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Jojosun
11-14-10, 14:10
I couldn't believe the Audacity of Joe 47, when I got the following PM from him this morning.


First I have nothing against you.

I am from Canada and go to Kiev. It is a long trip.

I want to have good time in Kiev. If you want your friend to contact me(or I can contact her), I will be at Hyatt Hotel.

The money is not the Issue, but the pleasure.

Thanks a lot for your help. Joe 47My Answer to Joe 47 via PM.


I think you have a problem understanding what I posted, or posting.

Listen Mate. I am not a pimp (understand this). I take exception to what you are saying.

My girl in Kiev is for me only.

I don't give A FUCK about your money.

I don't have a thing against you either. I have a lot against the Fucking CRAP you are Asking.

Don't bother to pm me again.Can you imagine this? / This is someone, who out of the blue, contacts me first via pm. Altough I replied to him& posted here to clarify things, Flash Harry repeats the same insulting request.

After all the replies I posted here in answer to Joe 47, Mr 14 Questions & one Feedback in over 5& half years of him being a member here, he comes back again to invade my privacy, asking me to be his pimp.

If I wasn't so Polite& not sure wether it will be posted, I would have given him another answer.

A very good job he is not standing in Front of me now.

Jojosun
11-14-10, 16:31
My trip got delayed till the 25th of Nov. And you can be rest assured that you will be getting feedback along with the pictures to back it up.

I have gotten in touch with a tour company and they have arranged hassles free entry into Shooters, Avalon and Arena along with a female guide. I will know more about the service once I am on the ground.

As for the woman - I do not if I enough time to meet up with all of them. I have 15 short-time (1 hour) girls lined up along with possible 8 freebies and then ofcourse we have the clubs at night.

Detailed report will follow once I am in Kiev on the 25th.Hi Asian Chaos.

I am sure you are much more orgaized than the Second part of your User name implies.

Of Course, you are not expected nor obliged to Post any feedback on your return from Kiev.

But, what prompted me to reply to you here in the first place, was the amount of useful feedback & reports that you contributed to this Board before you asked questions in the Kiev forum.

Unlike others. Who are either Terminally Dim, or lacking in Manners.

Most probably Both.

Prosal
11-14-10, 19:43
Hi Asian Chaos.

I am sure you are much more orgaized than the Second part of your User name implies.

Of Course, you are not expected nor obliged to Post any feedback on your return from Kiev.

But, what prompted me to reply to you here in the first place, was the amount of useful feedback & reports that you contributed to this Board before you asked questions in the Kiev forum.

Unlike others. Who are either Terminally Dim, or lacking in Manners.

Most probably Both.You obviously attempting humour. Asian Chaos has spammed the Uzbek threads for months, but never went there. It's a specie more and more frequent on ISG unfortunatly.

Jojosun
11-15-10, 14:03
You obviously attempting humour. Asian Chaos has spammed the Uzbek threads for months, but never went there. It's a specie more and more frequent on ISG unfortunatly.I don't know what to think Anymore?

I just can't seem to be able now to Access Asian Chaos previous posts here on ISG.

Although I notice in the Tashkent forum that there was no Feedback on a trip that he said he was going to post on.

The answer is with Asian Chaos.

I always reply to first timers here in GOOD FAITH.

AsianChaos
11-15-10, 16:34
You obviously attempting humour. Asian Chaos has spammed the Uzbek threads for months, but never went there. It's a specie more and more frequent on ISG unfortunatly.


I was there in Tashkent - but did go only once to Diplomat Night Club and it was pathetic.

I used my time with 2 non-pros that I had contacted on Mamba. That you can understand was not to be shared with everybody. :)

Bimbo Boy
11-15-10, 21:29
I've stayed at the Opera a few times, I've seen guys walking through reception with blatent hookers (athough I grant you, in Kiev it is sometimes hard to tell, but not at 3am ;) )
I would say fairly confidently that the Opera is GF.Opera is girl friendly, OK, but you get the looks and must endure the walk of shame.
This is what I did with this 18 yo chick. I post her pictures here, and you can judge by yourself the difference between dream (the website photo) and reality (the actual girl that comes).
Regards. B.B.

Bimbo Boy
11-15-10, 21:53
...
Asian Chaoes, did ask for suggestions& ideas to guarantee entry to high class clubs, guides etc. What I posted in reply to his questions, were suggestions only, including the Guides, and the VIP fast track clearance at the airport.
...
Cheerio
Hello Jojosun,
I am interested, is there a way to get fast passport clearance at Kiev airport ? I hate standing in those lines ....
Regards.
B.B.

Jojosun
11-15-10, 22:28
Hello Jojosun,

I am interested, is there a way to get fast passport clearance at Kiev airport ? I hate standing in those lines.

Regards.

B.B.Hi Humble Boy.

Here you go. Kiev apartments & other because offer this service

This is apart from the ones posted in reply to Asian chaos.

Look under consierge service.

Jojosun
11-15-10, 22:36
I was there in Tashkent. But did go only once to Diplomat Night Club and it was pathetic.

I used my time with 2 non-pros that I had contacted on Mamba. That you can understand was not to be shared with everybody.Hi Asian Chaos.

You see, you could have posted this in the Tashkent forum months ago.

Like I said no one is obliged to post, but it does help in setting up a track record on ISG.

If you did the above, no one can accuse then of doing a Runner, or being a Virtual Monger to Tashkent..

But, I suppose each to their own.

AsianChaos
11-16-10, 07:24
Opera is girl friendly, OK, but you get the looks and must endure the walk of shame.
This is what I did with this 18 yo chick. I post her pictures here, and you can judge by yourself the difference between dream (the website photo) and reality (the actual girl that comes).
Regards. B.B.


How would you rate her though in real life?
Looks?
Service?
options?
etc?

AsianChaos
11-16-10, 07:29
hello jojosun,
i am interested, is there a way to get fast passport clearance at kiev airport ? i hate standing in those lines ....
regards.
b.b.


i have booked fast track at kiev airport for arrival at us$340.

that is the rate i got in the internet.

google "speedpass visa platinum"

you will be able to book it through them. i have used their service a number of times for europe and asian destinations and they are very professional.

It Travel
11-16-10, 09:12
i have booked fast track at kiev airport for arrival at us$340.

that is the rate i got in the internet.

google "speedpass visa platinum"

you will be able to book it through them. i have used their service a number of times for europe and asian destinations and they are very professional.


frankly speaking been a lot of times in kiev, in the visa time and not in the visa time (for eu citizens)... even got in/out on normal borders (car and train), frankly speaking the longest wait was 15-20 minutes... (a part the train approx 40-50 min but there there is nothing to do), also car, if you are not in a long queue with some strange person in the middle might be very fast.

i really prefer to put those 340 usd a a blonde tiny teen in my bed! :d

the only ee and fsu airports where the service might be of some use is moscow, when you get 747's full loaded of people from asia, generally china or japan it might take 1-2 hours, but it's really a random condition.

it

It Travel
11-16-10, 09:19
After reading so many reports about the incredulity of HunterDaves’s reports, I felt compelled to point out the obvious so each one of us can decide for ourselves whether his reports are truthful or it’s been generously embellished.

All in all, I find the reports’ description about HunterDave’s sexual episodes with the girls very dubious at best because Sorbonne has a good point…… I knew, in high school, a close friend of mine, at age of 17, at an age of raging hormones, he was very horny every day and weren’t we all at that age; I remember this one time, he told me he popped 3 times one day, 3 times again the next day, and on the third day he popped again three times but on the third time on the third day his balls was so empty that it came out only a drop or two. That’s at the age of 17, and according to HunterDave’s report, he had grey hair so he’s got to be in his 40’s, maybe 45 or older. Is it possible that someone at his mid age can pop 5 times within 24 hours on DAY 6 without running empty after 5 days of popping at least on average 4 times a day?? And he popped 5 more times on DAY 7? Can anyone of us (on Viagra) at that age or younger even come close to that?? From reading his reports(Hunter Dave’s September trip), he popped on DAY 1: 6 pops, DAY 2: 5 pops, DAY 3: 5 pops, DAY 4: 4 to 5 pops, DAY 5: 3 to 4 pops, DAY 6: 5 pops, DAY 7: 5 pops.; so on average he popped at least 4 times a day. If anyone finds his stories credible, he probably should try to pop as many pops as HunterDave did during the 7 days just to see if it’s possible at all?


Frankly no idea...

When I'm on a work (just one or two hour meeting a day) in the EE/FSU, my pop rate is quite similar (but I take Cialis too! and Im' far older than 17...)

Probably the difference is that I'm not jumping to a girl from another, usually I keep them for two, three days let's say 10-15 pops...

Many thought that my pics where fake but they aren't as IrishLad clearly siad (he met the girl), and the Mystery Tramp are real of course, last time I popped her five times, but of course her facial was really poor in quantity of cum! a real pity! :D

IT

Jojosun
11-16-10, 13:42
Hi Humble Boy.

Here you go. Kiev apartments & others offer this service

This is apart from the ones posted in reply to Asian chaos.

Look under consierge service.Should be between US$160 to US$190.

I think it does include the car transfer to your destination as well.

I don't know whether Asian Chaos paid for the return journey or not?

US$ 340 one way with fast track seems expensive though.

Jojosun
11-16-10, 13:46
i have booked fast track at kiev airport for arrival at us$340.

that is the rate i got in the internet.

google "speedpass visa platinum"

you will be able to book it through them. i have used their service a number of times for europe and asian destinations and they are very professional.in the links that i posted for you ,i think they were quoting us$190.

i notice with kiev apts they are quoting us$160.

is us$ 340 that you booked one way or return?

It Travel
11-16-10, 16:10
Frankly no idea... as told the logistics seems too perfect not even the Soviet Army coould do it better...

I always live close to the Rinok usually on Baseina so I have all in 100 meters from my home (except River Palace but it's dead now so...)

When I'm on a work (just one or two hour meeting a day) in the EE/FSU, my pop rate is quite similar 4/6 a day, may be 7 the first day and 3 after a week... (but I take Cialis too! and I’m far older than 17...)

Probably the difference is that I'm not jumping to a girl from another, usually I keep them for two, three days let's say 10-15 pops...

Many thought that my pics where fake but they aren't as IrishLad clearly said (he met the girl), and the Mystery Tramp are real of course, last time I popped her five times, but of course her facial was really poor in quantity of cum! a real pity! :D

Of course I have no idea if these reports are true or not (nor I'm interested so much, they seem a little bit exaggerated, the logistics is by far, too good)

When I find my favorite girl (in Moscow not in Kiev, even if I find Nastia in Kiev it's the same) my popping scheme is usually the same... (I treat them as human beings not as who**res)...

May be so you can understand 6 pops are not exceptional. Of course that I expose is the ideal situation I usually get only with Valentina in Moscow and Nastia in Kiev

1) Some nice coffee or tea in the lobby (5-6 p.m.) and my mandatory Cialis: upstairs and shower (mostly together) some nice relaxed fucking (cow girl so you wont get tired), cuddling etc...

2) Some light dinner in or close to hotel (usually sushi or a beef, light alcohol, max two beers)... up in the room approx 9 p.m. nice anal session usually with facial!

3) Relaxing, showering cuddling, (I always have fruit, candies, soft drinks and beers).

4) 11 p.m. time to go to sleep and take the last fu**ck usually anal again! A couple of beers and I sleep like a baby with my young nice girl in the bed.

5) 6 a.m. or so usually I wake up. I know the girls are not happy, but… I pay them so… and usually drill them really hardly, very horny in the morning (due to Cialis too). My morning favourite is always anal or a BBBJ + CIM..

6) 7 a.m. showering relaxing with a tea or a coffee and some cakes or fruit… 7.30 or so is time for more work (and I leave the girl work :D)

7) 10 a.m breakfast in the hotel or outside chit chatting is getting 50% of your GFE..

8) usually before 11 a.m. I’m back in my room/apt. at this time the cum is obviously some drops, but due to the Cialis effect I can usually drill 25-35 minutes (with pauses of course) My absolute favourite (that makes me horny too) is a fully clothed missionary anal with the girl bound in some way or just the wrist held and the legs over my shoulders… pop number six and relaxing over her… Then I send her home and make a time for a next meeting usually in the lobby at 5 p.m. And spend the day relaxing…

Last time… Nastya + Katya it was from approx 4 p.m. on Friday meeting with Nastya for a drink to 8 a.m. on Monday (looking the photo files) and surely 15 shots.. some really nice in Katya’s mouth due her wonderful use of a ball piercing on the tongue :p :p some pictures enclosed…

Nastya at Arena, Katya and Nastya at Pervak, both a little bit drunk… and some more the best of all was the lesbochic dinner in the Jacuzzi… very very wet (not from the water) :D


Just my two cents

IT

PS Arena, Pervak, Rinok, Apoteka, goos Sushi, fruit market etc... (with Cialis and condoms), my favourite coffe shop (with Illy Caffè) all is within 200 meters and lndependence square is 20 min slow walk, metro at Palas Sportu 5 minutes... and the underground market entrance is just 25 meters from my door... look at the balcony photo! That's correct logistics... no time waste... only relaxing and fuc*king!

It Travel
11-16-10, 16:29
In the links that i posted for you ,i think they were quoting US$190.

I notice with Kiev Apts they are quoting US$160.

Is US$ 340 that you booked one way or return?

http://ukraine-travel.kiev.ua/services/vip-services/

130 € each way...

I must say it's the agency I use for car renting, mobile renting, house renting, food shopping, cleaning etc etc. (can manage girls my self but I suppose they can do it also). Very Effective. Expecially the wife of the owner Ludmilla.

;)

IT

PS you might have seen this apartment in many of my photos in UA

http://apartments.com.ua/offer-i-apartmentID-i-2140.html

;)

JohnnyBcgn
11-16-10, 17:29
I was in Kiev last week and I met a girl, who I found on Mamba.ru.

We agreed on a 4h meeting for 1.000 UAH.

She was pretty much on time and we had a great time. Unfortunately she speaks English very good, however we did not meet for talking. ;-) Before we occupied the bed, we took a bath and began to kiss and she already sucked my dick.

After taking the bath we moved to the bed to have some more action and it was GF like. During the next 4 hours we had a lot of fun and I will ask her for another meeting, when I will be in Kiev next time.

Some pics of her are attached to the photo gallery.

Best,

Johnnybcgn

Insomniaque
11-16-10, 18:45
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Frankly speaking been a lot of times in Kiev, in the Visa time and not in the Visa time (for EU citizens). Even got in/out on normal borders (car and train), frankly speaking the longest wait was 15-20 minutes.You lucky boy. Last time I was in Borispol (September) it took me 50 minutes to have my passport cleared. A long way to go. That being said, prices quoted here for a fast track are a nice rip off.

Other than that, thanks Jojo and Ismael for your advice on restaurants and clubs. Will let you know which one(s) I have tried.

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Ivanvlad
11-16-10, 20:02
When I go out in Kiev I don’t take my passport but only a copy.

The other day I read this funny article: Kyiv police try to detain Yanukovych's foreign guests.

The police officers have stopped the foreign citizens for identification.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/88228/#ixzz15TK95WmH

What do veterans think about this? We must always have the passport with us?

Regards

Bimbo Boy
11-16-10, 22:36
How would you rate her though in real life?

Looks?

Service?

Options?

Etc?She is a nice young girl. She behaved well and was fun to be with. All agreed services were performed well, including BBBJ. I do not remember if we did anal, but probably not.

I liked the fact that she was young (just 18 yo). She did not have a lot of technique, but well. She was young.

Physically she was a little too chubby for my taste, but not too much (see the photo where she is standing).

I do not remember the price, but it was at the lower end of the Mamba rates. Probably 800 grivna.

I could repeat with her, because she was just such a nice girl, GFE like.

Regards.

B. B.

Irish Lad
11-17-10, 00:50
Hello, Jojosun,

I am interested, is there a way to get fast passport clearance at Kiev airport? I hate standing in those lines.

Regards.

B. B.I used to use 2 guys in the airport for $50 which only incuded a fast clearance on the passports. Most of the other services include collection off plane and fast extraction of your luggage.

I'll have a search for their contact numbers and revert.

AsianChaos
11-17-10, 07:18
[QUOTE=

I could repeat with her, because she was just such a nice girl, GFE like.

Regards.

B. B.[/QUOTE]


The reason I asked is the contacted me and offered a duo with her girlfriend for $200. She has email me her picture of the face. Yes she is slighty chiubby but just wanted to confirm if she makes it up in the attitude and service. So your recommendation would be to hit it :)

Firewalkwithme
11-17-10, 07:53
Frankly no idea... as told the logistics seems too perfect not even the Soviet Army coould do it better...

I always live close to the Rinok usually on Baseina so I have all in 100 meters from my home (except River Palace but it's dead now so...)Funny. I don't know these girls but I know the apartment. Sat on the same couch. It a very nice one. Good choice.

It Travel
11-17-10, 09:28
When I go out in Kiev I don’t take my passport but only a copy.

The other day I read this funny article: Kyiv police try to detain Yanukovych's foreign guests.

The police officers have stopped the foreign citizens for identification.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/88228/#ixzz15TK95WmH

What do veterans think about this? We must always have the passport with us?

Regards


Both in UA and RUS you should have always your passport but...

If you have a photocopy (also of the Visa page!) and a valid national ID usually police says nothing. Even better if you have also a Hotel card and tell them that the passport is there...

IT

PS in any case mind that it's illegal so if they want they can fine you, the thing is harder in Russian than in Ukraine and simpler in big cities. In a lot of years I have never been stopped by UA police (apart when driving car).

It Travel
11-17-10, 09:31
I used to use 2 guys in the airport for $50 which only incuded a fast clearance on the passports. Most of the other services include collection off plane and fast extraction of your luggage.

I'll have a search for their contact numbers and revert.

Put me on the list of their tel no.. Please...

IT

I'll call you for a beer when I'm there... ;)

JohnnyBcgn
11-17-10, 15:23
Hey It Travel,

You asked me for the link. Here is her link on Mamba.ru.

http://old.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=357870868

Jojosun
11-17-10, 16:53
Should be between US$160 to US$190.

I think it does include the car transfer to your destination as well.

I don't know whether Asian Chaos paid for the return journey or not?

US$ 340 one way with fast track seems expensive though.Had a look at Kiev Apartments, and it seems that it does include the Transfer to your Kiev destination as well.

Clearance of passport & customs and out of the Airport in 15 minutes.

You are met at the Plane & taken to VIP area, where your luggage is brought.

Never used them before, and unlikely to use them soon.

I only take hand luggage on a 3 or 4 nights in Kiev.

There is a similar service going in other international airports as well, including Bangkok.

Here is more on what you get for US $160, at Kiev airport.

http://www.Kievapartmentrent.com/services.html#1

Jojosun
11-17-10, 22:47
Hey It Travel,

You asked me for the link. Here is her link on Mamba.ru.

http://old.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=357870868Now we will see if IT Travel will be able to get through to her.

The girl will be swamped by pms.

It Travel
11-17-10, 23:11
Hey It Travel,

You asked me for the link. Here is her link on Mamba.ru.

http://old.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=357870868Thanks.

See if she is avaliable.

IT

Bimbo Boy
11-17-10, 23:55
I used to use 2 guys in the airport for $50 which only incuded a fast clearance on the passports. Most of the other services include collection off plane and fast extraction of your luggage.

I'll have a search for their contact numbers and revert.That would be splendid! I'll buy you a drink and a fine dinner!

Regards,

B.B.

Tps Man
11-19-10, 03:18
If you fly UIA or one of the other local airlines, you should get to the new terminal, which has a much faster clearance rate. I've also heard that for 100UAH you can use the Crew Only queue in the normal terminal (not tried myself though).

Rudigumble
11-19-10, 04:31
Hello,

Next week I will visit Kiev. I heard that some in some saunas/banjas nice girls are offering their "service". Can anyone help me here. Tried Mamba but a lot of girls does not understand english. Therefore any hints are welcome.

Thanks,

Rudi

Uke Boy
11-19-10, 14:01
Next week I will visit Kiev. I heard that some in some saunas/banjas nice girls are offering their "service". Can anyone help me here. Tried Mamba but a lot of girls does not understand english. Therefore any hints are welcome.
My hint, learn Russian or Ukrainian.

If you struck out with the girls on Mamba not knowing English, you will have the same experience, or even worse, with the banyas. These are local places owned and operated by locals who know even less English than any Mamba girl.

Some banya managers do have "special" phone numbers and here, too, the chances are any girls who arrive will have no knowledge of English. Do you see a pattern?

Mellowtrax
11-19-10, 16:24
Had a look at Kiev Apartments, and it seems that it does include the Transfer to your Kiev destination as well.

Clearance of passport & customs and out of the Airport in 15 minutes.

...

Here is more on what you get for US $160, at Kiev airport.

http://www.Kievapartmentrent.com/services.html#1

Paying 160 $ (almost 1,300 UAH) for this “service” is simply stupid. Has anyone here ever waited 2 hours in the passport control lines, as they write on the website? If yes, you must have been very unlucky.

I’ve been to Kiev 6 times this year (arrived in the day, afternoon as well as evening) and I have never used more than 40 minutes from the time the airplane landed on the ground till the time I was out of the airport. The longest I have ever waited in the passport control line was about 15 minutes (on my last trip 1 week ago).
*
Most apartment agencies offer transfer from the airport to Kiev. The price is usually 35 $, but if you book transfer from as well as to the airport (when you are going home), they usually give a discount of 5 $ each way. So price for transfer will be 240 UAH.
*
So… is it worth paying around extra 1,060 UAH for using 25 more minutes to get out of the airport? No way! Even if you have to use 1 hour in the airport I would still be more than willing to wait the extra 45 minutes and save over 1,000 UAH, which I then can spend on the right thing: The girls.

It Travel
11-19-10, 16:50
My hint, learn Russian or Ukrainian.

If you struck out with the girls on Mamba not knowing English, you will have the same experience, or even worse, with the banyas. These are local places owned and operated by locals who know even less English than any Mamba girl.

Some banya managers do have "special" phone numbers and here, too, the chances are any girls who arrive will have no knowledge of English. Do you see a pattern?


I simply think that our friend imagine that banjas are like FKK in Germany.

A Banja is, in the Russian speaking world, first of all is a sauna... where males (not GAYS) meet for fun, business (much), eating, drinking and making a steam bath... Young nice girls are just a part of the menu... if you are a new comer I suggest other options ;)

IT

PS They use the CCCP image... but there it was different, you could avoid all controls possible and get out of the SVO airport in 5 minutes. Just if you were a guest of the Governement! otherwise.... NO WAY.

It Travel
11-19-10, 16:55
Paying 160 $ (almost 1,300 UAH) for this “service” is simply stupid. Has anyone here ever waited 2 hours in the passport control lines, as they write on the website? If yes, you must have been very unlucky.

I’ve been to Kiev 6 times this year (arrived in the day, afternoon as well as evening) and I have never used more than 40 minutes from the time the airplane landed on the ground till the time I was out of the airport. The longest I have ever waited in the passport control line was about 15 minutes (on my last trip 1 week ago).
*
Most apartment agencies offer transfer from the airport to Kiev. The price is usually 35 $, but if you book transfer from as well as to the airport (when you are going home), they usually give a discount of 5 $ each way. So price for transfer will be 240 UAH.
*
So… is it worth paying around extra 1,060 UAH for using 25 more minutes to get out of the airport? No way! Even if you have to use 1 hour in the airport I would still be more than willing to wait the extra 45 minutes and save over 1,000 UAH, which I then can spend on the right thing: The girls.

As I said before... I never stayed in queue at passport for more than 20 min...

I was making even some customs procedures and it took me almost 1 hour from the scheduled landing time and beeing in the car to way home.

It's not Heatrow, or whaterver for 2.000 UAH (the two ways)... getting in fast is also a thing, but I do not use it on ground of my Gold/Black flight cards... so I can get there just in time... as saying for 2000 UAH you get a nice three holed (:D :p :p) blondinka in your bed for the night!!!

IT

AColonizer
11-19-10, 19:31
IT Travel, where are further porn pictures about Alessia?

Jojosun
11-19-10, 20:28
Paying 160 $ (almost 1,300 UAH) for this “service” is simply stupid. Has anyone here ever waited 2 hours in the passport control lines, as they write on the website? If yes, you must have been very unlucky.

I’ve been to Kiev 6 times this year (arrived in the day, afternoon as well as evening) and I have never used more than 40 minutes from the time the airplane landed on the ground till the time I was out of the airport. The longest I have ever waited in the passport control line was about 15 minutes (on my last trip 1 week ago).
*
Most apartment agencies offer transfer from the airport to Kiev. The price is usually 35 $, but if you book transfer from as well as to the airport (when you are going home), they usually give a discount of 5 $ each way. So price for transfer will be 240 UAH.
*
So… is it worth paying around extra 1,060 UAH for using 25 more minutes to get out of the airport? No way! Even if you have to use 1 hour in the airport I would still be more than willing to wait the extra 45 minutes and save over 1,000 UAH, which I then can spend on the right thing: The girls.I don't know why you are sddressing this to me.

I was merely responding to a request from Bimboy Boy for info.

I used & still use taxis to & from the Airport for 120 gryvnas. I end up giving a tip of 30 gryvnas.

Total is 150 gryvnas.

I don't even need luggage clearnce. I only take Hand luggage to Kiev anyway.

Like I posted, I never used this VIP service & never will anytime soon.

Unless I win some money on the Lotto, then I will get a real VIP service with 2 Blondekas suking my Dick on the way to my destination in Kiev.

In this case you are merely Preaching to someone, who is converted.

But there are some Posters here who mention that money is not an issue to them.

So, perhaps this is a nice way of wasting money.

Reiner Otto
11-20-10, 00:01
Has anyone here ever waited 2 hours in the passport control lines, as they write on the website?

Never ever. Usually, about 30 minutes to clear passport and customs control in Borispol.

It Travel
11-20-10, 10:43
IT Travel, where are further porn pictures about Alessia?
The MT you mean or who?

IT

It Travel
11-20-10, 10:48
Never ever. Usually, about 30 minutes to clear passport and customs control in Borispol.

Yep Reiner Otto at KBP usually you are in your car (taxi or bus or whatever) approx 45 minutes after the pkane has landed which is quite a good standard for an airpor wich Passport Control (including luggage pick up and customs).

It's both SVO and DME (in Moscow) where you can really queue for hours, been there for a couple of hurs some time, but usually my travel agent shows up after the glass barries and advices to the diplmat/crew line (I have no idea which dealing he has, put I pay nothing) so usually I get out maximum in 20 min, but you know if you get two 747 from Asia it can be long waiting.

IT

AZN Monger
11-20-10, 13:50
I'm in Kiev! Danced the night away in Arena last night, what a great vibe and good music. I blended in since I'm not so far away from the age range there, but it's definitely not Shooters where young girls are coming there to meet rich foreigners.

Jojosun
11-20-10, 14:56
I don't know why you are sddressing this to me.

I was merely responding to a request from Bimboy Boy for info.

I used & still use taxis to & from the Airport for 120 gryvnas. I end up giving a tip of 30 gryvnas.

Total is 150 gryvnas.

I don't even need luggage clearnce. I only take Hand luggage to Kiev anyway.

Like I posted, I never used this VIP service & never will anytime soon.

Unless I win some money on the Lotto, then I will get a real VIP service with 2 Blondekas suking my Dick on the way to my destination in Kiev.

In this case you are merely Preaching to someone, who is converted.

But there are some Posters here who mention that money is not an issue to them.

So, perhaps this is a nice way of wasting money.If money is not an Issue, then this is the kind of VIP service that I would go for.

A Strech Limo with all the facilities including a Jaccuzi Hot Tub, wet bar.

http://www.Ilslimos.com/

Throw in 2or 3 hot Blondes, and Bingo.

You have got a party 30 minutes(Reading above reports) after landing in Kiev.

You save time as well by having a wash, before you have reached your destination.

I have seen Strech limos hanging outside some Clubs, including Rio.

Perhaps this kind of service for Kiev Airport transfers can be arranged.

It beats staring at the dreary scene of nothing & concrete soviet style buildings on the way to the centre.

I heard that There is a SEX on wheels service in Strech Limos in London.

Haven't tried it yet.

Jojosun
11-20-10, 15:22
Paying 160 $ (almost 1,300 UAH) for this “service” is simply stupid. Has anyone here ever waited 2 hours in the passport control lines, as they write on the website? If yes, you must have been very unlucky.

I’ve been to Kiev 6 times this year (arrived in the day, afternoon as well as evening) and I have never used more than 40 minutes from the time the airplane landed on the ground till the time I was out of the airport. The longest I have ever waited in the passport control line was about 15 minutes (on my last trip 1 week ago).
*
Most apartment agencies offer transfer from the airport to Kiev. The price is usually 35 $, but if you book transfer from as well as to the airport (when you are going home), they usually give a discount of 5 $ each way. So price for transfer will be 240 UAH.
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So… is it worth paying around extra 1,060 UAH for using 25 more minutes to get out of the airport? No way! Even if you have to use 1 hour in the airport I would still be more than willing to wait the extra 45 minutes and save over 1,000 UAH, which I then can spend on the right thing: The girls.As an after thought, you should have addressed your Post to Asian Chaos, who has booked a service ar US $ 340.

He didn't clarify if it was Single or Return?

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1092762

Reiner Otto
11-20-10, 15:49
It's both SVO and DME (in Moscow) where you can really queue for hours, IT
One more reason I much more prefere SPb (LED) to Moscow :-)

It Travel
11-20-10, 16:00
One more reason I much more prefere SPb (LED) to Moscow :-)

I prefer Kiev, still so naive. But when you have to work.... you have to get to Moscow (from where everything is ruled out!)

IT

Reiner Otto
11-20-10, 19:51
But when you have to work.... you have to get to Moscow (from where everything is ruled out!)
IT

Depends on ... I worked for several years in SPb. And the IT-guys from the various institutes were not worse than the ones from the Lomonossov ...

Besides that, it is known all over RF, that Moscow only is for money. But Peter for culture and science.
Unfortunately, I have to admit, that the female top class models always follow the $$$$ :-)

Regarding male top class models, it could be different :-) :-) :-)
Some male ballet dancers came to my mind.

It Travel
11-20-10, 20:27
Depends on ... I worked for several years in SPb. And the IT-guys from the various institutes were not worse than the ones from the Lomonossov ...

Besides that, it is known all over RF, that Moscow only is for money. But Peter for culture and science.
Unfortunately, I have to admit, that the female top class models always follow the $$$$ :-)

Regarding male top class models, it could be different :-) :-) :-)
Some male ballet dancers came to my mind.

Ah ah ah

GOOD ANSWER!

I just put IT because I'm Italian, not because I'm in the IT business..

Yep the blondikas follows the $$$ ohhh I remember the opening of Night Flight... uuuu Claudia Shiffer would not be ammited there too ugly...


;-)

IT

Mellowtrax
11-20-10, 21:37
As an after thought, you should have addressed your Post to Asian Chaos, who has booked a service ar US $ 340.

He didn't clarify if it was Single or Return?

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1092762

Sorry Jojo,

My answer wasn't meant to you in particular. And yes, my post should have been addressed to AC.

I surely hope the price - 340 $ - is for Return.

Freetiger
11-21-10, 15:22
Dear users,

I was in Kiev in September (3 days) and I spent good time there with beautifull girls) (once par day). But finally, it can be boring to be just with 1 girl. Therefore, for me next trip in (January?); I would like to organize a party to try sex group. I am hetero and I would like to know is anybody (also hetero) could be interested in a party. Let me know it by private message. It could be nice to organize a good party there)

Billy Elliot
11-21-10, 18:30
If you fly UIA or one of the other local airlines, you should get to the new terminal, which has a much faster clearance rate. I've also heard that for 100UAH you can use the Crew Only queue in the normal terminal (not tried myself though).Yes it is much quicker, not much duty free in there, but Terminal F I think it was and it was very good. Right next to the main terminal so the taxi's drivers don't have to go anywhere else.

