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Mik Hcmc
12-31-09, 19:58
Hi,

I am trying to find a map on the hotels in Cambodia. Anyone can recommend me a hotel that is good and have a fishbowl? I heard that the walkabout and flamingo hotel cannot make it but the location is good.

Are they any other hotels near these places but is a good hotel?

Thanks

Luxury World Hotel has a fishbowl. From the enterance turn left 90degree's and walk upstairs. Over 100 ladies in there I'd guess. Far left are "superstar/VIP" China Girls. (I didn't see what the fuss was as they looked at the wrong side of 35/40 to me), center is Khmer girls and the far right are Viets. The Viet girl I took was a spinner but wouldnt give me a BJ and wanted $50. Take a girl thats smiling and waving to you rather than one that looks hot but is avoiding eyecontact with you.

Paris Hotel has a much smaller fishbowl. 3rd floor iirc.
Rooms are well basic. Bed, Shower, Toilet.

If your staying at these hotels I'm not sure if you can get them to come to your room. Paris Hotel I believe they will.

Shadow6491
01-01-10, 04:33
The internet tells me that the middle price Green Hotel is located right next to Walkabout - perhaps by the same owner? That tells me the location is ideal. Has anyone tried it? Is it GF? (probably a silly question)


Its not open yet. Its the longest construction project I have ever seen. I think there may be a lack of funds that is slowing the building. It will be a least another few months before it opens even if the were working on it every day.

Phil Istine
01-02-10, 05:24
Green hotel came to a sceaming halt months ago as the boys were fabricating the furniture for the rooms.

Something fishy about it all.

Backtobasics
01-05-10, 01:24
First trip to Phnom Penh coming up, and I am seeking a hotel that is OK to bring girls back to, with no 'walk of shame'.

(Apologies in advance if this information is often asked for on this forum.)

Which of these are girl-friendly?

Sunway Hotel
Goldiana Hotel
Golden Gate Hotel
Anise Hotel

Riverstar
01-05-10, 08:04
First trip to Phnom Penh coming up, and I am seeking a hotel that is OK to bring girls back to, with no 'walk of shame'.

(Apologies in advance if this information is often asked for on this forum.)

Which of these are girl-friendly?

Sunway Hotel
Goldiana Hotel
Golden Gate Hotel
Anise HotelUnfortunatly I can't comment on the hotels mentioned but if you are happy with a hotel in th $35 range I would suggest the Riverstar Hotel which is on the riverside. I stayed there when I was working in PP and it was very girl friendly it is also within walking distance of most of the action

Heini
01-05-10, 15:17
First trip to Phnom Penh coming up, and I am seeking a hotel that is OK to bring girls back to, with no 'walk of shame'.

(Apologies in advance if this information is often asked for on this forum.)

Which of these are girl-friendly?

Sunway Hotel

Goldiana Hotel

Golden Gate Hotel

Anise HotelGoldiana is the NGO hotel in town, they accept companions in your room upon presentation of a ID card, which is totally impossible for the girls to have being them 85 % Viets without a proper status.

Sunway: forget it. Expensive and a lot of red tape to get girlz in yr room.

Anise: good, they don't make problems, it is a really good place to stay but it is always full.

Golden Gate; it is a masked-out real brothel. Head there if you wish, but remember the rooms are really a mess. Dirty and unsafe.

Have fun.

Dinghy
01-05-10, 23:54
If the Green hotel is next to WA on 174? (whatever that side street number is) I stayed there when it had a different name. I think it was shut down for drugs. Anyway - the WA guys were supposed to re-open it but THAT was over a year ago and it was gutted then. Sounds like little has changed.

Betong
01-06-10, 06:39
If the Green hotel is next to WA on 174? (whatever that side street number is) I stayed there when it had a different name. Chip Lay. I had high hopes for the rennovation -- it's a great part of town to stay in and I'm no fan of either the Walkabout or Flamingos. But something's gone wrong and the gutted building is just standing there, nothing happening. Anybody have the story on this?

RonnieMonger
01-06-10, 13:59
I would suggest the Riverstar Hotel Any coincidence that your user name is the same as the hotel you recommend? (where is that little whistling icon thingy when you need it?)

RonnieMonger
01-06-10, 14:03
I've been to the shooting range several times in the past and there is actually more than one range to choose from.

Also the M-16 on full auto (rapid fire) will empty the magazine in several seconds, not 5min.

... Cows are also available (for target practice)

PTThink I once found an M16 round in my beef lasagna at one of the PP eateries!

Blue Phone
01-07-10, 14:05
I read about the Heaven Hotel or Thornbury Hotel in the forum. Where are they located? Are these hotels good? How do I book these hotels?

Phil Istine
01-07-10, 15:14
Met someone two nights ago who swears that the green hotel is now open?

Just a brief report on the current scene.

Went out two nights ago wth a canadian mate who is here for the first time and loves a good time.

We went to sharky, my second time in a week after a long abscence and it was good again.

Some lovely young girls, most old boilers have disappeared it seems.

Food is reasonably priced and very good.

Then on to walkabou which was, well walkabou.

About 11. 30 to martini-first time in a year for me. I always bag it, well.

Bloody hell, the dwarf is still at the door and the place is unchanged but there were so many girls.

Viets and khmmer with mamasans selling both, starting price $25.

I imagine that they are thinking short time for $20.

The disco had nice girls too.

Then on to the heart about midnight, about half full then.

Within an hour or so it was jumping, some, no many lovely girls.

My mate was sitting at the bar with a lovely cham girl, reallly beautiful face and good english.

I have known two chams and I like them a lot.

They go off to dance and a cheeky african stole their stools, despite my protests.

I said after they were seated-he was with a white, blonde woman, you can move when my friends come back.

No he said, to which I said-do you understand english!

Cheeky ****.

Anyway the cham girl was hijacked by my big belgian mate leaving the dance floor.

She is my favourite he beamed.

This from a man who has been coming here every year for years now-I have a really good story about he and I from two or three years ago in the heart.

Anyway my mate soon found another lovely young thing and he reported very positively the next day.

We were drinking vodka shooters and anchors in there and I left at maybe 3am?

It was a great night out following a trail that I have often criticised here, sharky, walkabou, martini-good enough for most men!

But to finish at the heart and howies-this really is paradise.

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Sharka
01-09-10, 02:14
Think I once found an M16 round in my beef lasagna at one of the PP eateries!


Then you should save this as the last time I went to these firing ranges you guys are talking about, it was about $1.10 per each M-16 round.
See, just saved you over a buck.

Shark

Wendella
01-09-10, 10:58
The difference is intent, which is considered fundamental to determing guilt and the degree of crime committed. Interesting that it's phrased as a rhetorical question, as if it can't be answered, when its so easy to answer.

Probably not a great idea to send such over the top messages like that to another person's inbox. The recipient might be tempted to repost it for all to see, and that wouldn't look too good for the person sending it. I would not do that. Deleted it already. You're safe.

Anyway, it's not a big deal, guess I can understand this being a difficult subject to discuss given the personal situation. Anyway, I'm done talking about this.

AlLostInSpace13
01-12-10, 01:26
Flamingos is really convenient. Walking distance (safe) to Walkabout and the Heart. But the internet is very slow. For those that require vpn to get to other resources, it is too slow. But I quickly overlooked it because after all this is a monger trip and convenience to pussies is paramount.
I've noticed a bar opened right besides Flamingos - Black Cat bar. The Viet girl that I spoke to last night claimed that the owner is the same with the Flamingos.

Al

Blue Phone
01-12-10, 02:31
Hi all,

Just curious,

Boom Boom means FS
Yum Yum means BJ
What's the term use for a simple HJ?

Run Mann
01-12-10, 07:39
Hi all,

Just curious,

Boom Boom means FS

Yum Yum means BJ

What's the term use for a simple HJ?Try the hand gesture, it should work just fine.

Dreams1973
01-12-10, 15:25
Hi,

Is Golden Gate hotel girlfriendly?

Is it possible to arrange there for meeting with girls?

Thanks

Benjamin Be
01-12-10, 18:19
This is my first post in ISG since I have been silent reader for a while. Its time to contribute.

Total staying 4 days three days in walkabout and one day in one of guesthouse in 104 st.

Walkabout: pros. 1. Good location close to other clubs like shanghai, dark of heart. 2. 24hours never close always have girls available, relatively safe and food is ok beer is cheap about 75c. The room I was staying is on top floor (a bit of climbing) with window cost $15/day. Check in was very simple just one signature no need passport or filling forms. 3. Girls are cheap, I had three of them only paid $10 each, they always ask for 20 but all agreed if insist on 10. All given BBBJ and diff. Positions last about half hour. Attitude wise is good but not great. I had 1 viet and 2 cam.

Cons. 1. In shitty area dirty and room was very basic, feel not safe but nothing bad happened to me guess I was lucky.

2. Girls looks very average between4-6(my taste). Some of skinny one are clearly on drugs.

Overall its good, convenience for quick cheap fuck regardless of the quality and gfe.

To be continue if I got some response and also happy to answer any questions if I can.

Dinghy
01-13-10, 00:53
Flamingo did wireless (flamingo is either wireless floor by floor or wired at their downstairs stations) video skype for me last year but the actual "up time" was sporadic. When "up" was OK but seemed to go down midday or so for a couple of hours

Guyhsurf3
01-13-10, 08:43
I heard that Walkabout Hotel has shortime rooms.

Would you know what they cost?


This is my first post in ISG since I have been silent reader for a while. Its time to contribute.

Total staying 4 days three days in walkabout and one day in one of guesthouse in 104 st.

Walkabout: pros. 1. Good location close to other clubs like shanghai, dark of heart. 2. 24hours never close always have girls available, relatively safe and food is ok beer is cheap about 75c. The room I was staying is on top floor (a bit of climbing) with window cost $15/day. Check in was very simple just one signature no need passport or filling forms. 3. Girls are cheap, I had three of them only paid $10 each, they always ask for 20 but all agreed if insist on 10. All given BBBJ and diff. Positions last about half hour. Attitude wise is good but not great. I had 1 viet and 2 cam.

Cons. 1. In shitty area dirty and room was very basic, feel not safe but nothing bad happened to me guess I was lucky.

2. Girls looks very average between4-6(my taste). Some of skinny one are clearly on drugs.

Overall its good, convenience for quick cheap fuck regardless of the quality and gfe.

To be continue if I got some response and also happy to answer any questions if I can.

Roguesta
01-14-10, 03:03
Walkabout had short-time rooms. I believe they no longer do...pressure from the outside.

Backtobasics
01-14-10, 09:36
Hi,

Is Golden Gate hotel girlfriendly?

Is it possible to arrange there for meeting with girls?

ThanksI too am interested in the answer to this question. I asked a little while ago, but the reply I got:

"Golden Gate; it is a masked-out real brothel. Head there if you wish, but remember the rooms are really a mess. Dirty and unsafe."

somehow doesn't tally with the generally glowing descriptions of it on pucka hotel review sites. I am hoping that it is somewhere in-between, ie: a reasonable nice place to stay, that doesn't turn its nose up at girls in rooms.

Does anyone else have anything to say about it?

Daddy San
01-14-10, 14:58
Flamingo did wireless (flamingo is either wireless floor by floor or wired at their downstairs stations) video skype for me last year but the actual "up time" was sporadic. When "up" was OK but seemed to go down midday or so for a couple of hoursI stayed at Flamingos in 2 different rooms 2 years ago.

The WiFi was adequate for VoIP telephony in both cases.

The WiFi signal strength varies widely with the location of the access point in the corridor w. R. T. The room.

In one of the rooms, I actually had a better signal from an AP located on another floor.

In both cases, the quality of the WiFi was way better, than that of the restaurant..

To change the subject:

Right across the street is (or was) a traditional MP, where I had a super looking 4'9" girl expertly help me with very real back problem on 4 consecutive days, both at the shop and in my room.

As my back got better, I tried to obtain "other" services from her but even $50 would not sway her.

Now my question:

Has anyone ever used that MP and succeeded in getting FS?

Benjamin Be
01-14-10, 16:16
I believe there are no more short-time rooms at walkabout. Price start from 10/day(no window) to 30/day(top floor with balcony and Jacuzzi).

Benjamin Be
01-14-10, 16:56
I have tried 4 times at that MP, had real good professional massage cost 6/h plus 2 tips never ask for FS why bother? FS is everywhere outside of that MP and plus the girls are not that attractive.

The Scout
01-15-10, 04:58
i'm no expert on this but -
for internet usage in phnom penh, "hello" cell company has a 3g network with speeds up to 512k (yeah i know, not real 3g). you can send an sms to activate it daily ($2.70) weekly ($18) or monthly ($70) with unlimited usage. i got the info and flyer from their store. i'm using it on a 24 hour basis. so far so good! through out the town it gets questionable and changes from 3g to edge and the speeds slow down. also i went to the store in sorya and they changed my prepaid plan to $0.07 per min to any network which is down from the 0.11 per min it was at.

you can either tether your phone or put the sim in a usb dongle if you have one.

Mature Man
01-15-10, 07:56
[quote=daddy san]i stayed at flamingos in 2 different rooms 2 years ago.

the wifi was adequate for voip telephony in both cases.

the wifi signal strength varies widely with the location of the access point in the corridor w. r. t. the room.

in one of the rooms, i actually had a better signal from an ap located on another floor.

in both cases, the quality of the wifi was way better, than that of the restaurant..


have stayed at flamingo twice. never had a problem as far as the wifi was concerned. worked well in the room and at the bar on the ground floor. guess the speed depends on the number of users too.

Black Boots
01-15-10, 12:02
Hi,

Was recently down in PP and based on reports here checked out Sharky's the location is okay, got the moto taxi to move around, Sharkys does show its age though the quality of talent is nothing to talk about though. Gave it a pass and moved over to nice pub called the lounge by the riverside had a nice time and skipped pp for P4P altogether, the chaotic traffic and air pollution is really bad, the sad part is the US dollar is the currency, *$! Third world facilities first world prices, Thailand is light years ahead of this place.

BB

Mik Hcmc
01-16-10, 02:56
flamingo did wireless (flamingo is either wireless floor by floor or wired at their downstairs stations) video skype for me last year but the actual "up time" was sporadic. when "up" was ok but seemed to go down midday or so for a couple of hours

i was in flamingo's during mid/end november 09.
my flamingo's wifi exp was similar to yours dinghy, though it was down more than up. i had tried connecting to the different floors but still got the same poor connection speeds. i recall one time where nothing would connect on my laptop so i decided to go out for a wander, in the lobby another guest was surfing the web just fine on the hotel pc's so perhaps if your in a pinch you can risk using their pc's.


the mp over the road has a great mp. nothing else is offered from my several visits. some rooms don't have hot water or it wasn't working.

AlLostInSpace13
01-16-10, 04:43
I stumbled across a hostess bar review somewhere on the web and it mentioned Howie's bar - next to the Heart, so I thought I gave it a try b/c Heart is just way too smokey for my well being.
Went there around 10pm and the place was mostly empty. The a/c was dialed to artic zone... there's a reason. Yes the music was pretty good, so I stayed longer than I should. The girls are okay. Also a nice pool table. Something in PP just doesn't agree with me since I arrived, so I'm not my full partying self - still trying to figure out what it is but I think I've found it... later.
I was looking for an excuse to leave Howie's and right there I saw this huge cockroach crawling in a somewhat drunken pace ('cause it was half frozen) from the bar to the pool table. That's it. I threw down my $ and left in a haste. (Might I say, never to return?)

Last night I was still fighting this mild discomfort that PP has giving me. I had slept thru the day, so I should go out at night. Eventually that perpetual sad news from Haiti gave me the strength to get up and go. I went out for a quick bite first. PP is great in that sense. You leave a $1 tip and people's eyes just lit up. Very entertaining.
Anyways, I found a motorcycle to street 104 for $1. I headed straight into Rose Bar. Rose bar was much livelier than Howie's, but probably because it was a Friday? I sat and kept to myself and unfortunately the ones that I was interested in some how all ended up being takeout "food".
Eventually I noticed Anna was always looking out the window, so I think she was itching to get out. 23yo small built nice rack for her size pleasant face. I interrupted her and asked her to sit with me.
Instead of drinking anchor cans, I started drinking Heineken, may be the local beer was making me sick?
Anna has a good friend Molly. Molly is taller, just as slim, sweet face with a naughty-look, small tits and nice ass. As soon as she showed up I knew I made a wrong call earlier... but I can't dump Anna now. I had an idea. So I asked Anna to go dancing with me and I asked her to bring Molly as well. Both girls jumped for joy at that idea (evil grin). Drinks and barfine for both girls came up to be $34.
We went to the Heart and I sat at the bar while the girls danced - it's a nice way to wear them out without me putting in any efforts.
It was 2:30am when I decided to go and both girls followed me back to the hotel. I think at this point everyone knew that everyone else's wish would be fullfilled that night. I negotiated the sandwich price from $40 to $30 each. In reality, both girls were quite new at it. Molly's bbbj was unprofessional - she needs more practice. Pussy was really wet. I had fun with her, but I had to save some performance for Anna. Oh I forgot to mentioned that Anna was too shy, so the sandwich turned into one-after-the-other, while she waited patiently in the washroom!!?? Came Anna's turn. She was really tight (Molly had 1 kid, so not as tight) and I skipped the foreplay and started doing my thing until completion.
Everyone got what s/he wanted and ended the night on a good note. The girls promised me next time will be a real sandwich.

Al
ps. And I felt much better this morning, so I'll stick to imported beer from now on.

Betong
01-16-10, 08:52
I was looking for an excuse to leave Howie's and right there I saw this huge cockroach . . . Don't start looking too hard for roaches in PP or you won't have any bars left to go to!

I try lots of bars but Rose has stayed pretty much my favorite for a couple years now. Almost always a good lively atmosphere, and plenty of nice girls.

Nerdynomad
01-16-10, 12:27
Hi,

Was recently down in PP and based on reports here checked out Sharky's the location is okay, got the moto taxi to move around, Sharkys does show its age though the quality of talent is nothing to talk about though. Gave it a pass and moved over to nice pub called the lounge by the riverside had a nice time and skipped pp for P4P altogether, the chaotic traffic and air pollution is really bad, the sad part is the US dollar is the currency, *$! Third world facilities first world prices, Thailand is light years ahead of this place.

BBFirst world prices? You're joking, just because they use the currency doesn't mean you pay the same you would in the west. Thailand is much more expensive for P4P compared to to PP, shit you can have a girl for the price of a barfine in Thailand here.

Phil Istine
01-17-10, 16:57
I stumbled across a hostess bar review somewhere on the web and it mentioned Howie's bar. Next to the Heart, so I thought I gave it a try b/c Heart is just way too smokey for my well being.

Went there around 10pm and the place was mostly empty. The a/c was dialed to artic zone. There's a reason. Yes the music was pretty good, so I stayed longer than I should. The girls are okay. Also a nice pool table. Something in PP just doesn't agree with me since I arrived, so I'm not my full partying self. Still trying to figure out what it is but I think I've found it. Later.

I was looking for an excuse to leave Howie's and right there I saw this huge cockroach crawling in a somewhat drunken pace ('cause it was half frozen) from the bar to the pool table. That's it. I threw down my $ and left in a haste. (Might I say, never to return?)

Last night I was still fighting this mild discomfort that PP has giving me. I had slept thru the day, so I should go out at night. Eventually that perpetual sad news from Haiti gave me the strength to get up and go. I went out for a quick bite first. PP is great in that sense. You leave a $1 tip and people's eyes just lit up. Very entertaining.

Anyways, I found a motorcycle to street 104 for $1. I headed straight into Rose Bar. Rose bar was much livelier than Howie's, but probably because it was a Friday? I sat and kept to myself and unfortunately the ones that I was interested in some how all ended up being takeout "food".

Eventually I noticed Anna was always looking out the window, so I think she was itching to get out. 23yo small built nice rack for her size pleasant face. I interrupted her and asked her to sit with me.

Instead of drinking anchor cans, I started drinking Heineken, may be the local beer was making me sick?

Anna has a good friend Molly. Molly is taller, just as slim, sweet face with a naughty-look, small tits and nice ass. As soon as she showed up I knew I made a wrong call earlier. But I can't dump Anna now. I had an idea. So I asked Anna to go dancing with me and I asked her to bring Molly as well. Both girls jumped for joy at that idea (evil grin). Drinks and barfine for both girls came up to be $34.

We went to the Heart and I sat at the bar while the girls danced. It's a nice way to wear them out without me putting in any efforts.

It was 2:30am when I decided to go and both girls followed me back to the hotel. I think at this point everyone knew that everyone else's wish would be fullfilled that night. I negotiated the sandwich price from $40 to $30 each. In reality, both girls were quite new at it. Molly's BBBJ was unprofessional. She needs more practice. Pussy was really wet. I had fun with her, but I had to save some performance for Anna. Oh I forgot to mentioned that Anna was too shy, so the sandwich turned into one-after-the-other, while she waited patiently in the washroom! Came Anna's turn. She was really tight (Molly had 1 kid, so not as tight) and I skipped the foreplay and started doing my thing until completion.

Everyone got what s/he wanted and ended the night on a good note. The girls promised me next time will be a real sandwich.

Al

Ps. And I felt much better this morning, so I'll stick to imported beer from now on.Don't knock anchor beer, it is great.

It is brewed by tiger and the quality controls are stringent-they send a water sample to europe every week.

Most here like angkor draught but anchor cans.

I always drink with ice now, a la the khmers. In the bush one has no choice, no refrigeration.

ClarKent
01-17-10, 17:46
Ended up at Luxury World. Got FS from a decent looking Viet. Not the best performer but how do you ever know when picking from behind glass. Only got out once as most time was business. Massage after was crap.

Main question is there anyplace to get a decent MASSAGE. Think I'll be back in the next few weeks and would like to know if a place exists. Where the massage is good, and there's at least a little something extra. I mean a good massage gets the blood flowing. Whats the name of the bar you went to?

I was told to try a place called Asia Club. On monivong. Any experience there?


It depends on how happy you want your ending to be. Don't bother too much with the massage places in the tourist areas. You may get HJ in the massage places off the beaten track or in some of the the large Asian style hotels. FS is available in Paris Hotel (Kampuchea Krom road) or Luxury World Hotel (Monivong) and I assume that HJ is also available but probably not BJ - FS is generally available in any place you find that has a fish-bowl. There is also a kind of fishbowl around the corner from Walkabout where FS maybe available but I am not sure if it is still open for business. Let me know if you find more places with fishbowls.

For cleanliness and if you are not worried about paying up extra cash, go to the Luxury World Hotel. Only go into the place that has the fishbowl - I think there is a legit massage place there too but cannot remember. Ask for a VIP room (extra $3, I think). Khmer girls are the cheapest for tips but the last time I was there the Khmer girl was not happy with the $20 I offered for FS and was only marginally happy with $25.

I have had very mixed experiences in massage places in Cambodia - in one very basic place I asked for HJ and was firmly turned down. I immediately thought that I was in the wrong kind of place. Then the girl said firmly "only boom-book." But that was a hole in the wall place in Sihanookville, now closed.

