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Maybe we should move this discussion to Minsk thread already :)
When I was there one of more expensive places was NLO (probably still is). I would only be happening on weekends, and I found that there were always more guys in clubs on weekends vs weeknights. In the expensive places you would find more stuck up girls (better dressed though) and girls with guys who pay for them to get in. Other clubs had college nights pretty much every week night of the week.
The Black Door (I think also referred to as Cafe Vienna) was always empty, and inside it looks like an average decent Manhattan lounge with decent mix of traditional european/american food and some chinese. Nothing to write home about.
I didn't run into sponsorship at all though. Most girls were 18-21 and just wanted to have a good time. I'd slip 50 or 100K taxi money to my regulars as if I didn't have smaller bills, but I didn't have to. However recently searching 20-22 yo on mamba I'd say about one in every 20 girls looks for sponsorship. Maybe times have changed.
In Minsk you meet girls everywhere, metro, street, by McDonalds, doesn't matter really. Visa is an additional cost but I was never asked to show passport anywhere including on the overnight train from Moscow. It must be amazing now in May, short skirts and pedicured feet.. I hear a lot of them go back to their towns during summer months though.
Next club in Minsk is new place opened in January 2009. It is located in Crown plaza hotel which is very expencive so the club it self is also expencive. There's also club Black Door in Minsk which is expencive also.
Sean, we're not into the same group.
I like them "older" and anywhere in the FSU I don't connect with people (both males and females) who are younger than 24. It is just a rule I have.
I met in Minsk many girls from Russia who study there and it seems they bring the idea of sponsorship. Many of there are interested in idea. Again most of them can not cope with competition in Moscow so they want to try it in Minsk.
When you mentioned train from Moscow keep in mind there is no border between Russia and Belarus so there's no passport checking of any kind.
Yes during summer Minsk lose a lot of it's student population, they go back home to their native cities. During June-September period many places for nigh time tend to look empty.
I'm off to Belarus soon for a few months but I plan to completelly avoid Minsk and go to several other places.
Stravinsky
05-13-09, 19:03
When you mentioned train from Moscow keep in mind there is no border between Russia and Belarus so there's no passport checking of any kind.I assume this only applies to Russian citizens. Foreign citizens would still need to have the proper visa for both Belarus and Russia. Right?
Strav yes. If you're foreigner and take a train from Moscow to Minsk no one will check your passport but it means you'll still have to have a valid visa for Belarus. Actually there are no checking at the border since there's none but there are random police controls once the train enteres Belarus. Mostly this will happen in town of Borisov where police will enter the train and take the ride back to Minsk. Usually conducter will tell them if there is something out of usual and they will come to check. I experianced this several times but no big deal if you have a visa of course. Check your Russian migration card it is obvious it is valid both for Russia and Belarus. But having only Russian visa (or belarus visa) it doesn't mean you can stay in Belarus (or Russia if you have only belarus visa) with Russian visa only. Some years ago there was a rule if you have a valid 30 day Russian visa you could stay in Belarus in transit for 5 days but it is not possible any more. A typical thing is some people still travel by train from Poland to Russia crossing through Belarus. And most of them have Russian visa only thinking it is enough. But no, at the border in Brest they are regulary kicked out back to Poland if they don't have a valid belarus visa or belarus transit visa (valid for 3 days the same as Russian).
Also there is a strange rule for example if you arrived to Russia and got the stamp in the passport and then go to Belarus and you want to go to Poland or Lithuania in msot cases they will not let you crossing the border. They will say if you entered through Russian then you must leave through Russia also.
The same is if you enter Belarus from Ukraine and got belarus stamp in the passport, Russians will not let you go to Estoni or Finladn for example through their border. This moslty happens on Russian borders in european part don't know about the situation on Russian border with China for example.
I assume this only applies to Russian citizens. Foreign citizens would still need to have the proper visa for both Belarus and Russia. Right?
I always had my papers in order (Belarus visa stamp), went back and forth between Moscow and Minsk and there is no visa check of any kind and you are not required to carry your passport in Belarus. Next time I'll just take a chance without the visa. The visa costs 230 dollars (next day) + insurance and the consular staff are assholes.
How expensive is Ufa? Reading reports about all the oil money and foreign investments.
Strav yes. If you're foreigner and take a train from Moscow to Minsk no one will check your passport but it means you'll still have to have a valid visa for Belarus.
It's probably good idea to have one, but what's the worst that can happen. Just play dumb you didn't know, like Kurenda said the migration card says Belarus-Russia. You def need one if you leave Belarus to Ukraine or another country (any country other than Russia). This only applies to trians, you need visa if you fly in/out of the country no matter which one.
I always had my papers in order (Belarus visa stamp), went back and forth between Moscow and Minsk and there is no visa check of any kind and you are not required to carry your passport in Belarus. Next time I'll just take a chance without the visa. The visa costs 230 dollars (next day) + insurance and the consular staff are assholes.
Yup, same for me. But I did have to give my passport to the hotel desk when I registered each time. Perhaps they looked at my visa.
It's probably good idea to have one, but what's the worst that can happen. Just play dumb you didn't know...
I remember a story a couple years back about some dumb foreigner driving from Moscow to Minsk without a visa (unsurprisingly, he was chasing some dyev). They arrested him, seized his car and deported him without returning it. Not sure that's the worst that could happen in a totalitarian country, but it still ain't good.
Don't mess with it guys. Just get the visa and you can breathe easy.
you are not required to carry your passport in Belarus. Next time I'll just take a chance without the visa.Sean you're on thin ice here. As a foreigner you should carry your passport with you just in case. You can imagine what can happen if you're stopped by police or KDS agents and you don't have your passport. Remeber you need to register and to reigister you will need a visa. I remember what happened to me few years ago. I have a passport of country which doesn't need visa for Belarus. I checked in hotel and the girl at reception was working on my registration checking passport. There was no visa since I did not need it and the girls was surprised. Where is your visa? I tod her I don't have it and she immediatelly called hotel security, 3 guys were arround me. Then she called police which arrived in like less than 5 minutes. I simply explained I don't need visa they were suspicious, called foreign ministry which confirmed I don't need visa. Everything went well but can you immagine what would happen if I really did not have a visa. The answer is Emanuel Sezner, jew lawyer from USA. Last year he was arrested in Belarus and sentensed to 5 years in prison for document forgering. He had old belarus visa, didn't want to bother getting new and changed the date like the visa is still valid but he was caught. And also there was a Italian who served 3 years in prison also for visa problem. The case Pizdyets mentioned sounds like the easy one.
Belarus is not Russia or Ukraine, things are more tight and different there. In Russia you can get away with money since in Russia everythnig is possible for money while in Belarus not everything is possible for money. I had KDS coming to my place in Minsk checking my passport, no serious problems their excuse was always "there's a problem with your visa or registration".
In Belarus they are very fast to give you 5 or 10 year ban on entry and the problem this ban is valid fro Russia also.
Sean about Ufa it's no Moscow of course. But if compared to other places around it's not cheap. But also it will not squizee all your money from the pocket. There's oil money but people who have it usually spend it in Moscow. If you choose Ufa as your destination go for it. You can either not like it and never go back or like it and return there. I've been to Ufa several times but for few days each time. I will go again for sure and I wouldn't mind to spend some more time in Ufa.
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How expensive is Ufa?
It's certainly cheaper than Moscow, but it's no bargain. Mind you, Lukasek stayed for several weeks on the budget plan and had a ball so there you go. But very very few people speak English in Ufa regardless of the oil biz there.
Bez Bezarra
05-14-09, 18:14
In the provinces, if you limit your sponsorettes to strictly 18-19 year university and institute non-pros, or only the most expensive new/model type escorts service dyevochkas 18-19 years, AND are willing to go above and beyond when necessary to ensure you don't hear them say the word, "nye magoo", you can expect to add minimum $3000 per week to your local province capital city economy.
You will be quite popular too as a beloved benefactor. And after 3 weeks at that pace, that is, minimum 2 full GFE's per day, you will really need a long rest, if you are not a young energetic monger anymore.
As I've already mentioned, this budget does include all expenses except airfare, but includes rent for a nice apartment in the very heart of the center on the city's main street where EVERYONE walks right under my balcony, so any girl that agrees to come meet me, means I need walk no more than a half a block to get to her. Ok, so I'm the world's laziest monger, but I need to save my energy for other activities. ;)
It is not much more expensive than Samara and for free if compares it to Moscow, cheaper than Piter too, even if in Piter you have for example many places where to eat and in Ufa you will only end to eat to the couples of the two most expensive ones, cause the others look not so good.
However ok, just to make you understand better, even in top notch club as Jet Club, the prices seem to me even better than in Prague, so very affordable.
Obviously if you drink only Dom Perignon, you are gonna to expect to pay a lot, but even if I like good food, I drink beer or Coca Cola, as, it seems to a paradox for me, with all the wine I have at home, to go to pay 2x price to get half quality LOL.
On the disco of second floor of Jet Club, if I remember well a cocktail was about 5 euro, now with ruble weaker, even cheaper.
The biggest price is accomodation, as I saw in every city in the provincies, only very expensive hotel or shitty flat: I choose the first in Ufa and the second in Samara as you know from my reports...
P.S. Actually I do not know if to wish you to go there and to report and make me want to go there back or if to go end of summer directly to termas girls in Rio.....very hard to decide, cause it is the choice between top notch quality of pussy, russian women, with no feeling of holiday ( I got so boring in Ufa during the day....) or to have less beautiful women, but to live at 25 hours per day, including swimming in the ocean, hot weather and GFE with terma girls....we will see....
Lukasek is right her.
If you want high quality/glamour/exclusive you'll have to pay it no matter it's Moscow or Ufa.
Compared to Samara Ufa is more expencive. Not for the prices at night clubs. When I compared prices in the supermarkets, electricity costs, apartment rent (for local people), electricity costs, even car registration and insurance all this things cost more in Ufa. Most probably in Ufa payments are higher and also there's some "city tax" on everything.
In Jet club prices are normal for typical foreigner from the west but also they have very expencive drinks like "12 year old whiskey" with the price of 70 Euro a glass. Lukasek tricky dilemma I know what you mean. Last summer when I was in Samara I met there two girls from Rio and we had some great time if you know what I mean.
Kurenda privetik ;)
maybe another reason why Ufa is a bit, not so much for me, more expensive than Samara it is also cause we compare a normal city with a capital city. No much matter the country you consider, but capital is always more expensive and has better salary too.
I am so happy I do not like whiskey LOL
However what was so funny, that in Ufa, Samara and Piter 1 hour with girl, no matter if tochka from the first two cities or from privat apartment in the third city, everytime they costed me between 1500-2000 rubles, this is something everybody should think about very well before to decide where to go....it is like to say that Mac menu has almost the same price in every Mac Donald's but some of them are so far that to get there, indeed the same stuff it is gonna to costs you much more....
Izvini drug....escio raz.... you met 2 girls from Rio de Janeiro in Samara ?
It is like to meet a white bear in Africa, so uncommon and not usually :) What they did there ?
Photos of shopping center Evropa in Ufa and typical muslim....church ? ;)
Yes Lukasek it is like that. Thinking that p4p will have lower prices in russian province is not always right. P4p prices in provinces seems to be dictated from Moscow. Many girls who are serious about p4p and are living in provices simply go to Moscow because they can have more customers there of course.
If Ufa for example there will be far less clients than in Moscow so p4p keeps it's price. Only some very low and suspicious quality (drug users, drunks, etc) can have very low price in provinces like 500 roubles or so.
Yes girls from Rio in Samara. How? Samara they have SGAU which is Samara state aeronautical aerospace university which which is of high quality. There are small number of foreign students there. Mainly from 3rd world countries. I met this guy Rodrigo from Rio last summer, who was student there because he plans to later work brazilian space agency. He had a really hard time in Samara being there and simply could not adapt to the local way of life.
The thing is he had a two girls from Rio coming to Samara to visit him and staying for a month. One was his half sister and other a distant cousin. Brasilian guy was busy with his unversity exams and asked me if I can show the girls around because their russian was non existing but they had a solid knowledge of english. So I gladly showed them around and we had a great time in every possible way if you know what I mean. I'm not expert in brazilian girls but this two looked good in my opinion and have those amazing brazilian butts.
Lukasek photos are nice and no it's no muslim "church" on the photo. The correct word for muslim religious object is mosque. But building on the photo is medresa, muslim school and it was build with money from Saudi Arabia.
Kurenda yes, now I remember I read somewhere Samara has a good aeronautical aerospace university and close to shopping center, I saw even an old space ship or satellit, look to the photo here and you know what I mean :)
Thanks for share the story of 2 brazilian girls, you was really lucky, or very good :) cause the chance to score brazilian girls so close to Sibir were almost zero and it reminds me, one more time, that sometimes if you are in the right place at the right moment, you can get something unforgettable ;)
And it is always successfull and quite easy to open doors, once you stop to be a turist and you get in touch with ordinary people, students and so on and not only with girls that party at the night in the clubs.
This is what I regret, I was there not enough time to start to live as one of them with the positive thing that as foreigner in not turistic city in the provincies, you still means something "interesting" for the girls :)
The photo is shopping center "Fregat" this anttena form mobile phones and local radio stations.
Brazilian girls in Samara was a pure luck and I happened to be at the right place at the right time.
But last year I travelled by train from Moscow to Irkutsk and I shared coupe with brazilian guy from Sao Paolo, his name was Oswaldo. He told me he works fro brazilan company which imports aluminum from russian company Rusal (they are located in Siberia). This brazilian company is located in Vladivostok because they ship aluminum by sea and they have their offices there. The guy told me they have about 150 employees and about half of them are from Brazil including women also. So I guess there must be few of the hot brazilian chicks there. But I don't have more details.
In Samara I even hooked up with few imported french speaking girls. There is a french high school in Samara called "Alianze franceze" or something like that. They have teachers from french speaking countries (France, Belgium and Switzerland. I met 4 of them (two from France, and one each from Belgium and Switzerland) in Polet club where they were regulars getting drunk on those cheap drinks. And it was great in any way possible because it was a summer and they decided to stay in Samara. To practice russian but their knowledge was next to none. I didn't mind it since one of the french girls let me stay in her apartment for a whole month together with her of course.
Now somebody might ask what the hell they were in Sara of all places? Simple they applied with russian government to be teachers in those french schools. And they were hoping they will go to Moscow or St. Petersburg. But russian government gave them the list of 5 cities (total privinces) to choose one fo them or they will not work. So they choose Samara becuase as I was explained Samara was the biggest of them (and they thought becuase of the size Samara is great place) and also becuase Samara is no the river. But in Russia most cities are on the river.
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The photo is shopping center "Fregat" this anttena form mobile phones and local radio stations....
Sorry for mistake Kurenda, I was told it is a piece from spaceship or satellit from the owner of the flat and so far it looks strange and so big, I believed him.
Here the only nice thing to see, the train station at the night, from the top you have great view of the city.
There is a french high school in Samara called "Alianze franceze" or something like that.
Alliance Francaise is not only a french high school. It's an organization whose mission is to promote french language and culture outside France. Its primary concern is teaching french as a second language and organizing cultural events. There's about 1150 locations in 130 different countries. In a place like Brasil, which is keen on french culture, there's some 80 Alliances throughout the country (six only in Rio de Janeiro!) ...when I used to travel extensively there, Alliances Francaises were among my favorite hunting grounds ... there was always plenty of meninas eager to talk with a cosmopolitan french traveller. :)
Anyhow Russian elites have always been exceedingly "francophile", so I'm not surprised that there's a significant number of Alliances in Russia.
http://www.afrus.ru/rus/af
Note to self : if travelling to provinces, not forgetting to visit the local Alliances to promote cordial international physical relations between people of France and Russia. :)
Can anyone help me with some information about how to find girls in Sochi?
Not literally, but going to KAZAN soon and not a single post about the city.
There's a lot of investment continuing, so there must be money, so there must be dyevs.
Any experiences or advice to pass on? Spasibo!
Bez Bezarra
06-01-09, 12:54
Not literally, but going to KAZAN soon and not a single post about the city.
Check Kurenda's post #2986 in the Moscow thread.
On my every trip to Russia I always go to Novosibirsk.
Kurenda how do you arrange your accommodation when you travel to provincial Russia ?
If you stay in apartments would you mind sharring your contacts for Novosibirsk or Rostov ?
Proposal it's simple for me. I don't stay in hotels and I don't rent apartments.
I know a lots of people in Russia (some for many years) in many cities, and I always stay with them. Meaning I'm sleeping in their apartments and eat at their tables.
So about apartment rentals try internet search, but for Novosibirsk I know about this which may help.
http://novosibirskguide.com/find-a-flat2/
for Novosibirsk I know about this which may help.
http://novosibirskguide.com/find-a-flat2/
Thanks for the link. It seems it isn't easy to find apartment rentals in provincial Russia.
Last year I made an internet search for Krasnodar and couldn't find nothing, which was the reason why I chosed Tashkent, where arranging apartments is very easy.
In great majority of provincial places in Russia no matter how big they are it's tricky to find appartment for a short term stay.
The reason is simple. In each town there is usally some big hotel with certain comfort and quality and there are people behind this hotel. Owners/investitors who are usually local oligarchs, meyer, gubernator, etc.
And their opinion is that anybody coming to their city (especially foreigners) MUST stay in their hotel and leave the money. NOT in some other place. So if there is agency provinding apartment rental this people will do everything to kill the competition. This include arson of offices and apartments, threats, physicall attacks, anything you can imagine. Most usually they are very successfull in their attempts to remove accomodation competition (and any other of course).
Gentleman Travel
06-15-09, 21:49
It is possible that I will have to go to Anadyr in Chukotka, one of the points furtherest east (north east) in Russia, and a little town of 11,000 for a few days. Anybody know anything about mongering there? It seems likely to be pretty barren, given the small population and isolation. But at least Mamba has some listings for it, although some of those appear fake/phishing. The upside is that racially it seems diverse - i.e. has a lot of Russians, rather than just Inuit/Chukchi.
How about getting there? I recall a discussion here recently about the lack of western flights from the US to Russia - does everything really have to start in Moscow?
Hell, you can almost walk to Alaska from there!
Some flights I found looked to come direct from Moscow and others routed through Khabarovsk - anyone know that city?
At least with a population of 500,000 it must have some mongering available...
It would seem silly to travel the entire breadth of Russia and monger only around the Moscow airport!!!
In great majority of provincial places in Russia no matter how big they are it's tricky to find appartment for a short term stay.
The reason is simple. In each town there is usally some big hotel with certain comfort and quality and there are people behind this hotel. Owners/investitors who are usually local oligarchs, meyer, gubernator, etc.
And their opinion is that anybody coming to their city (especially foreigners) MUST stay in their hotel and leave the money. NOT in some other place. So if there is agency provinding apartment rental this people will do everything to kill the competition. This include arson of offices and apartments, threats, physicall attacks, anything you can imagine. Most usually they are very successfull in their attempts to remove accomodation competition (and any other of course).My experience is that this completely untrue. Sure, you will find very few places with English-language advertisements or web pages, but in every town you can find apartments (even in small towns I've been in with 100,000 or fewer people). Usually there will be agency numbers to call for apartments posted at the train station. In bigger towns there will be babushki at the train station too asking for renters. If all else fails go to a kiosk and ask for the paper "iz ruk v ruki" which has local versions for almost all towns and in the classifieds you will find apartments for rent.
Latexian you are right about what you said.
But only if you have russian knowledge.
For a foreigner not speaking russian it will not be easy to get apartment in provincial Russia uless having some local support.
GT I've been to Anadyr three times. Every time with military plane.
The only way to go there is by plane from Moscow to Petropavlovsk Kamchatski.
And from there you can get local small plane, boat or by road.
OK no real road but any direction where off road truck can go.
Or from some city on the east russian coast like Khabarovsk or Vladivostok using local airline.
Anadyr is basically military town bulid to serve soviet airforce base named Ugolny. This base was closed some 10 years ago and all military personel and their families are mostly gone. 11 000 population? In my opinion much less maybe 2000-3000 less.
The alternative way to go there is by cargo ship from Alaska. They come and go. Main cargo being vodka. I was at Anadyr airport back in 1997 when Il-76 cargo plane crashed there and everybody run to save the precious cargo - 40 000 bottles of vodka.
Mongering in Andayr? That would be interesting since great majority of population there seem to be male. They for sure have some local skanks.
Each time I was in Anadyr it was during winter so it was cold and dark.
I went to few drinking holes with locals and they showed me few "pros" but they all were of the type not even for free and touch her only with long pole.
But stranger things happen in life so it can be possible to sponsor a girl there. But keep in mind the place is so small and isolated that everybody will know some foreigner arrived. This can be both good and bad. Two times in Andyr they tried to rob me but I offered them my watch and they run away.
Khabarovsk is large city on Amur river but it seems they have tight control because of the large military industrial complex there and also because of the space center being build there. Not many people know about this city even Havier Solana on his recent meeting with Medved didn't know where he was so president Medvedev gave him map of Russian for next time. Sure there can be some mongering availalbe. But when I was in Khabarovsk I was amazed with huge numbers of chinese sw so many of them that police was loading them in truck and sending them over the border. Their price was very low since most of them wanted money to spend in local casinos.
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Khabarovsk is large city on Amur river but it seems they have tight control because of the large military industrial complex there and also because of the space center being build there. Not many people know about this city even Havier Solana on his recent meeting with Medved didn't know where he was so president Medvedev gave him map of Russian for next time. Sure there can be some mongering availalbe. But when I was in Khabarovsk I was amazed with huge numbers of chinese sw so many of them that police was loading them in truck and sending them over the border. Their price was very low since most of them wanted money to spend in local casinos.
I've never been to Khabarovsk, but roughly 90% of the Russian working girls I met in Asia were from there. Not only were they too embarrassed to ply their trade in their home town, but they also said they could make far more money outside Russia. I could believe this for Japan and Korea, as both have sky-high p4p prices, but didn't expect it for China, where p4p is roughly half the price it is here in Moscow.
Gentleman Travel
06-17-09, 14:25
GT I've been to Anadyr three times. Every time with military plane.
Mongering in Andayr? That would be interesting since great majority of population there seem to be male. They for sure have some local skanks.THANKS! I really did not expect to find anyone with such detailed knowledge of such an obscure place! Having been in similar towns in Canada, I really don't expect much except for drinking in Anadyr, although I have already made contact with one girl. I have also discovered that one girl (stunningly beautiful) I have been talking to for a long time is from Khabarovsk and will be returning there this summer! So it might not be as bleak and barren as I feared.
Latexian you are right about what you said.
But only if you have russian knowledge.
For a foreigner not speaking russian it will not be easy to get apartment in provincial Russia uless having some local support.Kurenda you have some amazing stories.
I think you are right and this is one of the many reasons why I don't think anyone should be traveling in provincial Russia without some conversational Russian. You can survive with basic Russian but you'll have so many problems you'd have more fun in Piter or Moscow.
But yes, if you do know Russian there are transportation options, one or more decent clubs, and private apartments in every town that's bigger than about 30,000 people. And the upside is that there is still some "white god factor" in the provinces that doesn't exist any more in Moscow and Petersburg (or at least not much).
GT if you're going to Andayr the only good time would be in summer. Don't go there later than September and earlier than April. Becuase of the weather and such. Also about making contact with the girl from there pay double attention. You never know what's behind that.
Pizdyets, russian working girl in Khabarovsk is rare sight. Can't say there aren't any but openly no. Some 15 years ago there was this guy in Khabarovsk Malinovsky or something nick named "Amur Ripper". Why?
Because he was a serial killer with speciality to kill prostitutes. It was proved he killed 12 of them but he claimed much more than that and his task was to clear his home town from immorality. Police always claimed he did not worked alone and the guy was mentioning his "disciples". Guess this is why there are no sw there. I think there was misunderstanding. I didn't said russian girls from Khabarovsk are going to China to work as prostitutes but vice versa. Chines girls are coming to Khabarovsk in large numbers and for low price. This also can be a reason why russian prostitutes are rare in Khabarovsk. Those girls from China come mainly from town Pink Yang. I was told those of better quality go to Vladivostok and those of low quality come Khabarovsk. And of course they are of low quality but also price is low. When I was in Khabarovsk in 2007 the price was 20-30$ for a whole night or 50$ for two girls for a night. These chinese girls had only in mind to get money for gambling in casinos in Khabarovsk.
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Bez Bezarra
06-18-09, 23:27
Chinese girls had only in mind to get money for gambling in casinos in Khabarovsk.
Should I write casino gambling as MY reason to apply for tourist visa for Khabarovsk? :)
Latexian2 this is the right situation.
Anyone who wants to go to provincial Russia just like that for no obvious reason (mongering aside) should first reconsider what are they doing.
Better be safe that sorry.
Babushkas at the train stations looking for renters are common site in Russia no matter how big is the town. But also it is typical bate from robbers. Somebody agree to get apartment from babushka and she takes you to some place where yuo got jumped by gang of several people who usually beat you up, take your money and possessions and dumps you at the town outskirts.
I never heard anything like that happened to foreigner (wich doesn't mean it never happened) but for Russians this is like morning coffee. It happened all the time murders included. Famous is babuska Nastya from Perm who in 2006 personally killed 5 of her "tenants" with the axe. She picked them at the train station, travelers who were looking for accomodation. Crazy babushka told the court she killed them because she needed moeny to pay the hitman which was supposed to kill her daughter in law and 13 year old granddaughter.
All in order to get apartment left after her son died.
Bez for the gambling in russian East better is Blagoveschensk than Khabarovsk
and also much of chinese sw.
Bez Bezarra
06-20-09, 04:18
Famous is babuska Nastya from Perm who in 2006 personally killed 5 of her "tenants" with the axe.
In 2006 I got stuck for 3 hours in the Perm airport one night from 2AM to 5AM, and they have a 7 foot tall stuffed brown bear on display with very large teeth and claws in the waiting room-office-lounge area, that was probably this Nastya after the courts executed her. No hatchet though..
Quite scary and interesting.
Do not worry Bez you had luck.
Murdering babushka was operating at Perm train station and not Perm airport.
And she couldn't be that bear either. She wasn't executed, but in typical russian manner sent to mental institution for a life time "observations".
Hy guy,
My first post here. Does somebody know about the pay sex scene in Krasnoyarsk?
It would be perfect if somebody have some tip for me.
So long.
Check this out:
http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/stickers?id_part=226&id_country=50&id_city=1741
http://www.rusdosug.com/?SiteCitySelector=%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%8F%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA&SiteCitySelected=Y&SearchByCity.x=10&SearchByCity.y=7
Dont take everything for granted, there are usually fake profiles.
In the city, taxi drivers can help if you speak russian.
With the shrinking British pound, and prices going up in EE countries, I am always on the look out for new cheap destinations in Eastern and Central Europe.
The cheapest destination in terms of air fares to get to from London, would be the Russian enclave bordering Poland and Lithuania, so I was just wondering has any one here got any recent or not too distant experience with the pp scene in Kaliningrad? A budget airline RyanAir flies from London to Gdansk in Poland, and from there it is easy to get to Kaliningrad just over the border, and this would be the cheapest way to have a Russian experience, asa air fares to Moskow from London are quite expensive, and from what I read Moskow is one of the most expensive cities in the world.
Any thoughts about this destination?
With the shrinking British pound, and prices going up in EE countries, I am always on the look out for new cheap destinations in Eastern and Central Europe.