My taxi ride to the airport was 80 grivna, but that was only because of local knowledge.

Billy Elliot
11-21-10, 18:32
I was there about 2 weeks ago and the new terminal is quite quick to get through. I would estimate from when you get off the place to walking out is about 30 minutes or less, so not worth $160 unless they are helping you to get through some strange items in your luggage.


Had a look at Kiev Apartments, and it seems that it does include the Transfer to your Kiev destination as well.

Clearance of passport & customs and out of the Airport in 15 minutes.

You are met at the Plane & taken to VIP area, where your luggage is brought.

Never used them before, and unlikely to use them soon.

I only take hand luggage on a 3 or 4 nights in Kiev.

There is a similar service going in other international airports as well, including Bangkok.

Here is more on what you get for US $160, at Kiev airport.

http://www.Kievapartmentrent.com/services.html#1

AsianChaos
11-22-10, 00:24
Sorry Jojo,

My answer wasn't meant to you in particular. And yes, my post should have been addressed to AC.

I surely hope the price - 340 $ - is for Return.


It is for arrival fast track and departure fast track.

Mellowtrax
11-22-10, 22:39
It is for arrival fast track and departure fast track.
Ok. You are free to spend your money on what you want, of course. I understand money is not an issue for you. I just think the fast track service is an unnecessary cost, especially since long queues are not a problem at Boryspil, and particularly because the opening of the new Terminal F is making arrival/departure even easier and faster than before.

This will be your first trip to Kiev, right? I understand planning and security is important to you (fast track in airport, pre-arranged entry to the night clubs and your idea about hiring a bodyguard). All these measures and your precaution are really not necessary to have a good time in Kiev. Good, old common sense should do it.

I wish you a good trip on Thursday. Keep an eye on your drink and a hand on your wallet, and I’m sure you will have fun there :) I hope you will write a report after your trip.

Jeankim
11-22-10, 22:58
I'm in Kiev! Danced the night away in Arena last night, what a great vibe and good music. I blended in since I'm not so far away from the age range there, but it's definitely not Shooters where young girls are coming there to meet rich foreigners.Are you asian? No racial issue on shooters?

I heard that shooters is best place to have young Ukraine girls. If not shooters. Where to find young girls in Kiev club?

I am 30 something but I look more like 20's. And I really want to meet young Kiev girls I need some info for clubs help me out ISG members!

Snow1998
11-23-10, 12:15
Hi there,

Hi Sammybe, and thanks for feedback. Was quite pleasant to read. I am glad my report could help.

As for me I am currently planning my next trip and again I would need some help.

Other than that and for my guidance, is there the slightest chance to get a massage with something more thrilling than a mere handjob as an ending? BJ? Full service? By RTFF I came to the conclusion that such places did not exist in Kiev, I ask just to make sure once and for all.


Thanks in advance!Hi,

I'm kind of new here. I will be Kiev tomorrow afternoon for 2nights. Not a hard monger but do like to enjoy fun with a girl. Problem is I have to be very discreet gven the company I travel with. Did some research on the net and found this massage place http://kievtantricmassage.com/ offering what seems more than just a happyending. I aim to try it out tommorow night so will post feedack after that.

AZN Monger
11-23-10, 14:28
Are you asian? No racial issue on shooters?

I heard that shooters is best place to have young Ukraine girls. If not shooters. Where to find young girls in Kiev club?

I am 30 something but I look more like 20's. And I really want to meet young Kiev girls I need some info for clubs help me out ISG members!

Yes I am, but I haven't had any trouble so far. I've been to multiple clubs and establishments with face control and got through all of them.

Truthfully, I'm not really in Kiev for P4P. There's so much potential dating if you are dressed well and know how to carry a conversation. For example, a hostess at a restaurant was speaking to me at length because she was in America this past summer and was curious about my thoughts about Kiev, etc. I got her number and we're going clubbing Thursday.

Of course, if you want P4P, then Shooters is your best bet. I heard Vodka Bar, D'Lux and Carribean were good for it too.

Jojosun
11-23-10, 15:04
I was there about 2 weeks ago and the new terminal is quite quick to get through. I would estimate from when you get off the place to walking out is about 30 minutes or less, so not worth $160 unless they are helping you to get through some strange items in your luggage.Yes. I do carry some strange items in my luggage, Called (Performa condoms, by Durex).

They give you more Bang for Your Bucks.

And I really want to make sure that they do arrive with me, that I take them in my carry on Hand Luggage only.

Your advise is wasted on me Billy.

Jojosun
11-23-10, 15:17
Yes it is much quicker, not much duty free in there, but Terminal F I think it was and it was very good. Right next to the main terminal so the taxi's drivers don't have to go anywhere else.

My taxi ride to the airport was 80 grivna, but that was only because of local knowledge.Your taxi ride to the airport for 80 gryvnas, won't be obtainable by any Tom, Dick, or Abdul heading to the Airport.

Perhaps with your local knowledge, you post some links for Taxi because, that can undercut the Taxi Fares to & from the airport paid by non UA mongers.

Jojosun
11-23-10, 21:16
Your taxi ride to the airport for 80 gryvnas, won't be obtainable by any Tom, Dick, or Abdul heading to the Airport.

Perhaps with your local knowledge, you post some links for Taxi cos that can undercut the Taxi Fares to & from the airport paid by non UA mongers.Meant (links to Taxi cos)

AsianChaos
11-24-10, 08:44
I am in Kiev. Landed yesterday evening and was wisked away by VIP arrival team as soon as I landed from the airport. I was the only VIP and the lady behind the immigration desk along with the customs guy were very helpful and friendly.

But had to wait like 20 minutes for the bags to arrive to VIP area and no issues there except I had to declare the thousands of pounds I was carrying. Filled in the proper forms for declaration showed them the money and was bade farewell.

Outside was a stunner girl waiting for me to take me to the apartment. I was taken in the brand new lincoln to the city. It was drizzling and the traffic coming into the city was so bad that I reached the apartment at 9:00.

The guide - said that we had a reservation at shooters at 10:30 for dinner. Quick shower and changed and was driven to Shooters. Was kind a dissapointed with the all the hype here about being the best place to pick hot woman. Very few people and even few stunners there. Waited till 12:30 and the guide suggested that we go to Buddha bar. The lounge on the second floor was semi-crowded with clearly all working woman and some were even barely an 8. Had a couple of drinks and then saw a real hotty - young. She was swaped by men all trying to push their dick through. I mentioned this to guide and we had a laugh and joking asked her if she could invite her over to join us. The guide was hesitant but clearly seemed that this would be exit from me from the night. So she approached the girl had a 45 sec conversation with her and she as at our table.

Mira could speak pausable english and she was very friendly and bubbly. Once our conversation started the guide asked to be excused. Mira asked for $300 and I just blurted yes. I was enjoying her company and wanted her to relax more and started ordering tequila shots. Big mistake. I think she had already been drinking heavily earlier. After 2 hours of drinking at Buddha Bar I could tell that she was losing it. So quickly ordered the bill and headed for the apartment. Once we reached she clearly wanted to do it quicky not beacause she was a clock watcher but she was feeling sick.She had an amazing ass but boobs once in clear view were a size smaller than I had imagined. Half way into the session she wanted to throw up and that basically killed the mojo. After she came back from cleaning up she apologoized for the it and tried her best to make it up with an effort well put in the BBBJ. Flipped her over and and gave it to her doggy all the way to end except just before coming whispered in her ear that I wanted to finish in her mouth. She early obliged and turned around to suck me dry.

But I could clearly tell that she was not feeling good so I asked her to leave at 4:00am in the morning. I was not done yet so after she left go onto Mamba and tried to find any of the girls I had been in contact with if they were online.

I girl 18 year old winked at me and I started a conversation of how I was scared to sleep alone in the big apartment on the first night of kiev. After a good 1 hour of coaxing her to come just to give me company for sleeping she finally agreed and duly showed up at 5:15am in the morning. She could not speak a word of english and we fiddled around with online translation for 5 minutes before deciding it was time to hit the bed as she mentioned that she has to go to work at 10 at some machine plant where she is a supervisor/manager.

Once in bed light off and she in her undies - i asked if she would like a massage. She agreed and it started innocently with a shoulder run with her lying on the back and i knew if she came at 5:00 am in the morning to meet me having no english skills she wanted more. So massage eventually turns into a pussy massage and by that time she is completely wet and we do 3 positions before i finished on top of her.

It is now 8:00 clock in the morning and she is getting ready while I am typing this out. :)

I am exhausted but too cannot still sleep. Realized that I have the camera and started taking her photos as she was putting on her makeup. She called a taxi and asked to leave. I gave her UAH100 with a kiss on the cheek and as she was leaving she said "Massage Horosha" and smiled.

Will try to get some sleep now and see what the afternoon hold :)

Jojosun
11-24-10, 13:00
I am in Kiev. Landed yesterday evening and was wisked away by VIP arrival team as soon as I landed from the airport. I was the only VIP and the lady behind the immigration desk along with the customs guy were very helpful and friendly.

But had to wait like 20 minutes for the bags to arrive to VIP area and no issues there except I had to declare the thousands of pounds I was carrying. Filled in the proper forms for declaration showed them the money and was bade farewell.

Outside was a stunner girl waiting for me to take me to the apartment. I was taken in the brand new lincoln to the city. It was drizzling and the traffic coming into the city was so bad that I reached the apartment at 9:00.

The guide - said that we had a reservation at shooters at 10:30 for dinner. Quick shower and changed and was driven to Shooters. Was kind a dissapointed with the all the hype here about being the best place to pick hot woman. Very few people and even few stunners there. Waited till 12:30 and the guide suggested that we go to Buddha bar. The lounge on the second floor was semi-crowded with clearly all working woman and some were even barely an 8. Had a couple of drinks and then saw a real hotty - young. She was swaped by men all trying to push their dick through. I mentioned this to guide and we had a laugh and joking asked her if she could invite her over to join us. The guide was hesitant but clearly seemed that this would be exit from me from the night. So she approached the girl had a 45 sec conversation with her and she as at our table.

Mira could speak pausable english and she was very friendly and bubbly. Once our conversation started the guide asked to be excused. Mira asked for $300 and I just blurted yes. I was enjoying her company and wanted her to relax more and started ordering tequila shots. Big mistake. I think she had already been drinking heavily earlier. After 2 hours of drinking at Buddha Bar I could tell that she was losing it. So quickly ordered the bill and headed for the apartment. Once we reached she clearly wanted to do it quicky not beacause she was a clock watcher but she was feeling sick.She had an amazing ass but boobs once in clear view were a size smaller than I had imagined. Half way into the session she wanted to throw up and that basically killed the mojo. After she came back from cleaning up she apologoized for the it and tried her best to make it up with an effort well put in the BBBJ. Flipped her over and and gave it to her doggy all the way to end except just before coming whispered in her ear that I wanted to finish in her mouth. She early obliged and turned around to suck me dry.

But I could clearly tell that she was not feeling good so I asked her to leave at 4:00am in the morning. I was not done yet so after she left go onto Mamba and tried to find any of the girls I had been in contact with if they were online.

I girl 18 year old winked at me and I started a conversation of how I was scared to sleep alone in the big apartment on the first night of kiev. After a good 1 hour of coaxing her to come just to give me company for sleeping she finally agreed and duly showed up at 5:15am in the morning. She could not speak a word of english and we fiddled around with online translation for 5 minutes before deciding it was time to hit the bed as she mentioned that she has to go to work at 10 at some machine plant where she is a supervisor/manager.

Once in bed light off and she in her undies - i asked if she would like a massage. She agreed and it started innocently with a shoulder run with her lying on the back and i knew if she came at 5:00 am in the morning to meet me having no english skills she wanted more. So massage eventually turns into a pussy massage and by that time she is completely wet and we do 3 positions before i finished on top of her.

It is now 8:00 clock in the morning and she is getting ready while I am typing this out. :)

I am exhausted but too cannot still sleep. Realized that I have the camera and started taking her photos as she was putting on her makeup. She called a taxi and asked to leave. I gave her UAH100 with a kiss on the cheek and as she was leaving she said "Massage Horosha" and smiled.

Will try to get some sleep now and see what the afternoon hold :)Asian Chaos.

Excellent Report.

Very nice of you to keep us updated as soon as you hit Kiev.

You carrying Thousands of Pounds?

Why not US$$$? / More common for Kiev.

Now you like the Place soooo much, that you are trying to buy a big Chunk of of it? /

Next time you hit Kiev. You can arrange for a couple of Blondes to meet you in the Brand New Lincoln for the ride into the centre.

This beats the rides in Taxis waiting for custom at Arrivals.

Most clubs are usually Slow on Tuesdays.

Keep it up AC & keep us updated.

Have Fun

Jojosun
11-24-10, 13:18
Ok. You are free to spend your money on what you want, of course. I understand money is not an issue for you. I just think the fast track service is an unnecessary cost, especially since long queues are not a problem at Boryspil, and particularly because the opening of the new Terminal F is making arrival/departure even easier and faster than before.

This will be your first trip to Kiev, right? I understand planning and security is important to you (fast track in airport, pre-arranged entry to the night clubs and your idea about hiring a bodyguard). All these measures and your precaution are really not necessary to have a good time in Kiev. Good, old common sense should do it.

I wish you a good trip on Thursday. Keep an eye on your drink and a hand on your wallet, and I’m sure you will have fun there :) I hope you will write a report after your trip.Can you imagine if AC second user name was Organized?

Asian Chaos, gets a ride in a Brand New Lincoln, met at the Airport by a Stunning Guide, gets taken to a couple of clubs & gets laid Twice on the same night. The second hit at 5am? /

And he posts a Report at 8 am.

No wonder Asian Economies are booming & a lot of Western Economies begging for handouts from the IMF & others.

And he said he was going there for Work?

I would do it the same way, if Money wasn't the Bloody Issue.

I love American Cars.

EasyEase
11-24-10, 17:38
I am in Kiev. Landed yesterday evening and was wisked away by VIP arrival team as soon as I landed from the airport. I was the only VIP and the lady behind the immigration desk along with the customs guy were very helpful and friendly.

SNIP

I gave her UAH100 with a kiss on the cheek and as she was leaving she said "Massage Horosha" and smiled.

Will try to get some sleep now and see what the afternoon hold :)Very nice report and wish you a great time in Kiev.

I will be in Kiev 03.12.-08.12.2010 to visit my GF there, attend the Armin Van Buuren concert and look for new Kiev Bunnys.

AsianChaos
11-24-10, 18:59
Can you imagine if AC second user name was Organized?

Asian Chaos, gets a ride in a Brand New Lincoln, met at the Airport by a Stunning Guide, gets taken to a couple of clubs & gets laid Twice on the same night. The second hit at 5am? /

And he posts a Report at 8 am.

No wonder Asian Economies are booming & a lot of Western Economies begging for handouts from the IMF & others.

And he said he was going there for Work?

I would do it the same way, if Money wasn't the Bloody Issue.

I love American Cars.


Thanks for your comments.

I ma loving it in Kiev.

I slept at 9:00 and woke up at 1:00pm and went off to the rep office to get the work sorted with apolgies that i I was feeling under the weather for the late arrival.

Left at 5:00 and had already book a contact from Mamba at 6:00pm.

She was arrived on the dot and she was a bit older than her photos but friendly had a average session with her 2 pops. Damage 600 UAH.

Yesterday the hot guide invited me to her birthday dinner today and I offered that the dinner should be on me. So just heading out right now for dinner with 6 girls at some upscale place called Concorde. Then we plan to hit the clubs at night to celebrate. I am hoping that will be able to bring at 1 back home.

If not then a good contact for future freebie. There is always arena or buddha bar if all else fails. :)

Will be posting photos to substantiate all claims But it will have to wait as the pictures that the camerca is taking is over 5mb and I have to re-size them to post. Time is something of a precious commodity right now :)

Crocodilechik
11-24-10, 19:38
Hi Asianchaos,

Nice report. Which guide are you using, what is cost and services offered?

Thanks

Jojosun
11-24-10, 19:44
Thanks for your comments.

I ma loving it in Kiev.

I slept at 9:00 and woke up at 1:00pm and went off to the rep office to get the work sorted with apolgies that i I was feeling under the weather for the late arrival.

Left at 5:00 and had already book a contact from Mamba at 6:00pm.

She was arrived on the dot and she was a bit older than her photos but friendly had a average session with her 2 pops. Damage 600 UAH.

Yesterday the hot guide invited me to her birthday dinner today and I offered that the dinner should be on me. So just heading out right now for dinner with 6 girls at some upscale place called Concorde. Then we plan to hit the clubs at night to celebrate. I am hoping that will be able to bring at 1 back home.

If not then a good contact for future freebie. There is always arena or buddha bar if all else fails. :)

Will be posting photos to substantiate all claims But it will have to wait as the pictures that the camerca is taking is over 5mb and I have to re-size them to post. Time is something of a precious commodity right now :)I think for a first timer to Kiev with no money issues, you have gone about it the right way & in a subtle way. Hope you can put some costs on co or whatever expenses?.

No Flash Harry here.

The main thing is you have done the clubs in the right way, by appearing there with a stunning girl on your side & none of this BS of face control at the door.

It seems your investment paid off.

You score more when you are in the company of an attractive female or females, and not just in Kiev.

If I were you, keep the Guide as your Own future Finder for Kiev delights.

You get more rewards this way.

Climaxnow
11-24-10, 23:36
So let me get this straight. A.C. first inquires of this forum about possible body guards in Kiev. So when he arrives into town, he declares to all custom agents he has tons of cash above non declaration limits. Then he proceeds to town in a big old " look at me" Lincoln.

Dude, get yourself an atm card and take a taxi. Leave that limelight shit for the Oligarchs. Flashy foreigners can be assured plenty of grief in Eastern Europe.

AZN Monger
11-25-10, 00:11
...or if you live here long enough you don't need to be even flashy at all. Dating and freebies are definitely easy here if you give it the effort it requires. Remember:

1. A Kiev girl is more likely attracted to a Kiev boy, especially if your Russian is non-existant.

2. Taking point #1, realize that most girls registered at marriage agencies want mainly a better life, especially if a translator is needed to communicated between the two. Do people honestly think it might work with such a big language obstacle in the way?

3. Impress Ukrainian girls. Learn some Russian, polish your clothes and appearance (looks matter more here than America).

4. Just like any other women in the world - it takes effort to romance. When I was dating girls from Belarus I met in the U.S., they were highly educated and smart. They didn't just fall for anyone. They need a strong, yet weak (when needed) gentlemen.

If you're not here for dating, just recycle dance club, bar and mamba girls in rotations)

It Travel
11-25-10, 09:17
Been there once....
42/4 Pushkinska St, Kiev-Donbass business center, Kyiv, Ukraine or not?

One of the most expncive restaurants in the city and with EU-Italian-Asian fusion cusine (bleah!!!).

They think it's just elegant with the white chairs etc etc, farirly prefer small typical eateries in Podol...

Just appearence and no substance!

Do not think I'm so cheap when eating, just for a comment been several times a Bocuse in Lyon and La Tour d'Argent in Paris so... but that was wort the price (La Tour so so, but the story)...

In my taste one of the quality/price best restaurants in Kiev is still Pervak... (ul. Rognidenska 2) even on the KLM city guide (as Concord) mind that a full dinner (despite what they say), aperitive, three courses, wine, drinks, will go around 1.000 UAH and no champangne... :( :(

IT





Thanks for your comments.

I ma loving it in Kiev.

I slept at 9:00 and woke up at 1:00pm and went off to the rep office to get the work sorted with apolgies that i I was feeling under the weather for the late arrival.

Left at 5:00 and had already book a contact from Mamba at 6:00pm.

She was arrived on the dot and she was a bit older than her photos but friendly had a average session with her 2 pops. Damage 600 UAH.

Yesterday the hot guide invited me to her birthday dinner today and I offered that the dinner should be on me. So just heading out right now for dinner with 6 girls at some upscale place called Concorde. Then we plan to hit the clubs at night to celebrate. I am hoping that will be able to bring at 1 back home.

If not then a good contact for future freebie. There is always arena or buddha bar if all else fails. :)

Will be posting photos to substantiate all claims But it will have to wait as the pictures that the camerca is taking is over 5mb and I have to re-size them to post. Time is something of a precious commodity right now :)

AsianChaos
11-25-10, 12:32
After the 6pm session was ready for dinner.

The guide showed up at 8:20 with 5 of her friends. 2 were hotties, 2 was slightly chubby, and the other one was a korean student studying in Kiev. Picked up 23 red roses on our walk to the restaurant for the birthday girl and the other girls were clearly impressed with the level of attention the guide was getting from me.

Off to the restaurant..Concord..nice place just the white covering on the chair kills it. It is located on the 8th floor of a business building that has a terrace view. The food was fusion and expensive. We ordered 3 bottles and individual starters and main course and the damage was about 7,300 UAH. But the 3 bottles where good ice breakers for the company. Out of the 5 new faces 3 could speak good english and 1 had some difficulty while the other one was completely Ukrainian.

We had a good laugh and I suggested that to her friends since it was her birthday they should each share something embarrassing about the birthday girl. And this led to a nice friendly and sometimes initimate conversations.
After dinner we decided to got to a Karaoke bar called Godzilla.

Completely russian crowd and and an average bar. Mostly russian songs and I sang Hotel California and tried to make it funny for the girls. The birthday girl was beaming and hanging on to my arm and she was proudly displaying her new found charmer.

At 1:00pm we decided to go to the night club and the guide suggested Praptic or prapita (I cannot recall the name correctly) as she knew the manager there very well. So walked in to the club and was taken to the second floor with a private room that has a huge glass window and we could see the dance floor. It was disco night and a lot of songs from th 80s and 90s and 2 ribbed half naked male models performing on the stage. We ordered drinks and hit the dance floor and i was dancing with 4 girls and clearly was being eyed by males as well as females. Clearly it was a mixed crowd with non pros who were with their boyfriends and pros on the sides sitting or standing by the walls. From what I could see a lot of older working woman I think 26+ with a few 21+. I did not see anyone that was like wow....there were some that had dressed sexy....but not sure about the goods underneath.

I was enjoying the company of the 5 girls and besides the guide another girl was warming up to me. When then played a slow song she asked me if I could do a slow dance with her. The guide was busy dancing with her other friends and I started dancing with this one. I was trying not to be a sleeze ball and kept my distance with her also of the fact did not want to upset the guide who was right there next to me. So this other girl who I was dancing with pulls me closer and tells me to stop dancing like I am dancing with my mother. So here I am trying to think what my next step should be. Thankful the song ended and we moved to a Micheal Jackson number and we all started dancing again. At 2:30 3 of her friends asked that they have to leave and we said bye to them. So i am left with the guide, the korean and the girl who slow danced with me. I can tell the girl is getting jealouse and trying to move in a sexy way on the dance floor. The guide sees this and gets annoyed and they have like a dance off on the dance floor. I was clearly enjoying the show and so were the other people. I think the guide had enough of her friend or maybe she was just tipsy - she grabbed my arm and said we should leave. I paid for the drinks 1,500 UAH and she said bye to her friends and got in the taxi with me. Now was the moment of truth...I asked her if she was had a great time and then she kissed in the cab to show her appreciation. But I could sense that she was hesitant. She said that she should get dropped off first and then I could take the taxi back to the apartment. I had to think fast...I said that I had a gift for her and that was at the apartment. So needed to come to the apartment to get her gift. Hearing the word gift she agreed. I had bought 4 woman parfumes from the duty free aniticipating that there might be times when they come in very handy. So back at the apartment I gave her a Estee Lauder parfume - I aplogized that it was not wrapped. She thanked me again with a kiss and this time - i was more passionate in my kissing to her. She responded with her tongue and I knew I was there.

It was kind of awkward getting undressed with the overcoats and the heavy winter clothing while kissing away - but I knew I had to get the clothes off before she could change her mind. With a lot of fumblying finally managed to get her clothes off and her bra. She had nice firm boobs. I was still semi-clothed and while kissing I picked up in my arms and made it to the bedroom. Got more intense once we hit the bedroom and me fingering her love hole made her go over the edge. She was clearly wet and i moved her hand to my dick so she was stroking me and I was fingering her. We were still kissing deeping and I just got on top of her and dived in bareback. I guess the alcohol was getting to both of us. It was more passionate love making rather than a sports fuck. We tried various positions while in between she wanted to taste herself and gave me a quick blowjob and back to doddy position. I think I came inside her - i did try to pull out just before but I think she was on the edge herself and held on to me when I wanted to pull out. So half of it went inside her and the other half on the sheets.

We cuddled and it was nice experience and somewhere we both dosed off.

She woke me in the moring at 8 and was already ready and said she need to go to work. I kissed her good bye and she said to call her once I wake up.

After she left I had to get ready and hit the office as well. Just finished work. And I thought I update on the events.

I feel that I like the dating game here. From what I have seen about the working woman - they are average. I am sure there are hot stunners...but I personally like the GFE feeling that I am getting here. I have 3 girls from Mamba lined up. 1 girl is coming today taking a 3 hour bus ride and will be here at 8:00 in the evening. I did not tell her that i was in Kiev for the last 2 days. She thinks I am coming in today in the evening. So today will be most probably a GFE night as I have been chatting with this one for the last 1 month and she has confirmed that she will be spending the night with me. So wine, dine and back to the apartment. I do not think I will hit the clubs today.

I however do have a session booked at 5 with a pro for 1 hour and from the pictures that she has sent me - promises to be a stunner.

Now I have to figure out a way to keep the guide away but not lose her as she was a pricy investment. So have to make up an excuse that I cannot see her as have to go to a business dinner and not feeling too well.

Till later.

AsianChaos
11-25-10, 12:44
so let me get this straight. a.c. first inquires of this forum about possible body guards in kiev. so when he arrives into town, he declares to all custom agents he has tons of cash above non declaration limits. then he proceeds to town in a big old " look at me" lincoln.

dude, get yourself an atm card and take a taxi. leave that limelight shit for the oligarchs. flashy foreigners can be assured plenty of grief in eastern europe.


my friend - i got the immigration fast track as i do not like to wait, also it was my first time in kiev so i wanted no racial interrogation at the standard immigration line. i brought cash as was not sure about the atms, besides it saves me the trouble of going to the atm. as for the lincoln - i did not order a lincoln that is what they sent. as for being flashy - the only people who know how much money i have brought is the customs guy and that i had to declare else they use a excuse to confirep001e it. restaurants i pay by card and only in clubs for drinks will i pay by cash.

the only time i drew attention was last night at the night club and that also when i hit the dance floor. dance finish go back to private room upstairs. otherwise it was all subtle all the way.

i dropped the idea of the bodyguard as other members suggested that it would only draw even added attention and they were right.

EasyEase
11-25-10, 12:51
ac, enjoy your time, you are doing well and don't get bothered by the gamehaters here.

but don't fall in love when getting this gfe feelings that are very comoon in ukraine or you will get addicted. as i did.

keep it up and good reports.

easyease


my friend - i got the immigration fast track as i do not like to wait, also it was my first time in kiev so i wanted no racial interrogation at the standard immigration line. i brought cash as was not sure about the atms, besides it saves me the trouble of going to the atm. as for the lincoln - i did not order a lincoln that is what they sent. as for being flashy - the only people who know how much money i have brought is the customs guy and that i had to declare else they use a excuse to confirep001e it. restaurants i pay by card and only in clubs for drinks will i pay by cash.

the only time i drew attention was last night at the night club and that also when i hit the dance floor. dance finish go back to private room upstairs. otherwise it was all subtle all the way.

i dropped the idea of the bodyguard as other members suggested that it would only draw even added attention.

Jojosun
11-25-10, 14:32
So let me get this straight. A. C. First inquires of this forum about possible body guards in Kiev. So when he arrives into town, he declares to all custom agents he has tons of cash above non declaration limits. Then he proceeds to town in a big old " look at me" Lincoln.

Dude, get yourself an atm card and take a taxi. Leave that limelight shit for the Oligarchs. Flashy foreigners can be assured plenty of grief in Eastern Europe.I think your advise is now history for Asian Chaos.

He has now found his martini girls, anytime, anywhere, anyplace.

He did it his way&, look where he is now, he is coimaxing all the time.

I am only interested in the Korean girl student in his pack.

She would be the only one affordable for me.

I buy her as a present from London, (kimchi, and lots of it), Korean pickles. Koreans eat it all the time.

Hope she can eat it with my dick in an affordable reataurant in Kiev.

Most certainly not concorde.

Angus Magee
11-25-10, 14:34
Asia Chaos-I do not usually write in this thread (my threads are Berlin, ArtemisFKK and various German threads) but I just want to thank you for your series of Kiev reports and say-keep it up man!.

You do seem to be getting some grief here as well as plenty of encouragement. From where I sit you reports are very entertaining and well written. Had to laugh though-after a night with the guide you try to figure out how to keep her on tap while nailing a few pros in the wings. Men really are dogs (;)). Guess that is why they call us mongers. Keep it up and you just might make the Monger I Admire next month on my blog.

www.angusmagee.com

As for the flash-I say, if you got it flaunt it! Within reason of course. If you are ever in Berlin do look me up.

AM

Jojosun
11-25-10, 14:39
Thanks for your comments.

I ma loving it in Kiev.

I slept at 9:00 and woke up at 1:00pm and went off to the rep office to get the work sorted with apolgies that i I was feeling under the weather for the late arrival.

Left at 5:00 and had already book a contact from Mamba at 6:00pm.

She was arrived on the dot and she was a bit older than her photos but friendly had a average session with her 2 pops. Damage 600 UAH.

Yesterday the hot guide invited me to her birthday dinner today and I offered that the dinner should be on me. So just heading out right now for dinner with 6 girls at some upscale place called Concorde. Then we plan to hit the clubs at night to celebrate. I am hoping that will be able to bring at 1 back home.

If not then a good contact for future freebie. There is always arena or buddha bar if all else fails. :)

Will be posting photos to substantiate all claims But it will have to wait as the pictures that the camerca is taking is over 5mb and I have to re-size them to post. Time is something of a precious commodity right now :)What you are paying in Kiev for food & drinks, Substantiate your reports.

Photos just put one in the picture, not giving it more substance.

Jojosun
11-25-10, 14:49
I had a very good feeling (reading Asian Chaos's pervious reports), that AC will deliver once he hits Kiev.

In other plain words, he is not just a spammer.

He did ask, read & listened, here.

Got his just rewards, albiet with highbench marks.

Yes, if you've got it spend it in a subtle, but impressive way.

Now who are the real spammers here?

AsianChaos
11-25-10, 15:35
Asia Chaos-I do not usually write in this thread (my threads are Berlin, ArtemisFKK and various German threads) but I just want to thank you for your series of Kiev reports and say-keep it up man!.

You do seem to be getting some grief here as well as plenty of encouragement. From where I sit you reports are very entertaining and well written. Had to laugh though-after a night with the guide you try to figure out how to keep her on tap while nailing a few pros in the wings. Men really are dogs (;)). Guess that is why they call us mongers. Keep it up and you just might make the Monger I Admire next month on my blog.

www.angusmagee.com



As for the flash-I say, if you got it flaunt it! Within reason of course. If you are ever in Berlin do look me up.

AM

Encouragements are always appreciated. I am sure ClimaxNow is entitled to his views and I do not mind constructive criticism. I am just waiting for someone to call me an idiot for spending over 9,000 UAH in 1 night to get the guide between the sheets and that even once. But I learned a long time ago that you cannot win them all. But at the end of the day she will be my long term investment.

I am a frequent visitor to Frankfurt and usually end up staying at the Flemmings Hotel located right across FKK palace. Never been to Berlin. But will try. Will be there again in Frankfurt in 6 weeks. Usually end up in Oase, Palace and sometimes even World.

