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Best01
11-29-10, 12:10
I've been in PP every 3 months in the last year. But I think the quality of the girls is low (except for one vietnamese I met lately.)!

I'd like to try some "different" places. Someone can send to me a PM with some good advices?

Thanks

Methos
11-30-10, 02:24
I got a cheap flight from Bangkok to Phnom Penh on Air Asia. I think it ended up about $70 or $75 USD each way after all their nickel & dime charges.

I read a great explanation of how to go overland by bus and taxi from Bangkok to Siem Reap within the last couple of pages on here. If I'd read it before booking the flight I might have gone that route.

Bigce
11-30-10, 07:02
Does anyone have any info on full service massage parlours in PP. I need directions from Flamingos.

AdHome01
11-30-10, 15:23
Wendella, to the best of my knowledge, you really need a Cambodian friend or business associate--or the rare westerner who has been often enough to know his way around and be accepted--to go to the places you are talking about. I'd email Saran (his contact info is in the classified section). He should know all the spots in PP. Last time I was with him he took me to some out of the way places 10 or 15 minutes outside PP. If you're adventurous and looking for cheap fun, have him take you there.

Sammon
11-30-10, 16:50
editor's note: this report was deleted in accordance with the forum's policy prohibiting any references to any persons under the age of 18. this action is in no way a reflection of the merits of the author's comments.

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.

please do not post information about or references to **** persons in the forum. please read the forum's posting guidelines for further information. thanks!

Iching
11-30-10, 19:52
I'd email Saran (his contact info is in the classified section). He should know all the spots in PP. Last time I was with him he took me to some out of the way places 10 or 15 minutes outside PP. If you're adventurous and looking for cheap fun, have him take you there.You just need a willing taxi driver to take you to an out of the way place. Some don't know these places. Some will only take you to places where they get a commission and some won't go there because they just don't get it. [the mongering scene that is]

Kuranyi
12-01-10, 13:53
Been to heart of darkness yesterday and took a 21 year old from ghana out there. Never thought I would meet a black hooker in Cambodia.

ST was 25$. Did I overpay? Wasnt sure about hear of darkness prices and the exotic bonus. Performance was so so. No BJ but body was fine.

Iching
12-01-10, 17:46
editor's note: this report was deleted in accordance with the forum's policy prohibiting any references to any persons under the age of 18. this action is in no way a reflection of the merits of the author's comments.

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.

please do not post information about or references to **** persons in the forum. please read the forum's posting guidelines for further information. thanks!

Phil Istine
12-02-10, 10:27
Not happy about members recommending local taxi drivers offering to take people to out of the way places.

This only means one thing to me and the deletions show the evidence I believe.

There has been a problem here before with a taxi driver who was later jailed in Phnom Penh.

I would suggest that visitors stick with the tried and true venues and if possible find a khmer to take one to the KTVs where the most beautiful girls are.

If not happy with this then avoid Cambodia and do us locals a favour-we don't need any more bad publicity.

Iching
12-02-10, 18:08
Been to heart of darkness yesterday and took a 21 year old from ghana out there. Never thought I would meet a black hooker in Cambodia.

ST was 25$. Did I overpay? Wasnt sure about hear of darkness prices and the exotic bonus. Performance was so so. No BJ but body was fine.The reason I go to SE asia is to be with SE asian woman, if I wanted to go with a black woman I would go to Africa.

Wendella
12-03-10, 08:01
The reason I go to SE asia is to be with SE asian woman, if I wanted to go with a black woman I would go to Africa.

Noted. Variety is the spice of life, for some. Others prefer the same steady diet. I think everything will probably work out ok if once in awhile somebody goes back with the black girl, no?

Wendella
12-03-10, 08:04
Not happy about members recommending local taxi drivers offering to take people to out of the way places.

Weird thing was how we were talking about something totally different and somehow it got turned around by the person who was supposedly upset, who seemed to think my original question about top-end expensive places for hotties was somehow about low-end cheap places for whatever he had on his mind.

GreenBud
12-03-10, 13:36
OK, thanks Hippie. If anyone else knows of a different airline (other than Bangkok Air) that has a cheaper flight from Chiang Mai to Phnom Penh, kindly let me know! Thanks!

It probably will be cheaper (especially if you buy early and get the special promo price) to buy 2 tickets on Air Asia. Chiang Mai to Bangkok and then Bangkok to Phnom Penh. Since there are many flights from Chiang Mai to Bangkok, you can do this route in one day.

Marrow
12-03-10, 21:35
thanks for the quick replies....

marrow: i'm not sure you understood what i meant. i did not mean "free" girls, but freelancers, very different. fl are girls you can meet in a place like martini, where they work as "independent contractors." :)
this as opposed to a place like cyrcee or candybar where they are all on staff of the bar. so i'm not young and handsome and rich and therefore don't even consider going for real non-working girl pickups, if that is what you mean. by "variety" i do not mean variety of sexual activities, but variety of girls to choose from -- a huge choice of girls all in one place is best for me. i like to be picky. but in the last part of your post you seem to talk about girls working with drivers. this might be interesting, if they really were the cutest ones available and surely better than ones available in other places. how can a guy connect with that? the main problem with this type of approach is that you can't see a girl until she shows up, and only one can show up at a time. i hate to "choose" that way. i prefer multiple choice to yes/no questions. ;)

will robinson*: i've been to paris and did not manage to spot something worth going for. it's a fishbowl massage place. takeout available there? when i looked, a few years ago, it wasn't a great selection of girls in the tank. i left without choosing one.

* i assume you are not dr. smith or you wouldn't be here.
eww haha. nono , i was talking about freelancers. the free girls, lol.
the good look and pocket loaded was meant if you was looking for high quality girls, hanging around a club like a boss picking one of the awesome girls available. forget it haha. :d
but seems i misunderstood, u was meaning a place with a lot of girls to choose about, nothing more, just not a dirty chiken farm, i suppose.
a sorta of martini but high class.
for what i can tell you, time is changed. so basically, u "could" find this kind of places, but actually are for locals,
10000 riels to 40000 riels for young and cute.
for you, from 5 to 15$ on-site, double on your room. mostly loaded of vietnamese, low quality. typical "good chicken farm" , club for locals.
a place like this but with high quality, for foreigners, with the crackdown, don't exists anymore.
and if someone remember one, be sure is closed, or will be next days.
the hope of this crackdown is to put an end on prostitution in asia. i laugh a lot every time i think how could be possible, but it's an other story.
surely this crackdown, spreading around in s/e asia is scary, true, and fast. by the way, if you consider how much money a prostitute makes,
why in the hell she would stop this life? if a place is raided, the only thing happens is the awesome girls escape on other cities, local places.
so, randomly, hanging around, u meet a jewel, unexpected. her past, is surely from one of this "high level" places, now close.
say thanks to the idiots hanging around everywhere on s/e asia still thinking to change the life of a prostitute, like if she was barely thinking to do it,
with a bank account loaded of money for the rest of her life and all her family. ye, pal, sorry but it's true.
don't trust when a prostitute start the sad story of "my family is poor" and "i need money and your support".
she has enough money for buy a bmw m3, pal, and spit you from the driver seat waving with her left hand xd .
99.9% of fl in cambodia are rich as hell, hehe

about a cambodian driver, it's a dream. pure luck to meet a serious driver understand what means
"beautiful, boom boom , young and beautiful, i want to choose"
not considering the driver thinking you want an ****, pointless topic, i don't understand why people was talking about this, but surely a risk when u mention young and beautiful.
over all, if and when you find one, funnily he will bring you to a place where you will have a choice, yes, but of the ugliest. why, u ask?
because of this crackdown, so scared to lose their precious place where locals go to fuck happily, with awesome girls. no barangs, not welcome.
at all. papasan / mamasan could kick you out, seriously. or made you suggest from someone speaks in english is better if you leave.. well do it..
and if allowed, you have to pay much, much more than the real price for locals. speaking khmer, i can tell you, the experience is quite different.
can you speak perfectly this language? if the answer is no, buy a rabbit tail, lol.
i apologize if my post was confused, i tried to suggest a place , thailand, with variety and high quality , without all this boring troubles,
i was sure you was pointing to a good experience, not limited to cambodia, where time is changed.
cheers, bud!

p.s. who the hell is dr. smith? o.o

Alien Sake
12-04-10, 04:02
Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?

Wendella
12-04-10, 14:30
Eww haha.

p.s. Who the hell is Dr. Smith? O.o

OK I think I understand. Maybe not possible. Foreigners can only get the leftover crumbs these days. Not good. I have no interest in those cheap brothels, that is just depressing, and never see really hot girls in those places.

When I mentioned "Dr. Smith" that was a joke -- the member signed off "Will Robinson" and his nick includes "LostInSpace" -- that was a bad science fiction tv show in the US in the 1960s, Will Robinson was the young son who was usually the main character in the story; Dr. Smith was the ship's scientist who often got caught up in these adventures, but the guy was a selfish dishonest cowardly type who seemed to be gay (but in those days no one would say that, but he sure seemed very girly). He would usually cry when he got caught by some alien. It was a pretty bad show, more in the style of a 1950s B-movie.

Member #4698
12-04-10, 15:59
"LostInSpace" was a [very, very] bad science fiction tv show in the US in the 1960s, Will Robinson was the young son who was usually the main character in the story; Dr. Smith was the ship's scientist who often got caught up in these adventures, but the guy was a selfish dishonest cowardly type who seemed to be gay.
In the quirky and very funny 1989 film, "Mystery Train" by Jim Jarmusch there is a character named Will Robinson (the bell hop I think) and whenever another character would visit the hotel he would say "danger, danger" and wave his arms in reference to the robot on "Lost in Space" that always delivered that line whenever aliens were near.

Funny movie. I guess Jarmusch like a lot of us were held captive of that show back in the 60's when there were only 3 channels and everything sucked most of the time. I hated "Lost in Space" but watched it anyway because that was the only thing on the air in that time slot.

Iching
12-04-10, 21:01
Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?The vietnamese in Cambodia can make more money there, It goes on in Vietnam but theres a lot of restrictrions, things like you can't take an escort to a hotel.

Sharka
12-04-10, 23:23
Been to heart of darkness yesterday and took a 21 year old from ghana out there. Never thought I would meet a black hooker in Cambodia.

ST was 25$. Did I overpay? Wasnt sure about hear of darkness prices and the exotic bonus. Performance was so so. No BJ but body was fine.


Yes, $25 for ST is overpaying. Unless this foreign woman was from a more western country then they will not settle for less but Ghana is still a 3rd world country to me so $25 is still too much.

Shark

Marrow
12-05-10, 03:20
The vietnamese in Cambodia can make more money there, It goes on in Vietnam but theres a lot of restrictrions, things like you can't take an escort to a hotel.Yep, they make much, much more. Not so easy have enough money for a Mercedes SLS AMG GT3, without hotels :D Not a joke, i really hope noone tough this freelancers with their funny sad story, are seriously poor, right? ;)

I just met recently a freelancer, old friend, 28 years, on this car hanging around. Guess where..

Methos
12-05-10, 09:58
The vietnamese in Cambodia can make more money there, It goes on in Vietnam but theres a lot of restrictrions, things like you can't take an escort to a hotel.

Based on my trip to Vietnam in February this year you can take a girl to your room - depending on the hotel. In the higher end places you cannot but in the cheaper, often very nice places you can. One place told me before 10pm was ok. ST is fine with me so that worked. They didn't even blink when I brought 2 girls up.

I've wondered about all the Vietnamese in Cambodia too. Most of the girls I've done since I've been here have been Viets. Again, in my very limited experience it is much easier here in all ways. I'm in Siem Reap now and I met a Viet FL who lives next door to my guesthouse. I can call her and she comes right over - I asked her to bring a friend next time. She said she thinks she can. I met another one in town not far from pub st early one evening. Maybe she'll bring the other one I met, hahaha.

Marrow
12-05-10, 19:02
Based on my trip to Vietnam in February this year you can take a girl to your room - depending on the hotel. In the higher end places you cannot but in the cheaper, often very nice places you can. One place told me before 10pm was ok. ST is fine with me so that worked. They didn't even blink when I brought 2 girls up.

I've wondered about all the Vietnamese in Cambodia too. Most of the girls I've done since I've been here have been Viets. Again, in my very limited experience it is much easier here in all ways. I'm in Siem Reap now and I met a Viet FL who lives next door to my guesthouse. I can call her and she comes right over - I asked her to bring a friend next time. She said she thinks she can. I met another one in town not far from pub st early one evening. Maybe she'll bring the other one I met, hahaha.There are raids, continuosly, in vietnam. And if the girl is caugh, go to jail. Nothing like this happens on cambodian hotels (Naga included) ;)

Shadow6491
12-05-10, 23:03
Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?

Vietnam Invaded Cambodia and effectively ruled the country for ten years. a lot of Vietnamese moved to Cambodia at this time. A lot of Vietnamese have been born in Cambodia since and lived there all of there lives.

AlLostInSpace13
12-06-10, 02:28
After reading good reports on the web about the 69 bar, I decided to try it last night.
At around 10pm I entered the door and discovered 2 male patrons inside surrounded by a dozen of hostess vultures - figuratively speaking. I was ready for some close combats...
As soon as I sat down, 3 hostesses engaged me and immediately gave me massages. One of them actually gave good massage, so encourage her to keep going. And after some time, I bought a round of drinks for them.
Pretty soon I spotted a cutie by the bar and I invited her over. By the time, the 2 men had left and I was the only guy in the establishment. She couldn't do a good massage, but I decided to keep her for takeout.
After a few more rounds of drinks, I asked her out but she said NO. What the fcuk?! Someone gave an explanation that she is having her period. I insisted and then heard another excuse that she's a virgin.
I thought that was my sign to cut the loss and paid the tab and ran. Damage was $37. More men had entered when I left...
I then crossed the street and checked out Candy bar. That bar is a dump. I saw a couple of lady boys as well. But fortunately I ran into a old girlfriend - Anna and so I took her out. 7 drinks altogether and barfine cost $30.
Anna took me to this disco that is around the corner of Walkabout called Saint Tropez (not sure if that's the real name, 'cause I only saw Khmer writing on the outside). Once inside I saw a few more cuties, but then it was too late to switch - not without ruining my little left reputation. But I will revisit that place very soon on my own. ;-)

Spaceman

Wendella
12-06-10, 11:08
I then crossed the street and checked out Candy bar. That bar is a dump. I saw a couple of lady boys as well.

I was there less than a year ago, it seemed about the same as all those other bars in the area in terms of quality -- what set it apart was that it just had far MORE girls than other places around there. I didn't spot any lady boys -- sure about that? Ladyboys aren't too big a thing in PP, as far as I know (but always ready to be re-educated if things have changed).

As for 69, that kind of thing is common on 136 St and 104 St from what I've heard. I experienced it once myself on St 104 -- very enthusiastic attention, up until the moment I asked the girl I was with about going to the hotel. She wasn't available. Definitely changes the mood of the evening when that happens, from happy to very annoying. Not a very smart game on their part, I bet a lot of customers lose it when they hear that, being a few drinks in the bag and all, when guys are more likely to think everything is a person affront.

But if you work it a bit, play it cool, you can get somewhere with some of these girls on 104 and 136. I did manage it before I left PP. I guess sometimes it will be easy, sometimes it will take some effort, and sometimes the door will be slammed in your face no matter what you do. Sounds like the stories you got were just stories, probably. More likely is that she's one who either doens't go with customers or else only goes with ones she knows. So an expat in other words, and not a tourist.

Sabretongue
12-06-10, 22:08
I was there less than a year ago, it seemed about the same as all those other bars in the area in terms of quality -- what set it apart was that it just had far MORE girls than other places around there. I didn't spot any lady boys -- sure about that? Ladyboys aren't too big a thing in PP, as far as I know (but always ready to be re-educated if things have changed).

As for 69, that kind of thing is common on 136 St and 104 St from what I've heard. I experienced it once myself on St 104 -- very enthusiastic attention, up until the moment I asked the girl I was with about going to the hotel. She wasn't available. Definitely changes the mood of the evening when that happens, from happy to very annoying. Not a very smart game on their part, I bet a lot of customers lose it when they hear that, being a few drinks in the bag and all, when guys are more likely to think everything is a person affront.

But if you work it a bit, play it cool, you can get somewhere with some of these girls on 104 and 136. I did manage it before I left PP. I guess sometimes it will be easy, sometimes it will take some effort, and sometimes the door will be slammed in your face no matter what you do. Sounds like the stories you got were just stories, probably. More likely is that she's one who either doens't go with customers or else only goes with ones she knows. So an expat in other words, and not a tourist.I think one of the issues is that a number of the girls in those bars are married or with a long-term boyfriend.

I've had the same experience and it really winds me up. I remember thinking to myself at the time, 'if they're not there to screw what the hell are they there for? That's the point of it being a girlie bar.'

It's a terrible feeling, not being able to get laid in a girlie bar, it gives one pause.

Sabretongue
12-06-10, 22:11
I was there less than a year ago, it seemed about the same as all those other bars in the area in terms of quality -- what set it apart was that it just had far MORE girls than other places around there. I didn't spot any lady boys -- sure about that? Ladyboys aren't too big a thing in PP, as far as I know (but always ready to be re-educated if things have changed).

As for 69, that kind of thing is common on 136 St and 104 St from what I've heard. I experienced it once myself on St 104 -- very enthusiastic attention, up until the moment I asked the girl I was with about going to the hotel. She wasn't available. Definitely changes the mood of the evening when that happens, from happy to very annoying. Not a very smart game on their part, I bet a lot of customers lose it when they hear that, being a few drinks in the bag and all, when guys are more likely to think everything is a person affront.

But if you work it a bit, play it cool, you can get somewhere with some of these girls on 104 and 136. I did manage it before I left PP. I guess sometimes it will be easy, sometimes it will take some effort, and sometimes the door will be slammed in your face no matter what you do. Sounds like the stories you got were just stories, probably. More likely is that she's one who either doens't go with customers or else only goes with ones she knows. So an expat in other words, and not a tourist.The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.

Shadow6491
12-07-10, 00:18
There are plenty of girls that do go from bar 69 and all the bars on 104st and 136st. You just have to ask. The fact that you waited until you have bought several drinks is not her fault. Dont be shy. if its a girl you want to take out ask. Otherwise enjoy the company and have your fun while your in the bar.

Luludinky
12-07-10, 06:30
There is a commonly accepted agreement on this forum about the fact that PP sex scene has be going down the hill for a while.

My current Khmer-very-bi GF and I (see pics below) are now trying to get some more excitement and to revive a bit the scene into meeting new couples for some 4some and moresome action with couples under 40 (she sets the rules...) with the same "sex for fun" mood.

The scene is now still slow but I believe that being more active could contribute to warm up Phnom Penh.

I will be back in PP by the end of this month. Interested to join? pm us and we will see what we can do from here!

Cheers,

Lulu

GreenBud
12-07-10, 08:09
The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.

I didn't think the Candy bar was a dump. It is larger with more girls than most hostess bars. But then you can say virtually every bar in Cambodia is a dump.

Yup, there's a few ladyboys there. I don't recall of any other bars that has 'em. The owner (if it's the same owner from 2 years ago) said that she hires 'em because some people like 'em. Well, to each his own.

Wendella needs to retake "How to spot a ladyboy 101" LOL!

Wendella
12-07-10, 09:45
Wendella needs to retake "How to spot a ladyboy 101" LOL!

Not really, I think it's a course I could teach. I was there about a year ago, and from my stool I didn't spot any. Doesn't mean they aren't there now, or even then -- maybe they just weren't near me. It's possible there could have been some I wouldn't have spotted, but my lay-dar is better than most. If there's guys here who say "there's ladyboys there", I would have spotted most if not all of them. Once I took part in a kind of online survey asking to look at 10 photos and pick out which were real girls and which real boys. Got one wrong. A few experts got all 10 right, most got 8 or less.


There are plenty of girls that do go from bar 69 and all the bars on 104st and 136st. You just have to ask. The fact that you waited until you have bought several drinks is not her fault.

Have to disagree. When they ask you for drinks one after another, are very touchy and affectionate, have never seen you before and therefore know you're a tourist, and also know you've almost surely been to Thailand already and therefore are expecting things to go a certain way, they're fully aware that they're playing on your expectation that after these drinks you'll be able to take the girl out. Otherwise who would lay out $40 (or however much) for free drinks for a bunch of girls who can't be taken out. (for that matter, who would go drink there?) But yes it looks like the reality is that you have to ask up front who here can go out and who can not. Which sucks. I think that's socially awkward enough that it rarely happens, and that's another key element of their game -- the game's set up so the inconvenient question won't often get asked; only the most hardcore mongers are going to actually ask that question.

First bar like that I went into, I felt totally scammed. I was getting massage from multiple angles, had the buxom #1 cutie next to me very affectionate and leaning against me while we talked. Then after too long a time and too many drinks, the jaw-droppingly shocking reply "No" when I asked her to go to hotel.

They play their customers, man. That's not our fault. They're the ones who write the script for the way it plays out. If you set something up in a deliberately deceptive way, yeah you have to own responsibility for that when the customer/victim is pissed off about it. Not that they would. But that's yet another aspect of the game: never own up. Plausible deniability.

I wonder if you think it's perfectly within their rights for Nigerian con men to send out their emails offering fake "lucrative business propositions". After all, its our responsibility to be careful. So therefore, they're not doing anything wrong. Cmon. That's lame.

GreenBud
12-07-10, 11:35
Not really, I think it's a course I could teach. I was there about a year ago, and from my stool I didn't spot any. Doesn't mean they aren't there now, or even then -- maybe they just weren't near me. It's possible there could have been some I wouldn't have spotted, but my lay-dar is better than most. If there's guys here who say "there's ladyboys there", I would have spotted most if not all of them. Once I took part in a kind of online survey asking to look at 10 photos and pick out which were real girls and which real boys. Got one wrong. A few experts got all 10 right, most got 8 or less.

I was just joking. The ladyboys might not have been there at that particular time.

I'm not an expert, but my method is foolproof in spotting the ladyboys (or ex-guys). When in doubt, pass! There are so many others around that are obviously female.

Rooter
12-07-10, 12:14
I am finding more and more bars are employing young attractive girls who do not go with customers. I have had several incidents where I have had a very attractive young girl being very attentive and amorous, buy her drinks etc and then leaving the bar alone and pissed off. I make sure now, if I like a lady, that I find out earlier rather than later what the score is, saves a lot of anguish later in the evening.

As far as bars employing ladyboys goes, this is not a bad thing, as long as you don't get fooled (Unless of course you want to) I have found bars that have ladyboys, the girls are much more likely to perform better, because they have to compete to a certain extent with what the ladyboys do.

Sabretongue
12-07-10, 12:19
I was just joking. The ladyboys might not have been there at that particular time.