The cheapest destination in terms of air fares to get to from London, would be the Russian enclave bordering Poland and Lithuania, so I was just wondering has any one here got any recent or not too distant experience with the pp scene in Kaliningrad? A budget airline RyanAir flies from London to Gdansk in Poland, and from there it is easy to get to Kaliningrad just over the border, and this would be the cheapest way to have a Russian experience, asa air fares to Moskow from London are quite expensive, and from what I read Moskow is one of the most expensive cities in the world.
Any thoughts about this destination?
Been there and was unimpressed. Kaliningrad also has a reputation within Russia for being expensive. Nothing on the order of Moscow, of course, but far above your average provincial city. IIRC, it's ranked the 4th most expensive city in Russia (after Moscow, Piter and Sakhalin). IMHO, you'd be better off hitting Kiev. Ukrainian economy is in a shambles and you don't need a visa either. Haven't researched flights from London, but I'm guessing it won't be too much more than flying to Poland. Okay, it's not cheap either, but you can do it on a budget if you stay in an apartment.
That said, Skank was telling me that he's had fun in Kaliningrad, so maybe it was just me...
Been there and was unimpressed. Kaliningrad also has a reputation within Russia for being expensive. Nothing on the order of Moscow, of course, but far above your average provincial city. IIRC, it's ranked the 4th most expensive city in Russia (after Moscow, Piter and Sakhalin). IMHO, you'd be better off hitting Kiev. Ukrainian economy is in a shambles and you don't need a visa either. Haven't researched flights from London, but I'm guessing it won't be too much more than flying to Poland. Okay, it's not cheap either, but you can do it on a budget if you stay in an apartment.
That said, Skank was telling me that he's had fun in Kaliningrad, so maybe it was just me...Thanks
British passport holders get Russian visas issued on arrival at KALININGrad, if it is less than 4 days duration., so that's one big hurdle out of the way.
I am hitting kiev in sept already booked on wizzair £105 return, and this the lowest that I found.
With ryanair you could get a low fare return from london to gdansk £20, and it is 5 hours on regular bus to kaliningrad cost one way 32lpn zloty.
Checked some hotels in kaliningrad prices not bad either, so even with a more expensive fare from london, it would still work out quite cheap about £75 return
Would really appreciate a more detailed input re girls clubs prices taxis and so on, to complete the picture.
Can we hear from SKANK re this spot.
Many thanks in anticipation
British passport holders get Russian visas issued on arrival at KALININGrad, if it is less than 4 days duration.
Jojo, are you absolutely sure about this?
And if so, how much does that cost ???
Jojo, are you absolutely sure about this?
And if so, how much does that cost ???I have it in black and white by a company here in the uk called (REGENT HOLIDAYS. Co. Uk ] and they do packages from uk to kaliningrad for 4 days. Hotel plus flight from £ 350 british pounds
I will phone them today to double check and report back on cost of visa.
Kaliningrad is quite expencive (for a foreigner) at the top of russian scale.
More than Sakhalin - checked both places. Locals told me that's not like in Moscow but close to StP.
Kaliningrad is economic free zone, there are many foreign companies there.
Like car manufacture of BMW and Hummer.
Yes there is possibillity to get russian visa on arrival in Kaliningrad.
This is valid for some countires (sorry I don't know the full list) and the thing was like this (in July 2008 when I was there, don't know if something is changed now - it might):
- vissa is issued on airport only (not on ground border - it might be changed now)
- maximal duration of stay in Kaliningrad was 72 hours (3 days)
- you can't go to "main" Russia with this visa.
I think "Kaliningrad visa" looks different than standard russian visa. In the green colour or somethnig but forgot.
I met two Germans who got their visas this way and they payed their visas 120$ at the airport.
So for british passports holders I don't know what's the situation having in mind between UK and Russia there's always a problem.
To enter into this part of Russia from Poland there are just two border crossings - Braniewo and Gorowo Haweckie. Ground crossing is mostly problematic. Keep in mind that Kaliningrad is part of Russia going under "special administrative area". Due to beeing border area and also because of plentu military instalations there. Kaliningrad is the most heavily militarized area in Europe.
In Kaliningrad there are lots of polish pros, semipros, sw, etc. Keep in mind they cost more than in Poland.
I have it in black and white by a company here in the uk called (REGENT HOLIDAYS. Co. Uk ] and they do packages from uk to kaliningrad for 4 days. Hotel plus flight from £ 350 british pounds
I will phone them today to double check and report back on cost of visa.here is the update on kaliningrad you give details of your passport and personal details, make the booking hotel etc with the tour co here in the uk, and the visa will be issued on arrival at kaliningrad airport, max 72 hours. Cost £65 to £70
They no longer have dierect flights from the uk to kaliningrad on kd avia, this was stopped this year.
As for hookers being more expensive than poland, this would defeat the object of going to kaliningrad ie cheaper pussy.
Doctor_Skank
08-04-09, 21:07
Would really appreciate a more detailed input re girls clubs prices taxis and so on, to complete the picture.
Can we hear from SKANK re this spot.
Many thanks in anticipationSorry, haven't been there in over a year and was only doing the girlfriend thing last time. No current insight on pro sex, but obviously there are salons etc., for example this one: (http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/stickers?id_part=242&id_country=50&id_city=1417) ... 1500 rub/hour. That's cheap, certainly cheaper than Kiev.
And there will be girls around the bar in the disco that are POTENTIAL working girls. You'll have to play it by ear.
Taxis are cheap and unlike the rest of Russia with its gypsy cabs, there are hundreds if not thousands of cabs in Kaliningrad that'll give you a good price.
Go to the beach, which is about 45 min by car. There is also a train, but I always took a taxi, I think about $20-30.
Several nightclubs in Kaliningrad, for example Planeta. I'm pretty sure its still running.
Hotels were fairly cheap IIRC, but try to aim for the center.
Kaliningrad is OK, but Kiev is more fun IMO... although August is usually not a good month for Kiev. The adventurous type might prefer Kgrad.
Girls are fairly used to tourists however, but in a positive sense. Kaliningrad considers itself European and people are generally pretty eager to meet Westerners, at least in my experience. More so than in other Russian cities.
...maximal duration of stay in Kaliningrad was 72 hours (3 days)...
Really ? So you cannot stay there one week ?
Really ? So you cannot stay there one week ?
Luka, I think they are referring to the visa issued at the airport on arrival.
An experienced buccaneer like yourself with, say, a normal 30 day tourist visa in your passport could stay for the duration or perhaps spend a week there and then fly on to somewhere else in the Federation that takes your fancy.
But not Samara, probably...
Sorry, haven't been there in over a year and was only doing the girlfriend thing last time. No current insight on pro sex, but obviously there are salons etc., for example this one: (http://www.dosug.cz/servlet/ru/stickers?id_part=242&id_country=50&id_city=1417) ... 1500 rub/hour. That's cheap, certainly cheaper than Kiev.
And there will be girls around the bar in the disco that are POTENTIAL working girls. You'll have to play it by ear.
Taxis are cheap and unlike the rest of Russia with its gypsy cabs, there are hundreds if not thousands of cabs in Kaliningrad that'll give you a good price.
Go to the beach, which is about 45 min by car. There is also a train, but I always took a taxi, I think about $20-30.
Several nightclubs in Kaliningrad, for example Planeta. I'm pretty sure its still running.
Hotels were fairly cheap IIRC, but try to aim for the center.
Kaliningrad is OK, but Kiev is more fun IMO... although August is usually not a good month for Kiev. The adventurous type might prefer Kgrad.
Girls are fairly used to tourists however, but in a positive sense. Kaliningrad considers itself European and people are generally pretty eager to meet Westerners, at least in my experience. More so than in other Russian cities.Many thanks ,you put me in the picture .
People pay attention.
By russian law it is possible to receive a russian visa "arrival".
It can be issued to any airport that has international arrivals, without many formalities. Only need to fill in a single paper.
The visa is for duration of 3 days maximal and cost 120$.
There's a catch to receive a transit visa on arrival also in maximal duration of 10 days. But you must explain to the guys that you will take atrain from Moscow to China. Most probably you will need to show them the ticket.
The problem is the russian cutoms is not very ready to issue this visa on arrival if you land in Moscow or StP for exampla.
Today the practice to give this visa is only in "free economic zone" namely Kaliningrad and Yuzhno-Sahalinsk.
This visa is different than standard Russian visa.
This is basically what Jojosun was offered by that agency.
Only international flights to Kaliningrad are from Germany, Danemark and some baltic stat (forgot which one).
Kaliningrad taxi drivers are clever one. They quote you a good price and when they start driving you around the bil comes out high. Their expanation is simple "we can't go that direction, there's a military installation there so we must go around". Often they will take you close to military baracks where you can see soldiers and military equipment just over the fence and tell you "oops can't go that way we must go around". But actually there's no problem to go that way.
I agree with DS there are better places than Kaliningrad. Going to Kaliningrad you will not gain much, not going there you won't loose much.
In Kaliningrad foreigners are much better accepted. Never heard about attack on foriegner in Kaliningrad, while Voronezh is at the top list where attack on foreigners occur on daily basics. The reason is population in Kaliningrad is definitelly not a "pure slavic Russians". In Kaliningrad there are many people who are called "Russians" but some 40-50 years ago they actually were Poles, Germans, Lithuanins, etc. They got through process of russianization but still have their original mentality.
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Bez Bezarra
08-06-09, 02:33
Kaliningrad is OK, but Kiev is more fun
The adventurous type might prefer Kgrad.
Girls are fairly used to tourists however, but in a positive sense.
Kaliningrad considers itself European and people are generally pretty eager to meet Westerners, at least in my experience.
More so than in other Russian cities.
In the war, there was so much bombing and shelling, that not even one building was left standing intact, just a part of one, the rest was completely flattened. There's nothing old there, though there's also nothing modern about Soviet construction either, its drab and sad.
This could make you depressed if you're so inclined, but from a monger's POV, its a plus, if you are bringing some excitement into an otherwise boring life of a dyevushka.
European maybe, but after the war, the Reds shipped out all 50,000 Germans to gulags, leaving the city 100% communist proletariat.
Current population; 430,000. Compares in size to Golden Ring cities like Ivanovo and Tula.
As Skank says, a challenging province for a monger adventure.
In the war, there was so much bombing and shelling, that not even one building was left standing intact, just a part of one, the rest was completely flattened. There's nothing old there, though there's also nothing modern about Soviet construction either, its drab and sad.
Really? I saw a lot of dilapidated German-looking "houses" among the CommieBlocks. I can't believe those were built by Russians - it's not in their DNA to build such things!
The most striking building in Kaliningrad to me was the House of Soviets, which stood unfinished for over 40 years in the center of town. I was actually a bit sad to see that they had finished it by my last visit. Somehow, a hulking, deserted monstronsity in the location of a former (beautiful) German castle was more apropos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Königsberg_Castle
Bez Bezarra
08-06-09, 03:39
I meant in the center district.
Doctor_Skank
08-06-09, 22:22
The most striking building in Kaliningrad to me was the House of Soviets, which stood unfinished for over 40 years in the center of town. I was actually a bit sad to see that they had finished it by my last visit. Somehow, a hulking, deserted monstronsity in the location of a former (beautiful) German castle was more apropos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Königsberg_CastleReally? Last I saw it was stole a gigantic block of iron and concrete.
The German command bunker is pretty interesting. It's small and claustrophobic, but interesting and bowed in by residential buildings now, you could almost walk over it and miss it. It's a museum now.
I still think the coast is the best thing there though, although mostly just scenery as opposed to any real swinging action as far as I could tell.
Really? Last I saw it was stole a gigantic block of iron and concrete.
Yeah, check out the wikipedia link I posted last time. I kinda preferred the old version. More Stalker-esque.
Jhon Smith400
08-23-09, 15:42
Hi Utchitel,
Are you still teaching French in Briansk or FSU? Then we can be hunting partners.
I am coming to Russia next week for 4 weeks. I am an Indian tourist in mid forties, 5' 9", 68 kg, some says good looking, not fat, with enough courage to approach a girl.
If you are in FSU, I will join your French classes, then will throw a party for girls (selected by you and I will invite you also). Then we can socialize and go ahead.
I can be your disguised, discreet messenger and also will try to know any girls love feeling towards you.
Together we can achieve much more then expected.
So if you want tell me on this forum.
For private messaging, I will pay your subscription to this site.
Please reply quickly.
The city has definetively not the most exiting sex scene i Russia.
Here is my experience: I saw 5 girls sitting in the lobby in the SAS-hotel (Lazurnaya). 3 of them were rather beautiful. I asked the most beautiful about the price and she aswered 15 000 rubles! Forget it. Next try at the beach balustrade. Asked a couple of russian men for an advice. They said: go to Zhentsjur (pearl in russian). So I went, but no girls were there. But I was told that I could bring any girl into the hotel for 1500 rubles. This was the small hotel, not the big one wich has the same name (pearl), but in a longer version. Maybe I was mistaken. Which I didn't understand at that moment. So I asked the first and best taxi driver I met (som meters uphill on the other side of the road). He turned out to be a sympathetic fellow and took me to the train station. We negotiated with a mamasan and ended up on 1500 rubles for a girl. I was told stories about the most beautiful girls in town etc. Which is normally crap and which was crap. First I was presented for an ok but not enough classy girl. I denied. Off we went to an apartment with an ugly old ukrainian girl. Mamasan tried to push into her arms (not physically fortunately). I wasn't interested and they let me in peace and told me another girl would arrive. I waited for about 15 minutes and was about to leave when an asiatic looking girls came walking in. She was a little bit too tall for my preferences, but she had an nice smile and attitude so I agreed. We went into the room and I discovered that she spoke fluently english - much better than my russian. She was a teacher in english in Usbekistan. An what a nice and interesting girl! She gave me full service and wanted me to stay for an hour - I guess in order to practice her english. I gave her 500 rubles extra og said goodbye with a big smile on my lips.
Conclusion: The small pearl hotel will acept you with a girl if you find one. In some hotels you can find girls, but they are probably extremely expensive (but also beautiful). Things are happening around the train station, but you probably have to talk to a taxi driver. You never now what you can get, but don't give in until you are satisfied, and maybe you will have the right one. It's always ok to say NO.
Jhon Smith400
09-09-09, 15:35
Hello Dear Friends,
I am now in Volgograd. If any one is here, I invite you for drinks. Then we can hunt together.
Any info about rented apartments is welcome, preferably near Uni. area
If scene is favorable, I will stay here for 2 weeks. Otherwise depart for Lugansk.
Lurkingdog
10-01-09, 23:30
I was in Kazan last week on some business. Didn't have a lot of time to search around but I believe there are a number of gentlemen's clubs around. One, Arenda (sp? ) is right on Pushkin Street near the beginning of Bauman. The entrance is at street level and you go down.- however, beware of Sunday evening. That's when I happened to go and discovered, speaking with the hostess with my bad Russian and her broken English, that it is MALE dancers on Sundays.- so be forewarned! There is also a 1001 nights club that I saw from the outside but didn't get a chance to partake of.- it's on the main street leading from Pushkin going towards the Millenium Park. If anyone else has any experience in this city, please post.
Thanks,
LD
Spanish Fly
10-24-09, 18:01
I have been to Kazan a nice number of times due to long term projects there.... And although not my favorite city, I can say that it is certainly full of possibilities.... In your post, you probably mean "Arena" (not "arenda")... Great place, but careful, there are 2 different places inside the same "complex". The one on the left (if you look from outside) it's the disco... a big one with several bars/floors/atmospheres (dance/r'n'b/karaoke... etc....), the one on the right (in the same side of the building and same entrance from the street than Casino) is a smaller disco, but with usually BETTER material for those older than 30 (like myself). I don't mean girls... (you can easyly find 20-21 y.o. girls there) but from the general atmosphere and music....
Some pro's or semi-pro's but it is hard to tell the difference at first sight if you are not very experienced... (don't forget that most of girls in motherland, specially young girls, like the slutty style more than anything else...).
I am not much into the pro scene, specially if you have some time (not 2-3 days) in one city, and you can invest some time and money to find a freebie. This is a place where I have scored several times, and it is worth a visit.
Sahara is another not-so-bad place, but for all of you not very seasoned in Russia, the concept restaurant-bar-disco is all mixed-up in Russia.... There are few discos which are not also restaurants (sometimes even GOOD restaurants) and vice-versa....
At "Sahara" I still remember some kind of Beer promotion (one specific brand), that when you ordered a beer of that kind, some topless girl got the beer delivered.... that's advertising! (Please, I am talking of a very normal restaurant in the middle of a very popular mall.... not exactly a titty bar...
Anyway, I haven't come back to Kazan in a few months, so some of the address and places are starting to fade in my memory, but if you have any specific question, I can always try to answer....
Good luck! And good hunting!
I'm sorry to be a noob but I've never had luck creating my own threads on these forums so I will just add these questions as a "report". There is a button that says that I can make a new thread but it never works.
What is the Russian word for "salon"? Is there a slang word for them?
Kurenda mentioned a type of apartment called a "working apartment" and seemed to indicate that they are less safe. What is the word the locals use to refer to those?
Stravinsky
10-28-09, 16:52
I'm sorry to be a noob but I've never had luck creating my own threads on these forums so I will just add these questions as a "report". There is a button that says that I can make a new thread but it never works.It's all a ruse.
Jackson doesn't allow us to make new threads. That privilege is reserved for the BA mongers. Probably best to put this in the Russian Words and Phrases thread.
The Russian word for salon is, well... "salon". Russians are more likely to use the word "bordello". Another word is "publichni dom" (public house), which is nothing like a public house in England. This is a house where working girls ply their trade.
I don't know which word Kurenda was referring to.
One O Nine
10-30-09, 09:22
flew in last night after a long day at work, settled at the moscow hotel. nice rooms, good service, tiny beds. contemplated going out and checking out the freebie scene, but figured i’d rather go pro and get a few extra hours of sleep. found this site nalevo.org which asks you to register to see pictures of girls. called them up. “do i need to register to see photos?” “oh no, don’t bother, they’re just girls from magazines, you know how it is.” “i see. so how do i choose?” “we’ll bring 2-3 girls over to you, pick whoever you like” “well all right. i’m at the moscow hotel…” “oh, there? they won’t let you bring a girl in. they’ve got their own prostitutes they want you to get. but our girls are cheaper and prettier. we can take you to a room, no problem. it’s only 2500 r for 2 hours for the girl, and 1000 for the room.” so i said “fine”.
30 minutes later there was a car parked by the hotel with 3 girls in it. 1 was an absolute dog, the second one wasn’t too bad, and the third one was actually hot. tall slender brunette, probably early 20s, nice hair and make-up, well kept, wouldn’t look out of place at nightflight. easy choice. the driver drove us down to some sauna, and as i was asking if i could pay for 1 hour, the girl said “1 hour? with a girl like me? take 2 hours, i’ll make it worth your while” and winked at me. so of course i paid for 2.
in the room, everything changed. she just sat down in the corner and started smoking, staring at the ceiling. “is everything all right?” “yeah yeah, i’ll just finish this cigarette and be fine”. this went on for 15 minutes. finally she went to the shower, where she spent another 15 minutes yapping on the phone with the water running.
then she comes out in her underwear and says “you got any condoms?” “no” “cause i only got this one”. ffffuuuuuu…. she goes to her purse, and as i’m looking over her shoulder, there’s a whole box of condoms in there. “oh right, i forgot i had these… you like blowjobs?” as i was coming up with a rep001hing reply, she says “cause these condoms hurt my mouth. i can’t give you a blowjob with these. and i don’t do blowjobs without a condom.” great.
took another 10 uncomfortable minutes to finally get her to bed, she rolled the condom on, and started on the most pathetic handjob known to man, looking at me with the look of a vet putting down an especially ugly dog. she “got tired” after 30 seconds, rolled over and lay there like a log, staring at the ceiling. can’t touch her here. can’t touch her there. sigh. no don’t do that. “then what are we going to do for 2 hours?” “i don’t know, can’t you just be done quickly and we’ll get out of here? i got things to do.”
that’s when i finally had enough. i called up the dispatcher and complained. she was really apologetic, said they’ll send three more girls for me to look at and make it up for me. the driver was there in 10 minutes. with no girls. refunded me 1000 for the remaining hour and started leaving. “where are the other girls?” “no other girls. you’re done”. “are you going to drive me back to the hotel?” “no. i’m not a taxi.” i got in the car anyway and told him to drive me back. as i was in the car, i kept trying to call the dispatcher, but she kept hanging up on me. i asked the driver to call her, and she basically told me to get out of the car and go fuck myself.
so there’s a warning gents. stay away from nalevo.org, 39-15-05.
after i got back, i asked the hotel security guard if they had girls. he said sure, we’ll get you whatever you want within 30 minutes. i asked for a bar rafaeli type but prettier. “ok. and if we can’t find that?” “then somebody not too old and not too chubby. hopefully young and pretty”. and what do you know, i had a knock on my door 15 minutes later, and there was a young pretty girl there. not exceptionally hot but a nice face and a nice body, and with a very nice personality. had a nice chat, had a couple of rounds sex, and it would have been pretty good if not for the fact that she was missing both of her upper left premolars.
fucking kaliningrad, man. fucking kaliningrad.
Stravinsky
10-30-09, 15:43
One O Nine,
Good to have you back! And thanks for the warning about nalevo.org. Sorry about your bad night, but it made for an excellent story. :)
Myself, I would have gone for the hotel girl first. But then, if you had done that, the girl from nalevo would have turned out to be a wildcat. Это просто логично (it's only logical).
One O Nine,
I am sorry for your sad adventure, are you sure she was russian and not from west europe ? It seems all the whole world is gonna to change, even the russian girls are not as some years before....
Btw I was thinking to go back to one FSU country, when 2 days ago, I went to German to give a try to FKK.... well, so good, so cheap, so close, so...not Russia for the moment.....
Yes, FKK does not give the great feeling Sibiria gives, even I spoke in russian with one from Minsk today and from Moscow yesterday, but with just 2-3 days of holiday is a truly heaven....hardly suggested for all guys here that still did not try FKK....
Btw she is only waiting to have enough money to buy 2 golden premolars ;)
Thanks for the report...
Bez Bezarra
10-31-09, 01:12
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Asking if I could pay for 1 hour, the girl said “Take 2 hours, I’ll make it worth your while” and winked at me. So of course I paid for 2.
In the room, everything changed.
She sat smoking for 15 minutes, went to the shower another 15 minutes.
Then she comes out and says I can’t give you a blowjob with these and I don’t do blowjobs without.
Another 10 uncomfortable minutes to bed, looking at me with the look of a vet putting down an especially ugly dog.
Staring at the ceiling.
Can’t touch her here or there.
Sigh.
No don’t.
I got things to do.
The dispatcher was apologetic, said they’ll send three more girls.
The driver was there with no girls.
I kept trying to call the dispatcher, but she kept hanging up on me, she told me to go fuck myself.
Your story gave me 50 deja vu's!
This is EXACTLY how they are, EVERYWHERE!
Its the lying gene that causes this, they are incapable of even the thinnest shred of honesty.
Right down to every single detail, dyev after dyev, they are taught and trained this way, to make sure you despise them at the highest level possible.
Fortunately, occasionally, it is possible to catch some before they've completed their training and perfected this technique, but that's the real challenge, though for many others, they need no training at all, as they're born this way naturally.
Once in a while, it is possible to find an exception. If you're lucky.
Its a big fucking if.
Helps a bit if you insist 18 or 19 years ONLY.
That results in either a go fuck yourself, or they just send the old hags that swear they're 19 when they're actually 42!
Ah, life's full of fun in the oblasts!
One O Nine
11-01-09, 08:59
Just wanted to follow up on my Disaster at Kaliningrad post and let you guys know that the freebie scene here more than makes up for it. I'm having an even easier time than in the Ukraine, which I had thought was freebie capital of the world. Gorgeous girls that can hold a conversation, easy going and not at all spoiled, and they actually throw themselves at you. Holy crap.
If you speak Russian and are into the freebie scene, Kaliningrad is just awesome. And it's the end of October, November even. I hear it's even better in the summer, when the vacation crowds are here.
I'm having an even easier time than in the Ukraine, which I had thought was freebie capital of the world. Gorgeous girls that can hold a conversation, easy going and not at all spoiled, and they actually throw themselves at you. Holy crap.
Seems great. Thanks for the info One O Nine. I have 3 weeks vacations in December and seriously ponder about leaving the uzbek dyevs for awhile to linger in a russian provincial city. May I chime in with a few questions ?
Is there in Kaliningrad some upper-scale mall with trendy cafes where women congregate on afternoons and evenings ?
Also you didn't elaborate about the strip bars scene. I personally love strip bars when they are humanely priced ...any place you recommend ?
And last, any update about your favorite spots to chase non-pros (weekdays and weekends), and is there among them some kind of "after-hours", i.e. a place more busy than the others late at night, especially on weekdays ?
Thanks in advance.
One O Nine
11-01-09, 19:16
Is there in Kaliningrad some upper-scale mall with trendy cafes where women congregate on afternoons and evenings ?
The town is not really developed in the civilized sense. There is one mall I've been to, and it was mostly filled with the bored trophy wives of local businessmen, i.e. pretty lousy game.
Young girls literally congregate around grocery stores in the evening. The town is boring as hell, and tons of girls don't have money to go out.
Also you didn't elaborate about the strip bars scene. I personally love strip bars when they are humanely priced ...any place you recommend ?
Dunno. Somebody was telling me about Kaliningrad's first strip club that completely shocked the entire region when it first opened. Things like that just aren't done in that region. Somebody I work with is good friends with the DJ who used to work there. Apparently the place got closed down for some mafia or government reasons or what not. No idea if there are any more. Could be that there are none at all.
And last, any update about your favorite spots to chase non-pros (weekdays and weekends), and is there among them some kind of "after-hours", i.e. a place more busy than the others late at night, especially on weekdays ?
I just chatted up girls on the street, and I actually got approached by girls myself. Mostly around the Drama Theater - Prospect Mira area. The first time it happened, I half-expected the girl to turn out to be a pro, but she was too good looking to pass up either way. But no, she turned out to be completely free, financially independent with a well-paying job.
Second time I got picked up by an equally great looking chick (both of them at least 8s) in the elektrichka going to Zelenogradsk. The elektrichka is only 40 rubles one way, and for some reason it was completely filled with 70+ Russian grandmas talking about gardening and house cats. Then this brunette walks in, 5'11", great legs, great smile, sits across from me, and says "finally, a good looking guy in the old people's train." Two hours later we were freezing our asses off trying to have sex in a remote part of the beach.
This is seriously Dear Penthouse kind of stuff. My mind is completely blown.
This is seriously Dear Penthouse kind of stuff. My mind is completely blown.
Thanks for the infos. Kaliningrad seems damn good for non-pro chasing. Any particular reason why it seems better than others provincial russian cities ?
BTW if my memory serves, Felix Nordic also reported about the great time he had there.
I've a week trip in December in Nizhny Tagil. Any experience there? Any suggestion how to find a night sex?
Thanks.
Be careful there. It's a notorious place, surrounded by several high-security prisons. The jailbirds, once released, often settle down in town as they have nowhere else to go.
For a taste of goings-on, check out
http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=16405
Kaliningrad seems to be in fashion these days. By a strange coincidence, I had planned a short trip before One O Nine's report was even posted - hitting "Kenig" on November 28 and leaving on the evening of Dec 2. Glad to hear it's happy hunting! And as always, if you're in town the first beer (or Bloody Mary!) is on me.