I also got FS/HJ in places where you never expect it and nothing at all in places where you would think there is a good chance of something. I recently went into a bar that also offered massage - dingy room but ok. Nothing was offered but teased the girl a bit and got FS and DFK. FS may not be normally available there as the girl told me no way for boom boom as no condoms were available. When I pulled out my own condoms, she immediately agreed without naming any price. But she asked me to keep quiet about it with the management. So I think there they are only supposed to do HJ. I paid her $20 and she was very happy with that.

Luludinky
01-18-10, 03:30
Hi guys,

After dating a young Khmer cutie for a few months, I decided to create a blog to share with my fellow mongers a few pics, vids and experiences.

Just PM me for the address as I cannot post the link on ISG.

Cheers,

Lulu

Simian
01-18-10, 15:24
Ended up at Luxury World. Got FS from a decent looking Viet. Not the best performer but how do you ever know when picking from behind glass. Only got out once as most time was business. Massage after was crap.

Main question is there anyplace to get a decent MASSAGE. Think I'll be back in the next few weeks and would like to know if a place exists. Where the massage is good, and there's at least a little something extra. I mean a good massage gets the blood flowing. Whats the name of the bar you went to?

I was told to try a place called Asia Club. On monivong. Any experience there?

We have to keep up with the times - the word on the street is that many of the bars near the river will be gone by the next high season, seen off by police crackdowns, bad management (in some cases) and the economic downturn. For myself, I am a regular visitor to PP but am unable to bring company back to the hotel - so the bars are not really for me. I therefore look for some place that is discrete - like Le Circe or a massage place with FS - with FS as part of the menu and the more plush it is the better.

It would be great if one of the residents of PP could go out and do some research for the board - I did my best given the limited time I had in PP and the limitations on my time while there - you can see the results in my earlier posting. So could someone please come up with a few places in addition to the Paris Hotel, Luxury World and the "rip me off I'm a Barang" Vietnamese places on that street near the Heart of Darkness where a decent mongered practice the hobby? And a few reports would be great. We would forever be in your debt.

Wendella
01-19-10, 06:16
We have to keep up with the times

My last time in PP, I entered one of those Street 63 massage places. Now I guess you must have heard that these are total ripoff places, they pull the trousers on hook near the door scam (your money disappears). Well, not having enough money on me to steal, thought I'd give it a try. What happened? They wouldn't let me do anything without paying $15 up front. For the quality of service traditionally offered in these places, that was way high (and triple what I used to pay there not long ago). And knowing the calibre of ethics employed in those spots, it was pretty easy to predict how things would turn out if one paid up front. Even in the best times, they've always seemed very single-minded in their pursuit of making sure you leave disappointed. Anyway, the mamasan said that was not negotiable, pay first. I think they've decided they're not going to do business (other than total scams) with foreigners. The talent in those places isn't very appealing, so no big loss. I think if you saw one of those girls at Martini or some place, you'd never give them a 2nd glance. The only appeal is the price. Well... former price.

I'd also be interested to hear about MP places, and other kinds too. I'm not a big fan of the bars in the 104 area, prefer bigger places with more selection and less emphasis on hanging out for hours drinking and "having fun with the girls" (mindless horseplay with bargirls is kind of the opposite of my idea of fun).

Asianpussylover
01-20-10, 07:10
[QUOTE=Wendella]My last time in PP, I entered one of those Street 63 massage places. Now I guess you must have heard that these are total ripoff places, they pull the trousers on hook near the door scam (your money disappears).

Unless you haven't been laid in a year or more and have some street smarts-avoid this place. I went there after after having visited the infamous S-21. I really needed some yum yum before any boom boom. And I did not get it. What a waste of $20, (the papasan wanted $40-ha ha, no fucking way).

I learnt afterwards that you will only get boom boom, no yum yum at the places on 63rd. Also, this is the place for Viet girls. If that is your cup of tea, then enjoy.

Phantomtiger2
01-21-10, 01:14
[QUOTE=Wendella]I learnt afterwards that you will only get boom boom, no yum yum at the places on 63rd. Also, this is the place for Viet girls. If that is your cup of tea, then enjoy.Not entirely true. YES, the 63st houses are a ripoff as I've constantly have to remind everyone here over the years. But you have to play their game and if you know how, then both BJ and FS are possible, not easy, but still possible.

PT

Wendella
01-21-10, 06:03
[QUOTE=Asianpussylover]


Not entirely true. YES, the 63st houses are a ripoff as I've constantly have to remind everyone here over the years. But you have to play their game and if you know how, then both BJ and FS are possible, not easy, but still possible.

PTIs there an instruction manual included with this game?

I'll say, in my case, there was just no way to get any other situation than pay first and take the chance they're gonna be honest for the first time in history and actually provide what you paid for.

So like, how would you deal with a mamasan who's sternly insisting you pay first before even choosing a girl? I even offered to pay half up front, half after. Nope. I'm there thinking "Oh, it must be me who has the reputation for ripping people off, not the other way around. They have to be extra careful with us. Yeah. That's it."

Camboblowshooter
01-21-10, 06:19
I think it all depends on who you are and the content of your caracter.

Anyway, over the years never had any problems there, yamyam as much as you like but you have to talk softly to them.

Actually at this very moment I'm waiting in my house for one of them, nice viet, very good in blow job. Damage? 10 bucks plus 2 dollar moto go and come because my house far from street 63.

Never ever paid anybody up front in this country.

For the occasional tourist, good massage parlors in street 63 near sorya shopping mall is Bun Pav, and also even better(much more girls-only after 12 noon- Youchouv, to find this place go to Lucky supermarket on Sihanouk Boulevard, then immediately turn left into street 63 and take the first on your left again, 50 meters on your right hand is Youchouv, don't enter the hotel lobby but take the stairs left of it up to the 1st floor.

Both of these places massage is 4 dollars including room for one hour. The rest is up to you. But myself always pay 10 bucks for full service, and service they give you!

But again, you have to talk gentle to them, then anything goes.

Shadow6491
01-21-10, 10:07
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Is there an instruction manual included with this game?

I'll say, in my case, there was just no way to get any other situation than pay first and take the chance they're gonna be honest for the first time in history and actually provide what you paid for.

So like, how would you deal with a mamasan who's sternly insisting you pay first before even choosing a girl? I even offered to pay half up front, half after. Nope. I'm there thinking "Oh, it must be me who has the reputation for ripping people off, not the other way around. They have to be extra careful with us. Yeah. That's it."Just turn around and walk away. There are heaps of these places anyway. Its really not worth going in to most of them. esp ones that try these tatics.

Phil Istine
01-21-10, 10:48
I don't know why you guys continue to waste your time on st 63.

Paying before even viewing a girl? Are you mad?

Mart Cham
01-21-10, 13:17
[QUOTE=Wendella]Just turn around and walk away. There are heaps of these places anyway. Its really not worth going in to most of them. esp ones that try these tatics.AFAIK all of these places (63rd street) insist on up-front payment. 20 bucks is way too much though, the max I've ever paid there was 10$.

Asianpussylover
01-21-10, 20:58
Ok, let's get a consensus on the p4p prices. This should help bring the newbies and return travellers up to date. My experience in November 09 was as follows: short time at Somaly's was $20 including the room upstairs. The girls here are super eager for 3 somes. Short time at 63rd, $20. The Blue Mountain in snookyville, (the motel courtyard like place), $20 short time for the new in town, no clue barang, $10 repeat customer. Freedom Hotel, snookyville, $10 short time, $20 all night, (extra ugly girls). Chicken ranch snookyville, $5 short time, (a true third world experience). Zanzibar Siem Reap, (round $30 for short time), make sure you know what you are getting into as there were lots of lady boys around. I tried to get the old time rate of $3 for short time, but this was impossible. I will be back in March. Need some hints on the unknown, un-trodden places. Ps, I don't recommend the hotel/brothel in snooky that you guys know about. I loved the blue mountain a lot. The girls were friendlier and eager.

Mart Cham
01-22-10, 11:00
Ok, let's get a consensus on the p4p prices. This should help bring the newbies and return travellers up to date. My experience in November 09 was as follows: short time at Somaly's was $20 including the room upstairs. It's the second time I read something here about a place called Somaly's in PP. Never heard of it before (haven't been in PP for a year and a half). Would you mind elaborating a bit on this place?

Shadow6491
01-22-10, 12:43
It's the second time I read something here about a place called Somaly's in PP. Never heard of it before (haven't been in PP for a year and a half). Would you mind elaborating a bit on this place?Its the old Mikados on street 49

Shadow6491
01-22-10, 12:47
Ok, let's get a consensus on the p4p prices. This should help bring the newbies and return travellers up to date. My experience in November 09 was as follows: short time at Somaly's was $20 including the room upstairs. The girls here are super eager for 3 somes. Short time at 63rd, $20. The Blue Mountain in snookyville, (the motel courtyard like place), $20 short time for the new in town, no clue barang, $10 repeat customer. Freedom Hotel, snookyville, $10 short time, $20 all night, (extra ugly girls). Chicken ranch snookyville, $5 short time, (a true third world experience). Zanzibar Siem Reap, (round $30 for short time), make sure you know what you are getting into as there were lots of lady boys around. I tried to get the old time rate of $3 for short time, but this was impossible. I will be back in March. Need some hints on the unknown, un-trodden places. Ps, I don't recommend the hotel/brothel in snooky that you guys know about. I loved the blue mountain a lot. The girls were friendlier and eager.If you pay $20 for brothels on street 63 you have already been ripped off at least $10. I still get $5 at many brothels around town sometimes it is $6.25 or $7.50 the 5000 or 10000 riel is for the house and the $5 is for the girl. zjust look for the signs. Massage 5000 riel.

Phil Istine
01-22-10, 16:40
Missus out of town so had a night at the opera.

Gilbert and sullivan a bit dry but enjoyed mikado anyway.

Girls a bit sparse but one was really keen, strolled down the road to LCC just in case.

Had one beer, very few girls and not one would talk to me.

They know me to be a non player. Despite this being my on night.

Back to mikado, cross examined the little player who was ex sofie.

She agreed that she would suck my cock and lick my arse and give me a massage in between.

Upstairs to the mirrored room, all was good.

Even this old bugger came in her mouth twice.

Damage $20 plus I gave her a $5 tip-name anna, tiny girl.

Missus home from wedding this morning, more great sex-how I love this town.

Mart Cham
01-22-10, 23:03
Its the old Mikados on street 49OK thanks.

Milkweed
01-23-10, 10:07
I still get $5 at many brothels around town sometimes it is $6.25 or $7.50 the 5000 or 10000 riel is for the house and the $5 is for the girl. zjust look for the signs. Massage 5000 riel.Where to look? I've been here a couple days and I don't see the 5000 riel signs.

Milkweed
01-23-10, 10:12
For the occasional tourist, good massage parlors in street 63 near sorya shopping mall is Bun PavWent there today. They have a fishbowl. IMO, the girls aren't that good looking. But yeah, $4 for the massage + room and the rest is between you and the girl. I felt no hustle which was nice for a change.

Camboblowshooter
01-23-10, 14:10
Milkweed, go to Youchov, much more choice.

That you can not see the 5000 riel massage places? They are all over the place. If you are at riverside go direction Japanese bridge, is not far, on your left hand side you will see some places you will like, go in afternoon time.

Was in Somaly last month but as an ex devotee of Sohpie club, not impressed.

Will go again there later tonight and give a report about it tomorrow. Good or bad.

Camboblowshooter
01-24-10, 04:12
So, paid Somaly a visit last night, well., was ok, took a former sohpie girl upstairs, BBBJ cim, in no way it can be compared to the former Sophies and the prices have simply doubled. But the occaional tourist can have a go, he will probably be happy with it.

Some new hoarhouses opended near the Japanese friendship bridge, open your eye and you will find them easily, service same same for a fraction of the cost you pay at 'barang' oriented places, but only go there in daytime and be vigilant.

Plane Guy
01-25-10, 06:29
Took the boat from Semi Reap. Great trip, more costly than the bus but better views and you arrive fresh. Spend the afternoon seeing the area around the river and getting settled in. I am here for 3 weeks so no rush. After dinner, I walk along the river and just watch the world go by. Had several groups of local girls sit down and chat, seemed to be in threeís and a number of SWís passing by looking for a response. Local girls were definitely available, did not get into price, as I was just not attracted to the one that was doing the talking. Her gf was cute but did not seem interested. Told them I would see them tomorrow night, she smiled and said we be here about 9. Will see what the day has to offer.....

Lots of good repots here, will post my expierences.

Shadow6491
01-25-10, 06:36
The Walkabout in recent weeks has extended its no ID policy to guys bring girls back to the Hotel. Even guys that have been regular customers for years have been told that if the girl has no id she cant come in. There is also a policy of if the girls are dressed to sexy they cant come in.

So if you are staying at the walkabout and bring a girl back from Heart or Martinis chances are your not going to be allowed to take her back to your room.

The night manager has told me many customer have had to check out after staying one or two nights of there two week trip due to these policies.

Ang Stas
01-26-10, 02:11
there is also a policy of if the girls are dressed to sexy they cant come in.

this is an old policy. you may notice that the girls who come to walkabout after they have been in say martinis get changed so they are able to get in. so no black cocktail dress for example? well the fit viet's anyway.

the walkabout in recent weeks has extended its no id policy to guys bring girls back to the hotel

this policy is about 4 months old, maybe more? oct/nov for sure? i think an **** girl was found in the hotel last year... bad scene for them.

anything else? oh yeah lcc has the upstairs room open again. at least it did. same prices as the ones listed here before.

Betong
01-26-10, 15:04
The night manager has told me many customer have had to check out after staying one or two nights of there two week trip due to these policies.Given the, er, quality of the rooms at the Walkabout, if you can't bring back a girl of your choice then why would anyone in their right mind stay there?

We should have known the place was in trouble when they changed the name of the upstairs bar from The Whale 'n' Hoe -- one of the great bar names ever.

Cambo is a-changing . . . .

Senso08
01-26-10, 17:07
Where is Mikado?

Is it the same as Somali?

Mart Cham
01-26-10, 18:53
Given the, er, quality of the rooms at the Walkabout, if you can't bring back a girl of your choice then why would anyone in their right mind stay there?


Yeah and the policy about girls dressed too sexy who can't come in... A joke right?
Seriously, the WA is a low-key pick-up joint in feckin' Phnom Penh, are they upgrading to a teahouse? Some upgrading in the kitchen will be seriously needed then. And what's next? Polo evenings? Rotary charity events? Will the girls be allowed to be on coke but not on meth?
I've never stayed there and I've never short-timed in their rooms either so I've never had the problem but I can't remember of any pull, anywhere in PP, who were able to produce an ID card.

Dinghy
01-27-10, 02:27
somaly is the same place Mikado WAS and cyrcee is just across the street

Mik Hcmc
01-27-10, 03:11
seriously, the wa is a low-key pick-up joint in feckin' phnom penh, are they upgrading to a teahouse? some upgrading in the kitchen will be seriously needed then. and what's next? polo evenings? rotary charity events? will the girls be allowed to be on coke but not on meth?
i've never stayed there and i've never short-timed in their rooms either so i've never had the problem but i can't remember of any pull, anywhere in pp, who were able to produce an id card.

i was staying at flamingo's in november 09, eating at wa for lunch and dinner. nice food but i was deliberately avoiding eye contact with the working girls there. the quality of these were just awful. even when i was eating my meal i was getting disturbed by these girls. had they been nicer to look at then no problem but these looked like they were scraping the bottom of the ugly barrel.
however beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some will argue that they are beautiful to them but they didn't do anything for me.

Wendella
01-27-10, 06:19
However beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Some will argue that they are beautiful to them but they didn't do anything for me.

Not sure, but ugliness is definitely right there in the girl.

I recently saw an MP page and asked diff members what they thought, whod they'd pick out of the 20+ girls. Every person who replied picked the same girl. My own take: beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, it's in the girl. It's just the 7-8 range where beholding comes into play at all. And ugly is just ugly.

Mart Cham
01-27-10, 09:00
i was staying at flamingo's in november 09, eating at wa for lunch and dinner. nice food but i was deliberately avoiding eye contact with the working girls there. the quality of these were just awful. even when i was eating my meal i was getting disturbed by these girls. had they been nicer to look at then no problem but these looked like they were scraping the bottom of the ugly barrel.
however beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some will argue that they are beautiful to them but they didn't do anything for me.

well last time i went to pp i thought some were really okay looking but that was quite a long time ago (may 2008), might have changed a lot.

Sharka
01-28-10, 01:49
Not sure, but ugliness is definitely right there in the girl.

And ugly is just ugly.

Yup, can't argue with that one.

Shark

Betong
01-28-10, 04:45
Well last time I went to PP I thought some were really okay looking but that was quite a long time ago (May 2008), might have changed a lot.Me too, exactly a year ago. I especially remember one nice little thing named Naren.

Sometimes it pays to be a bit of a contrarian. When everyone starts saying "Avoid x, it really sucks", I'll still go by once in a while and check it out just in case. You never can tell when a nice girl is going to walk into any bar, good or bad. That said, the WA was pretty hopeless last week. But then I swung by Sharky, another place that a lot of experts say to avoid now, and found a total lovely.

Phil Istine
01-28-10, 16:08
I've criticised sharky in the past but having gone there a few times over the last couple of months-its good.

It was always the closest thing to a pub here and with good food.

The food is still good and the local talent has got much better.

Dinghy
01-29-10, 05:27
beauty is skin deep but UGLY goes clear to the BONE!!

Wendella
01-30-10, 11:46
Are they selling the gel versions of the different stiffy drugs these days in PP? If so, at reasonable prices? I haven't tried those yet, was considering picking some up when I'm (possibly) there next month to see how it is. If the answer is Yes, would be good to know exactly where to go. I've used those pharmacies near the Psar Thmei market, St 154 or thereabout (I'm a bit fuzzy on the memory but once I'm on the ground I'd find them quickly -- haven't been in PP in over 2 yrs) to get the knockoffs like Apcalis and Kamagra in pill form before.

Dinghy
01-30-10, 17:11
It was a few months ago - but the chemists on the right side of 136 between 53 (corner of the market) and 51 (Pasteur) had everything. There seems to be no more availability of APSALIS (I guess the Indian connection dried up) and Avoid the CHINESE knock off - in my case TOTALLY ineffective. The kamagra gel is available and is cheaper "buy" the box. The first place on the right (all the boxes in the window advertising) is where I got the bad CIALIS but the kamagra seagra zeagra tablet prices were pretty good (under $3 / pack)

El Greco
01-30-10, 19:40
Are they selling the gel versions of the different stiffy drugs these days in PP? If so, at reasonable prices? I haven't tried those yet, was considering picking some up when I'm (possibly) there next month to see how it is. If the answer is Yes, would be good to know exactly where to go. I've used those pharmacies near the Psar Thmei market, St 154 or thereabout (I'm a bit fuzzy on the memory but once I'm on the ground I'd find them quickly -- haven't been in PP in over 2 yrs) to get the knockoffs like Apcalis and Kamagra in pill form before.

FYI and reference I get the Kamagra 100mg oral gel in Pattaya for 1.500 baht the 50 pieces pack.

They come in three flavors: Orange, Strawberry and fruit cocktail.

Jsayla
01-30-10, 22:34
Hello, all.,

This is my first trip to Phnom Penh, not quite true as I was here for 3 days a year ago but was so sick after a couple of weeks in Sihanoukville that I could not leave the hotel. Anyway, I've booked 4 nights at Casa Hotel followed by 3 nights at Flamingo. Questions about the Casa. What's the story with the nightclub? Is it karaoke or some other style? Are the girls freelance or controlled by a mamasan? Any idea what the going rates are? And about the sauna. Is it just a sauna or is there something else going on there?

Forearmed is forewarned as they say. Thanks for your help.

Sharka
01-31-10, 00:19
beauty is skin deep but UGLY goes clear to the BONE!!


Ha ha, think we should stop at "skin deep". I think we all look the same as skeletons=bones, that is unless the lady had the skeleton of the Elephant man .

Shark

Mart Cham
01-31-10, 03:05
It was a few months ago - but the chemists on the right side of 136 between 53 (corner of the market) and 51 (Pasteur) had everything. There seems to be no more availability of APSALIS (I guess the Indian connection dried up) and Avoid the CHINESE knock off - in my case TOTALLY ineffective. The kamagra gel is available and is cheaper "buy" the box. The first place on the right (all the boxes in the window advertising) is where I got the bad CIALIS but the kamagra seagra zeagra tablet prices were pretty good (under $3 / pack)

Bought some zeagra once too and was very happy with them. My friend complained about headache though. Not sure if he'd have complained with kamagra as he's not a regular user.

Kuranyi
01-31-10, 03:47
Stayed 2 days in PP. I really like the city and the variety of girls it has to offer. Look wise much better than in Thailand IMHO.

Unfortunately twice a bad experience.First day i told my moto driver to bring me to some cheap cambo brothels.Finally found one with a nice girl for 10$ bum bum.The fuck was a bit rushed but for 10$ it was all good until later i found out that she had stolen 30$ out of my wallet this lil *****.It was located on Pl 180.
Second night i took one from Blackcat Bar near Heart of Darkness.Agreed on 20$ ST.At the room she didn't want to shower at first.I told her no way without a shower before.Then she didn't want to suck,no titty kissing etc.she stopped letting me fuck her after like 10 min and complained about my big dick. blablabla kicked her out with 10$ and she threatened me with the police.

Is such a ripoff usual in PP?girls unwilling to perform and stealing?

Wendella
01-31-10, 07:27
Stayed 2 days in PP.I really like the city and the variety of girls it has to offer.Lookwise much better than in thailand imho.

Unfortunately twice a bad experience.First day i told my moto driver to bring me to some cheap cambo brothels.Finally found one with a nice girl for 10$ bum bum.The fuck was a bit rushed but for 10$ it was all good until later i found out that she had stolen 30$ out of my wallet this lil *****.It was located on Pl 180.
Second night i took one from blackcat bar near Heart of Darkness.Agreed on 20$ ST.At the room she didnt want to shower at first.I told her no way without a shower before.Then she didnt want to suck,no titty kissing etc.she stopped letting me fuck her after like 10min and complained about my big dick.blablabla kicked her out with 10$ and she threatend me with the police;)

Is such a ripoff usual in PP?girls unwilling to perform and stealing?

Day 1: well why should she waste time having sex with you when she already had your $30? Seriously, that one is typical -- I had it pulled on me, tho by amazing luck I actually spotted the hand coming in the door to grab my pants off the hook they were hanging on. It might have been actually another employee who did the stealing, but it's a moot point because they're all aware and in on it. And that includes your driver. These guys know these places are ripoff spots, and they take you there. So if you are looking for the primary person to blame, that's the guy.

2nd situation is much less typical but not unheard of. Sometimes you just get a lemon. A few possibilities on that one: 1. she's new and not keen on it, got into it and realized she couldn't stand it, just wanted out. 2. she's experienced and has some prior success pulling that stunt and getting her money regardless, 3. she received a text message or call from a regular for her to come over a.s.a.p. so was trying to do whatever it took to ditch you. 4. there's something about you she wasn't digging (b.o., big dick, bad breath, whatever). Btw don't take it personally if #4 might be true -- its happened to me, probably happens to everyone unless they look and smell like George Clooney (I have no idea about his dick size btw-- who knows mabye it happens to him too).