I am leaving for Zurich in 2 days to meet this hot ukrainian model living in Switzerland but married. She says that she loves him but needs something a bit more attention. She is 26 and we have been in touch for the last 2 months. So just going to Switzerland to give her something that I believe she is craving for. She is very into me and I hoping that I will be the permanent fuck buddy. We have been planning a tentative trip in Jan to Bahamas but figured that we need to meet first to see the chemistry. She has a high paying job in the financial sector.

So I keeping my fingers crossed.

Jojosun
11-25-10, 21:18
Encouragements are always appreciated. I am sure ClimaxNow is entitled to his views and I do not mind constructive criticism. I am just waiting for someone to call me an idiot for spending over 9, 000 UAH in 1 night to get the guide between the sheets and that even once. But I learned a long time ago that you cannot win them all. But at the end of the day she will be my long term investment.

I am a frequent visitor to Frankfurt and usually end up staying at the Flemmings Hotel located right across FKK palace. Never been to Berlin. But will try. Will be there again in Frankfurt in 6 weeks. Usually end up in Oase, Palace and sometimes even World.

I am leaving for Zurich in 2 days to meet this hot ukrainian model living in Switzerland but married. She says that she loves him but needs something a bit more attention. She is 26 and we have been in touch for the last 2 months. So just going to Switzerland to give her something that I believe she is craving for. She is very into me and I hoping that I will be the permanent fuck buddy. We have been planning a tentative trip in Jan to Bahamas but figured that we need to meet first to see the chemistry. She has a high paying job in the financial sector.

So I keeping my fingers crossed.You spent nearly 9000 UAH in one night. But from what you posted, this included a night out on the town with dinner + drinks & clubbing with 5 other girls as well.

Plus you had the Guide in the Sack.

If River Palace was open, it would have cost you US$ 300 for few hours = 2400 UAH, and this is a shag with a real Pro.

So you didn't do too badly and it was your second night.

I would say a good investment. What went around that night, will come around your way.

My first investment in Donetsk girl that I appointed to be (MY own Guide & talent Spotter for my own Fun) cost me nearly US$ 300.

This was for just few hours on our first meeting. I had to leave early.

And this is the same girl that some JIMBOE from a far away corner, wants me to pass her on to him.

My investment is not for Sharing. get it JIMBOE?

CallSign Papa
11-26-10, 12:23
You just don't get decent prose like this on the site everyday, savour it ;)

Climaxnow
11-26-10, 15:33
Maybe the tone of my posts can be somewhat confrontational, but they do serve to make simple points.

Flash is very low on the mongering food chain. If your looking for prostitutes, all you need is cash. If your looking for girlfriends, all you need is a few simple tools that present yourself as a descent human being. My belief, that as a foreigner, you should stay low key.

I too enjoyed your posts A.C.. Keep um coming.

Billy Elliot
11-27-10, 11:43
I have a gf in kyiv, so she had the number and sorted out the taxi for me, I can get the company name and number from her when I am there this time for you guys (I can also ask if they speak english). It seems like paying around $20-$25 is ok from the airport to downtown to be honest for a normal guy on his own, but anything over $25 you are really being ripped off as I did the first time I ever went there.


Meant (links to Taxi cos)

Irish Lad
11-27-10, 11:49
Congratulations AsianChaos,

You came, you conquered, you came.

Perfect approach to the Ukrainain market. It's all about fun and for Ukrainian girls it's how you spend money that counts and you did it well.

So much more interesting reading reports like yours rather than "where can I get laid for $50?".

For the money you spent you had fun, a long term contact (valuable for the infrequent visitor) and some more "once in a lifetime" experiences.

I'm a fan

HunterDave
11-27-10, 16:39
Thursday

Thursday morning I woke up with a strange feeling. I realized this was the first night I had ever been sleeping alone in Kiev. I prefer to spend the nights with the girls, so it was kind of unpleasant to wake up alone. I also believe morning sex is a great day to start the day, but not this day

Later this afternoon I was about to experience my first Mamba bait and switch. It happened to me before with girls from Top-models, but never with girls from Mamba. I had been corresponding with the girl for a week or so, which is shorter than usual, but still. I had absolutely no suspicion of a possible bait and switch, so I was very surprised when I met Katya. Should I have sent her away again? Yes. Did I overpay compared to the services I got (no DFK and only CBJ)? Yes. Do I regret? No. I expected one type of girl, but got another type which was also very much to my liking. Blond hair, nice body, big and very firm tits and shaved pussy. Despite of the CBJ, sex with her was great, especially cowgirl and doggy.

Services: Kissing, CBJ, COB

Damage: 115 USD (900 UAH) for 2 hours + 70 UAH for taxi

Value: Very good

At 6 pm I met with the possible freebie from Monday evening. We went to O'Briens Irish Pub, same place as Tuesday evening. I really like this place, especially because of the live music every night. Some Ukrainian band with a female lead singer was playing this evening, mostly Rock 'n' Roll.

Around midnight we went back to my apartment. I didn't ask if she wanted to stay for the night, since I could feel it was too soon. First base, that's all. Around 2 pm she was on her way home in a cab.

Friday

Friday noon I met with another possible freebie. We had lunch together and went for a walk in a nearby park afterwards. On my previous trips I've only been meeting with P4P's, but on this trip I had decided to invest more time in possible freebies. Hopefully, it will pay off on future trips.

Friday afternoon I met with the girl from Sunday and one of her girlfriends, Svetlana. She was short, with blonde hair, average face and body, but big, fake tits.

Services: DFK, BBBJ, rimming, anal, lesbian, swallow, golden rain

Damage: 250 USD for 2 hours

Value: Excellent

Friday evening I once again met with yesterday's possible freebie. After dinner we went to Avalon around midnight. Entrance was free for women, 150 UAH for me. We went upstairs to the night club (there's also a restaurant and lounge on the ground floor). The night club was only half full with "reserved" signs on all tables, so we went to the bar upstairs to get a drink. I really enjoyed the two very hot dancers above the dance floor.

Even though I was busy trying to seal the deal with the freebie, I also tried to spot the "working girls" there. Honestly, I didn't spot many. I also saw a lot of foreign guys just standing next to the bar downstairs, so this might have been a slow night. However, at 1 am the place was packed and I did see a lot of stunners.

We left Avalon around 3 am and went back to my place. I spent the rest of my stay with her, why my report ends here.

Conclusion

About 1, 100 USD spent on 7 P4P's, including 2 threesomes. Most of the sessions were 2 hours. Only two sessions were all nights, which I prefer. However, I'm quite satisfied with the result of this trip.

When I first started coming to Kiev I was very worried about overpaying (and I did, of course), but now it's only secondary to me. Of course I don't wish to pay horrible prices, and I still believe it's very important to negotiate very hard with the girls, but as long as I get the services and results I expect I don't mind paying 800-1, 000 UAH (100-125 USD) for a couple of hours or 1, 500-2, 000 UAH (190-250 USD) for a night. Some services cost extra, and that's the same all over the world.

I'm from Denmark in Scandinavia (Europe), a country filled with beautiful women. In general, I think most men can agree to that Scandinavian girls (from Sweden, Norway and Denmark) are some of the most beautiful girls in the world, at least if you like blonde girls. However, P4P is a different matter here, just like Sorbonne wrote earlier today. In fact, the P4P scene is practically non-existing here. Brothels, escort service (also from brothels) and freebies are the only options. Prices in Danish brothels are horrible. Normal price is between 275-370 USD for CBJ and classic only. Per hour! Furthermore, prices for taxi, going to restaurants and shopping are equally high.

I guess that's why I love Kiev so much and why I don't mind paying 100-125 USD for 2 hours with a beautiful Ukrainian girl. This is just to give some perspective on prices and not as an excuse to pay whatever I want. With time it's my plan to hook up with freebies and only use P4P for the sake of variety. I'm not quite there yet, but working on it.

Mellow

Restaurants and clubs visited:

- Restaurant Khinkali. Georgian food. Mid-range. I went here three times during my trip. I can recommend this place.

- O'Briens Irish Pub. "Traditional" Irish pub with live music every night. Mid-range. Highly recommended.

- "Puzata Hata", Ukrainian self-service restaurant in the Kiev Passage. Very cheap. Nothing fancy, but good enough to get you full.

- Café Etno. Spanish tapas food restaurant. Mid-range. Mediocre food.

- Restaurant "Swing". Restaurant with live jazz music. Mid-range. Recommendable, if you like jazz.

- Avalon night club.

- "Grill Asia" Restaurant, located in the Hyatt Regency Hotel. Fusion food. Expensive. Recommended.Mellow,

Sorry this post is so late! Thanks for 2 great reports. Sounds like your trip was very fruitful and bountiful! From the fotos, some very nice pulls. I see your prep and work before arrival paid off handsomely. Glad to see those Shota Rostevelli apartment fotos. Hope the jacuzzi worked out well. I hope to be just as successful for a few nights late next week depsite the cold weather changes. More layers of clothing to remove! Love to unwrap nice hot little gifts!

Hunter

Hedonist
11-27-10, 20:13
Well done! But even when if you call a local taxi company the standard quote to the airport from center is never less 120 grivnas. It is the same for locals and foreigners. I lived in Kiev for 2 years and the cheapest ride to the airport from the center I had was 100 grivnas...

This is one is reliable: http://www.fm-taxi.kiev.ua/include/en/index_en.php

Shanson Taxi is also OK. There are many more. Just google it up!


Your taxi ride to the airport for 80 gryvnas, won't be obtainable by any Tom, Dick, or Abdul heading to the Airport.

Perhaps with your local knowledge, you post some links for Taxi because, that can undercut the Taxi Fares to & from the airport paid by non UA mongers.

Simex
11-27-10, 22:50
AC - Good report......it'd all about having fun and playing the game. I have been spending my free time in FKK Land and Poland......your report really inspired me to take the plunge and hit Kiev this spring.

Let me know when you're in London and I'll hook you up with some Hot Ukranian and Polish Brothels in the City. Prices are at £100 per hour on Adult Work. PM me and I'll send you some hot pic's.

Simex.


Encouragements are always appreciated. I am sure ClimaxNow is entitled to his views and I do not mind constructive criticism. I am just waiting for someone to call me an idiot for spending over 9,000 UAH in 1 night to get the guide between the sheets and that even once. But I learned a long time ago that you cannot win them all. But at the end of the day she will be my long term investment.

I am a frequent visitor to Frankfurt and usually end up staying at the Flemmings Hotel located right across FKK palace. Never been to Berlin. But will try. Will be there again in Frankfurt in 6 weeks. Usually end up in Oase, Palace and sometimes even World.

I am leaving for Zurich in 2 days to meet this hot ukrainian model living in Switzerland but married. She says that she loves him but needs something a bit more attention. She is 26 and we have been in touch for the last 2 months. So just going to Switzerland to give her something that I believe she is craving for. She is very into me and I hoping that I will be the permanent fuck buddy. We have been planning a tentative trip in Jan to Bahamas but figured that we need to meet first to see the chemistry. She has a high paying job in the financial sector.

So I keeping my fingers crossed.

Perolav
11-27-10, 23:22
as christmas times is coming closer and free time is available, i was preparing for a little stint to kiev again. after spending the usual hours on flirt i am not so sure if i will be going anymore. in my head kiev is ruined as a monger destination, period. the quality is not there anymore and i am not e cheap skate, but we just have to face it, paying 3-500 dollars for a couple of hours contributing to the payment for a new nokia vertu is just plane stupid in a country where a md makes 200 dollars a month.

i know many will say its lots af freebies to be had, sure there are, but how nice do they really look? i rather stay home and wank my pecker then put the effort in to fuck someone ugly for free.

theres hould be a warning sign for mongerings when all the restaurants in the city are asian/fusion with no direction at all, as this means they have no idea what is happening in the rest of the world. to go in and rep001ter the dollars like they were the last on earth have contributed to something wonderfull has become something shitty.

i guess its a bit late to feel sorry for the situation but kiev is official dead.

r.i.p
kiev
5th century - 2010
here lays the remains of once a great city where marvelous pussy could be had

Crocodilechik
11-28-10, 10:55
Guys,

Has anyone booked any of the female guides from this agency and do they offer more than just guide duties/translation etc?

Thanks

Jojosun
11-28-10, 13:40
AC. Good report. It'd all about having fun and playing the game. I have been spending my free time in FKK Land and Poland. Your report really inspired me to take the plunge and hit Kiev this spring.

Let me know when you're in London and I'll hook you up with some Hot Ukranian and Polish Brothels in the City. Prices are at £100 per hour on Adult Work. PM me and I'll send you some hot pic's.

Simex.Actually there are many Polish Brothels in London, that are not advertised on Adult Work. Prices from £ 70 for one hour.

I don't think you will find any Ukrainian Brothels in London.

Visa issues for UA Nationals to enter the UK, is the Barrier..

Same for girls who advertise themselves as Russian.

They are usually either from Lithuania, Latvia, or Romania.

Advertising themselves as Russian, make them sound more exclusive.

Last week the EU issued a new directive on easing Visa requirements for citizens from Ukraine, Bosnia, India and Moldova.

But this only applies to countries in the EU, which are in the Shengen Visa Scheme.

The United Kingdom is not a member of this Scheme.

It operates its own Visa scheme for entry to the UK.

And if anything its going to be even harder for non EU citizens to get work, student Visa permits to come & work, study in the UK in the future.

Maybe you will find that more UA girls will be heading to Germany to work in the FKK clubs, as a result of the new EU directive.

Curlyjoe
11-28-10, 23:36
as christmas times is coming closer and free time is available, i was preparing for a little stint to kiev again. after spending the usual hours on flirt i am not so sure if i will be going anymore. in my head kiev is ruined as a monger destination, period. the quality is not there anymore and i am not e cheap skate, but we just have to face it, paying 3-500 dollars for a couple of hours contributing to the payment for a new nokia vertu is just plane stupid in a country where a md makes 200 dollars a month.

i know many will say its lots af freebies to be had, sure there are, but how nice do they really look? i rather stay home and wank my pecker then put the effort in to fuck someone ugly for free.

theres hould be a warning sign for mongerings when all the restaurants in the city are asian/fusion with no direction at all, as this means they have no idea what is happening in the rest of the world. to go in and rep001ter the dollars like they were the last on earth have contributed to something wonderfull has become something shitty.

i guess its a bit late to feel sorry for the situation but kiev is official dead.

r.i.p
kiev
5th century - 2010
here lays the remains of once a great city where marvelous pussy could be hadwhat the hell are you talking about.

Simex
11-29-10, 01:20
Would be great be if you could share the Polish houses in London for £70 per hour. I know a few around East and West London, the service is ok and girls are in the 5'6's for looks.

The hidden gems are the so called Students that come over during the summer and winter semester breaks for 2-3 months to earn a few bob before going back to study. I am a regular to a few that come over every 3-6 months and the looks are in the 8-9 cat. Will post some pics to prove it.


Actually there are many Polish Brothels in London, that are not advertised on Adult Work. Prices from £ 70 for one hour.

I don't think you will find any Ukrainian Brothels in London.

Visa issues for UA Nationals to enter the UK, is the Barrier..

Same for girls who advertise themselves as Russian.

They are usually either from Lithuania, Latvia, or Romania.

Advertising themselves as Russian, make them sound more exclusive.

Last week the EU issued a new directive on easing Visa requirements for citizens from Ukraine, Bosnia, India and Moldova.

But this only applies to countries in the EU, which are in the Shengen Visa Scheme.

The United Kingdom is not a member of this Scheme.

It operates its own Visa scheme for entry to the UK.

And if anything its going to be even harder for non EU citizens to get work, student Visa permits to come & work, study in the UK in the future.

Maybe you will find that more UA girls will be heading to Germany to work in the FKK clubs, as a result of the new EU directive.

Reiner Otto
11-29-10, 07:18
Maybe you will find that more UA girls will be heading to Germany to work in the FKK clubs, as a result of the new EU directive.

Which directive ? The request to the Schengen countries, to remove the processing fees for visa applications for UA citizens ?
Or the intention, to issue "test visa" (whatever that will mean) to UA citizens 2012 for the Soccer Championships ?

I think, you overhyped the EU directives a bit :-)

Perolav
11-29-10, 13:27
I am tryiing to get a discussion going on the current situation in Kiev, but i guess you still think its the number 1 spot in europe?

Its an illusion that you can have girls wich are 8 to 10 on the scale for free at mamba, it aint happening. Time for all to get those feet on the ground and see what the situation really is. Even Prague surpasses Kiev these days both in looks, service and price.


What the hell are you talking about.

Gunny822
11-29-10, 13:37
Dear all,

Hope I am posting my question properly and in the right place.

I recently joined the fourm, today to be exact. I have been a long time reader as a visitor. The site has been very informative for my trips through Europe and the Middle East. A lot of knowledge on this site.

Can anyone recommend a reasonable escort/GFE for Kiev. Or an english website. I am planning a short trip to blow off some steam in the near future, and was thinking Kiev. Have never been there.

I am considering one of the 48hr apartment, transport, and escort packages from Vodka Escorts. Has anyone here used them? Or would I be paying to much. The want 1400 euro for the 2 days. First problem is I only speak english.

Thanks

Jojosun
11-29-10, 14:14
Would be great be if you could share the Polish houses in London for £70 per hour. I know a few around East and West London, the service is ok and girls are in the 5'6's for looks.

The hidden gems are the so called Students that come over during the summer and winter semester breaks for 2-3 months to earn a few bob before going back to study. I am a regular to a few that come over every 3-6 months and the looks are in the 8-9 cat. Will post some pics to prove it.Perhaps you care to post first , where ( Ukrainian Brothels )are located In London?

Jojosun
11-29-10, 14:18
Which directive? The request to the Schengen countries, to remove the processing fees for visa applications for UA citizens?

Or the intention, to issue "test visa" (whatever that will mean) to UA citizens 2012 for the Soccer Championships?

I think, you overhyped the EU directives a bit. Was published in the UK by a think tank on Migration.

Easing of visas for UA nationals are not good news for Non Ua Mongers, including in the Forefront This JOJO.

Jojosun
11-29-10, 14:27
as christmas times is coming closer and free time is available, i was preparing for a little stint to kiev again. after spending the usual hours on flirt i am not so sure if i will be going anymore. in my head kiev is ruined as a monger destination, period. the quality is not there anymore and i am not e cheap skate, but we just have to face it, paying 3-500 dollars for a couple of hours contributing to the payment for a new nokia vertu is just plane stupid in a country where a md makes 200 dollars a month.

i know many will say its lots af freebies to be had, sure there are, but how nice do they really look? i rather stay home and wank my pecker then put the effort in to fuck someone ugly for free.

theres hould be a warning sign for mongerings when all the restaurants in the city are asian/fusion with no direction at all, as this means they have no idea what is happening in the rest of the world. to go in and rep001ter the dollars like they were the last on earth have contributed to something wonderfull has become something shitty.

i guess its a bit late to feel sorry for the situation but kiev is official dead.

r.i.p
kiev
5th century - 2010
here lays the remains of once a great city where marvelous pussy could be hadwhy don't you consider heading to tiraspol in transdinister, or the russian enclave of kaliningrad?

i am thinking of going there late spring early summer 2001.

girls are fresh & much cheaper & the only fusion is in the sack.

Perolav
11-29-10, 22:52
Would be up for late spring/early summer 2001, if I could only find that timemachine I have been looking for. I think good Bez Bezarra has one, but he aint lending it out.


Why don't you consider heading to Tiraspol in Transdinister, Or the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad?

I am thinking of going there late Spring Early Summer 2001.

Girls are fresh & much cheaper & the only Fusion is in the Sack.

Stevie69
11-30-10, 16:12
1400 Euro for 2 days? Are you crazy? Read the forum a little. Please!

Apartment for 2 days = 50/day. = 100 Euro

Food and transportation = another 50 TOTAL

Drinks, extras, etc 50

Total cost 200

Left for playing 1200! That is 12 to 24 girls, depending on your skills, or one every 2 hours, awake and sleeping!

I assume you will not be able to have more than 5 or 10 in 48 hours

If you really have that much money to waste, please give the rest to charity and please do not increase the expected prices for the rest of us.

Thanks


Dear all,

Hope I am posting my question properly and in the right place.

I recently joined the fourm, today to be exact. I have been a long time reader as a visitor. The site has been very informative for my trips through Europe and the Middle East. A lot of knowledge on this site.

Can anyone recommend a reasonable escort/GFE for Kiev. Or an english website. I am planning a short trip to blow off some steam in the near future, and was thinking Kiev. Have never been there.

I am considering one of the 48hr apartment, transport, and escort packages from Vodka Escorts. Has anyone here used them? Or would I be paying to much. The want 1400 euro for the 2 days. First problem is I only speak english.

Thanks

Gunny822
11-30-10, 21:18
Stevie,

Thanks for the insight. I did some reasearch on the forum today, and you are absolutely 100% correct. I put the cart before the horse. I would have been insane to pay those prices. Especially after spending more time reading the forum/posts. I think I shall opt to stay at one of the hotels, and try the bar scenes. All I have booked for the moment is airfare, will make the rest up as I go. But will not be paying those prices.

If you could advise me on a decent hotel with a decent bar, I would greatly appreciate it. I have never been to Kiev before.


1400 Euro for 2 days? Are you crazy? Read the forum a little. Please!

Apartment for 2 days = 50/day. = 100 Euro

Food and transportation = another 50 TOTAL

Drinks, extras, etc 50

Total cost 200

Left for playing 1200! That is 12 to 24 girls, depending on your skills, or one every 2 hours, awake and sleeping!

I assume you will not be able to have more than 5 or 10 in 48 hours

If you really have that much money to waste, please give the rest to charity and please do not increase the expected prices for the rest of us.

Thanks

Simex
12-01-10, 01:25
Given my purchasing power today ;-) - wish it was 2001....I'll be spending under $100 for the night...(with 2 chicks ;-)


Would be up for late spring/early summer 2001, if I could only find that timemachine I have been looking for. I think good Bez Bezarra has one, but he aint lending it out.

Reiner Otto
12-01-10, 15:04
Was published in the UK by a think tank on Migration.

Easing of visas for UA nationals are not good news for Non Ua Mongers, including in the Forefront This JOJO.

Be more specific, please. The "easing of visa", as I mentioned, is just some fake goodwill action. Because the real obstacles are not the 40E or so processing fees for visa to Germany, for example.

And a think tank in UK published it ? Link, please.

Here is, what really happened, to confirm my posts:
http://kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1546359

Jojosun
12-01-10, 18:18
Be more specific, please. The "easing of visa", as I mentioned, is just some fake goodwill action. Because the real obstacles are not the 40E or so processing fees for visa to Germany, for example.

And a think tank in UK published it ? Link, please.

Here is, what really happened, to confirm my posts:
http://kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1546359Think Tanks by definition, think years ahead, and sometimes think the Unthinkable. Hence the name Think Tanks.

I did read it, mentioned in a Uk paper, but can't find it at the moment.

At Present Citizens of Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia, no longer require Schengen Visas for entry to the EU.

This became effective as from 19 Dec, 2009.

Albania & Bosnia, Herzgovina, will obtain the same status as of 15Dec 2010.

Ie in about 14 days time.

So if one of the poorest countries in Europe(Albania) will have its citizens travel visa free to the EU, then its very logical to assume that the Ukraine will follow the same route in the not too distant Future.

Bearing in mind the huge differences in terms of everyting between Ukraine & Albania.

The Test visas in 2012 for UA nationals you mentioned, maybe the first step in that direction. This is to coincide with Euro football held in UA & Poland.

Moldova is on the way as well, probably more so, given the recent General Elections results, with a victory to the Pro EU faction there.

The UA should have voted for Blondie& her party, if they wanted easier access to the EU.

For me as a selfish western Monger, pro EU parties are no good for my wallet mongering in the Ukraine

I think we got sidetracked a bit on the subject..

I only mentioned this UA Visa thing in reply to (Simex) about Ukrainian Brothels in London? /

Still waiting for his reply on their locations in London?

This is much more interesting for me, than the easing of Schengen Visas for UA Citizens.

Insomniaque
12-01-10, 19:37
Did some research on the net and found this massage place http://kievtantricmassage.com/ offering what seems more than just a happyending. I aim to try it out tommorow night so will post feedack after that.Hi Snow,

Did you try out the place, eventually? How was it like?

I don't know if it's just me, but since yesterday evening the Flirt site has a new layout which is, I hate to say it, fucking awful. The worst being that you can no longer save photos from the site, which I found quite handy to keep an idea of all those bloody girls who get "moderated".

Other than that, I have come across a profile with a quite delicious-looking picture, which stated "My phone number and conditions on www.Top-modals.com" (no mistake in my spelling, the address is indeed with an "a"). Out of curiosity, I had a look and yes, some photos there were quite to my liking. What is this site? An agency? There are various phone numbers so it's a bit puzzling. Reliable stuff, or scam?

Anyway, I am so keyed up to return to the homeland of depravity in a few days! Did a lot of homework this time and I really expect to go on rampage)))))

(My, you get used to those Russian smilies)

Start123
12-01-10, 21:36
Be more specific, please. The "easing of visa", as I mentioned, is just some fake goodwill action. Because the real obstacles are not the 40E or so processing fees for visa to Germany, for example.

And a think tank in UK published it ? Link, please.

Here is, what really happened, to confirm my posts:
http://kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1546359Fake is about right!. I cannot even imagine what would happen if Ukrainians were allowed into Europe- thousands of people looking for work in Germany and not finding it. Then they would just start stealing things like Poles and Romanians did ten years ago! I think everyone understands it. Even Ukrainians themselves.

Jojosun
12-02-10, 12:58
Be more specific, please. The "easing of visa", as I mentioned, is just some fake goodwill action. Because the real obstacles are not the 40E or so processing fees for visa to Germany, for example.

And a think tank in UK published it ? Link, please.

Here is, what really happened, to confirm my posts:
http://kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1546359Someone pops up here making unsubstantiated & unfounded Claim about (Ukrainian Brothels in London), and I end up picking up the pieces & wasting Time, chasing Info which I posted in the context of a Reply to this Claim By Simex.

Well here is The Info, having spent much needed time locating it, better spent doing other things this time of the Year.

Quote (These days the EU is deciding about Non.EU countries as well.

In recent months it has signalled to India, Bosnia, Moldova and Only on Monday the Ukraine that their citizens can have Easy Visas to travel to the EU. In the case of eastern European countries without apparent limit on numbers.).

The above was not from a Think Tank as I thought., but contained in a Letter by a Member of the EU Parliament for London.

Gerrad Batten. Member of the United kingdom Independence Party.

Published in the London Evening Standard. WED 24/11/2010.

www.Standard.co.uk. Letters

Ok, By defintion as well, he would say that, wouldn't he?

His party advocates the UK breaking away from the EU.

But at least the part refering to Bosnia, turned out to be not just Easy Visas to the EU, but Schengen Visa Free.

Bosnia, Herezgovina as well as Albania will have all Visa free to the Schengen Area as from 15 Dec 2010.

Polish girls in London & the UK had the best impact on the Mongering scene here in terms of Prices & Service.

Brought down prices & forced Competition in the Sex industry.

Infact my favourite Polish WG has just lowered her price by £ 10, due to stiff competition.

Ukrainian Brothels in London are as common as RockingHorse's Shit.

Jojosun
12-02-10, 14:18
Be more specific, please. The "easing of visa", as I mentioned, is just some fake goodwill action. Because the real obstacles are not the 40E or so processing fees for visa to Germany, for example.

And a think tank in UK published it ? Link, please.

Here is, what really happened, to confirm my posts:
http://kommersant.ua/doc.html?docId=1546359Here is another link, announced on 22 Nov10.

A road Plan for the UA & the EU to have Visa Free arrangements.

http://www.Rferl.org/content/article/2227271.html

You don't expect these things to Happen immediately do you?

Give them a Break. Only agreed to this 10 days ago..

By the time the UA gets Free Visa Travel to the EU, you will find that there is not much of an incentive for UA Nationals to work& stay in the WEST.

The world Bank forecast for the UA Economy this year 2010, is growth of 3.5%.

Why do you think they waived the Visa requirements for Albania, as from Dec10? /

The Albanian Economy is really booming, with remittances from Albanian Ex-Pats living in the west. About one third of the Population of Albania.

WTF, did I get myself involved in this discussion, when I don't even want the UA to have Visa Free entryto the EU anyway?

Simex
12-02-10, 14:28
Indeed someone got sidetracked...

And may I ask what you are waiting for???

I invited AsianC to PM me for these details...

some other esteem members have PM me and
I was happy to reply.





I think we got sidetracked a bit on the subject..

I only mentioned this UA Visa thing in reply to (Simex) about Ukrainian Brothels in London? /

Still waiting for his reply on their locations in London?

This is much more interesting for me, than the easing of Schengen Visas for UA Citizens.

Jojosun
12-02-10, 15:45
Indeed someone got sidetracked...

And may I ask what you are waiting for???

I invited AsianC to PM me for these details...

some other esteem members have PM me and
I was happy to reply.Here is what you posted & you can't see what's wrong with what you posted.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=816&page=2&pp=15

When you are inviting Asian Chaos to hook him up with HOT Ukrainian Brothels in London.

Polish Brothels in some areas of London, are as common as 7/11 Grocery stores. But where are your Ukrainian Brothels located in London?

Jojosun
12-02-10, 16:14
Fake is about right!. I cannot even imagine what would happen if Ukrainians were allowed into Europe- thousands of people looking for work in Germany and not finding it. Then they would just start stealing things like Poles and Romanians did ten years ago! I think everyone understands it. Even Ukrainians themselves.Here is the UA& EU Plan for Visa Free Travel.

http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20547&Itemid=132

Announced on 22 Nov in Brussels following the 3rd visit by President yanukovitch of Ukraine.

If UA meets certain conditions like introduction of Biometric Passports& fight drug & Human Trade, then Free Visa Travel will be introduced in 2011 for Short stays for UA citizens going to the EU.

I think this is a sweetner as well to influence the holding of free & democratic Elections in UA in 2012.

Hoping pro EU parties will win the elections then, much the same way as was the case in Serbia & recently Moldova.

2. Visa Free travel doesn't mean the right to seek work legally in the EU, or indeed it gives a UA Citizen an automatic entry to the EU.

Your third point. Poland joined the EU in 2004 & Romania joined the EU only in 2007.

Jeankim
12-03-10, 05:24
Is anyone used GIA girls before? Which one is less photoshoped and really good looking in reality?

I am into few girls in GIA escort lately and I really like Maria, Yarina, Polina those pic look less photoshoped than other ones. Any suggestion?

And I am going to use one full day with translator who is tour guide type girl but young and 7-6 looking. Met in Mamba. Actually she is professional translator and she is asking me 100 dollar for one day (2pm. 1am) with taxi fee is this good deal? She said average translation cost fee is about 15 USD per hour.

Reiner Otto
12-03-10, 12:55
Is anyone used GIA girls before? Which one is less photoshoped and really good looking in reality?

I am into few girls in GIA escort lately and I really like Maria, Yarina, Polina those pic look less photoshoped than other ones. Any suggestion?

And I am going to use one full day with translator who is tour guide type girl but young and 7-6 looking. Met in Mamba. Actually she is professional translator and she is asking me 100 dollar for one day (2pm. 1am) with taxi fee is this good deal? She said average translation cost fee is about 15 USD per hour.

... I would say. Here in the province 10$/h is the reasonable price, plus expenses. Kiev always has quite some % on top, and in your case taxi is included. You should only be careful regarding the place for lunch or dinner. At least here in my place several higher class restaurants have a payback scheme for the girls working as translators oder "Professional Brides" (women, who rip off the clients of the marriage agencies).
Depending upon your intensions regarding her, a Big Mac will be the safest bet, or test her and let her choose a "simple restaurant".
You will have the right feeling, if the price is OK then or not.
Good luck. Try to get tickets for the opera. Ballet in Kiev is not the top class standard like in Moscow or even St. Petersburg, but "Nutcracker" or "Swanlake" will always be a real expirience. And opera finishes before the night action starts :-)

It Travel
12-03-10, 13:16
Is anyone used GIA girls before? Which one is less photoshoped and really good looking in reality?