I'm not an expert, but my method is foolproof in spotting the ladyboys (or ex-guys). When in doubt, pass! There are so many others around that are obviously female.Actually that doesn't sound like such a good method. First, let's admit it, a number of ladyboys are freakin' hot. They have a height advantage over females and I have seen some that were absolute stunners. This means that you have to be a bit careful of tall, stunning women. But not all tall, stunning women are ladyboy, some of them are just hot women, and you don't want to be rejecting these for something that is 'more obviously female'. Second, you're instincts will probably fail you at least once during your life, so perhaps you're going to find yourself in a sticky situation one day.

But really, just go with the flow, what's the worst that could happen? If it turns out you let one slip under the gaydar, just make your excuses, back away slowly and then run like hell! LOL.

Actually I have heard very few confirmed stories where a man was 'fooled' by a ladyboy. Most ladyboys flaunt their status rather than try to hide it and most men who go with them know exactly what they're dealing with 99% of the time.

Mangofan
12-08-10, 08:43
I am finding more and more bars are employing young attractive girls who do not go with customers. I have had several incidents where I have had a very attractive young girl being very attentive and amorous, buy her drinks etc and then leaving the bar alone and pissed off. I make sure now, if I like a lady, that I find out earlier rather than later what the score is, saves a lot of anguish later in the evening.Nice to know that things haven't changed in Phnom Penh these past few years! Last time I was there was 2008, and it was the same story. Go into a bar, buy a girl a few drinks, chat her up for an hour while she kisses me amorously and grinds on me, touching and feeling all the right spots. But when it's time to take her out, I discover that she's "busy" or doesn't go with customers. What you need to do is ask. Be blunt and straightforward. If she asks you for a drink, before you buy, ask "do you go with customers?" If she's flippant or vague about it, then move on. It's not like Thailand where you know the score as soon as you walk into the bar.

Shadow6491
12-09-10, 00:03
Not really, I think it's a course I could teach. I was there about a year ago, and from my stool I didn't spot any. Doesn't mean they aren't there now, or even then. Maybe they just weren't near me. It's possible there could have been some I wouldn't have spotted, but my lay-dar is better than most. If there's guys here who say "there's ladyboys there", I would have spotted most if not all of them. Once I took part in a kind of online survey asking to look at 10 photos and pick out which were real girls and which real boys. Got one wrong. A few experts got all 10 right, most got 8 or less.

Have to disagree. When they ask you for drinks one after another, are very touchy and affectionate, have never seen you before and therefore know you're a tourist, and also know you've almost surely been to Thailand already and therefore are expecting things to go a certain way, they're fully aware that they're playing on your expectation that after these drinks you'll be able to take the girl out. Otherwise who would lay out $40 (or however much) for free drinks for a bunch of girls who can't be taken out. (for that matter, who would go drink there?) But yes it looks like the reality is that you have to ask up front who here can go out and who can not. Which sucks. I think that's socially awkward enough that it rarely happens, and that's another key element of their game. The game's set up so the inconvenient question won't often get asked; only the most hardcore mongers are going to actually ask that question.

First bar like that I went into, I felt totally scammed. I was getting massage from multiple angles, had the buxom #1 cutie next to me very affectionate and leaning against me while we talked. Then after too long a time and too many drinks, the jaw-droppingly shocking reply "No" when I asked her to go to hotel.

They play their customers, man. That's not our fault. They're the ones who write the script for the way it plays out. If you set something up in a deliberately deceptive way, yeah you have to own responsibility for that when the customer / victim is pissed off about it. Not that they would. But that's yet another aspect of the game: never own up. Plausible deniability.

I wonder if you think it's perfectly within their rights for Nigerian con men to send out their emails offering fake "lucrative business propositions". After all, its our responsibility to be careful. So therefore, they're not doing anything wrong. Cmon. That's lame. Well even in the Thai go-gos now there are more and more girls that don't go out. The bars in Cambodia are called hostess bars after all and yes I am a hardcore monger who normally negotiate exactly what I expect in the room as well.

As for the Nigerian scammers It is my believe and I think it was quoted by someone famous a long time ago. That you can only con a dishonest man. All there scams involve you doing something that is illegal or is morally wrong.

One of the reasons I moved to Cambodia was I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own actions and their outcomes. Cambodia used not to have all these stupid laws that were created to protect you from yourself.

Please do not take this as a personal attack I enjoy your post and the information you provide others.

Shadow6491
12-09-10, 00:20
Perhaps you could actually blame the expats for some of the hostess bar behavior. There are many expats who treat the hostess bars as just a regular bar where you go to have a drink with your mates. And why not the drink prices are exactly the same if not cheaper in some cases, and for $3 a lady drink you can have a girl sit next to you and rub your crotch or give you a neck massage while you converse with your mates and play grab ass with the girls.

Wendella
12-09-10, 06:33
Well even in the Thai go-gos now there are more and more girls that don't go out. The bars in Cambodia are called hostess bars after all and yes I am a hardcore monger who normally negotiate exactly what I expect in the room as well.

As for the Nigerian scammers It is my believe and I think it was quoted by someone famous a long time ago. That you can only con a dishonest man. All there scams involve you doing something that is illegal or is morally wrong.

One of the reasons I moved to Cambodia was I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own actions and their outcomes.

Well fortunately (?) things are set up so that we have no choice but to take responsibility for our actions. It's not like they're going to let us leave the bar without paying or anything.

"You can only con a dishonest man" is a myth. Do you really believe that Nigerian scammers abide by any kind of code of ethics like that? Friend of mine got cheated by a Nigerian coworker (!) who told him he could get him airline tickets at 10% less than they were offering at the travel agencies. Months later, turned out the piece of paper he got out of it for his $800 was just a reservation. I'm not saying there aren't any scams that play on the victim's own dishonesty, but there's also a lot more that don't. Your cute bit of folk wisdom says no, there's no such thing. Flat false. Fraud is a crime in every country in the world. When caught, the penalty is prison time. If you set out to deceive people in order to cheat them out of their money, that's fraud. I guess if you're saying that "the world is dangerous, so you have to be careful". Ok fair enough. Sure, of course. But if you're also saying that scammers are not to blame, or responsible, for their actions, then I'd say that seems a bit weird. I mean, if you did the same thing back to them and took them for any significant amount of money as a result, you wouldn't last long-so they sure don't see it that way.

Wendella
12-09-10, 06:44
Perhaps you could actually blame the expats for some of the hostess bar behavior. There are many expats who treat the hostess bars as just a regular bar where you go to have a drink with your mates. And why not the drink prices are exactly the same if not cheaper in some cases, and for $3 a lady drink you can have a girl sit next to you and rub your crotch or give you a neck massage while you converse with your mates and play grab ass with the girls.My gut feeling is to just blame the scammer for the scam and not to look elsewhere for people to blame. Seriously, they know they're playing a game. We know (after it happens) that we just got taken. I think those places expect to take some shit for it, and do take some shit for it pretty regularly. Every night, I would think. They know the score. The only part I don't get is why there's apologists for them up here. A scammer is a scammer. They don't need our help building sympathy for them. Their scams work fine without it.

Shadow6491
12-09-10, 07:48
Don't get me wrong. I think scammers are one of the lowest forms of life. They prey on the weak and vulnerable. Most often on people who are doing it tough and are looking for a bit of easy money. I make absolutely no apologies for them and hope they get either street justice or the book thrown at them. Scammers have no ethics they are thieves pure and simple.

However I don't think that most girls in the PP bars are scammers. I don't think they try to deceive punters into thinking that they will go home and fuck them if they are bought drinks. In fact if you do ask do they go out even before you by them a drink they will give you an honest answer even knowing that they may now not get a drink.

To me the whole idea of working girls is to cut out the nonsense of romance and heart break and all that drama.

I have a great time in the bars the girls treat me excellent I am considered a friend to lots of them.

Wendella
12-09-10, 11:20
Don't get me wrong. I think scammers are one of the lowest forms of life. They prey on the weak and vulnerable. Most often on people who are doing it tough and are looking for a bit of easy money. I make absolutely no apologies for them and hope they get either street justice or the book thrown at them. Scammers have no ethics they are thieves pure and simple.

However I don't think that most girls in the PP bars are scammers. I don't think they try to deceive punters into thinking that they will go home and fuck them if they are bought drinks. In fact if you do ask do they go out even before you by them a drink they will give you an honest answer even knowing that they may now not get a drink.

To me the whole idea of working girls is to cut out the nonsense of romance and heart break and all that drama.

I have a great time in the bars the girls treat me excellent I am considered a friend to lots of them. I hear ya. Though I'd say your personal experience with these girls differs from others', including mine. Maybe its cuz you're an expat and I'm a tourist. They know not to pull these tricks on you. And to be fair, I wasn't treated that all the time or even mostly. Just ONCE actually. That is, one time when I went into one of those bars and decided I wanted to take out the one I was with, I got every impression from her up to that point that this was something that could happen if I wanted. But from what I read here, it sounds like that experience is common for others (at least some of the ones who post their experiences here). Actually I went to many of these bars but only saw that one that I wanted to go out with. That night at least. On another night I spotted one in a different bar, and it was obvious from the expression on her face that it was no-go with her. And on another night, I was talking with a girl who I was definitely interested in. And after very delicately putting the question to her, got a definite maybe which turned into a 'not tonight, tomorrow'. And that turned out to be what happened, took her out the next night at the scheduled time. It seemed to me that the reason I got the No on night #1 was because she was already booked by another customer. I think I spotted that transaction go down when she made a trip back to the bar to go pick up some customers' drinks.

But in that first bar, it was obvious I was being scammed. That girl turned on the juice full throttle. And the one who did go with me, she seemed shy if anything, definitely not trying to play up to me at all.

So I guess the qusetion is whether management of these places encourages the girls to do like the 1st one. I would bet that they do. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't discourage it. And you know that must lead to one bad scene after another from tourist customers. They can't be unaware.

Wow, I notice we can say 'shit' now. It used to show up as ****.

Alien Sake
12-10-10, 02:03
Hi, I am planning to stay for a while (maybe up to a year) in Cambodia from around February on.

I have read a lot of valuable reports here about the different cities, but what is your opinion about what's the best place to go to in regard of price / quality / quantity?

Phnom Penh, Battambang (hardly read anything about it here) , Siem Riep or Sihanoukville?

Also what are the chances to find a longer-term relationship for a not-unattractive, fit guy in his end-20's?

Thanks a lot for your help to a Cambodia-newbie!

Dinghy
12-10-10, 21:42
Depends on what yu intend on doing while in Cambo.

Snooky has beaches. Nothing else to do there except FSE (fuck sleep and eat). There's a casino.

PP has some touristy stuff. There's a casino FSE.

SR has Angko, FSE.

BB. Beats me what's there. Probably pretty cheap, though, You would prob need to speak Khmer there more than the others.

That's my 2 bhat.... Er... riel anyway

Somewhere15
12-12-10, 05:27
After reading good reports on the web about the 69 bar, I decided to try it last night.

At around 10pm I entered the door and discovered 2 male patrons inside surrounded by a dozen of hostess vultures. Figuratively speaking. I was ready for some close combats.

As soon as I sat down. 3 hostesses engaged me and immediately gave me massages. One of them actually gave good massage, so encourage her to keep going. And after some time, I bought a round of drinks for them.

Pretty soon I spotted a cutie by the bar and I invited her over. By the time, the 2 men had left and I was the only guy in the establishment. She couldn't do a good massage, but I decided to keep her for takeout.

After a few more rounds of drinks, I asked her out but she said NO. What the fcuk? Someone gave an explanation that she is having her period. I insisted and then heard another excuse that she's a virgin.

I thought that was my sign to cut the loss and paid the tab and ran. Damage was $37. More men had entered when I left.

I then crossed the street and checked out Candy bar. That bar is a dump. I saw a couple of lady boys as well. But fortunately I ran into a old girlfriend. Anna and so I took her out. 7 drinks altogether and barfine cost $30.

Anna took me to this disco that is around the corner of Walkabout called Saint Tropez (not sure if that's the real name, 'cause I only saw Khmer writing on the outside). Once inside I saw a few more cuties, but then it was too late to switch. Not without ruining my little left reputation. But I will revisit that place very soon on my own. .

SpacemanAbout your disco expeirence, can your share more with us (me). I also went to some of these disco's and yes the talent their seems much better then you will find in many bars. I expeirenced two problems: many of these girls don't speak English (or refuse to do) and making contact wasn't a hurdle. Is that because I am 50+ and these girls are not looking for a suggardaddy or?

Hope too hear your expierences.

Somewhere15
12-12-10, 06:00
The place is crab and some of the girls their also but if you wait and have the time from time till time you can find some pearls into this place as well.

Was there for the first time in August and had some nice hours late afternoon, a lot of fun playing pool and took also some young (20ish) girls too my hotel for the other fun part.

Some weeks ago I visited again, downstairs overloaded with people (in my view more long time stayers / expat people than tourist like me) and a large popularity of girls (more older than the youngsters that I saw in August). Did, over 3 days not found what I like to take out. Last week I was again in PP and to WA. More or less the same as last time.

On a certain evening (late, after 12 midnight) I played some round of pool with girls upstairs and on a certain moment I was alone on the balcony drinking and smoking. A 25+ girl, max 40 kilo approached me and asked if I would like to take her out. My spontaneous reaction: first see if you can win 3 rounds of pool from me and then you get your price!

Not sure (influenced by alcohol) if she or I won but I took her to my hotel (hotellandscape. Com – on the riverside). Upfront we discussed the price (US $20 for short time and if I wanted to take pics she wanted $10 extra).

Had some rounds of fun with her and kicked her out after around 1, 5 hours, took many pictures but on a certain moment she said 'pictures only for you not for the internet', well that is what I have too respect for that reason only some pics where you can't recognize here).

Ppfrequentv
12-12-10, 14:21
About your disco expeirence, can your share more with us (me). I also went to some of these disco's and yes the talent their seems much better then you will find in many bars. I expeirenced two problems: many of these girls don't speak English (or refuse to do) and making contact wasn't a hurdle. Is that because I am 50+ and these girls are not looking for a suggardaddy or?

Hope too hear your expierences. Heart of Darkness you will find plenty of freelancers who speak (little) english. My experience is that most of the girls there are working girls but be careful. The occasional girl may have come in with some local "big" guy. Stay away from those girls. Better to obeserve the girl for a moment (to make sure she hasn't a rich local boyfriend) before you approach.

The Saint Tropez disco has far fewer tourists and more expats. Girls are a mixed bag there but most do speak a few words of english. In the Saint Tropez you'll find less girls looking for a sugardaddy since some of the girls have genuine jobs, their own shops or already a sugardaddy.

Have fun

Hippie
12-12-10, 20:40
The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.There are 4 lady boys at Candy Bar at the moment, I believe. All are pretty easy to spot, IMO.


Have to disagree. When they ask you for drinks one after another, are very touchy and affectionate, have never seen you before and therefore know you're a tourist, and also know you've almost surely been to Thailand already and therefore are expecting things to go a certain way, they're fully aware that they're playing on your expectation that after these drinks you'll be able to take the girl out. Otherwise who would lay out $40 (or however much) for free drinks for a bunch of girls who can't be taken out. (for that matter, who would go drink there?) But yes it looks like the reality is that you have to ask up front who here can go out and who can not. Which sucks. I think that's socially awkward enough that it rarely happens, and that's another key element of their game -- the game's set up so the inconvenient question won't often get asked; only the most hardcore mongers are going to actually ask that question. And I have to respectfully disagree with you, as well. It is possible the girl knew what she was doing and was leading you on, but it is more likely she did not. The girls in Phnom Penh know next to nothing about what goes on in a Thai go-go, and no, they won't necessarily assume a tourist has been to Thailand already. Some have, some haven't. Also, an increasing number are coming from KTVs and similar clubs that cater to Asians-I guess their business is down substantially. I have been to such bars in other countries, especially China, and there were always a large subset of girls who did not go out, but they were just as hands on and affectionate in the club as the ones who did. As far as who would lay out $40 and not expect more-lots of guys (to my dismay, as well) , especially those I see as the new breed of Cambodian expat. These are the guys who have been arriving in increasing numbers the last few years, who are typically in their 20s and 30s, work for NGOs or foreign multinationals, and have lots of cash to burn and often a girlfriend or wife they are faithful to. I met one such guy who had been in town for a few months and still did not realize the girls in hostess bars were available for take out, and this was the third time he had been out to them. Yes, you need to ask right away if a girl will go with you, if you want to be 100% sure. Sorry if that seems like a mood killer for you, but I disagree that the game is set up so that people won't ask that early. I believe it is only your own preference that prevents it. Koreans and other Asians do it immediately if they have any doubts and it is important to them, as they are used to KTVs where this usually needs to be specified up front. I have only run into one situation where I or someone I know asked this question up front and was lied to, whereas that happens often in Thailand. BTW, I don't think I have ever bought a girl in Asia more than three lady drinks in one visit to her bar, and even that is a rarity. If they see a guy laying out $40 for lady drinks, they will know with little doubt that he is a tourist, and probably not one who has spent much time in Cambodia. The only bars in Phnom Penh where I have seen consistent pressure from multiple girls to press for lady drinks are Zanzibar and to a lesser extent Bar 69. This comes from what the female Cambodian managers are telling the girls to do. Anywhere else, it is just the occasional girl who will be pushy about it.


Perhaps you could actually blame the expats for some of the hostess bar behavior. There are many expats who treat the hostess bars as just a regular bar where you go to have a drink with your mates. And why not the drink prices are exactly the same if not cheaper in some cases, and for $3 a lady drink you can have a girl sit next to you and rub your crotch or give you a neck massage while you converse with your mates and play grab ass with the girls.I do this frequently, but I don't think expats like me are the type who have caused the recent increase in girls who don't go out, since we know the value of our money. $1 an hour is about all such service goes for on the local market, and I often pay that in the form of a tip, not a lady drink. However, the "new breed" I described above is another story. Also, the economy has resulted in a fair number of former garment factory and similar workers coming to bars. Most don't go out, and don't last very long.


Hi, I am planning to stay for a while (maybe up to a year) in Cambodia from around February on.

I have read a lot of valuable reports here about the different cities, but what is your opinion about what's the best place to go to in regard of price / quality / quantity?

Phnom Penh, Battambang (hardly read anything about it here) , Siem Riep or Sihanoukville?

Also what are the chances to find a longer-term relationship for a not-unattractive, fit guy in his end-20's?

Thanks a lot for your help to a Cambodia-newbie! For P4P, PP is the only place worth going. Sihanoukville used to have a good scene, but it is pathetic now. Your chances are fantastic at finding a GF anywhere in Cambodia.


About your disco expeirence, can your share more with us (me). I also went to some of these disco's and yes the talent their seems much better then you will find in many bars. I expeirenced two problems: many of these girls don't speak English (or refuse to do) and making contact wasn't a hurdle. Is that because I am 50+ and these girls are not looking for a suggardaddy or? Sounds like you went to the discos that are not freelancer hangouts, such as DJ Club, Sparks, Elements, etc. Generally speaking, if the male patrons are predominately Cambodian, you are not going to find hookers there. At Heart of Darkness, Martini, Riverhouse, and Rock (presumably-I haven't been in 2 years) , you will. There were none at St. Tropez when I went, but that was when it had just opened. They may well be going there now. It is aimed at the upscale expat and Cambodian customer, or at least that was the initial target market. After seeing the drink prices, I never returned.

Evianist
12-13-10, 16:00
What was Svay Pak and why are people in this thread so happy about the possibility of a new one?

Traveler Tom
12-13-10, 23:43
Hi,

I often read here about Vietnamese offering their services in Cambodia.

Does anyone actually know why that is? I mean why do they go to a country that is even poorer (on paper)?

Traveler Tom
12-13-10, 23:45
Perhaps because they were born there?

Freezone
12-15-10, 00:32
What was Svay Pak and why are people in this thread so happy about the possibility of a new one?It was the local wall to wall, house to house brothels area with almost unlimited choices in ladies and all for a cheap pirce of a few $ a shot.

Will there be another place like this in PP. Don't think so as all the NGOs and current gov't have killed the industry here.

FZ

Marrow
12-15-10, 01:52
I think one of the issues is that a number of the girls in those bars are married or with a long-term boyfriend.

I've had the same experience and it really winds me up. I remember thinking to myself at the time, 'if they're not there to screw what the hell are they there for? That's the point of it being a girlie bar. '

It's a terrible feeling, not being able to get laid in a girlie bar, it gives one pause. Absolutely. Like I wrote enough times. 99% of girls have a long term bf, mostly rich barang (foreigner) , sometimes khmer. And funnily, either with a barang, they have one more khmer bf, to be sure haha. If you're so lucky to find one without barang bf, don't be so sure there isn't a khmer man waiting to have enough money for marry her.


The ladyboys are there. You better believe it.Agree, sadly.


I hear ya. Though I'd say your personal experience with these girls differs from others', including mine. Maybe its because you're an expat and I'm a tourist. Same experience at all. When you know how the game works, after long time, your attitude is completely clear, subconsciously you act in a "pro-manner" and they know or feel you're not a fool and you know the price of everything, and you're here for YOUR price and service. And when is time to change from "amateur monger" to "pro", your eyes will recognize, like me and Wendella and million others, who is a waste of time, who is available, who next day. Sometimes agree, if the girl is a professional fake, and you feel inside there is something wrong, there is, so ask the price, either not so directly but with funny ways, will gives you the answer. And change bar, or girl, quickly! Haha. .


Well even in the Thai go-gos now there are more and more girls that don't go out. The bars in Cambodia are called hostess bars after all and yes I am a hardcore monger who normally negotiate exactly what I expect in the room as well.

As for the Nigerian scammers It is my believe and I think it was quoted by someone famous a long time ago. That you can only con a dishonest man. All there scams involve you doing something that is illegal or is morally wrong.

One of the reasons I moved to Cambodia was I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for your own actions and their outcomes. Cambodia used not to have all these stupid laws that were created to protect you from yourself.

Please do not take this as a personal attack I enjoy your post and the information you provide others. It's the attitude from the beginning the problem, from the monger. If someone is going to Cambodia for fuck, reading around how easy is, obiouvsly you PRETEND, like others you read on internet, your girl. When expectations doesn't realize, the monger go angry. Why, I ask. They are not holes near a table. Instead girls with a brain, free to answer "No, no boom boom" to everyone, till a handsome rich young (fool if possible) guy comes in the bar, well, strangely you will see the girl hand by hand going to fuck.

How is possible? No, he isn't the bf, you can hear them talking about what's your name how old are you till let's go.

They choose, when beautiful, that's all. .