Kuranyi
01-31-10, 12:35
It was exactly like this. She was hanging my trousers with my wallet on the hook and told me to lay down for a massage. She sat on my back and started massaging and gave me a kiss on the cheek etc. At that time someone from outside the room grabbed my wallet. Ok I wasn't careful enough and not prepared for that. But hey you live and learn. They were so kind just to put half of the money out.

Mart Cham
01-31-10, 18:52
It was exactly like this.She was hanging my trousers with my wallet on the hook and told me to lay down for a massage.She sat on my back and started massaging and gave me a kiss on the cheek etc.At that time someone from outside the room grabbed my wallet.Ok i wasnt careful enough and not prepared for that.But hey you live and learn.They were so kind just to put half of the money out;)

Dude you fell for the most wellknown of all PP scams. Should have RTFF, search for Street 63 and you'll find hundreds of posts on the topic.
I guess even they are surprised that it still works sometimes ;)

RockyMtnWay
02-01-10, 13:54
Agreed on 20$ ST.At the room she didnt want to shower at first.I told her no way without a shower before.Then she didnt want to suck,no titty kissing etc.she stopped letting me fuck her after like 10min and complained about my big dick.blablabla kicked her out with 10$ and she threatend me with the police;)
Did you ask her what she would do before you took her? Many hostess bar girls will not do oral "yum yum". It's pretty much up to you to determine what you get before you buy it. Although the no shower thing and only 10 minutes (have lube?) sounds like you just got an all around dud.

RMW

Asianpussylover
02-01-10, 19:59
Did you ask her what she would do before you took her? Many hostess bar girls will not do oral "yum yum". It's pretty much up to you to determine what you get before you buy it. Although the no shower thing and only 10 minutes (have lube?) sounds like you just got an all around dud.

RMWIt is highly unusual for an Asian woman not to take a shower before and after the act. So you lost $10, just chalk it up to experience. It's a good thing you got the rid of her before she became a bigger headache. Just be a good soldier and go back out and fuck the next one like she is the last woman on the planet.

Ang Stas
02-02-10, 01:30
Any updates on the current BF and approx LT prices of the bars on these 2 streets?

One Wing Low
02-02-10, 07:27
i wanted to try the brothels on 63rd street. was driven there in a toyota camry by sovann, a well-known pp driver. he told me there were recent raids that shut down a lot of prostitution dens in the area.

i read this thread and knew their tricks stealing johns' wallet. sovann was waiting in his car on the street. he warned me that they would try to steal my wallet in the room while i was having sex with the girl. if they do, there is nothing he could do to help. i still wanted to go in for the experience.

it was a house in a residential area. there was a big rooms with lots of chairs and pink fluorescent lights on the ceiling. the owner was an old viet guy. he told me girls were out shopping. the family with 4 young children was having lunch on the filthy kitchen floor.

i went with the only girl available, mid 20's, decent looking. the rate was about $5. went upstairs to her small room with a bed and a rattan shelf next to the door. she suggested i leave my clothes on the shelf. no fucking way honey. i aint about to be fucked and get my wallet stolen by these assholes.

so i rolled up my pants with the wallet in the pocket and held it down with my right hand while i fucked the shit out of her...

washed up and went down to sovann. he could not believe i did not get my ass raped and wallet stolen in the crooks' den.

spent a coule nights crusing the bars, taking girls back to hotel. prostitutes in pp were mostly viet girls. sovann must know where to find very pretty and sweet khmer girls, but he never took me there.


it was exactly like this.she was hanging my trousers with my wallet on the hook and told me to lay down for a massage.she sat on my back and started massaging and gave me a kiss on the cheek etc.at that time someone from outside the room grabbed my wallet.ok i wasnt careful enough and not prepared for that.but hey you live and learn.they were so kind just to put half of the money out;)

Shadow6491
02-03-10, 02:19
i wanted to try the brothels on 63rd street. was driven there in a toyota camry by sovann, a well-known pp driver. he told me there were recent raids that shut down a lot of prostitution dens in the area.

i read this thread and knew their tricks stealing johns' wallet. sovann was waiting in his car on the street. he warned me that they would try to steal my wallet in the room while i was having sex with the girl. if they do, there is nothing he could do to help. i still wanted to go in for the experience.

it was a house in a residential area. there was a big rooms with lots of chairs and pink fluorescent lights on the ceiling. the owner was an old viet guy. he told me girls were out shopping. the family with 4 young children was having lunch on the filthy kitchen floor.

i went with the only girl available, mid 20's, decent looking. the rate was about $5. went upstairs to her small room with a bed and a rattan shelf next to the door. she suggested i leave my clothes on the shelf. no fucking way honey. i aint about to be fucked and get my wallet stolen by these assholes.

so i rolled up my pants with the wallet in the pocket and held it down with my right hand while i fucked the shit out of her...

washed up and went down to sovann. he could not believe i did not get my ass raped and wallet stolen in the crooks' den.

spent a coule nights crusing the bars, taking girls back to hotel. prostitutes in pp were mostly viet girls. sovann must know where to find very pretty and sweet khmer girls, but he never took me there.


well hes in jail now for some very bad things.

Kuranyi
02-03-10, 05:14
Well hes in jail now for some very bad things.Who is in jail now?

Yea guys should have known the scam. Anyway now I always keep my wallet on me. BTW made some great experiences in Sihanoukville.

Shadow6491
02-03-10, 07:20
police in cambodia have arrested two locals and a us man after smashing a seven-year **** ring offering **** "virgin" girls to tourists for $us3,000 ($a3,327) a night, they say.

taxi driver mey sovann, 36, and his female accomplice sek vy, 47, were arrested on friday for providing **** girls for sexual services, said bith kimhong, head of cambodia's anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) unit, on sunday.

a six-month investigation, aided by the french police's international technical co-operation delegation (sctip), found that since 2003, mey sovann had advertised **** virgin girls on the internet for $us3,000 ($a3,327) a night.

he would pick up customers from phnom penh airport and show them pictures, before taking them to meet the girls at a guesthouse owned by sek vy, according to an officer from sctip's cambodia office, who asked not to be named.

mey sovann was arrested by undercover police at the airport in possession of the **** girls' photographs, while sek vy was arrested at her guesthouse in kandal province, about 20km south of phnom penh.

american carl craig thomas, 58, was also arrested on saturday in the capital for sexually abusing three **** girls provided by the cambodian pair, and for child pornography pictures he took at the guesthouse, bith kimhong said.

"we have arrested the man and the woman who provided **** girls. during the investigation, we found they were providing three **** girls to the us man too," bith kimhong told afp.

"now we are investigating the case further to see if they have a wider network," he added.

cambodia has struggled to shed its reputation as a haven for ****s, putting dozens of foreigners in jail for child sex crimes or deporting them to face trial in their home countries since 2003.

One Wing Low
02-03-10, 10:08
this is very serious stuff.

where did you get this news piece from? when did it happen?

american ****s face prosecution when they return home. there were guys who were charged merely with intent to sexually abuse children. they were arrested at the airport leaving the us, based on their emails to arrange sexual services with children overseas.

of course there was the radiologist at km11 who bragged to msnbc camera crew about how cheap it was to have sex with children in cambodia. he was immediately charged with the crime in absentia.

looks like sovann is gonna be in the slammer for a long time. that is if he survives the assaults by prisoners who usually take it out on child molesters.

he never brought up anything about children to me. he was driving me to the bars, restaurants and the 63rd street brothels.



police in cambodia have arrested two locals and a us man after smashing a seven-year **** ring offering **** "virgin" girls to tourists for $us3,000 ($a3,327) a night, they say.

taxi driver mey sovann, 36, and his female accomplice sek vy, 47, were arrested on friday for providing **** girls for sexual services, said bith kimhong, head of cambodia's anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) unit, on sunday.

cambodia has struggled to shed its reputation as a haven for ****s, putting dozens of foreigners in jail for child sex crimes or deporting them to face trial in their home countries since 2003.

Wendella
02-03-10, 10:27
When did this happen?

Subaculture
02-03-10, 12:56
When did this happen?

This may be it.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010020231560/National-news/police-blotter-02-feb-2010.html

Suspects arrested on way to hotel
Phnom Penh Municipal Court issued a citation on Friday to detain five people aged between 24 and 45-years-old, all accused of soliciting sex from girls aged between eight and 20. Local police arrested two of the accused on January 25 as they were taking two girls to a hotel room in the capital.

Run Mann
02-03-10, 14:11
This story is dated 24 Jan 2010 but people should know that there are/were two drivers named Sovannís in PP, the one that has been arrested was a member of this site and was banned before. In the past I've used both of these drivers and while I found Chhoeun Sovann to be a true gentleman I can't say the same for Mey Sovann.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6715670/cambodia-police-bust-paedophile-ring/

Asianpussylover
02-04-10, 01:14
Wowww.I hope it is not the Sovann that I met back in October of 2009, who is also a site member. He is a nice guy who knows the p4p seen very well. He did not offer me anything illegal. I found that on my own using street smarts. Its available if you really want. Just be careful and keep your eyes open. The spies are everywhere. Be careful at the Flamingos. $3000 is ndeed the going rate on the streets for a bona fide virgin. It's a secret market with hidden mechanics. That scene is for the fat cat Khmers who are above and beyond jail time-and prosecution. An ordinary tourist doesn't have the time or the bucks or connections for this. Anyway, if you do the math 3000 can go a long way at Somaly's and other places. Heck you can have a couple thousand shags until you just drop dead. I prefer that thank you. And while we are on this subject, I read a recent report dated December 2009 that the old svay pak maybe coming back after all. You can find it online cause I just read it last week. Ahhhh corruption, I love it.

Asianpussylover
02-04-10, 02:03
Ok, so I hate to say something without proof.

Here is the the report I told you guys about.

www.baysideonline.com/10922/update-on-svay-pak-cambodia

Ok jail is no playground. Be safe. There is a lot of money to be made off of a foreigner when the real culprit, (Asian), has all the fun. No hating, just reality.

Sharka
02-04-10, 02:47
This story is dated 24 Jan 2010 but people should know that there are/were two drivers named Sovannís in PP, the one that has been arrested was a member of this site and was banned before. In the past I've used both of these drivers and while I found Chhoeun Sovann to be a true gentleman I can't say the same for Mey Sovann.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6715670/cambodia-police-bust-paedophile-ring/


Based on what was said about the 2 Sovann, at least the one arrested seem to deserve it.

Sharka
02-04-10, 02:55
Dude you fell for the most wellknown of all PP scams. Should have RTFF, search for Street 63 and you'll find hundreds of posts on the topic.
I guess even they are surprised that it still works sometimes ;)


The main reason why this scam works is not because of the newbies on ISG that head to Cambodia and not reading about this and falls for the trap. The members of ISG makes up a very very small % of all the suckers that head over to these brothels. I can't even count the number of times I'm at a bar and listening to "1st time male tourist" about how they got ripped off. It's this main group of people that keeps the scam profits going.

Shark

Sharka
02-04-10, 02:58
Is such a ripoff usual in PP?girls unwilling to perform and stealing?


The answer is, Yes, if you are getting them from FL hangouts, and streets. Not so much from the better well know establishments.

Shark

One Wing Low
02-04-10, 06:58
Sovann Mee sounds about right. Sovann is his first name? He did have a web site showing a lot of girls.

He was banned from ISG for posting his email and phone number.

He drove me to some of the best restaurants in PP and he refused to join me for dinner. He never proposed anything. He was just driving me to wherever I asked him.



This story is dated 24 Jan 2010 but people should know that there are/were two drivers named Sovannís in PP, the one that has been arrested was a member of this site and was banned before. In the past I've used both of these drivers and while I found Chhoeun Sovann to be a true gentleman I can't say the same for Mey Sovann.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6715670/cambodia-police-bust-paedophile-ring/

Mart Cham
02-04-10, 10:07
sovannmee was not banned because he posted his email address/phone number as you can see below.


my rate is $35/day.

the girls from 15yrs old 17yrs old $100st and 12yrs old-14yrs old cost you $170 st.

hope you aren't ngo's disguise.

wow, not cheap to be a ****!

Mick888
02-04-10, 17:16
why not just take pictures of the ****s and forward to american fbi so they can be searched on returning to us, they may have photos on them, enough to charge them. how did they know they were americans? i think unless they saw passports, german, swiss, brits all look alike.

Mart Cham
02-05-10, 08:01
how did they know they were americans? i think unless they saw passports, german, swiss, brits all look alike.
not too difficult to tell if someone is a yank, a brit, a spaniard or german.
however it does not make a big difference. western european ****s face criminal charges in their own country for acts committed abroad as well. this is not an american only law.

Nerdynomad
02-06-10, 05:45
i'm kinda baffled as to why people even allude to what they might be getting up to or offering members in cambodia on here, if anyone is under the illusion that this is a private forum and people will keep your secrets because you pay $20 a year you are deluded. other than there being plently of members who would be happy to out you and have you arrested (me being one of them), i can gurantee that this forum is being monitored by authorities all over the world. ****s are not safe here on this forum, in cambodia or anywhere else.

Vlad Impaler
02-07-10, 10:02
other than there being plently of members who would be happy to out you and have you arrested (me being one of them),. ****s are not safe here on this forum, in cambodia or anywhere else.well spoken nerdynomad.

and not only are '****s are not safe here on this forum", they are also not welcome, just to emphasize what you have said.

mr ****, part of joining and using this forum is an implicit and explicit agreement that the members, the forum and the organisers will have nothing to do with such obnoxious and cowardly abuse of children.

and the term 'children' isn't resticted to the very young.

it means anyone below the age of consent, even by one day, male or female.

don't agree please just stay away from us, mr ****.

and seek medical assistance for your perversion, mr ****.

or, if you are unwilling to seek such help, simply do us all a favour and just commit suicide.

of course you, mr ****, are too much of a coward for either solution, so i hope that you illegal activities place you in prison where the other inmates will demonstrate the pain of your disgusting activities.

Wendella
02-08-10, 05:46
To the guy posting weird abusive PM's to me... probably better if you chill out and not do that again. Not exactly a convincing argument in favor of your position. Imagine if I reposted what you wrote to me here in the thread, how would that make you look?

Thought you would have been over this by now.

Let it go. I disagree. That's all there is to it.

The strange formatting in your PM makes me think you might have done it while drunk or something. If so, no big deal. But do us both a favor, delete whatever PMs from me that make you upset (so you're not tempted to reply to them again for a 3rd or 4th time months from now), forget about it, and move on.

(posted this yesterday in the wrong thread by accident)

Wendella
02-09-10, 07:15
forgot to mention: that PM you just responded to was sent weeks ago, and you had already replied to it before in a similar way. Maybe you mistakenly thought my old pm was a new one again. You told me not to PM you, so I did just that and did not reply. I assumed by your insisting on my not PMing you, it would mean you would do the same.

Anyway, I say let's just forget the whole thing and get back to the subject at hand, one we can mostly agree on.

Phil Istine
02-11-10, 09:41
Of course I am drunk half the time-its a free world isn't it?

If you want to post any private PMs go ahead brother.

I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me.

Why on earth would it worry me?

Do I have a reputation to protect-of course not.

I just have opinions on politics that are hard earned.

I have lived in this country long enough to know more than most.

Evianist
02-11-10, 12:05
if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? it's too big to fit in a pocket so i'd be carrying a camera bag until I whipped it out


I really want to get some pictures of the people but if I don't make it back with my camera there's not really any point is there

Shadow6491
02-11-10, 13:49
if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? it's too big to fit in a pocket so i'd be carrying a camera bag until I whipped it out


I really want to get some pictures of the people but if I don't make it back with my camera there's not really any point is there

You probably wont get your camera stolen. But think about this, I was sitting at the market this morning having breakfast and a tourist toting a big camera got within 4 feet of an old toothless khmer guy who looked like he had had a rough life just sitting minding his own business. How would you feel if someone made you out to be something of a curio something strange to be photographed.

It was really rude and cruel. My girlfriend told me that some of the people get really angry at this and rightfully so.

So please be respectful and do unto others as you would have them do to you.

Evianist
02-11-10, 13:53
You probably wont get your camera stolen. But think about this, I was sitting at the market this morning having breakfast and a tourist toting a big camera got within 4 feet of an old toothless khmer guy who looked like he had had a rough life just sitting minding his own business. How would you feel if someone made you out to be something of a curio something strange to be photographed.

It was really rude and cruel. My girlfriend told me that some of the people get really angry at this and rightfully so.

So please be respectful and do unto others as you would have them do to you.


Yes I've travelled a bit and I'm aware of this. I'd also just feel too awkward standing there pointing a camera at someone. That's why I bought a lens with a very big zoom; I can take the same shots from across the street.

Sharka
02-12-10, 00:17
if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed? it's too big to fit in a pocket so i'd be carrying a camera bag until I whipped it out


I really want to get some pictures of the people but if I don't make it back with my camera there's not really any point is there


Your camera is safe (assuming you are walking and taking pics daytime) as nite is a whole different story. Rather than hanging the camera out for all to see, I usually put it in a bag and take it out when I need to.

Also, best to ask permission before taking a close up of people as most will be happy to do so, I usually show them the pic after I take it on the camera screen and they are happy to see it.
Pics taken from across the street and farther away (not close ups of people) are never a problem.


Shark

Ekspat
02-12-10, 04:03
if I take an SLR camera out into the streets am I basically asking to get robbed?
At daytime you should be safe IMO.
But to be honest I haven't been to PP for 5 years or so.
Don't know about any changes in safety there.

I was there many times between 2002 and 2005 always with DSLR,
at a time when DSLR's weren't that common as today,
Fuji S2Pro and later Nikon D2X, and especially the Nikon is quite a big cam.
Never had any problems.

Take care!

Wendella
02-12-10, 04:23
Of course I am drunk half the time-its a free world isn't it?


Yeah that explains a lot. Well like I said, obviously we disagree, so that's that. I guess if I get any more of these foaming at the mouth PM's I'll just ignore them knowing they're probably just you re-reading old PMs again while you're drunk and itching to fight. Oh that Philistine, there he goes again. In the PM you sent over a month ago, you ordered me to never PM you again. So then I get this one from you a few days ago, again with this out of control hostile tone, name-calling. Sorry, dude, it's just bizarre. Chill out. Stick to what you do well, commenting on the scene. Nobody wants to find this kind ofcrap in their inbox.

Evianist
02-12-10, 06:59
Thanks guys. I'm hopefully going to take some pics today.


On my first cambodian girl:

She didn't shower before. Not surprisingly, when I took her shorts off she smelt pretty off down below. After the first fuck I told her she needed to shower. She said "no, you shower, I cold" and then fell asleep. After the second fuck still no shower. Going to have to lather my groin with anti-fungal cream today.

In spite of that, she was gorgeous, and the beauty being so exotic meant that I spent a lot of the time just staring at her. There's something about brown bodies that really does it for me. Would like to see her again but the lack of hygiene will probably dissuade me.


On Sharky's:

First place I went to in Phnom Penh. Definitely some lookers here, and I can be picky. Got there when it was still mostly empty and had a meal. When it filled up a bit, two 40ish hags were the first to approach me. The one in particular just stayed next to me and wouldn't leave until I stopped looking at her or responding when she asked me things. Another fairly attractive girl sat down and asked if I was scowling because of the two hags hanging all over me and she sort of saved me from them and we talked for quite a while. Was going to take her out. She quoted me $30 for short time. I asked what short time meant and she said "1 time". She wouldn't budge much from that, and I started to lose interest. Then she started answering a text from some other guy while I was sitting there with her. She actually asked me to type out the response for her to get the English correct. So I'm sitting there texting one of this girl's clients for her. What a turn on. I suspect she just wanted to rush out a boom boom with me and be ready to meet her regular client afterwards. Completely lost interest. Left.

Would go back and hopefully will attract some better girls.


On Heart of Darkness:

Great place to hang out, even if you're not looking for a girl, though it needs to be doubled in size. Plenty of lookers here too.

One thing I did notice is that a lot of the girls seemed a bit aggressive/violent. Like shoving each other or yelling and shrieking and falling over. Was a definite change in mood after being around quiet Thai girls for the past month. Though I guess it makes sense that Cambodian girls would have an edge to them given the country they live in. Also I wondered if a lot of them weren't on drugs? I saw some pretty hazy eyes, and it would explain some of the falling over behavior. Could have just been drunk maybe.


On Shanghai:

Again some very attractive girls here, but it seems this is more of a hostess bar. I got all doe-eyed for one girl in particular, and when I asked her about leaving she said I had to spend about $15 or $16 on drinks and then maybe she could go to heart or darkness with me after shanghai closed. No thanks. She then asked if she could go with me anyways because she wanted to use me to make some guy she had a crush on jealous. No, thank you.

No reason to go back. Pretty girls aren't so pretty if they're unavailable.


On Cyrcee:

Well this was a bit different. Get mobbed on walking in by 6 or 7 girls rubbing me and basically the entire bar was staring at me for a good 10 minutes. Was not expecting that and it turned me back into a nervous teen for a bit. In most places I prefer to lurk a while and do some due diligence observing the girls interacting with clients and each other so I can find one with a good hearted attitude.

Since I hadn't really responded to the swarm at the beginning, most of the girls stopped paying attention to me except a couple that I didn't really like. Also I couldn't figure out what the procedure is for this place, what happens upstairs, and whether you can take the girls out. No one there explained it to me either. The girl I wanted the most was a bartender. Half the girls looked like they could easily land me in jail, though I'm not making any accusations because it's hard to tell. Seeing cute tiny girls who look 14 and 15 being groped by old creepy french guys can sadden you a bit.


On Phnom Penh:

Filthy, vile shithole. Yet strangely intriguing. When I was in central europe I couldn't tell a genocide had taken place there, but in cambodia you can really feel it. I'm constantly tense and on edge here. Thailand seems like an immaculate first world paradise in comparison.

Mart Cham
02-12-10, 16:41
On my first cambodian girl
Just put the girl in the shower and wash her next time!


Also I wondered if a lot of them weren't on drugs? I saw some pretty hazy eyes, and it would explain some of the falling over behavior. Could have just been drunk maybe.
A lot of the girls who do the walkabout-sharky-martini-heart circuit are on yaba / ice indeed. I like them like that but one has to be constantly careful dealing with those girls, they go nuts quite easily. And obviously they tend to try and steal your stuff if you give them the opportunity.




On Cyrcee:
No one there explained it to me either. The girl I wanted the most was a bartender. Half the girls looked like they could easily land me in jail, though I'm not making any accusations because it's hard to tell. Seeing cute tiny girls who look 14 and 15 being groped by old creepy french guys can sadden you a bit.
The boss there (if it's still the same) is very helpful and keen on giving advice about his bar and the scene in general. Of course that means that you would have to talk to a French guy.

Booey
02-12-10, 19:07
Evianist, a guy I know wrote a submission for the Stickman site back in July 2009 and it contains a lot of good info about PP, from places to stay, good restaurants, prices for transportation and of course the going rates for the ladies. It was actually written in response to another submission, where the guy overpaid for everything.

If you or anyone else would like the link then feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.

I haven't been to PP since 2005, and I'm sure things have changed, but the best looking lady I had the whole time I was there was found in Sharky's. One more thing, always ask to see a ladies ID before taking her "home. " If she doesn't have one, then move on.