Any recommendations on bars and clubs? I'm going there for the first time. Planeta/Dikii Dyuk seemed nice judging by the photos and reviews.
Guys don't be folled by this report.
Yes Nizhny Tagil is not the best place in the world, and there's many murders in Russia. Russia has one of the highest murder rate in the world. But it doesn't mean you will be killed.
Each year 2-3 hundreds of prostitutes end up dead in Moscow alone but no body makes a fuss about it.
As Russians love to say "Drunkards and prostitutes don't deserve tears".
After all EXILE is famous anti russian thing in the style "fucking Russia, fucking Russians, russian bastards".
If you check the about section at http://www.exile.ru/about/ you will notice that most names are not russian at all but manily jewish and muslim. The type typical Russians don't like so for them is ok to slander Russia.
Among other s there's a name of Eduard Limonov the most famous homosexual in Russia. And EXILE offices seems famous for their homosexual parties where Limonka gets lots of blowjobs from EXILE stuff - males of course.
I like when they put pictures of hot looking russian girls like this:
http://www.exile.ru/blog/detail.php?BLOG_ID=18792
http://www.exile.ru/blog/detail.php?BLOG_ID=19003
http://www.exile.ru/blog/detail.php?BLOG_ID=19005
http://www.exile.ru/blog/detail.php?BLOG_ID=18798
They will give an instant hard on to every normal heterosexual man but EXILE guys prefer to put stupid comments under the images.
My favorite is article about Ulyanovsk and a girl who likes being a pro:
http://exiledonline.com/a-prostitutes-guide-to-ulyanovsk-photo-essay/
Opposite to this Yasha guy I'd hit her but was little disappointed since in the article there's nothing from "prostitutes guide photo essay".
Stravinsky
11-04-09, 04:28
Kurenda,
Have to agree with you about the Exile. On the scale of journalistic excellence, it's somewhere between The Sun and the National Enquirer.
Strav I don't read The Sun and the National Enquirer so can't comment on them.
But it's obvious this Exile is full of говна.
Their printed version is banned in Russian and also their web edition is banned from servers in Russia.
kurenda, with all due respect, your post reflects a mixture of ingrained russian prejudice (against jews and muslims, among other things) and recent government propaganda. ames & co. can be blamed for many things, but gay they certainly aren't.
firstly, the exile, before the current russian government censored it using an approach reminiscent of soviet times, was not anti-russian; quite the opposite. it was cynical about putin & cronies and critical of certain aspects of russia, no doubt about it. they liked their free speech, and 1990s moscow which was truly free in many respects, more so indeed than the us or other so-called beacons of democracy. that's why ames came to love russia.
these guys thoroughly enjoyed living in moscow and had many russian friends, and everyone with a more than superficial knowledge of the exile can confirm this.
it is well known in russia that nizhny tagil is not a very wholesome place. i didn't say the poster would get killed, and didn't try to dissuade him from going there. all i told him was to be careful.
Exile.
I personally find the "Face Control, the Savage Lust of Mother Russia!" column really witty and funny.
SlutLover I said what most people in Russia think including their prejudice.
You may know or not, but todays Russia is far from the Russia of the 1990's when really everything was possible.
Ames came to love Russia but he probably never heard or did not pay attention to the old russian saying:
"Don't love Russia because Russia will never return this love".
I agree: the Russian 'nineties are long gone. Perhaps they were a unique result of historical circumstance, and perhaps there won't be a crazy and wondrous place and time like this any more in our lifetime.
It makes me sad, although most Russians are of course better off now materially than they were then, and will wholeheartedly disagree.
And one more thing, Kurenda: I love Russia - I loved it back then, and I love it now. In some ways, this love has been returned, and I'm not referring to easy sex (which is nice, of course) or business relationships.
Bez Bezarra
11-05-09, 03:36
It is well known that Nizhny Tagil is NOT a very wholesome place.
Besides milk factories and day care centers, is anywhere in Russia very wholesome?
Especially in the middle of the Urals in December? You might as well be in Chechnya.
Stravinsky
11-05-09, 04:58
"Don't love Russia because Russia will never return this love".Kurenda,
Not true. Russia will return your love: but in its own way, in its own time and on its own terms.
Bez Bezarra
11-05-09, 14:55
Russia loves me in its own way, time, and terms.
Terms= 7500 rubles
Time =2 hours
Way = RCG, COF
You're starting to sound more like Truman Capote than a Hungry Duck wh0remaster vor v zakone with stars on his chest. What happened to all your Eastern Promises.
Stravinsky
11-05-09, 16:21
Bez,
OK, you lost me now. I think you're in a whole 'nother di-mension, buddy.
Don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
Bez Bezarra
11-05-09, 18:31
Bez, you lost me now.
Don't have the foggiest what you talk about.
I always maintain several dimensions between myself and the rest of you.
Its the only sane way to approach the mongering lifestyle.
I'm sure by now you've confirmed this with your confidant Pizzy, my only ever attempt at making contact. Take me out of the provinces, and I'm a carp out of the Volga.
There's no link to connect us, and I'll be damn proud to make sure there never is.
But you're the one philosophizing contrasts to Kurenda's warning, with your sappy love twaddle. How can you be clueless, when YOU wrote it?
"Russia returns her love on her own terms"?????
Sounds much more like a porozhnyak skopets, than the zhverskiy yobar we all admire.
Next you'll confess you can't make sense of this:
Stravinsky
11-05-09, 19:13
Bez,
Man, what a prickly fucker! Chill dude... life is too short to agonize over ephemeral philosophical distinctions between mongering philosophies, и т.к.
What you need is some Kuschelsex! Mit der kuessen und der schmusen. :D It might mellow you out a little bit (maybe).
Nothing would please me more than to spend a month with you in the provinces hunting down your honey in the photo. But I can't do it, I'm saddled with too many responsibilities. I'm not really a card-carrying ideologue, like yourself. I'm just looking to have a little fun once in a while, usually in Russia.
всего доброво
Besides milk factories and day care centers, is anywhere in Russia very wholesome?
Especially in the middle of the Urals in December? You might as well be in Chechnya.
Bez! It takes a special sort of self-proclaimed genius to be first nitpicking, then equating apples and pears in two consecutive sentences!
I'm sure by now you've confirmed this with your confidant Pizzy, my only ever attempt at making contact. Take me out of the provinces, and I'm a carp out of the Volga.
BB, I think you'll admit that attempt was mostly mine. As for being Strav's confidant, I'm no more his than yours. I've met you each exactly once, and probably shared a similar number of PMs. So, not sure where you're going with that...
That said, I thought you fit in just fine here in the big city, with the exception that you don't drink much. Or maybe that's just in comparison to me and the guys I usually hang with (ie Skank, SY, and bunch of other alkies!) Yeah, it was my mistake taking you to NF and HD, but I figured you'd at least want to give a face to a name, as despicable as they both are.
As for The Exile, it was a mixed bag, for sure. But there was some pure genius in the writings of Ames and Taibbi. Wh0rer-stories? The Viagra Challenge? The infamous "It Was Us!" Prank? Sure, the bar/club reviews were as stale as three-day-old baguette and the restaurant reviews as pretentious and poseurific they come, but the guys had some fucking balls to write what they did, and no one can say shit about that.
As for The Exile, it was a mixed bag, for sure. But there was some pure genius in the writings of Ames and Taibbi. Wh0rer-stories? The Viagra Challenge? The infamous "It Was Us!" Prank? Sure, the bar/club reviews were as stale as three-day-old baguette and the restaurant reviews as pretentious and poseurific they come, but the guys had some fucking balls to write what they did, and no one can say shit about that.
Couldn't have put it better.
As for The Exile, it was a mixed bag, for sure. But there was some pure genius in the writings of Ames and Taibbi. Wh0rer-stories? The Viagra Challenge? The infamous "It Was Us!" Prank? Sure, the bar/club reviews were as stale as three-day-old baguette and the restaurant reviews as pretentious and poseurific they come, but the guys had some fucking balls to write what they did, and no one can say shit about that.
Amen to M Ames...
I think the recent posts in this thread underline and emphasize the need for us to work together. Given the danger of what we are trying to accomplish, traveling in these places in groups, instead of a single man, is crucial. This is the primary reason I am here.
Unfortunately, what is mostly posted on this forum are stories of a lone traveler meeting an adult professional in a hotel. Noone gets hurt, everything is nice and tidy, and there is no mention of pimps.
To those of you who say "pick up a nice freebie at a club": I find this suggestion rather strange here. You should know, at least on some level, that there are peculiarities and circumstances that force us americans to learn a language and travel overseas. If we were looking to "pick up a nice lonely clubber for ONS", any of us could easily do that in our home nation. Why that suggestion keeps getting posted here does not make sense to me.
I know exactly where I want to go and what I intend to do in Russia. But I'll be damned if I'm going to do this alone. To be honest, I would not feel safe even in the airports of Russia by myself.
The way this forum is set up and the way it is run is not entirely conducive to *meeting* other men who travel. The mods do not allow us to create new threads, I do not believe they let us send private messages to each other. And there is a few other bizarre rules and loopholes. And since I'm on this rant, I might as well include this tidbit. There is actually another forum out there devoted to this same subject. They have a rule where you cannot post in any language other than English! That rule is not only ridiculous, but it's paradoxical given what the forum is about.
To be honest, I would not feel safe even in the airports of Russia by myself.
Remarkable stuff.
Have you ever been to Russia ???
Bez Bezarra
11-11-09, 15:02
Given the danger, traveling in groups is crucial.
I find circumstances that force americans to travel overseas.
It makes no sense that we can easily pick up a nice girl in a club for one night at home.
I know exactly where I want to go and what I intend to do in Russia.
I won't feel safe even in the airports of Russia by myself.
ISG won't let us send pm's to each other.
Like Gogoots already said, your fears confirm that you've yet to venture out on your own yet.
Are you about 20 years old?
Not that there's anything wrong with that, you just need to grow a pair, unless as I suspect, you're actually a female undercover FBI/FSB/Interpol internet monitor oficer. :p
Yes, you gave yourself away with your, "traveling in groups" warning, that's an obvious LE strategy, given your cowardly nature to act with any independent initiative.
For example, what are these mysterious "circumstances that force americans overseas"? Did you forget, Americans are free to do anything they want and go anywhere they want. Such as being free to get as far as possibly away from FWC dykes like you and enjoy investing billions of bailout taxpayer funds on organized criminal activities in Venezuela, Myanmar, and Kurdistan. :(
Naturally, picking up a freebie at a club is strange to you, because that is perfectly legal, so there's nothing you can do about it.
So exactly where do you want to go, and what do you intend to do?
You want to go arrest somebody while their pants are down around their ankles? :o
ALL of Russia is safe, especially the airports, if you keep your wits about you. Increasing your safety isn't a bad idea, like getting your own driver from someone there you trust. You probably never considered those kind of options. Or you're deliberately trying to scare away any new visitors.
Your last complaint gave really you away, you're required to pay for your membership to send PM's.
It's cool, there's no cheap trips to the Motherland either. ;)
Stravinsky
11-11-09, 17:25
Noone gets hurt, everything is nice and tidy, and there is no mention of pimps.No one talks about pimps because there aren't any in Russia. Pimps only exist in countries where prostitution is illegal.
If we were looking to "pick up a nice lonely clubber for ONS", any of us could easily do that in our home nation.IF that's true, then why not stay home?
To be honest, I would not feel safe even in the airports of Russia by myself.What a strange idea. Thousands of people travel through airports in Russia every day without problem. Traveling on a Russian airplane, however, is another matter! :)
The way this forum is set up and the way it is run is not entirely conducive to *meeting* other men who travel.Interesting... are you looking to meet women for sex, or men?
There is actually another forum out there devoted to this same subject. They have a rule where you cannot post in any language other than English! That rule is not only ridiculous, but it's paradoxical given what the forum is about.I have to agree with Jackson's rule about posting in English. This place would be a virtual tower of Babel if everyone could post in whatever language they chose. It would be useless to anyone.
I'm glad to have this opportunity to talk with all of you. I trust that you are wise about the region. I'm not a 20 year old and I have nothing to do with LEA. In fact, quite the opposite. it is the arcane laws of the USA that are pushing me overseas. Some of you may know what "web models" are. I think this kind of photography should be legal. It is not my intention to get into that "argument" in this thread. In order for me to make this position more solid, it is not sufficient that I simply type it onto forums and then have an "academic" debate with anonymous people. I need to have first-hand experience with it. This means that I would need to meet some of the models or their photographers, or both. Any such meeting would be done in public, in the afternoon with security or police all within eyeshot. The people in question could sit behind a table 8 feet away from me if they want. That does not matter. What I need is some sort of material or photograph demonstrating that I have met them. That is what I need at a minimum. Ideally an interview recorded would be great.
I have been all over the internet. I am coming to you guys as a last resort. I cannot do this alone. A single male is easily rejected on grounds that he is not safe or some creepy stalker or etc etc. A group of men is more difficult to turn down. ("There is a whole group of people here to see you. Can you make time?". that kind of thing) When I have had luck in convincing people that I am completely serious about this, the response I inevitably get is: "This is extremely dangerous". Every person in my family has told me that if I try to do this, men around the business will kidnap me and hold me for ransom. Or variations on these threats; that they will kill me and burn the body. Then I come here and read stories about organized crime burying a graveyard of teen girls. Without any other knowledge, one would surmise there is some truth about the danger of this. in spite your claim that Russia is "totally safe everywhere".
To summarize. I need *more guys* for this project. The more the better. I am not looking to meet men for sex. I need men who are willing to travel. I have completely exhausted the places on the internet which contain men who are already very interested in web models. They all repeat a litany of excuses about how dangerous it would be to do this and how they have no interest in leaving their little towns. I have been working on this for over 2 years now. I was talking to one of the girl's webmasters for over a year. He disappeared suddenly under strange circumstances. All his friends say he is not even answering his phone. I can't tell any longer who is being honest or who is making things up. If I could just get enough damned people in a room to cooperate we could pull this off. As you know this is not something I could simply advertise in the newspaper. And you can't just walk into a bowling alley and ask people if they are interested in traveling to russia. You guys are my last hope. I need help. I would be glad to hear any of your thoughts on this. Any of your wisdom would be helpful to me.
Thanks
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No one talks about pimps because there aren't any in Russia. Pimps only exist in countries where prostitution is illegal.
For all I know (unless my information is outdated!) prostitution is illegal in Russia and carries a four-digit rouble fine, which is why dodging the police is important at Moscow tochki. However, unlike the recruitment of new prostitutes and the organisation of prostitution (Articles 240 and 241 of the Russian Penal Code: http://www.consultant.ru/popular/ukrf/), it is not a criminal offence.
Nevertheless, pimps ( сутенёры ) do, in fact, exist. But of course a lot of prostitution is pimp-free, e.g. through sites like Mamba or by pros/semi-pros in clubs.
To those of you who say "pick up a nice freebie at a club": I find this suggestion rather strange here. You should know, at least on some level, that there are peculiarities and circumstances that force us americans to learn a language and travel overseas. If we were looking to "pick up a nice lonely clubber for ONS", any of us could easily do that in our home nation. Why that suggestion keeps getting posted here does not make sense to me.
Unless you are so drop-dead gorgeous and charming that you can go to a New York club and leave with a Paris Hilton lookalike any night of the year, you will probably find that the freebies you can pick up in Russia are several notches out of your league back home.
In any case, you are totally missing the point of this forum. This forum is *mostly* about travelling (or moving) to another country to meet more, or sexier, women to fuck, although of course a minority of users will already live in a foreign country before joining ISG.
If that strikes you as shockingly amoral and politically incorrect, and if even the thought of a Russian airport makes you tremble with fear, then frankly and without wishing to cause offence, you should grow a pair of balls at home before contemplating a trip to Russia.
Stravinsky
11-12-09, 08:27
This means that I would need to meet some of the models or their photographers, or both. Any such meeting would be done in public, in the afternoon with security or police all within eyeshot. The people in question could sit behind a table 8 feet away from me if they want.
Every person in my family has told me that if I try to do this, men around the business will kidnap me and hold me for ransom. Or variations on these threats; that they will kill me and burn the body. Then I come here and read stories about organized crime burying a graveyard of teen girls.
I was talking to one of the girl's webmasters for over a year. He disappeared suddenly under strange circumstances. All his friends say he is not even answering his phone.
OK, I get it. This is some kind of a joke, right? Where's the hidden camera?
Jackson, you need to tweak whatever code is flagging RoD candidates. It's picking up some weird shit.
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Some of you may know what "web models" are. I think this kind of photography should be legal. It is not my intention to get into that "argument" in this thread.
I need to have first-hand experience with it. This means that I would need to meet some of the models or their photographers, or both. Any such meeting would be done in public, in the afternoon with security or police all within eyeshot. The people in question could sit behind a table 8 feet away from me if they want.
What I need is some sort of material or photograph demonstrating that I have met them. That is what I need at a minimum. Ideally an interview recorded would be great.
Every person in my family has told me that if I try to do this, men around the business will kidnap me and hold me for ransom. Or variations on these threats; that they will kill me and burn the body. Then I come here and read stories about organized crime burying a graveyard of teen girls.
Thanks
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.First I was astonished, then I could laugh with it, and now it's irritating me. Completely nuts.
Have you ever left the states?
Bez Bezarra
11-12-09, 14:55
WHY IS IT that YOUR three sentence post is automatically suggested by the Editor for a Report of Distinction?
As for Glazed-Eye, the ONLY thing we know now is that he's not 20 or a cop, and that he needs to meet web models and their photographers, because he cannot do "this" alone, and he is completely serious about "this", and he's been working on "this" for 2 years, and he needs men willing to travel, because he needs more guys for "this project", since his family is sure he'll get kidnapped if he does "this", because he doesn't have first hand experience with "it".
If the "this", that he repeats over and over and over and over, without EVER explaining what "this" IS, is nothing more than simply creating and selling russian porn on the internet, or setting up web-cam girls, maybe our fearful indirect beating around the bush friend FIRST AND FOREMOST needs to EXPLAIN already, WHY he wants to do "this"??????
Or even better, WHAT in God's name makes you think that you CAN???
Because the fact of the matter is, if you want to produce and sell internet porn, you need to DO IT in your OWN country. If you think you can start out in that business by just waltzing into another country and setting up shop, YOU CAN'T.
Unless you're already Porn King Rocco Siffreddi. If that's the case, just show up in St. Pitrsberg with a wad of cash, and go to the Porno Agencies, and order your models and cameras, pay for them, and start filming.
Or at least, if you've made up your puny mind and somehow convinced yourself that you CAN do "this", that is, start your own Evil Empire of Porn, and of course you are COMPLETELY UNABLE to explain HOW you think you can, why not at least try it somewhere else first, in let's say, I don't know, WEST Europe, or even Czech Republic or Poland, or Slovakia, or the Baltics, at least there you might have a shot.
But Russia, FIRST??? You might as well try Bhutan or Myanmar or the Vatican!
Stravinsky
11-12-09, 16:47
WHY IS IT that YOUR three sentence post is automatically suggested by the Editor for a Report of Distinction?It's not. I copied that from Glazami. Reports are recommended for RoD by the system, not a human, which is how Glazami's bizarre report ended up with an Editor's recommendation.
Bez Bezarra
11-13-09, 02:31
It's not.
Check Post #850.
Sorry, its 5 sentences.
Any such meeting would be done in public, in the afternoon with security or police all within eyeshot. The people in question could sit behind a table 8 feet away from me if they want. That does not matter.
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May I respectfully suggest that if the default mode that appears to automatically refer any post of a sufficient length, irrespective of content, for the aforementioned ROD status continues, then Jackson or his representative may very well find themselves at some future date behind that particular 8 foot desk.
Time to get a little serious ???
May I respectfully suggest that if the default mode that appears to automatically refer any post of a sufficient length, irrespective of content, for the aforementioned ROD status continues, then Jackson or his representative may very well find themselves at some future date behind that particular 8 foot desk.
Time to get a little serious ???
Goes to prove that there is still no such thing as artificial intelligence. Which is quite sad from Glazami's point of view, because there's no way out for him.
Okay so some background is needed here. The basic template for a 'web model' goes as follows: a young girl sets up a website that delivers her photos posing in lingerie or bikinis and etc. If she advertises herself well, her photographers are decent, and the other factors all line up, she can pull in over 80 thousand USD per year from website subscriptions. By the time she is ready for college, she drives to campus in a shiny new BMW fully bought with her own money.
Despite the facts that this is far safer than even dancing in a non-nude club 12 feet away from men, and that there is certainly no force involved whatsoever, web modeling still does not go over well in places such as the United States. The example I will cite here is Sierra from Texas, whose family was split asunder and I assume she lives in a foster home now. Sierra was not that pretty (homely). Even then the number cited by the police is "at least 80K per year". One of the Texan police who busted the operation was quoted as saying "They were basically pimping their daughter out over the internet. " Now, on some level of this man's mind, he must have known he was using a flowery metaphor. Unfortunately, being an American, with their amazing capacity for naivete, he probably wasn't conscious that he was being metaphorical.
Of course noone was being "pimped" at all. That language made it sound like they were bringing men in through the back door of the house at all hours. Nothing like that happens at all, ever. However, this is exactly how the american media spins the story in order to manufacture consent for what the police and courts are doing. The operations are not specifically illegal (as far as I know? Perchance something was snuck through congress?) Children's services acts on hints and then courts split the family into pieces citing things such as "lifestyle of the parents". In any case, the laws from 30 years ago do not fit the world with internet in it, but we would like to think that they do, so we stretch the law, lie to ourselves, and pull legal strings to end something that our christian-conservative worldview perceives as being "not so right".
So now Sierra will not be driving to college in a BMW. And I assume she must be in church service now with her fundamentalist foster parents. (Maybe she will never see college, being home-schooled in the Bible- I digress). But what have we gained? A warm, fuzzy feeling in our hearts that we saved the poor sensitive girls from. From what? Saved them from *what* exactly?
So yes, I think the stuff should be legal. In many places it is. Some models operate in sync with a dedicated fanbase. In some cases they meet on forums. Sure, there are some pervs included in small percentage. But by and large, the fanbase has what I would describe as *PARENTAL CONCERN* for the model's welfare. A person who knows the truth of this wrote the same thing in an article on wikipedia. I haven't looked lately to see if his words of truth have been taken down, although they probably have been.
Bez Bezarra
11-20-09, 00:51
Okay so a young girl posing in lingerie lines up website subscriptions.
Hey Goze-Wammy!!
There was just SOMETHING that smelled WAY too fishy in your first post.
So it must be nothing less than the biggest coincidence of all time, that you just happened to leave out one little minor insignificant detail, that your entire business proposition is based on selling photos of pre-puberty girls in their underwear.
NO WONDER you're scared shitless to get searched in a Russian airport when the cops find thousands of THOSE photos in your laptop.
While it may not be illegal,
THAT SHIT DEFINITELY DON'T FLY ON ISG.
Please don't get offended,
BUT YOU ARE FUCKING BANNED!
Stravinsky
11-20-09, 10:35
glazami,
you are a sick fuck.
i believe jackson has a strict policy about discussing **** sex, and for good reason.
Bez Bezarra
11-21-09, 16:55
not to beat a dead horse, but this goes well beyond discussing.
though this is not about sex per se, it is about recruiting members by appealing to their lowest base levels of greed, to conspire in widespread exploitation of families in economic desperation, in the name of free enterprise capitalistic entrepreneurship, around a gray area of the law.
for several years, there have been many dozens of these websites, with thousands of subscribers, generating sizable profits for the publishers. nothing new here, agree or disagree, its part of the internet, like it or not.
but posting for the purpose to recruit isg members into the business of **** lingerie modeling websites, should be banned.
at least, put it to a vote:
all those for?
all those against?
though this is not about sex per se, it is about recruiting members by appealing to their lowest base levels of greed, to conspire in widespread exploitation of families in economic desperation, in the name of free enterprise capitalistic entrepreneurship, around a gray area of the law.
i agree that this kind of post shouldn't be on isg. neither do i see the attraction of **** bikini modelling. perhaps wholesale moral outrage along the lines of "exploitation" might be evidence of a double standard - not sure if, say, p4p group sex with an 18-year old, which i guess is fine to write about in this forum, is inherently that much more moral than bikini modelling with a 15-year old.
it was always going to be artificial to suggest that, for example, sex (or for that matter, bikini modelling) with a girl at legal age minus one day is, on first principles, immoral while one day later the same thing is totally fine. especially as the legal age for both sex and bikini modelling might be the same, which means that bikini modelling was wrong yesterday and a gangbang is ok tomorrow.
however, at the end of the day, without getting too emotional about it, the line has to be drawn somewhere. i suspect glazami has crossed it, and should be prevented from writing further posts about the matter. this forum should stay well clear of the sexual objectification of **** girls both for practical and ethical reasons.
i believe jackson has a strict policy about discussing **** sex, and for good reason.
strav (& bb & sl),
if you look further down you'll see that the editor (jackson?) actually recommended glazami's initial post on the subject for rod status.
and it's ourselves here that are policing this one in the absence of any intervention.
some clarification from 'above' would be helpful.
what's going on ???
Bez Bezarra
11-22-09, 06:25
jackson recommended sleaze-grimy's initial post for rod.
what's going on ???
non-senior member posts, that exceed a certain number of words, automatically generate an rod rec.
they aren't even read by agent j.
if you write, "go fuck yourself" enough times, its gets rod'd.
groggy, this isn't a simple case of some butt-head whining about 'what's wrong with doing an 18 year old a week before her birthday".
this is a recruiter for the let's all go find cash-starved russian parents and take and sell their child's underwear photos biz.
you want this guy here looking for partners to sell your kid's at the beach photos on the web?
isg's purpose isn't to judge child modeling websites, but isg ain't the forum for a discussion on it. i think maybe once there was a thread years ago about ****, but then it got locked, and its long gone.
legal though modeling may be, there's other forums for that.
but this subject is the only reason glasseyemooly posted here, so he's gotta go!
i propose/suggest this is easily extreme enough, that it could be/should be swiftly handled here and now and quickly disposed of. i mean, do we really need to wait for grandpa jack to hold our little hands? are we that short on balls that we can't act accordingly, in the presence of evil?
all those for banishing?
those against?
i agree that this kind of post shouldn't be on isg. neither do i see the attraction of **** bikini modelling. perhaps wholesale moral outrage along the lines of "exploitation" might be evidence of a double standard - not sure if, say, p4p group sex with an 18-year old, which i guess is fine to write about in this forum, is inherently that much more moral than bikini modelling with a 15-year old.
it was always going to be artificial to suggest that, for example, sex (or for that matter, bikini modelling) with a girl at legal age minus one day is, on first principles, immoral while one day later the same thing is totally fine. especially as the legal age for both sex and bikini modelling might be the same, which means that bikini modelling was wrong yesterday and a gangbang is ok tomorrow.
however, at the end of the day, without getting too emotional about it, the line has to be drawn somewhere. i suspect glazami has crossed it, and should be prevented from writing further posts about the matter. this forum should stay well clear of the sexual objectification of **** girls both for practical and ethical reasons.
eloquently written, slutlover. indeed, life isn't black and white, and though i'm not by nature a judgmental person (he who casts the first stone and so forth) i do take issue with attempts to conscribe fellow forum members for activities which are off-topic at best, and illegal at worst.
bez - after the numerous tongue lashings you and others have administered, do you really think glazami will return for more punishment? though i don't have a lot of experience with these types, i suspect he'll just silently move on to the next potential avenue in hopes of eventually bringing his dodgy agenda to fruition.