I am into few girls in GIA escort lately and I really like Maria, Yarina, Polina those pic look less photoshoped than other ones. Any suggestion?

And I am going to use one full day with translator who is tour guide type girl but young and 7-6 looking. Met in Mamba. Actually she is professional translator and she is asking me 100 dollar for one day (2pm. 1am) with taxi fee is this good deal? She said average translation cost fee is about 15 USD per hour.

Used in the late past and the images are always heavily photoshopped, an the price is really too much...
A nice girl on mamba (flirt for ukraine) is usually charging 200/300 USD a night.... gia charges 600 a little bit too much. in the past the tried simply to switch the prices to Euro... with the same amount!

Go for freebies or mamba girls...

IT

PS Yep Polina is in my taste too, but... I do not know how much she is photoshopped...

Ziggym
12-04-10, 12:38
Ok, so I left Kiev on vacation for a week and ended up staying gone for 2 months nearly and will be returning there broke and in threadbare clothing in a few nights. It sucks that I either have money for the nice hotel or money for the nice girl, not both.

I guess my only hope is to try local contacts/favors, behind TGIF's? or I think a kind member PM'd me the info on an apartment. Damn hostels, not letting us bring hookers home!

Markharding
12-04-10, 14:44
as christmas times is coming closer and free time is available, i was preparing for a little stint to kiev again. after spending the usual hours on flirt i am not so sure if i will be going anymore. in my head kiev is ruined as a monger destination, period. the quality is not there anymore and i am not e cheap skate, but we just have to face it, paying 3-500 dollars for a couple of hours contributing to the payment for a new nokia vertu is just plane stupid in a country where a md makes 200 dollars a month.

i know many will say its lots af freebies to be had, sure there are, but how nice do they really look? i rather stay home and wank my pecker then put the effort in to fuck someone ugly for free.

theres hould be a warning sign for mongerings when all the restaurants in the city are asian/fusion with no direction at all, as this means they have no idea what is happening in the rest of the world. to go in and rep001ter the dollars like they were the last on earth have contributed to something wonderfull has become something shitty.

i guess its a bit late to feel sorry for the situation but kiev is official dead.

r.i.p
kiev
5th century - 2010
here lays the remains of once a great city where marvelous pussy could be hadwait for nukeboy to hammer you with his personal attacks and nonsense replies. he and his likes have no data to reply on except a dream that is stuck in their heads.

Mellowtrax
12-05-10, 15:33
Mellow,

Sorry this post is so late! Thanks for 2 great reports. Sounds like your trip was very fruitful and bountiful! From the fotos, some very nice pulls. I see your prep and work before arrival paid off handsomely. Glad to see those Shota Rostevelli apartment fotos. Hope the jacuzzi worked out well. I hope to be just as successful for a few nights late next week depsite the cold weather changes. More layers of clothing to remove! Love to unwrap nice hot little gifts!

Hunter

Hi Dave,

Thanks, I had a great trip with some very nice girls and nice apartments, too. And yes, the Jacuzzi (and bathroom in full) on Shota Rustavelli was a big success with the girls. Thanks for the tip for this apartment :)

I hope you have just ended a succesful trip yourself, and I hope you will also write a report. However, just remember not to make it sound like you had a perfect trip. Some members might get jealous and/or think you are a liar ;)

Mellow

Mellowtrax
12-05-10, 15:35
A nice girl on mamba (flirt for ukraine) is usually charging 200/300 USD a night.... gia charges 600 a little bit too much
600 $ for a night/day is not a little bit too much, it’s way too much.

Gia currently has 21 girls on their website, but not all girls are available. On my very first trip to Kiev I was with a Gia girl. She told me some of the profiles are obsolete, simply because the girls are no longer working for the agency. If you ask for one of these girls the agency will tell you she's “out of town”, “on holiday” or has her “lady days”. I’m quite sure this is still the situation, even though it is now 7 months ago I used Gia.

If you can’t find freebies or cheaper girls on Mamba or in the night clubs and your only option is Gia, I suggest you book a girl for a couple of hours and then arrange a new meeting with her, not involving the agency. Some of the girls will deny, but I’m sure most girls will agree.

Mellowtrax
12-05-10, 15:42
Good observation. Ukraine is dead for mongering!

Mark,

You have been writing negative reports about Ukraine for a long time. I’m very sorry to read them, since I have the opposite view. I can understand you have experienced numerous rejections from Ukrainian girls (especially in Yalta, which you describe as the worst place for Westerns to go to). Furthermore, you have 2 unsellable apartments in Yalta and Kiev, which – I assume – is also affecting your opinion about Ukraine.

Have you sold your apartments in Ukraine? Maybe it will be a good idea to bite the bullet, sell the apartments and accept the loss. At least you will no longer have any obligations in Ukraine and can fully focus your attention on other areas, i.e. Morocco, which you recommend other mongers to go to.

You haven’t made a report from your Agadir trip. You just write that you “had no problem meeting freebies” and “If P4P is ok, nightclubs are full with models. For 50 dollars, you can have the girl of your dream”. It all sounds very good, but without a report or any photos to back up your words I have a very hard time to take you seriously.

Jojosun
12-05-10, 15:46
Hi Dave,

Thanks, I had a great trip with some very nice girls and nice apartments, too. And yes, the Jacuzzi (and bathroom in full) on Shota Rustavelli was a big success with the girls. Thanks for the tip for this apartment :)

I hope you have just ended a succesful trip yourself, and I hope you will also write a report. However, just remember not to make it sound like you had a perfect trip. Some members might get jealous and/or think you are a liar ;)

MellowThat's a bad advice to Hunter.

Dave should write his reports the way he feels his trip felt for him.

He shouldn't Doctor his reports according to how some members want to read them.

They have a mind of their own, have#nt they?

If they get jealous, then Tough.

Jojosun
12-05-10, 15:59
Mark,

You have been writing negative reports about Ukraine for a long time. I’m very sorry to read them, since I have the opposite view. I can understand you have experienced numerous rejections from Ukrainian girls (especially in Yalta, which you describe as the worst place for Westerns to go to). Furthermore, you have 2 unsellable apartments in Yalta and Kiev, which – I assume – is also affecting your opinion about Ukraine.

Have you sold your apartments in Ukraine? Maybe it will be a good idea to bite the bullet, sell the apartments and accept the loss. At least you will no longer have any obligations in Ukraine and can fully focus your attention on other areas, i.e. Morocco, which you recommend other mongers to go to.

You haven’t made a report from your Agadir trip. You just write that you “had no problem meeting freebies” and “If P4P is ok, nightclubs are full with models. For 50 dollars, you can have the girl of your dream”. It all sounds very good, but without a report or any photos to back up your words I have a very hard time to take you seriously.Mark Harding is having a problem selling his apartments in Kiev, because he is walking around there with a Long Face.

I know in some people in Russia & Ukraine like to eat Horse Meat, but the girls certainly don't like going around with a Long Face.

Hence, his Failure in Real Estate & Mongering in Ukraine.

Jojosun
12-06-10, 13:49
Mark Harding is having a problem selling his apartments in Kiev, because he is walking around there with a Long Face.

I know some people in Russia & Ukraine like to eat Horse Meat, but the girls certainly don't like going around with a Long Face.

Hence, his Failure in Real Estate & Mongering in Ukraine.No offense is intended to anyone here, but the Moral of this, it can happen anywhere even in Agadir Morocco.

A Horse walks into a Bar in Agadir, and orders a drink. The Barman turns and asks him "Why the Long face?"

CallSign Papa
12-06-10, 15:30
I disagree with you Mark.

If you go to any city in the world without doing the right research and without making the right preparations, chances are, you'll fail. Especially if you don't speak the language.

Add to that, the typical outlook and attitude of the average Kiev dyev (cold on the outside, but easy enough to warm up if you know what you're doing) and it makes preparation doubly important. So to me, your comments don't ring true and give an unfair impression to people heading here to research and prepare.

And part of what this forum is about, is earning from others mistakes. Sounds like you made mistakes there (buying a house not withstanding ;) ) and I've certainly made more than my fare share there, luckily they only cost me time and not (too much) money.

So here's what I learned when it comes to being a newbie in Kiev after P4P:

BEFORE YOU GO

1) Mamba/Flirt is your friend. You don't need to know Russian, but you need to know how to be nice and polite, gets you a lot further and gets you more replies. Take as many numbers as your phone can hold, because you're going to need them (girls are notoriously flaky to get hold of, they either don't answer or they say they'll come and then don't, or they're just fantastically late!). Rule of thumb, when you think you have enough numbers, double it, and that might just get you through the first few days.

Only get the numbers of girls you know speak English (assuming you don't speak Russian), because otherwise they'll just hang up on you.

2) First time you go to Kiev, book an apartment and not a hotel, and have the apartment company pick you up (less hassle getting past the taxi scalpers). Apartments are generally quite nice, much much cheaper than the average hotels and have a kitchen and fridge which will come in very useful.

3) Brush up on what bars/clubs to go to. No point going to Buddha Bar or Arena hoping to pick up some cheap studentka, the posh bars have the posh brass, simples. I personally like the Caribbean Club, Barsky and Shooters (which is an excellent "first" bar to try, but get there past midnight). Patipa and D'Lux are places you go after you've secured your girl for the night (imho), if you want to score there, expect to pay dearly.

4) Learn the basic Russian words everyone should know (hello, please, thanks, the bill please, beer please, sex please), it's not difficult and it helps make people a little warmer towards you.

WHEN YOU ARRIVE

1) Make sure that before the apartment check-in person leaves, you have your wireless working, it's your lifeline.

2) Head to a metro station which usually has a phone shop/kiosk and get yourself a local Sim card, this will be your lifeline. Using your own phone is offensively expensive, avoid.

3) Head to the local supermarket, where you can pick up beer, wine, sausages, vodka, caviar and most basic food supplies for a quarter of the price of most European countries. Fill your fridge, the girls I know always eat after sex.

Another tip, the Ukrainian/Georgian champagne is probably less than $10 a pop but it gets treated like the real thing, never had a girl say no to it. Uke boy or Irish Lad can probably say what it's called.

4) If a girl gives you a price, it's the price she wants, not the price she expects. Haggle. In my experience, girls have no respect for guys who are happy to go at any price. But don't haggle too hard, girls don't like a cheapskate, they have those at home.

5) You don't have to be particularly nice to a girl you're paying to screw, and plenty of guys going to kiev for P4P aren't, but the nicer, more polite and more gentlemanly you are, the better your experience will be.

Mostly it's common sense and not 'advice' per se, but if someone had told me all of this before i first went, I'd have certainly got to the good stuff quicker.

Regnom
12-06-10, 19:53
Hi Asian Chaos

I have been reading your report with admiration. I was in Ukraine once 3 years back and only had a passable experience. The girls I met, mostly from RP and GIA are very commercial. I did not know about Mamba at that time. However after your recent reports, I think I might just give Ukraine another try. Like you, I am also more interested in the GFE, wining and dining as experience.

Did you find the hotel or apartment to be better for your game? What apartment and hotel did you finally use?

Your guide. Did they arrange everything or just the clubs. What is their rate and can you give me their contact? Is the hot guide a hit and miss thing or do you tell them you want someone hot? Is there some kind of understanding that the guide is to help you hook up with women? Did you book a table or get a bottle?

What kind of success did you have with the non pro girl from Mamba? What kind of time and financial investment do you have to make?

What fast track company did you use?

Of all the places you played in, will you make another special trip to Kiev just to play?

Thanks

Mellowtrax
12-06-10, 22:29
That's a bad advice to Hunter.

Dave should write his reports the way he feels his trip felt for him.

He shouldn't Doctor his reports according to how some members want to read them.

They have a mind of their own, have#nt they?

If they get jealous, then Tough.
Jojo,

I’m not sure if you caught the irony in my report :) Of course he should write his reports the way he feels. We all should. When I was a newbie I cared a lot about what other thought about my reports (informative, believeable etc.). Now I couldn’t care less.

Simex
12-07-10, 01:12
Mellowtrax,

it's not just irony Jojo doesn't understand. Give him something to mellow out abit....


Jojo,

I’m not sure if you caught the irony in my report :) Of course he should write his reports the way he feels. We all should. When I was a newbie I cared a lot about what other thought about my reports (informative, believeable etc.). Now I couldn’t care less.

Markharding
12-07-10, 01:13
I disagree with you Mark.I respect your opinion. But I still disagree and this is my opinion that you and others ought to respect.

I have a few friends who have stopped hitting the Ukraine and Belarus since 2005. They tried Latin America, they were not impressed. Then they tried Thailand and the Philipine, they were not impressed either.

For the last 2 years, they have been hitting Armenia and Georgia. Last summer they went to Sochumi beach on the black sea in the separatist region of Abkhazia.

To make a long story short, they are extremely happy with the girls there. There are no prostitutes, but plenty of beautiful girl-friends.

The key is to keep the girls hoping that marriage is a real possibility.

It is not ethical, I know. But when I think about it carefully, is financing and encouraging prostitution ethical?

Back to the Ukraine subject, if you read the forum, which is called internationalSEXguide, you will find all sort of articles on how to meet girls in Kiev, how to rent apartments, taxis, trains, what bars to frequent, what restaurants to go to, what food to taste, what beverages to taste, the state of the economy, personal attacks on some members, racial issues. But rarely anything is said about sex itself.

Simex
12-07-10, 01:15
Concur with the Shadow insight...

I usually compete on price...but the best and effective outcome is to compete on quality (then again, this comes at a price too ;-(





I disagree with you Mark.

If you go to any city in the world without doing the right research and without making the right preparations, chances are, you'll fail. Especially if you don't speak the language.

Add to that, the typical outlook and attitude of the average Kiev dyev (cold on the outside, but easy enough to warm up if you know what you're doing) and it makes preparation doubly important. So to me, your comments don't ring true and give an unfair impression to people heading here to research and prepare.

And part of what this forum is about, is earning from others mistakes. Sounds like you made mistakes there (buying a house not withstanding ;) ) and I've certainly made more than my fare share there, luckily they only cost me time and not (too much) money.

So here's what I learned when it comes to being a newbie in Kiev after P4P:

BEFORE YOU GO

1) Mamba/Flirt is your friend. You don't need to know Russian, but you need to know how to be nice and polite, gets you a lot further and gets you more replies. Take as many numbers as your phone can hold, because you're going to need them (girls are notoriously flaky to get hold of, they either don't answer or they say they'll come and then don't, or they're just fantastically late!). Rule of thumb, when you think you have enough numbers, double it, and that might just get you through the first few days.

Only get the numbers of girls you know speak English (assuming you don't speak Russian), because otherwise they'll just hang up on you.

2) First time you go to Kiev, book an apartment and not a hotel, and have the apartment company pick you up (less hassle getting past the taxi scalpers). Apartments are generally quite nice, much much cheaper than the average hotels and have a kitchen and fridge which will come in very useful.

3) Brush up on what bars/clubs to go to. No point going to Buddha Bar or Arena hoping to pick up some cheap studentka, the posh bars have the posh brass, simples. I personally like the Caribbean Club, Barsky and Shooters (which is an excellent "first" bar to try, but get there past midnight). Patipa and D'Lux are places you go after you've secured your girl for the night (imho), if you want to score there, expect to pay dearly.

4) Learn the basic Russian words everyone should know (hello, please, thanks, the bill please, beer please, sex please), it's not difficult and it helps make people a little warmer towards you.

WHEN YOU ARRIVE

1) Make sure that before the apartment check-in person leaves, you have your wireless working, it's your lifeline.

2) Head to a metro station which usually has a phone shop/kiosk and get yourself a local Sim card, this will be your lifeline. Using your own phone is offensively expensive, avoid.

3) Head to the local supermarket, where you can pick up beer, wine, sausages, vodka, caviar and most basic food supplies for a quarter of the price of most European countries. Fill your fridge, the girls I know always eat after sex.

Another tip, the Ukrainian/Georgian champagne is probably less than $10 a pop but it gets treated like the real thing, never had a girl say no to it. Uke boy or Irish Lad can probably say what it's called.

4) If a girl gives you a price, it's the price she wants, not the price she expects. Haggle. In my experience, girls have no respect for guys who are happy to go at any price. But don't haggle too hard, girls don't like a cheapskate, they have those at home.

5) You don't have to be particularly nice to a girl you're paying to screw, and plenty of guys going to kiev for P4P aren't, but the nicer, more polite and more gentlemanly you are, the better your experience will be.

Mostly it's common sense and not 'advice' per se, but if someone had told me all of this before i first went, I'd have certainly got to the good stuff quicker.

Jojosun
12-08-10, 13:11
Mellowtrax,

It's not just irony Jojo doesn't understand. Give him something to mellow out abit. I was going to question you again about your misleading Post (HOT Ukrainian Brothels in London) , but the new updating of the system stopped me.

So you better WORK on your script now, because I am coming back to this subject, before some naive Newbie finds himself on the wrong side of the UK LAW on Prostitution.

Jeankim
12-08-10, 16:52
Someone said avoid club Arena And my place is really close to Arena. I wonder why avoid club Arena?

One thing about money Is it good for me to change all of my dollar to Uah? Or change for half and half?

TheKnight
12-09-10, 05:31
I respect your opinion. But I still disagree and this is my opinion that you and others ought to respect.

I have a few friends who have stopped hitting the Ukraine and Belarus since 2005. They tried Latin America, they were not impressed. Then they tried Thailand and the Philipine, they were not impressed either.

For the last 2 years, they have been hitting Armenia and Georgia. Last summer they went to Sochumi beach on the black sea in the separatist region of Abkhazia.

Mark, I respect your opinion, and if you prefer Morocco, or breakaway Georgian Republics fine, and let's hope you provide some solid information about SEX as you put it.

But I fail to see how you cannot score for a reasonable price. I am heading over again soon, and contacted 20 I liked on Mamba. 13 blatantly offering sponsorship. 7 professing not to. I got replies from over half, and without negotiating offer 600UAH for one hour from 3 of those "wanting a sponsor". $75 for an hour in your own apartment is still pretty good. When I first went I was content to pay $50 from Kyiv Post adverts when all else failed.

I think as Mellow said, the key is to be polite, not too blatant in your first message, and try to at least write a few words in Russian. Actually I find writing Russian words in Latin is better than Cyrillic, because girls assume you use online translator.

But the real message is I think you are wrong about Kyiv. Wonderful girls, sex on tap for 600UAH without negotiating. 750 for 2 hours easily attainable. And a great chance to grab a freebie or two along the way. My last pickup from Shooters, I am almost ashamed to say, I paid 200UAH to.

As is often used in this forum, YMMV. But I believe you are too negative and potential visitors should not be put off if they wish to try for themselves.

Boofer
12-09-10, 16:09
Mark, I respect your opinion, and if you prefer Morocco, or breakaway Georgian Republics fine, and let's hope you provide some solid information about SEX as you put it.

But I fail to see how you cannot score for a reasonable price. I am heading over again soon, and contacted 20 I liked on Mamba. 13 blatantly offering sponsorship. 7 professing not to. I got replies from over half, and without negotiating offer 600UAH for one hour from 3 of those "wanting a sponsor". $75 for an hour in your own apartment is still pretty good. When I first went I was content to pay $50 from Kyiv Post adverts when all else failed.

I think as Mellow said, the key is to be polite, not too blatant in your first message, and try to at least write a few words in Russian. Actually I find writing Russian words in Latin is better than Cyrillic, because girls assume you use online translator.

But the real message is I think you are wrong about Kyiv. Wonderful girls, sex on tap for 600UAH without negotiating. 750 for 2 hours easily attainable. And a great chance to grab a freebie or two along the way. My last pickup from Shooters, I am almost ashamed to say, I paid 200UAH to.

As is often used in this forum, YMMV. But I believe you are too negative and potential visitors should not be put off if they wish to try for themselves. I'm having problems finding sponsorship girls that speak english. Furthermore, there are thousands to go through. All the ones I like are for real members only and I can't get it to send me an sms to become a real member. Furthermore, I've contacted some escorts and they all give BJ with condom. Please advise is christmass time Kiev would be more fun and girls available or maybe the sure thing of Artemis in Berlin.

Gunny822
12-09-10, 16:34
Arrived in Kiev Monday mid-day. Went to the apartment and got on the top modal website. Had phone in hand and by 4 started making and recieving return phone calls. Some did not speak english. Made my first visit by 7pm. Not the girl from the ad, but much more attractive than what the ad had shown anyway. Paid 800 uah. After that went to dinner. Decided after dinner to venture to Shooters. Where by random chance, I met a fellow ISG member. Stayed a shooters till 5 am, drank to much, attempted to go home, got the shake down by the cops and lost a few dollars to them. Many attractive women there, non pro common girls. Met a nice young lady, but failed to attempt to call the next day, my loss.

Next day slept till noon, decided to call the same girl I had seen before. After the alcohol wore off, went for a second visit to her. Just as good as the first visit. Again 800 UAH. Went home and then for a nap.

11 pm my friend from the shooters called, off to the bar I went. From the bar went to Patipa. On the way once again trouble with the local police, this time they got no cash but delayed me about 2 hours that night. Stayed at patipa till about 5am.

About 5 am got to the apartment, fired up the top models site again, got out the phone. Again went for a quick visit in the AM before I left to a different but very attractive girl. Back at the apartment a 9am, shower and off to the airport.

I kept it simple and just phoned girls in the centre.

All in all Kiev was a great trip and I will be returning.

I would like to thank Stevie for pointing out that using the escort service would have been way to much money. Think I spent 2400 UAH for 3 visits to ladies in less than 2 days. Thanks for telling me to open my eyes and do some research before I spent a fortune.

Not to mention had a great time at the bars.

The advice I can give to others is read the fourms and check the recommded websites. There is a lot of knowledge here that can make a trip to Kiev fun and economical.

My friend, you know who you are and I hope you are still enjoying Kiev. Thanks for the help and will wait to hear from you in the future.

Insomniaque
12-09-10, 20:18
Hello, there,

Right, I'm not a pimp, but I thought I would give a hand to two girls I've just met.

Masha. 23, say 1m70 (without heels) , typical blue-eyed, blond-haired Slavic face, slender body, her tits a bit drooping but apart from that she's just nice, and Veronika. 20, maybe 1m65, slender as well, a delicious brunette, fucking mesmerizing dark eyes, so cute, so shy (she's just new in the sex business) , with a smile to make you fall in love and possibly the cutest little ass that I have seen.

So Masha and Veronika have just arrived in Kiev (they are from Donetsk and it's their first time in Kiev) , they are here for a week or so, to make some money which apparently they urgently need, and sadly enough Masha told me they hadn't got many clients so far."Would you like me to give your number to some friends?" I asked."Of course, oh, thank you very much!"

So here I am.

Not everything is perfect. No kissing. No anal. And Masha is a bit of a clock-watcher. And you will need a good deal of patience to make them feel comfortable, don't expect the right-from-the-start thing and don't expect a pornstar experience either. This is not a plan for hardcore gamers, definitely. Having said that, I had a good time with them. Doggystyling and fingering Masha while she was licking her friend's pussy, for instance, was just great.

If you are into rather unexperienced cuties, it's worth trying out. USD150 an hour (for the both of them) is a decent price, I think. PM me if you want the digits.

I post this right now because they are not here for long, so you guys better hurry up. Full report next week.

EasyEase
12-10-10, 14:46
Arrived in Kiev Monday mid-day. Went to the apartment and got on the top modal website. Had phone in hand and by 4 started making and recieving return phone calls. Some did not speak english. Made my first visit by 7pm. Not the girl from the ad, but much more attractive than what the ad had shown anyway.

SNIP.

My friend, you know who you are and I hope you are still enjoying Kiev. Thanks for the help and will wait to hear from you in the future. Hey, still enjoying Kiev, report will follow and hey, it was fun and a pleasure meeting you!

To all members here, police is really tough here at the moment, I have been stopped everyday for ID check! Never hppened to me nowhere like Kiev this time. Keep your original documents with you or you get harrassed at the moment in Kiev!

Stevie69
12-11-10, 19:05
Yes, GIA photos are heavily photoshopped. I have not met ALL the girls, so I could not say which ones are more authentic. Nevertheless, you will get some version of the same girl, perhaps one that looks at least 5 years older than the one in the site. Well, some photos have not been changed for at least 3 years, so that tells you something.

Regarding prices, you should consider GIA prices as the upper limit of action in Kiev, and a good barometre of the economy. Three years ago the prices were 1. 5 to 2 times as much, and now they are offering 30 minutes. If you want to save a little, you can use the Russian version, where the prices are in GRV, and INSIST on that price, not the one in dollars.

BUT much better deals can be found on mamba, top models and VIP dosug. The ONE benefit of GIA is that you will get the girl in the photo, more or less, you will not end up wasting time waiting for and then rejecting girls at your door.


Is anyone used GIA girls before? Which one is less photoshoped and really good looking in reality?

I am into few girls in GIA escort lately and I really like Maria, Yarina, Polina those pic look less photoshoped than other ones. Any suggestion?

And I am going to use one full day with translator who is tour guide type girl but young and 7-6 looking. Met in Mamba. Actually she is professional translator and she is asking me 100 dollar for one day (2pm. 1am) with taxi fee is this good deal? She said average translation cost fee is about 15 USD per hour.

Little Mickey
12-12-10, 09:52
Is anyone used GIA girls before? Which one is less photoshoped and really good looking in reality?

I am into few girls in GIA escort lately and I really like Maria, Yarina, Polina those pic look less photoshoped than other ones. Any suggestion?

And I am going to use one full day with translator who is tour guide type girl but young and 7-6 looking. Met in Mamba. Actually she is professional translator and she is asking me 100 dollar for one day (2pm. 1am) with taxi fee is this good deal? She said average translation cost fee is about 15 USD per hour. Good advice from Stevie69. I used GIA nearly two years ago and the service from agency was very good, it felt like they wanted to keep the reputation they had as a reliable service supplier. So I would be confident that the girl you booked was the girl that arrived. The two girls I booked are no longer there so can't help with specifics but would also agree with Stevie with his view that the actual line-up is probably smaller than it appears.

But I'd offer a slightly different view on photoshop. In my opinion photo doesn't necessarily make a girl look prettier or younger. For me heavily photoshoped pictures make faces look flat and heavy with make-up (almost unnatural). So I always try to imagine what the girl would look like with little or no make-up. In my experience (mostly UK) most girls look better in the flesh than in their pictures.

Unfortunately this only really applies to the face, I find alterations to body shapes much harder to spot and also many girls have their face cropped out or blurred completley so you have no idea what their face shape is let alone try to do the above

Gary Taylor
12-13-10, 07:08
Just left Kiev after spending Friday and Saturday night there. I spent many hours reading this board beforehand, as I have done for many years now, when traveling. However, most of the advice I read was NOT helpful but rather a waste of my time in Kiev. I went to many clubs recommended here that actually had zero activity. Shooters would not let me or my friend in. We don't speak Russian so I'm not sure why. We were dressed as well as the others coming and going. We later were told Shooters is a "regular" club anyway. Avalon is a nice place that was packed wall to wall, but with couples and groups. NO available girls. I only saw two girls not involved with friends, out of hundreds of people. Caribbean Club, nothing happening here. D' Lux, wouldn't let us in. The cabbie said it was a private party, but again, without Russian, I'm not sure why. Another cabbie takes us to some brothel / apartments he knows, but these girls were 4's to 6's, (only 600 UAH / hr) but we wanted the 9's and 10's we've been seeing all day and in the pics online. So we declined both times and went to Arena, which was not well recommended on this board in many posts. Since it was close to 4am it was too late. We saw a couple of hot girls leaving so I think this place has potential, but since it was on the bottom of my list, we got there too late. We tried another place or two with no luck and ended up in a strip club (Rocket) for a few hours. It is small and had a few good looking girls. Most of the girls would not leave with us. They had a back room for private sessions, but only one or two girls were willing to do more than dance. And they weren't the best looking ones. So we went back to our hotel, the Intercontinental, alone. I have never struck out like this anywhere in the world I've been. And I have done my share of traveling. Moscow (Night Flight, HD / Chesterfield's) , Panama (Le Palace, Bodeguita) , Cartagena (LDV) , Medellin, Buenos Aires, Havana, Amsterdam, etc.

I already had names and numbers from Mamba, but I didn't think we would need them with so many clubs.

So for Saturday, we started at 11pm to try a few more clubs named here before we gave up and went to the Mamba girls I had lined up. We went back to Arena, but it doesn't open the upstairs disco (third floor) until midnight. So we went to Buddha Bar. Finally! Heaven! And plenty of English speakers if your not fluent in Russian. It was full of extremely beautiful women and most of them were working / available. It may not have been the cheapest in town but I wasn't wasting anymore time bar hopping. Everything I desired was right here. So I picked out my favorite blonde, Julia. She wanted 300 Euro / 400USD, but I got her stay all night (10 hours) so I'm not complaining.

Buddha Bar also is a restaurant. There will be "regular people" mixed in the crowd, but it's easy to find what you want. I even met some Canadian girls who warned me to be careful because there were a lot prostitutes in the bar. He he he.

If you have plenty of time and speak Russian, then maybe you can do much better at some of those other clubs. Maybe get freebies. But if your time is short and you want plenty of available good looking women in Kiev, then I recommend Buddha Bar and possibly Arena. Julia recommends D' Lux, but said it was more expensive than Buddha as the girls have to pay a large amount to the bar. I wouldn't know, as I couldn't get inside D'Lux.

GuyThatLikesStuf
12-15-10, 02:50
OK. So I am a new guy here but lurked for some info. Now that I have been to Kiev, I thought I would share. I was in Kiev just before T-day for 6 days. Here is what I found.

1) Shooters is where to go if you want to be surrounded by young girls looking to find a rich man. There are pros in the crowd but not so much. I found a nice freebie that was interested in learning more English and having fun. 19 years old and by most scales 7 in looks. I give her an 8 in looks because she was my type. Performance was what to expect for a 19 year old but she stayed all night.

2) Avalon has a mixed crowd of people having fun but also some obvious pros. I took one home on a Thursday. 200USD for all night. Provided a tip in the morning for a taxi. She ate / drank another 50USD in stuff from the minibar. She was the best looking of the pros and she was a true 7 by my scale. 9 for performance. She did Anal even if it is not my thing.

3) I found Arena to have lots of hardcode girls that wanted 400USD for an hour. Some touched the 8 and 9 in looks. They did not like to talk price so I found it difficult and left. Never went back.

4) Buddha bar had another set of the hardcore. Most attractive and some real ugly ones. I took a nice blonde home. We agreed to 1 hour for 150USD. She sucked another 150USD out of me and stayed all night.

5) D'lux had by far the best looking girls and some of them semi-pro just looking for fun. I spent a ton of money on drinks and food and took a 9/9 back home with me. She stayed all night and was easily the best thing going. The final cost was about 300USD in drinks and food plus a pair of Uggs as a gift. She then came along for next night and again it was just for the price of dinner and fun, about 300USD again. (BTW. There is a great Fish Place just off Sophia Square as you walk towards the Opera House)

6) Rio was a total bust. I spent a good amount of money (over 200USD) and talked about "take-out" with zero success on a Monday. Premier Palace has true high end girls that will leave starting at like 500USD. I spent 100USD and a few drinks with girls and left in a hurry as that place was too rich for my blood.

Finally, as to the description of Police activity below, I passed them on the street at all hours of the day and night and never was once stopped. As for face control at clubs, I never was denied entry and I always wore jeans, a nice shirt and black dress shoes. I stayed at the Radisson and was never stopped at the door with a girl and it was always past midnight.