How you're wrong, about con. Con, is an ability. And the fool is not dishonest, just a fool wants quick money. And no, not all the scams from a con are illegal things. Just something fools heavily wants, and no idea how to realize. Is it so different from the moto driver answer you "yes yes I know I know, I bring you beautiful girl cheap cheap"?
And ask 30$ for a karaoke girl, giving back to the papasan 10000 riel, later. Did you know her price was 10000 riel? You just ask a young pretty girl. With no idea where the hell is, hehe. .


Hi, I am planning to stay for a while (maybe up to a year) in Cambodia from around February on.

I have read a lot of valuable reports here about the different cities, but what is your opinion about what's the best place to go to in regard of price / quality / quantity?

Phnom Penh, Battambang (hardly read anything about it here) , Siem Riep or Sihanoukville?

Also what are the chances to find a longer-term relationship for a not-unattractive, fit guy in his end-20's?

Thanks a lot for your help to a Cambodia-newbie!
Depends on what yu intend on doing while in Cambo.

Snooky has beaches. Nothing else to do there except FSE (fuck sleep and eat). There's a casino.

PP has some touristy stuff. There's a casino FSE.

SR has Angko, FSE.

BB. Beats me what's there. Probably pretty cheap, though, You would prob need to speak Khmer there more than the others.

That's my 2 bhat. Er. Riel anywayThis is exactly what you will do, everywhere. FSE. Is it what you was searching? Well, if hang around is too much for you, like someone else told you, PP will fit you. .


There are 4 lady boys at Candy Bar at the moment, I believe. All are pretty easy to spot, IMO.

And I have to respectfully disagree with you, as well. . The answer is easy. A lot, more than I expected honestly, japanese men go to Cambodia. Well, like every pure jap man, they go to pubs like 69 or others just for a drink with useless chitchat with a young girl. They absolutely don't expect sex. And this is a billionaire business in japan. So probably, the owner of the drink bar where someone of us can go, had a deep talk with a jap guy, who explained how things works. He tried, jap men came, was real! Obiouvsly, the owner is enough fool to forget customers aren't just japanese. And a western man, wants to fuck! Why care, they made money on your back, you don't come back? Amen, next tourist-fool will come. It's typical, in Cambodia, this attitude, one shot money. Expecially in Siem Reap and PP. Works? No, after months reputation spreads, and magically the bar change owner / closed / change location. One shot, short time and close, it's the Chinese attitude spreads everywhere now. Suggestion: google around, read this forum, make a clear idea where to go where not. Hang around in the center and try a cute place with no idea what is inside, is a 50/50, wanna try? .


What was Svay Pak and why are people in this thread so happy about the possibility of a new one?Because was a place full of young girls (very, honestly) , a huge numbers, difficult to count, all togheter, and super cheap. It's a dream, nowadays, that's why all wants it desperately, somewhere else.

Evianist
12-15-10, 04:38
One of the main differences between the working girls in Thailand and Cambodia is that Thai girls are primarily looking for older sponsors to pay them money each month so they can live with their Thai boyfriends, whereas Cambodian girls are looking for boyfriends, preferably youngish and white.

Not sure why the difference exists, but it does.

Channy
12-15-10, 17:51
Many barang started to move and reside in Cambodia when shinawatra inforced immigration law in Thailand. And since 2005 Cambodian scene face serious crackdown, NGO push the pressure to the maxx. We saw the end of svay pak, the end of fair brothels in 63 street like tommy. By fair I mean barang was welcome, not overpriced and not robbed (except in 2 notorious well know place) , hun sen park girls almost disappear, toul kok gone, kin svay disappear totaly, barfine started to appeared in the bar scene etc the list could be so long.

Amazing also how short time price rise. From 3 dollars for khmer girl to 5 for viet cuties. Just check archives pictures. For cutties you got and those you have now for 20 USD.

This old good time has gone but many people still believe in this old good time.

The fact is Ngo want to concentrate and keep under heavy watching the p4p scene in phnom penh. For police it s double interesting because they can push bribes higher for closing eyes. For ngo= more mongers, more everything =more donations.

Basicaly about local brothels those located outside tourist place meaning close to toul kok and riverside they are always barang welcome for 5/6 dollars but those like in street 63 are clearly barang no welcome ever if you can speak khmer or come with khmer friends. Simply because barang= Ngo problems. But in both case the quality of girls has dropped dramaticaly. But some are still friendly, because their goal is to robbed you.

When brothels is raid? Depend who are the girls. Khmer girls go out quickly after a small" fine" it s often very risky to arrest and bribe Cambodian brothels because its hard to knwo who is behind and thing can turn badly (some years ago military exchange gun fire with cops in toul kok, this khmer brothel brothel was control by military, cops ignored this fact and try to racket the place) , viet girls are more vulnerable because they are illegal immigrant so they have to paid more, if they cannot or they are deportated, but more often they stay in jail 1 month and paid her fine with her body if she is attractive.

Like you said taking a motodop for finding girl is a pure dream and for sure he will bring you the lousiest place where he will get maximum of profit. How many time I listen idiot barang paying 20 or 30 dollars for short time in a wood schack brothel during the time I was bonking another brothel girl in another room for 5 dollars!

Also if many motodop speak few english their understanding is close to zero. So they hardly understand your request.

Many Cambodian bar girl are not so expert as thai bar girl but they learn quickly. In 2005 I was with a friend in Walkabout bar, talking with a working girl, a khmer girl from kompong cham. She already got 4 sponsors one from france, one from austria, another from south koread and the last one an americain. She got 1200 dollars just with money transfer every month. Without added the money she make each month with customer.

Cambodia is not totally dead some place offered always large numerous brothel area. For low price. But don t expect viet cutties in their 18-20 years old for 5 dollars anymore. Simply because now they can get 60 to 100 Singapore dollars per hour in Singapore rld or 40 USD in Malaysia per hour. Where they are very wanted.

After visiting almost all south east asia. I agree with Marrow that Thailand is the easiest country for P4P holiday in term of choice, price and hassle free. Despite I will prefered another country.

Yes time in Cambodia has change and those living in the old time, with their certainty form the past will be badly disapointed.

Cheers,

Marrow

Luludinky
12-16-10, 19:08
Try Dream Bar, Srey Saan used to work there with big nice boobies!

Sabretongue
12-17-10, 10:25
One of the main differences between the working girls in Thailand and Cambodia is that Thai girls are primarily looking for older sponsors to pay them money each month so they can live with their Thai boyfriends, whereas Cambodian girls are looking for boyfriends, preferably youngish and white.

Not sure why the difference exists, but it does. Probably because the Thai girls believe in money more than they believe in love, whereas the Khmer girls aren't yet so jaded.

Lenience
12-18-10, 05:21
Has anyone seen any busty girls in PP? Do tell, please.Barbados has some winners these days (St 130)

AlLostInSpace13
12-19-10, 09:20
Visited 69 bar, Rose bar and Candy bar. Hostesses are either too ugly, old or fat. I did see a rare gem at 69 bar, but was told that she's still a virgin and doesn't go out with customers. Oh well.

Visited the new Darling Darling disco at Nagaworld. More spaceous and with a live band and $8 Heineken and many half-drunk tourists. Crap! The same girls from Sharky's were there! No next time for me. Why bother? Riverhouse is much better.

My fun for this trip was the task of attempting to pickup a Walkabout waitress. Problem was that her English was almost non-existent, she only talked bar! I didn't expect to get very far and I haven't. Only managed to get her home address and I will try to write. Does babelfish that English to Khmer translation? To be continued on the next trip.

Spaceman

Sabretongue
12-20-10, 01:14
Visited 69 bar, Rose bar and Candy bar. Hostesses are either too ugly, old or fat. I did see a rare gem at 69 bar, but was told that she's still a virgin and doesn't go out with customers. Oh well.

Visited the new Darling Darling disco at Nagaworld. More spaceous and with a live band and $8 Heineken and many half-drunk tourists. Crap! The same girls from Sharky's were there! No next time for me. Why bother? Riverhouse is much better.

My fun for this trip was the task of attempting to pickup a Walkabout waitress. Problem was that her English was almost non-existent, she only talked bar! I didn't expect to get very far and I haven't. Only managed to get her home address and I will try to write. Does babelfish that English to Khmer translation? To be continued on the next trip.

SpacemanA sad reflection on the scene as it is these days.

With respect to translations, you will be lucky to even find a computer with Khmer fonts installed, let alone something that will translate it for you.

"Don't bother writing, just send money." I'm sure that's what she would say if only she knew the right words. .

Sharka
12-24-10, 00:42
Has anyone seen a good rate on a flight from Chiang Mai to Phnom Penh (one-way)? The best I could find is Bangkok Air for $276 USD. I was hoping to do better than that. Thanks and happy mongering! .As far as I know, the price for this route was never cheap because there is almost no other airlines flying from there so no competition. Sometimes it may be alot cheaper to fly CM to BKK and then book 2nd flight from BKK to PP. Takes more time but could save you half the cost or more, especially if the flights are on sale. Ex: AirAsia.

Shark

Doppel One
12-24-10, 13:42
My fun for this trip was the task of attempting to pickup a Walkabout waitress. Problem was that her English was almost non-existent, she only talked bar! I didn't expect to get very far and I haven't. Only managed to get her home address and I will try to write. Does babelfish that English to Khmer translation? To be continued on the next trip.About five years ago when the pickings were still half decent in PP I tried to pull one of the Walkabout waitresses. After weeks of small talk she finally agreed to meet me for a meal on her day off. That morning I awoke fantasizing about fucking her up the ass. Hahaha. But when I arrived for 'our' date reality hit me in the face and I couldn't help but noticing she was accompanied by her father, sister, two nieces and an aunt who had tagged along to assess my suitability as a husband and future sponsor for the family. I ended up up forking out $75 on a meal for all seven of us and didn't even get to sit next my waitress, which was a far cry from what I had planned.

After an hour or two of being grilled by my halfwit future father-in-law I waved them all goodbye and legged it over to a brothel for a $5 shag. In retrospect I was a fool to veer away from that tried and tested MO in the first place. \

Another one of life's little lessons learned the hard way.

Asianpussylover
12-24-10, 15:49
Basicaly about local brothels those located outside tourist place meaning close to toul kok and riverside they are always barang welcome for 5/6 dollars but those like in street 63 are clearly barang no welcome ever if you can speak khmer or come with khmer friends. Simply because barang= Ngo problems. But in both case the quality of girls has dropped dramaticaly. But some are still friendly, because their goal is to robbed you.

Why is barang not welcome? Go see for yourself.) But I would not recommend the place as you will not get any yum yum, the pimps will try to rip you off with a $40 quote and the girls will get upset if you refuse to hang your pants on the door-where you can't see them and someone else can sneek in and pick your wallet. It's a good place for the adventure but a poor value for the money. Heck I am still thinking of the viet girl there with the most perfect ass I have found to date. I will be able to get away from the wife for a few days. It will be sometime in late January, February. What is the current situation with Somaly's? Does anyone know the name of the karaoke place with khmer girls that is above the Chinese restaurant? Maybe philistine knows? I liked this place a lot. Oh, and if you don't want to be ripped blind just avoid all the karaoke places where the viet girls work. I don't know why so many of you are ranting and raving about the viet girls. Some are nice but most are cold bitches. Khmer girls are much nicer.

Asianpussylover
12-24-10, 18:13
Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. You'll feel like you are in a time warp. I'll be in Kampuchea sometime in late January / February. I've made arraingments with my wingman to do a recon of Svay Pak. I'll let you guys know what the real deal is and if it is still jail bait city. I'll also recon a city in Cambodia that the No Gooders have not been able to crack.). I'll keep the city un-named for now but I just learned about it from a friend. Svay Pak is dead but its spirit lives on.).

Member #2453
12-25-10, 13:49
Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. n.).In Burma. Yangon for the next 16 days, could make a 3 to 4 days quick run to the city you mention on the Burmese / China border and report back, if you can give the name of this city.

Iching
12-25-10, 18:31
Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. You'll feel like you are in a time warp. I'll be in Kampuchea sometime in late January / February. I've made arraingments with my wingman to do a recon of Svay Pak. I'll let you guys know what the real deal is and if it is still jail bait city. I'll also recon a city in Cambodia that the No Gooders have not been able to crack.). I'll keep the city un-named for now but I just learned about it from a friend. Svay Pak is dead but its spirit lives on.).Wouldn't mind getting a lady for $2, mind you to get to the Chinese / mayanmar border you would have to go through China, I hope your not leading us on a "wild goose chase" LOL.

Asianpussylover
12-25-10, 21:10
In Burma. Yangon for the next 16 days, could make a 3 to 4 days quick run to the city you mention on the Burmese / China border and report back, if you can give the name of this city.Ruili. Make sure you have Chinese visa before getting there. Be careful as this is heavy drug dealing, kidnapping, guerilla activity country. Check the latest info before heading out. There is action on the burmese side also. Take lots of greek soldiers with you. You won't find this low price high quality in cambo or Thailand. Enjoy.

Member #4698
12-25-10, 23:40
Where have all the hard core Svay Pakers gone? They moved on years ago to the land of curry and yoga wherein the party is in full swing. Some have gone onto Indonesia and others to a city on the Burmese / China border where the boom boom is still $2, the quality triple AAA and the garage door shops are at. You'll feel like you are in a time warp. I'll be in Kampuchea sometime in late January / February. I've made arraingments with my wingman to do a recon of Svay Pak. I'll let you guys know what the real deal is and if it is still jail bait city. I'll keep the city un-named for now but I just learned about it from a friend. Svay Pak is dead but its spirit lives on.Are you talking about Ruili, China & Muse Burma? I've done some investigating. These towns sound like the Wild West. Gambling, drugs and prostitution are pretty big time in Ruili and are also available in Muse to a lesser extent. I don't see why there has to be all this secrecy about it. A place like this is out of bounds for most. It is hard to get to, accommodations have got to be primitive and the place is not that safe. Still, sounds like a real adventure. The scenery is probably spectacular. Hey Asianpussylover, want another wing man? LOL.

Asianpussylover
12-26-10, 02:15
Are you talking about Ruili, China & Muse Burma? I've done some investigating. These towns sound like the Wild West. Gambling, drugs and prostitution are pretty big time in Ruili and are also available in Muse to a lesser extent. I don't see why there has to be all this secrecy about it. A place like this is out of bounds for most. It is hard to get to, accommodations have got to be primitive and the place is not that safe. Still, sounds like a real adventure. The scenery is probably spectacular. Hey Asianpussylover, want another wing man? LOL.Yes it is! The Chinese government has been looking the other way but I am afraid if the place gets popular like svay park then we will loose another gem. All you who miss the Cambodia of old should run to Burma. There is plenty for you to discover. That will remain unsaid here. Enjoy!

Iching
12-27-10, 18:02
are you geniuses discussing on a public internet forum the best place in asia for **** girls?

i suspect many of you will be in the newspaper sooner rather than later. i'm looking for cheap woman, i actualy miss the old wild west of cambodia. every time i go to cams now theres new buidings, roads, bridges. which i soppose is a good thing for cambodians.

Member #4698
12-27-10, 20:00
are you geniuses discussing on a public internet forum the best place in asia for **** girls?no. we are talking about an off the grid location where you will find lots of unspoiled pussy and a sense of adventure. you can find **** girls anywhere. i am not interested.

Evianist
12-28-10, 03:13
no. we are talking about an off the grid location where you will find lots of unspoiled pussy and a sense of adventure. you can find **** girls anywhere. i am not interested.

i guess i misunderstood that "jail bait city" comment...

i do enjoy unspoilt pussy and adventure. but no interest in 6 year olds.

Forever69
12-28-10, 13:37
Ruili. Make sure you have Chinese visa before getting there. Be careful as this is heavy drug dealing, kidnapping, guerilla activity country. Check the latest info before heading out. There is action on the burmese side also. Take lots of greek soldiers with you. You won't find this low price high quality in cambo or Thailand. Enjoy.I actually went there and yes I know it is not in cambo and this is the pp thread, nevertheless, I want to warn you not to waste your time and money. Ruili was not at all unruly, if there was said action then I did not find it. It is a safe place however and the hotels that you are allowed to stay in are about 10$ and very nice at that (they all have a floormat in the elevator :good morning today is Monday.) I did not find any bars, but after a couple of days heard some thumping and went up by elevator to the fifth floor of my hotel and walked up another floor and yes there was a karaoke place so grotesque and tasteless that I just excused myself and went back down across the street got another cold beer (in Chinese, no english spoken there) and watched more tv in my room.

The only funny thing there was weed growing in a flower box right outside the post office. Just one small plant though. I do recommend that area of yunnan but not for the mongering. There where some dubious Chinese girls hanging out by the street corner but they were not at all interested in some foreigner 20 years older than them. Also note that you will not be able to cross the border there unless you are Chinese or burmese.

Fast Eddie 48
12-29-10, 00:03
Yes it is! The Chinese government has been looking the other way but I am afraid if the place gets popular like svay park then we will loose another gem. All you who miss the Cambodia of old should run to Burma. There is plenty for you to discover. That will remain unsaid here. Enjoy!To Asianpussylover

Ya this is a wild west town 10 yr ago but it been clean up by the Chinese government not much going on there anymore, it is just a border town to cross into Myynmar and SEASIA good place to shop for bargin good and gem, you can get visa in Kunming China before you go to the border.

Fast Eddie 48

Asianpussylover
01-02-11, 07:42
Happy New Years everyone. I'm just a few weeks shy of humping my favorite girls in soi 6 Pattaya. I definetly plan to hit snookyville and some spots in phnom penh. Svay pak is seriously over due for a report. The place is supposed to be dead yet there is a trickle of reports of pussy being available there. 004 and I are going to do some serious recon of this place and let you know what the deal is. If nothing is happening then I will fall back to my favorite spots for viet pussy. I will try to sneak burma into my itinerary without the wife getting too suspicious. I am glad to hear that I am coming into town now that the crackdown is over. Thanks!

Luludinky
01-03-11, 04:14
Hi everybody,

I m living in PP for now 4 years. I have a new girlfriend for nearly 2 months and we are looking for some action.

So if you are a couple (man must have 25 to 50 yrs old) and you like party with us, please contact me. You account does not accept PM. Please change it.

GreenBud
01-03-11, 06:39
Crackdown over? To be honest, my friend, is getting worst. Day by day. On 2011, cambodian's police plan is to arrest every girl a little sexy hanging on a motorbyke around PP. Crackdown in Phnom Penh was not occuring in December 2010.

Not sure what "they" plan to do in 2011.

There is no "moto-bike" scene is PP; might be getting confused with Saigon.

But as my driver said. Crackdowns come, but the houses always comes back. The locals need a place to release themselves. Many of the locals will pay extra ($5 instead of $2.50 or $3) for better quality. My guess is that the houses are connected (they pay off government officials).

Even with the previous crackdown, Martini, Sharkeys, LCC and all the hostess bars were still open.

Interesting story: the police attempted to clean up Hun Sen Park of FLs. But as soon as they were arrested, they got out and came back. The undercover police did not want to blow their cover and risk their lives for unimportant "crimes". The FLs are still there. If you go there, be careful!

I heard that there are some criminals working at one of the parks (not sure which one) that will steal your moto-bike helmet. If you chase them, they will pull out a knife. At night time, there aren't too many people around.

Another area which has FLs at night: Go up Monivong away from market; pass Asia Palace hotel; left on first possible street. Then you will see Cambodia "restaurant"; tables on sidewalk serving food. Then next street, there will be girls hanging around the corner. Again be careful; you prepay pimp; girls will steal and leave early if you allow them.

Bartchamdo
01-03-11, 11:17
I agree with Greenbud on this one. There are still plenty of options in Phnom Penh. There has been a lot of talk of the crackdown and how dead this city is and so forth, but I don't really see it. There are still dozens of places to pick up working girls. Far more places than I've had time to explore. There have been lots of complaints about high prices, but $10 or $15 ST seems to be acceptable with every lady I've been with.

Hippie and Shadow6491, you guys were both talking about places to get a neck massage or your crotch rubbed for a lady drink or a small tip. Where were you guys talking about? I see neck massages in pretty much every bar, but no crotch rubbing. (Maybe I should be looking under the table?) The only bar I know of where the girls always rub your crotch is LCC. Could someone suggest some other bars where the girls are a bit more "hands on"?

Shivachandra
01-03-11, 21:06
Hello, to everybody!

I'm just back from a trip in SE asia, I want to share my (first) experience in Cambodia.

Aside Angkor that really must be seen, I decided to spend 3 days in PP before leaving to Bangkok.

I booked at hotel Trasak Pa-them, on St. 63 at the intersection with St. 184, not too far from the central market (about 1 Km) , not a great place but acceptable (but the breakfast is really awful).

Zero action in the riverside, back to the hotel I asked an "advice" to the night porter for a place to have fun before sleeping. One of the two guys smiled and escorted me just 20 mt. Along St. 63 in the direction of the central market. A joung guy was attending at the outside of a kind of shop / garage and said 10$ for massage & bum-bum. We went inside and there were 6. 8 girls all dressed like school girls, some really beautiful, I asked for the age and the boss said all of them were between 18-21.

I choose a very attractive and fresh girl and she accompained me in another room subdivided in 4-5 small boxes with curtains and a small bed inside. At least another customer was present in the place.

She undressed and began to massage my back and then asked me to turn around and continued up to start a hand-massage and then she started with a BJ, etc, etc. Her english was zero but I can say she was passionate. The place was very shabby but the experience was in the complex not bad at all.

I post a picture of the place, took on the next morning. The hotel is just near the bar on the left.

Out the door waiting for me there was the night porter and I offered him a beer bar in the "Rambo", right in front of the hotel, on the other side of St. 184.

He recommended another brothel like a little further toward the central market but on the other side of the St. 63, but according to him was worse than the first.

The next night I visited it. No need to ask because outside there was a guy and he said me if I was looking

For "massage & bum-bum". The request was 20$ but he agreed for 15$. Inside there were 5 girls, maybe older than in the first place but decent. I choose one and the service (and the place) where similar to the first.

Overall. Much better a trip to Patong or Pattaya in Thailand. During all my staty in the country the feeling was to be in a place not so safe, unpleasant.

Shadow6491
01-04-11, 02:43
I agree with Greenbud on this one. There are still plenty of options in Phnom Penh. There has been a lot of talk of the crackdown and how dead this city is and so forth, but I don't really see it. There are still dozens of places to pick up working girls. Far more places than I've had time to explore. There have been lots of complaints about high prices, but $10 or $15 ST seems to be acceptable with every lady I've been with.

Hippie and Shadow6491, you guys were both talking about places to get a neck massage or your crotch rubbed for a lady drink or a small tip. Where were you guys talking about? I see neck massages in pretty much every bar, but no crotch rubbing. (Maybe I should be looking under the table?) The only bar I know of where the girls always rub your crotch is LCC. Could someone suggest some other bars where the girls are a bit more "hands on"? Well If a girl ever asks me for a lady drink I tell her its not up to me. She then asks what you mean. I then proceed to tell her that it is up to my little friend and she has to be nice to him then she may get a drink.