Correct diagnosis, I think. Glazami's post count has remained rather static at the proud number of 4.
Well, given his age preference it's rather fortunate he's called Glazami and not Rukami or Khuyem.
Bez - after the numerous tongue lashings you and others have administered, do you really think Glazami will return for more punishment? Though I don't have a lot of experience with these types, I suspect he'll just silently move on to the next potential avenue in hopes of eventually bringing his dodgy agenda to fruition.
Well, given his age preference it's rather fortunate he's called Glazami and not Rukami or Khuyem.
Amen, brother! Though it does make me second-guess my own choice for a nickname. Maybe I should change it to Yazykom. :)
Gentlemen,
I have been to Kaliningrad from Nov 28 to Dec 2.
Non-pros are plentiful and willing, albeit on the whole slightly more conservative.
In terms of clubs, I've gone slightly off the beaten path. On weekday nights, Atlantika and Atlas seemed remarkably solid options, although you will need to speak Russian - they're not exactly upper-class expat joints.
Lots of fun can be had. Comparison:
Ready for one-nighter/foreigner bonus
Kaliningrad - 2/5
Moscow - 5/3
Kiev - 3/4
In short, if you want a hot girl and have time, go to KGD/Kiev.
If you don't care about freebies and want cheap *****s, go to KGD/Kiev.
If you want one-night stands and don't care about her beauty, go to Moscow - loads of ugly sluts that are very easy.
If you have game and are confident, go to Moscow - you will score more quickly.
If you are a billionaire, go to Moscow - it attracts the most beautiful girls.
I'm back in Moscow from the 24th. Beer, anyone? ;)
Comparison:
Ready for one-nighter/foreigner bonus
Kaliningrad - 2/5
Moscow - 5/3
Kiev - 3/4
In short, if you want a hot girl and have time, go to KGD/Kiev.
If you don't care about freebies and want cheap *****s, go to KGD/Kiev.
If you want one-night stands and don't care about her beauty, go to Moscow - loads of ugly sluts that are very easy.
If you have game and are confident, go to Moscow - you will score more quickly.
If you are a billionaire, go to Moscow - it attracts the most beautiful girls.
Hey SL, I don't have nearly as much provincial experience as someone like Bez, but in general I'd agree with your assessment. The beauty of Moscow is its anonymity. You can go to the same club two nights in a row and often not run into the same people at all. Try that in some backwater provincial Russian town with only one or two popular nightclubs. And yes, girls here in Moscow are more desperate than ever...
Gentlemen,
I have been to Kaliningrad from Nov 28 to Dec 2.
Non-pros are plentiful and willing, albeit on the whole slightly more conservative.
In terms of clubs, I've gone slightly off the beaten path. On weekday nights, Atlantika and Atlas seemed remarkably solid options, although you will need to speak Russian. They're not exactly upper-class expat joints.
Lots of fun can be had. Comparison:
Ready for one-nighter/foreigner bonus
Kaliningrad. 2/5
Moscow. 5/3
Kiev. 3/4
In short, if you want a hot girl and have time, go to KGD/Kiev.
If you don't care about freebies and want cheap *****s, go to KGD/Kiev.
If you want one-night stands and don't care about her beauty, go to Moscow. Loads of ugly sluts that are very easy.
If you have game and are confident, go to Moscow. You will score more quickly.
If you are a billionaire, go to Moscow. It attracts the most beautiful girls.
I'm back in Moscow from the 24th. Beer, anyone?.Season's Greetings To you and all ISG members.
Kaliningrad, has been on my radar for a while, and have been thinking
Of various routes to do it.
The most reasonable way to do it, for me from london, would be to catch a budget airline like Ryanair, and fly to Gdansk in poland, then it is a few hours on the bus to kgd.
But the thing is, they no longer issue Russian visas on the border to kgd, for
UK and US citizens.
This means, that accommodation in kgd has to be prebooked prior to applying for a Russian visa at their embassy in London, which is a hassle.
My question, is there another alternative to this, as I like sometimes to travel on a very short notice, to take advantage of hugely discounted airfares, which are on sale for a few days only?
How did you find the associated costs with mongering in kgd, like taxis clubs, drinks, hotels, compared to Moscow or Kiev?
These expenses have to be taken into account, when one is considering the mongering scene, in addition to the costs of P4P
KGD and Tiraspol are on my list of things to see and monger in 2010.
Many thanks for any input.
Bez Bezarra
12-26-09, 01:50
BBC news reported yesterday that Medvedev is planning to deploy upgraded nukes in Kgrad as part of his strategic plan to deter American aggression. Not that they're not already there, at least in the subs. This in response to Bush's missile shield plan in Poland against Iran, regardless that Obama has shelved it.
Unless you're 007, better get your tourist mongering done there soon.
BBC news reported yesterday that Medvedev is planning to deploy upgraded nukes in Kgrad as part of his strategic plan to deter American aggression. Not that they're not already there, at least in the subs. This in response to Bush's missile shield plan in Poland against Iran, regardless that Obama has shelved it.
Unless you're 007, better get your tourist mongering done there soon.Bez, I read that KGD, was a closed military zone during the times of the Soviet Union.
I am not 007. I am 0069, hence no photos from me, because I only carry condoms.
But, some photos of 2 girls, that I banged here in london, in one of the upmarket areas in london, and in a beautiful apartment.
Sally, and Lia on www.Houseofdivine.com
London location.
Both are beautiful, and the bonus with Lea, she just loves it up her ass.
BBC news reported yesterday that Medvedev is planning to deploy upgraded nukes in Kgrad as part of his strategic plan to deter American aggression. Not that they're not already there, at least in the subs. This in response to Bush's missile shield plan in Poland against Iran, regardless that Obama has shelved it.
Unless you're 007, better get your tourist mongering done there soon.Bez, I read that KGD, was a closed military zone during the times of the Soviet Union.
I am not 007. I am 0069, hence no photos from me, because I only carry condoms.
But, some photos of 2 girls, that I banged here in london, in one of the upmarket areas in london, and in a beautiful apartment.
Sally, and Lia on www.Houseofdivine.com
London location.
Both are beautiful, and the bonus with Lea, she just loves it up her ass.
Bez, you better get your ass over to london soon.
Happy New Year.
KGD is definitely cheaper than Kiev, and Kiev is much cheaper than Moscow. You can rent a flat in KGD for as little as 1000 roubles per night. More basic drinks (beer, vodka & orange) were sometimes 100 roubles or less in the less posh clubs I have been to. Taxis are also a mere 100 roubles across the centre of town.
How did you find the associated costs with mongering in kgd, like taxis clubs, drinks, hotels, compared to Moscow or Kiev?
KGD is definitely cheaper than Kiev, and Kiev is much cheaper than Moscow. You can rent a flat in KGD for as little as 1000 roubles per night. More basic drinks (beer, vodka & orange) were sometimes 100 roubles or less in the less posh clubs I have been to. Taxis are also a mere 100 roubles across the centre of town.Thank you for your reply.
KGD for me next, nukes or no nukes.
Happy New Year.
but posting for the purpose to recruit isg members into the business of **** lingerie modeling websites, should be banned. could you try to verbalize, precisely and objectively, what it is you find so horrible about this safe, harmless fun?
Bez Bezarra
01-03-10, 15:50
could you try to verbalize, precisely and objectively, what it is you find so horrible about this safe, harmless fun?
welcome back my colleague of questionable pedigree.
disclaimer: i'm not sure that i've ever verbalized anything precisely and objectively, due to my oddball nature and tendencies to expound extraneous loads of crapola and effluential pontificatory ramblerizings.
but i will offer my semi-best reply to your query.
horrible? well, that's merely in the eye of the beholder. photos of the human female form, whether they be 8 or 80, are not inherently distasteful. this has nothing to do with what my opinions are relative to amateur modeling, and your interests in finding russian parents open to agreeing to try it with their family members. to be perfectly factual, this particular type of activity is something that has already been in practice for several years, takes place today, and will likely continue in the future, so long as parents want and/or need money. whether its sleepwear for advertising department store clothing or swimsuits for surfing magazines or mini-skirts high society fashion couture, **** modeling is no new phenomenon.
as i, and some others on isg preach here relentlessly, to each his own, is a monger credo to live by to prevent life from becoming intolerably monotonous and also to keep us from constantly over-running each other in our pursuit of hobby.
however, the board must maintain a certain decorum of acceptable legitimacy for its operator to avoid legal harassment in order to operate without undue entanglements with authorities quick to impose judgement, in a world where certain lines must be drawn between what is and what is not consenting behavior between adults, and behavior that would involve an individual that has yet to reach that legally recognized status.
in simple terms, discussion of individuals that have lived 6,569 days or less on earth are prohibited in this forum. once they get to the 6,570th day, you can fuck them into the stratosphere, discuss how many of their holes you fouled with your unwashed throbber, and photograph the looks of regret and painful shame until your data cards are filled to capacity, and bring them all here for a grand showing. no one will deny you that right.
but you can't recruit here, for partners, or even for advice, for business ventures involving children. no matter how safe and fun they may be. forget that they may be not the least bit horrible, even if they are 100% wonderful, don't come here for that. you simply can't do it here. because this is a sex forum for adults, not a modeling forum, and it is therefore strictly limited to a discussion of adults, by adults, and about adults.
for all we know, its as likely that you work for interpol, the fsb, or some sex crime division of some le agency in europe, usa, outer mongolia, or all of the above, and you're just bottom-phishing for anything you can drag your hooks into, to snare some lurker you hope you could find here and make your job easier, as it is that you just suddenly appeared on the horizon 3 months ago looking for new partners in this weird business you claim to know all about.
so for the last time, take it elsewhere. your kind, whichever it may be, is not welcome here. why don't you try the chat rooms where you busted those other kiddie porn rings, or have you lied so many times to entrap people that no one will believe you anymore. now that's some horrible shit.
sounds like just the place where you belong. what is it they say, when you sink down to the lowest level and ingratiate yourself with the locals through continuous pure dishonesty and ill-willed misrepresentations, and remain there, you become the very thing you started out to clean up. you've lost your soul, so enjoy hell, at least its warm down there.
I agree that this kind of post shouldn't be on ISG.
However, at the end of the day, without getting too emotional about it, the line has to be drawn somewhere. ....
Indeed the line is drawn everywhere in the world at 00.00am of the day when the individual gets into Legal Age.
As you say, one might argue that LA -1 minute is not much different than LA +1 minute. But that is where the line is drawn and all the people has to stick to it.
We also know there is people gambling with the Age of Consent pretending it is a sort of Sex Legal Age. But we also know what Age of Consent is, and nobody can play with that too.
We have here someone (not you, SL) that is trying to legitimate what is not legitimate all, nearly anywhere in the world!
I am honestly surprised Jackson has let his words go so far till now! (I have reached the reading till the above quotede post, so far.
Stravinsky
01-03-10, 17:41
Bez,
молодец! Well said. I do believe that was the most coherent statement you've every made.
Best not to feed the Troll any more, though, particularly after midnight. He will turn into a sick fuck, and start jerking off to pictures of pubescent panties revealed under Baby Doll outfits.
It's not a pretty sight.
I think what everyone has posted is pretty reasonable. Modeling is still largely safe and harmless. But because this website attracting attention from nannies, we have to exclude certain material in our posts. That's fine. I think its hasty to associate it with poverty, as we have had girls from France, Florida, and a few from the midwest. Noone is exploiting the models or depriving them of their autonomy (which is really what the nannies should be concerned about. They are not. What they want is a "big bust" so they can beat their chests.) I know that you guys communicate in terms of business propositions, so that's how you normally situate yourselves from each other. But I really was not asking for business partners. Someone else said that and it got rolled into my posts somehow. Alright. Midnight approaches so I have some pictures to attend to.
Bez Bezarra
01-08-10, 01:13
I know that you guys communicate in terms of propositions.
I was not asking for business partners.
Someone else said that.
NOT asking for partners?
Shall I quote you?
Nobody ELSE said this, YOU did:
"I am coming to you guys as I cannot do this alone."
"I emphasize the need for us TO WORK TOGETHER."
"A GROUP OF MEN is difficult to turn down."
I guess you were hoping we would all sign up as volunteers to assist you, out of the goodness of our hearts, so we could watch you keep the membership payments all for yourself?
Granted I've been on your case from the start, but if you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and shit like a duck, you're a dirty fucking duck fucker!!
Say, is there a ban here on bestiality?
But because this website attracting attention from nannies, we have to exclude certain material in our posts.
I'm not a nanny. Believe it or not. And I profoundly dislike your posts.
Evening all.
Heres my report on Vladivostok, excuse my lateness with it.
I’ve now been there several times.
N.B. N.B. N. B. Some quite personal points I’ve blanked for reasons of discretion for others, so just PM me and I’ll send you full copy.
Vladivostok is a stunning city, It has a true Russian heart, only years after the fall of communism was it finally opened to the public. I treat the city and people with respect. It is nothing like Moscow. Moscow is literally a world apart from Vladivostok. They don’t like Moscow. Vladivostok business pays a lot of tax to Moscow and very little of it ever comes back this way. If I was Russian and lived in Moscow I’d catch the Trans Siberian and go live in Vladivostok. It’s a lot more sophisticated and natural than dirty old Moscow. The people seem a happier beside the Pacific Ocean in Vladivostok.
To start with here are a few sites of interest.
Read the lonely planet guide to Russian chapter Vladivostok.
http://vladivostoktimes.com/travel/?s=100
http://vladivostoktimes.com
http://primorochki.ru/
http://vladsex.net/
http://www.maxi-m.com/model_agency/portfolio/girls/
http://www.frontier.co.jp/Buromskih%20Irina1.htm I think a lot of you may recognise Irina from somewhere else?!? Her Art photo name is Anya. http://www.mplstudios.com/anya.htm
She is from Vladivostok.
The ‘maxi’ and ‘frontier’ websites are are odd, I never took part with them myself, but you can actually arrange to meet these women for dates?! this being aimed at the expensive Japanese Market. And therein lye’s the difference between Vladivostok and the rest of Russian. It is on the Pacific Ocean close to Japan, Korea and of course China. Those influences abound in tourism and also business. Many of the kids learn languages like Japanese and Korean. thats good sense. Vladivostok is not really like provincial Russia, it is on the Pacific Ocean, it has bustling business with Japan, Korea and China.
There are many hotels there. Google search them but I’ve always stayed at Hotel Vladivostok. It is classed 3 star but it was great. Large double room, fridge, TV, tiled shower and bathroom, desk etc but what really makes it 10 star is the stunning beautiful sea views. It is on a cliff top above a beach below. The foyer is modern, little shops and cafe. Breakfast is included in the room price. It is buffet in a grand restaurant that looks out over the Ocean. The city and Harbour and beaches and parks and buildings are beautiful. The hotel is easy walking distance to city and beach and bars and cafes. Just a short walk along the seafront. Yep! if I could I’ld live there forever.
It is actually 2 hotels, Hotel Vladivostok above the cliff and the other over the road embedded into the cliff Hotel Amursky Zaiv right on the beach. They are run by the same management.
PM me and I will send you full copy of below
So with all that on offer, they are going to get you and even if you make it past all that, they will ring you in your room. Just like Hotel California you can never leave and there is no escape. And even if you don’t answer the phone they will break down the door and put a girl in your bed and make you a cup of tea. Just joshing on that last bit.
I went in late Summer, early September sunny hot days and open windowed sea breeze nights.
http://www.azimuthotels.ru/en/hotels/vladivostok/about_hotel/
Is the Hotel website. They have a chain of hotels. Book a comfort double room on the ninth floor. 2700 roubles, compare that with Moscow. Do not the book the Hotel Amursky Zaiv option, that is the hotel over the road which is a good hotel but i have only limited knowledge of it. Several years back it was a dump but on my most recent visit I discovered Hotel Amursky Zaiv has had a stunning renovation. Its slightly cheaper if that fits. It is also run by Hotel Vladivostok. In actuality to complicate things further they are buildling a new Hotel Vladivostok behind the present one. It is going to tower above and have views both sides of the Harbour. It will be 5 star. It is suppose to be finished ahead of APEC. Because there building the new 5 star Hotel Vladivostok they don’rtreally renovate the old Hotel Vladivostok anymore, so don’t trip up on any worn carpet in some hallways.
Use http://unifest.ru/en/about.html to book airfare from Moscow to Vlad, they are good and well priced. You can book online then pick your tickets up in Moscow at their office or they can send them to you. They seem to have the best rates online and are reputable. If your going the other way, fly thru Seoul if you can get a fair airfare but Korean Air charges extortionate rates for the 1.5 hr flight from Seoul to Vladivostok. First time I went I went by ship from Korea, that was a real adventure. Do a search on my previous reports on that. I have lately been looking at flights through China. Whatever do protest at a Korean Air office over the rates they charge for such a short flight. There is some online protest over that. Its not the money, its just I don’t like being ripped off.
I also met girls through Mamba there and meet women through various cafes and bars. One girl I meet thru Mamba was great. She’s 19 and a sweet girl. I arranged to meet her at Studio Cafe and she rang me 20 minutes late and said she'ld be 30 minutes, then she rang 30 minutes later and said she'ld be another 30 minutes, then she turned up in a taxi 40 minutes after that. She's a sweet girl, some may call her a spinner, or a little loose but to me she was an angel, some of these girls come from tough backgrounds so have understanding for them. PM me and I will send you full copy of below
Regards Hotel Security it appears low key, but be sure, it is very much there. At the fall of communism there were shootings all over Vladivostok as territory wars were fought. That’s all moved on now and the city has become civilised. One day I was sitting in the large Hotel foyer and these 3 Moscow mafia types started having an argument, something about lost money. As the argument became loud and heated this grey haired 60 year old man appeared from no-where in full camouflage gear. You may think, so what? But he was over 6 ft 6 inches and built like a giant bear and he carried this big revolver pointed sharply downwards with a straight arm. He didn’t even look at the 3 men as he shouted orders at them, he was prowling and surveying the room as if this disturbance was a decoy or something. He made them put their hands on their heads and kneel. The girls at reception were giggling, these 3 Moscow men had been rude before. Now was pay back time, Vladivostok style. They were shocked and shitting themselves. He ordered them to take their argument outside and then he vanished. A little while later 3 men sheepishly came back in and went straight to their rooms. ))
So, as I say, security is there.
Theres much I could write on, I did several of my walkabouts. One evening I walked down Pogranichnaya Ul just 5 minutes from Hotel Vladivostok. As I walked along in the distance I saw 1st floor bright purple lighted full length windows with fluttering curtains. As I got closer I discovered the fluttering curtains were in fact lingerie ladies dancing with long veils. I guess you could say this was an establishment of interest of which I paid a visit. The girls danced on the stage and bar in turns. I drank Coronas. Great place with modern decoy. I didn’t work out how the place operated and what was on offer, and by the time I was slightly tidily I decided to head for Hotel Vladivostok. Again I need to go back to Vladivostok again soon and explore further.
p.s. This is where Yul Brynner was borm and grew up.
Nick C,
Hotels
Hotel Moryak, 38 Posyetskaya St, ☎ (4232) 49-94-99. Cheap, serviceable accommodations a short walk uphill from the city center. English isn't spoken, but the staff are accustomed to foreign visitors. Look for the odd aquatic sign outside. Rooms from $35.
Hotel Hyundai, 29 Semenovskaya St, ☎ (4232) 40-22-33 (fax: (4232) 40-70-08), The height of luxury in Vladivostok, with full business facilities, swimming pool and fitness center, bar, casino, and restaurant on-site. Rooms have satellite TV and air conditioning. Online booking is available. Rooms from 6000R.
Hotel Vladivostok, 10 Naberezhnaya St, ☎ (4232) 41-28-08 (fax: (4232) 41-20-21), Budget and somewhat more upscale rooms, with Wi-Fi and a buffet breakfast; there's a restaurant on-site. Online booking available (with limited Russian). About a ten minute walk from the train station. It's quite an ugly building from the outside, but it faces a nice view to the sea. Bookings may also be available at the Hotel Amursky Zaiv, operated by the same management, across the street. Rooms from 2200R.
Vlad Inn, #35, 8-th Street Sanatornaya, ☎ (4232) 38-88-88 (fax: 1 (508) 590-2432), Reservations can be made online. They offer a free pickup service from the airport. It's a Western-managed hotel with English-speaking staff. Also has a very well-reviewed restaurant on premises. To reach the Vlad Inn, take an elektrichka (commuter train) out to Sanaturnaya (approximately six stops outbound from the Vladivostok train station). From there, it is a short walk. Rooms from $139.
By plane
Vladivostok International Airport (IATA: VVO, ICAO: UHWW) is located near Artyom, some 50 km off the city center, has two airfields with four paved runways, and is able to receive most major types of aircraft, except very large ones such as Boeing 747 or Boeing 777. The main terminal (domestic) recently underwent a major renovation, making it the most modern airport building in the Russian Far East. The international terminal, which is located just next door to domestic one (in fact, they share the same parking), is very small and usually crowded, but as Vladivostok is slated to receive the APEC summit in 2012, the planning of further upgrades are underway. Currently, the main connection from the airport to the city is via local and shuttle buses (ticket price 55 R one-way to the Vladivostok bus station), but they would be later supplemented by the newly built railroad branch.
The airport's anchor airline is Vladivostok Air [3] that serves a majority of its available domestic and international routes. It's the largest airline in the Russian Far East; it operates relatively modern fleet which primarily includes Airbus A320 and Tupolev Tu 204-300 types of aircraft and offers something like European short-haul type of service on all flights.
The busiest destination is Moscow. In average, there are 3-5 flights per day. Flights are much more frequent in summertime (June - September) due to heavy passenger traffic. It is recommended to book an itinerary at least one month in advance during that season in order to get a reasonable fare. Principal carriers to operate this route are Aeroflot Russian Airlines [4], Transaero [5], and S7 Airlines [6]. Other destinations are barely served daily, usually service is less frequent. Besides Moscow, domestic destinations include Saint Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Irkutsk, Khabarovsk and many others. International flights connect Vladivostok with Beijing and Harbin in China; Niigata, Toyama and Osaka in Japan; Busan and Incheon in South Korea; Bangkok in Thailand; Hanoi in Vietnam; and Air Koryo also offers a weekly flight to Pyongyang. Korean Air [7] operates this route 5 times a week (in 2009) and offers flights from the continental US via a connection in Seoul-Incheon. Completion of the new international terminal in Haneda airport and subsequent increase in its capacity may lead to the opening of a direct scheduled flight by ANA to Tokyo, which is now served only by chartered flights to Narita airport.
Unfortunately, due to scarcity of the airlines operating from the airport a lot of destinations are monopolized and tickets are offered at exorbitant fares. For example, realizing its almost monopolistic position to offer connections, Korean Air bargains a fare starting from $800 for 1.5 hours plane ride to Seoul. Vladivostok Air [8] bargains similar extortionate prices for tickets to its Japanese destinations for the same 1.5 hours plane ride. The only real competitive destination is Moscow where a lot of airlines compete with each other, and sometimes really hot deals can be found. There are some hopes that aforementioned openings of a ferry line and additional flights may lead to increased competition and falling prices, but it remains a thing to see in the future.
By train
The Trans-Siberian Railway runs between Vladivostok and Moscow, with stops in major Russian cities like Irkutsk, Novosibirsk, and Ekaterinberg. Fares are from $200 single. Trains to Harbin, China take around 30 hours and cost $50.
By Boat
They now have a new ship with casino, bar, resturant, theatre etc that runs from Korea to Vladivostok
Google it.
PLEASE NOTE vladivostok within the Moscow forum
Nick C
Bez Bezarra
01-17-10, 13:42
Use unifest.ru to book airfare from Moscow to Vlad.
They seem to have the best rates.
So how much is a R/T ticket from Moscow, and how long is the flight?
What about direct from Seattle or San Francisco or even Juneau or Anchorage, to bypass Seoul and the big $$ you complained about?
Cheers Bez
thanks for reply.
If you check unifest.ru you just enter approx dates etc and it will calculate
many airfare and airline options. I got a $520 US return airfare lastime from Moscow but there are cheaper options. Approx 9 hrs each way.
Regards the "Seattle or San Francisco or even Juneau or Anchorage" options
i'ld say fly to Seoul catch a bus and catch the ship, or fly to China and fly in from there, or train in. Maybe a little resarch may help.
Cheers Nick C
I've had several PM's for the full report and they have greatly appreciated it.
The information i wanted to PM only is quite a revelation.
P.S. PLEASE DO PM me AND I ASSURE YOU, THE FULL REPORT INFORMATION
IS QUITE STARTLING. A REAL REVELATION.
Doctor_Skank
01-18-10, 10:31
Read that there is an Aurora 911 in Yekaterinburg. Anybody been there?
Stravinsky
01-19-10, 00:34
I haven't been to the Aurora 911 in Yekaterinburg. But the girl I met in the Moscow Aurora, said that she worked in the Yekaterinburg club. I got the impression that they brought her in specifically for the opening of the Moscow club.
I think the management of the clubs is fairly consistent, so if you like the club in Moscow, you'll probably find the same experience in Yekaterinburg. My guess would be that the prices in Moscow will be more expensive.
Bez Bezarra
01-19-10, 03:30
There's nothing special in your Private Message of any concern or interest that would surprise or influence any reader here or anywhere else, as your story is pretty common across China.
If business is a little busier in Vladivostok, then it just means that someone's getting better pay offs, its all proportional.
Sure it sounds like a monger could have plenty of affordable fun there, 2000 r per hour is the same price in the provinces, but until we see some fotos of the fare on the menu, to distinguish your city's ladies from any others, then they'll remain about as interesting as Prosal's Tashkent harem, that is to say, only in our collective imagination.
Let's hope Dirkdingy or GogaFung finishes your business for you Sally, and in the meantime, maybe you could see if there's anything else in your camera Nick, but something tells me that there isn't.
Hello Hello
Thanks for reply.
I will try and do better and include more photos for you later.
I'm pleased you found my report interesting. Thank you.
I did try to comment on the quality of the girls
I'm the first to admit that my report is subjective.
Really all reports are subjective, either good or bad.
It was a good experience and i simply expressed what i experienced.
For several months I have been in PM contact with a fellow member whom is visiting there over winter. I have tried to help him as best i could. He has already had good responses through Mamba. I think it will be very different in winter. In someways I can’t imagine it. I think i'll make my visit over winter to. I look forward to that.
Cheers again Nick C
“Below is a cut and paste from of a report by another reporter, google it, his experience was good and he expresses it”.
'Vladivostok Travel Report' Dated Added: Fri Jan 27 2006 Submitted by: Horny Sailor
Vladivostok, eastern Russia. I work on cruise ships and we went to Vladivostok in October 2005. I must say that from all the places I have visited, Vladivostok is by far the place I’ve seen with the more and most beautiful women around!!! It was just unbelievable! Everywhere, every corner, I don’t think I have seen a fat chick all day.
