of the self-declared Moscow experts.
Okay, Priamos, I know you're trolling, but lest you confuse others, let's look at the relative prices between these.
Let's take the Palace in Frankfurt, for example. It's not exactly cheap, as I recall. 90E entrance + 50E per half hour? So, let's assume you go twice for an hour each. That's 290E.
Now you take a reputable salon such as Fantasy's in Moscow. It's 4000R/hr. At 2 hours (during which time you can have at least 2 different girls), that's 8000R, or around 220E. Cheaper and a helluvalot more discreet.
If you want take-out, I can guarantee that you can find cheaper in Moscow, as long as you take the time and have reasonable game. One strategy is to go to HotDog on a Friday/Saturday (when it's packed with dyeffki) and drink with a number of the girls you find attractive and to get their digits for future use. Understand that they pay $60 just to get in the door. Including taxi and drinks, that comes to around $100 total expenses per night because these girls typically live far from downtown. That has to come from somewhere, especially since many don't pick up every night. However, if you call them on another night (especially on, say, weeknights where their chances of picking up are lower), you have leverage to close a much better deal. And if you treat them to dinner and a nice night on the town, it may turn into a freebie. It's certainly worked for me in the past. Maybe you can find that in Frankfurt, but I haven't found it.
Okay, Priamos, I know you're trolling, but lest you confuse others, let's look at the relative prices between these.
Let's take the Palace in Frankfurt, for example. It's not exactly cheap, as I recall. 90E entrance + 50E per half hour? So, let's assume you go twice for an hour each. That's 290E.
Let me start in the opposite corner, Pizdyets. For guys like me who (in the delicate phrasology of Stravinsky) are "totally clueless and expect to be catered for" the Moscow section of ISG is perhaps a bit of a disappointment. If you've gone over my past postings (as your reference to FKK Frankfurt seems to indicate) you should know that I have over the years tried to be helpful toward beginners, taking the time to explain the local scene even when people could have read this information for themselves further down on the tread, in my favourite haunt Istanbul as well as my local playgrounds Paris and Brussels.
Please let me share with you the following comparison: a few years ago I landed a business trip to that favourite mongering destination, Bangkok. ISG was enormously useful to me. Upon reading 20-30 postings I had a complete picture of the major watering holes, as well as the going rates - 2,500 to 3,000 bath for a night in those days - that one should expect to pay. (I realise that the word "should" here may grate some nerves; it is conditioned on a North European notion of "fair prices" that people from more individualistic countries such as the Wild West and the Wild East would probably refute.) Following this it was very easy for me to discard a few online escort agencies offering "company for the low price of 5,000 baht - 10,000 for the whole night" as the tourist traps they were.
In the Moscow department the tables appear to be turned. I can go on a Russian integrator portal (I read Russian even if I don't speak it) and establish my own market prices: two hours outcall mostly fall in the price fork of 200-300 USD. A night is upward of 400 USD. However, if I ask my fellow mongers for directions I receive private emails (and postings) directing me to service providers charging upward of 200 Euros per hour and, in one case, intimating that if I'm not willing to pay that then I'm a pathetic cheapskate. It does look, Pizdyets, as if this part of the board is in the hands of people (expats, locals...) who are not motivated by fraternal feelings towards fellow mongers but rather a combination of classic Russian chauvinism ("foreigners in Russia should PAY!") and the nouveau riche excesses of the Wild East ("Flaunt it baby! Yeah!").
Finally, let me respond directly to the point you raised. The entrance of FKK Palace in Frankfurt (why is this of interest, BTW?) is 75 Euros. An hour costs 100 Euros, that is true, but if you want only one pop the price is 50 Euros. This amount is - almost always, that is - inclusive of French kissing and blowjob without condom. So, unless you overpay (which I have often done, as you know if you've read my postings: for instance I often slip the girl another 50 Euros for CIM), you can have two girls offering GFE or at least near-GFE spend 2-3 hours, or as long as you please, having free drinks, free meals, sauna, jacuzzi, porn cinema... for 175 Euros. Voila.
Thanks Jim for the links, you or anybody knows actually how much is the price for one hour of escort to hotel ?
I haven't used Girls-Students and Diana Escort for years, it was back in the time I spoke not a word in Russian (and price can double in a couple of years). I think Guido88 has used them more recently so maybe he can chime in. Or you can do a search, a few other members of this board (or similar boards) have used them.
Concerning cost and services in general, FKKs are nowadays a better option than Moscow if you're new to the scene and don't speak Russian. I've been to Russia for years, and time have changed. The golden age of Moscow is over as far as I'm concerned. The time where you can get a tochka girl for overnight for less than 100 USD, with BBBJ, kissing and even anal, are definitely gone. It's harder and harder to get BBBJ and "anal included" in Russia today (OK, last year, haven't been back since but I doubt the trend has reversed direction). You can't even find a decent looking girl in a tochka now, and an overnight with a pick-up girl from a club doesn't last more than 3-4 hours.