Best of luck. I found Kiev to be a great place to go if you are interested in all night type encounters with multiple pops because that is where the value is.

Insomniaque
12-15-10, 13:04
landing at boryspol around 3pm and 15min later i was already in a taxi on my way to the rus; clearly this new terminal f is a true blessing! as for the transfer and as usual, the touts pouncing on you as soon as you are customs cleared tried to rip me off, and one of them started bullshitting me and claimed uah300 was the normal fare; i showed him my passport with all the ukrainian stamps,"don't you take me for a tourist, please", and we finally agreed upon uah170. i know you can get better rates than this, but i guess you need to know a reliable company; plus i had a business meeting and there wasn't much time to bargain.

due to a massive misunderstanding with a co-worker, however, my first meeting was cancelled, so i was left with some time to kill until 8pm where the next meeting was. let us seize the occasion! i took my mamba list and decided to try out "angelina" as a start. a pure pro by the look of it, but i quite liked the photos (something really slutty in her face, and a delicious-looking ass) , which she insisted were 100% real, and contrary to most profiles, hers was filled with info and even a bit of "poetry" (about passionate sex and astronomical desire and fucking nirvana and that kind of stuff) which had made me quite curious. it was about 5pm, she could be there in one hour, i was expected at 8: perfect timing.

just that at 6pm, i got a sms: "traffic jam. can be there in 20min. okay?" ok, yeah, but hurry up. 20min later: "still stuck, sorry. will arrive in 10." jesus christ. the so-called 10min passed, and obviously i wasn't seeing anything coming so i sent a furious where-the-fuck-are-you message and got the reply: "i still need 15min. what to do?" yes, what to do indeed? i hate to fuck on fast-forward mode, but to give up a shag i have been expecting is something i hate even more; so i told her to come and that we would speed up.

so her taxi eventually arrived (45min delay) and i came down to pick her up. when i opened the car door i thought for a second that i would simply turn her away, as we were nowhere near as the so-called "100% real" pictures, and quite frankly i did not like her face at all. actually, i could not tell whether it was really her or not, maybe the pictures were just outrageously flattering, but in any case it didn't match; on the other hand, i had already had great experiences with girls i didn't quite like in the first place, and i really wanted to fuck right now anyway, so i paid the taxi and off we went.

and then i was stopped by the security. he asked the girl if she had her passport and of course she hadn't, but what was this new passport crap anyway?"i am sorry sir, but if you want to bring guests in the hotel they must have their passport." wtf. i started arguing that i was a regular guest of the hotel, that i had already brought in many guests without having been asked for any passport, etc. but this cocksucker simply would not listen."look, what is it that you want?" and suddenly i figured it out. of course. i took my wallet and gave him uah200 (standard bribe is 150 but i had no change). he nodded obediently."thank you, sir." yeah, right, now just go fuck yourself, will you? i was pissed-off because normally you have to bribe the security at night only; this one was a fucking greedy one. but we were now close to 7pm and again there was no time to complain.

the intercourse itself was average at best. angelina moved rather well, but kissing was not on the menu so this was not quite what i would call "passionate" sex. only doggystyle was nice, her fleshy buttocks bounced rather nicely! apart from that nothing worth mentioning, but i had paid uah600 (+100 taxi back and forth) so it wasn't a big deal. this was just to get the ball rolling.

after our business dinner, a client of mine wanted to hit the avalon, which despite my advice he kept seeing as the best bet now that the salvation army had been dismantled. and i could hardly refuse, for he is my biggest client and expects me to stand by him when he goes on the prowl. now let me get this straight: the avalon sucks. the music was as painful as usual and the place was dead, only a handful of civilians and maybe a dozen of hardcore pros; i recognized a few faces from the rp but they were all from the low-end (at least in my own scale). i got an explanation of this a couple of days later, by another rp girl i saw thereafter (see day 4) : according to her, the avalon's policy is to turn away the hottest pros and to let in only the worn out ones, so that customers won't get away with them and will keep spending their cash in the place. i don't know what the explanation is worth, but anyway there was nothing for us to do here, so i convinced my buddy to move on and check out the vodka bar of which i had heard in this thread.

i liked the vodka bar. firstly, djs are real djs, and compared with what i had just heard before, their set was a true relief. secondly, the place was as lively as the avalon was dead, and thirdly, high-end, high-end, high-end everywhere! i am not sure if there was a lot of pros, though, and if there was indeed, then they were not easy to spot; i would rather see the vodka bar as a (very) good hunting ground for freebies as there were loads of smoking hot civilians. to give you an idea, i remember two of them rubbing against each other, one caressing the tits of the other who was wetting her lips with her tongue! in fact i had never seen civilians acting so naughtily. but i then assumed these belonged to the species trained in one single purpose, to tease you to death all night long and make you spend all your cash and then thank-you-bye-bye-you-dope. so i left the two girls to their show and started dancing with another hottie with whom there was a good eye-contact and a lot of smiles; unfortunately, my mate demanded to leave as he didn't like the place (he is into pure p4p only and finds the freebie path way to painful). i was pissed but had to oblige, and we went back to the avalon (i had forgotten my hat) where we found the dozen pros we had left, and the same deadly atmosphere. we had a last drink and then made it to our respective hotels.

i found myself in my room around 3am, and since i was in the mood for some more action, i decided to have a look on mamba and see who was online. i spotted a profile, decent photos, hello-can-you-come-to-my-hotel-right-now-what-is-your-price, uah600 and she would be there in 15min: let's go! i was not quite sure about the "15min", though; but 15min later there she was indeed, so i came down to meet her; self-evidently, what was here had nothing to do with the photos, save for the hair colour (blond). but i didn't really mind, for this one was rather good-looking and, in fact, pretty attractive; and i had never tried a tall blonde (i prefer them petite) and was willing to try some new things during this trip. so i accepted. i then noticed that there was a brunette sitting next to the driver."is this your friend? what is she doing here, does she want to come?" the blonde looked a bit surprised."you want 2 girls?", she asked."why not, this might be interesting!" this would cost me another uah600. on with the flow!

this turned out to be a not so good idea. the girls were as bad as one another, again no kissing, and all they seemed able to do was to nibble my nipples, like i was really going to get aroused that way. will you please leave my nipples alone, what have they done to you, let's stop that shit and get to the real stuff, please. i then had to pay another uah100 for a mere daty, can you fucking believe that! now i would like to think that i paid because i was drunk and not because i am a complete prick, but the truth is, i am a complete prick. anyway. there was no interaction whatsoever between the chicks, we were miles away for the threesome i had in mind. plus they kept chatting and laughing in russian (even though i was banging them) , to such an extent that it soon became my primary objective to nail them hard enough to make them shut the fuck up. which i eventually achieved, fortunately. but really there was nothing to expect from them, and under normal circumstances i would have been pissed-off, but i was in a cheerful mood: i was drunk and above all, i had missed kiev, was eager to bang as many slavic pussies as i could and willing to make the most of each situation. so i fucked them conscientiously, one after another, without giving a shit about their pleasure, and went to bed with the satisfying feeling of the duty carried out.

oh, i forgot to mention that my security friend asked for another bribe! i am seriously thinking about trying another hotel next time.

Insomniaque
12-15-10, 13:12
Hangover. Too much alcohol, too much tobacco, and too few hours of sleep, maybe 6 or 7 out of the last 48h. And the schedule was pretty busy that day, as a matter of fact I had business meetings from 10am to 18pm non-stop. Nightmare. Consequently I didn't expect anything great from the evening, as it was more than likely that given the fatigue and whatever the orders, private Willy would not pay attention. But as we were on our way to the chicks, my client gave me a blue pill. Hope reborn.

I suggested that we try the Caribbean which has also been mentioned on ISG many times. Well, we didn't like. We found the atmosphere wasn't that great, it's kind of kitschy and makes you feel like in Kherson rather than in Kiev, and I found the music was pretty terrible (although I do like Latin music) , but to each his own. The good thing is, there were more hotties there than in the Avalon, although the overall level was well below the Vodka Bar, and the working girls we spotted for sure were not quite to our liking. But we had a drink nevertheless and spent some time watching. I made eye-contact with a cutie whose face strangely rang a bell (?) and was about to talk to her, when suddenly the music stopped, people left the dancefloor, save for one girl who was told to sit on a chair, and then a chippendale arrived and started doing the show. We decided it was time for us to hit the road.

So we took a taxi to the Arena. Closed. The Arena is always fucking closed.

Then back to the Avalon again (sic.). Tonight there was one pro who was very nice (not two, one). Eye-contact, smile, Hello, do you want to rest with me, what is your price, USD300, you take me for a tourist, okay USD200, for that price I would expect at least two hours, no for two hours USD250, sorry but this is not a fair price. Her smile instantly vanished and she quite rudely turned away. Fine, fuck off. I then saw a civilian on the dancefloor, petite but with huge, massive and in fact, completely fascinating boobs (in an outrageously plunging neckline) , I could not take my eyes off her and kept gazing like Tex Avery's wolf; I tried to dance a bit but there was no eye-contact, what a pity. Meanwhile the rude pro was still looking at me and I was rather confident that she would eventually accept my conditions, as seemingly I was rather to her liking and as there weren't many customers anyway. But my buddy started talking to her as well (did I mention that there was only one good-looking pro in the club?) , accepted her price, and took her away. What a tosser.

So once again I went back to my hotel on my own. And now I wanted to secure a real good shag, since Day 1 had been a bit disappointing. So I sent a SMS to Tanya: "call me as soon as you are free." My mobile rang instantly. That's the way I like it!

I have already talked about Tanya in my first report here. An old RP friend of mine. She has a great body (beautiful curves, very nice hips, amazing ass) and the eyes of a doe, in short she is attractive. It might not be the best value for money: it's USD200 (non negotiable) , and if you can knock at the back door, entrance remains denied. But at least she fucks for real; she likes to have sex and she minds her own pleasure, which personally I really like. She would be there in 10min. Okay, time for the blue pill.

It was the first time I was taking Viagra and I was a bit afraid of the side-effects (I had read a leaflet on the net which was fucking frightening). And as a matter of fact, while Tanya and I were having a drink in my room, I suddenly felt a slight feeling of suffocation, as if my chest was being compressed, and my heart started beating faster (and harder, so to speak). Nothing awful but I was slightly panicked, for I have already had bad trips with drugs (not sex-related) and usually this is how it starts. However, the unpleasant feeling lasted only a minute or so, and then I was back to normal. I didn't notice any other side-effect I expected (head flush, heat, etc.). Regarding the erection itself, well it was quite a normal one: nothing painful (I read it can happen) , and no giant sequoia grew between my legs either; just the kind of erections I have when I am not fucked up, maybe a little bigger, but nothing spectacular.

Anyway it was more than enough for my purpose, and we got started. DATY. 69, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl; we then tried a missionary (in fact I don't know if it's still called a missionary when you put your arms behind the girl's legs?) but she started to have spasms in her thighs, as if she was not comfortable. So we carried on with a good old doggy, nice and slow. And then she started screaming."Yes, oh, it is good!" I am not a big fan of that kind of encouragements, and was about to ask her to stop simulating when I figured that, actually, she was not simulating! So I kept up with the good work, very slow, very deep. Now she was just yelling out, the spasms had intensified and were shaking her whole body, and when she climaxed, without doubt all the bloody hotel was advised of it. She kept shivering several minutes after the orgasm."I had good orgasm!", she said to me happily. I bet you have! Kind of impressive to witness, I have to say.

As for me, I was nowhere near as an ending. The drugs kept me hard, but probably because I was tired, I could not come. We had to end with a handjob; I don't know if it was due to the Viagra, or merely because I had banged her for quite a while, but it was really strong for me as well!

Insomniaque
12-15-10, 13:19
Nice hangover again. Fortunately it was a day-off, and I could focus all my attention on this important goal: to get my first (real) threesome.

Before coming, I had selected a bunch of Mamba girls with girlfriends, but my experience with the two useless girls on the first day had made me figure out something I had overlooked: that you have two girls at a time does not necessarily imply that there will be action (I mean lesbian action) , it takes more than two so-called "girlfriends" to get a real threesome. So I systematically sent the same message to all the Mamba potential candidates: is there any "lesbi show" on the menu (kissing, licking etc.)? Most did not bother to reply, some asked for a ridiculous premium (double price) , and one said "yes". Viktoria and her girlfriend Anna would do the thing for the price we had already agreed upon, or nearly the same (USD150 instead of 130). Their photos were not the ones I preferred, but I knew exactly what I wanted; better average-looking girls with a lot of good will than stunners who just wait for the fucking time to go by. So we had a deal.

Initially, I had scheduled the meeting early in the afternoon, but I rescheduled it at 5pm since I was not feeling very well and still needed some rest, and also because I thought another pill would help. So I looked for the pic of the Ukrainian Viagra HunterDave had posted somewhere in this thread and went to an apteka. Naturally the girls in the store didn't talk a single word of English, so when I showed them the pic (which I had downloaded on my mobile) and they started explaining something, I could not have the slightest idea of what is was about. Eventually I had to choose between the French Viagra (UAH565 for 4 pills of 100mg) and the Indian one (half the price). This might have been a silly prejudice, but I said to myself "don't put your health in jeopardy" and I took the costly one. Tough shit. Afterwards I went to a phone shop and bought a Life SIM card for my second phone as I hadn't had the time yet, and went back to my room for a pseudo-nap.

I don't recall how late my chicks were (45min? 1h?) , but late they were indeed. I came down as usual to meet my package, and as usual the photos didn't match at all, nor the names for that matter (Anna and Viktoria had been replaced with Masha and Veronika). Except that this time it was a fucking upgrade! I stared at them in disbelief. The blonde was nice, and the brunette was fucking superb! Holy shit! They were so much better than the pictures that I thought for a sec that these were just not mine, and that maybe someone else in the hotel had ordered them. I took them to MY room quickly!

This time it was rather painful to get started. I am not sure whether they really played the watch, or if they simply lacked experience and were a bit afraid, but the drinks-cigs-bla-bla-bla moment was pretty long. Finally I had to be a bit brusque and show them the way to the shower, and Masha then said,"There's only 10min left, we don't have time, do you want to take another hour for sex?" Mmmm, not quite fair, is it? But they were hot and I really wanted to try them out.

And I don't regret it (although once again there was no kissing and no back door access). They started blowing me each in turn while I caressed their back and played with their pussies, not a bad start. Then Dinner At Veronika's Y, while Masha was licking her friend's tits. I had licked Veronika for a while, when I realised I was completely neglecting Masha. Gentlemen don't do such things. While keeping up with the brunette, I started masturbating the blonde, then fingered her and, much to my delight, I found out she was quite wet! So I had Masha replace me between Veronika's legs, and started shagging her doggystyle. What a great view! I didn't know where to look! Veronika was moaning quite nicely, but Masha was moaning harder, she was breathing heavily now, so I masturbated her again while I was still banging her from behind, and she came very quickly. So nice! She needed some rest at this point, so I switched to Veronika and there again, it was great. This girl was so fucking sensual! Truly fucking incredible look, plus she moved really really well. I ended in an unforgettable cowgirl. So far I was not keen on that position, but this hottie made me change my mind!

Not bad at all, for a first threesome! Maybe not the shag of the year, but definitely the shag of this trip. My only regret is that I explored only a few possibilities; I think I should have booked them twice.

Afterwards, I had dinner and then off to bed. I was too tired to hang out, however shameful it may be to spend a night in Kiev sleeping.

Insomniaque
12-15-10, 13:27
The first mission of the day was to get some good anal (at a decent price). I reviewed my Mamba contacts and eventually chose a certain "Rita", with very nice pics (not quite a stunner, but a real slutty look) , offering anal for UAH450. Only that I had to go to her place, she was not making outcalls."Well, this is something I have never tried", I thought."Let's see where it ends."

I will not get into details regarding how painful it was to get hold of this one ("Call me later please","Call me back in 5 min.","Call me back in one hour", et fucking cetera). Let's just say that I wasted an awful lot of time. I probably should not have insisted and switched to another one in the list, but A-Level is actually pretty rare. Anyway. It took me nearly an hour to get to the place, which was quite far away from the centre, and when the driver told me we had arrived, I thought I would ask him to bring me back to Kreshatyk straight away."Man", the little voice in my head said,"this is not how you want to die." Lugubrious housing development, poor people and self-evidently, not a single tourist in the vicinity. What the fuck am I doing here. But I paid the taxi nevertheless and started looking for the apartment (which was very hard to find, I had to call the girl maybe 20 times and eventually she had to come down and pick me up in the street).

As you no doubt have guessed, the girl in question was not the one on the photos, and she didn't even talk English (she barely understood "yes" and "no") so it wasn't her I had talked to on the phone either, although the Mamba profile had the "Real" status and proudly claimed: "no crap". I followed her and soon found myself in a gloomy, cheap apartment with a strange and rather unpleasant smell. Good start. She managed to tell me that anal cost +200 (which naturally she had failed to tell me before). I paid, had a shower and we got started.

As it turned out, the girl also had a strange and rather unpleasant smell. Her skin was sticky, her pussy hairy (oh my god) and the DATY tasty. (Do you remember your last shower, honey?) And she was a total freak. Making faces and awkward noises like a baby, wanting to switch positions every 20 seconds, and gesticulating as if she had put the fingers in a socket. Jesus, fucking, Christ! The oddest and most pointless intercourse of my entire sexual life. I don't know why I came, I don't know why I stayed, and I fucking don't know how I managed to do it. Having said that, if you are into strange (and dirty) things and want to try something new, feel free to PM, I have something right for you.

After this disturbing experience, I managed to find a taxi to bring me back to my hotel for my next meeting, another Mamba girl I had just spotted in the morning. I had made a good calculation (taking into account this bloody traffic jam) and was exactly on time. And naturally she wasn't. We exchanged calls and SMS for half an hour ("I'll be there in 15min.","I'll be there in 5min.","I'm only 50m away now", etc.) until she simply stopped responding. No show. My first one, and a very strange one, for she had called me right before taking her cab to reconfirm our meeting. This last day was definitely a lucky day.

I then called my freebie no. 1. This one was very keen on me, we had chatted for nearly 3 months and I was quite keyed up about that meeting; I was expecting a night to remember. I had already called her that day and was supposed to call her back in the evening so that we would decide where to meet. And now she was simply not picking up her bloody cell phone. Superb. I switched to freebie no. 2, whom I was supposed to meet the night before but who had "forgotten" she had already something planned. But she was available this evening, after dinner. So I had a quick dinner (I mean "quick" as per Ukrainian standards, that is to say pretty slow) at the hotel and then took the metro (I would not have been on time with a cab because of the traffic) to meet her near Independence Square. Unfortunately she was not what I expected, her pics were real but flattering, so I didn't push much. We just had a pint together and a nice talk, and that was it.

Everything had gone wrong, so once again I decided to avoid surprises and to secure something good. I was fed up with Mamba tricks, fed up with clubs, so I called Nika (my other RP friend) , who fortunately was readily available. She was in fact very happy that I called and arrived at my hotel exactly at the time she had said.

Nika belongs to that sort of girls who are much more beautiful during sex than the rest of the time. She's got a passionate and somehow sluttish look, and keep gazing at you all the time, and I fucking love that. I swim in her eyes from start to end (the doggy would be a pity here). She kisses passionately as well, something I had missed during this trip. I had been a bit reluctant to call her, firstly because of the rate (although I knew Nika would gladly spend the night with me) , and secondly, because she had been my most disturbing GFE, which had been a bit too complicated to handle, if you see what I mean. But now that she was there I was quite happy, and we had a very nice evening: nice chat, long sex, with a pause in the middle where she offered me a really great photo session (which unfortunately you guys will not see as I made a promise). She really saved the day!

Epilogue.

All in all, it's been a good trip. Bad shags (and a traumatic one) but also very nice sessions, and I have diversified, I'm quite happy to have tried new things. And it has been very formative as well, and I now can formulate these Golden Rules:

1. Do not trust the girls.

2. Do not trust the girls. Of course I had RTFF and knew what to expect (delay, no show, no match etc.) ; it's just that I had completely underestimated the problem. Mamba is a flight-by-night. None of the girls I managed to meet did match the photos. Real status,"100% my photos", etc: it's all bullshit. And only one of them was on time. As far as I can see, the only way to prevent chicks from fucking up your schedule is to line up 2-3 girls at a time and pick up the one you like best (assuming that all show up). Not fair for the honest girls but hey, war is war. Let's call this collateral damage.

Also, I have already said it but I must repeat myself: the River Palace is a fucking loss. None of the present clubs stands comparison. It's true that I have not yet tried out the Arena and the Buddha Bar, though. And that I am way too tanned to enter Shooters.

One last thing worth mentioning: I could not use my second phone with the Ukrainian SIM card (I suppose it was simlocked) and it made things much more complicated, as it seems that depending on their phone provider, some chicks cannot send SMS to a foreign mobile.

Oh, and another thing: my buddy and I were stopped by the police on day 2 (on Independence Square). I had my passport and the hotel key, so there was nothing they could do. But my mate didn't have his passport so I thought things would turn wrong; but he just told them he was staying at the Intercontinental where his passport was, and that they were most welcome to come and see for themselves. To my surprise, they didn't insist and let him go.

Poisson1
12-15-10, 22:28
It has been the cheapest fuck in my 10 last visits to Kiev: 400 grivna (50$) but has been the worst in terms of service, pleasure etc. Contacted on mamba. As soon she arrived I noticed that she was not exactly the girl on the photos but looked like her. Then asked immediately for money (rang an alarm in my head but ignored it). Then spent like 10min in bathroom. Fuck session with no feeling just like a robot. Then started packing to leave after 30min although agreed for 1h. Went in a shouting sesssion with her and kicked her out.

Give peanuts and you get monkeys. I'd rather spent more for the good time.

Mamba link: http://flirt.com.ua/werta9911/

Phone number: *6225

Mellowtrax
12-15-10, 23:23
Insomniaque,

Thanks for your detailed and, most of all, very honest report. I really enjoyed reading about all your experiences. Allow me to make a few comments.

1) Taxi fare. Negotiating the price down to 170 UAH with the Boryspil inbreed taxi drivers is very good.

2) Hotel security. That is a fucking joke with the bribes. Why don't you consider an apartment next time?

3) Bait and switch. I agree with you, it's very normal, especially if you haven't corresponded with the girls in advance. Most times the switch is a downgrade, but sometimes you are lucky to get an upgrade (like your second threesome).

4) When you get a bait and switch, the standard price is usually the same as agreed with the bait (agency) you spoke with. However, the services are not. Therefore, you should always confirm the services and total price with the switch BEFORE giving her the money.

5) Viagra. The name of the Ukrainian Viagra is '&1055; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1085; &1094; I&1072; &1083; &1077; ' (pronounced 'Potentsiale') .50 or 100 ('Sto') milligrams. The girls in the apteka probably agreed to sell the horny, non-Russian speaking foreigner the most expensive pills.

6) It sounds like your second threesome really played the watch. 50 minutes is way too long for cigarettes and drinks before the action, but I don't blame you. The same has happened for me too.

7) 450 UAH for anal. This should have been the first sign that something was wrong. Besides that, I'm happy you survived your 'incall' visit. Kiev suburbs are not the place to be for foreigners with a tanned skin.

Pkvrpckvv
12-16-10, 00:31
I am heading over again soon, and contacted 20 I liked on Mamba. 13 blatantly offering sponsorship. 7 professing not to. I got replies from over half, and without negotiating offer 600UAH for one hour from 3 of those "wanting a sponsor"... Hey, first post. I'm sifting through Mamba right now in advance of a road trip coming up in a few months from Vladivostok to EU (through Ukraine of course). Feel free to give me the ol' RTFF, I probably deserve it, but. Any Mamba-specific tips would be greatly appreciated. Do you guys just search for girls looking for "sex" (I'm talking P4P here, not freebies) , or widen your nets and look for all? I've found there are typically 20x more girls out there not specifically looking for sex on Mamba, and obviously more choice = better options, but I don't know whether it's worth going down that route.

Also, for those not specifically looking for sponsorship, do you start out innocuously with the correspondence or just go straight for the proposition? I have no experience with FSR girls and don't know what they react to and whether the ones not looking for sex / not looking for sponsorship are open to that kind of thing.

I don't know if I'm asking for trade secrets or similar, feel free to tell me off. There just seems to be an awful lot of useful guidance and play-by-play details when it comes to P4P in clubs, etc; but since a lot of the semi-pro UA and RU action starts with Mamba (or similar), I thought it would be helpful (for me at least?) to get some insight here on what works and what doesn't, what's worth looking into and what's not.

Uke Boy
12-16-10, 16:40
Insomniaque,

Thanks for your detailed and, most of all, very honest report. I really enjoyed reading about all your experiences. I want to second these sentiments. These are a completely honest and very true assessment of the situation here.

Insomniaque you certainly have gained my admiration in your most determined attempt to meet with someone in a very dodgy neighborhood. There are more than a few of these here and someone who is does not look like the rest of the locals has the potential to end up in trouble not of his own making.

Just to emphasize, unless you speak language and / or really know the city well, stick to the center. Make sure that if you meet someone via Mamba that meetings are at your hotel or apartment, not theirs.

Poisson1
12-16-10, 23:59
After the catastrophic experience of last night (see previous post) , I went again on Mamba to find a deal. This time I focused on a slightly "older" segment (25-28 years). My expectation is that this older segment should provide a better service given the competition of younger ones. After several searches, I found nadia a 26years old writing perfectly english. I negotiated 100$ for 2hours + 100grivna for taxi. She told me she'd need 30min to come to my place (very center close to Arena). She rang at my door after 1 hours. Picture was different of course but she looked nice and friendly, slim body. The usage of google translate with cyrillic keyboard & spoken audio was of great help. You can even use it to give instruction on the phone.

Wha to say: great great blowjob (not covered) while playing with my nipples, licking balls etc. All very sensual and she got very quickly wet when fingerd. Breast is small but very sensitive. She likes sex and I really enjoyed it. I came twice in 1 hour. I was exhausted after a busy week. I asked her that I'd cancel the 2nd hour. She did not protest and sait it's OK. Gave her 50$ +200grivna. I'm going to call her next time I visit Kiev for sure.

I wanted to put the link to mamba but the site is down. Will update later.

Insomniaque
12-17-10, 09:57
Thanks Mellowtrax and Uke Boy for your comments on my report, feedback is always appreciated.

I admit that venturing into the suburbs was not the best idea I ever had. Not only did it make me waste a lot of time, but I imagine things could have turned spectacularly wrong as well. I remember two youngsters (it is worth mentioning that they were way taller than me) staring at me like I was going to be their next pastime. There is also a god for fucking idiots, it seems.

Another issue I think is that I am a bit too softy with the chicks, I need to work on that and get tougher. By the way, I do not see how some of you fellows manage to pay the girls only after service? Most of the girls I have met so far would not even go to the bathroom until they get the money.

Regarding the apartment option, I wish I had it, but I am always in Kiev on business trips and the company pays for hotels, and I hardly see how I can explain to my boss that I need an apartment in Kiev. Would draw attention a bit, wouldn't it?

The other thing I am pondering over is that my best experiences so far were also the most expensive ones. My best Slavic shag ever was with a Rio girl; RP girls would rank second; Mamba girls come third. But it might be a mere coincidence.

An interesting point: there are girls on Mamba who have nearly the same rates as the RP girls (USD150-200) ; I have talked to a couple of those while doing my homework. When I said that their price was not in line, and that there were plenty of fish in the Dnepr which I could have at a lower cost, they retorted that the pics simply were not real; surely I had never seen such girls? Now I think I see what they meant.

Uke Boy
12-17-10, 14:38
I admit that venturing into the suburbs was not the best idea I ever had. I remember two youngsters (it is worth mentioning that they were way taller than me) staring at me like I was going to be their next pastime. There is also a god for fucking idiots, it seems.

Another issue I think is that I am a bit too softy with the chicks, I need to work on that and get tougher. By the way, I do not see how some of you fellows manage to pay the girls only after service? Most of the girls I have met so far would not even go to the bathroom until they get the money.

Regarding the apartment option, I wish I had it, but I am always in Kiev on business trips and the company pays for hotels, and I hardly see how I can explain to my boss that I need an apartment in Kiev. Would draw attention a bit, wouldn't it?

An interesting point: there are girls on Mamba who have nearly the same rates as the RP girls (USD150-200) ; I have talked to a couple of those while doing my homework. When I said that their price was not in line, and that there were plenty of fish in the Dnepr which I could have at a lower cost, they retorted that the pics simply were not real; surely I had never seen such girls? Now I think I see what they meant. You did dodge a bullet in the suburbs. I am sure there will be no repeat of that experience. Once you drive more than 10 minutes out from the center (without one of those rare traffic jams!) , it is already time to turn back.

The payment issue is a funny one. That is more what the girl wants sometimes based on what may have happened to her in the past. Three are guys who run after the event and not pay so prepayment becomes mandatory. Others just simply will give bad service, try to do the least and paying in advance makes you feel like an idiot. Your demanding payment after the fun may well create an incident which you do not need.

Tougher should mean "here's the money, now start what you are being paid for and use your mouth and body as I want it and don't talk until I am finished." It is an attitude that they will understand and respond to.

You might want to look at talking to your bosses about long-term apartment rental options in Kiev if you (or others) come in often enough. You could tell them that you could check out apartments, prices and amenities a few times before committing to something. The hotels are way overpriced and this may be a more cost-effective option for your company. Then, let the real fun begin.

My naive boy. ALL girls on Mamba lie, ESPECIALLY the ones who say they do not. Even their pictures are heavily retouched or fakes. Most often you have to ask for real pictures and even then many are also fakes. It turns into a lottery but in the end, there is always one thing you can always do if the girl who arrives is the one not in the picture. Send her away and don't even pay for the cab fare.

Stevie69
12-17-10, 17:34
Now she is doing it honestly, m at least. She turned up at top models, as an "elite" escort, but havign met her, I figure it will be the do not touch here, do not do that, type of sex.

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=4637#f9


Interesting. This girls some time ago wrote me in mamba for few days. She contacted me and was very friendly. I asked her under which base she decided to write me, what she liked in me and she said: "I write to all the men with passable photos and taller than 175". I asked why, what was her goal. She said "looking for a husband". I was puzzled but didn't care too much. However she really seemed nice to me, and didn't want to give her phone. After some days she asked me why I was writing in latin letters, and why I had an accent. I explained that I was a foreigner and she dropped me. I tried to contact her again but she has stopped to read my message.

Thanks to you now I know that I have not lost anything. At the contrary, maybe I have been lucky.

Snowy
12-18-10, 01:00
Thanks Mellowtrax and Uke Boy for your comments on my report, feedback is always appreciated.

Regarding the apartment option, I wish I had it, but I am always in Kiev on business trips and the company pays for hotels, and I hardly see how I can explain to my boss that I need an apartment in Kiev. Would draw attention a bit, wouldn't it?

Insomniaque.

Apartments really shouldn't raise an eyebrow with your boss, even for a short-term visit. The cost difference is huge and I've found the subsequent savings are more likely to get you praise than raise any issues. I travel most months to Kiev for work and part of the reason I pick up and retain a lot of the work I get is because I bring in my travel costs so much lower than other people. If people do ask why you can genuinely say it's just a different culture here regarding hotels / apartment, which is true.

For a recent 5 day trip I charged $1500 in expenses covering flights from London, taxis and hotels (and in truth put a 100% mark-up on this) and I still came in $3500 less than my client was expecting. Vs the Hyatt, Premier Palace et al, you'll save something like a minimum of $300 per night even before you get into room service, internet charges etc. There are several solid apartment companies out there and you just need to make sure they check the internet is all set-up and working before your driver disappears. Ignoring the obvious fringe benefits, I genuinely find it a better environment to work in.

HungryStud101
12-19-10, 17:03
I already had names and numbers from Mamba, but I didn't think we would need them with so many clubs.