I have scored womens easily in the past with my charms only, but since I was only there from 8AM till 4PM for 1 day only, my only chance was to pay for one. So after trying and trying over and over I was getting quite desperate. I sat down at the main square and 4 good buddies of mine from the ship showed up and were looking for the same thing…
One of them being from Czech Republic could speak a little Russian. So we talked to a cab driver and he took us in the suburb to a house… Inside was about 15 of the most fucking, stunning, beautiful Russian girls I had ever seen. I picked mine and she sucked my dick, no condoms and I fucked her by any ways I wanted. I could have not used a condom to fuck but I preferred to do so…
Anyway, in order to get the 5 girls we spent together $250US. I guess it would have been a little bit more expensive for only one on one but these girls were fucking pretty. It's hard to pick one in that house… So if you ever go there, talk to a cab driver and he’ll hook you up with one of those houses. Maybe… just in Russia. (Review # 13844)
Slutlover and One O Nine, it surprises me that you find it relatively easy to have a freebie in Kgrad.
According to english Wikipedia "Kaliningrad Oblast is the most militarized area of the Russian Federation".
German Wiki says that there are troops positioned which are equivalant to the whole Polish army which has 150, 000 soldiers.
When you take into account that the Kgrad Oblast only has 955, 281 inhabitants
This means that there is a HUUGGEEE cock overhang in the non-retirees group which actually should unavoidable have an extremely negative impact on the regional cock/pussy-demand-market.
Imo the real reason why its easier to have a freebie in Russia is the better sex-ratio there(in the west with good health systems there is always an overhang of men in the non-pensioner group).
Don't get why an at least fuckable Kgrad women is happy to "finally find a good looking guy" for a fuck-unlike other Russian women she should have a wide choice of tough Russian soldiers and be bored of any nonrich or non-model-like advances.
It's not that I don't believe you, but as a future freebie mongerer my first rule actually was to AVOID any City with bigger military bases in the near, as there should be an extremely unbalanced men/women ratio.
Doctor_Skank
01-25-10, 14:34
It's not that I don't believe you, but as a future freebie mongerer my first rule actually was to AVOID any City with bigger military bases in the near, as there should be an extremely unbalanced men/women ratio.I can't say for sure, however having been to Kaliningrad and had success there (although my success was average... not better or worse than other places), you should probably consider the following in your analysis:
a) soldiers aren't allowed to roam free... they spend the vast majority of their time on base or when they go out, in groups, in uniforms.
b) soldiers are absolutely fucking broke. Zero money. I.e. can't offer a girl jack shit in terms of entertainment.
c) soldiers are quite low on the social totem pole. I am certain that the "fighting for the motherland" factor wins them some points, and there are certain to be some good-looking ones in the bunch, but the word "soldier" and "army" conjurs up mostly negative imagery in Russia... they are crazily patriotic and nationalistic in their love of the military, but also consider it a horrible place where young men are mistreated, officers are corrupt and where only the poor who can't afford to get out of service actually serve... just another Russian paradox.
d) in my nightly excursions, I have never seen a single soldier out and about.
e) conscripted soldiers are very young, 17-19. Ask around... most Russian girls 18+ consider guys in this age group to be shit-dressed, giggling, drunk, ass-grabbing, zero-perspective idiots. Exactly the kind of guys they DON'T want to have.
I really don't think there is the kind of military base culture in Kaliningrad that you might find in a navy port of call with it's rampant sleazy prostitution or it's local sluts who like to fuck Marines etc. That is Australia.
I can't say for sure, however having been to Kaliningrad and had success there (although my success was average. Not better or worse than other places), you should probably consider the following in your analysis:
A) soldiers aren't allowed to roam free. They spend the vast majority of their time on base or when they go out, in groups, in uniforms.
B) soldiers are absolutely fucking broke. Zero money. I. E. Can't offer a girl jack shit in terms of entertainment.
C) soldiers are quite low on the social totem pole. I am certain that the "fighting for the motherland" factor wins them some points, and there are certain to be some good-looking ones in the bunch, but the word "soldier" and "army" conjurs up mostly negative imagery in Russia. They are crazily patriotic and nationalistic in their love of the military, but also consider it a horrible place where young men are mistreated, officers are corrupt and where only the poor who can't afford to get out of service actually serve. Just another Russian paradox.
D) in my nightly excursions, I have never seen a single soldier out and about.
E) conscripted soldiers are very young, 17-19. Ask around. Most Russian girls 18+ consider guys in this age group to be shit-dressed, giggling, drunk, ass-grabbing, zero-perspective idiots. Exactly the kind of guys they DON'T want to have.
I really don't think there is the kind of military base culture in Kaliningrad that you might find in a navy port of call with it's rampant sleazy prostitution or it's local sluts who like to fuck Marines etc. That is Australia.Thank you Doc, for your analysis.
I am inclined towards Kaliningrad for a bit of the Russian experience albiet at a cheaper price, than taking my ass all the way over to Tiraspol, another place on my radar.
Air fares from London to Gdansk poland, are cheap as chips sometimes.
Then a hop on the bus to Kgd.
And if nothing works out there, I have the Tri cities of Gdansk Sopot, and Gydnia, in poland as reserve blond pussies.
Bez Bezarra
01-26-10, 03:46
In my nightly excursions, I have never seen a single soldier out and about.
conscripted soldiers are very drunk idiots.
Not in K-grad, but in 'other' province cities, possibly because I seem to always be there during Easter or May Day holidays, I ALWAYS see sailors and soldiers out and about.
In Ukraine, army guys in uniforms, going around in the daytime. No concerns at all. I see them around the medical and technical institutes. They act normal.
In Russia, sailors in the afternoons wearing their uniform on Sundays and holidays, but very seriously drunk. Walking around the main square, and singing. I stay far away.
Don't recall seeing any later at night, they must be back in barracks.
.. shit-dressed, giggling, drunk, ass-grabbing, zero-perspective idiots.
In a word, gopniks !! :)
By the way, I found that "gopnitsa" could be a nice and appreciated term of endearment when it was wittingly used. My current russian GF, a cosmopolitan Muscovite, loves it !!
Sexnolimits
01-28-10, 09:52
I will soon travel to Perm and work there for about 1 year. Anyone who have some good advises? I have looked at dosug. CZ and found some pro. Also in mamba. Ru there are some.
But they all want the same money as in Moskau or St. Petersburg. I don't find that resonable in a town like Perm, so any advises will be appreciated.
Vladivostok
BTW thanks a lot Nickc for the excellent infos about Vladivostok. How no one cared to thank you publicly before now is beyond me.
It gives a great overview of all one needs to know to travel there. Thanks again for the good work and for sharing.
There's nothing special in your Private Message of any concern or interest that would surprise or influence any reader here or anywhere else
I disagree. A large and rather inexpensive girl-friendly hotel with seaview rooms, located in a untapped Eldorado, and hosting a good and humanly priced strip club in the basement, two saunas with available girls and a good cocktail bar equally stuffed with WGs, is GREAT info for the monger (especially when the said girls and strippers are russian, which means a significative proportion of leggy 8s and more in the lot).
In fact after reading Nickc's post and exchanging a few PMs with him, I've put Vladivostok at the Top of my "to-do" list in Russia. My plan if (hmmm, when) I'll go there is to stay in this hotel two/three weeks (and take advantage of the P4P options in-between dates and meetings with freebies), before venturing to Khabarosk or Petropavlovk-Kamchatskij (pop 200 000 and second largest city in the world that cannot be reached by road, which means tons of horny bored dyevs jumping on any opportunity to fuck a decent-looking, heavy drinking and profligate foreigner :)).
Found a Paris/Vladivostok Aeroflot flight at 650€ round-trip ticket BTW (no stopover possibility in Moscow though), which is a great price.
Hopefully it's gonna be for this summer.
....before venturing to Khabarosk or Petropavlovk-Kamchatskij (pop 200 000 and second largest city in the world that cannot be reached by road, which means tons of horny bored dyevs jumping on any opportunity to fuck a decent-looking, heavy drinking and profligate foreigner :)).....
I am pretty sure no mongers there Prosal, I agree tons of girls horny and bored too that never saw 1 tourist, but I think despite sex and sex, you will risk to get bored too, at least me that I could care less about wild nature, vulcanoes and geyser :D
However can be the kind of travel....almost nobody did, surely an EXPERIENCE of life.
The "problem" there is fucking cold even in "summer" and imho I think Murmansk offers more or less the same, city in the middle of nowhere with no monger at all, but much closer to where we live.
I thanks Nickc too for his report about Vladivostok !
Actually the good thing, very good, about the disappointment of my last 3 weeks in Rio is that I am really hungry about great looking girls, read russian ones, so I will start to consider again to go back to motherland, I already start to learn again russian :D
Here useful link for some infos about Kamchatka:
http://www.waytorussia.net/FarEast/Kamchatka/index.html
www.kamchatka.org.ru
P.S. I just take a look on mail.ru and most girls have only 1 single photo, it looks a bit strange to me, any idea why ?
AColonizer
02-13-10, 19:08
Luka, why are you chasing the shimmers of mirrors? Travelling is expensive and it must worth.
If you have got enough sure female contacts for sex, ok the risk is worth the travel, otherwise it will be logically another waste of money.
For men who actually know female mindset, females are always ready to ask foreigners for money. And for what? Which anything do females promise you, they are always ready to change idea in five minutes.
Everything is going well, when I have started to think in a "female" way: there are no feelings or memories, there is just a neverending negotiation. All the rest is a matter for "sfigati".
I am pretty sure no mongers there Prosal, I agree tons of girls horny and bored too that never saw 1 tourist, but I think despite sex and sex, you will risk to get bored too, at least me that I could care less about wild nature, vulcanoes and geyser :D
However can be the kind of travel....almost nobody did, surely an EXPERIENCE of life.
The "problem" there is fucking cold even in "summer" and imho I think Murmansk offers more or less the same, city in the middle of nowhere with no monger at all, but much closer to where we live.
I thanks Nickc too for his report about Vladivostok !
Actually the good thing, very good, about the disappointment of my last 3 weeks in Rio is that I am really hungry about great looking girls, read russian ones, so I will start to consider again to go back to motherland, I already start to learn again russian :D
Here useful link for some infos about Kamchatka:
http://www.waytorussia.net/FarEast/Kamchatka/index.html
www.kamchatka.org.ru
P.S. I just take a look on mail.ru and most girls have only 1 single photo, it looks a bit strange to me, any idea why ?
I am pretty sure no mongers there Prosal, I agree tons of girls horny and bored too that never saw 1 tourist, but I think despite sex and sex, you will risk to get bored too
Actually the good thing, very good, about the disappointment of my last 3 weeks in Rio is that I am really hungry about great looking girls, read russian ones
Agree that one can live moments of immense boredom and solitude when travelling in deep FSU.
Nonetheless I still prefer a place like Tashkent over any place in Brasil, especially a nasty prostitution Mecca such as Rio !!
;)
I have visited Petropavlovsk Kamchatski 17 times.
Going there just for mongering is waste of time.
Lots of mongers there from Japan and Alaska.
Local men outnumber women in great numbers.
Place can be rather expensive for foreigner, "japanese" prices, since most foreigners there are coming from Japan.
Not to mention that knowledge of russian language is very needed.
Unless you want to pet bears in the wilderness Kamchatka is place to avoid.
For mongering better stay where you know the game. Proposal - Tashkent for you.
Lukasek Murmansk is also not a good place. Full of norwegian mongers who come there for cheap sex, vodka and cigars. This things in Murmansk are much cheaper then in Norway. Also Russia and Norway have agreement about easy visa issue, especially for people living close to the border. Most norwegian mongers in Murmansk are from cities of Trondheim and Hammerfest.
Kurenda, thanks for your answer.
I have more than something to think about right now, cause despite I speak quite good russian, there are too many negative points about PK.
About Murmansk, I am not much afraid about norwegian mongers, as they probably speak zero russian, maybe they overpay hookers, but speaking russian I can have access with help of taxi driver to private apts where probably norwegian will never go.
However is there are mongers, there are surely even one or more pick up bar or disco, something obviously I was not able to find in Ufa and Samara as no mongers or turists go there, at least I saw nobody...
Murmansk was one of the city I had plan to visit last year during my 2 months in Russia cause it impressed me positevely about the number and the good answers from the girls I contacted in mail.ru.
Kurenda, have you ever been to Murmansk ? Cause very little or no infos about this not ordinary city.
Been to Murmansk several times.
Pay attention Murmansk is russian northern port. When there's a port, there's a lots of sailors and lots of pros who offer their services.
Murmansk was the first soviet city where open prostitution appeared.
During WWII many ships from USA and Canada arrived to Murmansk bringing military aid to SSSR. Many local females offered their sex services to sailors after long time at sea. This was tolerated during war but in 1945 about
20 000 women from Murmansk were arrested for "immorality" and resettled to Siberia.
From mongering side Murmansk is much better than Samara for sure. Samara never see any foreigners besides poor students from Third world countries and some Peace corps volunteers from USA. They are without money anyway.
On the other hand Murmansk is port where many foreign ships arrive and foreigners are usual sight there. Also many people in Samara are of Mordvin origin while in Murmansk there are many Karels and they have different mentality. Also night time options in Murmansk are quite good. During long winter days with not much day light there's not much to do exept go out and find some fun what ever it is.
Murmansk is interesting to see but...
It's far away from Moscow, StP or Nizhny Novgorod are much closer.
Murmansk is typical soviet run down place, compared to Moscow is shit hole of course so don't expect much.
Murmansk area is very polluted. During soviet times it was huge military area and russian army left and dump there all kinds of chemical stuff.
Bez Bezarra
02-14-10, 22:37
Samara never see any foreigners, besides poor students from Third world countries without money.
This is EXACTLY the reason why Samara's ladies need to meet Bez.
No, no! Not for me, for them of course! SOMEBODY needs to provide for them. Those poor lasses deserve a better life, and they should have some fun too. I would be proud to support them.
Prosulk, Luke, please guys, head north to frozen Murmansk, and leave the springtime Mordvins all to me. :D
Professor K, could you please do a comparison for mongering between Rostov and Volgograd, and between Ekaterinberg and Novosibirsk, including any local ethnic influences on sexuality.
Spasibo escio raz Kurenda.
Pay attention Murmansk is russian northern port. When there's a port, there's a lots of sailors and lots of pros who offer their services.
Why to pay attention ? I take it as positive the big number or pros as second option if the contacts do not work and also I noticed that in every city where there are many pros, the regular ones seem a bit easier to date...imho.
On the other hand Murmansk is port where many foreign ships arrive and foreigners are usual sight there.
Maybe as a port, I am thinking about my experience in Odessa right now, the girls are a bit more smart for the high number of men arrive and leave ?
...
It's far away from Moscow, StP or Nizhny Novgorod are much closer.
Murmansk is typical soviet run down place, compared to Moscow is shit hole of course so don't expect much.
...
I was in Piter twice, never been to NN, but Murmansk seems to me more wild, strange city as it is the biggest one closer to North Pole.
I agree probably a shithole, even if I am sure much better than Samara...and for sure everything should be much cheaper than in Moscow with the same kind of devushki :D
...
Murmansk area is very polluted. During soviet times it was huge military area and russian army left and dump there all kinds of chemical stuff.
This I like a bit less, but maybe for a week or two, not a big deal, even if obviously I will never live there.
I will think however here www.murman.ru there are many pictures of the city, the nature seems wild and very nice, especially sunrise....the znakomstva redirect you to mamba.ru
Several years back i ended up in Arkhangelsk for 6 days. It was good, i'll write a report on it soon. Sometimes i really don't know how i end up in such obscure places, but for me thats apart of the adventure of the unknown.
Its quite a thrill sometimes. Cheers Nickc
Spending soon one full week in Nizhny Tagil. Any suggestions about the place? It's 4 hours flight from Moskow, 150 km far from Ekaterinburg.
Thanks
Hi to everybody, I'll be in Krasnodar for a fair mid April. It seams that Krasnodar is quite calm. But I hope somebady can give me some advise where to go to find P4P or any other option available.
Thank you in advance, waiting for some suggestion!
Alex968:
Nizhny Tagil have been mentioned here on the forum. It's not very nice place
so the best is to avoid it.
Zacchio:
Krasnodar is quite calm here in the forum because 99% of posters have never been there. But Krasnodar is not calm at all. P4P is fully available of course. Plenty of pros to choose from. Besides local girls, plenty of imports from Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia. Also whole bunch of Chechen, Dagestani and other Kavkaz pros.
Action is concentrated in the wider city center you don't have to dig much. Maybe the language will be the problem. Ask about a bar owned by certain Frenchman who rides a motorcycle. He's well know there and at his place you can get help and advice. If he's still there. In Krasnodar watch your back. Lots of Chechen mob there fighting each other, street shootings are very often and bombings also. Not that you will be the target but you don't want to be in the building if someone decide to blow it up.
Ask about a bar owned by certain Frenchman who rides a motorcycle. He's well know there and at his place you can get help and advice.
Bar is Havanna Cafe. Owner is a friend of mine, former airline (french company) pilot. Yeah, he rides a H.Davidson that he imported from Paris to Russia two years ago.
Gotta visit him someday indeed. He is dithyrambic when he talks about Krasnodar.
Your post is appealing. I truly love Caucasus dyevs. I didn't know there was Chechen and Caucasus mobsters turf wars in Krasnodar, but I don't think it's a worry for the monger.
BTW, on a cultural note, and talking about Chechnya, Jonathan Littel's new novel "Chechnya, Year III" is really worth a read.
http://www.waynakh.com/eng/2009/12/jonathan-lithell-this-is-the-kadirovs-chechnya/
Proposal thanks for reminder. It's "Havanna Cafe" I knew it was something Carribbean in the name. Frenchman is the pilot for sure, locals call him летчик which means pilot in russian of course. Hope the bar still works, don't have the info about that.
Hope the bar still works, don't have the info about that.
It's been a time I didn't talk to my friend, but I know from another source (mamba contact) that the bar is running and rather popular among Krasnodar party-goers.
It's been a time I didn't talked to him, but I know from another source (mamba contact) that the bar is still running and rather popular among Krasnodar party-goers.Ok, I'll go and I'll tell you. If nobody kill me during my stay!
LOL!
BTW I'm an Italian HD proud owner, of course.
I hate French man, but our common passion for bikes and babies could help us!
Thanks to all
I hate French man
And are you proud of publicly bragging that you "hate french" in an international forum where - some - french contribute ?
Your "participation" here is just 10 posts of silly, rambling, painful-reading and semi-coherent questions, so no need to brag.
And is there something in this silly and ridiculous bragging to be proud of, for publicly stating it an international forum where french participate?
With 10 posts of painful-reading and semi-incoherent questions or of raving nonsense, you should keep your tone on the downlow.Hey man,
I didn't want to be unpolite,
Here in Europe is well know that between us cousins (Italians and French) there is a relationship of love and hate, but is a common joke to say that we "hate" each others.
That was exatly the meaning of my sentense.
BTW,
You are answering to me exactly like a French guy suppose to do,
But I want to repet, was not my intention to offend anybody
And is clear enough from my message, that I want to meet this guy and his HD!
Peace and love!
Dear Zacchio
please do go to Nizhny Tagil and Krasnodar.
Cheers Nickc
And are you proud of publicly bragging that you "hate french" in an international forum where. Some. French contribute?
Your "participation" here is just 10 posts of silly, rambling, painful-reading and semi-coherent questions, so need to brag.Was not my intention to be unpolite.
Here in Europe is a common joke between cousin (Italian and French) to "hate" each other, but is a joke!
Think about: wine, cheeses, generally food and cousine, football, woman. And so on.
I was supposing that my meaning was pretty clear (for a Franch guy too! LOL!)
Unfortunally I don't handle English lenguage wery well and that can create missunderstanding.
I'll visit the guy, and we will drink a rhon tgeather, remember we both are bikers, and tham means a lot!
I understand.
Below is very funny article.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/3471944/Banker-blew-3-4m-on-prostitutes
I understand.
Below is very funny article.
http://www.Stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/3471944/Banker-blew-3-4m-on-prostitutesNot easy!
A big effort. I would like to get
Same opportunuty
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/national/3471944/Banker-blew-3-4m-on-prostitutes
I just can't understand how he spent $3.4 million on hookers. Apparently he was also flying them in from around the world to New Zealand.
However, if you want to try something more adventurous I would recommend the old cities in european russia (Smolensk, Oryol, Voronezh, Bryansk, Pskov, etc.). These are all relatively close to Moscow (5-10 hours by train) and tend to be pretty impoverished compared to the Volga/Urals region which means things are slightly cheaper and girls somewhat lower class (good for quick scoring). But most importantly they tend to be more compact and interesting from an architectural and historical point of view so even if you are waking up at 2pm every day after boozing/partying/fucking all night you can still spend an enjoyable afternoon at a few museums or just strolling (gulyating).
Just bumped into your post. Interesting indeed. A city with pleasant areas to stroll around is definitely a plus.
Thanks for the info.
But last year I travelled by train from Moscow to Irkutsk
How would you rate Chelyabinsk, Kurenda ?
I know that provincial Russian cities are pretty much all the same, but Chelyabinsk seems to me rather interesting, off the beaten tracks (out of the Trans-Siberian route) and also definitely not as "wealthy" and cosmopolitan (and consequently expensive and filled with Oil & Gas expats) as the other Ural big cities like Ekaterinburg, Ufa or Tyumen.
Also got an exceptionnal answers ratio from Chelyabinsk women on dating site (some knock-out beauties). And seems they don't see much foreigners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_subdivisions_GRP_per_capita.svg
Note that is GDP per capita and not average salary, so take that with a grain of salt. Still, I think it highly correlates to salary. Basically it's what you expect, Moscow and Petersburg along with oil-rich Eastern Siberia have the highest GDP per capita. The Volga region does well also. But the "black earth" belt is pretty far down the totem pole, and has lots of medium sized cities which are perfect for the monger. Big enough to be interesting during down time and to be able to date multiple girls with no issues, but small enough to be cheap so you can be the big fish.
Just bumped into Latexian's great analysis.
What about the costs (accommodation, dining out, partying, ect) in the "poorer" European Russia areas?..are they significantly lower than in wealthy Siberia, Volga or Ural regions ?
Sam Suffit
06-26-10, 15:27
Hi all,
I will be in E'Burg next week stayuing at the Zizavi.
Does someone know if the hotel is GF?
Dear friends, I will go to Ivanovo very soon but I can not find anything in internet about our hobby in this city. Do you have some info about hotel/call girls and/or special massage salon etc? Thank you in advance for your help
Ziggy Ines
07-05-10, 15:32
Anybody has some hints/tips for Novosibirsk?
Tia. Ziggy
Anybody have any experiences (recent or not) in the Russian Far East - Vladivostok or Khabarovsk areas? I know that very little English is spoken in those parts, but otherwise how is the infrastructure for travellers?
I've met some beautiful women over the years who are from the region so I figured I'd go directly to the source. Would appreciate any info related to the area.
After travelling to Nizhny Novgorod (NN) regularly for a few years now, I thought I’d share a few tips on this charming city.
Introduction
Let me say, right from the start, that NN is a great monger place. Through extensive trial and error, I’ve had plenty of success there (and some failures, but that comes with the territory). It is full of vibrant university types, most keen to practise their English with a foreigner, particularly from my part of the world. There are some good bars, places to go and a good atmosphere, summer or winter.
Orientation
The city can be divided into two areas, due to its position on the confluence of the Oka and Volga Rivers. There is the area where the train station is located, an area predominately occupied by factories ; and the “upper city”, where the Kremlin, the main shopping area, the university and the many institutes are located.
I never went to the factory areas, and except to catch the train, never went to the area where the train station is. I concentrated on the upper area, because there was no real need to go anywhere else!
The main street is Pokrovskaya street, a pedestrian street about a mile long. Here, on a nice summer evening you can just sit back with a beer and admire the splendour of the dyevushka in all of her glory. On a winter’s day, they are just as fetching (albeit with a few more clothes on). Here you can try the lost tourist, or the photographic adventurer, or just the generous foreigner. You may land a nice catch by using any of these disguises, at least someone to have a drink with!
There are some nice restaurants and bars along this street and in the streets around.
Pokrovskaya street links the Kremlin area with Gorky Square, an important transportation hub and an easy reference point for the city centre.
Where to Stay
I only ever stayed at two hotels – the Oka Hotel on Gagarina avenue and the Oktyabrskaya on 9A Verkhnevolzhskaya, and even then, I only stayed two nights at the Oktyabrskaya. As far as I know (and I picked up a WG at the bar), the Oktyabrskaya is girl friendly.
The Oka is a nice business standard hotel, with the renovated rooms on the 7th floor. Rooms 701-704 have two rooms – a bedroom and a living room. 704 is my favourite...the scene of many delights!
The hotel is very girl friendly. Within 10 minutes of checking in, you’ll receive a phone call offering a girl – I never took up the caller on this offer as I preferred to choose my own. You can do this by going to the cafe on the 5th floor after 10pm and waiting for the hotel girls to come in. They vary greatly in looks and performance, but generally they are a nice group and I’ve got to know most of them over the years. The cost is 2500 RUR an hour, and I’ve never been ripped off by one of them. They’ll perform together (some more into girls than others) and I’ve had up to four at once with no problems. Sometimes you’ll run into them in the lift or in the lobby, and unless they’ve just been called up for duty, they’ll be available.
If you bring a girl in, and you have a double room, they’ll just register the girl to the room, give her a few breakfast tickets and away you go. If you bring a third girl, they’ll charge 650 RUR for the extra guest. Despite there being some very nice girls at the check-in counter, they’ve never batted an eyelid at anyone I’ve brought back. (Not sure what happens if you have a single room, as I’ve never had one).
The hotel has three bars attached to it, as well as the Cafes on the 2nd and 5th Floors. The first bar is just off the lobby and is usually pretty quiet, but good for a meal or a beer or watching who is coming and going but no girls.
The second is a sports bar/bowling alley basically underneath the hotel. A nice bar and you often get some pretty girls playing bowls there, but I’ve never seen any WG. I’ve taken my sponsorette’s there for a meal and bowling and they like it.
The next bar is the Club Motor. This is one of the diviest bars I’ve ever been in to, but for some reason, I liked it. Generally on a week night, it is pretty quiet but you may occasionally find a table of studentka there celebrating something, or some lonely girls just out on the town. It is dark & dingy, but a real experience. On Thursdays they sometimes have strippers, and more than once I’ve seen this turn into an amateur night. Fridays they often have bands and this is when the club really fills up. Plenty of dyevs, and all very happy to chat. A few phone numbers and even a freebie once, and a good time to be had.
I also got to know a few of the bar guys, the manager and a young guy who sings karaoke. They are all happy to help and call a “friend” if you are in need. In my early days, if I wanted a change from the hotel girls, I’d use their services.
Around the back of the hotel is a sauna, and it has two areas that you can rent by the hour. I think it cost 1500 RUR an hour (or maybe that was two – my minimum stay). There’s a change room, a room with a table and chair, one with a bed and of course showers, a pool and a sauna itself. I’ve used these quite often, and are good value if you don’t want to take the girls back to your room. The girls also seem to like them.
Stripclubs & Bars
Regular Clubs & Bars
There are two bars to go to according to my girls. They are Rocco and Z-Top. I haven’t been to Rocco much. When I did go there, I recall it was a part of a large complex that may have also included a strip bar. Z-Top is a huge club just off Nizhny-Volzhskay Naberezhnaya. I had a few good nights there (although Face Kontrol can be strict) with plenty of dyevs on show, go-go dancers and possibilities for P4P (although do be careful offering it straight up...).
Also Matriza and Picasso get good mentions, but not really being much of a clubber, I have not been to these places.
There is a nice bar (called the Penthouse) on Mal. Pokrovskaya, just down and around the corner basically from Macdonalds. I didn’t detect any WG’s there, but the times I have been there was tables of studentka and they certainly looked approachable. I took my sponsorettes there a number of times, and with hooka & sushi available, they liked it.