Con333
01-04-11, 14:53
the brothels on st 63 are not closed to barangs, or at least they weren't in august when i was in phnom penh. one day i was riding by on a tuk-tuk to go elsewhere and all the pimps outside were calling out to get me to stop. the next night i asked a driver where i could find some girls and he took me to street 63. it was one where a lot of them were dressed like schoolgirls, so maybe it was the same one the other poster went to, but it was obvious a lot of the girls were ****, and even though some were clearly old enough, i decided it was better not to get mixed up in that scene at all and left.

Nutty Smith
01-04-11, 23:40
Stayed at Pavilion Hotel several months ago. Very comfortable but upon arrival it became immediately apparent that our hobby is not supported within its walls. Permanent sign stating such on the main entrance. Definitely should have read the thread!

NS

Asianpussylover
01-05-11, 03:23
the brothels on st 63 are not closed to barangs, or at least they weren't in august when i was in phnom penh. one day i was riding by on a tuk-tuk to go elsewhere and all the pimps outside were calling out to get me to stop. the next night i asked a driver where i could find some girls and he took me to street 63. it was one where a lot of them were dressed like schoolgirls, so maybe it was the same one the other poster went to, but it was obvious a lot of the girls were ****, and even though some were clearly old enough, i decided it was better not to get mixed up in that scene at all and left.thanks for spilling the beans. now i hope that a raid will not occur.

AlLostInSpace13
01-05-11, 04:20
I stayed at the Flamigos and every morning I took a motorbike to go to the Brown cafe. On several occassions, out of the blue in the middle of a street some guy that I didn't recongnize would wave at me and yell at me and try to catch my attention. Eventually I figured out that those must be viet brothel keepers trying to drum up business from obvious tourists. One of these days I would stop and check the merchandise.

Spaceman

AlLostInSpace13
01-05-11, 04:27
When I was there in the early December, workers were putting finishing touches on the interior. This new disco is right next to the Flamingos hotel. The hotel manager told me that the disco would open by end of December. Does anyone know if it's opened yet? Any report? So many discos a stone-throw away from Heart of Darkness. When I return, I'll make sure I get a room on the other side away from the noise. At closing time, I wonder if the disco would turn into some sort of a Nana parking lot in Bangkok?

Spaceman

Bartchamdo
01-05-11, 04:41
Here's another picture of the 63rd street brothel that Shivachandra described. It's a garage-like place with a blue and white striped awning. It's right between Rambo restaurant and a small cafe. If you look at the right side of my picture you can see some of the chairs of the cafe.

Usually there is a pimp right out front trying to hustle customers. They don't seem to mind inviting barang inside.

And if you go about 10 meters further away from Rambo restaurant and cross the street there are several more brothels mixed in with local cafes.

Personally I don't like these type of places, but I include this info for people who might be interested.

Sharka
01-12-11, 00:14
Thanks for spilling the beans. Now I hope that a raid will not occur.From all the years I've been to Cambodia, this much I do know.

Don't need to worry about raids being associated with what we do here. Raids occurs mainly as the local gov't give way to pressure from outside do-gooders (NGO, our gov't giving their gov't money to fund advancements in human rights, corruption, etc and they will do raids to show some progress being made).

Our forum have no impact on the overall monger scenes in Cambodia.

Shark

Freezone
01-12-11, 01:17
I choose a very attractive and fresh girl and she accompained me in another room subdivided in 4-5 small boxes with curtains and a small bed inside. At least another customer was present in the place.

She undressed and began to massage my back and then asked me to turn around and continued up to start a hand-massage and then she started with a BJ, etc, etc. Her english was zero but I can say she was passionate. The place was very shabby but the experience was in the complex not bad at all.

I post a picture of the place, took on the next morning. The hotel is just near the bar on the left.

Out the door waiting for me there was the night porter and I offered him a beer bar in the "Rambo", right in front of the hotel, on the other side of St. 184.

He recommended another brothel like a little further toward the central market but on the other side of the St. 63, but according to him was worse than the first.

The next night I visited it. No need to ask because outside there was a guy and he said me if I was looking

For "massage & bum-bum". The request was 20$ but he agreed for 15$. Inside there were 5 girls, maybe older than in the first place but decent. I choose one and the service (and the place) where similar to the first.

Overall. Much better a trip to Patong or Pattaya in Thailand. During all my staty in the country the feeling was to be in a place not so safe, unpleasant.You were damn lucky they didn't try to steal anything from you in the room. The last time I visited a brothel in this area they tried to steal everything in my pants.

FZ

Channy
01-12-11, 13:46
Here's another picture of the 63rd street brothel that Shivachandra described. It's a garage-like place with a blue and white striped awning. It's right between Rambo restaurant and a small cafe. If you look at the right side of my picture you can see some of the chairs of the cafe.

Usually there is a pimp right out front trying to hustle customers. They don't seem to mind inviting barang inside.

And if you go about 10 meters further away from Rambo restaurant and cross the street there are several more brothels mixed in with local cafes.

Personally I don't like these type of places, but I include this info for people who might be interested. This place on your picture and the cafe just beside (some years ago it was a pure brothel) was always avoid during the golden age of street 63. Simply because they had the habit to robbed the barang customers. Just opposite your place you have another brothel. Until 2006 it was the famous Tommy Massage, now the name has change. Just 50 meters before Tommy, the legendary Laylay massage and his 70 girls inside for 5 USD.

Until 2006 the street 63 was a real paradise, barang friendly, in their majority safe, with really cute viet for just 5 USD ST

But now time has change. Barang are not very welcome, robbery toward the few westerners are common. Street 63 is now a place for local mongers.

If you venture in such kind of brothel now, just take what is strictly necessary, let your wallet, mobile, jewel in your hotel

TrickyTrevor
01-14-11, 23:38
I used to live in Vietnam up to a year ago and used to enjoy PP for a good weekend of relaxed action. I liked the relaxed small town feel of hanging around the river area and ease of going somewhere to pick up.

However, reading this board it seems all gloom and doom. I'm not very demanding: just a relaxed time staying on the river and enjoying some company from Street 136 (such as Candy) or picking up from Walkabout, Martini or Sharkeys or somewhere on 104 such as Rose Bar.

I'm thinking of hanging out in PP again in April. Is it really that dire that I won't have a nice relaxed but good time?

Melted11
01-15-11, 06:59
I used to live in Vietnam up to a year ago and used to enjoy PP for a good weekend of relaxed action. I liked the relaxed small town feel of hanging around the river area and ease of going somewhere to pick up.

However, reading this board it seems all gloom and doom. I'm not very demanding: just a relaxed time staying on the river and enjoying some company from Street 136 (such as Candy) or picking up from Walkabout, Martini or Sharkeys or somewhere on 104 such as Rose Bar.

I'm thinking of hanging out in PP again in April. Is it really that dire that I won't have a nice relaxed but good time? Brother. Marrow and all these other wingers don't know nuthin'. PP is still a fun and sweet town for mongerin' if you're not stone cold drunk or high on drugs (or both). Common sense prevails for those that love PP. I think that the town still rocks, maybe not as before. But, hey, what do I know? I've only been here since '94.

Mealticket
01-15-11, 10:32
Is it really that dire...?Yes.

There are NO (cute: re: thin) girls and the only westerners who live there are the ones who can no longer afford Pattaya.

Member #4698
01-15-11, 14:16
PP is still a fun and sweet town for mongerin' if you're not stone cold drunk or high on drugs (or both). Common sense prevails for those that love PP. I think that the town still rocks, maybe not as before. But, hey, what do I know? I've only been here since '94.Yes, I am inclined to think this statement is closer to the truth than the end of the world gloom and doom point of view that has lately been promulgated on this forum. The chief proponent of this view has never explained the cause of his negativity. I am sure something (or things) very bad happened to him, but he seems to blame the entire country and all the people for it.

Even back in 2009, before the crackdown in late 2010, some guys were complaining that Penh was no longer good (at least compared to the golden years pre 2001). The main complaints seem to be that it costs more than $5 to get laid and you can't trust Cambodians. If going to 104 street and paying $20-25 for a sweet young Khmer lass for 3 or 4 hours is a bad thing, then there is nothing more I can say. Everybody is entitled to their point of view. As for the trust thing; When I travel, I don't trust anybody, not Thais, Filipinos, Chinese, Americans, or Euros. I just keep my eyes wide open, my nose clean, my powder dry, and I stay away from trouble.

I am sure things were pretty amazing back in those by gone days, but I had an excellent time in March '09. I stayed away in 2010, but now I will be heading back in a few weeks. I expect to enjoy myself, and you can bet your bottom dollar that I will report back as honestly and accurately as possible on what I find. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

GreenBud
01-15-11, 14:30
Brother. Marrow and all these other wingers don't know nuthin'. PP is still a fun and sweet town for mongerin' if you're not stone cold drunk or high on drugs (or both).Hey I think PP can still be a fun and sweet town for mongerin' even if you're drunk and stoned!


The chief proponent of this view has never explained the cause of his negativity.That's because that guy is a faker who gives false info. That guy is a pest. I can say that absolutely about the Cambodian thread (Can't really say that for certainty about other countries since I'm not that experienced in Vietnam)

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Member #4698
01-16-11, 22:06
My trip to Penh is going to be very interesting, because either I am going to have a great time or I am going to be disappointed to some extent. It's no big deal to me if I am disappointed, because my Cambodian excursion is part of a much larger South East Asian itinerary that I have been planning for 6 months. I am almost ready to go to the airport right now!

I will most definitely report back on what I find; the quality of the Khmer girls, their attitude, performance, and specific prices. I will name names. As to my 2009 trip; I paid $20 for 3 to 4 hours of nonstop sex which included multiple soapy showers, multiple BBBJ's, and 3 shags in multiple positions. I report this not to show what a stud I am, but just to give an accurate description of what I experienced. All my Khmer friends were sweet and obliging. The sessions always lasted until I called it quits not the girls. They all seem to intimate that they would have kept on going for more rounds if I had desired it. But after 3 rounds, I was usually pretty satisfied so I would be the one to suggest that we go back to the bar for some drinks. Back at the bar, they always stayed by my side hugging me and kissing me until I had enough of that and I would take my leave and either head to another bar for more adventure or go back to the hotel to get some sleep.

I was very impressed with their attitude and demeanor back in March '09. The only things the girls were not up to was anal and bisexual although I did arrange a ménage one night ($20 per girl). I won't tell you all the girls in the bars were good looking. They weren't. But the ones I bar finned looked pretty good and could definitely hold their own against their Pattaya Go Go sisters. All in all, I spent time with some pretty nice girls. That's why I am going back.

GreenBud
01-17-11, 10:13
oh, is it a flame i need to expect on every thread, mate? eww, not eighteen kiddos, please.was that a freudian slip? are you 18?


someone link to him my intel of cambodia, few pages ago, please. i don't have time for kid flamers.what is your writing stye? if it's an exaggeration style, then my apologies and ignore my replies to your post. but it seems that you want other people to believe all your numbers and exaggeration. as another poster wrote, it is better to have no info then incorrect info.

do you have any facts? all you write is "trust me". i know a few jokes on that; lol!


how can you seriously talk about "crackdown is over"?

right now, on 2011, like i wrote on an other section, police is planning to arrest sexy girls on motorbyke. it's going to be and end, soon, and completely, the prostitution in cambodia. crackdown is over. what was open in 2009 that is currently closed? (except for shops moving)

come on! lol! no one on this board knows what's going to happen in 2011; even the people in charge don't know; it depends on the political situation.

prostitution is a major part of the economy; rich people will lose money if they stop it.


st63 was close to barang, not khmer, on 2010, expecially rich, trust me.during the crackdown, street 63 brothels and others were closed to all.

rich khmers do not go to shack brothels. i have never seen a lexus out in front. my moto-driver goes there. during the crackdown, it was closed to barangs and transport drivers (transport drivers are good sources of info only if you have used them previously, and they know that they can't scam you). how do you know it was open? you know rich khmers who like to do $5 shags?

on a side note, the $5 shag for locals is different from the $10 price for barangs. the locals are expected to quickly finish.


never try to hang around far (a few) from the center? u will see, like saigon, a lot of sexy superb viets hanging around on motorbyke going to fuck khmer customers on hotel or house. don't waste your time, they speak viet and khmer, either the driver. you can ask one, the price is 50-100$ (real price. 5-10$ for khmer). high quality, obiouvsly (performance from discrete to middle-high)there is no moto-bike scene like the old days of saigon's district 1. pimps or moto-dope drivers will drive girls to your hotel. i've seen a male pimp and couple fls around their moto-bikes parked at the park or on the street.

yes, i have been all around phnom penh, away from the center. please tell us where they ride around constantly waiting around to be picked up; something that i have never read or heard about.


like a not so lucky aussie i met in sihanoukville, arrested after 5 meters from the pusher with his little bag. i heard the pusher speaking khmer on the phone, he was calling a policeman, his friend. he gave to him 20 bucks for call. no he wasn't a policeman, just a motherfucker, typical meeting in cambodia.seems like a bogus story. slightly more believable if it was opium and not weed.

so do you speak khmer or does the aussie speaks khmer? anyway, it's not as bad as before, but it would be a death wish for that poor drug pusher if he did that in the open. do you understand how it works in cambodia? money is still power in cambodia. in angeles, i would be scared to get into an argument with a trike driver; in cambodia, i am not scare of any tuk-tuk driver or any other poor person (i am not talking about that pyscho who comes at you with a knife).


no, never said you're ignorant or blind. just lucky. bad days, happens. spies and police are waiting the best moment, for catch the regulars. asking as much as possible. after, will be a daily tip. beware.police are not waiting to shake down the tourist for weed. how did you hear about this? none of the stoner ex-pats i've met have heard about this. daily tip? lol! you pay one bribe. never heard of this in any country, any bribe, or any offense. normally the tourist will leave the country.


just a tip. 90% of foreigners hanging around in cambodia are spy or related to ngos, the purpose is arrest you.

most of their tips, lead you to jail or troubles. what are you talking about! 90% lol! there are so many sex-pats living in cambodia. even the people that work there won't care.

how can you get in trouble if you ask for ideas in getting legal pussy? are you skitzo paranoid in believing that they'll point you to a brothel with dubious aged girls; i doubt that will happen. if that occurs, walk away from the viewing room.

are you talking about getting 5 year olds? if so, then even the sex-pats will want to kick your ass!


note: i'm not saying that cambodia is all that great and fantastic. some/many people will not like it. it is still a third world shit-hole. many streets are dirty; many beggers/sellers are still around and annoy you; people still overcharge/scam you. traffic is getting worst. crime level isn't as safe as vietnam, but it isn't that bad as the philippines; you still need to be careful since barangs are a target with their few dollars in their pocket.

prices have gone up. talent is marginal, but still not that bad; you can still find decent gems (you can go to the high class places and pay a lot of money for the guaranteed cute talent). maybe they stopped the fresh talent coming in from vietnam. barangs (and now some middle-class locals) are being arrested for **** activities; so you need to be careful; when in doubt, pass!

but if you do "legal" stuff and are willing to negotiate and pay between $10-$100 and accept the good with the bad, then it isn't that bad.

Camboblowshooter
01-17-11, 14:16
the vitriool thrown on this cambodia board between members is very regrettable. it will help nobody.

street 63, the stretch between streets 214 and 178, you will find about a dozen brothels 10 bucks to fuck if you are in for this, just open your eyes and you will see these places, especially look for doors open only 70/80 centimeter.

want to for less then 10 bucks, no need to go outside town, just follow the riverside up to the japanese bridge, on your left hand side of the road you will find half a dozen.

but why? not safe and not much quality to be found, so.

all massage places from the old days still closed and will never open again, but. these girls have to be somewhere. so, be adventurous, be courageous and discover. go out, go into any massage place you like and find out what you will get. in a) you just get a massage, and then suddenly in be) you get all you can dream for.

be adventurous. be careful but don't be afraid.

the area around the american embassy, or what phnom, careful! in the last days i saw plenty! of **** hookers there, plenty! definately ****. watch out! better stay away. many coppers there! in that; broader area; many more sw, also ladyboys (now presenting themselves on the back of motos).

and of course you still have the freelancer places sharky, martini, walkabout ect. many more are there.

plenty of hostess bars around, plenty.

prices today? st 10/15, lt 20/30 for the freelancers, expect higher demand for money from the hostesses.

massage places away from tourist area around 2/4 dollars, and if they are in to give you more then just the ordinary massage, remember the prices above and you will be fine. 10 bucks goes a long strech in cambodia, where abject poverty is the order of the day for many. so be gracious. but don't overpay.

and please, fellow members, stop the vitriool, lets be gracious to eachother, lets help one another.

TrickyTrevor
01-17-11, 20:50
The vitriool thrown on this Cambodia board between members is very regrettable. It will help nobody.Interesting reading. Certainly the more measured, optimistic posts were what I suspected and expierienced on my previous couple of visits to PP.

Call me dull, but I don't mind doing my sniffing around in the well known freelance places (Martini, Sharkeys, Walkabout) or hostess bars on the 136 or 104 strip. Whilst I don't want to be ripped off, I can afford to pay more than $10 and be happy in the knowledge I'm not doing anything illegal or unduly risky.

Does anyone have any particular favorites when it comes to the hostess bars?

Good luck to you all.

Lenience
01-18-11, 00:00
Interesting reading. Certainly the more measured, optimistic posts were what I suspected and expierienced on my previous couple of visits to PP.

Call me dull, but I don't mind doing my sniffing around in the well known freelance places (Martini, Sharkeys, Walkabout) or hostess bars on the 136 or 104 strip. Whilst I don't want to be ripped off, I can afford to pay more than $10 and be happy in the knowledge I'm not doing anything illegal or unduly risky.

Does anyone have any particular favorites when it comes to the hostess bars?

Good luck to you all. Barbados on 130 is a great little place for high quality. $10 BF, no pressure for lady drinks, but seated massaging with small tips in mind.

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Freezone
01-20-11, 02:12
So be gracious. But don't overpay.

And please, fellow members, stop the vitriool, lets be gracious to eachother, lets help one another. Agree, and very good advice (and good informative post to add).

Wish everyone will heed your advice and post info and good as yours.

Cheers and beers.

FZ

AfAsia
01-20-11, 18:36
Appreciations to you Jackson!

The "fumigation" was necessary on several threads. Hopefully now, in future we read some positive feedback on charming Phnom Penh. LOL. Thumbs up!

Shivachandra
01-22-11, 17:38
You were damn lucky they didn't try to steal anything from you in the room. The last time I visited a brothel in this area they tried to steal everything in my pants.

FZIt was my first time in Cambodia and before the trip I read (may be too many) bad stories of stolen wallets / stolen cameras / phones / etc. So every day at any hour of the day I had with me only a photocopy of passport, max. 30$ (in a inside-pocket) , my phone and some thousands in local currency. Anyway I didn't see any dangerous situation

Wendella
01-23-11, 11:58
It was my first time in Cambodia and before the trip I read (may be too many) bad stories of stolen wallets / stolen cameras / phones / etc. So every day at any hour of the day I had with me only a photocopy of passport, max. 30$ (in a inside-pocket) , my phone and some thousands in local currency. Anyway I didn't see any dangerous situationThat's how danger works: you never see it. Until you see it. I went to PP a bunch of times with no incidents at all, not even close. Then one day I got taken to a massage place and was in the middle of getting my "massage" when I glanced up at the door to see a hand reach in and grab my trousers off the hook they were hanging on. I yelled out (the hand disappeared quickly without taking the trousers) and ran outside immediately. So even though nothing has happened to you, better remain vigilant and heed warnings posted here. I've heard some very nasty stories about friends of friends. The dangers are real. But as long as you're cautious, not more dangerous than big cities in our own countries. But I don't take my laptop to places like Phnom Penh where I'd be out of my room with no way to certainly protect it.

Lenience
01-25-11, 03:05
But as long as you're cautious, not more dangerous than big cities in our own countries. But I don't take my laptop to places like Phnom Penh where I'd be out of my room with no way to certainly protect it.Depending on how much you need your laptop on your trip, you can always get a "Kensington" laptop lock and cable and loop it through some heavy furniture. Not foolproof -- only a fool thief would take the trouble to break the lock or be seen dragging a desk through the lobby.

Ppfrequentv
01-25-11, 05:42
snooky was dead, not one hoe, seriously. and the local cambodian bar server told me that the party on the beach ends at 12, not like before until sunrise. the king wants cambo to be a replica of thai. so. snooky was ghost beach town full of half-naked frenchman walking around in speedos pretending its the riveria. sad. i met some expats who live in pataya who were just chillin in snooky and they told me that snooky is dead too, not like before. so things have changed.last time i was there things were normal (1 month ago). never cared much for the victory bars (i prefer fls) but freedom had the usual girls. at around 10-11pm all the girls seem to go to utopia where there is usually a good party atmosphere although a lot of (judgmental) backpackers as well. ater that (round 12-1) they're off to dolphin bar or the lvm disco. that is roughlyy the fl-route. outside that route, things can seem dead. i agree on that.

anyway. i'm going tomorrow again for a short stop and will report on shv

Mealticket
01-25-11, 11:36
snooky was deadtell me something i haven't known for 7 years.

"full of half-naked frenchman walking around in speedos"

this is the most frightening thing i gave ever read.

Wendella
01-25-11, 16:55
snooky is dead too, not like before. So things have changed.What do you mean "too". You already said Snooky was dead in your post. Was that a mistake, and you meant to write the name of a second place that's also dead? Or did you really mean Snooky that last time as well?

AdHome01
01-26-11, 17:15
What do you mean "too". You already said Snooky was dead in your post. Was that a mistake, and you meant to write the name of a second place that's also dead? Or did you really mean Snooky that last time as well?I believe he's saying that the expats he met also agreed that Snookys was dead.

TrickyTrevor
01-26-11, 23:33
I have just realised that some of my visit to PP will be during the Cambodian New Year (April 14, 15, 16). I'm around from the 11th. 21st. Can anybody inform me what the implications are then over this period (and immediately before and after) as far as: 1) the number of girls who'll be around in the usual hostess bars (such as 136 St etc) ; the FL out of venues such as Walkabout, Martini, Sharkeys etc; the demand for mid-range hotels around the riverside area. I have a fear that all the skirt might go back to the countryside in this period which would be a blow? (Rather than a blow. If you get my drift). Any insights welcome.

GreenBud
01-28-11, 11:42
Last time I was there things were normal (1 month ago). Never cared much for the Victory bars (I prefer FLs) but Freedom had the usual girls. At around 10-11pm all the girls seem to go to Utopia where there is usually a good party atmosphere although a lot of (judgmental) backpackers as well. Ater that (round 12-1) they're off to Dolphin bar or the LVM disco. That is roughlyy the FL-route. Outside that route, things can seem dead. I agree on that.