Asianpussylover
02-12-10, 23:48
right on. ****s should be castrated or killed or both. look at the innocence they ruin. sick fuck, go kill yourself if you can't stop yourself.anyone who has played in se asia for a while will have inadvertently shagged a teen at some point in time. wink ;) all the hot steam u guys are blowing is just that.... now will someone please post some more info of their latest exploits.

thank you evianist.

Evianist
02-13-10, 02:53
A lot of the girls who do the walkabout-sharky-martini-heart circuit are on yaba / ice indeed. I like them like that but one has to be constantly careful dealing with those girls, they go nuts quite easily. And obviously they tend to try and steal your stuff if you give them the opportunity.

Interesting. That explains their behavior then.

I think the girl I had took money out of my wallet. Unfortunately for her I carry a dummy wallet filled with some leftover Argentinian pesos. Good luck trying to find an exchange booth in Asia that will take those.



The boss there (if it's still the same) is very helpful and keen on giving advice about his bar and the scene in general. Of course that means that you would have to talk to a French guy.

C'est pas une probleme.

Evianist
02-13-10, 03:10
Evianist, a guy I know wrote a submission for the Stickman site back in July 2009 and it contains a lot of good info about PP, from places to stay, good restaurants, prices for transportation and of course the going rates for the ladies. It was actually written in response to another submission, where the guy overpaid for everything.

If you or anyone else would like the link then feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.

I haven't been to PP since 2005, and I'm sure things have changed, but the best looking lady I had the whole time I was there was found in Sharky's. One more thing, always ask to see a ladies ID before taking her "home. " If she doesn't have one, then move on.


Thanks I found the submission. And I will start checking IDs.

I paid $20/LT for the first girl I got, and would not pay $30/ST or $15 for drinks at Shanghai, so it seems I've been doing OK in my first few days. Getting ripped off really annoys the shite out of me, not because of the money but more because of the personal insult of it.

Bubba999
02-13-10, 04:29
Hi Guys,

I benefitted from info here before my trip but regrettably don't have much to give back since I got a very bad gastro that has laid me low for a month. I suspect I got it after licking a Khmer girl's asshole...first time for everything!

Anyhow before then did the usual haunts but nothing particularly new to report - CirCee was a good as was a place on the corner near there called Salome (I think). Took a few girls upstairs from both, good honest service, no attempt at wallet rip offs and friendly girls. But then was stuck down and sex was the last thing I was thinking of.

Apologies I can't offer more by way of a report.

Bubba

Booey
02-13-10, 04:29
Thanks I found the submission. And I will start checking IDs.

I paid $20/LT for the first girl I got, and would not pay $30/ST or $15 for drinks at Shanghai, so it seems I've been doing OK in my first few days. Getting ripped off really annoys the shite out of me, not because of the money but more because of the personal insult of it.Seems like you are doing well in PP, and I am in full agreement with you about the money issues. I have the dosh, but I will not throw it around like a *******! Stick to your guns and have a good time, I like the fact that you paid $20 LT in 2010, same as I did in 2005.

I might have to revise my travel plans to include a stop in PP.

Betong
02-13-10, 04:56
No reason to go back. Pretty girls aren't so pretty if they're unavailable.In its day Shanghai was a great bar, but you're right about it now. Pretty much a waste of time and money.

I also know what you mean about Cyrcee, especially if it was your first time. They come on way too strong. Talent isn't what it used to be but there's still the occasional nice girl. One trick is to buy one girl -- any girl -- a drink right away, just to get the others to leave you alone. Then you can check out the rest at your leisure.

Getting rid of the hags/uglies/druggies at Sharky's is a skill in itself. You just have to ignore them, almost to the point of rudeness. Finding quality here can mean waiting for hours, so I find it's a much better place to go with friends than alone.


On Phnom Penh: Filthy, vile shithole.It's Beverly Hills compared to the way it was back in the early 1990s!

Wendella
02-13-10, 06:01
ok so a few observations of my own from seeing pp again for the first time in a couple yrs.

martini. a bit less active and interesting than when i'd been there in the past. one thing i tuned into this time was how certain girls would enter for what seemed like a few minutes, then disappear out the front door for awhile (half an hour?), then reappear, then disappear again. pretty frustrating when it happens to be a girl you have your eye on, and you're waiting for her to stand still for a second so you can approach her. but in general, where martini used to go on throughout the night and if you waited long enough, something new would eventually walk in, these days it seems to have a clear peak at about 10-11pm, and by 12 most of the talent is gone for good.

104 st and 136 st. i'm not sure what the deal is with these places. they seem to have siphoned off a lot of the talent from the martini/walkabout/sharky circuit from what i can tell, and not in a good way. are these girls able to leave and go with you? or do they need to wait til their bar shuts? what i know for sure is that they won't all go with you, so i wonder around what % do. i walked into one on 104 and a cute khmer grabbed me as i entered and was extremely flirtatious and touchy. problem was that soon she seemed to be doing it as kind of a show for her friends. after buying her a drink and enduring her loud attention for awhile, i hit her with the question only to find out she 'has blood today'. thanks honey. i'm really glad i spent the last few minutes of bar-open time with you.

one of the free magazines (bayon pearnik or canby or that other new small one) talk about how these bars have 'brought thailand style bar culture with bar fines' to cambodia. unless i'm missing something, that's false. can you barfine girls at these bars? also, are there some bars that are less likely to "have blood today" or whatever excuse they'll give? the idea of going from one of these bars to the next paying for drinks at each one just on the chance a girl i'm talking to might be able to go to my hotel, but not before 2am... well... it's a pretty stupid setup if that's how it is.

heart of darkness. the one i had my eye on at martini disappeared and never returned. someone told me they all move on to hod at midnight. i went there and saw a lot of the same ones from martini. but where some of these girls had given me the eye earlier at martini, here they'd give the cold look-away to signal "not interested". i'm mid-40s and older than most of the guys at heart, so i assumed it had to do with face issues at hod due to the younger crowd. excellent.

luxury world massage. i took a quick peek at this fishbowl, did not ask about pricing. there weren't any faces in the crowd that made me feel like i needed to try it. overall it looked like a very ordinary-looking group of girls, not one in there who looked do-able (tho i'm a bit picky). i've heard there is also paris hotel fishbowl, any more?

circee: seems ok but when i was there many of the girls had on blue jeans. for me, blue jeans are half a step down the spectrum from chastity belts, just deprive you of 50% of the girl. maybe even worse: at least with chastity belts you can see/touch their legs. to make matters worse, the top looker by far in the place works as lead bartender and can't be touched. the touchables are mostly midgets who pale in comparison. i assume this french manager knows what he's doing, he's been at it so long, but to have the cutest girl there off limits, it really makes you look at the rest and feel disappointed. and the blue jeans. c'mon man. france practically invented sexiness. where's your sense of patriotism.

in contrast to previous visits, the places on 63 and 154 are now beckoning me in as i pass. haven't looked inside. last time i tried one i lost my pants, literally. got em back, but.. not exactly the kind of thrill i was after.

Evianist
02-13-10, 06:19
One of the free magazines (bayon pearnik or canby or that other new small one) talk about how these bars have 'brought thailand style bar culture with bar fines' to Cambodia. Unless I'm missing something, that's false. Can you barfine girls at these bars? Also, are there some bars that are less likely to "have blood today" or whatever excuse they'll give? the idea of going from one of these bars to the next paying for drinks at each one just on the chance a girl I'm talking to might be able to go to my hotel, but not before 2am... well... it's a pretty stupid setup if that's how it is.

The concept of hostess bars is an import from Japan. Many Japanese businessmen will go to bars and spend hundreds of dollars for a girl to sit and talk and flirt with them for a little while. They even have a lot of hostess bars for women now too.

If this spreads heavily into SE Asia I think a lot of us will be enjoying ourselves a lot less. I guess some guys are into that, but if I want to pay a bunch of cash to get sexually frustrated I can just go back home and try dating American girls again.



the top looker by far in the place works as lead bartender and can't be touched. The touchables are mostly midgets who pale in comparison. I assume this French manager knows what he's doing, he's been at it so long, but to have the cutest girl there off limits, it really makes you look at the rest and feel disappointed.


I think we might have had our eye on the same bartender. If so, this girl is about a 9. You're right that she made the girls who were available (mostly 6-7s) seem unattractive in comparison.

Wendella
02-13-10, 10:24
The concept of hostess bars is an import from Japan. Many Japanese businessmen will go to bars and spend hundreds of dollars for a girl to sit and talk and flirt with them for a little while. They even have a lot of hostess bars for women now too.

If this spreads heavily into SE Asia I think a lot of us will be enjoying ourselves a lot less. I guess some guys are into that, but if I want to pay a bunch of cash to get sexually frustrated I can just go back home and try dating American girls again.


Yeah, I'll be here a few more days and check and see if this is how it really is.

Almost forgot one piece of my story. I was in a bar on 104 (or possibly 136, it's all a blur now) and sat at a side table where of course I was swarmed by 4 hostess girls, none of which appealed. The one I was trying to make eye contact with was standing over at the end of the bar going through some receipts. I kept glancing over, she was busy busy busy. Hoping for a chance to wink or something, suddenly some young Brit (guessing he was about 24) at the bar slams his hand down on the bartop and yells over to the same girl (the one whose eye I'm trying to catch) "You have your war face on! I see you. I know." This he repeats about 4 times, slams his hand down once more.

Anyway, you can see how this trip is going.

I'd say yeah if it turns out to be true that these hostess bars are just a tease, well, it'd be the end of PP as a destination, for me at least. Just not enough talent at the old places anymore (Martini, etc.) and nothing new taking their place making up the difference. It's SO much easier to get hooked up in Thailand, even Vietnam is easier than this (tho both are more expensive). One thing that's changed at Martini for me is that a few years ago you could count on spotting at least some you hadn't seen before on almost any night. Not now. Same ones every night. You know there's nobody new gonna arrive after midnight, for example. In fact, if they're not there by 10pm, theyre not gonna be.

Note to Betong: you turned off your PM capability? I attempted to PM you but could not.

Mart Cham
02-13-10, 10:54
anyone who has played in se asia for a while will have inadvertently shagged a teen at some point in time.
so true, i've advertently done quite a few eighteen and nineteen y.o. gals myself ;) to be honest i advertently forgot to check a few times when they looked a bit younger.

as a side note i tend to think that there might be more to the story of guys who overreact like d cups and vlad impaler, more than they would admit. frustrations, fantasies, guilt, whatever...

fucking **** girls is illegal but that does not make someone a ****. a **** is someone who is attracted to girls and boys who haven't reached puberty.
a 17 y.o. girl in sea is still very far from having reached adult age (she's got about 23 more years to go in thailand for example:d) but she's reached puberty and there's absolutely no doubt about it!

ps @ vlad impaler: thinking that an 18 years and 1 day old girl is any different than she was 2 days before is, at best, a justification for old and intellectually challenged guys like you who actually feel uncomfortable doing girls a third of their age. i'd feel uncomfortable too but then i wouldn't look for a stupid justification, i'd just go for older girls...

Dreams
02-13-10, 12:11
Anyone who has played in SE Asia for a while will have inadvertently shagged a teen at some point in time. Wink ;) All the hot steam u guys are blowing is just that.... Now will someone please post some more info of their latest exploits.

Thank you Evianist.
I have extensively played in SE Asia, and I assure you that I never shagged a teen . Just because 1) I don't like too young girls, and 2) whenever I have a doubt, I abstain.
I am sure I am not alone with this attitude.

Shadow6491
02-13-10, 12:51
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104 st and 136 St. I'm not sure what the deal is with these places. They seem to have siphoned off a lot of the talent from the Martini/Walkabout/Sharky circuit from what i can tell, and not in a good way. Are these girls able to leave and go with you? Or do they need to wait til their bar shuts? What I know for sure is that they won't all go with you, so i wonder around what % do. I walked into one on 104 and a cute Khmer grabbed me as I entered and was extremely flirtatious and touchy. Problem was that soon she seemed to be doing it as kind of a show for her friends. After buying her a drink and enduring her loud attention for awhile, I hit her with the question only to find out she 'has blood today'. Thanks honey. I'm really glad I spent the last few minutes of bar-open time with you.

One of the free magazines (bayon pearnik or canby or that other new small one) talk about how these bars have 'brought thailand style bar culture with bar fines' to Cambodia. Unless I'm missing something, that's false. Can you barfine girls at these bars? Also, are there some bars that are less likely to "have blood today" or whatever excuse they'll give? the idea of going from one of these bars to the next paying for drinks at each one just on the chance a girl I'm talking to might be able to go to my hotel, but not before 2am... well... it's a pretty stupid setup if that's how it is.



In contrast to previous visits, the places on 63 and 154 are now beckoning me in as I pass. Haven't looked inside. Last time I tried one I lost my pants, literally. Got em back, but.. not exactly the kind of thrill I was after.

In answer to one of your questions yes you can Barfine most of the girls in the hostess bars. Each bar has a different system now as barfines are not legal.

Dont go into the brothels on 63 you will lose your wallet again.

RockyMtnWay
02-13-10, 16:06
Wow, so many reports all the sudden.

I think you will find many girls here in PP will not have IDs. That is just the way it is in Cambodia. It will be interesting to see what percent actually do. Many girls are physically very small here. It does take a bit of recalibrating your age radar. But it's not that hard usually.

Yes the girls do go out from the hostess bars. Some girls will go out and some won't. It can drive you a bit crazy at first. And a little crazy later. But there is little pressure for quick lady drinks. So before your start spending money on the girls start asking some questions. Unlike Thailand where baht usually always talks sometimes girls will go out with a younger nice looking guy and not with an older guy like me. When I'm in a hostess bar with a known expat I am approached much more than when I am an unknown quantity. BTW the exception hostess bar here is Shanghai which IMO serves no useful purpose. I think perhaps they have hostess bars in PP because they can't really have GoGos or such?

The first time I went into Le Cyrcee this trip I was mobbed by seven girls. The owner ran three of them off, including the most interesting one that I had to call back. The girls explained how things work there for me. But one of my harem was very good with English. I didn't notice the few cute Viets that were there a couple of years ago.

The bar now in the old Mikado location is called Solomon Club. At least that is what the sign says. The hotel next door is called Somaly Guest House I think.

FWIW

Mart Cham
02-13-10, 17:06
I think you will find many girls here in PP will not have IDs. That is just the way it is in Cambodia. It will be interesting to see what percent actually do. Many girls are physically very small here. It does take a bit of recalibrating your age radar. But it's not that hard usually.
Exactly!
Unless things have changed since my last trip in mid 2008, good luck with checking IDs in Cambodia gentlemen!

Dreams
02-13-10, 20:43
Exactly!
Unless things have changed since my last trip in mid 2008, good luck with checking IDs in Cambodia gentlemen!
As I said before, you don't need to check IDs. If in doubt, abstain. There are enough women on this earth, many of them in Cambodia, who look old enough so that you don't need to check their IDs

Mart Cham
02-13-10, 20:59
As I said before, you don't need to check IDs. If in doubt, abstain. There are enough women on this earth, many of them in Cambodia, who look old enough so that you don't need to check their IDs
You're totally right. However there are still people who recommend to check IDs, although I think it is not even possible.

Backtobasics
02-13-10, 23:37
You're totally right. However there are still people who recommend to check IDs, although I think it is not even possible.

A bunch of hotels check IDs before letting girls go to your room, so if you are staying at one of them, checking IDs yourself seems to be necessary.

Shadow6491
02-14-10, 02:40
When I'm in a hostess bar with a known expat I am approached much more than when I am an unknown quantity. BTW the exception hostess bar here is Shanghai which IMO serves no useful purpose. I think perhaps they have hostess bars in PP because they can't really have GoGos or such?

I think you are correct on all points.

A friend and I were in a hostess bar one night playing with three girls and there was a guy sitting next to us drinking his beer alone. We started up a bit of a conversation and he complained that he had been in town 3 days and couldnt get laid and did any of the girls even go and if so what was the system.

We both looked at each other a bit stunned then told him well we have these three girls but anyone else in the bar can be yours we called two girls over and immediately his world changed he was having fun. We gave him some advice on how much to pay and 30 min later he was out the door looking very happy.

Shanghai on the other hand is geared for newbie tourists. The girls here are much more forward and aggressive and will tell you anything you want to hear to get drinks but very few of them will go home with you. Many want you to barfine them and take them shopping or dancing but will nearly always find a way out of having sex with you.

Evianist
02-14-10, 06:10
gotta say i don't think i've enjoyed myself in cambodia. i've been sick my whole visit, which i'm sure has colored the experience, but here's my reasoning:

-there's jack shit to do -- no tourist sites. no, i don't want to see the fields they dumped dead bodies in. do they even have a movie theater here? if you're solo it's especially boring

-it's not even enjoyable to take a walk -- trash, tuk tuk drivers, beggars and other horrible things to look at

-a lot of the available girls are aggressive thieving drug addicts -- basically the exact opposite of what i'm attracted to

-a lot of the available girls are **** -- i'm not in the hardcore, castrate dudes for sleeping with 17 year olds camp, but i don't want to have to worry about getting myself in trouble, and i don't want to watch very young innocent little girls getting groped by old dudes

-i haven't had one decent meal -- there are a couple ok places on sisowath, but you're paying western prices


the only positives have been that i find the girls to be very pretty, and heart of darkness is pretty cool and has some good djs.

maybe i'll enjoy it more on a fully healthy 2nd visit while bringing a friend with me, but at the moment i'm just chilling in my hotel room saving my energy for my return to thailand.

Ds4217
02-14-10, 06:46
And taking my first Monger trip.

I will be in Vietnam and Cambodia in a few weeks.

Any advise and is anyone around that wants to meet up?

Pinche Gringo
02-14-10, 07:00
Did you not go to see any of the old temples?

There are tons of things to do in Cambodia.

Sim Reap? Granted, Thailand tends to be more monger friendly.

But I enjoyed my visit to Cambodia in December.

Mart Cham
02-14-10, 09:41
-a lot of the available girls are aggressive thieving drug addicts -- basically the exact opposite of what i'm attracted to
you're being paranoid. even in the drug addicts category, many are nice girls.



-a lot of the available girls are **** -- i'm not in the hardcore, castrate dudes for sleeping with 17 year olds camp, but i don't want to have to worry about getting myself in trouble, and i don't want to watch very young innocent little girls getting groped by old dudes
you're being paranoid again. there are not so many **** girls. you're just not used to asian girls.



-i haven't had one decent meal -- there are a couple ok places on sisowath, but you're paying western prices

agreed. eating ain't easy in cambodia. what the locals eat is cheap but boring and tends to make me sick.

Wendella
02-14-10, 09:49
well, on saturday night, martini actually had fewer girls (and most of the hot ones didn't show up) but also a big pack of japanese who came and scooped up most of what was acceptable. i next went up to casa disco where i'd read that the working girls there would be easy to spot cuz they all dance together in the middle of the dance floor. at 11.30pm, the middle of the dancer floor (along with every other part of it) was completely empty and just a few normal customers rep001tered around the club. totally dead, at peak time on saturday night. later i went to a bar on 136 and talked awhile with a girl, finally popped the question just to get the standard "blood today" response -- she asked if i would come back tomorrow (which might also be part of the standard script: i was asked the same thing in that bar on 104 a few nights ago after getting the "blood today" excuse, but then my reply was no, i won't come tomorrow.) so this time i followed up and asked her why, and she said she could go with me tomorrow. ok then, this might be something. (or else it might be another part of the standard script) so tonight i'll go there at the appointed time and see if it pans out or whether it was just a slight-of-hand move to try to get a decent tip out of the situation. honestly i have a gut feeling my odds are around 40-60. i half expect either she won't be working or else she'll still have blood. on the other hand, it could be she already had to go meet a customer last night so had to use the blood excuse for that reason. we'll soon find out.

ended the night at hod, which was absurdly packed and sweaty, with far far more foreigners than on other nights, the dance floor much more expanded and active, and fewer working girls in amongst the crowd than on previous nights.

i'm the kind of guy who won't take a girl unless she's striking in some way. i've gone out here 3 nights now and have gone home alone every night. i've been tempted just a few times but haven't been able to close the deal for one reason or another (girl disappeared, girl quickly scooped up by japanese guy, blood today, cold look-away, etc.)

guys this place has fallen off a cliff in terms of quality. there used to be too many options here. now there's practically nothing.

btw, i can say that i haven't seen any girls that looked **** to me in any of these places i've checked out. i always ask the girls' age when i talk to them and the lowest age i've heard so far is 20.

Evianist
02-14-10, 10:02
she asked if I would come back tomorrow (which might also be part of the standard script: I was asked the same thing in that bar on 104 a few nights ago after getting the "blood today" excuse, but then my reply was No, I won't come tomorrow.) so this time I followed up and asked her why, and she said she could go with me tomorrow. OK then, this might be something. (or else it might be another part of the standard script) So tonight I'll go there at the appointed time and see if it pans out or whether it was just a slight-of-hand move to try to get a decent tip out of the situation. Honestly I have a gut feeling my odds are around 40-60. I half expect either she won't be working or else she'll still have blood. On the other hand, it could be she already had to go meet a customer last night so had to use the blood excuse for that reason. We'll soon find out.


Don't bother. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Mart Cham
02-14-10, 10:09
A bunch of hotels check IDs before letting girls go to your room, so if you are staying at one of them, checking IDs yourself seems to be necessary.
I've always stayed at 20-30$ places and the girls have never been asked to show an ID.

Shadow6491
02-14-10, 10:18
The reason that there are fewer working girls on the Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the heart is that they have to pay $3 entrance fee. A girl can go in for free if she is with a guy but a guy can only take in one girl this way. The $3 ticket is remediable for drinks though so its not all bad if you want to take more than one girl in. However this does cut back the number of free working girls in the place on the weekends.

Shadow6491
02-14-10, 10:23
well, on saturday night, martini actually had fewer girls (and most of the hot ones didn't show up) but also a big pack of japanese who came and scooped up most of what was acceptable. i next went up to casa disco where i'd read that the working girls there would be easy to spot cuz they all dance together in the middle of the dance floor. at 11.30pm, the middle of the dancer floor (along with every other part of it) was completely empty and just a few normal customers rep001tered around the club. totally dead, at peak time on saturday night. later i went to a bar on 136 and talked awhile with a girl, finally popped the question just to get the standard "blood today" response -- she asked if i would come back tomorrow (which might also be part of the standard script: i was asked the same thing in that bar on 104 a few nights ago after getting the "blood today" excuse, but then my reply was no, i won't come tomorrow.) so this time i followed up and asked her why, and she said she could go with me tomorrow. ok then, this might be something. (or else it might be another part of the standard script) so tonight i'll go there at the appointed time and see if it pans out or whether it was just a slight-of-hand move to try to get a decent tip out of the situation. honestly i have a gut feeling my odds are around 40-60. i half expect either she won't be working or else she'll still have blood. on the other hand, it could be she already had to go meet a customer last night so had to use the blood excuse for that reason. we'll soon find out.

ended the night at hod, which was absurdly packed and sweaty, with far far more foreigners than on other nights, the dance floor much more expanded and active, and fewer working girls in amongst the crowd than on previous nights.

i'm the kind of guy who won't take a girl unless she's striking in some way. i've gone out here 3 nights now and have gone home alone every night. i've been tempted just a few times but haven't been able to close the deal for one reason or another (girl disappeared, girl quickly scooped up by japanese guy, blood today, cold look-away, etc.)

guys this place has fallen off a cliff in terms of quality. there used to be too many options here. now there's practically nothing.

btw, i can say that i haven't seen any girls that looked **** to me in any of these places i've checked out. i always ask the girls' age when i talk to them and the lowest age i've heard so far is 20.


if you would like to meet up send me a pm or drop me a line. i can point you in the right direction and cut down on your disappointments.