Strip Clubs
As far as strip clubs are concerned, there are quite a few in the city. It seems alot of the restaurants and hotel complexes have an adjoining strip club.
Those that I am familiar with include Club 33, also on Nizhny-Volzhskay Naberezhnaya. It has the advantage of being just around the corner from Z-Top, and the girls are dressed as nurses (befitting the name of the bar). 1500 RUR to get into the VIP section, and this is worth it. Although the same girls move between the VIP and non-VIP sections, they are far more attentive in the VIP. Generally very good looking and youngish (alot of the girls are students). The usual ranges of private dances are available, and depending on the girl, there may be some touching allowed. I did ask one blonde stunner with near perfect English how much to get her back to the hotel and it was in the vicinity of 30k. I don’t know if that is usual.
Another place, and the first place I ever went was called “Strip Club” in a complex on Ill’inskaya Street. I was the only customer and so had undivided attention. I wasn’t too bad, and I had a triple girl private dance which was one of the best I’ve ever had. The girls were top-shelf, were into each other and I was allowed touching and a jerk-off, which they liked very much. I’ve since seen one of them out of the club (she was at the NN University where I visit often – I actually recognised her during a lecture I was giving...pretty funny) and I had another one from this encounter when she moved to Club Dream (more on that later).
One to avoid in my opinion is called Club Lotus or Lotus Flower (something like that anyway). It is on Pokrovskaya street, at the Kremlin end on the left as you walk down toward the Kremlin. 1500 RUR to get into the VIP section, much smaller VIP than others, lower quality girls and a lack lustre feel to the place. Only redeeming feature is that it is easy to find.
A small club close to the Oka Hotel on Gagarina avenue is called Dreams or Club Dream. It is part of a small casino complex. To get there, leave the Oka, head right up the street to a perehod. Cross the street, emerge from the perehod and head right. Walk down the street about 100m and it is on the left. There is usually an expensive car on show out the front, and hot girls in the windows. Go in, head left and through a door into a casino. On the right you’ll see a white door – go through (you may have to pay – I had a VIP pass and didn’t have to) and you’ll be in the strip bar section. A bar at one end, two private booths at the other end and a dancing area in the middle. Usually 4-6 girls rotating through and all very attractive (they’ll also all tell you they are students.) Prices for private dances etc are pretty reasonable (around 600 RUR-1500 RUR), and the girls will usually spend more time sitting with you than usual (it is very rarely crowded) in the main section.
There is a hotel attached to the club that offers a room on hourly rates. You negotiate with the girl and she organises the room. I think it’s about 2800 RUR an hour for the room and then the girls are negotiable. I’ve had two from there (a combination of alcohol, attractive young women and erotic dancing loosens the wallet) and one was 6500 and the other 8500 (tsk tsk...) for 2 hours...but they were stunning!
There are plenty of other strip bars/clubs in the city, but I haven’t been out all that much recently.
Places to Eat
I won’t go too much into this, but places where you might like to take a dyev include the aforementioned Penthouse (look for the sign with the Black cat on it).
There’s a sushi bar at the top end of Pokrovskaya street (on the right as you walk down). I was in there once (a Saturday afternoon), and of the 22 seats available in the non-smoking section, 21 were taken by women under 30! I was amazed.
Another interesting place is “English Embassy”, for nice waitresses (very short skirts), most of whom speak English, and English beers on tap. It is located at Zvezdinka Street , just off Pokrovskaya street, one block. Similar to the John Bull chain in Moscow.
Also on Pokrovskaya street is a nice Czech restaurant with some of the nicest (and coldest) beer in Russia. Also hot waitresses and live music makes this a nice chill out place. The dyevs usually like the sausages here too! It’s on Pokrovskaya Street, about half way down on the left.
There’s a good shashlik place, also on the right of Pokrovskaya street as you head toward the Kremlin, at the top end.
Other Resources
The Internet
I had alot of success on the internet. I met with around a dozen or so girls, some who were advertising “sex for money” and others who may have been looking for sponsorship or “friendship & chat” that meant “sex for money”.
Some were short term (there are a few apartment/salons along Maxsim Gorky Street off Gorky Square) and then there were the long term sponsorships. I used Rambler, which shares the database of a number of sites (Mamba at least being one of them). Of course, using the net is always a hit or miss affair, but perseverance and a keen eye eventually paid off.
NN University
I had the opportunity of working here a number of times and it is well worth a visit just to walk the grounds, particularly in summer. Have a seat and watch the awesome parade! There isn’t a bar as such on the grounds, but there is one across the road that changes its name almost weekly. Sometimes it is open and sometimes not. The university is on Gagarina avenue just down from the Oka hotel. There are many studentka here who need help with their fees...
Conclusion
If you get a chance to go to NN, take it. The train ride from Moscow is relaxing (five hours or so, enough time for a few beers and to get relaxed). The girls are nice, friendly and lack the “stuck-up” nature of many Moscow based girls. They’ll generally be interested in you as they don’t see many foreigners. It’s a relatively safe place (usual precautions apply) with some very GF accommodation options.
Happy to answer any questions,
Cheers,
Bez Bezarra
08-05-10, 02:01
Strip Clubs
As far as strip clubs, at Club 33, I did ask one blonde stunner how much to get her back to the hotel and it was in the vicinity of 30k. I don’t know if that is usual.You don't know if $1000 dollars to fuck a stripper, is usual?
Then again, she was probably so hot, that the brain simply isn't capable of bargaining.
Bez,
What I meant was usual for that club, ie if you went there and asked one of the girls to leave with you, if the quoted rate is their standard response, if it was this particular girl, or me, or what they may be negotiated down to...
...although I was tempted!!
Cheers,
Dogger's Guide to Nizhny Novgorod How no one (except Bez with his usual quibbling) thought about congratulating you for this very informative, added-value and elaborate post is beyond me.
Thanks for this great overview of N.N.
Where to Stay
I only ever stayed at two hotels – the Oka Hotel on Gagarina avenue and the Oktyabrskaya on 9A Verkhnevolzhskaya, and even then, I only stayed two nights at the Oktyabrskaya. As far as I know (and I picked up a WG at the bar), the Oktyabrskaya is girl friendly.
The Oka is a nice business standard hotel, with the renovated rooms on the 7th floor. Rooms 701-704 have two rooms – a bedroom and a living room. 704 is my favourite...the scene of many delights!Could you say what kind of rate you got at those two hotels?
Thanks
Could you say what kind of rate you got at those two hotels?
Thanks
At the Oka it was around 4800 RUR and the Oktyabrskaya 6000 RUR. I stayed many times at the Oka so we received a special rate, I think the advertised rate is 5500+.
Cheers
At the Oka it was around 4800 RUR and the Oktyabrskaya 6000 RUR. I stayed many times at the Oka so we received a special rate, I think the advertised rate is 5500+Thanks Dogger,
It's unfortunatly fucking expensive. Accommodation is what keeps me away from provincial Russia. NO WAY I going to pay 130€ for a 3/4 stars Soviet hotel when one can get the Shangri-La Bangkok or the Grand Hyatt Jakarta for the same price (not that I have any desire to go to SEA this winter, just to say). Of course, apartments are the best way to go in this EE and FSU, but booking an apartment for two weeks in a place where you don't know in advance if you'll not going to be bored silly during weekdays is risky.
Fucking dilemma. I decided to take loooong vacations somewhere in FSU (and to leave Uzbek dyevs for a while) from Nov 5 till January 9 and I'm fucking procrastinating. Accommodation budget is at most 50€/day. Luka, any thoughts?. Could Minsk be the best alternative?. What was your experience with weekays nightlife in Ufa and Samara?
... Luka, any thoughts ? ...
I really have no idea where I could start.....well, it can be a long post right ?
Let's start....
Last tuesday I was driving my car back home from Germany, it was about midnight, full moon, no clouds, 2 friends with me were sleeping, I spent 3 nice days in FKK, very good for what you paid.... but looking at the moon do you guess what I thought about ?
Right !
The best holiday of my whole life !
2 months in Russia provincies !
We spoke about one month ago Prosal, you told me how is it possible I have no more interest to go there again.... well in FKK I found great GFE with top notch girls at reasonable price and I got a bit lazy to travel, but it was enough to find a girl in Colosseum FKK from Tver and to speak in russian with her making not only her, but also my 2 friends, surprised for my russian knowledge to make me homesick for Russia.....
Well my little brother is happy I go so often to FKK but my heart in FKK feels almost nothing !
100 times in FKK does not change you as person, 1 time all alone to provincial russia makes you better person, wiser and gives you tons of unforgettable memories.....I could almost write a book....
So it seems exactly after 2 years I went there, you took the decision to do the same trip....
In a friendly way, but I envy you....
It will be not easy, but you will never forget it....and you will thank me to encourage you to go there ;)
You are experienced monger, I do not think it will be much harder than in Tashkent, but in TSK you stayed 2 months, changing every 1-2 weeks city, it will make you tired, cause everytime you have to find the places to go, even before the accomodation at reasonable prices....in a land where even at 4 stars hotel probably they will speak nothing more than russian....
You choose the faster and stronger way to improve your russian.....
But remember one thing, I never feel unsafe there ! ( at the contrary as I felt in Rio....even if I was often with some mongers... )
The first suggest I can give you, even if it sounds obvious, is to travel light. I travelled with 2 medium size suitcases and laptop. 1 suitcase and laptop is more than enough for me now !
Second.... best plan, none plan !
Be ready to change your plans in every moment.... cause maybe you will be at the last day in one city and in that night you will find the "right" girl.... so stay there please !!!!!
Do not change the city !
But move if you will see in one city there is nothing for you !
Third... follow your instinct ! Do not get drunk, for example, you will be probably at 99% of time the only one foreigner out there....
Smile at entrance of discos-clubs... face control sucks sometimes, but in a land where there is no tourist even a very very small tip to the security steroids man, opens every door !!!!
Full your laptop of movies and take some books, it seems maybe ironic, but I am serious, you will have much time without know what the fuck to do !
Do not procrastinate again or you probably will never go there....
Buy lonely planet guide, very very helpful !!!!
Weekdays are boring in almost every city I went !
No matter where you are, on friday and saturday in every places, from the little shitty bar next door your hotel to the best disco in the city, full of girls.... the other days you will be the only one out in the night.....you have to be good and smart to collect many phone numbers in the only 2 days of the week when half city go out to party and be aware that probably the other days girls will stay home even if you offer to pay them dinner and entrance to disco....
Ufa or Samara ? Very easy question !
Samara suuuuuuucks !
There were many villages that grew up and become one city that was called Samara, so there is not one center ! Or well it is, but it is only one 300 metrs street ! Remember in Samara I needed one hour from my apartment to go to center by taxi during rush hour.... the best clubs are one far from the other... you will write sms to meet with one girl and she will tell you she lives too far from center to come to meet you....it happened to me many times in Samara....too little streets, too many cars, too complicated !
Ufa ?
Well go there bro !
Capital of Baškortostan.... the girls look like different from other cities in Russia, think.... I love blond, I fall in love there for a dark hair.... the population there is a big mix from russia, tartars, baskiria.... the girls are gorgeous !!!!
Jet club on friday and saturday had the best girls I saw in my whole life and I was the only ONE foreigner there for 14 days.... before me I am sure the other foreigner was Jake993 :D LOL
Jet club is 3 floors building, with wonderful restaurant with free wifi, good sushi there, second floor disco, third floor bowling.
I stayed 50 metrs from Jet club at Yuldash hotel, small hotel, very good price, ( something at 40 euro per day with breakfast ), new rooms with net and I took there at no extra charge tons of hookers LOL. ( some nights when I went to sleep alone, the old woman at reception asked me.... no girl tonight ? :)
There is another huge club far about 10 minutes of taxi from Jet club, then Tinkoff bar and almost nothing more !
But every taxi is more than happy to call you another car who will bring you 20-24 yo pros for something as, 2 years ago, 1500 rubles, I am pretty sure the price is almost the same right now.
Thinking of Ufa.... made me almost my eyes wet..... I'd go there tomorrow !!!!
Oh.. if you can, go with a buddy or try to find there, it will be hard, another monger.... I am pretty sure, if I was not all alone everyday I could enjoy much more the moments I did not know what to do....even if probably is the fact to be all alone so many thousands km far from your home city that makes every night with a girl so.... unforgettable !
Obviously...use sauna as place to take a rest and to order pros.
Something really amazing is when you get a pros, no matter if from sauna, from taxi driver, she will get shocked when you will tell her you are not russian..... they did not believe I am from west europe ! So many times I had to show them my passport, not to militsia but to the girls !!!
To meet the second day the pros you got the night before is quite easy and for free !
DO IT !
And do not be shy or afraid to order pros to taxi driver and believe me, he will bring you pros that looks like very nice, totally normal girls with normal job that need some money more !
Behave good with them and you will never want to go back home.....NEVER !
I found not useful for me mamba, I went there with 42 phone numbers and I met maybe 10 girls....but try it, you can meet even a not nice girl, who cares, she will be surely so friendly and more than happy to show you the city, during the day, and most important, the places to go during the night ;)
Take with you much cash, I had 8 banknotes of 500 euro each, cause in the fucking Samara 1 bankomat and 3 credit cards did not work !!! Then immediately out of Samara they worked again all 4 ! ( the explanation of the girl at unicredit bank was that the microchip of my cards was not read from the old ATM they had ! I tried many different banks ).
However even when it works, I was not able to get much cash per day, so if I will go again, I will bring even more cash, cause you can change everywhere euro but not every ATM will give you rubles and when it does, you pay high % commission.
I do not hide you Prosal that accomodation sucks out of Moscow and Piter !!!
Almost not web page of renting flat, the choose is between 5 stars fucking expensive hotel or 1 star shitty hotel !
However book from net 1-2 day at the cheapest hotel you find in the net and once there first thing to do after put the suitcase in your bedroom go to find a better accomodation and........ please negotiate and negotiate !!!!
If they tell you 2000 rubles per day, say ok, but 10 days at 1000 rubles per day, they will smile, leave and in most cases they will call you back and you will close the deal for 1500 per day ! It worked for me...
If I will go there again, I will choose 5 cities almost random, I will contact in mamba girls from these cities to have at least 10 phone numbers of girls per city, but I will be ready to move to another city asap I will get boring or I will not like one !
Be patient... take it all easy, very easy ! (that's the best suggest ! )
You will be where almost none tourist was.... you will be something totally new there for everybody... it means you can try to date almost every girl from the one at the bar where you get a coffee from the one at post office where you will probably find the only one internet point in the city ( read shitty Samara... ).
I cannot suggest one city, Kurenda in this is much better than me, but one city I want to see is yekaterinburg, more than ones told me that the night life is very good, but I have no experience about it !
Forget Tashkent for a while, there it is already as a second home for you.
Do not worry, hard from internet but out there it is not impossible to find 50 euro per day accomodation !
Minsk ? You can go to Minsk when you will be 80yo !
Well what I could say more dear Prosal ?
That writing all this, made me so much want to go there again !!!!!!!!
I cannot now, ( I know you are gonna to ask me to join you ;) ) I have to work, I spent 2 months this summer at home with broken clavicle, but it is decided, I will go again in provincies !
Not cause it is cheap, but cause ONLY out there you will have the chance to LIVE the kind of GFE that a russian girl who never saw a foreigner can give you !
And that's indeed a VERY good reason to go there !
Believe me !
Thanks for reading me
The best holiday of my whole life !
2 months in Russia provincies !Thanks Luka for your refreshing enthousiasm, I appreciate, really. Makes me pondering to the old adage "who dares win", something any monger should keep in mind instead of procrastinating about "pioneer" untapped destinations. Furthermore, a bit of internet search made me realize that the accommodation problem isn't that bad, as there is in fact plenty of sites for apartment rentals. Found notably those ones about Ufa and N.N (this site seems really useful for accomodation in Ural and Volga cities):
http://www.nasutki.com/sity/ufa/spisok.php
http://www.nasutki.com/sity/nn/spisok.php
Anyway I gonna decide myself in the next two/three weeks, so after that, I'll surely have more "practical" questions to ask you.
Spasibo.
Ufa or Samara ? Very easy question !
Samara suuuuuuucks !
There were many villages that grew up and become one city that was called Samara, so there is not one center ! Or well it is, but it is only one 300 metrs street ! Remember in Samara I needed one hour from my apartment to go to center by taxi during rush hour.... the best clubs are one far from the other... you will write sms to meet with one girl and she will tell you she lives too far from center to come to meet you....it happened to me many times in Samara....too little streets, too many cars, too complicated !
I've spent a lot of time in Samara and while the above is true, it's still an okay city for freebies and for mongering (ask any taxi driver). The only two clubs during the week that work are Polyot (DON'T GO HERE -- Gopnik club) and Metelitsa (definitely the best option, and good on the weekends too). Neither one of those is walking distance from the old town center. Samara is very spread out and traffic during the day is terrible. But at night taxis are everywhere and cheap (200 rubles max).
During the summer the embankment is amazing, during the day the beach scene is great (even some topless Russian beauties sunbathing) and there are lots of stunning women and parties going on in the outdoor cafes until morning (although the sun comes out around 2:30am, which kills the party atmosphere, so best to go to a club around 1:00am).
Avoid the strip clubs in samara. There are three or four, but all of them are overpriced even compared to Moscow (e.g. 15.000 RUR for an hour private dance). Actually in general strip clubs in Russia are pretty terrible outside of Moscow and Piter in my experience.
On the weekends there are tons of good clubs, but just a few are Zvezda, Skvoznyak, SexOn, Longbar (all next to each other) as well as Lust and Teatro (closer to downtown). Longbar is the only club I saw that had pros and semipros working (it's also the most upscale/elite club in the city and the only one that regularly has foreigners). You can also get streetwalkers on Gagarinskaya ulitsa after evening. See here for more information on concerts and clubs:
http://www.samara-night.ru/party/
As in any provincial Russian city your best bet is always renting a private apartment (find phone numbers online or in "iz ruk v ruki" newspaper).
Hotel Volga is a big Soviet style hotel, but a great location in summer on the embankment and cheap prices (as low as $20/night for a room).
Generally though I find for short-term partying/mongering/chasing tail a smaller city is better (but not too small) something like 300,000-500,000 people, like Yaroslavl or Smolensk. Those cities are big enough that there will probably be one place with decent night life even during the week, but small enough that they are compact and it's hard to get lost or waste time traveling around.
I will also say that in a big city like Samara or Ufa the "white god factor" isn't nearly what it used to be (although still better than Moscow). But the few times I've gone to some really out of the way places in Russia to towns of 50,000 or 100,000 people that no one on ISG has even heard of, I literally had girls competing to get into my pants (even had one grab my hand and take me home to her apartment before one of her friends could make a move). Another time a waitress, after hearing my accent, came and sat with me for over an hour to talk while I was a restaurant, which ended quite well later on.
But really any city is fine, the most important thing is your attitude and energy level. It's hard to force yourself to go out alone jet-lagged and tired when the hotel bed is warm and inviting. And in the bigger cities the transportation can be bad and it's hard to know where to even begin. Not to mention in these bigger Soviet-style cities (e.g. Ufa, Samara) there isn't much to do or see. So I would recommend if you're going to the provinces to do yourself a favor and stick to the smaller historic cities in European Russia: Voronezh, Vladimir, Yaroslavl, Smolensk, Oryol, Pskov, Bryansk, etc.
Thanks Dogger,
It's unfortunatly fucking expensive. Accommodation is what keeps me away from provincial Russia. NO WAY I going to pay 130€ for a 3/4 stars Soviet hotel when one can get the Shangri-La Bangkok or the Grand Hyatt Jakarta for the same price (not that I have any desire to go to SEA this winter, just to say). Of course, apartments are the best way to go in this EE and FSU, but booking an apartment for two weeks in a place where you don't know in advance if you'll not going to be bored silly during weekdays is risky.
Fucking dilemma. I decided to take loooong vacations somewhere in FSU (and to leave Uzbek dyevs for a while) from Nov 5 till January 9 and I'm fucking procrastinating. Accommodation budget is at most 50€/day. Luka, any thoughts?. Could Minsk be the best alternative?. What was your experience with weekays nightlife in Ufa and Samara?
I just saw your post Prosal. There is not much night life during the week in Samara, but during the summer the embankment is good at least until 1:00am or so. That one club, Metelitsa, has 3 floors but during the week at least the first floor is always okay (at least 20-30 girls will be there). This info is from July.
If you are at all concerned with cost I would strongly, strongly urge you to go to Ukraine instead. There are still untapped smaller cities in Ukraine where foreigners have just as much of a bonus as in provincial Russia. In fact I would say more so, since you don't see as much anti-Americanism (if you're American).
For example, the town of Romny in Sumy oblast (pop. 50,000) where I spent a few nights has only one club, but it's open 7 nights a week and is dirt cheap. I showed up every night and one night hosted a whole table of girls celebrating a birth day, the total bill was something like $70 (for champagne, chocolate, food, cocktails, etc. etc.). A hotel room there was $12 a night for a luks room (standard room was $7/night. And this was in 2009.
By comparison, in a small town of 50,000 people in Russia where I spent two nights in 2010 I had a hotel room for $30 a night and it was absolutely terrible. I mean unbelievably bad. There was only one toilet in the entire hotel and it was in one of the rooms, so you had to knock and ask permission of that guest to use the toilet.
Or compare train prices. A kupe ticket from Moscow to Samara is about 4,000 rubles ($120) for a 14 hour ride, while kupe from Kiev to Lviv is $20 (for a 10 hour ride). Beer in Samara is about 100 rubles at clubs ($3.50) but only 6 hrivnya in provincial Ukrainian clubs ($0.80). Hotels are correspondingly cheaper. Another example, the tram or bus in Samara is 15 rubles a ride ($0.50) but in Kiev the metro is only $0.25 (and in the provinces the buses are a lot less than that).
I spent a night out in a small Ukrainian town recently trying to find a good club (on a Friday). I took 4 taxis around the town, had 5-6 beers, a pack of cigarettes, and payed entrance at one of the clubs, and all of that was under $15 (which is what entrace costs at some clubs in Samara).
And Ukraine has some other perks that are just a hassle in Russia, for example there is no registration in Ukraine (which can be a pain if you are renting a private flat in Russia). Also in Russia, to buy a local SIM card you need local registration, so you might have to wait a few days after arriving to be able to call girls at all. In Ukraine it's just $5 cash for a SIM card no questions asked. And of course for EU citizens and Americans you don't even need a visa, which is a huge plus.
I think the main thing is to avoid the places in Ukraine that are just overloaded with mongers (Kiev and Odessa in particular). Western Ukraine also seems to not be as good in terms of girls, I think mainly because their attitude is more standoffish and they dress more modestly as well. But there are lots of Eastern Ukrainian cities where most people are Russian-speaking and their incomes are 1/3 of what people are making in Russia. I was just in Ukraine and met a group of girls working at the local shopping mall in a smaller city, and they all made less than $120 a month for 6 days a week working. In provincial Russia they would be making at least $400 a month.
But you could pick some unvisited cities. Have you heard of Priluky? What about Kramatorsk? Shostka?
If I had two months and could go anywhere in the FSU, I'd pick a small Ukrainian city like that where you could live like a king on $1000/month, and for another $1000 a month you could probably sponsor 3-4 girls.
My thoughts for Proposal...
Minsk? Since you want to stay for a two months it will be hard to get a visa unless you have a registered business there. Tourist visa is for 30 days max so forget about Minsk. Most probably you will soon get bored there.
Ufa or Samara? Personally I prefer Samara for some reson but Ufa is better monger wise. But you all forgot one thing. Proposal wants to go there during November - January both this places will be cold with lots of snow. Especially Ufa which is just under Ural.
Also because of recent fires Samara region is pretty fucked up, lots of ashes floating around.
I can suggest Vladivostok which is ok for winter or maybe Astrahan.
But I must agree with Latexian. For a longer holiday Russia is difficult because you'll need to arrange long term visa, registration, etc. Ukraine is definitelly cheaper. This long period is ukrainian provinces can be hard uless you have good knowledge of russian and local support in the meaning of knowing local people. Eastern Ukraine can be fun but mongers like to avoid this area. Just check reports from this area, they are rare. Lugansk (scam capital of Ukraine) is to be avoided definitelly, Kharkov is big enough to offer something. I'd go with Dnepropetrovsk probably. Or Lvov? Much better to be one of the few mongers in Lvov than one of thousands in Kiev or Odessa. Close enough to border so you can make a quick trip to Poland, Slovakia or Hungary just for the change or atmosphere.
If you choose russian provinces it will be hard to do it unless you want to spent like whole days in the train or spending your budget on air ticket.
if you are at all concerned with cost i would strongly, strongly urge you to go to ukraine instead.thanks latexian for this elaborate and useful answer.
admittedly, as i plan a two monthes trip, budget is a matter of prime importance. my budget for per day expenditures (including accommodation) is about 150€, which means that i don't want to spend more than 9000€ for the whole trip. and 150€/day including accommodation means no or few p4p, no financially suicidal raids in strip bars, no dates in excessively fancy places, ect. just accommodation, "normal" dating expenses and clubbing (i'm a rather thirsty and prodigal party-goer). so effectively, i focused on russia because i'm fond of russian women and russian culture, but budget-wise, ukraine (or belarus) could be a more appropriate option. you've been to chernigov already btw ? ...an internet contact told me that any decent-looking foreigner showing-up would be immediatly raped by long-legged dyevuski (she also secondarily told me that it was one of the most enjoyable city in ukraine with many reminders of the past).
thanks again anyway.
ps : i'm not american, but francais ;)
My thoughts for Proposal.
Minsk? Since you want to stay for a two months it will be hard to get a visa unless you have a registered business there. Tourist visa is for 30 days max so forget about Minsk.From what people at embassy told me, you can stay up to three monthes (which is the max period allowed each year in Belarus) on a touristic visa. You have the adequate LOI though.
Thanks for your answer anyway. I'm fascinated by provincial Russia, but more and more, from the answers of the specialists here, I'm afraid that it could be financially suicidal for a two-monthes stay.
An interesting destination for mongers that find Kiev too expensive, Odessa full of money *****s, and who don't feel ready to just go off to some random industrial Ukrainian town.BTW Latexian, bumped on your post in the Ukraine threads. Which East Ukraine city (with a decent weekdays nightlife, something primordial for me) would you recommend for a long stay ?
What are your thoughts about Donetsk?
Three months belarus visa you can get , with additional documentation, hassle and high price. Forget it. Also Minsk will tour out too expencive on long term and simply forget about belarusian provinces.
Chernigov? Simply forget about it. All quality girls are already in Kiev, the city is Bible belt, people are very religious, city is full of of old orthodox churches and monasteries. Many people there told me they met their partner in church he he.
Kharkov can be a good option since there's a lot of students. Even if your russian is bad still you can manage with your french. Plenty Third World students, including Morroco and Algier where your french comes to action. You can be sure those girls left their muslim upbringing back home.
150 Euro a day budget is high so it will take you lots of money. But it depends on your needs. I spent 100 Euro a month for a 4 months stay in Norilsk. But I had a free stay and food.
The best is that you contact some apartment agencies to see what price you can get for a long stay term. For example in Ufa I met a Englishman who rented apartment there for a three moths. The price was 600$ a month but he also had to pay monthly bill for electricity, gas, water, phone, etc. Decent one room, kitchen, bathroom in wider city center.