Jim
Gandjim,
The flight club in moscow, the girls there were asking as much as $600 for the night. And its the same in st petersburgh. why the girls there are asking for so much is beyond me, and on top of all that you have to have a visa and an invitation form for the Hotel you book to go to Russia. So the same for me, the one time and only time i ever went to Russia.
The problem is, I did. If you take much of the FF at face value you'd think the Moscow P2P scene has prices that are twice as high as Germany and the Netherlands (countries with about five times the average income, I may add). Strictly as an outsider, it would seem to indicate an "expensive taste" on the of many of the self-declared Moscow experts.
OMG, what have you been smoking? My remarks were dripping with sarchasm, alluding to the risks that Shelby seems to think is such a big problem. Kindly don't turn it back on me.
Priamos
The problem with Pay 4 Play in Moscow is that in a few short years pricing has skyrocketed, along with diminished performance by the girls. They now believe they can charge ridicules rates, provide shitty service and leave early.
This has changed by mongers now throwing piles of cash for something the old timers were paying $75.00- 150.00 a night for prime pussy as recently as 2005
At this point Moscow is much pricier than Western Europe. Part of it is too much money in Moscow, the other is that mongers are neither shopping nor negotiating to get the best deals.
As Strav pointed out if you take the easy path it will cost more. Even on my 1st trip speaking zero Russian I got on the computer and phone and shopped until I found what I was looking for. Out of 20 calls 18 may have been unsuccessful but the other 2 were awesome.
By nature the Russian women have IMHO been subservient and quite willing to please. The newbies overpay and let the girls get away with things that an experienced monger or Russian man would not.
P4P in Moscow is now a very expensive addiction. It is a shame to see it deteriorate so quickly.
As to what I have been smoking. Well it is harvest season….. I am guilty on that one.
Apologies for missing your sarcasm.
It did irritate me that there was a lack of appreciation for Shelby’s input.
Guido88
I haven't used Girls-Students and Diana Escort for years, it was back in the time I spoke not a word in Russian (and price can double in a couple of years). I think Guido88 has used them more recently so maybe he can chime in. Or you can do a search, a few other members of this board (or similar boards) have used them.
Concerning cost and services in general, FKKs are nowadays a better option than Moscow if you're new to the scene and don't speak Russian. I've been to Russia for years, and time have changed. The golden age of Moscow is over as far as I'm concerned. The time where you can get a tochka girl for overnight for less than 100 USD, with BBBJ, kissing and even anal, are definitely gone. It's harder and harder to get BBBJ and "anal included" in Russia today (OK, last year, haven't been back since but I doubt the trend has reversed direction). You can't even find a decent looking girl in a tochka now, and an overnight with a pick-up girl from a club doesn't last more than 3-4 hours.
Jim
Jim
At this point P4P in Moscow is out of my price range. Last trip I substituted Thailand for Moscow and found good values. It’s hard for me to pay ludicrous amounts of money for a woman.
My most recent reports came from Firebird and I think Jake or one of his buddies may have used them. Firebird spoke highly of the experience. If I remember right Jake did as well.
Sounds as though the website may not be quite as reliable as it once was. There have been complaints of short time, false photos and bait and switch.
Key thing for the newbies to remember is if the girl at the door is not what you ordered send her back with cab fare and move on.
Make it clear to the girl that leaving early is simply not an option.
Guido88
As to what I have been smoking. Well it is harvest season….. I am guilty on that one.
Apologies for missing your sarcasm.
It did irritate me that there was a lack of appreciation for Shelby’s input.
Your're probably quite right that, as a newcomer, I walked into that one on my big feet. Just "between the two of us", I had a bruising discussion some time ago on another country thread with a gentleman who was actively promoting one, expensive, set of services (nothing wrong with that, of course) to the point of ranting against anybody who would recommend anything else. I never came to realise whether that guy was simply obsessive or financially interested in the services he proffered. When I saw Shelby criticising alternative service providers I thought "f***, there we go again!" obviously without properly recognising the man's role and past contributions to this thread.
Sorry about that.
Doctor_Skank
09-30-08, 05:56
It did irritate me that there was a lack of appreciation for Shelby’s input.
Guido88There's a lot of appreciation for Shelby's work, he obviously put a lot of effort into it.
And I feel no shame in being jealous.
:)
Guys can anybody please recommend me a couple of pretty Russian Blondinkas that provides good service? Preferently with big tits and/or ass (no obligatory but desirable)
Thanks
If you are not an oligarch Moscow is not, IMHO, the place for P4P. In that respect Germany is a lot more value for money, and easier to reach. Thailand and the Philippines are cheap, I suppose, if you are into Oriental women.
Moscow is, however, a place for freebies if you know where to go, what Russian girls want, and ideally, speak Russian. But hunting freebies is still expensive: you'll spend over $100/night just for accommodation. Hence, unless you have special ties with Russia or a lot of money, I would not recommend it.
Sorry to disappoint ...
Jim
At this point P4P in Moscow is out of my price range. Last trip I substituted Thailand for Moscow and found good values. It’s hard for me to pay ludicrous amounts of money for a woman.