Singlemalt72
02-14-10, 13:46
Agreed. Eating ain't easy in Cambodia. What the locals eat is cheap but boring and tends to make me sick.Once again, different strokes.

In cambodia I have eaten as well as anywhere else in southeast Asia, especially in Phnom Penh - so many fantastic eating options there.

Betong
02-14-10, 17:15
In cambodia I have eaten as well as anywhere else in southeast Asia, especially in Phnom Penh - so many fantastic eating options there.Absolutely. It's possible to eat badly in PP but even the smallest amount of research will lead you to very good food indeed. We all have our complaints about the country but food shouldn't be one of them.

Mart Cham
02-14-10, 23:20
Absolutely. It's possible to eat badly in PP but even the smallest amount of research will lead you to very good food indeed.
I guess it's a matter of taste then. I don't consider burgers and fries as good food. In Thailand I eat Thai 99,99% of the time, in Cambodia I don't eat Khmer.
The only half decent meals I have had in Cambodia were Western food and cost 10$ up. For this price I can eat in my home country.

We all have our complaints about the country but food shouldn't be one of them.
Interestingly this is my complaint number 1 about Cambodia!

Betong
02-15-10, 04:12
The only half decent meals I have had in Cambodia were Western food and cost 10$ up.It's true, Western food in Cambodia is no bargain, though it can be very good.

For Cambodian food I find it's best to avoid the places with pots of pre-made food (unlike in Thailand, where they can be great). But go to almost any place that's filled with locals and does cooked-to-order dishes and the food can be every bit as good as Thai. The only problem is that at the authentic places there's never an English menu so if you don't speak Khmer you have to do some pointing at other people's plates. The tourist-oriented places are generally crap.

Apologies to non-foodies for the diversion. I'll get back to sex next post.

Roguesta
02-15-10, 04:15
I know dozens of good Khmer cafes'. Maybe it takes living here to discover them.

RockyMtnWay
02-15-10, 06:17
Perhaps an unnecessary soap box here but there seems to be a lot of discontent posted about various aspects of PP. FWIW I often tell friends I think 90% of the guys that go to Thailand probably wouldn't like PP. PP isn't anything like walking into a GoGo on Walking Street, buying a couple of lady drinks and then bar fining. The scene takes a little more effort, like most everything in Cambodia, but once you get settled in it can be a lot of fun. So if you want something different and a bit of an adventure come to PP. Come with an open mind that you are going someplace that works differently. But there is the possibility that it might just might not be your cup of tea. No shame in that, at least you don't have to sit and wonder what might have been.

I never learned to eat Thai food when there and I don't eat local food here (much to my discredit and probably my health). I think the barang food is good here especially along the riverfront (with the exception of beef). I find nice Barang meals all over the place for around $5 or sometimes less (before drinks). Some of the fancy places on the riverfront can cost much more. But I had a nice meal right on the riverfront last night for $5.

I have only stayed in three hotels here but have never had a girl asked for an ID. The place I'm staying now closes up at 11 PM to 1 AM and I have to knock on the gate to get the guard to open the gate. The guard doesn't give a damn. He just wants to go back to sleep. I have heard that with recent difficulties Walkabout is asking for IDs for girls that you take to you room. But I must say I don't know that for a fact. So for the most part it is up to you to make the judgment on age and keep yourself out of any possible trouble. Again this isn't (you know where). The young girls in Thailand have fake IDs or have borrowed one from their sister...

Sorry, peace, soapbox off.

RMW

Ds4217
02-15-10, 06:37
I am finally getting divorced and as a long time reader, first time traveler.

I will be making my first trip (to Vietnam and Cambodia) in 2 weeks.

Does anybody have any advice and is anybody else going to be there and want to get together?

Wendella
02-15-10, 08:37
Feeling a bit sick today, and will be staying in my hotel room watching Olympics. (Mr Shadow, please accept my rain check for meeting up! And thanks much for the invitation)

Well, as 9pm approached I did actually have the feeling that I'd been set up for disappointment. But I showed up on time, and from the look in the girls face and the way she was behaving, it did seem like she never really did intend to go through with it. Another chubby girl was sticking to us like glue, which was annoying. I brought her the name card for my hotel since she seemed to have some concern about that when we talked the previous night. She looked at it and said she didn't know the hotel. And that seemed to be what was going to be the excuse. But not sure what got said in Khmer, but suddenly I was being asked if I could pay a $10 bar fine. I agreed and next she was insisting on just one hour. It was obvious she was uncomfortable so I asked her if she was ok. Anyway, we finalized the deal and took off for my hotel. She seemed pretty shy and starfishy, but it was ok. Damage was $30 to her and $10 to the bar, and she stayed almost 2 hrs, agreed to 2 pops but I was too tired to get the last one in, let her leave.

So $40 for ST for the one you want. Not a great deal. That used to be the appeal of PP, how easy and cheap it was. Now it's hard and slightly cheaper (compared to Thailand and other SEA). I mean I know it's easy to walk into one of those massage places and pay a lot less, but... they're kind of gross, for me at least that's a turnoff, not an enjoyable experience, and you don't get much control in the situation.

Btw, I headed into this one with Plan B already in place and expecting that's what I would be doing - so it was a pleasant surprise this worked out.

Phil Istine
02-15-10, 08:59
Western food $10?

Surely very place on the riverside has good food with four or five dollars as does sharkies.

Unless one goes to metro or the FCC the food is good value,some here need a mum to look after them.

Evianist
02-15-10, 09:16
Went to Walkabout at around 10:30 last night.
Only saw about 5 girls and some western guys looking awkward.
By the way I got a cheeseburger from here the other day and it was the grossest thing I've ever eaten.

Went to Sharky's. Same girls as the other day.

Went to heart of darkness. Was 75% men, with about 30 available girls. The girls were giving me a lot of attention which was nice. Turned a lot of girls down.

Finally took home a 20 year old girl. You know when you take a girl and then when she gets naked you realize she's all busted up and you picked the wrong girl? This was like the opposite of that. Her breasts were either a big C or a D. Never been pregnant, not a fat girl. Good heavens what a body. Too young and inexperienced to be a good fuck, but she made up for it in other ways.

Blue Wolf
02-18-10, 08:16
Anyone knows what happened to Cayote Ugly ? it was nearby wat Phnom
I liked the place very much but last week it was closed
I have RTFF but nothing about is it's moved
Please help if you know where is is now

Wendella
02-18-10, 16:30
my last day in phnom penh was a strange one. i felt like crap all day, just stayed in my room. finally ventured out to get something decent to eat around 730 and after that thought ok, one more time let me head back to martini and see if i can hook up with the one hottie who the japanese guy grabbed a couple nights back. i guess i'll share details since guys who hit martini these days may know who i'm talking about. she's a tallish girl, thin, modelesque face with high cheekbones, very good darkish skin, even wears mascara -- and she has very straight bangs (to americans) or fringe (to brits) and seems to actually get her hair done, which also has that vogue-ish look to it. despite the darkish skin, she's vietnamese. anyone know who i mean? if the lead bartender at circee is a 9 to some, this ones definitely 9.5. she was the hottest one i saw there by a good distance on the 4 nights i stopped into martini. so i thought if she's there, ok, but if not then i'll just sleep tonight and try to get healthy. i was even feeling like if the vibe with her wasn't especially good, i might just skip it. i had no desire to run around to all the spots the way i did on other nights. well, after waiting around about an hour there (from 9 to 10pm), it got to be obvious she was a no-show tonight. thought i might mention here that it really seems like the same thing is happening to martini that happened a few years ago to thermae in bangkok -- that is, it's turning japanese, i think it's turning japanese, i really think so. and those guys are dogs, man. they'll go hang out at the tables and seats just near the entrance so they can pounce on any hot girl they see enter before anyone else has a chance. you guys hanging out at the bar have no chance if these guys are there. and if the thermae stands as a lesson, these guys will consistently draw the hotter ones for no reason other than that they're asian and therefore less ugly and smelly to the vietnamese and khmer girls. i don't think its about overspending, cuz no japanese guy on an expense account is gonna waste his time at martini (or thermae) -- i'm sure he can find better in higher end spots around town. these are the cheap charlies of japan. so after watching some of these guys grab the best on offer there, at a bit before 10pm i decided that bangs isn't gonna show tonight. i start to head out, figuring i'll take a quick peek at heart next because maybe she went there (and cuz someone informed me mon-thurs are the better nights there). walking out the door, in comes a tall thin girl, one i hadn't seen yet on any night there, quite pretty and dark skinned -- clearly cambodian. she passed me in an instant, and i thought, what the hell? i did a rubberneck to watch her go the other way and immediately was struck by a sight you don't see often (not til later in the hotel at least) -- the waistline of her shorts were somewhere around 2/3 up her butt cheeks, so i was getting that same view of her you associate with that unwanted glimpse of handymen when they crouch down to look through their toolbox -- too much crack, basically. well, i did a u-turn and headed back into the club so i could get a better look. but she stopped right there at the very first table -- i mean those big heavy wooden ones just inside the entrance, not yet in the bar area. she sat down alone there. i went into the club and took a seat where i could still see her. other girls passed by, none of them made any gesture to say hello or acknowledge her, which seemed strange. and she just stayed there, not seeming to want to come into the club. finally i thought, ok, this is about as low hanging and high quality a fruit as you can hope for. i'm the only guy who's even aware this girl is here, and she's just sitting there alone waiting for someone to talk to her. i guess. so i head over. say hello as i'm slowing down, ask her name. she says hello but doesn't make eye contact. i go round and ask if it's ok to sit down, she's ok with that -- so i do and make some small talk. again, it's odd the way she's answering but not looking at me. asked her name, and she said something that sounded really complex with about 4 syllables. ugh. at one awkward pause in our conversation she suddenly said something about 10 o'clock and quickly got up and walked inside, leaving me there at the table. now i get it, i think, she knew immediately i wasn't her type, or something. she wasn't into it. ok. that's life. damn, she was pretty damn hot, but... that was a pretty clear rejection. oh well, i gave it my best shot. time to go.

well... now i want something easy. circee. aside from that circee 9 bartender girl (who i'd peg as an 8 actually) there was one other one there who i'd give a 7.5... maybe she's there. at least we know that place won't be difficult. so i took a motorbike taxi up there, walked in and there she was, first girl i saw as i entered the bar -- giving some guy a massage. i think i stopped in at that place 5 times this visit, and 5 times she was busy with another customer. so i think, ok maybe this customer will pay and go in a little while and then she'll be free... so let me go grab a beer at mikado (salomon now) and see what that's like, come back in a few minutes. so i did that. miserable. not one in the place i was even slightly tempted by. all of them really really forward and touchy. had some older fat girl who would not take her hands off me. i finally asked her not to touch, she said ok, then moved her hands to touch me on another spot on my body. ugh. not my kind of place. so i finish my beer quickly and walk back to circee. this time, the girl is gone. ugh. guess they went upstairs. or out. doesn't matter cuz either way it's no.

what next. well, there's always 136. i didn't wanna go back and meet the same girl again from the previous night -- and actually the best one i saw in that whole strip was her sister, who i got introduced to when i went to meet my girl the night before. but that probably wouldn't have gone over very well, would it -- returning the next night and asking if i could sleep with her baby sister who just started working there. anyway, wasn't interested enough in finding out and actually my ambivalence from earlier was growing. one bar i'd heard about but hadn't checked out was candy (or is it candyland or candybar). all the bars on that strip seem to have about 8-12 girls. walk in the door at candy, and its around 40. i go in there and stick around awhile -- but again, the ambivlance sets in. nothing looking like it's gonna beat out watching the olympics. i leave the bar. well...head back to the hotel? ok one more quick stop: heart. maybe the vogue girl went there. ok i know of course she didn't but what the hell its my last night in town. you never know.

so i walk in the door at heart. it's pretty much like it was every other night. no fresh faces, none that tempt. i was feeling really tired now, not really in the mood at all any more anyway, not interested in hitting any more bars, last night in town or not. time to hit the hotel.

so i get a motorbike to take me back. he pulls up in front of my place at street 13 and 118 (which is a spot where there's nothing) and who's slowly walking up the street right in front of the entrance to my hotel? the tall thin girl i chatted with back at martini. she looks at me and recognizes me, walks over toward me, carrying a little bag that seemed to have some kind of snack in it. "are you alone?" she asks. i say yes. the rest is a blur but at one point she said "up to you" and $20 was offered and next thing i knew we were heading up the stairs together. finally, some luck! and what luck -- when our eyes met she was literally walking directly in front of the door to my hotel, as my motorbike pulled to a stop. on a dark side street that's got nothing at all open on it. getting a chance to see her up close in my room, now i realized that those shorts she had on were about 3 sizes too small, so they couldn't get up over her hips and would hang down too low. she still had that strange way of not looking me in the eye, but was quite affectionate and willing, and knew where and how to touch to get things going. good deep kissing. very nice. no starfish this time. this girl was aiming to please.

when we were done, she asked me if i wanted her to go, and i was really exhausted and having to leave first thing in the morning, so i said yes that would be better. so she got up and went. i put on espn and went to get something to drink.

a couple minutes later there was a knock on the door. i guessed it was the front desk guy checking if everything was ok -- no, it was her. she forgot her little snack-bag on the night stand. i let her back in to get the bag, then she left again. ok. time for bed.

watched some olympics before finally falling asleep with the tv on. after dozing off, i was awakened by a light knocking again on teh door -- i guess it was 45 minutes after getting in bed. i open it: her again. again! she forgot her watch on the nightstand. how strange. she came in and got it, then asked me if it would be ok if she stayed with me tonight. huh? for a fraction of a second i considered it, and if i'd had energy (felt sick earlier) and didn't need to get up early, i'd have been very into it -- but i had to decline, and she was ok with that, left again, finally, forever.

she was like the ghost of phnom penh past -- really pretty girl with a great body who seems to have no idea how hot she is, and willing to do anything you want (and really well) for very little money. and then will cling to you on top of it. wish i'd ran into her the 1st night instead of the last.

does anyone know who this girl is? strange final night, and it rescued the visit. the one the previous night was definitely a winner (due to her looks mainly), but definitely was not easy. like it seemed as if there was no way she'd do lt, and she's the type you'd want lt. more on that one later though.

Wendella
02-18-10, 18:25
About Candy Bar... I ended up being approached there by a quite cute (tho not enough to overcome my tired blase vibe at that point) mute girl who handed me a flyer for some kind of island trip they do.. I think this one was going to be on the 21st Feb -- according to the flyer, you go out by boat to some river island along with what they say would be 60 girls for a day trip. Price $25. Food and drinks included, I think.

About the 104 St bar from my first night, I'm pretty sure it was Night Owl -- the Khmer girl there who toyed with me was exaggeratedly flirtatious but it was seeming like a big show for her friends, and she kept saying lots to those other girls in Khmer, everything eliciting lots of laughs, then a bit of attention back to me, then again Khmer joking, which was giving me the feeling I was being ridiculed by her. Kept a smile on throughout and never gave up til I got her final answer about her 'have blood today'. Whether she was mocking me in Khmer or not didn't matter to me too much -- I just wanted to go home with someone, and she was my last chance since it was just after 2am and all the bars about to shut (or so I thought then -- actually -- is 2am closing time? It is for some, I know) She was cute enough that even after the "blood" line, I stopped back there a couple times on other nights to see what would happen if I met her again after her period was obviously finished, but never did spot here there again.

About swimming... Damn, damn Billabong. That was one place I was eager to go stay, thought it'd be perfect having a swimming pool to hang out at during the day. But they switched to no female guests sometime in the past couple years, so that was that. So this time I figured I'd stay at another hotel and go there to hang out at the pool during the day, pay the fee. So one day I walked there from my hotel (near the riverfront) with my towel and swimsuit in my bag. Arrived and asked how much for swimming and was told: NO GUESTS. They changed their damn policy again. I asked why, he said because there are already too many hotel guests who want to use the pool. I looked and saw 4 people total in the swimming pool area. Sweat is dripping off me. I wanted to strangle the guy. Anyway, after that I went round the corner and talked to people at Flamingo and was told Cambodiana Hotel has a pool. So I took a motorbike taxi there. Has anyone seen this pool? The grounds of this place are vast and luxurious, so you figure it's gonna be good. Then you go through the lobby, out the back left side, and there is... a tiny miserable pool surrounded by a giant deck. It's an absurdly lousy pool for a hotel like that. It's a joke. And it's all in shade. No sun. So next I thought I'd check out if this NagaWorld next door has a pool. I go there. No they don't. I think they said "not yet". So I talked with the concierge and he said there's the Phnom Penh Sports Club pool on street 271. Turns out its way down a tad south of the Russian Market. I'm desperate though. I need pool. So I get on a motorbike taxi and he heads off, gets lost, finally we get there. It's fine. It's 2 pools, one for kids and another Olympic style (25m long)... with an outdoor patio restaurant and a couple big jacuzzis (one piping hot, the other cool) as well as sauna (closed at the time) and steam room, all ok to use for your $5 entry fee. It's a bit too family-oriented to be a great pool to relax at (a bit noisy) but it was by far the best option I found, especially now that Billabong is out. Man, screw Billabong. I so hate Billabong now.

About Khmer's ridicule... As I left the PP Sport Club, I took some side streets to go check out the Russian Market. As I walked past a group of people, there was a group of 30ish Khmer guys hanging out behind a car with some kids playing in the street just past them. As I pass the guys, one starts walking toward me and says something to me that sounded like muh-KAI Mom as he's laughing, apparently at me. Seemed to be showing off for his friends, they're all laughing along with him of course... no idea what he said but made a point of remembering what it sounded like in case I met someone later who spoke Khmer. I just kept walking on my way as if whatever he said made no sense to me, which it didn't. Pretty sure it wasn't friendly, whatever it was.

Evianist
02-18-10, 18:58
I ended up spending 2 nights with the 20 year old chesty girl. She wasn't really very into sex. Always wanting to stop and asking when I'm going to come.

At one point she started to smoke me instead of finishing me with sex. When I started to come in her mouth she pulled me out immediately and then ran to the bathroom and gagged for a while and asked why I did that. It was pretty melodramatic. I've never had anyone come in my mouth but there's no way it can be as bad as this girl made it out to be.

I paid her $25 LT the first night and only $10 the second night b/c she was too tired to boom boom and so I said "ok but I no pay" and only took a HJ in the morning. She was probably annoyed but oh well too bad.



Back in Bangkok now and much happier. Have taken 2 girls already and both have been amazing performers and sweet on top of that.

Will give Cambodia another try sometime. Maybe it was my fault I didn't have a great time there.

Shearer68
02-19-10, 06:52
Great reporting Wendella. Was thinking of a popping over to PP soon, so thanks for the detailed update,obviously I was lucky to be there in it's heyday,things seem to be a little harder now. I used to love the Billiabong too, had ok,clean rooms,good food and pool and I even managed a bit of late night swimming with a few young ladies a couple of times.Shame they seem to have changed attitudes ,the management a few years back seemed like nice guys.

Run Mann
02-19-10, 09:47
I am finally getting divorced

I will be making my first trip (to Vietnam and Cambodia) in 2 weeks.

Does anybody have any advice ?


Don't get married again.

Wendella
02-19-10, 10:24
Great reporting Wendella. Was thinking of a popping over to PP soon, so thanks for the detailed update,obviously I was lucky to be there in it's heyday,things seem to be a little harder now. I used to love the Billiabong too, had ok,clean rooms,good food and pool and I even managed a bit of late night swimming with a few young ladies a couple of times.Shame they seem to have changed attitudes ,the management a few years back seemed like nice guys.

Yeah its weird -- the place is located right in the middle of lots of prostitute pickup spots (street 63, Heart of Darkness, Walkabout, Circee, etc etc) on a street that looks totally "third world slum". Its not an area any sensible tourist would want to be in with their family. There are no restaurants for foreign tourists in the area. No sights. It's a bit like having a resort for Christian evangelists located in the heart of the super-gay Castro neighborhood of San Francisco.

I guess it all comes down to dollars and riel. That said, their cheapest rooms are $36 for a room that definitely feels small, comparable to one you'd pay $15-20 for elsewhere.

But one thing: that town definitely desperately needs some reasonably priced hotels with pools where overnight guests are allowed. There's NOTHING to do in the day there. It's so freaking hot and humid, it's SO obvious a pool would be a big draw at any hotel, the sure fire way to get a leg up on your competition. Yet there are so few, and the ones that exist are so terrible (Cambodiana's, Casa's is even more ridiculous). When they do have pools, they seem to start out with the idea that they want to build something that can be portrayed as a pool on a website or brochure but of course won't cost as much as a real pool to install. So you show up and find out it's just a mini-pool, 4 feet deep and no room to swim anywhere. I mean, these pools they have there are a joke. Even Billabong's is pretty small though.

Shadow6491
02-19-10, 15:23
You could stay at the Phnom Penh International Hotel up near Calmet Hospital. $85 per night on the VIP floors 4th floor and up. There are a few others but my memory is not working to great just now.

Phil Istine
02-20-10, 11:29
Billabong in very good location near the central market and the sorya, only mongers know of the red lights around there.

Pool pretty good size I think however with the 20 odd new rooms being added, or is it 30 may get squeezy.

Billabong trade up nearly 30% after sex tourist ban.

The three french hotels in the paviilion group are always full as is the villa langka.

They just don't need the sort of people who inhabit this site.

Very good pool at the holiday international near what phnom, place just renovated and with an asian clientel has lost of women around.

Himiwari pool so so but one can go to the country club or the VIP to swim in the daytime.

Yiddo
02-20-10, 11:45
first went to pp in '96. it was the best and cheapest mongering place i have ever seen. ever since then it has gone gradually downhill. last trip, a year ago now, it was officially deceased. went into martini at 11pm friday night: dead. same on saturday. ditto everywhere else. sharkey appears to be more of a couples / backpackers place nowadays. of course they needed to deal with the **** thing, but as usual it has gone way too far the other way now. you can't find a wg in pp who hasn't been on the game for less than 10 years now. unless someone tells me it's perked up again (unlikely), i'll never bother again.

Wendella
02-21-10, 06:35
Last trip, a year ago now, it was officially deceased. Went into Martini at 11pm Friday night: dead. Same on Saturday. Ditto everywhere else. I can report first hand that things have improved from that description at least. I was there last week. On my last visit to Martini I did a headcount, which was tough cuz everyone moves around, from room to room, before you can finish counting. I came up with 55-60 girls in the club at around 9.45pm. It looked to be the typical number, and I went there 4 different nights out of my 5 in PP. WHen I stopped in at Sharkys a couple times, there were girls there too (not as many as Martini, and not as cute in general). Walkabout was the one place that always seemed dead.

Great swimming pool info, Phil. Will check some of those out next time in town. The new no-outside-guests at Billabong's pool is a real bummer cuz thats exactly the kind of pool I like to chill out at -- good atmosphere, decent food at poolside, no kids, quiet. I didn't notice they were adding new rooms, but that was a glaring need at that place (such a big property with so few hotel rooms built into it).