So for Saturday, we started at 11pm to try a few more clubs named here before we gave up and went to the Mamba girls I had lined up. We went back to Arena, but it doesn't open the upstairs disco (third floor) until midnight. So we went to Buddha Bar. Finally! Heaven! And plenty of English speakers if your not fluent in Russian. It was full of extremely beautiful women and most of them were working / available. It may not have been the cheapest in town but I wasn't wasting anymore time bar hopping. Everything I desired was right here. So I picked out my favorite blonde, Julia. She wanted 300 Euro / 400USD, but I got her stay all night (10 hours) so I'm not complaining.

Buddha Bar also is a restaurant. There will be "regular people" mixed in the crowd, but it's easy to find what you want. I even met some Canadian girls who warned me to be careful because there were a lot prostitutes in the bar. He he he.

If you have plenty of time and speak Russian, then maybe you can do much better at some of those other clubs. Maybe get freebies. But if your time is short and you want plenty of available good looking women in Kiev, then I recommend Buddha Bar and possibly Arena. Julia recommends D' Lux, but said it was more expensive than Buddha as the girls have to pay a large amount to the bar. I wouldn't know, as I couldn't get inside D'Lux. Jesus Christ Kiev sounds tough. I was there last year for a night and I couldn't get any of the agencies to pick up at 1 AM and the girls in the bar would not do sex!

I love your story about the Canadian girls that gave you the warning about the girls being prostitute. That just happened to me in Hong Kong. I was warned by an american girl that many of the girls in Thailand (where I was heading the next morning) were prosititutes and some were Ladyboys. I asked her if she wanted to have a drink with a fellow American. She said maybe in a little bit. 45 minutes later she was on her way to cash in the chit for the promised drink. At the time I was walking out with two 20 year old Chinese girls (one dressed in a sexy school girl outfit) on the way up to my room for a 3sum. You should have seen the American woman's face. I just laughed.

Don't you love mongering!

TheKnight
12-19-10, 19:12
Just want to echo the comments for Insomniaque: his report will be of great benefit to many I believe. It paints the picture as it is, and serves as a warning as Uke Boy has said, for most of us to stay away from the suburbs. Being also from the stupid / adventurous branch of mankind, I cannot resist an odd trip to the left bank in search of unpicked cherries, or at least slightly less hammered. I've been to clubs (Tato, X-club and a couple I forgot the name of). But generally the locals do stare (and I am white) and even in a club you feel more vulnerable, even if with a wingman.

I've been out to Idropark and Viktory park with girls for meetings, Sashlik etc, and that's fine, but again the fact you're obviously non-slavic with a local girl draws the stares.

If you are intent on heading to new lands take all the usual precautions, and be alert.

Only once have I been far away from centre for an incall with a girl from internet, it was Topmodels, but it was in daytime, and I was fine. Sex was average. Did not report here.

About Mamba. I have been fairly lucky. Four girls were definitely same as in photo, and only two bait and switch. One was sent on her way, the other was good and invited inside.

How to start searching someone asked: if advance planning I always do a general search and as I said before write a general few words about liking Kyiv, asking if they are studentka and seeing what response happens. Then I follow it up with "skoilka" question to those blatantly offering services, and the others are regarded as potential freebies. I try to find out more and then try to set up a meet. I ALWAYS ask for photos to be emailed to prove they are real. If it's short term need for sex there isn't time for all that B-sh*t and obviously you just accept a high chance of bait and switch, but make it clear you'll send the girl away without taxi fare if she is not good.

Each visit I meet with at least 2 more Mamba potential freebies and decide whether I would like to pursue it, normally yes, because I have done a lot of ground work.

I will post my own report and update in a few minutes after latest visit to Kyiv.

TheKnight
12-19-10, 19:50
This trip I have been fortunate to have 2 regular girlfriends and one other friend who I started a sexual relationship with. All freebies. But being in Kyiv and being of the type who cannot resist a new blondinka (or brunetka!) and seeing a free hour as an opportunity for more pussy, I decided that the savings from the freebies would be put to use on the clubs, and it was about time I update the information first hand.

I hope some of the following is helpful, especially for mongers who do not have time or abillity to use Mamba.

1) Rios. Much written about before. Has its own website in ENglish and Rus, which will tell you directions and phone number should you need it. Pasha is the manager. 100UAH entry. I prefer downstairs, but often they try to tell you it's full. This is when it's worth asking or Pasha, and he will sort you out with a bar seat at least usually. If you are going it's worth calling, asking to speak to him, and reserve a table.

3 dancers per time downstairs, drinks not stupidly expensive, but not cheap. Topless only.

Private dance available, some touching allowed depends on girl.

Takeout. It's up to the girl. Fixed price still $300. So invite a girl over, be polite, discover more about her, and then pop the question. I usually don't even buy a drink. One girl rejected me, but second, Safiye (not Sofiya) , accepted, and she was actually better looking. She came back to apartment and was insatiable, again a real gem from Rios. Oral without, not even requested, just given. I always start by going down on them, I think it increases my chances of getting BBBJ. She stayed over 4 hours: we were both knackered, sex 6 times I think, but last time I had to cum by hand. When we said goodbye she gave me her vkontakte and mobile contacts. On her homepage it states she's ina relationship with a Greek student who's studying in Kyiv. Sorry if you're reading this!

But inevitably it can be hit and miss in Rios. Second visit was for a swift take out, and this time I went for a total model type, I struggle with remembering names if it's not a fantastic shag, because they are never real names they use anyway! I think it was Natalya / Natasha, but sure there's a Natasha working in Rios every night. But she was a straight 10 without a doubt. And she was prefectly nice back at apartment, and gave decent service. But one gets spoiled by freebies and gems from places like Rios. So when a model blondinka gives you multiple orgasms over 3 hours, but the oral's covered, I find myself starting to wish it was the previous girl instead of reminding myself I am fucking someone who would cost $3000 in US or £500+ in UK.

Rios Verdict: Still the best club for me, high chance of great service.

In between my Rio visits I had managed to go to Red Lion cabaret club on Kreshchatyk. I think it was 150UAH entrance, and then all the girls come and dance one by one on the pole, and most come up to you to give a sort of mini topless private dance in exchange for a tip.

Be warned, they expect 50UAH and it can get very expensive if you give them all 50. I suggest shaking your head if girl starts to approach but you don't like her, and then she knows. Sometimes they will carry on anyway, sometimes finish their dance on the pole. It's all quite tame, and generally the girls are nowhere near the standards of Rios. But in the interests of research for the board I went through the price list. $200 for one hour in the club with a girl, $300 for two hours, and $400 to take her out all night.

Red Lion Verdict: Steer clear. Expensive and no good enough quality to justify the outlay.

Solid Gold Gentleman's Club: Bessarabska, Arena Complex. Sure most of you guys have seen the big red and gold neon sign on the wall as you've walked around Bessarabska. But cannot recall having read anything on here, so went to investigate. You can get free entry flyers sometimes, or even discount vouchers on some maps I believe. Otherwise entrance is 150UAH. Same as Red Lion. I checked before I paid it was possible to take girls out. "the, konechno" but you must talk to girl. Which as it transpired isn't strictly true. Prices are fixed and identical to Red Lion. This is a new club, and very plush. Top end table dance style joint, like a Rhino, but I preferred it. I had only one red bull for 45UAH for the 50 minutes I was there. One big stage, girls give good dances one by one, albeit only topless. Very nice selection of girls, about 16 I think when I went in there and it was dead. One table of 3 guys with girls and they went after I'd been in for 10 minutes.

Called across a beautiful teenager. 19yo studentka, we talked, she was great fun, I refused the slightly too hasty request from the waitress to buy her a drink, so asked for a private dance instead, to see how I thought she'd be. Well it was in my top two of private dances, excluding Prague and Tallinn where I got blow jobs. She freed my cock from my boxers, through my trousers, and sucked it through my trousers. I could not wait any longer, so asked her to stop and come with me to apartment. She took 400UAH from me for 2 dances (200 per song, so beware, pricey!). Then at the table she gave the price breakdown, $200 for one hour, $300 for 2 hours, $400 for all night. As it was about 2. 30 and dead, I said if I take you for two hours, you won't have to come back will you? She agreed, and I said well, let's say 2 hours, but you'll have a good time and I expect you to stay longer. She did. BBBJ to completion. Finally left my apartment at 1000, and again gave vkontake and mobile contact. She was my best experience of the 12 day trip. But surprisingly despite being very eager to keep in touch, she has not responded positively to SMSs since, so I guess I should just be thankful for a great night.

Solid Gold Verdict: Nice club, good looking girls, expensive, but if you punt carefully you'll have a good time.

In addition there were 4 other new set-ups this trip. I. E. First meetings with girls I've been writing to from Mamba and other sites. Two will be just friends, but two have great potential. One girlfriend was binned during this trip, which freed up more time for me.

I did not visit many other places this trip. O'Briens and Shato still have some pros. One ordinary girl told me her price was €400 whereupon I almost split my beer! She came down to $100, but I still passed (glad I did as that proved to be my first Rio visit). Arena I had to go with a client. Same as usual. Too pretentious, too expensive, the place and the girls. Some good eye candy, some semi pros and normal girls, but all on the hunt for $$$

Buddha Bar I dislike more each time I visit. Vodka Bar (inside Globus, Maidan) rocks for eye candy. No. 1 in Kyiv for me this trip, but yes, not sure about potential p4p as I was with gf.

TheKnight
12-19-10, 20:00
http://minuet.biz/girl/4612 (photos in photo gallery)

Took my chance with this "girl"/site. It's an agency number, they speak English, ask which girl you want, and despatch her. $100 for an hour, but I made it clear if she wasn't the right girl she was not getting taxi fare."I send you the best" was the response!

She was indeed different girl from fotkii, but not much different, and this girl was indeed stunning. Oralny see preservativ, but no complaints about the rest. Said her name was Dariya for the agency, but real name Ira / Irina. Some of you may think her too thin, but for my tastes, a blonde 20yo from Simferopol with tiny siskii but huge nipples fitted the bill perfectly. Expensive for Kyiv, but better than many of my 500/600 UAH Mamba conquests.

HungryStud101
12-20-10, 16:16
Good Sir Knight, Guy-who-can't-sleep, Uke Boy, Steve, Snowy.

I have a chance to return to Kiev next year and I would like to sample more than Chicken Kiev and Borsch and the world's best vodka. I want to be prepared to sample the sexy woman.

I hear about Mamba etc and I can not read the Cyrillic alphabet let alone speak or read Rus or Ukrainian. How can an english speaking guy get laid in the Ukraine?

Any links to an English version of Mamba or something?

AZN Monger
12-20-10, 22:42
Background: I'm in my very early 30's, and not quite the typical monger. I stumbled on this site by accident years ago and was fascinated by the reports and pictures. I have a number of CIS friends in the USA and abroad and have visited Belarus a number of times. I know basic Russian and I'm pretty in-shape and decent looking (or I tell myself). This is my first time in Ukraine.

Accommodations: I have never rented a hotel in any of the CIS countries. After visiting Belarus and getting an apartment there through my friends, I was pretty intent on doing the same thing in Kiev. I stayed at a flat about 15 minutes of walking distance to K Street. I could have rented a flat for $50-60 a night, but wanted something a little more upscale, but the cost was still reasonable at $100+ or so.

Women: Ukrainian women are very beautiful, and rank in line with their Belarusian and Russian counterparts. Their personality are somewhat different, but overall, they're all the typical Soviet Union standard. The P4P women are a lot better looking than what you can find in the USA and if you're not foolish, a lot cheaper than them too. The freebies (especially in the 21-35) range, for the most part are mainly interested in someone within their age range. A little older is okay. Speaking Russian to some degree is important. If you fit that description, you'll do very well here with effort. If not, I recommend the girls who are semi-pros or ones that are looking for sponsors and not hardened like some of the pros.

Kiev: The city is a lot less expensive than Moscow, but a bit more expensive than Minsk. Food, drinks and taxi are still extremely cheap by Western standards. The city is very beautiful with its mix of Stalinist architecture and modern / remodeled buildings. A bit of old and new mixed into one. It's not as clean or safe as Minsk, but then again, nothing is as clean or safe as Minsk, but you'll feel a lot more at home than Moscow. The people overall are friendly and receptive, and not quite as fascinated with foreigners as they were 20 years ago.

Night Life: Kiev is alive almost at all hours and clubs open until the wee hours of the morning. Thursday through Sunday are its busiest days. Below are the places I visited;

Arena Club. I went to the dance club, not the strip club on the higher level. It was very crowded with pretty good house / techno music if you are into that. A lot of 20 and 30-somethings dancing away. I was with a girl there, so I didn't check out the scene too much. There could have been workers near the bar area. At around 3am, a guy and girl were so drunk that they were making out at a table right in front of me and he slipped his hand down her pants and started fingering her. Their friends and other people were taking pictures of them and they didn't care or seem to notice. Eventually one of the bouncers put a stop to that, but it was entertaining nevertheless.

Crystal Hall. Much bigger dance club near the Dnipro River. A ton, and I mean a TON of good-looking people. The P4P's near the bar were more obvious. Again, I was with someone so didn't try that out. Great music, but face control is more strict here.

Shooters. I finally managed to come somewhere alone one night and met up with another American and English guy. There were some normal girls here dancing, but a lot of them were here to hook up with a rich foreigner. Probably the most obvious scene from all the places I went too. I heard they had really strict face control, but I didn't experience any problems. Perhaps it's with people with darker skin?

Vodka Bar. Located right at Independence Square, there's a bar on the first floor and a restaurant type setting upstairs. A lot of eye candy, again, mainly standing at the bar area. The music is loud if you're sitting downstairs, but the prices are reasonable. You can get a table with vodka and Red Bull for cheap, I don't remember cost. I was only here to scope out the scene.

Most of my contacts came from fellow forum members here, and the rest were just meeting them on my own. I met a waitress at Myrakami. A student who spoke really good English. Next time I'm there, we plan to go dancing and she was going to bring friends from her University. I hooked up with 3 different girls during my 1-week stay, pretty much all repeats since it was good service and I didn't bother seeking more. Cost was extremely reasonable from reading what some of you guys paid. Maybe because I skipped the girls from D'Lux and Buddha Bar. Part of it was probably how I connected with them. The most I paid was 1,000 UAH for a couple of hours and the least for 250 UAH for multiple hours. I consider the 250 UAH girl very attractive. I think for most, you guys would probably love a young blonde I was with. But for my young age, young girls are a dime a dozen and I'm more turned-on by early 30's MILFs.

Attached below is the 250 UAH girl whom I had for several nights (the MILF-looking one). I had to hide the eyes though as I promised her I wouldn't show it to anyone. Sue me, I have a conscious.

AZN Monger

Insomniaque
12-22-10, 17:25
Thanks again for your comments.


Apartments really shouldn't raise an eyebrow with your boss, even for a short-term visit. The cost difference is huge and I've found the subsequent savings are more likely to get you praise than raise any issues. I travel most months to Kiev for work and part of the reason I pick up and retain a lot of the work I get is because I bring in my travel costs so much lower than other people. If people do ask why you can genuinely say it's just a different culture here regarding hotels / apartment, which is true.

Vs the Hyatt, Premier Palace et al, you'll save something like a minimum of $300 per night even before you get into room service, internet charges etc. There are several solid apartment companies out there and you just need to make sure they check the internet is all set-up and working before your driver disappears. Ignoring the obvious fringe benefits, I genuinely find it a better environment to work in. I see your point, and clearly apartments are a cost-effective option when compared with the Premier Palace, but I will never stay at such expensive places; Hotels like the Rus are pretty cheap already, I am not sure an apartment would allow me to save some more money. Anyway, this is worth checking; I will RTFF as I recall some apartment companies have been mentioned here, and see what price I come up with.

TheKnight, thanks for your informative report. Nice to find someone who is into strips as well! I might want to check out the Solid Gold next time.

I agree with you on the Rio which I also really like, but I fail to see why you consider downstairs better? I see no real difference.

The only thing that I find painful with the Rio is that when you take a girl out, they will keep you waiting for ages, like it normally took half an hour to dress up, and I am wondering if this is not on purpose. Pasha likes tips very much, as far as I can see.


I hear about Mamba etc and I can not read the Cyrillic alphabet let alone speak or read Rus or Ukrainian. How can an english speaking guy get laid in the Ukraine?No chance whatsoever. I am really sorry.

Flirt. Com. Ua has an English version (and so does Mamba, I believe). As for the rest, Google Translate is your best friend.

Patranov
12-23-10, 21:51
Damn.

http://ukrafoto.com/reportages.php?id=4452

http://delo.ua/business/kak-jakitoriju-otrezali-ot-ber-144807/

Nice Bentley.

Aussie Greg
12-24-10, 00:02
Does anybody know if the Intourist Hotel is still in operation just over the river, if I can remeber rightly its the second stop over the river on the metro, first one is the park, past the River Palace stop.

Its been a long time since I was in Kiev and Ukriane, I think my ex mother inlaw in Nikipol has stopped looking for me now.

When I was in Kiev, I always stayed there, great strip-bar and just out of town a little, that much closer to the airport also and right on the metro.

I used to check in as a ukrainian, as I was a lot older than my wife, I used to use her fathers Ukraine I. D. We are both bald, you know big hat, large coat, back in the good old days and only pay Ukraine prices.

One day in Odessa, we were checking in and a friend of mine walks into the reception area and says, hey Greg, you son of a *****, hows thing going mate! In front of the old soviet style secretary! went down well. I just turned the other way and continued the check in, didn't blush an eye lid.

Aussie Greg.

Uke Boy
12-25-10, 22:02
Does anybody know if the Intourist Hotel is still in operation just over the river, if I can remeber rightly its the second stop over the river on the metro, first one is the park, past the River Palace stop.

Its been a long time since I was in Kiev and Ukriane, I think my ex mother inlaw in Nikipol has stopped looking for me now.

Aussie Greg. Greg, it is still alive and well, known actually as the Hotel Tourist. Here is a link to their site if you want to reminisce.

http://hotel-tourist.kiev.ua

I pass by it from time to time but have never been inside. Prices are rather reasonable but I suspect services are still on a par with Soviet days meaning non-existent.

Also, I hope they still do not continue that bad old Soviet tradition of the floor ladies with the keys. Now that would be the worst-case scenario for a monger.

Sailor 222
12-28-10, 00:26
I will ask for the opinion of experinced mongerers in Kiev. What is the normal rate for a top class escort for 24 hour or say take away for 2-3 days? I talk about pornstars or nude-models.

AColonizer
12-28-10, 21:03
I knew top-class prostitutes for 300$/overnight: read masters' experiences too (even if everything is good for some of them). I hope you don't mean "top-class" just because you will pay a lot of money with no comparison to level of service. In the past, there was Wiska in Mamba but her service was worth ten times less than her price. I can assure you, only if you know exactly what a female can do with her body, you can discover some unknown "pornstars". Otherwise you always risk to waste a lot of money for a low level service.


I will ask for the opinion of experinced mongerers in Kiev. What is the normal rate for a top class escort for 24 hour or say take away for 2-3 days? I talk about pornstars or nude-models.

Aussie Greg
12-29-10, 15:29
Uke Boy, thanks for that mate, looking forward to seeing Kiev, Odessa and a few other small cities in July when I come on over, had enough of Colombia for awhile. I keep on coming back to the tall, skinny types which at times is hard to find here in Medellin.

Will try and stay at the Hotel Tourist again, just for old time sake as it is right on the metro, its easy to get to most places. Again thank you mate.

A. G.


Greg, it is still alive and well, known actually as the Hotel Tourist. Here is a link to their site if you want to reminisce.

http://hotel-tourist.kiev.ua

I pass by it from time to time but have never been inside. Prices are rather reasonable but I suspect services are still on a par with Soviet days meaning non-existent.

Also, I hope they still do not continue that bad old Soviet tradition of the floor ladies with the keys. Now that would be the worst-case scenario for a monger.

Sailor 222
12-29-10, 19:47
Wiska is a perfect example for what I had in mind. I simply wanted to know rates for her. . From what I.


I knew top-class prostitutes for 300$/overnight: read masters' experiences too (even if everything is good for some of them). I hope you don't mean "top-class" just because you will pay a lot of money with no comparison to level of service. In the past, there was Wiska in Mamba but her service was worth ten times less than her price. I can assure you, only if you know exactly what a female can do with her body, you can discover some unknown "pornstars". Otherwise you always risk to waste a lot of money for a low level service.

Sailor 222
12-29-10, 20:53
Wiska is a perfect example for what I had in mind. You would think she would ask for 300USD / night? I see that her performance is below her reputation with ref to fellow mongerers? Any other similar name you would think of to consider? I see that online escort sites are not credited much here as reliable.


I knew top-class prostitutes for 300$/overnight: read masters' experiences too (even if everything is good for some of them). I hope you don't mean "top-class" just because you will pay a lot of money with no comparison to level of service. In the past, there was Wiska in Mamba but her service was worth ten times less than her price. I can assure you, only if you know exactly what a female can do with her body, you can discover some unknown "pornstars". Otherwise you always risk to waste a lot of money for a low level service.

Misterxxx
12-30-10, 01:41
Wiska is a perfect example for what I had in mind. I simply wanted to know rates for her. . From what I.Wiska was asking for something like 1000-1500 $ for a meeting.

Irish Lad
12-30-10, 15:11
Good Sir Knight, Guy-who-can't-sleep, Uke Boy, Steve, Snowy.

I have a chance to return to Kiev next year and I would like to sample more than Chicken Kiev and Borsch and the world's best vodka. I want to be prepared to sample the sexy woman.

I hear about Mamba etc and I can not read the Cyrillic alphabet let alone speak or read Rus or Ukrainian. How can an english speaking guy get laid in the Ukraine?

Any links to an English version of Mamba or something? Although Mamba and singles etc have English versions, www.freerussiandating.us Is set up in English format.

Uke Boy
12-30-10, 20:34
Wiska was asking for something like 1000-1500 $ for a meeting.I had the pleasure of her pussy and ass when she was just a starting out as an escort, not a porn star. Back then, she used the name of Mila and quickly gained quite a following locally. Her price then was $50 per hour. 2 hours for $80, overnight for $200. Times have changed and not for the better. And FYI, she was perhaps a good actress even back then. She at least gave a good show that the sex was just fine! I was never disappointed.

AColonizer
01-02-11, 13:46
In fact, Wiska / Anastasia / Mila is one of the best pornstars, or better, she is a real pornstar!

The problem is we can't have with pornstars the same sex like in their movies, even if we show a medical certificate.

Therefore why to pay 1000$ if she doesn't make even a deepthroat swallow blowjob?


I had the pleasure of her pussy and ass when she was just a starting out as an escort, not a porn star. Back then, she used the name of Mila and quickly gained quite a following locally. Her price then was $50 per hour. 2 hours for $80, overnight for $200. Times have changed and not for the better. And FYI, she was perhaps a good actress even back then. She at least gave a good show that the sex was just fine! I was never disappointed.

Sailor 222
01-03-11, 21:34
You mean bareback? Apart from that I would expect a full professional approach to inclide everything similar ro movies. Right?


In fact, Wiska / Anastasia / Mila is one of the best pornstars, or better, she is a real pornstar!

The problem is we can't have with pornstars the same sex like in their movies, even if we show a medical certificate.

Therefore why to pay 1000$ if she doesn't make even a deepthroat swallow blowjob?

PeterParn
01-04-11, 04:00
Hello, gentlemen,

First of all: Excuse if this post is in the wrong thread. I don't know where I shall post this one.

I will go to Kiev in some weeks, so it would be nice, if somebody could help me to have a good time there. Here are so many posts, I can't read them all, also my english isn't the best (so excuse for this horrible english). I read some posts and this is my intermediate result:

1. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (over internet)? I found this ones:

http://mamba.kiev.ua

(seems to be the most trustful site, right?)

http://intimdosugua.com

(looks like some fakes and can't find any prices)

http://xmodel.com.ua

(seems very much photoshop, if real)

http://www.top-modals.com

(not so much photoshop like the one above)

http://interdevochki.com

(much photoshop, if real)

http://escort-models.net

(couldn't find any informations about this page in this forum)

So which one you can advise? Which one, I should never choose? Make in sense to choose a girl with verified pics and some feedback or can they be also fake?

2. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (at nightclubs)? I found at the forum this ones:

. Rios (price is average, takout: if girls like, around 400$ overnight, girls: good looking)

. Solid Gold Verdict (price is expensive, takeout: high, around 400$ overnight, girls: good looking)

. Premier Palace (very expensive)

. Can you please tell me some other good nightclubs?

Do you have some other experience to this nightclubs, please let me know.

3. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (freebees / semi-pro)? I found at the forum this ones:

. Shooters (much girl looking for rich men, some pros, takeout: average)

. Avalon (mixed girl, much pros, night around 200$)

. Arena (very good looking girls, expensive)

. Buddha bar (much hardcore, overnight around 300$)

. D'Lux (very good looking girls, some semi-pros, price: average)

In the end some questions:

4. Apartment is better than hotel? (cause security)

5. Do the girls steal from you often?

6. What is the meaning of RP and DATY?

7. Price a hour should between 50$ and 100$, for overnight max. 300$?

8. Most important question: Where can I find a good threesome (mww, it mustn't be a lesbian)?

Thank you so very much for your responses. It would help me really, because it will be my first time in Ukraine.

Best wishes,

Peter

DoctorOral
01-04-11, 08:57
Has any of you met this girl here.

http://flirt.com.ua/olgavertashova/?afolder=album_photos&album_id=565018451&#closed

Wow. What a bomb. But she blocked me on flirt. So I cannot contact her.

The photos show her on the poles of Rio strip club though!

TheKnight
01-05-11, 13:41
Has any of you met this girl here.

http://flirt.com.ua/olgavertashova/?afolder=album_photos&album_id=565018451&#closed

Wow. What a bomb. But she blocked me on flirt. So I cannot contact her.

The photos show her on the poles of Rio strip club though! Not convinced this is Rios (there's no seating area at the end of the stage). May be Club Maxim on the left bank, but so long since I went there. And I have definitely not seen this girl in Rios, or you would have seen a report on here!

OldSchool318
01-06-11, 05:47
Not convinced this is Rios (there's no seating area at the end of the stage). May be Club Maxim on the left bank, but so long since I went there. And I have definitely not seen this girl in Rios, or you would have seen a report on here!This girls photos are being used as a advertisement for a local provider in Palms Springs California!

If you guys see her have fun. I am very jealous!

http://palmsprings.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-new-green-eyed-beauty-new-new/10868669

DoctorOral
01-06-11, 09:19
Fuck! I will have to travel all the way to LaQuinta? Good I have 3 days off now. I am running to book my plane right now!

Thank you for the info, I will report!

AColonizer
01-07-11, 17:44
The first real problem is: what do you want from a girl? What do you mean for sex? Because each service has its own price. For example. 300$ overnight is expensive if you want just pussy with condom and oral with condom and no deep tongue kisses; 300$ overnight is honest if you want everything is in the menu such as http://www.rusdosug.com/ (click on "independents" and read on the left)


Hello, gentlemen,

First of all: Excuse if this post is in the wrong thread. I don't know where I shall post this one.

I will go to Kiev in some weeks, so it would be nice, if somebody could help me to have a good time there. Here are so many posts, I can't read them all, also my english isn't the best (so excuse for this horrible english). I read some posts and this is my intermediate result:

1. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (over internet)? I found this ones:

http://mamba.kiev.ua

(seems to be the most trustful site, right?)

http://intimdosugua.com

(looks like some fakes and can't find any prices)

http://xmodel.com.ua

(seems very much photoshop, if real)

http://www.top-modals.com

(not so much photoshop like the one above)

http://interdevochki.com

(much photoshop, if real)

http://escort-models.net

(couldn't find any informations about this page in this forum)

So which one you can advise? Which one, I should never choose? Make in sense to choose a girl with verified pics and some feedback or can they be also fake?

2. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (at nightclubs)? I found at the forum this ones:

Rios (price is average, takout: if girls like, around 400$ overnight, girls: good looking)

Solid Gold Verdict (price is expensive, takeout: high, around 400$ overnight, girls: good looking)

Premier Palace (very expensive)

Can you please tell me some other good nightclubs?

Do you have some other experience to this nightclubs, please let me know.

3. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (freebees / semi-pro)? I found at the forum this ones:

Shooters (much girl looking for rich men, some pros, takeout: average)

Avalon (mixed girl, much pros, night around 200$)

Arena (very good looking girls, expensive)

Buddha bar (much hardcore, overnight around 300$)

D'Lux (very good looking girls, some semi-pros, price: average)

In the end some questions:

4. Apartment is better than hotel? (cause security)

5. Do the girls steal from you often?

6. What is the meaning of RP and DATY?

7. Price a hour should between 50$ and 100$, for overnight max. 300$?

8. Most important question: Where can I find a good threesome (mww, it mustn't be a lesbian)?

Thank you so very much for your responses. It would help me really, because it will be my first time in Ukraine.

Best wishes,

Peter

Harry Hirsch
01-09-11, 09:09
Halloo community

At first I used for the most an online translator, Sorry.

Wanted to write an account of my travels in 2010 in Ukraine.

After I have read in many forums, just good from Ukraine and was also impressed by the whole price thing, a buddy and I have decided to spend 10 nights in March in Kiev.

So start to pln it all, this was in December 2009, 2 Tickets for each 130€ Reserved both ways.

We wanted an apartment with two bedrooms, so found one, ordered, there was no deposit required?

So then sometimes slowly started to take care of the sweetest girls.

Thanks

www.Mamba.ru

There is no problem at all to take contact with the girls)

Have me signed in on this free site, and I picked out some nice mouse, my Money base for 6 nights was approximately 8000grn (ca800Eus)

So this has worked well with the girls, three were shortlisted in the selection.

All girls want show us Kiev on 3 or 4 days, of course, the dude has even supplied with girls).

Further more, in many forums have been on the road, also read the various warnings for apartment rentals. Since I make a request again for safety reasons under other names with a time overlap for my apartment Reserved behold for this event, it was free!

So my order will be canceled and now started the new look again.

With get a Tip Bestkivapartments stuck, booking with payment (Visa) , they pick us up at the airport for $ 35. 25 KM

Then arrived at the apartment, had the entire balance cash to be paid.

We had an apartment with two bedrooms, living room, large bathroom with sauna)

The kitchen was properly equipped and the apartment was in good condition.

Evening at 8, we have met with my flame, she brought a friend,

We are then eat sushi, my first in life (47). Then we have pulled us back into our apartments, Well I was stupid enough to not bother my flame clearer what is and is not absolute ignorance. Well, sex was a GF, all with rubber and rather listlessly, but in my quite long abstinence, I found it quite good.

Kiev she has shown us beautiful, well but then they had on the 4th evening to your "father" well came back the next afternoon, had then "this" Sex. The next day she gone again to Dad, I was already quite strange, because I was really horny, quickly Mamba made a date and hit me with pretty blonde 20 157 45 glorious B / C Cups

I think she was very inexperienced we had identified all what works and what does not, in Russian, I in English, with dictionary) it makes fun.

So then with the small in the chest, what a body, the tits have stood as a ne)

This has been a very nice soulful beat number GF FOR SEX FT all positions of the CCC, that is really good we had 3 hours, identified for 1000grn (125$)

We had arranged to meet again for the next evening.

Then I sacked my first love)

Unfortunately, the second great love was not reliable,

So I was alone again in the evening (

So I had to look again to new girlfriend)

Had there been contact with one in December, but I was too expensive for the 6 nights

But one night I wanted to give you my opinion, but the night 1700grn,

My God was a cool motherfucker, who had a real cool show, that was pure sex without any possibility of trigger, there was everything, really everything, sex with rubber.

I've stay with her the next 2 nights again).

Then the 10 days were over.