My most recent reports came from Firebird and I think Jake or one of his buddies may have used them. Firebird spoke highly of the experience. If I remember right Jake did as well.
Sounds as though the website may not be quite as reliable as it once was. There have been complaints of short time, false photos and bait and switch.
Key thing for the newbies to remember is if the girl at the door is not what you ordered send her back with cab fare and move on.
Make it clear to the girl that leaving early is simply not an option.
Guido88
Moscow is, however, a place for freebies if you know where to go, what Russian girls want, and ideally, speak Russian. But hunting freebies is still expensive: you'll spend over $100/night just for accommodation. Hence, unless you have special ties with Russia or a lot of money, I would not recommend it.
Sorry to disappoint ...
I have to agree with you. Moscow is not for the "faint of heart" or the "slim of wallet". If you do not have business in Moscow that can subsidize your airfare and accommodation, you can burn through money faster that you know.
As far as freebies goes, it's still an expensive proposition in Moscow when you consider cost of living. It's is also one that requires an investment of time and effort. But oh it can pay back handsome dividends.
Your're probably quite right that, as a newcomer, I walked into that one on my big feet. Just "between the two of us", I had a bruising discussion some time ago on another country thread with a gentleman who was actively promoting one, expensive, set of services (nothing wrong with that, of course) to the point of ranting against anybody who would recommend anything else. I never came to realise whether that guy was simply obsessive or financially interested in the services he proffered. When I saw Shelby criticising alternative service providers I thought "f***, there we go again!" obviously without properly recognising the man's role and past contributions to this thread.
Sorry about that.
Priamos
Our discussion was centered on P4P in Moscow, which is as most agree a rich mans pursuit nowadays.
Even Doc with his gift of Russian gab has given up on Moscow for P4P.
However freebies are another topic. Difficult for a short stay mongers; those with time and language seem to do quite well.
Lucky bastards…..
Doc leaves a long trail of empty condom wrappers. :)
Another option would be Piter. Easier for the 1st trip in many respects with pricing still better than Moscow.
No shortage of great looking women and many think freebies are easier there. P4P is plentiful and somewhat reasonable compared to Moscow.
For either city work the dating sites. Omen, Mheart ect…
Most have a section for intime or erotic services. Expect more than a few that speak no English. Keep dialing and you will find ones that do.
Then ask them to bring a friend.
As Jake mentioned it is well worth the effort.
Good hunting
Guido88
Solntsa Yada
10-01-08, 15:07
It does look, Pizdyets, as if this part of the board is in the hands of people (expats, locals.) who are not motivated by fraternal feelings towards fellow mongers but rather a combination of classic Russian chauvinism ("foreigners in Russia should PAY! ") and the nouveau riche excesses of the Wild East ("Flaunt it baby! Yeah! "). I'd like to jump in on this.
I do get your point on this myself. But its possibly more perception than you realise.
When I first got to Russia I could not go beyond the Girls-students site, due to the language barrier, but after one particular girl, Ira, asked me why I didn't yet have a girlfriend, and offered herself, to practice her english, get free meals, a place to stay from time to time (she stayed outside of moscow, and would call around 6am to crash/shower at my place) She helped me to understand some of the 'goings on' of such sites, and the fact that the real street value was far cheaper than the expat-catering salons.
The real interesting point was, she would help me find other girls on occasions, but when I tried to copy her, I was barely able to get anywhere.
I have literally stood in podezds (front halls) of buildings, lost, the wrong address, the girl cancelling because I can't find her place, at the very last minute, after a taxi there and a taxi back, costing me a few hundred rubles, gone to places with ugly/fat/WTF girls, More than half of the times I've gone looking for some of the lesser expensive places.
Sure, I was (and still am) cheap, so I don't mind looking 2-3 times to get a decent girl, who, for 2000 ryb will give me a decent time, and if she's decent enough I give her repeat business for the next 2-3 times to make up for the cancelled/lost times. Some of these girls would come meet me, away from the 'apartment/goblin boss" for only the price of a romantic dinner. A. K. A freebee.
But coming into town from outside, your unlikely to be able to get this kind of service, no matter what anyone reports on the site. That kind of work costs time and money. Which you pay for by going for the easy expat-friendly sites.
So in conclusion, its not that we're hiding anything, we just know its alot harder than it looks in Moscow.
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Doctor_Skank
10-01-08, 17:56
I have to agree with you. Moscow is not for the "faint of heart" or the "slim of wallet". If you do not have business in Moscow that can subsidize your airfare and accommodation, you can burn through money faster that you know.
As far as freebies goes, it's still an expensive proposition in Moscow when you consider cost of living. It's is also one that requires an investment of time and effort. But oh it can pay back handsome dividends.Unfortunately this is simply true.
No matter which way you bend the rules or no matter how much charm and skillz one possesses, women simply cost money.
Pros, freebies, club sluts.
There is no way to avoid it. Mongering is an expensive hobby, but I think most here will agree that it is worth it.
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