Holiday is the hotel that has the Manhattan disco? Any idea what they charge for outside guest to use pool? That sounds like it could be a good candidate.

Roguesta
02-21-10, 11:20
I don't have first-hand knowledge of this, but Elsewhere has a pool, and you can use it, as well as wifi, if you spend $5 at the bar/restaurant. It's just off St.51 on the first street south of Sihanouk Blvd.

Evianist
02-21-10, 11:32
first went to pp in '96. it was the best and cheapest mongering place i have ever seen. ever since then it has gone gradually downhill. last trip, a year ago now, it was officially deceased. went into martini at 11pm friday night: dead. same on saturday. ditto everywhere else. sharkey appears to be more of a couples / backpackers place nowadays. of course they needed to deal with the **** thing, but as usual it has gone way too far the other way now. you can't find a wg in pp who hasn't been on the game for less than 10 years now. unless someone tells me it's perked up again (unlikely), i'll never bother again.walkabout is the only place that's empty every night.

the other places have girls, but you're right that they're mostly hardened pros. doesn't seem like there are many semi-pros or new girls. i'd guess most of these types are ending up in the hostess bars.

from what i had read, i was expecting great things in cambodia, but that must be past glory because it was a definite disappointment.

Camboblowshooter
02-21-10, 19:42
Yeh, well., it must be that what tourist experience and expats do is quite different.,

As my house is just a few hundred meters(yes Wendella) from Martini I am there quite often, what is reported about it is more or less true, there are days its quite empty, but for expats that does not matter because we have all the girls there number and for 10/15 bucks they gladly (all) of them, come to your house so even no need to go in there for us.

There are so many other places to go beside the shitholes on riverside and side streets, but of course no one of your posters want to set their pride aside and ask for some help. Like to swim? An olympic size swimming pool 5 minutes from my house. Girl friendly.

But for those unable to get laid in the Penh, there is still Assene his bar, Le Circee or opposite former Mikado, now called Somaly where 15/20 bucks get you what you want, so whats the problem? Ahaa., what is inside is not good enough for you? You want real stunners, real real stunners, possible, easily in the Penh, but not for 20 bucks and not in the places you frequent.

Pay Bangkok prices and you will get them, but then again you can just as well stay home, not so.

For us expats we like it you can not get laid in the Penh, keeps prices down, is good for us. A few hours ago a real stunner came to my house before she started her job at Martini, damage 15 bucks, how nice, and this one is working almost every evening in Martini, and you can not find her? How come? Is better you go Pattaya.

Member #3443
02-21-10, 22:20
he is charged with violating article 28 "procurement with regard to child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 7-15 years for victims **** of 18.
he is also charged with article 35 "soliciting for child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 5-10 years if the offense is committed as a business. the american paid him nearly 8 grand for the 3 girls. good riddance to him, his partner, and the american.

Evianist
02-22-10, 01:34
Yeh, well., it must be that what tourist experience and expats do is quite different.,


Oooh look at me I am mr. big shot expat I know everything and have every gorgeous girl in the city's cell phone number ooooh woooo hooooo I am so fond of myself my life is so wonderful I am so much better than tourists and I like to rub on my genitals every day with fine imported feathers

of course your post doesn't actually provide any info to anyone which makes it pretty useless

Wendella
02-22-10, 06:20
Yeh, well., it must be that what tourist experience and expats do is quite different.

Yo dude what's with the attitude? Relax man. Yes I did ask some pepole some questions, but by private message. I also did some RTFF. I didn't ask newbie type questions here because I'd already read up and found answers. About the pool, Billabong's had been available to non-hotel-guests until recently, so there was no reason to be asking around about pools to go to, as far as I knew. As soon as I found out it wasn't available, which was when I showed up there to go swimming, I immediately asked around in the area to find another one - I had my towel in a bag and my swimsuit already on under my shorts, and it was late afternoon -- so I wasn't gonna go ask on the internet.

So what else. Yeah prices are lower and and connections are better for expats than for tourists. I know. I expect to have it tougher when I visit as a tourist. And I'm willing to deal with that (pay more, have fewer options). Thats life.

Anyway... Somaly's? The sign outside did say Salomon. Maybe its called Somaly in Khmer, I dunno. Yeah those girls looked pretty rough, I have to say. If I don't feel that tingle down there, it ain't gonna happen. At Circee there was one I'd have taken but she was always busy with another customer whenever I was there. And then there was the hottie bartender who was unavailable to customers. The others weren't tempting. To me at least. Does it bug you that I'm picky? We're all different man. Some of us less picky, some of more. Life would be way easier for me, and happier I guess, if I wasn't picky, but I am. If the girl isn't cute enough to get me going, I can't get into it. For me, I'd rather go back to the hotel and watch tv and have snacks than take back a girl I'm not that into. That's just me.

Well it sounds like you probably know some good places for the stunner types, and at higher prices from what you say. Fair enough. I'm sure some here would be interested to hear where. I read a few months back about one, I think on Mao Tse Tung Blvd or someplace down there. Khmer-oriented club supposedly a bit tough to navigate for a foreigner, let alone a non-Khmer speaking tourist like me.

Are you cool with sharing info with people here...? From the way you were talking, not sure. If yes, let's talk about it. If not... well... ok.

Anyway, no harm meant from my end. Not sure what part of what I wrote ticked you off. Was just describing things from my own tourist POV. And I don't live in Thailand, if you thought that. I've only been to Pattaya twice, Bangkok a few times. But I still think it's obvious to anyone who visits both in a short tiem span that BKK has way more available than PP. But if you find what you like in PP, that's all good. Me, I'm in Vietnam, and I have to say I get bored of what's available here, feel a hunger to experience something different (which was what got me over to PP this time). Actually, for that reason, I was much less interestd in the VN girls at Martini than in Khmer girls. Something different.

I totally believe it if you say Martini is empty some nights. It's just on the nights I happened to be there, it looked like it was about 50-60 girls every time (Th, Fr, Su, Mo). I've seen it busier than that on some previous visits in past yrs... and at the old location down in the southwest corner of town (where it was from the 90s until the early 00s).

Wendella
02-22-10, 07:02
he is charged with violating article 28 "procurement with regard to child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 7-15 years for victims **** of 18.
he is also charged with article 35 "soliciting for child prostitution"....if found guilty gets 5-10 years if the offense is committed as a business. the american paid him nearly 8 grand for the 3 girls. good riddance to him, his partner, and the american.

holy crow. 8 thousand dollars? thats insane. how old were these 3 girls? will be interesting to see how this one plays out. this sovanmee was on here quite a bit in the past and always trying to get business from members here (to be their driver), and i guess he was pming people offering these kinds of service he's in trouble for now. its a good bet that the authorities have gained access to his email and account here, so would have access also to whatever he wrote to anyone or anyone wrote to him, and with those email addresses they can probably figure out who is who.

Ekspat
02-22-10, 07:39
As my house is just a few hundred meters from Martini
Thank god I don't have to live there.
But anyway, such a long post with zero information.
What for? You have much time to kill?

Enjoy!

Backtobasics
02-22-10, 09:57
Thank god I don't have to live there.
But anyway, such a long post with zero information.
What for? You have much time to kill?

Enjoy!

In an earlier post, he recommended 'massage' at Youchouv. As that was a rare nugget for him to share, can anyone else attest to the qluality of service ay Youchouv?

Phil Istine
02-22-10, 13:49
Look, I have been living here for nearly three years and I speak pretty fair khmer.

The tourists go to the usual spots and often get a bum deal.

If one can speak khmer the options are endless, so many nice girls.

The best girls now work at Khmer night spots where only khmer is spoken.

They make much money with the khmers, japanese and koreans-we are the poor cousins who hate to send money.

Asians love to go ouit and drink heaps and spend money-this is the 21st century and they have the dosh, not us.

I drive the streets every day and I see so many good places, not that I go.

I find that driving around at 5 to 6 at night one sees the best girls being delivered to work by the boyfriend.

If one was a real serious hunter one would follow these girls to their place of work.

Camboblowshooter
02-22-10, 17:44
Even if someone was giving you the way to certain clubs, it would be very very difficult for you to find them without help on the ground from someone who knows them.

Riverside and the side streets? I never come there as I do not pay barfines or lady drinks. I am more off the 'beaten track'.

But from 'hearsay' on street 104 Zanzibar and Rose bar and on street 136 bar '69' have some quality inside and 'specials'. Just find out for yourself. Also you can have a try at Nay Nay on street 102, a friend found a stunner inside there a few months back, so good he kept her for a week.

For me, the best way for ANYBODY to get an endless supply of girls, be it a tourist or expat (but as tourist you will pay a little bit more, but does that matter as you are only short time here) is to befriend a mamasan or a working girl who is on the verge of becoming a mamasan due to her age, and if you be nice to them and you are a good person and treat the girls well, I guarantee you an endless supply of girls whenever you like for 10/15 bucks ST. I know this as a certainty myself, I think you understand.

Also, if you know an expat in the Penh who is using this 'system' he can take you right into the middle of the cake.

Having said all this, however you must clearly understand that many girls you meet anywhere are 'available'. For a certain price.

This country is not Thailand, the amount of beathy found there is not here. If you always insist on a stunner it is going to cost you from 80/100 bucks and up. In this field you are competing with the Chinese and other business people and you are not going to find them in the 'barang' joints.

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Wendella
02-23-10, 05:43
I nearly forgot to mentoin one incident at Martini. On the night I was in pursuit of the Vogue girl (the Viet one iwth the bangs/fringe--btw, do you guys know who it is I mean? She was there almost every night when i was in town), and she got nabbed by the Japanese guy just as I was about to approach her, there was another girl there who I talked to. She was tallish, very thin, and light skinned, also Vietnamese--every time I saw her at the club, she was wearing a black dress that showed her armss and shoulders. Anyway, she said she would go for $40 LT, or $20 ST. I showed interest in LT but said that was too high, I said $25 LT (bargaining here, didn't expect her to come down that far). Well, she then came back and said she'd do $17 ST or $40 LT. I asked why not come down for LT? I offered her $30 LT next. She said, no, $40. Then... she got up and walked away. Weird. She reduced the ST price but wouldn't budge an inch on LT. Just as well, because that was the clue I took to leave (I woudl have felt like I was settling with her, accepting a consolation prize). After that I went to St 136 and found the little spinner hottie that I ended up wiht the next night for $40, there's a good chance if I'd taken the VN girl I never would've hooked up with that one (which was a clear improvement -- she was even cuter than the Vogue girl). But now that I remember, I think that big table of Japanese guys was like blood in the water, and she was the shark circling. She actually was kind of loitering always right around the permiter of where those guys were all sitting. And it looked like they all had found partners, so it didn't look like she was gonna get picked.

I totally expect to have to pay more as a tourist, so that's fine. Are those prices I got asked at the 136 bars standard? They wanted $10 bar fine and then $30 for ST with the girl. Yeah I know thats; way high for expats, but I wonder if a tourist can bargain it down. The girl I had there was even hesitant to go out with me AT ALL, so I didn't have too much bargaining room. But that night I came back for her, even after we had arranged to go out and the price, she had that look on her face like she was half thinking of a reason to say No. That's something us tourists really have to deal with a lot more I'm pretty sure.

So I'm curious about the high end stunner type scenes you guys talk about, where the Chinese/Asians/local rich Khmers go. The places I've heard most about are Manhattan disco, Casa disco, and X2. Are those some of the ones you have in mind? (I did check Casa and it was totally dead the night I was there, which was a Friday night just after 11pm). When I come back, I'd definitely at least go check out some of these higher end type places, at least just to see what's available there, and possibly to try to take some out. You have to treat yourself once in awhile.

Phil Istine
02-23-10, 14:46
A year ago many girls in bars would not go, for those who live here now they all go and for less money.

The nicest hostesses will go nowadays if they like you for $20 long time.

Martini maybe $20 short time.

Khmer places arent cheap but they have the best girls, but one must speak khmer even to get in the door, let alone talk to girls.

Any KTV, x2 or 5000 up to now 10, 000 riel place can be great-there are a plethora of places.

I like the khmer beer gardens, there is a good one on st 63 with twenty girls singing, a few very nice.

If one can speak khmer they are available, but the nice ones all have a boyfriend according to my missus.

But WTF

Evianist
02-24-10, 03:17
$80-100 for a girl in one of the poorest countries in the world? I'll pass.

They're likely girls who are all business and no soul and tend to cater to asian business guys who have a lot of money but no skills with the ladies.

One Wing Low
02-24-10, 04:47
The cute 40's Viet madame at Martini, I forgot her name, is she still working there? She matched me up with quite a few Viet girls last time I was there. Most Viet girls were like 18-20.

She would facilitate the deals between the girls and the old farangs, make them both agree to go together. She said she makes $1 for each deal from the girl.

She complained of so much expenses in her family with kids in school etc... that if I did not pick up any girl, she would do me for $1...hehehe.

She's one sexy, charming, smiling, funny, good-looking woman, whom I would not mind fucking all night...

Damn I miss Pnom Penh...


For me, the best way for ANYBODY to get an endless supply of girls, be it a tourist or expat (but as tourist you will pay a little bit more, but does that matter as you are only short time here) is to befriend a mamasan or a working girl who is on the verge of becoming a mamasan due to her age, and if you be nice to them and you are a good person and treat the girls well, I guarantee you an endless supply of girls whenever you like for 10/15 bucks ST. I know this as a certainty myself, I think you understand.

Wendella
02-24-10, 06:38
The nicest hostesses will go nowadays if they like you for $20 long time.

Khmer places arent cheap but they have the best girls, but one must speak khmer even to get in the door, let alone talk to girls.

Any KTV, x2 or 5000 up to now 10, 000 riel place can be great-there are a plethora of places.

I like the khmer beer gardens, there is a good one on st 63 with twenty girls singing, a few very nice.


Have to speak Khmer to get in the door? So they wouldn't even let you in the club if you didnt' speak to them in Khmer? Weird.

Not sure what you mean by 5000 to 10,000 riel place....?

A few yrs back, I got taken by a motorbike driver to a "beer garden" (thats what the sign said) on I think street 130, or else 136, not far from the river. Downstairs had a big empty room in front, then you'd go a bit to the left and as you passed through a wide openign there was a big staircase on the right side that went up a few flights. Up on I think the 2nd or 3rd floor, you came to a floor that had a medium sized fishbowl with a few not-very-attractive Viet girls inside, all watching tv. There was sofa going all around the permiter of the outside room. Anyway, on this last visit I returned to what seemed to be teh same place and its a nightclub for young Khmers now, with a really packed dancefloor in teh back of that ground level. Some people were going upstairs but I doubted it still had taht fishbowl up there, considering who the current clientele were. (tho I wouldnt' be shocked if it was still up there)


$80-100 for a girl in one of the poorest countries in the world? I'll pass.
They're likely girls who are all business and no soul and tend to cater to asian business guys who have a lot of money but no skills with the ladies.

If she was amazing I might try, maybe once on a visit. I have tried a few expensive girls in the past (one I can think of in VN who was $100 LT) and sometimes had excellent experiences. Sometimes you do get your money's worth in quality. Always? No, but here in VN, there's definitely an overall rise in the quality of experience (not to mention looks) at the higher end. But like with everything, there's exceptions, sometimes you get total clunkers, so I can only say "overall". But on the low end, the cheapest ones have a way higher rate of being disappointing for one reason or another, where you have a really good chance of getting that session where it's obvious the girl wants to jsut get out of there as soon as possible. I guess in PP, you might get that kind of thing from girls in the cheap massage brothels, or else those girls who stand curbside in Hun Sen Park ( I guess).

Speaking of which, I never did pick up one of those girls but nearly did on a longish visit a few years ago. Maybe "nearly" isn't the right word. I approached a girl and ended up being greeted by her "pimp", a little Khmer tough guy of about 13. So he explained the girl would be $7 ST, and only ST, and I had to pay now. So I forked it over, and went to get us a motorbike, turned to see that pimpboy was totally gone and the girl running down a dark side street. Hilarious when I think back on it now, but of course at the time I was pretty pissed off. What was I thinking. Also hilarious was how they insisted on it being ST only, which was a great distraction technique, since the whole thing was set up to really be NT (no time). So NT at Hun Sen Park, I can report first hand: just $7. ;)

Evianist
02-24-10, 11:10
If she was amazing I might try, maybe once on a visit. I have tried a few expensive girls in the past (one I can think of in VN who was $100 LT) and sometimes had excellent experiences. Sometimes you do get your money's worth in quality. Always? No, but here in VN, there's definitely an overall rise in the quality of experience (not to mention looks) at the higher end. But like with everything, there's exceptions, sometimes you get total clunkers, so I can only say "overall". But on the low end, the cheapest ones have a way higher rate of being disappointing for one reason or another, where you have a really good chance of getting that session where it's obvious the girl wants to jsut get out of there as soon as possible. I guess in PP, you might get that kind of thing from girls in the cheap massage brothels, or else those girls who stand curbside in Hun Sen Park ( I guess).


I might try if she was gorgeous and completely devoid of attitude and arrogance. Other than that, you're just paying the higher rate so you can feel like a big shot high roller. I doubt the hit/miss ratio for high class $90 girls in PP would be much higher than with the girls charging $20. Generally I prefer the girls who charge roughly the going rate.

Betong
02-24-10, 16:51
I doubt the hit/miss ratio for high class $90 girls in PP would be much higher than with the girls charging $20.Might well be lower!


Generally I prefer the girls who charge roughly the going rate.Going rate for what? Listen, it doesn't matter how poor or cheap a place is these days. Really hot girls are like iPods -- thanks to globalization they pretty much go for the same price anywhere. OK, a bit cheaper here, but not all that much. These days the whole concept of "How dare you ask for $100 when most people in your country don't earn that in a month" is a non-starter.

Wendella
02-24-10, 16:52
I might try if she was gorgeous and completely devoid of attitude and arrogance. Other than that, you're just paying the higher rate so you can feel like a big shot high roller. I doubt the hit/miss ratio for high class $90 girls in PP would be much higher than with the girls charging $20. Generally I prefer the girls who charge roughly the going rate.

I wouldn't pay that much for a girl who was a 6, no she'd surely have to be something special in the looks dept at that price. I certainly don't do it to feel like a high roller. For me, it's more that I might go to some place where I know they charge that much cuz I've heard there's a lot of hotties there. Basically, if there's some venue that charges that much, you can expect that a much higher % of the girls available there will be 7s, 8s or higher, where if you go somewhere where they charge $20, ok there may be some hotties there, but almost surely not as many or as high a % as at the high end spot.

Evianist
02-25-10, 02:50
Going rate for what? Listen, it doesn't matter how poor or cheap a place is these days. Really hot girls are like iPods -- thanks to globalization they pretty much go for the same price anywhere. OK, a bit cheaper here, but not all that much. These days the whole concept of "How dare you ask for $100 when most people in your country don't earn that in a month" is a non-starter.


you think high class call girls in New York cost $100? laughing out loud

as tourists or expats, we have to put up with the general shitholiness of cambodia, which means we deserve cheaper prices (for everything) as our reward

Roguesta
02-25-10, 08:16
Anyone who really feels that way about Cambodia probably shouldn't come here. Some of us actually like living here.

Wendella
02-25-10, 11:23
Anyone who really feels that way about Cambodia probably shouldn't come here. Some of us actually like living here.

Which way?

I should take back some of what I said a few pages back -- that talent had 'fallen off a cliff' in PP since the early 00s. That's not correct. It's become more expensive and more difficult, but after a few days there I realized its actually about the same as it was in terms of available talent.

I have a feeling Evianist might have been referring to the way PP and Cambodia itself has a really rough look to it, with quite dirty streets, buildings and roads in rough shape, just looks really poor and underdeveloped basically. The word he used to describe that (if this guess of mine is right) wasn't as diplomatic as it could've been.

Betong
02-25-10, 14:24
as tourists or expats, we have to put up with the general shitholiness of cambodia, which means we deserve cheaper prices (for everything) as our rewardIt's all about supply and demand, not the scenery. The supply of the very best girls is always going to be limited. But meanwhile mongers are pouring in from all over the world to find them. Yes, because they still are cheaper (and often hotter) than they would be in NY or Paris etc., but not nearly as much cheaper as they used to be. Inevitable price correction, and it's only going to continue.

Wendella
02-25-10, 16:05
The cute 40's Viet madame at Martini, I forgot her name, is she still working there? She matched me up with quite a few Viet girls last time I was there. Most Viet girls were like 18-20.

She would facilitate the deals between the girls and the old farangs, make them both agree to go together. She said she makes $1 for each deal from the girl.

I actually might have seen this lady -- tho how can we know. Actually there was an older but fairly attractive lady dancing along with the Vogue girl and a few others, sometimes chatting together. I'd guess her to be late 30s early 40s. Same one? Who knows. Looks like we're both out of PP now, so no way to find out. Maybe if you had her name, one of these local guys could tell ya.

Evianist
02-25-10, 16:06
I have a feeling Evianist might have been referring to the way PP and Cambodia itself has a really rough look to it, with quite dirty streets, buildings and roads in rough shape, just looks really poor and underdeveloped basically.

Yes. And with that should come cheap women.

If you end up with a shitty underdeveloped country with women who are no cheaper than other countries, the tourist dollars will start to dry up quickly.

Roguesta
02-25-10, 16:54
This is a common misconception, that if the mongers stop coming to Cambodia, the tourist dollars will go away. Quite the opposite is true. As the number of sex tourists lessen, other tourists begin to pour in (Western women, families, etc...). I am a business owner in Phnom Penh who depends on travelers, and this is how I see it.

One Wing Low
02-25-10, 18:00
There is only 1 madame at Martini. If you see any woman in mid 30's, that's her. Anyone wanting to be a new madame at Martini has to walk over her dead body...

I was trying to befriend this woman. It's true the local guys say, they can refer a lot of good girls who do good service to you. The girls trust her and would do what she suggests. They would hesitate big time, but with the madame's urging, would go with the old guys their grand daddys' age.

The old guys sitting around Martini are mostly French-speaking, rough-looking, white hair guys. They look like retirees with pensions from Legion Etrangere from the old Indochina war...hehehe.


I actually might have seen this lady -- tho how can we know. Actually there was an older but fairly attractive lady dancing along with the Vogue girl and a few others, sometimes chatting together. I'd guess her to be late 30s early 40s. Same one? Who knows. Looks like we're both out of PP now, so no way to find out. Maybe if you had her name, one of these local guys could tell ya.

Booey
02-25-10, 21:18
It's all about supply and demand, not the scenery. The supply of the very best girls is always going to be limited. But meanwhile mongers are pouring in from all over the world to find them. Yes, because they still are cheaper (and often hotter) than they would be in NY or Paris etc., but not nearly as much cheaper as they used to B. Inevitable price correction, and it's only going to continue.I agree with you about supply and demand, and I would also add that you have to take into account the "uneducated" monger. This is the guy who doesn't take the time to find out what the going rates are, whether it is for ladies, transportation, etc, and when he is quoted an outrageous price (at least it would be to many of us) he thinks it is a smoking deal and pays it with no hesitation. Voila, new price point or at least the higher rate will be the new starting point for negotiations. Sucks!