For me as laid back soon to travel to Kiev,

Well 5 weeks later it should again be ready).

This time alone for 12 nights, scheduled again at the same agency,

Nice room for $ 75 night.

Actually, I wanted something solid to last for ever and ever)

Have been done to take 2 girls for a date, the first was the pretty blonde who was not as reliable. Mid Wiele I know why they had so Magnificent tits

She was pregnant, and is looking for her baby for daddy.

They then had me picked up at the airport, cooked for me, two nights beautiful sex, but

Somehow I am not really been happy)

Well I had 2 beautiful nights)

Then I had the next day a real date, she already had a baby 19 173 48

But unfortunately she looking other than the pictures and it really was not so willingly)

Has indeed made me totally hot, but left hanging, hung he really has not)

At 10:30 pm, one word gives the other an I say to it is better you are leaving).

These were two Sex free days and nights.

Now I first wanted to enjoy my freedom, looking at Mamba and found a sweet 19 year old for 130 € 3 hours, no limit. In the time it gives finest sex FT FO ZA AV ZK A2P A2M, the next day she was allowed to visit me again)

I asked her what she does with them money, shopping?

She said she paid for, the tuition fees, since I was a little surprised, but she said, that would make a lot of girls.

The next day she had no time (so I had me a girl can get, which I have already been made before, we had agreed 8000grn for 6 days and nights.

She was and 21 172 60kg is pretty good in bed, she was actually the normal ZK FO FT, no limit) This has harmonizes very well with us.

So how come it be otherwise, it was after 4 weeks with my buddy for 12 nights in Kiev)

Yeah I know that is crazy) In March, the holiday was old and I need for 13 nights only 7 days of vacation, but have 35)

Now you know what's coming)

I had my last flame kept warm but somehow it has re-oriented (

She did not want to once again?

As I Stand. No plan B, for the second week so there already, but not the first

So we then arrived back in our apartment in March, just turn on the laptop and the first appointment with the views horny bastard made in March, this time's it normal, nothing special but more so good.

So for the next night a different looking, skinny, a model 22, 175 49 great shape and very nice to Dirty night 23:00 to 09:00 for 1500grn. No limit everything that man was really cool, they got me right back made things hard for the next evening, again was just as good on the third evening they took me then, unfortunately, added, serve as need ne nice very rarely online but just in this moment. They also came for 1500 but already the night from 21:00 to 08:30 Great body, pretty girl, more submissive, but during anal sex is taken off properly) me)

Then.

A free night for me, which I needed.

Since Monday I had arranged a Long Time Date 6nights and 3 days for 7000 but given 8000, which was really sharp, which has had about the whole thing is fun and could not get enough, even with her gives full program GFSEX, ZK FO FT AV TOY. So everything really well and she was pretty as a picture, a princess. 24 170 65kg.

I wanted to make sure you me.

So keep in touch and remained with her 6 weeks later for 5 nights, this beautiful sex again, as I had planned in September for 2 weeks again to fly to Ukraine and to make even a trip to the Crimea, I asked her whether they will accompany me, she immediately agreed, but had to make some plans.

Am again over flown and they picked me up at the airport, one night in his room for 30Eus and then we went by plane to the Crimea, a taxi 40Eus 100KM a nominee of your city, there found a room, nice location beeen at Hill Aircondition 40Eus balcony, the price in the city were OK, cheaper than in Kiev, on that more later.

Yes the sex with her is getting better again, they know each other better-containing)

Holiday in the Crimea very nice, but only with support or good knowledge of Russian.

Back we went to Kiev by train. 1 Class for both 130Eus by plane, it was 150, but first class is nice, it has a compartment for itself, and can sleep well)

After that we were together for 3 nights in Kiev.

In the Crimea I gave her the offer made to become your friend / Permanent Sponsor, I give her in the month 350 Eus that meets the cost of living including rent for a month, from here job as a teacher, in the afternoon after graduation, she earned again 200Eus) so that women can very well live in Kiev, when I'm with her then it is for free and there is still nen shopping so about 50 100EUS so length of stay)

Was then the beginning and the end of October for 4 and 5 nights with her,

Here monthly money they could have brought with me

Visa Prepayd card from a bankomat.

Was then beginning of December a week with her.

The Se x with her is fun, we have much contact with each other.

The next trip is the end of January with her a week in a resort in the Carpathians.

More trips are planned.

So it costs the equivalent of me with all the bells and whistles the night (day and night)

75Eus is, but next summer even further discounted because more trips are planned)

So now a few general things.

Apartments in Kiev cost 50-80 Eus

Agency and recommended.

www.bestkievapartment.com

,

www.partnerguesthouse.com

Take a taxi from the Agency's priced OK

Food, always first to look into the card can be very expensive!

Normal from 6Eus in a canteen, Pusata Hata, Sushi 13 Eus, Pizza 10 Eus and and and

Actually, you can say as much as us, if you know where, cheaper)

Taxi on the street very expensiv order it by phone, many speak English, or let's do it the flame.

For the girls, before making up EVERYTHING, absolutely everything)

A L L is possible.

Make the Dates not to earlie, one week before for one night, one months for long time it is OK.

Links I can not send you, the girls do adopt the one time and again, those who are watching it for some time. Professional, ripoff.

I maintain, Kiev is not dangerous, but one good portion of care to be compulsory

Passport take everytime with you!

Otherwise it costs on inspection by the police 20 Eus)

Sights, lots, best Marco Polo Travel Guide Ukraine. (German)

You can fly with Lufthansa, Air Ukraine, Wizz Air. . Price 180-270, depending on the season)

Now the most important, the dates do with the girls on man.

www.Mamba.ru

Go to the page, change to the English language, is right ne flag.

Then log on to the best! Best you lives in KIEV!

So then you have to back to country selection then Ukraine, Kievskaya obl, then Kiev.

If its the girls I studied man seeking woman, aged up to

Where as above. Goal of getting to know. This is what man needs the sensitivity.

Mamba on anything is possible, so if only a man looking se se are open for sponsorship, if you do you dislike and adjust your words)

So I've played a lot and tried to get to my goal.

Go to language in Kiev English works mostly with the girls, as in many Russian

So most of them speak English with me some of them German

Be friendly and polite are net to you and all the doors open to you.

I'm with Mamba in the habit of the girls first to write in Russian, with

Google Translator works, translating well.

If your holiday company one investigated in the summer, but before then drive a couple of days to Kiev and you take a look to the beautiful girls.

I hope you enjoyed the report, perhaps even tried hers out.

Still crystalline in their own right, that's with my mouse with security not an isolated case

Also because I played a little bit to know if the sponsorship is not too high,

So the result shows clearly that it would be very easy to repeat this.

A fixed income in Ukraine as a student very much value and

Sexually are very open to the girls there.

Bloke
01-13-11, 22:30
I am going to have to spend a few weeks in Kiev for work which I was looking forward to as I have never spent time in E Europe. But having read a few pages on this forum I'm not quite as enthused as I was. Correct me if I'm wroing but Ukraine just had a bailout from the IMF, the country is pretty broke so how come the local girls get away with charging so much?

Surely the price structure is massively overinflated relative to average earnings especially when you compare to other emerging market countries like in S America or Asia or even Czech Republic and Slovakia? Or is it that only the top end of the market is getting reported here? I travel all over the world and the Ukraine does not sound like very good vfm or that many people have any quality experiences

Climaxnow
01-13-11, 23:52
I am going to have to spend a few weeks in Kiev for work which I was looking forward to as I have never spent time in E Europe. But having read a few pages on this forum I'm not quite as enthused as I was. Correct me if I'm wroing but Ukraine just had a bailout from the IMF, the country is pretty broke so how come the local girls get away with charging so much?

Surely the price structure is massively overinflated relative to average earnings especially when you compare to other emerging market countries like in S America or Asia or even Czech Republic and Slovakia? Or is it that only the top end of the market is getting reported here? I travel all over the world and the Ukraine does not sound like very good vfm or that many people have any quality experiencesSimple economics Bloke. Lots of resistance to any downward pressure on wages, even in times of economic turmoil. Prostitutes are the same as any other worker.

Dashriprock
01-14-11, 04:55
Can anyone recommend a good bar to watch the NFL playoff game (Seattle / Chicago) on Sunday nite with a good view?

Riprock

AColonizer
01-14-11, 17:11
But is HunterDave the only clever monger in Kiev?

Anyway the problem is always the same, if you, men, want to speak english, then prices are Western-oriented.

Harry Hirsch
01-17-11, 23:09
@acolonizer.

Only HunterDave?

75€ for per 24 hours with full service, this is a very good price)

500grn. For 1 hour is no problem.

AColonizer
01-18-11, 09:40
Ah yes, I forgot you.

Just for the audience, did you agree about price only in advance, or did you agree about price AND services in advance?


@acolonizer.

Only HunterDave?

75€ for per 24 hours with full service, this is a very good price)

500grn. For 1 hour is no problem.

Harry Hirsch
01-18-11, 19:26
From other Guy at ISG I get the Mamba link to this girl) (special thanks to CJ)

I meet with her for Coffee. We speak about all. (sex, no limit.)

5 Days later we have a date about 1 week, very good service from her)

After this we meet 5 times again, never speak about service,

I say to her how much I want pay, I know her problems and

I get Girlfriendsex from her, all its possible, also a "NO" from her)

But not much times.

With the other girl (2. Trip)

She get for one week, day and night. 8000grn, the service was ok.

I speak with her at Mamba about all, it is normal for Girls to do this what we speak.

It is much easier to get a girl for longtime.

And this is much cheaper than for 1 night.

At Mamba I start every time writing in Russian with the girls.

AColonizer
01-19-11, 11:49
Dear Herr, did you mean:

FT = französisch total mit Schlucken?

A2M ohne Gummi?


Now I first wanted to enjoy my freedom, looking at Mamba and found a sweet 19 year old for 130 € 3 hours, no limit. In the time it gives finest sex FT FO ZA AV ZK A2P A2M, the next day she was allowed to visit me again)

EasyEase
01-19-11, 13:53
Hi dear Mongers,

I am using Mamaba succesfully for my trips to Kiev. Suddendly I have my account blocked. Does anyone know how fast they unlock the accounts and what is neccessary to make them unlock it?

Thank you for your input.

Easyease

Start123
01-19-11, 18:16
I don't know about mamba. But seems all those girls are rip off! I am running around like a chicken from one place to another only to find apartments with 2-3 real ugly girls, nothing like promised in the pictures.

I even tell them if you are not the girl in the picture I walk! Doesn't matter, they swear it's them but when I come there. Completely different girl.

Please never go to addresses: Basseyna 5a, or Kastel'naya 6 (near Maydan) , unless you want to be scared straight!

I am starting to hate Ukraine- the land of rip offs! Even taxi drivers are quoting double of the regular rate! Just call for a taxi, never catch it on the street!

Harry Hirsch
01-19-11, 21:26
Dear Herr, did you mean:

FT = französisch total mit Schlucken?

A2M ohne Gummi? Sorry, I'm from Germany.

FT = Blowjob with Cum swallow / Französchich total.

FO = Blowjob without condom / Französchich ohne Kondom.

ZK = Deep kisses (tongue) /Zungenküsse.

ZA = Tongue Anal / Zungen Anal.

AV = Analsex.

A2P = Ass to Pussy.

A2M = Ass to mouth.

No limit = sex without condom (this is dangerous, I know this)

Climaxnow
01-20-11, 00:04
I don't know about mamba. But seems all those girls are rip off! I am running around like a chicken from one place to another only to find apartments with 2-3 real ugly girls, nothing like promised in the pictures.

I even tell them if you are not the girl in the picture I walk! Doesn't matter, they swear it's them but when I come there. Completely different girl.

Please never go to addresses: Basseyna 5a, or Kastel'naya 6 (near Maydan) , unless you want to be scared straight!

I am starting to hate Ukraine- the land of rip offs! Even taxi drivers are quoting double of the regular rate! Just call for a taxi, never catch it on the street! I can not help but feel that you need to be patient. If Eastern Europe was so easy, every single forty plus Western male would be on the streets of Kiev. Most of the very experienced mongers on this board have a language edge and probably plenty of bad experiences this wish to forget. If they never got ripped off, they for sure have a very good nose. Happy mongering.

Sorbonne
01-20-11, 04:12
There is a new girls at Gia named Vika.

Is this the same girl who used to sit at a table to the right of the bar at the River Palace?

www.gia.la

Sorbonne
01-20-11, 05:34
I'm going back to Kiev in February and am trying to use Mamba for the first time.

I know this has been talked about here before, but I just want to clarify.

Most girls for sex on Mamba seem to have real status. I guess I need a Ukrainian phone number to get real status, so does it mean I have to wait until I get to Kiev and get a SIM card there?

I wish I could have kept my SIM card from my last trip to Ukraine last year, but do we need to have a phone number in Ukraine at all time to keep the real status?

Also, my Google Chrome translates from Russian to English, and I can't get it automatically translate from Ukrainian to English. Does anybody have a solution for this?

Thanks.

Kngdf5
01-20-11, 08:37
my Google Chrome translates from Russian to English, and I can't get it automatically translate from Ukrainian to English. Does anybody have a solution for this?Make sure you have the latest Chrome. You can see your version by clicking on the wrench in upper right, then choosing "About Google Chrome"

Latest is 8. 0.552. 237

Papwo
01-20-11, 14:48
I'm going back to Kiev in February and am trying to use Mamba for the first time.

I know this has been talked about here before, but I just want to clarify.

Most girls for sex on Mamba seem to have real status. I guess I need a Ukrainian phone number to get real status, so does it mean I have to wait until I get to Kiev and get a SIM card there?

I wish I could have kept my SIM card from my last trip to Ukraine last year, but do we need to have a phone number in Ukraine at all time to keep the real status?

Also, my Google Chrome translates from Russian to English, and I can't get it automatically translate from Ukrainian to English. Does anybody have a solution for this?

Thanks.Hello,

You do not need a ukrainian number!

You can do this with every number!

But you can use a number just once all over mamba!

Br

Sorbonne
01-21-11, 16:41
Make sure you have the latest Chrome. You can see your version by clicking on the wrench in upper right, then choosing "About Google Chrome"

Latest is 8. 0.552. 237Actually, that is the version I have. Right now my Google Chrome translates Mamba from Russian to English. So when it comes to pages in Ukrainian, it doesn't translate right. Then I have to manually select Ukranian to English. Then it translate correctly.

Sorbonne
01-21-11, 16:42
Hello,

You do not need a ukrainian number!

You can do this with every number!

But you can use a number just once all over mamba!

BrThanks for the info. I will try and see.

Strike 69
01-22-11, 13:06
Hello, gentlemen,

First of all: Excuse if this post is in the wrong thread. I don't know where I shall post this one.

I will go to Kiev in some weeks, so it would be nice, if somebody could help me to have a good time there. Here are so many posts, I can't read them all, also my english isn't the best (so excuse for this horrible english). I read some posts and this is my intermediate result:

1. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (over internet)? I found this ones:

http://mamba.kiev.ua

(seems to be the most trustful site, right?)

http://intimdosugua.com

(looks like some fakes and can't find any prices)

http://xmodel.com.ua

(seems very much photoshop, if real)

http://www.top-modals.com

(not so much photoshop like the one above)

http://interdevochki.com

(much photoshop, if real)

http://escort-models.net

(couldn't find any informations about this page in this forum)

So which one you can advise? Which one, I should never choose? Make in sense to choose a girl with verified pics and some feedback or can they be also fake?

2. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (at nightclubs)? I found at the forum this ones:

Rios (price is average, takout: if girls like, around 400$ overnight, girls: good looking)

Solid Gold Verdict (price is expensive, takeout: high, around 400$ overnight, girls: good looking)

Premier Palace (very expensive)

Can you please tell me some other good nightclubs?

Do you have some other experience to this nightclubs, please let me know.

3. Where do you search for your contacts in Kiev (freebees / semi-pro)? I found at the forum this ones:

Shooters (much girl looking for rich men, some pros, takeout: average)

Avalon (mixed girl, much pros, night around 200$)

Arena (very good looking girls, expensive)

Buddha bar (much hardcore, overnight around 300$)

D'Lux (very good looking girls, some semi-pros, price: average)

In the end some questions:

4. Apartment is better than hotel? (cause security)

5. Do the girls steal from you often?

6. What is the meaning of RP and DATY?

7. Price a hour should between 50$ and 100$, for overnight max. 300$?

8. Most important question: Where can I find a good threesome (mww, it mustn't be a lesbian)?

Thank you so very much for your responses. It would help me really, because it will be my first time in Ukraine.

Best wishes,

PeterRP = River Palace it was a well known working girl house in Kiev before it was closed by authorities, girls were sometimes a little more expensive than the average price out there but if you were a newbie and horny as hell with no time between hands it was one of the fastest options to enjoy UA pussies.

DATY = Dinning at the Y or in other words it means the man eating the pussy and genitalia or the girl . The man performing oral sex to the girl.

Also you forget to put this escort agency:

http://gia-escort.com/

The prices are a little expensive and the girls are usually hardcore prostitutes but if you are a newbie, you are quite desperate/horny enough to have a UA girl and price is not an issue then it might work for your first trip. Once you are more experience you can go and try other options out there, the average price listed there for an hour is 180 USD in my case a similar Ukrainian lady back home (Mexico) would cost me between 250 - 300 USD per hour (in some high end clubs the cost would raise to no less than 500 USD) so not much of an issue for me but I agree there are so much better and cheaper choices out there in Kiev.

Suerte !!!

Yes apartments are better than hotels with the plus that some girls (specially freebies) will feel more at easy and comfortable enough to spread their legs in the privacy of an apartment.

Prosal
01-22-11, 21:38
I can not help but feel that you need to be patient. If Eastern Europe was so easy, every single forty plus Western male would be on the streets of Kiev.More and more I am astonished at the variety of adventures (freebies) to be found in FSU, if you only go looking for them and actively seek them out, and if you have a bit of cultural awareness,"game", emotional generosity, wealth, and you're well-groomed enough to enter in the standarts of the FSU women. Going to to post someday about the six WONDERFUL weeks I spent in Kharkov. Paradise, literally.

Sorbonne
01-24-11, 11:07
Hello,

You do not need a ukrainian number!

You can do this with every number!

But you can use a number just once all over mamba!

BrIt's not working for me.

In order to search girls in Kiev, I need to say I am based in Kiev, right? If I say I am based in Kiev, when I try to confirm my real status, Mamba asks for my Ukrainian phone number.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Please advise, someone!

Thanks.

Prosal
01-24-11, 11:27
It's not working for me.

In order to search girls in Kiev, I need to say I am based in Kiev, right? If I say I am based in Kiev, when I try to confirm my real status, Mamba asks for my Ukrainian phone number.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Please advise, someone!

Thanks.Without being offensive, no need to have a Ph. D in new technologies to understand that to get a real status, your dialling prefix must correspond with the place of residence you entered. Just edit your personnal informations with the place of residence you actually are, make a new try, get real status, and then re-edit with any place you like.

Maybe your username "Sorbonne" (a place recognized as one of the best University in France) doesn't really fit your intellectual possibilities (smilie).

Strike 69
01-24-11, 12:09
It's not working for me.

In order to search girls in Kiev, I need to say I am based in Kiev, right? If I say I am based in Kiev, when I try to confirm my real status, Mamba asks for my Ukrainian phone number.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Please advise, someone!

Thanks. From which country is your mobile phone?

Jojosun
01-24-11, 18:59
AC. Good report. It'd all about having fun and playing the game. I have been spending my free time in FKK Land and Poland. Your report really inspired me to take the plunge and hit Kiev this spring.

Let me know when you're in London and I'll hook you up with some Hot Ukranian and Polish Brothels in the City. Prices are at £100 per hour on Adult Work. PM me and I'll send you some hot pic's.

Simex.I did post here that I was coming back to ask few questions about your Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London.

1. No problem with the second part of your post about Polish brothels in London. They are everywhere, including some Hot Ones.

2. Since you say you haven't been to UA& Kiev, I am willing to wager that you are confusing Lithuanian Brothels in London (Not that many) with what you think are Ukrainian Brothels Lithuanian Nationals are free to travel & work in the Uk, since Lithuania is a member of the EU.

3. If Ukrainian Brothels in London are not as rare as Rocking Horse Shit, then before someone gets too excited. Perhaps should spend few minutes reading the most recent Uk Law on Criminality & Prostitution, which came into effect Apri 2009.

This new law makes it a criminal offence to have Sex with a WG who has been forced, coerced or trafficked for the purpose of prostitution. .

This new law is strict Liability. Which means it doesn't matter if the monger didn't know that the WG was forced, coerced or not.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/26/section/14.

The latest victim of this new law is a Monger in his fifties in Ipswitch, suffolk.

He accepted a Caution, which is a criminal offence. He didn't need to go to court.

Neverthless it is a criminal offence, which you have to declare to your Employers, house insurer.

It bars one from getting visas to the USA <Austaralia, New Zeland and other countries

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ipswich_three_arrests_in_brothel_raid_1_777648

More police raids in the city of London, catching some highflyers with their Pants down.

http://www.andhranews.net/Intl/2010/August/1/London-cops-pound-100K-32271.asp.

Postitution & having sex in Brothels in the UK is still Legal, even under the new Law.

But what is illegal as stated above is having sex with a girl which falls under the above categories. Forced, coerced and trafficked girls would normally be from countries which are outside the EU, such as Ukraine. Belarus, China.

Its not just high esteem members who would like the phone nos of such Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London. I am sure the Police and Uk Border Agency and other UK & EU government agencies, wouls also love to find out. How the WGS involved got to the UK in the first place?

And if a monger gets caught in a place like that, then from then on he has got a criminal record.

More here going back to 2008, which does show who else lurks on the internet as well.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=032_1208698150

More interesting reading here for safe mongering in the UK.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/prostitution_and_exploitation_of_prostitution/#a20.

One final Question. Why have you been sitting on the above wealth of info on Hot Brothels in London, and only did the Simex sexileaks after being inspired by Asian Chaos post?

You mean you didn't read the just as good reports by Borat 69 on his Kiev conquests?

Sorbonne
01-25-11, 06:35
Without being offensive, no need to have a Ph. D in new technologies to understand that to get a real status, your dialling prefix must correspond with the place of residence you entered. Just edit your personnal informations with the place of residence you actually are, make a new try, get real status, and then re-edit with any place you like.

Maybe your username "Sorbonne" (a place recognized as one of the best University in France) doesn't really fit your intellectual possibilities (smilie). Thanks, guys! Actually, I was able to do it before reading the above suggestion, which confirms my intelligence (smile).

What I meant by sorbonne is sore bone. Without being offensive, you've never got sore bone (smile) ?

Prosal
01-25-11, 09:38
Thanks, guys! Actually, I was able to do it before reading the above suggestion, which confirms my intelligence (smile).

What I meant by sorbonne is sore bone. Without being offensive, you've never got sore bone (smile)? Thanks for your understanding, it was admittedly a poor joke, but with such a username, you call it! (smilie)

Jojosun
01-25-11, 13:54
I did post here that I was coming back to ask few questions about your Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London.

1. No problem with the second part of your post about Polish brothels in London. They are everywhere, including some Hot Ones.

2. Since you say you haven't been to UA& Kiev, I am willing to wager that you are confusing Lithuanian Brothels in London (Not that many) with what you think are Ukrainian Brothels Lithuanian Nationals are free to travel & work in the Uk, since Lithuania is a member of the EU.

3. If Ukrainian Brothels in London are not as rare as Rocking Horse Shit, then before someone gets too excited. Perhaps should spend few minutes reading the most recent Uk Law on Criminality & Prostitution, which came into effect Apri 2009.

This new law makes it a criminal offence to have Sex with a WG who has been forced, coerced or trafficked for the purpose of prostitution. .

This new law is strict Liability. Which means it doesn't matter if the monger didn't know that the WG was forced, coerced or not.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/26/section/14.

The latest victim of this new law is a Monger in his fifties in Ipswitch, suffolk.

He accepted a Caution, which is a criminal offence. He didn't need to go to court.

Neverthless it is a criminal offence, which you have to declare to your Employers, house insurer.

It bars one from getting visas to the USA <Austaralia, New Zeland and other countries.

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ipswich_three_arrests_in_brothel_raid_1_777648

More police raids in the city of London, catching some highflyers with their Pants down.

http://www.andhranews.net/Intl/2010/August/1/London-cops-pound-100K-32271.asp.

Postitution & having sex in Brothels in the UK is still Legal, even under the new Law.

But what is illegal as stated above is having sex with a girl which falls under the above categories. Forced, coerced and trafficked girls would normally be from countries which are outside the EU, such as Ukraine. Belarus, China.

Its not just high esteem members who would like the phone nos of such Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London. I am sure the Police and Uk Border Agency and other UK & EU government agencies, wouls also love to find out. How the WGS involved got to the UK in the first place?

And if a monger gets caught in a place like that, then from then on he has got a criminal record.

More here going back to 2008, which does show who else lurks on the internet as well.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=032_1208698150

More interesting reading here for safe mongering in the UK.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/prostitution_and_exploitation_of_prostitution/#a20.

One final Question. Why have you been sitting on the above wealth of info on Hot Brothels in London, and only did the Simex sexileaks after being inspired by Asian Chaos post?

You mean you didn't read the just as good reports by Borat 69 on his Kiev conquests? Few more Links &Hryvnias on a similar note, as the British Legal System is a minfield. Sometimes too difficult to understand.

Prostitution by itself as said above is Legal in the UK, but some associated activities with it are Illegal. Prostituting in public, pimping, pandering, keeping a Brothel.

More in a simpler form here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom.

The police & crime act 2009, came into effect as from April 2010. Correction on the above.

One should stay clear of WGS, who are likely to have been trafficked into the UK.

The WGS are most likely to be from Countries in Europe which are outside the EU, such as Ukaraine, Belarus, Moldova, as well as China.

One should note that all Brothels (Being posh, are called Parlours) are illegal in the UK.

A Brothel is a place where more than one girl is working there, even if the 2 are not working on the same day.

But some Brothels are tolerated in some Cities and Towns in the Uk, and some are not.

What is zero tolerated is trafficked girls, and girls who have been forced, coerced and controlled for the purpose of prostitution.

Hence, you find on some UK sites by well known Sex Providers, that the girls are (NOT) subject to Immegration rules and have signed a statement, that they are providing sex of their own free will and not controlled by anyone.

Here is more on a Police raid (Dec10) on Brothels in posh areas of London. Kensington & Chelsea, where the girls have been trafficked and forced into prostitution in the UK.

http://kensington.londoninformer.co.uk/2010/12/[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)-and-prostitu.html.

The wgs were from Eastern Europe outside the EU.

Although the law by itself could apply to any WG in the UK, regardless of Nationality, if she falls under the above categories.

AN Ad or touting a Brothel in London as being (Ukranian) is really an invitation for a Police Raid.

The UK Border Agency would also love to find out, how the girls made their way into the UK.

You have to admire the British for being Fair when enforcing the Law, even if its a British judge.

(A Judge yesterday allowed 2 Brothel owners to walk free after they trudged a blizzard to attend court. Christene Morgan 52 and husband Merlyn 58. Got a suspended jail term after they admitted running a Brothel in Cardiff ).

www.metro.co.uk.21 Dec2010.

Cardiff in Wales is one of the places in the Uk where the Police have a Low Tolerance of Prostitution there.

Jojosun
01-25-11, 16:06
JoJo,

I guess I may have to re-examine my ideas on London. Still like the beer, not so much the chow! But hell it would be nice to try out the EE specials and maybe monger together.

HunterHi Hunter,

Hope you are not keeping yourself away from the Kiev Thread.

Would love to hear about your trip there in Dec 10.

Time to put some life back into this thread after the January blues.

Had an amazing time in Georgetown, Washington Dc, just in the weeks before Christmas.

A truly great Party place. Took me down memory lane there.

Still a good % of Females on the pull for everyman hitting the Bars % clubs there.

The club of choice there at the moment is Josephene.

But nothing like River palace.

Back to Foodies in London.

I have been collecting some info for you and this is straight from the Horses Mouths.

And they are not British. Actually they are French.

(London outstrips Paris and the rest of the World with its cuisine according to the Chef of thw 20th century.

Joel Robuchon, who has 25 Michelin stars to his name, made the oustanding statement after opening a new restaurant in Paris.

Robuchun, attributed the quality of london Restaurants to its diversity of cultures and the intense comptition to attract diners ).

www.standard.co.uk. News 14 Jan 2011.

London also came tops in a report on Europe's 6 major capitals called 24 hours in a Tourist capital by the the Paris lle de France regional tourism committee.

www.standard. Co. Uk. News 18 Nov 2011.

And if you are a Fan of Hearty good American Food, then even the best American restaurants are Opening branches in London.

If you tried the Food in Spago restaurant in LA, then the owner Wlofgang Puk, is opening in the spring his restaurant in London on Park Lane called CUT.

Added to the above the Bunnies are making a comeback to London after an absence of nearly 30 years. Playboy Club is reopening in London in the Spring as well.

Playboy clubs are well known for the fantastic taste of their steaks served in their restaurants.

And the icing on the London Cake this Spring will be the wedding of Prince William & Kate.

The only things I would avoid in London are Brothels touting girls from Dodgy nationalties (RUSSIAN, Ukranian, Chinese) , re their immegration status in the UK.

BTW. Mr Chow is a celebrity Chinese restaurant in Knightsbridge, London.

Have you tried the Chow there?

Happy New Year & Happy Mongering.

Sailor 222
01-25-11, 19:57
I am in contact with a few mamba girl in Kiev. They all try to keep prices at a high level 800 1 hour and 4000 all night. They are not open for negotiation. Don't you think it is almost double that should be asking?

Start123
01-26-11, 05:10
Well, gentlemen, I was in Kiev for 2 days and 3 nights only. I can say this trip was not work related, unless getting laid is considered work now days.

What had in mind is bedding 2-3 girls and setting up a date or two with a potential freebie. I am planning on coming back to Kiev again, so why not, I thought, I get to know someone nice. I shall add I speak perfect Russian and look good, thus making it impossible to succeed.

My goal was: to have sex with younger girls (18-21) or model quality, high priced ($200) models. These two categories are unreachable for me for free, hence the attraction.

My prep work:

I got on Mamba and created a profile about me being a young man looking for love in Kiev, bla blah blah. Contacted around 45 girls and started corresponding with 4 of them.

Also, I researched some well known escort sites and bookmarked several of them.

As you can see, I think I got enough contacts for 2-3 girls I wanted to score with.

Kiev :

I got in Kiev fairly late, stayed in a nice hotel near Maydan. The first night, it was Tuesday, I went to Caribbean club. I've read only good things about the place.

Well, to make a long story short, there were 2 types of people – Arabs (or turks, or who knows what, possible Taliban meeting?) and well fed older Ukrainian ladies in their late 20s and 30s. Fatties were trying to dance to foreign to them Latin beat and the Arabs were trying to get with them pigs. The scene was worth an $8 entrance fee. I think I saw a couple of semi-pros, but they rejected pretty much everyone in that place. Two girls walked in in their early 20s, looked nice, I talked to them, first time in the club, both are students. I thought they might be possible semi-pros or just there to meet a foreign man.

They asked me why I was there – I said I like the music and the girls and I've heard I can meet someone nice here, possibly for a little financial help. Two cunts got offended and walked away. I guess they didn't believe I liked the music.

I took a cab home and on the way I discovered possibly the only way to get laid fast in Kiev. Ask a taxi driver, they have phone numbers and addresses of many apartments with girls. Little brothels if you wish.

I wanted to sleep at that point but decided to check one out. Went there and saw two girls who were nice, but not exactly what I wanted (they were over 25 and not model looking, still, very fukable.) I passed and went home.

On the side note, taxi rides are 30-40 HUA in town. Don't let those poor bustards tell you it's a 100. I went from Maydan to the airport for 135 HUA. Just call any taxi numbers and order it.