Anyway. I'm going tomorrow again for a short stop and will report on SHVThat's what I mostly observed last December. Victory Hill will have many hostess bars.

I like Utopia; it has that mixture of freelancers and backpackers; I like that scene.

Never been to Dolphin bar or the LVM disco; I might check those out the next time I'm there.

Are you going to go to the chicken farm at the port (around Biba). I was there several years ago. It was yucky; haven't been back since. I was told Blue Mountan was closed last December; didn't verify.

There's a house / brothel in town; but you need to know where it is; when I went, it was dark; can't remember where it is. Not sure how many there are. You need to negotiate. If you take a transport driver, he will add his commission.

Camboblowshooter
01-28-11, 14:31
I have just realised that some of my visit to PP will be during the Cambodian New Year (April 14, 15, 16). I'm around from the 11th. 21st. Can anybody inform me what the implications are then over this period (and immediately before and after) as far as: 1) the number of girls who'll be around in the usual hostess bars (such as 136 St etc) ; the FL out of venues such as Walkabout, Martini, Sharkeys etc; the demand for mid-range hotels around the riverside area. I have a fear that all the skirt might go back to the countryside in this period which would be a blow? (Rather than a blow. If you get my drift). Any insights welcome.My experience over the last five years is that the town is very very very quiet with Khmer New Year. But you can get laid, not have to worry about that.

Iching
01-29-11, 13:39
Thanks for spilling the beans. Now I hope that a raid will not occur.Is this the '64 street' where pimps creep there hand over the door and steal your money, I would't go to 64 street even if miss world was available.

Wendella
01-30-11, 11:25
Is this the '64 street' where pimps creep there hand over the door and steal your money, I would't go to 64 street even if miss world was available.Yes and no.

No: it's St 63, not 64.

Yes: yes that's where it happens.

Nothing close to Miss World there. These places used to charge just $5 or so, without the phantom hand, and at that price it was worth a look. But these days they charge as much as ones working in Martini, Circee or some other places. So there's no more reason to even try it. And with this scam they pull, it would be pointless now even if they did charge less. One way to look at it: you're paying an extra $10 now for the guy outside to try to steal your pants.

Yellow Bus
01-31-11, 03:28
I read that some old timers have mover from k-12 to Indonesia. Where in Indonesia is good for K-12 prices and laid back fun and excitment? Or can someone direct me to some good reports? Thanks all!

Evianist
01-31-11, 07:57
A couple new clubs have opened up near Flamingo's / Walkabout / Heart of Darkness.

One is called Pontoon and the other is QC (QG?).

Not quite sure why they decided to add more clubs. Even in the high season, it doesn't seem like there are enough customers to support them.

However, if the area gets a little more activity maybe it'll draw some new girls in.

Wendella
01-31-11, 09:43
A couple new clubs have opened up near Flamingo's / Walkabout / Heart of Darkness.

One is called Pontoon and the other is QC (QG?).

Not quite sure why they decided to add more clubs. Even in the high season, it doesn't seem like there are enough customers to support them.

However, if the area gets a little more activity maybe it'll draw some new girls in.

GQ maybe? (after the famous men's magazine)

More likely it would just draw more away from Martini (and Sharky). Same girls just spread out more. Just means they're not all in one place any more. To me, that's worse. It only makes it harder to find the one you're after. Rather than go to Martini, grab a spot and wait for her to pass, now you have to drive all over town from one place to another. And if a place is mixed crowd (as opposed to the working-only crowd at Martini) that makes it yet more difficult to find them. If on the other hand it tends to be a midnight and later spot, it would cut into Heart's crowd, which would be good. But then again, the whole twisted door policy there (let the Khmer gun-toting rich kids with their armed bodyguards in, pat down all the foreigners who have no guns) would probably just shift over to the new places.

Evianist
01-31-11, 11:38
GQ maybe? (after the famous men's magazine)

More likely it would just draw more away from Martini (and Sharky). Same girls just spread out more. Just means they're not all in one place any more. To me, that's worse. It only makes it harder to find the one you're after. Rather than go to Martini, grab a spot and wait for her to pass, now you have to drive all over town from one place to another. And if a place is mixed crowd (as opposed to the working-only crowd at Martini) that makes it yet more difficult to find them. If on the other hand it tends to be a midnight and later spot, it would cut into Heart's crowd, which would be good. But then again, the whole twisted door policy there (let the Khmer gun-toting rich kids with their armed bodyguards in, pat down all the foreigners who have no guns) would probably just shift over to the new places.

They're half a block away from Heart, and the same sort of trendy clubby feel, so I suspect it will mostly dilute some of the late night Heart girls away.

Last night I went into both new places around midnight. GQ had 5 people in it, and Pontoon had about 15. Left both and went to Heart, which was full like usual.

That's why I don't understand why they were built. Just not enough people to support 2 more clubs.

Sharky's was pretty quiet also. Only about 15 girls and maybe 40 guys.

Phnom Penh really needs some new girls. Selection is pretty limited.

Wendella
01-31-11, 13:32
Phnom Penh really needs some new girls. Selection is pretty limited.How about Martini's these days? Decent total numbers?

Evianist
01-31-11, 14:19
How about Martini's these days? Decent total numbers?

Never been there. Heard it's mostly Vietnamese, so I've always avoided it because I'm not a fan.

Maybe I'll check it out tonight.

Wendella
01-31-11, 15:04
Never been there. Heard it's mostly Vietnamese, so I've always avoided it because I'm not a fan.

Maybe I'll check it out tonight. Yeah but if it's 60% Vietnamese and there's 100 girls there.

Seriously, I've had excellent luck finding gorgeous Khmer girls in that place on some of my most recent visits, and when in Cambodia I do prefer to go for Khmers. WHen I was there this time last year, I did a count and there were around 60 girls total there at 10pm-ish.

I expect to see your report on my desk in the morning.

p.s. this is Tet holiday time in Vietnam, so probably a lot of the Vietnamese girls would return home to the Mekong to be with family for a week or 2.

Asianpussylover
01-31-11, 21:13
I read that some old timers have mover from k-12 to Indonesia. Where in Indonesia is good for K-12 prices and laid back fun and excitment? Or can someone direct me to some good reports? Thanks all!Go to Batam. That's 1/2hr hydro ride from Singapore. There are some monger sites about this place. You will find what you want.

Asianpussylover
01-31-11, 21:24
I expect to see your report on my desk in the morning.

I also hope to see your report. Make sure you leave your wallet at the hotel! Don't pay more than $10. Had the best piece of Viet tail in this place at the "hotel". Smile.

Yellow Bus
02-01-11, 03:24
I plan on joining this site, but can some of you guys, pussielover included, recommended some other web sites like this one. Both pay and free sites? Thanks all. Fuck I need to get back to se asia, but I want to go for a long time. I need to find work though. I thought about teaching english but.

Wendella
02-01-11, 09:30
I also hope to see your report. Make sure you leave your wallet at the hotel! Don't pay more than $10. Had the best piece of Viet tail in this place at the "hotel". Smile.Evianist was going to check out Martini. Seems like you are referring to Iching's post?

Evianist
02-01-11, 09:57
Martini:

Well my first mistake was that I got there at 9:00. Deserted. Since it was such a long motorbike ride, I decided to stick around for a while and watch a movie and get some food. Didn't like the table setup. Reminded me of middle school lunch. And if you get a girl you don't want who won't take no for an answer, she'll just sit with you and not leave for 20 minutes. Also didn't like the lack of light. I couldn't see whether the girls were attractive unless they were standing right in front of me.

It picked up around 10:30 and there were probably 40 girls at the peak. Pretty mixed with Cambodian / Vietnamese. All the girls were sitting on the sides and near the pool table. Made it difficult to talk to them unless you went and sat over there too. Saw a few I'm pretty sure were attractive. Saw a couple girls I knew, one who was wearing the same clothes from last night when I saw her at Sharky's and Heart. I guess they don't change if they're going to a different bar.

All in all, it was all right. Probably some good girls if you sit closer to the pool table. A little bit too far away, but worth a trip if you're tired of the other places or you like vietnamese girls.

Ended up back at Heart and within 15 minutes had found the best girl I've ever had in Cambodia. She was so good I'm going to have to take a night off to recover.


Funny thing she mentioned: Sometimes she goes to a casino with her friend where rich guys go to gamble and occasionally take a girl home. She says it's $100 to take her out from there. But when she goes to Heart it's the regular $20ish. Same girl, vastly different rate just based on where she's hanging out that night.

Mealticket
02-01-11, 10:52
MartiniYou mean you didn't even go into the disco.

That's where the hot midget khmer girls (working up a great sweat) hang.

Ps if there's an ugly girl sitting at your table, find another table.

GreenBud
02-01-11, 15:43
Martini:

Also didn't like the lack of light. I couldn't see whether the girls were attractive unless they were standing right in front of me.

It picked up around 10:30 and there were probably 40 girls at the peak. Did you check out the disco in the back? It seems a lot of girls like to hang out there and just dance. I like it because it has A / C. But it's even darker in the disco than the outside.

Wendella
02-01-11, 18:46
Ended up back at Heart and within 15 minutes had found the best girl I've ever had in Cambodia. She was so good I'm going to have to take a night off to recover.

Funny thing she mentioned: Sometimes she goes to a casino with her friend where rich guys go to gamble and occasionally take a girl home. She says it's $100 to take her out from there. But when she goes to Heart it's the regular $20ish. Same girl, vastly different rate just based on where she's hanging out that night. When I was there last year, their 'circuit' was Martini until around 11. 30, then head to Heart after that. I'd be curious to see this casino at least. If you spot that girl again, could you find out what that casino is?

Evianist
02-01-11, 23:19
Huh, where was the disco?

I saw only the bar in the back.

Shadow6491
02-01-11, 23:46
Huh, where was the disco?

I saw only the bar in the back. Past the pool table on the left and through the two doors. I can't agree on it being such a long way out. Maybe if you were walking. But then I live out by the Russian Market which is another few blocks out.

Member #4698
02-02-11, 04:46
If you walk past the bar on your right, you will find a door on your left that leads to the disco. Walk through that door and you are in another world. It is very dark, almost pitch black inside except for the strobe lights flashing. This allows you to make out the forms of girls (and guys) dancing in the dark, but it is impossible to get a good look at their faces or even tell who has a good body or what they are wearing. The music is very loud techno stuff and conversation is not possible. The AC is cranked up on high. When I was there, a little after midnight the place was packed. I lasted around 5 minutes before I escaped to the outside bar area. It was not my kind of place. If I were 18 to 20 and a well off Khmer guy, I would probably dig it.

GreenBud
02-02-11, 05:27
what that casino is?There is only 1 "real" casino in Phnom Penh; it's Naga. If there is a freelance scene, it's not obvious.

There are several other video casinos in some of the hotels.

Wendella
02-02-11, 08:38
I lasted around 5 minutes before I escaped to the outside bar area. It was not my kind of place. If I were 18 to 20 and a well off Khmer guy, I would probably dig it.Any time I've been there, the "disco" area (it's pretty tiny, not sure why they decided to make it so small when they have all that space) has mainly been lots of girls out on the floor and all us letches sitting and standing around the perimeter trying our best to squint and get a decent look at them while we pretended to casually enjoy drinking our warm can of Anchor. Lighting indeed is quite dim in there, but it's a bit of a game: you have to claim yourself a good spot for viewing, identify some potential prospects. The girls will go in and dance awhile, then head outside, usually within about 2 or 3 songs, or say 15 minutes. They're in, they're out, and so on until someone eventually makes eye contact or approaches them. So you do what any self-respecting mongerer should do, you stalk her. Seriously, when you see her go take a break from the disco-room, just casually make your way outside after she does, but not so casually that you arrive outside to see her finalizing a deal with some other guy. Hot ones get scooped up quickly in the bright part of the place.

So the purpose of that disco area is not to go enjoy dancing. And I can't remember ever seeing any young Khmer guys in there. My guess is that the selection of music is mainly what the DJ imagines foreigners would dig, but since it's mainly the girls out there dancing to it, in this respect he, like us, is mostly...in the dark. ;)

But from my experience going there, it seems as if more or less half the girls at Martini at any given time are inside the disco area, dancing in the dark. If you want to limit yourself to just half the club, that works out better for me.

Gee if Evianist spotted 40 girls OUTSIDE the dance floor room, it means numbers are probably up again there.

Wendella
02-02-11, 09:24
There is only 1 "real" casino in Phnom Penh; it's Naga. If there is a freelance scene, it's not obvious.

There are several other video casinos in some of the hotels. OK so that must be it. I can't imagine rich guys are all heading to mini-casinos in hotel lobbies to play the video slots.

Camboblowshooter
02-02-11, 12:49
Cambodian nationals are by law forbidden to enter Naga Casino. Although for sure you will find some of them there. Like that government official recently who blew quite some cash he stole from the state. Is doing a six year stretch in Prey Sar prison now. So if girls are to be found there then it will be outside the actual casino, in the other spots inside Naga World, but not in the casino itself.

Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.

That is generally my impression of the city, quiet. It all started going downhill with the crackdown, mongers generally apparantly have drawn their conclusion and are avoiding the country like the plague. But it is not that bad, you can still easily, very easily get laid in this country for 10/15 bucks.

Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot. Plus we have reached the situation that foreign bar owners in the; hostess area; believe they can charge people 3 bucks for a beer.

Hotels are getting expensive. 20/30 bucks and more is becoming the norm, but this here is not Bangkok, they seem to forget that. All this is putting people off.

But Cambodia remains a very easy going, relatively safe country, where pussy is readily available, certainly if you can take your time.

TrickyTrevor
02-02-11, 23:48
Cambodian nationals are by law forbidden to enter Naga Casino. Although for sure you will find some of them there. Like that government official recently who blew quite some cash he stole from the state. Is doing a six year stretch in Prey Sar prison now. So if girls are to be found there then it will be outside the actual casino, in the other spots inside Naga World, but not in the casino itself.

Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.

That is generally my impression of the city, quiet. It all started going downhill with the crackdown, mongers generally apparantly have drawn their conclusion and are avoiding the country like the plague. But it is not that bad, you can still easily, very easily get laid in this country for 10/15 bucks.

Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot. Plus we have reached the situation that foreign bar owners in the; hostess area; believe they can charge people 3 bucks for a beer.

Hotels are getting expensive. 20/30 bucks and more is becoming the norm, but this here is not Bangkok, they seem to forget that. All this is putting people off.

But Cambodia remains a very easy going, relatively safe country, where pussy is readily available, certainly if you can take your time. $3 for a beer! Surely not in the 136 or 104 areas? Its been a year since I've been in PP but I'm back in April and not planning to pay that for a beer! I always found Candy Bar reliable. Maybe Miss World doesn't hang out there but, I thought, plenty of nice enough girls and a nice, friendly, relaxed vibe. Any of you fellas got an opinion of what Candy Bar is like now (or will be in April. How long is a piece of string)? If Martini is pretty dead, what are the best FL places do you reckon. On my last visit I just turned up and Walkabout a few times and always got something. To be honest, there won't that many girls there on a couple of the occassions, but there were even less guys!

Also, I realise I'm going to be there over Cambodian New Year. Will there be any skirt available or will they all be back in the village?

Evianist
02-02-11, 23:55
Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Yes it's in the block of buildings directly opposite Heart, but the entrance to Pontoon isn't facing it, it's facing the block that Walkabout is on.

There's also a convenience store that opened up across from Walkabout. And the QG bar (is actually QG, but the G has a cross on the inside of the G. Was worried it was some kind of gay / lesbian thing the first time I walked in). With the new places, the area has a slightly livelier, more friendly feel.


Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.Yes I wouldn't get excited Wendella. It was very quiet. My estimate of 40 was directly at the peak, and may have been generous. A couple of the girls I talked to were lamenting how dead it was, saying customers just aren't coming to Cambodia. Was very sleepy.

Tonight I went to Sharky's and it was even worse. There were probably under 20 girls, and about 40 guys. Needless to say, only about 5 of the girls were unoccupied, and it was for a reason.

I remember being here last March/April and Sharky's being full of girls, so many they didn't have enough chairs and were standing around.


Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot.Definitely. There just aren't that many girls. If there's only 100 in the entire scene that wouldn't surprise me. Tonight I went to Heart and there were roughly 35 girls, and after looking around, I realized I had been with 5 of them and they were watching me like hawks. You can imagine the dirty looks I was getting when some other girls approached me.

DirtyDozen
02-05-11, 18:46
I went to PP in 09 and spent most of my time near riverside. Overall the place is a pit. Just horrible. All of the bars and massage I went to left almost immediately due to lack of quality.

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

The same tout eventually set me up with a good exprience with a really cute Viet girl that I still dream about today. I paid an arm and a leg but that was mostly to ensure my safety.

I may go back but seems a bit risky. The place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment.

KhmerBlue
02-06-11, 10:08
i may go back but seems a bit risky. the place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment.if you think it's the wild west here you should have seen the place seven or even five years ago. cambodia definitely has not the quantity or variety that thailand has. as for quality, it's a place that rewards patience, and so mongers in a hurry are often disappointed.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside.

Camboblowshooter
02-06-11, 17:35
I went to PP in 09 and spent most of my time near riverside. Overall the place is a pit. Just horrible. All of the bars and massage I went to left almost immediately due to lack of quality.

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

The same tout eventually set me up with a good exprience with a really cute Viet girl that I still dream about today. I paid an arm and a leg but that was mostly to ensure my safety.

I may go back but seems a bit risky. The place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment. This comment basically reflects reality here. Yes. However it is not that bad. That said, in my fifties now, I don't mind, but twenty years younger I would not even dream of coming here. For the young, nothing here.

$3 for a beer! Surely not in the 136 or 104 areas?

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I should have been more specific here, TIGER beer. But this is in certain bars in these streets already since 2007/2008. In the meantime many other areas have raised their prices, as did Martini a few months back.

Popped in Martini last Friday around 10 and left 10. 30. Let me first say it was still Tet and also the moment the Walkabout draws its Friday evening Joker, but I have never ever seen Martini like this; there were ten girls and about 25 customers and almost all girls were standing alone, says alot about quality that was inside. It was horrible. Worse then this it can not become.

Pontoon open on its new location, in the Mall opposite the Heart, side Walkabout.

But overall, PP is very very quiet. Disappionting. Have never seen it like this, Tet or not.

TrickyTrevor
02-06-11, 20:00
Have any of you guys been to Pit Stop, on Street 51, since it's just come under new management? The reason I ask is because the guy is doing a blog that is quite interesting to read: http://www.thebodia.com/pitstop/

Western owner so he's talking about how to make the business attractive to punters, get in good girls etc. I hope it takes off and has some nice chicks!

The way half the posts are going on this board, by the time I get to PP in April, things will be so bad that I'll have to stay in my hotel room and have a tug instead of actually been able to find any action!

Sacasable
02-06-11, 21:50
if you think it's the wild west here you should have seen the place seven or even five years ago. cambodia definitely has not the quantity or variety that thailand has. as for quality, it's a place that rewards patience, and so mongers in a hurry are often disappointed.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside.so are there any specific areas in the countryside where its still possible to get some quality boom boom? i have been to cambo a couple of times; the first in 2009 and it was immense, managed to find loads of quality girls and had a great time, i went back last year and was shocked at the crackdown that has taken place! loads of the brothels had been shut down and places like martini's had got a lot more sparse in there selection! even the chicken farm in sihanook was hardly a patch of its former glory.

i want to go for a trip in a few months and any tips of places to visit on or off the beaten track would be good. can't beat a bit of adventure!

Sacasable
02-06-11, 22:30
Does anyone have any recommendations of provinces to visit off the beaten track where it may still be possible to get some good boom boom / yum yum? Pp siem reap and sihanok are not what they used to be! I may be heading back to cambo for a week or so in the next couple of months and would love a little adventure!

DirtyDozen
02-07-11, 14:17
Oh I don't doubt that K11 is still in full force. It's just moved somewhere else. When they find it, it will move again. NGO effort completely wasted.

AlLostInSpace13
02-08-11, 03:47
Hm. Bad news. Just found out the new QG club is "the first gay nightclub in PP".

See for yourself: qgphnompenh dot com.

There goes my plan.

Spaceman

Evianist
02-08-11, 10:35
Hm. Bad news. Just found out the new QG club is "the first gay nightclub in PP".

See for yourself: qgphnompenh dot com.

There goes my plan. They seem to have exactly 0 customers every night, so it might go out of business rather quickly.

Bartchamdo
02-08-11, 16:09
What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

* I had a regular lady for a few weeks, and she told me she lived in a tiny 1 room apartment next to HoD with 4 other girls."Apartment" is probably an exaggeration, since I don't think it had its own bathroom. At least the rent must have been cheap! Probably something like $10 or $20 per girl per month.

One of her room mates was a lady who worked Naga Casino. Her price was $100 per night. My lady asked her about getting in on this action, but was discouraged by her response. She couldn't afford it! The lady has to buy drinks to stay and their drinks are very expensive."You have to spend money to make money," as the saying goes. But if she was making all that money, why was she sharing a little crowded room with 4 other girls?

* I met a Vietnamese working girl at Martini with really good English. She'd obviously been working with tourists a while. I asked her about her views of the various freelancer spots around town and she told me she disliked Walkabout?"Why?" Because all the customers were old men who smoked ganja. Ha! I thought the problem was that all the ladies were on ice. I guess some ladies are as unhappy about the drugs in Walkabout as the guys, but for different reasons.

*One night at Walkabout one of the working girls bought me and my friend a round of beers. That's the first time a prostitute has ever bought me a drink! She was celebrating because she'd made over $100 that day from various tourists. She told me charges $30 or $40 each time. I went with her a few weeks later and paid the usual rate. $15. She knows the tourist rate doesn't apply to locals.

For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.

Evianist
02-08-11, 18:04
What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

* I had a regular lady for a few weeks, and she told me she lived in a tiny 1 room apartment next to HoD with 4 other girls."Apartment" is probably an exaggeration, since I don't think it had its own bathroom. At least the rent must have been cheap! Probably something like $10 or $20 per girl per month.

One of her room mates was a lady who worked Naga Casino. Her price was $100 per night. My lady asked her about getting in on this action, but was discouraged by her response. She couldn't afford it! The lady has to buy drinks to stay and their drinks are very expensive."You have to spend money to make money," as the saying goes. But if she was making all that money, why was she sharing a little crowded room with 4 other girls?

I talked to a girl who lived directly across from Flamingo's alone in a 1 room and was paying $50 / month.

Most SEAsian girls seem to like to share tiny cheap apartments, even if they're making decent money. It's just what they're used to. One girl told me she'd be scared to live in a big apartment alone because of ghosts.