Betong
02-25-10, 23:23
As the number of sex tourists lessen, other tourists begin to pour in (Western women, families, etc...).This is one of the big complaints you'll hear from old Cambodian hands -- PP is becoming too much of a legitimate tourist destination!

Anyhow the big pressure on prices for the high-end girls these days seems to be from Asians -- Japanese, Koreans, and now Chinese. My guess is that their numbers are going to keep on increasing for a long while to come.

Evianist
02-26-10, 02:05
This is a common misconception, that if the mongers stop coming to Cambodia, the tourist dollars will go away. Quite the opposite is true. As the number of sex tourists lessen, other tourists begin to pour in (Western women, families, etc...). I am a business owner in Phnom Penh who depends on travelers, and this is how I see it.


Family vacation to Phnom Penh? To see what?

There are no tourist sights and there isn't any kind of infrastructure to support tourism. At best you get some people stopping for a day before heading up to Angkor.

You lose the mongers and you don't get legitimate tourists, you get nothing.

Roguesta
02-26-10, 04:23
Phnom Penh has more than you realize. It has cruises along the Mekong, as well as many markets. Mainly, though, Phnom Penh is a hub. People will come to Phnom Penh, and then travel to Siem Reap. Then, they'll return to Phnom Penh before traveling to Sihanoukville. Many are coming because they can see that Cambodia needs help, and greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to offer a hand. Many of my guests spend lots of time at the orphanages.

This past year, Conde Nast Traveler listed Cambodia as one of the top nine destinations in the world. They placed it under the heading 'Beat the crowds'.

You come here for the ladies, and that's all that you care to see....and this is okay.

Evianist
02-26-10, 06:34
phnom penh has more than you realize. it has cruises along the mekong, as well as many markets. mainly, though, phnom penh is a hub. people will come to phnom penh, and then travel to siem reap. then, they'll return to phnom penh before traveling to sihanoukville

are you sure you're not thinking of bangkok or singapore?

right now, the top two tourist attractions are **** hookers and the shooting range where you can shoot a cow with a rocket launcher. sounds like a great family vacation.

i realize you work in tourism and thus you're just talking your book, but phnom penh has a long way to go before it can support any serious amount of tourists, so i hope you didn't sink too much money into your business. when they finally make a fast bus/train from thailand to siem reap, pp will become completely unnecessary on the tourist trail unless they put in some serious effort to get their act together.

Wendella
02-26-10, 07:04
Phnom Penh has more than you realize. It has cruises along the Mekong, as well as many markets. Mainly, though, Phnom Penh is a hub. People will come to Phnom Penh, and then travel to Siem Reap. Then, they'll return to Phnom Penh before traveling to Sihanoukville. Many are coming because they can see that Cambodia needs help, and greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to offer a hand. Many of my guests spend lots of time at the orphanages.

This past year, Conde Nast Traveler listed Cambodia as one of the top nine destinations in the world. They placed it under the heading 'Beat the crowds'.

You come here for the ladies, and that's all that you care to see....and this is okay.

To me, I'd think for a typical healthy-minded tourist, Phnom Penh surely has to be the B destination to Siemp Reap/Angkor Wat's A. Angkor is arguably the most interesting 'site' in all Southeast Asia -- there just are few spots on the whole planet that can compare, for that kind of thing (the pyramids, Macchu Picchu, great wall, etc.). So for those people, which should be the vast majority, Phnom Penh is either "something else to check out next" on the 7 days or more holiday, or else a step on the way of something else again to check out, Sihanoukville -- which might also vie for the B destination of Cambodia, along with maybe Battambang. (in which case PP becomes C or even D) For atypical tourists with dark tendencies (non-sexual) there are the attractions of S-21 and the killing fields in PP, but not the kinds of things people travel from Europe or Japan to see. I'd think the main 'nice' attractions of PP would be the palace and museum, but both those pale in comparison to Bangkok's similar-but-much-better sites.

What PP really has to work on, which is a serious turnoff to tourists, is the streets hygiene. Actually it's a problem across the country, the piles of trash everywhere. Another big one is the lack of street lighting. There are so many streets even right downtown that are really dark and scary at night because they haven't put in adequate street lighting. It makes it dangerous to walk around. If you go over to Vietnam or Thailand, where they also have trouble with public officials taking certain liberties with funds, you see vastly better attention paid to these kinds of propblems, which are squarely the responsibility of the government. In that country, those 2 words seem to be contradictory terms.

Anyway, however it is happening, it can't be denied that the number of regular tourists has risen a lot. And I would say a lot of the kinds of guys that I saw in bars on streets 104 and 136 were types I never did see at monger spots in PP in past years. Namely, younger budget to middle income tourist types who look like they're brand new to this kind of thing. Lots of those now.

Nerdynomad
02-26-10, 08:59
The majority of tourists to PP are already legitimate, if you spend your days and nights in hostess bars though you're only seeing a very small part of the city, there is an absolute shitload of day trips out of PP. Every time I visit I find myself spending less time in the bars and more off doing those non existent touristy things.

Betong
02-26-10, 14:31
What PP really has to work on, which is a serious turnoff to tourists, is the streets hygiene. Actually it's a problem across the country, the piles of trash everywhere. Another big one is the lack of street lighting.Well they are making progress. As recently as the mid-90s there was essentially no street lighting. You'd step out at night and the whole town was pitch black. Also no sealing on most of the smaller roads. They were often just a morass of mud. So I've been impressed by the pace of change, but I can understand how someone arriving fresh from the West might be taken aback. People from elsewhere in Asia -- Vietnamese are now the #1 international arrivals, followed by Koreans -- seem to take it more in stride.

Sharka
02-27-10, 01:01
Well they are making progress. As recently as the mid-90s there was essentially no street lighting. You'd step out at night and the whole town was pitch black. Also no sealing on most of the smaller roads. They were often just a morass of mud. So I've been impressed by the pace of change, but I can understand how someone arriving fresh from the West might be taken aback. .


Yes, I've also seen the progress but mostly on the major streets. The smaller side/ connecting streets are still mostly morass of mud.
Another major problem is their almost non-existant drainage system. After a typical Cambodian thunderstorm most streets (including the major ones ) turns into a small lake--with the only thing missing is the fishes. I'm not taken aback because this is still a true 3rd world country in almost every sense, but thats one of the appeals to me coming from a major city in the West--IMO.

Shark

Sharka
02-27-10, 01:11
Phnom Penh has more than you realize. It has cruises along the Mekong, as well as many markets. Mainly, though, Phnom Penh is a hub..


Actually, this is somewhat true as the big major shopping markets in Cambo are in PP, along with all the connections (hub) to almost anywhere in Cambo and beyond. Depending on where I'm coming from I often have to fly to PP before getting the connections to other places I frequent in Cambo.
But PP is still not what I like to call a "family friendly" destination I'd recomend to families with kids. Bringing kids??-maybe not--IMO

Shark

Nerdynomad
02-27-10, 02:20
But PP is still not what I like to call a "family friendly" destination I'd recomend to families with kids. Bringing kids??-maybe not--IMO

SharkThe place is never going to be fucking disneyland, you seems to have a very narrow idea of what tourism is.

Phil Istine
02-27-10, 05:01
The rivers are the best things about phnom penh.

One can to go to okneatay island of koh daich or cruise down to kien svay.

Kien svay is great,no tourists ever-hope they never go.

The old floating brothel/ restaurants are full of character.

Wendella
02-27-10, 05:57
this is still a true 3rd world country in almost every sense

Well, it's one where the leaders are accumulating vast wealth and there's no viable multi-party system. It's de facto one-party rule, and unlike Singapore where the one party made an effort to improve the place, this bunch is mainly seeking to improve only the insides of their compounds, not the outsides. Vietnam had a long war and then strict Communist rule to blame for its lagging behind. What's Cambodia's excuse. It's been stable there for a long time now. I mean, yeah, I see the changes, but it's a pretty pathetically slow rate of progress. There's side streets in downtown central PP that are pitch black at night. Meanwhile all the homes of these ruling families are lit up like Yankee Stadium 24-7.

Wendella
02-27-10, 06:25
The rivers are the best things about phnom penh.

One can to go to okneatay island of koh daich or cruise down to kien svay.

Kien svay is great,no tourists ever-hope they never go.

The old floating brothel/ restaurants are full of character.

Sounds pretty cool. What is it that's special abouot these places? And where would we go to catch the boats to get there? Assume speaking some Khmer would come in handy at that point. (which is ok, us tourist types could get our hotel staff to help us write it out)

Phil Istine
02-27-10, 15:09
Look the whole Kien Svay area from the river inland is good. If one turns right off highway one there is a road with several khmer restaurants in gardens with big lakes, where onbe swings on the hammock over the lake and eats and drinks. I went to one that had lots of tame animals, turkeys, doves, a bloody big deer etc fishing too in the ponds but the floating places are good for us, some massa rooms have even come back but just to go and drink beer and eat pork ribs and mango salad is magnificent. Boats were ten bucks an hour, so three hours with waiting time.$25 big bill at the restaurant, maybe ten people like last time-$50 maybe, I forget anyway a great experience but possisibly now fucked up boat operators must now have a licence and pay fees and accept the same tarrif it won't last long.

Wendella
03-01-10, 05:58
Look the whole Kien Svay area from the river inland is good. .
We just talked about this by PM but thought I'd mention in the thread about what we discussed: when I was at Candy Bar a couple weeks ago, a girl handed me a flier for a day-trip offered by the bar. Go out on a boat to an island along with 60 girls for the day. Not sure if it's the same island you mentioned. The flier I saw was for the 21st Feb, but maybe they do it again and again. Price was $25, which included food and bev for the day, which I presume was beer.

Phil was telling me about how recent law changes might have had an impact on these cheap boats going out (the ones you could hire solo), that they were forcibly moved down to where Naga casino is, a bit far from the main tourist area.

Hey theres an idea, create your own Candy bar trip. Go to Martini or somewhere and hand out invites to all the girls for your own boat trip, have them all show up the next morning. ;)

Javel
03-02-10, 09:02
My 1. St trip to Cambodia.

Did the route that is mostly suggested at this page.

Walkabout: nothing of interest.

Sharkeys: mostly to old.

Martini: A few lookers, but most girls with mobile phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.

Streetwalkers: Didn't look for it, but observed some action in the park around what Phnom at daytime.

Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.

Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.

None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off to. Avoid this place.

My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.

If nobody enlightens me, I will stay away in the future.

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Sharka
03-03-10, 00:24
Vietnam had a long war and then strict Communist rule to blame for its lagging behind. What's Cambodia's excuse..


Truth is that the long Vietnam war also dragged poor Cambodia into the gutters as the Ho Chi Minh supply trail into S. Vietnam was mainly thru Cambodia. And if I'm not mistaken, I heard more bombs were actually dropped in Cambo trying to stop the supplies than in Vietnam itself (yet, it was suppose to be the "Vietnam War".

Following the long war it only got worse as Pol Pot (Khmer Rouge) took power and exterminated their best 1/3 of their population and almost everyone with an education in Cambodia, leaving the country in the hands of mostly unskilled, uneducated peasants and practically thrown into the dark ages.
So, yes, poor Cambodia does have an excuse and it's a very sad one.

Shark

Sharka
03-03-10, 00:36
The place is never going to be fucking disneyland, you seems to have a very narrow idea of what tourism is.


Why the hostile responses? We are here to help with information for a better time for everyone.
I've NEVER said PP will be another Disneyland or even a family resort. I posted before that I didn't even think this is a place to bring a family (kids).
I merely stated PP was a central transport hub for me to get to other places (or arrival from other places) and a fairly good shopping place compared to other places in Cambodia.
And yes, I do know what tourism is all about as I've been a world well traveled tourist all my life. It's only being a monger that is newer to me.

Friendly advise:
Best to chill out if you expect others to help you when you go to other threads with question in places you've never been to. You may be an expert here in PP and being an expert you are suppose to help others that require some help as other experts will surely try to help you in the same situation.

Remember, being a newbie, many will often check on your previous past posts to see if you are even worthy of a reply and having a bad attitude over simple questions/answers is not the way to go. So best to tread lightly.--IMO

Shark

Sharka
03-03-10, 01:18
My 1. St trip to Cambodia.

Did the route that is mostly suggested at this page.

Walkabout: nothing of interest.

Sharkeys: mostly to old.

Martini: A few lookers, but most girls with mobile phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.

Streetwalkers: Didn't look for it, but observed some action in the park around what Phnom at daytime.

Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.

Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.

None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off to. Avoid this place.

My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.

If nobody enlightens me, I will stay away in the future.

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Hard to say for sure as I don't really know what your requirements are.
I've never stayed at the California 2 so can't comment on that place. But in general, if you are taking ladies back it is best to stay in places that were recommended here on this thread and avoid the smaller family owned "guesthouses"--it's not because they are not lady friendly but they often locked their doors early (as early as 10pm) and that will kill the mood for me being locked out with my lady in tow.

Bars and lady hangouts changes day to day and often hour to hour as some of the best talent may have just taken out 5min before you arrive. But this is typical of almost ALL places in any country, not just Cambo.
Lady hunting is like fishing, there will be days when you are lucky and days when you may turn out empty. But the more places you visit, the better your odds.

Shark

Phantomtiger2
03-03-10, 02:08
Friendly advise:
Best to chill out if you expect others to help you when you go to other threads with question in places you've never been to. You may be an expert here in PP and being an expert you are suppose to help others that require some help as other experts will surely try to help you in the same situation.

Remember, being a newbie, many will often check on your previous past posts to see if you are even worthy of a reply and having a bad attitude over simple questions/answers is not the way to go. So best to tread lightly.--IMO

Shark

Absolutely agree with this.
This is good advise and a friendly advise at that. Many other seniors may not be as friendly as Sharka in his replies to answers with obvious hostile tones.
Lucky that Shark is a very friendly and nice guy.
I agree that you will get the most help if you are nice to other members, and have contributed to the forum in positive ways with helpful post to others, regardless of being a newbie or a senior. And that is not an opinion but a fact.

PT

Wendella
03-03-10, 04:23
truth is that the long vietnam war also dragged poor cambodia into the gutters as the ho chi minh supply trail into s. vietnam was mainly thru cambodia.
i guess, for me, cambodia has had a good long time to bounce back, and a hell of a lot of help, but i think its fair to say the govt there is one of the most corrupt in the world, from top to bottom, with no sign of improvement, and every sign of it only getting worse. at some point, they need to take some responsbility for what they do and be held accountable for what they do, stop with the lame excuses, and do what's right (for a start, obey their own laws -- i'm sure expats here could tell you some doozies of stories about the offspring of certain leaders commiting crimes that would have them in o.j. type scandals back in our countries, only to get off with no charges at all pressed against them... then there's the land confirep001ion/bulldozing of shanty ghettoes... the illegal logging and mining... the trumped up charges against political foes... the list goes on). anyway, i think anyone who's paid any attention knows there will never be good governance there as long as hun sen is alive. and the behavior of the offspring doesn't leave much room for hope for the future.

Hippie
03-03-10, 04:47
My 1. St trip to Cambodia.

Did the route that is mostly suggested at this page.

Walkabout: nothing of interest.

Sharkeys: mostly to old.

Martini: A few lookers, but most girls with mobile phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other.

Streetwalkers: Didn't look for it, but observed some action in the park around what Phnom at daytime.

Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.

Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.

None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off to. Avoid this place.

My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.

If nobody enlightens me, I will stay away in the future.

For the most part, I agree with your comments on the clubs, and you did well to avoid the streetwalkers. I am surprised at your comments on the California 2. I have not been yet, but the original had a good reputation, as does the owner. If the customers were yelling comments, then they were out of line and immature. Unfortunately, that is an accurate description of several expats in Phnom Penh, including some but by no means all who were regulars at the old Cali 2. The standard of rooms for the money in Cambodia is considerably lower than Pattaya, and somewhat lower than Bangkok. For the $25-$35 that I believe California 2 charges, you should get a reasonably attractive, clean, medium-sized room with comfortable, medium-quality furniture and a decent television and bathroom. It will NOT be the equivalent of a room at Pattaya Bay Resort or Sand Springs. If that is what you were expecting, I can see why you would be disappointed. Nowhere else in Southeast Asia has hotels that are as good for the money as what you may be used to in Pattaya, at least in the under $50 range.

Wendella
03-03-10, 05:06
Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.

Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.

None of the girls liked the comments, and the guys started to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off to. Avoid this place.



How long were you there, can I ask?

I revisited recently, had been there back in the heydey (1st time 2001) and its not what it used to be (but what place is?)... that said I had some luck at Martini and also at the bars on 136 street... 104 street is same deal. Circee Club is reliable tho there was only 1 girl there who was interesting to me (and she was always busy with another guy).

Now, about California 2, actually despite what Sharka mentioned, that IS a monger-oriented hotel -- it's GF and I've seen it mentioned often in threads like this one as the hotel of choice of at least some guys who are into this scene. Of the riverfront hotels, it is the one Ive seen mentioned most, and was probably the most mentioned place in the days before Flamingo opened. OK, 2nd most: walkabout has always been #1 most mentioned. But the point is that California 2 actually IS one of the places mongers would normally go to. Hopefully the owner is reading here and would act accordingly, namely to put those losers in their place for doing something like that to one of his paying guests. If he's ok with that, then we should all boycott his hotel. (btw: where was the owner at the time? Was he hanging out with those guys?)

Anyway, obviously the guys there are regulars in the scene. And they sound like total dicks. That is not what is normally referred to as the walk of shame, but more of one where you enter with a girl and STAFF give strange looks as you pass (usually because they know whats up, not cuz they recognize the girl)... normally they wouldn't be ridiculing you out loud, that's pretty extreme -- and for fellow mongers to do that, well... pretty lame. I have to say, I did witness more than the typical assenine behavior on the part of mongers there -- things along those same lines. Idiots trying their best to act like no-class idiots.

Phil Istine
03-03-10, 10:33
Don't understand all this cali2 crap.

I have been a regular there playing pool and drinking with the missus for a long time, many months.

I must have visited scores of times and have never seen or heard anything derogatory by the guys at the bar.

My missus is somewhat striking and I am an old bugger so if there were any smart arses I would have heard them.

It is an expat hangout as are other bars and I have never heard any comments passed anywhere that I have been.

I have a mate staying there at the moment and I will gauge his feedback later.

Everything is expensive in Cambodia especially electricity so room prices reflect this.

Jim is a good bloke and so is his manager and I don't believe that they would allow the bed manners alleged.

Suggest that some here may have an axe to grind.

Betong
03-03-10, 11:25
If the customers were yelling comments, then they were out of line and immature. Unfortunately, that is an accurate description of several expats in Phnom Penh, including some but by no means all who were regulars at the old Cali 2.Jim the owner is OK, but I quit even going to the bar at Cali 2 (the old one) because I just didn't care for his regulars. Sounds like things haven't improved at the new place.

For the $25-$35 that I believe California 2 charges, you should get a reasonably attractive, clean, medium-sized room with comfortable, medium-quality furniture and a decent television and bathroom.At some of the new guesthouses e. of the Central Market you can get a room like that for $15. Well, maybe a bit smaller, but perfectly clean and nice. I'm surprised more mongers don't use them.

Shadow6491
03-03-10, 11:38
Well I was one of the regulars at the old Cali2 and I dont no what
Sharky is talking about because the new Cali2 is much more upmarket and has a very nice decor. A lot of the old regulars dont hang out there any more as it is just a little bit out of the way and the sidewalk traffic not as interesting to look at. Nor does it have a veiw of the river from the street level.

But the interior is very nice and the staff are excellent. Mostly upmarket backpakers stay there and a few mongers.

Simian
03-03-10, 16:18
How long were you there, can I ask?

I revisited recently, had been there back in the heydey (1st time 2001) and its not what it used to be (but what place is?)... that said I had some luck at Martini and also at the bars on 136 street... 104 street is same deal. Circee Club is reliable tho there was only 1 girl there who was interesting to me (and she was always busy with another guy).

Now, about California 2, actually despite what Sharka mentioned, that IS a monger-oriented hotel -- it's GF and I've seen it mentioned often in threads like this one as the hotel of choice of at least some guys who are into this scene. Of the riverfront hotels, it is the one Ive seen mentioned most, and was probably the most mentioned place in the days before Flamingo opened. OK, 2nd most: walkabout has always been #1 most mentioned. But the point is that California 2 actually IS one of the places mongers would normally go to. Hopefully the owner is reading here and would act accordingly, namely to put those losers in their place for doing something like that to one of his paying guests. If he's ok with that, then we should all boycott his hotel. (btw: where was the owner at the time? Was he hanging out with those guys?)

Anyway, obviously the guys there are regulars in the scene. And they sound like total dicks. That is not what is normally referred to as the walk of shame, but more of one where you enter with a girl and STAFF give strange looks as you pass (usually because they know whats up, not cuz they recognize the girl)... normally they wouldn't be ridiculing you out loud, that's pretty extreme -- and for fellow mongers to do that, well... pretty lame. I have to say, I did witness more than the typical assenine behavior on the part of mongers there -- things along those same lines. Idiots trying their best to act like no-class idiots.

To me the walk of shame was always in those hotels with reception areas with lots of foreign tourists. Dragging back some bar girl to a place like that, you would get looks from the tourists - and there is always the risk that some foreign person who knows you/your family/your employment or whatever and makes trouble for you.

I remember the old Cali 2 and I know the new Cali 2 well and although it has changed in terms of price and quality, Wendella is perfectly correct - it is still a very monger friendly guest house - I stayed there several times over the past few months and enjoyed the monger friendliness, such as the in room safe to put all your stuff.

I am surprised that you got this reaction but then the Cali 2 is also a bar that stays open 24 hours. This means that in the wee hours it attracts all sorts of drunks who need more drink or food. And you never know what the cat dragged in with those guys. I doubt that the owner can do much about this kind of behavior as he cannot be present the whole night. I have never had this comment in Cali 2 but I have encountered some very drunk people with issues in the bar late at night.

On the very rare occasion I get this kind of comment elsewhere, I sometimes say to the person making the comment - "don't worry, I'll give you the chance to have sloppy seconds." Or you could pretend that it is your wife they are talking about but that is harder to carry off.

But look at the reality of the situation. Remember that you are about to have some fun with a good looking girl (hopefully!) while the best these guys are able to do is to make comments. I don't know whether it is just me but which would you prefer to be doing, guys - making comments to or about someone else's girl or getting down to business!

Sharka
03-04-10, 01:34
Well I was one of the regulars at the old Cali2 and I dont no what
Sharky is talking about because the new Cali2 is much more upmarket and has a very nice decor. .


Hmm, did someone mistaken me for someone else ??? or misinterpret my post below #2474

I did say I never stayed at the California2 so can't comment on this place
(again see below post #2474).
I only gave advise to generally avoid the small family guesthouses not because they won't you in with the ladies but because they lock the doors and keep everyone out (including you), as you have to sometimes wait 10-15mins before someone inside wakes up and unlock (sometimes unchain) the doors to let you in-- and this always kills the mood with a lady in tow.

Shark

Wendella
03-04-10, 04:59
Hmm, did someone mistaken me for someone else ???

Yes I think he referred to you as Sharky. ;)

In your post, it didnt seem as if you were aware that Cali2 was a monger-oriented hotel, that's all.