The next day I was overly optimistic, figured I'll call the escorts and make an appointment. Called one, she said she is the girl in the picture. 100% real, the only one in her apartment. Took a cab and went there, on the way the taxi driver already told me it was one of those 'salons'. And sure it was! There were 4 real ugs in the apartment. And I mean really ugly. This scenario repeated itself several times. I call, they promise she is the girl. Blah blah- salon!

Ok. After a day of this I know how the system works now. Here is the gist of it. :

Someone places dozens of ads, all with a pictures stolen from somewhere. All numbers in the add are answered by a 'dispatcher' a girl who's job is to direct you to a 'salon'. She will promise you anything, and will swear on her own mother it's her in the picture! Her job is to lure you in into the salon.

Most, I would say 98% of ads are fake! All reviews are fake! I know this because I tried to post negative reviews and none of them were published!

The lest I could do is not to give hose bastards my money and support their mafia run bussines. So I walked away from all those scammers.

Mamba freebie girls:

They were harder to get in touch with, all of them were busy with studying those two days, empty promises to meet me. You get the picture! I think I should have invested more time into them. Like several weeks more time! No sex guaranteed of course, so I don't see it as a feasible investment of time. Maybe I'll do this next time while I sit on my ass at home.

Mamba girls who are semi-pros offering sex:

I had so much hope with them as there were some real cute students there. I wanted them more then any models. Called one, spoke on the phone couple of times, she sounded sweet and innocent, a cute 19 year old. Of course I was smart enough to make sure this is not another salon trap and asked her about it. She sincerely said she is just a student trying to make some money for her tuition.

I dreamed of this moment for too long for anything to go wrong! We decided to meet at her place as I wanted to help her with tuition as soon as possible. She gave me her address that was only 5 min walk from where I was. (Now at this point I should have realized that no 19 why. O student can afford to live anywhere in the center of Kiev, but I was thinking with my other head!) I go upstairs, ring the bell, my heart is pounding- and another salon. Two girls come out one uglier than other. I got pissed and demanded to speak with a girl I was on the phone. One of the ugly pigs said it was her. With a grin on her butt-face she said: 'What did you expect? This is Kiev! '



My adventures continued in similar fashion. I wasted a lot of time going places and finding filthy brothels. Never got laid.

Lessons learned:

I think the best way would be to rent an apartment and call escorts who will come to you! This way if they send someone else (and they will) you can just refuse the delivery and the joke is on them!

Use taxi drivers for information where are the best 'salons' are, they also know some semi-pros sometimes.

A ride from Borispol to anywhere in Kiev should cost you 130-150 UAH, anything over and you are overpaying. Talk to a cabby about this, he was bragging how they convince stupid foreigners to pay over 300!

I am sure things like mongering is a huge crapshoot. But Kiev as a mongering destination is dead for me. I had much better time in Russia. I got freebies too!

Climaxnow
01-26-11, 14:15
Very informative post 123. Do you really come up to girls in clubs offering financial assistance without some very clear green light? (smile)

Start123
01-26-11, 23:33
Very informative post 123. Do you really come up to girls in clubs offering financial assistance without some very clear green light? (smile)Only in Thailand and well, now Ukraine.) Has not worked once.)

Papwo
01-27-11, 05:04
I am in contact with a few mamba girl in Kiev. They all try to keep prices at a high level 800 1 hour and 4000 all night. They are not open for negotiation. Don't you think it is almost double that should be asking?Hello,

Depends which service you want.

But normal it is 1500 all night! Don't pay more!

Maybe your problem was, that the girl don't need money soon, because if they need money soon, they agree also for 1000 per night!

Also think about, if one girls wants 1500 all night, she need maybe 2-4 customers per month.

If some stupid foreigners pay 4000 she do it twice a month and then she has a really nice live there!

Sailor 222
01-27-11, 21:49
Your reply is just inline with my thinking. The problem is that girls in mamba are all in a different level.)

Simply they ask full night price for 2-3 hours. I still keep offering 200 USD for full night. They all rejected so far.)


Hello,

Depends which service you want.

But normal it is 1500 all night! Don't pay more!

Maybe your problem was, that the girl don't need money soon, because if they need money soon, they agree also for 1000 per night!

Also think about, if one girls wants 1500 all night, she need maybe 2-4 customers per month.

If some stupid foreigners pay 4000 she do it twice a month and then she has a really nice live there!

Stevie69
01-28-11, 08:39
Good lord, have you not learned anything by reading the forum. I like to think that I contribute here so others do not have to make the same mistakes, that they do not get exploited and that they keep the prices down for the next time I visit. Please! These are all rookie mistakes. And you speak perfect Russian!


Well, gentlemen, I was in Kiev for 2 days and 3 nights only. I can say this trip was not work related, unless getting laid is considered work now days.

What had in mind is bedding 2-3 girls and setting up a date or two with a potential freebie. I am planning on coming back to Kiev again, so why not, I thought, I get to know someone nice. I shall add I speak perfect Russian and look good, thus making it impossible to succeed.

My goal was: to have sex with younger girls (18-21) or model quality, high priced ($200) models. These two categories are unreachable for me for free, hence the attraction.

Lessons learned:

I think the best way would be to rent an apartment and call escorts who will come to you! This way if they send someone else (and they will) you can just refuse the delivery and the joke is on them!

Use taxi drivers for information where are the best 'salons' are, they also know some semi-pros sometimes.

A ride from Borispol to anywhere in Kiev should cost you 130-150 UAH, anything over and you are overpaying. Talk to a cabby about this, he was bragging how they convince stupid foreigners to pay over 300!

I am sure things like mongering is a huge crapshoot. But Kiev as a mongering destination is dead for me. I had much better time in Russia. I got freebies too!

CallSign Papa
01-28-11, 12:36
I am sure things like mongering is a huge crapshoot. But Kiev as a mongering destination is dead for me. I had much better time in Russia. I got freebies too!Sounds to me like a simple case of not doing your ground work ahead of the trip. There are literally hundreds of users on this thread alone, who recommend an apartment over a hotel. It's the basic requirement if you want a high turnover of girls visiting you.

As for your Mamba prep, you contacted 45 girls? In the week before I go, I'll have 45 different numbers from Mamba having contacted maybe 200 girls.

There aren't many countries in the world where you can show up (with no real research) and expect to bang a string of 20 year old model types. Kiev is not that place, don't think it ever has been.

Better luck next time.

Altered Ego
01-29-11, 17:19
Can anyone recommend some good strip clubs in Kiev? I have read back through the Forum (also searched the net) but unfortunately nearly all of the information I found was out of date.

Here's the list of possible venues I came up with. I don't even know if all of these places are still open! (Also some of these may not even be strip clubs. It wasn't always entirely clear.)

- Millenium.

- Rio.

- TIXI.

- Cabaret.

- Paradise (may be the same as Cabaret, I. E 'Cabaret Paradise?)

- Some places with 'Rhino' ('Nosorog'?) in the name, for example Pink Rhino.

- Heaven.

- Red Lion.

- Joss

If anybody would be kind enough to give an opinion on these (or any other) places, for example price of drinks and dances, number and quality of girls, etc, I would be very grateful.

Many thanks in anticipation,

AE

Sorbonne
01-29-11, 23:09
Many members here talk about finding pros as well as freebes from mamba. How do you do it? Do you say you are interested in "love" as well as "offers money for sex" in the same profile? Or do you create two separate profiles?

Ididid
01-30-11, 10:45
I think the problem to most tourists is that they have been to Thailand and read that Ukraine is similar to Thailand. So they come over there and just waits for model looking pros to jump all over them. That is not the case.

You cannot compare Thailand to Kiev in any way. In Kiev the girls look better, but you have to work to get them. And it seems that in Kiev the pros have the power to chose, but in Thailand the tourists have the power to chose. That is an important thing to remember.

AColonizer
01-30-11, 21:14
I think you are right 1000. I have never been to Thailand and sincerely I am not interested to: my purpose is not to fuck prostitutes for all lifetime.

Masters talked about "Golden Age" in Ukraine until 2002 and it was probably something similar to Thailand. Now Ukraine is a good place to relax and to meet women for any kinds of relationship but it is a different country in comparison ten years ago.


I think the problem to most tourists is that they have been to Thailand and read that Ukraine is similar to Thailand. So they come over there and just waits for model looking pros to jump all over them. That is not the case.

You cannot compare Thailand to Kiev in any way. In Kiev the girls look better, but you have to work to get them. And it seems that in Kiev the pros have the power to chose, but in Thailand the tourists have the power to chose. That is an important thing to remember.

Strike 69
02-01-11, 06:57
A semi off topic issue : a local escort / sex agency of Monterrey (Mexico) is promoting "tours" to Ukraine (sex tours) providing translator / Spanish guide, housing, flights Monterrey- Kiev and other type of related "logistics"

http://www.regioscorts.com/tours/

With the recent openness to Russia and Ukraine in Latin America it is possible to continue to see such type of things

Strike 69
02-01-11, 07:01
Many members here talk about finding pros as well as freebes from mamba. How do you do it? Do you say you are interested in "love" as well as "offers money for sex" in the same profile? Or do you create two separate profiles?Usually I create separate profiles one in which I clearly state I am looking for sex in exchange of money and I want to be an sponsor this profile would be used to contact pros and semi pros and I also have a separate profile in which I put only that I am looking for love, friendship and stuff like that this other profile would be used to hunt down freebies.

Prosal
02-01-11, 15:29
Many members here talk about finding pros as well as freebes from mamba. How do you do it? Do you say you are interested in "love" as well as "offers money for sex" in the same profile? Or do you create two separate profiles?Come on, the pros or sponsorettes you will contact won't even read one line of your profile. They don't give a shit about what you are interested by.

A tip if your goal is to chase "genuine" freebies : write some things about yourself that include an interest in Russian culture. It will boost your position in their eyes. You need to stand out. Keep in mind that hot girl on mamba can count on getting 100s of messages, winks, whatever, this every day. I'm not exaggerating.

Caribescort
02-02-11, 22:00
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Climaxnow
02-03-11, 01:28
Caribescort, I appreciate the information on your business. How about some pictures to really add credibility to yourself. Maybe a Russian hotty spread eagle or something.

Amante75
02-03-11, 11:51
I will came in Kiev the first week of March,

Do you know any Swinger Club or Club privè for couple in Kiev?

Many thank's!

Strike 69
02-03-11, 14:02
Gracias por la información Caribescort! (Thank you for the information)

I agree with the other poster a couple of extra photos of Soviet hotties spreading eagle won't hurt.

Caribescort
02-03-11, 19:04
Gracias por la informacióand Caribescort! (Thank you for the information)

I agree with the other poster a couple of extra photos of Soviet hotties spreading eagle won't hurt. Hi Climaxnow and Strike. 69 Hi guys!

We are a one of the biggest and most popular escort agencies in the world and the models I have are

Some of the most beautiful and talented girls in the world. As you can see, all the pictures of all the

Escorts are done by professional photographers. From MAXIM for example.

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php?ank_num=58

I do not understand why you think that putting explicit pictures of our stunning models would add

Credibility to our company. I think it would detract from our credibility. Most of our clients are

Looking for beautiful, educated, passionate, bi-lingual, young women. Who can give them a true girl

Friend experience. This is what they desire and this is what they receive. Not a 'Russian hotty spread

Eagle'.

Mucho Gracias

CallSign Papa
02-04-11, 06:17
most of our clients are

looking for beautiful, educated, passionate, bi-lingual, young women. who can give them a true girl

friend experience. this is what they desire and this is what they receive. not a 'russian hotty spread

eagle'. no, that's what you think your clients are looking for. when i go to kiev, i'm looking for a hotty spread eagled.

and your prices are pure fantasy. anyone going to kiev and spending 950 eur on a girl, needs have their passport confirep001ed, because they're too stupid to be trusted in our city of delight and they're ruining it for the rest of us.

Sorbonne
02-04-11, 08:13
Hi Climaxnow and Strike. 69 Hi guys!

We are a one of the biggest and most popular escort agencies in the world and the models I have are

Some of the most beautiful and talented girls in the world. As you can see, all the pictures of all the

Escorts are done by professional photographers. From MAXIM for example.

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php?ank_num=58

I do not understand why you think that putting explicit pictures of our stunning models would add

Credibility to our company. I think it would detract from our credibility. Most of our clients are

Looking for beautiful, educated, passionate, bi-lingual, young women. Who can give them a true girl

Friend experience. This is what they desire and this is what they receive. Not a 'Russian hotty spread

Eagle'.

Mucho GraciasFirst, I didn't know that an escort service was allowed to advertise here freely.

Second, I used your service once for 250 Euro for 3 hours. She was pretty, but I wouldn't call it a GFE. She was no different from any other cold fish escorts.

Sorbonne
02-04-11, 08:15
Third, she asked for a tip.

Guntherus
02-04-11, 13:09
Had nice time in Kiev recently. Arriving from airport to apartment met a my friend Kristina. 21, from Mamba, and I was rather excited to meet her because she had finally agreed to try ASA. She had tried before, but this was her first time nice experience. CIM also. 3 hours 1000 grv. Next day this 24 year old redhead from Mamba, and repeated third day with her rosetta deflowerd! Will repeat next time. 2 hours 1000 grv, but extended time while chatting and taking photos. Third was this delicate 18 yo blackhaired 40 kg doll. Loved tossing her so inexperienced in bed. But probably spent too much money on her. Think she needed money for her rent by the turn of the month. Or for her expensive designer bags and things. Maybe I later try call her again and negotiate. Went with ISG-member to this Tixit club left of Dnjepr, nice, rustical and a bit exotic, but no private action possible. Also tried Kalinka dance / disco, met some nice older gals who loved to chat in English, but then ran away. Probably could have convinced them if I had made better use of wingman from ISG. Would love to go there again, or to this apparantly new and elegant club Hi (location unknown) with dozens of model-looking girls. I was with my oldtime girlfriend Natasha and could not explore this IMHO treasured place any further than having a drink at the bar and something at the restaurant on second floor. Nice view, also through the windows. Opposite is another club. Wish I could locate this. All in all, very nice trip, lot of work, lot of action. Rollo

Jack Copper
02-04-11, 23:46
Hi guys,

I have made my decision to do the ultimate tour of my life. I want to make my fantasy come real. I have a lot of P4P experience in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czech Republic and Poland. I met some great girls as well as national and international porn stars like Cameron Gold or Luna B. Nevertheless I was still missing a special experience having as much girls in a row with all my fantasies within a given period of time. I want the full load in a row now. And I decided to got Kiev for that.

Recently I try to find by Mamba and flirt. Ua the top shots for my fantasies:

- a skinny girl with big breasts doing CIM, swallowing and anal.

- two ladies for a threesome with CIM, CIF and anal (both)

- a model like girl for role playing stewardess and catwalk model (English or German is a must for this, anal and CIF)

- a skinny girl for toy games.

- Porn star experience with a skinny girl (with foto session)

- a slim girl for deep throating.

So my idea was to have a blond, brunette, red and black haired girl for each session but the threesome. Actually I was unsuccesful to find any girl for a threesome with anal.

Honestly speaking it is really hard to find the right girls from a distance without speaking Russian (I'm coming from the southern part of Germany).

So it would be helpful if you guys have some tips for me to make my dream come true. I promise I will post my personal ultimate review here with some photos. My plan is to be for 7 days in Kiev. So there's a lot of work to do.

If someone is interested in Germany, Poland and Czech Republic tips please feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Jack

Start123
02-05-11, 03:21
Had nice time in Kiev recently. Arriving from airport to apartment met a my friend Kristina. 21, from Mamba, and I was rather excited to meet her because she had finally agreed to try ASA. She had tried before, but this was her first time nice experience. CIM also. 3 hours 1000 grv. Next day this 24 year old redhead from Mamba, and repeated third day with her rosetta deflowerd! Will repeat next time. 2 hours 1000 grv, but extended time while chatting and taking photos. Third was this delicate 18 yo blackhaired 40 kg doll. Loved tossing her so inexperienced in bed. But probably spent too much money on her. Think she needed money for her rent by the turn of the month. Or for her expensive designer bags and things. Maybe I later try call her again and negotiate. Went with ISG-member to this Tixit club left of Dnjepr, nice, rustical and a bit exotic, but no private action possible. Also tried Kalinka dance / disco, met some nice older gals who loved to chat in English, but then ran away. Probably could have convinced them if I had made better use of wingman from ISG. Would love to go there again, or to this apparantly new and elegant club Hi (location unknown) with dozens of model-looking girls. I was with my oldtime girlfriend Natasha and could not explore this IMHO treasured place any further than having a drink at the bar and something at the restaurant on second floor. Nice view, also through the windows. Opposite is another club. Wish I could locate this. All in all, very nice trip, lot of work, lot of action. RolloHow do you find them on Mamba? How long have you corresponded with them before offering financial assistance?

Uke Boy
02-05-11, 17:10
I think it would detract from our credibility. Most of our clients are Looking for beautiful, educated, passionate, bi-lingual, young women. Who can give them a true girl Friend experience.You have very little credibility, in any case, with this group. First, the photos on the site are heavily photo-shopped, that is clearly obvious. Second, your prices are way out of line with reality in Ukraine. On top-models or mamba everyone can do much better, just see the recent reports and compare it to this agency. Even if the meeting does not turn out well as does happen, the loss in terms of dollars is acceptable compared to your extortionate rates.

As for the supposed GFE, it seems Sorbonne's comments actually show a real wife experience, namely an expensive cold fish who wanted even more money at the end. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

I also question your blocking the site from Ukraine. Anyone who comes to Kiev cannot access the site unless they use an anonymous proxy. Are you afraid of something?

Using your agency or that of Gia should be the last resort of an extremely desperate man.

Amunra
02-05-11, 21:01
Hi all.

I am planning a trip to Kiev, and I would like to meet some girls, but and I am new in all this type of holiday. I have red all the treads relate to Kiev girls on here, but I am still questioning some thing, so can some one answer me for the following: Those sites like. Top-models. Com / and escort-models. Com are agencies or just free website where independent escort girls post there advertisement? And the photos really belong to the escort girls? Or there is a risk that some one else knock my door? I have phoned several girls from the site to see what and who will answer, and all of them answered me and I talked a little with them and I did not notice anything strange or suspicious. Now about mamba when creating separate profile one to hunt pros and semi pros and the other to hunt freebies. It is advisible to add a photo or is better with out for both cases? And who are exactely the freebies?

Regards,

MD

Guntherus
02-05-11, 23:02
How do you find them on Mamba? How long have you corresponded with them before offering financial assistance?To connect to the girls I rely on numerous good report with insights from experts like Cruiser, IT-travel, Ukeboy, Acolonizer, to name but a few: It has all been said before. Start searching 10 days before arrival, spend some hour each morning or evening. VIP-status is imperative, because there is more search options. Search not only for girls looking for sponsor, because some young girls will not state this in their profile (search "one-night-stand" or simply "conversation, friendship"). Another important search option for me is foreign language. I then address perhaps some 50 profiles, avoiding obvious scams (f. Ex. Profile with one photo which is too gorgeous to be true). I find it amazing how many will respond in spite of what the profile says. I try to address them friendly but clearly, I am on the older side, they must see from first evening I am serious in doing business, which is what they are after. When in Kiev I ask for mobile and suggest perhaps meet in some neutral area. Which means outside some cafe or at some plaza. I don't like meeting in restaurants, last time this very young girl asked me to meet her in this open cafe in Globus shopping mall and soon we had some broad adressing us in a very agitated way (I didn't understand it). Sometimes they come straigth to apartment. When in Kiev I used this nice feature on Mamba looking for online girls and hooked up with two or three very quickly. It appears some studentkas are periodically onlline for quick money. But it appears very many males address them and then get cold feet, which is wasting a lot of time for them. If they think I am like that I get little response. Then some of THEM also get cold feet because of language barrier: When they only badly understand what you say they can understandably get uncomfortable and perhaps fear the worst. If you want GFE like me there must be some understandn. . For hooking up with girls in bars or on the streets, there is numerous hints in Kiev reports, and esp. The forum with reports of distinction. But the bars have their good and bad season, a year ago I like Avalon very well, now not so much, I think D'Lux is pretty solid option for a monger now.

LifeSavour
02-06-11, 05:49
Hi guys,

I have made my decision to do the ultimate tour.

So it would be helpful if you guys have some tips for me.I can help!

LS Guy

Amunra
02-06-11, 19:51
Hi guys,

Can some one aswer me for this question?

Those sites like. Top-models. Com / and escort-models. Com are agencies or just free website where independent escort girls post there advertisement? And the photos really belong to the escort girls? Or there is a chance that some one else will come?

Guntherus
02-07-11, 15:55
You must learn to read the forum when you start askin question like this. Are you promotin this agencies? I think all know that agencies in Ukraine are not very dependable: pictures are photoshopped, they will send andother girl without notice, which may og may not look better than the one you asked for. Also on Mamba there are some fake photos. Read, read, read.


Hi guys,

Can some one aswer me for this question?

Those sites like. Top-models. Com / and escort-models. Com are agencies or just free website where independent escort girls post there advertisement? And the photos really belong to the escort girls? Or there is a chance that some one else will come?

Amunra
02-07-11, 19:37
You must learn to read the forum when you start askin question like this. Are you promotin this agencies? I think all know that agencies in Ukraine are not very dependable: pictures are photoshopped, they will send andother girl without notice, which may og may not look better than the one you asked for. Also on Mamba there are some fake photos. Read, read, read.Please tell me why you asked me if I am a promoter, because I metioned the name of the sites? I have red all the related treads but still I wasn't sure of this. So on the mentioned sites there are a mobile number next to each model / escort, I phoned several of them and I talked to them end I did not notice nothing strange or unusual, so it could be possible that I talked not to the same girl of the photo?

CallSign Papa
02-08-11, 07:08
Sorbonne's comments actually show a real wife experience,

Surely only some kind of sicko pervert would go for RWE ;)

Amunra, Kiev is the capital city of "bait and switch", it's a fact of life and it's irritating, but it's not always a bad thing. For a start, girls probably get used to being sent away at the door (if they're not the girl in the photos) , but, occasionally the girl that shows up at your door will be just as hot even if she's not the right one.

Either way, I personally consider agencies the wrong way to go in Kiev unless it's your first time there, or you've got more money then sense.

AColonizer
02-08-11, 13:06
Hi guys! It's a long time I haven't been to Kiev.

What is the scene in D'Lux club? Something similar to River Palace? And what about prices?

What are the most effective approaches in clubs such as D'Lux, Arena, Shooters, Avalon, Caribbean?

Thanks in advance

It Travel
02-08-11, 16:06
to connect to the girls i rely on numerous good report with insights from experts like cruiser, it-travel, ukeboy, acolonizer, to name but a few: it has all been said before. start searching 10 days before arrival, spend some hour each morning or evening. vip-status is imperative, because there is more search options. search not only for girls looking for sponsor, because some young girls will not state this in their profile (search "one-night-stand" or simply "conversation, friendship"). another important search option for me is foreign language. i then address perhaps some 50 profiles, avoiding obvious scams (f. ex. profile with one photo which is too gorgeous to be true). i find it amazing how many will respond in spite of what the profile says. i try to address them friendly but clearly, i am on the older side, they must see from first evening i am serious in doing business, which is what they are after. when in kiev i ask for mobile and suggest perhaps meet in some neutral area. which means outside some cafe or at some plaza. i don't like meeting in restaurants, last time this very young girl asked me to meet her in this open cafe in globus shopping mall and soon we had some broad adressing us in a very agitated way (i didn't understand it). sometimes they come straigth to apartment. when in kiev i used this nice feature on mamba looking for online girls and hooked up with two or three very quickly. it appears some studentkas are periodically onlline for quick money. but it appears very many males address them and then get cold feet, which is wasting a lot of time for them. if they think i am like that i get little response. then some of them also get cold feet because of language barrier: when they only badly understand what you say they can understandably get uncomfortable and perhaps fear the worst. if you want gfe like me there must be some understandn. . for hooking up with girls in bars or on the streets, there is numerous hints in kiev reports, and esp. the forum with reports of distinction. but the bars have their good and bad season, a year ago i like avalon very well, now not so much, i think d'lux is pretty solid option for a monger now.somebody who is a newbie but knows the business.

it's exactly as you say, i got nearly 100% contacts via mamba (i use the ua version, flirt). unfortunately the real meat market (river palace) is closed so. for going from mabba to love, flirt etc is simple just copy and paste the suffix. with the address of the dating site you use.

mind also that the number of pics automatically indicated is often not true, and that girls openly seeking for sponsors are often not in pink. in pink are 'w*h*o*are*e*s' in the proper term. (not even the mystery tramp was in pink!) so look inside.

search for newer profiles or girls on line, mind that all girls in the whole world are lying on age, this of course is not a real problem when you get in bed with a girl which is 24 and told you she is 22, but in the database it's full of **** and even very feminine transsexuals! so be really careful!

even if they are not pros many of the girls will make an overnighting. sometimes its really a naïve nice gfe, last was with katya and nastya, three days of pure fun: some presents, dinners, and some money for shopping. a nice italian dinner (made by myself) in of course not stunners, but very skilled (in sex and in bbbj!). sometime they are students just in need of some $$$ like inga. just disappeared a pity a real cum dump!

if you are a foreign you might expect that girls accept 5/10 years more than what they indicated. try also to contact non pro, ore use the option for non pro girls. you might find little jewels.

generally the rules are easy.

when you contact a girl and get an answer with a telephone number and an hourly price she is a pro. (of course) a correct price might be between 2. 500 to 3. 500 per whole night (depending on what you ask and how the girl is).

usually profiles with model style photos are fake (i mean you get another girls.)

search for normal girls, in the kiev oblast (they can take a bus for 1 to 5 usd to come). some are doing just for fun.

http://flirt.com.ua/orange2005_06/

http://flirt.com.ua/ladycow/

miss u profiles, mind that several pics in the profile are mine! do not know why but it's a no no for bj she just like fucking (in both holes) , just for fun and you will pay for some shopping. she is a 180/70/1. 5 and rides cow girl as hell (ask some seniors.)

for my next ua trip i am more concentrated on some teenager 18-19 blonde or reddish, you know pale white fresh skin and the pink they have between the legs wow!

http://flirt.com.ua/juliafull/

found my little goddess. 19/155/42/1 (approx) brunetka blonde colored, very very close to what i would like to have in bed. a trip to lvov was not a problem. but no overnight (she has to go home to sleep) and only sex in missionary, no bj even. 200 usd for a long afternoon so not worth the money, but i'm very envious of the guy photographing her with his sky blue 'oxford' shirt (same as mine!). because she said that anal was too painful for her. he must have drilled her!

even one of the kiev myths among mongers has a mamba profile. but she is not active any more (here also some pics are mine!

http://flirt.com.ua/sweetmail-a5346/

one of the best bbbj + cim and some swallowing (if drunk).

one of the thing i'm promising my self is that when i find one i like (nastya for instance) i'll take her for a nice vacation to the seaside. to make her happy and drill her all the night. the simple problem is where to go in vacation with a girl (nastya would be ok she is 24, but seems close to 30) which is 18 or 19 while you are 50? may be odessa?

profiles with several photos (in different environments and different clothes) are usually true other less. some girls ask for crazy prices some for normal.

some are really incredible, an unused profile for a while, exactly the softie i would have in bed. but unfortunately the cum on her face is not mine!

http://flirt.com.ua/mashka-chups/

just my two cents.

it

Guntherus
02-09-11, 01:18
it travel, you sum it nicely up, so i start to regret that i won't return until may. by then this cold kiev-winter will have vanished and the famous kiev soil be bringing forth its blossom, literally and figuratively. would love to go to lvov too. do you mean that girls will travel from lvov to kiev for dating? i think i might have misunderstood something there, but will start searching the oblasts. actually one of my regular dates come from there to study in kiev, and has the freedom to do sleepover and giva a tired traveller a good massage (and vice versa).

regarding age: met this beauty,

http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=408002655&hit=3

when she suddenly responded 10 days after i send my message, probably needed money, and probably because i was a foreigner she was ready to exceed her limits regardin age. (even if i think many girls are not so strict on this). if you first meet them in a neutral place, that is, and they see you are serious. when i met her i got some doubts if she was not ****. she refused me to see her passport, but after a while i got confidence in her and also had no trouble from her afterwards. i find the photos make her look older than real life. a lot friendlier is kristina 21/170/58, and also better looking than photos (which suddenly disappeared from profile today) , wants to practise her english and discuss music, besides sex, of course. but i help her a little with money, now and then.

other tempting contacts which i simply did not have time to explore further:

http://love.ujut.net.lovesupport.ru/oxxano4ka/?afolder=dating

http://love.ujut.net.lovesupport.ru/viktoria2992/?afolder=album_photos&album_id=186776866#closed.

i also like them before they get arrogant in public and like cold fish in bed. i would not worry having vacation with one of them on some remote beach, preferably in a cottage for more privacy by sexercises, you see a lot of age differences in real life. but i have a request which i think many of us here would also like (or should like) to hear: how to convince them to let us take some nice photos.

lets hear some others comment on this. rollo

Harry Hirsch
02-09-11, 16:07
Yes Christina is a very kind, friendly and beautiful girl, speak good english and she is funny.

I stay with her last year 1 week full time and I get full service without limit.

She not like anal, but her other service is very good.

She show's me Kiev we walk trough the town at the morning time at 7am)

Making Pictures and have fun.

And she deleted now her picture, but she has 2 accounts.

Amunra
02-09-11, 20:57
Hi

I am collecting mobile numbers of girls from mamba to call them once am there 99% of the girls I have contacted and got number don't speak english so now I am thinking once am there how am going to comunicate with them, by mobile they are not going to understand me! So please can some one tell me if you faced this problem when you was there?

AR

Guntherus
02-10-11, 01:52
Hi

I am collecting mobile numbers of girls from mamba to call them once am there 99% of the girls I have contacted and got number don't speak english so now I am thinking once am there how am going to comunicate with them, by mobile they are not going to understand me! So please can some one tell me if you faced this problem when you was there?

ARI already wrote very recently: foreign language is a very important search feature for VIP members on Mamba / Flirt. If you speak only english search only english speaking women. But there is hope. Even if they don't say so in their profile, many are able to communicate a little in English, if they get a little encouragement. Write simple and clear language: You write a little english, they answer little. If not, I say, you can forget it. Although there was this girl Veronica in some Baseina Boul. Wotkhaus last summer: We communicated with pen and my notebook, I got her to my place the day after and it was indeed hot and passionate. Twice, early in the morning, is possible even if your past fifty, heheh. But generally, follow the rules: use search options. Then avoid calling them directly, because for them, speaking a foreign language on telephone demands a lot of concentration and can make them nervous. Send SMS. Then you rock and roll them

Amunra
02-10-11, 19:36
Thanks Roll Buzz.

Can some one suggest me the first type of massege to send to a girl on mamba to have a high chance of answering basicaly my first messege is like this : Hi My name is A. And am coming to Kiev soon and I would like to meet you, so if you are interested send me your mobile number and conditons. What do you think about this first messege? Can I do better?

AR

Sorbonne
02-10-11, 19:44
Hi

I am collecting mobile numbers of girls from mamba to call them once am there 99% of the girls I have contacted and got number don't speak english so now I am thinking once am there how am going to comunicate with them, by mobile they are not going to understand me! So please can some one tell me if you faced this problem when you was there?

ARI don't understand. If you don't speak Russian and they don't speak English, how were they able to give you their phone numbers in the first place?

They use translation software, too?

Amunra
02-10-11, 19:48
Hi

Once in Kiev Am wondering if it is possible and how to approche girls in the street or bars ect. To take them in bed! Example you are at a bar and you spot a particular girl what to do, you go and talk to her and try to figure out if she is willing to give her self for some cash, you tell her straight away. Can some one suggest me what and how to do?

AR