Just few comments:
I saw snowing in Ufa at beginning of october....
I paid just a bit more than turistic visa, +80 or 90 euro, to get 3 months business visa for russia, I registered not every time, not in every city and even if here in many said I could have problem, they checked every pages of my passport but none problems at airport when I left.
To me provincial russia fascinates million times more than provincial ukraine and it is not only difference in my mind I guess, in Ufa, as Kurenda said, you are after Urals, almost closer to China than to Europe, you see that, you feel that.... in Ukraine even in Uzhorod or Nikolaev I have the feeling I was in Europe or at least just a couple of hours from the biggest european capital. So Prosal if you have 60 days of time, go there where is more far... in future you will have no problem to visit all Ukraine, but probably in future you will be more lazy to go to or close to Sibiria, the kind of travel, that as I saw, you have to decide and to go, cause if you keep on thinking about, you will end to turistic places, where it is easier to stay, but probably you won't get the same vibe provincial russia can give you.......IMHO.
The last... if I was you Prosal, go to provincial russia, if you will not like, ok it was just un unforgettale experience and you can then put your money, time and energy to Ukraine, Minsk and so on.... but consider that maybe you will like it and you will plan the second travel to russia provincies as I do....
P.S. better we do not forget Prosal was one of the very few here to go all alone to Tashkent and he was very successfull, his report is still one of the better of TSK
BTW Latexian, bumped on your post in the Ukraine threads. Which East Ukraine city (with a decent weekdays nightlife, something primordial for me) would you recommend for a long stay ?
What are your thoughts about Donetsk?
Prosal unfortunately the only Eastern Ukrainian city I've spent appreciable time in was Sumy. It's an okay city though, with at least some nightlife during the week (although there is probably better in Donetsk, Kharkiv, and Dnepropetrovsk).
Maybe Lukasek is right though. I will say this, I spent almost half a year in Samara and never met a single native English speaker (not a single American, Brit, or Aussie). And I went to clubs a lot.
Even in small towns in provincial Ukraine you will run into Europeans and Americans (often connected with marriage agencies).
Lukasek is right to point out that in Russian cities that are far from Moscow the very fact that they aren't accessible means there are very few foreigners. There are some exceptions, like Tyumen and other oil-centered regions, but lots of bigger cities without those kind of industries have almost no foreigners.
The problem, of course, as you pointed out is that provincial Russia is no longer cheap, and considering what you get for your money (hotels, restaurants) it's ridiculously overpriced. Hotels in provincial Russia are more expensive than provincial USA (think Mississippi) and so are restaurants, and the quality is much lower.
So if you're going after freebies, and you are young, have good game, are good looking and have money to burn, provincial Russia could be a gold mine.
But let's be honest, a big reason why girls in the FSU are interested in foreigners is money, and in Ukraine the economic situation really works to your advantage, both for pros and for freebies. Even if you're not promising marriage, just treating a girl to a good time is much, much cheaper in Ukraine than in Russia.
I agree with Latexian2, just for freebies UA is cheaper, but less exotic. But I guess a person who went to Tashkent alone was not only in search of pussy, otherwise why to go there just to date girls ? Prosal, and I think I am not wrong, is looking for something different, he wants to go where the other did not go and reading his reports about TSK I am pretty sure he has game enough to be successful with girls there, that's why I suggested him RU instead "turistic" UA.
However if the budget is 150 euro per day, well, that's more than fine !
Accomodation something like 40-50 euro per day is quiet "easy" to be find, not the first day, but once there definetely yes.
I did not spent 50 euro per day to eat and I do not eat at Mc Donalds :D
I cooked often dinner at my apartment, first cause doing this 2-3 times per week you save something and second cause the best past I ate in provincial russia was the one I cooked with my hands :D and third is a nice idea to suggest to women, come to my place I will cook something nice for you and we will have romantic dinner together.
Then considering in 2 months you do not take 60 hookers, but average 30, one day yes, one day not, for me 150 euro is enough budget.
I used all the time this: http://www.s7.ru/en/ and Moscow Ufa is about 180 euro round trip, not bad for me.
I spent about 8-9.000 euro in 2 months, I got 24 hookers and I spent the last 3 weeks in Piter....
...I will say this, I spent almost half a year in Samara...
WOW !
I guess for business, so please tell me, how many freebies at the end you was able to date ? I mean after the first month, you stop to pay pros, you had more than enough normal girls right ?
Ok, I finished to hate Samara, as I wrote, but hey, half year in the same city in provincial russia.... if I can write one book, you can write a library man ! :)
Please tell us some stories, we are very curious and I am sure it will help Prosal to decide too.
Thanks in advance !
I agree with Latexian2, just for freebies UA is cheaper, but less exotic. But I guess a person who went to Tashkent alone was not only in search of pussy, otherwise why to go there just to date girls? Prosal, and I think I am not wrong, is looking for something different, he wants to go where the other did not go and reading his reports about TSK I am pretty sure he has game enough to be successful with girls there, that's why I suggested him RU instead "turistic" UA.
However if the budget is 150 euro per day, well, that's more than fine!
Accomodation something like 40-50 euro per day is quiet "easy" to be find, not the first day, but once there definetely yes.
I did not spent 50 euro per day to eat and I do not eat at Mc Donalds
I cooked often dinner at my apartment, first cause doing this 2-3 times per week you save something and second cause the best past I ate in provincial russia was the one I cooked with my hands and third is a nice idea to suggest to women, come to my place I will cook something nice for you and we will have romantic dinner together.
Then considering in 2 months you do not take 60 hookers, but average 30, one day yes, one day not, for me 150 euro is enough budget.
I used all the time this: http://www.S7.ru/en/ and Moscow Ufa is about 180 euro round trip, not bad for me.
I spent about 8-9.000 euro in 2 months, I got 24 hookers and I spent the last 3 weeks in Piter.
WOW!
I guess for business, so please tell me, how many freebies at the end you was able to date? I mean after the first month, you stop to pay pros, you had more than enough normal girls right?
Ok, I finished to hate Samara, as I wrote, but hey, half year in the same city in provincial russia. If I can write one book, you can write a library man!
Please tell us some stories, we are very curious and I am sure it will help Prosal to decide too.
Thanks in advance!Let's not down McDonalds. It was my savior in Moscow.
Bez Bezarra
09-01-10, 05:38
please son, don't go to russia!!
go somewhere easy. go to chernigov and get immediately raped by long legged dyevushki!! go to minsk!! don't listen to kurenda, he has never been anywhere! ;-)
the last thing we want to hear is how you went to the ends of the earth, and slayed a multitude of exotic hotties again, and then never ever get to see what any of them really looked like.
go to ukraine, please, and tell us all how great you did, and then we'll all know, by the photos of the streets and apartment building entrances, and the interesting building architecture pics.
then again, you want to go to russia november through january? actually yes, you should definitely go. murmansk, archangels'k, perm, yakuts'k, all excellent choices for you. the best time to monger there, for sure.
please son, don't go to russia!!
go somewhere easy. go to chernigov and get immediately raped by long legged dyevushki!! go to minsk!! don't listen to kurenda, he has never been anywhere! ;-)
the last thing we want to hear is how you went to the ends of the earth, and slayed a multitude of exotic hotties again, and then never ever get to see what any of them really looked like.
go to ukraine, please, and tell us all how great you did, and then we'll all know, by the photos of the streets and apartment building entrances, and the interesting building architecture pics.
then again, you want to go to russia november through january? actually yes, you should definitely go. murmansk, archangels'k, perm, yakuts'k, all excellent choices for you. the best time to monger there, for sure.i understand your bitterness bez. must be hard to be stucked unemployed in a trailer park in rural iowa when others are planning two monthes trips to candyland.
i sympathize.
I understand your bitterness Bez. Must be hard to be stucked unemployed in a trailer park in rural Iowa when others are planning two monthes trips to Candyland.
I sympathize. Hey, don't fucking rub it in.......... ;)
It's hell having to rely on Oprah and Jerry Springer as a source for excitement.
Does anyone know where I can find good information on Russia's laws regarding *solicitation*?
Or are there any?
Bez Bezarra
09-06-10, 01:36
Bez,
I understand you're unemployed in a trailer park in rural Iowa, but somehow you'll be posting many new photos of dyevushki models.
And I am going on a two month trip to Candyland, that no one will EVER see what ANY girls from there look like.Kurenda, please tell our Francaise Ami, that Murmansk is the perfect place for him in December.
Better yet, just keep going north with the polar bears to Novaya Zemlaya. You'll get that nice warm glow from the radioactive decay.
Grecolover
09-06-10, 20:30
I have RTTF but it seems info on Ekaterinburg is scarce at best. Any latest info will be appreciated.
Grecolover
Re: Vlad1 re: Hotel Vlad. do follow up with barmans offer in the foyer bar, also ask at the Sauna bar to the left of the lifts. Also check the other main sauna around the back of the Hotel, they have girls available to. The strip club in the basement is pricey as you say. They do have free nights as I explained before. Also check for the business cards stuck on the lifts walls – that would lead to a line up of girls to your room. I was surprised you saw some girls were working outside the main entrance, carpark area, follow up on that perhaps. I don’t know where the guys around the lifts have gone to, PM me if you work that one out. They will be there sopmewhere. I have emailed a contact there Re: more info. Will post it here. Mamba girls have a high hit rate in Vlad, check that one out to. Theres another part of the hotel, over the road is the roof top entrance to it, it is 5 storeys and embedded into the cliff. It will have cards in the lifts. At the bottom of that hotel is a restaurant and club beside the beach. Walk along the promenade, theres many bars in that area.
Studio Cafe is an upmarket indoor/outdoor cafe/bar in central city, Svetlanskaya Ulitsa. Many girls go there, not really working girls. We went to this good nightclub down the road. Another hotel is Versailles Hotel, (Svetlanskaya Ulitsa) its a classic hotel, grand architecture but a little expensive perhaps. It use to have a casino full of beautiful hookers, but Putins decision to ban casinos put an end to that ) Hotel Hyundai is big and run by Koreans and it has hookers around but i spent many hours trying to figure that one out. I think they would ring you in your room if you stayed there, but i never stayed there. It has a sky bar/restaurant on the roof with stunning views. Also taxi drivers are a good source. Check out Taxi drivers just outside hotel carpark gate. Most hotels there have carpark gates due to hits been done on particular people leaving hotels, but those days have gone now. PM me again for further info. I will be doing trans-Siberian flight soon - October, see you there.
Cheers Nickc
P.S. Prosal could you PM back to me that mamba contact i gave you for Vlad, I lost her details. Cheers
re: previous report. I just had contact. The guys around the lifts are still there, they must have been displaying at the time. Check again )
Kurenda, please tell our Francaise Ami, that Murmansk is the perfect place for him in December.Well, as the lenght of my scheduled vacations obliges me to cut the daily spending, I lowered my ambitions and forgot about Vladivostok or Ufa to go to Kharkov, following in that the wise and enlightened advices of Latexian and Kurenda.
Weather is not a problem, thanks. I booked an apartment with sauna and jacuzi. ;)
Bez Bezarra
09-10-10, 03:28
To cut spending, I will go to Kharkov.With the kind of incredible limitless success you had in scoring with dozens of the hottest most exotically sexy girls on the entire planet, that you had in Tashkent, I think we're all surprised that you're not returning there, to use your vast knowledge and experience to assume the role of Ultra-Monger.
In between all your Kharkov freebies, you'll really save on the p4p there. What a selection of passionate dolls!! And the strippers, oh boy, smoking hot and practically free.
That place is freezing by the end of October, and pretty miserable after that until April. You'll have a lot of fun walking around in the -30 C winds with your new Candy.
Definitely a good choice Sully! Awfully sorry I won't be joining you. I'll be too busy collecting welfare checks in my double-wide at the Mudflap Skunks Trailer Park in Podunk Corners, West Virginia.
Stravinsky
09-11-10, 17:02
I'll be too busy collecting welfare checks in my double-wide at the Mudflap Skunks Trailer Park in Podunk Corners, West Virginia.Hey Bez,
Ya know what? I've been making pretty damn good money trading in them empty Dr. Pepper bottles at the Piggly Wiggly. :)
I thought I’d share an experience I had one summer that might be of interest to those seeking something different to do when in Russia.
I have had a lot of opportunities to travel around Russia by train. I really like this form of transport and have been to just about every place that’s an overnight trip (or a ½ day trip) from Moscow. Sometimes I’ve been by myself, others with a sponsorette and once, I met a stripper from Club Dreams on the morning train from Nizhny Novgorod to Moscow who was more than happy to earn some extra cash in my compartment for the five hour journey!
I decided to see what could be done mongering across Russia by train, as well of course see those fascinating parts of Russia that the railway traverses. My plan was to fly to Vladivostok from Moscow, and then take 3 weeks to travel back, stopping off at various cities to see what local talent I could hook up with.
When getting on and off the train this way, you need to buy a ticket for each leg of the trip. This involved buying a lot of train tickets, so I enlisted the aid of my favourite sponsorette from Nizhny who was happy to spend three weeks fucking me on and off the train, buying all of the train tickets, booking accommodation and doing all of the translation and leg work that needed a fluent Russian speaker. Plus she’s just fun to be with…and at a reasonable price!
Our last activity once we had decided which cities to stop off at, buying the tickets etc was to jump on rambler/mamba and try and make contacts with girls in each of the cities we were to stop at to meet and have some fun. We lined up a few in each city and finally we were off.
Just a quick explanation if you have never been on a Russian long distance train – there are usually three classes - 1st Class called SV (spalny vagon) that has two bunks (some have fold out top bunks, some don’t and the quality varies – but always just two people maximum), 2nd Class or kupeyny where 4 people share the same space and platskartny or 3rd Class, where there are six bunks in the same space. For my plan to work, I booked SV all the time. These cabins can also be locked on the inside, are air conditioned and the provodnitsa (carriage attendant – or she who must be obeyed!) tend to be a lot easier on your comings and goings.
We flew to Vladivostok and spent a weekend there. Vladivostok is a nice city (there’s some good reports around here on it), a couple of good bars and one of the three girls we had lined up previously turned out to be pretty hot and we had a good time with her (another was also nice and the third a no-show). The Mauro Giavanni pizza place at the end of the pedestrian street at the ocean end had go-go dancers/strippers there on the Saturday night that we found quite amusing (strippers in a pizza place...who would have thought!). We stayed at the Hotel Hyundai and there were no issues.
Our first train leg was 12hrs to Khabarovsk, most of it overnight. A few beers, a BBBJ and some DATY in 69, and we were down for the night.
Khabarovsk was a real surprise. After checking in to the Hotel Amethyst we went and strolled the city. Very nice – clean and neat. Met two of our contacts during the afternoon and arranged to meet one of them later that night at a local bar. We ended up at a club called Hospital…very appropriately named where the girls worked up a sweat and then we retired to the Amethyst for some good 3some action. Next day we met another girl who showed us some more sites of Khabarovsk, had a nice lunch and then back to the Amethyst for a round of afternoon fun.
Our next leg was 53 hours to Ulan-Ude, crossing the Far East. This proved to be a very interesting section, as something unexpected happened.
53 hours may seem like a long time on a train, but it is broken up into many smaller stops, some no more than 2 mins and others up to 30-45 mins. It was at one of these stops that we discovered a hidden gem of riding long distance trains…girls on the train are interested in spending some time in 1st class…not so crowded, air conditioned and a chance to earn some cash. Our strategy was to mingle with the crowd on the platform, approach a likely target and strike up a conversation, and then put it to her that we might meet back on the train in the dining car, have a few drinks and then spend the time having some fun. We were able to score two on this leg using this method!
Our next stop off the train was Ulan Ude. We only had one contact arranged here and unfortunately she was a no-show. Ulan Ude itself was a nice enough city, although quite polluted and littered with rubbish in many parts. We did a great tour of the eastern side of Lake Baikal here (had an amusing lunch with a fisherman in the Selenga River Delta...ever seen a city bred 21yo Russian girl try to eat fish head soup?...).
Ulan Ude had some reasonable bars and clubs but we just didn’t gel with this city. Accomodation was at the Baikal Plaza Hotel in the centre of the city and there were no issues with this hotel. Some potential WGs in the lobby/bar area, but we didn’t explore this option.
Our next leg was a short 7 hour hop around the south edge of Lake Baikal, with some great views out to the lake. I never thought I’d be doing a 21yo Russian hottie dogstyle while watching Lake Baikal roll by...but there I was!
Irkutsk was our next stop and in contrast to Ulan Ude, we really connected with this city. We had three contacts here, and we hooked up with two of them, one of these twice (the third we met for drinks but nothing came of it). We were also able to pickup in the park beside the river – alot of people go there and watch the sunset, there are a few kiosks along here, and we got talking to some local girls and one was happy to accompany us for the evening. Again, an unexpected but pleasant surprise.
We stayed at the Hotel Victoria and there were no issues. Plenty to do in Irkutsk or there are visits you can do to Lake Baikal. For nightlife, we were shown a few large clubs and entertainment complexes...all packed with great looking girls, but I already had two so I don’t know how many were available etc. Overall, thoroughly recommend Irkutsk.
Our next leg was 29 hours to Novosibirsk. Similar to before, we used our platform technique and scored well. A nice big titted Siberian dyev who worked us both long into the night as the train rolled across the Siberian plain. Luckily we had plenty of beer and vodka to keep her entertained in between bouts!
Novosibirsk was the largest city we stopped at and it felt like it. A much harder edge to it than the other cities, although we experienced no real problems. There are plenty of bars and nightclubs, again a lot more choice than the other cities. We had arranged to meet three girls here, and met with all three. They were fun and enthusiastic, and one showed us around the sights of Novosibirsk by day and night. There were no issues with the Hotel Sibir, one of the largest hotels in the city.
It was back onto the train for our final push to Moscow. We had tried to organise a side trip to Tomsk, having heard some good things about it. A quick internet search showed it was certainly over represented in our chosen search category on rambler/mamba, but unfortunately we could not get a ticket there and back that would connect to our existing tickets. Maybe next time...
This final leg was 54 hours, so it was back to the platform technique. We had our technique all worked out now and we were successful another two times. The sponsorette was a little bit wary as we were approaching her home area, so there was a chance (albeit slight) that there was someone on the train that might recognise her. Anyway, this didn’t happen and our final two scores were very nice. We also almost scored one of the attendants from the dining car, but she couldn’t quite get away (or didn’t want to enough). Anyway, there’s another option for future trips.
Soon we were rolling into Nizhny, and my sponsorette left the train and went home. Five hours later and I was in Moscow, completely exhausted and satisfied with the trip of a lifetime.
Number 1 tip - do your research . This took me about a year to plan, and the key to success for me was using rambler/mamba and the sponsorette. Her "fee" was $100 per day, and it was well worth it for having a fluent Russian speaker, good company and sex whenever I wanted it.
The trip was also made possible by my old mate Cialis...available at any good metro apteka!
Cheers,
Wow, amazing report.
That does sound like the trip of a lifetime. How many years back did you do this?
Gentleman Travel
09-17-10, 14:50
I thought I’d share an experience I had one summer that might be of interest to those seeking something different to do when in Russia.
I have had a lot of opportunities to travel around Russia by train. I really like this form of transport and have been to just about every place that’s an overnight trip (or a ½ day trip) from Moscow. Sometimes I’ve been by myself, others with a sponsorette and once, I met a stripper from Club Dreams on the morning train from Nizhny Novgorod to Moscow who was more than happy to earn some extra cash in my compartment for the five hour journey!
... I enlisted the aid of my favourite sponsorette from Nizhny who was happy to spend three weeks fucking me on and off the train, buying all of the train tickets, booking accommodation and doing all of the translation and leg work that needed a fluent Russian speaker. Plus she’s just fun to be with…and at a reasonable price!
Great report! This is one of my fantasies - not exactly spending three weeks fucking on a train - but having a fuck-bunny to make those overnight train trips more pleasant. Sleeping in the 4 berther with a random selection of Olegs and Yuris is no way to enjoy nights in Rodina! Well done!!
Nice trip Dogger, thanks for the report.
I want to do it myself, maybe first in along the Volga.
Do you have to book the trains and the hotels well in advance or can you just show up at the train station and get a ticket and at the hotel and get a room?
When getting on and off the train this way, you need to buy a ticket for each leg of the trip. This involved buying a lot of train tickets
No you don't need to buy a lot of train ticket.
There's option to buy only one ticket, which lets you stay up to 10 days at each station/city on transsiberian railway. For example you can exit at Novosibirsk and stay there for 10 day and then continue to Vladivostok on the same ticket. I went on transiberian 23 times and always did this way.
Ticket you need to buy at least one month (the earlier the better) before your trip. If you decide to get a ticket few days before the trip you won't get any.
If you have company (like a girl) then get a sleeping coupe. But if you're alone then get a platskartny especially if you can speak russian. This way you will meet all kinds of people. Men will offer you to drink, older females will feed you and girls - it depends on you. If your russian sucks then forget about this, you can easily get robbed and there's always cops on the train who will see financial opportunity in you.
No you don't need to buy a lot of train ticket.
There's option to buy only one ticket, which lets you stay up to 10 days at each station/city on transsiberian railway. For example you can exit at Novosibirsk and stay there for 10 day and then continue to Vladivostok on the same ticket. I went on transiberian 23 times and always did this way.
Kurenda,
Does that mean you can get on and off the train at any city you like for up to 10 days at a time?
Or 10 days in total for all stops?
VG.
You can get in any city and stay up to 10 days in each of them and then continue. The ticket is valid for 120 days.
City/train stations must be on the main transsiberian railway in which the train usually stops. The condition is to buy Moscow-Vladivostok only and not for example Moscow-Novosibirsk and then continue from there.
There are 10 major cities/trainstations between Moscow and Vladivostok. Theoretically if you stay 10 days in each of them it will be 100 days enough to use your ticket.
This option is ulmost unknown among foreigners and no body use it. Problem is visa because time exceeds 90 day visa. Even if you have 30 day visa you can stay like 2 days in each city.
This option is remain from soviet times, the action was called "Know your country to love it more".
Kurenda, thanks for the info...I'm not sure we looked at this option and rejected it for some reason, or completely overlooked it, but I'll keep it in mind for any future trips.
Sweep - it was two summers ago.
Chercheur - buy the tickets and book the hotels well in advance, especially in the summer. Then again, you could just go where the wind blows. I have turned up at the train station and the airport and bought a ticket on the first train or plane that I could get a seat on. There's always an adventure to be had somewhere.
I've also done a Volga cruise...I'll save that story for another time!
Cheers
You can get in any city and stay up to 10 days in each of them and then continue. The ticket is valid for 120 days.
City/train stations must be on the main transsiberian railway in which the train usually stops. The condition is to buy Moscow-Vladivostok only and not for example Moscow-Novosibirsk and then continue from there.
There are 10 major cities/trainstations between Moscow and Vladivostok. Theoretically if you stay 10 days in each of them it will be 100 days enough to use your ticket.
This option is ulmost unknown among foreigners and no body use it. Problem is visa because time exceeds 90 day visa. Even if you have 30 day visa you can stay like 2 days in each city.
This option is remain from soviet times, the action was called "Know your country to love it more".
Kurenda,
Excellent reply, thank you very much.
So, in other words, this couldn't be used between Moscow and Beijing if I understand it correctly?
When you get a moment can you write the name of the ticket and approx how much it costs, if you happen to know...
VG.
I am travelling to Samara soon.
Anybody have hotel recomendations with some action?
BTW I was in Rostov on Don recently and a good hotel with plenty of girls is Mr. X centrally located.Man can you add some details about rostov on?
I really need it and will apreciate.
Bez Bezarra
10-06-10, 01:08
Man can you add some details about rostov on?
I really need it and will apreciate.Hey MuskOxOfMinsk!!
Wow! That's really digging way down!
The guy you asked for help hasn't even posted for more than 3 years. How'd you even find his 2003 post?
Geez, I thought that I was wierd!
Hey MuskOxOfMinsk!!
Wow! That's really digging way down!
The guy you asked for help hasn't even posted for more than 3 years. How'd you even find his 2003 post?
Geez, I thought that I was wierd!
Bez,
Maybe he did a search on "Rostov", found the post and didn't notice the date? I know using the search option isn't really that popular...
Rostov doesn't appear to have alot reported on it...might have to go there one of these days...
Cheers
Bez Bezarra
10-17-10, 22:27
Well, yeah, a search. But what a search.
Rostov is a great spot. Along with Voronezh and a few others, but you already knew that.
Your little blond goddess is still the hottest anyone's posted in several years.
I'm currently freezing my zhopa off, and getting some pretty nice talent coming my way. Agency prices are steady at 1500 rubles per hour. Had a nice sweet thing one night, and a little firecraker another time. Not to easy to get any fotos so far, as usual.
Also had a few internet babes, gotta say, so far, nothing to throw back, all worth the time and trouble.
Also met a few girlfriends of girls I met last year, which has made things really interesting, as the talent has improved in that area. Another coming for lunch tomorrow.
But by far, working on freebies. Just about to crack my own blond goddess, who wants me for her birthday present in a few days, and I will only be her second guy. And another doll, a young Audrey Hepburn look-alike. If I only had more time.
Just reached my half way point, time is flying. What a country!
Bez,
The blonde is stunning, but she knows it too :-) Costing me more every month! School fees, textbooks, lab equipment...all for a bit of ass...but what an ass! I might get some more photos of her up soon.
Freezing? After the summer we had, I want it to be as cold as it can possibly get...I hope we hit -40 in Nizhny this winter. I like the anticipation when the dyev takes off her big outer coat, to reveal her glory underneath!
I have a 20yo cutie from Medvezhegorsk looking for a sponsor...not sure I'm keen to go there in the winter! (Although she is studying in Nizhny...)
Good luck, sounds like you're scoring well.
Cheers,
Dogger -- No offense but you seem to be full of empty talk. First you say you want it to be -40 in Nihzni and then say you don't want to go to a rinky-dink town near the Finnish border, presumably because it's too cold there.
There are reasons not to go to your dev's hometown, but temps are not among them. However, in Mf-gorsk I stayed in the worst hotel I have ever seen -- in Africa, Latin America, U.S. and Asia, and the old Soviet Union. Didn't even have a toilet seat.
Your sponsorless dev should never be required to return to that hellhole.
Vittu,
No offense taken...
My discussions on temperature in NN were purely tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, in reply to Bez's comment about it being freezing... sorry that didn't come across in my post...I really don't hope that it gets to -40 this winter...
I don't think I'll need to go to Medvezhegorsk, as I mentioned she is studying in NN and that fits my profile.
Cheers,
Bez Bezarra
10-22-10, 16:43
Well, sports fans.
Can't say that I am missing home much, or America's favorite pastime, fall classic bullshit or whatever. I'm enjoying the glorius motherland's favorite pastime, being knee deep in sweet gushy stuff.
Took me an entire 10 days to hit the big jackpot, but after following the Doctor Skank rule of thumb, I waited for the 3rd date, and walked Lera into the bedroom, and BAM! God Almighty, she has saved my mother-fucking ass from the brink of doom.
Not that I haven't been quite busy with numerous highly enjoyable alternatives, but this piece of candy was simply extraoridinary. Took me back farther than I can rightly remember, to those heydays on the strip when my phone never stopped ringing for spinners in need of accomodations and a pizza. Lera is about as perfect as they come. In at 1:00 and out at 4:00.