Yeah I've also dealt with that annoying guesthouse scenario where you have to wake someone up to let you in, wait a long time for them to do whatever (find the keys, put on shorts, have a snack, take a little nap again, get up, find keys again, etc etc.) before finally opening the door, and then acting annoyed for having to do it... ugh. Tho I experienced that much more in Vietnam than in Cambodia. Worst of all is after you go through all that and then they say, finally, "she can not come in". Oh ok, I guess I'll just go... find another hotel now.... at .... 3am.

Wendella
03-04-10, 05:01
To me the walk of shame was always in those hotels with reception areas with lots of foreign tourists.
True, that's another version, even more painful/embarrassing than the one I said. At least with the staff you know its something they experience every day. With the tourists, the expression of shock is real. Tho I tend to arrive late in the night when families and other sensitive types aren't still lounging around the lobby.

Shadow6491
03-04-10, 10:42
Sorry Sharka I was wrong on both counts your handle for one and who made the post. It was the post below yours I was reading while looking at your name or maybe it was the quote inside your post.

Nerdynomad
03-04-10, 12:41
At some of the new guesthouses e. of the Central Market you can get a room like that for $15. Well, maybe a bit smaller, but perfectly clean and nice. I'm surprised more mongers don't use them.There are a few on the riverfront too, Mekong Palace has always been good to me but I think recently they stuck a few new pillows and throws on the beds and increased the price by a few dollars for it.

Wendella
03-05-10, 06:42
Dara Riang Sey is on street 118 just 2 blocks from the river. $15 for a good sized room, good cable tv (tho the tiniest tv's you're likely to find at any hotel on planet earth). Completely GF.

Indochine is one block over, another some like a lot (tho for me it feels a bit rougher and more cramped than DRS)

DRS is about midway between Sharky (southwest of it, 1 down and 2 over) and St 104 (a few blocks due north), also really close to St 136 bars, and of course the riverfront. Actually, if you head to the river, there are 2 restaurants serving breakfast right at Sisowath Quay (riverfront) and St 118. The one on the north corner has all you can eat breakfast buffet, which included eggs, toast, rice and some pastries but no meats -- coffee or tea, plus juice. Price $3. But the juice tasted like it was made from powder mix, very weak too. And the food had that taste and look of being left out too long. The next day I tried the $2.75 American breakfast at the place on the south corner. Not buffet. This was more like it. Eggs, bacon and toast (which they were happy to replace with croissant -- and it was a really nice one too, moist/buttery and real French style). Can't remember the name of the place but... skip the buffet on the north side, go for the BF special on the south side.

Betong
03-05-10, 07:40
Indochine is one block over, another some like a lot (tho for me it feels a bit rougher and more cramped than DRS)Agreed -- one night at Indochine was enough for me.

$15 seems like the standard rate for a good clean a/c cable-TV etc. room at most of the newer hotels in PP that describe themselves as "guesthouses". Upcountry it's usually about $12 now.

My favorite brekkie in PP used to be at Open Wine -- does anyone know if they still do it? I liked it even better than the posh buffet at Le Royale!

Backtobasics
03-05-10, 10:25
Does anyone have any idea how much a bar girl in PP would earn in a month? After a bar fine, how much of a cut of how much they get from a 'customer' would the bar manager want?

Nerdynomad
03-05-10, 11:35
Does anyone have any idea how much a bar girl in PP would earn in a month? After a bar fine, how much of a cut of how much they get from a 'customer' would the bar manager want?The bar will only get money from what happens in the bar, drinks, lady drinks and barfine. They take all or most of the bar fine, what the girl gets from a customer after the bar fine is between them, nothing to do with the bar. They may give moto/tuk tuk a tip if they "delivered" you.

I guess the income depends on business and their looks. $300 might be an average month, $500 a good month. I've only ever asked one girl and that is what I was told. That's not counting and sponsorship if they have any.

Interested to hear if others give different estimates.

Run Mann
03-05-10, 14:40
Does anyone have any idea how much a bar girl in PP would earn in a month? After a bar fine, how much of a cut of how much they get from a 'customer' would the bar manager want?

The BF is paid to the bar and whatever she charges her customers should go to her so 'how much she earns' would obviously depend on the number of customers she got. What is the purpose of your question?

Backtobasics
03-05-10, 21:55
What is the purpose of your question?

I am pondering sending a little $ to help someone get the minimum education they need to be able to get out of the business ~ basically become literate enough to be employable doing something else. Of course I know this hardly, if ever, really happens, as the $ can never be equalled, and if earning enough to support siblings is someone's goal in life, they are hardly going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Yes, I know common sense should tell me to just forget it.

Backtobasics
03-05-10, 22:31
$300 might be an average month, $500 a good month. I've only ever asked one girl and that is what I was told. That's not counting and sponsorship if they have any.

Of course those numbers depend on the girl/bar/clientele, but I am surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) that a non 'freelancer' could make so much. Compared to working back in the fields, or in a factory, that's a humungous amount.

Naturally, I know zilch compared to someone living in-country, but I read recently that people representing factory workers are seeking a raise in minimum monthly pay from around $50 to around $90. However 'cheap' Cambo seems to tourists, I suspect prices for everything bar food and transport are skyrocketing for people trying to survive, and support an extended family.

Run Mann
03-06-10, 03:12
I am pondering sending a little $ to help someone get the minimum education they need to be able to get out of the business ~ basically become literate enough to be employable doing something else..
It's your money and you are free to do as you obviously please. However, the results of philanthropy may be more measurable by sending the $ directly to the institution/school as opposed to sending it directly to 'that someone' who may or may not use the $ as you intended it to be used, just a thought.

Wendella
03-06-10, 05:21
Actually, by telling your girl that idea, that you want to pay the money directly to the school - if she balked at that, it would be a pretty big red flag on the whole situation.

If you are out of the country, how will you be able to check and make sure she isn't still working?

This is actually a classic scenario, and your girl might be telling the truth, but another truth is that this kind of thing is often done more as a way to make extra money -- basically, they play a good story as to why you should send some money, but it's just that, a story intended to get you to send money. They don't quit the bar, never had any intentoin to, and of course don't go sign up for any school.

p.s. There was a post a few months back of a guy who was out of the country and about to return, wanted expats here to check in on her to make sure she wasn't on the game, as she was telling him. They did. She was. Friend of one of the members here had even taken her home in the previous week, if I remember right.

Backtobasics
03-06-10, 05:49
Actually, by telling your girl that idea, that you want to pay the money directly to the school - if she balked at that, it would be a pretty big red flag on the whole situation.

If you are out of the country, how will you be able to check and make sure she isn't still working?

This is actually a classic scenario, and your girl might be telling the truth, but another truth is that this kind of thing is often done more as a way to make extra money -- basically, they play a good story as to why you should send some money, but it's just that, a story intended to get you to send money. They don't quit the bar, never had any intentoin to, and of course don't go sign up for any school.

I hear you all the way, and you are probably right. But she never asked for anything at all. Didn't voluntarily tell me her life story - teased it out of her. She also has no idea that I want to help.

I am trying to get hold of Mam Somaly, on the ground in PP, to help me through this soup.

Yes, I know, I know. I am just another poor fool ..

http://www.somaly.org/

edit: found the local link in Cambodia: http://www.afesip.org/
Of course I do see the hypocrisy of posting these links in a mongering forum!

Benjamin Be
03-06-10, 17:18
I hear you all the way, and you are probably right. But she never asked for anything at all. Didn't voluntarily tell me her life story - teased it out of her. She also has no idea that I want to help.

I am trying to get hold of Mam Somaly, on the ground in PP, to help me through this soup.

Yes, I know, I know. I am just another poor fool ..

http://www.somaly.org/

edit: found the local link in Cambodia: http://www.afesip.org/
Of course I do see the hypocrisy of posting these links in a mongering forum!I have a little story to tell, last nov after a session with two girls at Somaly, I was told they hadn't eaten anything whole day, that was 9:30pm so I took them both to a corner shop to eat, I do believe them by watching the way they eating, they are even more happier than I gave them tips, the meal costs me 5 dollars and I was very glad to see their happy face after the meal and feel more satisfied than the sex that I had few moment ago.

My point is sometimes so call common sense will not lead you anywhere, do what you feel like as far as not damage yourself too much, giving without any expecting and you will never find the truth any way, so why bother?

Titanio
03-07-10, 00:31
My 1. St trip to Cambodia.

Stayed at California2, crappy place, if this reflects standard of lodging in PP the price level must be the double of Thailand.

Always wondered about the guys at this site that mentions the "walk of shame". 1. St time I understood them was at California2, every time I brought a girl to the room a group of guys in the bar made comments to the girls like: nice to see you again, Hi back again already or have you moved here now.

My conclusion is either is Cambodia "over the hill" or I did not find the right places.Try Tonlesap guesthouse in Street 104 on your next visit. All nice refurbished rooms and no walk of shame. And definitely no guys at the bar welcoming your girl. And this guesthouse is part of the Pickled Parrot bar & restaurant that's ope 24/7!

Phil Istine
03-07-10, 04:19
Look, cali2 is not a monger orientated hotel at all in my humble opinion.

I have spent a lot of time there and most guests are not mongers, many older straight couples stay there.

The bar is a hangout for all sorts of local characters as well as free lancers and also restaurant girls on a night out.

As for girls and their incomes-hmm.

Wages in the bar are $60 to $80 a month and a dollar a lady drink to the girl, no share of the barfine I believe.

$300 would be a very good month but better looking, more popular girls can earn up to $500.

Pretty girls can have many sponsors and make hundreds of dollars a month without working hard.

Girls at LCC and mikado don't get a wage and many are penniless.

Cambodia is not a cheap country that is why everyone is corrupt.

Breakfast in the market can be a dollar, a moto to and from work is up to two dollars a day, so there $90 gone before paying for the room, power, water, phone cards etc etc.

They live up to five or six a room and a cheap room is $50 and they are hard to come by.

Many bar girls are looking for a way out, many Cambodians study after hours.

They study computers and english mostly, one sees security guards and hotel staff studying often.

If one can afford to send money then send it but don't have stars in your eyes.

Cambodians always have their hand out, the national flag should have an extended hand with the palm up as the national symbol.

Backtobasics
03-07-10, 07:03
Thanks. Helps puts things into perspective.

LCC and Mikado seem to be the lowest rung of the barang bar ladder. Girls there seemed to have the roughest lives, and I doubt if either place brings in much income to the owners for drinks. Not a lot of drinking going down there ....

I think the girls get $15 of the $20, but are lucky to get a customer a day, if that.


Look, cali2 is not a monger orientated hotel at all in my humble opinion.

I have spent a lot of time there and most guests are not mongers, many older straight couples stay there.

The bar is a hangout for all sorts of local characters as well as free lancers and also restaurant girls on a night out.

As for girls and their incomes-hmm.

Wages in the bar are $60 to $80 a month and a dollar a lady drink to the girl, no share of the barfine I believe.

$300 would be a very good month but better looking, more popular girls can earn up to $500.

Pretty girls can have many sponsors and make hundreds of dollars a month without working hard.

Girls at LCC and mikado don't get a wage and many are penniless.

Cambodia is not a cheap country that is why everyone is corrupt.

Breakfast in the market can be a dollar, a moto to and from work is up to two dollars a day, so there $90 gone before paying for the room, power, water, phone cards etc etc.

They live up to five or six a room and a cheap room is $50 and they are hard to come by.

Many bar girls are looking for a way out, many Cambodians study after hours.

They study computers and english mostly, one sees security guards and hotel staff studying often.

If one can afford to send money then send it but don't have stars in your eyes.

Cambodians always have their hand out, the national flag should have an extended hand with the palm up as the national symbol.

Jan 156
03-07-10, 09:18
Cambodians always have their hand out, the national flag should have an extended hand with the palm up as the national symbol.
Sadly I find that to be true and their least endearing (if understandable) trait. (As far as I can gather, it was not like that before Pol Pot, so you *could* say perhaps that we owe them.) Compare Kampuchea, say, with Brasil, where the poorest favela kid still exudes a great sense if pride. Khmers have so often lost what it is to be human.* Their sense of pride is linked to the ancient monuments - the only thing that has survived. And their faith sees them through a lot of hardship (look at Filipinos, who are poor but have suffered less, and can be quite miserable sods). Preah Vihear can be quite instructive - I see now why they are so uptight about the Thais trying to screw them again over it.

*And yet in another sense they can teach us this very thing - for they know what it is like to be human and no more, whereas it can be very hard for the average Westerner to define him/herself except in terms of material things. In this way, perhaps we need them as much as they need us, or more.



Contrary to popular opinion though, I still wouldn't rate Kampuchea as the shagfest capital of SE Asia. Which is why this board is so helpful - just on the simple matter of getting laid. ;)

Wendella
03-07-10, 09:26
Look, cali2 is not a monger orientated hotel at all in my humble opinion.

Yeah I admit I have no idea really, only mentioned it cuz I saw it listed often in mongering threads like these as a recommended place to go, esp if you wanted to be on the riverfront, and mostly in the days before Flamingo became the popular favorite mongerer hotel. I never did stay there. I did go check out their old location but ended up staying elsewhere (really didnt like the rooms layout, that whole no-window thing, esp when you're paying riverfront higher prices). 2 blocks off the river and prices are half, and the rooms all have windows.

Sharka
03-09-10, 00:14
Contrary to popular opinion though, I still wouldn't rate Kampuchea as the shagfest capital of SE Asia. Which is why this board is so helpful - just on the simple matter of getting laid. ;)


Agree as I also don't find Cambo to be on the top of my list for shagging (but still is one of the cheapest places for a simple shag though).
Having said that, I would still rate Cambo a better place for FS shagging than Vietnam (don't mean to offend anyone of you guys that are ex-pats in Viet) but I did a brief several days tour of Vietnam and it was extremely difficult for a FS shag and the ones that will do FS are very expensive and forget about all my hotels I stayed in Viet as they were definitely NOT GF. And don't even get me started on all the rip off FL on motobikes there. Not the easiest place to get laid, a handjob-yes, getting laid-NO.

Shark

Mik Hcmc
03-09-10, 04:50
Having said that, I would still rate Cambo a better place for FS shagging than Vietnam (don't mean to offend anyone of you guys that are ex-pats in Viet) but I did a brief several days tour of Vietnam and it was extremely difficult for a FS shag and the ones that will do FS are very expensive and forget about all my hotels I stayed in Viet as they were definitely NOT GF. And don't even get me started on all the rip off FL on motobikes there. Not the easiest place to get laid, a handjob-yes, getting laid-NO.

Shark

Agreed 100% with you there mate, I've been living in Saigon for over 2yrs now and its just a headfuck trying to get laid, unless you know where to go.
Now I just stick to a couple "barber shops" where I know I'll have a great time, safer and cheaper than the girls from the girly bars in the city.

The 2 times I've been to PP I've had no problems getting laid, Reminds me of TLD more than VN regarding how open it is (for mongering)

GreenBud
03-13-10, 11:14
I was in Cambodia last month.

If you like lesbian shows, these 2 bars are great. But some of these girls have been around since I first started coming here around 2001.

Le Crycee: The girls want $20. Plus the bar fine (can't remember amount). I use the upstair rooms. Because NGO problems, only known customeers and their guests are allowed to use the upstair rooms (Previously the owner changed the beds to couches; now he put back the beds). The cost will be $20 for the girl; $5 for the room; and the mandatory $3 ladies drink. The girl pays $5 to the bar and she gets $1 for the drink. Hence she gets $16 for the hour (actually it is 50 minutes at the most; the professional hour).

Remember the good old days when the girls were $10 each including the rooms.

Solomon: The girls want $20 plus $5 for the room next door at Samoly guest house. Actually it is $25. For 2 girls, they still want $25 a piece. I recommend the room with the mirrors on top and on the sides; I like watching. But look at the sheets first; sometimes it looks disgusting; maybe used. If so, ask for another room. The girls get slightly more here than at Le Crycee.

Heard owner Dave got out of jail. Heard he had to pay $20K or $30K. Named was changed from Mikado because of his past legal problems. Before he went to jail, I saw the Mikado video on the internet, and I instantaneously recognized it. LOL!

Not sure if you can negotiate with the above prices. I know from several years ago as they were raising prices, the girls decided that they wouldn't accept less than the stated prices. But I usually pick the cutest girls there. I am assuming you can negotiate with the older and fatter ones.

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Member #3439
03-14-10, 16:47
Gents,

Hello, I am pp from the Brasil and Japan forums. I am over in Tokyo area for an extended stay and and thinking of a visit to your fair city at the beginning of April, PP, with a three day excursion to Siem Reap for Angkor. I've been RTFF and see a whole bunch of negative comments going way back about refusal of yum-yum in PP and wondering what the general perception is regarding GFE with CIM finish. If I go over to Solomon and these places, where the girls are apparently in a hardship situation, what is my probability of getting a BBBJ finish? I ask only because this is important to me, as I have a hard time getting off in a rubber or by HJ. This is the first country where I've percieved a general problem with CIM...even in Japan where they hate foreigners I usually find a BBBJ finish...is it a cultural issue in Cambo, religious, or ?? Am I going be okay? You guys are hardcore and have me a little frightened..what is going on with these girls that are supposedly starving but aren't giving GFE at any price?

TIA

-pp

Jan 156
03-14-10, 17:05
Gents,

Hello, I am pp from the Brasil and Japan forums. I am over in Tokyo area for an extended stay and and thinking of a visit to your fair city at the beginning of April, PP, with a three day excursion to Siem Reap for Angkor. I've been RTFF and see a whole bunch of negative comments going way back about refusal of yum-yum in PP and wondering what the general perception is regarding GFE with CIM finish. If I go over to Solomon and these places, where the girls are apparently in a hardship situation, what is my probability of getting a BBBJ finish? I ask only because this is important to me, as I have a hard time getting off in a rubber or by HJ. This is the first country where I've percieved a general problem with CIM...even in Japan where they hate foreigners I usually find a BBBJ finish...is it a cultural issue in Cambo, religious, or ?? Am I going be okay? You guys are hardcore and have me a little frightened..what is going on with these girls that are supposedly starving but aren't giving GFE at any price?

TIA

-pp
Hiya PP. Cambo is a bit uneducated IMO compared to Brasil, but a very special country. Culturally, mostly I understand women are expected to be virgins when they marry. The best results I have had have been by pushing the buttons. eg I saw a girl who was the best looker in the joint. She is quite keen but no BBBJ. We finish a little early as it is closing time. I see here again and she is quite routine. So I next time I buy her a drink, smile sweetly, say she understands how I like other women, and book her friend. Next time, I book her *and* her friend. Boy, was she keen to work her socks off that time!

Of PP & SR, PP has lots or P4P but SR is a beautiful city, the nicest in Cambo, and more history than the rest of Asia put together pretty well. I go there for that, don't expect anything miraculous on the p4p scene, needs are attended to, and sometimes one strikes lucky. Be kind. Just don't expect anything like Brasil lol! :)

Asianpussylover
03-14-10, 23:10
Hey puta, if you really want yum yum go to Soi 6 in Pattaya, Thailand. Just about every bar on the soi offers yum yum action. There is one bar, (I think it is called lips, can't remember for sure), that you go into, order a beer and the minute you sit down some honey comes by, unzips your fly and gives you a taste of paradise. So be warned, if you are squeamish about getting blown in public. There used to be something like this in Phnom Penh called Sophies. But thanks to some $%#! The place was closed down. So now there is nothing like it anywhere in Cambo. But who knows, maybe some day someone will open up a copy cat. By the way, the girl's at somaly do give BBBJ. Not my cup of tea, but it available for you if you want.

Sharka
03-15-10, 23:59
Gents,

what is my probability of getting a BBBJ finish? I ask only because this is important to me, as I have a hard time getting off in a rubber or by HJ.

-pp


Didn't think about this matter until I read this post, Now I remember why I miss Sophies so much when it was still open.

Shark

Randy Rooster
03-16-10, 06:01
Didn't think about this matter until I read this post, Now I remember why I miss Sophies so much when it was still open.

SharkWhere else can you get "samples" for a buck. The NGO that blew the whistle on Sophies should get his nuts cut off.

The Khmer girls in general are not too keen for CIM but the Viets are more accommodating. That is a very general statement though.

RR

Betong
03-16-10, 16:40
Where else can you get "samples" for a buck.The so-called 'free samples' that you got whether you wanted or not, and then each girl would demand a dollar. I had some good times in the back room but by the end they were getting way too aggressive and obnoxious at the bar. Too many new guys let them get away with it.

Lots of samples available in Pattaya at places like My Friend You, and nobody demands anything or gets upset if you don't spring for the full job.

Member #4491
03-17-10, 01:23
Hello!

I am a great fan of listening to all kind of music. On of the styles I enjoy every now and then is Cambodian Rock from the late 60s and early 70s. Artists like Ros Serey Sothea / Ros Sereysothea (the queen of Cambodian Rock imho) and Sinn Sisamouth are good examples of what I mean.

Since I will have a few days in PP in April I would be super grateful for any advice on where/if I can enjoy this kind of music somewhere in PP. Optimal would be a bar packed with females and this music on the sound system, but any place will do.

Thank you!

Barba

Jan 156
03-17-10, 03:52
If you call having your nuts fondled and your dick massaged through your pants for twenty minutes by several girls a free sample, then Blue Wave in SR still does quite well. One of the most un-pushy bars I know.

Admittedly you might be asked if you want to spring $2 to buy yourself a coca cola eventually.

Betong
03-17-10, 06:46
Since I will have a few days in PP in April I would be super grateful for any advice on where/if I can enjoy this kind of music somewhere in PP.Try asking on the Khmer 440 forum. It's mainly PP-based expats, and some of them are really into this music too.

Shadow6491
03-17-10, 10:01
I was in Cambodia last month.

If you like lesbian shows, these 2 bars are great. But some of these girls have been around since I first started coming here around 2001.

Le Crycee: The girls want $20. Plus the bar fine (can't remember amount). I use the upstair rooms. Because NGO problems, only known customeers and their guests are allowed to use the upstair rooms (Previously the owner changed the beds to couches; now he put back the beds). The cost will be $20 for the girl; $5 for the room; and the mandatory $3 ladies drink. The girl pays $5 to the bar and she gets $1 for the drink. Hence she gets $16 for the hour (actually it is 50 minutes at the most; the professional hour).

Remember the good old days when the girls were $10 each including the rooms.

Solomon: The girls want $20 plus $5 for the room next door at Samoly guest house. Actually it is $25. For 2 girls, they still want $25 a piece. I recommend the room with the mirrors on top and on the sides; I like watching. But look at the sheets first; sometimes it looks disgusting; maybe used. If so, ask for another room. The girls get slightly more here than at Le Crycee.

Heard owner Dave got out of jail. Heard he had to pay $20K or $30K. Named was changed from Mikado because of his past legal problems. Before he went to jail, I saw the Mikado video on the internet, and I instantaneously recognized it. LOL!

Not sure if you can negotiate with the above prices. I know from several years ago as they were raising prices, the girls decided that they wouldn't accept less than the stated prices. But I usually pick the cutest girls there. I am assuming you can negotiate with the older and fatter ones.

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Been there quite a few times in the last few months I have only had to pay the $20 which includes the room. On all occasions though I took 2 girls maybe they just cut $2 or $3 each from there $20 to pay for the room.