*One night at Walkabout one of the working girls bought me and my friend a round of beers. That's the first time a prostitute has ever bought me a drink! She was celebrating because she'd made over $100 that day from various tourists. She told me charges $30 or $40 each time. I went with her a few weeks later and paid the usual rate. $15. She knows the tourist rate doesn't apply to locals.

For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.

The girls are really trying to push prices up I've found. At least to the $20 / ST level. I've politely declined to give them that. Then if you agree on $20 / LT they'll do the trick where they leave after an hour or two and still want the LT rate. But the most I've ever paid is $30 / LT for a girl who stayed 12 hours and did it 5 times. And she never even mentioned money, I just gave it to her. If they like you and you treat them all right, they don't complain.

Sammon
02-08-11, 18:38
I went to a girl's Apt while ago. I met her at HOD. It was a one bedroom only. It was on a narrow lane of the main road with small houses on either side. I do not know where the shower or the toilet was. She introduced me to her neighbours who were really friendly.

She said she paid $50 / month as rent. She did have a good bed.

This girl was very pretty and she stayed with me for 4 days. I paid her a total of $120 with a some clothes totalling $30. Ofcourse I did take care of all the dinners and even took her to Naga casino. Otherwise she would go and get me cheap home cooked meals for lunch.

She told me she makes almost $500 a month but needs to send part of the money to her home. Rest of the money she saves for a rainy day. She said she can afford a better Apt. But was content living in a one room apt with lots of friendly people around. In her line of business famine will hit soon and fast unless she finds a sponsor. She told me she had a sponsor before.

GreenBud
02-09-11, 05:05
What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

She disliked Walkabout?"Why?" Because all the customers were old men who smoked ganja. I also like to talk to the girls to learn about their life.

You cannot smoke ganja at the Walkabout, at least on the first floor; I've tried. LOL! Maybe you can smoke on the balconey on the second floor.

You cannot smoke at the trendy Cambodian places such as Lounge and Sparks.

You can smoke on the balconey at Sharkeys.

All the staff at Martini will say you cannot smoke ganja. But I've seen people smoke (not often though). The poor working staff there won't want to mess with you.

You can smoke at LeCryee.

At the hostess bars, some will say yes, some will say please smoke outside.


For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.For the tourist, I wouldn't recommend not discussing price. I think it's better to have a little drama at the beginning than a lot of drama at the end.

I've heard some stories about the girl not being happy about the standard rate that the guy gave in the morning. Some girls will always want more.

That being said, it's no "problem" if you do that. The girl will have no recourse, even if you stiff her. This is not the Philippines or Thailand; she cannot call the cops. First of all, the cops won't care; she has to pay the cops to come over; the working girls in Cambodia are treated like shit (it's a shame since the country's economy has expanded on the "backs" of these working girls). Also I wouldn't fear her friends or pimp (of course there could be an exception, but unlikely).

The prices for girls went up when the price of petro went up several years ago. At Martini, the cute girls will ask for at least $20 short time (I pay the full rack rate). How hard is it to get the cute ones (the top 5 at Martini's) to agree to $15? Fairly certain you cannot get the cute ones to agree to $10. You probably can get the older or marginal ones to agree to $10.

Walkabout should have cheaper pricing pressures than Martinis. But then the quality at Martinis is better than Walkabout.

Wendella
02-09-11, 14:26
I One girl told me she'd be scared to live in a big apartment alone because of ghosts.Me too. That's why whenever I'm in Phnom Penh I go out and try to find a girl to bring back to my hotel room. Ghosts.

Titanio
02-09-11, 23:52
I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.Exactly!

I never discuss any money on beforehand. And when they act the trick of leaving their clothes in the bathroom after 1st shower, you already know it will just be an ST. No problem, then I just pay 10$ as my excuse is always hee, I would have paid you 30$ for a whole night with at least 3 pops. So one pop is 10$. They will be confused. Leaving early or no BBBJ are also no bonus points. OK, I add a dollar for motobike taxi. But that is all. And in the end, if these girls get an average of 15$ every other day, that is a lot of riels at the end of the month. Therefore I am not so keen to visit WB or Martini's with all the other tourists and FL's. I always take a hotel in 136 street and have fun in 104 and 108. Or stay in 104 and have fun in 136.

And with mototaxi's exactly the same. You can drive half the city for 2000 riels. Just have them prepared in your pocket and put it in his hand at destination. Confusion all over as they expected a dollar, just walk away but they all will take it. And this is even no problem at all for a firsttime visitor. Know what the habits are, and it saves you a lot of money.

GreenBud
02-10-11, 07:06
And with mototaxi's exactly the same. You can drive half the city for 2000 riels. Just have them prepared in your pocket and put it in his hand at destination. Confusion all over as they expected a dollar, just walk away but they all will take it. And this is even no problem at all for a firsttime visitor. Know what the habits are, and it saves you a lot of money."Confusion all over" - A funny picture.

I wouldn't like the bitching that would occur every single time.

A lot of the moto-dopes from the tourist area or your hotel will refuse to take you if you only offer the local price; some of them wait a long time to gouge the tourist.

Hippie
02-10-11, 09:28
As I have tended to do lately, here are a few comments on various topics:

I no longer am recommending Amari hotel on St. 136 to people. I know one person who had a large amount of money stolen out of a locked drawer, presumably by the housekeeper. I had another friend check out after 2 days due to construction noise.

Yes, Cambodian girls will sometimes call the cops on you if they are pissed off enough at being what they consider seriously underpaid. It does not happen often, but it does happen. Contrary to popular opinion, however, they won't always take the girl's side. If they do, the cops will then split whatever extra money they get out of the customer with the girl.

The number of hostess bar girls who are demanding silly money is steadily increasing. I still pay no more than $15 for ST and $25 for LT, but there are girls now who absolutely won't go for less than $40-$50. Strangely, they are not always the hottest girls, and there are still plenty of really hot ones who will go for the same prices as before. One girl even quoted a friend of mine $100. She quickly came down from that figure, but he just blew her off immediately out of general principle. We even made a point of ridiculing her a bit to her face and in front of the other girls-something I would normally never do, but felt the point needed to be made. Freelancers still seem to be OK with $10-$15 ST, $20-$25 LT.

Martini and Walkabout seem to have higher percentages of Khmer chicks these days, or maybe just fewer Vietnamese.

Pontoon is a very nice bar, from a design standpoint. A bar by this name has been around for years, but it use to be on a floating barge anchored to the riverside around the night market. It has always has a string of freelancers and semi-pros (hookers who are playing the long game) that tended to arrive around 11-12, and the new bar is no different. The working girls arrived in the last half hour before they start charging a cover-which was midnight last Friday. I saw a several hostess bar girls that I knew, and some freelancers who I recognized from Riverhouse. I did not see any of the regular Heart girls. A lot of the customers were middle and up-class Khmers, however, especially when I first arrived around 10PM, so be careful and make sure the girl is really available before you start hitting on her.

D Cups
02-10-11, 16:00
Hi GB,

Nice to see you are still making the rounds. Have you or any other Cambodian mongers seen any busty (slim and stacked) Khmers or Viets in PP? Are there any bars there that feature big boobs? I don't care if they are bolt-ons or not. I'll be looking for a sweetie to take to Angor what and do a lot of boom booming.

Titanio
02-11-11, 00:00
"Confusion all over". A funny picture.

I wouldn't like the bitching that would occur every single time.

A lot of the moto-dopes from the tourist area or your hotel will refuse to take you if you only offer the local price; some of them wait a long time to gouge the tourist. Yes you are right. I never take a moto-dop in front of my hotel duting daytime. Just walk up the street and you will always find loads of moto-dopes. Those waiting in front of your hotel, normally waiting there all day and every day, so they are safe for an arrangement at night. During the day they are way too expensive. Well, to Cambodian standards.

And to make it all clear, during daytime I never negociate a price on beforehand, just ask them where I want to go. I don't have a map or so, I know my way around or just ask if he knows a landmark. If not take the next one.

GreenBud
02-11-11, 05:40
Hi GB, nice to see you are still making the rounds. Have you or any other Cambodian mongers seen any busty (slim and stacked) Khmers or Viets in PP? Are there any bars there that feature big boobs? I don't care if they are bolt-ons or not. I'll be looking for a sweetie to take to Angor what and do a lot of boom booming.That's a pretty tough combo - slim and stacked. Usually, the girls with the large breasts is going to be somewhat fat. Of course there are exceptions.

Generally, Asians don't have large breasts; you probably should stick with Tijuana for large tits.

Generally on the average, Khmers will have larger breasts than the Viets, IMO.

I'm not really a breast man; I haven't been keeping track of large breasted girls. The next time I'm there (in couple of weeks) , I'll keep my eyes (hands) open for them.

Asianpussylover
02-11-11, 11:48
k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside. [/quote]

ok. did you get laid? the reports of pussy being available are still trickling in. though the place is nothing like what is was years ago when the home away from home cafe was there.

i'm defintetly going a hunting :)))

Asianpussylover
02-11-11, 12:06
I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

Hint! Wink.

Asianpussylover
02-11-11, 16:45
Does anyone have any recommendations of provinces to visit off the beaten track where it may still be possible to get some good boom boom / yum yum? Pp siem reap and sihanok are not what they used to be! I may be heading back to cambo for a week or so in the next couple of months and would love a little adventure!Buy a bus ticket to Sisophon. The No Gooders have not been able to crack this place. Has any one had some Khmer Rouge pussy in Pailin?

HenryV
02-12-11, 01:14
Gentlemen:

I am seriously considering my first visit to Camboida. Understanding the fact I must make my own way and do research, could you helf me with some general info:

What is this "crackdown" I read about?

Can someone recommned a good hotel in Phnom Penh with access to general mongering area. I have been told the walkabout is a good place.

It appears the going rate for short time is around $15.

Best overall mongering spots for a newbie.

All info greatly appreciated.

PolyOrchid
02-12-11, 13:14
Can someone recommned a good hotel in Phnom Penh with access to general mongering area. I have been told the walkabout is a good place.I highly recommend Na Na Hotel & Café Restaurant.

Nº.1B2B, Dekcho Damdin (St. 154)

12210 Phnom Penh.

Tel 023 6926 987.

HP 017 373 872.

It's on the corner of 154 and Pasteur, a 5-minute walk from Walkabout, only $20, including breakfast and very clean.

Dinghy
02-12-11, 19:26
Buy a bus ticket to Sisophon. The No Gooders have not been able to crack this place. Has any one had some Khmer Rouge pussy in Pailin?You need to have bug repellent in Pailin. Drug resistant malaria is endemic there

HenryV
02-13-11, 02:29
Is it a safe walk?


I highly recommend Na Na Hotel & Café Restaurant.

Nº.1B2B, Dekcho Damdin (St. 154)

12210 Phnom Penh.

Tel 023 6926 987.

HP 017 373 872.

It's on the corner of 154 and Pasteur, a 5-minute walk from Walkabout, only $20, including breakfast and very clean.

Shadow6491
02-13-11, 10:40
You need to have bug repellent in Pailin. Drug resistant malaria is endemic thereThe chicken farm in Palin was closed down about a year and a half ago.

PolyOrchid
02-13-11, 16:22
Is it a safe walk?Absolutely. PP seemed very safe to me.

I was raised around Chicago, and I've never been anywhere in Asia, or anywhere else in the world, where I felt anywhere near as in danger as I did there. If the thugs don't get you, the coppers will.

Asianpussylover
02-13-11, 23:20
The chicken farm in Palin was closed down about a year and a half ago.From the sihanoukvillegazette. Com:

Police Raid on Chicken Farm.

Last Week end (30th January) the Military Police conducted a raid on a Brothel in a place known locally as "The Chicken Farm." After weeks of surveillance the raid caught a Vietnamese man selling drugs. The man was arrested and charged with Drug Offences for which he received 7 years. The mama san w2as charged with keeping a brothel and she duly paid a fine while the working girls were sent to PP for 'Re-education. A Canadian national was released without charges as the working girl was over the age of consent.

Damn! What's going on with the chicken farms? There goes my $5 shags. Now I will have to shop hard elsewhere.

GreenBud
02-14-11, 07:32
Yes, Cambodian girls will sometimes call the cops on you if they are pissed off enough at being what they consider seriously underpaid. It does not happen often, but it does happen. Contrary to popular opinion, however, they won't always take the girl's side. If they do, the cops will then split whatever extra money they get out of the customer with the girl.Well ya I guess technically the girl can call the cops. The corrupt cop won't care who he takes money from, whether it be from a working girl, a barang, or a local.

Never heard of that, but then no scumbag would admit that his girl called the cops because he stiffed her. I observed 2 incidents.

Funny story: I was at Martinis a few years ago. This girl was a few feet away from this guy. She was constantly yapping at him, saying things like "you no pay me","why you no pay me". The guy just calmly drank his beer. She did that the whole time I was there. I guess that's the "common" recourse the working girl has.

When the locals have a dispute, such as a traffic accident, no one wants to call the cops. They're kind of like lawyers, they're the only ones that win.


I no longer am recommending Amari hotel on St. 136 to people. I know one person who had a large amount of money stolen out of a locked drawer, presumably by the housekeeper.That guy seems foolish for having a large amount of money in a drawer. If it had a lock, it was one of those flimsy ones. If he jerry rigged it with his own cheap lock, those can be picked.

That's one reason why I don't stay at the Amari. They don't have any in-room safes (plus no wi-fi in the room). Why didn't he use the individual safes in the lobby. Those also are very flimsy; it's wooden with cheap locks. But the owner assured me that it was completely safe because the lobby is taped 24 hours a day by CCTV.

Hippie
02-14-11, 10:17
In-room safes are only marginally safer than the other two alternatives mentioned, when the threat is from a hotel staff member. Every hotel has at least one person who knows the master combination and / or has a master key to every safe. These are essential when customers forget their combinations. At the very least the manager on each shift will have it, and with the average Cambodian's laziness and inability to keep secrets, usually several other people do, as well. (I'm really not bashing Cambodia unfairly when I say that, as anyone who has lived and worked here will attest.) Once when staying at a very highly-regarded hotel in Angeles City, I returned to my room at midday to move to a better room that I was switching to that day. I walked into my room to find the security guard and new tenant staring at my opened safe, which contained $3000 in addition to my passport and camera and some prescription medicine. I went ballistic when the receptionist calmly informed me that since the other guest had arrived early, the staff had moved all my belongings for me and she had instructed the security guard to open the safe.

HenryV
02-14-11, 19:12
Any comments on this previous post?


Gentlemen:

I am seriously considering my first visit to Camboida. Understanding the fact I must make my own way and do research, could you helf me with some general info:

What is this "crackdown" I read about?

Can someone recommned a good hotel in Phnom Penh with access to general mongering area. I have been told the walkabout is a good place.

It appears the going rate for short time is around $15.

Best overall mongering spots for a newbie.

All info greatly appreciated.

Shadow6491
02-15-11, 00:00
Well ya I guess technically the girl can call the cops. The corrupt cop won't care who he takes money from, whether it be from a working girl, a barang, or a local.

Never heard of that, but then no scumbag would admit that his girl called the cops because he stiffed her. I observed 2 incidents.

Funny story: I was at Martinis a few years ago. This girl was a few feet away from this guy. She was constantly yapping at him, saying things like "you no pay me","why you no pay me". The guy just calmly drank his beer. She did that the whole time I was there. I guess that's the "common" recourse the working girl has.

When the locals have a dispute, such as a traffic accident, no one wants to call the cops. They're kind of like lawyers, they're the only ones that win.

That guy seems foolish for having a large amount of money in a drawer. If it had a lock, it was one of those flimsy ones. If he jerry rigged it with his own cheap lock, those can be picked.

That's one reason why I don't stay at the Amari. They don't have any in-room safes (plus no wi-fi in the room). Why didn't he use the individual safes in the lobby. Those also are very flimsy; it's wooden with cheap locks. But the owner assured me that it was completely safe because the lobby is taped 24 hours a day by CCTV. Actually this exact scenario with a girl wanting more than she got and her calling the cops has happened and even been reported in the Phnom Phen Post. If I can be bothered I might dig it out and post it for you to have a laugh at.

GreenBud
02-15-11, 05:34
and with the average Cambodian's laziness

(I'm really not bashing Cambodia unfairly when I say that, as anyone who has lived and worked here will attest.) That's somewhat of an understatement, and I don't even live there. LOL!

I've met a lot of people that like the Khmers, and they say something like, "The Cambodians are a sweet loving people, but". They always use the word "but". LOL!

Kuranyi
02-15-11, 12:32
From the sihanoukvillegazette. Com:

Police Raid on Chicken Farm.

Last Week end (30th January) the Military Police conducted a raid on a Brothel in a place known locally as "The Chicken Farm." After weeks of surveillance the raid caught a Vietnamese man selling drugs. The man was arrested and charged with Drug Offences for which he received 7 years. The mama san w2as charged with keeping a brothel and she duly paid a fine while the working girls were sent to PP for 'Re-education. A Canadian national was released without charges as the working girl was over the age of consent.

Damn! What's going on with the chicken farms? There goes my $5 shags. Now I will have to shop hard elsewhere. So sad to hear that the chicken farms and 5$ viet cuties are disappearing all over Cambodia.

Which chicken farm are you speaking of in SHV? The shags on the port or the house in town?

Did the whole business just went underground for cambos only or did they really made it to destroy it?

R. I. P. Cambo sex business.

HenryV
02-15-11, 21:20
Got a pm telling me the Flamingo was a good Hotel situated close to the action. Any comments?

Anyone know of a good hotel close to the action that has a pool.

Also, if I bring an unloced cell phone is the system similar to the Philippines or Thailand, I. E, buy a sim care and time.

Thank you.

Worltravel
02-15-11, 23:39
Got a pm telling me the Flamingo was a good Hotel situated close to the action. Any comments?

Anyone know of a good hotel close to the action that has a pool.

Also, if I bring an unloced cell phone is the system similar to the Philippines or Thailand, I. E, buy a sim care and time.

Thank you. Flamingo is close to some action but doesent have a pool, nowdays they need a I'd on the girl, not many have one.

Evianist
02-16-11, 06:23
Flamingo is close to some action but doesent have a pool, nowdays they need a I'd on the girl, not many have one.When I was there in April 2010 they IDed the girl (which she didn't have).

Stayed there one night two weeks ago and brought 2 girls back and they didn't ID them.

Leftfield1965
02-16-11, 06:46
Hi guys, newbie here.

I was wondering if there's any boardmembers currently living in or visiting Phnom Penh that could help me out tracking down a girl that I met at the Walkabout last week.

I meant to get her phone number on my last night in PP but unfortunately fell ill and didn't make it out that night.

My next visit isn't for another 3 months and given the high turnover rate at the Walkabout it would be a shame if she left the WA before my next trip.

I'd greatly appreciate any help on this matter either on here or via PM.

Cheers guys!

Leftfield1965
02-16-11, 06:57
Got a pm telling me the Flamingo was a good Hotel situated close to the action. Any comments?

Anyone know of a good hotel close to the action that has a pool.

Also, if I bring an unloced cell phone is the system similar to the Philippines or Thailand, I. E, buy a sim care and time.

Thank you.Flamingo's is ok, nothing more, nothing less. I stayed there on my first trip in 2009 and found the rooms a bit tired looking and a bit too expensive for what I got. It is very close to the st 51 action though and it's probably a good hotel for a newcomer to the city.

Sim cards are available as you exit arrivals at PP airport. Can't give you any info on price etc as I have never bought one.

HenryV
02-16-11, 17:28
How about the Walkabout?


Flamingo is close to some action but doesent have a pool, nowdays they need a I'd on the girl, not many have one.

Leftfield1965
02-16-11, 18:46
How about the Walkabout?Do you mean staying there?

If so, from what I've heard the rooms upstairs are pretty bad. Imagine what a forensics team would find if they were let loose on the matrasses in that place.

Blue Tongue Hotel next door is supposed to be pretty nice, same owners as Walkabout, a bit pricey at $35

A night.

I was talking to an American bloke last week who recommended a new place on St 154, think it might be that Na Na place that someone else posted about a few posts down.

HenryV
02-17-11, 00:15
Must I get a visa or tourist card for Cambodia at the airport?

Freezone
02-17-11, 00:54
Must I get a visa or tourist card for Cambodia at the airport?The answer is usually yes, unless you are from a handful of countries exempt from needing a cambo visa for entry.

Freezone
02-17-11, 00:56
So sad to hear that the chicken farms and 5$ viet cuties are disappearing all over Cambodia.

Which chicken farm are you speaking of in SHV? The shags on the port or the house in town?

Did the whole business just went underground for cambos only or did they really made it to destroy it?

R. I. P. Cambo sex business. (When they talk about the chicken farm in Snooky, it is referring to the one at the port.

AfAsia
02-17-11, 02:10
How about the Walkabout?Henry,

Depends what you after, girl wise. Yes, the Walkabout is in the heart of the action, no pool however, practictly next door to Flamingo which is just around the corner. The Walkabout is a positive For someone such as myself. I believe some mongers are very dismissive of it, the reports on Phnom Penh and Cambodia, in general, are very negative unfortunatly. Do not read much into this.

I yearn for a return trip to Cambo, so little time, money is not the issue. Cambo is very definately what you make of it. Being positive in nature, I had a wonderful time in Cambo, the chicks, so sweet, being the highlite.

Swimming pools Are hard to come by, there is one, not sure where, perhaps I should have noted it some time back, as I am a keen fish. Excellent manner of keeping fit instead of pushing iron.

Visa Is issued upon arrival. However, I would check with your particular countrie`s Foreign Office for affirmation.

Sim card Should not be a problem if your phone functions in Thailand. Cannot recall if I bought in Cambo, however.

Walkabout, by the way, may appear somewhat run down, do not be put off by this. Very cheap, at some $15. $19 per room, depending on choice and availabilty. The lovely bar with friendly staff and patriots will make you feel at home in short time. The girls are simply lovely little sweethearts, very approachable, or perhaps more often than not, they will make the first move. Again, a few mongers are dismissive of the chicks there. It is bizaare, they mention the Walkabout scornfully, and it`s patriots, but are assed enough, they mention it. They appear unhappy. LOL.

Big thumbs up

However. This new typo function is very a big negative, unfortunately. Some wierd mis-corrections.

Shadow6491
02-17-11, 02:12
Hi guys, newbie here.

I was wondering if there's any boardmembers currently living in or visiting Phnom Penh that could help me out tracking down a girl that I met at the Walkabout last week.

I meant to get her phone number on my last night in PP but unfortunately fell ill and didn't make it out that night.

My next visit isn't for another 3 months and given the high turnover rate at the Walkabout it would be a shame if she left the WA before my next trip.

I'd greatly appreciate any help on this matter either on here or via PM.

Cheers guys! Well you can't receive PM's so.