To top off the day, Nataly showed up at 9:00, looking like a dead ringer for a teenage version of Melanie Griffith, and with the most incredible tits I've slurped since the amazing Ukrainian blondinka Alla had back in '03.
The bad news for all you bastards from hell, is that I am having the absolute worst trip ever, when it comes to photo opportunities, and modeling. For some reason, I have had virtually every dyevushka turn down any and all offers to do some modeling, so unless something really changes in the next few weeks, you guys are going to be completely in the dark, and I have bought a brand new camera for nothing. I can't even get lingerie shots from these gals. The lighting in this flat is atrocious, so I'm really trying to get a shot in during the day, when the sun almost never shines, because the room lighting will draw nothing but complaints from the peanut gallery of whining dorks. And almost every time I switch on a light, it burns out the bulb. I think I'm down to about 3 lights left in the fucking place.
As usual, you get ups and downs, yesterday was awesome. Today, I couldn't win for losing, and then out of the blue, Katya calls. She works every dam day, and so last week, hooked me up with her waitress pal, who looked all right, had a decent body, but was really a notch or two below the very high level of talent I've been fortunate enough to have been meeting. But Katya had a new pal, that she sent me. A very sweet, quiet lady, Irina, with a hot little body, and I finally rigged up the little desk as a fuck platform, even though I broke two legs on the fucking thing last night with Nataly. Katya, who's twat looked no bigger than a SIM card, opened up like some gaping wound when I bent her back, and was looser than a goose full of shotgun pellets. Well, no problem. After I got bored twisting her into a pretzel, it was an almost effortless shift to her backdoor entrance, and she never even blinked!
This place is really, well, there's just nothing good enough I can say, to put it into words. Have to go jump in the shower, Zhenya is meeting me in an hour across the street with her girlfriend. This will be expensive, sure, but what the hell, I've only spent half what I thought I would by now. Not one girl has asked for hardly anything extra so far, so I'm way behind, and can afford to go wild now.
It makes no difference where you are in Russia, once you get out of Moscow or St. Pete. The clod is even bothering me anymore, its actually the heat that fucks me up. Every store, shop, office, apartment, is always set at 78 to 80 degrees, and no ventilation, so I break out in a sweat, no matter where I go. Well fuck it, it helps draw out all the poisons. That, and blasting massive loads all over these tartar girls. God bless them.
Please, you [Deleted by Admin], don't come here! Go to Moscow, go to Kiev! Please!
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Bez Bezarra
10-27-10, 15:35
I have to post an update.
Things are getting really interesting now. As luck would have it, with the standard russian wierd twists and turns, I let someone who I should have known better to avoid, take advantage of my generosity and good nature.
She was someone that proposed to find me something a few steps above the standard 1500 ruble agency dyevs, which is always my primary goal, bu she tried to talk me into 10,000 rubles, about $330, for an all-night date with a supposedly good girl, some student from the institute, 20 year old blondinka. Not that that's a bad deal, but it just sounded suspicious, so.........
I passed, as I was working on some other endeavor that evening. When I tried with this chick from mamba again, to see if there was any other possibilities for a little less, the hag-slag slammed me and said I'd be better off with cheap prosititutes. Where'd she get the nerve to insult me, and how could she mis-judge the Bez-meister so completely wrong. Nobody spreads the wealth more then I do, I mean, really, what the fuck.
Anyway, she shows up with some skank, and I told her that she'll really have to come up with something better.
So the next night, she shows up with a 19 year old blondinka, pretty tight looking body, with a face that was nothing special. She hits me up for 4000, for the hook-up , and then tells me that I should give the blondinka about 10,000! I paid the hag to get her annoying ass to go away, and then all the crap I was expecting started to go down. The blond is playing very coy, don't do this, don't touch me there, I've got problems, bla bla bla.
Well, I assumed I just got set up, especially when this girl starts crying. And then I ask her, how long do you know the hag? Oh, they just met today on the internet!! Turns out, that the blond was simply on the rag, a very bloody mess. I managed to only smear one piece of linen with her red visitor, and then told her, well, I'm only giving you half, and here comes the tears again. Oh, the hag told me we were only going to a cafe to talk, not have sex!! Oh, I need more money than 5000 to pay for all my school, bla bla. Did she really think she was getting screwed? 5000 is still a lot, and with the 4000 I paid to the hag, that's $300 for a very messy quicky, I think I'm the one who should be crying.
But then, here comes the russian mystery! Turns out, blondinka has LOTS of friends, and her friends have friends too. All from the institute. So we decide that Bez is gonna pay for all her school needs, by blondinka introducing me to Katya, Dasha, Yula, and some other styudenka tomorrow night.
Just when you think, you fucked it all up, this place does a big 180, and it all falls in your fucking lap!
Fotos to follow. Stay tuned.
I got stuck here in this sh1thole for several weeks.
Anyone else here?
Just looking for some buddies to hang out and try to get laid.
...Did she really think she was getting screwed? 5000 is still a lot, and with the 4000 I paid to the hag, that's $300 for a very messy quicky, I think I'm the one who should be crying...
Well for 300$ in Russia outside Moscow and Piter probably yes, you should cry....
WTF as you said, but to pay 300$ to have one girl to introduce her friends is still a lot or am I wrong ?
Do you plan to spoil girls in provincial Russia maybe or do you want to be sure they see you as the typical foreigner tourist who overpay everything with pussy who move on two legs ?
Oh well at least you had one girl crying just for you :D
I'd try the option 1500 rubles for 1 hour and if she is really good, then and only then I will pay more to make her stay till morning or to take her the second day....even better take her phone number and invite her to a lunch together...too much complicated, right Bez ? Or too cheap for you ?
I had the feeling some years ago you was "a bit" more successfull with girls in FSU and at "a bit cheaper" price :D
However thanks for your update, something new for you to write a normal report, do you feel good ??? lol
I hope so cause with your report you made my day man !
Nice halloween in Russia....oh btw 2 years ago you joked me, that I choose november to go to FSU, cause, your words, the best time is in spring and summer when girls wears almost nothing....nice to see you choose warm weather to be there..... :D
Well for 300$ in Russia outside Moscow and Piter probably yes, you should cry....
WTF as you said, but to pay 300$ to have one girl to introduce her friends is still a lot or am I wrong ?
Do you plan to spoil girls in provincial Russia maybe or do you want to be sure they see you as the typical foreigner tourist who overpay everything with pussy who move on two legs ?
Oh well at least you had one girl crying just for you :D
I'd try the option 1500 rubles for 1 hour and if she is really good, then and only then I will pay more to make her stay till morning or to take her the second day....even better take her phone number and invite her to a lunch together...too much complicated, right Bez ? Or too cheap for you ?
I had the feeling some years ago you was "a bit" more successfull with girls in FSU and at "a bit cheaper" price :D
However thanks for your update, something new for you to write a normal report, do you feel good ??? lol
I hope so cause with your report you made my day man !
Nice halloween in Russia....oh btw 2 years ago you joked me, that I choose november to go to FSU, cause, your words, the best time is in spring and summer when girls wears almost nothing....nice to see you choose warm weather to be there..... :D
It's always a good time to go to FSU.... the normal prices I got two/three years ago, far out of Moscow (I mean some hours flight) was 800/1000 RUB hour 6-8.000 overnight...
An I just got nice young ones... have some mamba contacts (you never know where work brings you) and the price idea is the same...
1.000-1.200 hour and reduction for LT, a good daily escort rate for a non pro non agnecy could be 300 USD but for 24 hours unòlimited sex, and then 200 USD for all days more...
It's simple to calculate, if you look at the agiencies. Mind that the girls get approx 40%... so...
IT
Bez Bezarra
11-02-10, 01:00
Well for 300$ in Russia outside Moscow and Piter probably yes, you should cry.
WTF as you said, but to pay 300$ to have one girl to introduce her friends is still a lot or am I wrong?
Do you plan to spoil girls in provincial Russia maybe or do you want to be sure they see you as the typical foreigner tourist who overpay everything with pussy who move on two legs?
Oh well at least you had one girl crying just for you
I'd try the option 1500 rubles for 1 hour and if she is really good, then and only then I will pay more to make her stay till morning or to take her the second day. Even better take her phone number and invite her to a lunch together. Too much complicated, right Bez? Or too cheap for you?
I had the feeling some years ago you was "a bit" more successfull with girls in FSU and at "a bit cheaper" price
However thanks for your update, something new for you to write a normal report, do you feel good? LOL
I hope so cause with your report you made my day man!
Nice halloween in Russia. Oh BTW 2 years ago you joked me, that I choose November to go to FSU, cause, your words, the best time is in spring and summer when girls wears almost nothing. Nice to see you choose warm weather to be there.
All right now, Luk. Let's get it straightened out, since you seemed to have veered offwards.
Absolutely, $300 is about as generous as anyone should ever get, and the expectation should be that the quality of the dyevochka and the full on GFE should be well above and beyond any ordinary sponsorship. At that level, its usually a sign that the candy is simply just too sweet to turn down.
In the case I mentioned, the plan was never to pay, solely to tap a new source. I never expected the whole experience with Irina to go so badly, but I also never expected that she would send me so many quality sponsorettes, more than I ever had time to meet. But since when are Russian girls going to show up for a first date with a new very rich guy, when they are bleeding like a stuck pig? I think that's only ever happened before once, but that was not an expensive girl, that was just some dumb girl in search of some sex training.
So, you must have missed my first in-country post, but I mentioned that I had already spent my first week busy calling all the agencies, and as usual, I turned down most of what they sent me, for 1500, because, as usual, the quality was simply below any standard of decent mongering behavior. Drunk fat ugly skanks are simply unacceptable! But that's mostly what you get for $50. Did I make the effort this time to run around and check out all the cat houses? Well, no, not even once! I've done that before, and it didn't get me anything except time wasted and taxi money. It was interesting, it was different, but I got almost as much accomplished this time without all the running. My driver, a great helper, over the last 3 years, was AOL, cell phone never answered, and I never found a new evening driver who seemed like he would be as big a help. I did ask around, but maybe I'll find one next time?
Listen, you don't have to call me uncomplicated or cheap either, those are both ridiculous thing to say to me. I'm having one agency girl coming over in the morning on her own time, then meeting some mamba girl for lunch, then meeting a freebie at my cafe after her lectures at the institute are finished, and then getting a late night visit from a girlfriend of last year's sponsorette. As far as hunting for bargains, I have found them before, and this time too, but they aren't always available. Besides, its more fun pushing the limits, to get something special.
I did feel great, walking up all the hills without getting tired. The stairs started getting harder than easier, and I trained for two months before going over, I never used my own elevator, and I live on the 5th. My flat was only on 4th, but it got tough at the end. I'm glad I made your day, that's what I live for, as you know.
Had a molar go abscess, while I was sitting in the airport, waiting to leave. Not the best timing, since I just checked my suitcase with the painkillers, so my flights were brutal, went straight to the dentist from my airport and got the bugger yanked out. The last few days haven't been very pleasant, especially now facing the next 6 months in sex prison.
But that's the monger life, is it not?
Any one any hints/tips/websites/ emailaddresses for Ekaterinburg?
Through Google I don't seem to be able to find anything.
Any one any hints/tips/websites/ emailaddresses for Ekaterinburg?
Through Google I don't seem to be able to find anything.
Try www.sextalk.ru ...
There is a dedicated Ekaterinburg report section ... which will have links to many of the devas ...
Enjoy ... and report.
P13
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So, you must have missed my first in-country post, but I mentioned that I had already spent my first week busy calling all the agencies, and as usual, I turned down most of what they sent me, for 1500, because, as usual, the quality was simply below any standard of decent mongering behavior. Drunk fat ugly skanks are simply unacceptable! But that's mostly what you get for $50. Did I make the effort this time to run around and check out all the cat houses? Well, no, not even once! I've done that before, and it didn't get me anything except time wasted and taxi money. It was interesting, it was different, but I got almost as much accomplished this time without all the running. My driver, a great helper, over the last 3 years, was AOL, cell phone never answered, and I never found a new evening driver who seemed like he would be as big a help. I did ask around, but maybe I'll find one next time?...
I have the feeling that even motherland changed and a lot.... am I wrong ? Cause I hope so....
My last time was in 2008 and obviously I am missing Russia a lot and honestly even the russian girls I got in the German FKK do not seem to help my homesick, they only help me to improve my knowledge of russian language, that's not bad either, but not enough too....
I will busy until about the end of 2011 now and to have a lot of work it is not bad in this economical crisi, but I am already looking forward to my next time to Russia and thinking about what I will find cause from your reports it seems the golden times are gone...
So what I am asking to you is: if you could what you changed of this travel and how do you rate it ?
Too bad there are almost no reports from a place, provincial Russia, that is one of the most interesting from a monger's point of view, even if, I know it well, not an easy one where to be successfull....
Bez Bezarra
11-06-10, 04:57
I have the feeling that even motherland changed and a lot. Am I wrong? Cause I hope so.
My last time was in 2008 and obviously I am missing Russia a lot and honestly even the Russian girls I got in the German FKK do not seem to help my homesick, they only help me to improve my knowledge of Russian language, that's not bad either, but not enough too.
I will busy until about the end of 2011 now and to have a lot of work it is not bad in this economical crisi, but I am already looking forward to my next time to Russia and thinking about what I will find cause from your reports it seems the golden times are gone.
So what I am asking to you is: if you could what you changed of this travel and how do you rate it?
Too bad there are almost no reports from a place, provincial Russia, that is one of the most interesting from a monger's point of view, even if, I know it well, not an easy one where to be successfull.Don't take this as an attack, because its probably not. But you sound really out of touch, either its just a goof, or you just arrived in a time machine.
Even the motherland has changed? Uh., you think? What HASN'T changed? The world is spinning, man. Did you step off? If you keep looking back, you're going to miss what's next! Change is coming, and faster than before. So you adapt, right? You better! Or you become extinct.
Because from my reports, the golden times are gone? What member has NOT said since around 2003, that the golden times weren't already gone back then?
Really, amigo. Probably your entire post was just a big goof on me, but, why why would you be looking forward to the end of golden times, and say I'm posting about it, when I that basically everything is still the same. Is this Luk, or Bizzarro World Luk?
Now wait, at the end, you said that the provinces are not easy to be successful. Was that a joke too? Because if it wasn't, then you just answered your question. Because that's the point really, isn't it? Isn't the challenge what really MAKES it the most interesting place? Yes, that's exactly right.
The perfect example. Just before my first dive-surf-monger-cigar-a-thon trip to DR, I found Jackson and discovered ISG, read all the posts about Boca Chica, and went there in '96. And it was EXACTLY as I read, right down to the Pina Coladas at that pool at that hotel, even some of the girls, exact same ones I read in the posts. You know, different, sure, but those girls, just not very interesting. Not to me anyway.
Compare that, to, just for example, someplace like Orel, or Michurinsk, or Krasnodar, or Penza, or Voronezh.
So what I'm asking any of you, is. Do YOU have the commitment, to pick one place, and just go back there, for FIVE YEARS IN A ROW? Nah, didn't think so. No, that's not a knock on you really. We all have different tastes. You guys want to guy to 5 different places, and I don't. Its as simple as that. You think, moy chet has enough contacts now, after 5 years, to keep me pretty busy?
Ok, ok. You asked me, what I would change, and how would I rate it? The only thing I might change is October, it was only about 2 or 3 see for three weeks. And time, I would change time, so I don't have to go back to work, EVER! Well, maybe that's too far. But 3 weeks, not nearly enough! And I would take more photos, but I always am so lazy for the first 10 days, concentrating on the devs.
How I would rate it? This is the first year after several that I've been healthy, even knocked off 30 pounds before I went.
What a difference!
Stravinsky
11-06-10, 06:38
Dutch,
Here's the link to the Sextalk forum for Ekaterinburg. It's in Russian, but if you focus on the photos/phone numbers/prices you should be able to connect with some worthwhile providers.
http://sextalk.ru/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=clsr_ekat
Also, there is a 911 club in Ekaterinburg, which is probably your best bet.
If you will visit Ekaterinburg this time of year, best advice I can give you is to dress warmly. Summer there runs from the end of May to beginning of September, when winter begins.
Member #4369
11-06-10, 16:09
Hi Guys,
http://www.ekaterinburgnu.com/
I used this successfully last week. I have no Russian language, but I communicated via SMS from my computer (Nokia connected via bluetooth). I translated my message and the replies via google translator--50% of the girls I smsed replied.
There used to be an excellent ex-pat type bar in the center across from Park Inn hotel, but it was closed.
Good luck!
Hi Guys,
http://www.ekaterinburgnu.com/
I used this successfully last week. I have no Russian language, but I communicated via SMS from my computer (Nokia connected via bluetooth). I translated my message and the replies via google translator--50% of the girls I smsed replied.
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Good luck!
How about a report? 50% replies ... leading to what?
Another lead might be www.mamba.ru
Go to Russia, Sverdlovskaya, Ekaterinburg.
As of 5 minutes ago, the number of female profiles mentioning "sex" was
up to age 19 - 222, ages 20 through to 29 - 3971, ages 30 through to 39 - 428, ages 40 through to 49 - 151, ages 50 through to 59 - 21, and (the final category I looked at) ages 60 through to 69 - 4.
From the look of the photos the candy comes in all shapes and sizes.
Please let me know if anyone wants information on the catergories "70 through to 79", and beyond! (WTF!!)
Enjoy and report.
P13
I moved here from photo gallery thread, I do not want to go OT.
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As for your advice to me, I'm sorry to remind you, that some of us, don't EVER set the calendars in our cameras. Never have, never will, just don't give two shits about it, especially when it keeps you all thinking that you actually know when i took a foto!! Ok, that sounds ridiculous, but, again, I'm just sorry, that its also true. What ever date is on any foto I post, that you have to look up by clicking on something, is no date that I ever set on any camera...
Do not worry that's the least ridicolous thing about what you wrote in your posts......
For example:
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Now can you please answer the following, info I requested from you almost a year ago, but you never answered?
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The one who never gave one single useful info is the same one who asks infos to somebody else ?
You are useless here as you never gave one SINGLE usefull info and you want the others to give infos to you ?
Why ? Because you only want infos from everybody but you never contributed to this forum with one single info !
Why somebody should give you infos ?
Ah yes....to see granny pics taken years ago...that's another ridicolous thing, but I can easily believe that at your age that's all you can do, to watch to pictures....
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How I would rate it? This is the first year after several that I've been healthy...
Are you sure to be healthy ? You know some diseases are difficult to be healed, not that I do not care a lot about your health .... it is that I just hope you will not spread in the FSU your diseases....diseases that as you wrote need several years to be, maybe, healed.... ( use condom please next time, thanks :D )
Ok we all very well know, you indeed do not have to....but if you can...get healthy soon poor old [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Pissarra....
Member #4369
11-10-10, 18:57
So, I got busy after work firing off translated SMSs to girls on this site. By the time I got to #6, replies were coming back in, and I translated them in Google. Then, the one below answered and said she spoke English, so I went with her and dropped the others. Very nice girl, but has put on some weight since the photo. Overall, 8 out of 10 for service.
http://www.ekaterinburgnu.com/link.php?link=414&fotourl=6210
How about a report? 50% replies ... leading to what?
Another lead might be www.mamba.ru
Go to Russia, Sverdlovskaya, Ekaterinburg.
As of 5 minutes ago, the number of female profiles mentioning "sex" was
up to age 19 - 222, ages 20 through to 29 - 3971, ages 30 through to 39 - 428, ages 40 through to 49 - 151, ages 50 through to 59 - 21, and (the final category I looked at) ages 60 through to 69 - 4.
From the look of the photos the candy comes in all shapes and sizes.
Please let me know if anyone wants information on the catergories "70 through to 79", and beyond! (WTF!!)
Enjoy and report.
P13
RoPickle,
Nice work, even with a bit of weight on her, she would still look good. How did the silicon feel...or are they natural?
In the photo gallery, the following question was asked - how to rate these cities. Well, I haven't been to all of them but Volgograd and Kazan are fun, with good success at both. Novosibirsk was fair to good, I didn't see any action at Ufa or Chelyabinsk but of the two I'd say Chelyabinsk had more promise.
I'd add Khabarovsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk and Smolensk to a list of must-monger provincial destinations.
1. Dnipropretrovs'k v. Donets'k?
2. Rostov-na-Don v. Volgograd?
3. Voronezh v. Saratov
4. Samara v. Kazan
5. Ufa v. Chelyabins'k
6. Novosibirsk v. Yekaterinberg
Cheers,
Bez Bezarra
11-12-10, 13:40
Bez, the poor old [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) Pissarra!
You are useless here!!
You NEVER gave one SINGLE usefull info!!
You only want infos from everybody but you never contributed to this forum with one single info!
Why somebody should give you infos?
All your photos are of grandmothers taken years ago and they are ridicolous, but you are so old, that's all you can do.
I do not care about your health.
You spread your venereal diseases in the FSU because you don't use condoms.
We all very well know, you indeed do not have to get healthy, poor old [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).
*(this quote was slightly edited for content, to clarify the intent of the author, whose first language is not english)To the membership:
Please congratulate Lukaksek on his contributions, they epitomize the spirit of brotherhood of mongers on ISG.
Even Kurenda, the oligarch of info, has fallen under the control of Lukasek, after I corrected his error about my never setting the calendars on my cameras.
For the sake of the board, I repeated my inquiry to Kurenda, about comparisons of oblast capitals, to encourage members to venture off the beaten path, for real adventures, but as usual, I was attacked for this, by the authority of the forum, Moderator Administrator Lukasek.
Warning to all members: do not contradict Lukasek, or you will be attacked with full impunity, in the same fashion that he spews his hate for me.
Here's another ridiculous grandmother taken years ago, because I'm so old and diseased, that's all I can do:
PeterTheGreat
11-24-10, 06:02
Gentlemen,
Any info on this city. Haven't been able to find much.
Anybody been to Omsk?
Any recommendations there?
And it looks extremely cold.
TIA
Hi Guys,
http://www.ekaterinburgnu.com/
I used this successfully last week. I have no Russian language, but I communicated via SMS from my computer (Nokia connected via bluetooth). I translated my message and the replies via google translator-50% of the girls I smsed replied.
There used to be an excellent ex-pat type bar in the center across from Park Inn hotel, but it was closed.
Good luck! Interesting website and found some good looking girls.
Only thing is that is see some with the smae phone number, ok there can be someone inbetween customer and girl, thats fine.
But look at these two girls:
http://www.ekaterinburgnu.com/link.php?link=431
http://www.ekaterinburgnu.com/link.php?link=651
Very nice looking, but I think it is the same girl. There is this little spot on her chest, under left breast. Are my eyes seeing things or do you also see this spot on both girls. Cannot be a coincidence.
Vyborg and other historical Finnish cities are popular destination for Finns and also for Russian upper class. There are plenty of opportunities to get laid ranging from hotel WGs to some organized brothels.
In Vyborg your easiest pick is to ask barmen or drivers for help. They usually get their commission so be aware. Chatting up regular girls is also relatively easy and many of them like some sponsoring. It isn't uncommon in Russia to see 18yo girl with 60yo guy. At least it seems the girls don't feel shame walking with 60yo monger in public. Thats kinda different compared to WE.
If you crossing the border to Finland you'll see lots of SWs near petrol stations on Russian side. They cost anywhere between 10€ to 50€ and quality varies as much.
As we are in Russia, one should be very careful with taxis and especially illegal taxis. Karelia isn't safer than rest of Russia even though the cities are quite small. Basic rules are the same everywhere: Never carry lots of money on you after dark, never enter a car with more than one person inside, etc.
Russia has some incredible charm when it comes to mugging foreigners. First you'll always get a good fuck, and you only get mugged after, never before.
Does anyone have any experience with the mongering life in Yuzhno Sakhalinsk? I realize that it's a tiny place (200k people) loaded with expats but I am planning a business trip in the new year and am curious to know if anyone has any info.
Thanks,
Jake
The city of Yuzhno Sakhalinsk you can visit freely.
But to venture outside of the city going around the island you will need to obtain a permit from FSB office.
The local office is supposed to give you one but in most cases they will telly to visit their office in Moscow.
The island is patroled by armed volunteer groups called &1076; &1088; &1091; &1078; &1080; &1085; &1072; . They have official permit to shoot any person (especially foreigner) they found suspicious but in most cases they will shake you down for everything you have.
Loaded with expats? Not that much, maybe ten years ago. Now you have small number of Japanese and Americans who make short time stops there.
I am going to Krasnodar in a couple of months (March -April), any recommendation about devushkas, pro's or semi pros preferentially blondishkas would be welcome, they tell told me this a good town to find blonde pussy it is that true? Any recommendations or observations regarding this town? I speak some Russian enough to negotiate with girls and make my way around on my own even though I am not fluent so any recommendation is welcome, thanks.
Ok, I'll go and I'll tell you. If nobody kill me during my stay!
LOL!
BTW I'm an Italian HD proud owner, of course.
I hate French man, but our common passion for bikes and babies could help us!
Thanks to allA couple of years ago (2008) I was in a plane on my route from Moscow to Penza and I was quite surprised to see an Italian guy in the very same flight that I was, now I am surprised to read the forums that another Italian is going to Krasnodar almost the same as I, because I am also a Latin guy (Mexican) that is why I find that to be quite funny.
Bez Bezarra
01-22-11, 15:58
I am going to Krasnodar in March, is this a good town to find blonde pussy?
I speak Russian enough to negotiate with girls and make my way around on my own. Too bad you're not going in May, when the coats come off and the skirts blow around in the wind.
With the Caucuses just over the horizon, and then Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Turkey, and then just slightly farther to Iran / Iraq, that would not imply the ethnic mix would favor blonds, but with 150 years of government-forced resettlement, there's always some blood that's out of place.
Good luck negotiating and getting around, keep a low profile. Take a lot of photos. Go to the circus. Drink some borshch. Get a two scoop ice cream waffle cone on Krasnaya street.
But of course, Kurenda's always the man with the best real inside info.
What's your business there, if you don't mind?
You flying in direct from Frankfurt?
Hotel or apartment?
Your a lucky fucker!
I am very interresting in a good website with real pictures, in SPB.
Does somebody could givemean advise, I found very nice ladies in.
http://www.rusprostitute.com/
, but I am quite sure that the picture are false, or to much photoshop.
If you have a nice adress near Newsky for Salon, it would be appreciate also!
Tx guys!
Too bad you're not going in May, when the coats come off and the skirts blow around in the wind.
With the Caucuses just over the horizon, and then Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Turkey, and then just slightly farther to Iran / Iraq, that would not imply the ethnic mix would favor blonds, but with 150 years of government-forced resettlement, there's always some blood that's out of place.
Good luck negotiating and getting around, keep a low profile. Take a lot of photos. Go to the circus. Drink some borshch. Get a two scoop ice cream waffle cone on Krasnaya street.
But of course, Kurenda's always the man with the best real inside info.
What's your business there, if you don't mind?
You flying in direct from Frankfurt?
Hotel or apartment?
Your a lucky fucker! Hi Bez thanks for the tips perhaps it should be more wise to wait to go in May / June in order to see some skirts / panties and bare asses blowing around in the wind.
I am not as good as you in taking pictures but I will do my best in taking photos of lovely Soviet sponsorettas
My business there is to visit some friends of course I want to not waste my stay there and sample some local girls.
I think I will stay in a hotel the first 3 days (visa registration) and later if possible move to an apartment.
I am not as luck as you are with all those lovely young Devushkas you sample and photograph hehehe.
Cheers
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