Happy to get you in contact with her if you can help me with a description beyond that she is about 4ft 6 inches tall black hair and brown skin. Really I am happy to help if I can, a photo would work best as she may have used a different name with you than I know her by.

Leftfield1965
02-17-11, 04:33
Well you can't receive PM's so.

Happy to get you in contact with her if you can help me with a description beyond that she is about 4ft 6 inches tall black hair and brown skin. Really I am happy to help if I can, a photo would work best as she may have used a different name with you than I know her by.Shadow,

Only been on here for a short while, so haven't quite worked the functions out yet.

It'd be great if you could help me out, beers will be on me next time I'm in town.

Discription wise this should be quite easy as she's not the standard Khmer midget (no offence to Khmer midgets BTW, I'm quite partial to them).

Her name's Aria. 37, from Snooky originally. She told me she's been in PP for a month (yeah I know) , I'd never seen her before on any of my previous trips so I'm willing to take her word for it.

Looks wise, she has a Khmer mum and a Nepalese dad which make her rather exotic looking, slightly Indian or even Middle Eastern, might have even mentioned that she's Muslim, although I might be mistaken about that. About 5 ft 7 tall, big eyes, lovely smile, has a 10 year old son, been married twice (one Khmer, one Polish guy). She's usually at the WA at night from 10 pm onwards when I was in town last week.

Don't have a picture unfortunately.

I hope that this might be sufficient info, cause frankly, it's all I've got LOL.

Cheers for the help mate!

Bartchamdo
02-17-11, 16:02
Flamingo's is ok, nothing more, nothing less. I stayed there on my first trip in 2009 and found the rooms a bit tired looking and a bit too expensive for what I got.I agree with this opinion. Flamingo's is not that great of an option. It's an obvious choice because it's well known and has a good location, but I didn't have a good visit back in 2009. I didn't enjoy hearing street noise til 3am and then waking up at 8am due to construction noise. I also didn't appreciate the harassment from the over-priced tuk tuks and motos that camp out directly in front of the place.

There are dozens of other hotels in town that are a better deal. Lone Star, for instance, is only a couple blocks away. It has nicer rooms that are a little cheaper with wi-fi and a tasty free breakfast. I have never stayed there, so I don't know if it's girl friendly. But since most hotels are, I suspect it is too.

HenryV
02-18-11, 17:28
Do you have an e mail address for them?

Thank you.


I agree with this opinion. Flamingo's is not that great of an option. It's an obvious choice because it's well known and has a good location, but I didn't have a good visit back in 2009. I didn't enjoy hearing street noise til 3am and then waking up at 8am due to construction noise. I also didn't appreciate the harassment from the over-priced tuk tuks and motos that camp out directly in front of the place.

There are dozens of other hotels in town that are a better deal. Lone Star, for instance, is only a couple blocks away. It has nicer rooms that are a little cheaper with wi-fi and a tasty free breakfast. I have never stayed there, so I don't know if it's girl friendly. But since most hotels are, I suspect it is too.

Wendella
02-19-11, 10:28
Do you mean staying there?

If so, from what I've heard the rooms upstairs are pretty bad. Imagine what a forensics team would find if they were let loose on the matrasses in that place. CSI: Phnom Penh. That sure would be an interesting show. I'd watch. Just the idea of cops there doing actual police work I guess would make it science fiction.


Blue Tongue Hotel next door is supposed to be pretty nice, same owners as Walkabout, a bit pricey at $35So what's next door to that one, the D.O.A. Hotel? The Rigor Mortis Resort?

Anyway, if it was me going the first time, I wouldn't aim to be near "the action" but rather near "the food". So either on (or within at least a quick walk of) the riverfront. Being there would put you also within walking distance of what must be the 2 best spots these days, St 104 and St 136, both right near the riverfront too. But you are going to be hungry 3 times per day. Do you want to have to motorbike to the riverfront 3 times daily? There's very limited food options in the Flamingo area. There's overwhelming options near the river.

Staying in the FLamingo / Walkabout area only puts you close to Heart of Darkness (only interesting after 12) and Walkabout (trust me, not interesting) or the massage shops on, for example, St 63, which are not exactly what I'd call interesting in a mainstream sense. Definitely an acquired taste, if that. (or you might say they're just nasty).

My gut feeling is that Flamingo got to be as popular as it is mainly due to a lot of online marketing in places like this. Basically managers of the place plugging the place often in these kinds of forums every day for years. The place isn't anything special, and its location is actually inconvenient unless you're really into Heart and Walkabout, a couple places I'd peg as 2nd tier at best. Martini is a good deal better than both those places, and I wouldn't even recommend staying near Martini either.

As for pool. The hotels with pools usually aren't GF. (if anyone does have info about one, do share!) There is a decent pool at Phnom Penh Sports Club on south side of town (short walk from Russian market). Perhaps someone here can help out with actual address. That place was fine. And cheap. For the price, it had a surprisingly upscale feel to it. I checked out some of the pools at the big hotels, and they were all amazingly tiny and just bad in one way or another. The sport club pool was the best I found. Billabong's is really nice but they don't' let day visitors in and the place is strictly non-GF.

Leftfield1965
02-19-11, 12:24
Different strokes for different folks regarding the Walkabout.

I like the idea that there is a place where one can pick up 24/7. It's a good place to hang out in the afternoons before the other bars open, enjoy a beer or a coffee and play some pool with the girls.

Agreed, the quality of freelancers isn't always to write home about but I've managed to pick up a few little gems from there. A lot is down to luck, some weeks the place looks like Battersea dog kennel, other times the talent is actually pretty good. One thing that does [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off about the place though. Is anyone ever going to change the f*king playlist in that joint?

About the hotels, If you're going to barhop on the Riverside it's best to find a hotel there, it'll save you some coin in transport. If Pasteur is more your area there's plenty of cheap accommodation round there too. I'd never stay at Flamingo's again though, once was enough.

Dinghy
02-19-11, 19:44
The chicken farm in Palin was closed down about a year and a half ago.Not the point. It's the MALARIA. If you are out and about USE BUG REPELLENT.

The MALARIA is DRUG RESISTANT! All along the border areas. It's endemic

Dinghy
02-19-11, 19:46
Is blue tongue what used to be chip lay? $35? Ridiculous unless they went VERY upscale with wi-fi included (and that's unlikely given the area)

My last stay at WA was 2 years ago - sort of difficult to get around but the security in the lock box station downstairs was nice - particularly if you bring your own lock. WA stairs are "difficult" and the rooms tend to smell a bit musty, but the price was right.

Easton
02-20-11, 02:35
that's one reason why i don't stay at the amari. they don't have any in-room safes (plus no wi-fi in the room). why didn't he use the individual safes in the lobby. those also are very flimsy; it's wooden with cheap locks. but the owner assured me that it was completely safe because the lobby is taped 24 hours a day by cctv.i use the wooden drawers in the lobby, but place everything in a currency bag that locks. i do this even with rooms that have safes in them.

you can get wifi in your room at amari if you buy a clicknet card in the lobby. $5 for 5 hours or $10 for 10 hours. good signal and the fastest speed i have ever gotten anywhere in cambodia.

GreenBud
02-20-11, 14:21
i use the wooden drawers in the lobby, but place everything in a currency bag that locks. i do this even with rooms that have safes in them.

you can get wifi in your room at amari if you buy a clicknet card in the lobby. $5 for 5 hours or $10 for 10 hours. good signal and the fastest speed i have ever gotten anywhere in cambodia. never fully understood the purpose of the currency bag. the entire bag can be taken, or the locks can be picked.

i would bring my own scotch tape, put my stuff in a plastic or paper bag, sign it, and tape it up (just like what the front desk would do if you give it to them to put it in their safe). the bag can also be taken, but you would know if someone opened it up.

that being said, i've never had a problem with losing things from my safe, whether from my room or the lobby.

$10 for 10 hours; ouch! that's almost as much as the inside room ($15).

the main reason why i don't stay at the amari anymore is because i found a better hotel. the golden house across the street. a better room for $20 (if you get the discount) with in-room safe and wi-fi. but the wi-fi isn't that fast.

Easton
02-20-11, 21:13
Never fully understood the purpose of the currency bag. The entire bag can be taken, or the locks can be picked.

I would bring my own scotch tape, put my stuff in a plastic or paper bag, sign it, and tape it up (just like what the front desk would do if you give it to them to put it in their safe). The bag can also be taken, but you would know if someone opened it up.

The main reason why I don't stay at the Amari anymore is because I found a better hotel. The Golden House across the street. A better room for $20 (if you get the discount) with in-room safe and wi-fi. But the wi-fi isn't that fast. Exactly the same with the currency bag, they can still take the bag but they cannot help themselves to anything in it without your knowing. It provides some insurance.

I thought The Golden House was not a girl friendly hotel since the Christian nuts are constantly going in and out of there. FYI, some of them are covertly taking pictures of bars and the people in them, I have witnessed this first hand.

Fast Eddie 48
02-20-11, 23:43
Never fully understood the purpose of the currency bag. The entire bag can be taken, or the locks can be picked.

I would bring my own scotch tape, put my stuff in a plastic or paper bag, sign it, and tape it up (just like what the front desk would do if you give it to them to put it in their safe). The bag can also be taken, but you would know if someone opened it up.

That being said, I've never had a problem with losing things from my safe, whether from my room or the lobby.

$10 for 10 hours; ouch! That's almost as much as the inside room ($15).

The main reason why I don't stay at the Amari anymore is because I found a better hotel. The Golden House across the street. A better room for $20 (if you get the discount) with in-room safe and wi-fi. But the wi-fi isn't that fast.To green bud

I agree if you thief want to steal your money he will find a way to do it, I have a friend have his hotel room key stolen the key have the room # on it, the thief got into the room take the whole safe and his luggage and just walk out of the room, most hotel safe is not bolted down in China and the hotel made him paid for the safe and the thief was never caught even the local police said they know the thief from the security camera.

Fast Eddie 48

GreenBud
02-21-11, 07:00
I thought The Golden House was not a girl friendly hotel since the Christian nuts are constantly going in and out of there.Are we talking about the same Golden House Hotel (http://www.goldenhouse.asia/hm/)?

The hotel across the Candy bar, right in the heart of Street 136?

For image purposes, Christians wouldn't stay there.

The hotel was GF last month.


FYI, some of them are covertly taking pictures of bars and the people in them, I have witnessed this first hand.

They're not doing a good "covert" job if you saw them.

There's no problem if you stick with legal girls.

If it occurred, they probably weren't a Christian group. Most likely a news media like Dateline doing a Cambodian sex expose for the Nielsen rating sweeps month.

I've had my image taken in the go-go bars by sex tourists taking pictures/video of the action. I don't like it. But then I've also done it. Mostly in Angeles. Many bars there will allow you to take pictures, even though there's a sign saying you can't.

Wendella
02-21-11, 11:23
Exactly the same with the currency bag, they can still take the bag but they cannot help themselves to anything in it without your knowing. It provides some insurance.

I thought The Golden House was not a girl friendly hotel since the Christian nuts are constantly going in and out of there. FYI, some of them are covertly taking pictures of bars and the people in them, I have witnessed this first hand. Are you sure it wasn't just some horndog trying to sneak shots of the place for his own enjoyment? Maybe not, just a thought.

I once saw a foreigner video crew doing B-roll shots of St 104, and this after I had just strolled the whole length of it to come face to face with the camera. Excellent. Coming to a theater near you, Wendella the Pervert. My guess is that it was for some kind of documentary or news story.

John Traveller
02-21-11, 18:00
From reading recents posts on Cambodia it seemes that the scene for mongering here isn't good anymore.

Should I not try and instead go earlier than planned to Thailand and get more time there.

I am going to be here for a few days anyway, too see the sights in PP, Siem Reap and Sianokville.

I would appriciate any advices on this.

Easton
02-22-11, 01:29
I have personally sat at the Candy Bar and Nordic House and watched these people come and go from the Golden House all day and night. I have also seen them snap pictures while walking or sitting down (they look one way and take pictures the other way). I personally do not like my picture taken without my consent especially when I am with a young Asian female (legal of course).

H*

p://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/asia/101222/cambodia-evangelicals-sex-trade-prostitution

TrickyTrevor
02-22-11, 05:34
Interesting reading the information on here about hotels in the riverside area. Can't quite get my head around these apparent Christian fundamentalists using Golden House as a base. What exactly are thy doing? Trying to convert the girls away from prostitution; trying to convert / shame the guys away from having girls or attempting to give gods punishment to us nice guys?

What do people know about the girl friendliness of some of the more upmarket hotels around the riverside? For example the Bouganvillier or the Quay? As far as a pool goes, hasn't it been mentioned previously that the Castle is girl friendly?

And lastly, what do people reckon about checking into Candy Bar for ease of getting on with the job. I am going to arrive (in April) on a flight from Europe at 9 am. Therefore should be in town at about 10 am. I have this idea of turning up at Candy Bar and booking a room. I'll be as toey as so I'll get some action with whatever is available in the bar at that early time for a ST. Then sleep off some jetlag, wake up and do the same again. Some internal logic don't you agree?

Wendella
02-22-11, 08:07
I have personally sat at the Candy Bar and Nordic House and watched these people come and go from the Golden House all day and night. I have also seen them snap pictures while walking or sitting down (they look one way and take pictures the other way). I personally do not like my picture taken without my consent especially when I am with a young Asian female (legal of course).

H*

p://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/asia/101222/cambodia-evangelicals-sex-trade-prostitutionMaybe you could demonstrate your Sonny Corleone maneuver for them. .

Wendella
02-22-11, 08:12
From reading recents posts on Cambodia it seemes that the scene for mongering here isn't good anymore.

Should I not try and instead go earlier than planned to Thailand and get more time there.

I am going to be here for a few days anyway, too see the sights in PP, Siem Reap and Sianokville.

I would apprieciate any advices on this. Hm, Cambodia or Thailand. Difficult choice. .

Dude. If you take a few days in Phnom Penh, you'll be asking yourself "What was I thinking?" every day you're there after the first night out. If your aim for those few days is to not be tempted and abtain, then Cambodia could be the way to go.

John Traveller
02-22-11, 16:48
I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.

Details: I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136. Most of them had only a small selection and few of girs I would call pretty. Also they were way too pushy, high pressure for staying and unwanted attention too, and some seemed annoyed of me just looking inside and then leaving. There were some exceptions though, a few of the bars had some interesting ladies, I think the best one was 69, although my memory may be wrong here. At the time it was happy hour (1 or 2 $) , but that goes only for a few types of drinks. I asked what the bf was: a girl said 7 you$. Question: what more then to pay later at the hotel room? (for one hour? For whole nite?)

On street 104 I looked into some of the bars, even fewer girls here, and even more pressure too stay, but I smiled my ways out. This night I was only researching. There were a few nice girls in the these bars, but it is necessary to take time to look around.

Are there more area for girlie bars than these two blocks? (the first blocks from the river on each of these streets). It seemed that 136 is a bit more upmarket, better and safer than 104. Is this correct? Another question: the girls in these bars are so-called registered, not freelancers? Making them safer? (in several regards.)

Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars? PS: possible to buy sildenafil otc in Cambodia?

I also asked at Hotel Golden House on 136. Price is 25-50 $. Gf-friendly. (I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.).

Thats all, sorry for asking mostly questions, but I will come back with reports when I have something to report (I go to Siem Reap tomorrow, but will be back in PP on a few days).

Dragonfly22
02-22-11, 20:07
[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1126123]I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

I too stumbled upon 69bar and found it very nice. Girls were friendly but not too pushy. Mamma was also very pleasant. Would deffinately go back. Didn't do take away as I had one waiting for me later that night from DIA.

GreenBud
02-22-11, 20:15
Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.Most people would agree. But Cambodia has the better prices for girls and hotels.


I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136.

I think the best one was 69I agree.


Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars?There are massage fishbowls in some of the hotels. Example: The Paris Hotel has one. Cost is $5 or $6 for one hour; massage is lousy. The girl will ask the Barang $30 for extras; you probably can get it down to $20; not sure if you can get it down lower. Girls usually don't speak much English; it's more of a local scene. IMO, the quality was decent; similar to Bar 69.

Not sure of the cost of the hostess bars. Many of the girls will probably ask for a lot initially; can you get them for $20 plus barfine for short time? I just normally drink beers at the hostess bars. Maybe somebody else will answer that question.


I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.The hotel is GF, but a "Yes" in Cambodia can mean many things. It can mean yes, or I don't understand your question so yes, or no but I don't want any conflict so yes.

Wendella
02-23-11, 06:02
Most people would agree. But Cambodia has the better prices for girls and hotels.Yeah but. Cambodia definitely can not be considered a destination worth visiting to check out what's on offer, if that's your reason for going. Philippines has way more, and could still be worth the flight, but of course Thailand blows both away. I guess if your top priority was not spending much, then maybe. But you'd need a serious case of denial to be able to imagine you have good choices compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. If I walk into one good gogo in Bangkok, I'll see way more hot girls up on the stage in a first glance then I would going to places all over Phnom Penh for a week. And that's just one bar.

GreenBud
02-23-11, 06:45
But you'd need a serious case of denial to be able to imagine you have good choices compared to Pattaya or Bangkok. If I walk into one good gogo in Bangkok, I'll see way more hot girls up on the stage in a first glance then I would going to places all over Phnom Penh for a week. And that's just one bar.I love Pattaya! I like to go to a nice go-go bar, have a beer, and look at all the naked girls. I also like Angeles.

You definitely have a larger selection of girls in those places.

But all you need is 5. I've never had more than 5 girls in my room.

The price for 4 or 5 girls from Martinis will be similar to 1 girl from a Bangkok go-go bar.

Soulmanx07
02-23-11, 08:17
I love Pattaya! I like to go to a nice go-go bar, have a beer, and look at all the naked girls. I also like Angeles.

You definitely have a larger selection of girls in those places.

But all you need is 5. I've never had more than 5 girls in my room.

The price for 4 or 5 girls from Martinis will be similar to 1 girl from a Bangkok go-go bar. I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers!

Leftfield1965
02-23-11, 08:28
I went strolling on the waterfront in PP this evening around 8 o'clock.

Looking into the girlie bars: I was not impressed. My Philippime abstinence did not go away.

Details: I was into all of the bars on the first block of street 136. Most of them had only a small selection and few of girs I would call pretty. Also they were way too pushy, high pressure for staying and unwanted attention too, and some seemed annoyed of me just looking inside and then leaving. There were some exceptions though, a few of the bars had some interesting ladies, I think the best one was 69, although my memory may be wrong here. At the time it was happy hour (1 or 2 $) , but that goes only for a few types of drinks. I asked what the bf was: a girl said 7 you$. Question: what more then to pay later at the hotel room? (for one hour? For whole nite?)

On street 104 I looked into some of the bars, even fewer girls here, and even more pressure too stay, but I smiled my ways out. This night I was only researching. There were a few nice girls in the these bars, but it is necessary to take time to look around.

Are there more area for girlie bars than these two blocks? (the first blocks from the river on each of these streets). It seemed that 136 is a bit more upmarket, better and safer than 104. Is this correct? Another question: the girls in these bars are so-called registered, not freelancers? Making them safer? (in several regards.)

Last question: which areas for massage+? Am I right to assume that massage parlours are cheaper, and also lower quality compared to the bars? PS: possible to buy sildenafil otc in Cambodia?

I also asked at Hotel Golden House on 136. Price is 25-50 $. Gf-friendly. (I had to ask 3 times before the receptionist understood my question.).

Thats all, sorry for asking mostly questions, but I will come back with reports when I have something to report (I go to Siem Reap tomorrow, but will be back in PP on a few days). Personally I never pay more than $ 20 shorttime/$30 longtime. Of course the girls will start of higher, and who can blame them. How good are your haggling skills? Do note that not all girls will go with customers, some are only there to make some $ from ladydrinks. Best to find out what the deal is asap before to much is spent on drinks.

Apart from the 2 areas you talked about there's St 51, the older mongering area. There you'll find Walkabout (freelancers) , Shanghai Bar / Black Cat (Hostess girls) , Heart of Darkness (freelance disco). Sharkys (freelancers) is on St 130. Martini's (freelancers) is a bit further out of town on St 95. Le Cyrcee, PP's last remaining BJ bar can be found on St 49 just around the corner from Sharkys.

Regarding safety, always wear a hat and lock your valuables away, common sense. In 7 trips I've never had anything stolen.

Apart from the Paris Hotel there's also the Sakura Hotel on St 242. Massage $ 7 an hour. The girls will start at $ 40/50 but you can get them down to $ 20. Quality and performances are ok, don't expect a GFE. These massage places are ok to kill a bit of time on a boring afternoon.

Leftfield1965
02-23-11, 08:41
I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! Rubbish info mate.

I've tried a few 3 somes in PP and have paid 20x2 short time / 30x2 long time, never more than that.

However, the ones that I tried didn't offer me the lesbian experience. I get the feeling Khmer girls are not really into muff diving. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Phil Istine
02-23-11, 10:34
streets 104 and 136 are similar, best bars are 69, 104, candy, rose.

other bars rep001tered about, st 108 golden vine and two others.

dv8 off riverside with metro on the corner.

black cat on st 51 and that strange bar that shuts at midnight with more cultured hostesses north on 51 before one gets to the russian bvld.

big banana on 136 west of norodom near the st 49 corner which is the lcc street.

lcc is not a blowjob bar, but girls are guaranteed performers.

another bar down st 144.

several bars on st 5, one back from the river as one walks from 136 to 104.

i don't think that phnom penh is a waste of time at all, considerably cheaper than pattaya.

the girls in the go gos there are beautiful and demanding, in pp one does not have to buy lady drinks at all.

and the go go girls are so expensive and i despise those tatoos, why ruin a beautiful body?

most khmer working girls are not real professionals unlike their thai cousins.

i meet guys at the beach all the time who have bought a girl down from pp and the girls are nice and enjoy being out of the bar.

Evianist
02-23-11, 11:22
I've had a 3some twice here.

First time paid $20 to each for somewhere between a ST and a LT. Second time paid $10 to each because it was under an hour (they weren't happy with $10).

The girls didn't get into each other at all. It was more like taking turns. One of the girls fell asleep when I was boinking the other one. I put the active girl on top of the sleeping girl and continued, but she still didn't wake up.

GreenBud
02-23-11, 14:48
I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! It will be about normal price to get the girls to do the lesbian stuff.

You need to ask the girls to see who will do that stuff. Anywhere with working girls, just ask. You eventually will find some. But I hate to keep on asking. I don't think you will have any luck on St 63.

Best chance will be at Le Crycee. Some people wrote they didn't like the quality. Many are of low quality, but few are decent, IMO.

I've also gotten girls at Martini. It seems many of the Vietnamese won't do it. You need to ask, but the problem is that they don't understand much English, so you may have to use hand gestures. But many should understand if you say "Yum Yum Lady?" I find it embarassing to use hand gestures. Best way if you're shy is to get a girl that you already know, and then let her ask.


However, the ones that I tried didn't offer me the lesbian experience. I get the feeling Khmer girls are not really into muff diving. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.Yes that's correct. But IMO most girls of all nationalities don't like it. They just want the money. LOL!

Luludinky
02-24-11, 05:50
I was told by another poster that a 3 or 4some in Cambodia would cost me a few hundred dollars, and not to bother because the girls wouldn't want to do it etc etc. Have you had experience with more than one girl in Cambodia. Love to hear some facts as I think I was told a bit of crap to be honest.

Cheers! If you are really into that, the best way is to ask the girl to bring along a friend. It worked for me quite well.

GreenBud
02-24-11, 06:53
If you are really into that, the best way is to ask the girl to bring along a friend. It worked for me quite well.I did that a few times. The problem is that they usually bring back somebody fat and ugly!

GreenBud
02-24-11, 07:32
a good website to understand cambodia and its culture is www.talesofasia.com. his site has mainly good info on cambodia.

transport info:

bayon magazine has good info on transportation, including buses. you can find the free magazine at shakey's.

the khmer bribe for the traffic police is 5000 riel ($1. 25). illegal offenses are driving without helmet, wrong way on street, no license, no tag, and driving with headlights on during the daytime.

not sure what the barang bribe is. a good guess will be $2 or $2. 5. if you get stopped, don't be foolish and pay $5. remember to not get angry, and just smile and talk calmly. getting angry does not help (that dumb asian thing about losing face). does anyone know how easy it is to pay the local bribe amount?

there's sometimes a police trap on street 136; that street is one way. if you drive up from the riverside, that is illegal.

there's also a police trap on the street from golden sands hotel to the beach in sihanoukville; that street is one way. why the hell do they have all those one way streets in sihanoukvile when there is never any traffic; tia!

it seems the main money maker for the traffic police is the checkpoints in the main blvds where they get drivers not wearing helmets. funny: you will see young locals speed away from the checkpoints; the traffic police don't grab or chase them. the traffic police are more like meter maids. they don't grab them because if they fall and die, their parents (if they are rich) can file and charge them criminally. the young sons of the people that live in the big houses behind the paris hotel brag how they fought with the police.

this is cambodia: it's illegal to drive a moto-bike without a helmet, but it's legal for your young child to carry a newborn in the front, all without a helmet. it's illegal to drive with your headlights on during the daytime, but it's okay not to have it on during the night.

tuk tuk prices:

it seems local prices is 5000 riel ($1. 25) for normal trips. it will be $2 for a 5 kilometer trip from the market loaded with groceries.

of course they want more from the barangs, but they want $2 for normal trips.

examples: from street 136, they jump at the $2 fare to sharkeys. but that's a short trip. you can get it for $1. 50 or less. for a longer trip to martinis, when you say $2, they will counter with a higher price. they will say yes as you start to walk away.

driver recommendation for a car:

i would recommend bun va if you need a car and driver in phnom penh. he's honest and doesn't take commissions. i've been using him since the early 2000s.

his rates are $30 for a 8 hour day and $35 for a 12 hour day. add $5 if you want to go outside the city such as the killing fields. he has a 1992 landcruiser.

interesting story: i was on pub street in siem reap once; i was talking to a moto-dope driver; i mentioned that my driver doesn't take commissions; he said there is no such thing in cambodia; he is half way right. hard to find an honest driver in cambodia. i posted his contact info in the classified ads thread. you can also pm me.

note: some other poster recommended him several years ago. then he got e-mails asking him info on ****d girls. he doesn't do **** stuff! he has too much to lose. only contact him if you're interested in legal fun.

golden house on street 136:

there are 4 types of rooms (rack rates are $25, $30, $35, $45). it might be harder to get the $5 discount; the place is getting more crowded; they might try to offer you a free $5 breakfast. i get the $5 discount because i'm an "old" customer.

the manager/clerk chuckled and said no when i asked if there were christians groups there. but many ngo groups stay there. obviously some of the ngos are christians. that's what the other poster probably saw. ngos get a bad rap on this forum (besides the russians and koreans). many ngos are cool people; some of them (probably not too many though) also like to drink and monger. most ngo groups are into other activites besides the sex industry. they don't care about the mongers; they just probably want to take pictures and show it to their friends. only a few are aggressive.

sick example of a bad ngo: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011022146895/national-news/court-gives-dutch-man-18-months.html

wow! only 10 months for doing all those **** boys for years. i wonder how much that cost him.

interesting fact about ganja: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010121645425/national-news/police-destroy-preah-vihear-marijuana-farm.html

only a warning for 92 plants.

Soulmanx07
02-24-11, 09:05
Thanks for the info guys. I had an idea that I had been fed bum info!

100 plants planted for their personal consumption? Hahaha

John Traveller
02-25-11, 10:49
Thanks for the info on PP.

What places to go for Vietnamese girls in PP?

GreenBud
02-25-11, 12:15
What places to go for Vietnamese girls in PP?2 places I know of is Street 63 and Martinis.

Many Viet girls at Martinis will not know much Englsih, but there are a few older mamasan types (not pimps but takes a commission) that will show you girls and translate. But at least one of them will lie in the translation to get the deal sealed; she assumes the guy will not stiff the girl; she's correct.

Freezone
02-26-11, 00:54
a good website to understand cambodia and its culture is.

www.talesofasia.com.

his site has mainly good info on cambodia.

transport info:

bayon magazine has good info on transportation, including buses. you can find the free magazine at shakey's.

the khmer bribe for the traffic police is 5000 riel ($1. 25). illegal offenses are driving without helmet, wrong way on street, no license, no tag, and driving with headlights on during the daytime.

not sure what the barang bribe is. a good guess will be $2 or $2. 5. if you get stopped, don't be foolish and pay $5. remember to not get angry, and just smile and talk calmly. getting angry does not help (that dumb asian thing about losing face). does anyone know how easy it is to pay the local bribe amount?

there's sometimes a police trap on street 136; that street is one way. if you drive up from the riverside, that is illegal.

there's also a police trap on the street from golden sands hotel to the beach in sihanoukville; that street is one way. why the hell do they have all those one way streets in sihanoukvile when there is never any traffic; tia!

it seems the main money maker for the traffic police is the checkpoints in the main blvds where they get drivers not wearing helmets. funny: you will see young locals speed away from the checkpoints; the traffic police don't grab or chase them. the traffic police are more like meter maids. they don't grab them because if they fall and die, their parents (if they are rich) can file and charge them criminally. the young sons of the people that live in the big houses behind the paris hotel brag how they fought with the police.

this is cambodia: it's illegal to drive a moto-bike without a helmet, but it's legal for your young child to carry a newborn in the front, all without a helmet. it's illegal to drive with your headlights on during the daytime, but it's okay not to have it on during the night.

tuk tuk prices:

it seems local prices is 5000 riel ($1. 25) for normal trips. it will be $2 for a 5 kilometer trip from the market loaded with groceries.

of course they want more from the barangs, but they want $2 for normal trips.

examples: from street 136, they jump at the $2 fare to sharkeys. but that's a short trip. you can get it for $1. 50 or less. for a longer trip to martinis, when you say $2, they will counter with a higher price. they will say yes as you start to walk away.

driver recommendation for a car:

i would recommend bun va if you need a car and driver in phnom penh. he's honest and doesn't take commissions. i've been using him since the early 2000s.

his rates are $30 for a 8 hour day and $35 for a 12 hour day. add $5 if you want to go outside the city such as the killing fields. he has a 1992 landcruiser.

interesting story: i was on pub street in siem reap once; i was talking to a moto-dope driver; i mentioned that my driver doesn't take commissions; he said there is no such thing in cambodia; he is half way right. hard to find an honest driver in cambodia. i posted his contact info in the classified ads thread. you can also pm me.

note: some other poster recommended him several years ago. then he got e-mails asking him info on ****d girls. he doesn't do **** stuff! he has too much to lose. only contact him if you're interested in legal fun.

golden house on street 136:

there are 4 types of rooms (rack rates are $25, $30, $35, $45). it might be harder to get the $5 discount; the place is getting more crowded; they might try to offer you a free $5 breakfast. i get the $5 discount because i'm an "old" customer.

the manager / clerk chuckled and said no when i asked if there were christians groups there. but many ngo groups stay there. obviously some of the ngos are christians. that's what the other poster probably saw. ngos get a bad rap on this forum (besides the russians and koreans). many ngos are cool people; some of them (probably not too many though) also like to drink and monger. most ngo groups are into other activites besides the sex industry. they don't care about the mongers; they just probably want to take pictures and show it to their friends. only a few are aggressive.

sick example of a bad ngo:

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2011022146895/national-news/court-gives-dutch-man-18-months.html

wow! only 10 months for doing all those **** boys for years. i wonder how much that cost him.

interesting fact about ganja:

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010121645425/national-news/police-destroy-preah-vihear-marijuana-farm.html

only a warning for 92 plants. thanks greenbud on the latest prices and info.

i have not been back to snooky for over 3 years now ever since they had the motorental ban on foreigners, now require to obtain an actual cambo license. i hated taking the motodops in snooky as they were all quoting outrageous prices. also with the downfall of my favorite blue mt houses it was no longer worth venturing to.

guess this year might be a good time to go back to snooky for a visit.

fz

John Traveller
02-26-11, 12:59
I went to the bar "69" on street 136 yesterday. Arriving at 10 the place was pretty full of people and smoke. I should have arrived earlier I thoght, when I was here a few days ago at 8 the place was almost empty. I was escorted to the one available place at the bar, ordered a beer, and there next to me stood a girl (8 points, early 20s of age). She was eager to talk to me but seemed somewhat shy. Now, at first I wasnt totally satiesfied with this situation, since I prefer to have a bit time and look around when I enter a place. (The rule: avoid upwalkers.) But most of the girls in t bar were already busy anyway, also this girl seemed nice. So I chatted har up. This turned out to be a good decision. First I asked her if she would come with me and how much. She replied yes and 40. Then I bought her a drink and we talked and touched a bit, I said told har 30 $ would be ok for me, she said ok. So I paid the bf 7$ and drinks 7 (?) , and we went to my hotel. We showered in turns ant went to bed, it turned out that she was terrific in bed and very passionate, a great experience. DFK and DDFK but no BJ. (is this forbidden in Cambodia?) In the bar we didn't specify ST or LT (see my post on Siem Reap on this choice). So I only thought: lets see. It turnd out to be VLT. I will not bore you bwith the details here, but at one time I did run out of condoms. But she had also. She stayed until nafternoon the next day, and seemed that she didn't like to leave at all. I decided to give her 40 instead of 30 (but she didn't ask for anything).

Yes, Cambodian girls are different. Conclusion: I can recommend the bar 69.

Evianist
02-26-11, 17:26
It turnd out to be VLT. I will not bore you bwith the details here, but at one time I did run out of condoms. But she had also. She stayed until nafternoon the next day, and seemed that she didn't like to leave at all. I decided to give her 40 instead of 30 (but she didn't ask for anything).

Yes, Cambodian girls are different. Conclusion: I can recommend the bar 69. Yes happens to me maybe half the time with Cambodian girls that I need to kick them out the next day. Sometimes it's that they're trying to score a boyfriend, and sometimes it's that they want to get paid for another night with you rather than having to find a new customer.

HenryV
02-26-11, 19:21
Any problem bring a girl back to the room?


Flamingo's is ok, nothing more, nothing less. I stayed there on my first trip in 2009 and found the rooms a bit tired looking and a bit too expensive for what I got. It is very close to the st 51 action though and it's probably a good hotel for a newcomer to the city.

Sim cards are available as you exit arrivals at PP airport. Can't give you any info on price etc as I have never bought one.

HenryV
02-26-11, 19:25
What bars at the Riverside would you recommend?


Different strokes for different folks regarding the Walkabout.

I like the idea that there is a place where one can pick up 24/7. It's a good place to hang out in the afternoons before the other bars open, enjoy a beer or a coffee and play some pool with the girls.

Agreed, the quality of freelancers isn't always to write home about but I've managed to pick up a few little gems from there. A lot is down to luck, some weeks the place looks like Battersea dog kennel, other times the talent is actually pretty good. One thing that does [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off about the place though. Is anyone ever going to change the f*king playlist in that joint?

About the hotels, If you're going to barhop on the Riverside it's best to find a hotel there, it'll save you some coin in transport. If Pasteur is more your area there's plenty of cheap accommodation round there too. I'd never stay at Flamingo's again though, once was enough.

GreenBud
02-27-11, 06:00
DFK and DDFK but no BJ. (is this forbidden in Cambodia?) In the bar we didn't specify ST or LTYou need to ask all those questions in the bar for your "full satisfaction". My guest is that a majority of the girls should be willing to do BJs.

Phantomtiger2
02-27-11, 23:25
You need to ask all those questions in the bar for your "full satisfaction". My guest is that a majority of the girls should be willing to do BJs.Can confirm that most do, but how well they do it is a whole another question.

PT

Phantomtiger2
02-27-11, 23:29
Any problem bring a girl back to the room?Have not been back to Flamingo in several years but last time I stayed, no problem with bringing in a guest, just make sure to book a double and you should have no problems.

Only problem I ever had with bringing gals back was when I had booked one of the smaller guesthouses run by a small family (actually I think it was part of their house) and just renting rooms out. They didn't allow "unwanted guest" even though I had booked a double.

PT

GreenBud
02-28-11, 06:21
Can confirm that most do, but how well they do it is a whole another question.

PTAnother question is "are you lying?". Sometimes it's a yes in the bar, but No in the hotel room (mainly for lesbian or CIM).

HenryV
02-28-11, 17:20
Whats the word for BBBJ?

God, I hope this is not a problem, already paid for my flight and booked the hotel.


You need to ask all those questions in the bar for your "full satisfaction". My guest is that a majority of the girls should be willing to do BJs.

Shadow6491
02-28-11, 23:22
Another question is "are you lying?". Sometimes it's a yes in the bar, but No in the hotel room (mainly for lesbian or CIM).The are you lying problem can be easily avoided by asking the girls to do a pinky swear. Of course you don't actually "ask them" but hold up your pinky finger in a hooked fashion and ask them "sure" if they eagerly enter into the pinky swear no problems if they refuse they are lying.

Pinche Gringo
03-01-11, 04:54
I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.

TrickyTrevor
03-01-11, 08:29
I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.Odd that. On the three occasions that I was in in PP I was never with a woman (Khmer or Viet) who didn't give BJs.

Snow Man
03-02-11, 05:05
Absolutely no problem having blowjob given in Cambodia. I've been in Cambodia the for a couple of weeks the last 4 years and is in fact in Phnom Penh now, and all girls I've been with have more or less given BBBJ without even beeing asked for it.

Bumholes1
03-02-11, 13:29
I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.One visit to Cambodia. 2 Khmer girls and 2 blowjobs.

Phil Istine
03-02-11, 15:35
Most khmers not keen on BJs, unlike viets.

Yum yum is the slang for BJ or otherwise-si gdaw bahn dtey?

I always try to find their preferences before leaving the bar, but one can be caught out with liars.

HenryV
03-02-11, 17:10
What is the significance of the "pinky swear."

Again, anyone have any recommendations regarding Riverfront bars.

Also, I like to gamble somewhat, any suggestions on a Casino?

Thank you.


The are you lying problem can be easily avoided by asking the girls to do a pinky swear. Of course you don't actually "ask them" but hold up your pinky finger in a hooked fashion and ask them "sure" if they eagerly enter into the pinky swear no problems if they refuse they are lying.

Shadow6491
03-03-11, 00:10
There are lots of things in Asia that I will never understand or even try to. All I can tell you is it works I don't know why.

Faidenk
03-03-11, 11:03
I have found that the Cambodian ladies do not do BJ's but the Vietnamese ladies do. I have travelled all over Cambodia in the last two years and have found this to be true.I concur with that. Over the past 6 months or so, I ST over 10 girls from the bars at St 136, 105 and a couple of beer promoters from the beer gardens. The majority of them do not do BJs, one of them I remember said 'Ek ek! ', a Cambodian expression the equivalent of 'that's disgusting' or 'that's dirty'. Only one did and that's was I barfined for at least 3 times, and only because I threatened not to barfine her again if she doesn't do that, and only then very reluctantly.

2 months ago, I got to know a FB who works as a supervisor in a disco, a 'good girl' if one can call her that, who I gave $10 every morning for her 'tuk-tuk' home. 26 year old, divorced with no kid (6 years ago) , had a Malaysian boyfriend who has since returned home, she hasn't had sex for about a year. I initiated the oral which was not reciprocated during our maiden bonk session but subsequently and up till today, she has no problem with BBBJ and has since progressed from cleaning me up with a one of those towels served to customers in better F&B establishments, to licking me dry. And yes, I have done her raw (from the 3rd time when I ran out of condoms) , cumming on her abdomen, or ass if doing a doggie. I seriously doubt she'd get pregnant even if I shoot it all in, an old codger like me, but I'm sure would not like to be proven wrong, LOL.

GreenBud
03-03-11, 12:05
There are lots of things in Asia that I will never understand or even try to. All I can tell you is it works I don't know why.The pinky swear is similar to "swear to god" or "on my mother's grave / soul".

I never tried that. It seems like a good idea.

Evianist
03-03-11, 13:48
Pinky swears aren't just an asian thing. I remember using them a lot as a kid in the US.

Fast Eddie 48
03-04-11, 00:00
I concur with that. Over the past 6 months or so, I ST over 10 girls from the bars at St 136, 105 and a couple of beer promoters from the beer gardens. The majority of them do not do BJs, one of them I remember said 'Ek ek! ', a Cambodian expression the equivalent of 'that's disgusting' or 'that's dirty'. Only one did and that's was I barfined for at least 3 times, and only because I threatened not to barfine her again if she doesn't do that, and only then very reluctantly.

2 months ago, I got to know a FB who works as a supervisor in a disco, a 'good girl' if one can call her that, who I gave $10 every morning for her 'tuk-tuk' home. 26 year old, divorced with no kid (6 years ago) , had a Malaysian boyfriend who has since returned home, she hasn't had sex for about a year. I initiated the oral which was not reciprocated during our maiden bonk session but subsequently and up till today, she has no problem with BBBJ and has since progressed from cleaning me up with a one of those towels served to customers in better F&B establishments, to licking me dry. And yes, I have done her raw (from the 3rd time when I ran out of condoms) , cumming on her abdomen, or ass if doing a doggie. I seriously doubt she'd get pregnant even if I shoot it all in, an old codger like me, but I'm sure would not like to be proven wrong, LOL.To Fandenk

Most viet girl that are new to the game work at the brothel at st 136 don't know how to BJ, if you want BBBJ go get your girl in the bar or night club, so you should ask up front what is on the menu I also pick up a girl from a disco for all night and find out she don't want to do BBBJ but I ask her at the disco she said yes.

Fast Eddie 48

HenryV
03-04-11, 17:10
Again, this is my first trip to Cambodia so please indulge me.

Can you name a few bars "at St 136, 105" you might recomend. How about the Riverfront.

Also, I will be staying at the Flamingo, is it safe to walk to the bars area bars, e. G, Walkabout, Heart of Darkness, etc?

Thank you.


I concur with that. Over the past 6 months or so, I ST over 10 girls from the bars at St 136, 105 and a couple of beer promoters from the beer gardens. The majority of them do not do BJs, one of them I remember said 'Ek ek! ', a Cambodian expression the equivalent of 'that's disgusting' or 'that's dirty'. Only one did and that's was I barfined for at least 3 times, and only because I threatened not to barfine her again if she doesn't do that, and only then very reluctantly.

2 months ago, I got to know a FB who works as a supervisor in a disco, a 'good girl' if one can call her that, who I gave $10 every morning for her 'tuk-tuk' home. 26 year old, divorced with no kid (6 years ago) , had a Malaysian boyfriend who has since returned home, she hasn't had sex for about a year. I initiated the oral which was not reciprocated during our maiden bonk session but subsequently and up till today, she has no problem with BBBJ and has since progressed from cleaning me up with a one of those towels served to customers in better F&B establishments, to licking me dry. And yes, I have done her raw (from the 3rd time when I ran out of condoms) , cumming on her abdomen, or ass if doing a doggie. I seriously doubt she'd get pregnant even if I shoot it all in, an old codger like me, but I'm sure would not like to be proven wrong, LOL.

Bartchamdo
03-04-11, 19:39
Also, I will be staying at the Flamingo, is it safe to walk to the bars area bars, e. G, Walkabout, Heart of Darkness, etc?It's only a 2 minute walk to either of those places, so you are unlikely to be mugged. However the sidewalks are filled with tables and obstacles from various businesses so you'll have to walk some of the way in the street. The biggest threat is probably being hit by a passing vehicle. And I can absolutely guarantee that you'll be yelled at and harassed by the tuk tuk drivers and moto drivers who want your business. Of course they won't be able to understand why you wouldn't want to pay $0. 50 or $1 to travel a couple hundred meters.

I hope you enjoy your stay at Flamingo more than I enjoyed mine! .

HenryV
03-04-11, 23:44
Thank you for the info.

The tuk tuk drivers should be the least of my worries, been around asia and in some places where the hawking is particularly heavy.

What was the problem with the Flamingo? Can you recommend a good hotel nearby.

Is is safe to walk to the Riverfront from the Flamingo?

Thanks again.


It's only a 2 minute walk to either of those places, so you are unlikely to be mugged. However the sidewalks are filled with tables and obstacles from various businesses so you'll have to walk some of the way in the street. The biggest threat is probably being hit by a passing vehicle. And I can absolutely guarantee that you'll be yelled at and harassed by the tuk tuk drivers and moto drivers who want your business. Of course they won't be able to understand why you wouldn't want to pay $0. 50 or $1 to travel a couple hundred meters.

I hope you enjoy your stay at Flamingo more than I enjoyed mine! .

GreenBud
03-05-11, 11:57
Last Thursday nite at 9:50 PM at Martinis, I counted approx 70 girls (including the ones inside the disco and the girls with guys, but not staff).

Last Friday nite (Sat morning) at 3:00 AM, the crowd at Poontoon (close to Heart of Darkness) was similar to the Heart (mostly barang men and FLs with some local men and white females). Not packed, but somewhat crowded.

Note: Not all girls at the Heart are available (not sure about Poontoon). Funny scene last nite: A drunk guy approached a girl that was dancing with her friend. She said no. He came back, but the girl laughed and screamed and ran away. The security guard had to come and gesture to the guy to calm down.

AfAsia
03-05-11, 12:35
Is is safe to walk to the Riverfront from the Flamingo?I have done so on a number of occasions although admittedly, during daylight. However, beware of some pretty aggressive stray dogs.

Tobias Winter
03-06-11, 03:33
Some places?